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[QUOTE=Frank Dallas]
I will end up going to both, but which one first?
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Depends on what day you arrive...thursday is dessous day at Oase, World has theirs on Tuesday. I haven't been to World yet (next trip) but was told Saturday is the day when they have lots of talent and possibly a limited amount of hobbiests, so you'd get the best selection.
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[QUOTE=Dedalus]I pretty much agree with Henio, although I am really partial to the hot World girls at the moment. Still, you can't loose on the Hot Factor at either place.[/QUOTE] Take Dedalus' word for hot girls category. His info is much more recent that mine (I have not been to World for quite a long time).
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Palace, Oase, and World would be on your to do list if you are going to Mainhattan. The RLD has a lot of non Europeans but watch out, unlike the FKKs the RLDs in Germany are ripoffs.
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[QUOTE=Breadman]Depends on what day you arrive...thursday is dessous day at Oase, World has theirs on Tuesday. I haven't been to World yet (next trip) but was told Saturday is the day when they have lots of talent and possibly a limited amount of hobbiests, so you'd get the best selection.[/QUOTE]I get in on Friday and have Saturday blocked out too...I suppose a lot depends on the weather. More and more I am leaning to World because it seems to be the general accord that it is more relaxing?
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Go to Oase Frank Dallas
[QUOTE=Frank Dallas]June 6th! Clear customs! Get sea legs! Get car! Drive to Bad Homburg (with a few stops for some things I gots to do) Check in! Head to. Which one for my cherry breakin. FKK!
Does he head North on the A5? Or East and under the A5?[/QUOTE]
Frank Dallas,
If you are staying in Bad Homburg and itching to get started on FKKs then head to Oase. It is the closests club to your base of operations (I think you know that as you have been google earthing it) and the continually reported line up of gorgoeus girls is a destination objective in itself.
I enjoy good facilities but in the end its the girls I go for. Oase is not well laid out internally (think Rabbit warren inside for the first time visitor), the whirl pool is not hot, there are no fresh bed sheets for the beds when sessioning like at Goldentime or Palace, the downstairs lockers are not well ventilated and sometimes smells and gives the impression that it is not well cleaned.
But saying all that though - I have a lot of my favourite girls there and I get good service (better than what I get at Palace). I like my visuals and the visuals at Oase are stellar.
I have visited World less and maybe I need a more experienced guide to take me through the uncharted waters to change my current opinion.
Goldentime in Bruggen for me has more numerous girls that I like (more so than Oase) and has a different atmosphere. At Oase I tend to do the blondes (much to Radler's lament) but at Goldentime I do both brunettes, dark haired and blonde girls with the emphasis on the blondes as they are my weakness I admit. Somehow the Goldentime line up has the brunettes and dark haired girls that I like the look of.
I found World has a lesser proportions of blondes compared to Oase or Palace with emphasis on dark haired Eastern European girls. At Goldentime there were lots of blondes too. I am only using my anecdoctal memories and not statistics. If one of the guys who produce the girl lists and as well as putting the nationality also included the hair colour we would get more statistically accurate impressions of the girls with hair colour we like.
Then again if you are not fussed by hair colour then every club is going to be excellent.
Kind regards
Londonbasketcase
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World is a great club facility-wise...
[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase]I found World has a lesser proportions of blondes compared to Oase or Palace with emphasis on dark haired Eastern European girls. At Goldentime there were lots of blondes too. I am only using my anecdoctal memories and not statistics. If one of the guys who produce the girl lists and as well as putting the nationality also included the hair colour we would get more statistically accurate impressions of the girls with hair colour we like.[/QUOTE]
... but from my experience lacking in diversity. If you are into Romanians or Bulgarians you will have a great time.
There are almost no German women who work there (which is not a good sign; if one wants to make a list of clubs whose women who have been trafficked, one would start with this one).
This is why its not high on my list as far as clubs to visit are concerned. I don't speak Romanian or Bulgarian and some of these women literally just arrived by bus (or train or plane or whatever).
German professionals, by the way, usually come from Koeln and have French [i]Kunstlernamen[/i] like Michelle or Nicole or Monique.
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German girls from Koln
[QUOTE=Jackyo]
There are almost no German women who work there (which is not a good sign; if one wants to make a list of clubs whose women who have been trafficked, one would start with this one).
German professionals, by the way, usually come from Koeln and have French [i]Kunstlernamen[/i] like Michelle or Nicole or Monique.[/QUOTE]
Jackyo,
Thank you for making this statement. I have had excellent luck with my sessions with German girls. I currently have four regulars that I call my "girlfriends" and three of them are from Koln.
What is in the water in Koln that produces these amazing master race girls that give excellent blowjobs, taking your cock to the hilt in their mouths, sucking and licking your balls so as to make your eyes water? Then they want to fuck you silly and do all the dirty things you like. Two are blonde and one is brunette.
I agree with the name conventions. Very Romantic (read French) as opposed to Germanic in their working names.
I noted the lack of German girls at World. It just felt very East European. Maybe I am biased coming from the West and being bought up during the cold war years (I am showing my older age) that I have suspicions of things Eastern preferring the ease and recognition of fellow Westerners.
Even in London I tend to prefer the English girls (blonde ones) over say Brazilians or Eastern European girls. The English girls do cost a lot more but then they can be more genuine and you get the impression that they are in the game for themselves as opposed to their "bad boyfriend" or their "manager".
I enjoy Oase and Goldentime as having a preponderance of local German girls (I do like my blondes) must mean the working conditions are good since they as locals would know better.
I have to give it to Koln for producing a bevy of blondes for old Londonbasketcase to enjoy.
Kind regards
Londonbasketcase
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Koeln is known for its Karneval...
[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase]Jackyo,
Thank you for making this statement. I have had excellent luck with my sessions with German girls. I currently have four regulars that I call my "girlfriends" and three of them are from Koln.
What is in the water in Koln that produces these amazing master race girls that give excellent blowjobs, taking your cock to the hilt in their mouths, sucking and licking your balls so as to make your eyes water? Then they want to fuck you silly and do all the dirty things you like. Two are blonde and one is brunette.
I agree with the name conventions. Very Romantic (read French) as opposed to Germanic in their working names.
I noted the lack of German girls at World. It just felt very East European. Maybe I am biased coming from the West and being bought up during the cold war years (I am showing my older age) that I have suspicions of things Eastern preferring the ease and recognition of fellow Westerners.
Even in London I tend to prefer the English girls (blonde ones) over say Brazilians or Eastern European girls. The English girls do cost a lot more but then they can be more genuine and you get the impression that they are in the game for themselves as opposed to their "bad boyfriend" or their "manager".
I enjoy Oase and Goldentime as having a preponderance of local German girls (I do like my blondes) must mean the working conditions are good since they as locals would know better.
I have to give it to Koln for producing a bevy of blondes for old Londonbasketcase to enjoy.
Kind regards
Londonbasketcase[/QUOTE]
... and this is what drives its reputation.
Mention Koeln to any Germans and it puts a smile on their faces.
It must be the Karneval which makes the women loose.
Ever been there for Karneval? Mark your calendar.
Or if not that then maybe its the [i]Eau de Cologne[/i]. Best know brand is 4711 or [i]Sieben-und-Vierzig Elf[/i].
The name Cologne or Koeln comes from the Roman Colonia. The Romans had an outpost there and maybe it was all of those Roman baths and orgies which got the whole thing started.
The Muencher like to say that their city is the northernmost Italian city.
I beg to differ. I think its Koeln.
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Koeln girls and Karneval
Hi Jackyo,
[QUOTE=Jackyo] ... and this is what drives its reputation.
Mention Koeln to any Germans and it puts a smile on their faces.
It must be the Karneval which makes the women loose.[/QUOTE]
I have been Koeln just the once and admired the cathedral there. I do know of the Karneval. If the stream of German girls in the clubs that I am lucking out with continue then I may need to get my arse to Koeln to see if I can get a girl from there in open play rather than pay for play. Imagine one of these angels as your girlfriend.
[QUOTE=Jackyo]Ever been there for Karneval? Mark your calendar.[/QUOTE]
I am booking in for 2009 for Feb 13-15 and April 9-13 already. Annual leave approved and lufthansa flights being researched with good availability at present. Just deciding on Dusseldorf or Frankfurt but may go into CGN for Koeln Bonn with Germanwings if Koeln is where I want to be.
[QUOTE=Jackyo]Or if not that then maybe its the [i]Eau de Cologne[/i]. Best know brand is 4711 or [i]Sieben-und-Vierzig Elf[\i]. [/QUOTE]
My grandfather used 4711 a lot and I used to try it too. That was where I learnt about cologne.
[QUOTE=Jackyo]The name Cologne or Koeln comes from the Roman Colonia. The Romans had an outpost there and maybe it was all of those Roman baths and orgies which got the whole thing started. The Muencher like to say that their city is the northernmost Italian city.[/QUOTE]
You may have something there Jackyo.
[QUOTE=Jackyo]I beg to differ. I think its Koeln. [/QUOTE]
Koeln it is. I do not mind so long as the message I am expressing gets across.
Kind regards
Londonbasketcase
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Now are the girls that much hotter and better at Oase so as to justify the lousier facilities vis a vis world?
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I thought Berlin is supposed to be the party city with their Love Parade.
Clearing customs in the EU is pretty easy a lot easier than most places.
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Transport Question - Bus fares
Howdy,
[url]www.bahn.de[/url] has been instrumental for scheduling my trip. However would someone please clue me in what I need to shell out for bus fare.
Is it a one fare covers all or is it incremental?
Thank you,
Silvercat
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[QUOTE=Frank Dallas]Now are the girls that much hotter and better at Oase so as to justify the lousier facilities vis a vis world?[/QUOTE] Facilities at Oase are not bad. There is some history here since they allowed to get to a pretty bad state (dirty sofas, bad ventilation in the smokey main room etc.) but a lot has been rennovated and smoking is now only allowed in specified areas. The outdoor pool is the best of all the clubs. The facilities at World are better, but Oase is usually still my preference.
Every now and then you will see posters say something like "who cares about ____ (fill in the blank with "food", "wellness", "sauna", "pool") since we are there to fuck girls. Well, I am there to fuck girls but also to meet friends, have fun, relax etc. and I often spend the whole day of night there with my buddies I do not meet except during those trips. For me the whole surrounding is just as important. Having said that, I must say that Oase facilities are just fine.
Frank, just pick the one you feel like going to. If you start in one club and find it lacking, just get dressed and drive to the other (it will take you 30 minutes).
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Henio, you can see how I am obsessing
My first day is Friday Juen 6. The weather report shows sunny and the 80s. Hmmm. So if I am outside, I can go to Oases then! And on the next day, the forecast is for rain, I can go to World!
The Oases line up reports have been excellent!
OK, I need someone to go to World and give a report as to the line up with detailed specifics as to each girl. Please do an hour session with each to get the full effect. That way I will kn ow what I am doing.
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Karneval again
Could anyone with more experience in this area help with some advise? When I read about he carnival, it seem like the most intense part is at the end. There is a Thursday, some activity on the coming Sunday and then the Rosen Montag.
I have not so much time to spend in town, but I can at least chose when to spend it. Is there any difference between the days in terms of partying and with that possibilities to find some local german ladied with interest in more than just drinking beer?
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Local transport is run..
[QUOTE=Silvercat]Howdy,
[url]www.bahn.de[/url] has been instrumental for scheduling my trip. However would someone please clue me in what I need to shell out for bus fare.
Is it a one fare covers all or is it incremental?
Thank you,
Silvercat[/QUOTE]
.. by local transport authorities so it depends on where you are going to be.
I'd check [url]www.vrr.de[/url], for example, if I were in Duesseldorf. They would have rates indicated there.
VRR stands for [i]Verkehrsverband Rhein-Ruhr[/i].
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June 7-8 in Frankfurt for FKK
[QUOTE=Frank Dallas]
My first day is Friday Juen 6. The weather report shows sunny and the 80s. Hmmm. So if I am outside, I can go to Oases then! And on the next day, the forecast is for rain, I can go to World!
The Oases line up reports have been excellent! [/QUOTE]
Frank Dallas,
I could not recall your visit dates. I thought that were later in the month. I am in Frankfurt for weekend of 7-8 June. Probably be visiting Oase for Saturday, 7 June and maybe Oase again or Palace for 8 June before going back to work again.
Oase's outdoor area to me is fine. Sitting around the pool on a lounger naked getting an all over tan. Naked girls wandering around to perve at when you are not sleeping or have your eyes closed. Drinks kiosk to pick up cool beverages. I am satisfied.
If you are at Oase on Saturday I can hook up and hang out with you. A few of the Ice Bears will be there as well to meet up coming all the way from the Netherlands.
Cheers,
Londonbasketcase
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[QUOTE=Jackyo]
There are almost no German women who work there (which is not a good sign; if one wants to make a list of clubs whose women who have been trafficked, one would start with this one).
This is why its not high on my list as far as clubs to visit are concerned. I don't speak Romanian or Bulgarian and some of these women literally just arrived by bus (or train or plane or whatever).
German professionals, by the way, usually come from Koeln and have French [i]Kunstlernamen[/i] like Michelle or Nicole or Monique.[/QUOTE]
There are at least 2 German girls working there at the moment. Nikki from Dortmund and Nadia from Koln.
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Thanks for the update
[QUOTE=Akibono]There are at least 2 German girls working there at the moment. Nikki from Dortmund and Nadia from Koln.[/QUOTE]
This is two women out of from sixty to eighty, isn't it?
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Options
Wondering whether to do living room or villa vertigo? Want to go to a place where the service of the girls is better. Also heard some discriminatory remarks about LR. Is it true?
If I had to pick one of these what would the senior members recommend?
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Late May 2008 trip summary
ten day back to back london and germany trip summary
i had four trips to germany in may 2008 between frankfurt am main and northrhein westfalen interspersed with work and leisure in london. my first trip was for 4 days in the first week of may to frankfurt am main’s fkk clubs and my last three trips were within a couple of days of each other going to and from uk split between the fkks in frankfurt am main and the sauna clubs of nordrhein westfalen. the flights just worked out this way by no conscious design. i did not realise until i had finished booking my flights that this is what i did: trips to germany with either a day back in london or two days back in london for meetings.
the below is my trip summary of my later may 2008 three trips to germany with interludes in the uk.
**day 1 frankfurt am main, hesse
fkk oase
stayed 16 hours
5 girls adding up to 3.5 hours of sessions in the rooms
4 blondes
1 brunette
**day 2 frankfurt am main, hesse
fkk oase
stayed 8 hours
4 girls over 3.75 hours of sessions in the rooms
3 blondes
1 brunette
highlight: anal with a pretty blond.
**day 3 london, uk
daytime: work during day to 6:30pm
evening: attended concert at london’s o2 centre by one of my favourite artists. it had a great light show and excellent performance producing true tears of joy in me by the end. i am finding it hard to keep my eyes open.
**day 4 bruggen, nordrhein westfalen
saunaclub goldentime
stayed 13.5 hours
5 sessions adding up to 3 hours in the rooms
several blondes
highlight: i had the energy to do 5 sessions in one day. i experienced 5 great sessions to enjoy for prosperity.
**day 5 bruggen, nordrhein westfalen
*saunaclub goldentime
stayed 8 hours
3 sessions adding up to 1.5 hours of sessions in the rooms
3 blondes
back in london: 2 do it yourself masturbations before bed.
**day 6 london, uk
*work during day to 7:30pm
*nags head strip pub, whitechapel, east london.
reason for visit: meet up with a friend from birmingham.
stayed 3 hours
5 girls on show:
-lola, spanish blonde, brown eyes, a cup, handsome looking
-[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url], brazilian blonde, brown eyes, firm c cup, spinner type
-kiki, english blonde, green eyes, b cup i am in love, demure girlfriend type.
-diana, brazilian dark haired, b cup, average looks
-gracie, brazilian dark haired, b cup, tendency to become a womanly milf in later life
great visuals from the girls’ naked bodies, excellent pole dancing by kiki and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] and meeting up with my friend from birmingham who had just come back from amsterdam at 8pm through heathrow. i also caught up with some regular british guys on the london strip circuit for extra company. i had not seen these guys for months. it is probably because i am in germany.
i had my eyes on kiki for most of the time and tried to strike up conversation with her to get to know her better but it was [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] who stole the show being the dirty minx that gives the impression that she will do anything you want and let you put it anywhere you want (for a fee of course).
i resisted the desire to do it yourself masturbations tonight as i am saving up for the weekend trip. this was a shame as kiki’s visuals got me real horny.
**day 7 london, uk
*work during day to 6pm
**day 8 bruggen, nordrhein westfalen
*saunaclub goldentime
5 sessions adding up to 2.5 hours in the rooms
stayed 13.5 hours
5 blondes
highlight: i had the energy to do 5 sessions again.
at hotel: 1 do it yourself masturbation session. i could not get enough of my excellent day. great memories from the visuals experienced. i had 5 great sessions to cherish.
**day 9 bruggen, nordrhein westfalen
*saunaclub goldentime
stayed 7 hours
2 sessions adding up to 1 hour in the rooms
2 blondes
*saunaclub villa vertigo
stayed 6 hours
1 session in the kino
1 blonde
highlight: the blonde busting my balls with a vigorous hand job. she will be ingrained in my memory. even a two days later my balls still feel tender.
**day 10 bruggen, nordrhein westfalen
*saunaclub goldentime
stayed 4 hours
2 girls adding up to 1 hour in the rooms
1 blonde
1 brunette (including anal finale to end my excellent trip)
back in london: 2 do it yourself masturbations before bed.
kind regards
londonbasketcase
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@LBS: Dude, soon you will go blind
@Jackyo: Aki said at least 2. I doubt that he interviewed all of them. I know a few more German girls that work at World (and also a delightful English lady). The club has also historcally a group of Polish girls although I am not sure how it is right now. Wanna take the moral high road on trafficking, then stay out of this game totally. No shortcuts available.
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The girl next door
[QUOTE=Henio]@Jackyo: Aki said at least 2. I doubt that he interviewed all of them. I know a few more German girls that work at World (and also a delightful English lady). The club has also historcally a group of Polish girls although I am not sure how it is right now. Wanna take the moral high road on trafficking, then stay out of this game totally. No shortcuts available.[/QUOTE]
We've discussed trafficking enough here and I agree, its next to impossible to avoid it.
The [b][u]relative[/u][/b] absence of German women at World also simply means that the "German-girl-next-door" experience does not characterize the talent at this club.
If you are into the "Bulgarian-girl-next-door" or the "Romanian-girl-next-door", then you've found the club to hang out at. (Or maybe I should be writing "peasant-girl-next-door" - that would be more accurate.)
As to Cordelia, I've not had the pleasure yet, unfortunately.
When am I visiting World next? When I'm stuck in Frankfurt having to kill time while making a plane connection.
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Karneval in Koeln
[QUOTE=Polar]Could anyone with more experience in this area help with some advise? When I read about he carnival, it seem like the most intense part is at the end. There is a Thursday, some activity on the coming Sunday and then the Rosen Montag.
I have not so much time to spend in town, but I can at least chose when to spend it. Is there any difference between the days in terms of partying and with that possibilities to find some local german ladied with interest in more than just drinking beer?[/QUOTE]
Karnevel in Koeln? Hmm.. How can I find the words?
Yes, the main events are on the Thursday before (Altweiberfasnacht) and the Monday before (Rosen Montag).
Rosen Montag consists of drunk train loads of revelers from all over NRW descending on the city and whooping it up. Great [i]Partystimmung[/i], lots of alcohol consumption, crazy funky background music.
Can one get laid? Yes. You'll need to find the right place to hangout.
As to club activities on Rosen Montag, I was actually disappointed. Seems that a lot of the girls want to party too and so the clubs aren't all open or if they are open, they don't have the whole [i]Mannschaft[/i] (or should it be [i]Frauschaft[/i]?) present.
Overall, it was an exhausting experience.
I have yet to attend Altweiberfasnacht events at the clubs but they do have them. They must be pretty wild. I'd say ground zero for this would be Bernds... but wait, Bernds is crazy enough even without Karneval.
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Londonbasketcase’s First week of May 2008 Hessen Trip
Summary of Londonbasketcase’s
Frankfurt Trip
First week of May 2008
*4 days and 3 nights of Hessen FKK club visiting.
*2 different sauna clubs visited in the Hessen area.
*4 sauna club visits in total covering:
** FKK Oase 3 visits
** FKK Palace 1 visit
**missed out visiting FKK World due to being distracted by the stellar line up at FKK Oase. I provide my sincere apologies once again to the gentleman that we were meant to meet up at FKK World. Your two companions provide their sincere apologies.
*14 sessions covering 14 hours of paid for time excluding extras like CIM, COB and anal.
**The different girls I roomed with comprised of blond (natural and peroxide) girls with various bust sizes and heights.
*I met a lot of good guys from the various internet forums during my 4 day trip. Especial mention of the two mongers from North America travelling together who knew of this forum amongst others. Please keep in touch.
****The FKK Clubs****
**FKK Oase day 1**
1. Eastern European blonde €200 1.5 hours includes CIM
2. Eastern European blonde €150 1 hour includes CIM
3. German blonde €150 1 hour includes CIM
Highlight 1: Seeing my favourite blondes again and enjoying their BBBJs, gorgeous bodies, having sex with them and finishing in their pretty mouths.
Highlight 2: Dinner with my two companions at the Lindenhof in Friedrichsdorf. I had a traditonal Hessen dish of boiled pork and red cabbage in gravy. Tasty.
**FKK Oase day 2**
1. Eastern European blonde €150 1 hour includes CIM
2. Balkans blonde €200 1 hour includes anal
3. German blonde €150 1 hour includes CIM
4. German blonde €300 1.5 hour includes anal and CIM
Highlight: two sessions of anal. A brilliant experience that touched me spiritually as I explored the arses of two delectable girls.
**FKK Oase day 3**
1. Balkans blonde €150 1hour includes CIM
2. Balkans blonde €100 1hour in the kino
3. German blonde €100 1 hour
4. German blonde €150 1 hour includes COB
Highlight 1: 1 hour session in the kino. I was exhausted and sweating by the end of the hour and I think it was over an hour as I said "I think I have only 5 minutes left so should I stop?" and she said "No, no, do not stop keep going as I am going to come". I generated an audience as everytime I got up for air I saw couches of guys (two to a couch instead of the usual one to a couch)looking my way instead of at the movie screen.
Highlight 2: Italian meal in Friedrichsdorf for lunch
**FKK Palace day 4**
Previously reported:
1. Gina of Czech (blonde) €150 1 hour
Kino start with BBBJ, DFK, BBBJ, FS in missionary and doggie with CIM finish and some DATY
2. Angelina of Czech (blonde) €100
BBBJ, missionary sex and CIM finish
3. Gina of Czech (blonde) €100
Kino start with BBBJ, FS in missionary and doggie with CIM finish
Highlight: Gina’s visuals of looking into my eyes during our session then running her tongue across her upper lip with a mischievously sexy look. We were in missionary coitus and that view just made me want to pump her pussy harder then pull off the condom and come in her mouth.
Kind regards
Londonbasketcase
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[QUOTE=Henio]@LBS: Dude, soon you will go blind [/QUOTE]
Henio,
Sorry. I'll try to stop masturbating. The problem is that it is difficult as doing it yourself can feel really good as you know what ticks your box in terms of what you like.
Regards
Londonbasketcase
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I hate when they do this
[quote=rogers]anna - romanian, brunnette, long somewhat curly hair, big ass but has cellulite when seen in the light. it's hard to have sex when the girl won't even spread her legs lol. avoid!![/quote]
its among my pet peeves: she keeps her legs together and you can't get good penetration.
i'm not a large dude but actually had a chick complain to me that i was touching her cervix and she found it unpleasant. maybe that is what this was all about. one more reason to avoid really small women. (i much prefer them full size, as opposed to the miniature version, what guys call spinners.)
it ranks up there with women who are hard to manuever. they have a process in mind when they enter the room and won't allow you to deviate from the process. usually they only have one position in mind, won't take the initiative, won't take suggestions. its almost like you need to wrestle with her to get her into place. (actually the wrestling part can be fun if you are into that kind of thing but i'd much rather see two women wrestling than have to do it myself.)
my other pet peeve is that she won't take her hand off the condom, keeps a firm grip on it as you penetrate. its very distracting. she's concerned that you might lose the condom and you become concerned because she has her hand wrapped around your dick.
its almost as distracting as having a second chick massage your balls as you penetrate the first one. its not unpleasant; just distracting. makes it hard to come for me.
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[quote=jackyo]my other pet peeve is that she won't take her hand off the condom, keeps a firm grip on it as you penetrate. its very distracting. she's concerned that you might lose the condom and you become concerned because she has her hand wrapped around your dick.
[/quote]reading your post i was going to mention that one. it's not only uncomfortable as hell, it's a mojo killer. if a girl is so terribly paranoid about this issue, she probably is in the wrong business.
the worst of the worst are teethy, bored blowjobs.
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Choices
[QUOTE=FoxySimone]Wondering whether to do living room or villa vertigo? Want to go to a place where the service of the girls is better.
If I had to pick one of these what would the senior members recommend?[/QUOTE]
I have been to Villa Vertigo several times now. I love its excellent facilities and each time it has some of the best food that I have experienced in the sauna clubs and FKKs put together.
The line up is improving. They have an Angelina Jolie look alike there when I visited in April 2008. During my recent visit there was a petite blonde that took my breath away. She wore a pink track suit set that barely hid her multi talented body containing slim body, good sized tits (maybe C cup), long legs in high platform heels. I saw her for 2 minutes and never saw her again during my 6 hours visit. In those 2 minutes she caused a stir amongst the punters sitting out on the patio and the girls also there all whispered to each other looking at her with evil and green envied eyes.
As for Living Room in all my travels I have not been to Living Room in Kaarst much to my dismay.
I apologise for my lack of adventure to head that much further East to Kaarst to attend Living Room. I missed it during my April maiden voyage to NRW instead spending most of my time in Goldentime in Bruggen forming relationships with the girls and support staff there. It is nice when the reception and bar staff remember you and know your fave drink. For my subsequent two visits in May to NRW where my flights came in via Netherlands or from further North of NRW. I stayed close to the Dutch/German border clubs due to their convenience and enjoyment factor I had from my April visit.
Also I must remember that I can receive a discount of €25 for entritt at Living Room if I have been at Goldentime that same day. I just need to arrange it with the friendly GT receptionists.
I cannot give a balanced view of LR over VV but at present VV receives my vote but if LR is run like GT and has a similar line up then I know I will love LR as I enjoy GT so much.
Kind regards
Londonbasketcase
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Public tranportation to some clubs
I posted a question for public transportation to different clubs. There was no clear response about the direction. I think I could have figured it out reasonally quickly. Just go to bahn.de and put in the Hauptbahnhof of each city (e.g., koln HBF for Samya) and then put in the address/city of the club. The website is probably the best in the whole Europe and will provide you details of how to get there. You can even find the schedule there if you do not want to wait on the platform for long. Please combine the website with the attached google earth maps of most of FKK clubs. You can pinpoint the direction and know the surroundings from google earth precisely. Even if you are drive there, it could help.
Some members, probably wanking, posted the route of how to get to some of the clubs. I got them a while ago from various postings here or in other places. I added a little details about the lodging. I am posting below to share among us.
Samya
From koln HBF, Take U16 from center to Michaelshoven. The direction is Bonn-Bad Godesberg or Sürth Bahnhof. Exit the platform (there is only one way out) and follow the road to the right as there is some type of office block/factory on the left with security gates. You'll come to a main road and you should cross over and carry on straight ahead. About 300m down this road is Kirschbaumweg and Samya is about 100m on the right. It takes about 10 mins to walk from the Michaelshoven stop to Samya and the trains run pretty frequently late into the night.
Or bus 135, right to the door.
FKK Cocoon Wuppertal Dusseldorf
How to get there by public transport from Dusseldorf HBF:
Take train to Wuppertal Oberbarmen. Time: 29 mins
Then bus 602 to stop Schmiedestr Time: 18 mins
The club is about 300 meters from this stop.
Where to stay: Well I stayed in the Hotel etap which is 1.5 km away. But 300 meters from the club and beside bus stop Schmiedestr you have the hotel Aal Kate. Both charge around €35 per night for a single room.
Hotel & Restaurant Aal-Kate
Schmiedestrasse 55
42279 Wuppertal
0202 / 265699-20
aal-kate-hotel.de
Aal-Kate-Hotel-Restaurant
Schmiedestraße 55
42279 Wuppertal
Tel.: 0202 2656990
Fax: 0202 26569918
[url]www.Aal-Kate-Hotel.de[/url]
[email]Hotelaalkate@aol.com[/email]
Etap Hotel Wuppertal Nord Oberbarmen
Address :
Gabelsberger Strasse 12
42279 WUPPERTAL OBERBARMEN
GERMANY
(+49) 0202 64 80 948
Lindner Golfhotel Juliana
Mollenkotten 195
D-42279 Wuppertal
Phone: 0202-64 75-0
Fax: 0202-64 75-777
Via public transport from the main station
• from the main station: with suspension railway or urban railway to Wuppertal Oberbarmen
• bus 602 in direction Hasslinghausen
• stop: Schmiedestraße
• approx. 600 m to the hotel
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Pricing and picking locations to visit
Hi All,
This is just a musing on pricing and choosing a location to visit and should be self evident but I just wanted to share:
I have a thorough enjoyment of a CIM or COB finish when I session with girls and thankfully I have found only one girl so far that I have taken to the room or the kino that does not take a CIM finish in the FKKs and sauna clubs.
Compared to the UK you have to hunt down the girls that allow CIM and even then they can refuse once you have booked them and paid. It is hit and miss in the UK if you want a good CIM service. A lot of the girls do not do it.
It is therefore with some delight I have discovered the FKKs and saunaclubs and the excellent services that can be provided therein. Also much better value than the girls who do the same in London by a long shot.
Anyway my point is that I can average 4 sessions or so a day bouncing between say 6 sessions to say 2 to 3 sessions when I am in a FKK or saunaclub all day.
In Hesse FKK the pricing is €100 per half hour session being €50 for the standard half hour time with BBBJ, HJ, covered sex, maybe DATY and DFK included - I get these in most cases and €50 for the CIM or COB service. So for 4 successive sessions with CIM is €400 plus entritt of €65 means my visit excluding incidentals is €465.
In NRW saunaclubs the pricing unless advised otherwise is €75 for a session with CIM happy ending. The make up is €50 for BBBJ, HJ covered sex, and maybe DFK and DATY for half a hour and €25 for the CIM service. So for 4 successive sessions with CIM the cost is €300 plus entritt of €50 means my visit excluding incidentals is €350.
The difference on this scenario analysis is €115 cheaper in NRW than Hesse. The next thought I had was accessibility. For me it is arguable that Hesse is easier to get to and stay. Then there is the fact all the girls are naked in FKK as opposed to lingerie or bikini clad in NRW sauna clubs. Then I really thought about it and especially at Goldentime - there are nearly naked girls there too going topless bar a modesty pussy wrap (and no panties) like at Palace and Oase and World anyway. It is a rare girl who is all covered up at Goldentime.
I know if I did not go for CIM or COB finishes that the pricing is nearly the same at €250 for NRW and €265 in Hesse. The make up being €50 for each half hour session so four sessions is €200 in NRW and Hesse and one off day visit entritt fee of €50 for NRW and €65 entritt for Hesse.
So based on it you are a plain standard service man then the choice of Hesse or NRW is indifferent unless you are hung up on the €15 entritt difference. Even then World entritt at present is €50 so is comparable like for like there. It is just palace at €75 is the one you need to think about - if you have to travel long distances then €25 more is not going to make much of a difference in my opinion.
Now if you are an extras man then NRW is the place to be if the girls there tick your boxes in terms of looks, service, personality and so forth. I have found both locations have the girls I like - Goldentime in NRW and Oase in Hesse.
These are just a few thoughts that I wnated to commit to some medium and may be of some interest to others.
Kind regards
Londonbasketcase
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When I'm stuck
[QUOTE=Jackyo]When I'm stuck in Frankfurt having to kill time while making a plane connection.[/QUOTE]
...in FRA having to kill time I visit Oase. I never even consider the other 2 clubs anymore.
When will I visit World next? Only if there's a pre-arranged rendezvous with fellow ISGers planned there.
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Bernd's is the exception to the rule
[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase] In Hesse FKK the pricing is €100 per half hour session being €50 for the standard half hour time with BBBJ, HJ, covered sex, maybe DATY and DFK included - I get these in most cases and €50 for the CIM or COB service. So for 4 successive sessions with CIM is €400 plus entritt of €65 means my visit excluding incidentals is €465.
In NRW saunaclubs the pricing unless advised otherwise is €75 for a session with CIM happy ending. The make up is €50 for BBBJ, HJ covered sex, and maybe DFK and DATY for half a hour and €25 for the CIM service. So for 4 successive sessions with CIM the cost is €300 plus entritt of €50 means my visit excluding incidentals is €350.
The difference on this scenario analysis is €115 cheaper in NRW than Hesse. The next thought I had was accessibility. For me it is arguable that Hesse is easier to get to and stay. Then there is the fact all the girls are naked in FKK as opposed to lingerie or bikini clad in NRW sauna clubs. Then I really thought about it and especially at Goldentime - there are nearly naked girls there too going topless bar a modesty pussy wrap (and no panties) like at Palace and Oase and World anyway. It is a rare girl who is all covered up at Goldentime.
I know if I did not go for CIM or COB finishes that the pricing is nearly the same at €250 for NRW and €265 in Hesse. The make up being €50 for each half hour session so four sessions is €200 in NRW and Hesse and one off day visit entritt fee of €50 for NRW and €65 entritt for Hesse.
So based on it you are a plain standard service man then the choice of Hesse or NRW is indifferent unless you are hung up on the €15 entritt difference. [/QUOTE]
... as usual and messes up your cost effectiveness calculation.
* It's in NRW but the girls are all naked and are not allowed to cover up even with their towel.
* It's accessible; by car- only an hour and a half drive from FRA without having to drive through traffic intensive areas like Cologne or Dusseldororf; by train+taxi only an hour from airport to Schieferhof.
* CIM and COB are included in the standard half hour pricing, so 4 sessions will cost €200+ €70 entry will total €270, which is only €5 more than a day of non-CIM sessions would cost in Hesse.
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Yes! You are right, sir!
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]The worst of the worst are teethy, bored blowjobs.[/QUOTE]
Being gnawed on is no fun. Definitely a mood killer.
On other forum I've posted before there was this guy going on about how there was no such thing as a bad BJ.
He'd apparently never had a bad BBGJ... Bareback Gnaw Job.
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[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase] The next thought I had was accessibility. For me it is arguable that Hesse is easier to get to and stay. [/QUOTE]
Jackyo and I have talked about accessiblity to the Golden triangle (gt,vv, phg) via train before. Train from the Dusseldorf hbf drops you off right in the middle of the 3 clubs. So it is possible to do these three clubs without renting a car, although i haven't tried it yet.
[QUOTE=Jackyo] This is the schedule to Nettetal Kaldenkirchen.
Ab / An Haltestelle Verkehrsmittel
ab 08:48 Düsseldorf Hbf Gleis 4 R-Bahn RE13
Venlo Station
an 09:51 Nettetal Kaldenkirchen Bf Gleis 3
It takes an hour.
The quickest way is to take the RE13. There is no connection to be made (there are other trains but you would have to change trains a couple of times).
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[QUOTE=Iseeu]...in FRA having to kill time I visit Oase. I never even consider the other 2 clubs anymore.
When will I visit World next? Only if there's a pre-arranged rendezvous with fellow ISGers planned there.[/QUOTE]
Same here. World is one of the best place to meet and hang out with friends with occasional sessions in between, but when alone, I opt for Oase.
@LBS: One thing one has to consider as well is that long sessions are much more economical in many of the NRW clubs since it the second half hour is only 25 euros. This varies a bit between clubs though, but GT, LR and PHG all have the 25 euros as standard for second half (although some girls are trying for 50 for second half hour). There are also some variations of this, f.ex. YY that has the 50-25-50-25 version.
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[QUOTE=Henio]Same here. World is one of the best place to meet and hang out with friends with occasional sessions in between, but when alone, I opt for Oase.
@LBS: One thing one has to consider as well is that long sessions are much more economical in many of the NRW clubs since it the second half hour is only 25 euros. This varies a bit between clubs though, but GT, LR and PHG all have the 25 euros as standard for second half (although some girls are trying for 50 for second half hour). There are also some variations of this, f.ex. YY that has the 50-25-50-25 version.[/QUOTE]
In my recent trip to GT, I found that a large number of the ladies are charging 50E for the second thirty minutes, but CIM is still 25.
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[QUOTE=Henio]Same here. World is one of the best place to meet and hang out with friends with occasional sessions in between, but when alone, I opt for Oase.
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True enough. It's hard to beat World when it comes to doing the "Hang-Bang-Hang-Bang" deal.
I've still been turning to World a lot lately for solo clubbing. I've nothing against Oase but the line-ups there just have not rang my bell as much as World has in the past month or so. Oase still has its stars, but I guess I am looking for new talent, and I seem to be finding it more so at World these days. I've run into about 7 to 10 can't-miss-gals at World since January who are relatively new for me. It is just hard for me to pass up a trip to Pohlheim when up the ole' FFM way.
Plus, I can't nap so easily at Oase, although they do have so new lounge chair that are pretty good for the between-pop snooze.
Turnover at World is high but the good ones are staying, even though they complain about low traffic. During the week, the place is usually a buyer's market.
BTW Jackyo, For what it's worth, some of my worst sessions in the past year and a half have been with Germans. (To be fair, three of the BEST session that I have had in this time period have also been with Germans.)
I realize that this was not you original point and has little to do with concerns about trafficking and such. I only mention it for the sake of those who might have been confused by the statement about a club having few German workers being a bad sign.
Cheers,
Dedalus, whose best sessions of 08 thus far have been a from two Romanians, a Georgian and a Bulgarian.
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[QUOTE=Akibono]In my recent trip to GT, I found that a large number of the ladies are charging 50E for the second thirty minutes, but CIM is still 25.[/QUOTE]
Did you then pay this amount? Asking and charging are two different things. They can ask for 500, doesn't mean your going to pay them that. They can ask me for 100 at the locker for an hour in the room...i'll hand them 75 and if they want the other 25, we can talk to the management.
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Goldentime pricing
[QUOTE=Breadman]Did you then pay this amount? Asking and charging are two different things. They can ask for 500, doesn't mean your going to pay them that. They can ask me for 100 at the locker for an hour in the room...i'll hand them 75 and if they want the other 25, we can talk to the management.[/QUOTE]
When I was at Goldentime recently I was told by one of the girls that the pricing in 2009 will be amended to mirror that of the Hessen clubs. That is, €50 for first half hour and €50 for the second half hour and so forth. I also took what she said that the extras would also be likewise hessen pricing being €50 extra for my beloved COB and CIM and then also €100 for anal instead of €50 as it is now. I may be wrong in that interpretation.
I also experienced instances where a girl would ask for €50 for additional half hours. As such I stick to half hour sessions in the main.
During one session I was thoroughly enjoying the fucking and realised that I was nearing the 30 minute mark - I was on top form this day keeping it up for that long. I said to the cute blonde spinner whether I could upgrade to a one hour session she said that it would be €50 more. A bit of a communication break down ensured so I decided to cut my losses and finished in a €50 half hour session.
I think it better that the girl says up front that she is a €50 for extra half hour girl but then I expect a lot fo guys do not say up front that they would like a hour. I do try to say as soon as I can and generally in the first 2-3 minutes that I am doing a hour with her.
The notices in GT are clear that prices for services is between you and the girl to ensure that GT is acting within the law. I see similar notices in the lockers at Palace. The clubs provide facilities and do not set pricing or employ the girls. The disclaimers are put up to protect the club I understand.
Kind regards
Londonbasketcase
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World for wellness and NRW club pricing
[QUOTE=Henio] Same here. World is one of the best place to meet and hang out with friends with occasional sessions in between, but when alone, I opt for Oase.[/QUOTE]
I would tend to agree as well that World's facilities are conducive to meeting friends. I have the same feeling for Villa Vertigo s I do World as a place where you can go to do spa activities and the girls and sex is just a side opportunity as opposed to the main event of enjoying the wellness and relaxation facilities.
I go to Oase alone most times but always seem to meet an English speaker to hang out with. Then I am no longer alone. I love going to Oase to have sessions.
[QUOTE=Henio] @LBC: One thing one has to consider as well is that long sessions are much more economical in many of the NRW clubs since it the second half hour is only 25 euros. This varies a bit between clubs though, but GT, LR and PHG all have the 25 euros as standard for second half (although some girls are trying for 50 for second half hour). There are also some variations of this, f.ex. YY that has the 50-25-50-25 version. [/QUOTE]
Henio, thank you for the explanation on NRW pricing. I have yet to break the one hour barrier at Goldentime but for my one hour sessions I paid 50+25 maing €75 and had a CIM finish so that made it €100 all up.
If YY is 50+25+50+25+ etc... then is GT except for those girls that have taken up the 50+50+50+50, etc.. pricing policy mean that they charge 50+25+25+25+... per additional half hour increments.
Kind regards
Londonbasketcase
Kind regards
Londonbasketcase
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[QUOTE=Breadman]Jackyo and I have talked about accessiblity to the Golden triangle (gt,vv, phg) via train before. Train from the Dusseldorf hbf drops you off right in the middle of the 3 clubs. So it is possible to do these three clubs without renting a car, although i haven't tried it yet.[/QUOTE]
For all my NRW visits so far I have hired motor vehicles.
For all my hesse trips I have been relying on a combination of public transport and taxis to get to the promised land.
My entry point is not always Dusseldorf if I am visiting GT, VV, PHG, LR or YY so i have to make so with public transport.
Kind regards
Londonbasketcase
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Thanks for Bernds picing policy
[QUOTE=Iseeu]... as usual and messes up your cost effectiveness calculation.
* It's in NRW but the girls are all naked and are not allowed to cover up even with their towel.
* It's accessible; by car- only an hour and a half drive from FRA without having to drive through traffic intensive areas like Cologne or Dusseldororf; by train+taxi only an hour from airport to Schieferhof.
* CIM and COB are included in the standard half hour pricing, so 4 sessions will cost €200+ €70 entry will total €270, which is only €5 more than a day of non-CIM sessions would cost in Hesse.[/QUOTE]
Isseu,
Thank you for your considerate remarks on Bernds. I welcome the feedback as this is helpful responses. I have still to visit Bernds and the feedback is positive. There are the reports about being German speaking to really get the most and enjoy the experience that Bernds provides.
Maybe if I do go I should be going with a German speaking companion. I will need to pre-arrange this. In my travels I find that I can meet other English or non English speakers. At Oase I hook up with English speakers (we are usually alone) but at Goldentime I tend to hook up with Germans, Dutch and Belgians that are happy to speak English with me.
I keep telling myself that I will visit Bernds when my German is good since I do think Bernds is the place where you need to build up a rapport. However, the reports seem to indicate that the girls are happy to be be paying attention to you regardless when you are seated on the couch in the living room. Good stuff.
Kind regards
Londonbasketcase
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[QUOTE=Breadman]Did you then pay this amount? Asking and charging are two different things. They can ask for 500, doesn't mean your going to pay them that. They can ask me for 100 at the locker for an hour in the room...i'll hand them 75 and if they want the other 25, we can talk to the management.[/QUOTE]
I don't have a problem paying 50 if the service is good. I would rather pay 50, get good service and have a happy girl than get rushed service and an arguement just to save 25. However, I do like to know this up front. I was blindsided by Regi when she billed at 50E without telling me upfront. As a result, I did not go with her again. Still, her service is top notch.
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Clear upfront pricing if there is a price differential
[QUOTE=Akibono]I don't have a problem paying 50 if the service is good. I would rather pay 50, get good service and have a happy girl than get rushed service and an arguement just to save 25. However, I do like to know this up front. I was blindsided by Regi when she billed at 50E without telling me upfront. As a result, I did not go with her again. Still, her service is top notch.[/QUOTE]
Akibono,
I agree. If some girls charge €25 for the extra half hour and some girls charge €50 and the tendency by historical experience is that €25 is the norm then when a girl springs in the middle of the first half hour that if you wish to continue to the second half hour that it is €50 more when you have had in your mind €25 (regardless that like me you are a Hesse visitor used to €50 anyway) then that is offputting regardless that you are getting the usual Hesse pricing. This is NRW and it expected that you receive NRW pricing.
It appears that NRW pricing is on the way up to those of Hesse and Hesse is moving up to Berline pricing with some girls refusing to do some acts and classing them as extras. See my post in the Palace thread along with one from another gent where for GFE involving slower pace, pussy licking and DFK you need to pay €100 for the session.
As well See my post further below in this thread about the reason I may head to NRW more because the extras I enjoy are that much more cheaper than Hesse. I find girls I like in NRW - in fact more variety of girls I like in NRW tahn I do in Hesse which to me seems strange. Further I think I can get over the fact the girls are dressed in NRW - I do love the fact in the FKKs the girls are totally naked but this is not all the girls in Hessen FKK especially Palace where a waist wrap (with obligatory no panties) is common covering their pussy. There are many girls wearing just the waist wrap in Goldentime and/or go topless so it is just like Palace. It is only say Oase or World where you get the fuller effect of the multitude of girls naked save for high heels, their purse and maybe some jewellry.
Kind regards
Londonbasketcase
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I hear you
[QUOTE=Dedalus]BTW Jackyo, For what it's worth, some of my worst sessions in the past year and a half have been with Germans. (To be fair, three of the BEST session that I have had in this time period have also been with Germans.)
I realize that this was not you original point and has little to do with concerns about trafficking and such. I only mention it for the sake of those who might have been confused by the statement about a club having few German workers being a bad sign.
Cheers,
Dedalus, whose best sessions of 08 thus far have been a from two Romanians, a Georgian and a Bulgarian.[/QUOTE]
I don't really communicate well with women who come from too far east. As Routard has remarked here, the further east they come from, the less in common he has with them. Ditto for me.
Polish women who speak fluent German are who I tend to gravitate to these days.
Good luck trying to find something in common with a peasant woman from say, Kazakhstan, who is totally inarticulate.
There are EE women out there who are intelligent, articulate and who I've connected with too, don't get me wrong.
A Russian literature major somewhere who can express herself well and f__ my brains out too would be a find.
I have had bad to so-so experiences with German women but, as you have noted, also among the best experiences ever.
I want to improve my odds of finding that exceptional experience, trafficking issues aside. And in the end, its not that hardened pros who deliver that mind-blowing experience, its the talented amateurs who do.
My best experience earlier this year was with Louisa at Finca. She is Romanian but has lived in Germany for a while, speaks German very well, is clearly educated and is quite funny. This is also clearly not a profession for her. She does it to make some pocket money.
I have nothing against Romanians. The run-of-the-mill-just-off-the-bus-here-to-make-as-much-money-as-I-can-because-my-career-alternative-at-home-is-milking-goats type don't do it for me, unfortunately.
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Migratory patterns?
Any word on how the UEFA Euro 2008 matches will affect the [i]Besatzung[/i] in our favorite clubs?
Has anyone detected any southward migratory patterns for the month of June?
Or are the rules so conservative in Switzerland and Austria that our favorite [i]Lebensabschnittgefaehrtinnen[/i] are staying put?
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Euro 2008 and FKK
Hey everyone
I'm a newbie from far far away in Australia and are coming to enjoy the FKK scene in Germany for the very first time in mid June.
Its euro 2008 when I visit so I'm wondering are there big screens in all the big FKK to show the game or some of them don't have it or they won't show the football at all? Place I be visiting are Golden Time, Living Room, Samya and Oase.
Also it be great if anyone can shed me some light on whether it be more busy or less busy during time like euro 2008.
On a more general topic, I notice some of the club the girls don't approach you. I speak no german at all so could anyone give me any tip on how to initiate with the girls? Whether gesture or small talk etc.
Never step foot in a FKK before much appreciated if someone could enlighten me.
Cheers,
Will report back
Mhlinkin
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Euro 2008 and FKK
Hey everyone,
I'm a newbie from far far away in Australia and are coming to enjoy the FKK scene in Germany for the very first time in mid June.
Its euro 2008 when I visit so I'm wondering is there big screens in all the big fkk to show the game or some of them don't have it or they won't show the football at all? Place I be visiting are golden time, living room, samya and oase.
Also it be great if anyone can shed me some light on whether it be more busy or less busy during time like euro 2008.
On a more general topic, I notice some of the club the girls don't approach you. I speak no German at all so could anyone give me any tip on how to initiate with the girls? Whether gesture or small talk etc.
Never step foot in a FKK before, much appreciated if someone could enlighten me.
Cheers
Will report back
Mhlinkin
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From my experience
[quote=mhlinkin]hey everyone,
i'm a newbie from far far away in australia and are coming to enjoy the fkk scene in germany for the very first time in mid june.
its euro 2008 when i visit so i'm wondering is there big screens in all the big fkk to show the game or some of them don't have it or they won't show the football at all? place i be visiting are golden time, living room, samya and oase.
also it be great if anyone can shed me some light on whether it be more busy or less busy during time like euro 2008.
on a more general topic, i notice some of the club the girls don't approach you. i speak no german at all so could anyone give me any tip on how to initiate with the girls? whether gesture or small talk etc.
never step foot in a fkk before, much appreciated if someone could enlighten me.
cheers
will report back
mhlinkin[/quote]
the women don't like it when they have football on the telly. the guys don't visit the clubs or if the clubs show the games, they don't want to do business with the girls.
a chick once said to me: [i]scheiss fussball![/i]. she wouldn't be doing much business that day and she spent most of it in a funk.
whether the women approach you or not depends on the club rules. some allow it, some have an [i]animierungsverbot[/i].
you need to make the move in the latter case. truth be told, a chick who is too aggressive marketing herself is usually desperate and is, as a rule, not to be taken up on her offer.
my favorite move: smile from across the room, make eye contact, tilt your head to one side and she will get the message. within two seconds, she will be sitting in your lap.
it takes practice to get this done right. i'm still working on my technique. need to work on my neck muscles.
at a partytreff, by the way, its the women who are scanning the room, trying to make eye contact and then tilting their heads to indicate motion to a room or a communal bed.
i was at the bar at pt dolce vita once just surveying the scene. across stood the larger ola who works there (there is also petite ola). she looks over at me, smiles, cocks her head to one side and we are off to the races. how is that for a woman who takes the initiative?
this is a universal language understood by all whether at a pt or a regular fkk club.
how to converse if you can't find a common language? that is up to you. some guys get by. others are bothered by it.
given two women who are basically identical but one i can understand the other one i can't i'd much rather have the former than the latter.
again: test for chemistry before going any further. if you can have a conversation and she seems receptive, go for it.
my basic assessment process from afar is simple: if you smile at her and she smiles back, you have a go ahead signal. avoid the ones who have an attitude.
you will also find that at some clubs it easy to peel away the chick you are interested in from her friends. at some clubs they like to cluster in groups. must be something about safety in numbers.
the club's physical layout has a lot to do with this too.
samya probably has the worst layout of them all. their couches are spaced out in a weird way and some girls like to sit together at a card table in the middle. goldentime and phg have some of them sitting on bar stools. very difficult to manuever to pick your target and find some quiet time with her.
the most efficient layout for a kontaktzimmer goes to babylon. [i]kunstledercouches[/i] line the walls. plentiful seating for everyone, lots of space between the girls (they know better than to sit together for too long - its bad for business). you take your towel over, lay it down beside the object of your lust and make some small talk first. better long, she's got her mouth wrapped around your best part.
i was there once and picked out verona. (wonder if she is still there.) our conversation very quickly moved into the next stages. she unwraps my towel and she'd going at it. i've got my hands roaming all over her. in fact, i had my finger inside her in no time. her friend, laura, is off to one side. she smiles, comes over and says that i shouldn't finger her friend. to emphasize this point, she takes my hand by the wrist and pulls it away from her. this is all in the spirit of fun, by the way. every time i went back to explore that tight little intimate space, her friend would pull my hand away. i gave up after a while and said it was time to go find a room and some privacy.
both of them (laura and verona) are very tight, very wet and have very large lips.
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Language
I am a linguistic retard but never found it a problem at Bernds, even with the non -English speaking girls. There are good odds you will always find one who speaks English (i.e. Mara ) and the atmosphere is like a no holds(holes?!)barred party treff ,except with 5 star plus providers !
[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase]Isseu,
Thank ....................................................
I keep telling myself that I will visit Bernds when my German is good since I do think Bernds is the place where you need to build up a rapport. However, the reports seem to indicate that the girls are happy to be be paying attention to you regardless when you are seated on the couch in the living room. Good stuff.
Kind regards
Londonbasketcase[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Jackyo]
I have nothing against Romanians. The run-of-the-mill-just-off-the-bus-here-to-make-as-much-money-as-I-can-because-my-career-alternative-at-home-is-milking-goats type don't do it for me, unfortunately.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, Jackyo –don't want to flame you – but this is so incredibly stereotypical.
It's okay sometimes to put things graphically... but it just doesn't correspond with my experiences I had with women respectively their background coming from this country.
Globus
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@Mhlinkin: Most of the larger clubs will show the games. Vivid in memory is when Dedalus put on a show that drew away considerable crowd from a World Cup game to watch him doing some acrobatics (with Polish Melissa if memory serves me right) in one of the outside areas at GT.
Jackyo is right that the girls can get a bit annoyed when the football is on, but the club relies on customers paying entries. The NRW clubs tend to crowd up a bit when the football is on, but less so in the Hessen clubs.
@Jackyo: Girl who can milk a goat eh? That's a winner for my money.
As my mommy used to say: there are two kinds of people, those who categorise other people and then there are those who do not. Oh well ;-)
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The NRW and Hessen clubs during Football
Hi Henio,
[QUOTE=Henio] Vivid in memory is when Dedalus put on a show that drew away considerable crowd from a World Cup game to watch him doing some acrobatics (with Polish Melissa if memory serves me right) in one of the outside areas at GT.[/QUOTE]
Cool. I have just had one session in the GT garden with a big boobed, BJ lipped brown haired Polish girl. I did it at midday with the Sun high in the sky an before GT got crowded to produce a command audience - just two Germans observing from the loungers in the lower garden.
I need to do more before the end of the Summer. It just feels so natural and also naughty to so it in the garden. I also would like to do it at Oase - but a bit more public there as the focus is on the pool.
[QUOTE=Henio]Jackyo is right that the girls can get a bit annoyed when the football is on, but the club relies on customers paying entries. The NRW clubs tend to crowd up a bit when the football is on, but less so in the Hessen clubs. [/QUOTE]
I am in and out of NRW and Hesse during the Euro football. IN fact I expect to be at Oase for the final game of Euro. It is good to know that the Hesse clubs will tend to be less choked with punters during the football but I do hope that the line ups still stay stellar in calibre to provide variety and choice.
In NRW and especially GT I expect the place to be crowded so maybe I should retire to Villa Vertigo or Planet Happy Garden for respite and relaxation. Then again the densely packed party atmosphere at GT is something to enjoy and stimulate the senses. Depends on if you want relax or excitement during your visit when seeing girls for hot sex.
Thanks as always,
Londonbasketcase
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@Kiwi 69 on Bernds
[QUOTE=Kiwi 69]I am a linguistic retard but never found it a problem at Bernds, even with the non -English speaking girls. There are good odds you will always find one who speaks English (i.e. Mara ) and the atmosphere is like a no holds(holes?!)barred party treff ,except with 5 star plus providers ![/QUOTE]
Hi Kiwi 69,
I am a mono linquist myself coming from an area of the country (well pretty much all of it) where English is the language spoken most commonly. Even foreign visitors spoke English and I have worked so far in industries where the official business language is English so there was no need to learn other langauges.
Thank you for your supportive feedback on Bernds and the use of English on non English speaking girls. Mara sounds good if she is an English speaker as I do like to be able to say more than "suck" and then "can we fuck now" and "can you suck me and I spitzen in your mouth?"
The description of a no holds barred Partytreff like orgy with 5 star providers sounds fantastic. Also appealing is the high standards of service and availabilty of them for €50 including CIM.
With thanks,
Londonbasketcase
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@ Jackyo on migratory patterns for Euro 2008
[QUOTE=Jackyo] Any word on how the UEFA Euro 2008 matches will affect the [i]Besatzung[/i] in our favorite clubs?[/QUOTE]
Not much from me. I have checked with some of my faves and they will be around for June. Not sure about July just yet as I did not check that far forward. Sorry I should be more thoughtful and planning ahead in mindset.
[QUOTE=Jackyo] Has anyone detected any southward migratory patterns for the month of June? [/QUOTE]
The only girl I have heard that is moving to Switzerland to work for Euro 2008 is Michelle of Switzerland at Oase. As yet I have not seen her move and recent reports of her at Oase also indicate she has not moved. There may be more.
I know one girl said she came back from working in Switzerland as the clubs there have more rules including the management being more directive of who the girl goes with, what services she does and how late they work. I know that girls usually ask for permission from management if they want to leave before the club closes. The potential money earned in Switzerland is much higher I understand.
In the FKKs there is the semblance that the girl chooses her services and clients as she works for herself but an instance recently when I saw three dressed pimps in a club openly collecting their cut of the girls' earnings really put me off and made me angry. How can dressed guys come into a club, do not have "I've paid my entritt today tags", then sit at the bar and have a gaggle of girls come up to them with their purses and hand over wads of cash in front of other punters at the bar and give them kisses and hugs. That is just arrogrance and sticking their finger to the establishment. Sorry I am digressing.
[QUOTE=Jackyo] Or are the rules so conservative in Switzerland and Austria that our favorite [i]Lebensabschnittgefaehrtinnen[/i] are staying put? [/QUOTE]
I hope that you are correct Jackyo. I would hate for the line ups to diminish in the Fatherland. This means I would need to start researching and booking trips to Austria and Switzerland. I know more people in Switzerland so that would be my preferred choice but both countries are very expensive so i would expect the mongering would be likewise.
Kind regards
Londonbasketcase
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[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase]In the FKKs there is the semblance that the girl chooses her services and clients as she works for herself but an instance recently when I saw three dressed pimps in a club openly collecting their cut of the girls' earnings really put me off and made me angry. How can dressed guys come into a club, do not have "I've paid my entritt today tags", then sit at the bar and have a gaggle of girls come up to them with their purses and hand over wads of cash in front of other punters at the bar and give them kisses and hugs. That is just arrogrance and sticking their finger to the establishment. [/QUOTE]Damn, that's a real turnoff. I'd prefer not to know what kind of parasitic scum these girls have to deal with on a daily basis.
Which club BTW?
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[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Damn, that's a real turnoff. I'd prefer not to know what kind of parasitic scum these girls have to deal with on a daily basis.
Which club BTW?[/QUOTE]
I was thinking these pimps must be lazy. They could not wait until the club closes to collect their take of the girls' earnings. I bet they were not even courteous to pick the girls up at the end of the shift making them get a taxi paid out of their left over cash and exposing them to getting robbed by other pimps or lowlifes that mark working girls going home late at night with wads of cash.
I won't say what club where I saw this as I suspect it is prevalent anywhere. I always thought the clubs were above this but realise that there will be girls that have managers. I just should not be so naive. It is a lesson for me.
I actually thought I should not write this point but the memory just really riles me and makes so angry. I stood at the bar thinking and mouthing "wankers, wankers, wankers" at them and as they walked past me I called them "fuckwits" and "cocksuckers". They just ignored me and waved at the receptionist as they left.
Regards
Londonbasketcase
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Don't be naive. 90% of the girls in German FKKs do have a manager, pimp, friend. And a target the have to meet every day and hand over to the manager. Can ne between 500 and 700 each day. What goes above they can keep. There's managers with 10 oe more girls working for them, that makes a pretty neat income.
Also it explains why the girls are sometimes charging more than they should. It is business.
HB
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[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]Don't be naive. 90% of the girls in German FKKs do have a manager, pimp, friend. And they have a target to meet every day and hand over to the manager. Can be between 500 and 700 each day. What goes above they can keep. There are managers with 10 or more girls working for them, that makes a pretty neat income.
Also it explains why the girls are sometimes charging more than they should. It is business.
HB[/QUOTE]
Thank you Hessen Bub, I thought I was paranoid that it was just me. It was pretty much in your face seeing the pimps at work being friendly with their working girls collecting the cash from them and reception knowing they were there as they let them in without paying entry.
I even asked later on one of the girls that chatted to the pimps what was going on and she told me to leave it alone. Basically none of my business which is true and I should not have done so. I was just so angry and had to be sure that I was not seeing something that could be explained by other alternatives.
I can see that girls with targets like €500 to €700 mean that they have to suck cock without a condom and fuck at least 11 to 15 guys at €50 a pop to cover the €500 to €700 and the €50 or more entry fee to break even before transport costs, cosmetics outfits, condoms, lube, dildoes, etc...
At Palace behind reception I saw large boxes full of the standard condoms that the girls use there. Hopefully Palace sells these to the girls at knocck down prices.
LBC
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Yes, I do tend to make generalizations..
[QUOTE=Globus]Sorry, Jackyo –don't want to flame you – but this is so incredibly stereotypical.
It's okay sometimes to put things graphically... but it just doesn't correspond with my experiences I had with women respectively their background coming from this country.
Globus[/QUOTE]
.. and yes, it is a stereotype, and yes, I have met exceptions too.
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[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]Don't be naive. 90% of the girls in German FKKs do have a manager, pimp, friend. And a target the have to meet every day and hand over to the manager. Can ne between 500 and 700 each day. What goes above they can keep. There's managers with 10 oe more girls working for them, that makes a pretty neat income.
Also it explains why the girls are sometimes charging more than they should. It is business.
HB[/QUOTE]HB, I am not naive and always assumed that there was some sort of pimp, protection or whatever involved, especially with EE girls. That's the nature of the business.
I just don't want it in my face and I don't have to like it.
Seriously, knowing that some Kosovo Albanian or Turk is collecting half is reason enough for me to stay home and forego FKK. Thankfully I can bury this revolting thought in the back of my mind and still enjoy the sex.
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[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]Don't be naive. 90% of the girls in German FKKs do have a manager, pimp, friend. And a target the have to meet every day and hand over to the manager. Can ne between 500 and 700 each day. What goes above they can keep. There's managers with 10 oe more girls working for them, that makes a pretty neat income.[/QUOTE]
Well, if prostititution is the world's oldest profession, pimping is the second oldest. I'm not sure you can ever seperate the two. Basically, it's probably best to assume if she is from Eastern Europe and looks like she would be happy spending most of her free time in discos (youngish party girl types), I think its a pretty safe bet she has a "manager".
I do think that the 90% number is probably high as I have met a number of women with decent heads on their shoulders that I would doubt are working for someone else.
I was talking recently to a lady about Zwangsprostitution as I was quite comfortable that she was working for herself as her life story was convincing. She said a couple of girls had taken her under their wings and warned her of the common tricks men pull to trap women into working for them. The first is to get to know the women outside the club, likely by romancing her and dating her. Once the man knows enough personal details or even meets her family, he threatens to tell her family about her work if she doesn't agree to work for him. The other scenario was foreign girls that marry a German man they meet in their home country outside of Germany. In this case, once they get to Germay the man forces her to work in the club and may beat her to make she does.
I have met a decent number of women that I am convinced are working for themselves, but also a large number that likely have a "manager" or a bad boyfriend or husband.
I'm not sure laying off of the FKK scene combats the issue in any meaningful way as prostitution will always exist and the German scene is probably among the safest and most humane for the women involved. My personal answer to the issue is to gravitate more towards women that are less likely to be "managed" although I know there are plenty of women among my favorites that have "managers". And treat the women kindly, politely and with respect. You are part of an endless procession of men she is fucking and sucking for a living, so you might as well be nice about it. It is usually appreciated.
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[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase]I won't say what club where I saw this as I suspect it is prevalent anywhere. [/QUOTE]
In the 5 years I've been reading these forums I've occasionally read about the pimp situation, but I've never read about anything close to what you described, with pimps blatantly sitting there in the club taking their money. So it can't be that prevalent (the prevalence of pimps in general with these girls is a different matter, and one that I know absolutely nothing about). The impression I've gotten was that clubs discourage their presence whenever they can.
I really don't understand why you wouldn't tell us which club this was, especially since you found it so distressing. I expect it would upset me as well. Sounds like one we should avoid!
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[QUOTE=CT Dude]I really don't understand why you wouldn't tell us which club this was, especially since you found it so distressing. I expect it would upset me as well. Sounds like one we should avoid![/QUOTE]
Safety of all involved is a good reason. LBC is quite concerned about being outed. He is a rather larger than life character who makes quite an impression at the club. Frankly, neither the club, nor the "managers" want this written about and both can get quite nasty if push comes to shove.
I know its a longshot, but it is not a risk I would take.
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[QUOTE=Radler]Safety of all involved is a good reason. LBC is quite concerned about being outed. He is a rather larger than life character who makes quite an impression at the club. Frankly, neither the club, nor the "managers" want this written about and both can get quite nasty if push comes to shove.
I know its a longshot, but it is not a risk I would take.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough. But is this situation really prevalent, as LBC suggested, or was this an isolated incident at a single club? Or, to phrase it another way and protect the innocent, has anyone besides LBC ever seen fully clothed pimps sitting in a club blatantly collecting their money?
Maybe someone with a lower profile can name some names. Or PM me and I'll spill the beans, 'cuz I got nothing to lose and what the clubs and "managers" want or don't want us writing about is of absolutely no consequence to me!
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[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank] Seriously, knowing that some Kosovo Albanian or Turk is collecting half is reason enough for me to stay home and forego FKK. Thankfully I can bury this revolting thought in the back of my mind and still enjoy the sex.[/QUOTE]
Doctor_Skank,
I think you are safe continuing to visit the FKKs and saunaclubs. It is okay because these guys were not Kosovo Albanian or Turk as you say they were very Central or Eastern European (think short blond haired young guys). The girls they came up to them and knew them were Eastern Europeans.
I just could not believe how blatant it was.
LBC
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Pimps you can see at almost every clubs from former Atlantis to World, Oase, Palace, Samya, GT and and and. They are part of the business and not THAT shy.
Nevertheless you are safe in the FKKs, why should they do any harm to the mongers they (their girls) get the money from? Just be careful when you start and somehow distract their girls from making money. This can get dangerous.
@Radel: To treat all girls nicely is the preferred way, no matter if managers are involved or not. And yes, FKKs for the girls do provide better working conditions than other forms of prostitution, but the psychologig pressure on the girls can be unbelievable. There's also some independent girls who make money for themselves only, from all parts of the world, but there's more girls with managers than most of us think. It's not a nice business, when talking to girls that trust you, you find out things you did not want to know about.
HB
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Pimping versus prostitution
[QUOTE=CT Dude]In the 5 years I've been reading these forums I've occasionally read about the pimp situation, but I've never read about anything close to what you described, with pimps blatantly sitting there in the club taking their money. So it can't be that prevalent (the prevalence of pimps in general with these girls is a different matter, and one that I know absolutely nothing about). The impression I've gotten was that clubs discourage their presence whenever they can.
I really don't understand why you wouldn't tell us which club this was, especially since you found it so distressing. I expect it would upset me as well. Sounds like one we should avoid![/QUOTE]
Most clubs don't allow these guys to show up. It does shock me to read of them so blatantly taking their cut at this unnamed club.
Prostitution is legal. Pimping is not.
The clubs need to keep a lid on this if want to be on the right side of the law.
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[QUOTE=Jackyo]Most clubs don't allow these guys to show up. It does shock me to read of them so blatantly taking their cut at this unnamed club.[/QUOTE]
Huh? Playing spot the pimp at World is a good way to kill time between sessions. One I have seen working security at another unnamed club. There have also been reports of conversations in Romanian between a girl and her manager posing as a guest understood by the monger. How are the clubs supposed to keep these guys out if they are willing to pay the the Eintritt and walk around like a guest at these clubs?
I was surprised as well by LBC's report, simply because it was so blantant. Frankly I was surprised because would not think the clubs would allow this as I suspect it puts them at risk legally. However, I know LBC and he is a trustworthy source, so I do not doubt that it occurred.
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[QUOTE=Radler] Huh? Playing spot the pimp at World is a good way to kill time between sessions. There have also been reports of conversations in Romanian between a girl and her manager posing as a guest understood by the monger. How are the clubs supposed to keep these guys out if they are willing to pay the the Eintritt and walk around like a guest at these clubs?[/QUOTE]
My companion at this club and I discussed the manager in the club observing the girls assessing how much they would be earning. If the managers pooled together and paid one of them to stay at the club to watch the girls then it would be worth it. At World it costs €950 for a monthly pass. So over 30 days in a month that is about €31.67 per day. A reasonable investment to ensure correct accounting by your girls who effectively are funding the €950 monthly pass anyway.
[QUOTE=Radler] I was surprised as well by LBC's report, simply because it was so blantant. Frankly I was surprised because would not think the clubs would allow this as I suspect it puts them at risk legally. However, I know LBC and he is a trustworthy source, so I do not doubt that it occurred. [/QUOTE]
To be frank, it was my companion at this club that spotted it first and I verified it when the cash was going from the girl to the guys and not guys to the girl. They were also dressed as well which made it even more unusual. My companion went to reception to query why dressed men were allowed at the bar and the answer after the receptionist came into the bar area from the front desk saw who it was that we were talking about was that dressed men are allowed in the bar area if all they are doing is drinking.
I wonder how far I would get if I did the same walking into a club and not paying entritt on the basis that I just wanted to drink at their bar.
This part of the bar area to me is inside the club as fully naked girls are wandering past as well as men in just towels or robes.
LBC
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[QUOTE=CT Dude]In the 5 years I've been reading these forums I've occasionally read about the pimp situation, but I've never read about anything close to what you described, with pimps blatantly sitting there in the club taking their money. So it can't be that prevalent (the prevalence of pimps in general with these girls is a different matter, and one that I know absolutely nothing about). The impression I've gotten was that clubs discourage their presence whenever they can.
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I have seen many pimps hanging around in the clubs with a towel or robe checking on their chicks, but never heard of dressed men collecting then leaving. Like Hb said most of these women are pimped & if it bothers you then you should not play in any country as they are most likely pimped too.
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Pimps shock you??!! I have seen a few drop off girls at clubs. Especially considering the large Eastern European population of women at these clubs, its not a surprise. Cocoon even has some living quarter for the women, I noticed there was a tunnel that clients are not allowed to enter and it connects to another building.
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The smaller clubs don't allow this
[QUOTE=Radler]Huh? Playing spot the pimp at World is a good way to kill time between sessions. One I have seen working security at another unnamed club. There have also been reports of conversations in Romanian between a girl and her manager posing as a guest understood by the monger. How are the clubs supposed to keep these guys out if they are willing to pay the the Eintritt and walk around like a guest at these clubs?
I was surprised as well by LBC's report, simply because it was so blantant. Frankly I was surprised because would not think the clubs would allow this as I suspect it puts them at risk legally. However, I know LBC and he is a trustworthy source, so I do not doubt that it occurred.[/QUOTE]
It may be possible to play this game at World but these guys have a Hausverbot at the smaller clubs.
Having them hanging around does put the clubs at a legal risk.
In a large club they can get away with it.
I've had several women say to me things like: "My boyfriend this or that.. or my husband this or that."
The pimp status of this boyfriend or husband is never clear.
One thing is for sure: when they say something like this, some guy out there there is banging her bareback. Makes you think twice about going down on a chick like this.
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No rose colored glasses here...
But what we pay for is the illusion. If a chick I fuck has a pimp, c'est la vie. Still, I don't need to know about it and part of the appeal of this whole scene (to me at least) is that they shouldn't be in your face. In the situation LBC described they clearly were.
I rank pimps lower than whale shit. But I'm pragmatic enough to maintain an "out of sight, out of mind" attitude (perhaps some would call it denial). Either way, it only works if they are indeed out of sight.
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[QUOTE=Henio]@Jackyo: Girl who can milk a goat eh? That's a winner for my money.[/QUOTE]LOL. Goat Friend Experience. These acronyms always confused me.
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Goat Friend Experience, indeed!
[QUOTE=Toscana]LOL. Goat Friend Experience. These acronyms always confused me.[/QUOTE]
I've never been to Romania.
All that I've see of it was in the movie "Borat". Though it supposedly takes place in Kazahkstan, those village scenes were filmed in Romania.
Nothing against goats, by the way. There is nothing like a good [i]fromage de chevre[/i] every now and then.
The next time you session with one of these women and you ask yourself where her handjob technique comes from, wonder no longer. She has learned from experience that that extra squeeze of the tip at the end extracts more juice.
And some of you may wonder what happens to these women after their careers are over. Thirty or forty years down the road, what becomes of them? Its a legitimate question.
As Marlow has speculated here before, next time you pass an old woman (a Babushka) muttering to herself at a bus stop, you should turn around and imagine what she used to look like when she was in her twenties.
A lifetime of trying to outrun mounted Cossacks swinging swords would make you paranoid too.
Brings to mind Tennyson's "The Charge of the Light Brigade" and the days of Empire.
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[QUOTE=CT Dude]But what we pay for is the illusion. If a chick I fuck has a pimp, c'est la vie. Still, I don't need to know about it and part of the appeal of this whole scene (to me at least) is that they shouldn't be in your face. In the situation LBC described they clearly were.
I rank pimps lower than whale shit. But I'm pragmatic enough to maintain an "out of sight, out of mind" attitude (perhaps some would call it denial). Either way, it only works if they are indeed out of sight.[/QUOTE]
Pimps maybe lowlifes, but your insults are basically like the people protesting China by hoisting themselves on the Golden Gate bridge with cables that are made in China, absolute futility. Just because prostitution is legal in Germany does not mean that its free of some unpleasant elements.
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Pimps maybe lowlifes, but your insults are basically like the people protesting China by hoisting themselves on the Golden Gate bridge with cables that are made in China, absolute futility. Just because prostitution is legal in Germany does not mean that its free of some unpleasant elements.[/QUOTE]
Well duh! Dude, you completely missed my point.
My point wasn’t to insult pimps or even make any statement at all about how prevalent they are or how we may or may not be supporting their enterprises (and I'm STILL not making or implying any such statement). Obviously I don’t like them; who here does? But I plainly acknowledged they exist.
Regardless of their existence, I don’t want to be confronted by them. Their unmistakable presence would likely be a continuous reminder of the seedier side of the business, which isn’t exactly conducive to me having a good time, and that’s what I’m there for in the first place. Maybe they’re always gonna be there, and maybe if I wanted to try and pick them out I could, but that’s not something I personally would ever do. If they’re discreetly hanging out keeping an eye on their girls, it’s not gonna affect me one way or another because I wouldn't even notice (I’m not saying I tacitly approve, but it is what it is). Out of sight, out of mind. LBC’s account piqued my interest because it sounded so unavoidable. And it seems it made him at least as uncomfortable as I imagine it would make me, probably even more so.
[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase] I stood at the bar thinking and mouthing "wankers, wankers, wankers" at them and as they walked past me I called them "fuckwits" and "cocksuckers". They just ignored me and waved at the receptionist as they left.[/QUOTE]I really meant to throw in an “attaboy” for that, but I forgot. But he shouldn’t have been put in that position to begin with, and apparently the club, or at least some employees, were totally complacent. Like I said in the first place, that sounds like a club we should avoid.
That’s all.
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[QUOTE=Jackyo]It may be possible to play this game at World but these guys have a Hausverbot at the smaller clubs.
Having them hanging around does put the clubs at a legal risk.
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Actually, I have it on good authority that there are pimps at Berndt's. You probably don't haven't noticed them as they aren't as young, nor are the the hard-bodies of their counterparts at the big Hessen clubs. Their supporters are very vocal and loyal, pointing to their superior [i]Ausstrahlung[/i] over their counterparts at larger clubs as well as their consistently superior service.
Radler (runnning and ducking)
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[QUOTE=Radler]Actually, I have it on good authority that there are pimps at Berndt's. You probably don't haven't noticed them as they aren't as young, nor are the the hard-bodies of their counterparts at the big Hessen clubs. Their supporters are very vocal and loyal, pointing to their superior [i]Ausstrahlung[/i] over their counterparts at larger clubs as well as their consistently superior service.
Radler (runnning and ducking)[/QUOTE]
It's a well-known fact that Edith, the evening thekefrau is actually a famous pimp in drag. That's where she gets her wonderful demeanor from. LOL
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Connie at Bernds
[QUOTE=Iseeu]It's a well-known fact that Edith, the evening thekefrau is actually a famous pimp in drag. That's where she gets her wonderful demeanor from. LOL[/QUOTE]
Could it be that this is why Connie is always so charming and so delightful whenever I see her? :)
I've asked before if anyone had the pleasure of taking Connie out for a spin, so to speak, before she decided to switch to the other side of the counter but so far I've not met anyone who has said yes.
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2 Days in DE and 1 day in the DAM
Just got back to my hotel from visiting my favorite DAM RLD lady. Provides GFE including BBBJ and DATY in a 1 hour session for 100 Euro. Better value for money than some not-to-be-named FKK clubs. LOL
Of course, I've been visiting her during my periodic trips to DAM for almost 2 years so YMMV. She's widely reviewed on Ignatz, but is convinced that I'm marketing her skills on this forum, because she's been getting an upswing in demand lately from Anglo speakers. The experience with her is always enhanced by my hightened senses caused by some newest and greatest weed that my old college buddy who lives here, finds for each visit, and ensures that I sample before going off to visit her. Life is GOOOOOD.
I was also able to mix business with pleasure in Germany the previous 2 days, and, despite some last minute scheduling changes arranged by my ever too eager PA, which necessitated dropping Bernd's from my schedule, still managed to visit 3 clubs in the course of 30 hours. Beverly's FKK gang bang night was hotter than ever, Freudenberg has undergone a generational change (a popular term in the US these days) dropped its MILF image, and now deserves more attention (thanks Radler and others for promoting it), and Villa Vertigo, which I was greatly anticipating, was a huge disappointment.
Planning on writing longer reports during the flight home and posting on each, but thought that I'd just raise a big CAUTION sign and suggest avoiding VV until it gets its act together and recruits a reasonable lineup of SP. Some of the Dutch guys and I were joking that the place looked more like an upscale gay sauna, than an FKK. Never been to a wh*rehouse, where no one, and I mean no one, was f*cking. Very disappointing visit. 1st time in a long time, that I was actually looking forward to leaving an FKK without even one session under my belt. It's a shame because the facility with the sommergarten and pool now open and accessible, is very nicely done.
L8r
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[QUOTE=Radler]
Radler (runnning and ducking)[/QUOTE]
Radler,
No need to run.... I thought the others made clear in the Bernds thread that fair criticism of Bernds was welcome as the place is not for everyone. ;-)
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[QUOTE=Monger Man]Radler,
No need to run.... I thought the others made clear in the Bernds thread that fair criticism of Bernds was welcome as the place is not for everyone. ;-)[/QUOTE]
Yes, they do tend to say that, but get rather defensive when I point out a number of the women at Berndts at least appearance-wise would fit comfortably into the Laufhaus environment or point out the claims on the service level are somewhat exaggerated.
That said, there are two good reasons to visit Berndts: 1) for historical purposes (we all do owe this club a debt for its place in monger history) 2) budgetary purposes (you like an FT finish but don't like to pay for it as an extra).
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I thought the sister club of Bernd's St. Augustine was the superior one, too bad its been closed for a very long time.
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[QUOTE=Iseeu]Freudenberg has undergone a generational change (a popular term in the US these days) dropped its MILF image, and now deserves more attention (thanks Radler and others for promoting it), and Villa Vertigo, which I was greatly anticipating, was a huge disappointment.[/QUOTE]
Not sure I was promoting the place (F39). Just reporting my visits. Glad you enjoyed it, some of the women and the club are undiscovered gems. Suggest you write a review.
Yes, VV is weird. Great facilaties, but the quality of the women is seriously lacking. Should have read my and LBC's reports before going there. Only reason I go there is because a friend likes it and I don't mind a slow day in the middle of a week long FKK/Sauna campaign. A review of VV would also be nice.
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Villa Vertigo
[QUOTE=Radler]Yes, VV is weird. Great facilaties, but the quality of the women is seriously lacking. Should have read my and LBC's reports before going there.[/QUOTE]
Villa Vertigo trip reports:
Radler [post]749627[/post]
LBC [post]749839[/post]
Kind regards
Londonbasketcase
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Reports
[QUOTE=Radler]Not sure I was promoting the place (F39). Just reporting my visits. Glad you enjoyed it, some of the women and the club are undiscovered gems. Suggest you write a review.
Yes, VV is weird. Great facilaties, but the quality of the women is seriously lacking. Should have read my and LBC's reports befiore going there. Only reason I go there is because a friend likes it and I don't mind a slow day in the middle of a week long FKK/Sauna campaign. A review of VV would also be nice.[/QUOTE]
I read your reports as well as others on the local forums. Due to the mixed reports coming out, I was aware of the VV situation, but I visited it anyway so that I can have my own knowledge base filled in, as I had not been there since its opening. I also had to travel anyway to AMS so it was "on the way". I agree that no expense was spared in designing and building these classy, stylish facilities, still, it was a really bad visit.
As I wrote, I'll file my reports of Beverly, Freudenberg (where I hooked up with your friend Sophie) and VV as time and my other responsibilities allow. Patience.
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Ah yes!
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]I thought the sister club of Bernd's St. Augustine was the superior one, too bad its been closed for a very long time.[/QUOTE]
Anyone who had the pleasure of visiting the Sankt Augustine-Meindorf club before it closed will agree with you.
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Big Brother is active in Norway
I was reading that the Norwegian government is soon going to pass a law prohibiting Norwegians from purchasing sex in Norway and abroad.
How are they going to enforce this? Well, the police are supposedly going to be allowed to use phone tapping/electronic surveillance!?
This must be against EU law. It has to be.
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[QUOTE=Jackyo]This must be against EU law.[/QUOTE] I do not know about that, but in any case, Norway is NOT part of EU.
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Norway not a member
[quote=everhard]i do not know about that, but in any case, norway is not part of eu.[/quote]norway is not a part of eu, but as iceland and lichtenstein they have a eea treaty with eu and eu laws are implemented automatically.all 3 countries pays a lot of money to eu to be a part of the common eu market.
to make this law for norwegian it is like saying that they should drive accordingly to norwegian speedlimits when in germany(i believe 100km is max in norway!)
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Now this would be the height of...
[quote=timmendorf]to make this law for norwegian it is like saying that they should drive accordingly to norwegian speedlimits when in germany(i believe 100km is max in norway!)[/quote]
... ridiculousness!
for all the stereotypes and complaints one has of germany and germans, their autobahnspeedlimits and their acceptance of prostitution are the two things they definitely have right.
studies have shown that aggressive feminists have tilted the us educational system so in favor of girls versus boys that boys are now at a disadvantage.
there aren't many places left when men can just be themselves and behave badly. germany is one of those few places.
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[QUOTE=Jackyo]I was reading that the Norwegian government is soon going to pass a law prohibiting Norwegians from purchasing sex in Norway and abroad.
How are they going to enforce this? Well, the police are supposedly going to be allowed to use phone tapping/electronic surveillance!?
This must be against EU law. It has to be.[/QUOTE]
Similar law in the USA to ban "sexual tourism". Since prostitution is illegal in the USA, you can be prosecuted when you return home if you violate that law overseas....
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[quote=dfwdude]similar law in the usa to ban "sexual tourism". since prostitution is illegal in the usa, you can be prosecuted when you return home if you violate that law overseas....[/quote]
um, no. the protect act of 2003 prohibits us citizens or permanent residents from engaging in international travel with the purpose or effect of having commercial sex with a person under 18, or any sex with a person under the age of 16. facilitating such travel is also illegal.
frankly, i have no problem with this law as people who travel to 3rd world countries which condone or turn a blind eye to ****d prostitution such switzerland for the purposes of having sex with a prostitute under the age of 18 deserve to be prosecuted. my main concern is some poor 16-18 yo guy will get snagged by this law if he has a 15 yo girlfriend overseas.
to date, there has been one prosecution of an alleged sex tour operator, ironically by the then new york attorney general, elliott spitzer. to date, the case against the operator, big apple oriental tours of new york, has been dismissed twice.
i wouldnt recommend bragging to customs and immigration that you just returned from a german fkk fuck fest vacation. however, i don't believe there would be any legal basis for prosecution in the us.
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[quote=radler]um, no. the protect act of 2003 prohibits us citizens or permanent residents from engaging in international travel with the purpose or effect of having commercial sex with a person under 18, or any sex with a person under the age of 16. facilitating such travel is also illegal.
frankly, i have no problem with this law as people who travel to 3rd world countries which condone or turn a blind eye to ****d prostitution such switzerland for the purposes of having sex with a prostitute under the age of 18 deserve to be prosecuted. my main concern is some poor 16-18 yo guy will get snagged by this law if he has a 15 yo girlfriend overseas.
to date, there has been one prosecution of an alleged sex tour operator, ironically by the then new york attorney general, elliott spitzer. to date, the case against the operator, big apple oriental tours of new york, has been dismissed twice.
i wouldnt recommend bragging to customs and immigration that you just returned from a german fkk fuck fest vacation. however, i don't believe there would be any legal basis for prosecution in the us.[/quote]
most people do not think of germany as a sex tourist destination like thailand and brazil, in most cases us customs will probably not even say anything at all to you since you are coming back from a first world country. in any case pay for everything in cash and just say you went for a sightseeing vacation.
i don't know about norway but many finlandians go to estonia for p4p. in the case norway, have you ever seen their women? there are many of them who go backpacking through australia, and they are easily some of the most attractive women in the world. norwegian dudes have no real excuse to escape their women like those in the uk and north america.
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur] Norwegian dudes have no real excuse to escape their women like those in the UK and North America.[/QUOTE]They don't? Do you know what feminism is? If you think your country has been hit hard by that it's only because you haven't been to Norway and/or Sweden yet.
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well eastern europe and russia are not too far off for norwegians and poms can also go to the east. i heard of people taking weekend trips to the east but for americans its impossible to go to sa for a quick trip. flight to brazil from the us is looooong and its getting real expensive. eastern and central europe is fairly affordable for people from the west, especially with all those strong currencies.
oh yeah i heard in scandanavian countries women make men sit on the toilet when they [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111][CodeWord111][/url], that is messed up. anyhow i prefer germany, eastern europe, and russia. feminisim in germany is nowhere near as strong as in north america, although it still exists there but maybe the country's strong catholic influences kept that under check.
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Flight to Brazil from the US is looooong and its getting real expensive. .[/QUOTE]How about Mexico and the Caribbean ?
Meindorfer
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Scandinavians going on weekend trips
@CBGBConnisur
Yes a lot of Scandinavians go on weekendtrips to Czech (it is Central Europe, not East!), Poland and the baltic states. But monngering works best in Germany! Even if you can have better prices sometimes in theese countries, the standard and safety in the clubs are far better in Germany in general.Scandinavian couples also go to swingers clubs in Netherland and Germany.
US citizens should have good opportunities in Mexico.Or sneak via Can Cun to
Cuba? Canadiens are only 3,5 hours from Cuba? Lucky guys, can fly direct.50.000 arrives each week!
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur] I heard of people taking weekend trips to the East but for Americans its impossible to go to SA for a quick trip. Flight to Brazil from the US is looooong and its getting real expensive. [/QUOTE]
Been looking into San Jose, Costa Rica...flights from New York, Boston and Chicago are very cheap (mid 300's). Houston and Florida also have cheap rates (being so close). From what ive read its not a big 'tourist' city but the place is loaded with girls. For those with airmiles...25k gets you a free flight in the states/canada. For 35k you get a free flight to San Jose.
p.s. the new iphone just came out. would there be a demand for one at a fkk club if I brought a new one along?
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[QUOTE=Meindorfer]How about Mexico and the Caribbean ?
Meindorfer[/QUOTE]
True, I've been to Tijuana like three times now. It is about one hour's bus ride from San Diego.
Cheers,
Londonbasketcase
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This would only really apply...
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Feminisim in Germany is nowhere near as strong as in North America, although it still exists there but maybe the country's strong Catholic influences kept that under check.[/QUOTE]
.. to Bayern, which, most Germans will agree, is like an entirely different country in and of itself... hence the mostly miserable P4P scene once you cross the border.
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There are HUGE numbers of Norwegian and Swedish backpackers who go to Australia every year and a good number who migrate to the country, I always found them far more approachable than North American and British women. New York women are the most aggressive and snotty women on the planet, that is my frame of reference since I used to live there, only London women are almost as bad.
South America is expensive if you have greenbacks, Brazil has become a pricey destination, people who have Euros and other currencies are better off there.
Its a lot easier for a European to travel East than for an American to go to Latin America.
Tijuana??!! What a shithole!! I prefer Germany, and you should also watch out for AIDS in a lot of third world countries. Quality vs. price Tijuana does not compare favorably to FKK clubs.
German women are nowhere near as feminist as American and Anglo Canadian women. Of course they are not doormats like those women from Asia and Latin America.
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Re. Scandinavian women, some are sweet and some are bitches, there are both types.
But I think this has more to do with her personality than with feminism. Besides there's nothing wrong with feminism when it's about equal pay for equal work and similar things.
But of course when extreme feminism is on the agenda all the time the whole society becomes more harsh, more politically correct etc.
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what does any of this
...have to do with mongering in Germany?
Let's get back to the thread's topic. None of your opinions about Mexico, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Costa Rica, Estonia, Brazil, Thailand, Czech Republic, Poland, New York and Australia (did I miss a country?) have anything to do with mongering in Germany. Please find somewhere else to vent and give us back our board.
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Well, most of the FKKing is pretty much around Dusseldorf-Koln-Bonn and the rest of the NRW and Frankfurt(Hessen). I remember the a guy from California used to run a guided tour, one of his partners still runs this tour operation for FKK clubs.
I never had a bad experience with a German woman in Germany, in fact my best FKK experiences have been with the Fraus. Some guys like Russians, I found them to be an acquired taste. When I used escort services back in the States, many of the Russian escorts often had some garlicky funk on them, many of them had garlic breath and I used to think that all Russians and CIS stink like that, and that put me off of a lot them. I used the services of a German woman in the US and found her to be a lot cleaner than most Russians I ran into. But I find the Russian women in Europe to have far better hygiene than their counterparts in the US, and the ones in FKK clubs definitely keep themselves in top knick.
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Sorry
[QUOTE=Iseeu]...have to do with mongering in Germany?
Let's get back to the thread's topic. None of your opinions about Mexico, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Costa Rica, Estonia, Brazil, Thailand, Czech Republic, Poland, New York and Australia (did I miss a country?) have anything to do with mongering in Germany. Please find somewhere else to vent and give us back our board.[/QUOTE]We were only comparing with Germany and praising german FKK.Here is your board back
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fra and Dus are listed as number
6 and 7 as the best cities to live in the world. Could it be the FKKs?
http://finance.yahoo.com/real-estate/article/105235/The-World's-Best-Places-to-Live-2008
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[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase]True, I've been to Tijuana like three times now. It is about one hour's bus ride from San Diego.
Cheers,
Londonbasketcase[/QUOTE]
Tijuana is overrated & a little dangerous. 7 years ago my friend & I were meeting up with some of our friends when the taxi driver was setting us up & taking us to the barrio. This was not our first time to TJ & we knew we were being set up. I squeezed the taxi driver's neck & dug my thumbs into his pressure points & cut off his air circulation & told him either take us back or die. My friend was getting ready to break his neck when all of the sudden he understood some English & wisely drove us to our original destination.
TJ is also very dirty & shaddy. I would recommend going with a group of 4-5 people. Traveling with someone with martial arts training is a plus. Do not drink the water!
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Frankfurt, Dusseldorf, and Munich have been rated as among the best cities in the world. In the UN survey which focused on whole countries, neighboring France and Holland were listed as better countries.
Melbourne and Vancouver usually top that survey and for the first time they did not.
Sydney got a rating of 10, funny, I met a girl from Dusseldorf who is trying to move to Sydney, says its her dream to live there.
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Top Ten IPM Sightings
„Top Ten IPM Sightings“
10) Flippin’ Schweinsteaks at Golden Time.
9) Playing his own version of “Hide the Bratwurst” in the Oase Kino
8) Singing “When, Irish Guys are Buying” to the colleens at Happy Garden
7) Looking for lovely ladies who will lip-lock his little Leprechaun at Living Room
6) Bummed out and disappointed that the rumors of a naked
Mary Robinson at Yin Yang turned out to be false
5) Telling the gals at Flamingo Island, “You’ve started an Easter Uprising in my shorts.
4) Thumbing through his mini Duden at Palace, looking for the correct translation for, “What! We still have 15 minutes left you thieving gypsy cow!”
3) Waiting at the Pohlheim exit, broke and half naked holding a big cardboard sign with the words, “WILL SHAG FOR FOOD” written on it.
2) Checking out the ISG board on a PDA at Villa Vertigo, trying to find out from LBC’s posts where he is supposed to be at 12:47 PM the next day, which hotel he is booked into, what the rate is, and how many and which birds his is planning to boff.
1) Running off to one of the outdoor huts at World with a cute dandy for a little “Cottage Pie.”
Slàinte,
Dedalus
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Carrot Cake with cream cheese icing
[QUOTE=Vito Corleone]
TJ is also very dirty & shaddy. I would recommend going with a group of 4-5 people. Traveling with someone with martial arts training is a plus. Do not drink the water![/QUOTE]
Hi Vito Corleone,
Maybe I had a death wish but for all my three separate visits where I passed through Tijuana I went alone.
I don't know any martial arts but I can cook a decent carrot cake with cream cheese icing.
Regards
Londonbasketcase
(A poor lonesome LBC a long long way from home)
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Top Ten IPM Sightings
Dedalus,
[QUOTE=Dedalus] 2) Checking out the ISG board on a PDA at Villa Vertigo, trying to find out from LBC’s posts where he is supposed to be at 12:47 PM the next day, which hotel he is booked into, what the rate is, and how many and which birds his is planning to boff. [/QUOTE]
This is hilarious and I take your point. I do like to plan as when it all comes together I get that thrill of completion or when it veers off to left field I can work out what I need to do to bring it back into line.
I usually do not have plan of which girls I going to boff as I do not know which girls are going to be working where and when. This is part of the reason I am a punter as I am taking a punt with a venue or girl that they will give me a good time.
Kind regards
Londonbasketcase
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A general question on mongers/punters
To All,
I have a question to the all readers: why do the FKK clubs or any brothel for that matter get so many guys that are good looking model types or are well built body builder types or even both?
I look at these guys and think that they can pick up girls anywhere and fuck them for free. If I was as confident and handsome as them I would be trying it on with any girl that takes my fancy and not visiting escorts, saunaclubs, brothels or FKKs.
It is ordinary guys like me that have to pay for it.
What are other people's view on this general observation?
Regards
Londonbasketcase
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[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase]they can pick up girls anywhere and fuck them for free. [/QUOTE]
As Charlie Sheen so eloquently put it
"I don't pay them for sex, I pay them to leave ..."
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Creamed Cheese
[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase]I don't know any martial arts but I can cook a decent carrot cake with cream cheese icing.
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Hmm- I don't know about that creamed cheese topping. Looks a little slimy to me. Knowing some of LBC's predilections it looks a little suspect. Is that your own home made variety? LOL
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Sticky biscuit games
[QUOTE=Iseeu]Hmm- I don't know about that creamed cheese topping. Looks a little slimy to me. Knowing some of LBC's predilections it looks a little suspect. Is that your own home made variety? LOL[/QUOTE]
Iseeu,
No its not my own semen if that is what you are referring to. I would need to be pumping the stuff out of my dick for weeks in advance to get enough. Hahaha.
I use Philadephia brand of cream cheese mixed in some fresh lemon juice and icing sugar to create a lemon cream cheese icing.
Anyway thanks for the thought. Sticky biscuit games were left well alone in my youth.
Cheers
Londonbasketcase
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Prague or NordRhein Westfalen for 5 day visit?
Hi All,
I have a bit of a decision to make. I booked a 5 day trip to Prague (flight £65) in Dec 07 when I did not know how much I enjoyed the German FKK clubs. On Monday I booked for the same dates of 10-14 July a trip to NordRhein Westfalen for £6.42. The car hire if I went ahead with a NordRhein Westfalen trip is €92.50 for the 5 days. Now having booked the two flights it gave me the option of doing for the same dates either a trip to Prague and its brothels or the sauna clubs of NRW.
You may ask why I did this.
I had someone I know drop out of visiting Prague and then reading the Prague reviews I was getting mixed results for pay for play action. Prague escorts and clubs seem quite pricey but not as bad as London but getting there. However, Prague is a great city to visit because of what other aspects culturally it has to offer. Then the sex side is also mixed where you pay at times London prices for mediocre service.
So these Prague reports and the potential absence of a companion who I suspect is pulling out prompted me to say I may as well go somewhere I know and enjoy and I am happy going to on my own. The thing that gets me is that clubs in the middle of villageland NordRhein Westfalen is not Prague for non mongering activities.
I am just wondering for those who have recent experiences of Prague and of NordRhein Westfalen sauna clubs what you would do given your vast experiences. Would you do the Prague cultural thing for 5 days and dip your toe in Prague's evening sex scene with a bit of warning of what to expect or go with what you know and go back to NRW to the saunaclub girls that you enjoy but the entire trip is about the clubs?
Thank you for your comments. I am tending towards going to NordRhein Westfalen for 5 days of sauna clubs but I know after I have this that I will regret not having been to Prague again (last time I visited was 2001) to see the changes. It is just going alone to a city like Prague that can be lonely as I no group meet ups whereas when I stay in a Nord Rhein Westfalen saunaclub all day I am not alone and I always meet another English speaker or usually an Ice Bear allows me to join their group. I have a great time interacting with the girls and the Ice Bears where I know that sort of comraderie will not happen in Prague unless I do the backpacker thing. Meeting someone in your hotel to spend 5 days with doing tourist things is harder to do but I have done it.
I welcome your thoughts on where better to spend my euros and my time off.
Kind regards
Londonbasketase
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In Prague you will need more luck to get good sex than in NRW. And you will have to work much harder for it. Prices are rising to German levels.
The clubs in P. have few good reports these days. Certainly poorer than the FKKs, and services (ZK, BBBJ, CIM) are a big, big limiting issue. Leaves the escorts (can be good, but bait-and-switch is rampant, and extras ramp up the cost quickly), or the privats. The latter can be very good indeed and cheaper, but you need planning, time, organisation and a little luck. There will be language difficulties. If you like hunting, they are great. But most of the privats pack up by early evening, so combining them with tourism during the day doesn't really work.
My advice: don't try to get the best of both worlds. Go to Prague to enjoy a world-beater city (but 5 days?). Maybe try the clubs or a recommended escort in the evening, but anticipate disappointment. Or go to Prague to work for your luck with the privats and don't expect to have time for tourism. (If you want to get a feeling for what that entails, you'll find what I and others wrote on that on the RoD thread in CzechRep. A bit old now, but not much has changed.)
If you want good sex practically guaranteed: NRW.
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Those well built guys in the clubs could be pimps. Who really knows?? For some its more convenient to go to a club and pay for it than get into a relationship.
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Exactly
Toscana,
Agree completely - words of wisdom from an experienced guy.
I just go to the FKK´s now.
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[QUOTE=Toscana]In Prague you will need more luck to get good sex than in NRW. And you will have to work much harder for it. Prices are rising to German levels.
The clubs in P. have few good reports these days. Certainly poorer than the FKKs, and services (ZK, BBBJ, CIM) are a big, big limiting issue. Leaves the escorts (can be good, but bait-and-switch is rampant, and extras ramp up the cost quickly), or the privats. The latter can be very good indeed and cheaper, but you need planning, time, organisation and a little luck. There will be language difficulties. If you like hunting, they are great. But most of the privats pack up by early evening, so combining them with tourism during the day doesn't really work.
My advice: don't try to get the best of both worlds. Go to Prague to enjoy a world-beater city (but 5 days?). Maybe try the clubs or a recommended escort in the evening, but anticipate disappointment. Or go to Prague to work for your luck with the privats and don't expect to have time for tourism. (If you want to get a feeling for what that entails, you'll find what I and others wrote on that on the RoD thread in CzechRep. A bit old now, but not much has changed.)
If you want good sex practically guaranteed: NRW.[/QUOTE]
Toscana,
Thank you for the advice. I will write off the GBP£65.46 for the Prague flight and go to NRW. I might be able to claim back some government taxes on the unused flight but there is always an admin fee that is effectively the taxes that you paid.
NRW I know I will enjoy because of the plentiful sex and high calibre service that is possible. The Prague pay for play scene does seem hit and miss. I will go back to Prague one day but maybe for a weekend to enjoy the sights only and have a night or two visiting the clubs. I have never mongered in Czech Republic although I have fucked a few Czech girls in my time. The Czech girls I have done in London and Germany seem to like anal sex. What fun!!
I have even wrote out a planned sauna club visit schedule of the venues that I have not been to that I should try in NRW. There is one which I am uncertain about but I know I need to bust my cherry there to claim my wings as a hardened German club visitor.
Wish me Fortuna's luck everyone!!!
Londonbasketcase
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I recall the guys at ********** who ran the FKK tours were raving about Prague back in 2001 as being a cheap alternative to Germany. Things have changed a lot since then. Prague is one of the top European destinations for general tourism and the prices have gone up accordingly. These guys were raving about Czech women. I personally like Ukrainians the most.
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I know alot of punters use Ryan Air. I came across this video regarding Ryan Air's long haul service:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfIY24BErBE[/url]
For the record, its Blasen or Franzoesich.
Since we have established the price at 50 E, probably cheaper to buy and economy class ticket and pay ala carte.
BTW, I think I saw the translator in GT once.
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Good clubs in Hamburg?
Hi there,
I will be visiting Hamburg soon and was shocked not to find any recent info on the FKKs there. Have been to Palace in Frankfurt and really liked it. Anything similar in Hamburg?
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[QUOTE=JoyofSex]Hi there,
I will be visiting Hamburg soon and was shocked not to find any recent info on the FKKs there. Have been to Palace in Frankfurt and really liked it. Anything similar in Hamburg?[/QUOTE]
In Hamburg there is FKK 125 and FKK Atmos in Harburg.
[url]http://www.fkk-125-hh.de[/url]
[url]www.atmos-saunaclub.de[/url]
HB
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Wi-Fi inside the clubs?
GT, LR and VV claims they provide W-LAN inside the club. Is this service free of charge? What about Hessen big threes and the others? Do they have similar services?
That would be handy to check the incoming e-mails from the office. It is a bit merciless, knowing that your colleagues are suffering because of work loads while you are mongering, mais c'est la vie.
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[QUOTE=Creature2]GT, LR and VV claims they provide W-LAN inside the club. Is this service free of charge? What about Hessen big threes and the others? Do they have similar services?
That would be handy to check the incoming e-mails from the office. It is a bit merciless, knowing that your colleagues are suffering because of work loads while you are mongering, mais c'est la vie.[/QUOTE]
Never see any customer use wi fi in GT. But heard the same rumor
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World claims to have WiFi, never found one with my ipod touch. Palace and Oase don't provide that service. For German residents a UMTS broadband connection is the right thing to choose.
HB
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[QUOTE=Xavier Yves]Never see any customer use wi fi in GT. But heard the same rumor[/QUOTE]
GT does indeed have WiFi. I have even done a bit of live reporting from there. LR and VV have Wi Fi as well.
Never have found a signal at the Hessen clubs.
Cheers,
Dedalus
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[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]World claims to have WiFi, never found one with my ipod touch. Palace and Oase don't provide that service. For German residents a UMTS broadband connection is the right thing to choose.
HB[/QUOTE]
I remember Fred writing live reports on the front entrance stairs @ World.
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[QUOTE=Vito Corleone]I remember Fred writing live reports on the front entrance stairs @ World.[/QUOTE]
I think he was just taking notes
I do however recall World advertising that they were offering WiFi in the beach club area, or maybe I am mistaken.
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[QUOTE=Henio]I do however recall World advertising that they were offering WiFi in the beach club area, or maybe I am mistaken.[/QUOTE]
They do. But nevertheless I did not find one.
HB
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Blue Note
Does anyone know if Iuliya is still working at the club...i'll be back in town this month end ...
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[QUOTE=SesameKing]Does anyone know if Iuliya is still working at the club...i'll be back in town this month end ...[/QUOTE]
For the last 5 years or so, I would estimate at least 20-30 Julias (or similar names) have worked there. It is one of the more popular "club names" the girls use along with all the "A" name (Alexandra, Andrea, Andra, Anita....).
I would suggest you give a bit more detailed description.
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[QUOTE=Henio]I think he was just taking notes
I do however recall World advertising that they were offering WiFi in the beach club area, or maybe I am mistaken.[/QUOTE]
I think he was getting ready to practice his 1 handed push ups with .............
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Iuliya
She's romania with black hair...used to be there last yr when i visited her twice...have some detailed reports about her in my previous post...
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My month long vacation is coming up and im divided between many locations Thailand, Philiphines, Rio and now FKK franfurt...basically,,,monger friendly destinations and high number of post in ISG on a perticular location. :)
I'm from India and last time i was in singapore, philphines and i had to confront with some form of racial preduice while visting bars and clubs...it took some form of snake charming tactics or in say spending more money than usual to get laid at first and then after a while things became normal.
All in all the trip was great....but the first experience was a bit shaky and had to adjust myself.
I read radler's report that..his friend was denied entry while visting a FKK because of race.
After reading the FKK thread..i really want to give FKK a try ..but am afraid if my whole experience becomes bad...
After reading the reports FKK oase, palace, world seems to be most popular..
It seems no indians or asian's visit these places or there are no reports from asian guys visiting FKK in ISG.
Could someone guide me..what will be my experience like in FKK being a non-white guy and also if im allowed in and good to go..which hotels to stay close to Fkk's ...
I mean by non-white guy indian or brown people :D as some times people from other races are good to go..:)
i know we smell bad as i was pointed by many bar girls and they were right.its just the spicey based food we eat....but i promise to take two showers daily and apply whole sets of deo..if only i get an entry..i will do anything to be in :D
Thank You.
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[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]I'm from India and last time i was in singapore, philphines and i had to confront with some form of racial preduice while visting bars and clubs...it took some form of snake charming tactics or in say spending more money than usual to get laid at first and then after a while things became normal.
All in all the trip was great....but the first experience was a bit shaky and had to adjust myself.
I read radler's report that..his friend was denied entry while visting a FKK because of race.
After reading the FKK thread..i really want to give FKK a try ..but am afraid if my whole experience becomes bad...
After reading the reports FKK oase, palace, world seems to be most popular..
It seems no indians or asian's visit these places or there are no reports from asian guys visiting FKK in ISG.
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Lots of Asian's visit the 3 big Frankfurt clubs and you shouldn't have a problem at Palace, Oase or World. They're all use to getting foreign visitors. The worst case is that there may be a few SP who will avoid you, but most will judge you by the color and smell of your Euros and not the color and smell of your skin.
Radler's report (and there have been others) was referring to one of the NRW clubs, which are sometimes less foreigner friendly.
Palace is in Frankfurt proper and very accessible from downtown, so any centrally located hotel will do. The Flemings hotel is right next door and is a good place, but if you stay there, there's not alot to do, except to spend time in Palce. Probably better if you stay near the main train station. From there you can take public transportation to Palace and to Oase. Look at those threads for travel instructions.
Njoy...and post.
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[QUOTE=Born Loser 5] My month long vacation is coming up and im divided between many locations Thailand, Philiphines, Rio and now FKK franfurt...basically,,,monger friendly destinations and high number of post in ISG on a perticular location. :)[/QUOTE]
I recommend Thailand - relaxing and the food is great. Take a four wheel off road vehicle into the mountains and go hiking. I did. I have not been to the Philippines or Rio. I go to Deutschland for the autobahns, doner kebabs, over 200 types of wurst, marvel at all the beers, schweinsteaks, and the girls.
[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]I read radler's report that..his friend was denied entry while visting a FKK because of race. [/QUOTE]
I was not there at the gate but they were coming to meet me at at a NRW club. I was waiting for them with a crew of Nederlander ijsberen. I was distraught that they were not allowed in when advised by SMS. I went to VV to find them sans ijsberen. It was not the first time that our friend was told entritt war verboten.
I later consulted a Deutsch Turkei ijsberen at the same club on what happened and he says these things happen to both whites and non whites.
The club has the right to deny entritt. These clubs are private establishments not public services. In saying that I have seen non white Americans and non white British in the clubs as well but mainly in Hessen rather than NRW.
The ijsberen then pointed out a supreme Deutsch hottie to me and recommended her to me. She was not my type but he was trying to broaden my horizons of going for "my type". Boy was I glad I did as she was a great session pumping me dry with her boobs, muschi, hands and mouth before throwing me out of the zimmer.
She was tall, golden haired, blue eyes, huge mammaries, tattooed something fierce, well made up, haughty looking and confident looking down on me as to say - in normal life I would not even look at your unlovely pock marked face.
Later on as some Nederlands ijsberen were hauling me around the club introducing me to random girls as their pick up gimmick saying to the girls "we have a rare thing here - this is LBC from the UK" and I got called "cute" by the same haughty Deutsch girl. What a turnaround that a good session does for rapport!!
Anyway I am digressing.
[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]After reading the FKK thread..i really want to give FKK a try ..but am afraid if my whole experience becomes bad... [/QUOTE]
Please do try the FKKs. It is an international experience which I think that you will enjoy. Bring plenty of euros and bags of energy. I survive on about 3-4 hours sleep when I am in Hessen because the clubs close at 04:00 or 05:00 and open again at 10:00. IN NRW I get more sleep as the clubs open at 11:00 and close at 01:00.
[QUOTE=Born Loser 5] After reading the reports FKK oase, palace, world seems to be most popular.. [/QUOTE]
All the Hessen big three are popular. Do not limit yourself to one. Once there you will find it hard to resist having just one session. I know on my first trip to Palace I had about 6 sessions in the one evening.
[QUOTE=Born Loser 5] It seems no indians or asian's visit these places or there are no reports from asian guys visiting FKK in ISG. [/QUOTE]
You will find Asians in the Hessen clubs.
At Oase there are a couple of Indian girls working - they speak Deutsch and English. Palace also has Asian girls and at World I recall seeing one Asian girl but World has fewer than Oase and Palace generally.
For more preponderance of Asians posting about visiting brothels try using the world wide web the Asian forums. I stumbled across them one time when I was bored surfing the internet one day. I cannot read Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Thai, Turkei, Arabic, Hindi, Urdu, - all these people are Asians per your definition. I can only read what is written when the writers post in English (generally Hong Kong and Singapore writers and USA people of Asian descent ) but I have seen them.
I understand Macau is a great place to visit. My friends go there about once a year. Try Sauna 18. You get selections of Koreans, Thais, Chinese, Filipinas and Russians.
I have not checked many African sites. I have seen the odd post by South Africans some websites. They recommend the FKKs of Deutschland naturally. The reference is usually to guys who say they cannot get girlfriends or want some penile relief and are travelling through Europe.
[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]Could someone guide me..what will be my experience like in FKK being a non-white guy and also if im allowed in and good to go..which hotels to stay close to Fkk's ... [/QUOTE]
You will be fine. Just go.
[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]but i promise to take two showers daily and apply whole sets of deo..if only i get an entry..i will do anything to be in :D [/QUOTE]
Don't worry about showers you will have plenty. I shower when I arrive, I shower after each session with a girl which is between 3-5 times, then I also shower before getting into the whirl pool, I shower after a sauna, I shower after swimming in the swimming pool, I shower if I sit in the sunshine for extended periods (e.g. approx 2 hours) then I shower before leaving the club.
My skin is drying out by all this washing and using the provided liquid soap. I think the girls think I fuck like a dozen girls a day as they always walk by me showering at some time indicating I have just finished a session with a hottie.
I think I prefer a dozen krispy kreme donuts. Hmmmm.
Kind regards
Londonbasketcase
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Asian visitors
[QUOTE=Iseeu]Lots of Asian's visit the 3 big Frankfurt clubs and you shouldn't have a problem at Palace, Oase or World.
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I second that. You see lots of Japanese, Koreans, Indians and other Asians visiting the big Frankfurt clubs (Palace, Oase, World).
Not so much in the big NRW clubs (GT, PHG, Living Room etc.), where the clientele is more German, Dutch, Belgian, French (the neighbouring countries) etc. But you'll find Asian visitors there, too.
Globus
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Phones
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]World claims to have WiFi, never found one with my ipod touch. Palace and Oase don't provide that service. For German residents a UMTS broadband connection is the right thing to choose.
HB[/QUOTE]Are you allowed to have your phone in the German clubs?
The Swiss ones that I have been to have big signs "No Mobile Phones allowed anywhere"
Thanks
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[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]My month long vacation is coming up and im divided between many locations Thailand, Philiphines, Rio and now FKK franfurt...basically,,,monger friendly destinations and high number of post in ISG on a perticular location. :)
I'm from India and last time i was in singapore, philphines and i had to confront with some form of racial preduice while visting bars and clubs...it took some form of snake charming tactics or in say spending more money than usual to get laid at first and then after a while things became normal.
All in all the trip was great....but the first experience was a bit shaky and had to adjust myself.
I read radler's report that..his friend was denied entry while visting a FKK because of race.
After reading the FKK thread..i really want to give FKK a try ..but am afraid if my whole experience becomes bad...
After reading the reports FKK oase, palace, world seems to be most popular..
It seems no indians or asian's visit these places or there are no reports from asian guys visiting FKK in ISG.
Could someone guide me..what will be my experience like in FKK being a non-white guy and also if im allowed in and good to go..which hotels to stay close to Fkk's ...
