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FKK Samya - Oh Dear !
Following hot on the ehhm, heels of Toscana, I visited Samya last Tuesday 28th and was prepared for a full evening - arrived about 4:30p.
Did not see Toscana or Breadman's posts until now.
It was my second visit and I enjoyed my first.
However, I must concur that there is something wrong at Samya.
I won't describe the place as it has been done amply before - just to say that it is a 3 level facility - lockers, showers and masseur in the basement, bar and lounge area on the main floor and rooms upstairs.
A nice touch is at the entrance where they list all the girls, the prices and extras. Hadn't noticed it before. It was up to daye as of March 13. Two anal girls were listed. Euro 25 extra on top of the constant rates of Euro 50 per 1/2 hour inclusive of FS and BBBJ - Euro 25 for an extra half hour. BBBJ to completion if available on a case by case basis also calls for extra Euro 25.
I do appreciate the clear and up front tariff.
I spent the first hour simply observing.
There was a samller Polish contingent, a sprinkle of Romanians and others, and Mother Russia and the Ukraine was well represented more in proportion to previously. For the first hour or two, there were perhpaps 5 guests as the lunch crowd had thinned out and about 8 girls. No stunners - several shall we say a little heavier than is to Excess's taste, but nothing bottom of the barrel.
A couple of cuties.
After reflection, I found myself saying to myself for the first time of several during the evening, "This isn't very inspiring, is it?"
Why? I believe that Samya has fallen into the rut of allowing the girls to spend a great deal of time, i.e the vast majority of time sitting on the couches and talking amongst themselves in their native tongues. Nothing wrong with that but as Breadman and Toscana observed this tends to restrict access to the girls, sets up a them and us scenario. Ditto at the bar, a little more open but often the girls spent an inordinate aount of time talking to themselves or playing on the video machine.
Few appreciate constant hectoring by the girls at a FKK or elsewhere, "Wanna go to the room?", it becomes very tiring and annoying. However, there is a bit of marketing in everything and the girl's and Samya would find that circulating amongst the punters, a bit of flirting and conversation with the punters does up the room occupancy rate significantly.
It also gives that 'buzz' and general excitment that a good FKK has.
Time to re-energize the troops Samya, and get them up and about rather than siting alone or together for up to 3 hours without a customer - as I observed. It really is a management problem.
Enough of this, on to the evening itself.
Met a nice lady, Galina from Valdivostok she said - ready to talk although her English was about zero and her German rough. NO problem, a very classic Slavic face and good figure - roughly 28-32.
After a few drinks and chat - I was ready for the room.
Started with a stand-up slow stroking session both ways, moved to the bed
and Galina started a decent BBBJ with good skills slowly and uping the tempo as required. No teeth in sight or excess hand movements. Moved on to covered squating cowgirl, very nicely done. A bit of doggy, and then decided to finish with the squating cowgirl which was very successful.
A good value Euro 50 with a Euro 10 tip for good performance and as recognition of her superior marketing skills which are to be encouraged.
Showers and payment is made downstairs at your locker after your room time.
More time spent observing the limited interaction between guests and girls with the 'This isn't very inspiring" line again coming to mind.
Sought out a well turned out dark haired Romanian who at least had a bit of a sparkle in her eye - following the ISG mantra of if it isn't in the eyes, then it probably isn't anywhere.
At this time a few new runners arrived and a couple were leaving - including a couple of cuties - guess they may have had class the next morning.
The Romanian girl spent a bit of time at the bar - and I suggested that it was time for move upstairs. Again time for touchy feelie, she started cowgirl and performed well but then she requested that we move to doggie which she said she preferred. Spent quite some time in strong doogie until Excess felt it was time to conclude, which he did.
Again, good service, no rides to the moon but very fair value.
Back to the showers, a chat with the Masseur, Sammi, about a recurring shoulder injury and observation time. As it was getting later - about 10:00 - the annoyance factor was beginning to catch up with me.
There were several on the to do list but at this point, but frankly, I couldn't really motivate myself to conclude a deal. There was also a first timer being introduced to Samya by her Russian colleagues having arrived after 9:00.
Thought she might be given a good start-off by Excess but in the end didn't bother.
Sad, isn't it?
Rather than staying 'till closing as was the plan decided to head off. But before doing so, grabbed another Romanian blonde - Romana(sp) - a bit heavier than usual requirements but with lovely C cups and again a bit of animation going on in the eyes.
Headed up for a good session, nice standing BBBJ while Ms. R. was on the bed on all fours as it were. No sign of stopping until I signaled her to do so - would have gone to completion. We both layed down and gropped for a while and then Ms R. moved herself into a squating cowgirl and we both rode off into the sunset - very nice.
