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Player:
Stop tips for Itaewon.
Don't go to the UN club, its a hole. If you want regular bars in Itaewon, I really only recommend two. Before Midnight, go to either Gecko's or Hollywood Grill.
Gecko's is right across the street from the Burger King, Hollywood is on the KFC side of street and a little to the east.
AFTER, midnight, if you want a regular bar go to the Hollywood Basement (Basement of the Hollywood Grill). The place is packed between about 12:30-5am, its all foreigners and korean girls. Generally, korean men are refused entry, so its just the foreigners and the korean girls.. oh, and a handful of seriously ugly white foreign chicks. These are regular girls though, but like I said, most of the ones that go there speak some english and are there to meet foreign men, plain and simple. As a side note, korean girls are generally attracted to money and success. So, if you tell them you're rich and have a successful career you will be all the more attractive to them.
Secondly, if you're looking the pay type action in Itaewon, you have to walk the hill. Hooker Hill. If you want to start at the very bottom, go to the Burger King, look across the street at Gecko's then head south. (In that direction there is an SK Telecom shop on the corner). Walk down the road and make your first left. That is the bottom of hooker hill. What you'll see first is alot of food stalls selling all variety of street-meat. Just keep walking straight.. you're in the midst of things now and will start seeing scantily clad girls and will hear the beckoning. Just avoid the ghouls and look for the hot ones. They do exist, trust me. See my other posts about dealing with the juice girls. In my experience, paying between 100-120 for them was much more worth the money than paying 60-70 for one of the street-side girls in Yongsan or Miari. Also, the Itaewon full-service girls (not all do full service, gotta ask, be upfront they don't care) are much less trafficked than the red-light girls. Itaewon girls do MAYBE 1 guy per night (full service) and they only work maybe 3 nights a week.. the red-light girls are heavily trafficked.
Cheers.
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Could someone tell me the best place for a foreigner to go to get a massage from a "blind" person, followed by sugar from the honey? also, as i infrequently visit seoul, directions to aforesaid establishment will be appreciated. Assume that I will be starting from Itaewon subway.
Furthermore, directions from Itaewon to the Dynasty Hotel would also be helpful. :)
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lighter9000 - Thanks for the tip. As I'll be planning a trip to either Yongsan/Songnam tonight to check it out, will let you know what I think of it.
Checked out the Gangnam area last night and mostly beer hofs (can't remember which one I went but certainly had a beer too many!) and some night clubs, 'clean' karaokes. Unable to speak the language certainly has limitations as I'm pretty sure they have the room salons there but just didn't know which establishment! Was approached by a pimp on the road and quoted prices like 150-200K for drinks and the girl to follow back to hotel.
Asked to see the girls and he said to follow him. So, followed him until reach an underground entrance and he ushered me into a room and then mamasan came in and started talking in Korean and some broken English! Asked to see the girls and she brought in 3 girls (6's), asked anymore and she said most girls with customers. Didn't quite believe that she had many more, so politely declined and quickly left the place. It was an experience as the entrance/exit was a big iron door! Imagined the door being locked and you can't get out! After that, whenever, approached by pimps, politely declined as (even though have the curiousity to check it out) thought of being locked up in a similar place was too frightening!
Also, saw many calling cards slipped by the parked cars along the alleys and collected some and made some calls from the hotel. Generally they charge 150K for 1 hour (according to the 'receptionist', the girls are aged 21 to 23 with big boobs). Was comtemplating but then I thought, why spend it on an hour if one can get it for 2 girls + whole night in Bangkok (my economic sense was prevailing).
However, that may change when I check out Songnam/Yongsan tonight but from lighter9000's advise, I may have better luck in Itaewon (which I intend to go tomorrow night again!).
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Hi all-- Well, I just arrived in Seoul this evening, but did not have time to do any planning. I was just looking over the recent posts and hope to get out tomorrow night and check things out. I really need to pick up a map to sort out these directions though. If I knew where I was going, I would head out yet tonight.
I am staying near the city center (Westin Hotel) and if there is any further advise for someone staying in this area, please pass along.
Thanks in advance!!
