Chasing Non-English Speaking P4P Girls
[QUOTE=Angus100; 1421630]Hello all,
I will be arriving in Kiev the weekend of May 25th. Then off to Prague for the week and back in Kiev the following weekend of June 1st.
I have been there once before in 2009, during the good ole' River Palace days. Reading the forum now I understand RP is gone and the way to get P4P is either clubs (Arena, Shooters, D'Lux) or Mamba. As I speak no Russian, I figure Mamba is a no-go for me.
I am planning to get an apartment on Kreschatik and check out Arena and Shooters over the weekend. Any tips for picking up P4P during the day time? Is there anywhere good to go for daytime P4P on the weekends?
Thanks and if anyone wants to meet up PM me.
A[/QUOTE]Dear Angus,
Not only is Rog123 correct about there being plenty of girls that speak English on mamba. Ru, but you don't even NEED that the girls speak English. You can have sex with the girls on mamba that only speak Russian too.
Glad to see that you took the advice of others not to ignore mamba, as you wrote in your subsequent post that you had begun to collect contacts on mamba.
But it is not clear to me whether you are restricting yourself to just going after girls who speak English, or whether you have understood how to maximize the pussy value that can be extracted from mamba.
I am going to encourage you to also go after ALL p4p girls, not only those that speak English.
I am not only saying it, I'm doing it:. You can use Google Translate to communicate with girls in Russian!
With this handy little tool, you can have sex with very beautiful native Ukrainian girls who do not speak two words of English. I kid you not.
And using Google Translate in combination specifically with mamba. Ru, is a devastatingly powerful combination, which is far better than trying the same thing in a night club scene. I'll explain why in a bit.
By all means, do the nightclubs in the evenings. But you give up a lot of the opportunity for low priced p4p ($100 / hr and lower) with the pretty girls of Kiev when you forgo mamba, or forego those mamba girls that do not speak English. The prices in the nightclubs for p4p tend to be much higher than on mamba. So all mamba p4p girls should be considered.
The advantage the nightclubs offer over mamba is that you can see the girls in advance and direct your efforts and time toward those that appeal to you most. By contrast, mamba is filled with fake picture profiles, and finding a pretty girl is a bit of a "process". If you fail to convince a mamba girl to email you real photos or to Skype with you, you must schedule meetings with the most promising of your mamba Contacts, and meet with them to see what they look like, a process that involves time, and unfortunately time "waste", as a number of the girls met in this fashion do not make the grade because they are not attractive enough.
On a short trip to Kiev, time waste is a crucial factor to keep an eye on, lest it deprive you of a girl in your bed that evening. So I well understand the value. In terms of time efficiency. Of going to the nightclubs or strip clubs, rather than spending a lot of time meeting with potential girls from mamba (a social website) or using the Internet escort agencies for Kiev. Due to the fake picture problem.
The trade-off for the time efficiency in the nightclub or strip club scene is price. The Internet girls (mamba and escort websites like top-modals. Com and many others) have low prices and if you can get a pretty girl that way, you have saved a bundle, but it takes time. The girl chasing at nightclubs / strip clubs involves less uncertainty in getting a pretty girl, since you can see what you need to in advance, but will cost you more, sometimes way more. So it's a decision of waste more time and spend less, or pay more for the convenience of time efficiency.
The other advantage of the nightclub / strip club scene is that you have the ability to survey the "entire" available pool of candidates, and select and direct your efforts toward getting to the prettiest available girl. But when using the Internet (mamba and escort sites) you are flying blind and the prettiness level of the girl who shows up at the door is completely the luck of the draw.
Because of these factors, on a short visit to Kiev, my personal preference was always to pay a little more and go to strip clubs, so I could be more certain to get the hottest and most beautiful girls I could get into my bed each night in Kiev.
But that does not mean, to ignore mamba and Internet escort websites. My approach was to do both. You see, the nightclubs and strip clubs are closed during the day!
