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Opinions
Everyone is entitled to their our opinions. I think the guy hasn't had as much fun or hasn't found the quality of girls he has found in the past. So for him maybe it is going to shit. Maybe he just went during low season - who knows. Its still his opinion. As of lately, I agree with his post about the girls. Not to mention some of their attitudes and asking prices. Like I said before, keep moving and looking in other places. Its a hunt, so keep your spear sharp for the next trip. Mine is ready.
[QUOTE=Ryjerrob]I can't believe all this whining!!! How is it going to shit? Because a hand full of people can't get what they want. As a respectable monger, if you've been going to Brazil, and you don't have any skills outside of Help/Balcony/Mabs, then I wouldn't call you a monger at all.
I think the Copa game is only as bad as a person's knowledge or skills. So maybe it's not the Copa scene, it's your lack of skills. And you are not being flamed.
ryjer[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Ryjerrob]I can't believe all this whining!!! How is it going to shit? Because a hand full of people can't get what they want. As a respectable monger, if you've been going to Brazil, and you don't have any skills outside of Help/Balcony/Mabs, then I wouldn't call you a monger at all.
I think the Copa game is only as bad as a person's knowledge or skills. So maybe it's not the Copa scene, it's your lack of skills. And you are not being flamed.
ryjer[/QUOTE]
Gotta 2nd this post....its more about the monger, not the GDP's....
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Help closing???
Wow, everyone is so sad about help closing. For What?? Overpay for some of the same girls u get at the Centro spots or VM or termas or the favela crazies. We are to blame for the price. We let the GDP union local of Copa set a high rate. Once this place closes some of the same girls will be available to you for 150R all night will do as the old saying says Kitchen and bedroom. So everyone please stay in Copa do not go to VM or Centro or other areas because it is very dangerous. How dangerous you ask, you will become addicted to good pussy for far less drama than some of the Help queens.
They see gringo, euro men as money/ suckers.. We are in Brazil sometime we must act Brazilian. (not overpaying)
Have fun and broaden your horizons.. For those who are afraid to do a girl at VM just take her out of there for an hour or you can wait until she goes to help and asks for 300R your choice...
just my 2 cents..
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Help...
After reading all these posts about the closing of Help, I'm fully convinced none of you get it. For those who are happy about Help closing and say it's a good thing here's my take. Help is not only about the GDP experience. Help is walking into the biggest or second biggest nightclub in South America and drinking champagne, living the rock star lifestyle at a fraction of the cost. Then looking around at 500 women, some good, some bad, and some incredible and saying I can take any one of these home. When I go to Rio, I really don't worry that much about what I'm spending. Bottom line, I'm here to have a great time and bang what I consider the most beautiful woman in the world. This last trip I only did Help 4 times in 10 days. Maybe i'm getting older and can't do the all nighters anymore but I still have fun. One of my favorite parts of this trip, were the friends I made from all over the world outside at Terraco Atlantico. With my wingman only there for half the trip, I was on my own and I met so many great guys there. In 2006 I met a GDP there that now lives in Switzerland but still to this day remains my all time favorite. I still hold out hope that this is another false alarm, but with the World Cup and the olympic bid, I think it's for real. I for one will miss it...
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Any predictions on what place will take over for help. Are there any clubs now that are big enough to become the next help. I find it hard to believe that all that money will be left on the table. Someone will fill the void. If I owned a big club that wasnt a hooker place, I would definitely get the word out that it is now.
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[QUOTE=Chingon]It's not the City Government, (Prefeitura,) doing this, but the State Government of Rio de Janeiro. The money has been allocated, per Oglobo reports.[/QUOTE]
Is it the State this time ? I hadn't noticed. It was the Prefeitura last time. More talk that it's closing , I have " friends in low places" that are well connected and should know .......one says it's closing , one says it's not. LOL So it's 50/50
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Okay Lancer, if Help is the second biggest, where is the biggest. I REALLY need to go see this for myself!! I would agree with your assesment that one of the big draws of Help is the entire experience. I think just watching the scenery and realizing that for the most part I can take anyone of those to my bed is intoxicating.
