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One in a million...
I really do not know where I could start to answer you Helena,however let's start from the words of our dear Doc:
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]....
I often find it's easier to get 3 or 4 girls essentially at the same time as it is to just get one you focus on.....
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I think this is the best suggest to get regulars written in all the forum in the last years!
We desire what we cannot have, we want what we cannot get, we fall in love of somebody who is close to us but "so far" we cannot bring, it is part of human nature,it is so...obviously,that it is impossible to deny it!
Almost every good looking woman, can have almost every man she wants, and she get soon boring about all these men who are good as "dogs", who always answer to sms immediately, who are so polite,so good....and she wants-needs the man who doesn't care about her! Cause this man..is different from all the others,cause she is never sure about this man,he has no interest or he only plays? Who knows...he is different and it seems he is hard to catch too...
I think that every man that have enough experience with girls-regulars, can agree that to be a "bad" guy increases so much your chance to get women!
And with "bad" I do not mean to be alcholist or to kick her ass....(typical male hobbies in the east europe...and this is not MY opinion,but what you learn speaking with the girls and travelling to east europe..)
Show to a woman that you can live without her pussy and she get in trouble, show her that you do not need sex with her and she immediately loses her super-ultra-fanta-mega-powers....WHY?
Every woman believes that it is enough she has a mini skirt and you immediately get horny as bull,but keep on look into her eyes when you are talking with her even if she dress very sexy,never look to any part of her body and she immediately feels as a child lost in the wood in the middle of night....WHY?
After the first or second meeting with a girl, if you do not kiss her even if was very pleasent meeting, she come back home and feels ugly, feels she did something wrong...or at least you do not like her,but keep on writing to her and she will do not understand what is wrong with her,that you are not trying to get into her tanga...
I always am the good guy I am with pro, no reason to play games,cause from the beginning is all clear, sex for money, usually most of pro are much better than thousands of regulars playing tons of games.
But be good with regulars and they fall asleep, they will get soon boring about you and start to search for the "bad" guy who make her heart beats...
I agree that it is said, but it is true,it is the real word!
Helena I have no reasons to not believe you,but you are...just one in a million! Nothing more than that!
My best friend always says:" if girls did not have pussy,nobody will talk with them". And there is a big truth in this too...
But talk with them AS IF they had not pussy and you will see how much you can spark their interest about you....
As our Doc very well said, why if you are writing with 3 or 4 girls at same time it is, MUCH,very MUCH easier to get them all than if you focus only with one?
WHY Helena? Have you ever tried but seriously to answer to this question that describes so well the real word?
This sentence is so true,it is in front of all the persons who have...eyes open and why this sentence is true if all the girls are as Helena said they are???
The answer is that only one girl in a million is as Helena thinks they are, not more!
I do not have bad opinion about women, ( I have my personal opinion..), I only tried to be a good man and then to be a "bad" man and saw very well the BIG difference there is from get some regulars and get many regulars at the same time!
Be a gentleman and she will forget your name, cause you are the same as all the others men...(however if you are rich or Brad Pitt, she "maybe" remember who you are...)
But if you want to score many girls, not "play" with 3 or 4, but play with 30 or 40 at the same time, not answer with delay, but just forget sometimes to answer at all and...call me when you will not be able to afford all your contacts... :)
Let's speak in this forum about the real world and not about the world as it should be...
