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Here you can find some real numbers of long term serious side effects from medications and vaccines. Officially reported in Europe. Studies have also shown that men don't always report as many side effects as women, and that may be why some numbers are skewed. Some doctors are also more inclined to come up with excuses than others too. So the real numbers are most certainly higher:
[URL]https://www.adrreports.eu/en/search_subst.html[/URL]
A second reason for why it seems women have more side effects from the covid vaccine might be related to the female reproductive organs. And infertility.
I added together the measles vaccines for 80 years at this rate (the median expected life in Europe), and it seems like the seriously injured people from the measles vaccine in Europe is comparable to the population of Austria.
When you look at the covid vaccine numbers you find approximately similar numbers. Albeit this is still early on in terms of the registration of side effects. Especially for the 2nd dosage victims. And I am sure even more so now that a 3rd dosage seems to be rolling out soon as well.
Good luck and have fun with your vaccines!
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2581664]He overpaid.[/QUOTE]Sorry but he has no balls, these upselling girls should go work in apartments, not in our clubs!
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People are more likely to be conspiratorial because your science bureaucrat are dishonest. Yeah it come from nature and not the lab. There is no pandemic. Oh it is a pandemic. Don't wear mask, it does not work. Oh we need to wear mask. Well wear two mask. Sure just take the vax, that is how we get back to normal.
Yeah, I have a hard time believe thing will go back to normal once everyone take the vax. Poor leadership. The only respond is to censor and shut people down.
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[QUOTE=DrPoon;2581668]This is veterinary technology wherein a lot of animal vaccines use the vector virus thing to deliver the virus to the pet patient since instead of making a real vaccine it is cheaper and easier to use a vector virus to traffic to body of the patient to make the antigen to make antibodies for. So this is basically a sham vaccine and used for pets instead of humans. If they make a real vaccine by killing the covid virus and injecting the dead virus then I would recommend to get a real vaccine such as that kind instead.[/QUOTE]What constitutes a "real" vaccine? First it was attenuated whole vaccines, "real" vaccines I guess. Then inactivated vaccines came about. Are they real vaccines? Then protein subunit vaccines came to be. Are they "real" vaccines? Then viral vector DNA vaccines came about. Is this where vaccines are no longer considered "real" vaccines? Now mRNA vaccines that don't require a viral vector are being used. I guess that's not considered real.
Is it the nucleic acid part that makes them not "real vaccines"? Is it the genetic material that spooks people? What specifically about the mRNA worries people?
MRNA vaccines are literally just small chains of nucleic acids floating in salts enclosed in a lipid shell. In this case, it encodes a very specific, singular protein. Hell a live-virus vaccine has more components such various glycoproteins, globular proteins, DNA or RNA, maybe a lipid envelope too. They even are accompanied by nuclear enzymes with unknown functions. So we're okay with injecting entire microorganisms known to cause disease with some of their natural pathogenic hardware, defense mechanisms, and genetic code that we don't fully understand but not okay okay with a strand of a genetic domain that we hand-selected ourselves that encodes a very specific protein?
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Absurd Flood Theory
Angela M. In the news states that climate change is somehow the cause of the floods. This is complete b. S. The neighborhoods located near a river and / or dams should have a storm drainage system with concrete storm drains with high flow water to a drainage system. The fact that these towns exists so long without flooding is a miracle. Nothing to do with climate, and everything to do with not designing properly.
Due to many of the villages springing up hundreds of years ago prior to running water and cars wherein people relied on river for transportation and water. They needed to be close to it. Now, with concrete and paved roads being close to a river is not a smart living area. They need a complete redesign with correct flood control drainage system and should hire me for consultation so I redesign some of these neighborhoods.
