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Kyiv
[QUOTE=CanadianBoy;1281529]In the FSU looking like you have money garnished with a western accent usually means you have money and that is a big plus when meeting women here.[/QUOTE]Right, but as Pedro rightly said to overdo is as bad as dressing too low. Best is to look fashionable and refined, but not obsessed with it. That is why IMO intentionally wearing a suit in a club is ludicrous. We're not in the 90s anymore. Now a sex-weaned foreigner who dress like a "biznessman" solely with the intention to impress is rather a subject of mockery.
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Can anyone give a price quote (average) for an apartment in Kiev for say, a week? Also, when I'm not poon-hunting, what historical sites are there to see in Kiev? I was told it's the oldest city in "Russia".
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Sinanjumaster,
As a son of Chiun, I recommend the tour at the Nuclear plant at Chernobyl. Just ask anybody who glows in the dark for directions.
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So guys, finally somebody (like me) here from Kiev. You can ask me, I can provide help with Kiev, gals, or places. Hope you enjoy the capital of Ukraine!
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rastaman
[i]Kievman-- I am a Black American guy--would I have any problems if I were to visit Kiev or Odesa??? [/i][/QUOTE]
No, man.. ;)
Americans are still welcomed there, and not so much racists there. If only you don't sell drugs. ;)
It's a many places in Kiev, where foreigners can feel safe and comfortable, and not expensive.
May be you got some problems with gals, so be prepared if some of them refused sex with you.
This is not rasism, just common xenofobia, cause we haven't much black people there, like in France, or Germany.
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from chris in the old unkraine archives
'Generally, a sence of jealous xenophobia does exist, always keep a low profile and avoid overcurious local men (this applies especially to black dudes, recently i saw a "gang" of 50 or 60 teenagers beating up a group of tourists in the middle of Kiev, simply 'cause they are black, and nobody...not even the cops did anything about it). '
caution is always prerequisite when traveling in the former soviet union.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by snail
[i]from chris in the old unkraine archives
'Generally, a sence of jealous xenophobia does exist, always keep a low profile and avoid overcurious local men (this applies especially to black dudes, recently i saw a "gang" of 50 or 60 teenagers beating up a group of tourists in the middle of Kiev, simply 'cause they are black, and nobody...not even the cops did anything about it). '
caution is always prerequisite when traveling in the former soviet union. [/i][/QUOTE]
Bullshit!
I live here, but never saw 50 teenagers together. Only with a teacher ;)
Some time ago "skeanheads" attacked jewish church in Kiev. So cops and spetial forces didn't sleep two days, but catch them all! If something happens with citizen of US in the middle of Kiev, some police generals and colonels can have a really big troubles, and they know it.
But after football match Kiev can be a dangerous place (so why I hate this game). And not only for black people. But cops works ok, in any situation...
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hi kievman,
Im looking to make an extended visit to Ukraine this year. Can you provide info about apartment rental? Im looking for a reasonably priced place for a month or two. Also, do you know where I might find a detailed street map of Kiev? Im also looking for all the same info on Odessa. In fact, any info you could point me to in Ukraine besides the usual tourist traps would be helpful.
thanks
beorning
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by beorning
[i]hi kievman,
Im looking to make an extended visit to Ukraine this year. Can you provide info about apartment rental? Im looking for a reasonably priced place for a month or two. Also, do you know where I might find a detailed street map of Kiev? Im also looking for all the same info on Odessa. In fact, any info you could point me to in Ukraine besides the usual tourist traps would be helpful.
thanks
beorning [/i][/QUOTE]
Hotels in Kiev - $12 - $200
apartments $25-$150 (look here: [url]http://kiev2000.com/shop/apartment.asp[/url] )
Maps
here
[url]http://kiev2000.com/mix\map.asp[/url]
or here: [url]www.isgeo.kiev.ua[/url] (server is down now, but try it later)
About usual tourist traps?
Don't know, cause I don't travel ;)
If you only can explain what you mean.. :)
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About Ivano-Frankivsk,
Where do you find the girls there? Are they like FL's or students?
How much do you usually have to pay?
I understand that it is in the Carpathians. Am I right? Is it a big city, or the countryside of Ukraine?
Please give any info regarding the scene in IF. Thanks in advance.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by TRL
[i]About Ivano-Frankivsk,
Where do you find the girls there? Are they like FL's or students?
How much do you usually have to pay?
I understand that it is in the Carpathians. Am I right? Is it a big city, or the countryside of Ukraine?
Please give any info regarding the scene in IF. Thanks in advance. [/i][/QUOTE]
Ivano-Frankivsk a small city, I never visited it.
But as I know - anywhere in the big world girls love you charm and intillegence, or your money. If you have something of it - you can go there. ;) But! In small cities of ex-USSR can be dangerous at evening and night. So, if you got a girl, better don't go so far from center of city. And without girl too.. ;)
About payment.. Me? No fuckin' way! I never pay for it. ;)
But if you want, you can pay in dollars everywhere in Ukraine. Not in shops, but to people for any services. I think in Iv-Frankivsk girl can be about $30-$50 per hour. But if they see, that you are foreigner, they can ask for more. They MAY ask. ;)))
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Kievman,
Thanks for the info on Ivano-Frankivsk. On another note, what do you think of the Ukraine/Russian 'meet your girl' sites. Are they for real or a scam?
Also, are Dnepropetrovsk and Krivoy Rog big cities? How much would hotels/apartments cost in these places? Are there any special rates if you stay like 1 month or longer? How are the girls in this city?
Are you a native Ukrainian? You live in Kiev? Do finance qualified people get alot of income in Kiev?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by TRL
[i]Kievman,
Thanks for the info on Ivano-Frankivsk. On another note, what do you think of the Ukraine/Russian 'meet your girl' sites. Are they for real or a scam?
Also, are Dnepropetrovsk and Krivoy Rog big cities? How much would hotels/apartments cost in these places? Are there any special rates if you stay like 1 month or longer? How are the girls in this city?
Are you a native Ukrainian? You live in Kiev? Do finance qualified people get alot of income in Kiev? [/i][/QUOTE]
Ok, man, here is a some absolutely REAL links:
the biggest in Ukraine
[url]http://www.kievsex.com/ads/index.php?ct=she-he&md=browse&ratedads=1[/url]
another one:
[url]http://www.prosex.com.ua/sex/main.php[/url]
Dnepropetrovsk is a big city, girls are the same in all ukrainian cities ;)
I'm russian, but live in Kiev.
If you can get a job in your country, and your company send you to Ukraine - you will live here like a king.
About jobs here? It exist. ;)
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Thanks for your reply kievman, I first read it yesterday because I forgot about my post! To explain 'tourist traps': in America where I'm from there are places that charge high prices and are marketed to tourists. Consequently the locals don't frequent them much. I expect that there will be places in Ukraine that as an obvious foreigner I will be subject to higher prices than locals think reasonable or pay themselves.
My goal, as a typical greedy american pennypincher, will be to pay local prices, not tourist prices ;).
Also, what's a good place to look for personal accounts of emigration to Ukraine (or other former SB countries), other than escapeartist?
Where is a good english speaking forum about Ukraine?
In short, where do i find inside info on the internet about everything in Ukraine? By "inside info" I mean real information, not western governmental/corporate media and not Ukrainian governmental/corporate data.
Can foreigners really buy land in Ukraine? I just want to buy a few acres of land in a rural area that i can plunk a well onto and retire :).
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Hi
Need some local adivse. Anyone care to recommend a good strip club/bar in Kiev. I'd prefer somewhere without too much hassle, good beer for happy evening viewing. And maybe with the chance to take someone home at the end of the night?
cheers!
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by swanhunter
[i]Hi
Need some local adivse. Anyone care to recommend a good strip club/bar in Kiev. I'd prefer somewhere without too much hassle, good beer for happy evening viewing. And maybe with the chance to take someone home at the end of the night?
cheers! [/i][/QUOTE]
Absolutely you have all chances!
I do not like striptease, so don't know any strip-bars.
But about straight clubs/bars in Kiev can tell more, then anybody ;)
At first, I recommend to check out Eric's bars. Eric is a guy from Germany, living in Kiev and he did GREAT network of GREAT bars.
I never seen something like it. I'ts really european places, in our "asian" city.
You can talk to Eric, and ask about traditions, places and prices in Kiev. I don't mean girls, but may be he can answer something about them. You'll really like this man.
If you want to check out other places - you will need a attendant from here, so you will not have a troubles and lose much more money.
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hy Kievman
i will be in kiev next muont, in daiprp hotel.
i am loking for a sexi girl, escort's' or escort' comp. mybe u can halp me'
i can not ukrine only engilis
thnks
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by her555
[i]hy Kievman
i will be in kiev next muont, in daiprp hotel.
i am loking for a sexi girl, escort's' or escort' comp. mybe u can halp me'
i can not ukrine only engilis
thnks [/i][/QUOTE]
Try it here: [url]http://www.prosex.com.ua/sex/main.php[/url]
I'm just updated "escort" directory of prosex.com.ua, so now some navigation there in english, too.
Click "details", so you can find picture/phone inside.
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thnks Kievman for yoer info.
i try www.prosex.com.ua but isee only ukrine not english. so i can not see nating
olso meby u now how can i leren the ukrine ?
thnks agin
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by her555
[i]thnks Kievman for yoer info.
i try [url]www.prosex.com.ua[/url] but isee only ukrine not english. so i can not see nating
olso meby u now how can i leren the ukrine ?
thnks agin [/i][/QUOTE]
Try to call this girl in Kiev
[url]http://www.prosex.com.ua/love/show2.php?id=78[/url]
She can speak english, and she can help you. Maybe, with another girls. Her name is Karina, phone for now 237-3072 (in Kiev), but you can write e-mail also.
But english on the site too, man. :)
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Can anybody tell me a get place in Cherkassy ? I am looking for something like resttown
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It has been almost a year since my last visit to Kiev. I have lost the numbet to the vip service at the airport. Does anyone know the number. Oh and any recomendations on good place to stay. Last trip I was at Primear Palace, would like to find something a little more umm friendlier to guests. Any assistance in these areas would be helpful.
Thanks
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I stayed at the Dnipro. They have a stripclub there that you can bring girls back to your room.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by theguyfromny
[i]I stayed at the Dnipro. They have a stripclub there that you can bring girls back to your room. [/i][/QUOTE]
Dnipro is good. And not expensive. Kievman recommends. ;-)
But girls better you find through the net.
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Hello, I ll be in kiev for two week in november, help me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
where is the best way to find girls? no to much epensive.....
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Hi everybody
I am planning to go 2 months in Ukraine. I would need some advises'
first, is it better to stay in Odessa or Kiev?
What about Crimea?
Advises for flat rental per month...
what are the good places to meet some girls, not prostitutes?
In case of prostitutes, how much it costs....
thanks
bye bye
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by tristan
[i]Hi everybody
I am planning to go 2 months in Ukraine. I would need some advises'
first, is it better to stay in Odessa or Kiev?
What about Crimea?
Advises for flat rental per month...
what are the good places to meet some girls, not prostitutes?
In case of prostitutes, how much it costs....
thanks
bye bye [/i][/QUOTE]
1: Sure in Kiev! Odessa is good city, but Kiev is capital of Ukraine - and that's all ;)
2: Crimea? Only if you want to unite with nature.
In this case you will need a guide, "ranger".
Cities in Crimea dirty and poor, service is terrible.
Black sea? In November? ;)
3: Flat? From $200 per month to.. you know, it's no limit to perfection. :)
4: Prostitutes here - $50/hour, $70 - two hours.
But if you want to meet "straight" girls, and spend much more money.. ;)) You can write me at admin@prosex.com.ua - I'll show you that places. Sure, not for free. For beer. ;))))
mcammor: that's all apply to you, too ;)
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Guys,
I traveled extensively in Europe and Middle East, but never been to Ukraine. I can understand why Americans are afraid of going there, but even my Russian friends were warning me against Ukraine. Since every westerner is assumed to be rich and loaded with $'s they were getting robbed all over the place. A country where people survive through different forms of stealing...
Let me ask you what you think about the current Ukraine. How did things change in the last 4-5 years? How safe is Kiev for a foreigner? I appreciated it if you could share your expericences...
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Does anyone know where the streetwalkers are in Kiev ?
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OK, what are the "girl friendly" hotels in Kiev, or those that offer them via room service or in the lobby? I could use a good massage after a hard days' work.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Explorer8939
[i]OK, what are the "girl friendly" hotels in Kiev, or those that offer them via room service or in the lobby? I could use a good massage after a hard days' work. [/i][/QUOTE]
Any at center of Kiev. Try to look at hall. Or they can call you in your room
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by theguyfromny
[i]Does anyone know where the streetwalkers are in Kiev ? [/i][/QUOTE]
"Pobedy" street. Not so much girls there, cause policemans.
"Okruzhna road" (road encircle Kiev). Ugly, cheap and could be sick.
I don't recommend streetwalkers.
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Kievman:
How about the Dnipro?
I am looking for a reasonably priced hotel that I can book over the Internet that has friendly girls downstairs.
One possibility is to stay at the Boryspil hotel, near the airport, less travel.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kievman
[i]Any at center of Kiev. Try to look at hall. Or they can call you in your room [/i][/QUOTE]
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Kievman- Sounds like a decent offer on seeing some fun places in kiev while i visit. Just buy a few beers , sounds worth it. Im have been to kiev a couple times before. January 13-24 I will be wondering around kiev.
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I hope to be going to the Crimea in the early spring (march) and was wondering if anybody knew any details about the area. Are there any hotels there that are girl friendly? How about any nightclubs, or other places to find many women? Where is the best place to pick up women besides the beach, since it will still be cold in March? Are there any places that I shouldn't stay?
Eddy
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What do locals pay for a lap dance? What do they pay for sex for a hour with a hottie? Anyone know?
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Kievman!
Im going to Ukraine, and possible Moldova after christmas.
Do you have an emailadres we can keep in touch with? I need to ask you some questions.
And sure: ill ble pleased to go out, take som beers and chat, between all the shagging.
;))
write to me at: hrchrister@hotmail.com
see you.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Armorer
[i]Kievman- Sounds like a decent offer on seeing some fun places in kiev while i visit. Just buy a few beers , sounds worth it. Im have been to kiev a couple times before. January 13-24 I will be wondering around kiev. [/i][/QUOTE]
It's okey. You know, how to find me. ;)
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by BigthDikth
[i]What do locals pay for a lap dance? What do they pay for sex for a hour with a hottie? Anyone know? [/i][/QUOTE]
"lap dance" is out of my vocabulary.
But straight sex is about $50 / hour.
For foreigners they can TRY to ask for more.
It all depends of your trade skills ;)
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I was in Kiev about a year and a half ago, and had the following experiences. There was an irish pub type place frequented by expats, and I met one girl there who was sitting at the bar alone. She turned out to be "working". Not that cute, really, and when we got back to my place, she said a few things that just rubbed me the wrong way. That was all I needed so I sent her packing. I was still nice enough to give her cab fare.
I did also go to the Milennium strip club. Expensive joint, so I just refused to buy them any wine, chocolates. or any of that stuff. I knew what I wanted spend my money on. I left with a very hot 19-20 yr old, tall & thin with red/brown hair. Of course her name was "Natasha"... Anyway, she spent the whole night, we even showered together. One of my most memorable fucks, she really went at it. Cost 2 bills.
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Hi kievman, I am planning to go to Kiev sometime on the second week of January. I will be staying in Kiev for may be two to three months and I want to place an Ads in Kiev paper for a girl that would take care of me during my stay. What newspaper should I advertise it ? Thanks.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by plasticbird53
[i]Hi kievman, I am planning to go to Kiev sometime on the second week of January. I will be staying in Kiev for may be two to three months and I want to place an Ads in Kiev paper for a girl that would take care of me during my stay. What newspaper should I advertise it ? Thanks. [/i][/QUOTE]
Sorry, but I don't know such newspaper (but maybe it exists)
What you mean "take care"? Sex, escort, translating or what?
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Can anyone recommend any good Hotels where there are working girls in the bars
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I was wondering about Gia agency. What is their reputation, how friendly are the girls, would you use them?
Thank you
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hi !
I'm coming in two weeks to kiev. I just want to know
which disco is the most upscale one ? can anyone help
me out ?
I'm scouting for a pan-european escort agency. If there is
anyone out there which knows girls who
want to come for 3 months to europe. basic english
or german is necessary. I would pay a commission. girls
should be >170cm with russian figure 40-42.
thanks
o
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Can you tell me what percentage of girls speak English in Kiev, and in Odessa.
Which would be best in June.
Thanks
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Based on my experience I'd say that 1 out of 10 might be able to converse to a basic degree there. consider Odessa & Kiev essentially the same as per that statistic, Odessa is more beautiful but not so easy to get to, Kiev is an elegant city quite easy to get to as it is the hub of the nation. In June both would be just fine. which one would I pick? Both!
