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[QUOTE=Daddy07;1453199]Sorry to be negative but just trying to tell it like it is.[/QUOTE]One has to say things as they are. Suggest some soapie if you know.
Too bad the discos not any better. I've meet four or five girls in a row with horrible, unstable attitudes, let alone the looks that were just above average. By now I think I know all their faces. There is only one left that tickles my fantasy, a very cute spinner with the five columns tattoo, but I can tell for sure she only does as she please. To go there has become just some sort of pastime for me. Actually yesterday Beach Road had better looking girls that Walking Street. I had plenty of good sex from the lover so I did not took any.
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Daddy07,
As you and I know living here, and although I'm not the King like you but just serve as a body guard for you. The list you provided is a short one and let's not forget all the ones that have open in the L. K. Area. Same concept a mix and match of ownership trying to drive the market up. I know the guy that own and ran the old location where Dreams is located and had heard the market concept they have with the new clubs to confirm my opinions regarding these clubs. Pattaya is going through a massive change right now and slowly it will affect some of the older more established clubs which again has already happen in my opinion.
How it all shakes out is anyone guess, personally I hope the majority of them fail but not all since that would give the established one to monopoly the market to do something even more stupid?
I agree with you about the soapy but I can't swim.
LBM
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Changes in Pattaya
First went to Pattaya in 1978 and have seen so many changes over the ensuing 35 years that are certainly not for the good.
Spent 5 days at Sea Me Spring hotel due to a recommendation from an earlier poster. Join for 350Bt and you get 350Bt off the daily room rate. That means 1500 a night. It was 500Bt discount in July. I would thoroughly recommend this hotel on Soi10 and especially so to people who have not been to Pattaya before. The rooms are large, clean and there is little culture shock that can be found in the cheaper hotels. Opposite there is a buffet breakfast for 99Bt at Sawasdee hotel that is OK for quantity but poor in quality. The coffee is crap but there are other options fairly nearby.
I have always been successful in finding what I want in Bamboo Bar at the end of Beach Road close to the entrance to Walking Street. The girls vary in age from 25 to 40 and I had zero problem at 1500Bt all night with girls that spoke English. Of course there is no bar fine and drinks are the same for men and women. These women want to get laid and I have rarely found a poor performer. I took three girls over a 3 night period and all were great in bed, stayed for breakfast and screwed again after that. The hotel phones the room when they go down to pick up their ID card.
I enjoy massages and as always every massage place offers the same price and service on Beach Road and Second St. For those of you who have not been to Soi 13 on the opposite side to Beach Road off Second Road go up it to Soi Metro. Prices are half and the services the same. Hard to get FS but a hand job is always available for 200Bt tip.
Enjoy the wet weather.
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[QUOTE=Kurre; 1453069]Let this following story serve as a lesson to those who seek to pick a "fresh" girl up from a beer bar. This all happened in February 2013.
9) Dream of a wedding.
Thursday morning was full of great expectations. Great sex was included in mine. But no girlfriend experience is complete without talk about wedding plans. Weddings by Mekong River are not expensive: 100 000 baht as dowry would also take care of catering and a small local band. She wrote the number 100 000 on a piece of paper and told me to keep it safe and think about. Now that talk had turned to money it was natural to discuss her mothers needs as a new widow. 1500 baht a day for the past four would be a good start. We agreed on 5000 baht so far and one more bar fine as there was a possibility of great sex. There was sex. After three hours of on-and-off shagging, DATY and all that old sin business I could not get my release. The picture of her mother and a piece of paper with hundred grand written on it were holding me back, not counting the fact that it was already day 10 of my Thailand trip. We went out to the town.[/QUOTE]Great post! This is the template for how most farang-bg relationships start! I loved the part about having to insert the tampon! It reminded me of this hilarious skit: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2-nBQMWimc[/url]
On a more serious note, just an FYI for the guys. If the lady is from a wealthy family, or the family has a high social status, then there are exceptions. But, as a general rule to absolutely live by, a sin sot is NEVER required if the lady has been previously married, or if she has children from a previous relationship, married or not. LEARN IT, LOVE IT, LIVE IT.
The sin sot has lots of cultural nuances, but essentially it was compensation to the family for loss of a daughter. The reason is that the daughters did all the work around the house. However, the quid pro quo was that she was to be a virgin. To this day most Thai guys like to marry a virgin, hence the problem puu ying Thai have with finding a husband if they have kids from a previous relationship.
100K baht would probably be OK for a young, unmarried, no kids farm girl from a modest family. It is most certainly about 95K baht too high for a girl with kids, working in a Pattaya beer bar.
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Required Reading
[QUOTE=Phordphan; 1453439]Great post! This is the template for how most farang-bg relationships start! I loved the part about having to insert the tampon! It reminded me of this hilarious skit:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2-nBQMWimc[/url]
On a more serious note, just an FYI for the guys. If the lady is from a wealthy family, or the family has a high social status, then there are exceptions. But, as a general rule to absolutely live by, a sin sot is NEVER required if the lady has been previously married, or if she has children from a previous relationship, married or not. LEARN IT, LOVE IT, LIVE IT.[/QUOTE]"Private Dancer" . It is all there and should be required reading for all newbies.
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[QUOTE=Scorchin;1453448]"Private Dancer" . It is all there and should be required reading for all newbies.[/QUOTE]Never got around to reading it, but I've heard it was good. I'll get a copy.
I learned all this from a "good" Thai lady. The bar girls certainly aren't going to tell you this! :D :D :D
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I have read a bunch of books including Private Dancer, one of the best if you are in a relationship is " Thailand Fever" but no matter what book they fail to point blank tell you regarding Sin Sot in Thailand this rule like many does not hold for Thais yet it does for a Farang especially if they are a bar girl.
