[QUOTE=BuleDaddy]Called Caver-something. Red ones.[/QUOTE]Is this the stuff?
"CAVERTA ® enables many men to respond to sexual stimulation which is launched by Ranbaxy."
Printable View
[QUOTE=BuleDaddy]Called Caver-something. Red ones.[/QUOTE]Is this the stuff?
"CAVERTA ® enables many men to respond to sexual stimulation which is launched by Ranbaxy."
Eric,
in case you want to keep it small, why not buy a small condo for her ?
There are a few new developments on the market that start around 350.000 baht for a 32sqm room. They offer down payment of just 6.000 baht per month.
If you like it bigger, buy two or more adjoining condos.
But be aware, you get what you pay for, walls may be thin and so on.
Thanks all for your contribution.
My idea really is that the house would be intirely under her name, all I would do is helping her to repay the mortgage, for an amount equal to what a Thai girlfriend expects as a monthly support. So, in case the relationship breaks, I would leave her with the house and would stop paying my share of the mortage. Naturally she would be unable to bear herself the cost of the full mortgage and would have to sale the house out, and whatever she gets from it would belong to her to refund the mortage and keep the extra if any. I don't live in Thailand and don't intend to live in this house on a long term. I will just had supported her for the time of our relationship, and will not ask anything back.
We target a small house of about 800 000 B, which is the market price in the outskirt of the middle size city where she lives.
After reading your comments, now my main concerns are :
- She has a stable work of clerk, but a small salary (7 000 B). Will a bank ever lend her money ? I will pay maybe most of the money, but no garanty on the paper for the bank, as we are not married.
- If we break up and the value of the house at the time her resale has decreased, she is in deep shit.
[QUOTE=Erik]- ...If we break up and the value of the house at the time her resale has decreased, she is in deep shit...[/QUOTE]Thats why I don't consider this a very smart idea.
Erik,
In my opinion you must have reasons for helping her reasons I will not address because I don't want to get too personal. But the amount you stated is a reasonable amount to spend and as far as my opinion is concern I think as for a Thai, it not whether the house appreciate in your situation for her but that she has something to her name and maybe to past on to her siblings. Having and owning a home and having a roof over their heads is more important that making a profit to sell later. I don't believe this is part of the equation of owning a home for her!
Helping her finance or pay for this house is a major step for you but if you decide to help my opinion is to pay for it in cash and be done with it and put it under her name. Make sure she opens a saving account and out of the 7,000 baht she makes each month she has to put at less 2,000 bahts in the bank each month. As time goes by she now is a property owner with a savings for a Thai, for the future she will have little problems with banks. For myself if I was in your shoes breaking up and having her sell the property is not a option! Once you start you can't stop and have her go back to the past because you breakup, I personally do not think that is the right thing to do! Your objective I think is to help her now and for her future to have a better life not to send her back to where she use to live. Your thoughts about helping her part way might be because of funds or that you have second thoughts ( which is natural ) about your relationship. Now all is off the board if you find her cheating on you even if she is a non-pro! it happens! Then you wil have to ask another question on the board what to do in that situation. It's a gamble son that's life?
[QUOTE=Erik]Thanks all for your contribution.
My idea really is that the house would be intirely under her name, all I would do is helping her to repay the mortgage, for an amount equal to what a Thai girlfriend expects as a monthly support. So, in case the relationship breaks, I would leave her with the house and would stop paying my share of the mortage. Naturally she would be unable to bear herself the cost of the full mortgage and would have to sale the house out, and whatever she gets from it would belong to her to refund the mortage and keep the extra if any. I don't live in Thailand and don't intend to live in this house on a long term. I will just had supported her for the time of our relationship, and will not ask anything back.
We target a small house of about 800 000 B, which is the market price in the outskirt of the middle size city where she lives.
After reading your comments, now my main concerns are :
- She has a stable work of clerk, but a small salary (7 000 B). Will a bank ever lend her money ? I will pay maybe most of the money, but no garanty on the paper for the bank, as we are not married.
