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[QUOTE=Traveller Uk]Love it Angus. Excellent work. I was hoping you would walk through the entrance of Artemis and find yourself in Narnia, but that is another fantasy.[/QUOTE]
Hi Traveller UK,
Thanks. I would have loved to at least taken you to the door or even the front desk but figured I would need Artemis' permission for that. I have actually been trying to contact them for an interview but keep getting the blow off. That is I have spoken on the phone to a very nice woman in the office. She says yes but that I need to write an intro email which I have done twice now. When I send the email I get nothing back, not even a polite refusal.
I also consider going directly to the boss but so far that has proven futile. I had a chat with one of my regular girls about this last visit and she tells me that Artemis is very publicity shy (in the media) since last year's incident involving the manager (not dear departed Ekki) and some supposed organized crime guys who he thought were pimping a girl out of Artemis. The publicity in the papers was apparently not very balanced and seemed to say that Artemis was pimp central here in Berlin.
I do plan on trying again but figure to leave it until the August holidays are well and truly over.
AM
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[QUOTE=Angus Magee]Hi Traveller UK,
Thanks. I would have loved to at least taken you to the door or even the front desk but figured I would need Artemis' permission for that. I have actually been trying to contact them for an interview but keep getting the blow off. That is I have spoken on the phone to a very nice woman in the office. She says yes but that I need to write an intro email which I have done twice now. When I send the email I get nothing back, not even a polite refusal.
I also consider going directly to the boss but so far that has proven futile. I had a chat with one of my regular girls about this last visit and she tells me that Artemis is very publicity shy (in the media) since last year's incident involving the manager (not dear departed Ekki) and some supposed organized crime guys who he thought were pimping a girl out of Artemis. The publicity in the papers was apparently not very balanced and seemed to say that Artemis was pimp central here in Berlin.
I do plan on trying again but figure to leave it until the August holidays are well and truly over.
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Personally I think that Artemis + cameras + internet is something that might get people scared and nervous.
I really hope the next videos (if there must be) will happen somewhere else.
IMO
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Female Customers?
[QUOTE=Vompat]My friend had her as well and liked so her so much that SHE went back to A the next morning just have Elisa for 1 whole hour.[/QUOTE]I am sure that this is likely a mis-type from a non-native English speaker, but it brings up a question that I had, do these clubs allow women customers that are bi- or lesbian, or are these clubs (FKKs, PartyTreffs, etc) exlusively the preserve of the male species when it comes to customers? Certainly, I could see participation of bi- at a swinger club or something, but generally I would assume that there are clubs that cater specifically to women. This inquiring mind wants to know!!
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[QUOTE=Kimino]Personally I think that Artemis + cameras + internet is something that might get people scared and nervous.
I really hope the next videos (if there must be) will happen somewhere else.
IMO[/QUOTE]
My wanting to contact Artemis is to do with another matter, not the videos. I want to do a spoken interview mainly to get info for a book I am working on and plan publish. Names, Nationalities, indeed any identifying information will be changed and/or not mentioned. Anyone who is mentioned will be asked and have power of veto, given the chance to read anything before going to press. I have no intention of outing anyone, even myself. My new job puts me in a more sensitive position than I am in right now.
Artemis has already had a couple of major TV stations shoot videos in the club at open times, though very early in the day and no men were ever visible, the women having their faces blurred. I have no plans, for obvious reasons, to do any video shooting in any club. The Walk with Angus series is merely to show the approach to various bordellos. And if you read my post you will see that I am very sensitive to not outing anyone. The guy who walked across the video was quite visible and as a result I trashed what was the best take I had and did a new one. Next up I will try to learn face blurring ( i am sure it is pretty easy) so as not to have to swing the camera around so much when I am in the UBahn station.
