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Over the last week, I sessioned at three new establishments(Versace, Las Florecitas, Astrid), revisited Marcella and surveyed four others. With this, I have determined that one must spend between $80 and $100 for an acceptable result and have drawn the conclusion that there are the
A)Good - Versace-$100/hour, high quality girls, average rooms(no porn tv,in- room showers, Air/Heat, slightly run down).
Signore-$50/hour, low quality girls, acceptable rooms(porn,Air/Heat
in-room showers).
Misses -$175-200/hour, premium quality girls, premium rooms
(no porn or in-room showers but all high-end furnishings).
Astrid-$100/50 minutes, high quality girls, above average rooms(tv
but no porn, Air/Heat, in-room showers).
Marcella-$80/40 minutes, good quality girls, premium rooms(porn
Air/Heat, clean, high-end furnishings, in-room showers).
Spacio-$40/hh, low quality girls, average rooms(small, in-room
showers, clean).
B)Bad - This basically includes most MP's that charge between $10-$20 h/h.
The rooms are basically filthy, sub-standard and would violate many
U.S. Building/Safety and Health codes.These places would be deemed
unacceptable by most if not all American mongers that are
accustomed to certain standards set forth by U.S. amps. They are
virtually a waste of time except for entertainment value. Some offer
only cold water showers, no sheets or soap and questionable
practices regarding the hygienic quality of linen/towels.
C)Ugly - Reducline-$60/40 minutes (massage only). This place is truly
amusing. Because of an in-room jacuzzi, the operator now believes
that this facility constitutes Marcella pricing. The fugly presented to
me wanted an additional $50 for sex for a grand total of $110 for 40
minutes. I would not have engaged if she paid me the $110.
Absolutely delusional.
Las Forecitas-$25/hh (full service). Rooms are makeshift cubicles
with no private ceilings or doors. Concrete slab bed with rubber pad
and a cold shower only accessed by overhead water valve. No
soap. No sheets.
Like everything else, there seems to be a pecking order with the MP's. If the girls cannot get into Misses, they go to Versace or Marcella. If they cannot get in there, they migrate to Horoscope, Deborahs, Signore, Spacio or Vivid. In my opinion there really is no reason to go anywhere but the Good, especially if you do not have a car and are regulated to a taxi service.
P.S. All prices quoted above were amounts paid with tip included. Most prices do not include bbbj. Also, avoid Saturday day shift(busy) if possible. I have experienced my best results on Mondays and Tuesdays.
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A girl doesn't just say "today I'll start working at a massage parlor and that one will be Misses".
Trust me when I say that many girls don't even know what Misses is.
They start where they can and once they are in the business they might try up or down once they get to know what kind of MPs are around.
I have seen girls at Romanos, Misses little brother where starting price is 800 pesos, that I would not pay what they charge here.
As a matter of fact one of the girls from Romanos migrated to a place called Miroslava charging 400 pesos as a starting price and still I wouldn't pay what she charges.
By the way, you make it sounds as if Versace, Las Florecitas and Astrid are new joints.
They are not.
[QUOTE=Precocious One]Over the last week, I sessioned at three new establishments(Versace, Las Florecitas, Astrid), revisited Marcella and surveyed four others. With this, I have determined that one must spend between $80 and $100 for an acceptable result and have drawn the conclusion that there are the
A)Good - Versace-$100/hour, high quality girls, average rooms(no porn tv,in- room showers, Air/Heat, slightly run down).
Signore-$50/hour, low quality girls, acceptable rooms(porn,Air/Heat
in-room showers).
Misses -$175-200/hour, premium quality girls, premium rooms
(no porn or in-room showers but all high-end furnishings).
Astrid-$100/50 minutes, high quality girls, above average rooms(tv
but no porn, Air/Heat, in-room showers).
Marcella-$80/40 minutes, good quality girls, premium rooms(porn
Air/Heat, clean, high-end furnishings, in-room showers).
