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[quote=Strollguy]I stay in Deira and like to explore a city on foot, so the triangle was a bit far for me.[/quote]Do know what you mean by walking, BUT... jumping in a taxi here is pretty easy (as you reported later).
[quote=Strollguy]But I would rather not go to my hotel anymore. Any suggestions on how to go about this?[/quote]Just ask the girl how many ladies stay in her room. If it's only a couple, you can probably use her place. If she's a [i]barracks[/i] girl, she'll probably know a place. Can always use the Dallas, but I'd bring my flip-flops (not only for the shower, but for the [u]carpet[/u]).
Best bet is to check the "Reports of Distinction thread" for the link to the hotel summary. Next update, I'll add your Fortune experience.
[quote=Strollguy]So I thought Idd check out York, What a madhouse!! Well, it was wednesday which may be a busy night. [/quote]As Piper said, it does get busy on the weekend. But if you think that's a madhouse, check out Imperial Suites on a Thursday night, say midnight (MY advice, don't). Just the entrance to get in. Like I've posted, it's the "last lifeboat leaving" mentality of some.
[quote=Strollguy](Chinese) I felt screwed when I left certainly when I found that they most probably took another hundred from my trousers during the 10 secs I was in the bathroom.[/quote]As Piper said, I too doubt it. Not saying it can't, and doesn't, happen. But the times I'd thought it happened to me: found the 100 in a shirt pocket. Or, on reflection, realized the 60 dhs I had in my pocket was when I broke the 100 for those last couple of drinks. Given the prices of drinking OUT, VERY easy to go through a couple hundred.
[quote=Strollguy]Back to York: I think it is to hectic for me. [/quote]If you want a more laid back venue, I highly recommend SeaView. Not the best looking girls (though you can find some; well, at least I can). But good music, and less meat market.
[quote=Piper1]I can just imagine the look on your face, first time there.[/quote][b]THE[/b] shock and awe place is the Cyclone.
[quote=Strollguy]And what do you sy to get rid of these Chinese without getting rude to them? They dont take "no" for an answer.[/quote][quote=Azertyuk] Once inside, greeted by a sea of Chinese faces (to be expected) The ‘no thank you, not tonight dear’ does seem to work.[/quote]All in the [u]way[/u] you say it. Polite yes. But then, don't continue to make eye contact, conversation. Ignore them, look over their heads (that works in most cases; however, the Cyclone girl I pulled awhile back was more European height, and only small heels). It she continues, just tell her she'll "lose time". They're businesswomen; they understand time is money.[quote=Azertyuk]Used a couple of times with the engaging Chinese girls at the door, soon I was left well alone to listen to the band and pick a target at leisure.[/quote]And once you've made your point, you will be left alone. As I've posted before, this can be an advantage or a later hinderance. Sometimes, you can get mis-pegged, if you've turned down too many. The word on the [i]network[/i] does get around. In this case, you might have to make the 1st move on a girl that DOES interest you, rather than waiting for the usual first move from her.
[quote=Azertyuk]Three Kazakhstan girls Tania, Tania and Nadia (8,6,4) joined me near a table. We got talking, they were whining about the yellow sea before them. [/quote]Even those members who don't care for the chinese should thank them. Offering enough competition, they keep the prices down; that's why the other nationalities don't like them. And why, especially at Cyclone, seen talking to the chinese enclothes you with the "cloak of invisibility" to the CIS.
[quote=Azertyuk]I had been making contact for 1 hour before for her to come over, but she would not budge. I took the plunge, said my good byes to the three girls and headed across the room. [/quote]Normal custom, the chinese do the "cold calling". The CIS are passive operators, conserving energy, waiting for you to make the 1st move.