I know a lot of Farang that live here married or in a relationship and one might be able to use reasoning that this is how much they are worth, because of this or that and they can say they understand and get it down to nearly nothing but sooner or later it will come back to bit them in the ass one way or another. Reading, saying and doing is two different things?
One thing I know if the parents first hand starts demanding that is when you start running but of course that is a individual choice?
LBM
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[QUOTE=BigJohn1196; 1453392]First went to Pattaya in 1978 and have seen so many changes over the ensuing 35 years that are certainly not for the good.
Spent 5 days at Sea Me Spring hotel due to a recommendation from an earlier poster. Join for 350Bt and you get 350Bt off the daily room rate. That means 1500 a night. It was 500Bt discount in July.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. Sounds like you had a good time.
Did you notice much construction noise during your stay on Soi 10?
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Who would have thought a book about bargirls and marriges would become like a Bible. Who in their right mind would marry a hooker. LOL?
No offense to many here who have. LOL.
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[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1453514]I have read a bunch of books including Private Dancer, one of the best if you are in a relationship is " Thailand Fever" but no matter what book they fail to point blank tell you regarding Sin Sot in Thailand this rule like many does not hold for Thais yet it does for a Farang especially if they are a bar girl[/QUOTE]I'm half way through Thailand Fever right now. It is definitely about relationships with bar girls because it is far away from the point of any non-sex workers that I know. Another book I'm reading now is My Name is Lon. You Like Me? I'm not too fond of that one. It is written by an American guy supposedly from the point of view of the girl. For me it goes to shit with him adding all kinds of NGO statistics in as if it is from the girl's own thinking.
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[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1453514]I have read a bunch of books including Private Dancer, one of the best if you are in a relationship is " Thailand Fever" but no matter what book they fail to point blank tell you regarding Sin Sot in Thailand this rule like many does not hold for Thais yet it does for a Farang especially if they are a bar girl.
I know a lot of Farang that live here married or in a relationship and one might be able to use reasoning that this is how much they are worth, because of this or that and they can say they understand and get it down to nearly nothing but sooner or later it will come back to bit them in the ass one way or another. Reading, saying and doing is two different things?
One thing I know if the parents first hand starts demanding that is when you start running but of course that is a individual choice?
LBM[/QUOTE]The obvious solution is to avoid marrying a bar girl. Loads of nice ladies running around the country. Why does anybody want that kind of misery?
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Ditto
[QUOTE=Betong; 1450424]I think at this point you casually ram your manhood up the backside of the girl from the 'wrong' side of the line, while dialing up a mate on your cellphone and inquiring about some sports score.
It's true, the Eden and DD girls can be a bit of a challenge because they're so used to getting away with their standard procedures. But if you make it clear to them that you're expecting more, and then really take control, most of them can rise to the occasion.[/QUOTE]Same thing happened with me as well. Got to the point when it was too noisy. Constant chit chat between the two DD girls and little action. Now I do only out calls to my room one at a time.
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Mr. E, and P. P.
As for Thailand Fever, it is a very informative book and the one noted item in the book is and it has been a long long time since I read it is that if you are in a relationship with a Thai, if she doesn't read it consider the relationship over and if you are already in a relationship and she has family living with you and he / she refuses to read it even when you offer them money. Pack their bags and tell them to leave asap!
The remarks to not marry a Thai as the solution I agree is best but being individuals like everything we read here on this board we are all different that is just our make up. I been through hell and back but still find myself drawn to things that are forbidden so I can return to hell again. Maybe that is why when I went to the Thai temple the monk ended up telling me to leave and never come back?
People can read this book, and not everything is spell out one has to really have a good head on their shoulders to be able to read between the lines to truly understand what is being said in the books. Sadly even when you experience some of the situation noted in the book it isn't easy to deal with when the situation and emotions are in play. I have a family member that I gave the book to years ago he was making many of the mistake noted in the book and after reading it he said he understood a lot more now. A few days later he took me he couldn't have coffee in the morning he said he was going to the village of a girl he just met a few days ago to tag along to visit the parents but we are just friends. I guess he missed the part of meeting the girls parents if he doesn't intend to marry?
The author of the book doesn't live too far from where I use to live and years ago I contacted her and met her. It should be remember she was married to a Farang and they both co-wrote the book but today are divorced? No matter if they are bargirls or not from books people are reading I have lean the culture beliefs to a degree is embedded in every part of their society from top to bottom. I've concluded that the higher the education level the easier they are to deal with along with family. A bigger plus is if they have been abroad and educated that is even better but they all have a problem with loosing face and when they do people make decision when they are angry and that isn't good in my book?
LBM
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[QUOTE=Phordphan;1453578]The obvious solution is to avoid marrying a bar girl. Loads of nice ladies running around the country. Why does anybody want that kind of misery?[/QUOTE]It might be something that started back in their home country. Namely that they are afraid of normal women that it will take more than just passing money to in order to get them.
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[QUOTE=Phordphan;1453578]The obvious solution is to avoid marrying a bar girl. Loads of nice ladies running around the country. Why does anybody want that kind of misery?[/QUOTE]True enough and good advice. I'd offer a slightly more comprehensive approach however for all of any age or nationality.
Forget marriage altogether. Done. Purge it from our collective memories till it becomes no more than a rarely used word such as ancient Greek or some other dead language.
Even if children are desired why introduce any government regulations into our already much government interfered with lives and in such a sensitive area as emotion!
Marriage only helps the woman financially. There is no manly benefit either emotionally, faithfully or otherwise. And no other benefit for the woman either except as a subject of sympathy when the man fucks up.
Selective cohabitation should fill the need if one feels it that strongly.
If she wants you to wear a ring that's fine but don't sign the papers!