Spacio-$40/hh, low quality girls, average rooms(small, in-room
showers, clean).
B)Bad - This basically includes most MP's that charge between $10-$20 h/h.
The rooms are basically filthy, sub-standard and would violate many
U.S. Building/Safety and Health codes.These places would be deemed
unacceptable by most if not all American mongers that are
accustomed to certain standards set forth by U.S. amps. They are
virtually a waste of time except for entertainment value. Some offer
only cold water showers, no sheets or soap and questionable
practices regarding the hygienic quality of linen/towels.
C)Ugly - Reducline-$60/40 minutes (massage only). This place is truly
amusing. Because of an in-room jacuzzi, the operator now believes
that this facility constitutes Marcella pricing. The fugly presented to
me wanted an additional $50 for sex for a grand total of $110 for 40
minutes. I would not have engaged if she paid me the $110.
Absolutely delusional.
Las Forecitas-$25/hh (full service). Rooms are makeshift cubicles
with no private ceilings or doors. Concrete slab bed with rubber pad
and a cold shower only accessed by overhead water valve. No
soap. No sheets.
Like everything else, there seems to be a pecking order with the MP's. If the girls cannot get into Misses, they go to Versace or Marcella. If they cannot get in there, they migrate to Horoscope, Deborahs, Signore, Spacio or Vivid. In my opinion there really is no reason to go anywhere but the Good, especially if you do not have a car and are regulated to a taxi service.
P.S. All prices quoted above were amounts paid with tip included. Most prices do not include bbbj. Also, avoid Saturday day shift(busy) if possible. I have experienced my best results on Mondays and Tuesdays.[/QUOTE]
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"That is why there will never really be a "right" answer with respect to which is the best venue."
Of course there is a right answer: people that like MPs will always like MPs and distance themselves from SCs and viceversa.
It's a rule of thumb, no special science needs to be aplied here.
[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Here is one area where Precocious' report is relevant, informative, and deserving of analysis. As a result of reading his reports, it is interesting that my own conclusions about patronizing massage parlors with respect to bang for the buck have not changed, confirmed now most recently upon Precocious' re-examination of the massage parlor scene, and most specifically by his cost analysis.
I can understand that if one can keep costs to around 400 pesos for forty five minutes, and if the typical massage parlor environment is acceptable to one's own sensibilities, then there is possibly merit to the massage parlor scene for some.
But, that having been said, you must know your own sensibilities with respect to your own expectation for satisfaction. The massage parlor experience, on the few occasions that I have returned to it, has always yielded comparative disappointment.
Of course, the cost factor is always a consideration if budgets are limited. So, I fully comprehend the allure of the massage parlor scene. However, if one were to finally conclude that their own personal satisfaction level hinges upon having to spend at least 1000 pesos, then I believe the massage parlor scene is the lesser choice.
If one is going to succumb to the notion that one must typically spend 1000 pesos, minimum, in order to typically achieve overall satisfaction, versus settling for the alternative found in the 400 pesos massage parlor venue, or even partaking in the privado venue in the clubs, then neither of these is the best bang for the buck.
Certainly, in the clubs there is "opportunity costs," buying drinks, etc...to be considered with respect to eventually going on salida. But, ultimately, the potential cost in comparing the 1000 pesos massage parlor scene and the club scene, make the club scene more satisfying, IMHO, when considering the cost versus time spent with us per peso.
To further elaborate, the privado scene in the lower end clubs is NOT an economical endeavor in comparison either. The privado scene is part of my opportunity cost, and a necessary evil, a part of the interview process that can not be avoided. But, fortunately, it can be dispensed with once one is established with a harem. I have seen where a typical session in the privados will cost as much as a medium level massage parlor session, with a 10th of the comfort level afforded by even the lowest of the massage parlor establishments.
