[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]I thought tourist visa maixmum was 60 days?[/QUOTE]Probably yes, but a business visa is max 90 and just as easy to get as a tourist visa, just costs $50 more or so.
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[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]I thought tourist visa maixmum was 60 days?[/QUOTE]Probably yes, but a business visa is max 90 and just as easy to get as a tourist visa, just costs $50 more or so.
Hello,
I will be in two weeks in Moscow for business and I will stay at Grand Marriott hotel . My questions is easy to bring girls in this hotel ? My second question ; where I can pick up beautifull girls NF or HD ? ( forget the price) .
Thanks in advance.
For any russian visa issued on or after October 18, 2007, unless that visa specifically authorizes employment or study, a foreigner may stay in Russia only 90 days in any 180-day period. This applies to business, tourist, humanitarian and cultural visas, among other categories.
So you can stay those 90 days in one pass - usually bussines visa.
Or you can come for 30 days every second month - if you can get tourist visa this way without raising suspision and you're willing to spend the money.
Touris visa 60 days or is it 30 days - forgot about this.
Staying more than 90 days is hard.
The solution is work permit, not registering your own bussines but finding job in Russia if this is solution.
Getting into university and paying for it but again this is not for everybody.
Getting married to russian citizen and staying on that account if you're not already married and this rules are also complicated.
So the only real way to stay in Russia for 2 years and longer is emplyment in Russia and long term study.
Even for this russian government has quotas how many foreigners will be issued permits to work and study in Russia. Recently EU in the form of Havier Solana wanted Russia to increase this number but president Medvedev told him to get lost.
About those representative office accreditation maybe it's possible if you can bribe somebody in the russian government but again this is not a guarantee you will be able to stay for a longer period.
Joe,
Forget about HD and NF, they are just a waste of time.
The hottest babes in Moscow are at Aurora 911. They are also expensive. But you indicated price was not a problem.
If you are staying at the Marriott Grand, it's within walking distance.
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a business visa is just as easy to get as a tourist visa
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If you don't have any business in Russia, how do you get a business visa?
I know it was simple in 2005 to get my Ukraine 5 year business visa, my Kiev travel agent just faxed me phony paperwork. But I don't think anyone at their consulate cared.
[QUOTE=Razkolnikov]This is a bit off topic. I'm looking for a way to stay in Moscow for more than the 90 out of 180 days currently allowed. I hope / plan to stay for 2+ years but the rules seem impossible at the moment. I've read different advice, but haven't found a solution yet.
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You have 5 options, and none is very good (or cheap):
Work permit would be ideal. Once in, you can even renew internally and never leave Russia. But you need to have employment with a legal entity (eg company) which is accredited and has applied and been accepted to hire foreigners. Even for those of us working for international firms with boatloads of migration lawyers behind them, this is a major pain in the zadnitsa. I'm guessing the minimum price for someone like you (self-employed) will be $5K to $10K each year (and no, those figures are not in rubles).
Second option, you marry a Russian citizen and get the equivalent of a Green Card. For one thing, it's more difficult than getting a Green Card, and for another, you will have to apply to leave the country (for an exit visa) during the interim period before you get the permit.
Third option, you get a student visa. This will cost you some amount of tuition and probably bribes to ensure they don't flunk you for not showing up. :)
Fourth option, you get a second passport. This is permitted in most countries if you have a good reason - like travelling between Israel and the Arab world with any frequency. Then you "ping pong" between the two passports with 1 year multi-entry business visas. You'll still need to leave every 90 days, but could go someplace cheap (like Ukraine), just to get the passport stamped so that you can come back in on the other passport/visa. You'd figure it'd be pretty easy for them to crack down on this, but apparently they haven't yet, as several of my colleagues are using this method.
Fifth option, you forego the multi-entry visas and just use single/dual-entry business visas good for 90 days. Yes, this requires your leaving Russia quite often to renew your visa, so not a cheap option either.
All-in-all, if you can get a second passport, I'd recommend that method.
Best of luck!
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Joe,
Forget about HD and NF, they are just a waste of time.
The hottest babes in Moscow are at Aurora 911. They are also expensive. But you indicated price was not a problem.
If you are staying at the Marriott Grand, it's within walking distance.[/QUOTE]
Was in Aurora 911 last week, as a matter of fact, entertaining some visitors. I'd only been to Aurora once (with Strav actually), but couldn't stay long that time so I decided a follow-up visit was in order. It appears to be *THE* strip club in Moscow these days. For one thing, the location is awesomely central, and the prices are quite good for the kind of place it is. At 11pm on this particuar weeknight it was packed, and there was practically no seating available except at the bar and the "restaurant" upstairs. We sat upstairs on the balcony as a warm-up, but dancers sadly aren't allowed up there. Still, it afforded us an eagle's eye view of the action. From my cursory count, there were 40 dancers (good bodies all, but faces on the whole only so-so), 10 waitress (hotter than the dancers, with a couple stunners), 5 bartenders (also hot) and a couple hostesses (who are the hottest by far). The format is well known by now: 100R in-situ full-nude lap dances, 1000R privates, and upwards of 10K for FS (some girls quoted much higher). Like the old Safari, some girls "specialize" in dances, whereas others want FS only. Unlike the old Safari, the girls here aren't very aggressive. A simple "no, thanks" is enough to chase off most of them (unlike Safari, where I often had to start insulting their mothers and threatening physical violence). On the other hand, I found the girls at Aurora to be cold and uninterested. One girl left in the middle of the dance without saying a word, or even asking for money - and I wasn't even pawing this particular one! I figured maybe it was her time on stage, but no, she immediately went to the next booth and asked some (uninterested) geezer in a suit if he wanted a dance. Maybe it was because I was dressed in jeans and a club shirt, whereas this is decidedly a suit and/or white buttondown sorta place. Understand - I'm no spring chicken, but among the clientele in Aurora, I must have been one of the youngest there. Possibly she thought I didn't have enough money to keep her attention. Not all girls were like that, and a couple did show some genuine interest, but even then, they were 100% opposed to surrendering their digits. This is unlike every other strip club I've been to in Moscow where the girls are usually begging to hook up outside the club. They said they'd get fired if caught doing anything like that, and from the fear in their eyes, I'm guessing it might be more than just getting fired. Without a doubt - the club wants their cut on any action involving their girls. Another minor thing that bugged me about Aurora is that it's cavernous - the opposite of cozy. Much more like that of an American strip club than what I'm used to here.
In summary... for entertaining, it's a good place as the service is fast, prices are reasonable, and overall scenery is nice. But for getting my groove on, at least, it fell short of the mark. If I could have hooked up with the Latina-looking waitress I had my eye on, maybe my story would have be different though!
Who was the first person to talk about 911 Aurora recently? Me.
This is the prove that my words are always a guarantee.
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Joe,
Forget about HD and NF, they are just a waste of time.
The hottest babes in Moscow are at Aurora 911. They are also expensive. But you indicated price was not a problem.
If you are staying at the Marriott Grand, it's within walking distance.[/QUOTE]
What do you mean for 10k full service? At least a two hours fucking three holes?
P. S. Don't look at my Polina!
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Was in Aurora 911 last week, as a matter of fact, entertaining some visitors. I'd only been to Aurora once (with Strav actually), but couldn't stay long that time so I decided a follow-up visit was in order. It appears to be *THE* strip club in Moscow these days. For one thing, the location is awesomely central, and the prices are quite good for the kind of place it is. At 11pm on this particuar weeknight it was packed, and there was practically no seating available except at the bar and the "restaurant" upstairs. We sat upstairs on the balcony as a warm-up, but dancers sadly aren't allowed up there. Still, it afforded us an eagle's eye view of the action. From my cursory count, there were 40 dancers (good bodies all, but faces on the whole only so-so), 10 waitress (hotter than the dancers, with a couple stunners), 5 bartenders (also hot) and a couple hostesses (who are the hottest by far). The format is well known by now: 100R in-situ full-nude lap dances, 1000R privates, and upwards of 10K for FS (some girls quoted much higher). Like the old Safari, some girls "specialize" in dances, whereas others want FS only. Unlike the old Safari, the girls here aren't very aggressive. A simple "no, thanks" is enough to chase off most of them (unlike Safari, where I often had to start insulting their mothers and threatening physical violence). On the other hand, I found the girls at Aurora to be cold and uninterested. One girl left in the middle of the dance without saying a word, or even asking for money. And I wasn't even pawing this particular one! I figured maybe it was her time on stage, but no, she immediately went to the next booth and asked some (uninterested) geezer in a suit if he wanted a dance. Maybe it was because I was dressed in jeans and a club shirt, whereas this is decidedly a suit and/or white buttondown sorta place. Understand. I'm no spring chicken, but among the clientele in Aurora, I must have been one of the youngest there. Possibly she thought I didn't have enough money to keep her attention. Not all girls were like that, and a couple did show some genuine interest, but even then, they were 100% opposed to surrendering their digits. This is unlike every other strip club I've been to in Moscow where the girls are usually begging to hook up outside the club. They said they'd get fired if caught doing anything like that, and from the fear in their eyes, I'm guessing it might be more than just getting fired. Without a doubt. The club wants their cut on any action involving their girls. Another minor thing that bugged me about Aurora is that it's cavernous. The opposite of cozy. Much more like that of an American strip club than what I'm used to here.
In summary. For entertaining, it's a good place as the service is fast, prices are reasonable, and overall scenery is nice. But for getting my groove on, at least, it fell short of the mark. If I could have hooked up with the Latina-looking waitress I had my eye on, maybe my story would have be different though! [/QUOTE]
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work permit would be minimum price for someone like you (self-employed) will be $5k to $10k.
second option, you marry a russian citizen.
the student visa will cost you tuition and bribes.
fourth option, you get a second passport. this is permitted if you travel between israel and the arab world with frequency.
fifth option, business visas good for 90 days.
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option 5 price is still the same as option 1, requiring a company accredited by the russian foreign ministry to hire foreigners, and all details about your background, employment history, and all details about what your work for the company in russia will involve, where you will stay, for how long, bla bal bla. if you're planning to 'fake' all those documents, you better be ready for problems with the authorities.
not getting married, doing middle east shuttle diplomacy or paying for university, then option 2, 3, and 4 won't help you either.
in putin's world, best option these days is always to tell the truth and avoid problems. he's not a fool, nor does he appreciate it if your intention is to scam him.
heavy ft mongering, that is, cars of girls and pimps and mamachkas coming and going 24/7 and neighbors watching this and heavy internet traffic on sex and student websites is certainly less complicated when the authorities know your nothing more than another bloody tourist there for monkey business alone.
3 days before i was to leave, i had arranged a first time meeting a girlfriend of a girlfriend in the street. while waiting inside my flat for her to arrive, i noticed just below my window at least 20 soldiers, police, and plainclothes cops all milling around.
once she called me, she was standing only 20 feet form the soldiers, so from 100 yards away on the phone, i made her play a little james bond game and meet me on another street, since i had no desire to be seen meeting a university student that looked 30 years younger than me at noon on a thursday in the main street and then walking directly into my stairway with her. my russian is so bad, this took 10 phone calls and 15 minutes to get her to walk 1 block away. then we took the long way through the alleys behind the buildings, but still in plain sight for anyone in the apartments and offices in the back. once we got inside, i peeked out the window and all the soldiers were preparing to leave, so we waited a few minutes to get started.
just playing it safe.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Fifth option, you forego the multi-entry visas and just use single/dual-entry business visas good for 90 days. Yes, this requires your leaving Russia quite often to renew your visa, so not a cheap option either.[/QUOTE]Am I missing something? Used to be business visas were good for 1 year. Has that changed?
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]In summary... for entertaining, it's a good place as the service is fast, prices are reasonable, and overall scenery is nice. But for getting my groove on, at least, it fell short of the mark. If I could have hooked up with the Latina-looking waitress I had my eye on, maybe my story would have be different though![/QUOTE]Pizdyets,
My night at Aurora was some kind of a special party night. Not sure what it was all about, but they let me in anyway, even though I was not on "the list". So procedures may have been different for that particular night, and they may also change over time as the management, and the girls, acquire a better understanding of just how much money they can extract from the clientele, based on what they've got to offer.
The VIP Kabinyets, that are used for FS, have different rates. Apparently some rooms are nicer than others and nicer rooms cost more. That could be an explanation for why some girls quoted a higher price than others. They may have been trying to upgrade you to a better room.
Didn't have any problem with cold, detached dyeffki on the night I was there, but there was also a special kind of party atmosphere in effect that evening, so maybe that made a difference.
You're right about one thing, they are in business to make money (like every other business, I believe) and it was my impression that every girl there was on the menu, literally. Except maybe for the bartenders. The Crazy Menu had prices for the waitresses and hostesses: for 1000 руб. your waitress would serve you topless for 30 min, or nude for 15 min, something like that. There were also prices for the hostesses. I imagine you could have hooked up with that Latina-looking waitress, if you wanted to pay the price. That thought occurred to me the night I was there, but sadly, I forgot to bring my Molybdenum Amex card. :)
It does seem to be a kind of hybrid club: an efficiently managed money making machine in a big spacious venue, like you might find in the U.S., but with all the advantages of Russia; gorgeous babes, sex on site, full nudity + full bar, not to mention take-out. And, of course, that unique atmosphere of "anything goes" that can only be found in Russia.
Contrast this with the old stand-by: Night Flight. I stopped by on my last trip, mainly for historical reference purposes, you understand. ;) It was a Sunday night, around midnight. They wanted 1100 руб. to get in. The place was very quiet, maybe 4 or 5 guys and about 3x as many girls. The place would have been as quiet as a tomb, if not for the dance music blaring away. Not sure why, since there was no one on the dance floor, and wouldn't be for the rest of the night.
The first thing I noticed was the quality of the girls. They looked more like Hot Dog's... on a good night. Time was, a NF girl was something special, but many of these girls looked like they stumbled in off the street and ended up staying for a drink. One of them was giving me "the eye", so I invited her over to chat. She looked to be in her mid 30's and she appeared pleasant enough, but no more so than 1,000's of other women in Moscow. Four or five years ago, she never would have made it past the front door. I asked her what the going rate was to take a girl out and she said 500 USD. I suggested that maybe this might be a little too much, but she was adamant that no girl would ever leave NF for less. I made it clear that I would not pay that much and she politely excused herself to leave.
Of course, there was no place for her to go, except back to the table to sit and razgovarivari with her padrugi. About 15-20 minutes later she came back to sit with me again. She knew there was no possibility for me to be customer, but that was not her intent. She knew I was an American and she said she had an important question for me. She started working at NF in 2007 and at that time the place was full of Americans, with lots of money to spend. What she wanted to know was: what happened to all the Americans? Over the past 3 or 4 months, they all disappeared. Apparently, it's very seldom now that the girls in NF see an American. She was naturally a little concerned to see 50% of her best customers disappear and she wanted to understand why. She said she was afraid that America didn't like Russia any more and that was why they stopped coming.
I assured her this was not the case, and explained that most of the Americans she met when she started working at NF were, most likely, businessmen who either owned their own, successful, company or they worked for a company who paid to send them to Russia for business reasons. In either event, they were not spending their own money, the company was paying for the good times. Now, the situation is different. Business is not so good and companies have to be careful about how they spend their money and they simply do not want to spend money to send people to Moscow.
This didn't seem to make sense to her because she still met European men at NF; Italians, French, German and British. Why not Americans? Something I've noticed about Russians is that it's difficult for them to understand just how far away America is. They can read a map like everyone else, but when you tell them that it can take 24 hours to travel from the U.S. to Moscow, they are surprised. I explained to her that time is money, and the distance between the U.S. and Russia makes it more expensive for Americans to travel. She gave me a puzzled look. The concept of time=money is one that has yet to fully sink into the Russian psyche.
On my way out, I passed her at the coat check. She was also on her way out, alone. I couldn't help but wonder how many nights she will go home empty handed before she understands that the party is over.
Out on the street, there was the usual gaggle of Militsia and taxis. Why is it that the Militsia only hang out at Hot Dog and NF? Maybe they don't know the party's over either.
Of course, having seen Aurora, it's clear now that there are still Americans in Moscow, maybe not as many, but they are definitely there. They just found something better than NF.
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]You're right about one thing, they are in business to make money (like every other business, I believe) and it was my impression that every girl there was on the menu, literally. Except maybe for the bartenders. The Crazy Menu had prices for the waitresses and hostesses: for 1000 руб. your waitress would serve you topless for 30 min, or nude for 15 min, something like that. There were also prices for the hostesses. I imagine you could have hooked up with that Latina-looking waitress, if you wanted to pay the price. That thought occurred to me the night I was there, but sadly, I forgot to bring my Molybdenum Amex card. :)
...And, of course, that unique atmosphere of "anything goes" that can only be found in Russia.[/QUOTE]Yes, the idea that you can buy any girl in the place is a powerful drug.
I wonder what the deal is for the non-strippers - the waitresses and bar tenders? If they really are hookers, why not admit it and make more money as dancer/hooker? It is true that on the "crazy menu" they cost more for sex than a stripper, but they must get much less business, despite sometimes being cuter, because the prices are stupidly expensive. But I think their appeal has more to do with "forbidden fruit" than physical superiority - even though they are not actually forbidden, just exclusively priced. But does it mean that virtually any girl in Moscow is available given the right price?
[QUOTE]The concept of time=money is one that has yet to fully sink into the Russian psyche.[/QUOTE] A curious bit of cognative dissonance coming from a hooker!
[QUOTE]On my way out, I passed her at the coat check. She was also on her way out, alone. I couldn't help but wonder how many nights she will go home empty handed before she understands that the party is over.
Out on the street, there was the usual gaggle of Militsia and taxis. Why is it that the Militsia only hang out at Hot Dog and NF? Maybe they don't know the party's over either.[/QUOTE]Wow, $500 non-negotiable at NF, even with the "crisis"! You didn't offer her $250 as she went home empty-handed"?
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Am I missing something? Used to be business visas were good for 1 year. Has that changed?[/QUOTE]Business visas are good for a year (Europeans can even get a 5-year visa) but during the year you are limited to no more than 90 days within any 180 day period.
Bez:Biz visas aren't so expensive, about $600 incl. invite. Shop around.
[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]Yes, the idea that you can buy any girl in the place is a powerful drug.
I wonder what the deal is for the non-strippers - the waitresses and bar tenders? If they really are hookers, why not admit it and make more money as dancer/hooker? It is true that on the "crazy menu" they cost more for sex than a stripper, but they must get much less business, despite sometimes being cuter, because the prices are stupidly expensive. But I think their appeal has more to do with "forbidden fruit" than physical superiority - even though they are not actually forbidden, just exclusively priced. But does it mean that virtually any girl in Moscow is available given the right price?[/QUOTE]No, I don't think every girl in Moscow is available given the right price. As Pizdyets noted, even among the strippers, there are some who can be bought for full service and some who are just there to dance. That's their call. I think the waitresses consider themselves to be just a little bit higher up on the food chain than the dancers in that they are not necessarily selling their bodies, they have a "real job". The hostesses are obviously the T-rex of the food chain. While they are not there primarily for sex, they might be persuaded to leave with the right guy at the right price. The point is, anything goes, and, to a certain extent, what you end up with is a matter of your game, your negotiation skills and the size of your wallet. And that, as you say, is a powerful drug. Assuming you can afford it.
[QUOTE]Wow, $500 non-negotiable at NF, even with the "crisis"! You didn't offer her $250 as she went home empty-handed"?[/QUOTE]I never offered her anything. I suggested that maybe $500 was too much and that, given the circumstances, she might want to reconsider her postion. She didn't, and not being a remarkable girl, I was perfectly happy to leave her where she was. Sometimes the only real power we have is to keep our money (and our dick) in our pants. I bid her "spokoinoi nochi" as I left and she saw me leave alone, as well. I'm sure the lesson was not lost on her.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Business visas are good for a year (Europeans can even get a 5-year visa) but during the year you are limited to no more than 90 days within any 180 day period.[/QUOTE]OK, thanks Doc. That makes sense.
[QUOTE=Stravinsky] I'm sure the lesson was not lost on her.[/QUOTE]Actually, it probably was. Ive taught dozens of girls "a lesson" in similar fashion, but I doubt any of them actually learned anything from it.
It is a mystery yet to be solved...
[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]Option 5 price is still the same as option 1, requiring a company accredited by the Russian Foreign Ministry to hire foreigners, and all details about your background, employment history, and all details about what your work for the company in Russia will involve, where you will stay, for how long, bla bal bla. If you're planning to 'fake' all those documents, you better be ready for problems with the authorities.
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Bezzie - you really don't know anything about this, do you? I, however, have been living this hell for many years, and I can tell you that a business visa is a jog in the park while a work permit is more like the Ironman Triathlon. Anyone can get a business visa with no documents at all - unless you count your passport and a photo. Just takes cash (on the order of [i]just[/i] $500) and a few days. Same can NOT be said of a work permit.
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Not getting married, doing Middle East shuttle diplomacy or paying for University, then Option 2, 3, and 4 won't help you either.
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So what's your proposal? Don't live in Russia? Incidentally, one of my buddies was telling me a funny story about an American expat who's been living here for 15 years with absolutely no documents at all! I've never met the guy, but apparently he's never left Russia since entering, and whenever he gets stopped on the street (which is rare, given that he blends in so well at this point), he just drops them 500R and goes along on his way! No doubt there are Russians who have overstayed their visas in the US, so I just think of it as payback. :)
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]I imagine you could have hooked up with that Latina-looking waitress, if you wanted to pay the price. That thought occurred to me the night I was there, but sadly, I forgot to bring my Molybdenum Amex card. :)
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Ironically, I had a wallet full of cash and was plenty ready to spend it. And the waitresses did get topless at one point and stayed that way until we left. My little pseudo-latina had her arms coyly crossed when she wasn't shuttling drinks - trying to hide her breasts. I'd almost feel guilty if I made her get fully naked in that environment. I did play with the idea of slipping her a 1K note just to judge her reaction, but figured it'd probably just be a waste of money. If I do go back (and hell - it's almost inevitable), I'll see what it'd take to bed her.
[QUOTE]Not sure why, since there was no one on the dance floor, and wouldn't be for the rest of the night.[/QUOTE]
I can't recall seeing anyone dancing at Nightflight... ever. There are other clubs for that sort of thing. LOL.
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The first thing I noticed was the quality of the girls. They looked more like Hot Dog's... on a good night.
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What struck me last time I went (back in early May with Bez) was the increased number of Asians. Half the girls seemed to be from the 'stans. Still, I'd say that most of them looked pretty good. It certainly wasn't 100/0/0 stunning/fuckable/reject, but maybe 30/40/30. And it only takes one girl (at a time) to make ole' Pizdyets happy!
I'm one of those unlucky ones that does a Businezz Visa every 3 months, I have two main choices, Fast and expensive, or slow and cheap.
The Visa Invite letter can be done at many places (visatorussia.com) and, time managed, you'll get it 2 weeks before you need it for $80. Then its either a $1200 flight to San Fransisco, where they'll do the visa in one day for $300,
or, if you like the Nordic beauties too, pop up for a stay for 5-10 days (dependant on your country of origin and country you apply in) and rustle up some blonde viking Valkyries for a few days.
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As for 911, I dated one of the bartenders, she had a great set of norks ready for the world to see, yet insisted on keeping them packaged for the first 3 dates.. But she did reveal that given the right loooking gentleman, and the right cash, she might have crossed the line.
I'm under the opinion, they choose to put the hotties on as bar-staff and hostess, so you'll want them more and pay them more.. but thats just too western thinking surely.
[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]If you don't have any business in Russia, how do you get a business visa?[/QUOTE]It doesn't have to be your own business, seems any business can invite you. A number of web sites even sell the invitations just like the tourist invitations, so no problem.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]
What struck me last time I went (back in early May with Bez) was the increased number of Asians.
Half the girls seemed to be from the 'stans.
Still, I'd say that most of them looked pretty good.
It certainly wasn't 100/0/0 stunning/fuckable/reject, but maybe 30/40/30.
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Hey I know you had a few Warsteiners, but 30% stunners at HD on THAT night?
I don't even remember seeing one!
I was plenty tired, but 100% sober.
The one table of four Kyrgizzy tarts we watched were obviously not working and thus ignoring every guy, which is why I was interested, as I always prefer the least eager types as a personal challenge. :D
But my sluts radar was seeing about 0/15/85, as they were all looking +21 years with plenty of mileage. I don't recall seeing even 1 amateur younger student-type 18-19 years, though I wasn't scouring the place, or even wearing contacts so I could see clearly. So maybe I shouldn't say anything, but the parade of tramps and skanks that kept trying to sell themselves to me were all rejects, compared to many of the tasty treats I was spoiled by in the provinces. Really more of just a different 'flavor', and there's nothing wrong there, just not my taste. I still wish we would have tochka'd it up that night, and will insist on that next time. :p
It would be so fucking boring if we all wanted the same thing, you know?
I know that sounds very arrogant and conceited, I'll just have to live with it. I certainly appreciated the effort that Piz made to show me the ropes, that was real ISG class.
What a monger!
[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]Hey I know you had a few Warsteiners, but 30% stunners at HD on THAT night?
I don't even remember seeing one!
I was plenty tired, but 100% sober.
The one table of four Kyrgizzy tarts we watched were obviously not working and thus ignoring every guy, which is why I was interested, as I always prefer the least eager types as a personal challenge. :D
But my sluts radar was seeing about 0/15/85, as they were all looking +21 years with plenty of mileage. I don't recall seeing even 1 amateur younger student-type 18-19 years, though I wasn't scouring the place, or even wearing contacts so I could see clearly. So maybe I shouldn't say anything, but the parade of tramps and skanks that kept trying to sell themselves to me were all rejects, compared to many of the tasty treats I was spoiled by in the provinces. Really more of just a different 'flavor', and there's nothing wrong there, just not my taste. I still wish we would have tochka'd it up that night, and will insist on that next time. :p
It would be so fucking boring if we all wanted the same thing, you know?
I know that sounds very arrogant and conceited, I'll just have to live with it. I certainly appreciated the effort that Piz made to show me the ropes, that was real ISG class.
What a monger![/QUOTE]
Not HD. I was referring to NF. And I think you'll admit there were some hotties there that night. Unlike HD, which as you pointed out was undeniably dismal...
It's sad that a city of over 15M has only 2 hooker bars, and both suck - and not in the BBBJCIMYUMYUM way.
[QUOTE=Scoubidou]Korston (Kossyguine Street) is very girls frindly hotel.
Before it name was ORLYONOK (this is what taxi drivers know.)
There are a lot of girls after 21:00 inside because first floor is a big casino (Casino de Paris and VIP Club Napoleon) and there is 911 erotic club (expensible).
I use this hotel when I'm in MOCKBA since 2000, never get a problem to bring back a girl.
Girls at hotel is equivalent of 100..EUR/one hour. One shot.[/QUOTE]
I visited Korston recently. The cost is 200$ for one hour one shot. But I negotiated to $200 for two shots and flexible time limit. No problem going to the room. You use your room card to open the corridor door and nobody is checking. There are 8-10 girls near the bar after 10.30 (pm). I picked two young great looking girls on two different nights (Olena and Larisa). One told me she was a student. The service was great on both occasions. In fact the second time I made the mistake of leaving the money on the table and she grabbed them very quickly. I thought she will do a lousy service afterwards but I was mistaken. I think she stayed for almost two hours. Of course she cleaned the mini bar :) I recommend this hotel very highly. There is also a very nice Casino (where I won $600 playing blackjack). I did not try the nightclub (911) because I was satisfied with the quality of the girls at the bar. There were 2-3 other girls I wanted to do but run out of time!
I had a great 'romp in the hay' this afternoon with a skinny, big-titted, cute and young Ukrainian girl (from Lugansk) for a mere $80 (yes, US dollars). How can you duplicate this? Well, how about paying me for services? :) Or, you can just read for yourself on sextalk.ru. They have everything there that you could ever wish for when it comes to p4p in Moscow. But you need to be able to read Russian (and not just textbook Russian, but slang as well).
P,
Was this a girl you saw reviewed in КЛС?
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Was this a girl you saw reviewed in КЛС?[/QUOTE]
Here's what I did:
1) Used intimcity.ru to search what I wanted, where, and for how much (they seem to have a good selection compared to the other popular internet sites)
2) Using the phone number for the girl, search for reviews on sextalk.ru, rusdosug, etc...
3) Read her reviews and/or reviews of the salon in which she works
4) Call the number, ensure the girl I want is working, get the 'coordinates' and go there!
It took maybe 45 minutes, and was it worth it! But I'll admit that reading КЛС (Клуб Любителей Секса - Sex Lovers' Club) is a challenge even for me. The majority of the guys there are Russian and want to 'strut their stuff' when it comes to writing - either by using 'street talk' or by rising above that and using literary language. The rare review I see from a foreigner is usually mocked unless the guy has some mad skilz in Russian (unlike here where English is primarily a lingua franca).
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]
Here's what I did:
Used intimcity.ru to search how much for the salon
Call the number, ensure the girl I want is working
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You been there all this time and JUST found this now?
Or this is what you always did?
[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]You been there all this time and JUST found this now?
Or this is what you always did?[/QUOTE]
Honestly, I'd usually go for the "known" places which charge from $125 to $145 an hour: Charmel, Fantasy's, ElitTV. The selection is always good, no matter what hour you show up, they're centrally located, the rooms are top-notch and the service is as well.
Bezzie... you well know I have cash, but somehow I don't always want to spend it (I must lack that Novy Russky gene!) So this time I looked for a "budgetny variant" and found that it was not all that different from what I'd been spending much more on.
I've also done research on the 2000/chasik ($65/hr) and 1500/chasik ($50/hr) level, but was afraid of venturing down that low and encountering a room full of "goblins". Still, given how much discussion has been made on the upper limit for p4p (ie NightFlight), it'd make for an interesting exercise to explore the lower limit for a satisfactory p4p experience in Moscow.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]
I usually go for $125 to $145 an hour, selection always good.
So this time I looked for a budget and found that it was not all that different.
I've also done research on $65/hr and $50/hr level, but was afraid of encountering goblins.
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If the fotos have always shown what you're gonna get, why would you be worried?
Other than how nice the salon is, that is, upscale establishment in the center vs. dumpy flophouse in questionable neighborhood?
[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]If the fotos have always shown what you're gonna get, why would you be worried?[/QUOTE]You're obviously playing the Devil's advocate.
As we all know...
The photos don't always show you what you're gonna get. That's why you read the reviews on sextalk.ru, to get first hand info about the girl, if she's real or not.
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]You're obviously playing the Devil's advocate.
As we all know...
The photos don't always show you what you're gonna get. That's why you read the reviews on sextalk.ru, to get first hand info about the girl, if she's real or not.[/QUOTE]
Almost all the photos on these sites are doctored in some way. But worse, dispatchers from unscrupulous "apartmenty" and salons will often outright lie, claiming that the girl you want is there when she actually left months ago or never worked there in the first place. sextalk.ru is littered with these sob stories.
But getting back to the strategy I outlined, there's one problem with it. If you only consider "proven" girls, they'll all be relatively high-mileage and less likely to give GFE. But if you're looking for GFE, then a salon isn't your best bet either...
BTW, this is the girl I met: [url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=70060[/url]
Photos are 80% real. She is in actuality very thin (I would have guessed less than the 55 kg she has listed on her anketa), making her natural B cups look more like C cups. And she has a great ass and legs. Face is a little older than in the pics, with a bit of acne, and what I consider a big nose (I'm picky when it comes to noses - preferring buttons up to medium). Still, the overall effect was very favorable.
In this particular salon, there are 4 other girls ranging from 5s to 7s. 3 rooms + 1 bathroom. The quality of the salon can't touch that of the big 3 (Fantasy's/Charmel/ElitTV), but it's not disgusting either. Slippers are offered at the door, as was tea/coffee/water (possibly something stronger too, though I didn't ask). Only complaint is that the matress was too thin - when Nastya was jackhammering me in RCG, I could plainly feel the boards under my ass. Oh, and though they had AC, they weren't using it. Meaning on that particular afternoon, it was 30C or more in the room. Made for some very "steamy" sex - though not altogether unpleasant!
[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]Hey I know you had a few Warsteiners, but 30% stunners at HD on THAT night?
I don't even remember seeing one!
I was plenty tired, but 100% sober.
The one table of four Kyrgizzy tarts we watched were obviously not working and thus ignoring every guy, which is why I was interested, as I always prefer the least eager types as a personal challenge. :D
But my sluts radar was seeing about 0/15/85, as they were all looking +21 years with plenty of mileage. I don't recall seeing even 1 amateur younger student-type 18-19 years, though I wasn't scouring the place, or even wearing contacts so I could see clearly. So maybe I shouldn't say anything, but the parade of tramps and skanks that kept trying to sell themselves to me were all rejects, compared to many of the tasty treats I was spoiled by in the provinces. Really more of just a different 'flavor', and there's nothing wrong there, just not my taste. I still wish we would have tochka'd it up that night, and will insist on that next time. :p
It would be so fucking boring if we all wanted the same thing, you know?
I know that sounds very arrogant and conceited, I'll just have to live with it. I certainly appreciated the effort that Piz made to show me the ropes, that was real ISG class.
What a monger![/QUOTE]Have been to Hotdog, 1 was 7 other from 3 to 5. Approached the 7 and her friend (5) with my friend. She asked 900$ for a sexy party. Negotiated to 600$ (300 each) but still not worthwhile for the ratio quality/price.
Honestly been there just one time. Had to pay entrance. Seems quite a rip off.
Any suggetions for a reliable apartment rental agency for short term rent in Moscow? Quality and location more important than price.
Hi guys,
As I got many useful informations from this forum I want to share my experience from my first trip to moscow (together with some of my buddies).
On our first night we had dinner at Cafe Pushkin and therefore decided to go to Nightflight (just around the corner). About 20 girls present, rated 5-8. They asked for 500 $ and settled for 300 € at last. I know, too much. But we don't speak Russian. My buddies had some silicone enhanced girls who delivered a medicocre service. I picked a nice blondinka, about 1.70 m, slim, nice little natural tits, obviously a semi- or non pro. She was enthusiastic in BBBJ and covered fucking and very charming. Although I was tired after that (about 3 am, alcohol.) she was not and gave me an absolutely great BBBJ with CIM. One of the best I ever got in my life. She stayed with me till the morning. I should have ordered he again next day.
On day 2 we choose 911 Aurora: about 20 girls, naked, Rated 6-8. Good strip show, private lap dance 1000 Rbl. One of my buddies got a BBBJ and CIM during the third lap dance. Fucking 10.000 Rbl. I did not find a girl interesting for me as some of them stated "no sex" after a lap dance. So I left while my buddy was enthusiastic next day because in the end at around 4 am he was the single man in the club and the girls were willing to do anything for little money. He would move to Moscow to have that every day. On our last day we tried Aurora again but the mood had changed that day. We didn't get back the change (800 Rbl entrance fee), beer was 200 Rbl instead of 180 the day before and so on. I again did not find a girl there and headed for Nightflight with my third buddy. There a tall. 1, 80., slim girl who spoke perfect english approached me and because it was 3 am already I took her with me while my buddy took a Chinese looking girl. Same damage. Back in my hotel room BBBJ, not too bad covered fucking and massage afterwards. Certainly nothing to repeat. Service in german FKK club is better and cheaper.
But the girl from day 1 was worth the money, very nice GFE.
Now we are looking forward to our next trip.
Best regards,
Tacitus
Saw an internet listing recently for 2 girls. Decided to follow it up and actually had a great time. These are two quite young students, good figures but not overly attractive. However they agreed to 2 hours for Rub.7,000.
Met them yesterday and had a great time. They are very sexy and open. Quite good English and they know all our mongering terms! So two beautiful young ladies, great BBBJ and exciting sex in any position that you can wish. All this for Rub.7,000!
The girls have promised to allow me to take photos next time and these will be posted. I have their e-mail address, if anyone wants please pm me.
[QUOTE=Tacitus]One of my buddies got a BBBJ and CIM during the third lap dance.[/QUOTE]Interesting...
This happened while he was sitting in the club? In a private room? In an apartment upstairs?
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Interesting...
This happened while he was sitting in the club? In a private room? In an apartment upstairs?[/QUOTE]Yes, private lap dances take place in private rooms with a couch while the door is closed. The apartments upstairs are for FS only.
Tacitus
sometimes in life one is witness to a moment of pure magic, that rarest of moments when a creature so beautiful is seen, that the image remains forever burned into your psyche.
on a past night, i was witness to such a creature and our own isg supercommando pizdyets was there to witness it as well. it brought us closer. (cue violins being played by naked cherub twin cheerleader chicks)
before we all get too excited and collect tissues and hand creme, i should probably mention that the beautiful creature was a man and not a woman, and i should probably mention that the beautiful creature was not beautiful at all, but rather hideous. the beautiful creature did however have a particularly impressive quality, a singular passion to aggressively approach every woman in the club in the most slimy of ways, slinking up behind and extending his crane-like neck to lower his somewhat misshapen head seemingly right into their laps. a thing of pure disgusting beauty, just as a crackpot doctor might find an enormous cancerous tumor beautiful. but let's start at the beginning.
the past week had already been good to me. after a weekend excursion down to odessa where i met my ex for "sex-chai" and inexplicably also managed to get lost in a wonderfully juvenile on all-levels-satisfying whirlwind romance with a peruvian cutie studying there, i was primed to start the work week. the work week had started off well too, as pizdyets and i went to che and entered into some sort of drinking contest with each other, something to the effect of 7 mega-mojitos each... and that was on top of our dinner drinks which in my case was a bottle of wine. in fact, beginning with the previous weeks trips to aurora 911 (which i liked a lot) and an ill-fated but entertaining trip down mammory lane to hot dog and continuing through a business event with cuba libre and champagne and then through the wild weekend in odessa and the inevitable alcohol orgy that ensued there with my wild man wingman down south i had been on a week-long bender.
although i had planned on staying in and getting some deserved sleep on this wednesday evening, instead i got a bit sentimental and demanded a meeting with a previous conquest who had since dumped me, citing her disappointment to discover that i was seeing several girls at the same time. damn social networking sites anyway. i thought it chivalrous of me to hash things out with her and clear the air. besides, she has a really, really nice ass.
we met at marrakesh restaurant in the warm early evening and attracted a bit of attention on the summer veranda when it became clear that we were angry with each other and arguing about sex. although we tried to keep our voices down, words like "sex" and "fuck" seem to penetrate the din of street clatter like a hot knife through butter and it was obvious several people were passively listening. an old story it was nonetheless. she didn't want to be treated like a booty call ***** (her words) and wanted some commitment from me, i offered to discuss it in bed at which point she was close to leaving me sitting alone at the restaurant. the alk must have been kicking in again as suddenly i went from arrogant ass to sweet-talking arrogant ass and she warmed up a bit. essentially, she was just waiting for a positive signal from me. women are such fruits. finally we settled on going back to my apartment and talking about "us". buying a bottle of cheapish chianti at eliseevksy before going to my apartment, we proceeded upstairs were she began to guzzle it down in an attempt to put herself in a mindset were she could forget her anger and allow herself to do exactly what she wanted to do, get drilled.
i must say, a bottle of chianti will do amazing things to a 45kg frame. despite fending off my attempts to touch and fondle her, at some point she looked at me with slightly glazed over eyes and muttered coyly:
"are you going to fuck me now?"
um, yes.
about 2 hours and 3 holes later, she was still stumbling drunk and wanted to go home so she could sleep there, as she had to work in the morning. this was fine by me, because i still wanted to go out and hate awkward mornings anyway. nonetheless, in her drunk condition there was no way i was going to let her go home alone, so we decided to take the metro out to her station together. walking through the underpass at pushkin square, she stammered in her drunkeness as she stumbled along hanging on me, her light dress slightly disheveled and revealing her pencil thin legs and petite frame, muttering loudly as bewildered russians and foreigners stared:
"promise me next time- hic- we meet you are going to fuck me harder-hic- than you've ever fucked me before... promise? -hic-. i want it to hurt!."
i was pleased with her comments and the somewhat disgusted looks i was getting from the passersby, but guided her nonetheless as quickly as possible towards the metro as i wanted to avoid the kind of trouble that comes with drunkeness in public places.
riding the metro, she was rather chatty and seemed to be sobering up, even finding enough cognitive wisdom to comment on 2 drunk russian girls sleeping on the train, saying:
"sometimes russian girls are like men, drinking like horses and fucking without feelings." strangely poignant and philosophical she is tonight i thought.
finally dumping her off at her house, the rest of the evening was mine and as the evening was already turning into night, i called pizdyets and we agreed to meet at che.
i was happy to have pizdyets with me as the face control goons at che seem to fucking hate me but absolutely love him. maybe that ought to tell me something. :)
che was quite ok, actually the place is always quite ok, and pizdyets had brought in some fire support in the form of a rather well-built and sympatichny russian friend whom i instantly liked.
with girls dancing around our table shaking their assets and the mojito supply kicking in, the mood became jolly and che-like, especially as my alk-levels reached operating temperature. the hottest chicks in the joint were with other guys, which didnt stop them from starting to pay some attention to us as the night went on. in particular one quite cute but quite young girl sitting at the table next to us with her russian sponsor sugar daddy gave us pained looks of regret as she let herself be fondled by her aging sponsor. she wasn't happy at all, but as he was seemingly paying the bills and funding her somewhat stylish yet second-tier wardrobe, she had little choice. it almost hurt to watch, but it is a scene we've all seen a thousand times before and will see a thousand times again. she seemed particularly smitten with pizdyets, although she may have just been eyeing his $600 jacket... or perhaps she was longing for a sip from my mojito. )
at some point in the club daze, the beautiful creature made a celebrated entrance. this creature, dressed in a nice beige suit and seemingly not possessing a spine as he slithered snake-like around the dance floor eyeing possible prey, was indeed a spectacle to behold. dark-skinned and arab in appearance, he looked like a cross between e.t. and a clean-shaven, taller and better-dressed mahmud ahmadinedschad. his attempts were universally unsuccessful, as he would approach girls from behind, poke his crane-like e.t. neck over their shoulders and mutter something into their ears... usually resulting in the girls taking 2 steps back, turning their back on him or walking away. undaunted and probably having experienced this thousands of times before, the beautiful creature simply hissed and slithered on down the bar.
in the meantime, our russian friend had approached a group of drunk and partying girls at the end of the bar who claimed to be celebrating a birthday. the girls were very forward and we started dancing and flirting. although the girls were 7s at best, one of them, the birthday girl, had very nice boobs and her other friend had a nice face and blue eyes that contrasted nicely to her jet black hair. we danced and flirted and as the girls were drunk and forward, there seemed to be a possibility of a club pull. during our dance attack, the beautiful creature made his approach as well, slinking up behind the drunk birthday girl and attempted to dance with her... she retreated and landed in my arms, dancing with me and thanking me for rescuing her. not an abnormal situation really, but shortly thereafter the events took a strange and for me, seemingly inexplicable turn.
after about 10 minutes of dancing with another girl, i spotted the beautiful creature pinning the birthday girl down against the wall towards the back of the dance floor, trying to kiss her and fondle her as she struggled to fend him off. normally i would let this go as it is none of my business and one never knows the background of the situation... some girls even enjoy this part of the game, particularly in russia. nonetheless, it seemed to be getting kind of ugly and i went to her, slid in between the two as the beautiful creature screamed "no!" and dragged her back to her friends, where both she and they thanked me. after a bit of chat, i returned to the table to drink and after about 5 minutes spotted the beautiful creature making another run. instead of intervening as it really wasn't my business nor duty, i observed as he chose a more subtle approach and this with success. the two seemed to be getting along and through the dancefloor chaos i may have even spotted them kissing, they were certainly getting very close.
"stupid girls" i muttered and the russian agreed, seemingly unhappy that the amply-titted birthday girl would choose a slimeball over any of us, but then we laughed it off as one is quite used to girls making odd choices. i choose not to think how many times i have been the one other guys have asked themselves "why him?" about.
but then about 3 minutes later the inexplicable event occurred. seemingly radar-guided, a face control bouncer cut his way through the dancefloor rapidly and grabbed the birthday girl and her black-haired girlfriend, pushing a shrieking beautiful creature aside. the okhranik dragged the 2 complaining girls out and threw them onto the street as we watched in bewilderment.
i have seen drunk guys thrown out and drunk girls escorted out, but this was the first time i had seen 2 girls thrown out, particularly odd since they weren't that drunk, weren't causing trouble (besides making a mild spectacle of themselves) and were generally behaving like club owners want girls to behave... being flirty, dancing, having fun and entertaining the male guests.
the beautiful creature, looking rather depressed, seized hissing and retreated somewhat in dejection. i considered inviting him over to our table to ask him what happened, as now, even though i had considered him to be a low form of life even 30 minutes before, now considered him to be a distant ally, a comrade-in-arms.
his approach was below my standards, but nonetheless i respected him for being so fearlessly slimy. a man that unattractive has no choice but to be resilient and forward and he was at a level i had previously only rarely seen. the russian guy didn't think so however, and thankfully shot the idea down with disgust.
the beautiful creature disappeared at some point, slithering back to his hole-tel and we continued our dance assault, but the previous incident was occupying my mind. i thought i'd seen everything, but this one was a new one for me. various theories crossed our minds.
the girls were prostitutes and thrown out for that reason (most likely of the scenarios)
the girls were making too much of a spectacle (they weren't any more than others)
the management didnt like the beautiful creature (why did they let him in if so?)
the girls weren't paying their bar tab. (maybe)
the girls were **** (they didn't look it, i'm guessing 22-23)
to this day, i don't know and none of the above seems particularly likely. perhaps the beautiful creature is a serial killer and the security was just saving lives.
after getting our 7 mojito fix, i disappeared into the night with the telephone number of a petite blonde who would never return my calls while pizdyets and the russian stayed to test the waters for a late night pull on a group of girls who had just entered.
the beautiful creature probably went to hot dog to be among the other beautiful creatures.
i really hope the beautiful creature isn't reading this report right now. if so, "cheers!"
Skank, that is a beautiful piece of writing.
I laughed, I cried, it should get an oscar.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Sometimes in life one is witness to a moment of pure magic, that rarest of moments when a creature so beautiful is seen, that the image remains forever burned into your psyche.
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Excellent!! A very enjoyable read. Thanks for posting.
AM (Berlin Thread)
Great report Doc, I've preserved it in the RoD.
My favorite heart stealing sex-bomb tigress Ekaterina, one minute the playful tease, the next ready to eat me alive, but even more so, a super-passionate flower:
Doc - I'm plainly dwarfed by your prose skills. After this post, I ought never pick up the quill again.
That said, you left out 3 notable events during our week-long orgy of drinking, dancing and general debauchery:
One... the Central Asian hottie (solid 9, great big cat eyes, ample tits, luxurious hair, long legs, defined calves and stylish to boot) sitting next to us at Che that first night. Remember her? Of course you do. First off, it's always great to see a girl that hot who's drinking beer and getting as fucked up as she was on it. Second, it's a double turn-on when said girl is sitting with a guy (who's bought said beer for her), and yet she's blatantly flirting with you (in this case... me!) And then, she takes a mystery shot, upside-down-margarita-style, holds it like a CIM pornstar, and then lights it in her own mouth, allowing flames and even sparks to emit her lips before swallowing. Flame throwing is one thing. Hell, any pussy can suck butane out of a lighter and spit it into a candle. But here we're talking about something altogether different. And when she motioned me to do a shot with her, pearly-white smile with a lighter in her perfectly-manicured hand... well, she could have been Megan Fox and I still wouldn't have done it.
Two... there was a table full of hot girls towards the back of the main room, with an unlikely sponsor in the form of Pat "Wax On! Wax Off!" Morita. Okay, maybe it wasn't the shifu from Karate Kid, but the resemblance was uncanny. I was angling for one of his "satellites" - a 185cm rail-thin brunette bubble-butt in ballerina flats who kept ignoring me on the dance floor. My Russian friend instructed me to just go and grab her, BC-style, but I kept thinking she was with "the Japanese guy" and he'd soon be waxing the glass and mojito covered floor with my face. But my Russian friend has no patience for slabost' inostrantsev (foreigner weakness): "He's not Japanese, he's just some Kazakh motherfucker!" Truer words have never been told.
Three... blind date with Moldavian girl. You never promised me anything except that she was your GF's podruga and she was from Moldova. So when I was on my way to the club, dressed to the nines, freshly showered, shaved and reaking of my best cologne, I was a bit disappointed to receive your SMSka "Your girl not so cute... Oops". What you didn't tell me is that I would be walking onto the Russian set of "Fifth Wheel" (the only saving grace was that I could play the role of the late-arriving and trouble-inducing hottie). Not only wasn't my girl that cute, but there was a dude there with her as well (whose role I never quite figured out - potential suitor? driver? gay friend? certainly not bodyguard). But the night wasn't a total disaster. For whatever hotness the Moldavian chick lacked, she more than made up for in wit and language skills. So much so, that I actually regretted not meeting up with her again during her visit, if only for a chat over coffee.
So if I had to make a message out of these vignettes, what would it be? Don’t judge a book by its cover? Good things come in unlikely packages? Every cloud has its silver lining? Nah, I’ll simply stick with “Don’t play with fire.”
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]One... the Central Asian hottie.. it's always great to see a girl that hot who's drinking beer [/QUOTE]
Very frequent in Uzbekistan. Girls there haven't been indoctrinated yet against beer. An anomaly in FSU.
In Tashkent, even in the most "in" clubs, it's very rare that a girl orders another thing than Baltika or vodka with juice on the side. Same for "in" cafes: it's inevitably draft beer.
Which is great.
PS : entertaining account Doc, thanks for sharing.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]That said, you left out 3 notable events during our week-long orgy of drinking, dancing and general debauchery:
One... the Central Asian hottie (solid 9, great big cat eyes, ample tits, luxurious hair, long legs, defined calves and stylish to boot) sitting next to us at Che that first night. Remember her? Of course you do.
Two... there was a table full of hot girls towards the back of the main room, with an unlikely sponsor in the form of Pat "Wax On! Wax Off!" Morita. Okay, maybe it wasn't the shifu from Karate Kid, but the resemblance was uncanny.
Three... blind date with Moldavian girl. You never promised me anything except that she was your GF's podruga and she was from Moldova. So when I was on my way to the club, dressed to the nines, freshly showered, shaved and reaking of my best cologne, I was a bit disappointed to receive your SMSka "Your girl not so cute... Oops". [/QUOTE]Well yeah, I very much remember the:
1) Central Asian hottie, she was insanely hot. Tall with great figure, Asian skin and dark hair but a fairly Russian face, with a feline touch. I don't give 10s (yet), but she's a 9+, her bright and flirty aire was a heartbreaker... + the mad flaming mouth... a wild one. The hotness, and she did flirt with you. What is it with Russian girls who have their guys in tow flirting with other guys? Happens all of the time, getting coy looks from "taken" women. Not sure what was up with her, she was very cozy with that one guy but didnt kiss him, yet they left together at some point. Very high-end pro maybe? Or maybe just a flirt.
2) Didn't even notice that table really, somehow not my type...besides Pat Moriarti had that situation blocked, Kazakh bastard that he is.
3) The Moldovan padruga was ok cute but very bright and body solid. Doable for sure... she woulda put out on 2nd date. Both girls were charming and fun. The other guy has a crush on one of them and drives them around as a sort of chauffeur. Kinda sad.
Man, details are filtering in now... Karma Bar, Tunnel, Che, Hot Dog. Screwed that blonde 23rd lawyer from Omsk. Feeling up strippers at Aurora 911.
We tore up the dancefloor that last night at Che and I had a 12 o'clock meeting the next day and I was pretty goofy in the head, was really hitting on the manager chick I met, she gave me her phone number and wants to meet me at a Russian brewery near Kitai Gorod, some famous place. What was I thinking? Never called her.
One night in Hot Dog talking to that hot thin brunette. I was keen on that.
Other night at HD and the funny conversation with the ho that refused to admit I'd fucked her 3 years before until I started getting total recall and described her anatomy in detail and even touching her pussy through her dress, then she admitted it. She was with the taller blonde girl. Stupid chicks wanted 8000 rubles each, for 5000 each I woulda jumped it. Probably good thing we didn't because then in the afternoon I screwed the hot accountant. I fell in love with her when instead of wanting to go to a posh restaurant she wanted to get takeout pizza and beer. Hot and horny babe, beer + pizza = Каиф... she'd shaved herself bare, she'd come to get laid.
Moscow will suck you in sometimes.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]The Moldovan padruga was ok cute but very bright and body solid. Doable for sure... she woulda put out on 2nd date. Both girls were charming and fun. The other guy has a crush on one of them and drives them around as a sort of chauffeur. Kinda sad.
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I'm guessing he was after your little cutie (yes, Doc had the hot one - no surprise there - and she couldn't keep her hands off of him.) Certainly he knew that you had fucked her senseless on numerous occassions already, right? On second thought, maybe he's the kinda perv into sloppy seconds. :)
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One night in Hot Dog talking to that hot thin brunette. I was keen on that.
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Yeah, sorry about that. You know I must be wasted if I agree to go to HD, and as I recall this time, it was even [b]my[/b] idea. Mea culpa. Need to remember: friends don't let friends go to HD, [i]especially[/i] after 7 super-mojitos.
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Other night at HD and the funny conversation with the ho that refused to admit I'd fucked her 3 years before until I started getting total recall and described her anatomy in detail and even touching her pussy through her dress, then she admitted it. She was with the taller blonde girl. Stupid chicks wanted 8000 rubles each, for 5000 each I woulda jumped it.
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Man, I don't remember the taller blonde girl at all, but I do remember your byvshaya blyad. Been tempted to take her home on a number of occassions but something always felt wrong. I guess I'm glad now that you told me that with her, it's no kissing, no DATY and minimal physical contact. Man, some of these girls are in the wrong line of work...
It's the summer doldrums in Moscow and the majority of the affluent populace is maximally distancing themselves from the city center - either by going on vacation or leaving for their dachas in the countryside. Combining that with the "kreesis", and you're left with a pretty dead club scene at the moment. On a recent Friday night, Doc and I were surprised to find only 50 people TOTAL in Karma Bar (normal would be 200-300), and half the guys looked like construction workers. It was so dismal, that I had the bright idea to do some [i]true[/i] bottom-trawling. Yes, that's right... the infamous Hungry Duck. Given that neither Skank nor I had been there in over 5 years, we couldn't even remember its location, except being near the Kuznetsky Most metro station. I thought I remember where it was located, but found that a cafe was there in its place. But talking with Solntsa Yada later, I think we may have been looking in the wrong place. Anyone been there lately? Is it open? If so, is the scene as disgusting and low-class as it was 5 years ago?
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]I'm guessing he was after your little cutie (yes, Doc had the hot one - no surprise there - and she couldn't keep her hands off of him.) Certainly he knew that you had fucked her senseless on numerous occassions already, right? [/QUOTE]I've been banging her silly for the last 3 or 4 years, I think she's still holding out for something serious. The chaffeur was into her for sure, she told me so much and also told me its not her fault if he wants to drive them around. Classic tool, really don't understand his logic. Maybe he is hoping to get points for resilience. I think the chaffeur musta noticed us making out on the dance floor or perhaps he noticed me fondling her while she was sitting on my lap across the table from him. :) In any case, she's kinda sliding down the roster though, as the last 3 times we met: no sex. She's always had an excuse, but I let her know homie don't play that. She's good company and incredibly sweet though, besides being a hardworker in bed. The 5th wheel, despite his incompetence was kind of a buzzkill though.[QUOTE=Pizdyets]...but I do remember your byvshaya blyad. Been tempted to take her home on a number of occassions but something always felt wrong. I guess I'm glad now that you told me that with her, it's no kissing, no DATY and minimal physical contact. Man, some of these girls are in the wrong line of work...[/QUOTE]Details are coming back about her.
No DATY or BBBJ, but she did do lots of kissing. Remember she told me she'd fuck me for free if I took her out for dinner? Never took her up on that offer and when we were at HD I asked her if the offer was still good. She didn't think that was too funny.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Combining that with the "kreesis", and you're left with a pretty dead club scene at the moment. On a recent Friday night, Doc and I were surprised to find only 50 people TOTAL in Karma Bar (normal would be 200-300), and half the guys looked like construction workers. [/QUOTE]Summers are always slow, but that is the deadest I've seen Karma maybe ever. Shame too, they played good music and there were some possibilities.[QUOTE=Pizdyets]It was so dismal, that I had the bright idea to do some [i]true[/i] bottom-trawling. Yes, that's right... the infamous Hungry Duck. Given that neither Skank nor I had been there in over 5 years, we couldn't even remember its location, except being near the Kuznetsky Most metro station. I thought I remember where it was located, but found that a cafe was there in its place. But talking with Solntsa Yada later, I think we may have been looking in the wrong place. Anyone been there lately? Is it open? If so, is the scene as disgusting and low-class as it was 5 years ago?[/QUOTE]I think someone has to bite the bullet and that's our shocktrooper Solntsa Yada. You can mop up afterwards. :)
[quote=pizdyets] it was so dismal, that i had the bright idea to do some [i]true[/i] bottom-trawling. yes, that's right... the infamous hungry duck. given that neither skank nor i had been there in over 5 years, we couldn't even remember its location, except being near the kuznetsky most metro station. i thought i remember where it was located, but found that a cafe was there in its place. but talking with solntsa yada later, i think we may have been looking in the wrong place. anyone been there lately? is it open? if so, is the scene as disgusting and low-class as it was 5 years ago?[/quote]
pizdyets, i was in the venerable hungry duck since then, but still two years ago. and it was a tuesday night, so perhaps not at its most vibrant....
[quote=gentleman travel] i arrived on halloween, so i was hopeful there would be some action in the city, despite it being a tuesday night. having noted the dearth of reports about the hungry duck, i decided to take one for the team and visit that venerable establishment, because i heard the tuesday nights they let the dyevs in for two hours of free drinks before unleashing the men on them. so i rolled into the duck at about midnight. i don’t know if they had done the “drinks for dyevs” thing or not, but it was pretty quiet when i got there. i was vastly over-dressed and felt quite out of place. a few dozen people rep001tered around, most of them women, but not much action. there were a couple of good looking girls, but the others were pretty pathetic. still, several were up on the bar dancing, trying to work themselves up to a state of excitement and it looked like if i stayed long enough eventually some of them would do something interesting. i was approached by one girl who clearly wanted to party, but i did not travel 5000 miles to party with ugly girls. then her friend came over, who was a slightly better looking blonde and at least spoke a few words of english, and she wanted to dance and drink also. i suppose i should have bought them drinks and seen what depraved things they would do, but i was afraid the ugly one might take off her clothes and i did not want to start my moscow sojourn on a low note. so after brushing them off, i hung around for a while, then headed for the street, only to be assaulted by the same two girls outside – my last chance for ugly, drunken dyevs from the hungry duck! i passed.[/quote]
so yes, it was as disgusting and low-class as you remember. perhaps even more so!
on that basis alone i would be willing to give it another try, being better
prepared, more appropriately dressed and more open-minded this time.
but i await your more expert and updated opinion!
I went to hungry duck a year ago. Didn't like it very much. Crowded with lots of men and ugly girls, no crazy atmosphere...But yes, it was opened.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]I think someone has to bite the bullet and that's our shocktrooper Solntsa Yada. You can mop up afterwards. :)[/QUOTE]
I'll second the motion! Seriously, last time I was at Hungry Duck was over 6 years ago. I remember it being hot, sticky, crowded and... moist. There were several foul, topless dyevs dancing on the bar and the bartenders were keeping them well lubricated with soda water. With my back to the bar, checking out the riffraff crowd, I felt what seemed like a water balloon land on my head. I turned around to see rolls of dripping flesh topped by some of the saggiest tits I'd seen this side of Tijuana. Worse, the dyev was reaching down to me, open-mouthed, looking for a make-out session. Quickly side stepping, I motioned for the bartender to come over.
"Kakoe pivo u vas?" (What kind of beer do you have?)
"Kakaya raznitsa?" (What difference does it make?)
as he pulled a decidedly non-breakable plastic cup out and filled it from the tap (which turned out to be 3 Bears - far from an elite brand even by Russian standards).
Okay, maybe it was best that we didn't manage to find it.
Just arrived in Moscow Monday and with some suggestions from forum members, found a great apartment near Tverskaya / Pushkinskaya metro. Great because it has alot of providers nearby on the [url]www.rusdosug.com[/url] map, Night Flight is literally in my neighbouring building, Aurora 911 is about a 15 minute walk, and Fantasys is nearby as well. Got picked up at the airport by a local girl I met online and spent the day with her being a tourist and trying to build some sexual tension. Kiss her goodnight and send her home around midnight. I was hoping for sex but hey, it's only the first meeting. Decided to head to Aurora 911 for it's rave reviews on the board and it was great!
Aurora 911, starting about 1am on a Monday night. If you often find your self wanting to stare at, grope, and fuck all the thin young tarts in high heels and short skirts that you find on the street in Moscow then Aurora is right for you! Located just around the corner from 18 Petrovka street, their website is [url]www.911club.ru[/url]. The site (from what I can read) only gives the addresses and phone number of their other clubs though (not Aurora) and just mentions that Aurora is the new club. Entrance was 800, whiskey and coke was ~450 (never did get any change back from the 500 notes). The club had about 20 dancers and 15 customers when I went. The lovely waitresses were all topless as well of course. Great quality of girls if you like thin bodies and average to small tits. Staff does speak some english and the "girls services" menu is multi-lingual as well. Cheapest thing on the menu is 1000 for a 3 to 4 minute dance with a girl in a private room. You give the girl the money first then she takes it to the house, arranges the room, and comes back to get you. After doing this a few times my thought is that it is a waste of money. About the only thing I got from the private room that I didn't get from the dances at my chair were to finger the girl a bit. The best deal of all in Aurora is the dances at your chair. The girls will either come by and ask if they can dance for you, or you can waive one over. You'll get some bump and grind from a naked girl while you sit and can pretty much touch her wherever you want. There is no defined price but a tip from 100 to 300 seems about right (or is it too much?). Personally I loved this and outside of American strip clubs is the cheapest way I have found to get a wide variety of full naked trim up in your face. The club certainly knows how to put on a performance and every 30 to 60 minutes there would be a special dance with all the girls or whatever. Twice in the night they had all 20 of them up on the strip pole stage, all fully naked, dancing and twisting. I think it was about 20 anyway, I got distracted every time I started to count. Outside of a German FKK, I've never seen this many naked young candies once. FANTASTIC. Also, some of the dancers there REALLY know how to work the pole. Eventually I had lap dance tested enough of the girls and decided on what I wanted to screw. I paid the 10,000 and we went to a private room for an hour. Room was nice, clean, and the bed was comfortable and high quality (as opposed to the thin, uncomfortable matresses I sometimes find in salons). BBBJ and DFK. Great sex all around and enthusiastic girl. Mirrored ceiling also a nice touch. Went back to the main area and had a few more drinks and lap dances. By the time I left around 5am, there was only about 3 guys left but the club/girls managed to keep the tempo up so it didn't feel completely dead.
Aurora is a little expensive but for me it is well worth it as you can do alot of looking and touching first to decide what you want. It's all about selection!
There is an ATM machine inside the club and they also exchange dollars for rubles ($1 = 30r).
Day two:
Local online girl from day one shows up at the apartment around noon and is carrying a little shopping bag with an extra set of clothes. A good sign that she has contemplated the idea of spending the night. Out we go for some touristy stuff. I wasted alot of time with some girls in Petersburg that never turned in to sex and I mentally decide that tonight is the night or it's time to cut losses. She does make a great tour guide but after awhile is a little whiny and starts to grate on my nerves. Why do I always end up doing these 8 hour days with girls? Eventually we get back to the apartment and at this point I'm indifferent between choking her and screwing her. Well, let's try screw first and if that doesn't work there is always the other option! We start making out and I get her bra half off and am sucking on some very nice firm tits but every few minutes she breaks it off and fiddles with the tv or her russian-english dictionary. She even puts her bra back on. Now I'm thinking it's a lost cause and I'll just wait twenty minutes or so, send her home, then head back out to Aurora. Then I remember a wise story from this very forum about letting her get drunk enough to do what she really wants to do anyway. Ask her if she wants a drink, she does. Pour her one and before it's finished (and she can't possibly be drunk) I'm rubbing her pussy and she's got her hands down my pants. Maybe she just needed the alcohol excuse? 95% of the previous drama (I really hate that start/stop making out stuff) that made me want to choke her instantly disappears and it is all passion and playfullness. We spend the next four hours shagging like mad and her pussy gets a good workout that it seems like it has not had in a long time. I really like when her english dirty talk devolves in to brief russian gasps. "Oh moi malchik....da..da..da..da.." Actually this girl was a bit of a suprise. She doesn't dress extremely sexy. No high heels or mini skirts or other clothes that would turn your head on the street. From looking at her dressed I could tell she would at least look decent naked. But wow, naked she was a a sex bomb. 26 but looked 21. Smooth skin without cellulite, cute little ass, firm breasts, smooth clean pussy, tight stomach. Minus the face (hey, it's not that bad, just not perfect) she would fit in fine at Aurora. I knew that change of clothes she brought was a good sign, just had to wade through some bullshit first.
Day three:
Morning sex, tourism (dead Lenin!), afternoon sex, tourism (Gorky park is lame but good for a date), night sex (you have to walk a bit but there are a few all night Pharmacies on Tverskaya if you need late night supplies).
Day four:
Thank god she has to work today so I can have some time alone until later. Honestly I can't keep up with her and I'm too tired to even think about fucking someone else :(
About the girl:
I'm always interested in how the other forum members are hooking up and with who so... In general I talk to a wide variety (in terms of location) of girls online on a regular basis with no specific plans to be in their location. If things click well enough I'll go to meet them but sometimes things just simmer with casual contact until a happy coincidence occurs. With this girl she wasn't living in Moscow when we started to write and we sent each other quick notes once or twice a month for about the past year. Well, now she lives in Moscow and I was going to be in SpB so why not give it a shot. I gave her a small stuffed animal to say thanks for picking me up at the airport, haven't given any other gifts. I pay when we go out but we don't go any place I wouldn't go on my own anyway.
I know well what is possible for the guys that live here and the ones that visit a few times but what can reasonably be expected for a guy making a single trip?
Is it reasonable to meet a girl on the street/club and get a second or third date fuck?
Is it reasonable to meet a girl online (while you are here, without any talking beforehand) and get the same?
General techniques (does it involve gift giving, fancy dinners, etc...) for quick closure?
I'm still up for some drinking, womanizing, and bullshitting if anyone else is in town.
By the way the exchange rate in the booths should be around 31.1
In Moscow there is night supply of all you can imagine even supermakets open at 3 a.m. On Tverskaya the former Gastronom n° 1 (I still speak soviet not Russian) is open 24/24 365/365.... and you can fin all you need for eating, pobably one of the best 10 grocieries in the world.
For 10.000 RUR you can get a teen in your bed doing all that imaginable and even more! Not some moment in a Private Room in a Lap Dance place... :(
And for 10.000 in a hour or so you can get a 18.... nearly virgin... :eek:
Where hell have you been?
IT
PS in three meetings you can nail every Russian girl avaliable... if you are enough polite! But on [url]www.mamba.ru[/url] you can chat and nail direclty even for free, just paying dinner etc...
Fast closing: be polite and elegant and always have tie like a real bu$$ine$ man (!!!) they look at the wallet so keep it safe! :eek:
[QUOTE=Unirii]I know well what is possible for the guys that live here and the ones that visit a few times but what can reasonably be expected for a guy making a single trip?
Is it reasonable to meet a girl on the street/club and get a second or third date fuck?
Is it reasonable to meet a girl online (while you are here, without any talking beforehand) and get the same?
General techniques (does it involve gift giving, fancy dinners, etc...) for quick closure?
I'm still up for some drinking, womanizing, and bullshitting if anyone else is in town.[/QUOTE]
The things you find while surfing the internet...
It seems the American Chamber of Commerce in Russia is hosting a 4th of July celebration this Saturday in Moscow. Info can be found at this website: [url]http://amcham.ru/independence/index.html[/url].
If the weather co-operates, it might be interesting. There might even be a few dyeffki, looking for someone to help them practice their English. :)
Ouch.... Mmmm...nope, never been to Moscow before! Yes I know the exchange rate in the booths is better but not by much when you take in to account comission and the pain of going to the booth in the first place which may not be open when you want it. Just mentioning that if you don't have the rubles on you (shitty daily withdrawl limits), Aurora will take green as well.
And of course the 10k is too much for an hour. What you're paying for is the ability to see all the girls nekkid before hand, test them out with a lap dance, and have a good idea of what the session will be like. Time is more valuable than money and I'd rather pay more knowing that I will have a good experience than hit and miss of random girl in salon or online. Aurora was a fantastic experience!
But.... if you can recommend some outstanding young teens that like to please, I'd be happy to support them :)
[QUOTE=It Travel]By the way the exchange rate in the booths should be around 31.1
In Moscow there is night supply of all you can imagine even supermakets open at 3 a.m. On Tverskaya the former Gastronom n° 1 (I still speak soviet not Russian) is open 24/24 365/365.... and you can fin all you need for eating, pobably one of the best 10 grocieries in the world.
For 10.000 RUR you can get a teen in your bed doing all that imaginable and even more! Not some moment in a Private Room in a Lap Dance place... :(
And for 10.000 in a hour or so you can get a 18.... nearly virgin... :eek:
Where hell have you been?
IT
PS in three meetings you can nail every Russian girl avaliable... if you are enough polite! But on [url]www.mamba.ru[/url] you can chat and nail direclty even for free, just paying dinner etc...
Fast closing: be polite and elegant and always have tie like a real bu$$ine$ man (!!!) they look at the wallet so keep it safe! :eek:[/QUOTE]
Dear Unirii,
first in the booths there is no commission at all... There is no pain, there are booths every where! Open 24/24. Yes there are ATM limits similar to your standard in EU usually around 250 € a day.
I'm not interested in looking at naked girls, I'm interested in fucking a nice teen! Might be the difference... looking is not my business...
Of course Time is Time (T not t) do your work before!!!! There are at least 100 outstanding places in Moscow, but at least you have to wear tie, and go there speaking some Russian... ;) :D
Your nick is really strange... from the place in Bucharest???
Just my two cents
IT
[QUOTE=Unirii]Ouch.... Mmmm...nope, never been to Moscow before! Yes I know the exchange rate in the booths is better but not by much when you take in to account comission and the pain of going to the booth in the first place which may not be open when you want it. Just mentioning that if you don't have the rubles on you (shitty daily withdrawl limits), Aurora will take green as well.
And of course the 10k is too much for an hour. What you're paying for is the ability to see all the girls nekkid before hand, test them out with a lap dance, and have a good idea of what the session will be like. Time is more valuable than money and I'd rather pay more knowing that I will have a good experience than hit and miss of random girl in salon or online. Aurora was a fantastic experience!
But.... if you can recommend some outstanding young teens that like to please, I'd be happy to support them :)[/QUOTE]
Guys,
I have seen here lot of good reports on Aurora 911.
I prefer to stick to Bordo as there is plenty of girls, firnedly attitude, good quality.
For those who can compare both clubs, would you consider Aurora better than Bordo?
[QUOTE=Passepartout]Guys,
I have seen here lot of good reports on Aurora 911.
I prefer to stick to Bordo as there is plenty of girls, firnedly attitude, good quality.
For those who can compare both clubs, would you consider Aurora better than Bordo?[/QUOTE]
Never been to Bordo but will be back in Moscow the week of July 19th and will take it upon myself to do some research.
Where's Bordo again?
Well since we are headed for a show-down, I might as well weigh in with my visit(s) to Aurora 911 last week.
My first visit to 911 was after a rather tantalizing dinner with a 26 year old sales person who works for a Russian colleague of mine. Fortunately we don't work for the same company so there's no bread / meat issues. (Not like that ever stopped some of us before - but I digress). He wanted us to meet because this spicy little Muscovite speak quite reasonable English an want to get some practice. Since it was a first dinner, I met this little bimbette and Dimitry at Goodman's down at Tulskaya where we enjoyed some banter and a little sexual innuendo in both Russian and English. About 10 PM Dimitry begged off as he had an early meeting. As it turned out Olga lives near Mayakovskaya so I suggested we share a cab. Yada, yada, yada - we had a few drinks but she had to work the next day so we wrapped things up by midnight without any sex. After all it was only a first meeting.
By 12:30 I was down at Aurora 911. It was a Tuesday night so I certainly did not expect anything too spectacular. I walked in, paid my 800 rubles, paid homage to the butt crack of the Asian looking hostess wearing the dress that is cut low in the back and followed her into the main floor lounge. Being the distinguished 50+ gentleman that I am she gave me an opportunity to go upstairs to the restaurant which I declined. And as she had her hand on the door to the entrance, she asked me "you know this is a strip club don't you". I laughed and replied "Davaytse - padyom".
She led me to the bar and sat me down there because it was the only free seat in the house. The place was pretty full and the flag dance had just started. I was mesmerized as the parade of naked bodies crammed onto the stage. The girls flanking the bar on mini stages had their own flags and were waving them proudly as their pert nipples saluted the crowd. And unlike the Safari Lodge of old, these gals were totally nekked. Beautiful sleek bodies with clean shaven pussies all exposed for my viewing pleasure. With all the activity, I didn't notice what was going on behind the bar and when I spun round to order a beer I was staring face to face with the cutest pair of C-cups I had seen all day. No one mentioned that the female bartenders were topless!!!!!! Such a deal!!!!!!!
After the flag dance, the girls started to circulate. This is the part that usually throws me off at strip clubs because you don't get a chance to scope things out and get hit upon by every girl before you can focus on what you want. Before you know it you burn through 2,000 rubles. I noticed a partially dressed girl sitting a few bar stools down whom I guess to be available for sex and nodded hello. Truthfully, she appeared to be a bit of a stick up "bee-atch" but she served the purpose. By sitting next to her and pretending to engage in conversation the "rodizio" of girls sort of passed me by temporarily and allowed me to observe.
Her name was Fiona and she was a dark haired beauty of about 26 and over six feet tall with her heels on. Certainly not fat but certainly a big girl. She said that sex was available for 10k rubles - love it or shove it. Obviously I declined and bought her a Red Bull as consolation. We chit chatted about some of the other girls and she offered some opinions about them waving over one or two to give me a dance. This turned out to be a good strategy because I have heard reports before that on some nights you can't GET a dance money or not. Fiona was waving down the ones I liked and asked them to dance for me. Heck of a deal.
After some time, there was a big hoopla and all of a sudden a half dozen of the waitresses (most of whom are stunning I might add) stripped off their tops and climbed on the bar and started dancing - again, heck of a deal. I looked around and ALL of the waitresses had their tops off. I was REALLY starting to like this place. But then how could you NOT? Once the waitresses were off the bar and the halter tops were all properly back in place, Fiona dropped her cover up, got naked ad asked me to get up on the dance floor for a waltz. I hesitated for a moment and then realized that I was not alone as some of the other girls were leading guys up to dance. Come to think of it, we were all about 50+ so it must have been the "ask a geezer to dance" portion of the program. Fiona was a good half a head taller than me in her platform heels and it felt like her firm tits were going to poke one my eyes out any minute now. But something was amiss - Fiona was grinding. not something I usually get from a strip bar girl. Clearly she was angling for a "fare" and was determined to lure me into the cabine in the back.
When the song was over, we sat back at the bar and she told me that it was her turn to dance on stage. Good thing because I was starting to get turned on. But for 10k rubles? Come on. Fantasys was right on the way back to the apartment so there were certainly cheaper ways to accomplish the same thing. After her dance she disappeared from the stage and I decided I need to make my move and hit the road. But before I was able to get my bill, she was back in front of me. It was her turn to dance for me and she was dancing with a vengeance. Two songs went by before I realized that I was racking up quite a little dance bill with her. I remember Pizdyets reporting that it's about 40 seconds for a 100 rubles. If a normal song is 3.5 minutes and we were past two songs then I was approaching 10 dances. I was getting pretty drunk but I did the arithmetic and decided that this dance was getting out of hand and tapped her on the ass saying that was enough dancing. She spun around and got very close telling me the Russian equivalent of, "Look, my husband left me a month ago, I am a dental student with no money, I have been working here for two weeks with no trick so far, so management is pissed off at me, most of the other girls don't seem to like me and I have not had sex for 3 months so if you think you are getting out of here without fucking me - think again".
Truth? Fiction? Who cares? I took a deep breath, coughed up the 10k (against ALL better judgment) and followed her to the back room. Once inside the room she showered while I undressed and then I went in for a quick rinse. When I came out she was on the bed with her legs spread and playing with herself. She had that pouty "come fuck me" look on her face. And fuck her I did.
Yikes - this was anger sex. This was vengeance sex. There was some real rage there that was struggling to get out and boy did it get out. I normally like the petite little spinners so this was a real departure for me. We did every position in the Kama Sutra and then a few more that I am sure she just made up on the spot. This was sport fucking extraordinaire. There was some REAL emotion there that had some thing to do with her husband I am sure. When the call / knock (can't remember which) we were still hard at it. I relented and she insisted that I keep on. I don't know how much longer we kept at it but a SECOND knock came with some yelling that certainly did not sound pleasant. Luckily we wrapped things up quickly after that :) We both did quick rinses and I scrambled to get dressed for fear of getting hauled out of there in my underwear. Yeah, right like that's gonna happen ;)
When we got back to the bar, it was about 4 AM. I ordered one more drink and asked for bill. Fiona came by for a kiss goodbye and reminded me that I still owed her for the dances. I laughed and said I would pay her for those dances later in the week. She grinned and told me she would be waiting.
Following Strav's example from a few weeks back, I walked back to my apartment in the early morning light. As I collapsed into bed after struggling with the black out curtains I thought about the 10k rubles and rather silly thing I had just done for one hour of sex. Was I REALLY her first "trick" since on the job? Had her husband REALLY just left her? Well, if I wasn't and he didn't, then she is one hell of an actress and a performance like THAT is probably worth the 10k rubles. Stimulation. Fornication. Rationalization.
[QUOTE=It Travel]There are at least 100 outstanding places in Moscow, but at least you have to wear tie, and go there speaking some Russian... ;) :D
[/QUOTE]
I've debated this with many mongers. Suit or no suit? I've scored both ways of course, but like ZZ Top famously said "every girl crazy 'bout a sharp dressed man", and it's more-so in Moscow these days because suit usually infers job which infers $s. But wearing stylish club clothes also implies $s, so it's not a hard-fast rule. I did find that I got totally ignored at Aurora when I was NOT wearing a suit. Go figure.
Of course speaking the local lingo is always a plus.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]I've debated this with many mongers. Suit or no suit? I've scored both ways of course, but like ZZ Top famously said "every girl crazy 'bout a sharp dressed man", and it's more-so in Moscow these days because suit usually infers job which infers $s. But wearing stylish club clothes also implies $s, so it's not a hard-fast rule. I did find that I got totally ignored at Aurora when I was NOT wearing a suit. Go figure.
Of course speaking the local lingo is always a plus.[/QUOTE]
You are totally right! I am different because I prefer home grown next door girls.... catched on the net! ;)
IT
I was only giving 100 to 300 rubles for an entire song and the girls kept coming back so... I don't want to be cheap but I don't like overpaying and raising the bar for others either. What are other people giving?
[QUOTE=Jake993]I remember Pizdyets reporting that it's about 40 seconds for a 100 rubles. If a normal song is 3.5 minutes and we were past two songs then I was approaching 10 dances.[/QUOTE]
Hello Hello
I trust all is well.
Sorry to hear about the demise of Shandra and the old Safari,
they were great. A while back at what was after Chesterfields before
it became Hot Dogs i met a 9 and she tool me to this plush building with short
stay rooms and spas etc. It was a wonderful option and well priced.
Do any know of any short stay options within central area?
Prehaps the new Safari may just rent out upstairs rooms for 1 hour?
Thank you for info.
Cheers Nickc
That is just the luck, or the unluck, of everyone, different men could have different results with the same woman (or place).
I was the first here to report about new 911 Aurora. The day after I went to Bordo and there I found the most pushy girl in the world and I had to escape away in few minutes.
Moreover in 911 Aurora I didn't need to wear a suit, just a nice shirt, a nice pants and nice shoes.
So, each man re-writes the history in a different way.
[QUOTE=Passepartout]Guys,
I have seen here lot of good reports on Aurora 911.
I prefer to stick to Bordo as there is plenty of girls, firnedly attitude, good quality.
For those who can compare both clubs, would you consider Aurora better than Bordo?[/QUOTE]
To answer to the question regarding how much to give to the girl when she dances for you:
- if the girl keeps her cloths and refuses that you touch her breast: 100 RUR
Some of the girl are doing this and say "order a private dance if you want to touch". Si I give 100 RUR, she usually is really surprised and start to argue but I do not give anyhting else.
- if the girl is OK, in her attitude, you can softly touch , etc... I give 200 RUR and never received complaints for that
- sometimes something is happening with the girl; she stays more longer, and there is honestly almost no difference with a private dance. In that case I can give 300 RUR and the girl usually is really happy.
It might sound generous but when I go to Bordo, it is not to fuck a girl for 10K, it is for the pleasure to see and touch many beautiful breast in 1 night. Girls speaks together and if you do not give too much money, then, the girls will rarely go to see you.
Bordo is located in the city center, somewhere between Lubianka and Taganskaya - I don't have the exact address, sorry.
Appart from that, I move recently from Taganskaya to an appartment located...50 meters from Hod Dog...! I guess it will be hard to avoid this place for me...
Just browsed rusdosug.com and got curious why so many of the girls there are black? A year or two ago I think 5-10 black girls was on that web site, now it's more like a few hundred.
Is it just this one web site or has the scene changed? Unfortunately I lack time and money to do thorough empirical research on this. Maybe you gentlemen have more info than I do.
Are the girls on this web site representative for the general selection in Moscow? Are the numbers of foreign girls working in Moscow also increasing for other than black girls? (I mean, the ones you can't tell from a picture if they are Russian or not). If yes, wtf is going on?
Cheers
I was able to dig up this address for Bordo but haven't verified.
Bordo, 4 Pevchesky Per., Metro: Kitai-Gorod, Tel. 917-4545
[url]http://www.bordoclub.ru/[/url]
[QUOTE=Passepartout]
Bordo is located in the city center, somewhere between Lubianka and Taganskaya - I don't have the exact address, sorry.
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Nickc]Hello Hello
I trust all is well.
Sorry to hear about the demise of Shandra and the old Safari,
they were great. A while back at what was after Chesterfields before
it became Hot Dogs i met a 9 and she tool me to this plush building with short
stay rooms and spas etc. It was a wonderful option and well priced.
Do any know of any short stay options within central area?
Prehaps the new Safari may just rent out upstairs rooms for 1 hour?
Thank you for info.
Cheers Nickc[/QUOTE]
Just go to any Sauna you se... and it's done. No real hour time hotels in Moscow... OVIR etc etc
Does anybody think that Moscow is a good place for a visible minority from Canada/America?
I am East Indian but I talk with an American accent. And white girls here tend to find me handsome. And I have fairly great income relative to my age (24) here (and would be fairly wealthy there I assume).
Basically I want to meet and have sexual relations with hot blonde girls, without all the garbage I have to deal with in North America. Spending a fortune dating a girl that probably already has a half dozen boyfriends and has no loyalty. Even investing so much time and effort just getting a girl to go out with you.
I only speak english, but I would like to know whether the race is a big barrier there compared to in North America where I already sort of feel like I am beginning with a big disadvantage that I need to overcome each time (I still date hot blondes typically, but know it would be much easier if I was white and equally attractive).
[QUOTE=Crack Baby]Does anybody think that Moscow is a good place for a visible minority from Canada/America?
I am East Indian but I talk with an American accent. And white girls here tend to find me handsome. And I have fairly great income relative to my age (24) here (and would be fairly wealthy there I assume).[/QUOTE]Hard to say, why don't you come and try it out?
I have some friends in your position (Indian but raised in America and decently wealthy as well as good looking and young) and they do quite well in Moscow. That said, I wouldn't try going to the provinces. The race card mixed with being American (culturally/linguistically if not by citizenship) will certainly pique Russian girls' curiosity but you'll have to get good at transitioning that curiosity into romance (something white foreigners don't have to deal with). Certainly they will be more curious about you and you will stand out in clubs, etc.
I think you will find some girls will be all over you because of your race, some will absolutely refuse to talk to you because of your race, and some will have boyfriends who will want to kill you because of your race.
All in all I think it could work in your favor as long as you are smart about how you play your cards. Go for that first group (curious girls) which you should find at clubs and cafes in Moscow and Piter, but avoid bars and I wouldn't leave Moscow without some friends.
Aurora 911 vs. Bordo
In the interest of the mongering public I have done some research on a Saturday night around 2am.
BLUF: I spent 30 minutes at Bordo and 3+ hours at Aurora 911. Bordo wasn't bad but 911 was great.
Bordo:
1000 entrance.
Smaller than Aurora 911.
Better furniture (nice relaxing couches)
15 to 20 girls. All Good looking.
No problem getting attention from the girls
Boring stage dancing. I didn't see the dancing girl get naked.
Aurora 911:
1000 entrance (new price they claim)
Bigger than Bordo (I like this)
Girls dancing at several stages
20+ girls (hot to smoking hot)
Dyevs: Young, smooth, thin, firm, pert (everything I love)
The Bordo girls weren't bad but some of the Aurora girls were amazing!
No problem getting attention from the girls
Excellent stage dancing will full nudity.
Several girls walking around completely naked.
Inspiring (yes, inspiring) performances on the pole
Mass performances every hour
Good service from waitresses, every place has a little push button that you press when you need something. Fast response in getting a drink, change, cigarettes, lighter, whatever.
To whoever is going to complain about the price. Yes, yes, I know. Neither of these places is about the cheapest sex you can get with the prettiest girl. It's about the show, the temptation, and the sheer beauty of being surrounded by perky, bouncy, Austin Powers Fembots for hours on end. Sorry, they just don't have that at a salon.
Last night I tried a club on a boat close to my hotel
Alexander Club
It's on a boat on the Moskva river close to 1905 ulitsa
entrance = 500 roubles
drinks = 400
Only two dancers and two waiters
The dancers are available (they have rooms)
One dancer was nice. Although she had no english and I have almost no russian)
By chance we manage to communicate in spanish
She told me the two waitresses (rated 8-9 in my book) were also available but when I asked one she said "no".
I thought I was exploring the lower end of the market when the dancer quoted "Dos mille" rubles" = 2000 rubles (what i deal !!!)
But when I handed her the money she told me no ! "Doce mille roubles" = 12 000 roubles for one hour !!!!!
So finally Aurora 911 might be a good deal given the quality of the talent described by fellow mongers there
All in all my two days in Moscow were dispappointing given the prices and my lack of skill of russian langage
But all these Dyevs in mini skirt in the streets .... Oh my God !!
[QUOTE=Kostaboda]
So finally Aurora 911 might be a good deal given the quality of the talent described by fellow mongers there
[/QUOTE]
You guys are making it difficult for me to stay "on point" and do my comparative shopping against 911.
Jake,
So, let's have some comparisons. What else have you found? Aside from NF and HD.
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Jake,
So, let's have some comparisons. What else have you found? Aside from NF and HD.[/QUOTE] Don't get me wrong Strav, all I'm saying is that so far, we are getting reports from others saying that 911 is the best out there. So it sort of takes the motivation to go and try out Bordo, the new SL, and Alexander Club.
As far as other strip places goes, I have to confess that outside of 911, the old 911 (on M. Dmitrovka), the old Safari Lodge and Violetta, I haven't seen much in Moscow.
As for other pick up places - I've just tried the usual list of hang outs (Tema Bar, Che, 16 Tons, Real McCoy, etc) with varying degrees of success. One notable surprise on the last trip was Road House. I was there with a small mixed group (including a girl I was screwing) listening to some jazz - blues music. There were a couple of expat guys sitting at a table when two VERY nice looking Dyevs came in the door looking for a place to sit. I followed these gals around with my eyes for a few minutes (the place is not very big) and eventually they asked the guys if they could share the table with them. Naturally, the guys agreed so the girls sat down. I'm pretty sure there was a language barrier at work judging from the hand signals and body language. But after a few beers and some shooters, both couples got up to dance. The hands started to roam and unfortunately the group I was with wanted to chance locations before I could see how the night turned out for these fellas, but it sure seemed to be going ok so far. Might be worth giving the Road House a try for some amateur talent.
And speaking of groups, a funny thing happened to me at Hot Dog's about a year ago. I was with a mixed group of expat guys and mostly Russian women. I won't get into specifics but it's one of these social groups aimed at getting expat guys to learn Russian and local Russian girls to learn English. Of course, there's always a stray English girl or Russian guy who weasels their way in but for the most part it's expat guys and Russian girls (Anyone who want to know more about these groups can PM me). We had met early on a Thursday night after work to go to the sauna. It's the usual type of social rent a sauna with beer, wine, snacks, etc. IT was all pretty social and non-sexual until after the sauna when someone suggested we go to Hot Dog's for a beer. It was only about 10:00 PM so there was not much expectation for any serious monger traffic.
We were a mixed group of about 12 people (7 guys and 5 girls) and were yucking things up at the bar drinking beer and a few shots. What was interesting was to see the reaction of the first shift of working girls around midnight. One of the guys and one of the five girls (local Russian gal working at a foreign consulate) appeared to be "hooking up" while the other four girls were watching us watching the working girls who were watching the non-working girls. It was a VERY strange dynamic.
The group broke off around 12:30 AM when the lucky couple got frisky. A few of us stayed behind and just about got mobbed by the first shift. Quite a funny experience. Take a social group to HD and use it as a mullet to stir things up.
[QUOTE=Jake993]it's one of these social groups aimed at getting expat guys to learn Russian and local Russian girls to learn English.[/QUOTE]I should think that the reputation of Chesterfield/Boar House/Hot Dog would be well known by now. Are you saying the Russian girls in the "social" group were surprised by what goes on there in the wee hours?
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]I should think that the reputation of Chesterfield/Boar House/Hot Dog would be well known by now. Are you saying the Russian girls in the "social" group were surprised by what goes on there in the wee hours?[/QUOTE]
As well-known as it is here on the forum, you might be surprised to learn that most Russians (even Moscovites) have no idea what HotDog's is. After all, there are plenty of bars where they can go to pick up equally attractive dyevs for free. NightFlight is better known among the native population, partly because of its central location, partly because of its relatively long history (going on 20 years).
I've written about both of these places in the past, but given that we don't have any permanent repository on ISG yet (tho Jackson is diligently working on it), I'll briefly summarize my findings here.
First off, I'll be upfront - strip clubs really aren't my thing. However, drinking is, and if a place is comfortable, affordable, and serves up cold beer without wait, then I'll like it whether there are nekkid chicks there or not. And in that sense, Aurora delivers the goods. They have a decent selection of reasonably priced drinks, the aforementioned service button ensures that they're delivered pronto, and the chairs are adequately comfortable. Furthermore, the girls aren't too pushy. For those of you who have been to places like the old Safari, you know what I mean. I can't count the times there where an undesireable girl started gyrating in my lap, and, after politely asking her to remove her behind from my crotch, she only redoubled her efforts, ultimately escalating to my telling her in the worst possible Russian to fuck off and never come back. You won't get that at Aurora. And as many have already mentioned, the girls are plentiful and have good-to-outstanding bodies. In my three times, I didn't see any gorgeous dancers there (supposed I'm jaded after my decade of living in Moscow), but the waitresses and hostesses are to die for.
Bordo, on the other hand, seemed to me to have better looking girls. Granted, I only went there once and quite a long time ago. It is, without a doubt, cozier than Aurora. And I like cozy. But the drink prices were simply ridiculous. Again, this was nearly a year ago, but Russian draft beer was going for a ruble per gram. I think Cafe Pushkin sells suds for less. Service was adequate, but the girls were pushing for sex at every opportunity, and I don't do that in such establishments. There are far too many gorgeous, high-end escorts to be had in the 4K-6K/hr range (in the comfort of my own bedroom) to spend 10K/hr for a dancer in the backroom of a strip club. At least that's my opinion - take it for what it's worth.
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]I should think that the reputation of Chesterfield/Boar House/Hot Dog would be well known by now. Are you saying the Russian girls in the "social" group were surprised by what goes on there in the wee hours?[/QUOTE] At first, all the "social" girls were feigning shock and disgust at what was going on, but within 15 minutes they were right in there giving opinions on which one they thought might be the best in bed. After a while, the "rabotnatsii" were picking up on what was going on and were almost playing up to the social girls making eye contact and then pointing at one of us as if to say, "tell him I will fuck his brains out so get him to pick me".
[QUOTE=Jake993]At first, all the "social" girls were feigning shock and disgust at what was going on, but within 15 minutes they were right in there giving opinions on which one they thought might be the best in bed. After a while, the "rabotnatsii" were picking up on what was going on and were almost playing up to the social girls making eye contact and then pointing at one of us as if to say, "tell him I will fuck his brains out so get him to pick me".[/QUOTE]
This is the sort of delightful social intercourse that is so lacking in western bars and clubs, and makes travel to Russia so enchanting!
[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]This is the sort of delightful social intercourse that is so lacking in western bars and clubs, and makes travel to Russia so enchanting![/QUOTE]Yeah, but you have to remember to be safe. Russian women are more likely carriers of many permanent diseases that western women don't have.
So be safe.
[QUOTE=Castonthis]Russian women are more likely carriers of many permanent diseases that western women don't have.[/QUOTE]Yeah, like STUPIDITY! That's probably where you picked it up. LOL
[QUOTE=Castonthis]Yeah, but you have to remember to be safe. Russian women are more likely carriers of many permanent diseases that western women don't have.
So be safe.[/QUOTE]
Are you Acolonizer in disguise ???
[QUOTE=Gergiev]Are you Acoloniser in disguise ???[/QUOTE]
Gergiev - you took the words out of my mouth! That, or we now have two idiots in our thread.
Idiots are your parents who grew you up. That's very interesting, here are a lot of rude people who are good at insulting people only. It is easy to guess how disgusting you are and how disgusting your "gilrfriends" are, this is the reason you find a lot of "beautiful" girls everywhere.
Instead to post information, you write insults: congratulations!
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Gergiev - you took the words out of my mouth! That, or we now have two idiots in our thread.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Acolonizer]Idiots are your parents who grew up you. That's very interesting, here are a lot of rude people who are good at insulting people only. It is easy to guess how disgusting you are and how disgusting your "gilrfriends" are, this is the reason you find a lot of "beautiful" girls everywhere.[/QUOTE]
Pizdyets, well that's certainly put us in our place!
Time to head for the Steppe...
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[QUOTE=Castonthis]You guys must be russians'. It is why you are probably upset so much because your women are dirty little *****s, including your mothers.[/QUOTE]
So if you don't like Russian women, what exactly are you doing in here ???
Full marks for pedantry though, sticking to the forum rules (*****s) while making such a blatantly xenophobic and misogynistic point.
Makes one almost nostalgic for Vince Voyeur and Romano V...
[QUOTE=Castonthis]You guys must be russians'.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the compliment! (BTW, an apostrophe is used to indicate contraction or possession, not plural).
I don't see why you are so upset. You are the one who proclaimed your ingnorance with your stupid post. We're just supporting your position. :)
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Thank you for the compliment! (BTW, an apostrophe is used to indicate contraction or possession, not plural).
I don't see why you are so upset. You are the one who proclaimed your ingnorance with your stupid post. We're just supporting your position. :)[/QUOTE]Incorrect about the apostrophe. You can use it for possession or plural it all depends on where you put it. Russians' are scum. Plural This is the casket's rod. Possesive. Cheers.
All I said was that I heard Russian women are dirty little sluts' and that using protection would be wise. That was all.
[QUOTE=Castonthis]Incorrect about the apostrophe. You can use it for possession or plural it all depends on where you put it. Russians' are scum. Plural[/QUOTE]CastInShit,
Keep 'em coming, the more you talk, the more ignorant you become. Soon you will qualify as a politician! I can't fault you too much though, English is a very difficult language, almost as difficult as Russian. What is your native language, by the way?
[QUOTE=Castonthis]Incorrect about the apostrophe. You can use it for possession or plural it all depends on where you put it. Russians' are scum. [/QUOTE]
CastinShit, this is getting surreal.
I've just realised you actually believe the above to be grammatically correct.
(We'll ignore the sentiment for the moment).
For your enlightenment, the apostrophe is never used in the way that you have instanced above.
Obviously English is not your first language.
Don't worry though.
If you need some English lessons, your Russian friends around here will be more than happy to correct your punctuation and grammar...
[QUOTE=Castonthis]
Russians' are scum (sic).
All I said was that I heard Russian women are dirty little sluts' and that using protection would be wise. That was all.[/QUOTE]
You really ought to be ashamed of yourself.
I see your last post was deleted.
Carry on like this and you'll be thrown out altogether...
[QUOTE=Castonthis]
Russians' are scum.
Cheers.
I heard Russian women are dirty.
[/QUOTE]
Yo Crustypiss.
Sorry to upset your apple kart, but women of the west, on the cleanliness scale, and on the faithful scale, from 1 to 10, rank right on the bottom.
30 years of mongering in the west is all the proof I need, I have seen the filthiest most degrading diseased infested tramps willing to fuck the most disgusting totally infected males for nothing more than bragging rights. And if you include even the smallest amount of money into the mix, there are no limits to how far or how low western females will go. Try to imagine the worst possible extent of mistrust and dishonesty, the utmost degradation, and the lowest depths of depravity, and combine that with such a complete and utter absence of health, hygiene, or concern for life, and you have some idea of what lengths many minorities, white trash, and party girls will lower themselves to, for a crack rock, or a dollar, or just a dick.
Say Curtsywuss.
In comparison, I will admit that I haven't spent a lot of time in the slums of Siberian mining towns, or the dirt poorest villages, but there can be no comparison in the fierce pride and superstitious dedication of the proletariat and the serfs, and even of the average 18-21 year olds that I have diddled. Sure they may not spend their cash on deodorant, and their feet sometimes are funky and certainly deformed and badly blistered from wearing heels instead of un-sexy flats and clogs and sneakers like american women, but their distinctive scent is not disgusting but in fact somewhat sexually musty in an earthy in-heat kind of pheromone way.
Uh, CatheterTits.
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]
CastInShit,
[/QUOTE]
Strav, we are eternally grateful...
не за что :)
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]CastInShit,
Keep 'em coming, the more you talk, the more ignorant you become. Soon you will qualify as a politician! I can't fault you too much though, English is a very difficult language, almost as difficult as Russian. What is your native language, by the way?[/QUOTE]Obviously you don't know enough of the English language. And no English isn't my first language, it's spanish & italian, then English, but I learned it at an American university. And I stand by my comment on what an apostrophe can be used for.
I visited Night Flight after a looong business dinner last Wednesday at around 2am. Place was almost empty. Only a bunch of customers and around 20 girls all in the range of 6-8. Girls looked all bored and kept bugging me the moment I entered. Apperantly they had tried everyone else, and I was the only potential customer there. Still, they did not feel embarrassed to ask for any less than 400 euros! There were only 2 girls who could attract my attention. A busty blonde in early thirties with a pretty face. I asked her to cut the crap talk, and make me a price offer I won't resist. She asked for 500 euros! Kindly declined and moved on to other girl who was there in a fancy smart-casual grey blouse and skirt. Maria was her name, and she has a regular job at a bank, at late twenties. She looked as if she came there straight from work. Decent english to maintain a conversation. We sat upstairs and had few drinks before talking any money. I was telling her how stupid it is to ask 400-500 euros in the current economic crisis and lack of customers, and she'd understand it well as she is working at a bank!.
I then asked her to make me an offer that I won't negotiate. She found it funny, gave it a thought for few seconds, and asked for 10.000 rubles "till morning". I had only euros with me so I countered it with 200 euros that she accepted, but asked for some taxi money for the morning.
She had a pretty nice body, and was quite friendly, but sex was nothing special although she did comply with my requests. DFK, DATY and BBBJ included.
Her alarm went off at 6am, and she asked if she could leave as she would be going to office in 2 hours. One more round of quick sex and I paid her a 1000 ruble bill for the taxi and let her go. All and all 3plus hours of sex for 200eur + 1000 ruble + the two cognacs I bought her at the club was no bad deal for a girl from Night Flight.
Happy Mongering
Mattador,
Let's see...
02:00 to 06:00 is 4 hours, so if you had 3 hours of sex, this means that you only spent an hour in the club before you negotiated this deal and were back home in the sack, not bad!
200 Euro is approx 9,000 руб. + another 1,000 = 10000 руб. plus 1,000 for drinks = 11,000 руб.
Compared to Aurora 911; 800 entry + 10,000 for an hour of sex in a private apartment with a 22 y.o. blond babe from Yekaterinberg, + 2,000 for a couple of private dances and another 1,200 for drinks = 14,000 руб.
