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Well obesity is easy to monitor. Beauty is not. Especially when Romanians are not obese. What has gone up on the other hand is upselling. And the industry in Germany is in danger of ending up the same way it is in certain east European, south american, African or south east Asian countries, where integrity is low, and scams are high.
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[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2327548] the bureaucracy discourages local girls and high-quality girls in general from coming in to FKKs, so the ones that show up are increasingly the products of an assembly line and feel less and less real. [/QUOTE]I agree with your above statement although in my view you are getting increasingly more eccentric and radicalized since we both started to post on certain threads about the same time and we both are locals.
From my experience as a local (so is Polyamorist), the lineup in German sex industry is getting stiller and lower in quality in the past 2 years. Due to the registration required by the new law, the turnover of WGs is much slower and the quality of new WGs is lower than 2 years ago because many girls wanted to try out as WGs, but they didn't want to go through the registration process. The ones who did go through the registration were the ones who had less concern about the registration impact on their future life, so they tended to be lower educated and with lower quality in general. I think that, more importantly in a practical terms, the lineup is getting stiller and static and there are much less new girls who have been getting into this business even for a brief time because of the registration. This phenomenon is more obvious in normal brothels where I regularly go than FKK clubs because vast majority of WGs in brothels are non-Romanians.
[QUOTE=Chongmal;2324233]This somehow didn't impact me. The sim stays active as long as it's reloaded every 90 days. So for me I have no costs for the sim between visits. [/QUOTE]The new law only applies to the new sim card activated after July xx, 2018.
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[QUOTE=Bfsie;2327883]The ones who did go through the registration were the ones who had less concern about the registration impact on their future life, so they tended to be lower educated and with lower quality in general.[/QUOTE]Can anyone tell me how registration impacts their future? Does their status as working girls get shared w / other countries? I know of one that I would like her to visit me but I'm afraid if her status is available it might lead to in auto denial of visa. Thanks.
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As much as we shouldn't live in the past and rather enjoy what's available currently, we shouldn't forget or ignore the history. Same goes for the FKK lineups (beauty, service, cost, quantity, quality, ethnic mix, background, personality etc etc) and it's history. Best is to feel it how you feel, no point arguing about it, same as no point arguing with today's obese kids about obesity that I mentioned earlier.
A wise man once said. To each his own.
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I think you are absolutely correct that the turnover has come to a crawl. I also agree that quality is in general lower than 2-3 years ago. I just feel that it is not as terrible as it is made out to be. I don't visit normal brothels but in the Sauna club scene, I'd say the drop off is around a half point lower.
[QUOTE=Bfsie;2327883]From my experience as a local (so is Polyamorist), the lineup in German sex industry is getting stiller and lower in quality in the past 2 years. Due to the registration required by the new law, the turnover of WGs is much slower and the quality of new WGs is lower than 2 years ago because many girls wanted to try out as WGs, but they didn't want to go through the registration process. The ones who did go through the registration were the ones who had less concern about the registration impact on their future life, so they tended to be lower educated and with lower quality in general. I think that, more importantly in a practical terms, the lineup is getting stiller and there are much less new girls who have been getting into this business even for a brief time because of the registration. The phenomenon is more obvious in normal brothels where I regularly go than FKK clubs because vast majority of WGs in brothels are non-Romanians.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2327821]Well obesity is easy to monitor. Beauty is not. Especially when Romanians are not obese. What has gone up on the other hand is upselling. And the industry in Germany is in danger of ending up the same way it is in certain east European, south american, African or south east Asian countries, where integrity is low, and scams are high.[/QUOTE]Are there clubs in any of those regions where you can pay one uniform price such as 50 E and guaranteed at least a fuck and suck, condom or not, in a relatively clean room and in a safe environment? Let alone all the other amenities that you find in a FKK club?
I feel that FKKs are still a great deal despite some mild deterioration in some aspects of service in some of the clubs.
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[QUOTE=Palcon;2327887]Can anyone tell me how registration impacts their future? Does their status as working girls get shared w / other countries? I know of one that I would like her to visit me but I'm afraid if her status is available it might lead to in auto denial of visa. Thanks.[/QUOTE]The very act of registering officially as a prostitute is enough to dissuade some ladies from participating in the business. It is no longer possible so much to casually participate as a hobbyheuren or part time hooker.
