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I hope this doesn't sound like a dumb question, but I would like some perspective from someone who has spent time and Thailand and maybe other parts of Asia, as well. I was recently planning MY FIRST TRIP to the LOS. I've wanted to visit Thailand forever, but always got diverted to Europe because I have long had connections there. After my last trip to Berlin (you can feel free to check my trip reports), my longtime friend in Berlin said "Before you come back here, you should visit Asia, first. ".
Naturally, I've been reading up on Thailand here and on other sites. But, I also checked out some Thai dating sites (I have a background in "shoring") and WOW. The first thing that struck me was that the women look much, much younger than their age. Some women in their 30's I've seen, and even chatted with, look like they are in their teens. Some in their forties look like 20-somethings. So naturally the red flag goes up. Can this be true?
I'm not totally unfamiliar with Asian people. I live in a Dallas suburb where maybe a third of the people are Asian. However, these are mostly Viet Namese and Chinese, and not an attractive bunch. I never noticed any lack of aging or youthfulness. A lot of them do look really old, actually. I had a douchebag boss, who dated a Vietnamese girl (apparently a much younger woman) and he said "Asians all look like they are 16 until they turn 40". I didn't give it much thought, because he was such a douchebag.
So what is the opinion from you guys who have been in Thailand? Am I looking at digitally altered photos? Are these scammers, maybe. Or does youth pervade the Land of Smiles. If so, won't that also mean that mongers may not be engaging with such young girls after all?
Thanks for your feedback.
[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1807478]I hope this doesn't sound like a dumb question, but I would like some perspective from someone who has spent time and Thailand and maybe other parts of Asia, as well. I was recently planning MY FIRST TRIP to the LOS. I've wanted to visit Thailand forever, but always got diverted to Europe because I have long had connections there. After my last trip to Berlin (you can feel free to check my trip reports), my longtime friend in Berlin said "Before you come back here, you should visit Asia, first. ".
Naturally, I've been reading up on Thailand here and on other sites. But, I also checked out some Thai dating sites (I have a background in "shoring") and WOW. The first thing that struck me was that the women look much, much younger than their age. Some women in their 30's I've seen, and even chatted with, look like they are in their teens. Some in their forties look like 20-somethings. So naturally the red flag goes up. Can this be true?
I'm not totally unfamiliar with Asian people. I live in a Dallas suburb where maybe a third of the people are Asian. However, these are mostly Viet Namese and Chinese, and not an attractive bunch. I never noticed any lack of aging or youthfulness. A lot of them do look really old, actually. I had a douchebag boss, who dated a Vietnamese girl (apparently a much younger woman) and he said "Asians all look like they are 16 until they turn 40". I didn't give it much thought, because he was such a douchebag.
So what is the opinion from you guys who have been in Thailand? Am I looking at digitally altered photos? Are these scammers, maybe. Or does youth pervade the Land of Smiles. If so, won't that also mean that mongers may not be engaging with such young girls after all?
Thanks for your feedback.[/QUOTE]Simple answer is YES, Thai girls can look much younger than they actually are, up to nearly 20 years younger in extreme cases.
I also am not attracted by the majority of Vietnamese and Chinese girls in my home country. Generally they have a different look to Thais. Chinese originating from certain areas often tend to have round puffy face, very slanty eyes and relatively straight bodies at the waist to thigh area. Some gorgeous girl exceptions like movie star Shu Gi (probably spelled wrong) in "The Transporter". Thais can be very ugly also or can be quite cute. Personally I prefer Thai, Japanese and Philippine looks over Chinese and Vietnamese in general. There are always exceptions.
Thai girls that look after themselves, don't go to fat, use the right face creams, etc. , can have almost no face skin wrinkles at age 50. I know one such girl very well. She is 49 now. No face wrinkles. I had plenty of wrinkles at 35. She is slim, petite, small face, perfect nose, and could pass for 30 to 35. Even other Thais that are much younger than her, think they are older. When she was nearly 40 years old, on entering a disco, they would want to check her ID to make sure she was at least 18. That is how little that westeners could tell about her age.
