[QUOTE=Sperto] I'm just a bum in broken Havaianas who only gets the "cheap skanky nightmare prostitutes".[/QUOTE]
Finally a bit of self-consciousness.
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[QUOTE=Sperto] I'm just a bum in broken Havaianas who only gets the "cheap skanky nightmare prostitutes".[/QUOTE]
Finally a bit of self-consciousness.
[QUOTE=Prosal]Finally a bit of self-consciousness.[/QUOTE]
Good, I was hoping that it would make you feel better.
Now when we have learned everything about highroller-mongering in the glamorous FSU maybe we can move back on track to Brazil?
[QUOTE=Sperto]Good, I was hoping that it would make you feel better.
Now when we have learned everything about highroller-mongering in the glamorous FSU maybe we can move back on track to Brazil?[/QUOTE]Let's move back to Brazil. I am hoping that Jackson will give Prosal his own thread 'FSU in Brazil forum'.
Drgn, Chris, Hughdad, thanks for some quality posts displaying the different sides of the coin or as has been referred to earlier in this thread, the game. Quite an informative read. Both sides have their pros and cons. I guess it is fun to be dressing up and going after the filet mignon and the models and other patricinhas. But after a while, their BS and boring side are too much of a down side to take. And that's when a girl of a more humbler class can be a more interesting prospect.
Sperto and Prosal, thanks for the entertainment!You guys should get your own thread and let the rest of us, enjoy the show with a cold one in hand. :D
[QUOTE=Sprite13]Drgn, Chris, Hughdad, thanks for some quality posts displaying the different sides of the coin or as has been referred to earlier in this thread, the game. Quite an informative read. Both sides have their pros and cons. I guess it is fun to be dressing up and going after the filet mignon and the models and other patricinhas. But after a while, their BS and boring side are too much of a down side to take. And that's when a girl of a more humbler class can be a more interesting prospect.
Sperto and Prosal, thanks for the entertainment!You guys should get your own thread and let the rest of us, enjoy the show with a cold one in hand. :D[/QUOTE]I know this the "Non-Pros" thread - but I kept reading posts about spending lots of time and cash to chase High Value Targets. More time and money than I would ever spend mongering for beautiful ladies. Especially knowing that (from my own experiences) that the model and actress targets really aren't that interesting. Again those are my experiences and my personal tastes. To some, that HVT "game" may have appeal to some and they may find the ladies to be extremely interesting. So my apologies for writing about P4P here - but it was really sounding that this HVT game had a huge price tag (remember time is money too) and I wanted to make a small comparison.
To me it is very interesting that a whole "cottage" industry has blossomed around the "game". An industry that I can only seeing growing as more guys grow up totally in front of their computers and living virtual existences. These guys are really social retards.
[QUOTE=Sprite13] But after a while, their BS and boring side are too much of a down side to take. And that's when a girl of a more humbler class can be a more interesting prospect.[/QUOTE]
That's caricatural.
What do "lower class" girls want when they get involved in a relationship with a foreigner? (I'm not talking about piranhas who search short-time sponsors for nights out in town) .. undoubtedly more than just some casual sex. They can have any day hot flings or fun adventures with their fellow countrymen. With foreigners they are more demanding. They put high expectations in a relationship with a gringo. They are looking for a way to escape their social situation, to improve their status. For those girls, a gringo boyfriend, perhaps even husband, or father for their child if they have one (and in Brasil, most 16+ lower class girls DO have childs) is like winning the lottery. Don't fool yourselves. Lower class girls in Brasil don't fuk you because of your charm or your game, but because they see benefit in doing so.
Personally I find that lower class girls often put in the relationship to much demands and more emotional baggage I am ready to carry. I have ceased to pursue this kind of affair. Lower class girls are too clingy. Contrarily, the higher class girls (once more, I'm not talking about piranhas) often put out some of the best uninhibited and UNCOMPLICATED sex. They usually have no materialistic expectations or financial problems to solve and only feel they need hot adventures (with similarly well-appointed men of same cultural and lifestyle level and with the right look and style) otherwise they are missing out on life. And they don't expect the relationship to last forever nor to take any benefit from it, but just to enjoy the ride. As for upper class girls being bitchier or greedier or more boring, I haven't necessarily noticed that, and I find this statement rather ridiculous. In fact I've noticed exactly the opposite, both in Brasil, in Asia and in FSU.
[QUOTE=Prosal]That's caricatural.
