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[QUOTE=Banana Boi;1361286]Other than GT and ACA, which club (s) in the NRW region would have the most girls from a Sunday to Tuesday afternoon?[/QUOTE]Probably Villa Vertigo is best and to a lesser extent Planet Happy Garden but mainly in the evening. This is my experience.

Villa Vertigo is not so much a problem on a Sunday since there is the free entry for men on the Sunday if the man enter the club any of Monday to Saturday prior to that Sunday.

Take out the problem in the first place and avoid going on a Sunday, Monday or a Tuesday if this is going to be a big issue.

[QUOTE=Yakob;1361296]Take out the problem in the first place and avoid going on a Sunday, Monday or a Tuesday if this is going to be a big issue.[/QUOTE]My FKK trips are usually 9 or 10 days so there is a Sun-Tue in there somewhere. I'm sure the girls at GT and ACA who I don't session with want to see me 9 days in a row. LOL

[QUOTE=Banana Boi;1361301]My FKK trips are usually 9 or 10 days so there is a Sun-Tue in there somewhere. I'm sure the girls at GT and ACA who I don't session with want to see me 9 days in a row. LOL[/QUOTE]Take the Sundays to Tuesdays as rest days. Go to Park Sauna Residenz and enjoy the a la carte menu or the live cooking at Magnum or Das 5 Element.

There is a wealth of places to go.

With that much time and a good car you can even drive to Artemis in Berlin for a day or two and see Angus Magee and Kimino.

For Sunday I would go to Villa Vertigo. Monday is GT and Tuesday I may try Happy Garden or do Happy Garden for Monday and get the Gambas day If I remember right I no check their website. You like Gambas?

You do not need to be hung up on GT and Acapulco.

Even take in Babylon or Yin Yang too in the same area.

[QUOTE=Yakob;1361306]Yin Yang too in the same area.[/QUOTE]Yin Yang is only a good relax option when in the summer with their outdoor setup. Other than that the food is plain awful and the lineup's never been its strong suit. I love to wind down at World on a Monday, huge club to get lost in. 3 for 2 entry, good food and free beer.

interesting ted talk here:

[url]http://yourbrainonporn.com/[/url]

this researcher brings up a lot of interesting concepts in this ted talk. i wonder about the parallels between the effects of porn on the brain versus the effects of fkk use on the brain.

a few blurbs:

apparently, it's not just nudity that excites us but novelty of experience also plays a big role. our brain releases dopamine in our brains for every novel sexual exposure. apparently, according to this researcher, our brains rewires itself to reinforce this cycle. so, the earlier in life we are exposed to high speed internet porn (i. e. unlimited sexual novelty) , the more our brains will rewire itself in this way.

research studies about the effects of using internet porn are hampered by the inability to find control groups. one researcher observed that he couldn't find any college-aged males who weren't using internet porn. that's funny.

he mentions some psychological effects of internet porn addiction. apparently, our brains are wired to reward ourselves with a pleasure response upon arousal, which in turn reinforces our cravings for more. ultimately though, he says that the addicts experience a "numbed-pleasure response" upon excessive porn consumption, requiring more and more exposure to more and more extreme porn, leading to will-power erosion, and changes to the frontal cortex. like other addictions, use of too much internet porn leads to a less activation based on similar stimuli.

who cares? apparently, too much internet porn is affecting sexual performance of young men. erectile dysfunction. their brains experience less sensitization from exposure to porn the more they use porn.

he then talks about porn-induced erectile dysfunction and the number of months one has to be away from porn to be cured from porn-induced erectile dysfunction, which interestingly differs for young men versus old men. he hypothesizes that the difference in time periods is due to the timing of the arrival of high speed internet. apparently, old guys didn't have high speed porn when they were young, so their brains didn't rewire themselves in the same way that the young guys brains are rewiring themselves today, so old guys only have to give up porn for 2 months to recover from porn-induced erectile dysfunction whereas young guys have to go without for 4-5 months.

