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You don't have a clue
[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2493090]If these girls are prepagos the $$$ is the only thing that matters.
You're right they are going to go back to their broke Colombian novios in their ghetto barrios.
I'm personally not looking to make an emotional connection with these girls. I'm only interested in doing dirty things to them.
And every once in a while I see a girl I must have I'll pay whatever it takes as long as she agrees to my terms.
The next day I wake up I don't feel regret or the need for anything more.
We are mongering here, fucking for sport. Not looking for love.[/QUOTE]If these girls are prepagos the $$$ is the only thing that matters.
Some hookers I meet working somewhere fuck me for free, without me even asking.
What's up with that?
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[QUOTE=BlackPage;2492960]We European always feel this US 15%-20% gratuity thing a real extortion every time we go to USA. If the bill for my table dinner is $500, why the heck should we give $100 to the waiter?? At the end of the night, the waiters collect a basic monthly salary. Every night. Hard to accept this.
In Europe, we leave 5 EUR to show our appreciation for the service. I remember once, when I wanted to leave 2 SGD on the table after my dinner in Singapore. The waitress run me back, calling me when I was already out of the restaurant, presenting me the 2 SGD note "Hey Mr you forgot this money![/QUOTE]I can explain that one to you.
In the US, in most states, the minimum wage for waitstaff is $2.13 per hour. Without tips a waitress makes $17 in 8 hours.
I believe every state requires the employer to guarantee $7.25 per hour, if there are not enough customers or tips, but in those situations most restaurants just send people home, rather than pay them.
During slow times a lot of waitresses are bringing home less than $100 per week.
If tipping bothers you, don't tip. If you don't want to tip more than 10-15%, don't. Just don't make a habit of returning to the same restaurant. Unless you enjoy having your food seasoned with phlegm and testicles.
Myself, unless the service sucked, I tip. Mostly I eat at cheap places, making a big, 30% tip, about $3. 50. I tend to frequent the same restaurants. I tend to have very few complaints. I tend to get occasional perks: a free dessert, free drink, getting moved to the top of the list when people are waiting for a table, getting seated in my preferred section, getting my preferred waitress, handshakes and hugs. In my opinion, the $150 extra I spend on tips each year is a good investment. It, so I believe, gives me the dining experience I want.
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[QUOTE=Surfer500;2492967]I remember while in Japan it was considered an insult to even leave a tip. To bad there aren't more Countries like this in the World. I remember several years ago eating lunch with my boss in a diner. The service was horrific, and after we got the bill and the waitress came back with the change my boss left 2 cents on the table as the tip. Instead of leaving nothing as though it had been an oversight, it was a very stark way of saying the service sucked.[/QUOTE]There's actually a forgotten code for tipping. If the service sucks you leave a penny. If you leave nothing, you may have just forgot.
If the service is excellent you leave a standard tip plus a penny. A big tip might just be because you didn't have change. The extra penny shows it was intentional.
Of course now everyone just uses a card.
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[QUOTE=Kazeu;2493005]LOL. Sorry I may have been a little overpassionate in my response. Catching a little jjbee vibe.[/QUOTE]It might make others uncomfortable, but I'm happy you think of me and become passionate. Just don't send me the pictures.
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[QUOTE=Flak3;2493009]Paying more won't change the fact that you're eating a Denny's steak, but the context matters. Would you pay $1,000 for a Denny's steak if it was the last steak on Earth? People value things differently and are willing to pay more or less for something based on the situation. Why does the price of a coach seat change depending on day and time? The seat is the same, the flight is going to the same place, you're not getting anything extra, but the price is more. (Holidays, Summer, morning vs. Evening, Friday vs. Monday, etc) And people are willing to pay it because that time and date are valuable to them based on their situation. Similarly, when a flight is oversold, the airline offers people money for their ticket. Again, it's the same seat, but now the airline is offering you hundreds of dollars over the price they sold it to you. And some people will accept the offer while others won't. The seat hasn't changed, but its subjective value has changed. And depending on the situation, a seat in coach could be worth $10,000. Would you pay $10,000 for a seat in coach on the last flight out of a quarantined country during a pandemic without a cure? If you're SJobs, you might pay $10,000 for the last flight in to have all the girls to yourself.
