Dating with chicas on internet
This is the general report of my trip to Colombia which will focus on my meetings with chicas contacted on internet, whereas the other posted in the Bogota and Cartagena section will focus on the mongering aspects.
My main objective was to date a range of Colombian girls in order to start a relationship leading to marriage. My experience has been very similar to Madrugada's one in report #962 which I recommend (everything is true, such as the mobile phone issue and the fact that they do not introduce themselves when they give a phone call, so it can be tricky). This was my second trip to Colombia, although I did not do the first one with a similar intention, however I organized one in Thailand which was partially unsuccessful and decided to build on that experience.
1) Practicalities
A) Accommodation: As often mentioned in this forum, Suites Real 85 in Bogota is a good location ([url]www.suitesreal.com/85[/url]). It is a reasonably priced hotel. Rooms have kitchenette. Internet access is free. Service excellent. Safe. Close to the Zona T, Andino Plaza and its nearby restaurants, the Parque de la 93 (20 minutes if you walk, so it is still better to take a cab at night) and a 24 hours open supermarket (where you can buy alcoholic beverage). Unfortunately, far from the more cultural part of the city (La Candeleria) where the nice museum of the Banca de la Republica is located (with the Botero and Gold museums) or entertainment complex such as Mundo Aventura.
I found the restaurant in the Andino area quite expensive (I spent 50 000 pesos for a churascos and a mojito in Dixies), but the food was really good.
In Cartagena, I organized my trip too late to find an available apartment in these condos so I had to stay at the Charlotte. Good location between the old city and the Laguito and excellent service. Wi-fi available in he lobby but no computer.
B) Transportation: taxi is rather cheap, it is better to call for example Taxi Express at 4111111 in Bogota rather than hailing a cab on the street (on the contrary, in Cartagena, there is no need to do that). Their system is automated (select 1 three times), they give you the plate of the vehicle and you are supposed to give a security code to the driver indicated at the end of the message (but if you do not speak spanish they won't make is a problem). Couldn't be more safe. At the airport go to the taxi booth so that they will indicate the fare. Do not use an unofficial one, it will be more expensive.
I had also used the Transmilenio last year, but I always found it difficult to understand the system even though I speak spanish.
C) Money issues: Most banks will not accept traveler cheques nor American Express for cash withdrawal (except Bancolombia). Withdrawals can be limited to 300, 000 pesos, at best 500, 000 which is about one third of what you could normally do in Europe or North America with a basic Visa international card. I was told you can do a second withdrawal just after, but I never tried. So, unless you have a Visa, bring some cash with you, US dollars because most banks, in the Andino center at least, will not change other currencies. Therefore, if you come with euros or canadian dollars, it is advised to change at the airport (which probably does not offer the best rate, but I have not been able to compare).
D) Security: a lot has been said by other forumers on this issue. I consider the area near Andino in Bogota as reasonably safe. Until midnight it is quite crowded. Just exercise basic precaution such as not leaving your drink unattended, carrying a small amount of money, etc. There are some good advice in the British or Canadian Foreign affairs official websites. Have a look at them but they tend to overestimate the risk. In January, Cartagena was so crowded that I hardly see how any serious issue could happen, except maybe with pickpockets, unless you go to the poorest area of the city which no normal human being will do!
2) The chicas
A) The selection: I remember someone in this forum recommended hi5.com to meet some chicas. I was much less successful with this one than [url]www.cybercupido.com[/url]. For a relatively cheap 10 USD for a monthly subscription, I contacted over a hundred of chicas and got an amazing rate of replies compared to other similar websites (one third maybe). After a 3-month selection process (which I will not describe here, but you can PM me if you are interested), I ended up with a total of 5 meetings.
The beauty of the Colombian girls is often exaggerated. Like in many countries, there is only a small proportion of stunning ladies (9 or 10). Too many pregnancies have fade the beauty of the mothers or even those who had babies during their teenage time. Overweight is also common.