- If we break up and the value of the house at the time her resale has decreased, she is in deep shit.[/QUOTE]
If the dollar were suddenly worthless and you were broke, she'd send you walking. I've watched too many psuedo savvy people blow everything over there and end up working as security guards back home. The pinoys have a different MO. When the generous boyfriend would save up and return their pooying would shun the new backpacker guy becuse he was no longer the high-roller that could come up with the constant cash.
They will always figure out a way to dig deeper into your pockets. All you'll hear is "you plomiss" when they want cash (allegedly) to put a new roof on a relative's house or send a nephew to the seminary. In WWII the Thais sided with the Japanese but their man in Washington carried the unopened declaration of war in his pocket and when the US dropped the A-Bombs they declared war on Japan and seized all their assets. The call us Farhang (short for Frenchman) and are still pissed off at the French for taking Laos, and Cambodia, then the Vichy French steamed a rag tag convoy out of Saigon and sank their entire Navy near Kho Chang during WWII. Probably why you will never see a Frenchman buying a house for a Thai lady.
[QUOTE=Erik]So, in case the relationship breaks, I would leave her with the house and would stop paying my share of the mortage. Naturally she would be unable to bear herself the cost of the full mortgage and would have to sale the house [/QUOTE]I see you underestimate our little Thai ladies LOL BIG Mistake.
She will NEVER allow the relationship to Break as long as there are financial ties.
The day she will Allow the relationship to break is the day she would be sure she has an alternative for Mortgage payment (New Sponsor).
[QUOTE=BuleDaddy]The call us Farhang (short for Frenchman) and are still pissed off at the French for taking Laos, and Cambodia.[/QUOTE]
Well, first of all the Thai didn't like the French because the French tried to invade Thailand at one point, although that the feeling doesn't still persist.
There is no difinitive proof that Farang (not Farhang) comes from Farangset meaning French. It is most likely connected to the Arabic word 'Afrandj' meaning foreigner which found it's way into Pali and San skrit, which form the root of much of the Thai language. Variations are found in Sri Lanka (Parangiar) and Cambodia (Barang) for example.
NicFrenchy, BuleDaddy,
we don't know much about this girl, so your comments are nothing but prejudices.
Have you ever had a regular or do you only do P4Ps ?
Don't forget, it's part of the job of P4Ps to reach into your pocket.
Most regulars I had weren't interested in money at all. My last regular GF for example even declined some gold I wanted to buy for her. She simply said that she doesn't like it and preferred a simple "fancy" plastic watch for less than 200 baht.
[QUOTE=BuleDaddy]. still pissed off at the French for taking Laos, and Cambodia,.[/QUOTE]
I've known a few Thai's that dont really care much for the Khmers (not sure about Laos), they think of them on a lower scale. Besides, Thais and Cambos have been warring thru out their history. If I'm not mistaken, it was the Thais invasion that led to the downfall of Angkor Wat.
PT
Very interesting points of view. Thanks again. Obviously the last person to have spoken here gives me more hope...
Like someone said, the reasons why I don't want to offer her a house all paid and ready to move in, are because, first I don't have the cash for this, and second I don't want to igve a blank cheque. She could very well kick me off when moved in and the door locked behind her. The mortgage plan was a kind of long term approach, to see how our relation is developping, with a kinder, maybe more romantic meaning, as far as her wellfare is concerned, that just setting up a direct credit onto her account every month. Being a Westerner, I hate talking money with my girlfriend. I know this is Thailand, and although she is not a prostitute, I have already noticed that she does not have the same taboo as me about money.
Does any of you have ever gone through an alternative kind of support ? Or is it always the same tactic : direct credit. In my opinion that really makes the transaction look like prostitution, and when it is not the case, it does not look nice.
[QUOTE=Erik]. I know this is Thailand, and although she is not a prostitute, I have already noticed that she does not have the same taboo as me about money.
.[/QUOTE]
Unless the gal is from a well off family and dont need to think of her future, the average regular working gal will always have some money thoughts in the back of her mind.