I mean by non-white guy indian or brown people :D as some times people from other races are good to go..:)
i know we smell bad as i was pointed by many bar girls and they were right.its just the spicey based food we eat....but i promise to take two showers daily and apply whole sets of deo..if only i get an entry..i will do anything to be in :D
Thank You.[/QUOTE]
It kind of depends on what you like.
I like Thailand. It is an interesting place. That said, you better like Thai girls. I have also heard stories about anti-Indian attitudes amongst the girls. But if you can't get laid in Thailand, you can't get laid anywhere.
Club was GT. Suspect you might have issues getting in. I would advise you try it but be sure you have a backup plan.
If you are not familiar with Germany, I suggest you start with Frankfurt. Palace is easy to get to without a car. It has a very international clientel. But do read my guide in ROD on what to say and how to act as the place is somewhat sharky, particularly for newbees.
Oase is also very good and you should have no issues getting in. You need to drive, or follow one of LBC's guides for getting there on using the S-Bahn and a taxi or walking. Very good place for newbees.
This is just me, but I wouldn't go to World if I were Indian. They woud probably let you in, but the crowd ca be somewhat intimidating. I'll probably get flamed for saying this, but that's my opinion.
NRW is FKK 102. Once you get your feet wet, try NRW. But start out in the Frankfurt big three.
So, where's a white guy who finds Indian women amazingly attractive to go in India fora monger vacation <grin>?
Cheers,
Radler
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[QUOTE=Trabic]Are you allowed to have your phone in the German clubs?
The Swiss ones that I have been to have big signs "No Mobile Phones allowed anywhere"
Thanks[/QUOTE]In almost all the clubs you are still allowed to use your mobile phone.
But I don't think that will be very long : See also Iseeu in Villa Vertigo. He is someone who is taking photos inside a club with his mobile phone and putting it on the internet. And that will be the end for the mobile phone in german clubs. And I take Iseeu as an example but many people are doing that also without any permission.
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[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]
It seems no indians or asian's visit these places or there are no reports from asian guys visiting FKK in ISG.
Thank You.[/QUOTE]Hi,
just to second all the comments below that as a fellow asian of the yellow skin type, I had no problems gaining entry to Oase. There were in fact a couple of Koreans and Chinese the last time I was there.
Just go and enjoy.
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[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]My month long vacation is coming up and im divided between many locations Thailand, Philiphines, Rio and now FKK franfurt...basically,,,monger friendly destinations and high number of post in ISG on a perticular location. :)
I'm from India and last time i was in singapore, philphines and i had to confront with some form of racial preduice while visting bars and clubs...it took some form of snake charming tactics or in say spending more money than usual to get laid at first and then after a while things became normal.
All in all the trip was great....but the first experience was a bit shaky and had to adjust myself.
I read radler's report that..his friend was denied entry while visting a FKK because of race.
After reading the FKK thread..i really want to give FKK a try ..but am afraid if my whole experience becomes bad...
After reading the reports FKK oase, palace, world seems to be most popular..
It seems no indians or asian's visit these places or there are no reports from asian guys visiting FKK in ISG.
Could someone guide me..what will be my experience like in FKK being a non-white guy and also if im allowed in and good to go..which hotels to stay close to Fkk's ...
I mean by non-white guy indian or brown people :D as some times people from other races are good to go..:)
i know we smell bad as i was pointed by many bar girls and they were right.its just the spicey based food we eat....but i promise to take two showers daily and apply whole sets of deo..if only i get an entry..i will do anything to be in :D
Thank You.[/QUOTE]
With a name like yours, your negative vibe might just ruin your trip whereever you go.
I must have seen around 15 Indians @ Palace last night & I have seen Indians @ World & Oase also. Everything should be fine & some women might not go with you because of whateever reasons they have. Just try again with another chick. You might be denied entry in the NRW clubs though.
India is just as racist as any other country & maybe a little worse. Ask any lower caste Indian how it feels to be an untouchable then maybe you can start taking things with a grain of salt.
ISG members that I know are from all cultures. We all have our nick names & not all of us are European. Just relax & enjoy the hot women.
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Being Indian
I am also an Indian and confess having faced discrimination at Thailand, inspite of being well dressed and am world travelled.
Let me say, at the outset, if there is discrimination, it is because of some of our bretheren, and it is not only at such joints but can be anywhere.
Having said, I have mongered in Germany and last month at Dusseldorf, (See report at Doce Vita)I must say I did not face any discrimination. Period!
All the same wherever I have faced, elsewhere than Germany, I saw to it with my behaviour it got eradicated, so my friend
Go ahead and have a ball!
[QUOTE=Vito Corleone]With a name like yours, your negative vibe might just ruin your trip whereever you go.
I must have seen around 15 Indians @ Palace last night & I have seen Indians @ World & Oase also. Everything should be fine & some women might not go with you because of whateever reasons they have. Just try again with another chick. You might be denied entry in the NRW clubs though.
India is just as racist as any other country & maybe a little worse. Ask any lower caste Indian how it feels to be an untouchable then maybe you can start taking things with a grain of salt.
ISG members that I know are from all cultures. We all have our nick names & not all of us are European. Just relax & enjoy the hot women.[/QUOTE]
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A BIG THANK YOU to Iseeu, Londonbasketcase, Globus, Radler, Bigbird747, Vito Corleone & Wandere.
Wow...That was comprehensive and my confidence level is boosted to a next level in just one day of reading all reports. :)
I like Thailand too, guess will divide my time between the two places as both are too hard to resist and my mind and my thingy can't seem to pick up a single location when it comes to choices of women :)
I will report on the tour as soon as i get my visa to Germany as they need all sorts of documents for a first timer and proof that i will come back to India less they think i could be a potential illegal immigrant..hell they would be right ..if FKK really clicks ...I don't mind being an illegal immigrant and spending my life & money lurking around FKKs :D
If i need any specific info's i will contact you guys again as most of the infos are already in the forum.
A big THANK YOU again.
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[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]A BIG THANK YOU to Iseeu, Londonbasketcase, Globus, Radler, Bigbird747, Vito Corleone & Wandere.
Wow...That was comprehensive and my confidence level is boosted to a next level in just one day of reading all reports. :)
I like Thailand too, guess will divide my time between the two places as both are too hard to resist and my mind and my thingy can't seem to pick up a single location when it comes to choices of women :)
I will report on the tour as soon as i get my visa to Germany as they need all sorts of documents for a first timer and proof that i will come back to India less they think i could be a potential illegal immigrant..hell they would be right ..if FKK really clicks ...I don't mind being an illegal immigrant and spending my life & money lurking around FKKs :D
If i need any specific info's i will contact you guys again as most of the infos are already in the forum.
A big THANK YOU again.[/QUOTE]
BL5,
I am latino and don't look anglo at all. I had no problems getting into Blue Note, Cocoon, PT Dorsten. I do not know about the other clubs as Goldentime. I noticed some girls did not want to interact due to that they did not speak english or did not understand. On those I moved on as there were other fish in the pond.
Best,
Dick
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Born Loser
Hi BL 5,
I know you from the Mumbai Forum and am sure you would know me as well. Being an Indian I understand your feelings.
I have been to two FKK's, Samya in Cologne and Palace in Frankfurt.
In both these places you are very well welcome by the management. However, there are some girls who may not like your skin colour. Avoid them like the plague. There are a lot of options to enjoy. You may also read my report on the FKK Samya forum.
The trick is to lay back and see which girl is watching you. Go fo her and not for the girl you like. They want money at the end of the day and will sure perform. Be confident and dont act like a novice.
Have fun mongering. Germany is a great paradiso.
Charlie
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[QUOTE=Trabic]Are you allowed to have your phone in the German clubs?
The Swiss ones that I have been to have big signs "No Mobile Phones allowed anywhere"
Thanks[/QUOTE]
Seems to be a fairly recent trend. When the first camera phones came out they were pretty much banned everywhere. I remember a guy talking on his mobile at PSW years ago getting quite alot of attention from the management.
I see people using their phones at VV and GT in the outside areas almost every time I am there.
Funny story, I had my mobile in my robe pocket at VV and had just finished getting a BJ in the Kino. My phone starts vibrating as a call was coming in. I had forgotten I had the phone in the robe pocket. The lady I was with became alarmed at the flashing light and vibrating. I took it out of the pocket and saw it was an eemployee calling me. I decided it was best to let that go to voicemail.
I think a good compromise is to post signs stating mobile use is allowed, but anyone caught taking pictures will get their ass kicked.
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For some reason unknown to me, you will see lot more use of mobile phones in some of the NRW clubs (outside area) compared to f.ex Oase and World. I also do remember the times where it was stricktly forbidden and I for one would like to see it enforced again in all public areas of the club.
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I know I am in the German club section, but here are all the club experts:
Is there something comparable in Barcelona? Somewhere in the city? Same concept, same pricing? Thx.
HB
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[QUOTE=Henio]For some reason unknown to me, you will see lot more use of mobile phones in some of the NRW clubs (outside area) compared to f.ex Oase and World. I also do remember the times where it was stricktly forbidden and I for one would like to see it enforced again in all public areas of the club.[/QUOTE]
Hey,
While this IS true, I have a little different take on the matter. Or at least I did before all of the Villa Vertigo nonsense started.
While GT and LR do not have the "Handys Verboten" rule that the Hessen clubs do, it has never seemed to be abused on any of my visits to those places. I do remember some jackball snapping shots of the main area at GT with his mobile once, but Tatiana saw him and threw him out immediately. On the other hand, I often use my PDA to check emails and sometimes do live reports from GT or LR, and often I have done this under the nose of those club's managements. Of course they know me at those places, but it is kind of an honor thing, and say what you want to about GT's occasional door policy (which by the way, has less to do with skin color or country of origin than it does with guessing who will conduct themselves in a respectful manner) but they do generally maintain a clientele who know what is right and what is wrong, and are discreet without needing to have a rule book shoved in their faces.
Not saying that GT and LR clientele cannot be rowdy. Hell, most of the gents who visit the place are dutch ;-))) But there is an atmosphere respect and honor that puts me at ease if I see some dude open his mobile to make a call or send a text.
The situation at Villa Vertigo might have changed the equation for me a bit and this is really too bad.
Also, for what it's worth, when FKK World has the beach club open, one can use mobiles, computers or whatever in that area. In just about every other nook and cranny of every other Hessen FKK, the managements take the "Handy Verboten" rule quite seriously.
Cheers,
Dedalus
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[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]I know I am in the German club section, but here are all the club experts:
Is there something comparable in Barcelona? Somewhere in the city? Same concept, same pricing? Thx.
HB[/QUOTE]No FKK clubs in Spain,but there is one club south of Barcelona,called club Riviera,cant remember exactly where it is,but all the taxi drivers know it,pricing was comparable to FKK,s,however the facilties are not as good,plenty of girls most Eastern europeans,but IMHO,not as good as FKK,s.
Hope that helps.
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[QUOTE=Dedalus]In just about every other nook and cranny of every other Hessen FKK, the managements take the "Handy Verboten" rule quite seriously.
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They do at Palace, but you can use your phone in the reception area or outside in the small area behind the sauna.
Oase is quite relaxed, everybody (boys & girls) are using their phone outside. I did some calls this week from next to the pool.
HB
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[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]I know I am in the German club section, but here are all the club experts:
Is there something comparable in Barcelona? Somewhere in the city? Same concept, same pricing? Thx.
HB[/QUOTE]Hi again Hessen Bub,
I have now remembered where club Riviera is it is south of Barcelona, in the suburb, called, Casteldelfels, not sure if you can get there by train, but buses go there, maybe a taxi is the best option, thats how I got there.
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[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]They do at Palace, but you can use your phone in the reception area or outside in the small area behind the sauna.
Oase is quite relaxed, everybody (boys & girls) are using their phone outside. I did some calls this week from next to the pool.
HB[/QUOTE]
Hey HB,
I did not know about the sauna area at Palace. Interesting.
I myself have used my mobile outside at at Oase, but I have also had personnel approach me outdoors when they have seen me with an Ipod and remind me that mobile telephones are absolutely not allowed, so I text and telephone rather discreetly. Most girls I know at Oase sneak call or text in the outdoor sauna cabin.
Cheers,
Dedalus
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[QUOTE=Dedalus]...say what you want to about GT's occasional door policy (which by the way, has less to do with skin color or country of origin than it does with guessing who will conduct themselves in a respectful manner)[/QUOTE]
Bullshit
How does one tell a middle aged, well dress, clean, non-white person who has not spoken is likely to conduct themselves in a less than respectful manner?
Look, I understand that in Germany a business may exclude service from whoever they wish, but let's not try to sugar coat or play down what happened.
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[QUOTE=Radler]Bullshit
How does one tell a middle aged, well dress, clean, non-white person who has not spoken is likely to conduct themselves in a less than respectful manner?
Look, I understand that in Germany a business may exclude service from whoever they wish, but let's not try to sugar coat or play down what happened.[/QUOTE]
Hey,
I sugar-coat nothing and although I am a pretty good bullshitter, I was not doing so in this instance.
I know personally several light-skinned, dark-skinned, fat, thin, eastern, western, etc. Gents who have absolutely no problem getting into GT.
Good day to you, Sir,
Dedalus
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[QUOTE=Dedalus]Most girls I know at Oase sneak call or text in the outdoor sauna cabin. [/QUOTE]
Things have changed at Oase. Behind the scenes, and on stage. All girls are using their phones openly and loudly.
HB
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[QUOTE=LongRange]Hi again Hessen Bub,
I have now remembered where club Riviera is it is south of Barcelona, in the suburb, called, Casteldelfels, not sure if you can get there by train, but buses go there, maybe a taxi is the best option, thats how I got there.[/QUOTE]
Thx, I may try that. A friend has been there also.
HB
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[QUOTE=Dedalus]Hey,
I sugar-coat nothing and although I am a pretty good bullshitter, I was not doing so in this instance.
I know personally several light-skinned, dark-skinned, fat, thin, eastern, western, etc. Gents who have absolutely no problem getting into GT.
Good day to you, Sir,
Dedalus[/QUOTE]
No, but I expect if GT were to raise its Eintriit to 51E, you would be one of the first on the boards screaming about the injustice of the price increase.
I never said all non-whites were excluded, or that a non-white would be consistently excluded. My friend was admitted the next day by a different receptionist. I understand the intent may be to exclude troublemakers, but in the instance I witnessed, the execution of this policy took the form of excluding someone because on their race. It is what it is.
Anyone want to fess up to being turned away at GT? A show of hands?
My point is not to call for a boycott or to discourage anyone from going to GT. I still go there. It is simply to inform.
Cheers,
Radler
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[QUOTE=Radler]No, but I expect if GT were to raise its Eintriit to 51E, you would be one of the first on the boards screaming about the injustice of the price increase.[/QUOTE]
Only if the gals there started charging extra for kissing and fingering, and only if the service standards sunk to a level on par with the over-priced slatterns in Hamburg's Herbertstrasse, or the skanky, clap-ridden street walkers practicing their "two-minute-drill" in Frankfurt's Bahnhofviertel. It is certainly my hope that GT never sinks to this level, but if it can happen at Palace, then it can happen anywhere.
[QUOTE=Radler]
I never said all non-whites were excluded, or that a non-white would be consistently excluded. My friend was admitted the next day by a different receptionist. I understand the intent may be to exclude troublemakers, but in the instance I witnessed, the execution of this policy took the form of excluding someone because on their race. It is what it is.
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I do not doubt your word. I have also seen their exclusion policy in action and mostly I have seen it applied to lily white dudes from Holland who might have been a tad young or looking to cash in on 50 Euro worth of beer and a cheap thrill, or some dudes who might as well have had "PIMP" tattooed to their foreheads.
I have no doubt that an injustice occurs at times and this is a shame, but I honestly do not believe they are trying to run an All-White or All-German, or All-Dutch or All-Whatever club. I do believe that they are trying to keep out the riff-raff and IMHO they do a pretty decent job of it.
[QUOTE=Radler]
My point is not to call for a boycott or to discourage anyone from going to GT. I still go there. It is simply to inform.
Cheers,
Radler[/QUOTE]
Your informed opinion is certainly appreciated, along with your razor-sharp wit and commentary. And by all means call for a boycott if you feel it is warranted. Won't bother me. Let freedom ring. I promise to give your observations all of the attention that they deserve.
Cheers,
Dedalus
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[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]Things have changed at Oase. Behind the scenes, and on stage. All girls are using their phones openly and loudly.
HB[/QUOTE]
Hey HB,
Very interesting. It has been about a month and a half since I have been to Oase, but that will change sometime next week. Perhaps we can meet up at some point. I am interested to hear the "Wiesos und Warums" at to "die neue Bühnenanweisung, Bühnenausstattung und Bühnenausgabe.
Cheers,
Dedalus, Bühnenarbeiter wannabe
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[QUOTE=Dedalus]I do not doubt your word. I have also seen their exclusion policy in action and mostly I have seen it applied to lily white dudes from Holland who might have been a tad young or looking to cash in on 50 Euro worth of beer and a cheap thrill, or some dudes who might as well have had "PIMP" tattooed to their foreheads.[/QUOTE]
Out of curiousity, just how many turn aways have you personally witnessed at GT? Were they from outside the gate or at the reception desk?
[QUOTE=Dedalus]I have no doubt that an injustice occurs at times and this is a shame, but I honestly do not believe they are trying to run an All-White or All-German, or All-Dutch or All-Whatever club. I do believe that they are trying to keep out the riff-raff and IMHO they do a pretty decent job of it.
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Didn't say they were trying to run an All-German or All Dutch club. I do think that the anti-riff raff policy in execution for one of the receptionist is certain race (or even subset based on appearance)=riff raff. I also think the character of the club has less to do with door policies and more to do with geography. Brueggen, unlike Frankfurt, isn't exactly a major transportation hub. It is out of the way and as such will not draw the same international crowd (riff-raff and all) as the Hessen big three.
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[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]Things have changed at Oase. Behind the scenes, and on stage. All girls are using their phones openly and loudly.
HB[/QUOTE]
Hi Hessen Bub,
In my experiences at Oase the girls only use their phones in the outdoor area to make calls or usually in the patio area in between the two sauna rooms. I do not see girls using their phones inside the main building.
I also see guys take calls in the garden and not inside the building.
I think this is correct as you cannot get good reception inside the main building. I mean you never hear a phone going off in the valuables lockers and when i check my phone in the valuables locker it says "no signal".
At Palace I can times hear phones ringing in the valuables lockers so at Palace they are not blocked out by the building.
This is so different to the Amsterdam red light district scene where you have paid €50 for 15 minutes of CBJ and CFS then the phone rings and the girl takes the call from her girl friend or her manager is checking up on her. All her talk time and interruption is generally included in the 15 minutes you paid for. Very few if any give you back the time but then the fact she has interrupted the session to take the call is enough to put you off. Anyway this is my experience so others may see different in the Amsterdam RLD.
At Oase or any other FKK or saunaclub I have not had a girl interrupt a session to take or even make a phone call. This is good service to me and is another reason I am reluctant to return to the Amsterdam RLD to punt.
Kind regards
Londonbasketcase
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Yep, no (almost) no signal inside Oase.
HB
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Riveria near Barcelona
Hessen Bub,
[QUOTE=LongRange] I have now remembered where club Riviera is it is south of Barcelona, in the suburb, called, Casteldelfels, not sure if you can get there by train, but buses go there, maybe a taxi is the best option, thats how I got there.[/QUOTE]
This is what I know about Riveria club near Barcelona. On a midweek visit in the early evening you may get around 25 women and later as the evening pumps up at around 11:00 you will get about 50 women. This is Spain so things do not really hot up in terms of visitors until the wee hours.
The girls are from all over the world. You will find all sort so colours there but what I have found is a fair split between the Latin world and the East European worlds.
To elaborate the latin girls were generally not local Spanish but hail from South America and predominately Brazilian. I find the Brazilian women stunning just like I do in England.
The Eastern European girls are mainly Bulgarian and Romania training and bronzing up here in Summer here for dispersion by their managers to the clubs in Netherlands, Germany and Switzerland no doubt or the other way round depending rotating between the clubs.
You find the girls make a circuit of the Madrid clubs, the Barcelona clubs, the Costa Blanca clubs and the Costa Del Sol clubs. A bit like what some girls do in Deutschland moving in between clubs.
Girls are dressed in lots of different lingerie. Some have some really cool outfits. The weekends you will find more girls working so maybe about 30 women in early and then maybe around 75 women later on.
The girls are friendly and speak English in general.
I am not sure where you are staying but taking a taxi from Las Ramblas would be about €30 each way. Like a few of the Spanish puti clubs there is no charge to get in. It is €5.00 for a towel charge. 1/2 hour was €80.00 and 1 hours was €160.00 with Anal as extra. Costa del Sol saw half hour at €70 and gone are the days of the peseta when it was even cheaper.
The rooms were small with small showers so nothing special. Lighting on the dark side. The place is on the small side compared to the Hessen clubs and can get very crowded later in the evening and there is more competition for the good service girls with fantastic looks.
I understand that the Riviera is Russian owned.
As for places in the Barcelona centre you will have many options but the issue is finding them all as they are mainly private apartments. This will take time to do and can be a bit hit and miss. You can visit several apartments before finding a babe that you like and will do the services you want.
In Costa del Sol the private apartments advertise in local free newspapers. I usually pick up the English language ones and start ringing around.
Using apartments is difficult for the non Spanish speaker as English is rarely spoken in these lower end places but the prices are much cheaper and the services more better. On the other hand you feel that there is much more trafficking going on in the private apartments especially when there is a bloke hanging around and does not look like a punter.
Cheers,
Londonbasketcase
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@LBC: Thx for the information. Does Riviera really open at 5pm only? Then I might go and visit one of the appartements before.
HB
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El Riviera in Castelldelfels
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]@LBC: Thx for the information. Does Riviera really open at 5pm only? Then I might go and visit one of the appartements before.
HB[/QUOTE]
I have not been to it when it opens but I understand that it is open all days of the week, from around 17:00 or 18.00 until 05.00. Remember this is Spain so things kick off a lot later than in the Central and Northern European countries.
It is more expensive with the €80 per half hour charge. In Club Estark92 in Torreliminos near Malaga the price was €70 for half a hour. Things may have changed but hopefully they have not. Just expect prices to go up rather than down and the prices will meet expectations rather than not meet expectations.
Be sure to interview the girls for services as CBJ is standard nowadays. Say you want BJ no gummi and move on if she says no. I try to do this but I succumb to CBJ because the girl is just so pretty and I just really want to fondle her arse. It costs €80 she tells you.
Gone are the days of the peseta when for about GBP20 to GBP25 you got BBBJ, DFK, DATY, Covered FS and CIM or COF endings.
This is why I like the Deutschland Clubs so much.
All I can say is thank you for letting us visit your wonderful country and tolerate all us foreigners even though we are Europeans too (or not Europeans for that matter).
It is times like this that I glad UK is a part of the United States of Europe.
Kind regards
Londonbasketcase
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Getting turned away at Goldentime
[QUOTE=Radler] Out of curiousity, just how many turn aways have you personally witnessed at GT? Were they from outside the gate or at the reception desk?[/QUOTE]
When I hang out in the lobby in between the men's changing room and the reception desk facing the gated entrance door I see the entry policy at work. I am standing here usually because in the warmer times it is cool here because of the door is open (but the gate is still there) and also you can catch the girl you want coming back from freshening up from the ladies or you are there waiting for your chosen girl to go get a room key from the room key custodian in the office behind the reception.
I have seen single and groups of guys let in but then next group are not let in. The thekenfrau doing the personal touch by entering the gated cage area to explain to the would be visitors that the place was full. The group that stood out for denial over my many visits was Asians. Each refusal of entry was the gents standing outside the gate and not at the reception desk.
I have had ijsberen tell me that both white and non whites are turned away but agreed that there is an undercurrent of non whites not usually allowed in unless well known. I have not seen large groups of young Dutch that are turned away but I have seen single Asians and groups of Asians turned away at the gate while I have stood there waiting for my girl to go to the room with her. Africans I have not seen turned away but their visitor numbers are so much smaller than Europeans and Asians. However, I do know one friend who is non caucasian has been refused entry when he was coming to meet me there and had been refused a couple of days earlier when he came on his own. In saying that I have seen one West Coast USA African American in GT but only the one. he has been to GT a few times before introducing others to GT. I made acquantainces with him (hi, if you are reading this).
At times I wanted to ask the slim and pretty thekenfrau (i wished she worked as a provider as she has the look I like) why she turned away the one and not the others but realised it was not my place as a guest.
When I discussed this with my UK friends later on they understood my concern and said to me that "all evil needs to thrive is for good people to stay silent". Do your bit.
This was why when my friend was refused entry that day I went to ask why and was backed up by some ijsberen who were there as well. The reply was the club was full which is a euphenism that there was to be no more discussion on the point. We knew that the place was not full and we even checked the lockers to make sure and there were many empty locker doors open.
One alternative is to visit when the club first opens. There is usually a line of guys waiting to enter so when the door opens you just go in and line up to pay just like evryone else when the door opens. They can hardly say they are full at opening time and you have been let in along with all the other visitors to the reception desk. I did this open the club thing one time and there was an mature Asian guy in the line. He got in.
[QUOTE=Radler]Didn't say they were trying to run an All-German or All Dutch club. I do think that the anti-riff raff policy in execution for one of the receptionist is certain race (or even subset based on appearance)=riff raff. I also think the character of the club has less to do with door policies and more to do with geography. Brueggen, unlike Frankfurt, isn't exactly a major transportation hub. It is out of the way and as such will not draw the same international crowd (riff-raff and all) as the Hessen big three. [/QUOTE]
I am always so polite to the thekenfrau and always thank them for letting me in. I would hate it if I was turned away so I sympathise with anyone that has been turned away as it can be a very humiliating experience.
I also thank the bar staff who think it is amusing me trying to speak Deutsch. Just like at Oase they know my drink and when they see me at the bar they just get my drink and put it before me and I go "Danke Schon".
I thank all the staff at Goldentime and say hi to the security guys too although we do not talk much as my Deutsch does not go beyond a few single words (not sentences).
Kind regards
Londonbasketcase
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[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase]...It is more expensive with the €80 per half hour charge.[/QUOTE] €80 is the asking price. Negotiation is expected. You can go as low as €60 for 30 minutes and €100 for 1 hour, although I would say the normal result at Riviera is around €70/€120
[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase]
Like a few of the Spanish puti clubs there is no charge to get in. It is €5.00 for a towel charge. 1/2 hour was €80.00 and 1 hours was €160.00 with Anal as extra[/QUOTE] I have never paid extra for any special service, only time it was mentioned as extra was when I actually met a girl from Oase working at Riveria for few weeks. You just need to make sure it is on offer and include it in the total package. Girl might not want to come down from the €80/€160 asking price knowing that you gonna pound her ass and come in her mouth though.
Sometimes there is a charge to get in, depends on number of factors such as time of night, weekday or weekend, if you are in a group of drunken dudes having a night out etc etc. The charge is couple of more € than a drink costs in the club and the receipt is a voucher for one drink so no big deal.
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[QUOTE=Radler]Out of curiousity, just how many turn aways have you personally witnessed at GT? Were they from outside the gate or at the reception desk?[/QUOTE]
It's just a guess, but I reckon 5 times or so. I am a pretty good regular and have been for some time, but since they took away the couch across from the reception I am not hanging out in that area that often. Only to flirt with Tatiana or snag a gal after getting paid. This could be why I have seen the door policy in action relatively few times in relationship to my number of visits.
Cheers,
Dedalus, who is full of "riff-raff" tendencies, but always tries to mind his manners
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[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]Things have changed at Oase. Behind the scenes, and on stage. All girls are using their phones openly and loudly.
HB[/QUOTE]
I was @ Oase on Friday 6/27 & I also saw many people openly using their cell phones.
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[QUOTE=Radler]Out of curiousity, just how many turn aways have you personally witnessed at GT? Were they from outside the gate or at the reception desk?
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I have seen it done twice & both times were outside the gate. the 1st time A big muscled security guard kind of shook his head & told them it was full. Then the security guard let both Henio & I in about ten seconds later.
The 2nd time I was returning from a quick shower & noticed some young gents turned away outside.
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[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase]
In saying that I have seen one West Coast USA African American in GT but only the one. he has been to GT a few times before introducing others to GT. I made acquantainces with him (hi, if you are reading this).
Londonbasketcase[/QUOTE]
I know an East Coast USA African American guy who visits quite frequently. We both visited GT for the first time 2 years ago.
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Post number 2,000
I don't know how it got to this. It must have something to do with my obsessive-compulsive side or because I tend to be overly communicative in person. The women notice it immediately: [i]Du wirst nicht kommen, wenn du zuviel redest![/i] This is very true. I need to concentrate.
I would have wanted to write an essay with profound thoughts and insight but that will have to wait. It occured to me also that though I initially thought I'd have to wait until 2009 to write a ten year retrospective on hobbying in Deutschland, 2008 is actually my tenth season. 99 was my first, 00 was my second, 01 was my third,... so 08 counts as my tenth season.
I am just back from a trip to NRW where I visited several clubs.
Here are a few quick reviews. I'll also post a set of quick reviews of PTs in the PT section.
Blue Note. I haven't been since at least 2005 so it was time to return. It will not meet the criteria of most guys in this forum and I will not recommend it for that reason. It is small, facilities are basic, the selection is small, food-wise it is nothing to write home about. You've been properly informed. I did, however, have a great time and will return often. Why? The women are mostly the girl next door type. Some of you prefer to look for 8s and 9s; me, I prefer nice looking local girls who are funny, articulate (if they were foreign they had been in Germany for a while and all spoke German well - in other words, they weren't Fresh Off the Bus or FOB as they mostly are at certain not-to-be-named clubs (or off the boat or train or plane, for that matter)) and service-oriented. I don't like that deer-in-the-headlights reaction that I sometimes get from FOB EE women who have nothing upstairs and with whom I have nothing in common. A GFE for me is actually a chick I'd like to hang out with in real life. In real life, I don't hang out with women I can't understand or who aren't very smart.
Samya. Went to check out the renovation. The bar is now in the shape of a U and it juts out way into the center of the ground level room. The couches are still where they were. The card table, surprisingly, still remains. It is against a wall facing the outside area. The outside area is closed during the renovation. Upstairs they've created another contact area and they really threw money at it: it has several flat screen TVs, loveseats in Puff-style upholstery with fake tiger fur trim, black leather chairs and a small bar. Watch your step! They sunk the center of the room [i](Pourquoi? Moi, je n'en sais rien.)[/i] There are also rooms up there along with a bathroom (I believe). I was there on a Saturday and in the middle of the prime evening hours there was a [i]Maennerueberschuss[/i]. Nice selection but you had to scramble to find company. Sitting on [i]Barhocker[/i] for hours on end is tiring, by the way. The women all wait downstairs to make connections. None hang out upstairs.
Bernds. Bernds ist Bernds. Nuff said. Great outdoor activity despite signs near the dressing door saying one shouldn't allow oneself to be visibly excited outside. Ground level floor is now off limits to smoking (supposedly).
I also spent a bit of time in southern Bavaria and Austria, by the way, where I had absolutely no sex.
If anyone has any ideas on where I can screw a chick wearing a dirndl, do let me know. It is becoming a major fetish of mine.
I spent part of the past weekend trying to not be too obvious looking at this chick's cleavage. She was wearing a dirndl and she was just about to burst out of it.
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Club selection guide
I was thinking of creating a questionnaire which would form the basis for a club selection guide.
You would answer a couple of questions, articulate your requirements and it would point you at a club or clubs which met your criteria.
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I saw an African American guy at Living Room who had an uncanny resemblance to Barack Obama. He looked kind of nervous, as if he did not want someone to spot him in a brothel.
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Southern Asians or East Asians at GT?
[quote=Londonbasketbase]I have had ijsberen tell me that both white and non whites are turned away but agreed that there is an undercurrent of non whites not usually allowed in unless well known. I have not seen large groups of young Dutch that are turned away but I have seen single Asians and groups of Asians turned away at the gate while I have stood there waiting for my girl to go to the room with her. Africans I have not seen turned away but their visitor numbers are so much smaller than Europeans and Asians. However, I do know one friend who is non caucasian has been refused entry when he was coming to meet me there and had been refused a couple of days earlier when he came on his own. In saying that I have seen one West Coast USA African American in GT but only the one. he has been to GT a few times before introducing others to GT. I made acquantainces with him (hi, if you are reading this).[/quote]
Hey LBC,
Are you referring to Southern Asians from the sub-continent or to East Asians?
The impression I have is that they focus on Northern Africans, Middle Easterners (Arabs) and Turks. I could be wrong.
To avoid the chance of being turned away at this club get there early. Also, have a back up plan.
Or better yet, don't go. I think GT is a good club but large clubs just aren't my scene. It will be a while before I return to it and guess what? I'm not missing anything.
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Don't underestimate the value of communication
[QUOTE=Dick Rambone]BL5,
I am latino and don't look anglo at all. I had no problems getting into Blue Note, Cocoon, PT Dorsten. [b]I do not know about the other clubs as Goldentime. I noticed some girls did not want to interact due to that they did not speak english or did not understand. On those I moved on as there were other fish in the pond.[/b]
Best,
Dick[/QUOTE]
Yes, you can get by with sign language and yes, English is spoken a lot, blah-blah-blah.
But it is quite a different experience when you can actually communicate with her. It puts her more at ease; it puts you more at ease.
Some women don't want to deal with it and will make themselves scarce not to have to do so.
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Thanks Chico and Dick for the advise..but unfortunately...it looks like I'm no where close to getting a visa..:(....on the day i posted here.. there was a front page article on a daily (DNA) regarding Indians and Indians from even britain finding it very hard to get a schenzen visa..
Everyone is a potential immigrant for them.... ;)
Chico..how did you manage to get the Visa
Well..I will be hoping to make UK my base on HSMP visa :) that should make it easier to go around EU.
Till that time..my travel agent has suggested to go to Macau..wow...after going thorugh the embassy site......that is the only country worth mongering though managed by China allowing indians visa free travel for 30 days..yeah not even visa on arrival is required..i can just hop in with my bag and get out on macau in less than 5 hours...no need to circle around embassies....
Thailand does it but have to get a visa on arrival..which is ok too..just one hour wait on the desk..
Did all forum hopping and it does seem a good place to check out...not a casino fan but still wanting to see the biggest casino and third largest office building in the world plus lots of WGs and sauna to choose from ( this should keep me from the disappointment to not making FKK this time :( )
Well it seems..its now BKK>>>Macau>>>Manilla for me :)
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]I saw an African American guy at Living Room who had an uncanny resemblance to Barack Obama. He looked kind of nervous, as if he did not want someone to spot him in a brothel.[/QUOTE]
That seals the deal for me, I've voting for Obama.
I'm one of those guys who thinks the only thing Eliott Spitzer is guilty of is over paying.
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Ways of getting pass the strict door policy
[QUOTE=Vito Corleone]I have seen it done twice & both times were outside the gate. the 1st time A big muscled security guard kind of shook his head & told them it was full. Then the security guard let both Henio & I in about ten seconds later.
The 2nd time I was returning from a quick shower & noticed some young gents turned away outside.[/QUOTE]
Hmmm, I think I had better turn up for my next visit with a big cheesy grin looking imploringly at the security camera with a big box of belgian finest chocolates and a huge bouquet of seasonal flowers for the receptionist so ensure I am let in future.
I hope that they remember me.
Cheers,
Londonbasketcase
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[QUOTE=Jackyo]I was thinking of creating a questionnaire which would form the basis for a club selection guide.
You would answer a couple of questions, articulate your requirements and it would point you at a club or clubs which met your criteria.[/QUOTE]
You could, but in some respects part of the fun of going from a newbee to an oldbee is trying different clubs and seeing what you like (and dislike). But if you insist, I'll take a stab at some questions. I would create a 5 point scale and survey the experienced mongers anmd come up with averages. Of the top of my head:
Club:
1. Size
2. Indoor facilities
3. Outdoor facilities
4. Food
5. Drinks
6. Room availability
7. Cleanliness
8. Smokiness
9. Customer/racial exclusion policy
10. Parking convenience
11. Public transportation convenience
12. Clientel
13. Kino action
14. Couch action
15. Management
Girls:
1. Average age
2. Average appearance
3. Diversity (Africans, Asians, Latinas, etc. in addition to EE and German girls)
4. Service
5. Sharkiness
6. Approach policy
7. Number of girls at 4PM weekdays
8. Number of girls at 9PM weekdays
9. Number of girls at 4PM weekends
10. Number of girls at 9PM weekends
I'm sure others can improve on this.
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[QUOTE=Jackyo] Are you referring to Southern Asians from the sub-continent or to East Asians? [/QUOTE]
Jackyo,
Please I am only answering the question because you asked. I did not want to get flamed by the PC brigade here.
I meant Asians from the West and to an extent South Asia. East Asians I have seen a plenty in the clubs.
[QUOTE=Jackyo]The impression I have is that they focus on Northern Africans, Middle Easterners (Arabs) and Turks. I could be wrong.[/QUOTE]
In answer I tend to agree.
[QUOTE=Jackyo]To avoid the chance of being turned away at this club get there early. Also, have a back up plan. [/QUOTE]
Yes, this is the tactic that I suggested. If you turn up at opening time and th door opens to let in all the guys waiting as well then they cannot say its full and the door is open and you are lined up too. Its not the done thing to single you out and say you are not welcome in front of all the other customers.
[QUOTE=Jackyo]Or better yet, don't go. I think GT is a good club but large clubs just aren't my scene. It will be a while before I return to it and guess what? I'm not missing anything. [/QUOTE]
Another good suggestion Jackyo. There is a wealth of clubs across the Nederlands, Belgium, Deutschland, Switzerland and Austria for us to attend. This club is not the only one, but in saying that this club has a hold of my heart with a suite of my favourite A list girls working here.
I am hoping to see them soon for some marvellous catch up sessions.
I am already in training mode - beefing up my vitamin intake with fruit and vegetables and abstaining from performing the Barclays before bed and also when I wake up. Hey - it helps me sleep and wake!!!
Kind Regards
Londonbasketcase
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Presidential candidates
[QUOTE=Radler]That seals the deal for me, I've voting for Obama.
I'm one of those guys who thinks the only thing Eliott Spitzer is guilty of is over paying.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but I've seen alot more guys that look like McCain...
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Macau
[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]Thanks Chico and Dick for the advise..but unfortunately...it looks like I'm no where close to getting a visa..:(....on the day i posted here.. there was a front page article on a daily (DNA) regarding Indians and Indians from even britain finding it very hard to get a schenzen visa..
Everyone is a potential immigrant for them.... ;)
Chico..how did you manage to get the Visa
Well..I will be hoping to make UK my base on HSMP visa :) that should make it easier to go around EU.
Till that time..my travel agent has suggested to go to Macau..wow...after going thorugh the embassy site......that is the only country worth mongering though managed by China allowing indians visa free travel for 30 days..yeah not even visa on arrival is required..i can just hop in with my bag and get out on macau in less than 5 hours...no need to circle around embassies....
Thailand does it but have to get a visa on arrival..which is ok too..just one hour wait on the desk..
Did all forum hopping and it does seem a good place to check out...not a casino fan but still wanting to see the biggest casino and third largest office building in the world plus lots of WGs and sauna to choose from ( this should keep me from the disappointment to not making FKK this time :( )
Well it seems..its now BKK>>>Macau>>>Manilla for me :)[/QUOTE]
You could do worse. The Macau sauna clubs are amazing. Go to "18". You will never see a lineup of more than a hundred absolutely gorgeous Asian women like that anywhere in the world. The facilities are unbelievable, with jacuzzis, saunas, chair showers, different types of massages, full-service restaurant, a cinema and even bunks to sleep in if you want to stay the night.
And Bangkok isn't too shabby either.
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Jackyo's 2000th
[QUOTE=Jackyo]I don't know how it got to this.[/QUOTE]
My friend,
Wow- I remember your 1000th post- wasn't too long ago...
On behalf of all of the FKK afficianados here on the board- Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.
Your knowledge and understanding of all things related to the German sex scene is unique and invaluable, and your informative and sometimes tongue in cheek posts have contributed immensely to the development of this board into a first source resource for English-speaking mongers.
You've certainly helped me and I'm sure countless others to discover the joys of this scene. May our pleasure be your pleasure.
Your obssessive compulsive behavior is a godsend. To paraphrase someone equally as famous "If you didn't exist we would have had to gone out and created someone just like you."
looking forward to your 3000th....
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[QUOTE=Iseeu]Yeah, but I've seen alot more guys that look like McCain...[/QUOTE]
Q. Do you know what the women at Berndts call John McCain?
A. The young, buff guy.
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[QUOTE=Iseeu]You could do worse. The Macau sauna clubs are amazing. Go to "18". You will never see a lineup of more than a hundred absolutely gorgeous Asian women like that anywhere in the world. The facilities are unbelievable, with jacuzzis, saunas, chair showers, different types of massages, full-service restaurant, a cinema and even bunks to sleep in if you want to stay the night.
And Bangkok isn't too shabby either.[/QUOTE] I know this is a bit off-topic, but as someone who has visited 18 sauna in Macau couple of times, I second what Iseeu says. IMO it kicks ass of any FKK I've been too. Increadible lineup, the folks who run these places actually understand the meaning of customer service and this comes from a die hard FKK fan. I would say all things considered, 18 sauna in Macau is the closest thing I have come to a perfect brothel, and I've been to quite a few of them brothels around the world. Rio sauna is another high end establishment. Macau has over 30 sauna clubs of various qualities (18 and Rio consistently rank at the top end). I would say the only drawback is the lack of verbal communication with the girl before you commit to a session, but then again, I've never had a bad session there either. For those who like to know more, check out the ROD in Macau thread.
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[QUOTE=Radler]Q. Do you know what the women at Berndts call John McCain?
A. The young, buff guy.[/QUOTE]
Heh, Heh, Heh.
Q: And do you know what the Palace sharks call John McCain?
A: Fresh meat
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[QUOTE=Iseeu]Heh, Heh, Heh.
Q: And do you know what the Palace sharks call John McCain?
A: Fresh meat[/QUOTE]
A: DADDY!!
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[QUOTE=Iseeu]You could do worse. The Macau sauna clubs are amazing. Go to "18". You will never see a lineup of more than a hundred absolutely gorgeous Asian women like that anywhere in the world. The facilities are unbelievable, with jacuzzis, saunas, chair showers, different types of massages, full-service restaurant, a cinema and even bunks to sleep in if you want to stay the night.
And Bangkok isn't too shabby either.[/QUOTE]
Yes...Macau is the new sin city ..:) The quality and selections are better it seems from what i have read in the forums but the cost of lay is also higher. All top class WG hang around casino to get in the ATMs of high rollars :)
Thanks
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Thanks, Iseeu!
[QUOTE=Iseeu]My friend,
Wow- I remember your 1000th post- wasn't too long ago...
On behalf of all of the FKK afficianados here on the board- Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.
Your knowledge and understanding of all things related to the German sex scene is unique and invaluable, and your informative and sometimes tongue in cheek posts have contributed immensely to the development of this board into a first source resource for English-speaking mongers.
You've certainly helped me and I'm sure countless others to discover the joys of this scene. May our pleasure be your pleasure.
Your obssessive compulsive behavior is a godsend. To paraphrase someone equally as famous "If you didn't exist we would have had to gone out and created someone just like you."
looking forward to your 3000th....[/QUOTE]
Considering we all want to grow up sometime to be like you, I take this as a compliment!
Now if I could just come up with something profound and insightful to write about...
We will hook up the next time I am sure.
We all are looking forward to your 1000th post.
I am considering slowing down on posting and waiting for you to catch up.
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[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase]Hmmm, I think I had better turn up for my next visit with a big cheesy grin looking imploringly at the security camera with a big box of belgian finest chocolates and a huge bouquet of seasonal flowers for the receptionist so ensure I am let in future.[/QUOTE]
Actually, I'm inclined to try this, if just for laughs. The next time I approach GT with a non-white friend, I will have a box of Godivas on hand. If she comes out into the cage to signal "Voll!", I will smile meekly and offer her the box of Chocolates.
When she becomes puzzled and mutters something like "Was ist das?", I will reply, "Weil du shoene Augen hast." We probably won't get let in (and I will be personally permanately barred as a nutcase), it will be worth it for the laughs.
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FKK Freudenberg in Bochum is known to turn away non white guests. A friend of mine went there and a girl ran hysterically to the door saying Germans only. GT is owned by the same people who own Living Room which has some of the brownest women in Germany for a sex club. I don't think GT discriminates, neither does PHG. Both clubs though would turn away large groups of Turks.
Bernd's is also known to be a racist club as well. Even though they have minority women in their club.
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]FKK Freudenberg in Bochum is known to turn away non white guests. A friend of mine went there and a girl ran hysterically to the door saying Germans only. GT is owned by the same people who own Living Room which has some of the brownest women in Germany for a sex club. I don't think GT discriminates, neither does PHG. Both clubs though would turn away large groups of Turks.
Bernd's is also known to be a racist club as well. Even though they have minority women in their club.[/QUOTE]
OK, I'm going to say something nice about Berndts. A non-white friend asked me about whether I though he would be admitted to Berndts before going and I said I didn't know, but thought there was a good chance he would not be admitted. As it turns out, I was wrong and he was admitted.
GT has excluded him twice, once in my presence, so this combined with LBCs reporting indicates to me that GT does exclude based on race. There doesn't appear to be a consistent policy between door staff as someone turned away by one receptionist may be admitted by another.
F39, I asked the question of the receptionist as I have a couple of non-white friends I wanted to introduce to this gem. For the record, I have never seen any non-white guests, but this club is very much oriented to the locals stopping in for a long lunch, or stopping in on the way home from work (I guess you can alway blame the Stau). It has an active forum on the ice bears, so clearly the Dutch have discovered it. The receptionist told me that the club is for Germans only. She went on to say that they admit me because I speak German even though they know I am not German. Her tone was such that she suggested if my friends spoke Germen, maybe, but probably not. I took this as it was unlikely my my non-white friends would be admitted, even if they spoke German. So I'm not surprised about your story.
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Bernd's open door
[QUOTE=Radler]OK, I'm going to say something nice about Berndts. A non-white friend asked me about whether I though he would be admitted to Berndts before going and I said I didn't know, but thought there was a good chance he would not be admitted. As it turns out, I was wrong and he was admitted.
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I have met non- white guests at Bernd's- Asians, blacks, Turks, etc.- on many occasions. One of the Ijsbears whom I met at the club, and is an infrequent poster here as well, is actually an Afro-American. The claim by a previous poster that it has a racist entry policy is simply untrue.
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[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase]Hmmm, I think I had better turn up for my next visit with a big cheesy grin looking imploringly at the security camera with a big box of belgian finest chocolates and a huge bouquet of seasonal flowers for the receptionist so ensure I am let in future.
I hope that they remember me.
Cheers,
Londonbasketcase[/QUOTE]
I do not know what the big deal is about the door policy @ GT. I visited 3 times last October & the lineup was good, but nothing to write home about. A friend of mine called it "CRAP" but it was not that bad.
The next time I visit they either let me in or they don't. Whatever. I will just bring my stack of euros to another club.
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Anyone ever Make a LIST of the Different Countries Girls are from?
One of the things I've always found intriguing about the FKK scene is that you can meet girls from so many different countries and cultures in such a small place (especially a place like Oase).
While reading through some recent FKK reports I saw reference to girls from countries that I hadn't met before in the FKK scene. Places like Lebanon, Serbia, Albania, Macedonia, Switzerland, half-Egyptian, etc..
It got me thinking that I've been lucky enough to have had sex with girls from All around the Globe, a good many of them thanks to the awesome variety that you get in the FKK clubs. So decided to make a List. I usually gravitate to the Europeans, especially the Eastern Europeans, when I'm at FKK's but I was amazed at how many different countries I've conquered (at least for 30-60 minutes or so).
I was wondering if anyone else ever made a list of the different Nationalities of the Girls they managed to have Sex with?
Here's mine:
French
German
Dutch
Flemish (the only girl with unshaved armpits I've had)
Spanish
Italian
Czech
Slovakian
Slovenian
Croatian
Austrian
Bulgarian
Romanian
Hungarian
Moroccan
Ukrainian
Russian
Estonian
Latvian
Lithuanian
Turkish
Belarus
Greek
Kazakhstan (Chantel of Oase and Jamilla of Bernds born there)
Persian
Canadian
French Canadian (didn't speak any English)
Korean
Dutch/Korean
Dutch/Indonesian (looked Hawaiian)
Thai
Brazilian
Indian
Polish
Cuban
Moldovan
Siberia
Uzbekistan
American (almost forgot)
Roma (Gypsy)
Filipino (Just remembered this one)
Now some of them I had in their own countries like Thai in Bangkok, Brazilian in Rio, Indian in Calcutta, French Canadian in Montreal, etc.. But A LOT of these girls were from FKK's. I think my list is up to 41. I'll be back in "FKK land" in 3 weeks so hoping to expand my horizons.
I'd be curious to see some "Lists" from other esteemed members.
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[QUOTE=Travel100]Anyone ever Make a LIST of the Different Countries Girls are from?[/QUOTE]
How can you be missing China? Chinese girls are like the McDonalds of paid sex, they're like everywhere, worldwide.
A few others from my list that are missing from yours:
Iraq
North Korea (or so she said)
Japan
Mongolia
Israel
Egypt
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Travel100
For ISG forumers you've got the question the wrong way round. It would be easier for them to list the countries where they haven't laid a pipe....
From memory you've beaten me to Dutch, Slovenian, Austrian, Canadian, Korean, Uzbek, and American FKK girls. Cross off Siberia, it's not a country. Roma?
I can add to those on your list, for certain, the following:
Dom Rep
Malaysia
Kenya
Jamaica
Tunisia
Cameroon
Ghana
Finland
Congo
Bolivia
Colombia
Philippines
Switzerland
Syria
Martinique (or is that France?)
Argentina
China
English
In addition I've had Romanians who have variously stated they are Italian, Spanish, Portuguese and French; Bulgarians who are really Greek or Turkish; Russians who say they are Greek and Finnish; Ukrainians who say they are Poles and Slovaks; and a good handful fresh off the bus who didn't seem particularly sure of anything at all, least of all where they came from or where they were, but were quite adamant they knew where they were going, and that was: Zimmer. So what's the point in fact?
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[QUOTE=Radler]How can you be missing China? Chinese girls are like the McDonalds of paid sex, they're like everywhere, worldwide.
A few others from my list that are missing from yours:
Iraq
North Korea (or so she said)
Japan
Mongolia
Israel
Egypt[/QUOTE]
Impressive additions there. I find the Middle Eastern Girls exotic but they're hard to find (guess it depends where you look). Japan and Mongolia would be great too.
I'm thinking a trip to F-39 and I should be able to add China.
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[QUOTE=Toscana]...Cross off Siberia, it's not a country...
In addition I've had Romanians who have variously stated they are Italian, Spanish, Portuguese and French; Bulgarians who are really Greek or Turkish; Russians who say they are Greek and Finnish; Ukrainians who say they are Poles and Slovaks; and a good handful fresh off the bus who didn't seem particularly sure of anything at all, least of all where they came from, but were quite adamant they knew where they were going, and that was: Zimmer.[/QUOTE]
Very Funny! It's quite possible my Moldovan was actually a "Romanian" in disguise.
Siberia seems like a long way from Moscow, and since she is in my Top 5 ALL-TIME, I had to add a whole separate country for her.
Syria is a rare (and Exotic) one, nice job.
[QUOTE]From memory you've beaten me to Dutch[/QUOTE]
For "Dutch" it would be worth a trip to Bernds to visit Mara.
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Here goes:
Thailand
Philippines
South Korea
China
Vietnam
South Africa
New Zealand
Indonesia
Mongolia (if only BJ counts)
Slovakia
Czeck Republic
Ukraine
Romania
Bulgaria
Hungary
Moldovia
Serbia
Kroatia
Slovenia
Montenegro
Spain
Italy
France
England
Germany
Netherlands
Belgium
Switzerland
Portugal
Greece
Turkey
Poland
Macedonia
Georgia
Armenia
Syria
Kazakhstan
Kyrgistan
Azerbaijan
Lebanon
India (half)
Malaysia
Kenya
Nigeria
Ghana
Cameroon
Morocco
Ethiopia
Ivory Coast
Sierra Leone
Tunisia
Brazil
Argentina
Jamaica
Dom.Republic
Argentina
Chile
Colombia
Cuba
Costa Rica
Venezuela
Ecuador
Paraguay
Bahamas
Vatican
I may be leaving out a few, but I think it is pretty much close to it. If I would add non P4P, I would have a few more.
oh, and just in case: The last one is a joke
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Maybe Bernd's has changed its policies but I knew for a fact that it used to have a discriminatory door policy. I have heard this about GT as well, but I usually stick to Living Room. I think most good FKK clubs have no issue taking anyone as long as they pay.
FKK 39 in Bochum for sure has a discriminatory door policy, even more hypocritical considering the fact that the owner is a Turk.
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[QUOTE=Henio]Here goes:
Vatican
oh, and just in case: The last one is a joke[/QUOTE]
Hey Man,
Thank goodness for that addendum. For a second I thought that we were gonna have to lasso that alter ego of yours and lock up our wives and daughters.
Still, I might pay some jingle to see you do your thing in the big "V".
Cheers,
Dedalus, who has not been to confessional in a while. Damn, those Novenas!
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Actually, it would be interesting to know if anyone has a nationality that no one else has. My nomination for myself is North Korea. I actually have bagged the original "axis of evil" as I also have Iran and Iraq on my list.
Has anyone seen an American or Canadian woman working in an FKK? About six years ago, I saw an American MILF in a Stuttgart FKK. She gave me the hard sell in the interest of national honor, but I declined as she wasn't my type.
I'm kind of surprised I haven't run into the occassional American or Canadian girl financing a year or two traveling around the world by working in FKKs a week every month. Also, when I was in college (many years ago), it seemed many of the American girls over in Europe studying would hop in the sack with the first European guy who lit their cigarette. Seems it would be a natural way for some of them to finance some extended travelling.
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[QUOTE=Radler]Actually, it would be interesting to know if anyone has a nationality that no one else has. My nomination for myself is North Korea. I actually have bagged the original "axis of evil" as I also have Iran and Iraq on my list.
Has anyone seen an American or Canadian woman working in an FKK? About six years ago, I saw an American MILF in a Stuttgart FKK. She gave me the hard sell in the interest of national honor, but I declined as she wasn't my type.
I'm kind of surprised I haven't run into the occassional American or Canadian girl financing a year or two traveling around the world by working in FKKs a week every month. Also, when I was in college (many years ago), it seemed many of the American girls over in Europe studying would hop in the sack with the first European guy who lit their cigarette. Seems it would be a natural way for some of them to finance some extended travelling.[/QUOTE]
There was a Canadian girl working at Oase around 10 years ago (pre-kino days). Skinny, cute, and very petite girl named Suzi (total GFE). I think she was half Hungarian, after working at Oase for a while she moved to Toronto. She was definitely Canadian but since she was half Hungarian and spoke fluent German, she wasn't the proto-type "American or Canadian" you're probably thinking of.
It always surprised me also that there wouldn't be the occasional American at an FKK financing her time abroad and having some fun at the same time.
The Irish, Australians and Scandinavians seems pretty elusive. Haven't seen any mentioned yet. There was a Danish girl with big Tits that used to work at Oase, think her name was Eve or Eva.
Anyone ever seen any British, Irish, Australian or Scandinavians working at FKK's?
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[QUOTE=Travel100]She was definitely Canadian but since she was half Hungarian and spoke fluent German, she wasn't the proto-type "American or Canadian" you're probably thinking of. [/QUOTE]
I wouldn't think language would be an issue as I've noticed in my workd mongering that women seem to have a special talent for learning languages while on their backs.
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Americans Working in Maennerparadies Deutschland
[QUOTE=Travel100]It always surprised me also that there wouldn't be the occasional American at an FKK financing her time abroad and having some fun at the same time.[/QUOTE]
There used to be an American chick who worked at Atlantis.
She once tapped me on the shoulder while I was sitting in that raised seating area and started to talk. I recognized the American accent immediately.
I've met other American (or half American) women at Babylon and Wiago but nowhere else. They were either raised in Germany or were half German and half American.
Babylon had an Afro American chick listed on their website earlier this year.
Years ago at Cocoon I met a blonde Turkish chick, Melek, who had worked as au pair in Los Angeles.
And a Thekenfrau at Wiago had once lived in Detroit. She was Turkish though, if I remember correctly.
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I include Australian in my list, my first experience of mongering being in the Talk of the Town in Melbourne. But otherwise, my list looks kind of pitiful next to you guys.
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[QUOTE=Radler]Actually, it would be interesting to know if anyone has a nationality that no one else has. My nomination for myself is North Korea. I actually have bagged the original "axis of evil" as I also have Iran and Iraq on my list.
Has anyone seen an American or Canadian woman working in an FKK? About six years ago, I saw an American MILF in a Stuttgart FKK. She gave me the hard sell in the interest of national honor, but I declined as she wasn't my type.
I'm kind of surprised I haven't run into the occassional American or Canadian girl financing a year or two traveling around the world by working in FKKs a week every month. Also, when I was in college (many years ago), it seemed many of the American girls over in Europe studying would hop in the sack with the first European guy who lit their cigarette. Seems it would be a natural way for some of them to finance some extended travelling.[/QUOTE]
I ran into a German women who lived for over 20 years in Las Vegas in Babylon in 2004. She would technically have been American. I met a Canadian working in World that same year.
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[QUOTE=Travel100]There was a Canadian girl working at Oase around 10 years ago (pre-kino days). Skinny, cute, and very petite girl named Suzi (total GFE). I think she was half Hungarian, after working at Oase for a while she moved to Toronto. She was definitely Canadian but since she was half Hungarian and spoke fluent German, she wasn't the proto-type "American or Canadian" you're probably thinking of.
It always surprised me also that there wouldn't be the occasional American at an FKK financing her time abroad and having some fun at the same time.
The Irish, Australians and Scandinavians seems pretty elusive. Haven't seen any mentioned yet. There was a Danish girl with big Tits that used to work at Oase, think her name was Eve or Eva.
Anyone ever seen any British, Irish, Australian or Scandinavians working at FKK's?[/QUOTE]
There is a German woman with a British accent who works at Mettmann, you honestly would not know she is German unless she tells you.
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[QUOTE=Travel100]Anyone ever seen any British, Irish, Australian or Scandinavians working at FKK's?[/QUOTE]Aren't we all forgetting Cordelia at World, contributor to this very forum?
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[QUOTE=Radler]Actually, it would be interesting to know if anyone has a nationality that no one else has. My nomination for myself is North Korea. I actually have bagged the original "axis of evil" as I also have Iran and Iraq on my list.
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Scandinavians seem to be pretty rare.
Anyone have Iceland, Norway OR Sweden? (the "axis of Blondes")
By the way, the "axis of evil" is Very Impressive. Not an easy feat.
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All these reports of the nationalities of women make me feel that I need to try harder as I am pretty much limited to Eastern/Western Europe :o
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[QUOTE=Travel100]Scandinavians seem to be pretty rare.
Anyone have Iceland, Norway OR Sweden? (the "axis of Blondes")
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I propose the Axis of Blondes scavinger hunt. It took me seven years to get the Axis of Evil. Now I have a new goal.
I have to check out the Iceland and Norway forums now.
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you do not want to deal with a scandinavian provider, their women are some of the most uberfeministic types you will encounter. their women make their men sit on the toilet seat when they [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111][CodeWord111][/url], its that bad. better to have russian and ee types, even most german women are more submissive than anglo/scandinavian bitches.
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Did she speak German or English with you?
[QUOTE=Jackyo]There used to be an American chick who worked at Atlantis.
She once tapped me on the shoulder while I was sitting in that raised seating area and started to talk. I recognized the American accent immediately.
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Radler,
There used to be a North Korean girl at GT six months ago. I think her name was Sophie. Adorable looking little thing with perfectly smooth white skin, and a horrible set of teeth.
If you ever do find her, her services are NOT recommended but hey, if you just wanna check 1 axis country off your list for 50 euros, then be my guest.
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The American chick at Atlantis...
[QUOTE=Monger Man]Did she speak German or English with you?[/QUOTE]
.. spoke German to me.
I was puzzled at first by her accent and then it all fell into place. She was an American woman who had lived in Germany for a while.
I forget her name. I believe it was something like Diane.
There is a Dexter Horn video which is probably still floating around on the Internet which they made to show their potential clients what FKK clubs are all about.
The video was done in the early 2000s and has videos showing the facilities of Atlantis and the late, great Sankt Augustine-Meindorf club. If I am not mistaken a couple of Red Carpet clubs were shown too: Herne-Horsthausen, the Grimbergsauna, Penelope, the Alperbeck club.
She does the Atlantis tour in the nude.
Wonder what has become of her.
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Akascha
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]There is a German woman with a British accent who works at Mettmann, you honestly would not know she is German unless she tells you.[/QUOTE]
I think you are referring to Akascha.
She is tall, thin (maybe too thin), blonde and she is German but speaks English with a very strong British accent.
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There was an American girl 2 or 3 years ago at Palace. She lived in Nürnberg. Godd fuck, tits made, blonde, maybe thirtyish.
HB
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Situation in Hessen?
Dear friends, in the net some people wrote very bad things about Oase in these days: bad lineup, all the stars on holyday, bad food, not enough towels and not clean enviroment (orrible smell).
Nothing better at World (bad lineup, no grill, no beach club).
Next week I will stay 3 days in that area (Monday-Wednesday) and my idea was spend one day in every hessen big 3 (Palace, World, Oase).
Do you confirm the bad situation or maybe who wrote those things is trying to get people far from that places?
Tks for your help, I will try to payback with my reports.
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[QUOTE=Travel100]
Anyone ever seen any British, Irish, Australian or Scandinavians working at FKK's?[/QUOTE]
I did a chick from Finland 2 yrs ago @ GT. Forgot her name. She was pretty hot.
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There are Finns around. But Finland ain't in Scandinavia.......;-) Danes, yes, occasionally, but I've never been with one. And I cannot remember any Swedes or Norwegians at all. I would say they generally have no need. or if they do, they can earn more at home.
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Finnish and Swedish
[QUOTE=Vito Corleone]I did a chick from Finland 2 yrs ago @ GT. Forgot her name. She was pretty hot.[/QUOTE]
Marlene at Samya is Finnish. Or at least she claims she is Finnish.
[i]Bildhuebsch[/i] like she stepped out of a Penthouse magazine pictorial. Petite, blonde.
I have photos of her somewhere on my computer slowly undressing.
Nice to look at but totally uninspired in bed. She's been doing this for too long and it shows. My best example of what an Optikfick is all about.
I was with a Swedish blonde at Heavensgate once. She had been living in Germany for a while. I have her name somewhere. I just need to rediscover my notes.
What I remember most about her is that she had a barcode tatoo on her neck.
The other thing was that she hadn't cleaned up down there (I mean the backdoor) and she smelled really bad. Not my favorite thing.
So from that corner of the world I've still to meet Danish and Norwegian women. And then there are Icelanders who are in the middle of the Atlantic but are somewhat related.
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finnish
I agree with jackyo, Marlene claims to be finnish.
However, I disagree with the services claimed by Jackyo. For me she was the ultimate GFE, including taking extra 25 bucks for CIM.
Charlie
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Let's just say..
[QUOTE=Chico Charlie 1]I agree with jackyo, Marlene claims to be finnish.
However, I disagree with the services claimed by Jackyo. For me she was the ultimate GFE, including taking extra 25 bucks for CIM.
Charlie[/QUOTE]
.. that I've had better and I've had worse.
I found her rather cold. Her conversational skills were not outstanding. I went with her because of the way she looks. [i]Mea culpa, mea culpa[/i].
My own advice to myself is to check out her [i]Ausstrahlung[/i]. I should learn to listen to myself.
YMMV, is what this comes down to.
My guess is that she is actually Russian (and some guys on Youppie have guessed the same, by the way).
A poster on Youppie described her as [i]mignonne, est plutôt froide et pro[/i]... [i]c'est-a-dire[/i], cute (but) cold and professional. To top it off, he would suggest things (such as changes in position) and she would disagree and insist on having things her way.
Reminds me of a conversation between Burt and Ernie on the Muppets. Burt complains that he never gets his way: "Always your way, never my way. Always the frog's way, never my way. Nya, nya, nya..."
Here are photos of this chick so you can judge for yourselves:
[url]http://www.freiermagazin.de/b1/3/183-01.jpg[/url]
[url]http://www.freiermagazin.de/b8/4/184-04.jpg[/url]
[url]http://www.freiermagazin.de/b7/5/185-03.jpg[/url]
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I did a Norwegian nursing student, she had a real fat disgusting friend, she had a horrible nose in air personality.
Russians and Ukrainians are better.
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[QUOTE=Radler]Actually, I'm inclined to try this, if just for laughs. The next time I approach GT with a non-white friend, I will have a box of Godivas on hand. If she comes out into the cage to signal "Voll!", I will smile meekly and offer her the box of Chocolates.
When she becomes puzzled and mutters something like "Was ist das?", I will reply, "Weil du shoene Augen hast." We probably won't get let in (and I will be personally permanately barred as a nutcase), it will be worth it for the laughs.[/QUOTE]
Hmmm, things might have changed in the positive. On my recent trip I saw in two separate instances of black men in the club and Turkei men as well.
I did not meet any ijsberen this trip so could not get a regular pulse of what was the story.
I can only think that this is for the better. Well done.
Kind regards
Londonbasketcase
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[QUOTE=Vito Corleone] I do not know what the big deal is about the door policy @ GT. [/QUOTE]
I think it is a big deal when you are barred from entering any establishment that you have an expectation of entering and the refusal of entry has the implication that it is because of your race.
It can be humiliating and crushing. I understand.
[QUOTE=Vito Corleone] I visited 3 times last October & the lineup was good, but nothing to write home about. A friend of mine called it "CRAP" but it was not that bad. [/QUOTE]
I like Golden Time and rate it as my favourite venue in Nord Rhein Westfalen. I usually find girls I like there and get the naughty services that pleasure me from the girls I like the look of.
I have a group of A list girls that I like seeing at Golden Time.
Nice to see a new pool (whirl or plunge pool) being built in the back garden next to the patio couch area just down from the beer fridge.
[QUOTE=Vito Corleone] The next time I visit they either let me in or they don't. Whatever. I will just bring my stack of euros to another club. [/QUOTE]
Cool.
Choas,
Londonbasketcase
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how long driving from frankfurt area to samya? Is samya the closest to frankfurt among those best in NRW area such as golden time, phg, bernd? i will stay in frankfurt area for 4 days, one day for each big club. considering visit one in the NRW in the fourth day. is samya the closest to drive from frankfurt? thanks.
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All for Bb
[QUOTE=All For Bb]how long driving from frankfurt area to samya? Is samya the closest to frankfurt among those best in NRW area such as golden time, phg, bernd? i will stay in frankfurt area for 4 days, one day for each big club. considering visit one in the NRW in the fourth day. is samya the closest to drive from frankfurt? thanks.[/QUOTE]Allow two hours to get to Samya. The Frankfurt area can be congested. Samya is on the southern side of Cologne, which is to your advantage. Yes, it is certainly closer to F. than PHG and GT. Bernd's is probably about the same distance as Samya?
Similar in size to Samya, and better on a good day, would be Finca Erotica in Dierdorf, which is not NRW, rather Rheinland-Pfalz I believe, but who cares? It's also closer, allow 1 1/2 hours max. from F. straight up the A3. Girls are naked, entry only EUR 30 between 11.00 and 14.00. Would be an alternative worth considering.
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[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase]Hmmm, things might have changed in the positive. On my recent trip I saw in two separate instances of black men in the club and Turkei men as well.[/QUOTE]
Glad to here it.
I do think that the clubs that exclude based on race do it out of a misguided opinion that their mostly white customers would be uncomfortable if people of other races are admitted. The reality is that people increasingly have friends across races and are offended when this is done to their friends.
Perhaps GT gets this now and has joined the 21st century. Now we need to work on F39.
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I second this
[QUOTE=Toscana]Similar in size to Samya, and better on a good day, would be Finca Erotica in Dierdorf, which is not NRW, rather Rheinland-Pfalz I believe, but who cares? It's also closer, allow 1 1/2 hours max. from F. straight up the A3. Girls are naked, entry only EUR 30 between 11.00 and 14.00. Would be an alternative worth considering.[/QUOTE]
If I were in your shoes and had a car, I would stop at Finca.
Nice selection.
Go find Louisa of Romania and Katja of Russia.
One big difference versus Samya: the girls at Finca are all nude.
Didn't Playboy magazine just publish a "Girls of Olive Garden" pictorial?
It will remind you of an Olive Garden restaurant.
Now we just need to find FKK Club equivalents for Applebee's, Friday's and Ruby Tuesdays. And let's not forget Red Lobster.
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I checked the Finca Erotica website and there are only about 10 women shown there. Is that the actual number of women that work there? How does that compare with Samya and Parksauma Residenz in Lohmar? Thanks.
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Does anyone know a SW who gives a body-to-body massage--preferably at a fkk?
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I've had one...
[QUOTE=Akibono]Does anyone know a SW who gives a body-to-body massage--preferably at a fkk?[/QUOTE]
... at Blue Note but the women who provide these massages there don't go all the way. They will get your juices flowing though.
The masseuse at Bernds does go all the way (see a current post on this topic under the Bernds thread).
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Don't be misled
[QUOTE=Jimmy Boy 99]I checked the Finca Erotica website and there are only about 10 women shown there. Is that the actual number of women that work there? How does that compare with Samya and Parksauma Residenz in Lohmar? Thanks.[/QUOTE]
There are probably from 25 to 30 women there during peak.
The women are nude so that is a major difference versus Samya. Its a pretty good selection with a little of everything.
Its hard to believe that this club is run by the same folks who run World.
I can't comment on Parksauna Residenz as I've never been there.
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Public Transport
Is Finca Erotica possible by pubic transport...maybe not right till the door step but since im landing at Frankfurt...what's the nearest station to the club and directions from the station to the club after that...
Also wht is the price structure...?
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Public transport to Finca
[QUOTE=SesameKing]Is Finca Erotica possible by pubic transport...maybe not right till the door step but since im landing at Frankfurt...what's the nearest station to the club and directions from the station to the club after that...
Also wht is the price structure...?[/QUOTE]
Access without a car is a bit problematic. It is in the middle of nowhere but easily accessible from the Autobahn.
You need to take a train to Koblenz then there is a bus which takes you to Dierdorf. The bus makes multiple stops. Or you can get off at Montabaur, take a bus to the Siershahn Bf and then another bus to Dierdorf. It will take two hours or so to get there from the FRA Flughafen.
For the effort involved in getting there by public transport it would be worthwhile to spend several days there to make up for it. Its not something to do as a [i]Tagesausflug[/i] by public transport.
The price structure is comparable to that in Frankfurt. I didn't extend any of my sessions there so I can't say what the one hour sessions cost.
There is a shift change so if you hang out long enough you will see the night shift come in.
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[QUOTE=Jackyo]Access without a car is a bit problematic. It is in the middle of nowhere but easily accessible from the Autobahn.
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Awww...guess will miss out on the place then...dont have much time ... will stick to the old and tested Bluenote then...
What about Lug Ins Land you described my friend...with a similar price structure and same management I think it should be a good place for a change as well...
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Nothing beats BN for accessibility..
[QUOTE=SesameKing]Awww...guess will miss out on the place then...dont have much time ... will stick to the old and tested Bluenote then...
What about Lug Ins Land you described my friend...with a similar price structure and same management I think it should be a good place for a change as well...[/QUOTE]
.. but as I've written, its not every man's cup of tea.
Lug ins Land is just as geographically challenged as Finca is for the carless. Its about two hours away from Duesseldorf by public transport.
You take a train either from Koeln-Messe-Deutz or from Siegburg/Bonn to Betzdorf and then you take a bus to Brachbach.
Betzdorf is the end of the line for the S bahn which runs from Horrem or Dueren through Koeln to Hennef and then further to Betzdorf.
I've taken it to get to Hennef and then to that tiny nearby village by the name of Lichtenberg.
I'd like to write a limerick one day using the word Hennef: "There was a woman from Hennef, who... blank-blank... -ennef, she... blank-blank-blank-blanked, it blank-blank-blank-blanked,... she blank-blank-blanked.. -ennef"
Anyone care to take a stab at this?
Funny thing is that there is a DB train station at Brachbach but there is no train schedule to be found for it, d. h. it might be a freight station but not a passenger station (?).
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[QUOTE=SesameKing]
Also wht is the price structure...?[/QUOTE]
The price structure is 50 for the first half hour and 50 for the second...not sure about the prices for cim, greek etc since I usually don't bother with the extra's. They also have 2 happy hours, one from 11am till 1pm...the other is from 10pm till 11pm I think. The girl will go to the desk and get assigned a room...and then off you go. On her return she checks back in. Never had any issues with upcharging, adding on another half hour etc. I got the impression this is the club a girl might go to work if she needs money but doesn't want to risk running into someone she knows...small town, out of the way...and off the beaten public transportation path.
Also amazed with all the newbie's that do the drive from Frankfurt to Bernds, more don't stop and check out this club since they're driving right by it...30 miles away from Bernds.
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Small correction
[QUOTE=Breadman]The price structure is 50 for the first half hour and 50 for the second...not sure about the prices for cim, greek etc since I usually don't bother with the extra's. They also have 2 happy hours, one from 11am till 1pm...the other is from 10pm till 11pm I think.[/QUOTE]That first happy hour lasts until 2pm.CIM is EUR 50 extra; anal "house price" is EUR 150. Ridiculous. Negotiate, but be very discreet.
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Feminist movement in FKK?
Has anyone else noticed that FKK girls have stopped shaving ?
I just met several girls, different nationalities, clubs in Hessen that had stopped shaving their pussy. Some of them I did just weeks ago when they were shaved. What is happening with the world :confused:
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Anyone seen any Unshaved girls at FKK's
[QUOTE=Everhard]Has anyone else noticed that FKK girls have stopped shaving ?
I just met several girls, different nationalities, clubs in Hessen that had stopped shaving their pussy. Some of them I did just weeks ago when they were shaved. What is happening with the world :confused:[/QUOTE]
Are you serious. I don't think I've ever seen Unshaved pussy, with the exception of Mara (and to a lesser extent Katya) of Bernds.
I was going to post a question asking if anyone has seen unshaved pussy at FKK's anyway, so I'll do it now.
Especially interested in Oase, World, F39, and Bernds. Since those are the clubs I'll probably visit starting the end of next week.
So has anyone ever seen a Natural Bush in a FKK? Mara has the biggest Bush I've seen and even she shaves her Lips totally. I'm attracted to things that are different from the ordinary. Once I had a Flemish girl in the RLD (Amsterdam) with unshaved pits, that was a bit of a turn-on just because it was unique.
Has anyone else noticed what Everhard has? Any Bush or unshaved girls to be found at any of the clubs I mentioned? (or even at another club)
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Hairy women in FKKs
[QUOTE=Everhard]Has anyone else noticed that FKK girls have stopped shaving ?
I just met several girls, different nationalities, clubs in Hessen that had stopped shaving their pussy. Some of them I did just weeks ago when they were shaved. What is happening with the world :confused:[/QUOTE]
Hi Everhard,
I do have not come across FKK girls not shaving. I see a couple of girls in the showers at Golden Time shaving their legs, etc.. as the showers/lockers are shared there.
I expect most girls shave before they come to the club. Legs, arm pits, pubic region are the usual.
Most girls I come across are fully shaven muschis but a few have a racing stripe or a trimmed pussy region. I cannot say from experience that the pubic hair percentage of girls I encountered has increased on the number of girls encountered that have fully shaven pubic hair.
One girl I did at Golden Time did have a furry feeling arse - but that was okay as the hairs were light and gave a different sensation as my hands roamed over her pert bottom. I went back with her twice, but it was not because of her furry feeling arse. I liked her slim leggy look and her DD breasts.
Cheers Everhard for pointing this phenomenon out,
Londonbasketcase
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[QUOTE=Travel100]Are you serious. I don't think I've ever seen Unshaved pussy, with the exception of Mara (and to a lesser extent Katya) of Bernds.
I was going to post a question asking if anyone has seen unshaved pussy at FKK's anyway, so I'll do it now.
Especially interested in Oase, World, F39, and Bernds. Since those are the clubs I'll probably visit starting the end of next week.
So has anyone ever seen a Natural Bush in a FKK? Mara has the biggest Bush I've seen and even she shaves her Lips totally. I'm attracted to things that are different from the ordinary. Once I had a Flemish girl in the RLD (Amsterdam) with unshaved pits, that was a bit of a turn-on just because it was unique.
Has anyone else noticed what Everhard has? Any Bush or unshaved girls to be found at any of the clubs I mentioned? (or even at another club)[/QUOTE]
Well, last time I was at Bernds there was a blond girl, Lisa, whose pussy was unshaven. However, a.) it was her first day and b.) I’ve not seen any reports or even mentions of her since so I don’t know if she’s still around.
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[QUOTE=Travel100]I was going to post a question asking if anyone has seen unshaved pussy at FKK's anyway, so I'll do it now.
Especially interested in Oase, World, F39, and Bernds. Since those are the clubs I'll probably visit starting the end of next week.[/QUOTE]
It helps if you like Chinese girls as there is a cultural prejudice against a woman shaving her pussy. Sophie at F39 has a natural bush, although I would not call her especially hairy. Koko at Palace was unshaven for quite a while, however, last time I sessioned with her, she had gone native.
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We seem to keep bringing up the same topics over and over
[QUOTE=Radler]Danke, Gleichfalls!
And yes, I do speak German. Badly, but i do speak it.
OK, so my post to Jackyo was a bit over the top. I had a rather harrowing flight the previous night, didn't get enough sleep and got up on the wrong side of the bed.
My point in the original post was that I am quite familiar with NRW clubs with "no approach" policies. LBC and Timmendorf had noted the same thing, the vibe from the ladies is strange at this club (unlike other NRW clubs such as GT, PHG, F39, etc.) Jackyo's post was essentially: "it must be because you aren't familiar with the NRW club policies against women approaching. I think it is a better policy. Let me show you I know the German word for it." It really didn't address the discussion at hand.[/QUOTE]
Does anyone seem to notice?
The topic of [i]animieren[/i] keeps coming up hence my wanting to say a few words about it and not elaborate.
Yes, it does not address the discussion at hand but it is a discussion which we have had before.
Is there a way to file these things away and point to the previous discussion when the topic comes up again?
On the Oase thread there is an ongoing discussion for the benefit of a newbie about the dress code.
Is the [i]Verbot[/i] a better policy?
In my opinion, yes.
In clubs where the girls don't approach you you have more peace and quiet. Also the girls have to resort to various other ways to catch your attention. Yes, they will smile at you. And in the exhibitionistic clubs they will flash you or otherwise try to catch you looking at their pink parts.
There is an undercurrent of subtle flirting which goes on when they can't approach you.
That to me at least has more of an appeal than the more direct: "Hey, want some company?" or the more vulgar: "Hey dude, let's screw."
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so upset!
I am back from a three day Germany day time Business night time FKK trip. Last Sunday - Berlin Artemis, Monday - Frankfurt Palace, Tuesday - Frankfurt World. Unfortunately I had my worst FKK experience compared to the 4-5 past years since I discovered about FKKs. When I have seen the lousy selection and lack of talent at Artemis I was upset but two more FKK nights was what kept me happy. I was so wrong, Monday night, palace a total disaster. If someone told me that I would get out from a FKK without having sex, I would comment on it saying only if I am over 80 and have no Viagra. But the ladies were soo low quality and bad attitude it totally destroyed my dreams. Tuesday night World a little bit compensated itself but still nowhere close my past experiences (and I had many before)
Thinking why this could be I thought about two reasons: first the night selection: Monday I guess is the worst one especially when there is no expo in town. Second, all the good girls who were able to make Money went back home for holidays.
Live and learn, it proved that even at the world’s best organized mongering facilities you can have bad nights :)
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[QUOTE=Yupi Yup]I am back from a three day Germany day time Business night time FKK trip. Last Sunday - Berlin Artemis, Monday - Frankfurt Palace, Tuesday - Frankfurt World. Unfortunately I had my worst FKK experience compared to the 4-5 past years since I discovered about FKKs. When I have seen the lousy selection and lack of talent at Artemis I was upset but two more FKK nights was what kept me happy. I was so wrong, Monday night, palace a total disaster. If someone told me that I would get out from a FKK without having sex, I would comment on it saying only if I am over 80 and have no Viagra. But the ladies were soo low quality and bad attitude it totally destroyed my dreams. Tuesday night World a little bit compensated itself but still nowhere close my past experiences (and I had many before)
Thinking why this could be I thought about two reasons: first the night selection: Monday I guess is the worst one especially when there is no expo in town. Second, all the good girls who were able to make Money went back home for holidays.
Live and learn, it proved that even at the world’s best organized mongering facilities you can have bad nights :)[/QUOTE]
I think you answered your own questions here. Summertime, esp. mid-July through end August is, generally speaking, not the best time to catch clubs, in Hessen esp., touting their best line-ups. This is for a variety of reasons: Girls on holiday, men on holiday, low business events in Messe towns like Berlin and FFM (compared to Autumn, Winter and Spring when there are many, many Messe events). In contrast to this, in Hessen at least, Oase at BHH seems to be (this year in particular) holding its own through the summer with a pretty damn good line-up day in and out. I was there a three weeks ago and found Oase quite doable on Sundays and Mondays. A pity you chose Palace over Oase on that particular day! Btw: One factor at World on Tues: It is Dessous tag, so maybe that kept things down a bit???
However, I think in NRW things might be looking better than elsewhere. For example, a club like F39 gets 80% (or more) of its male customers from local sources. And afternoons esp. are active with men coming in during their "lunch breaks" from work. So I bet this club (and others in this region) do not suffer so much in line-up degredation during the summer months as do larger more Messe-based clubs like Palace and Artemis.
Lastly, it is well known that Sunday and Monday nights at FKKs are NOT the best nights to visit, regardless of the time of year.
Ortos
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hi everybody........
Nice to see that you still having fun in your mongering lifes.
Oase was a great place in June and I see it still being.
But guys, I've seen Frankfurt and fkks overthere. I think I'm pretty curious to change city for fkks in Germany.
From my city it's good connections for Stuttgart, Munich and Dusseldorf. Are there any places close to Oases' way of life, lineups. Summary, fkks that you can suggest to visit in those cities?
Big hug from.
Italia
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[QUOTE=Jackyo]Does anyone seem to notice?
The topic of [i]animieren[/i] keeps coming up hence my wanting to say a few words about it and not elaborate. [/QUOTE]
Actually, if memory serves, it was you that brought it up this last time. Nothing wrong with having another round of the golden oldie topic.
[QUOTE=Jackyo]Is there a way to file these things away and point to the previous discussion when the topic comes up again? [/QUOTE]
The internet corrolary to the proverb "you can lead a horse to water, ..." should be, "You can point out the search feature to the newbee, but you can't click the button for him".
[QUOTE=Jackyo]Is the [i]Verbot[/i] a better policy?
In my opinion, yes. [/QUOTE]
Both have their pros and cons. Giving my Deutsch linguistic ineptitude, I'm going to refer to them as Sharkful and Sharkless policies.
[b]Sharkful[/b]
Cons: Particularly right as you walk into the room, fending off the persistent advances of twenty or so very insistent and pushy women. Did someone just put a "fresh meat" sign on my back. I'll occassionally grab the first non-pushy woman I am interested in just so I have the "Pause" excuse to politely keep them at bay. I can see how some guys find this aspect enough to sour them off of sharkful clubs.
Pros: 1) Easier to test the chemistry or her sensuality. How she reacts when you politely turn her down with a smile and a "maybe later" tells you alot about a girl. If she gets all bitchy, well, you've just saved yourself 50E on a crappy session. Also, within reason, you can "sample the goods". I don't recommend letting a girl wank you for ten minutes then turning her down. However there is nothing wrong with testing how she touches you and playfully moving her hand away. Repeat until you have a sense of how she approaches things. Is she a woman who knows how to be sensual, or does she think he harder and faster she wanks the quicker you will be done with it?
2) If you session repeatedly with more than one girl in a clique, their friends will approach you expecting to session with you. The clique may even get territorial over you. This is not necessarily bad as the girls talk among themselves and your new friend will know exactly what you like and will bring her A game as she wants you as a regular too. I've had some great sessions this way.
[b]Sharkless[/b]
Cons: As with anything subtle, it can be more difficult to test chemistry. I'm sorry, but if I initiate contact by sitting next to a woman I have a more difficult time deciding not to session with her because you are conveying the message "I was thinking about sessioning with you, but under further consideration, I've decided not to". Maybe it's just me, but seems kind of rude. I've had a couple of mediocre (and one outright bad) sessions because I didn't bail after initiating contact and sensed no (or bad) chemistry.
Pros: 1) Certainy more relaxing and laid back an experience.
2) Kind of fun to make the ladies to subtily entice you with a smile, a look or a strategic positioning of their attributes. I know one lady at a sharkless club who waits until you wander into an area in the back (not a Kino) that does not appear to be watched by the management and she will walk up to you and chat you up. Another fun thing to do when a lady is trying to attract your interest is to get up and go into the Kino and see if she follows.
To sum it up, I like both environments as each has its pros and cons.
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[QUOTE=Radler]
I would have preferred snarky to snide. Perhaps you can translate snarky for me into German. It would help my German vocabulary.
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Odd. When I look it up in my Duden or Langenscheidt, it says "Pumpkin-headed moron with a little-guy complex"
Darn things are probably broken. Maybe I should take them back.
[QUOTE=Radler]
As far as snide insults, I am kind of curious what it was that set you off. Was it my questioning the quality of your upbringing in the great "Sandra the Red" controversey? Or was it calling out as bullshit your statement that GT doesn't exclude by race? Or I maybe it was for pointing out that Jackyo posted a response that was unrelated to the discussion simply so he could use the word [i]Animieren[/i]?
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Probably a combination of all. But hey, we can't make everyone happy.
[QUOTE=Radler]
Cheers,
Radler (now where is that ignore button?)[/QUOTE]
That's a shame...
Cheers,
Dedalus
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[QUOTE=Italia77]Nice to see that you still having fun in your mongering lifes.
Oase was a great place in June and I see it still being.
But guys, I've seen Frankfurt and fkks overthere. I think I'm pretty curious to change city for fkks in Germany.
From my city it's good connections for Stuttgart, Munich and Dusseldorf. Are there any places close to Oases' way of life, lineups. Summary, fkks that you can suggest to visit in those cities?
Big hug from.
Italia[/QUOTE]
Hi Italia77,
If you have connection to Dusseldorf, there you will find the finest of Sauna Clubs in westfalia. To name of some of them; Golden Time, Planet Happy Garden, Living Room and Villa Vertigo are all fine clubs. The latest one is a new luxurious club but the lineup is not well set yet. You may even cross the Dutch border to reach Dutch club Ying Yang. In south of Dusseldorf, in Cologne you may find Samya and babylon, and towrads North, near Bochum, club F39 Freude is not a bad bet to visit.
Ciao
C2
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[QUOTE=Travel100] Scandinavians seem to be pretty rare.
Anyone have Iceland, Norway OR Sweden? (the "axis of Blondes")[/QUOTE]
I have done two sisters at Golden Time - Lia (22 years) and Lena (?? years) who are German but have Swedish parentage. Lia claims she is Swedish German in her sales pitch.
I have done Finns before but right now I cannot recall Icelandic or Nordics in my resume of girls done. I may have done a Norwegian brunette who did a great CIM service in London but that was a few years back.
[QUOTE=Travel100]By the way, the "axis of evil" is Very Impressive. Not an easy feat. [/QUOTE]
North Korea, Iraq and Iran is a formidable feat. I salute you Sir.
Kind regards
Londonbasketcase
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What's the rules about snow tires?
I've visiting Germany a couple of times a year in the winter for the last 5-6 years. It's never snowed while I've been there. I haven't thought about driving in the snow since I left the frozen north years ago.
Can anyone give me an idea if there are requirements for having snow tires on rental cars? Fines/liability/etc if you don't have them.
Thanks,
Boomer
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[QUOTE=Boomer10]I've visiting Germany a couple of times a year in the winter for the last 5-6 years. It's never snowed while I've been there. I haven't thought about driving in the snow since I left the frozen north years ago.
Can anyone give me an idea if there are requirements for having snow tires on rental cars? Fines/liability/etc if you don't have them.
Thanks,
Boomer[/QUOTE]German law now requires winter tires when driving on snow and most rental car companies charge extra for winter tires.
I usually check the weather forecast before deciding on winter tires. If you are not going to drive in the mountains the risk of snow is low. Also when it's snowing in Germany the roads are cleared pretty quickly.
The penalty for not having winter tires is something like 40€ but if you cause an accident or even blocks a road you can get serious problems. I don't think the rental car company will let you rent a car without winter tires if there is any risk of snow.
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Very rare to see an unshaved woman in a German FKK. I don't recall ever seeing it
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Mara at Bernds
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Very rare to see an unshaved woman in a German FKK. I don't recall ever seeing it[/QUOTE]
She is the first one who comes to mind immediately.
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Artemis Bushes
[QUOTE=Travel100]Are you serious. I don't think I've ever seen Unshaved pussy, with the exception of Mara (and to a lesser extent Katya) of Bernds.
I was going to post a question asking if anyone has seen unshaved pussy at FKK's anyway, so I'll do it now.
Especially interested in Oase, World, F39, and Bernds. Since those are the clubs I'll probably visit starting the end of next week.
So has anyone ever seen a Natural Bush in a FKK? Mara has the biggest Bush I've seen and even she shaves her Lips totally. I'm attracted to things that are different from the ordinary. Once I had a Flemish girl in the RLD (Amsterdam) with unshaved pits, that was a bit of a turn-on just because it was unique.
Has anyone else noticed what Everhard has? Any Bush or unshaved girls to be found at any of the clubs I mentioned? (or even at another club)[/QUOTE]
I agree that natural bush is a rare plant to find in the Western mongering world, but isn't it great to discover one now and then. Asia- now that's a different story.
There's a recent report on the Artemis thread by Wiild who writes of his recent visit :[QUOTE=Wiild]"Shaved: Less than I thought were totally shaved: I had hoped that 60-90% would have completely shaved pussies, but I guess it was more like 40%."[/QUOTE]
40%. I find that statistic amazing for 2 reasons:
1) Did he really stand there and count these off? (BTW- is there a line judge present to make the ruling that it qualifies as truly completely shaven?)
2) If it's true, how have I missed this? Where have all the bushes been all this time?
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Pleasure Palace - Frankfurt, Germany
Gents:
Few years ago, back in 2005, I visited this fantastic place in Frankfurt Germany, called the Pleasure Palace. Three huge rooms filled with over 40+ girls. It only cost 65 Euro to enter and each beautiful lady was 50 Euro for 30 minutes, MSOG.
Unfortuantely, I have not been able to locate their web site!
Does anyone know if they are still in business or if they changed their name?
Thank you all for your assitance,
F.
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[QUOTE=Jammerking69]Gents:
Few years ago, back in 2005, I visited this fantastic place in Frankfurt Germany, called the Pleasure Palace. Three huge rooms filled with over 40+ girls. It only cost 65 Euro to enter and each beautiful lady was 50 Euro for 30 minutes, MSOG.
Unfortuantely, I have not been able to locate their web site!
Does anyone know if they are still in business or if they changed their name?
Thank you all for your assitance,
F.[/QUOTE]
fkk-palace.de
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[QUOTE=Vito Corleone]fkk-palace.de[/QUOTE]
Yep, that's why we Palace lovers like it. The multiple shots on goal in 30 minutes for only 50 Euros.
Serious, entrance is now 75 Euros and the general consensus is that if you are perceived as a tourist or newbie, some of the ladies may try to take advantage of you (charging for non-standard extras, charging more than the regular price).
I've had good luck with the club, but I tend to session with the same ladies that I like and get consistently good service.
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Back to Germany again
Returning back to Germany, last July, after almost 8 months, caused to me at first a sense of unreality. I already had to renounce to a visit in March, and had been stuck with my problems and the obsessive and depressing atmosphere of my country, that took to me a while to be aware that I was really there again, forget all troubles and get ready to enjoy the goodness offered by this tolerant and polite country, that I like to call “Fuckland”.
I left on a Tuesday with an early flight to Frankfurt, plus 2h ½ to reach the Hotel in the Dusseldorf area, where I got a comfortable double room, plus an impressive breakfast, for an average of 43€ per night, a deal I found with booking.de.
However, although I am an estimator of Germany there are usually two things I couldn’t stand and never get used in hotels here: the bed cover they offer you, either to heavy or too light, so that you either sweat or freeze during the night, much better the Latin system of covering in layers, so that you can adapt to temperature according to your needs, and the absence of a bidet, which forces you either to take a full shower or to acrobatic maneuvers with the shower nozzle just to wash your asshole! I think at least in these two things North Europeans people (and Americans as well) should learn from Latin countries :)
After having already discovered and enjoyed last year what FKK clubs can offer, this trip was mainly of explorative nature. Thus I included in my plan to visit some FKK’s that I already knew, like GT and LR, but also a new one like VV, a PauscalClub, a Partytreff, a perhaps more old style brothel like F39 and a swinger club like Beverly. I am a curious guy, thus before dying :), or simply getting too old, I wanted to know if I was missing something.
You will find my reports for this trip in the appropriate sections. So, let’s proceed in order:
1) PauchalClub Airport [url=]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=772009&postcount=2274[/url]
2) Villa Vertigo [url=]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=772012&postcount=195[/url]
3) Goldentime [url=]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=772014&postcount=670[/url]
4) F39 [url=]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=772015&postcount=87[/url]
5) PT Xanten [url=]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=772020&postcount=2275[/url]
6) Beverly [url=]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=772022&postcount=63[/url]
7) Living Room [url=]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=772023&postcount=124[/url]
8) Oase [url=]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=772024&postcount=2761[/url]
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[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase]
Maybe the early days of Autumn are the better time to return to the Fatherland? [/QUOTE]
Hey LBC,
I'm am sure that no offense is meant by you and I hope that you will take what I am about to say the right way.
I'm not German as you know, but I imagine that the few readers on this board who are will not mention what I am about to.
While I can appreciate your desire to soak up as much of the German culture as you can, you might go easy on the "Fatherland" references. No one here (Germany) uses that word to describe Germany other than a few nut-ball right-wingers in idiotic political parties like the NPD and the Republikaner.
Nationalism is NOT "in" here. Hell, flying the German flag only recently became acceptable and this was the result of the WM football games a few years back.
Again, I am sure that you do not mean anything by it, but you have used the term "Fatherland" quite often and I imagine that some of our good friends who are German and read this board wince every time they read it. It is a word that references a time and attitude that most people here shudder to think about.
Please forgive my bluntness, but it just seems rather insensitive in my view. Considering the to up-to-date and valuable contributions that our German friends here provide us, I personally would be for avoiding this word.
Cheers,
Dedalus
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It does sound too much of the NS times...
... the National Socialists, in other words.
I would avoid using terms such as [i]Drang nach Osten[/i] or [i]Lebensraum[/i] or referring to Berlin as the [i]Reichshauptstadt[/i].
I've kidded German friends about things like this and they typically don't find it funny at all.
Extreme nationalism has only resulted in bad things for Germany and they are quite sensitive to such issues.
The phenomena of having them openly fly German flags is very recent and is all related to the success of the [i]Nationalelf[/i] or the German national football team.
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[QUOTE=Jackyo]I would avoid using terms such as [i]Drang nach Osten[/i] or [i]Lebensraum[/i] or referring to Berlin as the [i]Reichshauptstadt[/i]. [/QUOTE]
Nationalism is not very common for us Germans, obviously through our history. I as many other have not lived these times - and I am thankful for it, people call it "Gnade der späten Geburt" - and can't be held responsible. But we should never forget. Drive to Buchenwald or Auschwitz. It's worth it.
Lebensraum is a word abused by the Nazis. Also Reichshauptstadt. Berlin is Bundeshauptstadt, it is the Bundesrepublik Deutschland, not "Deutsches Reich". Nazi vocabulary and the times related are not things to make fun about. Same as some abreviations as SS, SA, NS, AH or related numbers used by Neonazis (18 for AH) or the Hells Angels (81 for HA).
HB
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A long term inflation perspective
A topic which invariably came up in conversations with friends during my last visit to Germany was the price of gasoline. This would then lead to a discussion about how prices in general have risen at unprecedented rates.
This, of course, led me to ask myself: How have prices for services at FKK clubs evolved in the time I’ve been indulging in these services?
I found some old notes from my very first FKK trip in 1999 and thought I’d do a pricing comparison.
Back then pricing was in DMarks but the Euro was on the horizon and eventually became the payment currency in the January, 2002 time-frame.
The exchange rate for this conversion was 1.95583 DMarks to 1 Euro. For purposes of keeping things simple, let’s just say it was 2.00 DM to 1.00 Euro.
If you remember that far back, the conversion of the DMark to the Euro led to all sorts of jokes about the new “Teuro”. The Euro was perceived to be a smokescreen for everyone to raise prices across all businesses. That was the prevailing worry.
I compared the entry fee plus a single session for the following clubs: Inges/Arena, Babylon, Blue Note, PHG for the 1999 and 2008 time frame. I also compared the three session rate at the Grimbergsauna (a Red Carpet club) and the PT rate at Hilden Superparty (which later moved and became PT Mettmann) for the same time period. (Note: Entry fees first followed by the per session fee.)
Inges/Arena, before 50 (a special entry fee, she said when I entered this club – I believe it was normally 100 DMarks) + 70 = 120 DMarks, after 35 + 50 = 85 Euros
Babylon, before 70 + 150 = 220 DMarks, after 35 + 75 = 110 Euros
Blue Note, before 100 + 70 = 170 DMarks, after 55 + 30 = 85 Euros
PHG, before 100 + 100 = 200 DMarks, after 50 + 50 = 100 Euros
Grimbergsauna, before 230 DMarks for three sessions, after 30 + (30 times 3) = 120 Euros
Hilden/PT Mettmann, before 200 or 250 DMarks, after 100 or 120 Euros
I did not compare the pricing of extras or extended sessions to keep things simple.
PHG offered a BJ with and a BJ without option previously. I compared pricing for the BJ without.
I am trying to find my notes on Bernds from this time period but haven’t succeeded yet.
The FKK world at that time was lot simpler. Red Carpet clubs were where I cut my teeth. Oase had just opened. I don’t believe Atlantis was in the picture yet. GT and World were a twinkle in someone’s eyes.
The results of this comparison surprised me. This rough sampling points to almost no price inflation over the past nine years in Euro terms.
If you earn dollars though, there definitely has been inflation.
The average dollar to Euro exchange rate in 1999 was $0.94. It is around $1.57 these days which means in dollar terms rates have increased 67% or 5.9% per year on a compound annual rate for the past nine years.
This compound annual rate is derived from the following equation:
FV = PV X ((1 + i) ^n)
Where FV = Future value, PV = Present value, i = interest rate, n = number of compound periods.
So solving for i or the interest rate,
((FV/PV) ^ (1/n)) – 1 = i
In other words, take the nth root of the future value divided by the present value and deduct one from that quantity.
There have not been any differences in services provided during this time frame so I think this is an apples to apples comparison. As I’ve written before, the concept of post-coital time has totally disappeared. I would be curious to see if its returned to Babylon. The mix of women has changed at these clubs in favor of Romanians and Bulgarians.
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[QUOTE=Jackyo]
As I’ve written before, the concept of post-coital time has totally disappeared. I would be curious to see if its returned to Babylon. The mix of women has changed at these clubs in favor of Romanians and Bulgarians.[/QUOTE]
What's the equation for solving the post-coital decrease?
((FV/PC) ^ (n/1)) +1 = i ? with PC being post coital and FV being fuck value ;-)
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I'm working on this equation, dude!
[QUOTE=Breadman]What's the equation for solving the post-coital decrease?
((FV/PC) ^ (n/1)) +1 = i ? with PC being post coital and FV being fuck value ;-)[/QUOTE]
I'm still trying to get by "the heat of the meat is directly proportional to the angle of the dangle". :)
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[QUOTE=Jackyo]I'm still trying to get by "the heat of the meat is directly proportional to the angle of the dangle". :)[/QUOTE]It is porportional only if you multiply by the mass of the ass and then divide by the penis envy constant.
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FKKs are still good value compared to mongering in North America. A good escort that would be equal to a less attractive FKK girl in the US will cost 300 to 400 dollars a session, even with a devalued greenback, you can still get some excellent sex at an FKK.
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Ha!
[QUOTE=Caesarr999]It is porportional only if you multiply by the mass of the ass and then divide by the penis envy constant.[/QUOTE]
There you go!
The heat of the meat and angle of the dangle relationship is interesting because it would require a function which converts degrees of temperature into directional degrees.
Add to this the mass of ass and the penis envy constant and you have some whopping equation!
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]FKKs are still good value compared to mongering in North America. A good escort that would be equal to a less attractive FKK girl in the US will cost 300 to 400 dollars a session, even with a devalued greenback, you can still get some excellent sex at an FKK.[/QUOTE]
Canada used to be the place...85 usd for an hour. Now its closer to 180 usd for an hour. And you'd be lucky if you actually luck out and book the girls on the top of your list.
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I remember the first time I entered an FKK in 2001 I could not believe how ridiculously cheap it was, in Babylon I had sex with five beautiful women for less money than I spent in the US for escorts who were mediocre in service. Although it has become more expensive, I still think its a good value.
In Canada the only decent action is in Montreal, that city has an amazing variety of providers.
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Pse
Hello!
I see references in the reports to 'PSE' experience as compared to 'GFE' attitude with some nice ladies from time to time. Would you guys explain to a newbie what the real difference is and what Porn Star Experience session usually gives to a guy? No explanation found in the forums. Looks like smth better to have from the babe I choose for a session. :) PM me if feel more appropriate.
Thanks,
Turisto
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Engineering Vernacular
[QUOTE=Jackyo]I'm still trying to get by "the heat of the meat is directly proportional to the angle of the dangle". :)[/QUOTE]This would be "The angle of dangle is proportional to the heat of the moment".
WL
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PSE - explanation
Got the answers in other threads.
Thanks for sharing.
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PSE and GFE...
[QUOTE=Turisto]Hello!
I see references in the reports to 'PSE' experience as compared to 'GFE' attitude with some nice ladies from time to time. Would you guys explain to a newbie what the real difference is and what Porn Star Experience session usually gives to a guy? No explanation found in the forums. Looks like smth better to have from the babe I choose for a session. :) PM me if feel more appropriate.
Thanks,
Turisto[/QUOTE]
... are, like beauty. They are in the eye of the beholder.
The whole thing boils down to how much of a connection you have to the chick you are with.
Some guys are perfectly fine with how she looks, etc.. Others make a list of abbreviations as in: DFK, DATY, etc... I think it comes down to whether you have a connection with her or not.
If you like her and she likes being with you, it will feel right. She will bend the rules in your favor: a forty or forty-five minute session is within the accepted range for a standard thirty minute session. After you come she doesn't become all business-like and start making the bed. She will just to lie there and indulge in some pillow talk (you are, after all, such pleasant company so why not?). The bed can be made later. No hurry.
I don't connect with all of the women I am with. The ones I do connect with have a lot in common: they have a sense of humor, they are communicative and articulate and smarter than the average. They also have to speak fluent or near fluent German. I am working on my Polish but can't put two words together in Russian, Romanian or Bulgarian.
Months down the road when I revisit the club, she will see me and greet with me with a huge smile because she genuinely had a good time the last time. Making a favorable impression like this is, to me, an achievement.
There is nothing more unsexy than a dumb chick who doesn't know how to make conversation, doesn't laugh or smile and who can't make complete sentences. She may look like a "10" and it still won't change anything.
Germans have a word for it. Its her [i]Ausstrahlung[/i] or her aura, which matters.
So what does it come down to? You need to be well groomed, etc... but also need to know how to turn on the charm. They are women after all.
If you are socially challenged, this is going to be a difficult.
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Razzia at the Globe in ZRH
Has the recent Razzia at the Globe in Zuerich sent any of those women across the border into Deutschland?
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GFE and PSE
A simple test.
If you don't know which was which during the session, you certainly will 15 minutes after, upon quiet reflection on the couch.
[QUOTE=Jackyo]... are, like beauty. They are in the eye of the beholder.
The whole thing boils down to how much of a connection you have to the chick you are with.
Some guys are perfectly fine with how she looks, etc.. Others make a list of abbreviations as in: DFK, DATY, etc... I think it comes down to whether you have a connection with her or not.
If you like her and she likes being with you, it will feel right. She will bend the rules in your favor: a forty or forty-five minute session is within the accepted range for a standard thirty minute session. After you come she doesn't become all business-like and start making the bed. She will just to lie there and indulge in some pillow talk (you are, after all, such pleasant company so why not?). The bed can be made later. No hurry.
I don't connect with all of the women I am with. The ones I do connect with have a lot in common: they have a sense of humor, they are communicative and articulate and smarter than the average. They also have to speak fluent or near fluent German. I am working on my Polish but can't put two words together in Russian, Romanian or Bulgarian.
Months down the road when I revisit the club, she will see me and greet with me with a huge smile because she genuinely had a good time the last time. Making a favorable impression like this is, to me, an achievement.
There is nothing more unsexy than a dumb chick who doesn't know how to make conversation, doesn't laugh or smile and who can't make complete sentences. She may look like a "10" and it still won't change anything.
Germans have a word for it. Its her [i]Ausstrahlung[/i] or her aura, which matters.
So what does it come down to? You need to be well groomed, etc... but also need to know how to turn on the charm. They are women after all.
If you are socially challenged, this is going to be a difficult.[/QUOTE]
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Well said Jackyo
[QUOTE=Jackyo]... are, like beauty. They are in the eye of the beholder.
The whole thing boils down to how much of a connection you have to the chick you are with.
Some guys are perfectly fine with how she looks, etc.. Others make a list of abbreviations as in: DFK, DATY, etc... I think it comes down to whether you have a connection with her or not.
If you like her and she likes being with you, it will feel right. She will bend the rules in your favor: a forty or forty-five minute session is within the accepted range for a standard thirty minute session. After you come she doesn't become all business-like and start making the bed. She will just to lie there and indulge in some pillow talk (you are, after all, such pleasant company so why not?). The bed can be made later. No hurry.
I don't connect with all of the women I am with. The ones I do connect with have a lot in common: they have a sense of humor, they are communicative and articulate and smarter than the average. They also have to speak fluent or near fluent German. I am working on my Polish but can't put two words together in Russian, Romanian or Bulgarian.
Months down the road when I revisit the club, she will see me and greet with me with a huge smile because she genuinely had a good time the last time. Making a favorable impression like this is, to me, an achievement.
There is nothing more unsexy than a dumb chick who doesn't know how to make conversation, doesn't laugh or smile and who can't make complete sentences. She may look like a "10" and it still won't change anything.
Germans have a word for it. Its her [i]Ausstrahlung[/i] or her aura, which matters.
So what does it come down to? You need to be well groomed, etc... but also need to know how to turn on the charm. They are women after all.
If you are socially challenged, this is going to be a difficult.[/QUOTE]
I find this to be very well said. I have had some very GFE sessions that were not full of DATY,DFK, etc. If there is some kind of nice connection with the girl I consider it a GFE. It is not about scoring points but how well you relate to the girl and how she relates to you.
I also personally find a woman who opens (both physically and mentally) to me because of how I am with her way sexier than a woman who is "open" as soon as I pay her the money. That is, sometime I meet a working girl who is not that open and sort of restrictive but as we relate in a session she opens just a bit and this is a huge turn on to me.
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This is true too!
[QUOTE=Excess]A simple test.
If you don't know which was which during the session, you certainly will 15 minutes after, upon quiet reflection on the couch.[/QUOTE]
You just need to sit back, close your eyes and imagine the session all over again.
It will come to you via quiet reflection.
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Its a state of mind
[QUOTE=Angus Magee]I find this to be very well said. I have had some very GFE sessions that were not full of DATY,DFK, etc. If there is some kind of nice connection with the girl I consider it a GFE. It is not about scoring points but how well you relate to the girl and how she relates to you.
I also personally find a woman who opens (both physically and mentally) to me because of how I am with her way sexier than a woman who is "open" as soon as I pay her the money. That is, sometime I meet a working girl who is not that open and sort of restrictive but as we relate in a session she opens just a bit and this is a huge turn on to me.[/QUOTE]
You are like me, then, Angus.
I never remember my best sessions in terms of whether she went through an abbreviation checklist. I do remember if there was a connection.
The most erotic session I ever had was with a redheaded chick from the Ruhr at Bernds, Janina, probably five years ago. Medium height, medium build.
There was a time when the dining room at Bernds had a partition separating a doorless bedroom and had a couch just outside it. You could see into the bedroom because it had all sorts of mirrors. I approached her in the main room and we retired to that couch.
Her foreplay was unbelievable. It was the way she kissed, the way she held me. She was funny and communicative. She hovered above me and I was convinced she was going to bareback me (which she didn't) but the sense of anticipation (and danger) she created was out of this world.
There was actually minimal contact in the traditional sense of what sex is. There was no BJ (or maybe there was a BJ involved but I can't remember it) or HJ involved. There wasn't, for that matter, any penetration involved. There was lots of physical contact but it was very light, non-aggressive. When I came it was like coming during a wet dream. It was a total release.
Sex with her wasn't about the physical interaction we had. A lot of it was that she knew how to turn on switches in my brain.
Since then this has been my concept of what an ideal session is. Women who are really good at foreplay like she was are not easy to find.
I had one more session with her. Next time I returned to Bernds she was gone.
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proper way to sauna?
I'll admit it, I've visited all the clubs and just never bothered to ask anyone what that hot sweat box was in the corner. Tried it out though and have to say im hooked on doing the sauna and then the girls...or vice versa. Have to admit though, I really don't know what im doing except going in and getting the sweat drained out of me...
Maybe someone can provide some simple instructions for the use of the sauna here? Might be a good thing to include in the Questions section as well.
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[QUOTE=Breadman]Maybe someone can provide some simple instructions for the use of the sauna here? Might be a good thing to include in the Questions section as well.[/QUOTE]
Sauna - just a great way to relax you body, your muscles, your mind, to strengthen your health - wunderbar!
Maybe this helps:
http://www.visitfinland.com/w5/trade/index.nsf/(Pages)/Sauna?opendocument&np=A
HB
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Sauna use from Wikipedia
The bottom part of this posting on Wikipedia discusses the procedure.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauna[/url]
If you have noticed there usually are wordless pictograms outside almost every sauna which describe what to do. Saunieren, then cold shower, a rest period, then repeat as necessary.
There is also the German tradition of the [i]Aufguss[/i] which involves a ceremony where the [i]Saunameister[/i] swings his towel around to move the air around and then pours scented water on the hot sauna stones. Very stimulating.
At the end of a good Aufguss session, [i]Beifall wird geklatscht[/i].
The last time I was at Finca there was this dude who was obviously oversaunaed. He couldn't stand up in the sauna and claimed the room was spinning around. His friend helped him out quickly and after a cold shower he was fine. As the posting says, they can be dangerous.
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[QUOTE=Jackyo]The last time I was at Finca there was this dude who was obviously oversaunaed. He couldn't stand up in the sauna and claimed the room was spinning around. His friend helped him out quickly and after a cold shower he was fine. As the posting says, they can be dangerous.[/QUOTE]
Yep, being 'oversaunaed' is not very advisable. It happened to me in a non-FKK club a few years ago during an aufguss - tunnel vision that was rapidly narrowing and I only just managed to get out of the sauna before I passed out.
One thing about the sauna is that it can make you last longer in the room. If I go to the sauna before having sex I always struggle to cum. I mentioned this to a girl who used to work in Samya and she said this was well know by the girls and, according to her, saunas also make your willy smaller! If she met a man that was a bit large for her she would go into the sauna with him first and then after a few minutes messing around in the heat they would go to the room and she wouldn't have a problem with his size. The things you learn in a club :)
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[QUOTE=Jackyo]The last time I was at Finca there was this dude who was obviously oversaunaed. He couldn't stand up in the sauna and claimed the room was spinning around. His friend helped him out quickly and after a cold shower he was fine. As the posting says, they can be dangerous.[/QUOTE]
I would be especially cautious with the sauna were I using recreational performance enhancing drugs i.e. Viagra or the like.
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Another way to look at it
2 tips just by the way for those with someone to go home to:
1. Make sure you always have at least one shot left in the locker for her. It will diffuse suspicions like nothing else.
2. Go to the sauna just before you leave, and shower well without soap afterwards. Great for getting rid of perfume, oil, cream and other tell-tale smells.
Not noticed how often the locals do that?
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[QUOTE=Angus Magee]I would be especially cautious with the sauna were I using recreational performance enhancing drugs i.e. Viagra or the like.[/QUOTE]Viagra, Sauna and lots of Red Bull to stay awake. Add extensive sex with young horny girls on top of that cocktail. No wonder people are dying in those places.
I can't wait to be back.
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[QUOTE=Breadman]I'll admit it, I've visited all the clubs and just never bothered to ask anyone what that hot sweat box was in the corner. Tried it out though and have to say im hooked on doing the sauna and then the girls...or vice versa. Have to admit though, I really don't know what im doing except going in and getting the sweat drained out of me...
Maybe someone can provide some simple instructions for the use of the sauna here? Might be a good thing to include in the Questions section as well.[/QUOTE]Here are some thoughts about the use of sauna that I once were taught.
Firstly put your sandals outside the sauna and don't bring them into the sauna.
In the sauna the best and most relaxing way is to lay down on one of the benches.
