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Hello friends,
FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THE PURPOSE FOR ME WRITING THIS POST IS FOR NO REASON OTHER THAN TO FIND OUT WHAT YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT WHAT I AM ABOUT TO SAY ... I KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO READ AND CONTRIBUTE TO THIS SITE WHO HAVE SEEN, EXPERIENCED, AND LIVED A LOT MORE THAN ME!
IN THE 30 YEARS THAT I HAVE ROAMED THIS EARTH, I ONLY KNOW ONE THING FOR CERTAIN, AND THAT TRUTH IS I LOVE WOMEN! I ALWAYS HAVE, AND ALWAYS WILL!!!!!!!
I, WITHOUT A DOUBT, WILL DEFINITELY END UP LIKE MY GRANDFATHER, EYEING OFF HIS GRANDSON'S NEW GIRLFRIEND THINKING, "I WOULDN'T MIND A SHOT AT THAT!”
Ok then, ... I've been reading these pages for a little while now, been hobbying for years, and recently have started contributing a few thoughts, experiences and photos (oh yere Jackson, did you receive my photos from Brasil???) to this site.
Bit of background on me (in case anyone cares), I am Australian and have travelled to the States, Germany, France, Holland, Spain, Bali, South Africa and spent most of last year in Brasil and Argentina. Have mongered hard... and have loved it!
In one week I will start another 9 months of travel heading to Thailand, Peru and Columbia...... (really looking forward to Columbia - heard the girls are really nice, as well as hot!!!!!!!!!)
... Anyway, what got me thinking started a couple of weeks ago, when I read a few posts from members from this board (not naming names) touching on the subject of "dating / settling down / marriage", to ladies from other countries, instead of simply mongering and getting a different chick every night (which I have done, for extended periods of time, and loved).
I also have read A LOT of reports by members who live in the States (where I too have lived for about a year), discussing how, generally speaking, they would never like to settle down / get married to / or date "these types of women"...In case you were wondering Australian women (in particular women from Sydney), are exactly the type of women that I have heard described in these pages (speaking generally of coarse)... ego driven, self centred, materialistic and basically a nightmare to "approach / have sex with / or get to know" without an incredible amount of hoop jumping, and intense game playing"……. And what I would like to add, through my experience, is that a lot of these “ladies – using that term lightly” are simply LOOKING FOR BRAD PITT OR DAVID BECKHAM (and then in the same breathe putting sh*t on men for concentrating purely on “externals").
Don't get me wrong, I can pull these girls (well some of them). In the past I played the game ... But I guess the truth of the matter is I am not willing to play their games no more!!!!!!! Over it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
... Over the years I have met, dated, and considered settling down / marrying a couple of these girls, but in the end, always ended up "back-dooring it"... Perhaps it is just me (unable to commit, grass is greener, immature etc, etc), or maybe I'm smart (a lot of my friends are married, and I don't envy the kind of life they have – but what do I know???? Maybe they are extremely happy. I'm not them. I'm just on the outside looking in - maybe I AM THE LOSER??????).
Anyway, after my experiences (particularly of last year being in Argentina and Brasil) l, and reading these pages (which I must admit I thoroughly enjoy, e.g people's experiences, opinions, travels, and the girls, oh the girls), I have started thinking about a few things.
Last year, time and time again, I met some amazing, beautiful women (both pro's and non pro's and sometimes semi-pro's), that I shared fantastic experiences with (both sexual and non sexual)... cool chicks that I could hang out with, do things and be myself with effortless ease! Me and my mate literally “tore the place up for months).
Since coming back to Australia, I have barely spent anytime with any girls here at all (a few hookers and a couple of Sydney chicks who gave me the sh*ts so I promptly said "GO AWAY”)... All I have done is worked to gather $$$ to leave again.
So anyway, back to the point of my thoughts, I know I am probably not alone with wanting to meet and experience (in every way) different girls from around the world, but how long can this be done for??? If I had 10 million bucks I may not be asking myself this question, or maybe I still would?
Should I continue to keep mongering, living for the excitement of "my next trip"??? (spending my $, returning to Australia, making $, packing up my stuff and leaving again etc, etc)... Or maybe Australia is the problem (beautiful country, but on the whole, the people here are.... well.... not to friendly, in particular the women)... Or should I try to geographically relocate to another country I really like, where the people (yes, including the women), are cool??? Or should I meet a cool girl and take her back to Australia???