[QUOTE]Originally posted by travelmen
[i]Can you tell me what percentage of girls speak English in Kiev, and in Odessa.
Which would be best in June.
Thanks [/i][/QUOTE]
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Thanks rendorseg
Which is the better place for finding a non-pro? I heard Odessa was good but it is a fair journey.
I think I shall be there during the week. Not sure how busy Kiev is away from the weekend?
Would I perhaps find that in certain bars there are more english speakers?
Is it still worth going if I only speak English? I prefer picking up the semi/non pros for all night.
Thinking of trying Sofia and Bucarest also. Any comments there.
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If you speak no slavic languages and not Roumanian then seeking nonpros or semis will be an exercise in ... well a waste of a lot of time. Often the hotels have their in house *****s but usually they're overpriced and used-old. I suggest that instead you go to captain69.co.uk and go to their section on Ukraine and they you'll see listings for agencies in Odessa, Kiev all over. Since you'd be in the city you could pay for 1/2 nite fee and then if afterwards you wish to strike a deal outside the agency since you'll be in the city... well I think you'll have a more satisfying outcum..... basically, play your bets in several ways, don't just solely rely on streets or hotel *****s or roll dice on picking up semis...
have a fun adventure!
Rendorseg
[QUOTE]Originally posted by travelmen
[i]Thanks rendorseg
Which is the better place for finding a non-pro? I heard Odessa was good but it is a fair journey.
I think I shall be there during the week. Not sure how busy Kiev is away from the weekend?
Would I perhaps find that in certain bars there are more english speakers?
Is it still worth going if I only speak English? I prefer picking up the semi/non pros for all night.
Thinking of trying Sofia and Bucarest also. Any comments there. [/i][/QUOTE]
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The women on captain69 are way over-priced and you have to pay to get any "useful" information. A waste of time and money.
Go out to the nightclubs - you'll find the women easy enough.
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I concur but then again if he wants to hedge his bets he could see an agency gal (and they often are tops) for 2 hours, pay that rate then go independent with her for other times at a fraction the price!
[QUOTE]Originally posted by jak
[i]The women on captain69 are way over-priced and you have to pay to get any "useful" information. A waste of time and money.
Go out to the nightclubs - you'll find the women easy enough. [/i][/QUOTE]
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Just go to Hollywood or River Palace discos. Many girls speak English and all (or all who will engage you in conversation) are available. Just say you want company for the night.
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I'm planning a trip to Kiev end may. Are River Palace, Hollywood, Dynamo Lux, Rest Town still the best places to visit to find company ? Any info about bars/discos where to meet local girls ( amateurs/students ) ? Thanks for your tips.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by MarkABC
[i]I'm planning a trip to Kiev end may. Are River Palace, Hollywood, Dynamo Lux, Rest Town still the best places to visit to find company ? Any info about bars/discos where to meet local girls ( amateurs/students ) ? Thanks for your tips. [/i][/QUOTE]
in my modest opinion the best is rest town.....
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Hello all it has been near a year since my last visit To Kiev. Sorry Kievman I wasn't able to come in January. I have the time now on may. May 6-14. Looking on a differant place to stay. Called my last contact and he is not so reliable lately. Also any new places of interest? I lovem tall and blonde. Later and happy hunting.
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Hi guys,
I am planning a 7 days trip to the Ukraine in August with a couple of friends for the sole reason of mongering. Since none of us has ever been to the Ukraine, here are some questions:
1) We will either go to Odessa or Simferopol. Which is the better place to go to ?
2) Is renting an apartment in either of these places a good idea. There are adds on the internet saying it is just 40 bucks per day. Are these adds serious and are these kind of apartments clean ?
3) Is it true that the local amateurs are very keen on Western Europeans and therefore very easy to get to bed ?
4) Which are the most famous places for hoockers in the above mentioned places ?
5) How about normal bars/discos with amateurs ? Are there (m)any ?
6) What are the "rules" in these places ? Do you approach a girl yourself or wait until you get a signal from her, resp. do they approach you ?
Thanks a lot in advance
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Hello All from Kiev this has been a relaxing sty I must say. My appartment was clean and very nice. I Visited most everywhere I wanted this time and Met some wonderful girls. I still have a couple days left before returning to USA .I would like to have a longer trip. So far the only trouble is tracking down a girl I met while here last couple trips. Kinda hard to track her down this time , Mobile not working. Oh well. Have fun
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Hello Armorer!
Good to see your post. It seems to me that this forum is almost dead if you compare it for example with the one for Moldavia.
I will be in kiev on July for the first time. Could you give your tips to chase effectively non-pros girls there?
You seem to have a good experience of that city.
Many thanks in advance.
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Traveller22
Well I just returned home. I had a wonderful time. Looking for no pro is not to hard. There are many places to go. I mean you can Just walk the main street Kreschatik. It is always alive and abundant with chances to meet the ladies. When you arrive just hunt a copy of WHats-on. It is an english mag that is put out once a week and lets you know what is going on in the city and also lista local clubs, discos and so on it is a free. It is handy little guide. But basicaly be nice and just talk to them and buy drinks or whatever. If you are looking for the nonpro.
ITs not to hard. Well I have to make this short got to get back to the work thing. Well let me know if you ahve any other questions. HAve you found a place to stay? Anything like that.
Well have fun.
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Hello Armorer!
Many thanks for your feed back!
Finally I am planning to stay 3 weeks in Kiev next month, in June!
I would like to ask you 2 questions about visas. Is it true that for private visas you just have to write the name and address of a person who is living in Ukraine and that they even don't verify? How did you do to get your your own visa?
I tried to contact the ukrainian embassy in Switzerland, where I am living, and I fell on an answering machine. I sended them a fax but without any answer till now! So I really don't know what to do now!
Thanks in advance for your help and your excellent posts too.
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I've been visiting some of the Ukrainian websites and have
noticed some girls talking about sponsers. Don't understand
if they're looking to visit abroad or if it's some term that means
something else. At first I thought I got into a matchmaking
site by accident...but nope!
Anyone?
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GoodLifeLiver-
This is also common in Russia. It's basically a woman that is looking to be "kept". Help her with her living expenses in order for her to be your girlfriend (whenever you need one).
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Traveller22 --
Will be following you to kiev in August for the entire month. No solid plans, except that I will be there for 4-6 weeks.
Will be waiting for your report for most up-to-date info.
Thinking about staying with a host family for a week or so until I can get the lay of the land (first time in Ukraine). Will probably get an apartment after that.
In the process of learning Russian right now, since I know it will give me an edge with the non-pros.
Anyway, have fun. Take lots of notes!
Yossarian99
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Traveller22,
Well first I am sorry for takeing so long to respond. I have been rather preoccupied lately. Well I use a visa service that obtains a tourist visa for me. Small fee included. After that I rent an appartment and just explore. If you have any need for further info drop me a line at baybilly@hotmail.com . I'll do my best to answer any questions then. Well sorry this is shor but I have to get going good luck.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Armorer
[i]Traveller22,
Well first I am sorry for takeing so long to respond. I have been rather preoccupied lately. Well I use a visa service that obtains a tourist visa for me. Small fee included. After that I rent an appartment and just explore. If you have any need for further info drop me a line at baybilly@hotmail.com . I'll do my best to answer any questions then. Well sorry this is shor but I have to get going good luck. [/i][/QUOTE]Armorer --
Can you provide some more info on your recent trip to Ukraine? Per my message to Traveller22 below, I will be in Ukraine for 4-6 weeks in August but with not solid plans once I am there.
Thanks,
Yossarian99
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Hello Armorer and Yossarian999!
I am in Kiev since the first of June. I will stay a few weeks. Maybe till the end of the month. I have a lot of free time but i must confess you my friends that I am not very proud of myself. I see everyday in kiev so much beautiful girls but something is inhibiting me! Because of this damned fear of rejection i didn't talk directly to any girls yet. Such a shame! I don't want to bother you too long with my inhibitions but maybe, armorer, you could give me some tricks! I know that the main trick is in fact just to try but those girls are so impressive.
I will be this week end in Odessa. Will post I hope some more positive reports then!
See you soon my friends!
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Traveller22- I am not really sure what to tell you excpet, just start by sayin Hello. Be yourself. Thats all I can say. I know how you feel about rejection, but got to try. All else fails yhou can always go pro, and that can be as fun. good luck.
Yossarian99- Well going to be spending much time there in august? Is this for a school? Best thing I can say is don't be shy, go out and dance and check the parks out, beach. Where ever people are. Can go danceing at disco, its all up to you. I can say this much there is alot of fun to be had for he who is brave.
Also anyone emailing me please put something about Ukraine or Kiev inthe subject. Getting alot of junk mail lately and kinda scrapping it . Well I got to run anything else email me at baybilly@hotmail.com
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Armorer
[i]Traveller22- I am not really sure what to tell you excpet, just start by sayin Hello. Be yourself. Thats all I can say. I know how you feel about rejection, but got to try. All else fails yhou can always go pro, and that can be as fun. good luck.
Yossarian99- Well going to be spending much time there in august? Is this for a school? Best thing I can say is don't be shy, go out and dance and check the parks out, beach. Where ever people are. Can go danceing at disco, its all up to you. I can say this much there is alot of fun to be had for he who is brave.
Also anyone emailing me please put something about Ukraine or Kiev inthe subject. Getting alot of junk mail lately and kinda scrapping it . Well I got to run anything else email me at baybilly@hotmail.com [/i][/QUOTE]
Traveller22,
I'ts too bad you don't have a "wing man". I am quite shy myself and find a wing man to be very helpful.
When travelling alone, a common technique I frequently use is to try and ask for directions in russian / ukrainian while holding a phrase book in my hand. The idea of a helpless tourist asking for directions seems to disarm them just long enough to get you in the door. This little ploy announces to them that you are not just another local guy. At that point, their curiosity takes over, and you'll be having coffee (or sex) with them in no time. The key to remember is you are working the odds. If you get brushed off the first time, try again, and again, and again. No matter who you are, sooner or later, you WILL succeed, my friend.
Armorer,
My trip is purely for pleasure. I have a month vacation, and decided to just stay in one city (Kiev) or maybe two (Kiev and Odessa). I was hoping to get some tips on how I should approach vacationing in these cities.
Yossarian99
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T22, use a trick that seems to always work without threatening you or the girl... Simply ask directions in English or your native language. Then, she will either help you or wave you off. Once she responds in English, you can expand the conversation. Who knows where it will lead.
You will not always get a positive reaction, but you've got to remember that even a 10% success rate will work in your favor if it leads to a cup of coffee, then lunch/dinner, then maybe a club and then...
Try it until it works...
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T22
I've tried that system of pick up many times in Moscow. If you are staying at a nice hotel, ask for directions to that hotel, if there's a smile and nod, you have struck gold. Invite that chick to the hotel and before you know it, something can develop. I would say a 30% success ration is possible. Good luck and happy punting.
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What language is most common they speak? Can I manage in Ukraine with english?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Traveller22
[i]Hello Armorer and Yossarian999!
I am in Kiev since the first of June. I will stay a few weeks. Maybe till the end of the month. I have a lot of free time but i must confess you my friends that I am not very proud of myself. I see everyday in kiev so much beautiful girls but something is inhibiting me! Because of this damned fear of rejection i didn't talk directly to any girls yet. Such a shame! I don't want to bother you too long with my inhibitions but maybe, armorer, you could give me some tricks! I know that the main trick is in fact just to try but those girls are so impressive.
I will be this week end in Odessa. Will post I hope some more positive reports then!
See you soon my friends! [/i][/QUOTE]Hey Traveller22,
This site has been quiet for the last couple weeks. Let us know what and how you are doing in Kiev and Odessa. Are you in hotels or apartments? Give some suggestions if you have any.
Yossarian99
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any recommendations on good, cheap, monger friendly accomadation in kiev? looking in the $30-50 range/night.
tiger.
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Hey guys,
Coming to Kiev in July (on or around the 9th) and would like to rent an apartment for a week. Anyone have any good contacts? Please email me at michaelgage@mail.ru
Michael
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michael - great reports on moscow - please post any reviews on this thread (from your experiences when you go to kiev) as well.
tiger.
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Four days in Kiev with some good to tell, and some bad.
First, I found a great flat, just off the center street (Kreshadak) that is totally private and western. In fact, its the only Ukrainian flat I've ever seen with its own private entrance. I'll post and recommend the young lady who helped me with this later, as her contact info isn't handy at the moment. I HIGHLY recommend her.
Second, I spent 2 nights combing the streets trying to just compare the lineups with Moscow's. It really is bad here. My verdict, just write it off and don't waste your time. In those two nights and who knows how many hours I found 2 girls that might rank a 7, possible 8.
Third, Resttown is closed for renovations.
Fourth, River Palace is a "nightflight" wanna be (if you've been to Moscow) with some quality girls. The girls will tell you the going rates vary from 500 a night to 300 a night (which made me laugh inside, as they were trying to milk the foreigner). I walked out with a great catch at $100. Just buy them drinks, take your good old time, and let the pressure of the sale work on them. One frequent hound told me he never pays more than $100. With the 9's and 10's floating around, if you did pay $150 you'd probably be happy, but don't ruin the economy in one shot, okay?
Fifth, walked down the main street at 11:30 one night, said hello to a cute 19 year old blonde walking by herself. She said hello back at me, and 2 drinks later we were walking to my flat for 4 bangs throughout the night I will not soon forget. Total cost? A small bar tab and about five years of language acquisition.
Sixth, stopped in the next night at a local pub/bar called Cowboys. The name made me laugh so I thought I would look. Had a beer and caught the eye of a cute blonde sitting with two friends. We chatted, and I almost walked off thinking she was a normal girl and not working when she got flirty. She was a working girl, but new at the job. I told her I wasn't interested in that, really needed a girlfriend and about 30 minutes later was hailing a taxi with her on my arm. Total cost: a slightly larger bar tab and cab fare for her in the morning.
So now I have two girlfriends I can call, and not sure tonight what I will do or learn. I guess I'll post you that later.
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Is Kiev worth visiting if you don't speak Russian? I was in Riga recently and found it very difficult to communicate without Russian, they seemed to understand my English but not want to communicate.
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Goldfinger - Not so easy to find english speaking girls in Kiev but girls are really more friendly than Letonian ones as they really want to try to communicate ( ie in Mc Donalds, in shops or on the main street called Krashatik ).
But you will find for sure english speaking girls in River Palace, Moda Bar... Never pay more than 100 USD for 2-3 hours even if some 9's or 10's will try to charge you 200 USD per hour... Just send her away, there are so many good looking girls available each night...
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Got busy into the evening with work -- yes actual work -- so I hit River Palace at about 1am. The girls were busy dancing which is a nice way to show off the wares. I have to admit there may be more quality here than nightflight, although the attitudes are different too.
I do recommend complete negotiations before you head out with your girl -- I picked a real life 10 (if you took the genes of claudia shiffler and kim bassinger and mixed them, you'd see what I mean) and I actually agreed to $150 cuz she was so hot and I felt generous. I can't believe I did it, actually. It's funny that one hour is usually $50 and all night can be negotiated down to $100. If you can count without using your fingers you can see it's a real savings, ha!
At any rate, all went VERY well for the first 2 bangs, and then she said it was time for her to go home (4 am) and I said, politely, no it's for all night. She informed me very quickly that was not the case (4 am is when her morning starts so she can go do whatever she wants to do) and everything turned cold and hard. She didn't run out, but the passion sure did. Eventually, I just opened the door and let her go. Also, she was one of the hard line pros and wouldn't kiss (how I hate that) and had filled herself with some septic cream so forget enjoying oral on her glorious body, etc. To top it off, she only had 2 condoms and there was no way I was allowed to do anything (including her giving oral) without a condom.
So today I spent trying another line -- I asked a working girl to help me find other girls that are not so easy to find. She made some calls for me on her mobile, but was not successful. Then she suggested we just walk around and she would talk to candidates. I was floored, but about 45 minutes later I was in heaven with one we stopped on the street and chatted up for about 15 minutes -- she was from out of town and needed to earn some cash. So don't forget to ask the girls you have for further leads.
Tomorrow I'm off to other regions of the Ukraine. That should be very, very interesting.
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MichaelGage:
Please keep posting your Ukraine adventures. I am following with great pleasure. I just got back from Russia, and think of going to Ukraine on my next trip. Unfortunately compared to Russia, the Ukraine section is pretty dead. Good luck!
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MichaelGage,
I want to offer my thanks for your pioneering work here. I´ve been exploring the E. European countries in the last three years with an eye to going into the Ukraine and the smaller cities of Russia next year for two months. I´ll be starting my formal Russian lessons in the fall. Thanks for your great posts - they´re appreciated.
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I will be travel to Kiev and Odesa in Oct. yes Oct.
