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Just avoid all the tourists shitty clubs and you should be fine.
[QUOTE=Colforbin;2326890]I just left Oase for a Sunday afternoon. Lineup was awful. Like a bad RLD quality. Nothing above a 6. Very disappointing. Worst lineup I have seen in my 2 years FKKing.
Palace Saturday night was OK for me. 4 possibilities, with 1 stunner.
Sharks Friday night was also disappointing. 0 stunners for my eyes.
I love the FKK format with taking your pick from a room full of girls, but I am starting to think it is not worth the time and cost of traveling from the US. Unfortunately it sounds like the new law ruined FKKs and I missed the golden years.[/QUOTE]Did you Ike these clubs before the law change in 2017?
It is interesting that you like the visuals of girls in Palace but not Oase and Sharks. That is not the opinion of a majority I would think. However, for any monger, the non opinion that counts is what his own brain and dick tells him.
By and large, the law led to prices going up for certain services as girls feel they can offer just covered blow jobs and charge extra for a BBBJ. It has not led to a reduction of the number of girls nor their looks in my view, at least in the mega clubs.
Unfortunately, I didn't start visiting Frankfurt until January 2018, so I don't know what is what like before the law change, but from reading the forums it sounds like the quality has gone downhill. And I am referring to the registration law, not the condom law. It has to be 95%+ Romanian girls in these clubs. I'd like to see a wider variety.
I'm moving on to Switzerland now. Sounds like Globe has more of what I am looking for.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2326974]Did you Ike these clubs before the law change in 2017?
It is interesting that you like the visuals of girls in Palace but not Oase and Sharks. That is not the opinion of a majority I would think. However, for any monger, the non opinion that counts is what his own brain and dick tells him.
By and large, the law led to prices going up for certain services as girls feel they can offer just covered blow jobs and charge extra for a BBBJ. It has not led to a reduction of the number of girls nor their looks in my view, at least in the mega clubs.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Colforbin;2326890]I just left Oase for a Sunday afternoon. Lineup was awful. Like a bad RLD quality. Nothing above a 6. Very disappointing. Worst lineup I have seen in my 2 years FKKing.
Palace Saturday night was OK for me. 4 possibilities, with 1 stunner.
Sharks Friday night was also disappointing. 0 stunners for my eyes.
I love the FKK format with taking your pick from a room full of girls, but I am starting to think it is not worth the time and cost of traveling from the US. Unfortunately it sounds like the new law ruined FKKs and I missed the golden years.[/QUOTE]If you want to see few beauties who are in clubs, better to go on best casting days. Sunday at Oase is for sure not the best casting day, even on Friday 24 May, 3 of my 4 girls were not working, 1 is at home since Easter, 1 also at home, 1 should work but not, but I repeated with my last beauty and I wish she will understand. Also Michele, Estefania, Adela, Isabela, black Sara, a black model type, blond Stefani, Mady, Vera, Roxana, Alice silicon, Alina / Marina, blond Miki, Selena, Erika, also 1 with a bit reddish long hair who doesn't want to give her name, were working on this Friday. I was disappointed because I returned for my hot woman type who told me she would work, but didn t and next time we will have to talk again, I also don t go with many Oase girls because they are not interesting behavior for me, but at the moment, I don t see higher level for looks in Germany. Except Melissa and black Sara, I confirm for disappointing casting at Sharks on Friday 17 May, even Evita, Brenda, Rebeka, Jellis, ex claimed Greek Elektra, Leoni. De, Ester now silicon, Karin, Inca, Jenifer, Paloma, Debora, Selina, Selena, Sade, Edina, were working. Yes at Palace can sometimes find a beauty, but have to be lucky. Better to choose best days to visit to enjoy beauties.
For higher level for looks, Globe Zurich for 130€/30 mn. Best days from Thursday to Saturday. Sometimes can find Globe level for look and in bed in Germany, sometimes even for 100 for 1 hour, I even had one for only 50 € for 30 very full minutes for our discovery and I returned to World on next Saturday, but for 1 hour.
[QUOTE=Gino02;2326101]...Visiting Romania with her is even cheaper, about 400-500 e per day, or could even be free if she really likes you (doesn't need to "love" you)...[/QUOTE]Why it is better deal when you visiting Romania with the girl? While inside Romanian she will want to visiting her family and not the customer I think. Does she expecting you to pay her plane ticket from Frankfurt? And why not take the girl to other Schengen vacation area instead for 400-500 daily?
Also there is concern of safety when customer is alone in Romania outside of FKK. The girl, no matter how nice she was in saunanclub, can make you easy target for robbing in Romania by the Romanian boyfriend, pimp, or mafia gangs.
In my limited experience it is not necessary to pay extra for services which always used to be the basic standard. To get this service for the price of 50 euros per 30 minutes does not require any compromise on optics.
