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Like I said
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2646533][B]Probably[/B]
[URL]https://www.slickcharts.com/sp500/returns[/URL]
Biden's first year Stock Market return as measured by the industry standard S&P 500 Index was 28.7% (the report on total return including dividends will come later).
That surpasses Trump's first year return of 21.8%.
It surpasses even more Trump's average annual return of 16.8%.
Anybody think Trump's average annual returns were "unfairly" lowered because his disastrous economic decision to lay the groundwork for a deadly viral spread to emerge unmonitored, unprevented and improperly responded to in 2018, lie about its risks, mock the known mitigation measures and discourage any effort to invent or take a vaccine for it from the beginning and thereby create his worldwide economy and market destroying Trump's Pandemic most notably through his final year in office screwed up an otherwise magnificent Stock Market return record, the measure of "economic success" Trump revered most?
Well, you'd be wrong about that.
Trump's 3 year average annual return pre-2020 was even lower than his 4 year average at 16.3%.[/QUOTE]Like I said previously. The rich get richer. The stock market helped the rich far more than the average family. Did not help the poor at all. Yes market is up and the biggest benefactor was Warren Buffett: Biden biggest donor. I like many other wealthy people benefited greatly with Berkshire stock. 1 share of Berkshire A went up $120,000. But I bet most people don't own this stock. But I do and I know Pelosi and Biden own this stock. I bet you don't own this stock. Biden trying to kill oil industry backfired like everyone knew it would and helped double oil prices. I along with other people who had smart financial advisors and money bought oil stocks that went up 30-85 per cent. Stock market was up 17 per cent but leader was oil stocks. The fools scoffed at the oil industry and the smart made millions on the oil industry last year.
But don't brag up Biden too much on the stock market because if he ever does get one of his bad policies in we are going to see a crash. Fortunately he has been to incompetent to implement much.
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[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2646576]Count all the guns those protesters own? How many of those guns were brought to the rally? How many shot anyone? If you want to have an insurrection you do more than break windows and take selfies.
The only person murdered was an unarmed veteran /100 lb white woman, by a black democrat!!
President Donald J Trump G. O. A. T.
The sequel 2024.
And if the oligarchs rig it again, let there be all out civil war!![/QUOTE]Trump and his iInsurrection Mob were responsible for 5 deaths that day and more related deaths soon after. The violent Q-anon nut you mentioned was not "murdered. " She was shot by an American hero after illegally breaking into the area near members of Congress she and the Trump Insurrection Mob behind her were intent upon assassinating. And then only after multiple warnings to withdraw.
Oh, BTW, court documents, video evidence and news coverage show that some of Trump's rioters were armed with guns, many later seized by the police.
This was a mob of idiot Trumpsters intent upon stopping an Electoral College count submission and, if necessary, killing a few cops and elected officials along the way. That is still an Insurrection. They were not prepared and organized enough to represent an anti-America military force capable of running the American government for so much as a single hour.
This time.
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Another coup supporter
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2646576]Count all the guns those protesters own? How many of those guns were brought to the rally? How many shot anyone? If you want to have an insurrection you do more than break windows and take selfies.
The only person murdered was an unarmed veteran /100 lb white woman, by a black democrat!!
President Donald J Trump G. O. A. T.
The sequel 2024.
And if the oligarchs rig it again, let there be all out civil war!![/QUOTE]Thank you for adding to the list of people who support the January 6th coup attempt.
The rioters did do more than break windows and take selfies. They smeared c all over the walls of the Capitol. They stole both personal and Government property. They threatened to hang the Vice President of the US. They illegally attempted to stop the certification of the Electoral College votes. Make no mistake, this was an attempted coup.
The only person killed inside the Capitol that day would not have been killed if she had stayed home. Instead, she forcibly and illegally tried to enter the barricaded Speaker's lobby. I thought Republicans believed that "actions have consequences". Or does that only apply to black people, LGBTQ persons, etc?
G. O. A. T? ROFL. Undoubtedly, though, the G. G. O. A. T. Greatest Grifter Of All Time.
Oligarchs stole the election? How? By having Chinese thermostats change votes? Every one of Donnie's 60+ lawsuits failed. Why? Lack of evidence.
