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[QUOTE=Angus Magee]Yes-but the drawback is that you have to suck cock and lick hairy balls as opposed to licking pussy.
No contest.
I have heard from on girl of guys sucking each other off in the downstairs kino but have seen no evidence of this myself. But I do not ever go in the downstairs kino anyway. So if this is the gay territory I guess I can live with it.
I personally do not fully believe this rumor of gays lurking in Artemis, along with the one of the mythical sauna club where CDLs go on their days off to pay guys to ejaculate on their faces.
Why on earth would a gay men pay 80 Euros to get into Artemis when he could probably pay a tenth of that to get into a gay bath house? Maybe some gays dream of seducing horny straight men who have run out of cash at Artemis, but I doubt it.[/QUOTE]Gays in the downtown cinema? Really?
I haven't seen that in Artemis.
It should be nearly unbelievable I think. What would security do in this case?
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Just Curious...
Why would a girl sign up for fucking say 50 men a week at an FKK when she could quite easily fuck say 6 men picked up in a club for much the same money??
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Looking for able girls
Well this bunette did not actually suck me up to the balls but could take 4/5th of my 22cm penis in her mouth. She is not around anymore.
I am looking for that kind of girl, if anyone has seen or done this kind of girl and knows their name and place of work.
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[QUOTE=Henrim]I visited Artemis several times last year and I was lucky enough to find a 1,70cm brunette who could deep throat me 30 minutes the right way, taking it up to the balls. This is not common since I have a rather large penis ( 22 cm and quite thick if I believe the girls).[/QUOTE]
Stop bragging;)
[QUOTE=Henrim] size is not really a plus for me because I also like anal and few girls accept it. Anyone knows FKK girls who have really deep throated well large ones ? Be it in Berlin or elsewhere ?[/QUOTE]
I wonder if it was Aida you saw? She is very tall (maybe even more than 1,70cm)/ Russian and can swallow a cock whole. But she has not been sighted at Artemis for more than I year now I believe.
The two Artemis ladies who come to mind are Ella (Russian, blond page boy cut hair, somewhere in her thirties I guess) and Conchetta (German, brunette, very pretty face, late twenties and come from Köln).
Of the two you have a better chance of running into Ella as she is more often there. Conchetta lives out of town and works Artemis a couple of weeks pre month.
Good luck and do not forget to report....
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[quote=suppenhuhn]it should be nearly unbelievable i think. what would security do in this case?[/quote]
security would probably throw them out. that is if it got too obvious. but as i understand it gay men (not all but some) have a long tradition of public gay sex (public toilets, parks) and are pretty good at getting it done with no one knowing.
but really-gay sex at artemis (or bi) is at the level of rumor as far as i can tell. i personally have never seen evidence. but then i do not visit the lower kino at all so it could be.
i suggest we let this topic rest until such time as one of us gets ass raped in the kino-just kidding;))
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[QUOTE=Fox7717]Why would a girl sign up for fucking say 50 men a week at an FKK when she could quite easily fuck say 6 men picked up in a club for much the same money??[/QUOTE]
I think mostly because heading out to a club and finding the high paying customers night after night is not as easy as you think. Same as why we mongers do not head out to normal clubs looking for girls willing to play4pay. Sure there may be guys looking for paid action, but how does a girl find them?
At Artemis everybody knows why you are there and it is way easier.
Also a girl at a club trolling for guys has not much protection. Artemis provides the security and the girls have each other for moral support. This is way more important than you might think.
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i just come back from some hollydays spent in italy and i read this discussion about the - lets say : strange - behaviour of italian guys in a. some explanations , may be : officially, prostitution in italy is illegal, but the prosecution of this crime is decided by local authorities. and it is very common that police-officers use the services of bordellos and they have to pay. corruption and blackmail is a genuine part of political and social life in bella italia. freer-lancers risk to be raped by policemen or to be cheated by prime-ministers... the fact, that imported girls from ee cannot complain to the police delivers them completely to brutal and well organized pimp-gangs. clubs like artemis or agencies like kamilla dee are unimaginable in italy, reliable and clean clubs are very expensive. so italian guys think in germany or cr everything is allowed. last weekend a cab-driver in milano told me, that in his eyes prostitutes are just animals. you use them but you dont owe them any respect. on the highway from siena to perugia i once saw a police-raid, collecting unlucky girls from somalia. ok, mussolini is dead, but...
certo, no sonno tutti cosi. but i think the behaviour of italians shows a lack of culture.
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I just discover a big mistake : Police-officers using bordellos do NOT have to pay, for surer. - Sorry : SC
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[quote=severin carl]i just come back from some hollydays spent in italy and i read this discussion about the - lets say : strange - behaviour of italian guys in a. some explanations , may be : officially, prostitution in italy is illegal, but the prosecution of this crime is decided by local authorities. and it is very common that police-officers use the services of bordellos and they have to pay. corruption and blackmail is a genuine part of political and social life in bella italia. freer-lancers risk to be raped by policemen or to be cheated by prime-ministers... the fact, that imported girls from ee cannot complain to the police delivers them completely to brutal and well organized pimp-gangs. clubs like artemis or agencies like kamilla dee are unimaginable in italy, reliable and clean clubs are very expensive. so italian guys think in germany or cr everything is allowed. last weekend a cab-driver in milano told me, that in his eyes prostitutes are just animals. you use them but you dont owe them any respect. on the highway from siena to perugia i once saw a police-raid, collecting unlucky girls from somalia. ok, mussolini is dead, but...
certo, no sonno tutti cosi. but i think the behaviour of italians shows a lack of culture.[/quote]
please cut the crap on mussolini and culture in general, give us a break!
there are attitudes for sure but this kind of speaking makes sense like saying that englishmen don't wash their ass, that americans can't find france on a map and germans love to burn jews.
please...