Of course, as perhaps BB69 was suggesting, I don't bother going to Sharks or Oase as I am not in a position to establish myself as a weekly regular.
[QUOTE=Colforbin;2327046]Unfortunately, I didn't start visiting Frankfurt until January 2018, so I don't know what is what like before the law change, but from reading the forums it sounds like the quality has gone downhill. And I am referring to the registration law, not the condom law. It has to be 95%+ Romanian girls in these clubs. I'd like to see a wider variety.
I'm moving on to Switzerland now. Sounds like Globe has more of what I am looking for.[/QUOTE]The Forum is good for getting technical info or perhaps sightings of specific girls. Just remember that many posts are fueled by emotion and can be irrational. Mountains are often made out of a mole hill because you are getting a lot of very subjective and disjunct reports and experiences. Quality has not dropped as much as many say. As for variety, from my experience, Switzerland and Austria is also very Romanian dominant. If Germany are 90% Romanian, Switzerland is at best 80% Romanian.
[QUOTE=Colforbin;2327046]Unfortunately, I didn't start visiting Frankfurt until January 2018, so I don't know what is what like before the law change, but from reading the forums it sounds like the quality has gone downhill. And I am referring to the registration law, not the condom law. It has to be 95%+ Romanian girls in these clubs. I'd like to see a wider variety.
I'm moving on to Switzerland now. Sounds like Globe has more of what I am looking for.[/QUOTE]To be honest, if you have not visited prior to Jan 2018, there is no way to say that standard have declined in certain clubs in any way. It is all hearsay.
Plus, one or two vocal writing members might influence others to concur with them. Pretty soon, that becomes a common view. The last thing we should do is propagate this myth, as if it is a given fact. We should simply state what we observe and then add our own personal views and not restate what the dominant view is on the platform. Anyway, that's my view.
I am a new writer and have lurked here on and off. From what I recall writers here were saying club standards have been deteriorating even 2 or 3 or 4 years ago or what have you. As far as where the standards declined the most, there is no consensus. Vocal members play up their favorite clubs and denigrate other clubs.
As they say grass is always greener on the other side and sometimes it would appear that grass was always greener in the past.
[QUOTE=Colforbin;2327046]Unfortunately, I didn't start visiting Frankfurt until January 2018, so I don't know what is what like before the law change, but from reading the forums it sounds like the quality has gone downhill. And I am referring to the registration law, not the condom law. It has to be 95%+ Romanian girls in these clubs. I'd like to see a wider variety.[/QUOTE][I]Colonel Forbin I know why you've come here
And I'll help you with your quest to gain the knowledge that you lack[/I]
It's true, the bureaucracy discourages local girls and high-quality girls in general from coming in to FKKs, so the ones that show up are increasingly the products of an assembly line and feel less and less real. They are dependent on their "managers" for accommodation, visas, etc.
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I'm moving on to Switzerland now. Sounds like Globe has more of what I am looking for.[/QUOTE]Globe is better, but even there the stars are starting to age and are in short supply, while the system is flooded with factory types.
Just my 2 dirhams. [NOPARSE]👳[/NOPARSE].
[QUOTE=Jolokia;2327188]Why it is better deal when you visiting Romania with the girl? While inside Romanian she will want to visiting her family and not the customer I think. Does she expecting you to pay her plane ticket from Frankfurt? And why not take the girl to other Schengen vacation area instead for 400-500 daily?
Also there is concern of safety when customer is alone in Romania outside of FKK. The girl, no matter how nice she was in saunanclub, can make you easy target for robbing in Romania by the Romanian boyfriend, pimp, or mafia gangs.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you never had the luck of knowing a WG in a personal level. Try to have that human connection, then comment on the rates, safety etc? You might have a different opinion when an WG invites you to her home country, even buys your flight tickets and arranges your accommodation.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2327495]To be honest, if you have not visited prior to Jan 2018, there is no way to say that standard have declined in certain clubs in any way. It is all hearsay.
Plus, one or two vocal writing members might influence others to concur with them. Pretty soon, that becomes a common view. The last thing we should do is propagate this myth, as if it is a given fact. We should simply state what we observe and then add our own personal views and not restate what the dominant view is on the platform. Anyway, that's my view.
I am a new writer and have lurked here on and off. From what I recall writers here were saying club standards have been deteriorating even 2 or 3 or 4 years ago or what have you. As far as where the standards declined the most, there is no consensus. Vocal members play up their favorite clubs and denigrate other clubs.
As they say grass is always greener on the other side and sometimes it would appear that grass was always greener in the past.[/QUOTE]If it helps some of the newer mongers to feel good by thinking the FKK lineups were same quality 3-4 years back as it is now on average, let's go with that. It's like kids in today's high schools and colleges see mostly obese girls (or guys) and think that's the definition of beauty. No point bursting that bubble with the reference of history.