So the simple answer is, Asian girls in particular can hold their looks with extreme longevity in some cases. Sometimes people have thought mother and daughter, were sisters. That is all without any face lift operations. My GF is 40. With makeup on, she could maybe look as young as 30. Without makeup, possibly not looking that young, as needs a bit more flesh on the face perhaps, but her figure is still perfection. No fat, no noticeable sag. Naked still looks damn hot. I am not bored with her looks at all. She is somewhat smaller than her teenage daughter, who is a bigger build. Another Thai girl I have known over 20 years is just about 43. Her body is not perfect but still quite good. Unfortunately her face has deteriorated quite a bit, looking at bit patchy in colouring these days. Who knows why different girls deteriorate at different rates, but her looks are well behind those of my GF even she was very cute 20 years ago. She could not afford the expensive face creams but I have no idea if that is relevant or not. Some Thai girls have let themselves go and deteriorated quite badly at the age of just 25. There is no one pattern for all.
I recall being amazed when in Sweden. Some of the young girls looked extremely stunning, and yet most of the middle aged women seemed to have aged very badly. No idea why this is the case. Perhaps western people get too much sun while Asians know better and try to stay out of the sun. The suns rays have a very severe aging effect. My example young looking girl aged 49 is a chef. Sleeps through most of the day and works from afternoon to night time. Sees very little sun. Uses Lancome to look after her skin. Doesn't eat that much.
Other day I fucked this very cute Coyote dancer about to turn 28. Looked about 19 very easily. No signs of age at all.
Personally I don't care about the age as long as sge is old enough and mature enough. If she looks damn good I don't care if she is older than her look.
[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1807478]I hope this doesn't sound like a dumb question, but I would like some perspective from someone who has spent time and Thailand and maybe other parts of Asia, as well. I was recently planning MY FIRST TRIP to the LOS. I've wanted to visit Thailand forever, but always got diverted to Europe because I have long had connections there. After my last trip to Berlin (you can feel free to check my trip reports), my longtime friend in Berlin said "Before you come back here, you should visit Asia, first. ".
Naturally, I've been reading up on Thailand here and on other sites. But, I also checked out some Thai dating sites (I have a background in "shoring") and WOW. The first thing that struck me was that the women look much, much younger than their age. Some women in their 30's I've seen, and even chatted with, look like they are in their teens. Some in their forties look like 20-somethings. So naturally the red flag goes up. Can this be true?
I'm not totally unfamiliar with Asian people. I live in a Dallas suburb where maybe a third of the people are Asian. However, these are mostly Viet Namese and Chinese, and not an attractive bunch. I never noticed any lack of aging or youthfulness. A lot of them do look really old, actually. I had a douchebag boss, who dated a Vietnamese girl (apparently a much younger woman) and he said "Asians all look like they are 16 until they turn 40". I didn't give it much thought, because he was such a douchebag.
So what is the opinion from you guys who have been in Thailand? Am I looking at digitally altered photos? Are these scammers, maybe. Or does youth pervade the Land of Smiles. If so, won't that also mean that mongers may not be engaging with such young girls after all?
Thanks for your feedback.[/QUOTE]Of course I don't know at which photo's you have been looking and it might very well be possible that the photos have been "shopped" or (more likely) that they have been taken a few (or even several few) years ago. You never can be certain.
However, it is so that Asian women keep a youthful appearance for a long time. My Thai GFs are now 40 and 41 but will have no trouble to pass as women in their early 30's and that is even without wearing make-up!
The only way to make certain with the dating site girls is to ask them to do a cam session. Then you immediately know if they are "real" or not, but I'm quite sure the odds will be in your favor. At least that has been my experience until now.
Thanks Wolvenvacht and Syzygies for your input and experiences. I am sure this will benefit other readers curious about Thai women. I had a bit of skepticism that these women could look so much younger than their years. I am from the school of thought that rationalizes "if it seems too good to be true, it probably isn't true". But sometimes there is an exception.