AM
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[QUOTE=Andypandara]I am sure that this is likely a mis-type from a non-native English speaker, but it brings up a question that I had, do these clubs allow women customers that are bi- or lesbian, or are these clubs (FKKs, PartyTreffs, etc) exlusively the preserve of the male species when it comes to customers? Certainly, I could see participation of bi- at a swinger club or something, but generally I would assume that there are clubs that cater specifically to women. This inquiring mind wants to know!![/QUOTE]
For what it's worth, I saw a similar question in the guestbook on their site, which was answered by the management: "Only male guests are allowed."
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[QUOTE=Angus Magee]The Walk with Angus series is merely to show the approach to various bordellos. And if you read my post you will see that I am very sensitive to not outing anyone. The guy who walked across the video was quite visible and as a result I trashed what was the best take I had and did a new one. Next up I will try to learn face blurring ( i am sure it is pretty easy) so as not to have to swing the camera around so much when I am in the UBahn station.
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Ciao Angus, I did read your post.
Face blurring is something easy to achieve with any video software. It can be quite cpu intensive and require a fast machine (or a lot of time) because every single frame has to be processed after the "mask" has been positioned (and repositioned in case of movement).
Face blurring is not so effective though. I'm sure any person really close to you that see's a video where your face is blurred might still recognise you from many other details.
In this situation, face blurring might protect you legally but still only slightly protect the privacy of the person filmed. No problem if the person is walking in a ubahn station, maybe more if he is walking out of Artemis or similar place.
Didn't want to make a fuss out of this, just trying to give you my point of view.
Bye
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[QUOTE=Nukrimo]For what it's worth, I saw a similar question in the guestbook on their site, which was answered by the management: "Only male guests are allowed."[/QUOTE]
Did you see this on the Artemis web site? I am not sure that this is policy but I am guessing it could be. Some female friends of mine have asked and I always say I am not sure. My feeling was that generally it would not be a good idea. It is very much a male fantasy environment
But I also wonder if a girl showed up with a man, she might be allowed as long as she did not go fucking the guests for free and generally taking business from the girls. But then I wonder really if the Artemis environment would be comfortable for this. I can imagine the girls getting a bit hostile if this unknown element were introduced.
As for plain old lesbians-why would they do this? There are plenty of lesbian bars, both more conventional and places where a girl could probably get laid (or fisted or whatever) in the bar. This is Berlin after all and there is a huge gay and lesbian community here.
All that said, I do remember a discussion about this on the Oase (I think) thread. It seems there was a couple showing up there for a while and taking willing girls to the room, presumably all paid. But who knows the arrangement they made. All was fine until the female partner discovered that she herself wanted to work there and signed on as a working girl. Not sure how her male partner felt about this.
Maybe someone reading this from the Oase thread remembers more?
Angus' own feeling towards this is that I am very comfortable with all manner of sexual choices others make. I have broken bread and shared drinks with trannies(post & preop), dykes, male hustlers, hard core street girls, pansexuals, lesbian vampires, the lot. While I always enjoy a chat and finding common ground, I would prefer Artemis to remain more or less a straight male environment where we go to share paid intimate time with regular girls. That way nobody gets confused as to what is going on. This just feels cleaner to me.
AM
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Oase, Mainhattan, 5E and other clubs do allow male/female duos. As long as the woman does not go with other male guests. Both pay the normal admission fee, they both change in the men's locker room. Just ask on your next visit. You could go wearing kilt and skirt on dessous day. ;)
HB
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[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]. You could go wearing kilt and skirt on dessous day. ;)
HB[/QUOTE]
It is not the kilt, HB, rather what we Scots wear, or rather do not wear, underneath that makes the Scotsmen such virile lovers. There is nothing quite so bracing as the highlands on a winters day, ones sporran flapping in the breeze, to strike terror, and a certain pleasing anticipation, into the heart of our sheep ;)
Dessous? There is no dessous for Angus.
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I love the Highlands. Especially the areas around Dalwhinnie, Dalmore, Glenmorangie but also Orkney, Isle of Skye, Isle of Jura and more. ;) A Scotsman once told me Germans and Scots are friends because we have common enemies - the English.
