Yes...a girlfriend, if defined properly.
So, doesn't "clase" mean the same thing as "class" in English? If not, Carlos and/or Mill, please make the distinction. Actually, MillJust might have a better grasp of how that word might correlate to an English equivalent, him being from the US and having all that US born and bread context to draw upon.
I use that word to describe my "J" girl at Prestige (not to be confused with WastedG's Lady J). When I told my "J" girl she had "clase" I meant it to mean she has "class," and according to my WEBSTER's AMERICAN/SPANISH Dictionario, it has equivalent meaning to the Spanish word "clase." She seemed impressed with my telling her that. At least, she did not act as though I hold just told her she stinks.
But, I have visited Mexico long enough to realize that true definitions of translated words, even words with similar root construction based on the original latin, have significant influence upon them from Mexican sociological influences that make the true meaning in Spanish different than what we would interpret it to be in the US.
"Class," for me, means that a girl has a refined look and manner about her that makes her appear to be of a higher social position. Meaning her choice of clothes, her hair style, her make-up, her demeanor, the way she stands, etc...all make her appear to have a refinement that is usually indicative of the wealthier, higher classes.
With respect to my wanting a "girlfriend," I can agree with your assessment if you want to define it as in the "SEA" sense, where a girl will latch onto you and stick around, be available for your every whim, and be appreciative of the opportunity to spend time with you with little more no regard for overall cost. Then, yes, I agree that a "girlfriend" is what I am looking for...I call it sincere GFE.
My problem is...I realize I am trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear in most cases, looking for sincere GFE among a bunch of hookers in Mexico. I think I may have found it to an extent with Angel Girl, and maybe even to an possibly lesser extent with both Pasarelas girls, although it is too soon to tell with the Pasarelas girls.
I guess you are both telling me that I CAN NOT get that in Mexico. Of course, I already knew that. I can not find in Mexico, what I know first hand I can easily find in Asia, like falling off a log.
I am suprised you guys would admit such things about Mexico. Uhmmm...???
[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]USB: I agree with Mill... he got it right on the nose.
Mill: You should have come to Mty. You would have been a witness. But anyway, you got it right, no matter what the man says.
By the way, I agree with you assesment of SEA girls.
Can I be a little harsh here? Mill will agree with me that Mexican girls have "clase" (as the word is used here in Mexico and that Mill will understand). That places them above anything you can find in SEA.[/QUOTE]
Trying to figure out my game...but, by different rules.
Very interesting...so, you think I should make Angel Girl believe that I have all these other girls because, in reality, she wants a Cabron, and that if I do this I will get even better GFE from her.
Notice I said, "better GFE" and not "better service." Of course, that is what WastedG and Carlos seem to believe as well. She could not provide better GFE or service than she does, but lets assume that a change in my strategy might improve her availability. I might be willing to consider a change in strategy if I were able to make her availability improve. Remember, her service and GFE is "perfection" in the inth degree already.
First, Angel Girl thinks that I must have other girlfriends. She regularly brings it up, almost like she thinks my desire to see only her must all be a lie. So, from my perspective, she has the idea that I AM active without her anyway, that I must be a Cabron, even when I assure her that she is my exclusive girl in Monterrey, and that the only reason I return to Monterrey is to see her, and her only. To a certain extent, I am telling her the truth, notwithstanding my enjoyment at seeing mis amigos, Carlos, Porker, Grady, WastedG, and Mr. L, and all the other relatively infrequent amigos too numerous to mention, etc...Honestly, I'm telling her the truth when I pledge my alegiance because, were it not for logistics alone, there are far better venues that are MUCH CHEAPER. I prefer to be with Angel Girl far more than any of the others. And, provided she has to be at work a couple nights a week, I am free to have fun with other girls that are second string. But, basically, I am motivated to return to Monterrey to see her. I have tried so many others out, that I would simply prefer to be with her...well, maybe working in Pasarelas girl #1 too, and maybe other Pasarelas girl #2 as well on an off night. But, mainly, I am coming back to Monterrey to see my Angel Girl.
She regularly expresses her skepticism that I do not have a girl back in the States, and I think she believes I am probably seeing other girls when she is not available. Fact is, she once told me that she believes all men are Cabrones. I doubt she believes I am not active in her absence. So, isn't that having the same general effect if in fact being a Cabron is turning her on? She has regularlly told me she wants to find a man that is faithful to her. I guess she doesn't really know what she wants then.