As to Wolvenvacht's suggestion that I cam them to see what they really look like - some women I have connected with are already wanting to the same. They want to see what I really look like. It seems to work both ways. Its so easy to steal other's photos off the internet.
Now I have to wonder, why do so many of these women online post photos at the beach, where they are wearing t-shirts and shorts in the water? Do Thais often wear clothes when wading into the ocean (as they do in Mexico and Oklahoma)?
[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1807934]Now I have to wonder, why do so many of these women online post photos at the beach, where they are wearing t-shirts and shorts in the water? Do Thais often wear clothes when wading into the ocean (as they do in Mexico and Oklahoma)?[/QUOTE]A very cultural thing. Thais are in love with white skin. Tanned skin means farmers and lower-class workers who work outside.
Actually the very first thing my previous Thai GF did when she met me, was apologizing for her tanned skin and I had a lot of explaining to do why I really love her tanned skin.
So on the beach and in the water, wearing a t-shirt is quite a normal thing to do for them. Can you believe I never managed my Thai GFs to wear a bikini?
So I did the next best thing and bought them some sexy underwear. At least they wear that in the bedroom. And it made my reputation of being "jai dee" ("good heart") as it appeared that none of her previous (Thai) BFs ever bought her underwear. The fact that I really went into a lingerie store and bought underwear for hem still has her amazed to no end.
Just to say that one can use the difference in culture to your benefit as well.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1808014]A very cultural thing. Thais are in love with white skin. Tanned skin means farmers and lower-class workers who work outside.
Actually the very first thing my previous Thai GF did when she met me, was apologizing for her tanned skin and I had a lot of explaining to do why I really love her tanned skin.
Just to say that one can use the difference in culture to your benefit as well.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your insight. I am in contact with a few girls already. If we meet up, maybe I should take her to the mall, stroll past a lingerie shop and ask if she wants to look around.
I wondered if modesty was an issue in Thai culture. Another ex-pat monger on his blog commented that the "nice girls" good girl type don't show so much flesh, don't wear tops with bare shoulders, and probably never have a tattoo. That was his take on how to recognize a "bad girl" slutty girl. Not that he was being judgmental or anything, just giving hints. Any truth to that?
Yes it does sound odd that they are fixated on light skin. Another poster here commented recently on how he picked up an Isaan girl in a club and she apologized for her dark skin. Personally, I like the caramel skin.
[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1808431]I wondered if modesty was an issue in Thai culture. Another ex-pat monger on his blog commented that the "nice girls" good girl type don't show so much flesh, don't wear tops with bare shoulders, and probably never have a tattoo. That was his take on how to recognize a "bad girl" slutty girl. Not that he was being judgmental or anything, just giving hints. Any truth to that?
[/QUOTE]I think calling tattoos the "tramp stamp" or thinking girls with them are low class is a rather old fashioned attitude just not up with the times.
Seriously, are there any hot girls out there with zero tattoos? I have met Thai girls with probably no tattoos, and one ex GF definitely none, but this tended to be the very most prim and proper type that you would have little chance to get it on with.
Us old generation have to be bit more broad minded with the younger generation. I have found it hard to find really hot girls that do not smoke as well. Yes some but a minority. If the tattoos and piercings are not too advanced, I can take it. Face full of shrapnel, no.
Tattooed definitely does not equal "slutty". Tattoos are very unfortunately quite the modern fashion.
Skin tone doesn't bother me for girls within reason. Whitest white and blackest black may look weird for me. Thais do not have that. Black girls are O.K. for me. What I do find very ugly, are the dark skin guys in the Arab quarter of Bangkok that have black 3 day plus beard growths as well, and sometimes fairly severe body odour. Guess I am just not used to it. I am probably fucking girls just as dark skinned but smell lovely and not hairy of course.
[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1808431]Thanks for your insight. I am in contact with a few girls already. If we meet up, maybe I should take her to the mall, stroll past a lingerie shop and ask if she wants to look around.