There is certainly up front cost associated with the club scene, but I believe that when amortized over time, sometimes getting bar girls down to 500-700 pesos per session once you're established with them, and they typically staying at least a minimum of 1.5 hours, sometimes much longer, sometimes they wanting to stay willingly 3-6-8 hours, the club scene beats the massage parlor scene in the long run, hands down.
But, it all depends on your own expectations. For some, a girl staying 6 hours would drive some guys nuts, no matter what the cost analysis advantages. So, depending on one's own criteria for what is, or is not, a good session, or sufficient time, or cleanliness, or privacy, or intimacy, or affection, or whatever, the massage parlor scene, just like all the scene's in MTY, must be evaluated from a really subjective perspective, and one must know one's self. That is why there will never really be a "right" answer with respect to which is the best venue.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Here is one area where Precocious' report is relevant, informative, and deserving of analysis.
Uh, I really don't give a flying fu_k if you or someone else here thinks my reports are "deserving" of analysis. But since you have physically met me, you should have probably already known that. After successfully running numerous businesses on the streets of LA for over a decade, if I had to worry about what every swinging dick thought about me I would probably be bankrupt as opposed to semi-retired. I am not going to speak for the rest of the board here, but the last thing I want to read is another,
"P-girl wants to have my baby even though she knows that L-girl loves me and that N-girl will always wait for me not to mention that my Harem Z-girl fucks me for free and they all tell me that I am the greatest thing since sliced bread."
Regardless, you are correct on your assessment. It is far more economical to get on a SC girls rotation than to frequent MP's. But, one must also consider that MP's provide variety. I have had some awesome sessions the last three weeks which I know would not be duplicated on a return visit.
Like I told you before, you have a good thing with G-girl.
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Does anyone knows what happened with the Misses website?
The place is still runing but does it has changed the website address?
Somebody told me they have a couple of natural blondes there finally and they do anal for an extra $$$.
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One of the constants of constants of the MP business that advertises via web in Monterrey is informality.
Simply put, they stopped paying cause they just don't care if anyone sees them via the internet.
[QUOTE=Strike 69]Does anyone knows what happened with the Misses website?
The place is still runing but does it has changed the website address?
Somebody told me they have a couple of natural blondes there finally and they do anal for an extra $$$.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Amigomio]One if the constants of the constants of the MP business that advertises via web in Monterrey is informality.
Simply put, they stopped paying cause they just don't care if anyone sees them via the internet.[/QUOTE]
Thanks Carlos. I'm not in MTY currently but I will pay a visit to Misses once there.
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Something else
[QUOTE=Amigomio]One of the constants of constants of the MP business that advertises via web in Monterrey is informality.
Simply put, they stopped paying cause they just don't care if anyone sees them via the internet.[/QUOTE]And do not expect to see any of the girls in the website.
SD
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Sessioned at three new locations. Miroslava is in a commercial building shared with a car stereo place on the lower level and their location on the upper level. After walking up a precarious flight of unrailed and unprotected stairs(one wrong move and you will be spending the remainder of your time here in a Monterrey hospital), you enter the establishment. $40/30 minutes. The selection was good. I chose Janet whom is a very pretty Latina. But, that is as far as the complements go. An uneventful session barraged with upselling and apathy. Would not repeat. In fact, during the session I ripped off the condom without a release, got dressed and walked out stiffing her of $10.00 as she kept my other $10.00 change from my $50.00. I had promised her a $20 propina and wished that I could have stiffed her for the full amount. It was so bad, I would have been better off digging a hole in the ground and fuc_ing dirt. Nevertheless, the place is clean with nice sheets, in-room shower, A/C and heat but no TV. One final note here is that the location is on the wrong side of Colon and on an industrialized street that is not very well lit or well-populated. I would not recommend this place at night. Even though you are only 100 yards from safety, 99 of those could become very crucial and permanently engraved in your mongering history if you were unfortunate enough to become a victim.