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[QUOTE=Severin Carl] But I think the behaviour of Italians shows a lack of culture.[/QUOTE]
Before the Artemis thread descends in to becoming the "All Italians are shits" thread (and I know that is not necessarily what you are saying SC) I think we should revise, at least I will take it upon myself to revise, the above to-The behavior of [B]some[/B] Italians shows a lack of culture.But they are certainly not alone in this.
I do not think Italy or Italians are by nature culture-less rubes. It is just that as a nation they may share a shadow identity that puts women(who*es in particular) down. After all, the Madonna/Who*e complex was probably born in Italy, where by every woman is a reflection of either THE MOTHER (Madonna) or THE WHO*E (Mary Magdalena). Simply there are the women you marry and then those you fuck. But I also might ad that the Italian cultue is by no means alone in disrespecting working girls. Look at the US of A, or anywhere really, but especially where prostitution is criminalized.
In the end I think it comes down to how we, the individual men who visit the individual girls in real time, act towards them. Do we also, as in any good business deal, take a bit of time to reflect that the girl is getting what she needs in the deal? Money yes, but also a bit of respect and recognition.
I can not change anyone else's behavior. But it is my duty as a human being to take a look at my own and be responsible, that is own it as mine.
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One final P.S.-I think it good to remember that even in Nazi Germany earlier in this century most folks were not "Jew hating Nazis". Most people were just plain folk trying to survive a crazy situation. But as the Nazi were so damn "loud" this is what gets remembered. The loud obnoxious ones are the ones we see, the quieter decent folks tend to vanish. But there are almost always more of them than of the loud ones.
Good to remember when national characteristics get discussed on the internet.
Regards-Angus, thinking of changing his name to Ghandi.
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[QUOTE=Kimino]englishmen don't wash their ass.[/QUOTE]
As a Scotsman Kimino, I can assure you that indeed Englishmen do not wash their asses-or their peckers for that matter;)
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[QUOTE=Angus Magee]As a Scotsman Kimino, I can assure you that indeed Englishmen do not wash their asses-or their peckers for that matter;)
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Anyways, next time I go to Artemis I'll speak french.
Call me Kiminň from now on!
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The thing is that in Artemis, the Italians are just so visible! Large groups of them come in and wander around en masse. Inevitably they make alot of noise (because of their numbers, not any racial trait), so they get noticed. When one or two act like cocks, it gets noticed.
Equally I guess that the ladies are happy to receive their Euros.
As an Englishman, I would like to state that I do wash my cock and arse, in the Spring and Autumn, without fail.
I do not wear a skirt. Unlike Scotsmen.
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[QUOTE=Angus Magee]One final P.S.-I think it good to remember that even in Nazi Germany earlier in this century most folks were not "Jew hating Nazis". Most people were just plain folk trying to survive a crazy situation. But as the Nazi were so damn "loud" this is what gets remembered.[/QUOTE]Fucking hell, Angus!
Do you really want to go there?
I think that it is fair today to say that German people are amongst the most liberal and socially inclusive and least prejudiced of all the European nations. It is also true to say that Jewish people enjoyed generous German hospitality for many decades before the ascent to power of the Nazis. However, your widespread exoneration of the behaviour of German citizens during the thirties and forties is tough to support. Modern-day Germans appear to have accepted the principle of collective historic responsibility for the crimes of their predecessors during this period and this appears to me to be appropriate. 'Alone in Berlin' by Hans Fallada is an interesting account by a Berliner of everyday life in Nazi Germany that has only recently come to light and entered publication. I found it very educational. Whilst the book does not in any particular way focus on issues of Jewish persecution, it certainly doesn't serve to support your viewpoint either.
I think that there is far too much national stereotyping on this forum. Whether it be the suggestion that Romanian girls are generally poor SP's, or that Italian males are badly behaved guests or that clubs in Hessen are right to exclude Turkish guests as potential pimps, these blanket generalisations have no place in an arena such as this.
I see this forum as a facility for objective critical analysis of our experiences as punters in the world of P4P. There are plenty of other internet media for the expression of racial and national pre-conceptions; I always avoid them.
Let's please not allow the distinguished debate that characterises this forum to degenerate into an international bitching parlour. That's what we have the United Nations for.
Peace to all [except the Inuit of course. Smelly, hairy, whale-murdering ice-monkeys]
Charlie
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[QUOTE=Charlie 123] 'Alone in Berlin' by Hans Fallada is an interesting account by a Berliner of everyday life in Nazi Germany.[/QUOTE]I've just finished that book Charlie and thought it was an excellent read. Although fictional, it is based on a true story and gives a great insight into the little known subject of dissidents to the Nazi regime. Reading the information about the author at the end of the book, he led an incredible life. Highly recommended.
Returning to topic, I am also English and wash. But only on days like today, when it's 27 degrees and after having to travel on the Tube.