What do "lower class" girls want when they get involved in a relationship with a foreigner? (I'm not talking about piranhas who search short-time sponsors for nights out in town) ... undoubtedly more than just some casual sex. They can have any day hot flings or fun adventures with their fellow countrymen. With foreigners they are demanding. They put high expectations in a relationship with a gringo. They are looking for a way to escape their social situation, to improve their status. For those girls, a gringo boyfriend, perhaps even husband, or father for their child if they have one (and in Brasil, most 16+ lower class girls DO have childs) is like winning the lottery. Don't fool yourselves. Lower class girls in Brasil don't fuk you because of your charm or your game, but because they see benefit in doing so.
Personally I find that lower class girls often put in the relationship to much demands and in any way more emotional bagage I am ready to carry. I have ceased to pursue this kind of affair. Lower class girls are too clingy. Contrarily, the higher class girls (once more,I'm not talking about piranhas)often put out some of the best uninhibited and UNCOMPLICATED sex. They usually have no materialistic expectations or financial problems to solve and only feel they need hot adventures (with similarly well-appointed men of same cultural and lifestyle level and with the right look and style) otherwise they are missing out on life. They don't expect the relationship to last forever nor to take any benefit from it, but just to enjoy the ride. As for upper class girls being bitchier or greedier or more boring, I haven't necessarily noticed that. In fact I have noticed exactly the opposite, both in Brasil, in Asia and in FSU.[/QUOTE]
"Don't fool yourselves. Lower class girls in Brasil don't fuk you because of your charm or your game..."
We all speak out of our own experiences. Sprite13 and many others here have had pleasant experiences with non-pro's in Brazil. It's obviously that your experiences with non-pro's in Brazil havn't been successful.
Your preaching that brazilian non-pro's don't like to have sex with gringos, seems a bit silly when so many of us knows that's not true. It's like saying "I didn't catch any fish. That means that there are no fish in the lake, even though the other fishermen got their buckets full of fish."
[QUOTE=Sperto]"Don't fool yourselves. Lower class girls in Brasil don't fuk you because of your charm or your game..."
We all speak out of our own experiences. Sprite13 and many others here have had pleasant experiences with non-pro's in Brazil. It's obviously that your experiences with non-pro's in Brazil havn't been successful.
Your preaching that brazilian non-pro's don't like to have sex with gringos, seems a bit silly when so many of us knows that's not true. It's like saying "I didn't catch any fish. That means that there are no fish in the lake, even though the other fishermen got their buckets full of fish."[/QUOTE]
In Lake Brasil......no matter how many times you throw the hook in, you always reel in something. Now, what you catch all depends on what kind of bait you use :)
[QUOTE=Prosal]That's caricatural.
What do "lower class" girls want when they get involved in a relationship with a foreigner? (I'm not talking about piranhas who search short-time sponsors for nights out in town) ... undoubtedly more than just some casual sex. They can have any day hot flings or fun adventures with their fellow countrymen. With foreigners they are demanding. They put high expectations in a relationship with a gringo. They are looking for a way to escape their social situation, to improve their status. For those girls, a gringo boyfriend, perhaps even husband, or father for their child if they have one (and in Brasil, most 16+ lower class girls DO have childs) is like winning the lottery. Don't fool yourselves. Lower class girls in Brasil don't fuk you because of your charm or your game, but because they see benefit in doing so.
Personally I find that lower class girls often put in the relationship to much demands and in any way more emotional baggage I am ready to carry. I have ceased to pursue this kind of affair. Lower class girls are too clingy. Contrarily, the higher class girls (once more,I'm not talking about piranhas)often put out some of the best uninhibited and UNCOMPLICATED sex. They usually have no materialistic expectations or financial problems to solve and only feel they need hot adventures (with similarly well-appointed men of same cultural and lifestyle level and with the right look and style) otherwise they are missing out on life. They don't expect the relationship to last forever nor to take any benefit from it, but just to enjoy the ride. As for upper class girls being bitchier or greedier or more boring, I haven't necessarily noticed that, and I find this statement rather ridiculous. In fact I have noticed exactly the opposite, both in Brasil, in Asia and in FSU.[/QUOTE]What a broad statement to make. Are you saying every "lower class girl" is the same? That's BS. Sounds like you are projecting your own experiences here. I have been meeting regular lower-class working ladies in my Brazil hometown the past several weeks and they are interested in learning about the world, cultural differences, music, etc. They are interesting in having fun, laughing and having a good time. I have found my differences to be a plus as a way to open doors for introductions and discussions. But at the end of the day - they are looking for someone they are attracted to, makes them laugh and fascinates them. No different than anywhere really.