[quote=Azertyuk]Opening 1000 by her for LT, Responded with my customary 300 opening position. 500 by her, tried the move negotiations to 400 + 100 bonus. She would not have it. Used the car trick (see earlier post) but still she insisted on 500. I guess I lost the negotiations to first mover syndrome. If she had come to me may be it would have been different - supply side preasure and all that lark. [/quote]The "transportation" offer is good strategy; it can swing a deal as what you are paying is now all profit. But if she was [i]sharp[/i] as you imply, then she certainly knows her market [i]potential[/i]. Didn't matter if you approached her. I'd be guessing she rarely had to approach anyone. She knows what she can get, and will, from [u]someone[/u]. Like I say, all depends on what her experience is worth to you then.
[quote=Azertyuk]All in all, IMHO if you are looking for more bang for buck (not taking looks into account) you are better off with Chinese, [/quote][b]Individual[/b] tastes... I see MANY attractive asians, FEW European CIS, less Africans... I'm NOT going to them based on price.
[quote=Azertyuk]Although the Chinese may be more mechanical, they do genuinely try to please, [/quote]At least the ones I pull, I would not say mechanical... I worry about the soundproofing on my bedroom walls. I don't complain when the neighbors, 2am on a worknight, carry on a loud departing conversation on the street under my window (you can take them out of the village, but you can't take the village out of them). Spending a bit of time chatting with her in the bar to gauge "playfulness", paying a reasonable price, attention to deal... always a bit of luck, but you can enhance your odds. And few drama queens.
[quote=Kendo] This is based on one night, Saturday, at the times specified. Please correct me if it much different on different nights or at different times.[/quote]IMHO, it is important to post times in an FR. Just business: offering LT at 11pm - she's got to decide if it's sufficient as that will be all the money she'll make for the remainder of the night. No more potential. Different than an offer at 2:45am (some deals can be had, but some wg's think it's not worth the "wear and tear" on the [i]merchandise[/i]. Besides, for me, at my age, a 3am LT doesn't really work out to LT).
As posted by Piper, Thursday is [b]PRIME[/b] time, given everyone has Friday off. [i]Surcharges[/i] do seem to apply, at least for the popular girls. Wednesday's slightly behind Thursdays. Friday, Saturday usually pretty slow.
[quote=Kendo]Started out at YORK in the York International Hotel at around 10:30 pm. Many Chinese "girls" but nothing of acceptable quality. Almost all were in their 30's or very close to that age. ... they gave me blatent lies saying "22". [/quote]All depends. For me, the chinese usually look younger than they are. Only thing about age that concerns me is when they are TOO young (under 20).
[quote=Kendo]Moved on to RATTLESNAKE at the Metropolitan Hotel arrivign at perhaps 11:15 pm. ... Thanks to WSG I had a feel for the price and started at 200 Dhs. ... She refused 350 Dhs and I left around midnight.[/quote]200 dhs... not saying it can't be done, but that's more an afternoon price, not evening prime time. Maybe, if it's in town, ST. Even the days of 300 dhs LT, again, can be done, but rare. Or perhaps I've just gotten jaded, a 100 or 2 not that important when I'm [i]interested[/i].
[quote=Kendo]Next to the Cyclone and paid the 75 Dhs cover (no drink). It was immediately clear that the girls were at a whole different level here.[/quote]And that's why they can charge 75 dhs, no drink. Rarely is it not crowded. Even works for the girls; the cover serving to cull the cheap charlies like myself.
[quote=Kendo]I immediately began chatting-up a real stunner and she told me 300 USD for short time. She had no interest in anything less and I moved on.[/quote]And, most nights, she'll get it from someone. And when she says "200", she's not talking dhs :)
Consider yourself treated with respect; some will try a scam, saying 200/300, omitting "dollars". Naive punters think they have a deal (they're thinking dhs)... until they get back to their place (worst case); more likely, the reason she's returning in 5 minutes from the parking lot.
[quote=Kendo]In my mind, a much better value than what I would have gotten if the girl at the Rattlesnake had accepted my 350 offer.[/quote]All depends. That Cyclone's entrance fee does raise the total cost, and drinking out is NOT cheap here. Myself, guess I'm lucky: whichever bar I decide to hit that night, just about all the time, I can find a girl who [i]interests[/i] me.