All things considered, for an extra 3,000 руб., I'll take the night at 911.
[QUOTE=Castonthis]Obviously you don't know enough of the English language. And no English isn't my first language, it's spanish & italian, then English, but I learned it at an American university. And I stand by my comment on what an apostrophe can be used for.[/QUOTE]
What more is there to say ???
Gergiev,
Nothing more to be said. At this point it seems CastAway wants to debate us about the extent of his ignorance.
Let's get back to talking about something interesting, like how we can meet women for sex!
[QUOTE=Castonthis]Obviously you don't know enough of the English language. And no English isn't my first language, it's spanish & italian, then English, but I learned it at an American university. And I stand by my comment on what an apostrophe can be used for.[/QUOTE]You are wrong. An apostrophe can be used for possessive or plural possessive. For example
"The skank's smelly hole." <-- One skank, one hole.
"The skanks' smelly holes." <-- Several skanks, each with a hole.
"The skanks' have smelly holes." <-- Written by an ignoramus and incorrect.
The only exception to this is "its" and "it's" in which "its" is possessive although it has no apostrophe, since "it's" is a contraction of "it is."
There you go.
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]
200 Euro is approx 9,000 руб. + another 1,000 = 10000 руб. plus 1,000 for drinks = 11,000 руб.
Compared to Aurora 911; 800 entry + 10,000 for an hour of sex in a private apartment with a 22 y.o. blond babe from Yekaterinberg, + 2,000 for a couple of private dances and another 1,200 for drinks = 14,000 руб.
All things considered, for an extra 3,000 руб., I'll take the night at 911.[/QUOTE]
I've written at length about Night Flight and its many faults. But hooker bars in general will always be my preferred hunting ground for p4p in any city. And the only things they share with strip clubs is that both involve sex, drugs (ie alcohol) and rock-n-roll. The vibe, the timing, the girls' attitude (and yes - that's the way the apostrophe's correctly used)... they're all completely different. Frankly, if you're just looking at the economics of sex, it's hard to beat a salon: 2,500 (less than 80 bucks these days) for a solid hour of sex with an attractive girl. But we're not, are we? No, there's something in all of us that appreciates some semblance of a chase. Of a challenge. And when it's just thrown there in front of us (or worse, pushed on us), then we're not all that interested. Which is why we gravitate towards places where we have to work a little - whether it's bargaining the girl down even when you make several times her salary, chatting up an initially uninterested dyev at a local watering hole, or convincing a girl you met online to take that tentative first step and meet over coffee.
Gee Guys! you know people of different or hard to understand opinion exist.
Whats the point of goading them. Sometimes the best response is no response. I'm gonna be there again in September. Auroa911 sounds overpriced compared to apartment girls advertising at the moment.
As usual Moscow is disorganised and overpriced again. Luckily i'm visiting Vladivostok on the way home. Now theres a gem of city. Cheers Nickc
[QUOTE=Nickc]As usual Moscow is disorganised and overpriced again. Luckily i'm visiting Vladivostok on the way home. Now theres a gem of city. Cheers Nickc[/QUOTE]
Going through Vladivostok on the way home ... to America?
I thought we essentially had to enter Russia via Moscow or St. Pete's?
Are there flights from America entering Russia from the East?
[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]I thought we essentially had to enter Russia via Moscow or St. Pete's? Are there flights from America entering Russia from the East?[/QUOTE]There is no requirement that foreign tourists enter Russia at Moscow or Piter. Anyplace where a plane lands in Russia, that's where you enter the country. A geologist friend of mine used to take a non-stop flight from Anchorage to Magadan and that's where he entered Russia. But that service doesn't exist anymore.
The trick is to find a flight that begins outside of Russia and lands someplace other than Moscow or Piter.
Stravinsky, good perspective.
here's another math :
8 Mojitos, 2 packs of cigarettes, ice cream and maybe 1-2 more drinks = 6000 rubles
Generous tips to her while she's dancing = 1000 + 500 + 500 = 2000 rubles
3 hours of chatting on every possible topic but sex, then getting digits of that 22yr fabolous girl from a small town on the black sea coast, and meeting and fucking her next day, the full day, and few days later again, in the comfort of your hotel is priceless..
That's also Aurora 911 ;)
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Mattador,
Let's see...
02:00 to 06:00 is 4 hours, so if you had 3 hours of sex, this means that you only spent an hour in the club before you negotiated this deal and were back home in the sack, not bad!
200 Euro is approx 9,000 руб. + another 1,000 = 10000 руб. plus 1,000 for drinks = 11,000 руб.
Compared to Aurora 911; 800 entry + 10,000 for an hour of sex in a private apartment with a 22 y.o. blond babe from Yekaterinberg, + 2,000 for a couple of private dances and another 1,200 for drinks = 14,000 руб.
All things considered, for an extra 3,000 руб., I'll take the night at 911.[/QUOTE]
I visited the Adrenalin Massage Parlor one afternoon while was in the Belarouskaya Area. The place is just across to Holiday Inn Lesnaya, on Lesnaya ul. 35/4. I think the flat number was 37. They have a seperate bell anyway too that is easy to notice though.
[url]http://www.rusdosug.com/salon.php?id=250[/url]
Prices are 1 hour = 1800 RUR, 1.5 hours 3000 RUR.
5 girls in the range of 5-7. The mamasan was the best-looking, but she was not working. I chose a petite slim brunette, Lana, who had some basic english to communicate.
You get a decent classic massage, and an OK erotic massage that consists of body-to-body, tit-job, neck- and hand-job under immense amounts of massage oil (johnson baby oil). You then finish on her body. That was a nice experience. Tipped her 300 RUR. Got her digits too. Apperantly she was available to meet outside but never had the chance to call her back in this visit.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]... But we're not, are we? No, there's something in all of us that appreciates some semblance of a chase. Of a challenge. And when it's just thrown there in front of us (or worse, pushed on us), then we're not all that interested. Which is why we gravitate towards places where we have to work a little - whether it's bargaining the girl down even when you make several times her salary, chatting up an initially uninterested dyev at a local watering hole, or convincing a girl you met online to take that tentative first step and meet over coffee.[/QUOTE]
Very well said Pizdyets. It's the challenge of the chase that's compelling. The hunting gene becomes dominant, and the victory of hunting adds to the joy and beauty. Otherwise, very pretty girls are usually one call away at your fingertips from the escort services for 200 euros an hour. Do I negotiate that too ? Of course!
Mattador,
Here's another one you might be interested in:
[url]http://www.rusdosug.com/salon.php?id=394[/url]
It just opened in May and it has the same general rezhime robota as the other massage parlors. Not much of a selection yet, but that might improve with time. I picked Lola, and she was great, but she was the only option the night I was there.
The main advantage Koshka has is it's location, on Petrovka, at the end of Цветной бульвар, so it's right in the center of town. It's a low, 2 story building right next door to Petrovka 38 (due east?).
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]There is no requirement that foreign tourists enter Russia at Moscow or Piter. Anyplace where a plane lands in Russia, that's where you enter the country. A geologist friend of mine used to take a non-stop flight from Anchorage to Magadan and that's where he entered Russia. But that service doesn't exist anymore.
The trick is to find a flight that begins outside of Russia and lands someplace other than Moscow or Piter.[/QUOTE]You can also enter by train/bus/car. I've entered Russia (on a visa) via train from Ukraine several times with no problems. In fact, a good trip for some people here might be to get to Ukraine cheaply, then take a train to provincial Eastern Russia. There are lots of small cities that would be great for the small town monger (Bez I'm looking at you). Oryol, Bryansk, Voronezh, Kursk, Smolensk, etc. If you look at a GDP map of Russia, these oblasts have some of the lowest GDP's per capita yet are almost entirely ethnically Russian (if Tatar/Udmurt girls aren't your thing).
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]
The main advantage Koshka has is it's location, on Petrovka, at the end of Цветной бульвар, so it's right in the center of town. It's a low, 2 story building right next door to Petrovka 38 (due east?).[/QUOTE]
Strav - please tell me that they don't really dress like the musical!
[quote=latexian2]oryol, bryansk, voronezh, kursk, smolensk, etc. if you look at a gdp map of russia, these oblasts have some of the lowest gdp's per capita yet are almost entirely ethnically russian (if tatar/udmurt girls aren't your thing).[/quote]
hook a brother up! where are those maps?!?
and btw, i think you meant slavic rather than russian. i don't have anything against slavic girls, but the asiatic looking russians always seem to attract me in ways the slavic girls don't. speaking of which, just found out that my favorite waitress at aurora (who i kept saying looked like a latina) is from uzbekistan. can't be a day older than 19 though. more bez's speed than mine. :) i tend towards the 25-28 range - like a woman with a bit more experience with the male equipment!
nope me not US me NZ. Eastern Russian can be entered from many different cities from China and Korea. One time i even caught a ship from Sokcho, Korea (24 hrs at sea) that was great entering Vladivostok Harbour by sea.
There was even action on board.
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Gergiev,
Nothing more to be said. At this point it seems CastAway wants to debate us about the extent of his ignorance.
Let's get back to talking about something interesting, like how we can meet women for sex![/QUOTE]I was always talking about sex. Sex is good but you guys aren't posting pictures of hot hookers. You can have better sex in De Wallen than what some of you guys are having in Russia. Bez that goes for you. You just have sex with anything?
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Strav - please tell me that they don't really dress like the musical![/QUOTE]Huh, say what?
Oh... classical reference.
No, no costumes (слава Богу ). But I seem to recall she did have little whiskers painted on her pussy. Which begs the question: which comes first, the pussy or the cat?
[QUOTE=Castonthis]I was always talking about sex. Sex is good but you guys aren't posting pictures of hot hookers.[/QUOTE]Castonthis,
Thank you for the warning about safety. You're right, it is important to be safe. But, it's important to be safe, everywhere; in eastern Europe, in western Europe, in America, Asia, Africa, Australia and, yes, even at the North Pole (I don't know this for a fact mind you, but I heard a rumor that those Chukchi girls are real sluts!).
Do you honestly believe that there is anything you can tell us here, in this forum, about Russian women that we, in our collective experience, do not already know? If you have actually been to eastern Europe and have some first-hand experiences to relate, then we welcome your report. Or, if you have an honest question to ask about some aspect of meeting women for sex in eastern Europe, then I'm sure someone here will be willing and able to answer you.
But, please, do not waste our time by posting heresay BS opinions. It insults our intelligence, demeans yours and just takes up valuable disk space.
If you want pix, we invite you to come to Russia and take some of your own. Maybe you can post some here.
BTW - I hope you are prepared for a thorough tongue-lashing from Bez. :)
[QUOTE=Nickc]
There was even action on board.[/QUOTE]
Do tell! Sounds like a good story!
Strav, no it's not a rumor Chukchi girls have some nice ways.
Don't know about North Pole but in Russia Chukchi are located on Chukchi Peninsula/Chukotski Peninsula.
Plus there are plenty of other "eskimo" type of people like Yupiks, Sireniki, Koryaks, Lamuts, Yukagirs etc.
If you're into urbanised Chukchi girls recommended places to visit are Uelen and Ambarchik on Chukhotka. That is if you find the way to get there.
Chukchi girls and sex? Everythnig is possible but first better obtain the permit from girls father he he. Sometime he will even request to watch you performing after offering you the local "viagra" in the form of frozen raindeer penis he he.
Today only small portion of Chukchi live in tent communites and take care of their raindeer without most traces of civilisation. Chukchi girl of 15 looks like she's 30 and that of 30 looks like she's 60. Chukchi people mature very early -at 14 most of them are married and they grow old fast not living more than 50. I meet a Chukchi Kutkh shaman who looked like 100 years old but in fact he was 47.
We spent with Ilona an evening and I was satisfied with it a lot.
She turned to be cheerful and fresh, full of energy, an outstanding lady.
She has sporty well-groomed body, beautiful breasts with small sexy nipples, also smooth and pleasant skin.
She is intelligent and very sociable, ready to talk on different topics, we spent a good time, she drove me around, knows a lot about Moscow history, that was important for me as I am always in a rush and didn’t manage to take a tour around. Also she really speaks good English, rare among her colleagues, so we had a good talk and I managed to try what I actually met with her for. Sex was wonderful, she was wearing stockings, heels and lingerie, a splendid view! Also she was great at massage.
All these together made the meeting quite a worthy experience!
I found her on this site : [url]http://www.vipelegantescort.org[/url]
I am on the point to try this new "channel" for me. Does anybody got some experience on sponsoring some girls, and also the rules to follow, things to do : not to do?
I will probably use mamba.ru site
thanks
[QUOTE=Castonthis]
you guys aren't posting pictures of hot hookers.
You can have better sex in De Wallen than what some of you guys are having in Russia.
Bez that goes for you.
You just have sex with anything?
[/QUOTE]
I noticed, Cheapshits, that you aren't posting pictures of ANYTHING, because you'd have real trouble focusing your lens with your head so far up your own ass.
On the other hand, you could probably make excellent Colonoscopy fotos!
Hot hookers?
I guess your so completely ignorant that you're unable to figure out that the best looking girls NEVER EVER allow photos, so what you see here on ISG is only a fraction of what's really out there.
Though how on earth, would you have any inkling what hot russian hookers actually look like, since the closest you'll ever get to one is gonna be wanking off to some dvd of czech butt-fuckers in the sex park, or from dreaming that the faggots dick you're sucking through the glory hole at the public restroom in your city park is really your own being blown by your mother?
Here's one of those have sex with anything mistakes I regret having met without getting your prior approval, Mr. Chimpshit.
Alona:
[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]I noticed, Cheapshits, that you aren't posting pictures of ANYTHING, because you'd have real trouble focusing your lens with your head so far up your own ass.
On the other hand, you could probably make excellent Colonoscopy fotos!
Hot hookers?
I guess your so completely ignorant that you're unable to figure out that the best looking girls NEVER EVER allow photos, so what you see here on ISG is only a fraction of what's really out there.
Though how on earth, would you have any inkling what hot russian hookers actually look like, since the closest you'll ever get to one is gonna be wanking off to some dvd of czech butt-fuckers in the sex park, or from dreaming that the faggots dick you're sucking through the glory hole at the public restroom in your city park is really your own being blown by your mother?
Here's one of those have sex with anything mistakes I regret having met without getting your prior approval, Mr. Chimpshit.
Alona:[/QUOTE]
Ah, the master at work...
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]I hope you are prepared for a thorough tongue-lashing from Bez[/QUOTE]
Strav, there is a god...
[quote=pizdyets]hook a brother up! where are those maps?!?
and btw, i think you meant slavic rather than russian. i don't have anything against slavic girls, but the asiatic looking russians always seem to attract me in ways the slavic girls don't. speaking of which, just found out that my favorite waitress at aurora (who i kept saying looked like a latina) is from uzbekistan. can't be a day older than 19 though. more bez's speed than mine. :) i tend towards the 25-28 range - like a woman with a bit more experience with the male equipment![/quote][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/file:russian_subdivisions_grp_per_capita.svg[/url]
note that is gdp per capita and not average salary, so take that with a grain of salt. still, i think it highly correlates to salary. basically it's what you expect, moscow and petersburg along with oil-rich eastern siberia have the highest gdp per capita. the volga region does well also. but the "black earth" belt is pretty far down the totem pole, and has lots of medium sized cities which are perfect for the monger. big enough to be interesting during down time and to be able to date multiple girls with no issues, but small enough to be cheap so you can be the big fish.
[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]I noticed, Cheapshits, that you aren't posting pictures of ANYTHING, because you'd have real trouble focusing your lens with your head so far up your own ass.
On the other hand, you could probably make excellent Colonoscopy fotos!
Hot hookers?
I guess your so completely ignorant that you're unable to figure out that the best looking girls NEVER EVER allow photos, so what you see here on ISG is only a fraction of what's really out there.
Though how on earth, would you have any inkling what hot russian hookers actually look like, since the closest you'll ever get to one is gonna be wanking off to some dvd of czech butt-fuckers in the sex park, or from dreaming that the faggots dick you're sucking through the glory hole at the public restroom in your city park is really your own being blown by your mother?
Here's one of those have sex with anything mistakes I regret having met without getting your prior approval, Mr. Chimpshit.
Alona:[/QUOTE]You have anger issues don't you?
Freighter Action!
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There was even action on board. Do tell! Sounds like a good story!
Hello Hello in 2005 Oct i a caught ship from Sokcho Korea ro Vladivostok.
You got a choice of 5 different classes. Some with mattress on floor and some with private or shared cabins. There are many Russians and Koreans on board. The Russians party while the Korean are shocked. Its great. They have bars and cafes and nightclub and restuarant. Some girls were returning from work in Seoul, and on the way home there were girls going to work in Seoul. I meet some at the bar and why not? It was great trip. I read a report in the 'Other Areas' forum about Vladivostok and i just couldn't understand it.
He didn't like it, it just goes to show 2 people can experience the same city and totally different experiences. Vladivostok is a gem, and forgive me boys for not reporting on this before. From July 8 2009 there is new ship going Donghee (South Korea) to Vladivostok. It also does the Japan trip as well. Again i would assume girls from Russia would be on board that one as well. I know not new pricing of new ship. It holds 500 passengers, 66 cars and 130 containers. There is a restaurant, recreation room, game club, shop, night club and sauna. It travels up the Sea of Japan or as Koreans call it the Korean Sea. Being out at sea on such an exotic trip with great ship is one of my highlights. If i was Russian in Moscow i'ld get on the Trans Siberian and go live in Vladivstok. If i could i would anyway. The Airfares from Seoul and Tokyo to Vladivostok are extorionist $800 us, so i went by ship. Look at Wikitravel regards Vladivostok. will send photos soon. I'll write more, but sleep beckons me. Cheers Nickc. And remember boys sometimes it best to respond to people who are stressed out on this forum.
[QUOTE=Nickc]Freighter Action!
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Originally Posted by Nickc
There was even action on board. Do tell! Sounds like a good story!
Hello Hello in 2005 Oct i a caught ship from Sokcho Korea ro Vladivostok.
You got a choice of 5 different classes. Some with mattress on floor and some with private or shared cabins. There are many Russians and Koreans on board. The Russians party while the Korean are shocked. Its great. They have bars and cafes and nightclub and restuarant. Some girls were returning from work in Seoul, and on the way home there were girls going to work in Seoul. I meet some at the bar and why not? It was great trip. I read a report in the 'Other Areas' forum about Vladivostok and i just couldn't understand it.
He didn't like it, it just goes to show 2 people can experience the same city and totally different experiences. Vladivostok is a gem, and forgive me boys for not reporting on this before. From July 8 2009 there is new ship going Donghee (South Korea) to Vladivostok. It also does the Japan trip as well. Again i would assume girls from Russia would be on board that one as well. I know not new pricing of new ship. It holds 500 passengers, 66 cars and 130 containers. There is a restaurant, recreation room, game club, shop, night club and sauna. It travels up the Sea of Japan or as Koreans call it the Korean Sea. Being out at sea on such an exotic trip with great ship is one of my highlights. If i was Russian in Moscow i'ld get on the Trans Siberian and go live in Vladivstok. If i could i would anyway. The Airfares from Seoul and Tokyo to Vladivostok are extorionist $800 us, so i went by ship. Look at Wikitravel regards Vladivostok. will send photos soon. I'll write more, but sleep beckons me. Cheers Nickc. And remember boys sometimes it best to respond to people who are stressed out on this forum.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the report, Nickiwi! I guess I shouldn't be too surprised, as I've met plenty of Russian girls working the bars in Korea - mostly from Vladivostok or Khabarovsk. On the whole, I'd have to say they're some of the nicest Russian girls I've met who were working in Asia. By contrast, the Russian girls working in Japan and China have sadly been greedy b!tches.
Cheers all. Take note of photos 'sights' and 'sights 2'.
I'll do a report regards the city itself later.
Nickc.
Nick,
Thanks for the pix of Vladivostok. Are these recent?
Interesting, it almost looks... warm.
[QUOTE=Latexian2][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Russian_subdivisions_GRP_per_capita.svg[/url]
Note that is GDP per capita and not average salary, so take that with a grain of salt. Still, I think it highly correlates to salary. Basically it's what you expect, Moscow and Petersburg along with oil-rich Eastern Siberia have the highest GDP per capita. The Volga region does well also. But the "black earth" belt is pretty far down the totem pole, and has lots of medium sized cities which are perfect for the monger. Big enough to be interesting during down time and to be able to date multiple girls with no issues, but small enough to be cheap so you can be the big fish.[/QUOTE]
Great stuff - thanks! Time for me to try Kalmykia!
Pizdyets, what you don't like Checnya and Ingushetia, they are at the bottom of the list?
Klamikya and it's capital Elista is weird place.
Hard to get there, mainly by bus from Volgograd and if you survive road bandits you can see the Elista capital and the president Kirsan Ilyumzhinov.
Know in the world as president of FIDE (world chess organisation), he is also local oligarch who spent lots of money on chess promotion and introduced chess as compulsory subjects in local school.
If you go there present yourself as future world chess champion and maybe president himself wil give you few Kalmik girls to take home.
Strav, check my post where I talked about Vladivostok as top mongering destination.
Based on that map it looks like Kostroma is the European oblast with the lowest GDP per capita. Anyone been?
But in general the following medium-sized cities in the "black earth" region are mostly cheap and would be good to hit up for 2-3 days each: Voronezh, Belgorod, Kursk, Ryazan, Tula, Tambov, Lipetsk, Penza, Oryol, Kaluga, Smolensk.
Anyone up for a tour through some of those sometime?
[QUOTE=Kurenda]Strav, check my post where I talked about Vladivostok as top mongering destination.[/QUOTE]I remember your post about Vladivostok, but a picture is worth a thousand words.
[QUOTE=Kurenda]Pizdyets, what you don't like Checnya and Ingushetia, they are at the bottom of the list?
[/QUOTE]
I figured someone would ask that question. The answer is simple. Kalmyk are Buddhists, while the majority of the guys down there in the asshole of Russia (eg Chechens, Ingush, Avars, Dargins, Lezgins, Kumyks...) are Muslims. If you fuck a Buddhist's sister, he's likely to invite you over for shashlik. Fuck a Muslim's sister, and he's likely to invite you over, cut you up, and serve you [b]as[/b] shashlik. Don't get me wrong, I think Chechen girls are super hot. I'd just rather keep my testicles attached to the rest of my body, thank you very much.
Oh, and I do enjoy a good chess match!
On that attachment of Latex's, the lightest blue color is the poorest GDP.
On the big map, those are regions, right?
What's that light blue region in the center?
Its Kostroma.
Ok Kurenda, need a monger report on Kostroma.
That has to be the place for trashiest russian white slavic trash, aka, the Motherload of the Motherland, to spurt the mother of all loads into the mother I'd like to fuck.
[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]On that attachment of Latex's, the lightest blue color is the poorest GDP.
On the big map, those are regions, right?
What's that light blue region in the center?[/QUOTE]
Lake Baikal...
[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]Its Kostroma.
Ok Kurenda, need a monger report on Kostroma.
That has to be the place for trashiest russian white slavic trash, aka, the Motherload of the Motherland, to spurt the mother of all loads into the mother I'd like to fuck.[/QUOTE]
I've actually been there - as part of a Golden Ring tour. The Resurrection Church there is one of the most beautiful in Russia. Like any of the smaller cities outside of Moscow, the girls are just as cute and much more available than in the big city. Furthermore, the White God Factor is still alive and well in such places. As for Kostroma, it didn't seem any poorer than, say, Vladimir or Ivanovo. Regional focus is on textile production, so typical blue collar work.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]
As for Kostroma, it didn't seem any poorer than, say, Vladimir or Ivanovo.
Regional focus.
[/QUOTE]
For some reason, at least in the map, its GDP is lower, so if you look at the rest of the region, there doesn't seem too much of anything except tiny country villages, not that the other regions are different in that respect.
I did try to follow the train routes, to see where they transit to, and they don't seem to transit to anywhere. Maybe in the other "Ring" oblasts, it seems that you pass through them, and eventually you end up somehwere, but transiting through Kostroma oblast, you end up nowhere except ZhopaFuck, FSU.
So at least in those other oblasts, they get some transit business, after leaving Moscow, there are the first ring of oblasts, then the second ring, like Kostroma, seems to be the one region, that if you continue onward, you end up in nothing, that is to say, Kostroma is the end of the line, and you've gone all the way, and at the end, there's nothing there, except maybe reindeer turds?
Still, the small regional city on the Volga looks like a perfect place to monger. I guess the best option would be to have a nice yacht, and sail down the river from May to September, stopping in each city for a week or two, to taste the local flavor, maybe pick up a few galley wh0res along the way to swab your deck and clean out your bilges.
Ah, if only I was an Oligarch......
[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]
Still, the small regional city on the Volga looks like a perfect place to monger. I guess the best option would be to have a nice yacht, and sail down the river from May to September, stopping in each city for a week or two, to taste the local flavor, maybe pick up a few galley wh0res along the way to swab your deck and clean out your bilges.
Ah, if only I was an Oligarch......[/QUOTE]
Yup - Voronezh ranks below Kostroma in terms of GDP per capita. And you're almost assured of finding a red-blooded Slavic hottie willing to do most anything there... Though I'm the last person to be schooling the Master of the Regions, aren't I?
Hey fellow mongerers in Moscow. I will be in Moscow in the first three days of August and I would like to know whether eva.escort.ru is a good escort agency? Do you recommend?
Thank you in advance?
My view is that its most likely to catch a virus from that site. I mean a computer virus. All that advertising and thoe colours and layout are a warning to beware.
Regards Aurora 911 and paying 10,000 rubles for one hour plus entry and drinks and dances etc etc. Gee! they is ripping us off. Bring back old Safari and Shandra.
Its one thing Aurora 911 fails to understand is that if you offer good and fair service you will get more customers and make even more money. Just overpricing a few customers just gives them even less customers. Once bitten twice shy rules in Moscow. Cheers Nickc
[QUOTE=Latexian2][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Russian_subdivisions_GRP_per_capita.svg[/url]
Note that is GDP per capita and not average salary, so take that with a grain of salt. Still, I think it highly correlates to salary. Basically it's what you expect, Moscow and Petersburg along with oil-rich Eastern Siberia have the highest GDP per capita. The Volga region does well also. But the "black earth" belt is pretty far down the totem pole, and has lots of medium sized cities which are perfect for the monger. Big enough to be interesting during down time and to be able to date multiple girls with no issues, but small enough to be cheap so you can be the big fish.[/QUOTE]
Yeah it's by far a semplification... GDP is far different with salary. Some eastern Siberia regions are at the moment one of the 10 parts of the world with higher GDP, but they still live in poor dachas.... Same for Moscow in the "bigger Moscow" (you get to the town by unexpencive ride with eletricka and metro) the salaries are still around 200-300 USD.
A skilled and trained metro driver (a safe job with some housing benefits) gets approx 15.000 - 18.000 RUR a month (after training, some year service etc) which is at maximum a poor 400 €, but usually he/she gets a 45-50 sq meter flat for 100 € a month or so (including heating, eletricity, water and local phone) in the area of the train deposit. The same netto income in WE is between 1.700-2.500 € both usually for 36 hours a week.
Girls making low class works, or studying, normally rent a flat an live there in 3-5 to share the cost: usually 400-500 USD a month very far from the centre... usually in suburb cities (dormitories like Zelenograd) 1,5 hours ride with the efficent soviet era transports (i'm not joking!). Their income as waiters, shop assistant, low level clerks etc is always lower than the metro driver. Of course you might find very skilled 25-28 y.o. nice girls, may be working for a big western company, for a bank, or the municipality, often more paid than in Berlin or NY, but they are very very few. Herd of high ranking clerks at 5.000 USD/month, not directors obviously... The get much more in today's Russia!
Just my two cents
IT
[QUOTE=Nickc]My view is that its most likely to catch a virus from that site. I mean a computer virus. All that advertising and thoe colours and layout are a warning to beware.
Regards Aurora 911 and paying 10,000 rubles for one hour plus entry and drinks and dances etc etc. Gee! they is ripping us off. Bring back old Safari and Shandra.
Its one thing Aurora 911 fails to understand is that if you offer good and fair service you will get more customers and make even more money. Just overpricing a few customers just gives them even less customers. Once bitten twice shy rules in Moscow. Cheers Nickc[/QUOTE]
In [url]www.intimcity.ru[/url] you find acceptable girls for 10.000 RUR/night not hour! and you get no virus! (the PC I mean!)
May be not a beauty but 9000 RUR (anal BBBJ, CIM, Facial included) poper not retouched or photoshopped photos... not a beauty but good comments, I'm not pimping just making a sample.... [url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=83049&style=1[/url]
Of course if you go in higher price class you'll find stunners like the Sharapova.... may be 15-20 kRUR night but 10.000 RUR/hour is a real Ripoff!
IT
[QUOTE=It Travel]Yeah it's by far a semplification... GDP is far different with salary. Some eastern Siberia regions are at the moment one of the 10 parts of the world with higher GDP, but they still live in poor dachas.... Same for Moscow in the "bigger Moscow" (you get to the town by unexpencive ride with eletricka and metro) the salaries are still around 200-300 USD.[/QUOTE]Podmoskove isn't so nice, I agree, but salaries surely are higher than 200-300 USD considering the Russian average is over 500 USD. I would guess in the neighborhood of 700-1000 USD isn't far from typical (obviously students make less than that).
hey fellow mongers,
there has been much written about gypsy cabs and security in general in moscow. i want to share a data point and to raise a warning about the potential danger of using gypsy cabs in moscow. just to clarify, the gypsy cabs i am referring to are the privately owned cabs whom cruise streets of moscow looking for clients to drive around town at the wave of a hand. it's normally and affordable and efficient way to get around an otherwise very expensive city.
the ex-girlfriend of an expat friend of mine was coming home from a popular night club a few weeks ago. sure she was drunk, like many party girls, when she left the club but not falling down. she has used gypsy cabs countless times without incident so there was no reason to believe she was in any danger. she walked out to the street to flag down a cab but before she could even get her hand out, a fairly nice bmw or audi pulls over and the driver offers her a ride. naturally, despite the well groomed caucasian (from caucasus) driver, a ride home in a nice german car was much more attractive than a stinky broken down lada.
on the way home the conversation was light and when she asked him to pull over at a kiosk so she could buy some water, he jumped out and offered to buy her some as he wanted to pick up some beer. he returned to the car and went through the motions of removing the cap and handing her a nice cool bottle of water while he put the car and gear and they drove off.
that was her last memory until she woke up several hours later on a park bench in a strange park of town. her cell phone was gone. her purse was empty, her wallet was gone. and while her clothes were more of less intact, she knew that she had been raped.
she went to the police and while being sympathetic, they explained that this sort of thing is happening with increasing frequency. gypsy cab guys are drugging unsuspecting well dressed targets and rolling them. but it did not stop there. later that day she went online and was shocked to discover that during the course of the trip she (they) had withdrawn over $3500 in debit card withdrawals and cash advances.
this is not a working girl. she's a very attractive and well educated and sophisticated lady and while i must admit i am trying to "jump her bones" she's still a friend and hearing about her unfortunate experience makes me sick.
as more time passes, she has flashbacks and faint recollections of trying to push him off her. she remembers trying to fight back but her limbs were powerless. she was responsive to suggestions and even thinks she may have even typed in her pin codes herself at the bankomats. either that or she was compliant in repeating her pin. apparently there are several "date [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]" drugs that will render you totally compliant to suggestion and often powerless to fight back.
this could happen to anyone. male or female.
do not get in a cab that stops and offers you a ride. get out on the street and wave one down. sure the same thing could happen, but you are much likely to be a victim if you are the one selecting the driver. one who stops and offers is probably selecting you because of the way you are dressed, your age, gender, etc. this warning also applies to the guys at the airport. if they are choosing you, it's probably not random.
these guys are predators and they are watching you. be careful guys.
It seems to me this kid of incident has been reported on before: someone accepted something to drink from a cab driver and was lucky to survive the experience.
It will be tough to get around Moscow without using gypsy cabs. It seems to me the more important warning is not to accept any kind of food or drink from strangers, particularly gypsy cab drivers. And bartenders at Hot Dog's!
And, yes, if someone pulls over and targets you for a pick-up, then probably best to look elsewhere and flag down your own ride. But I can't imagine how you would get around town without gypsy cabs, particularly after midnight.
I know may be I’m speaking like an old soviet style guy but…. There are lots of advices here. I must say I am going to Moscow since it was the heard of Soviet Union so maybe I know something!
Let’s start from the end :D
AIRPORT
The gipsy taxi (usually with fake ID’s) knows well that you have all your belongings with you when you arrive at the airport: cash, camera, clothes, luggage, may be a PC and most of all passport and Credit Cards.
The way in avoiding any hassle is very very simple. Reserve a transfer from/to the airport from a major agency. Both Intourist and Akademservice (reliable agencies) have booths at SVO and DME or can be contacted by phone, service is reliable (30-60 USD), always on time (they have hundreds of drivers) and 100% safe. You do not even pay the driver, you pay the company and even get the invoice. Normally you get the driver at the booth escorting you to the car, otherwise when they pick you up at the hotel they usually communicate the plate and the car type!
CITY
The safest and fastest way to get around is, by far, the metro! Learn some Cyrillic and use it, but it closes at 1.30 a.m. (but opens again at 5.30 a.m. ;) for those who are real late!
Getting a long taxi ride in the middle of the night might be problematic in real safety. As Jake says might that gipsy taxi are only old/cheap cars! May be a Lada or a old Opel imported used from Germany 10 years ago… no BMW, Mercedes, Audi or Lexus! Avoid lifts!
The best ways (some time used but a little bit expensive) are three.
1) When you get out of your hotel ask for the number of the hotel taxi service… (they all have one, or with the name of the hotel and/or well identifiable like taxis, usually some times new Volgas, or medium sized European or Japanese cars. Kempinski has a Maybach!) I’ts expensive, usually a start rate at 500/800 RUR but totally safe.
2) If you speak acceptable Russian you can just phone a taxi company, and they will answer usually with the plate number of the car the time and the price. Sometime you will get the plate number by SMS. The taxi companies in Moscow are hundreds (legal and safe ones).
3) Hire a private driver (lists on Moscow Times or on several internet sites). Thre are still drivers with own old Ladas you can hire for approx. 20 USD/hour, just tell him by phone that you will be out of the bar, restaurant, club at around 2.30 a.m. the guy will wait to 3.30 no problem.
The last is my favorite method and I use always the same guy so… easy to recognize. But in 90% I use the metro.
PAPERS
By the way in Moscow now all that’s expencive is payable with a Credit Card (apart girls! No card strip in the pussy! :p :p ) so practically you need to limit the sum you can take out from an ATM. My cards are all limited to 250 € (or closer equivalent) per day of cash, when mongering I take some cash with me too…
If you need for some reason some more cash there is always the “Old Method” go to a bank with your passport, card and ask for an advance… take some minutes but it’s much safer!
By the way one of the most searched items is your Passport with visa. It might be used before you are even at the police! So the safe way is. Leave the passport at the hotel, get with you a copy of the passport, a copy of the visa page, the copy of the number issued from OVIR, your national ID card or your driving licence and a proof that you are in that hotel.
In Russia it should be mandatory to carry your passport always, but I have been stopped some times by the police, both in car both walking with no passport and this papers, just checking and saying nothing. In the worst case they could fine you some hundred roubles… (of course for huge shopping or other things you might need the passport for using the credit card!).
Just my two cents
IT
a similar story, from one girl that i kept asking her to go home in a taxi instead of the bus late at night, as i simply thought it would be nicer for her to have door to door transportation, but she explained that when she was 16 she was in a cab in the middle of the day in the middle of the city, and a cabbie pulled a gun on her, drove her somewhere deserted, raped her, and being a dumb kid, she was too scared to report it, but would never put herself in that situation again, alone with a strange man in a cab.
i don't know if it has anything to do with the way a girl looks, but this dyev was overly younger looking, though she had shown me her id that proved she was 19 years, she had a very young face that could have easily passed for around 15, and very skinny but with enormous boobs. maybe if she was just a plain jane unattractive type, she would not have been a target, but if her story was true, then her [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126][CodeWord126][/url] could have had some reasons why he picked her.
obviously, if you call a dispatcher and a radio driver comes, there is at least some record of that, but being a young uneducated lady with a stubborn streak and typical superstitious russian nature, her mind was made up that it was the bus or she would just have to hoof it, but there was no way she's gettin' in any taxi by herself again.
I've been to "profi" massage (no sex), located on the sadovao caltsio, zemlonie val 18, near Kurskaya Bokzal.
[url]http://massageprofi.ru/photo.htm[/url]
It is located 100 meters from where I leave, and I think I will become a regular customer.
Appartment is very nice, good bed, nice jacuzzi in the bathroom. Everything is clean.
on a Thursday night 23.00 there was a choice of 4 or 5 girls, all quite OK 6-7.
I took a nice little brunette which is my type, perfect body, small breast (but I liek small breast).
rates were 1300 rubles for 1 hour classique and erotic massage + 800 if you want to touche the girl, which I obviously choose.
There is also a program half in the room half in the jacuzzi which must be a good fun.
Massage was perfect, hand finishing so-so.
All in all after a hard day at work, a perfect place.
[QUOTE=Passepartout]I've been to "profi" massage (no sex), located on the sadovao caltsio, zemlonie val 18, near Kurskaya Bokzal.
[url]http://massageprofi.ru/photo.htm[/url]
All in all after a hard day at work, a perfect place.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I wish I had a place like that within walking distince of my house.
There are a lot of massage parlors in the Kurskovo Vokzala area. Assorti is just down the street from Profi. Have you tried any others?
Does Profi have prices for 90 min sessions or 2 girls?
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]
It seems to me the more important warning is not to accept any kind of food or drink from...bartenders at Hot Dog's!
[/QUOTE]
Hey Strav, what are you getting at here ???
[QUOTE=Passepartout]
rates were 1300 rubles for 1 hour classique and erotic massage + 800 if you want to touche the girl, which I obviously choose.
[/QUOTE]
So, Passepartout, what does "touching" include in this case? Tits, I'm guessing. What about fingering? Kissing? DATY? For 2100, you're getting in the range of where you can have full sex at decent salons.
[QUOTE=Gergiev]Hey Strav, what are you getting at here ???[/QUOTE]
I'm fairly certain that I've spent a bit more time at HotDog's than Strav has (actually, it's probably 10x more). And I've never had a problem with the bartenders there except for slow service. That said, I've had more than one friend drugged there by OTHER CUSTOMERS. My advice: always keep an eye on your drinks, boys, and if it tastes in any way strange, you're best advised to stop drinking it immediately and make a beeline for home. Alone!
[quote=pizdyets]i'm fairly certain that i've spent a bit more time at hotdog's than strav has (actually, it's probably 10x more).[/quote]pizdyets,
i think you are very much mistaken about that, bro. the amount of time you have spent in hot dog/boar house/cf vs. myself is more like x 1,000! :)
you're right, aside from their surly attitude, i don't expect much from the bartenders at hd, other than to be short-changed. but then, i suppose they are actually doing me a favor. they are simply taking their tip in advance and saving me the hassle of calculating 25% of 150 руб.
[quote=gergiev]hey strav, what are you getting at here ???[/quote]gergiev,
there used to be an isg/wsg member who posted on this board with the handle of [b]one o nine[/b]. he was one of the savvy(est) moscow mongers we have ever had. i remember one time he reported being drugged in hd/bh/cf. drugging people for the purpose of robbing/beating/[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]/murder has been going on for a long time in russia and eastern europe and he was perfectly aware of what can happen if you let your drink out of your sight. according to his account his beer did not leave his sight from the time he received it from the bartender until the moment he realized that he was on that long, slow journey to complete disaster.
there was some discussion about the incident here at the time and the conclusion was that the only time the drug could have been placed in his drink was prior to the time he received it from the bartender.
btw, his old posts make some interesting reading.
[quote=stravinsky]
gergiev,
there used to be an isg/wsg member who posted on this board with the handle of [b]one o nine[/b]. he was one of the savvy(est) moscow mongers we have ever had. i remember one time he reported being drugged in hd/bh/cf. drugging people for the purpose of robbing/beating/[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]/murder has been going on for a long time in russia and eastern europe and he was perfectly aware of what can happen if you let your drink out of your sight. according to his account his beer did not leave his sight from the time he received it from the bartender until the moment he realized that he was on that long, slow journey to complete disaster.
there was some discussion about the incident here at the time and the conclusion was that the only time the drug could have been placed in his drink was prior to the time he received it from the bartender.
[/quote]
strav, a cautionary tale alright...
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Yeah, I wish I had a place like that within walking distince of my house.
There are a lot of massage parlors in the Kurskovo Vokzala area. Assorti is just down the street from Profi. Have you tried any others?
Does Profi have prices for 90 min sessions or 2 girls?[/QUOTE]
I didn't try anything else yet, but august will be a busy month for me :-) I will report then.
I am not sure about this program with 2 girls, I will ask next time.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]So, Passepartout, what does "touching" include in this case? Tits, I'm guessing. What about fingering? Kissing? DATY? For 2100, you're getting in the range of where you can have full sex at decent salons.[/QUOTE]
It was only fingering I guess.
Honestly speaking, I sometimes prefer a good massage with happy ending during 1 hours, rather than a mechanical "protected" sex. Btw, my experience is saloon as always been good in comparison with saloon that offers sex.
Finally I went to this place. I am already a big fan. A must see during a trip in Moscow in my opinion. I think that we, happy moscovite boys, are too used to eat caviar, we do not appreciate at his value what is an outstanding place that we would die to see in many countries.
Prices of drinks are cheaper than in other places, and the small surprise every hour is just fantastic to see and to live.
I didn't try the 10 000 RUR private session as I was enjoying my evening with friends of mine, but wanted to do it with a least 2 girls.
Only 1 issue: we didn't manage to be setaed near the stage in the sofas, but were only on seats. Not the best for the 200 RUR lap dance. Someone knows what you have to pay to get a place on the sofas?
[QUOTE=Passepartout]
Only 1 issue: we didn't manage to be setaed near the stage in the sofas, but were only on seats. Not the best for the 200 RUR lap dance. Someone knows what you have to pay to get a place on the sofas?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that's definitely an issue. Of the 4 times I went, we only got seats on the sofas once, and that was laaaaate at night when there were no other customers. The hostess said you need a club card to reserve the sofas, but maybe she was just giving us an excuse.
sorry tale about the women drugged by the taxi man. what can i say! the guys a cowardly creep. those kind of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] drug crimes unfortunately can and do happen the world over. the difference is that where i'm from, its front page news but in moscow no one cares. i've always been a little apprehensive about taxis in moscow. i often walked all over the show from tverskaya to prospect mira or boarhouse etc. i like walking and i just felt a lot safer walking. that is until i had my wild dog incident. i'm sure you've all heard about the wild dog problem in moscow. i was walking home one night
and this crazy wild wolf like dog came from no-where and and was just inches from hand barking madly like he was going to kill me. my heart and mind paniced but i maintained my same walking movement not deviating an inch and he just kept skriking deathly barks. after what felt like an eternity he winced and just stopped and watched me walk away. i almost had a heart attack in relief. from that time on i carried dog mace. that said moscow is pretty safe compared to some other cities in the world. its a damn side safer than st petersburg anyway. cheers nickc. p.s. be there sept.
[quote=stravinsky]gergiev,
there used to be an isg/wsg member who posted on this board with the handle of [b]one o nine[/b]. he was one of the savvy(est) moscow mongers we have ever had. i remember one time he reported being drugged in hd/bh/cf. [/quote]actually it was me that got drugged and barely made it home, that was 24 hours previous to my 4 new freebie day, so maybe there was something good about that drug after all.
109 had another horror story from hd/bh/cf in which he took home a "freebie", she tried to drug him and when it didnt work out chased him around his apartment with a knife... while they were both naked.
ya lublu moskvu![quote=nickc]sorry tale about the women drugged by the taxi man. what can i say! the guys a cowardly creep. those kind of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] drug crimes unfortunately can and do happen the world over. the difference is that where i'm from, its front page news but in moscow no one cares. i've always been a little apprehensive about taxis in moscow. i often walked all over the show from tverskaya to prospect mira or boarhouse etc. i like walking and i just felt a lot safer walking. that is until i had my wild dog incident. i'm sure you've all heard about the wild dog problem in moscow. i was walking home one night
and this crazy wild wolf like dog came from no-where and and was just inches from hand barking madly like he was going to kill me. my heart and mind paniced but i maintained my same walking movement not deviating an inch and he just kept skriking deathly barks. after what felt like an eternity he winced and just stopped and watched me walk away. i almost had a heart attack in relief. from that time on i carried dog mace. that said moscow is pretty safe compared to some other cities in the world. its a damn side safer than st petersburg anyway. cheers nickc. p.s. be there sept.[/quote]i had a pack of wild dogs surround me once in himki, while a group of drunk skinheads took notice of me at the same time... on that lonely night a lada stopped and i got in offering him any price to get me the fuck outta dodge. :)
as for [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]... i've said it before, but i personally know a few girls that have been raped... these aren't party girls either, but just girls who were in the wrong place at the wrong time. unfortunately [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] is a largely unpunished crime in russia. i'm sure plenty of girls on the party circuit get more or less raped and just accept it as part of the program.
as for moscow vs. st.pete... i hear you bro. st.pete has a really dark and ugly side to it underneath all the touristy oohs and aahs.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]109 had another horror story from HD/BH/CF in which he took home a "freebie", she tried to drug him and when it didnt work out chased him around his apartment with a knife... while they were both naked.[/QUOTE]OK, I know I'm not going crazy.
Doc, yes, I do remember the "naked knife fight" report from 109, but that was the [b]2nd[/b] time he was drugged. And it didn't take place at HD/BH/CF, but later at his apartment.
His first report about being drugged at Hot Dog's was on June 4, 2005. If you look into the 2005 archive the discussion starts on page 36 and continues to page 35.
It stuck in my mind because I remember thinking if experienced Moscow mongers like you and 109 can be drugged, what chance does a poor shmuck like myself have?
My conclusion was to stay away from Hot Dog's altogether, and from what I saw when I stopped by in May of this year, that's probably still good advice.
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]OK, I know I'm not going crazy.
Doc, yes, I do remember the "naked knife fight" report from 109, but that was the [b]2nd[/b] time he was drugged. And it didn't take place at HD/BH/CF, but later at his apartment.
His first report about being drugged at Hot Dog's was on June 4, 2005. If you look into the 2005 archive the discussion starts on page 36 and continues to page 35.
It stuck in my mind because I remember thinking if experienced Moscow mongers like you and 109 can be drugged, what chance does a poor shmuck like myself have?
My conclusion was to stay away from Hot Dog's altogether, and from what I saw when I stopped by in May of this year, that's probably still good advice.[/QUOTE]Ooops, sorry...
All this talk of HD kinda makes me wanna go there... I just avoid it because I hate the stupid 10.000 ruble "dance".
Why dont they just go back to $150/night and keep everybody happy and business up?
[QUOTE=Mell74]Hi all,
Have anybody have an info of this girl or a picture of her (including fucking her!)?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]
Why do you ask? Is it your wife? Daughter? Sister?
Was in Moscow the week of July 26th. I have to tell you that it was pretty hum drum when compared with the two weeks I spent previously in Turkmenistan. I urge you all to visit my report in the Turkmenistan forum.
What is getting frightening in Moscow is that I had "unpaid for" sex more times last week in Moscow than "paid for" sex. Of course, "unpaid for" sex is not free by any stretch of the imagination. It just means that I have managed to cultivate a sufficient number of fuck buddies (for now) in Moscow. But things change fast so I certainly enjoyed it while I could.
Please visit the Turkmenistan thread for details on my trip.
Here's a crash course on how to call up and meet with pros in moscow.
Includes a free bonus course on how not to spot a surveillance cam while you're there.
[url]http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=y&u=http://nordeurope.kp.ru/daily/24339.4/530152/&sl=ru&tl=en&history_state0=[/url]
Can someone help me ? I am not sure if Aurora 911 is diferent than the 911 erotic club.
Looking for nude dancers, nude lap dances with options.
Is there a website for Aurora ? I saw [url]www.911club.ru[/url], but I am not sure if this is it.
I think I want Aurora 911 - have some drinks, nude dances, etc.
Other suggestions are welcome - will also be looking for easy-to-fine, and preferably english, erotic massage.
Thanks!
[QUOTE=Monger10]Can someone help me ? I am not sure if Aurora 911 is diferent than the 911 erotic club.
Looking for nude dancers, nude lap dances with options.
Is there a website for Aurora ? I saw [url]www.911club.ru[/url], but I am not sure if this is it.
I think I want Aurora 911 - have some drinks, nude dances, etc.
Other suggestions are welcome - will also be looking for easy-to-fine, and preferably english, erotic massage.
Thanks![/QUOTE]
Yes - that's the site. But there are two or three locations so the site is a bit generic.
[QUOTE=Jake993]Yes - that's the site. But there are two or three locations so the site is a bit generic.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I will check it out.
For an erotic massage on a salon/parlor, can someone give detailed directions to a suggested place? I don't know Russian, and tried to find a couple places. No luck.
I tried Rasputin in the afternoon for a massage. $3500RUB +$5000RUB tip. After less than 10 minutes she starting yanking like there was no tomorrow. Tried to slow her down and she said "no. Thats all". Afterwards I said10 minutes bad and I want to talk to the lady (manager) again. She then gave me a 2nd 30 minute massage.
Then later that evening I wanted to just sit and enjoy the shows (I had it twice already that day). That was fun. Sampled nude dances at my table, then a lesbian show, lots of groping. Was there 3 hours and spent about $7000RUB.
[QUOTE=Monger10]$3500RUB +$5000RUB tip.
Was there 3 hours and spent about $7000RUB.[/QUOTE]How much is the dollar/ruble these days? Did they accept dollar/euros as well?
[QUOTE=Monger10]I tried Rasputin in the afternoon for a massage. $3500RUB +$5000RUB tip. After less than 10 minutes she starting yanking like there was no tomorrow.[/QUOTE]OMG!
8,500 руб for a HJ??? What's this world coming to?
Go to 911 Aurora, it's a little more expensive, but you will enjoy yourself much more. You could be a deaf, dumb and blind paraplegic and enjoy yourself there.
Well...maybe not blind. :)
[QUOTE=Monger10]I tried Rasputin in the afternoon for a massage. $3500RUB +$5000RUB tip.
Was there 3 hours and spent about $7000RUB.[/QUOTE]Your math sucks.
I'm heading to Moscow next month for my first time, I heard Safari Lodge closed. Can anyone shed any light on this!!! Someone told me to go to Night Flight that it was the best Moscow has to offer. Can my fellow mongers please help me out on this.
Harleyguy,
Do you speak any Russian?
[QUOTE=Harleyguy2531]I'm heading to Moscow next month for my first time, I heard Safari Lodge closed. Can anyone shed any light on this!!! Someone told me to go to Night Flight that it was the best Moscow has to offer. Can my fellow mongers please help me out on this.[/QUOTE] Check your private messages.
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]On sextalk.ru, posting this kind of specific information is запрещено (forbidden): they will ban you from the site. [/QUOTE]Are you registered user on sextalk.ru? May be with some reports in KLS?
[QUOTE=Monger10]
I tried Rasputin in the afternoon for a massage. $3500RUB +$5000RUB tip. [/QUOTE]
My guess is this means 500R "tip" and not 5000R.
So total of 4000R instead of 8500R...
Or at least I hope it does!
[QUOTE=Gergiev]My guess is this means 500R "tip" and not 5000R.
So total of 4000R instead of 8500R.
Or at least I hope it does! [/QUOTE]It was accurate. A promise of a good time. $3500RUB PLUS $5000=$8500RUB. The worst ripoff I ever had.
Later that evening I went just for the show. Drank beers, had nude dances at my table and spent $7000RUB.
[url]http://www.kalina-service.ru/[/url]
I tried this one and was pretty happy. Just wanted a massage - no FS.
It was a GREAT massage, about 1 hr, 15 mins. $2500RUB ($80).
Attention all in the right places. She didn't even ask for a tip, but I was happy enough I tipped $2000RUB.
[QUOTE=Razkolnikov]How much is the dollar/ruble these days? Did they accept dollar/euros as well?[/QUOTE]$1USD = approx $32RUB.
I am not sure if they accept euro of USD.
Of course be careful and get prices up front! That was a mistake I made...my 10 minute ripoff cost me close to $300.
I'm going to moscow next week.
Any suggestions to enjoy the most beautiful Russian humus without beeing ripped off?
Also links are welcome.
[QUOTE=Master Sergeant]Are you registered user on sextalk.ru? May be with some reports in KLS?[/QUOTE]I have a handle on sextalk and I've made a few inept attempts to contribute, no КЛС reports though. Those guys are the real Moscow pros. I'm just a dilettante.
[QUOTE=Monger10][url]It was a GREAT massage, about 1 hr, 15 mins. $2500RUB ($80).
Attention all in the right places. She didn't even ask for a tip, but I was happy enough I tipped $2000RUB.[/QUOTE]A 2,000 руб tip for a 2,500 руб massage? And no sex?
Could I get a loan?
[QUOTE=Monger10][url]http://www.kalina-service.ru/[/url]
I tried this one and was pretty happy. Just wanted a massage - no FS.
It was a GREAT massage, about 1 hr, 15 mins. $2500RUB ($80).
Attention all in the right places. She didn't even ask for a tip, but I was happy enough I tipped $2000RUB.[/QUOTE]You tip way too much. This monger thinks you cross the line between generosity and foolishness.
Prolly made her really happy though... :)
[QUOTE=Joe Bi]
Any suggestions to enjoy the most beautiful Russian humus without beeing ripped off?
[/QUOTE]
All you need to do is study all reports from Monger10 and then go out and do the exact opposite.
Then you'll be fine...
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]A 2,000 руб tip for a 2,500 руб massage? And no sex?
Could I get a loan?[/QUOTE]
You are right the standard rate for massage (with pop off) one hour is 1,200-1,800 depends on how the girl is, may be a nice 18teen is worth 2.000, but with no drilling for me she is worth 3 kopeks, somebody remember the coin for the metro (not the green plastic...) :D :D
IT
[QUOTE=It Travel]You are right the standard rate for massage (with pop off) one hour is 1, 200-1, 800 depends on how the girl is, may be a nice 18teen is worth 2.000, but with no drilling for me she is worth 3 kopeks, somebody remember the coin for the metro (not the green plastic.).
IT[/QUOTE]Guess I need to cut the tipping down!
Everything here is so expensive and I'm used to my colleagues spending tons of money (even more than me) on this stuff. I'm learning now how to gauge it! Thanks to those that had 'constructive' criticism.
Solons are a good option
In a kiosk buy znakomctba (50 rb), pick up a number (there are hundreds) and call.
I do not speak enough russian to understand on the phone, so I ask a taxi driver to do it for me and to drive me there (up to the door)
Done it today at 8 909 641 34 61, chosen Vika (the one on the picture on the magasin was not there) and had 2 hours of restless sex.
Total 1000 for the taxi driver, 6000 for the salon and 1000 tip for Vika, total 8000 (250 USD), it was really worth it
It may be a little more expensive in a salon where the girls speak english
[QUOTE=Monger10]Everything here is so expensive and I'm used to my colleagues spending tons of money (even more than me) on this stuff.[/QUOTE]You're right, there are people in Moscow who simply have too much money, and that's OK, if you spend it on the right stuff. Like a new Prada handbag for your Russki girlfriend who is giving you sex "for free". LOL
I prefer to pay for sex, I save a lot of money that way.
First rule in sex mongering, free or pay: never waste own money.
You should study this thread before to start any monger activity. And Hecker's reports too.
In specific, Moscow is a very touristic city where people are used to get money as many as possible in exchange of nothing.
This is a reason because the global crisis is not hitting girls and prostitutes and P4P inflation is high.
N.B. Please, stop to pay those absurd prices right now!
[QUOTE=Monger10]Guess I need to cut the tipping down!
Everything here is so expensive and I'm used to my colleagues spending tons of money (even more than me) on this stuff. I'm learning now how to gauge it! Thanks to those that had 'constructive' criticism.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Chercheur]Solons are a good option
In a kiosk buy znakomctba (50 rb), pick up a number (there are hundreds) and call.
I do not speak enough russian to understand on the phone, so I ask a taxi driver to do it for me and to drive me there (up to the door)
Done it today at 8 909 641 34 61, chosen Vika (the one on the picture on the magasin was not there) and had 2 hours of restless sex.
Total 1000 for the taxi driver, 6000 for the salon and 1000 tip for Vika, total 8000 (250 USD), it was really worth it
It may be a little more expensive in a salon where the girls speak english[/QUOTE] Way to get it done Chercheur. There's no shame in getting a little help fro the taxi driver. ESPECIALLY if it keeps the prices down.
Hi mongers!
I still have a few questions for you.
Went to Night-Flight, was offered 500 euros by at least 15 dev. They did not accept any bargain, so I went back home alone. Did I miss anything? The place is not even nice to have a beer as dev. Are only interested in the 500 euros.
Went to Hot-Dog, much better, a place to have a beer and talk to the dev. Was offered 300 euros. As it was late and I was not sure of what I would get, I went back home alone. Did I miss anything?
Are there other places where you can have a good time and possibly pick up a girl (for a decent price)?
Are there tochka? I was told to go on the bank of the river at Vorbevi gori in the evening, worth it?
Where or how can I meet elderly women not (or not only) for sex?
Thanks to the forum and to you mongers who already helped me a lot.
Instead you have done a good job, you haven't wasted your sweaty money and you weren't weak in front of those stupid b******!
First, 500 and 300 euros are absurd quotations.
Second, never talk in euros, only in dollars, better in rubles.
Third, 300 dollars for a 10-hours night is the best price for them.
Fourth, this is a crisis time, you must remember there are thousands of girls ready to do everything for you also for 50 dollars.
Fifth, for those quotations, you could find a good escort in your own country too. If you don't need any specific female requirements, you could try German FKKs or go to cheaper countries and towns.
As you have described, prostitutes in Moscow usually say "Give me money and bye bye."
I had better luck with freebies, not models but free sex, except for the dinner. I always try with twenties, twenties in Slavic countries is like fourties in Western Europe, therefore it doesn't make sense to try with girls of my age.
[QUOTE=Chercheur]Hi mongers!
I still have a few questions for you.
Went to Night-Flight, was offered 500 euros by at least 15 dev. They did not accept any bargain, so I went back home alone. Did I miss anything? The place is not even nice to have a beer as dev. Are only interested in the 500 euros.
Went to Hot-Dog, much better, a place to have a beer and talk to the dev. Was offered 300 euros. As it was late and I was not sure of what I would get, I went back home alone. Did I miss anything?
Are there other places where you can have a good time and possibly pick up a girl (for a decent price)?
Are there tochka? I was told to go on the bank of the river at Vorbevi gori in the evening, worth it?
Where or how can I meet elderly women not (or not only) for sex?
Thanks to the forum and to you mongers who already helped me a lot.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Chercheur]Went to Night-Flight, was offered 500 euros by at least 15 dev. They did not accept any bargain, so I went back home alone. Did I miss anything? The place is not even nice to have a beer as dev. Are only interested in the 500 euros.
Went to Hot-Dog, much better, a place to have a beer and talk to the dev. Was offered 300 euros. As it was late and I was not sure of what I would get, I went back home alone. Did I miss anything?[/QUOTE]You did the right thing Chercheur, keep your money in your pocket and walk.
Best to stay away from Night Flight and Hot Dog's, they are a complete waste of time and money. Time was when there were some hot women in there, for reasonable prices, but those days are long gone and they're not coming back.
However, if you are in Moscow for the first time, then I suppose every true believer must make the pilgrimage at least once. Then move on to something else.
Don't let the girls play the Euro/Dollar switch on you. There is a BIG difference between them: 500 Euro is approx 700 USD. I can tell you right now, you won't find any woman in either place that's worth 700 USD, even if she stay's until 06:00.
The going rate for 1 hr. of sex in Moscow is 2,500 to 3,000 rubles. This is about 75 to 100 USD at today's rates. If you are paying more than that, then you are paying the tourist premium. Nothing wrong with that, as long as you understand that you are paying a premium, just for being a tourist.
If you don't speak any Russian then your options will be very limited. The best value is in the salons. Places like Fantasys and Charmel have people who will actually come and get you, if you call them and you are within walking distance. For the other salons, either massage or full service, you can probably find a taxi driver who will be willing to help you find the place and get you in. This isn't rocket science, once you're in, the girls know why you're there and can take care of the rest. All you have to do is pay.
[url]http://www.rusdosug.com/indi36367.htm[/url]
Went for Mishel. Outcall. I like variety, but also like a sure thing. I would call her again. I hope I spent reasonably! $6000 rubles outcall, about 1.5 hours total. Her photos are definitely glamour shots, but in person she was still pretty attractive with an awesome body. Anything goes, as seen in her bio. Unrushed, and did a few of the different things in her bio.
She speaks almost no English, but we communicated just enough.
I have trouble trying to find some of the salons, and have wasted many hours looking for them, so also to save time (which also saves me money), I went for outcall.
I also tried looking for Koshka, but no luck. If anyone has specific directions to a good salon, let me know. I wound up on Danilovskaya, but could not find the building.
[QUOTE=Chercheur]Went to Night-Flight, was offered 500 euros by at least 15 dev. They did not accept any bargain, so I went back home alone. Did I miss anything? The place is not even nice to have a beer as dev. Are only interested in the 500 euros.[/QUOTE]Sounds high. Even for NF. Haven't been there for quite a while, though. Actually, I think the last time was with Bezzy, and he was being quoted 300 bucks (IIRC).
[QUOTE]Went to Hot-Dog, much better, a place to have a beer and talk to the dev. Was offered 300 euros. As it was late and I was not sure of what I would get, I went back home alone. Did I miss anything?[/QUOTE]I've never paid more than 8,000 rubles (175 euro) at HD for 1:1 (including FS, DFK, BBBJ and occassionally offered even BBFS), and that's until 6am at the very earliest. That said, I haven't been in a couple months at least, so maybe things have changed (though I doubt it). You have to consider that it's expensive for a girl to ply her trade at such places, and the costs are passed onto you, the consumer.
Hi guys,
I am back in Moscow after one year. Last time your advices were very preciuos, so now I kindly ask you some urgent info again, with urgency. The problem is that I have just arrived in the city and will stay a couple of days, I did not have the time to prepare muyself in advance.
Is there in Moscow any salon where to find nice girls and stay with them for a session without going to hotel?
Are they open in the afternoon or just in during evening? Which prices?
Last year I was at Bordo club (it was written like this, sorry french friends) in Pevchesky Pereulok, 4 and have a great session, even if a bit expensive. Is it still alive?
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Sounds high. Even for NF. Haven't been there for quite a while, though. Actually, I think the last time was with Bezzy, and he was being quoted 300 bucks (IIRC).
I've never paid more than 8,000 rubles (175 euro) at HD for 1:1 (including FS, DFK, BBBJ and occassionally offered even BBFS), and that's until 6am at the very earliest. That said, I haven't been in a couple months at least, so maybe things have changed (though I doubt it). You have to consider that it's expensive for a girl to ply her trade at such places, and the costs are passed onto you, the consumer.[/QUOTE]Was there recently and while the starting prices were ridiculous (15,000 RUR) I had no trouble getting down to 6,000 for all night, although I didn't take anybody home.
[QUOTE=Osmotico77]Hi guys,
I am back in Moscow after one year. Last time your advices were very preciuos, so now I kindly ask you some urgent info again, with urgency. The problem is that I have just arrived in the city and will stay a couple of days, I did not have the time to prepare muyself in advance.
Is there in Moscow any salon where to find nice girls and stay with them for a session without going to hotel?
Are they open in the afternoon or just in during evening? Which prices?
Last year I was at Bordo club (it was written like this, sorry french friends) in Pevchesky Pereulok, 4 and have a great session, even if a bit expensive. Is it still alive?[/QUOTE]
SALON
Fantasys
Kozitskii pereylok
dom 3
+7(495) 799-46-57
Located across the street from Night flight and down Kozitsiy Pereulok about 200 meters. Call and they will meet you on the street.
Bordo is still there. Also try Aurora 911 located on Petrovka street across from the Marriott Aurora.
Good luck
HEY - what's going on out there in Mow-town?
Cripes it's like a morgue on this forum.
Somebody tell a joke already.
SKANK - are you holding out on us? I know you're there........
Yeeeesh
Taxis drivers are definitely a good help
Today I decided to test a girl of intimcity. Ru (some pictures are really beautiful, some say they offer much).
Went to a taxi driver and did ask him to call them on the phone. First one was not working today. Second one did not answer. Third one had increased her price from 2500 to 5000 an hour and was not available before midnight (BTW does anybody has any experience with intimicty or that kind of site? )
So I decide to go to a salon I found on Mamba, 2000 an hour. It was far away, off we went and talking to the taxi driver, I asked him if he knew tochkas. Of course, he knew!
We then went just outside the periferic on the road to Vladimir, and he showed me 3 tochkas. It is a little off the road, a young guy or an elderly woman ask you how much you want to pay 6500 or 7500 and call the girls accordingly. Not so many girls at a time, as little as 1 and not much that 5. It was daytime (7 or 7:30) and I do not know if there are more girls later. Not very beautiful girl either. So I asked the elderly woman to direct me to a good lay. She introduced me to Maria.
Maria went to my apartment, she is not a stunning blondika, she is 6 or 7, but I had a great time having sex with her. She stayed with me from 8 to past midnight.
I will go back to that tockhka. First I want to test other girls and second I want to pick up Maria again.
Is there anywhere where one can have short stay of 1 or 2 hours in a hotel or apartment or similiar.
Is a Sauna the only answer.
I do recall a modern short stay complex with great rooms, that was about
4 years ago, but i was to occupied to remember where it was.
Someone wrote recently that some hotels are guest friendly.
I'ld love to know which ones they are, because my experience has only been to the contrary.
Cheers Nickc
[QUOTE=Jake993]HEY - what's going on out there in Mow-town?
Cripes it's like a morgue on this forum.
Somebody tell a joke already.
SKANK - are you holding out on us? I know you're there........
Yeeeesh[/QUOTE]
We're all sitting inside our flats waiting for your arrival, Jake. You think we'd want to party without you? ;)
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]We're all sitting inside our flats waiting for your arrival, Jake. You think we'd want to party without you? ;)[/QUOTE] Don't bullshit a bullshitter!!!!! ;)
I know when someone's blowing smoke up my skirt (so to speak).
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]You did the right thing Chercheur, keep your money in your pocket and walk.
Best to stay away from Night Flight and Hot Dog's, they are a complete waste of time and money. Time was when there were some hot women in there, for reasonable prices, but those days are long gone and they're not coming back.
However, if you are in Moscow for the first time, then I suppose every true believer must make the pilgrimage at least once. Then move on to something else.
Don't let the girls play the Euro/Dollar switch on you. There is a BIG difference between them: 500 Euro is approx 700 USD. I can tell you right now, you won't find any woman in either place that's worth 700 USD, even if she stay's until 06:00.
The going rate for 1 hr. of sex in Moscow is 2,500 to 3,000 rubles. This is about 75 to 100 USD at today's rates. If you are paying more than that, then you are paying the tourist premium. Nothing wrong with that, as long as you understand that you are paying a premium, just for being a tourist.
If you don't speak any Russian then your options will be very limited. The best value is in the salons. Places like Fantasys and Charmel have people who will actually come and get you, if you call them and you are within walking distance. For the other salons, either massage or full service, you can probably find a taxi driver who will be willing to help you find the place and get you in. This isn't rocket science, once you're in, the girls know why you're there and can take care of the rest. All you have to do is pay.[/QUOTE]
What is the going rate for those salons - Fantasys and Charmel?
Thanks.
Oh my pork god, but are salons the only good choice in Moscow?
[QUOTE=Barmer67]What is the going rate for those salons - Fantasys and Charmel?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Chercheur]
Taxi driver showed me 3 tochkas.
for 7500 the elderly woman introduced me to Maria.
she is 6 or 7, stayed with me from 8 to past midnight.
I want Maria again.
[/QUOTE]
For that kind of fun, $240 in the big city, was about the minimum price at Hot Dog if you didn't want to sit there for several hours drinking with the shitty music blasting waiting around to bargain down the price, and certainly there are some younger pro ho's that you could rate as 6's at Hot Dog, so same prices, and about same quality level, if the best you could find after 3 different tochkas was a 6.5/10 ? But you did say it was early before 8 PM, and most of the tochka stories here have been late night, so maybe quality might go up?? But then, many more stories not to get there too late as the best talent gets picked quickly. So best to get there before when, 11PM?
With the $240 price, the taxi driver gets his cut, just same as Hot Dog gets their cut too, bumping up the price, how much, plus 15 or 20%?
For the big city, does it get better, at $240, than a 6.5?
Makes me kinda sad though, if you're spoiled with 8's and 9's for about $150.
[QUOTE=Jake993]
SKANK - are you holding out on us? I know you're there........
Yeeeesh[/QUOTE]Last week.
The regulars.
Ira, 23-yr old language student. 178cm, leggy. Grunts a bit when fucking.
Polina, 26-yr old finance advisor. 175cm, very pretty face and great ass. I bottom out on her when she's on top, almost painful when she grinds away but she comes in less than 30 seconds that way.
Lara, 31-yr old secretary. 160cm, taut. Sexually demanding. Insisted on rounds 2 and 3 when I wanted to sleep.
Alyona, 22-yr old, unemployed. Likes it in the ass. She's 165cm and 46kg. A true booty call, will come over at 1am if I call her at 12.
Julia, 24-yr old sales rep. Dark-haired cossack woman, 175cm, tears me apart. Scratches the hell out of my back.
One new score.
Alexandra, 22-yr old, student of classical music, 165cm. Dark, chesty and sexy. Put out on 2nd date.
Damn, no blondes among them.
Sorry, I'm being lazy I know... but they all wanted to come over and try to domesticize me... ordering pizza, cooking at home, watching DVDs and fucking. What is it with women these days? NONE of them wanted to go out, not even to a restaurant. Just beer, whisky, tea, salad, pizza and sex. Pretty damn good week come to think of it.
Just to make sure I DON'T become domesticized I did go on dates with 2 semi-new girls who'll give it up on the next date. Invited them over, offering to have a cooking party. It's the oldest trick in the book, but some cooking + music + wine + massage? Even Rodney Dengerfield would get laid. Well, prolly.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Last week.
The regulars.
Ira, 23-yr old language student. 178cm, leggy. Grunts a bit when fucking.
Polina, 26-yr old finance advisor. 175cm, very pretty face and great ass. I bottom out on her when she's on top, almost painful when she grinds away but she comes in less than 30 seconds that way.
Lara, 31-yr old secretary. 160cm, taut. Sexually demanding. Insisted on rounds 2 and 3 when I wanted to sleep.
Alyona, 22-yr old, unemployed. Likes it in the ass. She's 165cm and 46kg. A true booty call, will come over at 1am if I call her at 12.
Julia, 24-yr old sales rep. Dark-haired cossack woman, 175cm, tears me apart. Scratches the hell out of my back.
One new score.
Alexandra, 22-yr old, student of classical music, 165cm. Dark, chesty and sexy. Put out on 2nd date.
Damn, no blondes among them.
Sorry, I'm being lazy I know... but they all wanted to come over and try to domesticize me... ordering pizza, cooking at home, watching DVDs and fucking. What is it with women these days? NONE of them wanted to go out, not even to a restaurant. Just beer, whisky, tea, salad, pizza and sex. Pretty damn good week come to think of it.
Just to make sure I DON'T become domesticized I did go on dates with 2 semi-new girls who'll give it up on the next date. Invited them over, offering to have a cooking party. It's the oldest trick in the book, but some cooking + music + wine + massage? Even Rodney Dengerfield would get laid. Well, prolly.[/QUOTE] That's what I'M talking about. It's not good to forget about your bro's. Remember - bro's befo ho's.
BTW - good report format. Must remember that next time I'm.
Hello all,
Please, I request your advice.
I have been exchanging emails and photos with a Russian girl. We have agreed to meet for the first time on a trip to Turkey for a few days, and of course, she expects me to pay for everything.
I do not mind paying, but I do not want to be taken advantage of. For example if I pay everything for her, but then she refuses to have sex. I am concerned abou the girl being a shark.
I have been thinking things such as sending her just a one way ticket, keeping her return ticket for myself, if she is not cooperative.
What do you recommend?
Thanks for your advice. Regards. B.B.
[QUOTE=Barmer67]What is the going rate for those salons - Fantasys and Charmel?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]
Fantasy's and Elit TV are 4000 rubles/hr
Charmel is 4500 rubles/hr
I asked one of the girls at Charmel why they were more expensive (they're all under the same management after all). Answer: cuz we're better. I like the girls at Fantasy's and Elite too, so can't say I agree.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Last week.
The regulars.
Ira, 23-yr old language student. 178cm, leggy. Grunts a bit when fucking.
Polina, 26-yr old finance advisor. 175cm, very pretty face and great ass. I bottom out on her when she's on top, almost painful when she grinds away but she comes in less than 30 seconds that way.
Lara, 31-yr old secretary. 160cm, taut. Sexually demanding. Insisted on rounds 2 and 3 when I wanted to sleep.
Alyona, 22-yr old, unemployed. Likes it in the ass. She's 165cm and 46kg. A true booty call, will come over at 1am if I call her at 12.
Julia, 24-yr old sales rep. Dark-haired cossack woman, 175cm, tears me apart. Scratches the hell out of my back.
One new score.
Alexandra, 22-yr old, student of classical music, 165cm. Dark, chesty and sexy. Put out on 2nd date.
Damn, no blondes among them.
Sorry, I'm being lazy I know... but they all wanted to come over and try to domesticize me... ordering pizza, cooking at home, watching DVDs and fucking. What is it with women these days? NONE of them wanted to go out, not even to a restaurant. Just beer, whisky, tea, salad, pizza and sex. Pretty damn good week come to think of it.
Just to make sure I DON'T become domesticized I did go on dates with 2 semi-new girls who'll give it up on the next date. Invited them over, offering to have a cooking party. It's the oldest trick in the book, but some cooking + music + wine + massage? Even Rodney Dengerfield would get laid. Well, prolly.[/QUOTE]Oh my, been here now 8 months and have not scored half of that.
Will you teach me? But will not pay NF prices for the lessons.
Jake, you are my hero!
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Ira, 178cm
Polina, 175cm
Lara, 160cm
Alyona, 165cm and 46kg
Julia, 175cm
Alexandra, 165cm.
[/QUOTE]
Doc,
So... do you carry a tape measure with you?
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Doc,
So... do you carry a tape measure with you?[/QUOTE]You mean you don't?
If they aren't between 155cm and 190cm... I aint fucking them.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Fantasy's and Elit TV are 4000 rubles/hr
Charmel is 4500 rubles/hr
I asked one of the girls at Charmel why they were more expensive (they're all under the same management after all). Answer: cuz we're better. I like the girls at Fantasy's and Elite too, so can't say I agree.[/QUOTE]
Update... Fantasy's is now 4500 as well. And a week ago, they moved to Pokrovka 40, not far from the old Safari. Their new digs are the nicest salon I've ever seen. Really first class. Two enthusiastic thumbs up.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Their new digs are the nicest salon I've ever seen. Really first class.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you were actually there. Who was the lucky girl(s)?
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Sounds like you were actually there. Who was the lucky girl(s)?[/QUOTE]
Yup, this week with some partners. Another plus is that they now have 5 bedrooms. Tanya ([url]http://www.fantasys.nu/girls.phtml?id=40[/url]) is my regular there, but I gave my partner first pick, and he chose her. She was not too pleased about it, and let me know. I was a bit surprised that she'd be so territorial, but they are girls afterall... I ended up with Masha: [url]http://www.charmel.biz/girl_page.phtml?gid=43[/url] This was her first week at Fantasy's, though she'd been working at their sister salon, Charmel, for the past year and a half. Really sweet girl from the Caucasus with an incredibly tight body and very cute accent (in Russian - she speaks zero English). Standard Fantasys/Charmel/Elit treatment: CBJ, DATY, DFK, FS. And a really great attitude. I'd repeat. My other partner had a tall, skinny blonde named Anastasia (not on the website) who would've been my second choice. He was extremely pleased with her (and she with him, apparently!)
As answer to Bez Bazara, I am not sad at all; I am having a great time.
As for the tochka:
- It was fun to look for the tochka, the taxi driver took me there, showed me around, understood what I wanted and talked to the mamasans for me. He has been with me about 2 hours, he did deserve what he got
- I quoted the girls of the tochkas 5 or 6. They were quoted 6500 p for the night "do 07:00 ytrom". It was 7 pm and that makes a good price by the hour even if she leaves earlier. That is an option, one might be interest or not!
- Maria was not among them; she was hidden in a car and was shown only on request. I think she does compare with the girls I have seen at Hot Dig, how much do you quote them?
What makes me feel like missing something is that when I arrived in Moscow, I had no connection at all, and I have only been able to have contact with pros and maybe semi-pros. My skills in Russians are not yet sufficient to have conversation pleasant by itself with somebody I do not know. And before you ask a non-pro devutchka to come and cook for you, she needs to have a nice time talking to you. So I still have to work on it!
Mosckow Quel pied! (how do you say that in English?)
[QUOTE=Chercheur]
Mosckow Quel pied! (how do you say that in English?)[/QUOTE]
Is the phrase you are looking for "off balance"?
Don't know which foot to stand on?
[QUOTE=Jake993]Is the phrase you are looking for "off balance"?
Don't know which foot to stand on?[/QUOTE]It is just an expression we say when we had a great pleasure.
[QUOTE=Jake993]Is the phrase you are looking for "off balance"?
Don't know which foot to stand on?[/QUOTE]по русски "я кайфую"
[QUOTE=Chercheur]по русски "я кайфую"[/QUOTE]in Russian, "Ya kai-FOO-you"
intoxicated, or "under the influence", usually of drugs
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]in Russian, "Ya kai-FOO-you"
intoxicated, or "under the influence", usually of drugs[/QUOTE] So it's sort of like saying that your "head is spinning"? Or that you are so delighted that you are feeling light headed like you are ready to faint? I must remember that next time I get a blow job!!!
What is fantastic in Moscow is that the girls really do like fucking
And IMHO there is nothing better for a man than when a girl comes.
Of course I had to pay (2000 to 3000 p an hour, I usually take 2 hours), but then, first she knows what you want and she has no problem with it, and second when she fucks, she really fucks, and not only for you, for her too !
In the salons, at the beginning it can be a little difficult as some girls want to make you come in the first 10 minutes even if you have taken 2 hours. It takes a few minute for them to understand that I do not want to come that fast and that I want to fuck them the whole time I am there ; then they fuck normally. The other thing about salons is that even if you had a good time, when it is over, it is over. Only one salon girl invited me to the wedding of one of her colleagues a couple days later and came to my home an other day.
With the girls who came to my apartment or who I visited in their own apartment (or in the apartment of one of their friends), it was even easier. I do not know if they wanted to please me in order for me to want to come back, but most of them succeeded and when leaving I said to myself that I will see them again. They are also freer to do what they like.
I met a Ukrainian girl in the street; she was on vacation at her grandparents in Moscow. First time we only had a drink, second time we had lunch and then I said “what do we do now ?”. She replied “why don’t we go and buy me a present, then we go to your apartment”. To make it short, she was surprised that I said yes and I bought her a mobile telephone. But when we were in my apartment, she said she had her period and could only give me a blow job. The next day she was leaving for Kiev. I thought I had been screwed up. But 10 days later, I received a SMS : “Hello, I am in Moscow, last time was for your pleasure, and next time is for mine. When do we meet ?” She came to my apartment and we had full sex at no additional cost. The only thing is I had to wait half an hour because there were dirty dishes in my kitchen and she decided to do the washing-up before sex.
What is also great with devoutckis is that those I have seen several time never ever asked me any question about other girls. Home I use to tell my girlfriends “What is important for us is what we do together, not what each of us do with other people”. Home, it always rises hell. In Moscow it does not seem to be any problem (Though I don’t know if going to a long-term relation would make it kinda different).
In one month, I had only one miss (6%) : on a Sunday early afternoon, only one person in the salon, a Cubans girl that did not “entiende espanol”, she was pretty, she was nice, she was OK for everything, but she was not interested in anything. 2000 p lost, not a big deal !
As per Doctor_Skank, when I go back to Moscow (ASAP), there will be devoutkis to cook for me !
But next time I will rent a two kitchens apartment, just in case he intends to share his girlfriends with me.
Moscow : Quel pied!
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If possible could someone ring 2 numbers for me from rusdosug.ru for contact address. This may involve serveral calls.
My Russian is not quite enough.
Most probably we should do this thru PM (personal mail).
I'm happy to reimburse anyone who can help. Cheers Nickc
[QUOTE=Nickc]If possible could someone ring 2 numbers for me from rusdosug.ru for contact address.[/QUOTE]Can you give us links to the listings?
The listings are the below websites.
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/[/url]
[url]http://www.rusdosug.com[/url]
If required i'll pay 1000 rubles for someone to ring just 2 numbers and organise
meeting. Thats $30 us for 10 minutes work. You may have to ring several times over the course of a day to get thru. My Russian is not quite good enough. Someone in Moscow should take this up as a career move. Thats 1000 rubles per number.
Please contact me by Personal message and i'll send numbers and my email and cellphone number.
Cheers Nickc
[QUOTE=Chercheur]What is fantastic in Moscow is that the girls really do like fucking
And IMHO there is nothing better for a man than when a girl comes.[/QUOTE]It sound great!
I have to plan to visit this heaven!
I tried to link to report of distiction, but the procedure is too much long;
But anyway, great report
Nick,
Give us the links to the girls themselves, maybe someone already knows them.
It could be you don't want to waste your time on them.
Thank you for reply. Cheers Nickc
I know this is a pretty silly question as it depends of many many variables, but is it possible to "survive" in Moscow with a daily budget of +/- 200 us$ ? (+ apartment)
By surviving I mean using metro during daytime, having light local lunch, 2/3 dates each day in nice cafes, dinners with drinks for two in georgian or russian mid-level restaurants, alternation of cosy evenings at apartment with GFs, cool nights out in unpretentious live-music bars and serious clubbing at mid-level clubs (with always important volume drinks for self and GF or potential target), taxis at night, and possibly joining a gym. No P4P or expat pick-up bars on my agenda. Some occasional visits to strip bars though, but just for a few beers, drinks for girls, some lap-dancing ... and eye candy!
Also do apartments rental companies usually negociate significant discounts for a long stay, something like 2500-3000 $/month ?
Thanks for the feedback. I am eager to visit Moscow (for not less than a one month stay) but my budget is maybe tight ...200$ is twice what I spend in Tashkent for a high rolling lifestyle though.
[QUOTE=Prosal]I know this is a pretty silly question as it depends of many many variables, but is it possible to "survive" in Moscow with a daily budget of +/- 200 us$ ? (+ apartment)
Surviving is for me metro during daytime, light local lunch, dates in cafes, dinners with drinks for two in georgian or russian mid-level restaurants, alternation of cosy evenings at apartment with GFs, cool nights out in unpretentious live-music bars and clubbing at mid-level clubs (with always important volume drinks for self and GF or potential target) or occasionally in elitni places, taxis at night, and possibly joining a gym. No P4P or expat pick-up bars on my agenda. No conninving money-hungry bitches only eager to retreive you from your last € by ordering the costiest shit on the menu also. Some occasional visits to strip bars though, but just for a few beers, occasional drinks for girls, some lap-dancing ... and eye candy!
Also do apartments rental companies usually negociate significant discounts for a long stay, something like 2500-3000 $/month ?
Thanks for the feedback. I am eager to visit Moscow (for not less than a one month stay) but my budget is maybe tight ...200$ is twice what I spend in Tashkent for a high rolling lifestyle though.[/QUOTE]Long-term rental for decently located apartment is about $2200-2500 right now, lower than it was a year ago. This would be for several months though... but given the current "slow" situation, you could probably get it for about that price even if only staying 2-3 months.
If your $200/day is all costs except apartment and P4P, sure. It's possible.
That'll be average costs though... some days you'll get by on $75 and other days spend $300 (restaurants + strip club + disco for example).
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Long-term rental for decently located apartment is about $2200-2500 right now, lower than it was a year ago. This would be for several months though... but given the current "slow" situation, you could probably get it for about that price even if only staying 2-3 months.
If your $200/day is all costs except apartment and P4P, sure. It's possible.
That'll be average costs though... some days you'll get by on $75 and other days spend $300 (restaurants + strip club + disco for example).[/QUOTE]
Depends on what you're expecting. I'm an expat living quite well and I pay $600/month for a room in a good apartment (one stop outside of the garden ring). I'm sure good apartments can be had for $1500 a month even for relatively short term (3-4 months). A night out can be quite cheap depending on what you're looking for. Some good clubs in downtown (kitaj gorod, lubyanka) are still zero cover and beers are about 100 rubles. So $20-$30 is doable for a night out by yourself. This is if you're looking for freebies and can work that angle (i.e. you're decently looking and not too old). Strip clubs are quite expensive (expect to spend $200 for nothing more than a decent time). I was at Bordo recently and a half hour full service there is 6,000 rubles minimum. Boarhouse/Chesterfields/Hot Dog's starts at about 6,000 for all night takeout.
Lunch is cheap if you get business lunch, about $5-8 a person.
This is not to say you should expect it to be so cheap, but it is possible. I mean many Russians live in Moscow on about $800/month, including renting a room in an apartment.
If you're going out with typical Russian bitches who expect you to shell out, the sky is the limit really. But minimum I would expect to pay $50 on a girl for a night out, with $100-$200 typical.
I think costs excluding P4P and apartment could be much lower than $200, more like $50 if you're trying to economize while still going out and having a good time.
[QUOTE=Latexian2]Depends on what you're expecting. I'm an expat living quite well and I pay $600/month for a room in a good apartment (one stop outside of the garden ring). I'm sure good apartments can be had for $1500 a month even for relatively short term (3-4 months). A night out can be quite cheap depending on what you're looking for. Some good clubs in downtown (kitaj gorod, lubyanka) are still zero cover and beers are about 100 rubles. So $20-$30 is doable for a night out by yourself. This is if you're looking for freebies and can work that angle (i.e. you're decently looking and not too old). Strip clubs are quite expensive (expect to spend $200 for nothing more than a decent time). I was at Bordo recently and a half hour full service there is 6,000 rubles minimum. Boarhouse/Chesterfields/Hot Dog's starts at about 6,000 for all night takeout.
Lunch is cheap if you get business lunch, about $5-8 a person.
This is not to say you should expect it to be so cheap, but it is possible. I mean many Russians live in Moscow on about $800/month, including renting a room in an apartment.
If you're going out with typical Russian bitches who expect you to shell out, the sky is the limit really. But minimum I would expect to pay $50 on a girl for a night out, with $100-$200 typical.
I think costs excluding P4P and apartment could be much lower than $200, more like $50 if you're trying to economize while still going out and having a good time.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info!
Regarding rental prices, indeed $2200-2500 is Tverskaya/Pushkinskaya or equivalent, 2 rooms, euroremont. One really needn't be that central for a long-term stay, as the metro connects you from just outside the garden ring to the center in 20-30 minutes.
Nonetheless, girls do love and are impressed by living on Pushkin Square for example... but it isn't a pre-requisite to fun. Besides, if you live on Pushkin Square, it is too tempting to go to Etazh, Pyramida, Goodmans etc. and spend way too much money... :)
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]it is too tempting to go to Etazh, Pyramida, Goodmans etc. and spend way too much money... :)[/QUOTE]
Indeed. What scares me in a stay in Moscow is that for a thirsty party-goer such as me, there must be a huge gap between the good resolutions for not spending too much money (limiting yourself to the mid-level places, going out only four times a week, never exceeding the 10 mojitos or black russians in one single place, avoiding the "after-hours", ect) and what happens in reality. Too many tempting places to party.
Thanks for the infos anyway. I gonna go in Moscow only if I feel that I can remain "reasonable" there. Which seems unfortunatly virtually impossible. :)
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Last week.
The regulars.
Ira, 23-yr old language student. 178cm, leggy. Grunts a bit when fucking.
Polina, 26-yr old finance advisor. 175cm, very pretty face and great ass. I bottom out on her when she's on top, almost painful when she grinds away but she comes in less than 30 seconds that way.
Lara, 31-yr old secretary. 160cm, taut. Sexually demanding. Insisted on rounds 2 and 3 when I wanted to sleep.
Alyona, 22-yr old, unemployed. Likes it in the ass. She's 165cm and 46kg. A true booty call, will come over at 1am if I call her at 12.
Julia, 24-yr old sales rep. Dark-haired cossack woman, 175cm, tears me apart. Scratches the hell out of my back.
One new score.
Alexandra, 22-yr old, student of classical music, 165cm. Dark, chesty and sexy. Put out on 2nd date.
Damn, no blondes among them.
Sorry, I'm being lazy I know... but they all wanted to come over and try to domesticize me... ordering pizza, cooking at home, watching DVDs and fucking. What is it with women these days? NONE of them wanted to go out, not even to a restaurant. Just beer, whisky, tea, salad, pizza and sex. Pretty damn good week come to think of it.
Just to make sure I DON'T become domesticized I did go on dates with 2 semi-new girls who'll give it up on the next date. Invited them over, offering to have a cooking party. It's the oldest trick in the book, but some cooking + music + wine + massage? Even Rodney Dengerfield would get laid. Well, prolly.[/QUOTE]
As you well know I'll go for Alyona: young, skinny and anal... what more ah of course BBBJ + CIM!!! Is she avaliable? May be we can make a new Mystery Tramp for Moscow Tourist Office ;) ;)
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[QUOTE=It Travel]As you well know I'll go for Alyona: young, skinny and anal... what more ah of course BBBJ + CIM!!! Is she avaliable? May be we can make a new Mystery Tramp for Moscow Tourist Office ;) ;)
IT[/QUOTE]IT.. you'd like her. But maybe there was a misunderstanding... by the regulars I mean the regular girlfriends. They aren't P4P or sponsored.... just normal girls.
[QUOTE=Prosal]Indeed. What scares me in a stay in Moscow is that for a thirsty party-goer such as me, there must be a huge gap between the good resolutions for not spending too much money (limiting yourself to the mid-level places, going out only four times a week, never exceeding the 10 mojitos or black russians in one single place, avoiding the "after-hours", ect) and what happens in reality. Too many tempting places to party.
Thanks for the infos anyway. I gonna go in Moscow only if I feel that I can remain "reasonable" there. Which seems unfortunatly virtually impossible. :)[/QUOTE]I think you'll survive... :)
It really depends on "how you roll".
Keys to saving money in my opinion are the following:
1) avoid expensive restaurants. You can't escape a medium to upscale restaurant without spending $70-100, so don't go there unless you have to. Cafes or cheaper places are just as good for dates, in fact you may get more romance value out of a walk to the park or going to a movie than you would at an expensive place.
2) use special offers. As previously mentioned by Latexian2, there are numerous business lunch offers, some of them until 6pm. Good eats for less than $20.
3) use metro. Especially during the day, this is the fastest and cheapest way to travel. At night (after 11-12pm) it is usually better to take a car for various reasons.
4) avoid expensive cocktails. If you like to drink a lot, ordering $10 cocktails adds up fast.
5) once you've made contacts, schedule in some nights in. Moscow girls usually have busy, stressful schedules... and often they are very happy to have a relaxing evening at home with "simple pleasures".
Although things like presents and evenings out do have value and remain an entry ticket to many a girls heart (it gives you credibility according to many) they neither expect nor need to be showered with this kind of monetary affection. Besides, you should be weeding out the ones who like you for whom you are anyway.
I honestly haven't been meeting the "let's spend his money" kind lately. I think that was very 2003-2007 style. Or maybe I am just lucky.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]I think you'll survive... :)
It really depends on "how you roll".
Keys to saving money in my opinion are the following:
1) avoid expensive restaurants. You can't escape a medium to upscale restaurant without spending $70-100, so don't go there unless you have to. Cafes or cheaper places are just as good for dates, in fact you may get more romance value out of a walk to the park or going to a movie than you would at an expensive place.
2) use special offers. As previously mentioned by Latexian2, there are numerous business lunch offers, some of them until 6pm. Good eats for less than $20.
3) use metro. Especially during the day, this is the fastest and cheapest way to travel. At night (after 11-12pm) it is usually better to take a car for various reasons.
4) avoid expensive cocktails. If you like to drink a lot, ordering $10 cocktails adds up fast.
5) once you've made contacts, schedule in some nights in. Moscow girls usually have busy, stressful schedules... and often they are very happy to have a relaxing evening at home with "simple pleasures".
Although things like presents and evenings out do have value and remain an entry ticket to many a girls heart (it gives you credibility according to many) they neither expect nor need to be showered with this kind of monetary affection. Besides, you should be weeding out the ones who like you for whom you are anyway.
I honestly haven't been meeting the "let's spend his money" kind lately. I think that was very 2003-2007 style. Or maybe I am just lucky.[/QUOTE]
I second the motion on your suggestions Skank. I found that once I developed a affinity for beer and vodka, my bar bill went waaaaaaay down. And as for the girls, I have one regular who was ready to spend as much of my money as I was willing to part with. Fortunately, the "crisis" gave me a great excuse to suggest that the days for that kind of spending was over and if she wanted to continue that lifestyle she was going to have to find someone else to lick her pussy. To my complete surprise, she has changed her taste in cocktails and admitted that vodka with orange juice is not so bad...... and not even "orange fresh".
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]
I honestly haven't been meeting the "let's spend his money" kind lately. I think that was very 2003-2007 style. Or maybe I am just lucky.[/QUOTE]
I invited a chick from Elektrostal out to a restaurant last week (never met her before). She showed up with girlfriend in tow, and I said flatly I only invited one and wasn't paying for her friend. She gut all hussy and said I'm a foreigner and shouldn't care about spending money on them. I called them prostitutes and told them to leave.
I don't mind lavishing some money on chicks now and again, but if a girl pulls that kind of stunt or orders the most expensive item on the menu, it's a huge warning sign.
[QUOTE=Latexian2]I invited a chick from Elektrostal out to a restaurant last week (never met her before). She showed up with girlfriend in tow, and I said flatly I only invited one and wasn't paying for her friend. She gut all hussy and said I'm a foreigner and shouldn't care about spending money on them. I called them prostitutes and told them to leave.
I don't mind lavishing some money on chicks now and again, but if a girl pulls that kind of stunt or orders the most expensive item on the menu, it's a huge warning sign.[/QUOTE]I disagree on this. According to my experience some/many girls if they are not professionals prefer to come in the company of a girlfriend. It gives them a feeling of security, "not being alone". There have been a few cases where they want to just have a good meal and expensive drinks, but 90% of them do it because they are uncertain how to deal with the situation and they want some kind of "mental support" from a girlfriend. Just handle this situation and later that evening. Or the next day. You will be paid back.
This was most probably not some kind of stunt, and you were totally wrong to call them prostitutes. In your handling of the situation you showed no respect and you were rather cheap!
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]IT.. you'd like her. But maybe there was a misunderstanding... by the regulars I mean the regular girlfriends. They aren't P4P or sponsored.... just normal girls.[/QUOTE]
Yeah a real pity :( :( :(
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[QUOTE=Explorer69]There have been a few cases where they want to just have a good meal and expensive drinks, but 90% of them do it because they are uncertain how to deal with the situation and they want some kind of "mental support" from a girlfriend....[/QUOTE]
Oh yes, very FEW cases, that's why:
[QUOTE=Latexian2]....She gut all hussy and said I'm a foreigner and shouldn't care about spending money on them...[/QUOTE]
Behave weak means always pay more to get much less.....it is not a problem of money, it is matter of who uses who here ?
They as first lack of respect thinking a foreigner should spend money, money, money....
Second, Latexian2 was more than right and I have the feeling is one of the few who has great success in Moscow without invest a lot of money for nothing, cause it is easy even for a young boy to have tons of girls with much money.....you do not need to be a pick up artist to open the wallet....
And yes, even in west europe normal girl does not need "mental support" to meet with a man, but "weak", "shy" russian girls need.....ohhh yes....
[QUOTE=Explorer69]I disagree on this. According to my experience some/many girls if they are not professionals prefer to come in the company of a girlfriend. It gives them a feeling of security, "not being alone". There have been a few cases where they want to just have a good meal and expensive drinks, but 90% of them do it because they are uncertain how to deal with the situation and they want some kind of "mental support" from a girlfriend. Just handle this situation and later that evening. Or the next day. You will be paid back.
This was most probably not some kind of stunt, and you were totally wrong to call them prostitutes. In your handling of the situation you showed no respect and you were rather cheap![/QUOTE]They said:
".... a foreigner and shouldn't care about spending money on them...."
If a girl say me something like that, I only think that she is a moneysucker, for sure I don't think she need "mental support" from a friend.
Then, if I am tired and nervous because in the same day/days I had similar situations, or telephone calls without answers, or dates with girls on late or dates with girls that didn't come, maybe I could react in the same way.
[QUOTE=Lukasek]And yes, even in west europe normal girl does not need "mental support" to meet with a man, but "weak", "shy" russian girls need.....ohhh yes....[/QUOTE] I don't necessarily agree with you on this one Lukasek. Certainly, a "hardened working girl" does not need moral or mental support in meeting with foreign guys. And that's just the point - When you meet a pro, it's a business transaction plain and simple. When you meet a girl to go out on a "date" under "normal" circumstances there's probably no moral support needed. But I think Explorer69 has a valid point. Not to say that Latexian2 was wrong either but as we explore the "gray area" of looking for love online, there's an element of risk involved on both sides. ESPECIALLY when we are looking for semi-pros who may or may not end up being freebies. (Of course, it's NEVER totally free but you know what I mean). Since we are not mind readers, we don't know exactly WHAT the other party has in mind. For many of these girls, they are near the end of their financial rope. Many are one step away from hanging out in Night Flight or Hot Dogs but somehow hope they can meet a nice guy, have a nice meal, maybe have some sex and then then get a little "something" extra afterward - maybe a gift, maybe cash. In their minds, they are not exactly "hooking" and they don't want to take that next step.
Funny sidebar - I was sitting in Doug and Maty's with a buddy a few years ago when some girls came over and started "negotiating". My friend was pretty toasted and ended up making an unfortunate comment calling his girl a prostitute. She indignantly stood up, grabbed her bag and said, "I am NOT at prostitute; I am an ESCORT!!!!!!!"
I had the same situation as Latexian2 a few years back. My first impulse was to do like Lex and tell them to fuck off. But being the soft touch that I am, I held my tongue and both them both drinks. After about the 30 minutes, the friend went to the ladies room and never came back. I took the other one back to my place and sprayed semen all over her tonsils.
Do whatever feels right. Follow you gut. But don't make a rash decision because you are afraid of being taken advantage of. A little patience sometimes pays off. Of course, sometimes you end up getting fucked over so what the hell do I know?
[QUOTE=Lukasek]And yes, even in west europe normal girl does not need "mental support" to meet with a man, but "weak", "shy" russian girls need.....ohhh yes....[/QUOTE]There is a big difference between different kinds of girls. The "usual" girl in Moscow doesn't need somebody to come with her, but a girl from some smaller city who isnt used to foreigners will.
And to start calling the girls in that report for prostitutes is not to be strong, in my opinion that is weak!
[quote=jake993]i don't necessarily agree with you on this one lukasek. certainly, a "hardened working girl" does not need moral or mental support in meeting with foreign guys. and that's just the point - when you meet a pro, it's a business transaction plain and simple. when you meet a girl to go out on a "date" under "normal" circumstances there's probably no moral support needed. but i think explorer69 has a valid point. not to say that latexian2 was wrong either but as we explore the "gray area" of looking for love online, there's an element of risk involved on both sides. especially when we are looking for semi-pros who may or may not end up being freebies. (of course, it's never totally free but you know what i mean). since we are not mind readers, we don't know exactly what the other party has in mind. for many of these girls, they are near the end of their financial rope. many are one step away from hanging out in night flight or hot dogs but somehow hope they can meet a nice guy, have a nice meal, maybe have some sex and then then get a little "something" extra afterward - maybe a gift, maybe cash. in their minds, they are not exactly "hooking" and they don't want to take that next step.
i had the same situation as latexian2 a few years back. my first impulse was to do like lex and tell them to fuck off. but being the soft touch that i am, i held my tongue and both them both drinks. after about the 30 minutes, the friend went to the ladies room and never came back. i took the other one back to my place and sprayed semen all over her tonsils.
do whatever feels right. follow you gut. but don't make a rash decision because you are afraid of being taken advantage of. a little patience sometimes pays off. of course, sometimes you end up getting fucked over so what the hell do i know?[/quote]i absolutely agree on this, wise words.
please remember that the girls don't know what guy is sitting there waiting for them, he may be a serial killer or a serial [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126][CodeWord126][/url]. it is not so stupid to bring along a girlfriend, she will feel more secure even in a restaurant, and she gets a second opinion whether the guy seems ok. i have had this with 2 girls arriving, and then one girl left, the other one spent the night with me. i also had planned meeting with 1 girl, but 2 girls arrived and they ended up in my bed together. but of course i also had two girls who ate and drank the most expensive on the menu - and then left .....!
but to immediately dismiss them and to call the girls prostitutes because they are 2 together is not correct!