Anyone have contacts for cheep but nice places to stay, or where to meet local and working girls?
Thanks in advance.
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I was in Kiev about eight weeks ago at the end of May, 2003. I found it quite easy to make contact with both professional and amateur girls. It helps that I was staying in an apartment so there was absolutely no problem about doormen etc.
For the semi-professional I found that the Riverboat had more than sufficient variety from which to choose. About the only reservation about this place is that it is dead until after 11:00 - I am not a young man and much prefer to be having my sex before midnight than afterwards. On both occasions that I went there I ended up with a stunningly beautiful girl/lady to whom I paid about $70 for a complete performance although there was no suggestion in either case that they would stay the night - both had children at home (or so they told me). Both ladies were also following full time legitimate jobs. I can't pass on telephone numbers because although they were freely given both seem to have changed as I can't get any reply.
For the professional experience I telephoned one of the contacts from the back of the What's On magazine. The young lady who was sent to me was called Olga (aren't they all!). She was really super - about 20 y-o, with long blonde hair, tall and slim with big breasts. The rules of her employment meant that she has to phone as soon as she arrives and to phone as soon as she is leaving - I guess this is to stop longer sessions being granted without the agency having their cut. I found this a little offputting. She cost me $50 for the hour and was worth every penny of it. In fact I saw her four times altogether during my trip. She had very little English but I have a little Russian. I was interested to discover during the postcoital coffee that she is on the books of almost all of the advertisers in the book and that they were owned by only 3 different owners/managers so any attempt to shop around would be unlikely to be productive. But for the price (plus tip) I thought the value was excellent. She gave me her telephone number but, again, it is now not answering - I don't know if this is a permanent feature of life in Kiev.
I am back in Ukraine in Late August and for almost all of September. I also have to travel to Kharkiv, Poltava, Donetsk, Simferopol, L'vivand Zhytomir. Can anyone help me to ensure that my stays (of at least two nights in each city) will not be 'bone dry'?
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Cundum, Michael gage is the only one around here who can help you. I guess he is swamped with beautiful Ukranian girls somewhere in the countryside. Please keep posting about Ukraine.
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Odessa --> If any of you have good leads for hot independent ladies down there kindly let me know.
Thanks!
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Hi, I will be making a big tour around Eastern Europe, also planning to stay in Kiev, Odessa and any other town that might be worth a visit. I am looking to get in touch with some locals who can also speak English or German, who have good knowledge of local prostituion scene and good communicative skills trying to make some money or find a new well paid job. Please get in touch with me or perhaps you can give me a referal of someone trustworthy who might be able to help me out in some of those towns?
puxilove@hotmail.com
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No reply from Michael Gage. If you are out there I'd really appreciate some feedback on life and times in the provincial cities. I will be in Kiev next Monday 25th August and then in the regions from the following Monday. One possible plan is to visit the various 'marriage agencies' in Kiev and ask them to arrange 'dates' for me in the towns I shall be visiting. I had started to follow this strategy on my last visit (which was also my first) but I was at that time only considering Kiev. I abandoned the idea when I discovered exactly how easy it was to make contact with willing and reasonable ladies in the capital.
If it takes me two or three days to understand the geography and set-up of each of the cities I will be visiting I will have left before I make any fruitful contacts. When I spoke to the agencies before, they were quite willing to consider the idea but were still expecting to make $50 per introduction which is quite an overhead cost on the normal service price and could even be seen as expensive against a very uncertain outcome. I would aim to be totally honest up front that this was not to be a date with marriage in mind and hope to meet some reasonably adventurous ladies who are willing to take a chance on sharing a meal and possibly more. Has anyone got any comments on my proposed modus operandi?
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Like you, I'm planning a trip to Kharkov in March. I've been patiently waiting for Michael Gage to respond as well.
I've been checking out Ukraine for over three years now. My research tells me there should be no shortage of willing females especially when the universities are in session.
I'm going over to meet a ukrainian lady as a prospective wife and also to work on one of my part time hobbies, photography. So I'll be photographing some lovely ukrainian ladies as well.
I've also met some guys here locally who have been as well. They have told me a lot.
One of the biggest things not to do is act like a typical american male when you get over there. In other words don't come across as brash, overbearing or the usual "I'm an American and my sh_t doesn't stink."
MTV just did a special earlier this year and the guy was a total jerk. Don't act like him.
If you have time beforehand, take some russian classes at a local university or contact them to see if they have any russian/ukrainian students. Chances are they do. If so, see if they'd be willing to give you language lessons. It also allows you the chance to interact with someone who can give you some background on the country and probably some good info on how to pick up the ladies.
I met a lovely young lady from Kiev in my Business Law class. Anastasiya has agreed to tell me about how not to behave and how to behave. Also to help me with my russian before I go.
Read the archives here for some good info as well. There are also some good websites that might give you some info as well.
Basically be nice. Check out the local bars/clubs around the universities. Dress nice and don't act like a jerk.
Personally, I can't wait to get over to Kharkov. I've heard a lot of good things about it. I'll be flying Austrian Airlines. Darn it! I'll have to spend the night in Vienna on the way back.
Do some research on the country and customs before you go. Read Culture Shock Ukraine for some good info as well. Very informative book.
Michael Gage, I hope you post soon or that I maybe get the chance to meet you in Ukraine for some good pointers.
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Well, I leave in a few days for Odessa - even without MG's comments I think I'll do fine... I contacted an Odessa Escort agency thinking of a 3some but when he quoted me the rate of $800 total I told him it was simply way over local rates - he never replied but tough. But there are some long beautiful avenues supposedly in the daytime with hot chicks strolling, showing lots of skin.. and in the evening more hot chicks at the clubs, showing lots of skin. Can't wait!
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Pacific Creek:
Can you please post some of websites to look for info on Ukraine? The lack of information about Ukraine is really frustrating...
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Well I'll be in Kharkiv on Sunday evening 31st August (but quite late) and on Mondya nad Tuesday evenings so I might be able to pass you on some news. Some previous local knowledge would be a great help but will do my best anyway.
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If you have time get a copy of Culture Shock: Ukraine. It really does have a lot of good info on it. It was written by a lady who traveled and lived in Ukraine.
For website,
kharkov.vbelous.net/index_e.htm
hotel.kharkov.ua
travelersdigest.com/kharkov.htm
ecsoc2.hcc.ru/a0008/index-2.html
www-ihq.etec.uni-karlsruhe.de/main/staff/freude/khakov.htm
slavweb.com/eng/fsu/ukr-e.html
pages.prodigy.net/l.hodges/ukraine.htm
escort.odessa.ua
Summertime in the Ukraine is supposed to be awesome with the women wearing almost next to nothing or a lot of see through type clothing.
Remember, don't act nekulterney (uncultured) and you should do fine. Try and pick up a language book as well if you can. Lonely planets is pretty informative as well.
Just remember to make sure the girl at the club is of age. They mature early over there and the clubs don't seem to mind letting the younger ones in. Read the archives here and you should do okay.
Just be nice, buy them drinks, treat them well.
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Cundum,
Here is some info for you on Kharkov. I am not the source of this information, I read it elsewhere. Hope it will help...
"A newer disco is located in the center, the complex is called the disco Argus, which consists of a disco, called Mask, a sauna, a modern bowling alley and billards room. The people who visit the Disco Mask are the cities upper class, the new Russains and western visitors. The prices are very good, 5 Ukr. to enter and 5 ukr for a bottle of Ukr beer. As you enter the disco continue to walk towards the bathrooms and you'll notice a room with top less dancers, this room costs 50 Ukr (about $8.50) to enter and for that price all night you can watch beautiful girls dancing topless in a thong. These girls are also avalible to take to the sauna for a rate of $60 an hour. If the girl likes you, it is possilbe for an overnight for about $150. If you want a grilfriend the best disco is the disco 2000, located a few miles outside of center. The girls who visit this disco are all locals, and the female to male ratio is 4 to 1. On each side of the disco you'll notice a bar with tables near by, just sit at a empty table and buy a round of drinks for a table of girls who will be sitting near by. Then join the girls and try to communicate with the girl you are most attracted to. "
Have fun and please report your experiences!!!
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Hedonist - thanks a lot for that. I'll let you know the outcome.
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anyone have any websites where you can see the girls with telephone, prices etc? no agencies just the private ads of girls?
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hello guys,
I am an experienced pussy hound down in Bucharest. I am going to start to travel to Kiev for work, and would like to get laid in the evenings, prefferably not from pros.
Any advice for me as to how i can achieve this? Websites? Chat rooms? I want to make some friends before i get there.
Thanks
RoPickle
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I've been reading the reviews with a great surprise as if there were another Ukraine and another Kiev that I've never been, so it's time for you to learn the real facts folks!
It's a great shame and an insult on Ukrainians at the same time to be considered as a part of Russia and on the same level as Russians because the difference between the two countries and the two cultures is like dark and light! When you take into consideration that the Russians especially from Moscow are as cold as ice from Siberia and that the Ukrainians are as warm-hearted and friendly as it can be, you could easily call Russia as hell and Ukraine as paradise to show the difference. Besides, the Ukrainians don't look like the Russians they hate so much (They don't hate anyone except the Russians and they have millions of reasons to do so,believe me!) at all and you can feel so free and comfortable to walk on the streets,wherever you're from.
The action is really on the streets and you'll be amazed by the proportion of girls to boys wandering on the streets(for me it's just 100% for my eyes can only see girls!). Surprisingly,boys are not aware of the situation and they're only interested in boys (the number of rapidly increasing blue bars in Kiev is stunning compared to Europe!), so that makes life even easier even if you're not so good at getting along with new girls. Just walk along Kreshetuk right in the center and uphill on the backstreets of Padole and you'll be amazed by the scene and be sorry for not visiting Kiev before instead of Paris or any other place in Europe or the world!
Maybe the Ukrainians are not the richest people in Europe,but they surely know how to live,which is lacking in whole Europe and especially the States. Life goes on for 24 hrs in Kiev and there's no time at all for sleep! I mean where else in Europe or in the world would you find decent restaurants, casinos, bars, discos open for 24hrs? Once you find an Ukrainian girlfriend (of course never limit yourself by 1 or 2) the street action starts and you'll never know what's gonna show up next and this is what the real excitement is all about. An Ukrainian girlfriend has millions of girlfriends and literally all girls in the city know each other! Can you imagine?
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Vegamars,
You obviously have a great appreciation for the Ukrainian culture and women - and Kiev.
I'll be making an extended trip there next summer. What do you base your observations of the Ukrainian scene on? You present your comments as facts, whereas the other posters seem to be totally missing the experience. What are your thoughts as to this difference in experience and why?
Thanks.
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It all depends on you to be a part of this culture or not. If you act like you are in the States or west Europe or even Russia, you'll never have even the slightest chance to feel the difference and the real scene.
There are not so many places in the world where you can have this priority and this is why I think you should try here until the last possible point. All you have to do is to feel comfortable at all times and to feel totally relaxed to be right in the street action wherever you are and whatever you're doing! Remember there's no limit in what's gonna show up and what your mind can even imagine!
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Vegamars,
I was curious if you think I have been posting wrong info. I think Ukraine I have in mind is the one you have in mind.
The people there are definitely warm and outgoing. I have seen the difference between the russian ladies I know and Anastasiya from my law class who is from Kiev.
I will admit my first hand knowledge is limited as opposed to someone who has actually been in the country but I have tried to learn as much as I can.
The official language spoken is Ukrainian but Russian is still spoken by more than half the population. Besides, that I haven't been able to find any Ukrainian language tapes. Just Russian.
I think the overall economy in Ukraine is better than in Russia. The exchange rate should give a good example.
One US Dollar gets you 30 Russian Rubles
One US Dollar gets you 5.4 Ukrainian Hryvnia
I have heard the same thing. The ladies are on the streets and in the clubs.
So, please advise me if I have been posting wrong info. I would like to know so that I can learn.
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Pacific,
Dude, sorry, but you are way, way off with that exchange rate statement below...
Its the cost of living vs. the average salary, converted to a hard currency, that will roughly let you compare places...
Your formula says that
Moldova with ~14.00 LEI to the dollar
has a better economy than Japan, with ~110 yen to the dollar
The price of a street blowjob by the loop road of a major city is a good comparative indicator....
RP
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Vegamars,
I agree on a lot you have to say about the Ukraine, it is a great place and Ukrainians and Russians aren't the same.
However Russians aren't as cold as ice...or maybe you've just met the wrong ones? Or I met the right ones? Russians (at least in Moscow) also live 24-7 and if you meet "real" Russians and are not restricted to dealing with burned out prostitutes or snobby elite new Russians you'll likely experience a similar reception as in the Ukraine. At least that is my experience.
The key is getting beyond normal expat circles and tapping the real culture. Learn the language, at least Russian, and you'll do 100 times better than you did before.
And the Ukraine is not a richer country than Russia, the streets of Moscow and the bordellos of the world are filled with Ukrainian girls who aren't working because they love it, but rather because their country is dirt poor and they can't get any other kind of decent work.
Bad for them, good for guys looking for Slavic women.
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You are totally beyond the real essence of the topic. I've been to almost every country ( take a look at Turkey and Cyprus sections) with the right choices, but nothing compares to living in the air with a real real Ukrainian girlfriend who would make you feel in paradise. This has nothing to do with richness cause real richness is in the mind and the heart!
The *****s on the streets have nothing to do with the scene. You can see streetgirls everywhere in the world, in Russia, Italy, France, even hundreds of them at daytime right in the middle of New York or Hollywood in L.A.
By the way, all Ukrainians especially in big cities except Lvov on the west speak Russian cause Ukrainian belongs to countryside and besides there are so many different dialects of it!
A small hint, never ever try to speak Ukrainian to a young lady! So, you can start by saying ya lyublyu tebye ochin silna!
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I'm back guys, sorry for the drop out. Unavoidable. All my email was flushed too, from a new spam effort. Hope you can resend.
MG
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Michael Gage:
At some point I thought that you run into trouble, good to hear you are still kicking. It would be nice if you could post a comprehensive report on Ukraine if you had the time. I know I'm being faceless here but there's not much info on Ukraine out there and we are kind of in a "you are the man" situation here.
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Michael,
Glad to see you back. I was beginning to wonder if all the stories I've heard through the years about the "backroads" of Russia and Ukraine being dangerous had something to it.
I'm in the third week of my Russian class at a community college, and I'm hoping to have enough language to go off the beaten path next summer. My instructor is from Kharkov. I don't know if she has a bias, but when I talked to her about my travel plans in the future, she felt that the Ukraine would be a little safer for independent travelling.
Anyhow, I'm looking forward to more details of your trip in the less travelled areas of Ukraine. Any comments about the language issue while travelling would be helpful. Thanks.
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Planning a trip to get lost in the arms of a ukrainian woman and could use some help with a few major items.
1) What is the best time of year if you want to focus on university girls? I have seen posts that say the best time is the off season for travelors... That is when it is the easiest to Get a REAL Girlfriend... Many awsome cuties that just need a place to hang their hat, some spending money and someone to take them out for some fun...
2) In Which Cities are you most likly to find what I described in #1?
3) What is the weather like? I have heard that the seasons vary widely fron one major city to another... I am very active outdoors and I am not sure I am ready to hybernate all winter no mater how warm the bed is...
-Max
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The number one city in terms of universities is of course Kiev, there are at least 50-60 universities and most of them atre located right in the center. There are almost no girls in Ukraine who don't go to university at all and they hang out there from early September till mid June! The other good cities on this basis are Dniepropetrovsk on the east, Kharkov, Donetsk, Lvov on the west and Odessa on the south though it's a very small city of 200000. During the summer the university girls travel to the Crimea region on the south or to other locations outside the country like Tunisia, Egypt and mostly to Antalya in Turkey!
I find the weather great throughout the year since I've been to Ukraine many many times at all seasons, but if you're not used to cold, it really sucks to walk out between November and March, but I can tell you that compared to Russia and Belarus the climate and the nature are much more attractive and praiseworty!
What's more important is that all cities of Ukraine are much much safer than Russia and all the other countries of Europe. You can walk out at any time of night and go anywhere you like including the metro without any worries 24 hrs a day, which is not the usual case even in places like Paris, Milano, Rome or Barcelona.
Russia is much much more dangerous and even in Moscow with so many policemen hanging around (It's very very rare to see any policemen hanging around in Ukraine!) if you're not a native speaker of speaker of Russian, you can never feel comfortable!!
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Thanks for the quick reply VM!!!
Thanks in advance for all the Useful information you guys have posted here…
I was in the Crimea & Odesa a few years back and agree that it is a great area in the summer...
How is the cross country skiing and snowmobiling in the winter?
I am no shrinking lily about winter sports as long as I do not have to spend hours getting back and forth too them..
I think I could afford a reasonable flat in the city and a small dacha in the country for weekends...
