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Just a polite reminder. Or do you prefer "Read This Fucking Forum" (the motto of this forum).
For 500$, I give you two Romanians for all night doing everything (I mean everything) in Italy.
[QUOTE=Curlyjoe]Not sure I'm following you Acolonizer.[/QUOTE]
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Quick and dull
Kiev report.
I spent 1 night at Tropicana hotel in central Kiev. 89 euro. Its what I get for not planning ahead.
Had girls in the lobby, two bars, one classy, one strip joint. Started in the strip joint bar called 'star club' or star something.
1 beer for 5 euro and the girls at the bar were rough. Had some girls walk in from the classy bar looking for punters and although they weren't rough, they weren't as good looking as the average girl on a Kiev street.
Got talking to one girl who said it was €10 to go through the door into the stripdance room, and €30 for a lapdance.
Finished my beer and went to bed as thought the prices were ridiculous. Those ukrainian girls must have been reading their own press.
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Gentleman
[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]Thanks for the detailed report, but I think you are off the mark on a couple of things...
Tell your buddy to cool down. He was wrong. Paying a fee to security is normal, it is part of the game. That information is readily available here in the forum.
Paying a 200 UAH fee to bring in a pro is the definition of a "girl friendly" hotel. As is having girls working the lobby, which is the case at the President. How much more "girl friendly" do you want it - sending girls to your room for free? (Actually in some hotels the girls to show up at your door, unsolicited, but I am not sure this is a good thing).
Sure the President is not a great hotel, or even a good one, by western standards. But it is a good hotel by Ukrainian standards. It is clean and safe and spacious and has edible food and other activities (spa or pool, plus strip club). Don't expect much more unless you are paying astronomical prices. Yes, of course staying in an apartment can avoid some of these problems, but don't expect too much there either - you will be walking through a dingy lobby and broken-down stairs. Your actual apartment may or may not be nice.
The key to happiness in eastern Europe is adjusting your expectations.
Expect great looking girls and crappy hotels.
It is better than the west, where the situation is reversed![/QUOTE]
I totally agree that you have to change your expectation...
But you have to avoid some "soviet" style managed hotels like Ukraina (nice placed, may be fascinating with the stalinist architechture) but I was not able to get to the bar (alone!). Mostly Kiev hotels are so unfriendly and so crazy that usually I get always with some flat on ul Baseina or in the area round Arena plentiful of nice and comfortable apartments, surely not dirty cheap but...
I would make an exception for a nice UA styled suite at hotel Mir costing the fabolous sum of 1300 UAH almost 130 EUR but seems the exact place to take a couple or a teen triplette eating, drinking (the shop is well stocked and the room service is 24 h). Thre is even a night the next door to the entrance (meat on place). Girl fixed fee is around 100 UAH to get up...
IT
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River Palace report
I have spent most of my time in Ukraine in Kharkov (read the relevant report), but I want to share my impressions about RP with you guys... yes I know there are a lot such reports, but just a word of warning to the guys who are more into the disco/freebie scene than the pro one:
I was totally pissed-off by the place. Bad signs already started when the waiters/bartenders, obviously used to astronomic tips, laughed at me when I told they could keep the 1 grivna change (9 gr. juice, handed to them a 10 gr. banknote) and gave me back the change. After that I got many drinks and pretended to have all the change back up to the very penny. Tipping is not common in Ukr. and anyway I do it if and when I am satisfied by the service, so it is obvious that these guys have been spoiled.
If the staff is like that, imagine the girls. After years of mongering in SEA where most *****s will be happy to act as your GF for a night, the girls appeared to be totally unromantic and only interested in $$$. 300 $ short time, btw. I had a nice flirt and conversation with no less than 5 of them, offered drinks to all of them but they all escaped when I told that their asking price was ridiculous and that I was interested in all niters anyway. They did not even respond to my bargain attempts. First they said how handsome and well-clad I was and similar bullshit and then fled away as they understood that I would not give them what they asked for. Two of them claimed to be non-regulars of the place, i.e. sale girls during the day (but I doubt they were saying the truth, so beware).
True, there are some really beautiful girls there. But I do not usually pay such high prices for hard-core pros, however beautiful they are. Furthermore, I was chatting with a russian guy who told me that some of these girls do not allow you to touch them etc., a detail that I have been reading in previous posts as well.