Objective means without personal bias or preference. Diet and spending habits are not objective. I didn't say anything about a vacation, just the weather during winter in Hawaii vs Siberia, as hyperbole. And yes, you can compare two experiences and determine which was better. You agree a vacation is better than prison. Certain things are better. But you're right, the context matters..[/QUOTE]You seem to understand the difference between objective and subjective, but you don't understand the difference between objective and subjective.
Comparing prison sex to vacation sex is a false equivalence. Comparing sandpaper to 1000 thread count Egyptian cotton is hyperbole.
Leave prison and sandpaper out of it. Is sex in Hawaii better for every person on earth than sex in Siberia? Is a steak at Morton's a better meal to every person?
The answer is no. When it comes to pleasure, there is very little, if anything that is objective. I knew a Dominatrix in Phoenix. The things guys begged her to do would cause you to yak up that Morton's steak all over your first class seat. I met a guy in Seattle who was passionately in love with a woman 40 years older than him and he was in his 30's. There are guys on here who are crazy about huge asses or tits, no matter how saggy, or how awful the surgery.
You can't, in any way compare someone else's experiences to your own experiences objectively. All you can make is a subjective judgement.
Sitting in coach, I once watched the woman in front of me masturbate. Did I enjoy that more than you enjoyed flying first class?
Riding on a Greyhound Bus, I once woke up to a 19 year old cutie, sitting on my lap and squirming on my dick. I was 17. Did I enjoy that more than you enjoyed riding in a limo?
That probably needs an explanation. In Tallahassee, a few of us ran to a nearby liquor store, each bought a bottle of cheap wine and snuck it on the bus. I was in a drunken sleep in the smoking section, and there were no empty seats in the smoking section. So the woman picked my lap as a good place to sit.
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[QUOTE=Kazeu;2493040]I don't think I've ever called anyone else a fool for paying what they want to pay. I've only called myself for fool for paying more than I needed to pay in the past. The only reason I tell people how much I pay on this board, is because I think it is relevant. How many people come to this board and the first thing they ask is "Whats the going rate for XXX in medellin?" My pricing is a data point you can put into your calculations if you want to. If you don't want to, that's up to you. I'm not forcing it down anyone's throat.
I'm not bitter at all towards these women. Why would I be? Why would you think that? Because I try to negociate with them? Its part of the game. Are you bitter at everyone who tries to negotiate a better price with you? Do you think the girls are bitter at me because I don't pay them 200 k or 300 k per session? If they are, I can't tell. They all seem happy to me. If they don't want to session for what I pay, that's fine too. I move on. And they move on.
Keep in mind that this is a lifestyle for me. I don't come down to Medellin for 1 week and spend all my money as a 1 week millionaire. I'm down here for a much longer term. Which means I have a something that a those guys don't have: time. I can wait for a better deal. Guys coming down for a week, don't really have that luxury.
I think that's a very concrete divide. The people who try to spend less are probably spending more over a longer term and more chicas. The ones who come down for a limited time spend more on a per chica basis.[/QUOTE]There you go. This one is a good one.
People ask for and need information. Some of us give it. Some of them then go and have fun and report back, and the forum serves its purpose.
Unfortunately, too many insist their way is the best way, or the only way. Then they either rationalize it or try to prove it ("the chicas all tell me they think the guys who pay too much are fools".
If you're paying someone for sex and you spend your time finding out what other guys pay and what the girls think about them, perhaps you don't understand the concept of paying for sex. I can understand having a conversation. I can't understand how the topic ever gets to "what about guys who pay more than I pay?
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[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2493043]If they feel inferior for overpaying they should.
Its not your fault or your job to give them an excuse for doing it.[/QUOTE]I don't. When I overpay, I don't feel inferior. When I underpay, I don't feel inferior. I'm the guy everyone calls arrogant. Remember?
I don't really understand the concept of overpaying for sex. Where exactly is that price tag located? Is there a barcode somewhere I need to scan?