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[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]I really don't know where you find this sort of girls. I don't know any who would like this sort of games. For example, when I discover that a man plays tricks, I get rid of him even if he is a well-paying client. I think that playing tricks is disrespect to a person you are with, and it's absolutely not fun. Right, it makes women nervous and attracts attention. But then it depends on a women. If she likes to have things clear and feel happy (most of women I know prefer this), she will soon explain you the rules, and if after this you continue playing games, will soon turn you off. Probably after a huge histeric (because she will feel upset, used and humiliated). A man who responds sms with a dealy? - you kidding, a woman who has at least a drop of selfrespect will not be with a man who is so much uninterested in her that he doesn't even bother to respond in the proper time. The explanation like "sorry, dear, I was busy" is the synonim of "sorry, dear, I am an asshole, kick me out as soon as possible". All women who ever had relationships with men playing tricks always say to their friends: "I just don't understand, why he had to perform this ugly spectacular? He is an attractive man, and I liked him. If he didn't do this shit, I'd continue meeting him, but he behaved as a completely sick person... for what?" To me, for example, in any relationships - short, long or just business - my own comfort is the most important thing. I don't meet a person who tease me after I discover the game. And I don't have sex with him after this. Never. Under no condition, it's absolutely impossible, because my own quietness is more important. To my mind the only acceptable type of a "bad boy" is a fun-guy who entertains, but not playing tricks and keeps situation clear and fun for both. And, of course, this boy should say at the very first moment: "I'm just a bad boy, I'm here for fun only, I don't need serious relationships". Then if a girl feels OK about this, she may continue. This is at least honest.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps you are right Helena, but I have a system that works for me. It is of course self-serving and dishonest at times, but I do manage to avoid hurting too many feelings (including my own), do manage to have sex with new girls almost as often as I please and many of them maintain contact with me for years... so apparently they don't hate it, otherwise they wouldn't keep coming back. All types from 18-year old students from Himki to 21 year old oligarch daughters and catalog models. Could very well be that they judge foreign men differently than their own Russian men... as they know very soon that they can expect nothing in the way of marriage from me. Could be I'm (and guys like me) just a pleasant distraction.
Besides that, when juggling several girls at the same time and having a dozen in reserve, it's not possible to answer all of the SMSs.
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]she will soon explain you the rules[/QUOTE]
You've never been a man Helena, our "game", our "war" is different than yours. You have no idea about some of the shit we have to go through. We're here to get as much pussy as we can and it is much easier being a bit bad as opposed to being good. Merely saying "I am bad boy, let's fuck for fun" isn't going to get it done for most of us. The game has to be played and it is better to play it by your own rules, as opposed to the woman's. Experience proves my point and I think a lot of the guys will agree.
Very few women can impress us enough to keep us interested for a long time anyway... but they do exist. Some of the girls I met along the way have become an important part of my life... but I'm not ready to stop playing yet.
You'd probably hate me.
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]A man who responds sms with a dealy? - you kidding, a woman who has at least a drop of selfrespect will not be with a man who is so much uninterested in her that he doesn't even bother to respond in the proper time. The explanation like "sorry, dear, I was busy" is the synonim of "sorry, dear, I am an asshole, kick me out as soon as possible". [/QUOTE]
Being a girl's trick pony who reacts to every SMS dutifully, who allows himself to be controlled and monitored by a woman... and Russian women are ALMOST as guilty as their anglo cousins when it comes to attempting to control their men... gets you NOWHERE in the dating game. It makes you a tool, a stooge. I never said you should be universally rude, but you definitely have to remind the girls that they don't own you. Russian women are notorious for testing the boundaries of controlling men... buy me this, buy me that. Ordering shit from the menu that don't even want... I don't let this happen anymore, I learned this long ago and since have adopted to controlling the situation as best possible and have been much happier since. The girls in my opinion also live better this way. Longer term relations develop somewhat differently, but for short term relations... and most guys here only are really interested in that... are played by different rules.
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[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]
You'd probably hate me.[/QUOT]
Skank, you are a stranger from the forum, not a piece of my life. How can I hate you or like? It would be silly. I don't share your opinion, but it's not a big deal. I have no idea what should happen to a man to make him treat women this way. May be you really went through so much shit... In this case I can just feel sorry for you.
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[QUOTE=Lukasek]
My best friend always says:" if girls did not have pussy,nobody will talk with them". And there is a big truth in this too...
But talk with them AS IF they had not pussy and you will see how much you can spark their interest about you.... [/QUOTE]
But it's fun that women have pussies, isn't it? By the way, men without dicks and balls are also not too interesting.
[QUOTE=Lukasek]
As our Doc very well said, why if you are writing with 3 or 4 girls at same time it is, MUCH,very MUCH easier to get them all than if you focus only with one?
WHY Helena? Have you ever tried but seriously to answer to this question that describes so well the real word? [/QUOTE] - This is statistics. The more shots you make the more goals you hit. Has nothing to do with girls. Works in any field.
[QUOTE=Lukasek]
The answer is that only one girl in a million is as Helena thinks they are, not more![/QUOTE] - May be I am one in a million. There is nothing wrong in being unique. But I know at least 10 girls who think and act very similar.
[QUOTE=Lukasek]
Be a gentleman and she will forget your name, cause you are the same as all the others men...