When I almost decided to go home alone, a beautiful and tall girl approached me asking for 200$ ST for her and her reasonably good-looking friend. I said it was too good to be true, she said it was like a lottery and it was my lucky night! I said ok, we go. We are about to enter the taxi and she starts talking about 1 hour time and other bullshit, so my sixth sense says that the experience is not going to be worth the money and I say thanks, but no thanks, I go home alone. 200$ for one shot with a model-type ***** I can also pay in my country, and anyway it is not my concept of fun (and of ST either... should be no less than 2 hours!) From previous bad experiences, I have learnt that most of the times pros propose a trio, the best looking one is likely to be the passive director and you have to fuck the friend (maybe not in that case, but I did not want to risk anyway).
So guys, just my two cents. I am sure many of you do enjoy the place and I agree that more visits are needed in order to get the best. But not a good reason enough to go back to Kiev...
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Sponsoring
I travelled to SEA many times and want to change my hunting area to East Europe. I have been to Ukraine 1x about 5-6 weeks ago. (I wrote a report here). Now I am preparing my second trip that will be in the middle to the end of July2010. I had some contact through Mamba already and met 3 or 4 from Mamba at my last trip.
I would like to know the exact meaning of "Sponsor" when it is written in Mamba.
I am a little bit confused because I read here in the forum from some fellow members they would not "sponsor" a girl, on the other hand they prefer P4P.
Am I now understanding something totally wrong here?
Thanks for yoru clarification.
Easyease
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[QUOTE=Easyease]
I would like to know the exact meaning of "Sponsor" when it is written in Mamba.
Easyease[/QUOTE]
Usually it means supporting a girl with her living costs usually across at least a few months. So you're probably looking at a minimum of $2000.
For that she's pretty much yours when you need her.
The costs are fairly prohibitive for the average monger. Me included
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If the girl has lots of slutty photos, then the term "sponsor" is likely used to refer to a short time (ie hourly) "sponsorship". If she looks like a model, it might be hourly (and expensive), or longer term and less formal. And if she looks like a girl next door, then it will be more of a girl friend arrangement where you must romance her a little (and will support her on more of a monthly basis)
Typically once you make contact, if it is an hourly gig they will tell you very soon (so best not to start off asking what type of sponsorhip they want, but rather just presume it will be a girlfriend type and be gentlemanly, and they will let you know if you are proceeding too slow)
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Bodeguita del Rio
Anyone been to this (a priori new) place in Kiev ?
Holy shit. Only 88 грн -8€- for a 4 Coronas basket. I'm not stingy, but that's my kind of place !! :)
[url]http://www.bodeguita.com.ua/menu/bar/[/url]
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Yes, RP is harsh, and overpriced, but if you know what you are doing, it can be fun. Just realize that you can get the same (AND BETTER SERVICE) for a third of the price, so just have fun, enjoy the view, flirt and chat, and then head elsewhere to make the final deals. And yes, occasionally, you will find a good deal in RP, but do not hold your breath.
[QUOTE=Abraxas]I have spent most of my time in Ukraine in Kharkov (read the relevant report), but I want to share my impressions about RP with you guys. Yes I know there are a lot such reports, but just a word of warning to the guys who are more into the disco/freebie scene than the pro one:
I was totally pissed-off by the place. Bad signs already started when the waiters/bartenders, obviously used to astronomic tips, laughed at me when I told they could keep the 1 grivna change (9 gr. Juice, handed to them a 10 gr. Banknote) and gave me back the change. After that I got many drinks and pretended to have all the change back up to the very penny. Tipping is not common in Ukr. And anyway I do it if and when I am satisfied by the service, so it is obvious that these guys have been spoiled.
If the staff is like that, imagine the girls. After years of mongering in SEA where most *****s will be happy to act as your GF for a night, the girls appeared to be totally unromantic and only interested in $$$. 300 $ short time, BTW. I had a nice flirt and conversation with no less than 5 of them, offered drinks to all of them but they all escaped when I told that their asking price was ridiculous and that I was interested in all niters anyway. They did not even respond to my bargain attempts. First they said how handsome and well-clad I was and similar bullshit and then fled away as they understood that I would not give them what they asked for. Two of them claimed to be non-regulars of the place, I. E. Sale girls during the day (but I doubt they were saying the truth, so beware).
True, there are some really beautiful girls there. But I do not usually pay such high prices for hard-core pros, however beautiful they are. Furthermore, I was chatting with a Russian guy who told me that some of these girls do not allow you to touch them etc., a detail that I have been reading in previous posts as well.