The question is what cities would maximize my social options during the week while maximizing my opportunities for winter fun on the weekends... I would prefer if the rural city for winter fun was connected conveniently by train and car.
I have an enormous amount of home based work I can do anywhere I can get a reasonable internet connection and cellular service. But I do need to get out of the house regularly so I do not go crazy… e.g. internet café’s, dancing, museums….
My flat in London had a straight wireless shot at a wireless internet hotspot at a local internet café… $20/mo all the internet I could eat… Something like that would be great if it exists…
So my total optimal solution would be a totally awesome live-in Personal Assistant that speaks reasonable English, Great glass ia always half full attitude, has a Ukrainian driver’s license (I have an international one as well), loves outdoor as well as indoor fun, has her weekends free to explore the countryside, and a reasonable amount of time during the week to show me the best her city has to offer…
Sorry, that sounded like an Advertisement… But in essence that is exactly what it will end up being… I am just trying to figure out how much of that is a reasonable expectation and it what cities…
P.S. how flexible are the Girls University schedules? Is it like here in the US where they have sporadic classes throughout the week or do they go 8hrs a day 5 days a week?
Thanks,
-Max
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it sounds like you should head to tallinn in estonia:
- awesome summer, sun only goes down for 3 hrs - great beaches too
- v good x country skiing - only 2 hrs away from tallinn
- not too expensive to get an apartment there in the middle of one of the most beautiful old towns in europe
- plenty of socialising to be had (esp wed thru sat nights)
- adsl in apartment - 25US/mo, unlimited d/l no connection probs
- wifi in all cafes - most are free to use (others charge $0.50 for 24hrs access)
- english widely spoken ... plenty of personal assistants around
- some of the hotest women in the world (no shit)
- most willings to have lots of fun.
- not much crime there at all
- for a sneak preview, check out www.rate.ee or http://www.uno.ee/fotoline
- plenty of short term, cheap hired help available as well.
- can't recommend the place highly enough
tiger.
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As I've tried to explain many times before, Ukraine is a unique place on many aspects, much different from even Russia and certainly more western European countries like Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania where people and girls are richer but lack the warm hearts and the easy-going communication!
In addition to all the positive aspects, the most beautiful nature with all the forests, rivers and beaches you can find is right there in Ukraine. Especially the nature is fascinating in the spring and the summer. You can live the nature even right in the middle of the big cities, but you can get much more essence if you take a short drive outside the center in any direction, you come across real stunning beauty. It's a very good idea to travel between cities by taxi. You can easily rent a BMW with the driver for about $100 for a 5 hr drive between Odessa and Kiev for instance if you're good at bargaining. There are no mountains in Ukraine, but you can still ski to some extent at certain places like right outside Kiev.
As for the education system in universities, it's a very very flexible and unique system of a min. of 5 years. Attandence is not obligatory and the class hours are also flexible including Saturdays. You'll not see any girls attending the classes, especially the most beautiful ones. I've met so many university girls in Ukraine, but none of them were going to school except for the exams ajust a few times a year. You can find them not in the universities, but in cafes, bars and discos around the universities!
Once you get in touch with just one hot girl, then you'll automatically get to know many girlfriends of her more than you can even imagine. By the way here friendship between girls is a very important aspect in their lives and it's a very strong relationship that might seem peculiar to many but what I think is a very strong point that makes life even more enjoyable for me out there. I must warn you that all these hot girls are also very clever and cultivated, so you must have a certain level of knowledge about life to get going for a conversation.
You can easily rent an apartment for a max of $ 80-100 per day right in the center of Kiev for instance, in the historical Krishetuk street or a relatively newer place Padole, which is like Pigale in Paris but definitely much more amazing and located just across Kreshetuk, or in a new and popular location like Pitchersk.
But believe me it's not interesting to live in an apartment unless you're not together with at least 4-5 girls! So, in that case I would recommend a hotel. There's just one 5-star hotel in Kiev, namely Premier-Palace, but it's quite expensive and the service is not so good, so I would recommend the 4-star Dnipro Hotel on Kreshetuk street just in the center and the heart of the city. The prices are reaosonable and the service is excellent. I've never come across such service in any other country even in some best hotels in other cities.
Hope to see you out there very soon folks! Don't leave me alone?!
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I was just in Kiev and Resttowns phone did not appear to be working. I was just wondering if anyone knows if it is open. If not, is there a similar place anywhere?
Thanks.
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Great Info VM!!!!
Great advice on the Universities… The key seems to be proximity to the café/club culture that the girls LIVE… Sharp Dress, Sharp Smile, Sharp Apartment and a fun attitude…
Wow the prices for apartments have changed in a few years… My last trip to the area (Crimea) I paid $150/mo for a great two room apartment on a quiet street 1 block from the social center of town… A friend rented a three bedroom apartment because it was the only one available and ended up having his girl move in with two of her best friends… Her friends lived about 30min by bus from the social center and those buses stopped running every evening at 11pm… So they were VERY happy to have a place to crash where they could stay out and have a good time until 1 or 2am…
Any deals like that in the university social center of Kiev?
I may be looking for a 2 month lease where I would be in town for 6 of those weeks… One with a clean shot at a wireless internet café would be the best of all worlds…
Like I said I have a lot of homework to do… Just want to do it in an environment away from all the usual distractions…
-Max
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Vegamars,
Your reports about the Ukraine are quire interesting, thanks for taking the time to post them.
One question, which countries can Ukrainians visit without a visa?
The same as Russians, i.e. Turkey, parts of North Africa, Cyprus...?
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We're just starting folks! Don't hesitate to ask anything you wonder!
Ukrainians have the chance to go to many countries without a visa including Cyprus, Turkey, Tunisia, United Arab Emirates, Egypt, India, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Moldova, Russia, Belarus, Czech Republic, Romania, Slovakia, Poland and Hungary.
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Vegamars:
I might have posted this question elsewhere before. Sorry if I am repeating myself here. Now I prefer seducing regular girls and clothes are a very in the initial phases of the pick-up process, especially with Eastern European girls. The risk here is that if you walk around dressed up in a city like Kharkov or L'vov , you can get robbed easily. I mean I didn't try this, I'm just assuming. In Moscow for example this is not a problem, because there are so many filthy rich people there. So, what is the right think to do in Kiev and in the smaller cities like Kharkov, L'vov etc?
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Actually there are so many rich people more than you can imagine living in Ukraine, especially in Kiev that merely dressing up like a rich person will not be enough to attract the girls' attention. All Ukrainian people try to dress up well and the country itself and especially Kiev is one of the most important fashion centers in Europe. The girls wander around in fancy attractive dresses all the time ( In the spring and the summer, they hardly wear anything at all!! ) and I admit that expensive and good clothes will attract their attention at first sight, but what's most important is to catch the warm conversation in between and to get along in a comfortable manner!
As for the risk of being robbed, come on guys, we're not talking about The States, Paris, Milano, Rome or Moscow, this is Ukraine and that's the difference!!
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Resttown is surely open, it's working all the time, but I would highly recommend River Palace where you don't have to spend any bucks at all if you know how to get right in the point. Places like Club111 and Mandarin are full of energetic teen-agers! They will ask for entrance cards in almost every club, but I'm sure you're gonna find a way to pop in especially with the help of real stunning beauties. A good way to start is to visit casinos like Budapest all around town end open for 24hrs late after midnight.
I can assure you that you'll all feel lucky out there!?!
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Do you know the tel# for Resttown so I can confirm ? What kind of places are 111 and Mandarin ? I prefer Resttown because I can tryout the girls before bringing them back to the hotel. Also, they are all working so there is no cofusion.
Thanks for your help.
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Thanks for all the really great posts everybody…
I am still looking for a great apartment in the university district and translations services in Kiev… One service is offering the apartment, translation and airport pickup for 10 days for $500 including visa application…
Are there news papers where I could post an add for such things???
I have had great success in most other countries with this method…
I also found airfare for $550 RT on Lufthansa…
Still a little concerned about the night life in the off season… I have heard it gets pretty slow when the weather gets nasty…
P.S. Where is rivertown on the map of kiev?
-Max
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Kiev is quite a huge town, watch out that you stay in old town in the center by Kreshetuk, Padole or Pitchersk, where you'll find the greatest street action close to the university areas. I don't advise professional services at all and you certainly don't need a translator at all. You can get along till you find your girlfriends who'll find you the best places to live together and who'll give you the real essence of the language. Night life is never ever affected by the weather. On the contrary, there's even greater action during the autumn and winter cause all the girls are back in town which surely makes the air pretty hot!!
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Hi Guys,
How easy is it to meet decent non-pro girls, students, etc if I only speak English?
Im confident enough to approach girls on street, shops, bars, etc.
Are they open to this kind of 'cold approach'?
Im also looking for a good quality girl, perhaps to bring her back to my country.
Has anyone found anyone that good before?
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This is exactly what I've been trying to tell, Ukraine and especially Kiev is the best place where you'll have the greatest chance of meeting plenty of new young energetic girls even if you're not confident enough!
Almost all the girls speak English and sometimes it's even more fun to communicate just in body language?! After some time you'll be surprised to see the great improvement in your Russian. The girls love to travel so much that it's not a great deal to persuade them to take anywhere, especially if you have the plan to live in hot places!
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Vegamars,
I was not able to find the street names you posted on the attached map of kiev...
Would you be so kind to mark up the map with any points of interest and re-post... I think it would help us all to better use the information you and others have posted here....
P.s. Thanks for all the info...
Hope to be in the area this fall...
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Come on guys! Just relax a little bit! I've never used a map in my life and if you're gonna make plans, arrange everything in advance, walk around with maps at hand and so on, Ukraine and certainly Kiev is not the place for you!! You can head for Paris, Milano, London, Rome or Moscow in this way and limit yourself by the touristic traps!?!
Just feel the adventure inside and choose any young beauty on the street to ask where Kreshetuk, Padole or Pitchersk is. That's a very good point to start at and in my first trial on my first visit I ended up exploring the city with two stunning teen-agers. I admit it's much more fun than trying to read the map!
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Vegamars is right, the first time I went I just made sure I had a place to crash. Sure its nice to have a map. KNow some but have faith or adventure at heart.
Now I have Freinds, and know where I like to go, also where I like to stay. As soon asI get tired of Keiv better to say If I tire if Kiev I will make it down to the coast in summer. Odessa, snd lower. Right now I have alot of Fun in Kiev. Its just fun to explore.
Well to all you headed over to Kiev happy hunting.
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Question fellows:
Are Ukrainian girls known for having a big ass compared with other eastern European countries? A big round ass is my absolute favorite thing and I am searching for the eastern European country that girls are known for having bigger than normal hips and ass. I have been to Poland a few times and was very happy with the fat booty I found there. I also met some Ukrainian girls there in the *****houses, but it was odd, some were very skinny and bony, while others were the exact opposite - much curvier with a big ass. There seemed to be no averaged body ones - just these two types. Anyway, just asking if you gentlemen know the best country in this region for finding big ass. Your expertise is appreciated.
Thanks.
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VegaMars,
I agree hitting a “New City” cold is always an adventure… An adventure I enjoy:)
But I have also found that short stays in “New Cities” can be a frustrating adventure if I do not take the time to do a little homework before I arrive… That is exactly one of the reasons I use and contribute to this board:)
Finding “Young And Willing” tour guides is all part of the adventure… And I have had fantastic luck finding a guide and place to stay on my first day in most cities… Some times one in the same… But again I had a “General Idea” where I wanted to search so I could find those “Young and Willing” guides from the neighborhoods where I wanted to be… They always seem to know someone who has a place for rent for cash :)…
So even just a hint as to which intersections, on my map, describe these areas would help me a great deal…
If Not, no foul… And thanks for all the information you have already provided:) It is a great deal more than most will ever contribute…
P.S. I Never Ever Ever walk around a new city with a map in my hand… And I would not recommend that anybody else do that at 1am either…
-Max
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Allright guys, some more hints to lead your way! The heart of Kiev is of course Kreshetuk street on the left bank of Dnieper river in old town, which takes about 20min. from Borispol Airport by taxi!
Anyone living in Ukraine would know this place and if you're still not sure to find the place, you can ask about the famous Dnipro Hotel just at the end of Kreshetuk Street and in a very large square across the big park with the Stadium of Dinamo Kiev!
Once you get there, you'll find yourself on the fascinating Kreshetuk street of about 2km long with all the big streets across it. The street is closed to traffic at weekends and you'll be surprised by the crowd and of course so many girls hanging around in all kinds of concerts and happenings on the street. Padole is located just across Dnipro Hotel and it takes just 5 min. on foot to reach the main street of Padole which is full of new restaurants,cafes and bars and gives you the feeling of wandering around Hollywood street in L.A. When you go uphill on the backstreets of Padole, you get the glimpse of Monmarte in Paris, but the combination of all these feelings are far beyond any words to describe, you must actually live it and feel it inside!
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Thanks VegaMars,
I was able find a program with a high res steet map of kiev that linked all the pieces together with your descriptions...
Looks like a nice compact area... Cant wait to vist...
The russian web sites had the best info...
Thank god for bable fish!!!!
Just wish I could keep the thing from squirming arround in my ear when I am talking to a total hottie:)
-Max
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Report from Ukraine
Arrived Monday evening 25th August - met by project driver and taken to my temporary apartment. I was left with the key and immediately telephoned Tanya (a girl-friend) who came on over and gave me all that I needed for the evening (I don't propose to share her telephone number she's a friend).
Tanya will never stay long after sex so she left at about 9:00 which was still quite early evening for me since I had flown Eastwards to get here. I walked to club Velvet (Hotel Ukraine) 45 UAH entrance and 15 UAH per beer. (Exchange rate is just over 8 UAH = £1). I was here because last time I was in Kiev I had persuaded a girl called Lada, for the price of a private dance in the club, to come to my apartment for a REALLY private dance. I wanted to see if she was still working here - she wasn't and I couldn't persuade either of the two young lovelies who came to sit with me to meet me outside the club. After about half an hour I left and walked on up to Hotel Dneipre. 3 ladies in the coffee bar all wanting $200 for services in my apartment. They were not young and certainly not raving beauties so I wont bother to go there again.
As I walked back along Kreschatic I saw two ladies in a coffee stall and said hello. I need to say at this point that I am not a young man so I tend to avoid wasting my time on the very young and sometimes stunningly beautiful girls you often see along this street. Of the two ladies one was heavily pregnant (she was seated with her back to me when I first saw her - I may be a little old but I am neither blind nor stupid!!!!!) Her friend (name Alona)was about 35 (I subsequently discovered) with a very large bust but was a little heavy around the hips - but not outrageously so. I discovered that it was her birthday today (it was just after midnight by this time) and so I insisted on inviting both to dinner that evening at Pervak, my favourite Ukrainian restaurant. The pregnant one declined (luckily) and so we agreed to meet outside the restaurant at 8:00. We were both on time and Alona turned up stunningly dressed - we sat in the restaurant and had two cocktails each and shared a main course and then agreed that coffee should be taken in my then apartment which was just across the street. On the way back we stopped to buy Martini (her choice) and milk for coffee - neither of which were opened that evening since I immediately began to give Alona her real birthday present which she was more than happy to receive in several places ( I don't like A so this orifice was not put to the test). Alona was a real enthusiast - in fact I needed to turn on the TV to drown the animal sounds! We agreed to meet again in two days time and she left. (By the way, I have few words of Russian and Alona spoke some English so our communication in the restaurant was quite acceptably fluent).
The next day at lunch time I exchanged eye contact on Kreschatic with another young lady of I guess about 34 - very slender and dark haired. She did not speak a word of English but we managed to agree to meet at 6:30 that evening. We duly met but did nothing on the sex front because she had to get home to her dogs and cats (2 of each for what its worth). So we exchanged phone numbers (which did nothing for her as I was moving apartments the next morning and did not yet know my new number) and agreed to meet two days hence. Regrettably I failed to turn up (for a work related reason) and was unable to call her in advance. I failed to have the courage to call her again (a) because of the language problem which is always more acute over the telephone and (b) because I haven't had a lady-free evening since that time.
I was consoled that evening by Yana who by amazing coincidence is the flat mate of Tanya (my very best Russian girl friend in Marbella) and is in Kiev staying with her sister for almost the same time that I am in Ukraine. So I, Yana, her sister and her sisters' two boys met outside McDonalds where I bought everyone a meal (I'm not a cheapskate - that was what they had come in to the centre of Kiev to do). The Macdonalds was taken to a nearby bar and a couple of brandies later we made a quick call to Tanya in Marbella for permission for Yana to come back to my apartment. The sex was OK (nowhere near as good as with Tanya so I hope I haven't damaged my relationship with her for nothing). Yana has gone to Turkey this week with her sister et al, so can't be contacted but can be found in the Playboy Club in San Pedro de Alcantara (Costa del Sol) most evenings. Her working name is Marina.
