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[QUOTE=Komo753;2167263]
Run Mann: Thanks for the link of the website you posted, I envisage trying girl only bars but I think it will be impossible because it is only open at night, I am sure any spa that Mr Enternational mentioned is closed at night so I have to find a way.
[/QUOTE]There are many ways to remove the chains from around your neck or wherever she has it on you. There are also several places that offer 24 hour outcall massage to your hotel room so a two hour outcall massage session for her could provide some cover for you to step out for a while. CL has a number of them under the Therapeutic section.
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[QUOTE=Komo753;2167263]Syzygies: My objective is to get laid with some stunners that's why I am more interested in clubs, I just want to avoid scam clubs. My aim is to have a good experience with Thai stunners and not to only get my balls empty. Because I won't go to Thailand for a while. I don't want to leave Thailand regretfully because our first experience in a country is always the most important because that determines whether we will continue mongering at that place or not.
I would also like to ask members that also have experience in mongering in Brazil or Russia.
[/QUOTE]Komo,
I tried to answer your previous post largely relating toladyboys, but your latest reply to me seems unrelated, in that you did not mention these clubs at first, in the post I replied to. Clubs can be expensive, and girl may not be available to go fuck, except at a latter time. So you could waste a lot of time entertaining without getting the sex going immediately. Added to that club girls maybe used to Asian customers and dick scared. Those girls will be very unlikely to perform to Brazil girl standards.
So I think your requirements seem a bit confused and contradictory. Explore clubs when you have no Mrs. Keeping a ball and chain on you.
You really have to decide what you want and how that can be achieved with a very limited time window. I don't see your Mrs. Being happy for you to disappear for hours. This means you won't have time to find stunners with guaranteed performance. Be prepared to take looks or performance, one or the other, but convenience and quick time being paramount.
You probably have to be content with a quick visit to a massage or blowjob joint, since that requires the least time. If you have hours to spare (without the Mrs being worried), you can try "The Lord" soapy or find a stunning Coyote girl in Billboard or Dollhouse in evening (8 PM+).
I would point out that I have a lot of difficulty to find stunning girls with great performance and not dick scared, and that is even without any restrictions on my movements and time in Bangkok. I have couple of bargirls that are a lot of fun regularly from Shark bar, Pat and Maa, but they might not be your taste. My best looking MP girls are all gone, so I have to look for new ones. Takes time.
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[QUOTE=Syzygies;2167132]Odours matter a lot for sensitive nose. LOL Could be Candida (Thrush) or could be her period (that can be a lot worse). My ex wife had a lot of Thrush problems so I did not go down there. Farangs don't always clean well. Current partner has no such problems, so always go down. No odour sufficient to be worth mentioning.
Some Thai girls are willing to have sex during their period without a sponge inside, but not that many I find. I am not scared of a little blood. My GF would not consider it though.
I am in sticky climate here for Songkran, so I shower several times per day and use a weak acid wash down there daily (Lactacyd) just to be absolutely doing the most to keep yeast infections away. It is good for the Mrs. To have confidence she is not going to pick up a yeast infection from the man. Can happen during hot sticky sex.
Also we must change underwear frequently (so dry and not sticky) or not wear any. Having a very low carbs diet also helps keep away certain yeast and bad bacteria.
Many working girls have to work during their period and then stuff a yellow sponge up there referred to as "Luuk Jiap" (like a "baby chicken" This makes it quite impossible for me to fuck them as sponge can be felt with a finger in pussy. So Sponge is not more than 4 inches away. Unfortunately I need more penetration than 4 inches. It is true that the sponge compresses but I still never get a good feeling from fucking a sponge. The dick then goes limp fairly rapidly. Sponges have been known to abrade condoms and cause them to break. Happened to me once or twice.
Many times I have been able to persuade a girl to take the sponge out, and then all is well. A high percentage also try to deny the sponge is there at first. There are a small number of Thai girls that try to work always with a sponge stuffed in there. They may try this to protect uterus from brusing during pounding. I gave up one Thai girl who claimed she always used a sponge.[/QUOTE]Yea Songkran, especially today I must have taken 6 showers everytime I need to go to the bathroom, I just stripped and after took a quick shower. I pretty much a gamer if the pussy has a bit of natural odor and the girl is a looker I'm not going to pass it up. But the one I mentioned it was so bad it nearly knock me over, like I opened a refrigerator and left something rotting for a long time? Being a nice type of guy I just played it off it was me, old tired and can't get it up. It was in one of the Darkside bars in Pattaya wasn't going to hurt her feelings and since it was only 700ST I paid here she even had the nerve to ask for a tip, I just smile could of took her then.
