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[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]
That's a shame about Angel Disco, the last night it is jam pack like old days, hopefully the new owners learn that you can't get stupid and greedy!
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Everyone talks about this place becoming unpopular because of the door fee. It was a very small club, so 400 seemed like an unreasonably high door fee, even if it was full of available girls. Later it was that price but without the girls. I've heard this was due to the girls being treated badly by the staff and maybe the hotel too (not wanting them using the hotel toilet for example). I have yet to hear a good account of what it was exactly that drove the girls away.
But let's face it, we farang went there for the girls. No girls, no us. That's why WE stopped going, because the girls stopped going. The door fee was a factor, but not the main one.
The fact that it was jam packed on its last night is proof that it can be again, with the right circumstances.
1. keep the door charge reasonable. 200 maybe. 400, forget it. (or how about 400 gets you TWO drink tickets -- then they get their bev sales and we get a fair deal)
2. don't do anything to drive the girls away, but rather do what it takes to LURE them there (example: give the girls a drink commission to encourage guys to buy them drinks)
3. why not expand the club to include the area that has that stupid little useless bar in front? otherwise it's just too tiny
I suppose by now the hotel has figured out that its clientele isn't exactly bothered by the existence of a nightclub like this on its ground floor, but rather the opposite. So f***ing with the nightclub (by harrassing them over use of the toilets, etc) is contrary to their financial interests. So their concern over toilet use has resulted in a huge decline in room occupancy. I wouldn't say the hotel shot themselves in the foot so much as they shot themselves in the stomach. Why stay at that hotel now? It used to be a great location due to proximity to both NEP and the disco. Now the disco's gone, it makes much more sense to stay somewhere along Suk that's equidistant to NEP and SC, or even closer to SC since that's generally considered the more interesting area for most these days (thanks in large part to the disco closing).
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I wouldn't say that soi cowboy is a better place for entertaining purpose. I like both places, even I like Nana a bit more.
What are the diffrence between Nana and SC?
1. In Soi Cowboy are no Ladyboys. For me it's not a plus, since I have a good LB radar, I am never so drunken that I don't know what I do. Beside it's sometimes funny to see ladyboys and their customer. So, it adds some sleaze which is good, imho.
2. Nana have some damn good spot to see pretty girls to my likeing. Rainbow 4 for example has some nice looking girls, but also Spanky, Playschool and Mandarin. Ok, in SC you can see nice girls in Sharks, Dollhouse and on weekends in Tilac, but in Tilac they were skirts, while in Nana the girls wear only strings. All, in all I would say Nana has more stunners.
3. Opposite Nana you have a better street walker scene at Nana Parking Lot and at Soi 4 and between Soi 3 and 5.
4. Around Nana you can find CIS girls and African girls.
So, Nana is more sleazy and SC more steril, imho. So, I like more Kinky Nana.
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[QUOTE=Wendella]Everyone talks about this place becoming unpopular because of the door fee. It was a very small club, so 400 seemed like an unreasonably high door fee, even if it was full of available girls. Later it was that price but without the girls. I've heard this was due to the girls being treated badly by the staff and maybe the hotel too (not wanting them using the hotel toilet for example). I have yet to hear a good account of what it was exactly that drove the girls away.
But let's face it, we farang went there for the girls. No girls, no us. That's why WE stopped going, because the girls stopped going. The door fee was a factor, but not the main one.
The fact that it was jam packed on its last night is proof that it can be again, with the right circumstances.