Let's speak in this forum about the real world and not about the world as it should be...[/QUOTE] - I guess, both the worlds are real, but our realities seem to be very different. The matter of taste probably.
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[QUOTE=Helena Moscow][QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]
You'd probably hate me.[/QUOTE]
Skank, you are a stranger from the forum, not a piece of my life. How can I hate you or like? It would be silly. I don't share your opinion, but it's not a big deal. I have no idea what should happen to a man to make him treat women this way. May be you really went through so much shit... In this case I can just feel sorry for you.[/QUOTE]
I didn't say you hate me, but rather that you probably would if you met me.
There is no need to feel sorry for me, I'm quite happy with my "plight".
I honestly don't think I treat women that badly either. One of the keys to successful mongering is knowing how to be nice and focus on one woman when it is the appropriate time. The number that stick around and keep seeing me does suggest that they don't generally disagree with my company, both in the bed and out. I've rarely had "ugly" breakups or hysterics. And like I said, the number of women who have nice guy boyfriends or husbands and still fuck me or guys like me is a bit disturbing. Certainly not all... but more than I thought would be possible. I don't know if this says something negative about me, them or their men... or just life.
As for going through shit, I've actually rarely been treated badly by women. I do think most women have big hearts and want a happy life, but have also discovered that especially the younger ones are not looking for "the" nice pleasant man, at least not when it comes down to having sex and adventure. Sure when they are about 30 they suddenly panic and want to get married and have kids and "mysteriously" the guys they ignored during their wild youth are now "good enough" to pay the bills and raise the kids, but that's not the market we are looking for.
This phenomenon is more prominent in our European and American home countries, but especially in Moscow and Kiev it is also largely true of EE as well.
Moscow girls are different than country girls obviously, who marry much younger... and often have a stronger "morality" as well as a more earnest desire to find a good provider, regardless of his image. Moscow girls on the contrary are generally quite wild and want to experience life at its fullest. I think that is good and natural, even if sometimes stereotypically comical in an unfunny way.
Besides that, most of us mongers are not in Russia (or Ukraine etc.) long enough to really develop long-term relations. We are looking to score some sex with the best looking girls we can get. Sometimes we pay, sometimes we play. That's why we are mongers. We're sexual deviants in a way, sexually insatiable.
Guys luck us keep you and your sisters in business.
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Helena,
Surely you are joking!
Such girls are found worldwide in every country. Women are frequently playing multiple games/men at the same time everywhere in the world. It’s the nature of life with women looking for improved security, financial, social status and men looking to spread seed.
Russia is my top choice for females because they are different in that:
Overall many are absolutely gorgeous, fun, aggressive, and clever.
Dammed good at sex, not afraid to use it with pride of their fucking and sucking skills.
Pheromones like heroin, better sexual response than any other country I have been in.
In my humble opinion-
1st off it’s all about sex for men and women alike, money coming a close second. Some women like to delude themselves that they are somehow above this. On this I have to call Bullshit, I’d put the female game’s player ratio at least 70% or more. The type of women you describe maybe 1 out of 10 at best.
Milking a foreign man or multiples of men for money is many Russian women’s national sport. There is a reason they call us wallets, it’s a game for us as well.
In Russia the opportunity exists to meet very pretty women, fuck them and to have the mind-blowing sexual encounter that in other countries simply is not so easy to accomplish. Worth every bit of a 14 hour plane trip.
Course I could be wrong and need more in depth research. Looking forward to the next trip.
Did I mention it’s all about sex………….
Guido88
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Quote my self...
[QUOTE=It Travel]If you want to be out of money you gan just sponsor this teen...
[url]http://www.flirt.com.ua/dev_ll444/[/url]
Taskent, but I think if you are rich enough she will come to Moscow... simply incredible, an 18teen just out from the high school and look at some pics..
I think if you sponsor such a girl (it would be so for me in any case) you would be with no work and completely out of money in some months...
IT
PS But if you are a Russian billionare... she can be a benefit for one of your directors :([/QUOTE]
I quote myself so you have the link too...
For those who do not have the registration, and the password, for flirt…
Here the incredible girl in Tashkent searching for a sponsor, she answered me and said she is in Tashkent… by the way she says she is working for a model agency (what kind of models???) there! But seldom she comes to Moscow.