Put two towels on the bench so it covers all of your body and make sure no sweat drops on the benches. If you prefer to sit on the bench instead make sure your arms and body are in a relaxing position and also that you have a towel for your feet. Remember, no sweat on the benches.
In public saunas the use of towels to make sure NO body parts touch the benches is strictly followed and the Saunameister himself will control and make sure all guests follow this rule.
In most FKK clubs nobody really cares but if you want to show good sauna ethics make sure you cover the benches with towel(s).
Also it's a good sauna ethic to greet the other people then entering the sauna. A short "hello" is enough. The people in the sauna will usually reply "hello" or whatever. Again this practice is not very common in the FKK clubs we talk about here.
After the sauna take a cold shower and a glass of water or two. Drink water and not beer for this purpose. If you drink alcohol you need to drink even more water. It's good to make sure you drink enough water even 6-8 hours before extensive sauna use.
Rest outside the sauna for at least the same time as you spent in the sauna before you re-enter.
For hygienic reasons it's important to always shower before jumping into the pool or whirlpool. Most locals who are used to good sauna practice will find it disgusting to see people running directly from the sauna to the pool without having a shower in between.
Also the sauna is a place to relax and not a place for loud discussions. If you want to talk to your friends please do so but try to avoid being too loud.
If you are new to using the sauna I recommend a maximum of 5-10 minutes in the sauna to start with. Use one of the hourglasses in the sauna to keep track of the time.
Remember the top bench is hottest. If you think it's too hot there then move down. If the lowest bench is too hot also, well get out of the sauna and try again later. To be on the safe side: If it doesn't feel good it's probably not good either.
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The things the girls know!
[QUOTE=Warsteiner]One thing about the sauna is that it can make you last longer in the room. If I go to the sauna before having sex I always struggle to cum. I mentioned this to a girl who used to work in Samya and she said this was well know by the girls and, according to her, saunas also make your willy smaller! If she met a man that was a bit large for her she would go into the sauna with him first and then after a few minutes messing around in the heat they would go to the room and she wouldn't have a problem with his size. The things you learn in a club :)[/QUOTE]
Ha! This one I'd never heard before!
I often wonder why it is the women don't sauna at the clubs. Once in a while I'll see one run in for a bit but typically she'll spend a few minutes and then run out again. If its healthy and good for the male guests, it must be good for the women too.
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Glasses, sex, yoga and greeting in a sauna
Oh, yes. Don't go into the sauna with your glasses.
I've had problems with plastic frames warping because the heat.
They typically have glasses holders or little shelves just outside them for you to place them.
As to actually having sex in a sauna, this I've not done yet. I've been in one with a chick or two and fooled around but just not had sex. She usually found it too hot and we left after some foreplay.
I try to get into yoga poses when I'm in them.
As most folks in northern Germany do, a simple [i]Moin[/i] is enough to greet any newcomers as they come in.
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[QUOTE=Warsteiner]saunas also make your willy smaller! [/QUOTE]
Yes, sure, mine has almost gone after countless sauna sessions. ;-)
HB
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[QUOTE=Jackyo]Ha! This one I'd never heard before!
I often wonder why it is the women don't sauna at the clubs. Once in a while I'll see one run in for a bit but typically she'll spend a few minutes and then run out again. If its healthy and good for the male guests, it must be good for the women too.[/QUOTE]
Jackyo,
I think girls using the sauna for a a minute or a couple of minutes is actually a quick way for them to dry up thoroughly after douching. A girl wandering around still with beads of water un-dried off from her body can be arguable is not a complete look.
Then again it may be that girls are going to get horny from being heated up in the sauna as Warsteiner says.
Cheers,
Londonbasketcase
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Sauna Sex
[QUOTE=Jackyo] As to actually having sex in a sauna, this I've not done yet. I've been in one with a chick or two and fooled around but just not had sex. She usually found it too hot and we left after some foreplay.
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I've had a couple of sessions over the years in the Oase sauna which has one of the best saunas in FKK land, and most recently enjoyed a multi-session sauna adventure with Sylvia and others at Mettmann. We were dripping...and it was unforgettable.
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[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]Yes, sure, mine has almost gone after countless sauna sessions. ;-)
HB[/QUOTE]In your case, Bub, we'll leave the word "sauna" out of that sentence... LOL
Not done it in the FKK sauna, but in a Russian banya (at the bottom of the dacha garden), which is very similar, unless someone's trying to whip you with birch twigs at the same time.... Three things stick in the mind: it was exhausting and had to be quick; heart pounds; and it's not too pleasant if the shithouse is next door.
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[QUOTE=Toscana]In your case, Bub, we'll leave the word "sauna" out of that sentence... LOL
Not done it in the FKK sauna, but in a Russian banya (at the bottom of the dacha garden), which is very similar, unless someone's trying to whip you with birch twigs at the same time.... Three things stick in the mind: it was exhausting and had to be quick; heart pounds; and it's not too pleasant if the shithouse is next door.[/QUOTE]
I remember doing this a few times back in the earlier Oase days. $Alina, Anita, Ilka and Melanie took me down that road. Had fun each time but I have not relived those fond memories in a while but those were the days!
No one tried to whip me with a birch twig. I guess that costs extra ;-)))
May try that again when the weather starts to get cooler.
Cheers,
Dedalus
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Thanks for the recognition
[QUOTE=Jackyo]Iseeu hit the 1,000 posting mark!
This is like watching the odometer in the car roll over. Its not an opportunity to be missed!
Congratulations, dude! Looking forward to your next 1,000 posts.
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[QUOTE=Excess]Congrats, Iseeu and thanks for the many insightful posts. More than a few have aided me in my Club wanderings.
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I hadn't noticed until I read your posts that I'd hit that magic number. Hard to believe that I've clicked on the "Add Report" button so many times, or that I've actually had that much to say on this topic. Thanks for calling me out,,,
Although I discovered and played the German sex scene and FKK's before discovering WSG/ISG, this board has been very helpful to me these last 6 years, and it's great to be part of a community of like minded souls, for the sharing of info, and reassuring of the conscious.
I have a pretty full life outside this board, and mostly only monger on trips abroad. A while back, as a time-saving measure, I decided to only post if I had something new to add, had seen some change, had something profound to say or a keen insight to offer this august assemblage. I've resisted the urge to post after every club visit or P4P situation, just to say "I was there" or "I f*cked x, and then y and then z", because those posts don't really help anybody and end up polluting the forum with sterile reports. I've also tried to avoid the "Yes, I agree.", or "me too" postings (the operative word here is "tried to") and to keep my posts relevant, informative, and pleasurable to read.
I've also tried to keep a level mind about all of this, and not take it too seriously. It's just a hobby, and after all is said and done, this isn't nuclear science or global warming that we're dealing with here- it's just figuratively and literally getting our rocks off.
I wish that I could find more time for the "research" side of this hobby and reach the level of expertise and knowledge of Jackyo, WK, Dedalus and others, but it is what it is. It's very gratifying to get a PM or meet someone at a club, who has read this forum, and to hear from him that my posts were helpful or instrumental in getting him to try an FKK club, or the P4P scene, or the swinger scene. That and the community of people that I've met through the board and friends that I've made here are really the only justifications for staying up way past all my other commitments are completed, perusing the forum and posting.
And since life is dynamic and we have only limited experience sets, it's important to be open to new untested worlds and learn from the experiences of others. To quote from Sun Tzu's, The Art of War: "Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." I've certainly found and enjoyed an "infinite variety of circumstances" and this website has had a big role in helping me to discover some of the infinite variety of mongering experiences throughout Europe, Asia and Africa. Just giving back...
Njoy and keep mongering...
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[QUOTE=Jackyo]Ha! This one I'd never heard before!
I often wonder why it is the women don't sauna at the clubs. Once in a while I'll see one run in for a bit but typically she'll spend a few minutes and then run out again. If its healthy and good for the male guests, it must be good for the women too.[/QUOTE]
Yep, although it can 'dry them out'. This same girl mentioned that she used saunas a lot and now always has to use lube during sex as she never gets wet.
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Virgin Impressions
Hey, I’m flattered to read all the nice comments about my “FKK Virgin Tour” reports. Maybe I’m a slight ringer because I’ve written many escort reports in the US, but it is also true I started “hobbying” less than two years ago. Really, though, if any part of the writing was inspired, it is because this simply was the most astounding week I’ve ever had. I also met a new good friend with whom I hope I can coordinate a trip again soon. Reading this site opened up the world of FKK’s for me, and I wanted to share in return.
I was worried people might get irritated by all those asides on my legitimate sightseeing, so I’m glad a number of you found that interesting. As someone who has been kind of a germanophile for many years (ever since I studied for a year in beautiful Freiburg), it just seemed someone is missing a lot if he doesn’t experience some of the local culture and history, a perfect change of pace from the sexual adventuring. To me, that was an added element of excitement, that I could combine these two hobbies. Now I see that many of our main posters share those interests. And I guess if you’re not interested, you can just skip to the descriptions of the clubs and the girls.
Limburg turned out to be a good choice for the week’s home base. Every club I visited was within an hour’s drive, and there are more I didn’t get to. It’s a small town, which I always find more relaxing and fun than a big city like Frankfurt, and like a lot of small towns in Germany, it’s been there for a thousand years or more, so in all that time usually something of interest has happened or been built. Part II describes a little about the cathedral and museum there.
Iseeu has ruined the excuse I had for writing this, because he already has linked all the reports together as I was going to do. I’ve copied his work here:
Part I Finca: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.in...34&postcount=67[/url]
Part II Bernd's:[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.in...5&postcount=970[/url]
Part III World: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.in...&postcount=2392[/url]
Part IV Bernd's again: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.in...9&postcount=973[/url]
Part V Oase:[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.in...&postcount=2895[/url]
However, his much-too-kind words have made me feel it’s OK to add some final thoughts anyway. Nothing you guys don’t already know, but just the things I found especially amazing.
A great bargain: Even with the dollar at rock bottom, there are still two great bargains in Germany. One is top-quality wine purchased from the winemaker, touched on in one of the reports (Part IV I think). The other is SEX. This is from the US perspective, where an escort costs $150 an hour and up. Actually, the kind of gorgeous women I saw would be $300 an hour and up, depending where in the US you are. But in an FKK the basic half hour costs just 50 Euros (which was about $80 at the beginning of my trip and about $70 by the end! ). And that’s plenty of time, because you’re already naked and have done whatever flirting you want and in many cases gotten a good deal of foreplay in before you go off to the room. If you want extras or more time, that’s just as economical on an a la carte basis.
People go to Costa Rico or Colombia or Thailand to get sex even cheaper, but really, this is cheap, especially in a first-world country with all of its security and conveniences.
Consistency: I find it really interesting that all the FKK girls, from the old and tired to the sex-goddess-made-flesh, cost the same 50 Euros. And that it was 50 Euros in every place. Doesn’t make sense to me, but I guess there are places like Lug-ins-Land which I didn’t get to where the entry is 50 Euros and the girls seem to be 30 Euros a half hour. I also find it interesting that escorts (Hobbyhuren) seem to cost about what they do in the US, at least I saw ads for 200 Euros/hour and up. In the face of that competition?
For overall cost, a flight from the US to Germany is expensive, particularly in the summer when I went, so from that point of view it’s not cheap. If you think like me, that I would have (and in fact have) paid for a flight there just to enjoy a great vacation in such a historic and interesting country, then it’s cheap again. I took $2, 000 cash "fuck money" with me, and came back with $1, 100 in hand. For the cost of three escort sessions here for me (I usually take at least an hour and a half) I had 9 great out of 10 total sessions with 10 different beautiful women. Now that doesn’t include the club costs. You can account for that however you want, but for me, every day I went to a club I had no food costs. There is always a big breakfast at German hotels, with sausage and cold cuts and cheese and soft boiled eggs and so on. That fueled me for a day of touring, and then I had an afternoon snack and dinner at the clubs. Getting free food, drinks and sometimes beer, not to mention a free room for activities and saunas and all that, with naked girls walking all around you, is one hell of a bargain compared to a US strip club just in those terms.
Relaxation: Everything that’s wrong about the hobby in the US is right in a German FKK. No secret Emailing to set up clandestine meetings. No worries about who’s standing in the hall of the hotel. No arranging something for the two-hour window you have next Wednesday and then finding you just don’t feel so excited that day, or that you’d like to relax for an hour before you take your enjoyment. Nobody asking for references or even asking your name. That was the most refreshing part for me, everything which puts me off or makes me nervous (and therefore sometimes hinders my performance) is blessedly absent.
The theme park: What a great gimmick this sauna club is! Water is always a relaxing element. Massages fit right in with that. From the first time, I felt completely natural and not awkward at all walking around with just a towel wrapped around my waist. It makes the nakedness of all the girls seem natural, too, and in truth I would not have thought twice about walking around completely naked myself, if that were the style in the club. None of the guys care what you look like, that’s for sure, and I’m not sure the women do, either. And all of this just reinforces the cleanliness aspect. Showers are mandatory, the women expect you to be squeaky clean. All the risks for hobbying in the US are just about completely solved in this environment (illegality, danger, ripoff), except for health risks, and the whole theme of these clubs, at least the upscale ones I visited, made me feel the health risk is as low as one could ever expect. What a deliciously deviant evolution of the traditional nudist movement.
Variety: On this trip I had sex with my first Thai girl ever, my first dark-skinned Brazilian goddess, my first Colombian woman, my first Bulgarian and Croatian beauties, fell in love with my first Polish maiden, and took my pleasure with erotic girls who were half and half German and Thai, or German and French. There were Italian and Greek and Hungarian and Czech girls all over who I never got to, and I could easily have found Philippinos and Malaysians and Africans. The entire world of sexual enticement, all within an hour’s drive of little Limburg an der Lahn.
Did I mention good ol' German Fraeuleine, too? There were some of those.
The High: All of the above combined to give me the most incredible sexual high I’ve ever been on. I don’t feel like I’m bragging when I report this, because so many posters have reported going WAY beyond what I did, but having sex with 10 women in six nights (albeit finishing "only" 7 times) is a level of activity I’ve never had before. And The Aftermath! Since I’ve been home, when I should by all rights be completely worn out, I’ve had sex every night except the first (four more times to date). That has NEVER happened with me.
Disadvantages? : There must be some, I just cannot think of any. I suppose, at root, an FKK is a brothel, so it’s pretty anonymous and meaningless sex. Somehow that doesn’t strike me as a disadvantage at the moment, but I guess the lack of the companionship element is why they have escorts in Germany, too. I suppose the women don’t really think you’re the greatest lover ever, and they might be thinking about the next Gucci handbag then can get when they’re fucking you, but 9 of the 10 women I was with made me feel like I was the King of Things.
My friend and I truly felt like Caesars on that last night in the Oase. After my Polish fantasy girl at World, all the others were so beautiful I felt I wanted to fuck every one of them, just not that night. So, for those of you who have asked or have commented, yes, I will be back. As soon I can find the excuse for another trip.
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This is why we visit FKK clubs instead of the Laufhaeuser
[quote=Gentleman Travel]I thought the whole raison d'être of FKK was clear pricing and virtually no negotiation. Okay, some of this is about "extras", but again I thought they were well-defined. But some of it seems to be about simply paying more for a certain girl. Or is it all about extras?[/quote]
One shouldn't have to negotiate. And at reputable clubs one never has to.
At some clubs the girls push extras to increase their service charges beyond the entry level price points and they go into an upsell mode.
What to do in this case? Avoid those clubs.
The most common billing disputes revolve around which services were performed and/or what time was actually spent together.
The general rule on couch activity is that you have committed yourself once she has made oral contact with your member. Is this a hard and fast rule? More or less.
I've also had women argue to me that the clock starts ticking once we sit together at a couch and that foreplay even if it just consists of light contact and occasional kissing sets off the stopwatch.
And as I've written before, if you have found yourself a true hooker with a heart of gold and you and she get along well, she will bend the rules and won't be so much of a stickler for time nor for what is considered an extra or not.
I don't make out with girlfriends in real life with a clock ticking in the background counting out thirty minute segments. This is was a GFE is about as opposed to the equations which guys put together with abbreviations.
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This is what happens to you...
[QUOTE=Johnny Z]As someone who has been kind of a germanophile for many years (ever since I studied for a year in beautiful Freiburg), it just seemed someone is missing a lot if he doesn’t experience some of the local culture and history, a perfect change of pace from the sexual adventuring. To me, that was an added element of excitement, that I could combine these two hobbies. Now I see that many of our main posters share those interests. And I guess if you’re not interested, you can just skip to the descriptions of the clubs and the girls. [/quote]
... if you have an academic interest in German.
I've been going since forever for social, linguistic and cultural reasons but had never ever indulged in the German P4P scene until I started reading about these clubs a decade ago.
So I said, why not drop by and see what this is all about?
In my case it was like opening a door onto a world which I had no idea existed at all.
So I know what you are going through. I warn you though, its a slippery slope. FKK clubs are addictive and like any true addiction, you need to keep raising the dosage beyond the previous level it was at otherwise its not as effective.
[quote=Johnny Z]I suppose, at root, an FKK is a brothel, so it’s pretty anonymous and meaningless sex.[/QUOTE]
Routard once complained in a posting here about how some of the women look too much like hookers and when its over there is an empty feeling which takes you over.
Yes, it can be anonymous and meaningless sex but it needn't be.
It is the prospect of finding a chick who delivers a true GFE is what has me returning year after year.
As I've written before a GFE is a chick who I'd really like to have as a girlfriend in real life. I don't go out with inarticulate women who don't have a sense of humor and aren't very smart. Nothing turns me off more than a dumb chick who may look good but is a dud personality-wise and has nothing to say.
So I hold FKK club women to the same standard and guess what, they do exist. They are hard to find but they do exist.
Sex with a chick like this isn't so meaningless and the better I get to know them (and they get to know me), it becomes less anonymous too.
My current approach to this is to pick only a few girls and clubs to "invest" time and money in. Running around from club to club to meet up with random, gypsy (and I mean this in the true sense of the word: some of these women are really Gypsies) providers only results in having mostly anonymous and meaningless sex.
Yes, I am quite aware that it is an illusion. No worries about my blurring that line between reality and the illusion each "provider-artist" creates. (The women don't take on [i]Kunstlernamen[/i] for nothing.)
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[QUOTE=Johnny Z]For overall cost, a flight from the US to Germany is expensive, particularly in the summer when I went, so from that point of view it’s not cheap. If you think like me, that I would have (and in fact have) paid for a flight there just to enjoy a great vacation in such a historic and interesting country, then it’s cheap again. I took $2, 000 cash "fuck money" with me, and came back with $1, 100 in hand. For the cost of three escort sessions here for me (I usually take at least an hour and a half) I had 9 great out of 10 total sessions with 10 different beautiful women.][/QUOTE]
If you start making plans for flights in the off peak season, you'll find the fare's much cheaper...and the women are still willing to take your money for 50 euro's. This will build up your airmiles, 50k is a free trip in the summer...5 visits at 450 for airfare and the next 2,000 dollar flight is free. Sign up for the delta, continental or american airlines credit card and start getting those bonus miles while they are still offering them. I find it amazing that the euro dropped so quickly in such a short time....80 to 74 in such a short time.
And though your trip is done, keep active these next couple of months...things will come to mind that you forgot....or someone will ask a question that you'll know the answer to...and then...your really hooked.
where have you written on the U.S. scene? and under the same handle? Im on the montreal board often....merb dot ca
Limburg, is that city east of Munich? If that's the city you stayed in, hitting Bernds, Oase and World must have cost you a pretty penny in gas. There are tons of hotels in small cities between these 3 clubs that are cheap and offer the small town feeling.
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Jackyo,
When I first started to look at ISG and read many of your comments, I knew we had some common perspectives, but you keep surprising me with more. We really need to meet some time. I'll have to keep track of your trips.
[QUOTE=Jackyo]I warn you though, its a slippery slope. FKK clubs are addictive and like any true addiction, you need to keep raising the dosage beyond the previous level it was at otherwise its not as effective.
Routard once complained in a posting here about how some of the women look too much like hookers and when its over there is an empty feeling which takes you over.
Yes, it can be anonymous and meaningless sex but it needn't be.
It is the prospect of finding a chick who delivers a true GFE is what has me returning year after year.
As I've written before a GFE is a chick who I'd really like to have as a girlfriend in real life. I don't go out with inarticulate women who don't have a sense of humor and aren't very smart. Nothing turns me off more than a dumb chick who may look good but is a dud personality-wise and has nothing to say.
So I hold FKK club women to the same standard and guess what, they do exist. They are hard to find but they do exist.
Sex with a chick like this isn't so meaningless and the better I get to know them (and they get to know me), it becomes less anonymous too.
My current approach to this is to pick only a few girls and clubs to "invest" time and money in. Running around from club to club to meet up with random, gypsy (and I mean this in the true sense of the word: some of these women are really Gypsies) providers only results in having mostly anonymous and meaningless sex.
Yes, I am quite aware that it is an illusion. No worries about my blurring that line between reality and the illusion each "provider-artist" creates. (The women don't take on [i]Kunstlernamen[/i] for nothing.)[/QUOTE]I've always thought of life as a progression, and it's true you need to build on what you do or it can get boring, but as drugs go I've found this hobby pretty positive. Regular vigorous (because it's interesting) sex has been a healthy addition to my usual Nordic Track/exercise pattern, for example. I just hope, like everyone else, that it's not undermined by some disease.
That's another reason I stuck to FKKs this time, I have to turn up that dose bit by bit. You provide another part of the answer yourself, though, talking about finding the GFE experience within the club scene. It is an illusion, but the grand illusion which can keep things fresh for a long time. And you've also mentioned that you alternate that with completely anonymous and meaningless sex in the PT scene.
The ladies you and I like are the ones intelligent and skilled enough to realize what they're doing and provide that illusion. Totally unlike this FKK tour, those are the ladies I cultivate at home.
But on THIS tour I had nothing against anonymous and meaningless sex. It was such a rush to be overwhelmed by it. I read somewhere that if you miss a chapter in your development you spend the rest of your life trying to fulfill it. Well, I don't think life is as simple as pop psychology, but it is certainly true that when I was 18 I was not having sex with all those 18-year old girls driving me crazy.
Even with the hobby back home, it is hard to meet 20-year old girls. They tend to be immature, unreliable and have no business skills. And that process of sounding them out usually reveals that they aren't very interesting, and/or we have very little in common.
On this tour, though, there they all were, with their perfect little bodies looking very young to me. I got a big dose of that this time. I saw a lot of older, fuller, more sympathetic women and they started to look more interesting the longer I was there. So I got a lot of that teen fixation out of my system.
Maybe not completely, though. I will have to do another experiment, I believe.
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You are right, Breadman, I'm going to have to pay close attention to the airfare game now. In the past I've only had time for the occasional trip and it only made sense to do it in the summer so I could maximize the vacation time. But I don't think I could do three weeks of this, so now I'll want to add in some shorter trips more frequently.
I did try to describe exactly where Limburg is. It is between Frankfurt and Koblenz, just off the A3, so not near Munich at all. I did put in my reports that every club I visited, from Bernd's and Finca to the northwest and Oase and World to the southeast, was within an hour of Limburg.
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Limburg
I usually have Koblenz as my base, and guess JohnnyZ has used this Limburg [url]http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=sv&geocode=&q=limburg,+germany&ie=UTF8&ll=50.389259,8.123016&spn=0.760863,2.092896&z=10[/url]
that is really just a stone's throw from Koblenz. There are many nice things to look at in the area, not only walking around on two legs, and it's convenient to drive in any direction.
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Wrong Limburg
[QUOTE=Breadman]Limburg, is that city east of Munich? If that's the city you stayed in, hitting Bernds, Oase and World must have cost you a pretty penny in gas. There are tons of hotels in small cities between these 3 clubs that are cheap and offer the small town feeling.[/QUOTE]
Nope, that Limburg would be a different Limburg than the one Johnny Z stayed at. His is off the A3 between FRA and CGN (convenient to Finca).
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Teen fixations
[QUOTE=Johnny Z]But on THIS tour I had nothing against anonymous and meaningless sex. It was such a rush to be overwhelmed by it. I read somewhere that if you miss a chapter in your development you spend the rest of your life trying to fulfill it. Well, I don't think life is as simple as pop psychology, but it is certainly true that when I was 18 I was not having sex with all those 18-year old girls driving me crazy.
Even with the hobby back home, it is hard to meet 20-year old girls. They tend to be immature, unreliable and have no business skills. And that process of sounding them out usually reveals that they aren't very interesting, and/or we have very little in common.
On this tour, though, there they all were, with their perfect little bodies looking very young to me. I got a big dose of that this time. I saw a lot of older, fuller, more sympathetic women and they started to look more interesting the longer I was there. So I got a lot of that teen fixation out of my system.[/QUOTE]
We should get together sometime.
I hadn't planned on another trip this year but on the job front there is a possibility that my calendar might yield a free week sometime between now and the end of the year. If not, I will definitely have my customary winter inspection.
Funny you mention this thing about missing a chapter in your development. Its very true in my case. I certainly wasn't sleeping with enough hot 18 year olds when I was 18.
I've gotten over this teen fixation by visiting clubs and meeting 18 year olds who don't know how to please a man and don't have enough life experiences to hold up their end of a conversation.
There was an 18 year old German-Aussie chick, Bianca, who used to work at Bernds until about a year or so ago. Our conversations were about Sponge Bob Square Pants, a metallic rock band from Berlin she follows and about how her boyfriend hates his job at McDonalds. Sex on a physical level was okay.
I wonder where she is these days.
The other extreme to this is Sabine from Blue Note. If you ever get out there, she is a treat. She is definitely a woman, not a girl. Nice curves, nice smile and just that right combination of intelligence and sensuality. Definitely not hardened and very much involved and participatory. Most importantly, she shares my sense of humor.
Sigh. I wish all women were like her.
Instead in real life I end up with crazy, neurotic types who are either narcissistic and high maintenance or so concerned with being left behind in what the Germans call [i]Torschlusspanik[/i] when they get to their late thirties and early forties, they can only be described as man crazy.
The communication aspect of this is important to me. I have very little interest in women I can't understand. And as I've written before, if she doesn't smile at me and when I test for chemistry I can't make her laugh, I pass.
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[QUOTE=Jackyo]This is why we visit FKK clubs instead of the Laufhaeuser [/QUOTE]
Sorry, I am new to this section - what is a Laufthaeuser?
And while I am at it, can someone explain the difference (or advantages/disadvantages) of FKK vs Partytreff?
Yes, I have lots of the forum, and think I understand FKK, but am still a little vague on the deal at Partytreff...
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Laufhaeuser and PTs explained
[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]Sorry, I am new to this section - what is a Laufthaeuser?
And while I am at it, can someone explain the difference (or advantages/disadvantages) of FKK vs Partytreff?
Yes, I have lots of the forum, and think I understand FKK, but am still a little vague on the deal at Partytreff...[/QUOTE]
A Laufhaus is a multi-story brothel with numerous rooms which the women rent. You negotiate directly with her, she closes the door, money changes hands and voila!
Never been to one?
As you leave the Frankfurt Hbf heading towards town, there are several side streets to the left where there are blocks full of Laufhaeuser.
Be prepared for a lot of stair climbing.
As to what a PT is, read this:
[post]769453[/post]
Its one of the questions answered towards the top (number five to be precise).
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[QUOTE=Jackyo]As to what a PT is, read this:
[post]769453[/post]
Its one of the questions answered towards the top (number five to be precise).[/QUOTE]
Thanks, sorry I did not see that myself.
I guess I checked the PT FAQ, but not this one!
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a discussion about cover charges at the clubs
Jackyo and I are having a discussion about the cost of a trip and factoring in what its going to cost you to hobby while in Germany. I understand you have to pay for some things that aren't under your control like hotels, car rentals...and for the girls. But when it comes to club entrance fee's, what are your feelings toward this extra charge? Included in the hobby budget as an extra charge? Worth the price most of the time?
From where I used to hobby, there was an added expense to buy all your food, drinks, admission to stripclubs and the like....just to pass the time before the girl arrived at your hotel. Easily could run you 100 or more per day. So at least for me, I find the cover charge at most clubs easily pays for itself...food, drinks, girls to watch, sauna's, pools, showers...etc. Any comments for or against this thinking?
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mongerer turns amateur phychologist ;-)
gentlemen, very thought provoking posts today.
[quote=jackyo]instead in real life i end up with crazy, neurotic types who are either narcissistic and high maintenance or so concerned with being left behind in what the germans call [i]torschlusspanik[/i] when they get to their late thirties and early forties, they can only be described as man crazy.
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i wonder if mongers may share certain phychologcal drivers to our "hobby".
jackyo touches on the downsides of perhaps starting/having a relationship with 30s/40s women in the "real" world. the world where they are very much affected by a multitude of societal, social, peer, family, religious, media driven influences on their thoughts and behaviour etc etc and fear of not being "normal" and "accepted". i tend to think the upshot of it all can often be they end up far from normal. ie "crazy, neurotic, man crazy".
now i turn to our often discussed magical and perhaps illusional "gfe". someone before said a gfe is when they have almost fallen for the girl/woman and feel they'd happily have them as a girlfriend in real life.
so, why do we "fall" for these fkk girls perhaps more than real world women?
jackyo comments
[quote=jackyo]
the ladies you and i like are the ones intelligent and skilled enough to realize what they're doing and provide that illusion.[/quote]
our magical "gfe" session is in a way a mini time compressed whirlwind romance and relationship. is it perfect because the provider is smart enough (or perhaps cynical enough beyond their age) to have figured out not what turns us on but what turns us off in the real world?
is it perhaps ironically not the qualities they have and the things they do that works the magic for us, but conversely the qualities they dont have and the things they dont do. i think the fact both parties are removed from reality and it's effects allows us to behave more naturally, chemistry is not impeded by socio-phycological overides. do we behave more naturally away from the "real" world? bizzare but maybe true. is that whats refreshing, is that what truly lays behind the enablement of what we call gfe experience maybe?
if so no wonder we feed more and more on the illusion. don't pause to wonder too much though ! that would be dangerous, that might make you consider how much it could be affecting your views on the real world. can't be doing that !
oh dear, suddenly ones scratching the itch more and more and in denial about having the itch and its building real world effects. you are addicted !
i think lbc once typed "remember it's only a game". wise words gentlemen.
wow, i've gone off on a deep one this time havn't i !
here's another to ponder while we bask in the glow of post gfe sessioning..
[quote=johnny z]
i read somewhere that if you miss a chapter in your development you spend the rest of your life trying to fulfill it.
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what life chapter are these young beauties missing while working in fkk's?
will they spend their lives trying to find and fulfil it? or is the substitute chapter a far better more valuable read?
yours in philosophical mode
dt
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Any FKK recommanded in Eastern Germany?
Since 3.5 years ago after 1st sweetest memory in FKK, I had addicted to FKK hunting. I had took every chance in my job to Germany just for the pleasure days in FKKs.
I will go to Eastern Germany (Leipig and Dresden) for a couple of days for business and sure for FKK mongering in next month. The only FKK club in Eastern Germany ever been to is the Artemis in Berlin, but it is too far for my trip this time.
After searching this forum, there are far and few between reports and threads about the FKK/Brothels and even outcall services in Easten Germany.
Could any colleague provide related information?
Thanks in advance.
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Weird things happen to me in real life
[quote=dick travel]gentlemen, very thought provoking posts today.
i wonder if mongers may share certain phychologcal drivers to our "hobby".
jackyo touches on the downsides of perhaps starting/having a relationship with 30s/40s women in the "real" world. the world where they are very much affected by a multitude of societal, social, peer, family, religious, media driven influences on their thoughts and behaviour etc etc and fear of not being "normal" and "accepted". i tend to think the upshot of it all can often be they end up far from normal. ie "crazy, neurotic, man crazy".
now i turn to our often discussed magical and perhaps illusional "gfe". someone before said a gfe is when they have almost fallen for the girl/woman and feel they'd happily have them as a girlfriend in real life.
so, why do we "fall" for these fkk girls perhaps more than real world women?
jackyo comments
our magical "gfe" session is in a way a mini time compressed whirlwind romance and relationship. is it perfect because the provider is smart enough (or perhaps cynical enough beyond their age) to have figured out not what turns us on but what turns us off in the real world?
is it perhaps ironically not the qualities they have and the things they do that works the magic for us, but conversely the qualities they dont have and the things they dont do. i think the fact both parties are removed from reality and it's effects allows us to behave more naturally, chemistry is not impeded by socio-phycological overides. do we behave more naturally away from the "real" world? bizzare but maybe true. is that whats refreshing, is that what truly lays behind the enablement of what we call gfe experience maybe?
if so no wonder we feed more and more on the illusion. don't pause to wonder too much though ! that would be dangerous, that might make you consider how much it could be affecting your views on the real world. can't be doing that !
oh dear, suddenly ones scratching the itch more and more and in denial about having the itch and its building real world effects. you are addicted !
i think lbc once typed "remember it's only a game". wise words gentlemen.
wow, i've gone off on a deep one this time havn't i !
here's another to ponder while we bask in the glow of post gfe sessioning..
what life chapter are these young beauties missing while working in fkk's?
will they spend their lives trying to find and fulfil it? or is the substitute chapter a far better more valuable read?
yours in philosophical mode
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i don't know if this is happening to everyone else out there who is my age but sometime around the time i turned forty, the tables turned.
i spent my twenties chasing women who would mostly ignore me. i turned forty and those who are still available started expressing interest. it happened slowly and it wasn't clearly a trend but lately, it just seems to be snowballing. they don't do it aggressively but subtly. "maybe you might be interested in doing something this weekend?" that kind of thing.
the tables turned. i became the scarce commodity and they were a dime a dozen.
the result is that my personal life outside of an fkk club is quite complicated. its got a cast of characters coming and going who are in all sorts of crazy emotional states.
when i am at a party, its almost guaranteed that the craziest chick in the room will find me and monopolize my time.
what a relief it is to enter a club environment where the women are uncomplicated and i don't have to deal with the nuttiness.
considering demographic trends, it promises to only get worse. women who are married or have partners these days will eventually find themselves alone. its a fact that they outlive us.
so if i live long enough i will have my choice of silver and blue haired women who will want a piece of me.
i read these articles about how the cruise ships, for example, have to stock their ships with older gentlemen who can dance to provide entertainment to the single older women who make up their clientele.
now if only i can learn to dance.
the dilemma, of course, is that when i am older i won't really want to be with women my age.
oh well.
maybe at some point in time they'll set up fkk clubs for these women where the men are there for their pleasure and they pay us instead of the other way around. it could happen.
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Information on the former DDR..
[QUOTE=Lllldick]Since 3.5 years ago after 1st sweetest memory in FKK, I had addicted to FKK hunting. I had took every chance in my job to Germany just for the pleasure days in FKKs.
I will go to Eastern Germany (Leipig and Dresden) for a couple of days for business and sure for FKK mongering in next month. The only FKK club in Eastern Germany ever been to is the Artemis in Berlin, but it is too far for my trip this time.
After searching this forum, there are far and few between reports and threads about the FKK/Brothels and even outcall services in Easten Germany.
Could any colleague provide related information?
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]
.. is scarce.
If you do a search typing in the words Leipzig and Dresden, a couple of posts will come up they don't have any meat in them.
I just answered a question on this topic under the Germany forum.
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Jackyo - on the starting blocks for the Golden Years
Good to see that you are slowly getting ready to join the Pensioners and know that when it is time, we have our ideal location waiting for us - great T-shirt title too:
Growing Old Disgracefully at Bernd's. ;-)
Only decision to be made will be- to start on the couches upstairs or downstairs?
If only life today was that simple.
[QUOTE=Jackyo]I don't know if this is happening to everyone else out there who is my age but sometime around the time I turned forty, the tables turned.
What a relief it is to enter a club environment where the women are uncomplicated and I don't have to deal with the nuttiness.
Oh well.
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Information on the former DDR..
It could always be in place to remind about this more or less indispensable map for a travelling hobbyist.
[url]http://www.isaw-db.com/map_de.html[/url]
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I've got some time before I retire...
[QUOTE=Excess]Good to see that you are slowly getting ready to join the Pensioners and know that when it is time, we have our ideal location waiting for us - great T-shirt title too:
Growing Old Disgracefully at Bernd's. ;-)
Only decision to be made will be- to start on the couches upstairs or downstairs?
If only life today was that simple.[/QUOTE]
... thank goodness and chances are I'll still be working way into my later years.
I like that T-shirt idea though! I'll have one made up!
Then on the backside of the T-shirt I'd have a list of the girls names with checkmarks for each one I've been with.
No one here will have a clue what it is about and that would be part of its appeal.
If there is any one thing which has probably changed the lives of Bernds clientele it is Vitamin V. It has allowed them to continue to be active beyond the point where they would normally hang their cleats up.
Its a wonder there isn't a medical incident each time I've visited. There are so many unfit older dudes mixing it up with younger, nubile sperm extractors.
That staircase heading to the basement would become a problem once the knees give way.
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[QUOTE=Jackyo]I don't know if this is happening to everyone else out there who is my age but sometime around the time I turned forty, the tables turned.
I spent my twenties chasing women who would mostly ignore me. I turned forty and those who are still available started expressing interest. It happened slowly and it wasn't clearly a trend but lately, it just seems to be snowballing. They don't do it aggressively but subtly. "Maybe you might be interested in doing something this weekend?" That kind of thing.
The tables turned. I became the scarce commodity and they were a dime a dozen.
The result is that my personal life outside of an FKK club is quite complicated. Its got a cast of characters coming and going who are in all sorts of crazy emotional states.
When I am at a party, its almost guaranteed that the craziest chick in the room will find me and monopolize my time.
What a relief it is to enter a club environment where the women are uncomplicated and I don't have to deal with the nuttiness.
Considering demographic trends, it promises to only get worse. Women who are married or have partners these days will eventually find themselves alone. Its a fact that they outlive us.
So if I live long enough I will have my choice of silver and blue haired women who will want a piece of me.
I read these articles about how the cruise ships, for example, have to stock their ships with older gentlemen who can dance to provide entertainment to the single older women who make up their clientele.
Now if only I can learn to dance.
The dilemma, of course, is that when I am older I won't really want to be with women my age.
Oh well.
Maybe at some point in time they'll set up FKK clubs for these women where the men are there for their pleasure and they pay us instead of the other way around. It could happen.[/QUOTE]
Not likely, women have a different thought process than men, a woman will find a man who is most likely to keep her safe attractive. Men will automatically be attracted to a woman who is sexually alluring. If you see a pretty girl walk by a group of men, they will always turn their heads to look at her. Its not as obvious for a group of women when they see a man and often its more subtle.
I have seen this myself, I saw a woman look at me, briefly smile and look away, she repeated this several times until I realized she was interested. I experienced something similar at work where a woman kept giving me a blank look, and an occasional blank stare, then a few days later it repeated and this time when she looked away she smiled.
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I am working on the concept....
for a small ISG Timeshare apartments location in the lovely surrounds of Hennef and geared to the requirements of more Senior mongers.
'Excess' - who is also looking into the development of putting the zimmer frame into the Zimmer at FKK's. They simply won't believe it in Florida !!!
[QUOTE=Jackyo]... thank goodness and chances are I'll still be working way into my later years.
I like that T-shirt idea though! I'll have one made up!
Then on the backside of the T-shirt I'd have a list of the girls names with checkmarks for each one I've been with.
No one here will have a clue what it is about and that would be part of its appeal.
If there is any one thing which has probably changed the lives of Bernds clientele it is Vitamin V. It has allowed them to continue to be active beyond the point where they would normally hang their cleats up.
Its a wonder there isn't a medical incident each time I've visited. There are so many unfit older dudes mixing it up with younger, nubile sperm extractors.
That staircase heading to the basement would become a problem once the knees give way.[/QUOTE]
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Florida FKK
[QUOTE=Excess]for a small ISG Timeshare apartments location in the lovely surrounds of Hennef and geared to the requirements of more Senior mongers.
'Excess' - who is also looking into the development of putting the zimmer frame into the Zimmer at FKK's. They simply won't believe it in Florida !!![/QUOTE]
That's my dream for my retirement years- to open an FKK in Florida. I've written up a business plan, scouted out some locations, read up on the local codes, and have even lined up some people in the business who would be interested in managing it.
Of course it's illegal in the sex penitentiary that we call home, but I think that we may have come up with a way around that. Think "offshore gambling".
Jackyo- this could be your 2nd career. Since there are lot more widows than widowers in Florida, we'll need to keep some haus manner on the roster. Heh, heh, heh....
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[quote=iseeu]of course it's illegal in the sex penitentiary that we call home, but i think that we may have come up with a way around that. think "offshore gambling".....[/quote][quote=iseeu]...of course it's illegal in the sex penitentiary that we call home, but i think that we may have come up with a way around that. think "offshore gambling".....[/quote]interesting thought.
a few decades ago in sweden, tv and radio broadcast was a national monopoly. (free speech, my a$$)
well, some people didn't like the situation and started to broadcast from a ship in the waters between copenhagen and malmoe in southern sweden.
([url]http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/radio_syd[/url])
i think the key here is to be in international waters. i have been toying with using ships/yachts, but why not go the full distance and get yourself an oil platform?
i have some connections in this area, so if you are thinking along the lines of a fixed installation in international waters, with helipad, just let me know.
financially, we would put together a prospectus and distribute it right here on this forum. let's say we would have some 5000 takers putting in $5k each. that would be enough to get leverage for the rest. mind you, there are quite a few platforms coming up for sale shortly in norway.
and as shareholders we'll of course have certain perks...bada bing!
sir s
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COB discussion
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]There's a misunderstanding, I do not practice shoot first, never ask, dont pay. And yes, I've had arguments, but before performing COB. I practise ask first, then either shoot and dont pay or dont shoot and dont pay. It does not really matter for me if a girl does COB or not.
As said, I'm not a COB fan. I do it rarely, I prefer CIM. And with Vanessa from Poland I have always done CIM, can't remember one single session without. ;-)
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Hey,
Thought I might chime in on this one and maybe shift it to the GI section.
I don't make a habit out of COB, but I do engage in it now and then and, like HB, Henio, Toscana and others, I have never paid extra for it.
Back in the day, one could take this "extra" for granted, but times seem to have changed. Seem like it has become more common for gals to include this on their paid-extras-list.
I had a girl at the Paradise Club in Stuttgart make a point of offering it as a paid extra (can't remember the girl's name. Cute, half-Turkish, terrible session), and Vivi at World (hot, hot hot, Polish girl, short, blond hair) also made it clear to me (without me asking) that this was a paid-extra.
I have a number of regulars who will gladly offer this if I want it, and I think that this is the way to go. If a Gent really has this need and wants to not pay for it, then he should do it with one of his favorites. In all likelihood it will not be a paid extra, but one should probably make sure beforehand.
Cheers,
Dedalus
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[QUOTE=Jackyo]
Maybe at some point in time they'll set up FKK clubs for these women where the men are there for their pleasure and they pay us instead of the other way around. It could happen.[/QUOTE]
Nice idea, but it would be a little harder for the working men. A woman can spread her legs & lube up, but a man has to get excited (pill or no pill) to have his pipes work. If a woman as ugly as me asked for sex, i would stay flacid even with a pill.
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[QUOTE=Vito Corleone]Nice idea, but it would be a little harder for the working men. A woman can spread her legs & lube up, but a man has to get excited (pill or no pill) to have his pipes work. If a woman as ugly as me asked for sex, i would stay flacid even with a pill.[/QUOTE]
You are thinking like a man. Learn to use your tongue! LOL!
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My 100th Post (or thereabouts)
I may not have written as much as others on this forum, but I would like to think that my contributions have been informative, insightful and entertaining. By the way, it was Toscana who told me about this forum when I once met him in World, so “Thanks, Tosc”.
I have not posted much in the last year or so as I found that writing endless descriptions of sessions is not satisfying. But here’s my list of FKK Do s and Don’t s. Hopefully it will stimulate some discussion. If anyone has posted anything similar recently then I apologise: -
How to get the most out of an FKK visit
1. Be clean. I also shave just before arriving and use mouth-wash.
2. Always talk to the girl first and build rapport. If she’s not interested in talking then she’ll probably be a bad session.
3. Observe your choice of girl from afar and if possible time how long she stays in the room with other men.
4. If you are interested in a girl, ask a man who she has just sessioned with what she was like.
5. Be open and friendly to other punters and try to have conversations with them. This is one of the keys to getting the most out of an FKK visit.
6. Remember that the girls are here for the money and so every encounter is a business transaction – therefore make sure you are clear in advance what you will and will not pay for. Eg if you want a 20 minute blow-job followed by anal then decide in advance and tell her. She can back out now, not half-way through. If you think it’s not very romantic – well, get over it. If she offers to swallow your cum, but you don’t want to pay, then tell her.
7. Take your watch into the room and subtly indicate to the girl that you know what time your session starts.
8. Always compliment the girl in a sincere way on such things as: - her overall beauty, eyes, hair, aura, skin, face, – whatever turns you on.
9. Never tip – instead have extra sessions with the girl.
10. Don’t think that the better looking girls are worse in bed than the not-so-good-looking girls. Don’t have sex with the worst looking girl at the bar (who’s been sitting there for hours) thinking that she’ll be grateful and give you a good session. She’s not working because she hates her job and you should avoid her. Go for the girls that you initially find the most attractive and then screen them out.
11. Never discuss this forum with any of the girls (except for Cordelia in World, of-course).
Tips that apply to me personally for how to get the most out of an FKK visit
1. Avoid girls from southern Europe and stick to Polish, Baltic and Hungarian girls and consider Russians and Germans on their merits. Know when to break this rule.
2. Avoid younger girls – say, under 23 years old.
3. Don’t get drunk on the free beer.
4. Find out when they serve the food and plan around this.
5. Try and eat with a girl you are interested in so that you can get to know her a bit. Then you can take her to a room and pretend that you are on a date.
6. Don’t feel guilty at receiving a long blow-job and then not reciprocating – there are health issues, but anyway, you are paying so they can do the work.
7. Always remember to stay in control of any situation and to indicate to the girl what you want – I think that they appreciate this, plus you get what you want.
8. Don’t go to the Frankfurt clubs, but instead go to GT, PHG, Yin Yang etc because here you can extend a session to one hour for an extra €25 (in a lot of cases) so this represents much better value for money.
9. In my opinion, the best club at the moment is Golden Time in Brüggen because of the selection of girls.
Common Scams
1. 10 minutes into the session she says you only have 5 minutes left and you ought to hurry up and orgasm quickly (happened to me in PHG).
2. She will up-sell you to one hour, but actually you only get 35 minutes (happened to me in World).
3. When you orgasm, she will move her body so that your sperm touches her skin and for this she will demand an extra €50 (this happened to a friend in World).
4. She will pretend to swallow a small amount of your sperm and then claim that you didn’t tell her not to (this happened to me last week in World).
5. She will massage you for ages, all the time reassuring you that this is necessary for her method and then you’ll get a crap blow-job for 30 seconds at the end. (It’s happened to a friend at GT and to me at Yin Yang when I was promised an hour of tantric sex. When I got home I googled “tantric sex” to actually learn what it was all about. Basically it’s about reaching a higher level of understanding with your partner blah blah blah. Don’t fall for it.)
6. When you have a threesome, your two girls kiss each other and then demand extra for the “lesbie show” (it’s never happened to me, but a guy from the Dutch forum told me this one).
7. The girl kisses you at the start, but then stops kissing once the session is firmly established, such that you are committed and cannot end it without paying.
8. The girl acts all sweet to get you into the room and then changes as soon as you are committed. Afterwards she ignores you for the rest of your visit.
Counter-measures
Perhaps the most effective counter-measure is just to be aware of what might happen and then steer things away from situations as they develop. Most of the girls will only rip you off if you let them. Over the years I’ve had many sessions with girls who I could imagine would give bad service, but because I have experience, I’ve been able to “rescue” the situation. One thing I have noticed is that girls may ask you if it is your first time in the club. Always, ALWAYS give an answer which implies that you have loads of experience and you know exactly what you are doing.
Occasionally I have been up against “professional” scammers. If you are arguing over “extras” then have some change in your wallet and compromise. Make sure that you take the argument to the front desk but be prepared to gracefully back down. All you can do is make your point. If the girl gets enough complaints then she’ll be ejected. Three months ago I complained about a girl in Golden Time and, as a sweetener, I was given some discount cards for future visits.
Alternatively, you could always just go to Bernds.
There must be loads more do s and don’t s but that’s all I can think of on the spur of the moment.
Kingwenslas
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Now you're talking!
I liked your scam list, King!
I will come up with some of my own and will add to your list.
In fact, I might (with your permission) take your list and add it to the FAQ (I probably should do an update soon so its high on the list and won't be missed by newbies).
Now this I totally agree with (but with restrictions):
[quote=Kingwenslas]Alternatively, you could always just go to Bernds.[/quote]
The restrictions are: Bernds is what it is. Its small, cramped, the selection is small. Its not about facilities. Its about service.
It is not for everyone. If you like the large clubs, you should stay in the large clubs.
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Now this is, indeed, the challenge
[QUOTE=Vito Corleone]Nice idea, but it would be a little harder for the working men. A woman can spread her legs & lube up, but a man has to get excited (pill or no pill) to have his pipes work. If a woman as ugly as me asked for sex, i would stay flacid even with a pill.[/QUOTE]
In my local extra curricular activities (gangbang activities, that is) I have sometimes found myself having to simply close my eyes and focus on the task at hand. The women are sometimes not a visual treat.
Its not easy but it is doable.. but that is why they'd need to pay big bucks for this service.
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East Europa, its parts
[quote=Kingwenslas]1. Avoid girls from southern Europe and stick to Polish, Baltic and Hungarian girls and consider Russians and Germans on their merits. Know when to break this rule.[/quote]
I was thinking about this the other day and the sourcing of EE women breaks out as follows:
- The Baltic states (this includes Poland which has a shoreline but also Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania)
- The Balkans (the hodgepodge of countries which used to make up the former Yugoslavia plus Albania)
- The Black Sea states (this includes Romania, Bulgaria)
This would only leave the landlocked countries out of this list: Hungary, the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Moldova.
I agree with you on this observation, by the way, particularly on evaluating Russian and German women on their merits. The Baltics are fine. The Balkans and the Black Sea women are uneven.
As Routard has said here before, the further east she comes from, the least likely it is that you will understand her culturally.
I'll leave out the Caspian Sea states for now. We'd be talking about the "-stans" here and, of course, Iran.
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Leipzig area FKK
[QUOTE=Lllldick] I will go to Eastern Germany (Leipig and Dresden) for a couple of days for business and sure for FKK mongering in next month. The only FKK club in Eastern Germany ever been to is the Artemis in Berlin, but it is too far for my trip this time.
After searching this forum, there are far and few between reports and threads about the FKK/Brothels and even outcall services in Easten Germany.
Could any colleague provide related information?
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]
There's an FKK, Paradies in Halle which is right near Leipzig ([url]http://www.fkk-paradies-halle.de/index.php?main=home[/url]). I've never been there so I can't offer any additional info. Heard about it from some Polish guys that I met in Baldis earlier this year who said that they prefer it over Artemis since it caters to an E. European clientele.
Njoy and post if you visit...
Njoy
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Nice list Kingwenslas
[QUOTE=Kingwenslas]7. Take your watch into the room and subtly indicate to the girl that you know what time your session starts.[/quote]One cooment on this one. If you are repeating with a GFE she might actually get pissed (a bit) by this lack of trust :)
Did you write down your personal tips [i]after[/i] your World visit? I think you did not follow them all ;)
[QUOTE=Kingwenslas]Alternatively, you could always just go to Bernds.[/quote]I agree. Some guys find it stimulating to reject 100 girls in Hessen just to find those out-of-this-world incredible passionate sessions. If you are past that and want the easy route go to Bernds.
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[QUOTE=Everhard]If you are past that and want the easy route go to Bernds.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately, neither my eyesight nor standards have declined to the point where Bernds is a satisfying option.
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The biggest shortcoming of FKKs seems to be the lack of Asian women, I have only seen a token Asian at most FKKs, and many of the ones in the FKKs that guys find attractive just seem subpar. Although I saw a fairly attractive one in Babylon a few years ago, and there seems to be a couple there now.
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[quote=cbgbconnisur]the biggest shortcoming of fkks seems to be the lack of asian women, i have only seen a token asian at most fkks, and many of the ones in the fkks that guys find attractive just seem subpar. although i saw a fairly attractive one in babylon a few years ago, and there seems to be a couple there now.[/quote]
agreed, although i think most would rate bea at palace as quite attractive. there are a number of average to cute looking asian women rep001tered around the clubs (if any of you are lurking, no disrespect intended, i love you all). koko at palace, lin at gt and the whole asian contingent at f39, none of them are model quality in terms of appearance, but i have had enjoyable session with all of them and repeat with many of them. i've gotten to the point where i am quite fond of average looking asian women.
if you want prettier, younger asian women, suggest you try the asian clubs in moers and monchengladbach. they are not fkk/saunas, but i've had a few hot sessions with very pretty chinese girls at these clubs. i swear, it seems like half the chinese co-eds in nrw are working in these clubs. i don't know how many times i have conversed with a girl about her studies at the uni during the session wind down.
part of my motivation for checking out niloticus next week is i had heard there is a good selection of asian women there. will report back to the forum.
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Its easier to find Eastern European girls at FKKs because of distance. I have noticed some Asian girls at FKKs but compared to other countries like Australia, its hard to find high quality Asian providers in Germany.
There are a lot of guys who prefer a more curvy and voluptuous European women, and there are some who like Asians. I have been gravitating towards Asian women lately after repeated disappointments with European caucasian women.
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Its easier to find Eastern European girls at FKKs because of distance. I have noticed some Asian girls at FKKs but compared to other countries like Australia, its hard to find high quality Asian providers in Germany.
There are a lot of guys who prefer a more curvy and voluptuous European women, and there are some who like Asians. I have been gravitating towards Asian women lately after repeated disappointments with European caucasian women.[/QUOTE]
True, although I am quite fond of the Asian contingent at F39. Friendly, good service, pleasant looking women between about 25 and 35. There is/was a Thai named Jane who is stunner, but I found the session with her a little boring (nothing bad, just like fucking a civilian girl with no special talent).
I tend to get my fix of super attractive Asian girls in Hong Kong and Bangkok.
And nothing wrong with our EE lady friends as well.
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East Europa its parts
[QUOTE=Jackyo]I was thinking about this the other day and the sourcing of EE women breaks out as follows:
- The Baltic states (this includes Poland which has a shoreline but also Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania)
- The Balkans (the hodgepodge of countries which used to make up the former Yugoslavia plus Albania)
- The Black Sea states (this includes Romania, Bulgaria)
This would only leave the landlocked countries out of this list: Hungary, the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Moldova.
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The one country which I haven’t heard much about lately is Moldova. I have had arguably the best sex of my life with Moldovans, so on that basis they should actually be top of my list.
In the past I discussed this issue a lot with my friend, Noskin, and we concluded that the reason why Moldovan girls would throw themselves at you so passionately is that they were at the bottom of the “working girl pecking order” and so had the most to prove.
Three experiences spring to mind that are totally off-topic for FKKs but I which feel the urge to recount so please bear with me (if there’s a better place to post this then let me know): -
About seven years ago I asked a Bucharest taxi driver to take me anywhere he could think of where I could get laid. We ended up in a seedy area behind a BP petrol station curb crawling, and looking around. Eventually we found the most grotesque looking pimp and the negotiations began. In the manner of many Eastern European business transactions they were long, drawn out and attracted quite a crowd of on-lookers. In the meantime the blond, blue-eyed 30 ish working girl was dutifully standing by awaiting instructions. Not being able to speak Romanian I had nothing better to do than indicate to her to come over and see if she spoke Russian. It turned out she was Moldovan and she did indeed speak Russian and so we were able to finish the negotiations between us and that saved a great deal of aggro. We were then shown into a dirty room with no door and she proceeded to eat me alive with passion and vigour in a way that was unforgettable. She was, I think, my first ever Moldovan and she made quite an impression.
The second story happened about six years ago in the capital of Moldova, Kishinev. I rang an escort agency in the morning and asked for a girl to be sent round immediately. I was told that it would be difficult to get someone that early, but I insisted and the woman said she would see what she could do. 45 minutes later, the most beautiful 20 year old came knocking on my door. She told me that she had only joined the agency the day before and that I was her first client. This can be a tactic to drive men wild, but there were things that she did which made me believe this was true, for example, she didn’t bring a condom with her and she genuinely didn’t know how much to charge me. And the sex was out of this world. I still daydream about her. That session (and all the others I ended up having with her over the next 2 years until she married) lasted a decent, juicy two hours.
The third story happened to my friend Noskin, also several years ago. We had walked into one of those seedy “night clubs” that you find on the Czech/German border and a van load of girls had just arrived from Moldova about ten minutes before us. Noskin selected the one he found the most attractive. The lucky girl’s eyes immediately lit up and she gave him such a lovely smile that Noskin was rather taken aback. When they returned from the room 45 minutes later, arm in arm, they looked at happy as a newly married couple. Noskin said he’d just had the best sex ever “since a long time” and that his young, fresh Moldovan had achieved a strong orgasm and was consequently all over him.
I have other Moldovan stories, but that’ll do for now. But the whole point of this is to remind you “If you meet a Moldovan, make sure you fuck her. You won’t regret it.”
Kingwenslas
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[QUOTE=Jackyo]I liked your scam list, King!
I will come up with some of my own and will add to your list.
In fact, I might (with your permission) take your list and add it to the FAQ (I probably should do an update soon so its high on the list and won't be missed by newbies).
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Jackyo
Thanks for showing your appreciation and of-course, I would be delighted if you used it to inform newbies of how to get the most out of our hobby.
My friend Noskin has just told me his tip: "Obey your gut feelings." The thing about this is that Noskin only speaks English so he doesn't have to divert mental resources into analysing the nuances of language. On the other hand, I try to use my linguistic skills to screen out women in advance to maximise the value of my fkk Euro. Whereas I take my time and think slowly, Noskin's stock phrase after 10 seconds of looking around is "She'll do."
And do you know the most annoying thing about this? His success rate for good sessions is not only higher than mine, but a lot higher.
Kingwenslas
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[QUOTE=Akibono]You are thinking like a man. Learn to use your tongue! LOL![/QUOTE]
My tongue would be hiding in its shell like a turtle!
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[QUOTE=Jackyo]In my local extra curricular activities (gangbang activities, that is) I have sometimes found myself having to simply close my eyes and focus on the task at hand. The women are sometimes not a visual treat.
Its not easy but it is doable.. but that is why they'd need to pay big bucks for this service.[/QUOTE]
Doable? Maybe if I bring a Playboy mag & tape it to the ceiling like Al Bundy, then my pipes might work. Unlike Kingwestlas, I like the young hot Romanians under 23!
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[QUOTE=Jackyo]I was thinking about this the other day and the sourcing of EE women breaks out as follows:
- The Baltic states (this includes Poland which has a shoreline but also Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania)
- The Balkans (the hodgepodge of countries which used to make up the former Yugoslavia plus Albania)
- The Black Sea states (this includes Romania, Bulgaria)
This would only leave the landlocked countries out of this list: Hungary, the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Moldova.
I agree with you on this observation, by the way, particularly on evaluating Russian and German women on their merits. The Baltics are fine. The Balkans and the Black Sea women are uneven.
As Routard has said here before, the further east she comes from, the least likely it is that you will understand her culturally.
I'll leave out the Caspian Sea states for now. We'd be talking about the "-stans" here and, of course, Iran.[/QUOTE]
I have only been visiting the FKKs for only 3 years, but I tend to session with more than 5 women a day & I have had good sessions with women from all over Europe (including Romania & Bulgaria). The Romanians seem to get a bad rep (well deserved), but I have had some off the hook GFE sessions too. I am not really into talking so understanding her culturally is not a major goal in my FKK trips.
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some quick comments about my trip so far...the halfway point starts at 6pm today
A two week trip is definately a tad long...but now that the sun is out for the next few days down in frankfurt, ill try my best.
goldentime...slim pickings on monday but my luck was good and kandy decided to work. took her for another spin...she can suck the chrome off a trailer hitch. talent for tues and wed...some cuties but more and more girls wearing too much clothing makes me avoid them in case saggy tits are being hidden...or worse. club is just too small for the crowd, if the weather sucks outside, it gets pretty tight inside. overheard the new plunge pool-deck expansion is for the sauna. maybe moving the sauna outside would be nice to open up that atrium area for more space...make it one large room.
finca erotica...loved this club my last trip....did it twice. visited on thursday their desous day....no talent, had to repeat with 2 of my favorites of last trip and call it an early night. left a day early and hit oases instead of finca for the second day.
oases...fridays talent was lacking somewhat lacking...plenty of girls but only a few that stood out.
world...things started slowly...but by 3pm there was lots of choices. club is out of this world, only improvement would be to add a large deck where the steel frame stairs are located. couple steps down to the deck making less down to the pool. too many people wanting to be outside but close to the girls hanging out inside.
food...all the clubs did cookouts, all pretty decent. why if they can let you take what you want during the summer cookouts, they dont allow this in the colder months when they serve you your plates...comment for oase and goldentime only.
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German Train Site
Please forgive me for asking,but would someone post the site for the ICE trains ?
Before I stumbled onto this site I had no great desire to go to Europe / Germany, now I it looks like I will be coming for the second time in 2 years. :~))
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[QUOTE=Chukar]Please forgive me for asking,but would someone post the site for the ICE trains ?
Before I stumbled onto this site I had no great desire to go to Europe / Germany, now I it looks like I will be coming for the second time in 2 years. :~))[/QUOTE]
write Ice trains into google dude and amazing things will happen ;-)
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[QUOTE=Chukar]Please forgive me for asking,but would someone post the site for the ICE trains ?
:~))[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.bahn.de/international/view/en/index.shtml[/url]
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[QUOTE=Chukar]Please forgive me for asking,but would someone post the site for the ICE trains ?
Before I stumbled onto this site I had no great desire to go to Europe / Germany, now I it looks like I will be coming for the second time in 2 years. :~))[/QUOTE]
Need cheap ICE tix? Go to [url]www.cream.de[/url]
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Advice Needed
Thanks fellows for the Links.
On my next trip to Europe I would like to do some regular tourist stuff. I am planning on flying into Dusseldorf. Then head over and visit Samya and Bernards for a couple of days.
Now I thought about taking the train to Bayeux, Fr and going on a D Day tour. I have never been to Fr. The only down side is the train ride is 8 hours. So I would lose close to 2 days sitting on a train. Can anyone suggest anywhere in Fr close to Dusseldorf where I wouldn't have to spend all day on a train?
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Are there any FKK that take Visa/Mastercard for the admission price. I know you pay the girl directly. In the past this was no, but I head somewhere they are taking Credit Cards now..???
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[QUOTE=DFWdude]Are there any FKK that take Visa/Mastercard for the admission price. I know you pay the girl directly. In the past this was no, but I head somewhere they are taking Credit Cards now..???[/QUOTE]Oase does, but they add about 5% fee to cover, and the lady on reception will not be to pleased either, charges, as in most of Germany its better to pay with cash.
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[QUOTE=Chukar]Thanks fellows for the Links.
On my next trip to Europe I would like to do some regular tourist stuff. I am planning on flying into Dusseldorf. Then head over and visit Samya and Bernards for a couple of days.
Now I thought about taking the train to Bayeux, Fr and going on a D Day tour. I have never been to Fr. The only down side is the train ride is 8 hours. So I would lose close to 2 days sitting on a train. Can anyone suggest anywhere in Fr close to Dusseldorf where I wouldn't have to spend all day on a train?[/QUOTE]If you like military history,you could go to Ypres(Belgium)would be about 4 hours by train from DUS,great tours of the WW1 battlesites.or Waterloo,south of Brussels by about 8kms,where Napolean was defeated,as regards to France,if you like Champagne head to Reims,for tours of the Champagne houses,or Strasbourg,which is quite close to the German boarder,my personal favourite is a river Rhine cruise from Cologne to Remagen and see the famous bridge(WW2)then get the train back along the banks of the River Rhine to Clogne or Dusseldorf ,or you could just simply drink great beer in Cologne, whilst waiting for Berndts to open,which is what I will be doing this friday,hope that helps a bit.
Good luck
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I think you mean Bernds
[QUOTE=Chukar]Thanks fellows for the Links.
On my next trip to Europe I would like to do some regular tourist stuff. I am planning on flying into Dusseldorf. Then head over and visit Samya and Bernards for a couple of days.
Now I thought about taking the train to Bayeux, Fr and going on a D Day tour. I have never been to Fr. The only down side is the train ride is 8 hours. So I would lose close to 2 days sitting on a train. Can anyone suggest anywhere in Fr close to Dusseldorf where I wouldn't have to spend all day on a train?[/QUOTE]
Bayeux is too far away unless you really must see the Bayeux Tapestry and are very much into the story of William the Conqueror and the Battle of Hastings in 1066.
Nearby is Caen which you have to visit as well to have the [i]tripes a la mode de Caen[/i]. Not to be confused with Cannes on the Riviera, by the way.
And going to Normandy to do a D Day tour without a car wouldn't make any sense. You will need a car to have access to the beach, Pointe du Hoc and Ste. Mere Eglise.
In Normandy by the way there are other things to do such as visit the beaches of Deauville, Trouville, the town of Honfleur and the casino at Cabourg. Then there are the crepes and the [i]cidre bouchee[/i], the [i]Calvados[/i] and the [i]Camembert[/i]. Its all about food and drink in France.
[i]Kein Wunder[/i] that the Germans have an expression: [i]Leben wie Gott in Frankreich[/i]: living like God in France.
Not to mention that further down the road is Mont Saint Michel and [i]Bretagne[/i].
You will also have to change trains in Paris. Going to Paris without spending time in Paris doesn't make too much sense (at least not to me).
Not to forget that one should probably also stop in Rouen to see the Cathedral.
To make the most of it, you should really take a week to two weeks.
(Sorry about getting carried away but I am a frustrated travel writer.)
You can do easy day trips from DUS to Brussels and to Amsterdam. That is what I would do instead of going to France.
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[QUOTE=Jackyo]Bayeux is too far away unless you really must see the Bayeux Tapestry and are very much into the story of William the Conqueror and the Battle of Hastings in 1066.
Nearby is Caen which you have to visit as well to have the [i]tripes a la mode de Caen[/i]. Not to be confused with Cannes on the Riviera, by the way.
And going to Normandy to do a D Day tour without a car wouldn't make any sense. You will need a car to have access to the beach, Pointe du Hoc and Ste. Mere Eglise.
In Normandy by the way there are other things to do such as visit the beaches of Deauville, Trouville, the town of Honfleur and the casino at Cabourg. Then there are the crepes and the [i]cidre bouchee[/i], the [i]Calvados[/i] and the [i]Camembert[/i]. Its all about food and drink in France.
[i]Kein Wunder[/i] that the Germans have an expression: [i]Leben wie Gott in Frankreich[/i]: living like God in France.
Not to mention that further down the road is Mont Saint Michel and [i]Bretagne[/i].
You will also have to change trains in Paris. Going to Paris without spending time in Paris doesn't make too much sense (at least not to me).
Not to forget that one should probably also stop in Rouen to see the Cathedral.
To make the most of it, you should really take a week to two weeks.
(Sorry about getting carried away but I am a frustrated travel writer.)
You can do easy day trips from DUS to Brussels and to Amsterdam. That is what I would do instead of going to France.[/QUOTE]
Hey Chukar,
Jackyo has laid out some serious French delights for you and I wouldn't hesitate to jump all over those possibilities. I'd bath in Calvados if I could.
However it puts you in a bit of a pickle if you want to enjoy the German Fkks as well. That stuff just ain't that close to the nookie scene over here. I suspect that the effort that it would take in travel would cause you to shortchange your enjoyment of one or the other.
I agree that Belgium is a good, manageable option. Namur, Leuven, Brussels, even Ghent and Brugge are doable by train, and are all rather enjoyable.
If you are dead set on hitting France, then here is another option: You might consider flying into Frankfurt, dealing with the clubs in Hessen, and checking out some of the wonderful French towns and cities in the Elsaß region. (Note, Jackyo's skin is probably crawling because I used the Germanic name rather than "Alsace". Tut mir sehr Leid für diese ästhetische Bellastung ;-)) It is seriously nice in towns like Strasbourg, Colmar, and many other places in that region. Plus it is manageable with either car or train. Personally I would recommend a car with GPS for maximum flexibility, but it is of course your choice.
Might also be interesting for you to check out some of the charming German cities on the "other" side of the Rhein. Also the Black Forest holds a special charm anytime of the year.
Good luck and have fun.
Cheers,
Dedalus, who laments that there is no FKK scene in Provence
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FKKs are strictly European and pretty much a Germanic thing, there is no way in hell the concept will ever come to America, the USA is way too puritanical for it, even though we have the biggest porn industry and our mass media portrays the US as sex obsessed, I just don't see such a concept ever seeing the light of day in the US. Even in Canada where prostitution is much more tolerated, brothels are largely illegal.
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France and Belguim
You guys are the BEST!
Dedalus, Long Range and especially you Jackyo.
Unfortunately I already got my ticket to Dusseldorf because I wanted to finish my trip with an all out fling in the NWR clubs, GT, VV, LR, PHG and hopefully visit with the Ice Bears. Fortunately my ticket was FREE: ))
Dedalus if I had my choice of any area of Fr I would choose the Cognac region, because I love cognacs, but my second choice would be Provence.
My last trip in March I flew into Amsterdam and spent 3 days there. I thought it was very expensive and too touristy for my taste. I loved the smaller cities I visited much better.
Please anyone have any more suggestions I need help and will listen to all. Have been considering Berlin, but since I retired and now live in a small town I don't like big cities much anymore. I also checked into Long Ranges suggestion of a river cruise but they all seem to be to many days. I would like to try a 1 day cruise, but I will do more searching for that.
Thanks Again
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Bathing in Calvados?!
[QUOTE=Dedalus]Hey Chukar,
Jackyo has laid out some serious French delights for you and I wouldn't hesitate to jump all over those possibilities. I'd bath in Calvados if I could.[/quote]
Ha! How is that for an up and coming fetish? A Calvados bath and then sex with a chick from Normandy.
[quote=Dedalus]If you are dead set on hitting France, then here is another option: You might consider flying into Frankfurt, dealing with the clubs in Hessen, and checking out some of the wonderful French towns and cities in the Elsaß region. (Note, Jackyo's skin is probably crawling because I used the Germanic name rather than "Alsace". Tut mir sehr Leid für diese ästhetische Bellastung ;-)) It is seriously nice in towns like Strasbourg, Colmar, and many other places in that region. Plus it is manageable with either car or train. Personally I would recommend a car with GPS for maximum flexibility, but it is of course your choice.[/quote]
Kein Problem! Elsaß, Alsace.. tomayto, tomahto... :)
Again, I'd do a food and wine tour if I were visiting this part of France. [i]Choucroute garnie[/i] washed down with a Riesling, the [i]Flammenkueche[/i], the [i]Tarte Tatin[/i], and [i]Kugelhopf[/i], z. B. Visit the towns of Ribeauville and Riquewihr then on to Colmar to see the Issenheimer Altar and then on to Mulhouse (oder Mulhausen, in German) to see the Schlumpf collection of Buggatis. (No, not the [i]Schtroumpfs[/i] which is what the Smurfs were before they crossed the Atlantic.)
[quote=Dedalus]Dedalus, who laments that there is no FKK scene in Provence[/QUOTE]
Now you're talking! That would be the definition of living like God in France!
Now what other part of France were you interested in visiting? :) The [i]Camargue[/i], the [i]Auvergne[/i] or [i]Perigord[/i]?
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a Calvados Fetish
Hey Jackyo,
What can I say? I'm an oddball.
Impressive knowledge of the Elsaß region, my man. Few folks would know Riquewihr, although they should. I'd add Kaysersberg to the list if one were to explore that far south. Both cities are great for getting hammered on good Riesling and fat on tasty Flammküchen. I know a few good spots in those places.
Chukar would certainly need wheels to comfortably hit those towns, but Strasbourg, Colmar and Mulhouse are on the french train line.
[QUOTE=Jackyo]
Now you're talking! That would be the definition of living like God in France!
Now what other part of France were you interested in visiting? :) The [i]Camargue[/i], the [i]Auvergne[/i] or [i]Perigord[/i]?[/QUOTE]
An FKK in the Camargue? That Mistral might play Hell with a Gent's towel. I actually biked through that region one summer. I love the region, but heat, humidity and mosquitoes can be a rough combo.
Cheers,
Dedalus, closet Francophile
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]FKKs are strictly European and pretty much a Germanic thing, there is no way in hell the concept will ever come to America, the USA is way too puritanical for it, even though we have the biggest porn industry and our mass media portrays the US as sex obsessed, I just don't see such a concept ever seeing the light of day in the US. Even in Canada where prostitution is much more tolerated, brothels are largely illegal.[/QUOTE]
Sweden is sometimes considered to be the 51 or 52 or whatever state of the US. At least in our internal debates. It's amusing to consider that allthough we in Sweden are far from as religious as in the US, we act very similar. As you all might know, paying for sex is illegal since a few years back, and our nice administration figths for EU to enforce similar laws in all european countries.
At the same time, Sweden is somtimes considered to be the origing of sin, beeing openminded about sex etc. And as you say, the media is obsessed about it. Last weekend the second largest newpaper had on their official add a blurry picture of a couple making out behind a window. The header was "large number of pictures" and "couple photographed while having sex behind a shopwindow". Where is the public interest to watch those blurry pictures. Published in a newspaper that would ban the FKK harder than anyting else you could imagine.
Thank god for Ryanair and their 10 eurocent flights to Germany, and let's hope Germany can stay calm in hurricane of demands on changing the laws related to sex and FKK.
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This reminds me...
[QUOTE=Dedalus]What can I say? I'm an oddball.[/quote]
... that I have bottle of Calvados somewhere in my basement.
You are in good company, dude!
[quote=Dedalus]Dedalus, closet Francophile[/QUOTE]
I love France but have not had good experiences with French women whether they be professionals or in my real life. They are usually very pleasing to the eyes but just a little too complicated particularly because its all about the art of the tease.
Think about French attitudes to food and drink: "Here is a little bit of something. Its very good, very tasty but you will only have a tiny portion of it. Just for the taste. It is, by the way, very expensive too."
Professional sex in France is similarly rationed out in small quantities and at high prices.
In contrast, one goes to Germany, to have a large [i]Eisbein[/i], wash it down with large quantities of beer and all at reasonable prices. There is no tease. You get exactly what you want and in quantities that you want.
This German attitude toward food carries over to the Partytreff scene: as much sex as you want for reasonable prices.
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[QUOTE=DFWdude]Are there any FKK that take Visa/Mastercard for the admission price. I know you pay the girl directly. In the past this was no, but I head somewhere they are taking Credit Cards now..???[/QUOTE]
World also accepts credit cards.
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Oase accepts credit cards as well, with a 10% surcharge. You can even use them to pay the girls at Oase, with another 10% per usage.
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I hope this is the correct section to post my question. I think it doesn't need a proper thread.
I like even black girls, round lips and asses strong like stones borned to be doggied.
I was curious to understand which is, for yourself, the best fkk or sauna club for reach pretty and hot black girls.
Thanks to all the contributions
I can only mention, for my experience, Crystal from Palace (2007) and Destiny from Oase (2008). Only black girls I tried by myself fkk experience.
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The Wages of Sin
Since I returned from my "Virgin FKK Tour" last month it has been the prime topic of conversation with a number of my lady friends and fellow hobbyists. I live in the US, so only one of my friends even knows about the FKKs (he's a former serviceman, natch). One question which has been asked, and about which I'm curious myself, concerns the ladies' finances. My experience was of course completely from the customer's side, but I'm hoping some of you (Jackyo comes to mind) who like to know the inside story might have some insight.
In a Pauschalclub or Partytreff, the girls are obviously "on staff" in some way. Anyone know how they get paid. Per performance, per night, or some combination. And in general how much they might make?
Concerning the FKK clubs, I was even more curious. We pay the girls per session, and to the customer it appears they keep what they get. At some clubs I went to, like Oase, the receptionist was very, very insistent (without me even bringing it up) that the club had NOTHING to do with what the girls do. It almost seemed they protested too much. Does this vary between clubs, or is there some sort of standard "cut" the club gets from the women for use of the facilities? And would this be per session or per night?
I know that in US strip clubs the girls earn almost nothing until they meet some minimum, and after some point each lap dance and so on is mostly profit. A couple of my lady friends here were completely certain that the FKK establishment must take a large chunk of the ladies' earnings. Of course, they'd never been to Germany and didn't even know what a FKK club was. But they do know that "business is business".
If anyone knows how it works in general, or even just knows the specifics for a particular club, I'd be very interested. I look forward to reading the responses.
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I like your style...
Johnny Z.....You tell your lady friends about your escapades! Sweet! I am good friends with soe women who know of my obby, but I thought I was a bit alone in this. They are fascinated by the whole thng and bemoan that the same doesn't exist for women.
Well, I think I have written about ti before, but I will ut it up again about the womens finances (I don't knwo much about the party-treff area, so I will remain silent on it).
The legal situation of the FKK demands that the clubs not be involved in the financial situation that goes on between the men and women. As in England and Canada (but with a different legal system) prostitution is legal, but pimping, promoting or living off the avails of prostitution is illegal. That mean that clubs cannot be seen as earning money form prostitution or furthering prostitution. What they are is clubs where women and men pay an entrance fee,a dn what happens between the women and them men is only the business of the women and the men involved and the club has no role whatsoever in what is going on.
In clubs like Oase, World and GT the entrance fee for women is generally similar to the one for men. It is a daily fee and it usually is in the 50-75€ a day range, and that is the income that the club makes. These rates vary a bit, when clubs need more women they lower the rates, wehn they think business is going well, they raise the rates a bit, but generally they are in this range. At Oase an World there are discounts that the girl get for dancing in the striptease rotation, and extra charges if they sleep at the club, but these are usually in the range of 15€.
After this fee ALL the money that the girls get from the men for their services is theirs. The club gets NOTHING out of it! This is very important for the legal definition of most of these clubs.
Does this work out for the clubs? Well, take GT, where about 200 men a day pay 50€ each and about 60 girls a day pay 65€......that is about 10,000€ a day from the men and 3900€ a day from the girls.
Assume the 15 people or so who work their in the service area all get about 150€ a day in cash for working there, that is about 2250€. Tht leaves about 11,000€ a day and at 363 days a year that is somewhere in the 4 million € a year range. Assume they paid about 1.5 million for the property and rebuild,a nd you see that it can pay off.
Of course this math is with one fo the most successful clubs, and I know a lot of clubs that are nto cash machines like that, but still, the math can work out, without getting a cent from the women.
In a club like GT a girl who has been working there for a while (when they are brand new some earn a lot more than normal, because they are new and people try someting new) can expect about 6-8 rooms a day, and if you take an average of around 60€ per room, a normal girl at a club like that can realistically be earning 250-300€ a day after her entrance fees. If she is there on a multi-day stint, then her cost of travelling their is minimal.
Officially it is expected that she tax this moey on a normal tax return, but very few women do. Some have someone else (usually an immigrant) use their legal papers to do some sort of low paying job at a supermarket or such which is what they turn in as their tax returns. The immigrant keeps the after tax wage, and the working girl has tax identity and sometimes health care adn such. Not all girls do this, and the whole tax and health care situation is somethign that a lot of girls tend to neglect, and can sometimes get them in trouble. gain, nothign the lub really wants to get involved in.
Since a lot fo recent raids have cared more about whether the clubs an girls are paying adequate tax, there are a lot of clubs who have started charging a "tax withholding" fee of 20€ a day, which is given anonymously to the finance department in lieu of individual taxes. I am nto sure of the whole legality of this, but as I have hear the same numbers from a number of clubs, it seems to be something that the finance authorities seem to accept.
In Germany it is legal to file a tax return with the job description of hooker. Not many girls do this though. Soem get n trouble if they get too talky with the cops on a raid and claim they earn 4 times as much as the cop (I know of a girl who did this and ended up with a court case and a tax bill around 150,000€ in back taxes due to her mouthing off and making claims of high income for the past 5 years.
I know some girls who have made decent money (around 80k€ a year) doing this job and have been able to put some money to the side. I know a lot who have been in the game for a long time and hve virtually nothing to show for it. This has to do with personal decisions they have made, more than something systemic.
Pimping can be a probem. there are some clubs (some of the major ones) where I think this pimping is systemic. Where I get the feeling fo truckloads of girls coing from the same city, and where guys with TCOB and teardrop tattoos run around and keep a decent track of which girls seem to be top earners and mgith approach them about working as management. I tend to feel ucomfortable at these clubs an generally avoid any girl where I get the feeling she isn't wholely working on her own account. But it is pretty tough to figure this out.
The fact is that girls are free to choose where they want to work, the girls talk to each other and find out where the best places for them to work are, given their individual circustances. Soem like to work close to home, some far from hoe, some like to get regulars, others tink they can make more money with a more or less travelling show.
It is not necessarily a job I would want my daughter to choose as a career, but I can understand wh many choose it.
Don't feel bad about what you do. Treat the women well, pay them fairly and if you are in a situation where you think something is fishy, don't continue frequenting that establishment. You are not contributing to all the evils that some associate with prostitution, unless you are actively demanding more subservient women, an ever changing lineup, or ever younger girls or soemthing like that.
I have been in the game for about 10 years now, and I know a lot of working girls well, and I have visited some in the hospital when they have been recovering frm cancer (unrelated to the job) and have visited some privatel at home or went to dinner with some (again, just as friends). I know some of the men who run clubs, or used to run clubs,a nd I know some men who pimp girls. So my info is rather reliable.
That being said, some clubs have no or low entrance fees for the ladies and do take part of the cut, usually these are the nightclub sort fo place and not the FKK's, but places like Babylon, Atrium, Dolce Vita and others also have a system like this. But gain the girls chooe where they work, and usually based on what they think they can earn. I know a girl who was making upwards fo 600€ a day take home in Babylon, even if she was only keeping 40€ of the 65€ for each half hour.
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Hi Peter, thanks for the comments. That was a nice description of the basics. I was certain this has been discussed before, but I wasn't sure how to search to get to the core of it. And the situation can evolve, so it can be good to re-visit it.
Regarding my lady friends, here in the US we have to be very careful so you tend to have to learn a fair amount about someone before you see her. Also, in a small city like mine it tends to be a small world, so many of the ladies become personal aquaintances, although (for me) no emotional relationships. Sometimes it happens I wish there was no relationship, but most of the older (30+) ladies are actually very interesting people and pretty nice. I actually don't feel like I'm exploiting them, all the ladies I know at all well are without question running their own show.
What you say makes sense in terms of what I know about the laws in Germany. And it passes the economics test, in a smaller club with lower overhead, if 50 guys came through on a busy day that could be 2500 Euros, add 500-1000 from the ladies and that sounds like a good moneymaker.
I know some of my friends would still be suspicious about how strictly on the up-and-up the clubs operate, and what percent of the ladies are exploited by the pimping and trafficking hangers-on. Be interested to see if anyone has any comments about that, or has concrete information on how the ladies are treated in any particular club.
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My understanding about the finances of PTs
[QUOTE=Johnny Z]In a Pauschalclub or Partytreff, the girls are obviously "on staff" in some way. Anyone know how they get paid. Per performance, per night, or some combination. And in general how much they might make? [/QUOTE]
Peter knows the FKK club financial picture from behind the scenes better than I do.
I've asked several times how the PT women and clubs make their money and from my understanding there is some kind of revenue sharing arrangement going on.
You pay typically 100 Euros to get in. There usually are (as least back in 2005 when I first visited PTs) six to eight women there.
My understanding is that for each guest that comes, they get something like 10 Euros per head. The rate probably varies with the type of event going on that day and the entrance fee pricing.
So if the club takes in 100 Euros and there are say seven women there, then the club has 30 Euros per guest to pay its overhead, food, drink and staff after paying the women.
If the club has 50 guests during the whole day, each chick takes home 500 Euros and the club has 1,500 Euros to pay its bills.
The women primary job to keep the guests satisfied. The well run PTs have a rule that if there is even one complaint the chick is tossed out on her ear.
This creates a team athmosphere between the women where they keep tabs on who among them isn't doing her share. At a PT like Dorsten the women double team you. They almost never take on men individually. She usually has a partner trying to facilitate the session. Its also a form of security for them should the dude turn out to be unruly. The quicker you come, the quicker they can take a break.
There are ways to offset this behavior by the way. I've spent many long hours just poking away with women I've connected well with a these clubs. I complain openly to them that I am not a cow who is there to be milked (they will milk you exactly as they would a cow if you let them - I have no doubt at all that some of them actually have milked cows, goats or sheep).
This brings to mind a sign which hangs in the bedroom near the front staircase at PT Mettmann which advertises milking equipment for a [i]Molkerei[/i]. I laughed hard the first time I saw it.
The clubs have found a way to have the women classified as independent contractors otherwise it creates all sorts of issues for them. They are not employees. This legal distinction is important.
At the PTs with closed doors such as PT Traumland there appears to be an incentive system at work. Each time you go to a room with a chick she collects a token (or jeton) and they count them at the end of the day. I've not figured out how they fees are shared at a club such as this yet. I asked Anja the last time I was there what it was about but she wouldn't explain.
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Johnny Z,
I sort of misunderstood. I thought you were discussing your german exploits with non working girls.
If they re american and decent looking, they should try a 2 week stint in a top FKK, and see for themselves.
I do know quite a bit about the background working of a lot of clubs, but I am not going to divulge much of it here.
There are some clubs which are directly owned ow managed by organized crime groups like the Hells Angels, btu according to a lot of customers these are some of the best run clubs around. I have my own feelings on this, but that might just be due to personal experiences with such groups outside of this business.
I also knwo some small family type clubs which turn out to be virtual fronts for 1 or 2 pimps to offer only thier ladies.
The simple fact is that the system of the FKK pretty much makes pimps unnecessar, adn girls who choose to have them, are pretty much at fault themseleves. If you see girls with a name tattooed prominently on themselves, you can assume the name is not of thier dead brother, but ore tan likely her pimp. Whether he is exploiting her, or whether she is expressing her deep love for him is something a psychologist should be figuring out. I know a tonne of girls who work 100% for themselves. I know girls who work to support a husband and kids. I know girls who work to support thier boyfriend, adn I know girls who compete to be the best hooker for a guy who claims to have 15 girlfriends.....So it is not systematic, and people choose what they choose.
I know girls who have come from poland or blugaria or romania or brazil, and 99% of them knew exactly what the hiring agent was looking for when he was searching for "hostesses for a bar" and none that have their passports taken away.
That is more the sort of thing that happens in appartments where 3 or 4 girls work.
Whether the clubs are keeping completely accurate books and paying taxes on every cent of their recepts is a bit of a question, and probably isn't hapening, as it is a cash business. But the only club closed due to the tax issues is Atlantis....I know a couple fo others that have had multiple tax enquiries and some club anagers who have significant tax liabilities out of this.
I know a lot about clubs, and I am generally a person who doesn't do horrndously immoral things, and I feel cofortable going to clubs.
If you are paranoid, then don't go.
There used to be a guy here and I met hi and is wife at a swinger club once, and his wife used to like to go to work at FKK's on her vacation. She was a woman in her 40's from a major EU country and had a good job. She liked working there. And she worked in a club that happens to be owned by the Hells Angels.
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Thanks for the additional comments, Peter. I didn't mean to imply I wanted "inside info" that you shouldn't relate pubically. I am just curious about the whole system. Obviously you know quite a bit, I would infer you've worked with or in some clubs.
Also don't misunderstand my followup. I'm not worried, much less paranoid, about the FKKS, to the contrary I think this system is about is good as we could hope for. A couple of my lady friends were dubious about how independently the ladies can work, but you summed it up nicely. There can be shenanigans in any kind of system. As I said in my previous post, I'm 100% sure the ladies I know well here in the US are in charge of their own affairs, and it is clear that in Germany you can work on your own terms in all types of business models.
Oh, would I love to bring a lady friend or two with me to Germany! Yes, I think I know a couple of them who would do quite well, they might find it could be a profitable trip, not just a free (albeit working) vacation.
Jackyo, thanks for the outline of the PT structure. That sounds less lucrative, but I guess taking in 600 Euros a day (for the clubs) adds up even after expenses, and 200 Euros per lady who on average are satisfying 2 men sounds reasonable.
God, I am wishing on all my lucky stars that this business to Germany which might happen in October actually comes to pass. I can hardly wait to go back.
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Hi there, I am new to the German scene and I am looking for more upscale clubs that offer full service. I have a few questions, I hope you can help.
Q1: What is the difference between Nachtclubs, FKK Clubs and Sauns Clubs?
Q2: I was told the the Relax Nachtclub in Hamburg is the type of club I am looking for, but from the website, it doesn't seem to offer the services like the FKK clubs? What exactly is a Nachtclub?
Q3: If FKK clubs is what I should be looking for, can you recommend any upscale clubs in Frankfurt, Dusseldorf and Koln?
Q4: Apart from the above, I also saw Sauna Clubs on Google. What are Sauna Clubs???
Q5: I also read about facilities like Pascha in Koln, what is this?
Thank you in advance for your help! Look forward to hear from you.
Peter
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A lot of these questions...
[QUOTE=Peter Shaww]Hi there, I am new to the German scene and I am looking for more upscale clubs that offer full service. I have a few questions, I hope you can help.
Q1: What is the difference between Nachtclubs, FKK Clubs and Sauns Clubs?
Q2: I was told the the Relax Nachtclub in Hamburg is the type of club I am looking for, but from the website, it doesn't seem to offer the services like the FKK clubs? What exactly is a Nachtclub?
Q3: If FKK clubs is what I should be looking for, can you recommend any upscale clubs in Frankfurt, Dusseldorf and Koln?
Q4: Apart from the above, I also saw Sauna Clubs on Google. What are Sauna Clubs???
Q5: I also read about facilities like Pascha in Koln, what is this?
Thank you in advance for your help! Look forward to hear from you.
Peter[/QUOTE]
... are answered in the FAQ I wrote up a month or so ago.
Here is the link:
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I will not answer the questions answered in the FAQ but will answer questions which aren't answered by it.
A Nachtclub is a night club. Beware. This means that the women who work there do so on commission. If they can get you to order the 300 Euro bottle of champagne, they get a piece of that. They are also known as [i]Animierungsmaedchen[/i]. They are usually available for extracurricular activities but beware. It is going to cost you.
What is this about wanting an upscale experience? What do you mean by that exactly? Do you think that if you spend more money you get better service? How about just visiting a wallet extraction service or taking your dollar bills and burning them at a fireplace?
There was a club near the Dutch border, the Hindenburg, which supposedly meant to deliver an upscale experience. Everything cost more. There was to be good food and drink, the women were to be elegantly dressed. What was it exactly? A place for folks with money to burn or with an expense account.
I was having a discussion with Peter years ago when this concept was first introduced. The women received more money but could they be more nude, blow harder, screw more enthusiastically than they do for the standard rate of 50 Euros per session? Probably not.
I don't believe the club exists any more.
To find out about Relax, do a search for it using the search button. Hamburg is not a hot spot for FKK club activity. It lives off its reputation as a destination for sex (much like Amsterdam) but it mostly preys off tourists so the women have no incentive to provide good service.
Best FKK clubs to visit? Look over the club threads and make a list of the ones with the most posts. This would give you a list of the largest clubs with the most ISG visitors. They are, frankly, not clubs I visit but if you are new or speak no German you should stay on the beaten path anyway.
This is Londonbasketcase's list, z. B.
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You seem to imply you want to only visit clubs which are more upscale than the ones we normally visit so I'm not sure these will meet your requirements. Again its use of the word "upscale" which has me wondering what you are looking for.
Pascha is a brothel similar the set up in the Frankfurt RLD or what they call a [i]Laufhaus[/i].
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hindenburg is now a normal restaurant. Tehy gave up the higher class thing after about 2 months.
They did pick the prettiest girls form happy and wildenrath to work there, and the higher price customers also are the type who will book a girl for 3000€ for a week vacation in Ibiza or soemting like that.
The management of Villa Vertigo still knows these types of guys, and soe fo the girls that work there can make some extra money that way.
There used ot also be a couple of guys who would have their own sex parties, and look for a coupe of girls to work these sort of parties, usually about 500-700€ for the night.
Wildenrath sort of kept the top floor for these sort of parties.....but these parties are more rare nowadays.
There is a decent FKK in Hamburg, called FKK125, and I think it is on the Sasseler Chaussee 125. It is small with only about 8-10 girls working, but the pricing is similar to FKK's in the rhineland and I have had very good service there. They also make a really good Strammer Max, whcih is 2 fried eggs on a piece of ham on a piece of toast.....it tastes really really good.
And Johnny,
I gues bosses who want to epand thier business in germany should send their employee to an FKK on the first trip, that will make them give their all to make more business happen.
I know I take internatinal business partners there, making them want to do more business here, offering better prices for the chance to fuck more girls.....
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Thanks Peter and Jackyo!
I totally agree with your points regarding the clubs.
From the posts, looks like the top clubs are near Frankfurt, I am actually spending more time in the Dusseldorf/Koln area. Which fkk/sauna clubs will you recommend there? (I really hope to know your personal picks!)
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[QUOTE=Italia77]I hope this is the correct section to post my question. I think it doesn't need a proper thread.
I like even black girls, round lips and asses strong like stones borned to be doggied.
I was curious to understand which is, for yourself, the best fkk or sauna club for reach pretty and hot black girls.
Thanks to all the contributions
I can only mention, for my experience, Crystal from Palace (2007) and Destiny from Oase (2008). Only black girls I tried by myself fkk experience.[/QUOTE]
On my last 3 trips to Germany this year, Oase seemed to have between 2-4 black chicks from Africa or Dominican Rep. Black women are not really my type, but I did a pretty fine Ethiopian last fall @ Living Room. Last month, I had a great time with a black/Cuban chick named Marina @ Palace. Tight bod, nice ass with a fake rack. Off the hook service! She was working during the day shift.
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Since the FKK and Sauna clubs are all open, I am a bit worried about running into friends/business associates.
I am going to a large trade show, and a lot of my fellow businesses will be in the same town at the same time.
Any advice?
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[QUOTE=Peter Shaww]Since the FKK and Sauna clubs are all open, I am a bit worried about running into friends/business associates.
I am going to a large trade show, and a lot of my fellow businesses will be in the same town at the same time.
Any advice?[/QUOTE]
uhhh, wear a mask?
Dude, if you meet your friends in there, they will be there for the same reasons as you
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Check out the Partytreffs
[QUOTE=Peter Shaww]From the posts, looks like the top clubs are near Frankfurt, I am actually spending more time in the Dusseldorf/Koln area. Which fkk/sauna clubs will you recommend there? (I really hope to know your personal picks!)[/QUOTE]Düssseldorf/Köln is actually much better than Frankfurt.
(I live near Frankfurt.) Go to some Partytreff clubs:
Sara's, Dorsten, Mettmann.
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Top clubs near Frankfurt?
[QUOTE=Peter Shaww]Thanks Peter and Jackyo!
I totally agree with your points regarding the clubs.
From the posts, looks like the top clubs are near Frankfurt, I am actually spending more time in the Dusseldorf/Koln area. Which fkk/sauna clubs will you recommend there? (I really hope to know your personal picks!)[/QUOTE]
That is debatable.
I hardly ever go down there and if you are going to be based in Duesseldorf/Koeln you will actually already be in the center of things in NRW.
Are you still committed to spending as much money as possible at an "upscale" club?
As I've said many times before, your best choice for a first time club is Samya which is within Koeln city limits. Decent club, selection, food and drink, facilities, low risk of being ripped off. There also is Sudbad but I've not read good things about it.
If you have a car (and considering you are a newbie and a tourist), you should do the [i]Grenzgebietclubs[/i]: Planet Happy Garden, Goldentime and Villa Vertigo.
That should keep you busy for a while.
The latter three are large, transactional clubs which are used to dealing with tourists.
You can also add Living Room to this list. Its just to the west of Duesseldorf.
When you are ready to visit smaller relationship-oriented clubs which cater to a mostly German-speaking local clientele let me know. You will find me at those clubs, not the ones I am sending you to. They are off the beaten path for newbies and tourists.
Bernds is one of them, z. B. but I don't recommend that newbies visit this club until they have a few other clubs under their belts.
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How about a fake beard?
[QUOTE=Peter Shaww]Since the FKK and Sauna clubs are all open, I am a bit worried about running into friends/business associates.
I am going to a large trade show, and a lot of my fellow businesses will be in the same town at the same time.
Any advice?[/QUOTE]
You might also go when your friends/business associates are likely to be doing something else... or you can go off the beaten path and visit the lesser known, smaller clubs in NRW.
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Believe me, they will not be looking
[QUOTE=Peter Shaww]Since the FKK and Sauna clubs are all open, I am a bit worried about running into friends/business associates.
I am going to a large trade show, and a lot of my fellow businesses will be in the same town at the same time.
Any advice?[/QUOTE]
...at you, so no worries. If you do run into them at a club, they (and you) will have many more interesting things to contemplate. And just think of the unique camraderie and common ground that you will now have with them, which could be translated into commercial capital later.
Alot depends on where you are from. If you're from Asia this kind of business entertainment is part of doing business. If you're from Europe, they will look at you as a normal fresh-blooded male. On the other hand if you hail from the sex penitentiary that I call home (otherwise known in atlases as the US of A), the threat of your outing them will ensure their own discretion.
Really, don't see anything to worry about. I first learned about FKK's from a German business partner of mine. At first, I didn't believe him and had to overcome my own cultural barriers before I ventured forth to visit. After I finally discovered FKK joys, and was amazed by what I had discovered, I invited him for an FKK night out, and we went together to his favorite club, Atlantis, where I paid his entry and sessions fees as thanks. We've continued doing business together ever since, and at one point I was even his superior.
Your alternative to the "open" FKK clubs is to go to a bordello. There are lots of them in the Cologne/Dusseldorf area. In fact, the local edition of the Bild will have a whole page of advertisements for these houses. One of the best is off the A52 highway which runs between Cologne and Bonn, Traum Paradies in Spich. Nice rooms, good service, and very discrete. Oh, and because this seems important to you, very upscale.
They will not buzz you in unless the entry way is free of other customers and let you out of a side door when you're done. There's usually 10-15 women on duty at any given time, and while they may not be the top model type lookers like you would find at the big FKK/sauna clubs, most are very attractive and attentive. In the privacy of a room, they will parade in to say hello and their name, and you get to choose which of the available women you would like to spend time with. Most of the other private houses will work the same way.
Njoy and report...
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Thanks Jackyo, I'm very interested in the "relationship-oriented" local clubs (like Bernds) you mentioned, can you recommed a few more.
The first few days, I'll try the tourist clubs, then once I know how it works I think I prefer to be off the beaten path.
Also, Iseeu mentioned about bordellos (I didn't know about bordellos until reading Iseeu's post), what is your view on bordellos vs. FKK clubs?
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Traumparadies is the place for you
[QUOTE=Peter Shaww]Since the FKK and Sauna clubs are all open, I am a bit worried about running into friends/business associates.
I am going to a large trade show, and a lot of my fellow businesses will be in the same town at the same time.
Any advice?[/QUOTE]
First of all, Frankfurt is not where the best clubs are. Oase might traditionally be the best and biggest club, but Palace and world are not nearly as consistent...not by a long shot.
Düsseldorf area clubs like Planet Happy Garden, Goldentime, Living Room, Samya, Via Vertigo are consistent and good to ver good.
Bernds isn't really the place to be during a trade fair, as it takes almost an hour to get there from Düsseldorf, and it is in the middle of nowhere, easy to get lost, closes early and is not open on the weekend.
But for what you are looking for, I would advise Tramparadies. The full address is Biberweg 13 in Troisdorf Spicht....navigation sstems have no trouble finding it. You cna look at the hoepage and ask them about which girls are working on that ay, because sometimes top girls are booked in advance.
You never see another customer, ever. they are very careful about that. They have some very pretty girls. I can recommend Nadia (formerly the woman behind the counter at wildenrath), Valeria, Lizzi and Vicki. The price there is also reasonabe with a 45 minute session costing 100€, whcih includes the entrance fee. IT is more the sort fo place to go for one session and leave, and not really for multiple sessions with multiple rooms. I have booked 2 seperate apointments after each other there, and they sort of looked at me like a sex maniac.
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Oh, Peter, Peter . . .
Just enjoying the conversation between the two Peters. On this site, that resonates.
So, Peter-the-senior: How I wish I could develop a regular business connection in Germany. Were I the business development associate for our opportunity, I would be desperate to rig it as much in favor of this deal as possible. Unfortunately, of the three people from that group on our team, two of them are female. One of the downsides (in this sense) of modern business, and not just in the USA. Actually, some of the females I know at work would be cool with the idea. I think!. But it's too risky to mention.
As Iseeu also implies, I would also be very careful about which males in our group I'd share knowledge of the FKK experience. Would have to know them awfully well, and even then it would have to be a closed group.
To Peter-the-regular: On the other hand, I share the perspective of all the experienced guys on this thread. If you see a colleague at a FKK, well, what are they there for? To enforce proper behavior and report deviants to the collective? I don't think so.
So no worries. At home I don't feel nearly as vulnerable meeting my lady friends in a strip club, but I'd never be seen with a group of beautiful women in a "legitimate" place such as a restaurant. In the club, anyone who might recognize me would probably think the talent is schmoozing me just like all the other customers (including them), how would they know that my friend is there to help me pick up some of the talent for further talent development?
Based on their website, I'd actually like to go to Traumparadies myself sometime, but for Peter and anyone else out there considering it, I do have to recommend the FKK experience. It's another dimension.
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Traum Paradies is an excellent suggestion
[QUOTE=Peter Shaww]Thanks Jackyo, I'm very interested in the "relationship-oriented" local clubs (like Bernds) you mentioned, can you recommed a few more.
The first few days, I'll try the tourist clubs, then once I know how it works I think I prefer to be off the beaten path.
Also, Iseeu mentioned about bordellos (I didn't know about bordellos until reading Iseeu's post), what is your view on bordellos vs. FKK clubs?[/QUOTE]
Iseeu and Peter know of what they speak.
TP is a bordello. Its not a place to hang out. You enter, they do a lineup, you pick who you want to be with, you retire to a room and then you leave after you do the nasty deed. You don't hang out as you would at an FKK club.
One bordello I'd be curious to learn more about is Agentur Caro. Go find the website. The selection looks to be outstanding and the posts on the RF about it are all intriguing.
The bordello scene in NRW isn't as well developed as it is in Berlin. Go check out the Berlin thread and find the priceless posts by Angus. He is our resident Berlinmeister and there its mostly about bordellos or what they call [i]Wohungspuffs[/i].
The more off the beaten path you go, the better your German language skills need to be. You will get by anywhere you go being a monolingual English speaker but if you want 100% participation in everything going on around you, it is essential.
Part of hanging out at a smaller club is participating in the banter between guests, staff and girls. Its a cool way to pass the time - if you can participate at all. Creating a "relationship" at a club is sitting around and shooting the breeze.
Do the "on the beaten path" clubs first.
Bernds is probably a little too hardcore for a newbie.
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Agentur Caro
I want the "Teenimaus".
Nice site. Their descriptions push my buttons.
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Thanks for the detailed explanation Jackyo. Now I understand a lot better. I'm only English speaker, so will stay on standard path.
I'll try to check out Agentur Caro, and post my experience there after.
Since I'm going to the clubs, I'm thinking about trying new experiences, such as two girls together, anal, CIM, etc. How and when should I ask? And if they sense I'm new, will they give me a very high price?
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to be honest, I have never gone for these extras at Traumparadies or other bordellos, as I think maybe there are higher upcharges.
The prices at FKK clubs are more standardized, with 2 girls costing 50€ for the first half hour for each girl, and if you want a lesbo show there is the light version for 25€ per girl and the more intense version for 50€.
CIM and Anal also have pretty stable prices, but it definitely is not on the menu for every girl. I find at some FKK's there are incredibly few girls who are allow anal, and I don't have a big penis.
If you want anything that is other than the standard BBBJ and covered FS, then ask the girl prior to deciding to go to a room. Most girls have a double team partner they like to work with. In my experience most 2 girl sessions are a waste of money, and the girls like it because it means each girl has half as much work to do, but there are rare occasions where it can be good.
If you are in one of the bordellos ask for the price, and ask which girls offer which service. In some fo the smaller FKK's you can ask the people at the front desk for girls who do anal or such....because I am feeling only about 20% of girls do anal, and only about 60% do CIM. I would say 90% would do a double team.
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Privacy at Traum Paradies
As a regular customer of Traum Paradies I find the management very concerned about the privacy issue.
As other senior members have already pointed out, you will not be admitted inside the club if there is another customer in the hall. And when it's time to leave they do the same.
Moreover if you call them when you are on your way to Traum Paradies, they will open for you their private garage to park your car. You never know who may pass by.
As for the girls, I strongly reccomend the very young Lizzy, the black Naomi (1st class service) and Lulu.
Hope it may help.
Italy 1974
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I don't do extras either..
[QUOTE=Peter Shaww]Thanks for the detailed explanation Jackyo. Now I understand a lot better. I'm only English speaker, so will stay on standard path.
I'll try to check out Agentur Caro, and post my experience there after.
Since I'm going to the clubs, I'm thinking about trying new experiences, such as two girls together, anal, CIM, etc. How and when should I ask? And if they sense I'm new, will they give me a very high price?[/QUOTE]
.. so I can't comment on them.
Doing two girls at once is overrated.
Teen aged girls are overrated too.
I have made my views known on BJs so CIM is never on my menu.
As to why I would do anal, someone has to explain why that is anything desirable. I can't stand the smell when I do her from behind and she hasn't washed properly so its highly unlikely I will ever put it in her there where the smell comes from. It smells godawful down there.
You should ask during the "checking chemistry" phase, d. h. when you are having a conversation with her. These extras usually come with standard pricing.
If you visit Samya there is a list at the front door saying what each girl will charge for which extra. They are about as clear and unambiguous as one can be in this business, hence my recommendation for starting an FKK career there.
If you visit a club with sharks and they smell blood in the water (d. h. they sense you are a newbie and you are unsure of yourself and how things go), they will take advantage of you, quote you non-standard pricing, etc..
If you visit a club which has a good reputation which it doesn't want tarnished by unfair business practices, you will not have a problem.
Now which clubs would those be?
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[QUOTE=Peter Shaww]Thanks for the detailed explanation Jackyo. Now I understand a lot better. I'm only English speaker, so will stay on standard path.
I'll try to check out Agentur Caro, and post my experience there after.
Since I'm going to the clubs, I'm thinking about trying new experiences, such as two girls together, anal, CIM, etc. How and when should I ask? And if they sense I'm new, will they give me a very high price?[/QUOTE]I also think that taking two girls togheter is a waste of money as they never perfom as expected unless they are really bisex; but this is very unlikely.
The only good experiences I had with double-teams were in Thailand and Brazil but that's another story...
As for the anal, in any FKK there are some girls offering this service: by hearth (and personal experience...) I can say Jenny at Bernd's, Sandra from Hungary at Living Room and Tina (I think from Germany) at Ying Yang. Just ask!
Regarding the CIM issue, in my experience 50% of the girls are keen to that; once again: just ask in advance, no need to be shy.
At Bernd's CIM is included in the 50 Euro half-an-hour fee!
Italy 1974
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Pussy taste and hygiene
In a high volume FKK, time is money for the girls, meaning time spent cleansing might be reduced for [i]some[/i] girls. (Based on empirical tasting.)
If I taste soap during DATY then at least I know she cleansed. Not that it is a pleasant taste. Never licked my own crotch so cannot really say what it takes to remove the taste of soap.
Worse is to taste lubricant or latex.... Best, I guess, is no taste at all.
Is it prudent to make remark about the taste? Any thoughts?
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[QUOTE=Italy 1974]
At Bernd's CIM is included in the 50 Euro half-an-hour fee!
Italy 1974[/QUOTE]
to be clear....it is included only IF the girl offers it at Bernd'S and while most girls there do, there are some who don't.
Generally club standard at most clubs is considered kissing, BBBJ and covered vaginal sex in multiple positions. That is all you can assume that a woman offers. If she doesn't offer that (some don't kiss) then she should inform you before you go to the room and give you a chance to backout if that is important for you.
Other services that they offer or don't is not somehting they actively advertise, it is more for you to ask if you want anything special.
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[QUOTE=Peter]to be clear....it is included only IF the girl offers it at Bernd'S and while most girls there do, there are some who don't.
Generally club standard at most clubs is considered kissing, BBBJ and covered vaginal sex in multiple positions. That is all you can assume that a woman offers. If she doesn't offer that (some don't kiss) then she should inform you before you go to the room and give you a chance to backout if that is important for you.
Other services that they offer or don't is not somehting they actively advertise, it is more for you to ask if you want anything special.[/QUOTE]I think that almost every girl at Bernd's allows CIM. I may be wrong but just 4 or 5 girls do not perform CIM.
In any case it's always a good idea to ask in advance.
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Viagra/Cialis & Alcohol...
I notice some visitors to FKK clubs and PartyTreffs use Viagra or Cialis to enhance/prolong the experience.
Is it actually feasible then to partake of the alcohol provided in the clubs (eg beer) or is it non-advisable or even dangerous to mix with one of the stimulants mentioned above?
(Cross-posted in PartyTreff branch).
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[QUOTE=Gergiev]I notice some visitors to FKK clubs and PartyTreffs use Viagra or Cialis to enhance/prolong the experience.
Is it actually feasible then to partake of the alcohol provided in the clubs (eg beer) or is it non-advisable or even dangerous to mix with one of the stimulants mentioned above?
(Cross-posted in PartyTreff branch).[/QUOTE]
Medical advice would be not to consume alcohol when using any type of medication so I would not drink if using Viagra/Cialis. Also people take these drugs in order to get/keep an erection and one sure way of stopping this is to drink alcohol so definitely not recommended.
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Bernd's CIM
[QUOTE=Italy 1974]I think that almost every girl at Bernd's allows CIM. I may be wrong but just 4 or 5 girls do not perform CIM.
In any case it's always a good idea to ask in advance.[/QUOTE]
I have probably been with all of the Hof Regular SP over the last 3 years and have yet to find one that does not do CIM. I haven't done it with all of them, but also have not heard of any that didn't. It would be hard for her to stay a regular gig there if she didn't, since all of the regualr customers have come to expect it as part of the standard service.
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[QUOTE=Iseeu]I have probably been with all of the Hof Regular SP over the last 3 years and have yet to find one that does not do CIM. I haven't done it with all of them, but also have not heard of any that didn't. It would be hard for her to stay a regular gig there if she didn't, since all of the regualr customers have come to expect it as part of the standard service.[/QUOTE]I don't have (unfortunately) a so vast experience at Bernd's. But in my 25 visits (or so) there I have never been refused CIM by any girl.
Now I do not even mind do ask if they do CIM ad, as you wrote, I expect it as part of the standard sevice.
My answer is to Peter who wrote "to be clear....it is included only IF the girl offers it at Bernd'S and while most girls there do, there are some who don't".
Since I have heard in the past (from some reliable customers) that few girl do not allow CIM, I reported it.
Still virtually any girl at Bernd's perform CIM.
Italy 1974
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not to make this the Bernd's thread....
but the small turkish girl who has been working at bernds for at least a year and a half doesn't offer CIM, and I have run into another girl there, who doesn't work there anymore, who didn't offer it either.
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[QUOTE=Peter]not to make this the Bernd's thread....
but the small turkish girl who has been working at bernds for at least a year and a half doesn't offer CIM, and I have run into another girl there, who doesn't work there anymore, who didn't offer it either.[/QUOTE]As I wrote some girls at Bernd's don't offer CIM.
But they are a small minority as almost every girl does it.
Italy 1974
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Asian guys raving about German FKK clubs:
[url]http://www.********forum.com/international-field-reports-new/74697-fkk-clubs-germany-rocks-3.html[/url]
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Extra's
Hi,
What is the general experiences of extra's offered and costs?
I've spent most of my FKK'ing in the "big 3" (mainly due to more English being spoken), but am also aware that these 3 charge for everything, while others might not. i.e:
- CIM €50
- Anal €100
Where is a better deal offered?
Also, what about the in betweens with Anal, such as fingering in the ass, rimming etc? (havent done it to date because scared of being hit with a bill at the end:)
I believe 'The Hof' is one with a better deal? can someone elaborate? I've been there but never taken advantage.
Thanks
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Going to Frankfurt in October - Need Some Accomodation and FKK Tips
Hello everyone,
1) I was wondering if anyone had information about what cheap places to stay in Frankfurt. I'm going there the second week in october and have not made any reservation for any place, reason being, I really don't wanna spend so much money in accomodations. Also, if you advise how to get to that (those) places from the airport, that would be great.
2) I'm planning to visit some FKK clubs while Im there. And Im interested in going to Pauschalclubs and Partytreffs. Any information about how they work and where to find the good ones will be appreciated.
Thanks!
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[QUOTE=OzPunter]Hi,
What is the general experiences of extra's offered and costs?
I've spent most of my FKK'ing in the "big 3" (mainly due to more English being spoken), but am also aware that these 3 charge for everything, while others might not. i.e:
- CIM €50
- Anal €100
Where is a better deal offered?
Also, what about the in betweens with Anal, such as fingering in the ass, rimming etc? (havent done it to date because scared of being hit with a bill at the end:)
I believe 'The Hof' is one with a better deal? can someone elaborate? I've been there but never taken advantage.
Thanks[/QUOTE]
I haven't been to 'The Hof' but according to reports if the girl offers CIM (99% do) then it is free. In NRW CIM is normally €25 and anal €50 so they are half the price of the 'big 3' clubs and well worth checking out.