So I used the daytime to meet girls from mamba and escort sites. And I met quite a few hotties in this manner and kept their contact info for future visits to Kiev. In this way, over time one can build up a personal supply of of great contacts with girls who are both inexpensive as p4p and beautiful.
But until you have developed a contact list of low priced Kiev p4p hotties, you will need to engage in the search as described above.
So I recommend for you a hybrid approach, nightclubs at night as you originally planned, but keep at it on collecting mamba contacts for daytime meetings.
If you succeed in getting a beauty from mamba to whom you paid 600 UAH ($75) or 800 UAH ($100) for an afternoon tryst and she was happy with that, you will appreciate the economy of that experience.
At some point, when you have enough very hot and sexy mamba contacts, you will decide, as I have done also, to meet with mamba girls at night also, and your nightclub / strip club forays will become more limited for new talent.
Now, I said before that using the Google Translator together with mamba, is better and more powerful than using Google Translate in a nightclub setting. The reason is that on mamba everything in the interaction with the girl, up until her actually being in your apartment for the purpose of fucking, can be done in writing, via messages written back and forth on mamba. However, in a nightclub scene you must interact directly with the girl face to face from the beginning. Obviously, when you are face to face with a girl, the need to type every part of the communication. Your questions or comments to her and her responses or questions to you. Can be a bit of a handicap. So working on a girl via written messages on mamba to get her set up to come to your apartment for paid sex, takes a lot of the "face-to-face" pressure off of you. Therefore, it turns out that using Google Translator to get a Russian speaking p4p girl into bed, is easier on mamba, than in a nightclub scene.
Yet love conquers all. So even in a nightclub, if a girl is interested in getting with you, she will have the patience necessary for communicating with you in her pigeon English together with written google-translated messages. Therefore you may just pull it off in a nightclub setting. But it's definitely more of a challenge in a nightclub face to face, than doing it as an armchair general from the comfort of your reclining chair while you're online, messaging on mamba.
True, even if you get her from mamba, when she finally arrives at your apartment, you will also be face to face with her and you will have to communicate awkwardly with written messages. But she is already there to fuck! So at that point what is required is just some pleasantries to break the ice before she goes to the bathroom to wash up before sex. When she rings your doorbell, all you have to do is open the door, greet her with a great big smile and say,"hello Privyet!" Lead her to your living room or kitchen table to sit down, offer her some nice drink and / or chocolates, be cute and lovable and ask her a few questions using the Google Translator, establish a nice rapport, and when you feel like it, suggest to her to go have a shower, and take it from there. She knows what to do. And in the bedroom, use sign language, and bring along the iPhone or laptop on a night table just in case you need to give her an instruction for what you want, and she doesn't understand your sign language. Break the ice even further by delivering some good DATY, if that is something you like (she will definitely take a nice shine to you after that). And have a great time having sex with her.
Now, it may interest you to know that what I just described, is precisely what I did just this past Tuesday afternoon, May 14, when I had a visit from Aleksandra from mamba. She spoke not a word of English. And she was all smiles with communicating on mamba and interacting with me in my kitchen and bedroom, all done with Google Translator in my iPhone. Aleksandra came to my apartment at 2:30 PM and left at 5:30. She had asked for 800 UAH for 1 hour on mamba. I gave her $150 and asked her if that was good. She smiled and nodded. Of course, there are greedier girls, but she was also dizzy from some pretty good sex, so she was happy. Another satisfied customer of yours truly. The same thing went down this past Saturday afternoon, May 18, with Senyorita of mamba at 12 noon, and with Julia from mamba at 3:00 pm. None of these girls spoke any English. But I was sweet and charming with them using Google Translate, made a nice rapport, and had great sex with them for $100, and they both stayed longer than precisely one hour and were not clock watchers. So I know this can be done. I'm not telling you to try do do anything that I have not done previously myself many times. It's tested and true advice. So get cracking on mamba, use the Translator to go after Russian speaking hotties, and don't limit yourself.