That being said, what makes Colombian girls particularly attractive in general is their mixed ethnic background (for the majority at least), their warm behavior and uncomplicated attitude, for example re: plastic surgery. Furthermore, because the birth rate has been relatively high two decades ago (surely, the child per mother rate is probably now closer to any other developed country), Colombia has lots of women in the 20-30 year's old range, which is the one of interest for us. As a consequence, the number of stunning beauties per square mile is high in absolute- although not necessarily in relative terms.
That in mind, you also have to take your own "attractiveness potential" into account which includes lots of factors. Considering myself as a 6 or maybe a 7, my target was a 8 rather than a 9 or 10.
B) Jessica: The first 20 year's old chica was one whose picture had received one of the best success rate in Cybercupido (I will indicate her to you if you PM me). But overall, it has been a huge disappointment. Of course, we had chatted quite a lot on Messenger before I traveled, but she was not as nice in person as on webcam (a weak 7, her main asset being a magnificent pair of natural breasts). But above all, she has revealed herself to be not only uneducated (this I knew) but to be totally uninterested in improving her knowledge in whatever field I tried to interest her, even about her own country. When we visited the Gold museum, she was less interested than most of the kids during the guided tour. I came to he conclusion that she would be totally unable to learn English correctly and therefore could not adapt to a foreign country. Also she begged me on few occasions for "presents", which I did respond positively twice without receiving a "thank you". I am sure she thinks that since I am rich (I am not really, but I am for her standard), this small sacrifice did not deserve any thanks.
These 5 days with her would have been a waste of time if I had not taken the opportunity to visit the city by and large and did some "side activities" if you see what I mean.
C) Maria-Elena: Therefore, I had a lot of expectation with my second date, in Cartagena.
From Canada, I had to buy my ticket with Copa Airlines because Avianca overcharges ticket paid for foreign residents. The funny thing is that the flight is operated by Aero Republica, which charges also more foreign cards than national ones. Keep this in mind when you buy your ticket from abroad.
Maria-Elena is 30 year's old lady from Baranquilla, never married, no child, with a decent work in an American company, and a decent level in English. Also very smart (she taught me a lot about he local music, she like to read newspapers and is well informed about the international news in general. She is not a heavy TV watcher and always chose old movies programmes). Clearly, she was looking for a foreign soulmate for "cultural reasons" she admitted, because she just does not like the generally unfaithful Colombians. Really pretty (a solid 8) and extremely caring. Did not have a lot experience with boyfriends and was generally disappointed with them. The other good news was that she had a surgery and her silhouette is curvier than I had expected. When I saw her, it was a blast. Very well proportioned, not too big because her frame is slim, but enough to stand firm in the hand, the surgeon chose the biggest size than would fit to her and make her look still natural, I. E. 300g for each implants. The scar was quite apparent but she had the surgery just 3 months ago so it should look better with the time. Not the best job I have ever seen, but a good job (see attached pic).
So you now understand that I could check it myself. She was uncomplicated, we kissed the second day and had sex the following morning. I made her very horny and she only refrained me at the beginning because she was a little bit shy and anxious about me playing with her tits, since it was the first time ever since her surgery. She is a great kisser and a good lover.
She had to come back to Valledupar were she works and we agreed to see us on the following week end either in Bogota or where she was staying. We had a great time in Bogota because she became less shy and I realized how educated she was while we were talking about politics.
The other face of the coin is. Money issue. I quickly jumped into the subject of what it is to live abroad with a guy like me, that she could not work easily abroad, and she quickly raised the issue of 'who is going to support my mother if I have to resign from my position in Colombia? '. Because she is the eldest of the family and is not married, she supports her mother but also paid for the education of her sister. This is a common problem with middle income or developing countries. Eventually, you have to balance your motivation and be able to judge her sincerity, while being able to impose some limit. Be aware, be careful! While writing these lines I am not 100% sure of her sincerity, I shortly after she left, I wrote her a message to make things clear. I think sooner or later I will know.
D) The third one was a short encounter with an engineer from Bogotá, a simple lady though, but she never wanted to spend more than a couple of hours with me for the first time. Not very productive therefore. I think she's got a hard body, but she did not revealed much of it. Her face was not super pretty but she is typically the king of unknown mixed background from Colombia that some may like.