A few years back I was seeing a showgirl regularly, I use to joke how many times you give to your Thai boyfriend she was serious I was getting more than he was although I was paying. True of not she told me she was on the pill since she didn't want another kid especially by him and there were a number of times she ask me to take her for her monthly checkup required by the place she worked. That being said I pretty much saw her exclusively one evening at a party with her friends she offered everything up with protection. There were times when we were together she said she was having her period but if I was horny and it didn't bother me pretty much told me to knock myself out and I did just wasted a good towel.
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Bar girl as girl friends
I am sure most of the guys reading this are aware of the mistake of even faintly having any feelings other then lust for your typical Thai bar girl. I have a trip coming up to Thailand and as my MO I make some contacts pre-trip to fill in voids in my time like early morning romps or can not be bothered to go out that night. One such contact put some photos on her Line timeline which I instantly recognised as a city in my country and asked how long she was there for? After a few messages back and forth she told me she was with her Boyfriend but was considering a meeting with me if I ventured to that part of the country. Due to time and distance restraints I declined.
The moral of the story is you can take the girl out of the bar but. You know the rest.
Don't let little head rule big head.
Rob.
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[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2167623]But the one I mentioned it was so bad it nearly knock me over, like I opened a refrigerator and left something rotting for a long time? [/QUOTE]That is not too unusual for a western girl's period, although Thai girl periods are rarely that bad. Probably is worse for girls that use pads rather than tampons. The other option is she had an STD or very bad thrush. Anyway, better not to fuck a stinky pussy. I have fucked a few girls with period with minimal odours. They go for a good rinse first.
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[QUOTE=RobJones;2167815]
The moral of the story is you can take the girl out of the bar but. You know the rest.
Don't let little head rule big head.
[/QUOTE]If a girl has been working a bar for a very short time, her character may not have been too warped yet, especially if she is part time and selects her customers, like in Thermae.
However, as a girlfriend, she is really only likely to be with you for economic reasons. She is likely to collect multiple "boyfriend" sponsors. She may well be supporting a lazy Thai boy on the side.
Once a girl wants to meet you on an ongoing basis for no money, only then is there a chance it is not economic. Even then she may be thinking of future economic improvement.
It's very simple that we can buy sex, or companionship time, but it is not love that can be bought. Added to that you never really start to know someone until you live with them many hours per day on along term basis (years). You also don't know them unless you saw them drunk a few times and picked a fight with them while they are drunk.
It is not impossible to make a relationship, with a hooker, is just the chances are very very low. Chances can be low for regular Thai girls as well. Cultural differences and standards of behaviour can be incompatible. I am even allergic to girls from my own culture, LOL.
My attitude, is if ever finish with GF, I certainly don't want another one. Too much hassle. Too few benefits.
Lastly, if you have fallen for some girl real quick, you can forget her real quick as well, once you see it was unwise. It is called infatuation and is very temporary. Once you are with her for many years, it becomes different.
Us old guys learned these lessons.
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[QUOTE=Syzygies;2167950]If a girl has been working a bar for a very short time, her character may not have been too warped yet, especially if she is part time and selects her customers, like in Thermae.
However, as a girlfriend, she is really only likely to be with you for economic reasons. She is likely to collect multiple "boyfriend" sponsors. She may well be supporting a lazy Thai boy on the side.
Once a girl wants to meet you on an ongoing basis for no money, only then is there a chance it is not economic. Even then she may be thinking of future economic improvement.
It's very simple that we can buy sex, or companionship time, but it is not love that can be bought. Added to that you never really start to know someone until you live with them many hours per day on along term basis (years). You also don't know them unless you saw them drunk a few times and picked a fight with them while they are drunk.
It is not impossible to make a relationship, with a hooker, is just the chances are very very low. Chances can be low for regular Thai girls as well. Cultural differences and standards of behaviour can be incompatible. I am even allergic to girls from my own culture, LOL.
My attitude, is if ever finish with GF, I certainly don't want another one. Too much hassle. Too few benefits.
Lastly, if you have fallen for some girl real quick, you can forget her real quick as well, once you see it was unwise. It is called infatuation and is very temporary. Once you are with her for many years, it becomes different.
