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Suppose you did not have to pay. Suppose you met any of the Sharks girls in a bar, restaurant, somewhere. The girl was willing to give a blow job, fuck, and perhaps indulge kinkier desires. How many of those girls would you reject and say, "sorry I don't find you pretty or interesting, I don't want to fuck you, or receive a blow job from you" etc
My view is that compared to the average punter, most of the girls are at a more desirable, attractive level, if money was taken out of the equation. Most punters would gladly take 90% of the girls, if free. In the outside world, few punters have any shot at any of those 20 year old lasses. I am talking about the average guy in the club, you may be much better I don't know.
I too look for that one gem in a haystack. But that's because there are so many attractive girls, and I want to find the very best.
But I go a couple of months or more in between club visits due to where I live, and in that interim, I would gladly take any or most of the girls (except Sylvana) if I could.
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Most of the Sharks girls either had a face I didnt like, or a body that I didnt like. There was 3 or 4 exceptions that I could go with though. But it seemed like a needle in a haystack when there were 100 girls around in one room :)
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[QUOTE=Jnpr30;1812737]Suppose you did not have to pay. Suppose you met any of the Sharks girls in a bar, restaurant, somewhere. The girl was willing to give a blow job, fuck, and perhaps indulge kinkier desires. How many of those girls would you reject and say, "sorry I don't find you pretty or interesting, I don't want to fuck you, or receive a blow job from you" etc
My view is that compared to the average punter, most of the girls are at a more desirable, attractive level, if money was taken out of the equation. Most punters would gladly take 90% of the girls, if free. In the outside world, few punters have any shot at any of those 20 year old lasses. I am talking about the average guy in the club, you may be much better I don't know.
I too look for that one gem in a haystack. But that's because there are so many attractive girls, and I want to find the very best.
But I go a couple of months or more in between club visits due to where I live, and in that interim, I would gladly take any or most of the girls (except Sylvana) if I could.[/QUOTE]I still would turn down about half of them actually, but you are right, it is a long way up from just going with 5% of them.
Surely money is one part of the equation. Another well as important point is time. I am like you, I don't go to these clubs every week, so I want to make the most out of my time, and then the standards goes up. In every club there is a few girls better than the other girls, or some girls of one particular type I feel like going with that particular night. After too many sessions with a blonde, I normally feel like going for a brunette, and vice versa for example. Same goes for certain body shapes. I look at appearance first, and then final selection goes towards how friendly the girl is, or how easy she is to talk to.
Finding the best fish in the pond can normally be said everywhere, but you can also fish in another pond, and that makes competition even fiercer for these girls.
Last point is that you have so much sex at these clubs, that your hormone levels fall, raising your requirements even further the more you have sex with these girls.
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I went on a 1 week holiday to Romania 2 years ago. Maybe I have become too used to the facial features of Romanian girls after having spent much time in FKKs in the past, but I found that there was a very much higher proportion of Romanian girls (in Bucharest, Contanta, Brasov and Sibiu) that I found attractive compared to girls I see in say London, Paris, Frankfurt, Sydney, New York, SF. It was so frustrating then not to be able to go to them and ask them for a session, for which I think I would have been prepared to pay 2-3 times FKK rates.
So I agree that while in an FKK, one tends to become far more picky, as I would begrudge even pretty ones a 50 euro session, if they did not match better looking ones available.
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[QUOTE=Jnpr30;1812737]My view is that compared to the average punter, most of the girls are at a more desirable, attractive level, if money was taken out of the equation. Most punters would gladly take 90% of the girls, if free. In the outside world, few punters have any shot at any of those 20 year old lasses. I am talking about the average guy in the club, you may be much better I don't know.
[/QUOTE]That is stretching it for me. We get used to a certain standard of looks for face and figure in mongering and normal lives. It's hard for me to go much outside what I am used to, even if free. I don't see myself accepting much more than 70% to 80%, unless I really feel sorry for a girl and do a charity fuck. In the end though, we have to get excited enough to be able to fuck.
I have knocked back a free fuck in my life on admittedly rare occasions, so I do not write hypothetically. Some of us would rather pay for something better than take a free one, and do not have the energy to fuck absolutely everything available.
I was once offered a freebie in an FKK by a bored girl (no 20 YO) but knocked it back due to having a far more exciting girl in mind to fuck. It's like if you have set your mind that you have to try Janine, but some old bag comes along and says take me for free instead, but you simply must have Janine.
I guess guys are more into taking anything at all, when options do not exist. Also some of us are actually getting more picky as we get older. I puzzle how I could have fucked some girls done over 20 years ago when I look at photos of them. Would not take some of them if wound the clock back, even for free.
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[QUOTE=Syzygies;1812849] Some of us would rather pay for something better than take a free one, and do not have the energy to fuck absolutely everything available.[/QUOTE]Beside that it's a proven fact that men, used to visit prostitutes for a long time, are feeling much better when they have to pay for sex. It means that many married men of us would have a much better sex life with their wives at home, if they would pay 50 or 100 dollars to them in advance. LOL.