When I almost decided to go home alone, a beautiful and tall girl approached me asking for 200$ ST for her and her reasonably good-looking friend. I said it was too good to be true, she said it was like a lottery and it was my lucky night! I said ok, we go. We are about to enter the taxi and she starts talking about 1 hour time and other bullshit, so my sixth sense says that the experience is not going to be worth the money and I say thanks, but no thanks, I go home alone. 200$ for one shot with a model-type ***** I can also pay in my country, and anyway it is not my concept of fun (and of ST either. Should be no less than 2 hours!) From previous bad experiences, I have learnt that most of the times pros propose a trio, the best looking one is likely to be the passive director and you have to fuck the friend (maybe not in that case, but I did not want to risk anyway).
So guys, just my two cents. I am sure many of you do enjoy the place and I agree that more visits are needed in order to get the best. But not a good reason enough to go back to Kiev.[/QUOTE]
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A Present
On ground I am not in Kiev... I can send a link (I am not pimping anybody in any case as you all well know..).
Really a nice girl seeking a sponsor between 18 and 30, I think that 35 for foreigners will be ok. English speaking.
She wil be legal tomorrow (for US laws for UA laws she is legal...)!
17/163/48/1 blonde... :p :p :p
Just my two cents... IT
[url]http://flirt.com.ua/fialka00710/[/url]
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Latest Kiev Trip
Just a quick posting to advise of how I found the scene on a trip to Kiev recently.
Day 1 Thursday
Arrived Kiev and no problems at Kiev airport. I had arranged a transfer to my apartment and everything went smoothly.
After a quick bite to eat we went to find Shooters bar and a sober group of four friends tried to enter. We were surprised to be told that the two white guys in the group were allowed entry but the two darker skinned guys were told. No. When the white friends in the group asked why the arrogant doorman just sneered 'face control'.
I will emphasise that nobody in the group was drunk and the two dark guys were very well dressed and well behaved. IMHO Shooters has a dubious entry policy to dark people and I will never go there again. I would advise others to also avoid it. Even when I saw inside there was nothing much happening. Avoid it there are better bars and clubs.
Just need to also mention that everybody else was fine with the dark guys in the group all trip and no other club or bar had a problem with them. Only shooters.
After that took a taxi to Rio nightclub and for 100 grv you get entry to a fantastic stripclub. All the dancers are great looking and for 200 grv you get a fantastic hands on private dance. The only downside is that you have to spend a long period in the waiting area before you get to the main dance area and also that there are so few booths that it takes a long time to get a private dance after you have requested one from the manager. The final issue is that few dancers seem to speak english. This was not a problem for me with my basic Russian but could be a problem for others.
Anyway I took a shine to a beautiful blonde dancer. 8/10 and after a fantastic private dance she agreed to accompany me to my apartment for 300 USD for 3 hours. It was a fantastic 3 hours. It seemed that negotiation is not possible as the girl gives a cut to the club. It may seem expensive to many people but in my mind it was money well spent and worth every cent for a great GFE.
My friends all visited River Palace where they also took ladies home for 3 hours for between 250 and 300 USD.
Day 2 Friday
This evening we decided to visit Golden Gate pub. Whilst it is good pub with excellent pub type food. It is not the place to pick up women. No working girls.
Afterwards we visited Prada Bar. Which is a great looking bar with good music. However it was fairly empty so we left but I would imagine its a good bar to try and work the floor when it is full.
We decided to visit the Star Rhinocerous strip club. Quite far from the centre and much louder than Rio with more local men. The girls are very pushy for dances unlike Rios where the atmosphere is low key and relaxed. However unlike Rio where the girls dance topless on stage. In Rhinocerous they are totally naked.
Again great private dances for 200 grvs. All the girls seem to speak english and all are very beautiful but unlike Rio none offered to leave with customers but that is not to say they will not do so if you ask them.
Left the club to visit River Palace and it was full of working girls. They all ranged in age from 20 to late 30s and in appearance from 6/10 to 10/10. However the most beautiful girls seemed completely unapproachable and when you did talk to them they simply replied 400 USD or even 600 USD. Most girls would ask for 300 USD but would eventually drop to 200 or 250. However some insisted on 300 even late into the night.
Chose an athletic blonde. Body 8/10, face 7/10. Says that she was a dental student but I didn't believe it. It seems most of the girls claim they have other jobs and rarely visit RP. Don't believe them as all the girls I spoke to were vets.
The bar staff are also spoiled and will try to keep your change. Always make sure you ask for it!
