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[QUOTE=DeltaIndigo;2160648]I actually love women and so do most mongers. A lot of the vitriol is directed at femi nazis and unless you are oblivious to reality there are loads of them around and they have political influence. Were you ever married? You do know the rules are stacked against you.
Is the anti prostitution cartel led by fat ugly resentful bitches? That isn't rocket science, the more they restrict our options the more power they have.[/QUOTE]I love fucking beautiful women, but I do not love them as human beings period. I just love having sex with them, not more not less.
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[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2160629]If you've read one "caveman manifesto" you've read them all.
Guys if you must make these women-hating, insult filled, pseudo-scientific, psyche-purging, mythology filled screeds, please at least make them a bit legitimate by including some evidence. By evidence I don't mean speculation that fits your psychological needs. I mean real evidence like peer-reviewed scientific studies, or articles, or books written by recognized experts.
What I see in these posts are the ravings one might expect from a wandering drunk locked out of his bar past closing time.[/QUOTE]I based my ravings on lecture 2 or 3 (been awhile since I saw those now) by the same Yale professors. Its all in there if you care to watch it. It is a very interesting piece of 'caveman manifesto' indeed. All based on science. Time is better spent watching those lectures than writing in here. Especially if all one does is typing down comic book literature on what society believes in. Comic book writers are not normally scientists, yet people take them for granted.
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Emprical evidence
Neurosynth has a good point.
Well, the first thing is that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence; and that people are not honest as Mr Kinsey found out in the 1950's. Nor am I apologizing for the rants he refers to.
Women are very different and also corralled into countries / race / economic spheres / political system. What I was getting at is a fairly narrow complaint around western countries and specifically the USA. It is not hate women. It is that men in the USA need to become emotionally and financially resilient rather than laying the whole deck down on one individual (ie a women) and lash out when this foolish concentration of risk detonates. This is what FKKs are the opposite of when groups of male friends can behave like, men, that is chilling out and partaking of luscious young women in their prime.
As for the rest, state sponsored repression of who and under what terms we sleep with consent people over 16 is a peculiar thing and one that opens some interesting power issues.
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[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2160700]when groups of male friends can behave like, men, that is chilling out and partaking of luscious young women in their prime.[/QUOTE]Do you really believe what you are posting here? Or just trying to provoke some reactions? FKKs are brothels with a nicer front to them, they are not the real world. If they were, why don't you and your friends go to a "discotheque", chilling out and partaking of luscious young women in their prime there? Oh forgot, that wouldn't work out so well.
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Unpalatable question
[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2160700]
As for the rest, state sponsored repression of who and under what terms we sleep with consent people over 16 is a peculiar thing and one that opens some interesting power issues.[/QUOTE]An even more interesting question is why is it the Germans, of all people, who grant us men the right to have fun, while the allies of WWII (US, UK etc.) do not tolerate us men having fun?
On top of their historical baggage, the Germans have the reputation to be righteous, to have little sense of humour and to be sticklers for legality. And yet it is the Germans who give us men this space of freedom, not the victors of 1945.
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[QUOTE=XXL;2160723]An even more interesting question is why is it the Germans, of all people, who grant us men the right to have fun, while the allies of WWII (US, UK etc.) do not tolerate us men having fun?
On top of their historical baggage, the Germans have the reputation to be righteous, to have little sense of humour and to be sticklers for legality. And yet it is the Germans who give us men this space of freedom, not the victors of 1945.[/QUOTE]I thought the same thing before.
Maybe, due to their rationalism lead to think, prostitution is there, so let legalize it, regulate it, control it and tax it for the efficiency for all parties.
Same in Japan for porn, it is most sick and crazy porn here, yet we got similar reputation as Germans like strict, organized, control fanatics etc. Though our regulation went bit too much for prostitution that are in gray zone, which leave me to have bareback sex once in awhile, quite often during paid act.
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[QUOTE=XXL;2160723]An even more interesting question is why is it the Germans, of all people, who grant us men the right to have fun, while the allies of WWII (US, UK etc.) do not tolerate us men having fun?