1. keep the door charge reasonable. 200 maybe. 400, forget it. (or how about 400 gets you TWO drink tickets -- then they get their bev sales and we get a fair deal)
2. don't do anything to drive the girls away, but rather do what it takes to LURE them there (example: give the girls a drink commission to encourage guys to buy them drinks)
3. why not expand the club to include the area that has that stupid little useless bar in front? otherwise it's just too tiny
I suppose by now the hotel has figured out that its clientele isn't exactly bothered by the existence of a nightclub like this on its ground floor, but rather the opposite. So f***ing with the nightclub (by harrassing them over use of the toilets, etc) is contrary to their financial interests. So their concern over toilet use has resulted in a huge decline in room occupancy. I wouldn't say the hotel shot themselves in the foot so much as they shot themselves in the stomach. Why stay at that hotel now? It used to be a great location due to proximity to both NEP and the disco. Now the disco's gone, it makes much more sense to stay somewhere along Suk that's equidistant to NEP and SC, or even closer to SC since that's generally considered the more interesting area for most these days (thanks in large part to the disco closing).[/QUOTE]
Wendalla,
Much of what you said is true.. but the size. I must disagree...but everyone is going to have a opinion on this. In regards to the door charge it seem as the place got more crowded like most observation of Thai thinking greed kicks in and they saying our place is packed we are the game in town and so why not charge for a entry fee. There seem to be a regular pack of girls that always were there can't remember now but one gave me a impression they were getting something for being there and bringing in the customer.
As the place started going down hill they got the mentality that if the girls weren't going to come to the bar why should they get to use the bathroom. Like a sign that said bathroom for customer only! Along with that they continue down the path of destruction by continuing and refusing to get rid of the door charge. Does it make sense to you if the place is empty, why are you still charging. If you go back a few pages you might see a post that identify the manager and the problems that might contributed to the downfall. As a freelancer why would you go to a empty place and stand around so that you could just use the bathroom. Whoever the owner or manager was one has to wonder WTF are you thinking.
Even if new money comes into the picture if they still charge at the door they might as well don't bother in my opinion. If they can't throw free money to attract back the customer and continue to keep the place pack! Don't bother! How do you charge at the door and after the first drink still charge 170 baht for a Heniken? and the place is empty, the only girl you see worth taking him and getting drunk is your left or right hand! If they ever open again as a Disco, free, free, free, and add 5 baht to a drink, most customer won't notice a thing if they are having a good time and girls wall to wall even if it is the same girl because of the mirrors.
LBM
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[QUOTE=Wendella]Everyone talks about this place becoming unpopular because of the door fee. It was a very small club, so 400 seemed like an unreasonably high door fee, even if it was full of available girls. Later it was that price but without the girls. I've heard this was due to the girls being treated badly by the staff and maybe the hotel too (not wanting them using the hotel toilet for example). I have yet to hear a good account of what it was exactly that drove the girls away.
But let's face it, we farang went there for the girls. No girls, no us. That's why WE stopped going, because the girls stopped going. The door fee was a factor, but not the main one.
The fact that it was jam packed on its last night is proof that it can be again, with the right circumstances.
1. keep the door charge reasonable. 200 maybe. 400, forget it. (or how about 400 gets you TWO drink tickets -- then they get their bev sales and we get a fair deal)
2. don't do anything to drive the girls away, but rather do what it takes to LURE them there (example: give the girls a drink commission to encourage guys to buy them drinks)
3. why not expand the club to include the area that has that stupid little useless bar in front? otherwise it's just too tiny
I suppose by now the hotel has figured out that its clientele isn't exactly bothered by the existence of a nightclub like this on its ground floor, but rather the opposite. So f***ing with the nightclub (by harrassing them over use of the toilets, etc) is contrary to their financial interests. So their concern over toilet use has resulted in a huge decline in room occupancy. I wouldn't say the hotel shot themselves in the foot so much as they shot themselves in the stomach. Why stay at that hotel now? It used to be a great location due to proximity to both NEP and the disco. Now the disco's gone, it makes much more sense to stay somewhere along Suk that's equidistant to NEP and SC, or even closer to SC since that's generally considered the more interesting area for most these days (thanks in large part to the disco closing).[/QUOTE]
Some great ideas there. I believe people stopped going because of the door fee and then girls stopped coming as a result of fewer farang. That's what did it for me and the place was one of the best reasons to stay at Nana hotel in my opinion. I used to walk up to the door and look inside after the fee change and it was dead...nothing like when it was difficult to walk through the place and you had girls grabbing you all the way out. At the end of the night the parking lot was full of girls waiting to get picked up. It was a sea of possibility.
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[QUOTE=DG69]I wouldn't say that soi cowboy is a better place for entertaining purpose. I like both places, even I like Nana a bit more.
What are the diffrence between Nana and SC?
