Safety and hustling around Zona Norte
So I will say this about the Zona Norte, it's not the safest place in the world but doesn't feel like the most dangerous either. I'm not going to be like some people here and say you have nothing to worry about because during this weekend I did see some things that didn't look right.
I mean how safe can one place be when there is a drug dealer literally out in the middle of the side walk handing out dope in the middle of the street to a line of customers like it was candy. This wasn't a back alley or any place secluded. It was out in the open with a policeman literally 20 feet away ignoring what was going on.
Another thing I saw when my new amigo showed me Tijuana was somewhere in the Zona Centro some gringo looked like he was getting a shakedown from a policia. The cop was going through his backpack searching for something. I have no clue as to whatever happened to the guy, but I would guess he paid the bribe and moved on.
Other things to look out for is the hustlers. I had some shoe shine guy pull me aside and tell me he'll clean my shoe for $2. I agreed and as soon as he starts cleaning my shoes he goes into a sob story about not having enough money for a hotel room and started begging me for more money to help him out. I stayed quiet the whole time as he was cleaning and whining. At the end I paid him $2 and left. Of course as I'm walking away I hear nothing but "amigo, amigo, please, please." the HK doorman was another hustler. Started telling me some bullshit like it was a $2 tip for the robe. Of course I knew better since all I have been paying is $1. Also watch out for the cleanup cum boys. No problems at HK since I have my own room, but at Adelita once I left the room I had one cum boy that asked for a tip to clean the room, which I payed, and then another cum boy ask for a tip as well. I don't know if this was standard operating procedure at AD's hotel, but I have a feeling I was had this time since at HK only one person cleans up per room. And of course watch out for the girls. Now those hustles are alot more costly. I'm sure we all have a story or two concerning the women.
But overall if you stick with a buddy, don't go looking for trouble, stay within highly populated tourist areas then you should be fine. But you do have to have street smarts otherwise you're not going to make it back to the states fully intact.
Can someone answers this Question? Thanks first
1. My buddy have a Birth certificate and a California Driver license would he be able to get back in the U. S? He dosnt have a passport, has any of use travel to Tijuana with out a passport recently?
Chris Long Cinco De Mayo in Tijuana
flew into san diago to spend cinco de mayo in tijuana.
airport to tijuana:
the san diego airport is very small, slow and easy to navigate. most airlines fly in and out of terminal 2 but it really doesn't matter which terminal it is 1 or 2 the system works the same. once you exit baggage claim go outside and walk to your left there you will find the bus stop. take the 992 bus to the trolley stop. pay the $5 to the bus drive for an all day pass this will allow you to ride the bus and the trolley. the exit i always use is the city college stop. mainly because the others were under construction on my first trip so now this is the one i am used to and use all the time. the bus drivers have always been very friendly and if you tell them you need to take the trolley to san yasidro they will tell you when your stop is and where to find the trolley. once you exit the bus at the city college stop you will see the train tracks and there will be a building in front of you, walk to the other side of the building and there you will find the trolley stop. the train you want is the blue line to san yisidro / tijuana the train itself will be red but it will say san yisidro / tijuana on the front. take the trolley all the way to the boarder, that will be the last stop on the line. the whole trip from bus to trolley to the boarder takes about an hour. once you exit the trolley if you stand facing south on your right hand side you will see a pedestrian bridge, go up the winding walk way to the bridge cross over it on the other side go to your left walk back down the winding walk way follow the side walk past some shops sometimes there will be some usa boarder agents there, they have never stopped me nor have i ever seen them stopping any one. go through some turn styles, this will be mexico, there will be some mexican officials a few solders, i have never been stopped by them or seen them stop anyone. once one of them was asking everyone to push a green go button but that was it. go through a second set of turn styles and then you will see shops people selling things and a lot of yellow taxis. jump in one of the yellow taxis and tell them hong kong club, or where ever it is that you want to go. all taxi drivers know where hong kong is. every taxi driver i ever had could speak basic to decent english. the price will be $5.
