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[QUOTE=MrHo;2251209]Well usually, I stay in Frankfurt for two days, landing day as e.[/QUOTE]Mr Ho thank you very much for your informative post as always.
So it actually takes you more than 4 hours to get to GT and start rocking. Is it worth the hassle to go and another 4 hours to come back to FRA? I mean 4 hours I can go by plane to FRA from here make a stop in London and come back LOL.
I know you are a gourmet type of course but I am just wondering if some other clubs near Duss are worth to visit, also why don't you fly directly to Duss airport?
Regarding Venlo it is in Netherlands so do you need passport check when you travel by train? Last info, what is the cost of trains from FRA to DUSS and then Venlo?
Many questions sorry LOL.
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In a free society there should be no norm for life despite that people like to set up the norm, it is all about quality of life. Most of us ISGers are over 35 and we pretty much have figured out what we are doing is the best to optimize our quality of life under our circumstances, but this doesn't mean it is the perfect and ideal quality of life in our dream and fantasy, this only means that it is the best quality of life we are able to reach.
I admit that I usually only glanced through the posts of this thread unless the posts interested me or were related to my posts, but I couldn't help noticing the views of some regular posters here because they appeared so often. For example, Mr. Ho is strongly against any relationship, I think he misunderstands himself. Instead of trashing any relationship, he should say that IN MY ABILITY any relationship makes my quality of life worse, so I would rather not have any relationship. Imagine if in his ability he could have a supermodel girlfriend with no stress and no strings attached, would he still trash any relationship? On the other hand, Takedown often talked about the importance of companionship and relationship. If he still doesn't have any companionship or relationship, I think it is because he realize that his quality of life would be worse off if he had any companionship or relationship in his ability, and he values his quality of life more than companionship or relationship.
So it is all about quality of life and about optimizing our quality of life under our circumstance. There is no norm for everyone and everyone should pursue the best quality of life for him UNDER HIS CIRCUMSTANCE, no matter how weird his life could end up being in the view of others. It may not be the ideal quality of life for him, but that is the best quality of life he can get.
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Actually, whether a member has a relationship or not with one girl, multiple girls, guys and girls or a plastic doll is of little interest to most of us. If it is interesting read, we will say OK, would be curious for a brief time and then move on.
Around here, we have guys who are confirmed women haters, guys whose wives fleeced them in the past and now looking to revenge fuck every girl in the club in the ass, guys who turn mushy and fall in love with every second girl that gives them a blow job, guys openly cheating on their wives and GFs, guys who may be closet bisexuals, guys who think they are romantic lotharios wooing girls in the club, guys that bankrupted themselves by handing most of their net worth to a few WGs, guys who do nothing but 50Es, and whatever else. And no one frankly cares; we are not here to tell others how to live their lives or how to think on any given topic. We all know none of us are saints. We are looking to maximize our pleasures here and now, and not looking for the 72 virgins in afterlife.
It is a fucking joke to say that unorthodox thought and independent view are unsettling to anyone here. That is so self flattering to the guy - it is not that his views are upsetting to me, it is that they are *SO* fucking boring to read. The fact is, no one needs to listen to the same idiotic stuff and mindless drivel repeated ad nauseum in bad English with zero originality, humor, or creativity. Just do a Google search of the thousands of comments and see how many deviate from the one or two thoughts expressed in almost the same words even. First time it was mildly funny, second time hmm, on the 2500th time it is enough already.
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[QUOTE=Bfsie;2252772]In a free society there should be no norm for life despite that people like to set up the norm, it is all about quality of life. Most of us ISGers are over 35 and we pretty much have figured out what we are doing is the best to optimize our quality of life under our circumstances, but this doesn't mean it is the perfect and ideal quality of life in our dream and fantasy, this only means that it is the best quality of life we are able to reach.
I admit that I usually only glanced through the posts of this thread unless the posts interested me or were related to my posts, but I couldn't help noticing the views of some regular posters here because they appeared so often. For example, Mr. Ho is strongly against any relationship, I think he misunderstands himself. Instead of trashing any relationship, he should say that IN MY ABILITY any relationship makes my quality of life worse, so I would rather not have any relationship. Imagine if in his ability he could have a supermodel girlfriend with no stress and no strings attached, would he still trash any relationship? On the other hand, Takedown often talked about the importance of companionship and relationship. If he still doesn't have any companionship or relationship, I think it is because he realize that his quality of life would be worse off if he had any companionship or relationship in his ability, and he values his quality of life more than companionship or relationship.