[QUOTE=Jake993]Funny sidebar - I was sitting in Doug and Maty's with a buddy a few years ago when some girls came over and started "negotiating". My friend was pretty toasted and ended up making an unfortunate comment calling his girl a prostitute. She indignantly stood up, grabbed her bag and said, "I am NOT at prostitute; I am an ESCORT!!!!!!!"
I had the same situation as Latexian2 a few years back. My first impulse was to do like Lex and tell them to fuck off. But being the soft touch that I am, I held my tongue and both them both drinks. After about the 30 minutes, the friend went to the ladies room and never came back. I took the other one back to my place and sprayed semen all over her tonsils.
Do whatever feels right. Follow you gut. But don't make a rash decision because you are afraid of being taken advantage of. A little patience sometimes pays off. Of course, sometimes you end up getting fucked over so what the hell do I know?[/QUOTE]Oh yeah!
Be nice to a girl and you might get the best out of her, whatever she is, prostitute, escort, secretary or anything else.
If you treat her as a prostitute, she will act as a prostitute. But if you treat her nice, even the most professional prostitute might give you a lot more that what you were expecting. It might not work, but if you don't try it you will never get it! And sure it does work more times than it does not work!
This is true everywhere in the world, and it seems to be even much more true in Russia.
To be nice to a girl the first time you see her, sometimes you have to invest money. But first, if you just pay the bill and don't pay good attention to her, it will not work, and second, most of the times you don't need to spend much money, she will feel pleased that you take a risk on her and she will not at all think about the risk being small (a man would think differently). Note that at that point, if she tells you that you are not paying enough, immediately walk away!
So in those situations, I don't count the money I spend. As long as it is little.
Back to Moscow report, I am not aware of a place in the world where the ROI is better
ROI = Return On Investment
Hi Jake993,
just to make clear, I never call a pro, prostitute, honestly I believe in free choice, everybody does what he wants with his own life, but this does not mean, I let somebody to take me for a fool, no matter if she is sexy LOL
What I meant is, that is a bullshit that a woman come with another one to have mental support, no matter if they are pro or hookers, escorts or students one step away from NF.
WE do not need to be mind readers to understand that they come in two, only when they see you as ATM, cause if one is really and seriously interested in you, she comes alone for sure, cause what the kind of conversation you can have in 3 ? And even more she is afraid about what you can think of her, neither able to come alone....
Russian are not weak or shy, to need to come in two and how they could be afraid as russian girl in russian city where everybody speak russian to meet with a foreigner that, often, as we saw, even after 60 times speak almost zero russian ??? LOL The only one who should be afraid here is the man.....
2 of 3 women we dated me and my wingman in Odessa at Arcadia arrived in 2 and it was the 2006....
The only one who needs mental support is a monger living ten thousands miles away and that is all alone in a city of almost 15 million inhabitants speaking zero language walking in the night looking for pussy.....that's the only person that risks in this sort of meeting....
Even more, if they are genuine girls, they come alone, even more if they want to meet a nice guy, to fall in love and to start a relationship.
Last .... how many russian girls who has date with a russian man do you think go together "mental support" ? And I think I said it all......IMHO.
I will be in Moscow soon and will stay in Hotel Maritim Renessaince.
While looking for some girl I could meet there, I have been mailing hundreds of girls at Mamba, but it appears there are no girls that speak english. All I receive is Russian telefone numbers and the prices as resonse. I assume it is some pimp who is actually answering the mails. The girls are probably on work.
Anyways, I also stepped over an escort page. The girls there look really great! Could this be? Does anybody have experience with girls from that escort?
Would be happy to receive your comments on this, or any recommendation for a model like busty girl I could hook up with.
[url]http://www.exclusivegirls.ru/enter.php[/url]
Sometimes bringing along a girlfriend for moral support is legitimate IMO, particularly on a first date with a stranger. Girls have security issues. I've been on a few of these and they always went well, in fact sometimes having a third person there is good for conversation. I don't think it is inherently a matter of wanting to get a free meal at the expense of a foreigner.
Some girls do just want to use men however, particularly in places where foreign men are known to be looking for easy women... i.e. Ukraine. :)
If that happens I think it is pretty easy to recognize and that is when you kick the girl to the curb. It's riduculous behavior on their part.
[QUOTE=Lukasek]What I meant is, that is a bullshit that a woman come with another one to have mental support, no matter if they are pro or hookers, escorts or students one step away from NF.
WE do not need to be mind readers to understand that they come in two, only when they see you as ATM, cause if one is really and seriously interested in you, she comes alone for sure, cause what the kind of conversation you can have in 3? And even more she is afraid about what you can think of her, neither able to come alone.
Russian are not weak or shy, to need to come in two and how they could be afraid as Russian girl in Russian city where everybody speak Russian to meet with a foreigner that, often, as we saw, even after 60 times speak almost zero Russian? LOL The only one who should be afraid here is the man.
The only one who needs mental support is a monger living ten thousands miles away and that is all alone in a city of almost 15 million inhabitants speaking zero language walking in the night looking for pussy. That's the only person that risks in this sort of meeting.
Even more, if they are genuine girls, they come alone, even more if they want to meet a nice guy, to fall in love and to start a relationship.
Last. How many Russian girls who has date with a Russian man do you think go together "mental support"? And I think I said it all. IMHO.[/QUOTE]Not much ability to look out from your own corner. There is a big world out there with many different kinds of people.
Toto,
Most of the profiles from that website are fake.
Great majority of photos are of PB models, porn models from Czech Republic
and plenty of MetArt models.
This is typical operation, fake photos, you can set up a meeting but the girl at your door will not be the one from the photo.
[QUOTE=Toto001]I assume it is some pimp who is actually answering the mails. The girls are probably on work.
[/QUOTE]
Your intuition is correct. But there are a lot of regular girls on mamba too, and plenty do speak English. RTFF for more info on honing your selection process on mamba.
[QUOTE]
Anyways, I also stepped over an escort page. The girls there look really great! Could this be? Does anybody have experience with girls from that escort?
[/QUOTE]
That site seems to have stolen photos from some of the most beautiful models on the internet (who are primarily NOT Russian, BTW). If you want an escort, go to dosug.cz, intimcity.ru, rusdosug or similar and put in the search parameters you want: age, measurements, weight, height, region, etc. Then look for reviews with that phone number on sextalk.ru. Yes, they'll be in Russian, and they'll likely use a lot of slang that your online translator won't understand, but I'm pretty sure you'll get the gist.
Udachi, dude...
In the past week alone, two of my best mates and I have been victims to petty crimes. One of the common tactics is a familiar one. Someone walks up to you on the street and tries to engage you in conversation "Where are you from? Oh, you're a foreigner! I love foreigners!" From there, the assailant will try to hug, wrestle or in some other way try to get in close, personal contact with you in an attempt to locate and extricate your wallet and/or other valuables. These will then be discreetly passed to an accomplice who will quickly get in a car and drive off, giving your original attacker some plausible deniability as to the whereabouts of your property. Steps to avoid such attacks are obvious: always be aware of your surroundings, don't talk with strangers on the street, and maintain physical distance with them at all times.
Doc and I also had a bad experience this week. We'd started with a couple beers at HD (watching a football match, certainly NOT the skanky hos who were working on that night), then proceeded to Che. It was a particularly bad night for talent at Che as well, so we ordered a couple of mojitos and tried to make the best of it. Doc was chatting up a 30-ish girl whose "boyfriend" had recently left. After an hour or so, she also left. We'd been buzzing after another round or two of mojitos, but well in control of ourselves. But within 20 minutes, we both were near passing out. We managed to grab a taxi and that's the last thing I remember before waking up in bed the next morning with a king-sized hangover that lasted the entire day and evening. It wasn't until recounting all the events that following night that we put it together that we'd been drugged. So as always, boys, keep an eye on your drinks!
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Sometimes bringing along a girlfriend for moral support is legitimate IMO, particularly on a first date with a stranger. Girls have security issues. I've been on a few of these and they always went well, in fact sometimes having a third person there is good for conversation. I don't think it is inherently a matter of wanting to get a free meal at the expense of a foreigner.
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Yeah, I guess I didn't explain well. It wasn't so bad she brought her along, it was that when I said I wouldn't be paying for her friend, they gut all hussy and wondered why I care so much about money (implying I'm not rich ... which I'm not). Just a huge warning sign that they were money *****s.
I definitely do blow a lot of money in Moscow, but my main vice is strip clubs.
In case people are interested, here's two mini reviews:
Bordo - (metro Kitai Gorod) - Bordo is a combination strip club and brothel. As far as I can tell the girls there are not employees, but come by themselves freelance. There is no official striptease on the poles, and most of the time no one is dancing. Instead girls come over and will give you a lap dance and talk to you and try to get you to pay for a private dance or sex. Tipping at the table is a minimum 200 rubles (this is standard everywhere in Moscow now). A private dance for fifteen minutes is 3000 rubles. The asking price for full service is 15000 rubles for an hour, but I've negotiated down to 6000 for half an hour. Cover is 1000 rubles, Beer is 330 rubles, a hookah is 1600 rubles. It is very expensive, but the girls are stunning and a typical night has 20-30 girls and about the same number of clients. Walking in and seeing 15 topless girls and another 15 stunners all eye fucking the shit out of you makes for an interesting experience.
Show Girls - (metro Prospekt Mira) - This place is in the Olympic stadium (on the first floor - the sign reads KOKO). Lots of girls (20-30), again mostly stunners (all 8-10). Cover is 1000 rubles. Beer and food is cheaper (can't remember exactly, about 200 rubles for a beer). Hookah is 1000 rubles but very good, will easily last 3-4 hours as the coals are unlimited. There is no dancing at tables, and no sex on offer (well you can take out). You pay a girl 1500 rubles for a private dance of about 10 minutes. This only happens at certain times, and the rest of the time the girls join tables and party with the guys. Great for taking clients, etc. out to as the atmosphere is really lively and in between private dances it's just like a big party.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]In the past week alone, two of my best mates and I have been victims to petty crimes. One of the common tactics is a familiar one. Someone walks up to you on the street and tries to engage you in conversation "Where are you from? Oh, you're a foreigner! I love foreigners!" From there, the assailant will try to hug, wrestle or in some other way try to get in close, personal contact with you in an attempt to locate and extricate your wallet and/or other valuables. These will then be discreetly passed to an accomplice who will quickly get in a car and drive off, giving your original attacker some plausible deniability as to the whereabouts of your property. Steps to avoid such attacks are obvious: always be aware of your surroundings, don't talk with strangers on the street, and maintain physical distance with them at all times.
Doc and I also had a bad experience this week. We'd started with a couple beers at HD (watching a football match, certainly NOT the skanky hos who were working on that night), then proceeded to Che. It was a particularly bad night for talent at Che as well, so we ordered a couple of mojitos and tried to make the best of it. Doc was chatting up a 30-ish girl whose "boyfriend" had recently left. After an hour or so, she also left. We'd been buzzing after another round or two of mojitos, but well in control of ourselves. But within 20 minutes, we both were near passing out. We managed to grab a taxi and that's the last thing I remember before waking up in bed the next morning with a king-sized hangover that lasted the entire day and evening. It wasn't until recounting all the events that following night that we put it together that we'd been drugged. So as always, boys, keep an eye on your drinks![/QUOTE]All the more reason to find a wing man.... Being out there alone can be dangerous.
[QUOTE=Lukasek]. And I think I said it all. IMHO.[/QUOTE]In Kyiv once I invited a first timer for a DRINK, she came with a friend. I asked what they wanted to drink. Champanski, ok. 1 bottle, pivo for me.
Soon they were speaking Russian to the waitress while looking at the menu.
I asked, HOPE YA GOT $?
Finished my beer, laid down 80 grivna and LEFT.
Don't let them PLAY ya!
Moscow center had the reputation to be safe (more than any other european capital at least). Hope it won't change. Hope also Che will stays away from such problems.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]
Doc and I started with a couple beers at HD, then at Che, we ordered a couple of mojitos and after another round or two, we were near passing out.
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If the two of you, who know this technique and how to avoid it better than anyone else, and know Che as well as anyone, can't tell when the bartender is setting you up to get rolled when you pass up on any p4p, then there's not much hope for the rest of us, if we're gonna order anything from the bar.
Even a "special" bottle of beer, water, or iced tea, could always have had something injected into the top with a syringe, or had the bottle top cramped back on after adding tasteless GHB or a drop or two of fentanyl, then specifically picked for you from the rest by the bartender or waitress, so there's basically nothing safe, except bringing your own flask to drink, and if you're absolutely required to order something, then just leave it or accidentally spill it on the floor.
Maybe you should try to reverse the scam, somehow pretend to drink what they give you, maybe discreetly pour it into a plant or under the table, or pour it out in the toilet, then fake like you're passing out. Then when the bad guys show up to roll you, pull out your Walther PPK and surprise them with two slugs in the back of their heads.
That's what a true Vhor would do.
[QUOTE=Toto001]I will be in Moscow soon and will stay in Hotel Maritim Renessaince.
While looking for some girl I could meet there, I have been mailing hundreds of girls at Mamba, but it appears there are no girls that speak english. All I receive is Russian telefone numbers and the prices as resonse. I assume it is some pimp who is actually answering the mails. The girls are probably on work.
Anyways, I also stepped over an escort page. The girls there look really great! Could this be? Does anybody have experience with girls from that escort?
Would be happy to receive your comments on this, or any recommendation for a model like busty girl I could hook up with.
[url]http://www.exclusivegirls.ru/enter.php[/url][/QUOTE]
As others have said, that looks fake or at least over-stated.
While I have not actually used it yet, [url]www.rusdosug.com[/url] looks like the best web-site source for P4P - at least for those without Russian skills. Rusdosug has an English language version (plus French, Germany and Italian) and has an excellent search function. Yes, there will still be fake or doctored photos and yes many girls posing as independents are fronting for brothels or salons, but welcome to the world of prositution - it is not a bastion of advertising integrity!
[QUOTE=Toto001][url]http://www.exclusivegirls.ru/enter.php[/url][/QUOTE]This site is an obvious rip-off. There are 2 main ways to tell this:
1. It's in English, and
2. The phone number begins with 7.
They are obviously appealing to foreign tourists. The chances of actually meeting one of these girls is almost nil, and if you do, they will be grossly overpriced.
The main website for internet P4P is intimcity.ru (and its sister site, rusdosug.com). Ninety five percent of the working girls in Moscow, who advertise on the internet, are on this site. The other 5% aren't worth talking about. Intimcity.ru is strictly in Russian. For those of you who are "Cyrillically challenged", rusdosug.ru will give you an English translation
[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]If the two of you, who know this technique and how to avoid it better than anyone else, and know Che as well as anyone, can't tell when the bartender is setting you up to get rolled when you pass up on any p4p, then there's not much hope for the rest of us, if we're gonna order anything from the bar.[/QUOTE]Best way to deal with the problem is to simply avoid the expat nightclubs altogether.
After reading a few of the entertaining reports here it reminds me of an awesome book I read last year 'I hope they serve beer in hell'. Hilarious. I'm in Moscow tonight (Monday night and obviously not the best night) and I've looked through the posts on here to get the knowledge on the best places for the free action and pay for play. I totally agree with those on here who prefer to test the free market before p4p as being preferable if not only for keeping $ in the wallet but for the ego massage of having gorgous women put down their ***** shields and cock blocking antics. I've made a few notes based on reports here which runs to a dozen or so places which I'd like narrowing down for best results with the dynamic of a Monday night! Please feel free to confirm what I've noted or put me right on the confused. The list reads:
For Free: Che, Garazh, Papa's, Real McCoy, Tikka Bar, Tema Bar, 16 Tons, Road House, Kitay. Gorod, Lubyanka (it wasn't clear if these last two were areas of Moscow or bars)? Is Kitay the bar in Gorod and Lubyanka is.?
Expat orientated pick up bars with free and P4p:
Hungry Duck, Sorry Babushka, Hot Dog, Boar House, Doug and Matys, 1171, 31/7
Tochka's: Fantasies, Charmel and ElitTV $125. 150
Being in my early thirties and often informed I have a resemblance of David Beckham and Gordon Ramsey (Go figure I Know) with an understanding if not total grasp of 'The Game' and I do OK when it comes to women. Recently working in the airline industry and with 15 different women on every flight the opportunities are daily. My weakness though is very attractive women especially Russian/ Slavic's. I've been learning Russian for just over a year using Pimsleur audio's on my ipod for at least an hour a day and study several phrasebooks. I understand Cyrillic and I am at a basic level of understanding Russian and am working toward being fluent which will take years which I'm happy to commit to.
I have been to Moscow twice and I my line of work allows me to go as often as I like but only for 24 hrs at a time. My last visit was very interesting if not for mongering but in seeing the effect a foreigner has on Russian women. To cut a long story short. Being with my crew in a restaurant I was getting 'the eye' from another table with three women and two guys. After going to the loo I came out to to find two of the women outside the gents with one engaging me with a 'I wanna fuck you' look which I naturally reciprocated with a cocky smile and headed back to join the meal. Sometime later after seeing us prepare to leave, the same women came out to the reception area and asked where I was going. I explained that despite me wanting to go for more drinks in Moscow, my fellow crew were being boring and wanted to rest. This had them asking me to join them and I played hard to get and in part. Not quite sure of the arrangement with the guys at their table. One of them who was a size 8, petite brunette with a perfect body in tight pants and figure hugging polo neck said it would make her night if I would join them if only for a few drinks. She said that she was married but she really wanted to spend some time with me. I didn't resist.
At the table with my basic Russian and their pidgeon English we drank Vodka and I was made very welcome with him saying how Russians respect those who try to learn thir mother tongue. What I didn't know was that her husband was there at the table. It was Eurovision night in Moscow and he dissapeared for some 20 minutes and the ladies and I carried on drinking. When he returned momentarily he then left again with his wife in tow for them to return ten minutes later with him having a cut on his cheek and a deep scratch on his neck. He sat down next to me and after a few minutes he explained that his crazy wife believed that when he went off to see the song contest results he had infact gone to have sex with another woman in the toilets? ! Knowing that earlier she was the one who had waited for me outside the gents I realized what a Machavelian crazy ***** she clearly was in thinking she could try to manipulate a situation where she would accuse her husband of one year of infidelity where he would storm out and leave us together? ! We carried on drinking but my enjoyment was more of the company of the decent Russian guy as opposed to the prospect of shagging what turned out to be his wife. It was the guy who I swapped numbers with at the end of the night and subsequently kept in touch with!
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After reading a few of the entertaining reports here it reminds me of an awesome book I read last year 'I hope they serve beer in hell' ...hilarious.
I'm in Moscow tonight (Monday night and obviously not the best night) and I've looked through the posts on here to get the knowledge on the best places for the free action and pay for play. I totally agree with those on here who prefer to test the free market before p4p as being preferable if not only for keeping $ in the wallet but for the ego massage of having gorgous women put down their ***** shields and cock blocking antics. I've made a few notes based on reports here which runs to a dozen or so places which I'd like narrowing down for best results with the dynamic of a Monday night! Please feel free to confirm what I've noted or put me right on the confused. The list reads:
For Free: Che, Garazh, Papa's, Real McCoy, Tikka Bar, Tema Bar, 16 Tons, Road House, Kitay... Gorod, Lubyanka (it wasn't clear if these last two were areas of Moscow or bars)? Is Kitay the bar in Gorod and Lubyanka is...?
Expat orientated pick up bars with free and P4p:
Hungry Duck, Sorry Babushka, Hot Dog, Boar House, Doug and Matys, 1171, 31/7
Tochka's: Fantasies, Charmel and ElitTV $125 - 150
Being in my early thirties and often informed I have a resemblance of David Beckham and Gordon Ramsey (Go figure I Know) with an understanding if not total grasp of 'The Game' and I do OK when it comes to women. Recently working in the airline industry and with 15 different women on every flight the opportunities are daily. My weakness though is very attractive women especially Russian/ Slavic's. I've been learning Russian for just over a year using Pimsleur audio's on my ipod for at least an hour a day and study several phrasebooks. I understand Cyrillic and I am at a basic level of understanding Russian and am working toward being fluent which will take years which I'm happy to commit to.
I have been to Moscow twice and I my line of work allows me to go as often as I like but only for 24 hrs at a time. My last visit was very interesting if not for mongering but in seeing the effect a foreigner has on Russian women. To cut a long story short... being with my crew in a restaurant I was getting 'the eye' from another table with three women and two guys. After going to the loo I came out to to find two of the women outside the gents with one engaging me with a 'I wanna fuck you' look which I naturally reciprocated with a cocky smile and headed back to join the meal. Sometime later after seeing us prepare to leave, the same women came out to the reception area and asked where I was going. I explained that despite me wanting to go for more drinks in Moscow, my fellow crew were being boring and wanted to rest. This had them asking me to join them and I played hard to get and in part ...not quite sure of the arrangement with the guys at their table. One of them who was a size 8, petite brunette with a perfect body in tight pants and figure hugging polo neck said it would make her night if I would join them if only for a few drinks. She said that she was married but she really wanted to spend some time with me. I didn't resist.
At the table with my basic Russian and their pidgeon English we drank Vodka and I was made very welcome with him saying how Russians respect those who try to learn thir mother tongue. What I didn't know was that her husband was there at the table. It was Eurovision night in Moscow and he dissapeared for some 20 minutes and the ladies and I carried on drinking. When he returned momentarily he then left again with his wife in tow for them to return ten minutes later with him having a cut on his cheek and a deep scratch on his neck. He sat down next to me and after a few minutes he explained that his crazy wife believed that when he went off to see the song contest results he had infact gone to have sex with another woman in the toilets?! Knowing that earlier she was the one who had waited for me outside the gents I realized what a Machavelian crazy ***** she clearly was in thinking she could try to manipulate a situation where she would accuse her husband of one year of infidelity where he would storm out and leave us together?! We carried on drinking but my enjoyment was more of the company of the decent Russian guy as opposed to the prospect of shagging what turned out to be his wife. It was the guy who I swapped numbers with at the end of the night and subsequently kept in touch with!
[QUOTE=Size Six Lover]I'm in Moscow tonight (Monday night and obviously not the best night)[/QUOTE]I'm in Moscow Tuesday night and not Monday! Too many time zones and days and nights rolling into one on my roster! So where on my long list is better for a Tuesday night 1am - 4 for pick up and P4P?
[QUOTE=Size Six Lover]...
I'm in Moscow tonight (Monday night and obviously not the best night) and I've looked through the posts on here to get the knowledge on the best places for the free action and pay for play. ...
For Free: Che, Garazh, Papa's, Real McCoy, Tikka Bar, Tema Bar, 16 Tons, Road House, Kitay... Gorod, Lubyanka (it wasn't clear if these last two were areas of Moscow or bars)? Is Kitay the bar in Gorod and Lubyanka is...?
Kitay Gorod = China Town in Russian (and is an inner Moscow city METRO station).
Lubyanka is also an inner Moscow city METRO station. It takes its name from the adjacent "fortress", an ex-KGB headquarters, and often first point of interrogation, torture etc. for dissidents.
Freebies in Moscow is an exciting chase. There can be few feelings more inducing of testosterone than being packed into a METRO carriage surrounded by emerging, current or immediate past "super models", or almost so.
Well done with your Pimsleur Russian practice. The best way to advance your Russian language, of course, is with "pillow talk".
I found the Internet a good way to make female friends with the occasional and memorable freebie.
I am now reaching for the handkerchief as I get misty eyed at my memories.
Miss the dazzling eyes and the high cheek bones.
Yes, please do report.
Enjoy Moscow.
P13
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]
Doc and I also had a bad experience this week. We'd started with a couple beers at HD (watching a football match, certainly NOT the skanky hos who were working on that night), then proceeded to Che. It was a particularly bad night for talent at Che as well, so we ordered a couple of mojitos and tried to make the best of it. Doc was chatting up a 30-ish girl whose "boyfriend" had recently left. After an hour or so, she also left. We'd been buzzing after another round or two of mojitos, but well in control of ourselves. But within 20 minutes, we both were near passing out. We managed to grab a taxi and that's the last thing I remember before waking up in bed the next morning with a king-sized hangover that lasted the entire day and evening. It wasn't until recounting all the events that following night that we put it together that we'd been drugged. So as always, boys, keep an eye on your drinks![/QUOTE]
Found the following website. Haven't tried it, but figured I'd pass it along.
[url]http://www.drinkspikedetector.com/[/url]
[QUOTE=Size Six Lover]I'm in Moscow tonight (Monday night and obviously not the best night) [/QUOTE]Sorry I'm on Moscow Tuesday night.
What's the best of Moscow for free and P4P from my list?
Che could be a solution even on a Tuesday.
I am wondering if Papa's johns does not make its latina party on Tuesday? If yes, you will score there!
Any p4p on tuesday is good; try charmel, it can't be bad... It's a taste of the amazing moscow...
[QUOTE=Passepartout]Che could be a solution even on a Tuesday.
I am wondering if Papa's johns does not make its latina party on Tuesday? If yes, you will score there!
Any p4p on tuesday is good; try charmel, it can't be bad... It's a taste of the amazing moscow...[/QUOTE]
Yes Tuesday is latin music night at Papa's Place.
Also Tuesday is student night at Zona (I've heard it's good but haven't been).
[QUOTE=Size Six Lover]
For Free: Che, Garazh, Papa's, Real McCoy, Tikka Bar, Tema Bar, 16 Tons, Road House, Kitay... Gorod, Lubyanka (it wasn't clear if these last two were areas of Moscow or bars)? Is Kitay the bar in Gorod and Lubyanka is...?
Expat orientated pick up bars with free and P4p:
Hungry Duck, Sorry Babushka, Hot Dog, Boar House, Doug and Matys, 1171, 31/7
Tochka's: Fantasies, Charmel and ElitTV $125 - 150
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Kitaj Gorod and Lubyanka are metro stops. Also popular with expats are Krizis Zhanra and Propaganda, both zero cover.
Really the main expat clubs in Moscow are Hot Dog's, Night Flight, Krizis Zhanra, and Papa's. Go to any of those and you'll hear English/German being spoken.
Boar House is called Hot Dog's now (and it's first name was Chesterfield).
Hungry Duck is as far as I know to be avoided these days. Last time I was there was two years back but it was terrible.
[QUOTE=Latexian2]Kitaj Gorod and Lubyanka are metro stops. Also popular with expats are Krizis Zhanra and Propaganda, both zero cover.
Really the main expat clubs in Moscow are Hot Dog's, Night Flight, Krizis Zhanra, and Papa's. Go to any of those and you'll hear English/German being spoken
Also Tuesday is student night at Zona (I've heard it's good nut never been)[/QUOTE]
Aaaah I did wonder as these places have been mentioned quite a bit on here but I'm guessing a lot of these bars are located in Kitaj Gorod and Lubyanka districts.
What's the dress code in these places? I was last in Moscow on a Thursday night with crew and we just wanted a beer after our flight. After visiting a few empty bars like Karma we asked locals where was good to go and the same name kept recurring.'Opera Karaoke'. We went and weren't dressed for the strict dress code on the door. We waited outside for a taxi and my jaw was on the floor as one model after another arrived with a face code in operation to boot! The funny thing was that plenty of scruffy looking guys were getting out of their cars and had no problem walking in but I'm sure it's because each one of the egotistical wnkrs were revving the V8's of their Audi's to prove they were good for business prior to approaching the door!
I was going to wear a suit after this experience but now I'm not so sure especially if I decide to venture to one of the student mentioned places! A smart suit minus the tie is a winner usually anywhere but maybe I'll have to rule out Zona although unsurprisingly it sounds most appealing!
I am a junior member. I only paid $25 to join so I have no say but....
Block this bullshit.
I can read the same thing next time I go to Wal-mart
This guy never traveled anywhere. Maybe Disney with Mom and Dad?
Please delete it
plzzzzzzz
Don't blame me for being beautiful. I was born in the south of France. My father was a chess champion but our family heritage goes back generations. Perhaps you heard of Alexander Dumas? We bleed royalty....I could tell you I can sleep with .... BANG BANG. Royalty is asleep forever. Goodnight. Viva Fidel.
[QUOTE=Size Six Lover]After reading a few of the entertaining reports here it reminds me of an awesome book I read last year 'I hope they serve beer in hell' ...hilarious.
I'm in Moscow tonight (Monday night and obviously not the best night) and I've looked through the posts on here to get the knowledge on the best places for the free action and pay for play. I totally agree with those on here who prefer to test the free market before p4p as being preferable if not only for keeping $ in the wallet but for the ego massage of having gorgous women put down their ***** shields and cock blocking antics. I've made a few notes based on reports here which runs to a dozen or so places which I'd like narrowing down for best results with the dynamic of a Monday night! Please feel free to confirm what I've noted or put me right on the confused. The list reads:
For Free: Che, Garazh, Papa's, Real McCoy, Tikka Bar, Tema Bar, 16 Tons, Road House, Kitay... Gorod, Lubyanka (it wasn't clear if these last two were areas of Moscow or bars)? Is Kitay the bar in Gorod and Lubyanka is...?
Expat orientated pick up bars with free and P4p:
Hungry Duck, Sorry Babushka, Hot Dog, Boar House, Doug and Matys, 1171, 31/7
Tochka's: Fantasies, Charmel and ElitTV $125 - 150
Being in my early thirties and often informed I have a resemblance of David Beckham and Gordon Ramsey (Go figure I Know) with an understanding if not total grasp of 'The Game' and I do OK when it comes to women. Recently working in the airline industry and with 15 different women on every flight the opportunities are daily. My weakness though is very attractive women especially Russian/ Slavic's. I've been learning Russian for just over a year using Pimsleur audio's on my ipod for at least an hour a day and study several phrasebooks. I understand Cyrillic and I am at a basic level of understanding Russian and am working toward being fluent which will take years which I'm happy to commit to.
I have been to Moscow twice and I my line of work allows me to go as often as I like but only for 24 hrs at a time. My last visit was very interesting if not for mongering but in seeing the effect a foreigner has on Russian women. To cut a long story short... being with my crew in a restaurant I was getting 'the eye' from another table with three women and two guys. After going to the loo I came out to to find two of the women outside the gents with one engaging me with a 'I wanna fuck you' look which I naturally reciprocated with a cocky smile and headed back to join the meal. Sometime later after seeing us prepare to leave, the same women came out to the reception area and asked where I was going. I explained that despite me wanting to go for more drinks in Moscow, my fellow crew were being boring and wanted to rest. This had them asking me to join them and I played hard to get and in part ...not quite sure of the arrangement with the guys at their table. One of them who was a size 8, petite brunette with a perfect body in tight pants and figure hugging polo neck said it would make her night if I would join them if only for a few drinks. She said that she was married but she really wanted to spend some time with me. I didn't resist.
At the table with my basic Russian and their pidgeon English we drank Vodka and I was made very welcome with him saying how Russians respect those who try to learn thir mother tongue. What I didn't know was that her husband was there at the table. It was Eurovision night in Moscow and he dissapeared for some 20 minutes and the ladies and I carried on drinking. When he returned momentarily he then left again with his wife in tow for them to return ten minutes later with him having a cut on his cheek and a deep scratch on his neck. He sat down next to me and after a few minutes he explained that his crazy wife believed that when he went off to see the song contest results he had infact gone to have sex with another woman in the toilets?! Knowing that earlier she was the one who had waited for me outside the gents I realized what a Machavelian crazy ***** she clearly was in thinking she could try to manipulate a situation where she would accuse her husband of one year of infidelity where he would storm out and leave us together?! We carried on drinking but my enjoyment was more of the company of the decent Russian guy as opposed to the prospect of shagging what turned out to be his wife. It was the guy who I swapped numbers with at the end of the night and subsequently kept in touch with![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Size Six Lover]
It was the guy who I swapped numbers with at the end of the night!
[/QUOTE]
Even Misinforection, who plays with Fidel's royal bleeding chest, agrees that Size Six IQ's story belongs on a Wal-mart bathroom stall, probably reads it while having his glory-hole Bang.
These Moscow sad stories make me realize why I'll forever hold my line to province students, where results oriented mongering comes first, last, and in-between. The right GFE attitude:
[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]If the two of you, who know this technique and how to avoid it better than anyone else, and know Che as well as anyone, can't tell when the bartender is setting you up to get rolled when you pass up on any p4p, then there's not much hope for the rest of us, if we're gonna order anything from the bar.
[/QUOTE]
I refuse to believe it was the bartenders. I know them. And why would they choose to fuck with a regular customer, especially when they're most likely to be fingered. No, I'm almost certain that it was the girl (more accurately - woman) with whom Skank was chatting. I'm guessing her "boyfriend" was waiting outside hoping to pick one of us off, but we b-lined to the ploschad to catch a moving taxi (always a safer bet than one parked) and didn't give him the chance. I'm guessing at that point they followed our taxi and tried to pick off Skank at his flat. Anyway, the key here is to ALWAYS WATCH YOUR DRINK. Unfortunately, that sort of thing is almost impossible when you're dancing and having a good time...
Like your proposal, though, BB. In case you're ever in need of a job again, there are "groups" here who'd love to use your services.
I was drugged literally the first month I was in Moscow, and haven't been since. It pays to order a bottle if you're going to these expat haunts - and to beware of gypsy-lookin' women. I lost a phone that would sell for about 500 rubles these days (black and white screen - this was 2003) but I learned my lesson. What I'd like to know is - how do I get a hold of this stuff they put in the drinks? It might come in handy.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]In the past week alone, two of my best mates and I have been victims to petty crimes. One of the common tactics is a familiar one. Someone walks up to you on the street and tries to engage you in conversation "Where are you from? Oh, you're a foreigner! I love foreigners!" From there, the assailant will try to hug, wrestle or in some other way try to get in close, personal contact with you in an attempt to locate and extricate your wallet and/or other valuables. These will then be discreetly passed to an accomplice who will quickly get in a car and drive off, giving your original attacker some plausible deniability as to the whereabouts of your property. Steps to avoid such attacks are obvious: always be aware of your surroundings, don't talk with strangers on the street, and maintain physical distance with them at all times.
Doc and I also had a bad experience this week. We'd started with a couple beers at HD (watching a football match, certainly NOT the skanky hos who were working on that night), then proceeded to Che. It was a particularly bad night for talent at Che as well, so we ordered a couple of mojitos and tried to make the best of it. Doc was chatting up a 30-ish girl whose "boyfriend" had recently left. After an hour or so, she also left. We'd been buzzing after another round or two of mojitos, but well in control of ourselves. But within 20 minutes, we both were near passing out. We managed to grab a taxi and that's the last thing I remember before waking up in bed the next morning with a king-sized hangover that lasted the entire day and evening. It wasn't until recounting all the events that following night that we put it together that we'd been drugged. So as always, boys, keep an eye on your drinks![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Size Six Lover]We carried on drinking but my enjoyment was more of the company of the decent Russian guy as opposed to the prospect of shagging what turned out to be his wife. It was the guy who I swapped numbers with at the end of the night and subsequently kept in touch with![/QUOTE]Quote from BB 'This is mongering gone wrong'
I wasn't mongering. Sure I'd have fucked her had I not spent time sat with her husband drinking his vodka and him making me feel welcome.
Delete it. It's hardly my conquering achievement in life. Just something which happened during a dinner and was my first experience of Moscow which in the context of this forum goes to show how Russian women think and the levels they'll stoop to.
Best block this bullshit. I didn't realise it was a 'who shouts loudest forum'.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]I refuse to believe it was the bartenders. I know them. And why would they choose to fuck with a regular customer, especially when they're most likely to be fingered. No, I'm almost certain that it was the girl (more accurately - woman) with whom Skank was chatting. I'm guessing her "boyfriend" was waiting outside hoping to pick one of us off, but we b-lined to the ploschad to catch a moving taxi (always a safer bet than one parked) and didn't give him the chance. I'm guessing at that point they followed our taxi and tried to pick off Skank at his flat. Anyway, the key here is to ALWAYS WATCH YOUR DRINK. Unfortunately, that sort of thing is almost impossible when you're dancing and having a good time...
Like your proposal, though, BB. In case you're ever in need of a job again, there are "groups" here who'd love to use your services.[/QUOTE]That'd be my theory as well, it wasn't the bartender and the "mystery woman" that was next to me was suspiciously forward to me... was hitting on me even though I more or less ignored her. We did dance, so that was an easy opportunity for someone looking to drug us discreetly.
As for the guys that tried to roll me later, not sure if they were in cahoots with the drug gang, but they were pretty amateurish in their attempt to rob me. They got nothing but expletives from me.
Alls well that ends well though, I fucked my cock raw that week.
I would have thought this sort of thing would be far more common in Kiev (as a known sex tourist destination) than Moscow. Anyone have any info?
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]As for the guys that tried to roll me later, not sure if they were in cahoots with the drug gang, but they were pretty amateurish in their attempt to rob me. They got nothing but expletives from me.[/QUOTE]This is a new twist. Tell us more, dear knight. Was this in the street outside Che? Did they, like, pull a knife on you and say, "Yo, fool, gimme yo money."?
Hi guys,
I'm sorry about my english. It's so bad.
I was reading this forum - Moscow, but i did not find something about s.w.
Can you help me where i can find them?
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[QUOTE=Pizdyets]but we b-lined to the ploschad to catch a moving taxi (always a safer bet than one parked)[/QUOTE]Just curious, why is a moving taxi safer than a parked one?
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]This is a new twist. Tell us more, dear knight. Was this in the street outside Che? Did they, like, pull a knife on you and say, "Yo, fool, gimme yo money."?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Pizdyets]In the past week alone, two of my best mates and I have been victims to petty crimes. One of the common tactics is a familiar one. Someone walks up to you on the street and tries to engage you in conversation "Where are you from? Oh, you're a foreigner! I love foreigners!" From there, the assailant will try to hug, wrestle or in some other way try to get in close, personal contact with you in an attempt to locate and extricate your wallet and/or other valuables. These will then be discreetly passed to an accomplice who will quickly get in a car and drive off, giving your original attacker some plausible deniability as to the whereabouts of your property. Steps to avoid such attacks are obvious: always be aware of your surroundings, don't talk with strangers on the street, and maintain physical distance with them at all times.
[/QUOTE]Strav, it was some variation on the scene described by Pizdyets.
After returning home and getting out of my taxi on one of Moscow's major "prospects", a second car with a driver and passenger stops on the street and the passenger gets out and says something to me in English and then rushes me and goes for my wallet. We struggle and I yell at him and fight him off and he runs back to his car, gets in and drives off.
I only pieced together exactly what happened the next day as I was still fucked up from the roofies, but in examining my room the next afternoon when I finally woke up I noticed that at least some part of my brain had been working. I had double-locked the door, checked my wallet to make sure I still had my money, checked to make sure I still had both phones and of course made sure I still had my passport.
Besides the actual adrenalin-charged struggle on the street however, I remember absolutely nothing between making the decision to leave Che and waking up the next afternoon feeling like zhopa.
I have no delusions of granduer about my krav maga skills however... had the attacker been more determined, armed, had both guys attacked or had the area of attack been more secluded, I could have been in serious trouble. Adrenalin and all, I was not in proper condition to fight a determined and skilled attacker. Most likely the bandit simply thought I was more trouble than it was worth.
It seems to me however that I was purposely targeted as a foreigner, after all the attacker approached me in English. Whether or not the attack was directly related to the drugging at Che I do not know.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]After returning home and getting out of my taxi on one of Moscow's major "prospects", a second car with a driver and passenger stops on the street and the passenger gets out and says something to me in English and then rushes me and goes for my wallet. We struggle and I yell at him and fight him off and he runs back to his car, gets in and drives off.[/QUOTE]Interesting, it almost sounds as if you were "targeted". They must have been following you. What are the chances that this was just a random attack?
I just have a kind question for those of you willing to answer and who are in Moscow or have been. I have been reading up on Moscow's nightclubs (especially strip clubs) from a book my brother bought me. And I was wondering what was the best strip club for grabbing a girl and basically having sex with her for an affordable price? Is dolls any good for that?
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Interesting, it almost sounds as if you were "targeted". They must have been following you. What are the chances that this was just a random attack?[/QUOTE]Could have been targeted, or it could have been a random attack by guys out circling the main streets looking for foreign-looking guys to steal money from.
As Pizdyets said, there have been reports of this lately on other expat forums as well.
[QUOTE=Castonthis]what was the best strip club for grabbing a girl and basically having sex with her for an affordable price?[/QUOTE]Define [i]affordable[/i].
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Define [i]affordable[/i].[/QUOTE]Like less than a 1000 bucks.
Doc it was not a random thing, you were targeted as foreigner.
The deal is simple. Taxi drivers hang at places frequently visited by foreigners. Foreigners gets in cab, drive me there and there. Now the part where knowledge of russian can save your butt. Taxi driver takes his radio calling his central of his destination. After releasing you're a foreigner he calls somebody else (usually another cab with attacker posing as passenger - your taxi driver is part of their gang). He describes his "package" and how much money can be there, saying the destination. When he takes you to your destination they are already waiting for you. This thing became a regular type of operation in Moscow this summer but this is just a kid play. There are much more serious thing. A taxi driver robbing his customers using "Groza" electric stun gun. He operates at Sheremetyevo-2 dumping his stunned victims along the road so pay attention. Another taxi driver using a Makarov pistol robs his customers. A guy in the fifties, sharply dressed, pleasant and good english. Drives a dark BMW, at the end of the drive he asks you to pay your bill then pulls a Makarov demanding your money and credit cards. In August he robbed 17 foreigners (giving more than 120 total this summer - but this are only those who reported it and real number is probably much higher. Seems he specially likes to rob Belgians so if you're a Belgian pay attention. Moscow newspapers are regulary following his actions but probably all of you don't read it. There's a theory he's a cop. He even writes down address from passport saying if you go to police I got your address and I'll send my russian friends living in your town to pay you a visit.
What's there to say - only welcome to Russia.
[QUOTE=Kurenda]Taxi driver takes his radio calling his central of his destination. After releasing you're a foreigner he calls somebody else (usually another cab with attacker posing as passenger - your taxi driver is part of their gang). He describes his "package" and how much money can be there, saying the destination. When he takes you to your destination they are already waiting for you. [/QUOTE]очень интересно
I don't think I've ever been in a car in Moscow that had radio communication. Taxi or otherwise. Cell phone of course, but not a radio.
Well... there was that one ride with the Militsia, but that was it. :)
Never heard of that happening. There are two easy ways to avoid this:
1. Get a gypsy cab - just some Uzbek-looking guy that will give you a ride. 999 times out of 1000 he's happy to get whatever you give him.
2. Call a trusted cab service. This is an easy enough prospect. The bar can call one for you if you're too much of a dumbass to figure out how to do so on your own - I was in Yaroslavl when it was minus 30 and even Evroset was calling people cabs (maybe they get a kickback).
The only foreigners I've ever heard of getting clobbered in and out of taxis were very, very drunk. The only time I've purposefully called a cab service rather than just flagging down a taxi was at Gorbushka when I'd bought a flat-screen TV (the obvious reasoning is that if you want to lift a brand new flat-screen, there's no better place to find some sucker to put it in the trunk of your car).
[QUOTE=Kurenda]Doc it was not a random thing, you were targeted as foreigner.
The deal is simple. Taxi drivers hang at places frequently visited by foreigners. Foreigners gets in cab, drive me there and there. Now the part where knowledge of russian can save your butt. Taxi driver takes his radio calling his central of his destination. After releasing you're a foreigner he calls somebody else (usually another cab with attacker posing as passenger - your taxi driver is part of their gang). He describes his "package" and how much money can be there, saying the destination. When he takes you to your destination they are already waiting for you. This thing became a regular type of operation in Moscow this summer but this is just a kid play. There are much more serious thing. A taxi driver robbing his customers using "Groza" electric stun gun. He operates at Sheremetyevo-2 dumping his stunned victims along the road so pay attention. Another taxi driver using a Makarov pistol robs his customers. A guy in the fifties, sharply dressed, pleasant and good english. Drives a dark BMW, at the end of the drive he asks you to pay your bill then pulls a Makarov demanding your money and credit cards. In August he robbed 17 foreigners (giving more than 120 total this summer - but this are only those who reported it and real number is probably much higher. Seems he specially likes to rob Belgians so if you're a Belgian pay attention. Moscow newspapers are regulary following his actions but probably all of you don't read it. There's a theory he's a cop. He even writes down address from passport saying if you go to police I got your address and I'll send my russian friends living in your town to pay you a visit.
What's there to say - only welcome to Russia.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Castonthis]Like less than a 1000 bucks.[/QUOTE]
I really don't think you can beat Bordo. You can negotiate down to about $200 for a half hour with an absolute stunning 9 or 10. $1000 would keep you going all night no problem.
[QUOTE=Kurenda]Doc it was not a random thing, you were targeted as foreigner.
The deal is simple. Taxi drivers hang at places frequently visited by foreigners. Foreigners gets in cab, drive me there and there. Now the part where knowledge of russian can save your butt. Taxi driver takes his radio calling his central of his destination. After releasing you're a foreigner he calls somebody else (usually another cab with attacker posing as passenger - your taxi driver is part of their gang). He describes his "package" and how much money can be there, saying the destination. When he takes you to your destination they are already waiting for you. This thing became a regular type of operation in Moscow this summer but this is just a kid play. There are much more serious thing. A taxi driver robbing his customers using "Groza" electric stun gun. He operates at Sheremetyevo-2 dumping his stunned victims along the road so pay attention. Another taxi driver using a Makarov pistol robs his customers. A guy in the fifties, sharply dressed, pleasant and good english. Drives a dark BMW, at the end of the drive he asks you to pay your bill then pulls a Makarov demanding your money and credit cards. In August he robbed 17 foreigners (giving more than 120 total this summer - but this are only those who reported it and real number is probably much higher. Seems he specially likes to rob Belgians so if you're a Belgian pay attention. Moscow newspapers are regulary following his actions but probably all of you don't read it. There's a theory he's a cop. He even writes down address from passport saying if you go to police I got your address and I'll send my russian friends living in your town to pay you a visit.
What's there to say - only welcome to Russia.[/QUOTE]I may have been specifically targeted, but the one guy NOT in on the deal was my taxi driver. As Pizdyets said we picked up a moving one from the street and he let us off seperately and drove off immediately after dropping us off.
He was Azeri if I remember correctly, my attackers were Russian. Also unlikely they were in it together.
I am sure taxi crime does happen, but from hundreds of taxi rides the drivers never gave me a hard time.[QUOTE=Stravinsky]очень интересно
I don't think I've ever been in a car in Moscow that had radio communication. Taxi or otherwise. Cell phone of course, but not a radio.
Well... there was that one ride with the Militsia, but that was it. :)[/QUOTE]
Many official taxis have radios and since there are so many official taxis now, they are usually just as cheap or cheaper than gypsy cabs... except of course those that park right in front of hotels or popular tourists attractions... or clubs... :)
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]I may have been specifically targeted, but the one guy NOT in on the deal was my taxi driver.
[/QUOTE]
Right-O. And Strav, a moving taxi is best since there's very little chance that they could be casing you in the bar. Also, they'll almost always demand less money since they haven't been waiting 2 hours outside a bar for a single measly fare.
Kurenda - I haven't heard about the scenario you described, and it sounds pretty scary. But it doesn't add up. Does this guy in the BMW not have plates? Seems like it'd be child's play to track him down if he did. Afterall, the government has license plate recognition cameras all over the city. And if he doesn't have plates, then he's gonna get stopped by GAI. Which may be why they theorize he's a cop.
[QUOTE]He was Azeri if I remember correctly[/QUOTE]
Not sure if he was Azeri, but he was nice, and definitely not part of any plot to rob us.
[QUOTE=Latexian2]I really don't think you can beat Bordo. You can negotiate down to about $200 for a half hour with an absolute stunning 9 or 10. $1000 would keep you going all night no problem.[/QUOTE]I have been to Bordo yesterday and the day before. The club is quite nice. But to be honest, it did not quite meet my expectations after reading the posts here. I must admit it was a Saturday and Sunday, though. Around 20 girls. All nice looking. However perhas 3 of them in the 9/10 range. All others 7 to 8. 1.000 Rubel cover charge. The taxi driver usually also wants 1.000 to get you there and there will be another 1000 to get you back home. Which is already 100 USD just to get startet. The girls would come to your chair and dance a little. They expect to be tipped with 500 Rubel each time. However, I recognised other guys would give them 200 and they are happy aswell.
I actually invited one girl for several drinks, which is something like 1300 Rubel per drink and keeps the girl a while with you. Actually this can be a lot cheaper then tipping dozens of girls inbetween.
Private dances have been offered to me. The going rate was 100 US $ for 15 min full naked dance in some private room. For the room there was a rent to be payed, which was something like 25 US $.
I would say that the dancing girls and the general club atmosphere (light, music etc) were nice and appealing, the staff however appeared to be very annoyed. Probably because I kept paying in US Dollars.
After having experience with the German FKK scene, I must say it is no comparison at all and my expectations that I would see super top models with unforgetable breasts have not been met *LOL. Perhaps my fantasies have been to high.
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I have been to saloon "5 stars" (piat sviesd") near kurskaya bokzal:
[url]http://www.rusdosug.com/salon.php?id=403[/url]
and met with EVA:
[url]http://www.rusdosug.com/indi21749.htm[/url]
I would recommend this place for mongers who doesn't speak too much russian, as the entrance is very simple to find (it is in the street, not in the garden), code is only 1 figure (they know how to say it in english).
Place itself is not bad, cost for 1 hour 3000 rur.
I've been there on a wednesday night, at 23.30, choice of 10 ladys. Some crap, some were really good.
My choice on Eva was a brilliant one: I would rate her natural breast 10/10. Just amazing, I couldn't believe what I was looking too. I can't say how good was the action, as she finished me in covered BJ, which is really rare for me . She gave the impression to really like to make the BJ.
Quite sympathetic woman - at least if you speak russian.
Only minus: I saw on sextalk 1 guys saying that you should avoid to give to her your phone number... So just go there and do what you are supposed to do.
I would definitely return to this girl and to the place as well. It is one level behind Charmel in terms of quality, but maybe also less mechanic and a little bit cheaper.
Does anybody recognize the metro station?
Or knows in which metro stations there are tochkas?
Planning to spend few days in Moscow, I think the best option is to go to Toshkas. May someone tells me where are Toshkas today?
And what is the average price for a good looking girl?
Thanks
[QUOTE=Toto001]I have been to Bordo yesterday and the day before. The club is quite nice. But to be honest, it did not quite meet my expectations after reading the posts here. [/QUOTE]
Toto, I'm sorry it didn't live up to your expectations. I think a big part of that is just that if you act as a naive foreigner Russians try to take advantage of you. That's not to insult you, it's just that in Europe you can expect good service even as a foreigner, but in Russia you'll get swindled. There's no way you should have paid 1000 rubles for a taxi unless you were staying way outside the MKAD, more like 200 or 300. The taxis right outside clubs are always a bad deal (and sometimes dangerous), so you're better going to the nearest big street (and Bordo is right next to staraya ploshad). The cocktails are indeed a rip off, but if you were to just come in (with a cheap taxi) find one of the hottest girls at Bordo and fuck her for one hour along with one beer you'd be looking at about $300. That's not cheap, but not a total ripoff.
I do agree FKK is a better value.
[QUOTE=Toto001]I have been to Bordo yesterday and the day before. The club is quite nice. But to be honest, it did not quite meet my expectations after reading the posts here. I must admit it was a Saturday and Sunday, though. Around 20 girls. All nice looking. However perhas 3 of them in the 9/10 range. All others 7 to 8. 1.000 Rubel cover charge. The taxi driver usually also wants 1.000 to get you there and there will be another 1000 to get you back home. Which is already 100 USD just to get startet. The girls would come to your chair and dance a little. They expect to be tipped with 500 Rubel each time. However, I recognised other guys would give them 200 and they are happy aswell.
I actually invited one girl for several drinks, which is something like 1300 Rubel per drink and keeps the girl a while with you. Actually this can be a lot cheaper then tipping dozens of girls inbetween.
Private dances have been offered to me. The going rate was 100 US $ for 15 min full naked dance in some private room. For the room there was a rent to be payed, which was something like 25 US $.
I would say that the dancing girls and the general club atmosphere (light, music etc) were nice and appealing, the staff however appeared to be very annoyed. Probably because I kept paying in US Dollars.
After having experience with the German FKK scene, I must say it is no comparison at all and my expectations that I would see super top models with unforgetable breasts have not been met *LOL. Perhaps my fantasies have been to high.
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Not to be overly critical, but you made your club visit much more expensive than it had to be.
Taxis don't cost 1000 rubels. You can rent taxis for 500 rubels/hour! Anywhere within garden ring should be no more than 300 rubels.
Don't pay anything in US$ or €, you'll lose almost every time. Pay in rubels.
Exception would be when pay a large sum to a pro, but make sure you use the real exchange rate. Generally speaking though, it's best to pay in the local currency.
Why tip 500 rubels? You can get away with 100 rubels.
Little things, but it adds up.
RC where have you been?
[QUOTE=Castonthis]Like less than a 1000 bucks.[/QUOTE]Try Aurora, I took some OS clients there from time to time,
Its central, should not cost more than 500 rubles to get to and from, dont pay any more.
1k rubs entrance, but you get a fairly decent display of the girls, as the 30-40 girls all get up on stage from time to time for a free for all, fully nude show.
100rubs to send a girl away, 200 to keep her for a few minutes, 500 if you really like her nd want to buy a drink so she's stay and chat.
Some girls only dance, some girls fk, 1k rubs for a dance, 10k rubs for a fk. fairly inexpensive.
I guess I'm just lucky, or maybe this will work for you too. Pick out a girl that you really like, bring her over for a dance, see how she smiles.. if she's smiling like its a photo pose, then you're unlikely to get any further, but if she smiles cause shes into you.. this is the girl you want.
These girls, tend to give up far more than they should.. which is exactly why I like them, I got one of the girls, who only strips, to faceplant me for an extra song, I had three fingers in her, and had her coming by the end of the 3rd song. she told me.. second toilet to the left, 5 minutes, and sure enough a small knock at my toilet door and she bangs me like crazy. cost : 500rybs for the drink, 3000rybs for the 3 songs.. toilet: priceless
Another time, one girl I'm VERY much into, who lets me eat her out,likes to dress in a Bavarian costume, The first time I had her strip for me, she got so wet, I asked for a second song and ate her out, gawd she tasted good. She doesn't go any further, but her friend came and fucked me crazy..
I suggest though, you wait till around 3am-4am to fk a girl, as they tend to close at 5/6am and the likely hood she's get a second client in that time is null. So this 'friend' rode me, showered me, blew me and rode me some more, for about 2 hours.. wild horse.. As I left the place we were the last two people in there (save cleaning staff)
I've never spent more than 15,000rubs there, barely $500
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[QUOTE=Toptraveler1]Planning to spend few days in Moscow, I think the best option is to go to Toshkas. May someone tells me where are Toshkas today?
And what is the average price for a good looking girl?
Thanks[/QUOTE]On my Way out of town, going to a party in Korelov, my Taxi driver commented about the Tochka's we were driving past.
Small Mini vans, opened up their doors, and several girls climbed out, they looked decent enough from the distance I was at, and the Taxi driver told me, that the girls there would cost 7000 rubles for the night.
I probably spotted 100 girls on that 2-3km stretch outside the MKAD. Who knows how many more were hiding. The Taxi driver and I conversed about the state of moscow that such girls needed to do such things, He told me, its just like marriage. Hmmm
But he also pointed out, that the girls would more than likely stay for a week, because many of these girls are from out of town, have no hotels/apartments to stay at, and they would just love to have a nice decent man who looks after them, and don't mind regular fucking as the cost to stay somewhere.
Food for thought.
[QUOTE=Toptraveler1]Planning to spend few days in Moscow, I think the best option is to go to Toshkas. May someone tells me where are Toshkas today?
And what is the average price for a good looking girl?
Thanks[/QUOTE]Tochka 55° 53’ 09.01’’ N 37° 44’ 00.89’’ E
7500 p
I have been to Aurora 911 on a Sunday night.
As usual, very good atmosphere and perfect girls.
My post is only to inform that we were able to get a table around the scene, usually it is quite difficult and most probably you finish sitting on a chair.
[QUOTE=Solntsa Yada]
But he also pointed out, that the girls would more than likely stay for a week, because many of these girls are from out of town, have no hotels/apartments to stay at, and they would just love to have a nice decent man who looks after them, and don't mind regular fucking as the cost to stay somewhere.
Food for thought.[/QUOTE]
New type of tochka. I was staying in Tula with family this summer. Daughter of the family is married and she asked me to accompany her to train station to wait for her husband returning from Moscow. It was Friday afternoon around 5PM. I noticed maybe 200 girls hanging around the station. Asked my friend "What is this" and she replied "road hookers going to Moscow for a weekend". She explained me that almost in every city around Moscow at Friday afternoon girls pack in trains and go to Moscow for tochka job. They stay there for a weekend and return to their homes Monday morning. So I watched. All those girl packed into the train leaving for Moscow at 6PM. My friend spoke few words with one nice looking girl before she boarded the train. I asked hew who is she, and got the answer they went to high school together and "tochka" is her weekend job. I commented when she's back I'll hit on her. My friend told me not to bother because all those girls are honest and hard to get when they are home. When train arrives to Moscow in 2-3 hours probably all those girls park near some road. Where they sleep I don't know but a cop in Moscow told me there are fights between local, established, or what ever tochkas and those "weekend" for a good spot. Massive fights with tens of girls from both sides. Anyway I figured those girls on return must come with one of the early morning trains from Moscow. So I was at the Tula train station around 8AM when train from Moscow arrived and there they were. Many of them got into the buses driving workers to TOZ (arms factory) so I guess most of those girls went straight to their work there and other places, schools, etc after returning from Moscow. On the train station I noticed also a girl I saw Friday afternoon.
Two days latter I found her in a club so went directly on her. She was like untouchable saying she's serious and interested in marriage only. I told her I know what she's doing at the weekend. Her reply was "so what, it doesn't mean I'm easy to get ho". Oh well what ever. People told me many of those girls often find their husbands in Moscow. Among their customers or not don't know. Also in Tula (and in many other cities probably) this weekend tochkas are no big deal, everybody knows about them. The reasoning is they will get money, get "wild" while they are young and later they will be good wives. Another proof that prostitution in Russia is socially quite accepted.
[QUOTE=Passepartout]I have been to saloon "5 stars" (piat sviesd") near kurskaya bokzal:
[url]http://www.rusdosug.com/salon.php?id=403[/url]
and met with EVA:
[url]http://www.rusdosug.com/indi21749.htm[/url]
I would recommend this place for mongers who doesn't speak too much russian, as the entrance is very simple to find (it is in the street, not in the garden), code is only 1 figure (they know how to say it in english).[/QUOTE]As I am a newbie in this forum (I am a regular in one of the German forums, based in Frankfurt and mostly active in the Oase Club near Frankfurt), I apologize if this post is against forum rules, but Passepartout, would it be possible if you posted the adress of the saloon? Rusodug itself does not seem to have that information, and being challenged in the Russian language, I am a bit afraid at the moment, to call the saloon for their adress.
Thanks in advance,
CL
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Thanks for your report!
Not to be overly critical, but you made your club visit much more expensive than it had to be.
Taxis don't cost 1000 rubels. You can rent taxis for 500 rubels/hour! Anywhere within garden ring should be no more than 300 rubels.
Don't pay anything in US$ or €, you'll lose almost every time. Pay in rubels.
Exception would be when pay a large sum to a pro, but make sure you use the real exchange rate. Generally speaking though, it's best to pay in the local currency.
Why tip 500 rubels? You can get away with 100 rubels.
Little things, but it adds up.[/QUOTE]Well, I just wanted to ad to my report. Bordo is certainly not a ripp off place, albeit it can be quite expensive.
Anyways, I am unexperienced to Moscow, do not speak one word Russian and I have been staying for 3 nights in a good hotel. You will always have to pay more in this case. My experience with taxi drivers is interesting. Although 500 Rb seems to be the going rate in moscow and it might pay off to pick some random driver from the street, my cheapest ride was with a limousine waiting in front of the hotel that first night. This guy asked 800 Rb, but he was able to bring me to Bordo right away. Actually, the next day I tried to be smarter and picked up a normal Taxi (but Taxi) from the street. I asked him to bring me to 911 Vip strip club, due to the good reports here. The driver actually agreed on 500 rb. Well, to make a long story short. After one hour drive through moscow this guy did not find the club. He finally stopped in one street and told me the club was in the backyard. I told him to wait, I was sceptic and had a look. Sure enough, when I returned he was gone. I had to pick another cab. This guy pretended he would know the club. He was aswell driving around and did not find it. Finally he put me off at Secret service. Because it took him aswell at least 45 minutes, he now insisted on 1000 Rb, which I had to give him. Secret Service actually is not that bad, but a little bit traditional Russian touch. About 30 girls, only 3 men. Cover charge 1000 Rb. Some stunners but I could not stand the Russian music there.
So I hooked up with the other two guys. They were german but spoke fluent Russian. I recommended to go to Bordo. These guys stopped a random car on the street and negotiated some super hot price (300 Rb) to go to Bordo.
We spend about 1 hr in the car trying to find Bordo. It was quite embarassing, since the driver stopped at every young couple to ask for the way *LOL. Anyhow, we already wanted to give up, when we finally made it. In the end we had to pay 1000 rb aswell.
When you come as business traveler, the time is limited and you probably only have one or two nights. In this time you want to find the super hot girl with super hot body, young, that is fun to be with and will give you a good time. Chances are, you come in a club and this one chick is occupied with some other customer (happened to me in Bordo's, so I stayed with the second hot which did not have sex on her menue and had a micky mouse voice, I am not sure if she actually hears something). With this ambition and limited time, you may always have to pay more for taxis and other services compared to frequent travelers that know the market and where they would want to go to.
All together, my moscow experience was very well. I would not want to miss it and will go again on other occasion. Nevertheless, since moscow is such a big city I somewhat had expected the clubs (Bordo's, Night Flight) to be much bigger. Sort of size of Help Disco in Rio.
There have been not more than 20 girls and 5-10 men in either of the above mentioned clubs this weekend.
I did some sightseeing at Kreml as well and my impression is that it would be very easy to chat up regular girls there. The selection on the streets is incredible and a lot better then on Mamba.! Perhaps I will try my luck at day time on my next trip as well.
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kurenda,
you didn't happen to find out where these weekend tochkas are located, did you? maybe near some vokzal, or on the prospekt? or are they just rep001tered randomly around the city?
can't help but wonder at exactly what point these proper young future wives blossom into ho's; does this happen the moment they set foot on the train to moscow? or the moment they arrive in moscow? it might be fun to have a private 1st class compartment on that commuter train to mockvy. you could get laid coming and going. :)
Strav,
I found that most of this weekend tochkas are hanging at the roads leading north and east out of Moscow. On the roads in front of towns Klin, Sergiev Posad, Pavlovski Posad, Kolomna. This roads have big traffic so most probbly this is the reason. Doubt they are around vokzals and prospekts since this places are already occupied.
They turn into ho's much before they set foot on the train to Moscow and the moment they arrive in Moscow. They set their minds when they are at the end of high school at the age 17-18. Usually girls talk among them selves about some friend, relative or some girl from their apartment building having nice money, clothes, jewelry from this "weekend" job. Usually it's the girl which already have experience in this who brings new ones to Moscow.
The commuter train to Moscow is usually elektricka without compartments, it's platzkartni. Getting laid coming and going can be tricky since along the girls comes some number of off duty cops acting as protection for a fee in the form of money or sex.
[QUOTE=Toto001]In the end we had to pay 1000 rb aswell.
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Toto - this is NOT how it works here. You negotiate a fare in advance, and that's the price. Period. If the taxist tries to extract more once you get to your destination, you wad up the money you'd agreed to and throw it in his face, rather than politely handing it to him.
Also, I never ever ever pay more than 200 rubles for moving within the Garden Ring. And I might note that my Russian colleagues consider me to be a "weak" negotiator when it comes to taxis. 300 rubles is highway robbery and 1000 rubles is just plain stupid.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Also, I never ever ever pay more than 200 rubles for moving within the Garden Ring. And I might note that my Russian colleagues consider me to be a "weak" negotiator when it comes to taxis. 300 rubles is highway robbery and 1000 rubles is just plain stupid.[/QUOTE] Of course you're talking about travel in Moscow during evening hours - right? I have found the that the fare DECIDEDLY goes up when the traffic gets bad. I was traveling from The Crown plaza to Night Flight with two Moscow First Timers in June. It was a Tuesday night at 9:00 PM, it had rained and the traffic was horrible. I was going to offer 300 Rubles just cause I didn't want to screw around. But still it took three gypsy cabs before one would accept the deal.
One of my favorite shows on the Russkii televisor is called такси (taxi). It's a kind of game show that takes place in a taxi. The host of the show is the driver and he picks up fares around Moscow. When he first stops to pick up someone, he has to pretend that he's a real taxi, so he goes through the process of agreeing on a fare. I love listening to how the native Muscovites haggle over 50 rubles, they are the masters of this.
On a clear, bright summer day, a native Muscovite would never pay more than 100 rubles for taxi fare within the Sadovaya. Maybe 200, if travelling all the way from one end to the other. Maximum 300 rubles beyond the Sadovaya.
Pizdyets' negotiating skills are much better than mine, mainly because I'm just too lazy to argue over an extra 100 rubles. So I pay 200/300/400. Unless, of course, it's midnight, in the middle of February and it's -30 and I'm standing in a foot of snow, then I might go to 500.
If you are only in town for a few days, don't speak Russian, have no idea where you are, or where you are going, then you will have to pay a big tourist premium. But paying a Moscow taxi driver 1,000 rubles for a short trip, really is just plain stupidity. All it will do is reinforce the idea in his mind that tourists will pay whatever he asks, and then guys like Pizdyets and myself will have to dis-abuse him of this notion all over again.
If a taxist in Moscow asks you for more than 500 rubles to go anywhere, just walk. Remember, every car in Moscow is a potential taxi and if one doesn't want your fare, it is almost certain that someone else will.
[QUOTE=Chercheur]Tochka 55° 53’ 09.01’’ N 37° 44’ 00.89’’ E
7500 p[/QUOTE]ThanK you for your response.
Do you know any other toshkas? How big is this one and how far from the center by driving?
[QUOTE=Toptraveler1]ThanK you for your response.
Do you know any other toshkas? How big is this one and how far from the center by driving?[/QUOTE]Just outside the MKAD big ring on Yaroslavl Road
Not so big, but a few other tochkas nearby
I have only been there at 7 pm; I would be interested to know what is going on there later in the evening
A taxi driver took me there, he does not speak English, but he understood what I wanted (through my poor Russian) and did negotiate for me. PM me if you want his phone number.
Does anybody know in which metro stations tochkas take places ?
[QUOTE=Champ Lover]As I am a newbie in this forum (I am a regular in one of the German forums, based in Frankfurt and mostly active in the Oase Club near Frankfurt), I apologize if this post is against forum rules, but Passepartout, would it be possible if you posted the adress of the saloon? Rusodug itself does not seem to have that information, and being challenged in the Russian language, I am a bit afraid at the moment, to call the saloon for their adress.
Thanks in advance,
CL[/QUOTE]
i don't know if I can do that. I tried to send you a PM but probably you didn't pay the fees.
Is anyone know if we can publish adresses or not?
[QUOTE=Passepartout]i don't know if I can do that. I tried to send you a PM but probably you didn't pay the fees.
Is anyone know if we can publish adresses or not?[/QUOTE]None of the websites publish addresses. There is a good reason for this: most salons and massage parlors simply aren't large enough to accommodate more than 3 or 4 customers at a time. If their address is made public, then they have no control over when customers arrive, and it can be a nightmare for them if too many men show up at the same time.
It's better for them, and better for you, to call first and let them know you are coming and when you plan to be there. I understand this is difficult for those who don't speak Russian, but I think it is not difficult to find someone to help. Taxi drivers are typically glad to make the call for you and get the address.
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]None of the websites publish addresses. There is a good reason for this: most salons and massage parlors simply aren't large enough to accommodate more than 3 or 4 customers at a time. If their address is made public, then they have no control over when customers arrive, and it can be a nightmare for them if too many men show up at the same time.
It's better for them, and better for you, to call first and let them know you are coming and when you plan to be there. I understand this is difficult for those who don't speak Russian, but I think it is not difficult to find someone to help. Taxi drivers are typically glad to make the call for you and get the address.[/QUOTE]In Buenos Aires, Jackson has published a list of the good privados (salons) with address and floor. You just go, ring the bell and they let you in. Very easy, great thanks to Jackson.
In Moscow and in Peter, it does not work this way: if you go there and ring the bell, they will not let you in, they want you to call first.
The taxi drivers will make the calls for you and they will be glad to take you there, even up to the apartment door if you ask them.
Most if not all of the taxi drivers do not speak any english. If you speak a little Russian, it is much easier to speak to them than to speak on the phone.
But if you speak no Russian at all, even if you make it to get there, in most of the salons the girls will not speak enough English for you to have a good time (IMHO). You'd better go to the english speaking salons, Charmed or Elite.
[QUOTE=Jake993]Of course you're talking about travel in Moscow during evening hours - right? I have found the that the fare DECIDEDLY goes up when the traffic gets bad.[/QUOTE]
Yes, that's true. But if I'm trying to get from A to B in rush hour, I'm probably heading to the metro, as it'll take you half the time, and 20 rubles is hard to beat. ;)
[QUOTE=Chercheur]Just outside the MKAD big ring on Yaroslavl Road
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There are a ton of tochki on Yaroslavka, but you'll find the same on any major road leading out of Moscow. Also bear in mind that they're constantly on the move, so GPS coordinates won't do you much good. Grab a taxi driver who you think you can trust and just go find them... it's not that difficult.
[QUOTE=Passepartout]I have been to saloon "5 stars" (piat sviesd") near kurskaya bokzal:
[url]http://www.rusdosug.com/salon.php?id=403[/url].[/QUOTE]
I have been again to that place.
Guys, please note that they speak some english and they are able to indicate to you the adress and code in english. It is located 200 meters from Hotdog. In the street, no need to go to the garden side, so it is really easy to find.
It's a funny place. As it is cheap, and girls are quite good looking, then, on a thursday night, at midnight, it was really crowded. So only 3 women left, I took a petite brunette with small firm breast and amazing blue eyes. Cost only 2500 RUR.
Like my previous experience, the BJ was stunning!! They should call this place 5 stars BJ saloon, really.
The girl was new in the saloon (at least this is what she told). Nice attitude.
I will become addict. I saw an asiat girl with big boobs, I must return soon!
[QUOTE=Chercheur]Just outside the MKAD big ring on Yaroslavl Road
Not so big, but a few other tochkas nearby
I have only been there at 7 pm; I would be interested to know what is going on there later in the evening
Does anybody know in which metro stations tochkas take places ?[/QUOTE]
Following this discussion, I decided to test for the first time Tochkas.
So, I took my car on the way to Yaroslavl (the name of the road is Yaroslavl chaussee).
It was very simple to find the diev and tochkis, and it was a LOT of fun, believe me.
So, It was on a friday night around 1 o clock in the morning. As soon as you quit Moscow (sign on the road saying that you are not in the city anymore), then the game starts. You will see on both parts of the roads tochkas (many cars, many people, lights), but as well girls alone or by 2 waiting on the side of the road. I think that all the game is concentrated on 10 kilometers starting from the exit of Moscow town.
After 10 or 15 kilometers I didn't see anything else.
So, I did one or two passage, just for the fun. Stop first at a woman working alone, looks great from distance but Ugly once you are closed to her. Price was 1500 RUR for full sex and BJ. I left.
then, I went to 1 totchkas, which was by the way the first I spotted coming from Moscow on the right side. It is a place with cafes and restaurant and many cars parked in front lights on.
You just park there and mamasan comes to speak with you (i stayed in the car). She indicated to me the list prices for the full night until morning:
- 6000 RUR
- then 8000 RUR
- Then 10 500 RUR
- Then 12 000 RUR
I answered to her: show every one, for sure, hey guys that's he funniest part I guess!
6000 RUR diev came, and they were all globins. First time in 2 years in Russia that I see so many ugly girls at the same place.
Then came the 8000 RUR. I didn't like too much, maybe one only, and the mamasan told me that she was really hot in bed - before I spoke I mean
Then she called the 10 500 , some of them were quite nice, but I wasn't really impressed... until a small brunetka with amazing blue eyes came, and then I decided to take her back home.
You pay the 10500 + the small gift for the mamasam = 11 000 RUR damages for 1 night.
Back home,no discussion at all in the car. By the way, Have to admit that the girl hate what she was doing, starting to explain that she had a daughter, and that she is doing this once a month just to get more money. Bullshit as usual, because 30 minutes later she told me that she worked as well for saloon and was on the internet sites...
BJ and sex mechanical, then a small bad massage and she left.
Honestly speaking, if the body was really the one I likes usually and if the girl was really beautiful, it was not a good experience, but that's the luck of the draw. It is clear that it is almost impossible to get some contacts with girls when you choose them.
there was in this totchka more than 50 girls, and she told me that I came very late for a friday night, there could have been up to 100 girls; and most of the beautiful ones were already taken by other customers.
I saw on the road some other totchkas with maybe 30/40 girls for each of them;that's an impressive spectacle, a lot of fun, and I am sure that next time I'll make a better choice. As usual, when you do something for the first time, you are impressed and do not make the best choice.
For a full night, I think that the price is correct.
All was in russian and you need a car, so I guess you'll need to take a taxi - 1000 RUR go and back should be enough.
Passepartout great report, I loved tochkas, fair price and with a bit of luck, you really get some gems, but go there early if you want to see top notch stuff.
If I am here in this forum it is cause the guy I met my first time in Moscow, read about tochkas here and he showed me how much fun it can be and how many nice girls are there, later I registered here.
Ca_T wrote many reports about tochkas, I am sure Doc Skank remembers him as well as I do :)
For me tochkas can be a great alternative option to privates in night time and much better alternative to NF or Hot Dog. ( But I have to try Aurora for sure too :) )
[QUOTE=Passepartout]I have been again to that place.
Guys, please note that they speak some english and they are able to indicate to you the adress and code in english. It is located 200 meters from Hotdog. In the street, no need to go to the garden side, so it is really easy to find.
It's a funny place. As it is cheap, and girls are quite good looking, then, on a thursday night, at midnight, it was really crowded. So only 3 women left, I took a petite brunette with small firm breast and amazing blue eyes. Cost only 2500 RUR.
Like my previous experience, the BJ was stunning!! They should call this place 5 stars BJ saloon, really.
The girl was new in the saloon (at least this is what she told). Nice attitude.
I will become addict. I saw an asiat girl with big boobs, I must return soon![/QUOTE]
Hello passepatout,
What is the address?
Regards a previous report that there is only one 911 club, please note indeed there is actually two. One is at 18/2 Petrovka, which is a road just heading North from near the Bolshoi Theatre. This is very central Moscow and easily walking distance from Tverskaya or similar.
The other 911 club is in the Korsten Hotel which is just a little distance SW (South West – not what you think) of city central, it is near Leninsky Metro.
911 Korsten is well worth a visit. The Hotel itself is a modern ginormus complex. I always felt safe within that Hotel. Somehow i dropped my wallet as i went through the swing doors and only realised 20 minutes later and was frantically searching my bag when a hotel staff member came and asked me what i was looking for? He took me to a office and i had to describe it and lo and behold they found it and gave it to me. Not a ruble was missing. I personally recommend this Hotel. They were telling me they had been heavily hit by the Casino ban, down a third in guests but they were diversifying.
The 911 club itself within the hotel is good, 3 floors of girls, they don't overly hit on and drinks are ok priced. There is 1 Ukraine brunnette with the most perfect body i have ever experienced. I returned a second night just for her. I don’t know if repeats is a good or bad habit yet. I adored and worshipped her. She can speak very little English, but it was fun translating. An African women will appear and aggressively intervene and demand to translate, I think she charges the girl 2000 rouble for translation.
I said no thank you but she’s aggressive. Then she asks me why I don’t go with her? And I can hear Ali G. saying “is it because I’m black?” and the simple answer is “no”, its because you’ve got all the subtlety of a sledgehammer. Apart from that it’s a very pleasant club, the bar staff are quite fun.
When I agreed on a 10,000 with the Ukraine girl (300 us) price, she came back after the African Girl had spoken to here and the price was now 12,000 roubles. I said no thank you, and she went away and came back and agreed again on 10,000 roubles. So beware.
Afterwards I went out of the club into the large Hotel bar area outside the entrance of the club. I had a drink at the bar and was sitting comfortably when this angel from heaven Lena happily came and sat beside me. God she had lovely personality and beautiful body. A variety of working girls work in the various Hotel bars on the ground floor. Lena was wonderful and I fell for her completely. I popped a C and said yes please. The hotel rooms were not available as they normally would be but we got rented the Sauna for 1 hour 3000 roubles on the top of the Hotel. 6000 r Lena, Sauna 3000 r. Its on the 22nd floor and has amazing views. It’s a large Sauna of many saunas and rooms. We played hide and seek for 5 minutes which was quite fun. We had a very good time. I got a tantric massage a while back and I did that with her and it was great to see her responses to that. Hotel Korsten is the second best hotel in the world. Number 1 is Hotel Vladivostok. I’ll do report on that hotel later. I will also do a report on
911 Petrovka which I had even better experiences in. Cheers Guys.
Adresse of 5 stars is:
Metro Kurskaya
Street: Bolshoi Kazennii Pereoulok.
For the rest (number of the street, code of door entrance), give them a call, on the 10/15 girls in the appartment, at least one will have a broken englidh, still enough to give to you the last details.
Leaving for Moscow next week to a fair, living close to the exhibition center. Is there any Escorts or brothels close to the center?
Passepartout
Couple of thoughts for a better Tochka experience.
No tip for the Mamasan. She is the one calling the cops staked out nearby describing your vehicle as you are leaving so you can bribe the cops to retain the girl that naturally has no papers.
Better to use the tip money for your Taxi driver. Have him take side streets initially and evade the police. It’s all part of the game and cheaper than a bribe.
Start much much earlier in your search.
Don’t hesitate to look at several Tochkas to find the right girl.
Shitty weather or a slow night? Ask for a discount or a special rate for two girls.
CT used to take a flashlight along and have the girls open their heavy winter coats for a look at the goods prior to purchase. Also helped indicate their attitudes, the less cooperative ones should be left alone.
I always leave a small tip visible to the girl next to the bed. Helps with performance.
Few things are as much fun as roaming Moscow at night in search of the Holy Grail of Pussy.
Guido88
[QUOTE=Lukasek]Passepartout great report, I loved tochkas, fair price and with a bit of luck, you really get some gems, but go there early if you want to see top notch stuff.
If I am here in this forum it is cause the guy I met my first time in Moscow, read about tochkas here and he showed me how much fun it can be and how many nice girls are there, later I registered here.
Ca_T wrote many reports about tochkas, I am sure Doc Skank remembers him as well as I do :)
For me tochkas can be a great alternative option to privates in night time and much better alternative to NF or Hot Dog. ( But I have to try Aurora for sure too :) )[/QUOTE]
Lukasek
I liked it a whole lot better when the “Top Notch Stuff” was only $75.00 a night.
Guido88
[QUOTE=Nickc]Korsten Hotel which is just a little distance SW (South West – not what you think) of city central, it is near Leninsky Metro.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the report Nickc. A large girl-friendly hotel with a good strip club on site and working girls at the bars sounds great!
Can you tell us what kind of room rates you got there ? ..has the area a bit of nightlife and drinking holes worth a visit ? ...what the cost of a taxi from city center at night ?
Thanks for the infos.
[QUOTE=Guido88]Lukasek
I liked it a whole lot better when the “Top Notch Stuff” was only $75.00 a night.
Guido88[/QUOTE]
Hi Guido88, welcome back ;)
The golden years that probably will never come back again.... I know, it could be enough if at least the price of accomodation were cheaper...
Reply to below questions.
"Can you tell us what kind of room rates you got there ? ..has the area a
bit of nightlife and drinking holes worth a visit ? ...what the cost of a taxi
from city center at night ?"
Hello Hello
I didn't stay there, but i guess there on the internet.
I stayed in a cheap hotel near Pushkin Square. Central Moscow.
PM me if you want details.
The nightlife and drinking holes are all within Korsten itself.
It is big blockbuster hotel covered in huge Neon.
The metro runs till 1:30. Metro there. A taxi home at the entrance is
800 -1000 roubles, walk 20 metres and a lada ride will cost 4 to 500 roubles.
Cheers
Nickc
[QUOTE=Nickc]Hello HelloI didn't stay there, but i guess there on the internet. [/QUOTE]
Thanks for the answer. Checked their site. They have promotional rates at 3800 RUB bft incl, which isn't bad.
I'm usually a proponent of apartment rentals in FSU, but with 911 and working girls on site, this hotel seems damn good !!
Hello Guys,
Im having my first trip to Moscow next week and staying at the Royal Meridien opposite Kremlin/Red Square.
Does anyone know if the Hotel is girl friendly or indeed if there will be ladies working in the Lobby etc?
Thanks in anticipation.
Frank
[QUOTE=Prosal]Thanks for the answer. Checked their site. They have promotional rates at 3800 RUB bft incl, which isn't bad.
I'm usually a proponent of apartment rentals in FSU, but with 911 and working girls on site, this hotel seems damn good !![/QUOTE]I've never been to Korston, but I have driven past it a few times. Before you make your reservations you might want to consider a few things;
Korston is a fair ways from the center of the city, in the vicinity of MGU.
It's not easy to get to. There are 2 metro stations nearby, but each is a good 800 to 1,000 meters away from the hotel: a nice walk on a summer's eve perhaps, but not something I would want to attempt at any other time.
It is on one side of a large divided boulevard, extremely dangerous to cross on foot, and can only be approached from one direction by car. Wandering around there in the wee hours of the morning is not a good idea.
As a mongering destination, its not a problem to get there and I'm sure it's worth the trip, but, if you are in Moscow for business and you need to move around the city quickly, it's not the best location. Better take a cheap hotel near Pushinskaya, as Nick did.
Of course, once your workday is done, it does have its benefits. :)
Thanks Guido for the advices.
As I wrote, it was my first experience, and all begginers do mistakes. Biggest one was to stay at the first stop even if I wasn't convinced.
Hi,
I'm in Moscow the first time of my life and stay in the Tatiana Hotel.
Any recommendations? I hadn't had a chance to rtfm and would be interested in bars close to my stay.
Cheers guys. Korsten transport and 911
I just use to catch the metro to Vorobiyovy Gory which is on the red line.
Its the first stop beside the river.
The club 911 opens at the unbelievable hour of 3 pm, so i just use to catch the metro at around 8 pm and get of with everyone else who just walk straight on up to the main road. The road is not to bad to cross and your there. Lots of people cross it.
Of course i did this at other times around midnight etc but i seem to safely get away with that kind of stuff. Moscow is safe, safer than St Petersburg anyway. But of course you do need to expect the unexpected if you know what i mean. Wear a black coat with the collar pulled up and everyone thinks your Russian ha!
If your gonna stay in the Hotel the working girls start around 9 pm.
If you meet a girl in 911 they have many rooms there quite nice but if you want to go back to your room remember you should subtract what you would pay for there room, which i'm not to sure what that is may 3000 to 4000 r.
Do the Sauna on the top floor as well. It has massive windows with stunning views. Also check out the top floor restuarant, that has even more stunning views. Its quite a classy place.
Cheers Nickc.
P.S. I'm back in early Feb if anyone whats to catch up.
Fellow mongers, would appreciate your help - been here 10 months and tired of the blondies.. Where can I find some pinoy pussy? Have been to most places in town but can't locate... Thank you all
[QUOTE=Passepartout]Thanks Guido for the advices.
As I wrote, it was my first experience, and all begginers do mistakes. Biggest one was to stay at the first stop even if I wasn't convinced.[/QUOTE]
Passeportout
No mistakes, only learning how to best maximize what Moscow has to offer.
As Lukasek pointed out Tochkas can be a great option.
Personally I have never been a fan of the Hot Dog aka Boarhouse. I have had much better experiences with Tochka girls that were gorgeous and fun to spend time with.
Does take some looking.
One last bit of advice: Negotiate clearly with the Mamasan what time the girl will stay until too. This will cut the BS of the fuck and run scam the girls seem to be specializing in. I ask that they stay until 7-8 am. If they are boring or a lousy lay you send them home early.
Sometimes things click and the girl is still with you the next evening.
Great thing about Moscow is you never know but always have plenty of options.
Best of luck
Guido88
[QUOTE=Transmuter]Hi,
I'm in Moscow the first time of my life and stay in the Tatiana Hotel.
Any recommendations? I hadn't had a chance to rtfm and would be interested in bars close to my stay.[/QUOTE]
What do you mean by close? Walking distance? If yes, I think that there is nothing.
By metro or taxi; it's a very short ride to go to Hotdog.
I had a good advisor by the name of Jake993.
Hot Dog is the destination of choice.
However, I always got quotes of $400, €300, Rubel 15k
Thats quite expensive if you don't know what you get.
I used to live in China quite a while and the rate is below €100 (somewhere way below). In Beijing there is a bar where Mongolian girls work and hey they provide that good service - you cannot believe.
So, why pay three times for what is not proven to be quality?
T
[QUOTE=Passepartout]What do you mean by close? Walking distance? If yes, I think that there is nothing.
By metro or taxi; it's a very short ride to go to Hotdog.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Franklawro]Hello Guys,
Im having my first trip to Moscow next week and staying at the Royal Meridien opposite Kremlin/Red Square.
Does anyone know if the Hotel is girl friendly or indeed if there will be ladies working in the Lobby etc?
Thanks in anticipation.
Frank[/QUOTE]
Yep it's the former and better known as National Hotel (one of the few western standard ones even in Soviet era)... for sure with a tip (1000 RUR) the hotel is girl friendly, but if you tke there a pro i think she will ask you 100 USD more ;) still one of the most expencive hotels in Moscow (apart the Ritz).
IT
As you well know I’m not seeking beauties, bit real pigs, and I think Moscow is still ne of the best places in the world…
By the way I’m trying to substitute Valentina my former anal queen (I gust post the link and one of the last photos done! She is not a beauty (specially in body) but never complaining while got missionary assfucked!
Unfortunately she is 27 now (if I do not remember wrong) still a great fuck, but so so in cum guzzling (look at the pic)… here is the link the pics are heavily photoshopped not on the face but on the body…
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=84772[/url]
And a pic with nearly no make up and photospping but some skin cream :D
Of course I’m seeking a lot of occasional on mamba… but I’m seeking a young pro too, possibly a cum guzzler too… :D to keep for some years as Valentina… of course I’ll give her a last treatment when getting in Moscow (maybe doing her sister together as I already did some times :p couples and sisters are one of my favourite hobbies have still to find the twins)
Somebody already nailed some of these… they seem all to fit my desires… ??? (not beauties, pigs, cum guzzlers in the 300 $/night class)
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=83113[/url]
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=84522[/url]
would be my two favorite choice …
and:
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=86193[/url]
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=83049[/url]
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=84513[/url]
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=83049[/url]
IT
PS I would go definitely for this one but she is far overpriced...
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=55726[/url]
IT,
Valentina seems to have more than a passing resemblance to Kirsten Dunst.
Does Spidey know you're porking his girlfriend? :)
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]IT,
Valentina seems to have more than a passing resemblance to Kirsten Dunst.
Does Spidey know you're porking his girlfriend? :)[/QUOTE]
Valentina talked on a kind of boyfriend.... but no idea... and unless i find a girl with better GFE (there Valentina is a 10, with me at least, she even invites me at dinner, or pays the bar...) I'll go on porking her :D :D :D
IT
PS I think I met her well before him or are you just joking (sorry for my poor English) ;)
IT,
Sorry, classical American reference. Spidey = Spiderman, as in the comic book hero. Kirstin Dunst plays the part of his girlfriend in the movie.
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]IT,
Sorry, classical American reference. Spidey = Spiderman, as in the comic book hero. Kirstin Dunst plays the part of his girlfriend in the movie.[/QUOTE]
No problem! but as European I'm far more close to British English than to American "contractions" (words to be shortened)... but still do not understand what you were meaning ;)
IT
[QUOTE=Transmuter]I had a good advisor by the name of Jake993.[/QUOTE]
You could do far worse for a shifu than Jake... he wise in ways of Moscow p4p.
[QUOTE]
Hot Dog is the destination of choice.
However, I always got quotes of $400, €300, Rubel 15k
[/QUOTE]
Of course the girls will start high. Heard of bargaining? Never pay more than 8K in HD, unless the girl is absolutely smokin' or you're asking for something extra (anal, group, swallow, etc)
[QUOTE]
I used to live in China quite a while and the rate is below €100 (somewhere way below). In Beijing there is a bar where Mongolian girls work and hey they provide that good service - you cannot believe.
[/QUOTE]
I [I]can[/I] believe, since I'm no stranger to Maggie's (or HardRock... or The Pig...). But to my taste, Slavic girls are far hotter than Mongolians (although I've admittedly had some pretty hot ones, especially the Russian/Mongolian mixes)
[QUOTE]
So, why pay three times for what is not proven to be quality?
[/QUOTE]
Um, cuz you weren't in Beijing?
Is it just me, or does mamba really suck lately? Dog to hottie ratio is atrocious, scammers everywhere, hookers masquerading as regular chicks in every other profile, etc. Really hot girls are so rare, and most are so jaded, their profiles have a 10 page disclaimer on what you must NOT be to write to them. Out of all the dates I've been on all week, the best looking girl was maybe 6.5 at best, and they were all dumb as rocks to boot.
I guess the latter is just the younger generation I'm now dating being the product of reduced public education standards under Putin or something, but fine, I don't choose them for their brains.
Anyway, I do see the same amount of hot chicks out in the streets of Moscow, so my question is, where's all the hot hot hot freebie action in town?
[QUOTE=One O Nine]Is it just me, or does mamba really suck lately? Dog to hottie ratio is atrocious, scammers everywhere, hookers masquerading as regular chicks in every other profile, etc. Really hot girls are so rare, and most are so jaded, their profiles have a 10 page disclaimer on what you must NOT be to write to them. Out of all the dates I've been on all week, the best looking girl was maybe 6.5 at best, and they were all dumb as rocks to boot.
I guess the latter is just the younger generation I'm now dating being the product of reduced public education standards under Putin or something, but fine, I don't choose them for their brains.
Anyway, I do see the same amount of hot chicks out in the streets of Moscow, so my question is, where's all the hot hot hot freebie action in town?[/QUOTE]
Odnoklassniki and vkontakte are crawling with hot normal chicks. You can pick any small town and find dozens. For example, on vkontakte Kursk has 36,000 girls with profiles, 3,000 of which are "actively searching" for a guy. You can search by age, too.
when you have millions of people on mamba it is normal that you will find everything there.
it seems the problem is that foreigners still think they just need to show up in moscow and there will be hundreds of hot girls to spread their legs for them.
they also think mamba will do it for them, that's why many girls on mamba clearly say they don't want foreigners to contact them.
also all those social sites in russia are often subject of fun in russian medias being labeled "place where people with no brain and poor social skills can try their luck". i remeber an ad from russian women magazine showing a hot chick dressed in suit, carying few books and few guys around her with title saying "smart girls don't use mamaba" he he.
latexian mentioned odnoklassniki and vkontakte which is ok. but problems is odnoklassniki is only in russian and vkontakte is poorly translated. keep in mind both of this sites are intended as a way for old school mates to keep in touch. registration is somehow complex since you must enter your school history, etc.
yes there are plenty of chicks but cenzorship is strong. no sexual content, naked photos, etc. there are always people who try this but their profiles are deleted within 24 hours. i use both sites as a way to stay in contact with my old school friends from soviet times but this is all.
kursk probably have all those girls there but the problem is many are just school girls and ****. and plus kursk is just a shit hole where not many will venture.
if you are foreigner, 50+ and think you can pick up hot 20 year old from odnoklassniki and vkontakte forget about it. how many of guys here is using it? maybe just a few. with all problems on mamba much better is to stay on it especially when plenty here is having more or less good results on it.
[QUOTE=One O Nine]Is it just me, or does mamba really suck lately? Dog to hottie ratio is atrocious, scammers everywhere, hookers masquerading as regular chicks in every other profile, etc. Really hot girls are so rare, and most are so jaded, their profiles have a 10 page disclaimer on what you must NOT be to write to them. Out of all the dates I've been on all week, the best looking girl was maybe 6.5 at best, and they were all dumb as rocks to boot.
[/QUOTE]
I can relate. I've tried mamba a few times over the past year and not one fucking time with good results (or more accurately, not one good time with fucking results). I always chalked it up to general laziness on my part, or some fatal flaw in my approach, since I've seen friends (including our very own Doc Skank) mow 'em over using it. By my own admission, I'm a decent looking guy with good income and more than a modicum of style. And I'm more than conversant in Russian. So you'd figure there'd be virtual gypsy-cabfulls of receptive deffki out there in cyber-candyland wanting to "poznakomitsya". But rather, I find that all my non-pro "hits" are uglies, oldies or fatties (or combos thereof). Being technologically oriented, I'd love to brag that computers were bringing me more pussy, but the fact of the matter is that my pickup methods are 100% luddite-friendly: hookups through friends/acquaintances and hitting the bars/clubs.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets].. I find that all my non-pro "hits" are uglies, oldies or fatties (or combos thereof) ..[/QUOTE]
Young, cute but a little bit chubby can be quite nice. Also a little older but great body and face is not to be sniffed at. What about fantastic body and ugly face - the classic paper bag job? That's always a possibility depending on your mood, though I guess the paper bag has to be paid for in the FSU. As for young, fat and not very pretty - well, she will be glad for any attention she gets, work very hard for you in the cot and will probably pay you for the privilege. Old, fat, ugly? Well, she's probably the dezhurnaya and as you know you gotta keep these women happy.
So, as you can see, you have quite a lot to work with there.
[QUOTE=Ash1001]Young, cute but a little bit chubby can be quite nice. Also a little older but great body and face is not to be sniffed at. What about fantastic body and ugly face - the classic paper bag job? That's always a possibility depending on your mood, though I guess the paper bag has to be paid for in the FSU. As for young, fat and not very pretty - well, she will be glad for any attention she gets, work very hard for you in the cot and will probably pay you for the privilege. Old, fat, ugly? Well, she's probably the dezhurnaya and as you know you gotta keep these women happy.
So, as you can see, you have quite a lot to work with there.[/QUOTE]
I get your point, and I'm not a 10-chaser like I used to be way-back when I moved here. The 10s (and most 9s for that matter) are just too much work for me now. These days, I'm perfectly happy with a 7 or 8 face+body and a nice, positive, low-maintenance personality. Certainly they're on mamba too, but I'm just not meeting them...
Hello,
Could anyone suggest 2 or 3 respectable escort agency in Moscow?
Thanks for the help since now.
I've had good success with Omen and Mamba sites over the past few years, but as others have pointed out both have gone south recently. Actually it could be a good economic indicator. Both had an uptick in supply (at reduced asking prices) during the crisis, now supply has dwindled and prices are back up. Tell your investor friends this is a sure indication that the crisis is over!
I've been looking at other sites. I speak enough Russian to get by. Odnoklassniki and Vkontakte are too much work for a foreigner in Moscow. Not really set up for fishing, more like Facebook and Classmates dot com. Dating. Ru looks like it has plenty of members. I'm curious if anyone has experience there, or other local non-pro or semi-pro sites?
Interesting handle...
Bolshaya shishka, "big pine cone"???
[i]Шишки собирает, песенки поёт[/i]
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Interesting handle...
Bolshaya shishka, "big pine cone"???
[i]Шишки собирает, песенки поёт[/i][/QUOTE]Exactly. Has the same meaning as "la grande fromage" (the big cheese) in French. It's one of several slang or idiomatic phrases that always gets a laugh and helps break the ice for me, as the locals, who aren't used to hearing their language spoken by foreigners very much anyway, really don't expect funny idioms (not mat) from someone who otherwise speaks barely intermediate Russian.
[QUOTE=Bolshaya Shishka]Exactly. Has the same meaning as "la grande fromage" (the big cheese) in French. It's one of several slang or idiomatic phrases that always gets a laugh and helps break the ice for me, as the locals, who aren't used to hearing their language spoken by foreigners very much anyway, really don't expect funny idioms (not mat) from someone who otherwise speaks barely intermediate Russian.[/QUOTE]
The "Big Cheese" is an English expression.
The French say "Grande Legume" (the big vegetable) - at least in Quebec, don't know about France.
It is just another example of the superior logic and language skills of the English.
"Big Cheese" is a perfectly clear and intuitively logical way to describe a leader,
whereas "Big Vegetable" is just a silly meaningless expression.
[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]The "Big Cheese" is an English expression.
The French say "Grande Legume" - at least in Quebec, don't know about France.[/QUOTE]"The Big Vegetable" (grande legume) is even funnier.
Back to the point, I'm still curious about the site dating. Ru, if anyone has any experience.
Re: Mamba, it's definitely chaotic, filled with more scams and bait and switch ads these days, and lures with fake pictures to salons (the most giveaway. In addition to photos uploaded in the last 24 hours. Are the profiles which say the phone number is in the "diary" section. They may be real salons, but you can find them much more easily on their own websites). One consistently target rich area there are recent divorcees. There are lots of them, many stuck at home with a kid, some looking for a new man quickly, many just looking for some attention. For many with young kids it's difficult for them to get out for dates. I've had the most luck with women in their 30's, with teenage kids in university or at least old enough to take care of themselves. Many very nice, not jaded or pros. I've made some friends this way, improved my Russian, even started some nice hook-ups, although if you don't want to be a total dog you have to be careful to make sure they aren't too desperate for the next muzh (husband), which many are, and can get very melodramatic (the Russians rule the world in melodrama) very quickly.
[QUOTE=Bolshaya Shishka]One consistently target rich area there are recent divorcees. There are lots of them, many stuck at home with a kid, some looking for a new man quickly, many just looking for some attention. For many with young kids it's difficult for them to get out for dates. I've had the most luck with women in their 30's, with teenage kids in university or at least old enough to take care of themselves. Many very nice, not jaded or pros. I've made some friends this way, improved my Russian, even started some nice hook-ups, although if you don't want to be a total dog you have to be careful to make sure they aren't too desperate for the next muzh (husband), which many are, and can get very melodramatic (the Russians rule the world in melodrama) very quickly.[/QUOTE]I think you have hit upon one of the single most important (and under-exploited) groups of Russian women: 30-something single moms. Unlike their younger, single, counterparts, they are not spoiled, petulant, conniving and skittish. Of course, they may not have those taut, toned bodies that we all lust after, but some of them are [i]very[/i] well preserved and they have 1 important quality that young dyeffki have yet to acquire.
They can be very, [i]very[/i] grateful. :)
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]I think you have hit upon one of the single most important (and under-exploited) groups of Russian women: 30-something single moms. Unlike their younger, single, counterparts, they are not spoiled, petulant, conniving and skittish. Of course, they may not have those taut, toned bodies that we all lust after, but some of them are [i]very[/i] well preserved and they have 1 important quality that young dyeffki have yet to acquire.
They can be very, [i]very[/i] grateful. :)[/QUOTE]
Now you're talking...
Evening all
Regards mamba Russian women 30 + I took it one step further, I married one. Not from mamba but from another site. Shes a good women with 7 year old son. I just thought why not. I was in a position to help. I expected nothing in return. We lived together 2 years till they got residency. I even helped them set up home elsewhere. Shes a good friend. It wasn’t all plane sailing at first but we got there. My commitment was just as a friend. And before you start saying “why did you do that for?”. I now have a good 9 yr old son whom I look after on weekends and holidays. They now both have a life in Kiwi land, a very different life from where they came from. It was fun seeing there shock at first at how different things are here, and then seeing them come out of their shells. Of course I carried on with my love affairs of other women of the working variety. What can I say, I love those women too. Its not something I’ld recommend for all, you really need to be in a good position, home, job etc etc and able to commit to a friendship long term, able to see out difficulties etc. It was great to give something back
And I sure learnt a lot about myself. Anyway there you go, what can I say, that’s my 2 cents worth.