I can imagine who shot the first picture I put here… I should have been like a cocktail of Viagra, Cialis and Levitra… all together. :D
I think I could fuck this teen up to when I get a heart attack, if she is even good in bed….
IT
PS when I see the pic Kristina 1 I just have an immmediate erection! she is, in my opinion, something incredible, just 18teen.
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I think Helena describes what is in the women's mind, most what is in the women's reasonable mind, the one that justifies their actions. Yes they may sleep with a bad boy but afterwards they will justify it by chick logic, I do not know why it happened, it seemed so natural etc.
In the words they always claim they want a nice man, a husband etc. But they act differently.
On the other hand bad boy quality alone does not bring results in EE. You need sth more and it depends on the place.
So maybe the women are eager for sex but they have ready the excuse. I believed him and he cheated me, that is they imagine every relationship leading to marriage so they can have sex.
There is also the bargain. The dilemma you marry me or you pay me is central in the part of women's mind that is reasonable but it leads to a bargain. Not all men are ready to accept these terms. So it becomes sth like I will marry you if. , I pay you if. And there are a lot of compromises and intermediate stages. In general I think Helena's views reflect slavic women's mind (the logical part) and are easily understood by the foreigners who come in contact with these girls. The effects vary. One effect is that it is rare to have a gf but girls want a sponsor, a groom or a sugar daddy. Many men like that since they also do not want a girlfriend. On the practical field it has consequences only on the long term, that is you cannot keep a girl who hopes for marriage a long time if you do not marry her actually. You must propose to her very soon, maybe in six months, otherwise she leaves. So the competition sets the terms. If there are many available good standing grooms, a girl will not risk sex. If there are few (as it happens actually) she will give sex in order to gain a positive attitude from future groom. Sex is a bargaining weapon. (in women's reason).
Practically the dilemma either you marry or you pay leads to a girl being in bed one hour after first meeting and starting to speak about marriage! This is also common in Poland.
The other possibility (you pay) leads to the gold digger who in any case will win since she can ask for money in advance. I mean it is more difficult to ask for marriage before sex than to ask for money before sex. So the bargain is beneficial for the gold digger unless there are many good girls who give it for free. In this case the gold digger lowers the price and in some cases she may not ask for money in advance in order to set the trap in a not beneficial for her environment of good girls giving it for free. Experienced men can handle the gold digger, the rest cannot. Everybody can handle the nice girls.
I definitely disagree with mongers describing themselves as serious persons with marriage as goal with purpose to cheat and sleep with good girls. I disagree with this attitude because it makes girls distrust foreigners influenced by their frisnds' experiences and gives more power to gold diggers since it moves many good girls away from foreigners. In this perspective Helena's suggestions are right, I mean to promise marriage only to have quick sex is unacceptable. (not only from girls' side but also from mongers' by doing with this attitude a lot of harm to next mongers).
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[QUOTE=Hecker]
I definitely disagree with mongers describing themselves as serious persons with marriage as goal with purpose to cheat and sleep with good girls. I disagree with this attitude because it makes girls distrust foreigners influenced by their frisnds' experiences and gives more power to gold diggers since it moves many good girls away from foreigners. In this perspective Helena's suggestions are right, I mean to promise marriage only to have quick sex is unacceptable. (not only from girls' side but also from mongers' by doing with this attitude a lot of harm to next mongers).[/QUOTE]
That's exactly what I meant. It's correct that women need sex as well as men. And sometimes they don't mind spending fun-time with a nice man without any further obligations. If the man is really attractive and the girl has nothing against sex for entertainment, it's good for both. It's impossible and sensless to marry each man you meet. There are many ways to be honest and still get what you want. For example, one of my friends dates a stripteaser. He is a very good-looking guy with pleasant manners. He looks like a macho, but he has the hart, too. When they got acquainted (in a strip-club she paid him for a private dance) he showed that he was not against to continue for free after work, then he said that she had to be aware that he was not going to leave his business, and plus to this he had a permanent rich girlfriend in America who he planned to marry if she doesn't change her mind. So he showed very clearly that there is nothing to expect in terms of marriage for my friend, but he likes her very much and wouldn't mind meeting her just for pleasant time. Friendship with a privilege of sex. She was also well-aware that he might have some other friends besides her. She liked him personally and had no permanent boyfriend at that time, she works in an office and has no time to search in clubs every night, so for her it was quite an acceptable way to have a time of fun and relaxation. She told me that she respected his honesty a lot and that it was an additional plus of relationships, because she felt free to search someone else with who she would have a chance for marriage at the same time without feeling guilty. They remain friends already for about 2 