So it is all about quality of life and about optimizing our quality of life under our circumstance. There is no norm for everyone and everyone should pursue the best quality of life for him UNDER HIS CIRCUMSTANCE, no matter how weird his life could end up being in the view of others. It may not be the ideal quality of life for him, but that is the best quality of life he can get.[/QUOTE]Have you ever thought that quality of life can also be to fuck beautiful women? Just saying.
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[QUOTE=MrHo;2252502]I Takedown, do you realize you use this forum and you do not even realize that you are using this forum or not? LOL. With my clinical observation, it is good thing for monger to use such forum so this mongering side of our life stay socialized because in our life, we cannot openly talk about mongering out there.
Bottom line is that, broaden your horizon. Have open mind, get out your box because look I understand what you are saying, it is very close to societal norm and I partly do what you do too and feel joy in it, nd mongering and gourmet are the hobbies that make me happy.[/QUOTE]Hard to take seriously the advice of people who say to broaden your horizons when they cite traditional education and job prestige as signals of social value and normalcy. That's a pretty close minded model which is obviously and openly contradicted in this ongoing conversation.
There's a difference between mongers who post regularly who actually visit the clubs with some frequency and mongers who visit once a year but post everyday as Bannana Boi alluded to in his post. One is actively participating in the hobby while the other seems to be filling an empty void.
To Bfsie's point, I'm not even primarily speaking about what's normal. I'm talking about what is natural and biologically ingrained (Doane and Adam, 2010). I do make assumptions that even outside of mongering, some posters are not as integrated as they claim to be. It becomes obvious in some people's writings that they are detached from society despite claims otherwise. What I am asserting is not merely that this lifestyle is not normal; but rather, from an evolutionary standpoint, we are not genetically or molecularly programmed that way (Cacioppo et al, 2014). Neuro mapping and molecular biology have shown the direct correlation between loneliness, cortisol, stress, emotional pain, and physical pain.
This is not some subjective statement that claim people who don't have romantic relationships with others are not happy. Rather I am saying that people who do not have meaningful relationships of any kind are at risk of or are actively fighting against natural instinct and survival mechanisms.
There is direct clinical correlation backed by molecular biology that people who are loners are physically and measurably less happy and undergo actual perceiveable pain (Hannibal and Bishop, 2014) (Fogel, 2012) .
If it is not apparent by the dialogue and evidence I presented here, what I am saying is Ho's assertion of his happiness is not consistent with modern science.
Leah the. Doane and Emma K. Adam, 2010.
Loneliness and cortisol:
[URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2841363/[/URL]
Cacioppo, Stephanie Cacioppo, and Dorret I. Boomsma, 2014.
Evolution and loneliness:
[URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3855545/[/URL]
Kara E. Hannibal, Mark the. Bishop, 2014.
Stress, cortisol, and pain:
[URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4263906/[/URL]
Alan Fogel, 2012.
Mapping emotional versus physical pain:
[URL]https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/body-sense/201204/emotional-and-physical-pain-activate-similar-brain-regions[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Pksimar69;2252559]Mr Ho thank you very much for your informative post as always.
So it actually takes you more than 4 hours to get to GT and start rocking. Is it worth the hassle to go and another 4 hours to come back to FRA? I mean 4 hours I can go by plane to FRA from here make a stop in London and come back LOL.
I know you are a gourmet type of course but I am just wondering if some other clubs near Duss are worth to visit, also why don't you fly directly to Duss airport?
Regarding Venlo it is in Netherlands so do you need passport check when you travel by train? Last info, what is the cost of trains from FRA to DUSS and then Venlo?
Many questions sorry LOL.[/QUOTE]No problem. Well if I remember right, train is like 2 hours and bit to duss station from Frankfurt, you have to get off at duss to change train heading to venlo, no usually it is better off at breyell or station after breyell, but I want to buy herb, so I go all the way to venlo which is two station from breyell. All this takes me about 4 hours and bit, so I am in gt at around noon. If you choose breyell as your get off station, then be sure to have taxi number as I mentioned because there are usually just one or two taxi waiting and if someone else take that, usually taxi won't return for next 50 minutes till next train arrive.