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Looking for suggestions for hotels in the mid price range in central Seoul. I have checked the WSG inputs but accommodations have not been addressed. Any help is appreciated for my mid-Sept 3 day visit.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by ho man
[i]Could someone tell me the best place for a foreigner to go to get a massage from a "blind" person, followed by sugar from the honey? also, as i infrequently visit seoul, directions to aforesaid establishment will be appreciated. Assume that I will be starting from Itaewon subway.
Furthermore, directions from Itaewon to the Dynasty Hotel would also be helpful. :) [/i][/QUOTE]
I got massages in the room by blind lady several times at the Marriott Hotel.
2 sessions (about 90 minutes) cost you 75K with no extra $$$ for the final firework.
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teazian
thanks for the info. is the marriott far from itaewon? also, when you say "in the room", does that mean you were staying at the marriott, or do you mean a "massage room"?
sorry for my seeming ignorance - but thanks in advance for your help.
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Went to Yongsan/SinYongSan area last night and walked through the various 'mini rooms' of the girls with all the girls calling out to you. Price range from 40,000 to 60,000 (is this the normal price range?) Saw a couple of 8's but mostly 6s. After surveying the area, negotiated with one of the 8s (55,000) and escorted to a room behind. Came to a small room and immediately felt uncomfortable as there were a couple of guys squatting down near the rooms and they were speaking quite loudly to the girl, asking her questions (I presume).
Whatever appetite I had was gone when the girl started pointing at me while speaking to them. So, to avoid any untoward incident (on me, it could be me getting paranoid) I decided to make an excuse saying that I needed to buy cigarettes and quickly headed out of the door and got out of the area while sidestepping the various 'mamas' on the street trying to grab hold of you. One even followed me until I got on the taxi! It was certainly an experience!
Went back to Gangnam area to have a couple of beers and to relax myself. Managed to check out the music rooms and usually it is about 30 to 40K per hour (with a lady accompanying you in the room). While walking back to my hotel saw a few lookers coming out of this place called Iris and they sure looked like 10s to me and they dressed rather like executives! These are the chicks that I'm talking about! Went in there and the y were closing. Rats! Will try to check it out tonight!
ho man - Marriott is in downtown Seoul. You can either take a cab or subway. As for directions from Itaewon to Dynasty Hotel, here goes, Presuming there is no other Dynasty Hotel but the one opposite of Ritz-Carlton in Gangnam, then you would need to take a subway from Itaewon station (heading to Bonghwasan end) and change at Yaksu station to Line 3 (Orange) and go to Seoul National University of Edu. station (Suseo end). Change to Line 2 (Green) and the next stop is Gangnam station (#222). Once you reach the station, check out the map where Ritz Carlton is (Apologize as don't know the street name), and Dynasty is located opposite of it.
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Forgive how uninformed I am coming here, but I have no local friends to guide me. Looks like I'm going to have a tough time... In looking at the posts here, it seems that if you are a foriegner and don't speak Korean (that's me), you are pretty limited on your options.
Tell me if I have things right here. In this situation, you basically can:
a) hit Iteawon and walk "the hill"
b) hit Iteawon and try Paradise
c) hit Chonyangni 588
d) hit Yongsan ("B row" of course)
Am I missing something?
Also, I'm interested in hitting a Turkish (Turkey) Bath, but saw no references here and didn't really know how to recognize one (yes, this is my first trip to Seoul).
Are there other option for foriengers who don't speak Korean?
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Bugs:
a) and b) are the same. "Walking" the hill simply means walking up the hill and deciding which juice bar to go into. The girls usually stand in the doorway so you can get a look at them. They will either beckon you or smile etc. Paradise just happens to be one of the number of juice bars.
By juice bar, I mean this, you go in and the girl sits next to you. In all cases she will get real cosy with you, snuggle up, fondle you etc. You order a drink (regular price) and then she'll ask for one. She'll start at 20,000, just say no, the lowest they'll go generally is 10,000. Depending on the girl, some drink hard liquor neat, others different stuff, but always 10k. Never beer. Hard Liquor in a regular joint is usually 6000 anyhow. Now, you can either sit and drink and talk with this lady.. and she can suck more cash from you or you can move negotiations on further. In some cases I've never even bought a drink.. just sat down, negotiated and left. Not all the girls do full service. Ifs thats what you want, ask. Otherwise most will definately do HJ or BBBJ. Keep in mind the BBBJ is usually IN the bar (the seating is partitioned with high walls in all these places, most are small and cramped).