Headed over to Primer Nivel. It is at least a seven dollar cab ride from Villagran. Not good. The aged, 35+ year-old lady would not let me inspect the rooms but was polite in her denial of access. It is $50/hour and because of it's distant location, I would not go back.
Next stop was Sujok 8m. $25/hour. It is now located at 2720 Rio Lerma #1. It is an apartment complex that looks like it's straight out of Compton complete with security bars, broken down cars and a paint job that Earl Scheib could have painted back in the 1980's. Upon entering, it is apparant that the owners did an admirable job on renovating the inside, which consequently, looks nothing like the outside. I was presented with the typical $10-20 h/h type-women. Women that are not doable.
Right around the corner from Sujok 8m is Agencia Bandidas directly across the street from Amnesia Mens Club. $50/hour. Good selection, clean rooms with A/C and heat, fresh sheets and towels along with porn TV. Had a session with 19-year-old Patty who I would probably not re-session with. The thing with these girls is that when they start the propina negotiation up-front, it is probably not going to be a very good experience. Most if not all my sessions have been good if they never ask up-front about the propina.
If one is interested in knowing what a $10-20 h/h Monterrey MP girl looks like, simply head over to the Photo Gallery section and observe the two girls that Amigomio has prominently and proudly put on display for our viewing pleasure. That is pretty much what one can expect. Now, fellow monger Bnlee2 has described Amigomio's girlfriends as "whales", however, I would not go to that extent as a whale is generally referred to as a sea mammal weighing in at an average of 50 tons. These girls may be close but no cigar. I guess some mongers are into this sort of fetish. Not me.
There is one more location that I sessioned at that I am not at liberty to disclose as it is a private establishment and was referred to me by a fellow Mexican National monger while we drank cervezas at one of my favorite watering holes. It is only accessible on a referral basis, so my extremely positive report of the location would be irrelevant and unnecessary for review.
P.S.
One great thing about major Mexican cities is that most have the Caliente Sports Book which offer comparable Vegas Lines. With this in mind...
Antonio Margarito +200. Although most people are picking Cotto, I believe that this is an even money fight. It will more than likely finish inside the distance(over/under 10.5 rounds) and even if you are not a fight fan, this will be the fight of the year and possibly the decade and one that should not be missed. If it does go 12, Margo will probably lose on the cards unless he thoroughly dominates as Cotto is the house(HBO) fighter.
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[QUOTE=Precocious One]P.S.
One great thing about major Mexican cities is that most have the Caliente Sports Book which offer comparable Vegas Lines. With this in mind...
Antonio Margarito +200. Although most people are picking Cotto, I believe that this is an even money fight. It will more than likely finish inside the distance(over/under 10.5 rounds) and even if you are not a fight fan, this will be the fight of the year and possibly the decade and one that should not be missed. If it does go 12, Margo will probably lose on the cards unless he thoroughly dominates as Cotto is the house(HBO) fighter.[/QUOTE]Good call on the fight, which Caliente Club do you go to in Monterrey? I used to go to the one in Nuevo Laredo all the time until they closed it down. I even took one of my girl friends there with me one time, which was not a good idea, as she was about the only female non-employee at the place, and we got all kinds of stares, altough we didn't get kicked out.
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Yes runner up, I think I remember you.
And you will indeed have problems finding advise in looking for non pros here.
If you are the guy I think you are, I recomended staying at the downtown hotel district with the options of choosing from the Crowne Plaza, Radisson Ancira, Sheraton Ambassador and the Howard Johnson MOnterrey.
They place you walking distance from the Barrio Antiguo, right across the Macroplaza which has action on the weekends, but for the young and the restless.
And the Crowne Plaza lobby bar caters on the weekend to the 30something scene.
All mentioned hotels in this area are linked to major hotel chains but all are owned by Mexican families, not corporations.
And that is the most I can help you.
Iam not into non pros. Impossible for me to do that kind of action.