I love good food yes, whether it is cheap kebab places to nice expensive places, but I care most about food taste with strong kitchen and I do not care much about atmosphere because some places has good set up with bad food just charging high price for just the place not food taste. When I talk FKK food, I only mean within FKK food because I think it is not fair to compare FKK food with restaurant. GT sometimes has good borsch, the Russian soup, now I have been to Russia many times and other former soviet union, so I don't need some forum members saying you call that good borsch? I like good food, but I am reality type who realize I am at FKK, so such borsch is good enough for in FKK and after good fuck any food is fine for me because I am happy and satisfied eating beautiful stunner right before LOL!
As for other clubs, I use gt and lr as central core for day shift club and if line up fails I leave at around 6 pm and go to oceans at around 7 pm because line up get built up around 6 pm to 8 pm, never goto oceans before 4 pm, it is not worth it as it really is night shift club. This way I got safety net. However, oceans is risky club meaning risky line up with one to max three stunner in line up, not even. Gt and lr almost no upsell, oceans there is upsell, but better than palace or Artemis for upsell level.
Train toward venlo has passport check sometimes, but most of time no, be sure to carry passport or at least copy though. Train cost is depend, but buy it on internet before then you get it for much more cheaper like more than half price. From duss to venlo original price is like 14 euro, but frank to duss I don't remember, but google it, you find bunch of good online site where you can get e ticket with huge discount and this way you know the time, so you can move like army by time already during trip, this is what I like. By the way, you do not need to goto venlo, you need train to venlo and get off at breyell and taxi to gt from there cost you about 15 euro, from venlo station to gt taxi is about 40 euro. If it is new you you, venlo always has few taxi and it is much bigger place, so it maybe easier though, so consult your wallet.
Why I fly into frankfurt is because I want to hit many FKK and frank and duss is good combination, so I can do palace, palace, train to gt, oceans at night, sleep one night at duss, goto lr or gt, and take evening train back to frankfurt and enjoy palace or other FKK in frank. So I can hit few FKK in different region and all the girls move around, but I feel differences between nrw clubs and hessen clubs for service and even optics mixture of lineup, so I usually do two town visit like land in frank and go to duss, come back to frank and fly out. I also have done fly in to zurick for one night two day for Zurich FKK. By mixing region it increase probability of meeting more stunner, but this is just me. I originally began just basing myself in Artemis for years and it used to be really good, not anymore, and this was so sad for me because I got so much memories at Artemis. There is direct flight to both frank and duss, and I have done vice versa also.
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[QUOTE=Pksimar69;2252794]Have you ever thought that quality of life can also be to fuck beautiful women? [/QUOTE]Your question belongs to another subject. But let me ask you this as a head start: Have you ever thought which is the better quality of life, to have a beautiful supermodel girlfriend while fucking other beautiful girls or to only fuck beautiful girls without a beautiful supermodel girlfriend?
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[QUOTE=Bfsie;2252832]Your question belongs to another subject. But let me ask you this as a head start: Have you ever thought which is the better quality of life, to have a beautiful supermodel girlfriend while fucking other beautiful girls or to only fuck beautiful girls without a beautiful supermodel girlfriend?[/QUOTE]I am sure that most of the mongers here don't have a beautiful supermodel GF or wife, or don't have at all a GF so they prefer to fuck other beautiful women to get some quality in their life.
I don't get your question, if you fuck other beautiful girls in both cases why not have a beautiful supermodel GF to fuck in between sessions as well? LOL LOL.
Quality is not common for everyone, what is quality for you might be BS for me and vice versa. We all have different expectations to be happy with something even it is a meal, a drink, a girl whatever.
If you ask me what is quality in life I would say that quality is to get to bed every night and sleep like a bird without thinking about problems.
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[QUOTE=Takedown;2252803]If it is not apparent by the dialogue and evidence I presented here, what I am saying is Ho's assertion of his happiness is not consistent with modern science.
[/QUOTE]If you actually have the background you seem to be asserting, you should know better.
It's fine to talk about tendencies in a population. But as to Mr Ho, it's not likely, but he may well be in the thin tail of the bell curve. And you have no way to know he isn't.
