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[QUOTE=Bkk A Ok]For the guys who scoff at the 2000 ST / 4000 LT rates would you include the above 3 bars in that or is it geared towards NEP and beer bars?
Because 1000-1500 ST and 1500-2000 LT feels unrealistic in the above mentioned 3 bars. Lets assume you're only interested in taking the better looking broads.
[/QUOTE]Correct. It is very difficult to go below the 2000/4000 threshold in the bars you mentioned and the same goes for the best NEP bars such as the Rainbows. In fact these prices are kind of imposed by the establishments through the mamasans and the older ladies. In other words, someone else, a third party, not happy enough to be paid the barfine, decides how much I have to give to my chick to bang her or even just to sleep with her (yes, sure, LOL). Some bars, I was told, go further in this and even check if the girls actually obtained the correct amount, go figure.
Who gains from this practice? For sure not the punters who are confronted with a kind of cartel. The girls? IMHO no, because the real stunners (10, 15%?) get regularly barfined while the others especially in the low season cannot really compete by lowering their requests. In addition, the girls cannot choose to go with someone that they prefer by reducing their rates and charging more those who they would like to avoid.
The bars? Well, in the short term it is just fantastic: for the same salary they keep their girls at work for longer, often until the closing time and the girls keep attracting customers (who likes an empty bar?) and milk them with overpriced drinks, ping pong balls baskets and so on.
In the long run? Well, IMO it is enough to see how many bars are empty in Nana and how many streetwalkers you can find on the Suk, at the beergarded and late at night in the discos.
Personally I spend less and less (money and time) in the gogos and focus more on the massages and freelancers. From time to time I barfine some girls from Nana and Cowboy (Patpong no longer exists for me), but actually just when I find someone who is not pushy and has a nice and easy attitude (well, big boobs help too). Do I negotiate? Sure but within the limits and always with a smile. Tip? Why not if I got more than I expected?
First Trip – 3rd day in Bangkok
Planning activities for the day time is essential otherwise it can get boring.
Had the provided breakfast at the Lodge and read the local English dailies (as I try to do wherether I am except in Dubai, too rubbish for me there.). Some interesting political machinations at that time (Nov/Dec 2007). I must say the quality of the Nation and the Bangkok Post leaves a lot to be desired. Seem more like gossip and rumour mongers than thought and opinion leaders without the informative and analytical pieces I except from papers meant to be read by the elite in Bangkok. Not a mentally or intellectually stimulating read.
I think on this day I went to the Royal Palace and then Wat Po.
I took at taxi there as the rail/transit system does not extent there.
Dress sensibly otherwise you might have to rent a sarong (i.e. no shorts). It is an entry requirement.
Tourist pay entry fee and locals pay none or nominal amount.
Inside was ok, nothing much. The main attraction was the emerald Buddha. I was reading up on Buddhism at that point and found it ironic that people were killing each other over this Emerald Buddha. Not very Buddhist.
Buddhism in Thailand is a mixture of local influence/superstition, Hinduism (Brahma is still worshipped in Thailand but not in India) and Therevada Buddhism.
The bits of the palace opened to the public were not very interesting to me.
As an aside, this period of time was the run up to the king’s birthday and his posters were everywhere, put up by various business enterprises. Factory workers were also wearing the royal yellow (given to them by factory owners). The king’s face was so dominant I feel it was eerily cultish. I won’t mention it anymore as similar things have been heatedly discussed in the board except to mention how time changes!
Wat Po is a rambling Buddhist complex behind the Royal Palace. I walked there. On the day had a thai guy coming the other way in a blue police uniform, not exactly police but a uniform of some sort . He said hi and asked where I was from. Told him. Asked where I was going. I said Wat Po.Claimed he was ina the army. He started to tell me it was closed, he ahd come from there, it was a public holiday etc, why not go to a Big Buddha nearby. My mind was set on Wat Po and I prefer to trust myself then others. Also I had come from the Royal palace which was open. So just said no and keep walking. A common scam it seems it to get you to go to some other attraction on an expensive tuk-tuk ride.
And yes Wat Po was open. Wat Po is my kind of place, rambling, old, seemingly incoherent, unstructured. There is even a school at the back for kids. Spent some time there, a great antidote to the Royal palace. Less of a crowd and you can wander around in solitude.