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[QUOTE=DrPoon;2581668]This is veterinary technology wherein a lot of animal vaccines use the vector virus thing to deliver the virus to the pet patient since instead of making a real vaccine it is cheaper and easier to use a vector virus to traffic to body of the patient to make the antigen to make antibodies for. So this is basically a sham vaccine and used for pets instead of humans. If they make a real vaccine by killing the covid virus and injecting the dead virus then I would recommend to get a real vaccine such as that kind instead.[/QUOTE]A reference to this other bullshit, please?
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2581257]Only [blue](Deleted by Admin)[/blue] need to add in additional lies when trying to mock someone.[/QUOTE]Quite an ironic statement considering the source.
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How do we know that the various vaccines with never before used technology aren't prions?
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2581671]Previous calling out of bullshittery aside, some rational points to be addessed.
Pandemic, mass deaths, must pivot. Ivermectin has general anti-microbial properties that should be considered but at current studies doses, it is an adjunct in early treatment at best. Simply using masks would be an even better policy but we can't even do that right without having to fight the conspiracy people at every turn.
Then stick to the adenovirus vector vaccines. Or the Novavax protein vax.
I find it a little odd that one is scared about a vaccine made of whole virus which has all of the genetic material more than a vaccine of only the genetic material surrounded by a lipid micelle. Like being scared of a holstered gun but not a murderer with a gun holstered to his hip.
Thank you for saying that it won't change DNA. But again the use of the term "gene therapy" here is intentionally misleading. You are quite aware that gene therapy refers to alteration of host generic material. You know these vaccines don't do that yet you keep using the term to scare people.
Who cares about controlling expression, we want it expressed 100% because that is the point. There are no other proteins encoded in the mRNA besides spike protein code..[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE]People are pretty dumb and selfish, but I'm not mad at the dummies. They can be controlled and distracted and kept FR causing further harm. [/QUOTE]There you go that is the problem. And I'm the bad guy? Thinking you are sooo smart that you want to control and distract people. I want to take the BS out of it and give people option.
It is reasonable to tell people. If you are old, does the long term safety of the vaccine really matter?
For the younger people, well covid is not that bad, it is a just a little worst than the flu. But we do want to not just end the pandemic but eradicate it. Ivermectin is just an aspirin. So do you part in eradicating the virus. You have a choice of taking vax or ivermectin.
If you are sick with covid, take ivermectin because what is the harm if it does not work. But if it do work, the benefit is huge!
What the hell happen to us, we went to the moon and now we don't have the ability to go back. We eradicated smallpox and now eradicating COVID is a pipe dream. It is the mentality of I want to control people. That is the problem. We have to say shit like ivermectin is soooo dangerous and can kill you. You are not allow to have it.
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[QUOTE=DrPoon;2581776]How do we know that the various vaccines with never before used technology aren't prions?[/QUOTE]How do I know that the bartender didn't stick his chlamydia dick in my beer? Those things live on the same spectrum of possibilities.
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[QUOTE]Pandemic, mass deaths, must pivot. Ivermectin has general anti-microbial properties that should be considered but at current studies doses, it is an adjunct in early treatment at best. Simply using masks would be an even better policy but we can't even do that right without having to fight the conspiracy people at every turn.[/QUOTE]I disagree. Ivermectin is very effective at prevention.
[QUOTE]Then stick to the adenovirus vector vaccines. Or the Novavax protein vax.[/QUOTE]Adenovirus, no. Another fail gene therapy. There is a small chance that adenovirus will integrate and will change your DNA. Novavax is the best. But I think only old people should take it. Younger people, I don't want to risk their future for my benefit.
[QUOTE]I find it a little odd that one is scared about a vaccine made of whole virus which has all of the genetic material more than a vaccine of only the genetic material surrounded by a lipid micelle. Like being scared of a holstered gun but not a murderer with a gun holstered to his hip.[/QUOTE]There is a lot that you don't know. Whole virus, if manufacture right, there is less risk of immune escape. I think the lipid micelle itself can be toxic.