years, still have sex and share with each other their love-storys which happen during their friendship. No tricks, no games, no cheating, only pleasure. This sort of relatioships I find quite OK. I just hate when a man plays tricks and gives hints to a woman that there is a chance for the future only to get sex or a temporary girlfriend for the time untill the expats contract finishes. This became very common since foreigners appeared in Russia. Before such things were unheard of. This way is terrible and can't have any exuse. I know many examples when a foreign guy pretended (sometimes for years) that he plans to marry a girl, and later she by accident discovered that he was already successfully married or he left for his own country without a worning - the girl didn't even know that his contract was over. I think there must be a law against it. When someone steals your money or things you only loose money or things - and the robbery is already a crime. When someone steals by cheating precious months or years of your life and you believe in people - it's much a harder crime, and it's still legal. Probably these guys are even proud of how smart they are, probably they become heroes for the same sort of freaks as themselves. But no matter what these guys say, I will never believe that being a monster is normal and realistic, and being a normal person is naive and stupid. And I'll never agree that a man who is cheating a woman calling it "his own game" is mentally healthy and all right. To me any fucking trick means that a man who plays it has no confidence, full of complex, mentally sick and needs a help of a doctor. If he really believes that women like being hurt and considers himself a great lover, he needs an ambulance immediately. A really good lover doesn't need to cheat, women like him the way he is. Even if he is married or engaged, or just fucks everything around. They can accept it he is amusing, if they are worned and have no prejudice against short-term fun. Only loosers cheat and play these hot-cold-games to attract attention. Normal people are attractive without them.
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[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]That's exactly what I meant. It's correct that women need sex as well as men. And sometimes they don't mind spending fun-time with a nice man without any further obligations. If the man is really attractive and the girl has nothing against sex for entertainment, it's good for both. It's impossible and sensless to marry each man you meet. There are many ways to be honest and still get what you want. For example, one of my friends dates a stripteaser. He is a very good-looking guy with pleasant manners. He looks like a macho, but he has the hart, too. When they got acquainted (in a strip-club she paid him for a private dance) he showed that he was not against to continue even for free after work, then he said that she had to be aware that he was not going to leave his business, and plus to this he had a permanent rich girlfriend in America who he planned to marry if she doesn't change her mind. So he showed very clearly that there is nothing to expect in terms of marriage for my friend, but he likes her very much and wouldn't mind meeting her just for pleasant time. Friendship with a privilege of sex. She was also well-aware that he might have some other friends besides her. She liked him personally and had no permanent boyfriend at that time, she works in an office and has no time to search in clubs every night, so for her it was quite an acceptable way to have a time of fun and relaxation. She told me that she respected his honesty a lot and that it was an additional plus of relationships, because she felt free to search someone else with who she would have a chance for marriage at the same time without feeling guilty. They remain friends already for about 2 years, still have sex and share with each other their love-storys which happen during their friendship. No tricks, no games, no cheating, only pleasure. This sort of relatioships I find quite OK. I just hate when a man plays tricks and gives hints to a woman that there is a chance for the future only to get sex or a temporary girlfriend for the time untill the expats contract finishes. This became very common since foreigners appeared in Russia. Before such things were unheard of. This way is terrible and can't have any exuse. I know many examples when a foreign guy pretended (sometimes for years) that he plans to marry a girl, and later she by accident discovered that he was already successfully married. I think there must be a law against it. When someone steals your money or things you only loose money or things - and the robbery is already a crime. When someone steals by cheating years of your life and you believe in people - it's much a harder crime. And somehow these guys go off without any punishment. Probably they are even proud of how smart they are. But no matter what these guys say, I will never believe that being a monster is normal and realistic, and being a normal person is naive and stupid. And I'll never agree that a man who is cheating a woman calling it "his own game" is mentally healthy and all right. To me any fucking trick means that a man who plays it has no confidence, full of complex, mentally sick and needs a help of a doctor. If he really believes that women like being hurt and considers himself a great lover, he needs an ambulance immediately. A really good lover doesn't need to cheat, women like him the way he is. Even if he is married or engaged, or just fucks everything around. They can accept it if they are worned and have no prejudice against short-term fun.[/QUOTE]First of all I have to add that this behaviour was not totally unknown before foreigners came. Some ukrainian girls complained to me that russian guys did exactly the same in Ukraine in some cases leaving the girls when they became pregnant.