If overpaying for sex is an actual thing, every time you pay for sex, you're overpaying for sex. Is someone who overpays by more than you, somehow a fool, or inferior?
Some of the best sex of my life, with one of the more attractive women I've known, cost me 2 bottles of cheap wine. In return I got to stay in a nice apartment in Richardson, TX for 3 nights, I got 5 decent home cooked meals, plus snacks, plus drinks, plus got me 8 rounds of bareback sex. On Monday morning she kissed me goodbye. I think the wine cost about $15.
When I pay for sex, what I pay is what I pay. What I get is what I get. I rarely am dissatisfied with the results.
If the only way you can enjoy the sex you're getting, at the price you're paying, is to toss insults at anyone paying more, the sex must not be that good.
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[QUOTE=Kazeu;2493040]Keep in mind that this is a lifestyle for me. I don't come down to Medellin for 1 week and spend all my money as a 1 week millionaire. I'm down here for a much longer term. Which means I have a something that a those guys don't have: time. I can wait for a better deal. Guys coming down for a week, don't really have that luxury.
I think that's a very concrete divide. The people who try to spend less are probably spending more over a longer term and more chicas. The ones who come down for a limited time spend more on a per chica basis.[/QUOTE]Exactly, Kazeu. I had ten days and still did not get to see all the women I had wanted. Before I paid a woman a dime, I was out close to $2000 in air fare, hotels, PCR ETC, and I am lusting to see this woman I have been staring at for six months. I pay her $100 and somebody here says something to the effect that I overpaid by $50. You cannot make this stuff up.
I do not think guys could handle the truth about Angel so I am not even going to post about her. I was with her the last five days of the trip. She affirmed her status as the best. The reason I have not totally committed to her is that I want to have more than one option if things do not work out. She is not happy I am seeing other women but she has told me that she understands.
She has been adamant about not being a working girl type out for money. I have paid for trips and meals but the only two things I recall buying for her were a dog and swim suits.
Her own family has tried not to abide by this. Her sister is a FB friend and asked if I could bring a kind of toy only available in the USA. It was only $20 but Angel insisted her sister pay me. Even when I said it was okay, she got the $20 from her sister and said, "Here. ".
One of the things that has tremendous value to me is if the women are mobile. Three times I have been bought tickets for women to Mexico from Colombia, and only one of the women, Angel, got through. Anytime a young, pretty, single woman shows up in Mexico, it is assumed they are hookers.
I actually planned for Angel to get held up at Mexican customs when she travelled there, and I was going to pick her up at the airport. I planned on getting there 30 minutes after she hit customs. She made it through in five minutes and asked, "Where are you?
I actually talked to my brother about this. Was it fair praising Angel getting through Mexican customs over the other two women or was it just luck? I did not think the praise was unworthy. My brother did.
The reason I actually brought up the guest fees and whether a woman looked like a hooker at the lobby was because of what Angel did.
I checked into my last hotel for two people but did not give the hotel a name. She texted she me was coming to the hotel but she did not let me know when she arrived. She totally charmed the hotel clerk so much so that not only did he let her on the elevator and use his key card to get to my floor, he called to let me know with a smile in his voice that Miss Angel was on her way up.
That is a value for quite a few reasons. First off, I do not have to worry about guest fees. The second is that I do not have to worry about many people calling her a working girl, which is a huge negative for a woman no matter what they say, because unlike the other women she has sold everyone on us. The third thing is that if I buy her a ticket to another country, I do not need to worry about customs with her. It was not just customs and one hotel clerk. Time and again, I saw her charm strangers, and they treated her like she was their best friend.
There is also value in something about really being with someone. A lot of times in this field you are with someone but they are so distant that you feel alone. I do not care if I only paid $10 for someone. If I feel that way, I got ripped off. I felt that way with some of the women I saw but not with her.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2492759]You are reaping what you sowed. Remember all your claims that AIDS never happened? I was just reminded of that recently. I'm rereading "Imajica" by Clive Barker, published in 1991, in the height of the AIDS epidemic in the US. AIDS gets a small mention in the story, yet he does an incredible job of describing the progress of the disease. Remember my post about my volunteer work, along with my wife, with the AIDS, Art, Alive group in San Diego, including a few searchable details and descriptions of a few of the afflicted artists? Do you recall?[/QUOTE]First off, JJBirdbrain, atrial fibrillation is not related to Covid. Secondly, the problem with that disease is that condition is associated with blood clots being sent to the brain, I. E. Embolic strokes. Maybe you can see a cardiologist again because memory seems to be an issue with you.