On top of their historical baggage, the Germans have the reputation to be righteous, to have little sense of humour and to be sticklers for legality. And yet it is the Germans who give us men this space of freedom, not the victors of 1945.[/QUOTE]Well the Germans do not have a monopoly on legal prostitution. But like many things German, they have a way of making things efficient and eliminating waste.
Plenty of fun to be had in Allied nations. Succumbing to the demands of irrational women is an individual mistake and / or weakness.
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[QUOTE=XXL;2160723]An even more interesting question is why is it the Germans, of all people, who grant us men the right to have fun, while the allies of WWII (US, UK etc.) do not tolerate us men having fun?
On top of their historical baggage, the Germans have the reputation to be righteous, to have little sense of humour and to be sticklers for legality. And yet it is the Germans who give us men this space of freedom, not the victors of 1945.[/QUOTE]Maybe people will jump all over me for this, but: I always thought WWII was about fighting the Nazis, who just happened to be Germans (and some Austrians as well), not Germans per se. And: I don't believe there are Nazis in charge of Germany any more, certainly not Nazis running FKK clubs.
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[QUOTE=Ortos;2160795]Maybe people will jump all over me for this, but: I always thought WWII was about fighting the Nazis, who just happened to be Germans (and some Austrians as well), not Germans per se. And: I don't believe there are Nazis in charge of Germany any more, certainly not Nazis running FKK clubs.[/QUOTE]And if Wilhelm II had had a smaller mustache, he would have been a Nazi as well like Hitler, and thus uneligible to manage an FKK.
This doesn't tell us why it should be Germans, many of whom "just happened to be nazis" in WWII, granting men the right to a sex life while the anti-nazi / anti-German nations of yore developed into totalitarian feminist police states.
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[QUOTE=Ortos;2160795]Maybe people will jump all over me for this, but: I always thought WWII was about fighting the Nazis, who just happened to be Germans (and some Austrians as well), not Germans per se. And: I don't believe there are Nazis in charge of Germany any more, certainly not Nazis running FKK clubs.[/QUOTE]Ortos, a sensible differentiation. The Germans do tend to be a bit legalistic and value group think more than a one countries (I know it is a sweeping generalisation) but being German did not equal Nazi. The Nazis never got more than 33% of the vote, and were actively opposed by the majority of Germans. After they came to power dissent meant death. Many Germans were killed by the Nazis on the streets, in the prisons, and in concentration camps.
Intolerance may be growing in Germany, but that doesn't mean the Nazis are in power
Oddly enough, Austria however welcomed the Nazis in, but they have escaped being tarred with the same brush as the Nazis.
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[QUOTE=XXL;2160806] doesn't tell us why it should be Germans, many of whom "just happened to be nazis" in WWII, granting men the right to a sex life while the anti-nazi / anti-German nations of yore developed into totalitarian feminist police states.[/QUOTE]Maybe....The opening up of pay sex in Germany was the last gasp of the 1960's radical left influence in politics. In Germany this was a very strong movement. This movement was much weaker and expired much earlier in the social- democratic statist countries of Scandinavia.
The overall trend is as you say towards intolerant totalitarian feminism, Germany just lags behind the Scandinavian countries
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[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2160629]If you've read one "caveman manifesto" you've read them all.
Guys if you must make these women-hating, insult filled, pseudo-scientific, psyche-purging, mythology filled screeds, please at least make them a bit legitimate by including some evidence. By evidence I don't mean speculation that fits your psychological needs. I mean real evidence like peer-reviewed scientific studies, or articles, or books written by recognized experts.
What I see in these posts are the ravings one might expect from a wandering drunk locked out of his bar past closing time.[/QUOTE]+1.
It is so tiresome having to read the same cliche filled rants repeated ad nauseum. Around here, "feminist" is the bogey man. Whatever your worldview (from extreme left to extreme right) is, as long as you make feminists the scapegoat for all the lousy things happening in your life, you will get applause lines from other frustrated mongers. Be that as it may, why do we need to read the same cra $p a million times in a thread dedicated to German FKK? Ofc these posters will claim every and any ill in the world emanates from the misdeeds of these feminist bogey wo/men and hence these feminists can blamed for everything — from bbbj ban to a broken shower in Sharks. Presumably, before humanity invented this feminist species, honey and milk and booze flowed freely throughout the land and every man had a million young girls to fuck in his personal harem.