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[QUOTE=Bfsie;2327883] the quality of new WGs is lower than 2 years ago because many girls wanted to try out as WGs, but they didn't want to go through the registration process. The ones who did go through the registration were the ones who had less concern about the registration impact on their future life, so they tended to be lower educated and with lower quality in general. I think that, more importantly in a practical terms, the lineup is getting stiller and static and there are much less new girls who have been getting into this business even for a brief time because of the registration. This phenomenon is more obvious in normal brothels where I regularly go than FKK clubs because vast majority of WGs in brothels are non-Romanians.
[/QUOTE]Very well analyzed, similar to what I was concerned about since 2015.
I tend to miss German girls who are legal age enough to work in FKK trying out working girl as summer job or short period job to get fast cash. Once upon a time in FKK, there were some German teens who are basically real hottest girl in college type with no tattoo just pure young beauty girls just auditioned for model casting type. Each visit I used to find few new of these girls and now I miss these type of girls a lot because it is much rarer than before by far.
From 2009 to 2015, I was based in Artemis, but since 2015, I have been basing my self in Hessen and NRW due to younger line up with better service. But this end of summer season, I am returning to Artemis after 4 years of absence, so I hope they improved line up during this 4 years and I hope I will find rare young beauty cast I was talking about earlier in this post, which I did find back in the day mostly in low summer season. Most of top optical levels girls I had in Artemis for me was oddly mostly in summer low season is my experience.
On the other hand, I am also facing risk that Artemis did not change much with line up in this past 4 years and I end up seeing mostly just old same line up girls just 4 years later with more weight on, more plastic surgeries and more tattoos and more hate on male clients powered with extreme upsell LOL.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2327888] ...Best is to feel it how you feel, no point arguing about it, same as no point arguing with today's obese kids about obesity that I mentioned earlier.
[/QUOTE]I have to disagree with you on this one. If the FKK lineup is getting stiller and static and fewer new girls with lower quality are getting into FKK business, maybe not you and other die-hard FKK fans, but some readers here with FKK experience may consider to monger in other countries instead of FKK clubs. It is about information. I actually wrote my previous post out of sadness and frustration which I share with Polyamorist and which forced me to start to look into other countries for mongering now.
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[QUOTE=Bfsie;2328095]I have to disagree with you on this one. If the FKK lineup is getting stiller and static and fewer new girls with lower quality are getting into FKK business, maybe not you and other die-hard FKK fans, but some readers here with FKK experience may consider to monger in other countries instead of FKK clubs. It is about information. I actually wrote my previous post out of sadness and frustration which I share with Polyamorist and which forced me to start to look into other countries for mongering now.[/QUOTE]It's easy to understand why. Prices are the same as ten years ago. You get what you pay for.
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[QUOTE=Frozty;2328116]It's easy to understand why. Prices are the same as ten years ago. You get what you pay for.[/QUOTE]Well I consider these same prices for past ten years as minimum service charge in most of the cases LOL.
Sometimes I get lucky and get maximum service with these minimum service charge, which is rather more often before than recent few years.
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I spent 2 days at Sharks and enjoyed a blast from the past weekend while also trying out Alexandria and her new hair do. I only make 6-7 Sharks visits a year these days, opting to spend more time in NRW but had a nice time going to rooms with former greats and old time regulars.
I went with Evita for the first time in nearly 2 years and can say that she is still a classy provider. We didn't recapture old magic but enjoyed a top notch one hour room.
Mila was just back from holiday so I went with her on day 2. She's still a top notch provider that is fun in the room. All services provided, with no upsell during the half hour session. I think I benefit from being known to her and her crew as I know she usually wants the 1 hour room.
The cherry on top of my visit was a surprise visit from Yvette who has been at Palace for some time. She popped in for one night so I immediately took her. Perhaps it was that I hadn't gone with her in a while but she seemed to somehow gotten even better in the 2 years since I've sessioned with her. Her small frame, thin body, and enthusiasm in the room made for a top 3 session in 2019. I don't remember her BJ being an 11 out of 10 but this time, it was easily the best BJ I've had this year. I still remember the new girl 4 years ago that barely spoke any English so was ecstatic to spend quality time with a now veteran provider who has one of the best party attitudes and skill sets out there. Repeating with her might be cause for me to make a Palace visit soon.
