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[QUOTE=PayForIt;2168655] I like the sound of the Hammam massage in Mondial. [/QUOTE]Hammamdulillah P48! I do 3 hammams a week. And it gets pretty hot and heavy in there! One advantage is that I don't need to bother to shower in the morning any more. Another is that girls don't like to bring condoms into a wet room.
Here in FKK Beyond.
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[QUOTE=VitoCorleone;2168775]I generally travel solo & I like checking out the talent during recovery time. If you're expecting excitement like the "turn down for what" video then maybe samya is the best club for recovery entertainment.[/QUOTE]True, samya is nice. The relax room has the best beds also for a nap. Problem is just that you may even sleep better in those than in your hotel bed, so you can oversleep the nap. But that's a good thing I suppose.
The bad thing with Samya is that sometimes the place has a bad smell. I don't know if it is sweat or what, but the entire club smells bad sometimes. Another downside is that most girls there in general are not as sexy as in some other clubs. And the lineup can be a bit shaky. I have been there 7 or 8 times now, and I only have like 2-3 girls I really want to repeat with, and that feels a bit low. And Irene (ex Oceans who later went to Wellcum) who I was also considering also has left apparently. There are too many 6's and 7's at Samya. Or maybe lower 8's. So if like me, you are very choosy on girls, it can be tricky to hit your favourites on a busy night. And that can lead to a little boring day. One or two pretty girls I have met there once, I also did not see again later. So it looses top girls for some reason, even though the place is probably the highest earning club in nrw based on a rough visitor count by yours truly.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2168770]Problem is, GT girls are opposite of bein. At least 95%. LOL.[/QUOTE]For me GT is too much of battle ground where more guys than girls, so I use recovery to seek the next session girl to walk in.
It is hard club to catch girl that you want, so one need to be alert.
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[QUOTE=MrHo;2169112]For me GT is too much of battle ground where more guys than girls, so I use recovery to seek the next session girl to walk in.
It is hard club to catch girl that you want, so one need to be alert.[/QUOTE]Spot on. The line up is better than clubs like Samya, YY, LR, or Oceans but the effort it takes to secure a top girl I've never been with gives me anxiety. I found that the best thing for me to do is to knock out one room early so I'm not panicked when it's 6 pm, the club is busy, and I can't find a girl.
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[QUOTE=SamsonMonger;2169770]Spot on. The line up is better than clubs like Samya, YY, LR, or Oceans but the effort it takes to secure a top girl I've never been with gives me anxiety. I found that the best thing for me to do is to knock out one room early so I'm not panicked when it's 6 pm, the club is busy, and I can't find a girl.[/QUOTE]And top girls often only go with regular, but this I can get around with bit of talking.
Basically top girls are avoiding 50 euro 30 min session.
However, there is no relaxing at gt when it comes to catching top girls during peak time or weekend. This I miss bigger club where you can take your time and girls are just there.
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Why?
OK, we all agreed here before that professional mongering is way better from sexual and sex life stand point and cheaper than marriage or having girlfriend.
But why? I mean why these girls always have to dine out, travelling all the time, shopping, buying shit without thinking etc. I mean I wonder where the difference in behavior comes from? Is that because women especially younger ones are more irrational emotional being and we men are more rational planning being? I mean women tend to lead reckless life financially, this lead to conclusion that mongering is cheaper right? Plus monger never have depreciation by age as we can choose girls and change to our choice.
And I actually think younger women are more stable mentally than older ones that are after around age 30, why is that?
Maybe because so many failed relationships due to her fucking around makes her miserable over the years as she blames it all on men and life and this begin to kicks into her personality and even appearance of women around late 20's and after 30 years old for sure.
Just random thought of morning here LOL, but this is true LOL.
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[QUOTE=MrHo;2169922]OK, we all agreed here before that professional mongering is way better from sexual and sex life stand point and cheaper than marriage or having girlfriend.[/QUOTE]No, I don't think we all do. It's a hobby and I prefer to leave it at that rather than committing my entire life to it. Some interactions this past trip led me to ponder some things and I will eventually write up my thoughts about how I came to the conclusion that being a Pro in this hobby is something I want to step back from as I found that the guys who are enjoying it the most are the semi-pro guys. From what I've seen, most of the pros have huge social deficiencies. Worse, being over 50 without true companionship and visiting clubs every single weekend to buy an illusion sounds like a pathetic existence if you ask me. I'm young, single, and have disposable income so I enjoy it now, but in the name of Jesus, if I'm doing this on a weekly basis when I'm single and 50, just shoot me and donate my wealth and possessions to charity.