I've done rimming and finger in ass with girls who enjoy this and not been charged for any extras but it's always worth checking.
The sessions in NRW are normally cheaper as well with 1 hour being €75 (€50+€25) rather than €100 although one or two girls at GT do charge €50 per 30 mins.
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the only club I have ever been charged for rimming a girl is cocoon, and I found that strange.
as warsteiner said the extras are about half the price in the clubs in NRW. At Hof CIM is included if the girl offers it, and anal if she offers is 50€ extra.
I think fingering her ass is someting different than rimming, as it is more invasive, and I would expect that she would charge extra for it, or just tell you she is not into it..
I hate anering questions about the pricing, because the intensity with which different men pursue different practices varies a lot...ad a girl who might take 50€ for me to do 5 minutes of anal with my relatively small penis might charge another guy a lot more who pounds her with a giat cock for 29 of 30 minutes....
So I think as men we should always pay a fair price for the service we are getting, as we would expect the woen to be offering us a fair service as well....
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Shooting up like mushrooms
[url]http://www.fkk-hawai.de/index.php[/url]
And another one. Starting 17.10.2008.
Quite a big one by the look of things. Entry EUR 65.
If it takes off, it could be an alternative to CoLa in Augsburg for those stuck in Munich. It's about the same distance. But it is Bavarian :-( with the kniown restrictions no doubt.
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Should we hand this to you on...
[QUOTE=Eduardo Corrochi]Hello everyone,
1) I was wondering if anyone had information about what cheap places to stay in Frankfurt. I'm going there the second week in october and have not made any reservation for any place, reason being, I really don't wanna spend so much money in accomodations. Also, if you advise how to get to that (those) places from the airport, that would be great.
2) I'm planning to visit some FKK clubs while Im there. And Im interested in going to Pauschalclubs and Partytreffs. Any information about how they work and where to find the good ones will be appreciated.
Thanks![/QUOTE]
... a silver platter? Its all here. You need to take the initiative.
1) Look up a post by Rufus T Firefly under the Frankfurt forum. He has an excellent list of cheap accomodations in FRA.
2) The Partytreff forum is chockablock full of discussions on the best Pauschalclubs.
Ask a detailed question and you will get an answer. These general questions reveal you aren't willing to do any work on your own.
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Bavarian restrictions?
The Bavarian
[url=http://www.gapinfo.de/gesundheitsamt/alle/gesetz/seuche/hyv/dv.htm]Hygiene-Verordnung[/url], which at clause 6 enforces prostitutes to use condoms for sexual activities, use the term "Geschlechtsverkehr". What does this term includes exactly: HJ? BJ? DATY (female condoms are marketed)? I see a phrase from this [url=http://www.muenchen.de/cms/prod1/mde/_de/rubriken/Rathaus/50_kvr/ordnung/sperrbezirk/pdf/prostitutionsbroschuere.pdf]guide for prostitutes in Munich[/url] often mentioned, where it states that the term "Geschlechtsverkehr" applies also to oral sex. Is this an interpretation or a mandatory advice?
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Low budget airlines?
Anyone have experience flying ryanair? Was looking into the possibility of flying to another destination while in Europe, but it looks like ryan air only flies out of the smaller airports. Any suggestions/airlines one should look at that fly out of Frankfurts main airport that are low budget? Any website suggestions to search for low airfare's in Europe?
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Ryanair
There are no better alternatives than Ryanair. They treat you like a bunch of cattle, but charge for a flight is also close to zero.
My last Sweden - Frankfurt Hahn return ticket cost me 20 Eurocent! This gives quite a lot of money left for more important things. There are some advices. Never check in luggage (cost a lot), always use Visa Electron for payment (free of charge, otherwise 3 Euro per one way trip), book as much as you can when they have promotion (and they have promotions all the time, just wait for the best = 0.01 Euro taxes and charges included). If you use the tickets or not is not a big thing at that pricing. I have booked 70 trips to Germany from now until Feb 08. At least two alternatives every week. Total damage 7 Euro.
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[QUOTE=Breadman]Anyone have experience flying ryanair? Was looking into the possibility of flying to another destination while in Europe, but it looks like ryan air only flies out of the smaller airports. Any suggestions/airlines one should look at that fly out of Frankfurts main airport that are low budget? Any website suggestions to search for low airfare's in Europe?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, the "main" airport thing is the problem. Ryan Air flies only out of Frankfurt Hahn, which is 100 miles or so away. But there is always sixti.com for a cheap rental car, too.
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[QUOTE=Euro100]Yeah, the "main" airport thing is the problem. Ryan Air flies only out of Frankfurt Hahn, which is 100 miles or so away. But there is always sixti.com for a cheap rental car, too.[/QUOTE]
Add about 200 miles for round trip. Assume car gets 25mpg (8 gallons) at 9 dollars a gallon and you instantly add 72 dollars to the trip without even adding the drive time. No such a great bargain after all.
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[QUOTE=Gattonero]The Bavarian
[url=http://www.gapinfo.de/gesundheitsamt/alle/gesetz/seuche/hyv/dv.htm]Hygiene-Verordnung[/url], which at clause 6 enforces prostitutes to use condoms for sexual activities, use the term "Geschlechtsverkehr". What does this term includes exactly: HJ? BJ? DATY (female condoms are marketed)? I see a phrase from this [url=http://www.muenchen.de/cms/prod1/mde/_de/rubriken/Rathaus/50_kvr/ordnung/sperrbezirk/pdf/prostitutionsbroschuere.pdf]guide for prostitutes in Munich[/url] often mentioned, where it states that the term "Geschlechtsverkehr" applies also to oral sex. Is this an interpretation or a mandatory advice?[/QUOTE]I haven't been to CoLa in Augsburg since the "rules" changed. But official club policy is that BBBJ is not allowed. The club has no choice in this matter, it seems.
What happens on the mattress, I do not know.
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Geschlechtsverkehr
[QUOTE=Gattonero]The Bavarian
[url=http://www.gapinfo.de/gesundheitsamt/alle/gesetz/seuche/hyv/dv.htm]Hygiene-Verordnung[/url], which at clause 6 enforces prostitutes to use condoms for sexual activities, use the term "Geschlechtsverkehr". What does this term includes exactly: HJ? BJ? DATY (female condoms are marketed)? I see a phrase from this [url=http://www.muenchen.de/cms/prod1/mde/_de/rubriken/Rathaus/50_kvr/ordnung/sperrbezirk/pdf/prostitutionsbroschuere.pdf]guide for prostitutes in Munich[/url] often mentioned, where it states that the term "Geschlechtsverkehr" applies also to oral sex. Is this an interpretation or a mandatory advice?[/QUOTE]
As you have noted, the critical word in the section on prostitution is [i]Geschlechtsverkehr[/i].
[quote=Bayerische Gesundheitsamt]Kondomzwang bei Prostituierten
Weibliche und männliche Prostituierte und deren Kunden sind verpflichtet, beim Geschlechtsverkehr, Kondome zu verwenden.[/quote]
In other words, condoms are required during [i]Geschlechtsverkehr[/i] or GV.
The strict interpretation of GV is intercourse. The question you have rightly asked (and one I ask myself) is whether this includes other forms of contact.
Mind you this [i]Ordnung[/i] also mentions contact that doctors, dentists, manicurists, tatoo artists, usw. may have with their patients/clients.
The second document though has a section which effectively defines what GV includes and it does say specifically that OV or [i]Oralverkehr[/i] is included.
[quote=Ratgeber fuer Prostituierte]Oralverkehr gehört zum Geschlechtsverkehr und kann ungeschützt z.B. auch Hepatitis und
Syphilis übertragen.[/quote]
BBBJ is [i]streng Verboten[/i] in Bayern and a CDL is subject to fines if she is caught performing it. This isn't a recommendation but rather a [i]Vorschrift[/i] with fines which are assessed for [i]Ordnungswidrig[/i] activities.
Sounds like this includes [i]Freier[/i] going down on the women too. (One of my favorite activites, by the way. Rats! One more reason to avoid Bayern except for the usual things one can do in that neck of the woods such as enjoy the Bier.)
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[QUOTE=Akibono]Add about 200 miles for round trip. Assume car gets 25mpg (8 gallons) at 9 dollars a gallon and you instantly add 72 dollars to the trip without even adding the drive time. No such a great bargain after all.[/QUOTE]
25 mpg in the US maybe but here in Europe unless your driving a Porsche you're going to be getting 35-40mpg, which is about 8 miles to the litre. According to the routeplanner (viaMichellin) it is about 160 miles round trip so that is 20 litres at €1.40 per litre it will work out at €28 or about $40. If you get a diesel car then fuel is cheaper (€1.30) and you will get more mileage. So if you get a cheap Ryan Air flight for less than €1 (as Polar and other members do) you could easily do the complete trip (without Hotel) for €30.
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[QUOTE=Warsteiner]25 mpg in the US maybe but here in Europe unless your driving a Porsche you're going to be getting 35-40mpg, which is about 8 miles to the litre. According to the routeplanner (viaMichellin) it is about 160 miles round trip so that is 20 litres at €1.40 per litre it will work out at €28 or about $40. If you get a diesel car then fuel is cheaper (€1.30) and you will get more mileage. So if you get a cheap Ryan Air flight for less than €1 (as Polar and other members do) you could easily do the complete trip (without Hotel) for €30.[/QUOTE] You are not gonna get 35-40mpg unless you're driving like an old lady. With a hardon on the way to FKK I think Aki has the right consumption figured out ;-)
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[quote=henio]you are not gonna get 35-40mpg unless you're driving like an old lady. with a hardon on the way to fkk i think aki has the right consumption figured out ;-)[/quote]
didnt get the james bond feature's this time, but my little nissan micra car had just enough car (but really lacked any engine power) to get me around germany.
quoted from a test drive article : despite a relatively high continental cruising speed, the average of 54.3mpg was impressive. on its usual city trips in london, economy often creeps above 60mpg, making the overall consumption a penny-pinching 58.7mpg.
i drove from dusseldorf to goldentime...then all the way down to oase...then up to world...then it hit 1/4 tank...and i was doing extra driving besides just going from point a to point b. had no problem cruising at 140kph either.
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[QUOTE=Eduardo Corrochi]Hello everyone,
1) I was wondering if anyone had information about what cheap places to stay in Frankfurt. I'm going there the second week in october and have not made any reservation for any place, reason being, I really don't wanna spend so much money in accomodations. Also, if you advise how to get to that (those) places from the airport, that would be great.
2) I'm planning to visit some FKK clubs while Im there. And Im interested in going to Pauschalclubs and Partytreffs. Any information about how they work and where to find the good ones will be appreciated.
Thanks![/QUOTE]
Check [url]www.hrs.de[/url]. You will find accomodations starting with really low fares.
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[QUOTE=Italy 1974]As a regular customer of Traum Paradies I find the management very concerned about the privacy issue.
As other senior members have already pointed out, you will not be admitted inside the club if there is another customer in the hall. And when it's time to leave they do the same.
Moreover if you call them when you are on your way to Traum Paradies, they will open for you their private garage to park your car. You never know who may pass by.
As for the girls, I strongly reccomend the very young Lizzy, the black Naomi (1st class service) and Lulu.
Hope it may help.
Italy 1974[/QUOTE]
I want also to add, that it's the only club I visited and after each session, I was asked if I liked it and what I think about the service of the girl!
Very interesting club!
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[QUOTE=Ericklein]I want also to add, that it's the only club[/QUOTE]
I just want to add that Traumparadies is not a club in the way we refer to FKK- or Sauna Clubs in this board. It's more or less a "Wohnungspuff", that means an apartment with several rooms and several girls, but you do not mix with other clients, you don't spend the whole day there enjoying spa facilities and naked girls.
HB
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Summary of my experience on performance and performance enhancers (PE).
(I am linking this post also in the Cialis and Viagra Forum.)
After my latest tour in Fuckland, which I am going to report in detail, I am posing to you the following considerations, hoping to receive some feedback, comments and advises from you fellows, confronting your experience with mine.
I need to recall some data on me to introduce the argument: I am 52 (almost 53), thus no more at the peak of my sexual power, however still quite in good shape. A no smoker and no drinker, except for a glass of red vine during meals (which is however now accounted for positive cardiovascular effects), a moderate eater attentive to food quality, a prevalent sedentary life in face of a computer screen, but also some time dedicated to physical activities, including swimming and jogging.
Blood pressure is in the norm (was tendentially lower than average when I was younger).
Unfortunately I am subject to rare but insidious arrhythmic hearth crises, something however that I can control with appropriate treatment and, according to the doctors that visited me, is not incompatible with intense sexual activity and the assumption of PE.
Thus I would leave this out the topic of this post, even if heavy stress conditions seem to favor them, and a sexual tour of several days is such a condition! I thus should limit the endurance of my tours in the future.
Also because of the following considerations.
The first time I visited an FKK was Palace, on Feb. 2007. I was so excited that I could make 4 girls, with sessions up to 40’. The day after at Oase I had just one session (for lack of “inspiration”). After a one day pause I went to Palace again and I made 5 girls, including a 1h session, for a total of 3hs sex, where I had problems in maintaining a strong erection only once, all this without help! I think not bad for a man already in his 50’s. Could it have been the effect of novelty and of a relatively long period of abstinence before that tour?
After some other experiences, I realized however that my recovery time has got too long to be compatible with a standard 1h session. According to my experience the best fuck is the second of the day, after I came once, releasing from load and pressure, but still full of desire and energy. If possible I tend thus to make a 1h session with a girl I like a lot to take this opportunity, something however impossible with a recovery time of 20-40’.
It’s so that I decided to try Cialis during my tour of August/September 2007.
My first experience with C was quite positive, like putting back the clock 20 years!
With the help of the yellow pill the recovery time reduced to 5-10’ (!), erections were hard and I could maintain them for as long as I wanted without problems. After I come once it’s usually much easier to control a 2nd or a 3rd ejaculation, so that I can normally last for a very long time (this I think should be quite common), but I realized that under the effect of the drug it was even more difficult, at the point that I could have 1h sessions or 2 sessions rock hard, before being able to come another time (this also suggested me the nick I am using :). As this has been reported by other of you using C or V, I think this should be ascribed as a collateral effect of PDE-5 inhibitors.
Anyway, I could make 9 girls in 5 days for a total of almost 9 hrs of hard sex!
During my 3rd tour, in December 2007, I experienced the first failures of the pills. In 2 occasions the pill left me on the ground, failing to procure me strong erections. The first case was after I already came once, during a 1h session. The second, after a 30’ fuck, we took a pause and later I was no more able to regain an erection strong enough to continue fucking the girl.
I realized that, in any case, I couldn’t go too far, particularly if physical and/or mental conditions are not at best. I realized also the importance of creating or exploiting a really exciting atmosphere to prepare at best the following act.
My 4th tour was on July this year, and was an 8 days marathon! I was in quite good shape and coming from a long abstinence again, so I was eager for pussy and really stayed in the game for most of the time.
I had any problem for the first 4 days, however I “limited” myself to an average of 2 girls a day, the 1st day without help, but with at least one long session.
I took 2 days off, then a good reprise with 4 girls at a PT and a “grand final” at Oase with again 4 girls but with at least 2 better and longer sessions. However this last day I had to register two half-failures, as in two of the less satisfying sessions I lost my erection ahead of time. The 1st time I was able to regain it, just in order to be finished with an HJ, the 2nd time only a BJ helped, but the erection was not strong enough to fuck the girl again and she was unable to make me come. Luckily, after 2-3 hours, I was able to end the tour with another good session, but in any case the limits of the pill showed up.
Now I am just back from my 5th tour. A 6 days tour in NRW.
I would say a below average tour. Am I getting tired of the game, or was it simply a physiological low?
In 2 days out of 6 I didn’t find the right inspiration to do any session (at VV and YY)!
This may also have determined a depressing mood which may have influenced the following days.
The 1st day, at Villa Emmanuelle, I had, without help, 2 average sessions and one good extended session (although with a certain effort).
Later on it turned out I visited GT 3 times in alternate days. There I had at least 3 good sessions (2 of which extended), 2 bad sessions for bad attitude of the girls, but also 2 bad sessions with two of my favorite girls (!) because I was not able to get or maintain a strong enough erection for enough time!
However this happened in the latest days of my tour, and it was worse the last day. In fact the failure occurred during my first session of the day, which I planned to be an extended session, but after I came once my crazy mate didn’t give any sign of life anymore.
In conclusion:
1) Should I worry for what happened or should I consider this normal?
2) What countermeasures should I take?
One thing could be that I should limit my future tours to at most 4 days, better with one day off before the last day, because then fatigue, both physical and mental, starts to exert its effect, no matter if you take C or V, perhaps even in high dose.
For what concerns dosage it’s also true that I am using the minimal of 10 mg, so I may consider upgrading to the 20 mg pills, however, considering that the half-life of tadalafil is 36 hrs and that I took one pill a day for 3 consecutive days, the 3rd day I had in my blood approximately the equivalent concentration after taking a 20 mg pill, nevertheless I experienced a failure, but it was also the 3rd session of the day after I came once in the session.
Another possibility is that there is a sort of addiction to the drug, however I am not using C a part in these tours, thus it seems to me an insufficient time to develop an hypothetical addiction.
Finally I can consider switching to Viagra or Levitra. I may have a stronger reaction to this drugs, however I am fortunate I didn’t experience any serious collateral effects with C, so I am somewhat worried of experimenting another drug. C may give you muscle pain, but V or L can give you altered or impaired vision, which for me is much more scary!
Also the much shorter duration is a concern.
Moreover the mechanism of action of the 3 drugs is very similar, and most men report similar effects. The only big difference, as far as I know, seems to be the duration of efficacy, which for C is 6 times longer!
It would be interesting to read from whom of you have experimented with the 3 drugs.
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www.youppie.net
Does anyone know what happened to the French forum? I am unable to access it, and yesterday was the same.
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It should still be around
[QUOTE=Duralong]Does anyone know what happened to the French forum? I am unable to access it, and yesterday was the same.[/QUOTE]
It has had periods when its been down but otherwise it is still around.
I just tried just now though and the page which comes up says: "Forbidden".
There is also something about not having access to the server.
Strange! Bizarre!
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car rental quotes in euro's?
Can someone provide me with some websites that allow you to reserve a car in euro's? I keep running into websites that want to quote me in usd's.
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[QUOTE=Jackyo]It has had periods when its been down but otherwise it is still around.
I just tried just now though and the page which comes up says: "Forbidden".
There is also something about not having access to the server.
Strange! Bizarre![/QUOTE]
The same happens to me, so it should be really down.
P.S. Jackyo, any comments about my previous post on performance and PE? Your opinion would be greatly appreciated :)
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[QUOTE=Breadman]Can someone provide me with some websites that allow you to reserve a car in euro's? I keep running into websites that want to quote me in usd's.[/QUOTE]
Just about any one will give you a Euro quote. Hertz, Europcar, Avis, Sixt. All will give you euro quotes. Trick is to enter your country of residence as D'land.
You also might do well to check the following sites:
[url]https://www.economycarrentals.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.mietwagenmarkt.de/[/url]
[url]http://www.weekrent.com/deutschland/autovermietung/rentalcar.php[/url]
Cheers,
Dedalus
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www.youppie.net
[QUOTE=Duralong]Does anyone know what happened to the French forum? I am unable to access it, and yesterday was the same.[/QUOTE]
Apparently, the forum was "hacked" : more information on [url]www.dialogueslib.be[/url] ( thread "SPECIAL : sites internet - Belgique"), your registration will be necessary but free.
By the way, it's a Belgian forum !!
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Best day to Visit FKK or PT
I willbe in Hessen in mid November. I plan to visit eithr PT or FKK on Sunday, is that a good day or is Saturday better?
I read somewhere that the preferred days are Mon thru THursday, less crowded
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This topic is of interest to me too
[QUOTE=Duralong]P.S. Jackyo, any comments about my previous post on performance and PE? Your opinion would be greatly appreciated :)[/QUOTE]
You spent a bit of time thinking this through and I think my reply necessarily requires that I spend some time thinking about it also.
I too wonder what it is that motivates me to sometimes have very strong performances and other times not so. Its not all driven by performance enhancers either.
I'll be back.
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Performance and Performance Enhancers @ Duralong
First of all, thank you for a well thought through post. Sorry to say I cannot help you with your pharmaceutical questions due to lack of knowledge. On the other hand, maybe I can make you change your whole mindset about performance?
From my point of view, I honestly do not see why you began using PE? You can, or at least last year you could, fuck several girls in a day. From what I read the following might be the reason. [quote=Duralong] I realized however that my recovery time has got too long to be compatible with a standard 1h session[/quote]With respect to sex we are all different, but I guess you are trying to say that in 1h you fuck and cum, take a short break and then fuck some more with or without cum. And that is the optimal way to go about .Correct? I used to do that too when I was younger. But eventually I realised it is better to fuck the full hour! IMHO the sensation of [i]almost[/i] cuming during an extended period is far better than anything else in life, so I stick to that once I have found a girl that qualify. Needless to say there must be some mutual attraction, otherwise she will get annoyed after five minutes of pumping. I am sort of high-maintenance for the girls;-) Sure I do ½ hour sessions and even 5 minute sessions, but once I have found my type of girl I book her for longer time. If I cum after 31 minutes i can still have 29 remaining minutes of fun with such a girl.
How to be able to fuck longer time? You might have to change your fucking style and pace. Probably good to exercise the [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pubococcygeus_muscle ]pubococcygeus muscle[/url] as well. Scotch would work fine too was it not for the desensitising..
About the 6-8 day marathons. As you have already realised, why not do a shorter but more intense (and perhaps drug free) tour? An 8 day tour can, for lack of better word, get outright boring if the only thing you do is fucking!
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My view on using performance enhancers...
When I was doing outcalls mainly in Canada, I really had to rely on them...much more so than when I was doing a trip to Germany. Girl knocks on your door and you've got a few minutes of chit chat in street clothes to figure out if you can get it up or not...then she takes off her clothes and you thank god you took that blue pill.
Not so in Germany. You've got plenty of time to size up who you want to see. But your still spending good money and don't want to risk not getting any action out of your cash, so you take small doses instead of the entire pill. This also helps when you start getting tired later in the day. The amount im refering too is around 1/6th the normal dose, just enough 'insurance' so to speak.
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[QUOTE=Everhard]First of all, thank you for a well thought through post. Sorry to say I cannot help you with your pharmaceutical questions due to lack of knowledge. On the other hand, maybe I can make you change your whole mindset about performance?
From my point of view, I honestly do not see why you began using PE? You can, or at least last year you could, fuck several girls in a day. From what I read the following might be the reason. With respect to sex we are all different, but I guess you are trying to say that in 1h you fuck and cum, take a short break and then fuck some more with or without cum. And that is the optimal way to go about .Correct? I used to do that too when I was younger. But eventually I realised it is better to fuck the full hour! IMHO the sensation of [i]almost[/i] cuming during an extended period is far better than anything else in life, so I stick to that once I have found a girl that qualify. Needless to say there must be some mutual attraction, otherwise she will get annoyed after five minutes of pumping. I am sort of high-maintenance for the girls;-) Sure I do ½ hour sessions and even 5 minute sessions, but once I have found my type of girl I book her for longer time. If I cum after 31 minutes i can still have 29 remaining minutes of fun with such a girl.
How to be able to fuck longer time? You might have to change your fucking style and pace. Probably good to exercise the [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pubococcygeus_muscle ]pubococcygeus muscle[/url] as well. Scotch would work fine too was it not for the desensitising..
About the 6-8 day marathons. As you have already realised, why not do a shorter but more intense (and perhaps drug free) tour? An 8 day tour can, for lack of better word, get outright boring if the only thing you do is fucking![/QUOTE]
Everhard would you allow me to come sometimes?
No, thank you, but it’s curios that you gave me counseling on how to last longer, after I wrote plenty of reports where I complain of not being able to come!
It’s not a case that I chose this nickname... I hope instead yours doesn’t correspond to reality. They say it’s painful after a few hours :)
Anyway, I cannot pretend that everybody read my reports.
However there is some truth in what you say. What you describe is a situation that I experience after a long period of abstinence and particularly for the first session of the day. I think however that this should be considered normal. Have you ever experienced a long abstinence? Would you last 1h or 2hs fucking, after, let’s say, 3 months that you don’t see a pussy? Even if you exercise?
Anyway, I don’t know why you said that we are all different because I substantially agree with your approach. However you probably have the luck of living there. In that case I would do the same as you, but believe me the perspective is completely different if you have to concentrate everything in a few days tour every several months.
In any case, your experience on the topic I introduced is interesting. I understood you don’t use PE, right?
Would you tell us something more on your typical performance?
It’s true that in my summary I reported also of relatively good performances without help. Why I didn’t continue without help? Because I realized that I wouldn’t be able to sustain those good performances in the long term. As I said, novelty, abstinence and particularly exciting conditions played a role, but this cannot be the norm. Moreover, when I go to those places, I regret of having only one cock :) so I strive to use the one I have at best.
That’s why I called for confronting our experiences, to learn from each other.
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@Duralong
It is true I do not use PE but I know the well known side effect of not being able to cum. Drop the drugs and be able to cum was my assumption. And solution. How long would I last after some abstinence? There can be only one answer: How could I know? ;) I am not saying longer time is better. For me 1h is the optimal time when doing the p4p. The longest time I did was 2h nonstop with what you would describe as a semi pro. In fact I was quite content after 1h, but, like you, I just could not cum. So simply had to fuck until I reached an orgasm with this particular girl (quite enthusiastic I might add). More info about my performance statistics in this [post=507529]old post[/post] for those interested.
Now for my questions to you. I still do not understand why you need PE. [quote=Duralong]It’s true that in my summary I reported also of relatively good performances without help. Why I didn’t continue without help? Because I realized that I wouldn’t be able to sustain those good performances in the long term.[/quote] So what constitute good performance for [i]you[/i]? Is it erection for a long time, or short period of recovery time, or many cums in a day? I tried to interpret what you wrote but cannot really tell.
Was I wrong in interpreting that a good 1h session for you is cum midway and then more sex? How else do I understand[quote=Duralong]If possible I tend thus to make a 1h session with a girl I like a lot to take this opportunity, something however impossible with a recovery time of 20-40’.[/quote] If you have problems to cum (even without drugs as you write), just do the 1h session, right? If you meet this special girl as the first girl of the tour (=cum quickly) just do her again later if she is that special! Or do an average girl as the first girl of every tour.
My reading comprehension perhaps low, but from how I interpret you had no problems until you started with the pills? I am no Einstein but.... please enlighten. I probably cannot help, but I am curious to why people turn to PE when there seems to be no reason except for novelty.
Ps. Is it the same sensation using PE? It just takes longer to cum, without any desensitisation whatsoever?
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[QUOTE=Erin1234]I willbe in Hessen in mid November. I plan to visit eithr PT or FKK on Sunday, is that a good day or is Saturday better?
I read somewhere that the preferred days are Mon thru THursday, less crowded[/QUOTE]
Best time to visit an FKK is on Saturday between 5am-10am. Not as crowded & no line for rooms.
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[QUOTE=Vito Corleone]Best time to visit an FKK is on Saturday between 5am-10am. Not as crowded & no line for rooms.[/QUOTE]
You've got a cruel sense of humor Mr Corleone :)
[QUOTE=Erin1234]
I willbe in Hessen in mid November. I plan to visit eithr PT or FKK on Sunday, is that a good day or is Saturday better?
I read somewhere that the preferred days are Mon thru THursday, less crowded[/QUOTE]
I can say about the clubs in Hessen but those in NRW are less crowded on Sunday but there are also less girls. If you're going to visit Palace or Oase then there should still be plently of girls on Sunday to tempt you.
Have fune
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[QUOTE=Everhard]@Duralong
It is true I do not use PE but I know the well known side effect of not being able to cum. Drop the drugs and be able to cum was my assumption. And solution. How long would I last after some abstinence? There can be only one answer: How could I know? ;) [/QUOTE]
Ok, good for you.
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I am not saying longer time is better. For me 1h is the optimal time when doing the p4p.
The longest time I did was 2h nonstop with what you would describe as a semi pro. In fact I was quite content after 1h, but, like you, I just could not cum. So simply had to fuck until I reached an orgasm with this particular girl (quite enthusiastic I might add). [/QUOTE]
I also remember a 2hs, nonstop, rock hard sex, but that was with a regular girlfriend (she also was enthusiastic :), and it happened nearly 20 years ago :(
In those years I also established my record of 7 cums in 24 hs, in a day practically devoted completely to fucking... but I am no more that guy and is useless recalling this... but it’s amusing :)
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More info about my performance statistics in this [post=507529]old post[/post] for those interested. [/QUOTE]
Very interesting. We can benefit from a sound analysis of our “perforformance”, which doesn’t mean just measuring for how long or the number of times, but what are our sensations, in what circumstances it’s better or worse, etc.. Your old post offers lots of stimuli in this sense.
I must say that my experience confirms yours in a lot of aspects.
However there is a big difference between you and me: as far as I have understood you have a sexual activity on a regular basis, while for me unfortunately it’s not the norm.
Basically I am a solitary man, I find sometimes a girl/woman for a piece of road together but I am selective, I have few occasions, I work too much, and I am not George Clooney, so it’s not easy for me.
I also recurr to paid sex only as an emergency exit, so my performance are influenced a lot by this sporadic nature of my activity. I have peaks of activity and then may be some months of complete calm. Nevertheless, when I succeed to reach a steady state, after the transient state, I can experience the 4 “fucking modes” you described in your old post.
I found correct also your analysis on the various factors that influence the process.
The problem is how can we enter the best mode, more often or more easily? Is there something we can do?
[QUOTE=]
Now for my questions to you. I still do not understand why you need PE. So what constitute good performance for [i]you[/i]? Is it erection for a long time, or short period of recovery time, or many cums in a day? I tried to interpret what you wrote but cannot really tell. [/QUOTE]
All of these. Why not?
[QUOTE=]
Was I wrong in interpreting that a good 1h session for you is cum midway and then more sex? How else do I understand If you have problems to cum (even without drugs as you write), just do the 1h session, right? If you meet this special girl as the first girl of the tour (=cum quickly) just do her again later if she is that special! Or do an average girl as the first girl of every tour. [/QUOTE]
I may agree with you that’s not perhaps the best way to use the hour, but recently in my tours I did this in several occasions:
a) book the hour, b) release brakes and cum relatively quickly (e.g. in 15’, 20’), c) regain erection after 5-10’ (thanks to the pill), d) fuck (worry free) till end of the hour, usually without coming. In some occasions I extended further to 1h ½, but I was not able to cum anyway. I never extended further to 2h as in all cases (after 1h ½) I was physically exhausted (it’s no more like I was in my 30’s).
[QUOTE=]
My reading comprehension perhaps low, but from how I interpret you had no problems until you started with the pills? I am no Einstein but.... please enlighten. I probably cannot help, but I am curious to why people turn to PE when there seems to be no reason except for novelty. [/QUOTE]
The pill a) reduces recovery times, b) reduces (but not eliminates) the risk of loosing erection (for whatever reason) before you are done, c) gives more arrows at your arc (i.e. you can get more erections during the day, which you might use or not).
I must say that the sensation of having your penis responsive and full of blood again when you see a girl you like, even if you made sex just 2 hs before, and thus you know you can make her if you want, because your mate will support you, is great.
[QUOTE=]
Ps. Is it the same sensation using PE? It just takes longer to cum, without any desensitisation whatsoever?[/QUOTE]
Looking better however I think there is something which goes lost. With the pill, being more difficult to cum, I never experienced that sensation that you build up after a long fuck and you feel your orgasm is approaching, but it's still somewhat far away, you seek it, you increase your pace and you feel this sensation growing, until you reach an orgasm that comes from deep inside you and leaves you breathless.
This kind of orgasm (you know what I am talking about, right?), the best you can get, I never experienced with the pill.
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more performance
[quote=Duralong]I may agree with you that’s not perhaps the best way to use the hour, but recently in my tours I did this in several occasions:
a) book the hour, b) release brakes and cum relatively quickly (e.g. in 15’, 20’), c) regain erection after 5-10’ (thanks to the pill), d) fuck (worry free) till end of the hour, usually without coming.[/quote]OK, that would mean my original assumption and ‘prescription’ still stands. Drop the cum early and fuck again after a pause-approach. Focus on using the full hour for sex. Maybe start slow and then increase pace in small steps. If I understand correct, this is also what many women prefer. At least those that are not in the game strictly for the money. Then the recovery time won’t be so much of an issue. Hence, less need for PE!
Recounting my year so far, I remember I actually did the fuck-pause-fuck again at least once. I almost never do more than ½h first time with a new girl. This girl was very friendly so I thought why not do her again right away. Occasionally I come across girls that have an incredible fit, genitally speaking. This girl was one of those as well. I have done her some more afterwards but I have real problems restraining myself. The fit is so good I always end up cumming faster than intended. I do agree that the first shot can be problematic. My advice is to either go with someone you recognise and you know will not milk you like a cow, or go with someone you just know will be unfriendly but somehow you cannot resister her looks, or do an average girl on your maybe list.
[quote=Duralong]Looking better however I think there is something which goes lost. With the pill, being more difficult to cum, I never experienced that sensation that you build up after a long fuck and you feel your orgasm is approaching, but it's still somewhat far away, you seek it, you increase your pace and you feel this sensation growing, until you reach an orgasm that comes from deep inside you and leaves you breathless.
This kind of orgasm (you know what I am talking about, right?), the best you can get, I never experienced with the pill.[/quote]Oh yes I know that feeling. Now I am even more certain I won’t use the pill anytime soon.
[quote=Duralong]The problem is how can we enter the best mode, more often or more easily? Is there something we can do?[/quote]I am glad you found my old post of interest. Is there something we could do? I wish I knew but I am somewhat sceptic. Some time ago I experience my longest orgasm ever. It felt like at least twice the length of a normal one and it was powerful. Every extra second is like an eternity when it cums to orgasms. I can only imagine what it is like for women. Now half of the readers are sitting thinking ok the girl shoved a baseball bat up my ass for his first time and gave me a prostate massage and that explains the reaction. But no, it was plain vanilla sex and out of the blue. Of course the girl was special, but it shows I do not really know anything about my own sexuality.
[quote=Duralong]as far as I have understood you have a sexual activity on a regular basis[/quote]I do not know about that, but you can be certain it is much less activity than I would wish for.:)
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In answer to Duralong's post
I spent some time thinking about Duralong's questions about his performance and performance enhancers.
I have conducted some recent experiments with Cialis and can only say that I don't see any effect on myself, not even a placebo effect.
Articles about it indicate that you can take one pill and it is effective for up to three days. I don't see how this can work.
Maybe I need to take a higher dose (I've been splitting their pills in half). I did try taking half pills several days in a row and that didn't make a difference either.
My experiences are best when I have good orgasms and not bad ones.
Not all of my orgasms are the same. Good ones are kind of like wet dream orgasms. I can have those over and over again. My cycle times are shorter too. Bad orgasms are like when I am trying to get away from a chick and I force myself to have one so I can get away from her.
Does anyone else classify their orgasms this way?
I will be the first one to say that I am certainly no stud. I perform well with certain women, don't perform well with others. I have been trying to figure this out for the longest time.
It has something to do with her sexual response to me, mostly. If she is easy to please, I have a good time and we both have a good time. If she isn't easy to please, I don't have such a good time.
As I've written before I respond mostly to her inner temperature. She has to be warm and inviting. If she isn't I can poke away and poke away and nothing will happen.
I kid the women that they should call me the next time they have a fever.
I have also become extremely picky about her lubricant. If she uses the artificial variety, I can slip and slide away into infinity and won't come at all. The best kind of session is when she generates her own natural lubricant and she really gets into it.
Women like this I am addicted to. None of that "I can't kiss you or come with you because you aren't my husband or boyfriend" crap. If she just lets herself go I go into extended and multiple session mode with her. There is none of that fake moaning crap and those contractions she experiences when she comes are genuine too.
Bottom line: I watch carefully for her response. I have the best time with articulate, communicative girls next door who don't go into a professional mode hence my search for amateurs or semi-pros at most.
Sometimes you read posts on this forum by guys who focus on themselves and don't at all mention how she reacted to the session.
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Sex is interaction
Jackio,
I have read you post and I found it very interesting.
I agree on most of your opinions but the most important one is the last sentence of your post when you write "Sometimes you read posts on this forum by guys who focus on themselves and don't at all mention how she reacted to the session". That' exactly the point!
Sex -it doesn't matter is paid sex or free sex- is basically an interaction beetween two human beings. Like you wrote the result of a sexual intercourse "has something to do with her sexual response to me".
Beyond that we may discuss about Cialis and Viagra and whatever, even if I do not have any opinion about the so-called PE as I do not use them. But the main point is the chemistry beetween a man and a woman (or two...).
PS: by the way my classification of orgasms is basically like yours.
Italy 1974
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Blue Magic
I guess the best place for this discussion is under "Special Interests -
Viagra" but since we are here, I will put in my 2 cents worth.
I do find Viagra somewhat desensitizing, so it is a mixed blessing.
Yes, I feel like a man of steel, but sometimes with no happy ending.
So better for the girl, but a mixed blessing for me.
Thus it is most useful when you are trying to impress or please the girl.
But also useful if you are trying to perform in imperfect circumstances.
I started taking them when my wife was pretty non-responsive -
in part because she was not doing much to get me going, so I needed a boost;
and in part because I thought rocking her world might change her attitude,
which it did. Now I mix it up judiciously, no pills for normal pleasure,
but a little boost every now and then to spice things up.
I also found the little blue pills useful when stepping out.
Initially a nervous philanderer, I blew a couple of opportunities
by drinking too much or being otherwise too nervous to perform.
The blue pill gives you a real boost and more confidence.
Don't discount the placebo effect.
The other benefit is that Viagra tends to extend your staying power,
post-climax. So if you are banging a girlfriend, more chance to keep
giving her joy after your own happy ending. But this may not be a good
thing if you are using a condom - you may be tempted to continue
pumping and risk the thing coming off or spilling.
But being superman is less essential if it is her job to please me - if she is a pro.
Nevertheless, I took some Vitamin V when visiting an FKK for the first time.
I wanted to make sure that I could fully take advantage of the experience.
Viagra does make you last longer and reload faster. After 15 years of
marriage, I no longer know how often I CAN do it in a few hours -
I am lucky to get once in the evening and once in the morning.
Thus, given the desensitizing effect of Vitamin V combined with
the less-than-ideal early morning offerings at the Palace, I had to
upgrade to BBBJs from both women to be certain of a happy ending.
But it was also kind of ego-boosting to have a girl come onto me,
and for me to put her off by saying I had just finished a session
and needed time to recharge, then for her to slip her hand into
my robe and exclaim that clearly I was ready to go already!
But in an ideal world, the pro would be responsible for making
Mr Happy happy, and I would leave enhancers for when I needed to perform.
Overall, I would say that Cialas has less of a de-sensitizing effect than Viagra,
and is of course longer lasting, but there can be other side effects.
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PE Pharmacology
A number of you have commented on the biggest problem for scientific assessment in this area. It is hard to imagine a measured outcome which would be more susceptible to the placebo effect. Your mood, your physiological state, your immediate stimulation, your response to her response, obvious side effects (like flushing) which "prove" to you it's working, etc etc etc.
Nonetheless it is obvious these drugs work, the effect is just too clear.
So I'll just add a bit about the pharmacology, since I do drug discovery/development work for a pharma company. A big one. One which makes one of these medicines, but I'll stop there. My background is chemistry.
To Jackyo's question, it is no mystery why Cialis works longer. It has the longest half life. All drugs must be cleared from the body one way or another, whether directly through kidneys or bile, or by being metabolized ie chemically changed to a form which in turn can be excreted, or some combination of all that. Also it's a very insoluble compound in water, which means a dose is dissolved/absorbed for as long as the drug passes through the stomach and intestines. Probably, a significant portion of any dose is not absorbed. Still, if you take a bigger dose, you absorb more because there is more in your stomach.
This kind of relates to the nature of its effect. It's absorbed more slowly, so it takes a while to build up. Once it's there it stays around. So it makes sense that an effective dose is perceived as more gentle. You wouldn't want to induce a bigger effect because it persists too long.
By the way, those properties also make it easy to develop a once-a-day low-dose formulation, which has just been approved, I believe. For those who "anticipate having interactions more than once a week". LOL. When I read that, I thought, heck, I "anticipate" having sex dozens of times daily, as do practically all men, whether they hobby or not. But before I started hobbying, I succeeded in having sex maybe 2-4 times a month, compared to 2-4 times per week recently. As I've noted in other posts, this includes far more sex at home than I've had in years. Maybe a lady on Tuesday and another on Friday, then Sat and Sun at home basking in the afterglow. And I never use PEs at home.
In contrast, Viagra has a sharper effect because it has a much shorter half life. For me, I can usually feel flushing in about 30 min and peak effect is around 2 hours. But the half life is reasonable, so some effect of it persists for up to 5 hours. I should mention that I don't have ED, and I usually take half of a 100 mg pill. Don't like to take more because I don't like the flushing etc side effects.
At the other end of the scale is Levitra, which has the shortest half life of the three. This comes on really strong (a friend of mine who uses it says it's almost immediate, like 10-20 min for peak effect), but won't last as long. Again it makes sense it has the biggest "punch" because, for a dose to be effective, you'll have a stronger peak effect to have enough stick around in your body long enough to enjoy the consequences.
Regarding desensitization, I was interested to see Duralong's report and also check that ISG PE forum. My friends have mentioned this and I didn't quite believe it, because that side effect is not in the scientific efficacy data (as far as I know, I don't pretend to be an expert). I was thinking about this and wondering whether that's because the clinical studies concentrated on ED patients, who of course are happy to be able to do what they've had trouble doing. Most of the studies, since these have to be well controlled, required married men or those in "committed" relationships. [Would our community say monogamy promotes ED? . I would] But in using these as a "drug of abuse", which can be defined as using something when you're actually not sick or below the norm, you can easily compare how it feels with and without.
For me, I'd say the desensitization wasn't dramatic enough to notice at first, because all those other variables mean I can still come quickly on Viagra or be laboring to finish (but still hard) without it. But now I perceive that within all that "noise" there is a desensitization effect. Is it real or have we all just convinced ourselves we'll have this problem" I do know, for sure, that when I meet a girl and start wondering if I'll be able to perform with her (maybe I feel she's just too beautiful or too hardcore for me) then that is exactly when I run into problems finishing.
OK, maybe I should have posted this in the PE section, but there has been an interesting discussion here.
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Sie vs. Du?
Hi! First time poster. I'm planning my first visit to a couple FKK clubs in November. My question is do the German speaking girls prefer the Sie or Du form? (e.g., Wollen sie mine cock suck? etc. etc.). My German is very rusty but I figure I can get by...!
Thanks to all the posters, this forum is the best. I will visit at least Oase and then Bernds while I'm there.
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Interesting comments here and appropriate I would say as the use of performance enhancers I would guess is quite common among the FKK enthusiasts. This is just speculation on my part.
My own experience with these types of drugs is rather limited. Some years back, just before I left for Thailand, I was given 4 V's by a friend who wanted me to maximize my enjoyment in the bars of Bangkok. I split each tablet into two and so I took the drug 8 times in total.
What I enjoyed was the certainty that when I wanted it, the erection would be there. And what an erection! No semi-floppers here. It was literally like being 16 years old again. And condoms? No problem. Rolled right on like being applied to a broom handle.
What I did not like was the side effects. I found that the pills made me feel quite unpleasant, flushing, a persistent headache around my forehead and the aforementioned lack of sensitivity and difficulty finishing. Perhaps all these effects can not be attributed to the V as I was (perhaps irresponsibly) using these drugs purely for recreational purposes and was at the same time drinking cheap Thai beer and smoking rather to many cigs. So I can not say, and indeed think it unlikely, that it was just the V causing the lack of sensation.
Over the past two years I have done my mongering here in Berlin Germany almost exclusively at bordellos though with the occasional escort and late night trip to a sex kino for a booty call. I am now pushing 50 years and my experience with erections is that they are no longer in any way guaranteed in any given situation.
In general I have decided though not to go the way of using performance enhancers for several reasons. Perhaps the main reason is that in my experience of recreational drug use, and in my youth this was extensive, the body is, in it’s functions, quite lazy. As a result, when we take a drug(V) to produce a result (erection) the body pretty quickly figures out that it no longer has to do what it is meant/built to do and thus a subtle dependence is created. I am not sure what the studies made by the drug companies would say of this observation (probably unfounded) but this is my, admittedly anecdotal, experience across a wide range of drugs used, as I say, recreationally.
And let me also say that I have often been sorely tempted to get hold of some viagra. The fact is (for me) that when I visit a bordello and pay for some time with a young lovely I want to be able to “perform”. And that is not always what happens. However, and this I might ad conforms pretty much to my general philosophy of life, whit I find is that what does happen can some how ad to the depth of my experience even if it is not what I really “want” to have happen.
By way of illustration-one of my most powerful/fun experiences in recent memory occurred with a young lady who I saw on the KD website and spent considerable time and effort trying to see. I just loved her picture on the website and I made several appointments with her which were scuttled when she failed to show up for work or ended up having a previous client extend the session.
When finally we did hook up, for initially a half hour session, she did not disappoint. Physically or as a companion. That is spending time with her was great fun for me and we had one of those nice connections that can happen occasionally with a working girl.
However, when it came to the sex, something was just not happening for me. I could not get an erection with her no matter what we did. (And I even visited another KD girl, to reassure myself that all was well with little A, and everything worked perfectly.) But with this girl-nothing though I enjoyed immensely her company.
The first half hour session we had something happened which did kind of blow my mind though. When it became apparent that little Angus was not going to fully cooperate she simply climbed on board, inserted my soft dick in her pussy and just sat there doing “something” with her pussy. It felt good and it took about 3-4 minutes before I had one of the most powerful orgasms that I can remember. Whatever her “technique” I did recognize it as tantric in nature.
Unfortunately, when I tired to get her to repeat this feat, she could not as I truly believe that she was not really aware of what she was “doing” the first time and the pressure to repeat the process kind of killed the possibility.
The reason I tell this rather long story is to illustrate that when something fails to happen, something else is always possible and often that something else is better than the something originally desired.
And ultimately, with this girl who I saw several times, little A got his mojo back and the last time we met she received a proper rodgering with little A in full splendor!
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Angus, thanks for the reflections, which are useful to me because I've been thinking through the same issues. I won't comment right now because I'm getting ready to leave for a business trip to Germany today. What a blessing because I'll be playing before and after the business days. See the ISG team building event planned for Bernd's tomorrow (Nov 3rd), under Travel Plans.
But I'm thinking through these same issues and plan to experiment some with using and not using the PEs. Truth be told, I'm in the normal range and use half a V just for assurance I don't have worry about my response. I'm 54 but still have sex regularly at home without using anything. Time to get back to doing that in P4P, at least when I'm not trying to push myself like the third time in a day at a Sauna club.
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Siezen oder Duzen
[QUOTE=Camster6969]Hi! First time poster. I'm planning my first visit to a couple FKK clubs in November. My question is do the German speaking girls prefer the Sie or Du form? (e.g., Wollen sie mine cock suck? etc. etc.). My German is very rusty but I figure I can get by...!
Thanks to all the posters, this forum is the best. I will visit at least Oase and then Bernds while I'm there.[/QUOTE]
Hey Cam,
Forgive me for giggling a little when I read your post. And I promise that I am not laughing at you. Truth is, I actually remember that I "sieszt" my first few p4p gals in Deutschland. Actually had one give me a lecture that formalities could be dropped if two people were gonna be naked and screwing.
"Dutz" girls in the clubs. In fact, "dutz" Gents in the clubs as well. Even in heuty-teuty places like Berlin (where one can still find that old Prussian formality) and Munich. You're absolutely OK doing this. In fact you will avoid the possible perception that you are a nervous newbie.
"Wollen sie mine cock suck?" More than likely the gals are use to hearing "less polite" commands and requests. In the Oase Kino once I heard a dude tell Michelle while she had her hinder in his face and her head in his lap, "Ohhhh ja! Saugen, du Drecksau!"
Cheers,
Dedalus
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Comment on Angus & Johnny Z's discussion
Hello All,
I'm a newbie here and I plan on spending my next birthday in Germany. Exploring old haunts if they still exist. Chuckle, I was in the Mannheim area in the U. S. Army back in 1969/70. I wonder if those bars I used to frequent are still there.
Since I make use of the p4p facilities here in Houston, TX. I started doing research on the availability of those things. My research invariably led to me discovering ISG and thence, to the FKK forums. Doing my research, I got into this forum 'General Info'. And noted the post of Angus and Johnny Z a short time back. This leads me to share some information about things I've discovered as alternatives to the prescription 'enhancers' that the drug companies are so avid about promoting.
A short bit of history to add some 'color' to who I am and the experience I've had in this area. About 10 years ago, when I was 51, my wife (now ex) mentioned to me that the rigidity that she had been so pleased about with me. Was not so significant anymore. Being an engineer, I did my research and ended up with a prescription for 'V' (aka Blue Thunder) and things were much better.
Alas, as Angus noted. There are some side effects with 'V', notably the headache and different sensations. The headache is much more pronounced when one imbibes alcoholic beverages. Well, dangit. If I'm out and looking, I tend to have a beer or two. So, while 'V' is fine. The side effects, not to mention overall cost is somewhat unattractive!
So, over the past 10 years, there's been some 'V' in my medicine cabinet. About 3 years ago, I was talking with a friend of mine about the lethargy and tiredness that seemed to becoming a chronic condition for me. The friend, Randy, is very much into natural supplements. Randy mentioned that perhaps I should look into an herb called Tongkat Ali. As Randy explained it to me. As we age, our bodies produce less and less free testosterone. Tongkat Ali stimulates the body to produce more of the substances the body requires to produce testosterone. Such that you can't OD on it. If you take too much, the body eliminates it. I figured it was worth a shot (try). So, I got some in a product called LJ100. I can't speak to how it will perform for others, however, for myself. I now would not be without it. My energy level, overall stamina (not speaking in a bedroom sense), and general feelings of well being are more like when I was in my 30s/40s. Chuckle, I'm also reminded of a song I heard where the singer was talking to a portion of his body and lamenting "You used to watch me when I shaved! ". I resembled that remark. Now, at 61. Sometimes when I wake in the morning. He's standing at attention.
Another substance that Randy mentioned was that 'V' and the other products. Assist in 'micro' circulation. We were talking about the pharmaceutical companies. And that long ago, the FDA had one of the companies do a study on a tree bark product called Yohimbe which was being touted as a 'ED' remedy. The study was performed and the result stated was that the Yohimbe produced no notieable improvement. Note: about 6 months later, the company that ran the study released a product for 'ED'. And it contained Yohimbine (the refined product of the Yohimbe bark).
I searched Amazon for Yohimbe. And started laughing. My son, who was living with me at the time. On summer break from college. Asked "What's so funny? ". I showed him that when I did a search for Yohimbe on Amazon, one of the first products that showed up was called 'Extenz'. Which I had seen advertised on the TV (for 'ED').
I've been using these supplements for a couple of years now. With very *acceptable* results. No headache or side effects that I've noticed EXCEPT. When working with my younger coworkers, they have commented that they wonder how an 'old man' of 60+ has the stamina to work longer hours and be more productive than they can. As I stated, I now feel more like I did when I was in my 30s/40s.
So, for those who might prefer to find alternatives to the 'V', 'C', etc. I would suggest you might give Tongkat Ali and Yohimbine an experimental try.
All the Best!. And happy *punting*,
Carl
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I recently switched from Viagra to Cialis, and have noticed the longer action on last weeks visits. Being in my sixties, I am able to come several times now and as a matter of fact, I took Cialis on Tuesday morning, spent that day at Oase and the next day at Bernd's and was able to spend exciting times with 7 beautiful women; I will report about that in other forums. Ialso have less side effects with Cialis such as headaches and dry nose. I do need my time in between sessions to recover, but that gives a great chance to visit and enjoy the company of the ladies.
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Cialis effect
It is time for me to contribute to this forum, as it has helped me tremendously with my mongering in Germany.
I recently switched from Viagra to Cialis, as I experience less side effects (headache, dryness of nose) with Cialis, and due to its prolonged effect.
I have now been to FKK's 4 times (will report about that in the proper threads), and would not be able to accomplish what I like to do without the PE. Being in my early sixties and coming four times one day in a twelve hour period, and three more times the next day with only one pill is really amazing, and very satisfying!
Cooper69
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Duzen!
[QUOTE=Dedalus]Hey Cam,
Forgive me for giggling a little when I read your post. And I promise that I am not laughing at you. Truth is, I actually remember that I "sieszt" my first few p4p gals in Deutschland. Actually had one give me a lecture that formalities could be dropped if two people were gonna be naked and screwing.
"Dutz" girls in the clubs. In fact, "dutz" Gents in the clubs as well. Even in heuty-teuty places like Berlin (where one can still find that old Prussian formality) and Munich. You're absolutely OK doing this. In fact you will avoid the possible perception that you are a nervous newbie.
"Wollen sie mine cock suck?" More than likely the gals are use to hearing "less polite" commands and requests. In the Oase Kino once I heard a dude tell Michelle while she had her hinder in his face and her head in his lap, "Ohhhh ja! Saugen, du Drecksau!"
Cheers,
Dedalus[/QUOTE]
I agree!
Its the same thing in French, by the way. You come across as uptight and standoffish if you can't come to terms with informality. You don't want to come across as a dweeb.
You don't want to be saying "Ficken Sie mich!" when "Fick mich!" rolls off the tongue so much easier. (Second person, singular, formal versus second person, singular, informal, verb in the imperative form, direct object "mich" declined in the Akkusativ).
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(?) FKK 69 in Boseck near Giessen IHessen)
Gentlemen,
Can anybody share any information about this club? It i8s not far away from World. Search over ISG haven't shoved any results.
Thanks for responce
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I can't stop that feeling
AAaahhh that great feeling of knowing I'm about to spend of couple of days FKK'ing.
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Yohimbe
[QUOTE=Carl R]Another substance that Randy mentioned was that 'V' and the other products. Assist in 'micro' circulation. We were talking about the pharmaceutical companies. And that long ago, the FDA had one of the companies do a study on a tree bark product called Yohimbe which was being touted as a 'ED' remedy. The study was performed and the result stated was that the Yohimbe produced no notieable improvement. Note: about 6 months later, the company that ran the study released a product for 'ED'. And it contained Yohimbine (the refined product of the Yohimbe bark).
I searched Amazon for Yohimbe. And started laughing. My son, who was living with me at the time. On summer break from college. Asked "What's so funny? ". I showed him that when I did a search for Yohimbe on Amazon, one of the first products that showed up was called 'Extenz'. Which I had seen advertised on the TV (for 'ED').
I've been using these supplements for a couple of years now. With very *acceptable* results. No headache or side effects that I've noticed EXCEPT. When working with my younger coworkers, they have commented that they wonder how an 'old man' of 60+ has the stamina to work longer hours and be more productive than they can. As I stated, I now feel more like I did when I was in my 30s/40s.
So, for those who might prefer to find alternatives to the 'V', 'C', etc. I would suggest you might give Tongkat Ali and Yohimbine an experimental try.
All the Best!. And happy *punting*,
Carl[/QUOTE]
Someone suggested Yohimbe to me once on another forum. So I go to a local supplements chain store and find it on sale.
I take one pill and it was one of the worst experiences I've ever had.
I tossed and turned that evening. I had weird sensations: an irregular heartbeat, a throbbing headache. It was like overdosing on caffeine.
I took it alone by myself as an experiment and there was absolutely no desired effect.
So if anyone wants to buy a hundred pills of the stuff, let me know. I still have them and won't touch it again.
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[QUOTE=Jackyo]I take one pill and it was one of the worst experiences I've ever had.
I tossed and turned that evening. I had weird sensations: an irregular heartbeat, a throbbing headache.
So if anyone wants to buy a hundred pills of the stuff, let me know. I still have them and won't touch it again.[/QUOTE]LOL. Try inserting it into your mouth next time, Jackyo?
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That might explain it!
[QUOTE=Toscana]LOL. Try inserting it into your mouth next time, Jackyo?[/QUOTE]
Ha! Wrong orifice! :)
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Jackyo: I understand your issue
Hello Jackyo,
I understand what you mean about Yohimbe. Though, I use the Yohimbine (Yohimbe extract). The first time I got some was the day before I had a young lady here in Houston come visit my home for 2 hours.
I had this new stuff. So, I figured that, if one is good. Then, two MUST be better. Mistake. While I did not have any irregular heartbeat. I did seem quite agitated/lots of nervous energy and my mini-me was quite sensitive, especially in the tip area.
So, further experimentation taught me that I can handle 2 capsules a day (I'm 5'11" about 185 lb), taken with food. One in the morning and one in the evening. Tonight, I went and looked at the label on my bottle and I noted that the directions suggested taking a 'half-dose' initially to test for effectivity and tolerance level.
I'm just saying that I understand that you might have been less than overjoyed with the result. (understatment) Though, you mentioning an irregular heartbeat would cause me great concern. If it were me that had experienced an irregular heartbeat. I would get that checked out as I haven't noted that as a side effect in anything I've read.
I can understand your aversion. Somewhat like my experience with drinking too much in the past. In fact, my experience there was memorialized in a song by an artist named Roy Head. The title was something like "The Cowboy's Lament". The pertinent lines were:
Waking up the very next morning. Thinking OH NO! , WHAT did I do? Hanging my head. As I slipped from her bed Trying hard not to leave any clues!
All the Best! , Carl R
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Club with asian girls
Hi Guys,
Can anyone tell me which club around Düsseldorf has a decent amount of Asian (oriental - i.e. Japanese, Thai, etc.) girls? I know PHG used to have a couple Thai girls back in the days, but don’t know what the situation is nowadays.
Any/ideas comments would be appreciated.
thanks all!
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[QUOTE=Maciorus]Hi Guys,
Can anyone tell me which club around Düsseldorf has a decent amount of Asian (oriental - i.e. Japanese, Thai, etc.) girls? I know PHG used to have a couple Thai girls back in the days, but don’t know what the situation is nowadays.
Any/ideas comments would be appreciated.
thanks all![/QUOTE]
There used to be a club in Dusseldorf called Pegasus, which was a kind of price fixed Thai girl party treff. I don't know if they still run, but its worth an internet check.
Also, though not directly in Dusseldorf but in Bochum, the FKK F39, as reported by Radler on that thread recently, has a few high performing asian girls, Chinese, Thai and Indonesian, if memory serves. Worth reading his excellent reports filed at the start of this month.
Ortos
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Pegasus
[QUOTE=Ortos]There used to be a club in Dusseldorf called Pegasus, which was a kind of price fixed Thai girl party treff. I don't know if they still run, but its worth an internet check.
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...moved to Bonn and has since closed.
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[QUOTE=Maciorus]Hi Guys,
Can anyone tell me which club around Düsseldorf has a decent amount of Asian (oriental - i.e. Japanese, Thai, etc.) girls? I know PHG used to have a couple Thai girls back in the days, but don’t know what the situation is nowadays.
Any/ideas comments would be appreciated.
thanks all![/QUOTE]
I know GT had a few Thai chicks & 1 Korean last year.
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[QUOTE=Ortos]There used to be a club in Dusseldorf called Pegasus, which was a kind of price fixed Thai girl party treff. I don't know if they still run, but its worth an internet check.[/quote][url]http://www.parksauna.info/index.html[/url] this club in Wildenrath is now called Pegasus. There aren't any thaigirls.
[quote]Also, though not directly in Dusseldorf but in Bochum, the FKK F39, as reported by Radler on that thread recently, has a few high performing asian girls, Chinese, Thai and Indonesian, if memory serves. Worth reading his excellent reports filed at the start of this month.
Ortos[/QUOTE]Freude39 : Noi/Nuy, Putri,
Living Room : Joy , Pon
Golden Time : MayLin, Nadine, Lin, Sofia, Kim, Be, Summer
PHG : Emy
Villa Vertigo : WanLi
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[QUOTE=Willem2]Freude39 : Noi/Nuy, Putri,
Living Room : Joy , Pon
Golden Time : MayLin, Nadine, Lin, Sofia, Kim, Be, Summer
PHG : Emy
Villa Vertigo : WanLi[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Vito Corleone]I know GT had a few Thai chicks & 1 Korean last year. [/QUOTE]
Right ... Seems like I need to read up on th GT thread ;)
Thanks for the quick response and info guys.
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[QUOTE=Willem2][url]http://www.parksauna.info/index.html[/url] this club in Wildenrath is now called Pegasus. There aren't any thaigirls.
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I was referring to a club that used to operate in Dusseldorf, not Wilderath. The club you mention, Parksauna, has been around for many, many years. It was once a grand place to visit. They went into decline and are trying to resurrect themselves. If they have now changed their name to Pegasus, good luck! It certainly bears no relation to what I was referring to, a club in Dusseldorf itself with a team of onlyThai girls, that was more of a Party Treff than an FKK like Wilderath.
Btw: Iseeu has reported below that the Pegasus I was referring to is now closed.
Case closed.
Ortos
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Villa Vertigo
[QUOTE=Ortos]I was referring to a club that used to operate in Dusseldorf, not Wilderath. The club you mention, Parksauna, has been around for many, many years. It was once a grand place to visit. They went into decline and are trying to resurrect themselves. If they have now changed their name to Pegasus, good luck! It certainly bears no relation to what I was referring to, a club in Dusseldorf itself with a team of onlyThai girls, that was more of a Party Treff than an FKK like Wilderath.
Btw: Iseeu has reported below that the Pegasus I was referring to is now closed.
Case closed.
Ortos[/QUOTE]
According to a previous post by Peter, the dude who used to run Parksauna Wildenrath is also involved in Villa Vertigo (or at least behind the scenes).
I agree: the former Parksauna was a great place to hangout once upon a time. There was a nice edited selection and it was laid back.
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partytreff Kerpen
For those interested in partytreffs there's a relatively new one that gets rave reviews on the German Rheinforum. Partytreff Pole Position in Kerpen, the home of one Michael Schumacher (the town not the partytreff). it has porno stars as special gang bang guests and by and large appears to be the sort of splash and dash place you would linger in for refueling and a rubber change or two.
here's the WWW link -pauschalclub-poleposition.de
Drivers of a certain red Italian brand get free entry. You must arrive in the real thing, not bring a photo.
you pay Euro 100 for three hours or Euro 149 for a day long pit stop. Bang for buck I imagine pretty much anything goes as this is on the high side for partytreffs. It looks worth a trip so I suppose I will have to get the F40 out of the garage and force myself to canter up there.
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Unfortunately, all I can afford..
[QUOTE=Marlow]Drivers of a certain red Italian brand get free entry. You must arrive in the real thing, not bring a photo.[/QUOTE]
.. is the T-shirt.
This club is a sister club to PT Dorsten and PT Traumland in Muenster, by the way.
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valet parking
@Jackyo - no you have this the wrong way around. No Ferarri no deal, all you get is a T-shirt saying ''I went to Kerpen and got pole positioned''..no need to bring T-shirt to party.
Ferarri owners get valet parking, or should in my book
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A Blick into two Puffs
This is from Stern Magazin.
[url]http://www.stern.de/video/?vid=646276[/url]
The first club, I've been told, is Paradies in Leinfelden/Echterdingen which is where the Stuttgart airport is.
Very over the top Turkish decor, [i]oder[/i]?
The second one is in Grefrath I've been told is Villa Vertigo. ([i]Ich bin noch nicht da gewesen[/i].)
Does anyone know this chick, Heidi?
[i]Uebrigens[/i], she very clearly at the end describes how the revenue system works.
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suffering from Vertigo
And beware the full moon! The sex wolves are on the prowl. (sent via my Blackberry on the way to Vertigo to do terrible things with Heidi)
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[QUOTE=Jackyo]This is from Stern Magazin.
[url]http://www.stern.de/video/?vid=646276[/url]
The first club, I've been told, is Paradies in Leinfelden/Echterdingen which is where the Stuttgart airport is.
Very over the top Turkish decor, [i]oder[/i]?
The second one is in Grefrath I've been told is Villa Vertigo. ([i]Ich bin noch nicht da gewesen[/i].)
Does anyone know this chick, Heidi?
[i]Uebrigens[/i], she very clearly at the end describes how the revenue system works.[/QUOTE]
Watched the clip; very interesting. Thanks for sharing. Nothing really new, though, for the experienced punter. Of course they never covered why the guys are all doing "wellness". The reason is that you just have to find something to do between sessions. And the "full moon" bit? Hilarious. Probably there was a Mess going on ...
Barbershop inside VV? Cool! The only other time that I have ever seen that is at 4x4 in Rio. But there only the girls get their hair done. They have two chairs, and there is always so much demand that the girls have to make appointments. How is that for a dream job: hair-styling for almost-naked hookers? Is that a curling iron you have in your pants, or are you just happy to see me?
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[QUOTE=Euro100]Barbershop inside VV? Cool! The only other time that I have ever seen that is at 4x4 in Rio. But there only the girls get their hair done.[/QUOTE]A bit off topic, for which apologies. But I know of a place in Belgium where you can have a haircut and then fuck the hairdresser afterwards. Well, I assume it's afterwards. Wouldn't want to have her getting too excited with the scissors still out.
[url]http://users.skynet.be/fa281060/web%20rachel/nouveaute.htm[/url]
Apparently she's very good, and I was thinking of chancing my arm, but I'm pretty sensitive about my hair you know :-) :-)
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[QUOTE=Euro100]
Barbershop inside VV? Cool! The only other time that I have ever seen that is at 4x4 in Rio. But there only the girls get their hair done. [/QUOTE]
Also off topic, but Termas Aeroporto has a barbershop for guys. (I didn’t partake, but they did advertise "manicure, pedicure and coiffeur" on their website.)
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[QUOTE=Jackyo]This is from Stern Magazin.
[url]http://www.stern.de/video/?vid=646276[/url]
The first club, I've been told, is Paradies in Leinfelden/Echterdingen which is where the Stuttgart airport is.
Very over the top Turkish decor, [i]oder[/i]?
The second one is in Grefrath I've been told is Villa Vertigo. ([i]Ich bin noch nicht da gewesen[/i].)
Does anyone know this chick, Heidi?
[i]Uebrigens[/i], she very clearly at the end describes how the revenue system works.[/QUOTE]
Hey Jackyo,
Thanks for posting this. Don't check out the Stern site that often. I would have certainly missed it.
Yep, that's Paradise alright. It's actually a really nice club. Any similarities to the interiors of Palace and Artemis are not accidental. I was there quite often in October and the line-ups were darn good I must say. Plus, the food buffet is easily the best of any of the German clubs that I know of.
Actually I have a feeling that Paradise may be the place to be come spring.
On my few visits to villa, all those amenities were not available. No Friseur, no Masseur, none of that stuff. Just dudes taking pictures. (We've been through that already.)
I'm not quite sure that the villa people "get it." All the wellness stuff is fine, but it won't make up for sub-standard line-ups. Not saying that the place has a bad line-up (bin auch eine Weile nicht da gewesen) but in the last few months I have run into a number of ex-villa girls working at Paradise, Oase, GT and World. I heard a story or two that I can't repeat, but as we use to say back home, "Something ain't clean in the milk."
Right now, even though Paradise's interior may be more "kitschig" than villa, I am betting that Paradise has an easier time of it in the future.
Cheers,
Dedalus
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Does she also give you a shave..
[QUOTE=Toscana]A bit off topic, for which apologies. But I know of a place in Belgium where you can have a haircut and then fuck the hairdresser afterwards. Well, I assume it's afterwards. Wouldn't want to have her getting too excited with the scissors still out.
[url]http://users.skynet.be/fa281060/web%20rachel/nouveaute.htm[/url]
Apparently she's very good, and I was thinking of chancing my arm, but I'm pretty sensitive about my hair you know :-) :-)[/QUOTE]
.. down there?
Or would she be amenable to mutual grooming? ;)
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For those flying into Germany on Continental from the USA
Looks like Continental is offering double airmiles on one leg of a flight from frankfurt, hamburg or berlin from 15 Jan and 31 Mar 2009. If im reading this right, you'll get an extra 5k airmiles.
[url]http://www.continental.com/web/en-US/apps/onepass/promotions/registrationDetails.aspx?promoCode=TB6M30[/url]
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City recommendation for next weekend
I was planning a mongering trip to Thailand, but there is a coup in the works there, with airports shut down. What a bummer. Well, sometimes you can take a lemon and make lemonade. So I'm now considering moving forward my spring trip that I was planning to check out the fkk's.
My question is how is the activity level in the fkk's this time of the year? I will be taking a 1-week trip from the US, is there enough going on to support a week worth of pussy hunting? Considering that the sole purpose of my trip is mongering, which city / cities would you recommend? Is weather a factor big enough to be prohibitive or to dictate the choice of cities?
I am a very experienced monger / traveler, but have been to germany and an fkk only once. One of the things I want to try, which is unique to Germany, is some sort of orgy action (I think I remember hearing about all-you-can-fuck orgy days at some fkk's or swinger clubs), but this is somewhat of a secondary wish (primary being just good, straight mongering with 1 or 2 girls at a time). Another added benefit would be a city, which has cultural, architectural, historical and culinary delights to be enjoyed.
Thanks a lot in advance for your input. And as usual, I promise to post any unique experiences.
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[QUOTE=Jayf1970]I was planning a mongering trip to Thailand, but there is a coup in the works there, with airports shut down. What a bummer. Well, sometimes you can take a lemon and make lemonade. So I'm now considering moving forward my spring trip that I was planning to check out the fkk's.
My question is how is the activity level in the fkk's this time of the year? I will be taking a 1-week trip from the US, is there enough going on to support a week worth of pussy hunting? Considering that the sole purpose of my trip is mongering, which city / cities would you recommend? Is weather a factor big enough to be prohibitive or to dictate the choice of cities?
I am a very experienced monger / traveler, but have been to germany and an fkk only once. One of the things I want to try, which is unique to Germany, is some sort of orgy action (I think I remember hearing about all-you-can-fuck orgy days at some fkk's or swinger clubs), but this is somewhat of a secondary wish (primary being just good, straight mongering with 1 or 2 girls at a time). Another added benefit would be a city, which has cultural, architectural, historical and culinary delights to be enjoyed.
Thanks a lot in advance for your input. And as usual, I promise to post any unique experiences.[/QUOTE]I would say Berlin is a great city to visit regardless of the FKK Artemis. Berlin has tons of bars and clubs, lots of museums and other cultural sites, and is the center for up and coming artisits of all sorts. Artemis is a decent FKK though I don't have any thing to compare it to (hopefully that will change soon). :)
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Jayf1970
Your questions are quite a pot-pourri.
If you have some German, the answer is definitely Berlin for me. You have one of the most interesting places in Europe and a great transport system to get around. That includes Potsdam. I try to get there at least twice a year. Apart from FKK Artemis there is a whole host of appetising brothels, and some cheap escort services, but you may need at least basic German to tackle them. There is a great array of info on the Germany, Berlin thread. Artemis is a backstop, where you need no German, and is good for a couple of nights for certain.
If you want good mongering, and have little or no German, think seriously of Frankfurt. The Big Three are well covered on the forum. You could be happy there, and at other FKKs nearby, for a month, let alone a week. And the city has its attractions too, but not for a whole week.
Orgies and swinger clubs are a special topic where you'll probably have to research further yourself. German here too more or less essential to feel comfortable. I can't help there, I am afraid. There is a good Partytreff section on this forum.
Be sure to report your experiences. Good luck.
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I'm leaning towards Frankfurt
Thanks for the input, gentlemen. My german skills are limited (read: nonexistent), so I'm leaning towards FRA. Besides, there's always room for side trips to other cities, since I will be there for a little more than a week. This is my first real trip to germany and would appreciate if you could provide me with some more help:
- any hotel recommendations in FRA? I don't want to stay at a Motel 6, but don't need a Ritz either. Just a nice, clean hotel with broadband internet and a gym, and close to the FKK(s). I don't necessarily need to stay in the city center area, which should help in getting good hotel rates, I think.
- I got the impression from reading the forum that renting a car (with GPS) is probably the best idea. Is this correct? I drive in the U.S., but have never driven in europe; hope thats not a problem.
- which are the big 3 frankfurt FKK's you refer to? I found Palace and FKK 35 on the forum, but couldn't find the third one listed under frankfurt.
Sorry for the list of basic questions. I usually do a lot of research before mongering trips, but I'm scrambling to throw together this trip at the last minute as my Bangkok trip has to be cancelled due to the political problems there and I'm moving to the 2nd destination on my list - the FKK's.
Thanks in advance and promise to post any unique experiences.
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Germany - the monger's paradise
[QUOTE=Jayf1970]I was planning a mongering trip to Thailand, but there is a coup in the works there, with airports shut down. What a bummer. Well, sometimes you can take a lemon and make lemonade. So I'm now considering moving forward my spring trip that I was planning to check out the fkk's.
My question is how is the activity level in the fkk's this time of the year? I will be taking a 1-week trip from the US, is there enough going on to support a week worth of pussy hunting? Considering that the sole purpose of my trip is mongering, which city / cities would you recommend? Is weather a factor big enough to be prohibitive or to dictate the choice of cities?
I am a very experienced monger / traveler, but have been to germany and an fkk only once. One of the things I want to try, which is unique to Germany, is some sort of orgy action (I think I remember hearing about all-you-can-fuck orgy days at some fkk's or swinger clubs), but this is somewhat of a secondary wish (primary being just good, straight mongering with 1 or 2 girls at a time). Another added benefit would be a city, which has cultural, architectural, historical and culinary delights to be enjoyed.
Thanks a lot in advance for your input. And as usual, I promise to post any unique experiences.[/QUOTE]
If I had a week in Germany, I would do the following:
1. Rent a car. Driving in Germany with 200 is also a nice feeling!
2. Visit Frankfurt FKKs Oase , Palace , World
3. Read the Party treff forum and decide which PT you want to visit. I only visited 1 PT (Dolce Vita) and it was a very special experience. Experience gruppen sex! You will never forget it!
There are many PT throughout Germany. Somewhere in the forum, there is a very nice map with the exact locations of all PTs and FKKs. You can choose your way of travelling by car and stopping to different PT. On the way you can enjoy German culture in different cities. Bonn, Cologne are nice cities with nice sights and culture.
That is of course what I would do! You have some sweet decisions to make my friend. Good luck and have fun!
Ek
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A different point of view
[quote=ericklein]if i had a week in germany, i would do the following:
1. rent a car. driving in germany with 200 is also a nice feeling!
2. visit frankfurt fkks oase , palace , world
3. read the party treff forum and decide which pt you want to visit. i only visited 1 pt (dolce vita) and it was a very special experience. experience gruppen sex! you will never forget it!
there are many pt throughout germany. somewhere in the forum, there is a very nice map with the exact locations of all pts and fkks. you can choose your way of travelling by car and stopping to different pt. on the way you can enjoy german culture in different cities. bonn, cologne are nice cities with nice sights and culture.
that is of course what i would do! you have some sweet decisions to make my friend. good luck and have fun!
ek[/quote]
1) you don't really need a car. you can get around by public transport and cab quite well particularly if you are only visiting the hessen 3.
and contrary to what folks think, the autobahn isn't all tempolimitfrei. there are stretches which don't have a tempolimit but on others you will need to watch your speed. top speed is 240 kph. they have speed limiters installed on those porsches which pass you in the left lane otherwise they'd do 320 kph very easily.
rule number one: that lane belongs to the porsches. get you ass over to the right side unless you are passing and then move over quickly.
driving at that speed, by the way, is stressful. it gives you an adrenaline rush but its stressful.
2) visit the hessen 3 and stay in the hessen 3.
3) pt dolce vita doesn't really provide gruppensex. you can't go from one chick to the next one at pt dolce vita. they will make you stand up and take a shower before you switch partners. i've only experienced true gruppensex at pt mettmann. its like swimming in a sea of bodies. you can switch from one orifice to the other seamlessly.
pts are not really available throughout germany. they are concentrated in nrw and parts of niedersachsen. those found elsewhere are not to the same standards (in baden-wuerttemberg, z. b.).
we have yet to read of someone visiting a pt in hessen and saying it was worth their while.
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In answer to your questions
[QUOTE=Jayf1970]Thanks for the input, gentlemen. My german skills are limited (read: nonexistent), so I'm leaning towards FRA. Besides, there's always room for side trips to other cities, since I will be there for a little more than a week. This is my first real trip to germany and would appreciate if you could provide me with some more help:
- any hotel recommendations in FRA? I don't want to stay at a Motel 6, but don't need a Ritz either. Just a nice, clean hotel with broadband internet and a gym, and close to the FKK(s). I don't necessarily need to stay in the city center area, which should help in getting good hotel rates, I think.
- I got the impression from reading the forum that renting a car (with GPS) is probably the best idea. Is this correct? I drive in the U.S., but have never driven in europe; hope thats not a problem.
- which are the big 3 frankfurt FKK's you refer to? I found Palace and FKK 35 on the forum, but couldn't find the third one listed under frankfurt.
Sorry for the list of basic questions. I usually do a lot of research before mongering trips, but I'm scrambling to throw together this trip at the last minute as my Bangkok trip has to be cancelled due to the political problems there and I'm moving to the 2nd destination on my list - the FKK's.
Thanks in advance and promise to post any unique experiences.[/QUOTE]
1) Do a search of this forum for the closest hotel to Palace which is either the Mercure or Flemings. Book yourself there. Then do a search for hotels in Bad Homburg. There is Pension Wall which is down the road from Oase but the next big concentration of hotels is in Bad Homburg if you are visiting Oase. I personally stay at the Hotel Daheim. Its off the main [i]Fussgaengerzone[/i] in Bad Homburg. (That is Bad [b]Homburg[/b] by the way, not Bad [b]Hamburg[/b]. The name of the town is officially [b]Bad Homburg vor der Hoehe[/b] or simply Bad Homburg v. d. H.) Its a tourist destination with spas based on the mineral water and a large casino. Then find the address to Zum Gruenen Baum in Pohlheim-Garbenteich. This is within walking distance of World.
2) You won't need a car, just patience in trying to figure out transport schedules and fares. A cab will then take you the rest of the way.
3) Oase, Palace, World.
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[quote=jackyo]1) you don't really need a car. you can get around by public transport and cab quite well particularly if you are only visiting the hessen 3.
and contrary to what folks think, the autobahn isn't all tempolimitfrei. there are stretches which don't have a tempolimit but on others you will need to watch your speed. top speed is 240 kph. they have speed limiters installed on those porsches which pass you in the left lane otherwise they'd do 320 kph very easily.
rule number one: that lane belongs to the porsches. get you ass over to the right side unless you are passing and then move over quickly.
driving at that speed, by the way, is stressful. it gives you an adrenaline rush but its stressful.
2) visit the hessen 3 and stay in the hessen 3.
3) pt dolce vita doesn't really provide gruppensex. you can't go from one chick to the next one at pt dolce vita. they will make you stand up and take a shower before you switch partners. i've only experienced true gruppensex at pt mettmann. its like swimming in a sea of bodies. you can switch from one orifice to the other seamlessly.
pts are not really available throughout germany. they are concentrated in nrw and parts of niedersachsen. those found elsewhere are not to the same standards (in baden-wuerttemberg, z. b.).
we have yet to read of someone visiting a pt in hessen and saying it was worth their while.[/quote]
personally i like driving and i hate moving with luggage here and there in a taxi. i book a nice hotel and move by car.
but of course it's really a personal opinion, because some people opposite to what i like, they don't like driving and don't mind moving with luggage very often.
i am wrong about the location of pt clubs then... i had just seen a map once and i was impressed with the amount of mongering places in germany. i didn't check one by one (i don't mean being there, but not even on the map :d) the places, but i thought most of them were pt clubs.
i only had one and single experience in dolce vita pt (which is considered to be one of the best), but i do prefer the fkks. i like to have a large variety of girls, like they have in the top three in frankfurt area.
on the other hand, the experience that jackyo is describing in pt mettman sounds very interesting :d
i have to put that in my schedule!!!
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Events with Pornostars
[QUOTE=Jayf1970]Thanks for the input, gentlemen. My german skills are limited (read: nonexistent), so I'm leaning towards FRA. Besides, there's always room for side trips to other cities, since I will be there for a little more than a week. This is my first real trip to germany and would appreciate if you could provide me with some more help:
- any hotel recommendations in FRA? I don't want to stay at a Motel 6, but don't need a Ritz either. Just a nice, clean hotel with broadband internet and a gym, and close to the FKK(s). I don't necessarily need to stay in the city center area, which should help in getting good hotel rates, I think.
- I got the impression from reading the forum that renting a car (with GPS) is probably the best idea. Is this correct? I drive in the U.S., but have never driven in europe; hope thats not a problem.
- which are the big 3 frankfurt FKK's you refer to? I found Palace and FKK 35 on the forum, but couldn't find the third one listed under frankfurt.
Sorry for the list of basic questions. I usually do a lot of research before mongering trips, but I'm scrambling to throw together this trip at the last minute as my Bangkok trip has to be cancelled due to the political problems there and I'm moving to the 2nd destination on my list - the FKK's.
Thanks in advance and promise to post any unique experiences.[/QUOTE]
By the way, there are clubs offering events with pornostar guests. Maybe one of the fellow mongers that knows someting good coming up could inform you about it. I would really like to participate in such an event once in my "carreer"
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The PT Mettman disclaimer
[QUOTE=Ericklein]On the other hand, the experience that Jackyo is describing in PT Mettman sounds very interesting :D
I have to put that in my schedule!!![/QUOTE]
Hey,
Yes, get PT Mettmann on your schedule but.. do read carefully the posts so you know what to expect. There are guys who are addicted to PT Mettmann and then there are guys who visit and are disappointed.
One thing for sure: you won't be indifferent about it.
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(S)exploring Bavaria…
(s)exploring bavaria.
having moved 'back home' to munich a few months ago (after 15 years away), i thought i'd post some comments on the scene here.
munich is a wonderful city with lots of interesting people, cultural events and beautiful countryside around it but – as readers familiar with germany know – it is not ideal for p4p.
bavaria has stricter laws than other german länder (states). all of munich's center is inside the 'sperrbezirk' (restricted zone), that is, no prostitution is allowed inside the zone. there are actually 27 such zones in munich overall – i looked up the law on the web – and they cover pretty much every part of town.
clubs around central station advertise lap-dances etc. but no p4p. it may be possible to make private arrangements with the dancers, but be advised that you'd be on shaky ground legally. anyway, these clubs in town are expensive (people tell me 15-20 € per drink) and whether the shows are good or not – i can't say as i've never been there. not my thing.
btw, there is a famous song about this topic by a group called 'spider murphy gang' (a bavarian hard-rock band in the 80s). they have two hits that are evergreens in germany, one of which is 'skandal i'm sperrbezirk' (scandal in the zone), dealing with a cathouse inside the zone. the other song is 'schickeria', a parody of the 'rich & beautiful people'.
back to topic. apartments
there are several websites – check out [url]http://nightlife-munich. de/erotic. htm[/url], with about 10 sites. best are [url]www.rotelaterne. de/frontend/[/url] and [url]www.bavarialadies. de/[/url]. many ladies advertise there, but they're all in apartments.
i did check out some of these places – the good thing is that they have pictures on the doors to help you decide before you ring. the first two places i went to, they asked 100 € for 30 min, 200 € for the hour. i politely declined and left. the third place was at machtlingerstrasse 12 (south-west of town, next to subway-station 'machtlfinger str. '), the girl asked me 'how much do you have? ', i was surprised, mumbled something about 50 €, she said, ok 20 minutes. half hour would be 70 €. in the end i didn't go with her, but these were more reasonable rates. as i ended up doing nothing in any of these places i can't tell you about service. but i seriously doubt it is up to club-standard. overall the atmosphere in these places is little better than in 'laufhaus', so this scene is not for me.
clubs
some clubs in munich such as südfaß oase ([url]www.fkkmuenchen. de[/url]), fkk relax ([url]www.fkk-relax. de/[/url]) and fkk palazzo ([url]www.fkk-palazzo. de/[/url]). i haven't been to any of them, so cannot give any information. entry is 60 €, with 60-70 € per half hour. a good alternative is colosseum in augsburg (60km away, [url]www.colosseum-augsburg. de/[/url]). not as good the frankfurt big three or golden triangle near düsseldorf, but ok. i have been there once about a year ago and it was good. not great, but good.
i did however check out a new club last month.
location
it's called hawaii ([url]www.fkk-hawaii. de/[/url]) and it's located close to the highway at ingolstadt. about 80 km north of munich, ingolstadt is halfway between munich and nürnberg, it has lots of oil refineries and of course audi (as part of volkswagen) is based there.
the club is easy to find – from munich take the a-9 highway, direction nürnberg/berlin. exit at 'ingolstadt süd (south)', then turn left, then the third street to the right. it's a new club, opened in october. located in industrial park (companies, gas stations, fast food etc.). parking lot in front of the club. open 2pm to 2am, friday & saturday until 4am.
facilities
you enter the building and find yourself in a reception area where after paying 65 € you are given your key, shoes (they ask for your size) and towel. you proceed to the locker/shower area. showers, bathrooms are very clean – the cleaning crew is busy all the time. unlike in some other clubs, the lockers are quite big, which is good for me as i often have a backpack or laptop with me that i don't like to leave in the car. the main area is a large club room, with small tables & sofas rep001tered around. a dance-pole in the middle and, not surprising, a hawaii theme with tropical tress etc. a long bar with bar stools in the back.
the place seems to have been a storage hall/hangar before, the kind that are used at trade fairs. the whirlpool is small but with very hot water. they have a garden too, but it was not in use. so facilities are nice, clean and practical.
food & drink
all non-alcoholic drinks free (as usual), but you can also get beer at 4 € a bottle. food was pretty good, not top notch, but better than most other clubs in germany i've been to. large selection – two kinds of pasta, two choices of meat, plus fish, vegetables, several salads, fruit, cheeses, dessert etc. extras dinner tables separated from the bar area by a curtain. large tv screen.
girls
about 20 girls around, but it was a slow night (in the middle of the week). i was told on weekends more customers and thus more girls. mostly eastern europeans plus some germans. lineup was ok. pricing is the standard 50€ for half an hour, 100 € for an hour.
session
one session. while eating dinner i spotted dark-skinned girl sitting at the far end of my table chatting with another guy. they are talking about. brasilj. very nice, i'd initially pegged her as carribean. anyway, later we chat, some small talk about her country, her city etc. she's not pushy at all, so that's a good sign. i tend to go with my instincts – if i don't 'connect' with a girl in the bar, i won't go with her. but with her everything was good, so off we went.
and in the room i was not disappointed – she was like a tiger (tigeress? ), but in the good sensej very nice session. left after one hour with a big smile on my face.
so the place is a decent substitute if frankfurt is too far away. not on same level i would say, but on par with colosseum in augsburg mentioned above.
suerte,
felipe
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Amsterdam wird aufgeraeumt!
A bit off topic but somewhat relevant:
[url]http://www.spiegel.de/reise/aktuell/0,1518,594848,00.html[/url]
[i]Fazit[/i]: City authorities have plans to reduce the number of mini-brothels and coffee shops in Amsterdam.
These displaced women will have to find work somewhere. Where might that be?
Will this mean more Dutch and tourists visiting the [i]Grenzgebietclubs[/i]?
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2008 Trip Summary
2008 Trip Summary
By the end of 2008 this is my summary of trips made and the split between Hessen, Berlin and Nord Rhein Westfalen (NRW) clubs:
I made a total of 28 separate trips to Germany split between the regions as:
Hessen - 17 Trips
NRW - 10 Trips
Berlin - 1 Trip
Total: 28 trips
I had to cancel 4 trips due to personal commitments (one time), I forgot my passport and did not have time to retrieve it (one time), or I did not get feel like going so I did not go (two times). All four trips missed were to NRW so if I did take them then I would have notched up 14 trips to NRW and 32 trips in total.
In total number of days the split by region is:
Hessen: 46 days of FKK
NRW: 28 days of Sauna clubs
Berlin: 4 days of FKK
Total: 78 days of FKKs and Sauna clubs
As a percentage of 2008 it seems I have spent 21% of my year in the various clubs being 78/366 days as 2008 is a leap year. This is one fifth of my time in 2008!!!
The four trips I missed would have added in another 8 more days making up to 86 days in total but these do not really count, but I did pay for the hotel, flights and car hire to make those trips work.
As the numbers reveal there is a preference for the Hessen FKKs over the NRW sauna clubs regardless that the pricing is more moderate in the NRW sauna clubs and I do like spending time with the lasses there. The tendency for Hessen FKKs is determined by the presence of more of my favourites in that area and particularly focussed on FKK Oase.
I write this as a sobering thought as to what is possible and perhaps moderation should be the order of the day. Then again I have enjoyed my time and wish it to continue further for many years to come.
In conclusion I need to plant a lot of trees in recompense for the massive carbon footprint that I have incurred.
Cheers,
Londonbasketcase
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Statistics...
[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase]2008 Trip Summary
By the end of 2008 this is my summary of trips made and the split between Hessen, Berlin and Nord Rhein Westfalen (NRW) clubs:
I made a total of 28 separate trips to Germany split between the regions as:
Hessen - 17 Trips
NRW - 10 Trips
Berlin - 1 Trip
Total: 28 trips
I had to cancel 4 trips due to personal commitments (one time), I forgot my passport and did not have time to retrieve it (one time), or I did not get feel like going so I did not go (two times). All four trips missed were to NRW so if I did take them then I would have notched up 14 trips to NRW and 32 trips in total.
In total number of days the split by region is:
Hessen: 46 days of FKK
NRW: 28 days of Sauna clubs
Berlin: 4 days of FKK
Total: 78 days of FKKs and Sauna clubs
As a percentage of 2008 it seems I have spent 21% of my year in the various clubs being 78/366 days as 2008 is a leap year. This is one fifth of my time in 2008!!!
The four trips I missed would have added in another 8 more days making up to 86 days in total but these do not really count, but I did pay for the hotel, flights and car hire to make those trips work.
As the numbers reveal there is a preference for the Hessen FKKs over the NRW sauna clubs regardless that the pricing is more moderate in the NRW sauna clubs and I do like spending time with the lasses there. The tendency for Hessen FKKs is determined by the presence of more of my favourites in that area and particularly focussed on FKK Oase.
I write this as a sobering thought as to what is possible and perhaps moderation should be the order of the day. Then again I have enjoyed my time and wish it to continue further for many years to come.
In conclusion I need to plant a lot of trees in recompense for the massive carbon footprint that I have incurred.
Cheers,
Londonbasketcase[/QUOTE]
Lbc, you forgot to include time dedicated to R&D, ie time spent reading and writing around here (and some other places, as well)...
I hear your plea - Oh Lord, make me moderate...only not just yet, of course ;-))
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NYimes article on economy and its affect on prostitution.
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/09/world/europe/09czechsex.html[/url]
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[QUOTE=] In Reno, Nev., the famed Mustang Ranch recently laid off 30 percent of its staff, citing a decline in high-spending clients.[/QUOTE]
Try explaining this to the unemployment office ;-)
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[QUOTE=Akibono]NYimes article on economy and its affect on prostitution.
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/09/world/europe/09czechsex.html[/url][/QUOTE]
There was a somewhat interesting thread on this topic on the Roemerforum. According to some of those guys, they have spoken with some FKK girls (the infamous Mia from World was one) and many are lamenting that male club traffic is noticeably down. Several male regulars who use to be club fixtures have been seldom or not at all seen since the financial crisis. Many that do visit are only opting for 50 EUR session.
My understanding from some girls is that tourist traffic is also off quite a bit. Not surprising really.
It is however interesting to read about the service standards (both opinions and experiences) in the Palace and GT threads. Makes one scratch one's head a bit.
More and more, guys are talking less about house prices and more about the FKK girls working "selbständig" (as self-employed) and how they can set the price that they want.
Technically this may be true, but there are many factors to consider. There is a house price that is usually (but not always) supported by the management. In this economic climate, I wonder about providers who so blatantly buck the standard prices without good reason.
All clubs are getting hard hit nowadays. I would think that in these times, the buyer with the cash is in a good position. Girls may complain about the 50 EUR sessions, but I doubt that they would walk away from them. At GT, I have a strong feeling that even those 100/60 girls would agree to 75/60 rather than sit around for hours waiting for the next customer.
One board contributor once called my observations "grassy knolly" when I reported about a conclusionary effort on the part of many Palace girls to set an internal service standard and price structure that would insure longer sessions and extras. In addition to this, "extra" extras would be sold such as kissing and GFE. Said board contributor ignored me when I mentioned that a number of Palace girls (current and former) told me this themselves.
I'm not for boycotting any place and I don't usually call for them. But I would suggest that club visitors be firm about sticking to the house prices. I have no problems with extended sessions and paying for legitimate extras. But I think that tipping and succumbing to paying for "extras" such as kissing, GFE, sex in the kino or any other open area, etc. is bad for the overall price structure and bad for service standards.
Cheers,
Dedalus
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[QUOTE=Dedalus]to paying for "extras" such as kissing, GFE, sex in the kino or any other open area, etc. is bad for the overall price structure and bad for service standards.[/QUOTE]
Just to keep the facts: The described practices are NO EXTRAS so there's NO PAYING for it.
HB
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[QUOTE=Dedalus]There was a somewhat interesting thread on this topic on the Roemerforum. According to some of those guys, they have spoken with some FKK girls (the infamous Mia from World was one) and many are lamenting that male club traffic is noticeably down. Several male regulars who use to be club fixtures have been seldom or not at all seen since the financial crisis.[/QUOTE]I am hearing this from more and more girls. And I'm gradually beginning to believe it is not just the traditional moaning (EVERY season is bad for wine producers .....). I know of several guys who have financed their poon at the clubs for years on the stock and property markets. They did not get out, and are well down this year, especially if they did it on credit ("auf Pump"). One guy told me it was even more expensive than divorce... and what was worse he still had his wife!
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These are amazing statistics, LBC!
[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase]2008 Trip Summary
By the end of 2008 this is my summary of trips made and the split between Hessen, Berlin and Nord Rhein Westfalen (NRW) clubs:
I made a total of 28 separate trips to Germany split between the regions as:
Hessen - 17 Trips
NRW - 10 Trips
Berlin - 1 Trip
Total: 28 trips
I had to cancel 4 trips due to personal commitments (one time), I forgot my passport and did not have time to retrieve it (one time), or I did not get feel like going so I did not go (two times). All four trips missed were to NRW so if I did take them then I would have notched up 14 trips to NRW and 32 trips in total.
In total number of days the split by region is:
Hessen: 46 days of FKK
NRW: 28 days of Sauna clubs
Berlin: 4 days of FKK
Total: 78 days of FKKs and Sauna clubs
As a percentage of 2008 it seems I have spent 21% of my year in the various clubs being 78/366 days as 2008 is a leap year. This is one fifth of my time in 2008!!!
The four trips I missed would have added in another 8 more days making up to 86 days in total but these do not really count, but I did pay for the hotel, flights and car hire to make those trips work.
As the numbers reveal there is a preference for the Hessen FKKs over the NRW sauna clubs regardless that the pricing is more moderate in the NRW sauna clubs and I do like spending time with the lasses there. The tendency for Hessen FKKs is determined by the presence of more of my favourites in that area and particularly focussed on FKK Oase.
I write this as a sobering thought as to what is possible and perhaps moderation should be the order of the day. Then again I have enjoyed my time and wish it to continue further for many years to come.
In conclusion I need to plant a lot of trees in recompense for the massive carbon footprint that I have incurred.
Cheers,
Londonbasketcase[/QUOTE]
There was a recent article in the Wall Street Journal about individuals who are keeping track of personal statistics for the year just past.
They are compiling statistics, drawing graphs, etc..
Its called something like "personal informatics".
You apparently belong to this group.
My statistics aren't anywhere near yours, unfortunately. Its a question of distance.
I do though thank my lucky stars I don't live anywhere near these clubs.
I'd be totally broke after arranging for direct funds transfers from my bank.
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[QUOTE=Dedalus]
All clubs are getting hard hit nowadays. I would think that in these times, the buyer with the cash is in a good position. Girls may complain about the 50 EUR sessions, but I doubt that they would walk away from them. At GT, I have a strong feeling that even those 100/60 girls would agree to 75/60 rather than sit around for hours waiting for the next customer.
One board contributor once called my observations "grassy knolly" when I reported about a conclusionary effort on the part of many Palace girls to set an internal service standard and price structure that would insure longer sessions and extras. In addition to this, "extra" extras would be sold such as kissing and GFE. Said board contributor ignored me when I mentioned that a number of Palace girls (current and former) told me this themselves.
Cheers,
Dedalus[/QUOTE]
Wassup Deda,
I was @ GT last Friday with 3 of my Capos & all the women we sessioned with were 75/60min. I made sure to ask ahead of time before heading to the room. GT was still busy, but not as crowded as I thought it would. Felt more like a busy Thursday night which was great for us as the there were very short/no wait for rooms.
Those women are still @ Palace. Hot women like Czech Gina can usually get away with it, but she was not as busy this trip compared to Feb, June & Aug. Mostly sitting around looking hot as hell. Even my ATF Denisa said "I am lucky because she has too many clients, she now charges new clients 100 euro for 20 minutes." I almost choked on my redbull laughing so hard.
Business must be really slow for the girls as some @ Oase offered 30 min for 30 euro. Tempting, but I would not want to session with them for free.
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[QUOTE=Vito Corleone]Wassup Deda,
I was @ GT last Friday with 3 of my Capos & all the women we sessioned with were 75/60min. I made sure to ask ahead of time before heading to the room. GT was still busy, but not as crowded as I thought it would. Felt more like a busy Thursday night which was great for us as the there were very short/no wait for rooms.
Those women are still @ Palace. Hot women like Czech Gina can usually get away with it, but she was not as busy this trip compared to Feb, June & Aug. Mostly sitting around looking hot as hell. Even my ATF Denisa said "I am lucky because she has too many clients, she now charges new clients 100 euro for 20 minutes." I almost choked on my redbull laughing so hard.
Business must be really slow for the girls as some @ Oase offered 30 min for 30 euro. Tempting, but I would not want to session with them for free.[/QUOTE]
Hello Don Vito,
Please accept my sincere apologies for not being able to attend any meetings last week. Sounds like you had a serious blast.
Unfortunately I had to choose between this upcoming weekend and the last one. Business made last weekend tough.
I'll keep on the lookout for a few of those Oase gals selling on the cheap this weekend. Times is hard, times is hard.
Cheers,
Dedalus
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[QUOTE=Vito Corleone]Business must be really slow for the girls as some @ Oase offered 30 min for 30 euro. Tempting, but I would not want to session with them for free.[/QUOTE]
Hey, that´s a bargain. Which girls?
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[QUOTE=Dedalus]Hello Don Vito,
Please accept my sincere apologies for not being able to attend any meetings last week. Sounds like you had a serious blast.
Unfortunately I had to choose between this upcoming weekend and the last one. Business made last weekend tough.
I'll keep on the lookout for a few of those Oase gals selling on the cheap this weekend. Times is hard, times is hard.
Cheers,
Dedalus[/QUOTE]
Wassup Deda,
I was tempted to send Al Neri to look for you. I told my Capos you were lost in a pitch dark cave & had to feel along the walls to remember your way out!
I forgot the girls names, but 3-4 fat/thick ugly chicks who kept bothering me on the couch. I need to start investing in my own personal Frei/Bezets necklace. Some of these chicks were quite desparate for money. Sounds like they have....... I won't go there.
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[QUOTE=Travelerb69]Hey, that´s a bargain. Which girls?[/QUOTE]
Not quite sure, but not attractive at all. 2 were quite fat & hurt. Just sit on the couch & they will approach you. I would have some serious blood flow problems trying to bang those bargain babes.
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[QUOTE=Dedalus]One board contributor once called my observations "grassy knolly" when I reported about a conclusionary effort on the part of many Palace girls to set an internal service standard and price structure that would insure longer sessions and extras. In addition to this, "extra" extras would be sold such as kissing and GFE. Said board contributor ignored me when I mentioned that a number of Palace girls (current and former) told me this themselves.[/QUOTE]
I ignored you because you are on my ignore list. Unfortunately I can't ignore you when someone else quotes you so I'll answer you now.
I believe the word you were searching for was "collusionary" not "conclusionary" but I won't dwell on it as I make typos as well.
I have two problems with you "evidence". First of all, conversation in FKKs and Saunas is pretty much nothing but lies. Starting with "I'm from Italy" and ending with "Your dick is so big" and "I'm cumming" I really don't believe a word that comes out of the women's mouths in FKKs. And that's OK. I'm not looking for honesty and integrity in an FKK. The women tell you what you want to hear and you wanted to hear about collusion giving sub-standard service.
My second problem is your credibility. You don't post reviews, so I have no way of judging whether you know what you are talking about. Since I consider almost everything I hear in the context of an FKK a fabrication, I put your statements in that category until I have some way to judge your credibility. Now if you post a review or two and I end up sessioning with the woman in questions, I might change my mind about your credibility. This is why I value the opinion of posters such as Ortos and LBC. They have credibility.
It's really nothing personal, it's just I don't believe you or your sources.
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[QUOTE=Radler]I ignored you because you are on my ignore list. Unfortunately I can't ignore you when someone else quotes you so I'll answer you now.
It's really nothing personal, it's just I don't believe you or your sources.[/QUOTE]
For someone who is supposed to be ignoring me you devote too much time including me in your rants. Aren't you the same one who was so offended my my decision to visit a different club rather than the one that you were at, that you found it necessary to write an insulting satire about it?
You should try harder to ignore me. Maybe your life will be more fulfilling.
Nothing personal.
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Which girls charge €30 for 30 minutes at Oase?
Theme: Which girls charge €30 for 30 minutes at Oase?
[QUOTE=Vito Corleone] Business must be really slow for the girls as some @ Oase offered 30 min for 30 euro. Tempting, but I would not want to session with them for free.[/QUOTE]
Hey Vito Corleone,
I have only heard this story of girls at Oase charging €30 for 30 minutes - it seems to have come from a German internet forum. In all my trips to Oase I have not come across any girls or anyone else mentioning this rate. Maybe it is because I am marked as a €100 session that I do not get the bargains on offer.
Vito Corleone, its seems that you are the sage on this - which girls were offering €30 for 30 minutes. For these credit crunch times and the impecunious punter - knowing the value for money proposition is gold indeed in these times of trouble. Please share with us.
My thanks to you in advance,
Cheers,
Londonbasketcase
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[QUOTE=Radler] I have two problems with you "evidence". First of all, conversation in FKKs and Saunas is pretty much nothing but lies. Starting with "I'm from Italy" and ending with "Your dick is so big" and "I'm cumming" I really don't believe a word that comes out of the women's mouths in FKKs. And that's OK. I'm not looking for honesty and integrity in an FKK. The women tell you what you want to hear and you wanted to hear about collusion giving sub-standard service. [/QUOTE]
Dear Radler and Dedalus,
Sorry to change the subject.
First, we do want peace between two seniors that we have respect for both their writings and opinions. You both write well and write interesting points.
Second, in the context that girls tell guys many lies or fabrications - I get told many times that my schlong is the perfect shape for anal sex. Maybe its an a nice way to do an upsell for me to pump their arse for a few seconds to earn €100 extra.
I had one German girl go nuts at me when I fucked her arse and I could not come since I was spunked out from 5 other girls earlier that day including an earlier anal session with another blond girl from the Balkans.
I hope that brings a laugh.
Remember - it is only a game and most of all - we are here for a good time, not a long time.
But for some reason I worked out that I spent 21% of the time in 2008 in a FKK or a saunaclub.
Keep it light and happy.
Kind regards
Londonbasketcase
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[QUOTE=Radler]I ignored you because you are on my ignore list. Unfortunately I can't ignore you when someone else quotes you so I'll answer you now.
My second problem is your credibility. You don't post reviews, so I have no way of judging whether you know what you are talking about. Since I consider almost everything I hear in the context of an FKK a fabrication, I put your statements in that category until I have some way to judge your credibility. Now if you post a review or two and I end up sessioning with the woman in questions, I might change my mind about your credibility. This is why I value the opinion of posters such as Ortos and LBC. They have credibility.
It's really nothing personal, it's just I don't believe you or your sources.[/QUOTE]
Not sure if this is worth much, but I will vouch for Dedalus. Sure he is not a Palace fan & I respect his reasons, but his cred is rock solid. He's been FKKing for a long time all the time (except when I am in town!). His love of bolt-ons is somewhat questionable, but a great guy with plenty of useful info.
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There is a good way to disagree with someone..
[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase]Dear Radler and Dedalus,
Sorry to change the subject.
First, we do want peace between two seniors that we have respect for both their writings and opinions. You both write well and write interesting points.
Second, in the context that girls tell guys many lies or fabrications - I get told many times that my schlong is the perfect shape for anal sex. Maybe its an a nice way to do an upsell for me to pump their arse for a few seconds to earn €100 extra.
I had one German girl go nuts at me when I fucked her arse and I could not come since I was spunked out from 5 other girls earlier that day including an earlier anal session with another blond girl from the Balkans.
I hope that brings a laugh.
Remember - it is only a game and most of all - we are here for a good time, not a long time.
But for some reason I worked out that I spent 21% of the time in 2008 in a FKK or a saunaclub.
Keep it light and happy.
Kind regards
Londonbasketcase[/QUOTE]
... and a bad way.
When someone has a consistent history of turning disagreements into personal attacks, it just isn't within the scope of acceptable behavior.
Thank goodness for the ignore function. What would we do without it?
Might I make a suggestion to Radler? Two words: Autoerotic asphyxiation.
Try it. Its cheaper than visiting clubs and with a little bit of luck...
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[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase]Theme: Which girls charge €30 for 30 minutes at Oase?
Hey Vito Corleone,
I have only heard this story of girls at Oase charging €30 for 30 minutes - it seems to have come from a German internet forum. In all my trips to Oase I have not come across any girls or anyone else mentioning this rate. Maybe it is because I am marked as a €100 session that I do not get the bargains on offer.
Vito Corleone, its seems that you are the sage on this - which girls were offering €30 for 30 minutes. For these credit crunch times and the impecunious punter - knowing the value for money proposition is gold indeed in these times of trouble. Please share with us.
My thanks to you in advance,
Cheers,
Londonbasketcase[/QUOTE]
Wassup LBC,
None of these women were your type, but here is what I remember.
I do not remember their names. 2 not very attractive & really big boned women (Romanian/Bulgarian?) sat next to me on the couch along the mirror next to the kino on Sunday 11/30. 1st orc around midnight & the 2nd orc around 2:30am. They did not offer right away, but would not take no for an answer & the 2nd orc was quite aggreassive. Licking my nipples & strocking my pipe & after 10 minutes offered 30e for 30 min. Both were brunettes & built like linebackers so I respectfully declined. They complained it was slow & some other crap.
Tuesday 12/2 (maybe Wed) 2 women offered the same deal after 1am. Tried to catch some Z's, but was bothered by 1 desparate Romanian. Not bad looking, but nothing to write home about. Did not remember her name, but was slim with dark hair. The other hurt chick had thunder thighs like a redwood with medium brown hair. This nasty ***** even offered bareback. She asked if I prefered with or without. I had to take a shower after she touched my arm & shoulders.
If guys are looking for bargains then hang around until after midnight, then these women might start offering. I wouldn't go around requesting it, but after turning down a session they might offer. I doubt this would happen on a busy Fri or Sat, but s-th. It got pretty slow after hours & even the hot babes were sitting around talking & fingering themselves. I was on the prowl looking for fine ass babes not discounts so I did not bother to remember the names or even what they looked like. I traveled way too far to session with a way below average thick chick just to save 20e.
Good luck on the discount hunt.
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[QUOTE=Vito Corleone]Not sure if this is worth much, but I will vouch for Dedalus. [/QUOTE]
Hey Vito,
Thanks for this. Appreciate your point of view.
For now the ignore function seems the best option.
Regards,
Radler
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[QUOTE=Vito Corleone] town!). His love of bolt-ons is somewhat questionable, but a great guy with plenty of useful info.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I'm shallow, I know. Probably comes from having dated mostly small breasted gals in high school and college ;-))
I've considered therapy but occasionally stuffing 50 to 100 fish in the purses of gals like Monika/Palace, Sissy/GT, Danaya/World and Sandra/Paradise seems cheaper and more satisfying.
Cheers,
Dedalus
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[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase]Dear Radler and Dedalus,
Sorry to change the subject.
First, we do want peace between two seniors that we have respect for both their writings and opinions. You both write well and write interesting points.
Keep it light and happy.
Kind regards
Londonbasketcase[/QUOTE]
Hey LBC,
Thanks for your words and efforts, even though they are likely not necessary and in the end probably useless.
Not everyone is meant to see eye to eye and there are those who accept this, and there are those who get belligerent, bitter and needlessly argumentative about it.
I've been fortunate to meet many right fine Gents through this board and a few others. One rotten apple doesn't spoil it for me.
However again, I do indeed appreciate your efforts.
Cheers,
Dedalus, who will probably see you tonight at Oase if he isn't kidnapped for hours by Lina, Judith or Maria first.
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Club dates between Christmas and New Years
Living Room: Closed on the 24th and the 31st, open from 13:00 to 3:00 on the 25th and 26th
Samya: Closed on the 24th, 31st and the first
Blue Note: Closed on the 24th, 25th, 31st and first
Anyone aware of any others?
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Christmas/New Year opening times
[QUOTE=Jackyo]Living Room: Closed on the 24th and the 31st, open from 13:00 to 3:00 on the 25th and 26th
Samya: Closed on the 24th, 31st and the first
Blue Note: Closed on the 24th, 25th, 31st and first
Anyone aware of any others?[/QUOTE]
GT: closed on 24th and 31st. 25th and 26th open from 1pm - 1am. Nothing mentioned on the site about the 1st Jan so I presume this will be open normal holiday hours i.e. 1pm - 1am.
World: 24th closed, 25th from 3pm, 31st closed, 1st from 5pm
Palace: 24th closed, 25th/26th open from 6pm, 31st closed, 1st from 6pm
As with all of the clubs you can expect far fewer girls in the clubs over this period as they all go home to visit their families, etc.
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Oase at Christmas and New Years
I was reading on Youppie that Oase is open on the 25th and the first at 17:00 hours.
I don't know if it is open on the 24th or the 31st though.
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[QUOTE=Jackyo]I was reading on Youppie that Oase is open on the 25th and the first at 17:00 hours.
I don't know if it is open on the 24th or the 31st though.[/QUOTE]
Oase’s website says that they are closed both days.
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[QUOTE=Vito Corleone]Wassup LBC,
None of these women were your type, but here is what I remember.
I do not remember their names. 2 not very attractive & really big boned women (Romanian/Bulgarian?) sat next to me on the couch along the mirror next to the kino on Sunday 11/30. 1st orc around midnight & the 2nd orc around 2:30am. They did not offer right away, but would not take no for an answer & the 2nd orc was quite aggreassive. Licking my nipples & strocking my pipe & after 10 minutes offered 30e for 30 min. Both were brunettes & built like linebackers so I respectfully declined. They complained it was slow & some other crap.
Tuesday 12/2 (maybe Wed) 2 women offered the same deal after 1am. Tried to catch some Z's, but was bothered by 1 desparate Romanian. Not bad looking, but nothing to write home about. Did not remember her name, but was slim with dark hair. The other hurt chick had thunder thighs like a redwood with medium brown hair. This nasty ***** even offered bareback. She asked if I prefered with or without. I had to take a shower after she touched my arm & shoulders.
If guys are looking for bargains then hang around until after midnight, then these women might start offering. I wouldn't go around requesting it, but after turning down a session they might offer. I doubt this would happen on a busy Fri or Sat, but s-th. It got pretty slow after hours & even the hot babes were sitting around talking & fingering themselves. I was on the prowl looking for fine ass babes not discounts so I did not bother to remember the names or even what they looked like. I traveled way too far to session with a way below average thick chick just to save 20e.
Good luck on the discount hunt.[/QUOTE]
Hi Vito Corleone,
Thank you for the feedback. I did not find any girls that offered the €30 for 30 minute sessions. I was getting sessions for €50 per half a hour propositions. Mind you I did not ask and nor was I offered the option of €30 for 30 minutes.
I did ask one girl if she knew which girls were offering the value for money option and she said that these girls are bad and create bad business. The price of €50 per half a hour is low enough as it is than to have girls drag the prices down even futher. I know some German girls tell me that they blame the Eastern European girls for keeping the prices low and doing so much more for €50 than what the German girls feel comfortable providing. The rationale being that in Eastern European countries the €50 goes a long way when spent locally but €50 in Germany as spent does not go as far relatively.
Cheers,
Londonbasketcase
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Wanted - "Megan Fox"
Here's a questions for you all:
Has anyone come across a girl that could be a 'dead ringer' (or close) for the lovely Megan Fox? I'd love to find such a gem at a FKK and enjoy her company :-)
Here's a nice pic showing the real Megan Fox: [url]http://images.psxextreme.com/wallpapers/ps3/megan_fox_01.jpg[/url]
I guess that would be in one of the Frankfurt based places as I understand the girls rate highly on the looks scale there.
Thanks in advance!
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[QUOTE=Meldenridge]
Has anyone come across a girl that could be a 'dead ringer' (or close) for the lovely Megan Fox? I'd love to find such a gem at a FKK and enjoy her company :-)
[/QUOTE]
Don't recall seeing anyone who resembled Megan Fox...did see a girl a couple of years ago who was a dead ringer for Elisha Cuthbert [url]http://pibones.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/elisha_cuthbert.jpg[/url]
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Meldenridge,
I think you'll find someone that will resemble Megan Fox in the FKKs or Saunaclubs. Cannot think of a girl specifically but there are many dark haired girls - I think the style that you are after tends to be found more at Golden Time in Bruggen.