HB
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[QUOTE=Angus Magee]Did you see this on the Artemis web site? I am not sure that this is policy but I am guessing it could be. Some female friends of mine have asked and I always say I am not sure. My feeling was that generally it would not be a good idea. It is very much a male fantasy environment
But I also wonder if a girl showed up with a man, she might be allowed as long as she did not go fucking the guests for free and generally taking business from the girls. But then I wonder really if the Artemis environment would be comfortable for this. I can imagine the girls getting a bit hostile if this unknown element were introduced.
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I did read it on the Artemis site, yes. The question is currently on page 15 of the guestbook, where a man asks if he can bring his wife along to the club. The answer is that Artemis is a pure Men's Club, and bringing your own women is forbidden.
Finally some use for my obsessive reading of that guestbook since I've been unable to visit for some time. :)
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[QUOTE=Nukrimo]I did read it on the Artemis site, yes. The question is currently on page 15 of the guestbook, where a man asks if he can bring his wife along to the club. The answer is that Artemis is a pure Men's Club, and bringing your own women is forbidden.
Finally some use for my obsessive reading of that guestbook since I've been unable to visit for some time. :)[/QUOTE]
Oh dear, now I have something else to obsessively read.
Incidentally, recently the German forum has been full of rumors with regard the construction in the parking lot which seems to be getting underway. You can see in the Walk with Angus video an area that is fenced off in the parking lot. Word has it that there will be a terrace, a pool, outdoor jacuzzi, sauna/shower building, grill station and several small session houses. Construction is supposed to finish in December but that seems a little optimistic to me and in any case, opening the outdoor pool in December, well perhaps opening is to strong a word. Next summer though sounds promising.
The new bar carpet is also finished and by reports is very orange.
AM
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Female Mongers
[QUOTE=Andypandara] do these clubs allow women customers that are bi- or lesbian, or are these clubs (FKKs, PartyTreffs, etc) exlusively the preserve of the male species when it comes to customers?[/quote]
[QUOTE=Nukrimo]The question is currently on page 15 of the guestbook, where a man asks if he can bring his wife along to the club. The answer is that Artemis is a pure Men's Club, and bringing your own women is forbidden.[/QUOTE]
Very surprised to read that Artemis does not sanction female customers as most of the large Hessen and NRW clubs, as well as some of the smaller ones do allow them, while not exactly encouraging them.
[quote=Angus Magee]Some female friends of mine have asked and I always say I am not sure. My feeling was that generally it would not be a good idea. It is very much a male fantasy environment
But I also wonder if a girl showed up with a man, she might be allowed as long as she did not go fucking the guests for free and generally taking business from the girls. But then I wonder really if the Artemis environment would be comfortable for this. I can imagine the girls getting a bit hostile if this unknown element were introduced.[/quote]
To avoid this the clubs that allow female customers have unofficial guidelines governing their behavior. See my post at [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=982163&postcount=4417[/url]
[quote=Angus Magee]All that said, I do remember a discussion about this on the Oase (I think) thread. It seems there was a couple showing up there for a while and taking willing girls to the room, presumably all paid. But who knows the arrangement they made. All was fine until the female partner discovered that she herself wanted to work there and signed on as a working girl. Not sure how her male partner felt about this.[/Quote]Actually it was at World with our friends Cordelia and her husband Shiatsu, who is comfortable with this and continues to monger while she plies her trade at World.[QUOTE=Andypandara] Certainly, I could see participation of bi- at a swinger club or something, but generally I would assume that there are clubs that cater specifically to women. [/quote] To the best of my knowledge there aren't any similar clubs to these FKK clubs that cater solely to women. In fact, we had this discussion a number of years ago which was one of the catalysts for Cordelia's first forays into the FKK scene.
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Artemis weekend
Another great weekend at Artemis. My first time doing a there and back in one weekend. Up at 3. 30am on Saturday morning, taxi at 4, train and then a 6. 45am flight. Got me to Artemis for 11. 15. Having got the Airport Express and the S-Bahn to Westkreuz I did the Angus videod Walk of Shame with a spring in my step and smile on my face.