Yes, I know this is a complicated question (and maybe been asked by some out there at some point), and that's why I would love other's to share your EXPERIENCES & to a lesser degree your OPINIONS on this topic.
Has anyone out there in WSG land relocated to another country for a long period of time, met a girl (or girls) and had it work out all good? ...Or met a really cool girl overseas and took them back to your home country only to discover that they moulded themselves into exactly the type of woman you were trying to escape? ... Been dumped by your "cool chick from another country" for a better-looking bloke with more loot, or simply residency into that country? ... Or perhaps took them home and lived "happily ever after" (O.K., shut up ... you know what I mean!)
... I guess a lot of you guys will simply state "It depend on the kind of girl you are with?” raising more questions like, "does the girl really like you for you, are just the illusion (or reality) of a better life, in another place?”... (this is starting to sound a bit like Dr Phil isn't it!)
And what about pros???? Are they long-term "girlfriend etc" material????
... Who knows, maybe I am going in circles with this? ... I know this is a websites for blokes to talk and discuss SEX, ON A GLOBAL LEVEL, and maybe this post is becoming. …UMMM…a little deep???
Or perhaps I am just suffering from withdrawals (its been 3 months in OZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Anyway, would love to hear your thoughts!
Your man from "down under" - Rex Kramer!!!!
P.S THE THOUGHT OF ONLY HAVING SEX WITH ONE WOMAN, AND ONE WOMAN ONLY SCARES THE ABSOLUTE SH*T OUTTA ME - AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe I was born, and will die a monger!
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to Rex.
i hear ya. you are wondering if you should settle down and find a good girl to have a long term relationship... may be getting married....
remember, falling in love is very different from getting into relationship. heaven and earth difference. the best analogy is like the desire to make lots of money verus actually working hard to make money. totally different deal.
in your case, i think you are really confused and need to take a cold shower and consider the following.
1. the girls you met in brasil/argentina whom you defined as pro and semi pro are actually ALL PRO. they are good for having fun, dole out some cash, have a few hours of passion but that's all. having relationship? definitively, definitely NO Nada e Nunca. i have known so many gringo guys from all over western europe, USA, Canada who fell in love and married semi pro and pro. NONE, repeat, NONE turned out to have good relations. these girls are the best actresses you ever find and don't think otherwise. remember, irrespective of all the discussions about how these "good girls" forced by economic circumstances to go pro and they have good heart. i don't doubt they have good heart but when you get into long term relationship, you are dealing with ATTITUDE, MOTIVATION not HEART. case in point, there are millions of poor young girls in brasil/argentina however, i doubt there are millions of Pro there. i have nothing against pros and i love them too. however, the fact that there are 10X more poor girls who did not turn pro despite proverty tells you something. btw, don't fool yourself by thinking the "semi-pro" concept. you are either IN THIS or OUT OF this, Duyba (GW Bush) country here. there is no semi pro. so, repeat, go have fun, spend the cash.
2. what about totally non pro girls? yes, you can find those girls, i presume you speak fluent spanish and portugese and you will have no problem picking up truly good girls who are totally non pro. in this context, i would say, it has less to do with the girls but more to do with you. establishing a long term relations requires lots of maturity, focus and DEDICATION. are you ready to go into relationship? possibly get married and support a family? i am referring to mathematics here. how much are you making? what is the cost of having a relationship? a family? if the girl is not of professional standing (for Professional, i mean career as lawyer, accoutant, computer engineer) who makes good money, you probably have to support her or sponsor her (if she moves to Australia or US with you). that's a lot of responsibility. have you run a cost/benefit analysis?
Rex, you know what, i don't think you will listen to me. i have witnessed so many guys like you who will go into this "relationship" thing with a pro or semi pro no matter what. so, good luck if you choose that path.... you will need lots of luck....:)
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Rex Kramer,
I just read your post. Take what I have to say (just like the other posts) with a grain of salt. I've been hobbying fairly hard for the past 4 or 5 years. The first couple of years the USA then the past two years primarily South America (Brazil and Buenos Aires). Have expanded to Europe, Mexico, Central America and other countries now like Colombia.
I think Johan gives some good advice but I would disagree that it's totally impossible to meet nice girls that are working girls. I think all of us would agree though that they aren't the best girls to settle down with. No matter what any guy says we all have a double standard when it comes to sex. If girls sleep with lots of guys somehow that makes them bad. If we do it somehow it makes us studs. I don't agree with that stereotype. Still, if you get involved with these girls you will always think about it in the back of your mind. It takes someone VERY strong emotionally to deal with the girl's past.