Of course, seeing only Angel Girl is not what I do. I follow the advice of mis amigos by cultivating all of my options, advise that I also subscribe to 100%. But, where I question their strategy is to flaunt my other optional activities in front of her face. But then, my goal is different that that of Carlos and WastedG. I am attempting to maximize GFE with Angel Girl, regardless of her own extra-curricular activities, which she denies to me with a straight face and total sincerity. Do I believe her? Who knows??? Who Cares??? It does add to the quality of overall GFE with her for me to think so. But, realistically, do I believe she is faithful to me...In a word, NO!
But, I know one thing...when she is not around, I am still having all kinds of fun otherwise too. So, I am a Cabron in reality, right? I am a Cabron to the inth degree because I am seeing other girls, married, and lying to her about all of it. So, theoretically, she should be really turned on by the prospect of such a Cabron such as I.
Of course, conversely, I openly followed the Cabron strategy with Angry girl too, publicly demonstrating to her that I AM seeing other girls, and look where it has gotten me with her...completely cut-off.
I don't dismiss your comments MJ. I find them enlightening, and consistent with what Carlos and WastedG are saying. But, at the same time, I am skeptical that one strategy is always applicable across the board 100% if I am trying to attain my brand of GFE, which is admittedly unique.
Frankly, I think that playing the Cabron IS the adviseable strategy within the confines of pay for play only, where pay for play is the single disireable outcome. But, surely, if I am attempting to obtain sincere GFE from this girl, and if I might be satisfied seeing her exclusively when I visit Monterrey, pro or not, that strategy is not probably always going to be the optimum one.
Because, if all women wanted Cabrones, all the legitimate girls out there would be looking for men who screw around on them. And that, IMHO, is not a behavior I have ever witnessed, not from any member of the female sex, regardless of culture and/or nationality.
[QUOTE=Mill Just]I think the service you want is readily available in Mexico. I get it all the time and never suffer from a lack of sex, dinner companions or dates.
To use terms that Carlos will surely understand and if you don't, let me know. Mexican women, especially of the socio-economic level of most working girls, don't want a mandilon (pussy-whipped, for lack of a better term); they want a guy who is a bit of a cabron. A guy will fit into the macho stereotype that many women find attractive here. Even wealthier, more refined women have a general distaste for guys that aren't "real" men.
In my case, the little gifts and thoughtful gestures got me used more than loved. It wasn't until I became more of a cabron that I started hauling in the GFE chicas. Sure, before, as Miller the Mandilon I got decent sessions, but Miller the Cabron got GFE-a-plenty.
Part of being the cabron is to make sure that every chica you're with knows that she is probably not the only one. Mexican working girls do get lazy, but only if you let them or only if they see no real reason to give you good service.
And with regard to Carlos' use of the term "clase," I believe in the Mexican context its more like personal dignity and not acting in a way that disgraces your personal dignity. A chica with no "clase" will be all over a guy, basically like a lap dog. A chica with "clase" will make you earn her affection over a period of time.
And referring to legit girlfriends in Mexico- yes, I've had quite a few. Usually, when I find a "legit" girlfriend I take a break from mongering. But non-pro Mexicanas can be very mercenary too. I was recently dating a very hot non-pro chica (5ft2, 36 c chest and very little body fat), but she was pushing things way too fast, trying to get married and have kids. Just from my own personal experiences, I've found many legit chicas way too eager to latch onto a gringo and get out of their personal situations. YMMV. Working girls, on the other hand, are very blatant with what they want- and that makes them a lot easier to deal with. But I definitely hope to settle down with a Mexicana some day...just let me get the craziness and lust out of my system first. ;)
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i am about to start pulling my hair ...
I was about to say how many of us lust over girls we see on TV that are screwing other men? But I'll make it even simpler... Aren't YOU lusting over a girl who services men every working minute of her life?
You are holding the wrong end of the stick Bob.
Wasted
[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Very interesting...so, you think I should ....
Because, if all women wanted Cabrones, all the legitimate girls out there would be looking for men who screw around on them. And that, IMHO, is not a behavior I have ever witnessed, not from any member of the female sex, regardless of culture and/or nationality.[/QUOTE]
I am the least of your worries...
I should be the least of your worries. What you should be concerned about is those girls who touch you, you know where, come back down, get up on stage and then snag another unsuspecting dude only to touch him with the same hands and lips that just finished off the previous mofu.
Do you know why the girls will not kiss you? They will let you kiss them but not on the lips. Do you know why? Need I go any further? They do not kiss you because they do not want to put what they sucked on you.
That's what you should be worried about. Not me.
[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]I am NOT shaking hands with you again WastedG... :-))))))))) Just kidding...I am glad to hear you washed your hands after.
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