Second there are many foreigners who are really interested in marrying a russian girl. They pay a lot of money to trips, agencies and search for a wife.
It is these men that have created a relatively good reputation for foreign guys. If every foreigner behaved like monger, mongers could not survive anymore in Russia. So a girl thinks this man is either a serious future husband or a sex tourist. How do I find out? There is when the game begins.
Now she is likely to offer sex because 70-80% of foreigners are serious. So she risks a 20-30% danger. Her benefit is bigger than her losses. If bad foreigners constituted more than 50%, good girls would seldom risk. (especially as they are not in particular need now).
I only want to say to Helena that if a girls starts thinking about marriage it is not the foreigner's fault. I mean if the foreigner does not propose to her or is not asked why should he tell her, look I am not serious I just go for fun.
I mean is there any girl who says straight, look I do not like you at all, I am interested in your money only?
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[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]....
Only loosers cheat and play these hot-cold-games to attract attention....[/QUOTE]
So all the women that always plays as well are loosers? LOL
You are right Helena, why we should play, if with most of women is enough to show some Franklin...
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[QUOTE=Lukasek]So all the women that always plays as well are loosers? LOL
[/QUOTE] Womens games are different, mostly women are more straight. Probably what you took for a game was just a real "no" to you.
[QUOTE=Lukasek]
You are right Helena, why we should play, if with most of women is enough to show some Franklin...[/QUOTE] May be with most of women you meet. But don't forget about those to who you should give some Franklin, not only show. And those who will not go with you even after this, if they don't want.
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some thoughts
[quote=helena moscow] i just hate when a man plays tricks and gives hints to a woman that there is a chance for the future only to get sex or a temporary girlfriend for the time untill the expats contract finishes. this became very common since foreigners appeared in russia. before such things were unheard of. [/quote]
i agree 100% that leading women on under false pretenses is wrong and not very sportsmanlike... in fact it's been discussed on this forum before and most agreed that it goes against the yet undefined "monger's code", which attempts to define honor and good behavior in our underworld sport.
surely leading girls on with fake promises has been used by foreigners before, or perhaps the russian or ukrainian girl just read something into the relationship that the man saw completely differently.
nonetheless, i don't see how this can be considered a phenomenon with only foreign men. maybe russian men didn't do this in soviet times, but surely the new russians and their habit of trading in their "aging" 26 year old molls for a fresh new 18-year old model from siberia every few years isn't exactly to the satisfaction of the 26-yr old girl who gave up her best years only to be shown the curb when her tits showed the first signs of sag.
nor can new russian wives be happy with their men sending them shopping to shut them up while they entertain themselves with sponsored teens and twens on the weekends.
[quote=helena moscow]for example, one of my friends dates a stripteaser. he is a very good-looking guy with pleasant manners. [/quote]
and *****s himself out to whatever women pay him for their time. that's like falling in love with a female stripper or prostitute. hardly a real world example. it's a rock star example.
your girlfriend lives out a fantasy with a living doll... more power to her, but i doubt she'd behave the same with someone from the real world.
[quote=helena moscow]when someone steals by cheating precious months or years of your life and you believe in people - it's much a harder crime, and it's still legal. probably these guys are even proud of how smart they are, probably they become heroes for the same sort of freaks as themselves. but no matter what these guys say, i will never believe that being a monster is normal and realistic, and being a normal person is naive and stupid. [/quote]
it is wrong to deceive women in this way, it's low and unfair. but nobody here is talking about that. the dynamics of club life and dating are much different. we aren't talking about tricks and fooling women... there is no fun in that, but rather playing the club game better than others. we still have to look at ourselves in the mirror the next day.
many of us serial mongers have had to deal with ugly breakups or disappointed, hurt girls. it's a mutual pain that makes one careful to not promise anything and end relationships before they get to serious. when it happens anyway, it's unfortunate but a hazard of the hobby.
usually however, it's not even necessary to worry about it too much, as club and dating life have their own dynamics. it's not conventional dating.
or how many girls met their future husband at a club?
no, most girls going there are not looking to meet the guy to spend the rest of their life with. they go there to have fun and if the mood is right, they might go home with someone. for us, it's all about being that someone. if it doesn't happen on the first night, it probably will on the second. it's about making that happen.
look at the profiles on dating sites. not everybody is looking for love and long-term relationships. casual sex is as common as ever. i've even had the women tell me to not take things so seriously... it was just sex. most girls know exactly what they are getting into when dating and/or fucking foreign businessmen and tourists.
and no, it's not just foreigners doing it... so are local russian boys. they have a different set of parameters to work with... some advantages like time and language... some disadvantages, like proximity and lack of exoticism.