Londonbasketcase
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Megan Fox mask (DIY version)
Print out an 8x10 picture of Megan's face, poke a couple eye holes (or not) and attach an elastic band to it, then have a girl with a similar body put it on while you bang her. I assume you'll have to pay extra for that though. Probably quite a bit.
I have a Keri Russell mask I make my dog wear while I'm jerking off. Otherwise, it's kinda creepy when he stares at me. But that only costs me a fuckin' snausage.
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[QUOTE=CT Dude]
I have a Keri Russell mask I make my dog wear while I'm jerking off. Otherwise, it's kinda creepy when he stares at me. But that only costs me a fuckin' snausage.[/QUOTE]
This is a useless post. What good does this do the board? You didnt list what your dog's name is, what club she works at, color of her hair, if she does anal or not (if its a male we have to assume that's given ;-)....also, does she upcharge once she's in the room? Does she do threesome's with the dog next door? what's her favorite positions? doggystyle?
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[QUOTE=Breadman]what's her favorite positions? doggystyle?[/QUOTE]
That should be already given :=)
She/or he should be more creative and found another position named "human style" or let's say it in a different way: "manny style".
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[QUOTE=Meldenridge]Here's a questions for you all:
Has anyone come across a girl that could be a 'dead ringer' (or close) for the lovely Megan Fox? I'd love to find such a gem at a FKK and enjoy her company :-)
Here's a nice pic showing the real Megan Fox: [url]http://images.psxextreme.com/wallpapers/ps3/megan_fox_01.jpg[/url]
I guess that would be in one of the Frankfurt based places as I understand the girls rate highly on the looks scale there.
Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]
Try Jane @ FKK Auto Messe
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Help needed for Mannheim
Need some advise, I will be headed to Mannheim for a 1 night stop over before continuing my journey to Paris on the Debahn from Frankfurt. I will be arriving in Frankfurt at about 9pm.
Looking for some FKK club in or near Mannheim, as I will have a trolley bag, it my not be so convenient to be headed straight to an FKK club in Frankfurt,
Unless any kind soul can help me plan out an itinerary to get me from Frankfurt Airport to a nearby FKK club and thereafter to Mannheim DeBahn Train Station where my hotel is situated,
I will have to head to Mannheim after landing in Frankfurt and choose an FKK near Mannheim,
I have researched Paradise and Feignblatt FKK Clubs in Worms, supposedly near Mannheim. And another in Weinheim called Palace,
May I know how far these places are from Mannheim and whether it is feasible to hop on a taxi to take me to these places? And how much it would cost me by taxi and how far they are away, 20km? 20mins by taxi?
And if FKK clubs are out of the Question, then are there alternatives in Mannheim, Street walkers? Call girls? Escorts?
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Tüüürrrrr!
Inspired by a PM I got from Excess, let me be the first one on this forum to send my New Year's message to the forum by using the word which rings in my ears from visits to Bernds; the same word that Connie uses to announce to the girls that there is a new guest at the front door.
This announcement is always followed by the click of heels on the floor as someone runs to the front door to greet that guest. Pretty soon, a fresh faced clothed dude is ushered in; sometimes quite aware of what transpires behind the doors of this rather modest home, sometimes not quite sure what earthly delights await him.
The worldly are never jaded. The innocent are soon inducted into the secret world and are forever changed (sometimes not for the better, unfortunately).
So is it not fitting to announce a New Year by using the same word? A New Year = a new door opening, another season of club visits, another season of naked nymphs prancing, another year of hope and change in the realm of FKK clubs.
Hoping we all have a great 2009!
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Amnesia and Cocoon
Cocoon and Amnesia have now the same concept. New for me no idee if it will work!
[url]http://www.mcfick.org/[/url]
Tageskarte für nur 19,- €
Gültig für einen ganzen Tag innerhalb der Öffnungszeiten
Monats-Abo für
nur unglaubliche 99,- €
30 Tage uneingeschränkten Eintritt innerhalb der Öffnungszeiten
Regards,
Big30
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This is interesting
[QUOTE=Big30]Cocoon and Amnesia have now the same concept. New for me no idee if it will work!
[url]http://www.mcfick.org/[/url]
Regards,
Big30[/QUOTE]The new entry fees are: 19 Euros for entry on any single day, 99 Euros for a unlimited entry during a whole month!
Sure beats the Happy Hour pricing where they had reduced rates if you got there before 2 PM and in the evening.
It certain is a move in the right direction particularly if they are interested in building a [i]Stammkunde[/i]. The only thing I wonder about is what they do about reduced number of rooms at Cocoon.
Since they lost access to the hotel next door, the club has less capacity which explains the drop off in women who work there and the drop off in customers. I am hoping it will make a comeback.
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Amnesia and Cocoon admission?
Is the 19 and 99 entry good for both clubs? ie pay at one and enter free at the other?
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I can't tell precisely
[QUOTE=Breadman]Is the 19 and 99 entry good for both clubs? ie pay at one and enter free at the other?[/QUOTE]But that offer appears on the top page before you branch off to visit the individual club sites.
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Amnesia (Mr.Fick)
I had an impression that they were having hard time to fill the place when I was there in end of August.Everything was there but no customers for some reason.At the end they come up with this solution I hope it works.Otherwise it will be shame to loose that great place..I had a enjoyable afternoon there.
[QUOTE=Jackyo]The new entry fees are: 19 Euros for entry on any single day, 99 Euros for a unlimited entry during a whole month![/QUOTE]I have a feeling from price list now they charge for soft drinks and food.Also ladies charge hasn't mentioned at all.So It could be anything?
I was planing to be there in March.I hope they will be more informative.
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This is my first time here
Sorry, most likely I am placing this in the wrong spot but I could not find another option. Yes, I am new here and do have a question.
I appreciate what everybody is contributing here, it really helped me in Asia. I am going to Germany near Muenster in Mai, would you know good places to visit around there. I do speak german too and like the FKK idea.
Thanks for your advice.
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Info about Germany FXX Club OASE
Here is the link for how to get to FKK OASE from airport
[url]http://video.yahoo.com/watch/4219833/11341019[/url]
Hope this helps
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Intercourse as pronounced in different German dialects
The word is [i]Verkehr[/i] and this is from a postcard which I bought years ago and refound the other day.
In Hessen: [i]Verkehr[/i].
In Baden-Wuerttemberg: [i]Ferker[/i].
In Schleswig-Holstein: [i]Vaerkeer[/i].
In Niedersachsen: [i]Pherkehr[/i].
In Mecklenburg-Vorpommern: [i]Fackeer[/i].
In Bayern: [i]Vaerkaer[/i].
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[QUOTE=Iseeu]There is something else which has been gnawing at me. I do like to try a variety of clubs, even if it means moving out of my comfort zone, and cherish a challenge in entering unfamiliar waters and successfully navigating the new territory. The drawback is, that in these instances, I'm not only a new face to the working staff, I also don't have my own database and familiarity with the environment to make the most out of these visits.
At the 2 clubs that I visit most, Bernd's and Oase, I have my favorites, but know enough about the others, and also know how to solicit missing information, so that I can easily manage good sessions even if none of my favorites are available. Walking into Samya that night, and Palace a week and a half later, I was clearly lacking the knowledge and local nuances to maximize my time in the club. I have enough FKK smarts and experience to still be able to salvage these visits, but it's not as effortless or the same "value for money".[/QUOTE]
I think this is where we part ways. I'm not really looking for "value for money" as opposed to the quality of sexual experiences. Frankly, time and the number of sessions I can physically manage is more of a limiting factor than Euro for me. If one's criteria is simply "value for money", I can think of two better alternatives. First is the Partytreff scene with the "all you can fuck" pricing model. Second is Thailand. I'm sure there are more down market places than that if you really look.
I like a mixture of sessions with favorite girls as well as trying new girls. Same thing with clubs. I never would have run into Sophie (now an ATF) had I not gotten pissed off at GT after a mediocre day and been incented to branch out and try a club I had never visited.
Right now my personal club ranking is:
1. Palace
2. Oase
3. F39
4. GT
Oase and GT move up to numbers one and two in nice weather. I'm pretty familiar with the following clubs and either do not visit or once a year at most simply to check if anything has changed:
1. Bernds
2. PHG
3. VV
4. World
5. ColA
While I fully understand the value of building relationships with the girls (and frequenting the same clubs), I visit FKKs because I am inherently non-monogamous. What some of us don't understand is some of the guys that limit their club visits to just a few clubs and only session with the same women, is why not just get yourself a civilian girlfriend (or two)? If you are looking for an intimate experience, it's probably a better approach than the FKKs.
[QUOTE=Iseeu]I won't stop visiting other clubs, because I like the hunt and the search for that diamond in the rough. But I am asking myself, as well as the rest of you, if in these economic crunch times, wouldn't it be more prudent to limit our visits to the clubs that maximize our investment and guarantee satisfaction, rather than continue the exciting but often less fulfilling search for the holy grail?[/QUOTE]
No holy grails out there, just a string of experiences. In the same way I try to visit a new country every year, I try to visit a new FKK as well. Once in a while, you discover a gem. I'll probably stop, or severely limit, my FKK visits if I lose my source of income. I've been through unemployment before and severely restricted my FKK visits then (and gave up on FT as a paid extra). As with a lot of people, my earnings declined in 2008. My investments did as well, but it wasn't as bad as it could have been. I'll tighten my belt in other ways (give up movie channels on CATV, etc.) before I go to Bernds or Partytreffs for "value for money" reasons. Just my personal choice for how best to spend my money.
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Privacy
I was reading a review recently, and the combination of one the woman's nationality, age, location and other details provided could potentially identify her outside of the club. As we depend on privacy and anonymity, so do the women. I would hate to think of the impact on her life if her family found out what she was up to.
In this instance, I attempted to PM the poster to urge him to edit the post deleting a couple of very specific details that could be used to identify her outside the club. Unfortunately, his mail box was full.
A good rule of thumb to use is to take the details in the review and ask, how many women do you think match this description. If the answer is likely a handful or less, or even one, you are putting the woman's anonymity in danger.
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Muenster is perfect..
[QUOTE=Buggy09]Sorry, most likely I am placing this in the wrong spot but I could not find another option. Yes, I am new here and do have a question.
I appreciate what everybody is contributing here, it really helped me in Asia. I am going to Germany near Muenster in Mai, would you know good places to visit around there. I do speak german too and like the FKK idea.
Thanks for your advice.[/QUOTE]
.. for visits to Partytreffs.
It is just about Partytreff Central with three PTs within striking distance of each other.
More on this under the PT thread.
If you are into FKK clubs, the closest really good one is Zeus in Osnabrueck-Wallenhorst.
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"Value for Money"?
[QUOTE=Radler]I think this is where we part ways. I'm not really looking for "value for money" as opposed to the quality of sexual experiences. Frankly, time and the number of sessions I can physically manage is more of a limiting factor than Euro for me. If one's criteria is simply "value for money", I can think of two better alternatives. First is the Partytreff scene with the "all you can fuck" pricing model. Second is Thailand. I'm sure there are more down market places than that if you really look.
I like a mixture of sessions with favorite girls as well as trying new girls. Same thing with clubs.[/QUOTE]
Actually, we agree about this. I am also looking for quality experiences. "Value for Money" is not synonomous in my dictionary with "cheap", but receiving the best possible service for the invested financial level. Thankfully, I don't need to look for down market experiences, and can afford to pay for higher levels of service. It's just very important to me, as it is in my non-mongering life as well, that the promised service at the promised skill level is provided.
I still regularly visit Partytreffs and make a trip to Thailand whenever my crazy schedule allows. I'm not looking for the cheap version of "value for money" in these visits, although I am certainly not averse as a born New Yorker to getting a good deal, but rather to exprerience a variety of sexual scenarios and escapades. That's what keeps it interesting for me- to try the unknown, to sample some more so-called forbidden pleasures.
It's also why, I will often go to clubs out of my comfort zone; in 2008, other than Oase and Bernd's, I vistited Artemis, GT, VV, Living Room, Samya, F39, Cocoon, Finca, World and Palace. I've also been to swinger clubs, private houses, escort services, pick-up bars and strip joints. So I can't be accused of being risk averse and unwilling to experiment, or that I'm trying to save a buck.
[QUOTE=Radler]While I fully understand the value of building relationships with the girls (and frequenting the same clubs), I visit FKKs because I am inherently non-monogamous. What some of us don't understand is some of the guys that limit their club visits to just a few clubs and only session with the same women, is why not just get yourself a civilian girlfriend (or two)? If you are looking for an intimate experience, it's probably a better approach than the FKKs.
No holy grails out there, just a string of experiences. In the same way I try to visit a new country every year, I try to visit a new FKK as well. Once in a while, you discover a gem.[/QUOTE]
I understand your approach to this, but disagree to some extent. The value of having an FKK ATF, as you have with Sophie, is that she feels comfortable with you and therefore more likely to open herself more. Familiarity may breed contempt, but it also is an opening point for greater intimacy. A pefect FKK session IMO, is one in which there is some sense of that allusive mutual intimacy. These are very hard to come by, and almost impossible without some prior acquaintance. I have had some, and these are the real gems.
The advantage of the FKK scene is that, at the end of the day, she stays in the FKK and you go home, keeping to your non- monogomous ways. It's a perfect FWB relationship.
[QUOTE=Radler] I'll tighten my belt in other ways (give up movie channels on CATV, etc.) before I go to Bernds or Partytreffs for "value for money" reasons. Just my personal choice for how best to spend my money.[/QUOTE]
It's your money, and you should spend it how you want. I disagree though with the idea that either of these are only good as "value for money" alternatives.
As I alluded to above, I go to Bernd's, which is not a "cheap" club with the 70 Euro entry fee, because the sessions are uniformly great and the atmosphere is unmatched anywhere in the FKK universe. It may not be your cup of tea, but it is my elixir of youth. The added bonus is that there's no charge for most of the popular extras.
I continue to go to partytreffs which you could classify as cheap "value for money" alternatives due to the relative price per pop, because I like the open anything goes type of sexual activity, and some of the craziest times in my life have happened in a partytreff environment. Again, it's an unmatched type of scene, and the only thing that comes close is the great Lady Marmalade Party in London (which I also frequent) and that's certainly not a "cheap" alternative.
Appreciate your thoughts on this and wishing you and everyone else here, a happy and fulfilling year of mongering in 2009.
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[QUOTE=Radler]I was reading a review recently, and the combination of one the woman's nationality, age, location and other details provided could potentially identify her outside of the club. As we depend on privacy and anonymity, so do the women. I would hate to think of the impact on her life if her family found out what she was up to.
In this instance, I attempted to PM the poster to urge him to edit the post deleting a couple of very specific details that could be used to identify her outside the club. Unfortunately, his mail box was full.
A good rule of thumb to use is to take the details in the review and ask, how many women do you think match this description. If the answer is likely a handful or less, or even one, you are putting the woman's anonymity in danger.[/QUOTE]
Good point. For the particular review you have in mind, ask Jackson to modify the post to remove the identifying information. He did that when I asked him to remove some information from a post I had submitted which was too detailed.
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[QUOTE=Jimmy Boy 99]Good point. For the particular review you have in mind, ask Jackson to modify the post to remove the identifying information. He did that when I asked him to remove some information from a post I had submitted which was too detailed.[/QUOTE]Jackson will not edit the posts of other members based on a request unless it violates the board rules.
I'm not going to identify the poster publically as it would draw attention to the review. I urge those that have recently posted reviews to go back and re-read them and ask yourself if the details provided could potentially identify any of the women outside the club. If so, edit the review removing a detail or two to make it less likely the woman could be identified.
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[QUOTE=Radler] In this instance, I attempted to PM the poster to urge him to edit the post deleting a couple of very specific details that could be used to identify her outside the club. Unfortunately, his mail box was full.
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[QUOTE=Radler]Sorry to disappoint. I suggest you add me to your ignore list as I am doing with you.
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The private messages can store 200 messages, highly unlikely someone's box gets that many pm's. Are you sure your not on his ignore list?
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[QUOTE=Iseeu]Actually, we agree about this. I am also looking for quality experiences. "Value for Money" is not synonomous in my dictionary with "cheap", but receiving the best possible service for the invested financial level. Thankfully, I don't need to look for down market experiences, and can afford to pay for higher levels of service. It's just very important to me, as it is in my non-mongering life as well, that the promised service at the promised skill level is provided.[/QUOTE]
Well, I do think there is a clearly heirarchy of clubs in terms of the appearance of the women. Of the clubs I regularly visit, I'd put Palace at the top, closely followed by Oase and GT. F39 is a step down, the women are more girl next door types. Based on my visits Bernds, I'd put the appearance of the women a step down from F39.
Don't get me wrong, I tend to go for women in the middle of the pack appearance-wise. It's not a conscious thing, it's just the way my radar and my dick guide me. LBC would not fuck some of the women I find hot.
The girls in the clubs are there to make money. Aside from comfort level with a given club, the women gravitate to clubs where they can maximize their earnings. I was speaking to a top girl at a club who seemed to be considering moving on to another club. She is constantly busy and seems to have quite a few regulars. Reason she is considering moving on is to maximize her earnings (higher pricing on extras, etc.)
Witness the Summer-Winter migration between GT and Palace. Mara, a top act at Bernds would probably be a mid-tier pick (mostly based on appearance) at GT or Oase. She would probably develop a Regi-like following over time.
Svenja is another case in point. She is a very nice lady and I've had enjoyable sessions with her at Bernds. She's probably in the top third, appearance-wise, of the women at Bernds. If you put her at Palace, Oase or GT, she's probably in the lower half appearance-wise. Again, she's a delightful lady and delivers a nice sessions. Ask yourself why she does an FT session at Bernds for 50E that would fetch her 75E at GT or 100E at Palace or Oase. It is likely because she would session less frequently at any of these clubs because of the competition.
As far as promised service levels, the only thing the women promise you is that you will get sucked and fucked. They make no promises that they are any good at either activity. It is through observation, chemistry, and yes, the elusive ISG review that we seperate the wheat from the chafe. For me, skill in a blowjob is very important. I look for women that know how to give a sensuous blowjob where they keep their teeth out of the way. Czech Linda was the gold standard. I've had toothy blowjobs at Bernds (Princess comes to mind). I've had great blowjobs at other clubs. Only way I've learned to decide is to observe the girls BJ technique (couch action at F39, Kino at other clubs).
[QUOTE=Iseeu]I'm not looking for the cheap version of "value for money" in these visits, although I am certainly not averse as a born New Yorker to getting a good deal....[/QUOTE]
I'll probably get flamed for relaying this but I have to share this story. I was negotiating a project with a "born New Yorker" type last year. I had delt with him in the past, he was always trying to find a way to negotiate a discount. We price our services based on costs plus a modest margin and price the same for all clients, except for our best clients were we discount based on the relationship. I told my boss I didn't want to deal with this guy as frankly he was more annoying than the business was worth. My boss's response was, "Inflate the price by 20%", let him negotiate the price down by 10% and let him think he got a good deal.
Moral of the story, sometimes you only think you got a good deal.
Maybe this is why I can swim with the sharks at Palace without getting bit. I understand their motivation.
[QUOTE=Iseeu]I understand your approach to this, but disagree to some extent. The value of having an FKK ATF, as you have with Sophie, is that she feels comfortable with you and therefore more likely to open herself more. Familiarity may breed contempt, but it also is an opening point for greater intimacy. A pefect FKK session IMO, is one in which there is some sense of that allusive mutual intimacy. These are very hard to come by, and almost impossible without some prior acquaintance. I have had some, and these are the real gems. [/QUOTE]
Sophie is a bad example. Sophie is selling GFE, a really nice suck and fuck with a sense of intimacy from day one. Sure it does get a little better with repeated sessions, but it's pretty damn good from the first session. The first time I was with Sophie, I stayed in the room for 1 1/2 hours and two pops. That never has happened with any other woman.
Sophie is smart and she is all about maximizing her earnings. The way she does it is keeping you in the room with the clock running as long as possible. Nobody does it better, as far as I am concerned.
At the end of the day, it is all an illusion. Sophie provides that same sense of intimacy to ten guys a day (and half of the ISG senior members it would seem).
[QUOTE=Iseeu]It's your money, and you should spend it how you want. I disagree though with the idea that either of these are only good as "value for money" alternatives. [/QUOTE]
You may like them for reasons other than cheapness, to each his on. However, your initial thesis was that with the financial downturn, more mongers will turn to "value for money" clubs. FKKs are so riduculously cheap by North American standards, that I see no need to cut corners for "value for money".
[QUOTE=Iseeu]As I alluded to above, I go to Bernd's, which is not a "cheap" club with the 70 Euro entry fee, because the sessions are uniformly great and the atmosphere is unmatched anywhere in the FKK universe. It may not be your cup of tea, but it is my elixir of youth. The added bonus is that there's no charge for most of the popular extras.
I continue to go to partytreffs which you could classify as cheap "value for money" alternatives due to the relative price per pop, because I like the open anything goes type of sexual activity, and some of the craziest times in my life have happened in a partytreff environment.[/QUOTE]
Two comments, I can get uniformly great sessions at any club I frequent on a regular basis (including Palace) simply by sticking to known favorite ladies. It is when sessioning with a new girl when the risk of a less than stellar session occurs. I tend to only badly misfire under very unusual circumstances (F39 between Xmas and New Years, most regulars not present, sellers market or VV). It is the risk that I am willing to take to find new ATFs, such as Sophie.
Second, you can't deny your inner cheapness when making statements like "added bonus is that there's no charge for most of the popular extras" and "due to the relative price per pop". I suspect you object because of the negative connotations of the word. May I sugest an alternative word, Geiz perhaps? You can take "Geiz ist geil." as a motto. I understand Saturn isn't using it any more. Bonus points if you can get Bernds to adopt it as their motto.
[QUOTE=Iseeu]Appreciate your thoughts on this and wishing you and everyone else here, a happy and fulfilling year of mongering in 2009.[/QUOTE]
Likewise, a happy 2009 with many mongering opportunities. In the end, it is all a matter of personal taste and what one enjoys. There is no right answer for everyone.
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Last word on Bernds
Mongers should treat Bernds with the same reverance that Muslims treat Mecca. Every monger has a religious obligation to visit Bernds once in his lifetime.
I'm even willing to face Bernds and pray five times a day in gratitude for creating the FKK concept. I just like other FKKs better for my pilgrimages having fullfilled my religious obligations.
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Wouldn't most Muslim guys be turned away from this "Mecca"? I heard people complain about Sankt Augustine, Bernd's old sister club having a racist door policy.
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Wouldn't most Muslim guys be turned away from this "Mecca"? I heard people complain about Sankt Augustine, Bernd's old sister club having a racist door policy.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I heard the same about Seventh-day Adventist. I mean, like, they spot them out right away and don't let them in the club. They are really good at reading your mind and finding out your religion, like telepathic and shit like that. Bummer man.
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Inner Cheapness?
[QUOTE=Radler]Well, I do think there is a clearly heirarchy of clubs in terms of the appearance of the women. Of the clubs I regularly visit, I'd put Palace at the top, closely followed by Oase and GT. F39 is a step down, the women are more girl next door types. Based on my visits Bernds, I'd put the appearance of the women a step down from F39.
Don't get me wrong, I tend to go for women in the middle of the pack appearance-wise. It's not a conscious thing, it's just the way my radar and my dick guide me.[/QUOTE]
I put Oase above Palace, and agree that Bernd's is not on the top of the list. I also don't go most of the time for the model types, since many of them are too caught up in themselves to provide good service. Many, not all. Leonie at Bernd's is a great exception to this rule. Each of us knows of others.
[QUOTE=Radler]The girls in the clubs are there to make money. Aside from comfort level with a given club, the women gravitate to clubs where they can maximize their earnings. I was speaking to a top girl at a club who seemed to be considering moving on to another club. She is constantly busy and seems to have quite a few regulars. Reason she is considering moving on is to maximize her earnings (higher pricing on extras, etc.)
Witness the Summer-Winter migration between GT and Palace. Mara, a top act at Bernds would probably be a mid-tier pick (mostly based on appearance) at GT or Oase. She would probably develop a Regi-like following over time.
Svenja is another case in point. She is a very nice lady and I've had enjoyable sessions with her at Bernds. She's probably in the top third, appearance-wise, of the women at Bernds. If you put her at Palace, Oase or GT, she's probably in the lower half appearance-wise. Again, she's a delightful lady and delivers a nice sessions. Ask yourself why she does an FT session at Bernds for 50E that would fetch her 75E at GT or 100E at Palace or Oase. It is likely because she would session less frequently at any of these clubs because of the ccompetition.[/QUOTE]
Actually, I know the reason for that. Alot of the women who work in the smaller clubs, prefer the ambience and more controlled structure of these clubs. They are also less "transactional" in mindset. True, it could be that they know that they may not cut it at the big clubs like GT and Oase, but it's also true that many of them prefer the clubs based on return stammgest business, rather than the tourist centered clubs.
[QUOTE=Radler]As far as promised service levels, the only thing the women promise you is that you will get sucked and fucked. They make no promises that they are any good at either activity.[/QUOTE]
IMO, promised FKK service levels should always include couch action, DFK, BBBJ, and DATY. A worker at one of these clubs providing these services, is expected to be a proficient at what she does.
[QUOTE=Radler]You may like them for reasons other than cheapness, to each his on. However, your initial thesis was that with the financial downturn, more mongers will turn to "value for money" clubs. FKKs are so riduculously cheap by North American standards, that I see no need to cut corners for "value for money".[/QUOTE]
I wasn't professing an initial thesis, rather contemplating if we shouldn't rein ourselves in more and concentrate more on those places that have repeatedly proven that they provide us with the service that we're seeking, rather than widening our horizons, moving out of our comfort zones, and opening ourselves up to having less than satisfactory experiences. I have no doubt that you have a much better time at Palace than I did (I know- I still owe a report). I still went to Palace, not for value for money, but because, it exists in the FKK universe in which I have a keen interest. I could have chosen that night to go to Oase, at which I feel much more comfortable and have had innumerable great experiences.
[QUOTE=Radler]you can't deny your inner cheapness when making statements like "added bonus is that there's no charge for most of the popular extras" and "due to the relative price per pop".[/QUOTE]
That's taking what I wrote out of context.
Here's what I wrote about Bernd's:
"I go to Bernd's, which is not a "cheap" club with the 70 Euro entry fee, because the sessions are uniformly great and the atmosphere is unmatched anywhere in the FKK universe. It may not be your cup of tea, but it is my elixir of youth. The added bonus is that there's no charge for most of the popular extras."
It's an added bonus, and as has been adequately documented on this forum, is not the motivatior for me going there. I don't actively seek out FT providers, but I enjoy CIM and COB if that's what follows the flow of the action. It's nice to know that it's on the menu even if I don't order it, because I could be hungry later, and it kills the mood to get the price list and have to negotiate in the heat of passion. How does that show my "inner cheapness"?
Here's what I wrote about PT's:
"I continue to go to partytreffs which you could classify as cheap "value for money" alternatives due to the relative price per pop, because I like the open anything goes type of sexual activity, and some of the craziest times in my life have happened in a partytreff environment."
I wrote that you could classify it as a cheap value for money alternative because of the price per pop. That that is not the reason that I go to these clubs- some times I like to experience more wilder, open and even kinkier sexual environments for variety's sake. How does that show my "inner cheapness"?
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I don't remember this
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Wouldn't most Muslim guys be turned away from this "Mecca"? I heard people complain about Sankt Augustine, Bernd's old sister club having a racist door policy.[/QUOTE]
But then again I wasn't really paying attention either.
Will someone approach Connie the next time they are at Bernds and ask her if there was such a policy?
She was the main Thekenfrau at the Sankt Augustine-Meindorf club and she would tell you (if you catch her in a good mood).
Come to think of it, I can't remember many Turkish clients at Bernds either. The mix of Bernds guests is quite distinctively skewed.
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[QUOTE=Jackyo]The mix of Bernds guests is quite distinctively skewed.[/QUOTE]
I would probably put it a bit differently. The mix of Bernd's guests is quite distinctively screwed (only in a carnal sense))!! The ROD's and other posts describe this very eloquently.
I have to say that I have observed guests of a number of hues at Bernd's and not seen any hesitation of the girls to spend time in or out the rooms with them. I do recall several different Japanese and Chinese guests, at least one Afro-American, and several Indian/Pakistani guests. I would have spoken with all of them, some of them extensively and none expressed any concern about their treatment overt or otherwise and on the contrary were frankly knocked-out at being in one of the historic inns in FKKland.
Granted a limited sample, but one based upon personal observation rather than hearsay.
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Let's not get cheapness mixed up with...
[QUOTE=Iseeu]I put Oase above Palace, and agree that Bernd's is not on the top of the list. I also don't go most of the time for the model types, since many of them are too caught up in themselves to provide good service. Many, not all. Leonie at Bernd's is a great exception to this rule. Each of us knows of others.
Actually, I know the reason for that. Alot of the women who work in the smaller clubs, prefer the ambience and more controlled structure of these clubs. They are also less "transactional" in mindset. True, it could be that they know that they may not cut it at the big clubs like GT and Oase, but it's also true that many of them prefer the clubs based on return stammgest business, rather than the tourist centered clubs.
IMO, promised FKK service levels should always include couch action, DFK, BBBJ, and DATY. A worker at one of these clubs providing these services, is expected to be a proficient at what she does.
I wasn't professing an initial thesis, rather contemplating if we shouldn't rein ourselves in more and concentrate more on those places that have repeatedly proven that they provide us with the service that we're seeking, rather than widening our horizons, moving out of our comfort zones, and opening ourselves up to having less than satisfactory experiences. I have no doubt that you have a much better time at Palace than I did (I know- I still owe a report). I still went to Palace, not for value for money, but because, it exists in the FKK universe in which I have a keen interest. I could have chosen that night to go to Oase, at which I feel much more comfortable and have had innumerable great experiences.
That's taking what I wrote out of context.
Here's what I wrote about Bernd's:
"I go to Bernd's, which is not a "cheap" club with the 70 Euro entry fee, because the sessions are uniformly great and the atmosphere is unmatched anywhere in the FKK universe. It may not be your cup of tea, but it is my elixir of youth. The added bonus is that there's no charge for most of the popular extras."
It's an added bonus, and as has been adequately documented on this forum, is not the motivatior for me going there. I don't actively seek out FT providers, but I enjoy CIM and COB if that's what follows the flow of the action. It's nice to know that it's on the menu even if I don't order it, because I could be hungry later, and it kills the mood to get the price list and have to negotiate in the heat of passion. How does that show my "inner cheapness"?
Here's what I wrote about PT's:
"I continue to go to partytreffs which you could classify as cheap "value for money" alternatives due to the relative price per pop, because I like the open anything goes type of sexual activity, and some of the craziest times in my life have happened in a partytreff environment."
I wrote that you could classify it as a cheap value for money alternative because of the price per pop. That that is not the reason that I go to these clubs- some times I like to experience more wilder, open and even kinkier sexual environments for variety's sake. How does that show my "inner cheapness"?[/QUOTE]
... looking for a good price-value relationship or what is called in German a [i]Preisleistungsverhaeltnis[/i].
Tough times require tough measures. One has to decide for himself whether he is getting the maximum "bang for the buck", where he is getting his needs met.
Its a large global market out there. My alternative when I was contemplating my last romp in Deutschland was Montreal but I have issues with the selection process there and I don't get the kind of variety I find in Deutschland.
I also am of the view that there are women who deliver good service, there are women who provide good visuals and there are women who provide both good service and good visuals.
The latter group is hard to find.
There are average women who provide good service and terrible service. At the same time there are stunners who provide good service and terrible service. Its all in what you consider to be a priority and how well you screen to find your object of lust.
Overall, the average chick provides an average experience. Its usually nothing to write home about, at least for me. Its when she takes that experience and makes it into a Girlfriend Experience that I think she's gone the extra mile. A GFE, in my mind though, has nothing to do with that alphabet soup of abbreviations which most guys use to create a GFE equation.
Women I consider a GFE are women who remember me when I return and know what I like and dislike. I don't like visiting clubs where the women don't want to be bothered with this kind of thing.
What I wonder about is how anyone can say that a thirty minute session was a GFE. I say this because when I've been with real girlfriends, she would never stand up after thirty minutes and start making the bed. I enjoy poking for the sake of poking and if she gets me in the mood, we can have very long poking sessions with conversation and breaks thrown in every now and then.
This is my definition of what a GFE is about.
This is why I like PTs. If I find someone I can get along with there, I've had super long poking sessions there without a clock ticking in the background. That "if" is the challenge but not having to watch the meter is a big incentive.
Perfecting one's observation skills is key. Visually stunning women who get no action are suspect in my book. We are talking Optikfick here. The regulars have them figured out and you are bucking the common wisdom to go with a chick like that. There are a lot of really good looking women who are duds personality wise or who provide terrible service.
Then there are plain Janes out there who are constantly booked. They, in my mind, are the ones you should make a beeline for. The proof is that there are already guys who do.
The two extremes for clubs are the neighborhood, Stammgast-oriented clubs on one extreme and the large, tourist-oriented clubs on the other extreme. The women gravitate to the clubs which best suit their tendencies and likes-dislikes: The relationship-oriented inhabit the first type of club, the more transactional inhabit the second type of club.
My preferences are known on this issue but everyone should go out and form their own preferences.
All I ask is that if you stick with what you like.
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If my memory is still good a canadian guy of clear indian origin showed up at Bernd's on the same day of the first ISG international meeting.
And he has been treated very well by the girls.
He fucked 4 girls in less than 6 hours!
PS: I think it's time to organize another ISG meeting.
I would like to set up a meeting in Germany and an "exotic" one in Bangkok!
What do you think?
Regards,
Italy 1974
[QUOTE=Excess]I would probably put it a bit differently. The mix of Bernd's guests is quite distinctively screwed (only in a carnal sense))!! The ROD's and other posts describe this very eloquently.
I have to say that I have observed guests of a number of hues at Bernd's and not seen any hesitation of the girls to spend time in or out the rooms with them. I do recall several different Japanese and Chinese guests, at least one Afro-American, and several Indian/Pakistani guests. I would have spoken with all of them, some of them extensively and none expressed any concern about their treatment overt or otherwise and on the contrary were frankly knocked-out at being in one of the historic inns in FKKland.
Granted a limited sample, but one based upon personal observation rather than hearsay.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Italy 1974]If my memory is still good a canadian guy of clear indian origin showed up at Bernd's on the same day of the first ISG international meeting. And he has been treated very well by the girls. He fucked 4 girls in less than 6 hours!
PS: I think it's time to organize another ISG meeting. [/QUOTE]
Hi Italy 1974,
I also understand that another Asian man from the midlands of Gross Britannia was also admitted to Bernds for a decent period of sucking and fucking. He has written of his exploits before on another forum.
I may be able to set aside a weekday visit to take the haij to Bernds Mecca to pay homage to the Mufti.
Regards
Londonbasketcase
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[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase]Hi Italy 1974,
I also understand that another Asian man from the midlands of Gross Britannia was also admitted to Bernds for a decent period of sucking and fucking. He has written of his exploits before on another forum.
I may be able to set aside a weekday visit to take the haij to Bernds Mecca to pay homage to the Mufti.
Regards
Londonbasketcase[/QUOTE]
Bernds to the best of my knowledge does not turn folks away based on race.
A friend who was twice turned away at GT (persumably based on race, but I have no desire to resurrect that argument) had no problem being admitted at Bernds.
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Geiz ist geil
[QUOTE=Iseeu]I put Oase above Palace, and agree that Bernd's is not on the top of the list. I also don't go most of the time for the model types, since many of them are too caught up in themselves to provide good service. Many, not all. Leonie at Bernd's is a great exception to this rule. Each of us knows of others. [/QUOTE]Reasonable people can disagree on ranking of appearances of the women at Palace, Oase and GT. They are really not that far apart.
As mentioned, I tend to go to the middle of the pack for a couple reasons. An almost sure fire way to select a woman for good service is to find a woman who is average in looks who is constantly busy.
I like having a high quotient of eye candy for a few of reasons. First, the middle of the pack is pretty damn good. Second, once in a blue moon, I like to go for a stunning young woman, early 20s, blond, flawless body with a "barely legal" look. I know going into it the service will not be stellar, but sometimes you just really want to fuck a fantasy woman. Lastly, I like looking at naked or scantily clad women. I really, really like it. Having a higher appearance quotient makes the experience more enjoyable.
[QUOTE=Iseeu]Actually, I know the reason for that. Alot of the women who work in the smaller clubs, prefer the ambience and more controlled structure of these clubs. They are also less "transactional" in mindset. True, it could be that they know that they may not cut it at the big clubs like GT and Oase, but it's also true that many of them prefer the clubs based on return stammgest business, rather than the tourist centered clubs.[/QUOTE]Well, I did mention comfort level as a factor, alluding to what you stated. However, you can never really know women's motivations. They tell you one thing and do another. FKK women I think are even more skewed that civilian women.
Ortos alluded that Czech Linda is working her way through the Hessen big three trying to figure out which will maximize her earning. I suspect if Linda is still in the game ten years from now, she will be working at Bernds telling customers that she prefers the ambience and the more controlled structure on Bernds.
[QUOTE=Iseeu]IMO, promised FKK service levels should always include couch action, DFK, BBBJ, and DATY. A worker at one of these clubs providing these services, is expected to be a proficient at what she does. [/QUOTE]Yep, meant BBBJ. Covered BJ is unacceptable (unless that is your preference). I don't really care one way or another on DFK and DATY. I rarely indulge in DATY in a club (weirdly I tend to reserve that for civilian girls. DFK is part of the girlfriend illusion which is inconguent with having a girl blow you to completion in public.
Couch action is variable by club. F39 and Bernds are the only clubs I frequent where it is still common. You can make it happen at Palace or Oase, but almost no girl will initiate it. The Kino seems to have replaced the couch at most clubs. This is why I will not go to clubs without a Kino.
[QUOTE=Iseeu]I wasn't professing an initial thesis, rather contemplating if we shouldn't rein ourselves in more and concentrate more on those places that have repeatedly proven that they provide us with the service that we're seeking, rather than widening our horizons, moving out of our comfort zones, and opening ourselves up to having less than satisfactory experiences. I have no doubt that you have a much better time at Palace than I did (I know- I still owe a report). I still went to Palace, not for value for money, but because, it exists in the FKK universe in which I have a keen interest. I could have chosen that night to go to Oase, at which I feel much more comfortable and have had innumerable great experiences.[/QUOTE]Contemplating altering behaviour because because of the "economic crunch" is code for spending less money. The same activity can be both getting a good value and being cheap. The difference is simply the connotation. Consider the following two scenarios:
You hook up with a very pretty freelance Issan girl in Thailand. She initially asks 2500 Baht long time, but because of the drop off in tourist trade you bargan her down to 1000 Baht all night.
Was that a good value for the money, or is that cheap?
Second scenario, same girl gives you the night of your life. Treats you like she loves you, the sex is the best in your life. You fuck three of four times befor sleeping, she happily lets you fuck her in the ass, and finishes each time by swallowing you load. She lets you take pictures. What ever you want to do she is enthusiastically into. You fall asleep exhausted bodies entwined. You awaked a couple of times in the night to discover her blowing you. In the morning, the sex is even better than last night.
As you are getting ready to leave, she asks if you would like to hang out together today. She clearly wants to turn this into a multiple day girlfriend arrangement (presumably at 1000 Baht a day). As you want to sample other ladies, you decline. She smiles and asks could she at least have a couple of hundred baht for cab fare. Knowing full well she can get anywhere on the skytrain for under 50 baht, you give her 50 baht and she is on her way.
Was that a good value for the money, or is that cheap?
[QUOTE=Iseeu]That's taking what I wrote out of context.[/QUOTE]Well, I quoted the entire quote, so kind of hard to argue that excerpting in my sentence was taking out of context.
Didn't Govenor Blagoavich claim his comments were taken out of context as well?
[QUOTE=Iseeu]I don't actively seek out FT providers, but I enjoy CIM and COB if that's what follows the flow of the action. It's nice to know that it's on the menu even if I don't order it, because I could be hungry later, and it kills the mood to get the price list and have to negotiate in the heat of passion.[/QUOTE]No relation to your inner cheapness. Although I didn't think CIM was standard service for every woman at Bernds, so if you want it, you still have to ask if it is on the menu if you want it from a woman you haven't been with. Every club I go to, with the exception of F39, CIM is a fixed price. At F39, it is up to the girl, but no girl has ever asked for more than 30Euro from me.
I don't COB so doesn't matter to me whether it is offered included or whatever.
Depending on how it is handled it can be quite hot. Iraqi Lena at Palace telling me "I want you to fuck me in my ass" is hot, even if I didn't take her up on the offer. Koko beseaching me to come in her mouth whilest fucking her and getting close is hot.
If a girl asks for non-standard pricing, it is annoying. I just say no. Not a boner killer, but it does diminish the session. This happens once in a blue moon for me at Palace, Oase and GT. F39 is a negotiation for FT if you want to, but I always just accept the offering price.
Let's end this discussion as it is getting rather circular and seems to be at its root about connotations, or one more response from you and I'll drop it. Would you just do this for me in the spirit of monger comraderee? Just say it once, "Geiz ist geil"
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[QUOTE=Radler]a stunning young woman, early 20s, blond, flawless body with a "barely legal" look[/QUOTE]Hey, I wasn't letting on, but she's my favourite too. :-)
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A flash of recognition
I was driving on my way home the other day and a Land Rover with German plates driving in the opposite direction approached.
Its plates were clearly marked VIE.
I'm thinking to myself: "VIE! I know where that is! VIE is Viersen."
Viersen is, of course, just around the corner from PHG.
For a second that flash of recognition took me to another time and another place. It will be a while before I return to that club.
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SuperBowl?
Does anyone know if any of the clubs show the superbowl or remember a club having it on last year? I know that by the time the game actually starts it would be close to 2am in Germany...but its possible it might be rebroadcast the next day.
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[QUOTE=Jackyo]I was driving on my way home the other day and a Land Rover with German plates driving in the opposite direction approached.
Its plates were clearly marked VIE.
I'm thinking to myself: "VIE! I know where that is! VIE is Viersen."
Viersen is, of course, just around the corner from PHG.
For a second that flash of recognition took me to another time and another place. It will be a while before I return to that club.[/QUOTE]
A few days ago I was driving a mietwagen bound for GT on the A52 between Duesseldorf and Roermond. I passed several vehicles plated with VIE and thought the same as you: That must stand for Viersen...
Great minds think alike...
Ortos
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Superbowl
[QUOTE=Breadman]Does anyone know if any of the clubs show the superbowl or remember a club having it on last year? I know that by the time the game actually starts it would be close to 2am in Germany...but its possible it might be rebroadcast the next day.[/QUOTE]
Hi Breadman
I just know that the ARD (one of the two biggest, non-private tv-channels in Germany – as you probably know) will broadcast it on Sunday from 0am on.
No offence – I personally love sports – but I seriously doubt, they will show it at any of the clubs – given the general interest for that particular sport in Europe. I might be totally wrong though and someone else remembers watching it at some point in a club?
;–) Globus
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[QUOTE=Globus]
No offence – I personally love sports – but I seriously doubt, they will show it at any of the clubs – given the general interest for that particular sport in Europe. I might be totally wrong though and someone else remembers watching it at some point in a club?
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Just curious if i'll see any of the game or not. But to be honest, if im doing a trip to Germany and Fkk land, last thing im thinking about is catching the game. Priorities.
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[QUOTE=Breadman]Does anyone know if any of the clubs show the superbowl or remember a club having it on last year? I know that by the time the game actually starts it would be close to 2am in Germany...but its possible it might be rebroadcast the next day.[/QUOTE]
I have watched super bowls in the past in the relax zone at FKK World.
beffen
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Great minds do think alike!
[QUOTE=Ortos]A few days ago I was driving a mietwagen bound for GT on the A52 between Duesseldorf and Roermond. I passed several vehicles plated with VIE and thought the same as you: That must stand for Viersen...
Great minds think alike...
Ortos[/QUOTE]
The big difference was I had this weird experience something like 3,500 miles away from Viersen. It was very strange.
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Seeking advice
For a first time visitor to Germany who speaks almost no German, only English, is it better to visit FKK's or call independent escorts, or what? I know this will depend on what I am looking for, so a brief description of my desires is: GFE an absolute must (deep french kissing and a lot of it, lots of caressing, etc.), AO (please no lectures. I've already heard it all), BBBJ. Advice as to which cities and where to go in them is greatly appreciated.
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[QUOTE=Seabreeze0003]For a first time visitor to Germany who speaks almost no German, only English, is it better to visit FKK's or call independent escorts, or what? I know this will depend on what I am looking for, so a brief description of my desires is: GFE an absolute must (deep french kissing and a lot of it, lots of caressing, etc.), AO (please no lectures. I've already heard it all), BBBJ. Advice as to which cities and where to go in them is greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]
Not my cup of tea, but there are plenty of AO clubs around. Do a search.
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[QUOTE=Seabreeze0003]For a first time visitor to Germany who speaks almost no German, only English, is it better to visit FKK's or call independent escorts, or what? I know this will depend on what I am looking for, so a brief description of my desires is: GFE an absolute must (deep french kissing and a lot of it, lots of caressing, etc.), AO (please no lectures. I've already heard it all), BBBJ. Advice as to which cities and where to go in them is greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]For Bonn/Koln area my suggestion is Traum Paradies.
Be very clear when you call or when you talk with the receptionist and you will not complain.
Italy 1974
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You are a better man than I
[QUOTE=Seabreeze0003]For a first time visitor to Germany who speaks almost no German, only English, is it better to visit FKK's or call independent escorts, or what? I know this will depend on what I am looking for, so a brief description of my desires is: GFE an absolute must (deep french kissing and a lot of it, lots of caressing, etc.), AO (please no lectures. I've already heard it all), BBBJ. Advice as to which cities and where to go in them is greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]
Personally I wouldn't travel to Germany if I spoke no German but that is just me. I am probably more risk averse than the average person.
But I do speak it and have gone for years even before discovering these clubs.
Yes, monolingualists get around but I cannot imagine how they do it. All I can say is that if the language thing doesn't faze you, you are a far better man than I.
Having said this, I avoid women I don't understand. It makes a huge difference to me to be able to communicate with her.
You are best off at an FKK club. You can evaluate the selection much better than relying on webpages or descriptions on the phone. She's live and in front of you and you can test for chemistry before you commit. You also have a better way of resolving issues should they arise as everything takes place in the format of a fixed place of business.
As to AO, to each his own. There are clubs who make it known that they provide AO. And if one asks discretely, one can find at most clubs. "Discretely" is the key word.
Where to go? Land in Hessen, stay in Hessen. Most guys on this forum favor the large Hessen clubs. You can't go wrong visiting them assuming your tastes are similar to theirs.
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close encounters of the non verbal kind
Agree with Jackyo. Would stick to the bigger clubs around Frankfurt or the Rheinland. Inside a number of girls will speak English (and some no German!), the reception most likely speaks English.
Escorts around Frankfurt will cost you 200 an hour max.
AO is pretty damned hard to find and you need German to do so. I doubt your chances of finding it and when you do you will be asked for a minimum of 150 extra.
For example Freiclub.de lists girls who do, but its in German and you must pay a membership.
but hell, if you want the shortest route to Aids known to man......roll the dice.
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well, eat my words...
here for fans of AO is party near Frankfurt in Feb -
Hi. . . unser tabuloser A. O. GANGBANG findet am 06. 02. (Freitag) ab 19:00 Uhr statt. Und zwar in einem Studio in 64832 Babenhausen (die genauen Daten u. Anfahrt usw. bekommt Ihr bei der Anmeldung) Dabei sein wird diesmal meine Freundin Gundula (total versaut u. nahezu tabulos ;-))! Wir laden bis zu 22 Teilnehmer ein. . . gerne auch Paare oder Solofrauen! Unkostenbeitrag ab 80 Euro - Damen und aktive Paare sind FREI und immer gern gesehen! Verkehr und alles weitere ist ohne Gummi möglich (bei Vorlage eines aktuellen HIV/ HEP C. Tests). Da wir unsere Party filmen lassen denkt bitte an eine Maske wenn Ihr nicht erkannt werden wollt. Also ab zur Anmeldung!
A studio near BabenHausen in 64832 the exact address you get when you announce your willingness to partake.
Gundula at your service. A total of 22 men invited also couples and solo women, cost 80 Euro and AO so long as you have a current aids test cert with you. the party will also be filmed. masks provided if you in anyway shy.
Go to [url]www.dieboerse.de[/url] sign in for free and go to parties and scroll down to
'tabuloser A.O. Gangbang' click on Antworten and say you'll be along, I'm sure english will be understood.
There an anal gangbang party also listed in Moers by [url]www.gangbangmaus.de[/url]
And a couple of girls tell me this would also be up your street, so to speak:-
([url]http://www.marina-intim.com[/url]) a Berlin girl and another Homepage devoted to bareback riding ([url]http://www.spassfucktor.de[/url]).
Sorry, guys but for this kind of thing you gotta learn (some) German and learn to navigate your way around german websites.
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[QUOTE=Seabreeze0003]For a first time visitor to Germany who speaks almost no German, only English, is it better to visit FKK's or call independent escorts, or what? I know this will depend on what I am looking for, so a brief description of my desires is: GFE an absolute must (deep french kissing and a lot of it, lots of caressing, etc.), AO (please no lectures. I've already heard it all), BBBJ. Advice as to which cities and where to go in them is greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]
While I wholeheartedly agree with Jackyo that decent German skills pay big dividends when FKKing, I also believe that you can get by just fine with good ole' fashioned English. In fact, you may HAVE to use English if you fancy a nice Romanian or Bulgarian girl who recently got off the bus and has yet to crack open her Duden, Pons or Langenscheidts. There are a number of very good providers in the big clubs who speak little to no German. In addition most of the German gals I know who work in FKKs have decent English. It has been my experience that the Russians, Polish, Letts and Lats do pretty well with German and not so well with English.
Having some German chops might keep you from falling victim to greedy gal's scam, but I run with a number of experienced FKKers who have little to no Deutsch and still do quite well in the clubs.
As to GFE and all that jazz; your best bet is to arm yourself with a few names from reports on this (and other) boards. Even that is no guarantee. A man's gotta be a good judge of character.
I could give you a list of names that provide good GFE for me, but your experience might be different, and my tastes and yours might not be in alignment. Plus there's no certainty that my GFE favs will be working when you go.
Can't help you with the AO stuff. Also, there is a tacit understanding that such specifics are not revealed in most forums.
For what it's worth, here are some of my favorite Hessen GFE highlights:
Oase: Judith (HU), Lina (Slovakia)
Palace: Maria (Bulgaria-I think she is using another name now, but that is what I have always known her by), Monika (Spain, also goes by the name of Baleria)
World: Janine (German), Eva (Romanian)
For the record, none of these gals engage in AO to my experience and knowledge. They are just top notch GFE gals with great attitudes and work ethics. All are doggone cute and sexy (IMHO) and all have a long list of "Stammgäste", and for good reasons.
Good luck,
Dedalus
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Guys apologies for my naivety but what is AO. Looks like everyone is in on the gig except me. I have checked abbreviations, done an internet search and read the reports but I am non the wiser.
Please could someone educate me.
Z
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[QUOTE=Zelatrix]Guys apologies for my naivety but what is AO. Looks like everyone is in on the gig except me. I have checked abbreviations, done an internet search and read the reports but I am non the wiser.
Please could someone educate me.
Z[/QUOTE] AO = Alles ohne. Direct translation "Everything without" = no protection
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[QUOTE=Seabreeze0003]For a first time visitor to Germany who speaks almost no German, only English, is it better to visit FKK's or call independent escorts, or what? I know this will depend on what I am looking for, so a brief description of my desires is: GFE an absolute must (deep french kissing and a lot of it, lots of caressing, etc.), AO (please no lectures. I've already heard it all), BBBJ. Advice as to which cities and where to go in them is greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]Plenty of successful mongers in Germany speak no German. Some of the board's senior members are quite vocal in their opinions (as well as repeated use of the same German words to demonstrate their knowledge). Plenty of people get around just fine in Germany with no German. Many other people travel to mongering countries with no knowledge of the local language and do just fine. Thailand, China and Brazil come to mind. Sure the experience will be richer if you speak the local language, but I've heard of very few men who having visited Thailand wished they hadn't gone because the don't speak Thai. Granted Germany is an industrialized 1st world country, but take what the German crusaders say with a grain of salt. Germany is much easier to handle as a non-German speaker than Thailand, China or Japan are wthout knowledge of the local languages.
I've had few great sessions over the years in Germany where I and the lady spoke no common language. Patience and a good attitude is required for these situations. And some linguistic inventiveness (willingness to try your hand at pidgin communications).
If you willing to drop the AO expectation, the Hessen big 3 FKKs are what you seek, just choose wisely the women you session with. I personally can't image bringing AO upwith a woman at an FKK. I would guess you would need to figure out which women are really desperate for money and kind of stupid. Far more so than the average FKK girl. My radar is not tuned to those frequencies so can't help you. I also think you are likely to get a chilly reception if as a first time guest you bring up the subject.
If AO is what you seek, it sounds like it can be done by non-German speakers. This chap acheived it.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=799400&postcount=62[/url]
Full disclosure, I've never been to this club and think traveling two hours by train from FRA is a bit of a risky proposition for the possibility of AO. But if you must...
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Marlow makes a good point
[QUOTE=Marlow]Agree with Jackyo. Would stick to the bigger clubs around Frankfurt or the Rheinland. Inside a number of girls will speak English (and some no German!), the reception most likely speaks English.
Escorts around Frankfurt will cost you 200 an hour max.
AO is pretty damned hard to find and you need German to do so. I doubt your chances of finding it and when you do you will be asked for a minimum of 150 extra.
For example Freiclub.de lists girls who do, but its in German and you must pay a membership.
but hell, if you want the shortest route to Aids known to man......roll the dice.[/QUOTE]You have to negotiate AO with a chick and that takes communication skills. Or you have to find a way onto her "preferred customer" list in a very short time.
The easier way to find it is to visit clubs which specialize in AO. They do exist.
Two that come to mind are Club La Luna in Moers and Club Tabulos in Moenchengladbach.
I do local Gangbang events here with a group of friends and once in a while the chick will offer AO. Once I wasn't in on her offer and I was quite surprised to see my buddies poking at her uncovered like it was the most normal thing. I like sex but not so much that I'd take that kind of risk.
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[QUOTE=Jackyo]Two that come to mind are Club La Luna in Moers and Club Tabulos in Moenchengladbach.
I do local Gangbang events here with a group of friends and once in a while the chick will offer AO[/QUOTE]Please feel free to write about your Laluna and Tabulos reports! Give us details about the girls you fucked without condom!
I will never tell which girl I fucked without condom or mention places where that is possible!
Kind Regards,
Big30
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The most exclusive FKK?
Which FKK would you guys think is the most exclusive one in Germany that have the best looking girls?
Regards
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AO = Alles ohne. Direct translation "Everything without" = no protection
Cheers Henio
Z
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[QUOTE=Concan]Which FKK would you guys think is the most exclusive one in Germany that have the best looking girls?
Regards[/QUOTE] Personally I would not call any of them exclusive, but of course it depends on your point of reference.
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I am sure there of a lot of places...
[QUOTE=Henio]Personally I would not call any of them exclusive, but of course it depends on your point of reference.[/QUOTE]
... which will gladly take more money out of your wallet so you can say you had an "exclusive" experience.
This doesn't mean though that you would have a better experience or have a better selection than you would visiting a "normal" FKK club, i.e. the ones we describe here.
Paying a higher entrance fee or giving her more money is not going to give you an enhanced experience. There is only just so much a chick can do for you. She can't blow harder, take off more clothes, f__ you more energetically for more money.
You might try visiting those bars oriented to the tourist trade where they ply you with the "buy me a bottlle of champagne and I'll show you a good time" scam if you really feel you need to part with your money that badly.
In fact, I'll gladly help you lighten your load.. ;)
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AO bareback etc
Jackyo mentions two clubs I had overlooked...and I might as well tell you that for a price you can also have sex at Bernd's without a condom. Anal and sandwich with condom are standard at Bernds as is group sex in the room, itself a great experience if you can persuade a fellow traveller to join you (but surprising how reticent men are to be seen having sex!)
This is actually one good reason why Bernd's is so popular among Germans. Nobody talks about it and you rarely have it mentioned on the German forums. It did pop up as a topic about three years ago on Rheinforum and a couple of guys did reveal that Bernd's was the big secret.
The girls who do are known as the Bernd 'crew girls' and it is best to approach this matter with delicacy by asking the girls who does and who doesn't.
They may be offended and tell you nobody does it. The reason being that which girls do is normally shared between the men through the forum message service. And as the girls at Bernd's do come and go you might just hit a period when none are so accommodating.
It is also the reason why some girls won't work at Bernd's. In my time I've had more than one get pretty miffed at me saying I go there as it was well known in the trade as a condom free zone.
Again this was a while back when Bernd's was in its heyday and the current slew of classy FKK clubs were but a dewy dream in a businessman's eye. Back then Bernd's really did attract the best (tabulos) talent and the most men. There was no World, Palace, Oase, Living Room, Golden Time etc etc.
And I hope this does not offend you Bernd fans.
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[QUOTE=Concan]Which FKK would you guys think is the most exclusive one in Germany that have the best looking girls?
Regards[/QUOTE]
I would say F39 is exclusive. No black men are allowed. Before anyone flames me, I asked the desk woman. She claimed it was German only, but seems to be any whites are allowed. I've seen east Asians there as well.
As far as the best looking, I think the forum consensus is Palace, Oase, World and GT. Most mongers have their own opinions as to the order, but those clubs bubble up to the top of most monger's list in terms of appearance of the girls.
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[QUOTE=Marlow]Jackyo mentions two clubs I had overlooked...and I might as well tell you that for a price you can also have sex at Bernd's without a condom. Anal and sandwich with condom are standard at Bernds as is group sex in the room, itself a great experience if you can persuade a fellow traveller to join you (but surprising how reticent men are to be seen having sex!)
This is actually one good reason why Bernd's is so popular among Germans. Nobody talks about it and you rarely have it mentioned on the German forums. It did pop up as a topic about three years ago on Rheinforum and a couple of guys did reveal that Bernd's was the big secret.
The girls who do are known as the Bernd 'crew girls' and it is best to approach this matter with delicacy by asking the girls who does and who doesn't.
They may be offended and tell you nobody does it. The reason being that which girls do is normally shared between the men through the forum message service. And as the girls at Bernd's do come and go you might just hit a period when none are so accommodating.
It is also the reason why some girls won't work at Bernd's. In my time I've had more than one get pretty miffed at me saying I go there as it was well known in the trade as a condom free zone.
Again this was a while back when Bernd's was in its heyday and the current slew of classy FKK clubs were but a dewy dream in a businessman's eye. Back then Bernd's really did attract the best (tabulos) talent and the most men. There was no World, Palace, Oase, Living Room, Golden Time etc etc.
And I hope this does not offend you Bernd fans.[/QUOTE]
OK, I understand why some guys seek it out as everything is a risk calculation and if you have AO sex with a prostitute a couple of times a year, I'm guessing the statistical chances of getting HIV are a fraction of a percent, but can someone explain to me other than financial desparation and a bit of stupidity why women provide this service? As they have sex with far greater frequency than the men, the risks to them are statistically quite a bit higher.
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Always funny to read the postings following an AO info request or an AO report. It is a fact that bareback is awailable in every club. Everywhere you will find women accepting to go bareback with some of their guests.
At LaLuna or at Club Tabulos it is obvious. At all other locations you can get it too, although it is not an official service and nobody talks or writes about it. So Seabreeze003, go to the club you want and ask the women politely if they would do AO with you. I am certain you will find some.
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1st Time
Hi guys,
Pretty good reports here. I sure would like to take part in some of these exciting activities. I am going to travel to Germany (Berlin) for the first time.
As the purpose of this forum, I would like any help I can get to move around, get into some action and make new friends in this country.
I will be traveling from USA sometime in the 2nd week of Feb. If any of you guys are free and would like to catch up for a drink and show me around will be good otherwise just some useful pointers in getting some good action.
In return I will share my experience in other parts of the world ( USA, South America, Asia, middle east, India)
Thank guys
suniman
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[QUOTE=Suniman]Hi guys,
Pretty good reports here. I sure would like to take part in some of these exciting activities. I am going to travel to Germany (Berlin) for the first time.
As the purpose of this forum, I would like any help I can get to move around, get into some action and make new friends in this country.
I will be traveling from USA sometime in the 2nd week of Feb. If any of you guys are free and would like to catch up for a drink and show me around will be good otherwise just some useful pointers in getting some good action.
In return I will share my experience in other parts of the world ( USA, South America, Asia, middle east, India)
Thank guys
suniman[/QUOTE]
Forget about making friends. Go straight to FKK Artemis.
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google earth shots of some clubs
Fkk Oase... [url]http://www.panoramio.com/map/#lt=50.241750&ln=8.676925&z=-1&k=2&a=1&tab=1[/url]
Fkk World... [url]http://www.panoramio.com/map/#lt=50.527468&ln=8.747327&z=-1&k=2&a=1&tab=1[/url]
Goldentime... [url]http://www.panoramio.com/map/#lt=51.263377&ln=6.186942&z=-1&k=2&a=1&tab=1[/url]
Planet Happy Garden... [url]http://www.panoramio.com/map/#lt=51.334030&ln=6.400014&z=-1&k=2&a=1&tab=1[/url]
Flamingo Island.. [url]http://www.panoramio.com/map/#lt=48.938115&ln=8.384655&z=-1&k=2&a=1&tab=1[/url] going to guess its the building with the pool behind it...
Heavensgate... [url]http://www.panoramio.com/map/#lt=51.720668&ln=7.036314&z=0&k=2&a=1&tab=1[/url] note picture on map that allows you to get a front door shot of the club.
Colosseum... [url]http://www.panoramio.com/map/#lt=48.388431&ln=10.864314&z=-1&k=2&a=1&tab=1[/url] haven't been there but going to guess its the place surrounded by all the green....
Samya... [url]http://www.panoramio.com/map/#lt=50.873795&ln=6.992959&z=-1&k=2&a=1&tab=1[/url] look for the yellow awning
Bernds... [url]http://www.panoramio.com/map/#lt=50.739193&ln=7.335010&z=-1&k=2&a=1&tab=1[/url]
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[QUOTE=Suniman]
Pretty good reports here. I sure would like to take part in some of these exciting activities. I am going to travel to Germany (Berlin) for the first time.
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What's the purpose of the trip? Business, pleasure or a mix? If its business and your forced to stay in Berlin, then Artemis is the best (and pretty much only choice). Frankfurt and Dusseldorf has more options...but both are too far to consider driving from Berlin. And from my research on visiting Artemis (on a future trip) you don't need a car since its so close to the airport and there are many hotels in between the airport and the club.
If you have free time, you can fly on ryanair for 10 euro's to dusseldorf weeze airport and back...rent a car and drive south to goldentime. Or fly to frankfurt hahn airport for 10 euro's, rent a car and drive the long drive to oase.
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smart car?
Anybody ever rent one of those cars? Will it fit 2 grown hobbiests who don't care what people think as long as we can get to the club without having to carry the car over our shoulders? They are tiny little things...was told that they come with "Shift paddles" behind the steering wheels that operate a sequential transmission. Wonder how hard it is to use these shift paddles.
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Smart Car
[QUOTE=Breadman]Anybody ever rent one of those cars? Will it fit 2 grown hobbiests who don't care what people think as long as we can get to the club without having to carry the car over our shoulders? They are tiny little things...was told that they come with "Shift paddles" behind the steering wheels that operate a sequential transmission. Wonder how hard it is to use these shift paddles.[/QUOTE]
I rented one last year. Plenty of room for me (5'10"-225). I didn't have any problem driving it, I just didn't like driving it.
It does have a couple of things going for it: good mileage and easy to park.
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Smart Car
[QUOTE=Breadman]Will it fit 2 grown hobbiests[/QUOTE]No problem, as long as you don't have too much luggage (the boot is pretty small)
[QUOTE]was told that they come with "Shift paddles" behind the steering wheels that operate a sequential transmission. Wonder how hard it is to use these shift paddles.[/QUOTE]Don't know if several variants exists. The model I drove had sequential trasmission with automatic shift. You can set it to manual shift (shift stick between seats), but it's really not needed.
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[QUOTE=Breadman]Anybody ever rent one of those cars? Will it fit 2 grown hobbiests who don't care what people think as long as we can get to the club without having to carry the car over our shoulders? They are tiny little things...was told that they come with "Shift paddles" behind the steering wheels that operate a sequential transmission. Wonder how hard it is to use these shift paddles.[/QUOTE] If you are thinking about renting the smart at Sixt, I would also look into Avis Basic ([url]http://www.avis.de/Topangebote/Avis-Basic[/url]). It is about the same deal (give or take few euros), but Avis basic will actually get you a 4/5 seater (Seat Ibiza or comparable). Same deal with the 100km a day limit. These deals are good for 1 or 2 day trips
For a 3 day weekend deal, Hertz has the best offer [url]https://www.hertz.de/rentacar/specialoffers/index.jsp?targetPage=D_Airport_Special.jsp&Category=K&TabLink=tlink1[/url].
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[QUOTE=Henio]If you are thinking about renting the smart at Sixt, I would also look into Avis Basic ([url]http://www.avis.de/Topangebote/Avis-Basic[/url]). It is about the same deal (give or take few euros), but Avis basic will actually get you a 4/5 seater (Seat Ibiza or comparable). Same deal with the 100km a day limit. These deals are good for 1 or 2 day trips
For a 3 day weekend deal, Hertz has the best offer [url]https://www.hertz.de/rentacar/specialoffers/index.jsp?targetPage=D_Airport_Special.jsp&Category=K&TabLink=tlink1[/url].[/QUOTE]
I was looking into renting for an entire week. Sixti offers either a smart car or a ford fiesta for 149 euro's (but their service fee page says they tack on 19% at airports). Was given the Avis basic website, their rate is slightly higher at 163 euro's...a big charge is adding an extra driver. 15 per day on avis compared to 3 per day at sixti.
So in the end, cost's look to be about the same with the bigger car being given by Avis.
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Messe website?
Can someone post the link to the frankfurt messe website?
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[QUOTE=Breadman]Can someone post the link to the frankfurt messe website?[/QUOTE]
[url]www.messefrankfurt.com[/url]
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[QUOTE=Breadman]I was looking into renting for an entire week. Sixti offers either a smart car or a ford fiesta for 149 euro's (but their service fee page says they tack on 19% at airports). Was given the Avis basic website, their rate is slightly higher at 163 euro's...a big charge is adding an extra driver. 15 per day on avis compared to 3 per day at sixti.
So in the end, cost's look to be about the same with the bigger car being given by Avis.[/QUOTE] In that case, I would suggest you check out [url]www.economycarrentals.com[/url]. F.ex. 185 euros for a VW polo for a week. CDW with no excess and one extra driver included and unlimited milage. Have used them in the past, are good when doing longer rentals, but usually do not beat the weekend deals.
It is an agent so you wont know which rental company you end up with. When booking through them in the past, I have often ended up with Sixt, but once I ended up getting a car from Dollar which is kind of a pain since you will have to take a shuttle bus to the location that is about 15 minutes drive down the A5.
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Mongering map
[QUOTE=Breadman]Fkk Oase... [url]http://www.panoramio.com/map/#lt=50.241750&ln=8.676925&z=-1&k=2&a=1&tab=1[/url]
Fkk World... [url]http://www.panoramio.com/map/#lt=50.527468&ln=8.747327&z=-1&k=2&a=1&tab=1[/url]
Goldentime... [url]http://www.panoramio.com/map/#lt=51.263377&ln=6.186942&z=-1&k=2&a=1&tab=1[/url]
Planet Happy Garden... [url]http://www.panoramio.com/map/#lt=51.334030&ln=6.400014&z=-1&k=2&a=1&tab=1[/url]
Flamingo Island.. [url]http://www.panoramio.com/map/#lt=48.938115&ln=8.384655&z=-1&k=2&a=1&tab=1[/url] going to guess its the building with the pool behind it...
Heavensgate... [url]http://www.panoramio.com/map/#lt=51.720668&ln=7.036314&z=0&k=2&a=1&tab=1[/url] note picture on map that allows you to get a front door shot of the club.
Colosseum... [url]http://www.panoramio.com/map/#lt=48.388431&ln=10.864314&z=-1&k=2&a=1&tab=1[/url] haven't been there but going to guess its the place surrounded by all the green....
Samya... [url]http://www.panoramio.com/map/#lt=50.873795&ln=6.992959&z=-1&k=2&a=1&tab=1[/url] look for the yellow awning
Bernds... [url]http://www.panoramio.com/map/#lt=50.739193&ln=7.335010&z=-1&k=2&a=1&tab=1[/url][/QUOTE]
Nice views. I try to enter all those clubs into [url=http://www.openstreetmap.org]OpenStreetMap[/url] as amenity=brothel, wiith help from Yahoo imagery when available. I think I could identify all of them but:
Heavensgate: where is it exactly, maybe the green approximately square area just north-est of the car picture?
Colosseum: I guess it's the multistorey (large shadow) building in line with two of the reservoir tanks, just across the railway, with well delimited park places along the left side. Could anyone in the know confirm, or otherwise point me to the right building?
Any help is appreciated, together we can turn OpenStreetMap into the base for the ultimate freely distributable mongering map!
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[QUOTE=Breadman]Does anyone know if any of the clubs show the superbowl or remember a club having it on last year? I know that by the time the game actually starts it would be close to 2am in Germany...but its possible it might be rebroadcast the next day.[/QUOTE]
Hey Bread,
I have often watched the big game at World in the Relax Zone. It will probably be on again. Just remind Ruth or whoever is working downstairs that it is Super Bowl Sunday and she'll turn the big screen to that station.
I remember a few years ago watching Pittsburgh dough-pop Seattle down there. I passed on the half-time show in favor of other half-time festivities with Daniela in the Kino.
Cheers,
Dedalus
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AO and the best lookers
Villa Vertigo certainly advertises some of the best lookers and for my money is way way the best website I have ever seen for an FKK club. Great blogs and updates and a fine healthy attitude.
Why girls offer the Anal ohne service - no idea if we are talking about their health. But as they don't do this job on doctor's advice the answer is simple - demand. It's pretty much sought after and not much talked about, just like a man's self-appreciation habit. In the early days of Eastern Europe opening up it was the reason sex tourism from Germany boomed like a gold rush. Also in these states anal sex was/is often practiced as a form of contraception. So many girls were experienced in this department and thought nothing of offering it or even asking more money.
Anal sex is probably less practiced these days, due to widely available contraception. Whereas in many (Catholic) countries such as France in the fifties and sixties is was the only sure way of having fun without risking pregnancy.
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[QUOTE=Marlow]Why girls offer the Anal ohne service - no idea if we are talking about their health. But as they don't do this job on doctor's advice the answer is simple - demand.[/QUOTE]
There are probably 4 reasons why some girls offer Anal Ohne:
1. Demand, as you say although this probably comes from No. 2
2. This is the only way that they can earn money as they cannot compete any other way with the younger/more attractive girls. I've met a few girls in clubs that fit this category.
3. They don't think that there is much chance of catching a disease.
4. They already have a disease so don't need to worry about it and don't care about the chances of passing this on to other men and the sunsequent women they session with.
I know that I have probably had sessions with women who have had condoms burst on them when sessioning with other men or who, maybe, do AO but it's not something that I will be trying. It's just not worth the risk.
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[QUOTE=Concan]Which FKK would you guys think is the most exclusive one in Germany that have the best looking girls?
Regards[/QUOTE]
FKK Oase in Burgholzhausen advertises itself as "der grosste & exclusivste FKK club der welt!"
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[QUOTE=Gattonero]Colosseum: I guess it's the multistorey (large shadow) building in line with two of the reservoir tanks, just across the railway, with well delimited park places along the left side. Could anyone in the know confirm, or otherwise point me to the right building?
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Yes, that's ColA.
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Toe curling and Kino BJs
Anyone else do this?
When getting a really, really good slow Kino BJ, I like to curl and uncurl my toes just add to the overall sensation. It works best in Kinos where you can stretch out in a semi prone position (i.e.: Palace with the levels as opposed to Oase with the couches). I like when an especially talented lady is between my outstretched legs driving me to extasy while I slowly curl and uncurl my toes and contemplate how wonderful life is.
If not, you should try it some time.
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anal
@warsteiner -
agree with you. The specialists tend to be older, though many under thirty escort girls do offer it. Out of my experience I would say that exactly what anal amounts to depends on the girl. For some its a con and penetration is actually frustrated (and they still want the money) others enjoy it (as did some ex-girlfriends) and one older club woman demanded a double condom approach. The last was truly bizarre. Come to think of it my wierdest experiences have always involved sex. Is there something wrong with me, doctor?
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[QUOTE=Warsteiner]2. This is the only way that they can earn money as they cannot compete any other way with the younger/more attractive girls. I've met a few girls in clubs that fit this category.[/QUOTE]
And I've met quite a few girls that to belong into the category "Top Acts" (looks- and performance-wise) and do nevertheless offer straight sex and anal without condom. And with no extra charge (I mean for leaving the condom in their purse).
HB
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Men with Balls
[quote=dedalus]hey bread,
i have often watched the big game at world in the relax zone. it will probably be on again. just remind ruth or whoever is working downstairs that it is super bowl sunday and she'll turn the big screen to that station.
i remember a few years ago watching pittsburgh dough-pop seattle down there. i passed on the half-time show in favor of other half-time festivities with daniela in the kino.
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and i've watched nba playoff games and world cup soccer at oase. i remember thinking how strange we guys are. a building full of naked women waiting to have sex with us and we spend hours in a brothel watching men in shorts play with balls. the world cup was particularly bizarre. they set up a big screen outside near the food hut and all of us sat there watching the game while all the ladies were arrayed on the lounge chairs in their naked glory peeved at the lack of attention. it must be a guy thing.
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[quote=iseeu]and i've watched nba playoff games and world cup soccer at oase. i remember thinking how strange we guys are. a building full of naked women waiting to have sex with us and we spend hours in a brothel watching men in shorts play with balls. the world cup was particularly bizarre. they set up a big screen outside near the food hut and all of us sat there watching the game while all the ladies were arrayed on the lounge chairs in their naked glory peeved at the lack of attention. it must be a guy thing.[/quote]
@ world, i remember watching the euro final between germany & spain & all the men (including myself) were watching the game. the relaxzone was too full so i went outside & barely found a seat in the soccer tent. before the game, guys were wearing german towels, stickers, big national flags & blowing horns non-stop! a group of 6-8 guys were waving huge flags inside an fkk! even the ha staff were in full force watching the game. i figured this would be a great time to find a woman, but the crazy soccer fan atmosphere was exciting.
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Perhaps one of the most unfortunate names in Deutschland?
Sorry I couldn't help a wry smile when I was watch Eurosport earlier today and on the screen came the name of one of Germany's star ski-jumpers:
Andreas Wank.
What can I say...
Do you think he knows what most English-speakers think of when they hear/read his name?
Ortos
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We are way off topic here, Ortos, but the best name I ever found was on a building-site billboard in Istanbul. The Chief Engineer was called Mustafa Kunt. My thoughts entirely.
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Worried Fat Bastard
I'm going to Berlin in April, and will likely make a visit to Artemis. But I'm a bit self-conscious, because I'm rather obese. Not orca-fat or walruss-fat, but certainly more than merely chubby with a BMI of around 33.
How many punters my size usually visit an FKK on a regular night? What is the ratio? Are "we" generally treated with respect, or is it hard for "us" to hook up with the same quality girls as regular blokes do? Will we have to go for second-best?
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The best of the best in NRW
The RF (the Rhein version, natch) finalized their count of votes for the [i]Rheinische Blaskoenigin von 2008[/i].
Here is the top ten:
Mahe at Babylon
Katja at Schieferhof
Ewa at Blue Note
Celine at Roonstrasse, Koeln
Mandy at Babylon
Monika at AC/K
Ranja at Samya
Mara at Schieferhof
Nina at Agentur Caro (she is the former Laura at Babylon)
Simone at Koeln-Rodenkirchen
The list is long and I'm printing it out and bringing it with me the next time I am there. I have Mandy from Babylon on a to-do list based on reports I've read plus her photos on their website.
It also does a count at the bottom of which NRW clubs were named the most.
The Number One NRW club named: The Hof! It makes me want to sing: "Let's go to the Hof, oh baby! Let's go to the Hof!"
Here is the rest of the club list:
Samya
Babylon
Blue Note
Agentur Caro
Traumparadies
Club M
Freude 39
Goldentime
Residenz
Nylon Cafe
This gives you a flavor also for the preferences of the locals (tying to a discussion we've been having elsewhere).
Where do the large NRW clubs rank here, you might ask? Why is GT ranked so low? Why no PHG? What about Dolce Vita on Briedestrasse in DUS, the tourist trap?
Local tastes are quite different from those of the tourists. I think this is clear. The [i]Einhemische[/i] stick with what they know and don't go running around the countryside dropping in on clubs they aren't familiar with.
If you read the RF posts enough, they refer a lot to session money being [i]gut angelegt[/i], in other words, well invested not simply just spent.
The mindset is different: you invest money in the object of your lust and aspire to [i]Stammkunde[/i] status. There is a relationship aspect to this style of hobbying.
As our Gallic counterparts would say: [i]Il n'y a que l'embarrass du choix[/i]. There are a ton of small NRW clubs named here, some of which I've not been to, most of which aren't even visited by ISG Forumers since they stick with the large [i]Grenzgebietclubs[/i] when they drive up from Hessen.
My personal number one BJ provider? Marion who is a denizen of the PT scene having made appearances at PT Dolce Vita, PT Osnabrueck and PT Dorsten. It is a well known fact that I am not into BJs but I will make an exception for her. She does it with [i]Gefuehl und Liebe[/i]. No [i]Zahneinsatz[/i] whatsoever. [i]Schmerzfrei[/i]!
My [i]liebe Svenja[/i] only made it to number 22 on this list! I need to take a trip soon to console her.
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Cheers Jackyo.
I will put Ranja on my to do list for my next Samya visit.
Z
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@Charles Brown
I've been to all the major clubs and a number of smaller ones. I've seen all sizes and shapes. So, don't be concerned. As for ratios I couldn't say, it depends on the night, but really, no-one cares.
As for the girls, so long as you have Euros and treat them with respect, look after your personal hygiene etc, then they will happily session with you and treat you with respect.
Have fun, let us know about your adventures in FKK land.
DT
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Over weight punters in clubs
[QUOTE=Charles Browne]I'm going to Berlin in April, and will likely make a visit to Artemis. But I'm a bit self-conscious, because I'm rather obese. Not orca-fat or walruss-fat, but certainly more than merely chubby with a BMI of around 33.
How many punters my size usually visit an FKK on a regular night? What is the ratio? Are "we" generally treated with respect, or is it hard for "us" to hook up with the same quality girls as regular blokes do? Will we have to go for second-best?[/QUOTE]
Hey Charles Browne,
Have a blast in Artemis. I have been 4 times but have not managed to make it more as I more enarmored of the FKKs of Frankfurt Main and Saunaclubs of Nord Rhein Westfalen. Read the Artemis forum for the ladies to look out for and read up on the facilities and what you should do.
Also from where I come from the flights to Berlin are much more expensive but then I lose the cheapness of the flights to FFM and NRW in land transfers whereas Berlin airports are linked by train in the main.
Do not worry about how short, tall, skinny or large that you are or if you have a huge schwanz or less than average sized schwanz. Nor does it matter if you are Asian, African or Caucasian in origin or if you believe in God, Allah, Krishna, the Tao, Jainism, or other religion. The girls are used to taking all and sundry as customers. Either the girls will ask you or they are more than happy to be asked by you and will actually be thrilled that they do not have to go sell themselves to find a customer.
I have a BMI of 30 (I'm fat too) and I waddle around in my towel like the tall giant and well built Scandinavian Gods that come from Sweden that frequent the club. Hey, if I can score with the ladies then anyone can.
Its the euros in your valuables locker that the girls will purr over rather than if you have a muscle bound hide. A girl will look at it that you will be a gentle and kind customer not prone to bang her muschi for 30 minutes non stop whereas the younger and fitter more brash ones will be more demanding and want to perform each position of the kama sutra from cover to cover in their 30 minutes. This means the girls will target you over some of the more well built customers to avoid that situation.
You will find that you have much in common with the pretty much middle aged crowd that have gone to seed. You do not say if you are young, middle aged or veteran in age so I am talking in generalisations.
In general in the FFM clubs there tends to be more the veteran customers during the day time but at night time the more younger and middle aged customers come along. Others please correct me but that is my observation. As you can appreciate amongst all these customers there are the usual out of shape men.
Please do go and make sure you take notes written or mentally to report back here on this forum. This forum is about sharing and paying it forward for the future generations.
Cheers,
Basketcase
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[QUOTE=Charles Browne]I'm going to Berlin in April, and will likely make a visit to Artemis. But I'm a bit self-conscious, because I'm rather obese. Not orca-fat or walruss-fat, but certainly more than merely chubby with a BMI of around 33.
How many punters my size usually visit an FKK on a regular night? What is the ratio? Are "we" generally treated with respect, or is it hard for "us" to hook up with the same quality girls as regular blokes do? Will we have to go for second-best?[/QUOTE]
Don't give it a second thought. I'm a bit of a fat bastard myself and it has never been an issue.
Frankly, the women won't even notice your size. In their eyes, all they see is a giant 50 Euro note with three legs.
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Tripods
[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]
Frankly, the women won't even notice your size. In their eyes, all the see is a giant 50 Euro note with three legs.[/QUOTE]
Ekliges Lauern,
You make an interesting point about three legs. The euphemnistic term I read on the German forum where they refer to themselves is as tripods or three legs as you say. For example, the German writer will say "I went to the club at 5pm and there were many tripods present and not many models. Egal."
That always cracks me up.
Londonbasketcase
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The term is..
[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase]Ekliges Lauern,
You make an interesting point about three legs. The euphemnistic term I read on the German forum where they refer to themselves is as tripods or three legs as you say. For example, the German writer will say "I went to the club at 5pm and there were many tripods present and not many models. Egal."
That always cracks me up.
Londonbasketcase[/QUOTE]
.. Dreibeiner, in case anyone wants to know.
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Proof positive
[quote= Nauseating Lurking]There is another senior monger, who tells us over and over again that the real Germans prefer the smaller service oriented clubs.[/quote]
An RF survey of locals based in NRW does not list the touristy NRW clubs which feature most prominently in this forum.
[post]842614[/post]
So I am not making this up. In other words, the most hardcore natives, the guys who post most often on their local NRW forum,visit the smaller, more service-oriented clubs.
There are distinct differences in taste.
I hang out with RF guys when I visit and since they know the "lay of the land" better than I do, I will ask them for advice.
Once in a while they will say to me: "See that chick with the frizzy red hair, freckles, buck teeth and glasses? She is awesome."
I go: "What?!"
Then they will go: "Her service is impeccable. Trust us on this."
I will search Boom's FFM Forum and see if they have an equivalent survey. I don't visit it often as I am not an FFM fan.
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[QUOTE=Jackyo].. Dreibeiner, in case anyone wants to know.[/QUOTE]
I guess that would be the equivalent of "a sausage party", as in, Artemis was a real sausage party last time I went.
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Atekliges Lauern, Basketcase & Dick Travel. Thank you all for replying and for stilling my fears. I will now walk into Artemis with a lighter heart!
I shall do my best to take some notes and share my experiences with you. I've have eight "encounters" before, so am not a complete newbie to the hobby, but this will be my first visit to Artemis.
AtBasketcase: Are you from Sweden by any chance? I live not far from Gothenburg, so for me it would be cheaper to travel to Frankfurt as well. Ryanair
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@Charles Browne
[QUOTE=Charles Browne]Atekliges Lauern, Basketcase & Dick Travel. Thank you all for replying and for stilling my fears. I will now walk into Artemis with a lighter heart!
I shall do my best to take some notes and share my experiences with you. I've have eight "encounters" before, so am not a complete newbie to the hobby, but this will be my first visit to Artemis.
AtBasketcase: Are you from Sweden by any chance? I live not far from Gothenburg, so for me it would be cheaper to travel to Frankfurt as well. Ryanair[/QUOTE]
@Charles Browne,
Yes please go into FKK Artemis with a light heart and a heavy wallet and spend the wedge on the ladies and report back here whether you enjoyed it or not.
If you have been to the FKKs of Frankfurt then you will be well prepared for the FKK Artemis that is 3 floors of naked ladies.
There are a number of writers from Sweden on this board. To protect the innocent I shall leave them to identify themselves to you via PM. They too fly in from Sweden to Frankfurt Hahn (means cock in German - hahaha) or Berlin schoenfeld with Ryanair taking advantage of the 1 cent air fares. I mean for €1 you an get 100 flights but the times are not conducive to weekend trips.
There is even a Swedes only forum on German FKKs. Maybe one of the members can invite you to join it.
Read my trip reports from 2008 whereby I explain the logistics of how I get to Frankfurt Hahn and take the bus and train to FKK Oase, FKK World and FKK Palace. These are the so called Hesse big three and alll give Artemis in Berlin a run for its money in terms of line up and facilities.
Have a great time in Berlin - remember to do some sight seeing and not fuck the entire time. You will need to explain to someone why you are there in Berlin and did not take any photos or you can do what I do which is buy postcards at the airport before you leave for home. I spent most of my time in Berlin fucking I am sorry to be saying.
Kind regards
Basketcase
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[QUOTE=Jackyo]An RF survey of locals based in NRW does not list the touristy NRW clubs which feature most prominently in this forum.
[post]842614[/post]
So I am not making this up.[/QUOTE]
You should also mention the vast number of guys who visit the small local clubs who have no idea about the other clubs in the area. I remember the guy at dorsten partytreff who had no idea that fkk heavensgate was a short 15 minute walk down the street. Or the guy I met at Oase who saw an advertisement and was amazed he was living so close to such a large club.
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The RF guys though...
[QUOTE=Breadman]You should also mention the vast number of guys who visit the small local clubs who have no idea about the other clubs in the area. I remember the guy at dorsten partytreff who had no idea that fkk heavensgate was a short 15 minute walk down the street. Or the guy I met at Oase who saw an advertisement and was amazed he was living so close to such a large club.[/QUOTE]
... who voted in this survey are the best informed of the locals.
The reason I say this is that you weren't allowed to vote unless you had a minimum number of posts.
Guys were posting their first, second and third choices and members of the survey committee were stepping and saying: "Sorry. You aren't qualified to vote."
This was specifically to exclude shills and others who were otherwise trying to stuff the ballot box plus, of course, pure [i]ahnungslose[/i] newbies who had no basis for comparison.
Speaking of the RF (the Rhein version), they now have a chat feature. Try it when you have time.
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[QUOTE=Jackyo]Guys were posting their first, second and third choices and members of the survey committee were stepping and saying: "Sorry. You aren't qualified to vote."[/QUOTE]
Sounds like a rigged election to me.
Seriously, I'm still waiting for an explanation for how HB can like big Hessen clubs and be a real German at the same time.
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[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]Sounds like a rigged election to me.
Seriously, I'm still waiting for an explanation for how HB can like big Hessen clubs and be a real German at the same time.[/QUOTE]
About HB favouring the Hessen clubs: I am just guessing but maybe one difference between him and others who tend to knock the Big 3 is: HB actually visits the clubs on a regular basis within the past couple of years? Maybe that is it...?
Ortos
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Rigged election?
[QUOTE=Nauseating Lurking]Sounds like a rigged election to me.
Seriously, I'm still waiting for an explanation for how HB can like big Hessen clubs and be a real German at the same time.[/QUOTE]
As I've said, its all the same to me. Each one should come to his/her own conclusions.
The point is that there is different approach taken to the hobby there.
I don't think tourists should be wandering around the countryside anyway dropping in on these smaller non-tourist oriented clubs. This forum fulfills its purpose by keeping them on the beaten path. Let's not change things.
One only has to look at the activity under the World, Palace and Oase threads to see where the average ISGer spends his time and money.
Throwing this information out there isn't going to change things. Which is fine.
I will discourage anyone from visiting Bernds, Samya, etc.. if they are looking for the kind of experiences they find at the larger clubs. If you are happy with those clubs, stick with them. You will only be disappointed.
When I find an equivalent survey on Booms FFM Forum (the regional forum for Hessen), then we will know what the [i]Einheimische[/i] in Hessen really think.
Problem is that there isn't quite the plethora of clubs in Hessen as there are in NRW.
Come to think of it, the Germans might be quite surprised to read about which clubs ISGers visit the most.
[quote=Ortos]About HB favouring the Hessen clubs: I am just guessing but maybe one difference between him and others who tend to knock the Big 3 is: HB actually visits the clubs on a regular basis within the past couple of years? Maybe that is it...?[/quote]
I'm not questioning HB's credibility but the logic behind this is similar to the Woody Allen quote:
"All men are mortal. Socrates was a man. Therefore all men are Socrates. "
Been there, done that.
If someone will fund my next visits to the Hessen 3 (why would I want to spend my own money on this?), I will gladly take them up on their offer the next time I am stranded in FFM waiting for a flight. I'm not into visiting a large club where the chances are high that I will leave it [i]ungepoppt[/i] despite the large selection (I have done this by the way).
The constant pacing, the not-very-subtle marketing efforts of the women, the thumping techno or pop music. It drives me nuts.
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@Basketcase
[QUOTE=Basketcase]There is even a Swedes only forum on German FKKs. Maybe one of the members can invite you to join it.[/QUOTE]Thank you Basketcase!
Note to other Swedes: Please?
Is there a separate board for discussion about La Folie on Kaiser Friedrich Strasse? Or does that go under "Other FKK clubs"? That is the only FKK I've visited.
Would someone be interested in a report from five years ago?
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[QUOTE=Ortos]About HB favouring the Hessen clubs: I am just guessing but maybe one difference between him and others who tend to knock the Big 3 is: HB actually visits the clubs on a regular basis within the past couple of years? Maybe that is it...?
Ortos[/QUOTE]
Looks do count. So, does your ability to charm the ladies. Sometimes we seem to forget that the ladies do think beyond the 50E. HB has both.
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Transferred from Pohlheim....
[QUOTE=Nick The G]That is an easy experiment! Only 12 month and we know if it will be true or not!
My prophecy for 2010: there will be no significant differences in 12 month! Why?
Because there are already enough sex-junkies, "idiots" :) who like to spent money for fucking. If it is not the germans in the clubs, it will be the dutch or english or americans or italians, or it will be people from Russia, China, Japan or the arabic countries.[/QUOTE]You may be right, Nick. That's half the fun. Hope for all of us that I am, though. To quote that well-known fornicator: "Schauen mir 'mal!" ;-)
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Again from Pohlheim
[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]Dude, that is harsh. So basically your thesis is to root for more economic distress as it motivates better service in women? I wouldn't want to work for you as an employee.[/QUOTE]The economic stress is there without my rooting for it. If in due course it is alleviated (I can't do it alone ;-)), I shall have to deal with that too. Do not misunderstand me. I am an observer. It's my right, as a very good customer, and countless FKK managements and girls would agree! Please note that I am not calling for price reductions, even if they may happen; it's fair service for a fair price that I seek, for you as well as for me.
[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]Seriously, I prefer to see rising wages and living standards for all. If that leads to higher wage demands from prostitutes, so be it. In my world, I'm richer so I can deal with it. Cheering a recessions for its effects on the mongers market is just plain sick.[/QUOTE]Don't we all want rising standards? You're being a bit too moralistic with me, but fear not, you are not an employee of mine :-). If you interpreted my remark about the effect of recessions as willing them on, then I apologize. I was failing to be funny. But the recession is here, whether you or I want rising standards or not. I can't will it on, whether I want to or not. And it will have effects, one of which may be the influx of different girls with a less spoilt approach. And I would welcome that, unashamedly.
[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]Question to consider: if you could, would you double the per capita income in Thailand and alieviate poverty? Would you do it even knowing the monger prices would double? If you answer no, well, you and I disagree pretty fundamentally on what is important in life.[/QUOTE]In principle I understand where you are coming from. I repeat, I am just an observer; I cannot move anything, beyond the microcosm of a room session at any rate, when I can cut it all short if dissatisfied. But the effects on Thai GDP of my miserable EUR 50 half-hour are strictly limited, I fear. Unfortunately doubling the income of Thai prostitutes would probably only increase the wealth of stacked shoes manufacturers anyway.... Sorry, not your type of humour, I know, but some others may be more forgiving.
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@charles browne
[QUOTE=Charles Browne]
Is there a separate board for discussion about La Folie on Kaiser Friedrich Strasse? Or does that go under "Other FKK clubs"? That is the only FKK I've visited.
Would someone be interested in a report from five years ago?[/QUOTE]
Hi,
I believe you'll find posts on La Folie under the thread Europe>Germany>Berlin.
(Germany as opposed to Germany-Fkk Clubs)
5 yrs ago, sure go for it, makes for interesting comparisons for thos who attend currently.
DT
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[QUOTE=Charles Browne]Would someone be interested in a report from five years ago?[/QUOTE]
Well, we have been taking a stroll down memory lane in the World thread, so why not.
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[QUOTE=Akibono]Looks do count. So, does your ability to charm the ladies. Sometimes we seem to forget that the ladies do think beyond the 50E. HB has both.[/QUOTE]
Hey, you make me blush .... ;-)
Actually I do know a bunch of Germans preferring the big clubs, but also German folks preferring the smaller clubs, so I don't think it's a matter of nationality.
HB
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[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]Hey, you make me blush .... ;-)
Actually I do know a bunch of Germans preferring the big clubs, but also German folks preferring the smaller clubs, so I don't think it's a matter of nationality.
HB[/QUOTE]
Hey Sexy,
Actually I also know quite a few Germans who seem to gravitate to the bigger clubs. It is interesting to hear a number of locals complain about that same thing that Marlow has in another thread. That foreigners have ruined the FKK scene. I'm guessing that 60 to 70 % of the Germans that I meet and talk to in the clubs start in on this song when talking to me. Odd since as you know, I do not sound as though I was born in Hanover, but several of these guys freely unload their displeasure at how us foreigners have spoilt the girls and helped ruin the scene.
Cheers,
Dedalus
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[QUOTE=Dedalus]Actually I also know quite a few Germans who seem to gravitate to the bigger clubs.[/QUOTE]By contrast, it is surprising just how many locals at the small clubs at the far edges of the republic have never even heard of the big clubs in Hessen. I don't tell them too much, because I want them to continue to keep the smaller clubs I enjoy well-supported. ;-) ("Yeah, they're not bad, the odd good-looker here or there on the rare good day. But weisst Du, you get hassled by all these sharks and scammers out to overcharge you and skimping on the service, and then there are all these foreigners spoiling everything for us anyway, you best stick around here, Hans-Hermann....")
On the other topic, I agree that the Germans do have some grounds for complaint as to the watering effect of foreigners on standards. That's why I always plead for us to abide by their usances (e.g. generally no tipping). But they are famous for complaining about almost everything. There are a good number of clubs along the French border which would be long gone without the French customers keeping them afloat and enticing a better quality of provider into the bargain. And where would GT be without the Dutch? OK, better not answer that one :-) :-)
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[QUOTE=Dedalus]how us foreigners have spoilt the girls and helped ruin the scene.[/QUOTE]
Marlow has made the point:
[QUOTE=Marlow]Mongers come to Germany because there is no other country in the world that can boast a similar standard or style. Yet they have succeeded in bringing with them the same low standards from which they are trying to escape. That to me is the downside of tourism the world over, whether you are at World's beach club or sitting on a beach in Spain or Cancun.
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Foreigners are willing to accept lower standards (covered blow jobs, no DFK etc.) and on the other hand higher prices (100 EUR for a "nice half hour"). And newbies do not inform themselves about the pricing structure when entering a club. Can't blame one of the girls to be willing to accept 500 EUR for an hour if offered by a messe guest.
HB
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[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]
Foreigners are willing to accept lower standards (covered blow jobs, no DFK etc.) and on the other hand higher prices (100 EUR for a "nice half hour"). And newbies do not inform themselves about the pricing structure when entering a club. Can't blame one of the girls to be willing to accept 500 EUR for an hour if offered by a messe guest.
HB[/QUOTE]
As a guilty outsider, DFK is not a deal breaker for me. I enjoy it, but I wouldn't let it keep me from banging a hot babe. Covered BJ's, outrageous. I would walk out.
I have never paid 100E for a gfe session or dfk & etc. The girl will only receive 100E 30minutes for cim. I do not agree with the people who are willing to pay an extra 50E for kissing, but I do not rip those guys either.
Tipping? Ridiculous! I show my appreciation with CIM, longer sessions or multiple sessions.
I did admit there was a strong possibility I would have paid 50E while waiting for a room with Zarina during the xmas party @ World. I usually do not condone this form of hustle, but traveling as far as I do & only 50E seperates me from a session with Zarina then I think it would be worth it. If I lived in Germany, then zero chance of it happening.
500E for 1 hour! I would pay 2,000E to session with Kayden Kross.
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Do you need to pay extra for covered blowjob ? t artemis for ex.?
Is it something the girls don't like or what?
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waiting in line
@Vito - She really tried that on...and you stumped up. Is World full of bottom feeders, or what? (I mean the tottie).
Must remember to avoid World in future.
One of the delights of Bernd's parties is enjoying a long and satisfying blow job while standing in the corridor waiting for a room to be free, or for lack of space joining another couple on a bed and ending up in a foursome. And no extra charge.
Roll on Feb 19th.
(Or am I remembering the good old days which no longer apply, as my betters keep telling me - smile, I'm teasing)
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Extra?
[QUOTE=Tuxsmasher]Do you need to pay extra for covered blowjob ? t artemis for ex.?
Is it something the girls don't like or what?[/QUOTE]
Nope. BBBJ is the standard though and it is included (unless you are in Bayern in which case it would be illegal).
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Not only Bayern
[QUOTE=Jackyo]Nope. BBBJ is the standard though and it is included (unless you are in Bayern in which case it would be illegal).[/QUOTE]BBBJ isn't standard in Hamburg either, at least not in Atmos, where it was 20 Euros extra, for those who offered it. I think I've read a report about another FKK club in the north (Bremen?) where they allegedly didn't do BBBJ at all.
As there are fewer FKK clubs in the north than in NRW and Hessen, this may have something to do with lack of competition.
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KLM airlines...frankfurt to boston
Was running some random airports thru kayak.com and found KLM is offering roundtrip tickets to Boston for 185 euro's. So if you are looking for a cheap flight to get a bunch of airmiles here's your chance.
fyi boston to frankfurt is almost 3 times this rate.
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thar she blows....
......not in Northern Germany nor Southern. The great hunched female of the species that eats you as if she is devouring plankton is more numerous in the Rhineland.
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Schwere Sturmböen
[QUOTE=Marlow]......not in Northern Germany nor Southern. The great hunched female of the species that eats you as if she is devouring plankton is more numerous in the Rhineland.[/QUOTE]
Hey Marlow,
In this part if D'land a female named Mother Nature is blowing like crazy. Looks like some heavy weather this weekend for Gents on Tour.
Cheers,
Dedalus
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[QUOTE=Dedalus]Hey Marlow,
In this part if D'land a female named Mother Nature is blowing like crazy. Looks like some heavy weather this weekend for Gents on Tour.
Cheers,
Dedalus[/QUOTE]
I know - I just drove through the Sour valley... it was scary, with even the Deutsche nutcases in the BorgMobiles taking it easy.
Now in the Etap and looking forward to some Oase, World and a whole lot a Rosie!
Are you not answering your mail D?
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[QUOTE=Mike De H]I know - I just drove through the Sour valley... it was scary, with even the Deutsche nutcases in the BorgMobiles taking it easy.
Now in the Etap and looking forward to some Oase, World and a whole lot a Rosie!
Are you not answering your mail D?[/QUOTE]
Hey Mikey,
Of course I am. Did I miss one of yours?
Cheers,
Dedalus
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Line up list at Oase and World - who is Rosie?
[QUOTE=Mike De H] Now in the Etap and looking forward to some Oase, World and a whole lot a Rosie! [/QUOTE]
Guten Tag Herr De H,
Please check the line up lists on the Oase thread and on the World thread. There is no Rosie working at this time that is known. Can you explain or describe a bit more of Rosie?
Is she blond or brunette? Is she slim or average build? What nationality and breast size? Any detail that you can provide may pinpoint this Rosie that you are looking for.
Gruss,
Basketcase
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[QUOTE=Basketcase]Guten Tag Herr De H,
Please check the line up lists on the Oase thread and on the World thread. There is no Rosie working at this time that is known. Can you explain or describe a bit more of Rosie?
Is she blond or brunette? Is she slim or average build? What nationality and breast size? Any detail that you can provide may pinpoint this Rosie that you are looking for.
Gruss,
Basketcase[/QUOTE]
Hey Mikey,
The man's too young to recall AC/DC.
Rosie's the one who:
When it comes to lovin'
Oh she steals the show
She ain't exactly pretty
Ain't exactly small
Forty-two, thirty-nine, fifty-six
You could say she's got it all
Ain't no fairy story
Ain't no skin and bone
But you give it all you got
Weighing in at nineteen stone
Just Mikey-Boy's Type! ;-)))
A mutual buddy of ours might have collected a few possibilities for ya a few weeks ago. One was a real Orca.
By the way, Mikey. That Bulgarian girl at World that you were over the moon about? Worthless!! Dull as dirt, my friend.
Cheers,
Dedalus
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[QUOTE=Mike De H]
Are you not answering your mail D?[/QUOTE]
Hey Mikey,
You got mail. Sorry about that. Not sure how that one fell through the cracks.
At World look for Bulgarian Stella. Or Oana. A friend of ours had a so so to bad session with her. Sweet looking though, for a chubster.
Happy hunting. Hope you brought the elephant gun ;-))
Cheers,
Dedalus
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truth or consequences
[QUOTE=Dedalus]Hey Mikey,
The man's too young to recall AC/DC.
Rosie's the one who:
When it comes to lovin'
Oh she steals the show
She ain't exactly pretty
Ain't exactly small
Forty-two, thirty-nine, fifty-six
You could say she's got it all
Ain't no fairy story
Ain't no skin and bone
But you give it all you got
Weighing in at nineteen stone
Just Mikey-Boy's Type! ;-)))
A mutual buddy of ours might have collected a few possibilities for ya a few weeks ago. One was a real Orca.
By the way, Mikey. That Bulgarian girl at World that you were over the moon about? Worthless!! Dull as dirt, my friend.
Cheers,
Dedalus[/QUOTE]
What is the heaviest girl you have been with?
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[QUOTE=Dedalus]Hey Mikey,
The man's too young to recall AC/DC.[/QUOTE]
Indeed. People pulling jokes all over this forum, getting foreginers to tip 50 Euros, Quoting classic heavy metal to describe fat birds, and somehow its all being taken at face value, which leads me to the next bit...
[QUOTE]
By the way, Mikey. That Bulgarian girl at World that you were over the moon about? Worthless!! Dull as dirt, my friend.
Cheers,
Dedalus[/QUOTE]
Would you believe I had forgotten about her? Turkish Adele at Oase wiped her from my memory... what was her name again? I remember black hair I think...
Do you remember that guy back in 2003 on Ignatzmice who did the alternative abbreviations list? YMMV was (as I remember) "I am obviously much better looking and more charmng than you are."
Ooooh, what a ***** I am tonight. You know I dont mean it mate. It will be because I just came back from Oaze and the place was empty. I went with some Bulgarian woman who pretended to be Turkish, bleach blond hair, filty looking with big tits. Worst case of BV I have noticed in years. I stopped after 5 mins and walked out.
Went with Morrocon / Spanish Louisa just to get a safe session in. Forgot to pull the pony tail at the last minute and got charged an extra 50 for cim!!! :-<
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[QUOTE=Akibono]What is the heaviest girl you have been with?[/QUOTE]
Sober?
Truth is, Aki, it's not really my thing. Jenny at Oase is about as big as it gets for me, and she is such a sweetheart as well as being pretty darn fine, that it just doesn't bother me that she leans toward girthy.
I DID do a session once with Stephania at Oase once and she might be about the most sizable gal I have ever done, both in real and club life. At least that I can remember.
For what it's worth, she was dreadful. Thought she might be a XL winner given ORA (Outside the Room Attitude) but she was a dud for me. Both boring and restrictive.
There was a girl at World some years back named Ramona who was drop dead sexy and such a little sizable. Great session!!!
Mostly I go for the tall ones, but I won't turn my back on a cute gal who is vertically challenged either.
Cheers,
Dedalus, who will probably never get elected president of the "Chubby-Chaser's League"
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[QUOTE=Dedalus]
There was a girl at World some years back named Ramona who was drop dead sexy and such a little sizable. Great session!!!
Dedalus, who will probably never get elected president of the "Chubby-Chaser's League"[/QUOTE]
Ah, yes, the famous "Romanza," favourite of our friend aus Darmstadt, right? She was a big-boned Transalvanian beauty, but not really fat. Whatever happened to her numero uno fan, Mr Nov., anyway? He used to be at the club every Sun, but suddenly kicked the habit I guess...
O
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[QUOTE=Ortos]Ah, yes, the famous "Romanza," favourite of our friend aus Darmstadt, right? She was a big-boned Transalvanian beauty, but not really fat. Whatever happened to her numero uno fan, Mr Nov., anyway? He used to be at the club every Sun, but suddenly kicked the habit I guess...
O[/QUOTE]
Hey Man,
Saw him a few times at World last year. He is still not above making the occasional Roemerforum appearance.
True, Ramona was not fat, but certainly a little fleshy. Lovely gal!
One girl I forgot to mention is Eva (Romanian) who was actually one of my favorite sessions last year. I would not describe her as chubby, but she was starting to get a little thicker last few times I saw her. Splendid gal.. Mikey would love her.
Cheers,
Dedalus
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Financial Krise impact on guests in the FKKs
[QUOTE=Ortos] Whatever happened to her numero uno fan, Mr Nov., anyway? He used to be at the club every Sun, but suddenly kicked the habit I guess...[/QUOTE]
I guess the credit crunch, liquidity crisis and deleveraging process has taken its toll on a number of punters that attend the club.
The feedback from the girls is that attendance is down, and the guys that do come are spending less (just a €50 fucker session) and not going for the extras or they ask for €100 for one hour and no extras. Just plain suck and fuck for one hour.
I suppose what is hurting more is that there are less men coming to the club and are coming less frequently. In some respects the foreigners - the armies of Italiani are propping the FKK economy up in the tourist clubs.
Choas,
Basketcase
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[QUOTE=Basketcase]I guess the credit crunch, liquidity crisis and deleveraging process has taken its toll on a number of punters that attend the club.
The feedback from the girls is that attendance is down, and the guys that do come are spending less (just a €50 fucker session) and not going for the extras or they ask for €100 for one hour and no extras. Just plain suck and fuck for one hour.
I suppose what is hurting more is that there are less men coming to the club and are coming less frequently. In some respects the foreigners - the armies of Italiani are propping the FKK economy up in the tourist clubs.
Choas,
Basketcase[/QUOTE]
Now, god-dangit! You got me all confused now. I thought friggin' foreigners were just plain BAD for FKK clubs...Right, Marlow? Ist das nicht war, Herr Nick the G(entleman)?
Now you tell me foreigners are actually GOOD for the FKKs? I can't comprehend this! Damn, which is it? Please...straighten me out here...
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[QUOTE=Dedalus]Sober?
Mostly I go for the tall ones, but I won't turn my back on a cute gal who is vertically challenged either.
Cheers,
Dedalus, who will probably never get elected president of the "Chubby-Chaser's League"[/QUOTE]
What about Czech Linda? She is not exactly petite. Now here is a big girl who delivers the goods. She was for many years at Palace, a no-go club for Mike D. But now she holds court at Mike's own favourite Hessen love nest, World. So...Try it Mike, you just might Like her....
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[QUOTE=Ortos]Now, god-dangit! You got me all confused now. I thought foreigners were just plain BAD for FKK clubs...Right, Marlow? Ist das nicht war, Herr Nick the G(entleman)?
Now you tell me foreigners are actually GOOD for the FKKs? I can't comprehend this! Damn, which is it? Please...straighten me out here...[/QUOTE]
I appreciate the opinion of Marlow and Nick the G wanting to keep the FKKs for local Germans but in the tourist FKKs the feeling is that it is the foreigners that are providing the lifeblood of the sex providers which is hard earned euros. Maybe the girls are telling me what I want to hear but the best customers I hear are Italiani. They may not be the biggest spenders but there are many of them and they come often/frequently and come quickly.
Then there are the latin customers: Brazilians and South American customers and the customers from the Middle East - these guys can be high rollers and the girls just love them. Also there are the Russians who can spend a lot of money in the clubs. Some girls say (once again may be just pampering to me) that without these windfall customers who pay well you will not have the pretty girls in the club. the girls do not mention very much that it is British or Dutch or French. The Greeks do not even get a mention. I guess there are not enough British, Dutch, French customers that form a big enough client base.
The nations that keeps getting discussed are the Italiani, the Middle Eastern clients and the Americans with the odd Asian high roller. To have these foreign men as stammgust can really enhance a girls income.
All you will have are the girls happy to do a 30 minute session for €50 and in general they are not the best lookers (or optifucks). I am not starting an argument that XXXXXX is gorgeous and she is happy to take my €50 I am talking in generalisations and what I hear in the clubs.
If an optifuck can make better money elsewhere then they will. One girl said to me - the men want good looking girls that they can suck and fuck for €50 but if they keep forcing it to remain €50 sessions then there will be more and more pretty girls leaving the industry leaving the less best lookers happier to work the clubs since they provide all the services: kissing, BBBJ, DATY, sex in 20 positions for the full 30 minutes.
I mean was it not that some of the veterans here said that the girl line ups are not as good as they used to be. Also someone else said a couple of years ago there were scores of fantastic looking Russian girls in the clubs. Now these Russian girls are no longer working in the clubs. Where have they gone? I can only speculate that they have gone back to work in Russia where money is better or to the Middle East or to the Americas.
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[QUOTE=Basketcase]
I mean was it not that some of the veterans here said that the girl line ups are not as good as they used to be. Also someone else said a couple of years ago there were scores of fantastic looking Russian girls in the clubs. Now these Russian girls are no longer working in the clubs. Where have they gone? I can only speculate that they have gone back to work in Russia where money is better or to the Middle East or to the Americas.[/QUOTE]
There are more factors to consider when discussing the decrease in the number of Russian (and Ukrainian) girls in the clubs over the past, say, 5 years. We've seen a tightening of restrictions in visa matters between Germany and non-EU Russian-speaking countries. There has also been more attention on trafficing into Germany and other EU countries. Plus many club managements have started to look more carefully at the papers of the girls who work in their clubs after a few Raids in the last years. Combine that with the economic factors that you mention and Russia in 2008/9 is not what Russia of 1999-2001 was economically either.
All of this adds up to a multi-faceted reason why there are significantly fewer Russian girls at many FKKs vs 5 or so years ago. Consider also that alot of the Russian-speaking girls at clubs like Oase these days have been living in Germany for several years. Steffi is a good example. She even speaks German with a near native accent. Gone are the days when these clubs would be full of Russian and Ukranian girls "fresh off the boat" so to speak, so fresh they barely spoke anyting but Ruskie...Wieponimaitch?
Ortos
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[QUOTE=Ortos] Combine that with the economic factors that you mention and Russia in 2008/9 is not what Russia of 1999-2001 was economically either.
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So just how is Russia's economy doing in these trying times? How does it compare from 99~01 and today? Im reading about things hitting the shitter basically in every country...but haven't heard anything on russia's economy.
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[QUOTE=Breadman]So just how is Russia's economy doing in these trying times? How does it compare from 99~01 and today? Im reading about things hitting the shitter basically in every country...but haven't heard anything on russia's economy.[/QUOTE]
This are not as good as they were a year ago, but they are no where near as bad as the currency crisis. To give an objective measure, in the currency crisis, about 50% of the economy was based on barter. Now the estimate is between 5-10%.
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[QUOTE=Henio]In that case, I would suggest you check out [url]www.economycarrentals.com[/url]. F.ex. 185 euros for a VW polo for a week. CDW with no excess and one extra driver included and unlimited milage. Have used them in the past, are good when doing longer rentals, but usually do not beat the weekend deals.
It is an agent so you wont know which rental company you end up with. When booking through them in the past, I have often ended up with Sixt, but once I ended up getting a car from Dollar which is kind of a pain since you will have to take a shuttle bus to the location that is about 15 minutes drive down the A5.[/QUOTE]
I've used economycarrentals.com on a number of occassions and I discovered the following:
1. If you pick up car at the airport, most often you will be diverted to Dollar rent-a-car, which is, as you say, a bit of pain, because their office is not in the airport at all, but in Moerfeld, an exit down the A5. So it means shuttle bus to pick-up your car, and shuttle bus on the return journey back to airport after drop off. That can translate into bothersome extra time on each leg.
2. To avoid this, simply enter the FFM Hbf (train station) office as the pick-up point. This way you will always get Sixt and you can then drop off the car directly at the airport Car Rental Return area. Saves alot of time and frustration on the return journy.
Ortos
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The $60,000 dollar question
QUOTE=Basketcase]I
If an optifuck can make better money elsewhere then they will. One girl said to me - the men want good looking girls that they can suck and fuck for €50 but if they keep forcing it to remain €50 sessions then there will be more and more pretty girls leaving the industry leaving the less best lookers happier to work the clubs since they provide all the services: kissing, BBBJ, DATY, sex in 20 positions for the full 30 minutes.