Noticed the taxis are even more crooked than before and are now asking 200 grvs. Refuse and start looking at other taxis. My friend had his fare reduced to 100 grvs.
Girl I chose was fine but her performance was very mechanical and she left the apartment immediately after I had finished.
The Rio girls are with you for the full time agreed.
Day 3 Saturday
Visited Shato Bar and Buddha Bar both on Kreshatyk St. Both are nice places but Buddha Bar was surprisingly empty. Lots of local girls but none seemed to be working. Probably worth trying for a freebie if you have the time which I didn't.
Went afterwards to Avalon and Azhure. And this place was full. A mix of local girls. Some friendly and keen on drinks. Others not so friendly. Also a number of working girls on the second floor. Not too attractive 5/10 and not in the looks class of River Palace.
So back to Rio for a relaxing end to the evening. Same thing. Great private dance followed by a great end to the evening with another blonde ukrainain for 300 USD. A great session and again worth every cent.
One friend also took somebody from Rio home while the other guys went to River Palace and again payed about 250 USD.
Also visited Raukena just off Kreshatyk St for an erotic massage with happy ending. While the location appears to be worrying. An apartment in an old Soviet block. It was fine.
There was a choice of about 7 girls and they were all slim but about 5-6/10 in looks. However the massage was excellent and a great way to relax with a perfect happy ending if you like that sort of thing.
Also had booked and confirmed a girl from Vodka agency to visit but the manager called me last minute to advise she was unavailable. He did try to send another girl and then told me that the original girl was available later but I was not happy with his customer service did not trust what he would send so I declined.
My friend tried Gia but found it very difficult to get through to talk with the manager. In the end he decided to also forget about using them.
There you have a summary of my trip along with my experiences. I understand that some men can get women cheaper, some men can get women for free and that I may have visited some of the wrong places.
However I hope that what I experienced can be helpful to some of you and I hope you all enjoy your next trip to Kiev.
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I was in Kharkov a week ago, stayed there one week.
Thoughts? It was so shit!
I came there for a girl that we had planned everything, sex, sex nights, sex and sex
I ended up alone and only meeting and kissing!
I did all this travel for this, but its my fault I admit
And its not the worst, I spent mad money for her for nothing
I don't know where I spent it, but just the first day, 150 euros!
Then I was so pissed off that I went to brothels,
The quality? Sucks!
Only 3 girls were working at that time, 3 ugly *** yeah
But I needed sex, so I took a little girl
Her allaine was smelling shit!
I was trying to evit it as much as I could
But anyway, for 32 euros
Disappointed
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Oh and no anal, and even blowjob with condom!
Bullshit
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Hi
I am aiming to go to Kiev thursday 8th of July, I was there one year ago and stayed at Hotel Rus, and even though it was ok I think there are better and more girlfriendly places.
Is there someone that can give me contact info of how to rent an shorttime apartment?
And can someone suggest another good and girlfriendly hotel in the City, I didnt stay long last time so my knowledge of the city is limited.
And for last, as I will be travelling alone, is there someone in Kiev the same time (I will be there until sunday 11th) that wants to join up for some drinks and hunting?
Regards
/MrT
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Plan B
When you are planning to meet a specific girl in Ukraine, you need to have a Plan B and Plan C - in case girl A is not as billed, does not work out, or simply does not show up. All these things happen. So you actually need to arrange to meet 3 girls (or more) and juggle them until you find one that pleases you (or keep juggling them, if you have that much energy). There are dozens of things that can go wrong with even a well-planned arrangement, not the least of which is the girl getting cold feet.
The other thing, about spending the 150 Euros without knowing it, is the "burn rate" for going through money in eastern Europe is incredible.
I don't have any experience in the provinces, but in the major cities you can burn through cash pretty quickly without even spending it on P4P.
[QUOTE=Clement Mic]I was in Kharkov a week ago, stayed there one week.
Thoughts? It was so shit!
I came there for a girl that we had planned everything, sex, sex nights, sex and sex
I ended up alone and only meeting and kissing!
I did all this travel for this, but its my fault I admit
And its not the worst, I spent mad money for her for nothing
I don't know where I spent it, but just the first day, 150 euros!
Then I was so pissed off that I went to brothels,
The quality? Sucks!
Only 3 girls were working at that time, 3 ugly *** yeah
But I needed sex, so I took a little girl
Her allaine was smelling shit!
I was trying to evit it as much as I could
But anyway, for 32 euros
Disappointed[/QUOTE]