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[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2077524]Some girls also pride themselves in getting a prostitute ID which somehow makes them feel good about themselves. I haven't figured that one out, but have no problem banging a tute with ID and make her feel good about the fact.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't have predicted this, but now that I think about it it makes sense. I think most, or at least some, of these girls had "help" getting to Germany and getting into the business. I think most know what they are getting into, but nevertheless are in a position where they don't feel in control of their situation. They have to answer to club management, perhaps a "boyfriend" or worse, and are in a country they don't really understand. Also chances are that the cops are more unfair and corrupt back home (e.g. Romania), and the assumption that things in Germany are the same adds to their sense of not having control over their situation.
Having a government issued ID establishes a relationship that is directly between the government and them, and their "boyfriend" or whomever is out of the loop. I think that would give them a sense of a bit more autonomy and control. And the government is no longer an enemy, but rather almost a partner in that they establish her legitimacy.
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[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2077524]Mr Ho,
I expressed my concerns about Germany a while ago when I already had a trip reserved for August. I am back from my 10 day voyage to NRW. I visited all top 5 clubs and my concerns for the time being are gone. I had a wonderful time in most clubs.
To summarize, almost no upsells, I usually headed for 1 HR sessions, some with 2 pops. Great services, plenty of beautiful girls with good talent. On average I enjoyed 3 or 4 rooms per day with only 2 rooms in my 10-day stay cut short to a 30-min 50 eu due to unsatisfactory experience in the room with no pop at the end. So my losses are only 100 eu.
With girls who already knew me things went just as before. With new ones I noticed a good DATY at the beginning of the session always established a warm atmosphere for the rest of the session. For me, best conclusion is always CIM. No disappointments.
The girls now see the new law as a good foundation for them to refuse BBBJ when the client is not clean. Otherwise they say: I don't really enjoy sucking a gummy. Some girls also pride themselves in getting a prostitute ID which somehow makes them feel good about themselves. I haven't figured that one out, but have no problem banging a tute with ID and make her feel good about the fact.
Happy to say I just booked another 10 day NRW trip in November without any hesitation.[/QUOTE]P.S.:
I have to add though. I like this feeling of guarantee before going to the club or waking up in the morning during my one week FKK trips, you know this feeling you get that you going to have good sex that you want with beauty that you want today, and with globe zurich I feel you can get this feeling where as I know that I would hate this feeling that hmmmm OK my strategy today to get this is to such and such.
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[QUOTE=AznHotBoy;2077560]Haha yes! I remember a couple Romanian girls at GT that bragged about being the best CIM girls in all Germany and they are very proud of their skills to make every man pop in their mouths to earn that extra 50 E. Dina HU ex Sharks said to me many many times that she is the best prostitute in all of Germany and all men wanted to cum in her. I still remember the way she bragged to me, so arrogantly too. I really think she truly believed it herself! I wonder if she is bragging about this to her boyfriend now that she retired.
I think these tutes need to have that kind of mentality to enjoy multiple stranger's cum swirling in their mouths per day. Especially before the law when any penis, dirty or clean can dump their loads deep in their mouths. Really makes me think what they do with these skills / mentality after they retire.[/QUOTE]Extra 50 euro for CIM at GT? It is 25 euro right?
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[QUOTE=MrHo;2077590]I have to add though. I like this feeling of guarantee before going to the club or waking up in the morning during my one week FKK trips, you know this feeling you get that you going to have good sex that you want with beauty that you want today, and with globe zurich I feel you can get this feeling where as I know that I would hate this feeling that hmmmm OK my strategy today to get this is to such and such.[/QUOTE]Yes, I remember a few years ago when I first started FKK touring. I just turned 25 and was starting to make some really good money for the first time in my life. Everyday during the tours, I would wake up and wonder who will lick my penis today? Everyday was an adventure with guaranteed satisfaction.
Just a few years ago the FKK world was a vastly different place. Artemis, Oase, Sharks, and even Palace all had good service girls ready to be picked and fucked. Most girls really wanted to please you and earn their money. Sure there were sharky girls too but good service was plentiful in all clubs without restrictions! For the first couple years of my touring there was never stress to find good girls offering great service. But ever since the beginning of this year I felt stress trying to find good service without upsell. The girls even know I like long sessions but still insist on adding on extra for this and that. Now I only go to a couple clubs that still have some service girls I like. Now I worry when I visit every few months, hoping things didn't get worse since my last trip. I really think this year might be my last year touring in Germany but I don't know if there are anything else that's better in EU or Canada.
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[QUOTE=AznHotBoy;2077560]I think these tutes need to have that kind of mentality to enjoy multiple stranger's cum swirling in their mouths per day.[/QUOTE]Yes, I remember one tute at Palace who was proud that I would be the first man of the night to give her my sperm! Haha!
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[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2077587]Having a government issued ID establishes a relationship that is directly between the government and them, and their "boyfriend" or whomever is out of the loop. I think that would give them a sense of a bit more autonomy and control. And the government is no longer an enemy, but rather almost a partner in that they establish her legitimacy.[/QUOTE]You don't believe what you just posted, do you?
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[QUOTE=RogueNation;2077693]You don't believe what you just posted, do you?[/QUOTE]I side with NS hypothesis here. Whatever government does makes girls feel more protected in their work. That's the sentiment I got from many Romanians and one German girl this August.