Think about [B]this[/B] for a minute. Here's what the cult believes! Voters can't be trusted. The voting process can't be trusted. Local election officials can't be trusted. County election officials can't be trusted. State election officials can't be trusted. Local judges can't be trusted. State judges can't be trusted. State Supreme Courts can't be trusted. Federal Circuit Court judges can't be trusted. Federal Appellate Court judges can't be trusted. The Supreme Court can't be trusted. The only person who can be trusted is Donald Trump. If you need more than the time it took to read the above to realize how appallingly stupid it sounds, you are part of the problem.
Like I said earlier, if Donnie runs again, he could lose the EC by 538-0 and you cultists will still crown him king.
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Stock Market
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2646533][B]Probably[/B]
[URL]https://www.slickcharts.com/sp500/returns[/URL]
Biden's first year Stock Market return as measured by the industry standard S&P 500 Index was 28.7% (the report on total return including dividends will come later).
That surpasses Trump's first year return of 21.8%.
It surpasses even more Trump's average annual return of 16.8%.
Anybody think Trump's average annual returns were "unfairly" lowered because his disastrous economic decision to lay the groundwork for a deadly viral spread to emerge unmonitored, unprevented and improperly responded to in 2018, lie about its risks, mock the known mitigation measures and discourage any effort to invent or take a vaccine for it from the beginning and thereby create his worldwide economy and market destroying Trump's Pandemic most notably through his final year in office screwed up an otherwise magnificent Stock Market return record, the measure of "economic success" Trump revered most?
Well, you'd be wrong about that.
Trump's 3 year average annual return pre-2020 was even lower than his 4 year average at 16.3%.[/QUOTE]I am a financial advisor for a major firm in San Diego. Our firm does not give any Credit to the current administration for increased market prices. In fact it rarely gives credit for good or bad in the market to any administration. The market increased dramatically in 2017, 2018 and 2029 when Trump reversed a lot of Obama regulations especially for energy industry and financial industry. By end of 2019 China virus hit the world and business stopped in USA and the world. After a bleak 2020 and 3 vaccines hitting consumers in late 2020 it was expected that the market would stabilize and return to the gains made from 2017-2019 and it did. Since the new virus is less deadly than the last the market is stable. No credit is given to current administration. With the BBB virtually non existent now and Biden facing an election year our firm is expecting stable market. Most of my clients are 401 k and retirement funds so last 5 years have been extremely good. Once Biden tried destroying the oil industry we saw an increased opportunity for our clients in oil stocks once the administration drove down production and drove up oil and gas prices. Our average return on the energy side for oil was 68 per cent. For the wealthy and middle class who funded their 401 K to the max 2021 was a good year. It is an election year and the democrats are going to try to jam some socialist program or green program through but we do not expect that to happen. Expect a slight correction in March when feds raise interest rates for first time in years. But with a correction comes opportunities.
Our firm is one of the 3 biggest in USA and we get research weekly. They are not always right and some advisors don't do the research but we have an incredible record.
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[QUOTE=EihTooms;2646595]Every time a Dem / Biden-basher ignores the overwhelming record of positive results for America produced by Dems and now by Biden in particular along with the disastrous results of Repubs and most especially those of Trump, you are proving yourself to be the obedient servant of Mainstream Media[/QUOTE]Since many of them are middle class. No better off than a large number of democrats.
They look like suckers to me.
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Everyone knows
"The fact that you and many so-called conservatives don't care about January 6th is what is really concerning. When was finding out who organized and funded the January 6th assault on our free elections a petty partisan exercise to be disparaged by virtually every elected Congressional Republican?" Come on. "Everyone knows" that it was a false flag operation organized by the FBI. Tucker said so, so it must be true!
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I don't support a coup
[QUOTE=PVMonger;2646745]Thank you for adding to the list of people who support the January 6th coup attempt.
The rioters did do more than break windows and take selfies. They smeared c all over the walls of the Capitol. They stole both personal and Government property. They threatened to hang the Vice President of the US. They illegally attempted to stop the certification of the Electoral College votes. Make no mistake, this was an attempted coup.
The only person killed inside the Capitol that day would not have been killed if she had stayed home. Instead, she forcibly and illegally tried to enter the barricaded Speaker's lobby. I thought Republicans believed that "actions have consequences". Or does that only apply to black people, LGBTQ persons, etc?