[quote=helena moscow]only loosers cheat and play these hot-cold-games to attract attention. normal people are attractive without them.[/quote]
i find it somewhat amusing that the women that lecture me most about my dating habits are prostitutes. wonder why? because some of us get for free what you offer for $300? and the girls throw in bbbj, real kisses and honest laughs and fun for free?
i don't understand why you are complaining though. by conventional wisdom, normal people don't use prostitutes either. we do.
it's a system that works for me and you. i greatly value some prostitutes and have met many i have really liked. pro sex can be a great thing. the bad pros are just another hazard of the game.
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- this is statistics. the more shots you make the more goals you hit. has nothing to do with girls. works in any field.
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here you missed the point dear. we're saying sometimes it's easier to get all 4 girls by juggling them at the same time than it would be to get all 4 individually by concentrating on them. there is some truth in saying that some women are like cats... if you pay too much attention to them they run away... if you ignore them for awhile they jump on your lap and purr.
[quote=hecker] in the words they always claim they want a nice man, a husband etc. but they act differently.
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excellent point. it's like the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] fantasy. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] is a woman's worst real world nightmare. but nearly every woman likes to play out the fantasy sometimes.
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i definitely disagree with mongers describing themselves as serious persons with marriage as goal with purpose to cheat and sleep with good girls. i disagree with this attitude because it makes girls distrust foreigners influenced by their frisnds' experiences and gives more power to gold diggers since it moves many good girls away from foreigners. in this perspective helena's suggestions are right, i mean to promise marriage only to have quick sex is unacceptable. (not only from girls' side but also from mongers' by doing with this attitude a lot of harm to next mongers).[/quote]
again, well said. this kind of manipulation is unacceptable. it's really cheating. it's not only bad for the girl and could damage her capacity to trust men, but ultimately it must be bad for the psyche of the guy doing it as well.
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Doc,
"Monger's code, which attempts to define honor and good behavior in our underworld sport”
The only monger’s code I am aware of is dick into pussy however possible. At that you are an expert that I have watched in action. Honor and good behavior are laughable terms; bullshit and fast-talking are the preferred methods.
Hecker,
“Not only from girls' side but also from mongers' by doing with this attitude a lot of harm to next mongers”
The word naïve comes to mind immediately along with “Are you fucking kidding? Mongers are there to get fucked period. Those with contrary outlooks are called faithful husbands or delusional idiots. The Russian women will eat you alive.
Helana,
By your posts you have considerable knowledge of both Russian and foreign men. With your life experience you have to know that men are basically the same regardless of country of origin. We are all looking for a place to put our dicks. Methods used to achieve that goal are in no way different than methods women use to achieve their goals. Get real; anything else is fantasy or delusion.
Guido88
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Hecker,
"Not only from girls' side but also from mongers' by doing with this attitude a lot of harm to next mongers"
The word naïve comes to mind immediately along with "Are you fucking kidding? Mongers are there to get fucked period. Those with contrary outlooks are called faithful husbands or delusional idiots. The Russian women will eat you alive.
I know mongers are there to get fucked. But their methods to achieve this matter as well. If they use marriage agencies or promise straight marriage, this has adverse consequences for mongers who come next.
For example if a girl had before Dr. Skank a monger has still chances with her cause she finds foreigners interesting, attractive, smooth talking etc. But if she had an experience with sb who proposed marriage and vanished she will be very careful and reluctant to do anything with any foreigner. Moreover she will have spread the rumour to her friends turning more girls unavailable.
The former is valid mainly in smaller cities.
On the other hand I do not think that a girl who presents her girlfriend and encourages you to have sex with her as well can claim that she is looking for serious relationship or that she feels lonely etc. There is so much contradiction between actions and words in EE that it is always better to ignore the words.