I also indulged in the famous Wat Po massage. There is a massage school in Wat Po and it is considered the best in Thailand. According to my guide books there are different schools of massage in Thailand with ones in Ching Mai also acclaimed. This would explain the differences in routine I had from different massages I received.
This is in the middle and to the left of Wat Po. Pay an amount take a number and a massager will be assigned to you, either male of female. You go into a room with thin matresses on the floor. Other are getting massaged. The massager does a little prayer and you get massaged. The best massage I had in Thailand. The cost is nominal (for the tourist) as everyone including locals pay the same price. It is considered a service back to the community (well that is what my guide book says).
Coming back was trickier. No public transport (except busses). I walked back to the royal palace and had to take a taxi from there, one of those hanging around the entrance. Was quoted and exorbitant price and so was not keen on chit0chatting with the driver. I think for those who do go to the royal palace try to go to the left of the palace, down the road to the side and see if you can flag a taxi that is moving along the road rather than getting scalped from those at the entrance. But please be warned there seems no way back than by using these scalpers.
I did ask how much a car/taxi cost, 1 million baht apparently. On reaching the lodge he tried to get more from me then the agreed price. I said no of course and said we had an agreement. And that and other similar occasion is why I try my best not to use taxis whenever I can.
This night I went again to NEP. Tried some of the other go go’s. Rainbow 2 at the ground floor refused me entry said members only (being a brownie I had read the forum enough to expect this)
Ended up in Rainbow 4 again.
More basics
Forgot to mention that there is an element of safety in getting girls from bars and gogos rather than freelancers. You have the option of complaining to the mamasan the next day and tracking items that are missing. I think the lodge does note down the ID of WG’s coming in but I can’t remember. ID’s are all in Thai so not very useful but I believe there are some post that try to aid punters in working out the WG’s age from their ID. Best to stay in a hotel that notes the ID.
Soon had a girl rubbing against me and trying to talk to me while I was trying to look at the girls on the stage. Was in particular looking for my secondary school crush look alike. Anyway the one rubbing against me (she was trying to rub her ass on my crotch) was friendly enough and I was horny, so the deal was struck, LT price negotiated, bar fine paid. As we were walking out of the NEP and before I made the offer, she had chosen some food and then waited for me to pay. This annoyed me but more importantly keep me on my guard, then as we where walking pass some clothes stalls she made indications that this and that was nice, in a way that if I was an indulgent sugar daddy I would have bought those things for her. Again not a good sign. Next she asked whether I wanted yaba. I did not mind. So she leads me across (all the while we are holding hands) to the petrol station at the corner of the turning into NEP. No explanation given and my annoyance has reached a pretty high level. I ask her what is going on and she says we need to get a tuk tuk to go and buy the yaba.
Fuck that. I just let go of her hand, crossed the road quickly, got a taxi back to the lodge, hoping to get a girl from the sports lounge there. Along the way I spied Soi Cowboy and asked the taxi to stop and ended up there. I ended up in a gogo where I saw an attractive dancer. Caller her over LD’s bought, seemed friendly, negotiated and took her back to the lodge. She is still around but does not do LT anymore but still dances. She has a kid though she denied it to me. The mamasan told me later. I became friends with the mamasan there and she still texts me once in while, so the particular gogo shall remain nameless. She(the gogo girl) was ok but we did not hit it off. Most pussies are nice and tight for me in Thailand (as compared to Thai WG’s in London who have too much custom, non tight pussies and can earn up to £30k in 2 months and pay of the people who arranged her visa etc, yes they see up to 5++ people a day) but I think hers wasn’t for me.
I forgot to mention, tight pussies is a huge attraction for me in Thailand. Most WG’s in the western world seeming have loose pussies. No friction with the thrust.
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Policy? Nothing is etched in stone in Thailand!
[QUOTE=Frazer]I'll do when you bring some arguments, my friend.
I have been explained several times by a number of Rainbow(s), Shark and Baccara girls that their management has a strict policy concerning their rates and that the senior ladies actually brainwash the newcomers.
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I agree that they are brainwashed and spoiled.
Recently I've had 2 attractive girls out of rainbow 4 for less than 1500ST each and 1 young attractive girl from shark for 1500ST. I can say from experience that almost all of the girls in these clubs can be negotiated down as long as you're willing to negotiate (make sure the mamma is not around). A lot of guys can't be bothered to negotiate and just pay whatever the girl asks. Remember these girls are trying to get as much money as they can out of every guy.