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I was once offered a freebie in an FKK by a bored girl (no 20 YO) but knocked it back due to having a far more exciting girl in mind to fuck. It's like if you have set your mind that you have to try Janine, but some old bag comes along and says take me for free instead, but you simply must have Janine.
[/QUOTE]Haha, I, glad to see that you got yr priority straight. Maybe she was offering you a freebie to get you hooked, LOL.
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[QUOTE=BarryManila;1812901]Beside that it's a proven fact that men, used to visit prostitutes for a long time, are feeling much better when they have to pay for sex. It means that many married men of us would have a much better sex life with their wives at home, if they would pay 50 or 100 dollars to them in advance. LOL.[/QUOTE]Proven fact rly? LOL.
If the wife doesn't work the guy have to give her monthly allowance, holidays, luxury bags etc etc.
Yeah for those married should start trying to give them 50 E before the action and see if the service improves, LOL.
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[QUOTE=Syzygies;1812849]That is stretching it for me. We get used to a certain standard of looks for face and figure in mongering and normal lives. It's hard for me to go much outside what I am used to, even if free. I don't see myself accepting much more than 70% to 80%, unless I really feel sorry for a girl and do a charity fuck. In the end though, we have to get excited enough to be able to fuck.
I have knocked back a free fuck in my life on admittedly rare occasions, so I do not write hypothetically. Some of us would rather pay for something better than take a free one, and do not have the energy to fuck absolutely everything available.
I was once offered a freebie in an FKK by a bored girl (no 20 YO) but knocked it back due to having a far more exciting girl in mind to fuck. It's like if you have set your mind that you have to try Janine, but some old bag comes along and says take me for free instead, but you simply must have Janine.
I guess guys are more into taking anything at all, when options do not exist. Also some of us are actually getting more picky as we get older. I puzzle how I could have fucked some girls done over 20 years ago when I look at photos of them. Would not take some of them if wound the clock back, even for free.[/QUOTE]
You are a 60 year old geezer head deep in the w-hore world. You have no fucking chance for a 20-30 year old western freebie girls anymore (neither do I).
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P.S. Here is a finnish student that we get occasionally from Helsinki bars when they are drunk.
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Hi guys,
Did anybody see in the club Jessica, Ro, silicon breasts, ex World?
Called a few times but Sharks gives no info about the ladies working on that day.
I see no reports about her and she used to be a great performer.
Thank you.
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My comment was originally in response to the idea that only a small percentage of the girls at Sharks are fuckable. Now, I have been guilty of saying something similar, about Artemis for example. As Pistons said in his reply, it is all about context. When in the club, we are pressured to find the very best 4,5 girls and the rest seem below doable standards. But my point was to say look at the larger context.
And again, this was about the average punter vs average FKK girl. Any individual here might be much better. I am happy to admit I have no illusions about myself, but thankfully I have enough $$$ to compensate, LOL.
What do we see about the average punter? First, the he average punter seem clearly older than average male population. The 20-30 or even 20-35 age group is severely underrepresented. Secondly, being in shape. Again, I am sorry to say, and I have seen this in the showers, the average punters don't seem to be in great shape. That's my observation anyway.
As for the girls, 80-90% are below 30. Several close to 20. That is a massive tilt in the good direction compared to average female outside. Second, being in shape. Despite what people say, even the bottom quartile FKK girl beats the average woman shopper in the grocery store hands down. As for face, that is subjective, but I still put my money on FKK girls being in the top quintile.
Syz and Pistons make the other point, which is entirely fair, that after shagging so many attractive Fkk girls, we are so used to a higher quality, we might reject a slightly lower quality girl and go w/o sex. That is a personal choice, and I am probably in that camp myself (going w/o sex part, not rejecting the girls part, lol)
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A problem arises if these girls notice that you like them more than the other girls. Some of them may then ask for more money as they kinda know their worth. So the tricky part is to not let them realise what Syz is talking about. Having them think it is all a charity fuck (yet still treat them well) may be the best thing that can happen.
'Knowing their worth' is another thing that also dilutes over time as you fuck more. Their worth at fuck #1 is probably higher than at fuck #5 as you are much hornier during #1, yet you do #5 as a rollercoaster ride. Yet a girl you have gone with before several times may feel that her worth is higher on fuck #5 as compared to fuck #1, but she is wrong, it is the other way around and a paradox :)
Moving further along on that thought a problem arises if you have turned down a girl say 3 or 5 times. Then suddenly you want to go with her. But she has stopped approaching you as she thinks she is not/never your type. Then you have to approach her, and having her think it is still a charity fuck will get difficult. Which is why I never completely turn down a girl at these clubs. Even fat girls can shape up and become stunners. Who knows right?