Try not to criticise me to much. Over and out. Nickc.
Nick,
Молодец! Excellently well done.
[QUOTE=Bolshaya Shishka]One consistently target rich area there are recent divorcees. There are lots of them, many stuck at home with a kid, some looking for a new man quickly, many just looking for some attention. For many with young kids it's difficult for them to get out for dates. I've had the most luck with women in their 30's, with teenage kids in university or at least old enough to take care of themselves. Many very nice, not jaded or pros.[/QUOTE]
I'm glad somebody raised this point, because I have been feeling very much in the minority. In one of the other forums there are constant rants against women with children, yet I have always felt that they are an excellent market, especially for older guys (50+) like me. Plus you don't have to spend a lot of time in night-clubs, which I did not enjoy, even when I was young. And now feel fairly ridiculous doing.
Of course it is wonderful to be able to fuck tight-bodied 20-somethings, but realistically it is very difficult for older guys to find freebies like that and P4P has its limitations. But after 30, these girls come onto the market for guys like me and even if P4P or semi-sponsorship there can be the illusion of GFE. When dating these women I can imagine having a beautiful buxom blonde as a real regular girlfriend or wife. And if you are doing something like taking her on a trip or something, it is more credible that she is your real, voluntary partner - if that is important, and sometimes it is for me.
When I first started hunting in EE I was contemplating divorce and was a little more serious about finding an EE mate. In which case I felt that a woman with a child was a very good prospect, so long as the kid was fairly young or nearly independent. Most women will do almost anything to protect/provide for her children. To raise her kids somewhere where her son is not subject to dangerous compulsory military service in Chechnya and her daughter won't have to peddle her ass to pay the rent.
At that stage they tend to shift focus from cool guys (which I never really was) and bad boys to steady providers and good fathers - which I am. So blowing a guy morning and night in order to provide a safe harbour for her children is a price many EE women would willingly pay. And I like kids, so raising a nice little EE girl (pre-screened for FAS) as my own would not be a huge burden, so long as the wifely pleasures were delivered in full measure. And it means that she is committed for the next 10 years, until the kid is grown, after which she is too old to move on to greener pastures. For that kind of arrangement an age difference of 10-15 years is entirely possible - but much more difficult if fishing in North American waters (but not impossible, it seems to be a buyers market for divorced men). In the end, I did not take the plunge, and maybe the opportunity has passed, but it seemed like a realistic option at the time.
I know Bez and others will chime in with - "they age in dog-years after 25." And there is something in that.
But once a woman is a few years past childbirth the most dramatic changes will already have happened. If she is still fit and sexy and sexual as a 30-something MILF, then the odds are that she will continue to be attractive, relative to my aging expectations. This is preferable to having, as a partner, a barren 30-something woman who is still (maybe secretly) longing for kids. At 60, having a 40-something woman who is still very attractive, but knows that she is no longer young, could be a very stable and happy arrangement.
GT,
An excellent, considered, lucid and persuasive argument. Not sure why anyone would complain about single moms, fucking MILFs is an honorable occupation.
[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]I know Bez and others will chime in with - "they age in dog-years after 25."[/QUOTE]This is not [i]entirely[/i] true. Slavic women [i]appear[/i] to age in dog years, but, in eastern Europe, the aging process is due almost exclusively to cultural and environmental factors. There is nothing about the Slavic gene pool that makes this process inevitable.
I have met many 30-something (and 20-something) slavic MILFs here in the U.S. and invariably, they are clearly in far better shape than young American women here in their 20's (and even teens). There are several reasons for this;
Slavic women have the [b]desire[/b] to look good. Most women here in the U.S. do not. They consider any effort to attract men to be a capitulation to the sexist male patriarchy.
Slavic women [b]know how[/b] to look good. Women are not born with the skill to attract men, it's learned behavior, typically from their mothers or other female mentors. Most American women (outside of NY, LA, SF, or maybe Miami) have a fashion sense that is influenced primarily by shopping with their mothers at Target and Walmart.
In America, Slavic women [b]have the resources[/b] to look good; beauty salons, hair dressers, fitness clubs, athletic activities, clean air and water (relatively) and healthy diet (if they choose).
In America, they have the [b]time[/b] to look good. And that's the most important part: time. It takes a lot of time and effort for any woman to look good, past the age of 25, anyway.
In short, when Slavic women have all the advantages of a modern western society, they actually surpass the native population in their looks. And that's basically a matter of genetics.
[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]I'm glad somebody raised this point, because I have been feeling very much in the minority. In one of the other forums there are constant rants against women with children, yet I have always felt that they are an excellent market, especially for older guys (50+) like me. Plus you don't have to spend a lot of time in night-clubs, which I did not enjoy, even when I was young. And now feel fairly ridiculous doing.
When I first started hunting in EE I was contemplating divorce and was a little more serious about finding an EE mate. In which case I felt that a woman with a child was a very good prospect, so long as the kid was fairly young or nearly independent. Most women will do almost anything to protect/provide for her children.
At that stage they tend to shift focus from cool guys (which I never really was) and bad boys to steady providers and good fathers. Which I am. So blowing a guy morning and night in order to provide a safe harbour for her children is a price many EE women would willingly pay. And I like kids, so raising a nice little EE girl (pre-screened for FAS) as my own would not be a huge burden, so long as the wifely pleasures were delivered in full measure. And it means that she is committed for the next 10 years, until the kid is grown, after which she is too old to move on to greener pastures. For that kind of arrangement an age difference of 10-15 years is entirely possible. But much more difficult if fishing in North American waters (but not impossible, it seems to be a buyers market for divorced men). In the end, I did not take the plunge, and maybe the opportunity has passed, but it seemed like a realistic option at the time."[/quote]Very nice point of view, GT. Our situations are similar. Although sometimes when I have the energy and urge to prove (mostly to myself) that that the old soldier's still got some fight left in him I'll venture out to the clubs na rybalku (basically fishing. Apologies for mixed metaphor). In Russia and Ukraine at least (the only EE places where I have experience) I find that the age difference (I'm 50 and change now) doesn't matter nearly as much as in the US or Western Europe. Of course, from the majority of studentkas and young 20-somethings, especially in groups, I get very little response on the radar, but it's not a great majority, with plenty of candidates either fortune hunting (I try to avoid those, or snare the more nakedly ambitions and gullible ones just for fun only to disappoint them after one night), or with father issues, which many seem to have for good reason (with so many local fathers abandoning families it's not hard to paint the psychological picture), much to our cynical but hedonistic benefit. But still, that's only occasionally, does require long evenings and many rounds of adult beverages, deadly amounts of secondary smoke, shouting over music, and some effort to make sure your colleagues don't find out, if they otherwise think you're respectable.
I applaud Nickc. Very nice story. I almost did the same thing, until a 4 month relationship (long for me) with a gorgeous, delightful and interesting single Mom (long for me, but really nice) ended with a shocking surprise. I'll write more later when I have some time. Stay tuned.
[quote=gentleman travel]
i know bez will chime in with - "they age in dog-years after 25."
if she is still fit and sexy and sexual as a 30-something milf, then the odds are that she will continue to be attractive, relative to aging expectations.
[/quote]
for milf fans and lovers, the only thing i've ever said is, at this stage, unless i should meet one that i fancy, you may keep them all for yourselves.
100% of my available time is occupied with 19 y.o. institute students to have any time for anything else.
as far as how milf's age after 25, i've never made any comments regarding them, and i never would.
why would i?
i'm not even interested in moms that are 20!
i don't disagree with any of your ideas, they all make good sense.
on the other hand, i've come to the conclusion that no slavic women will ever care about a non-slavic man, they only trust their own kind, and even that is rare.
to me, the bottom line is that all the heart you might think they have, all the caring, is nothing more than sexual passion, beyond that, they will never care about you. any attempt at kindness on our part, or any attempts to treat them well or nicely is a fool's errand. to them, its nothing more than a sign of weakness.
they are genetically tuned for centuries to being treated like peasant servants, and god bless russian guys for not turning soft like western losers.
during the ussr, nobody had any rights or equality, including women. they could be arrested, raped, or executed at any time for no reason at all. you think their instincts for survival have gone 180 degrees in only one generation??????
maybe you can soften them up for the kill to get from introduction to sex, but after that, if you treat them any better than a russian guy would, you are a total and complete fool. they will never care about you. they are all the same, every one. to them its a game to play. honesty is not in their dna.
po glazam tselka, po pizde, blyad!
don't try to say i'm angry, pissed off, or what ever. its no big deal. its simply a fact, no more, no less.
Bez,
What you [b]don't[/b] know about Slavic women could fill a book.
Come to think of it, it already does... :)
[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra] I've come to the conclusion that no slavic women will ever care about a non-slavic man, they only trust their own kind, and even that is rare.... To me, the bottom line is that all the heart you might think they have, all the caring, is nothing more than sexual passion, beyond that, they will never care about you. Any attempt at kindness on our part, or any attempts to treat them well or nicely is a fool's errand. To them, its nothing more than a sign of weakness ...[/QUOTE]
Hey Bez, thanks for your words of warning,
I am now dating a 30ish russian MILF. Actually she is half Russian and half Kazakh. She is divorced and has been living in Germany for 10 years.
For the moment she is extremely kind and passionate, but I can already sense the hard mind when I fail to give news for a few days.
So you position is that I should be prepared to dump her like a Russian slave peasant if she displeases me ?
Regards.
B.B.
Be careful BB if you dump her maybe she'll pay 100 Euro to some russian mobster in Germany to break your legs he he.
[QUOTE=Bimbo Boy]
Hey Bez, should I prepare to dump her like a slave if she displeases me ?
[/QUOTE]
I also never inferred they are slaves or should be treated as such.
But if you think about it, 99% of russian women are with russian men. So the treatment they receive from these men is basically the standard they expect are are accustomed to, for better or worse.
Why in hell should we, as non-russians, including Stravinsky, act differently?
There are numerous contributing ISG mongers, that I won't identify, who are currently married to russian women, but they don't hesitate to fuck ANY other pussy they can get their dicks into, despite the fact they love their russian wives, and provided these OTHER women meet their standard of quality and/or how inebriated the members might just happen to be.
On the other hand, did I go way too far in my over-generalizations? Of course!
I'm sure there are many many wonderful ladies out there, making many men happier than their wildest dreams.
Am I one of them, nah!
Bez is bitter and broke and a malcontent whose lost his touch, his livelihood, and even his libido.
But that still doesn't change the fact that no good wanna be wh0res like the one that K-grad-visiting One o Nine paid for under totally false pretenses are out there everywhere, just waiting for the next sucker-monger to pony up our dengi, only so they can cock-block us into oblivion!
Well anyway, to answer BimboBob, the whole point is, dumping her shouldn't even be connected to her behavior, there should simply never even be an occasion for your woman to displease you. She should already know that displeasing you isn't an option, and therefore not a reason for you dumping her.
There must be a million other reasons for that.
[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]
There are numerous contributing ISG mongers, that I won't identify, who are currently married to russian women, but they don't hesitate to fuck ANY other pussy they can get their dicks into, despite the fact they love their russian wives, and provided these OTHER women meet their standard of quality and/or how inebriated the members might just happen to be.
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99% of russian women are with russian men.
In Russia there's an old proverb saying "Get a cow and a spouse from your own area". It's still widely used among Russians.
Most don't know something about russian women.
If there's stability in the marriage, like no financial problems, no drinking problem, no wife and child abuse, many russian women will have no problem if their husband is banging another women. Screwing around is national sport among russian men anyway. Russian wife will tolerate her husband screwing around but he must not do two things:
1. No ideas of leaving his family for another woman.
2. No giving his money to another woman.
P4P is tolerated as business but problem is if husband start supporting another woman especially if she has children. Typical russian wife will not allow money from her family to go to another. There are many cases in Russia when a woman attacks or even kill another woman because "she wanted to steal my husband and break my family". So most probably those ISG mongers have a green light from their russian wives no matter what they say. For Russians sex and love are two different things.
One example. Several years ago I was a guest at the russian wedding. At one one point according to the custom a bride should say something to her husband and his family. The bride said that after few years of marriage the husband can screw around but if he decide to leave her shel'll cut his balls. Everybody applauded her.
I would say that sounds quite displeasing.
How apropos for your new bride to be applauded by the guests for approving your infidelity and promising your castration at your wedding!
"Do you take this bride, NOT to forsake all others, to castrate you?"
"I do!"
God bless the Motherland!
What's the divorce rate?
Single mothers rare too.
Of course, 99% of Russian women, in Russia, are with Russian men. Who else would they be with? But what about the 10's of 1000's of Russian women who left Russia and are now with European, American and even Asian men? Given the fact that there are about 500K fewer Russians every year, they may very well be the saviours of the Slavic race someday.
[QUOTE=Kurenda]Most don't know something about russian women.
If there's stability in the marriage, like no financial problems, no drinking problem, no wife and child abuse, many russian women will have no problem if their husband is banging another women. Screwing around is national sport among russian men anyway. Russian wife will tolerate her husband screwing around but he must not do two things:
1. No ideas of leaving his family for another woman.
2. No giving his money to another woman.[/QUOTE]I think your observation is absolutely correct, but my interpretation of No. 2 is a little different from yours.
Obviously, if a married Russian man has got another girl friend, he will have to be spending money on her somehow, even if he's just buying her gifts. Most Russian wives understand this and will tolerate it up to a point, as long as the wife is getting [b]more[/b] money than the girlfriend. But, if a Russian wife should ever find out that her hubby is spending more money on his girlfriend than on his wife and family, that's the time to hide the kitchen knives.
[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]There are numerous contributing ISG mongers, that I won't identify, who are currently married to russian women, but they don't hesitate to fuck ANY other pussy they can get their dicks into, despite the fact they love their russian wives[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Kurenda]So most probably those ISG mongers have a green light from their russian wives no matter what they say. For Russians sex and love are two different things.[/QUOTE]Точно! (exactly) Probably why they married Russian women in the first place! :D
A threesome with my girlfriend in Moscow?
Interested?
[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra] ... Well anyway, to answer BimboBob, the whole point is, dumping her shouldn't even be connected to her behavior, there should simply never even be an occasion for your woman to displease you. She should already know that displeasing you isn't an option, and therefore not a reason for you dumping her. ... etc [/QUOTE]
I have on the one side a Brazilian girlfriend that is ready to rip my eyes off if I just look at another woman, and on the other side a Russian girlfriend who is ready to cut my balls off if I go away.
Will I be left with no balls?
It is fun to live dangerously!
Regards.
B.B.
Strav, yes 10's of 1000's of Russian women. But no body in Russia counts on them anymore especially if they have foreign citizenship. They can come to Russia as tourists and no body sees them as saviours of the Slavic race. Where they will save Slavic race? In Asia giving birth to mixed children?
Russia already have the plan for that. Many Russians will leave - in my opinion it's good. Many times when I speak with my russian friends I tell them that Russia will be much better country if the population is like 50 million less.
Russia is "stealing" population from Ukraine. Last year Russia introduced new law on citizenship which says if a person was born during soviet times in territory of today's Russia he/she can apply for russian citizenship and settle in Russia. The same goes for children of the the person but not spouse. Last year more than 200 000 Ukrainians left for Russia this year and this year there are more than 400 000 applicants. Those Ukrainians can not settle where they want but where russian government sents them. For obvious it's not Moscow or StP but provincial towns. Ukrainian government is pissed about this but there's not much they can do.
About russian man spending money on their girlfriends there's limit to this. The girlfriend can get a present for a birthday. For 8th March both wife and girlfriend will get flowers and candy box but wife can also get a new washing machine. If the girlfriend gets new washing machine this is a problem.
As for our ISG monger friends married to russian women while they do their mongering fun I'm sure their russian wifes are not keeping their legs crossed either.
Bez in Russia divorce rate is 80%. All new marriages get divorced within 3 years. Russia, Belarus and Ukraine are countries with highest divorce rate in the world.
[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]
To me, the bottom line is that all the heart you might think they have, all the caring, is nothing more than sexual passion, beyond that, they will never care about you. Any attempt at kindness on our part, or any attempts to treat them well or nicely is a fool's errand. To them, its nothing more than a sign of weakness.
They are genetically tuned for centuries to being treated like peasant servants, and god bless russian guys for not turning soft like western losers.
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As someone who confesses interest only in girls just out of grade school, I'm not sure how you justify your generalizations here, Bezzie. After all, the original topic was on women, not teenagers. Arm chair QBing?
As for foreigners cheating on their Russian wives, I'd be so bold as to say that they do so less often than Russian men cheat on their own wives. But... statistically speaking, world-wide, the majority of men cheat on their wives. So, the point is?
yes, i completely agree with you. that was my same conclusion of years ago.
yes, it is stupid to be honest with those girls and women, but what can we do otherwise?
since i know that, i have always tried to explain cheats and tricks to western audience in order to avoid fatal mistakes, but everything was unuseful.
and it is worse when slavics come to western countries: they use our own feminist systems better than our women.
unfortunately the truth is what an ukrainian said to me: we are crazy girls, just sexual objects, interested in enjoing life ang getting a western passport.
[quote=bez bezarra]for milf fans and lovers, the only thing i've ever said is, at this stage, unless i should meet one that i fancy, you may keep them all for yourselves.
100% of my available time is occupied with 19 y.o. institute students to have any time for anything else.
as far as how milf's age after 25, i've never made any comments regarding them, and i never would.
why would i?
i'm not even interested in moms that are 20!
i don't disagree with any of your ideas, they all make good sense.
on the other hand, i've come to the conclusion that no slavic women will ever care about a non-slavic man, they only trust their own kind, and even that is rare.
to me, the bottom line is that all the heart you might think they have, all the caring, is nothing more than sexual passion, beyond that, they will never care about you. any attempt at kindness on our part, or any attempts to treat them well or nicely is a fool's errand. to them, its nothing more than a sign of weakness.
they are genetically tuned for centuries to being treated like peasant servants, and god bless russian guys for not turning soft like western losers.
during the ussr, nobody had any rights or equality, including women. they could be arrested, raped, or executed at any time for no reason at all. you think their instincts for survival have gone 180 degrees in only one generation??????
maybe you can soften them up for the kill to get from introduction to sex, but after that, if you treat them any better than a russian guy would, you are a total and complete fool. they will never care about you. they are all the same, every one. to them its a game to play. honesty is not in their dna.
po glazam tselka, po pizde, blyad!
don't try to say i'm angry, pissed off, or what ever. its no big deal. its simply a fact, no more, no less.[/quote]
Well, as usual, I regret starting some controversy. I really wasn't trying to include Russian wives or mothers, I think I did actually say that I had no interest or knowledge of either.
My point was directed at all those maladoy dyevs that start out so hot and heavy and in the end go icy without explanation, not that I would understand what their reasons are anyway.
Always seems that when they show me appreciation for any extras I do for them, its just pretense. But I do it anyway, and am always surprised when they flip.
Since I have no experience with wives or MILF's, I wasn't trying to include them in my "don't trust them" rant, so I have no clue why GT expected me to chime in about how they age quickly after 25 years.
In trying to illustrate how dyevs can't be trusted, I went too far to say that EVERY woman out there should be included with the ones I know, I was really trying to say that I blame myself for not treating dyevs the way russian men do.
I shouldn't say anything about members, but to claim that anyone here has the moral high ground is absurd hypocrisy.
To say that russian trust is BASED on infidelity, supports my entire point, that the russian standard of honesty in relationships is non-existent. Therefore, for foreigners, we should expect even less, and simultaneously act accordingly as russian guys do.
[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]To say that russian trust is BASED on infidelity, supports my entire point, that the russian standard of honesty in relationships is non-existent.[/QUOTE]Bez,
Have you been disappointed in Love? :)
You're trying to understand Russians from an American perspective, and that will always confound you.
The Russian standard of honesty (between men and women) is, "Yes, you're a man, and you like women (дай Бог, because if you [b]didn't[/b] like women, there wouldn't be anything for me to do), and I understand it's only natural for you to look at other women and desire other women and act on those desires... occasionally. If you didn't do that, you wouldn't be a man. And that's what I want, a man. Just be sure that your actions don't threaten our family, or embarrass me or our children."
I think that's true honesty. Unlike the Puritanical approach we take in the U.S., where wives hire 19 y.o. bimbos to drop their panties, spread their legs and scream, "Fuck me, fuck me!" in front of their husbands or boyfriends and are then shocked, shocked to discover that their SO's, well, fucked them.
As for those 19-year-old styudentki, those sleek calves and hairless thighs can come with a pretty high price. If you're tired of the emotional roller-coaster of the molodyonki, why not try a real woman some time?
Who knows, you might learn something. ;)
What's love got to do with it?
You suggest I try a real woman, well I DID exactly as you suggested.
Since I had extra time on my last trip, I agreed to meet up a 25 year old lady for tea, a blondink, normal average looking type. She had two glasses of wine, then she was ready for some Bez action.
Rather than telling her like I usually do, that I'm not interested, and since she was quite interested in me, I thought perhaps that I would give her one for the cause, and then allow her to introduce me to her younger girlfriends, she spoke english well enough to understand that we could be quick friends after the fact.
So to you Strav, let's just say that I laid back on the couch with my head propped up, to get a good view of how she very professionally processed me from beginning to end, like I was nothing more than a piece of meat to be prepared, pressed, squeezed, and drained of its essence.
That is, she did me one-leg standing cowgirl, then stood up and casually dismounted, as emotionless as a robot stuffing sausages in a factory.
You suggested that I would learn something from this.
I learned that I should have gone with my instinct, and turned her down, like I always do when they're over 19.
Why can't you accept that we all don't like the same thing, and that it would really be boring if we did?
OK, so you ran into this dyevchonka who performs mechanical sex. This is a revelation to you?
Your point being, what...?
Bezie on the one hand you say
= “I've come to the conclusion that no slavic women will ever care about a non-slavic man, they only trust their own kind, and even that is rare.” =
And when someone responds you tell us
= “I really wasn't trying to include Russian wives or mothers” =
Bez! Go stand in the corner for 5 minutes then come and show us how intellingent you really are.
Regards your comment
= “To me, the bottom line is that all the heart you might think they have, all the caring, is ‘nothing more than sexual passion’, beyond that, they will never care about you. Any attempt at kindness on our part, or any attempts to treat them well or nicely is a fool's errand. To them, its nothing more than a sign of weakness.” =
“Nothing more than sexual passion” ????? what do you mean ? whats wrong with sexual passion being expressed ? in a variety of ways ? with heart and caring ?
I do love these women, I get down on my knees and ‘Thank the Lord for these women’ they are my angels from Heaven. In fact when I die and go to Heaven it will be at Hotel Vladivostok (I will get around to writing that report I promise)
Prehaps theres another reason why women respond differently to some people.
No-ones taking the moral high ground here, forget that argument/excuse.
You throw of at the mouth, so what do you expect.
Make that 10 minutes in the corner ) and don’t sulk either,
then show us some thought.
Love ya Nickc
[QUOTE=Nickc]
“Nothing more than sexual passion” ????? what do you mean ? whats wrong with sexual passion being expressed ? in a variety of ways ? with heart and caring ?
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You are really missing the perverbial boat amigo!
God, its draining to keep re-teaching you's guys the lessons of mongering, but I'll soldier on and lay it out for you AGAIN.
When I said the dyevs don't trust us and only feign caring about us, Strav and Krugerenda did amend that by adding that ruski wives accept unfaithfulness and ruski husbands go to sleep knowing they can wake up with their balls in a meatgrinder.
Ok all fine and dandy, but for the last time, I was ONLY referring to all those young styudenkas who I spoiled and then got burned by in the end. That's it!
I love them too, pal. You may get on your knees, but Bez gets all the way on the floor, so's they can squat way down and get my tongue up to their cervixes.
To explain, again for the last time, about passion, what I mean is that, when you've only been together for a week or even a few days, and they give us the full on GFE and get all cozy and act like they are glued to your neck, and WE start feeling something more than lust, ITS A SHAM, ITS A SCAM, IT AINT NOTHING, ITS BOGUS. DON'T FALL FOR THAT SHIT, IF YOU DO, YOU'RE A GOD DAMN FOOL.
Why? That's easy. Russian guys don't get all gooey, they treat their girlfriends the right way, like ok, you're here today because I like you today so I'll LET her have my cock, but just remember, I might want a new girl tomorrow, so she had better be my little peasant servant sextoy, OR ELSE!! They expect it and demand nothing less, and don't blink an eye to move on the next girl. To them, spoiling their girlfriend is to buy them a beer!
That's what I mean about sex passion, I'm not against it or complaining about it. But when they get all sweet on you, its NOT because they care, its just leftover emotion from the heavy sex. Because in the end, in the long run, they slam the door shut, EVERY TIME. Why? Who fucking knows, but for sure, its because THEY never really cared to begin with, get it???? You just thought they did, BUT YOU WERE WRONG. It was only sex passion.
Now you or anyone can argue that, but this is MY perspective after 20 years of homeland mongering spinner-tramps-in-training and now 10 years of EE mongering and +100 GFE's, and also, take into account, I'M TWICE AS OLD AS YOU! Are you as dedicated to this pursuit as me? Have you made 40 consecutive trans-atlantic flights, forsaking all other destinations, just to monger in the provinces and spread $100,000 across the Motherland from Crimea to the Urals? Well, have you???
I don't expect you to see this the same way as I do, and most importantly, I couldn't give a flying fuck if you don't.
You don't even understand that I'm trying to help your sorry ass, sharing a little wisdom before I get dementia and forget everything. I'm an erotic art photographer philosopher pervert, sulking is half of life, you stervets dubina zhertva aborta!!
The only thing I expect, is that you probably won't be able to understand.
No more than I expect you to understand this:
For the same conclusion, I spent 2 years (not your 20 years).
[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]That's what I mean about sex passion, I'm not against it or complaining about it. But when they get all sweet on you, its NOT because they care, its just leftover emotion from the heavy sex. Because in the end, in the long run, they slam the door shut, EVERY TIME. Why? Who fucking knows, but for sure, its because THEY never really cared to begin with, get it? You just thought they did, BUT YOU WERE WRONG. It was only sex passion.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]You are really missing the perverbial boat amigo!
God, its draining to keep re-teaching you's guys the lessons of mongering, but I'll soldier on and lay it out for you AGAIN.
When I said the dyevs don't trust us and only feign caring about us, Strav and Krugerenda did amend that by adding that ruski wives accept unfaithfulness and ruski husbands go to sleep knowing they can wake up with their balls in a meatgrinder.
Ok all fine and dandy, but for the last time, I was ONLY referring to all those young styudenkas who I spoiled and then got burned by in the end. That's it!
I love them too, pal. You may get on your knees, but Bez gets all the way on the floor, so's they can squat way down and get my tongue up to their cervixes.
To explain, again for the last time, about passion, what I mean is that, when you've only been together for a week or even a few days, and they give us the full on GFE and get all cozy and act like they are glued to your neck, and WE start feeling something more than lust, ITS A SHAM, ITS A SCAM, IT AINT NOTHING, ITS BOGUS. DON'T FALL FOR THAT SHIT, IF YOU DO, YOU'RE A GOD DAMN FOOL.
Why? That's easy. Russian guys don't get all gooey, they treat their girlfriends the right way, like ok, you're here today because I like you today so I'll LET her have my cock, but just remember, I might want a new girl tomorrow, so she had better be my little peasant servant sextoy, OR ELSE!! They expect it and demand nothing less, and don't blink an eye to move on the next girl. To them, spoiling their girlfriend is to buy them a beer!
That's what I mean about sex passion, I'm not against it or complaining about it. But when they get all sweet on you, its NOT because they care, its just leftover emotion from the heavy sex. Because in the end, in the long run, they slam the door shut, EVERY TIME. Why? Who fucking knows, but for sure, its because THEY never really cared to begin with, get it???? You just thought they did, BUT YOU WERE WRONG. It was only sex passion.
Now you or anyone can argue that, but this is MY perspective after 20 years of homeland mongering spinner-tramps-in-training and now 10 years of EE mongering and +100 GFE's, and also, take into account, I'M TWICE AS OLD AS YOU! Are you as dedicated to this pursuit as me? Have you made 40 consecutive trans-atlantic flights, forsaking all other destinations, just to monger in the provinces and spread $100,000 across the Motherland from Crimea to the Urals? Well, have you???
I don't expect you to see this the same way as I do, and most importantly, I couldn't give a flying fuck if you don't.
You don't even understand that I'm trying to help your sorry ass, sharing a little wisdom before I get dementia and forget everything. I'm an erotic art photographer philosopher pervert, sulking is half of life, you stervets dubina zhertva aborta!!
The only thing I expect, is that you probably won't be able to understand.
No more than I expect you to understand this:[/QUOTE]1Russian Women Facts & Myths
What I have done here is given this questionnaire to guys living in Russia more than 2 years. Sorry guys, but it does NOT matter now many letters, phone calls or even trips you make here; until you have lived here, there are some things that you are blind to. I guarantee you that if you take a trip to the FSU, you will love it and the people. Try living there, your opinion will change. Maybe a little, maybe a lot.
Because not everyone has the same opinion, I have also included the percentage of guys that have agreed with these opinions...so you can have a better idea.
Questionnaire
Russian women are beautiful. Fact (100%)
The chances of them keeping their looks after the age of 30 are very low. Fact (80%)
Russian women are slim. Fact (100%)
The chances of them keeping their figure after the age of 30 are very low. Fact (80%)
Russian women make excellent life-long partners. Myth (100%)
Russian women are good to have fun with for a short time. Fact (100%)
Russian women are warm, loving, soft-spoken and wonderful creatures. Myth (100%)
Russian women are whiney, over-sensitive, argumentative nymphos. Fact (75%)
Russian women are masters at turning on the charm until they have their claws in you. Fact (100%)
Russian women are pathological liars. Fact (75%)
Any man would be lucky to have a Russian wife. Myth (100%)
Russian women consider themselves to be highly elite, intelligent princesses. Fact (100%)
Russian women are beautiful on the inside. Myth (75%)
Russian women are arrogant, Soviet-thinking prisses. Fact (75%)
Russian women are open. (Meaning they shout, get angry and do and say anything they want.) Fact (80%)
Russian women, so as not to jinx anything, never tell you about their plans or personal life. Fact (75%)
Russian women seem to like sleeping, resting and doing nothing more than most other things. Fact (75%)
Russian women consider alcohol in hand mandatory for activities such as going to restaurants, cafes, friends’ houses, sitting in parks, walking or breathing. Fact (100%)
The above is from [url]www.agencyscams.com[/url] but I agree totally LoL
[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra] BUT YOU WERE WRONG. It was only sexual passion. :[/QUOTE]
Thanks for your reply, i try to understand.
I don’t understand the comment - "BUT YOU WERE WRONG. it was only sexual passion", - as if thats something inferior. Something the religious right on USA might say to you. i don't buy into their moral highground argument. In fact the complete opposite, i see nothing morally wrong with my love affairs with women of the working variety. I WAS RIGHT. )
Where i come from its all completely legal, even street walkers are protected by the police with zero coruption. You can walk into a flash brothel in central city and have a beer and sauna with whomever for $150 US. The religious nuts complain but there very much in the minority. One of the religous right leaders here is currently sitting in prison for sex with boys. I look down my nose at them. and so should you.
Someone in the forum wrote something like: "You can never understand Russians looking through an American perspective". I only partly agree, I'm not American ) but i'm aware there have been a few great Americans with a great prospective of working women. I always loved the way Lenny Bruce refused to call them prostitutes because it was men who were the biggest prostitutes, selling their souls for money. He called them Hookers. I also liked Frank Zappas views as well. But I especially like John Steinbecks view of working women, Russian ones to. See the above quotes.
Quote by Russian hooker - Regina Savitskaya - in the book “Hustling on Gorky Street” by Yuri Brokhin, published 1975. Yep that’s right 1975.
“And in the evenings, I worked the Bolshoi Theatre. My favourite ballet was Swan Lake: four intermissions to spend time working the crowd in the lobby. ..i’ve been screwed by such famous Pricks as John Steinbeck, Yevgeny Yevtushenko… and a couple clergy from the Vatican.”
(Regina was once a star pupil of the Bolshoi Ballet and has a Masters Degree from Moscow State University)
I say good on John Steinbeck, what do you think he was up to in Russian when he wrote his book ‘a Russian Journal’, I love his book ‘Cannery Row’ where he writes so beautifully of Floras *****house and the girls that worked there. He was an American that who wasn’t afraid of the religious right nuts.
I’ve read those USA WSG forums where guys cry and write of how ashamed they are of their addiction, Gee those guys are so sad, its no addiction, its fun and natural and fun. I’m proud of my affairs and I always treat these women with respect and thoughtfulness. You people from the USA are being ripped of by the religious right.
Regina Savitskaya again
“… I’ld also sometimes stand on Kutuzov Prospekt, where the foreign residents live, and pretend to hail cabs. Keeping an eye open for Mercedes Benz or Cadillacs, wearing my best Simone de Beavoir expression. My study of existential philosophy came in handy for hooking foreign suckers that starved for an intellectual ****….”
1975 Interview with Regina Savitskaya (Regina was a star pupil of the Bolshoi Ballet and has Masters Degree from Moscow State University. From the book “Hustling on Gorky Street” – Yuri Brokhin Published 1975
[QUOTE=Nickc] Heaven it will be at Hotel Vladivostok [/QUOTE]
Could you elaborate ? :)
Nickc don't believe everything you read.
Yuri Brokhin has connections at Bolshoi Theathre through his wife and then emigrated to USA.
He published this book in USA and mostly it was his imagination. He gave the USA what they wanted to hear back then: some shocking truth about USSR which presented it self as the land of happy people.
It was contrast from books published by other soviet dissidents who focused on political system while Brokhin showed moral side which wasn't entirelly true.
Brokhin was presented as famed expatriate Russian dissident but in fact he was international drug dealer and jewel thief. His career ended in 1982 when somebody (most likely KGB) put a bullet in his head.
No problem in screwing Vatican clergy but in USSR back in the seventies?
Hardly you could find any.
In the seventies on Kutuzov prospect lived many staff of foreign embassies and it was heavily guarded by military and undercover KGB. Looking for spies both foreign and domestic. Soviet citizens were forbidden to hang around there and always got the order "move along citizen!". This was situation until late eighties.
I believe the part about Steinbeck. Have a read of Russian Journal or Cannery Row by John Steinbeck. Its a good story!!
[QUOTE=Kurenda]Brokhin was presented as famed expatriate Russian dissident but in fact he was international drug dealer and jewel thief. [/QUOTE]
thats just from wikipedia, no doubt written as a character assasination??
[QUOTE=Kurenda] No problem in screwing Vatican clergy but in USSR back in the seventies? Hardly you could find any.
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Many foreigners were allowed short 3 day visits to Moscow to Visit the Bolshoi etc. My father was one who visited in the 70s. Maybe he met John or Regina? I won't ask him, not about Regina anyway.
[QUOTE=In the seventies on Kutuzov prospect lived many staff of foreign embassies and it was heavily guarded by military and undercover KGB. Looking for spies both foreign and domestic. Soviet citizens were forbidden to hang around there and always got the order "move along citizen!". This was situation until late eighties.[/QUOTE]
Regina was just there catching a taxi, what! do you think she was there for something else!
Cheers anyway )
Hi, I just come back from a 4 days business trip in Moscow.
I stayed in Cosmos hotel, after 10 pm in the lobby start some movement of girls and after 11, 30 pm you can count about 15 girls.
The average price is 6000 per gour, they start with 7000 but in few minutes you can go down to 6000 for 2 shots, I tryed 2 girls, both nice but very mechanic, and after 50 minutes they receive a call from the boss downstair reminding that time is finishing.
Not bad experience but definetely not the best option in Moscow.
[QUOTE=Rjunk]1Russian Women Facts & Myths
What I have done here is given this questionnaire to guys living in Russia more than 2 years. Sorry guys, but it does NOT matter now many letters, phone calls or even trips you make here; until you have lived here, there are some things that you are blind to. I guarantee you that if you take a trip to the FSU, you will love it and the people. Try living there, your opinion will change. Maybe a little, maybe a lot.
Because not everyone has the same opinion, I have also included the percentage of guys that have agreed with these opinions...so you can have a better idea.
Questionnaire
Russian women are beautiful. Fact (100%)
The chances of them keeping their looks after the age of 30 are very low. Fact (80%)
Russian women are slim. Fact (100%)
The chances of them keeping their figure after the age of 30 are very low. Fact (80%)
Russian women make excellent life-long partners. Myth (100%)
Russian women are good to have fun with for a short time. Fact (100%)
Russian women are warm, loving, soft-spoken and wonderful creatures. Myth (100%)
Russian women are whiney, over-sensitive, argumentative nymphos. Fact (75%)
Russian women are masters at turning on the charm until they have their claws in you. Fact (100%)
Russian women are pathological liars. Fact (75%)
Any man would be lucky to have a Russian wife. Myth (100%)
Russian women consider themselves to be highly elite, intelligent princesses. Fact (100%)
Russian women are beautiful on the inside. Myth (75%)
Russian women are arrogant, Soviet-thinking prisses. Fact (75%)
Russian women are open. (Meaning they shout, get angry and do and say anything they want.) Fact (80%)
Russian women, so as not to jinx anything, never tell you about their plans or personal life. Fact (75%)
Russian women seem to like sleeping, resting and doing nothing more than most other things. Fact (75%)
Russian women consider alcohol in hand mandatory for activities such as going to restaurants, cafes, friends’ houses, sitting in parks, walking or breathing. Fact (100%)
The above is from [url]www.agencyscams.com[/url] but I agree totally LoL[/QUOTE]So if it is a myth it means its not true or true?
[QUOTE=Rjunk]Russian women are beautiful. Fact (100%)
The chances of them keeping their looks after the age of 30 are very low. Fact (80%)
Russian women are slim. Fact (100%)
The chances of them keeping their figure after the age of 30 are very low. Fact (80%)
Russian women make excellent life-long partners. Myth (100%)
Russian women are good to have fun with for a short time. Fact (100%)
Russian women are warm, loving, soft-spoken and wonderful creatures. Myth (100%)
Russian women are whiney, over-sensitive, argumentative nymphos. Fact (75%)
Russian women are masters at turning on the charm until they have their claws in you. Fact (100%)
Russian women are pathological liars. Fact (75%)
Any man would be lucky to have a Russian wife. Myth (100%)
Russian women consider themselves to be highly elite, intelligent princesses. Fact (100%)
Russian women are beautiful on the inside. Myth (75%)
Russian women are arrogant, Soviet-thinking prisses. Fact (75%)
Russian women are open. (Meaning they shout, get angry and do and say anything they want.) Fact (80%)
Russian women, so as not to jinx anything, never tell you about their plans or personal life. Fact (75%)
Russian women seem to like sleeping, resting and doing nothing more than most other things. Fact (75%)
Russian women consider alcohol in hand mandatory for activities such as going to restaurants, cafes, friends’ houses, sitting in parks, walking or breathing. Fact (100%)
The above is from [url]www.agencyscams.com[/url] but I agree totally LoL[/QUOTE]Haha... pretty accurate actually.
There is nothing perfect in the world and although Russian women do make an effort to be perfect, they definitely have their downsides too...
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]There is nothing perfect in the world and although Russian women do make an effort to be perfect, they definitely have their downsides too...[/QUOTE]
True, but I'll take 'em over any other women in the world... any day of the week.
[QUOTE=Kurenda]
In the seventies on Kutuzov prospect lived many staff of foreign embassies and it was heavily guarded by military and undercover KGB. Looking for spies both foreign and domestic. Soviet citizens were forbidden to hang around there and always got the order "move along citizen!". This was situation until late eighties.[/QUOTE]
These days, east Kutuzovsky Prospekt is home to a bunch of money-laundering joints posing as high-end "boutiques", and you have to venture further west (Slavyansky Bul'var/Kuntsevskaya) to find any streetwalkers. Debatable if that's an improvement or not.
[i]The above is from [url]www.agencyscams.com[/url] but I agree totally LoL[/i]
An excellent description of Russian women born and raised in Moscow after 1984.
What did they say about the other 80 Million women in Russia?
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]True, but I'll take 'em over any other women in the world... any day of the week.[/QUOTE]Without a doubt. Their quirks, as frustrating as they might be, are easily outweighed by their raw sexuality and talent for being exceedingly caring and sweet when they see their man really needs it.
Besides, they keep you on your toes. I've never met women more capable of making their men perform in every sense of the word.
[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]Well, as usual, I regret starting some controversy...
Since I have no experience with wives or MILF's, I wasn't trying to include them in my "don't trust them" rant, so I have no clue why GT expected me to chime in about how they age quickly after 25 years.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=CA Traveler on 16 June 06]It is pretty common knowledge that Russian and Ukrainian women age in "dog years" once they hit, or come close to, 30 years old. After that it is a rare one who can maintain their youthful appearance.[/QUOTE]
Bez, I misattributed that metaphor. That witty remark was made by another seasoned authority, the long gone and much lamented CA Traveler.
But it was so pithy and poetic that naturally I assumed it to have been one of your priceless epigrams. Can you ever forgive me?
[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]
Bez, I menstruated. Can you forgive me?
[/QUOTE]
You bastard! You killed un-born Kenny.
Decided to answer my own question and venture forth into the dating. Ru site. Free registration, access to all ads without a fee (if you pay something you can get chat, see videos, put more parameters into search. Like Mamba). One thing nice about this site is that it has less spam and far fewer scam and agency ads, largely because you have to enter the code they show you to start a message thread with anyone.
Seems to mostly attract milfs, although there are younger ones registered. My ad attracted a teeming horde of Moscow milfs. Very few p4p (or advertising as such). It seems to be a mostly legitimate dating site. A great percentage of the ads confirm the sad observation that the local talent ages in dog years, especially after 30. But there are some real gems (not a lot of English spoken, but some. My Russian is barely adequate but enough to get the conversation started.) Two coffee hook-ups so far. The first wanted a new husband NOW, and wanted to call her mother to come meet me. RUN AWAY!
The second. 32, gorgeous, in great shape (a gym rat), very emotional after her husband of 12 years (and bf since school. And she claims, her one and only partner) walked out on her two weeks ago. 20 minutes of irish coffee and ranting about the bastard, then she practically dragged me back to my apartment, then proceded to boink me within an inch of my life for the next 5 hours (fueled by whiskey breaks which only revved her engine more). Revenge sex! Oxuitel'no! She taught that son of a ***** a lesson, all right! I've never felt so used.
I don't know how many like this are in their system. And as I said the great majority that checked out my ad and sent me the request to "poznakomimsya? " confirm the unfortunate stereotype that the years are not always kind to the local zhenskii population (wonder if it's genes or the stunningly unhealthy diet and customs? ). But there are a good number of promising candidates there. I have another meet and greet lined up this afternoon and will let you know if it's in any way as memorable as my last.
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[QUOTE=Bolshaya Shishka]Decided to answer my own question and venture forth into the dating. Ru site. Free registration, access to all ads without a fee (if you pay something you can get chat, see videos, put more parameters into search. Like Mamba). One thing nice about this site is that it has less spam and far fewer scam and agency ads, largely because you have to enter the code they show you to start a message thread with anyone.
Seems to mostly attract milfs, although there are younger ones registered. My ad attracted a teeming horde of Moscow milfs. Very few p4p (or advertising as such). It seems to be a mostly legitimate dating site. A great percentage of the ads confirm the sad observation that the local talent ages in dog years, especially after 30. But there are some real gems (not a lot of English spoken, but some. My Russian is barely adequate but enough to get the conversation started.) Two coffee hook-ups so far. The first wanted a new husband NOW, and wanted to call her mother to come meet me. RUN AWAY!
The second. 32, gorgeous, in great shape (a gym rat), very emotional after her husband of 12 years (and bf since school. And she claims, her one and only partner) walked out on her two weeks ago. 20 minutes of irish coffee and ranting about the bastard, then she practically dragged me back to my apartment, then proceded to boink me within an inch of my life for the next 5 hours (fueled by whiskey breaks which only revved her engine more). Revenge sex! Oxuitel'no! She taught that son of a ***** a lesson, all right! I've never felt so used.
I don't know how many like this are in their system. And as I said the great majority that checked out my ad and sent me the request to "poznakomimsya? " confirm the unfortunate stereotype that the years are not always kind to the local zhenskii population (wonder if it's genes or the stunningly unhealthy diet and customs? ). But there are a good number of promising candidates there. I have another meet and greet lined up this afternoon and will let you know if it's in any way as memorable as my last.
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I'm in the Philippines, but have some work coming up next year in Moscow and was employing the same strategy as adopted well in PH :) to spend some quality time and mamba.ru banned me first for mailing 100 girls at a time and then after cosistant request opened the account again :)
The problem with mamba is one cannot use copy and paste to translate as faced by many folks here, even though i'm learning Russian online but can't read and write for now, so dating.ru is perfect and scored 3 contacts out of 50 send outs. in three days....seems like a good score.
Anyone knows how good bride.ru is....it seems to have the best girls picture wise but 50 dollar set up fee and 50 per month for contacts is too much when there are free sites like mamba and dating.ru.
[url]www.erotic-massage.com[/url] is now offering variable rate pricing for the "polnaya programma" (1 hr. massage + sex). The dyeffki are choosing the price they will work for; starting at 2,000 руб, 2500 or 3000.
This is a major change in pricing, the crisis must be wearing on them.
[QUOTE=Rjunk]1Russian Women Facts & Myths
What I have done here is given this questionnaire to guys living in Russia more than 2 years. Sorry guys, but it does NOT matter now many letters, phone calls or even trips you make here; until you have lived here, there are some things that you are blind to. I guarantee you that if you take a trip to the FSU, you will love it and the people. Try living there, your opinion will change. Maybe a little, maybe a lot.
Because not everyone has the same opinion, I have also included the percentage of guys that have agreed with these opinions...so you can have a better idea.
Questionnaire
Russian women are beautiful. Fact (100%)
The chances of them keeping their looks after the age of 30 are very low. Fact (80%)
Russian women are slim. Fact (100%)
The chances of them keeping their figure after the age of 30 are very low. Fact (80%)
Russian women make excellent life-long partners. Myth (100%)
Russian women are good to have fun with for a short time. Fact (100%)
Russian women are warm, loving, soft-spoken and wonderful creatures. Myth (100%)
Russian women are whiney, over-sensitive, argumentative nymphos. Fact (75%)
Russian women are masters at turning on the charm until they have their claws in you. Fact (100%)
Russian women are pathological liars. Fact (75%)
Any man would be lucky to have a Russian wife. Myth (100%)
Russian women consider themselves to be highly elite, intelligent princesses. Fact (100%)
Russian women are beautiful on the inside. Myth (75%)
Russian women are arrogant, Soviet-thinking prisses. Fact (75%)
Russian women are open. (Meaning they shout, get angry and do and say anything they want.) Fact (80%)
Russian women, so as not to jinx anything, never tell you about their plans or personal life. Fact (75%)
Russian women seem to like sleeping, resting and doing nothing more than most other things. Fact (75%)
Russian women consider alcohol in hand mandatory for activities such as going to restaurants, cafes, friends’ houses, sitting in parks, walking or breathing. Fact (100%)
The above is from [url]www.agencyscams.com[/url] but I agree totally LoL[/QUOTE]
Accurate for all FSU women... but if you find the right nynpho it's like heaven, specially is she is a nice slim teen blondinka in the Russian style menu 18/165/48/1 or aurund that! :D :D :D
This one is not 18, not blonde, but she is exactly what I would like to find in my bed when I wake up. Avaliable in Moscow up to 50 y.o. :p
[url]http://flirt.com.ua/katesova77/[/url]
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Well, funny topic!
Now I will write my opinion (I'm Russian, I live in Moscow)
Russian women are beautiful. Fact (100%)
- I dont think Russians are more beautiful than Italian or Holland girls. When western guys think of Russian girls they recall the most stunning of them, of course, but when I travel in Moscow subway I see ALL of them..
The chances of them keeping their looks after the age of 30 are very low. Fact (80%)
- yes
Russian women are slim. Fact (100%)
- better than Americans.. but not as slim as Asian girls.
The chances of them keeping their figure after the age of 30 are very low. Fact (80%)
- yes
Russian women make excellent life-long partners. Myth (100%)
- it depends..
Russian women are good to have fun with for a short time. Fact (100%)
- it depends..
Russian women are warm, loving, soft-spoken and wonderful creatures. Myth (100%)
- true, if she really likes you.
Russian women are whiney, over-sensitive, argumentative nymphos. Fact (75%)
- hmmm, what is "whiney"? :)
Russian women are masters at turning on the charm until they have their claws in you. Fact (100%)
- probably.. I dont have claws in me yet... :)
Russian women are pathological liars. Fact (75%)
- well... probably yes.
Any man would be lucky to have a Russian wife. Myth (100%)
- even more: not every man wants to have a wife :)
Russian women consider themselves to be highly elite, intelligent princesses. Fact (100%)
- yes! :) It is a common tale among Russian girls that there are the most beautiful women upon Earth.
But actually self-confidence is not a bad thing.
Russian women are beautiful on the inside. Myth (75%)
- it depends..
Russian women are arrogant, Soviet-thinking prisses. Fact (75%)
- this follows from the point where they count themself as princesses. But Soviet-thinking era has nothing to do with this (on the contrary: Soviet people were paying a great respect and interest to foreigners..)
Russian women are open. (Meaning they shout, get angry and do and say anything they want.) Fact (80%)
- yes, but if a girl wants to keep her dignity she wont ask you for sex, money and time.
Russian women, so as not to jinx anything, never tell you about their plans or personal life. Fact (75%)
- it depends on your relation type
Russian women seem to like sleeping, resting and doing nothing more than most other things. Fact (75%)
- just like all other people on our planet :)
Russian women consider alcohol in hand mandatory for activities such as going to restaurants, cafes, friends’ houses, sitting in parks, walking or breathing. Fact (100%)
- only girls with low education level - just because they dont have enough money for restaurants.
Well, actually, I think every man can write the same about women of his nation.. The defferencies are not as big.
Who cares?
I love them all.
[QUOTE=Dymytry]Well, funny topic!
Now I will write my opinion (I'm Russian, I live in Moscow)
Russian women are beautiful. Fact (100%)
- I dont think Russians are more beautiful than Italian or Holland girls. When western guys think of Russian girls they recall the most stunning of them, of course, but when I travel in Moscow subway I see ALL of them..
The chances of them keeping their looks after the age of 30 are very low. Fact (80%)
- yes
Russian women are slim. Fact (100%)
- better than Americans.. but not as slim as Asian girls.
The chances of them keeping their figure after the age of 30 are very low. Fact (80%)
- yes
Russian women make excellent life-long partners. Myth (100%)
- it depends..
Russian women are good to have fun with for a short time. Fact (100%)
- it depends..
Russian women are warm, loving, soft-spoken and wonderful creatures. Myth (100%)
- true, if she really likes you.
Russian women are whiney, over-sensitive, argumentative nymphos. Fact (75%)
- hmmm, what is "whiney"? :)
Russian women are masters at turning on the charm until they have their claws in you. Fact (100%)
- probably.. I dont have claws in me yet... :)
Russian women are pathological liars. Fact (75%)
- well... probably yes.
Any man would be lucky to have a Russian wife. Myth (100%)
- even more: not every man wants to have a wife :)
Russian women consider themselves to be highly elite, intelligent princesses. Fact (100%)
- yes! :) It is a common tale among Russian girls that there are the most beautiful women upon Earth.
But actually self-confidence is not a bad thing.
Russian women are beautiful on the inside. Myth (75%)
- it depends..
Russian women are arrogant, Soviet-thinking prisses. Fact (75%)
- this follows from the point where they count themself as princesses. But Soviet-thinking era has nothing to do with this (on the contrary: Soviet people were paying a great respect and interest to foreigners..)
Russian women are open. (Meaning they shout, get angry and do and say anything they want.) Fact (80%)
- yes, but if a girl wants to keep her dignity she wont ask you for sex, money and time.
Russian women, so as not to jinx anything, never tell you about their plans or personal life. Fact (75%)
- it depends on your relation type
Russian women seem to like sleeping, resting and doing nothing more than most other things. Fact (75%)
- just like all other people on our planet :)
Russian women consider alcohol in hand mandatory for activities such as going to restaurants, cafes, friends’ houses, sitting in parks, walking or breathing. Fact (100%)
- only girls with low education level - just because they dont have enough money for restaurants.
Well, actually, I think every man can write the same about women of his nation.. The defferencies are not as big.[/QUOTE]
Hi Dymytry,
Good to see some native opinion here!
I am living in Moscow for more than 2 years now, and I have to say that I more or less agree with the opinions expressed below. This is a caricature, so yes, there are women here different from that, I would even say that most of my friends are married with really different russian women from what is described below...But still, there is something really true in it that every foreigner I think has experienced once...
Appart from that, I would like to mentioned that a new bar called UGLY COYOTTE has opened in Moscow. The opening night was quite good. Waitress are stunning and all girsl are dancing on the bar itself. Quite fun as a pre-party I would say - but don't stay here the while night.
The Tall Man just ended a 10 plus year marraige to a tall, slender, stunning russian woman. We also new dozens of others couples (American men maarried to a Russian), so I think I can chime in on this one. This report is remarkably accurate!
Now, even after all of this, I still find myself dreaming of visiting and finding another Russian again. Let me tell you that when it is good (relationship) it is every man dream, when it goes South - RUN FOR COVER.
Be safe,
The Tall Man
[QUOTE=Dymytry]Well, funny topic!
Now I will write my opinion (I'm Russian, I live in Moscow)
[/QUOTE]
Dymytry....I can bet you never been with an Asian women. I have been trying to get dates from Russian women on my coming travel to Moscow and it has been nothing short of a nightmare.
Once you go Asian you never go Caucasian.....or rather you can't, Russian women are exact opposite of Asian women, your last point is what hit me for years [quote]Well, actually, I think every man can write the same about women of his nation.. The defferencies are not as big.[/quote]
It is only true for certain women not all, go to Philippines, Thailand and other Asian countries, women are NOT AT ALL as you mention.
I think Russian women have an air of eliteness among them that they are the daughters of the earth and untouchable. They abruptly call of a chat or talk or correspondence for no good reason...I mean what the FuuCk...they are silly and think not generally of how worlds thinks and reacts...they will make you crazy.
No doubt they are very beautiful but i don't think they could ever come close to been as trustworthy as Asian women IMO.
I'm spending nearly four hours everyday sending mails to almost 100 girls daily to get some contact, lying sometimes even that i'm already in Moscow and all i get is few sentences, good conversation and then boom abrupt end no correspondance...that drives me crazy...it makes me feel inferior and complex to write to another women as i think i have some innate deficiency to deal with these women.
On the contrary to get confidence back i do the same thing with Asian women in dateinasia.com i get mails from Korea to japan to philiphines which makes sense and top that all I'm from India....not the best kind of race to get a date..yet i'm able to get dates and e-mail address and phone number in 100's yes literally 100's than what i'm getting from Russian women.
Its BULL SHIT...i'm frustrated, highly disappointed but i'm happy i tested the water so early...now all i have to do is P4P and not chase some worthless thing in my mind to date a Russian women....ohh i soo love ISG
[QUOTE=Passepartout]Appart from that, I would like to mentioned that a new bar called UGLY COYOTTE has opened in Moscow. The opening night was quite good. Waitress are stunning and all girsl are dancing on the bar itself. Quite fun as a pre-party I would say - but don't stay here the while night.[/QUOTE]
PPT - can you give the coordinates of this new place? Looking for an alternative to your and my standard hangout on Nikolskaya... :) Which, btw, asked Doc Skank and Roger Mellie recently if they had a CLUB CARD! I've been going to Che for a few years now... last couple years solid, spent untold thousands (USD, mind you) there, invited to drunken birthday parties of the doormen, and never once had them mention a club card.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets] I've been going to Che for a few years now... last couple years solid, spent untold thousands (USD, mind you) there, invited to drunken birthday parties of the doormen, and never once had them mention a club card.[/QUOTE]
Regards the report on 'Che'.
i visited 'La Mur' a month ago (15/2 Lubyansky Pr), it was downstairs.
On the ground level was a club called Che.
Would this be the same Che your writing about?
The Che Website saids 10/2 Nikolskaya ul., which is up the road and left??
Maybe its the Twilight Zone.
Anyway La Mur was OK, lots of different girls and well priced.
Certainly not top end but they were fun. It was more real and friendly than some of those glossy fake clubs.
Interestingly, if you walk out of La Mur, walk 20 metres up the road and turn right onto
Maroseyka Ul there were a few girls following men walking past and offering services.
The men were probably just walking home and took it light heartedly. Then there was some guys in a car who honked and yahooed at this other girl just standing there, who just smiled and waved back. So i guess its safe to assume this was some street action about 9.30 pm. About time Moscow had some of this.
I went onto Bordo afterwards (This was another one of my walkabouts - all these clubs are pretty close to each other - sometimes its quicker to walk - if you know where your going) It has restaurant with club, 2 bars. I saw they had a downstairs area but I didn’t investigate that.
The girls flock as you walk in, a little overwhelming. Saw 2 great girls walk past that I made introductions to, but they had a prior customer at the other bar. Not to much else of interest, I didn’t feel like waiting on the girls I liked, so I split.
I walked onto Oh La La (1 Sretenka) This was a great club when I last visited in 2005. I don’t want to be to harsh, but it has changed a lot. Not as busy as it use to be. I believe 911 Petrovka has taken a lot of there customers. Entry was reasonable and beers well priced.
A variety of girls, one I was interested in, but she and the rest of the girls were obsessed with this group of 4 Russians who were completely pissed and dropping 100 rouble notes all over the place. One of the guys passed out and the other guys poured shots of Vodka on his face, and he’ld wake up and swear, then pass out again.
One of the guys was dancing and throwing large bundles of 100 rouble notes in the air and the girls swept up around him. It was quite a comedy act. Apart from those guys there was only 2 other guys in the club.
I was tipping the girls as well. One time I ran out and had to get change at the bar and this one girl had a tandrum at me. A little pushy. There was an air of desperation of a club in its last throws, facing tough times.
Then I tried to speak to the girl I was interested in but she was now only interested in the guy that passed out, trying to wake him. It was a plain weird night. I made a move to move. As I was leaving the girl now motioned me to stay, but I’ld had enough. As I left the 2 young bouncers starting hassling me for tips. I just walked out and onwards. As I say, there was an air of desperation of a club in its last throws, facing tough times.
Was gonna walk onto Shandra, but decided to call it a night. I wish I went to Shandra first as I never did get there that month. I have fond memories of Shandra when it on that side street off lower Tverskaya. That was a great club. I’ve heard there new premises at north central Moscow are quite good. Has anyone been to the new Shandra?? Do tell. And also a little more about Che??
Might I make a complaint as well. Several times in that month I found myself being the only person in a club i.e. 10 – 15 girls and me, I can’t cope with that, it’s a little overwhelming for me. I mean is that something epresentative of my character? being the only guy in a strip club )) How do you think that feels ? Where the hell were you guys? Get out there now and support your local strip club and the guy in the corner that’s probably me. ))
Cheers Nickc
My next report will be on the amazing 911 Petrovka.
[QUOTE=Nickc]
The Che Website saids 10/2 Nikolskaya ul., which is up the road and left??
[/QUOTE]
I think you were on the other side of Lubyanka, but yeah, they're all in the same 'hood.
[QUOTE]
I walked onto Oh La La (1 Sretenka) This was a great club when I last visited in 2005. I don’t want to be to harsh, but it has changed a lot. Not as busy as it use to be.
[/QUOTE]
It was pretty sad even in 2008, but after a full year of creesis... I shudder at the thought.
[QUOTE]
One of the guys passed out and the other guys poured shots of Vodka on his face, and he’ld wake up and swear, then pass out again.
One of the guys was dancing and throwing large bundles of 100 rouble notes in the air and the girls swept up around him. It was quite a comedy act.
[/QUOTE]
Sounds more entertaining than the strippers!
[QUOTE]
As I left the 2 young bouncers starting hassling me for tips. I just walked out and onwards.
[/QUOTE]
Yeah, this is familiar shit - hitting up the ignorant foreigners for undeserved tips. You played it well.
[QUOTE]
And also a little more about Che??
[/QUOTE]
Unlike all the clubs you mentioned, Che is a 24-hour resto/bar/club. Its main draw is that it's relatively small/compact by Moscow club standards, has good live music most nights until 12:30am or so, offers some of the best Mexican food in town (which sadly isn't saying much at all), has a reasonable crowd even on weeknights, some truly spectacular waitstaff (esp Andrey and Olya!), awesome mojitos which go down like candy, and regularly hosts a number of foreigners and girls who are keen to meet them. Negatives are that you'll feel like "selyodka v banke" (herring in a can) on crowded evenings, that the bartenders will tend to ignore you if you don't have tits (even if they know you), and that you can forget about getting in after 10pm on a weekend unless you're connected or have put down a cash deposit on a table (1500r/person) in advance. In all likelihood, I'll be there tonight. ;)
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]PPT - can you give the coordinates of this new place? Looking for an alternative to your and my standard hangout on Nikolskaya... :) Which, btw, asked Doc Skank and Roger Mellie recently if they had a CLUB CARD! I've been going to Che for a few years now... last couple years solid, spent untold thousands (USD, mind you) there, invited to drunken birthday parties of the doormen, and never once had them mention a club card.[/QUOTE]
Ugly Coyotte Ulitsa Kuznetski Most Dom 6
I agree with you, it si harder and harder to enter into Che... Now, I always do the same: I send a driver of my company to book a table - then you are sure to enter. Cost is min 1500 rur by person, deducted from your bill, so that's OK. For friday and saturday night, to be done at least on monday or tuesday.
Forgive me guys for posting this article here.
I just thought you guys would appreciate the humour within it.
We are well proud of our very loving and sharing kiwi women.
They hold the world record for sexual partners. Champions!!!
They like a few drinks and they like more than a few men ))
[url]http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/295808[/url]
[QUOTE=Passepartout]I agree with you, it si harder and harder to enter into Che... Now, I always do the same: I send a driver of my company to book a table - then you are sure to enter. Cost is min 1500 rur by person, deducted from your bill, so that's OK. For friday and saturday night, to be done at least on monday or tuesday.[/QUOTE]
Given that many of the guys turned away at the door look to be fairly well-to-do expats, I will ask them next time why they DON'T issue club cards. After all, anyone who can afford a $1000 card will be buying plenty of drinks once inside the club. And, they let in plenty of dorks (not including my occasional wingman, PPT) who reserve tables in advance. But on the other hand, it's extremely unusual for so popular a club to maintain a "no cover" policy too, even on Fridays and Saturdays. Whatever their formula, you can't argue that it's ineffective -- even during the crisis, that place is packed most nights of the week.
Still, I'm looking for other options for weeknights (Mon-Wed) where the male:female ratio is at most 1:1, and the girls decent-looking/dressed, and 20-something...
[QUOTE=Nickc]Forgive me guys for posting this article here.
I just thought you guys would appreciate the humour within it.
We are well proud of our very loving and sharing kiwi women.
They hold the world record for sexual partners. Champions!!!
They like a few drinks and they like more than a few men ))
[url]http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/295808[/url][/QUOTE] Hats off to Kiwi chicks!!!!!
I have been to this club Up-and-Down located the side-street before Prolaterskaya metro on Friday night for the first time. What a shock, even for me living in russia for more than 2 years!!
First getting in, if you are a decent-looking expat shouldn't be an issue.
Then, the quality of the girls inside was just amazing. I couldn't spot any girl less than 7, most of them would be rated 9 or 10.
Ratio was 1 woman for 3 guys, but there are only babies of 18 years old or ugly over-fatted guys (but rich, no need to say). It means that you an have a real chance in the game.
I think that some of the girls are working, but couldn't check this.
We were 5 of us, and 2 had the chance to go back home with a very good looking diev, so I consider this ratio as quite successful.
The club it self is big and nice, and I would say rather empty - I guess it won't last a lot when you see the feminine crowd in it.
We will defenitly return, it might turn to be our basement to start to night.
Apart from that, the other club really amazing nowadays in Moscow is Krisha, on the river bank. Don't go there before 3.00 it's an after party club so it becomes nice around 5.00. The only issue is that you must be an oligarch with 3 top models to get in. But it worth to try as we usually get in half of the time, which is really not bad. There is a kind of expat exception to get in. A card club exists but I couldn't get it yet.
[QUOTE=Passepartout]I have been to this club Up-and-Down located the side-street before Prolaterskaya metro on Friday night for the first time.
[/QUOTE]
Someone else had recently put me onto this club as well, but I guess I'm just too lazy to venture outside of the Garden Ring very often. And when I do, I expect it to be simply awesome (like Slava was back in the day).
On your recommendation, I went to Coyote Ugly recently with a huge crew of guys. BTW, the address is not dom 6, but dom 8/3, on Kuznetsky Most between Petrovka (Most) and Bol. Dmitrovka (Ketama). Cover is quite digestable at 300r, and indeed the place was packed with decent-looking studentki (and some I suspect a bit younger). A few girls were simply stunning, but regrettably all of them were with male escorts. :(
The bar is an American-based franchise, and therefore I shouldn't have been surprised when the first voice heard over the PA system was that of a New-York-accented girl who could have worked as an MC at Cheetahs or Spearmint Rhino. "Jasmine to stage 2... Jasmine - stage 2. But gentlemen, first put your hands together for Lacey!" But I digress...
It's a two-and-a-half floor deal. In the basement, there are toilets and a drinking/chill-out bar with kalyan (hookah). On the "second floor" in the back is a cloakroom and a gift shop featuring Coyote Ugly branded merchandise (shot glasses, mugs, knick-knacks). The street-level floor is by far the biggest, and allows one to see all of the action from pretty much any vantage point. The L-shaped bar, spanning two full sides of the room, is twice the depth of a regular bartop, which allows bartenders and mostly regular girls to dance on top of it while still allowing regular business (ie taking orders, serving drinks, collecting money and retrieving empties) to get accomplished. For those of you acquainted with Moscow, you'll know that scantily-clad (even topless) regular girls dancing on bartops is nothing unique. What made this place special was the quantity of girls on the bar at any time. At one point, I counted two dozen!
Another feature of the bar is body shots administered on the bartop by two buxom bartenders who - let's just say - know how to work their bodies. So, points allocated for style and atmosphere. And though it's unusual for a new club, they definitely have their shit together in terms of bar operations. Unlike most clubs in Moscow, they have an adequate number of barstaff and they continually push the drinks (unlike many bars here where you have 3 guys idly chatting amongst themselves and it's far easier to get the attention of the hottie standing next to you than theirs). I suspect that the American girl (who told us that that was her last night in Moscow before returning to the US), was sent out by headquarters to show them how service *should* be done. Big points allocated for service.
As for drinks, they have most things - several beers on tap, wine, cocktails, lots of various types of booze. Everything, it seems, except my drink - mojito. :( Oh well, I was relegated to drinking Paulaner on tap (and not a bad deal either at 220r for half liter) - could be a lot worse. One minus, though not at all unique by Moscow standards, is that they only take cash. Being located a stone's throw from Red Square, there are a multitude of ATMs in the area, but just be prepared.
Music was extremely loud 80s-oriented classic rock/pop. I was particularly amused at watching the bartenders dancing (again on the bartop) to "Devil Went Down to Georgia" in front of a flummoxed Russian crowd who I suspect were hearing the song for the first time and wouldn't be able to distinguish Charlie Daniels from Billy Gibbons (on second thought, maybe I wouldn't be able to do that myself). Later in the night, they introduced songs more accessible to the young crowd, ranging from Soviet retro classic such as Летящей Походкой (With a Flying Gait) to the latest Russian rap/popsa.
As with most bars/clubs, the crowd fluctuated throughout the night, but there were always plenty of available girls with whom to chat and/or dance and/or collect digits. Most were in the 6-8 range, some with beautiful faces, some with beautiful bodies, but few possessing both. I did spot a couple girls (one with a simply incredible body) who my friends agreed were most likely working, but they were in the very very small minority.
My only mistake that night was that I wore a sport-coat. Not only was I a bit over-dressed for the venue (I would have fit in better down the street at Most), but it was insanely hot - in the 30-range. Next time, I'm going in a T-shirt! But with all the advantages of this place, and the convenient location, there will definitely be a next time!
[QUOTE]
Apart from that, the other club really amazing nowadays in Moscow is Krisha, on the river bank. Don't go there before 3.00 it's an after party club so it becomes nice around 5.00. The only issue is that you must be an oligarch with 3 top models to get in. But it worth to try as we usually get in half of the time, which is really not bad. There is a kind of expat exception to get in. A card club exists but I couldn't get it yet.[/QUOTE]
Got faced there on my one and only attempt with a small crew: one good-looking Russian guy, and one dumpy American dude - all of us shit-faced. Frankly, if I had been the doorman, I'd have faced us too. That was many months ago and I didn't bother trying again. Might be worth another attempt.
Are there any clubs like the River Palace of Kiev in Moscow? I know there are plenty of other options (thanks to the contributors) but like the atmosphere at the RP, but I will be in Moscow before I make it back to Kiev.
Thanks
Pizdiest,
A friend of mine just told me that there are private parties every friday in Krisha. If you arrive before 22.00 and got the "parol" then you will get in - I will get this "parol" every weeks so just tell me if you need it.
It is certainly very early in the night, but well, what do you prefer: drink at home with your buddies and then go out, or get drunk surrounded by top models and, yeah, in da place???
PS: if other wsg members living in Moscow are interested by ther parol, PM me I will make it available to you
[QUOTE=Stevie69]Are there any clubs like the River Palace of Kiev in Moscow? I know there are plenty of other options (thanks to the contributors) but like the atmosphere at the RP, but I will be in Moscow before I make it back to Kiev.
[/QUOTE]
Oh heavens... I hate the way this forum is currently organized. Can't wait until Jackson gets the wiki up and going - will be sooo much better. And I for one will be much more willing to contribute since I'll know that my efforts won't immediately scroll off the page and into oblivion.
So, for the umpteenth time, there are 2 hooker bars in Moscow: NightFlight and HotDog (formerly Doug & Marty's Boar House, formerly Chesterfields). NightFlight is high-end, HotDog is mid/low-end, and both suck. But they're the only games in town. There are literally dozens of reviews on each in this forum. Pros can also be found in mid/high-end clubs, but you'll have to approach the girls yourself.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]I was particularly amused at watching the bartenders dancing (again on the bartop) to "Devil Went Down to Georgia" in front of a flummoxed Russian crowd who I suspect were hearing the song for the first time[/QUOTE]LOL! That must have been memorable, I wish I had been there to see that. Do they also sell lizard skin shit-kickers in the gift shop?
Interesting about the cash only policy. I wonder if there is a practical reason whey they don't take credit cards, or if they simply want to preserve the persona of the two-fisted, no frills, drinking establishment created in the movie.
[b] [color=red] Aeroflot moves its own and partners' flights from Sheremetyevo Terminals 1, F (2) and C to Terminal D (3) for November 15 2009 - February 06 2010.
From November 15 2009, Aeroflot has started moving its own flights and flights operated by its partners to the new Sheremetyevo Terminal D, located next to Terminal F (Sheremetyevo 2).
In the period until February 06 2010, the new terminal will be operating Aeroflot's 77 international flights, 33 international flights by Aeroflot's partners and SkyTeam-membering carriers, Aeroflot's 38 domestic flights, 7 flights by DonAvia, and 16 by Aeroflot Nord. [/b] [/color]
Has anyone actually experienced this new terminal or is this another in a long list of teasers from AFlot? I departed from SVO2 about two weeks ago on a KLM flight and things were looking pretty dismal. Half the place was under tarps so prehaps they are getting ready to give it an overhaul next.
[QUOTE]Has anyone actually experienced this new terminal or is this another in a long list of teasers from AFlot? I departed from SVO2 about two weeks ago on a KLM flight and things were looking pretty dismal. Half the place was under tarps so prehaps they are getting ready to give it an overhaul next.[/QUOTE]
I've been to Terminal C, neighbor to the ass-tastic Terminal 1, and it's quite new and nice. I would assume that Terminal D would be in a similar style to that, and the new Express Rail Station.
I just received a notification email from Aeroflot with a schedule of them moving flights to this new terminal, so I think it really is going to happen - and soon.
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]I wonder if there is a practical reason whey they don't take credit cards, or if they simply want to preserve the persona of the two-fisted, no frills, drinking establishment created in the movie.[/QUOTE]
There are many practical reasons: a) no fees paid to credit card companies b) no credit card disputes resulting in losses c) they can report whatever they want to tax authorities d) potential as a money laundering operation. Usually d) is the prevailing reason in this city.
Guys,
I know this post has seemingly nothing to do with Moscow, but it's a great post from our amigo SPERTO from the Brazil Forum. Since I travel regularly to Russia and Brazil, I scan both threads, but recognize that many of you do not. What he writes is about Brazileiras, could very EASILY be applied to Moskvitchkas as well. Having hunted in both forests the points he makes are valid, valuable and interesting. I think you will all find it enjoyable and well worth the read. Enjoy and thanks to SPERTO.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=959160&postcount=573[/url]
Hello, everyone,
I'm planning a visit to Moscow. I have couple of questions;
1) Is it possible to get registration from the apartments or does it have to be a hotel to get the registration.
2) Which apartments would you advise? Any name, link will help.
3) Are apartments easy to get the girls in? Is there a security etc. That may stop the girls?
I will appreciat any help as there is not much time left till my visit.
Thank you
Hello, everyone,
I'm planning a visit to Moscow. I have couple of questions;
1) Is it possible to get registration from the apartments or does it have to be a hotel to get the registration.
[i]It's not necessary to stay in a hotel in order to make your registration. The apartment agency can help you with that.[/i]
2) Which apartments would you advise? Any name, link will help.
[i]Moscow Star: [url]http://www.moscow-star.com[/url]. Write to Rick at [email]rick@moscow-star.com[/email][/i]
3) Are apartments easy to get the girls in? Is there a security etc. That may stop the girls?[i]
Typically no one will bother you in an apartment, you can come and go as you please. Security is mainly in the hotels.[/i]
I will appreciat any help as there is not much time left till my visit.
Thank you
[QUOTE=Stravinsky][i]It's not necessary to stay in a hotel in order to make your registration. The apartment agency can help you with that.[/i][/QUOTE]
Is it by the way also true in case you have a business visa? In Tashkent the apartment owner was unable to register me because of my business visa (the only way to stay longer than one month). He could only register people with tourist visas. I had to do it through a hotel, for a 5$ daily fee. And it was rather difficult to find a hotel that agreed.
I wondered if it was the same thing in Russia.
[QUOTE=Prosal]Is it by the way also true in case you have a business visa? In Tashkent the apartment owner was unable to register me because of my business visa (the only way to stay longer than one month). He could only register people with tourist visas. I had to do it through a hotel, for a 5$ daily fee. And it was rather difficult to find a hotel that agreed.
I wondered if it was the same thing in Russia.[/QUOTE] I have stayed in apartments in Moscow for the last 8 or 9 trips on a business visa and each time the owner (or another person) was able to register me for a small fee.
Prosal also during my 2 months in Russia with obviously business visa, never had problem to be registered by the owner of the apt with or without small fee.
Again then I left Russia, I was not registered for all my 60 days, but something as 40 days, so they could argue where I was during the 20 days, more or less, when I was no registered at all, but no one problem and the policeman checked and opened almost all pages of my passport, maybe curious to see all the countrie I went.
I guess it is enough to be registered only the first day and then....when you remember LOL or something like that, cause I do not think I was "lucky" to have no problem, I think now they care much less than for example during my first time in 2004 when every policeman on the street seem to be looking for some "mistakes" in my visa.
Relax and enjoy the heaven ;) without forget to report :D
[QUOTE=Prosal]In Tashkent the apartment owner was unable to register me because of my business visa (the only way to stay longer than one month).[/QUOTE]Don't know about Tashkent. How long ago was this?
In Russia now, the registration process is very simple, you can register with a form at the Post Office. The catch is, you must have an "official" address in Moscow (or wherever you are staying). If you are staying in hotel, then you have an "official" address. But I have always stayed in apartments in Russia, with both tourist and business visas, and never had a problem to register.
To tell you the truth, most of the people who visit Russia never register. Particularly if they are coming from FSU and will only be in Moscow for a short stay (< week).
[QUOTE=Jake993]Guys,
I know this post has seemingly nothing to do with Moscow, but it's a great post from our amigo SPERTO from the Brazil Forum. Since I travel regularly to Russia and Brazil, I scan both threads, but recognize that many of you do not. What he writes is about Brazileiras, could very EASILY be applied to Moskvitchkas as well. Having hunted in both forests the points he makes are valid, valuable and interesting. I think you will all find it enjoyable and well worth the read. Enjoy and thanks to SPERTO.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=959160&postcount=573[/url][/QUOTE]
Thanks for the post, what he said goes for everyplace around the world IMHO.
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Don't know about Tashkent. How long ago was this?[/QUOTE]
Was last year. Rules seem to be different in Russia and Uzbekistan.
Thanks for the answer(s) anyhow.
I got a very negative experience with this lady. I booked her for 2 hours, she came 1 hour later explaining that there are traffic jams, also there was quite a strong smell of alcohol from her.
From what I have see on the web-site I expected an ex-model, as she claims on the site, as the prices are quite high as well! May be once she really was a model, but what I got was hardly comparable to an ex-model, may be very ex ex ex, lets say a model 20 year later after hard drinking, taking drugs and hard work!
Watching the time nervously and speaking with the accent that I could hardly understand she behaved in a strange way. I guess there is something wrong with her head.
She was very nervous and there was a strange smell from her. As for the photos, may be many years ago she really looked like that, but what I Got was a 40 year old woman with a strange smell and behavior, very nervous and rude. I paid to her 400 euro for two hours as she insisted on taking the money at the beginning and when she entered she really resembled the photos. Actually I stayed less than one hour as my brother didn't react at all when she undressed, (gosh, better she wouldn't have done that!) I would not describe as I try not to talk bad about women. When I asked for the money back, she got so mad that I decided to leave the things as they were
Absolutely mad and nasty woman.
[QUOTE=Jake993][b] [color=red] Aeroflot moves its own and partners' flights from Sheremetyevo Terminals 1, F (2) and see to Terminal the (3) for November 15 2009. February 06 2010.
From November 15 2009, Aeroflot has started moving its own flights and flights operated by its partners to the new Sheremetyevo Terminal D, located next to Terminal F (Sheremetyevo 2).
In the period until February 06 2010, the new terminal will be operating Aeroflot's 77 international flights, 33 international flights by Aeroflot's partners and SkyTeam-membering carriers, Aeroflot's 38 domestic flights, 7 flights by DonAvia, and 16 by Aeroflot Nord. [/b]
Has anyone actually experienced this new terminal or is this another in a long list of teasers from AFlot? I departed from SVO2 about two weeks ago on a KLM flight and things were looking pretty dismal. Half the place was under tarps so prehaps they are getting ready to give it an overhaul next.[/QUOTE]Sounds terrifying, I never use Aeroflot.
I got a very negative experience with this lady. I booked her for 2 hours, she came 1 hour later explaining that there are traffic jams, also there was quite a strong smell of alcohol from her.
From what I have see on the web-site I expected an ex-model, as she claims on the site, as the prices are quite high as well! May be once she really was a model, but what I got was hardly comparable to an ex-model, may be very ex ex ex, lets say a model 20 year later after hard drinking, taking drugs and hard work!
Watching the time nervously and speaking with the accent that I could hardly understand she behaved in a strange way. I guess there is something wrong with her head.
She was very nervous and there was a strange smell from her. As for the photos, may be many years ago she really looked like that, but what I Got was a 40 year old woman with a strange smell and behavior, very nervous and rude. I paid to her 400 euro for two hours as she insisted on taking the money at the beginning and when she entered she really resembled the photos. Actually I stayed less than one hour as my brother didn't even react to her body when she undressed, (gosh, better she wouldn't have done that!) when I asked for the money back, she got so mad that I decided to leave the things as they were
A dangerous and mad one. Be careful!
Hitman,
What website did you find her on?
[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]Dymytry. I can bet you never been with an Asian women. I have been trying to get dates from Russian women on my coming travel to Moscow and it has been nothing short of a nightmare.[/QUOTE]Born Loser, its funny but at the moment I'm just a several hours after Bangkok-Moscow flight..) As for Thais. They are nice, but think too much about money. I don't say its bad. But really it is not interesting for me. No game, no feelings. Nothing. I look at white guys with them and wonder if they really have feelings. In that country even damn ladyboys were approaching me with the words of neverending love.
I suppose Khmers are more frank.
Probably, I should have tried long time, not shorts. But anyway its all about money.
By the way, in Moscow you can meet girls from Asian provinces of Russia (Kalmykia, Yakutia, Bashkiria). They look like "real asians", but their behaviour is usually similar to ethnic Russians.
[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]Once you go Asian you never go Caucasian. Or rather you can't, Russian women are exact opposite of Asian women, your last point is what hit me for years[/QUOTE]Consequently, you can state that Russian women are the same as Western women? Or this picture is 3D?
[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]that I'm already in Moscow and all I get is few sentences, good conversation and then boom abrupt end no correspondance.[/QUOTE]Same thing for me about western women. Almost no positive experience. On the contrary to vast experience with Russians. I think thats because of my lack of western culture, lack of social patterns, some suspects to foreigners, difference between humor in Russia and USA etc.
If you know russian you can visit [url]www.dosug.org[/url] to avoid disappointment in future. You can find a number of reports of visiting prostitutes there, each with description of price, treatment, place etc
There is a search of reports by the phone number also.
[QUOTE=Nickc]I went onto Bordo afterwards (This was another one of my walkabouts. All these clubs are pretty close to each other. Sometimes its quicker to walk. If you know where your going) It has restaurant with club, 2 bars. I saw they had a downstairs area but I didn't investigate that.[/QUOTE] Pricey joint, I don't suggest you go here with less than 20k rubles to blow.
[QUOTE]I walked onto Oh La La (1 Sretenka) This was a great club when I last visited in 2005. I don't want to be to harsh, but it has changed a lot. Not as busy as it use to B. I believe 911 Petrovka has taken a lot of there customers. Entry was reasonable and beers well priced.[/QUOTE] The Only thing well price here. BUT I will say this. Girls here will let me do things I shouldn't in other clubs, and cannot in other countries. I have had my fingers inside some girls while they lapdance me, and a BJ in the bathroom, both for a 1000 ruble tip, June & August this year (09), Also I got digits from a 9, who had been working a week, she bailed on the job and went back to mommy, but only after a take home present, BBBJ, Candy Striping, and Anal, for 3 hours, 10k & restaurant dinner.
[QUOTE]Was going to walk onto Shandra, but decided to call it a night. I wish I went to Shandra first as I never did get there that month. I have fond memories of Shandra when it on that side street off lower Tverskaya. That was a great club. I've heard there new premises at north central Moscow are quite good. Has anyone been to the new Shandra? Do tell.[/QUOTE] Shandra is like Bordo, decent lookers, but pricey club.
[QUOTE]Might I make a complaint as well. Several times in that month I found myself being the only person in a club I. E. 10 – 15 girls and me, I can't cope with that, it's a little overwhelming for me. I mean is that something epresentative of my character? Being the only guy in a strip club)) How do you think that feels?[/QUOTE] Um. Great?
I went to a club, Chou Chou, was the only guy in the place, 900 rubs entrance, and found myself alone, 3 girls and the hostess. EEP? Sat down, first girl comes over. No english. Second girl, no english. I get the offisantka to talk to me. I ask. "the girls are going to just take off their tops, shake their bodies on stage, then come over to me and get me to give them a 200 ruble tip right? She affirms, to which I reply. Why don't we just get all the girls to take off their tops, sit with me for 15-20 minutes, I'll tip them all, and then choose one for a private dance? She agrees. Why not.
Then 6 more girls come from the back room. WTF, why not.
2000 rubles, and 30 minutes later, I'm liking their titties across one after the other. Things you'd never get to do.
Tall Blond with a Sexy ass from heaven is my choice, she takes me to the back room, 1500 rubles (1k for her 500 for the room) and she lets me jack onto her tits for a bonus 500.
Thats why being alone is worth it.
[QUOTE]My next report will be on the amazing 911 Petrovka.[/QUOTE]Oh don't get me started. I; the need to write a whole post on my naughty little bavarian girl. Who won't let me fuck her for 10k but will let me do everything else for 2x 1k dances.
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Hitman,
What website did you find her on?[/QUOTE]I don't remember now, some of these escort sites for russia, I googled it.
I got the telephone and the photos, she managed to twaddle that she has an own web-site and got mad when I said that I havent seen it, Abolutely crazy and mad !
Here are several of her pics, that she shot abot 20 years ago!
For Hitman's mystery woman, try
[url]http://www.dosug.cz/[/url]
metro = Pushkinskaya
name = Alena.
height = 180cm and above.
Both Pushkin and I are turning ... he in his grave, me still above ground. :)
Enjoy (if that is the right word).
P13
[QUOTE=Prosal]Is it by the way also true in case you have a business visa? In Tashkent the apartment owner was unable to register me because of my business visa (the only way to stay longer than one month). He could only register people with tourist visas. I had to do it through a hotel, for a 5$ daily fee. And it was rather difficult to find a hotel that agreed.
I wondered if it was the same thing in Russia.[/QUOTE]
Even if you have what's a "open" one year visa it might be difficult to register to OVIR if you go thre like the old rules. Now all it's done via computer systems by agencies. Some years ago it happened that I was in a hotel who was unable to register my visa. So I had to ask help to a Company office.
If you are in an apartment this depends on your Landlord or on the agency (they should help and there should be no problem with the procedure, quite quick). It's very various. One of the reasons I prefer hotels in Russia, specially with the new rules where you have to be registered within 24 hours (it might be a nightmare if police stops you or when you leave the country, Once I had a 1500 RUB fine for late registration at SVO, but it was a lot of time ago). Most of the hotels will do it for free and on spot for the guests via the informatic system of OVIR, very simple takes just a minute or even less while they are making the magnetic key of the room and all the paperwork.
Safe and Simple. In Russia (like everywhere) it's easier to follow the rules.
It seems very strange what you say on Business Visa.... may be you have to change the agency!
IT
Russian Air Transport systems is undergoing a modernization. By the way with rebulinding the DME airport (nearly finished and the SVO 1 and SVO 2 airports (to different airports with several terminals if you say it properly) the runways are in common. The Russian fleet (not Aeroflot only) will grow to be the 6th in the world before Sochi 2014.
Most of the west european or former east european companies fly now to DME (Domodedovo) like OS, LH, SK, also United from/to USA is flying there... lets' say Star Alliance, others, and most of the national (non Aeroflot) airlines. Aeroflot and some Skyteam (AZ, AF, etc) are flying to SVO 1 for national 2 for international, but they are building SVO 3. Thre is no fast connection system between the airports (these are not terminals! the terminals are with the letter system inside the SVO 2 for ex. right or left when you get inside the departure lounge).
The only real problem in using one or the other is simply if you are staying in Moscow or travelling elswhere. You should try to arrive in the airport where you have the connection. Getting by car (or BUS) from SVO to DME or viceversa might be a nightmare on ground of traffic.
Despite you are checked to final destination (and your luggage too) if yoy fly Aeroflot you should allow three hours for a transfer inside SVO (national/international or viceversa) This on ground the passport control is done in SVO 2.
Safest way of transfert between SVO and DME is a stopover in Moscow! Or using the train and the metro ;).
Once, when SVO 2 was practically the only international (non CIS) airport, I was nearly loosing the plane at DME having landed in SVO 2 six hours before departure!
Mind of the time, the controls, safety things and the fact that the shortest distance between SVO and DME is 71 km (travelling via the city) otherwise it's approx. 110 km. so it might take everything from one hour (motorway all the way) to 5/6 hours if traffic james... :( :(
Just my two cents
IT
[QUOTE=Jake993][b] [color=red] Aeroflot moves its own and partners' flights from Sheremetyevo Terminals 1, F (2) and C to Terminal D (3) for November 15 2009 - February 06 2010.
From November 15 2009, Aeroflot has started moving its own flights and flights operated by its partners to the new Sheremetyevo Terminal D, located next to Terminal F (Sheremetyevo 2).
In the period until February 06 2010, the new terminal will be operating Aeroflot's 77 international flights, 33 international flights by Aeroflot's partners and SkyTeam-membering carriers, Aeroflot's 38 domestic flights, 7 flights by DonAvia, and 16 by Aeroflot Nord. [/b] [/color]
Has anyone actually experienced this new terminal or is this another in a long list of teasers from AFlot? I departed from SVO2 about two weeks ago on a KLM flight and things were looking pretty dismal. Half the place was under tarps so prehaps they are getting ready to give it an overhaul next.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=It Travel]Russian Air Transport systems is undergoing a modernization. By the way with rebulinding the DME airport (nearly finished and the SVO 1 and SVO 2 airports (to different airports with several terminals if you say it properly) the runways are in common. The Russian fleet (not Aeroflot only) will grow to be the 6th in the world before Sochi 2014.
Most of the west european or former east european companies fly now to DME (Domodedovo) like OS, LH, SK, also United from/to USA is flying there... lets' say Star Alliance, others, and most of the national (non Aeroflot) airlines. Aeroflot and some Skyteam (AZ, AF, etc) are flying to SVO 1 for national 2 for international, but they are building SVO 3. Thre is no fast connection system between the airports (these are not terminals! the terminals are with the letter system inside the SVO 2 for ex. right or left when you get inside the departure lounge).
The only real problem in using one or the other is simply if you are staying in Moscow or travelling elswhere. You should try to arrive in the airport where you have the connection. Getting by car (or BUS) from SVO to DME or viceversa might be a nightmare on ground of traffic.
Despite you are checked to final destination (and your luggage too) if yoy fly Aeroflot you should allow three hours for a transfer inside SVO (national/international or viceversa) This on ground the passport control is done in SVO 2.
Safest way of transfert between SVO and DME is a stopover in Moscow! Or using the train and the metro ;).
Once, when SVO 2 was practically the only international (non CIS) airport, I was nearly loosing the plane at DME having landed in SVO 2 six hours before departure!
Mind of the time, the controls, safety things and the fact that the shortest distance between SVO and DME is 71 km (travelling via the city) otherwise it's approx. 110 km. so it might take everything from one hour (motorway all the way) to 5/6 hours if traffic james... :( :(
Just my two cents
IT[/QUOTE]
It Travel - thanks for the history lesson. But this still does not answer my question. Has anyone actually BEEN on a flight that lands or departs from SVO3. I am curious to know if it is, in fact, open and if so - how was it?
Everyone here knows that SVO2 in its current form bears almost no resemblance to DME. This is due not only to the crap facilities but to the attitudes of the cretons (no offense to people from the island of Crete) who work there. The customer experience at DME is radically DIFFERENT from SVO2 that it makes one wonder if it is the culture of the place that makes it different or if it is the brand spanking new surroundings that have changed the attitudes of the folks working at DME. Cripes, even Vnukovo has better service than SVO2.
Thank you! If I saw it earlier! And the prices are lower
I got a very negative experience with this lady. I booked her for 2 hours, she came 1 hour later explaining that there are traffic jams, also there was quite a strong smell of alcohol from her.
From what I have see on the web-site I expected an ex-model, as she claims on the site, as the prices are quite high as well! May be once she really was a model, but what I got was hardly comparable to an ex-model, may be very ex ex ex, lets say a model 20 year later after hard drinking, taking drugs and hard work!
Watching the time nervously and speaking with the accent that I could hardly understand she behaved in a strange way. I guess there is something wrong with her head.
She was very nervous and there was a strange smell from her. As for the photos, may be many years ago she really looked like that, but what I Got was a 40 year old woman with a strange smell and behavior, very nervous and rude. I paid to her 400 euro for two hours as she insisted on taking the money at the beginning and when she entered she really resembled the photos. Actually I stayed less than one hour as my brother didn't even react to her body when she undressed, (gosh, better she wouldn't have done that!) when I asked for the money back, she got so mad that I decided to leave the things as they were
A dangerous and mad one. Be careful!
[QUOTE=Pushkin13]For Hitman's mystery woman, try
[url]http://www.Dosug.CZ/[/url]
Metro = Pushkinskaya
Name = Alena.
Height = 180cm and above.
Both Pushkin and I are turning. He in his grave, me still above ground..
Enjoy (if that is the right word).
P13[/QUOTE]
Did not understood properly... ;)
But here you can find some info few flights...
[url]http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/4609401/1/[/url]
If you look at the day timetable [url]http://svo.aero/en/timetable/today/[/url] you will understand that very few planes departs there mostly national... I think we need to wait a bit of time ;) before getting a decent airport there.
By the way I failr prefer the SVO location for traffic (but you need a car transport!), but DME is better and you can get the train, but I still prefer the car.
IT
[QUOTE=Jake993]It Travel - thanks for the history lesson. But this still does not answer my question. Has anyone actually BEEN on a flight that lands or departs from SVO3. I am curious to know if it is, in fact, open and if so - how was it?
Everyone here knows that SVO2 in its current form bears almost no resemblance to DME. This is due not only to the crap facilities but to the attitudes of the cretons (no offense to people from the island of Crete) who work there. The customer experience at DME is radically DIFFERENT from SVO2 that it makes one wonder if it is the culture of the place that makes it different or if it is the brand spanking new surroundings that have changed the attitudes of the folks working at DME. Cripes, even Vnukovo has better service than SVO2.[/QUOTE]
Can you post the timetable for Domodedovo?
[url]http://www.domodedovo.ru/en/main/airindicator/departuresnew/[/url]
[QUOTE=Dymytry]Born Loser, its funny but at the moment I'm just a several hours after Bangkok-Moscow flight..) [/QUOTE]
Hehehe :) trying to have the best of both worlds, good luck, i saw lot of Russian men in pattaya last year but did not think they come to Thailand due to problems with women back home like most men do from western and other countries and get satisfied with Thai women in most occasions.
Well, after nearly 600 message in both mamba and dating.ru, i got one mobile number today, and she is pretty cool, it seems so far, it took me nearly a month to get one number yet not complaining now..never give up :)
We cant have it both ways :) will keep it updated.
[QUOTE=Hitman 66]I got a very negative experience with this lady. I booked her for 2 hours, she came 1 hour later explaining that there are traffic jams, also there was quite a strong smell of alcohol from her.
From what I have see on the web-site I expected an ex-model, as she claims on the site, as the prices are quite high as well! May be once she really was a model, but what I got was hardly comparable to an ex-model, may be very ex ex ex, lets say a model 20 year later after hard drinking, taking drugs and hard work!
Watching the time nervously and speaking with the accent that I could hardly understand she behaved in a strange way. I guess there is something wrong with her head.
She was very nervous and there was a strange smell from her. As for the photos, may be many years ago she really looked like that, but what I Got was a 40 year old woman with a strange smell and behavior, very nervous and rude. I paid to her 400 euro for two hours as she insisted on taking the money at the beginning and when she entered she really resembled the photos. Actually I stayed less than one hour as my brother didn't even react to her body when she undressed, (gosh, better she wouldn't have done that!) when I asked for the money back, she got so mad that I decided to leave the things as they were
A dangerous and mad one. Be careful![/QUOTE]Is it really so bad with her, and so much money!
I found her profile also here, is it hers?
[url]http://www.girl-directory.com/russia-escort.php?ID=16570[/url]
[QUOTE=Wasser66]Is it really so bad with her, and so much money!
I found her profile also here, is it hers?
[url]http://www.girl-directory.com/russia-escort.php?ID=16570[/url][/QUOTE]Yes, exactly!
I also met her two months ago.
The body is not young, marks of folds and cellulite, the belly is also spoilt by cakes and buns (looks like?), we tried oral, though she put it with the hands, very painful, that made my last attempts to perform anything impossible.
I couldn't get excited as she was not the girls I expected from the photos,
[url]http://www.Girl-directory.com/russia-escort.php? ID=16570[/url]
She was also visibly in bad mood and when I tried to flirt with her at the beginning of our meeting and pet her bottom she got really mad. So I would agree with the previous opinion, the behavior is not normal at all.
The accent is really very bad and not corresponding with the prices, before I was planning to spend an evening with her and gave the money for several hours at the beginning as she insisted on the telephone on this, but after what I saw, I asked for some part back and left to her just ofr an hour.
She gave it back without any problems, looked like it was not the first time when she was asked the money back
She is far behind 30ies, the photos are hers, but looks like made 10 years ago or just heavily edited.
Also she was sweating a lot and was dressed in a strange way.
Completely not what I expected to meet!
Here are the photos that are either heavily edited or just not hers or made very long ago, difficult to say now.
[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]Well, after nearly 600 message in both mamba and dating.ru, i got one mobile number today.[/QUOTE]Hell, I can get 600 numbers in 1 day!
[QUOTE=LifeSavour]Hell, I can get 600 numbers in 1 day![/QUOTE]
How did you do that....or are they just 1 2 3 4 5 6 numbers :) or better 666 number
Hi Everyone,
First of all, thanks for the great posts.
I will be in Moscow in early Feb. Its my first time and I am VERY excited to sample the women. However, I am VERY fearful of mongering, esp in Russia, where I don't know the language and VERY WORRIED of getting caught or being put in a bad situation.
From the limited research I have done on this site (I need to do more research), its seems like the safest bet for someone like me is to check out one of the Salons, particularly Fantasy or Charmel. I don't mind spending a little more money in order to have a more safe experience.
Does anyone have any other guidance. Also, will I be able to get into the Salons without any knowledge of the Russian language? Do any of these places speak English?
Any advice is greatly welcomed
Cheers
Which is the rate of the girls i N.Fligh please? It can be dealt?
United,
Living here in Russia since 2 years, I can say that getting no russian at all will be an issue for you.
Sometimes, the girls from the saloon, as soon as they understand thatyour are a foreigner, will find a girl with a broken english, but it won't be enough in most of the cases.
the other options you get are the folllowing:
- Night flight or Hot dog (prices from 10K to 15k)
- Taking a taxi to go to Totchkas (same prices, but issue with policemen is still possible)
- use rusdosug and call women with an english text in their ads (1 or 2 over 10 will really speak english)
- find a free newspaper called "moscow times" which is 100% in english, and find out the ads. Just call and service on phone will be 100% in english. That's the luck of the draw as you will not see the girl before she knock at your door, but I did twice at the beginning of my russian experience and was always very happy. They usually sends to you 2 girls so you can choose. All in all, my favorite options if you don"t speak russian. And you can still say no thanks if goblins just show out
[QUOTE=United1]
In Moscow I will be VERY FEARFUL AND WORRIED of getting caught.
[/QUOTE]
You've been afraid of getting caught somewhere else before, and/or there's just something about Russia that makes you more afraid of getting caught?
O.P.F. = Orgasm Prevention Forces
United,
You might want to try Aurora 911. It's centrally located, so it's easy to find. Lots of beautiful babes, most of whom are available for whatever you might have in mind. In addition to the private dances, there is also sex-on-premises in the private apartments, and the stage show ain't bad either.
It's pretty much idiot-proof. Just make sure you bring LOTS of money: you won't find any bargains in Moscow unless you speak the lingo.
Not sure about the language barrier, but I'm sure you can find someone there who speaks English, at least a "leetle beet".
[QUOTE=United1]
From the limited research I have done on this site (I need to do more research), its seems like the safest bet for someone like me is to check out one of the Salons, particularly Fantasy or Charmel. I don't mind spending a little more money in order to have a more safe experience.[/QUOTE]
The Big Three (as I call Fantasys, Charmel and Elit TV) are extremely safe and discreet, but you'll have a rough time if you don't speak any Russian and don't have a wingman who can help you through it.
I'd recommend hitting NF and HD, on the off-chance you hit it off with one of the girls there. I never pay more than 8K at HD for all night, standard sex. NF will likely be in the 12-15 range. If nothing floats your boat, hit the streets (and the tochkas). Chance that they speak English will be very low, but it's the best avenue for low-mileage pussy.
And if you have any game at all, are under 55 and reasonably good-looking and/or stylish, then try some of the expat-friendly clubs. After a year of financial crisis, the local girls are more eager than ever to meet foreigners -- back to 2002 days IMHO. Last time I was in a club, I waited and let the girls approach me.
Also, for God's sake learn a few basic Russian phrases. Trust me, you'll be glad you did!
[QUOTE=LifeSavour]Hell, I can get 600 numbers in 1 day![/QUOTE]12 messages & 45 minutes?
SUPER STAR!
I just saw that the club I referred to in the below posting, is not 'Che' but was 'Chi', Oops! wrong vowel. 'Chi' is a Chinese restuarant Bar at
15/2 Lubyansky and there is 'La Mur' downstairs which is a very priced and friendly strip club. This is just a couple of blocks away from 'Che' which is 10/2 Nikolskaya ul.