anyways, this whole talk makes me wonder, not about internet porn but about my use of fkk's. it reminds me of a chat i had in living room one evening with a german guy and his dutch friend during the dinner. back then, i was fairly new to the fkk scene, and i remember him telling me that the more time you spend in the fkk's, the more crazy stuff you will get into later, and the more you will go down the slippery slope so to speak. we all start out just with the normal blowjob / sex, but then before you know it, it seems like the older guys are getting into weirder and weirder stuff. this guy i was chatting with started out normal like me, but then started telling me about all the weird shit he is into now. so, it makes me wonder if i'll become one of those guys one day.

i suspect that the fkk use contributes to the extreme withdrawal feeling i experience when i'm away. the first week back is tough. the intense loneliness is tough. it gets easier after a few weeks away, but man, that first week of withdrawal is tough. then, the obsessive thoughts are another thing that makes me wonder. sometimes, i think about fkk's pretty much all day, every day. i wonder if there are some parallels between this guy's research and fkk use.

i suppose it's probably so much easier for you guys who live there in germany. you don't have to experience the withdrawal like those us living on another continent. you can go satisfy your cravings whenever you need to. then again, maybe i'm lucky i don't live there, which puts a natural cap on my number of fkk visits.

I'm not sure if there is any scientific research on my thoughts, but maybe instead of looking at the question of internet porn as being purely an individual issue (in the same way as the US and UK to varying degrees look to individual mental issues as being solely responsible for many things e. g, porn addiction, poverty, crime, gun crime, riots, religious extremism etc) maybe we should also look at the society's norms within which the individual has to operate. In short I wonder if porn addiction is greater in free societies where social norms are most hostile, and less in societies where social norms are more tolerant. The more porn is seen as just an element of normal life, the fewer mental issues arise in us as individuals and we are likely to need it less as a way of compensating for problems caused by societal norms or our own emotional backgrounds.

A very simplistic generalisation I know.

[QUOTE=RonnieNorway; 1361368]I guess I am the same boat as you are in. But as you say living far away from germany does put a natural cap on things.

But seriously what weirder can you do? For me the only things the girl does is blowjob, cim, sex and anal. How much weirder can you get?

But for me tha main addiction is well is the touch of a women, well lets face it most of the men on this forum don't have a healthy relationship with women. So to compensate we pay for love / sex. Sounds pathetic but it is reality. That is why we have lots of mongerscraving for GFE type of girls.

As a summary from what you have stated fkk is an addiction. We use the girls (drugs) to compensate somthing that we really need or crave in the real world (the touch, company and care of a women). We can get the real thing so we go for something artificial (paid sex). And like drugs your body get use to the same dose (normal sex acts) so you need more (weirder sex I guess). Mongers = addicts sadly. How long am I going to be addicted I have no idea?

But I think the women are addicts to but in their case it is addiction to money. A girl there told me how at first she don't do cim or anal and slowly now she does it saying as the money is good.

Anyway time will tell but I do plan to see my favourite girl one last time. Well I hope she is still there.[/QUOTE]Where do you get this feminist drivel? Could it be from the creatins here who refer to ladies as bitches and hos? Or maybe those who revel in the PSE and brag about abusing the girls. I can tell you most of the Europeans who go to clubs do not think or act this way. They do not have trouble finding girls for sex. They view sex as another of life's pleasures like food and fine wines. They take pleasure in the courtesan and the variety. They go to a club, not because of desperation, but because of the diversity of the girls, the skill in various sex acts, and the honesty of the situation. Rather than trolling clubs or maniputating girls into having sex when you have no intention of a relationship, these mongers seek out those who willing provide services instead of coersing those who do not. It is a relationship that is beneficial to both the working girls and those who love them. The girls who work the clubs are not addicts. Most view it as an easy way to make $$$ vs alternative jobs. Some even enjoy aspects of their work-until they meet people like you who have no respect for them and think 50E gives you the right to do as you please.

[QUOTE=Akibono;1361409]They view sex as another of life's pleasures like food and fine wines. They take pleasure in the courtesan and the variety. They go to a club, not because of desperation, but because of the diversity of the girls, the skill in various sex acts, and the honesty of the situation. Rather than trolling clubs or maniputating girls into having sex when you have no intention of a relationship, these mongers seek out those who willing provide services instead of coersing those who do not.[/QUOTE]Very well said Akibono. No one to take out to dinner when food is not your goal, no one calling you up the next day or waiting for a call. No ones games to put up with. You go to disneyland, pay the ticket, have great great fun all day and shouldn't be upset if donald duck doesn't call you up the next day to say hi.