Whilst waiting that evening outside Bessarabskaya Rinok for Yana I was spoken to (in Russian) by a quite small but attractive young lady. I am always very polite so I answered her. I thought she was saying 'rabotayet' to me (meaning are you working here? as opposed to are you here on holiday? but she was actually saying 'rabotayu' which means I am working which she quickly confirmed by saying 'ya prostitutka'. (Translation unneccessary!!!) I explained that I was waiting for my girl-friend but we had time to exchanged names, telephone numbers and my address (so that she could come and visit me). Her English is non-existent and her name is Yula. Her asking price was 40 dollars which I suggested should be 200 UAH which is roughly $38 - I'm sure the price could have been reduced further but I start to feel guilty about really heavy bargaining - these girls have to live, and their lives are generally quite complicated with other members of their family to support. When I called the next day (Friday) I was a bit thrown to hear a male voice but he didn't hesitate to hand me over to her. I discovered later that it was her brother. Any way we met and had a super evening - two hours altogether with her giving me a BBBJ with CIM when my tackle failed to live up to expectations. We are due to meet again on Wednesday 3rd September. We did so - unfortunately it seems that she hasn't paid her telephone bill because it isn't answering at present.
On that same Friday afternoon I was walking back to my apartment with some shopping when a rather attractive lady of about 35 stopped me to ask me for directions. I do not look like a Russian/Ukranian!!!! She is a teacher of English - needless to say we exchanged telephone numbers and will meet when I have a free moment (which is obviously also related to recovery time).
Later on that evening I went to River Palace and met another semi-professional (name of Tanya!!!!) with whom I enjoyed a fulfilling 1 1/2 hours although this was not until 2:00 a.m. on Saturday morning for UAH 250 plus the costs of getting into the club and a few drinks which totalled about UAH 180 so this option is not the cheapest.
I have spelt out the above in some detail because I wanted to make it clear that the opportunity in Kiev for meeting and 'bedding' as many attractive ladies as you wish is almost unlimited.
I am in Ukraine for most of September and will only write again if something unusual occurs. (Apart from any other consideration I am denied access on the office LAN to WSG so am going to have to visit a cybercafe to get this report onto the discussion board).
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Fantastic field reports Cundum!!
I'm planning a trip to the Ukraine in January, do you think it is worth venturing outside of Kiev for purely mongering purposes?
Have looked at several companies offering apartments in Kiev. What company did you use? How much did you pay?
How did you find the woman in Night Flight? Where they Pro's? Amateurs? Young? Old? Any English Spoken?
Thanks,
City Angel
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Hi Guys,
is there any newpaper in KIEV with advertising of Girls (Massage, Erotica etc...) like in Moscow ?
Thanx
Secada
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secada,
Check out a mag, it comes out weekly, its free, has listings of clubs, places to eat, escorts, everything you could want. Also tells you what is going on that week.
THat is one of the first things I try to find when I arrive.
I think they have a web address aswell.
www.whatson-kiev.com
I Think that is it.
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If I were you, I'd never use any kind of company to arrange anything in Ukraine as it would obliterate the real adventure and joy of your stay there which distinguishes Ukraine from any other country including Russia,Belarus,Lithuania,Estonia and Latvia.
If you insist on a virtual solution, www.*************.com
www.travelsexguide.tv and www.meta-ukraine.com
will make you quite content! You can find all sorts of info on travel, apartments, nightclubs, escort services and everything you can think of, even for other Eastern European countries.
I'll be on my way to Kiev again very soon folks! Who knows, maybe you'll see me on the way for great fun together?!
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Have booked an apartment in Kiev between the 12th and 19th of November. If any of you guys are in Kiev at this time it would be good to meet for a couple of hours for a drink and to compare notes. My email is cityangelplayer@hotmail.com
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Hi all,
I'm new in this section. I write some reports in the Moscow section and of course in the section of Switzerland.
I'm planing a trip to Kiev and now i have some question, ma by some of you can help me.
Which is a good Girlfrendly Hotel there
Where is the best place (disco or so) to meet a girl (ex in Moscow is it Nightflight and cesterfield)
What about the prieces
thanx!
Swissman
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I have tenative plans to check out the mongering scene in the Ukraine. I have not done any research yet, but will read this forum when I have the time. So, if any of you would like to email me or post a step by step guide for the mongering scene I would greatly appreciate it. I will of course post a complete trip report when I get back.
Bud
mongering1@yahoo.com
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The best hotel in terms of quality, price, service and girlfriendliness is Dnipro Hotel right in the center of town at the end of Kreschetuk Street. Compared to other cities and especially Moscow, where the lowest rate for a 3-star hotel is $80, Kiev is quite cheap anyway. For instance, you can rent a taxi or a private car for the purpose of taxi, drive wherever you like all around town from early morning till late at night ( The driver will be very happy to chat with you all day long and wait for you outside as long as needed when you have to go somewhere! ) and you'll pay a max. of only 200HRV ( about 40 bucks )
The best club to meet new girls ( I'd always prefer streets, cafes and restaurants as it seems much more natural and enjoyable ) is of course River Palace with a restaurant, disco and casino together.
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Anybody familiar with a place called Zair? I saw there website and was curious if anyone knows anything about it. For instance, how far from center of town?
Thanks
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Zair is located in Irpen town by the forest about half an hour by car from the center of Kiev. Though the environment on the way is quite attractive both during the summer and the winter, nothing is very different and attractive out there even after midnight. There's a hotel, restaurant, disco, casino and a strip bar, but it's not so interesting in terms of meeting girls. You can find dozens of similar places much more crowded with beautiful girls in the center of Kiev and around. I would recommend River Palace, Mandarin, Joss and Club 111. One very special and interesting place is Dino's Bar right on Kreschetuk Str across Dnipro Hotel. There you can find a good atmosphere underground with live music and strip show. Most important of all you'll be amazed to see a menu of about 20 pages including all kinds of drugs such as crack, extacy and so on if you're interested in the subject!!
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I have read about River Palace on other reports on the board. I have looked at some general websites, where it says that it’s a casino, restaurant, sports bar, strip bar and disco.
Does the admission charge get you in to all of the parts of the boat? Or are the disco and strip bar extra? How many working girls are there likely to be there on an average night? And is every woman present a working girl or are there some amateurs they’re looking to meet westerners to get them out of the country?
Vegamars you wrote about Mandarin, Joss and Club 111 are these places for exclusively working girls or are they just bars/night clubs where a lot of working girls hang out?
Have been looking at some of the adult personal websites for some pro and ammeter action. Have any of you guys tried these out? Any success?
I'd really appreciate it if some one could help me out with a few of these questions? Although I'm relatively experienced punter, I've never really been anywhere as far off the beaten track as the Ukraine. So I'm trying to get as much concrete info on the scene there as I can.
Will promise some reports of Cundum proportions whilst I’m out there.
City Angel
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You need to pay a small fee to enter River Palace and then you can go wherever you wish. At any time you'll see at least 50-60 working girls by the bar in the disco, but there are also many other girls sitting by the tables and dancing on the floor. Actually it's much more interesting to communicate with the non-working girls that will possibly lead into a long-term relationship without having to spend anything other than a drink and a dinner.
You might find some pros hanging around the most popular places like Club111, Joss and Mandarin, but it's more likely that you'll pop into natural ralationships here as those girls are much more beautiful. Let me warn you about the general misbelief that the Ukrainian girls are so willing to go to another country. Actually most of them, especially those living in Kiev and who have been to other countries in Europe cannot see any reason to go on living in a boring and dull atmosphere, so it's quite difficult to persuade them to take to another country. What they prefer is to have fun and to travel here and there occasinally!
If you wanna have some fun, you might try to have a look at
www.gia.com.ua
The service is quite satisfactory and it's just $60 for 1 hour and $160 for the night!
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Vegamars, went several times to Moda bar and River Palace during my last stay in Kiev. Found there many pretty girls available for 100 USD...I'm planning a new trip early november and would like to give a try to some other places in addition to Moda bar and River Palace. During my last stay I was told that Opium, Club 111, Fusion, Tato bar... are also filled by model type girls ready to make some $$$ Is it also your experience ??? Thanks. Mark.
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Vegamars:
You are obviously an experiened and knowledgeable observer of the scene in the Ukraine. From what you have said, girls are easy to find and beautiful.
Your most recent post says that girls love it at home and find traveling to other places to be boring and dull.
And yet, if you look at the official statistics, the Ukraine is one of the biggest exporters of women into the global sex trade.
Somehow I am having trouble reconciling your statements with the official reality. Help me to understand please.
Just curious.
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Unlike the general belief Russia is the no one country in the world in terms of exporting women to the sex industry in the world. Those going from Ukraine are mainly from the countryside and the smaller cities like the ones in Crimea or like Odessa and Lugansk. It's almost impossible to find a girl from the larger cities and especially Kiev in any other country. Kiev is one of the most important fashion centers in the world and it's not difficult to figure out that you would never come across so many stunning models in any other city!?! This is what makes Kiev so special and interesting for me. You could see them everywhere on the streets, in the cafes and restaurants and mostly in popular clubs like Club111 and Mandarin. I've got many model girlfriends out there and I can tell you from my experiences that it's not so easy to persuade them just with money cause most of them already make good money in their job, especially when they have the chance to travel to other countries in Europe and the world for fashion shows and business. Rather it's much more effective to act in a natural and decent way to serve for the excitement and adventure that these model girls are looking for. Besides your odds of success will be high since you'll see them in large groups of model girls.
Hope to meet you there again by early November folks!
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I haven't seen so many black guys in Kiev, but only occasionally! Ukrainians have quite a mixed culture and you can see all kinds of people there with so many different types of looks. That's why you don't encounter so many blond guys like in Russia. People don't care about how you look and besides even if you were an average westerner with black hair and brown eyes, you might see a girl approaching you with some words in Russian cause she could easily think that you're Ukrainian! In my opinion most girls would be interested in meeting a black guy since it's quite rare and different for them, so this surely gives another motivation for feeling comfortable for wandering as a black guy in Kiev?!!
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i was in kiev in june. i am not black, but i can tell you that the professionals did not care about race. they just cared about the money. however, i can tell you that many of the nonprofessional girls seem to have a good deal of prejudice towards black guys. i met a lady who ran a marriage agency in kiev. she told me that even many of the "good time" girls ask her if a man is black before they meet them. they will reject the invitation if he is black. there are others though i am sure who don't care.
i ended up hooking up with 5 local girls in 11 days in kiev by using the marriage agency. i just set up dates throughout the day and night. two of the girls made me wait until the second night to screw them, but with much persistance on my part they gave in to me. two other girls i hooked up with the first night i met them. i was supposed to be meeting with one girl, but she was with a friend who happened to speak english. "did i mind her coming along as well". i said no and was rewarded by an evening of dancing and clubbing with two beautiful girls only 22 years old. i ended up hooking up with both of them that night. the fifth girl i actually felt bad about hooking up with. she was the sweetest 18 year old. her personality was very sweet and she had just a rock of a body. it took me three whole days to get anywhere with her, but i had success at last. i felt really bad though because she told me that two years before she had been raped, but apart from him i was the only person she had been with. i felt like a jerk, but it was a fun and eventful trip.
the other point i would like to make is i do not speak russian at all. i brought a very good electronic translator which i was able to use to communicate everything i needed to.
i rented a nice apartment walking distance from kruschyatk (or however it is spelled) for $40/night.
i used a escort service (don't remember the names). the going rate seemed to be about $50/hour and $150/night. i was not disappointed once with these girls. no kissing, but they allowed everything else. one girl about 5'6 tight body, c cup asked me for alcohol, chugged a lot down and then screwed me senseless. another really hot blonde 5'3 firm b cups got into it and had multiple orgasms herself. she was not faking it because she came all over me. i was shocked at the quality of the service for the price, especially coming from the usa where it is so difficult to find quality.
hope this helps someone and encourages you all to not just think about visiting kiev, but do it!
you won't regret it.
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Vegamars:
Yes, I agree -- Russia is #1 exporter and Ukraine is #2. On a per capita basis, Ukraine though is #1.
That said, many of the women that I know in Canada who are working in the sex trade are from Kiev rather than the provinces.
I guess that it goes to show that you cannot generalize.
If these ladies here are any indication of what is like in Kiev, I am going much sooner than later. Ukranian women are hot and love sex!!
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Hi all, I have never visited Ukraine before but I am considering a trip before Christmas, The reason being I have some airmiles which expire the end of this year and I want to use them up.
I am a UK resident do I need a Visa to visit? the trip would only be for a long weekend can anybody offer any info Cheers all.
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LukeSkyWanker - Yes, you need a visa... No problem to get it same day if you give the Embassy : 2 pics, return ticket copy, Visa support letter and hotel voucher. 1 week issueing is 50 % cheaper.
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Vegamars:
I read some of your reports and I can't understand how you can talk about Kiev as one of the most important fashion centers in the world and about Ukrainian and Russian women generalising in this way.
I believe it's almost impossible to find a girl from Moscow working abroad along a street. Why? Because she gets more at home! At the contrary, that was much more possible 10 years ago, when in Russia there was much less money.
Moscow is full of SW from Ukraine. Turkey is full of WG from Ukraine. Italy, Switzerland, Germany: plenty of Ukrainians. It's simple: for them is a little bit easier to go to these countries than for Russian girls. It's more or less just a matter of money and return on investments (price of the ticket, easiness of trip, bureaucratical difficulties and so on).
But I'm talking about the lower part of the meet market. I'm talking about girls who earn maybe 30 to 70$ per night, SW or working in some clubs or strip joints.
There are girls (beautiful, lucky and, more than that, smart) who can easily make 5000$ and more per month in Hong Kong, UAE, Tokio, Shanghai. They can be not only Russian, Ukrainian, Czeck, Moldovan, but also Swedish, Dutch, American. In that case, origin is not so important. But you don't meet them in mongerng places...
Please let me have your comment.
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Unlike the general belief and misunderstanding, there's not so much difference in Russian and Ukrainian economy and besides the economy in Ukraine is developing much more rapidly at the moment. The average income in Russia is higher, but especially Moscow is one of the most expensive cities in Europe and it's at least two times more expensive than Kiev for instance just to reflect a vision of comparison.
That's why it's very likely to find more working girls from Russia in other countries than from Moldova and Ukraine and Russian girls can travel just as easily as Ukrainians. I've met so many girls from Moscow and St.Petersburg in many places in Europe including Istanbul and Cyprus!
The standards of the smaller cities in Ukraine and the larger cities are quite different. There are so many famous and worldwide fashion agencies in Kiev,Kharkov,Odessa and Dniepropetrovsk that many models have the chance of traveling in Europe and worldwide and earning at least $300-400 per day in fashion business.
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Rastaman,
Sounds like you like the same scandy type girls as me. I'm considering going to Bulgaria next summer. Apparently many scandy girls flock there (Sunny Beach / Golden Sands) May onwards on vacation.
I hear many of them like guys with darker features (both black guys and guys with southern euro looks :-)
Bring it on!
Doggus
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Anyone in Kiev Nov13-23rd?
I am planning my 1st trip to Kiev and was wondering if anyone will be around during the above time. I would love to get some local pointers.
I hope the girls are still friendly and that it is not too cold during that time.
Thanks!
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To Lose it Here,
Which marriage agency did you use?
All the ones I have looked at look like they require translated letters and that sort of thing.
Are there any agencies in Kiev where you can just turn up and ask them to organise dates for you?
Thanks,
City Angel
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Hi Guys,
How easy is it to pick up nice normal girls (non-pro's) on the street, or in bars/clubs, say compared with London or Chicago?
Im 30 yo. and thinking about coming to Kiev for a week of fun.
Is just being a Westerner enough to get hot girls interested in you, or do you really have to have good 'pick-up' skills and good looks to suceed?
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Dating ‘good time girls’ in Ukraine:
One of you guys made an interesting report on hooking with girls dated from an agency. Are there any local agencies and if so, any help on names, addresses or telephone numbers?. There are plenty of agencies on the web, but they look a bit fishy in asking automatically renewal payments by credit cards. Also, most of the girls are for ‘long time’ sort of stuff.
I am trying to find ‘good time’ ladies from agencies that can be contacted personally when in Kiev. Any help?
Thank you all.
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Let me remind you that the difference between Ukraine and all other countries in Europe, Australia and the States is like paradise and hell. Just feel the adventure before you make up your mind!
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Hi Guys,
I have a plan to stay in Kiev for three days around the end of this month just after a conference in Germany.
I am a Japanese and 40 yo. That means not so energetic looking and small body in every part. I can speal English a little but no Russian nor Ukranian at all.
Anybody, please let me know how I can enjoy or taste Kiev city easily and efficiently. Or better to go to other cities?
