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[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2165590]Jazakallah Bitumen, if you're into it there's a great parable by the same poet on the dangers of the animal-soul:
[URL]http://www.naseeb.com/journals/very-interesting-rumi-poem-x-rated-7756[/URL][/QUOTE]Remember: any loving is good loving. Nice after dinner anecdote.
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[QUOTE=MythoVirus;2165476]Since we are on the topic of BBFS, and HIV probabilty, no one mentioned the benefits of circumcision, last time I checked it does confer protection against HIV, as the foreskin is highly populated by an immue cell called dendric cells, which are the target cells for HIV itself, removal of the foreskin on the other hand significantly decrease those cells, ergo decreasing the chance of being infected with HIV. No pushing an agends or anything, just worth a read.[/QUOTE]The implication of what you have described means it's safer for working girls to bare back an Ottoman since they will be circumcised. Maybe this helps with conversion or why the girls like a relationship with an Ottoman. Just a suggestion.
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[QUOTE=Bitumen;2165680]Hi McAdonis,
If I may take the liberty to suggest, how you have interpreted Bfsie's intuition sounds a tad negative hinting at an older more experienced man (with power) derived from the attributes you have listed has taken advantage of as you say an inexperienced "target" which is a much younger girl as Bfsie has explained. I am quite sure you are not seriously suggesting that here but wish you will confirm that this is the case to alleviate some fears. Thank you.[/QUOTE]I used the word "target" all the time when I am speaking with other customers in the club. The context: asking them which WG they plan to session with next. Also the "target" is not always some innocent prey unable to defend themself. I'd say Egyptian Angelina "targets" newbies. But she's 97% unsuccessful. So the "targets" have the wherewithal to stand their ground and assertively tell her to go away.
With regards to taking advantage, age and experience does not matter. Nor does age and experience connote "power". I'd say many of these younger WGs take advantage of much older, experienced customers by draining their savings. Taking advantage to me would be a Weinstein-type situation. She does not WANT to fuck him, but she does it only because he holds the key to their dreams and aspirations. I can't think of any customers who would hold that amount of power over a WG. Maybe if said customer knows the owner and can get her fired? Or if said customer threatens to out her as a WG to all her friends and family on FB?
Bfsie clearly is confident that he can ignite the chemistry so that WGs actually want to fuck him. That is different from a man with power who blackmails a woman for sex. But in the end it is just my interpretation. I could be completely wrong. Bfsie can correct me and I will take zero offense.
My original post did not seem negative to me. KK and Pistons responded to it, maybe they though it was negative too? I don't proof-read every single word in my posts. A third of posters are moderated around here it seems, presumably because someone found their post offensive and reported them. Maybe I should be next.
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[QUOTE=MythoVirus;2165476]Since we are on the topic of BBFS, and HIV probabilty, no one mentioned the benefits of circumcision, ....[/QUOTE]Let's say no to sexual mutilations!
Even if it's only males being mutilated and not "poor lill'girls", sexual mutilations are barbaric. Regarless of gender.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2165703]My original post did not seem negative to me. KK and Pistons responded to it, maybe they though it was negative too? I don't proof-read every single word in my posts. A third of posters are moderated around here it seems, presumably because someone found their post offensive and reported them. Maybe I should be next.[/QUOTE]Not at all was it negative. But like I normally do, I try to switch up the context and paradigm to put things in perspective. In this case making Bfsie the prey instead of the hunter. But you can switch these things around too if you wish.
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[QUOTE=Bitumen;2165686]The implication of what you have described means it's safer for working girls to bare back an Ottoman since they will be circumcised. Maybe this helps with conversion or why the girls like a relationship with an Ottoman. Just a suggestion.[/QUOTE]With this rationale it's fair to say the FKK ladies are more likely to BB men with less Smegma, I think commonly referred to by some women in the business as White Dick Cheese. As a circumcised male, I can tell you I have been told on multiple occasions by WG that they prefer performing oral, BB or Covered, on a easy to see that it's clean, without sores, and fresh smelling dick. I love reading ISG in the middle of the night when I can't sleep. I never knew there was an actual word for White Dick Cheese. I will take great pleasure in spreading this knowledge to women while spreading legs and parting lips around the FKK arena.
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All these analysis of STDs stats are really a complete waste of time. Stats reflect group of people/encounters as a whole and not individual people and encounters. It doesn't reflect your lifestyle and / or genes and / or other factors that could make you more susceptible than the "average" person for certain diseases. It doesn't reflect the viral load of the girls you are BBFSing with.
She could be a walking bag of HIV virus vs. she caught HIV from 24 hours before your session changes the risk. She could be testing regularly but if she picked up an STD the first session immediately after providing her blood sample, it renders the negative result she receives two days later meaningless. If the STD she picks up have a long seroconversion period, then the negative results from her next several tests could also be false negatives. By the time the test returns positive, she could have been infecting various customers for weeks without knowing.