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So, Nana is more sleazy and SC more steril, imho. So, I like more Kinky Nana.[/QUOTE]
I wouldnt' say SC is better either. I strongly agree with you about #2 -- RB4 my favorite bar of all, for obvious reasons. SC is my Plan B. I just meant that most members I see on these forums prefer SC. Funny, they mostly seem to think SC is the sleazier one. Yes, the car park is another attraction there. I also have no problems with lady boys, any more than I do the elephants. Funny, those guys who have that problem... you know maybe it's not the ladyboys that are the problem, maybe it's your drinking. I'm not a fan of the CIS girls (speaking of elephants -- ooh, ok thats not fair) so again, not a factor for me.
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[QUOTE=DG69]Regarding the Arabs, I don't have a problem with them. They are mostly there with their 4 wifes for shopping, medical checks and what else. I even like the Ninja girls. When I worked in the magic kingdom (KSA) the eyes of the ninja girls where the only highlight during the day. Though it was the only female bodypart to be seen.[/QUOTE]I reckon they wear those "ninja" masks to keep out the pong coming from their husbands etc. ;) :D
I wouldn't care to rub noses :eek:
Unfortunately a fair percentage of the Arabs are an assault to the sensibilities of my large snoz. But of course plenty of westerners pong too. Its just a lower percentage.
Guys, its sticky and you need to "Ap Naam" (shower) a lot in Thailand.
I love the fragrant Thai pussy. Thais rarely have body odour. They are so lucky.
When I stayed in Zenith Hotel Soi 3, the Arabs really seemed to stare at me a lot like I was from another planet. It wasn't hard to feel out of place.
But I did have a really good session with a stripper girl from Pakistan once. So I will take each one as I find her.
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[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]
As the place started going down hill they got the mentality that if the girls weren't going to come to the bar why should they get to use the bathroom. Like a sign that said bathroom for customer only! Along with that they continue down the path of destruction by continuing and refusing to get rid of the door charge. Does it make sense to you if the place is empty, why are you still charging. If you go back a few pages you might see a post that identify the manager and the problems that might contributed to the downfall. As a freelancer why would you go to a empty place and stand around so that you could just use the bathroom. Whoever the owner or manager was one has to wonder WTF are you thinking.
LBM[/QUOTE]
Dave the Rave's site had a piece about this place a few days ago -- and he mentioned the owner as a friend of his, and sort of hinted that tea money may have played a role in the rising door fee. Not sure that's true or not. Complaints about the place were common on forums like this for years, and the whole thing you describe about the toilets (another was the girls being frisked and searched when entering for carrying booze in) just adds up to the place being run badly -- the guy was oblivious to the complaints apparently, maybe the only farang in Thailand who doesn't read the internet. If he did, then why not address the issues, for example by posting on the net (as Dave does) if it really was beyond his control. And there's no excuse for harrassing the girls. Again, if you know your place is all about guys picking up girls, why mess with the girls? I mean, of course theyre not going to be able to pay these jacked up liquor prices. They're not your customers, the guys are. But anyway, I can think of plausible explanations other than that the owner was clueless -- but why isn't he online explaining why it happened? I mean, apparently this Dave talked with him before putting the story up -- and theres almost no info in that one either.
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Speaking of liquor prices. WTF is going on in go go bars? My last trip I noticed fewer customers and I'm wondering is some of it has to do with the price of a drink in addition to the economy. Some places were charging 150 baht for a Singha and how much are they in 7 eleven? I can understand a profit, but gouging the customer then expecting them to down the drinks like they did when they were cheaper is stupid. You can either sell more at a lower price and capture profit or do it the Thai way and sell fewer at a larger profit and lose business. The bar fines are getting a bit expensive too. You can get a short timer in Pattaya for the price of some bar fines. How is this good business when fewer tourists are visiting Thailand? I would hesitate to bar fine a girl in a go go unless I had prior experience with her so these bar fines are hurting the girl's business. If you're going to be charging greater prices you better be providing better quality or you're going to lose business. I want to open a club with minimal bar fines and reasonable drinks which means more girls would be taken by happier customers and we'd have more asses in seats which would attract better looking girls. The snowball effect.