when going back the whole things works the same way only in reverse. get a taxi from where ever you are and tell the driver the boarder. i have always used yellow taxis because they were the ones i used on my first trip so now i am used to them. at the boarder there will be people offering to get you through in ten to twenty minutes for anywhere from ten to twenty dollars i have used these services and have also just walked the line. the line itself moves pretty quick there is not a lot of standing around but it is so long that it takes about an hour or more to get through. the shuttle guys sometimes have you just walk past everyone to the front of the line and then have you bud in the line right before it goes into immigration, this was always the fastest way that i've gotten through. sometimes they have you pile into a very full van and drive you across this may be a little faster than the line but still can take as long as forty to forty five minutes some times. the worst part of going to tijuana is the line to get back to the usa side. once you are past immigration and exit the building the trolley will be in front of you it will say old town on the front of it by your ticket from the machine, you cannot buy a day pass so you will have to buy a one way $2. 50 trolley ticket there are usually trolley employs who will be there to answer questions if you are unsure how to purchase the ticket. take the trolley just as you did coming down and the exit i always use is city college. once you exit the trolley do not walk back to the same bus stop that you exited at when you got on the trolley. once you exit the trolley walk towards that bus stop but before you get to it you will see another one on your left that will say 992 on it. this is the bus stop you want, wait for the 992 bus and tell the driver you want a one way ticket to the airport. the price will be $2. 25 you will need the exact amount as the bus driver does not have change.
tijuana & the zone:
tijuana and the zone can be a bit ruff looking and dangerous looking. if you are not used to mexico, this may be a bit of a shock to you. the place you want to go to is the zone, if your sole purpose is mongering there really is no reason to leave the zone and in all of my trips i have never left the zone. the zone is basically one square block filled with bars shops, hole in the wall restaurants, food carts, hawkers, beggars and of course street girls. the bars, and street girls jut off in each direction for a few feet out side of this block. the zone can be a bit dirty looking at first but once you have experienced it, it quickly becomes paradise. the mexican people by in large are good and honest people many of whom have just been put into a shit existence and have to make the best out of it, and you will meet many good people there. however, there are many hucksters, swindlers and just plain thieves and you will have to keep your wits about you use common since and stay away from strangers. do not go down with an attitude do not get to drunk and don't do anything stupid. i have always felt safe in the zone and have never had any problems there, but i have always used common since and stayed away from anything and anyone that didn't look right. police presence is visible and somewhat heavy. i've never been stopped by them harassed or bothered by them at all but i have heard stories from others down there who said they have been stopped for bribes and others down there tell me in all of their travels have never had any problem with them. i've never seen them stop or question any gringos the only people i have ever seen them taking away searching or questioning have been mexican nationals. i personally believe there presence helps to keep the criminal element down and keeps the place safer. the zone runs 24 hours a day 7 days a week and the action really never stops. however, some times are heavier than others and weekends on general seem to be more active then week days. on this trip i notice more people smoking marijuana, as i would walk around the zone there were times i could definitely smell it and even walked past a few of the locals smoking it in the street. there does seem to be some drug dealing going on in what is called the alley, i noticed at certain times of the day people would line up like at a bus stop waiting for a bus and then someone would show up and place little bags in their hands and everyone would start crowding around this individual like male ducks in heat over a female duck trying to get there drugs. once on one of my walk around i naively walked right into the middle of this mealy and saw the individual placing tiny little bags of what looked like a blue substance in their hands. at first i didn't know what was going on then quickly realized that this was some sort of drug distribution and quickly got out of there. these individual were all dirty unclean shabby looking mexican nationals and you should definitely not get involved in any sort of drug activity down there. the majority of the customers in both the clubs and the streets seem to be mexican nationals themselves but there is a decent size crowd of gringos coming across the border from southern california, i did not notice a lot of national or international mongers there most gringos are from southern california. weekdays seem slower in both the streets and the club than weekends so better deals may be available during the week days than on the weekends.
need for spanish:
the zone can easily be handled without any spanish. everyone knows what you are there for. there are enough mexican nationals who know enough english to help you get by. only about 10% of the girls, both street girls and club girls had a decent command of the english language the rest know practically nothing. however, they all know what you are there for and know enough of the sex words and the numbers for the two of you to reach an agreement. the language was never a barrier when arranging a session with the girls.