[/QUOTE]A good idea to bring her to the shop and have her fit the stuff you want to give her. It is difficult to gauge their sizes, even when you have seen them in the nude So I asked the GF whom I wanted to buy some hot lingerie about her sizes. "Bra 34 be and bikini size 'medium'" (with "bikini" she means panties) I would have sized her panties to be "small", but I could have beeen wrong so I Bought her some "medium" sized strings and see-through lacy bottoms. Sure enough they were too big as her size is indeed "small". So why did she say "medium"? Because she thought that men like bigger "popo" (bum) and that I would be disappointed by her being only "small". No darling, I like a big bum but only on Africans. My Asian ladies are nicer in smaller packages.
In the end it turned out very good! I pulled out my sewing kit (never leave home without one!) and on the spot made her panties smaller. She never saw a man do that and my score increased by a good count of bonus points. Yes, always be prepared to make the best of any situation. It goes without saying that my good score translated later that night into a hot session of sex.
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I wondered if modesty was an issue in Thai culture. Another ex-pat monger on his blog commented that the "nice girls" good girl type don't show so much flesh, don't wear tops with bare shoulders, and probably never have a tattoo. That was his take on how to recognize a "bad girl" slutty girl. Not that he was being judgmental or anything, just giving hints. Any truth to that?
[/QUOTE]It is not an absolute. My GF is admin-staff and assistant nurse in a government hospital and yet has two tattoos: one on her breast whch shows when she wears a lower-cut dress and one above her pussy. She's 40, never married and still lives at home with her parents, taking care of them. WHen she goes out she wears conservative dress, no bare shoulders, no shorty shorts, no skimpy mini-skirts and for swimming a one-piece swimsuit. Even agogo girls who 10 minutes ago were dancing on the stage in the nude in front of many men, will change into jeans and a demure t-shirt when they come with you to your hotel. Less than 5 minutes in your room and she'll be naked again and you will be fucking like rabbits, but "public face" has been saved.
In the same vein, after having taken a shower, she'll come in the room totally wrapped in a towel and might even get under the sheets still wearing the towel. If asked why, their answer almost always is "I'm shy" after which she grabs your one-eyed trouser snake and give you a BBBJ while you finger her pussy. "Shy"? Indeed!
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Yes it does sound odd that they are fixated on light skin. Another poster here commented recently on how he picked up an Isaan girl in a club and she apologized for her dark skin. Personally, I like the caramel skin.[/QUOTE]"Honey coloured" is their name for tanned skin. I think it describes it very well.
Thanks again to all you guys for your comments and feedback. I think these topics are important subjects to discuss for someone preparing to visit the LOS, if one is to take full advantage of Thai girls, beyond the usual P4 P scenarios. It seems that mongering in Thailand is easier than shooting fish in a barrel, and that is about as far as guys get. As mentioned before, I had been researching Thai girls on another monger friendly website, and read an article about meeting and dating Thai girls via internet dating sites and I checked them out for the heck of it. (I have a background of "shoring" girls in Europe back in the 90's using pen and paper, and airmail stamps. Dang the internet makes things easy). To my surprise I got a lot of Thai women reaching out to me. The dominant chat tool in Thailand appears to be LINE, since they launched a Thai language interface. More than once, I ended up having three chicks trying to chat me up at once. Not that I am putting the mongering experience aside. But, some legitimate dating sure seems a lot easier than I would have thought for a 58 year old divorced farang with an 11-year old son (product of the much younger Hungarian ex-wife I bagged during a trip in Eastern Europe).
No surprise, its mature women (40 and up) who seem to be most eager, as well as SINGLE MOMS that seem to be interested in me. But, I actually had a 22-year old student, who looked stunning in her photos (in a nice elegant party gown) ping me for a chat today. What would she want in me? I'm 36 years her senior. But hey -I read about the "sideline girls" - the university girls who often do P4 P to get some rent money or play money. However, I didn't broach that topic with her just yet. The rest of the girls seemed to excited about having a guy just 20 years their senior chat them up.