I enjoy the "dance" as much as anything, and my experience is that it is a pretty good indication of what to expect when we are "dancing alone".
I should be in town on Sunday for a couple of days!
Mistro, start the music!
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Help
This is from the Gringo Times.......... If doing a cut'n' paste like this is not allowed please delete it
[url]http://thegringotimes.com/news/rio-business/help-discotech-set-to-close/[/url]
Help Discotech to Close
By Doug Gray, Contributing Reporter
RIO DE JANEIRO - It has been high on Governor Sergio Cabral’s hit list for several years, but it now looks as if the closing of Copacabana’s most notorious nightclub ‘Help’ is finally confirmed. A recent decision by Judge Camila Novaes Lopes ruled in favor of its compulsory purchase by the State of Rio De Janeiro in winter 2009.
Opened in 1985 by the businessman Chico Recarey, Help’s lavish interior and upper class patronage gained it a reputation among the Carioca playboys as a place to see and be seen. But as Copacabana’s star faded at the end of the 80’s, and the rich and famous moved towards Ipanema and Leblon, so too did Help’s.
Now, what was once the largest nightclub in South America, is possibly the continent’s largest brothel. This is why Governor Cabral is financing it’s compulsory purchase to spearhead a tidying-up campaign of the hard-bitten Copacabana neighborhood, which remains one of the city’s biggest tourist attractions.
The plan was first proposed last year, with the idea that the site would be transformed somewhat dramatically into a cultural center as the new Museum of Sound and Vision, but delays and counter-arguments have held the project back. Some of these include the very reasonable consideration that the prostitutes will simply move on to other possibly less safe locations to look for business.
As one girl who wanted to remain nameless put it, “This will do nothing for Copacabana and nothing to stop prostitution. We feel safer at Help than on the streets, but it looks like that is where we will have to go.”
The Governor remains unmoved by such opinions however, and though prostitution remains legal in Brazil, the idea that it is carried out so brazenly and on such a scale in this tourist hot spot appears too great a threat to order in Zona Sul. The 60 day compulsory purchase order has been placed on it, along with a deposit of R$13m, and as such the doors will likely be closing at the end of May.
Nobody was available at club Help to comment.
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[QUOTE=Sky Ryder]Okay Lancer, if Help is the second biggest, where is the biggest. I REALLY need to go see this for myself!! I would agree with your assesment that one of the big draws of Help is the entire experience. I think just watching the scenery and realizing that for the most part I can take anyone of those to my bed is intoxicating.
I enjoy the "dance" as much as anything, and my experience is that it is a pretty good indication of what to expect when we are "dancing alone".
I should be in town on Sunday for a couple of days!
Mistro, start the music![/QUOTE]
I forget where I read there was a bigger nightclub in South America, but it is not like Help. It is just a regular nightclub. Not a place where GDP's go. so don't get too excited. LOL
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Love Story
[QUOTE=Sky Ryder]Okay Lancer, if Help is the second biggest, where is the biggest. I REALLY need to go see this for myself!![/QUOTE]
Love Story in Sao Paulo is almost a big as Help and has always surpassed it in EVERY way : wilder atmosphere, much higher girls level (this is where GDPs from SP upscale clubs go to hang out for late-night fun and possibly make a last buck), more crowded, better music, better clientele, better service, ect.
It's the greatest "secret" in Brasil in regards to nightlife, and simply the best pick-up club on the planet in the history of mankind, bar none. No need to cry over Help.
I made a few posts about LS over the years in the Sao Paulo thread, the last one a few monthes ago :
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=843647&postcount=1997[/url]
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Great Post Lancer
Lancer, I could not agree with you more. For a long time it has become cool for some to bash Help on the board and talk about getting the same girl at VM. That may be true but I happen to like to go out have a good time and hang out with attractive women. I love Brazil and I love Rio. I go there for the sun, the beach and for the women. I have never thought it was "just" about how to get off for the least amount on money. I don't like going to places that smell bad and look like some of the places that other guys on this board go to. But, I am glad they found a plce the like.