food:
there are plenty of hole in the wall restaurants, hole in the wall food shops and street carts to eat from. the hole in the wall restaurants are around $5 a meal. i eat exclusively off of the street carts $1 for a taco an oyster, pancake, hot dog and there are guys walking around selling slices of pizza for a $1. i never felt sick but always did have an urgent early morning bowl movement, but apart from that had no problem with the food. i would buy big bottles of fruit juice for a $1 from the hole in the wall shops.
money:
dollars are readily accepted everywhere so there really is no need to exchange to pesos if you do not want to. however, you can quit often get a better deal with the street girls by using pesos. i found many of the club girls knew what the current exchange rate was and would adjust their rates accordingly. there are money exchanges right in the zone with big signs out front and they will be easy to find.
internet:
the hotel i stayed at cascadas had good wireless internet the pass code is 0123456789 there is also an internet spot in the alley cost $1 for the hour i used this on my first trip and the connection was good had no problem.
hotels:
i have always stayed on the tijuana side of the boarder and i have always stayed at the hotel cascadas on all of my trips. this is the hotel that the hong kong girls use and if you are a high volume user of hong kong girls and street girls the hotel can save you money. i've only had two street girls ever refuse to go to my room at the hong kong so it will save you in most cases the $5 to $6 street girl hotel fee and it will save you the $15 dollar charge for bringing up a hong kong girl. so if you are a high volume user the room can actually pay for itself. the benefit of having a room here is that it can save you money, you are right in the heart of the action and if the two of you hit it off the girl may stay and hang out for a few hours. on every one of my trips i have always had at least one girl either a street girl or a hong kong girl that i hit it off with and she ended up staying and hanging out for a couple hours. i have always booked the single double room for $40 on the week days and $50 on the weekend. make sure you get a room on the 6th floor as the rooms on the lower floors can be extremly noisy 24 hours a day. i had a room on the 6th floor and had no problem with the noise. the rooms are clean comfortable, basic, there's no daily maid service but i suppose if you would ask they would send someone to clean the room for a tip. there was no safe in the basic double but in all of my trips i've never had anything stolen and felt my stuff was safe. i even felt safe enough to bring my work issued lap top. there was no remote for the tv but i suppose if you asked they would give you one. the tv channels all seemed to be in spanish and there were some porn channels i didn't search the channels a great deal so i don't know if they have english channels, i did not come to mexico to watch tv or watch porn. i turned the tv to the local music channel and left it there. i found from my experiences in san jose that when the girls come back to your room if you're playing all of the local popular music it seems to put the girls in better more at ease mood.
there are several other hotels in the area but i have never used any of them so can't give you much information on them. the santiago is just a few paces down the street from the zone and can easily be walked day or night. a monger friend i met down there always stays there and he said the rooms are nice and cost around $40 a night but none of the street girls or club girls will go back to your room with you unless they know you well. another hotel that has been talked about in great detail is the ticuan which is a three to four star hotel i believe the basic standard rooms run around $40 to $60 a night another monger friend on my first trip was staying in one of the basic standard room and it was a nice room. however, again none of the street girls and none of the club girls will go back to your room unless they already know you. it is safe to walk to the zone from the ticuan during the day time but you would want to take a cab at night.
massage parlors:
i've never used any of them so i don't have any first had information on them. there is one in the zone one by the hotel ticuan and a few others around. i believe the total price once you pay the door fee and then pay the girl comes out to more than one hundred dollars. not really worth it to me when i could pick up a hong kong girl and an adalita girl for the same price.
escort agencies:
i have never used them so i have no first hand information, but, from what i have been told they are available and will send girls to the ticuan the santiago and some of the other hotels but will not send girls to the cascadas. i have heard they are more gfe, bbbj, daty, and even anal are standard services with many of them. i've heard that they will stay for an hour or two or more and charge one hundred to one hundred and fifty or more. but, again i have never used them so i have no firsthand knowledge of them.