Just because that stats is 1% doesn't reflect your individual risk. If it is not 0%, then it means someone caught it and whether it is 10% or 0.04% or 0.000001% is really irrelevant if YOU happen to be that 0.000001%.
What matters is are you wiling to accept the consequences of being infected with a life-changing STD? For some mongers, maybe they don't give a fuck while others, maybe with wife and young kids may have less tolerance to the impacts of catching something as minor as oral herpes/gonorrhea/chlamydia.
There's really no point pushing stats to exaggerate or downplay risks from BBFS as they really have no meaning to an individual. It's an individual monger's choice on whether they are willing to accept risks and consequences STDs present.
[QUOTE=MrHo;2165432]That is what I plan to do. I do bareback here at home with working girls, but I also choose too.
Also being in FKK for 9 years without bareback sex, but with all other BBBJ etc and I never got any std in FKK so far, also I never read any std reports from FKK. It is odd though because many of these girls in FKK are quite reckless and fuck so many guys in FKK and outside, but yet, I never heard of incidents of std in FKK.[/QUOTE]I suspect not many established board member would go around and advertise they caught a STD especially if they hang out in person with other board members. They would probably setup a duplicate account to do so but then get they get their credibility challenged when people see the low post count of the duplicate account.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2165703]I used the word "target" all the time when I am speaking with other customers in the club. The context: asking them which WG they plan to session with next. Also the "target" is not always some innocent prey unable to defend themself. I'd say Egyptian Angelina "targets" newbies. But she's 97% unsuccessful. So the "targets" have the wherewithal to stand their ground and assertively tell her to go away.
With regards to taking advantage, age and experience does not matter. Nor does age and experience connote "power". I'd say many of these younger WGs take advantage of much older, experienced customers by draining their savings. Taking advantage to me would be a Weinstein-type situation. She does not WANT to fuck him, but she does it only because he holds the key to their dreams and aspirations. I can't think of any customers who would hold that amount of power over a WG. Maybe if said customer knows the owner and can get her fired? Or if said customer threatens to out her as a WG to all her friends and family on FB?
Bfsie clearly is confident that he can ignite the chemistry so that WGs actually want to fuck him. That is different from a man with power who blackmails a woman for sex. But in the end it is just my interpretation. I could be completely wrong. Bfsie can correct me and I will take zero offense.
My original post did not seem negative to me. KK and Pistons responded to it, maybe they though it was negative too? I don't proof-read every single word in my posts. A third of posters are moderated around here it seems, presumably because someone found their post offensive and reported them. Maybe I should be next.[/QUOTE]I also build a target list when I go to the clubs, containing the names of women I hope to session with. Maybe I should change to a more politically sensitive term, perhaps a "List of Eves". No, Eve has a gender and religious context. Can we settle on a "List of Them"?
Anyway, I'm not sure if I'm taking advantage of my List of Them or if they take advantage of me. It seems my abundance of good looks, experience and charm transfer to Them by the end of most nights.
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Fact is, only a tiny bit of the customers go unprotected, so the risk is really minuscule if you go the extra length paying a fortune. And besides, it is even illegal now. So this is an oxymoron topic anyway.
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[QUOTE=TransAtlantic;2165771]I suspect not many established board member would go around and advertise they caught a STD especially if they hang out in person with other board members. They would probably setup a duplicate account to do so but then get they get their credibility challenged when people see the low post count of the duplicate account.[/QUOTE]No need to be secretive. I visited the AO places in Moers half a decade ago. I visited 5 times and got chlamydia twice. I fucked 2 or 3 girls each time. Doxocycline worked but it put me off AO in Europe. To me it seemed the risk was at least 10 times that of Indonesia or Africa where I had been barebacking then.
Fucking style might be a factor (protracted pounding with hardly any BJs being the worse).
Now I find sex with 0.02 polyurethane condoms is nearly as good as barebacking.
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[QUOTE=XXL;2165782]No need to be secretive. I visited the AO places in Moers half a decade ago. I visited 5 times and got chlamydia twice. I fucked 2 or 3 girls each time. Doxocycline worked but it put me off AO in Europe. To me it seemed the risk was at least 10 times that of Indonesia or Africa.[/QUOTE]Bacterial STDs are treatable with no lasting effects. It's like catching a food poisoning or other bacterial infection but just go on several weeks of doxocycline to clean up. If a established member who know other members in real-life or perhaps go on monger trips together and did catch something that is not curable, I suspect it won't be as openly advertised.
My point to Mr. Ho is just because it is not reported does not mean he can interpret it as no one on this board caught a life-changing STD from BBFS.
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[QUOTE=TransAtlantic;2165771]All these analysis of STDs stats are really a complete waste of time. Stats reflect group of people/encounters as a whole and not individual people and encounters. It doesn't reflect your lifestyle and / or genes and / or other factors that could make you more susceptible than the "average" person for certain diseases. It doesn't reflect the viral load of the girls you are BBFSing with.