I finally repeated with Betty after over a year hiatus and can say that she is still a solid provider. I can't say that she is skillful in anyway but she does have unbelievable stamina in the room. I do miss the slim Betty of the past but she carries the weight reasonably well. She's continued to get bigger but a bit of that is solid muscle in her hips and not just all fat.
Estra is becoming a regular optic fuck for me as I absolutely love her body. She provides decent service in the one hour room, allowing for FIV, DATY, DFK, and BBBJ. She's not particularly skillful either but girls with great tits and absolutely no body fat will always a get regular rooms from me as long as they show some sort of enjoyment in the room. I end up having to do all the work but it's okay as I said she's a borderline optic fuck.
The lone new to me girl I tried was Alexandra. A friend said that her curly hairstyle is new. Perhaps that is why I didn't recognize her. She has a seductive aura and a tight body with fist size tits. She does not have a classic beautiful face but rather a sultry, seductive look. In the room, she was absolutely amazing. The BBBJ was enthusiastic, wet, and deep. The kissing was the same. And fucking, well the fucking was carnal. One of the toughest positions for a girl is from behind while lying down as it allows for full penetration and the girl is subject to every inch of the guy with him being in full control. Alexandra was able to tolerate that position for an extended amount of time, probably 10-15 minutes straight in that one position alone without a reprieve and me progressively pumping faster and faster until climax.
All in all a nice weekend at Sharks, pulling me away from NRW and Austria for a brief period.
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Really It's Not Fair
[QUOTE=Frozty;2328116]It's easy to understand why. Prices are the same as ten years ago. You get what you pay for.[/QUOTE]I guess I never thought about it. But My first FKK 10 ish years ago was 50/ half + 50 CIM. And that hasn't really changed that much in ten years. Prices of everything have been going up. But not FKK? Got to admit that doesn't seem right in the abstract. If This was manufacturing and prices were fixed, the solution of the manufacturer is to just use cheaper parts. And then make money on the options. Same thing here I guess.
Those who are trying to keep the price the same as 2009 are the same ones complaining that the product quality has gone down. Well guess what. That is the way the world works.
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Well, some people like to think "tourists are to blame" and if border walls were erected, the world would still be sunny and bright and 50 E would fetch the highest quality sex, all included.
Of course, these border walls should go up only for men. Otherwise, there would be only 3 old obese German girls per club and all the E EU girls would be plying their trade elsewhere.
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2328349]I guess I never thought about it. But My first FKK 10 ish years ago was 50/ half + 50 CIM. And that hasn't really changed that much in ten years. Prices of everything have been going up. But not FKK? Got to admit that doesn't seem right in the abstract. If This was manufacturing and prices were fixed, the solution of the manufacturer is to just use cheaper parts. And then make money on the options. Same thing here I guess.
Those who are trying to keep the price the same as 2009 are the same ones complaining that the product quality has gone down. Well guess what. That is the way the world works.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Steve9696;2328349]I guess I never thought about it. But My first FKK 10 ish years ago was 50/ half + 50 CIM. And that hasn't really changed that much in ten years. Prices of everything have been going up. But not FKK? Got to admit that doesn't seem right in the abstract. If This was manufacturing and prices were fixed, the solution of the manufacturer is to just use cheaper parts. And then make money on the options. Same thing here I guess.
Those who are trying to keep the price the same as 2009 are the same ones complaining that the product quality has gone down. Well guess what. That is the way the world works.[/QUOTE]I agree that cost of living (and prices of almost everything) has increased significantly (30% or more) in USA and most of the Asian countries in last ten years, but do you guys really think that cost of living has increased as much in Germany in the same time frame? I don't think so, and so do the researchers (eg [URL]https://tradingeconomics.com/germany/consumer-price-index-cpi[/URL] and other data analytics sites). Germany CPI in 2019 increased only about 6% from 2010, and if we consider all sorts of wage and prices data, maybe a total 10% increase in FKK prices can be justified for over last 10 years. So the 50 e for 30 minutes service in 2010 now maybe should cost maximum 55 e, not 100 e or any other outrageous number some people want to believe. We are not talking about this FKK service in USA or Asia, but in Germany. FKK owners are not dumb fucks, they would have increased the entry fees if all other prices as well as German incomes have increased like you guys (mostly the flying-in mongers) are suggesting.