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It is so tiresome having to read the same cliche filled rants repeated ad nauseum.[/QUOTE]+1. Even in the lounge and chat area it is just getting boring, tiresome and ridiculous.
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[QUOTE=MrHo;2160746]I thought the same thing before.
Maybe, due to their rationalism lead to think, prostitution is there, so let legalize it, regulate it, control it and tax it for the efficiency for all parties.
Same in Japan for porn, it is most sick and crazy porn here, yet we got similar reputation as Germans like strict, organized, control fanatics etc. Though our regulation went bit too much for prostitution that are in gray zone, which leave me to have bareback sex once in awhile, quite often during paid act.[/QUOTE]As a male in my 50's from US, I went through a series of stage changes in my life. College. Marriage. First child. Denied quality of home food and regular sex from wife as a "punishment" for disagreeing with her. Picking up street walkers in Boston "combat zone". Escorts in Boston, NY, Miami, Vegas, LA, Seattle, Toronto, Montreal, the Caribbeans. Had a few sex affairs outside marriage primarily with female colleagues at work.
When I hit my 40's, I was getting nearly zero sex at home. Maybe a few times a year on vacations and after both of us being drunk after a party. Went to a lawyer for consultations on legal divorce. Took about a year to weigh in on all options. And when I was already in active stages of searching for a rental apartment to separate and move out of the house, the wife came in and said she had a colon cancer.
After some 3 years of treatments she survived. So did our shamble marriage, compounded with the needs to care for the now elderly parents. What about me? I reverted to porn. More and more. At some point porn got me feel depressed. I would not admit it to myself back then, but today I say it firmly, yes, I was seriously depressed.
I don't have anything against porn, but in US, porn is often regarded by mass media to be instant solution to any male's sex problem. No sex? Just go and jerk off to porn. This hypocrisy of legalized porn along side with banned prostitution is killing men's sexual performance, as for example, Gary Wilson reports in his "The great porn experiment" talk [URL]https://youtu.be/wSF82AwSDiU[/URL].
Although I do not agree with all points of view expressed in the video, it conveys the essence of any asocial porn consumption being a significant problem at any man's age.
Luckily, I quickly caught myself slipping into this women-sex-depraved depression and forced myself to switch mongering overseas. And it wasn't easy at first. My initial two or three trips I had trouble finishing in rubber, favoring CIM or HJ providers as my "safety net", longer rooms, and general overspending. Gradually, my condom performance improved with girls offering excellent DFK. Alas, I started to cum in rubber more and more often, feeling better and better. Thanks to all of these ladies!
The bottom line: shame on US! I plan my retirement in a different part of the world.
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[QUOTE=DeltaIndigo;2160648]I actually love women and so do most mongers. A lot of the vitriol is directed at femi nazis and unless you are oblivious to reality there are loads of them around and they have political influence. Were you ever married? You do know the rules are stacked against you..[/QUOTE][QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2160700]Neurosynth has a good point.
It is not hate women. It is that men in the USA need to become emotionally and financially resilient rather than laying the whole deck down on one individual (ie a women) and lash out when this foolish concentration of risk detonates. This is what FKKs are the opposite of when groups of male friends can behave like, men, that is chilling out and partaking of luscious young women in their prime..[/QUOTE][QUOTE=MrHo;2160654]I love fucking beautiful women, but I do not love them as human beings period. I just love having sex with them, not more not less.[/QUOTE]Not so sure about the caveman manifesto, but don't misconstrue some of the posters here. Mr Ho's post notwithstanding, I think the others are speaking about the wave of extreme liberalism seen in the USA, which should be differentiated from European liberalism; the latter is more grounded by traditional values while the American version is fueled by irrational and inauthentic value signaling.
Like Delta said, some are just merely pointing out an uncontrolled agenda propagated by a segment motivated by self interest, while Pahllus is adding that some of the beta-males are at fault for letting it happen.