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I think on this comment I rest my case. The clubs are being ruined by Timmy Tourist. This is the proof.
I'm thankful this attitude is ring fenced to Frankfurt and World. Both the girls who argue this spurious line and the men who support them with heavy tipping frankly deserve each other. The girl really does have you by the balls if you believe this stuff.
So let's do the maths. TT thinks he has to pay over the odds to get good service, he wants at least four sessions to make his visit worthwhile. So what is TT shelling out? A minimum of 200 and probably on the above logic close to double that.
Right. Marlow goes to a birthday party near Cologne next week. Three girls (it's one of them who has the birthday) have hired a villa with a swimming pool, sauna, masseuse. There is food and drink. All these girls are lookers, all three work internationally and have their own websites. There are no extras to pay for. They'll do sandwich, anal whatever is your pleasure.
The guest list is limited to ten men.
Marlow is paying 350 Euros for the evening. Marlow knows he not going to get scammed for an extra 50 waiting time, or charged for BBBJ, neither is he going to get a Barbie robot because he won't 'tip'. I think old Marlow is going to have a good time. Because this is a class evening.
Then on the Saturday Marlow meets up with Yvonne in Düsseldorf. They are booked to spend three hours together fooling around. Yvonne is vivacious, a college graduate 27/166/36 (or in English 27yrs, 5' 5'' and slim) and teacher with fluent English and French with only the 'words 'non', 'nein' and 'no' missing from her vocabulary. Yvonne will dress in whatever pleases him so long as he comes up with a Queen sized bed, because as Yvonne says 'I don't want to end up on the floor accidentally.' She too has a website.
For this Marlow is parting with 250 Euros.
Now you tell me who is getting the better deal in terms of quality girls and time.
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[QUOTE=Basketcase]
If an optifuck can make better money elsewhere then they will. One girl said to me - the men want good looking girls that they can suck and fuck for €50 but if they keep forcing it to remain €50 sessions then there will be more and more pretty girls leaving the industry leaving the less best lookers happier to work the clubs since they provide all the services: kissing, BBBJ, DATY, sex in 20 positions for the full 30 minutes.
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The other side of the coin is there are girls turning 18 every day....and to them that 50 euro's is sure better than the going wage at the local store. The longer the girl is in the business, the more jaded they become...so new talent is needed to keep things fresh. You can always find another favorite...
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Various topics
Foreign guests: as I've said before, there are 5-10 FKK clubs which would fold without their French and Belgian guests. They make up to 50% of the clients. No exaggeration. And they are appreciated. I am even finding that there are increasing numbers of French and Belgian girls working these clubs for this reason. A virtuous circle.
Russian/Ukrainian girls: Ortos is right. After the scandal at the Kiev German consulate about three years ago, the visa regime to Germany and other Schengen countries has been tightened considerably. Many of the "Russian"/"Ukrainian" girls who work the clubs these days are more German than Russian or Ukrainian. If they weren't born in Germany they come from Russian/German families that came over fifteen or so years ago. Steffi and Leonie at Oase are good examples. They speak a colloquial Russian, sure, but I bet they would have problems writing it accurately. Their German is excellent.
Russian economy: going down the shoot rapidly. Banks are betting against their own central bank on the rouble, and winning. That's why the exchange rate is going south, and the foreign exchange reserves dwindling rapidly. Oil price way down. Given that Russian corporates have hundreds of millions of currency debt coming due this year, which they will probably be unable to refinance, expect a blow out. As usual the poor on the streets outside Moscow will end up paying the bill and resorting to vodka. Unfortunately the girls will find it harder to get out and seek their economic salvation in the FKKs. Sorry, EL, but that is reality, not Tosc's wish fulfilment.
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[QUOTE=Marlow]
Marlow goes to a birthday party near Cologne next week. Three girls (it's one of them who has the birthday) have hired a villa with a swimming pool, sauna, masseuse. There is food and drink. All these girls are lookers, all three work internationally and have their own websites. There are no extras to pay for. They'll do sandwich, anal whatever is your pleasure.
The guest list is limited to ten men.
Marlow is paying 350 Euros for the evening. Marlow knows he not going to get scammed for an extra 50 waiting time, or charged for BBBJ, neither is he going to get a Barbie robot because he won't 'tip'. I think old Marlow is going to have a good time. Because this is a class evening.
Then on the Saturday Marlow meets up with Yvonne in Düsseldorf. They are booked to spend three hours together fooling around. Yvonne is vivacious, a college graduate 27/166/36 (or in English 27yrs, 5' 5'' and slim) and teacher with fluent English and French with only the 'words 'non', 'nein' and 'no' missing from her vocabulary. Yvonne will dress in whatever pleases him so long as he comes up with a Queen sized bed, because as Yvonne says 'I don't want to end up on the floor accidentally.' She too has a website.
For this Marlow is parting with 250 Euros.
Now you tell me who is getting the better deal in terms of quality girls and time.[/QUOTE]
Now, now Marlow. You remember what the Doctor told you about the delusional effect of speaking about yourself in the third person. Don't forget to take your medication...you need some rest.
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[QUOTE=Ortos]Now, now Marlow. You remember what the Doctor told you about the delusional effect of speaking about yourself in the third person. Don't forget to take your medication...you need some rest.[/QUOTE]
I was going to make one of my trademark snarky comments but you beat me to the punch.
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[QUOTE=Basketcase]I appreciate the opinion of Marlow and Nick the G wanting to keep the FKKs for local Germans ...[/QUOTE]
That's not what either of these guys ever said. They only made comments about the effects that foreign sex tourists have had on the local scene. We should be careful about such statements. I've never met Marlow but he has always struck me as a Gentleman through his board personality. Nick I have met on several occasions and although his board wit may be direct, he is a right fine Gent and not at all xenophobic.
[QUOTE=Basketcase]
but in the tourist FKKs the feeling is that it is the foreigners that are providing the lifeblood of the sex providers which is hard earned euros. Maybe the girls are telling me what I want to hear but the best customers I hear are Italiani. They may not be the biggest spenders but there are many of them and they come often/frequently and come quickly.
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Yes, the girls are telling you want they think you want to hear. I can think of at least two gals at Oase (with whom I think you have also sessioned) who told me that the Italians either never go with them (they're Romanian) or treat them like crap once inside the room. True or not, it shows that these girls are not very consistent in with their stories.
[QUOTE=Basketcase]
Then there are the latin customers: Brazilians and South American customers and the customers from the Middle East - these guys can be high rollers and the girls just love them. Also there are the Russians who can spend a lot of money in the clubs. Some girls say (once again may be just pampering to me) that without these windfall customers who pay well you will not have the pretty girls in the club. the girls do not mention very much that it is British or Dutch or French. The Greeks do not even get a mention. I guess there are not enough British, Dutch, French customers that form a big enough client base.
The nations that keeps getting discussed are the Italiani, the Middle Eastern clients and the Americans with the odd Asian high roller. To have these foreign men as stammgust can really enhance a girls income.
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Not really sure that this is correct either.
Most of the girls who do consistently well in this Bidness are the ones who develop Stammkunden from everywhere, but especially from locals and regular visitors from foreign nations (like yourself and some others who we both know.) But even a regular traveler like yourself is not going to finance a girl's lifestyle (not to mention that of her "Gigalo") so she either has to be either good at "Hit-and-Run" or develop a good client list. Many of the girls I know of who have taken the latter road have lists that are mostly comprised of Germans and locals.
[QUOTE=Basketcase]
If an optifuck can make better money elsewhere then they will. One girl said to me - the men want good looking girls that they can suck and fuck for €50 but if they keep forcing it to remain €50 sessions then there will be more and more pretty girls leaving the industry leaving the less best lookers happier to work the clubs since they provide all the services: kissing, BBBJ, DATY, sex in 20 positions for the full 30 minutes.
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You don't really believe this, do you? Been watching this scene for years and have heard that story before. Ain't gonna happen. Some will leave the biz, that's for sure. But if these girls could go do high-class call-girl work for butt-loads of dough, then they would. In fact, I know some FKK girls who DO moonlight as escorts, but they STILL continue to work in the clubs.
Since you are interested in trying to learn some German, learn this phrase for the next time a girls tries to sing you that sympathy song:
"So etwas kommt bei mir nicht an."
[QUOTE=Basketcase]
I mean was it not that some of the veterans here said that the girl line ups are not as good as they used to be. Also someone else said a couple of years ago there were scores of fantastic looking Russian girls in the clubs. Now these Russian girls are no longer working in the clubs. Where have they gone? I can only speculate that they have gone back to work in Russia where money is better or to the Middle East or to the Americas.[/QUOTE]
They're still around. Not in droves like before. Lots of factors for this. Very few of which have to do with Emil Einwohner or Tommy Tourist.
Cheers,
Dedalus
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[QUOTE=Toscana]
Russian/Ukrainian girls: Ortos is right. After the scandal at the Kiev German consulate about three years ago, the visa regime to Germany and other Schengen countries has been tightened considerably. Many of the "Russian"/"Ukrainian" girls who work the clubs these days are more German than Russian or Ukrainian. If they weren't born in Germany they come from Russian/German families that came over fifteen or so years ago. Steffi and Leonie at Oase are good examples. They speak a colloquial Russian, sure, but I bet they would have problems writing it accurately. Their German is excellent.
Russian economy: going down the shoot rapidly. Banks are betting against their own central bank on the rouble, and winning. That's why the exchange rate is going south, and the foreign exchange reserves dwindling rapidly. Oil price way down. Given that Russian corporates have hundreds of millions of currency debt coming due this year, which they will probably be unable to refinance, expect a blow out. As usual the poor on the streets outside Moscow will end up paying the bill and resorting to vodka. Unfortunately the girls will find it harder to get out and seek their economic salvation in the FKKs. Sorry, EL, but that is reality, not Tosc's wish fulfilment.[/QUOTE]
Hey Tosc,
Excellent points about the presence of Russian (and Ukrainian, etc.) in the clubs today.
I remember back when PHG had a terrific collection of Russian workers. Most spoke German albeit rather poorly. Now it is as you describe. I never try to rap with the Russians girls in English. Most of them do not speak it. Serious German chops though. Steffi hardly has much of an accent. Neither does Melissa at GT. Olga at World has a strong accent, but speaks excellent German.
On another topic, I lately been wondering what a threesome with Hannah and Leonie/Edith would be like. They seem to get along well. Hmmmm...
Cheers,
Dedalus
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[QUOTE=Dedalus] I've never met Marlow but he has always struck me as a Gentleman through his board personality. Nick I have met on several occasions and although his board wit may be direct, he is a right fine Gent and not at all xenophobic. [/QUOTE]
I have met Nick The G once in FKK World. I really liked him. Interesting and knowledgeable fellow. I hope to spend more time chatting with him in the club (in between girls of course as this is the main reason we are here). I think there is a lot that I can learn from Nick The G.
I have not had the luck to have met Marlow. Maybe I need to get into the German escort scene and private party scene. It sounds a lot like the private party scene at home.
[QUOTE=Dedalus] You don't really believe this, do you? Been watching this scene for years and have heard that story before. Ain't gonna happen. Some will leave the biz, that's for sure. But if these girls could go do high-class call-girl work for butt-loads of dough, then they would. In fact, I know some FKK girls who DO moonlight as escorts, but they STILL continue to work in the clubs.
Since you are interested in trying to learn some German, learn this phrase for the next time a girls tries to sing you that sympathy song:
"So etwas kommt bei mir nicht an." [/QUOTE]
Girls from my experience do several different ways of sex provision from brothels, to parties to escorts - no one method will get them all the work that they may want or need.
Thanks for the German quote to add to my list of phrases. This is helpful.
Cheers,
Basketcase
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Cheap European flights
[QUOTE=Polar]There are no better alternatives than Ryanair. They treat you like a bunch of cattle, but charge for a flight is also close to zero.
My last Sweden - Frankfurt Hahn return ticket cost me 20 Eurocent! This gives quite a lot of money left for more important things. There are some advices. Never check in luggage (cost a lot), always use Visa Electron for payment (free of charge, otherwise 3 Euro per one way trip), book as much as you can when they have promotion (and they have promotions all the time, just wait for the best = 0.01 Euro taxes and charges included). If you use the tickets or not is not a big thing at that pricing. I have booked 70 trips to Germany from now until Feb 08. At least two alternatives every week. Total damage 7 Euro.[/QUOTE]
I only recently cottoned onto the ryanair thing. The story was that their airports were too far away from where you want to be or flew at inconvenient times (early morning or late evening). The former is true but the later means you can maximise your time in the country that are in visiting - in this case Germany.
Checking in luggage can be like £8-9 a bag and paying by debit or credit card incurs £4.75 fee per leg of the journey. No need to pay for priority boarding at £1.90 a leg or travel insurance if you already have travel insurance through your credit card or in an annual policy. As Polar says pay by visa electron and there are no credit or debit card fees and never check in luggage. Just take a weekend bag or satchel. You do not need much clothes in the FKKs since you are naked bar a towel wrapped around you.
Also if you pick the right deal the taxes and fees are included in the flight price. There can be flights advertised as free but this is not really the case since there is a nominal charge of one pence or one euro cent.
Elements of Her Majesty's Army of the Rhine and I were discussing a particular point and find it absolutely hilarious when in the clubs to be sitting in a club in Germany in towels. I mean towels!!! Tell anyone at home what you have been doing and they think you have gone bonkers.
I have not managed to book 70 flights as Polar has done in one sitting but recently I have booked 35 return flights of various combinations of long weekend trips, midweek day trips and 2 days trips and the total cost of these 35 return flights has been 70 pence or about one USD$1. The reason for the 70 pence is that each leg is one pence and so a return flight is two pence. Two pence for a return flight times 35 flights booked is 70 pence. Now I am not going to be taking all of them but it gives me the flexibility to go out at certain times or days or come back earlier or later than I wanted depending on how I feel and the girl line ups.
Usually I pay around GBP20 to GBP25 for a return flight depending on when I am coming back. It is usually the UK end that is more expensive.
I have flown several times now for 2 pence return and it is nice to know that if you are flexible with times and what you can receive in customer service that you get the end result: which is to get yourself to Germany.
The reciprocal is the same for people going the other way so it would be nice to see more Germans in Europe. I know that people from my country travel extensively.
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[QUOTE=Ortos]What about Czech Linda? She is not exactly petite. Now here is a big girl who delivers the goods. She was for many years at Palace, a no-go club for Mike D. But now she holds court at Mike's own favourite Hessen love nest, World. So...Try it Mike, you just might Like her....[/QUOTE]
She is a little too big for me, but all the sessions I had with her did not include the good ol in & out. Evrytime, she just worked her oral magic that was so good, I did not feel like stopping her.
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[QUOTE=Dedalus]I've never met Marlow but he has always struck me as a Gentleman through his board personality. Nick I have met on several occasions and although his board wit may be direct, he is a right fine Gent and not at all xenophobic.
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I am sure Marlow & Nick are Gents & all the other good stuff, but they both seem to have issues with non locals. It might be unfair to call them xenophobic, but some of their posts sure seem that way.
Whether they like it or not, tourists are going to visit the FKK`s & these guys need to get over it.
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Basketcase
I have just looked at Ryanairs website. Can I ask if you are flying to Frankfurt Hahn. If so which of Palace, Oase and World is closer.
Can you give me an approx distance and time to the nearest club please, by car.
Can one hire a car at Hahn, if so which company do you recommend.
Thanks very much
Z
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Melanie (Germany)
[QUOTE=Ortos]What about Czech Linda? She is not exactly petite. Now here is a big girl who delivers the goods. She was for many years at Palace, a no-go club for Mike D. But now she holds court at Mike's own favourite Hessen love nest, World. So...Try it Mike, you just might Like her....[/QUOTE]
There was in 2008 at Oase a girl called Melanie from Frankfurt who was friends with Toni from Frankfurt. She was a big girl and she certainly tried harder than her more slender colleagues. I never went to the room with her since I am not a chubby chaser but then also I was not getting talked into going off my type by my crew buddies.
Melanie certainly entertained the fantasies of some men who like their girls by the kilogram rather than the equivalent amount in pounds. I have not seen Melanie in the club since the Summer. She was a happy soul and was interesting to talk to. I understand that there are a couple of write ups of Melanie in the forum.
Cheers,
Basketcase
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Zelatrix
[quote=zelatrix]i have just looked at ryanairs website. can i ask if you are flying to frankfurt hahn. if so which of palace, oase and world is closer.
can you give me an approx distance and time to the nearest club please, by car.
can one hire a car at hahn, if so which company do you recommend.
thanks very much
z[/quote]
for the clubs in nrw the ryanair airports are dusseldorf weeze (nrn) in deutschland on the nederlands and allemania border or eindhoven - ein (home of psv eindhoven!!!!! for the league) in nederlands (nederlands is the home of many ijsberen).
there are car hire firms at each of these airports and so to get to golden time the drive is to golden time from nrn (about 50km) and ein (about 90km). in each case the drive is 45 minutes even for ein since it is motorway whereas the nrn is along country roads with restricted speed limits. you should be able top pick up £20 return - leave saturday and come back sunday night from nrn and ein from stn.
yes, the flights are from stn unless you an get to bhx in the midlands. i know that stn is not the most convenient for you.
for the clubs in hesse the ryanair airport in deutschland is frankfurt hahn (means cock in german) or hhn. the entry point of hhn is actually closer to luxembourg than it is to frankfurt but since it is administered by fraport who also operate frankfurt main airport the naming went to frankfurt. since it is also fraport expect efficient handling of landing and take off.
there is a bohrs omnibuss to ffm hbf for €12 one way (€24 return) that takes 1.45 hours and there is no toliet on the bus. remember to take a dump or [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] before getting on as the bus driver does not stop. if you take the bus in the factor in time to get on the bus - they are like hourly or half hourly depending on the time of day and also picking up trains in ffm to head to palace in hausen, oase in bhh or world in garbentich.
there are also numerous car hire companies in hhn so pick one up from [url]www.sixti.com[/url] for €9.99 plus 19.5% service charge a day and drive the 137 kilometres to oase. i can do it in 1.25 hours. palace is closer at around 100 kilometres away from hhn but you are driving into the city as well whereas going to oase means you skirt the city. the drive to world from hhn is around 177 kilometers. once you get out of the palatine landes and into hesse landes you can also be doing high speed chase with the mercedes and porches in the fast lane.
there is also [url]www.hertz.de;[/url] europacar; avis and other local firms. i usually use sixti (not sixt) as its cheaper but there are limits to 100 km per day unless you want to pay 15 cents per additional km over 100 km and cdw insurance is not inclusive in the price. however, you cannot sneeze at €9.99 a day plus 19.5% service. sixti from hhn is not generally viable due to the one way distance of 137 km unless you are doing 3 days then its 274km used up getting there and back and 26 km for getting to oase and back from your hotel in friedrichsdorf or bhh.
[url]www.sixiti.com[/url] from nrn or ein is much more achievable for a 2 day trip since you get 200km for the 2 day car hire at €9.99 a day and from nrn as i said to golden time it is 50km so you use up 100km getting there and back from nrn with 100km left over to cruise around bruggen for your hotel or cash machines and to fill the car up with benzin. i usually fill thecar up at the 24 hour aral petrol station in weeze village.
from ein you can also do golden time or even yin yang at about 90km one way with 20km spare for your hotel in bruggen (2-3 km away from gt). i usually fill up the car on return at the shell station that is 5 km from ein airport.
i am not used to driving at 240 kmph per hour like my british colleagues who live in germany so i pot along at 160kmph since i am worried i drive the left hand side when it should be right hand side.
the drive between golden time to oase can be 2.5 hours to 3 hours depending on traffic. it can be done and i expect to be doing this leg as you know. or you can do what i have been recommended is take a combination of local trains and intercity trains from friedrichsdorf in the taunus to kaldenkirchen in nord rhein area of nrw on die bahn for €29 one way of booked in advance.
hope this helps zelatrix. the above is hard worked out logistics but you can see it is doable at reasonable cost. many others do it as well - swedes come into hahn from stockholm - many of the senior names here have done it. legions and centuries of italiani come up from the boot of europe and also a couple of britons.
cheers,
basketcase
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Cheers Basketcase
Cheers matey,
Zelatrix junior wanted to write you a thank you note. See below. All his idea you understand (aplogies for the spelling)
Dear Uncle Basketcas,
Thank you very much for the directons. I am looking forward to making good use off them. One off the very nisest presence I have ever had.
Love Zelatrix (junior)
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Zelatrix and Zelatrix (junior)
[QUOTE=Zelatrix]Cheers matey,
Zelatrix junior wanted to write you a thank you note. See below. All his idea you understand (aplogies for the spelling)
Dear Uncle Basketcas,
Thank you very much for the directons. I am looking forward to making good use off them. One off the very nisest presence I have ever had.
Love Zelatrix (junior)[/QUOTE]
Zelatrix and Zelatrix (junior),
Danke schon for your thank note. It is appreciated.
I have updated my original reply to you for car hire firms and logistical information on what one needs to contemplate to get to GT from NRN and EIN airports. I also expanded it here and there to make what I wrote more understandable and clearer to readers who may not be familiar with ryanair, car hire firms and these obscure airports.
Cheers,
Basketcase
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[QUOTE=Vito Corleone]I am sure Marlow & Nick are Gents & all the other good stuff, but they both seem to have issues with non locals. It might be unfair to call them xenophobic, but some of their posts sure seem that way.
Whether they like it or not, tourists are going to visit the FKK`s & these guys need to get over it.[/QUOTE]
The concept of the European union includes the concept of free movement for its nationals. Last I heard the UK was a reluctant part of that European Union and one of the yellow stars on that blue flag represents the UK and another one represents Germany. Regardless that the British when asked to sign up originally thought the European Union was really going to be a trade agreement there are inherent benefits in being one power block.
Tourism would be part and parcel of that free movement. I know that London is awash with non locals. We welcome them as expected by a cosmopolitan city. I would be totally against the movement for secession.
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[QUOTE=Basketcase]The concept of the European union includes the concept of free movement for its nationals. [/QUOTE]
Free movement, but no anonymous movement...i.e. a license plate in Texas is a plate of texas, that plate won't stand out differently in Houston as it would in Dallas. You could drive all over texas without anyone looking at you twice. But if your in Germany and in Viersen with a license plate starting with "DUS" the people all around you know that your not from Viersen.
So in a way its free travel...but travel the police can easily track. Only way for free anonymous travel in the EU would be to have a standard license plate with random numbers.
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Cheers Basketcase
I am researching like crazy right now. A Saturday day trip from Stansted to Oase via Hahn is very doable. A weekend jaunt to Eindhoven also looking good.
As you can see I have decided not to squander my resources on valentines night. Very common thread at work in the last week is a guy saying "my life will be hell unless we do XYZ for valentines"
I will invest the saving in an FKK weekend
Z
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[QUOTE=Basketcase]Danke schon[/QUOTE]"Thank you already"?
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Zelatrix - logistic trip reports
[QUOTE=Zelatrix]I am researching like crazy right now. A Saturday day trip from Stansted to Oase via Hahn is very doable. A weekend jaunt to Eindhoven also looking good.
As you can see I have decided not to squander my resources on valentines night. Very common thread at work in the last week is a guy saying "my life will be hell unless we do XYZ for valentines"
I will invest the saving in an FKK weekend
Z[/QUOTE]
Zelatrix,
Please find attached links to several of my June 2008 trip reports to Oase using HHN as an entry point include timings, prices paid, and practical information. Ignore the bits about girls, that is superfluous to this correspondence.
[post]750538[/post]
[post]755048[/post]
[post]755123[/post]
Cheers,
Basketcase
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Throw Cologne - Koeln airport in the mix
Excellent research Bc.
I imagine that you do know, Zelatrix and Junior, that Cologne-Koeln airport just down the road from Dusseldorf is an excellent alternative for the NRW scene. I check airlines going into one or the other or both and simply pick the airport based upon the flight schedules and prices at the time. Sixt is a rental company that I usually end up using for the same reasons.
Cologne being a little further to drive to the clubs nearer the NL Border but smack in the middle of others such as Samya (which you both now know very
well, Bernd's etc).
I simply write to provide a modest addition to Bc's very full report on monger transport to the German FKK's for future reference.
E.
[QUOTE=Basketcase]For the clubs in NRW the Ryanair airports are Dusseldorf Weeze (NRN) in Deutschland on the Nederlands and Allemania border or Eindhoven - EIN (home of PSV Eindhoven!!!!! for the league) in Nederlands (Nederlands is the home of many IJsberen).
Hope this helps Zelatrix. The above is hard worked out logistics but you can see it is doable at reasonable cost. Many others do it as well - Swedes come into Hahn from Stockholm - many of the senior names here have done it. Legions and centuries of Italiani come up from the boot of Europe and also a couple of Britons.
Cheers,
Basketcase[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Vito Corleone]I am sure Marlow & Nick are Gents & all the other good stuff, but they both seem to have issues with non locals. It might be unfair to call them xenophobic, but some of their posts sure seem that way.
Whether they like it or not, tourists are going to visit the FKK`s & these guys need to get over it.[/QUOTE]
Hey Don Vito,
My respects to you.
As your consiliere I must inform you that I have indeed met a number of locals in the clubs who blame the current downturn in club standards on tourists and who wish that there were a selection policy at each club's entrance.
However I have never got the impression from Nick or Marlow that this is the case with them. Far from it, actually. Marlow, IMHO has made a few good points about the effect that tourists who accept less than top standards from the girls and the clubs could have on the overall scene. It's a fair point.
I'm the last one to tell you or anyone how or on who you or anyone else should spend your jack and I doubt that these guys are any different. BC has taken a bit of heat for paying a girl for waiting time. One reason is that the ISG brotherhood feels bad that he got snookered. The other is that it encourages poor service. But, at the end of the day, it's his bread to do with what he wants.
I'd never judge you for digging a sport-fuck with Isabella. In fact, if you can manage a SF with her, then I gotta take my fedora off to you. During my one tumble with her she was so lifeless that I considered checking her pulse. I wonder about it a little, since I know that there are girls who are at least as hot if not hotter, and who give more of an effort in the room. Also I know that you know this.
Again, I don't think any reasonable guy here is trying to shut out the tourists. And even if they were, it would be like trying to hold the ocean back with a broom. What I think everyone can agree on is that we would all like to see an overall higher performance standard from the girls and it is not unreasonable to think that our actions and attitudes might have both a positive and a negative influence.
On another note, I found a Bulgarian at GT last night named Julie who is the best new discovery for me this year. About 1.5M, dark hair, smokin' body with tastefully done bolt-ons. An absolute All Star in the room. Deep throats like there's no tomorrow. I have a feeling that you would really dig her. Not to be confused with Romanian Julie, who also has new bolt-ons and is not nearly as good.
Cheers,
Dedalus
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[QUOTE=Marlow]
The clubs are being ruined by Timmy Tourist. This is the proof.
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[QUOTE=Vito Corleone]I am sure Marlow & Nick are Gents & all the other good stuff, but they both seem to have issues with non locals. It might be unfair to call them xenophobic, but some of their posts sure seem that way.
Whether they like it or not, tourists are going to visit the FKK`s & these guys need to get over it.[/QUOTE]
Don't you hate it when the guy next to you takes a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] in the shower? But you have to get over it. What's a little [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] or two, its going to happen. The girls like your [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] cause you have so much of it...so spread it around and pretty soon the guy on the other side of you will be pissing in the shower. Now the guy across from you starts pissing...and his friend who just finished his shower joins in... Why are you mad? Get over it already. A little extra [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] won't ruin the floor.
There's a major flood coming and Noah (he's the guy in the fedora and leather jacket) decides to build a boat and is loading all the hookers and hobbiests 2 by 2...but some of the hookers want their hobbiest partner to pay extra for standing next to them while they wait to board the boat. And ohhh, does that hooker look nice standing there all naked and everything...and timmy the hobbiest just can't help himself, he pays her the extra fee...but to reach his secreted 50 dollar bill which he's hid up his arse he knocks down one of the supports to the boat and sends it rocking.
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Day trip versus weekend trip for Zelatrix
[QUOTE=Zelatrix]I am researching like crazy right now. A Saturday day trip from Stansted to Oase via Hahn is very doable. A weekend jaunt to Eindhoven also looking good.
As you can see I have decided not to squander my resources on valentines night. Very common thread at work in the last week is a guy saying "my life will be hell unless we do XYZ for valentines"
I will invest the saving in an FKK weekend
Z[/QUOTE]
Guten Tag Zelatrix,
Ja, a day trip is possible as is a weekend trip.
For a weekend trip you can leave on a Saturday morning on the 07:25 flight to HHN and be in your towel at Oase at 1pm or Palace at 12:30pm and stay all night to 05:00 for Oase /04:00 for Palace.
At the end of tht night you then head to your hotel for a few hours kip then back in the club at 10am for the next day stint on Sunday.
If going to Oase on Sunday and you were leaving on the 11:25 flight back to STN from HHN you would stay to say 19:30 before walking to BHH for the 20:02 HLB to Friedrichsdorf to connect with the 20:08 S9 train back to the FFM Hbf for the 21:00 bus to HHN which reaches HHN at 22:45 which is 40 minutes before your flight at 23:25. The security at HHN is efficient and usually only 2-5 people deep in the queue.
If leaving Oase on Monday morning since you want to stay for the Sunday night as well then follow this plan. Stay at Oase to 02:15 on Monday morning then take a taxi to the Hbf (€40) in time for the 03:00 bus from the Hbf to HHN. The bus arrives at 04:45 with plenty of time for the 06:25 flight to STN. The first train back to FFM Hbf is at 04:08 and arrives in FFM Hbf at 04:34 or so. This is too late for you to connect with either the 03:00 bus or the 04:00 bus to HHN from FFM Hbf.
At HHN airport the shops are open so have a croissant and an espresso. I usually have the rindwurst in brot for €2.50 while I wait. I have not gone that far continental as to eat croissants. Britons eat sausages for breakfast.
If you want to cut it a bit finer leaving from Oase then take a taxi from Oase at 03:15 to arrive at the FFM Hbf in time for the 04:00 bus to HHN. The 04:00 bus arrives at 06:00 since it goes via Mainz but this still gives you 25 minutes for your flight - get through security, etc... I have been on the tarmac at 06:30 at HHN and we still get stragglers getting on the plane due they taking the 06:00 arriving bus. We always seem to manage to get to STN for 06:40 arrival since it is really a 50 minute in the air flight.
Sorry this option means taking a €40 taxi instead of the €3.70 train to get from Oase to the FFM Hbf but it maximises your time in the club.
Doing Palace on the Sunday leg of a 2 day trip means you are in Hausen and the taxi ride is a more modest €10 to get to the FFM Hbf. So maybe the better bet is Oase on Saturday and Palace on Sunday albeit it is a no brainer that Oase has the best line up of the Hessen 3 on a Sunday in my opinion. Just like Golden Time on a Sunday is the better of the NRW Golden Triangle area.
Sometimes the Sundays at Oase can be really good because there are some girls that only work on Sunday. For example, Santina (Poland) was not spotted working on Saturday but was working Sunday and some of the other girls that we all know and love like working when the club is not busy as they hate waiting for a room due to the hordes of guests that come during messe and for the weekend.
There were times in 2008 when I was sobbing quietly to myself when I had to leave at 19:30 seeing the beauties arriving to work on Sunday evening.
For a day trip midweek you can leave on a Wednesday (Mittwoch) morning - get to the clubs by 1pm and stay all night to say 2am or 3am on Thursday (Donderdag - Dutch) then head back to the airport to go back home in time for work at 09:00 by taking the 06:25 flight to STN from HHN arriving at 06:40, pass through the UK border takes like less than 1 minute as a European as there are no queues at 06:45 at STN and then taking either the 06:45 or the 07:25 bus back to LDN arriving at 08:25 with 35 minutes for the tube ride to the office. If you get the 06:45 bus (yes, literally sometimes I get off the plane at 06:40 and through the tough UK border control in less than 5 minutes) to LDN then you have more time to get to work. Once again the premise is to take a taxi from Oase to the Hbf which costs around €40.
Another option altogether is to hire a car from HHN to go to Palace or Oase and if you have the miles get to World. The car hire for 3 days with Sixti is €43.15 that gives you 300 km on the clock to use. Do not worry that you are bringing the car back a day early on a 3 day hire - these things happen and what you are after is the cheap car hire. The 300km gets you the 137 km from HHN to Oase and also allows for the 137 km back to HHN from Oase with 26 km spare to drive around for hotels and food. You may spend about €30 or less on petrol depending on the petrol price. Now compare that €73.15 versus the €24 for the bus return, the two lots of €3.70 on the train for the S9 S Bahn and also taxis at say €9 a pop at a rate of four times (two return trips from the Friedrichsdorf hotel to Oase and back from Oase to Friedrichsdorf hotel or to the bahnof if you are leaving) makes €67.40 already compared to car hire and petrol of €73.15. If you are doing the late night getaway on public transport then discount the €40 taxi from Oase to FFM Hbf as you now have a car that you drive direct to the airport at HHN.
Hope this logistical information helps for auslanders. The same concept applies to the Swedes, Spanish, Italiani, Slovaks, Maroccans, Latvians, Poles, even Germans from Berlin, etc... who all have connections into HHN from their countries or cities.
Cheers,
Basketcase
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Help for dusseldorf
Hi,
I have a evening free in Dusseldorf and fly out of Dusseldorf international airport early on Wednesday Morning.
Is there anywhere near the airport anybody can recommend.
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This forum does serve a purpose...
[QUOTE=Marlow]I'm thankful this attitude is ring fenced to Frankfurt and World. Both the girls who argue this spurious line and the men who support them with heavy tipping frankly deserve each other. The girl really does have you by the balls if you believe this stuff. [/QUOTE]
... and let's keep it that way. It funnels tourists to the Hessen 3, which is just fine.
I am, as everyone knows, not a fan of the Hessen 3 but if the average tourist will stick with those clubs, then so much the better.
I'll stick to my favorite off-the-beaten path clubs.
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Basketcase
Sir you are a fanatic, my kind of fanatic.
I love the details and the logistics so am currently O/Ding on it all. Zelatrix Junior is somewhat less cerebral I am afraid.
I am planning a trip over the May bank holiday on the back of all this.
Thanks also to Excess. Maybe I will see you at Samya. I have two trips booked in the short term. Come to think of it how about you and me hit Samya BC.
I have to chortle when I hear about my colleagues adventures in UK lap dancing clubs. They cant understand why I dont go...
Z
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[QUOTE=Zelatrix]Sir you are a fanatic, my kind of fanatic.
I love the details and the logistics so am currently O/Ding on it all. Zelatrix Junior is somewhat less cerebral I am afraid.
I am planning a trip over the May bank holiday on the back of all this.
Thanks also to Excess. Maybe I will see you at Samya. I have two trips booked in the short term. Come to think of it how about you and me hit Samya BC.
I have to chortle when I hear about my colleagues adventures in UK lap dancing clubs. They cant understand why I dont go...
Z[/QUOTE]
I have given up on UK lapdancing clubs as well. I think now about the amounts of money that I use to drop in those places. My wedge was continually depleted. My UK crew kept telling me there were far more VFM alternatives in Thailand. For me Thailand does not give me the quick fix like Amsterdam did and even there something was missing as it was so mechanical but I did enjoy the city for its freedoms.
Spain was also another alternative and the clubs there remind me of the sauna clubs of NRW. The FKks though combine what I think I have been looking for as an outlet with naked girls and sex for a reasonable outlay rather than the excessive amounts demanded in UK. Also the service levels are way higher for the €50 for half a hour that you would not get in UK for twice the price.
Main issue is the need to travel, the time involved and need to excuse yourself to get over to Germany. The additional fixed costs at times make a the several punts made in Germany the equivalent of the cost of a roll around on the hard bed in a seedy massage parlour in Euston or Kings Cross.
I have trips booked for both May bank holidays for Hessen already. Nice long weekend in FKK land.
I have not been to Samya in Koln since it is in between my fave clubs in the Golden Triangle area like Golden Time and the Hessen 3. The club from its website looks good. I guess it is a flight into CGN with Easyjet from LGW or Air Berlin from STN as the closest entry points.
At present I would be hard pressed to leave my beloved Tourist clubs.
Zelatrix, you must remember that I am not German and cannot speak German and I do not act German (I mean I jaywalk like Brits do whereas Europeans don't). I am a tourist. Here for a good time not a long time up for any loving since any loving is good loving.
Cheers,
Basketcase
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Sixti won't let you bring back your car a day early
[QUOTE=Basketcase]The car hire for 3 days with Sixti is €43.15 that gives you 300 km on the clock to use. Do not worry that you are bringing the car back a day early on a 3 day hire - these things happen and what you are after is the cheap car hire.[/QUOTE]If you know you''ll only need a Sixti for 2 days, don't hire it for 3 days just to get 100 extra km, it won't work. If you bring it back on the second day, you will be automatically reinvoiced 2 days rent + rebooking fee (some 5€) + all the km excessing 200. That's still fine if you wanted to be flexible on the third day. Otherwise, just rent the car for 2 days and spare the unnecessary rebooking fee. I guess that with Sixti the advertising we make for them by driving around a car fitted as a sandwich board gets into the bargain. Nobody can read their promotions while the car sits in an airport parking lot.
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Sixti early car return policy
[QUOTE=Gattonero]If you know you''ll only need a Sixti for 2 days, don't hire it for 3 days just to get 100 extra km, it won't work. If you bring it back on the second day, you will be automatically reinvoiced 2 days rent + rebooking fee (some 5€) + all the km excessing 200. That's still fine if you wanted to be flexible on the third day. Otherwise, just rent the car for 2 days and spare the unnecessary rebooking fee. I guess that with Sixti the advertising we make for them by driving around a car fitted as a sandwich board gets into the bargain. Nobody can read their promotions while the car sits in an airport parking lot.[/QUOTE]
Hi Gattonero,
I did not realise that Sixti was kind enough to refund you 1 day if you hire for 3 days and bring the car back early. Is what you say from experience?
The times when I have booked 2 day car hire with Sixti and did not even use the car, that is I did not even check into get and it was left it in the carpark - I still got charged for 2 days (€23.87).
The point was to do the Oase run from HHN using Sixti as the cheapest car hire means you need at least 300 km for a 2 day trip. The reason one needs 300 km is that the one way trip from HHN to Oase is 137 km meaning the return trip is 137km at least and you need some spare km to get around to hotel and pick up cash and petrol. You need to book 3 days so that you can get 300 km but you will in reality only use it for 2 days as you come back on the end of the second day to return the car. Booking Sixti for 3 days is cheaper than booking Hertz, Avis, Europcar or normal Sixt at there normal prices for 2 days.
If what you are saying is that Sixti refunds you your third day and charges you for 2 days plu a €5 admin charge then that should be something like €31.05 for 2 days and then adding on €5 we get to €36.05 plus excess km at say 90km at 15 cents each is another €13.50 making €49.55 compared to if one hired the car for 3 days and actually used it for 3 days at €43.15. So one is paying in excess €6.40 which comprises mainly of the €5 admin charge.
So what you are saying is hire the Sixti car from HHN for €31.05 for 2 days (maybe less if you can get the €9.99 a day deals) and pay for the excess over 200 km at 15 cents per km.
If one were to get the €9.99 per day deal then for 2 days car hire it is €23.85 plus excess km at €13.50 for the extra 90 km makes €37.35 plus say €30 for petrol being generous.
In all the times that I have hired through Sixti going for the VW polo or Smart I have ended up with Alfa Romeo Sypders, VW Fox, Ford Fiesta, all sorts of cars and only one time gladly did I get a car with the advertising hoarding on it. One can feel a bit embarassed arriving in GT or Oase with a bright orange painted car with hire this car from €5.00 a day!!!
I have never been able to hire a Sixti car for €5 a day but I have many times hired cars through Sixti at €9.99 a day plus 19.5% service charge.
Cheers,
Basketcase
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[QUOTE=Basketcase]Hi Gattonero,
I did not realise that Sixti was kind enough to refund you 1 day if you hire for 3 days and bring the car back early. Is what you say from experience?
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I think he's saying that he rented a car from sixte for 3 days to get the 300km's from the 3 day rental, intending only to keep it for 2 days...but when he returned the car early he got charged extra for the extra miles and an early return.
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Pretty please
[QUOTE=Masayama]"Thank you already"?[/QUOTE]
I think he meant [i]Danke schoen[/i] with an umlaut otherwise it is exactly that: "Thank you already".
I always get a kick out of [i]Bitte schoen[/i] which is literally "pretty please".
I used to fly Sabena to Brussels and then take other means of transport to get to NRW.
It used to puzzle me that the stewardesses would say things in English like: "Tea, please. Coffee, please." as they would walk the aisles offering the tea or coffee.
It must be an expression in Nederlaendisch when offering something and they were doing a direct word-for-word translation into English of this expression.
It must be like "Tee, bitte?" or "Kaffee, bitte?".
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[QUOTE=Dedalus]Hey Don Vito,
My respects to you.
As your consiliere I must inform you that I have indeed met a number of locals in the clubs who blame the current downturn in club standards on tourists and who wish that there were a selection policy at each club's entrance.
However I have never got the impression from Nick or Marlow that this is the case with them. Far from it, actually. Marlow, IMHO has made a few good points about the effect that tourists who accept less than top standards from the girls and the clubs could have on the overall scene. It's a fair point.
I'm the last one to tell you or anyone how or on who you or anyone else should spend your jack and I doubt that these guys are any different. BC has taken a bit of heat for paying a girl for waiting time. One reason is that the ISG brotherhood feels bad that he got snookered. The other is that it encourages poor service. But, at the end of the day, it's his bread to do with what he wants.
I'd never judge you for digging a sport-fuck with Isabella. In fact, if you can manage a SF with her, then I gotta take my fedora off to you. During my one tumble with her she was so lifeless that I considered checking her pulse. I wonder about it a little, since I know that there are girls who are at least as hot if not hotter, and who give more of an effort in the room. Also I know that you know this.
Again, I don't think any reasonable guy here is trying to shut out the tourists. And even if they were, it would be like trying to hold the ocean back with a broom. What I think everyone can agree on is that we would all like to see an overall higher performance standard from the girls and it is not unreasonable to think that our actions and attitudes might have both a positive and a negative influence.
On another note, I found a Bulgarian at GT last night named Julie who is the best new discovery for me this year. About 1.5M, dark hair, smokin' body with tastefully done bolt-ons. An absolute All Star in the room. Deep throats like there's no tomorrow. I have a feeling that you would really dig her. Not to be confused with Romanian Julie, who also has new bolt-ons and is not nearly as good.
Cheers,
Dedalus[/QUOTE]
Tom Hagen,
My respects consiglieri. All the local Germans I`ve met have been pretty nice & cool guys to talk to. Since I do not speak the language, they could be telling me to fcuk off. I agree some of the newbies make questionable desicions, but this also effects the tourist. I have had women @ GT, Oase, World & Palace size me up & realize I am no newbie then change tactics.
Maybe the locals will get their wish oneday, but the owners of these clubs originated in California & the Midwest.
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Sixti early car return policy
[QUOTE=Basketcase]I did not realise that Sixti was kind enough to refund you 1 day if you hire for 3 days and bring the car back early. Is what you say from experience?[/quote]Yes from experience, it occurred to me two times. I had booked for 2 days, and had to return the car after only one day. I was then charged for 1 day, all km in eccess of 100, and a cancellation fee of 6.94€+VAT (the rental per day was 8.39€+VAT+19% premium location). In both cases I ended up paying more than I would have without the amendment. One time that I already knew at pick-up time that I could keep the car only for one day (had booked for two days), and yet I had to travel more than 200km. Sixti desk attendant advised me not to change the booking and I would have just paid the prise for two days with 200km included. The invoice center nevertheless amended the invoice in their favour. When I later show this invoice to the attendant she was kind enough to send an email to the invoicing centre asking if I could be charged as for a two day booking instead, but I never got a reply. It's still to be seen what would happen in case the excess mileage would not be enough to compensate for the reimbursed fare for the unused rental day. I suspect the invoice procedure automatically chooses the case (amend or not amend original booking) most favorable to rental company.
[quote]The times when I have booked 2 day car hire with Sixti and did not even use the car, that is I did not even check into get and it was left it in the carpark - I still got charged for 2 days (€23.87).[/quote]I can confirm this experience too. In this case no excess km was chargeable, than an amendment to a 1 day no show charge + cancellation fee would still have been favorable to the customer. That's why we were still charged for two days.
[quote]The point was to do the Oase run from HHN using Sixti as the cheapest car hire means you need at least 300 km for a 2 day trip.[/quote]Giving up part of the flexibility, and if you have plenty of time, you could maybe arrange a trip by a combination of car hire and public transport. Take the Bohr bus from HHN to Frankfurt, exit at FRA airport bus stop, and pick-up a Sixti there. Then drive the shorter route to Oase or whichever destination is in the area. The spared km (mileage charges and fuel cost) would probably more than compensate for the bus ticket cost. Still you need to check bus timetables, and account for the time needed to move around in FRA airport (Sixti is in a different terminal from Bohr bus stop), and take care of booking a seat on your return bus (as it leaves from Frankfurt HBF there's a risk that no more seats are available by the time it gets to FRA)
[quote]In all the times that I have hired through Sixti going for the VW polo or Smart I have ended up with Alfa Romeo Sypders, VW Fox, Ford Fiesta, all sorts of cars and only one time gladly did I get a car with the advertising hoarding on it. One can feel a bit embarassed arriving in GT or Oase with a bright orange painted car with hire this car from €5.00 a day!!![/quote]Most of the times I get a Smart with advertising on. I don't complain. It's very fuel efficient: either you get a diesel or a gasoline with ECO power management (stops the engine every time you're still with feet on the brake, and engine starts immediately as soon as you release the brakes). And every time I get on board and read the advertising, I chuckle to myself at the thought of the money I'm saving to be better invested in the hobby. Moreover, any girl which catches me arriving at a club can get an instant clue on my tipping habits!
Cheers!
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Thank you Gattonero
[QUOTE=Gattonero]Yes from experience, it occurred to me two times. I had booked for 2 days, and had to return the car after only one day. I was then charged for 1 day, all km in eccess of 100, and a cancellation fee of 6.94€+VAT (the rental per day was 8.39€+VAT+19% premium location). In both cases I ended up paying more than I would have without the amendment. One time that I already knew at pick-up time that I could keep the car only for one day (had booked for two days), and yet I had to travel more than 200km. Sixti desk attendant advised me not to change the booking and I would have just paid the prise for two days with 200km included. The invoice center nevertheless amended the invoice in their favour. When I later show this invoice to the attendant she was kind enough to send an email to the invoicing centre asking if I could be charged as for a two day booking instead, but I never got a reply. It's still to be seen what would happen in case the excess mileage would not be enough to compensate for the reimbursed fare for the unused rental day. I suspect the invoice procedure automatically chooses the case (amend or not amend original booking) most favorable to rental company.
I can confirm this experience too. In this case no excess km was chargeable, than an amendment to a 1 day no show charge + cancellation fee would still have been favorable to the customer. That's why we were still charged for two days.
Giving up part of the flexibility, and if you have plenty of time, you could maybe arrange a trip by a combination of car hire and public transport. Take the Bohr bus from HHN to Frankfurt, exit at FRA airport bus stop, and pick-up a Sixti there. Then drive the shorter route to Oase or whichever destination is in the area. The spared km (mileage charges and fuel cost) would probably more than compensate for the bus ticket cost. Still you need to check bus timetables, and account for the time needed to move around in FRA airport (Sixti is in a different terminal from Bohr bus stop), and take care of booking a seat on your return bus (as it leaves from Frankfurt HBF there's a risk that no more seats are available by the time it gets to FRA)
Most of the times I get a Smart with advertising on. I don't complain. It's very fuel efficient: either you get a diesel or a gasoline with ECO power management (stops the engine every time you're still with feet on the brake, and engine starts immediately as soon as you release the brakes). And every time I get on board and read the advertising, I chuckle to myself at the thought of the money I'm saving to be better invested in the hobby. Moreover, any girl which catches me arriving at a club can get an instant clue on my tipping habits!
Cheers![/QUOTE]
Thank you Gattonero for the advice. Your experience will help me shape my future trips to come.
For my next 2 day trip to FFM I am going into HHN as my entry point to the Continent then driving the 137km to Oase then 5km at the end of the night to my hotel and then next day 5km back to Oase and then at the end of that second night I drive back to HHN for flight home for another 137 km so totalling 284km if I do not take accidental detour. For this to get to 300km I have hired for 3 days but return the Sixti car back after 2 days.
Based on what you are saying from experience is that Sixti noting that I have returned the car early will charge me for the 2 days usage regardless that I had booked for 3 days and then charge an admin fee on top plus charge for km in excess of the 200 km for the revised 2 day car hire which in this case is 84 km at 15 cents a km or €12.60 plus VAT and service charge probably. Yes you are right that this will end up costing more than the original 3 day car hire of €43.15. As you say every saving made elsewhere means for cash for the hobby to keep the girls happy and in the business that makes us happy.
So next time I do this 2 day trip I should just book the 2 days and pay for the km in excess of 200 km free allowance which could be €23.85 for 2 days and say €12.60 for the excess km making €36.45 plus say €30 for petrol being generous gives a total of €66.45. This is still quite good for 2 days car hire and Hertz, Sixt, Europcar would be hard pushed to beat it.
Good way of thinking positively about when a girl working in the club may see you drive a car with the bright orange Sixti advertising on it and may think you cheap. But this is the exact thing you want her to think so she does not try it on to charge you extras as you will have none of it.
I always felt self conscious with driving a cheap Sixti hire car if it came with the bright orange adverts on it. Luckily for me and my ego I have only had the one time out of NRN where I took the Smart with the bright orange adverts on it. At HHN in their carpark I saw no Smarts and no bright orange coloured hire cars. All were for the small cars a VW fox or VW polo or Ford Fiesta.
Cheers,
Basketcase
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Pissing in the shower
Last night at Oase, as Dedalus and I were resting on the lounge chairs in the sauna, a corpulent Middle Eastern type emerged from the sauna wearing his robe, entered the cold shower room, and without even running the water, proceeded to tinkle away his bladder contents in the tiled shower that Oase thoughtfully built for our pleasure. He then entered the steam bath. Within 1 minute, a burly security guard entered the sauna hut, rinsed away the yellow deposit, and went looking for the filthy pig in the sauna. We pointed him to the steam bath but he laughed and opted to wait outside for the offender saying it was too wet in there.
Moral of the story-- saunas are videouberwacht, don't [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] where you sweat.
beffen-grossed out but amused
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[QUOTE=Beffen1]Last night at Oase, as Dedalus and I were resting on the lounge chairs in the sauna, a corpulent Middle Eastern type emerged from the sauna wearing his robe, entered the cold shower room, and without even running the water, proceeded to tinkle away his bladder contents in the tiled shower that Oase thoughtfully built for our pleasure. He then entered the steam bath. Within 1 minute, a burly security guard entered the sauna hut, rinsed away the yellow deposit, and went looking for the filthy pig in the sauna. We pointed him to the steam bath but he laughed and opted to wait outside for the offender saying it was too wet in there.
Moral of the story-- saunas are videouberwacht, don't [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] where you sweat.
beffen-grossed out but amused[/QUOTE]
Hey Beff,
I didn't see him the rest of the evening, so maybe he DID indeed get the ole' Bum's rush. One can only hope.
I like Oase, but for some reason to many of the clubs guests treat the facilities like a toilet. Pissing in the shower is tame compared to some of the stories I have heard.
Cheers,
Dedalus, hoping that the fat moose craps his pants one day in the midst of rush hour.
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Will we see an escapist boom in FKK visitor numbers?
Some have suggested the credit crunch and recession will lower the numbers of active FKK hobbyists. However I have just read an interesting blog on the recession which refferred to some interesting articles and statistics...
From the Times, London - an article discussing a sudden rise in STDs in the "City"
"We agreed that if someone is in danger of unemployment, or already jobless, then insecurity and loss of self-esteem may produce recklessness and a desire for escapism. And people who have been rejected, or are in danger of being rejected, by their bosses and clients, may feel the need to boost battered egos by displaying prowess at the bar and in the bed - often one after the other. Cummings has noticed not only a rise in the number of City workers with these diseases but also a deterioration in their liver-function tests. "
and from the Guardian newspaper website an amusing article giving statistics on the changing requests 118118 a national directory enquiries service are getting...
"The data gives a worrying picture of the nation's sexual predelictions. Requests for pole and lap dancing outlets were up 469%, calls for escort agencies increased by 40%, while calls for sex shops increased by 1,312%. "I hesitate to say that the UK has gone sex mad, but the figures do seem to paint their own picture"
As the blogger I was reading said in reference to the British publics apparent passive acceptance of a recession...
"This passivity has gone side by side with an outburst of hedonism and escapism"
So maybe as things get worse, and I believe there's a long way to go, we might see a sudden rush of people thinking "what the heck, I'll blow some money on FKK's, I'm going to be skint anyway". I can't think of a better way to "escape" the world for a few hours!
Thoughts?
DT
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Tipping
When going to a restaurant or taking a taxi should I leave a tip like here in the USA?
Thanks for any help
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[QUOTE=Chukar]When going to a restaurant or taking a taxi should I leave a tip like here in the USA?[/QUOTE]
You can. There's no obligation, service and tax is included in restaurants. If you do, it doesn't have to be 15%. Just round it up, so if taxi fare is 23,50 EUR, make it 25 EUR. If in the restaurant the bill is 56, make it 60. Depends on how good the service was.
HB
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My last romp in Deutschland...
[QUOTE=Dick Travel]Some have suggested the credit crunch and recession will lower the numbers of active FKK hobbyists. However I have just read an interesting blog on the recession which refferred to some interesting articles and statistics...
From the Times, London - an article discussing a sudden rise in STDs in the "City"
"We agreed that if someone is in danger of unemployment, or already jobless, then insecurity and loss of self-esteem may produce recklessness and a desire for escapism. And people who have been rejected, or are in danger of being rejected, by their bosses and clients, may feel the need to boost battered egos by displaying prowess at the bar and in the bed - often one after the other. Cummings has noticed not only a rise in the number of City workers with these diseases but also a deterioration in their liver-function tests. "
and from the Guardian newspaper website an amusing article giving statistics on the changing requests 118118 a national directory enquiries service are getting...
"The data gives a worrying picture of the nation's sexual predelictions. Requests for pole and lap dancing outlets were up 469%, calls for escort agencies increased by 40%, while calls for sex shops increased by 1,312%. "I hesitate to say that the UK has gone sex mad, but the figures do seem to paint their own picture"
As the blogger I was reading said in reference to the British publics apparent passive acceptance of a recession...
"This passivity has gone side by side with an outburst of hedonism and escapism"
So maybe as things get worse, and I believe there's a long way to go, we might see a sudden rush of people thinking "what the heck, I'll blow some money on FKK's, I'm going to be skint anyway". I can't think of a better way to "escape" the world for a few hours!
Thoughts?
DT[/QUOTE]
... there was, indeed, an escapist thing.
The reality of my shrunken investment portfolio won't go away. Ach!
Now that I am back, its back to the grindstone... until I can get away again.
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[QUOTE=Dick Travel]Some have suggested the credit crunch and recession will lower the numbers of active FKK hobbyists.[/QUOTE]I think it already has.
Guy I spoke to at Oase admitted he had financed his hobby for several years by borrowing and speculating in the boom. In other words he had been drawing on his book gains to service the gals. Now his portfolio is worth less than half what it was, and the debt is still there and being margin-called. Result: much less cash. At least he still strolls down the Oase colonnade from the carpark occasionally.
One way or another, this must be the situation of quite a few punters. Then there are the newly unemployed, which has really only just started in Germany.
I don't think Germans are mentally as reckless or escapist as the Brits described in those blogs. They will batten down the hatches financially (they usually do, probably too much for the health of the economy), and return when their income picks up again.
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[QUOTE=Toscana]
I don't think Germans are mentally as reckless or escapist as the Brits described in those blogs. They will batten down the hatches financially (they usually do, probably too much for the health of the economy), and return when their income picks up again.[/QUOTE]
And, if indeed the Germans start to curtail their FKKing seriously for several months (or longer?) until their personal finances improve, what will happen to the clubs in the meantime? If the normal numbers of local Stammgaeste start to dwindle to insignificant numbers, will there be a suffient day-to-day client base to keep these clubs operating...and (just as important) stocked with the right kind of SPs? That is the question....
Sure, maybe clubs like Palace and Oase in Hessen can keep on going, but clubs like F39, Babylon, etc (and there must be a host of them), which rely strongly (if not entirely) on local Deutsche clientele may be put to an evil stress test in the worst-case scenario...
Can anybody foresee the day that, just maybe, some of these clubs will only open Thurs - Sunday to spare operating costs? Or will they start to skimp on the food: Remember in the "Glory Days" World would spare no expense and serve such exotic dishes like "Hachbaellchen ala Toscana." In a few months they might have to sink down to "Spam ala Toscana." Now that would be SAD. You can see why Oase is my favourite club of the Hessen 3: You see they are well ahead of the curve in reducing the quality of the food they serve even before there was any financial crisis. And Palace is obviously managed by a smart, money-wise team: First they raised their Eintritt to 75E some time agoa and they turned down the heat in their water boiler by only allowing maximum shower temps to reach a tepid 31-degrees. That is smart!
Ortos
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Is there a FKK club near Munich airport
Hi all,
I am staying overnight at Munich airport (Kempinski hotel) whilst waiting for a flight on Sunday, so was looking at trying out an FKK club for the first time if there is one near (taxi ride) from Munich airport.
Any suggestions welcome guys, and also any advice for an FKK newbie.
Cheers all,
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FinancialKrise
[QUOTE=Toscana] Guy I spoke to at Oase admitted he had financed his hobby for several years by borrowing and speculating in the boom. In other words he had been drawing on his book gains to service the gals. Now his portfolio is worth less than half what it was, and the debt is still there and being margin-called. Result: much less cash. At least he still strolls down the Oase colonnade from the carpark occasionally.
One way or another, this must be the situation of quite a few punters. Then there are the newly unemployed, which has really only just started in Germany.
I don't think Germans are mentally as reckless or escapist as the Brits described in those blogs. They will batten down the hatches financially (they usually do, probably too much for the health of the economy), and return when their income picks up again.[/QUOTE]
Some of the girls are saying the same thing. One girl said that some of her regulars (Stammgast) no longer come to see her, the ones that do still come may still do the 1 or 2 hour session but may not go for the extras opting for the straight suck and fuck. I guess there will be less of the extravagance or opportunistic splash outs by guests.
The situation of the gentleman that you describe Toscana is not uncommon. There are guests that have portfolios that are underwater or lost all their gains or have even worth less than purchase price. Many peoples biggest asset is their house and these may be worth a lot less than they were before - it is still their home and tangible which they live in but in their minds they have less money since if it all went wrong they know that they would get less for it - but you still need a place to live.
Quite a lot of people who lose their jobs would not be able to survive very long without that cash flow coming in having no reserves or other avenues to tide them over until they find a new job. Many live on a hand to mouth existence. All this spending being taken out of the economy has destructive knock on effects on the economies of the world as you allude in your reference to Germans cutting back on spending.
We stare into the great abyss and go where angels fear to tread.
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[QUOTE=Basketcase]Some of the girls are saying the same thing. One girl said that some of her regulars (Stammgast) no longer come to see her, the ones that do still come may still do the 1 or 2 hour session but may not go for the extras opting for the straight suck and fuck. I guess there will be less of the extravagance or opportunistic splash outs by guests.
The situation of the gentleman that you describe Toscana is not uncommon. There are guests that have portfolios that are underwater or lost all their gains or have even worth less than purchase price. Many peoples biggest asset is their house and these may be worth a lot less than they were before - it is still their home and tangible which they live in but in their minds they have less money since if it all went wrong they know that they would get less for it - but you still need a place to live.
Quite a lot of people who lose their jobs would not be able to survive very long without that cash flow coming in having no reserves or other avenues to tide them over until they find a new job. Many live on a hand to mouth existence. All this spending being taken out of the economy has destructive knock on effects on the economies of the world as you allude in your reference to Germans cutting back on spending.
We stare into the great abyss and go where angels fear to tread.[/QUOTE]
Germans are quite conservative by nature. Most keep their money in bonds instead of stocks. The housing market is one of the few in Europe that did not become inflated and thus, prices will not fall much. What will hurt is the unemployment and bonus money. I think the thing to watch for is the number of high end cars at the clubs. Frankfurt may hurt quite a bit because of the crisis in banking. Also, Messe traffic will be down as cos. cut back on travel expenses. Right now some of the clubs are subtlely cutting back whicle others are improving service in hopes of attracting more customers. As usual, the best will survive and the marginal ones will die. That is just capitalism.
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[QUOTE=Akibono]I think the thing to watch for is the number of high end cars at the clubs.[/QUOTE]That's right. The future is girls in the Mercs and the customers in rented Polish minivans. LOL.
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The answer is Nein
[QUOTE=KentsBest]Hi all,
I am staying overnight at Munich airport (Kempinski hotel) whilst waiting for a flight on Sunday, so was looking at trying out an FKK club for the first time if there is one near (taxi ride) from Munich airport.
Any suggestions welcome guys, and also any advice for an FKK newbie.
Cheers all,[/QUOTE]
Best to take a train to Augsburg and visit ColA.
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FKK in Duesseldorf area
I know there is plenty of information about this in the forum but the sheer volume of the information is so overwhelming, so I would like to ask if someone could recommend me the following - I will be staying for two nights in Duesseldorf. Could you recommend the two best clubs I can go in the two nights (by best meaning best quality of girls even if it is more expensive), considering that I will be using public transportation to get there, and also good hotel as a base to those clubs so the travel time is not more than 40-50 minutes in one direction?
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[QUOTE=Tomrifle]I know there is plenty of information about this in the forum but the sheer volume of the information is so overwhelming, so I would like to ask if someone could recommend me the following - I will be staying for two nights in Duesseldorf. Could you recommend the two best clubs I can go in the two nights (by best meaning best quality of girls even if it is more expensive), considering that I will be using public transportation to get there, and also good hotel as a base to those clubs so the travel time is not more than 40-50 minutes in one direction?[/QUOTE]
Hey,
Best bet for you is probably Living Room in Kaarst.
From D'dorf the club is easily reachable by train. Get on the S-Bahn in the direction of "Kaarster See" and get off at the "Kaarst IKEA" stop. Some connections may require you to change trains in "Neuss" but the direct train (S-28) seems to run from D'dorf HBF pretty often. 'Bout a 25 min. trip.
From the IKEA stop, it is maybe a five minute walk to LR. There are also a couple of good hotels close by. The Park Inn and ISA Sport Hotel. ISA is literally across the street from Living Room.
Samya in Köln might also be an option. Others would have better logistical info on Samya for you than myself, but it is certainly reachable by public transportation.
Getting to Golden with trains, buses and taxis is a gigantic pain, and in the end, renting a car (rates are not at all that bad) is just plain easier. With this option, riding the "GT/LR Express" becomes a viable option. The Express basically involves, hitting GT, staying there until the evening, getting a 25 EUR entry-pass for LR and hitting that club until it closes at 3 AM. Pretty difficult not to find many good ladies with that plan.
Cheers and good luck,
Dedalus
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Mongering Google map.....
This might help some people who want to know where the nearest club to point X, Y , or Z may be...
[url]http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=112127550579963948884.00045d515d0f87adf527e&z=5[/url]
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Now this is helpful!!!!
[QUOTE=CT Dude]This might help some people who want to know where the nearest club to point X, Y , or Z may be...
[url]http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=112127550579963948884.00045d515d0f87adf527e&z=5[/url][/QUOTE]
This googlemap stuff is cool ...
euro
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Samya
[QUOTE=Dedalus]Hey,
Best bet for you is probably Living Room in Kaarst.
From D'dorf the club is easily reachable by train. Get on the S-Bahn in the direction of "Kaarster See" and get off at the "Kaarst IKEA" stop. Some connections may require you to change trains in "Neuss" but the direct train (S-28) seems to run from D'dorf HBF pretty often. 'Bout a 25 min. trip.
From the IKEA stop, it is maybe a five minute walk to LR. There are also a couple of good hotels close by. The Park Inn and ISA Sport Hotel. ISA literally across the street from Living Room.
Samya in Köln might also be an option. Others would have better logistically info on Samya for you than myself, but it is certainly reachable by public transportation.
Getting to Golden with trains, buses and taxis is a gigantic pain, and in the end, renting a car (rates are not at all that bad) is just plain easier. With this option, riding the "GT/LR Express" becomes a viable option. The Express basically involves, hitting GT, staying there until the evening, getting a 25 EUR entry-pass for LR and hitting that club until it closes at 3 AM. Pretty difficult not to find many good ladies with that plan.
Cheers and good luck,
Dedalus[/QUOTE]
Let me give you public transport directions to Samya.
Take the train to the Koeln Hbf from the DUS Hbf. Take the Regionalbahn if you can. The S-bahn also takes you there but makes more stops. You can also take the ICE trains.
At the Koeln Hbf you connect to the subway. The station is in the corner closest to the cathedral. Buy a ticket at the maschine and don't forget to have it validated before you get on the train. I can't remember which line but it is the one heading south which heads to Rodenkirchen and stops at Michaelshoven. Its one of those "I can recognize it when I see it" things. I stand on the track and say to myself "this is the one".
Get off the train at Michaelshoven and walk in the direction the train came from. You'll cross over the tracks and keep going. You'll be in an industrial area. Cross the main road and keep going. You'll see a brewery on your right. About a couple of hundred yards later you'll make a right turn and in a hundred yards or so you'll be at Samya.
Total travel depends on how quickly you make your connection. I'd say it would take you about an hour door to door.
My personal favorite in DUS is Blue Note but it is small and cramped and it is not a club to visit if you are into facilities and aren't into local German speaking women like I am.
For my "lay of the land", read this;
[post]845274[/post]
Jackyo, your NRW travel specialist
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Bless you, CT Dude.
Will put it to use next week to prepare for a bit of an off my normal track travel.
Note to Tomrifle and Jackyo. I am almost sure but better check at the Koeln H'hof that the subway- really a light rail route - to Samya ( Michaelshoven) as described by Jackyo is Number 6.
E.
[QUOTE=CT Dude]This might help some people who want to know where the nearest club to point X, Y , or Z may be...
[url]http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=112127550579963948884.00045d515d0f87adf527e&z=5[/url][/QUOTE]
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Thank you, Dedalus.
After what time the entrance to the Living room gets 25 euro?
I wonder - would I have better options if I take hotel in Cologne or even in Dortmund (as I will be flying in and out of Dortmund) - what would be the best clubs to get by public transportation from Cologne for example? Also I found highly recommended in this ofrum clubs like Babylon, Cocoon, Dolce Vita - which of these three cities (Duesseldorf, Cologne, Dormund) would be the best starting point for them?
[QUOTE=Dedalus]Hey,
Best bet for you is probably Living Room in Kaarst.
From D'dorf the club is easily reachable by train. Get on the S-Bahn in the direction of "Kaarster See" and get off at the "Kaarst IKEA" stop. Some connections may require you to change trains in "Neuss" but the direct train (S-28) seems to run from D'dorf HBF pretty often. 'Bout a 25 min. trip.
From the IKEA stop, it is maybe a five minute walk to LR. There are also a couple of good hotels close by. The Park Inn and ISA Sport Hotel. ISA is literally across the street from Living Room.
Samya in Köln might also be an option. Others would have better logistical info on Samya for you than myself, but it is certainly reachable by public transportation.
Getting to Golden with trains, buses and taxis is a gigantic pain, and in the end, renting a car (rates are not at all that bad) is just plain easier. With this option, riding the "GT/LR Express" becomes a viable option. The Express basically involves, hitting GT, staying there until the evening, getting a 25 EUR entry-pass for LR and hitting that club until it closes at 3 AM. Pretty difficult not to find many good ladies with that plan.
Cheers and good luck,
Dedalus[/QUOTE]
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Samya
Gentlemen,
The line from Koln HBF to Michaelshoven is STR16.
Travel time is 25 minutes.
Z
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Thanks Zelatrix, 16 instead of 6 it is and I stand corrected.
Seems that I lost a digit, something I try to do in the room as well. ;-))))
E.
[QUOTE=Zelatrix]Gentlemen,
The line from Koln HBF to Michaelshoven is STR16.
Travel time is 25 minutes.
Z[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Tomrifle]Thank you, Dedalus.
After what time the entrance to the Living room gets 25 euro?
I wonder - would I have better options if I take hotel in Cologne or even in Dortmund (as I will be flying in and out of Dortmund) - what would be the best clubs to get by public transportation from Cologne for example? Also I found highly recommended in this ofrum clubs like Babylon, Cocoon, Dolce Vita - which of these three cities (Duesseldorf, Cologne, Dormund) would be the best starting point for them?[/QUOTE]
Hey,
Entrance to Living Room is only 25 EUR if you have first been to Golden Time and pick up a pass there.
Dortmund has a lot of smaller clubs nearby. One that sometimes gets some press is "Mausi", sometimes know as Aplerbeck. Small club that is more oriented to the locals. Freude 39 is in or near Bochum and is pretty popular with some people on this board. I've never been there so they could give you better intel on the place than I could.
Köln is not a bad option (and a GREAT town), however Samya is probably on the only worthwhile club that is practical to reach with public transportation. Theoretically you could get to Babylon by taking the train to Bergheim and then a taxi to Elsdorf. A car is much easier.
BTW, I am reading and hear some pretty good intel about Babylon lately. Especially about a girl there named Mandy. Word is that the management is trying to restore the place to its old glory. I have not been there in years, but I am planning a return visit soon.
Personally, I'd stick to overnighting in D'dorf. Dolce Vita involves a simple train ride to D'dorf Reisholz and a 3 to 5 minute walk. No sure how that place is fairing these days. It was one of the first clubs that I tvisited way back in the day. Never been to Cocoon with public transport, but Wuppertal is closer to D'dorf than Köln.
Cheers,
Dedalus
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Clubs in NRW
[QUOTE=Dedalus]Hey,
Entrance to Living Room is only 25 EUR if you have first been to Golden Time and pick up a pass there.
Dortmund has a lot of smaller clubs nearby. One that sometimes gets some press is "Mausi", sometimes know as Aplerbeck. Small club that is more oriented to the locals. Freude 39 is in or near Bochum and is pretty popular with some people on this board. I've never bee there so they could give you better intel on the place than I could.
Köln is not a bad option (and a GREAT town), however Samya is probably on the only worthwhile club that is practical to reach with public transportation. Theoretically you could get to Babylon by taking the train to Bergheim and then a taxi to Elsdorf. A car is much easier.
BTW, I am reading and hear some pretty good intel about Babylon lately. Especially about a girl there named Mandy. Word is that the management is trying to restore the place to its old glory. I have not been there in years, but I am planning a return visit soon.
Personally, I'd stick to overnighting in D'dorf. Dolce Vita involves a simple train ride to D'dorf Reisholz and a 3 to 5 minute walk. No sure how that place is fairing these days. It was one of the first clubs that I visited way back in the day. Never been to Cocoon with public transport, but Wuppertal is closer to D'dorf than Köln.
Cheers,
Dedalus[/QUOTE]
Mausi's club is known to turn non-Germans away. It is a former Red Carpet just as a number of clubs in the Ruhr were.
Freude 39 is also a former Red Carpet. I don't know where the forced sale situation of the club is these days but its ownership has been linked to the ownership of Artemis in Berlin.
I love Koeln. I'd move there in a heartbeat. [i]Hurenhauptstadt Deutschlands[/i]. But then its rival city, Duesseldorf, is a great place to hang out too. There are more flights in and out of the DUS airport than CGN.
The other choices in and near Koeln are Salon Rouge (last Iseeu posted about this, it has some kind of loose affiliation with Bernds) but then also Nyloncafe, Teenyland, Residenz, Agentur Caro (I will make a list of clubs on which we don't have any reports on ISG for future research)
Yes, Babylon has been getting lots of good press and I would put it on a list of clubs to visit. It does require a train to taxi switch though. Yes, Mandy seems to be the current star of this club.
Dolce Vita is very easy to get to from DUS Hbf. It doesn't have an outstanding selection these days and there have been recent reports here about the women preying on tourists.
Cocoon is easy to get to though it involves a train to bus transfer. Get off at the Wuppertal-Oberbarmen stop and then switch to a bus (I forget the number but it is the one which stops at the first bus stop on the sidewalk just under the [i]Schwebebahn[/i]). Then get off at Schmiedestrasse. Walk past the seafood restaurant until the traffic circle. Turn left there ([i]das heisst[/i] make a 90 degree turn left) and then after a hundred yards or so you will see the club on the right. The club has suffered since they lost access to the rooms of the hotel next door. I've met nice, talkative local girls with large natural tits here.
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Future research on NRW clubs
These NRW clubs have not been reviewed and/or haven't been reviewed enough on this forum.
Agentur Caro
Club M
Residenz
Nylon Cafe
Teenyland
Panthera
Arena
Pegasus (the former Parksauna Wildenrath)
Atrium
Steffis Waldsauna (or whatever it is called these days)
La Bedo
Salon Rouge
Mediteran
Penelope
Grimbergsauna
Villa Romantika
Villa Arabella
Mausi's
Extasia (or whatever the former Wiago is now known as)
The former Alibaba in Wuppertal
Any takers? Are there any other fans of "off the beaten path" clubs like myself?
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Babylon last week
[QUOTE=Dedalus]Köln is not a bad option (and a GREAT town), however Samya is probably on the only worthwhile club that is practical to reach with public transportation. Theoretically you could get to Babylon by taking the train to Bergheim and then a taxi to Elsdorf. A car is much easier.
BTW, I am reading and hear some pretty good intel about Babylon lately. Especially about a girl there named Mandy. Word is that the management is trying to restore the place to its old glory. I have not been there in years, but I am planning a return visit soon.[/QUOTE]
I happened to be in the area last Thursday and made a 5 hour visit to Babylon. Will post a longer report soon, but the place was hopping with mongers and I spoke a bit with Eddy the manager about his attempts to revive its long lost splendor. Sadly, there were only 8 SP in the house during my visit and with 20 or more mongers at all times, lots of waiting while looking forlornly at men in towels was in order, as there were almost never any women relaxing in the lounge. Not the way to revive a club.
I did find time for Mandy (yes, definitely the current star of the club, constantly in demand and I literally had to accost her at the door to the girl's locker room to reserve a session with her), Minou and Leila, who was the only one of the current crop who remembered the free and open atmosphere that this club built its reputation on.
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[QUOTE=Iseeu]I happened to be in the area last Thursday and made a 5 hour visit to Babylon. Will post a longer report soon, but the place was hopping with mongers and I spoke a bit with Eddy the manager about his attempts to revive its long lost splendor. Sadly, there were only 8 SP in the house during my visit and with 20 or more mongers at all times, lots of waiting while looking forlornly at men in towels was in order, as there were almost never any women relaxing in the lounge. Not the way to revive a club.
I did find time for Mandy (yes, definitely the current star of the club, constantly in demand and I literally had to accost her at the door to the girl's locker room to reserve a session with her), Minou and Leila, who was the only one of the current crop who remembered the free and open atmosphere that this club built its reputation on.[/QUOTE]
Hey Iseeu,
I'm really looking forward to your thoughts and observations of Babylon. Back in the day, this use to be my favorite place to call on. Absolutely incredible standards across to board!!!
Did you do a daytime visit? When I was a frequenter of the place, I have my best times earlier in the day on weekdays, when most normal people were working. The line-ups didn't change that much from pre-noon to afternoon and grabbing one of the Top-Acts (nearly ever girl there was a Top-Act back then) didn't involve waiting in line. A Gent had to be pretty aggressive to grab Nina or Sabrina in the late afternoons.
Gonna try and make it up there sometime in the next few weeks. Plus, it would be good if there were more options than just Mandy. I understand that Sabine, Liesa and Anita are pretty decent numbers as well.
Cheers,
Dedalus
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Eddy is very responsive though
[QUOTE=Iseeu]I happened to be in the area last Thursday and made a 5 hour visit to Babylon. Will post a longer report soon, but the place was hopping with mongers and I spoke a bit with Eddy the manager about his attempts to revive its long lost splendor. Sadly, there were only 8 SP in the house during my visit and with 20 or more mongers at all times, lots of waiting while looking forlornly at men in towels was in order, as there were almost never any women relaxing in the lounge. Not the way to revive a club.
I did find time for Mandy (yes, definitely the current star of the club, constantly in demand and I literally had to accost her at the door to the girl's locker room to reserve a session with her), Minou and Leila, who was the only one of the current crop who remembered the free and open atmosphere that this club built its reputation on.[/QUOTE]
I spoke to him at length when I dropped in on this place with Feldi from the RF. Cool guy and very eager to do the right thing. If it is something that needs fixing, he will fix it.
Are the photos from years gone by still up on the walls? It was like a trip down memory lane for me.
I don't think Nina ever had her photo taken but [i]egal[/i]. I have that woman's every curve embedded in my minds eye.
It makes me ask myself every now and then if she was more than just an illusion. (Yes, years after the fact, my mind will wander back to that time.) I've been to lots of clubs and met lots of women since but no one has come even close. She personified sex.
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Nina
[QUOTE=Jackyo]
I don't think Nina ever had her photo taken but [i]egal[/i]. I have that woman's every curve embedded in my minds eye.
It makes me ask myself every now and then if she was more than just an illusion. (Yes, years after the fact, my mind will wander back to that time.) I've been to lots of clubs and met lots of women since but no one has come even close. She personified sex.[/QUOTE]
Hey J,
Still to this day, my finest club experiences were with her. Stunning young lady! Beauty, class, and just effin' smokin' during sex!!! The girl's looks could cool out many of the optick-acts at Palace, Oase or GT. No exaggeration.
She was only in the biz for a little over a year, but it was a great year when she was working. Even had a Bernd's-style-number with her in the main contact room once.
Hope that wherever she is today that she is doing well.
Cheers,
Dedalus
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Nasty Surprise from Thrifty Car Rental
Rented a car from Thrifty. If you plan on using the the collison insurance guaranty from your credit card, you MUST have either a VISA or Mastercard Platinum Card AND a letter from the credit card company specifically stating that they cover you when renting a car in Germany. If you don't have both, you MUST purchase the CDW (15E+ per day) and post a 600E to 2000E charge hold on your credit card. Doesn't look like they're interested in keeping my business.
Just for S and Gs, I did a look up for a rental with Hertz, it was less than the Thrifty AND included the CDW in the basic cost.
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The problem with meeting a chick like this (Nina)...
[QUOTE=Dedalus]Hey J,
Still to this day, my finest club experiences were with her. Stunning young lady! Beauty, class, and just effin' smokin' during sex!!! The girl's looks could cool out nay of the optick-acts at Palace, Oase or GT. No exaggeration.
She was only in the biz for a little over a year, but it was a great year when she was working. Even had a Bernd's-style-number with her in the main contact room once.
Hope that wherever she is today that she is doing well.
Cheers,
Dedalus[/QUOTE]
.. is that you are forever spoiled for life.
Nobody over the years has come close. Nobody.
The search continues to find someone similar or even half as amazing. Maybe, just maybe, that next club visit will unearth such a gem again.
I did not know at the time that she was a once in a lifetime event.
Kind of like Haley's comet.
I'm sure Eddy would be delighted for her to make a comeback. How old would she be now? 26 or 27?
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[QUOTE=Jackyo]
I'm sure Eddy would be delighted for her to make a comeback. How old would she be now? 26 or 27?[/QUOTE]
Hey J,
Sounds about right. I first went with her in 2000 and she was 18 back then according to her. Lots of talent for a that age.
Cheers,
Dedalus
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Google Map Project
I wish to point your attention to this very ambitious Google Map Project, which might come in handy:
[url]http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ptab=2&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112127550579963948884.00045d515d0f87adf527e&z=5[/url]
User "pauerbütter" has compiled the list and plotted the locations. All credits go to him - don't forget to write a comment to the map and say thanks!
Might I suggest that this post be made into a "sticky" for everyone's convenience?
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Any info on Private Studios?
Hi guys,
I was wondering if anyone knew of about the establishment called Private Studios in Deusseldorf? I looked at their website but the women seem too beautiful to be true. Here is the website:
[url]http://www.termingirls.com/now_available.php[/url]
I will be making a week long fkk tour around March 15th and would like to know if this place is worth visiting.
Thanks for any info you may about this place!
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Nein
[QUOTE=Takedown]Hi guys,
I was wondering if anyone knew of about the establishment called Private Studios in Deusseldorf? I looked at their website but the women seem too beautiful to be true. Here is the website:
[url]http://www.termingirls.com/now_available.php[/url]
I will be making a week long fkk tour around March 15th and would like to know if this place is worth visiting.
Thanks for any info you may about this place![/QUOTE]
I've never heard of this place but that it isn't worthwhile.
I'd check the RF (the Rhein version) to see if anyone has been:
[url]www.rheinforum.com[/url]
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[QUOTE=Jackyo]I've never heard of this place but that it isn't worthwhile.
I'd check the RF (the Rhein version) to see if anyone has been:
[url]www.rheinforum.com[/url][/QUOTE]Thank you, is there an english website perhaps?
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[QUOTE=Takedown]Hi guys,
I was wondering if anyone knew of about the establishment called Private Studios in Deusseldorf? I looked at their website but the women seem too beautiful to be true. Here is the website:
[url]http://www.termingirls.com/now_available.php[/url]
I will be making a week long fkk tour around March 15th and would like to know if this place is worth visiting.
Thanks for any info you may about this place![/QUOTE]
As Jackyo mentioned [url]www.rheinforum.com[/url] is the place for the up to date reports on the private clubs but if you can't speak German then it can be a bit of a problem.
I have had a look on the Rheinforum site and there is a long thread about this club that has been on-going for the last 2 1/2 years. If you are interested do a search for "Ungarische Mädchen in Ratingen – sehr gut" and you will find the thread.
According to the report this is a real club and the pictures of the women are how they look in the flesh. These are all women from Hungary and there is some debate within the thread as to whether one or more of the women are porn stars. Some people think that Paris is Dina Pearl and Sharon is Anita Too.
I haven't looked through the complete thread but there are very favourable reviews of Nadja, Kimberly and Jordan.
From the Termingirls site it looks like these women are only available for one or two weeks at a time so have a look on the site to see if the girl of your choice is going to be there during your visit.
If you do end up visiting the place then write a quick report on the girl so we know how it went. There are some stunning girls on the homepage (although a little too much silicone for my liking) but it could be worth a trip as they charge €100 for 30 mins and €150 for 1 hour. If you are only looking for one session then this is pretty much the same as paying €50 for entry to a club and then either €50 for 30 mins or €100 for an hour.
One thing to mention is that this isn't a FKK club. It will be a place where you enter and are shown to a room, all of the girls will introduce themselves one by one and then you will make your choice and head off with that girl. There won't be any sauna/kino/food facilities and when you are finished with the girl you will be expected to leave.
BTW - Sandy on this site has been spotted at GT so some of the other girls may also work in the clubs now and again.
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The answer is Nein!
[QUOTE=Takedown]Thank you, is there an english website perhaps?[/QUOTE]
Nope, you will need to be able to read non-school book German.
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Termingirls, Ratingen
[QUOTE=Warsteiner]
According to the report this is a real club and the pictures of the women are how they look in the flesh. These are all women from Hungary and there is some debate within the thread as to whether one or more of the women are porn stars. Some people think that Paris is Dina Pearl and Sharon is Anita Too.
I haven't looked through the complete thread but there are very favourable reviews of Nadja, Kimberly and Jordan.
From the Termingirls site it looks like these women are only available for one or two weeks at a time so have a look on the site to see if the girl of your choice is going to be there during your visit.
If you do end up visiting the place then write a quick report on the girl so we know how it went. There are some stunning girls on the homepage (although a little too much silicone for my liking) but it could be worth a trip as they charge €100 for 30 mins and €150 for 1 hour. If you are only looking for one session then this is pretty much the same as paying €50 for entry to a club and then either €50 for 30 mins or €100 for an hour.
One thing to mention is that this isn't a FKK club. It will be a place where you enter and are shown to a room, all of the girls will introduce themselves one by one and then you will make your choice and head off with that girl. There won't be any sauna/kino/food facilities and when you are finished with the girl you will be expected to leave.
BTW - Sandy on this site has been spotted at GT so some of the other girls may also work in the clubs now and again.[/QUOTE]
Hey Warsteiner,
I went there a few times last year. Had sessions with Barbara, Jessica and Sandra.
The house is in the middle of nowhere. I called ahead of time to "reserve" one of the girls. No big deal and one can probably do a "walk-in" without any problems.
The pics on the website back then were a little misleading. Can't remember the names of the girls I saw, but many were both older and larger than the web shots would indicate. Barbara, while certainly not unattractive, was not quite the beauty she is in her photos. Still a smokin' body, but her face has seen some years. Still a pretty decent session, but a step or two away from FKK standards.
Sandra was pretty good, and also pretty close to the photos on the site. Easily the best of the three that I tried. Jessica, whose photos are no longer there, was the biggest letdown. Very hot body (I like bolt-ons, so that was no problem for me) and not at all unattractive, but a dud in the sack.
I always wanted to catch Ciara Bugatti (who was never there when I was in town) or Sabrina (who looked quite fine in person and very "sympathisch".
The place is run as a discreet bordello house. In other words, they do there best to keep you from seeing or having contact with other guests. It is a nice and sizable multi-storied house. Each room that I was in had a connected bathroom with showers and tubs. Very clean.
A gent is met at the door my a nice older lady who calls your "Termingirl" if she is ready, or leads you to a room where you wait for her. You pay your 100, or whatever, take a pre-session shower and your off to the races.
Both Barbara and Jessica were mechanical compared to a good FKK standard (although Barbara was much more skilled and friendly than Jessica). Jessica did not allow kissing and while Barbara did, she kept it at a bare minimum.
Sandra's performance standards could do her proud at any good FKK. Definitely worth a repeat.
Overall it is not a bad experience, and I certainly wouldn't mind trying a few others on there Termingirls menu. I've already mentioned Ciara and Sabrina. Kimberly, Andrea, Claudia, Nina and Kendra also gun my jets.
I suppose that a guy could get there with a taxi, but a car would definitely be the most convenient. Ratingen is not that far from the D'dorf airport. The driveway to the house is about as narrow as Sandra's hips, and parking can be just as tight at times.
Personally I prefer the sauna clubs and fkks, but Ratingen can be a nice change of pace.
Oh yeah, most of the girls do outcall as well. Prices are pretty stiff. Usually 1000 for 12 hours or 1800 for 24 hours. I wonder if that could be negotiated.
Cheers,
Dedalus
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Thank you for the info.
I'll definitely check the place out and report back to you guys.
[QUOTE=Warsteiner]As Jackyo mentioned [url]www.rheinforum.com[/url] is the place for the up to date reports on the private clubs but if you can't speak German then it can be a bit of a problem.
I have had a look on the Rheinforum site and there is a long thread about this club that has been on-going for the last 2 1/2 years. If you are interested do a search for "Ungarische Mädchen in Ratingen – sehr gut" and you will find the thread.
According to the report this is a real club and the pictures of the women are how they look in the flesh. These are all women from Hungary and there is some debate within the thread as to whether one or more of the women are porn stars. Some people think that Paris is Dina Pearl and Sharon is Anita Too.
I haven't looked through the complete thread but there are very favourable reviews of Nadja, Kimberly and Jordan.
From the Termingirls site it looks like these women are only available for one or two weeks at a time so have a look on the site to see if the girl of your choice is going to be there during your visit.
If you do end up visiting the place then write a quick report on the girl so we know how it went. There are some stunning girls on the homepage (although a little too much silicone for my liking) but it could be worth a trip as they charge €100 for 30 mins and €150 for 1 hour. If you are only looking for one session then this is pretty much the same as paying €50 for entry to a club and then either €50 for 30 mins or €100 for an hour.
One thing to mention is that this isn't a FKK club. It will be a place where you enter and are shown to a room, all of the girls will introduce themselves one by one and then you will make your choice and head off with that girl. There won't be any sauna/kino/food facilities and when you are finished with the girl you will be expected to leave.
BTW - Sandy on this site has been spotted at GT so some of the other girls may also work in the clubs now and again.[/QUOTE]
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Mongering map
[QUOTE=Charles Browne]I wish to point your attention to this very ambitious Google Map Project, which might come in handy:
[url]http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ptab=2&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112127550579963948884.00045d515d0f87adf527e&z=5[/url]
User "pauerbütter" has compiled the list and plotted the locations. All credits go to him - don't forget to write a comment to the map and say thanks![/QUOTE]
Excellent list, I praise user "pauerbütter" for his painstaking effort.
I'd also like to mention the [url=http://www.openstreetmap.org/]Openstreetmap[/url] free map project as a possibly suitable platform for building a specialized world wide mongering map. The relevant information is centered around the key/value couple amenity=brothel. Additional relevant information can be added with more key/value couples.
A visual clue of the clubs already inserted into the database can be easily obtained through the [url=http://toolserver.org/~kolossos/osm/index.php]OSM Query-to-map[/url] tool. Entering the text amenity=brothel into the node field will yield the complete list of brothels marked as a single point. To limit the query to a specific rectangular geographical area it is possible to enter the relevant data in the BoundaryBox field, listing the limits, expressed in decimal degrees, in a comma separated west,south,east,north sequence. Only the name of the club and node_id reference is shown on the map. To get the complete information about a club it is possible to query the database with [url]http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/node_id[/url] sintax. For example, Bernd has currently a node_id value 336851583. Visiting [url]http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/336851583[/url] will show all node related information.
The Query-to-map script doesn't seem to work very well at the moment for clubs whose complete building outline is inserted in the map as a way.
Another approach to query the database is by visiting [url]http://www.informationfreeway.org/api/0.5/*[amenity=brothel][/url]. The downloaded .osm file contains all information, and could be read with any text editor. For example, Palace is entered with way id='29495317'. Visiting [url]http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/29495317[/url] its information is presented in more readable form.
The data set presently collected in Openstreetmap is still very limited, but everybody is welcome to join the mappers community and add his own information for the benefit of everyone else.
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Anyone ever rented from Casual Car Rental in Frankfurt?
It looks like they some relationship Sixt. After my last experience with Thrifty/Dollar, I've decide to go to a different vendor where I will hopefully be abused at a lower cost.
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Trip Observations
I recently completed my second trip to Germany. So now I am an expert: ). This trip was 12 days I will admit towards the end I got to much of a good thing even though I did not go to the clubs everyday.
This trip I ran into a lot of fellow ISGers, most lurkers and some who post. This of course made the time in the clubs more enjoyable. On one long day in Oase I spent a lot of time talking to 2 other mongers. I think we all did 3 sessions. I found it interesting all 3 of us were looking for completely different types of looks in the girls. One of my mates went with the famous blond Hanna. I thought she was nice looking and looked liked she would be great session. I did not have any desire for her. Thankfully we all liked something different in the girls we were searching.
Another thing I found to be true for me is being able to find what you want in a session if you take your time and talk to a girl before deciding. Although I agree with my Icebear friend that the older girls give better service than the young optiflk girls, I have found this is not always true. On this trip I decided if and when I found one of these optiflk girls I liked I was going to go with her. After all this is a fun fantasy trip right? And nothing is guaranteed.
Thank You Jackson, ISG, and all the fellow mongers I met on this great trip.
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Babylon Report
Hey Ded, et al,
Just posted a report on my visit to Babylon last month on the Babylon thread.
Happy to receive your comments and thoughts.
Bottom Line: Those incredible standards look to be a thing of the past. I was there in the late afternoon and grabbing any of the doable acts was a chore, due to the insufficient lineup vs. the line of unconsummated men.
I can recommend Leyla and Mahe (know her from her short Bernd's career) in addition to Sabrina and Mandy.
Lokking forward to reading of your return to the Tower of Babel. Let me know when you're planning a trip up and I'll see if I can join you. Promised Eddy that I'd give it another shot on a non-party day.
[QUOTE=Dedalus]Hey Iseeu,
I'm really looking forward to your thoughts and observations of Babylon. Back in the day, this use to be my favorite place to call on. Absolutely incredible standards across to board!!!
Did you do a daytime visit? When I was a frequenter of the place, I have my best times earlier in the day on weekdays, when most normal people were working. The line-ups didn't change that much from pre-noon to afternoon and grabbing one of the Top-Acts (nearly ever girl there was a Top-Act back then) didn't involve waiting in line. A Gent had to be pretty aggressive to grab Nina or Sabrina in the late afternoons.
Gonna try and make it up there sometime in the next few weeks. Plus, it would be good if there were more options than just Mandy. I understand that Sabine, Liesa and Anita are pretty decent numbers as well.
Cheers,
Dedalus[/QUOTE]
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Thanks for the review of termingirls. The pics on their website definitely look nice, although I am sure photoshop enhancements were done. Did you find any of the girls speak any English? Being able to communicate with a girl seem to enhance a session, at least for me.
[QUOTE=Warsteiner]As Jackyo mentioned [url]www.rheinforum.com[/url] is the place for the up to date reports on the private clubs but if you can't speak German then it can be a bit of a problem.
I have had a look on the Rheinforum site and there is a long thread about this club that has been on-going for the last 2 1/2 years. If you are interested do a search for "Ungarische Mädchen in Ratingen – sehr gut" and you will find the thread.
According to the report this is a real club and the pictures of the women are how they look in the flesh. These are all women from Hungary and there is some debate within the thread as to whether one or more of the women are porn stars. Some people think that Paris is Dina Pearl and Sharon is Anita Too.
I haven't looked through the complete thread but there are very favourable reviews of Nadja, Kimberly and Jordan.
From the Termingirls site it looks like these women are only available for one or two weeks at a time so have a look on the site to see if the girl of your choice is going to be there during your visit.
If you do end up visiting the place then write a quick report on the girl so we know how it went. There are some stunning girls on the homepage (although a little too much silicone for my liking) but it could be worth a trip as they charge €100 for 30 mins and €150 for 1 hour. If you are only looking for one session then this is pretty much the same as paying €50 for entry to a club and then either €50 for 30 mins or €100 for an hour.
One thing to mention is that this isn't a FKK club. It will be a place where you enter and are shown to a room, all of the girls will introduce themselves one by one and then you will make your choice and head off with that girl. There won't be any sauna/kino/food facilities and when you are finished with the girl you will be expected to leave.
BTW - Sandy on this site has been spotted at GT so some of the other girls may also work in the clubs now and again.[/QUOTE]
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Dusseldorf options
I am going next week for two nights in Dusseldorf. So first night is pretty clear - I'll go to Living Room in Kaarst as this is the easiest to get to by public transport and is highly recommended in this forum.
I am still debating on the second night - would the best thing be to go to Samya in Cologne (which according to the forum is 1 hour door to door from DUS), or there is another club within Dusseldorf or closer than Cologne, that is also as good as LR and Samya? Which is closer and easier to get to by public transport- Cocoon in Wuppertal or Samya in Cologne?
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I was wondering if anyone knows anything about [url]http://www.erotica-deluxe.de/ueber-uns.php[/url] ?
Blauer
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From DUS
[QUOTE=Tomrifle]I am going next week for two nights in Dusseldorf. So first night is pretty clear - I'll go to Living Room in Kaarst as this is the easiest to get to by public transport and is highly recommended in this forum.
I am still debating on the second night - would the best thing be to go to Samya in Cologne (which according to the forum is 1 hour door to door from DUS), or there is another club within Dusseldorf or closer than Cologne, that is also as good as LR and Samya? Which is closer and easier to get to by public transport- Cocoon in Wuppertal or Samya in Cologne?[/QUOTE]
You should find my post which summarizes your options from DUS and in NRW in general.
I'd say that from DUS to Cocoon and to Samya is about the same amount of time.
The trip to Cocoon involves changing to bus at Wuppertal-Oberbarmen and that you might find complicated if you can't figure out which bus it is. I believe its the 302 but I need to check my notes. Get off at Schmiedestrasse beside a seafood restaurant. You will have to check the return bus schedule to make sure you aren't stranded there or take a cab back to the station.
My favorite club in DUS is Blue Note but I don't recommend to just anyone as it is small, cramped, etc.. The selection is just to my taste though.
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I think I might try Blue Note. What are the prices (entrance, girls fees)? I speak very little German, but anyway conversations are not most important for me : )
[QUOTE=Jackyo]You should find my post which summarizes your options from DU
My favorite club in DUS is Blue Note but I don't recommend to just anyone as it is small, cramped, etc.. The selection is just to my taste though.[/QUOTE]
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Blue Note pricing
[QUOTE=Tomrifle]I think I might try Blue Note. What are the prices (entrance, girls fees)? I speak very little German, but anyway conversations are not most important for me : )[/QUOTE]
Entry is 55 Euros plus 5 Euros for the locker key deposit (you get it back when you return the key).
30 minute sessions are 30 Euros (yes, 30 Euros).
I suggest you book hour long sessions here.
I also recommend the erotic massages. Some women don't do full service but will gladly get into bed with you in the nude to do a massage to get the juices flowing. Ask first.
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In NRW...
... these are the clubs and women the locals have rated the highest:
[post]842614[/post]
Wonder no longer.
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Blue note
Once tried blue note , because it was on my way to a meeting.
Was quite surprised about the good facilitys, of course it depends on the night, etc which girls are available.
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Dortmund options
Hello, I'm going to Dortmund for Tuesday and Wednesday 24,25th March. I'm going to spend the whole Tuesday in a FKK. I didn't decide yet which one, but by the posts of other users, I chose initially FKK Club Freudenbergstr 39 in Bochum. I want to relax whole day, eat some food and f%ck some big breasted MILF and maybe one or two younger cuties. I hope that this FKK meet this criteria.
Other options are: Cocoon (does anybody know of a number and quality of girls?), [url]www.privatclub-neby.de[/url], FKK-Belami, Mausi und Team.
If someone feels that there is better option form me then let mi know.
On Wednesday I'm going to a Partytref. It will be probably Pauschalclub Airtport because of proximity to my departure place, but I'm worried a bit about it being overcrowded. Hoping that between 1PM and 4PM I will be able to meet at least 3 girls there.
Other options are: teeny-6haus in Wuppertal, Mettmann, Gangbangteenies in Datteln. It will be my first time in a PT so I don't know what to expect.
If anyone have some suggestion - I'm listening.
Cheers,
MS
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A morning spent reading RheinForum
Based on some recent comments, I took the plunge and spent a couple of hours scanning and reading threads on the RheinForum. I used to scan Roemer Forum back around 2005. I gave it up because of what I perceived as an overall negative tone. HB had called me as well as others on that comment, so I thought I would give the German forums a second look. This post is almost a review of a review board.
Some overall impressions:
Very Koeln-centric. Not surprising given that Koeln is the largest city in NRW. Koeln is listed first and largest category. The Koeln forums are split between street walkers/Laufhaeuser forum and escort, club, apartment ladies. There is also a Dusseldorf, borderlands and Ruhrgebiet forum and a catchall forum for the rest of NRW. I guess you could think of it as a southern crescent excluding Koeln and running from Aachen to Koblenz to Wuppertal.
Understand, this is not a board devoted to FKKs and Sauna clubs, but rather all P4P options. There is no organization of the threads among clubs, but each thread is helpfully labeled as Reports or Question. There are quite a lot of threads with questions like, “Where can I find a tiny Thai teenie in Dusseldorf who is up for anal?” All very interesting and helpful to the local mongers no doubt. It gives you a sense of the wealth of alternatives available in Germany. I came across one about an 18yo Korean girl who looked super sweet (link was included in the message), but lost my interest when I saw the price was 160E for an hour.
To get information on a specific club, you really need to use the search feature. There was no real way to get a sense of which clubs were most popular. Since I like F39, I typed Freude39 into the search and quite a lot of information came back. Clearly, Putri is/was considered a top act. Funny, only 2-3 mentions of Sofie, and one glowing report from almost a year ago. I can vouch that the local Germans have discovered her as she is quite in demand at F39. Leads me to believe most of their customers are not posters on RheinForum.
I also search GT and goldentime. Quite a lot of info came back. I found a few threads referring to GT (as well as PHG, VV and LR) as a “Topclubs”. I didn’t find any evidence that the locals regarded them as “Tourist traps”. I searched for “tourist(en)” as well as “reisende” and could not find any threads labeling the “Topclubs” as “for tourists only”.
The other thing that comes across is the Germans are quite pricing sensitive. I read an interesting thread on the impact of the global financial crisis on F39. The thesis was that the customers are disappearing and the women are leaving as well. One monger thought that the price was too high relative the local market and business could be revived by going with a 30E entrance all day and 40E per half hour pricing. It makes perfect sense that the locals are price sensitive. I am price sensitive on my home territory as A) the market prices are quite high on my home turf and B) if I want to do this fairly frequently and not end up in the poor house, it is necessary for me to negotiate a favorable rate. Not surprised the Germans are more price sensitive that you average western foreign monger who regards Germany as relatively cheap for P4P and regards trips to German for FKK visits as a luxury anyway.
I got a good laugh out of a pop-up ad marketing Cocoon in Wuppertal as a McFick club. Smart marketing, price sensitivity.
I also got the sense that geography was a major factor for which clubs mongers visit. Most of the questions were specific to a city or area. I didn’t get the sense that the monger asking about the Thai teenie who did anal in Dusseldorf was willing to travel to Koeln if a suitable young lady was available only in Koeln.
I had to laugh when I ran across a thread in the rest of Germany from some monger asking for bars he could go near the Frankfurt airport for a one hour session. To paraphrase the exchange:
RF User 1: What are my options near FRA for a one hour romp.
RF User 2: Just go to Palace, you’ll like it, its only 10km away.
RF User 1: What is the entrance fee?
RF User 2: 75E
RF User 1: Ouch. Where are the Laufhaeuser?
Did I detect any of the negative tone that I complained about in the past on German forums. No I didn’t. I probably looked at 50 or so threads and actually ran across some quite helpful information.
Will I read Rheinforum on a regular basis? Probably not. The thread organization (or lack thereof), is just too annoying to deal with. Will I run some searches prior to a trip to Germany to get info on the clubs I visit. Probably. Much more detailed information than this forum.
A report on Lustscout will follow.
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[QUOTE=Michael Stone]Hello, I'm going to Dortmund for Tuesday and Wednesday 24,25th March. I'm going to spend the whole Tuesday in a FKK. I didn't decide yet which one, but by the posts of other users, I chose initially FKK Club Freudenbergstr 39 in Bochum. I want to relax whole day, eat some food and f%ck some big breasted MILF and maybe one or two younger cuties. I hope that this FKK meet this criteria.
Other options are: Cocoon (does anybody know of a number and quality of girls?), [url]www.privatclub-neby.de[/url], FKK-Belami, Mausi und Team.
If anyone have some suggestion - I'm listening.
Cheers,
MS[/QUOTE]
If you want to relax all day and also eat some food then Freude is the best place to go. The other clubs you mention are clubs where wellnes and Food are not at the level of Freude. Belami is a typical Turkenladen but you will not be disappointed in the line-up there. Mausi is the opposite, there colored people are refused, but the service there in general is OK. Cocoon was OK in the past but that is history.
Those clubs are OK if you plan a short visit of 2-3 hours. Freude is more expensive (no 30€/20m option), prices as in Gt and Happy.
After 21 hr. Freude is relatively empty.
Regards,
Big30
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German forums
Interesting coincidence, I actually spent part of this morning doing the same although in not such a detail.
I used to read the Roemerforum and then I gave up on it since it was so disorganized. Still loved the "who is where" feature and would check it out from time to time. Now when I checked it out, I see that the organization of it is much better than before with club categorization etc. so I might start checking on it again.
I never got much out of the Rheinforum becuase as EL points out, there is so much info on non-FKK activities it was kind of hard to find what I needed except by searching so a casual reading the threads there was never on my schedule.
Lustscout has always had a neat organization and good info.
I like the organization of the Dutch Ijsberenforum the best of all the boards with the threads being categorized by the girls with the trip reports as a sticky on top of each club. Also like the rule most follow there to give a brief categorized description of the girl to start with for other to be able to identify her. Only problem for me is that my Dutch reading comprehension is probably no more than 40% so I get tired quickly reading it since I have to reread some of the stuff couple of times to get the content.
What one must also realize in terms of number of reports of each club is that both GT and PHG are located at the Dutch border. Lets say we categorize a local by a 50 km radius and you will see that a person living in Eindhoven is as much of a local visiting GT as someone living in Frankfurt visiting World. That is one of the reasons you may not have as many reports on GT on a German forum since half of its 50 km radius area is actually in Netherlands. Look at the Dutch forums and you will see that GT, PHG probably have the most reports there of any FKK/Sauna club.
Does that make GT or PHG a "tourist" club. Well, it depends on definition. If you call everyone a tourist that crosses a border, then I guess you can call it that. I think that most of the Dutch visitors in GT and PHG would not agree to such a definition.
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[QUOTE=Henio]
Lustscout has always had a neat organization and good info.
I like the organization of the Dutch Ijsberenforum the best of all the boards with the threads being categorized by the girls with the trip reports as a sticky on top of each club. Also like the rule most follow there to give a brief categorized description of the girl to start with for other to be able to identify her.
Does that make GT or PHG a "tourist" club. Well, it depends on definition. If you call everyone a tourist that crosses a border, then I guess you can call it that. I think that most of the Dutch visitors in GT and PHG would not agree to such a definition.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the compliment! Indeed Eindhoven is not far from VV, GT and Happy. About 80 km actually :-)!
The definition of a tourist is for me not that relevant.
Regards,
Big30
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[QUOTE=Big30]Thanks for the compliment! Indeed Eindhoven is not far from VV, GT and Happy. About 80 km actually :-)!
[/QUOTE] By road you are right. I was defining it as the crow flies ;-)
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[QUOTE=Jackyo]... these are the clubs and women the locals have rated the highest: [post]842614[/post] Wonder no longer.[/QUOTE]
Well, the snarky side of me tempted to point out no one had recently posted asking that question. But I won’t.
As I was reading RheinForum for other reasons, I looked for the thread in question. Anyway, the thread in question on RheinForum was not “What is the best club?” or “Who is the best lady?” It was the vote for Blowjob Queen of 2008. A worthy title to aspire to, but remember it is still a vote for the ladies and for a very specific sex act.
As each voter chose three ladies (weighted scale tabulation), many voters voted for three ladies from the same club. As previously noted, RheinForum is rather Koeln-centric, not surprisingly the results are rather Koeln-centric. When I looked over the results, I am surprised at how few people voted. The Blowjob Queen of NRW received a grand total of eight votes. To get 4th place required exactly three votes, a feat accomplished by four ladies including Celine, the Koeln streetwalker. I’m sure Celine is a fine lady, but is a Koeln street walker really the fourth best option in all of NRW?
In addition to the built-in bias towards Koeln area clubs, I also noticed that of the women I know on the list, the common thread is that they have been in the game longer. Putri from F39 is a great example. Great girl and was one of the best BJ at F39, but she’s been around for a few years. She tied with Svenja of Bernds at number 22 with both girls getting exactly 2 votes. Not exactly landslide proportions. Having been with both ladies more than once, I can state Putri’s BJ is much better (not that there is anything wrong with Svenja’s). The ladies I know on the list have almost all been around for years. As such, the poll has a bias towards more “experienced” ladies. As such, clubs employing more “experienced” ladies such as Blue Note or Bernds are going to place higher on any combined rankings.
If you want to know which club the locals prefer, a more objective rating would be which clubs have the most local guests. Simply based on size and number of guests and even if you assume only half of the guests are local, Goldentime clearly has more local visitors than Bernds. In the end, consumers vote with their feet. Does this matter for which club an individual monger should choose. Not really, as in the end it is a matter of taste.
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[QUOTE=Henio]Interesting coincidence, I actually spent part of this morning doing the same although in not such a detail.[/QUOTE]
It's good to question one's assumptions once in a while. RheinForum will definitely have a place in my arsenal for pre-trip research.
[QUOTE=Henio]I used to read the Roemerforum and then I gave up on it since it was so disorganized. Still loved the "who is where" feature and would check it out from time to time. Now when I checked it out, I see that the organization of it is much better than before with club categorization etc. so I might start checking on it again.[/QUOTE]
I'll probably give it a second look as well. What turned me off in the past was the overly negative tone.
[QUOTE=Henio]I never got much out of the Rheinforum becuase as EL points out, there is so much info on non-FKK activities it was kind of hard to find what I needed except by searching so a casual reading the threads there was never on my schedule.[/QUOTE]
I don't think it can be read. Only searched.
[QUOTE=Henio]Lustscout has always had a neat organization and good info.[/QUOTE]
That was my impression as well. I did notice that posts in the NRW clubs were few and far between. While there was info on the Hessen clubs, not as much as I would have expected. That said, I identified some good targets for my next Palace visit. And yes, the threads I read were positive on the place.
[QUOTE=Henio]I like the organization of the Dutch Ijsberenforum the best of all the boards with the threads being categorized by the girls with the trip reports as a sticky on top of each club. Also like the rule most follow there to give a brief categorized description of the girl to start with for other to be able to identify her. Only problem for me is that my Dutch reading comprehension is probably no more than 40% so I get tired quickly reading it since I have to reread some of the stuff couple of times to get the content. [/QUOTE]
+1. I don't read Dutch, I guess Dutch based on my German and English. I love the organization and find great info on it. I noticed Maria, the dark Cuban girl at F39 who is only a tad below Czech Linda in BJ skills is back. For the chance to get serviced by her, F39 will be on my dance card when I visit Germany in the next couple of weeks. The ijsberen have my thanks for that tidbit.
[QUOTE=Henio]What one must also realize in terms of number of reports of each club is that both GT and PHG are located at the Dutch border. Lets say we categorize a local by a 50 km radius and you will see that a person living in Eindhoven is as much of a local visiting GT as someone living in Frankfurt visiting World. That is one of the reasons you may not have as many reports on GT on a German forum since half of its 50 km radius area is actually in Netherlands. Look at the Dutch forums and you will see that GT, PHG probably have the most reports there of any FKK/Sauna club.
Does that make GT or PHG a "tourist" club. Well, it depends on definition. If you call everyone a tourist that crosses a border, then I guess you can call it that. I think that most of the Dutch visitors in GT and PHG would not agree to such a definition.[/QUOTE]
Based on the languages I hear other guests speaking, my impression was the club guests are ~50% German, ~30% Dutch (could be Flemish), ~10% French (could be Belgian) and the rest mostly Brits and Americans. That said, even if only half of the club guests are German, that is still a lot of local visitors. The "tourist" comment in this forum is generally used to disparage the clubs and those who like them. All part of the endless big club vs. little club discussion on this forum. My vote is it is all a matter of taste, go where you like.
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You all honor me by reading my posts
I am taking the high road on this despite the snarky remarks by certain individuals who keep saying I don't know what I am talking about but also simultaneously can't avoid commenting on my posts.
I've suggested once they use the ignore function but apparently I have so much to say, they continue to read my stuff. Apparently, they are also concerned about what I think about them.
If they would all just calm down, we can get back to the business of commenting on the club scene.
Does anyone want to create a summary of the arguments we have made? Has anyone noticed we just keep repeating ourselves? This will save on time in the future.
Instead of trading barbs, I'd simply say: "read post number ___". And then they'd reply, "read post number ___." Time is money.
In the words of Dieter of "Sprockets", "I find your arguments tiresome. Now is the time on Sprockets when we dance." [funky music in the background]
Here is the definitive Hessen survey on the RF. It was launched on the 31st of July, 2008 and entitled [b]"Top of the Clubs??? Hessen".[/b]
The ten five clubs in Hessen are:
World - 48 votes
Oase - 43 votes
Atlantik (Hanau) - 21 votes
Palace - 15 votes
Bahama Club - 5
143 dudes participated in this survey, BTW.
So yes, Palace is visited by the local population. It is, however, out visited three to one by World and Oase visitors.
World is the best club there is facility-wise anywhere in Germany. Oase is the best in this area selection-wise.
And where are those Atlantik reports on the ISG?
As to why I deserve to have my own personal [b][i]Bete noire[/i][/b] on this forum is beyond me. I consider it an honor. Each of you should aspire to acquire your own. Its like having a pet.
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[QUOTE=Jackyo]
Here is the definitive Hessen survey on the RF. It was launched on the 31st of July, 2008 and entitled [b]"Top of the Clubs??? Hessen".[/b]
The ten five clubs in Hessen are:
World - 48 votes
Oase - 43 votes
Atlantik (Hanau) - 21 votes
Palace - 15 votes
Bahama Club - 5
143 dudes participated in this survey, BTW.
So yes, Palace is visited by the local population. It is, however, out visited three to one by World and Oase visitors.
World is the best club there is facility-wise anywhere in Germany. Oase is the best in this area selection-wise.
And where are those Atlantik reports on the ISG?
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First, Jackyo: Don't let these guys get you down! Just do your thing and keep posting your stuff. It is great: well-informed, well-written and well-intentioned. Some guys are just jealous of your posting numbers, obviously...
About the Hessen survey you quoted:
It doesn't surpise me that Palace rates well down the list for a survey taken in July! Come on, now: We all know Palace is not a summer club because of lack of outdoors. So no wonder that the clubs with primo outdoor areas, like World and Oase, are up there...As for Atlantik: That is enigmatic at best.
Ortos
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I actually think the recent discussion on the topic is quite civilized and even EL is not his usual self and only had one tiny snarky comment in his latest couple of posts. Other than that it was quite informative. I also think that this being the General Thread, it is at least better than crowd the "club" threads.
<rambling mode on>
Anyways, on the subject of the best facilities, World has great facilities when it comes to the common area. There are however only a handful of decent rooms in the place. The downstairs rooms are pretty crappy although a slight improvement has been made when they at least put some doors on the downstair rooms. Personally I would say that Villa Vertigo has the best overall facilities of the clubs.