You are a young guy and you have a lot of years ahead of you. You sound well traveled so I'm sure you've seen and been through a lot. There is nothing better than traveling and seeing the world. I think if you go out looking for love it can be a recipe for disaster. The thing you have to consider is it's tough enough to make a normal relationship work these days. One where you don't have to worry or think about all the issues of a girl working. The divorce rate in some areas is 7 out of 10. Imagine factoring in all the stresses of language barriers, cultural differences, age differences, educational backgrounds and it probably skyrockets.
Marriage is a LOT of work. You sound a little like what I'm going through. I absolutely LOVE girls. I love everything about them. However, I think about some of great girls I have passed aside always thinking the next better thing will come along. Now I'm starting to think what if she doesn't come.
It's not impossible to make things work with a girl you meet this way but it's sure tough. I've met hundreds of girls. I only wanted a relationship with one girl. I dated her almost a year. Luckily she had a tourist visa so I could fly her in to my house several times for month long stints. It really was a good relationship although we had some differences. The main reason I broke up was not because of her past. It was because I remembered how it was when I was married before. I was in a perfect marriage and I still cheated.
My advice is if you are serious, spend significant amounts of time with a girl you meet. Meet her family. Meet her friends. Stay with her in her place. See what her life is like. It's easy to THINK you "fell in love" after a little while but true love takes time. Love is easy when you are on week long or 2 week long trips to the girls city. What about when you're sharing the medicine cabinet with her? What about when you find out her bad habits and she finds out your bad habits? Financial burdens of helping her out and possibly her family too. Remember that many girls are working this type of job because they support their families and their own kids.
Think to yourself... if this girl gets sick are you willing to take the time and quite possibly lots of money to be responsible for her? In Europe or the USA many young girls that we date are fairly self- sufficient. If they aren't, they have family or friends to fall back on in difficult times. It's not the case with many of these girls in Central and South America.
Yes, girls in many USA and European cities are what we would call bitches. Keep in mind though these girls in other countries have their own can of worms too. It's quite hard to get to know a girl over a few weekend or weeklong trips. It's funny but sometimes we let our sexual energy get in the way of our thinking. I've had good luck with American girls in the past. I just stopped dating them because I'm not looking for a serious relationship and most seem to be in what I call "nesting mode".
If you're asking if we'd recommend you settle down with a pro. I think most of us would advise against it. Am I saying it's impossible? No. I'm just saying it's really difficult. There are a lot of great girls out there that I met through the 'hobby'. There are soooo many great girls though that are not in the hobby. Spend any significant time in South America and you'll meet them doing everyday things like going to the store, the bank, restaurants, malls, etc.
It's good that you are asking yourself some difficult questions now. It's good to think again and get the thought process going. I've been doing a lot of thinking lately too. None of us are getting any younger. I met a great non-pro girl that I'm kind of starting the beginning stages of a relationship with. Still, I ask myself if I'm capable of a serious committed relationship. I wish you the best of luck.
Remember, love is what's left after lust fades away.......
Saint
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Curious to those who have been to both Columbia and Brazil as to which is better in terms of meeting regular girls? I know I have seen some amazing Columbian women here and I just love the look Brazilian's have but I have heard the regular girls there are hard to meet?
If you have a choice where would you go first? I haven't been to either and was planning a trip soon.
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California Guy,
It's kind of hard to answer that question as the answer depends on a lot of different things. What are you looking for with "regular girls"? Just sex? Relationship? I've been to Brazil 7 times last year and only been to Colombia once so I'm probably not the best person to ask but I'll give my opinion anyway.
To score with the regular girls both places it's essential that you speak their language. You don't have to be fluent but have to communicate enough to communicate. It's almost impossible to pick up a normal girl in both places without being to at least speak a little.
I'd say Colombia is easier to pick up normal girls if you have some game. I got about 5 phone numbers of regular girls walking around ChipiChape mall. In Brazil I've met a few normal girls too. My Portuguese isn't nearly as good as my Spanish but enough to get by. Portuguese is really tough so if you don't already speak Spanish it will be tougher to learn.
Both are good places to go though. If you haven't already started Pimsleur I'd highly recommend it. It's a good audio course. They have 90 lessons for Brazillian Portuguese and 100 lessons for Spanish. Good luck.
