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Thanks for the reply. Out of curiosity, has she introduced you to her relatives? If so, how has she explained on how she met you? In my opinion, no Mexican woman would want to admit that she is working as a prostitutes to her relatives. Some have told me that they say to the people taking care of their children while they're out working, such as their sister or mother, that they are working in restaurants or factories. Therefore, the question on how she met you would be an issue. She definitely cannot say that she met you as a client prior to you becoming her boyfriend.
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I am realizing that age and maturity are an advantage for men in Mexico, as opposed to the US. Is it just my imagination but it seems to me that Mexican women apparently are more attracted to guys who are in their 40s or older than those in their 20s. They seem to find maturity as a more attractive quality than youthfullness and looks.
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SunDevil,
My family is from Mexico and yes the women generally are more attracted to older guys. The place my family is from is very "old school" in its customs. It is not uncommon for men in their 30s and 40s to date women in their late teens. Although illegal here, some older men have married 15yr olds and it is not frowned upon in those areas.
It might be different in the bigger cities. My uncle knows several young girls who are always turning down good looking guys and big-money drug dealers in their town. The girls say they would rather wait for a serious older man, who won't leave them.
I think they have a strong fear about getting divorced so they pass on the youthful players and settle for the older men. Most are still virgins! (At least they claim to be.)
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SunDevil,
I don't think that Mexican women are more attracted to older men as much as they are attracted to more accomplished, financially secure men (as is the case in most of the rest of the world).
I'm 33 years old and my first girlfriend when I moved to Mexico was 16 years old (I swear that I didn't know at first). I was expecting her parents to kill me (they were only 3 years older than me), but they were all in favor of me dating their daughter. The oldest woman that I've gone out with was 24 (my current girlfriend). Women in Mexico aren't very different from other women across the globe: They just have different priorities and your status as a gringo will surpass almost all obstacles of age or appearance. (Especially since many, many Mexican women have the correct impression that American men treat their women better.) Be careful of gold-diggers, though. I always make it very clear that I came to Mexico to live a simple life and that I do not intend to return to the USA, except on vacation. However, money rules here. The richest men have the best women (and sometimes a handful). My town is on the poor side, so that might explain some of the materialism. But money will get you anywhere you need to be. The most vile, disgusting men have the most beautiful women because they have deep pockets. Non- gold-diggers do exist but every woman wants a man who can "take care of them and their family." That is a custom that transcends generations, it's part of their collective psyche, even among the educated, professional women.
I've only had a semi-relationship with a pro once, a couple of years ago. She was a real sweetheart, but a ton of trouble. I met some members of her family who came to visit during Christmas. She told them that she was a legal secretary for the government. She explained her strange hours by saying that she had to work whenever they found a dead body or a late night crime. Our relationship turned out terrible and ugly because the Pros, even the sweetest ones, usually have a dark side (sometimes very dark).
Take care and be safe
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J Boy
I visited the Lake Chalupa area in November. It is about 20 miles south-east of Guadulajara. Easy bus trip (60 pecos eachway) and safe and clean! The village of Chalupa is located on north shore of lake, about in the middle, east-to-west. About 6 miles west is village of AJIIJIC. This is where the large Us and Canadaian Ex-Pat community lives. Ajiijic is maybe 10-15,000 people, and the Ex-pat community is probably 25% of population. Easy to operate in english, many rests. have primarily english items on their menus.
Spoke to several regular american guys who have retired there, and to two who winter there, and return to states in summer time. You can rent an apt or condo there for $500 US per month that would cost you 1100 to 1200 here in Chicago.
Difficult to determine much about nightlife because of my companion. But many possible spots to try.
The city of Guadulajara offers anything a man could want. See previous posts re High Class Est.
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miller2k stated "I'm 33 years old and my first girlfriend when I moved to Mexico was 16 years old."
miller2k also stated "Women in Mexico aren't very different from other women across the globe: They just have different priorities and your status as a gringo will surpass almost all obstacles of age or appearance. (Especially since many, many Mexican women have the correct impression that American men treat their women better.)"
so miller2k is a molester and should not be allowed to post in this board.
miller2k is also a bigot "(Especially since many, many Mexican women have the correct impression that American men treat their women better.)".
I am not Hispanic but i found this quite racist. I hope Jackson takes away his membership.
It is people like miller2k who stated "I'm 33 years old and my first girlfriend when I moved to Mexico was 16 years old."
that give mongers a bad name.