She could be a walking bag of HIV virus vs. she caught HIV from 24 hours before your session changes the risk. She could be testing regularly but if she picked up an STD the first session immediately after providing her blood sample, it renders the negative result she receives two days later meaningless. If the STD she picks up have a long seroconversion period, then the negative results from her next several tests could also be false negatives. By the time the test returns positive, she could have been infecting various customers for weeks without knowing.
Just because that stats is 1% doesn't reflect your individual risk. If it is not 0%, then it means someone caught it and whether it is 10% or 0.04% or 0.000001% is really irrelevant if YOU happen to be that 0.000001%.
What matters is are you wiling to accept the consequences of being infected with a life-changing STD? For some mongers, maybe they don't give a fuck while others, maybe with wife and young kids may have less tolerance to the impacts of catching something as minor as oral herpes/gonorrhea/chlamydia.
There's really no point pushing stats to exaggerate or downplay risks from BBFS as they really have no meaning to an individual. It's an individual monger's choice on whether they are willing to accept risks and consequences STDs present.
I suspect not many established board member would go around and advertise they caught a STD especially if they hang out in person with other board members. They would probably setup a duplicate account to do so but then get they get their credibility challenged when people see the low post count of the duplicate account.[/QUOTE]Hmmm. BBFS is magical feeling, but yes it can be life changing and lasting. It is like getting hit by car crossing street.
I would not go to AO club though I always had interest to go, but I always thought looks of girls can be limited plus the hygiene issue stopped me from going.
I have to say though, I would have ask to do BBFS with some of my favorite in past, but somehow I never did in the past even bother to think about it. I propably will in future if I find someone worth a try.
If I get STD, I be the first on this board nagging LOL LOL!
However, with BBBJ, DATY and all other filthy activities, never caught anything yet in my over 21 years or more of mongering experience and about 9 years of that in German FKK. Let hope I go healthy all the way during my mongering life. If I become martyr of mongering life. , then. Gentlemen, it was worth a ride to be a monger rider around the globe LOL LOL! It was worth every tute, every minute, every sex.
Once a old monger told me on this forum and I took that a life lesson below.
Every dollar not spent on beautiful tute is a waste of money and waste of life.
So knowing above lesson, I strive to spend my free time and money on many beautiful tute till I die, I began mongering at about age 17 or 18, I am 38 this year, so hopefully I got at least 32 years more to fuck LOL! Or more LOL.
It was a helluva ride, and it will be helluva ride to be global monger rider LOL!
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[QUOTE=TransAtlantic;2165784]Bacterial STDs are treatable with no lasting effects. It's like catching a food poisoning or other bacterial infection but just go on several weeks of doxocycline to clean up. If a established member who know other members in real-life or perhaps go on monger trips together and did catch something that is not curable, I suspect it won't be as openly advertised.
My point to Mr. Ho is just because it is not reported does not mean he can interpret it as no one on this board caught a life-changing STD from BBFS.[/QUOTE]Right, so I ask you brave ones out of all mongers there, those who got std please speak up and share your ouch experience and repent or not repent on this forum. Anyone?
To begin with, I got no std, but I cut my dick several years ago during FKK as they sucked me too much, then it got repetition cut like boxer getting cut during fight. It took like a year till it get fixed fully, now it came back strong as rocky balboa, I can get sucked all day long and it is ok now.
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[QUOTE=Bitumen;2165686]The implication of what you have described means it's safer for working girls to bare back an Ottoman since they will be circumcised. Maybe this helps with conversion or why the girls like a relationship with an Ottoman. Just a suggestion.[/QUOTE]In reality, according to the WHO and CDC, three randomized trials showed, circumcision does show to be 60% protective against HIV for the man. However once the man gets it, the % risk of him transmitting the HIV to a female is more or less the same if circumcised or not. So if the WG is a book nerd then this fact won't increase her chance to bb an Ottoman compared to non circumcised men.
[QUOTE=XXL;2165713]Let's say no to sexual mutilations!
Even if it's only males being mutilated and not "poor lill'girls", sexual mutilations are barbaric. Regarless of gender.[/QUOTE]Circumcision can be an interesting ethical topic. But from a scientific point it shows to have more pros than cons, then it's worth investigating isn't it and to me it's fine if the male consents. But mass-neonate circumcision I do understand where you are coming from.
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Traffic ticket
In my past trip in January, I got flashed for speeding. I got an administration fee and letter from Hertz, but did not get the actual ticket from the authorities. I asked Hertz about it, they sent me a copy of the notice they got from authorities yet; it is a small amount of fine (I think like 10 Euros) for speeding less than 10 km / h in an 80 km zone. They told me to wait for the ticket in the mail. Again, I have not received the ticket yet, and I really want to pay the fine to prevent any remote possible problems in the future for renting cars, etc. Any ideas how to approach this? Please don't tell me you have got a ticket too and teared it up, or ignored it, etc. I need practical advice on how to find out the ways I can pay it and don't want to let it sit there in my records.
Thanks!