Saint
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Saint,
Thanks for the info. I just know a couple Columbian women and they are amazing. I love the dark skin and these girls have great figures as well, more athletic and model types.
At the same time I love the attitude of Brazilian people. The women to me are just gorgeous because again the dark skin and good bodies on some, well the ones South :) I am in California, as you can see by my names, and met a Brazilian girl here a couple years back. Unfortunately I spent little time with her as she had to go back do to finishing school. I know most of the girls that come here are a bit snobby but I have been told this isn't the case with girls down in Brazil. I guess the ones who come to the US have money and by the time they arrive here thee are too many guys hitting on them so their heads get big.
I have some game but I just work a lot and don't have much time to do anything here. Plus as you can see I really prefer those type of women and there just aren't many here or they are taken. I am still in my late 20's and make a decent living as well. I am sure money has some importance but with normal everyday girls I doubt it means everything.
It sounds as if you like Brazil, 7 times :) Have you been to Argentina? I have heard the women their are just as beautiful. Columbia would be great but it definitely worries me a lot so I am not sure about my concerns. If I found a traveling companion or something I would think about it but I would rather go some place I am less concerned about being beaten, robbed, etc...
I will be going to Europe as well this Summer so if you have any favorites maybe send me an IM or just reply, I also posted a message on the Prague and Ukraine boards. I am thinking about going to both, maybe moscow instead of Kiev, but I am not sure if I want to go to Russia. The women in Eastern Europe are beautiful as well but the skin isn't what I prefer, love the tan girls, still I would like to have fun. I guess Germany has a good mix of girls as well and I only hear good things about it.
Okay well any sites for Brazilian or Argentinian women? Maybe your favorite spots as well? Plus check my Europe posts and maybe you can give some imput their.
Thanks!
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California Guy,
Have I been to Argentina?? Ha, ha. That's funny. Yes, I've been there over a dozen times in two years. Go to the Buenos Aires section. It's the most active section on WSG. My first report was back in late April 2002. You can read it in the archives.
You are right about the Brazillians already here. In fact, once most sweet girls hit the US border the girls network kicks in and the girls quickly find out what they can get and they change. I'm not saying all of them but the majority of them. Do you know who the most powerful group is in the USA? Nope. Not lawyers, doctors, politicians. It's a strikingly beautiful woman. They can get anything they want if they are smart about it.
I'm not going to list any sites for BA. Go to that BA section. There is more information on Buenos Aires than any other city. It's still my favorite city. Has everything.
As far as Europe, I've hit Europe about 6 times in the past 6 months. I think you might like Lugano, Switzerland. Go back and read my reports. The best of both worlds. I met lots of Brasileras there! Plus the city is beautiful. I'm hitting Amsterdam/Paris/Prague in May for two weeks so that will be yet another European adventure.
Colombia had the best looking girls overall in the normal non P2P scene. Not in the P2P scene though. Brazil and Argentina have much hotter girls in the hobby overall but the average girl walking around on the street in Colombia is more attractive. Good luck and let us know how it goes.
Saint
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Saint,
Hey thanks again. I will check your messages and see what is going on. I'm definitely hitting up Prague as well this year but not until Fall. I am not sure but maybe Kiev or Moscow because I have heard they are good, well at least Kiev. Of course that was from a local so I am not sure how much to believe? I know everyone who has been to prague has only good things to say, at least about the city itself. To me I don't mind if the women are too expensive or not that attractive in a place like that because I will just enjoy the scenery, though a couple hotties helps :)
No doubt the South American section is my next trip and the women to me are just the best looking. Columbia scares me so I will probably just head down south and see what Brazil and Argentina has to offer, plus I have friends from both locations so I can probably get hooked up. Actually I know a hot girl from Columbia as well but she can't go back, visa, so other than her I would be out of it going their.
Okay well I look forward to your reports and I will post mine as well. Take care and have a good trip.
Cali
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California Guy, FYI the country is called "Colombia".
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Is Colombia safe to go to right now? If it is, which has gives a better experience: Colombia or Cuba? Which is safer/more hassle free? I know in Cuba many speak English. Is this the case in Colombia? I am Canadian, so going to Cuba poses no problems.
And now my main question: where is it easier/cheaper to get laid? I'm still young and attractive, so I might have hopes of getting freebies- where is this more likely?
Sorry about the deluge.