[QUOTE=Nickc]Regards the report on 'Che'.
i visited 'La Mur' a month ago (15/2 Lubyansky Pr), it was downstairs.
On the ground level was a club called Che.
Would this be the same Che your writing about?
The Che Website saids 10/2 Nikolskaya ul., which is up the road and left??
Maybe its the Twilight Zone.
Anyway La Mur was OK, lots of different girls and well priced.
Certainly not top end but they were fun. It was more real and friendly than some of those glossy fake clubs.
Interestingly, if you walk out of La Mur, walk 20 metres up the road and turn right onto Maroseyka Ul there were a few girls following men walking past and offering services. The men were probably just walking home and took it light heartedly. Then there was some guys in a car who honked and yahooed at this other girl just standing there, who just smiled and waved back. So i guess its safe to assume this was some street action about 9.30 pm. About time Moscow had some of this.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=United1]
Does anyone have any other guidance. Also, will I be able to get into the Salons without any knowledge of the Russian language? Do any of these places speak English?
Any advice is greatly welcomed
Cheers[/QUOTE]
United,
Sounds like good advice from the Moscow Rezidents. The only thing I would add is that you can always call ISG's own favorite Management Consultant Victoria2005 ([url]www.sweet-dreams.ru[/url]) Several of us on this forum have called the number on the site and received excellent home delivery service at competitive prices. This is a excellent option for early in your visit if you are feeling hesitant about venturing out on your own. The dispatcher (Anastasia) speaks quite reasonable English so the communication will not be a problem. She will even respond to your emails. Just follow her goofy instructions (and they do seem a bit goofy) and she will fix you up with company for the evening at your hotel or apartment. No guarantees, but if you are not completely satisfied, I will be be QUITE surprised.
Have fun,
Jake
Note: (No financial or other consideration was given in the pimping..... er, recommendation of this service)
[QUOTE=Jake993]Several of us on this forum have called the number on the site and received excellent home delivery service at competitive prices.[/QUOTE]Or you can also PM Victoria2005 and she can set you up with one of the girls as well. If your time on the ground is limited, you might want to arrange for a meeting in advance.
Hallo,
I will visit Moscow in February. I planned an evening in the Hungry Duck but realized that this Bar is closed. I am now looking for other Striptease Bars, Discos etc to meet the nice Russian girls.
One of my favouirites is the night flight, but this will be rather expensive.
Does anyone have good tipps for me to go?
Many thanks in advance
Matthi
Hallo,
I will visit Moscow in February and planned a nice evening in the Hungry Duck. Now I realized this famous Striptease Bar is closed.
I am now looking for some alternatives, Striptease Bars or Discos to meet the nice russian girls.
One of my favourites is the "Night flight" which seems to be rather expensive.
Does anyone have ideas where I could go to?
Thanks in advance
Matthi
From what I've read the original plan was to refurbish the Duck in a major way, which would take several months.
It seems it's still not open but they have a new website, which seems to confirm the above - no point in having a new site if you are closing. The schedule on [url]http://www.hungryduck.net/?ldi=allafisha[/url] seems to suggest that parties will start again on the 26th. That would make a lot of sense - the New Year zapoi is coming up.
The plan is apparently to open Wed-Sun and on holidays. Whilst I have missed the true glory days of the Duck, I still have fond memories of the first time a non-pro gave me a blowjob in a club.
[QUOTE=Matthi Fre]Hallo,
I will visit Moscow in February and planned a nice evening in the Hungry Duck. Now I realized this famous Striptease Bar is closed.
I am now looking for some alternatives, Striptease Bars or Discos to meet the nice russian girls.
One of my favourites is the "Night flight" which seems to be rather expensive.
Does anyone have ideas where I could go to?
Thanks in advance
Matthi[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SlutLover]From what I've read the original plan was to refurbish the Duck in a major way, which would take several months.
[/QUOTE]
I doubt this is going to happen, as I walked by there in the past month and it is now a Kruzhka (a chain of cheap Russian restaurants). The interior is basically the same (I poked my head in), but it's no longer even called the Hungry Duck.
That's a pity ... I guess 1999 will never happen again!
[url]www.hungryduck.net[/url] has more details now: the successor to the Duck, on Lesnaya 30, will be called Jackal's Night Club. There has been some delay in opening it because of Health & Safety issues (most likely government pressure following the Perm disaster).
Is it deteriorating, or is it just me getting old?
I have been there for two nights in a row and all I get is phone numbers!
[QUOTE=SlutLover]Is it deteriorating, or is it just me getting old?
I have been there for two nights in a row and all I get is phone numbers![/QUOTE] Depends on the night. Wednesday and Thurs are not what they used to be but Fri and Sat seems to be full of drunks sluts but you have to wait until 3:00 AM.
Hungry duck closed or not reopened Real McCoy deteriorating:
So when I visit Moscow the "Nightflight" is my onliest chance? Could be expensive!
[QUOTE=Jake993]RM, thanks for the lecture - seriously. Nicely done and explained.
My prediction is that on December 31, 2009 oil will be at between $82 - $96. A year later(December 31, 2010), that $147 we saw lat summer is going to look like a fond memory. [/QUOTE]
Well Jake its the end of 2009 and as you and I both implied against quite a bit of amateur mockery back in February when oil prices were around $40, the price has indeed risen strongly. In fact its risen by about 100%, making your call above, quite an excellent one. Its less than 5% from the $82 target you had the balls to lay out back in February.
You sir, deserve a beer.
[QUOTE=Roger Mellie]Well Jake its the end of 2009 and as you and I both implied against quite a bit of amateur mockery back in February when oil prices were around $40, the price has indeed risen strongly. In fact its risen by about 100%, making your call above, quite an excellent one. Its less than 5% from the $82 target you had the balls to lay out back in February.
You sir, deserve a beer.[/QUOTE]Thanks Roger. Good of you to notice. It's nice to see that the forces of real supply and demand still work. Of course, once it becomes interesting for the speculators to get back in to the game, WHO KNOWS where the price will go?
A Happy New Year to all of you mongers out there. I wish you all a healthy, successful and prosperous 2010.
Perhaps the Real McCoy is not what it used to be, but there is still hope.
I scored a student freebie (L) there the day I complained (Dec 26th) and on the 29th, invited both L (22-23?) and her hot 20-year old friend M to a "party" in my apartment. After some drink, we sat there with M in my left arm and L in my right and intense French kissing in both directions. Two rum & cokes later, L suggested I should "fuck them in turn" as she was embarrassed to have group sex with her best friend.
After the deed was done with L, L passed out and was in such a stupor that she could not even hear M and myself breaking the bed and moving the mattress onto the floor next to her. In the morning, L and M, who were leaving to visit their families in the New Year, suggested we should have more parties like this! This after a similar incident, also McCoy-based, with two Yakutian chicks during the 2009 New Year holidays.
Now I hope they'll get US visas so they can both accompany me to NY and Silicon Valley on a memorable two-week business trip in May.
Long live the Real McCoy and its continuing (if perhaps slower-flowing) supply of horny sluts!
[QUOTE=Jake993]Depends on the night. Wednesday and Thurs are not what they used to be but Fri and Sat seems to be full of drunks sluts but you have to wait until 3:00 AM.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SlutLover]...
Long live the Real McCoy and its continuing (if perhaps slower-flowing) supply of horny sluts![/QUOTE]
SlutLover,
that's what I call a good way to start the new year....thanks for remember us, stuck at home, how can be pure heaven the motherland Russia ! ( maybe I should think to come again... )
Long life to Russia and congratulation to You ;)
I hope you could enjoy the threesome in the big Apple :D
S novy godom
P.S. do not forget to share some photos with us, no matter if with covered face ;)
С Новым годом!
And as of today, I'm stuck at home as well ... I really need to move east. If anyone has any suggestions (websites, advice...) regarding job search in the Moscow financial sector, please let me know.
[QUOTE=Lukasek]SlutLover,
that's what I call a good way to start the new year....thanks for remember us, stuck at home, how can be pure heaven the motherland Russia ! ( maybe I should think to come again... )
Long life to Russia and congratulation to You ;)
I hope you could enjoy the threesome in the big Apple :D
S novy godom
P.S. do not forget to share some photos with us, no matter if with covered face ;)[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SlutLover]
Long live the Real McCoy and its continuing (if perhaps slower-flowing) supply of horny sluts![/QUOTE]
Good luck on their US visas... Even though the US embassy claims that it issues visas to 90% of the Russians who apply, I've heard lots of stories of young Russian girls (and guys for that matter) getting denied. They must prove adequate income and a need to return to Russia (namely property, kid(s), employment, etc).
Anyway, I've had such horrible luck on my past visits to RM, that I haven't bothered to return in several months. Every single time, I'd be amazed at how disgusting the whole crowd was - from the sleazy expats to the chunky and/or aging sluts looking for any male attention they could garner. Glad your experience was better -- maybe it's improving as the crisis here continues.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]
Anyway, I've had such horrible luck on my past visits to RM, that I haven't bothered to return in several months. Every single time, I'd be amazed at how disgusting the whole crowd was - from the sleazy expats to the chunky and/or aging sluts looking for any male attention they could garner. Glad your experience was better -- maybe it's improving as the crisis here continues.[/QUOTE] I have found the liberal use of alcohol to be effective in improving the appearance of the female patrons of RM.... ;)
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Good luck on their US visas... Even though the US embassy claims that it issues visas to 90% of the Russians who apply, I've heard lots of stories of young Russian girls (and guys for that matter) getting denied. They must prove adequate income and a need to return to Russia (namely property, kid(s), employment, etc)..[/QUOTE]x2. I'd love to take a US holiday with a dyev, but the kind of cute 21-yr olds I'd take seem like the type that have a snowball's chance in hell of getting a visa.
Keep us posted SL!
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Anyway, I've had such horrible luck on my past visits to RM, that I haven't bothered to return in several months. Every single time, I'd be amazed at how disgusting the whole crowd was - from the sleazy expats to the chunky and/or aging sluts looking for any male attention they could garner. Glad your experience was better -- maybe it's improving as the crisis here continues.[/QUOTE]Me too, although admittedly can't even really remember when I was last there. Still, can't remember liking that place since about 2003.
Where we there together? Some of our club nights are pretty hazy... )
Been wondering about the place, but there's some other places on the to do list first.
Sounds like it's improved though, so....
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]
Me too, although admittedly can't even really remember when I was last there. Still, can't remember liking that place since about 2003.
Were we there together? Some of our club nights are pretty hazy... )
Been wondering about the place, but there's some other places on the to do list first.
Sounds like it's improved though, so....[/QUOTE]
Can't recall being there with you, Doc. Though I do remember an incident about a year ago, when our very own Jake called and woke me at 2am to tell me that it was 'pussy galore' at RM and that I needed to join him - drinks on him. I arrived around 2:30am to find Jake three (maybe four) sheets to the wind and a room full of ugly (though admittedly desperate and clearly ready-to-fuck) chicks. Being a man of high standards (unfortunately sometimes), no amount of alcohol ingestion could compensate for that level of foulness.
That said, I do like the bartenders and the Long Islands there. And the food ain't half bad either. Given its proximity to my pad (within stumbling distance of home), I'd be grateful if they were attracting better/younger talent these days.
Thanks to this forum I am staying at the Korsten Hotel. Got a great rate of $130 a night including taxes (rack rate is $180 plus) and man this place seems cool so far.
Free breakfast buffet was excellent. And with 6 or 7 restaurants on premises this should keep me busy.
And of course with Club 911 just downstairs I am looking forward to an interesting few weeks (I may be here for a month).
I am here to meet a gal I met online (I was married to a girl from moscow for 10 years) and see how that goes but in the meantime I am going to check out all Moscow has to offer. I have been to Russian 15+ times over the past 20 years but always SPB.
Anyone wants to grab a beer let me know. I will be reporting as I go along.
I will be paying the reg fee here shortly so I will be able to get PM's. I spent last year roaming China, Singapore and Phillipines.
Hi Susudio
How did you make such a deal with KORSTON to get a room at 3'900RUB per night ?
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]... Jake...and a room full of ugly (though admittedly desperate and clearly ready-to-fuck) chicks...[/QUOTE]
Privetik Pizdyets,
do you mean Jake993 ?!
Really ? :) So far as I know him, he has high standard too, so I hardly imagine him between ugly girls....
Hey Jake993 say something ;)
[QUOTE=Lukasek]Privetik Pizdyets,
do you mean Jake993 ?!
Really ? :) So far as I know him, he has high standard too, so I hardly imagine him between ugly girls....
Hey Jake993 say something ;)[/QUOTE]
Privet Luka!
Yes, I'm talking about the one and only Jake993. And let's just say that his standards drop substantially after a fifth of JW Black with a mojito chaser. But at least he maintains consciousness!
Anyone know why the ladies on Craigslist do not reply to E Mail.
I sent about 15 e mails, but did not receive any responses.
Any suggestions for incalls near the Hilton Hotel?
Thanks
Craigslist? In Moscow??
This is a joke, right???
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Privet Luka!
Yes, I'm talking about the one and only Jake993. And let's just say that his standards drop substantially after a fifth of JW Black with a mojito chaser. But at least he maintains consciousness![/QUOTE] Did I not just say that alcohol improves the scenery at RM?
Hey come on guys, ya gotta give an old guy a break here. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Let me pose a question - If you don't remember what she looks like, is she still an ugly chick?
Didn't anyone ever tell you that the "ugly filter" doesn't work with girls less than half your age? ;)
[QUOTE=Johntodd]Anyone know why the ladies on Craigslist do not reply to E Mail.
I sent about 15 e mails, but did not receive any responses.
Any suggestions for incalls near the Hilton Hotel?
Thanks[/QUOTE]
JT - let us know how the Hilton is. I have been meaning to try staying there. I usually rent an apartment in Moscow but I am a Gold VIP Hilton Honors member and have been curious.
Dobry vecer Jake, we were waiting for you here ;)
That's very good:
[QUOTE=Jake993]...
Didn't anyone ever tell you that the "ugly filter" doesn't work with girls less than half your age? ;)[/QUOTE]
and I totally agree. I dated a local girl, 15 yo younger than me and I could forgive her even an hairy pussy :D
Honestly alcol is good when you are in a place with no top notch girls, ( read my first week in Rio without know termas ), couple of drinks and the scenary totally changes....as they say in CZ... "po 5 pivo kazda je krasna" and I guess no need to translate for the ones here speaking russian ;)
[QUOTE=Jake993]
Did I not just say that 3 liters of 180 proof grain alcohol improves the water buffalos at RM?
Hey come on guys, I thought she was a 9.5, (on the Richter Scale), when she walked in and all the tables shook and the glasses rattled.
Beastliness is in the eye of the beheamoth.
I don't remember what she looks like, because my optic nerves ruptured and I went blind?
[/QUOTE]
Let us HELP you to remember, old man.
Bring back any memories of your bovine exploits?
[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]Let us HELP you to remember, old man.
Bring back any memories of your bovine exploits?[/QUOTE]
Hey!!! That's my sister!!!!! Or is it your sister? I forget.
[QUOTE=Scoubidou]Hi Susudio
How did you make such a deal with KORSTON to get a room at 3'900RUB per night ?[/QUOTE]I know huh? Even I was surprised. This time it was 1800HOTELS. Had to pay all in advance but it was worth it. Took them up on the airport pick as well. From DOMO $92 but well worth it, private car and very professional, goes on hotel bill also.
I booked for 5 days but now I am going to a hotel near the girl I met.
The free buffet from 7am. 5pm is excellent too! Especially w jet lag I can actually make it on time!
Very quiet hotel. But a lot of bars and restaurants. Especially if you like Asian food. Lots of Asians here and Sushi is just downstairs.
[QUOTE=Jake993]JT - let us know how the Hilton is. I have been meaning to try staying there. I usually rent an apartment in Moscow but I am a Gold VIP Hilton Honors member and have been curious.[/QUOTE]Hilton is fine, Jake. Possible to live.
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]Hilton is fine, Jake. Possible to live.[/QUOTE] Thanks Helena - and Happy New Year. I assume that the Hilton is "girls friendly"?
[QUOTE=Sususudio]
Very quiet hotel. But a lot of bars and restaurants. Especially if you like Asian food. Lots of Asians here and Sushi is just downstairs.[/QUOTE]
Quiet? Guess things have changed since they shut down all the casinos. Anyway, wholeheartedly agree with you on the Asian food there -- it's some of the best (if not [b]the[/b] best) in town.
[QUOTE=Jake993]Hey!!! That's my sister!!!!! Or is it your sister? I forget.[/QUOTE]
In my obviously ultra-over the top fun-poke joke-quote of Jake's funny attempt to explain his way out and excuse himself for barrel-bottom fishing with the gutter girls at Real McCoy, after Pizdyonka made his OWN joke about Jake's drinking skills, a surprisingly over-sensitive PezDispenser has taken me to task that I WENT TOO FAR.
Since my delete option time-limit has expired, I hereby state that I retract my post, and will impose a sentence of self-banishishment until I learn my lesson. I will have to make one exception to defend myself in the Moldova gallery, where I was bogusly accused of posting a stolen foto. Even Jackson had to explain to the coward that his attack is meritless without a reference to where I supposedly stole it from, which is impossible since she's OBVIOUSLY my model anyway.
Back at work now anyway, 5 yr contract.
Shire zhopy ne pyornesh!
[quote=bez bezarra]in my obviously ultra-over the top fun-poke joke-quote of jake's funny attempt to explain his way out and excuse himself for barrel-bottom fishing with the gutter girls at real mccoy, after pizdyonka made his own joke about jake's drinking skills, a surprisingly over-sensitive pezdispenser has taken me to task that i went too far.
since my delete option time-limit has expired, i hereby state that i retract my post, and will impose a sentence of self-banishishment until i learn my lesson. i will have to make one exception to defend myself in the moldova gallery, where i was bogusly accused of posting a stolen foto. even jackson had to explain to the coward that his attack is meritless without a reference to where i supposedly stole it from, which is impossible since she's obviously my model anyway.
back at work now anyway, 5 yr contract.
shire zhopy ne pyornesh![/quote] bez, i am speechless. while i am in no way foolish enough to think of this as an apology, a retraction speaks volumes about you as a member of this online community and i must say i do appreciate the gesture.
now, if i could just figure out how to stop chasing ugly women when i'm drunk then i would have 2010 nailed. ;)
Why not fuck ugly women? It's fun.
[QUOTE=SlutLover]Why not fuck ugly women? It's fun.[/QUOTE]SL, you bring up a good topic for discussion. It's always been my contention that ugly chicks are much better performers. I mean, come on - the cute girls have been acting like b1tches since time immemorial. Stringing us along, teasing us, playing hard to get, playing us off one against the other for their affections. Fuck that!!!
But the ugly ones - ahhhh, the ugly ducklings - they KNOW what they have to do to get noticed.
Oh sure, it's always great to hunt down a gorgeous gal and get her in the sack. Maybe she will perform - maybe she won't. Or maybe she'll just lie there like a side of beef while you screw her. No thanks.
But I have never, ever fucked an ugly girl (I'm not talking hideous troll now) who didn't try her level best to please me. You gotta respect the effort.
Let's hear one for the plain ugly girls.
[QUOTE=Jake993]SL, you bring up a good topic for discussion. It's always been my contention that ugly chicks are much better performers....[/QUOTE]
Indeed it is a good topic and generally I agree with you Jake, but the next question is: do you enjoy more a perfect BJ from average girl or a BJ "so and so" from a model top notch ?
Personally, if I close my eyes, so surely I'd prefer the first case, but so far as I never turn off the light and I never close my eyes, so for me is much better the second case.
No doubt a top notch girls tease us, they are hard to get and so on, but....but I really prefer to be deep "inside" a great looking girl, even if she is not so passionate, instead of passionate average, or ugly, girl.
Even more, it is much easier to turn a cold princess in passionate girl, instead to make ugly girl look beautiful and cheaper too :D
And it is also true, that not every ugly girl is great in bed, so if model is not passionate, I get at least satisfied with her look, but if later you discover that ugly girl is average in bed.....well for me it is a total disaster !
Jake I understand your point, not undervalue the average girls, they can be a nice surprise in bed, but... what about the surprise to get a top notch girl, that is friendly, intelligent and great in bed ? This kind of girl is often a FSU girl, that's why we love so much FSU, where the % of good girls in bed is high even between beautiful girls.
Out of FSU I total agree with you, top notch girls are very often frozen fishes, so for me it is more a matter about which kind of nationality the girls are from.
It also matter if you get for free the ugly and how much you pay the top notch girl, I do not mind to spend, or waste a bullet, with average girl so far as she is regular girl, but well, if I have to pay, I hope she will respects my effort to get an unforgettable night for both us ;)
Cheers :)
I saw Julia on these sites :
[url]http://www.girl-directory.com/russia-escort.php?ID=16570[/url] and
[url]http://www.sexyindependentescorts.com/list/listing-independent-552.html[/url]
Several months ago and after several letters decided to invite her to my hotel when I am in Moscow. The price was too much and I aksed for a small discount, she immediately agreed.
When the woman went into my room it seemed to me that her face was strained and tired, looked like she had had several customers before me. Her hair smelled not fresh as well, under the eyes there were bruises- I could imagine that shehad been working intensely.
She stopped being more or less friendly after she got her 250 euro. Also on the telephone I didn't feel that so much, but she had terrible accent that was hard to understand, so after some short time I just stopped trying to make some kind of conversation and decided to get to the process. She was not against, immediately went to the bathroom.
Before tried to torture me with the question if I had a shower or not, but so far she was one hour late I explained it to her several times that I had enough time to get cleaned. When she went to the bathroom I wondered why she was so persistent about my going to the bathroom, may be to steal something and leave. It could be like this as the continuation was just even worse. The beginning was just frustrating, but I decided to go on, just wondered how far these girls can go.
So when she came from the bathroom and I put a way the towel she was holding, I discovered that she has not tits at all! Where are the tits, I was thinking trying to get my Brother act or move, also she was fat, the ass looked miserable. I lied down thinking that after such a fake as her site and the photos on the site she could at least be more active to work out the money she took from me. She began to perform something that could be oral in a rubber, without initiative and nearly dyeing. I understood that there will be no use in all these and decided to finish with the meeting, took her from behind and tried from the back helping my brother with the hand, She was absolutely dry and squeezed my legs with hers in the way for me not to be able to go deep. I was on the edge of throwing her out of my room exactly at this moment but kept myself from doing it, try not to be rude with women whoever they are.
After unsuccessful attempts of getting what I have paid for, I asked her for message. She tried to show that she is performing a kind of message, that was in fact pinching me with her cold hands. I asked to stop, she looking unsatisfied and lied down as though waiting when I let her go home. Also want to add that the telephone was ringing all the time until I asked her to switch it off. I was again as angry as I wanted to throw her out of my room and in fact that was what I did.
I took her bag and threw it to the door demanding to return 150 euro, explaining that instead of a young happy escort girl from the photos I got an old tired street prostitute that can hardly speak English and is not able to perform anything for the money that took from me. I saw that it made some effect, at least she understood, she looked frightened, took the bag and disappeared in the bathroom. I confirmed my intention to take my money back telling her that I could ask for a guards of the hotel (that I would never do) and tell him that she stole some things from me. I was so angry that was ready for this!
Looked like she also didn't want a scandal as was a frequent visitor of the hotel. She came out of the bathroom, put 150 euro on the table and silently went away.
I have never had such a disgusting escort experience as that! Instead of a girl from the photo I had a cheap shabby bold *****, who is in her late 30ies.
The photos resemble her, but in reality she is fatter with no bust much older and more simple.
[url]http://www.escort24h.net/escorts/gallery/Julia2.html[/url]
[url]http://www.sexyindependentescorts.com/list/listing-independent-552.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Flexxx Yap]
I have never had such a disgusting escort experience as that! Instead of a girl from the photo I had a cheap shabby bold *****, who is in her late 30ies.
The photos resemble her, but in reality she is fatter with no bust much older and more simple.
[/QUOTE]
Where's Dexter when you need him?!? Dial the digits, hang up the visqueen, shprits of M99, slice on the cheek, and put this aging wh0re out of her misery! Seriously, I've never seen so much vitriol over a single woman ever in this forum.
The best kind is beautiful and stupid. Those are the real gems.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Seriously, I've never seen so much vitriol over a single woman ever in this forum.[/QUOTE]or as P.T. Barnum used to say, "There's a sucker born every minute."
[QUOTE=Jake993][b]Aeroflot moves its own and partners' flights from Sheremetyevo Terminals 1, F (2) and see to Terminal the (3) for November 15 2009. February 06 2010.
From November 15 2009, Aeroflot has started moving its own flights and flights operated by its partners to the new Sheremetyevo Terminal D, located next to Terminal F (Sheremetyevo 2).
In the period until February 06 2010, the new terminal will be operating Aeroflot's 77 international flights, 33 international flights by Aeroflot's partners and SkyTeam-membering carriers, Aeroflot's 38 domestic flights, 7 flights by DonAvia, and 16 by Aeroflot Nord. [/b]
Has anyone actually experienced this new terminal or is this another in a long list of teasers from AFlot? I departed from SVO2 about two weeks ago on a KLM flight and things were looking pretty dismal. Half the place was under tarps so prehaps they are getting ready to give it an overhaul next.[/QUOTE]Should I have seen a change on an international arrival on Dec 1 from Dubai? It looked like the same arrival point I experienced the previous December on the same flight.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Where's Dexter when you need him?!? Dial the digits, hang up the visqueen, shprits of M99, slice on the cheek, and put this aging wh0re out of her misery! Seriously, I've never seen so much vitriol over a single woman ever in this forum.[/QUOTE] This would NEVER have happened with an ugly girl. ;)
[QUOTE=Jake993]SL, you bring up a good topic for discussion. It's always been my contention that ugly chicks are much better performers. I mean, come on - the cute girls have been acting like b1tches since time immemorial. Stringing us along, teasing us, playing hard to get, playing us off one against the other for their affections. Fuck that!!!
But the ugly ones - ahhhh, the ugly ducklings - they KNOW what they have to do to get noticed.
Oh sure, it's always great to hunt down a gorgeous gal and get her in the sack. Maybe she will perform - maybe she won't. Or maybe she'll just lie there like a side of beef while you screw her. No thanks.
But I have never, ever fucked an ugly girl (I'm not talking hideous troll now) who didn't try her level best to please me. You gotta respect the effort.
Let's hear one for the plain ugly girls.[/QUOTE]
This must be worldwide. One of the best lays in my life was with a plain-looking bargirl when I was stationed in Korea years ago. She was better that any of the hotter ones I chased.
magic501
[QUOTE=Magic501]This must be worldwide. One of the best lays in my life was with a plain-looking bargirl when I was stationed in Korea years ago. She was better that any of the hotter ones I chased.
magic501[/QUOTE]
Stunners might be like dogs in bed... normal ones are usually hot and doing all you want! Stunners get customers in any case...
If you want the "Sharapova style girl" you have to go in the far province (1-2 hours flight from Moscow at least), and it might be that in a tocka made up by a taxi driver you can find a teen beauty for 200-300 USD/night and she will work like a mine digger! But it's a "maybe"... but if you get a 5/6 girl, tell her you will stay for a while, be sure she will blow like a vacuum cleaner. She needs the $$$ and want to be called more times....
The rule is the same everywhere!
IT
I usually visit St.Petersburg for my business in Russia, but I will have a few days in Moscow very soon.
I'm staying at Peter the One hotel - can anyone advise if it is girl friendly? I've been to Niteflite in the past with mixed experience. Can anyone advise somewhere near to my hotel as a good place to go and find some providers?
Thanks
WM
[QUOTE=Wolfie Mike]I usually visit St.Petersburg for my business in Russia, but I will have a few days in Moscow very soon.
I'm staying at Peter the One hotel - can anyone advise if it is girl friendly? I've been to Niteflite in the past with mixed experience. Can anyone advise somewhere near to my hotel as a good place to go and find some providers?
Thanks
WM[/QUOTE]Peter 1 is girl-friendly and there are also some pros working there, although when interviewed they were too expensive and more significantly, not all that attractive.
Taken several girlfriends home to there though, no questions asked.
Some nearby places:
Literally right around the corner from stripclub 911 Aurora.
Down the street from Cafe Vogue, some overpriced over-yeared hos there.
About 5 minute walk from Karma Bar. (Disco/no pros)
About 7 minute walk from Coyote Ugly. (Bar/disco/no pros)
About 10 minute walk from Pasha (elite disco)
About 12 minute walk from Che (party bar/club)
About 17 minute walk from Night Flight and more significantly, straight shot short taxi ride FROM NF. TO NF it is easier to walk.
Lots of other places in immediate vicinity. Nice hotel.
My advice: if you want to pursue freebie type girls, try Che or Karma Bar or Pasha (if you are brave).
If you want pros and can speak Russian, use internet to find provider at salon or a girl to come to your hotel. Salons are about $80/hour and girl coming to hotel about $150/2 hours up to $300+.
If you want pros and can not speak Russian, either NF or CF (Hot Dog) are options... or hotel girls. Considering the economy and the time of year, $200/3hours should be your goal for taking a girl to your room. They'll start at $400 or $500, but really nobody actually pays that much.
Doctor,
Many thanks for your advice - I have fun lined up in St. petersburg before coming down to Moscow. I'll post my findings.
WM
[QUOTE=Jake993]Thanks Helena - and Happy New Year. I assume that the Hilton is "girls friendly"?[/QUOTE]More or less. If you come in with a girl, noone cares. If she comes by herself she must call you from reception and you confirm that you expecting her. On the way back better see her out.
Happy New Year to you, too ;)
EXCUSE ME ALSO POSTING THIS HERE, IT IS A REPORT THAT SOME FROM THIS FORUM HAVE BEEN REQUESTING ME TO WRITE.
Evening all.
Heres my report on Vladivostok, excuse my lateness with it.
I’ve now been there several times.
N.B. N.B. N. B. Some quite personal points I’ve blanked for reasons of discretion for others, so just PM me and I’ll send you full copy.
Vladivostok is a stunning city, It has a true Russian heart, only years after the fall of communism was it finally opened to the public. I treat the city and people with respect. It is nothing like Moscow. Moscow is literally a world apart from Vladivostok. They don’t like Moscow. Vladivostok business pays a lot of tax to Moscow and very little of it ever comes back this way. If I was Russian and lived in Moscow I’d catch the Trans Siberian and go live in Vladivostok. It’s a lot more sophisticated and natural than dirty old Moscow. The people seem a happier beside the Pacific Ocean in Vladivostok.
To start with here are a few sites of interest.
Read the lonely planet guide to Russian chapter Vladivostok.
[url]http://vladivostoktimes.com/travel/?s=100[/url]
[url]http://vladivostoktimes.com[/url]
[url]http://primorochki.ru/[/url]
[url]http://vladsex.net/[/url]
[url]http://www.maxi-m.com/model_agency/portfolio/girls/[/url]
[url]http://www.frontier.co.jp/Buromskih%20Irina1.htm[/url] I think a lot of you may recognise Irina from somewhere else?!? Her Art photo name is Anya. [url]http://www.mplstudios.com/anya.htm[/url]
She is from Vladivostok.
The ‘maxi’ and ‘frontier’ websites are are odd, I never took part with them myself, but you can actually arrange to meet these women for dates?! this being aimed at the expensive Japanese Market. And therein lye’s the difference between Vladivostok and the rest of Russian. It is on the Pacific Ocean close to Japan, Korea and of course China. Those influences abound in tourism and also business. Many of the kids learn languages like Japanese and Korean. thats good sense. Vladivostok is not really like provincial Russia, it is on the Pacific Ocean, it has bustling business with Japan, Korea and China.
There are many hotels there. Google search them but I’ve always stayed at Hotel Vladivostok. It is classed 3 star but it was great. Large double room, fridge, TV, tiled shower and bathroom, desk etc but what really makes it 10 star is the stunning beautiful sea views. It is on a cliff top above a beach below. The foyer is modern, little shops and cafe. Breakfast is included in the room price. It is buffet in a grand restaurant that looks out over the Ocean. The city and Harbour and beaches and parks and buildings are beautiful. The hotel is easy walking distance to city and beach and bars and cafes. Just a short walk along the seafront. Yep! if I could I’ld live there forever.
It is actually 2 hotels, Hotel Vladivostok above the cliff and the other over the road embedded into the cliff Hotel Amursky Zaiv right on the beach. They are run by the same management.
PM me and I will send you full copy of below
So with all that on offer, they are going to get you and even if you make it past all that, they will ring you in your room. Just like Hotel California you can never leave and there is no escape. And even if you don’t answer the phone they will break down the door and put a girl in your bed and make you a cup of tea. Just joshing on that last bit.
I went in late Summer, early September sunny hot days and open windowed sea breeze nights.
[url]http://www.azimuthotels.ru/en/hotels/vladivostok/about_hotel/[/url]
Is the Hotel website. They have a chain of hotels. Book a comfort double room on the ninth floor. 2700 roubles, compare that with Moscow. Do not the book the Hotel Amursky Zaiv option, that is the hotel over the road which is a good hotel but i have only limited knowledge of it. Several years back it was a dump but on my most recent visit I discovered Hotel Amursky Zaiv has had a stunning renovation. Its slightly cheaper if that fits. It is also run by Hotel Vladivostok. In actuality to complicate things further they are buildling a new Hotel Vladivostok behind the present one. It is going to tower above and have views both sides of the Harbour. It will be 5 star. It is suppose to be finished ahead of APEC. Because there building the new 5 star Hotel Vladivostok they don’rtreally renovate the old Hotel Vladivostok anymore, so don’t trip up on any worn carpet in some hallways.
Use [url]http://unifest.ru/en/about.html[/url] to book airfare from Moscow to Vlad, they are good and well priced. You can book online then pick your tickets up in Moscow at their office or they can send them to you. They seem to have the best rates online and are reputable. If your going the other way, fly thru Seoul if you can get a fair airfare but Korean Air charges extortionate rates for the 1.5 hr flight from Seoul to Vladivostok. First time I went I went by ship from Korea, that was a real adventure. Do a search on my previous reports on that. I have lately been looking at flights through China. Whatever do protest at a Korean Air office over the rates they charge for such a short flight. There is some online protest over that. Its not the money, its just I don’t like being ripped off.
I also met girls through Mamba there and meet women through various cafes and bars. One girl I meet thru Mamba was great. She’s 19 and a sweet girl. I arranged to meet her at Studio Cafe and she rang me 20 minutes late and said she'ld be 30 minutes, then she rang 30 minutes later and said she'ld be another 30 minutes, then she turned up in a taxi 40 minutes after that. She's a sweet girl, some may call her a spinner, or a little loose but to me she was an angel, some of these girls come from tough backgrounds so have understanding for them. PM me and I will send you full copy of below
Regards Hotel Security it appears low key, but be sure, it is very much there. At the fall of communism there were shootings all over Vladivostok as territory wars were fought. That’s all moved on now and the city has become civilised. One day I was sitting in the large Hotel foyer and these 3 Moscow mafia types started having an argument, something about lost money. As the argument became loud and heated this grey haired 60 year old man appeared from no-where in full camouflage gear. You may think, so what? But he was over 6 ft 6 inches and built like a giant bear and he carried this big revolver pointed sharply downwards with a straight arm. He didn’t even look at the 3 men as he shouted orders at them, he was prowling and surveying the room as if this disturbance was a decoy or something. He made them put their hands on their heads and kneel. The girls at reception were giggling, these 3 Moscow men had been rude before. Now was pay back time, Vladivostok style. They were shocked and shitting themselves. He ordered them to take their argument outside and then he vanished. A little while later 3 men sheepishly came back in and went straight to their rooms. ))
So, as I say, security is there.
Theres much I could write on, I did several of my walkabouts. One evening I walked down Pogranichnaya Ul just 5 minutes from Hotel Vladivostok. As I walked along in the distance I saw 1st floor bright purple lighted full length windows with fluttering curtains. As I got closer I discovered the fluttering curtains were in fact lingerie ladies dancing with long veils. I guess you could say this was an establishment of interest of which I paid a visit. The girls danced on the stage and bar in turns. I drank Coronas. Great place with modern decoy. I didn’t work out how the place operated and what was on offer, and by the time I was slightly tidily I decided to head for Hotel Vladivostok. Again I need to go back to Vladivostok again soon and explore further.
p.s. This is where Yul Brynner was borm and grew up.
Nick C,
Hotels
Hotel Moryak, 38 Posyetskaya St, ☎ (4232) 49-94-99. Cheap, serviceable accommodations a short walk uphill from the city center. English isn't spoken, but the staff are accustomed to foreign visitors. Look for the odd aquatic sign outside. Rooms from $35.
Hotel Hyundai, 29 Semenovskaya St, ☎ (4232) 40-22-33 (fax: (4232) 40-70-08), The height of luxury in Vladivostok, with full business facilities, swimming pool and fitness center, bar, casino, and restaurant on-site. Rooms have satellite TV and air conditioning. Online booking is available. Rooms from 6000R.
Hotel Vladivostok, 10 Naberezhnaya St, ☎ (4232) 41-28-08 (fax: (4232) 41-20-21), Budget and somewhat more upscale rooms, with Wi-Fi and a buffet breakfast; there's a restaurant on-site. Online booking available (with limited Russian). About a ten minute walk from the train station. It's quite an ugly building from the outside, but it faces a nice view to the sea. Bookings may also be available at the Hotel Amursky Zaiv, operated by the same management, across the street. Rooms from 2200R.
Vlad Inn, #35, 8-th Street Sanatornaya, ☎ (4232) 38-88-88 (fax: 1 (508) 590-2432), Reservations can be made online. They offer a free pickup service from the airport. It's a Western-managed hotel with English-speaking staff. Also has a very well-reviewed restaurant on premises. To reach the Vlad Inn, take an elektrichka (commuter train) out to Sanaturnaya (approximately six stops outbound from the Vladivostok train station). From there, it is a short walk. Rooms from $139.
By plane
Vladivostok International Airport (IATA: VVO, ICAO: UHWW) is located near Artyom, some 50 km off the city center, has two airfields with four paved runways, and is able to receive most major types of aircraft, except very large ones such as Boeing 747 or Boeing 777. The main terminal (domestic) recently underwent a major renovation, making it the most modern airport building in the Russian Far East. The international terminal, which is located just next door to domestic one (in fact, they share the same parking), is very small and usually crowded, but as Vladivostok is slated to receive the APEC summit in 2012, the planning of further upgrades are underway. Currently, the main connection from the airport to the city is via local and shuttle buses (ticket price 55 R one-way to the Vladivostok bus station), but they would be later supplemented by the newly built railroad branch.
The airport's anchor airline is Vladivostok Air [3] that serves a majority of its available domestic and international routes. It's the largest airline in the Russian Far East; it operates relatively modern fleet which primarily includes Airbus A320 and Tupolev Tu 204-300 types of aircraft and offers something like European short-haul type of service on all flights.
The busiest destination is Moscow. In average, there are 3-5 flights per day. Flights are much more frequent in summertime (June - September) due to heavy passenger traffic. It is recommended to book an itinerary at least one month in advance during that season in order to get a reasonable fare. Principal carriers to operate this route are Aeroflot Russian Airlines [4], Transaero [5], and S7 Airlines [6]. Other destinations are barely served daily, usually service is less frequent. Besides Moscow, domestic destinations include Saint Petersburg, Novosibirsk, Yekaterinburg, Irkutsk, Khabarovsk and many others. International flights connect Vladivostok with Beijing and Harbin in China; Niigata, Toyama and Osaka in Japan; Busan and Incheon in South Korea; Bangkok in Thailand; Hanoi in Vietnam; and Air Koryo also offers a weekly flight to Pyongyang. Korean Air [7] operates this route 5 times a week (in 2009) and offers flights from the continental US via a connection in Seoul-Incheon. Completion of the new international terminal in Haneda airport and subsequent increase in its capacity may lead to the opening of a direct scheduled flight by ANA to Tokyo, which is now served only by chartered flights to Narita airport.
Unfortunately, due to scarcity of the airlines operating from the airport a lot of destinations are monopolized and tickets are offered at exorbitant fares. For example, realizing its almost monopolistic position to offer connections, Korean Air bargains a fare starting from $800 for 1.5 hours plane ride to Seoul. Vladivostok Air [8] bargains similar extortionate prices for tickets to its Japanese destinations for the same 1.5 hours plane ride. The only real competitive destination is Moscow where a lot of airlines compete with each other, and sometimes really hot deals can be found. There are some hopes that aforementioned openings of a ferry line and additional flights may lead to increased competition and falling prices, but it remains a thing to see in the future.
By train
The Trans-Siberian Railway runs between Vladivostok and Moscow, with stops in major Russian cities like Irkutsk, Novosibirsk, and Ekaterinberg. Fares are from $200 single. Trains to Harbin, China take around 30 hours and cost $50.
By Boat
They now have a new ship with casino, bar, resturant, theatre etc that runs from Korea to Vladivostok
Google it.
VLADIVOSTOK Photos
Look at the 'Vlad city' one
Nick C
All well and good, looks a bit like a spiffier and more modern version of Sevastopol and Odeca.
We get your take on how the folks are more progressive thinkers with the international influence, coming up far from the 'old country' mentality.
With that in mind, why ONLY tourist fofos?
Where's the pics of the progressive pussy?
This is Int'l SEX Guide, not tourism board. If you've been several times, and not had girls do any modeling for us, your brothers here, then they're no more progressive than some backwater yurt camp in Inner Mongolia.
All the info's fine, but leave out the girls fotos, and its not more than a half-finished job.
Don't let us down. Don't shirk your responsibility. Get to work. If you've been several times, excuses are not acceptable. Only results are.
And don't hang the messenger, if the message is too blunt. YOU are the one that has built this image up as some Utopia of mongering, but left US all hanging.
In July 2001, posting fotos hadn't even begun on ISG, so I hadn't even bought a camera yet, when I sat at a cafe with my little blond tatar girlfriend at an outdoor cafe, watching six busloads of Simferopol students pour into the seaside bazaar in Sevastopol. Even if I had a camera, Alla would have slapped me for snapping pics of all the cute things in their loose tank tops and tight shorts buzzing around, giggling and laughing at the dried baby crocodiles and blowfish souvenirs. But I was SURE thinking about what a great scene it was to capture on film.
Cheers Bez
thanks for reply.
I included photos that gave an idea of what to expect in Vladivostok.
Some have appreciated that.
I've had several PM's for the full report and they have greatly appreciated it.
The information i wanted to PM only is quite a revelation.
I don't quite understand what your on about.
I think i wrote a good report. I make no excuses and i certainly don't what to hang anyone.
Excuse me if my report was not for you. Prehaps your day is not good.
Not to worry theres always tomorrow.
Cheers Nick C
P.S. please do PM me and I assure you, THE FULL REPORT INFORMATION
IS QUITE STARTLING. A REAL REVELATION.
[QUOTE=Nickc]Bez
The info i PM only is quite a revelation.
I don't understand what your on about.
I wrote a good report.
Excuse me if my report was not for you.
Prehaps your day is not good.
IN MY PM, I REPORT INFORMATION THAT IS QUITE STARTLING. A REAL REVELATION.
[/QUOTE]
Either you don't understand because you don't want to, or you are incapable of understanding. Either way, you're simply NOT excused.
How my day is, has nothing to do with your failure to post any photos of Vladivostok dyevushkas.
Your PM is not startling or a revelation. Its interesting at best, but only leaves the reader wondering about the quality of the prostitutes. You went to the trouble to take tourist photos.
Pat yourself on the back, you get credit for writing a travel guide with travel photos. Fine.
That's only HALF of the story.
This is ISG, you understand what the 'S' stands for?
Where are the photos of the tramps? Not the info, the photos. Check your camera, are they there, or not. You can do it, we all are behind you mate. Photos of the harbor are not enough to inspire us to fly 18 hours from Moscow, understand. Inspire your brothers, come on, you can do it.
If you don't understand that, you don't understand ISG.
Would you be more interested reading my story about the pretty sunset view I watched out my 14th story Hotel Lybid window with Svetlana the horny styudenka, or a view of her firm ass that she let me fuck?
[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]Either you don't understand because you don't want to, or you are incapable of understanding. Either way, you're simply NOT excused.
How my day is, has nothing to do with your failure to post any photos of Vladivostok dyevushkas.[/QUOTE]
Pleasantries aside, both of you should take this dialogue out of the Moscow thread.
Thanks for reply.
I'm not really looking to excuse myself, I was only self-jesting. Sorry.
I will try and do better and include more photos for you later.
I'm pleased you found my report interesting. Thank you.
I did try to comment a little on the quality of the girls
I'm the first to admit that my report is subjective.
Really all reports are subjective, either good or bad.
It was a good experience and i simply expressed what i experienced.
For several months I have been in PM contact with a fellow member whom is visiting there over winter. I have tried to help him as best i could. He has already had good responses through Mamba. I think it will be very different in winter. In someways I can’t imagine it. I think i'll make my visit over winter to. I look forward to that.
Cheers again Nick C
“Below is a cut and paste from of a report by another reporter, google it, his experience was good and he expresses it”.
'Vladivostok Travel Report' Dated Added: Fri Jan 27 2006 Submitted by: Horny Sailor
Vladivostok, eastern Russia. I work on cruise ships and we went to Vladivostok in October 2005. I must say that from all the places I have visited, Vladivostok is by far the place I’ve seen with the more and most beautiful women around!!! It was just unbelievable! Everywhere, every corner, I don’t think I have seen a fat chick all day.
I have scored womens easily in the past with my charms only, but since I was only there from 8AM till 4PM for 1 day only, my only chance was to pay for one. So after trying and trying over and over I was getting quite desperate. I sat down at the main square and 4 good buddies of mine from the ship showed up and were looking for the same thing…
One of them being from Czech Republic could speak a little Russian. So we talked to a cab driver and he took us in the suburb to a house… Inside was about 15 of the most fucking, stunning, beautiful Russian girls I had ever seen. I picked mine and she sucked my dick, no condoms and I fucked her by any ways I wanted. I could have not used a condom to fuck but I preferred to do so…
Anyway, in order to get the 5 girls we spent together $250US. I guess it would have been a little bit more expensive for only one on one but these girls were fucking pretty. It's hard to pick one in that house… So if you ever go there, talk to a cab driver and he’ll hook you up with one of those houses. Maybe… just in Russia. (Review # 13844)
[QUOTE=Nickc]
I was jesting.
Sorry.
I did comment on quality of girls
I admit that all reports are either good or bad.
I expressed what i experienced.
I will try and do better and include more photos for you later.
[/QUOTE]
The last thing you need to do is apologize for making a joke.
Its not about good or bad, or your experiences, or writing about the dyevs. All that was great.
But if you took photos of the dyevs, JUST POST THEM.
Not for me, for ALL your brothers.
Don't "try to do better later", just do it now. Finish your story. :cool:
Cheers
I do write in my own style. Thats true, escuse me if its not for you.
Sometimes i write in a subtle fashion, i try to be polite and positive.
Its my belief that all anger is little more than manipulation.
i don't think any complaints and demands are a reflection upon me at all.
I've had some good PM remarks about this. I'm quite comfortable with my report. Its a good report! I feel free to post the photos i choose to, thats ok.
I would add to any others who may withhold a report in apprehension
of complaints. Just post it and smile.
Cheers again Nick C
Bez and Nick,
Why are you having the same conversation in 2 different threads? Why not just keep the discussion in the Other Areas thread? Save yourself some time and effort.
Here are some girls from Vladivostok that I met in BKK few years back
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Quiet? Guess things have changed since they shut down all the casinos. Anyway, wholeheartedly agree with you on the Asian food there. It's some of the best (if not [b]the[/b] best) in town.[/QUOTE]Yes totally quiet. Normal hotel now. Some of the dvevkas were telling me how busy it used to be and now no- no more casino. Still a lot of business travelers as now it is a nice hotel with several restaurants. I have been here now a couple weeks and have only got out a couple times. The GF I met here stayed with me last weekend and then a few more days so I was quite content.
I keep extending my stay. I paid $118 plus a night for this weekend, FYI, all online.
Last night I chatted up a prosti here, my GF had to go home for an exam so. Elena. Gorgeous. Top one out of the 10-12 or so that were hanging around the bar after 10 pm. She spoke zero english. I had to go to her. So it was a huge challange for my limited Russian, but we got along quite well of course (read $$$). I asked how much she said $200USD an hour LOL. I am pretty sure I was quoted 10KR ($353) for the night when I first got here. But she was gorgeous I will say that. Needless to say. I couter offered- $300 for 2 hours. She was polite and quoted me same $200 an hour. I didn't say anything just asked for my bill from bar and we said our goodnights. She was smokin thought. Took some will power I will tell you that.
So here I am now waiting for my GF to come back from her visit to mama.
I plan on checking out the scene again tonight and choosing one of the less smokin girls and see how that plays out. Nice variety to choose from I will say that though. But again you are at a 4 Start Hotel and girls are in hand so to speak so premium applies.
You guys are a riot with the flames. Who gives a Fjck how or what someone says here. Get information, pass information the rest means nothing.
Out!
[QUOTE=Eros75]
Girls from Vladivostok that I met.
[/QUOTE]
There are mice, and there are men among mongers.
Ears57, you stand alone, a towering oak in a forest of saplings.
Bufu-screwdio. That's exactly my point! Talk is cheap. Pass info or pass gas, but amongst brother perverts, my curiousness gets the best of me, and I wanna fucking see nasty naked dyevs, not just read the damn articles.
THAT, was and still remains the ABSOLUT ULTIMATE genius of Jackson!
Mongers International United Local 6 & 7/8ths.
The Illustrated Version!
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Bez and Nick, Why are you having the same conversation in 2 different threads? Why not just keep the discussion in the Other Areas thread? Save yourself some time and effort.[/QUOTE]
Please note reply in the correct forum 'Other Areas'.
Cheers Again Nick C.
Well learned a little more last night. $200 is the agreed to flat rate for the hotel girls, period. And there were a lot more men to women her last few nights so I figure it is not an issue to get with these business travelers. Bird in hand why not. Cold out there and hotel is far from anything, and with ordering in well can be hit or miss, so I decided to dip into this one. $200 for an hour, shucks OK.
Plus she spoke english. I am good at names but for the life of me I can not remember hers. I asked her two times too. I think it was not Russian so that threw me off. She was blond with brown streaks, I'd say late 20's, small breasts not bad, but a great ass (they all have great asses) session was good, I was very specific on what I wanted and she obliged (slow, rub me suck me don't make me come) had to slow her down a couple times but no problems. Oral was with condom which was not bad actually, she was a good show, oh and I paid an upcharge for prostate massage (2KR)- which was constant throught the session until we went to missionary. So we did that for about 40 minutes, the prostate massage and oral was good, wanted to close out that way but I wanted more at the end. So finally I wanted to change the view, got up slipped in and was done pretty quick with all the oral action to rev me up. Condom on of course.
No kissing, no digits, didn't even bother trying DATY. But all in all satisfying. She was a 7 when I met her. But when she took off the outfit (not that great) she went to a solid 8. The oral action was porn level, pretty damn good.
So I decided to stay a few more nights and will try out another one tonight for a similar session.
[QUOTE=Sususudio]Yes totally quiet. Normal hotel now. Some of the dvevkas were telling me how busy it used to be and now no- no more casino. Still a lot of business travelers as now it is a nice hotel with several restaurants. I have been here now a couple weeks and have only got out a couple times. The GF I met here stayed with me last weekend and then a few more days so I was quite content.
I keep extending my stay. I paid $118 plus a night for this weekend, FYI, all online.
Last night I chatted up a prosti here, my GF had to go home for an exam so. Elena. Gorgeous. Top one out of the 10-12 or so that were hanging around the bar after 10 pm. She spoke zero english. I had to go to her. So it was a huge challange for my limited Russian, but we got along quite well of course (read $$$). I asked how much she said $200USD an hour LOL. I am pretty sure I was quoted 10KR ($353) for the night when I first got here. But she was gorgeous I will say that. Needless to say. I couter offered- $300 for 2 hours. She was polite and quoted me same $200 an hour. I didn't say anything just asked for my bill from bar and we said our goodnights. She was smokin thought. Took some will power I will tell you that.
So here I am now waiting for my GF to come back from her visit to mama.
I plan on checking out the scene again tonight and choosing one of the less smokin girls and see how that plays out. Nice variety to choose from I will say that though. But again you are at a 4 Start Hotel and girls are in hand so to speak so premium applies.
You guys are a riot with the flames. Who gives a Fjck how or what someone says here. Get information, pass information the rest means nothing.
Out![/QUOTE]
Hi, Susustudio.
Which city are you talking about? I don't know 4 Start Hotel in Moscow. If it's not Moscow, please, let's not mix it with other cities. I misleads.
Thank you.
Evening all.
I have had many PM’s from people with 0 previous reports seeking my full report. Is it common to get PM’s from people with zero previous reports?
I just don’t reply. It appears they are aliens amongst our midst, similar to ‘Glazami’ seeking information of some imagined crime. Theres no crime here, move along.
I have replied to most other PM’s and even PMed a few others.
Thanks for your comments.
Cheers Nickc
[QUOTE=Nickc]It appears they are aliens amongst our midst[/QUOTE]Yes, sad but true, we guys who contribute are only the tip of the iceberg. Out there are 100's of guys, maybe 1,000's, lurking in the darkness, feeding off our experience.
Visited Moscow, first day called Sweet Dreams, was able to communicate in English, they suggested Alyona who was a great provider, nice body friendly, did leave 30 min early.
Web Address: [url]http://sweet-dreams.ru/index.php?option=com_datsogallery&Itemid=2&func=viewcategory&catid=7[/url]
The second day I decided to try an independent from :[url]http://www.rusdosug.com/[/url]
The lady is no longer listed, but she looked nothing like the photo, her site said $180, she charged $200. She had blond hair on the photo, black hair in person, her srvice was conservative, although she checked all the boxes on Rusdosug, she said she did not understand the form. Her body was great, but again, she looked nothing like the photo, her services were not as advertised, it was like she went through "Extreme Makeover" for the photo. If her photo appears back on the site, I will add the link.
Hi all,
Pretty new to the forum and nice to be here.
I need to go to Moscow next week for biz and was thinking about having
a little fun while away ;-)
Reading through some of the reports it looks like finding a nice and real
girl is just as hard as in other parts of East Europe....
I was wondering if someone could give me a helping hand ? :-)
Have had some first contact with these lady's was was wondering
Anyone had the pleasure to meet with any of these lady's ?
[url]http://honeymoscow.escortdiva.com/services.php[/url]
[url]http://www.girl-directory.com/russia-escort.php?ID=4279[/url]
[url]http://www.33girls.com/escorts/Lola.htm[/url]
and last but not least
[url]http://vipmoscowescort.com/[/url]
Any info that someone could give would be great.....or any tips for a
lady that does not mind taking it a little bit bigger in her tight ass
Thanks again
[QUOTE=Frulindo]It's not that I don't believe you, but as a future freebie mongerer my first rule actually was to AVOID any City with bigger military bases in the near, as there should be an extremely unbalanced men/women ratio.[/QUOTE]I commented in the Other Areas section where this should be.
Let's try to keep this forum somewhat organized, shall we?
[QUOTE=Johntodd]Visited Moscow, first day called Sweet Dreams, was able to communicate in English, they suggested Alyona who was a great provider, nice body friendly, did leave 30 min early.
Web Address: [url]http://sweet-dreams.ru/index.php?option=com_datsogallery&Itemid=2&func=viewcategory&catid=7[/url]And the price you paid was.... ???
She left 30 minutes early? How much time did you pay for?
Victoria, what's going on? Your girls are leaving 30 min early?
I heard that foreigners have to pay 200 Rubles as registration fee at Sherbank.
In the previous regulations, foreigners shall not registar if they stay less than 3 business days. Is this still valid?
[QUOTE=Big Bro AJ]I heard that foreigners have to pay 200 Rubles as registration fee at Sherbank.
In the previous regulations, foreigners shall not registar if they stay less than 3 business days. Is this still valid?[/QUOTE]AJ,
Visitors to Moscow (not just foreigners) are required to register with the Militisa within three business days. If you leave town within those three business days then you are not required to register. For example, if you arrive in Moscow at 5:00 PM on Friday night, then you have until 5:00 Wednesday night to register.
[QUOTE=Johntodd]Visited Moscow, first day called Sweet Dreams, was able to communicate in English, they suggested Alyona who was a great provider, nice body friendly, did leave 30 min early.
Web Address: [url]http://sweet-dreams.ru/index.php?option=com_datsogallery&Itemid=2&func=viewcategory&catid=7[/url]
The second day I decided to try an independent from :[url]http://www.rusdosug.com/[/url]
The lady is no longer listed, but she looked nothing like the photo, her site said $180, she charged $200. She had blond hair on the photo, black hair in person, her srvice was conservative, although she checked all the boxes on Rusdosug, she said she did not understand the form. Her body was great, but again, she looked nothing like the photo, her services were not as advertised, it was like she went through "Extreme Makeover" for the photo. If her photo appears back on the site, I will add the link.[/QUOTE]
The second lady was Alina, she posted a photo of the way she really looks, the previous photo had straberry blond hair, and was photoshopped.
[url]http://www.rusdosug.com/indi.php?service=12&id=33101[/url]
Note each lady charged $200 for two hours
Guys, I'd be really interested to hear from those familiar with the Moscow scene on the following question: what impact, if any, do internal migration controls have on the supply/demand picture for girls in Mosow/Russia (girls in general, not just P4P). What I mean is, my understanding is that Russia has a system of internal migration control, I. E. A girl cannot just up and move to Moscow from Ekaterinaburg for example just because she feels like it. This is where where all this discussion about papers and registration comes in. Now in Ukraine, people can move wherever they want. I haven't been all over the country, but in the bit of travelling I've done it seems like there are almost no girls in the villages and small cities. It makes sense that they would go to the bigger cities for work and school, and there are lots of girls in the bigger cities in Ukraine.
I know the whole which is better, Russia or Ukraine, big cities or the provinces etc. Discussion has been had many times. But does anyone think that migration controls play a part, I. E. That there are more girls in Ukrainian cities because of the lack of migration controls?
Jake,
Thanks for the info, however I am not a rookie for Moscow scene.
I just wonder, do we also have to deposit 200 Rubles to Sherbank additional to regular registration formalities.
AJ,
The procedures for registration have changed in the last year or 2. It is now possible to register yourself at the Post Office by filling out a form, in Russian or course, and paying a small fee, maybe 200 руб.
It is only necessary to prove that you have an address in Moscow (or wherever you are staying), which will be the sticking point for someone who is a tourist.
So, if you have proof of an address in Moscow and you can read and write Russian, you're set. Just head on over to the Post Office and do the deed.
Otherwise, you will have to pay someone to do it for you.
But, it is no longer necessary to register with the Militsia, or the OVIR, or the FSB, or the NKVD, or the VDNXa...
I'm back to Moscow for a week in February.
Who wants to party?
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]
The procedures for registration have changed in the last year or 2. It is now possible to register yourself at the Post Office by filling out a form, in Russian or course, and paying a small fee, maybe 200 руб.
It is no longer necessary to register with the Militsia, or the OVIR, or the FSB, or the NKVD, or the VDNXa...
[/QUOTE]
This sounds very encouraging, since registering is still a real pain in the ass, a big waste of time, and way too expensive. My flight always gets in at 23:00 on Friday night, so the last thing I want to do after 36 hours of travel time and my first night of debauchery, is get up early Saturday morning in a jet lag fog and find a taxi to drive across town to my travel agent to give them my passport. And since my apartment is still not registered for tourist rentals, my travel agent always has to register me in a different address and has to charge me $120 for this special fee to the police. Then I still have to go back there again on Monday or Tuesday to get my passport back and my registration form. Then there's always the worry that you will lose this stupid little paper before you clear immigration.
Between all that bullshit, AND the new bullshit of being required to pay a travel agent to get a visa, it nearly makes going to Ukraine a better option. If it wasn't for the dyevuchki,.......
So, when registering at the post office, do they still give you back the form with their stamp that you must give to immigration officer at the airport when you leave the country, that if you don't have it, you are in trouble? (Not having the option to miss my flights, I have always had my form)
And do they still have the 48 hours time limit to register rule, or you are in trouble?
Trouble for registering late generally means paying an extra $100 to $200 in rubles and sitting around the police station for 4 hours explaining shit and getting photographed and fingerprinted. (Haven't done that since 2007).
I know I could stay one night in a hotel and save myself all these headaches, but that would be just as big a pain, and a waste of time and money too, and they don't have crappy green sofas. I'm not so sure that a hotel that I'm checking out of, on my second morning, is gonna register me for 3 weeks anyway.
[QUOTE=Big Bro AJ]... however I am not a rookie for Moscow scene.....[/QUOTE]Sorry AJ, never meant to suggest you were.
[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]This sounds very encouraging, since registering is still a real pain in the ass, a big waste of time, and way too expensive. My flight always gets in at 23:00 on Friday night, so the last thing I want to do after 36 hours of travel time and my first night of debauchery, is get up early Saturday morning in a jet lag fog and find a taxi to drive across town to my travel agent to give them my passport.[/QUOTE]Refresh my memory again, are you arriving in Mineralaya Voda, or Goose Khrystal?
[QUOTE]And since my apartment is still not registered for tourist rentals, my travel agent always has to register me in a different address and has to charge me $120 for this special fee to the police.[/QUOTE]There is no $120 special fee to the police (unless, of course, it's going into someone's pocket). They are just taking advantage of your kind demeanor and your generous nature. Time to find a new travel agent.
[QUOTE]Then I still have to go back there again on Monday or Tuesday to get my passport back and my registration form. Then there's always the worry that you will lose this stupid little paper before you clear immigration.[/QUOTE]I think you are confusing your registration form with your migration card. Since they changed the procedures for registration, I have not had anyone ask for my registration form when I left the country. They will, however, ask for your migration card. And you'd better have it.
[QUOTE]Between all that bullshit, AND the new bullshit of being required to pay a travel agent to get a visa, it nearly makes going to Ukraine a better option. If it wasn't for the dyevuchki,.......[/QUOTE]'smatter, you got something against Ukrainian dyevchyonki???
[QUOTE]So, when registering at the post office, do they still give you back the form with their stamp that you must give to immigration officer at the airport when you leave the country, that if you don't have it, you are in trouble? (Not having the option to miss my flights, I have always had my form)[/QUOTE]Again, you are confusing your registration form with your migration card.
[QUOTE]And do they still have the 48 hours time limit to register rule, or you are in trouble?[/QUOTE]There was a long discussion about this subject in the Other Areas thread last year at this time. You might want to go back and read through it again. Kurenda posted a copy of the form that they use at the post office in Moscow for registration.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=850445&postcount=941[/url]
Of course, out in the provinces, they may not have heard about the new procedures yet.
[QUOTE]Trouble for registering late generally means paying an extra $100 to $200 in rubles and sitting around the police station for 4 hours explaining shit and getting photographed and fingerprinted. (Haven't done that since 2007).[/QUOTE]Really??? I'm surprised they let you into the country at all.
[QUOTE]I know I could stay one night in a hotel and save myself all these headaches, but that would be just as big a pain, and a waste of time and money too, and they don't have crappy green sofas.[/QUOTE]There is another possibility. You only need someone who has an address in the city where you will be staying and who will be willing to go to the post office and vouch for you, that you will be staying with them. They are the one who will actually fill out the form, with their name and address and register you as staying with them. Maybe one of your liubovnitsi would be willing to do that for a small fee? It's worth a shot (so to speak). ;)
[QUOTE]I'm not so sure that a hotel that I'm checking out of, on my second morning, is gonna register me for 3 weeks anyway.[/QUOTE]I'm not aware of any time limit on your registration, as long as you stay in the same city. Your time in Russia is determined by your visa.
It's really not necessary to register. Most people don't. It's entirely possible that you could spend your whole time in Russia without registering and no one would be any the wiser. It's only an issue if the militsia decides to stop you and ask for your documenti. But they only do that with people who look suspicious or are acting in a strange, unusual or anti-social manner.
Come to think of it, maybe you better register. :D
[QUOTE=Stravinsky] But they only do that with people who look suspicious or are acting in a strange, unusual or anti-social manner. Come to think of it, maybe you better register. :D[/QUOTE]
ROFLMAO !
:)
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]
Refresh my memory again, are you arriving in Mineralaya Vodal?
Out in the provinces, they may not let you into the country at all.
Your time in Russia is determined by your acting in a strange manner.
[/QUOTE]
That's Velikiye Luki Dookie to you, where they only HAVE one travel agent that will register you.
Though I'm seriously considering a visit to Zzzhzyzzhnzhn-na-Shiznit.
Getting IN is not my worry, its getting OUT!
I know they are fucking me over, I'll do it your way, and try not to act unusually strange, but that's asking a bit much. I've never been stopped by the militsia, since I'm always in my Spetsnaz Kobra uniform.
Migration card they give you at the airport. Registration form? Well, it was last April, so its too far back to remember.
Someone who will vouch for me? For ME?????? I think this is actually what my agent IS doing, based on her hopes that I won't perform multiple vivisections on the local populace in my insatiable bloodthirst for virgins and type AB negative.
Since 2006, the ruski dyevs are higher on my rankings than the UA versions, only for the reasons that, in between sponsorship sessions, the p4p seems more acceptable in Russia in newspaper ads, and the UA gals just seem greedier now than before. It still depends on the individual, I had great success in Oct 2008 in UA, but Russia is still the source. If only it was less complicated.
Stravinsky,
What proof of address they accept at the Post Office please?
I want to invite friends over but I have no utility bills to show. I live in a company paid flat.
I have to say I once was stopped in the underground before going to work so Militia can also pick on innocent "business" types.
Regards,
Vigilante
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]AJ,
The procedures for registration have changed in the last year or 2. It is now possible to register yourself at the Post Office by filling out a form, in Russian or course, and paying a small fee, maybe 200 руб.
It is only necessary to prove that you have an address in Moscow (or wherever you are staying), which will be the sticking point for someone who is a tourist.
So, if you have proof of an address in Moscow and you can read and write Russian, you're set. Just head on over to the Post Office and do the deed.
Otherwise, you will have to pay someone to do it for you.
But, it is no longer necessary to register with the Militsia, or the OVIR, or the FSB, or the NKVD, or the VDNXa...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Vigilantexx]Stravinsky,
What proof of address they accept at the Post Office please?
I want to invite friends over but I have no utility bills to show. I live in a company paid flat.
I have to say I once was stopped in the underground before going to work so Militia can also pick on innocent "business" types.
Regards,
Vigilante[/QUOTE]Vig,
I may be off base with this comment so if it is incorrect then I apologize in advance. However, I have been told that in order to register a visitor you must be a "Moscow resident" and have some proof (some kind of document) to that effect. The exception to that rule is if you are a business (like a hotel) that is set up to receive non-residents of Moscow.
The reason I say this is that when in Moscow I normally rent an apartment from one of the agencies. One of the services they offer is the registration. On one occasion, I needed to get my visa registered in a hurry because of a scheduling conflict, but the manager told me that she could not do it herself because she is not a "proper" resident of Moscow (although she has lived there for years) and that we would have to wait day for her colleague to return to work because she is a "Moscow Resident" and could register me easily.
I have no proof one way or the other, but I get the impression that registering a guest is tantamount to sponsoring them to live at your residence. Although the rules have been relaxed, when you leave Moscow you should technically return the document to the person who registered you and they must report your departure to the same place they register your arrival. TECHNICALLY they can be in shit if they fail to do this.
I was told a story of a Ukrainian visitor last summer who arrived in Moscow by train. His host registered him and everything was cool. When it was time to return to Kiev, he hopped on the train and headed home. Then, when they were making the border crossing from Russia to Ukraine, a border guard (not sure if it was Russian or Ukrainian) discovered the registration document in his passport (along with the migration card) and gave him Supreme Shit for not giving it back to his host in Moscow and that he was potentially creating a problem for his host.
Here's my point (yes, I do have a point), this process appears to be complicated, fluid, randomly enforced, and poorly understood. And there are PLENTY of legal Moscow Residents who would be happy to register your guests for a small fee ($25?). Maybe ask one of your Muscovite co-workers if they can hep you out and register your guest? Worth a try.
Good luck
[QUOTE=Vigilantexx]What proof of address they accept at the Post Office please?[/QUOTE]You will need some sort of government issued ID that shows your permanent address in Moscow.
Russian citizens can use their narodni passport, but if you are a foreign businessman renting an apartment, you won't have one of those. I doubt if utility bills will be acceptable. Regardless of your ID, I think a foreign citizen, trying to register another foreign citizen, would raise some eyebrows.
How do you handle registration for yourself? Is it done through your company?
Jake - I think a Russian citizen sponsoring a visitor is a whole 'nother process, involving a special type of visa for that purpose. Mainly the RF just wants to keep track of foreign citizens staying in Russia, and in order to do that they want you to register at an "official" address where they can reach out and put the finger on you, if they need to.
I never thought of it before, but logically, the person who registers you should probably report that you have left the country. But then, we're talking about Russia, so logic doesn't necessarily apply.
It was probably a Russian border guard. Given the special fondness that Russia has for the Ukraine right now, I imagine he takes great pleasure in reading the riot act to every ignorant kolkhoznik who happens to cross his path.
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]
How do you handle registration for yourself? [/QUOTE]Hello,
I go regularly to Russia, and never register, except in the hotels of course. I had two times difficulties with the militia on the street, and paid them a fee, and once in Barnaul at the airport just before departure. There a guy took me out of the queue and took me to an office. He was not in uniform, I refused to talk a single word Russian, he had to let me go and I just got the plane. But that was 5 years ago. The rules are changed, and most hotels do the registration electronal. When leaving the country nobody ever asked me something. I even lost once that small white paper (is it the emigration card?) and nobody said something.
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]
Jake - I think a Russian citizen sponsoring a visitor is a whole 'nother process, involving a special type of visa for that purpose. Mainly the RF just wants to keep track of foreign citizens staying in Russia, and in order to do that they want you to register at an "official" address where they can reach out and put the finger on you, if they need to.[/QUOTE]Strav,
I wondered about that. But get this - when I got the registration paper back from the manager who registered me, it did not specify the address of the apartment where I was staying, it showed the address of HER apartment. It was like they were more interested in the address of the person registering me than they were in where I was actually staying. I'll bet that was, in fact, the way it was officially documented. Imagine that - being registered to the address of a gorgeous young devushka and not getting a chance to "boink" her. Doesn't seem fair does it? ;)
точно!
As a visitor, you don't have an address, by definition, so they use the address of the person who is registering you.
I figured this out when I stayed at one of Rick's apartments, and the girl came back with my passport and registration form. It was in her name and with her address. It occurred to me that if she is using her info to register all of Rick's guests, won't someone, somewhere in the Russian bureaucracy, put 2 + 2 together and wonder why this young women has such a constant stream of western men visiting her! :)
Thanks for info regards registering. Work has me in Moscow and surrounds from March 1st. See you there, I’ll be the guy in the dark purple shirt. Cheers Nick C
I am actually surprised commercially savvy individualkas are not already advertising this service for an extra 1k-2k Rbl. Not difficult to imagine long lines in the morning at the local post office of.by then well relaxed- gentleman being accompanied to get registered. I would call that a full managed service!
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]точно!
As a visitor, you don't have an address, by definition, so they use the address of the person who is registering you.
I figured this out when I stayed at one of Rick's apartments, and the girl came back with my passport and registration form. It was in her name and with her address. It occurred to me that if she is using her info to register all of Rick's guests, won't someone, somewhere in the Russian bureaucracy, put 2 + 2 together and wonder why this young women has such a constant stream of western men visiting her! :)[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]... It occurred to me that if she is using her info to register all of Rick's guests, won't someone, somewhere in the Russian bureaucracy, put 2 + 2 together and wonder why this young women has such a constant stream of western men visiting her! :)[/QUOTE] I don't think anyone in the Russia bureaucracy CARES!!!!! ;)
Anybody had experience with Salon Blondinki near Krasnoe Varota metro?
[QUOTE=Flexxx Yap]I saw Julia on these sites :
[url]http://www.girl-directory.com/russia-escort.php?ID=16570[/url] and
[url]http://www.sexyindependentescorts.com/list/listing-independent-552.html[/url]
Several months ago and after several letters decided to invite her to my hotel when I am in Moscow. The price was too much and I aksed for a small discount, she immediately agreed.
When the woman went into my room it seemed to me that her face was strained and tired, looked like she had had several customers before me. Her hair smelled not fresh as well, under the eyes there were bruises- I could imagine that shehad been working intensely.
She stopped being more or less friendly after she got her 250 euro. Also on the telephone I didn't feel that so much, but she had terrible accent that was hard to understand, so after some short time I just stopped trying to make some kind of conversation and decided to get to the process. She was not against, immediately went to the bathroom.
Before tried to torture me with the question if I had a shower or not, but so far she was one hour late I explained it to her several times that I had enough time to get cleaned. When she went to the bathroom I wondered why she was so persistent about my going to the bathroom, may be to steal something and leave. It could be like this as the continuation was just even worse. The beginning was just frustrating, but I decided to go on, just wondered how far these girls can go.
So when she came from the bathroom and I put a way the towel she was holding, I discovered that she has not tits at all! Where are the tits, I was thinking trying to get my Brother act or move, also she was fat, the ass looked miserable. I lied down thinking that after such a fake as her site and the photos on the site she could at least be more active to work out the money she took from me. She began to perform something that could be oral in a rubber, without initiative and nearly dyeing. I understood that there will be no use in all these and decided to finish with the meeting, took her from behind and tried from the back helping my brother with the hand, She was absolutely dry and squeezed my legs with hers in the way for me not to be able to go deep. I was on the edge of throwing her out of my room exactly at this moment but kept myself from doing it, try not to be rude with women whoever they are.
After unsuccessful attempts of getting what I have paid for, I asked her for message. She tried to show that she is performing a kind of message, that was in fact pinching me with her cold hands. I asked to stop, she looking unsatisfied and lied down as though waiting when I let her go home. Also want to add that the telephone was ringing all the time until I asked her to switch it off. I was again as angry as I wanted to throw her out of my room and in fact that was what I did.
I took her bag and threw it to the door demanding to return 150 euro, explaining that instead of a young happy escort girl from the photos I got an old tired street prostitute that can hardly speak English and is not able to perform anything for the money that took from me. I saw that it made some effect, at least she understood, she looked frightened, took the bag and disappeared in the bathroom. I confirmed my intention to take my money back telling her that I could ask for a guards of the hotel (that I would never do) and tell him that she stole some things from me. I was so angry that was ready for this!
Looked like she also didn't want a scandal as was a frequent visitor of the hotel. She came out of the bathroom, put 150 euro on the table and silently went away.
I have never had such a disgusting escort experience as that! Instead of a girl from the photo I had a cheap shabby bold *****, who is in her late 30ies.
The photos resemble her, but in reality she is fatter with no bust much older and more simple.
[url]http://www.escort24h.net/escorts/gallery/Julia2.html[/url]
[url]http://www.sexyindependentescorts.com/list/listing-independent-552.html[/url][/QUOTE]I was writing before about this provider and described my bad experience with her. Then found one more negative review (that I am adding here) after which this fake Julia disappeared from the field, I have just noticed that she changed a bit photos and appeared again!
here is where she appears and her site:
[url]http://www.girl-directory.com/russia-escort.php?ID=16570[/url]
[url]http://www.escort24h.net/escorts/gallery/Julia2.html[/url]
[url]http://www.sexyindependentescorts.com/list/listing-independent-552.html[/url]
I am quoting one review of her service and add mine, as well as I am attaching her pics for you not to be cheated again by this fake Julia and her site.
Julia- one of the worst ways to spend the money
I also met her two months ago.
The body is not young, marks of folds and cellulite, the belly is also spoilt by cakes and buns (looks like?), we tried oral, though she put it with the hands, very painful, that made my last attempts to perform anything impossible.
I couldn't get excited as she was not the girls I expected from the photos,
[url]http://www.Girl-directory.com/russia-escort.php?[/url] ID=16570
She was also visibly in bad mood and when I tried to flirt with her at the beginning of our meeting and pet her bottom she got really mad. So I would agree with the previous opinion, the behavior is not normal at all.
Also opened Natasha two months ago and now have been meeting her nearly on a regular basis :
[url]http://www.girl-directory.com/russia-escort.php?ID=9580[/url]
The price is more than reasonable for the experience I get, real virtuoso in her profession, loves sex, sophisticated and with lots of passion in bed.
Slim, well-groomed, model like looks, not very young (in her mid 30ies I quess) but this just adds charm and gloss to her, very easy in communication , she is much better in bed than most of the young "beauties" I met. Very passionate and sweet girl .
[QUOTE=Acolonizer]Moscow is very different from Kiev. Before of all, there is no professional prostitutes (for foreigners), they are 99.99 % cheating and dangerous, when you go to their apartments-brothels, you are in a mouse trap: read my detailed explainations in April 2009.
Kiev is definitely better than Moscow, but world is changing very fast.[/QUOTE]C'mon Acon. That's ridiculous.
99% of the salons are cheating and dangerous? More like 99% are completely safe.
Kiev vs. Moscow is another story, the cities are less alike than one might think, both with their positive and negative sides.
[QUOTE=Acolonizer]Moscow is very different from Kiev. Before of all, there is no [b]professional[/b] prostitutes...[/QUOTE]
I agree, they are no professional at all, they are totally GFE in most of cases :D
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]C'mon Acon. That's ridiculous.
99% of the salons are cheating and dangerous? More like 99% are completely safe.
[/QUOTE]
I wholehandedly agree with the good doctor. Maybe I don't have a GREAT time during every visit to a salon, but 95% of the time, it's good. That's assuming you do your research and go to a reputable place. Same goes for CF/BH/HD. Be super clear with the girl about your expectations (time, number of pops, services and so on), and you'll rarely be disappointed. I'm not saying it won't happen (especially at NF, which is notorious for girls who underdeliver), but it should be the exception rather than the rule.
As for Kiev vs Moscow, my general feeling is that p4p options are a bit different between the two, but more-or-less equivalent in price/performance. That said, Kiev beats Moscow in terms of freebie action, even though things have improved here in Moscow during the [i]kreesis[/i]. Dyevs in Kiev just seem so... [b]desperate[/b]. I love it!
[QUOTE=Flexxx Yap]I saw Julia on these sites :
[url]http://www.girl-directory.com/russia-escort.php?ID=16570[/url] and
[url]http://www.sexyindependentescorts.com/list/listing-independent-552.html[/url]
Several months ago and after several letters decided to invite her to my hotel when I am in Moscow. The price was too much and I aksed for a small discount, she immediately agreed.
When the woman went into my room it seemed to me that her face was strained and tired, looked like she had had several customers before me. Her hair smelled not fresh as well, under the eyes there were bruises- I could imagine that shehad been working intensely.
She stopped being more or less friendly after she got her 250 euro. Also on the telephone I didn't feel that so much, but she had terrible accent that was hard to understand, so after some short time I just stopped trying to make some kind of conversation and decided to get to the process. She was not against, immediately went to the bathroom.
Before tried to torture me with the question if I had a shower or not, but so far she was one hour late I explained it to her several times that I had enough time to get cleaned. When she went to the bathroom I wondered why she was so persistent about my going to the bathroom, may be to steal something and leave. It could be like this as the continuation was just even worse. The beginning was just frustrating, but I decided to go on, just wondered how far these girls can go.
So when she came from the bathroom and I put a way the towel she was holding, I discovered that she has not tits at all! Where are the tits, I was thinking trying to get my Brother act or move, also she was fat, the ass looked miserable. I lied down thinking that after such a fake as her site and the photos on the site she could at least be more active to work out the money she took from me. She began to perform something that could be oral in a rubber, without initiative and nearly dyeing. I understood that there will be no use in all these and decided to finish with the meeting, took her from behind and tried from the back helping my brother with the hand, She was absolutely dry and squeezed my legs with hers in the way for me not to be able to go deep. I was on the edge of throwing her out of my room exactly at this moment but kept myself from doing it, try not to be rude with women whoever they are.
After unsuccessful attempts of getting what I have paid for, I asked her for message. She tried to show that she is performing a kind of message, that was in fact pinching me with her cold hands. I asked to stop, she looking unsatisfied and lied down as though waiting when I let her go home. Also want to add that the telephone was ringing all the time until I asked her to switch it off. I was again as angry as I wanted to throw her out of my room and in fact that was what I did.
I took her bag and threw it to the door demanding to return 150 euro, explaining that instead of a young happy escort girl from the photos I got an old tired street prostitute that can hardly speak English and is not able to perform anything for the money that took from me. I saw that it made some effect, at least she understood, she looked frightened, took the bag and disappeared in the bathroom. I confirmed my intention to take my money back telling her that I could ask for a guards of the hotel (that I would never do) and tell him that she stole some things from me. I was so angry that was ready for this!
Looked like she also didn't want a scandal as was a frequent visitor of the hotel. She came out of the bathroom, put 150 euro on the table and silently went away.
I have never had such a disgusting escort experience as that! Instead of a girl from the photo I had a cheap shabby bold *****, who is in her late 30ies.
The photos resemble her, but in reality she is fatter with no bust much older and more simple.
[url]http://www.escort24h.net/escorts/gallery/Julia2.html[/url]
[url]http://www.sexyindependentescorts.com/list/listing-independent-552.html[/url][/QUOTE]Found several more photos of this fake provider!
Hey Harlei,
I applaud you on your ability to reclaim most of your money from this tramp, but this is your third post already on the same girl/episode. I understand that this forum's format isn't ideal and posts often get ignored/overlooked after a week or so, but no sense in beating a dead horse (or wh0re in this case :) ).
The main thing to remember here is... if you arrange for выезд (out-call), and the girl isn't to your liking or expectations, have the good sense to SEND HER AWAY IMMEDIATELY. Same with a salon or apartment -- if you were expecting slim, perky-titted, model-faced teen "Masha" and find only fat, weathered and/or ugly goblins in her place, don't hesitate for a second to turn on your heels and head back to the podyezd. Really - there's no reason to feel guilty about it. If these girls are stupid enough to misrepresent themselves, then they have it coming. That said, I'm always a polite gentleman when doing it - which is more than they likely deserve.
[QUOTE=Harlei]
Looked like she also didn't want a scandal as was a frequent visitor of the hotel. She came out of the bathroom, put 150 euro on the table and silently went away.
I have never had such a disgusting escort experience as that! Instead of a girl from the photo I had a cheap shabby bold *****, who is in her late 30ies.
The photos resemble her, but in reality she is fatter with no bust much older and more simple.
[/QUOTE]
Hi, Guys.
Here are links to some inexpensive and girl-friendly hotels near Moscow center.
Maxima Panorama - metro Avtozavodskaya, rooms from 2100rub [url]http://vmoskvy.ru/hotel/maxima_panorama.html[/url]
Ulanskaya - metro Chistye Prudy, Turgenevskaya, rooms from 5850rub [url]http://vmoskvy.ru/hotel/ulanskaya.html[/url]
Medea - metro Paveletskaya, Novokuznetskaya, rooms from 6500rub [url]http://vmoskvy.ru/hotel/medea.html[/url]
Mandarin - metro Krasnoselskaya, a bit ourside Garden Ring, but rooms from 3500rub [url]http://vmoskvy.ru/hotel/the_mandarin.html[/url]
Ibis - metro Paveletskaya, rooms from 3500rub [url]http://vmoskvy.ru/hotel/ibis.html[/url] .
Also on this site they write about secial offers sometimes, so this can be useful to ask.
Thanks for the list and links Helena!
How's business by the way?
In the last messages, people wrote everything and the opposite of everything.
If you like Moscow, OK Moscow is for your tastes!
About professional prostitutes, Harlei has just reported an (bad) experience about that. The question is: how many customers had bad experiences and couldn't talk about those?
About danger in brothels, you need just to think in an adult way (not as children looking for the marmalade). If a foreigner goes alone to a brothel and he finds three or more prostitutes (and sometimes there is a real bodyguard escorting from/to the door), what can he do if a prostitute (often) cheats him for a lot of money (crisis? where?)? Can he complain??? He has just lost his money, and also he risks to be beaten by prostitutes or by the bodyguard. Moreover he risks to be stolen of everything. And he can't phone police because police is corrupted. Therefore it is wise to invite prostitutes in our hotel or flat. This is just a hint to avoid a lot of troubles. And I never had troubles with hotels. If necessary, negotiate and bribe for the hotel staff.
About GFE, there is a real GFE when you get everything, and everything is everything, from karoleski miniet (Russian pronounce) to vaginal fisting by a young and beautiful woman. For a plain pussy fucking, there is no sense to go abroad.
[QUOTE=Acolonizer]what can he do if a prostitute (often) cheats him for a lot of money (crisis? where?)? Can he complain??? He has just lost his money, and also he risks to be beaten by prostitutes or by the bodyguard. Moreover he risks to be stolen of everything. And he can't phone police because police is corrupted.[/QUOTE]Paranoia strikes deep,
Into your heart it will creep.
It starts when you're always afraid...
Oh yes, yes: that is real life, and when that happens, there is no solution for the trouble, and that happens periodically. This is an informational forum, and not a self-erotic chit chat.
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Paranoia strikes deep,
Into your heart it will creep.
It starts when you're always afraid...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Acolonizer]...and also he risks to be beaten by prostitutes or by the bodyguard....[/QUOTE]
Well by prostitutes it seems a bit difficult :D
Bodyguard has no reasons at all to beat a customer that behave well and honestly never had the feeling of no safety in private apts in Moscow....imho.
Never tried three angry prostitutes with their one-inch finger-nails in your eyes?
And you forgot, with prostitutes, honesty is a pure philosophical abstraction.
[QUOTE=Lukasek]Well by prostitutes it seems a bit difficult :D
Bodyguard has no reasons at all to beat a customer that behave well and honestly never had the feeling of no safety in private apts in Moscow....imho.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Acolonizer]Never tried three angry prostitutes with their one-inch finger-nails in your eyes?[/QUOTE]Aco,
I think your paranoia needs to be refuted, because this [b]is[/b] an informational board and there are a lot of guys out there who come here for advice and I don't want them to think that anything like what you are describing has ever happened in Moscow.
I have personally been in more than a few salons, massage parlors and private apartments in Moscow and I have never encountered anything that even remotely resembles the kind of belligerent behavior that you are describing. I think that my experience is typical. I imagine that most of the guys here, who have experience in Moscow, would confirm that. This is your own personal perspective on the world and you do not speak for anyone else.
From your posts, it seems that you are a belligerent kind of person, in general. You approach the world with a combative frame of mind. So, it is no wonder that if you go looking for a fight, you will find one. But your experience is unique to yourself and it does not necessarily represent what anyone else may find in Moscow, or anywhere else.
Stravinsky, you forgot:
- you speak Russian (very well, don't you?), and Russians can identify you as one of theirs;
- when people talk about prostitutes (women asking presents, money or anything else), people talk about a business only: nobody can be successful in a business with a naive approach. And further: no men can be successful in any relationship with a woman with a naive approach.
I am a very diplomatic boy, with an angelic face, with a good-manner, on thirties, well-groomed.
And that is not paranoia, instead that is cold statistics. In my first time in Moscow, I met 40 prostitutes selected from Internet sites, brothels and night clubs. I found just one only advertisement with real pictures, nice girl but not young, I fucked her anally (all, all indeed, women like that in the ass!), but sex was in general without passion and quite expensive (like any other thing in central Moscow). I went to a lot of brothels in central Moscow, and with my disappointment, prostitutes doubled prices when they understood I am a foreigner, I fucked one only young and sweet girl in a brothel, but before payment she said "yes, yes, yes" and after payment she said "no, no, no", I complained with her and her colleague, but they put me on the door, and many other stories, about your "famous" night clubs too.
As I am an experienced monger, I can report "Moscow doesn't deserve an (expensive) travel for sex" with no doubts.
How to ask men: how many of yours always get a karoleski miniet in Moscow for 30$?
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Aco,
I think your paranoia needs to be refuted, because this [b]is[/b] an informational board and there are a lot of guys out there who come here for advice and I don't want them to think that anything like what you are describing has ever happened in Moscow.
I have personally been in more than a few salons, massage parlors and private apartments in Moscow and I have never encountered anything that even remotely resembles the kind of belligerent behavior that you are describing. I think that my experience is typical. I imagine that most of the guys here, who have experience in Moscow, would confirm that. This is your own personal perspective on the world and you do not speak for anyone else.
From your posts, it seems that you are a belligerent kind of person, in general. You approach the world with a combative frame of mind. So, it is no wonder that if you go looking for a fight, you will find one. But your experience is unique to yourself and it does not necessarily represent what anyone else may find in Moscow, or anywhere else.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, couldn't resist not inserting myself into this little spat.
[QUOTE=Acolonizer]
you speak Russian (very well, don't you?), and Russians can identify you as one of theirs
[/QUOTE]
Haha! I don't think [i]anyone[/i] in Moscow would mistake Stravinsky for Russian! Hope you don't take offense to that, Strav, but it's the Gods-honest truth.
[QUOTE]
I am a very diplomatic boy, with an angelic face, with a good-manner, on thirties, well-groomed.
[/QUOTE]
Modest, too. I'm impressed.
[QUOTE]
[i]General bitching about the Moscow p4p scene redacted.[/i]
As I am an experienced monger, I can report "Moscow doesn't deserve an (expensive) travel for sex" with no doubts.
How to ask men: how many of yours always get a karoleski miniet in Moscow for 30$?[/QUOTE]
Herein lies the key to your disappointment, friend-o. You're expecting that young, attractive pros will accommodate your fetishes (swallow BJs and fisting) at bargain rates. NFW. Not in Moscow, and most likely, not anywhere - at least anywhere I've engaged in p4p: Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, China, Japan, Thailand, Vietnam, Mexico, Philippians, US, Czech, Slovakia, Hungary, Germany, Greece...
First off, with rare exception, salons (at least in Moscow) are CBJ only. Tolerate it, despise it, avoid it like the plague... that's just the way it is. As for swallowing - well, I can't say that I've had a single pro here do it. Ironically, offers of BBFS seem to be more common. That said, almost [b]all[/b] my freebie girls have swallowed without my even asking. Might be an avenue for you to consider. Second, girls able to take a guy's fist are usually... how to so it nicely... a bit [i]older[/i]. Finding a beautiful, young, big-titted dyev able to take a guy's fist [i]at any price[/i] will prove to be a challenge. That said, I have found one. Read my posts carefully, and you'll discover who, and where you can find her.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]C'mon Acon. That's ridiculous.
99% of the salons are cheating and dangerous? More like 99% are completely safe.
Kiev vs. Moscow is another story, the cities are less alike than one might think, both with their positive and negative sides.[/QUOTE]
I was once often going to a salon at the end of Arbat, not far from the ministry. After some time the owner/manager was even chit chatting with me and the girls were doing their best services… including anal and BBBJ, it is not in their interest to be too stupid.
The Gotika thing is really strange I was reading the report today… I never went out for such things…
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[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Haha! I don't think [i]anyone[/i] in Moscow would mistake Stravinsky for Russian! Hope you don't take offense to that, Strav, but it's the Gods-honest truth.[/QUOTE]LOL! No offense taken, P. :)
However, you may be surprised... While no one would take me for a Russian, no one that I have met in Eastern Europe has ever pegged me as an American. Typically Baltic states, sometimes Poland or maybe German, but never an American.
To be pegged as an American right off the bat, [b]that[/b] would be offensive!
Dear Strav, I thank for your honest reply.
I need to remind prostitution is a business only: there is no rules or morality about that. I didn't decide that. That is what exactly prostitutes think and behave in reality. Tender girls and sweet words are part of the business: who believes them, he is like a person who believes Santa Claus.
Therefore I want to buy a service for a honest price, I want that service is in good quality, I don't want to be cheated.
About swallow blowjobs, the reality is the opposite of what people think. In prostitution history, prostitutes work for (deepthroat) blowjobs above all, in the past there were no condoms, and therefore all blowjobs were swallowed. Now prostitutes are still used to work in that way. And I am very surprised to read here men talking about blowjobs with or without condoms! All my (Italian) married work colleagues when they talk about (and get) blowjobs, they always mean swallow blowjobs "because for a married man it doesn't make sense to get less sex than his wife"! (It is interesting like married men are perverted much more than singles: in fact married men are usually interested in things such as fistings, prolapses and other sadic treatments on prostitutes).
For information of this forum, a young vagina can receive up to three whole hand inside, and a young anus can receive up to two whole hands or half arm (about 35 centimetres) inside (with or without anesthetic cream such as Luan).
I know a logic rule about prostitution: if a woman usually makes swallow blowjobs, it is not sure she is used to uncovered vaginal and anal; instead if a woman usually makes uncovered vaginal and anal, it is sure she is used to swallow blowjobs. Therefore this is an easy rule to understand if a prostitute is surely a lier (about this matter).
At last, I want to remind everything I wrote is my personal statistics from my real experience, that is not a chit-chat or a philosophizing as most of men here.
And I want to reply a question of yours: yes, my first Ukrainian (with a Siberian origin) prostitute, met here in Italy, was young (19 years old), clean, beautiful, smart, sweet, piggish and she was used, from 13 years old, in Ukraine, to make things such as swallows, facials, double and triple penetration, multiple fistings etc. Unfortunately, this is the reality, not what people think.
Moreover, if Ukrainians and Russians always do that abroad, why couldn't they do that in their motherlands??? (Of course, they have learned that in their motherlands.)
I want to explain my last sentence in my previous report: "That's how to ask men: how many of yours always get a karoleski miniet in Moscow for 30$?". The successful of a monger is measured by this "sexual unit", the karoleski miniet aka the deepthroat swallow blowjob, with 1/1.5 blow per second, and for an average duration of 20 minutes (some short pauses are allowed meanwhile). If a man get a karoleski miniet immediately with no bargaining or very little bargaining, then that man is a very successful monger. Otherwise he is just a cheated man.
Anyway, ask pimps about this matter and they will reply you exactly what I wrote.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]
Herein lies the key to your disappointment, friend-o. You're expecting that young, attractive pros will accommodate your fetishes (swallow BJs and fisting) at bargain rates. NFW. Not in Moscow, and most likely, not anywhere - at least anywhere I've engaged in p4p: Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, China, Japan, Thailand, Vietnam, Mexico, Philippians, US, Czech, Slovakia, Hungary, Germany, Greece...
First off, with rare exception, salons (at least in Moscow) are CBJ only. Tolerate it, despise it, avoid it like the plague... that's just the way it is. As for swallowing - well, I can't say that I've had a single pro here do it. Ironically, offers of BBFS seem to be more common. That said, almost [b]all[/b] my freebie girls have swallowed without my even asking. Might be an avenue for you to consider. Second, girls able to take a guy's fist are usually... how to so it nicely... a bit [i]older[/i]. Finding a beautiful, young, big-titted dyev able to take a guy's fist [i]at any price[/i] will prove to be a challenge. That said, I have found one. Read my posts carefully, and you'll discover who, and where you can find her.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Acolonizer]The successful of a monger is measured by this "sexual unit", the karoleski miniet aka the deepthroat swallow blowjob, with 1/1.5 blow per second, and for an average duration of 20 minutes (some short pauses are allowed meanwhile). If a man get a karoleski miniet immediately with no bargaining or very little bargaining, then that man is a very successful monger. Otherwise he is just a cheated man.[/QUOTE]Ah, yes... the Korolevski minyet, "the King's blow job"
OK, I think I understand this. Let's see...
1/1.5 blow/sec for 20 minutes = 1200 seconds = 1200 to (1200/1.5=800) 800 blow for 30.00 = .025 to .0375 dollars/blow, right? But, wait a minute, some short pauses are allowed, so we need to recalculate.
If we assume a 2 sec. pause every, let's say, 20 blows (the King can afford to be generous, after all) what we have then is anywhere from 1200-(2 * 60) = 1080 blows to 800-(2 * 40) = 720 blows, which changes our original calculation to .0277 and .0416 dollars/blow, respectively.
So, then, all I have to do in order to make sure that I am not a cheated monger is to negotiate with the girl for no more than a maximum of .0416 dollars/blow, and I should be getting good value for my money.
I think this will not be a problem, assuming that I still want the blow job by the time I finish the negotiation. :)
With regard to swallowing, I'm not sure I understand your fascination. Certainly you don't believe that the girl is so impressed with your manhood that you are the only man whose cum she will swallow??? If she will swallow yours, then she will, most likely, swallow everyone else's. Even mine! :D
I'm sure you're a wonderful man Aco, very diplomatic, with an angelic face and a pleasant demeanor. Please excuse me, but I'm not sure I want to swap bodily fluids with a girl who has been swallowing your cum, or anyone else's. And you shouldn't either.
Arrividerci
At least, you are lovely.
There is no room to reply about any point of yours, because I have got at least one story for each of them.
Anyway it is sure, all men, every man, each man got a karoleski miniet for the first time, he was shocked for some days. Therefore this is a method to understand who gets real sex and who gets a plastic doll.
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Ah, yes... the Korolevski minyet, "the King's blowjob"
OK, I think I understand this. Let's see...
1/1.5 blow/sec for 20 minutes = 1200 seconds = 1200 to (1200/1.5=800) 800 blow for 30.00 = .025 to .0375 dollars/blow, right? But, wait a minute, some short pauses are allowed, so we need to recalculate.
If we assume a 2 sec. pause every, let's say, 20 blows (the King can afford to be generous, after all) what we have then is anywhere from 1200-(2 * 60) = 1080 blows to 800-(2 * 40) = 720 blows, which changes our original calulation to .0277 and .0416 dollars/blow, respectively.
So, then, all I have to do in order to make sure that I am not a cheated monger is to negotiate with the girl for no less than a minimum of .0416 dollars/blow, and I should be getting good value for my money.
I think this will not be a problem, assuming that I still want the blow job by the time I finish the negotiation. :)
With regard to swallowing, I'm not sure I understand your fascination. Certainly you don't believe that the girl is so impressed with your manhood that you are the only man whose cum she will swallow??? If she will swallow yours, then she will, most likely, swallow everyone else's. Even mine! :D
I'm sure you're a wonderful man Aco, very diplomatic, with an angelic face and a pleasant demeanor. Please excuse me, but I'm not sure I want to swap bodily fluids with a girl who has been swallowing your cum, or anyone else's. And you shouldn't either.
Arrividerci[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Acolonizer]I need to remind prostitution is a business only: there is no rules or morality about that. I didn't decide that. That is what exactly prostitutes think and behave in reality. Tender girls and sweet words are part of the business: who believes them, he is like a person who believes Santa Claus. QUOTE]
What do you mean no Santa!?! Who told you that? Its a lie.
Regards "no rules or morality", theres plenty of rules, the girls and clients invent their own rules i.e. no swallowing, kissing, condoms only, no Acolonizer, no kissing etc... Whats right for one girl or client may be wrong for another.
Prehaps if a girl is belligerent or cynical that is a reflection on the client.
Girls often reflect back what the client is like. That can be a positive to.
Cheers Nickc
[QUOTE=Nickc]Regards "no rules or morality", theres plenty of rules, the girls and clients invent their own rules i.e. no swallowing, kissing, condoms only, no Acolonizer...[/QUOTE]
No Acolonizer... Now that's a rule to live by.
[QUOTE=Nickc]...
Girls often reflect back what the client is like. That can be a positive too...[/QUOTE]
Hey Nickc,
very wise and well said !
That's interesting, people here have no ability in astraction. So it needs a material example.
A typical situation is the following: a young and nice prostitute makes an uncovered deepthroat-blowjob with a "facial", and she licks (and swallows) the cum taking from her fingers, for 10$ from a local "good" 55 years-old customer. After 30 minutes, she meets you, and she gets 100$ from you for a covered blowjob and a pussy fucking. What is the best sex? What is the best deal? It is sure, there are no doubts which one . . . but if you are still thinking "it depends on customer's expectations", then I understand why prostitutes are rich with no effort.
[QUOTE=Nickc][QUOTE=Acolonizer]I need to remind prostitution is a business only: there is no rules or morality about that. I didn't decide that. That is what exactly prostitutes think and behave in reality. Tender girls and sweet words are part of the business: who believes them, he is like a person who believes Santa Claus. QUOTE]
What do you mean no Santa!?! Who told you that? Its a lie.
Regards "no rules or morality", theres plenty of rules, the girls and clients invent their own rules i.e. no swallowing, kissing, condoms only, no Acolonizer, no kissing etc... Whats right for one girl or client may be wrong for another.
Prehaps if a girl is belligerent or cynical that is a reflection on the client.
Girls often reflect back what the client is like. That can be a positive to.