I'm not an expert on "normal/ non-P4P" gals in LOS as due to my limited vacation time I need a quick and "sure thing"--so its usually the paying type for me.
Now having said that, I do come across regular gals on my travels in LOS and some have been more than reasonable but a few will eventually bring up the "support" issue. It almost never starts with herself but often starts with how she works very hard to support the rest of her family (mom, pop, brother, sister, uncle, uncle's cow, etc)--hint hint.
Lucky for me, by that time its the end of my vacation and time to leave so dont need to think any further. I can understand how some can be easily "influenced" if a longer time exist with the gal. So to each his own, but always watch out for what you wish for as the end of the rainbow is not always paved with gold.------IMO
PT
[quote=phantomtiger2]if i'm not mistaken, it was the thais invasion that led to the downfall of angkor wat.pt[/quote]
that's a nice way to put it. many thais still think of the khmer (not to mention the burmese) as their enemies. they look down on the burmese, khmer and lao as being culturally inferior. this kind of thing is perpetuated in thai movies that always portray the lao (or their isaan cousins), for instance as low-class and simple-minded, and the burmese as the historic barbarians [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] and pillaging thailand (the burmese invaded 19 times).
ironically, as you mention, but to put it more succinctly, the thais invaded the khmer empire, sacked anghor wat, raped and pillaged their way across cambodia until they had destroyed the khmer empire and then took into slavery, most of the young women, all the khmer artisans and the royal court dancers. most thai arts and thai dance come from the khmer. but, don't ever tell a thai that. they'll get angry and call you a liar.
[QUOTE=The Traveler]NicFrenchy, BuleDaddy,
we don't know much about this girl, so your comments are nothing but prejudices.
Have you ever had a regular or do you only do P4Ps ?
Don't forget, it's part of the job of P4Ps to reach into your pocket.
Most regulars I had weren't interested in money at all. My last regular GF for example even declined some gold I wanted to buy for her. She simply said that she doesn't like it and preferred a simple "fancy" plastic watch for less than 200 baht.[/QUOTE]
I agree with Traveler on this one. I think the problem is that most guys on here have a warped sense of Thai women and money because they only deal with P4P.
Since I am only involved with regular Thai women, I can speak with considerable experience. While, it is true that Thai women expect some support from you, if you are involved with them, because it's a big part of the culture, the higher up on the social ladder, the less likely she'll want much from you at all.
I give my GF, who is a working middle-class Thai girl from a good family, an allowance of 5000 baht/month and she earns another 7000 in her job. It's true that I occasionally buy her things; a pair of shoes (199 baht) and bit of costume jewellery etc. - all very inexpensive. I bought her 1 baht of gold (nothing too showy) for New Years, as is tradition among many Thais, especially Thai-Chinese. Now, some on here have said outright that because I give my GF money of any kind, and buy her things, that I'm paying for sex and she's no different than a prostitute. I find this an odd way of thinking. Prostitution and the money exchanged is a clear business transaction for a particular and momentary service rendered. Giving money to a girl with whom you are involved on a daily basis, long-term is called 'love' or at the very least, 'caring' for someone. It's a relationship. It's not business.
So, Erik: Being concerned that some sort of direct payment constitutes prostitution is a very "Western" way of thinking and has nothing to do with the reality of what it truly represents, particularly in a Thai cultural context.
And, BTW...I was married in Canada for 10 years, during which time I bought my Canadian wife 2 houses. It's just the kind of thing you do when you're involved with someone, anywhere in the world.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I agree with Traveler on this one. I think the problem is that most guys on here have a warped sense of Thai women and money because they only deal with P4P.
I give my GF, who is a working middle-class Thai girl from a good family, an allowance of 5000 baht/month and she earns another 7000 in her job.[/QUOTE]
I totally agree with your first premise. BUT, what is your definition of the '5K allowance' you give each month to your GF?
I'm Asian, have lived in several countries in Asia for many years and know the score. P4P is exactly what you say it is. Giving an allowance to any woman, either ST or LT is really a gray area, IMHO.