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[QUOTE=MrHo;2077590]P.S.:
I have to add though. I like this feeling of guarantee before going to the club [/QUOTE]I must say no guarantees in Germany FKK any more. But if good service is above 70 percent, as in my experience, I consider it quite all right.
I haven't interviewed the girls before the room and made no promises beyond 30 min sessions. Within 5 min in the room I knew the answers to all important questions. But I can assure you, most girls really want good business and repeated customers. I can only hope the trend doesn't change in the future.
Also, girls talk about clients more than before. My impression is that's the only topic for them nowadays. Seems like another cause of the new law.
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AznHotBoy. Exactly right.
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Neuro. I think you might be right about girls who feel comfortable in Germany. On the other hand I have met quite a few who I am sure won't be able to negotiate the process without help from an "agent". My first reaction is that the law will make them more dependent on their agent, but maybe once they have got into the system even they might feel a bit more independent.
I'll try to ask, but the problem is the sort of girls I am talking about have limited English or German for discussion such delicate issues.
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[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2077587]They have to answer to club management, perhaps a "boyfriend" or worse, and are in a country they don't really understand. Also chances are that the cops are more unfair and corrupt back home (e.g. Romania), and the assumption that things in Germany are the same adds to their sense of not having control over their situation.
Having a government issued ID establishes a relationship that is directly between the government and them, and their "boyfriend" or whomever is out of the loop.[/QUOTE]To take them permanently out of the loop, the Romanian WG would have to permanently settle in Germany, which many choose not to.
It's not so easy to get way from a "boyfriend", because often it is not a single person, but likely a network of individuals with connections.
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[QUOTE=AznHotBoy;2077637]But ever since the beginning of this year I felt stress trying to find good service without upsell. The girls even know I like long sessions but still insist on adding on extra for this and that. Now I only go to a couple clubs that still have some service girls I like. [/QUOTE]You've made it known that you spend thousands of EUR on some of your favorite WGs. Are these the same WGs that insist on adding extras?
Have you ever tried saying "No" or just simply ignoring their Whatsapp messages? Chances are they will re-engage the negotiation a few months later, because I'd assume you are a gold / platinum level customer for most of your favorites.
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[QUOTE=AznHotBoy;2077637]Yes, I remember a few years ago when I first started FKK touring. I just turned 25 and was starting to make some really good money for the first time in my life. Everyday during the tours, I would wake up and wonder who will lick my penis today? Everyday was an adventure with guaranteed satisfaction.
Just a few years ago the FKK world was a vastly different place. Artemis, Oase, Sharks, and even Palace all had good service girls ready to be picked and fucked. Most girls really wanted to please you and earn their money. Sure there were sharky girls too but good service was plentiful in all clubs without restrictions! For the first couple years of my touring there was never stress to find good girls offering great service. But ever since the beginning of this year I felt stress trying to find good service without upsell. The girls even know I like long sessions but still insist on adding on extra for this and that. Now I only go to a couple clubs that still have some service girls I like. Now I worry when I visit every few months, hoping things didn't get worse since my last trip. I really think this year might be my last year touring in Germany but I don't know if there are anything else that's better in EU or Canada.[/QUOTE]That is the point I was trying to convey. I hate this not sure feeling. And yes I used to enjoy this secure feeling too till about 2014-ish, then recently it stopped and now with the law.
Well globe Zurich is secure as a safety net, but I have some hope for NRW region, as for Hessen and Artemis. I don't know how it is going to be now. But nrw is worth a one more try to see as service is better there in general.
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[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2077823]I must say no guarantees in Germany FKK any more. But if good service is above 70 percent, as in my experience, I consider it quite all right.
I haven't interviewed the girls before the room and made no promises beyond 30 min sessions. Within 5 min in the room I knew the answers to all important questions. But I can assure you, most girls really want good business and repeated customers. I can only hope the trend doesn't change in the future.
Also, girls talk about clients more than before. My impression is that's the only topic for them nowadays. Seems like another cause of the new law.[/QUOTE]I am willing to pay for longer session as long as service is delivered and price offered is fair. But now we can say good bye to 50 euro BBBJ included session, oh I will miss that I am on good deal feeling I used to have for many years LOL.
Well let us see.
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Unfortunately the girls don't have any statistics to look at, but if they had I am sure some of the upselling girls would rip their own hair off after realising how many potential repeat customers they would have had if they didn't do all their upselling. The greed makes them push their luck too far, and as soon as the customer see it as a bad sign, he is lost to her. Though luck really. Finding good service girls has become a psychology game in most clubs now. Unfortunately.
I had fun on my last trip advising almost every guy I met to go with the girls who did the best service. And avoid those who held back. And that is how many other guys does it too. If the girls think they can just force top service girls in a club to provide less (like they did to Lucy at Palace), the losers will be the clubs and the other girls in the club. Because even if we do 2 sessions with the top girls, we might also try a random 3rd. But we won't go back to clubs with [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] poor service. Or where the girls in a certain club is trying to play you out of your money.
In the end the illusion we are paying for is not about how to loose money fastest. If the girls don't like a clubs price rate, they should all leave the club. And move to a more high rate club. Then the old club might take the hint and raise the prices the girls should take as an advisory rate. The girls choose the price themselves just doesn't work, and everyone looses from it. But the begging trend is a sad story.