I am glad places like Help exist. But I am also places like 4x4, Barberella and VM exist. We all get in where we fit in have a good time. I wish we spent more time talking about the things we like instead all the stuff we hate.
[QUOTE=Lancer520]After reading all these posts about the closing of Help, I'm fully convinced none of you get it. For those who are happy about Help closing and say it's a good thing here's my take. Help is not only about the GDP experience. Help is walking into the biggest or second biggest nightclub in South America and drinking champagne, living the rock star lifestyle at a fraction of the cost. Then looking around at 500 women, some good, some bad, and some incredible and saying I can take any one of these home. When I go to Rio, I really don't worry that much about what I'm spending. Bottom line, I'm here to have a great time and bang what I consider the most beautiful woman in the world. This last trip I only did Help 4 times in 10 days. Maybe i'm getting older and can't do the all nighters anymore but I still have fun. One of my favorite parts of this trip, were the friends I made from all over the world outside at Terraco Atlantico. With my wingman only there for half the trip, I was on my own and I met so many great guys there. In 2006 I met a GDP there that now lives in Switzerland but still to this day remains my all time favorite. I still hold out hope that this is another false alarm, but with the World Cup and the olympic bid, I think it's for real. I for one will miss it...[/QUOTE]
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In Rio
I have been in Rio a week now. Got sick on the way here after a 34 hour flight. Cruised through customs. I was quite worried as a was vomiting on 2 flights, and had 30, 000 are on me in 500 euro notes and some us dollars. Flight arrived at just before midnight. Got a taxi upstairs at arrivals, it come to just under 50r on the meter, would have come to around 45r, but I got a bit lost around the one way system. Phoned 2 garotas I know (1 part time gdp, one normal girl) the part time gdp came round straight away, sex 4 times per day, for the last week. No charge. Except I left my australian adaptor converter to brazilian at home, so I went to Rio sul and bought one she came with me. (I haven't been able to use my laptop for the last 4 days, as the battery is dead.) I felt abliged to buy her a present as I am feeling better now and ready to start my mongering time. Pair off shoes 400r. Adaptor 79r. Alot off women I have bumped into have went off at me for displaying there pictures on orkut. Even though none are off a sexual nature. I must say it has only been the last 2 days I have been able to eat food and am now back up to my regular 5 meals per day off protein low carbs. Tourism is down. So is the quality off garotas, mp is crap. (as usual) I haven't been to help yet, but will go tommorow night. I will spend the last night 2night with the women I invested 400r shoes on. Even though she must have spent 100r on me getting me drinks shower gels etc. But now it is time to monger. Last few days have been very overcast. But am looking forward to hitting helpe 2morrow night, with the termas in the day. Prices in copa seem to have gone up about 25% in the restraunts. Quality off food is down.
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[QUOTE=Prosal]Love Story in Sao Paulo is almost a big as Help and has always surpassed it in EVERY way : wilder atmosphere, much higher girls level (this is where GDPs from SP upscale clubs go to hang out for late-night fun and possibly make a last buck), more crowded, better music, better clientele, better service, ect.
It's the greatest "secret" in Brasil in regards to nightlife, and simply the best pick-up club on the planet in the history of mankind, bar none. No need to cry over Help.
I made a few posts about LS over the years in the Sao Paulo thread, the last one a few monthes ago :
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=843647&postcount=1997[/url][/QUOTE]
I knew I remembered reading it somewhere on this form. Thanks Prosal.
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[QUOTE=Lancer520]I forget where I read there was a bigger nightclub in South America, but it is not like Help. It is just a regular nightclub. Not a place where GDP's go. so don't get too excited. LOL[/QUOTE]
Via Show is bigger than Help
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[QUOTE=Apocalpso]Via Show is bigger than Help[/QUOTE]
Like 3 or 4 times the size of Help!!