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Takedown: Interesting topic there, and I suppose this is well known for a long time. But how many percents of this is actually correlated to internet usage, both being social and non-social over the internet, and how much correlates to lack of a partner? You can also look at this from a psychological standpoint of Young's axis of introvert and extrovert. And probably of other psychological measurements also.
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Performing a study on the topic of any type of internet forum usage without having taken psychological personality testing on the users, seems to me to be a bit flawed. But I have yet to see such a study. And especially on a sex forum, LOL.
And in this particular topic, how much is related to the social aspects of it. How much is related to wider information gathering for the advanced user. And how much is related to more direct travelling information. I suspect the results could show differences based on the psychological personality traits, as well as IQ levels. And these might in turn affect chemical compositions creating loneliness. But then also, what is the real background for any personality trait? I could go on and on, but performing a good enough study on this without massive critique seems tough.
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[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2252862]If you actually have the background you seem to be asserting, you should know better.
It's fine to talk about tendencies in a population. But as to Mr Ho, it's not likely, but he may well be in the thin tail of the bell curve. And you have no way to know he isn't.[/QUOTE]I'm not asserting anything about my background.
Assertions otherwise were not made by looking at science in a vacuum, but the entire picture including the individual. Content of previous writings showing what appears to be adolescent thought processes in combination with high engagement on the message boards with lack of actual engagement in the FKK scene itself are enough to reach a reasonable conclusion regarding the individual. And since you recognized that the individual is not likely to exist outside of the bell curve, then your post only serves the function of being argumentative.
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The only thing I believe has drawn most people in here to an escort forum is also the natural needs of humans to be polygamous. Which is contrary to the forced monogamous society we are being put into in a rather fascist way. And our polygamous nature in turn is based on the Oxycontin receptors. But has any environmental toxin, such as maybe flour or something in our foods, influenced the effectiveness of these receptors in our brains? No matter what, then even people in a loving family relation with a good wife he shares bed with every day, may be drawn in here to our forum simply because his brain is not fed with enough stimulus from his own social activity.
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[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2252862]If you actually have the background you seem to be asserting, you should know better. It's fine to talk about tendencies in a population. But as to Mr Ho, it's not likely, but he may well be in the thin tail of the bell curve. And you have no way to know he isn't.[/QUOTE]No, Takedown knows all there is to know about these things, and he's intent on proving it too! I don't think anybody here really cares too much in the end about his assessment of Mr. Ho's "social deficiencies". That's not what we're here to talk about. We're here to talk about mongering. Paid sex with women! If Takedown wants to expound further, please spare the rest of us by doing a "Takedown" from the main board and going private, so the rest of us can get back to the core of why we are here. For the love of God please! As we say in Latin America. Ya!
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[QUOTE=MrHo;2252421]Well concerning food in FKk [/QUOTE]It's clear that my definition of gourmet is far from yours. We are individuals with different experiences that bring us to this point in life. Each has their own unique perspective.
[QUOTE=MrHo;2252421] I think it is not fair to say children who spent his years in boarding schools[/QUOTE]I did note say or state anything about children who spent their time in boarding schools. I stated that I had a question and I stated you have a unique perspective possibly due to cultural and environmental influences. I still have the question and you yourself have stated several times how unique your perspective is and I never judged you so no need to be defensive. I did, however, write a thesis about children who are raised in orphanages who fail to develop a parental bond within the first six months of life and how this can develop into a dis associative behavior. In my thesis, the scope included two known cases of feral human children and the failure for top doctors, psychiatrists and church officials to "reform" them. The research included documented cases or children adopted by families at ages from six months up that never developed a family bond with their adopted parents but instead developed a higher level of self reliance and self gratification.
The scope of the thesis was based on development of bonds within the first 6 months of life, therefore excluding children in boarding schools. This exclusion leaves a void in the research I conducted, but I can form some slightly educated thoughts on this. My thoughts are that children who attend boarding school adapt to the hierarchical structure developed within the student ranks. This structure helps develop strong bonds between students but also include punishments issued by the students at the top of the hierarchy. The punishments may be physical or mental. This is a sub-level hierarchy within the larger confines of the boarding school process. My question was and still remains, if there is an impact to the family units of children educated in boarding schools. I did not venture a guess if it's positive or negative, within or outside "societal norms", etc. My viewpoint is that what is normal for one person can fall well outside what is normal for others. If I had to commit to a single for for my political, religious, racial, etc. Viewpoint, I choose tolerance.