G. O. A. T? ROFL. Undoubtedly, though, the G. G. O. A. T. Greatest Grifter Of All Time.
Oligarchs stole the election? How? By having Chinese thermostats change votes? Every one of Donnie's 60+ lawsuits failed. Why? Lack of evidence.[/QUOTE]I support full scale civil war.
Winner takes all!
[URL]https://amgreatness.com/2022/01/04/poll-most-republicans-distrust-the-fbi/[/URL]
[URL]https://amgreatness.com/2021/10/31/how-the-2020-election-was-rigged/[/URL]
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[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2646844]I am a financial advisor for a major firm in San Diego. Our firm does not give any Credit to the current administration for increased market prices. In fact it rarely gives credit for good or bad in the market to any administration. The market increased dramatically in 2017, 2018 and 2029 [/QUOTE]Both Trump and Biden will probably be dead by 2029.
That's probably the year Kamala gets inaugurated.
For her first or second term.
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[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2646844]I am a financial advisor for a major firm in San Diego. Our firm does not give any Credit to the current administration for increased market prices. In fact it rarely gives credit for good or bad in the market to any administration. The market increased dramatically in 2017, 2018 and 2029 when Trump reversed a lot of Obama regulations especially for energy industry and financial industry...[/QUOTE]Good lord, man, then your client is in big trouble, Mr. Advisor.
The broad USA Stock Market as quite accurately represented by the S&P 500 Index was down -4. 38% in 2018. There was a broadly based Bear Market Decline (20%) in December of that year. Did you not notice it? Or remember it?
They are in particular big trouble if you were advising them to invest just as large and enthusiastically during any previous Repub administration as the Dem administrations, which means they have not dodged but ridden every Great Repub Bear Market Crash to the very dead bottom and gained almost nothing but anxiety by the time the next Dem administration came in to recover it.
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[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2646844]I am a financial advisor for a major firm in San Diego. Our firm does not give any Credit to the current administration for increased market prices. In fact it rarely gives credit for good or bad in the market to any administration. The market increased dramatically in 2017, 2018 and 2029 when Trump reversed a lot of Obama regulations especially for energy industry and financial industry. By end of 2019 China virus hit the world and business stopped in USA and the world. After a bleak 2020 and 3 vaccines hitting consumers in late 2020 it was expected that the market would stabilize and return to the gains made from 2017-2019 and it did. Since the new virus is less deadly than the last the market is stable. No credit is given to current administration. With the BBB virtually non existent now and Biden facing an election year our firm is expecting stable market. Most of my clients are 401 k and retirement funds so last 5 years have been extremely good. Once Biden tried destroying the oil industry we saw an increased opportunity for our clients in oil stocks once the administration drove down production and drove up oil and gas prices. Our average return on the energy side for oil was 68 per cent. For the wealthy and middle class who funded their 401 K to the max 2021 was a good year. It is an election year and the democrats are going to try to jam some socialist program or green program through but we do not expect that to happen. Expect a slight correction in March when feds raise interest rates for first time in years. /QUOTE]Really, this post is such a cornucopia of delights, I can't resist another reply. LOL.
Aside from his historic 2018 CDC defunding disaster and his incomparable contributions to creating Trump's Pandemic in the first place, you do remember that Trump's lamebrained policies slammed the USA Manufacturing and Agro sector, right? Gee, we're all happy that he further subsidized the oil and energy sectors. Those poor dears need all the additional subsidies and corporate welfare they can get.
Meanwhile, thanks to his zero gain trade war against China, Trump had to send more Socialist welfare checks to USA Farmers just to keep them afloat:
[B]Administration announces $12 billion in aid to farmers hurt by Trump's trade war.
The president tweeted on Tuesday that "Tariffs are the greatest!" Farmers don't think so.[/B]
July 6, 2018.
[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/administration-offer-billions-aid-farmers-hurt-trump-s-trade-war-n894066[/URL]
And he drove the USA Manufacturing sector directly into Recession:
[B]U.S. Manufacturing 'in a recession', Fed's data show[/B]
July 16,2019.
[URL]https://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-industrial-production-slumps-in-second-quarter-2019-07-16[/URL]
Yep, all pre Trump's Pandemic, Mr. Financial Advisor.
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I think not
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2646992]Good lord, man, then your client is in big trouble, Mr. Advisor.