As for AIDS, a common cancer seen with it is Kaposi's sarcoma. This is rarely seen with drug abusers but commonly with gays because KS seems to be related to herpes. Why would I deny something as true that I have seen? Hmmm?
What about people who got AIDS via heterosexual sex? I don't know because THAT does not exist.
I have nothing to prove to someone who pulls that comment about tinder out of his ass and then lies about what I said about AIDS.
Your lies are irresponsible and you are totally full of shit, Tinder.
Do you recall how you declared everything I wrote was untrue? Remember how you exaggerated what I wrote, trying to make me look like a liar? Is that jogging any memories?
When you call someone else's posts nothing but lies, even when a simple search in the archives of any newspaper will confirm many of the details, you have surrendered the right to demand everyone accept every word, no matter how unbelievable or contradictory, with no means to verify any part of the story, as the gospel.
By your past actions you have placed yourself in a position where every word you write will be scrutinized and challenged.
Which brings us to my parting shot.
On more than one occasion you've flexed your "don't take no shit from women, everyone else is living in fear" attitude. Yet, you let "the queen" tell you "no" for sex, hid the fact you were in Colombia from one, lied about having Covid to another, snuck into the other room to try and keep one girl from finding out about another one.
Put on your dog collar and gimp mask. Not only are you paying 11 women, who in one post you claimed all came to see you, but in another that changed to 7 women (and it's all true), but you're letting each one of them dictate your actions.
Instead of "cough, cough. I'm sick, I can't see you" (after months of paying her), someone with testicles would have either shelled out a few more dollars to get some return on the "investment", or told her "I've given you enough for a bus ticket. Get your ass here. ".
Instead of letting a woman, who's spending the night in your bed, put you off for sex, someone not living in fear would have told her "I'm fucking tonight. If you don't want to be involved you need to find someplace else to sleep."
Instead of hiding from the one woman, any self-respecting man would have told her he was busy with other things and he would see her on the agreed day.
For all your "me Tarzan" posturing, you're a rather pathetic little boy. You're terrified one girl will find out about another. You keep sending money because that's the only way to get them to like you. You hide and simper and try to convince each of them of your devotion.
Keep at it little fellow. If nothing else, the contradictions are hilarious.
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[QUOTE=Blakman;2493055]Now sangnyc, guys who penny pinch about a few dollars are never bitter towards the girls. At least I can speak for myself.[/QUOTE]You get that is a contradiction right?
[QUOTE=Blakman;2493055]I understand I am offering way less so a rejection is expected. My thought process is I am the prize not you. If you want me you accept what I offer.[/QUOTE]I am shocked, just shocked that this approach does not work all the time.
[QUOTE=Blakman;2493055]Now I give it to you that sometimes a penny pincher can over do it at times and miss out. But again the attitude I am not paying what is over your worth. Here is the most humorous part. The free spenders similar to elvis, sjobs. Firmly assume that the wealth they proclaim can control these girls and will be at there beckoning. It is these guys that become bitter and call these girls putas.[/QUOTE]I do not know Steve Jobs, but from what he posted, he and I are looking for different things. The best sex I had on my trip was with Angel. I spent five days with her, and I did not pay her anything.
If there is a woman who she says that she is going to show up and does not, I am not going to be happy about it even more so if I helped her out in the past. I was annoyed and disappointed not embittered but more because she wasted my time though than my money.
[QUOTE=Blakman;2493055]When they discover the wealth meant nothing to these girls as they still rather be with there non income colombian novios LOL.[/QUOTE]Wealth means nothing to Colombian women?