So the tally for the evening at Samya.
3 good value sessions - nothing rocked the world but hey, we are talking about human endeavours here - that only comes along once in awhile. The BBBJ standard practice is nice - the squating cowgirls that were spontaneous a nice and welcome change - seems to be a bit of a specialty here.
Samya really should re-instruct the girls into doing some casual mingling and flirting with the guests, break up the couch bridge sets and move them off the video and up to the bar. Use the couches for concluding arrangements rather than holding pens.
The Customers will be happier, the buzz would be there, and the girls would see a significant increase in earnings.
All the rest is there at Samya - very clean, good rooms - it's just the "This isn't very inspiring, is it" that should be banished.
Oh yes, and ISG would be giving Samya further unqualified reviews.
Would I go back to Samya - probably if in town - but not top of the list sadly, so might give it a miss.
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Finca Erotica and Harem
[QUOTE=Marlow] Facing you is the circular bar (alcohol!),
You might think Finca Erotica is some interior designer's idea of Spain, a kind of shopping mall for sex. The garden should be finished within a couple of months. For me nothing better than outdoor sex under a hot sun.
The entrance is 50 euro and each half hour session also 50 euro. .[/QUOTE]Marlow, can you tell us if there is a charge for the beer? If so, how much? Was wondering how large the garden is or will be...and if you had access to it on your visit. Im assuming it was 50 euro's for every half hour...same pricing as World...am i correct?
Also, what night did you visit and how many girls did they have working?
I might be tempted to try out one of the new clubs at the end of May, will keep an eye on the board for info.
P.s. to Peter...heavensgate is on my list seeing its 2 minutes from the Dorsten partytreff...how many girls did they have working when you visited?
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Seating at Samya
Guys,
After reading the recent reports about Samya and the fact that the girls sit around in groups I think that they should adopt a similar position to GT. During a recent visit about 2 weeks ago I was told by one of the girls that they are not allowed to sit together on the couches. They can sit next to each other on the bar stools opposite the bar but they have a strict rule of one woman to a couch, which makes it much easier to approach the women and means that the girls earn more money. Although the girls will sit on couches that are close to each other and chat there is no problem approaching the girls. Samya used to be my favourite club in NRW but I always found it frustrating to have to fight my way to attract the attention of a girl with a group of 5.
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Thanks Marlow for your report about Finca Erotica. Find hereafter the exact location:
Finka Erotica
Adress: Postr 20 56269 DIERDORF
Phone: 02689 - 972 945 0
Homepage: [url]www.finca-erotica.de[/url]
Open: Daily from 10am till 4am
Entrance: 50€
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Finca Erotica
That is good news about Finca Erotica. Marlow's report is very helpful. The club is well within my distance range. Must try it soon.
[QUOTE=Marlow]Before I get on to what this new place is like, I want to say to Toscana 'keep your pecker up'![/QUOTE]
Have no fear. In fact it usually goes down, then up. Happens more often than you might think :-)
And as far as seating arrangements at Samya are concerned, Breadman is dead right. But I don't know of a single FKK club where they manage to get that one right. You could do a whole Social Psychology doctorate on this subject. It used to disturb me more earlier. Now, I am much more prepared to break up groups of girls quite brazenly. Only way sometimes to get the pecker and other equipment into play.
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Finca Erotica
Thanks to Routard for giving the address and website of the club. The website is good. In my view one of the best I've seen for style and pitch: More like GQ and Esquire than say anything called 'Busty Beauties'
Breadman - can't say as I didn't order a drink, could be there is a nominal charge.
The garden as of this moment in time is being carved out of virgin earth. No grass or anything laid down. My judgement is that they would be crazy to be still working on it by the end of May, so I think feverish efforts are being made to finish by the end of April. It is not as large as World by any means. I was at Finca during the day and about fifteen girls were there. Unlike World Finca does a fair amount of business between 12.00 and 16.00 and picks up again in the evening. The 30 Euro Happy Hour entrance has a lot to do with encouraging 'early starters'. The standard fee for half an hour is 50 Euro. Extras such as a blow job without condom to a wet-lipped finale is I read on the German sites 50 euro extra. Anal should be also around 50 Euro extra. unlike Samya there is no menu listing. You need to ask the girls individually. Same with threesomes - usually 50 euro for each girl for each half hour.
However if you are into threesomes and anal sex and sandwich (DP) the best offerings tend to be at Bernd's Sauna Club (the Hof) in terms of the girls who do.
Because it is new I have the impression Finca is out to please. As with anything to do with selling, it's all down to the motivation of the sales team and the managers to inspire that team with the morning pep talk. I sometimes wonder if the guys who run these clubs realise how much more business they would get if only they themselves had a better attitude to the girls and learned how to motivate them. It is amazing how quickly an esprit de corps can be generated that bubbles over onto the sofa.