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Jnpr:
I see your point, but I see it another way as my punting style is different. There are times I'd rather not take a girl if I don't run into the right girl, but that's because I visit various clubs. The whole point for spending my hard earned money at these clubs is to find a girl that is highly desirable. Girls that would easily turn heads, and be like holy shit! Epitome is a stunner, but a pretty girl if those types are not found (If the LU down, I will not be such a stickler). Some of us have a type of girl in mind as an ideal type. Of course part of the draw is varying looks of the girls, and with that variation, the one that fit perfectly as a highly desirable is the easy pick. I don't mean I have an exact girl in mind, but with the variation you find ones with all types of looks, and girls can look desirable in different ways. Fit perfectly in different ways. That's the draw for me. The moment I spot her, that's gets my excitement going, and further enhanced with a good to greater level of service. You nailed it when you said we are paying. Free would be different, but since payment is involved, that motivates me to pick the best for the money. This can also depend on how frequently you are able to attend the clubs. If you can attend frequently like a regular to a club, with what you say, you'd probably session with more girls. But, there are others that can't attend regularly. Being limited in time translates to being limited in number of shots/sessions. But, with your reasoning, would you pick any girl, but Syvania? Wouldn't you still pick the most desirable girl among choices with the limited visit since there is a choice of 80+ girls?
With Piston's reasoning, it would be, there are more options than one club, and with those options, a club can have more desirable girls than another. If you are locked to one club, that's the LU you are aware of. You visit two, could be that one maybe a better fit for your taste over the other. Your perspective on the LU rides on your ideals, various types of girls seen/met, clubs visited, and etc.
Now, I've not mentioned service side of things, but for me optics has more weight than services, but that doesn't mean I will tolerate below avg to crap services. I see it as balancing of the two like a seesaw. Incline toward optics is fine, and can equate to fully balanced at times. Epitome is an stunner with great services!
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This is an interesting discussion which could be true for any FKK. Is it possible for the admin to move it to the lounge? I find myself agreeing more with Jnpr: Although I am younger than most of the guys I see in FKK I am in my 40's and it is increasingly harder to get dates in real life with girls in their early 20's. We in FKKs are indeed living in a fantasy world and are spoilt beyond belief. Sure there are a few girls I'd turn down for free in real life but not many. However, I do think that having so much sex with pros who are 20 years or more younger than us and in beautifully physical condition does effect us in that this becomes the standard by which we judge all girls and most girls in the real world don't match up to the girls in FKKs. Those who do, unless you're very very good looking or rich or both (or famous) won't go with 95% of the mongers at FKKs. Sure some of them will be players with natural seduction skills but then- if you're such a player and can get this high quality pussy for free. Then what are you doing in an FKK?
I think this has been discussed before but people who visit FKKs must be effected in the long run in their views of sexuality and what turns them on and the effect of FKK use on real-life relationships.
It would make an interesting PhD dissertation!
What happens to FKK long -term users if, one day, the money suddenly vanishes (business crashes or one becomes jobless or whatever?) How would a 50 year old man, average looking at best, who is used to sleeping with 20 year old Eastern European beauties for 20 years, suddenly cope?
I don't know about the others but I thank my stars every time I am in an FKK. For most people it is a only a fantasy. I think many people -- most -- are unaware of even the existence of these places!
Funny anecdote: I am not German but have been with FKK girls enough that I start to speak in German sometimes when I am having sex with non-FKK girls too. How weird is that? And my preference is now for girls who look like FKK girls.
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[QUOTE=Comvos2002;1813008]Hi guys,
Did anybody see in the club Jessica, Ro, silicon breasts, ex World?
Called a few times but Sharks gives no info about the ladies working on that day.
I see no reports about her and she used to be a great performer.
Thank you.[/QUOTE]Last saw her a week and a half ago. She's called Madi at Sharks. Works everyday except Monday's but doesn't start until 17:00-19:00.
She said she would be taking a 'short' break over Christmas / NY but didn't specify dates.
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[QUOTE=Sybarite2006;1813041]What happens to FKK long -term users if, one day, the money suddenly vanishes (business crashes or one becomes jobless or whatever?) How would a 50 year old man, average looking at best, who is used to sleeping with 20 year old Eastern European beauties for 20 years, suddenly cope?[/QUOTE]I'll put this different way. You are 50+ years old. All your debts paid years ago. All kids grew up and now on their own. So you can accept more relaxing position and sit back because your needs are getting modest.
But if you are a FKK fan, you could not allow relaxing life. You have to make more money to pay travel expenses and rooms with the girls. You work harder than young men that just build their careers. But your experience is much greater than young men. Your efforts are more valuable. This is exactly about me. FKK addiction keeps me working hard in my 55 because I need more money to spend them in Frankfurt.
Conclusion: FKK is the greatest stimulator of economy growth. LOL.