A few of these have let me cam them and they just seem elated by the experience, though they can barely speak. Most others have listed web cam as "no go" on their profiles. Apparently some of the knuckle draggers out there have pissed off the Thai girls by asking for cam shows, or showing off their junk, etc. Ruining it for the rest of us. Yet a few have insisted on camming me first. I assume to see what I really look like. I had to go out buy a new webcam *(ex-wife didn't like the one I had, assuming the worst, and made it disappear) after assuming web cams were a no-no.
A few women have indicated they are widows and complained on their profiles that Thai society looks poorly on widows and that they are looking specifically to date a "farang". A few others have indicated that they specifically want to marry a Westerner and have a "mixed-race" baby. Any prestige to that? I had long heard about the mistreated "Amerasian" kids left over from the Nam-era troops. Apparently, Eurasian kids might be a point of pride now. BUT, most promimently in the girls profiles is their suspicion and warnings. Most of them say they are honest, and not a prostitute and assert they don't want to a girlfriend just for some guy on holiday. It seems I have to tread carefully here. But, I made myself clear in my profile that I am not out to get married again having just gottne out of a marriage. It has not scared too many of them off.
That said, can anyone comment on their experience using internet sites and how they panned out? Did you root out many P4 P opportunities? Any experience with these "sideline girls"? Any comments on social attitudes regarding widows, singles moms dating older men, (or older farang men), half-breed children. Discuss!
[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1808520]That said, can anyone comment on their experience using internet sites and how they panned out? Did you root out many P4 P opportunities? Any experience with these "sideline girls"? Any comments on social attitudes regarding widows, singles moms dating older men, (or older farang men), half-breed children. Discuss![/QUOTE]I can only speak from my own experience but both my previous and present Thai GF I have found through dating websites, "Date in Asia" and "Thai Friendly" to be exact.
My first GF was 35 when I met her and my present GF is now 40. I'm 56 myself.
Indeed Thai society considers a woman that is 35+ or so to be past her "sell by" date and she will have difficulties to find a Thai husband. The same goes for single mothers, widows or divorced women. They are somehow "damaged goods" in Thai traditional culture.
Hence their general interest in farang men, by preference somewhat older than they are. Age is held in good regard in Asian culture, although really young girls (early 20's or so) will not quickly go with a grandfatherly type. An age difference of 10 to 20 years however is generally not a big problem.
Of course we can only guess about their real motives for dating an older farang. A form of social security? Do they really believe elder farang are more loving and caring? Young guys are perhaps more "butterfly" and nice for a short while before they disappear for even greener pasture and an older man is more likely to remain in a stable relationship.
I have never been able to work out their reasons and actually it does not really matter. "This is Thailand" after all and you better go with the flow. Anything else will be stress.
One last advice: don't rely too much on their profiles in the dating sites and chat applications. My present GF wrote she was not looking to be a "holiday GF" but litterally pulled off my clothes at the second date and would stroke my dick while I was sleeping so when I woke up I was balls deep inside her wet pussy and a few more days later she told me "I want to eat your sperm" and started to suck me off until I finished inside her mouth and she swallowed all. But on her profile she seemed all "prim and proper" and the archetype of a "good girl".
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1808651] An age difference of 10 to 20 years however is generally not a big problem.[/QUOTE]When I first moved here 16 years ago, that type of age spread was not really an issue. As Thailand continues to develop, it is becoming more and more so. With gals who already have kids it is far less of an issue as they realize their marketability is less. But gals in their early to mid-30's not without kids are looking for guys with means around their age.
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I recall being amazed when in Sweden. Some of the young girls looked extremely stunning, and yet most of the middle aged women seemed to have aged very badly. No idea why this is the case. Perhaps western people get too much sun while Asians know better and try to stay out of the sun.[/QUOTE]It is not all about the sun, the sun does not make you fat. It is in the genes and lifestyle. Brazilians get also a lot of sun but still they look good because taking better care of themselves. And I am now talking about the whole body, not just face.