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SOL is tops!
[quote=nicfrenchy]hey!! no need to apologize here, we're all here to help each other!
also, i would think that sol is a much better and raunchier place than [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]... same price but a totally different experience ;)[/quote]yes, i agree. first, the place is small - so there is no place to hide. sol drinkers drink within 3 feet of the customers being serviced. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]'s action place is upstairs.
second, the action at sol is in public. i actually find it quite thrilling (the first time was a little disconcerting though). [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] curtains off each customer in his own booth.
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What about new MP?
[QUOTE=Aslan]Speaking of liquor prices. WTF is going on in go go bars? My last trip I noticed fewer customers and I'm wondering is some of it has to do with the price of a drink in addition to the economy. Some places were charging 150 baht for a Singha and how much are they in 7 eleven? I can understand a profit, but gouging the customer then expecting them to down the drinks like they did when they were cheaper is stupid. You can either sell more at a lower price and capture profit or do it the Thai way and sell fewer at a larger profit and lose business. The bar fines are getting a bit expensive too. You can get a short timer in Pattaya for the price of some bar fines. How is this good business when fewer tourists are visiting Thailand? I would hesitate to bar fine a girl in a go go unless I had prior experience with her so these bar fines are hurting the girl's business. If you're going to be charging greater prices you better be providing better quality or you're going to lose business. I want to open a club with minimal bar fines and reasonable drinks which means more girls would be taken by happier customers and we'd have more asses in seats which would attract better looking girls. The snowball effect.[/QUOTE]You are right dude. Wish you to open that kind of club.
I will be one of your first customers.
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[QUOTE=Syzygy X]Unfortunately a fair percentage of the Arabs are an assault to the sensibilities of my large snoz. But of course plenty of westerners pong too. Its just a lower percentage.
Guys, its sticky and you need to "Ap Naam" (shower) a lot in Thailand.
I love the fragrant Thai pussy. Thais rarely have body odour. They are so lucky.
When I stayed in Zenith Hotel Soi 3, the Arabs really seemed to stare at me a lot like I was from another planet. It wasn't hard to feel out of place.
But I did have a really good session with a stripper girl from Pakistan once. So I will take each one as I find her.[/QUOTE]
Well, Syzygy X, I am not sure if there is a forum rule not to insult a special group of people, or single persons. I think I did it myself when I wrote that I don't like the Indians, because of my experience with them. I met a guy in Pattaya who has Indian roots, but he was grown up in Canda and he is a very fine and good mannered guy. I guess many Indians are good guys, too. Just the ones in Thailand don't behave in a way how we would expect it as good manners in western countries.
Well, most likely they have their own standards, nevertheless I do not like how they don't make space for others, instead jostle everybody in their way, without a word of sorry. They don't stay in line on a counter and so on.
Arabs are not exactly the same. They are a bit more thoughtful and even friendly when you treat them in the same way like you would like to be treaten. There laws and rules are not fair for outsider, but personally I had never problems with Arabs. I like their food and their women are beautiful. Just a pity that they are so well guarded.;-)
Btw. Pakistanian are no Arabs. They are rather familar with north western Indians.
But, back to Bangkok. When I am walking in Soi 3 I don't get bad looks. I even went once in the Grace Hotel to check the Disco there, had no Problems. The most Arabs nowadays are together with their wives. So, imho they come for shopping and medical checks, mainly. Indian guys in Thailand go there for mongering. Seldom saw Indian guys with Indian chicks. So, as a fact Indians are much more a kind of competition, though the lower class Indians stick more with the cheaper street *****s, since they have not the money for the GoGos. Richer Indians prefer with girls and you will find them in CM2, Spicy, Bossy to chase CIS and expat girls.
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[QUOTE=PinkPearl]Their are many Arabs in the NEP area of BKK. I don't like how certain peoples, often very fat, walk in that area side by side on the sidewalk, blocking it like they own it, and make you walk around them. Word from TGs is they are very cheap and smelly. One girl told me one of them at 7-11 was staring down her bra at her big boobs and she slapped him in the face!