Cheers Nickc[/QUOTE]
By the way, the previous customer could be a dog:
[url]http://www.azbukasexa.ru/view/node-1710.html?tx2[/url]
And it is sure the dog pays less than you. But this is not important because you are glad the same.
[QUOTE=Nickc][QUOTE=Acolonizer]I need to remind prostitution is a business only: there is no rules or morality about that. I didn't decide that. That is what exactly prostitutes think and behave in reality. Tender girls and sweet words are part of the business: who believes them, he is like a person who believes Santa Claus. QUOTE]
What do you mean no Santa!?! Who told you that? Its a lie.
Regards "no rules or morality", theres plenty of rules, the girls and clients invent their own rules i.e. no swallowing, kissing, condoms only, no Acolonizer, no kissing etc... Whats right for one girl or client may be wrong for another.
Prehaps if a girl is belligerent or cynical that is a reflection on the client.
Girls often reflect back what the client is like. That can be a positive to.
Cheers Nickc[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Acolonizer] for 10$ from a local "good" 55 years-old customer.
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Acolonizer]
I am a very diplomatic boy, with an angelic face, with a good-manner, on thirties, well-groomed.
[/QUOTE]
Cheers Acoloniser.
Thanks for report. Please do share with us where you receive $10 blow jobs,
that would be a good report.
Cheers Nickc
p.s. how did you age from 'thirties' to '55 years old' in 3 days?
That was a typical example, that was a typical example, that was a typical example, do you understand now?
That's not about me!
[QUOTE=Nickc]Cheers Acoloniser.
Thanks for report. Please do share with us where you receive $10 blow jobs,
that would be a good report.
Cheers Nickc
p.s. how did you age from 'thirties' to '55 years old' in 3 days?[/QUOTE]
I created an account on Mamba, I couldn't before because my understanding of Russian is non-existent. So I have been wondering, have any of you had success in finding girls for short relationships, etc?
Anybody knows where we can find Toshkas in Moscow today?
What's the usual price?
Thanks
[QUOTE=Toptraveler1]Anybody knows where we can find Toshkas in Moscow today?
What's the usual price?
Thanks[/QUOTE]
Tochka or neither taxi driver will understand what you want ;)
There are a lot of point ( tochka in russian ) where they are, in this forum to pick up tochka is not so common as it was about 4 years ago, so not much updated info.
However, every taxi driver is updated about it, so start early evening, something as 21h, negotiate in advance with taxi driver the price and take your time to choose the right one you like at the price you think is right too.
And do not forget to report us, even better is you will take some pics of her :D
[QUOTE=Castonthis]I created an account on Mamba, I couldn't before because my understanding of Russian is non-existent. So I have been wondering, have any of you had success in finding girls for short relationships, etc?[/QUOTE]
It's a hit or miss. I scored with the second girl I started exchanging e-mails with. And another just in the same week. That was a year ago. Last 9-10 months was quiet. It either ended up with a girl working for a saloon, or she stopped replying after few messages. I am now connected with another girl whom I will meet next week. I don't think it's worth the effort. Real-life, I mean the normal clubs/bars, provides higher chances to get laid. Just be cool, act normal, be ready to buy few drinks. Do not invite to "your hotel". That pisses girls off as they feel like prostitutes. Invite them to "your home" which may well be your room in the hotel. It's the semantics that makes the difference. My two cents.
[QUOTE=Mattador]Just be cool, act normal, be ready to buy few drinks. [/QUOTE]And be prepared to lie a little bit if you have to.
Oh yes, of course. If they are using wonderbra to lie about their cup size, why should we not deviate slightly from the truth. That's part of the fun :)
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]And be prepared to lie a little bit if you have to.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mattador]I don't think it's worth the effort. Real-life, I mean the normal clubs/bars, provides higher chances to get laid.[/QUOTE]
I'm with you 100% there, Mattador. I wasted a lot of time on mamba and came up with essentially nothing. In the end, I find it's much easier to chat up a girl in a club. And then you at least know (Wonderbra and beer goggles aside) more-or-less what you're getting.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]...I wasted a lot of time on mamba and came up with essentially nothing....[/QUOTE]
Privetik Pizdyets,
if you came with nothing, considering you live in Moscow or you are there often, know the city, speak I guess russian better than my english ;) so.... I could easily delete my account there ;)
Seriously in 2004-2005 I got a lot from mamba, actually....waste of time despite some exercise of communicating in russian
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]I wasted a lot of time on mamba and came up with essentially nothing.[/QUOTE]Last summer, I was in Moscow and I did spend some time on mamba. I found pros and semi-pros working apparently on their own (When I say semi-pro, I mean a girl that have a regular job and is escorting on a regular basis).
For me it was fun to chase them on mamba and to meet them in their home or in a small apartment in the suburbs. I found several ones that were really worth the time spend on mamba, I even plan to visit them on my next trip to Moscow.
Of course I had to speak a little Russian as most of them don't speak any other language and the most difficult part was when I had to understand them on the phone (several times I used a taxi driver).
As regard to tochkas, I would be glad to get more information. I heard that some tochkas where in metro stations. Is that true? Which metro station?
Thanks to Jackson and to all those who write information on this forum, it is a great help!
Has someone used this site?
[url]http://www.moscow-escortmodels.com/[/url]
[QUOTE=Lukasek]There are a lot of point ( tochka in russian ) where they are, in this forum to pick up tochka is not so common as it was about 4 years ago, so not much updated info.[/QUOTE]In my opinion the golden age of tochka ended when they cracked down on the Ukrainian and Moldovan girls and forced them out of the business (or into other branches or deportation) about 6 years ago. After that prices went up and service went down.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]I'm with you 100% there, Mattador. I wasted a lot of time on mamba and came up with essentially nothing. In the end, I find it's much easier to chat up a girl in a club. And then you at least know (Wonderbra and beer goggles aside) more-or-less what you're getting.[/QUOTE]In my experience it varies by city.
Moscow- worst. Many, many prostitutes. That's not a bad thing per se, but since many are fronting for salons or using false advertising, not so cool. The freebie type are often serial surfers, meaning they just enjoy the attention and chit-chat and are only vaguely interested in meeting. A waste of time, especially since I have lost the nerve to do the serial dating thing. It produced a lot of freebie (relatively speaking) sex, but was boring with time. Clubs or street game are more fun.
Kiev- best. Lot's of freebies and cheap $50-70/hour pros that come to your apartment.
Odessa- terrible. Crawling with haggard and cold pros.
St.Petersburg- average. Met some good freebies (another one as recently as 2 weeks ago) as well as good pros there. Some false advertising, but well within parameters.
Regional cities- average. Often the best way to get first contact in a new city.
Bear in mind this is talking about the 18-25 girls. I imagine the countless 30+ crowd is more available and will be mostly true freebies just looking for some light in their lives. Not been my thing yet though among Russian girls. ))
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]In my experience it varies by city.
[/QUOTE]
Re: Mamba -totally agree. It varies by city. Moscow was not good. But for myself and a fellow member, Vladivostok has been good for mamba.
It appears girls are more genuine mamba users in some smaller cities.
Has anybody ever tried out Russian sexbombs? It's an internet site but I couldn't find anything over them. I heard that the site is a fake. But I was wondering if any of you knew if it was or not?
This report is about my visit to Charmel few months ago (sorry for the delay).
For the record, I can speak Russian relatively fluently and was very much helped by this forum in zooming on 3 salons: Charmel, Fantasys and Elite Tv. I chose Charmel for some reason and was pleased with it. As this was my first visit to a Moscow salon, I was prepared for the worst. Yet, the service was quite professional in terms of discretion, girls, and amenities. 4000 rubles for an hour, I believe.
I may have been lucky with a girl, as she was friendly. I was put off by a refusal to do uncovered BJ and let my fingers inside her VJJ. Aside from that, she's was quite charming and looked much better than on the photo on their website. Given my preference for fresh-faced, 18-22 year olds with perfect figure and baby face - this is a complement for this salon.
Cons - the entire meeting me on the street and escorting me in routine was a bit off putting. I selected a girl (Masha) from ~7 girls, but no one asked me what I prefer and provided me with recommendations. Given that they did talk to me deliberately after the session to solicit my comments, I was surpirsed that they didn't consider asking a client what he wants BEFORE he sees the girls.
I may be in Moscow soon and consider trying Fantasy's, as they moved to better location I hear. Are there other places that people here would recommend, given my above-mentioned preference of girls?
On another topic - I did try to find freebies in the style of Dr. Skank. I went to Che and was disappointed by talent there. No stunners. I also went to Karma and didn't find stunners there, or close to it. Perhaps, I left too early (11-12 at night - I don't like to ruine the next day by going to be too late)? In any case, the combination of bad luck and my general lack of agility to pick up girls when I'm alone may have contributed to my glaring failure. Perhaps, I should go to another club this time to try my luck. Freebies is really what my heart desires...
Best to all. Aibolit
[QUOTE=Aibolit]On another topic - I did try to find freebies in the style of Dr. Skank. I went to Che and was disappointed by talent there. No stunners. I also went to Karma and didn't find stunners there, or close to it. Perhaps, I left too early (11-12 at night - I don't like to ruine the next day by going to be too late)? In any case, the combination of bad luck and my general lack of agility to pick up girls when I'm alone may have contributed to my glaring failure. Perhaps, I should go to another club this time to try my luck. Freebies is really what my heart desires...
Best to all. Aibolit[/QUOTE]No worries Aibolit. I strike out a lot too...:)
There is nothing automatic about clubbing or picking up freebies.
A couple of hints however:
11-12 pm is too early for any club. You can usually only tell about 1.30 am if a club has potential.
It also helps that by 1.30-2 am your drink starts setting in and 6s become 7s, 7s become 8s and 8s becoming smoking hot sexbombs.
I have no idea if Karma is any good, haven't been there in a long time.
Che is a good place to pick up chicks and there is usually action there, however most girls run in the 6-7 category. They purposely keep the young kids 18-21 out of there and try catering to a more monied crowd. Still, it is one of the best clubs in Moscow in terms of having a good time. My only major beef there is that it is very well known on the expat circuit, lots of them. The good thing is most of them go home by 2am... just when the party there gets started. :))
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]A couple of hints however:[/QUOTE]
I'd add that Aibolit obviously leaved too quickly. In a club, impatience is your worst enemy.
A relaxed attitude and just the right dose of aloofness takes you far. Haste and agitation don't.
YMMV though.
This hotel had lost its casino since introduction of a new law against casino in Moscow. Today, there are offering some attractive rates for the rooms – I ‘m using to pay between 3’900 and 4’200 for a double room – and they guaranteed us no more than 5’000RUB. Per night with breakfast and all taxes.
This hotel located in Kosygin street (ул. Косыгина ) is “girls friendly”, no problem to bring someone at any time –
Inside you can find 911 Erotic Club and, depending of the day, there could be a lot of working girls for “room service”. These girls should work for a shift of 9 hours long and are strictly monitored and supervised by a “mama-san”.
The best price you can get for one hour of basic service is 6’000RUB, half (3’000RUB) is going to the pocket of the “mama-san”.
Depending of your negotiation skills (and if you speak a little bit Russian…..) the basic service could include
• BBBJ
• Classical Sex
• French Kisses
All others options are extra costs; normally 1’000RUB for anal or for CIM if the girl is willing to do.
The price is for one hour / one shot.
Thanks for the report. It is important people write their experiences. Moreover, I need to underline that 6000 rubles are 150 euros, and this is not good bargain at all. I would like to receive a reply by masters "where is crisis (in Moscow)?".
[QUOTE=Scoubidou]This hotel had lost its casino since introduction of a new law against casino in Moscow. Today, there are offering some attractive rates for the rooms – I ‘m using to pay between 3’900 and 4’200 for a double room – and they guaranteed us no more than 5’000RUB. Per night with breakfast and all taxes.
This hotel located in Kosygin street (ул. Косыгина ) is “girls friendly”, no problem to bring someone at any time –
Inside you can find 911 Erotic Club and, depending of the day, there could be a lot of working girls for “room service”. These girls should work for a shift of 9 hours long and are strictly monitored and supervised by a “mama-san”.
The best price you can get for one hour of basic service is 6’000RUB, half (3’000RUB) is going to the pocket of the “mama-san”.
Depending of your negotiation skills (and if you speak a little bit Russian…..) the basic service could include
• BBBJ
• Classical Sex
• French Kisses
All others options are extra costs; normally 1’000RUB for anal or for CIM if the girl is willing to do.
The price is for one hour / one shot.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]
Che is a good place to pick up chicks and there is usually action there, however most girls run in the 6-7 category. They purposely keep the young kids 18-21 out of there and try catering to a more monied crowd. [/QUOTE]
Thank you, Dr. Skank, for the tip. If I'm on a long trip to Moscow, I may venture to kill my next day by arriving to the Che party at 1:30 am. However, given that I love very young beauty and don't drink much, 6-7 category of >21 y.o. girls at Che will make my suffering too costly, I afraid.
This time, however, I'm coming for a short time. So, any place you know where some stunners can be found and approached?
Also, given the fickle nature of the freebie effort, I wonder if Sauna is something that one can consider. The ideal will be to spend half a day in a nice sauna, eating, drinking and you know what with a couple of very good looking young girls that will be both uninhibited and not too expensive. Is this something that is in the realm of possibility? Do Saunas have line ups to choose from? If so, how are these line ups compared to the Salons, both in talent and cost?
I hope to write a more upbeat report after my upcoming trip is over. Best,
Aibolit
[QUOTE=Prosal]I'd add that Aibolit obviously leaved too quickly. In a club, impatience is your worst enemy.
A relaxed attitude and just the right dose of aloofness takes you far. Haste and agitation don't.
YMMV though.[/QUOTE]
Completely agree. My problem (pardon my psycho analysis) is not the lack of aloofness, but the excess of it. I am always going alone and when I do I tend to just watch and not act, as I find almost every girl somewhat unworthy of my effort. I also like people to approach me and not the other way around. I know it's silly, I know. I am much more audacious and less discerning when in a company, but I rarely am.
I am planning to visit Moscow next mont (first week of April).
Is anyone there this period and willing to explore together?
Thanks.
Aibolit,
try Up and Down if you were disappointed by the Che crowd.
[QUOTE=Passepartout]try Up and Down[/QUOTE]I STILL haven't been there... want want!
BTW, while on the subject of clubs, what is hot right now... besides Up and Down?
Still Rai, Opera, Soho Rooms etc., or is there something new?[QUOTE=Aibolit]I am always going alone and when I do I tend to just watch and not act, as I find almost every girl somewhat unworthy of my effort. I also like people to approach me and not the other way around. I know it's silly, I know. I am much more audacious and less discerning when in a company, but I rarely am.[/QUOTE]That happens when you go out alone, it's almost universal.
I actually have had girls approach me when alone, which is rare enough in EE, but they always asked me why I looked so sad... :) Took me a while to figure out they were hitting on me. :)
You can combine aloofness and initiative though, I've learned to do it. I tend now to just ask girls random irrelevant questions. Only thing that matters is making contact and really any question will do.
[QUOTE=Aibolit]Also, given the fickle nature of the freebie effort, I wonder if Sauna is something that one can consider. The ideal will be to spend half a day in a nice sauna, eating, drinking and you know what with a couple of very good looking young girls that will be both uninhibited and not too expensive. Is this something that is in the realm of possibility? Do Saunas have line ups to choose from? If so, how are these line ups compared to the Salons, both in talent and cost?[/QUOTE]I haven't done the sauna thing much, but it can be a lot of fun. BUT... it is much more fun in a group AND most saunas do not have their own lineups. They do not object to girls of ill repute being there and some may offer to order girls for you (from a neighboring salon), but as stated before, most saunas in Moscow (at least in my experience) do not have an in-house staff.
I understand that in other cities it is common to have such lineups, but thus far this has not been my experience in Moscow.
Maybe somebody with more experience can jump in here? Perhaps I am wrong.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]I tend now to just ask girls random irrelevant questions. Only thing that matters is making contact and really any question will do.[/QUOTE]LOL!
I can imagine the scene now in my mind's eye...
The ever-debonair Doc, standing at the bar of the latest hot spot in Moscow, clad in his Armani jacket, perfectly coiffed, carefully manicured, toying with his flute of Dom Perignon. He stands aloof, cool as a cucumber, a bastion of indifference amid a sea of vanity.
Every female in the club eyes him surreptitiously, longingly. Who could he be?
He scans the club, dispassionately selecting his next victim. Who will it be: brunetka... rizha...? His eyes land on the tall blondinka, the oligarch's toy, in the booth at the back. Her perfect breasts defy gravity, her long pencil-thin legs encased in a sequined mini-skirt and her angelic face capable of launching a thousand ships.
Their eyes meet and Doc has his prey. He leaves the bar and moves slowly, yet deliberately to his target. One look from him and the oligarch's okhraniki part like the Red Sea. They meet face to face and she gazes into his eyes, expectant yet fearful.
Doc leans in and whispers into her delicate, perfumed ear...
так, часто вы придёте здесь? (So, you come here often?)
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]LOL!
Doc leans in and whispers into her delicate, perfumed ear.
(So, you come here often?)[/QUOTE]Hey! Do not forget that we are men and they are women and the strange being they are has a very weird way to think.
If a woman wants you, when you talk to her, you may say the most stupid thing she will appreciate because you show interest to her; if she does not want you, whatever you say, she is not interested. And many women told me that when they see a man for the first time, within a second they know if sex will be possible or not.
Plus several Russian girls told me: "Of course, the girl you talk to, she knows from the very beginning that you want sex, but never ever talk about it in the first place and if you have nothing interesting to say ask a stupid question such as "What time is it? " You are not at all ruining your chances in doing so but you would definitely ruin them in telling directly what you have in mind".
It is like giving flowers to women, weird but it woks!
[QUOTE=Crosby]I am planning to visit Moscow next mont (first week of April).
Is anyone there this period and willing to explore together?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]I want to explore.
When do you arrive?
P.s. sorry, your PM is forbidden.
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]LOL!
I can imagine the scene now in my mind's eye...
The ever-debonair Doc, standing at the bar of the latest hot spot in Moscow, clad in his Armani jacket, perfectly coiffed, carefully manicured, toying with his flute of Dom Perignon. He stands aloof, cool as a cucumber, a bastion of indifference amid a sea of vanity.
Every female in the club eyes him surreptitiously, longingly. Who could he be?
He scans the club, dispassionately selecting his next victim. Who will it be: brunetka... rizha...? His eyes land on the tall blondinka, the oligarch's toy, in the booth at the back. Her perfect breasts defy gravity, her long pencil-thin legs encased in a sequined mini-skirt and her angelic face capable of launching a thousand ships.
Their eyes meet and Doc has his prey. He leaves the bar and moves slowly, yet deliberately to his target. One look from him and the oligarch's okhraniki part like the Red Sea. They meet face to face and she gazes into his eyes, expectant yet fearful.
Doc leans in and whispers into her delicate, perfumed ear...
так, часто вы придёте здесь? (So, you come here often?)[/QUOTE]Haha, something like that... :)
Right now I am nursing the massive hangover I've had all day while pencil-thin legs snores on the couch next to me. Gotta wake her up and get her dancing shoes on... .) Rocked Kalina and Real McCoy last night and she's since more or less moved in... ) Don't remember all details about RM last night, except that she was dancing sexy go-go and getting everybody hot while I was drinking long islands at the table next to the dancefloor. Just to make sure things stayed in control I'd beckon her over every 3rd song or so and make her lick my face up and down while sticking her ass in the air.
We were popular. :)
Hey kids, March 8th is coming up soon, don't forget your girls, they'll never forgive you if you do!
I am going to Moscow for business on 13th march next, spending one night at the Aerostar Hotel. Then I am going to Nizhny Tagil from 14th March next to 20th March.
Does anyone know Nizhny Tagil? It's first time there for me and I should go back again almost two ore three times in the next few months. It should be interesting to know how is possible to find kind girls to spend some nights.
Thanks.
Alex
Stravinski certainly should consider a writing career (unless he is a writer already). Quite a depiction of Dr. Skank!
As for the quesiton of Saunas - I hear it's a real Russian passion! Is there anyone on the forum who experienced good Russian sauna with girls? It would be greatly appreciate to have some recommendations n the matter! I really don't know how to approach this, but would like to indulge myself in a nice threesome in a nice sauna, provided it's not as unreasonably expensive as most Moscow strip clubs.
I thank you all in advance, Aibolit.
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]
так, часто вы придёте здесь? (So, you come here often?)[/QUOTE]
LOL - great writing, Strav. But keep it in English. You're mixing your perfect and imperfect verbs. :)
Pedantically yours,
Pizdyets ;)
[QUOTE=Aibolit]
As for the quesiton of Saunas - I hear it's a real Russian passion! Is there anyone on the forum who experienced good Russian sauna with girls? It would be greatly appreciate to have some recommendations n the matter! [/QUOTE]
I've been to a lot of banyas during my ten years here. Most can arrange girls for you, but you'll pay much more in the end. Last place I hit with visiting VIPs had (admittedly stunning) girls to offer for 15K PER HOUR. That's a lot of money in any country! I suggest you BYOB (bring your own b!tch). Either outcall from one of the places recommended here, try your luck on rusdosug/intimcity/etc or outcall a favourite from Fantasy's/Elit/Charmel (they will outcall, but for 3 hour minimum - no problem with a banya trip). Most of the banyas will only have a single bedroom, so economically it makes the most sense to just get one girl and tag-team her. That's assuming you don't mind sharing girls - personally (as some will attest to here ;) ) I don't.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]
I have no idea if Karma is any good, haven't been there in a long time.
[/QUOTE]
Karma has sucked the last three times I went there. I don't bother anymore. Coyote Ugly is right up the street from it, and much better talent.
[QUOTE]
Che is a good place to pick up chicks and there is usually action there, however most girls run in the 6-7 category. They purposely keep the young kids 18-21 out of there and try catering to a more monied crowd. Still, it is one of the best clubs in Moscow in terms of having a good time. My only major beef there is that it is very well known on the expat circuit, lots of them. The good thing is most of them go home by 2am... just when the party there gets started. :))[/QUOTE]
Che is hit-or-miss. For example, the last time I went there with Skank, we arrived at around 5:30am. Within 30 minutes, we had pulled a couple big-titted 20 y.o. studentki to our table and Doc was playing tonsil-hockey with his as I was doing some dirty dancing with mine. But last week I went there with another friend and discovered a tragedy of 30-something secretaries and obnoxious expats.
I also need to try Up and Down, btw... Group outing?
[QUOTE=Aibolit]This report is about my visit to Charmel few months ago (sorry for the delay).
For the record, I can speak Russian relatively fluently and was very much helped by this forum in zooming on 3 salons: Charmel, Fantasys and Elite Tv. I chose Charmel for some reason and was pleased with it. As this was my first visit to a Moscow salon, I was prepared for the worst. Yet, the service was quite professional in terms of discretion, girls, and amenities. 4000 rubles for an hour, I believe.
I may have been lucky with a girl, as she was friendly. I was put off by a refusal to do uncovered BJ and let my fingers inside her VJJ. Aside from that, she's was quite charming and looked much better than on the photo on their website. Given my preference for fresh-faced, 18-22 year olds with perfect figure and baby face - this is a complement for this salon.
Cons - the entire meeting me on the street and escorting me in routine was a bit off putting. I selected a girl (Masha) from ~7 girls, but no one asked me what I prefer and provided me with recommendations. Given that they did talk to me deliberately after the session to solicit my comments, I was surpirsed that they didn't consider asking a client what he wants BEFORE he sees the girls.
I may be in Moscow soon and consider trying Fantasy's, as they moved to better location I hear. Are there other places that people here would recommend, given my above-mentioned preference of girls?
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Glad you had a good time!
I've had Masha before too (though at Fantasy's, not Charmel). She's a sweetie, for sure. And what a hard body... mmm. One of the few Muslim girls I've fucked. CBJ is standard at those salons (actually, almost ALL salons I've been to in Moscow). But most girls will allow DATY and vaginal/anal finger fucking - if not immediately from the start, then after you get them heated up.
According to their website(s), most of the girls are now working at Fantasy's, at their new digs on Pokrovka 40 (not far from the old Safari). Last time I went there, the lineup was 12+ girls, most in the 8+ range. It's expensive for a Moscow salon, but you really do get what you pay for.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Last place I hit with visiting VIPs had (admittedly stunning) girls to offer for 15K PER HOUR.[/QUOTE]Was that; Dollars, Euros or Rubles?
[QUOTE]But keep it in English. You're mixing your perfect and imperfect verbs.[/QUOTE]Criticizing you always will be making! :D
You are right, however, it's an important issue and something every monger should be aware of. The second a Russian dyevchonka hears you mixing perfect and imperfect verbs, that's the end of it right there. A Russian woman will take a lot of abuse from a man, but that's an absolute deal-breaker. :)
I plan to go to Moscow next week (plus week-end). I'll stay at the hotel Kosmos.
Do you know that hotel? Is there something there? I've seen there's a night club, any info?
Thanks
Hi,
I'll be at the hotel Kosmos next week (and the week-end) in Moscow. How is it? Is there some action there?
I've seen there is a night-club inside. Any info?
Thanks
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Coyote Ugly is right up the street from it, and much better talent.
I also need to try Up and Down, btw... Group outing?[/QUOTE]
Thank you for the sauna and other advice, Pizdyets. Based on the advice, I am inclined to try Fantasy's with the eye on exporting the 1-2 ladies I hopefully will like there to a nice Sauna for 3-4 hours (next day). By the way, my plan is to go alone to sauna with 1-2 nice girls. Any suggestion of a good, clean sauna that would be well-fit for the above-mentioned plan?
I'm potentially up for a "group outing" to Coyote Ugly, Up&Down or other places that you guys know probably much better than I. However, I'll be in Moscow only in ~3 weeks from now and don't yet know my schedule. Let me know if something transpires around that time.
All the best, Aibolit
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Karma has sucked the last three times I went there. I don't bother anymore. Coyote Ugly is right up the street from it, and much better talent.
Che is hit-or-miss. For example, the last time I went there with Skank, we arrived at around 5:30am. Within 30 minutes, we had pulled a couple big-titted 20 y.o. studentki to our table and Doc was playing tonsil-hockey with his as I was doing some dirty dancing with mine. But last week I went there with another friend and discovered a tragedy of 30-something secretaries and obnoxious expats.
I also need to try Up and Down, btw... Group outing?[/QUOTE]Coyote is a cool place, went there again last Friday. I also think it has somehow replaced Karma as the place to go for expats as every time I am there I hear a lot of English being spoken. Whether that is good or bad is tough to say as such places usually do draw some talent, but the expat factor can also be a negative for obvious reasons.
Friday the talent was mixed, although I wasn't actively looking since I was with a date. What I do like there is all the dancing sluts on the bar and some of the wait staff is quite hot. I really really really wanna fuck the head bargirl with the fake n' bake tan. She's quite a *****, but I've seen her dancing on the bar once doing body shots on some chick and she's got some sizzle.
As for Up an Down, let's give it a go next time I am in town...
I remember the Che outing you mentioned, and yeah, those girls did have some great tits. They were quite fit girls too, nothing wrong with that... )
I would agree Karma sucks.
Went a few times last summer and I also had a tricky incident there. I approached an absolute sex bomb who turned to be a Latvian who could not speak a word of Russian or English, lost her wallet and seemed to be "high" (who knows what business brought her to Moscow). Fuelled by several "vodka s sokom" I managed to break the communication barrier and we ended up outrageously dancing but unfortunately the male local audience did not approve the show. I was pushed around and told not to rob their ladies (even when they found out she was not Russian!) and due to "popular demand" I had to run away but managed to do it with the girl in hand. Sadly she wanted more dancing in Propaganda and unfortunately I run out of cash for the taxi fare. By the time I was drove to the ATM my butterfly had already jumped out the car and lost her. I hope at least some luck bastard could benefit from my early efforts!
I went to Karma again last month (this time with company). There are now go-go dancers an that seems to attracts an ever seedier clientele (lots of loud horny Turkish tourists).
Do not bother either with Bonny & Clyde in Tverskaya, overpriced drinks and very little action going on.
I have to say Moscow seems to be a café place paradise for the quantity, variety and flexibility of time tables however I still have not find a night club I truly like so much to become a regular.
The most fun (without necessarily involving picking up) I have found in retro/underground Russian bars where I have been taken by one-off bar acquaintances. Unfortunately too drunk most of the time to remember how to get there again
Vigilante
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Coyote is a cool place, went there again last Friday. I also think it has somehow replaced Karma as the place to go for expats as every time I am there I hear a lot of English being spoken. Whether that is good or bad is tough to say as such places usually do draw some talent, but the expat factor can also be a negative for obvious reasons.
Friday the talent was mixed, although I wasn't actively looking since I was with a date. What I do like there is all the dancing sluts on the bar and some of the wait staff is quite hot. I really really really wanna fuck the head bargirl with the fake n' bake tan. She's quite a *****, but I've seen her dancing on the bar once doing body shots on some chick and she's got some sizzle.
As for Up an Down, let's give it a go next time I am in town...
I remember the Che outing you mentioned, and yeah, those girls did have some great tits. They were quite fit girls too, nothing wrong with that... )[/QUOTE]
I would be happy to go with you to Up and Down next week too.
or unknown reason, fridays nights are more crowded than saturdays in up and down.
Let me know if you go out lads!
For Coyotte Ugly, i am still not convince. Tons of expats and questionable dievoutchis (means for me: fat) the last 2 times i went... weird.
[QUOTE=Passepartout]For Coyotte Ugly, i am still not convince. Tons of expats and questionable dievoutchis (means for me: fat) the last 2 times i went... weird.[/QUOTE]That's what I meant by the talent is mixed... .) There are definitely a lot of unacceptable devs there, but some of the very fuckable type as well.
What I don't know however is the availability of the hotter ones. There are a lot of groups that come there as well, and groups that come together tend to leave together. Also the club hires some hot girls to dance amongst the crowd as well, to liven things up. They are obviously unavailable as well, at least one would think so.
I still really enjoy it there though, one of only 2 clubs I've been to that plays good music, the other being Krisis Zhanra.
[QUOTE=Toto Rosebud1338]Hi,
I'll be at the hotel Kosmos next week (and the week-end) in Moscow. How is it? Is there some action there?
I've seen there is a night-club inside. Any info?
Thanks[/QUOTE]When I was there a couple years ago there were some girls working in the lobby, approaching guys asking to give them "sex massage".
I don't have any current info though.
I think the club is called "Solaris" and I also HEARD that there were girls working there, but didn't try myself. It would be interesting to know...
Any idea of the tarif for girls directly at the hotel?
While I already decided to try Fantasy's during my impending trip to Moscow, I was unsure about the talent posted on their website. Perhaps, I do have a problem here, as my preferences are quite demanding:
1. Young 18-22 y.o. face that is fresh and not *****-like.
2. Positive attitude, challenging positions, playful and ready to please.
3. Perfect body - not a gram of extra fat. Long legs, natural boobs.
After hearing many people rave about Fantasy's, Charmel and Elit TV (granted, my one and only visit to Charmel was positive) - I made a thorough scanning of the pictures on their 3 websites. I found it very difficult to find the talent that fits the above-mentioned criteria. The following girls approached the ideal:
Fantasy's (now called Atell) - Lika, Katya, Oksana, perhaps Diana.
Elite TV - Marina and Masha
Charmel - Veronica
I have also searched Dosug.nz and found that some good looking girls can be found at Randez-vous and Amsterdam salons.
So, for those of us who must have the above-mentioned quality, I pose the following quesitons:
1. Have anyone heard of Randez-vous and Amsterdam salons?
2. Are there other salons that select ladies mostly according to my criteria above?
3. Are Fantasy's, Elite TV and Charmel indeed the best places in Moscow, or it is just popular with expats who don't explore beyond the mainstream?
Best, Aibolit
[QUOTE=Aibolit]...indeed the best places in Moscow, or it is just popular with expats who don't explore beyond the mainstream?
Best, Aibolit[/QUOTE]Personally I have always felt that those who try to overplan, or overanalyse where the absolute best of this or that is in Moscow are kind of missing the point about Moscow.
The best place is where you are right now, if you understand what I mean.
I appreciate your efforts to figure out as much as you can pre-trip, but as a monger you have both to go with the flow and do some exploration yourself.
And after you do, don't forget to report. 99% of the guys that get advice from this forum never report back.
By the way, it's been mentioned before, but an "up to the minute" more detailed report on Moscow can be found on the Russian language site sextalk.ru... if you can navigate the language.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]The best place is where you are right now, if you understand what I mean.[/QUOTE]
Thats a Bingo Dr. !!!
But I think you can say this of all mongering and maybe even life in general, though I myself do not always see it.
These forums are great, but there is a tendency to over analyze & plan that comes along with them. For me I find one can only get the slightest of flavor from the forum, then one has to get out there and work with what the moment brings. This is the the fun, the juice, of mongering.
AM
Can only agree with Angus and the Good Doctor.
There is a need to Go with the Flow as well as with the Playbook.
Once the heavy waft of Estrogen is in the air, it`s time for a monger to improvise while adhering to your core principles. Call it Fun rather than assembly line. Creative game and follow-through are the pepper corns in the steak sauce.
We can usually end up in the same place, but it is the journey that sets it apart from the mundane and adds the spark.
E.
[QUOTE=Angus Magee]Thats a Bingo Dr. !!!
But I think you can say this of all mongering and maybe even life in general, though I myself do not always see it.
These forums are great, but there is a tendency to over analyze & plan that comes along with them. For me I find one can only get the slightest of flavor from the forum, then one has to get out there and work with what the moment brings. This is the the fun, the juice, of mongering.
AM[/QUOTE]
I am back on this valuable forum after a while and begin with the request for a contribution ... hoping to be able to reciprocate with my own contributions shortly.
Anyone has experience of a couple mother + daughter receiving men together for a threesome?
What is the press to refer to for this kind of advertising in Moscow and/or online?
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Was that; Dollars, Euros or Rubles?
[/QUOTE]
15,000 rubles = 370 euro = 505 dollars
PER HOUR
There's only a handful of Russian girls that I'd pay that much for, and they weren't working there that night!
[QUOTE]
Criticizing you always will be making! :D
You are right, however, it's an important issue and something every monger should be aware of. The second a Russian dyevchonka hears you mixing perfect and imperfect verbs, that's the end of it right there. A Russian woman will take a lot of abuse from a man, but that's an absolute deal-breaker. :)[/QUOTE]
Ironically, I end up speaking English with most my Russian GFs since they want to practice their English. Or maybe I'm just mixing up perfect/imperfect and verbs of motion too much!
[QUOTE=Aibolit]
So, for those of us who must have the above-mentioned quality, I pose the following quesitons:
1. Have anyone heard of Randez-vous and Amsterdam salons?
2. Are there other salons that select ladies mostly according to my criteria above?
3. Are Fantasy's, Elite TV and Charmel indeed the best places in Moscow, or it is just popular with expats who don't explore beyond the mainstream?
[/QUOTE]
1. heard of them... never been there. There are literally 100s of salons/apartmenty in Moscow, so aside from a handful of the serial wh0remongers on sextalk.ru, nobody could have tried them all.
2. it's a crapshoot, really. In any case, the internet will not reflect reality, no matter how reputable the salon. There will almost always be new girls not reflected on the website, and some degree of Photoshop is usually involved.
3. to my knowledge, they don't speak English there, so I'm doubting if they're [b]that[/b] popular with expats. Actually, of the regular contributors on this forum, only a few of us frequent those salons (most likely for that reason). I've been to other, cheaper salons and had good experiences, but in terms of location, discretion, cleanliness, style, service and consistent level of attractive dyeffki, the CharmFantElit cartel has only rarely left me disappointed.
I appreciate and agree with the advice to "go with the flow", particularly when applied to freebie hunt. However, when one is in Moscow for few days only, planning can be helpful, especially with P4P. That way, precious time is not spent on research of where to go etc. So, will anyone consider addressing my questions from yesterday?
I did check sextalk.ru - thank you, Dr. Sakank. I was able to find a lot of reports about individual girls. Couldn't find much about establishments, such as salons or saunas etc. Any suggestions here?
I do plan to right back a report and appreciate in advance any help with these quesitons. Best,
Aibolit
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Personally I have always felt that those who try to overplan, or overanalyse where the absolute best of this or that is in Moscow are kind of missing the point about Moscow.
[/QUOTE]
Fully agree with that.
Aibolit, look at the answer of Piezdiest: what you see on the internet is rarely what you will find. Btw for the mentioned saloon, i was always disappointed by the pictures on the internet and always amazed by the girls when i entered into the magic room where the line-up is waiting for you.
I am sure you will find your "rai" even with your criteria in most of these saloon.
How does Moscow compare in terms of prices and quality with Germany FKK's? What are the prices for top quality girls in top quality clubs (like the German's FKK's)?
Hallo everybody, I just come back from Moscow, I have been there 2 days, I was in Cosmos hotel.
From 10 pm to 7 am you can find in the lobby 15-20 girls that you can bring to the room without any problem, the price is 6500 rub for 1hr with 2 shots.
3 mounths ago was more expensive (8000) but probably the crisis is also here..
To bring a lady from outside is impossible, you must register her and pay of course as an hotel guest!
[QUOTE=Aibolit]However, when one is in Moscow for few days only, planning can be helpful, especially with P4P. That way, precious time is not spent on research of where to go etc.[/QUOTE]It's true, if you will only be in Moscow for a few days, some planning is in order to make the most efficient use of your time. Read through this forum thoroughly and sextalk.ru. Get a good map of the city and familiarize yourself with the layout. Locate the places you will want to visit in advance, make sure you understand the street and address (Russian addresses being a whole 'nother subject in itself). Make sure you have telephone numbers and any other relevant contact info written down. Nothing worse than arriving in Moscow, expecting to find the info you need on the internet and then discover that the internet "nye robotaiyet".
And that's about it, there really isn't much more you can do.
If you go to sextalk and click on
[i]Клуб Любителей Секса® - Москва[/i] (Sex lover's club - Moscow)
you can look up any phone number. You will see a line
[i]Метапоиск анкет по номеру телефона на досуговых сайтах:[/i]
enter in your phone number into the search engine and press
[i]Искать[/i]
it will return whatever info is available from sextalk for that phone number. If you type in the numbers for Fantasys or Charmel, it will return reviews about the girls who work there, which may help you to narrow down your selection. Of course, these reviews will be in Russian. You could run it through an online translator, but there will be so much slang and jargon that the translation will be impossible to understand.
Another good feature of sextalk is that, unlike ISG, it captures and stores specific kinds of info about girls that are reviewed. So if you click on
[i]Поиск в отчетах[/i] (search reports)
You will be presented with a screen that will allow you to search on just about any parameter you can think of; height, weight, hair color, bust size, even the metro stop. Sextalk also allows the guys to rate the girls on a variety of factors (on a scale of 1 to 5) and you can even search by rating. Enter that into
[i]Общая оценка от:[/i] (from) [i]до:[/i] (to)
and it will show you all the 5's, for example.
There is a thread on Sextalk.ru specifically for saunas, [i]Сауны, Гостиницы[/i] (saunas, hotels). I have read through it on occasion, but the impression I get is that Russian men tend to go to the sauna to get away from women, not to find them. The sauna in Russia is a long, complex male-bonding ritual, involving lots of vodka and flagellation with birch branches. If they want a woman, they generally tend to bring their own.
The other site that is a wealth of information is intimcity.ru. The also have very comprehensive search parameters, including a link to sextalk, so you can specify that you only want girls who have reports on Sextalk.
It is entirely possible that the kind of woman you are looing for is probably not looking for you. She will have many other ways to support herself than sitting around in a salon waiting for you to show up. There are some quality women in places like Fantasys and Charmel. Aside from their looks, they are, for the most part, dedicated professionals. They know what you want, they know how to give it to you and they have no problem with that. All for 4,000 руб. As Pizdyets pointed out, you will definitely get your money's worth.
Your best bet for the type of female pulchritude you are looking for is Aurora 911. Try converting one of the hostesses to the dark side. The challenge there will not be, do you want her. The challenge will be, does she want you? At any price.
Doc's advice is the best, don't over-analyze. The wonderful thing about Russia is that anything is possible, at any time. What is most important is to be open to what is happening around you. You may find that opportunities will appear that go far beyond what you planned for. The trick is... will you be savvy enough to understand what's being offered to you? ;)
By the way, Stravinsky, which are the Russian slang translation for:
- deep French kiss with tongue
- "facial"
- mouth-fucking
- cum-eating
- "creampie"
- fisting
- bondage
- pissing-in-mouth
- "double penetration"
Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Ironically, I end up speaking English with most my Russian GFs since they want to practice their English.[/QUOTE]Interesting...
I don't think I've ever had a conversation in English with a Russian girl (in Moscow). But that's probably because [b]I[/b] want the chance to practice my Russian. Lord knows, my knowledge of Russian is far from perfect, but I've found there are few things more endearing to a Russian dyevchonka than a foreigner who can communicate with her in her own language.
Your point is valid though: perfective vs. imperfective.
I suppose it would be better to say
[i]часто вы заходите здесь[/i] (CHAS-to vui za-KHO-dit-tsye zdyeas)
vs.
[i]часто вы придёте здесь?[/i] (CHAS-to vui pri-DYOT-tsye zdyeas)
Another way to say it would be
[i]часто вы бываете здесь?[/i] (CHAS-to vui bui-VAI-yet-tsye zdyeas)
How would you say it?
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Interesting...
I don't think I've ever had a conversation in English with a Russian girl (in Moscow). But that's probably because [b]I[/b] want the chance to practice my Russian. Lord knows, my knowledge of Russian is far from perfect, but I've found there are few things more endearing to a Russian dyevchonka than a foreigner who can communicate with her in her own language.
Your point is valid though: perfective vs. imperfective.
I suppose it would be better to say
[i]часто вы заходите здесь[/i] (CHAS-to vui za-KHO-dit-tsye zdyeas)
vs.
[i]часто вы придёте здесь?[/i] (CHAS-to vui pri-DYOT-tsye zdyeas)
Another way to say it would be
[i]часто вы бываете здесь?[/i] (CHAS-to vui bui-VAI-yet-tsye zdyeas)
How would you say it?[/QUOTE]часто здесь?
Problem solved.
I'm about 50/50 on Russian vs. English... not because my Russian is good, just because I seem to find enough girls not interested in speaking English.
And yes, there is no better way to practice your Russian than pillow talk.
Thanks for the info Netviking!
Is 6500/h expensive there?
What about the Solaris? Did you go there?
Thanks
Hi Guys,
I am looking to do a tour of Eastern Europe and spend a couple of weeks in few majour cities. What I am looking for is a woman who will act as both a tour guide, interpriter and to go party with at the clubs.
Does not have to be sexual, but would have to be happy to help me chat up girls.
Does anyone know what sites it would be best to find someone to do this and what I should pay them?
Thanks
Might have to cross Opera off the list... there was a fire there Monday night and somebody died... Opera was on the militia's fire hazard list.
There are a lot of Moscow clubs that if there was ever a fire, dozens would die. They're like mazes.
[QUOTE=Toto Rosebud1338]Is 6500/h expensive there?[/QUOTE]6,500 rubles is expensive. But, if you're stuck at the Cosmos and you have no other options, then you have to pay the price.
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]It's true, if you will only be in Moscow for a few days, some planning is in order to make the most efficient use of your time. Your best bet for the type of female pulchritude you are looking for is Aurora 911. Try converting one of the hostesses to the dark side. The challenge there will not be, do you want her. The challenge will be, does she want you? At any price.[/QUOTE]
Excellent report and advice, Strav. Thank you!
I can speak Russian fluently, so will indeed check sextalk.ru. As far as Aurora 911 - sounds like a nice place where I'll be forced to leave all my money. I'm still tempted, though, as I love true beauty and have trouble compromising on less than that.
If I like salon lineup, I do plan to take 1-2 ladies to break the Russian tradition of using the Banya to get away from women and will rather have the 2 gorgeous sluts flagelate me withe a birch tree Venik, before using my increased blood circulation for other recreational activities.
Best to all. Aibolit.
[QUOTE=Aibolit]As far as Aurora 911 - sounds like a nice place where I'll be forced to leave all my money.[/QUOTE]True, but you will never have so much fun losing your money. :)
if you see there the most beautiful breasts of russia, don't touch her, she si my girlfriend :-)
True story.
I mean, she is really in love since 2 months, and got plans for us, yes.
[QUOTE=Passepartout]if you see there the most beautiful breasts of russia, don't touch her, she si my girlfriend :-)
True story.
I mean, she is really in love since 2 months, and got plans for us, yes.[/QUOTE]My Aurora girlfriend is the girl from Ekaterinburg with braces.
Regrettably, she does not know she is my girlfriend. :)
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]My Aurora girlfriend is the girl from Ekaterinburg with braces.[/QUOTE]Is that Ksyushinka?? Long blonde hair?
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Is that Ksyushinka?? Long blonde hair?[/QUOTE]Long blonde hair, but I remember her name being Kristina...
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]1. Heard of them. Never been there. There are literally 100s of salons/apartmenty in Moscow, so aside from a handful of the serial wh0remongers on sextalk. Ru, nobody could have tried them all.
2. It's a crapshoot, really. In any case, the internet will not reflect reality, no matter how reputable the salon. There will almost always be new girls not reflected on the website, and some degree of Photoshop is usually involved.
3. To my knowledge, they don't speak English there, so I'm doubting if they're [b]that[/b] popular with expats. Actually, of the regular contributors on this forum, only a few of us frequent those salons (most likely for that reason). I've been to other, cheaper salons and had good experiences, but in terms of location, discretion, cleanliness, style, service and consistent level of attractive dyeffki, the CharmFantElit cartel has only rarely left me disappointed.[/QUOTE]After careful reading, it seems that the Charmel/Fantasys/Elite experience does not leave anyone disappointed:
Since they don't speak English there, would anyone recommend these places for non-Russian speakers? I mean are these places foreigner-friendly or will I be getting weird looks if I don't speak Russian?
Any suggestions for English-speaking, high quality salons?
Thanks!
[QUOTE=Aolini]Since they don't speak English there, would anyone recommend these places for non-Russian speakers? I mean are these places foreigner-friendly or will I be getting weird looks if I don't speak Russian?
Any suggestions for English-speaking, high quality salons?
Thanks![/QUOTE]In my experience there is no such thing as English-speaking salons per se. Whether or not you will find an administrator who speaks English will probably just be a matter of luck... or maybe just her mood. Same with the girls. ´Most don't, but some of them are remarkably fluent.
I don't wish to discourage anyone, but nothing about Russia is foreigner-friendly. The whole idea of catering to foreigners or speaking foreign languages is pretty "foreign" to anybody in the service-industry, with the exception of hotels etc. In terms of P4P exceptions are those places entirely catering to foreigners like NF or HD and we all know the disadvantages of those places.
That said, pretty much all of us mongers spoke very little or no Russian when we began and somehow all managed to get laid. You think Ca_Traveller and the tochka mamachka were chatting about Shakespeare in the Queen's English before he took a nubile 20-year old Ukrainian home for chai and the flashlight test?
Learn a bit of Russian and body language and sign language and you'll survive... your efforts will also encourage them to try their limited English... and besides, a little bit of adventure never hurt anybody...)
Aolini,
As doctor said, this city is not for foreigners who doesn't speak the language.
I see 2 options for you:
1. take 10 numbers of saloons and call all of them. If you are lucky enough, the girls who will answer will be able to count up to 10 in english and will give you the adress: then you'll take a taxi, and pray for that in front of the door she will still speak enough english to give you the pin code to enter.
2. When i came to russia in business trip, i've called some agencies who advertise in Moscow Times, the free daily newspaper for foreigners. They will bring you 2 girls to your hotel room, anbd you'll make your choice. Of course, it's less fun than saloon, of course you don't know in advance who will come: but remember that girls in russia are so beautiful, that there is a high chance that on the 2 girls who will show up, at least one will be of your taste. I had only great experiences using the Moscow times agencies...So that's still an option if the option number described above is a total failure...
Thanks to both for your inspiring comments.
[QUOTE=Aolini]After careful reading, it seems that the Charmel/Fantasys/Elite experience does not leave anyone disappointed:
Since they don't speak English there, would anyone recommend these places for non-Russian speakers? I mean are these places foreigner-friendly or will I be getting weird looks if I don't speak Russian?
Any suggestions for English-speaking, high quality salons?
Thanks![/QUOTE]
Another option is to hire a guide/translator. As I recall, there's a dude who offers such services, and will also take you around to high-end clubs and such. It's in this forum somewhere, but I don't have time to search for it myself.
In general, a taxi driver should be able to do all you need for an extra 100/200 rubles:
- call the salon, see where they're located, if they have an available room, and who's working (if you had a favorite in mind)
- drive you there, and call to tell them that you're there, and in which car to find you in case it's cold (at least CharmFantElit always send a doorman to fetch you)
- at that point, the doorman will take you in and you can revert to body language (eg point at the girl you want) and basic Russian ("ah-deen chass" is one hour, "pole-tah-rah chass-a" is hour and a half, "dvah chass-a" is two hours, etc)
In the Russian language thread, I also covered the basics of organizing a salon visit.
Damn... with all this talk of salons, I'm getting a little bit itchy. I may hate NF, but I sure do adore their tagline: "Do It Tonight!"
Yes, Moscow is not for butter-hearted non-Russian-speaking foreigners.
For Aolini and readers' convenience, when we talk about quality, more exactly we talk about the ratio price/services. I can't discuss about your own tastes about women and sex, but it is sure, for a price higher than 4000 rubles/first hour (100 euros/first hour), everybody can fuck a beautiful woman in wherever in the world.
Therefore I strongly suggest to think hundreds times before to invest/to waste your own money in Moscow, also because it seems the world economic crisis is still continuing for some more years.
I read the last interesting Passepartout's report, and I wonder if I was very unlucky in Moscow in 2009, since my statistics about 40 prostitutes in Night Flight, Hot Dog, Bordo, 911, salons, individualki, all of them were all overpriced in comparison of their age, beauty and services.
If I come back again to Russia, I would like to try less expensive big towns such as Saint Petersburg or, why not?, to try the pure adventure in towns such as Volgograd, Astrakhan, Sochi, Kazan, Ekaterinburg, Nizhni Novgorod, Tomsk, Novosibirsk (I know some Russian).
[QUOTE=Passepartout]Aolini,
As doctor said, this city is not for foreigners who doesn't speak the language.
I see 2 options for you:
1. take 10 numbers of saloons and call all of them. If you are lucky enough, the girls who will answer will be able to count up to 10 in english and will give you the adress: then you'll take a taxi, and pray for that in front of the door she will still speak enough english to give you the pin code to enter.
2. When i came to russia in business trip, i've called some agencies who advertise in Moscow Times, the free daily newspaper for foreigners. They will bring you 2 girls to your hotel room, anbd you'll make your choice. Of course, it's less fun than saloon, of course you don't know in advance who will come: but remember that girls in russia are so beautiful, that there is a high chance that on the 2 girls who will show up, at least one will be of your taste. I had only great experiences using the Moscow times agencies...So that's still an option if the option number described above is a total failure...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Acolonizer]If I come back again to Russia, I would like to try less expensive big towns such as Saint Petersburg or, why not?, to try the pure adventure in towns such as Volgograd, Astrakhan, Sochi, Kazan, Ekaterinburg, Nizhni Novgorod, Tomsk, Novosibirsk (I know some Russian).[/QUOTE]We're all waiting to read your reports...
[QUOTE=Acolonizer]
but it is sure, for a price higher than 4000 rubles/first hour (100 euros/first hour), everybody can fuck a beautiful woman in wherever in the world.
[/QUOTE]
Oh really?
Please post on the paris thread, they are desesparate to find a beautiful woman for 100 euros...For this price, you get there an ugly and fat 45 y.o. black woman I wouldn't fuck if she would pay me 100 euros...
Come to Italy ;) All prostitutes behave the same way and their life aim is to lie for not working.
What is happening in Italy and all over the world? Yes in big cities there are some escorts for crazy money (and they are hit by the economic crisis too) but, all the rest of prostitutes (also young, beautiful and piggish), when they see the customer in the moment of negotiating, they understand if to say "50 euros pussy fucking with condom 10 minutes" or to say "20 euros deepthroat swallow blowjob with balls and asshole licking and prostratic massage". They are prostitutes and for their own definition they are not professional at all!
If the customer is cinic as much as the prostitute, if he tells the right words, if he behave the right way, then he can gets what he wants, maybe not at the first try but surely at the second or at the third try. Otherwise the customer has to pay the "public price" that is at least (at least) two times higher than the "standard price", for medium-low level services.
An example? Try to imagine, and I think this is just a sadic perversion (and I don't like at all!!!), but my three (3) married work colleagues pay 100 euros (33 euros each) to put half arm or a full Prosecco bottle in the ass of a beautiful Romanian, looking like Veronica Zemanova, for an hour (60 minutes arm pumping, alternating three half arms!). However she is always ready to ask for 50 euros for a quickie to "gentlemen" mongers: when you understand this, then you will understand prostitutes' mind (there is no exceptions, there is no special women).
I like Kiev because the scene is still quiet and well-girl-supplied and I am still a romantic guy. Otherwise, if I am a husband and I am glad simply to download my balls in the throat once a week, or I am glad to organize a gang-bang with my married work colleagues and a young Romanian prostitute, then I never think to take an airplane to go in any far country for sex, because in Italy (and in any country in the world) experienced mongers get what they want: just insist in the research.
[QUOTE=Passepartout]Oh really?
Please post on the paris thread, they are desesparate to find a beautiful woman for 100 euros...For this price, you get there an ugly and fat 45 y.o. black woman I wouldn't fuck if she would pay me 100 euros...[/QUOTE]
I agree with you my friend Acolonizer. Wherever in the world you pay 100EUR+ you will get some pussy.
From my very limited visits to Moscow which were always too busy for mongering, I understand one thing: Moscow is the absolute place to be for semi-pros or Short Term GFs looking for EUROS. Moscow gives me the impression that you can literally have ANY woman you desire as long as you make the right offer.
But then again there's the language barrier.
[QUOTE=Aolini]Moscow gives me the impression that you can literally have ANY woman you desire as long as you make the right offer.
[/QUOTE]
Yup, you're right. Lamborghini, condo on Ostozhenka, dacha on Rublevka, and $10K US a month for incidentals, and you can have pretty much any girl you want.
Удачи,
Пиздец
[QUOTE=Aolini]From my very limited visits to Moscow which were always too busy for mongering, I understand one thing: Moscow is the absolute place to be for semi-pros or Short Term GFs looking for EUROS. Moscow gives me the impression that you can literally have ANY woman you desire as long as you make the right offer.
But then again there's the language barrier.[/QUOTE]I understand that there is SOME latent truth to what you are saying, but believe it is essentially naive and just a rehashed stereotype. Beyond the fact that most girls here don't want to be treated like *****s (except maybe when you are fucking them) and beyond the fact that for most girls of quality 200-300 euros isn't "game-changing" money, but rather just normal money, I agree with Pizdyets... to a point. Not talking about prostitutes. They work for cash obviously.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Yup, you're right. Lamborghini, condo on Ostozhenka, dacha on Rublevka, and $10K US a month for incidentals, and you can have pretty much any girl you want.
Удачи,
Пиздец[/QUOTE]For the top-tier "normal" girls, if you want to lure them with money, more than a couple hundred euros of expenditure are required to get their interest. And time.
They know their value and are determined to not sell themselves short. And they are increasingly adept at identifying guys with potential vs. guys looking for quick fun. And even then, not everybody can be "bought" with money and it's glittery trappings.
[QUOTE=Aolini]Moscow gives me the impression that you can literally have ANY woman you desire as long as you make the right offer.[/QUOTE]
In my opinion, when it comes to luring TRULY hot women (and not just naive b-squad studentki dressed in Mango and Miss Sixty) with cash, it's a paradox.
It will either involve a lot of cash, or none at all.
Screwed a stripper last night for: $0 (ok, spent $150 on calean, ice cream and wine on a first date)
Booty call hot finance junior exec inbound for: $0 (ok, she can have the Hoegaarden in my fridge)
Strippers aren't top tier girls per se, but you get the idea. I also could have paid her $300 in the strip club, but doubt she would have performed as well.
The junior exec is top-tier. Could have given her 300 euros on our first date and she would have given it back to me and told me to fuck off. Instead, took her to an art museum and later on gave her $80 crystal earrings + flowers + a lecture on photography as art.
Once cash is involved in a relationship, it takes a different course. There are both advantages and disadvantages to going this route.
Currently, I see mostly disadvantages. Not only the expenditure, but the attitudes in the relationship. It's corrupting in the positive sense if a girl fucks you for cash. It corrupts the relationship as well, negatively.
In my opinion, in cash relations it should be either straight up P4P.. amount "x" for sex... or leave the cash component out completely and just behave as normal humans using dating rituals without direct "support" of any kind. "Manly" support can be expressed in other ways.
[QUOTE=Aolini ]Moscow gives me the impression that you can literally have ANY woman you desire as long as you make the right offer.[/QUOTE]I get your points, but let me clarify something as I was misunderstood:
By "making the right offer" I do not mean necessarily cash. Consider it as a barter agreement where goods or services are exchanged.
I'm back from my trip in Moscow.
I stayed at Cosmos hotel as already discussed. So, here are some facts about that trip.
A lot (10-20) of prostitutes are present in the lobby. The price is 6500 roubles for 1 hour. I did not try them, they were not my taste.
In this hotel is also a disco: Solaris. It's a strip club. Entrance fee is 1000 rouble. Then very pretty girls are dancing and propose Private. 3000 for 30', 6000 for 1 hour in separate room.
The private dance is very good. They are quite pretty and very hot!
Ask me if you want any other comments.
Moscow is very expensive definitely!
[QUOTE=Toto Rosebud1338]I'm back from my trip in Moscow.
I stayed at Cosmos hotel as already discussed. So, here are some facts about that trip.
A lot (10-20) of prostitutes are present in the lobby. The price is 6500 roubles for 1 hour. I did not try them, they were not my taste.
In this hotel is also a disco: Solaris. It's a strip club. Entrance fee is 1000 rouble. Then very pretty girls are dancing and propose Private. 3000 for 30', 6000 for 1 hour in separate room.
The private dance is very good. They are quite pretty and very hot!
Ask me if you want any other comments.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Toto Rosebud1338]I'm back from my trip in Moscow.
I stayed at Cosmos hotel as already discussed. So, here are some facts about that trip.
A lot (10-20) of prostitutes are present in the lobby. The price is 6500 roubles for 1 hour. I did not try them, they were not my taste.
In this hotel is also a disco: Solaris. It's a strip club. Entrance fee is 1000 rouble. Then very pretty girls are dancing and propose Private. 3000 for 30', 6000 for 1 hour in separate room.
The private dance is very good. They are quite pretty and very hot!
Ask me if you want any other comments.[/QUOTE]Thanks for actually posting some info after asking for some!
Most guys just ask and never give anything back. Kudos to you!
Regarding the private dances, what actually happened in the room? Just dancing and touching, or was kissing/oral or sex involved? Or are the listed prices just for the room and you can arrange sex with the girl for a seperate price (like in Aurora 911 etc.)?
Just curious.
[QUOTE=Aolini]By "making the right offer" I do not mean necessarily cash. Consider it as a barter agreement where goods or services are exchanged.[/QUOTE]I understood already, but still do not agree with the notion that all girls can be "bought".
What is true to a significant degree, and not just in Russia but everywhere in the world, is that girls will respond positively to all the things that money can buy... most especially a glamorous, comfortable lifestyle.
What's not to like about that?
You're welcome Doctor Skank! That's normal I give a few infos after I went there.
The private I chose was only dancing, touching. No kissing, and of course no sex.
The other one had happy ending as far as I understood.
Actually, I did not ask for extra. After having the confirmation of the "high" price of sex massage in the lobby, I did assume it should have been too expensive for me.
I lived in Moscow for about a decade 'til I moved to greener pastures in SA (In short, I am in it for the money).
I used to *ahem* severely dislike Chesterfields and Night Flight and the same goes for strip clubs.
I used to have my best luck over at the Hotel Kosmos. There were these two Ukrainian sisters (Natasha and Lena) who used to work one of the bars.
(OK, directions: when you enter the place, keep to the left. They have a crappy, overpriced bar to the immediate left of the check-in desks. There are several other bars, try not to get confused)
These girls would proposition you with "sex massage you vant the sex massage? " and I think that was the full extent of their English. They were something like RUB 5, 000 for about an hour or so (including the room). Essentially, what you get is two rounds with a mind-blowing CBJ in between.
I would *ahem* highly recommend it.
***disclaimer***
I have not been to Moscow in months, so I am not sure about the price / quality mix following the crisis.
I would imagine that the quality has gone up and prices down, but Moscow has a funny way of suprising you in that respects.
[QUOTE=Toto Rosebud1338]I'm back from my trip in Moscow.
I stayed at Cosmos hotel as already discussed. So, here are some facts about that trip.
A lot (10-20) of prostitutes are present in the lobby. The price is 6500 roubles for 1 hour. I did not try them, they were not my taste.
In this hotel is also a disco: Solaris. It's a strip club. Entrance fee is 1000 rouble. Then very pretty girls are dancing and propose Private. 3000 for 30', 6000 for 1 hour in separate room.
The private dance is very good. They are quite pretty and very hot!
Ask me if you want any other comments.[/QUOTE]Were the prostitutes ugly? Is that what you meant by taste?
Dear Maslitio,
Is it possible men have a travel to go to Moscow just for pussy fucking + cbj? 5000 rubles (sex) + 12000 rubles (airfare) + 28000 rubles (accommodation) = 45000 rubles = more than 1000 euros. If at least somebody is talking about facial cum bathing and double anal fucking.
[QUOTE=Maslitio]I lived in Moscow for about a decade 'til I moved to greener pastures in SA (In short, I am in it for the money).
I used to *ahem* severely dislike Chesterfields and Night Flight and the same goes for strip clubs.
I used to have my best luck over at the Hotel Kosmos. There were these two Ukrainian sisters (Natasha and Lena) who used to work one of the bars.
(OK, directions: when you enter the place, keep to the left. They have a crappy, overpriced bar to the immediate left of the check-in desks. There are several other bars, try not to get confused)
These girls would proposition you with "sex massage you vant the sex massage? " and I think that was the full extent of their English. They were something like RUB 5, 000 for about an hour or so (including the room). Essentially, what you get is two rounds with a mind-blowing CBJ in between.
I would *ahem* highly recommend it.
***disclaimer***
I have not been to Moscow in months, so I am not sure about the price / quality mix following the crisis.
I would imagine that the quality has gone up and prices down, but Moscow has a funny way of suprising you in that respects.[/QUOTE]
Most of them were quite old (compared to the one in Solaris: around 25). And most important I did not appreciate that face. But of course this is completely personnal. Other guys in the lobby seemed to appreciate them.
Coming to Moscow since many years, but still not speaking more than 100 words of Russian, I think that the opportunities haven t changed dramatically over the years.
For people, who are not used or don t want to experiment with unpredictable situations, you have to go to the wellknown places.
New is the GQ Bar, which offers a very nice surrounding, but a limited selection of working girls.
The HotDog/Boarhouse has upgraded their interiour, but of course forget the toilets. The service is lousy as in old soviet times. The entrance fee is now 300, for what? The girls told me, that they will not go under 11. 000, because they now have to pay 2. 000 to the "security" of the club. You can recognize that easily by watching the incoming girls. They will give some cash money to a girl, which is always located at the front corner of the bar.
The quality of the girls is better as in the past and some of the girls work both in HotDog and NF.
The RealMcCoy is a good hunting ground for people under 30-35. A lot of freebies, unfortuanately I m to old for that place.
Best place was and is NF on Tverskaya. Entrance is now 1. 100, which includes a drink. The place is safe, but be careful, when you walk outside. Last time a car was following our taxi, I have to give credit to the taxi driver, who informed me about this that and he dropped me safely in front of my Hotel. It was a dark Audi and I would be interested if someone experienced the same, because last time I was comng to NF I thought I saw the same car parking outside the club.
The place is full of good looking pros, who ask for € 500 in the beginning. The best prices I could achieve in recent times had been $ 250.
Happy hunting.
[QUOTE=Acolonizer]Dear Maslitio,
Is it possible men have a travel to go to Moscow just for pussy fucking + cbj? 5000 rubles (sex) + 12000 rubles (airfare) + 28000 rubles (accommodation) = 45000 rubles = more than 1000 euros. [/QUOTE]Acon... Moscow never was and will never be a destination for regular sex tourists. The prices of everyday life and accomadation are simply too high, plus the visa issue.
It is a destination for business travellers.
So scratching out the airfare, accomadation costs etc., 5000 rubles for sex isn't bad at all.
[QUOTE=George 6969]
Best place was and is NF on Tverskaya. The best prices I could achieve in recent times had been $ 250.
[/QUOTE]
quite a good price, i'm surprised. Anyone confirms that?
Apart from that, went to strip club "19" which became in my opinion the best in town, competing with Aurora 911, but in a complete different style.
I managed to get the club member card which gives to you a free entrance and -10% on drinks and food.
I went with a wild girl (not the best looking one but so wild) into a room, damage 10 000 rur for half an hour all included (girl and room), which is by far the best price i get in that club.
Amazing session including full fisting and CIF. Of course and as usual she gave me her phone number to get free sex session at home. Nice club.
[QUOTE=Passepartout]Apart from that, went to strip club "19" which became in my opinion the best in town, competing with Aurora 911, but in a complete different style.
...damage 10 000 rur for half an hour all included (girl and room)[/QUOTE]Nice indeed... .)
[QUOTE=Passepartout]quite a good price, i'm surprised. Anyone confirms that? [/QUOTE]
I haven't been in almost a year, but friends have recently taken allegedly nice girls out of NF for ST for around $250. I have a hard time believing you'll get LT for that amount, even if you look like Orlando Bloom. $350-400 is more believable. Standard LT rate at HD at last visit (around Xmas-time) was 8000R = $275, but I'll admit myself that the selection there was slim, with 40-60% squarely in the pariah category, 20-30% in the hyper-inflated-silicone category and only 10-20% or so that I'd consider really fuckable.
A recent visit to Coyote was an eye-opener. The place is really gaining momentum. Was drinking there with some male friends and their GFs, and ogling some of the most beautiful girls I'd seen in my 10 years here. Aside from that handful of true stunners, female looks level is pretty decent overall, and the female:male ratio around 2:1, which is as good as I've seen anywhere in the past 3 years. The place was packed, but I had no idea how much so until a female friend called at 2am and said she couldn't get in. I went to the street and saw a line about 50 people long to get in with her at the end. Fortunately, the doormen were cool and let her come in with me immediately.
There's no doubt that the management here has their shit together (unlike most clubs here), and that's translating into more business.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]A recent visit to Coyote was an eye-opener. The place is really gaining momentum. Was drinking there with some male friends and their GFs, and ogling some of the most beautiful girls I'd seen in my 10 years here. Aside from that handful of true stunners, female looks level is pretty decent overall, and the female:male ratio around 2:1, which is as good as I've seen anywhere in the past 3 years. The place was packed, but I had no idea how much so until a female friend called at 2am and said she couldn't get in. I went to the street and saw a line about 50 people long to get in with her at the end. Fortunately, the doormen were cool and let her come in with me immediately.
There's no doubt that the management here has their shit together (unlike most clubs here), and that's translating into more business.[/QUOTE]I also like this place, although my only beefs are:
1) they gotta fix the coat check (garderobe) thing by next winter. Waiting 20 minutes to check a coat ain't cool.
2) when you go to the bathroom and come back your girlfriend is gone and then shows up 20 minutes later dancing on the bar in her underwear.
3) lots of expats. It's the new Karma Bar.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]2) when you go to the bathroom and come back your girlfriend is gone and then shows up 20 minutes later dancing on the bar in her underwear.[/QUOTE]What does that mean?
[QUOTE=Castonthis]What does that mean?[/QUOTE]Meant it is a wild party atmosphere and better keep an eye on your girl!
Was kind of an inside joke though.
In my case I really did go to the bathroom and when I came back neither I nor my friends nor her girlfriend knew where she was. Finally found her 20 minutes later dancing on the bar in her underwear. When she got down from the bar coated in a delicious layer of sweat I made sure I got her out of there and back home to the apartment ASAP. :))
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Meant it is a wild party atmosphere and better keep an eye on your girl!
Was kind of an inside joke though.
In my case I really did go to the bathroom and found my girl 20 minutes later dancing on the bar in her underwear. When she got down from the bar coated in a delicious layer of sweat I made sure I got her out of there and back home to the apartment ASAP.)[/QUOTE]Wait so you ended up having sex with a girl who cheated on you? Would you do that? Because my understanding was that she went and had sex with some random dude their. It might not have been right. I don't know it is why I need some more information.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]A recent visit to Coyote was an eye-opener. The place is really gaining momentum. Was drinking there with some male friends and their GFs, and ogling some of the most beautiful girls I'd seen in my 10 years here. Aside from that handful of true stunners, female looks level is pretty decent overall, and the female:male ratio around 2:1, which is as good as I've seen anywhere in the past 3 years. The place was packed, but I had no idea how much so until a female friend called at 2am and said she couldn't get in. I went to the street and saw a line about 50 people long to get in with her at the end. Fortunately, the doormen were cool and let her come in with me immediately.
There's no doubt that the management here has their shit together (unlike most clubs here), and that's translating into more business.[/QUOTE]
pretty nice news, i'll go back there to check
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Meant it is a wild party atmosphere and better keep an eye on your girl![/QUOTE]Bless you my son, you are too kind.
Hi everybody,
I'm asking you some help regarding the Milan hotel locate near by the Domodedovo airport.
Does anybody know about any action inside the hotel?
Is the hotel girls friendly at least?
Thank you in advance for your help.
[QUOTE=Raptor73]Hi everybody,
I'm asking you some help regarding the Milan hotel locate near by the Domodedovo airport.
Does anybody know about any action inside the hotel?
Is the hotel girls friendly at least?
Thank you in advance for your help.[/QUOTE]
I have never been there myself, but a business colleague stayed there for 2 nights about a year ago. He said there is a decent pub in the hotel and apparently, it's a popular place for the locals to come an play billiards and socialize. He picked up a drunk sl*t and took her to his room. Fucked the shit out of her and was just dozing off when there was a a loud knock on the door.
The girl started yelling at the guy outside the door and my friend asked if he was her pimp. "No", she said, "He's my husband". My friend thought he was going to get his throat slit and told the girl not to open the door. She said it would be ok because they are not "really" married anymore. She got dressed and slipped out the door.
I guess that's how it is in that neighborhood. Sounds girl friendly to me.
[QUOTE=Raptor73]Hi everybody,
I'm asking you some help regarding the Milan hotel locate near by the Domodedovo airport.
Does anybody know about any action inside the hotel?
Is the hotel girls friendly at least?
Thank you in advance for your help.[/QUOTE]
In addition to Jake's post, note that Hotel Milan isn't near Domodedovo airport. It's about half-way between Domodedovo and the city center.
Thank you all for your adivises.
I guess I will choose this hotel cause its not so far from airport since I have a flight the day after.
I hope for some action and I will let you know about. At least I hope I can find some call girl in the net if no action in the hotel pub.
Thanks
[QUOTE=Raptor73]I guess I will choose this hotel cause its not so far from airport since I have a flight the day after.[/QUOTE]DME is not that far from the center of Moscow, plus it is accessible by train. You may as well spend the night in the city, where you have many more options than you will in a hotel half way between the two.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Acon... Moscow never was and will never be a destination for regular sex tourists. The prices of everyday life and accomadation are simply too high, plus the visa issue.
It is a destination for business travellers.
So scratching out the airfare, accomadation costs etc., 5000 rubles for sex isn't bad at all.[/QUOTE]
I agree as usual... while you are there why not looking at some blondinka?
A EE sex destination is Prague, EU, no hassles and cheap girls.
But the GFE you get from some FSU teens or so is still, in my opinion, unbeatable...
So let's go to Moscow too... ;)
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PS I fairly prefer Kiev for fucking...
Yes, of course, that was just a rhetorical question.
But, why did nobody write (before you now) "Moscow never was and will never be a destination for regular sex tourists"???
And, why do Romanian (and some Russian and Ukrainian too) prostitutes prefer to earn half in Italy instead to earn double in Moscow?
And, if 5000 rubles are usual in Moscow (for foreigners), which kind of sex do foreigners get? It seems here nobody knows deepthroat swallow blowjob aka karolevski miniet, everybody talks about CIM that is NOT karolevski miniet: if men go to karolevski miniet's homeland, why isn't it easy (and cheap) to get karolevski miniet as abroad?
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Acon... Moscow never was and will never be a destination for regular sex tourists. The prices of everyday life and accomadation are simply too high, plus the visa issue.
It is a destination for business travellers.
So scratching out the airfare, accomadation costs etc., 5000 rubles for sex isn't bad at all.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]DME is not that far from the center of Moscow.[/QUOTE]
LOL. With Moscow Traffic it's damn far. Train goes 40 minutes from Paveletsky. Not sure if it stops somewhere in between. If you go from Milan to Paveletsky you spend an hour for metro + walking or two hours on taxi on week days. To Milan if you invite a girl you'll need to pay for taxi additionally and wait 40 minutes longer than usual. From this point of view it makes almost no difference if you stay in Milan or Domodedovo hotel. But from Domodedovo you probably have better access to the airport and to the train.
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]LOL. With Moscow Traffic it's damn far.[/QUOTE]It's true, whenever you travel by car in a large metropolitan area, you need to consider the traffic. If you think the traffic in Moskva is bad, you should see the traffic on the Long Island Expressway at shass peak, on the way to JFK. It makes Varshovskoe shosse look like a country road.
I've made the trip from the center of Moscow to DME 4 times, 3 by car, and each time it was less than an hour, which is comparable to the run from mid-town Manhattan to JFK, or downtown LA to LAX. Obviously, if you try to make the trip at 16:00, it will take much longer than at 03:00. Also, I was driven by friends who know Moscow well and can avoid many of the probki, but no more than any taxist would.
The "express" train from DME to Paveletskaya is not exactly a Japanese bullet train, but it chugs along determinedly and makes an occasional stop, didn't notice where.
My point is simply that if you have a long layover at DME and all you need is a place to crash for the night until your 06:00 flight, then the Milan is probably a good choice. But if your flight out of DME is not until later in the day, stay the night in the city where you will have more options. You could, for example, make a visit to (gulp) Hot Dog's!
[QUOTE=Acolonizer]Yes, of course, that was just a rhetorical question.
But, why did nobody write (before you now) "Moscow never was and will never be a destination for regular sex tourists"??? [/QUOTE]This has been written many times before by myself and others.[QUOTE=Acolonizer]And, why do Romanian (and some Russian and Ukrainian too) prostitutes prefer to earn half in Italy instead to earn double in Moscow?
[/QUOTE]Romanian and Ukrainian prostitutes can't work in Moscow without registration, particularly Romanian would never even get a visa. Ukrainian girls have more or less disappeared from the market after a crackdown about 5 years ago.
Russian girls who wish to live in Moscow will have to find place to live etc. And life there is 2x more expensive than anywhere else in Russia and is also more expensive than life in Italy.
Besides, for every 1 girl earning big $$$ in Moscow, there are 5 earning only $.
And besides, why does a lawyer work in Iowa when he can earn 5 times as much in New York? Fate takes people different places and most prostitutes don't necessarily chose their destination. They end up different places for different reasons.
A pro friend of mine who used to work in Spain for good money and had a pleasant life returned to Russia because business in Spain is bad. She returned to Russia only to find out business is bad there too...[QUOTE=Acolonizer]And, if 5000 rubles are usual in Moscow (for foreigners), which kind of sex do foreigners get? It seems here nobody knows deepthroat swallow blowjob aka karolevski miniet, everybody talks about CIM that is NOT karolevski miniet: if men go to karolevski miniet's homeland, why isn't it easy (and cheap) to get karolevski miniet as abroad?[/QUOTE]Acon, there aren't automatically separate prices for foreigners and Russians. In most places it is the same. The only reason foreigners end up often paying more is language. Foreigners who only speak English will end up going to those places that have some girls that speak English, and those are expensive places. The cheapest places for sex are salons and without Russian language are difficult to find because you have to speak on the phone in Russian to find them (in most cases).
As for your obssessive deep throat swallow, it depends on the pro. Some do (and usually after meeting a second time), some don't. This is also not just a question of foreigner vs. Russian.
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]I've made the trip from the center of Moscow to DME 4 times, 3 by car, and each time it was less than an hour, which is comparable to the run from mid-town Manhattan to JFK, or downtown LA to LAX. Obviously, if you try to make the trip at 16:00, it will take much longer than at 03:00. Also, I was driven by friends who know Moscow well and can avoid many of the probki, but no more than any taxist would.
The "express" train from DME to Paveletskaya is not exactly a Japanese bullet train, but it chugs along determinedly and makes an occasional stop, didn't notice where.
My point is simply that if you have a long layover at DME and all you need is a place to crash for the night until your 06:00 flight, then the Milan is probably a good choice. But if your flight out of DME is not until later in the day, stay the night in the city where you will have more options. You could, for example, make a visit to (gulp) Hot Dog's![/QUOTE][QUOTE=Helena Moscow]LOL. With Moscow Traffic it's damn far. Train goes 40 minutes from Paveletsky. Not sure if it stops somewhere in between. If you go from Milan to Paveletsky you spend an hour for metro + walking or two hours on taxi on week days. To Milan if you invite a girl you'll need to pay for taxi additionally and wait 40 minutes longer than usual. From this point of view it makes almost no difference if you stay in Milan or Domodedovo hotel. But from Domodedovo you probably have better access to the airport and to the train.[/QUOTE]
DME to center takes about 45 minutes during non-peak hours and about 90 minutes in peak time 5-7pm weekdays. Done it dozens of times. Was much worse before the crisis, traffic slightly less now. Sunday evenings in the summer months are terrible however as people return from dacha on same road. This CAN take 2 hours. Taxi to center takes 2000 rubels.
Hotel Milan to center not more than 30 by taxi, about 400-500 rubels max.
The Airport Express train doesn't make any stops, although occasionally slows to a crawl to let other trains past. It always takes 40 minutes and is reliable. Note however that if you take the train from airport to Paveletsky station (which costs 250 rubels) you are still not home and will need to take either metro or taxi to your hotel. If you have a lot of luggage metro is awkward and far to walk underground. If you take taxi from Paveletsky, the drivers will charge more than normal... kind of mafia situation there regarding which taxis work. Even short trip is 300-500 rubels.
Also not that the train only leaves every hour, so if you miss the train leaving at the hour, you'll have to wait another hour for the next one.
Therefore I usually take taxi in, it costs slightly more but much less hassle. Going out I usually take the train, as getting TO Paveletsky is cheap, usually 200 rubels from the center.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]This has been written many times before by myself and others.Romanian and Ukrainian prostitutes can't work in Moscow without registration, particularly Romanian would never even get a visa. Ukrainian girls have more or less disappeared from the market after a crackdown about 5 years ago.
Russian girls who wish to live in Moscow will have to find place to live etc. And life there is 2x more expensive than anywhere else in Russia and is also more expensive than life in Italy.
Besides, for every 1 girl earning big $$$ in Moscow, there are 5 earning only $.
And besides, why does a lawyer work in Iowa when he can earn 5 times as much in New York? Fate takes people different places and most prostitutes don't necessarily chose their destination. The end up different places for different reasons.
A pro friend of mine who used to work in Spain for good money and had a pleasant life returned to Russia because business in Spain is bad. She returned to Russia only to find out business is bad there too...[/QUOTE]
For understanding how Moscow is expencive... jut take a look at hotel prices (crazy for centrally located ones) twice than anywhere in EU... If you go to a market (I mean a rinok) everything you find (apart potato, cabbage, pork meat and some kind of fish) is more expencive than in Italy...
Business is bad in Moscow too and thre are streams of willing girls. Obvious that nobody is going to Moscow only for sex! Cuba will be a better destination for the price of a standard hotel and a overnighter (let's say 400 €) you can get a casa particular and five girls there! But on gound of a lot of work in Moscow I still have to go there, so may be I need some relax too ;)
I'm not so maniac in this kind of "Минет без резинки" with "oкончание в рот"... I fairly prefer a huge shot on a freckly teen face! Best if she is handcuffed and unwilling! :D
Just my two cents!
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[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]DME to center takes about 45 minutes during non-peak hours and about 90 minutes in peak time 5-7pm weekdays. Done it dozens of times. Was much worse before the crisis, traffic slightly less now. Sunday evenings in the summer months are terrible however as people return from dacha on same road. This CAN take 2 hours. Taxi to center takes 2000 rubels.
Hotel Milan to center not more than 30 by taxi, about 400-500 rubels max.
The Airport Express train doesn't make any stops, although occasionally slows to a crawl to let other trains past. It always takes 40 minutes and is reliable. Note however that if you take the train form airport to Paveletsky station (which costs 250 rubels) you are still not home and will need to take either metro or taxi to your hotel. If you have a lot of luggage metro is awkward and far to walk underground. If you take taxi from Paveletsky, the drivers will charge more than normal... kind of mafia situation there regarding which taxis work. Even short trip is 400-500 rubels.[/QUOTE]
I usually stay on the other side of the city (closer to SVO on gound of my business) and it takes from one to one and half hour to get there and 30/40 € depending on the way (see off or waiting). And mind that I usually get at DME in peak time on ground getting there around 4-5 p.m.
Milan hotel is close to Domodedovskaya metro statio (800 meters or so) and quite close to MKHAD... Surely not a place where i want to find myself if sleeping over in Moscow. Thinking to the price too... well over 100 € in the middle of nowhere! :(
Another two cents...
I thank for your reply. I like your reply but I need to underline some matters about the business "sex market":
- please, don't be angry, but prostitutes can't be real girlfriends with their own customers, this is 1000% sure. It is probably prostitutes can't be real girlfriends also when customers become just "friends" (with or without sex), but I am not sure 1000%. It is sure prostitutes could be girlfriends only if men meet them outside their "work" and men never know they are/were prostitutes.
- about karolevski miniet (or anal too), it doesn't depend on prostitutes, all prostitutes are in the sex market because all of them had the same "education" by pimps and mamashkas and all of them were used to do the standard service aka mouth-vaginal-anal fucking without condom (literally). Karolevski miniet is always included in any kind of hour-long standard service, and nevertheless karolevski miniet is not considered as real sex (Clinton's scandal had something true).
You never had a prostitute talking what exactly prostitutes have in their own brains, and you never had a pimp talking the reality to you.
From the point of view of emotivity, all of the rest are fairy tales for the peace of our minds.
From the point of view of business, paying sex without karolevski miniet is like paying a Mercedes and getting a Dacia: sure, there are happy customers for that but, sure, they are NOT the smartest men in the world!
At last, try to guess how I was when I saw all that I wrote above, was I happy? It was better for me never knowing the reality and still dreaming prostitutes are normal people. But they are just soldiers in the sex market where they catch money and shoot customers and please pimps (the generals).
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]A pro friend of mine who used to work in Spain for good money and had a pleasant life returned to Russia because business in Spain is bad. She returned to Russia only to find out business is bad there too. Acon, there aren't automatically separate prices for foreigners and Russians. In most places it is the same. The only reason foreigners end up often paying more is language. Foreigners who only speak English will end up going to those places that have some girls that speak English, and those are expensive places. The cheapest places for sex are salons and without Russian language are difficult to find because you have to speak on the phone in Russian to find them (in most cases).
As for your obssessive deep throat swallow, it depends on the pro. Some do (and usually after meeting a second time), some don't. This is also not just a question of foreigner vs. Russian.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but the best is a Peter North-style facial, with a cum tongue cleaning, and a cum gargle, and a swallow: I don't know anybody who don't likes that!
[QUOTE=It Travel]I'm not so maniac in this kind of "Минет без резинки" with "oкончание в рот"... I fairly prefer a huge shot on a freckly teen face! Best if she is handcuffed and unwilling! :D
Just my two cents!
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Минет без резинки" with "oкончание в рот" is NOT a swallow blowjob or karolevski miniet! That's a fraud! The magic words are я люблю КОРОЛЕВСКИЙ минет с проглотом. If girls pretend not to understand, kick girls away.
[QUOTE=It Travel]I'm not so maniac in this kind of "Минет без резинки" with "oкончание в рот"... I fairly prefer a huge shot on a freckly teen face! Best if she is handcuffed and unwilling! :D
Just my two cents!
IT[/QUOTE]
Hello, all:
I'm new to the Moscow forum, but have used ISG in other countries. I'm interested in finding a nice salon. The erotic-massage. Ru sounds interesting. I called the girl and she told me block 1, dom#22, room #46 on Studentcheskaya ulitsa(I speak a little Russian). My question is, how are addresses arranged in Russia? Are the blue numbers posted on buildings the dom #'s? Any info would be appreciated
Dhalgren17
Following the always good advice of our pizdiest, i went to check yesterday (saturday night) with some friends if Coyotte Ugly was a good place or not.
I totally confirm pizdiest message: crowded, good ratio male-female, crazy atmosphere.
We managed with one of my friends to kiss during the whole night 2 lesbos who were kissing each other also, 21 y.o. students... get the digits of course, and i am really hoping for some group sex with them.
Apart from that, the most beautiful girl of the company i work for was also in the coyotte ugly with 2 girlfriends...As i was drunk, i tried a little bit my chance with her, but clearly no open door... so bad. She is a 10.
4 bad points:
- entrance fees are 300 rur
- lot of expat
- you are not allowed to kiss a girl inside the club: i have received a full pint of water on my head thrown by a waitress when i was kissing one of the lesbos, and the security guard came 2 times to ask us to stop kissing the girls: it was done in a friendly way and we continued but still...weird.
- be drunk before you go: i was not able to make any difference between a rhum-cola and a whiskey-coke: so far it was only coca-cola with ice...
But all in all, I will return, party was really nice with many open girls everywhere.
[QUOTE=Passepartout]- lot of expat
- you are not allowed to kiss a girl inside the club: i have received a full pint of water on my head thrown by a waitress when i was kissing one of the lesbos, and the security guard came 2 times to ask us to stop kissing the girls: it was done in a friendly way and we continued but still...weird.
- be drunk before you go: i was not able to make any difference between a rhum-cola and a whiskey-coke: so far it was only coca-cola with ice...
[/QUOTE]I also agree that the drinks are weak. I was ordering triple whiskys last time there just to get drunk, that gets expensive fast. Also watch the bill... I twice had them charge me the wrong price for stuff... I chalk it off as inexperience of the wait staff, but it also could be girls being "hitrie".
No kissing? I never noticed. Last time there I was very much making out with girlfriend, my friends even cheering us on loudly... other couples also doing lots of kissing. Strange that they tried to interrupt you. Only time I was stopped was when we were dancing wildly too close to the motorcycle.
The only thing I can think of is if the kissing gets too wild and people start groping each other and taking off clothes, they tone it down before it gets out of hand. They want to avoid becoming another Hungry Duck. Just a theory though. Actually every time I have been there, there was a lot of kissing and groping etc. going on around me. Or maybe the lesbos were hired by the club to be there? Some girls are there from the club to get things going, but they usually have some sort of Coyote gear on. Obviously the management doesn't want their hired staff slobbering all over the patrons. .)
As for the expats, it seems to be THE place for local expats and foreign tourists to go now, replacing both Karma Bar and Real McCoy. Again, this is both good and bad. Brings in some girls looking for sexpats, but also increases the competition. If it gets too expat-laden, the club will become a sausage fest.
[QUOTE=Acolonizer]- please, don't be angry, but prostitutes can't be real girlfriends with their own customers, this is 1000% sure. It is probably prostitutes can't be real girlfriends also when customers become just "friends" (with or without sex), but I am not sure 1000%. It is sure prostitutes could be girlfriends only if men meet them outside their "work" and men never know they are/were prostitutes..[/QUOTE]Perhaps you misunderstand me or what I mean by "prostitute friend".
I have a few prostitute friends I see sometimes, but they aren't my "girlfriends" per se. I have no interest in developing these relationships further and presumably they don't either.
It's been said here before and I thought it was so obvious that it didn't need to be said again. Men who fall in love with prostitutes are fools. It just won't work except in some very rare cases and with men who have a very strong personality. Most men couldnt handle her realities.
What I do have with my pro friends are very candid conversations and we talk about everything, including sex, their lives, the business, my life, their customers, other girls etc. And what I enjoy about this kind of relationship is that they are very candid with me as well. It isn't always pleasant what they say to me and about me, but it is real. I enjoy that.
As for your Korolevsky Minet, it simply isn't that important for me. Like anal, it also has no priority for me. It is a question of mood... if the mood is right, go for it. But other things are more important.
What I do insist on (and get 90% of the time) is BBBJ.
Furthermore I like to cum on girl's faces. We all have our hobbies and fetishes. :)
BTW, the wildest things I've ever done sexually weren't with prostitutes, but were with real girlfriends or one night stands from clubs. Like fucking a girl in the ass and then pulling out and fucking her mouth, making her suck my dick until I come in her mouth and face. Pretty amazing what girls will do or let be done to them in the heat of passion.
Even more amazing is how many of them actually like the rough, perverted treatment.
[quote=doctor_skank]perhaps you misunderstand me.
i have prostitute friends, but they aren't my girlfriends per se. i have no interest in developing this further and presumably they don't either. it's been said here before and i thought it was so obvious that it didn't need to be said again. men who fall in love with prostitutes are fools. it just won't work except in some very rare cases and with men who have a very strong personality. most men couldnt handle her realities.
what we do have are very candid conversations and talk about everything, including sex, their lives, customers etc. and what i enjoy about this kind of relationship is that they are very candid with me as well. it isn't always pleasant what they say to me and about me, but it is real. i enjoy that.
as for your korelevsky minet, it simply isn't that important for me. like anal, it also has no priority for me. it is a question of mood... if the mood is right, go for it.
what i do insist on (and get 90% of the time) is bbbj.
furthermore i like to cum on girl's faces. we all have our hobbies. :)
btw, the wildest things i've ever done sexually weren't with prostitutes, but were with real girlfriends or one night stands from clubs.[/quote]
i agree doc (have pro friends too, and often we are talking on money, investments and what they will do when ritired) ... bbbj is nearly a must... i'm not so fixed in head for that kind of bbbj, fairly prefer a facial... but anal ist very very intresting for me...
the only thing that makes me totally crazy would be a threesome with twins... was avaliable both in moscow and in kiev (not cheap obviously) but i never matched to do it... (but i did sisters.... and normal threesomes) :p
by the way the worst and most hard things where done with girlfriends... i have been so lucky to have for years several... yep we can say ninfomanka? specially one crazy for hard and harsh anal sex. she took me in the anal [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] role game... wearing waiter dress too :p :p
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[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]BTW, the wildest things I've ever done sexually weren't with prostitutes, but were with real girlfriends or one night stands from clubs. Like fucking a girl in the ass and then pulling out and fucking her mouth, making her suck my dick until I come in her mouth and face. Pretty amazing what girls will do or let be done to them in the heat of passion.[/QUOTE]
The "no-limits" sexual passion of Russian women never ceases to amaze me. They are inevitably at 1000 mph. Guys who say that they are cold in bed REALLY don't know what they are talking about.
Ass to mouth is also a hobby of mine. My current Russian GF loves it. And BTW, maybe I've been lucky, but all the Russian women I've had sex with were keen on anal.
Yes, you are right in that point, you know the business indeed.
I knew one of those strong men (an Armenian), it is usually one of their pimps, and it seems, also, their affective relationship lasts as much as their work relationship. Moreover, I met, at the airport in Kiev, an Ukrainian prostitute/mamashka, who worked near me, with her Italian husband, oh what a romantic scene: "Stefano, please, take my luggage" "Oh yes, my darling" and he wasn't an attractive man at all!
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]It's been said here before and I thought it was so obvious that it didn't need to be said again. Men who fall in love with prostitutes are fools. It just won't work except in some very rare cases and with men who have a very strong personality. Most men couldn't handle her realities.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Prosal]The "no-limits" sexual passion of Russian women never ceases to amaze me. They are inevitably at 1000 mph. Guys who say that they are cold in bed REALLY don't know what they are talking about.
Ass to mouth is also a hobby of mine. My current Russian GF loves it. And BTW, maybe I've been lucky, but all the Russian women I've had sex with were keen on anal.[/QUOTE]x2. They do love sex. I've had very few girls that didn't like sex, only a couple that felt it was painful. In some cases that was a matter of training and they learned to love it. A couple of cases were the girls were abnormally small "down there" or too uptight to relax. But the vast majority were very sexual.
Although I haven't had as many girls be keen on anal as you. Definitely not all, if I had to put it in percentages I would say about 30%. Max.
None of them are shocked by the idea though, so it doesn't hurt trying. Well maybe her a bit. .)
i agree that anal sex is not something a russian girl would do on the first night. All anal sex i have performed was with girlfriend i stayed at least 2 months before they accepted - but they all accepted this. You just need time.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]
No kissing? I never noticed. Last time there I was very much making out with girlfriend, my friends even cheering us on loudly... other couples also doing lots of kissing. Strange that they tried to interrupt you. Only time I was stopped was when we were dancing wildly too close to the motorcycle.
The only thing I can think of is if the kissing gets too wild and people start groping each other and taking off clothes, they tone it down before it gets out of hand. They want to avoid becoming another Hungry Duck. Just a theory though. Actually every time I have been there, there was a lot of kissing and groping etc. going on around me.
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Well for the water we received, it was just a kind of fun from the waitresses, as it was getting really hot with the 2 lesbos.
We were located near the entrance door, so maybe this is why maybe the security could watch our games more easily. But, it was done in a way that didn't stop us: nothing serious.
[QUOTE=Dhalgren17]The erotic-massage. Ru sounds interesting. I called the girl and she told me block 1, dom#22, room #46 on Studentcheskaya ulitsa(I speak a little Russian). My question is, how are addresses arranged in Russia? Are the blue numbers posted on buildings the dom #'s?[/QUOTE]Dhalgren,
Moscow addresses (and Russian addresses in general) are a whole subject in themselves.
The Russian word Дом (dohm) means house. It identifies the street address of a building, and yes, the blue enameled signs you see on buildings in Moscow show the дом number.
A large building in Moscow may also have many different entrances. An entrance to a building is called a подьезд (podyezd), and it will also have a number. Typically there is a домофон (domofone), which is an intercom that you can use to call an apartment from the подьезд. You will either have to enter a code to open the door, or they might buzz the door for you.
Once inside you need to know the этаж (etazh) floor, and also the квартира (kvarteera), apartment. Generally speaking, the apartment number has nothing to do with the floor. Apartment 48, could be on the 10th floor.
There is one more variation on Russian addresses: this is the корпус (corpus). I've been to the erotic-massage.ru salon at Studentcheskaya before, so I know what the girl is referring to. There is more than one building at that address, so each building is identified by a корпус number; 1, 2, 3 etc.
One more little trick about visiting salons in Moscow. Not only do you have to buzz yourself in, but you also have to buzz yourself out. So when you arrive at the podyezd to leave the building, look around for a little button somewhere that you will have to press to open the door.
Please do not post specific info about salons; podyezd and apartment, and certainly not any entry codes. The salons operate out of private apartments so typically they can only accommodate 2 or 3 customers at a time. If too many guys show up, they can't handle the business. If it happens too much, they may be forced to move and that's not good for anyone.
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Dhalgren,
Moscow addresses (and Russian addresses in general) are a whole subject in themselves.
The Russian word? (dohm) means house. It identifies the street address of a building, and yes, the blue enameled signs you see on buildings in Moscow show the? Number.
A large building in Moscow may also have many different entrances. An entrance to a building is called a? (podyezd), and it will also have a number. Typically there is a? (domofone), which is an intercom that you can use to call an apartment from the?. You will either have to enter a code to open the door, or they might buzz the door for you.
Once inside you need to know the? (etazh) floor, and also the? (kvarteera), apartment. Generally speaking, the apartment number has nothing to do with the floor. Apartment 48, could be on the 10th floor.
There is one more variation on Russian addresses: this is the? (corpus). I've been to the erotic-massage. Ru salon at Studentcheskaya before, so I know what the girl is referring to. There is more than one building at that address, so each building is identified by a? Number; 1, 2, 3 etc.
One more little trick about visiting salons in Moscow. Not only do you have to buzz yourself in, but you also have to buzz yourself out. So when you arrive at the podyezd to leave the building, look around for a little button somewhere that you will have to press to open the door.
Please do not post specific info about salons; podyezd and apartment, and certainly not any entry codes. The salons operate out of private apartments so typically they can only accommodate 2 or 3 customers at a time. If too many guys show up, they can't handle the business. If it happens too much, they may be forced to move and that's not good for anyone.[/QUOTE]wow, Stravinsky you are an expert for sure! With such a detailed description it; s impossible to miss something! Thanks a lot. Always myself had a pain in the ass in finding addresses in Russia.
Sam80,
не за что...
Where have you been keeping yourself? You've spent time in Moscow and this is your first post?
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]I also agree that the drinks are weak. I was ordering triple whiskys last time there just to get drunk, that gets expensive fast. [/QUOTE]
Amen to that, bro - paying $10 for a pint of Guinness just seems wrong. Still... it's a bargain compared to other major cities like New York, Tokyo, Paris or London.
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No kissing? I never noticed. Last time there I was very much making out with girlfriend, my friends even cheering us on loudly... other couples also doing lots of kissing. Strange that they tried to interrupt you.
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I can back that up... 109's girl was dry humping him half the time, and Doc had his tongue down his girl's throat more often than not. If you recall... this is the hottie who vanished without a trace, only to reappear dancing on top of the bar in her skivvys with a different hairstyle. That's gotta be an All Time Classic. In any case, there was all sorts of mauling going on there, and I didn't see anyone from Security or the waitstaff objecting. I'm with Skank... I'm guessing the girls were staff members and their co-workers were just trying to cool you off (and in turn, the girls as well).
[QUOTE]
As for the expats, it seems to be THE place for local expats and foreign tourists to go now, replacing both Karma Bar and Real McCoy. Again, this is both good and bad. Brings in some girls looking for sexpats, but also increases the competition. If it gets too expat-laden, the club will become a sausage fest.[/QUOTE]
So far, they seem to be keeping the male:female ratio in check. I'm not sure *how* they're doing it exactly, but whatever it is - it's working. Recent visits to Che, on the other hand, have shown it to be going in the opposite direction in terms of male:female ratio. Last week, even on the dancefloor, there were 3 guys to every "girl" (using that term in the loosest sense given that these women were born while Brezhnev was still heading the country). The only reason I go there any more is for the live music, fajita nachos, and the mojitos, and usually I BYOB (bring my own b!tches).
[QUOTE=Pizdyets] If you recall... this is the hottie who vanished without a trace, only to reappear dancing on top of the bar in her skivvys with a different hairstyle. That's gotta be an All Time Classic. [/QUOTE]Indeed, that was just too awesome. .))))
So is the new Che groove mostly Russians or expats? IIRC, the most annoying guys there were always the Russians. And us of course.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]So is the new Che groove mostly Russians or expats? IIRC, the most annoying guys there were always the Russians. And us of course.[/QUOTE]
Hmm... how can I say this and not come across like a complete bigot? Maybe "Swarthy Expats"? Lots of Beautiful Creatures(TM).
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Sam80,
не за что...
Where have you been keeping yourself? You've spent time in Moscow and this is your first post?[/QUOTE]Well, I've been busy a while and now I free to share my experience with the people from this forum.
As promised, I'm posting a report about a recently-completed visit to Fantasys. I have made an extensive research of their website and picked 3 names: Oksana, Diana and another one, whose name I now forgot.
Called in, came and saw 3 girls waiting for me in one room. To my surprise (after reading so many positive posts about this establishment), the girls were not in the mood to exhibit even minor attempt to friendliness. I am relatively young, well groomed and good looking. So, I'm certain that their attetude had little to do with me per se.
I picked the least unfriendly Oksana. After disappearin for a while, Oksana came in and squeezed out herself few words that made it plainly clear to me that I won't enjoy the encounter. I'm sadly not aroused by bad attitude, even coming from a good looking young blond. So, I told her, "sorry, Oksana, I don't think we have chemistry here, I'm leaving". At this point, I should have followed my instinct that is almost never betrays me. Yet, I didn't. Scared by the potential of me leaving, Oksana pleaded with me to reconsider, stating that we'll certainly get along etc. Little I knew, as soon as she got the cash, she immediately reverted to her usual lazy/unfriendly attitude.