street girls:
the street girls circle all around the block but are concentrated mainly on the side street and the alley, the best ones are found in the alley. they also circle the block next to the zone but these go mainly with the mexican nationals. the street girls range from grandmas to goddesses with everything in between. there are some truly phenomenal street girls available and there are some ugly dirty nasty street girls available. the hot ones will rival anything you can find in the clubs and you will be amazed at the beauty you will find in some of the street girls. the median price for a street girl is $30 for everything fuck and suck a couple even quoted me $20 and a few quoted $40 but when pressed would drop to $30. many will go for 300 pesos which at today's exchange rate is around $25. i found just about every street girl will still use the old 10 to 1 conversion so you can get a better deal with most of the street girls by using pesos. this is not true with the club girls. very, very few street girls will give a bbbj in all of my experiences less than 10% and very, very, very, few will let you go down on them, again less than 10. the street girls all offer the two basics suck and fuck. on this trip i found about 40% of them wanted extra to get completely naked the rest just automatically got completely naked. on my previous trips getting completely naked was never an issue with any of them. almost all of the street girls quote 20 minutes for the time a couple even quoted 15 minutes a couple quoted 25 and many who quoted 20 when i pressed for 25 agreed to it. i never found time to be an issue either i am able to have my fun and finish in the required time or the time limit is not a hard and fast rule with them. i never had any of them tell me my time was up and they were going to leave. they all let me do my thing and finish before they left, but i never abused it or tried to get them to stay there for long periods of time. all of the street girls i had gave me pretty good sex. they all gave good to great blow jobs were all good fucks and all except for one would fuck in whatever positions i wanted. the street girl rooms are around $5 to $6 for 20 minutes. i have only ever used two street girl rooms in all of my trips both times it was more out of curiosity than necessity. the rooms were ok not that bad not that good better than many of the mp and strip club rooms i used in san jose. almost every sg would agree to go back to my room at the hotel cascadas which is right in the middle of the zone and the action. about a quarter of them told me i would still have to pay the room fee or would have to pay for the full half hour with them, which was $40, again when using pesos this was around $35 for the half hour not a bad deal.
a special mention to street girl carla who is one of the very few who will give a bbbj and will let you go down on her and is one of only two girls in all of my trips who would agree to do anal. carla stands on the corner in the alley, if you exit the hong kong club from the alley side she stands across the street from the hk on the corner on your left hand side in front of the marquee i believe its called, i would give her a solid 8 to 9 in looks, if you're looking for anal this is your girl, price for 20 to 25 minutes full service bbbj daty and anal will be 70 usa
hong kong club.
oh my god i love this place. hong kong club truly has to be experienced i think every true monger should do the hong kong club at least once. the first time i walked into this place was like a movie moment, it was the middle of the afternoon i walked in and my jaw dropped i was speechless and could not believe what i was seeing, the dj was playing donnie osmond's puppy love and there were gorgeous beautiful women of every body type swaying around and dancing to the music. i found many of the women to be truly phenomenal, this place can mesmerize you and you will find yourself spending hours in there. the most beautiful women in mexico go to the hong kong club to work. women in the hong kong are available for $80 for the half hour i've had some go as low as $60 and a few even asked for $90 there are some truly beautiful women in there. i've had some great, great services from many of these girls but i have also had a couple of star fish's with professional attitudes, a bbbj is extremely rare with this girls, maybe less than 10% and a tip will be expected after. however from my experienced about 90% of them will agree to let you go down on them. the waiters can be a real pain at times constantly bothering you for tips later at night the waiters aren't as bad but the crowds get much worse. if you see a girl you like you can have the waiter bring her over to you but this will cost you a lady drink which is $9 plus the one dollar tip for the waiter. this allows you to interview the girl find out what she will and will not do and it allows your hands to roam while she is drinking her drink. i would often try to go up to the girl myself and interview her first to avoid the lady drink, however, if a waiter sees you talking to a girl they will be there in a new york minute trying to get you to buy a lady drink. late at night when it's more crowded it is much easier to talk to the girls without the waiter bothering you to buy a lady drink. drinks for you in the hong kong club are around $4 plus a one dollar tip for the waiter. tipping the dancing girls as well as the shaving cream girls a dollar allows your hands to roam on their body. the girls use the hotel cascadas which will cost you $15 for the half hour plus one dollar tip for the clean up boy. the hong kong club is probably the closest thing to a main monger watering hole where you can hang out with and meet fellow mongers like they have in san jose. the hong kong club has a $4 door fee at night but you get one drink with your door fee. if you are staying at the hotel cascadas you do not have to pay the door fee.