Worst facilities I have seen? I visited LaLuna two weeks ago. Showers absolute shit, locker room makes Oase's changing room look like a 5 star hotel. the club is in a windowless basement, everything inside seems to be older than the girls, and some of them aint exactly spring chickens, no food and you pay for the drinks. I loved the club though (and it is not for some of the special services they offer). Not sure why, but it may be because I spent a fantastic hour with 18 year old Romanian girl (Bianca) that had been there for one week. What's my point? I am not sure, perhaps just that it is hard to generalize.
I also tend to make a day of it when I visit a club so it is important that the facilities are decent, places to hang out and chat with friends etc., but sometimes I am doing a quick visit and in those cases my club preferences may be totally different. Again, hard to generalize since different preferences based on different circumstances.
I urge Jackyo as well as everyone else to keep posting. I also think that it is good to get multiple points of view on things and I dont see it as a bad thing to challenge some of the information given.
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[QUOTE=Henio]I actually think the recent discussion on the topic is quite civilized and even EL is not his usual self and only had one tiny snarky comment in his latest couple of posts. Other than that it was quite informative. I also think that this being the General Thread, it is at least better than crowd the "club" threads...
Worst facilities I have seen? I visited LaLuna two weeks ago. Showers absolute shit, locker room makes Oase's changing room look like a 5 star hotel. the club is in a windowless basement, everything inside seems to be older than the girls, and some of them aint exactly spring chickens, no food and you pay for the drinks. I loved the club though (and it is not for some of the special services they offer). Not sure why, but it may be because I spent a fantastic hour with 18 year old Romanian girl (Bianca) that had been there for one week. What's my point? I am not sure, perhaps just that it is hard to generalize...
I urge Jackyo as well as everyone else to keep posting. I also think that it is good to get multiple points of view on things and I dont see it as a bad thing to challenge some of the information given.[/QUOTE]
I agree with everything you say.
About LaLuna, which is located near Duisburg, I think: What were your overall impressions of the line-up there? Was it lacking other than one or two outstanding choices? or was it on par with some of the other clubs in the area, like e.g. LR?
Ortos
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[QUOTE=Ortos]Some guys are just jealous of your posting numbers, obviously...
About the Hessen survey you quoted:
It doesn't surpise me that Palace rates well down the list for a survey taken in July! Come on, now: We all know Palace is not a summer club because of lack of outdoors. So no wonder that the clubs with primo outdoor areas, like World and Oase, are up there...As for Atlantik: That is enigmatic at best.[/QUOTE]
Hmmm, maybe next time I run across a super sweet Chinese blowjob queen at an out of the way, underreported FKK, I may have to keep it to myself. <grin> Kiwi69 and the Ijsberen deserve their fair share of credit on the Sofie find anyway.
Seriously, posting is about quality, not quantity. Repetition does not add value to this forum.
Agree with you on the survey being skewed. It is another strawman argument anyway as I never stated that Palace was more popular than World or Oase (with the locals, with senior mongers or otherwise). Don't really care. What I responded to was the statement that experienced mongers and German mongers do not go to the Hessen big 3 as they are "tourist traps". I think those statements have been thoroughly debunked by now.
As for which of the clubs are most popular with the Germans, I think that is best determined by gate receipts. From my visits over the last year, I would estimate the ranking of number of German customers at 1) Oase, 2) Palace, 3) World. In the summer, numbers 2 and 3 are likely reversed. Admittedly, I have only visited World once in the last year so my personal data is thin.
But does it really matter which club is most popular with one group of mongers or another? In the end it is a matter of personal taste. I weigh my preferences heavily based on which club has women I like. Taste in women is highly personal, and no two mongers will agree. For me, facilities and price are secondary considerations.
I will occasionally try a new club based on a tidbit of information posted on a forum or based on a conversation with a monger. Hence the trip to Niloticus. What I won't do is scurry around Germany trying new clubs simply for the sake of trying them. I have no intention of trying out Atlantik until I hear something about the club that peaks my interest. The fact that it got third place in a poll on a German board is not enough to make me forgo a day at Oase, Palace or World.
I do encourage newbees (and oldbees) to try different types of club. I've visited plenty of clubs beyond the top clubs based on information posted on this forum. Some I like, some I don't. Some members will prefer the top clubs, others won't. There is no right and wrong here.
At the root of my disagreement with Jackyo is that I don't think one type of club is superior to another type of club as it is a matter of personal taste. Also, we part ways on whether it is possible to give others valid advice on a club without recent first hand experience.
In closing, I will point out that the post you replied to was little more than a personal attack coupled with a strawman argument. I disagreed with a premise of one of his posts and stated my reasons why. Rather than respond to my points, he chose to launch into a personal attack.
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[QUOTE=Henio]
Anyways, on the subject of the best facilities, World has great facilities when it comes to the common area. There are however only a handful of decent rooms in the place. The downstairs rooms are pretty crappy although a slight improvement has been made when they at least put some doors on the downstair rooms. Personally I would say that Villa Vertigo has the best overall facilities of the clubs.
Worst facilities I have seen? I visited LaLuna two weeks ago. Showers absolute shit, locker room makes Oase's changing room look like a 5 star hotel. the club is in a windowless basement, everything inside seems to be older than the girls, and some of them aint exactly spring chickens, no food and you pay for the drinks. I loved the club though (and it is not for some of the special services they offer). Not sure why, but it may be because I spent a fantastic hour with 18 year old Romanian girl (Bianca) that had been there for one week. What's my point? I am not sure, perhaps just that it is hard to generalize.
I also tend to make a day of it when I visit a club so it is important that the facilities are decent, places to hang out and chat with friends etc., but sometimes I am doing a quick visit and in those cases my club preferences may be totally different. Again, hard to generalize since different preferences based on different circumstances.
I urge Jackyo as well as everyone else to keep posting. I also think that it is good to get multiple points of view on things and I dont see it as a bad thing to challenge some of the information given.[/QUOTE]
Hey Henio,
Owning up to a few things, are we my friend ;-)))
I might have to come out and actually review the joint if this keeps up.
For the record, Laluna's facilities are not nearly as grungy as that FKK on the Marinenstrasse in Stuttgart. Phoenix is what they call it now, I think. THAT place was disgusting.
Surprised to hear you dis the facilities at Laluna. I'm pretty sure that I was the only one of us to stick to anything on those couches, and I'm not talking about any of the ladies.
Can't say I didn't warn you ahead of time ;-)))
Cheers,
Dedalus, who enjoys a little grunge now and then
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Another forum...
[b]Freierforum/Freiermagazin[/b] is another forum that contains a fair bit of useful information...
[url]http://www.freiermagazin.de/bb/[/url]
And Jackyo...
[QUOTE=Jackyo]
As to why I deserve to have my own personal [b][i]Bete noire[/i][/b] on this forum is beyond me. I consider it an honor. Each of you should aspire to acquire your own. Its like having a pet.
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...some of your better ones seem to go right over the heads around here :-))
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Ebay for Sexual Services
I do not regularly visit this Germany thread but felt that others here might find this link interesting...
[url]http://www.gesext.de/[/url]
At the moment, some 18 year old gal is auctioning off her virginity, with the current bid at about 5000 Euros.
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[QUOTE=Yankee 617]I do not regularly visit this Germany thread but felt that others here might find this link interesting...
[url]http://www.gesext.de/[/url]
At the moment, some 18 year old gal is auctioning off her virginity, with the current bid at about 5000 Euros.[/QUOTE]
I find it difficult to believe there are any eighteen year old virgins in Germany. Seriously, I watched her video and she has a Russian accent towards the end. Listen to the way she pronounces "Jungfräulichkeit".
I suspect this is a scam.
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[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]I find it difficult to believe there are any eighteen year old virgins in Germany. Seriously, I watched her video and she has a Russian accent towards the end. Listen to the way she pronounces "Jungfräulichkeit".
I suspect this is a scam.[/QUOTE]
Clearly she is no German girl, you hear that already after one word. It is the 18 years old Alina Percea from .... Romania. "Auktion wurde angehalten"! Which means it is on hold now. There are doubts about her Virginity! Spass!!
See also,
[url]http://www.zimbio.com/Alina+Percea/articles/1/Alina+Percea+Romanian+teen+auctions+virginity[/url]
Or use google to find out more :-).
Regards,
Big30
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First of all: Lustscout is weak in the NRW area, Rheinforum is much stronger. But for Hessen there's quite good information on Lustscout, and I still prefer the structure there (separate forum for each club and separate thread for each report).
[QUOTE=Jackyo]So yes, Palace is visited by the local population. It is, however, out visited three to one by World and Oase visitors.[/QUOTE]
Palace does have as much or more visitors as Oase and/or World.
[QUOTE=Jackyo][b]World is the best club there is facility-wise anywhere in Germany.[/b] Oase is the best in this area selection-wise. [/QUOTE]
That's you opinion. This is mine:
World is a big club and does have a great outdoor facility. But clubs like Palace, Paradise or VV are at least two levels above world regarding the indoor facilities. World is not as clean, you get towels instead of sheets to cover the bed, the matresses are old, beds are squeaking and old, rooms are open (you hear every word/sound from you neighbour) and very basic, food is plenty but quality and variety is poor. Bar and sauna, lockers and showers are old. I do still visit World, but because of the software and not the hardware, especially in winter. Just my 2 cents.
HB
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[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]That's you opinion. This is mine:
World is a big club and does have a great outdoor facility. But clubs like Palace, Paradise or VV are at least two levels above world regarding the indoor facilities. World is not as clean, you get towels instead of sheets to cover the bed, the matresses are old, beds are squeaking and old, rooms are open (you hear every word/sound from you neighbour) and very basic, food is plenty but quality and variety is poor. Bar and sauna, lockers and showers are old. I do still visit World, but because of the software and not the hardware, especially in winter. Just my 2 cents.
HB[/QUOTE]
Hey HB,
If Jackyo had said something along the lines of "best facilities of the Hessen Big-Three" then I would share his opinion. Paradise and Artemis slam-dunk any of the other German clubs that I have seen as far as facilities, although that lack of an outdoor area IS a big minus point. Villa Vertigo certainly has nice facilities, but for some reason the place feels a little cramped to me. Best food service of the Golden Triangle group though.
For my two cent, World does have overall the better facilities of the big, Hessen clubs, and I must say that I have never noticed it being any less clean than Palace, and several rungs cleaner than Oase. In fact, on my last Palace visit, the showers and changing room had an odor that was uncomfortably reminiscent of Oase's. The locker room at World has never struck me as anything but clean and it is usually fresher than the one at Palace.
Saunas and Dampfbad are perfectly fine at World. Not sure that Palace has a big advantage over World or Oase on this point. Palace does have a roomier and probably cleaner whirlpool.
I WOULD have to give Palace the nod for having better rooms than World, and food service at Palace HAS topped all the others in Hessen. Personally I'm not bothered that one can hear the goings on of your neighbor in the rooms at World. All part of the atmosphere in my opinion. However you are 100% correct about the mattress quality. Especially the one in the "Asia Room".
Palace lost some comfort points with me when the area with the large swinging sofa got replaced with the smoking section. Not only was that a nice place to relax, I remember some grand foreplay on that thing with Cindy and a few others back in the day ;-))
Nowadays, I have a more difficult time relaxing in between sessions at Palace than I do at Oase. The Relax area at World is a huge Pluspunkt for me.
For me, both Palace and World play the music too loud in the main area, and World seems to have gone overboard on my last few visits. The music in the main area has often been ear-splitting loud.
I can't really say that the bars at Palace are any better or younger than the ones at World. Actually the upstairs bar at World is the most recently built of them all I think. I can say that the bar personnel at World gets me my drink more quickly and with nicer and friendly smiles than the personnel at Palace.
The "software" at World has unfortunately been pretty disappointing to me of late. Hoping that this improves in April. At the moment, I share Jackyo's opinion about the software at Oase being the best of the Big-3. However my opinion changes, as do the girls ;-)))
Cheers,
Dedalus
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[QUOTE=Gergiev][b]Freierforum/Freiermagazin[/b] is another forum that contains a fair bit of useful information...
[url]http://www.freiermagazin.de/bb/[/url]
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Good site! Especially for some of the smaller, off the beaten path places. I've always appreciated the photos and the "Anwesenheitslisten" that club managers who participate in this site provide.
Cheers,
Dedalus
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FKK Forums
Are there any other Fkk forums in English?
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[QUOTE=Num Nutz]Are there any other Fkk forums in English?[/QUOTE] They would be classified as a competing forum to this one and Jackson does not like it too much if they are mentioned.
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[QUOTE=Dedalus]and I must say that I have never noticed it being any less clean than Palace, [/QUOTE]
Rooms at Palace are not only nicer, but also much cleaner. Floor, beds, everything. Beds at World are bad, I'm always afraid to break one. ;-)
[QUOTE=Dedalus]Actually the upstairs bar at World is the most recently built of them all I think. [/QUOTE]
Maybe built, but remodelled it should have been the small bar at Palace.
I still think Palace inside is a class above World, World interior seems cheaply built. And Palace is not behind Paradise.
HB
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[QUOTE=Num Nutz]Are there any other Fkk forums in English?[/QUOTE]
espn.com. Plenty of great info!
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[QUOTE=Vito Corleone]espn.com. Plenty of great info![/QUOTE]
And people think I'm snarky.
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[QUOTE=Vito Corleone]espn.com. Plenty of great info![/QUOTE]
If only mongering were a sport! Plenty of us could make a great living.
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Best facilities?
[QUOTE=Dedalus]Hey HB,
If Jackyo had said something along the lines of "best facilities of the Hessen Big-Three" then I would share his opinion. Paradise and Artemis slam-dunk any of the other German clubs that I have seen as far as facilities, although that lack of an outdoor area IS a big minus point. Villa Vertigo certainly has nice facilities, but for some reason the place feels a little cramped to me. [/QUOTE]
World's facility is nice, and the downstairs relax area is a big plus and sorely lacking in most of the other clubs. I don't have a problem with lack of privacy in the rooms downstairs, but what irks me is that since the new bar was installed, the sight lines in the upstairs lounge are very poor, and it's hard to find a good spot to observe and gather info. IMO, I would agree that overall it has the best facility of the Hessen 3.
I haven't been to Paradise so I can't comment, but FKK Harem has to be near the top of any list of clubs with great facilities. Beautiful spacious indoor area, lots of nice rooms upstairs, nice sauna and jacuzzi area, a real fitness room, dining area with menus that you can order from, and a beautiful outdoor swimming pool area with easy access from the main lounge area. Only problem is that it's in Bad Lippspringe, and not near anything else so it's seldom visited or reported on, and has staffing problems.
Both Artemis and Palace are lacking an outdoor area but make up for it with nice spa areas. Oase has issues with is food delivery situation, lack of a place to relax, and the absence of a men's toilet upstairs. Villa Vertigo's indoor and outdoor facility are top notch, but I agree with Dedalus and find the dressing room and shower area area very cramped. It's also hard to pass between the 2 main contact areas without going outside or walking through a the cramped corridor and pass the entrance desk. GT's facility is also nicely done except for cold winter nights when the main room can get very crowded. And it's really missing a pool in that big garden.
My top 10 ranking for physical facility alone:
[b]1[/b] Harem
[b]2[/b] Villa Vertigo
[b]3[/b] World
[b]4[/b] Artemis
[b]5[/b] Palace
[b]6[/b] GT
[b]7[/b] Finca
[b]8[/b] Oase
[b]9[/b] Living Room
[b]10[/b] Samya
SW- IMO, Bernd's and Oase are the most consistent, so despite their physical limitations, they're the clubs that I repeatedly visit, which begs the question; In the end, all things considered, how important really, are the physical facilities and food service?
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[QUOTE=Iseeu]World's facility is nice, and the downstairs relax area is a big plus and sorely lacking in most of the other clubs. I don't have a problem with lack of privacy in the rooms downstairs, but what irks me is that since the new bar was installed, the sight lines in the upstairs lounge are very poor, and it's hard to find a good spot to observe and gather info. IMO, I would agree that overall it has the best facility of the Hessen 3.
GT's facility is also nicely done except for cold winter nights when the main room can get very crowded. And it's really missing a pool in that big garden.
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I find World's locker location allows for better viewing of the girls/guys reaction/time in room that at Oase with their lockers hiding near the bar, away from those in the main room.
And World's new setup just seems so 'unplanned' as if they did the entire remodel on one bar napkin. It would have made sense to use all the same furniture (the black leather couch's) that would have held up better over time. That one wicker couch will soon break apart and send 3 naked girls spilling (or that one huge one who danced on the stripper pole friday night and caused a panic). World has the space for so much more intesting seating setup's...get rid of those 'buildings' and those walls in the egypt section that cut off your viewing...and build up a section or two (like a couch grandstand) that will allow easier viewing.
As to GT...building that walkway to add one cabin? Why not stretch that walkway and make a small deck right as you walk outside (like the one to the left) and have a tent there in the winter that would make more usable space? But from what I understand, GT is limited in what it can do outside due to its location near a wildlife preserve, hence the lack of a pool...maybe they can put in a waterslide though ;-) Only answer is to make the best use of the available space inside...gut the sauna/whirlpool area and rip down the glass walls seperating it from the main room. A larger sauna could be built where the current tent is and a cold water feature that would drain into the mens locker room area.
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[QUOTE=Iseeu]
My top 10 ranking for physical facility alone:
[b]1[/b] Harem
[b]2[/b] Villa Vertigo
[b]3[/b] World
[b]4[/b] Artemis
[b]5[/b] Palace
[b]6[/b] GT
[b]7[/b] Finca
[b]8[/b] Oase
[b]9[/b] Living Room
[b]10[/b] Samya
SW- IMO, Bernd's and Oase are the most consistent, so despite their physical limitations, they're the clubs that I repeatedly visit, which begs the question; In the end, all things considered, how important really, are the physical facilities and food service?[/QUOTE]
Wow? You ranked Oase ahead of LR?
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[QUOTE=Vito Corleone]Wow? You ranked Oase ahead of LR?[/QUOTE]
When ranking is based upon physical qualities clearly Oase should be ranked ahead of LR! Oase has great outdoor facilities as a Pool, 2 outdoor Sauna's, big Kino etc. Never saw that in LR although I like LR very much!
Villa Vertigo indeed has great Wellnes area, I was there like so many times last Thursday and I must admit this time I was also impressed very much by the line-up of the girls!!!
We all know that in Oase the food is bad, the rooms and restrooms are not very clean. The only reason to go to Burgholzhausen is the line-up of the girls!
In NRW i do not like the fact that in GT, most of the times, I have to wait very long for a key, besides some of my colored friends are not wellcome in GT. LR is not bad although many times overcrowded. PHG is still going strong, for me the place where my FKK-Sauna addiction started!
Anyway, for me the place in NRW I prefer to visit above all, is Villa Vertigo!
Kind Regards,
Big30
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Oase's Outdoor
[QUOTE=Vito Corleone]Wow? You ranked Oase ahead of LR?[/QUOTE]
...area easily trumps LR's; Nice garden area, swimming pool, outdoor food service in summer times and the cabana chairs, tents, and "tree house" which are available for outside fun. LR has a small outside area, which is on a busy street and is visible from neighboring buildings. And the Oase kino is, well the Oase kino and viirtually unmatched for live action.
BTW, there's a recent post on the Other FKK thread about Acapulco in Velbert. I haven't been, but from the pics on their website ([url]http://www.fkkacapulco.de/[/url]) and the description in the report, it may deserve a spot on this list. And according to their website, they're opening 30 new "suites" this weekend.
It's on my "To Do" list.
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[QUOTE=Big30]When ranking is based upon physical qualities clearly Oase should be ranked ahead of LR! Oase has great outdoor facilities as a Pool, 2 outdoor Sauna's, big Kino etc. Never saw that in LR although I like LR very much!
Villa Vertigo indeed has great Wellnes area, I was there like so many times last Thursday and I must admit this time I was also impressed very much by the line-up of the girls!!!
We all know that in Oase the food is bad, the rooms and restrooms are not very clean. The only reason to go to Burgholzhausen is the line-up of the girls!
In NRW i do not like the fact that in GT, most of the times, I have to wait very long for a key, besides some of my colored friends are not wellcome in GT. LR is not bad although many times overcrowded. PHG is still going strong, for me the place where my FKK-Sauna addiction started!
Anyway, for me the place in NRW I prefer to visit above all, is Villa Vertigo!
Kind Regards,
Big30[/QUOTE]
I agree Oase's new outdoor pool, sauna & kino are great, but the rooms & locker area are just plain nasty. In my opinion, Oase does not even deserve to make any list except worst facilities.
I still like the club because of their lineups. I have a long list of ATF's.
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[QUOTE=Big30]
In NRW i do not like the fact that in GT, most of the times, I have to wait very long for a key
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Waiting is actually a good thing as long as your waiting with the girl for a room to open (such as world and oase) and the 'first come, first to get the next available room' rule is in order. Have gotten some really, really good attention at these clubs while waiting on the couch at world and on the stool in the tv area at oase. The interaction before hitting the room really gets the juices flowing.
Had to wait several times at GT...with the girl either waiting in the lobby for the key (to prevent line jumpers)...or having the girl keep checking. Ruins the chemisty aka anticipation considerably. And if you picked the girl as a second or third choice runner up...and have to wait alone for her to return...and your favorite walks by and is free....your tempted to do a switch.
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[QUOTE=Vito Corleone]I agree Oase's new outdoor pool, sauna & kino are great, but the rooms & locker area are just plain nasty. In my opinion, Oase does not even deserve to make any list except worst facilities.
I still like the club because of their lineups. I have a long list of ATF's.[/QUOTE]
I fully agree with you. The rooms are not very clean, call that an understatement. The locker area has a terrible smell, it stinks. And the food has been discussed many times. The decoration is camp. Compare it with Palace, World or Villa Vertigo.
And you know what? Oase is still the club I prefer above all!
Regards,
Big30
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[QUOTE=Iseeu]
BTW, there's a recent post on the Other FKK thread about Acapulco in Velbert. I haven't been, but from the pics on their website ([url]http://www.fkkacapulco.de/[/url]) and the description in the report, it may deserve a spot on this list. And according to their website, they're opening 30 new "suites" this weekend.
It's on my "To Do" list.[/QUOTE]
There is a party April 4 in Acapulco: Live DJ, dans show, etc. Yes they now have in total 30 rooms. Rooms are very nice and well decorated.
The indoor facilities are really excellent, "better" in my opinion than GT, PHG or LR.
Unfortunately almost no outdoor facilities. Just a small garden with some chairs.
The line-up at some days need some improvement although on Saturdays you will find at least 50 CDL in Acapulco.
Last months the guests seem to find the way to Acapulco. I can understand why :-)!
Regards,
Big30
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Cdl???
[QUOTE=Big30]The line-up at some days need some improvement although on Saturdays you will find at least 50 [b]CDL[/b] in Acapulco.
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What is a "CDL"? [b]C[/b]ross [b]D[/b]resser [b]L[/b]ook, [b]C[/b]overed [b]D[/b]oggy [b]L[/b]ady, ????
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[QUOTE=Iseeu]What is a "CDL"? [b]C[/b]ross [b]D[/b]resser [b]L[/b]ook, [b]C[/b]overed [b]D[/b]oggy [b]L[/b]ady, ????[/QUOTE]
Forgot, CDL is a german abbrevation, CDL = ClubDienstLeisterin (a girl that provides a service in a club)
Big30
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[QUOTE=Iseeu]What is a "CDL"? [b]C[/b]ross [b]D[/b]resser [b]L[/b]ook, [b]C[/b]overed [b]D[/b]oggy [b]L[/b]ady, ????[/QUOTE]
CDL is a German abbreviation for club service provider or worker I understand. Sorry sometimes I write that as well on the forums. Hope this helps.
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Germany vs. other destinations (mainly Rio and Bangkok)
** This is part of a multi-report series on my 10-day trip to Germany / FKK's. **
The main report is here: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=866231&postcount=3810[/url]
Its implied by the title of this report, but let me say it explicitly. Germany is definitely a legitimate mongering destination, which came as somewhat of a surprise to me, because it doesn't get mentioned in other forums as much as Bangkok or Rio and maybe some others do. Following are a few differences between Germany and other destinations, that will give you a flavor for what the FKK experience is like.
1. FKK's have an exhibitionish / voyeuristic component to them, which I have not found at any other places. I get a big kick out of it, but not a game changer for me.
2. In Germany you are in the western world. This is (obviously) good and bad. On the good side, if one is from the western world, one feels at-home in terms security and infrastructure. On the bad side, travel related expenses are higher. Interestingly, FKK's themselves are actually as, or even less, expensive than the Rio termas.
3. FKK mongering experience is a little "isolated" experience. FKK's (at least the good ones) tend to be out of (but close to) the metro areas, so you're in sleepy small-town Germany with nothing to do. If you spend a few days there (like I did), your life will mainly involve going to the FKK and back to the hotel. This is very different from Rio or Bangkok, where there is plenty happening outside the institutions of pleasure, both mongering-wise as well as culturally. One alternative in Germany is to stay in the metros and commute to the FKK's. I didn't choose this option, because I preferred visiting few times during the day, as opposed to spending a chunk of 5-6 hours at a time. Besides, I personally enjoy spending some quiet time once in a while.
4. On the other hand, its europe. If you can plan a longer trip, you can alternate between a few days mongering, a few days "off" to go sightseeing. One good thing about Germany is its proximity to a lot of tourist venues / countries.
5. Experienced mongers, correct me if I'm wrong, but non-FKK (and non-PT) mongering in Germany is nowhere close in quality and quantity to what you can get in Rio and Bangkok.
6. Almost all of my sessions were decent experiences. Service ratings, which is what I most care about, were in the 6-8 range. But there was only one "amazing" experience. Typically, this number would be higher for me in Rio (or probably south america, in general). Those brazilieras really get into it. On the flip side, the frequency of bad experiences would also be typically higher in Rio.
7. Face, body ratings and cup sizes, on the other hand, were an average 1-2 points higher at the FKK's compared to Termas. There are definitely more prettier girls at the FKK's than I have seen anywhere else.
8. On the positive side of services available, BBBJ is virtually standard at FKK's. CIM is also on the menu, almost always, although its extra. In Rio and BKK, you can get these at no extra charge, but only if you get lucky.
9. Anal costs a lot more, but almost always available. In Rio and BKK, you can get this at no extra charge, but only if you get lucky.
10. It wasn't possible since I visited in winter, but one thing you can only do at an FKK (to the best of my knowledge), is do it outdoors under the stars. I have got to visit Germany in summer just for that.
11. Rooms in FKK's are typically bigger than Termas.
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Germany visit in December - general / logistical info
This is the first part of a multi-report series on my 10-day trip to Germany / FKK's. In this report, I have tried to give a general overview of my trip with the view towards helping a newbee. I visited in December; sorry, it took me a while to compile all the reports.
Some preliminaries about me / my approach to mongering, to the extent it will help you put my reports into perspective. I live in sex prison USA and take a few mongering trips a year. Since the airfare and hotel typically set me back anywhere between $1500 - $2000, before I actually spend a penny on the hobby, I do not skimp (but don't overpay either) when it comes to paying for the hobby; i.e. I am not looking to visit any budget places. I typically stay at clean, midrange hotels, not luxury hotels.
This being my first long-enough (~10 days) visit to Germany, I wanted to sample a large enough variety of venues and I rented a car. GPS is an amazing miracle of technology. It worked flawlessly when I input addresses from the FAQ. Highly recommended for first time mongers to Germany. I don't have the experience to substantiate this, but I think it would be beneficial to go in the off-peak tourist season, as everything from rental cars to hotels to girls at FKK's would be less difficult / cheaper to get. I know a little bit of german, which was certainly helpful, but I think one would do fine in English both at the FKK's and outside. I found the prices in the FAQ to be all accurate. The only venue I partook (is that a word?) the hobby in Germany was the FKK's; i.e., I did not visit pertytreffs or red light areas.
If the primary purpose of your trip is mongering, its cost efficient to do one FKK a day, since the entrance fee gives you unlimited admission during the day.
I visited in December. Most girls I talked to said they leave for christmas ~Dec. 15-20, so I'd think things would be quiet from then until the new year.
Currency: I found the best way of obtaining currency to be ATM's. Travelers Checks and Cash was too cumbersome and, I think, expensive to change into euros. ATM's charge a flat fee (plus a % foreign exchange fee), so its economical to minimize the visits to the ATM and withdraw the maximum amount you can each time you visit.
Another useful resource I found is an international mongering map / database, which shows all the FKK's in Germany: [url]http://www.isaw-db.com/map_de.html[/url]
Overall, I found Germany to be a solid mongering destination. FKK's have abundant supply of mostly caucasian girls with great (7-9) looks and good (6-8) service. On an ongoing basis, I'd probably make either short (few days) trips to one FKK location or really long trips combining mongering and sightseeing.
Other reports in this series are:
Germany vs. other destinations (mainly Rio and Bangkok):
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=866228&postcount=3809[/url]
FKK Palace
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=866226&postcount=4059[/url]
FKK Oase
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=866221&postcount=3784[/url]
FKK Bernd
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=866211&postcount=1175[/url]
FKK Samya
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=866206&postcount=334[/url]
FKK GoldenTime
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=866205&postcount=905[/url]
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Jayf1970 reports
Jayf1970, great reports. A nice perspective from someone new to the German scenery but experienced in other battlefields. I am putting them at the ROD. Your comparison between the german clubs and the Termas in Rio is great. Agree on 95 % of it. A few things I think different:
[QUOTE=Jayf1970]** This is part of a multi-report series on my 10-day trip to Germany / FKK's. **
6. Almost all of my sessions were decent experiences. Service ratings, which is what I most care about, were in the 6-8 range. But there was only one "amazing" experience. Typically, this number would be higher for me in Rio (or probably south america, in general). Those brazilieras really get into it. On the flip side, the frequency of bad experiences would also be typically higher in Rio.
From my experience at the Termas it is very difficult to have a real bad experience or attempt of rip-off. In my opinion for two reasons:the fact that time inside the room is controlled by the club and no charging for extras, either they do it (anal, CIM) or not, but if they they do it is included in the price. Both certainly help to avoid issues with the payment.
7. Face, body ratings and cup sizes, on the other hand, were an average 1-2 points higher at the FKK's compared to Termas. There are definitely more prettier girls at the FKK's than I have seen anywhere else.
Regarding faces, yes, german clubs win. As for bodies, I disagree, think Termas win hands down.
8. On the positive side of services available, BBBJ is virtually standard at FKK's. CIM is also on the menu, almost always, although its extra. In Rio and BKK, you can get these at no extra charge, but only if you get lucky.
Not only being lucky but also asking ahead, most girls will do anal. CIM on the other hand is not so common. Never got a covered blow job at the Termas, and in Germany got a few only at Partytreffs, so it is pretty much standard service at FKKS and Sauna clubs as well as at the Termas.
9. Anal costs a lot more, but almost always available. In Rio and BKK, you can get this at no extra charge, but only if you get lucky.
Same thing as commented before.
Thanks for all the info you provided. Keep it coming.
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interesting drive to the hotel
With the messe coming into town, i set up a reservation in bad nauheim at a reasonably priced pension hotel. I was visiting Oase the day before...so figured id drive up to World and on the way stop by to check out the location of the hotel. GPS took me 'pretty close' to the hotel...unfortunately it kept trying to get me to take the 'last right' on a road that no longer existed...or tried to send me down a pedestrian only zone. Could not for the life of me figure out how to get around these 2 detours. One way streets kept me going 'right turn only' several times in a row...and none would allow me to glimpse the hotel.
Ended up hitting the emergency "get me the fuck out of this area" gps button, which took me to world and as luck would have it, a cheaper hotel in the long run. As to Bad Nauheim...seemed like a nice city, especially the streets that I got to see 6 times in 10 minutes....over and over again. I did manage to call the hotel and cancel my room for the following day. Wonder how many end up doing this on the drive 'around the block'
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The Go To Guy
[QUOTE=Breadman]... GPS took me 'pretty close' to the hotel...unfortunately it kept trying to get me to take the 'last right' on a road that no longer existed...or tried to send me down a pedestrian only zone. Could not for the life of me figure out how to get around these 2 detours. One way streets kept me going 'right turn only' several times in a row...and none would allow me to glimpse the hotel.
Ended up hitting the emergency "get me the fuck out of this area" gps button, which took me to world and as luck would have it, a cheaper hotel in the long run. As to Bad Nauheim...seemed like a nice city, especially the streets that I got to see 6 times in 10 minutes....over and over again.[/QUOTE]
So this experience would make you the 'Go To' guy for info on Bad Nauheim and our Techie to repair faulty GPS systems?
Glad to hear that you got a better price on your hotel in the end. Probably makes up for the extra gas you burned getting there.
Good Luck with your future adventures. Myr. ;)
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Moral of the story
[QUOTE=Breadman]With the messe coming into town, i set up a reservation in bad nauheim at a reasonably priced pension hotel. I was visiting Oase the day before...so figured id drive up to World and on the way stop by to check out the location of the hotel. GPS took me 'pretty close' to the hotel...unfortunately it kept trying to get me to take the 'last right' on a road that no longer existed...or tried to send me down a pedestrian only zone. Could not for the life of me figure out how to get around these 2 detours. One way streets kept me going 'right turn only' several times in a row...and none would allow me to glimpse the hotel.
Ended up hitting the emergency "get me the fuck out of this area" gps button, which took me to world and as luck would have it, a cheaper hotel in the long run. As to Bad Nauheim...seemed like a nice city, especially the streets that I got to see 6 times in 10 minutes....over and over again. I did manage to call the hotel and cancel my room for the following day. Wonder how many end up doing this on the drive 'around the block'[/QUOTE]
I have worked with GPS technology and know most of the main companies in the business. The biggest service challenge that this industry faces is that on a global basis, there are thousands of changes occurring [b]every day [/b]to the map info which makes it virtually impossible for the mapping companies to maintain a truly current data file. Even if their data is truly current,they also are unable to update the data file on a product that's been in the field for awhile. There are some technology changes being implemented now to change this situation, but that will take years if ever to fully repair this glitch in their service.
It is imperative to always study a map, before starting a trip in which GPS will be your main navigation tool. With Google Maps and other tools it's so easy nowadays to get door to door maps and instructions.
Ever since a tragic accident of a colleague of mine, my company always rents cars with navigation devices. Nevertheless, unless I have already previously made that specific journey, I always print out driving instructions and a detailed map of the destination. I may not use them, but if during the trip I get an instruction from that sexy robotic GPS voice that doesn't sync with the general route that I plotted out beforehand, I ignore it and then let the device replot the trip.
Of course in your case, you ended up saving some bucks, so no harm done, but you went through some moments of angst and frustration which can be unsettling. There are lots of horror stories on the web, and even web sites with photos of cars whose drivers, blindly followed the directions of the navi device. As always, led astray by a woman. I don't remember the link but it's great stuff if you find that website!
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Romanian Girls
After reading the FKK Forum for awhile I have to chuckle and of course be a little sad at the form of monger Racism towards Rom girls in the clubs. Like all racism it is just plain silly. Instead of complaining about the abundance of Rom girls we should be thankful because who among the experienced members can say they have not had a good/great time with one of these providers?
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[QUOTE=Chukar]After reading the FKK Forum for awhile I have to chuckle and of course be a little sad at the form of monger Racism towards Rom girls in the clubs. Like all racism it is just plain silly. Instead of complaining about the abundance of Rom girls we should be thankful because who among the experienced members can say they have not had a good/great time with one of these providers?[/QUOTE]
Chuckle away. Seriously, who we fuck is a matter of personal preference. I had a situation recently where a girl did not want to go with me. Do I care, not one whit, plenty of fish in the sea.
I've had particularly good luck with Thai, Chinese, Middle Eastern, Cuban, Brazilian and Russian women. As such, I tend to have a bias in favor women from these countries. Many women at FKKs have two programs, their A game for when they think you might be a repeat customer and the short program for guys they think that the will never see again. The short program is characterized by the "I want you off of me in 15 minutes" attitude. You know you are in for the short program if you tell the girl you want her to do the BJ slow and sensual and in response she does her best hummingbird imitation.
I've had some great session with Romanian and Bulgarian women, but my short program to A game ratio is running at about 2 to 1 with Romanian and Bulgarian women. The Romanian women seem to be aware of their reputation as a number of them pretend to be from Italy or Spain. It may be something about me that fails to generate chemistry with women from the Black sea region as I once met a monger at Cola who was so enamored with Romanian women that he was working on learning Romanian to get on better with them. To each his own.
I've also had some very nice sessions with Romanian women. Each woman is different. It was interesting, a few months ago when I was chatting with Romanian Sandra at GT as she was trying to entice me into a Kino BJ, that while she acknowledged she was born in Romania, she went to great pains to tell me she had been in Germany since a child and as such was almost a real German. I've had quite good sessions with some Romanian women, it's just the bad sessions have outnumbered the good. As such, I'm playing the percentages when I have a bias against Romanian and Bulgarian women.
As Romania and Bulgaria are two of the poorest countries in the EU, I expect to see more Romanian an Bulgarian women in the clubs when the transitional labor movement rules for Romanian and Bulgarian nationals expire in a few years. By that time, my tastes and opinions may have changed by then, so I may welcome the coming influx.
Some of my mongering mates do not go with Asian or African women. I do not accuse them of racism because of this as preferences for who we fuck are highly personal. Nor do I blame a woman for not wanting to fuck men of certain nationalities. In the end it is about individual choice. I don't think anyone should have to justify who they will or will not fuck against accusations of racism.
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A different approach to FKKs?
since discovering LMP in London I have hardly bothered with FKKs these past few months. But i do fancy a return visit to one soon - but taking a different tack. Very much looking to do a wellness day (lots of time in the sauna, steam rooms, pool etc even time on the lawn if the weather turns nice) - with the option of 'extras' included. From my reading of this forum the best two options for this would seem to be Yin Yang and Villa Vertigo - both within reasonable travelling distance of my home. Any other FKKs that might offer the same experience?
Thanks in advance.
Ripple
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[QUOTE=Ripple67] Very much looking to do a wellness day (lots of time in the sauna, steam rooms, pool etc even time on the lawn if the weather turns nice) - with the option of 'extras' included. From my reading of this forum the best two options for this would seem to be Yin Yang and Villa Vertigo - both within reasonable travelling distance of my home. Any other FKKs that might offer the same experience?
Thanks in advance.
Ripple[/QUOTE]
These are certainly two good options when wellness has a high priority. "Best option" depends also a little on personal preference. Remember both YY and VV have no steam rooms. Both have a nice garden with swimming pool.
When Wellness has high priority then also Acapulco in Velbert should be mentioned: indoor swimming pool, great sauna and steam room but limitid outdoor facilities.
But you can also have a great day in the other 3 well known clubs in NRW: PHG, GT and LR. PHG has outdoor swimming pool but no whirhlpool and kino. LR and GT both have.
If wellness would have high priority for me then on a sunny day I would go to VV (garden + swimming pool) and on a less sunny day I would visit Acapulco (great indoor wellness facilities).
Note: all these clubs mentioned are Sauna clubs (most girls with bikini or lingerie, in GT/LR/VV/ACC small fraction "oben-ohne") and not FKK's (girls naked) as you will find moren in Hessen.
Regards,
Big30
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[QUOTE=Ripple67]since discovering [B]LMP[/B] in London I have hardly bothered with FKKs these past few months.
Ripple[/QUOTE]
LMP? I'm not familiar with this designation. Would you be referring to the London Mozart Players [url]www.lmp.org[/url] or the Lady Marmalade Parties [url]www.ladymarmaladeparties.com[/url] ? ;) :)
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Lmp=
[QUOTE=Myrmidon]LMP? I'm not familiar with this designation. Would you be referring to the London Mozart Players [url]www.lmp.org[/url] or the Lady Marmalade Parties [url]www.ladymarmaladeparties.com[/url] ? ;) :)[/QUOTE]
Lady Marmalade Parties or best gentleman's party in London. Has its own dedicated thread in the UK section.
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Introduction
I am going to report a tour I made recently in NRW. It was a 6 days tour (+1 for the flight back), which is a lot. Due to flight availability I had the choice of staying for 2 days or 6, but 2 days was too a short time, so..
Therefore, having such a long time available, the tour strategy was one of “low intensity battles”, with the purpose of saving available energies to use them at best.
I tried to make a choice in favor of quality rather than quantity, which, to a certain extent I succeeded in attaining.
I realized that my inclination to fuck every hole available is almost null, thus I abandoned the residual idea to sample some other PT/PC clubs and decided that the SaunaClub/FKK formula is my cup of tea, so I stuck to this.
I visited 2 times LR and PHG, 1 time GT and YY, so I got a reasonable idea of the current panorama offered by the clubs of this region, and thus can express some general considerations as follows.
1) The average level of the girls seemed to me lower, compared to my previous visits, and I noticed that this tendency is constant. Thus I am asking where did all the good girls go? Did they move to other luxury clubs where they can make more money? (And in case, which are these ones and is there enough market for them?) Did they move to clubs of other regions? To private apartments? Back to their countries? What?
It looks like the flood from EE has weakened a lot. Fewer girls from the Slavish block (Russia, Latvia, Ukraine, etc.), while the scene is dominated, at least quantitatively, by the Rumanian girls. Also the local German girls are fewer, good ones in particular.
2) Therefore blonde girls are now pretty rare (and in high demand, though), brunettes are an overwhelming majority.
3) While in my first visits I could count a dog as a rarity, now in almost every club I found quite a few girls I wouldn’t have fucked even if they would have paid me! Ugly faces, fat cellulite bodies, enormous bellies… girls/women I may expect to find at a PT, but not in a FKK! Even more crazy is that they make their business! I mean: there are guys who pay FKK rates for them!
4) Nevertheless it’s still possible to find good looking and good serving girls, but it requires some effort and some luck as well.
Next: [URL="http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=868396&postcount=166"]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=868396&postcount=166[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Travelerb69]
7. Face, body ratings and cup sizes, on the other hand, were an average 1-2 points higher at the FKK's compared to Termas. There are definitely more prettier girls at the FKK's than I have seen anywhere else.
Regarding faces, yes, german clubs win. As for bodies, I disagree, think Termas win hands down.
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I know what you mean, but for my taste (full figured women), I saw more number of jaw-dropping beauties at FKK's... Also, notice that I specifically mentioned cup sizes. One aspect of female anatomy that Brazilieras win hands down is the derriere, but they are definitely light on the mammaries pretty uniformly.
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Duralong's Report: A Must Read
[QUOTE=Duralong]I am going to report a tour I made recently in NRW. It was a 6 days tour (+1 for the flight back), which is a lot.
Next: [URL="http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=868396&postcount=166"]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=868396&postcount=166[/URL][/QUOTE]
Excellent report Duralong. I have PM'd you further comments and have added your introduction to R. O. D.
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[QUOTE=Myrmidon]Excellent report Duralong. I have PM'd you further comments and have added your introduction to R. O. D.[/QUOTE]
Thank you for your compliments and appreciation Myrmidon.
I hope not to have frightened you too much.
Perception and acceptation of risk is individual, but we all should be aware of how things are, to decide properly according to our inclination.
Usually reports, in this like in other forums, tend to be positively biased, simple because reporting on good experiences is fun, while reporting on bad ones is more a duty. So people (we) tend to report more the good than the bad. I did this myself last October, after my below average trip, I was unable to complete a full report on it.
But if I write a report I always try to show the complete picture.
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[QUOTE=Duralong]
I hope not to have frightened you too much.
Perception and acceptation of risk is individual, but we all should be aware of how things are, to decide properly according to our inclination.
Usually reports, in this like in other forums, tend to be positively biased, simple because reporting on good experiences is fun, while reporting on bad ones is more a duty...
But if I write a report I always try to show the complete picture.[/QUOTE]
You did indeed frighten me, but in a good way. There are risks present that we all know and must accept; but we usually tend to ignore them, much like not reporting the bad means that it does not happen. Right?
It is better to know the risks and how to deal with them. That is why I returned to my 'home board' and researched STD's / STI's and their relationship to DATY, DFK & BBBJ's. (Bearing in mind that the FKK environment is unique, with unique challenges and problems for both ladies and men) I also included a brief look at rinsing with Mouthwash, etc. Thank you for the 'reminder' / 'wake-up call'. I recall one pooner who used to sign off: Remember, Hi Gene is more than just a greeting!
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economic situation and the clubs
Its been mentioned before that the girls are seeing less business, guys are going to the room less than before. And we know alot of clubs have opened 'sister' clubs when the economy was booming...so operating costs have gone up for some clubs. And some brand new clubs like Ville Vertigo have opened with less business than they hoped for...
So have to wonder, will be seeing the closing or selling of some clubs in the near future?
I also want to add that I talked to a guy at one of the clubs who was getting the numbers of the girls who were interested in working for him at an incall location. Wonder how many more guys are trying to recruit? Have to think though, if guys are being tight with their money...how many will fork out 200 euro's to see an escort?
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Final thoughts on Easter fuck fest
Now that I’m back at home, I made a little spreadsheet on the past weeks adventures to see if there were any statistical lessons. I captured the following information:
Club
Girl's Name
Girl’s Nationality
Appearance: 3 = Hot, 2=I like seeing you naked, 1=If we’re having sex, I’m keeping my eyes closed
Service: 4=Very good, 3=Good, 2=Fair, 1=Poor
Estimated Age: I estimate Lin from GT at 40. Where the girl told me her age, I used what she told me
Appearance is very subjective. I know I rated a few girls as hot that few other mongers would. Thai girls, if they are not ugly are pretty much always hot in my book. I rated Patrizia at Acapulco as hot. I doubt many other mongers would. Whether any of this is useful to you would depend on whether your tastes are remotely similar to mine.
If I did a session with more than one girl, each girl gets a separate entry. If I sessioned more than once with a girl, each session got a separate entry.
Total number of girl/sessions: 29
Average age: 29
Appearance
Hot: 11, 38%
I like seeing you naked: 16, 55%
I’m keeping my eyes closed: 2, 7%
Service
Very good: 16, 55%
Good: 8, 28%
Fair: 2, 7%
Poor: 3, 10%
I looked at the results by club. I visited six clubs. One club, F39, I had only one session and rated he girl as Hot and the session as Very Good. I’m excluding F39 from the analysis. Of the other five clubs, for service the averages were:
Acapulco: 3.5 (half way between good and very good)
Oase: 3.33
GT: 3.25
Palace: 3 (good)
World: 3 (good)
On the looks department, I think Acapulco is skewed high as I did 2 sessions each with Patrizia and Lily, both of whom I rated as hot. GT is skewed low as I was definitely selecting MILFy during my GT run. The average rankings:
Acapulco: 2.5 (halfway between hot and I like seeing you naked)
Palace: 2.4
World: 2.33
Oase: 2.17
GT: 2.13
Remember, neither of these are rating the overall club lineups, but rather the girls I sessioned with.
As far as nationality I had sessions with girls from 16 different nationalities. Hey, I like variety. Breaking down by broad categories/race:
Asian: 6
Latina: 5
European: 17
Middle Eastern: 1
Three different nationalities, Russian, Thai and Bulgarian (!) each accounted for 4 girl/sessions. Every other nationality was 2 or 1 girl/sessions. Of the three nationalities with 4 girl/session:
Appearance:
Thai: 3 (Hot, hey, did I mention I really like Thai girls)
Bulgarian: 2.25
Russian: 2
Service:
Russia: 4 (Very good)
Thai: 3.75
Bulgarian: 3 (Good)
As always, YMMV.
If anyone wants a copy of the spreadsheet, PM me an email address.
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[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]Now that I’m back at home, [B]I made a little spreadsheet on the past weeks adventures to see if there were any statistical lessons[/B]. [/QUOTE]
No disrespect intended, but I think your taking this just a little too seriously. I thought it was just about having fun?
On the other hand, good on you:
[Quote=Ekliges Lauren]Total number of girl/sessions: 29
Average age: 29
Appearance
Hot: 11, 38%
I like seeing you naked: 16, 55%
I’m keeping my eyes closed: 2, 7%
Service
Very good: 16, 55%
Good: 8, 28%
Fair: 2, 7%
Poor: 3, 10%[/QUOTE]
Just wondering, Did you use a clip board or tape recorder to keep track of your information? Did any of the girls object to being surveyed? Maybe you could sell the results back to the clubs for their improvement, where necessary.
Seriously though, I'm just jealous of your numbers and ability to keep them all straight. It could make the coming weeks seem a little quiet though. ;)
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[QUOTE=Myrmidon]No disrespect intended, but I think your taking this just a little too seriously. I thought it was just about having fun?[/QUOTE]
Actually it was fun to take a look back. Someone mentioned that reading reviews was a bit of a voyeuristic pleasure. I captured all of the girls names in my reviews so it was just an opportunity to go back and think about each girl and each session.
Don't worry, I don't plan on making a habit of the spreadsheet analysis.
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My feeling...
...is that whatever works for, works for you. I am more the type who likes to write "stream of consciousness" narrative in my reviews (when I have the time & energy) and would very, very rarely rate a girl with a numerical value. But I know that others have a different way, and that way includes putting a number on the experience/girl. In a way this is probably more valuable in terms of being able to translate the experience to others. But my enjoyment comes in trying to describe the experience in a way that entertains as well as informs.
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[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]Actually it was fun to take a look back. Someone mentioned that reading reviews was a bit of a voyeuristic pleasure. I captured all of the girls names in my reviews so it was just an opportunity to go back and think about each girl and each session.
Don't worry, I don't plan on making a habit of the spreadsheet analysis.[/QUOTE]
Funnily enough, it was I who used that phrase: [post]869755[/post]
I thank [B]all[/B] posters, no matter what method they use, it is what this board is for and is helpful to someone / all of us. Thank you. ;)
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[QUOTE=Angus Magee]...is that whatever works for, works for you. I am more the type who likes to write "stream of consciousness" narrative in my reviews (when I have the time & energy) and would very, very rarely rate a girl with a numerical value. But I know that others have a different way, and that way includes putting a number on the experience/girl. In a way this is probably more valuable in terms of being able to translate the experience to others. But my enjoyment comes in trying to describe the experience in a way that entertains as well as informs.[/QUOTE]
I quite like your reviews for the narrative quality. As it turns out, I'm not often in Berlin so I haven't had a chance to check out Artemis. When I do, I'll probably bone up on your reviews in preparation.
I really don't think of women's appearance or the quality of the session numerically. For appearance, I think in terms of three categories, I like her appearance, I really, really like her appearance and I don't like her appearance. My tastes are pretty broad, so of the clubs I visit, only about 20% fall into the "I don't like her appearance" category. Percentage is probably higher at F39, about 40%. Within these categories, I don't tend to think of women comparatively, as in this woman is better looking than that woman.
As far as service or quality of session, I think in terms of very good, good, mixed and bad. Difference between between very good and good is whether when I recall the session and ask myself if I would repeat solely based on the service from that session and I answer yes without hesitation, that is very good. Mixed are relatively rare for me to have both good and bad feelings. I usually fall one way or the other.
I layed a numerical scale over these categories to see if there was any patterns I didn't perceive. Not really. I already knew:
1) I like Russian girls for service and Thai girls for their appearance.
2) All of the clubs I visited did it for me from a service point of view, but some were better than the others.
3) As far as appearance, the ranking by clubs was sort of meaningless as it reflected the girls I chose on any give day. I think as the week wore on, the girl's appearance became less important in my selection criteria. I'm not sure if it is because after a week of being surrounded by naked and scantily clad women, it's just less important. All of the clubs did for my on the overall visuals of the lineup, although less so for F39.
What I also knew, but didn't really sink until.
1) Opinions of women's appearance is a highly individual matter and my tastes are not that common. As I was contemplating which girls I put in the very attractive category, about half of them in that category I am probably alone in my opinion.
Probably won't do that level of analysis again, if was kind of fun to go back and really think about each girl and each session. But not a whole lot learned from the exercise.
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Let the good times roll …
Had a great time in Germany last weekend. Booked a organized club tour to Duesseldorf near Cologne / Dortmund. Arrived at Duesseldorf airport on Friday afternoon. Pick up service and hotel shuttle very convenient. Later starting from my hotel , there were three other guys with me on tour. We visited one club on Friday night, two clubs on Saturday and the last club on Sunday. On Friday I took 2 girls, being so randy and quality was excellent. One Russian and one Polish chick. Then took it easy the next two days. There was a nice selection of pussy in every club and I always found one that matched my taste. Did not remember clubs or girls as I had some beers too but the clubs where all in about 1 hours distance around Duesseldorf. One club was called Paradiso or so. It´s been my first time in those fkk clubs, did not know what to expect but I felt well taken care of and the guide did a great job. Saw him jumping some chicks too. All I can say is : recommended ! Booked the tour through: [url]http://www.premium-spa-club-tour.net[/url] . Will try to do a weekday trip next time. Sorry, no photos yet. Have fun …
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[QUOTE=Dolphin12]Had a great time in Germany last weekend. Booked a organized club tour to Duesseldorf near Cologne / Dortmund. Arrived at Duesseldorf airport on Friday afternoon. Pick up service and hotel shuttle very convenient. Later starting from my hotel , there were three other guys with me on tour. We visited one club on Friday night, two clubs on Saturday and the last club on Sunday. On Friday I took 2 girls, being so randy and quality was excellent. One Russian and one Polish chick. Then took it easy the next two days. There was a nice selection of pussy in every club and I always found one that matched my taste. Did not remember clubs or girls as I had some beers too but the clubs where all in about 1 hours distance around Duesseldorf. One club was called Paradiso or so. It´s been my first time in those fkk clubs, did not know what to expect but I felt well taken care of and the guide did a great job. Saw him jumping some chicks too. All I can say is : recommended ! Booked the tour through: [url]http://www.premium-spa-club-tour.net[/url] . Will try to do a weekday trip next time. Sorry, no photos yet. Have fun …[/QUOTE]
No offense, but you've been had. 800 Euro for being ferried around for 3 days and 2 nights hotel room? Any monger wannabees wanting a personal 3 day tour, I'm happy to do it for 500 Euro.
Seriously, if you are an English speaker and and can't figure out how to get a hotel and get to the golden triangle or the Hessen big 3 on your own, not sure you deserve the delights that await you.
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[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]No offense, but you've been had. 800 Euro for being ferried around for 3 days and 2 nights hotel room? Any monger wannabees wanting a personal 3 day tour, I'm happy to do it for 500 Euro.
Seriously, if you are an English speaker and and can't figure out how to get a hotel and get to the golden triangle or the Hessen big 3 on your own, not sure you deserve the delights that await you.[/QUOTE]
Had a bit of the same reaction. 800 Euros is a lot of sessions.
And I could not help but wonder if this was a not so subtle bit of self promotion.
After reading I googled "FKK Tours" and found that there are many, many people offering this type of service.
Man O Man. But I guess this is capitalism and there must be a call for this as unbelievable as it is.
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Well spend !
[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]No offense, but you've been had. 800 Euro for being ferried around for 3 days and 2 nights hotel room? Any monger wannabees wanting a personal 3 day tour, I'm happy to do it for 500 Euro.
Seriously, if you are an English speaker and and can't figure out how to get a hotel and get to the golden triangle or the Hessen big 3 on your own, not sure you deserve the delights that await you.[/QUOTE]
Well, I got the transport to all those places without worries. Got hotel rooms for two nights. Food and drinks and all the information. Entrance fees alone , which I figured out would have cost me 50.- Euros each place. Could relax and concentrate on the mongering. I think that the additional bit has been well spend. Enjoyed it . Cheers mate.
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[QUOTE=Dolphin12]Well, I got the transport to all those places without worries. Got hotel rooms for two nights. Food and drinks and all the information. Entrance fees alone , which I figured out would have cost me 50.- Euros each place. Could relax and concentrate on the mongering. I think that the additional bit has been well spend. Enjoyed it . Cheers mate.[/QUOTE]Let’s break down on the normal cost for the services received:
One can find a 4 star hotel in Dusseldorf area around 80€ per night for a double room. Even on the high end should not be more than 100€. So 2 nights would be 200€.
Entrance to 4 clubs, that could be 50 X 4 = 200€
As for transportation, renting a car plus gas for that time period should not cost more than 150€. Let's say 200€ on the high side.
The total cost for doing that yourself would be around 600€.
So basically, it costs around 200€ to have someone make all the arrangements and to drive you around. If that’s worth it to you, so be it. I never would have done it. Then again, I am a cheap bastard and don’t need any hand holding.
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To cheap to fuck ?
[QUOTE=Angus Magee]Had a bit of the same reaction. 800 Euros is a lot of sessions.And I could not help but wonder if this was a not so subtle bit of self promotion.After reading I googled "FKK Tours" and found that there are many, many people offering this type of service.Man O Man. But I guess this is capitalism and there must be a call for this as unbelievable as it is.[/QUOTE]
Why shouldn’t I share a good experience ? I don’t get this. Some people just want it cheaper and cheaper and are only satisfied when life comes cheap. Overpaying is no good but bargaining as a life concept sucks ass man !
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Monger With the Legends: A VIP FKK Tour
sonders angebot: come join a small group of sex-seeking degenerates on a multi-day, multiple-orgasim action packed journey through the hottest sex clubs the planet can boast. that's right: bring us your tired, your hungry and rich horny masses and our elite team of experienced fkk masters will make sure you get an unforgettable experience. monger with real fkk legends.
for 800 euros here's what you get:
learn how to stalk, solicit, select and lurk in the fkk kinos from the legendary nauseating lurker himself, ekliges lauern. he'll show you how to select the girls with the top bbbjcim skills! interested? read on:
simply deposit an additional 300 euros into basketcase's private pay-for-play bank account and you can also become a basketcase for a day! you can meet basketcase, the famous monger athlete, and he will personally take you on the s-bahn from frankfurt hbf and show you where to get off. but wait, there's more: he will also lead you on the secret footpath from s-bahn station friedricksdorf all the way to fkk oase, where, after you've paid his entrance fee, booked him a massage and paid for his obiligatory 3 sessions with cim extras, he will personally discuss with you the pluses and minuses of that day's line-up! interested? read on:
for an additional 300 euros, you can be met at berlin's zoological station by the one and only angus magee who will show you how to get on the complex berlin s-bahn system all the way to westend, where he will personally lead you to artemis or any of a host of brothels rep001tered around the capital city.
this one-time offer will expire soon...so hurry up and book right away!
note: all major credit cards accepted.
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[quote=ortos]sonders angebot: come join a small group of sex-seeking degenerates on a multi-day, multiple-orgasim action packed journey through the hottest sex clubs the planet can boast. that's right: bring us your tired, your hungry and rich horny masses and our elite team of experienced fkk masters will make sure you get an unforgettable experience. monger with real fkk legends.
for 800 euros here's what you get:
learn how to stalk, solicit, select and lurk in the fkk kinos from the legendary nauseating lurker himself, ekliges lauern. he'll show you how to select the girls with the top bbbjcim skills! interested? read on:
simply deposit an additional 300 euros into basketcase's private pay-for-play bank account and you can also become a basketcase for a day! you can meet basketcase, the famous monger athlete, and he will personally take you on the s-bahn from frankfurt hbf and show you where to get off. but wait, there's more: he will also lead you on the secret footpath from s-bahn station friedricksdorf all the way to fkk oase, where, after you've paid his entrance fee, booked him a massage and paid for his obiligatory 3 sessions with cim extras, he will personally discuss with you the pluses and minuses of that day's line-up! interested? read on:
for an additional 300 euros, you can be met at berlin's zoological station by the one and only angus magee who will show you how to get on the complex berlin s-bahn system all the way to westend, where he will personally lead you to artemis or any of a host of brothels rep001tered around the capital city.
this one-time offer will expire soon...so hurry up and book right away!
note: all major credit cards accepted.[/quote]
and, your trip will include 5 star hotel accommodations at stalag, oops i meant camp, heide gasto.
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[QUOTE=Dolphin12]Why shouldn’t I share a good experience ? I don’t get this. Some people just want it cheaper and cheaper and are only satisfied when life comes cheap. Overpaying is no good but bargaining as a life concept sucks ass man ![/QUOTE]
Hey, maybe we are being a bit hostile to your post. But this is the internet and posts like yours, double posted word for word in a couple of different threads just come across as a bit spam-y and are not so useful to those of us who make an effort to write reports that are useful and contain info about the clubs & the girls.
May I suggest that you make a bit of effort yourself and write a reasonably detailed report or two about the clubs you visited and the girls with whom you had sessions.
At the end of those reports, I am sure, if you wanted to ad that you did not feel to make the arrangements yourself and so used such & such a service with great satisfaction, I am pretty sure that you would have a different reaction.
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[quote=ortos]
for an additional 300 euros, you can be met at berlin's zoological station by the one and only angus magee who will show you how to get on the complex berlin s-bahn system all the way to westend, where he will personally lead you to artemis or any of a host of brothels rep001tered around the capital city.
this one-time offer will expire soon...so hurry up and book right away!
note: all major credit cards accepted.[/quote]
lol-and for a short time only, and only for an additional 200€, i will personally introduce you to the artemis bj russian legend, ella. you will be amazed and dare i say stupefied by her skills. hurry, hurry!
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Agreed
[QUOTE=Angus Magee]Hey, maybe we are being a bit hostile to your post. But this is the internet and posts like yours, double posted word for word in a couple of different threads just come across as a bit spam-y and are not so useful to those of us who make an effort to write reports that are useful and contain info about the clubs & the girls.
May I suggest that you make a bit of effort yourself and write a reasonably detailed report or two about the clubs you visited and the girls with whom you had sessions.
At the end of those reports, I am sure, if you wanted to ad that you did not feel to make the arrangements yourself and so used such & such a service with great satisfaction, I am pretty sure that you would have a different reaction.[/QUOTE]
No problems, agreed. I´ll do this when I´m back in Germany after my next trip. Ok ? I´m heading for Thailand now.
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[QUOTE=Dolphin12]No problems, agreed. I´ll do this when I´m back in Germany after my next trip. Ok ? I´m heading for Thailand now.[/QUOTE]
Great. Have fun in the LOS
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[QUOTE=Angus Magee]LOL-and for a short time only, and only for an additional 200€, I will personally introduce you to the Artemis bj Russian legend, Ella. You will be amazed and dare I say stupefied by her skills. Hurry, hurry![/QUOTE]
Hmm, 200E seems fair if she is as good as you say.
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[QUOTE=Angus Magee]LOL-and for a short time only, and only for an additional 200€, I will personally introduce you to the Artemis bj Russian legend, Ella. You will be amazed and dare I say stupefied by her skills. Hurry, hurry![/QUOTE]Dolphin12: Beware of rogues like Angus. This is the biggest scam of the lot. I know Ella all too well. She don't need an Angus to introduce her to a newbie trailing after a tour guide. She'll sniff him out herself - guaranteed. Trouble is - the tour guide and Angus'll be in there with her before you.
Glad you had a good time. As you say, everyone makes their decisions on prices. Now you can do it all by yourself, and report in detail. As we do.
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Question
Any idea where to buy Vodka while in germany? Do they sell it at the supermarkets?
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[QUOTE=Breadman]Any idea where to buy Vodka while in germany? Do they sell it at the supermarkets?[/QUOTE]
Vodka in Germany? Heretic! In Germany you drink beer, except near the French border, where you drink bad wine! If you want something stronger, try Jägermeister or Asbach.
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[QUOTE=Breadman]Any idea where to buy Vodka while in germany? Do they sell it at the supermarkets?[/QUOTE]
This is a serious question?? Almost every street corner I would say, including tankstations. Not a problem.
Big30
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[QUOTE=Breadman]Any idea where to buy Vodka while in germany? Do they sell it at the supermarkets?[/QUOTE]
just about anywhere they sell booze. Supermarkets-yes.
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[QUOTE=Big30]This is a serious question?? Almost every street corner I would say, including tankstations. Not a problem.
Big30[/QUOTE]
yes, serious question...not really for me but for a friend. Im a beer drinker mainly myself. But they sell bottles at gas stations?
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Vodka as German gas stations
[QUOTE=Breadman]yes, serious question...not really for me but for a friend. Im a beer drinker mainly myself. But they sell bottles at gas stations?[/QUOTE]
They often sell a brand named "Universalverdünnung".
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[QUOTE=Breadman]yes, serious question...not really for me but for a friend. Im a beer drinker mainly myself. But they sell bottles at gas stations?[/QUOTE]
Yes in Germany no problem. At most gas stations they sell beer and liquor. When I am well informed only gas stations along the auto bahn between 24-06 hr do not sell alcohol in Hessen (in NRW it is allowed) but correct me if I am wrong.
I remember few months ago we drove back from Oase and I wanted to buy beer (I was not driving!), at night at the Autobahn gas stations in Hessen that was not possible.
I refuse to pay 10 euro for a 33cl bottle of beer in BHH :-)!
Big30
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This is my first post. Apologies if I have posted in wrong thread.
I visited one of "big" FKK's one month and had sex with 5 Ladies over 2 days. Had BBBJ with all 5 Ladies & DATY with just one.
Yesterday morning when I awoke I felt extremely weak, headache (Flu like symptoms) Spent the day in bed & the weak feeling went away after approx 15 hours. After a night's sleep I'm about 90% recovered.
Life has been busy over the past few weeks. Working long hours with some nights out. I was feeling tired all week with not too much sleep. Also have a cold for a number of weeks that I can't shake off.
I've started to worry about having contacted HIV via Oral Sex. I know the risks of contacting hiv via oral sex are low & that the Ladies in the club are tested regularly.
What do other forum members feel about risks of oral sex.
How long should I wait to get tested? Immediately, 3 months, 6 months?
Thanks,
Podge
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Oral Sex
This is my first post. Apologies if I have posted in wrong thread.
I visited one of "big" FKK's one month and had sex with 5 Ladies over 2 days. Had BBBJ with all 5 Ladies & DATY with just one.
Yesterday morning when I awoke I felt extremely weak, headache (Flu like symptoms) Spent the day in bed & the weak feeling went away after approx 15 hours. After a night's sleep I'm about 90% recovered.
Life has been busy over the past few weeks. Working long hours with some nights out. I was feeling tired all week with not too much sleep. Also have a cold for a number of weeks that I can't shake off.
I've started to worry about having contacted HIV via Oral Sex. I know the risks of contacting hiv via oral sex are low & that the Ladies in the club are tested regularly.
What do other forum members feel about risks of oral sex.
How long should I wait to get tested? Immediately, 3 months, 6 months?
Thanks,
Podge
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[QUOTE=Masayama]Vodka in Germany? Heretic! In Germany you drink beer, except near the French border, where you drink bad wine! If you want something stronger, try Jägermeister or Asbach.[/QUOTE]
Hey Masayama,
With all due respect, bite your tongue ;-)) Many wines that come from the German side of the French/German Grenze hold there own very well with their French counterparts from the other side. In fact I've had a number of whites from the Baden region that are just as good if not better than some Alsatian white wines I've sampled.
As for Vodka in D'land: One can find Grey Goose at most grocery stores, excluding Aldi, Lidl and Penny Markt. Ketel One is more difficult to find. These are my personal favorites. But if you happen to be in accord with my tastes and if you run into a Polish or Russian gentleman who is also a vodka fan, take care and keep your preferences to yourself. Admitting to a Russian of Polish person that the French and Dutch make the best vodka may be fighting words, and some Russians I've met at Oase and World might cut your ass from A to Z over such a misunderstanding ;-)))
You want authentic German hard stuff, then try some Kirschwasser. The best of it is really fine. Personally I could never understand why anyone would put that Jägermeister poison in their mouths. Gymnasium and college boys drink that stuff and puke on their girlfriends. Also winos and street people buy it.
Cheers,
Dedalus
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[QUOTE=Podge]This is my first post. Apologies if I have posted in wrong thread.
I visited one of "big" FKK's one month and had sex with 5 Ladies over 2 days. Had BBBJ with all 5 Ladies & DATY with just one.
Yesterday morning when I awoke I felt extremely weak, headache (Flu like symptoms) Spent the day in bed & the weak feeling went away after approx 15 hours. After a night's sleep I'm about 90% recovered.
Life has been busy over the past few weeks. Working long hours with some nights out. I was feeling tired all week with not too much sleep. Also have a cold for a number of weeks that I can't shake off.
I've started to worry about having contacted HIV via Oral Sex. I know the risks of contacting hiv via oral sex are low & that the Ladies in the club are tested regularly.
What do other forum members feel about risks of oral sex.
How long should I wait to get tested? Immediately, 3 months, 6 months?
Thanks,
Podge[/QUOTE]
Being infected with HIV from oral sex is extremely unlikely however if you are concerned you should get tested immediately.
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Discounts in FKK clubs?
An English version of a report in the Süddeutsche Zeitung last Friday - Hookers offer discounts amid limp sex trade
[url]http://www.thelocal.de/society/20090417-18699.html[/url]
Maybe there will be some discounts on the FKK scene as well.
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[QUOTE=Podge]... that the Ladies in the club are tested regularly.[/QUOTE]Are you sure of that?
For your information: the "Bockschein" (obligatory health certificate for prostitutes) has been abolished in Germany a few years ago.
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[QUOTE=Podge]
I visited one of "big" FKK's one month and had sex with 5 Ladies over 2 days. Had BBBJ with all 5 Ladies & DATY with just one.
Yesterday morning when I awoke I felt extremely weak, headache (Flu like symptoms) Spent the day in bed & the weak feeling went away after approx 15 hours. After a night's sleep I'm about 90% recovered.
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Sounds like you picked up a mild case of food poisoning. What did you eat for dinner the night before? chicken?
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Apparently, some individuals..
[QUOTE=Henio]I urge Jackyo as well as everyone else to keep posting. I also think that it is good to get multiple points of view on things and I dont see it as a bad thing to challenge some of the information given.[/QUOTE]
... don't like to read opposing points of view and they start to get cocky left on their own.
I express my points of view. You can agree or disagree.
Its all the same to me.
This forum has served (and still serves) to funnel folks to a handful of clubs.
Should we all just tow the party line and urge dudes to visit just this handful of clubs?
IMHO, this is a disservice to consumers, particularly to newbies who have limited comparisons to go by.
In the end, it is still [i]caveat emptor[/i]. Take everything you read here with a grain of salt.
Maybe we should all be publishing disclaimers after each post proclaiming "The views expressed herein represent personal opinions."
After three years of posting and almost 3,000 posts, I've seen and participated in just about any imaginable discussion you can have on this topic. After years of plugging the NRW clubs, I have yet to receive a check from the NRW tourism bureau.
Does it get repetitive? Fer shure.
What have we not discussed yet? Sex with midgets? Wrestling with a chick and having sex with her?
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What do you take inbetween multiple sessions?
i find it hard to recuperate inbetween sessions.
what can you take to help speed up the sperm production?
any good supplements?
vitamins?
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[QUOTE=Jackyo]...What have we not discussed yet? Sex with midgets? Wrestling with a chick and having sex with her?[/QUOTE] Interestingly enough, I had a chance to fuck a Colombian midget in a very rugged off the beaten path Spanish club some years back. Passed on the opportunity though. As for wrestling with a chick and have sex with her, that is about every other time I have sex :-)
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[QUOTE=Jackyo]
Should we all just tow the party line and urge dudes to visit just this handful of clubs?
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What clubs 'I' visit has alot to do with what im looking for during my vacation. Sex is one but im not spending the entire trip anymore fucking 24/7. I'd actually like a mix of hot girls, good sex, relaxing, getting a sauna, finding a connection or three, good food, a feeling of money well spent...and if possible an occasional beer. I just flew 10 hours in a small metal box getting to germany, I really don't want to feel claustrophobic in a club. I'd also prefer not to have to live on the same lunchmeat and cheese's that my hotel offered me for breakfast. I like goldentime, oase and world for their talent...but im also content with what finca has to offer. There are other clubs out there that id like to check out...accapolco, flamingo, artemis to name a few...but for now doing the larger clubs works best for 'me'.
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[QUOTE=Breadman]What clubs 'I' visit has alot to do with what im looking for during my vacation. Sex is one but im not spending the entire trip anymore fucking 24/7. I'd actually like a mix of hot girls, good sex, relaxing, getting a sauna, finding a connection or three, good food, a feeling of money well spent...and if possible an occasional beer. I just flew 10 hours in a small metal box getting to germany, I really don't want to feel claustrophobic in a club. I'd also prefer not to have to live on the same lunchmeat and cheese's that my hotel offered me for breakfast. I like goldentime, oase and world for their talent...but im also content with what finca has to offer. There are other clubs out there that id like to check out...accapolco, flamingo, artemis to name a few...but for now doing the larger clubs works best for 'me'.[/QUOTE]
We lose site of the fact that everyone has different tastes. No one club is the right answer for everyone. I have the same issue with surviving on FKK food for more than a day. I like good food and regularly leave clubs and have a real meal in a restaurant and return to the club. Some mongering friends prefer to eat FKK food so as not to miss time hanging out with the ladies. Different strokes for different folks.
BTW, if visiting Acapulco, I would suggest you read BC and my trip reports. The club works for me as I have broad tastes. Didn't work for BC as the lineup did not meet visual requirements. I can only baseline with clubs I have visited, but I thought the visual quality was in line if a little bit below VV. It was higher than F39 and higher still than Bernds. I have no experience with Finca. I don't want to discourage anyone from visiting, but if you are looking for the hottest lineup visually, you should probably stick to the Hessen 3 or GT.
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Resaurants near FKK Clubs - List?
[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern] I like good food and regularly leave clubs and have a real meal in a restaurant and return to the club. Some mongering friends prefer to eat FKK food so as not to miss time hanging out with the ladies. Different strokes for different folks.
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I am the same.. I prefer to have a break because you get desensitised to naked flesh and a break refreshes your eyes. Also, if I have FKK food for two days in a row, I terrible heartburn for the next week! I also can not buy anti-acids or Bicarb in Germany because I just can't find them! So if anybody can give me info on this it would be great.
Now, I think it would be useful and constructive to complie a list of useful restaurants near the main FKK places.
I have not been to one in several years... near World however, there used to be a "Cuban Cafe" that did great non-alcoholic cocktails and great "finger food" that left you really satisfied. It was in Linden, up the main road fromthe Etap. Also there is the Usual Fast Food stuff there in Grossen Linden.
Any other suggestions?
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[QUOTE=Mike De H]I am the same.. I prefer to have a break because you get desensitised to naked flesh and a break refreshes your eyes. Also, if I have FKK food for two days in a row, I terrible heartburn for the next week! I also can not buy anti-acids or Bicarb in Germany because I just can't find them! So if anybody can give me info on this it would be great.
Now, I think it would be useful and constructive to complie a list of useful restaurants near the main FKK places.
I have not been to one in several years... near World however, there used to be a "Cuban Cafe" that did great non-alcoholic cocktails and great "finger food" that left you really satisfied. It was in Linden, up the main road fromthe Etap. Also there is the Usual Fast Food stuff there in Grossen Linden.
Any other suggestions?[/QUOTE]From Oase, there is a place called Lindenhof in Friedrichsdorf which is quite good.
From Palace, I usually take the U Bahn to Bockenheimerwarte. The are a plethora of choice. I like Doctor Flotte which is a bit of a dive, but serves a great Schnitzel.
From F39, I like Die Eule in downtown Bochum. Of course, F39 you cannot leave and return (or they set a very restrictive time period like 30 minutes). I usually finish up by about 8PM and have dinner when finished with FKKing.
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[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]
BTW, if visiting Acapulco, I would suggest you read BC and my trip reports. The club works for me as I have broad tastes. Didn't work for BC as the lineup did not meet visual requirements.[/QUOTE]Acapulco was included because it falls under the 'money well spent' catagory. Cheap to get into, looks to be a decent size club...but its also close to several other clubs that i've visited or would like to check out.
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Marijuana and African American men
[QUOTE=ThaCTJohn]This might sound crazy but how are African American males viewed in Germany and is marijuana legal in Germany.[/QUOTE]
Marijuana is not legal in Germany. Someone probably has better information about rules governing posession and what amounts are allowed, what fines and penalties are but you are best off visiting the Netherlands if this is a motivating factor.
A friend of mine who is African American and lived in Germany for years enjoyed a special status while he was there. Germans have a thing for African American culture (contemporary R&B music, for one) and he was always very well treated. He has a weakness for German blondes and was able to pursue this interest to his hearts content. It helps a lot that he speaks fluent German and is quite a talker.
Africans from Africa though are placed in a different category.
Two colleagues I can think of on this forum are probably in a better position to fill you in on how black men are received: DJ For Money (I can't remember if this is one word or two) and Dark Vader (who is a major, major PT fiend).
Agreed that stereotypes are harmful but if you are well endowed and long lasting you would actually be a minor sensation at certain PTs.
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[QUOTE=Jackyo]A friend of mine who is African American and lived in Germany for years enjoyed a special status while he was there. Germans have a thing for African American culture (contemporary R&B music, for one) and he was always very well treated. He has a weakness for German blondes and was able to pursue this interest to his hearts content. It helps a lot that he speaks fluent German and is quite a talker. [/QUOTE]
Jackyo is correct. Germans in general love black people. Some FKKs actually offer the black people free entry. F39 and Golden Time are two of them. A black man can pretty much pick up any German woman anytime.
Seriously, the truth is far more nuanced than portrayed.
The Germans are no worse than anyone else in the world as far as I can tell, but there are some issues. In the FKK world, there are some clubs that may turn you away. There are racists in Germany just as there are racists in the USA. Many of them are of an older generation and as such the problem is being addressed by them dying off of old age. Just like the US. I will say that I have perceived that the Germans strive to have a tolerant culture. I also sense that there is an undertone that this is done somewhat to atone for what transpired around the middle of the last century.
The other side of the coin is the skinheads or neo-nazis. While not large in numbers, they do exist. Last time I ran into skinheads in Germany was 2002. I was walking with a female friend in downtown Nuremburg. We are both white and by our appearance and dress could easily have been mistaken for a middle aged German couple. We were both students in the Goethe Institut at the time and were speaking in English to each other. As we walked down the street, a group of male voices start swearing at us in German. I turned to swear back (in German of course). She grabbed me and said "let it go, keep walking". It was then that I realized it was a group of skinheads. One even had a swastika tattooed on his forehead. Back then, my impression was you were more likely to encounter skinheads in the former DDR. I haven't encountered a skinhead since.
I was curious if the movement had pretty much died out so I googled "Germany skinhead 2009". I found there was a demonstration in Dresden of 6000 neo-nazi, skinheads, and othe anti-immigrant folks on the 64th anniversary of the firebombing of Dresden. I don't think these folks are likely to be overly friendly.
It's possible you could go to Germany and never encounter any of this. Just like a middle easterner could come to the US and never encounter any racial issues.
As far as German fluency, those that hate you for race really aren't going to be swayed by whether you get der/die/das right.
I frankly see more racism in this forum than I encounter in when traveling in Germany. Try searching the Germany FKK forum for "Turk" or "foreigner" some time.
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Shower facilities with girl at FKK
Which FKK's allow shower facilities where you can bathe with the girl?
Do the rooms that you go to have bedsheets that are changed between sessions? Concerned about hygiene.
Do the girls brush their teeth and clean out their mouth and do they shower between sessions?
Seems a bit icky, and curious about cleanliness as they switch from monger to monger.
Tom
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I take time in between sessions to recuperate
[quote=stakeout]i find it hard to recuperate inbetween sessions.
what can you take to help speed up the sperm production?
any good supplements?
vitamins?[/quote]
hi stakeout,
to recuperate between sessions, i at times take a nap, have some food and as many drinks as my body says it wants. i also go for a sauna, cold shower, steam room, whirl pool, take a dip in the swimming pool if the facilities allow. then more drinks and chats with companions. this is done to use up time between sessions and is also a relaxing ritual. by the time all this is done i am nearly ready for another session. a few girls have commented to me that taking time is the way to refill the sperm fluid banks before another session.
one of my fave girls has refused me once before since it was only 1.5 hours since i did her last and she was not going to do me again until say 2-3 hours had passed since our last session. most girls do not care how long ago your last session was.
a friendly ijsbeer i know said he went with one pretty brunette croatian girl that i also had the hots for.
he was asked by the croatian girl, "how many sessions have you had before me?"
the ijsbeer said that, "i have been with four girls already today at golden time before you."
the girl replied loudly, "fuck, now i have to work!".
what i do of taking time between sessions is not based on any scientific advice but time seems to work for me.
it is best that you consult your general practitioner or go to a specialist in penis matters for the best advice.
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Bathing questions
[QUOTE=Tomm Boyytoyy]Which FKK's allow shower facilities where you can bathe with the girl?
Do the rooms that you go to have bedsheets that are changed between sessions? Concerned about hygiene.
Do the girls brush their teeth and clean out their mouth and do they shower between sessions?
Seems a bit icky, and curious about cleanliness as they switch from monger to monger.
Tom[/QUOTE]
Hi Tomm Boyytoyy,
I am not sure if your first question is aimed at being able to have an assisted shower with a girl or you like the voyeuristic aspect of watching girls bathing.
In some FKKs there are shower facilities that are communal and mean that the men folk are able to shower with the girls at time.
FKK World has locker rooms where some of the ladies lockers are shared with the men’s lockers. The girls do have their own shower room at World but that is on the other side of the building away from the locker room where the men change and shower in. So to save the trip to the other side of the building some girls will shower in the men’s locker room showers. There you can see a naked girl getting scrubbed up but most men just mind their own business and let the woman be rather than stand their open mouthed and ogling.
In the end if you are really insistent on being able to bathe with women you might ask to pay some girls to come shower with you.
At Sauna club Golden Time, once again, the locker room is shared with some of the girls. You will see at times the girls showering alongside the men. The girls also sometimes at the end of the evening in the showers in the sauna and whirlpool area as those showers are closer to the ladies’ main locker rooms.
A write up of an incident where I showered with a girl at Golden Time is described in the attached link:
Golden Time [post]871780[/post]
If you want a specific girl to shower with you then it may help if you ask her if she minded doing so.
The clubs that I know that use fresh bed sheets for each session is FKK Palace, Villa Vertigo and Golden Time.
Girls are meant to bathe in between sessions but the extent that they do depends. A girl would have spent a lot of time putting on make up on her face and moisturizing. For girls to be showering constantly and thoroughly, will remove the benefits of that moisturizing, and there would be an adverse impact on her make up and not to mention her hair. Expect most girls to bathe in between sessions but not whole body I think.
As to the girls brushing their teeth in between session is a bit much to ask. Too much tooth brushing grinds down and ruins the enamel. Expect at least the girls to use mouth wash after each session and you can even see girls use a mouth wash during but mainly after a session if she has been kissing you or been sucking your schwanz to completion.
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[QUOTE=Basketcase]Hi Tomm Boyytoyy,
As to the girls brushing their teeth in between session is a bit much to ask. Too much tooth brushing grinds down and ruins the enamel. Expect at least the girls to use mouth wash after each session and you can even see girls use a mouth wash during but mainly after a session if she has been kissing you or been sucking your schwanz to completion.[/QUOTE]
Hello BC, see you soon, can't wait.
Brushing the teeth can be very dangerous to girls who are taking loads of semen into their mouths. Bleeding gums, which most of us acquire to varying degrees after brushing, is an ideal portal for entry of HIV and Hepatitis C. I always refrain from brushing at the clubs ( not that I am taking semen LOL) , instead using Listerine mouthwash after a vigorous water rinse after meals, and at any time during the day I consume massive quantities of Listerine Pocket Packs, the Listerine impregnated gelatin wisps that dissolve instantly in your mouth, killing germs and freshening one's breath. Many is the girl who has appropriated my entire Pocket Pack when offerred one before a session.
Sadly, I have yet to find a girl who will allow me to place one on my tongue and then lick her muschi.
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[QUOTE=Tomm Boyytoyy]Which FKK's allow shower facilities where you can bathe with the girl? [/QUOTE]
Some of the rooms upstairs at Villa Vertigo have en-suite showers. If that's your thing, I'm pretty sure that you could ask for some shower play to be included.
While not an FKK, TraumParadise in Spich has en-suite showers in all of its rooms and the action actually can start during your pre-session shower.
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Traum Paradise
Interesting. Is Traum Paradise reviewed on this board? I searched but could not find it. They have some nice girls, but the pricing is not mentioned. They only mention no entrance fee, but does not say the price of the session, perhaps that's where they really get you.
1) Any idea on session pricing
2) Any reviews or knowledge on whether the info on their site and pics are factually correct.
Thanks Iseeu for your excellent replies as always.
Tom
[While not an FKK, TraumParadise in Spich has en-suite showers in all of its rooms and the action actually can start during your pre-session shower.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Tomm Boyytoyy]Which FKK's allow shower facilities where you can bathe with the girl?[/QUOTE]
Some of the rooms upstairs at FKK Atlantik in Hanau have en-suite showers. Just be aware that this forum rarely speaks favorably of this club.
Do the shower facilities need to be in private rooms? I think many girls would not mind taking a shower in the men's shower facilities. Just ask. Also, many clubs provide shower facilites with semi-privacy (on quiet days that is), like
- Palace: The shower outside the steamroom. There is also another outside the sauna.
- World: The shower behind the jacuzzi downstairs.
- Bernd's: The downstairs showers.
- Oase: The showers by the steamroom.
All places mentioned above provide good places for hygienic purposes, foreplay and fooling around. If she will actually do the deed there too is an open question. But if that is your thing, simply ask the girl.
Is jacuzzi off-topic? If not, Bernd's and FKK Atlantik do have private rooms with jacuzzi. I think maybe World too?
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Tomm Boyytoyy
To find reviews on Traum Paradies go to the Cologne thread.
Theres loads of info. I did a visit soley based on the info I read on this site.
Z
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[QUOTE=Tomm Boyytoyy]Which FKK's allow shower facilities where you can bathe with the girl?
Do the rooms that you go to have bedsheets that are changed between sessions? Concerned about hygiene.
Do the girls brush their teeth and clean out their mouth and do they shower between sessions?
Seems a bit icky, and curious about cleanliness as they switch from monger to monger.
Tom[/QUOTE]
ColA has shower facilities in the rooms as I remember.
Each room at Palace has a drawer with fresh sheets. The girls put them on the bed before the session. Most other clubs use towels for basic bed hygiene.
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[QUOTE=Iseeu]Some of the rooms upstairs at Villa Vertigo have en-suite showers. If that's your thing, I'm pretty sure that you could ask for some shower play to be included.
While not an FKK, TraumParadise in Spich has en-suite showers in all of its rooms and the action actually can start during your pre-session shower.[/QUOTE]
Personnally I had a bath with Yvonne (she does not work any more) in a bathtube at Villa Vertigo.
But I'm afraid that in general, without extras, the proposal should come from the ladies.
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[QUOTE=Jackyo]This forum has served (and still serves) to funnel folks to a handful of clubs.
Should we all just tow the party line and urge dudes to visit just this handful of clubs? [/QUOTE]
Geography funnels folks to a handful of clubs. It certainly funnels newbees to Palace. Frankfurt is the international transportation hub of Germany. Yes, Dusseldorf and Munich are lesser hubs, but for many (myself included), Frankfurt is the most convenient entry point into Germany. You can exit Frankfurt customs and get to Palace, change, shower and be talking to nude cuties in under an hour. You don't need to worry about German as you can navigate Frankfurt public transport easily with no knowledge of German. It is likely to be at least 50% of newbees first port of call for that reason alone.
I actually suggest we ask newbees what is important to them and offer advise based on that. Be aware many non-German speakers are not comfortable driving on the autobahn and finding their way around Germany.
[QUOTE=Jackyo]IMHO, this is a disservice to consumers, particularly to newbies who have limited comparisons to go by.[/QUOTE]
I don't see why. There is plenty written about the advantages and disadvantages of the various clubs.
[QUOTE=Jackyo]In the end, it is still [i]caveat emptor[/i]. Take everything you read here with a grain of salt.
Maybe we should all be publishing disclaimers after each post proclaiming "The views expressed herein represent personal opinions." [/QUOTE]
And for some, a salt lick rather than a grain might be in order.
Rather than a disclaimer, if you could let us know in your posts which of your opinions are based on recent, first hand opinion, and which are based on second hand (other forums, someone told me, etc.) or outdated (e.g.: five years old), it would go a long way in preventing misunderstandings.
[QUOTE=Jackyo]After three years of posting and almost 3,000 posts, I've seen and participated in just about any imaginable discussion you can have on this topic. After years of plugging the NRW clubs, I have yet to receive a check from the NRW tourism bureau. [/QUOTE]
Quantity != quality.
Not sure why you feel the need to "plug" clubs. It distorts the value of any information if you have an interest in promotion. I prefer poster that just report their perceptions. You may disagree, but at least there motives are honest (sharing information).
[QUOTE=Jackyo]What have we not discussed yet? Sex with midgets? Wrestling with a chick and having sex with her?[/QUOTE]
Why?
If you stick to what you know, rather than trying to insert yourself into every conversation, your contributions to the board would be more valuable.
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Here you go again...
[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]Geography funnels folks to a handful of clubs. It certainly funnels newbees to Palace. Frankfurt is the international transportation hub of Germany. Yes, Dusseldorf and Munich are lesser hubs, but for many (myself included), Frankfurt is the most convenient entry point into Germany. You can exit Frankfurt customs and get to Palace, change, shower and be talking to nude cuties in under an hour. You don't need to worry about German as you can navigate Frankfurt public transport easily with no knowledge of German. It is likely to be at least 50% of newbees first port of call for that reason alone.
I actually suggest we ask newbees what is important to them and offer advise based on that. Be aware many non-German speakers are not comfortable driving on the autobahn and finding their way around Germany.
I don't see why. There is plenty written about the advantages and disadvantages of the various clubs.
And for some, a salt lick rather than a grain might be in order.
Rather than a disclaimer, if you could let us know in your posts which of your opinions are based on recent, first hand opinion, and which are based on second hand (other forums, someone told me, etc.) or outdated (e.g.: five years old), it would go a long way in preventing misunderstandings.
Quantity != quality.
Not sure why you feel the need to "plug" clubs. It distorts the value of any information if you have an interest in promotion. I prefer poster that just report their perceptions. You may disagree, but at least there motives are honest (sharing information).
Why?
If you stick to what you know, rather than trying to insert yourself into every conversation, your contributions to the board would be more valuable.[/QUOTE]
Dude,
I've given you the "ignore" option several times but apparently you can't stop reading what I write. This makes no sense at all.
It looks to me like you are looking for my approval. What for? Why should you care what I think? I would go into an amateur psychologist mode at this point but I won't.
This adversarial thing is a waste of time.
And apparently you've gone to the George W. Bush School of Diplomacy and taken up the motto: "If you aren't with me, you are against me." Leave folks alone who are simply expressing opinions which don't coincide with yours.
I have been extremely meticulous in detailing which reports I've read elsewhere, which experiences are directly mine. When I've translated material I've noted who wrote it, where it came from and then I do my thing. I've never claimed to be the origin of such material.
My credentials are well established and my points of view are clear. The distilled version of all of this experience I've boiled down for folks several times. There is no need to repeat them here.
Visiting clubs I've put on a list of 'no-go" clubs doesn't make sense. What purpose would that serve? I am not disparaging clubs and then sneaking into them.
Will I go back to the Hessen clubs one day? Yes. It would take a special set of circumstances for me to do that but it is not unthinkable.
I've had negative impressions of clubs before and changed my mind about them: Wildenrath and Heavensgate, z. B.
If you've been at this long enough you can enter a club, sniff the air and say a) definitely will be back, b) not coming back ever, c) may have just been a bad day but will return to check it out again.
You've done this yourself and then declared: "Bernds sucks! Babylon sucks!"
Go do your own thing and I'll do mine.
Yes, I do prefer quality to quantity, hence my preference for certain clubs over the mainstream clubs visited here.
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[QUOTE=Tomm Boyytoyy]Which FKK's allow shower facilities where you can bathe with the girl?
Tom[/QUOTE]
Hey Tomm,
If you want to indulge in a private shower experience with a girl (or two), then you might want to try out Golden Time. At least two of the rooms there have shower facilities (one even has a sauna). Just tell the gal of your choice what you have in mind and she will get the key to those rooms.
Off hand, that is the only club I can think of with such a possibility.
Taking a shower with a girl in one of the more public areas of a club is no problem. I've seen Regi do it many times with Gents at GT, and I myself have gone wet and wild at World a few times using the shower downstairs across from the WC near the downstairs rooms.
After Beffen and I heard that fat slob take a leak in the showers by the sauna at Oase, the idea of doing something there has sorta lost its thrill.
Cheers,
Dedalus
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[QUOTE=Dedalus]
After Beffen and I heard that fat slob take a leak in the showers by the sauna at Oase, the idea of doing something there has sorta lost its thrill.
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"Leak" is the least of your worries...some drunk left a "milky way bar" behind after the toilet was occupied for a bit longer than he could handle....this at a club that shall remain nameless.
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[QUOTE=Dedalus]After Beffen and I heard that fat slob take a leak in the showers by the sauna at Oase, the idea of doing something there has sorta lost its thrill.[/QUOTE]
What is it with public showers that make some want to start taking a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]? I was in GT about a month ago and a guy two nozzles down starts draining the lizard right there in the shower. He was neither fat nor middle eastern, but looked like an average German or Dutch guy in his 30s. I was tempted to report this to the desk, but he dressed and left.
I also notice at Acapulco they have no pissing in the shower signs prominently displayed. What kind of moron needs a sign to know this is not acceptable behavior.
Other weird thing I noticed at GT. A guy in the shower had a tramp stamp tattoo. I wonder just what the hell he was thinking when he got that tattoo. Seems like any reputable tattoo parlor would have explained to him why it was not a good idea for a guy to get one.
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[QUOTE=Jackyo]Dude,
I've given you the "ignore" option several times but apparently you can't stop reading what I write. This makes no sense at all.
It looks to me like you are looking for my approval. What for? Why should you care what I think? I would go into an amateur psychologist mode at this point but I won't.
This adversarial thing is a waste of time.
And apparently you've gone to the George W. Bush School of Diplomacy and taken up the motto: "If you aren't with me, you are against me." Leave folks alone who are simply expressing opinions which don't coincide with yours.
I have been extremely meticulous in detailing which reports I've read elsewhere, which experiences are directly mine. When I've translated material I've noted who wrote it, where it came from and then I do my thing. I've never claimed to be the origin of such material.
My credentials are well established and my points of view are clear. The distilled version of all of this experience I've boiled down for folks several times. There is no need to repeat them here.
Visiting clubs I've put on a list of 'no-go" clubs doesn't make sense. What purpose would that serve? I am not disparaging clubs and then sneaking into them.
Will I go back to the Hessen clubs one day? Yes. It would take a special set of circumstances for me to do that but it is not unthinkable.
I've had negative impressions of clubs before and changed my mind about them: Wildenrath and Heavensgate, z. B.
If you've been at this long enough you can enter a club, sniff the air and say a) definitely will be back, b) not coming back ever, c) may have just been a bad day but will return to check it out again.
You've done this yourself and then declared: "Bernds sucks! Babylon sucks!"
Go do your own thing and I'll do mine.
Yes, I do prefer quality to quantity, hence my preference for certain clubs over the mainstream clubs visited here.[/QUOTE]
Feel free to ignore me if my posts bother you so much.
I'm going to keep posting to correct when you spread misinformation. So, in no particular order:
1) "It looks to me like you are looking for my approval."
In your dreams. If you want to use this forums as marketing for clubs you like and spreading misinformation about those you don't like, I'm going to post corrections to your misinformation. If you think that is seeking approval, I worry about your mental state. The word delusional comes to mind.
2) "My credentials are well established and my points of view are clear."
Well, I think your credibility is questionable to say the least. A number of your statements about the Topclubs have been thoroughly debunked.
You've also stated that you post to promote certain clubs. As most of us post in order to honestly and openly share information to hopefully benefit each other, your ceaseless marketing destroys your credibility.
3) "You've done this yourself and then declared: "Bernds sucks! Babylon sucks!""
Classic strawman argument. I've never used the word "sucks" with either establishment. I've visited both and I just think there are better options out there. I have stated I think the women at Bernds are older and on average less attractive than their sisters at the Topclubs. I've also stated the same thing about F39 and Acapulco, both clubs which I rather like. Not sure why that gets some of the Bernds fan club so riled up.
Everything is relative. I would probably visit Bernds and Babylon, but only if Oase, Palace, World, GT, Happy Garden, F39, Acapulco and VV were all closed.
4) "If you've been at this long enough you can enter a club, sniff the air and say a) definitely will be back, b) not coming back ever, c) may have just been a bad day but will return to check it out again."
Sure you can. And if you believe that, I've got a bridge to sell you.
Perhaps if you are guided by your preconceived notions, but in that case, why bother visiting at all.
For me, a new club is like a woman, it takes time to discover all her charms (and shortcomings). It is the women, not the air, that determines if I will return. Takes at least a couple of hours to get a sense of the line-up.
5) "Yes, I do prefer quality to quantity, hence my preference for certain clubs over the mainstream clubs visited here."
Your posting history disputes that. Perhaps if you focused on the quality of your posts, and perhaps posted a review once in a while, I would not be questioning the quality of your posts.
Regards,
EL
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[QUOTE=Tomm Boyytoyy]Which FKK's allow shower facilities where you can bathe with the girl?
Do the rooms that you go to have bedsheets that are changed between sessions? Concerned about hygiene.
Do the girls brush their teeth and clean out their mouth and do they shower between sessions?
Seems a bit icky, and curious about cleanliness as they switch from monger to monger.
Tom[/QUOTE]
Traum Paradise will fit your needs for both hygiene and showers. A second choice for showers in Yin Yang.
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[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]Feel free to ignore me if my posts bother you so much.[/QUOTE]With all due respect, EL, it seems that you might be the one who would benefit from utilizing the "ignore" button. I don't recall anyone else being disturbed by what Jackyo contributes. On the contrary. :-)
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What impact will the swine flu have on the current FKK scene?
I am planning a visit to an FKK club in the next few days.
What impact do you think the current global issue of swine flu will have on the FKK scene?
Naturally it all depends on how things develop the next few days (and weeks), how many people are affected, and in what countries - even though containment is impossible with the global mobility of today's world.
Do you think girls will refuse DFK this weekend? Would you avoid DFK?
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Man, I hate it when I have to be the grown-up, but ...
... can we all just concentrate on writing reports? It's Ok to say "I don't like this place, because ...". And it's just as fine if another poster chimes in saying they like the very same place. What gets tiresome is the continued arguing about it. It is great that we like different things; otherwise we'd all be standing in line at the same club, waiting to hump the same women. :( Let's just keep the reports coming, with all of their positive and negative points, and let's leave it at that.
thanks in advance
euro
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[quote=ekliges lauern] what is it with public showers that make some want to start taking a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]? i was in gt about a month ago and a guy two nozzles down starts draining the lizard right there in the shower. he was neither fat nor middle eastern, but looked like an average german or dutch guy in his 30s. i was tempted to report this to the desk, but he dressed and left.
i also notice at acapulco they have no pissing in the shower signs prominently displayed. what kind of moron needs a sign to know this is not acceptable behavior.[/quote]
i guess people are lazy and think that the running water washes the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] away. then again hearing about some guys getting a kick out of pissing on girls or having girls [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] on them makes you wonder if they are getting a thrill by [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112][CodeWord112][/url] in public so that others can see them. it does seem in off shoot or an extension of all the public sex that goes on in sauna clubs and fkks.
yes, this prerogative to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] in the shower is not exclusive to any one body type or racial origin.
thank you for reminding us about the no pissing in the shower signs in acapulco. it does seems [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112][CodeWord112][/url] in the showers is an issue at acapulco hence explaining the need for clear signage and even a picture showing that [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112][CodeWord112][/url] in the shower is verboten.
[quote=ekliges lauern]other weird thing i noticed at gt. a guy in the shower had a tramp stamp tattoo. i wonder just what the hell he was thinking when he got that tattoo. seems like any reputable tattoo parlor would have explained to him why it was not a good idea for a guy to get one.
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my understanding is that arse antlers or tramp stamps with regard to men are for when you are an openly gay male and want one. fwiw, some myths abound that tramp stamps for women indicate that the women have a willingness to perform anal sex or at least have a preference for doggie style. maybe he was bi-sexual or was on holiday down in ibiza and thought it was a good idea at 03:00 in the morning before catching the sunrise on the terrace at one of the super clubs. maybe he spent some time in the pokie in a us state prison sharing a cell with a man called bubba. generally a non-bisexual male will only have tattoos on their lower back if they have an entire back piece that extends all the way down. ymmv.
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Termin Girls
Westbam here, new to the board, wondering if any of the fellow board members have had any experience with TerminGirls.
I am heading to Naples in a month or so but passing through Dusseldorf, I have a 5 hour transit and TerminGirls is very close by, so was thinking to pay it a visit. The girls look stunning can anyone vouche for the authenticity of what is displayed on the website.
The cost is steep I guess, they say that the service is safe but do you think these girls are checked out they apparently change girls each week, if I called the club would they be able to tell me that the girl has been checked out before she started that week. The price includes BBBJ but I would still go for a CBJ just that there is a lot of nasties you can pick up from BBBJ.
Any thoughts guys
Cheers
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[QUOTE=Toscana]With all due respect, EL, it seems that you might be the one who would benefit from utilizing the "ignore" button. I don't recall anyone else being disturbed by what Jackyo contributes. On the contrary. :-)[/QUOTE]
Toscana,
Thank you for your opinion. Now here is mine.
If you find my posts annoying, by all means, feel free to ignore me. The choice is yours. And the obligation is yours. As long as I abide by the forum rules, I cannot be responsible for how you perceive my posts.
I don't feel it is appropriate for you to suggest I should not continue to post, any more than I would suggest Jackyo should not post.
If he wishes to post in a repetitive manner plugging the clubs he likes and disparaging other clubs and forum members that like them, you should not be surprised if I reply in an equally repetitve manner.
Thanks again for your opinion. I will give your suggestions all the consideration they deserves.
Best regards,
EL
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[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]Toscana,
Thank you for your opinion. Now here is mine.
If you find my posts annoying, by all means, feel free to ignore me. The choice is yours. And the obligation is yours. As long as I abide by the forum rules, I cannot be responsible for how you perceive my posts.
I don't feel it is appropriate for you to suggest I should not continue to post, any more than I would suggest Jackyo should not post.
If he wishes to post in a repetitive manner plugging the clubs he likes and disparaging other clubs and forum members that like them, you should not be surprised if I reply in an equally repetitve manner.
Thanks again for your opinion. I will give your suggestions all the consideration they deserves.
Best regards,
EL[/QUOTE]
You have every right to post about whatever club you want, and you are entitled to your opinions. However, you do not have the right to disparage another member or his post. Capiche?
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[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]Toscana,
Thank you for your opinion. Now here is mine.
I don't feel it is appropriate for you to suggest I should not continue to post, any more than I would suggest Jackyo should not post.
Thanks again for your opinion. I will give your suggestions all the consideration they deserves.
Best regards,
EL[/QUOTE]
Dear EL,
Please read carefully. Toscana does not encourage you not to post! Clearly he will not do that. It just seems you have some problem with all the comments of Jackyo (Hessen is for tourist, PHG is bad I was refused there 3 years ago, only Babylon and BN and some other small clubs are good, his quoting of info from other fora and him always trying to impress with a limited knowledge of the German language).
There is an ignore buttom you can use! That is all what Toscana proposes.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/profile.php?do=editlist[/url]
I would not propose that actually! Your reaction on J's writing shows some sharpness and intelligence, for me it is in line with "the rules of conduct" although I am not aware of those rules.
Also I have no problems with the reaction of Jackyo. There seems to be a controversy, so what? As long as both members react in a gentleman way (I think they both do) I have no problems with that. Both your reactions and those of Jackyo, I do not consider to be personal attacks.
Why should wel all have the same opinion on this forum?
Kind regards,
Big30
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[QUOTE=Akibono]You have every right to post about whatever club you want, and you are entitled to your opinions. However, you do not have the right to disparage another member or his post. Capiche?[/QUOTE]
Well, I could reasonably argue that I and my posts have been disparaged. But I won't. It's easy to start yelling "Personal Attack!" when someone disagrees with you if you think the sheer act of disagreeing is a personal attack. But it's not very mature.
I think some forum members confuse legitimate disagreements with disparaging and personal attacks.
Capiche?
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[QUOTE=Big30]Dear EL,
Please read carefully. Toscana does not encourage you not to post! Clearly he will not do that. It just seems you have some problem with all the comments of Jackyo (Hessen is for tourist, PHG is bad I was refused there 3 years ago, only Babylon and BN and some other small clubs are good, his quoting of info from other fora and him always trying to impress with a limited knowledge of the German language).
There is an ignore buttom you can use! That is all what Toscana proposes.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/profile.php?do=editlist[/url]
I would not propose that actually! Your reaction on J's writing shows some sharpness and intelligence, for me it is in line with "the rules of conduct" although I am not aware of those rules.
Also I have no problems with the reaction of Jackyo. There seems to be a controversy, so what? As long as both members react in a gentleman way (I think they both do) I have no problems with that.
Why should wel all have the same opinion on this forum?
Kind regards,
Big30[/QUOTE]
Dear Big30,
Thank you for your post.
By stating I should ignore Jackyo's posts, he is stating he doesn't want me to post responses to Jackyo. I can somewhat understand his position as my posts are repetitive, but the posts I am replying to are repetitive as well. I can certainly sympathize as I find repetitive posting annoying. But at the end of the day, I cannot be responsible for what other users find annoying. This is why we all have the ignore button at our disposal. We can each take control of what we read using the ignore button. Your choice. My choice.
The reason I post repetitive responses to Jackyo's repetitve posts, is I am concerned about the "big lie" effect. The "big lie" effect is when misinformation is repeated so often that it begins to be perceived as true. This is a classic propoganda technique.
BTW, I thought you accurately summed up his posts (Hessen is for tourist, PHG is bad I was refused there 3 years ago, only Babylon and BN and some other small clubs are good, his quoting of info from other fora and him always trying to impress with a limited knowledge of the German language). Only addition I would make is when I spent some time reading RF, it appeared that he misrepresented what was being posted on other fora to prove his point. All back to the "big lie" propoganda technique.
Thanks again for your point of view. I hope you appreciate mine as well.
Regards,
EL
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[QUOTE=Basketcase]
Yes, this prerogative to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] in the shower is not exclusive to any one body type or racial origin.
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Hey BC,
Obviously not. However on that night in Oase the man in question WAS fat and only a slob would be so tasteless. As to his racial origin, I could not say and don't really care.
Cheers,
Dedalus
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[QUOTE=Westbam]Westbam here, new to the board, wondering if any of the fellow board members have had any experience with TerminGirls.
I am heading to Naples in a month or so but passing through Dusseldorf, I have a 5 hour transit and TerminGirls is very close by, so was thinking to pay it a visit. The girls look stunning can anyone vouche for the authenticity of what is displayed on the website.
The cost is steep I guess, they say that the service is safe but do you think these girls are checked out they apparently change girls each week, if I called the club would they be able to tell me that the girl has been checked out before she started that week. The price includes BBBJ but I would still go for a CBJ just that there is a lot of nasties you can pick up from BBBJ.
Any thoughts guys
Cheers[/QUOTE]
Hello WB,
I wrote a little about Termingirls a while back:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=853095&postcount=3756[/url]
Cheers,
Dedalus
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Colors of the Rainbow
[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]Well, I could reasonably argue that I and my posts have been disparaged. But I won't. It's easy to start yelling "Personal Attack!" when someone disagrees with you if you think the sheer act of disagreeing is a personal attack. But it's not very mature.
I think some forum members confuse legitimate disagreements with disparaging and personal attacks.
Capiche?[/QUOTE]
I think that you are confusing legitimate disagreements with personal attacks. Calling someone a "petty, pretentious ass" as you did on the Other FKK clubs thread is uncivil and has no place here, no matter how much you disagree with him or he's riled you up by his most recent response. That's a personal attack and is not part and parcel of legitimate disagreement.
This is supposed to be fun. This forum is for the sharing of info so that we can enhance our experiences. We should embrace the disparate views of our mongering colleagues and glean from them the info that we find valuable, while at the same time discarding the chaff, the data which is tainted by personal taste and preferences.
Everyone has a perfect right to post any opinion that is relevant to the purpose of the thread, even if it does not agree with your own. You and I have had a heated discussion and recurring debate on some of the threads here for awhile. I have found some of your views to be incorrect, indefensible, overly opinionated and unfair and I am sure that you feel the same way about mine. That's fine, that's Ok, that's what makes it interesting here. Occasionally, you'll make a point that may change my previous opinion about something. Hopefully, I make some points that you can agree with.
That's what the forum is for and makes the info available here valuable and believable to some extent. We know that it's not coming from the club proprietors or someone else with a vested interest. And we get to see both sides of the coin, which helps us to make more educated decisions.
Colors of the rainbow. It's only a combination of all of them that distills into perfect white. We should acknowledge and embrace the diversity amongst the forum members, respecting them for their alternative thinking and disparate preferences. Some times those opinions don't mesh with mine, but they still deserve a relevant and respectful reply.
Let's agree to disagree, have fun and keep it civil. Sadly, some of us forget this at times.
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So you want to know about Bird Flu?
[QUOTE=Stakeout]I am planning a visit to an FKK club in the next few days.
What impact do you think the current global issue of swine flu will have on the FKK scene? [/QUOTE]
If the last Bird-Flu scare is anything to go by, then absolutely nothing. The Girls are generally not squemish or they would not do the job. Despite all the risks, you will find girls who will remain in the job no matter what. I do not think that German authorities will take action as they do not seem to go with the "nanny state" idea as much as other countries.
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Naturally it all depends on how things develop the next few days (and weeks), how many people are affected, and in what countries - even though containment is impossible with the global mobility of today's world.
Do you think girls will refuse DFK this weekend? Would you avoid DFK?[/QUOTE]
The short answer is no. Like all risks you have to take thngs in perspective. You must take into account the following things...
1) MEDIA: The Media make things worse as they have to "sell" news and threats sell news. Therefore the reports will be made using language that gives bias to the threat rather than a balanced opinion. It is very important to the media to have a "current threat". Terrorism, Pandemic, White Slavery (human trafficing, specifically of your daughter) Polar Ice Caps melting down, Neuclear Oblivion, Ice Age coming, then all back round again in circles. Ref: [url]www.disinformation.com[/url] / Russ Kick's "You Are Being Lied To". All these threats are real, but the timing and language are all timed to keep one scare or the other fresh in the public mind, even though any individual is very unlikely to suffer ill effect from these threats.
2) INFECTION RATES: Of all the Swine Flu cases in Mexico as of yesterday, only 7 are confirmed to be swine-flu virus this year. All flu deaths are reported as "suspected cases" . Other reports are wrong. Look out for the language they are reported in and you will often see the word "suspected" or "Possible". Often you will just get a straight forward wrong answer.
3) RELATIVE INFECTION RATES: There are 36000 Flu related deaths in the USA every year. ref: [url]http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2240054/posts[/url]. The vast majority are not connected to strains of animal / human hybrids. IF you are worried about Swine Flu then you should be still be worried about Bird Flu, which is currently killing more than Swine Flu, but has not materialised into a pandemic yet. ref: [url]http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1879339,00.html[/url]
4) DEATH RATES: Many of the people with Swine Flu who are fit, healthy and in a 1st World Country will not die of Swine flu, should they contract it. Often they will think it is ordinary flu and get over it like any other flu. The danger is they will pass it on and because of its combination with an animal flu will travel more agressively because it is a strain your immune system knows nothing about. To balance this Article, this is an article by Robert Webster who has warned that doomsday [b]might[/b] be coming. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Webster[/url] and here is a counter-argument: [url]http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/04/29/Swine-Flu.aspx[/url]
5) INFECTION RATES: The masks are really amusing. Although a sneeze can send a virus ten meters, the viral load of the air is unlikely to affect you. Your immune system needs to be overwhelmed. There could be some benefit, if you are infectious and in a railway carriage of car with somebody. It will not stop you getting infection from anybody else. The most common method of transferral is by skin touch (shaking hands, touching a handle or desk of an onfected person). Wash your hands, use a tissue, clean your surfaces, don't bother to wear a mask. This is of importance when you ask about DFK. I think you can safely say when you are having sex with someone, the kiss will not make matters any worse.
Finally, you can have sex with someone who is carrying flu (or plague or anything) and not contract it. Its all about how your immune system responds.
p.s. If I die of Swine Flu, then I take all this back. Over to you Beffen!
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El
Your response to my post 3889 was polite, for which thanks, but just for the record, Big30 got it completely right, and you indeed got it wrong.
I never said that I find your posts annoying.
I never said that I do not want you to post responses to Jackyo.
Please do me the courtesy of reading my post 3889 again. I thought carefully about what I wrote.
I do say that I find, after a bit of searching, that you seem to be the only person to object to Jackyo's posts. Quite a few forum colleagues have in contrast thanked him for his points. It can happen that he irritates you (I by no means agree with everything he says, but we seem to rub along fine, all is OK). I therefore suggested that you might find it more profitable (for all of us?), if you, who clearly are disturbed by his posts, simply ignore them.
I have buttoned a couple of posters who annoy me, and you know, it works. :-) (But I would add that I wouldn't dream - based on my judgement of your respective contributions - of buttoning either you or Jackyo.)
Basketcase (sorry, I can't be bothered to switch threads),
to bring it back to the Mädels, who is that beautiful, long straight-haired, slim blonde with A/B breasts at most (a straight 10 in my book) who hangs around with Timea and co. at the Hungarian couch at Oase? She bewitched me yesterday, but I ended up following a tip from Gitan, a forum colleague more famous on Youppie of course, to try Santina instead. A bit of input would be appreciated. Name would do. If I want more I'll revert to the Oase thread. Thanks.