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Boxing,
I too was a little surprised at the 16 yo girlfriend. I suspect it is not as bad as it first sounds, but I will leave it up to Miller2k to explain himself and the situation.
As to the idea that a gringo will treat a Mexican woman better (in general) than a Mexican man, I can tell you that from my experience this expectation of the ladies is quite common and probably quite true. It is a cultural difference duely noted by many observers including my Mexican friends, both male and female. Certainly this expectation lumps together many different elements - economics, US laws and customs and machismo among others. And although I don't have statistics to back up the assertion, I think that domestic violence is both more common and more tolerated in Mexico - or at least that is the opinion of many latinas, both there and here in the US. Clearly, this is a generalization and not meant to demean the majority of Mexican men who treat their wifes and girlfriends with respect. But I don't find Miller's comment racist in this regard.
And I think if you search and read his previous posts, you will find that Miller2k has come to the defense of women more than most writers on this forum.
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since i am a dickhead i will be more blunt than pk and state that there is no doubt in my mind that not just méjican men but men all over latin america treat their women "worse" than american men. the question then becomes: do they treat them too poorly or do american men treat their women better than they deserve? the truth is probably somewhere in between. latin men tend to desert their families more often than american men. that may sound like a racist comment but actually the basis is historical and is the vestiges of colonialism. similar history accounts for the similar situation with blacks in america, and the "out children" in the bahamas, and so forth ad nauseum.
as a student of méjican history, i can tell you that one of the largest mass [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124][CodeWord124][/url] in history took place when the conquistadores arrived in the new world. this leads to a situation which one prominent historian whose name i can't recall right now described as, "the méjican hates his spanish father for what he did to his indian mother but resents his indian mother for allowing it to happen [or words to that effect]." understanding this goes a long way to understanding machismo. understand also that the mestizo was initially created in the vast majority of cases by a spanish father and an indian or indigenous mother, and very rarely vice versa.
understand further that few of the conquistadores were married and of those few who were, most of them left their families behind when they chose to sail with cortés. that alone goes a long way to understanding the development of prostitution in méjico. cortés himself acknowledged children by at least three indigenous women, including the famous la malinche who accompanied the conquistadores as an interpreter.
it may also go a long way to explaining why there is such a high percentage of starfish among méjican prostitutes! however, none of this excuses miller 2k's **** exploits. he is a pompous fat fuck, but he does know his shit as far as the country is concerned.
look for this syndrome to spread as we face "four more wars" with bush and his perverted version of "compassionate colonialism."
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prokofiev,
okay we can all play the "my experience" racist game. what i am about to say is based on my true experiences.
i must mention that most of the women i have met when i am mongering have told me that the american and british men are the worse. they tend to smell and they have small dicks.
they laugh how insecure they feel compared to the latin lovers or the black studs they have fun with.
do not hate the messanger this is what i hear all the time.
i have traveled to the far east, europe, and all central and south american areas.
dickhead stated "i think that domestic violence is both more common and more tolerated in mexico."
since you have access to the internet you will find that white men are more than likely (per % of the population) to be child molesters "miller2k" and wife beaters. heck did you know that iowa and kansas have the highest rate of domestic abuse in the usa. not many blacks or latins there.
the real point of the report was to get peoples feedback about "miller2k" admission to have a girlfriend that was ****.
i enjoy this forum and i think we should make sure this type of activity does not exist here.
i was shocked when i read what "miller2k" said.
let's agree to keep this forum racist and **** free.
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"American and British men are the worse. They tend to smell and they have small dicks. Do not hate the messanger this is what I hear all the time."
I don't hate the messenger, especially since I smell quite nice and have a big dick . . . although I fail to see the point here. The idea that many latinas "have the impression that American men treat their women better" has more to due with education and economics than with love-making techniques or sexual confidence. Being "treated better" probably means a higher standard of living and creature comforts, better education and health care for their children and less domestic violence. Not whispering sweet words, screwing or dancing ability.
And although you may think wife beating is rampant in Iowa, I feel certain that more domestic violence goes unreported and certainly unpunished in Guadalajara than exists in the entire state of Iowa. I don't know where you are from, but I sense that you haven't spent a great deal of time in either Mexico or Iowa or Kansas. - Britain? Australia?
In the meantime we can wait for Miller2k to explain just what he did with the 16 yo girl, how he found out her age and what happened after he found out.
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Prokofiev,
Do you mean book smarts or street smarts???