special mention: there were two that i had from hong kong on this last trip that deserve special mention. one stayed with me for two hours and gave me great sex, was real gfe with lots of kisses cuddling and caressing, this one i will keep to myself. the other one was exxxxtttrrreeemmmllllyyyy ggggrrreeeaaattt sssseeexxxx pse. don't remember her name didn't speak a word of english. darker skinned super hot body super nice butt real philippine looking in the face. lots of passionate wet sloppy deep french kissing, let me go down on her and feast on her both front and back like she was christmas dinner, gave me a bbbj and a rim job without me even asking, sex was real hard core pounding in many positions which she seemed to really get into. i don't know how long she stayed but it was way more than a half hour.
adalita bar:
this is the second best club in the zone, it's a great place and really should not be missed when you visit the zone. the girls here go for $60 for the half hour i have had one or two try to quote me $70 or $80 in the past but this is very rare. the hotel fee is $12 for the half hour plus a one dollar tip for the clean up boy. many of the girls here go for more of the silicon injection look, there are a number of girls who have had the silicon breast, ass, and lips and even the michael jackson plastic surgery nose. some have gone too far with it and have the silicone tranny look which can leave you in doubt as to their gender. however, there are many other very attractive girls there that don't have the silicon look and the adalita girls should definitely be checked out. there is no door charge to enter the adalita bar and on this trip i session with more adalita girls than i did with hong kong girls. i found the session with the adalita girls to be good i had good sex with all of the ones i had. however, a bbbj is extremely rare maybe less than 10% would agree to do this and it will usually be done with the expectation of a tip. however. 90% of them will agree to let you go down on them.
other clubs:
there are many other clubs in the zone and a few jutting off in either direction from the zone. none in my opinion are worth going into. on this trip and on all of my other trips i stuck my head in and took a look at almost all of them and in my opinion none of them are worth it. i only ever session in two of the other clubs besides the ones mentioned above. on my first trip i session with one girl from the chicago club, this place used to be popular from what i have been told and used to be the main pick up joint but has now slowed down a great deal, i session here mainly because i wanted to say i did a chicago club girl. the place is slow not a lot of people in there, girls are in the 6 to 7 to 8 range, prices are $60 plus room fee. at this price i would rather go over to adalita and find a hotter looking girl. the chicago club is a good place if you want to avoid the crowd and hang out with friends without being trampled on. also on my first trip i session with a girl from one of the newer clubs called la dolce cabana or something like that. she was a hot little 19 year old who gave me a great all natural session; however every time i've gone back in i've never seen anything that interested me. as for all of the other clubs i've never seen anything that really sparked my interest, most of these clubs cater more to the mexican nationals and for the same price i would rather go to adalita or hong kong to get my girls. all of these clubs have door guys out front who will try to get you into their club when you walk by, you can just ignore them. one club i would definitely avoid is play boys i've looked inside and never seen anything that sparked my interest and i have also read reports of guys being ripped off their by the girls and the management. i was eating at one of the food carts outside of the club when one of their girls came out to get something to eat i struck up a conversation with her and she told me you pay $45 for the vip room you get a bucket of beer and you pay the girl $60 for her service, this is a little more than $100 in total for a girl that i thought was a 6 or 7 at best.
final thoughts:
after having a few trips to tijuana and san jose under my belt i was not as in awe or as dumb struck by the zone as i had been on my first few trips. given the choice between gringo gulch in san jose or the zone in tijuana i would take san jose hands down. however, this is not a knock on the zone i still think the place is great and every monger should experience the zone and hong kong club in particular at least once. given the right airline price and the right timing i would go back to the zone in a heartbeat. there will always be a special place in my monger heart for the zone and the hong kong club as it was my first monger experience.
chris.