Is it cheaper? If you're with a gold digger or a failed marriage, perhaps. But in western societies, dual income households have become the norm so the expenses are becoming more and more equally shared. I'm in the 30-40 age range and plenty of women in my generation are earning 6 figure incomes. Mortgages, car payments, child costs, etc are split and paid from a combined household fund.
[QUOTE=MrHo;2169922]But why? I mean why these girls always have to dine out, travelling all the time, shopping, buying shit without thinking etc. I mean I wonder where the difference in behavior comes from? Is that because women especially younger ones are more irrational emotional being and we men are more rational planning being? I mean women tend to lead reckless life financially, this lead to conclusion that mongering is cheaper right? Plus monger never have depreciation by age as we can choose girls and change to our choice.
[/QUOTE]You know women come in all varieties right? Not just this stereotype caricature described above. In my experience, the men in my age group may be better at investing but women are generally better at budgeting.
[QUOTE=MrHo;2169922]And I actually think younger women are more stable mentally than older ones that are after around age 30, why is that?
Just random thought of morning here LOL, but this is true LOL.[/QUOTE]They're not and it's not.
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[QUOTE=MrHo;2169922]OK, we all agreed here before that professional mongering is way better from sexual and sex life stand point and cheaper than marriage or having girlfriend.[/QUOTE]We do not all agree. It has been repeated here over and over again like a mantra guys who don't have a GF or wife want to believe in so they don't feel like a loser who has to buy the illusion that girls 1/2 or 1/3 their age like to have sex and spend time with them because they can't get a woman in real life. Takedown's thoughts are worth a second read.
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[QUOTE=Takedown;2169974]No, I don't think we all do. It's a hobby and I prefer to leave it at that rather than committing my entire life to it. Some interactions this past trip led me to ponder some things and I will eventually write up my thoughts about how I came to the conclusion that being a Pro in this hobby is something I want to step back from as I found that the guys who are enjoying it the most are the semi-pro guys. From what I've seen, most of the pros have huge social deficiencies. Worse, being over 50 without true companionship and visiting clubs every single weekend to buy an illusion sounds like a pathetic existence if you ask me. I'm young, single, and have disposable income so I enjoy it now, but in the name of Jesus, if I'm doing this on a weekly basis when I'm single and 50, just shoot me and donate my wealth and possessions to charity.
Is it cheaper? If you're with a gold digger or a failed marriage, perhaps. But in western societies, dual income households have become the norm so the expenses are becoming more and more equally shared. I'm in the 30-40 age range and plenty of women in my generation are earning 6 figure incomes. Mortgages, car payments, child costs, etc are split and paid from a combined household fund..[/QUOTE]I be waiting for your conclusive thought then. But in name of jesus you wrote LOL.
Man, don't do it for name of Jesus, it is insulting man LOL.
I do it in name of lust and to live sex lives I dreamed when I was a young, well I began this when I was 17 or 18, so LOL.
I used to do both and in one way I do both still, but I am leaning heavily toward pro monger as it is more efficient.
Yes girls comes in all forms, but I only fuck stunners and beautiful girls and I get normal beautiful girls, but these girls are expensive and it is not like they charge me money, the lifestyle to get them is costing me too much, like cars, wining and dining and all the trips I do with them, so I began to lean more toward professional mongering.
For me, the game changer was that, when prostitution industry began to provide the girls that are young around 20 and they are real stunners, kinda girls I try to get, then this was the game changer for me to turn more toward pro monger.
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Companionship.
[QUOTE=Takedown;2169974]Worse, being over 50 without true companionship and visiting clubs every single weekend to buy an illusion sounds like a pathetic existence if you ask me.[/QUOTE]A lot of younger guys think like this. It's understandable, especially given all of the societal "indoctrination" that begins the day you are born. Just remember this. "Companionship" and "marriage" are not one and the same thing. You can have companionship without marriage. Even more, you can have a marriage without true companionship! Do what works for you. But remember that. And be careful! Don't let any women score a "takedown" on you, all in the name of love. Protect yourself, including both your own heart as well as any assets you might acquire in life along the way.