E) The fourth date was with an architect, mother of one child, whose best asset was a pair of a 32C natural breast (according to our exchange on Messenger. NB: I am quite sure that the size chart in Colombia differ from the rest of North America because Maria-Elena is 34B but I can guarantee that she has a solid C, so a C must be the equivalent of a D). But she was more interested by friendship than a long term relation. I invited her to a restaurant and the chat was great, she was really uncomplicated. When I talked about my desire as a man for big breasts, she opened her jacket and showed me her assets, of course not entirely as we were in a public place! But enough for me to guess how they're like. Not classy at all but the most spontaneous girl I have ever met in my life. She took my hand like a girlfriend in the cab so I had to tell her no to do that with a western guy because it could be wrongly interpretated.
F) My last date was with a nice 26 year's old mother of two. Although I was spoiled with Maria, I wanted to meet Johanna in person just "to be sure". Johanna is really cute if you consider her two pregnancies. She's got a B cup size breast but it is her firm intention to fix this ASAP, that's a present I would give to her without hesitation as her novio. Therefore, she was an 8 who could easily become a 9. She laughed very much when I told her that and was really uncomplicated. Also she appeared to have an adorable and caring personality whereas Maria had a sort of an attitude which is not my cup of tea (but in the intimacy, she is great). Although I knew Johanna had lost her relatively good job recently, she did not want me to pay my part of the cab when we returned from the movie. Greatly appreciated but declined of course. Her cultural background is simple, but she is intelligent and I believe she could live abroad. The only problem is that her accent is terribly difficult to understand. The last day, she made it impossible for me to meet her. I think she finally concluded that I was not the good guy for me.
Anyway, the more time was passing, the more I was eager to see Maria again. I spent the Friday afternoon buying her some presents, I think that's a sign that I am really found of her, isn't it?
Conclusion: I entirely concur to report #962. Meet at least 3 chicas you have carefully chatted with for 3 to 6 months. Do not expect to have sex easily, it is not necessarily in your interest neither. Behave like a gentleman, they really like to be complimented. Be prepared to pay for everything. Be realistic on your objective, the chica "eager to leave her country ASAP" is a myth if your target is a reasonably well educated and established person. That means also that if you are an average looking man, you cannot have both a stunning AND an educated girl, and I would not recommend trying a chica from the countryside because your conversation will become very limited and you cannot base a long term relation only on sex. Only chose someone graduated from the University and focus on Bogotá. Finally, do not base your travel only on meeting chicas but also on the touristical aspects, otherwise you could end up with the impression of having lost your time and resources.
Good luck!
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Reverse Age Discrimination
[QUOTE=Trendy Andy]When the age difference is no more than 10 years and you are serious in founding a family you should not have big problems (. Of course only when you are from the US. Hahaha.) Who can blame them for not eager to be with a 20. 25 years older guys who treat her like a sex-bunny instead of having kids with a more smart guy and live a more upscaled life than in Colombia? [/QUOTE]I don't know how old you are, Andy, but I'm guessing that you have lived far less than half of your life expectancy. If so, I have some good news for you.
It is only natural that we bring along the biases we have learned in our own culture when we enter another. It can take a long time to realize how others can truly view things differently.
Latinas in general, and Colombianas specifically, do NOT find youthfulness in a man to be valuable asset. Just the opposite.
It is much more appealing to them for a man to be 40 than 30. And it is even better still to be 50 than 40.
Of course, a younger man has no point of reference on this as he will not yet have had the opportunity to experience this phenomena for himself.
I am actually 51, but I tell all the chicas (whether they are 22, 32, or 42) that I am 60, because it works in my favor. Believe me, I sure wouldn't lie about my age if it wasn't to my advantage.
Those who are younger must think I am completely insane and totally full of shit, because this concept is unthinkable in Western society. It is almost impossible to get ones mind around it.
But it's true in Latin America.
The good news for all of you youngsters out there is that in the years ahead you are only going to become more appealing to the chicas!
Viva la differencia!
DB