Thanks,
Syl
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Sylvan,
I don't know how soon till you're leaving, but answers to all your questions and more, are right here. Just like it is on the cuban board. It just takes a little diggin, or a lot of diggin, but it's all there.
Don't pass up on the colombian expierence! enjoy....
eric7
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ALL - FARC is out bombing the hell out of different areas of the country (Northwest Colombia (normally safer)). Many dead and many wounded.
This to celebrate the 40 anniversary of their start of the "war."
Please see the link below for the CNN story:
http://us.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/americas/05/23/colombia.attack.ap/index.html
Good Luck and please be safe. Gringos are easy to spot and although that might help you with the ladies, it also makes you an easy target for the FARC.
$Bill
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Here is some more info on the attacks:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/americas/05/24/colombia.40.years.ap/index.html
Please be safe!
$Bill
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For a long time now I have been reading about Colombia and how the mongering experience there is exceptional. Problem is...I have also read about the safety concerns that are apparently a part of daily life.
Recently, I've read some brief comments on the board that indicate that things may have turned around a bit as far as safety compared to past years, but there is nothing written on the boards that is very definitive on the subject.
I am planning a trip to Costa Rica for July 1st, but the lure of Colombia keeps coming back to haunt me. The recent posts concerning Costa Rica and the level of experiences there have me wondering if I wouldn't be just as happy in Monterrey, Mexico, where I visit quite frequently. Apparently the quality has suffered in Costa Rica, and frankly, it has me somewhat concerned that I will be wasting my money. I know there are also other venues that offer great experiences...BA, Brazil, etc...but, I am limited on the amount of flight hours and total time that I have to devote to my hobby. If that were not the case, I would merely hop on a plane to Bangkok again and be done with it. Of course, the latin experience is not something you can obtain in SE Asia, and I dearly love latina women. So.............
I have studied the board on Colombia, and the GFE and chica quality seems to be much better in Colombia than in Costa Rica. I would sincerely love to visit Colombia, but I am scared shitless! If it weren't for the safety concerns, I would go there instead of Costa Rica without hesitation. It is not too much farther away than Costa Rica, and it seem doable.
So, does anybody really know what the safety situation is at the present time? Are the statistics in my favor. I know you can't extend any guarantees, but will I be safe if I choose to visit Colombia (ie: kiddnappings, bombs, official harrassement over drug running, crime, and the list goes on and on? You guys have scared me shitless!!!!
Furthermore, which of the cities offers the best hunting ground in terms of GFE's, price, and level of effort required to find the GFE. I am looking for the perfect venue in Colombia, the least expensive cost for chicas, the highest quality available, and the perfect GFE experience. I'm not asking too much am I (HAHAHAHA!!!!) ;-) I'm wondering which of the mongering destinations in Colombia offers the closest to an experience that might be typically had in Thailand. But I realize there is really probably nowhere that can compete with the experiences I've had in Pattaya. Never-the-less, I would like to know which mongering venue in Colombia comes the closest to that level of performance.
I know these questions can be researched on the board, and I have thoroughly looked at the postings on the board prior to asking these questions. But, the reports seem to be relatively outdated. That is, due to the level of instability, the posts are not consistent about the level of experience you might encounter if you visit Colombia now, today. I guess it's because of the relative instability of Colombia, that there is really nothing presently on the board that would indicate that it is any safer now to visit than it was a couple of years ago...and, a couple of years ago, it was considered pretty dangerous for a US citizen to visit Colombia.
I am looking for comments from all you who visit Colombia on a regular basis; all of you seasoned and experienced Colombia mongers. I need to know what you think. If you believe I should go for it, then I really want to be convinced, but only if it is "relatively" safe to visit. Please tell me like it is...Thanks in advance.
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Hi There,
Well this would be my first official post, I've only just recently stumbled upon this website much to my disapointment. I'm plannin a lonewolf trip through to the Americas especially Colombia for the xmas holidays. I'll hire a bike and see if I can motor my way too as much places as possible to find the cheapest and tastiest latina snatch! LOL, in a record time of 2 weeks I'm off to Bulgaria soon. Apparently its quite a good place for pickin up some gyspsian hardbodies thought a bit of that would dedinitely wet me appetite.
I couldnt help add, that I think this website is a most informative site and their are some very seasoned and helpful mongers out there, taking the time to share their knowlege with us.
Cheers,
Any way if someone is interested in trip to Colombia during Xmas period give us a shout see if we can sort someting out.
Laters
Dusty
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