I agree with MDS. The "I am the prize" line wins quote of the year but wealth meant nothing to these girls is a close second. I am glad you have it all figured out though.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2493051]And you have a false equivalence going. Not being a sucker doesn't mean you're broke. In fact in this game the ones throwing around the $ are usually the ones that have little beyond a couple of brief vacations per year.[/QUOTE]I am not here trying to impress chicks that have less money than me. I am here to get a good deal on some pussy. I am fucking about 100 chicks per year. I am not of the mind to be paying each one $100. I may throw $20 or $30 at them. If you are only fucking 5 or 6 chicks per year then throwing $100 at those 5 or 6 may be feasible.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2493312]If you're paying someone for sex and you spend your time finding out what other guys pay and what the girls think about them, perhaps you don't understand the concept of paying for sex. I can understand having a conversation. I can't understand how the topic ever gets to "what about guys who pay more than I pay?[/QUOTE]LOL. It does not really happen like that Jj. First of all I am surprised at the amount of guys here that advocate for Short Time. Traditionally my STs have come if I am visiting a casa during the day. If I get a chick coming to my place then it is 9 times out of 10 LT because I will typically do that at night. That is just how I was "raised" in the mongering world.
We would go to the disco in Rio and bring back chicks and they would stay all night and you would have to make them go home the next day. It was the same when I started going to Dominican Republic, Thailand, Philippines, etc. These would all be GFE sessions and it would usually cost about $30. Day ST ($10 - $15). Night LT ($30).
ST during the day I still talk to chicks but maybe it is not too indept. When a chick stays with me I am not fucking her every single minute. I have my things to do and she is doing whatever the hell too. Maybe her phone is going off and she is trying to hide it and I will say I don't care about that shit. Talk to them. May be some dude living somewhere that sends money and shit. Out of curiosity I may ask how much does he send. Then they start showing me their paypal and shit of all the guys sending money. To me it is just normal ass talk when dealing with cool ass GFE hookers.
Earlier today I was talking to a chick I fuck in Bogota. She was saying something about going out to look for a job in a restaurant. I said what about that "disco" (actually expensive ripoff casa) you took me to that you said you work at sometimes. She said they only pay 20 K. I thought she meant 20 K from what the dude pays which is like 300 K. But she said no. You get 20 K from just hanging out at the place then the real money when the fish bites. But places are empty now if they are open at all.
What you are describing is the Tijuana method of paying for sex. They pull down their pants and you are lucky if they take one pants leg off. You hump away in 2 positions max. The girl does not look you in the eye. You pay then you leave.
My sessions are usually a bit more personable than that and subjects like what somebody else is paying or what someone else is doing may come up. Some chicks will even tell me how cheap I am. But they will not be saying it in a condescending sense. They mean it moreso saying that I am smarter than the average monger in that they are willing to pay way more than what it takes. Whereas I am only going to pay what it takes. I have never had a reason to pay $100 for some pussy that I can have for $30 all things being equal.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2493326]First off, JJBirdbrain, atrial fibrillation is not related to Covid. Secondly, the problem with that disease is that condition is associated with blood clots being sent to the brain, I. E. Embolic strokes. Maybe you can see a cardiologist again because memory seems to be an issue with you.
As for AIDS, a common cancer seen with it is Kaposi's sarcoma. This is rarely seen with drug abusers but commonly with gays because KS seems to be related to herpes. Why would I deny something as true that I have seen? Hmmm?
What about people who got AIDS via heterosexual sex? I don't know because THAT does not exist.
I have nothing to prove to someone who pulls that comment about tinder out of his ass and then lies about what I said about AIDS.
Your lies are irresponsible and you are totally full of shit, Tinder.
Do you recall how you declared everything I wrote was untrue? Remember how you exaggerated what I wrote, trying to make me look like a liar? Is that jogging any memories?
When you call someone else's posts nothing but lies, even when a simple search in the archives of any newspaper will confirm many of the details, you have surrendered the right to demand everyone accept every word, no matter how unbelievable or contradictory, with no means to verify any part of the story, as the gospel.
By your past actions you have placed yourself in a position where every word you write will be scrutinized and challenged.[/QUOTE]Still, after all of this time, not only do you not know how to properly quote posts, but you continue to ramble on about shit which is either unrelated to anything I have written, or is completely out of context.