[QUOTE]Thank you for saying that it won't change DNA. But again the use of the term "gene therapy" here is intentionally misleading. You are quite aware that gene therapy refers to alteration of host generic material. You know these vaccines don't do that yet you keep using the term to scare people.[/QUOTE]It is not misleading, we are using failed gene therapy technology. That is a fact. We should stick to proven technology. The new one, make sure that it is safe to the normal process.
[QUOTE]Who cares about controlling expression, we want it expressed 100% because that is the point. There are no other proteins encoded in the mRNA besides spike protein code.[/QUOTE]What? The spike protein itself is toxic.
[QUOTE]Where they will go? The only place that matters is the cytoplasm that have translation polymerase to make proteins. Free mRNA is so unstable outside of a shell.[/QUOTE]Oh I don't know maybe the ovaries.
[QUOTE]It's a pandemic. Recommending ivermectin without "gold standard" clinical trials to recommend dosages that balance efficacy and toxicity is also rushed.[/QUOTE]Yeah but we know that ivermectin is as safe as an aspirin. Look at the risk / benefit.
[QUOTE]Politicization goes both ways, obviously.[/QUOTE]Yeah but team vaccine won. There will be immune escape and we all are fuck. I just care about eradicating covid.
[QUOTE]Pipe dream in 2021. Dense population. Politics. Economics. Pandemics and epidemics will be more and more frequent. That has been predicted for decades. Something like 90% of disease causing pathogens developed when humans settled into permanent dwellings and cities thousands of years ago. It will only get worse.
People are pretty dumb and selfish, but I'm not mad at the dummies. They can be controlled and distracted and kept FR causing further harm. The educated ones who voluntarily choose to misinform and misdirect are the ones more dangerous to society. Ahem. Cough. Stop choosing the side of evil.[/QUOTE]You are sick dude. I don't want to control or distract anyone. BTW, the virus come from a lab.
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[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2581690]In addition to antibody against the original Wuhan spike protein, it reasonable to think people are also getting antibody against these lipid particles. I have no clue as to the long term effect of that. And they are going to boost people with these particle again and again due to variant. But it is all a guess, I have no prove.[/QUOTE]Uh, immune response can be illicit by ANY foreign particle. No reason to think any differently.
Your statements about mRNA localization is either out of ignorance or intentionally mentioned but fails to mention that it would take one hell of bad coincidence for a specific mRNA strand to bind to a very specific protein chaperone that escorts it into the nucleus while also having affinity for DNA, while also altering said DNA.
Yes an apocalyptic sized asteroid can escape the asteroid belt, go completely undetected for months, and hit the earth tomorrow and end all life on this planet. That's about the same probability as your concerns regarding intentionally designed mRNA vaccines coincidentally finding the perfect circumstances to enter the nucleus and exert deleterious effects on the genetic code.
[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2581714]Murse,
Oh I think is totally possible to reduce the R0 below 1. We need to use every tool we got.
Adeno virus is a new platform from failed (the forbidden word gene something.) WTF. I think gene therapy is fucking awesome. It doesn't just treat a disease, one dose and you cure a disease. Who want to take drug for the rest of their life.
Anyway, I'm concern about the platform itself, not any drug or vaccine in particular. Those other platform have work for HVB, Polio etc.
Even if you are 100% right. We are more likely to reduce the R0 below 1, if we add ivermectin to the mix for people who refuse to take any vaccine. It doesn't matter who is right wouldn't you agree that it will help bring the R0 below one. Wouldn't it be better if people have choices.[/QUOTE]Use of the term gene therapy Forbidden? No. Intentionally misused leading to misinformation by someone whose claimed credentials suggests that he should know better? Shows a lack of professional integrity.
Theoretically of course you can eradicate a single disease. Reality, not in this current socio-political environment.
Ivermectin in recommended doses is safe. Sure, give people the choice. Just don't play it off as an alternative for actual widely clinically tested pharmaceuticals for the purpose of COVID19 treatment. It certainly can't take the place of a vaccine that has clearly shown effectiveness in reducing all metrics, most notably hospitalization and death.