If you're after more than just company, make sure you ask before you buy her too many drinks. Some chicks are more than happy to just suck 10k girly drinks from you and do nothing. Others will offer to hand, suck, screw you. Depends on the lady. If you get full service, she'll take you to a place nearby, less than 5 min walk. I'm not positive, but there MIGHT be a barfine involved. Last time I got FS on HH I negotiated her down to 100k, but she said the mamasan needed a 20k "tax". BTW, these places also take credit-cards... a couple of time's I used mine because I was drunk after the regular bars and horny as hell and low on cash. Never had a problem with it.
As for redlight districts... you have many choices.. you have 588, Yongsan, Miari, Seongnam.
Turkey Bath is in the basement of the Dynasty Hotel I think.. never been.
Anyhow, you can find directions and reports to all the RLD's in Seoul on this board. Make sure you check the archives -- 2001-2002. Its all in there. You can get girls as a foreigner in any of the RLD's... just not the 10's. My honest opinion is to avoid them, yes they are the cheapest for sex (50-60-70) but these girls are heavily trafficked by mostly koreans and usually go bareback.
Player:
What "calling card" did you call where you were able to speak with an english "receptionist", I've never found one that spoke any amount of english.
Also, 40,000 is pretty low for Yongsan, are you especially handsome/young? Or were the girls offering 40 of lower quality? What day/time was it and was the area busy? I suppose it all comes down to supply and demand... slow nite = 40k better than nothing.
General Tip:
Any area around Itaewon Monday-Friday (this includes Yongsan) is better after 1am. Reason being is that the GI's have a 1am curfew, the MP's sweep the area looking for anyone breaking the curfew and snap them up. Generally most GI's obey the curfew, so after 1am you have the pick of the litter and the girls are generally more receptive to you. Because a) its slower and b) they know you're not a GI.
GI's have a fairly bad reputation in Korea for a variety of reasons. Most koreans hold a good deal of resentment. Most recently two korean schoolgirls were crushed to death by a US APC. So many girls ask where you are from... to get better service I'd suggest not saying you're American. English, Canadian, Dutch, Australian... they like.
So if the girl says: "MEE GOOK?"
Say: "AH NEE YO, KANADA SAH RAM"
It seems to help. They nearly always ask.
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Hi guys
I'm out of the country. Now in Singapore. Thanks for the tips and sure had a good 'learning' experience. May be back in August and hope to have more time too!
Didn't do too much on last night as worked until quite late around 10PM (cos had to make sure everything was done, this was a business trip anyway :) !). Colleagues took me for dinner and then took me to buy some local Korean goods for souveniours. Amazing that the shopping mall opened 24 hours! By the time arrived back in hotel was about 1AM and by the time I packed all my stuff it was around 2:30AM. Didn't feel like going out again and since Iris was closed (also, just took my bath :) ) and I have to be up by 6AM to catch the airport limo bus, so reserve some cash for my Thailand trip! Till next time guys!
Lighter9000 - Your tips have been a great help! Much appreciated! The number is 019 837 5924. Questions that I asked were, how much for massage? How long? What does it include (Reply was Massage, BJ and FS)? Girl, how old? Want big breast and pretty, not pretty send back, ok? How long to come hotel? These questions pretty much get what I'm looking for. Of course there are other numbers if you want cos I collected some of these cards and thought of showing it to my buddies.
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Adding a note to Lighter's comments, I walked the Hill once and wound up in a juice bar with all deaf girls. Very eager though.
Negotiated to bring one back to my hotel for the night after two beers (for myself). Paid for the two beers and the bar fine with credit card. Bill should have been $50. When the statement came, the charge recorded was $600.
Luckily, had the receipt as I was expensing it as dinner!
Careful where you use your credit cards.