Us old guys learned these lessons.[/QUOTE]A lovely little girl from Semarang in Indonesia gave me a good lesson 15+ years ago! It could have have been more costly but a gut feeling inspired me to make a fake Yahoo ID and she soon showed her true colours to my new persona.
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[QUOTE=RobJones;2167966]A lovely little girl from Semarang in Indonesia gave me a good lesson 15+ years ago! It could have have been more costly but a gut feeling inspired me to make a fake Yahoo ID and she soon showed her true colours to my new persona.[/QUOTE]The really skilled girls are harder to catch out, as don't tell a lot of easily detected lies, and don't necessarily hookup on the internet sites. Can be just the girl omits major details of what is going on in her life.
I just warn that some girls went undetected for very long times.
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Basic primer
Here is my experience for what its worth. I was on a budget. Others here can add or disagree.
You will most likely fly into Bangkok. I wanted to go to pattaya. It is smaller and less intimidating if everything is new. To get there, at airport, after customs you go downstairs. There are buses that go to pattaya every hour. This is best way to go. While at airport you need to get some thai money. I suggest at least 5000 baht $150. You get from an ATM. You can extend your visa to 2 months at airport. I don't know how, hopefully others here will explain. Also you can get a sim card here. I got my sim card in pattaya. I added time to it when it got low by going to 7/11.
You should have a motel already picked out. Have the details and address in your phone. Have a picture of a map to it in your phone also. The place the bus takes you will have taxis close by. Have one of them take you to motel. It shouldn't cost more than a couple hundred baht. I think you can trust you are getting a fair price. You have nothing to compare so go with anything below say 500 thb. It shouldn't be near that high though. You need the map because many taxi drivers wont know the hotel and cant read the address in english.
Baht buses are the way to get around pattaya. They cost 10 baht. You ring a bell to get off. They have specific routes and you just change baht buses when you need. Ask someone on the bus how it works. They almost always are willing to help.
Walking street is the big place most newbies want to go to. It has the gogo bars. There are other places. But1st couple of days walking street, soi 6 and beer bars are all you need. Soi means street. The numbered ones run 90 degrees from beach road.
Prices of girls at berr bars and soi 6 were 1000 baht and 300 baht barfine. I never got a girl out of a gogo.
I suggest first night you get a girl at soi 6 and take her upstairs to have. Overnight I liked better but it might seem weird first night in a foreign country sleeping next to a woman you just met.
Big advice next. Go for what you want. Want a 3 some tell that, want CIM do that. Don't want to buy some girl a drink, then don't. I don't mean be a dick, but its your vacation and your money.
Anyone want to know anything else I will answer best I can. Again others here will have different opinions. These are just mine.
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Adding to my primer
7/11's are different from those here. They are not jacked up prices. If you need something and 7/11 has it it is a fair price. I trusted food carts. They are everywhere. I never got sick from one. Have a map showing your motel on your phone. If you get lost get a motorbike taxi and show him map to get home. Motorbike taxis are everywhere. A lot of stuff in no name stores is counterfeit, though some is just as good as real. You can get viagra at most pharmacies, though a few told me they couldn't sell it and I would need a prescription. Beach road is easy to find so learn where things are in relation to it.
Pattaya is safe. But don't be an idiot and be aware. I got pickpocketed by a ladyboy being grabby when I was walking about. So be careful if someone is putting there hands on you. There is no need to have more money on you then hou will need. I locked my valuables in a hard sided suitcase.
Pattaya is safe other then the traffic. It is something else. Be careful crossing roads. Motor bikes come out of nowhere and obey no law.
Atm's charge a 220 baht fee. So you are better withdrawing more money at a time as the fee is the same wheter you withdaw 500 thb or 5000 thb.
Some things i never figured out. I didnt understand my phone billing. I would go to 7/11 every few weeks and give them my number and 500 baht. I lost the ability to use cellular internet a few times. Wifi is a lot of places though.
Get line message app. Everyone in Thailand uses it and it is free.
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Primer
Good job Horatio. I would add to your primer. I always stay at hotels with an in room safe instead of using a suitcase as a safe. Your suitcase can be stolen. If possible get a debit card that will pay all fees when used abroad. I have an account at Charles Schwab Company which provides debit cards that don't cost anything to use at any ATM. Schwab refunds all ATM fees. There is no need to bring a lot of cash to Thailand or to walk around with a lot of cash. I don't know whether or not this service is available to Schwab clients outside the USA.