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[QUOTE=MrHo;2169922]OK, we all agreed here before that professional mongering is way better from sexual and sex life stand point and cheaper than marriage......
Just random thought of morning here LOL, but this is true LOL.[/QUOTE]If Mr. Ho types up the same thing a thousand times and Mr. Cane dutifully agrees with him, that does not make "we all agreed".
A few dozen posters even bother to write here regularly, and other than you two, only a couple even chimed on this topic occasionally. Most men tune out this tiresome repeated advice on what to do with their life from a couple of anonymous guys who visit German brotels a few times a year.
But it is good to see you propose the theory, claim everyone agrees with you, and conclude it with "it is true".
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Unlike the WGs you are with, you get your real GFs' (or wives') exclusive service (they don't fuck other men), their attention and love, which is very important to many men because in deep inside of us we all want to be loved and attended. This is fundamental difference between WGs and GFs (or wives). But the downside of having sturdy GFs or wives is that you basically ruin your sex life with different and various sex partners, which is also important for men biologically and from evolutionary point of view. So the question is how to manage these two conflicting interests.
I think that the best way to do it is to have GFs or wives in real life who love you while you monger in FKK clubs. This is achievable for many international mongers. For locals living in Germany or in neighboring countries without GFs or wives in real life, another option is to find FKK's GFs who love you or at least give you their strong affection and attention which make you feel that you are loved, while you monger in FKK clubs.
If you are married or have sturdy GFs, but I don't think they love you or give you enough affection and attention, I think that you are better off without them in your life, assumed that you don't have other commitments like children and so on.
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[QUOTE=RogueNation;2170052]We do not all agree. It has been repeated here over and over again like a mantra guys who don't have a GF or wife want to believe in so they don't feel like a loser who has to buy the illusion that girls 1/2 or 1/3 their age like to have sex and spend time with them because they can't get a woman in real life. Takedown's thoughts are worth a second read.[/QUOTE]What is missing in the discussion is what that woman in real life looks like. What she will look like 10 years from now is easy to predict because very few women are still beddable 10 years on.
Speaking for myself I don't buy the illusion girls like to have sex with me. I buy bodily animal contact. I hate kissing. I like the woman to have a pissy-sweaty smell about her. I like it when she fakes in a grossly exagerated manner. I get a kick out of being confronted with female animal camouflage. I think the GF illusion is something some American mongers are after.
Relinquishing long-term relationships in favour of professional mongering is a necessity dictated not only by women's hypergamous instincts and the horrendous gender bias in family courts, but also by women's ridiculously short shelf-life after legal age.
Whatever you think about luuv, girl-friendliness and "real" feelings, mark my words: very few hot women are worth having sex with 10 years on.
Even if she doesn't take you to the cleaners in the meantime, what will you do when your (common law) wive has downgraded from an 8 to a 5? What will you tell her? Will you tell her "the way you look now I wouldn't want you as a girl-friend again"? You won't tell her anything, you will think "does she know what I think of her?". That's absolute hell. Hell for the rest of your life. Decades of hell for the sake of a few years' girl-friend happiness.
A woman after legal age in the West lasts about as long as a new car. Imagine you car is old and you're not even allowed to get rid of it to buy a new one.
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Can any of the "pro mongers" tell me how to get in the game? How do you guys get paid for fucking prostitutes? I have been with many, many girls in the clubs, but have never managed to get paid to do so.
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Someone (The Cane I think) said how much to spend in the club is a very subjective and personal decision (I fully agree with him). Which club to go, which girls to choose, how much to spend, are all highly personal. So, I am amazed that some people think even more complex topics like "should you be married / have GFs / monger semi professionally / professionally" and so on can be generalized as if one formula fits all.
If you want to share "this is what I am doing and x and y worked for me but z did not", that is fine and encouraged -- but it is highly arrogant and presumptuous to think one's personal likes and experiences should be the guide posts for anyone else except self.