[quote=Kendo]IN SUMMARY: York and Rattlesnake have older women who may be worth 250. But Cyclone has hot young chicks that, in my mind are worth at least 2X what you get at the other places. [/quote]No arguement there, but again, I think 250, unless it's ST, is going to be rarely seen, regardless of venue.
Rattlesnake, mid-week, Monday
With nothing better to do, hit Rattlesnake this evening, Monday. Had planned on getting there early, 9:30, but got tied up with work: checking my eyelids for holes. By the time that was finished, it was 10:30 when I walked in the door. Left at 12:30.
Best thing that can be said, the drinks are cheaper, at least soft drinks. 10 dhs for a coke, rather than the 20, 25 at other venues. On the other hand, it is Rattlesnake (I'm not a big fan of their band). Met one fellow countryman; he did not know of the forums, only slightly aquainted with dxb, so I gave him the CITY brief. Saw him disappear out the door just before I left, 2 chinese, $200USD LT for both. Hopefully, his hotel was guest friendly.
Mixture of chinese, african, and some CIS. Two very nice platinum blonde CIS, one quite attractive, 30ish. Quickly hit on. Best looking one disappeared out the door with a client. 30 minutes later, she was back: either she really does know how to process, or the deal fell apart. By midnight, did not see either of them around; they did stand out. Seemed pretty business oriented, so didn't bother to get a number (some regrets there).
Some reasonable attractive africans, if they appeal to you. But again, very off-putting: grabby. Otherwise, Rattlesnake is VERY low key; no unsolicited job interviews. Even takes several of YOUR smiles to have a chinese approach you.
THOUGHT I saw a -stani girl from Seaview there. Took me awhile to place Miss Dancing Kirgie; she's been on my to-do list. But she seems one to enjoy over time, not a rush job. After an hour, she disappeared alone, no doubt seeking greener pastures.
Could have sworn that several of the older chinese there tonight I used to see at Cyclone 3 years ago. Not sure, but they certainly looked familiar. Perhaps this is one place that might be considered a Cyclone [i]graveyard[/i].
One attractive, animated chinese. She caught me smiling at her; after a number of smile exchanges, she came over. The animation was attractive (as opposed to just sitting there), but she did know her [i]ranking[/i]. Her "take me, I'm beautiful",... I've had trouble with that before. Enquired about ST; she was a [i]flat rate[/i]: 500, ST, LT, didn't matter. First time I've heard that. Like I say, she knew her market-ability. A bit of regret, remembering that 5am alarm, I passed (but did get her number).
Several other chinese potentials. Nothing to write home about, but, on a given night... beats fighting traffic downtown. One tag team, both chinese, with one very non-chinese looking, were a tempting tag team, but, realizing that never quite works out as expected... passed. Again, if I'd spotted them at 11, might have pulled 1. But by midnight, I am a cheap charlie, like getting my money's worth.
One last chinese gave it a good try; tempting, I must say. Not a stunner by any means, but "girl next door" cute if you happen to live in Shanghai. Asking price, she would not give me a quote, wanting me to make the first offer. That brought me back to reality: I wasn't into bargaining this night, at this time. If she'd given a good price, I would have gone ST, but was in no mood to [i]dance[/i], so bade my farewells.
All in all: advantages: cheaper drinks, less traffic to fight to get to (even coming FROM town, traffic is headed other way). Low key, very non-agressive marketing (think Jockey's). Even when the band is playing, can still carry on a conversation.
Disadvantages: Some selection, but no stunners. Consider this down market for most wg's. I'd say similiar selection in Seaview; I prefer there just for the band. Reasonable place for mid-week, just to take the [i]edge[/i] off before the weekend. But if I was a visitor, I would not waste my time here; head for the better known venues.