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lighter9000:
You are right on the mark when you talked about faking your nationality. We Americans have bad reputation here thanks to the retarded GIs. I hope that Koreans realize that we are not all like the GIs as most of us are refined and well-behaved. They should realized by now that these GIs are [blue][Racial Expletive Deleted by Admin][/blue] that no one, not even an average American would deal with. [blue][Racial Expletive Deleted by Admin][/blue] They claim they are here to protect the Koreans from the North based on some irrational ideology and they think they are heroes or patriots, well guess what, the real American patriots are out in Afghanistan and Koreans can defend themselves against an enemy that's 20 times poorer than them. Most of these GIs are unbelievably cocky even though they are [blue][Racial Expletive Deleted by Admin][/blue]. And as most of you know it is the [blue][Racial Expletive Deleted by Admin][/blue] people of society that makes a nation look bad as they send condescending attitudes toward people of other nationality. I see it as a pathetic defensive mechanism based on their own inferiority that they garnered when they were in the states. They need to be condescending to others just as others (most other Americans) had been condescending to them.
As a intelligent American that have been working in Korea for two years as a constrution engineer, I'm deeply ashamed for the American GI's behavior. When I was young, I had deep reveration for GIs, but it was different back then, we had normal, hard-working Americans volunteering to become GIs like Ted Williams, but now we have drug-addicts and high-schools drop outs. It seems that my Korean friends both males and females all have little or no respect for the GIs. They always talk about their rude behaviors and lack of intelligence. I heard that most of them can't even solve simple algebraic equations, and to them calculus is Einstein's theory of relativity. When a Korean girl asks me where I'm from I always tell them I'm Canadian or Dutch-their favorite.
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MAC
Do you have any pictures of places and girls you are talking about? Do you have a web page? TIA
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lighter
Thanks for the many helpful hints. I ventured out on Wednesday night and have not had time until now to post about it. I went to Iteawon and walked the hill, quickly figuring out that there is only juicy bars there. I had though there might also be girls avaialble like in the RLD in Amsterdam.
So I got there about 1:15am and saw someone who was obviously a GI out after cerfew leaving the scene quickly. Pretty funny. I walked up the hill and took a look. Things were relativly quite and somewhat subdued. There was a group of US MPs near the top of the hill. On the way back down I stopped in to a girl I saw on the way up and found attractive. I'd say 7-8, but I like the slim ones, so higher in my book.
Went in and she immediately closed the door behind us. There was only two tables in the place, no partitions. Venus is the name I think. Mindy was the girl's name. Anyhow, bought a beer and went ahead and bought a drink for her. I sort of like letting them come to me a bit, even if I do drop 10k won.
Anyhow, she was nice a cuddly and asked about me. This is where things were a bit strange. Not keeping my head on (so to speak) I told her I was from the US and she had no problem with it. Probably since I was still dressed for work activities and am pretty clean cut. She obviously saw me as a rich sack to raid. When she discovered I work for a big US company and I was staying at the Westin Chosun while here, she started getting petty hungry.
So she was stroking me and then starts giving me a BBBJ. Not a bad start, I'm thinking.
So she asks if I want to make love to her. I was loking for exactly that and said yes. We started negotiating price and here is where the info about me came back to bite me. She asked 300k won. I wasn't going for that and started pulling it down. She was pretty insistent and wouldn't go below 200k, including a drink for her.
Counting the money I had with me, I found I only had 150k. I didn't bring any creadit cards with me (good thing). Anyhow, she says OK and we undress (the rest of the way since we were both about naked at this point anyhow). We are in the juice bar, but alone, so space is not a problem. Being 6"5", cramped spaces don't go well with me. So first thing she does is bend over for me to come in from behind. This surprised a bit based on other posts, but I certianly was not going to complain.
Anyhow, had a good run, but didn't last as long as I would have liked -- its been a while. She was enthusiastic, which works for me. In the end, she was definitely wanting me to visit again and offered to go on a date, presumably to spend the night with me at the hotel she is so impressed with. She gave me her number and repeated a number of time that I can't forget her and that I need to call her to have some fun. I just might stilll...
In the end, I blew 175k won (I think I missed another drink I bought her in along the way). Perhpas a bit expensive, but a good experiance for me.
This was definitely different than Amsterdam where is is much more impersonal and standard process -- suck a bit (with condom) then missionary fuck in most cases.
I'm tempted by the cheaper prices, but liked the juice bar style. Are the juice bars other than in Itaewon?
So that's the story. Can anyone tell me what I shoud expect if I call her and try to negotiate a night together? How much should I expct to pay, and how much is more than usual?
Thanks for all the great posts in this area!!!