[QUOTE=Hughdad]What a broad statement to make. Are you saying every "lower class girl" is the same? That's BS. [/QUOTE]
Ok, let me rephrase it. I personally find lower class girls *on the whole* too wishful, conniving and clingy (most sex-hungry mongers may use this "wishfulness" to their advantage, but it's not a behavior I partake nor respect). Relationships are IMO much more uncomplicated and honest with upper middle class and upper class girls.
As usual, YMMV.
[QUOTE=Hughdad]No different than anywhere really.[/QUOTE]
In Brasil it is actually different than anywhere.
The simple reason is *status*. Until you understand the brasilian status system and its pervasiveness, you can never truly understand these people. Including women.
[QUOTE=Prosal]As usual, to each its own. I personally find brasilian lower class girls *on the whole* too wishful and clingy. And conniving. Most sex-hungry mongers may use this "wishfulness" to their advantage, but it's not a behavior I partake nor respect. Relationships are IMO much more uncomplicated and honest with upper middle class and upper class girls.
YMMV though.
In Brasil it is actually different than anywhere.
The simple reason is *status*. Until you understand the brasilian status system and its pervasiveness, you can never truly understand these people, including women.[/QUOTE]IMO, you have an overly simplistic and old world view of what is happening here and "these people". Status is pervelant in almost every society. And you make no mention of the rapidly emerging middle class. I live in a town of 175k people here - mostly working class - and there are lots of 20 to 30 y/o women here that are hard working, studying, and trying to better themselves. Be open minded to change.
Much as it pains me to say it, his gold-encrusted Lordship, Mr Prosal does have a point somewhere, if you can separate it from the BS and patronising pomp. A high-roller girl has less incentive to better herself thru sex (unless you are a famous movie producer, for instance), and I think it's similar worldwide. But the idea of spending big dosh is a misconception. Spend what you would normally. Spending more than that and it's a bit sad.
I have done the 'impress with big bucks' route in days when I had more money than sense. But there are equally, if not more effective ways of putting her at ease. I bagged a young professor after getting a 'research' pass to her faculty library. I caught a doctor cos we danced well together. And the granddaughter of a famous musician cos I happened to be as interested in her grandfather's music as much as her great tits and smile.
Prosal's hardly a guidebook to Brasil for the average punter. You'll pick up more usable tips listening to Sprite and Sperto and people with broad experience. But much as his online persona can be irksome, no need to draw and quarter him. After all, he might be buying the Veuve Cliquot. ;)
It is, of course, impossible to say whether Mr Posal speaks from experience or something he's read somewhere lol ;) ;)
[QUOTE=Prosal] Relationships are IMO much more uncomplicated and honest with upper middle class and upper class girls.[/QUOTE]I was not necessarily talking about relationships. I am not looking for a long-term relationship with anyone. And I am completely up front about that and my honesty typically is well-received. But if that is what you are discussing. Upper class ladies certainly can be clingy and needy. Sometimes even more than lower class ladies. They can be used to getting all the immediate and undivided attention they want, doing what they want to do when they want to it, of being spoiled.
I say it is a case of choosing your poison.
[QUOTE=Christopherd]I have done the 'impress with big bucks' route in days when I had more money than sense. But there are equally, if not more effective ways of putting her at ease. I bagged a young professor after getting a 'research' pass to her faculty library. I caught a doctor cos we danced well together. And the granddaughter of a famous musician cos I happened to be as interested in her grandfather's music as much as her great tits and smile.[/QUOTE]You used your personality, cunny, confidence and personality to win them over. (Love that last line. Ain't nothing like a great set of natural tits is there?)
[QUOTE=Hughdad]I was not necessarily talking about relationships. I am not looking for a long-term relationship with anyone. And I am completely up front about that and my honesty typically is well-received. But if that is what you are discussing. Upper class ladies certainly can be clingy and needy. Sometimes even more than lower class ladies. They can be used to getting all the immediate and undivided attention they want, doing what they want to do when they want to it, of being spoiled.
I say it is a case of choosing your poison.[/QUOTE]I was happily married to a woman who's grandfather was a Naval Admiral during the Military Government and who's Uncle was the Governor (or Chief Torturer, depending on your politics) of Ceara. Background meaningless. The former spouse and her sister were night-and-day opposites. Be yourself whoever you are. Everything finds its own level, if eventually.