It's not difficult at all you use the quote tags. Inside square brackets put "QUOTE" to begin the quote and the same thing preceded by a forward slash to close the quote. The result looks loke:
[QUOTE]Elvis, you really are a fucking moron.[/QUOTE]See how easy that was? You repeat the process for each part of a post you wish to quote. If you want you can include the identification tag so the quote looks like:
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2493326]I make up all this stuff because I need to support my fragile ego.[/QUOTE]It's not like you need to write PERL scripts in order to do it. It's just basic HTML tags.
I never said atrial fibrillation was related to Covid. I went for a covid test and they discovered the atrial fibrillation. However, A-Fib is a risk factor with covid.
I'm done. You go on with your fantasy and pretend all you want. Make up your stories, change them every time someone questions them and keep trying to buy respect. I'm finished wasting time dealing with a developmentally disabled child.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2493350]LOL. It does not really happen like that Jj. First of all I am surprised at the amount of guys here that advocate for Short Time. Traditionally my STs have come if I am visiting a casa during the day. If I get a chick coming to my place then it is 9 times out of 10 LT because I will typically do that at night. That is just how I was "raised" in the mongering world.
We would go to the disco in Rio and bring back chicks and they would stay all night and you would have to make them go home the next day. It was the same when I started going to Dominican Republic, Thailand, Philippines, etc. These would all be GFE sessions and it would usually cost about $30. Day ST ($10 - $15). Night LT ($30).
ST during the day I still talk to chicks but maybe it is not too indept. When a chick stays with me I am not fucking her every single minute. I have my things to do and she is doing whatever the hell too. Maybe her phone is going off and she is trying to hide it and I will say I don't care about that shit. Talk to them. May be some dude living somewhere that sends money and shit. Out of curiosity I may ask how much does he send. Then they start showing me their paypal and shit of all the guys sending money. To me it is just normal ass talk when dealing with cool ass GFE hookers..[/QUOTE]I don't personally advocate for anything. ST for me, unless I do a casa or strip club is usually 2 or more hours. For me TLN isn't very appealing because I prefer to sleep alone. At least these days that's the case. But what other guys do, whatever floats their boat.
I spent several years reading over girl's shoulders while guys were trying to hit them up. I saw all the crap guys say. Not to mention seeing all the "private" messages guys send to the webcam models.
I'm certain, when and if the subject comes up, any one of the women will tell you those other guys are fools, lousy fucks, short dicks or whatever else. I can't imagine a woman, hooker or not, getting all doe-eyed and gushing about some other guy when she's with you. Just as most men, while they are with a woman, aren't going to start talking about how much better some other woman is.
I was involved in a 5 way one time, 3 guys, 2 girls and one of the girls was telling me she had never seen a dick as big as mine. There were 2 bigger ones in the room.
Sure a woman will say big spenders are fools, then they'll turn around and call the guys who spend less tacaņo. But whether you paid $30 or $300 they're still laughing at you when they spend the money on their boyfriend or girlfriend.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2493051]Yea girls laugh at guys they can charge three times the going rate.[/QUOTE]Name one woman who is laughing at a guy paying more for her pussy. I have never heard that.
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2493051] They especially laugh at guys that send 1000+ a month in Western Unions only to get charged again, and for a business fuck only.[/QUOTE]I sent the money to nine different women New York New York. How can they be laughing at that amount when they do not know how much it is?
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2493051] They'll of course still see such guys though.[/QUOTE]Name one woman in that group of they.
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2493051] And you have a false equivalence going.[/QUOTE]Now comes the arrogant blowhard lecturing on logic when his entire post has been mental masturbation.
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2493051]Not being a sucker doesn't mean you're broke. In fact in this game the ones throwing around the $ are usually the ones that have little beyond a couple of brief vacations per year.[/QUOTE]Ah yes, I, the arrogant blowhard, have more money than all the "suckers" based on a careful review of everyone else's financials.
No, I was just kidding. I do not have any financials. It was more mental masturbation.
Hey Paulie, was it good for you? Do you get off on your post and need a cigarette now?