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Tosc,
Finca Erotica belongs to the same owners as Sauna World FantasyLand in Görgeshausen (one of your favourite clubs, isn't it?). They closed Sauna World to move operations to this one (if you try to log on to [url]www.sauna-world.info[/url], you will be redirected to Finca Erotica). ;)
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finca
GandJim,
You're right to say that World and Finca are owned by the same bunch of rockers! If you do a search you'll find the reasons I was given for Sauna World having to close - the Germans proving themselves to be every bit as prudish as anyone else. Briefly the neighbourhood objected to this sort of carry on, so what they are getting instead in an authority run home for illegal immigrants/asylum seekers on their doorstep. Serves them (the moral majority) right in my view: loud music at all hours, busted cars in the road, street corner gangs and so on.
Sauna World never quite re-captured the electric atmosphere of FantasyLand after it was raided by the authorities and the owner had to sell out to the mob at World. The raid was more to do with breaking the licencing and broadcast laws than sexual misdemeanours. Seems if you are too successfull and don't smooch with the right people you get the cops come by.
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[QUOTE=Marlow]GandJim,
You're right to say that World and Finca are owned by the same bunch of rockers! If you do a search you'll find the reasons I was given for Sauna World having to close - the Germans proving themselves to be every bit as prudish as anyone else. Briefly the neighbourhood objected to this sort of carry on, so what they are getting instead in an authority run home for illegal immigrants/asylum seekers on their doorstep. Serves them (the moral majority).......by.[/QUOTE]In my experience as former manager of one of the early FKKs ~1990 there is no such thing as a 'moral majority' in Germany, maybe a 'moral MINORITY' and they can be powerfuf in the right/wrong locations. --
This was a small industrial village in the Rhineland, and luckily there the liberal Social Democrats had the say-so.
We scruplously followed the letter of the law, made sure the place was manicured and clean and surrounded by tall vegetation and fences, no noisy behaviour outdoors, all the proper permits up to date, no illegal girls working there, the tax accounting correct to the Pfennig, buy as much as possible from local merchants, etc ect. The owners were a local family, "Mr & Mrs Clean" types, and they had clubs and mainstream pubs all over the Rhineland with no problems at all. -- One of my best friends from high school was a protestant pastor in a nearby town, and I made sure he put a good word in for us. --
We also made sure the local media were on our side by allowing them in any time for free on press passes (as long as they got naked too!) --
But as fas as I knew, the owner were not bribing anybody, not even taxi drivers.
There was a similar FKK club just 500 mtr from us and they had no problems either, following the same standard procedures. We made sure that we were on friendly terms with them, like sendinsg girls back and forth to fill in absences, trading beverage and food stocks, to fill in shortages, ect. And back then it was really not 100% legal yet (that only happened in 2002 with the Protitutions Gesetz which decriminalized brothel operation).
"My" club operated successfully until the male owner died and his wife and daughter changed it into a beauty farm for women only. The other one still is going strong as far as I heard.
The problem with this biz anywhere in the world is that it attracts too many outlaw types and that gets the authorities' attention up. Many are non-locals with adventurous attitudes and questionable habits. So no wonder they get busted from time to time. Personally methinks this is not a bad thing and will eliminate the bad apples in the long run and improve the scene for all of us.
BTW: the same process seems to be happenig in the German sports betting and gambling industry.
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The moral majority
I think what I mean is the majority who are morally two-faced! What better examples do we have than Clinton and a certain American preacher once caught in a motel room with a girl of the night - both now totally rehabillitated! Ain't life wonderful.
I'd add a footnote to your club experience. Fly right and you'll be left alone, except as you suggest there is some bad money around.
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FKK Atlantik
It has been said that there is a relatively new FKK called Atlantik (Not Atlantis), however I don't see anyone talking about that place. From what I see on the map, they are very close to Frankfurt. I am thinking about checking that place out, as well as PLACE and OASE in 2-3 weeks.
Has anyone been there?? Or any comments on that place?
Cheers,
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[QUOTE=Marlow]I think what I mean is the majority who are morally two-faced! What better examples do we have than Clinton and a certain American preacher once caught in a motel room with a girl of the night - both now totally rehabillitated! Ain't life wonderful.
I'd add a footnote to your club experience. Fly right and you'll be left alone, except as you suggest there is some bad money around.[/QUOTE]Oh yes, hypocricy! What a stupid broohaha was raised about the incidents. It's very titillating subject matter for the Anglo public. In continental Europe one hardly bats an eyelash over such matters, unless national security is jeopardized.
