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[QUOTE=Travelover;1639818]Hi,
I have been going through the forums and it is very helpful information. Thank you guys. I am planning a visit to Germany next month and it will be my first time to FKK clubs. I was reading online and came across a website that Asian / South Asian men are not welcome in some of the clubs. Is it true? I am planning to visit Mainhattan, Oase and Palace.
Thank you again.
TL[/QUOTE]You will have no problem gaining entry to these three clubs- they are very welcoming and inclusive as long as you have euros. Golden Time is well known for denying entry to to Turkish, Arabic, and South Asians but it is hit and miss, one such guy can get in and then another arriving soon after will be denied. But don't worry about Oase, Palace, or Mainhattan.
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FKK Penelope Essen
Who was in the room with Paloma blonde girl, who works at Penelope in Essen? I ask because I heard it's very good. Can you say a few words about Paloma?
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[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1640005]What percentage of them are younger? What would be the number of girls I would expect on a typical day? Are they "day clubs" like F39? After some visits to "service clubs" I have an idea what that means. I notice commonality with the clubs that is listed for them. They have couches, girls spend some time with the client on the couch for awhile, sometimes BJ is done on the couch for a period of time. They tend to be like F39 atmosphere or the liike.[/QUOTE]I was comparing to Bernds Schieferhof, so then ALL gitls in LuLo are younger (because in BSC they tend to be old.). They have 10-20 girls on a day, and indeed LuLo is a typical day club like F39.
NOT a club to go to if you want huge wellness, large gardens, 60+ girls, only optick ficks, etc, but only good for mongers who come for (good) sex!
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Little addition
[QUOTE=Beffen1;1640066]You will have no problem gaining entry to these three clubs- they are very welcoming and inclusive as long as you have euros. Golden Time is well known for denying entry to to Turkish, Arabic, and South Asians but it is hit and miss, one such guy can get in and then another arriving soon after will be denied. But don't worry about Oase, Palace, or Mainhattan.[/QUOTE]I would add that in large international cities like Frankfurt for your 3 targets, you will have most places very open as far as they make good money with the international fairs visitors or exhibitors. Now when you get in a small club in a town in the middle of nowhere. Then you may face a less open attitude. It will rank from no Turkish in, no Arabic in and final no black in.
Globally Germany is very open but Turkish and Arabic when not high end guys have reputation to be rude and not very clean for their body. I don't judge I only report what the girls are telling.
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Pimping
Alot of girls told me in different clubs their pimp or control were of eastern descent. Alot of girls especially those I saw at artemis have the names of these men tatooed on their bodies also seen this at samya. The girls seem to be locked into some kind of stockholm syndrome type psychological bond with their 'daddies'. I have seen alot of these guys at oase they are easily recognisable and to be honest I have never bothered them and they have bothered me. I am aware however that even though prostitution is legal in Germany without these middlemen that 'coordinate' some but by no means all of FKK girls our clubs would not likely be full of the younger eastern european types. My reckoning here is that german girls would tend to be more independent, but again this may not prove at all true as german girls in artemis also have these tatoos. Personally I am aware of the shades of grey that occur in this game as I am not breaking a law and as the conditions for the girls are top notch better than anywhere in the world and on top of this there is a large percentage of independent girls for me the set up is fine. my theory is that a lot of the girls don't like to sometimes go with guys that are of the same ethnicity as their controls in case of potential clashes, and that this is probably the reason why some clubs refuse entry to certain groups, rather than any silly hygiene or misbehaviour issues. very very rarely have i seen males of any race being rude or bothering other punters in any club i've been to in germany. this is a result of strict in club security which is rarely seen, and the overall high standards you would expect to find in a regulated industry in one of the most developed nations in the world. just my two cents.
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[QUOTE=StarletVoyager;1640679]my theory is that a lot of the girls don't like to sometimes go with guys that are of the same ethnicity as their controls in case of potential clashes, and that this is probably the reason why some clubs refuse entry to certain groups, rather than any silly hygiene or misbehaviour issues. [/QUOTE]Since there aren't too many reports on entry being denied based purely on ethnicity (apart from inputs below), would any one happen to know clubs which are notorious for denying entry to Asians (and in particular Indians)? I understand that it can be arbitrary, while one punter of the same ethnicity could be allowed in, another might be denied entry. Also, the general sense I get after RTFF is that most clubs would allow entry but there could be a club or two where several girls may refuse to service punters based on a variety of reasons - mostly ethnic reasons (any clubs where such girls are on the higher side)?
If anyone has this information handy it would really help me in planning a trip excluding those particular clubs. Thanks and apologies for the newbie question, I have only past reports to fall back on for further information. (Not sure if this needs to be moved to FAQ section)
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[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1640698]Since there aren't too many reports on entry being denied based purely on ethnicity (apart from inputs below), would any one happen to know clubs which are notorious for denying entry to Asians (and in particular Indians)? I understand that it can be arbitrary, while one punter of the same ethnicity could be allowed in, another might be denied entry. Also, the general sense I get after RTFF is that most clubs would allow entry but there could be a club or two where several girls may refuse to service punters based on a variety of reasons - mostly ethnic reasons (any clubs where such girls are on the higher side)?
If anyone has this information handy it would really help me in planning a trip excluding those particular clubs. Thanks and apologies for the newbie question, I have only past reports to fall back on for further information. (Not sure if this needs to be moved to FAQ section)[/QUOTE]Golden Time in Bruggen has a habit of denying entry to Arabic, middle eastern, south Asian and black men. This is sad as Golden Time has one of the better reputations for good looking girls and party atmosphere and good hospitality by the staff. For me, it is the "go to" club in NRW area of Germany over all others.