Sure you have a big dick keep on thinking that Prokofiev. LOL
Prokofiev stated "I feel certain that more domestic violence goes unreported and certainly unpunished in Guadalajara"
Do you feel this or is this a FACT. You see Prokofiev it is racist assumtions like your statement that proves you are a bigot.
It is a fact that Iowa has the highest domestic violence rate in the United States.
This is documented and it is not a feeling.
Your racist tricks will not work here.
If you read my post you will noticed that I have lived in many areas of the world. So I have met many many people. Thank goodness most are not as ignorant and racist as you are.
Prokofiev states "in the meantime we can wait for Miller2k to explain just what he did with the 16 yo girl, how he found out her age and what happened after he found out."
He stated that he had a 16 year old girlfriend <----
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"Do you mean book smarts or street smarts???"
I have no idea what you are talking about . . .
"Prokofiev stated "I feel certain that more domestic violence goes unreported and certainly unpunished in Guadalajara" Do you feel this or is this a FACT. You see Prokofiev it is racist assumtions like your statement that proves you are a bigot. It is a fact that Iowa has the highest domestic violence rate in the United States. This is documented and it is not a feeling."
Look , whoever you are - it appears you only want to argue and not think. There can be no "facts" about unreported and unpunished domestic violence because it is UNREPORTED! This is a very common occurence in Mexico where reporting crimes to the police can itself be dangerous. And what constitutes domestic violence and its legal ramifications is quite different between different counties. I can find no info on domestic violence reporting in Mexico, which doesn't surprise me. And looking at rates across the US, I can find no report that says Iowa and Kansas are the worst states. A report on serious injury and death due to domestic violence by state, shows both near the bottom compared to New York, Arkansas and S Carolina. And by city, the highest rates are in NYC, Houston and LA - and that's per capita. Not that this makes the slightest difference in your arguement.
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You seem intent on branding everyone a racist who disagrees with you. For me, this discussion is closed. You are dismissed.
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Prokofiev,
I hate arguing I just do not tolerate racist thought like yours.
If you read all my previous posts in this forum you can see I like helping people out with information about our activity.
I will let the people in this board decide for themselves.
Your racist assumtions or facts.
Prokofiev stated "You seem intent on branding everyone a racist who disagrees with you. For me, this discussion is closed. You are dismisse."
It is not my intent it is only to expose people with little racist minds.
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i agree with pk that the statistics are suspect due to underreporting. also to say that "white" people have a higher rate of whatever ignores the fact that the spaniards were white and that many méjicans, particularly the upper class, are still relatively pure anglo, a/k/a "criollo" and thus are "white."
you see, the statistics and reporting are dependent on what is [b]perceived [/b]to be abuse, and what is [b]perceived[/b] to be "****d." in the united states, for example, the government provides free public education up to the age of approximately 18. partially for that reason, it is not common for people to marry and start families prior to that age, although it certainly does occur.
contrast that with méjico, which in general provides only 8 years of free public education, and then only if the parents can pay for uniforms, or even with perú which provides only five years of free public education. partially for that reason, it [b]is[/b] quite common for people to marry and start families at an earlier age, including at an age that would not be widely tolerated in the us and many other industrialized countries. furthermore you have the situation where in an agrarian society a large family is often an economic advantage and in an industrialized society it generally is not.
different perceptions of gender roles in latin societies also enter into it. many people in those societies consider it acceptable to "discipline" a wife and do not consider this to be "abuse." i am not saying i agree with this but it exists. again, it relates to the greater degree of economic dependence on men by women, which shifts the power in the relationship, and again much of it can be understood (although perhaps not justified) by looking at the history of colonialism in latin america.
i've been reading pk's posts for a long time and i do not think he is a racist. i think he is a realist and a very intelligent, well-read, and articulate one at that. me, i'm just a dickhead who travels a lot in latin america and reads a lot of history.
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Dickhead,
you have been a great service to this forum, especially in the Argentinan section.
I will drop the subject now like I promised and let the board decide.
Just remember the word Perceived is used to jusify racism throughout the world.
This is how PK PERCEIVES the world--
I perceive that Mexicans abuse their wives more than I.
I perceive that I know this because I lived there for awhile.
I perceive I know more than the police reports and other vital
statistics that state otherwise.
I perceive I know what UNREPORTED means.
I perceive rich people do not abuse their wife while poor people
do it constantly.
Yes, just remember the word Perceived is used to jusify racism throughout the world.
The topic will now be dropped and now on with the mongering.