Accoding to sobody's advice here, I am hiring a local guide through a German agency. I studied the various dating sites and escourt sites somebody referred here. I contacted some girls through escort sites but I got no replies so far.
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If you are looking for the semi-pro's you should try adult friend finder... They have extensive listings in the areas you have posted for... Never tried them but lokks interesting...
Jackson... I did not think this would be a problem since they are not a BBS such as yours... Let me know if I was wrong to think so... In any case I will not post the web site...
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Why do you guys insist on agencies when it's much more enjoyable,adventurous,easier and cheaper to do it on your own?
Come on guys,you're not in Europe or Moscow,you should feel the difference and live it till the last point without any limits!!
For those who still wanna limit themselves, www.gia.com.ua is the best choice and contacting by e-mail is sufficient!
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City Angel,
I used a few agencies. I just called them when I was in Kiev, visited their offices, looked through the photos and picked out the girls I was interested in meeting. They then called the girl and gave her my description and basic info. If there was interest, they set up the date. You can kinda tell looking through the photos what type of girls they are. Very revealing and sexually provocative clothing and poses are usually a good sign of a "good time" girl.
I am trying to remember the names of the agencies off of the top of my head. I believe two of them were Kiev Connections, and Excellence. I believe the cost per introduction was about $30. Not cheap, but it was worth it!
It was a good experience, but I did have to work the girls to get what I wanted.
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In my opinion the introduction agencies are not worth trying. They are full of overaged women who are below the standards. I mean why would a stunning beauty bother to contact an agency when she has so many options out there??
Anyway you can try to look at www.loveme.com for a vast choice all over Eastern Europe.
www.ukraine-affair.com is another site for girls from Kiev region!
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Was planning checking out the River Palace on my first night in Kiev, now only a couple of weeks away. What time do they let the working girls in?
Have read various reports about the place on the board. For those of you who have been to the place over the last year or so. Whats the chance of getting an all nighter, ie. until mid morning, for $100US?
Have also read that there is a strip bar on the River Palace, whats this place like?
Vegamars, will forget the marriage agencies, your absolutely right, a guy needs some sort of spirit of adventure when visiting a place like the Ukraine.
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Hi Zergut!
I will be in Kiev too from the 14 th till the 23 th of November. I am regularly in Kiev (twice a month or so) and I know how to get around there. So if you are interested, send me a message.
Maybe we could go with a whole group.:-))
Michael
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I went to River Palace a couple of months ago. I don't believe there is a strip bar there. All I saw was disco, casino, and a regular bar. There are no girls at all there until 11:00. None.
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There's no strip bar at River Palace as far as I'm concerned,but the atmosphere of the disco is much better than a strip bar as the girls barely wear anything at all!
The reall action starts after 10p.m. and you can find all sorts of girls here including pros and those who are simply there to meet a foreigner and have fun! It's not very logical to pay the min. rate of $150-200 for an allnighter to a pro when it's possible to persuade much more attractive beauties and to save your pennies even if you're not very outgoing and lack the confidence.
Just try to feel the rythm inside and let your soul follow up the atmosphere! Nothing to lose and a lumpsum to win!!
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Michael1972
Am in Kiev during that period. If you want to get in touch please send me a private message via the WSG Forum's Private Messaging system.
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Vegamars, I must say you sound like an avid fan of the Ukraine in general and Kiev in particular. It is all very tempting indeed and I feel like throwing everything and go there to get some of the fun for myself but, as you know there so many rumours about this country and city.
Please could you also give a list of 'Do and Dont' and some of the tourist traps to avoid
Thanks in advance
Gemini2
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Ukraine is the most comfortable place in the world for tourists in my point of view. There can be no attempt of rip offs at all like in other places if you're intelligent enough. It's not even possible to distinguish tourists from Ukrainians cause Ukraine has a very mixed culture and there's no such thing as a typical characteristic Ukrainian. It's been a very interesting experience for me to meet Ukrainian girls approaching me on the street and speaking in Russian on several occasions while I don't look like Russian at all!!
In short,I'll tell you to do whatever you want without any hesitations!
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Thanks Vegamars,
Also as the winter approach, the weather must be severe ie. Very very cold at that part of the world. Is it advisable to travel there in the winter or shall I postpone it for, let say spring/summer time when street activity is at its pick?
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Hey guys,
Has anyone had any experience with this agency? http://www.gia.com.ua Some good looking and sexy girls, also their prices are cheap (compared to other agencies), something like 70 usd for couple of hours and 160 usd for overnight.
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Ukraine is not such a cold place as everyone is thinking of.For instance,it's still 8-10C in Kiev these days while in Moscow it's about 0-2C and snowing occasionally at the moment ( I have some girlfriends all around Eastern Europe reporting on the phone everyday!)
I've been to Kiev almost every month and for me the cold is not a problem at all since I'm warmhearted. One time I've even driven from Kishinev to Kiev without any problem in mid December.It's amazing to see how easily the cars are driving on the streets even under heavy snow.
Of course, spring and summer is much better while seeing around all the girls wearing barely anything,but at other times you'll survive by using your imagination even if you don't like cold at all.
Anyway I don't care about the weather and will be there again in November and December!!
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Well I am planning mid Jan, trip. Is there anyone going to be in the area. Kinda wanted to see Kiev in the winter months. Seen it in March, and May. Time to see the winter. It seems there are alot more interests in going. Good luck ya'll. I have enjoyed it these last few years. Guess it had to get out sooner then later.
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Michael and CityAngel,
Seems like we will be meeting in Kiev. I'll be in Moscow from Nov 15-17 at my usual apartment then Nov 18-28 in Kiev near the center. Let's meet up!
Zer
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All:
I forgot to include everyone on this. I am going to be in Moscow from Nov 15 through 17 and in Kiev from Nov 17 through 28. If anyone around the above cities during those time, I would love to meet up to exchange stories over a beer or something. It would be nice to match names to faces! Please contact me via a private message using the WSG Forum's Private Message service.
Zer
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VegaMars,
I have tentative arrangements for Kyiv dec 4th – 15th… I was able to book a Euro Class apartment, with airport pickup, for $375… (Pictures on web, show a modern Apt)
- Is this a reasonable price?
- How will the hunting be this time of year?
- I seem to be having trouble making biz appointments.
- Is this a holiday or just a slow biz time?
- Where will be best places to find girl friend and supplemental GFE action?
- What would be a good place to go that first Friday night?
The apartment service I am using is offering a novel language / introduction service for $5/hr.. You select girls to teach you the language that you might also be interested in seeing… Sounds like a better opportunity for awesome GFE???
Ok… Enough questions… I just plan to get my biz done and hang for a few days… If things go well with the new Biz, I may be there 2weeks every 2 months…
P.S. Thanks for all the info you have posted… In my opinion You have are one of the top posters for eastern Europe…
-Max
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If you're gonna pay $30 per day for the apartment,you should watch out if it's really good and located in the center cause the outgoing price for a godd aparment in the center is at least $75 per day!
December is as good as any other time for business and hunting.The only slowdown is the combined vacation of New Year and Christmas on January 7th during the whole first two weeks of January.During this time business is totally off the string and most girls in Kiev are either out of town or out of Ukraine for vacation.
The best place to go out on the first night would be River Palace to feel that difference and essence of being a part of Kiev!
Hope to see you there in December!
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Thanks for the quick reply VegaMars,
The Apartment is very close to the post office... I thought that was the area you had recomended before... Close to the metro and the main drag... I will take your question as advice to re-verify the exact address and pictures and make sure my deposit/contract prevents substitution... I did however verify the address and pictures of the apartment through more than one service... They simply said it was a bit slow right now...
From your earlier posts I thought River Palace might be my first stop :)
Will it still be happening at 11:30pm? I want to drop my stuff before I get there.
-Max
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Max:
For future reference, can you please post the link to your apartment agancy please. Have fun!
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I usualy wait to give advice or recomendations until I have actually acumulated some experiance with a provider...
I have sent the deposit... Within a few days I should know one way or another... I intend to try to book the same apt via another service to verify that it is not available...
The service I am using is about half what I could find on the web...
I even considered making the first nights reservation via the internet service and using my less well established provider for the remaining 10 nights... I have used that method before... At the worst you end up with a higher rate... At it's best you end up with a fantastic rate and a fantastic future provider of services...
-Max
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Guys with experience in Ukraine, I need your input on this:
I plan to make a first time trip to Ukraine for 10 nights. It is obviously not a long time but also not so short to spend in Kiev only. I was thinking spending 6 nights in Kiev, 2 nights in Kharkiv and 2 nights in train traveling to and from Kharkiv. I really wanna see a rural city like Kharkiv, but the current plan seems a bit of a stretch.
Please let me know what you think! Spasibo!
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I've been to Kharkov 7 times since 2000, always stopping in Kiev first for a few days, and before returning home. Kiev is twice as expensive. A decent flat will cost no less than $65 a night, and prices for entertainment have creeped up from $50 for an hour,(2000 to 2002) to $70 now. The problem is the quality, which over 3 years, I definitely have to say has gone down a notch or 2.
You don't need to waste 12 hours on the overnight train anymore, there is a 5 hour express train now. Kharkov is NOT a rural city by any means, its huge.
If you want something rural, maybe go to Kremenchuk. One of my Ukrainian friends keeps suggesting this town as a good hunting spot.
A flat with hot water and satellite TV will run $50 in Kharkov. Entertainment is reasonable though, $30 an hour, but again the problem is quality.
I finally decided to try Odessa last month for a change of pace, and it was good for that.
When I talk about quality, my perspective may be totally different than the average guy. I always end up spending 2 weeks time wading through all the 6's and 7's, and wondering where the hell are the 8's and 9's. There's nothing wrong with the 6's and 7's, and I don't mind "sponsoring" them, there's not much opportunity for them in day jobs. But they have to return my generosity and let me meet their friends. Most of the time they just don't get it though. Invariably, on almost every trip, it always comes down to my last night, and finally, in walks a 9 or even a 10. Why couldn't I have met you 2 weeks ago???? It drives me crazy.
I really think that the Ukrainian girls are getting too spoiled, and I'm more than ready to head deep into Russia proper, Yekat or Novos, or Samara, where they don't have stupid underground shopping malls like in Kiev.
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Any period of time is short for Kiev,no matter how long it is!
Nothing so special about Kharkiv,just an industrial city.Dniepropetrovsk,Donetsk and Lugansk on the east are much more attractive in terms of girls. But if what you're looking for is real Ukrainian cultural life,you should head for Lvov on the west,where people speak pure Ukrainian with a completely different accent! Sounds like a poem,very interesting and can make you quite romantic as well if you manage to quote some words?!
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Vegamars,
I read elsewhere in this board that Kharkiv has many universities and therefore it is a good city to go for fun...
This trip of mine will be cultural and sexual excursion for me. I occasionally enjoy paid sex, but I enjoy more seducing regular girls. This process is much more fun, in the process you get to learn about a new person's life, taste the culture and also enjoy sex. Often times it costs as much as paid sex, in a sense this is also paid sex, but I find it more fulfilling.
So after this long prelude, here is my question. Will it be too cold in January or February to pick up girls outside, I mean in cafes, sidewalks, parks so on? By the way I speak some basic Russian.
And among Dnepetrovsk, Donets, Lugansk and Kharkiv which city provides the best nightlife (normal clubs with regular girls) and organized sex (salons, saunas with girls etc) opportunities?
Spasibo bolshoe!
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I'm always talking in terms of natural sex anyway!
Universities are everywhere,there are about 50-60 of them just in downtown of Kiev.You can also find many universities in Dniepropetrovsk,Lvov and Crimea region,which also has the mildest climate in winter.Dniepropetrovsk is the largest of these cities,so you can find quite a number of bars and discos there,but you wouldn't need organized sex anyway.Watch out though,university girls are mostly busy with exams between mid January and end February and also in June,so you would have more choices other than these periods.Almost all girls seem to enjoy it more if you don't speak Russian at all and they feel different when they're together with a foreigner.I've never spoken Russian anywhere outside or on the street,but rather just in bed!!
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Hedonist,
In Kharkov, the closest to winter I've ever gotten was either November or April, and for a Florida boy, I was freezing. I recall a bit of morning reading in the bathroom, (the warmest room in the flat), and walking through rivers of melting ice, and wet snow falling out of a tree on my bald spot. The ladies were all covered up, parks pretty empty, I always saw some in cafes, but not outdoors. From that aspect, its totally imcomparable to when I normally go, in Sept/Oct, or May/June. Some flats have no heat, hot water can be hit or miss, so it can be a little rough. Make sure to ask for a portable space heater!
I only went once in August, but to Crimea, it was like a candy store! Simferopol and Sevastopol were crawling with honey.
No shortage of university girls in Kharkov, and I agree with VegaMars that they get deep into serious exam studying in January and June, but I foud Odessa to be the place where the cafe lifestyle was prominent, since it is primarily a resort city. Its a bit more expensive, with prices as high or even higher than Kiev. I've also heard that is true in Yalta, since all of Eastern Europe who have the money to spend, go there.
I'm curious if any Senior Members can expound on my theory that over these last years too many Ukraine girls are acting more spoiled, and that to find that really pure GFE in plentitude, its going to require plunging eastward into the nether-regions of Samara, etc? Any thoughts you guys?
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Thanks for your replies guys! I guess I have to reconsider my plans...
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Odessa is way too small for me,I always prefer metropolitans like Kiev.Of course,you cannot save your pennies all the time if you wanna get along with really top quality girls and that's really the essence of life!
If you really wanna see the geniune spoiled girls and what expensive means,you should definitely head for Russia and especially Moscow!I'm sure you will go there again in the shortest possible time if you've got anything left at your hand!??
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Vega,
You might have mistook my point. I definitely am aware that Moscow & St. Pete are the MOST expensive, which is why I have avoided them completely. And also that, hand in hand, the quality and "spoiled" factor will tend to along with the prices. Don't get me wrong, I love Kiev. In my 9 trips, I've almost always found one 9 or 10 there. But I just can't afford to stay there at those prices for 2 whole weeks. Usually a few days on the way in, and then on the way out again.
What I'm trying to say is that even in places like Kharkov and Odessa, which for me don't seem small at all, over 4 years, the overall feeling I get is that the Ukrainian females are getting spoiled and too westernized, ie., less GFE and more strictly business.
I always try to find amateur students as opposed to professional experienced types that many times tend to be young moms, and always plead with "Oo vas yest padruga?" But even with that, lately I'm leaving discouraged.
So from my perspective, I'm just curious to hear from all you Ukraine/Russia mongers if you see what I'm seeing, and if there's less of the "westernized" factor when you get farther back into less traveled places like samara, yekat, novos, volgograd. I'm just theorizing that those places will be more like Ukraine was 4 years ago. Who needs a stupid underground shopping mall? I just see a very noticeable difference over the last 4 years. Anyone else?
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Places like Samara and Yekat in Russia are already full of westerners.I guess you're not aware of Ukrainian countryside yet,it's unbelievably cheap and full of girls yet to be discovered.
I would highly recommend Uman in the west or Lugansk in the east for instance for a new adventure.If you wanna stick close to Kiev and still save your pennies,you might even try Brovary just 50 km from Kiev or Vinnitsa in the south of Kiev!
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You know Vega, I'm really not trying to give you a hard time. It's true that I haven't ventured to dozens of the smaller cities that I am absolutely dying to see. It's only because of time constraints from my work. Believe me, if I hit the lotto tomorrow, I'd spend 4 weeks a year here and the rest of my life over there exploring every place, instead of the opposite like I do now.
I'm not doubting that the Russian cities have many westerners already, but what about the girls?? Do you or anybody out there reading this have a good perspective to compare what's happening lately, are they already changing?? Like I see in Kiev, Kharkov, and Odessa.
Again, my point is that I know its not too likely that I could find many opportuinites for very open amatuer student types that aren't greedy in France, Spain, or Germany. That's why I headed strainght for Kiev, I had no problem before to find this in my first years in Ukraine.
Is this shift to the western attitude sweeping all the way across to the outlying Russian cities?
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The shift actually originated from Moscow and now has spread all over Russia as an unevitable effect of changes and developments in economical situation.Now it's directed towards Ukraine quite naturally and will head for Belarus and Moldova pretty soon.However,as the cultures of these countries and especially of Ukraine are quite different than the Russian culture,the changes are not so sharp and easy to deal with!
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Vegamars,
this smaller cities around Kiev you mentioned or elsewhere in Ukraine will it be possible to find a reasonable hotel to stay and a reasonable hotel to live? When I say reasonable my expecations are not that high. A typical old Soviet style place with hot water and warm rooms will do it.
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It's quite possible to find both reasonable and high-quality hotels in every small city of Ukraine.You can find all the info on www.hotelsukraine.com including Uman and Vinnitsa.
www.travel.kyiv.org is a very interesting site,displaying the detailed maps and photos of every city.But don't surf through this site for too long,you might end up getting on the first plane to Ukraine!?!