Most phones will work in Thailand but they need to be unlocked to accept a Thai Sim card. Thai telephone based internet is reliable and fast. Just as good as the USA in most places. Great for accessing the internet and using Google maps.
Don't rent jet skis. It looks like fun but these guys are big time scammers. They will overcharge for damage to the jet ski whether you caused it or not.
Keep far away from ladyboys on the street as Horatio mentioned. They are highly skilled in the art of pickpocketing and known to be scammers. Don't go near them. When they approach I smile, cover my pockets with my hands, and quickly walk away from them without furthur eye contact.
I would suggest not renting motorbikes. Other than girls, the most fun I had in Pattaya was renting motorbikes with my wingman on my annual trips. We loved tooling around town and riding to Jomtien, the floating market, the big Pattaya hill, and other nearby places. I stopped renting three years ago. There is too much traffic and it has become too dangerous especially for a rider who only drives a car at home. Also the police will ticket you unless you have an international driving license valid for motorcycles.
Horatio's primer can go on and on but this is a good start.
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[QUOTE=Allover;2170670]I would suggest not renting motorbikes. Other than girls, the most fun I had in Pattaya was renting motorbikes with my wingman on my annual trips. We loved tooling around town and riding to Jomtien, the floating market, the big Pattaya hill, and other nearby places. I stopped renting three years ago. There is too much traffic and it has become too dangerous especially for a rider who only drives a car at home. Also the police will ticket you unless you have an international driving license valid for motorcycles.
[/QUOTE]Also if you have an accident and don't have a valid motorcycle license then you could invalidate your travel insurance. Best to check your policy beofre leaving home.
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Expense Summary.
As there seems to be a lot of discussion related to expenses recently, I thought I would share my recent trip- 4/1-4/12- 11 nights (3 BKK, 8 Jomtien Beach) on the ground, as I used to live on expense account I am used to keeping records, even on vacation.
Ground Transportation: $112- I used pre arranged taxis thru Peak Taxi- all good fares, except going Airport to BKK where I pre-arranged over the internet- don't do this, book a car at the airport for about $10 less. After or before 30 hours on an airplane I don't want to wait for a bus. I use the Baht Bus in Pattaya / Jomtien and the BTS in BKK, and there is quite a bit of walking also.
Food: $15 daily average, except breakfast was included in the room. I enjoy a good hotel breakfast which can easily be had if planned ahead, then generally a light lunch and food market / car park dinner of local foods. Also enjoy street food and the Food Court at Terminal 21 is about as good as you can get (you can eat just about as much as you would like for $7).
Beer: $12 daily average- beer runs 65-150 generally about 75.
Misc / Tours: $18 daily average- this includes daily foot massage, laundry, snacks, - don't hire a guide for any of the tours- especially a working girl- you can do it all on your own if you have two wits about you.
Entertainment: $70 daily- I was exclusive with Thai Friendly girls, I had 9 with several overnights, the latter being the best bet- I liked the 2:00 pm til 9:00 am schedule the best. Generally in BKK 2500 (2 hrs /2 Shots), Jomtien 1,000ST, 1500 2/2- overnight about the same with food, treats, breakfast and a tip pushing it upward. Thai Friendly Girls 18-25 1000,38-41 1500 with 2/2 and generally as long as you like.
I am not big into GO GO bars, therefore I visited a number but did not do LD or Bar Fines, be sure to go and look- if you are nice and friendly and buy your own drinks and be upfront that you are not going to bar fine, you can enjoy a great scene do some touch and feel and enjoy for the price of a couple of beers- I have done beer bars but seem to be looking at too many old pros, there are two bars "Wonderful 1 and 2" second road and Soi 13 and one block down which seem to have a different set up for selection of girls which is positive so I have enjoy their service in the past.
The gentlemen's clubs (Kinearne? Is good but seems to be really a 1 and done for all in 1500, I went into Kit Kat Club in Jomtien and was the only guy there so left and have not been back, Soapies in Pattaya in the past 2200-2500 for their routine- do it once. MP in BKK vary by the experience- I did not get to them this trip, Soi 6 and Nana are good to walk thru but not my style.
Hotels: Bangkok. Adelphi Suites: $100, Agate Jomtien Beach $55- both inclusive of tax, tip, and breakfast for two- you can obtain best rates by dealing direct with the hotels (get a compare rate and availability on the search engine res services (Booking, Agoda) but then deal direct with hotels).