In Russia the contrast is very bad. Young girls are one of the best looking babes in the world but after 40 they age very badly. Same in Finland mostly. Actually this is the case in all over Europe. I don't know any country where the women look generally nice when 40-50 or more.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1808471]. In the end it turned out very good! I pulled out my sewing kit (never leave home without one!) and on the spot made her panties smaller. She never saw a man do that and my score increased by a good count of bonus points. . [ / UOTE].
W, you really need to open up a tailoring shop in BKK catering to the lingerie market. :)
[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1808520]A few of these have let me cam them and they just seem elated by the experience, though they can barely speak. Most others have listed web cam as "no go" on their profiles. Apparently some of the knuckle draggers out there have pissed off the Thai girls by asking for cam shows, or showing off their junk, etc. Ruining it for the rest of us. Yet a few have insisted on camming me first. I assume to see what I really look like. I had to go out buy a new webcam *(ex-wife didn't like the one I had, assuming the worst, and made it disappear) after assuming web cams were a no-no.
A few women have indicated they are widows and complained on their profiles that Thai society looks poorly on widows and that they are looking specifically to date a "farang". A few others have indicated that they specifically want to marry a Westerner and have a "mixed-race" baby. Any prestige to that? I had long heard about the mistreated "Amerasian" kids left over from the Nam-era troops. Apparently, Eurasian kids might be a point of pride now. BUT, most promimently in the girls profiles is their suspicion and warnings. Most of them say they are honest, and not a prostitute and assert they don't want to a girlfriend just for some guy on holiday. It seems I have to tread carefully here. But, I made myself clear in my profile that I am not out to get married again having just gottne out of a marriage. It has not scared too many of them off.
That said, can anyone comment on their experience using internet sites and how they panned out? Did you root out many P4 P opportunities? Any experience with these "sideline girls"? Any comments on social attitudes regarding widows, singles moms dating older men, (or older farang men), half-breed children. Discuss![/QUOTE]I met several nice "mature" ladies on the Internet. I was looking for ladies from mid-30's to late-40's. I chatted with a crapload, and met several. All were nice. In fact, it got to the point, like the old Lovin' Spoonful song says, "Did you ever have to make up your mind? Pick up on one and leave the other (s) behind?
The biggest single gripe the ladies had was the bazillions of farang cretins trolling the sites simply looking for cam sex, to show off their dick, and look for free pussy. Major turn off for them. Some certainly enjoyed cam sex, but only after you had gotten to know them quite well.
Yes, "older" ladies, widows, single moms, etc. , have a difficult time finding a Thai husband. All Thai men seem to want to marry a young virgin, or some such. They don't seem to be exactly Don Juan in bed, either. One lady, who had been divorced for quite some time, confessed, after a rousing time in the sack, that she had never had an orgasm with her husband. He just did his business and rolled over. The point is that many farang have a reputation for being more "considerate" in the sack.
Farang men also have much less of a problem raising other peoples' kids. I've seen that not only in Thailand but in Mexico, and other places as well. Many have told me that a farang / gringo makes a better husband for this reason.
Amerasian kids may have had problems in hard-line communist places like VN (not sure if that's still true there today), but certainly not in Thailand. I think everybody here has had some girl ask about having his baby in order to get a blue-eyed, big-nosed kid. He'll be the next pop sensation, or something like that. My point is that many famous Thais have a farang parent. Having mixed-race kids with a Thai certainly doesn't appear to be an issue.
The age gap is interesting. All of the women I met wanted an "older" mate, usually because an older man is more experienced and can "teach" the lady something (for lack of a better expression). However, rarely did that age gap extend beyond 15 years, or so. I noted that girls from more modest origins (read poor Isaan girls) tended to be OK with a larger age gap. Middle-class ladies with their own careers tended to want smaller gaps. The younger the girl, the smaller the gap. As Goat said, these days girls in their early 30's tend to prefer guys no older than about 40.