There was one of the Freude clubs in Bochum that had a reputation of "Germans only" meaning you had to be white but that club is gone now. Girls there are pretty good service and looks wise.
There was a smaller local club that has proudly emblazoned on its website the German flag once again implying "German only" but no one mentions that club any more to even be on the forum's radar. I cannot even remember it and I would not recommend going to it anyway unless you like fat grandmothers to fuck. They are welcome to them in that regard.
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[QUOTE=StarletVoyager;1640679] to be honest I have never bothered them and they have bothered me.[/QUOTE]How have the pimp characters in the clubs bothered you? Is it because they can be intimidating? Act like they own the club and have power over life and death?
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Dufey
Sorry that was meant to read they have not bothered me.
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[QUOTE=StarletVoyager;1640715]Sorry that was meant to read they have not bothered me.[/QUOTE]That makes more sense now.
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Very true
At sharks, I know of this german good looking girl who had her pimps name tattooed on her waist. I did not about this fact and when I asked her it she cooked up a story and I believed her so.
Came to know about this later when a fellow monger told me about it. I have also seen a lot of men (probably pimps), tattooed all over their body, heavily bulked up relaxing in the lounge area and looking at girls to see who all are more busy and whether their girls do enough hard work to get business. Would buy a bottle of scotch or JD and just enjoy the entire evening, they'll make eye contact with their girls and instruct what to do and what not to do. In fact one such pimp actually came up to me and asked me about my session with her girl and I said good, didn't know he controlled her. Saw him again on another day and realised hewas her pimp. These girls would go the extra mile to keep you happy. Found it rather strange.
[QUOTE=StarletVoyager;1640679]Alot of girls told me in different clubs their pimp or control were of eastern descent. Alot of girls especially those I saw at artemis have the names of these men tatooed on their bodies also seen this at samya. The girls seem to be locked into some kind of stockholm syndrome type psychological bond with their 'daddies'. I have seen alot of these guys at oase they are easily recognisable and to be honest I have never bothered them and they have bothered me. I am aware however that even though prostitution is legal in Germany without these middlemen that 'coordinate' some but by no means all of FKK girls our clubs would not likely be full of the younger eastern european types. My reckoning here is that german girls would tend to be more independent, but again this may not prove at all true as german girls in artemis also have these tatoos. Personally I am aware of the shades of grey that occur in this game as I am not breaking a law and as the conditions for the girls are top notch better than anywhere in the world and on top of this there is a large percentage of independent girls for me the set up is fine. my theory is that a lot of the girls don't like to sometimes go with guys that are of the same ethnicity as their controls in case of potential clashes, and that this is probably the reason why some clubs refuse entry to certain groups, rather than any silly hygiene or misbehaviour issues. very very rarely have i seen males of any race being rude or bothering other punters in any club i've been to in germany. this is a result of strict in club security which is rarely seen, and the overall high standards you would expect to find in a regulated industry in one of the most developed nations in the world. just my two cents.[/QUOTE]
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NRW or Hessen?
[QUOTE=Maxime;1640001]Public foreplay clubs are getting scarse, in Hessen very exceptional, but in NRW also getting rare. If you don't mind optick, Bernds Schieferhof is still a good place for this (near Bonn). Standard DFK and OWO on the couch, and more if you want. If you like younger / nicer looking girls, your best choices are Luder Lounge (near Dortmund) or Babylon (Elsdorf, near Koln). Even the "new old" Freude 39 in Bochum could be ok for you, since this re-opened, and public OWO seems to be the norm again.
Look on the forum or the web for exact prices, but most are 50 euro per half hour (and LL 80 euro per hour).
Alternatively you can go for one of the many RTCs in NRW (and one in Hessen). As much action as you want, 30 euro per session per half hour, includes (D) FK, OWO, CIM and even AO if you dare / want......... But not alays recommended to put on the light!..[/QUOTE]Hi Maxime,
Thanks for the help, Globe is too expensive, beyond reach. Bernds not for me if optics are average.
Just want to get some info.
- How would clubs like Luder Lounge, Babylon, F39, Arabella compare with GT, ACA, Magnum, LR,Dolce Vita etc of NRW region, purely in terms of good looking girls and number of girls, good couch time, and approach policy (I have read that ACA has no approach policy).
- What is the difference between RTC and FKK? I have been to FKK Oase (too much upsell) , but have read that service levels are better in NRW, although I don't want to compromise on the looks of the girls.
Thanks again.
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[QUOTE=Dufey;1640701]Golden Time in Bruggen has a habit of denying entry to Arabic, middle eastern, south Asian and black men. [/QUOTE]Thanks for the info, I will see if there isn't any other club in the general vicinity of GT to which I can hop onto if denied, I will exclude it from the itinerary completely.
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[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1640866]Thanks for the info, I will see if there isn't any other club in the general vicinity of GT to which I can hop onto if denied, I will exclude it from the itinerary completely.[/QUOTE]Villa Vertigo, Happy Garden, Heaven 7, Ying Yang and Living room are all fairly close to GT. If you have a car it is very easy to go to one of these if you're denied entry. I think that's what most people do when they're denied: go to Happy Garden or the Villa.
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Taking a short trip later this month.
Flying into Cologne evening of 20th November and home late evening on 21st. After studying the forum for where I'm likely to get what I'm after I'm looking at an evening visit to Samya on 20th and afternoon / early evening at Babylon on 21st.
My plans for my last trip changed following recommendations from Hessen Bub so I'm open to any suggestions as his advice paid dividends!