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Vegamars,
Thanks for the info. I realized that I rushed a bit to post that question. A google search gives a list of hotels in both cities. But daily rates in the Internet were in the $ 50-70 range, which is way too expensive. I guess the real rates should be much cheaper...
This question will be a rather disrespecful penetration into your privacy, and please simply ignore if you don't wanna answer. Your mongering experience covers not only Ukraine and Russia, but also Turkey, Cyprus etc. What do you do to earn your living? How can you afford so much travelling in terms of time? The reason why I am asking is that I am hoping to work at some point in Eastern Europa. Therefore, it is interesting to hear experiences of people who are already doing this.
Thanks.
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I'm in the export-import business all around Eastern Europe and I travel quite often for business though 99% of the time is for leisure.It's rather interesting and profitable to do business in all these countries if you know how to play the cards.Now,my new interest is for fashion and modelling business and by no doubt the region is a heaven for this purpose.
Hope to be in Kiev again next week,can't wait any longer!
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Not much of action in Uman for preorganized sex,but rather a chance of great time right on the street for natural action!
If you only wanna be involved with pros and semipros,you could try hotel bars and receptions for contact.You can also get in touch with quite a no of semipros in all cities including Uman via www.loveme.com
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OK, FYI, I will be in UE for 18 days (sadly from 24 of Dec to 10 of Jan.... too much festivities....).
I will cover Zaporhozie, Nikolaev, Odessa and/or Izmail and, finally, 8 days in Kiev.
First time I will be there, so any new info are appreciated
More.... if any of you will be there at the same time, I will happily share a beer or a dinner. Let me know.
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Thanks for all the info everyone has offered with regards to Kiev. I have now been in the country for 8 days and feel that it was about time I contributed to the forum.
You MUST buy a mobile phone chip in the country, get your self a Kievstar one, you will pay 99hyr ($17). It makes life much easier, and as every girl you meet will have a cell phone, it is something you are expected to have with you.
There is a really great P4P scene here, there are escorts, girls in clubs, and if your are into it, I believe there is a good street scene.
The Best and most important place to visit is the River Palace. If you ask any taxi driver to take you there, it will not be a problem. Under no circumstances pay more than 20HYR from anywhere in Kiev. Remember in the Ukraine a high school teacher earns 300hyr ($150) per month. So by giving a cab driver 20hyr you are giving him what a teacher earns in a day! This is more than enough. River Palace in my opinion is the best place of its type anywhere. Spoke to a few guys there who had experienced NighFlite in Moscow and they believed river palace was a lot better. I don't see how you can beat it. You will pay depending on how attractive and smart you are between, between $50 and $150 for between 2 hours and all night. In order to obtain the best price A) do not start negotiating before 1:30am B) be nice, be charming, make the girls laugh, these are not hookers in the western sense of the word, a lot of them are just students trying to make ends meet C) Don't negotiate, let the girl bring the subject of money up, and just smile and laugh until you get the price you are happy with D) don't act cheep, buy them drinks give them cigarettes, remember you can have fun in this place just chatting to the girls E) once you have established a price that you believe is the lowest price you can get from the girls, then try and get the extras thrown in i.e. for the night instead of 2 hours, BBBJ, anf DFK.
There are different types of girls at the club, there are the real pro's who will do anything for you like BBS and anal but I don't bother with these girls. I go for the students, who treat you like a boyfriend, but as they have a brain will insist on a condom. I treat these girls really well so that ever time I go to visit the river palace the girls make real fuss of me, so that A) I get a better service, and B) a much better price.
to be continued........
(there is a lot more to come plus pictures!)
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One little hint of reminder,River Palace is the unique place and you cannot compare it to anywhere else,especially places like Night Flight in Moscow where everything is based on pure mechanical monetary foundations.If you're patient enough you can get away without paying at all! Watch out the stunning beauties by the dance floor and you'll notice the slight difference of the girls who're really there for having great fun and actually looking for the company of westerners.The key word for Ukraine is complete relaxation and acting spontaneously all the time and you'll never know what's gonna show up.If you're anxious or willing to make plans beforehand,Ukraine is definitely not the appropriate place for you and you should head for Czech Republic,Hungary,Poland or Russia.I never know what I'll do or even where I'll stay till I'm actually there!I mean maybe it doesn't bother most guys to pay $100-150 in River Palace,but I like challenges and give it a hard try to force it right through the end in the natural way!
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Just asking if River Palace is a bar and restaurant boat on the dock? Was there in 1999 with a date, if it is the same place, and thought the food was expensive.
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Vegamars and other's I am in the process of determining where I am going to take a true mongering adventure. I have set up a fund of about 18K for the adventure. I would like to hear from you and anyone else about what countries or places are best and why. (I hope this was an ok place to post this)
THE RAT
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If you are prepared to spend that sort of money in Kiev, paid sex is not something to bother with. Spend that money on going out with girls, and you will have a different girl in your bed everday for 6 months.
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The ideal place for natural relations is the triangular area between Chisinau,Minsk and Kiev and you don't have to spend anything other than accomodation,transportation(It's quite cheap and you can easily bargain to $100 for a BMW taxi between any of these three cities!!) and meals.It would be a great adventure to visit Tiraspol on the way with its unique beauties,the capital of Prinistrovya located between Moldova and Ukraine.The common characteristic of all these places is not only the no of women that constitute 60% of the population but also the amazing high proportion of the model-type chicks uncomparably higher than any other country in Europe or the world.
Regarding paid sex,the best place in terms of cheapness together with high quality is Lefkose and Girne in Northern Cyprus with all the nighclubs full of very young girls from Belarus,Ukraine,Moldova and Tiraspol for a max. of $100 for the night!
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River Palace is boat on the Dnieper, the river that runs through the centre of the Kyiv. You can get there for 20hyr max from anywhere in Kiev. If you are in the middle of the city, if you pay more than 10hyr you are either drunk or lazy. I barter with the drivers out of principle, plus it also keeps the prices low for other expats and tourists!
The River Palace consists of a pub, which has live music on every night and serves food, a casino, a restaurant and the nightclub. The nightclub is mainly where the girls work, although some do wonder elsewhere. The nightclub is a square room well decorated about 15m by 10m. It has a large bar, where you can buy your drinks from, but also has waitress service at the tables if you prefer.
The girls dance on the dance floor, which is located in the middle of the room, it is surrounded by mirrors, in front of which the girls tend to dance. To pick up a girl you can either start dancing or just wave. I tended to spend most of my evenings by the bar just flirting with as many as the girls as possible. Remember if you are fun and don't act to cheap you can get these girls for the night for practically nothing.
The other main attraction in Kiev is Restown. Avoid this place like the plague! Its a bit out of town, something like a 20 minute taxi ride, which will cost you between 20 and 40 hyr depending on your negotiation skills. When you get there its something like 20hyr admission ($3 or £2).
The building itself is fantastic, it has a casino, a snooker hall, and a strip bar. The drinks are relatively cheap, somthing like 20hyr, and you can watch the girl’s strip down to their panties without having to tip anything. If you interested in some action I think you pay $50 for 60 minutes. The girls look as though they are in the main between 23 and 30, but do keep them selves in shape. My criticism of the place is that it’s just not fun. At other bars and clubs the woman always look happy, at this place they look like they are being forced to work.
So we left after about 30 minutes. Incidentally a couple of the waitresses at this place were stunning, far better than any of the working girls.
The escort services all charge $100 for two hours. I did try calling all the different services listed in Whatson, and the price was the same The only time I used this service the girl turned up after 30 minutes, and was absolutely stunning. (See Irina in pictures section). She ended up staying the night for no extra charge, and wouldn’t let me sleep at all.
I any of you guys have any further questions about Kiev, just send us a message, I may also be able to help with a guide or telephone numbers of some of the better escorts out there.
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Why not??!!??
You've only learned a very small glimpse of what I've experienced so far!
We're just starting guys!!
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I've been to many cities in the world including the States, France,Italy,Hungary,Russia,Greece,Croatia,Czech Republic,Poland,etc and I can tell you the answer is Kiev, Minsk and Tiraspol by no doubt!!!
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VEGAMARS, thanks for the useful insights on Kiev, Minsk and Tiraspol? If you had to pick one which would you pick?
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Minsk and Tiraspol have different types of amazing girls,but I'd choose Kiev as I feel the most comfortable out there in terms of communication.
The best nightclubs in Northern Cyprus are Imparator and Playboy in Lefkose out of about a total of 50-60 and you can find all my detailed analysis on Cyrus/other areas section.
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Hello everyone,
This is my first posting on the Ukraine section. I have just returned from Moscow and had a great time. However, I have read some of your postings in here and seems to me that the Ukraine is a better place for the money and beautiful girls. I would like to request some information from you guys. I am planning to travel for spring break in March since I get a break from college. I would like to spend a whole week. What clubs, hotels, and travel advice can you all recommend? I am also hispanic and was wondering if that might be a problem in the Ukraine . This was not a problem at all in Moscow but I figured it might be in the Ukraine. Anyways, I would appreciate your inputs.
Eddie123
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Hello Everyone!
I met up with CityAngel and Zergut while I was in Kiev again. We really had some fun there. We went to River Palace and to Rest Town. Unfortunately we did not have time to check out Moda Bar, which is lately also considered as the boat of prostitution like River Palace.
River Palace is still the same as always. 90 to 95% of the women are there for paid sex. Like City Angel told, the prices are at least $ 100. But if you know some people and you wait for the right time you can get out of there for much cheaper.:-)) Like CityAngel experienced by himself!!! And that the prices can be very high too, depends on the way you approach the woman. Am I right Zergut?? :-)))))) With the wrong tactic and technique you pay the highest price.
The drinks in River Palace are more expensive then in other bars or discotheques. But it is still considered cheap if you compare the price with western countries.
As CityAngel already told, we also went to Rest Town. The entrance price was normal and the drinks where also very cheap. It is a beautiful place to hang around for a while but unfortunately it is situated at the wrong place. I think if it would be located in the centre, it would be much more profitable. I don’t wish to talk about the girls there. It is nice to se them strip but it is worse to know that the waitresses are more beautiful than the girls who are offering their services to the men. So we indeed left after 30 minutes or so. For who is interested in staying there for a while, the price starts from $ 40 dollars up to.
In the past was ModaBar considered as a bar for models and beautiful ladies to hang around with foreign people. But lately it changed more into a kind River Palace. My latest information is that 70% of the women who go to ModaBar are prostitutes. In River palace is this 90 to 95% and in RestTown is this 100%.
As speaking about myself I will not let myself into paid sex. I am more the type of guy who is interested in a girlfriend thing without paying. Though I still had a lot of fun with Zergut and City Angle. Zergut is more the person who is only interested in the paying scene and CityAngel likes both sites of the medal.:-))))) I rather like to go to place like the 111 Cocktail bar, Chaykovsky, Fusion or Opium where I can speak to the “normal” girl from the street. And afterwards you will have the same fun!! (or even better) Nevertheless I had some marvelous days there and it was really nice to meet up with Zergut and CityAngel.
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There are quite a number of hispanic looking Ukrainians and it's such a mixed culture that you wouldn't feel uncomfortable at all.
I'm going back to Kiev tomorrow and I'll meet two new girls that I met over the internet before visiting my girlfriends!!
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Vegamars,
Which sites do you use to meet Ukrainian girls? There zillions of girls from Moscow at omen.ru or mheart.ru but only a few girls from Kiev or other parts of Ukraine, and they all look for husbands or are hookers. Not my cup of tea...
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OK, just a word of caution (and related to the question below)
I will be in Ukraine in December, and I tried something else other Gia (A very good, professional and well done site, just to be sure.
So, i discovered http://www.flirtandfunkiev.de.vu/ and I send the 20 dollars they ask for the E-mails of about 100 pros and semipros in Kiev. Paid, sent approx 70 E-mails......
Total 30 E-mails no more active, 39 WITHOUT answer, and only one answer from a girl ()girl?!? ... may be also a man....) that told me How have you find my E-mail?!? .... and nothing else.
After ....sigh .... after.... I discovered that neither the SITE E-mail does function..... OK.... here is the advice of this moron..... avoid that site! :-)
Ciao
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Never ever get in the trap of pay sites!Just use your imagination to discover sites like www.loveme.ru
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Sorry to keep you waiting for some time guys,I've been busy in Kiev!
First a piece of info about the situation out there.The weather's quite nice and there's no rain or snow.The dollar rate is still 5.34 exactly like last year and it seems that prices have gone down about 10% in the last 2-3 months,an indication of recovery in economy together with an increase on the average wages.
Another observation is that Ukrainian girls on the younger side are getting taller and taller,you may be tired of looking up all the time if you're not a very tall guy!Something interesting is that if you stand waiting on the street or just walking and you see two or three girls passing by,they will just smile at you and if you smile back surprisingly enough at least one of them will smile back'which always gives you the desire to get in contact.
I arrived to Kiev before calling any of my girlfriends cause I had to meet the two girls I've mentioned before. It was rather interesting since I didn't have the slightest clue of how they looked like,so I just met Ira and her friend in Kreschetuk in the afternoon.Ira was 23 years old with a quite-good looking slim body of about 175m and a nice-looking face.I didn't like her friend and sent her away after 5 minutes.Ira spoke little English and I only speak a few words of Russian,but who cares? We started by drinking champagne in a cafe and then we were on the street waiting for the taxi.She was a little bit cold,so I had to kiss her to heat her up! With the first ignition we could never stop again.We went on kissing and touching in the car and in the Italian restaurant in Padole.This is the area where the most expensive restaurants,cafes and bars like the famous Japanese restaurant Santori.But the bill was just $10 in the Italian restaurant we've been for a good meal and drinks;very expensive indeed!After all my kisses and touches on every part of her body Ira was so excited to go to her apartment that couldn't resist her proposal and the whole night cost me just $15.She was really as hot as her kisses and at about noon the next day I told her that I had some important business and would call her at nigt.Of course,it wouldn't be possible till the next time cause I had to make a surprise to one of my model girlfriends waiting for me and we had a good night together in her apartment.Today I told her I had to leave for Dniepropetrovsk for some important business meeting,but I still have a lot to do here'so now I'm about to meet another girlfriend and we'll meet some of her model friends tonight for some fashion business??!
So,I have to leave now folks cause I'm so busy!!
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Vegamars,
As a longtime ex-pat working and living here and I write this from Kiev, after this last report of yours I thought I might clarify a few things. While your praise of the women here is laudable and mostly on the mark, try to be more realistic about things here.
The weather here is dry, correct. But for the last 2-3 weeks it has been one very long series of dreary days of overcast, no sun and occasional fog. Right now it is +4 but very raw. But that only means more time for indoor games.
The main street is accurately and correctly known as Kreshchatik. Lots of great eye candy in the summer with a good chance to meet on the street. In winter, clubs, bars and restaurants are the places.
I eat out frequently and I know of no place, Ukrainian (generally the cheapest), Italian, French, Japanese or any other, except where you might get food poisoning, that will charge $10 for two. Can you tell us the name of the place, please? I want to try that place. Most decent restaurants here charge an about $25 per PERSON for an average meal without drinks. By the way, the area you were in is correctly known as Podil (Ukrainian) or Podol (Russian).
Just so you other guys understand, ladies here are terrific but like ladies everywhere, they all come with a price. Some are prostitutes, some are girls trying to pay for university via the "amateur" sex route, others are looking for mantainence from a "sugar-daddy" but the great majority are looking for a husband. With the ladies here, do not think that it will be a free ride but it will be one hell of a fun and great ride.
By the way, if you try and learn at least a little Russian, it will help you here to no end.
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Hey UKE boy,
may be that VEGA was a bit tired.... (he also said that he got a girl of 175 METERS of highness....:-) ).
But thanks for the corrections.
And (OK, you have to pay for this..:-) ) could you answer some questions?
I will be in Ukraine for 18 days. Ten days will be dedicated to ... ehm .. serious relations (yes, I call them FTF ...those in which you have to Fight To Fuck...).
But I reserved me the last 8 days for a more ... lazy... work I will be in Kiev from 30 Dec to 10 of Jan. (bad times... I know!).
And, also for this, I would prefer the .... old system there.
(I'm lazy and an old geezeer of 50 yo!)
I saw stunning girls on Gia web site. I am searching preferably for girlfriend experience. Is Gia (despite the 300$ for 24 hours) a good choice? Any other suggestion? (I terribly felt in love with the older one... Dasha!)
Take in mind that I prefer a good day and a good "mouth kissing" to a night of straight sex....(yeah... I'm a bit strange ..:-) )
And what about River Palace?
Ciao and thanks in advance
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I'm still in Kiev guys and I'll meet Ira again in half an hour cause she called me.I didn't sleep for the last 4 days but still I'm not tired.