I chilled out for the first couple of hours, it was quiet but with some lovely ladies wandering about and the lovely Jenna sat at the corner of the bar, the newly cleaned and refurbished pool was open for the first day for ages and even the films seemed better than usual.
I partied with blondie Maria from Hungary. A very curvy lady, not fat, just great curves. It was a fun experience greatly enjoyed. She is chatty and easy to get on.
I got chatting to German Ella, very pretty, slim, blonde, I fancied her but thought she was probably opti-fick material and sure enough "I do blow job and sex, that is all" looking at me as if that was enough surely? Pass on Ella then.
Jenna had disappeared with one of her regulars for hours, I finally found her in the bar, we got chatting before retiring for an hour's work out. The combination of huge breasts an uninhibited service is breath taking.
More rest, coffee and come 6pm some food. Roast chicken, potatos and roast sweet peppers. Really rather nice.
Later, digesting in the downstairs Kino I was chatting to a lovely petite Austrian lady (can't remember her name) she is slim, pale skin and bleach blonde hair, something about made me think she would be wild. I was full of food and told her that I would see her later. She laughed, I smiled.
Later, I found the lovely Austrian in the same Kino, snuggled down next to her and a few secons later my cock was down her throat, bliss. We went upstairs and got into it, she is a lady that loves DATY, deep and hard. Such fun.
The evening drew on and more guys arrived, it clearly wasnt going to be super-busy but there seemed to be enough to keep the ladies happy. I had my eye on a new girl, she was a "dirty blonde" who was with her brunette friend, they were chatting to a group of Scandinavian guys on the couches downstairs, both parties were winding each other up and came sooo close to making out on the couches before the girls were taken off to a room. Later I found the dirty blonde (Jo-Lee) at the bar and got chatting. She said she was from Cologne would be at Artemis for 2 weeks. This was her summer holiday.
We went upstairs and Jo-Lee proved to be quite the minx, I was very satisfied and we lay chatting for some time before wandering back down to find her friend looking worried, no other reason than Jo-Lee hadn't told her where she was going.
I had been semi-stalked all day by one of the Romanian girls, didint fancy her but I was polite, she saw me coming downstairs with Jo-Lee and noted that I "only liked blondes". It hadn't occured to me, its not the case, but Saturday had been a blonde day.
I was then tired and so walked back to my hotel (IBIS Messe) for a good nights sleep.
Sunday. Up and Artemis for 11. 15am. On Saturday I has spotted a very pretty brunette, small breats. Lovely bum, great legs. On Sunday I was in the downstairs Kino when she walked past, I called her over and asked her name. "Laura" she said, undid my gown and started sucking, I then dragged her to a room and had a truly wild time, deep DATY, fingers, deep KWT and great sex. Lovely Hungarian service.
I swam, had a sauna and a swim. I read my book by the downstairs bar and had a coffee, Sunday always feel chilled out, mostly older chaps wandering around.
A busty blonde had taken my eye, one of the few girls that isn't shaved. Can't remember her name but she is German of Polish extraction, early 30s and she is sexy as hell. We headed to a room and whilst she was good, Laura had set a high bar.
More relaxing, more chilling. I spotted out a very pretty Malaysian girl but she she seemed to be remarkably uninterested and kept avoiding eye contact with me.
I found the film being shown downstairs particularly arousing and just as I was leaving the Kino, saw Laura and decided that she was what I needed, again. Upstairs and another wild time proceeded. He english is not great but better than she thinks, with a lttle time she relaxed and we chatted away happily.
5. 30pm, I was satisfied and the Airport was calling, I repeated my journey back with the added frustration of a delayed flight. Back home at midnight.
All in all a great weekend, I met 2 exceptional new ladies (Austrian girl and Laura) re-engaged with Jenna and had good fun with 2 others.
I am back again in about 4 weeks.
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Artemis behind the scene
Hi,
I would like to share this Artemis clip with you guys, it's very well run.
[url]http://www.zoharkaniel.com/?p=Films[/url]
Click on the video below about in the middle
Nille