[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2581714]Look at what happen to Judith Smentkiewicz. She was in the ICU with on 20% chance of survival. She took ivermectin and recover. They move her to a different wing. The doctor in that wing refuse to give her ivermectin and she deteriorate. Her family have to sue, the court order the hospital to continue with ivermectin treatment immediately. WTF, the anti-ivermectin people want to kill this lady just to prove they are right?.[/QUOTE]That's a cute anecdote. But what ICU physician tells a family numerical odds of survival? We don't do that in this field because no one can possibly know. Sounds like someone added something to print in the papers. Maybe a nurse gave her this numerical "chance of survival" but providers DON'T DO THAT. That's been engrained since the proliferation of ambulance chaser lawsuits of the 1990's. At best, we'll give a quality of life prognosis.
Who knows the details of the patient, their comorbidities, or course of disease progression, [B]but giving Ivermectin 10 days after intubation, which likely means minimum 2 weeks post inoculation, likely even longer, likely means that it didn't do shit[/B] for this woman unless she was chronically immune compromised. It likely put more unnecessary strain on her liver. At this point however, the virus has done it's damage and [B]viral proliferation has passed[/B]. At this stage of COVID19 disease progression, she has likely moved on from the acute stages of organ damage due to viral replication and moved into [B]post-infection organ failure[/B]. Antimicrobials wouldn't do shit for a patient that late in disease progression because her illness is not exacerbated by the pathogen replication, the mechanism of action for Ivermectin.
But this quote by the family tells me all I need to know about the nature of the story:
[QUOTE]Michael Smentkiewicz said he also believes the power of prayer helped his mother.[/QUOTE]Praise Jesus!
[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2581734]People are more likely to be conspiratorial because your science bureaucrat are dishonest. Yeah it come from nature and not the lab. There is no pandemic. Oh it is a pandemic. Don't wear mask, it does not work. Oh we need to wear mask. Well wear two mask. Sure just take the vax, that is how we get back to normal.[/QUOTE]I don't care about the politics. Our best people do not go into politics and the highest levels are more prone to corruption. But I have less faith in "research professionals" who directly and knowingly spread misinformation. I leave the door open for government officials knowing information and strategies to which I am not privy. I even excuse them a bit for not knowing the clinical science. But people like you who purposefully misinforms for shits and giggles, I find a bit more morally bankrupt.
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[QUOTE=McGrath;2581650]Did not read.[/QUOTE]Who care you didn't read, I really don't. Do you think I write to be read? When I know many read all of me. But I visit and was able to adapt to make my day being good among a very average casting. Spending more than 17 hours, having 2 rooms, 2 hours, with same really fresh beauty and also very fresh in bed, for 365, not much I used to spend at LR 4 years ago. Spent 310 on previous week end.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2581691]Impossible to debate with you, you're a right wing fanatic with a strong anti-communism fetish.
My advice, try not to quote Russia Today because it's the nearly official voice of Uncle Vladimir who was a total commie.[/QUOTE]Well, HT must like what Daddy Vladdy has to say now: [URL]https://tass.com/society/1309539[/URL].
Daddy Vladdy says that HT is a nihilist: [URL]https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/covid-19-cases-hit-an-all-time-daily-high-moscow-2021-06-18/[/URL].
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2581634]You know when you're right over target when Murze, PiZ, 'Locky' V and BB69 come over to spam the whole thread without actually debating any of the issues. LOL!
Anyway, "cases" are going up and the politicians (more power) and Big Pharma (more money) have tasted blood. Why would they NOT do another lockdown?[/QUOTE]In a way we are lucky that UK will now experiment what happens in a country with 50% vaccination rate that completely opens up and has a high number of new cases. First they experimented what happens if you focus on as many first doses as possible (seemed to work OK until Delta showed up). The rest of Europe gets to watch for about 2 months what will happen. Thank you BoJo.