As for staying in line, I read recently that it is customary for Thais to also butt in out of turn, unless their is a cord like at a theatre such as Siam Paragon, or at a bank machine lineup. I found this has happened to me a few times, such as at a grocery store or skytrain station. Best not to start a fight and have 100 Thais on top of you beating you bloody and unconscious; [/QUOTE]PP,
You surprise me on this post. Let's not make accusasations on nationalities or race here, it is a pointless and stupid debate. I get accused of being farang but I'm an islander.
I look at girls big boobs also and often joke if I can play with them (you would be surprised how many times that has worked also), and I've had guys pinch my TGF's ass when we are in elevators or walking down the street, families walk down Sukhumvit / nana area with strollers blocking everything, African girls jump out and accost you in certain areas and the LB's are all over in some areas, many farang walk side by side even with their rent a wife's for a few hours, and yes if you snooze you loose when standing in line waiting to pay. You also have many Thai wait for us dumb foreigners and ask us to go ahead of them. Sometimes people are rushed for their work or such and it is polite to let them go ahead of you if you are not rushed. But this happens in many countries not just thai.
This is some of the joy's of BKK that make it unique. Many Arabs are clean and nice and enjoyable people and then you got bad ones that give all Arabs a bad name also. But same for you German's, English, French, American's, Canadians, Aussies, etc.
Soi 3 is just the area where many of the Arabs are located. So there is a higher concentration of the good and the bad. I will agree that many Arabs do not set / show the best example of their country when on holiday, but neither do the other nationalities that are in BKK.
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[QUOTE=PinkPearl]My experience in late 2008-early 2009 is that SW prices were the same, but quality of service improved. Ladies seemed more desperate for getting customers, by their agressiveness on the street, via phone, and in general guys being more able to be the boss & dictate terms.[/QUOTE]I am not sure if the number of tourists whose come because of mongering reasons, dropped so tramatically. The shear number of tourists might have dropped, but that my be because there are less package tours from Russia, China and what ever country else.
I got this feeling that the number of Indians and Arabs tourists have not been dropped.
Ok, the bars are less full like in November, but we have now low season. Many Mongers don't care to much about the political situation. The first tourists whose came back after the Tsunami in Phuket were Mongers, because they thought the prices will be low.
So, the price of mongering is much more an issue.
The prices of drinks in GoGos and Clubs are quite high, compare to the price of sex. Imagine a beer in a usual disco is about 180 Baht. A ST will costs you 1000. 2000 Baht (depending how good looking the girl is, or how ugly the customer). So, the price of sex is about 5. 10 beers.
The prices for accomodation, transportation, shopping, restaurants, etc are low as well. So, the whole package is still OK I would say. Nevertheless I think the Gogos make not more so much money with selling sex, but with Alcohol.
Guess the girls earn still enough with tips, ladydrinks and their income.
I do very seldom barfine, since it's possible to find enough freelancer.
As long as there is no cheap alternative, many mongers will still go to Thailand.
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Taxi Meter Cost
Just for your reference:
Last night I went to a birthday party of a Thai friend of mine near Udom Sak and Sukhumvit 105/2, Bang Na, that's near Central and the Big C. I had planned to stay overnight and take the bus back to Pattaya the next day. However there were so many people that I decided to get a cab at 2 p.m. and go back to sleep in my own bed. After some negotiating we settled on Bt. 1,100. The driver kept the meter on and at the bus depot on Pattaya Nua Rd. it showed Bt. 997.
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Dumb ass taxi driver
[QUOTE=Frankfurter]Just for your reference:
Last night I went to a birthday party of a Thai friend of mine near Udom Sak and Sukhumvit 105/2, Bang Na, that's near Central and the Big C. I had planned to stay overnight and take the bus back to Pattaya the next day. However there were so many people that I decided to get a cab at 2 p.m. and go back to sleep in my own bed. After some negotiating we settled on Bt. 1,100. The driver kept the meter on and at the bus depot on Pattaya Nua Rd. it showed Bt. 997.[/QUOTE]Frankfurter,
One an dumb ass taxi driver.
When you already agree on a fare, he should turn off the meter.
So did you paid the agreed fare or save 100 bht.
Fast eddie 48