Much more honest, or at least direct, from both sides.

I think that most of the issues begin when people look for the wrong thing in the wrong place. But in an fkk it's only the guys that might fall in error and look for the wrong thing.

IMHO.

Kimino

You pay the girl so she leaves after the time paid.

HB

A couple of my fav's at this club said to me that their "boyfriends" got wind of some mongers going around spreading herpes and syphilis and got very angry. I'm not inclined to mention names of the SPs or club in order to protect the innocent, but this reminded me of Rajiv6969 who has gone silent since his initial posts a few weeks ago. Really hope that it's just a coincidence and nothing happened to him or anyone else. It's not worth it man.

This made me realize why the SPs would want to keep boyfriends or managers. It is not as dysfunctional as one might think.

[QUOTE=Atooz; 1361476]A couple of my fav's at this club said to me that their "boyfriends" got wind of some mongers going around spreading herpes and syphilis and got very angry. I'm not inclined to mention names of the SPs or club in order to protect the innocent, but this reminded me of Rajiv6969 who has gone silent since his initial posts a few weeks ago. Really hope that it's just a coincidence and nothing happened to him or anyone else. It's not worth it man.

This made me realize why the SPs would want to keep boyfriends or managers. It is not as dysfunctional as one might think.[/QUOTE]I guess the boyfriends are trying to protect their income earning assets. A girl that is sick or put out of action does not make money for them. Makes commercial sense. If the reason is a person spreading diseases then these guys have no qualms about correcting the situation which is what you are implying.

As to your second point I am really not sure we should be supporting that the girls have "boyfriends" or managers. It is really disheartening when a girl you find a favourite has a pimp manager who takes all her money. You hear about the financial targets the girls have to achieve and you realise with the business as slow as it is in this financial crisis that they will no achieve it. So when the time runs out the rate goes up since they not make financial target and the cycle continues.

This is why you see some girls cry, stressed, continously smoking since they are nervous when there are no customers or they no make any money.

The other implication you make is that there are pimps reading this forum too as well as the girls which we already know that they do.

[QUOTE=Indi Companion;1358964]The story Melissa told you is true and well known. I also know where the guy was from and where the happy couple is still living now. It can happen, even if it is statistically close to 0.[/QUOTE]I think it helped that her manager was caught by the police and went away for a while.

I like a happy ending. Good luck to them.

[QUOTE=Ultrahappy;1361345]. I wonder if there are some parallels between this guy's research and fkk use.[/QUOTE]You raise some good points there. I actually believe that FKKs and other brothels are way worse than porn. Using porn, so effectively staring on a screen, can by no means compare to the sensations you get from real contact with a woman so you will always have something extra going when you actually meet up. But in FKKs, not only do you get a lot of the things you get from a real life woman, you get much more. Sexual practices few women do, semi-public sex, the sensation from being in a room with up to 100 naked attractive girls trying to convince you to have sex. Could you ever get that otherwise? Yes, it certainly leads to blunting, and can have side effects like ED, for sure, but that depends very much on the individual. What to do about it? On the site you link they appear to advocate abstinence. That may work for some, but, in general, abstinence and prohibition have never worked and never will. So I guess you just have to learn to live with it.

[QUOTE=Ultrahappy;1361345]I suppose it's probably so much easier for you guys who live there in Germany. You don't have to experience the withdrawal like those us living on another continent. You can go satisfy your cravings whenever you need to. Then again, maybe I'm lucky I don't live there, which puts a natural cap on my number of fkk visits.[/QUOTE]Oh, I can't hear that anymore. Yes, we are so lucky in Germany, we can go to the FKK club anytime, we don't have to work, we don't have social obligations, we don't have to keep our home in order, we don't have to go to the gym or other activities, and for sure, we have an unlimited amount of money as well even after subtracting all our regular expenses. Not to mention that only a minority of Germans live nearby quality FKK clubs. But I guess that's another thing about the above mentioned blunting, I'm sure many foreigners would be happy to live nearby a crap FKK clubs. But I think you're getting what I'm trying to say. There are many things that keep you from visiting the clubs even remotely as often as you would like or as you could afford to financially. When some foreigners go on their extended club tours two or three times a year, they probably visit the clubs just as often or even more as the average German clientele. For sure, there are also some Germans who are hardcore addicted and go to the clubs all the time neglecting a lot of other things but they have to have a big wallet and not mind the implications it will have.