[QUOTE=Gino02;2327604]If it helps some of the newer mongers to feel good by thinking the FKK lineups were same quality 3-4 years back as it is now on average, let's go with that. It's like kids in today's high schools and colleges see mostly obese girls (or guys) and think that's the definition of beauty. No point bursting that bubble with the reference of history.[/QUOTE]I'm not a newer monger and I agree with Pesismist on this one, a few vocal members portray a skewed image of the club scene. Things go up and down from month to month and year to year but I do not notice a huge drop off. I do recognize that I look back fondly on some former stunners and even yearn for them.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2327495]To be honest, if you have not visited prior to Jan 2018, there is no way to say that standard have declined in certain clubs in any way. It is all hearsay.
Plus, one or two vocal writing members might influence others to concur with them. Pretty soon, that becomes a common view. The last thing we should do is propagate this myth, as if it is a given fact. We should simply state what we observe and then add our own personal views and not restate what the dominant view is on the platform. Anyway, that's my view.
I am a new writer and have lurked here on and off. From what I recall writers here were saying club standards have been deteriorating even 2 or 3 or 4 years ago or what have you. As far as where the standards declined the most, there is no consensus. Vocal members play up their favorite clubs and denigrate other clubs.
As they say grass is always greener on the other side and sometimes it would appear that grass was always greener in the past.[/QUOTE]I have 15 years of FKK visits behind me, and I don t agree at all with your opinion, several years back the LU were far more diverse many girls from Germany, Hungary, Poland, even some from Italy or France today 95% are from Romania and they try to control the clubs by increasing prices and decreasing the service. I guess that many nice girls are doing escort and left the FKK scene. Also the girls need less to be a prostitutes just because the economical situation of those countries improved a lot. It has nothing to do with nostalgia but for sure for me before it was better.
I agree that the line ups haven't declined (I've been mongering since 2007 in Germany FKK clubs) but what has tended to happen is that non Romanians have declined in numbers compared to before. I don't know why. What has definitely happened since July 2017 and the new law is many girls have started to charge extra for BBBJ. Other than that it's a case I think of memory being golden and rose tinted. Also when a man visits an FKK for the first time ever or even for the first few times the sheer spectacle of naked women in their 20's, all available, overwhelms the senses. It's how every one says that 'things were better in my days' or 'in the Olsen daya'! I myself have written wonderful descriptions of beauties at Palace from my early trips mongering and I have fond memories of Saskia, Martha, Natascha, Indira etc. Sure they were beautiful and I had great sex with all of them but if I saw them now for the first time with my many years of experience would I be as blown away as I was back then? Would I say Saskia is better than Megan? Was Indira hotter than Carmen? Was famous Marie of Oase as beautiful as some of the Globe girls or Marthaat Harmony? Who knows? The mind and memory are wonderful things but also unreliable. I was in a bookshop today and saw a photography book which had a cover photo of Giselle Bundchen. She's probably the most famous supermodel in the world in the last 20 years (she was naked on the cover showing her ass back) and sure she is a 10 but if she was just one of 50 naked girls at a Globe or Sharks or Oase would she stand out that much? I hope you understand my point. I've been with over 200 girls now and honestly now no matter how hot a girl seems I know when she is baked it won't be much different to the other 200+ I've seen. Having said that I've an addict and I know that so I get some girls whom I sometimes fall for who blow my mind for a while (currently Megan for example) but that's only until the next hottest one comes along. I guess I'm saying enjoy the present while you can and feel privileged to live experiences most men can only dream about and don't dream about the mythical past so much!
[QUOTE=Gino02;2327604]If it helps some of the newer mongers to feel good by thinking the FKK lineups were same quality 3-4 years back as it is now on average, let's go with that. It's like kids in today's high schools and colleges see mostly obese girls (or guys) and think that's the definition of beauty. No point bursting that bubble with the reference of history.[/QUOTE]I told him that one should be able to judge a lineup without reference to a mythical LU from the past. What does it matter that another monger feels girls were prettier and more plentiful in the past? He can't time travel and fuck them -- the only ones available are the ones in the club on the day you attend.
With time, some things get exaggerated and defects glossed over. A 70 year old guy might say girls from his youth and middle age were pretty and better.
Whose opinion is valid and authoritative? Not mine for sure, far from it. If you feel your voice is authoritative on this subject and he agrees with you, he will certainly follow that advice.
All of us are writing on German FKK forums now and presumably attending German FKKs. So, we are still able to find good sessions with attractive girls, no? If we can, others can. Takes some diligence but it can be done. It has always taken some diligence to find good sessions- this is true for all good stuff in life.