When I started playing with her body, she declared to me that if I want to make it nice to her - I shouldn't bother, as she "doesn't care". I should just do what I need and not inconvenience her with foreplay. After forcing myself to finish the first time (usually, it comes easy for me, but not with Oksana), we spoke for a little bit. I asked her why her friends were so unfriendly and she told me that Fantasy now employs all old-timers who have their clients and really don't want to exert themselves any more. The irony that this pretty much described her as well did not reach her comprehension. She became somewhat friendlier during the chit-chat but when I proposed to do IT again, she said: "there are 10 minutes left and usually at this time clients are getting ready to leave, not to do it again". The hints of "friendly" quickly disappeared from her face. I realized that she'd just lazy piece of crap and decided to cut my losses and leave. I told her good by and left.
My recommendation to anyone here is not to visit Fantasys. I check all their girls before making the final selection. The verdict is that they are not that pretty for the most part and those who are act as unfriendly as it gets. Plus, this place is now really overpriced at 4500 rubles/hour.
Hope this helps to someone. Aibolit
Visited B2B. Nice club. Several levels of music. Demokratichni club, where face control is non-existant. As a result, the music is very nice, crowd is nice, BUT no really good-looking ladies. Good place to visit with few friends from work to dance for the very nice music.
I did hear that Soho Rooms is a hot place in town, where glamour-looking Russians are going. Hope to go there next time.
Aibolit.
I like B2 because it is always crowded and have a real russian douma. Of course, you can only target the middle-class girl who will be far from being a top model, but there are still doable girls. Once every 3 months, i like to go to this club.
Went yesterday to Up and Down: we were maximum 100 people inside...amazingly empty.
[quote=passepartout]went yesterday to up and down: we were maximum 100 people inside...amazingly empty.[/quote]i heard through the grapevine they had some sort of legal problem (official reason was not enough fire exits iirc) and that they even shut down for a while, but am not sure.
[QUOTE=Aibolit]
My recommendation to anyone here is not to visit Fantasys. I check all their girls before making the final selection. The verdict is that they are not that pretty for the most part and those who are act as unfriendly as it gets. Plus, this place is now really overpriced at 4500 rubles/hour.
[/QUOTE]
Sorry you had a bad time. I feel somewhat responsible, but on the other hand, it's not that I gave false info. 90% of the time I go to these salons, I do have a good time. Though I concur with many of your comments:
1) 4500 an hour is very steep. What you're paying for isn't necessarily the girl. It's also the location, the newly remodeled interior, the discretion, the marketing...
2) many of the girls there have been around the block a few (dozen) times. Not all, but many.
3) all of my favorites have left within the past few months: Nastya and Tanya at Fantasy's, Natasha and Masha at Charmel
Here's my critical analysis, for what it's worth:
a) if they only had 3 girls available, then you went at a bad time and should have turned tail then. To compare, there are usually 10 girls waiting when I visit, and at least half are smiling, if not being downright flirtatious
b) follow your initial instincts. If you feel there's no chemistry, then you're almost certainly right. Head for the door or request another girl.
c) though I've seen her a few times, I've never had Oksana. Reviews on her are actually fairly decent, though, and she is genuinely cute. Which leads to my final point:
d) YMMV. Wh0res are human, after all. And just like us, they have good days and bad days. Even a 3 star French restaurant can serve up mediocre food now and then, and with something as subjective and personal as sex, there's no way any establishment can satisfy all desires. Hope you have better luck next time, wherever it may be.
I am looking for some normal guys that want to join me on my hunting tours. I have been living in Moscow for five years and quite a lot of experience concerning behavior, clubs and places in general.
Unfortunately, most of my buddies returned back to the US or Western Europe and chasing for pussy on my own is only half fun. I am a 28-years old German, but was living in the US for 1.5 years.
Looking forward for birds of a feather.
Peter Schiller
[QUOTE=Peter Schiller]...I have been living in Moscow for five years...[/QUOTE]
A good beginning could be if you will share with us all the gold and precious infos you learned in 5 years in Moscow... not all, it enough some ;)
[QUOTE=Peter Schiller]I am looking for some normal guys that want to join me on my hunting tours. I have been living in Moscow for five years and quite a lot of experience concerning behavior, clubs and places in general.
Unfortunately, most of my buddies returned back to the US or Western Europe and chasing for pussy on my own is only half fun. I am a 28-years old German, but was living in the US for 1.5 years.
Looking forward for birds of a feather.
Peter Schiller[/QUOTE]I am in Moscow for the weekend and would love hunting.
Let me know how to contact you.
Here masters have reminded: Moscow is good IF you come for business and your company pays almost everything for you, otherwise the city is one of most expensive in the world, with no respect of quality.
Who wants to try Russia for sex, please try other cities first.
[QUOTE=Acolonizer]Here masters have reminded: Moscow is good IF you come for business and your company pays almost everything for you, otherwise the city is one of most expensive in the world, with no respect of quality.
Who wants to try Russia for sex, please try other cities first.[/QUOTE]I have a question, though: Which cities would you try first?
[QUOTE=Castonthis]I have a question, though: Which cities would you try first?[/QUOTE] UFA!!!! ....... Just kidding. Ufa is great but not exactly cheap. Although Lukasek had some great luck about a year ago. Suggest you look at some of his posts. He spent about a month in Russia on a budget and didn't go to Moscow. Of course, the problem is that once you leave the big cities, there are a lot few people who speak English so you have to be prepared for fending for yourself. But once you get out into the provinces prices for everything come way down.
[QUOTE=Castonthis]I have a question, though: Which cities would you try first?[/QUOTE]St.Petersburg in the winter months is quite affordable. In the summer however the accomadation prices are quite high.
Generally speaking it is a bit cheaper than Moscow, including paid sex.
Provinces (and that means any city besides Moscow or Petes) have some advantages, but be prepared for the following:
1) you must entertain yourself. Most weekdays are rather dead, everything concentrates on the weekends.
2) P4P can be very well hidden and basically you will have trouble finding it unless you speak Russian or are a courageous body language speaker, meaning you have a thick skin and good people skills.
[QUOTE=Peter Schiller]I am looking for some normal guys that want to join me on my hunting tours. I have been living in Moscow for five years and quite a lot of experience concerning behavior, clubs and places in general.
Unfortunately, most of my buddies returned back to the US or Western Europe and chasing for pussy on my own is only half fun. I am a 28-years old German, but was living in the US for 1.5 years.
Looking forward for birds of a feather.
Peter Schiller[/QUOTE]
Good idea! I would be interested in meeting with some like minded gents in Moscow for some interesting hunting. Let me know how I can contact you!
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]St.Petersburg in the winter months is quite affordable. In the summer however the accomadation prices are quite high.
Generally speaking it is a bit cheaper than Moscow, including paid sex.
Provinces (and that means any city besides Moscow or Petes) have some advantages, but be prepared for the following:
1) you must entertain yourself. Most weekdays are rather dead, everything concentrates on the weekends.
2) P4P can be very well hidden and basically you will have trouble finding it unless you speak Russian or are a courageous body language speaker, meaning you have a thick skin and good people skills.[/QUOTE]
IMHO, the freebie scene here in Moscow is still damn good, particularly if you speak no Russian. Kiev, Minsk and the provinces are better in terms of desperation factor, but on the other hand, there aren't as many fluent English speakers out there either. In Moscow you can find cultured, intelligent and good looking young women who not only speak English, but are looking for opportunities to practice it (and other things, if you catch my drift).
Of course you need some game, and need to scale your expectations with what you see in the mirror. I've found I [b]always[/b] kill 'em if I'm wearing one of my best Italian suits -- so dress the part, be confident and don't be afraid to grab some ass (and I mean that in the most literal way).
[QUOTE=Pizdyets] I've found I always kill 'em if I'm wearing one of my best Italian suits -- so dress the part[/QUOTE]
+1. Slavic girls are undoubtedly some of the most fashion-conscious women on earth and are VERY good at gauging what you wear. Fake and cheap gets you nowhere. It's a turn-off for 99% of the girls. They love to dress to the tens, and anything less than a equally well-groomed guy is not a guy worth fucking. Especially if you're a foreigner. A guy coming from the West and not dressed with style and class will be immediatly and irremediably categorized as a total loser. Many mongers travelling to FSU don't really realize it, but that's how is women's mentality in this part of the world.
Personally in EE/FSU I dress in upper-quality and non-monogrammed (being classy but non ostentatious is an important point IMO, and anyway looooong gone are the days when Russian girls were impressed by ostentatiously logoed clothes) Zegna, P.Zileri or Boss casual line clothing. Shoes are also overly important, and in that respect nothing can beat a pair of Santoni or Berluti.
[QUOTE=Prosal]+1. Slavic girls are undoubtedly some of the most fashion-conscious women on earth and are VERY good at gauging what you wear. Fake and cheap gets you nowhere. It's a turn-off for 99% of the girls. They love to dress to the tens, and anything less than a equally well-groomed guy is not a guy worth fucking. Especially if you're a foreigner. A guy coming from the West and not dressed with style and class will be immediatly and irremediably categorized as a total loser. Many mongers travelling to FSU don't really realize it, but that's how is women's mentality in this part of the world.
Personally in EE/FSU I dress in upper-quality and non-monogrammed (being classy but non ostentatious is an important point IMO, and anyway looong gone are the days when Russian girls were impressed by monogrammed clothes) Zegna, P.Zileri or Boss casual line clothing. Shoes are also overly important, and in that respect nothing can beat a pair of Santoni or Berluti.[/QUOTE]
Ditto on all of that. But here's a thought for contrast.
I was in Moscow last summer and visited the sports wear place in Chisti Prudy (forget the name). They had a lot of "Bogner" clothing on sale so I bought navy polo shirt at 70% off. I wore it out that night with a tired (but clean and pressed) pair of jeans and boat shoes (with no socks) and got hit on and smiled at continually. It couldn't have been the jeans, it wasn't the shoes, and it CERTAINLY wasn't my boyish good looks (or lack thereof ;) ). But when a guy is wearing an untucked polo short with a big "B" on the chest that regularly retails at $250, it's like broadcasting a message that says, "I have more money than brains and I don't give a shit what anyone thinks". There's a confidence issue there at work that appeals to those girls who know their brands. And the Moscow girls CERTAINLY know their brands!!!!
Doubt it! Clean crisp American casual has always worked for me. Plus I do
my sit ups and walk like a man.
[QUOTE=Jake993]But when a guy is wearing an untucked polo short with a big "B" on the chest that regularly retails at $250, it's like broadcasting a message that says, "I have more money than brains and I don't give a shit what anyone thinks".[/QUOTE]
"More Money than Brains" - the ultimate aphrodisiac!
We should trademark that as a brand and sell it as watches, shoes and cars!
I operate at a certain disadvantage because I am name-brand averse.
My suits are all made by a quality Montreal bespoke tailor and none of my clothing bears any recognizable international brand, except of course my watch, which is a rugged rather than prestigious brand.
So my question is - do the girls know quality or only brand names?
I can buy a branded shirt or two if it will make an impression.
And I have often thought of buying a faux Rolex specifically for this purpose - flashing at dyevs in bars. Or can they see through a knock-off?
The biggest compliment a girl can make you is calling you a „real man“, it is what Slavic girls are groomed to be attracted to.
Defining “real man” is a bit of a challenge and of course it does leave something up to the interpretation and tastes of the individual female. Thankfully.
Certain factors always get mentioned though:
• purpose in life
• drive
• ability to make and stick to decisions
• success
• skills
Of the above listed points, in a brief encounter with a female (for example at a club) you’ll only have the opportunity to express some of the above, depending on situation.
One of the ways to express success is through clothing. It is also a way to indicate that you respect yourself enough to care how you look. Overdoing it will get you labelled a girly boy though, which is almost as bad as being a slob.
Generally, I absolutely agree with the recent posts. Dressing well will do a lot to making a good first impression, and most often that is the only chance you will get. If you know girls through other means, like work for example, and you see them more often, you’ll have more opportunity to show them your other qualities and fashion sense takes a less-important role, to the point of being label-obsessed being a negative (girlish) quality.
Girls are girls however, and your people skills… especially communication etc., become more important and more decisive depending on how much time you’ll have to speak and communicate with them. Dressing well and the initial impression it makes might just buy you that precious time you need.
[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]So my question is - do the girls know quality or only brand names?
I can buy a branded shirt or two if it will make an impression.[/QUOTE]
They sure know quality, without a doubt.
The best brands are the brands that keep it discreet, and girls undoudtedly know it. Nowadays, the only people who enjoy covering themselves head-to-toe in a brand's initials are the "wannabe rich" local flatheads and the italian or turk sex-hungry tourists(as in Chisinau). A simple black Zegna shirt with absolutely no monogramm on it will always be more chic than any grotesquely logoed D&G or Armani stuff.
[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]"More Money than Brains". The ultimate aphrodisiac!
We should trademark that as a brand and sell it as watches, shoes and cars!
I operate at a certain disadvantage because I am name-brand averse.
My suits are all made by a quality Montreal bespoke tailor and none of my clothing bears any recognizable international brand, except of course my watch, which is a rugged rather than prestigious brand.
So my question is. Do the girls know quality or only brand names?
I can buy a branded shirt or two if it will make an impression.
And I have often thought of buying a faux Rolex specifically for this purpose. Flashing at dyevs in bars. Or can they see through a knock-off?[/QUOTE]Dos Equis Beer 'the Most Interesting Man in the World' is really Prosal. LOL. Slavic girls express their femininity with style and flair; they demand corresponding quality in their male counterparts.
[QUOTE=Zingadoon]Dos Equis Beer 'the Most Interesting Man in the World' is really Prosal. LOL. Slavic girls express their femininity with style and flair; they demand corresponding quality in their male counterparts.[/QUOTE]
Oh well .. still trolling threads where you have absolutely nothing to contribute ? ...a speciality of yours obviously ...no wonder why you are under a full moderated mode. :rolleyes:
Anyway your usual wear in Thailand or Phom Penh nasty brothels - surely leather sandals with white socks, long shorts and loose-fitting tee-shirt - will not do it in FSU. Sorry.
[QUOTE=Prosal]Oh well .. still trolling threads where you have absolutely nothing to contribute ? ...a speciality of yours obviously ...no wonder why you are under a full moderated mode. :rolleyes:
Anyway your usual wear in Thailand or Phom Penh nasty brothels - surely leather sandals with white socks, long shorts and loose-fitting tee-shirt - will not do it in FSU. Sorry.[/QUOTE]Right. 10 years mongering 'extensively' in Malaysia you'd know.
Yes, this is the fulcrum in female mindset: the "real man". Above all, about beautiful and aggressive women.
However, we know there are few real men as many as few real women in the world: 95% men are aged children, 95% women are mala fide animals.
I need to add another quality of a real man with Eastern women: a real man who knows how to make fun his own women as much as a bad man who is always ready to leave them for other women.
This is about beautiful and aggressive women.
For all the rest of "normal" appearance (pretty ugly) women, any kind of man is good just for the purpose to get a family (not for love sure). This is the reason for what I never get married: real love is with no marriage.
Instead about prostitutes, I have to remind what I see in Italy with young Slavic prostitutes: a customer could be the oldest and dirtiest man in the world, they are always ready to swallow customer's cum for 20/30 euros (and sometimes his [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] too). With no mind about dress and communication!
I am sure it is the same in all over the world. Therefore I am often shocked when men have a long travel to get some silly pussy fuckings: prostitutes work to do the filthiest things in human mind, otherwise they are not called "prostitutes"!
Orpheus said to Neo "Welcome to the real world . . . "
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]The biggest compliment a girl can make you is calling you a „real man“, it is what Slavic girls are groomed to be attracted to.
Defining “real man” is a bit of a challenge and of course it does leave something up to the interpretation and tastes of the individual female. Thankfully.
Certain factors always get mentioned though:
• purpose in life
• drive
• ability to make and stick to decisions
• success
• skills
Of the above listed points, in a brief encounter with a female (for example at a club) you’ll only have the opportunity to express some of the above, depending on situation.
One of the ways to express success is through clothing. It is also a way to indicate that you respect yourself enough to care how you look. Overdoing it will get you labelled a girly boy though, which is almost as bad as being a slob.
Generally, I absolutely agree with the recent posts. Dressing well will do a lot to making a good first impression, and most often that is the only chance you will get. If you know girls through other means, like work for example, and you see them more often, you’ll have more opportunity to show them your other qualities and fashion sense takes a less-important role, to the point of being label-obsessed being a negative (girlish) quality.
Girls are girls however, and your people skills… especially communication etc., become more important and more decisive depending on how much time you’ll have to speak and communicate with them. Dressing well and the initial impression it makes might just buy you that precious time you need.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Zingadoon]Right. 10 years mongering 'extensively' in Malaysia you'd know.[/QUOTE]
Impressing. 10 years fuking semi-enslaved prostitutes in mass service Heath Centers with other dozens thousands of filthy asian woremongers.
You're a true pioneer elite monger. Bravo.
[QUOTE=Prosal]Impressing. 10 years fuking semi-enslaved prostitutes in mass service Heath Centers with other dozens thousands of filthy asian woremongers.
You're a true pioneer elite monger. Bravo.[/QUOTE]Dude, that was pretty offensive. To be honest, a hooker is a hooker regardless of where is from. I wouldn't want to have sex with an Asian hooker, because I heard most Asian women like white guys so what is the point of paying? I can understand with Russian women why.
I do plan on eventually mongering overseas Russia and Ukraine, are top destinations for me. But if someone wants to monger in Asia then ok but you didn't need to say what you did.
Why do people say Say "dude" before trying to say something serious? Zingadong got the reply he asked for, but quiet on the Eastern front please, you've gone and woken Acolonizer! and you know what that means ) Zingadork's silly reply wasn't even worthy of comment. The greatest show of power is in restraint. Speaking of which its about time Moscow had indoor Tochka's like St Petersburg?
[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]
So my question is - do the girls know quality or only brand names?...........Or can they see through a knock-off?[/QUOTE]
GT, Hell of a question. Off the cuff I would say that most of the girls that any of us mongers stand a chance with recognize the brand rather than the quality. They have learned to recognize brands as an indicator of wealth. I think most of urban Russia is still going through some degree of development of a middle class. They have only been engaged in western style capitalism for less than 20 years so only the youngest teens have grown up with true consumer level quality goods. Of course, the Soviet Elite had access to foreign quality consumer goods, but the female children of late Soviet Elitny are probably married to oligarchs, running their own businesses, or occupying roles in Russian society that look down their noses at most of us.
So, if you are decked out in faux fashion to attract a comely young devushka, chances are she will not know the difference. Having said that, there is a certain real estate broker I know (in the biblical sense) who is in her late 30's and has impeccable taste in terms of quality and style. Mind you, her father was a member of the communist party and held a fairly respectable post in the academy of sciences....... so I guess I made my own point.
Just as an aside - I am back in Dubai today after a very quick and unscheduled side trip to Russia. One night in Tyumen (will report later in the proper spot) and the weekend in Moscow. There has been a certain amount written about Russian and other CIS girls who "work" in Dubai and frequent such bars as Rattlesnake and the Mariner's Lounge in the Seaview. After being Dubai for a week, taking a side trip to Russia and now being back in Dubai, I can tell you without hesitation that the CIS girls in Dubai are decidedly the "B - Team". No comparison. IMHO.
[QUOTE=Jake993] After being Dubai for a week, taking a side trip to Russia and now being back in Dubai, I can tell you without hesitation that the CIS girls in Dubai are decidedly the "B - Team". No comparison. IMHO.[/QUOTE]Jake,
Couldn't agree more. My first experience of CIS girls was in Dubai, and for a few years there they were my only choice when there. I also think the quality of the CIS girls has declined in the Emirates over the last few years.
The girls I've met over the past few years in Russia itself have been twice as good as those I met regularly in Dubai. In general, those I meet in Russia are alot younger than those in the UAE, and seem less jaded...if that's the right way to describe it...
Cheers
[QUOTE=Jake993] One night in Tyumen (will report later in the proper spot)[/QUOTE]
Would be really interesting to hear about Tyumen. From what I noticed on my favorite dating site (which is nor mamba and nor LL :)), the place seems to be swarming with truly hot girls. Furthermore, my fav contact there sent me pics of the city, and it seems to be rather pleasant (by russian standarts), with many historic buildings.
Couldn't settle if Tyumen was in Ural or Siberia though. :confused:
[QUOTE=Prosal]Oh well. Still trolling threads where you have absolutely nothing to contribute?. A speciality of yours obviously. No wonder why you are under a full moderated mode.
Anyway your usual wear in Thailand or Phom Penh nasty brothels. Surely leather sandals with white socks, long shorts and loose-fitting tee-shirt. Will not do it in FSU. Sorry.[/QUOTE] Deferring to your expertise here. Years of your 365thai posts show your extensive experience in this area.
[QUOTE=Nickc]Why do people say Say "dude" before trying to say something serious? Zingadong got the reply he asked for, but quiet on the Eastern front please, you've gone and woken Acolonizer! and you know what that means ) Zingadork's silly reply wasn't even worthy of comment. The greatest show of power is in restraint. Speaking of which its about time Moscow had indoor Tochka's like St Petersburg?[/QUOTE]Thanks Nicksy for giving the reply I asked for. you da man, dude. no need to restrain yourself.
Tyumen is Siberian city under category "near Siberia" close to Ural.
Passing Ural first comes Ekaterinburg, Tyumen, Omsk, Novosibirsk.
Tyumen has hot girls, lots of german blood from 18th century and polish blood from 1944. Current Miss Russia is from Tyumen I think.
Girls in Tyumen don't fall for money since Tyumen has oil based economy and is in top 5 russian areas in income.
One night in Tyumen is definitelly not enough!
[QUOTE=Dogger862]Jake,
The girls I've met over the past few years in Russia itself have been twice as good as those I met regularly in Dubai. In general, those I meet in Russia are alot younger than those in the UAE, and seem less jaded...if that's the right way to describe it...Cheers[/QUOTE]
I might add that Singapore, Hong Kong and Macau are the CIS B team as well, and they charge more than the A team back in Russia.
The last 2 girls i've meet in Moscow were not only young and beautiful but also happy and pleasant company. In Singpore the B team hang out at Brix
Bar and you'ld be lucky if they even talk to anyone and they start at absurd prices. You say hello and they snarl. Cheers Nickc
I read the following post by prosal and I have 2 questions, stupid as they may seem : this is referring to try to pick up girls for free, right?
The other question is : is it worth it to go to Russia for 2 weeks and try to pick up girls off the street or in clubs ? Can someone who speaks Russian and has money expect to have some success?
[QUOTE=Prosal]+1. Slavic girls are undoubtedly some of the most fashion-conscious women on earth and are VERY good at gauging what you wear. Fake and cheap gets you nowhere. It's a turn-off for 99% of the girls. They love to dress to the tens, and anything less than a equally well-groomed guy is not a guy worth fucking. Especially if you're a foreigner. A guy coming from the West and not dressed with style and class will be immediatly and irremediably categorized as a total loser. Many mongers travelling to FSU don't really realize it, but that's how is women's mentality in this part of the world.
Personally in EE/FSU I dress in upper-quality and non-monogrammed (being classy but non ostentatious is an important point IMO, and anyway looooong gone are the days when Russian girls were impressed by ostentatiously logoed clothes) Zegna, P.Zileri or Boss casual line clothing. Shoes are also overly important, and in that respect nothing can beat a pair of Santoni or Berluti.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Cherchezfemme]The other question is : is it worth it to go to Russia for 2 weeks and try to pick up girls off the street or in clubs ? Can someone who speaks Russian and has money expect to have some success?[/QUOTE]
Конечно! But if you speak Russian, the desperation factor is higher in the provinces and you'll likely have even better luck there. And, well... it's a helluvalot cheaper. You don't even have to go that far out of Moscow to appreciate the difference. Nearby towns like Vladimir, Sergeev Posad and Tver' have tons of smokin' hot girls who'd love to have a foreigner drop some coin on them, and give you exactly what you're looking for in return.
[QUOTE=Kurenda]
One night in Tyumen is definitelly not enough![/QUOTE] I spent one night in Tyumen last week. In fact it wasn't really a whole night at all. I arrived at 4:40 AM on a Thursday morning and then left again on the Friday morning at on the 6:00 AM flight. However, what I did see was both impressive and encouraging.
I stayed at the "QUALITY" Hotel or the Tyumen Hotel. It seems be known by both names. It's not cheap at $220 a night for a single but has a good lobby bar with a few nice looking regular WG's and a disco downstairs called Manhattan. I am also told that behind the hotel across the street is an Irish Pub and next door to that is another disco whose name I have forgotten.
Because my time was so short it was all business with little time for play. However, I was watching and noting the movement of the babes and I must say I was impressed. the guys I was with were "curious" and waved a few girls over to chat about he weather although none were making a move to "contract their services". And while they were not quite at Moscow standards, they were all well dressed, groomed and mannered. Good bodies, nice teeth and hair. I would have screwed anyone of about a dozen we say that night. Thee were some semi-pros that came around that they regular girls objected to. It was hilarious watching them try to pressure the young security guy to throw them out. As the security guy would escort them to the door, one of us would go up and rescue them telling the security dude that she was with us. This went on for about an hour when the regular girls came over and asked us what the fuck we thought were were doing? In hindsight I suppose it was all a bit sophomoric but were were toasted on Vodka and beer.
Clearly, we had upset the natural order of things and offended them. We made amends with drinks and I wished to heck I had not been with colleagues and was catching the 6:00 AM flight otherwise I would have sampled the local talents.
Anyhow - there it is. Tyumen in 25 hours and 20 minutes. Will I return - absolutely!!!!!!!
Oh!!! I almost forgot, these girls were asking $120 ST and $200 all night. Not cheap but a damn sight cheaper than Moscow and we were probably at the Tyumen equivalent of Night Flight.
I can just picture this, too funny!
[QUOTE=Jake993]It was hilarious watching them try to pressure the young security guy to throw them out. As the security guy would escort them to the door, one of us would go up and rescue them telling the security dude that she was with us. This went on for about an hour when the regular girls came over and asked us what the fuck we thought were were doing? In hindsight I suppose it was all a bit sophomoric but were were toasted on Vodka and beer.[/QUOTE]
I'll be spending a couple of days in Yekaterinburg next month, I hope I get something close to the talent you saw in Tyumen!
Some friends went there recently, all of them scored, i mean spent a whole night with a freebie met in clubs. Desesparation factor at its best! Not far from Moscow.
PPt,
Слава Бога! (praise God) It's good to see that [b]some[/b]one in Moscow is having a good time. And for free, no less.
Keep us updated.
Moscow Masters group, I have a request and questions to you all, perhaps you can help me out.
It's been nearly 5 years since my last venture to Moscow and I am sure things have changed a LOT!! Plus my absolute non use of my limited Russian in the meanwhile, plus my old friend California Traveler (CT) no longer being resident in Moscow, means I might as well consider myself a newbie.
I'll be coming to Moscow early part of July for a couple of weeks, when I hear the streets and the talent desert Moscow for their annual rest or return home from school or out to the dachas. Is this a lost cause?
I recall way back then, there was some guy, who hired himself out as a driver and wingman of sorts to hit the nightspots and even do some translating, is such a person still available? Or are any of you masters in town to possibly help out an former Moscow monger?
I assume that Moscow-Star (CT used to manage it himself, I hear Rick is the manager now) is still a good apartment rental outift, so that's what I'll probably use again.
And I hear that the places to haunt are now Coyote Ugly,Che, Aurora 911, and Bardo. And Hot Dog, formerly the BoarHouse/Chesterfields is to be avoided, along with NF and that the Safari Lounge is no longer in business.
Any advice from the Moscow Masters is much appreciated.
Hi. I am fascinated about Siberian towns, but Russia is too big to be visited!
My first Slavic woman (the best) is an Ukrainian with family origin in Naberezhnye Chelny. I met another cat's eyed woman, in Moscow, from Tomsk, and wow!
Kurenda, in your opinion, what is the best town where to find tall, slim, cat's eyed women?
And about Tyumen, why did German and Polish go there?
[QUOTE=Kurenda]Tyumen is Siberian city under category "near Siberia" close to Ural.
Passing Ural first comes Ekaterinburg, Tyumen, Omsk, Novosibirsk.
Tyumen has hot girls, lots of german blood from 18th century and Polish blood from 1944. Current Miss Russia is from Tyumen I think.
Girls in Tyumen don't fall for money since Tyumen has oil based economy and is in top 5 Russian areas in income.
One night in Tyumen is definitelly not enough![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ffmbud]Moscow Masters group, I have a request and questions to you all, perhaps you can help me out.
It's been nearly 5 years since my last venture to Moscow and I am sure things have changed a LOT!! Plus my absolute non use of my limited Russian in the meanwhile, plus my old friend California Traveler (CT) no longer being resident in Moscow, means I might as well consider myself a newbie.
I'll be coming to Moscow early part of July for a couple of weeks, when I hear the streets and the talent desert Moscow for their annual rest or return home from school or out to the dachas. Is this a lost cause?
I recall way back then, there was some guy, who hired himself out as a driver and wingman of sorts to hit the nightspots and even do some translating, is such a person still available? Or are any of you masters in town to possibly help out an former Moscow monger?
I assume that Moscow-Star (CT used to manage it himself, I hear Rick is the manager now) is still a good apartment rental outift, so that's what I'll probably use again.
And I hear that the places to haunt are now Coyote Ugly,Che, Aurora 911, and Bardo. And Hot Dog, formerly the BoarHouse/Chesterfields is to be avoided, along with NF and that the Safari Lounge is no longer in business.
Any advice from the Moscow Masters is much appreciated.[/QUOTE]Whats Bardo?
[QUOTE=Castonthis]Whats Bardo?[/QUOTE]
He means Bordo - the strip club in Kitai Gorod on that street that no one remembers the name of. :)
Yes, summers are slim pickings indeed - and not just in Moscow but in any major city in summer. Steamy, sweaty, stinky... Remember that the government cycles off people's hot water for 3 weeks at a time and some neglect to bathe at all during that period. The only good news is that the exodus means that you can use city streets to get from point A to point B again due to fewer cars. Oh, and the lack of clothing on the tanned deffki who just returned from Bali, Mavriki or Maldives.
God, how I wish we had a wiki here. Then we could have nice, easy-to-navigate and up-to-date sections for p4p and freebies and subsections for salons, tochki, strip clubs, mamba, regular clubs, etc...
I haven't been out for a while due to ridiculous amounts of work, but on my last visits, Coyote Ugly was hopping with young co-eds, and Parizhskaya Zhizn (where Doc and I ran into Passepartout by complete chance while quaffing our draft Guinnesses) was bouncing with desperate, drunk 30-somethings looking for some relief - any relief - from their dreary single-mom, secretarial existences. That was a little too much reality show for yours truly... but unfortunately Che was even worse (at least what I remember of it). I had to call in a girl to join us at 4am, as the talent there was so bad, some of the guys were starting to look do-able in comparison.
As for HD and NF being marked "to be avoided", it really depends on your MO. If hooker bars are your thing, there are regrettably no other options. But I do end up at HD more often than I like to admit, particularly after a disappointing night out on the town.
Guys -- any other new clubs worth talking about?
Noticed that Penthouse Club and its more legitimate business sibling Prime 21 Steakhouse seem to be operational. I'm a bit leary of any sex-oriented business on a major street (NF anyone?), but curious nonetheless. Anyone been there yet? What's the format, prices, level of service, etc?
[QUOTE=Pizdyets] Oh, and the lack of clothing on the tanned deffki who just returned from Bali, Mavriki or Maldives.[/QUOTE]
Gonna surely spend (after visiting a few places in Georgia with long-term georgian GF) some three weeks in Moscow from Aug 25 till Sep 13. Hopefully the city will be swarming with suntanned and horny dyevs returned from vacations!
Grimly negotiated with Korston Hotel and got a VERY good rate (long stay) at 4000 rub taxes and bkft included for a Comfort Room. That is indeed a GREAT rate for Moscow.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets] Parizhskaya Zhizn was bouncing with desperate, drunk 30-somethings looking for some relief - any relief - from their dreary single-mom, secretarial existences.[/QUOTE]
The best target !! Just thinking about such an heavenly place I'm drooling on the keyboard !! :)
[QUOTE=Prosal]
Grimly negotiated with Korston Hotel and got a VERY good rate (long stay) at 4000 rub taxes and bkft included for a Comfort Room. That is indeed a GREAT rate for Moscow.
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Damn! Good job, Prosal!
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The best target !! Just thinking about such an heavenly place I'm drooling on the keyboard !! :)[/QUOTE]
Yeah, as Doc and I were eying the crowd at ПЖ, we were both thinking... "now this isn't [b]our[/b] target demographic [meaning, 25 and under], but a lot of guys on ISG would probably be eating this up." Ppt seemed to be liking it too, as when we left for Che, he said that he and his buddies would stay and see what the drunken sluts would do next.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Damn! Good job, Prosal![/QUOTE]
BTW my initial choice in Moscow was Mamaison Pokrovka, which seems to be a delightful "boutique hotel". They seem also willing to considerably lower the prices, as they offered a One Bedroom Deluxe Suite (60 sq meters) for 7500 rub taxes included (unfortunately out of my budget) which is almost half the rake rate.
Do hotels in Russia finally understood that negotiation was part of the deal, or is it a consequence of the krisis ? (or a mix of both maybe)
[QUOTE=Prosal]BTW my initial choice in Moscow was Mamaison Pokrovka, which seems to be a delightful "boutique hotel". They seemed also eager to considerably lower the price, as they offered a One Bedroom Deluxe Suite (60 sq meters) for 7500 rub taxes included (unfortunatly out of my budget) which is almost half the rake rate.
Do hotels in Russia finally understood that negotiation was part of the deal, or is it a consequence of the krisis ? (or a mix of both maybe)[/QUOTE]
Yes, that is a nice hotel.
I think it's a mix of the crisis and the fact that more hotels are finally coming online. For example, the old "Gostinitsa Ukraina" just reopened after a couple years or more of remodelling. It's now the Radisson Royal, complete with its own river boats which cruise year-round. And then there's the new Renaissance on Leningradka. And there are a lot more in the works, so hopefully this is a trend which won't reverse when we eventually pull out of this economic slump.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Yeah, as Doc and I were eying the crowd at?, we were both thinking. "now this isn't [b]our[/b] target demographic [meaning, 25 and under], but a lot of guys on ISG would probably be eating this up. " Ppt seemed to be liking it too, as when we left for Che, he said that he and his buddies would stay and see what the drunken sluts would do next.[/QUOTE]Wait I got a question. Moscow during the summer is filled with 25 and under girls? Right? So that means if I go to Moscow in August there will still be young hot women there? The women you talked about returning from vacation all tanned are the old women and not the young women?
[QUOTE=Castonthis]Wait I got a question. Moscow during the summer is filled with 25 and under girls? Right? So that means if I go to Moscow in August there will still be young hot women there? The women you talked about returning from vacation all tanned are the old women and not the young women?[/QUOTE]
Of course not all the girls leave for vacation and dacha en masse. But like the streets, the clubs are visibly less crowded during the summer. Which makes it more likely for you to pass feis kontrol, but less likely to hook up once you're inside due to lack of talent.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Of course not all the girls leave for vacation and dacha en masse. But like the streets, the clubs are visibly less crowded during the summer.[/QUOTE]
Pizdyets,
That's an interesting comment.
Have you bothered making your way out to the likes of Pereslavl-Zalessky, for example, in summer to take advantage of the rising oestregen levels?
Ooops sorry; I mean mercury levels, of course. :)
[QUOTE=Gergiev]Have you bothered making your way out to the likes of Pereslavl-Zalessky, for example, in summer to take advantage of the rising oestregen levels?
Ooops sorry; I mean mercury levels, of course. :)[/QUOTE]
I have indeed been to most of the "Golden Ring" towns, including Pereslavl-Zalessky, and as I've written here before, the desperation factor and affordability is much better than in Moscow - even if they're located less than 2 hours outside. Passepartout confirmed this on a recent trip to Kaluga (about 3 hours SW of Moscow). That said, you'd better have some Russian speaking skills in this case, as English won't be as prevalent in the boonies.
But the summer doldrums will play equally across all cities including these satellites, and trying to hook up with girls [i]at dacha[/i] will prove difficult unless it's through personal contacts (for example, you're invited to a friend or colleague's dacha). It's not that the girls won't be interested... it's just frame of mind and lack of critical mass.
altenative option to Che; who is really worst and worst (last friday at 1.00 AM there was 70 or 80% of men...i had the feeling to be in western europe...).
Pancho Villa is located on bolchaya Yakimanka, and it is a big latino club. Mainly a restaurant (where as usual the mexican food is only acceptable after few beers and tekila) but with a band playing live and huge place to dance, always crowded.
Best parties are on thursday night when all single secretaries and PA wants some fun after work.
Go there between 21.00 and 22.00 if you don't want to miss the action. Rate of scoring always depend on your personal skills but are not bad due to the crowd and due to the latin music.
Other really good club are located near Rai (rolling stone, Mao) but face control is severe. If you want to try, go early. These clubs are more for the fun and being in a place with top models. Scoring there is highly difficult, unless you are really good looking or really rich, or both.
Pizdyets,
I actually do not share the enthusiasm expressed in the forum about Coyote Ugly. Been there two or three times and found the ratio male: female not very favourable and the most flirty girl was actually one of the waitress downstairs who seemed genuinely interested. Music veeeery cheesy.
I have tried a couple of times getting into Che (with female company) and was rejected but I am still curious about it after so much good PR here. I am still in search of a night club which I like 100%.
For me the best of Moscow are not clubs but cafes. The possibility of drinking and eating at almost any time of the day in so many places it is something pretty much unique. I might have tried more than 30 of them and I think they can be good hunting places when you have the balls to "invite yourself" to another table (at the risk of course of having to pick her tab without any returns!
Vigilantexx
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]He means Bordo. The strip club in Kitai Gorod on that street that no one remembers the name of.
Yes, summers are slim pickings indeed. And not just in Moscow but in any major city in summer. Steamy, sweaty, stinky. Remember that the government cycles off people's hot water for 3 weeks at a time and some neglect to bathe at all during that period. The only good news is that the exodus means that you can use city streets to get from point A to point B again due to fewer cars. Oh, and the lack of clothing on the tanned deffki who just returned from Bali, Mavriki or Maldives.
God, how I wish we had a wiki here. Then we could have nice, easy-to-navigate and up-to-date sections for p4p and freebies and subsections for salons, tochki, strip clubs, mamba, regular clubs, etc.
I haven't been out for a while due to ridiculous amounts of work, but on my last visits, Coyote Ugly was hopping with young co-eds, and Parizhskaya Zhizn (where Doc and I ran into Passepartout by complete chance while quaffing our draft Guinnesses) was bouncing with desperate, drunk 30-somethings looking for some relief. Any relief. From their dreary single-mom, secretarial existences. That was a little too much reality show for yours truly. But unfortunately Che was even worse (at least what I remember of it). I had to call in a girl to join us at 4am, as the talent there was so bad, some of the guys were starting to look do-able in comparison.
As for HD and NF being marked "to be avoided", it really depends on your MO. If hooker bars are your thing, there are regrettably no other options. But I do end up at HD more often than I like to admit, particularly after a disappointing night out on the town.
Guys. Any other new clubs worth talking about?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Passepartout] Rate of scoring always depend on your personal skills but are not bad due to the crowd and due to the latin music.[/QUOTE]
Just a question to you guys, residents or frequent visitors: how do you manage to deal with multiple GFs (I'm not talking about club sluts or fuck buddies, but real GFs) in Moscow ?
I mean, we all know that Russian women are at 1000% involved in their relationships when they really fancy and respect you .....and that they are the most fervent, emotionally generous and enthusiastic creatures on the planet. Not even talking of their need for long, passionate and no-holds barred sex ..and their avidity for romanticism and sweet talking. So how to juggle with more than two or three such women? ....it seems really difficult, even if you are yourself a manipulating "professional" monger. Those slavs girls are simply too intelligent and too genuinely passionate to be played with. IMHO.
I have two (emotionally very involved) GFs in Moscow and really don't know, when I will be in town, how I will be able to conciliate those relationships with mongering vacations.
And what about the new girls you score in clubs? ....some (many?) could be not "just" drunk party girls or one-night-stands, but also priceless potential GFs ..so this could just add to the problem !!!
Any advices ??
[QUOTE=Vigilantexx]For me the best of Moscow are not clubs but cafes. I might have tried more than 30 of them and I think they can be good hunting places[/QUOTE]
Would you mind mentionning your favorites ?
[QUOTE=Prosal] how do you manage your GFs (I'm not talking about club sluts or fuck buddies, but real GFs) in Moscow ?
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After only 5 years of mix business/pleasure trips to Russia, Kazakhstan and Ukraine, I am still a zillion years behind Doc and other long-time contributors to this forum, but I have managed to collect a nice number of GF and semi-GF during my trips, and I can try to give you my humble and personal view....
First of all, you are right and accurate in your description of a Russian GF, but the part that MAYBE you still don't fully understand is that, thanks to old motherland, we MEN are in charge.
YOU choose when, where and with whom you meet. Always with respect to those beautiful and intelligent girls, but I often use business dinners and gatherings with partners to have the perfect alibi...
"Yes, darling, I am free tonight... we will meet....", or simply... "no, it is impossible, I have a late dinner with partners/friends/clients and I really don't know when I will finish... probably VERY late....".
Russian girls are USED to this... Some of our russian counterparts treat them far worse than you would ever imagine... too many times preferring getting drunk with a couple of vodka bottles and 3 other old mates than their cute 22 y.o. girlfriend who is crazy to get some attention.
In general, simply don't go to the same places (bars, clubs, restaurants) with both girls, and NEVER make too much planning in advance ("yes, I will contact you later/tomorrow and I will tell you if we can meet or not"), and very promptly and very directly, discourage any attempt of staying in your flat/apartment "waiting for you to get home" (or one of my particular nightmares, to come to my apartment in the middle of the night with little or no clothes on under the coat, but without any PRIOR warning... (so, chances are that you are with some other girl(s).
My last suggestion is a little bit more complicated but VERY VERY convenient.... and for sure one of my favorites lately... Turn one of your GFs into the "dark side" of bisexuality (if she is not already!), and have HER finding new girls for you every other night... If you can get ANY of your two girls into that... (nothing SO impossible, believe me) simply drop the other girl and enjoy your time in Moscow!
I can't wait to be back! Due to this stupid crisis, I have already missed most of the late and warm spring! But the end of school is round the corner... one of my favorites weeks in Russia for hunting....
Regards,
SF
Thanks for your answer ; it contains usefull and valid considerations about Russian girls psyche.
Spanish Fly, et al, pardon a newbie here, but are you saying that the non-pro/GF scene in the area is viable for an average/normal western guy?
From the grumblings I'd gathered from RTFF, it seemed that in Russia and Ukraine there was zero possibility for a western guy to have any non-pro/GF action unless you were filthy rich, a fashion model, rock star or a good liar :) Is this an incorrect assumption?
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Noticed that Penthouse Club and its more legitimate business sibling Prime 21 Steakhouse seem to be operational. I'm a bit leary of any sex-oriented business on a major street (NF anyone?), but curious nonetheless. Anyone been there yet? What's the format, prices, level of service, etc?[/QUOTE]
Having heard a lot about it, decided to pay a visit to The Penthouse Club yesterday evening. General impression, pleasantly surprised.
Wednesdays is some sort of expat evening with free entrance, beers at half price plus other promotions. The normal entry is R,1,000.
Impressive entrance with an escalator that takes you up to the 2nd floor. Hostesses not so special but once inside you are surrounded by naked women. There is a large bar (barmaids topless) and many seating options around the dance floor. The format is similar to Aurora, girls dance, strip and then approach for lap dances. Lap dances are R.100(the spirit of Safari Lodges continues!) and private dances are available at R.1000
The choice of girls is impressive and even the waitresses strip. So much naked flesh in such a small area including 2 most sensuous black girls.
Did not imbibe yesterday but evidently on the ground floor there is a ‘hotel’ where you can rent rooms for R.3,000, girls cost R.7,000
Very much a P4P but classy and relaxed. Maybe we should arrange an ISG Moscow summit here in the next days? PM me if interested.
[QUOTE=Sharalumi]d arrange an ISG Moscow summit here in the next days? PM me if interested.[/QUOTE]
Too funny - Doc and I were there last night as well!
Lack of cover was a huge plus, and the prices in general were very reasonable. Format is very Aurora-llike, to the point that you'd think they had the same management (they don't). Felt the smoking-hot African girl up close. Bodies don't get much better than that, but somehow it just feels wrong in Moscow. :)
[QUOTE=Passepartout]altenative option to Che; who is really worst and worst (last friday at 1.00 AM there was 70 or 80% of men...i had the feeling to be in western europe...). [/QUOTE]
Agree with you 200%, Ppt. Doc and I were there last night, and it was horrible. Packed, but as you said, almost all guys. Had a few uglies hitting on us, but all the hot girls were with dates (didn't stop us from trying however :) )
We were flummoxed in general. Sun-Wed typically sucks in Moscow. We hit Penthouse at the beginning, then Che, then HotDog, then Propaganda, then Che again. There were hot girls in every place, but all were taken, or in the case of HD, too expensive. Doc asked the hottest girl there how much it'd be, and she wouldn't go lower than 5 bens. And we both guessed that it'd be ST for that price. That said, she was ridiculously hot. For LT, it'd be a fair price.
[QUOTE=Vigilantexx]Pizdyets,
I actually do not share the enthusiasm expressed in the forum about Coyote Ugly. Been there two or three times and found the ratio male: female not very favourable and the most flirty girl was actually one of the waitress downstairs who seemed genuinely interested. Music veeeery cheesy.
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Yes, the music is... well... if you like American retro, then it's your dream bar. Last visit, there were 2:1 girl to guys. I'm not shitting you. Maybe it's gone downhill since then.
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I have tried a couple of times getting into Che (with female company) and was rejected but I am still curious about it after so much good PR here. I am still in search of a night club which I like 100%.
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Me too. Che is not all that. The main thing about Che is that it's got people pretty much 7 days a week, 24 hours a day. I'll be in other bars, listening to the crickets chirp, and then go to Che and it'll be fucking packed. The problem these days is that it's mainly just guys there. We need to find another good pick-up joint, and soon.
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For me the best of Moscow are not clubs but cafes. The possibility of drinking and eating at almost any time of the day in so many places it is something pretty much unique. I might have tried more than 30 of them and I think they can be good hunting places when you have the balls to "invite yourself" to another table (at the risk of course of having to pick her tab without any returns!
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Funny enough, we were listening to a partner of mine last night saying the exact same thing. One of his neighbors is banging girls all the time which he picks up at the cafe on the ground floor of his apartment building. If you have the balls, I can believe it.
[QUOTE=Strangeman]Spanish Fly, et al, pardon a newbie here, but are you saying that the non-pro/GF scene in the area is viable for an average/normal western guy?
From the grumblings I'd gathered from RTFF, it seemed that in Russia and Ukraine there was zero possibility for a western guy to have any non-pro/GF action unless you were filthy rich, a fashion model, rock star or a good liar :) Is this an incorrect assumption?[/QUOTE]
100% incorrect. The freebie scene here is fantastic if you have any game at all.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]100% incorrect. The freebie scene here is fantastic if you have any game at all.[/QUOTE]What do you mean by game though? Like what do you say that is game to get a girl to have sex with you? I'am very inexperienced so I was just curious.
Pardon, Pizdyets, you forgot what is the typical man: if a man is not a good hunter (the game) in his own country, he can't be a good hunter (the game) in Russia in a very limited time, of course.
Therefore Russian-background or/and cool-style or/and filthy-rich are normal requirements in the present Russia, with no illusions.
The best solution is to find a good job in Russia and to live there with those fantastic women (as somebody has already written in the past).
Instead, to marry a Russian woman and take that to a Western country will become a problem because the Russian woman will behave at the same way of Western women in few years.
Moreover Moscow is one the most expensive city in the world. Therefore it is a good idea to look for in little-touristical towns, but how many Western men know Russian background to go in little-touristical towns?
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]100% incorrect. The freebie scene here is fantastic if you have any game at all.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Too funny - Doc and I were there last night as well!
Lack of cover was a huge plus, and the prices in general were very reasonable. Format is very Aurora-llike, to the point that you'd think they had the same management (they don't). Felt the smoking-hot African girl up close. Bodies don't get much better than that, but somehow it just feels wrong in Moscow. :)[/QUOTE]
hey mates, call me next time!!
[QUOTE=Prosal]Just a question to you guys, residents or frequent visitors: how do you manage to deal with multiple GFs (I'm not talking about club sluts or fuck buddies, but real GFs) in Moscow ?
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You are right, it's a good question.
I have 5 "partners" in Moscow (don't know if I can call them girlfriends or not). Of course this is impossible to get real GF invested into the relationship. This is why i try to have the following balance:
- 1 and only one real GF invested, and with her I manage to protect my private life easily (no keys; business excuses and so on)
- all the rests are "sport"partners who knows the kind of guy i am and i, in return, never ask questions too.
This is my advice to keep a nice sexual life: to get only 1 real GF and all the rests are girls who wants fun like you, and in Moscow that's alrady enough to be an happy man.
Tricks to protects privacy life:
- no keys
- native community "meetings"
- sport after work
- business meetings
that can free already 3 or 4 night during the week.
The week-end is a more difficult target. Hopefully she will have a mama to see in Iaroslaval or somewhere :-)
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Too funny - Doc and I were there last night as well!
Lack of cover was a huge plus, and the prices in general were very reasonable. Format is very Aurora-llike, to the point that you'd think they had the same management (they don't). Felt the smoking-hot African girl up close. Bodies don't get much better than that, but somehow it just feels wrong in Moscow. :)[/QUOTE] Last month I was in Moscow and had a "meeting" with a "friend" of mine who is a dancer at Aurora 911. During pillow talk, she told me about Penthouse Club and told me I should go sometime (I should mention that since I have started banging this girl I don't really feel compelled to see her at work so I don't go there anymore) and that she thought I would like it.
Anyhow, I asked "why" she thought I should go and visit the Penthouse Club and she told me that it was designed to cater to foreigners and I might feel more comfortable there as opposed to Aurora. Curious about her response I pursued the answer further and begged her to expand on what she meant. I could see that she was choosing her words carefully (partially because her English is at about the same level as my Russian) but she said that MOST (but not all) foreign guys who come into Aurora don't have a lot of money. She went on to say that most of the regular Russian guys who visit Aurora 911 will drop between $1,500 and $1,800 in a visit not including a trip to the "sex" room. It's not uncommon for a Russian to spend 150k rubles for a night of fun at Aurora and from time to time one of the regular oligarchs who visits will buy "days off" for girls if he likes them, thinks they look tired and need a rest. By contrast, the average foreigner will spend $350 plus any trips to the sex room.
She went on to say that it's why the hostess will normally seat foreigners at the bar instead of on a couch because they know we're not going to drop a whole lot of coin there and management does not want us taking up valuable couch space if we're not going to spend a lot of cash. The manager will send a few girls by the bar just for appearances sake but that's about it.
According to "Dancing Queen", it's why they started Penthouse Club, located it on Arbat Street and set those affordable prices - to keep us the heck out of Aurora 911!!!!!! I am not sure if she's feeding me a line of bullshit but if it's true then it sure explains a few things.
BTW - according to her, they have settled their "immigration problems", found the right government sponsor and are happily back up to full operating capacity. As far as she's concerned, the "crisis in Moscow is officially over".
Hi guys and senior members,
My friend told me that you can get vietnamese girls for sex in russia moscow. So do any of you have any leads or address that I can try them? Hungry for asian babes in Russia.
Anybody been there ?
Just looking at the site my wallet shudders.
[url]http://www.km19.ru/[/url]
where to find vietnamese babes for sex in moscow? heard it is operating. do you know where?
Anyone know where in Moscow I can find vietnamese girls for sex? Please give me the address and who to contact. Thanks a lot mate.
Jake,
thanks a lot for the report: very informative. I see that we both had the same kind of friend, and this is why I do not go there too often.
Prosal,
19 is the official competitor of Aurora, many reports here (i have the member card which gives free entrance and skidki for drinks). Main difference is that every 5 minutes a girl will show up for lap dance so be prepared for that. imho that's what you are looking for in a strip club, aren't you?
In comparison, aurora can be boring sometimes with 20 minutes or more without lap dance (probably the explanation is given by Jack below)
Sex is more expensive in 19, negotiate! but it's a good club
[QUOTE=Castonthis]What do you mean by game though? Like what do you say that is game to get a girl to have sex with you? I'am very inexperienced so I was just curious.[/QUOTE]
Yes, "Game" is the set of skills necessary to pick up women: how to approach, how to get her interested in you, how to get into her pants, and so on. Of course it also helps to be reasonably good-looking, well dressed/groomed and above all - confident.
Can someone post the address of the Penthouse Club on Arbat Street? Also, what is the best way to get there from the Marriott Royal Aurora Hotel? Can you take the subway? Also what time does the Club open? Is there any afternoon action or just evenigs? Thank you for any information you can provide.
Canyon
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]I have indeed been to most of the "Golden Ring" towns, including Pereslavl-Zalessky, and as I've written here before, the desperation factor and affordability is much better than in Moscow - even if they're located less than 2 hours outside. Passepartout confirmed this on a recent trip to Kaluga (about 3 hours SW of Moscow). That said, you'd better have some Russian speaking skills in this case, as English won't be as prevalent in the boonies.
[/QUOTE]
Pizdyets,
Yes, this I undertand alright.
Fumbled my way through Vladimir and Suzdal a while back.
A fairly hectic 72 hour freebie-fest which kicked off on the [i]elektrichka[/i] of all places.
(Even allowing for limited Russian skills).
The one that surprised me was Suzdal.
Many visitors during the day but not too many linger after dark when the locals come out to play.
(And I do mean dark, due of a deficit of street lighting!)
Limited amount of venues so everyone eventually ends up at Landsia disco bar in the wee hours.
Here be many possibilities :)
Its 21 Novy Arbat which is the Lotte Plaza end of Arbat. Best to take a taxi from the Marriott. It opens at 21:00 and closes at 06:00
We are looking at getting a group together next Wednesday, join us if you are in town
[QUOTE=Canyon]Can someone post the address of the Penthouse Club on Arbat Street? Also, what is the best way to get there from the Marriott Royal Aurora Hotel? Can you take the subway? Also what time does the Club open? Is there any afternoon action or just evenigs? Thank you for any information you can provide.
Canyon[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Passepartout]
Prosal,
19 is the official competitor of Aurora, many reports here (i have the member card which gives free entrance and skidki for drinks). Main difference is that every 5 minutes a girl will show up for lap dance so be prepared for that. imho that's what you are looking for in a strip club, aren't you?[/QUOTE]
Right !! .... I love strip bars, yet, as I said in another thread, I guess I am spoiled by Tashkent, where in strip bars (or better say "in the closest thing to a strip bar you can get in Tashkent"), the lap dancing costs 3000 UZS (us$ 1.5) and the lady’s drinks go for the same rate as the customer’s, i.e a longneck beer is 4000 UZS and a vodka shot 3000 UZS (silly champagne cocktails have not arrived yet in Uzbekistan). In all, a heavy night (10pm-6am) at FM strip bar (a strip bar and a drinking hole under one roof, where most girls are absolutely stunning) with multiple lap dancings/neck massages, multiple drinks for self and girls plus if necessary some hookas and chocolate boxes for girls when they come to rest and chat at my table, costs me some 300 000 UZS (us$ 150)!!
A oligarch-style night out in Tashkent has financially not the same consequences than in Moscow !! :o
[QUOTE=Passepartout]Tricks to protects privacy life:
- no keys
- native community "meetings"
- sport after work
- business meetings [/QUOTE]
+1. The number one thing I personally say to a girl if I plan to go somewhere, or when I meet her, is that I first come to visit an "old friend who works at the embassy" (or "at the Alliance Francaise", that has some 1100 branches in the world) or this kind of BS. This effectively allows not only to find excuses for evenings and nights out without her, but also brush aside the suspicion of sex-tourism.
"success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts."
- winston churchill
it all started innocently enough. no, it wasn't a dark and stormy night - it was actually quite pleasant, temps near 20c with the crescent moon hanging optimistically in the midnight sky. but i was still in the office, pushing to finish the last portion of a briefing the boss was expecting on his desk the following morning. a couple of my colleagues were working nearby, finishing up a separate project which had required them to pull an all-nighter the previous night.
"woohoo! we're finally done!" ruslan exclaimed. "i'm gonna celebrate by getting myself a black bee-atch tonight! dima - are you up for driving?"
dima was looking weary after so many hours of work and so few hours of sleep.
"sure... why not? where are we going?"
speaking to me, ruslan said "you gonna join, man? we're going to that wh0re bar on kurskaya. i need myself a black bee-atch!"
deadpan, i responded "sorry, was already there today."
"yeah, right! come on, fucker! let's go!"
i was telling the truth. doc and i had been on a rampage the night prior, and hotdog was one of the many clubs we'd hit.
"seriously, my boss is gonna mess me up if i don't finish this tonight. tell you what, if i can finish this in the next couple hours, i'll call and maybe join you guys for a beer."
"deal!"
within 5 minutes, they were gone and i went back to my work, with a newfound motivation to get it finished asap.
about a half hour later, ruslan was ringing my mobile.
on the other end, it sounded ominously quiet - diametrically opposite to the hotdog that i know. suspecting what was going on, i asked "so, how is it there?"
"they didn't let us in."
"what the fuck? faced?"
"yup, the asshole just looked at us and said 'you will not pass'. i asked him to explain why, and he said it's not his duty to explain, just that we'd been faced. it was like something out of a kafka novel."
i was indeed surprised. i'd never had any issues getting into hd before, but then again i could never be mistaken for a university student - not for the past 10 years at least. ruslan and dima, on the other hand, are in their late 20s/early 30s but look substantially younger. also, i have the unmistakable accent of a western foreigner who's living in russia (and therefore expected to be loaded with cash).
"man, that sucks. sorry. what's your plan now?"
"dunno - what would you suggest?"
"there's only 2 wh0re bars in moscow, so your only other option is nightflight, and as i recall they require you to be at least 30 to enter."
ruslan knew this already, as he'd joined me at a partner dinner at nf and encountered resistance for even entering the restaurant with his boyish face.
"ah, man... what else can you think of?"
a light went off in my head.
"well, you could always hit a tochka. not sure about finding a black girl, but i guarantee it'll be a new experience for you."
"okay, cool! so you know where this place is? you can direct us?"
"um, sure. i'll be finished in about 30 minutes, so pick me up and we'll go from there."
ruslan was positively gleeful. "okay, we'll see you soon!"
by the time i met them, it was around 1am, and ruslan asked "so, where is this club located?"
"oh, we're not going to 'tochka' the club... we're going to pick up girls off the streets of suburban moscow."
"whoa! no way!"
dima just smiled. as a sextalk.ru veteran, he was well educated in p4p, to say the least. ruslan, on the other hand, was apprehensive at first.
"is it safe? isn't that mafia? what if they try to rob us?"
between dima and myself, we were able to assuage his fears, and soon we were all in a happy "wh0re hunting" mood. making the requisite stops at the atm and corner produkty to ensure our bodies were adequately hydrated, we kicked off our odyssey in search of street meat. yaroslavskoye shosse (better known locally as "yaroslavka") was our first destination. located on the northern part of moscow, this major artery is notorious for having tons of "tochki".
the basic idea is to cruise the street and look for a single girl standing by the road. normal girls do not stand by themselves on such roads, especially in the middle of the night, so the chance of a false positive identification is essentially nil. just past mkad, we passed a red zhiguli and a girl standing outside of it. dima pulled over and slowly backed up to the car sitting on the shoulder. the girl peered inside at the three of us, and then asked what we were looking for.
"two girls, to take with us."
"please follow the car."
at this point, dima was becoming apprehensive.
"i've been to tochkas lots of times, and i've never been instructed to follow anyone. be on your guard."
our anxiety levels were rising in direct proportion to the increasing darkness of our environs and the narrowness of the road on which we were being led.
after 5 minutes or so, we arrived at an abandoned factory parking lot fringed with thick foliage and cars parked here and there with no apparent pattern.
we were about to u-turn where in our headlights we recognized the unmistakable outline of a woman's legs in a miniskirt.
"okay... looks like it's legit", dima said, as our tension level dropped a single notch.
not knowing where to go, we waited for someone to approach. within a minute or two, a mamochka appeared out of the thick bushes which were bordering the parking lot. she scrutinized the 3 of us for a few seconds.
"what are you looking for? 1 girl for the 3 of you?" in a tone of voice which hinted "you perverts!"
dima answered, "no, i'm just the driver, we're looking for 2 girls."
"okay, we have girls for 6, 8, 10 and 12 [thousand rubles]."
ruslan answered, "let's see the best you have - 10 and 12."
mamochka disappeared, but we could hear her shouting. about 5 minutes later, the girls started to appear and line up in front of our headlights.
we were chatting nervously, windows up, dima keeping the engine on, and the car in gear just in case we had to make a quick break for it. 10 girls lined up in all. not sure if it were coincidence or not, but the best looking ones were on the left, and the ugliest on the right. on a scale from 1 to 10, they ranged from a single 8, down to a 4, with an average around 6. the girl on the far right, a 30-something chubby brunette with fat tits pouring out of her 2-sizes-too-small liftchik, was angrily cursing at the mamochka.
"fuck! why do we have to stand here so long?"
"shut up and get back in line."
"fuck you, wh0re!"
"shut up and speak nicely, girl! without mat!" mat being the strongest form of profanity used in russian.
chunky girl wasn't going to shut up easily and started to mock the mamochka "without mat! without mat! without mat!"
no doubt the girl knew she was out of her league with that lineup and the frustration was sublimating as vulgarity.
"man, #10 is a class act! we should take her!" dima exclaimed.
we laughed our asses off.
i encouraged ruslan to take the leftmost girl - a stylishly-dressed dirty blonde who appeared to have a pretty face and curvy body. we all agreed she was the pick of the litter.
"but what about you, man? which one do you want?"
girl #3 also looked pretty good: young blonde with a pageboy hairstyle and a cute enough face. but short, and nearly flat chested.
i debated.
"nah, none of these really do it for me. i mean, i could if they were my only choices, but none really inspires me."
"okay, then, let's roll."
"you sure, dude? i mean, #1 is pretty nice."
"nah, let's roll."
before departing, ruslan asked the mamochka, "do you have any other girls?"
mamochka said that they had one more girl available who was putting on some makeup at the moment. we'd just have to wait another minute. all this time, the 10 are just standing there in our headlights, nervously shifting. as the last girl approached, we saw that she was a 6 at best. we thanked the mamochka, and as we started to leave, she warned us that they were the only tochka working that night on yaroslavka.
yeah, right.
"well, thanks for the info. do svidaniya."
and we headed off into the night again. we travelled north another 10 minutes, and sure enough, mamochka was speaking truthfully... no lookouts, no nothing.
"this is really weird," dima said.
"usually, there'd be a girl every few hundred meters."
we u-turned and headed back into moscow. thankfully, we spied another lookout within a few minutes. she was visibly nervous, looking around while speaking to us.
"all the girls are 6500 and up - are you fine with that?"
"sure", ruslan replied.
"okay, go down this road until it ends, then take a left and wait."
it was dark. even darker than the first tochka. other customers were there, both in and out of their cars, but there were no girls to be seen anywhere.
dima was quite nervous at this point, and made the call to bail. as our driver, and much more experienced in these things than ourselves, we supported him 100%.
"so, looks like yaroslavka is dead tonight due to recent raids," dima said as we safely made it back to the major road.
"no worries, boys... there are plenty of options - there's kutuzovsky prospect still, garden ring and if we still don't find anything, we can go to lyublino - there are always several tochkas there. always."
we stopped to refuel both the car and ourselves. optimistically, i picked up a pack of orbit and popped a couple in my mouth as we headed to mozhaika (mozhaiskoye shosse, the continuation of kutuzovsky prospect and the major artery running through west moscow). usually, there are several tochkas on mozhaika, at the bus stops and in the parking lots of the establishments there, such as soviet-era movie theater "minsk".
but that night... zero.
we continued to garden ring, where dima was more bullish about us finding something.
"usually, there are lookouts, or the girls themselves at the head of the little sidestreets."
"you won't get the same selection, usually there's just a few girls hanging out in cars, but the quality can be quite good at times."
but... nothing.
so, we moved onto lyublino, in south east moscow. at this point, it was getting late, past 3am, and we'd been on the road for over two hours.
needless to say, we were regretting that we'd passed over the few wh0res we'd actually seen.
dima tried to cheer us up, "don't worry, guys, there are always girls here. but... it's usually sex on location."
"so, you just do it in your car?"
"yeah, pretty much. just park someplace and get it on. sometimes the girls have an apartment nearby, but not often."
our spirits lifted as we spotted a relative cute and young girl standing by a bus stop. dima pulled over and she was very nervously looking at us.
"i won't go with you," was her curt reply, no doubt thinking we wanted to gangbang her.
"so, only sex here?"
"yes."
as dima sped off, ruslan sarcastically exclaimed "guys! that was an actual wh0re! we saw a wh0re! she was standing right next to me! i mean, i was so close to her that i could have actually touched her or something!"
laughter all around. we were about to turn around again when we saw a car with hazards on. it was dark, but there was clearly a body bending over and talking to the occupant(s). bingo!
"dude!" i said pointing to the right in the distance, "there's another one!"
dima was already in the u-turn lane waiting for the light to turn green, but was adamant to get over there before some other punter was going to steal our chance. once the light turned green, he accelerated like jeff gordon.
as we closed on our prey, it became evident that the "girl" in question bore an uncanny resemblance to alla pugacheva. and i'm not a talking about alla in her prime - the quintessential sultry-voiced darling of the soviet union - but as the elderly, obese media wh0re who can't accept the aging process and insists on dressing decades younger than she should.
though "only" in her 40s (a good bit younger than the real alla), this particular street walker was similarly obese, sporting frizzy bleached hair and an extremely un-flattering short-short cocktail dress that only accentuated the fact that each of her thighs had a circumference similar to my waist.
"good god!" we screeched in unison.
"go go go!!!" i insisted as dima complied and floored the accelerator.
being as it's moscow, it took us another 10 minutes before we could legally make a u-turn. we'd seen a couple girls on the other side and it was looking like our last chance for "love" that night. as with any market featuring something with low supply - there were 3 other cars looking for the same thing as us. we waited our turn for the girls to come over and talk with us. when they finally made it over, we saw that the better looking one was a 5 at best, and the other one was simply un-fuckable. i imagined that they worked days as ticket clerks for the moscow metro, and constantly reminded themselves that each guy they sucked off behind the dumpster put them one step closer to that knock-off, rhinestone-studded d&g purse they'd been eying at rynok for ages.
they said "1000 for bj, another 500 for fs".
"here?"
"yes."
"are you the only girls here, or are there others?"
"just us. take it or leave it."
the answer there was unambiguous, as dima again floored it. at that point, we were all getting tired. it was 3:30 and the sun, though still under the horizon, was beginning to lighten the sky.
"well", dima slowly said, "there *is* one surefire location, out past mkad on shosse entusiastov."
"shosse entusiastov!" i replied brightly, "now that is what i'm talking about!"
for those of you unfamiliar with this particular road, it is one of the most depressing avenues in moscow, dare i say... the world. for whatever reason, the east sides of cities are rarely the best, and moscow is no exception in this regard. shosse entusiastov is lined with a seemingly endess array of deserted factories and soviet-era warehouses. the sparse street lighting, due to low residential density, only lends to the feeling of desperation.
"if i were a street wh0re, that's exactly where i'd want to work!" i said. "let's do it!"
well, by this point you can probably guess what happened. lots of trucks and taxis, but not a single girl on the side of the road. we continued about 10 minutes past mkad before giving up. at this point, it was 4am and all of us were beat.
i nodded off, and by the time i woke up, dima had already driven me to my home.
"well, guys, that was a blast!" as we shook hands and said our goodbyes.
funny enough, we had epicly failed in our objective but ended up having an even more memorable time in the end.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]"Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts."
- Winston Churchill
.[/QUOTE] Molodyets Pizdyets!!!. Great yarn. Too bad no happy ending.
[QUOTE=Jake993]Molodyets Pizdyets!!!. Great yarn. Too bad no happy ending.[/QUOTE]
Agree, but it's so much more interesting than "picked up some insanely hot girls and shagged them rotten until dawn." There will be other days, and there will be other girls. Maybe tonight even. :)
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Agree, but it's so much more interesting than "picked up some insanely hot girls and shagged them rotten until dawn." There will be other days, and there will be other girls. Maybe tonight even. :)[/QUOTE]
I posted it to reports of distinction. This one of the best reports I have read here on the ISG. In fact I would go so far as to say that it is another league than the standard report. It actually works as simply excellent writing and takes the reader along on an adventure. As a writer myself I have to say that you have a talent for telling the story.
I would love to read more of this style of report here.
Thanks
AM
[QUOTE=Angus Magee]As a writer myself I have to say that you have a talent for telling the story.
I would love to read more of this style of report here.
[/QUOTE]
(blush)
Thanks, AM. Glad you enjoyed reading it as much as I did writing it up! I have to admit that Skank inspired me. Though he doesn't contribute as much as he used to, his at-times acerbic, at-times sentimental style is something I can only aspire to achieve.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets](blush)
Thanks, AM. Glad you enjoyed reading it as much as I did writing it up! I have to admit that Skank inspired me. Though he doesn't contribute as much as he used to, his at-times acerbic, at-times sentimental style is something I can only aspire to achieve.[/QUOTE]
Well we all have our writer heros. I have also enjoyed the Doctors tales and am a fan also of Bez' sometimes short, acerbic but pithy and colorful posts-always complete with pictures.
As for novelists-my favorite has to be TC Boyle. His recent novel about the lives and loves of the famous American architect, Frank Lloyd Wright, is a work of pure genius in my opinion.
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/01/books/review/Scott-t.html?_r=1[/url]
Great stuff Pizdyets!
Sometimes the best adventures have no happy end, such are the glories of life!
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Sometimes the best adventures have no happy end, such are the glories of life![/QUOTE]
And this, unless I am very much mistaken is a very Russian view of life in itself.
For me the flavor of the narrative is much more important than "liking" the ending.
Any place in Tverskaya is good and usually packed with beauties.
Shokolatnitsas are great cause often are busy and table sharing is not rude...plus wallet damage can not be as bad as in a cocktail bar!
If you already dating try Kvartira 44. There is even a piano which I am sure will mellow the coldest of the hearts.
Vigilantexx
[QUOTE=Prosal]Would you mind mentionning your favorites ?[/QUOTE]
I have to admit I was, am and always will be a softy with women. I just manage a GF outside Moscow and one here with the ocassional excuses for my hunting nights out. I simply can not make an arragement based on pure sexual exchange. Either ends up in drama or the end of it. Oh well
Also no matter how hard I try to avoid it girls ALWAYS end up leaving.little by little- items in the flat as a subtle indication of "land possesion" (eg toothpaste, make up cottoms, underwear etc.). Not for that faint hearted when you need to remove that evidence for an unexpected visit!
By the way, I do envy the stamina of some of you guys in the forum. I am on the wrong side of my 30's but sporty and can live on little sleep, however I can not pull many drunken nights during the week or my boss would kick me out of Moscow. My liver also must resemble a sewer. Hence my relative monogamy.
Vigilantexx
[QUOTE=Passepartout]You are right, it's a good question.
I have 5 "partners" in Moscow (don't know if I can call them girlfriends or not). Of course this is impossible to get real GF invested into the relationship. This is why i try to have the following balance:
- 1 and only one real GF invested, and with her I manage to protect my private life easily (no keys; business excuses and so on)
- all the rests are "sport"partners who knows the kind of guy i am and i, in return, never ask questions too.
This is my advice to keep a nice sexual life: to get only 1 real GF and all the rests are girls who wants fun like you, and in Moscow that's alrady enough to be an happy man.
Tricks to protects privacy life:
- no keys
- native community "meetings"
- sport after work
- business meetings
that can free already 3 or 4 night during the week.
The week-end is a more difficult target. Hopefully she will have a mama to see in Iaroslaval or somewhere :-)[/QUOTE]
since some of you seem to enjoy epic tales, the following is an account of my second trip to moscow back in 2005. i may have even posted it but if i did i can't find it. regardless, it still bring a smile to my face whenever i think about it.
reading pizdyet's tale reminded me of it and i thought you guy might enjoy it.
keep in mind that the infoermation is dated and so are the prices and the location of safari lodge as it has closed down and moved since then.
enjoy
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this was my 2nd trip to moscow and it was a bust as far as sexual encounters go. too much work, too much client entertaining and too much vodka put me in a bad position to capitalize on anything meaningful. but i did come close one night when a small group of us tried to what we came to call “the trifecta” which started with dinner at night flight, followed by fondling strippers at the safari lodge on pokrovka followed by a late night visit to boar house for “take out”.
i had flown directly to moscow from the states the day before and the jet lag was kicking my ass. it was about 4:00 pm and i was just nodding off for a few winks in my hotel room (marriott grand) when my phone rang. it was my boss and he had just arrived from the uk. he informed me that he had just checked in at the hotel and that my presence was required in his room for cocktails. it was past 7:00 pm in the uk and as far as he was concerned, the bar was open. what could i do? when duty calls…….
after catching up over drinks my boss revealed that this was actually his first time to moscow and in fact his first trip to russia. since this was my second trip he was expecting me to be an expert already and to ensure that he would be sufficiently entertained. luckily, my expat friend al had lived in moscow for several years and knew the lay of the land. i called al and explained my situation asking if he would not mind joining us for an “evening of fun” playing tour guide. he happily agreed and that’s when the idea of the trifecta was hatched. we agreed to meet at night flight at 9:30 pm for dinner and would go on from there. working hard on the bottle of scotch for a few more hours ensured that we would be well lubricated upon our arrival to night flight. we agreed to meet up with ildar, our colleague from azerbaijan at 9:00 pm in the bar at the marriott so at 8:45 pm i stopped by my room to splash a little cold water on my face and grab my coat.
after a quick beer with ildar, we set off on foot to night flight. it was a cool evening in march but by no means cold so it was really quite pleasant. boss’s head was snapping to and fro looking at the girls parading down tverskaya. while it wasn’t summer time when he could really enjoy the sights, every second girl walking down tverskaya was a runway model dressed impeccably and prancing down the street with that detached far-away look in their eyes. when we arrived at nf we checked coats and went right up stairs. al was already there and had selected a table near the top of the stairs. for anyone who has dined at night flight, you will know that there is a bit of a “floor show” presentation. some of the early birds in the lounge downstairs will come upstairs to use the ladies room as an excuse to check out who is eating dinner in the restaurant. for those who eat dinner in the restaurant upstairs, the $40 cover charge to the lounge downstairs is waived so there is certainly a method to this dinner strategy. and if you eat dinner upstairs why would not visit the lounge before heading off.
while ordering dinner, i was presented with the wine list and tried to select a wine that was not going to break the budget when boss suggested that since we were in russia, we really should be drinking vodka. there was a little voice somewhere in the back of my head advising me against ordering vodka but it was quickly ignored and i ordered a nice chilled bottle of russian standard. unfortunately, one bottle was not enough and we topped off the dinner with another half liter of vodka followed by the obligatory after dinner drink down in the lounge. we were happily chatting up girls when al decided it was time to move on to the safari lodge. we grabbed cab on the street and headed off.
the safari lodge is what every strip club should be. it is absolutely surreal. housed in the basement of a shashlik place on pokrovka, the safari lodge is literally a pit of decadence. after you check you coat you descend the stairs to the club. immediately to one side is a typical bar and to the left is an open area with a banquette couch that follows the wall. there’s a small stage in front where dancers “warm up” before they join the “rodizio”. anyone who has ever been to a brazilian bbq knows that eating rodizo style involved servers with long skewers of meat who make the rounds. well, it’s the same thing at sl – minus the skewers. make no mistake – this is not a strip club; it’s a lap dancing club. you take your seat on the banquette and a topless girl plops herself down on your lap and grinds away for the duration of the song. and unlike other parts of the world, manual participation is encouraged. when the song is over, you pay her r100 and (this is the best part) she takes a step to her right and plops herself down on the lap of the guy to your left while the next pretty little topless thing takes her turn with you. etcetera, etcetera, etcetera, so on and so forth……………. it’s a beautiful thing.
of course there is a private dance room which is a complete waste of time imho because you get the same dance in private. the only difference is that the girl takes her bottoms off as well. but because there’s no sex offered i just don’t understand the attraction of the private dance. r1,000 for 3 songs in private vs r300 for 3 songs out with everyone else? i just don’t get it. oh well, to each his own. you would think that at r100 a dance you could stay there forever but you would be surprised at how quickly you can burn though a couple hundred bucks. and for those who are ready for something a little more interesting there is the dacha dance. the sl keeps an apartment or two reserved for “special activities” complete with bed shower and i think one even has a jacuzzi. on this particular night none in our group opted for the dd. we were all happy getting our fill of vodka soaked bliss with seeming endless handfuls of young flesh. tall ones, short ones, blonde nordic pixies and voluptuous tatars. what a smorgasbord of sensual delight. somewhere along the line i think we switched back to drinking scotch and boss kept bringing me drinks that he must have paid for with his visa card. he had just arrived in moscow he kept on asking for r100 notes; i must have made at least two trips to the bankomat (atm) strategically situated on the street in front of the club top get more cash. clever idea.
it was getting pretty late and after much coaxing, we made our way up the stairs and onto the street to hit the boar house. as usual, there were several cabs out front and ildar (who actually grew up in azerbaijan) started negotiating with the driver of a nice audi. al immediately objected to the choices saying the audi driver was going to “rip us off” for the short drive to the bh and started negotiating with the driver of a broken down lada. ildar said it would cost us $20 for the 10 minute trip to the bh and al proudly proclaimed that it would cost us only $5 for the lada. against all better judgment, four of us got into the lada. it turned out to be a very bad move because we were half way to the board house we got pulled over by the local police. thinking back i know why we got pulled over. while the three “white guys” were crammed into the back seat, ildar (who was born in azerbaijan) was sitting up front. so here is this broken down lada driving down sadovya ring crammed full with 4 passengers with a tajik driver and the stereotypical guy from the caucasus sitting in the passenger seat. hell, i would have pulled us over.
when the police saw us go by, he must have thought that we were a group of illegals from one of the “stans” (uzbekistan, kazakhstan, turkmenistan, or perhaps armenia). russians from moscow and saint petersburg are a little bit racist and they don’t particularly like people from the former soviet republics so when they saw us they thought they were going to be able to shake us down for money hoping that our paper work wasn’t in order. so when they stopped is and hauled us out of the car they started demanding to see our passports. btw – everyone in russia is required to carry a passport which is really a generic term for identification. if the cops ask for it, you have to show it. no big deal. another thing you need to know is that you must have your passport registered with the authorities within 48 hours of arriving (i think). normally you give your passport to the hotel desk and they take care of it in a few hours.
what boss forgot to tell me was that he had neglected to collect his passport from the front desk of the marriott before we left for the evening. oh shit. here we were at 4:00 am drunk out of our minds and one of us whit no passport. we tried to explain this to the pimply faced cop (who looked to be about 17) but he seemed unimpressed and told us would have to go down to the police station and pay a fine. i don’t know what came over me but i got so pissed off that i pulled out my cell phone, pretended to call the us embassy (in moscow) and told ildar to ask the cop which police station he was taking us to so that the duty officer from the embassy could send someone down to sort this out. now the cop started yelling, telling me to shut up and put my phone away. of course, i was not having any of this and became even more insistent to take us to the police station.
pretty soon, the police supervisor stepped out of the police van. to this point he kept his cool but now he was getting pissed off and told everyone to calm down. he pulled the young cop off to the side and had a few words with him. i don’t know what he actually said but he must not have wanted to create an international incident. if he couldn’t get cash out of us on the spot, he wasn’t interested in taking us down to the station. he sent the young cop back to the van and told all to get back in the taxi. he pulled ildar aside and pull him close for a conversation. while ildar grew up in baku, he went to boarding school in moscow and knows his way around despite his not being over vocal about the stupid mistakes we had made that night. he explained the situation to the police supervisor who was not impressed and proceeded to rip a strip off of ildar. my russian is not great now and it was even poorer back then but the gist of the conversation went like this, “i would expect this sort of crap from those foreign idiots, but not you who should know better than to drive around in a piece of shit car like this. get back in the car and get back to the hotel this instant and don’t even think about going anywhere else until that stupid brit gets his papers in order”. so naturally, we thanked him, offered him $50 for his trouble and got back in the cab. of course we told the driver to keep heading for the boar house!!!
the whole affair with the cop must have been too much for me because i barely remember walking into the bh and i certainly don’t remember leaving either. what i do remember is waking up the next morning at the hotel with splitting headache and the sense that i was not alone in my bed. oh – my – god. what the hell happened? i had not done anything like this since college. mongering is one thing, but drinking yourself into a fog in moscow is something else indeed. when my eyes focused again i could see that i was in bed with an african girl and my heart stopped. don’t get me wrong, i’m not a racist but because moscow has a serious problem with sdts and hiv and there is more than an insignificant number of skanky h00kers from uganda running around moscow. i looked around the room and noticed that it was light. what time was it? oh shit, my head hurt.
i scanned the floor beside the bed and saw my clothes piled in a heap. i peered under the covers and was relieved to discover that i still had my underwear on. whew! i reached down and picked up my pants and hoping to find my passport and my wallet. those were the last things i needed to have missing. i searched all the pockets and came up empty. fuck! what the hell happened? wow, my head hurt.
i reached for my cell phone to call al so i could start of make sense of what happened and realized that i didn’t have that either. damn, this was getting from bad to worse. i slipped out of bed and though maybe my passport, wallet and cell phone were sitting on the desk beside my laptop which i was sure i left plugged in only to discover my laptop was gone too. what the fuck happed last night. cripes, my head hurt.
i had written al’s office number on the hotel memo pad by the phone the night before and gave him a quick call to see if he could offer some explanations. i called al and when he answered the phone he burst into laughter and asked me how “my little friend” was. according to al, when we arrived at the bh we stood at the far end of the bar down near the working girls from uganda. apparently, she just invited herself over and decided to be my chaperone for the evening while i dealt with my jet lag and vodka. when it was time to leave she just decided that she was coming home with me and that was that.
i told him to forget about the girl and asked him to help me figure out what had happened to my passport, wallet and cell phone. “have you tried your room safe”, he asked. “room safe – good idea” and asked him to told on a minute while i punched the number into the keypad. “holy shit”, i said out loud when i discovered that everything including my laptop was in the safe and went back to the phone. “how in the hell did i have the presence of mind to put that shit in the safe”, i asked al. he just laughed and told me to “have a nice morning” and hung up.
relieved that i had found my valuables, i crawled slowly back into bed to figure out what i was going to do next. as i said earlier, i am not racist but black girls are just not “my thing”. but damn, she had a fine body i discovered as i peered under the covers to discover that she was wearing lacy bra and panties. if my head splitting hang over was not progressing so splendidly, i would have thought seriously about “tearing off a piece” of this fine looking ass. but i literally was bleeding to death through the eyes and just realized that i had no idea what might have happened to the my boss. crap.
i began to still a little more in the hopes that my little guest would wake up. soon, she began to stir and slowly he eyes opened. a soft glance at first followed by a quizzical look and then recognition and rage. it was like setting off a bomb. immediately, this girl started yelling at me and giving me so much shit that i wished the cops would have taken me to jail the night before. clearly this gal came home with me hoping for a date but ended up babysitting a drunk. according to my little “gandy girl” i was so drunk and sleepy that she had to hold me up at the bar for hours. “why did you have to drink so much? where the hell do you think you are? this is not america. this is moscow. what the hell kind of friends do you have to let you do this?” on and on came the accusation and insults. the louder she got the worse my head pounded. i was in hell.
“what time is it?”, she demanded. “i can’t stay here all day; i must go”. “good idea”, i thought. “get the hell out of here and leave me in peace to die”. she stormed around the room collecting her things and disappeared into the bathroom. i used the opportunity to call the boss and discovered that he had suffered pretty much the same fate and was still in bed with a hot little blond named irina. nice. i was surprised to learn that we actually shared a cab home and that i was speaking russian to the cab driver. unbelievable.
she stormed out of the bathroom and demanded that i pay her. “pay you”? i asked. “why should i pay you? we clearly didn’t have sex”. clearly that was not the response she was looking for. salvo number two – boom, she ripped another strip off me for how drunk i was and how hard she worked holding me up at the bar and how i was sooooo drunk. blah, blah, blah, blah…… man, if i wanted to get my ass chewed like that i sure didn’t need to travel 6,000 miles to have it done. “didn’t have sex”, she spat at me. “didn’t have sex? what i had to do last night was worse than sex!!”
i sheepishly met up with ildar and the boss a few hours later for a late lunch. we sat quietly as i ate a salad hoping that the pounding would soon stop. drinking the pepsi was starting to have a healing effect on my head and the fog in my eyes slowly began to lift. ildar, looked across the table at me and shook his head in disgust. “stupid american”, he said. "you come all this way from texas to moscow to fuck a black girl".
Pizdyets,
thanks very much for your report about one of the best thing Moscow has to offer !
During the times of Ca_T there were here often reports about tochka, then....almost nothing and I never understood why....
I think tochka experience is something unique in the world, something that it belongs to Moscow and that it makes Moscow from a monger's point of view even more interesting than the tons of privates apartments.
But even the other cities in Russia have.... many taxi drivers that will call a friend that will bring by car 3 or 4 girls that will line up and stand in front of you. I was able to do it even in the small city-village Uzhorod in UA, that's what make all FSU so....great for me !
And if you start early in the night, often you end with a diamond at iron price....
I never got 1 single problem hunting tochka, despite once I was stopped by militsia and had to bribe them, but this is part of the fun and surely not a problem despite that the price go a bit higher...
Another great thing is that usually mongers do not use tochka, they are afraid and I have no idea why....so the prices are more or less not spoiled by foreigners and the girls not really "naive", obviously, but milion times better than the hardcore spoiled hookers at hot dog or night flight so common between the typical Moscow monger.
Last good thing.... according to my experience is that tochka is all night, often she sleeps with you and if she feels good with you, she leave about noon or early afternoon cause she has to show up at tochka-point at the evening.
Ok let's go to see the movie Tochka one more time waiting for my next time in Moscow :)
Pizdyets,
Interesting story and a great piece of writing! However, you did erode some of the confidence I had in you Moscow guys as to your abiity to go exactly where you're supposed to go and get exactly what you want. One thing that did surprise me, though, was the prices quoted in the story. The figures you gave went from 6,000 to 12,000 rubles for girls outside the center city which is $200 to $400 US. That sounds like a lot for the location and for what was offered. What am I missing?
Nevertheless, congratulations on a great story!
[QUOTE=Canyon]The figures you gave went from 6,000 to 12,000 rubles for girls outside the center city which is $200 to $400 US. That sounds like a lot for the location and for what was offered. What am I missing?
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It's all about time. Tochka girls are committed to staying with you until 8am or 9am (you agree in advance). HotDog and NightFlight girls, however.... well, I've had some stay until I kicked them out, but others are putting their boots back on after one pop. Most are looking to leave at 6am - before traffic gets bad and/or their mother wakes up and realizes what they're doing for a living. You won't get that from a tochka girl. She's essentially your property until dawn. I wouldn't call it white slavery, but like foie gras, it's best to just enjoy it and not think about the process too much.
The other plus about tochkas is the freshness. Every time I go to HD, I see many of the same haggard faces. Honestly, I have no idea how some of these women make any money. And the new blood is scarce, and snatched up early in the evening. Tochkas on the other hand, have a steady turnaround, and the girls are often quite young (meaning - 18-22).
[QUOTE=Angus Magee]As for novelists-my favorite has to be TC Boyle. His recent novel about the lives and loves of the famous American architect, Frank Lloyd Wright, is a work of pure genius in my opinion.
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/01/books/review/Scott-t.html?_r=1[/url][/QUOTE]
Very interesting, and I'll definitely pick it up next time I'm back in the states. Though I've long been an admirer of Frank Lloyd Wright, I didn't know anything about his personal life - just his works. It's ironic that many of the historical figures I respect the most were hopeless womanizers: John Von Neumann, Richard Feynman and Bill Clinton to name a few. Maybe it's why I don't live too differently myself. :)
Inspired by my write-up, Dima (driver from the tochka report) cooked this up to commemorate our night out. I'm afraid much of the detail will be lost, but hope you can appreciate it anyway!
Hollywood - I'm waiting for your call. ;)
[QUOTE=Pizdyets](Penthouse Club) Lack of cover was a huge plus, and the prices in general were very reasonable. Format is very Aurora-llike, to the point that you'd think they had the same management (they don't).[/QUOTE]
Penthouse club is run by Highland Group LLC which also runs the two Aurora 911 clubs in Moscow and the other in Ekaterinburg. This explains why the format is similar. I met one of their directors at Aurora 911, he was a yank but he was OK. He offered quite an insight into Moscow.
[QUOTE=Jake993]
Last month I was in Moscow and had a "meeting" with a "friend" of mine who is a dancer at Aurora 911. … According to "Dancing Queen", it's why they started Penthouse Club, located it on Arbat Street and set those affordable prices - to keep us the heck out of Aurora 911!!!!!! I am not sure if she's feeding me a line of bullshit but if it's true then it sure explains a few things.[/QUOTE]
All people have to pay extra to use couches at Aurora 911, I think he said 3000 r . The club is more than happy with expat customers. I think one of the best places to meet the girls is at the bar. All girls have to keep flowing through the club. The Penthouse club was opened by Penthouse Magazine who instigated the deal with Holland LLC to run it for them. The big difference is the area its in, Arbat Street, theres nothing else similar in that area. Cheers All Nickc
[QUOTE=Nickc]Penthouse club is run by Highland Group LLC which also runs the two Aurora 911 clubs in Moscow and the other in Ekaterinburg. This explains why the format is similar. I met one of their directors at Aurora 911, he was a yank but he was OK. He offered quite an insight into Moscow.
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Thanks for the clarification, Nick. Apparently I was mislead by my partner who claimed they were under different management.
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The big difference is the area its in, Arbat Street, theres nothing else similar in that area.[/QUOTE]
Well, Dejavu (former Spearmint Rhino) is less than 5 mins from Penthouse by foot. They do have a different format (only private dances), but it's a decent club as well.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Thanks for the clarification, Nick. Apparently I was mislead by my partner who claimed they were under different management.
[/QUOTE]That would be me I think.
Sorry. :)
I was told that Aurora and Penthouse were different management, as the girl I was "dating" from Aurora went to Penthouse and she said she couldn't go back because of this.
But she was a flake, so no doubt she was wrong aboout this.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank] ......as the girl I was "dating" from Aurora went to Penthouse and she said she couldn't go back because of this. But she was a flake, so no doubt she was wrong aboout this.....[/QUOTE] And here I though I was the only ISG guy dating an A911 girl ;) . As I am sure you and at least one other ISG board member can attest to, these girls (while toned and skilled to be sure) live in a crazy world. Talk about your quintessential night people.
But some of the stories these girls can tell are absolutely spell binding. Raids, cat fights in the dressing room, theft, cavity searches by management, beatings, drugs, Oligarchs, etc are the REAL grit of Moscow. I swear that that listening to these stories is almost as much fun as the shaggin.
One Wednesday morning about 5:30 AM I got a call from Dancing Queen. She had just off work from A911 and wanted to talk. I was sure she said "fuck" so I said, "sure, come on over". It was only a matter of 10 minutes as I was in an apartment on Tverskaya. She immediately launched into a crazy tale of one of the dancers who was stealing the other girls lip gloss. To cut a long story short, what I though was going to be morning sex turned in to three hours of listening to "chick stories" about office politics. I thought I had heard it ALL when it came to workplace rivalry but these dancers "take it up a notch". Un-fucking-believable.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]
It all started innocently enough, on a dark and stormy night with the crescent moon hanging optimistically in the midnight sky.
"Is Mafia to rob us?"
"What are you looking for, you perverts!"
"Fuck! "
"Shut up."
"Fuck YOU, wh0re!"
Chunky girl started to mock the mamochka.
I imagined that they worked days as ticket clerks for the Moscow metro, and constantly reminded themselves that each guy they sucked off behind the dumpster put them one step closer to that knock-off, rhinestone-studded D&G purse they'd been eying at rynok for ages.
"Take it or leave it."
The most depressing avenue lined with an endless array of deserted factories and empty warehouses, the sparse street lighting lending to the feeling of desperation.
In the end, we got nothing.
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If I ever doubted, that you were as fucked up as the hardest core monger can be, all doubt has abated now.
Any fool can write how studly they are making some tart moan, bla bla bla.
Rarely can one bring to life with such zeal, the real world of the true life of paying a monger's dues, at the lowest levels, in the funkiest places, with nefarious characters, on some dark lonely road that leads to nowhere.
This is your finest hour, Pizzy.
P.
мо-ло-дец о-гур-ец!
Excellent tale of late night fear-and-loathing in Москва, thanks for taking the time to write it all down and share with us.
Getting faced at HD! Who would have thought...
I'm sure names have been changed to protect the innocent, but are Dima and Ruslan both Russian? Moscovites? Just curious.
Reading your report, it seems to me I can remember a time (not [i]too[/i] many years ago) when tochkas took dollars, and the top tier might be 250-300: for that price you would have a selection of some fairly babelicious dyeffki. A midnight tochka run would probably have yielded many tochkas with plenty of choice for all 3 of you, and, while the male comraderie of hunting dyeffki can be fun, everyone would wake up with a smile on their face and a girl in their bed (who [i]does not[/i] look like Alla Pugachova).
So, I can't help but wonder... when it comes to Секс в Большом Городе (Sex in the City), are the heady days of mongering in Moscow at an end?. Is Moscow now only for those with; the game, the money, the wardrobe or the language skills to differentiate themselves from the rest of us mere mortals?
Anyone know where is this area code in russia? 964!
The girl that I have found out gave me this no for area code 964 so that when I come to russia I can look up for her.
I may be traveling to Russia later on in the year on a business trip and need some advice. I have heard about Nightflight, 911, and Safari. So my plan is to head to nightflight, and 911 for a couple of nights and then perhaps head to over to Germany.
My question is this are there better places in Moscow to frequent when looking for pros that are easily accessible? I was also thinking about visiting Prague but would traveling to Germany to visit the FKK's be a better option?
[QUOTE=Gfechaser]My question is this are there better places in Moscow to frequent when looking for pros that are easily accessible? I was also thinking about visiting Prague but would traveling to Germany to visit the FKK's be a better option?[/QUOTE]I suppose you would be flying, cause Moscow to Berlin or Praha is 2000 Km, you should better not go through Belarus but Latvia, Lithuania. If you are driving
Consider also that it's not all motorways, so I think you'll be flying By car you would need 2 days.
In Germany there's nothing you won't find in Praha, you have the FKKs that don't exist in Praha plus all the rest But Praha is really smaller than Berlin, for example, you can navigate the city very easy and just follow the flow and jump from one club to another, privates, showpark. Very enjoyable. If you decide Berlin, do your homework before hitting, cause the city is huge (at least according to my standards).
Justmy2cents
[QUOTE=Gfechaser]I may be traveling to Russia later on in the year on a business trip and need some advice. I have heard about Nightflight, 911, and Safari. So my plan is to head to nightflight, and 911 for a couple of nights and then perhaps head to over to Germany.
My question is this are there better places in Moscow to frequent when looking for pros that are easily accessible? I was also thinking about visiting Prague but would traveling to Germany to visit the FKK's be a better option?[/QUOTE]
I want you to try these sites.
[url]http://www.cheapescort.ru/[/url]
[url]http://www.cheapescort.ru/[/url]
There are very beutiful girls.
However, I don't know whether they are real photoes.
Does anyone know?
I want you to try these sites.
[url]http://www.sweet-girls.ru/[/url]
[url]http://www.cheapescort.ru/[/url]
There are many beautiful girls.
But, I don't know whether they are true or fake.
Does ayone know?
My very humble opinion (although based on extensive worldwide research for the past 15 years) is that Moscow is not too different compared to any major capital in terms of accessibility for the top end of the female stock (the top model types). There are lots of local guys with plenty of cash who easily can beat you in the same way that an investment banker would do in London or a rich daddy's boy in Munich. Let's also bear in mind many beauties already fleed the country to either marry or work as escorts.
What I believe Moscow has a lot to offer is an abundant amount of well educated, eager to please, intelligent, very decent looking girls on their mid twenties who need to compete for a relatively reduced amount a local guys. You often find on the street two or even three girls walking with her female friend and her boyfriend because they have no one decent to go out with and are not willing to lower their standards (yet). I have discussed this many times with girls and they confess it is indeed sadly (for them) the case. These girls do not necessarily would shag the first night, many of them would not even go out often to night clubs, but they are all over of the place unlike in our western countries.
I also believe behavioural differences are slowly but surely beeing reduced with their western counterparts (less so in the provices since they have less opportunity to travel abroad and meet foreigners) but even assuming the breed born today will socially mutate for thew worst, there is still a considerable "uncontaminated" pool left.
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]P.
мо-ло-дец о-гур-ец!
Excellent tale of late night fear-and-loathing in Москва, thanks for taking the time to write it all down and share with us.
Getting faced at HD! Who would have thought...
I'm sure names have been changed to protect the innocent, but are Dima and Ruslan both Russian? Moscovites? Just curious.
Reading your report, it seems to me I can remember a time (not [i]too[/i] many years ago) when tochkas took dollars, and the top tier might be 250-300: for that price you would have a selection of some fairly babelicious dyeffki. A midnight tochka run would probably have yielded many tochkas with plenty of choice for all 3 of you, and, while the male comraderie of hunting dyeffki can be fun, everyone would wake up with a smile on their face and a girl in their bed (who [i]does not[/i] look like Alla Pugachova).
So, I can't help but wonder... when it comes to Секс в Большом Городе (Sex in the City), are the heady days of mongering in Moscow at an end?. Is Moscow now only for those with; the game, the money, the wardrobe or the language skills to differentiate themselves from the rest of us mere mortals?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Pizdyets] Sun-Wed typically sucks in Moscow.[/QUOTE]
Pizdyets, by "typically sucks", you mean that on Sund-Wed, there is no regular bar a bit busy worth the visit to hear good music (preferably russian pop/rock or latin), get drunk, and possibly score?
[QUOTE=Kino Kino]
There are very beutiful girls.
However, I don't know whether they are real photoes.
Does anyone know?[/QUOTE]I don't know, what do you think Kino? Since this is obviously an advertisement for [b]your[/b] website.
[QUOTE=Vigilantemoscow]I also believe behavioural differences are slowly but surely beeing reduced with their western counterparts (less so in the provices since they have less opportunity to travel abroad and meet foreigners) but even assuming the breed born today will socially mutate for thew worst, there is still a considerable "uncontaminated" pool left.[/QUOTE]Understood.
I was thinking more about P4P and tochkas in particular. It just seems that 3, 4, 5 years ago, it was much easier, and cheaper, to find what you needed.
[QUOTE=Prosal]Pizdyets, by "typically sucks", you mean that on Sund-Wed, there is no regular bar a bit busy worth the visit to hear good music (preferably russian pop/rock or latin), get drunk, and possibly score?[/QUOTE]
I mean it doesn't fit my taste. There are clubs with crowds on those days (notably Che and Papa's) but the male:female ratio sucks, and maybe the environment and/or service as well. In general, I want a club with:
a) decent prices (cover and drinks)
b) decent male to decent female ratio (which can be quite different from raw male:female ratio, as you're evaluating how much real competition you'll have in the club for the good looking girls there)
c) decent service (from friendly face control to punctual wait staff)
d) decent music (I'm flexible and enjoy good house, hiphop and retro if the mood fits, but appreciate a talented DJ who can judge the collective mood of the crowd and compensate)
By those criteria, there's virtually nothing worth visiting Sun-Weds. Sad... but true. If someone has a counter-example, by all means let me know and I'll meet you there this week!
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Getting faced at HD! Who would have thought...
I'm sure names have been changed to protect the innocent, but are Dima and Ruslan both Russian? Moscovites? Just curious.
[/QUOTE]
Both long-term Moscovites, though not native (ie born here).
[QUOTE]
So, I can't help but wonder... when it comes to Секс в Большом Городе (Sex in the City), are the heady days of mongering in Moscow at an end?. Is Moscow now only for those with; the game, the money, the wardrobe or the language skills to differentiate themselves from the rest of us mere mortals?[/QUOTE]
Hard for me to judge, since I have all of those. ;)
Need a control group -- any volunteers? Doc and I will take you on!
[QUOTE=Sex Wanderer]Anyone know where is this area code in russia? 964!
The girl that I have found out gave me this no for area code 964 so that when I come to russia I can look up for her.[/QUOTE]
964 is Beeline, the second largest mobile carrier after MTS. PM me her full number and I'll verify it for you. ;)
Guys,
Moscovitch on this forum asked for new places to pick up freebies.