This is the considered advice and opinion given on this thread by the most senior members and veteran mongers of Kiev. That mamba. Ru is a monger's friend in Kiev and produces good results if used with some intelligence. And I am telling you that Just because you don't speak Russian is no reason to be deterred.
A key point to remember is that when you are looking for p4p, you are not really dating. P4p is about getting to the sex. After the sex the girl goes bye-bye. She doesn't stick around for more time than your dollars last. So you don't have to be the greatest conversationalist. You just have to be cute and charming, because admittedly a good rapport plays a role in getting GFE from a p4p girl. But you can be cute and charming and have a few laughs with the girl before you send her off to the showers, even when using a laptop computer or iPhone loaded with the Google Translate, even though you don't speak Russian.
I have been told by Russian speakers that the translation produced by Google Translate is sometimes ok, but often enough is bad. So they can tell that you are not a Russian speaker and will often answer you in English.
Anyway, if you look at a girl's profile and see English listed as a language she speaks, it only means she heard of the language in school. It doesn't mean she can speak it fluently, and more often than not, she cannot communicate in English. However, There are some girls on mamba who do speak English. Rog123 did not say what he based his opinion on when he said there were plenty of English speaking girls on mamba, but if he based it on them listing English as a spoken language on their profile, that would inflate the estimate well beyond my actual experience with girls on mamba. But the key point is that it doesn't make so much difference because you can go after all the girls you want and don't have to restrict yourself only to girls that list English on their profiles.
So compose a message in Russian using the Google Translator. Run the Russian language message you have just composed backwards from Russian back to English, through the translator also, to check that it means what you want to say. Make sure your message does NOT identify you as a sex tourist. That means, among other things, Do not ask questions about money or rates in connection with sex, before the girl has clearly indicated she is seeking p4p, by writing she is seeking meetings on "a material basis" (one of their code words for P4p) , or some other indication she wants money for the meeting. In your initial messages, Just indicate your interest in meeting with the girl. Humor works well in this context of messaging. But if you can't manage something witty, just offer some compliments based on their profiles, and send it off to each girl that interests you. Most will not answer. Some will. Continue the conversation by messaging back and forth in Russian. The P4p girls will identify themselves soon enough and you can take it from there.
If you get a response that is some sort of wise-ass question back from a girl asking "meeting for what" or "what purpose meeting", it is probably the girl testing to see if you are a sex tourist or not. She may even send a message back asking,"Intim?" (another code-word for p4p) , which I believe is also a test to see if I am simply a sex tourist. If I wanted to, I would turn the question around and ask that girl what she is seeking and,"Are you seeking or offering intim?", just. But I usually don't break my cover and I respond that I want to meet them "to enjoy their company." Or because I am looking for friendships or relationships as indicated in my profile. If they are interested they will continue the conversation. If I want to be more aggressive in pursuit, I turn the question around and write that I saw in their profile that they too are interested in the same things, friendship and relationship, and if they would like to meet a good-looking, very nice man, who is intelligent, witty, lots of fun to be with "and very generous", then let's meet. Any p4p or sponsor minded girl will pick up on the mention of being "very generous". While it could simply mean you would take them out on nice and enjoyable dates, It is also a code-word hint that they could possibly expect some of that generosity to be expressed in the form of a money or other gift to themselves. So it will interest the p4p girls you are seeking. My point here is that you should be guarded in what you write before a girl has identified herself as p4p, because otherwise you will ruin any opportunity that might have existed for a freebie date with a regular girl.
There was some good advice posted recently in the last two or three months on this thread on how to do things on mamba. In fact, Go back in the thread and find my several previous posts about chasing p4p on mamba. Find the post by Irish Lad regarding chasing freebies on mamba and the related discussion. There are good posts by others too. You will benefit if you take the trouble to find these posts and to read the thread.
Happy Mongering.
LJ