[QUOTE=Runner Up]Hello, I noticed there are just a few people that post on the monterrey forum but they post alot. Most of the info is not of use to a person thinking about putting a trip together.
I have a wingman and we want to go to mexico, either gautalajara or Monterrey or another city if it makes sense.
I speak fluent spanish, I am in good shape, smart, gringofied and have some money to spend. I like non pros and want to spend 90% of my time chasing non-pros. Don't worry if you think I might have trouble with them, just tell me where I need to stay and where I should be going to find non-pros. I'll be fine. I have asked for info here before and I think Carlos responded, then I ended up going to Colombia again. I want to stay in a nice mexican owned hotel where I feel like I'm getting a deal and not getting ripped off. I would like to be walking distance to shopping, eating and partying. Also, I have read that Monterrey is boring as hell during the day. If you have any ideas on daytime activities I'm all ears. I like the idea of monterrey because it is close and I don't like being away more than a week because I have a family/business. Thanks Guys. Anyone want to meet up I would love to have a city/club tour.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Amigomio]Yes runner up, I think I remember you.
And you will indeed have problems finding advise in looking for non pros here.
If you are the guy I think you are, I recomended staying at the downtown hotel district with the options of choosing from the Crowne Plaza, Radisson Ancira, Sheraton Ambassador and the Howard Johnson MOnterrey.
They place you walking distance from the Barrio Antiguo, right across the Macroplaza which has action on the weekends, but for the young and the restless.
And the Crowne Plaza lobby bar caters on the weekend to the 30something scene.
All mentioned hotels in this area are linked to major hotel chains but all are owned by Mexican families, not corporations.
And that is the most I can help you.
Iam not into non pros. Impossible for me to do that kind of action.[/QUOTE]
Regarding non pros, I became to lazy to try them.
I prefer to order a pro when it is needed rather than spend a lot of money, energy and time trying chase a non pro. Sometimes they are more expensive with no so good result (they don't have the same sexual experience and habilities that a pro has).
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[QUOTE=Slick Willie]Good call on the fight, which Caliente Club do you go to in Monterrey? I used to go to the one in Nuevo Laredo all the time until they closed it down. I even took one of my girl friends there with me one time, which was not a good idea, as she was about the only female non-employee at the place, and we got all kinds of stares, altough we didn't get kicked out.[/QUOTE]
I have only seen two Caliente's here and I believe that I use the one off of Ave. Lazaro Cardenas next to the WalMart. They now charge 3% of your winnings which they never did before. It's very smart of them as it's not like I can just walk across the street and place my bet at the MGM or some other sportsbook.
A nice pick. Ended up getting +190 when it should have been an even money fight. Margo started out at +220 and I think it officially went off at 8/5. The smart money came in heavy on Margo the day of the fight.
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[QUOTE=Runner Up]Hello, I noticed there are just a few people that post on the monterrey forum but they post alot. Most of the info is not of use to a person thinking about putting a trip together.
You are probably not the only one who thinks that way. A lot of worthless, monotonous and redundant jibberish irrelevant to the ISG or a visiting monger. I don't know why most of these posts by a few people here just don't go on to someone's MySpace blog as opposed to wasting ISG bandwith.
There was a guy that used to post here that went by the moniker's Mill Just/Mastermind that got so fed up with the nonsense that he actually attacked these guys here in a premeditated and malicious scheme executed solely for the purpose of humiliation. There is some serious hate going on in that Mastermind thread.
I went to the Barrio Antigua last weekend and there where a couple Karaoke bars that had an older crowd (mid30's- early 40's). I believe that they are on the cross-streets of Ignacio Allende and Jose Maria Cross Sur. Not too crowded, drink prices where reasonable (25 pesos) and a good ratio of single women. You will do well with your fluent Spanish.
Check out Amigomio's invaluable map for a detailed and birds-eye view of Monterrey. It is on the Reports of Distincton section.