I remember well the gay foreign minister H von Brentano in the Adenauer era. We all giggled about him (like about "Mr Humphries" on BBC's A.y.b.s.?), but he was still a respected pol, even though technically it was illegal then (#175 StGB). -- When the popular Frankfurt hooker Rosemarie Nitribitt (the one who cruised the streets in a red M-B 190SL) was murdered in the later 1950s the public was outraged, not about any immorality of her and her prominent clients, but the poor girl's contract killing at the hands of some big shots.
Nobody gives a hoot about sexual matters in Germany, actually never has. We call sex (we even had to import a foreign word to desctibe it) 'the most beautiful but least important thing in life' ("Schoenste Nebensache des Lebens").
However the criminal element has not an easy life: pimping, trafficking, drug dealing, extortion, bribery, money laundering ect is very much frowned upon.
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[QUOTE=Tyweed]It has been said that there is a relatively new FKK called Atlantik (Not Atlantis), however I don't see anyone talking about that place. From what I see on the map, they are very close to Frankfurt. I am thinking about checking that place out, as well as PLACE and OASE in 2-3 weeks.
Has anyone been there?? Or any comments on that place?
Cheers,[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=436153&highlight=Atlantik#post436153[/url]
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[QUOTE=Fkkguide]Oh yes, hypocricy! What a stupid broohaha was raised about the incidents. It's very titillating subject matter for the Anglo public. In continental Europe one hardly bats an eyelash over such matters, unless national security is jeopardized.
I remember well the gay foreign minister H von Brentano in the Adenauer era. We all giggled about him (like about "Mr Humphries" on BBC's A.y.b.s.?), but he was still a respected pol, even though technically it was illegal then (#175 StGB). -- When the popular Frankfurt hooker Rosemarie Nitribitt (the one who cruised the streets in a red M-B 190SL) was murdered in the later 1950s the public was outraged, not about any immorality of her and her prominent clients, but the poor girl's contract killing at the hands of some big shots.
Nobody gives a hoot about sexual matters in Germany, actually never has. We call sex (we even had to import a foreign word to desctibe it) 'the most beautiful but least important thing in life' ("Schoenste Nebensache des Lebens").
However the criminal element has not an easy life: pimping, trafficking, drug dealing, extortion, bribery, money laundering ect is very much frowned upon.[/QUOTE]
Well Mr. Guide, I have to take issue with you on some levels here. I will be the first to admit that my homeland has more than its share of prudish, prying people who are way too occupied with sex and scandal.
On the other hand I sometimes loose patience when Europeans tell me that they do not care about such things and that no one pays attention to such Skandalen over here. True, if Gerhard Schröder got a hummer from an aide (something not out of the realm of possibility), then it would probably not have meant the end of his political career. (On the other hand, given the tenor of Germany’s last election, I would not rule it out completely.) German newspapers and magazines are filled with “Schlagzeilen” that deal with Sex Skandalen. Actually this is a daily occurrence in this country’s top selling daily, “Bild Zeitung”. The press in other western European countries is no different and the UK is probably the worst. I have actually had converstations with people on the Deutsche Bahn who had a Bild Zeitung in their hands who have told me that the US makes to much of sex related scandals and nobody pays any attention to that stuff over here.
I do agree that most European countries are much more sexually open which is such a huge relief. But the Europeans are not above making much ado about a sex scandal if it is convenient to do so. Also a good number of prudes are over here as well. Let’s not kid ourselves.
Please don’t be offended but I really think that many Europeans pull that “Ach, du Amerikanern sind echt komisch und oberflächlich wegen dies und das“ card whenever they have the need to feel a bit superior themselves.
Cheers,
Dedalus, der auf seine Oberflächlichkeit sehr stoltz ist
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Attitudes to sex
Meanwhile in nearby neighbour Sweden...
[quote][b]World Cup sex trade under fire[/b]
This week's call by Sweden's equal opportunities ombudsman for Sweden to pull out of this summer's World Cup football tournament in protest against the prostitution he says it will encourage is "a shot way over the bar", according to Sweden's Expressen.
"It is deplorable and deeply shocking that major sports events promote the sex trade and have traffickers rubbing their hands," the daily concedes, "but the answer is not to start boycotting future Olympic Games and World Cups."
However, the paper suggests, "it would go a long way if politicians, opinion formers, and in this case the sports world took responsibility and manifested their disgust at this modern form of slave trade".
The paper speaks of "a glaring shortage of men" who dare to speak out publicly against the sex trade, and throws down the gauntlet to the Swedish national squad.
"How about some of our high-profile footballers taking the opportunity during the World Cup to explain that real men don't buy women for sex?"
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[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4878222.stm[/url]