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[QUOTE=Toscana]Your response to my post 3889 was polite, for which thanks, but just for the record, Big30 got it completely right, and you indeed got it wrong.
I never said that I find your posts annoying.
I never said that I do not want you to post responses to Jackyo.
Please do me the courtesy of reading my post 3889 again. I thought carefully about what I wrote.
I do say that I find, after a bit of searching, that you seem to be the only person to object to Jackyo's posts. Quite a few forum colleagues have in contrast thanked him for his points. It can happen that he irritates you (I by no means agree with everything he says, but we seem to rub along fine, all is OK). I therefore suggested that you might find it more profitable (for all of us?), if you, who clearly are disturbed by his posts, simply ignore them.
I have buttoned a couple of posters that annoy me, and you know, it works. :-) (But I would add that I wouldn't dream - based on my judgement of your respective contributions - of buttoning either you or Jackyo.)[/QUOTE]
Hey, Big 30 seems to get alot of things right!
But, to the main discussion at hand, the EL vs JackyO crossfire, may I add a slightly different perspective?... I'll take that gap of silence as a "yes."
Let's not forget that the debate between EL and JackyO is a healthy, kind of katharsis (read forum enema, i.e. flushing of the rectal tube) type of discussion. It does call into question issues that should be at the forefront. It is Hardball, so to speak.
I for one get quite a kick out of reading the back and forth banter of two stalwart posters and quite eloquent posters in our presence. I am sure, deep down, neither one takes themselves that seriously. It is a game, a dance...and for me quite entertaining!
Did somebody call somebody else a "pretentious Ass?" Oh, good God, NO!!!! Come on, man, lol!!! That was fucking great!! Besides: That is not anything bad from where I come. Hell, one can conjur up much, much worse. In fact, I think both Jacky O and EL have conducted themselves like true gentlemen of the Debate, just passionate about their positions and perspectives to the last, each representing an opposite extreme of the FKK opinion specturm. Everything has been perfectly fine Cricket so far, so...
Long may the debate rage for the enlightment and entertainment of us all, I say. And keep those oratorial barbs flying! I'm loving it...
Sorry, I know my views are probably well left of centre...
Ortos
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[QUOTE=Ortos]
Sorry, I know my views are probably well left of centre...[/QUOTE]Hey leftie, fuck you, you're buttoned! LOL.
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[QUOTE=Toscana]Hey leftie, fuck you, you're buttoned! LOL.[/QUOTE]Lol!! Now that's what's what I like! You're a passionate Devil, Tosc. I ain't buttoned, just stoned.
Post-script: I just noticed at the time of my post, I wrote Devil to Tosc. He has a posting number at this time as 666. I did not see this when the word "Devil" was typed. It just crossed my mind...weird!
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[QUOTE=Ortos]I'll take that gap of silence as a "yes."[/QUOTE]
Actually, I've to take a break to earn some money. Work pays for FKKs and other necessities of life. I have to give it priority on occassion.
I will reply in due course.
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Refused BBBJ?
When is the last time any of you where refused BBBJ in an FKK club. I think it would be interesting to know since I am having a discussion with someone about this. For me the answer is never. How bout you guys?
Thanks
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Need your help on planning my visit
Fellow Mongers,
I am visiting next wk for 5-6 days and the following is my plan:
Day 1 - Goldentime
Day 2 - Pussyclub
Day 3 - Trying to decide between FKK: Samya or VillaVertigo or PHG or LivingRoom
Day 4 - Trying to decide between PT: Dorsten, Selm, Beverly, Ceasars
Day 5 - Oase
Day 6 - Palace
Is FKK Dolce Vita in Dusseldorf worth it? (E80, E40, E40 scale for each service)?
Also, most importantly, pls weigh in with your recommendation for my Day 3 and Day 4. So confused with all the choices
(My criteria are young, fit, shapely girls. Lookers must. :-) Don't care about CIM, BB, anal, or anything experimental as everything covered due to disease risks. Also, low pref for Rumanians and Bulgarians based on service, so mostly avoidable except for the few gems once in a while. More keen on Hungarians, Czech, German, Italian, Latin American. Also, cleanliness and hygiene very high in consideration)
What would you do on day 3 and day 4 if you had these preferences?
Tx,
Tom
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[QUOTE=Tomm Boyytoyy]
Day 1 - Goldentime
Day 2 - Pussyclub
Day 3 - Trying to decide between FKK: Samya or VillaVertigo or PHG or LivingRoom
Day 4 - Trying to decide between PT: Dorsten, Selm, Beverly, Ceasars
Day 5 - Oase
Day 6 - Palace
Is FKK Dolce Vita in Dusseldorf worth it? (E80, E40, E40 scale for each service)?[/QUOTE]
No, it's not worth the cheaper price. Nowhere near the quality of the other clubs on your list.
[QUOTE=Tomm Boyytoyy]pls weigh in with your recommendation for my Day 3 and Day 4. [/QUOTE]
Day 3: I haven't been to VV or PHG recently, but based on your preferences you're probably better off at LR or Samya. If the weather is nice VV may be a better option because of the great outdoor decks and pool area.
Day 4: Depends on what day of the week it is. Both Beverly and Ceaser's are swinger clubs and usually weekends are better at these types of clubs. Caesar's is only open on weekends. Beverly can still be good on weekdays but YMMV. I would avoid Selm and Dorsten which have fallen on hard times. If you're in that area and determined to visit a PT on this day there are better options including Mettmann, Sara's in Iserlohn and Dolce Vita in Wagenfeld (although this is a trek to get to). Check out the PT thread for updated info.
Njoy..
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Mettmann, Samya, LR
[QUOTE=Iseeu]No, it's not worth the cheaper price. Nowhere near the quality of the other clubs on your list.
Day 3: I haven't been to VV or PHG recently, but based on your preferences you're probably better off at LR or Samya. If the weather is nice VV may be a better option because of the great outdoor decks and pool area.
Day 4: Depends on what day of the week it is. Both Beverly and Ceaser's are swinger clubs and usually weekends are better at these types of clubs. Caesar's is only open on weekends. Beverly can still be good on weekdays but YMMV. I would avoid Selm and Dorsten which have fallen on hard times. If you're in that area and determined to visit a PT on this day there are better options including Mettmann, Sara's in Iserlohn and Dolce Vita in Wagenfeld (although this is a trek to get to). Check out the PT thread for updated info.
Njoy..[/QUOTE]Thanks Iseeu for your fantastic info always.
OK, So I assume the girls at FKK Dolce Vita in Dusseldorf city suck (no pun intended) so will give that a skip based on what you said.
For Day 3, I still remain, confused.
Why Samya?
Why LR?
Why VV?
Not sure where to go still after reading your answer. I know they are all good, but for the best looking girls and for the best M: F ratio, which out of the three is a winner? Sorry, but 1 day is too precious LOL.
For Day 4, excellent info, and good to know current conditions. You recommend Mettmann instead. However, I was under the impression that the girls at Mettmann are mostly slightly out of shape, less than 7 or 8's in looks dept. And slighly older. (I only session girls aged below 35-40). Please share more on these items as far as Sara's and Mettmann goes. Also GangbangTeenies. Is it worth the trip there?
Thanks a million for all the help. It really helps plan. I hope to give good reports
Tom
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[QUOTE=Davidag]When is the last time any of you where refused BBBJ in an FKK club. I think it would be interesting to know since I am having a discussion with someone about this. For me the answer is never. How bout you guys?
Thanks[/QUOTE]
Never & I do not know anyone that has.
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[QUOTE=Tomm Boyytoyy]
OK, So I assume the girls at FKK Dolce Vita in Dusseldorf city suck (no pun intended) so will give that a skip based on what you said.
For Day 3, I still remain, confused.
Why Samya?
Why LR?
Why VV?
Thanks a million for all the help. It really helps plan. I hope to give good reports
Tom[/QUOTE]
I was Saturday in the Villa and was this time impressed because a lot of new and attractive girls were present. If you visit the Villa best is to do so in the evening most girls arrive between 16-18 hr. BBQ season has opened in the Villa and it has great outdoor facilities.
Thursday April 30 I was at the party in PHG. About 40 girls, yes a lot of Rumanian but try to find a club where you will not find a lot of Rumanian girls! Also in Happy BBQ season has opened.
LR has a wellness area that is OK but no outdoor pool. VV and PHG no kino and LR has a kino. The line-up in LR will meet your criteria although also there you will find a lot of Rumanian girls!
Clubs are all 3 OK but different. What you prefer? Difficult so say!
I would not recommend Dolce Vita and Samya.
Regards,
Big30
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[QUOTE=Iseeu]I think that you are confusing legitimate disagreements with personal attacks. Calling someone a "petty, pretentious ass" as you did on the Other FKK clubs thread is uncivil and has no place here, no matter how much you disagree with him or he's riled you up by his most recent response. That's a personal attack and is not part and parcel of legitimate disagreement.[/QUOTE]
ICU,
I stand by my statement in "Other FKK" thread. If your read the exchange regarding my der/die/das mistake on der Hase and the typo on Ostereier, a fair case could me made he was being petty. I also thought given the context, referring to him as pretentious ass was appropriate. I could have chosen stronger language such as "asshole" or "prick", but I settled on ass as I regarded it as more measured and appropriate. We should not shy away from calling a spade a spade. Hell, lots of forum members advocate telling the girls to fuck off for the most minor infractions. I don't see why calling Jackyo an ass when he is acting like one is inappropriate.
I think a case can be made that your outrage at personal attacks is somewhat selective. I don't remember you weighing in that the following post was inappropriate, even though he appeared to be expressing the desire that I should die via suffocation during masterbation.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=823439&postcount=3529[/url]
Not that I want to get into cateloging every insult to determine if it rises to the level of personal attack. I just think some consistency is required if you want the role of self appointed fourm police.
Regards,
EL
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[QUOTE=Davidag]When is the last time any of you where refused BBBJ in an FKK club. I think it would be interesting to know since I am having a discussion with someone about this. For me the answer is never. How bout you guys?
Thanks[/QUOTE]
I was with Mehnet (or something like that name), a tall, 21 year-old brunette Turkish girl with a strking face, in Samya last week. I was taken aback when she put on a condom to start fellatio and asked her why. She said that it was not safe for her. I let it pass because I still wanted to fuck her because of her face. Additionally, she had only been in the business 3 weeks (according to her) so maybe she will change with more experience. Still, it was a good session, although I would have extended to an hour if she had done the BBBJ.
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Fondling, cuddling, etc
In Las Vegas strip clubs, women come and sit on your lap, put their arm around you, try to charm you and carry on a conversation. You can fondle, cuddle, or just hold them while chatting for 5.10 minutes before deciding on whether you want a lap dance.
Does this hold true for FKK's and PT's? At FKK's do you have the opportunity to caress each others bodies (sans genitals) and talk without it tantamounting to commitment. Only if chemistry picks up in 10 mins then go further? Most reports seem to talk about chemistry building but does that happen as you are seated next to each other on a couch, or she is on your lap? Does her sitting on your lap mean that you have committed a session?
How about PT's where the girls want to move from one to the other since they are incentivized on volume. Do they typically take 10-15 minutes "flirting" before a session, with the expectation that the flirting may or may not lead to a session?
Sorry, but flirting is an intimate part of making the whole experience seamless for some of us. And flirting and having the ability to say no after 10 minutes if one senses a porkie that going to end in disaster anyways 30 mins later.
Tx,
Tom
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Anyone been to Termingirls
Has anyone been to Termingirls, done a search nothing much recent on the threads regarding this place. I am thinking to visit as I have 5 and half hour transit at Dusseldorf and this place is near by the airport anyone have any views on this place
Thanks
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[QUOTE=Westbam]Has anyone been to Termingirls, done a search nothing much recent on the threads regarding this place. I am thinking to visit as I have 5 and half hour transit at Dusseldorf and this place is near by the airport anyone have any views on this place
Thanks[/QUOTE]
Check the Duesseldorf section, where Dedalus reviewed the place a couple of months ago.
Ortos
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[QUOTE=Tomm Boyytoyy]Sorry, but flirting is an intimate part of making the whole experience seamless for some of us. And flirting and having the ability to say no after 10 minutes if one senses a porkie that going to end in disaster anyways 30 mins later.[/QUOTE]
Sitting together flirting and talking - sure, and even after 10 min you can decide if you wanna take her to a room or not. But don't kiss her, don't let her take your dick into her mouth, don't let her kiss you, don't put your hands in places they shouldn't be. If that happens - you should book her.
HB
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[QUOTE=Davidag]When is the last time any of you where refused BBBJ in an FKK club. I think it would be interesting to know since I am having a discussion with someone about this. For me the answer is never. How bout you guys?
Thanks[/QUOTE]
A lady friend of mine was of the opinion that BBBJ was illegal in Germany. She had been warned that the police sometimes go undercover asking girls for the said service then prosecute if it is offered. But this may have been a tactic to scare her off offering the service and reduce her popularity in the house.
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Flirting..
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]Sitting together flirting and talking - sure, and even after 10 min you can decide if you wanna take her to a room or not. But don't kiss her, don't let her take your dick into her mouth, don't let her kiss you, don't put your hands in places they shouldn't be. If that happens - you should book her.
HB[/QUOTE]
Not true I am afraid. You can kiss, if she lets you. Then afterwards you can not book her and she will often take that in good humour. Worst case is she gets pissed off, but nothing she can do. (Did she initiate it?). You can touch (but normal polite / sociable rules do apply). It is best not to get too intimate with that as its something that can become intimately sexual... your judgement applies and your individual "cheekiness" i.e. do you have the personality to carry it off?
Once your dick is in her mouth, she gets the BBBJ fee at least (but in practicality the 50 is hers, you may as well fuck her). She is booked.
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[QUOTE=Mike De H]Not true I am afraid. You can kiss, if she lets you. Then afterwards you can not book her and she will often take that in good humour. Worst case is she gets pissed off, but nothing she can do.[/QUOTE]
Not the way I am handling this in the last years. I don't think it's fair to kiss a girl on a couch and then not book her. If kissing is DFK or at least real kissing, I am not talking about a kiss on her cheek.
HB
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Respect is good
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]I don't think it's fair to kiss a girl on a couch and then not book her.HB[/QUOTE]
Thats your preference and absolutely fine. Its nice to see that guests treat the girls with some respect.
My thoughts are though, that if she won't leave you alone, or if she forces it on you, wont take no for an answer, or you are a Stamguest and have an arrangement.... all these are fine.
However, no BJ or Sex = no contract is the main point I was trying to make.
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The premium for BBBJ versus CBJ
Theme: The premium for BBBJ versus CBJ
[QUOTE=Mike De H]
Once your dick is in her mouth, she gets the BBBJ fee at least (but in practicality the 50 is hers, you may as well fuck her). She is booked.[/QUOTE]
Thank you Mike De H for bringing this issue on the premium pricing in FKKs for BBBJ service.
My understanding, particularly in Hessen or Frankfurt that the Red Light District girls charge €30 for suck and fuck where the suck is covered with a condom.
In a FKK the suck and fuck is €50 standard session where the blowjob is uncovered.
This suggests that the implied margin or premium for BBBJ is €20.
So is this €20 is what you refer to as the "BBBJ fee". Ja?
Cheers,
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[QUOTE=Basketcase]In a FKK the suck and fuck is €50 standard session where the blowjob is uncovered.
This suggests that the implied margin or premium for BBBJ is €20.[/QUOTE]Remember there are quite a few smaller clubs outside the big three in Hessen and NRW where BBBJ is extra (usually EUR 25 plus). I've heard this is the case in Leipzig and Munich, and I know it is in Saarbrücken. Others for sure too.
I have been refused BBBJ in a couple of clubs (Artemis for example). I offered to clean my dick, and the answer was still "no". :-) :-) Girl's choice.
And then there's Bavaria....., where it is better to wait until you're in the room to discuss, and definitely to avoid speaking with a strong Bavarian polizeilichen accent.
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[QUOTE=Tomm Boyytoyy]In Las Vegas strip clubs, women come and sit on your lap, put their arm around you, try to charm you and carry on a conversation. You can fondle, cuddle, or just hold them while chatting for 5.10 minutes before deciding on whether you want a lap dance.
Does this hold true for FKK's and PT's? At FKK's do you have the opportunity to caress each others bodies (sans genitals) and talk without it tantamounting to commitment. Only if chemistry picks up in 10 mins then go further? Most reports seem to talk about chemistry building but does that happen as you are seated next to each other on a couch, or she is on your lap? Does her sitting on your lap mean that you have committed a session?
How about PT's where the girls want to move from one to the other since they are incentivized on volume. Do they typically take 10-15 minutes "flirting" before a session, with the expectation that the flirting may or may not lead to a session?
Sorry, but flirting is an intimate part of making the whole experience seamless for some of us. And flirting and having the ability to say no after 10 minutes if one senses a porkie that going to end in disaster anyways 30 mins later.
Tx,
Tom[/QUOTE]
Flirting with a babe is fine just as long as you are clear before you head to the room that she does not charge you for the couch time.
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[QUOTE=Toscana]Your response to my post 3889 was polite, for which thanks, but just for the record, Big30 got it completely right, and you indeed got it wrong.
I never said that I find your posts annoying.
I never said that I do not want you to post responses to Jackyo.
Please do me the courtesy of reading my post 3889 again. I thought carefully about what I wrote.
I do say that I find, after a bit of searching, that you seem to be the only person to object to Jackyo's posts. Quite a few forum colleagues have in contrast thanked him for his points. It can happen that he irritates you (I by no means agree with everything he says, but we seem to rub along fine, all is OK). I therefore suggested that you might find it more profitable (for all of us?), if you, who clearly are disturbed by his posts, simply ignore them.
I have buttoned a couple of posters who annoy me, and you know, it works. :-) (But I would add that I wouldn't dream - based on my judgement of your respective contributions - of buttoning either you or Jackyo.)[/QUOTE]
Thank you for your reply.
Everyone is entitled to his opinion. You have stated yours, now here is mine.
I reread you original post as well as this one. I'd like to clear up some misconceptions. First of all, Jackyo's posts do not disturb me. I post replies when he posts misinformation such as posts disparaging big clubs in the endless big clubs vs. small clubs debates as a "truth squad" function, mostly for the benefit of the newbees. Another area of misinformation I feel compelled to correct is statements that ability to speak German will overcome racial exlusion policies at some clubs.
Jackyo tends to be a prolific poster in other forums such as Partytreffs and clubs like Blue Note where I have no experience. I don't ever reply to those posts as I have no experience or knowledge to contribute. So no, his posts do not bother me.
If the point of your post was genuine concern that I was bothered by Jackyo's posts, then I would agree that your suggestion was appropriate. However, I would point you to your own statement which seems to indicate you would prefer I button Jackyo so you don't have to be subjected to my repetetive replies:
[QUOTE=Toscana]I therefore suggested that you might find it more profitable (for all of us?), if you, who clearly are disturbed by his posts, simply ignore them. [/QUOTE]
Your wording "for all of us?" seems to indicate you would prefer I button him so you don't have to read my replies. I contend that the appropriate response under that circumstance is for you to button me. I can't be held responsible for what bothers you.
Lastly, regarding your statement that you could not find any posters objecting to his posts, submitted for your approval:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=852816&postcount=3856[/url]
Took me all of 30 seconds of searching. I'm sure I could find more if I put some time into it. But I think your real point you are trying to make is that Jackyo is more popular than I am. That is fine with me if it is true. My purposes in posting is to share information, not to win a popularity contest.
Regards,
EL
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[QUOTE=Basketcase]My understanding, particularly in Hessen or Frankfurt that the Red Light District girls charge €30 for suck and fuck where the suck is covered with a condom.[/QUOTE]
True. But as a standard you won't get more then 15 minutes and no kissing. So the comparison is "Äpfel mit Birnen". ;-)
[QUOTE=Basketcase]This suggests that the implied margin or premium for BBBJ is €20.[/QUOTE]
Not quite, as mentioned above. In the RLD in FMM (Bahnhofsviertel) you will find girls that accept 50 EUR for a session incl. BBBJ, but no DFK. You will also find girls that do BBBJ, DFK, a 30 min session and more for 25 EUR. And you can have a good BBBJ and come into her mouth for 30 EUR, you just have to find these girls, but they do exist.
HB
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[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]However, I would point you to your own statement which seems to indicate you would prefer I button Jackyo so you don't have to be subjected to my repetetive replies.[/QUOTE]No, no, on the contrary. You are seeing shadows here. [QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]Your wording "for all of us?" seems to indicate you would prefer I button him so you don't have to read my replies. I contend that the appropriate response under that circumstance is for you to button me.[/QUOTE]No, that would do me no good as I would not be able to read your reports.
Notwithstanding Ortos's acknowledged objection, I do remember not few forumers expressing thanks for contributions made by J., especially those new to the scene who overcame their uncertainties about visiting Germany and the FKKs and whose many questions Jackyo answered with much more patience than I could ever muster.
I don't think even you believe you will change his contribution style. My forum experience is that his more probable reaction would be "fuck that, I'll read the forum, but I'll be buggered if I'm going to contribute any more." Now, that may suit you (:-)), but I submit that it would not suit many forum colleagues who have appreciated his input in the past, and may just do so in the future. I've seen forums die, simply because no one posts any more. If I felt my contributions were not appreciated and were submitted to, let us say, repetitive analysis, I would simply desist, full stop. We have thousands of non-contributing lurkers as it is. Do we want more? If everyone retreated, it wouldn't be much fun for you to log in each day to read your own reports and BC's lists. :-) :-)
I'm not going to pursue this any more, because the danger to me seems that I will appear to be patronizing Jackyo, which is as undeserved as it is unintentional. He's made his own judgments, I guess.
We can chew the cud on this further some time as we rest the towels between sessions, at some club we both like but wouldn't want to push on this forum. ;-)
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Come back, JackyO! Don't walk towards the light...!
[QUOTE=Toscana]Notwithstanding Ortos's acknowledged objection, I do remember not few forumers expressing thanks for contributions made by J., especially those new to the scene who overcame their uncertainties about visiting Germany and the FKKs and whose many questions Jackyo answered with much more patience than I could ever muster.
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Thanks, Tosc, for your very clear and well-argued position, one that I and I'm sure many others respect and agree with. Just a point of clarification, if I may:
You refer to my "acknowledged objection." I wish to stress that I was objecting to some specific things JackyO wrote or implied, but not at all to JackyO personally or his posting style. I love the guy and very much respect his right to post and I hope he will never stop. Thus I will state here categorically that I find JackyO's posts amongst the best and most valuable on the forum. Sure I may not agree with everything he or even EL writes, but I certainly never, ever objected to him posting his views. Indeed, if I read EL's recent posts, I don't think even he objects to JackyO posting. But let me not put words in anybody else's mouth. I'll just speak for myself: Both J and EL are two supreme leaders of our cause here, they are just on opposite sides of the spectrum, kind of like too orators arguing opposing views. I wrote before that I personally enjoyed their back-and-forth banter and it didn't bother me at all and I hoped it would continue. But that is just me, and I know some other guys here are bored of it, or whatever.
At the same time I respect and applaud guys like EL who take this hobby passionately and take time and effort to write great reports. Like a true scholarly professor, he has an obsession with accruacy and detail and therefore tries to call people out if he thinks there is weakness in the info posted. Fair enough.
As to your last point below: I would really love to see you and EL "resting your towels between sessions..." (but please guys, don't let me catch you holding hands under those towels, okay?) in some club. Why not make it happen at Oase, so me and JackyO can come along and we can all sing the Kumbaya song together? What do you say, Jacky? I'll buy your Eintritt to Oase and we can hang in the Kino together. Then we'll go up to Bernd's zusammen and you can buy my Eintritt. Deal?
Ortos
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[QUOTE=Toscana]
I don't think even you believe you will change his contribution style. My forum experience is that his more probable reaction would be "fuck that, I'll read the forum, but I'll be buggered if I'm going to contribute any more." Now, that may suit you (:-)), but I submit that it would not suit many forum colleagues who have appreciated his input in the past, and may just do so in the future. I've seen forums die, simply because no one posts any more. If I felt my contributions were not appreciated and were submitted to, let us say, repetitive analysis, I would simply desist, full stop. We have thousands of non-contributing lurkers as it is. Do we want more? If everyone retreated, it wouldn't be much fun for you to log in each day to read your own reports and BC's lists. :-) :-)
I'm not going to pursue this any more, because the danger to me seems that I will appear to be patronizing Jackyo, which is as undeserved as it is unintentional. He's made his own judgments, I guess.
We can chew the cud on this further some time as we rest the towels between sessions, at some club we both like but wouldn't want to push on this forum. ;-)[/QUOTE]
Hey Tosc,
At the risk patronizing YOU, I must send out an open compliment on not only your elegant and entertaining (read: often gut-bustin' hilarious!) style of writing, but also your even-keeled sensibility. Quite the diplomatic scribe, you are.
Personally I have always avoided the "button" option for purely selfish reasons. Even those who on occasion antagonize and annoy me (admittedly I'm easily antagonized and annoyed) often provide entertaining reviews and valued information. Like you, I'm not keen on ignoring this truth.
Also, while I might scratch my head at the dearth of civility when it comes to respectful disagreements, I myself have bags of respect for a person who has taken the time and effort to get his head in and around a foreign culture and language apart from his own. Clearly both Jackyo and EL have done this on a pretty high level. Ironical, isn't it?
J's reports on this and other boards have been quite valuable to me and others for a while now. Also, even though we do not know each other apart from our "board personalities" he and I are mostly in agreement on what the idea FKK experience ought to be.
EL's reports are no less informative and very current, and while our opinions may occasionally differ on a particular club's quality, the information that he provides in his reports is quite accurate and, like a particular US news network, “fair and balanced.” They are also certainly not without their entertainment value. Bit like Eugene O'Neill on amphetamines ;-))
Personalities can clash, in cyberspace as well as in real life. That these two have strong disagreements has been made all too clear, and frankly I find that that drum has been banged on long enough. By and large, I suspect that “agreeing to disagree” not only in theory, but also in practice would be helpful in this particular case. Given the tone of such “exchanges” a rush to offer a contrary argument to one or the other’s viewpoint seems seldom more than antagonizing; degenerating to the point that no helpful or fruitful exchange of ideas takes place. I’m not above a game of “cutting” or “the dozens” myself, but at some point it just gets old.
One another note, Tosc: I often think back with great hilarity on that visit you and “George” made to Finca some years back. I keep wondering if “George’s” successor might join you on a club tour one day. Or maybe even “Sarah”. She’s probably better subject material.
Cheerio,
Dedalus
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[QUOTE=Dedalus]One another note, Tosc: I often think back with great hilarity on that visit you and “George” made to Finca some years back. I keep wondering if “George’s” successor might join you on a club tour one day. Or maybe even “Sarah”. She’s probably better subject material.[/QUOTE]Sarah's a sensational idea! I've not been thinking laterally enough. We'll have Cordelia take her to World, and set her in among the younger Romanians and Bulgarians. Endless, endless bitching possibilities ... LOL.
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I am the cheapest Mongerer!
[QUOTE=Sportsman]So basically, it costs around 200€ to have someone make all the arrangements and to drive you around. If that’s worth it to you, so be it. I never would have done it. Then again, I am a cheap bastard and don’t need any hand holding.[/QUOTE]Sportsman you might be cheap, but I am surely the cheapest monger on this forum.
To think that Dolphin12 spent €800 which didn't include his flight or woman fees. Shock Horror!! Now compare that with my last trip, where I spent 2 days in Pussy club Wuppertal, had around 20 sessions with 15 women, and 7 orgasms in the 2 days:
Flight: €80
Hotel: €80
Club : €200
Trains:€20
Meals: €30
Total: €410
€410 for 20 sessions is good value I think!
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[QUOTE=Wan King]Sportsman you might be cheap, but I am surely the cheapest monger on this forum.
To think that Dolphin12 spent €800 which didn't include his flight or woman fees. Shock Horror!! Now compare that with my last trip, where I spent 2 days in Pussy club Wuppertal, had around 20 sessions with 15 women, and 7 orgasms in the 2 days:
Flight: €80
Hotel: €80
Club : €200
Trains:€20
Meals: €30
Total: €410
€410 for 20 sessions is good value I think![/QUOTE]Wow, that is good economy right there. And 20 sessions in 2 days, I'm stunned.
My last trip (2 days) was something like:
Flight: €120
Hotel: €190
Club: €515
Trains: €15
Meals: €20
Total: €860
And that was with 6 sessions over three days. 3 x entrance fee at the club etc.
Interesting to see what other guys spend...
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Qulaity of girls
The abundance of choice is so overwhelming. It is very difficult to tell what the girls look like and how they compare from club to club. Me and my friend are going to be there next week. Can exp. Mongers tell us what order you would rate the girls at the following clubs? Face look?
Body look?
Samya, bernds, pussyclub wuppertal, airport pauschal, dorsten, willich, living room.
In particular, I really want to compare face/body looks between bernds lineup and pussyclub. Who has the better looking babes in general?
(Skillswise I know Bernds is five star, so don't take that into account for this rating)
Anyone willing to help a newbie?
Tx,
Tom
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Flatrate-Sex Clubs, all Inclusiv for 70-99€
[QUOTE=Breadman]Its been mentioned before that the girls are seeing less business, guys are going to the room less than before. And we know alot of clubs have opened 'sister' clubs when the economy was booming...so operating costs have gone up for some clubs. And some brand new clubs like Ville Vertigo have opened with less business than they hoped for...
So have to wonder, will be seeing the closing or selling of some clubs in the near future?
I also want to add that I talked to a guy at one of the clubs who was getting the numbers of the girls who were interested in working for him at an incall location. Wonder how many more guys are trying to recruit? Have to think though, if guys are being tight with their money...how many will fork out 200 euro's to see an escort?[/QUOTE]There is a new class of Clubs that offer Flatrate-Sex everything included. Prices go from 70-99€ depending on the daytime. You can have as much sex with as many of the women as you want. Sometimes even food and alcoholic beverages are included in the price, also Sauna and use of some Wellness-Facilities. In the most well known club like this, near Heidelberg, they pride themselves in that there is no extra charge for anything, from what I was able to research, the girls are all 18-19 and most of them from Romania.
So maybe this is an answer to the above question. I have a feeling that the established bigger FKK Clubs are going to have to compete with this.
There is a serious economic crisis going on, I think it will get much worse before it gets better, also in 2010 and 2011. One of the effects is that many younger women who are having problems making enough money to survive and/or loose their jobs because of the economic depression are resulting to moonlighting Part-time to get some extra cash. However the potential buyers have less money themselves for the same reasons and can only spend much less, if anything at all, for this kind of fun. That drives prices down and creates a buyers market for sex services.
On a side note:
I was reading a Report of one of the distinguished members of the forum the other day who was writing about the GFE sex he had with a young women at one of the big three Frankfurt FKK-Clubs, he wrote she was a single mother with 2 kids trying to make some extra money on a weekend like this. I was thinking to myself he could easily have very many Girlfriends like this for free, I don't think its even a money issue.
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Flatrate clubs
[QUOTE=Peter 989]There is a new class of Clubs that offer Flatrate-Sex everything included. Prices go from 70-99€ depending on the daytime. You can have as much sex with as many of the women as you want. Sometimes even food and alcoholic beverages are included in the price, also Sauna and use of some Wellness-Facilities. In the most well known club like this, near Heidelberg, they pride themselves in that there is no extra charge for anything, from what I was able to research, the girls are all 18-19 and most of them from Romania.[/QUOTE]
Umm, they're called Partytreffs, are by no means a new phenomenom and there's a whole section of this forum right next door called German Partytreffs where you can read all about them.
I'm assuming from your post that you've never actually been at one, because you impart some news that every PT goer knows, and is all found on the PT thread.
* Yes, most of them serve drinks and food which are usually not on the same level as the FKK clubs.
* Yes, some have sauna and wellness facilities, which are also usually not on the same level as the big FKK clubs, and these too are included in the price.
* Yes, currently, most of the providers in most of the German PT clubs are Romanian.
I would have let all of that pass but you also impart some info which is incorrect and may well be misleading to others:
* That 69€ price is a sign of the deperation of some of these clubs' owners to attract clients during these trying economic times. If this tactic works, and it does sometimes attract alot more clients, it does not mean that there will be more SP to service the greater inflow of customers, since the club is making less per customer and can't afford to add women at the same ratio as the increase in customers. It also certainly means that the SP that are there are the lowest of the low in the food chain. You get what you pay for.
* The upper end prices actually go up to 199€ (PT Willich). It doesn't mean that you're getting better women or service at those prices.
* Pussy Club Heidelberg, which is a relatively new club and part of a chain of clubs run by the same management springing up around Germany (so far, also in Wuppertal and Berlin with a Stuttgart club due to open soon soon) is by no means the most well known of the PT clubs, in fact it's relatively unknown compared to clubs like Mettmann, Dolce Vita, Traumland and Dorsten.
* They can't really take pride "[i]...in that there is no extra charge for anything[/i]" since that is the business model by which [b]all[/b] PT's operate.
* They may say that all of the girls are 18-19 and mostly post pictures on the website of Romanian spinners, but that's not the reality. There will be some, but there will also be some older and more size- challenged providers.
I encourage you to actually visit some PT's and then report from your own first hand knowledge. Until then, please intro your posts like these by disclosing that such information is culled from other sources and sites and not based on your own actual experience.
[QUOTE=Peter 989]So maybe this is an answer to the above question. I have a [b]feeling[/b] that the established bigger FKK Clubs are going to have to compete with this. [/QUOTE]
And based on what information did you get this [b]feeling[/b] and what expertise do you have in this field to make such an educated analysis and tell us about it?
PT's have been around for awhile and the established FKK clubs have been competing against them all of that time, so you're not discovering something new here. What you've obviously missed, since you're not posting from hard data but from your "[i]feelings[/i]" and research on the internet, is that they're offering a very different product, as generally, you can't compare the SP looks or the service that one gets at a PT to what one gets at a good FKK. There are exceptions to this rule, and the service at a PT like Mettmann or Dolce Vita can be comparable to (actually the service provided at Mettman very often exceeds) the level of service at some FKK's.
It is a low cost alternative if you want to spend more than an hour at a club and have more than 1 session without having to fork over 200€ for entrance and sessions. There is a market for that, but it's a soft market. So even if the PT's draw some new business from ex-FKK customers down on their luck, they are also badly suffering, since PT's are mostly located in Northern Germany which has been hit the hardest economically, and the first ones to suffer in times of economic duress are the working stiffs, who have traditionally made up the main customer base for PT's. To cut expenses, some of these clubs now limit the amount of time that you can spend in the club or the amount of sessions that you can do, and are basically reneging on their own "All you can eat" promise.
The PT model by default is offering an inferior product at a cheaper price, since most of the young, pretty, good providers, won't work for sweatshop wages. It's also a very difficult one to manage. Success depends on finding the right location, attracting a strong stable of efficient providers, and managing both properly to ensure on a day to day and hour by hour basis that customers are leaving with a positive experience. It sounds simpler apparently than it really is. Mettmann and Dolce Vita get it right and stay open, while many PT clubs reach a peak which they find hard to maintain over time, and then begin the slow downhill trajectory till they finally lose their clientele and close. There's always a new PT club reaching it's peak just then and so the cycle continues.
In the end, PT clubs are competing against other PT clubs for that niche market and not against FKK clubs which operate in a different niche.
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[QUOTE=Iseeu]Umm, they're called Partytreffs, are by no means a new phenomenom and there's a whole section of this forum right next door called German Partytreffs where you can read all about them.
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Hey Isseu,
Actually Peter is probably referring to this type of club:
[url]http://www.pussy-club.eu/[/url]
The one in Heidelberg use to be the discountsexladies(dot)de club. Never went there myself, but I know a guy who said the quality ranged from two-bagger to pretty darn smokin' hot.
If time allows, then I might stop by the Heidelberg club (I hear that it is pretty seedy) and see what's what.
Cheers,
Dedalus
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[QUOTE=Dedalus]Hey Isseu,
Actually Peter is probably referring to this type of club:
[url]http://www.pussy-club.eu/[/url]
The one in Heidelberg use to be the discountsexladies(dot)de club. Never went there myself, but I know a guy who said the quality ranged from two-bagger to pretty darn smokin' hot.
If time allows, then I might stop by the Heidelberg club (I hear that it is pretty seedy) and see what's what.
Cheers,
Dedalus[/QUOTE]
Yes, I know. That's the website for the Pussy Club party treff chain that I referred to in my post, and which PC Heidelberg belongs to.
Yes, slightly seedy especially in comparison to most FKK's. There are posts on it on the Other PTs thread.
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[QUOTE=Iseeu]Yes, I know. That's the website for the Pussy Club party treff chain that I referred to in my post, and which PC Heidelberg belongs to.
Yes, slightly seedy especially in comparison to most FKK's. There are posts on it on the Other PTs thread.[/QUOTE]
Hey Isseu,
Sorry man. I seemed to have missed that bullet-point in your post. Brain-fart or Mulligan is what what I think they call it.
However regarding this topic:
Firstly I'm not so well versed in the PT scene. Never really held that much interest for me. Also, I have yet to personally visit one of these new, so-called "Flat-rate" clubs that I have been hearing about from a few players and reading about on the German boards. I want to make that clear at the outset so that no one will confuse any statements I make with those of an expert.
I was actually under the impression from my readings and discussions that there is a bit of a difference between the PT clubs and the Flat-rate clubs.
For one thing, the majority, if not all of the FR club workers are not ameteurs. This ain't so at most PTs, right?
I hear that the Heidelberg club has actually undergone some FKK-like renovations. The sauna is supposed to be top-notch now. Also, there are some ex-FKK gals either working as SPs or involved in the management.
What seems like a pretty sweet deal at the Heidelberg Club (70/100 EUR entrance and all you can drink/boff) seems to also be a bit of a problem. Visitors have reported that often the guys outnumber the gals, and grabbing the better looking ones is a tough prospect. Also few reports that I have read or heard describe the sessions as anything other than middle-of-the road, and more often far below club-standard.
Also, it seems the the PT scene is kind of a part of the German sexual sub-culture, whereas these "new" Flat-rate places are more of a reaction to economic times, and a cheaper alternative to the sauna and FKK clubs. I suppose that the PTs are as well, but I do not think that this is the goal of the PTs. More along the alternative lifestyle or swinger mode.
Also it would seem that the posters on the German boards categorize these Flatrates separate from the PTs and more of a "distant, and less intelligent cousin" of the FKK and Sauna clubs.
I'd be very interested in yours (and other's) take on this. I know that you have a better handle on the PT scene than most, and certainly than myself.
Cheers,
Dedalus
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3 types of Partytreff club
[QUOTE=Dedalus]Also, it seems the the PT scene is kind of a part of the German sexual sub-culture, whereas these "new" Flat-rate places are more of a reaction to economic times, and a cheaper alternative to the sauna and FKK clubs. I suppose that the PTs are as well, but I do not think that this is the goal of the PTs. More along the alternative lifestyle or swinger mode.
I'd be very interested in yours (and other's) take on this. I know that you have a better handle on the PT scene than most, and certainly than myself.[/QUOTE]Partytreff clubs now fall under three different types of sex club from what I know. What’s common to all is that they only charge entry price and all sexual services, food and drink are then included in the price.
1) Swingers clubs with hired in women.
Examples are Beverly, Mettmann and Gelsenkirchen, but take note that while Beverly is a swingers club with hired in women, Mettmann and Gelsenkirchen are much more focused on the hired in women, and just have a few swinging couples in attendance, and more so at the weekend. Also each club has its own individual differences. The mettmann women seem to take genuine pleasure in their work, while the Beverly hired in women seem to be there just for the buck.
2) Clubs with mostly Eastern European girls in an open sex environment
Examples are Dorsten, MG, Dolcevita and the Pussy club chain. The sex usually happens on a large bed with several couples, or in rooms that have no doors so voyeurs can get their kicks. Certainly in Pussy club Wuppertal all sessions happen in public, so don’t go their if you want privacy. The majority of partytreffs fall into this category.
3) Clubs that offer sessions in completely private rooms. These clubs are also known as pauschalclubs.
Examples are Airport, Pittstop and Willich. This type of club suits the guy who wants his sex behind closed doors, but who also doesn’t want to pay for each session like in an FKK/Sauna club.
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FKKs versus Partytreffs (for newbies)
I know there are many newbies reading who maybe wondering whether to visit an FKK or a Partytreff, so with that in mind I’ll list the advantages and disadvantages of both.
FKKs have a fixed entry price of usually €50 to €75 and then you usually pay €50 per ½ hour of sex with the girl.
Partytreffs charge a flat rate fee of between €100 - €150 and that includes limitless and often public sex for the day. (Its not limitless in all clubs, but it is many)
FKK Advantages:
Big selection of women (50+ is average)
Many girls naked
Many real hotties
Better sex
Better wellness facilities
More luxurious
Better Food
Better chance to socialise with ISGers
FKK Disadvantages:
Entry price doesnt include sex
Pay for every session
Girls up selling during the session (not always)
Girls trying to con you (not always)
Watching the clock
Partytreff Advantages:
Pay one price
Limitless sex
Food, drink included
That lovely feeling of not having to pay anymore money
Not having to watch the clock
Public sex
Porn star shows seem more regular in the PT scene
Partytreff Disadvantages:
Ugly women (not always)
Short sessions (not always)
Mechanical sex (not always)
Basic facilities (not always)
If you are totally into really hot women, and simply do not want to fuck any dogs well then stick to FKK clubs. But if you are broke (like me) and you want lots of sex and don’t mind fucking some dogs then consider Partytreff clubs. Bear in mind there are a good selection of hotties in many PT clubs too.
Also if you want to spend a lot of time fucking a lot of different women in an FKK you will need deep pockets. In a PT club I will often have around 12 session in a day, and maybe 5 cums. 12 sessions in an FKK club would cost €600 minimum, so along with entry the bill would be close to €700, and thats a lot more than the €100 - €150 I will spend in the PT club.
What really bugs me about many FKK clubs, especially the Frankfurt ones is that women are constantly trying to sell themselves and it can get very tiring constantly saying “NO” to the girls you are not interested in. Also some women try to upsell you in the room, and you have to watch the clock so as not to pay extra for extended time if you do go a few minutes over the allocated time. But if you are the type of guy who likes to hang out with other English speakers, spend most of the day looking at the girls, and just have a few sessions in the day then FKKs might be for you. Also if you only have a few hours then FKKs might be your best bet.
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great summaries
Wow. Great summaries. You should consider adding this to the FAQs.
Up to date with the new types of clubs opening up.
FYI, Today Airport Pauschal opens in Bochum! I want to try it out in the near future.
PT
[QUOTE=Wan King]Partytreff clubs now fall under three different types of sex club from what I know. What’s common to all is that they only charge entry price and all sexual services, food and drink are then included in the price.
1) Swingers clubs with hired in women.
Examples are Beverly, Mettmann and Gelsenkirchen, but take note that while Beverly is a swingers club with hired in women, Mettmann and Gelsenkirchen are much more focused on the hired in women, and just have a few swinging couples in attendance, and more so at the weekend. Also each club has its own individual differences. The mettmann women seem to take genuine pleasure in their work, while the Beverly hired in women seem to be there just for the buck.
2) Clubs with mostly Eastern European girls in an open sex environment
Examples are Dorsten, MG, Dolcevita and the Pussy club chain. The sex usually happens on a large bed with several couples, or in rooms that have no doors so voyeurs can get their kicks. Certainly in Pussy club Wuppertal all sessions happen in public, so don’t go their if you want privacy. The majority of partytreffs fall into this category.
3) Clubs that offer sessions in completely private rooms. These clubs are also known as pauschalclubs.
Examples are Airport, Pittstop and Willich. This type of club suits the guy who wants his sex behind closed doors, but who also doesn’t want to pay for each session like in an FKK/Sauna club.
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Many thanks to Wan King for the really good summary of differences between the FKKs and Partytreffs.
I cannot offer anything on the Partytreffs.
A few words of caution on the FKK summary, so that first-timers are not disappointed.
1) You will often get 50+ girls at the Big3 Hessen clubs, at Goldentime in Bruggen and Artemis in Berlin. Also possible at PHG in Nordrhein-Westfalen, I have heard, and ColA in Augsburg, perhaps others I've forgotten. But in the large majority of FKKs there are fewer girls. I would say many clubs rarely see more than 20.
2) The average age of the girls at these clubs tends to be slightly higher than at the big ones. There will probably be good looking ones and fine service-providers at almost all clubs though.
3) The plus side is that many of the disadvantages that WK rightly speaks of are less prevalent at the smaller local clubs, which are generally good at maintaining standards. Less boorish upselling, fewer attempts at cheating, less watching the clock. (That said, fear of possible exploitation should never be a reason not to go to any FKK IMHO, it's rare you will suffer badly if you read the forum and prepare yourself in thought beforehand.)
Other than that I would say that WK's summary is valuable indeed for choosing whether you want the style / costs of an FKK or a Partytreff.
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They're all PT's
[QUOTE=Dedalus]I was actually under the impression from my readings and discussions that there is a bit of a difference between the PT clubs and the Flat-rate clubs. For one thing, the majority, if not all of the FR club workers are not ameteurs. This ain't so at most PTs, right?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Dedalus]Also, it seems the the PT scene is kind of a part of the German sexual sub-culture, whereas these "new" Flat-rate places are more of a reaction to economic times, and a cheaper alternative to the sauna and FKK clubs. I suppose that the PTs are as well, but I do not think that this is the goal of the PTs. More along the alternative lifestyle or swinger mode.
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It's a matter of semantics. On this board "party treff" is more or less synonomous with "flat rate" all you can eat clubs even though that's not what it meant when it started.
But you're right; In the past, a partytreff was a club that afforded everybody a place to play. It was more or less a swinger club, attracting a local crowd of regulars with an anything goes, "party" atmosphere, hence the name. It was a place where a single or married women, wanting to get it on with horny single guys without the added drama that is sometimes part of the swinger lifetsyle, could still feeel comfortable in this controlled atmosphere. This, as opposed to the traditional swinger clubs which did not allow single men to join in the fun.
Today, you won't find many of these around. As WK has already described there are very few PT's today where you will see ever see amateurs and sightings of single or maried women are a rare occurrence. While I have seen them elsewhere including Party Inn, PartyKreis Airport Frankfurt, and Selm, Mettmann is the most famous for this. Beverly which WK also mentioned is not really a partytreff. It is actually a swingertreff, i.e. a swinger club which has parties, allows singles to prticipate, and also has some "house" woman who according to the club management are just horny amateurs and not on the payroll. But the majority of the women there are amateurs as you would expect in any swinger club.
Summing up:
1) PT used to be a type of swinger club for amateur singles and couples.
2) Not anymore. All PT's are P4P, and it is rare to find a woman who is not on the payroll.
3) With rare exceptions, all PT clubs have flat rate pricing. All flat rate clubs function as PT's. Hence the equation: PT= flat rate club
4) The mission of PT today, and has been for a long time, is to be a low cost option not some trend in alternative lifestyles.
5) The "new" flat rate clubs are not new and are therefore not a reaction to the current economic times. As I wrote in my earlier post, they are also suffering under the weight of these times.
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PT School
To Isseu, WanKing and Tosc,
Thanks loads for the valuable information and the clarifications! And for putting up with my ignorance.
From reading the German boards, one can sort of get a somewhat different impression; that a PT and a FR are a bit different. Isseu's point about the PT/Swinger Club comparison makes sense, and is probably why the distinction seems more defined to some others.
Thanks for the help, guys.
Cheers,
Dedalus
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Cellphone while in Germany
Any suggestions on where and how to rent a cellphone upon arrival in Germany.Cologne/Dusseldorf?
I will be bringing the instrument (no pun intended! Just need to find out which company to get a temporary prepaid SIM card from and how much it costs, etc.
Tx,
Tom
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Single & Married Women...
[QUOTE=Iseeu]
It was a place where a single or married women, wanting to get it on with horny single guys without the added drama that is sometimes part of the swinger lifetsyle, could still feeel comfortable in this controlled atmosphere. This, as opposed to the traditional swinger clubs which did not allow single men to join in the fun.
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Iseeu, that's an interesting observation...
In that case, where would you say that this type of woman would go for fun nowadays ?
Back to SwingerClubs or ???
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[QUOTE=Gergiev]In that case, where would you say that this type of woman would go for fun nowadays ?
Back to SwingerClubs or ???[/QUOTE]
Yes. Many of the German swinger clubs are very open to single men, unlike most swinger clubs in other countries.
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FKKs near Munich
I'm headed to Austria this summer, but will arrive in Munich and stay for two days. I've read enough to know to avoid clubs in Munich, so was wondering if there was an FKK club (or some other good club) within a reasonable distance of Munich that I can access my train. Any information is much appreciated. I'm more than happy to do the reading if I can just narrow down a location.
Thanks in advance.
CL
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[QUOTE=Colombia Lover]I'm headed to Austria this summer, but will arrive in Munich and stay for two days. I've read enough to know to avoid clubs in Munich, so was wondering if there was an FKK club (or some other good club) within a reasonable distance of Munich that I can access my train. Any information is much appreciated. I'm more than happy to do the reading if I can just narrow down a location.[/QUOTE]
See this thread for FKK Colosseum: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2587[/url]
It's located in Augsburg which you can reach easily from Munich by train. You need to take a cab the last few km from Augsburg station.
Good luck
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Thank you, Zimmer!
[QUOTE=Zimmer]See this thread for FKK Colosseum: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2587[/url]
It's located in Augsburg which you can reach easily from Munich by train. You need to take a cab the last few km from Augsburg station.
Good luck[/QUOTE]
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Have you ever had to pay extra for facials in an fkk or its generally not a big deal for the ladies?
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[QUOTE=Tuxsmasher]Have you ever had to pay extra for facials in an fkk or its generally not a big deal for the ladies?[/QUOTE]
Actually facial should be the same extra charge as CIM.
HB
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[QUOTE=Zimmer]See this thread for FKK Colosseum: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2587[/url]
It's located in Augsburg which you can reach easily from Munich by train. You need to take a cab the last few km from Augsburg station.
Good luck[/QUOTE]
Although I have never been to Colosseum, I had planned to visit when I was visiting Munich. If I remember correctly, I think you may be able to transfer to a local train from the Augsburg main train station and walk 10-15 minutes or so to the club from the closet local train station though I can't remember the station's name. Although taking a cab would be the easier solution, if Columbia lover was planning to venture out from Munich anyway, I think the local train fee should be included so it wouldn't be extra and could save a few euros if one was on a budget.
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Help! Is that possible?
I see the pictures in sites of the most important FKKs: is that possible women are almost all Romanian/Bulgarian and not under 22 years old and with too many kilos?
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[QUOTE=Acolonizer]Help! Is that possible?
I see the pictures in sites of the most important FKKs: is that possible women are almost all Romanian/Bulgarian and not under 22 years old and with too many kilos?[/QUOTE]
Acolonizer,
If you look up my trip report posts you will see line up lists of the girls names, sometimes a description and their nationality to distinquish them. You will see that not all the women in the important FKKs are almost all Romanian and Bulgarian.
Some clubs like FKK World have a more preponderance of Romanians and Bulgarians but each clubs appear to have a sizeable proportion of ladies from those particular Black sea countries. Although I do know there is one punter that I run with that refuses to believe that World has very many Romanians and Bulgarians since the few exceptions of say Polish or German origin working girls disproves the claim. Also he needs proof that there is many and a simple line up list does not suffuce. So if we believe him then the answer is "no, there are not very many Romanians and Bulgarians, what are you thinking?"
If you actually mean the local clubs in NRW, OWL and Hessen as the important clubs as opposed to Top Clubs then I do not know I am sorry.
Cheers,
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Black women in western Nordrhein-Westfallen
Hey guys FKK-experts.
What FKK club in western Nordrhein-Westfallen can you recommend? I’m looking especially for the black women?
Thanks for your tips
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On posters and lurkers
There was a discussion on the Oase thread this past week on posters, lurkers, what defines an experienced monger and why lurkers are adverse to posting.
I believe that this is an important issue which needs to be highlighted and discussed in its own right rather than getting lost in the wealth of visit reports and discussion on the size of Linda/Karolina/Adrianna's mammaries. So I'm copying here the relevant posts in the order that they appeared, in the hope that they will engender more input from both regular posters and lurkers.
1) [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=885073&postcount=3974]James Bond meets an experienced monger[/url]
2) [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=885338&postcount=3978]Forzagermania recounts that he met the same monger but he only has a year's wear and tear under his towel so he's still a rookie[/url]
3) [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=885514&postcount=3980]Ortos on the definition of a senior monger[/url]
4) [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=886116&postcount=3994]EL on respect for regular contributors[/url]
5) [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=886123&postcount=3997]James Bond's reply to EL with justifications for lurkers who don't post[/url]
6) [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=886155&postcount=4001] A very eloquent response by an amazing guy to James Bond's post[/url]
Comments? Hurled epithets? Learned responses?
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[QUOTE=Iseeu]Comments? Hurled epithets? Learned responses?[/QUOTE]
Well, it's everyones choice whether they post reviews. I will say my respect for posters is directly proportional to the number of the reviews the post. Please note number of reviews is different than number of posts. I tend to have less patience and respect for senior members with high post counts who rarely if ever post a review. Posting what you've read on another board, even if translating, is not contributing new information. Nor is repeating the same objection to a club or set of clubs, or conversely marketing or promoting another set of club.
If lurkers want to lurk, that is fine. But remember, you are not contributing. And as such you deserve less respect.
I also know some frequent club visitors don't want to post reviews for fear of being outed. My response is ok, don't post a blow by blow trip report with enough info for the ladies in question to out you.
I will say I think we should be less snarky to the newbees who ask questions, even if they can be found by searching. Lately newbees have been some of the most prolific review posters.
Interesting one of the most frequently asked question from newbees is how do I get to club X by public transportation and we have not provided that information in the latest so called FAQ. When frequently asked questions aren't addressed in the FAQ, i don't think we can fault the newbees as a group for frequently asking frequently asked questions.
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[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]
I will say I think we should be less snarky to the newbees who ask questions, even if they can be found by searching. Lately newbees have been some of the most prolific review posters.
Interesting one of the most frequently asked question from newbees is how do I get to club X by public transportation and we have not provided that information in the latest so called FAQ. When frequently asked questions aren't addressed in the FAQ, i don't think we can fault the newbees as a group for frequently asking frequently asked questions.[/QUOTE]
Excellent points. Here's another one:
If we have sections here that deal with RoD, Travel Plans, etc., why not have a dedicated section spelling out directions to all the major clubs? Call it something like FKK Locations and Directions or How to Get to FKKs, whatever. It would serve a very basic quick info service for maybe the Nummero Uno Questione asked so, so often by new members...
Just an idea
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[QUOTE=Ortos]Excellent points. Here's another one:
If we have sections here that deal with RoD, Travel Plans, etc., why not have a dedicated section spelling out directions to all the major clubs? Call it something like FKK Locations and Directions or How to Get to FKKs, whatever. It would serve a very basic quick info service for maybe the Nummero Uno Questione asked so, so often by new members...
Just an idea[/QUOTE]
Great idea. How about a HOW TO USE THE SEARCH THREAD section.
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[QUOTE=Otari]Hey guys FKK-experts.
What FKK club in western Nordrhein-Westfallen can you recommend? I’m looking especially for the black women?
Thanks for your tips[/QUOTE]
During my last rip in early May, I noticed around 4-5 black women working @ Golden Time. Best to search some of Basketcase's post on the lineups for more specific info.
It has been more than 2 years, but there was a hot Ethiopian babe Denise @ Living Room. Tall, slim with a pretty face.
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[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]Well, it's everyones choice whether they post reviews. I will say my respect for posters is directly proportional to the number of the reviews the post. Please note number of reviews is different than number of posts. I tend to have less patience and respect for senior members with high post counts who rarely if ever post a review. Posting what you've read on another board, even if translating, is not contributing new information. Nor is repeating the same objection to a club or set of clubs, or conversely marketing or promoting another set of club.
If lurkers want to lurk, that is fine. But remember, you are not contributing. And as such you deserve less respect.
I also know some frequent club visitors don't want to post reviews for fear of being outed. My response is ok, don't post a blow by blow trip report with enough info for the ladies in question to out you.
I will say I think we should be less snarky to the newbees who ask questions, even if they can be found by searching. Lately newbees have been some of the most prolific review posters.
Interesting one of the most frequently asked question from newbees is how do I get to club X by public transportation and we have not provided that information in the latest so called FAQ. When frequently asked questions aren't addressed in the FAQ, i don't think we can fault the newbees as a group for frequently asking frequently asked questions.[/QUOTE]
Everyones idea of respect varies, but I believe respect is earned, not written. Until you meet in person, how can you really respect someone? Just because someone gives specific details on the amount of toilet paper they used to wipe after taking a dump on the 5th day @ 4:33pm does not deserve more respect. If you want to hold their hands & give them a gift, that's great.
I do not think anyone is going to lose any sleep because EL thinks they are a newbie or your lack of respect for them. Everyone has their reasons for not providing trip reports & that is fine with me. I like to have a little fun & yes, I do respond with sacrcasm. Someone eventually responds to the newbie question anyway so what's the big deal.
If you want to go mano a mano with Jackyo & everyone else that you dislike, have fun. Have fun hunting down all the members with high post counts with only a few trip reports.
On a serious note, what trains do I take to Palace from Industriehof? Also, how much is the entry price to Palace? I am sorry for being a newbie, but this info would really help. Thank you!
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NRW clubs
[QUOTE=Otari]Hey guys FKK-experts.
What FKK club in western Nordrhein-Westfallen can you recommend? I’m looking especially for the black women?
Thanks for your tips[/QUOTE]
Otari,
Golden Time:
Most of my visits in NRW are to Golden Time. The attached two links are to some of my recent reports to Golden Time that include line up lists of the girls present and a bit of a description where possible. You will see a number of black girls listed.
[post]880160[/post]
[post]871780[/post]
Villa Vertigo:
I recently went to Villa Vertigo on a Friday night which is the day you would expect its better line up to be present and I saw no dark skinned women.
Planet Happy Garden:
I do not have recent experience of Planet Happy Garden but during my visits I have not seen any Black women.
Ying Yang:
I do not have recent experience of Yin Yang but during my visits I have not seen any Black women.
Living Room:
I have no comment on Living Room.
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[QUOTE=Vito Corleone]Everyones idea of respect varies, but I believe respect is earned, not written. Until you meet in person, how can you really respect someone? Just because someone gives specific details on the amount of toilet paper they used to wipe after taking a dump on the 5th day @ 4:33pm does not deserve more respect. If you want to hold their hands & give them a gift, that's great.
I do not think anyone is going to lose any sleep because EL thinks they are a newbie or your lack of respect for them. Everyone has their reasons for not providing trip reports & that is fine with me. I like to have a little fun & yes, I do respond with sacrcasm. Someone eventually responds to the newbie question anyway so what's the big deal.
If you want to go mano a mano with Jackyo & everyone else that you dislike, have fun. Have fun hunting down all the members with high post counts with only a few trip reports.
On a serious note, what trains do I take to Palace from Industriehof? Also, how much is the entry price to Palace? I am sorry for being a newbie, but this info would really help. Thank you![/QUOTE]
I think we have a fundimentally different ideas of what the forum should be. I think this forum is at its best when we share information. Hence my preference for visit reports. I got alot out of this forum when I was a newbee by reading visit reports.
I sense that some senior mongers would prefer to use the forum mostly for back and forth banter. That's fine too. I can't say I find that particularly useful, but to each his own.
The final category is those that actively post misinformation in order to promote clubs they like. I make no apologies for correcting misinformation posted.
Lately, it has been the newbees providing the bulk of the trip reports. As I want more people to post club reports, I would prefer we not gang tackle the newbees every time one asks a question. Newbees become experienced mongers over time. It was funny their was a thread recently about whether BC should be considered an experience monger. I thought the comment was somewhat amusing given BC has probably contributed more to the forum over the last year that any of the more experienced mongers. I'm looking for more BC's to emerge on this forum. Your "sarcasm" towards newbees does not come across well in the forum. People asking questions often do not know when you are being facetious. Doesn't make for a very inviting welcome.
BTW, what info have you shared with the forum lately?
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[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]I think we have a fundimentally different ideas of what the forum should be. I think this forum is at its best when we share information. [/QUOTE]
Now the problem is that some of my information isn't usable for everyone. I talk backchannel with other members of the board, actually quite a few both here and at the clubs...and everyone has their own specific taste's and like's...the same with the ladies...and the chemistry between the girls and the posters create alot of the extra's you read about in the posts...ie the free time outside the room, the real gfe service and the like. Everyone has their own opinions of what's good and what's not, let them decide for themselves.
Would it be of interest to you to know the names of the girls at each club that give me great service and spend their free time outside the room letting me grab them to my hearts content? If I posted the names of all the girls at all the clubs that provided awsome service and spent their free time with me, what good would that information do for you? Would you expect the same type of service?
You should be happy that guys provide a general description of the club should suffice...ie how many girls are working, number of guys and the overall atmosphere.
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[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]I think we have a fundimentally different ideas of what the forum should be. I think this forum is at its best when we share information. Hence my preference for visit reports. I got alot out of this forum when I was a newbee by reading visit reports.
I sense that some senior mongers would prefer to use the forum mostly for back and forth banter. That's fine too. I can't say I find that particularly useful, but to each his own.
The final category is those that actively post misinformation in order to promote clubs they like. I make no apologies for correcting misinformation posted.
Lately, it has been the newbees providing the bulk of the trip reports. As I want more people to post club reports, I would prefer we not gang tackle the newbees every time one asks a question. Newbees become experienced mongers over time. It was funny their was a thread recently about whether BC should be considered an experience monger. I thought the comment was somewhat amusing given BC has probably contributed more to the forum over the last year that any of the more experienced mongers. I'm looking for more BC's to emerge on this forum. Your "sarcasm" towards newbees does not come across well in the forum. People asking questions often do not know when you are being facetious. Doesn't make for a very inviting welcome.
BTW, what info have you shared with the forum lately?[/QUOTE]
What! Vito being Facetious? Never!
I also like to read trip reports, just prefer not to write them. BC's long reports are very impressive & it is amazing how he remembers all the details. I do not remember half the things I did until I read his report (early May).
I session with a lot of women during my trips & I like to relax & sleep when I return to my hotel. I prefer not to stay awake 1-2 extra hrs & write down all my notes & try to remember the entire club lineup (name, country, height, hair, cup size & etc).
I believe I share some useful info from time to time. I think you take this forum a little too seriously, but you do provide very useful info.
From the Frankfurt International Airport terminal 1, how do I find Starbucks from the Nike store? Thanks
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[QUOTE=Vito Corleone] From the Frankfurt International Airport terminal 1, how do I find Starbucks from the Nike store? Thanks[/QUOTE]
Hi Vito Corleone,
Give me a moment I will find my map of Frankfurt am Main airport (terminal 1 and terminal 2) in my fully Dewey decimal indexed archive of FKK memorabilia and I will provide some instruction.
Which Starbucks do you want?
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[QUOTE=Basketcase]Hi Vito Corleone,
Give me a moment I will find my map of Frankfurt am Main airport (terminal 1 and terminal 2) in my fully Dewey decimal indexed archive of FKK memorabilia and I will provide some instruction.
Which Starbucks do you want?[/QUOTE]
The Starbucks located about 30ft to the right as you exit the Nike store.
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Why Lurkers Lurk
A while ago, I spoke with an occasional poster on this forum about the issues raised in post #5. His take was that you should worry only if you post a negative review of a girl. With enough effort, she can figure out the date you were there and who you are based in part on the other girls you were with and what other activities you did that day (these girls have memories like elephants.) Our way out of this problem is that we both do enough sessions that we can't possibly report every day with every girl. So, even if the girl puts forth the effort (hard to do and again probably not worth it unless you criticize), tracking back would be anywhere from difficult to impossible. Any recommendations from other members on how to address this problem? If this poster had some concerns, undoubtedly there are other lurkers who could benefit from knowing this information.
[QUOTE=Iseeu]There was a discussion on the Oase thread this past week on posters, lurkers, what defines an experienced monger and why lurkers are adverse to posting.
I believe that this is an important issue which needs to be highlighted and discussed in its own right rather than getting lost in the wealth of visit reports and discussion on the size of Linda/Karolina/Adrianna's mammaries. So I'm copying here the relevant posts in the order that they appeared, in the hope that they will engender more input from both regular posters and lurkers.
1) [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=885073&postcount=3974]James Bond meets an experienced monger[/url]
2) [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=885338&postcount=3978]Forzagermania recounts that he met the same monger but he only has a year's wear and tear under his towel so he's still a rookie[/url]
3) [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=885514&postcount=3980]Ortos on the definition of a senior monger[/url]
4) [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=886116&postcount=3994]EL on respect for regular contributors[/url]
5) [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=886123&postcount=3997]James Bond's reply to EL with justifications for lurkers who don't post[/url]
6) [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=886155&postcount=4001] A very eloquent response by an amazing guy to James Bond's post[/url]
Comments? Hurled epithets? Learned responses?[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Monger Man]A while ago, I spoke with an occasional poster on this forum about the issues raised in post #5. His take was that you should worry only if you post a negative review of a girl. With enough effort, she can figure out the date you were there and who you are based in part on the other girls you were with and what other activities you did that day (these girls have memories like elephants.) Our way out of this problem is that we both do enough sessions that we can't possibly report every day with every girl. So, even if the girl puts forth the effort (hard to do and again probably not worth it unless you criticize), tracking back would be anywhere from difficult to impossible. Any recommendations from other members on how to address this problem? If this poster had some concerns, undoubtedly there are other lurkers who could benefit from knowing this information.[/QUOTE] I guess you just have to be careful how much details you divulge.
Just recently I had written a comment in one of the FKK threads, but as I was to hit the "Add Report" button I had second thoughts and decided not to post. The reason was that if the persons involved indeed were to read it, it would be very easy for her/them to say "Aha, so Ozzy is THAT guy". I may post it at a later time, when memories may have faded a bit, but it is true what you say, many of these girls have a memory like an elephant. With repeat visits, I've been told things by my regular girls like "Oh, this is the room we were in when we were first together" or other obscure details that I myself am completely oblivious to. I've also had relayed to me details of what I did in the room with their friends many months ago (they gossip), so if you're a known face to her (a regular customer), she will eventually be able to connect the dots if she happens to read the forum (and if she does read it, the reports that will get her attention are of course the ones that mention her name, so your specific report will not be one that is drowned in the plethora of reports filed here, as long as you mention her.) With hindsight, I think I may have gone a bit too far with some of the details I've posted earlier, but for now I haven't gotten any comments or queries from the girls mentioned (knock wood).
I guess it also depends on which girl you are reporting on. Some of them seem so dense I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't know how to switch on a computer. But a lot (perhaps most) seem savvy and intelligent enough to be able to do some research and suss you out if they put in the effort and the details are there.
That being said, I don't necessarily think it's the "I fucked so-and-so in this and that position"-reports that will get you outed, but more so the details of what has been said or what has been done besides the sex. For example, I've shown my appreciation for a certain ATF in a special way, and that appreciation was very much returned. The details would probably make an interesting post, but I would never do it as it would be a dead giveaway if she were to read it. I've also learned quite a bit about the private lives of some of my regular girls, like their background, family lives, hopes for the future etc. Some of it may make interesting reading, but I don't post it. Mainly out of respect for the girl's privacy, but also because there probably was a more limited amount of guys she told so-and-so details to last week, than fucked her doggy then mish before cumming in her mouth.
Finally there is the question whether a girl really cares if you post a report on her (or are a poster in general), as long as you don't post anything negative. This I have no clue about, as I have never discussed ISG or any other forum with a girl. But I think I would feel kinda foolish if one of my favourites were to say that she had read what I had written about her (I. E. She outed me), even if she then were to say that she didn't care, or even if she thought it was nice.
Just my two cents.
Ozzy
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OH, that one
[QUOTE=Vito Corleone]The Starbucks located about 30ft to the right as you exit the Nike store.[/QUOTE]
go 30 ft to the [i]left[/i] as you exit the Nike store, make a u-turn, then walk 60 ft straight ahead. Should be right there :D
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Why leeches leech
I think we need a new category for posters who do not post reviews. I propose the term leeches for this category of posters as they prefer to take information from the forum but do not contribute information. So far, three excuses have emerged:
1. I'm special
"She only sucks dick that way for me, so no sense sharing information on her". The Breadman excuse.
2. I'm lazy
"What, take up my precious time writing a review, I could post 50 snarky comments about directions in that time". The Vito excuse.
3. I'll be outed.
If you are in the clubs as often as HB or BC, I accept there is some legitamcy depending on how much info you share about yourself and the women. But seriously, these women fuck 10 guys a day. If you don't post details of conversations or other items that could identify you, how are they going to identify you. I think you are in more danger of being overheard when giving your handle to other guys at clubs.
Let's not forget many of these women have managers, and internet posters are not high on their list of life concerns. For the others, I'm sure ISG is of much less interest to the girls than the German forums.
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Why Post?
For me the question is not so much why do others not post but why do I post. Of course I have a preference that others post their experience in reports. But in the end I have to ask myself why do I post?
This "hobby", if you can call it that, Has been part of my life on and off for almost 35 years now. It has been part obsession, part passion. For much of this time it was also my deepest & darkest secret. No one knew and I never shared anything about it with anyone.
I discovered review boards about ten years back and have since been involved in several, first just reading reviews and eventually starting to post. I found it enormously helpful and also fun to share information and experiences. It helped to lessen the obsession aspect of the hobby and to strengthen the passion aspect. A good thing I think.
Eventually I started letting folks know in my off line life what I do and what my hobby is. So while I certainly don't go around telling everyone I know that I like banging pros, those people in my life who are important to me, closer friends, all know my hobby. But lets face it, mostly they do not want to know the details. So the details I post here. Just as a way of getting it out there and having fun as I do enjoy the writing just as writing.
Other members and none members can do as they feel, post or not post. I'm still going to post as long as I am going to see girls. I do remind people who come on here seeking info to write up their reports. But more than that I can not do. I also will tell posters who come on with very general questions (I am coming to Berlin. Who should I see?) that this is a very difficult question for anyone to answer. Some research and effort is required.
In the end I feel that I get a lot from this forum because I give a lot. But then this is the same for all areas of life and indeed life in general. The more you give, just because you want to and have passion, the more you receive.
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[QUOTE=Ozzy Ozzman]That being said, I don't necessarily think it's the "I fucked so-and-so in this and that position"-reports that will get you outed, but more so the details of what has been said or what has been done besides the sex. For example, I've shown my appreciation for a certain ATF in a special way, and that appreciation was very much returned. The details would probably make an interesting post, but I would never do it as it would be a dead giveaway if she were to read it. I've also learned quite a bit about the private lives of some of my regular girls, like their background, family lives, hopes for the future etc. Some of it may make interesting reading, but I don't post it. Mainly out of respect for the girl's privacy, but also because there probably was a more limited amount of guys she told so-and-so details to last week, than fucked her doggy then mish before cumming in her mouth.[/QUOTE]
Fully agree. I try to keep personal details disclosed out of reports as it could be identifying outside of this forum. Remember, the girls are far more concerned about being "outed" outside the clubs than we are inside the clubs.
The is a lady I went with at a club who told me her day job outside the club. I'd love to share it on the forum because the job has a rather amusing sexual connotation in English. But I won't share it as it could be potentially identifying. Also, I would caution board members from going into too much details on tattoos, particularly if is a unique design.
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[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]If you are in the clubs as often as HB or BC, I accept there is some legitamcy depending on how much info you share about yourself and the women. But seriously, these women fuck 10 guys a day. If you don't post details of conversations or other items that could identify you, how are they going to identify you. I think you are in more danger of being overheard when giving your handle to other guys at clubs.
Let's not forget many of these women have managers, and internet posters are not high on their list of life concerns. For the others, I'm sure ISG is of much less interest to the girls than the German forums.[/QUOTE]
Don't feel to safe. A lot of non-German girls do speak English, often their English is better than their German. So they read the ISG instead of German boards. And they do know how to make a connection, how to link the information (sometimes very detailled, too detailled) to things that happened and to guys they met at the club, even guys they have never ever been with. So be careful how you do share information - but please go on writing reports.
Why post "I was at Oase on Tuesday May 5th from 14.25 until 22.35 and met xxxx on my way out, talked to her and she said "xxxx" to me. I'm glad I brought my own shoes, my own towel and that I did not lose my Rolex watch and Gucci sunglasses when I was in the pool with xxx". That's of zero interest.
HB
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I was found out by one of my regulars some time back as a result of my postings. It was NOT a pleasent experience. It was a result of a board member feeling the urge to discuss me with her in details (I do not know what to call a fetish like that) backed up by some of my reports, and subsequently the girl going through my reports and putting two and two together.
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Confessions of an outed Poster
Hey All,
Not that long ago I had to tap dance around the issue of boards, posting and such with one of my favorites. Nothing to do with an in-depth report, but a simple acknowledgment of a particular gal's attractiveness and good service. She had me cold too. She belongs to a group who make it a hobby of placing handles with faces. (And there are several clicks like this!)
Plus, I had the unfortunate luck that one of our brethren outed me to her. And it's not the first time.
I still try my best to do my part, and I still write the occasional narrative. However, as has been pointed out, some of us are in and out the doors of these places pretty often, and some of us have discovered that the less the ladies associate us with the Internet, the better.
Cheers,
Dedalus
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Daed; Sadly, some of us are not are not so fortunate to be "in and out the doors of these places pretty often".
I've gotten alot of great information from this list and try to "give back", with full reports, when I return from the promised land.
If an "SP" is somehow able to identify me as a result of information I've gleaned from this site (or other such). Quite honestly, I am not going to worry about it. There are more P's in the pod.
But understand your point of view.
Strato
[QUOTE=Dedalus]Hey All,
Not that long ago I had to tap dance around the issue of boards, posting and such with one of my favorites. Nothing to do with an in-depth report, but a simple acknowledgment of a particular gal's attractiveness and good service. She had me cold too. She belongs to a group who make it a hobby of placing handles with faces. (And there are several clicks like this!)
Plus, I had the unfortunate luck that one of our brethren outed me to her. And it's not the first time.
I still try my best to do my part, and I still write the occasional narrative. However, as has been pointed out, some of us are in and out the doors of these places pretty often, and some of us have discovered that the less the ladies associate us with the Internet, the better.
Cheers,
Dedalus[/QUOTE]
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Why worry?
[QUOTE=Monger Man]A while ago, I spoke with an occasional poster on this forum about the issues raised in post #5. His take was that you should worry only if you post a negative review of a girl. With enough effort, she can figure out the date you were there and who you are based in part on the other girls you were with and what other activities you did that day (these girls have memories like elephants.) Our way out of this problem is that we both do enough sessions that we can't possibly report every day with every girl. So, even if the girl puts forth the effort (hard to do and again probably not worth it unless you criticize), tracking back would be anywhere from difficult to impossible. Any recommendations from other members on how to address this problem? If this poster had some concerns, undoubtedly there are other lurkers who could benefit from knowing this information.[/QUOTE]
As I wrote in post #6, IMHO it's really a stretch to believe that she'll identify your handle, attach it to you the next time she sees you and out you. You'd really need to include in your post a lot of very specific identifying information about yourself and your session with her for this to happen. But even if she does, so what?
Why should anyone worry about the girl's reaction after writing a negative report? Would you care the same if a really incompetent plumber messed up your plumbing and found out that you were unhappy with his work? As with any service provider it's best that they know the truth. If it was truly her fault, let her find out that she has an unsatisfied customer. In fact if it is indeed true that the girls read this forum, let the others and club management know as well. It's probably the best way for us to positively impact service levels.
Again, I believe that this is just an excuse not to post rather than a valid reason.
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[QUOTE=Monger Man]A while ago, I spoke with an occasional poster on this forum about the issues raised in post #5. His take was that you should worry only if you post a negative review of a girl. [/QUOTE]
I had a situation on my last trip where the girl started to mention other names of guys on the board after I mentioned 'this guy says hi'....just by saying hello for him I got myself in the jam of being associated with a larger group.
This isn't like a bar or stripclub where your just getting a dance...you somehow get the girls thinking your friends with some asshole who treated them like shit and you'll get the same no matter how hard you try to smooth things over.
As a point: On one hand, you see a guy buying champagne for all the girls and getting all the attention...'im his buddy'. Guy comes out of the room and mentions he fucked a girl in the ass without her consent, im going to stay on the other side of the room just in case.
[QUOTE=Iseeu]let her find out that she has an unsatisfied customer. [/QUOTE]
There's more than one issue why some don't post reviews. What I said above is a valid reason, although the last description was a stretch (pun intended).
So you Isseu rip a girl in a review...and she knows its you who did the review since your being specific in the details. Now we all know, everyone clicks differently with the girls...your bad session will be Beffens highlight of the trip. So you rip the girl a new one, Beffins sitting at the table with you and by association, his second trip to the room with the girl sucks the big one. Beffin's second session should have been as good as the first 'if' the girl didnt' know that you wrote that negative review.
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[QUOTE=Iseeu]As I wrote in post #6, IMHO it's really a stretch to believe that she'll identify your handle, attach it to you the next time she sees you and out you. You'd really need to include in your post a lot of very specific identifying information about yourself and your session with her for this to happen. But even if she does, so what?
Why should anyone worry about the girl's reaction after writing a negative report? Would you care the same if a really incompetent plumber messed up your plumbing and found out that you were unhappy with his work? As with any service provider it's best that they know the truth. If it was truly her fault, let her find out that she has an unsatisfied customer. In fact if it is indeed true that the girls read this forum, let the others and club management know as well. It's probably the best way for us to positively impact service levels.
Again, I believe that this is just an excuse not to post rather than a valid reason.[/QUOTE]
Very rarely do I see somebody post sentences that could be entirely my own. This is an emphatic way for me to say that I fully agree with Iseeu's argument above. Reading several esteemed posters contributions during the past day, I was struck with a feeling that these guys are overly concerned about being outed through there posts....or possess paranoid personalities...or both. I really think lots of guys here are over-estimating the exposure of info posted on this isg site to the girls or even idiot pimps who are involved with FKKs. If they ever do even take much time out of their days to peruse the Internet for info, then surely 90% of their attention is focused on local German boards, since local Germans make up the main segment of the potential day-to-day customer pool.
Now I know there are cases, like Henio has mentioned below, where guys have been outed. But I would argue that these are the rare exception, not at all the general rule. There are some real jerk mongers out there who might even print out a post or series of posts on a specific site and actually hand it to a girl he wants to session with and say: "Hey take a look at this!"
I myself subscribe entirely to Iseeu's school of thought, namely: I very much doubt there is much if any impact on the FKK scen by our posts, and if some girls do occassionaly read this, they must make a giant leap of comprehension and advanced pattern analysis to link a given post with a guys handle here. Even if she moves in one direction, her conclusion will always be shrouded with alot of doubt or uncertainty. If she confronts you, and you say: "Wtf are you on about? I know nothing of Internet chatter, lol..." There will always be such a margin of error in her mind. But in the end, Do you really give a shit if they do know who you are? LOL! Big deal. Let the seller beware....
Ortos
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Great discussion
[QUOTE=Dedalus] However, as has been pointed out, some of us are in and out the doors of these places pretty often, and some of us have discovered that the less the ladies associate us with the Internet, the better.
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First, I have to say that I'm happy that my post generated this very interesting and educational discussion. Good stuff although it would be even better if some "lurkers" added in their thoughts.
Agree with Ded. The less that we are associated with an internet forum that reviews the clubs the better. The flip side of this; I have a friend who reviews restaurants for a fairly prominent regional newspaper, and although he visits restaurants incognito, he is sometimes recognized and invariably receives amazing personal service, which means that he has to scrap any plans to review that particular establishment. Once, he arranged for me to visit a place that he had favorably reviewed, and my dining partner and I were personally wined and dined by the chef, wine steward and manager. There's something to be said for the power of being recognized as a potential reviewer for a site with a wide distribution and readership.
I am a bit surprised to read from HB, Henio, Dedalus and others that they have been outed or believe that this is a valid issue. I'm not as frequent a visitor as some of them or others, but I do get to clubs about twice a month, including Bernd's and Oase on a fairly regular basis, and have never faced this problem. Some of the girls in these clubs know personal things about me, and my posts sometimes are very descriptive, although I do try to keep personal details that are confided to me by the girls out of my posts. I've also never mentioned to any SP that I post here, although I would guess that some of the more intelligent ones can assume it. Frankly, I don't see the harm in that.
I agree with the general idea that the best posts are those that help in the exchange of information. For me, that exchange also includes sharing information from other forums that most of us don't access on a regular basis, good-natured banter and needling between members, and any post as long as it's relevant to the topic at hand and doesn't insult or otherwise threaten other forum members, racial groups, nationalities, etc. I'm open to it all since the wealth of information gleaned from others enables me to sift through the data and use the information that I find valid to me.
I guess the point of all of this is to give newbies, lurkers and occasional posters the confidence to post. It's always useful and informative. If you're concerned about being outed, keep personal details about yourself and the SP that you've been with to a minimum, and that, the anonymity of the internet, and the discretion we expect (and usually get) of other forum members, should provide enough of a safeguard.
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reviews in general
For those wishing to read detailed reviews on the clubs, have to ask a question...where do you live and how often do you visit the clubs?
For a poster who's not planning on visiting the clubs anytime soon, what good does a review do him? If a reviewer weights 400lbs, has body odor and turns off the girls...and I as a reader don't know this fact...what good does his review do me? Now Basketcase's listing of 60 something girls, even if he can't get the last 10 or so is information that I can use...because I know the club has alot of talent to choose from. Do I write down the names of all the girls that get good reviews? No I dont, because its up to me to decide who I like and what feedback im getting from the girls. Has nothing to do with any reviews ive ever read.
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Stretching it!
[QUOTE=Breadman]There's more than one issue why some don't post reviews. What I said above is a valid reason, although the last description was a stretch (pun intended).
So you Isseu rip a girl in a review...and she knows its you who did the review since your being specific in the details. Now we all know, everyone clicks differently with the girls...your bad session will be Beffens highlight of the trip. So you rip the girl a new one, Beffins sitting at the table with you and by association, his second trip to the room with the girl sucks the big one. Beffin's second session should have been as good as the first 'if' the girl didnt' know that you wrote that negative review.[/QUOTE]
So I rip a girl in a review (not in the very florid way that you suggested in the first part of your post). She;
* does some instantaneous pattern analysis (Ortos- good one) on her netbook,
* identifies me by my handle,
* remembers me
* remembers the miserable session that we had on one of my previous visits some months ago,
* recalls vividly the details of my critical post,
* sees me sitting, chewing the fat with Beffen.
As you correctly stated, we all click differently with different girls so Beffen still chooses to go with her. There are 2 ways that this can play out. She can;
1) stick it to him. Could happen as retaliation for him being my friend. Doubt it though because she'll be losing a return customer. Beffen may hate me afterwards, but I doubt that too, because he's a pretty smart guy and knows that I've possibly saved him from some bad future sessions.
2) give him a great mind-blowing session to show that I'm a dick wad and she still wants his return business. Girl will still hate me. Beffen will be happy, and comes back to the table all drained and glowing and telling me the error of my ways.
My intial negative review may turn others away from her who might otherwise have been caught in her tendrils. Beffen and others who have previously had good sessions with her will think that I'm a dick wad or else know that we each click differently, and their personal tastes and chemistry are different from mine.
What harm has been caused by my negative review?
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An excuse a bit overdone indeed
I am a pretty regular visitor to the clubs, but wouldn't dream of NOT reporting if I wanted to for fear of being "outed". Whatever that is supposed to entail, and whatever reprisals are supposed to have me quaking in my blue club sandals.
I tell it as I see it. I stand by my reports. Often good reviews of the girls, sometimes not so good. I am happy to give session details, just as I would if reviewing a holiday, a restaurant or other service on the internet. What I try very hard not to do is to divulge anything which would endanger the girl's private sphere in any way. Not that there is much danger of that. She is lying a lot of the time, not unlike me.
I agree with Iseeu and Ortos. If I get upbraided some day by a provider who has identified me as a contributor for some offence she thinks I have committed, it's her opinion only. I don't think it's going to happen, but I fear little, I must say. She can refuse service. I don't care, I repeat relatively rarely, deliberately avoid establishing favourites, and certainly will not waste EUR 50 on an upset teenager seemingly out for revenge! She can try to get others to join her. I don't care, it ultimately won't work, I have good money in my wallet.
From my experience I happen to think that very few girls read reports anyway. On shoes, hair, clothes, cosmetics or filmstars just maybe, but I doubt it, and almost certainly not on the clubs. They already work there upwards of 12 hours a day, and they've got their "boyfriend" to satisfy after that... Hardly time for proud work-ethic driven consideration of the ether's appraisal of their mattress performance as well.
That said, I have been identified once by a girl at a small club for a report on a German site. She loved the report, and thought it was good that the club got some coverage.
What they DON'T like at all, no, no, no, is if you send the club a complaint by email after poor service. :-) :-) At a small club that can get them in big trouble. I have only done that twice, and the club would not have been able to identify me from my message. But the girl could have done so if she was challenged by the club! I did sense on one of my next visits to one club that I was the subject of a whispering campaign around for the sofas for a while. But again, the complaint was deserved in my view. I got great service that evening ;-)
Even more bizarrely on another occasion, one German forum reader copy-pasted a negative report of mine and posted it directly on the feedback section of the club website itself. I guess as an example of the sort of shit this club served up and what were they going to do about it? Now that's taking it a bit far, even if he did not disclose my handle!
So, I also believe we should not feel restricted, the downside is limited. It's no excuse. We should write it as we see it.
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[QUOTE=Ortos]Very rarely do I see somebody post sentences that could be entirely my own. This is an emphatic way for me to say that I fully agree with Iseeu's argument above. Reading several esteemed posters contributions during the past day, I was struck with a feeling that these guys are overly concerned about being outed through there posts....or possess paranoid personalities...or both. I really think lots of guys here are over-estimating the exposure of info posted on this isg site to the girls or even idiot pimps who are involved with FKKs. [/QUOTE]
Hey Man,
Probably correct on a lot of points here, but I would not underestimate how many of the ladies find their way onto this site. Most of the main club's owners and personnel know about it and so do the ladies. Need confirmation? Ask Cordelia.
Having said that, I'm not as worried about being outed by an SP's powers of inductive and deductive reasoning, although I'd be careful not to underestimate this as well.
No, my problem is with the occasional board member who finds it more necessary to use me as a topic of conversation with this girl or that. Oddly enough, it seems to have happened with some guys who I have never met as well as a few that I have only met on a few occasions. Henio is right. This is an odd fetish.
[QUOTE=Ortos]
Now I know there are cases, like Henio has mentioned below, where guys have been outed. But I would argue that these are the rare exception, not at all the general rule. There are some real jerk mongers out there who might even print out a post or series of posts on a specific site and actually hand it to a girl he wants to session with and say: "Hey take a look at this!"
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Some are jerks, some just don't seem to know any better. Some get comfortable and let their guard down. Some I suspect may even do it out of spite. Who knows?
[QUOTE=Ortos]
I myself subscribe entirely to Iseeu's school of thought, namely: I very much doubt there is much if any impact on the FKK scen by our posts, and if some girls do occassionaly read this, they must make a giant leap of comprehension and advanced pattern analysis to link a given post with a guys handle here. Even if she moves in one direction, her conclusion will always be shrouded with alot of doubt or uncertainty. If she confronts you, and you say: "Wtf are you on about? I know nothing of Internet chatter, lol..." There will always be such a margin of error in her mind. But in the end, Do you really give a shit if they do know who you are? LOL! Big deal. Let the seller beware....
Ortos[/QUOTE]
Well, yes I do give a crap about it. And what's further, I know that you do too. We both have long since grown bored with the average Optikfick session. Getting a gal's A-Game (preferably without emptying the bank account to get it) is what counts. All the better if we can get it out of what we would consider an Optik-Highlight. Also getting a general level of respect from the girls and the management alike is a priority. You are as aware of this as anyone and I know how careful you are about your own club profile. Now I know some locals who run boards or are prominent posters who do not care if a girl knows who they are and what they write. Mostly they get royal treatment but not always and I know a few top-notch SPs who shun them solely because of their part-time journalism.
I find it interesting that a few board members who never or rarely post detailed report about working gals or make "trip-reports" seem to have escaped the brunt of this criticism. I respect their reasons and am grateful for the low-key, practical info that they DO provide. These guys, like many of the maligned senior members who have been doing this for a while and are examining the club scene on a regular basis share valuable info on this board (sometimes low-key, sometimes not) and are VERY generous when it comes to info (on SPs and otherwise) when met in person at the clubs. One might consider this before climbing up on his or her sanctimonious soapbox.
Truthfully, I DO miss the days of great reporting the likes of which Beffen, Novize, Peter and many others contributed. One of the great things to look forward to is when Tosc or Iseeu write up one of their Hunter Thompson-like reports. Much appreciated and thoroughly enjoyed!!!! The rest of us do our best under the circumstances.
This all seemed to start when one contributor (who BTW has provided tons of useful info and interesting reads on non-English boards) made what was admittedly an out of place comment about another prolific poster's "rookie" status; although I suspect the comment was mostly made in jest. For what it's worth, I would have rather seen that dealt with in a more positive and perhaps humorous way rather than so caustically. The poster in question sees the inside of these places more than most of us put together and making him "feel at home" might have been potentially advantageous for the good of the order. Now, we may never know.
Oh, one other thing: Many of those long Anwesenheitsliste that the "rookie" so generously provides (THANKS, BTW!!!) might have possibly been made achievable not only by the "rookie's" keen eye and memory, but also by the aid, scouting, experience and GENEROUSITY of THAT SAME experienced poster that it was so easy to criticize; or others like him who for whatever reason tend to lurk. Ironic, no?
Cheers,
Dedalus, who were it not for a bad head cold would probably be at the World party right now trying to find a free room with Laura.
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[QUOTE=Euro100]go 30 ft to the [i]left[/i] as you exit the Nike store, make a u-turn, then walk 60 ft straight ahead. Should be right there :D[/QUOTE]
Thanks Euro for helping this newbie out!
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[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]I think we need a new category for posters who do not post reviews. I propose the term leeches for this category of posters as they prefer to take information from the forum but do not contribute information. So far, three excuses have emerged:
1. I'm special
"She only sucks dick that way for me, so no sense sharing information on her". The Breadman excuse.
2. I'm lazy
"What, take up my precious time writing a review, I could post 50 snarky comments about directions in that time". The Vito excuse.
3. I'll be outed.
If you are in the clubs as often as HB or BC, I accept there is some legitamcy depending on how much info you share about yourself and the women. But seriously, these women fuck 10 guys a day. If you don't post details of conversations or other items that could identify you, how are they going to identify you. I think you are in more danger of being overheard when giving your handle to other guys at clubs.
Let's not forget many of these women have managers, and internet posters are not high on their list of life concerns. For the others, I'm sure ISG is of much less interest to the girls than the German forums.[/QUOTE]
How about adding a couple more.
#4 I am waiting for a trip report
EL's excuse
#5 I love Palace, but hate anyone who likes Bernds
Radler's fav
#6 I really hate Jackyo
EL's & Radler's #1 topic
#7 I hate Vito's snarky remarks
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[QUOTE=Vito Corleone]How about adding a couple more.
#4 I am waiting for a trip report
EL's excuse
#5 I love Palace, but hate anyone who likes Bernds
Radler's fav
#6 I really hate Jackyo
EL's & Radler's #1 topic
#7 I hate Vito's snarky remarks[/QUOTE]
I hate to break the news to you, but you aren't worthy of my attention. I may reconsider if you ever post a review or contribute useful information to the forum.
Have a good life.
Regards,
EL
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[QUOTE=Breadman]For those wishing to read detailed reviews on the clubs, have to ask a question...where do you live and how often do you visit the clubs?
For a poster who's not planning on visiting the clubs anytime soon, what good does a review do him? If a reviewer weights 400lbs, has body odor and turns off the girls...and I as a reader don't know this fact...what good does his review do me? Now Basketcase's listing of 60 something girls, even if he can't get the last 10 or so is information that I can use...because I know the club has alot of talent to choose from. Do I write down the names of all the girls that get good reviews? No I dont, because its up to me to decide who I like and what feedback im getting from the girls. Has nothing to do with any reviews ive ever read.[/QUOTE]
I think you are laboring under the misconception that we want reviews of the clubs. For me, the clubs are all about the women. I could care less about the facilities. So I'm not looking for reviews of the clubs but rather the women.
We all know about YMMV. We also know that one tends to get the best service at clubs and with women one frequents regularly. Your excuses to me are just a cover for laziness in not contributing.
To answer the question, I live in the US, but get over for club visits about six times a year. Mix of business and pleasure.
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[QUOTE=Dedalus]No, my problem is with the occasional board member who finds it more necessary to use me as a topic of conversation with this girl or that. Oddly enough, it seems to have happened with some guys who I have never met as well as a few that I have only met on a few occasions. Henio is right. This is an odd fetish.[/QUOTE]
Wait a second. I was under the impression that you and Henio were outed because of posting reviews. It seems that you both were outed because another monger outed you.
Seems to me you should be more selective in who you share your board identity with. I don't see how reviews contributed to your being outed or how posting further reviews will put you in danger of future reoccurances.
I'll give you an example. I was standing in the pizza line last night chatting with BC in English. An English speaking monger broke into our conversation and started asking me if it was my first time there and if I was on any of the boards. In a low voice, I said "we don't talk about such things within earshot of the girls". As the pizza line wore on, he said to me, "Are you on board X". I told him again that this was not a topic for discussion in a crowded room.
At that point, BC and I decided the gentleman in question was a twit and lost him in the crowd. No way I would share my board identity with a twit like that. Of course, I may have just done so, but I'm not concerned because the chances we will cross paths again are remote.
If you are reading this, twit, shut the fuck up about the internet and boards within the clubs.
Groups of English speakers are suspicious to the girls. I have been asked many a time by the girls how I know BC. I suggest that you have a cover story for this situation that is plausible.
You should exercise discretion within the club, never discuss boards, the internet or handles in the clubs, you will be quite safe from being outed. Since the issue really wasn't being outed because of reviews, how about contributing one or two once in a while?
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[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]I think you are laboring under the misconception that we want reviews of the clubs. For me, the clubs are all about the women. I could care less about the facilities. So I'm not looking for reviews of the clubs but rather the women.
We all know about YMMV. We also know that one tends to get the best service at clubs and with women one frequents regularly. Your excuses to me are just a cover for laziness in not contributing.
To answer the question, I live in the US, but get over for club visits about six times a year. Mix of business nd pleasure.[/QUOTE]I msotly agree with EL here.
The clubs facilities are not such a big deal, as long as reach some level of acceptability, even if I complain that food wasn't as good as somewhere else. It just doesn't matter. I have never had issues with the showers :D at any club. O.K. World had no hand basins with the showers to clean your teeth, but we make do.
Its about the range of girls that meet our specs and give a good time. I don't care how many bad girls there are as long as more than enough good ones.
Yesterday went to the Palace midday. Had a choice of Nicholetta, Bee, Didi, Mitsu, Kiara, etc. (all known to be great performing girls). It wasn't busy. Probably plenty of other great girls I never even tried yet (some seemed popular).
Getting back to posting reports about girls. Breadman seemed to suggest that they weren't that useful. O.K. a single guy, 400 lbs who stinks writes a bad report. We don't know him, but we can maintain some level of skepticism. If 5 different guys write a bad report on the girl and no-one defends her, then we are starting to believe she may not be real good.
But if I write that I had a fantastic time with Linda, Magda, Bee, Kimmi or Mitsu, etc. and no one disagrees or others confirm, then others can start to build up a list of possibly consistent performers (assuming some chemistry exists) based on general agreement of the forum.
O.K. Different girls have different styles, but a detailed report can give an idea of what style is possible with a girl.
Some guys will get a reputation for reliable advise.
Myrmidion recently looked for girls recommended by several guys on the forum and generally had a great time with great girls. Maybe the odd chemistry mismatch, but was able to avoid the real sharks. His research paid off.
I very much like to get advice from other guys known to have very similar taste to myself. In return I post info on girls who gave me a fantastic time. I put much less effort into talking about girls who were ordinary or below par.
I don't like to blaim girls too much who perhaps didn't feel any chemistry with me at all.
Its great to be able to have a list of girls names that we can be sure will be a good session. e.g. So many have recommended Michelle at Oase. A new guy to Oase can always consider Michelle if unsure.
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[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]Wait a second. I was under the impression that you and Henio were outed because of posting reviews. It seems that you both were outed because another monger outed you.[/QUOTE] It was a case of someone having the need to have in depth discussion about my relationship with one of the girls and in that revealing my board identity hence the reports became the issue. When confronted by the girl I told her I had no idea what she was talking about. She then went on reading my reports that I had given out details about our sessions, given the dates etc. and got it confirmed that Henio was indeed me. She felt betrayed that I would have written about the time we spent together. It is not a huge deal really and fortunately she seems to have kept it to her self, but I was never able to get the kind of quality sessions with that girl as I had before.
I have been in this game long enough to understand that it is first and foremost about money, but every now and then you meet a girl that you have great chemistry with and the sessions become pretty damn good. I hate to screw that up like I did that time be revaling too much.
I have no problems sharing info and I will continue to do so in a bit less detail than I used to. I was just overdoing the detail level before to the point it became pretty easy for a girl doing her research to figure it out. She probably would not have started that if it had not been for the indiscretion of a fellow board member so yes, it started out by someone ratting on me, but I would easily had talked my way out of that one had it not been for my detailed reports. This should usually not become a problem unless it is a regular girl you do as it was in my case.
[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]
Seems to me you should be more selective in who you share your board identity with. I don't see how reviews contributed to your being outed or how posting further reviews will put you in danger of future reoccurances.
[/QUOTE] The reviews are what was outed. If it had not been the reviews, nothing is to be outed. That is the link. It is like saying "there is no connection between being drunk and being caught for drunk driving", but you are right about being selective who you reveal your identity to. I for one am much more selective than before after that little incident. Live and learn.
[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]
Groups of English speakers are suspicious to the girls. I have been asked many a time by the girls how I know BC. I suggest that you have a cover story for this situation that is plausible.
[/QUOTE] Yes, often girls ask how to you know so and so. My usual response is that I met him in the club and since we were both non-germans and spoke English we just started chatting and when we meet at club we hang out. When I am asked about things connected to internet postings (which is not often) my usual response acting shocked that anyone would write down such private moments and also that my German is not good enough to parttake in any of that stuff hence dismissing any knowledge of English boards. I have had girls say "you know there is English boards too". "Really, I had no idea" is my standard response followed by "please suck my lolly now sweety".
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[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]
You should exercise discretion within the club, never discuss boards, the internet or handles in the clubs, you will be quite safe from being outed. Since the issue really wasn't being outed because of reviews, how about contributing one or two once in a while?[/QUOTE]
Hey,
Henio has pretty well covered the links between reporting, indiscretion and being outed. As my situation(s) mirror his somewhat, I'll consider that matter adequately dealt with.
As to my reporting: You seem to have been banging that drum in my direction for a while now, while leaving others who report less frequently and contribute far less information than I and others do alone. Frankly I find your "Star Chamber" in this regard to be selective and a bit capricious. But this is of course your right.
I do think that it was a shame the way you jumped on FG for his remarks. They were in all probability made in jest and not meant to be at all demeaning. Plus, although I was not in the room, I'd almost bet you dollars to doughnuts that FG as helped your buddy compile many of those valuable Anwesenheitsliste. Admittedly, this is only a hunch on my part and if I am wrong, then I stand corrected. However BC is too smart to run around a club with a clipboard and pen taking a census, and while he is social, he's certainly not taking every bird aside and pounding them for their Steckbrief details. The man has an exceptional memory and an eye for details, but no doubt generous sharing of info by a few seasoned clubbers helped with those lists. (Very much a valuable contribution! Thanks BC!!!)
FG's posting Bona Fides may not be so prevalent on this board, but they are quite so on other non-English boards and understanding this might have been useful in helping him feel comfortable sharing is knowledge here as well. Rather than jump ugly with the guy (who BTW is about as friendly a dude that you will meet) it might have paid dividends to get to know him first. Instead, well...we know what happened.
Frankly, I just don't get the need to be so argumentative. I'm not referring to healthy disagreement and discussion. I respect that and I have no problem with you or anyone else addressing what you perceive as inaccuracies or expressing another opinion. Also I enjoy your reports and find your opinions valuable and interesting. But I don't get argumentative "edge" or the belligerence. It's one of the reasons that I give board dialogue with you a wide berth. Also probably why I didn’t alter my plans so as to meet up with you last year. I seem to recall you taking great offense at that.
Clearly I'm not your type of board contributor. That is perfectly OK. Clearly you see no value in the information that I provide or in the way in which I provide it. This is also fine by me. Clearly since I write up "trip-reports" less frequently than I use to for a variety of reasons, this diminishes my esteem in your eyes. I can also live with that.
A blessing on your house my friend,
Dedalus
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[QUOTE=Henio] "Really, I had no idea" is my standard response followed by "please suck my lolly now sweety".[/QUOTE]
You always were a silly ole' romantic there, Hen.
Cheers,
Dedalus
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Girls reading the forum
I was doing some research on older postings in the Palace thread, when I came across these exchanges from the spring of 2008. They should be of some interest with regard to the topic of girls reading the forum.
It starts of in March 2008 when a guy gives a girl a negative review:
[QUOTE=Gamma Ray 007]I had intended for my second date to be with Lena, but I couldn't find her for a solid hour so opted for another gal high on my do-list, Sandra, a tall and slim blond girl from Aachen. I explained exactly what I wanted--lots of look, touch, etc., and explained I wanted a half hour with no extras. Our session started off great, especially as she had a world-class pussy as a part of a lovely body. I was giving her a thorough pussy massage when she said, "you can put it in both holes"--meaning my fingers. I didn't, however, put my finger in her bum but did some harmless finger insertion in her vagina. Later she swore she had said, "For another 50 you can put it in both holes," but I have my doubts. Needless to say, all went fine until I was back at the cash locker and paid her the 50 I owed her when she pointed out that I owed her another 50 "for both holes." I objected, and suggested that if she insisted I would be happy to speak to a manager.
She passed the word for the manager, and soon an older gentlemen and woman showed up and "Sandra" unloaded to them--in English, courteously enough. There was considerable discussion in German between Sandra and the lady, and I could tell by Sandra's body language that it wasn't going her way. Finally the manageress said to me, "Let us compromise--you give her another 20 . . ." and Sandra said, "No, I want nothing!"
That was fine with me, as she wouldn't get a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] from me if she was on fire, even if it meant getting the heave-ho for good. The manageress went on to apologize, and encouraged me to not let one misunderstanding ruin my opinion of the Palace, etc.
I really don't understand the mentality of girls like Sandra. She turned a great time into a miserable memory. If she had prevailed, did she think that I would just forget? I made a mental note --AGAIN--to make it absolutely clear that I would accept no upsells once a session has begun.
All in all, though, I did have a great time, but trust that you'll give Sandra a wide berth. Or if not, say, "Well, I would like to do you, but I've heard what you did to my pal Johnny--so go pound sand!"[/QUOTE]As there apparently was a heated discussion afterwards, this episode must obviously have stuck in Sandra's mind. Two months later, in May, comes the reply:
[QUOTE=Sandra Red]Listen: finger inside if ass or not, in pussy is 50 € extra. I told you this. Twice! And you went on to do this. So that meant you accepted it. If you put just in pussy and not in ass doesn't matter, it is 50 € extra. YOU told later to the house-chef I didn't tell you for this extra. That is why I did not got my money. And this is not correct from YOU! Because I told you the price and I made you a good time. I never had problem like this just with YOU. I am always correct to the men. So I want from men to be the same to me: correct. And you did not have been. I always do my best to make men happy. And it is no wonder that girls do not work with heart when they had men like you before, who makes show because of 50 € for extra you got.[/QUOTE]EL is nice enough to welcome Sandra to the board:
[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]BTW, welcome to the forum. It would be good to have a woman's perspective here, so stick around.[/QUOTE]Then asks this pertinent question:
[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]So I have a question for you, Sandra. What do the ladies at Palace think of these internet sites, the reviews and the men who write them? Don't hold back.[/QUOTE]And gets this reply:
[QUOTE=Sandra Red]Hi radler,
This is the last thing I will write here, just to answer your question: the most girls doesn't take care of the forums, even some don't still know the forum sites. It is ok if everybody write down what really happened.
But: one girl is not to every customer the same. (you know what I mean, my english is not so goo) that means a girl act always different, f. E. Blow job or sex, depends also on man. So one man write she is the best, an other write she is very bad. I think everybody has to make his own experience and not believe everything what is written in the forums.
Bye[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, Sandra has only one post after that one (which BTW was also a post replying to a post about herself). But who knows, perhaps she is still out there, lurking and perusing together with her fellow SPs.
Ozzy
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[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]I hate to break the news to you, but you aren't worthy of my attention. I may reconsider if you ever post a review or contribute useful information to the forum.
Have a good life.
Regards,
EL[/QUOTE]
We are all waiting for your trip report!
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Trip Report
Special report for Ekliges Lauern,
I was planning to write a trip report, but Mr. EL really hurt my self esteem with his latest reply. I will try again after I gain some confidence & recover from his personal attacks!
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Breaking news!
[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]I hate to break the news to you, but you aren't worthy of my attention. I may reconsider if you ever post a review or contribute useful information to the forum.
Have a good life.
Regards,
EL[/QUOTE]
Vito Corleone is not worth EL's attention!
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ISG Special Report
[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]I hate to break the news to you, but you aren't worthy of my attention. I may reconsider if you ever post a review or contribute useful information to the forum.
Have a good life.
Regards,
EL[/QUOTE]
EL may reconsider if Vito posts a review or contributes useful information to the forum!
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[QUOTE=Dedalus]As to my reporting: You seem to have been banging that drum in my direction for a while now, while leaving others who report less frequently and contribute far less information than I and others do alone. Frankly I find your "Star Chamber" in this regard to be selective and a bit capricious. But this is of course your right.[/QUOTE]
My comments were aimed at both you and Henio as you both have pretty much the same story for why you don't post reviews. We (the forum) were discussing why posters post, lurkers lurk and leeches leech. You both posted an opinion and I responded that I thought your (yours and Henio's) excuses were somewhat weak as your weren't outed because of reviews you wrote, but rather because you shared your internet identity with someone untrustworthy.
I don't really want to be a "star chamber" per se. I do think that those who post reviews contribute more to the forum than those who don't.
[QUOTE=Dedalus]I do think that it was a shame the way you jumped on FG for his remarks. They were in all probability made in jest and not meant to be at all demeaning. Plus, although I was not in the room, I'd almost bet you dollars to doughnuts that FG as helped your buddy compile many of those valuable Anwesenheitsliste.[/QUOTE]
I'll address your second point first. I know the secret of how BC compiles the lists and it does not involve help from FG. Before anyone asks, I intend to take that secret with me to the grave.
As for your first point, FG questioned BC's cred. BC has easily contributed more reviews and actionable intelligence over the last year than anyone else on this board. With all due respect, when FG jumped on BC, I don't see anything wrong in questioning FG's cred. I'm sure he is a nice guy in person. But, he's been around this board since 2006, so it's not like this was his newbee post. As to whether the post was made in jest, it did not come off that way.
[QUOTE=Dedalus]FG's posting Bona Fides may not be so prevalent on this board, but they are quite so on other non-English boards and understanding this might have been useful in helping him feel comfortable sharing is knowledge here as well. Rather than jump ugly with the guy (who BTW is about as friendly a dude that you will meet) it might have paid dividends to get to know him first. Instead, well...we know what happened.[/QUOTE]
That's nice. The guy's been around since 2006, so I'm not sure what he has been waiting for. I really don't think little old me scared him off.
[QUOTE=Dedalus]Frankly, I just don't get the need to be so argumentative. I'm not referring to healthy disagreement and discussion. I respect that and I have no problem with you or anyone else addressing what you perceive as inaccuracies or expressing another opinion. Also I enjoy your reports and find your opinions valuable and interesting. But I don't get argumentative "edge" or the belligerence. It's one of the reasons that I give board dialogue with you a wide berth.[/QUOTE]
I went back and re-read my post and I don't see what you find argumentative or beligerent about it. I disagreed with you and Henio and told you why, which is within the norms of the forum. It kind of reminds me of another poster who when I post disagreeing with him, he immediately claims "personal attack".
Maybe you can point out in that post exactly what you considered argumentative or beligerent.
[QUOTE=Dedalus]Also probably why I didn’t alter my plans so as to meet up with you last year. I seem to recall you taking great offense at that.[/QUOTE]
That was done in jest in response to some of your comments that I considered questionable. Rather than re-dredge up that episode, may I suggest you get over it.
[QUOTE=Dedalus]A blessing on your house my friend,[/QUOTE]
Likewise.
Regards,
EL
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[QUOTE=Ozzy Ozzman]But who knows, perhaps she is still out there, lurking and perusing together with her fellow SPs.[/QUOTE]
She is still reading the board, and the German boards. She's at Paradise right now.
HB
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[QUOTE=Ozzy Ozzman]It starts of in March 2008 when a guy gives a girl a negative review:[/QUOTE]
She seems to have disappeared from the scene (ed. note: I stand corrected based on HB's post). I haven't seen her in my palace visits in about a year. I sessioned with her about three times and always got super nice service from her.
I had suspect she had figured out who I was as service improved for me as after the incident in question, I seemed to be getting her A+ game, not just her A game. Sandra was somewhat professional and I believe she appreciated good reviews as it helped her business. I suspect the only reason she emerged was over concern as to what a negative review was going to do to her business.
At the end of the day, I suspected this was a case of YMMV in a big way. If Sandra thought you were a one time only visitor or didn't like you, the fins emerged. I was known as a semi-regular good customer, so I got her A game. There were other reports back then praising her as well.
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speed limits
gents,
i rented a car on the continent for the first time during my last fkk tour. id booked a merc in keeping with my socio economic status but unfortunately, due to a clerical error they only had a smart car with the sixti signage on the side. anyway overall i feel i did rather well for a first timer.
i was confused by the speed limits on what we call a roads here in the uk. most of the roads i took between the airport and vv were in this class. there were plently of 70 signs and the odd 50 as i went thru a vill, but what i couldnt work out is what speed i could go up to once the 70 restriction ended and how i should know its ended.
i think they must have something equivelant to the national speed limit sign here which doesnt indicate the maximum permissable speed, but means 60 or 70 depending on whether the road is single or multiple carriageway.
please could one of you advise.
thanks
z
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[quote=zelatrix]gents,
i rented a car on the continent for the first time during my last fkk tour. id booked a merc in keeping with my socio economic status but unfortunately, due to a clerical error they only had a smart car with the sixti signage on the side. anyway overall i feel i did rather well for a first timer.
i was confused by the speed limits on what we call a roads here in the uk. most of the roads i took between the airport and vv were in this class. there were plently of 70 signs and the odd 50 as i went thru a vill, but what i couldnt work out is what speed i could go up to once the 70 restriction ended and how i should know its ended.
i think they must have something equivelant to the national speed limit sign here which doesnt indicate the maximum permissable speed, but means 60 or 70 depending on whether the road is single or multiple carriageway.
please could one of you advise.
thanks
z[/quote] speed limit on a country road in germany is 100 km/h if there is no indicated restriction on it.
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Nice one thanks very much Henio.
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Swine Flu and Mongerers
World Health Organization declares swine flu pandemic
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/news/2009/06/090611_pandemic_nh_sl.shtml[/url]
What are your latest thoughts on catching swine flu in German sex clubs?
Have any of you guys caught it yet?
Has anyone heard of any working girl that may have caught it for instance?
Are we at a bigger risk of being infected by visiting these clubs than the general population who dont visit?
I assume the girls have a bigger risk of catching swine flu because they come into much closer proximity with strangers than the average person?
Have any of you guys stopped visiting sex clubs for fear of catching it?
Please give your feedback cos I am concerned about this. After all condoms wont stop swine flu.
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[QUOTE=Wan King]World Health Organization declares swine flu pandemic
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/news/2009/06/090611_pandemic_nh_sl.shtml[/url]
What are your latest thoughts on catching swine flu in German sex clubs?
Have any of you guys caught it yet?
Has anyone heard of any working girl that may have caught it for instance?
Are we at a bigger risk of being infected by visiting these clubs than the general population who dont visit?
I assume the girls have a bigger risk of catching swine flu because they come into much closer proximity with strangers than the average person?
Have any of you guys stopped visiting sex clubs for fear of catching it?
Please give your feedback cos I am concerned about this. After all condoms wont stop swine flu.[/QUOTE]
In the US, the mortality rate is running at 0.1%. So no, I'm not concerned nor will it affect my mongering habits.
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[QUOTE=Wan King]...sex clubs for fear of catching it?
Please give your feedback cos I am concerned about this. After all condoms wont stop swine flu.[/QUOTE] I am wearing an airtight full body size condom. The biggest problem is the oxygen tank I have to drag along, but it is a great conversation starter in the clubs.
Anyways, not worried about the swine flu any more than any other flu. I used to catch all kind of flu shit doing FKK stuff years back, but got into the habit of using Listering mouthwash before and after sessions and eating the Listerine thins from the pocket packs in between that and it has kept me away from getting catching any kind of flu or other similar crap for the last few years.
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Airtight full body size condom...
[QUOTE=Henio]I am wearing an airtight full body size condom. The biggest problem is the oxygen tank I have to drag along, but it is a great conversation starter in the clubs.
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Henio, I see you wrote this at 2.14am.
So I'm wondering if you sleep in that condom as well?
If so, I presume you have to sleep on your belly or is the oxygen tank detachable?