[QUOTE=Yakob;1361501]The other implication you make is that there are pimps reading this forum too[/QUOTE]Well, you can bet on that. Not sure about this very international forum, but local forums, for sure. And not only that, they will often try to plant stories, positive or negative, about certain girls or places. But there is also a lot of hysteria about that. I participated in local forums quite a bit, and you can be sure, if you mention a girl or place too positively a few times, you will almost certainly be accused of being a pimp or owner of the place sooner or later. But a lot of this stuff is real also, you can easily see that because it's often performed very poorly. Also, according to local board administrators, they receive a lot of threats from pimps and "managers" if the reporting is not according to their business plans.

About Rajy69. If he's not a complete idiot, and mentioned his forum I'd at Oase, he probably has little to fear, nobody knows who he is, where he stayed etc. There are up to 400 mongers visiting Oase every day, with quite a few Asians. But actually if you are a regular monger at a certain place, things are a little bit different. It is actually common practice and well accepted on German boards to confuse a few unimportant details at your actual reports, like the day when you were at the club, the time you arrived, the order of the girls you visited, the food you ate, etc. In order not to make it not too easy to identify you. I do that too, just FYI. Many girls and "managers" do not like this open reporting about venues for various reasons and that's putting it very mildly. Remember, no matter how nice it looks, it's an underworld environment, gentlemen.

[QUOTE=RonnieNorway;1361368]But I think the women are addicts to but in their case it is addiction to money. A girl there told me how at first she don't do cim or anal and slowly now she does it saying as the money is good.[/QUOTE]You find that many girls work in the clubs since they have been "got to" by a bad man. Call him a boyfriend, a manager or a pimp. There are various coercive methods that are employed to get the girls to work. They have their financial targets ("abstandgeld"). For the girls that live with their boyfriend and who drops them off at the club and picks them up, the girl brings their money to them everyday. Of course there are reprimands and punishments for not making target. You see the odd bruise that the make up does not cover up. You can notice these girls more since they are branded like cows with their manager's names. It can be really interesting seeing these names and making a pattern of which managers have the mosts girls. They do spread the girls around and dictate where the girls work.

I recall one instance in a McDonalds where the girls were having a meal after finishing their shift. One of the girls receives a SMS and she looks up after reading it and says she is being moved. The next day she was gone from her club and her girlfriends did not know where she went until weeks later. She ended up in another club that she was unhappy at since she had no friends there because her manager thought she could make more money there. It is interesting when you read the reports saying she is missing from X club then later on seeing a report saying she has turned up at Y club with the background of that move.

You chat to some girls and you say,"Why don't you work at such and such club?" and the reply is that they do not have a choice and it is not so simple to just move or some other excuse. Some managers are flexible on where girls work provided that they make their instalments against financial target.

Then there are the girls that look like they work free since they drive themselves to the club or come in a taxi, they go home for visits and can go shopping and hang out with friends. The difference is that they pay a runner their money at intervals towards their financial target which the targets from what I have seen appear to be over an annual span. If they do not make target then the target is increased for the interest of not having achieved target. So you get a vicious circle where the girl can never leave the manager.

You find that the girls that did not do certain sex acts before become more and more accepting of doing the harder sex acts since it generates them the additional money to pay off the manager but also to send home to their families. This is why you get many girls trying to upsell and say that additional services can be provided. They need the money. So please do not get so upset when a girl upsells. There is may be a reason. This could be one of those reasons.

[QUOTE=Kimino;1361461]I think that most of the issues begin when people look for the wrong thing in the wrong place. But in an fkk it's only the guys that might fall in error and look for the wrong thing.[/QUOTE]I think it really stupid when a girl that has been "got to" finally pays off her Romanian "boyfriend" then picks up a local Hells Angel boyfriend. The girl says that the new boyfriend is good, strong and looks after her. Later on you can see the girl change from the free and happy girl that no push for a room, happy to chat back to the I need to make money mode. So it is also the girls that fall in error and look for the wrong thing.