The broad USA Stock Market as quite accurately represented by the S&P 500 Index was down -4. 38% in 2018. There was a broadly based Bear Market Decline (20%) in December of that year. Did you not notice it? Or remember it?
They are in particular big trouble if you were advising them to invest just as large and enthusiastically during any previous Repub administration as the Dem administrations, which means they have not dodged but ridden every Great Repub Bear Market Crash to the very dead bottom and gained almost nothing but anxiety by the time the next Dem administration came in to recover it.[/QUOTE]Obviously you are uneducated in the financial world and are not involved in it. Dow was just over 18,000 January 2017 and it is now 36000. The market was consistent in 2018 between 23,000 to 27,000 with solid growth. That is about 100 per cent increase. My clients have done really well. They are happy and I get referrals daily. My clients invest for long term wealth. The building of wealth is better with fluctuations in the market. Every correction is an opportunity to buy. Market crashing from Covid actually helped their portfolios because they were able to buy depressed stocks.
Obviously you have no clue on investing and have not capitalized on the market to date. If you are making investments in the market when republicans are in power then you are not participating in the market. If you were one of the stupid ones and I had a few clients like that who sold all their portfolio when Trump became president you lost big time. I had 2 clients who sold everything when Trump became president. $1,500,000 and $2,400,000 portfolios that now would be $3,000,000 and $5,000,000 portfolios.
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Great Report
[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2646844]I am a financial advisor for a major firm in San Diego. Our firm does not give any Credit to the current administration for increased market prices. In fact it rarely gives credit for good or bad in the market to any administration. The market increased dramatically in 2017, 2018 and 2029 when Trump reversed a lot of Obama regulations especially for energy industry and financial industry. By end of 2019 China virus hit the world and business stopped in USA and the world. After a bleak 2020 and 3 vaccines hitting consumers in late 2020 it was expected that the market would stabilize and return to the gains made from 2017-2019 and it did. Since the new virus is less deadly than the last the market is stable. No credit is given to current administration. With the BBB virtually non existent now and Biden facing an election year our firm is expecting stable market. Most of my clients are 401 k and retirement funds so last 5 years have been extremely good. Once Biden tried destroying the oil industry we saw an increased opportunity for our clients in oil stocks once the administration drove down production and drove up oil and gas prices. Our average return on the energy side for oil was 68 per cent. For the wealthy and middle class who funded their 401 K to the max 2021 was a good year. It is an election year and the democrats are going to try to jam some socialist program or green program through but we do not expect that to happen. Expect a slight correction in March when feds raise interest rates for first time in years. But with a correction comes opportunities.
Our firm is one of the 3 biggest in USA and we get research weekly. They are not always right and some advisors don't do the research but we have an incredible record.[/QUOTE]Great report. Pretty much sums up what my financial advisors have told me the last year. I use 2 of the 3 biggest firms in USA with 2/3 in one and 1/3 in the other. Both of them would agree with you totally. I use 2 firms because each firm offers different funds to give me more flexibility. Interesting enough about the market is that until 2007 the markets did a little better under democrat presidency than republican presidents but changed when Obama became president. Markets were stable but stagnant under Obama.
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December ADP Report
Thanks, Joe, Nancy, Chuck and the Dems.
[B]Private job growth totals 807,000 in December, doubling expectations, ADP says[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/05/adp-december-2021.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[QUOTE]Private job growth totaled 807,000 for the month, well ahead of the Dow Jones estimate for 375,000 and the November gain of 505,000 according to ADP.
Hiring was broad-based, though leisure and hospitality led with 246,000 new positions.
Businesses with 500 or more employees accounted for the bulk of the gains in December, adding 389,000 jobs.[/QUOTE]Shhhh. Don't tell Mainstream Media pundits about this. Please.
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[QUOTE=PVMonger;2646544]The only people who don't care about January 6th are the 74+ million fools who voted for the former guy. People like you, Elvis, Cali and a few others. Your comment of "politicians scared for one day" says it all.[/QUOTE]Oh please. The protestors killed no one. There was video of police letting protestors in. The only person killed was a protestor. A cop dies of a stroke and the lamestrain media says for months that the protestors did him in. The most famous guy there, the one with the weird buffalo hat, who sat on Nancy Pelosi's throne was actively talking with a cop in the room.