My selection of hospitality services may be not as normal as many on the site, as I have been to Thailand multiple times, and have matured past 65 so two sessions a day can't be accomplished in their entirety each day. And I have a tough time staying up til 4:00 am waiting for a bar girl.
Rates are based on 31 Baht per US $, which is almost 10% less than last year, and some prices have gone up in Thailand as well.
Hope this information helps for anyone planning a trip. Thanks to all that have contributed to the Forum and remember RTFF, YMMV, and Cheers, PM me for any specifics.
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[QUOTE=StLouisMo2010;2171660]As there seems to be a lot of discussion related to expenses recently, I thought I would share my recent trip- 4/1-4/12- 11 nights (3 BKK, 8 Jomtien Beach) on the ground, as I used to live on expense account I am used to keeping records, even on vacation.
Ground Transportation: $112- I used pre arranged taxis thru Peak Taxi- all good fares, except going Airport to BKK where I pre-arranged over the internet- don't do this, book a car at the airport for about $10 less. After or before 30 hours on an airplane I don't want to wait for a bus. I use the Baht Bus in Pattaya / Jomtien and the BTS in BKK, and there is quite a bit of walking also.
Food: $15 daily average, except breakfast was included in the room. I enjoy a good hotel breakfast which can easily be had if planned ahead, then generally a light lunch and food market / car park dinner of local foods. Also enjoy street food and the Food Court at Terminal 21 is about as good as you can get (you can eat just about as much as you would like for $7).
Beer: $12 daily average- beer runs 65-150 generally about 75.
Misc / Tours: $18 daily average- this includes daily foot massage, laundry, snacks, - don't hire a guide for any of the tours- especially a working girl- you can do it all on your own if you have two wits about you.
Entertainment: $70 daily- I was exclusive with Thai Friendly girls, I had 9 with several overnights, the latter being the best bet- I liked the 2:00 pm til 9:00 am schedule the best. Generally in BKK 2500 (2 hrs /2 Shots), Jomtien 1,000ST, 1500 2/2- overnight about the same with food, treats, breakfast and a tip pushing it upward. Thai Friendly Girls 18-25 1000,38-41 1500 with 2/2 and generally as long as you like.
I am not big into GO GO bars, therefore I visited a number but did not do LD or Bar Fines, be sure to go and look- if you are nice and friendly and buy your own drinks and be upfront that you are not going to bar fine, you can enjoy a great scene do some touch and feel and enjoy for the price of a couple of beers- I have done beer bars but seem to be looking at too many old pros, there are two bars "Wonderful 1 and 2" second road and Soi 13 and one block down which seem to have a different set up for selection of girls which is positive so I have enjoy their service in the past.
The gentlemen's clubs (Kinearne? Is good but seems to be really a 1 and done for all in 1500, I went into Kit Kat Club in Jomtien and was the only guy there so left and have not been back, Soapies in Pattaya in the past 2200-2500 for their routine- do it once. MP in BKK vary by the experience- I did not get to them this trip, Soi 6 and Nana are good to walk thru but not my style.
Hotels: Bangkok. Adelphi Suites: $100, Agate Jomtien Beach $55- both inclusive of tax, tip, and breakfast for two- you can obtain best rates by dealing direct with the hotels (get a compare rate and availability on the search engine res services (Booking, Agoda) but then deal direct with hotels).
My selection of hospitality services may be not as normal as many on the site, as I have been to Thailand multiple times, and have matured past 65 so two sessions a day can't be accomplished in their entirety each day. And I have a tough time staying up til 4:00 am waiting for a bar girl.
Rates are based on 31 Baht per US $, which is almost 10% less than last year, and some prices have gone up in Thailand as well.
Hope this information helps for anyone planning a trip. Thanks to all that have contributed to the Forum and remember RTFF, YMMV, and Cheers, PM me for any specifics.[/QUOTE]Excellent posting with some realistic expenses. Thanks.
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[QUOTE=StLouisMo2010;2171660]
Rates are based on 31 Baht per US $, which is almost 10% less than last year, and some prices have gone up in Thailand as well.
[/QUOTE]Thanks for the summary but next time please quote all prices in Baht. This board has members from all over the world, not just the US, so please quote prices in the currency of the land you're talking about. Makes it a lot easier for everyone to convert the prices to their home currency.