I went to an amazing club where i guess all gentlemen of this forum, more than 30's would like to have in their to-do list: Petrovitch
I am not sure about this address, I have to found out, BUT:
- quite a big club crowded only on Saturdays night
- SSSR ambiance, all retro, typically russian
- restaurant of course, with only the typical russian food
- ration male - female is excellent, i consider the competition as weak
- target: desesperate 30's women who wants to get (good) sex
not a place to catch top models, but still we are in russia and there was so many doable girls (i was with my girlfriend that night).
Ambiance is crazy with typical old russian pop songs that makes the crowd becomes crazy, some latin, some rock and roll, some slows... all that you need to catch what you want...
The only minus: this club doesn't accept people without member card. It meqns 2 things:
- you may have problem to enter, even if they are more or less expat friendly (russians without member card has not chance to get in)
- there is a lot of regular, so this is a place to go once a month...as it is good only on saturday then it is more than enough
I have found also an excellent pick up place for after work party on thursday but want to confirm first the excellent night I had, maybe i was just lucky.
Useful phraseology to approach Russian prostitutes (even if that is written on a paper):
привет. ваши услуги? ваши цены? ваши телефонные номера?
Hi. Your services? Your prices? Your phone numbers?
есть миньетa с глотанием и анальный?
There are swallow blowjobs and anal sex?
я работаю с миньетa с глотанием и анальный только.
I work with swallow blowjobs and anal sex only.
[QUOTE=Passepartout]I have found also an excellent pick up place for after work party on thursday but want to confirm first the excellent night I had, maybe i was just lucky.[/QUOTE]I had a chance to visit Petrovich a couple of years ago, maybe 3, mid-week. A Muscovite friend of mine turned me on to it and I remember it being just as you described. Funny how the icons of the old Soviet Union have now become chic.
It is a private club, but they don't get serious about facing people until later in the evening, maybe 21:00, something like that. So, our strategy was to enter early at 19:00 for dinner and then just linger on into the evening. It seems you can stay as long as you like once you are in. Nobody threw us out anyway.
[url]http://www.club-petrovich.ru/eng/[/url]
[QUOTE=Passepartout]
I went to an amazing club where i guess all gentlemen of this forum, more than 30's would like to have in their to-do list: Petrovitch
[/QUOTE] Yes, excellent place for all those reasons. Was there several times last fall with expat friends who are members. Place REALLY gets hopping Saturday night and you are correct the male / female ratio is most favorable. Not many runway models but lots and lots of "girls next door".
I call it "wedding atmosphere". I saw lots of tables that had 3 guys and 7 girls. It was like three couples got a table and each couple invited a single girl along. Lots of single girls just itching to dance. But it's not a pick up bar atmosphere. Very homey and friendly and not too dark.
I strongly recommend that anyone who has friends that are members give it a try on the weekend. Loads of fun, good prices, good food, cute chicks.
Located near Chisty Prudy - short walk from Tema Bar.
Further to my earlier report suggesting an ISG member Moscow summit may I suggest this Wednesday evening in 21 Prime/Penthouse.
There is a special offer for ISG members in the steakhouse for 10% discount on food and drink. Entrance to Penthouse is free and there is a 50% discount on beer until midnight.
I will reserve an ISG table and would be pleased to meet many of you from 20:00
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]I had a chance to visit Petrovich a couple of years ago, maybe 3, mid-week. A Muscovite friend of mine turned me on to it and I remember it being just as you described. Funny how the icons of the old Soviet Union have now become chic.
It is a private club, but they don't get serious about facing people until later in the evening, maybe 21:00, something like that. So, our strategy was to enter early at 19:00 for dinner and then just linger on into the evening. It seems you can stay as long as you like once you are in. Nobody threw us out anyway.
[url]http://www.club-petrovich.ru/eng/[/url][/QUOTE]
Been told (GF has lunch there every single day) that the restaurant was cheap and good.
[QUOTE=Prosal]Been told (GF has lunch there every single day) that the restaurant was cheap and good.[/QUOTE] Some of the best kolbassa I ever tasted ;)
[QUOTE=Prosal]Been told (GF has lunch there every single day) that the restaurant was cheap and good.[/QUOTE]Define cheap...
Not sure I would call it cheap, at least not for dinner. But the food was good, mainly Russian ethnic items on the menu, which was tol'ko po Russkii (only in Russian).
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Define cheap...Not sure I would call it cheap, at least not for dinner.[/QUOTE]
I guess there is a moderately priced "business lunch", cheaper than the dinner menu.
[QUOTE=Prosal]I guess there is a moderately priced "business lunch", cheaper than the dinner menu.[/QUOTE]Yes, the ubiquitous бизнес ленч. I imagine even Petrovich has one. You can probably even have a little vodichiki to wash down the shashlik. Ahhh, Moscow...
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]964 is Beeline, the second largest mobile carrier after MTS. PM me her full number and I'll verify it for you. ;)[/QUOTE]Thanks Pizdyets,
But I found out later that this girl is a vietnamese in moscow. So where can I look for her and her group of asian babes in moscow? Its so big there but she told me that theres alot of Chinese in that area. So is there a China town in moscow?
Do you know where is it and how to go there? Also how much should I pay for a shot?
Anyone knows how to go to Cherovski market? I have 2 vietnamese babes waiting for me but I can't speak vietnamese, Chinese nor Russian. Do the taxi drivers know the way?
Also how much should I bring for a 1hr sex with asian there?
Any recommendations from the Masters of Moscow if one were to "hire" a local driver/guide for the evening and the suggested compensation for one. Obviously I would want one that is trustworthy and keep me out of "jail". I'll be in Moscow July 10-15. Perhaps one of the Masters will be about during that time to join me. Let me know ...thanks
[quote=sex wanderer]
but i found out later that this girl is a vietnamese in moscow. so where can i look for her and her group of asian babes in moscow? its so big there but she told me that theres alot of chinese in that area. so is there a china town in moscow?
do you know where is it and how to go there? also how much should i pay for a shot?[/quote]
sorry, wanderer... i only fuck chinese girls in china. have no experience with them here.
btw, in china, russian pros usually go for 3x to 4x the going rate for a local chinese girl. certainly it couldn't be reversed here, but maybe that's my own personal bias showing through. if you're into the asian eyes, nothing imo is better than bashkir or chuvash girls, as they have asian faces but long-legged and often buxom russian bodies. a match made in heaven courtesy of our favorite [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126][CodeWord126][/url] and pillager... genghis khan.
Had another most enjoyable evening on Novy Arbat. The steaks in the restaurant have improved and are on par with Torro Grill.
Wednesday night is free entrance and beers at half price, served by a smiling, topless waitress.
Some very attractive girls and some scary ones as well. Had a number of table dances from locals and 2 very attractive Kazaks. Decided for black and had a lot of fun with "Princess", great chick to talk to and small, tight body.
She did try to sell private dances at R.1000 and then offered 1 hour in a room. The system is very sophisticated for a great price. You pay the girl R.10,000, she then gives you back 3,000(!) for the room. She tells you the number and you proceed downstairs to the "hotel" reception to pay. The room I had was very smart, good shower and big bed.
Princess arrived in street clothes, promptly got naked and invited me for a shower. (Very nice when your hot water is switched off at home)
Great girl, good sex. She loved DATY and any position that I requested. My first time with a black girl and could not resist coming on her tits. You see it much better!
Have become quite a regular here, I like the atmosphere and meet a lot of colleagues.
[quote=sex wanderer]anyone knows how to go to cherovski market? i have 2 vietnamese babes waiting for me but i can't speak vietnamese, chinese nor russian. do the taxi drivers know the way?
also how much should i bring for a 1hr sex with asian there?[/quote]"cherovski market"?... are you sure that's exactly it's name?
how did you find those viet babes? i'd greatly appreciate if you could share ways to get to know working (or just willing lol) viet or any other asian gals in moscow!
[quote=pizdyets]if you're into the asian eyes, nothing imo is better than bashkir or chuvash girls, as they have asian faces but long-legged and often buxom russian bodies. a match made in heaven courtesy of our favorite [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126][CodeWord126][/url] and pillager... genghis khan.[/quote]actually bashkir and chuvash gals are not exactly asian.
but what is true russia's got really really stunning asian girls. those descending from mongols like kalmyk gals for example, they can be so damn hot!
if anyone has any info on asian babes in moscow to share please kindly post here
and just in case, i'm fluent in russian, so i could help in that matter.
[QUOTE=Latexian2][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Russian_subdivisions_GRP_per_capita.svg[/url]
Note that is GDP per capita and not average salary, so take that with a grain of salt. Still, I think it highly correlates to salary. Basically it's what you expect, Moscow and Petersburg along with oil-rich Eastern Siberia have the highest GDP per capita. The Volga region does well also. But the "black earth" belt is pretty far down the totem pole, and has lots of medium sized cities which are perfect for the monger. Big enough to be interesting during down time and to be able to date multiple girls with no issues, but small enough to be cheap so you can be the big fish.[/QUOTE]
Just bumped into Latexian's great analysis.
What about the cost of life in the "poorer" areas ? ....is it significantly lower than in wealthy "oil & gas" regions ?
[QUOTE=Alxxx]"Cherovski market"?... are you sure that's exactly it's name?
How did you find those Viet babes? I'd greatly appreciate if you could share ways to get to know working (or just willing lol) Viet or any other Asian gals in Moscow![/quote]Hi Alxxx,
Came across a friend that told me when I am in london. They gave me the hp. Heard that there are about 10 to 15 new vietnamese girls from 18 to 25years old. But next few weeks I am going to russia for tour so might as well meet up with their new friends. They stay in a house and when boss call they just go downstairs to meet their customers for an hour shot or overnight for 3 shots at 5000rub. But strange thing is that only Chinese are their main customers but sometimes europeans come around for a few fuck.
But she can't speak proper english nor she able to tell me where is her location so it will be hard for me to hunt down those asian babes for fuck.
Got from the web about this asian market that has vietnamese and Chinese community so I just post up to see if anyone in russia able to help me as I am a wanderer looking for asian sex in europe. Hmm they are light and sure fuckable for loud screammmm.
Are you a Russian in moscow that knows the way around? Do you know existence of this vietnamese joint in Moscow region?
Errr guys if I arrive in russia, does any of this "master taxi drivers" able to bring me to the vietnamese joint so that I can enjoy my usual asian sex in europe for a good cause?.
How to you spell "vietnamese girls for sex" in russia so that I can ask the driver to bring me there?
My travel agent could not get me into my regular hotel in Moscow so they booked me into a large hotel in the 'green district' on Kosygina street. This depressed me a bit as it's some way from the clubs and bars in the centre. I arrived about 11pm and was really nackered but dropped my case in my room and wandered down to the bar to see what went on there.
Things were looking up - there was a a strip club right in the lobby ([url]www.911club.ru[/url]) and what looked like several WGs around the bar area. I bought a drink and got chatting to a couple of the girls, who spoke English, - one blond, fit and about 30, the other slightly older and not so attractive. The going rate was between Rb 5000 and Rb 6000 ($160-$190) for an hour.
The following evening the weather was foul so I did not fancy going into town. I got to the bar around 9pm and there was only one obvious WG there - a very attractive red head. She signalled me to join her, which I did. "Do you speak English", I asked. "Niet". I tried to progress the relationship in my limited Russian, but she really was not interested so after about 5 minutes I got up and left her. (Being rejected by a WG is VERY bad for the ego). I thought again about going out, so walked along the lobby to a very small bar near the front entrance.
There was only one customer there - a well-dressed, gorgeous little blond girl in her early 20s. I was not sure if she was a WG, but she indicated I could join her. "Do you speak English", I asked. "Niet" - oh no! Not again! But when the barman left us she pulled a pen out of her bag and wrote US200 on a napkin. I wrote Rb4000, she shook her head, so I wrote Rb5000. Again she shook her head. So I wrote Rb5000 with an arrow to a smilley face and +1000 and another arrow to a grim face with +0. Alexandria giggled and agreed.
We got to my room and I gave her Rb 5000 and left another 1000 on the table. We stripped each other and got on the bed, it was clear from the start that she was going to get the extra 1000. She had a perfect figure, size B breasts, which love and a tight pussy which I love even more. She was dynamite in bed and I came really quickly, which is unusual for me. She could not do a massage as her nails were too long so we took a shower together then got back on the bed. I never come twice with a girl, but she started on me again and I was hard within a minute so fucked her again. This time she fingered her pussy and if she did not come then, she is a very good actress. Her pussy tightened around me and I did come for a second time.
We then had a few minutes to cuddle before the hour was up. Yes, she got the extra 1000 and it was well worth it!
[QUOTE=Sex Wanderer]Errr guys if I arrive in russia, does any of this "master taxi drivers" able to bring me to the vietnamese joint so that I can enjoy my usual asian sex in europe for a good cause?.
How to you spell "vietnamese girls for sex" in russia so that I can ask the driver to bring me there?[/QUOTEHi GUYS,
I relocated myself by some weeks in Malaga.
Currently I have visitated the industrila area of Guadalahorce near the S'candalo and I have fucked 2 african girls.
Somebody as me like them?
Il you like them(not only with cash $$$ but also free) contact me with a private message.
Unfortunately I don't have the car and for this reason I can move myself only where there are bus, metro, ecc.
As last thing, somebody know where is possible to find them(Black girls!)during their normal life(barrio, shops, ]"vietnamese girls for sex"
The literal translation would be "???? "-) or simply "??? " (prostitutes from Viet Nam).
I dunno if taxi drivers would know that. Probably. Who knows, since I never tried it here (my yellow fever story is short yet LOL)
I heard there are viet gals in Moscow, but they tend to serve Viet guys, or guys introduced by Viet guys (usual story with Viets isn't it?))
[QUOTE=Sex Wanderer]Hi Alxxx,
Came across a friend that told me when I am in london. They gave me the hp.
Do you know existence of this vietnamese joint in Moscow region?[/QUOTE]oh, I wish I did! If you find out please let know!
BTW, sorry for a dumb question, what is hp in "They gave me the hp"?
Did your friend give any other hint what's going on and where?
And what about "Cherovski market" you mentioned in your previous post?
Hm, I still can't get what market it is actually.
There used to be Cherkizovsky market (sounds almost like Cherovsky, huh?)) with lots of foreign traders (whatever they were trading.) including Viets, so that might've been one of the places to get Viet gals (the market was really really huge, like a city in a city), but it got shut down a while ago. Some Viets moved to other markets.
Hm, maybe it would make sence to hit on of those markets, grab some Viet guy and ask him straight where he gets laid? LOL.)
[QUOTE=Dave451]they booked me into a large hotel in the 'green district' on Kosygina street. This depressed me a bit as it's some way from the clubs and bars in the centre.[/QUOTE]If you have to be stuck in Moscow, I suppose you could do worse than the Korston. As you noticed, it's way out of the mainstream. But then again, with its own strip club and WG's in the lobby and bar(s) it's not really necessary to go out.
Just for future reference: if you could speak a little Russian and were able to get out and explore a little bit, that same 6,000 руб. would have bought you 2 cute blondinkas. Whether you come twice with each of them is up to you. :)
I heard there are viet gals in Moscow, but they tend to serve Viet guys, or guys introduced by Viet guys (usual story with Viets isn't it?))
Oh, I wish I did! If you find out please let know!
BTW, sorry for a dumb question, what is hp in "They gave me the hp"?
Did your friend give any other hint what's going on and where?
And what about "Cherovski market" you mentioned in your previous post?
Hm, I still can't get what market it is actually.
There used to be Cherkizovsky market (sounds almost like Cherovsky, huh?)) with lots of foreign traders (whatever they were trading.) including Viets, so that might've been one of the places to get Viet gals (the market was really really huge, like a city in a city), but it got shut down a while ago. Some Viets moved to other markets.
Hm, maybe it would make sence to hit on of those markets, grab some Viet guy and ask him straight where he gets laid? LOL.)[/QUOTE]
Well hp stands for "handphone no in short".
But it is not easy to get through. Because her boss don't like it so she has to hang up the phone very fast. They are here on 24hr basis and it seems like a underground network. You call boss and they will decide the girl for you or if you know the girl name. She told me that vietnamese rule of thumb do not release any hp to anyone and if they want girls only call boss! Hmm thats how secertive these vietnamese are even when I am in vietnam too.
Yap it is Cherkizovsky market as mentioned from you. So may I know where the rest of the viets have ventured into? Also yes they are the vietnamese village girls that want to come to moscow for fast cash and of course good hard european cocks!
She told me its about 2hr drive from moscow airport but she can't explain it in simple english as the Russian words are too tough for her.
So is Cherkizovsky market 2hr drive to the nearest moscow main airport? I can speak simple vietnamese so if you know how to go there and how to speak to the taxi driver in simple Russian language it will be a good help bro.
Once I am into their den I will report the whereabouts and the price to get them. To all ISG bros that are looking for asian girls in moscow.
Next stop is mongolian and Chinese girls in moscow if anyone knows that whereabout and the price for one shot fuck or booking for overnight.
Hm, weird, my previous message here came out quite weird, with pieces of some other's message I didn't actually quote, and with quotes of my own message. I can't edit it I guess.
[QUOTE=Alxxx]Hm, weird, my previous message here came out quite weird, with pieces of some other's message I didn't actually quote, and with quotes of my own message. I can't edit it I guess.[/QUOTE]Hi Alxxx,
So do you know where is those markets that you have mentioned in your previous qoute? I will be going soon to moscow so I don't want to get lost in the markets as it is very big.
Thanks mate.
[QUOTE=Sex Wanderer]Hi Alxxx,
So do you know where is those markets that you have mentioned in your previous qoute? I will be going soon to moscow so I don't want to get lost in the markets as it is very big.
Thanks mate.[/QUOTE]
Sex Wanderer
Your thinking Cherkizovsky market, 20 minutes subway ride from Moscow. Huge outdoor market and a great place for all kinds of oddities. Cool place for an afternoon trip.
It was closed 1 year ago.
Why on earth would you go to Moscow for Vietnamese pussy?
You might want to try the local wares. IMHO
Guido88
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[QUOTE=Guido88]Sex Wanderer
Your thinking Cherkizovsky market, 20 minutes subway ride from Moscow. Huge outdoor market and a great place for all kinds of oddities. Cool place for an afternoon trip.
It was closed 1 year ago.
Why on earth would you go to Moscow for Vietnamese pussy?
You might want to try the local wares. IMHO
Guido88[/QUOTE]Ok time to review the truth to all ISG bros. As my nick name say I am a sex wanderer searching for globe for a gd soul mate and 1 that can fulfill my desire. But after going to viet last 3mths I found the soul mate that knows what I want. Time for me to settle dwn but bad news strike when her parents with debt force her to go to moscow as sex slaves to the Russian but I was in london. So I am not able to save her. Now after searching'the www.I found this site very useful and ask all ISG bros for help. Sorry mate for troubling you guys and causing misunderstanding.
Thats why I need to go moscow to bail her out then bring her back to vietnam. I will ask her parent to gv her daughter with me and return back to london.
.
Just for US3k she has to work 24hr for 6mth to return all debts bk. To us Londoner 3k is not alot and thats why I need to make this trip.
Anyone who has the lead in Moscow please put up in this post and the contact number to their boss for viet girl. I am very grateful to all help.
[QUOTE=Sex Wanderer]Ok time to review the truth to all ISG bros. As my nick name say I am a sex wanderer searching for globe for a gd soul mate and 1 that can fulfill my desire. But after going to viet last 3mths I found the soul mate that knows what I want. Time for me to settle dwn but bad news strike when her parents with debt force her to go to moscow as sex slaves to the Russian but I was in london. So I am not able to save her. Now after searching'the [url]www.I[/url] found this site very useful and ask all ISG bros for help. Sorry mate for troubling you guys and causing misunderstanding.
Thats why I need to go moscow to bail her out then bring her back to vietnam. I will ask her parent to gv her daughter with me and return back to london.
.
Just for US3k she has to work 24hr for 6mth to return all debts bk. To us Londoner 3k is not alot and thats why I need to make this trip.
Anyone who has the lead in Moscow please put up in this post and the contact number to their boss for viet girl. I am very grateful to all help.[/QUOTE]
SW
If this story is true I do not think you realize what you are dealing with.
Chances of finding her, very very slim.
If you did find her;
Chances of Russia letting her leave the country with you, very, very slim
Chances of the Russian mob kicking the Shit out of you, keeping both the money and girl. Very, very good.
Or you may just get set up and robbed.
Guido88
[QUOTE=Guido88]SW
If this story is true I do not think you realize what you are dealing with.
Chances of finding her, very very slim.
If you did find her;
Chances of Russia letting her leave the country with you, very, very slim
Chances of the Russian mob kicking the Shit out of you, keeping both the money and girl. Very, very good.
Or you may just get set up and robbed.
Guido88[/QUOTE]Yap thats what I am worry too as not to offend any of the Vietnamese and Russian mafia.
But I just want to see her and check it out how is she doing. If thats the case in russia, I will act as a customer then leave the premises.
Seems like there is no connection of Russian nor europeans knowing of the underground network of vietnamese girls been exploited for sex in Moscow.
Now I know why she kept saying that majority of the customers are all Chinese and only once in a blue moon an european comes into their liar for vietnamese sex.
Do you know where does the Chinese community in moscow live? Or which section of it is located? I will still venture into this liar. If I survived I will tell the tale to all ISG Bros.
Even its only 1% chance I will still take the risk. Well in life I have wasted all my years searching but now I have found it.
Hi to all ISG Bros,
If any of you have any leads or the whereabout in Moscow I can find, please release it here so that I can find her even the chance is very very slim.
Thanks Mate!
[QUOTE=Sex Wanderer]Ok time to review the truth to all ISG bros... Time for me to settle dwn but bad news strike when her parents with debt force her to go to moscow as sex slaves to the Russian but I was in london. So I am not able to save her. Now after searching'the [url]www.I[/url] found this site very useful and ask all ISG bros for help. Sorry mate for troubling you guys and causing misunderstanding.
Just for US3k she has to work 24hr for 6mth to return all debts bk. To us Londoner 3k is not alot and thats why I need to make this trip.
Anyone who has the lead in Moscow please put up in this post and the contact number to their boss for viet girl. I am very grateful to all help.[/QUOTE]Wow. Is it true?. Why don't you ask her parents and let them know you can help with the debt so she doesn't have to do that kind of stuff?
Anyways, what I found out about Viet markets in Moscow. They say there're several:
1. 41, Koptevskaya st. (??., 41; tel: 450-8759)
2. 100 Dmitrovskoe shosse (??, 100; tel: 483-1141)
3. 16 Shmitovskiy proezd (??, 16; tel: 256-2782)
4. 5/20 Suchevsky val (???., 5,?. 20; tel: 973-0244)
Don't know whether these markets have that kind of special services, but I guess there must be people there who would know. Maybe I have to grab my balls and go there to find out sometime.
[QUOTE=Sex Wanderer]Yap thats what I am worry too as not to offend any of the Vietnamese and Russian mafia.
But I just want to see her and check it out how is she doing. If thats the case in russia, I will act as a customer then leave the premises.
Seems like there is no connection of Russian nor europeans knowing of the underground network of vietnamese girls been exploited for sex in Moscow.
Now I know why she kept saying that majority of the customers are all Chinese and only once in a blue moon an european comes into their liar for vietnamese sex.
Do you know where does the Chinese community in moscow live? Or which section of it is located? I will still venture into this liar. If I survived I will tell the tale to all ISG Bros.
Even its only 1% chance I will still take the risk. Well in life I have wasted all my years searching but now I have found it.
Hi to all ISG Bros,
If any of you have any leads or the whereabout in Moscow I can find, please release it here so that I can find her even the chance is very very slim.
Thanks Mate![/QUOTE]
SW
Only help I can offer is the word "Caution"
Truly a needle in a haystack venture.
Best of luck in your search.
Guido88
[QUOTE=Sex Wanderer]Yap thats what I am worry too as not to offend any of the Vietnamese and Russian mafia.
But I just want to see her and check it out how is she doing. If thats the case in russia, I will act as a customer then leave the premises.
Seems like there is no connection of Russian nor europeans knowing of the underground network of vietnamese girls been exploited for sex in Moscow.
Now I know why she kept saying that majority of the customers are all Chinese and only once in a blue moon an european comes into their liar for vietnamese sex.
Do you know where does the Chinese community in moscow live? Or which section of it is located? I will still venture into this liar. If I survived I will tell the tale to all ISG Bros.
Even its only 1% chance I will still take the risk. Well in life I have wasted all my years searching but now I have found it.
Hi to all ISG Bros,
If any of you have any leads or the whereabout in Moscow I can find, please release it here so that I can find her even the chance is very very slim.
Thanks Mate![/QUOTE]Don't be a fool!
[QUOTE=Alxxx]Wow. Is it true?. Why don't you ask her parents and let them know you can help with the debt so she doesn't have to do that kind of stuff?
Anyways, what I found out about Viet markets in Moscow. They say there're several:
1. 41, Koptevskaya st. (??., 41; tel: 450-8759)
2. 100 Dmitrovskoe shosse (??, 100; tel: 483-1141)
3. 16 Shmitovskiy proezd (??, 16; tel: 256-2782)
4. 5/20 Suchevsky val (???., 5,?. 20; tel: 973-0244)
Don't know whether these markets have that kind of special services, but I guess there must be people there who would know. Maybe I have to grab my balls and go there to find out sometime.[/QUOTE]Thanks Alxxx,
Just to check, when I arrived in moscow can the taxi driver sent me to those places that you have mentioned? How much will it cost for me to hire a taxi for a day to search these 4 places?
1. 41, Koptevskaya st. (?., 41; tel: 450-8759)
2. 100 Dmitrovskoe shosse (?, 100; tel: 483-1141)
3. 16 Shmitovskiy proezd (?, 16; tel: 256-2782)
4. 5/20 Suchevsky val (?., 5,?. 20; tel: 973-0244)
Are all these places nearby to one another? Or if I arrived in moscow can I contact you for help? Definitely I will pay you for your guide service in moscow to assist me in going into the vietnam community area. Don't worry I will not involve you with them. When I have found their liar you can leave and I will let the course take nature. But hmmm may I know the ambulance no just in case.
Also may I know what can I do with those tel no? Is it a direct tel to call the boss?
[QUOTE=Guido88]SW
Only help I can offer is the word "Caution"
Truly a needle in a haystack venture.
Best of luck in your search.
Guido88[/QUOTE]Thank you for your concern bro. Each day goes by but the heart is pumping very fast on the urge to see her.
[QUOTE=Climaxnow]Don't be a fool![/QUOTE]Thanks Climaxnow,
I try not to be a fool but everyone in life there will be oneday or somehow you will be a fool to find true love.
Well now I am the fool to go into russia and vietnam control territory.
[QUOTE=Sex Wanderer]Well now I am the fool to go into russia and vietnam control territory.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure if this is some sort of twisted joke, or you're just an idiot. Maybe both.
But if you're adamant about this, I'd suggest hiring a private investigator before setting foot in Moscow. Have him do the leg work and see if there's even a chance of finding her. I'm guessing there are plenty of PIs in Moscow who are former KGB and/or police, and will be infinitely more productive than you could ever be.
I know what you're thinking, and no... I don't have any PI to suggest. Hit the local expat forums (redtape.ru and expat.ru) and ask if someone can suggest a reliable one. I did find this, however, doing a simple google search:
[url]http://www.articlesbase.com/infidelity-articles/choosing-a-russia-private-investigator-1962592.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Sex Wanderer]Thank you for your concern bro. Each day goes by but the heart is pumping very fast on the urge to see her.[/QUOTE]
"True Love" and pumping hearts have clouded many a man's good judgement. I'm all for that. But I hope eyes are also truly open as to the real nature of this relationship. I would take the comments by some of the experienced Moscow mongers to heart as well.
My 2 cents
AM
[QUOTE=Sex Wanderer]Thanks Alxxx,
Just to check, when I arrived in moscow can the taxi driver sent me to those places that you have mentioned? How much will it cost for me to hire a taxi for a day to search these 4 places?
Are all these places nearby to one another?
Also may I know what can I do with those tel no? Is it a direct tel to call the boss?[/QUOTE]No these places are not nearby each other. I don't know exact prices for taxi to get around all those places. You could negotiate with some private driver, but I'm not an expert in hiring drivers for that kind of thing. You could hire a taxi/car to go separately from one place to another
Those tel #'s are just numbers of regular market administration I guess. I found them online on some Russian websites. And I don't think you can call and ask them smthn like "I'd like to talk to the papa-san please"
But this whole idea seems quite weird for me too. Unless it's really a 'twisted joke' as Pizdyets said.
PIs idea seems to make sence.
[QUOTE=Sex Wanderer]
When I have found their liar you can leave and I will let the course take nature. But hmmm may I know the ambulance no just in case.
Also may I know what can I do with those tel no? Is it a direct tel to call the boss?[/QUOTE]What are you going to do with them? No, really! What EXACTLY are you planning to do?
P.S. WTF, for some reason my typings is Russian come out like question marks '?'
[QUOTE=Alxxx]No these places are not nearby each other. I don't know exact prices for taxi to get around all those places. You could negotiate with some private driver, but I'm not an expert in hiring drivers for that kind of thing. You could hire a taxi/car to go separately from one place to another
Those tel #'s are just numbers of regular market administration I guess. I found them online on some Russian websites. And I don't think you can call and ask them smthn like "I'd like to talk to the papa-san please"
But this whole idea seems quite weird for me too. Unless it's really a 'twisted joke' as Pizdyets said.
PIs idea seems to make sence.
What are you going to do with them? No, really! What EXACTLY are you planning to do?
P.S. WTF, for some reason my typings is Russian come out like question marks '?'[/QUOTE]Thanks for your help bro and at least I have some contact no to refer to. Hmm I need to plan this trip properly else I will be lost in the lonely planet and worst cant even speak russian language to get it out. So now I am searching for a local guide in the tourist section for personal guide tour service. Maybe they will charge cheaper compared to a PI and at least they know where the vietnamese community is.
Now I have 4 places to hunt and with a russian tour guide that can speak english and knows the place it will help me to narrow it down.
Some in these forum thinks that it will be a risk and a fool to be. I do think that I am still searching my own soul too whether I am really the fool, or got blinded by clouds.
[QUOTE=Angus Magee]"True Love" and pumping hearts have clouded many a man's good judgement. I'm all for that. But I hope eyes are also truly open as to the real nature of this relationship. I would take the comments by some of the experienced Moscow mongers to heart as well.
My 2 cents
AM[/QUOTE]Thanks angus magee. I am still searching and if this relationship fails to open up. I might as well goes by to my own self >>> sex wanderer in the planet Earth again and not able to find the "True Love".
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]I'm not sure if this is some sort of twisted joke, or you're just an idiot. Maybe both.
But if you're adamant about this, I'd suggest hiring a private investigator before setting foot in Moscow. Have him do the leg work and see if there's even a chance of finding her. I'm guessing there are plenty of PIs in Moscow who are former KGB and/or police, and will be infinitely more productive than you could ever be.
I know what you're thinking, and no... I don't have any PI to suggest. Hit the local expat forums (redtape.ru and expat.ru) and ask if someone can suggest a reliable one. I did find this, however, doing a simple google search:
[url]http://www.articlesbase.com/infidelity-articles/choosing-a-russia-private-investigator-1962592.html[/url][/QUOTE]Thanks for your information. Yes I do agree with you on hiring one but I am worry of the high charges involve. My budget is about $2000 US so I dont know if it is enough for a PI to find a vietnamese girl in the vietnamese community, get a photoshoot of the place with my girl in it and the full address of their liar. If they are able to meet my budget well hooorayyy it will be a great as I just need to take a cab and rush to that location.
Now searching all these PI as mentioned and asking them for their qoutation on my request.
Bear in mind we don't know the true reason why Sex Wanderer is seeking this girl. Maybe she ran from him or owes him etc. I see no reason to believe his motives and to help him.
And if he is for real, the following song lyrics may be applicable.
Gone Daddy Gone
Beautiful girl,
love the dress
high school smiles,
oh yes
where she is now I can only guess
Cause it's gone daddy gone,
your love is gone
Yeah it's gone daddy gone,
the love is gone
Yes gone daddy gone,
gone away, gone away.
[QUOTE=Sex Wanderer] My budget is about $2000 US [/QUOTE]Good! That should cover your plane ticket and visa.
How do you plan to pay for the other 10,000 USD???
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Good! That should cover your plane ticket and visa.
How do you plan to pay for the other 10,000 USD???[/QUOTE]
LOL :D
I guess Sex Wanderer has no idea how expensive Moscow can be, but I am curious to know how it ends....
[QUOTE=Sex Wanderer]Thanks for your information. Yes I do agree with you on hiring one but I am worry of the high charges involve. My budget is about $2000 US so I dont know if it is enough for a PI to find a vietnamese girl in the vietnamese community, get a photoshoot of the place with my girl in it and the full address of their liar. If they are able to meet my budget well hooorayyy it will be a great as I just need to take a cab and rush to that location.
Now searching all these PI as mentioned and asking them for their qoutation on my request.[/QUOTE]
2000 USD budget for Moscow? One night? :D
Yep moscow in incredibly expencive (or can be so)... It's difficult to find a decent hotel room (not in the centre) under 120 USD (100 €). A nice meal in a nice restaurant (for Russian not for oligarchs) is around 30-50 € of course you can go in a small café at the market in the outskirts of 8-10 USD.
Girls... Usually they start at 10.000 RUB for a nightover... then...
for 2000 USD I would go ti Pattya instead (you can but cheap flights)... cheap hotel, and cheap willing girls.
IT
[QUOTE=It Travel]2000 USD budget for Moscow? One night? :D
Yep moscow in incredibly expencive (or can be so)... It's difficult to find a decent hotel room (not in the centre) under 120 USD (100 €). A nice meal in a nice restaurant (for Russian not for oligarchs) is around 30-50 € of course you can go in a small café at the market in the outskirts of 8-10 USD.
Girls... Usually they start at 10.000 RUB for a nightover... then...
for 2000 USD I would go ti Pattya instead (you can but cheap flights)... cheap hotel, and cheap willing girls.
IT[/QUOTE]Wow I didn't know that its so expensive. For me I can stay in any cheap hotel.
Well bros I make some mistake and misunderstanding here. My $2000 USD refer to the PI fee that I am willing to pay for
1. He needs to find the girl I am looking for with pictures taken of her and where she stays.
2. The full address in Russian and translate in simple English so that when I reach the airport I will ask the taxi driver to take me there.
3. Err the PI must tell me if there is any Russian or vietnamese gangster and who and what I should look out for. Also I need the mamasam contact number so that I can act as a customer to call her mamasam seeking for the girl that I want.
Now still searching for pro PI that can meet this budget of $2000 USD. Any ISG bros in this forum use to be a PI?
I am bringing another travel budget of $2000 USD excluding my airticket which I have paid for using my credit card. So that should cover my lodging, taxi and to book my vietnamese girl for 3 days. My girl told me that the customers have to pay only 5000 rub to book them for overnight with only 3 shoots allow then the next day the vietnamese driver will come to pick them up.
Well these is my 1st nerve racking experience to enter into the Russian and vietnamese mafia network of providing young beautiful vietnamese girls to the vietnamese and Chinese communities in moscow.
Cross my fingers.
SW,
Masterful plan, brilliantly conceived, carefully thought-out, every detail thoroughly considered and accounted for.
I only have 1 question...
How will you get your girlfriend [b]out[/b] of the country? In order to get out of Russia, she must have a passport and in order to get into the U.S. she must have a visa.
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Masterful plan, brilliantly conceived, carefully thought-out, every detail thoroughly considered and accounted for.
I only have 1 question...
How will you get your girlfriend [b]out[/b] of the country? In order to get out of Russia, she must have a passport and in order to get into the U.S. she must have a visa.[/QUOTE]
LOL.
Sounds like it's just a really expensive nookie run to me.
P.
I agree, it seems to be looking that way more and more.
SW,
If you want to go to Moscow to get laid, that's [b]OK[/b] We all understand. :)
It's really not necessary to make up a complicated story about the need to rescue the love-of-your-life-sold-into-sex-slavery.
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]P.
I agree, it seems to be looking that way more and more.
SW,
If you want to go to Moscow to get laid, that's [b]OK[/b] We all understand. :)
It's really not necessary to make up a complicated story about the need to rescue the love-of-your-life-sold-into-sex-slavery.[/QUOTE]Hi stravinsky,
Thanks bro for the advice.
Well I am not telling a story here but real life issue and thats why I need all the expert advice from real people living in russia.
The passport is with the boss so I need just to bail her out. Only problem I face is that its their hideout. She will be following back with me to vietnam.
I have search the google map and managed to find their location. Only 3 places are nearby except for (100 Dmitrovskoe shosse (?, 100; tel: 483-1141). This location is a very long highway so I don't know where to look for. Its too far away from the moscow city rings.
The rest are all nearby and they have vietnamese marketplace in it.
41, Koptevskaya st. (?., 41; tel: 450-8759)
16 Shmitovskiy proezd (?, 16; tel: 256-2782)
5/20 Suchevsky val (?., 5,?. 20; tel: 973-0244)
I have printed all the maps and the trains available. Then I will be looking for a hotel near to the vietnamese market.
I am seeking all understanding that I need to find her else it will be a 1. 5years of hard banging savalery.
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]...
How will you get your girlfriend [b]out[/b] of the country? ...[/QUOTE]Even more, how will you convince her to follow you?
So far as we know, she maybe is an independent pro or she has rich sponsor and no reasons for her to change her life.
[QUOTE=Sex Wanderer]My girl told me that the customers have to pay only 5000 rub to book them for overnight with only 3 shoots allow then the next day the vietnamese driver will come to pick them up.[/QUOTE]This in itself sounds fishy. For one thing, if it's overnight, I've never heard of a pre-determined shoot limit. For another, 5K for overnight is low, especially for vyezd, and certainly if she's young and at all good looking. 5K is the going price for just 2 hours of outcall with a decent-looking girl, while 8-10K is standard for overnight.
[QUOTE=Sex Wanderer]The passport is with the boss so I need just to bail her out.
She will be following back with me to vietnam.[/QUOTE]If she will return directly to Vietnam, then the visa won't be a problem.
But she still needs a passport. Do you have any reason to believe that the boss will accept your buy out? Sounds as if she's a valuable asset. He may decide to keep her.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]This in itself sounds fishy. For one thing, if it's overnight, I've never heard of a pre-determined shoot limit. For another, 5K for overnight is low... especially for vyezd, and certainly if she's young and at all good looking. 5K is the going price for just 2 hours of outcall with a decent-looking girl, while 8-10K is standard for overnight.[/QUOTE]Yep due to my experience 8-10 k is standard for overnight (normal girl) you can have a old (above 30) or a chubby (that doesen't mean a soft nice teen...) one for 6-8 k. Nice teen (or so) threeholer teens goes from 12-15 k.
I think that nobody can argue something against that "standard" overnight price in Moscow. Timing is variable. If you offer a dinner and a breakfast (as I usually do) you can get the girl from 7-9 p.m. to 10-11 a.m. For me (with a 20 mg Cialis) enough for 5-6 pops! But in the "pricelist" for overnighters the pops are unlimited not three!
Just two cents
IT
[quote=lukasek]even more.... how will you convince her to follow you ?
so far as we know, she maybe is an independent pro or she has rich sponsor and no reasons for her to change her life...[/quote]without a proper passport you will never get out russia from an airport or with train or car at a normal border crossing.
i think also on the sponsor: many girls i sponsored in moscow and kiev at the end found a "permanent" sponsor, may be living with him, may be marrying him.
of course... buying out sex slaves! uhmm seems me impossible without getting in big big troubles both with the slavists and with the police (that can be even worse!).
my solution to our friend sex wanderer is simple: find another, but a freebie.
if i had the money (at the time) i would have been defintely be a permanent sponsor of a girl like [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] (more than 20 years less than me): skinny, nice, clever, young, a devil in bed (best bbbj + cim + cof ever), totally bisexual (more lesbian than hetero). and we should have gone in the discos (in the province) together for the favourite hobby of both: chasing young teens and tahing them to bed :p :p :p
it
[QUOTE=It Travel]Yep due to my experience 8-10 k is standard for overnight (normal girl) you can have a old (above 30) or a chubby (that doesen't mean a soft nice teen...) one for 6-8 k. Nice teen (or so) threeholer teens goes from 12-15 k.
I think that nobody can argue something against that "standard" overnight price in Moscow. Timing is variable. If you offer a dinner and a breakfast (as I usually do) you can get the girl from 7-9 p.m. to 10-11 a.m. For me (with a 20 mg Cialis) enough for 5-6 pops! But in the "pricelist" for overnighters the pops are unlimited not three!!!
Just two cents
IT[/QUOTE]I am telling the truth bros! Asian cost cheaper than Russian girls! Thats the reason after investigating they only serve vietnamese and Chinese customers for the past 8years in russia. Best part they have been there and nobody in russia knows about it as only a few Russian or europeans went to their community to have sex with the girls there! Best part they are 16 to 28 yrs old so its real cool fresh young asian babes. The price is at 1500rub for a shot in their 3 guestrooms in their hideout and 4500 to 5000rub if you book them overnight to return them back by 7am. Thats asian rate
She told me that they stay on 5th fl and theres a playground below with the market at walking distance. With a photoshop across the street thats owe by Russian but she don't know how to speak the Russian language of the street. Yap the boss is a lady not guy in her late 20s.
So if any of you come of this place please let me know. If you know any vietnamese maybe they will tell you of this hideout near to their viet community. Try viet is you are in budget who knows you may like it.
[QUOTE=It Travel]My solution to our friend Sex Wanderer is simple: FIND ANOTHER, BUT A FREEBIE.[/QUOTE]
I dunno, IT... I think our friend's strategy holds real promise. Here's how I imagine it:
SexWanderer bumbles around Moscow with his Armenian cab driver sidekick, Dickran, and like Borat in the US of A, seamlessly integrates himself into the Vietnamese community. Working deep undercover at a Vietnamese corner grocery, he spends his nights sweeping rat shit and his days combing the stalls of markets, passing around photos of his True Love (R) in hopes of any lead at all. SexWanderer at long last uncovers the true identity of his lover's pimp, and with the help of two AWOL'd soldiers whom he "befriended" behind his grocery (and for a $10 tip!), they storm the enemy lair with the best weapons he could muster: a sharpened broom handle, a two foot long kolbasa, and a pair of channel lock pliers. With full knowledge of what's in store for him should he try to resist, the pimp reluctantly agrees to give up the girl. After so many johns, however, she's long since forgotten SW and runs into the comforting (and soon groping) arms of one of his drunk comrades. Unfazed, our hero demands that the pimp surrender her passport as well. "Nah so fass, Meestuh Wandell..." says the pimp, as he douses the passport with vodka and sets it ablaze, all the while laughing maniacally. SW launches himself to save the passport but inadvertently sends it into the wall, setting alight the highly flamable oriental rug hung there for aesthetic purposes and sound insulation. As the pimp futilely attempts to control the spread of the flames, our party gives up on the passport and makes a quick exit. Arm-in-arm like Dorothy and her friends in The Wizard of Oz, SexWanderer and his party skip down the streets of Moscow, pausing only briefly to turn and watch the thick black smoke emerging from the pimp's apartment block.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]I dunno, IT... I think our friend's strategy holds real promise. Here's how I imagine it:...[/QUOTE]
Gold baby, you got gold. Real rock solid 24 carat stuff. I think we can work out a picture deal here. I'm picturing Brad & Angie in the main roles. Yeah I know Angie is a bit tall and not really Vietnamese but we'll use make up and maybe have her work on her knees. I think Claud Van 'D and Chuck are available for the side kick roles and Bobby De Niro is looking for work. I'm thinking, the pimp. It'll help give it that gangster flavor. Working title? How about Moscow White Knights!
[QUOTE=Angus Magee]Gold baby, you got gold. Real rock solid 24 carat stuff. I think we can work out a picture deal here. I'm picturing Brad & Angie in the main roles. Yeah I know Angie is a bit tall and not really Vietnamese but we'll use make up and maybe have her work on her knees. I think Claud Van 'D and Chuck are available for the side kick roles and Bobby De Niro is looking for work. I'm thinking, the pimp. It'll help give it that gangster flavor. Working title? How about Moscow White Knights![/QUOTE]
Yep but there is a basic wrong thing... :D :D
Going to Moscow for a Vietnamese girl... Must be some thing wrong...
I go to Moscow for blondinkas...! :p
IT
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]pausing only briefly to turn and watch the thick black smoke emerging from the pimp's apartment block.[/QUOTE]P.
LOL!
But, wait, no... this is not the ending yet. He still has to get her back to Vietnam.
So, after they skip away from the burning pimp, they all hop into a taxi, who just happens to be waiting for them, and after a raucous ride to Sheremetevo II, involving bottles of vodka and choruses of "Katyusha" they arrive at the airport. They rush into the terminal and arrive at passport control. SW's girlfriend presents her charred passport to the bored inspector, who frowns at the young girl at first, but of course, cannot resist the beauty of her youth and the infectious nature of her smile as she explains to him that she accidently dropped it into the shashlik at her birthday party. They all laugh congenially and he allows them both to pass without a problem. As they run away towards their departure gate, he raises his hand in fond farewell and a somewhat melancholy smile appears on his face as he watches the two young lovers disappear into the crowd, remembering himself the squandered promise of his own mis-spent youth.
Freeze frame.
Cue the theme song of an old Fellini film.
конец филма
Roll credits.
Actually this film was already made last year - called Taken, except it has an American girl kidnapped in Paris and sold into sex slavery there. Maybe this could be a sequel with a low-class Vietnamese girl taking the role of the buxom blonde Maggie Grace and Sex Wanderer standing in for Liam Neeson as an international man of mystery. Coming to a theatre near you...
But seriously Wanderer, if you are serious, you are going about this all wrong.
You show up in Moscow trying to get this girl back, if you could ever find her, and either you will wake up dead at the bottom of a river, or - best case scenario - her pimps will decide that they need $10,000+ to compensate them for the loss of earnings of this priceless gem of the Orient.
Instead, contact her parents and tell them you can buy back their debt if their lender can get back their daughter. That will be much cheaper and any rip-off will probably go into the pockets of her parents instead of the Moscow mafia.
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]P.
LOL!
But, wait, no... this is not the ending yet. He still has to get her back to Vietnam.
So, after they skip away from the burning pimp, they all hop into a taxi, who just happens to be waiting for them, and after a raucous ride to Sheremetevo II, involving bottles of vodka and choruses of "Katyusha" they arrive at the airport. They rush into the terminal and arrive at passport control. SW's girlfriend presents her charred passport to the bored inspector, who frowns at the young girl at first, but of course, cannot resist the beauty of her youth and the infectious nature of her smile as she explains to him that she accidently dropped it into the shashlik at her birthday party. They all laugh congenially and he allows them both to pass without a problem. As they run away towards their departure gate, he raises his hand in fond farewell and a somewhat melancholy smile appears on his face as he watches the two young lovers disappear into the crowd, remembering himself the squandered promise of his own mis-spent youth.
Freeze frame.
Cue the theme song of an old Fellini film.
конец филма
Roll credits.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]But seriously Wanderer, if you are serious, you are going about this all wrong.
You show up in Moscow trying to get this girl back, if you could ever find her, and either you will wake up dead at the bottom of a river, or. Best case scenario. Her pimps will decide that they need $10, 000+ to compensate them for the loss of earnings of this priceless gem of the Orient.[/QUOTE]err anyone in moscow sell bullet proof vest?. So anyone in moscow knows of this place?
1. She told me she staying 5th floor.
2. Below is a playground.
3. Across the street is a photo shop owe by Russian
4. The market is nearby walking distance of 10mins.
5. Only 3 rooms with attached bath room in their house.
6. The final calling price after I have investigate is 1000rub for 1 shot and overnight is 4000 rub to return back by 7am next day.
7. Only vietnamese gang there no Russian gang.
So do any of the ISG bros have any vietnamese staffs working for you? Maybe they know of this liar that have been operating for the past 8 years till now so secertive that none of you even knows that it exist in moscow except the blondie there.
As for the movie idea hmmm its good if I make it alive I definitely will write a book about it but I need to buy a bullet proof vest because they have guns with them too.
My book title <saving moscow escape in 36hrs
[QUOTE=Sex Wanderer]1. She told me she staying 5th floor.
[/QUOTE]
OMG - now I know exactly where she's at! Because only 99.99% of the buildings in Moscow have 5+ floors.
[QUOTE]
2. Below is a playground.
[/QUOTE]
Really narrowed it down with this one. Only a thousand "detskie ploschadki" in Moscow...
[QUOTE]
3. Across the street is a photo shop owe by Russian
[/QUOTE]
Photo shop... maybe only a couple hundred of them in Moscow. Interesting nugget is that it's owned by a [i]Russian[/i]. Probably knocked a dozen off the list, maybe two, leaving you with... a couple hundred.
[QUOTE]
4. The market is nearby walking distance of 10mins.
[/QUOTE]
Oh! Near the [b]market[/b]! Unsurprisingly in a city of 16 million people, there are a few dozen markets in Moscow. Izmailovsky? Savyolovsky? Rizhsky? Dorogomilovsky? Danilovsky?
This is almost laughable. How you could get all this (useless) information, and not have a simple STREET ADDRESS is beyond me. I was transliterating from Cyrillic to Latin characters (with no prior Russian study) on my first trip to Moscow. It looks intimidating at first, but it's not that hard. Really.
I will not post on this topic any more. I've offered you the best advice I could, and that was to [b]hire a private investigator before setting foot in Russia[/b]. You are less than useless here, and as many have already pointed out, there's a really good chance of you getting injured [i]or worse[/i] should you go about this on your own.
Below is extract from Article 'The Russian Mafia in Asia' re: an attempt to pay a girl free from the mafia. By Bertil Lintner (3 February, 1996)
" On July 24th, 1994, a couple was found dead in a dingy flat in a working-class suburb of Vladivostok in the Russian Far East. The man had been shot once through the eye and the girl had been tortured and then shot in the head. Such murders are everyday occurrences in today's Russia and mostly pass unnoticed in the world of drive-by shootings, kidnappings, smuggling and gambling which characterise the port city of Vladivostok even more than other places in the Russian Wild East.
But this case received the attention of even the world media when the identity of the murdered couple became known. The man turned out to be Gary Alderdice, a 48-year old New Zealander, a top Queen's Counsel and one of Hong Kong's leading criminal lawyers, as well as a well-known socialite in the British colony. The girl, who was found tied to a chair in a dingy flat in Vladivostok, was identified as Natalia Samofalova, a 20-year old Russian prostitute whom Alderdice had first met at the Skylight nightclub in the Hotel Presidente on Avenida Da Amizade in Macau.
The police investigation into the case revealed that Alderdice had had US$ 150,000 in cash on him just hours before he and his Russian girlfriend were shot. This led to speculations that he had gone to Vladivostok to buy Natalia free from the syndicate which many suspected had controlled her when she worked as a nightclub dancer in Macau only weeks before her escape with Alderdice. According to the police investigation, Natalia had entered Macau in August 1993 and first met Alderdice in March 1994. In May, she left her work at the Skylight to live with the New Zealand lawyer.
The front for the syndicate which had sent Natalia and other Russian girls to Macau was the "tourism department" of a local "firm" in Siberia called Dialog Naradov ("Dialogue of Nations"). A "chief executive" of that company, Sergei Guramovitch Sukhanov, was seen in the area on the night of the murders, which seemed to strengthen that suspicion.
However, Hong Kong lawyer Michael Lunn, a colleague of Alderdice, went to Vladivostok shortly after the murder to identify the corpse - and to find out more about the case. He returned to Hong Kong in July 1994 with the conclusion that the sole motive for the murder was robbery. He also questioned press reports that Alderdice was carrying as much as US$ 150,000 with him, saying he entered Russia with less than US$ 3,000. "
[QUOTE=Sex Wanderer]7. Only vietnamese gang there no Russian gang.[/QUOTE]
Oh-Only Vietnamese gangs. <rolls eyes>
This ain't going to end well.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]OMG - now I know exactly where she's at! Because only 99.99% of the buildings in Moscow have 5+ floors. etc etc etc....[/QUOTE]
I agree with you my friend... he is totally useless....
1. Just remarkable... 99% Agree totally
2. Almost every concrete soviet block komunalka have a playground
3. Photo shop/depatment? Probably some thousands in Moscow....
4. Frankly speaking... I do not know a place in Moscow (apart the central area) more far than 20 minutes walk from a big or small (by Russian standards) Rinok!
5. Normal house size of soviet times... Komunalka!
6. Seems really too cheap for Moscow at least...
7. May be when you arte in Vietnam you can search for a Russian blonde, pale white skinned one?
As Pizdyets says... learn to write an address... (Russian way)
This is how a address (for pedestrain use not for postal one) should be written in Moscow...
Москва, м. Партизанская, Измайловское ш., д. 71, корпус Дельта, 6 этаж, офис XXX
It's the address of an office inside the Izmailovo complex, for a private house you will write:
k. XX (the apartment number...)
Pls next time do your homework...
Just my two cents...
PS By the way (for who uses mamba, love, flirt, etc...) These are what I would like to smuggle out of Russia and intstall in my home... unfortunately... by the way they are not blonde, but who really cares? [url]http://flirt.com.ua/nasta-petroba/[/url]
[QUOTE=Sex Wanderer]err anyone in moscow sell bullet proof vest?. So anyone in moscow knows of this place?
1. She told me she staying 5th floor.
2. Below is a playground.
3. Across the street is a photo shop owe by Russian
4. The market is nearby walking distance of 10mins.
5. Only 3 rooms with attached bath room in their house.
6. The final calling price after I have investigate is 1000rub for 1 shot and overnight is 4000 rub to return back by 7am next day.
7. Only vietnamese gang there no Russian gang.
So do any of the ISG bros have any vietnamese staffs working for you? Maybe they know of this liar that have been operating for the past 8 years till now so secertive that none of you even knows that it exist in moscow except the blondie there.
As for the movie idea hmmm its good if I make it alive I definitely will write a book about it but I need to buy a bullet proof vest because they have guns with them too.
My book title <saving moscow escape in 36hrs[/QUOTE]
SW
Clearly you have no idea what you are thinking of doing. Reality will be a harsh education.
Time to find a new pair of legs.
Guido88
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]
SW's girlfriend presents her charred passport to the bored inspector...as she explains to him that she accidently dropped it into the shashlik at her birthday party.
[/QUOTE]
IS,
Wait a minute.
What about this?
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]
as he douses the passport with vodka and sets it ablaze...our party gives up on the passport and makes a quick exit.
[/QUOTE]
Seriously Strav, we'll have to do better than this.
As your executive producer (and occasional Viennese consultant), I don't want to be reading this as a "goof" in some future Imdb review. :)
Back to work...
VG.
[QUOTE=It Travel]
PS By the way (for who uses mamba, love, flirt, etc...) These are what I would like to smuggle out of Russia and intstall in my home... unfortunately... by the way they are not blonde, but who really cares? [url]http://flirt.com.ua/nasta-petroba/[/url][/QUOTE]
IT - looks like you and Doc have similar tastes. "Miya" looks to be something right up his alley, so to speak! Not that I'd throw her out of bed on a cold winter night, but I prefer girls who look a tad more mature (say, 21-24).
This girl is definitely "working" though. In her profile it states "Boys - I won't respond to stupid questions. Better to cut straight to the point and come over!"
[quote=pizdyets]it - looks like you and doc have similar tastes. "miya" looks to be something right up his alley, so to speak! not that i'd throw her out of bed on a cold winter night, but i prefer girls who look a tad more mature (say, 21-24).
this girl is definitely "working" though. in her profile it states "boys - i won't respond to stupid questions. better to cut straight to the point and come over!"[/quote]
sometimes i loke well educated ones in the late twnties... sometimes i like the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] style ones and these two seems really.... how shall i say the main cause of a heart attack?
will lock them in the bedroom for a couple of weeks, unfortunately i cant...
it
[QUOTE=Gergiev]Seriously Strav, we'll have to do better than this.[/QUOTE]VG,
OMG, people actually [i]read[/i] this stuff? You must have [i]waaay[/i] too much time on your hands.
Sorry about the discontinuity: I guess you missed the re-write session. We added another scene. Just as they are about to leave the burning building, the Vietnamese girlfriend (who was always the smart one anyway) realizes that she can't return home without her passport and rushes back in to pry her charred passport from the charred hand of the burning pimp. She then rushes out of the burning building, just before it collapses.
Cut to taxi waiting to take them to airport.
As the executive producer, can you sign off on that? Or do we need to get the director involved?
Interesting... I always thought you were my [i]Wiener[/i] consultant. :)
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]
the Vietnamese girlfriend...rushes back in to pry her charred passport from the charred hand of the burning pimp.
[/QUOTE]
IS,
Apologies, dozed off over my [i]Schitzel[/i].
But I've just seen the rushes and the severed "charred hand" is still attached to the passport as she hands it over to the "bored inspector".
Better call that director. :)
VG.
Yes, I know I'm usually the one supplying the info, but was hoping that some n00b lurkers out there could give back a little.
Which clubs (quality aside) have crowds on Sunday, Monday, or Tuesday? Papa's (Doug Steele's latest "renovation" project) has college night on Mondays and Latin night on Tuesday - both with lots of people - but I simply hate it. Propaganda has a crowd on Sundays, I think, but that's apparently gay night. And recent trips to Che, Karma, Garage, Parisian Life, Coyote and my other usual Lubyanka/Chisty Prudy/Kitai Gorod haunts haven't turned up anything. Any tips?
[QUOTE=Gergiev]IS,
Apologies, dozed off over my [i]Schitzel[/i].
But I've just seen the rushes and the severed "charred hand" is still attached to the passport as she hands it over to the "bored inspector".
Better call that director. :)
VG.[/QUOTE]Nope I will act the exclusive rights for this if someone really put this into a movie as "Taken 2" shooting in moscow!
Thanks to all ISG bros for the recent concern, I am so touched and wow seen so many scriptwriters coming in.
Hmmmm maybe the next one I should try "HongKong" Running from Chinese gangsters". But I will still keep trying to find the vietnamese girl 1st.
Yes I am engaging a private investigator on this so let see how it goes and maybe I will do it as according to the ISG plan! Burning of the pimp liar.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Garage[/QUOTE]
of course Garage has been closed for over a year... I meant Tunnel.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Yes, I know I'm usually the one supplying the info.[/QUOTE]
Wot ! your 'the one' supplying the info. Wot! i not so sure about that one )
cheers
[QUOTE=Gergiev]But I've just seen the rushes and the severed "charred hand" is still attached to the passport as she hands it over to the "bored inspector".[/QUOTE]VG,
Yes, that's true. The AD of the Moscow unit had the idea to include a scene where the Vietnamese girlfriend cut off the hand of the burning pimp with one of those butterfly swithchblades that she keeps tucked away in her garter (those Viet girls are [i]very[/i] good with those things) and then carry it with her to the airport. But the director nixed the idea after seeing the rushes, so it ended up on the cutting room floor. Except of course, there is no cutting room floor, since we are shooting this film with digital cameras. Seems the director thought there was just way too much sex and violence in films nowadays.
We're in post-production now, looking at a release date in L.A. sometime before Christmas. That way we should qualify for Academy consideration. Who knows??? :)
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Nick - if memory serves, you're a Kiwi, right? If so, you should know better. :)[/QUOTE]
Thank you, I quite agree I do know that many people supply info on this forum.
[QUOTE=Nickc]Thank you, I quite agree I do know that many people supply info on this forum.[/QUOTE]
Yeah... that's why no one responded at all to my query. :)
Face it, there's a very small handful of us here who report on the nightclub (as opposed to stripclub) scene. Pretty much just Passepartout, Doc and myself. Speaking of which, the current scene is simply horrible. Where have all the attractive girls disappeared to? The question is, of course, rhetorical. This summer is a scorcher and the hot deffki have better things to do, better places to see than the sweaty interior of a downtown club. Recent visits to Che, Coyote Ugly and Real McCoy turned up very little of interest.
On a bright note, I had the unexpected pleasure of (re-)visiting the strip club in Olympic Stadium, called either "Show Girls" or "KoKo" depending upon who you ask. In a word, it's the anti-Aurora. More cabaret show than strip club, the focus is less on sex and more on titillation. Management encourages the girls - who act more like family than co-workers - to get to know their clients. That includes sitting with them for hours - chatting, smoking kalyan, and of course drinking. Very different than the "wham, bam, thank you sir" attitude at Aurora with its management wearing a permanent frown and keeping the girls in constant, unending rotation in hopes of driving up their revenues. And, interestingly enough, the management at Show Girls actually likes the girls to hook up with clients outside the club. The owner, apparently, met his wife in a strip club and I heard him boasting about how many girls from his club ended up marrying his clients and starting families! Not sure I'll hang out there often, but if you're looking for companionship, conversation and attention more than sex (which in this town, is trivial to find at any salon) then this is the place for you.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Yeah. That's why no one responded at all to my query.
Face it, there's a very small handful of us here who report on the nightclub (as opposed to stripclub) scene. Pretty much just Passepartout, Doc and myself. Speaking of which, the current scene is simply horrible. Where have all the attractive girls disappeared to? The question is, of course, rhetorical. This summer is a scorcher and the hot deffki have better things to do, better places to see than the sweaty interior of a downtown club. Recent visits to Che, Coyote Ugly and Real McCoy turned up very little of interest.
On a bright note, I had the unexpected pleasure of (re-)visiting the strip club in Olympic Stadium, called either "Show Girls" or "KoKo" depending upon who you ask. In a word, it's the anti-Aurora. More cabaret show than strip club, the focus is less on sex and more on titillation. Management encourages the girls. Who act more like family than co-workers. To get to know their clients. That includes sitting with them for hours. Chatting, smoking kalyan, and of course drinking. Very different than the "wham, bam, thank you sir" attitude at Aurora with its management wearing a permanent frown and keeping the girls in constant, unending rotation in hopes of driving up their revenues. And, interestingly enough, the management at Show Girls actually likes the girls to hook up with clients outside the club. The owner, apparently, met his wife in a strip club and I heard him boasting about how many girls from his club ended up marrying his clients and starting families! Not sure I'll hang out there often, but if you're looking for companionship, conversation and attention more than sex (which in this town, is trivial to find at any salon) then this is the place for you.[/QUOTE]Can you post the address of that club? And also are the women good looking or not really?
[QUOTE=Castonthis]Can you post the address of that club? And also are the women good looking or not really?[/QUOTE]www.showgirlsclub.ru
[QUOTE=Castonthis]Can you post the address of that club? And also are the women good looking or not really?[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the assist, Strav. And yes, the girls are quite good looking. Starting at 6s and working up to 9+ nearly-perfect ice princesses (or as they say in Russian, "snow queens"), including every shape/size/tint you could possibly want. I did notice that there was only a single black girl there (Aurora and Penthouse usually have more). From my brief discussions, seems that most of the girls are from the Moscow regions: Ryazan, Tver, Kaluga and so on. Of course if you ask a girl in a strip club (especially as a foreigner), they'll usually claim that they're from Moscow. But if you then start pressing them for info (and I know Moscow pretty well after 10 years), they'll usually cough up the goods on their real origin. Like I give a shit if they're native Moskvichki or not!
Was just reading the website (I think it's Russian only - sorry). And under "special offers", it states that sex is not allowed on the club premises, and that if you can prove to the contrary there's a guaranteed $300 reward. Good luck, boys! :)
BTW, I see that they have 2 karaoke places listed as "friends". And Metelitsa on New Arbat is also turning into a karaoke joint. Are the Mongol hordes invading Russia again? Speaking more directly to the point, has anybody had a real "KTV" experience here in Moscow? I'm not a huge KTV fan, but I have to admit that it's fun in groups occasionally.
P.
The website gives this address...
Москва. Олимпийский проспект 16. стр 1.
СК "Олимпийский" между 2 и 3 подъездом
and it says entry is at Club KOKO
вход в клуб "КОКО"
Is that your recollection, or is that just old info?
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Nick - if memory serves, you're a Kiwi, right? If so, you should know better. :)[/QUOTE]
I had a couple of PM’s over this one, so i better add - number one being what are you naming my nationality for?? And what are you trying to infer?? Especially considering what your nationality is, your really the last to try to infer anything upon anyones nationality )).
Pull your head in you dorky ex-pat. Stop being so smug and conceited ))
Face it, many people make worthwhile contributions to this forum.
Cheers Nickc
P.S. As for Showgirls Moscow, its a waste of space, strictly rules from the united states, window shopping only, and expensive window shopping at that.
The only club in that area is Penthouse. ))
[QUOTE=Nickc]Pull your head in you dorky ex-pat. Stop being so smug and conceited ))[/QUOTE]Nick,
Sad to say, but there aren't a lot of people who make worthwhile contributions to this forum on a regular basis. Of the members who are on the ground in Moscow and do have something valuable to contribute, there are only 2: Doc and Pizdyets.
The rest of us chime in, as and when we can, but the majority of the chatter is just people talking off the top of their head: a lot of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
BTW - Your insecurity is really very unflattering. Best keep it to yourself.
[QUOTE=Nickc]I had a couple of PM’s over this one, so i better add - number one being what are you naming my nationality for?? And what are you trying to infer?? Especially considering what your nationality is, your really the last to try to infer anything upon anyones nationality )).
[/QUOTE]
Chill out, mate, no need to go agro on my ass. Flame wars really aren't my thing. I simply guessed that you're a native English speaker, and should know that English needn't be taken so literally.
[QUOTE]
P.S. As for Showgirls Moscow, its a waste of space, strictly rules from the united states, window shopping only, and expensive window shopping at that.
[/QUOTE]
If you want sex ON SITE... it is NOT the place to go. But strip clubs are a bad deal when it comes to sex anyway. $300 per hour? That's some mighty pricey pussy. Standard price at salons, apartments or mamba is $80/hour.
[QUOTE]
The only club in that area is Penthouse.
[/QUOTE]
"That area" meaning Moscow? Because they're not proximally located. Aurora, in fact, is quite a bit closer to Show Girls than Penthouse.
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]P.
The website gives this address...
Москва. Олимпийский проспект 16. стр 1.
СК "Олимпийский" между 2 и 3 подъездом
and it says entry is at Club KOKO
вход в клуб "КОКО"
Is that your recollection, or is that just old info?[/QUOTE]
That's right. It's actually IN the Olympic Stadium. Going north on Olimpisky Prospect, you'll just pass the stadium when you'll see a paybooth and barrier to a ramp taking you to the second level parking lot. Go up the ramp, through the parking lot, and around to the back side of the stadium. It'll be the place with all the taxis lined up. :)
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Chill out, mate, no need to go agro on my ass. Flame wars really aren't my thing. I simply guessed that you're a native English speaker, and should know that English needn't be taken so literally.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for reply. Me chill out?? um! you talk about my nationality and make inferences of it, and then tell me to chill out?? wot ? If flame wars aren't your thing don't make inferences of others nationalities. I don't understand your "native English speaker" excuse, what nonsense. The PMs i had regards this were from other Kiwis working in Moscow. they know !! We don't go shoot our mouths of in Moscow about who we are.
To Stravinskie
There are more members on this forum on the ground in Moscow than you know. I'm quite secure in my report that Pizdyets has no business shooting of his mouth, even if he is your pal. I'm sorry if that makes you insecure. He attacks me and you blame me. Nonsense. Might i add where were you when Bez was making wild attacks on people in this forum? where was your report about his insecurity? He's your pal, thats the answer. So don't preach to me.
[QUOTE=Nickc]Thanks for reply. Me chill out?? um! you talk about my nationality and make inferences of it, and then tell me to chill out?? wot ? If flame wars aren't your thing don't make inferences of others nationalities. I don't understand your "native English speaker" excuse, what nonsense. The PMs i had regards this were from other Kiwis working in Moscow. they know !![/QUOTE]
Okay, answer this... what could I possibly have against Kiwis? You guys produce some of the best lamb and venison on the planet, not to mention Marlborough Sauvignon Blanc, Flight of the Conchords, Split Enz, legalized prostitution, Peter Jackson, Weta Digital, need I go on?
Seriously, this is just silly.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Okay, answer this... what could I possibly have against Kiwis? You guys produce some of the best lamb and venison on the planet, not to mention Marlborough Sauvignon Blanc, Flight of the Conchords, Split Enz, legalized prostitution, Peter Jackson, Weta Digital, need I go on?
Seriously, this is just silly.[/QUOTE]
Oh! stop it! stop it! your making feel bad. I love you to. Jesus! just stop it!
don't rub it in, its embarressing. I hate you! ) I'll never be able to make another report on here, except in response to another member P.S. to all, we're organising a supporters group from Russia to support Russia in next years Rugby World Cup in NZ. Russians and expats are coming. An abundance of foreign working girls will follow to that World Cup. They Play 4 games including the USA Sept 15. Goodbye
[QUOTE=Nickc]There are more members on this forum on the ground in Moscow than you know.[/QUOTE]You're absolutely right about that. If you will go back and read Pizdyets' first post, this is exactly what he was referring to. All of the guys who read this board on a regular basis and take info from it (or live vicariously off of it), but never once make the effort to contribute themselves. Apparently you know all of these guys personally, and you PM each other, to avoid being discovered. Pizdyets is simply saying that he's tired of carrying the load, that's all. So, instead of ragging his ass, why don't you step in and take over? Let's have some interesting, thoughtful, insightful and entertaining posts from [b]you[/b].
The only contribution I recall you making was an excellent report on Vladivostok, which was very much welcome since no one every seems to write about Vladivostok much. But then, Vladivostok is not Moscow, is it?
I never met Bez, don't know the guy, but if you had contributed as much to the ISG/WSG as he has, then I would let you rant and rave all you want to. Get another 1,000 posts, or so, under your belt first, before you can start throwing your weight around.
So, you're living in Moscow now, and you're pretty proud of yourself (you and your anonymous friends). Probably figure you've got the place sussed. Well, get over it fella, because when it comes to Moscow, you don't even know, what you don't know. You're just one in 30,000,000 and no one gives a rat's ass about you. If you're going to survive in Russia, you better have a thicker skin than that.
I have to admit, however, you are right about one thing. Your problem is not insecurity. It's paranoia.
[QUOTE=Nickc] support Russia in next years Rugby World Cup in NZ[/QUOTE]Honestly, among the FSU countries, Georgia has IMO much more chances. :p
To Stainvinsky -
"Pisveyts carrying the load"? what load? what are you on about? he writes some reports, big deal! No-one's saving the world here. What do you mean me "ragging his ass!" i responded to criticism. Fair enough. I have made many "interesting, thoughtful, insightful and entertaining posts" on this forum. If the only report of mine you can remember is a Vladivostok report well then your've got a very poor memory, thats not my problem. Don't preach to me, your sounding like a smug and deluded man. And as for Bez's posts, the majority of then are pure drivel. He's been running around other forums insulting others and getting his posts deleted and banned. He's on his final warning, next time he's gone. And i say good riddance to him. Its his kind of reports and pathetic criticism that has made many apprehensive about writing reports. And as for saying "you don't even know, what you don't know" don't be a dick, you really are smug and conceited. And as for my so called 'anonymous friends', i have kiwi friends in Moscow, so what ! big deal, am i supposed to name them or something. You confuse youself with someone who has something to say. Don't be the man whos head expanded. Your report creeps of paranoia. So what else have you got to shoot of about ?? here you are "ragging my ass!" you hypocrite! lets make one thing clear, after what you write, i don't care what you think. In fact if you did like what i wrote well then i would be questioning what i wrote.
Look in the mirror pal. Don't waste our time anymore on this. As Pisveyts said, its over. So get over it. Save you tic tac toe for someone who cares. Cheers Nickc
[QUOTE=Nickc]To Stainvinsky.
"Pisveyts carrying the load"? What load? What are you on about? He writes some reports, big deal! No-one's saving the world here. What do you mean me "ragging his ass! " I responded to criticism. Fair enough. I have made many "interesting, thoughtful, insightful and entertaining posts" on this forum. If the only report of mine you can remember is a Vladivostok report well then your've got a very poor memory, thats not my problem. Don't preach to me, your sounding like a smug and deluded man. And as for Bez's posts, the majority of then are pure drivel. He's been running around other forums insulting others and getting his posts deleted and banned. He's on his final warning, next time he's gone. And I say good riddance to him. Its his kind of reports and pathetic criticism that has made many apprehensive about writing reports. And as for saying "you don't even know, what you don't know" don't be a dick, you really are smug and conceited. And as for my so called 'anonymous friends', I have kiwi friends in Moscow, so what! Big deal, am I supposed to name them or something. You confuse youself with someone who has something to say. Don't be the man whos head expanded. Your report creeps of paranoia. So what else have you got to shoot of about? Here you are "ragging my ass! " you hypocrite! Lets make one thing clear, after what you write, I don't care what you think. In fact if you did like what I wrote well then I would be questioning what I wrote.
Look in the mirror pal. Don't waste our time anymore on this. As Pisveyts said, its over. So get over it. Save you tic tac toe for someone who cares. Cheers Nickc[/QUOTE]I like Bez's posts.
Nick,
Looking forward to your leadership of the Moscow board. :)
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Nick,
Looking forward to your leadership of the Moscow board. :)[/QUOTE]
I have already made many great reports on Moscow and sometimes only met criticism. What happens is that the meaningful reports are getting diluted down by nonsense.
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]if you had contributed as much to the ISG/WSG as he (Bez) has, then I would let you rant and rave all you want to.[/QUOTE]
I completely disagree that any senior member earns the right to attack and insult other members. Bez has actually been following others members of this forum on other threads and attacking them. In one instance he gloats about being their “king pain in the ass”. Some people are trying to make meaningful reports and others are just out to criticise. That’s the problem with this forum is aloof and smug senior members. Its that whole United Statesian thing of egotistically and vainly big mouthing others.
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Get another 1,000 posts, or so, under your belt first, before you can start throwing your weight around.[/QUOTE]
If I had a 1000 posts I’ld never do that to genuine members, I would only ever try to encourage them. The number of posts is completely irrelevant. Some members simply use this forum as some sort of social club and thats how they build up 900 posts etc.
Prehaps less is more, prehaps if no-one actually has anything real and meaningful to report prehaps the forum should go quiet until someone does. That would make it easier for anyone new to find meaningful information, and isn’t that the whole point of the forum? What happens is this forum gets diluted down with nonsense and fantasy reports and vain self important us Senior members like Bez attacking others.
Cheers Nickc
[QUOTE=Nickc] Its that whole United Statesian thing of egotistically and vainly big mouthing others. [/QUOTE]OK Nick, this time you have gone too far. This thread has gone from personal to national and now it's bordering on abusive. Let's end this discussion before someone says something they will regret.
Hello,
I need to know if there is any other expat club, except Ché, in Moscow and if there is any where we can dance salsa and "meet" girls?
Thanks
OK Jake. I’m with you. Believe me I heavily edited my response. I do reserve the right to respond when unfairly criticised and abused. I don’t believe that any senior member earns the right to attack and insult other members. Maybe it about time somebody spoke up and cleared the air. Cheers Nickc
[QUOTE=Toptraveler1]Hello,
I need to know if there is any other expat club, except Ché, in Moscow and if there is any where we can dance salsa and "meet" girls?
Thanks[/QUOTE]
I saw Salsa at Karma bar Club, it looks great, i'ld love to give it a go. They do classes there as well. What a great idea. Thanks for the suggestion. I'm sure you could google their website, or just go there and ask. Its at the beginning of Pushechnaya Street.
[QUOTE=Toptraveler1]Hello,
I need to know if there is any other expat club, except Ché, in Moscow and if there is any where we can dance salsa and "meet" girls?
Thanks[/QUOTE] It's been over a year since I have been there, but Pancho Villa is (was) a great place with a following if luscious babes who love to salsa dance. It is located on Leninsky Prospect near the President Hotel. There is (was) a core group if girls who have been to Cuba several times to perfect the art plus a whole gaggle of wanna-be's who are eager to find a dance partner.
Girls + latin music + alcohol = sex (well, almost always)
Boa sorte!!!! Suerte!!!
[QUOTE=Jake993]It's been over a year since I have been there, but Pancho Villa is (was) a great place with a following if luscious babes who love to salsa dance. It is located on Leninsky Prospect near the President Hotel. There is (was) a core group if girls who have been to Cuba several times to perfect the art plus a whole gaggle of wanna-be's who are eager to find a dance partner.
Girls + latin music + alcohol = sex (well, almost always)
Boa sorte!!!! Suerte!!![/QUOTE]
Karma Bar is done (ie don't bother - recent trips there have been D-E-A-D, even on weekend nights)
Pancho Villa is okay (and it's 2 min walk from Oktyabrskaya metro)
Staraya Gabana (Old Havana) is a place worthy of checking out (Fri/Sat, mainly), even though it's outside of downtown.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Karma Bar is done (ie don't bother - recent trips there have been D-E-A-D, even on weekend nights)
Pancho Villa is okay (and it's 2 min walk from Oktyabrskaya metro)
Staraya Gabana (Old Havana) is a place worthy of checking out (Fri/Sat, mainly), even though it's outside of downtown.[/QUOTE]
Just remembered... Tiki Bar has salsa every Tuesday: [url]http://www.tiki-bar.ru/[/url] Lessons start at 7pm, and then there's a an open "party" until 1am.
Thank you for these informations. But where is exactly Staraya Gabana? IS there the same kind of clients than in downtown?
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Karma Bar is done (ie don't bother - recent trips there have been D-E-A-D, even on weekend nights)
Pancho Villa is okay (and it's 2 min walk from Oktyabrskaya metro)
Staraya Gabana (Old Havana) is a place worthy of checking out (Fri/Sat, mainly), even though it's outside of downtown.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Toptraveler1]Thank you for these informations. But where is exactly Staraya Gabana? IS there the same kind of clients than in downtown?[/QUOTE]
You wouldn't believe how well these new-fangled things called [b]internet search engines[/b] work! I mean, you just enter in a few keywords like "Staraya", "Gabana" and maybe, say... "Moscow", and low-and-behold, the appropriate URLs pop up just like magic. There's one in particular that I've been using as of late with the curious name of "Google". Mark my words, boys, my spidey-sense says that these guys might be onto something big!
No, no... I'm going about this all wrong. ALL WRONG. Word has it that four out of five Kiwis lurkers on this forum already find me "smug", and I'm doing the exact darn thing that will reinforce that opinion. Therefore as an act of recompense, I'll google the club myself, excruciatingly filter through dozens of possible leads with a fine mesh sieve and serve it up in a hypoallergenic bottle with a nipple anatomically-identical to Russia's self-proclaimed "Most Famous Pornstar", Elena Berkova.
And it's even in English!
[url]http://www.old-havana.ru/?page=restarsn&lang=en[/url]
P.
Home alone again on a Sunday afternoon, eh? You really should get out more. ;)
[quote=stravinsky]p.
home alone again on a sunday afternoon, eh? you really should get out more. ;)[/quote]
i'm way ahead of you, strav. 11 time zones, in fact. :)
doesn't dismiss the fact that yes, i was alone in my flat at midnight. <sniff>
sour grapes aside, it's too hot here for sex. went out on friday with a friend and the clubs had half the crowds as usual. and it's clear why: each was between 35 and 40 degrees inside. and you could just imagine the smell. as a native would say: "foo!"
All the times I'm not in Moscow (or Kiev) a couple of identical twins appears on the market. So angry!
I see heavily photoshooped, but somebody gave them a try? No report on sextalk...
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=100404[/url]
I'm just curious. May be it's a fake...
IT
[QUOTE=It Travel]All the times I'm not in Moscow (or Kiev) a couple of identical twins appears on the market. So angry!
I see heavily photoshooped, but somebody gave them a try? No report on sextalk...
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=100404[/url]
I'm just curious. May be it's a fake...
IT[/QUOTE]
Nice, puts me in mind of our hero's Russian twins adventure that I am sure you are familiar with. Ines & Inga.This link is just a preview but the full version can not be hard to find on the net. I myself have it on disc.
[url]http://www.pornstarnetwork.com/video/ines-inga-18776.html[/url]
A another Woodman classic.
AM
[QUOTE=Angus Magee]Nice, puts me in mind of our hero's Russian twins adventure that I am sure you are familiar with. Ines & Inga.This link is just a preview but the full version can not be hard to find on the net. I myself have it on disc.
[url]http://www.pornstarnetwork.com/video/ines-inga-18776.html[/url]
A another Woodman classic.
AM[/QUOTE]
Woodman is a real master... two 19/20 y.o. identical twins... skinny and petite, unfortunately I prefer those seeming Russian (blonde etc.), but of ourse if I found them in the bed... I'll let them stay! :p :p :p
Seen the trailer and the thumbs... Woodman I think one of the most envied man on earth, but when you do twins (not done yet) or sisters (several times, four couples) you have to get them both in bed and wander from pink to pink...
May be now Bez says I'm a perverted man...
IT
They are not Russian but Latvian.
And not identical twins for sure.
Ines is 1,5 years old than Inga.
Look here:
[url]http://www.eurobabeindex.com/sbandoindex/ines.html[/url]
[url]http://www.eurobabeindex.com/sbandoindex/inga.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Kurenda]They are not Russian but Latvian.
And not identical twins for sure.
Ines is 1,5 years old than Inga.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but close enough I would say for me. I am not that insistent that the girls be 100% factual & honest. Just make the story at least plausible so I don't look too big a fool believing it;)
[QUOTE=It Travel]
I see heavily photoshooped, but somebody gave them a try? No report on sextalk...
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=100404[/url]
I'm just curious. May be it's a fake...
[/QUOTE]
Yeah, even the pics look fake. Worth checking out though. :)
Solntsa Yada and I were in Violette last year and he had a couple of girls dancing for him. He leaned over and said "hey, I think these girls are twins!" Hmm... I thought about it. They did look similar but with different hair styles and slightly different heights due to the shoes they were wearing. He asked them, and sure enough... they're twins. He asked how much for the night. I can't remember the number, but I recall something in the range of 500 bucks. He got the digits, but upon calling the next month, they'd already changed it. Can't say that twins are my personal fantasy or anything - I prefer my threesomes to have a lesbian component - but it is definitely a box which needs ticking.
[QUOTE=Angus Magee]Yeah, but close enough I would say for me. I am not that insistent that the girls be 100% factual & honest. Just make the story at least plausible so I don't look too big a fool believing it;)[/QUOTE]
As I drill heavily some of my sponsored/pros, they just need to akt as... If I am taking the ass to a petite, and at breakfast she says I'm a sex maniac and she can't sit for a while that makes me just more hornier (I know it's not true), just a role game...
But it's delicious and fun...
IT
[QUOTE=It Travel]All the times I'm not in Moscow (or Kiev) a couple of identical twins appears on the market. So angry!
I see heavily photoshooped, but somebody gave them a try? No report on sextalk...
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=100404[/url]
I'm just curious. May be it's a fake...
IT[/QUOTE]14k for the night is not bad for the two of them, and with all the boxes ticked, in my local area too!
Cheers
Dear ISG Friends,
I am travelling to Moscow 08-10. 08. 2010 for a meeting. I will be having a very tight schedule and most probably only a few hours for some "action". But I have made it a tradition to have at least one encounter per country I visit.
I will have to rely this time entirely on a Pro since time is very limited.
I went through this Forum and couldn't find "the" place to go. For example in Kiev there "was" RP, in Rio there was "Help" (I visited both by the way), in Thailand you go to Soi Cowboy or Nana or Patpong. So where is the place to go in Moscow? Where I can find some action without getting riped off. I read the Forum and other Travel reports in the "Distinction reports" but couldn't find any place where fun is guaranteed. I also contacted already some P4P through Mamba. But haven't got any replies yet.
Any trusted Escort services that you can recomend?
Thanks,
Easyease
[QUOTE=Easyease]Dear ISG Friends,
I am travelling to Moscow 08-10. 08. 2010 for a meeting. I will be having a very tight schedule and most probably only a few hours for some "action". But I have made it a tradition to have at least one encounter per country I visit.
I will have to rely this time entirely on a Pro since time is very limited.
I went through this Forum and couldn't find "the" place to go. For example in Kiev there "was" RP, in Rio there was "Help" (I visited both by the way), in Thailand you go to Soi Cowboy or Nana or Patpong. So where is the place to go in Moscow? Where I can find some action without getting riped off. I read the Forum and other Travel reports in the "Distinction reports" but couldn't find any place where fun is guaranteed. I also contacted already some P4P through Mamba. But haven't got any replies yet.
Any trusted Escort services that you can recomend?
Thanks,
Easyease[/QUOTE]I have been in Moscow for almost two weeks and the few places that always get mentioned like Nightflight and Hotdogs are absolutely terrible. Old pros you could find in any city. The girls in the strip clubs such as Safari and Penthouse appear to have been Stalinized. No spirit.
Although I am battling hundred degree days, I can really see the potential of this town. Will be investing in some language courses and plan to stay awhile.
If anybody has any tips, would appreciate.
Well, the obvious solution for you is Night Flight, which is like River Palace on steriods (or silicone, as the case may be). Yes, it is all pro, or semi-pro, and overpriced, but easy and moderately reliable. I see reports here of girls asking $500, but I would imagine you could get away with $300, for a couple of hours.
Whether you get "action without being ripped off" will depend to a certain extent on your shark-avoidance instincts and somewhat on good luck. I had good luck there. However, that was a few years ago and the previous poster, who is "in theatre" currently may have better information. But your situations are different - he has time to hunt and you do not.
Give Night Flight a try, even if just for the experience of seeing so many silicone-packed blondes in one room at a time.
Enjoy,
GT
[QUOTE=Easyease]Dear ISG Friends,
I am travelling to Moscow 08-10. 08. 2010 for a meeting. I will be having a very tight schedule and most probably only a few hours for some "action". But I have made it a tradition to have at least one encounter per country I visit.
I will have to rely this time entirely on a Pro since time is very limited.
I went through this Forum and couldn't find "the" place to go. For example in Kiev there "was" RP, in Rio there was "Help" (I visited both by the way), in Thailand you go to Soi Cowboy or Nana or Patpong. So where is the place to go in Moscow? Where I can find some action without getting riped off. I read the Forum and other Travel reports in the "Distinction reports" but couldn't find any place where fun is guaranteed. I also contacted already some P4P through Mamba. But haven't got any replies yet.
Any trusted Escort services that you can recomend?
Thanks,
Easyease[/QUOTE]
Hello, there!
Thought I'd share my experiences for the first two weeks in Moscow. Possibly some useful information for the members planning a trip to this town that have no Russian language skills, friends, and contacts.
Moscow is simply not a mongering town unless you can speak some basic Russian or have a guide. You will always have that creeping feeling at the back of your neck of complete helplessness if you have a real problem. You will be holding your passport tight and wondering what would happen if I lost it. Would be different if there was no visa issue.
The positive side is the people quality is amazing. I have never seen so many beautiful women. If your looking for a girlfriend or long term mongering opportunities, this is the town. Seems to be an imbalance between boy and girl. Lots of odd couples(ugly guy with pretty girl).
I do not know what kind of interest the average Muscovite would have towards a foreigner, but I do sense strongly the neediness of some girls. The key factor which makes all the magic happen.
In summary, do not come here unless you have the time and money. If you do, this place is seducing.
[QUOTE=Climaxnow]I have been in Moscow for almost two weeks and the few places that always get mentioned like Nightflight and Hotdogs are absolutely terrible. Old pros you could find in any city. The girls in the strip clubs such as Safari and Penthouse appear to have been Stalinized. No spirit.
Although I am battling hundred degree days, I can really see the potential of this town. Will be investing in some language courses and plan to stay awhile.
If anybody has any tips, would appreciate.[/QUOTE]
Easyease & Climaxnow
Shame to hear the Safari is now sanitized. Used to be a blast with $3.00 lap dances and 5 rooms in the back for full service.
Try ***girls-students.ru for home delivery. My experiences with them have been some of my best in Moscow but it's been a while. I have read reports that were less than perfect. In many cases had the monger handled thing correctly I believe results would have improved.
Suggestions:
Do not think with your dick.......
Book them as early in the days possible before they are tired. Tell the agency exactly what you like in looks and attitude. They may have valuable suggestions.
Tell the agency & escort you have just moved to Moscow and will be there for an extended period. Both will be looking for repeat business.
Wrong girl shows up or does not look like the photos, send her back with no cab fare and call the agency.
Clearly negotiate the expected services when the girl arrives. If you cannot agree in terms send her back with cab fare.
DO NOT PAY ADVANCE ........- DO NOT PAY ADVANCE...........
If she demands payment show her the money and DO NOT PAY IN ADVANCE....... Simply tell her work 1st then payment 2nd.
If she does not perform as per agreement do not pay and call the agency.
If all goes well and you have a great time. Give her cab fare and a tip, and then get her cell number to see her without paying the agency.
Just my .02 rubles. YMMV
Guido88
[QUOTE=Climaxnow]
In summary, do not come here unless you have the time and money. If you do, this place is seducing.[/QUOTE]
Quite an accurate summary, Climaxnow, and this is coming from someone who has lived in Moscow for 10 years. If wh0ring is your sole goal, then you [b]should not choose Moscow as your destination.[/b] There are so many other places with better infrastructure for it.
That said, Doc and I were recently kicking back on Kamergersky for a midnight snack and even our jaded eyes were awed of the talent walking by. No less than 80% of the female population was fuckable and that's by our admittedly high standards. I will put Moscow girls against any others in the world. They have it all: class, style and looks. But you're right, to bag one you need a decent amount of cash and/or looks and/or style, and a healthy dose of confidence. I've had friends who spoke little to no Russian score well here, but they usually had a guide (ie me) around to translate for them and get them around town. Moscow can definitely be intimidating, especially for a first time visitor.
Or in other words: read this fucking forum! Men don't read before they waste rivers of money (for a low service)!
Thanks to Guido88, a good suggestion.
Anyway the question remains: maybe it is better to pay much less for a real service not in Moscow instead to pay too much for a low service in Moscow.
Men don't understand: if a deepthroat swallow blowjob in Italy is quoted 20/30 euros, it is not possible to pay more for the same in Moscow, because the economy is globalized and the same service is trending to an average price in all over the world: who has got a huge price difference, she will go out the market soon or later. Meanwhile, she cheats thousands of silly men with no mercy!
When I first logged on to ISG's site, the first thing I noticed was the comparable activity between Moscow and Kiev's forums. I assumed they were equal mongering towns. Here is why they are not.
Moscow's true beauty lies in the diversity of its peoples personalities and not their looks. Many gold diggers but many more women here that want to live with dignity. The members commonly on this forum never reveal that the hotties they bang are only a side treat in there search for a quality girl. They are well aware that with some time and effort they will find a nice girl that will probably be very attractive. Something that may be much more difficult back home. Mongering in Moscow is Russian on Russian.
Are there any photomodeli saloon in Moscow, or do they just located in SPT? I searched the forum but couldn't find any clue for Moscow. Seems web site doesn't exist any more.
Guys, this is what we have here today. Marsian landscape, +43C, smog, no fresh air, flights delayed.
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]Guys, this is what we have here today. Marsian landscape, +43C, smog, no fresh air, flights delayed.[/QUOTE]
That'a a shame, this is not the best to have a good view of Kryastnia Plositch !
Where are located the Tocha's of Moscow. Are they fixed locations? What is the best way to get a Tocha and take her to my hotel room, a Taxi driver?
Best is near Prospekt Mira, more than 30 girls,
Price from 8500 to 15000 are for the night.
Easy to go by taxi.
Several other tochkas, 5 to 15 girls, on the road to Yaroslav just after MKAD.
[QUOTE=Creature2]Where are located the Tocha's of Moscow. Are they fixed locations? What is the best way to get a Tocha and take her to my hotel room, a Taxi driver?[/QUOTE]
They float. And yes, find a taxi driver, and negotiate the price in advance (say 1000R to get there, try at least 3 tochki and return to your hotel).
[QUOTE=Creature2]Where are located the Tocha's of Moscow. Are they fixed locations? What is the best way to get a Tocha and take her to my hotel room, a Taxi driver?[/QUOTE]
Hi Creature,
Might I suggest that you have a look at Pizdyets' most excellent piece from a couple months back on his evening (rather late night early morning) Tochka adventure.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=1028295&postcount=3858[/url]
As the nature of the Tochka is that it is not permanently based anywhere, rather it floats in certain back ally Moscow neighborhoods, the report can not tell you exactly where to go. But it does capture beautifully the essence of the experience, its' uncertainties and, what I call in my blog piece about the report, < [url]http://www.angusmagee.com/?p=51[/url] > the Monger's soul.
AM
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]Guys, this is what we have here today. Marsian landscape, +43C, smog, no fresh air, flights delayed.[/QUOTE]
Helena, it sounds awful!
Are the forest fires still burning around Moscow?
I guess the air quality if very bad? I heard everyone is wearing masks.
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]Guys, this is what we have here today. Marsian landscape, +43C, smog, no fresh air, flights delayed.[/QUOTE] Helena, Thanks for posting these photos. I feel for you. Hope you get some relief and some fresh air soon.
[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]Helena, it sounds awful!
Are the forest fires still burning around Moscow?
I guess the air quality if very bad? I heard everyone is wearing masks.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jake993]Helena, Thanks for posting these photos. I feel for you. Hope you get some relief and some fresh air soon.[/QUOTE]Hi, Guys.
These pictures I made yesterday at 9 o'clock in the morning. I left for Red Square at 6, because it was so hot that I thought if I go out later I'll fry. Metro was full of people with suitcases, who rushed in the direction of Komsomolskaya where we have trains. Sunday morning. Noone sleeps. Airports didn't work properly because of bad visibility, but trains still run. At 6 the fog was grey, by 9 became yellow. Some people had masks, but few. I only saw 1 grandmother, but she ran so quickly that I couldn't capture.
Today fog disappeared. They promise by Wednesday cold weather +11C or so. But it's hard to believe. But we hope and don't mind some rain or snow.
Death rates in the city doubled this week.
Doctors are afraid to speak.
Shhhh!
Everything is fine.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Solntsa Yada and I were in Violette last year and he had a couple of girls dancing for him. He leaned over and said "hey, I think these girls are twins! " Hmm. I thought about it. They did look similar but with different hair styles and slightly different heights due to the shoes they were wearing. He asked them, and sure enough. They're twins. He asked how much for the night. I can't remember the number, but I recall something in the range of 500 bucks. He got the digits, but upon calling the next month, they'd already changed it.[/QUOTE]Follow up on that, we bumped into them at Hotdogs I grabbed their new numbers and since they remembered me, wrote 15k on the card, I rang the number to confirm, Olga and Lena are still using the number, but not during weekends (my Russian is bad though, maybe they meant only on weekends).
Lena doesn't mind licking her sister, but Olga didn't reciprocate. But when a twin is licking her sister while your 3-4 inches deep in her ass. You don't really care.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]This is almost laughable. How you could get all this (useless) information, and not have a simple STREET ADDRESS is beyond me. I was transliterating from Cyrillic to Latin characters (with no prior Russian study) on my first trip to Moscow. It looks intimidating at first, but it's not that hard. Really.
I will not post on this topic any more. I've offered you the best advice I could, and that was to [b]hire a private investigator before setting foot in Russia[/b]. You are less than useless here, and as many have already pointed out, there's a really good chance of you getting injured [I]or worse[/I] should you go about this on your own.[/QUOTE]Sex wanderer is back after long weeks of investigation into the vietnamese hideout. The address is MOCKBA A? Y? E?? E? P?, block 7, 5th floor!
Hi Piayets, can you please translate this address to me in english please so that I can pronouce it when I am there in moscow. I want to take this advanture to new heights!
Please
Anyone know this place? MOCKBA A? Y? E?? E? P? Block 7 5th floor
I need to go for the vietnamese rescue part 2!
[QUOTE=Sex Wanderer]Sex wanderer is back after long weeks of investigation into the vietnamese hideout. The address is MOCKBA A? Y? E?? E? P?, block 7, 5th floor!
Hi Piayets, can you please translate this address to me in english please so that I can pronouce it when I am there in moscow. I want to take this advanture to new heights!
Please[/QUOTE]
MOCKBA = Moskva = Moscow
AYEEP? Assuming that's Cyrllic, then the Latinized version would be AUEER, which means absolutely nothing to me.
Again, your information is worthless, and I can't help but think that you're toying with all of us.
[QUOTE=Solntsa Yada]Follow up on that, we bumped into them at Hotdogs I grabbed their new numbers and since they remembered me, wrote 15k on the card, I rang the number to confirm, Olga and Lena are still using the number, but not during weekends (my Russian is bad though, maybe they meant only on weekends).
Lena doesn't mind licking her sister, but Olga didn't reciprocate. But when a twin is licking her sister while your 3-4 inches deep in her ass. You don't really care.[/QUOTE]
Damn you all to hell, SY! Don't you know that Soylent Green is people, you dirty ape?
More importantly, why wasn't I invited to that party?!?
[QUOTE=Sex Wanderer]Sex wanderer is back after long weeks of investigation into the vietnamese hideout. The address is MOCKBA A? Y? E?? E? P?, block 7, 5th floor!
Hi Piayets, can you please translate this address to me in english please so that I can pronouce it when I am there in moscow. I want to take this advanture to new heights!
Please[/QUOTE]Hm, seems that the address in Russian is not correctly displayed here on forum for whatever reason (this happens to me when I try to write something in Russian here). Maybe you can google-map it? I'm one of those who'd appreciate this info
How did you find the address anyways?
More than 30 girls? and how old are they?
Which kind of appeareance have they?
[QUOTE=Chercheur]Best is near Prospekt Mira, more than 30 girls,
Price from 8500 to 15000 are for the night.
Easy to go by taxi.
Several other tochkas, 5 to 15 girls, on the road to Yaroslav just after MKAD.[/QUOTE]
From the Economist:
"Yet it is Russia’s self-destructive streak that has turned testing weather into a tragedy. In the past two months over 2,000 people have drowned trying to escape the heat by dunking themselves in lakes and rivers. (For comparison, 13,000 Soviet soldiers died during the ten-year Afghan campaign.) Fully 90% of them were drunken men, say officials."
... so 1800 Russian males have won the Darwin award and removed themselves from the gene pool and from competition for the delightful dyevs who were not drunken and did not drown. And think of the number of drunken men who must have gone into the river yet were not quite so unlucky as to drown!
Whenever we wonder why there are so many gorgeous, sexy, smart Russian women available and interested in Westerners like us, we just have to remember the drunks, losers and gopniks that they have to choose from at home.
Cheers,
GT
[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]Whenever we wonder why there are so many gorgeous, sexy, smart Russian women available and interested in Westerners like us, we just have to remember the drunks, losers and gopniks that they have to choose from at home.[/QUOTE]+1. The "eligible male" to female ratio in this part of the world is IMO something like 1:5.
[QUOTE=Acolonizer]More than 30 girls? and how old are they?
Which kind of appeareance have they?[/QUOTE]Seems to me that they are in their early 20's
All dressed up like a devuchka (+ they all want to be chosen as early as possible)
The top end (15000) tall and thin, low end (8500) more average.
Although I did only see them at night (in the beams of the car), the quality seems very good.
The taxi driver said there are good tochkas 30-45 minutes drive off MKAD, I did not go, but I am interested in any information.
As many of you faithful ISG readers know, I have been a somewhat steady supporter of one of the two hooker bars in Moscow, namely Hot Dog (aka Boar House aka Chesterfields).
Well, those days are over.
I've been withholding judgment for the past few visits, but it's become evident that the current management is complete shit. And not just any shit, but the runny slimy stuff that comes after you've had too much to drink and not nearly enough fibre. The girls inside are all washed-up 30-something hags with no new blood whatsoever. In chatting with the girls it seems that the current "door tax" is now 100 US dollars, which means that price is being passed directly to you and me. Therefore, the quality of girls there is just ridiculously low compared to what you could get on the internet or even, hell, NightFlight! For the same price, you could hit a tochka or even a high-priced brothel (eg charmel.biz or fantasys.nu) and get a much better return on your investment.
Fuck these guys. I will never be back for as long as I should live in Moscow.
P.
What exactly was the straw that finally broke the camel's back?
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]What exactly was the straw that finally broke the camel's back?[/QUOTE]
It wasn't anything in particular. But I was there last night and simply disgusted by it. And that takes a lot.
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]And so it ends, not with a whimper but a bang.[/QUOTE]
He did not say it ended with a bang. Sounds more like a wimper...
If Pizdyets has decided never to set foot in Hot Dog's again, then I think there must have been a bang... somewhere.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]
Fuck these guys. I will never be back for as long as I should live in Moscow.[/QUOTE]
Damn Piz, that could be a loooong time!!!!!