The FBI did the Russiagate thing which is something you douches still believe is true. Putin fixed the election! What other reason could there be? Then there was Ukrainegate and now the Capitol thing, and all because Trump had the balls to call out the swamp.
So we have fuckers like Fauci in office, highest paid government worker there is, shilling for vaccine / drug companies, and there is this never ending rotation of people from government into the private sector. That is why Loudon county in Virginia is the richest in America, the selling of political influence. The average voter is completely tuned out.
And you make it out like some fringe faction thinks the election was stolen when 47% of Americans including 30% of Democrats think it was. I knew Georgia was going Dems in the senate race after I saw what happened there in the presidential election. It was a no-brainer.
My take on the whole thing was fighting it was a waste of time. No judge even the gutless Supreme Court was going to take this on. They were bashed just for following the law in Florida for GW Bush. And now if you do not watch the videos of police actively assisting protestors, you are delusional. This was every bit as staged as Russiagate was.
It does not matter. Your ilk is determined to not have Trump run for president. You all have done all you can to undermine the Democratic process and to prevent him from serving as president and did all you could so he would not serve again.
You guys think January 6 was worse than 9-11 when no one died on 1-6. WTF? To me, this just shows how the media is tied in with the swamp like it was with all the other BS from the CIA and FBI. Russiagate, Ukrainegate, and 1-6 are all the same to me. As Matt Taibbi said, the Hunter Biden laptop story was not that some sleazeball was pedaling influence for dollars and fucking underage women and doing drugs but for the first time ever, the whole incident was banned from the lamestream media.
Your claim of cultist worship miss the fucking point. None of us are in love with Trump, but he is the only one we trust to at least take a whack at the big tech-media-Democrat-swamp alliance. I even have talked to fellow Republicans who have told me they hope Biden hangs on because the one thing they absolutely do not want more than anything is President Kamala Harris. Given how Biden can seemingly never put together a complete sentence IMO the attacks on him have been mild. We all know the guy is not all there.
So Trump will win in 2024 if nothing else due to the fucking censorship you douches have been advocating. WTF is up with that?
Trump should have had more people watching the ballots and he will next time. There was no cheating in 2020 but this time we are going to make sure there is really no cheating in 2022 and 2024 not that cheating had an effect on the election (cough, cough). So my take on things is Trump lost the election because he saw it could be stolen and did not take enough action to prevent that.
I am not the cultist you think I am and maybe in 2028 you guys can come with a candidate with all his facilities present that I might consider voting for. The only presidential vote I regret in my life was for Dole in 1996 over Clinton. I voted for Obama in 2008 and still would. Quite frankly, the country is at its best when you have two leaders who are super intelligent going at each other. This country had the most prosperity then when Clinton was president and Gingrich ruled Congress.
And now we have fossils like Biden, Pelosi, and Schumer. No wonder our economy has gone to shit. So tell me PV, when have you voted for a Republican?
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Amen
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2647254]Oh please. The protestors killed no one. There was video of police letting protestors in. The only person killed was a protestor. A cop dies of a stroke and the lamestrain media says for months that the protestors did him in. The most famous guy there, the one with the weird buffalo hat, who sat on Nancy Pelosi's throne was actively talking with a cop in the room.
The FBI did the Russiagate thing which is something you douches still believe is true. Putin fixed the election! What other reason could there be? Then there was Ukrainegate and now the Capitol thing, and all because Trump had the balls to call out the swamp.
So we have fuckers like Fauci in office, highest paid government worker there is, shilling for vaccine / drug companies, and there is this never ending rotation of people from government into the private sector. That is why Loudon county in Virginia is the richest in America, the selling of political influence. The average voter is completely tuned out.
And you make it out like some fringe faction thinks the election was stolen when 47% of Americans including 30% of Democrats think it was. I knew Georgia was going Dems in the senate race after I saw what happened there in the presidential election. It was a no-brainer.
My take on the whole thing was fighting it was a waste of time. No judge even the gutless Supreme Court was going to take this on. They were bashed just for following the law in Florida for GW Bush. And now if you do not watch the videos of police actively assisting protestors, you are delusional. This was every bit as staged as Russiagate was.
It does not matter. Your ilk is determined to not have Trump run for president. You all have done all you can to undermine the Democratic process and to prevent him from serving as president and did all you could so he would not serve again.[/QUOTE]Great post but the socialists here don't like the truth.