The weather's still very nice,believe it or not and I'll ask the name of the Italian restaurant for your future reference( It's not a shame not to know all the restaurants where you're living and it's always easier for strangers to figure out new places)
I can understand and speak a bit of Russian,but I never use it and I don't advise you to use it at all.
As an alternative to gia you can use www.uaescort.com or www.kievescort.com for much better quality of $80-100 for 2hrs if you wanna lose that kind of money.
Girls always look for rich husbands everywhere in the world,especially in the western countries despite the general misbelief,but it's always and always possible to find exceptions for fun!!
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Vegamars,
I guess you never got out of the flat today ;-)))) as it has been another overcast day here, all day, and is expected to be this way until Tuesday, a slight break for a day or two, then again overcast. Daytime highs of +1 to +3, nights the same but minus. It is also very moist with 87% humidity so with the wind, it is also raw.
Traditionally, Ukrainians consider December 1 to be the first day of Winter, Spring coming on March 1.
I am surprised that such a frequent visitor as you would not know any of the restaurants, especially one that would have an Italian meal that costs $10 for two as I would be there every day!
As for the languages it really does help. This is especially true when you need to get information from the www.uaescort.com site as well as many others here that are exclusively in Russian. www.uaescort.com is all in Russian and there is no English option. By the way, most of the ads and girls on the site are fakes, from bait and switch agencies putting up phony pictures. About 4 of the girls are real.
Guys,
If you know Russian, an excellent site for Kiev and Ukraine is www.kiev-x.com. The girls seem to be mostly with real photos, which to me is very important, plus they have a forum. That forum is critical since it has field reports on these girls and many others. You can make a lot of mistakes here, and even the local guys sure can screw it up in the bad sense. But if you know Russian at least you can read it to see which girl to see and, more importantly, who to avoid!
If you also know Russian, there is a free weekly advertising broadsheet delivered to every home's mailbox called RIO. In the back it has ads for "nannies." You call up and ask the operator for what you want, within the hour someone shows up to your place with a choice of 4-5 "nannies" in your price range, you choose, pay the driver and then have your fun, be it with one, two or all five. Unfortunately, rarely do you get even two good ones at one time, sometimes none. But the prices are $30-$50 per hour, $100 maximum for the night per girl. But as I said, this is impossible without knowing Russian.
RIC:
End of December to the 10th of January is the New Year and Orthodox Christmas celebrations. Many leave town to go home in other parts of Ukraine and Russia, to the Carpathians to ski, to sanatoria and also out of the country, such as Egypt where it is warm and a visa is automatically issued on arrival. It will be quiet but you will still be able to enjoy yourself in a city of 2.5 million.
Gia is OK, they just changed their web site to a "model agency" type of thing, and all in English with much better photos. It is generally reliable. The girls are not always the ones in the photos but what else is new with all agencies, be they here or in London or anywhere! By the way, Dasha is very good, also plays dom games and if you are into anal is one of the few there who allows it at the agency, for an extra fee. She also is better looking than the pictures. $300 for the day is the rate if you are only an English speaker.
Most of their girls do kiss, do BBBJ/CIM. The old site actually listed what each girl allowed. If you call and ask I think the dispatcher will tell you what they do but don't be disappointed if it turns out otherwise.
You could probably find a girl at River Palace for the day at half that amount, max $200 for a stunner.
Good luck.
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Vegamars,
One more thing.
Girls here are not looking for rich husbands, they are desperately looking for good men who will be good husbands and fathers. That is why they are looking for foreigners. Our incomes and standards of living are much higher and therefore we are thought of as "rich" and we can provide for a better quality of life.
If you see what is happening in Kiev, in Moscow and other places in Eastern Europe, things are changing rapidly, incomes are rising and a new middle class is emerging. But it is a slow process.
For the ladies, many men here are constant drunks, alcoholism is a serious problem, many men have no jobs or very menial jobs and cannot support their families, many beat girlfriends and wives and get away with it, and the worst of it is that the girlfriend or wife has little or no recourse in the courts. For these and many other reasons, a foreigner is still a prize plum to be won, to escape many of these ugly situations, not just the "rich" pocketbook.
This is especially true of the ladies in Nikolaev, Kherson and places in the south. These places are very poor, indeed, and the ladies are no worse in quality than they are in Kiev. But that is why many of the marriage agencies have so many girls from the south, they are desperate to get out of a situation far worse than it is in Kiev.
Yes, you can have loads of fun but don't think the ladies here don't have another agenda.
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All,
I am planning to be in Kiev in later part of December (after 20th). Is anyone planning to be there?
I am fluent in Russian and English.
PM if you are.
Thanx
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Thanks Vega.
And so... you are sure that also an old geezer like me (50 yo) can avoid to book an escort in Kiev?!? I caught a note of disapproval in your suggestion..... :-)
Hmmm I will be really happy (money is money for anyone...) but not too sure about it.....
Thanks Ukeboy
I will treasure your suggestions.
You seem (like me) not too much into anal. But Dasha is really stunning (despite the age). So i will go for her for a couple of day, for sure.
And I have to confirm what you said about the South/West. I have some contacts (before Kiev) in Nikolaev and Zaporhozije. And these are ...ehm ... "not to pay" contacts :-), but also sweet, poor girls that want to escape from the poverty. And... may be that one will do this.... (I am separed....)
...and I will update you in January......
Do pobachennya
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>PUPSNU
may be that when you'll leave... I'll arrive...
I will be in Kiev from 30 Dec to 10th of Jan.
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UK Boy,
Are you saying that a mid 30’s, tall(ish), handsome guy can’t get it for free in Kiev?
Gee’s, I’d better stay in London then, coz here I can.
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I'm so sorry not to be careful about the names of restaurants,I'm just not interested cause I never look for a place or restaurant in Kiev myself! The name of the cheap Italian restaurant in Padole is Diva which was opened this summer as I've figured out.There's also another nice one in the same area called Alexandria with live music and fair prices of about $15-20 per person.I can also suggest you Non-Stop that's open for 24 hrs and can be considered as cheap.
Kiev is always hot for me as I consider anything over -5C as hot,especially when I consider that it was snowing quite heavily last year around November10th.
The situation for girls and women is not characteristic of only Ukraine,it's very common in all countries including the western countries.The reason that Ukrainian girls are interested in foreign men is definitely not because of the lack of rich Ukrainian guys!
There is an incredible number of rich people in large cities and especially Kiev as it's the situation in every country.The real reason is rather the attitude of Ukrainian men against girls in general,they are not really aware of the treasure around.
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Vegemars,
Thanks for the restaurant information. I will head down there at some point and check them out. I am based in the center where there is so much choice and only occasionally get down to Podol.
I enjoy it here when it is -10 or even -20. Not a problem. However, after somewhat more than 2 weeks of endless overcast and fog, it does get to you, no matter if it is "warm" or cold. I would rather have -20 and a week of sunny days right now.
I think we are in agreement that Ukrainian men, rich or poor, are generally not the boyfriend/husband/lover qualities the girls here really want.
What I really want to take issue with is the question of language.
There is nothing wrong with coming here and speaking only English (or German or French etc.). But this is Ukraine where the national language is Ukrainian and the commonly spoken language is Russian. And both use the Cyrillic alphabet. So now when you first get here and you only know English, you have a not so small problem. When you walk out of your hotel or apartment, you don't know where you are or where you are going to or even how to get there unless you have a local guide with you every step of the way. It is very almost non-existent that streets, metro stops or or any public location in Kiev is written in Latin letters! Places such as MacDonald's (yuk) a few stores such as Benetton or Nike, yes, but other than that, Cyrillic.
As for the ladies, yes, many know English to one degree or another. They all know how to say "hundred bucks!" But anywhere you go, River Palace, 111, Mandarin and countless other places, you will be able to meet with and somehow converse with some girls. Not a problem. There might be thousands of such girls and that's fine. The numbers may be just right for you that day.
But if you know the language, even a little bit, you now have not thousands but tens of thousands and maybe more. If you are here for the "wham bam," then English is fine. If you are here to meet one or more on a regular or even semi-regular basis, then learn something of the language.
The bottom line is that even bad attempts at speaking Russian will endear you far more to the girls than most anything else. They will really love you for it and try to help you improve your Russian while you help improve many their other "oral" skills
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RIC,
Good luck here, and by the way, I am about the same age. Compared to locals my age, I look, act and do almost everything at least 10-20 years younger than my actual age which also amazes the ladies here. They think all of us 50s should be ready for the old age home and not doing things 25 year olds here have yet to figure out!
Nikolaev is a woman's town. It has many more women than men but I can't recall the reason for this odd demographic. That is why so many there are trying to get out, are trying to meet men via the net and in other ways. I know the Germans have sex and marriage tours going there all the time.
Let us know how you do.
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For those of you outside of Kiev and are coming to Kiev and hoping for a connection, I suspect the www.kievescort.com site is not operational for the time being and may also be closed.
It is a great site with great girls at great prices but I tried calling all day and both phones were turned off. The "201" number is "not available at this time" and the "067" number, the mobile, is barring all incoming calls. A very bad sign from an escort agency.
Too bad as there were more than a few ladies there of great interest. But I will occasionally check and if it changes, will let you all know.
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Gemini 2
What do you call getting it for free? There is no "free" anywhere.
In London, don't you have to buy drinks, dinner, gifts or whatever? I am in London often. Dinner with a lady at an OK place is at least 50 Pounds. If you meet a girl in a pub, sooner or later you will have to buy her drinks. If you don't, what are your chances?
The same here. You can meet someone, anyone, and think you are "not paying" for it. You are not paying directly for sex as you would with a River Palace pickup but rather for all the attention you must put into the "effort."
If you can bowl them over only with with charm, wit and good looks, then more power to you. Like any place on earth there is always a chance at a pickup that won't cost a kopeck.
Good luck.
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Uke Boy,
Kievescort site is up, but their prices are incredibly high! $100/hour?
Also, can you recommend decent saunas in Kiev (with or without women), and would I need to reserve them in adavance?
As far as language, I virtually have no accent speaking russian. So would women considering me a local be a bad thing for me and reduce my chances?
Thanx a bunch
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I'm starting to love this UKE Boy......:-)
Yes. it is a typical US men thing (no offence....different Country, different defects).
US men think (at least inconsciously) that all is an extension of America. Not speaking English is not understood!
Sadly, we Italian are on the opposite side.... we try to speak any language to please the guest (or the girl) ..... Sigh .... I'm still coping with damned Russian verbs and the ultra-damned 6 forms.....and after 1 month I am not still able to say "wanna fuck with me!" but just devocka moya, ya tak lubliu te bya, and da svidania lubliu moy....... ahem ....all useful .... but a good "fuck!" is much direct.... :-)
Jokes apart, you 'mericans have to be more flexible. Also in Prague, that I know much more than my city, the refuse to talk or learn a couple of words in Czeck kills more chances than a little penis...:-)
Ciao ooopppsss do pobachennya
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RIC,
I am not sure that I really like the thought of your "lovin" me but let's leave that for another forum!
The second language most girls here know is English. But it may not be more than a few words so a little Russian from the guy is useful.
What you can tell a girl here that you want to have sex with her but not sound so crude or vulgar is to say "Ya tebya khochu."
That simply means "I want you" or "I want your body" or any other way you want to translate it but it does mean that you really lust after her and are not holding anything back. But in a "nice" way.
The crude way is to say "Khochesh potrakhatsya" which is just saying "You want to screw."
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A little more on language and then hopefully to drop the subject.
If you know anything about Russian, it has a "bawdy" vocabulary of its own, rather colorful. It started with the criminal element in Soviet days and now has come to be used by many. But it is still not socially acceptable.
Here is a link that will help explain some of the expressions you might hear in Kiev or in Moscow.
http://www.notam02.no/~hcholm/altlang/ht/Russian.html
Just a word to the wise. Unless you know who you are speaking to and/or to the sensitivities of those around you, try and not use this vocabulary. Better to try and understand what is being said than to say it, in this case.
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Guys
I agree. Even living in Switzerland where we have many Ukranian girls dancing in cabarets I have success more often when I speak a little Russian to get out of the place with a girl on my arm who does not expect to be paid for sex!
The last 3 "freebies" I had were with Ukranian girls, and it was because I am sure that I was polite and tried to speak and flatter them in their own language. Also that I did not treat them as a professional sex worker!
Remember the golden rule, all girls have feelings, and if you flatter them by effort and talking you stand a better chance.
I speak 3 languages fluently, and a further 3 in smaller amounts. It has saved me $$$ on many occasions.
However if you are happy paying over the odds for a service (taxi, sex, food, etc etc) then don't bother making the effort, but I find that I get more "satisfaction" from a good deal!
Up to you, and happy hunting y'awl!
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ya lyublyu tebye ochin silna!?!
is all you need here! If you approach a girl just speaking in pure Russian,it's considered very ordinary here.The trick is rather to start in English or any other language and to try to say a few words in Russian in between.It works every time and the girls just love it.
In my opinion those of you living in England or Germany should never come to Ukraine or Kiev (I'm ready for any kind of objection) cause you would be much happier in Russia for instance.
By the way,so far I've only talked about 1% of what I know and what I've experienced about Ukraine.Don't think I don't know about the reality of life here, there's always the story and the face of backstreets as it's everywhere in the world,but what makes it more interesting here is that every way is almost endless and without any limits!??
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This thread is one of the most entertaining and informative in the whole forum right now.
Language:
Although speaking English is thankfully an aphrodisiac to some girls it scares away a lot of them, learning Russian will expose you to many more girls than you would meet not speaking the language. This is true in almost all countries IMHO. By speaking you will also get to know more about the culture and approaching girls will become easier, your success rate will increase and and and. If you are going to spend a lot of time in a country it is also a sign of respect. Vegamars is right that mixing Russian and English is an effective and "cute" method to interact. Approaching a girl in English and then switching to Russian may very well get your foot in the door. Still I am sure that being somewhat fluent in Russian will make your life easier. I can only speak from experience (most of it in Russia, Vegamars (least) favorite country!) that with every ounce of language confidence in Russian that I have gained my success rate has skyrocketed. You get exposed to "normal" girls who are anything but "normal" away from the somewhat parasitic crowd that hangs out at expat places. BTW: of the numerous Ukrainian working girls (wonderful girls!) I've had in Russia not a single one spoke a word of English besides "Eminem" or "Madonna". RIC will be happy to note that curiously enough they also spoke some Italian. "Dolce and Gabbana". "Versace". "Prada".
If you are coming on a short sex tour, then obviously your Russian is going to be limited to a few phrases and that is fine. It would be quite ridiculous to think otherwise.
However I really believe if you are going to spend a lot of time there you would be well advised to learn at least passable Russian, get laid more often for free and if you are paying, you'll likely have a better rapport with your chick.
RIC:
I agree with you in principal that American and English men do have the advantage that their native language is understood by a certain percentage of people in every country (pop culture goes a long way) and does tend to incite a certain degree in laziness in language learning among them (me too at times) but I reject your notion that Americans and English are less adept in learning languages than the Italians. As much as I adore and respect Italy and Italians, the Italians are not exactly known as some of the world's best linguists. :) I think your justified criticism of language learning laziness applies to most every nation.
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Doc,
I agree the more you know the language, the better off you are with the ladies. If you make the effort to make them comfortable and make it easier for them, then lots more will come your way.
I spent an hour with a Russian lady from one of the agencies in London not too long ago. We were to have had an hour's fun in my hotel. When she came in and spied that I had some bottles of Ukrainian wines (I buy them as gifts for clients) we started to talk and I explained that I live and work in Kiev part of the time. We then proceeded to speak in Russian. At the end of the hour, she called the agency, told them she was tired and going home, she shut off the mobile and then proceeded to spend the night with me. It did cost me the wine but it was worth it! I suspect it was the language that helped and that she felt very comfortable and wanted to hear something about "home." It came out that she was from Kharkov and studied in Kiev.
I almost think RIC is correct in one respect but not just about Americans. I have been posted in Moscow and now in Kiev and have made an effort through the years to learn Russian. At least 95% of my colleagues and friends from all countries from the US, the UK, France, Germany etc. barely know 100 Russian words and/or phrases even after they have been in the area for several years. It really is a shame.
The major reason is that they meet up with one girl, (or in many cases, serial girlfriends!) she knows English (or the guy's language) to one degree or another. She is mostly looking and praying at this as a possible ticket out and there is no real incentive for the guy to learn since the main language of communication is his native language. The same holds true in the office, in clubs, bars, restaurants or whatever.
Vegemars,
Using "ya lyublyu tebye ochin silna" is more an indication of love and romance than of lust and sex. The girls love it but if you start saying that too often to the same girl, she will expect that you mean it and that you are serious about only her. Truly a lot like what happens anywhere else, so be very careful in using these phrases.
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I have to agree that this thread is incredibly entertaining.
Especially the little pieces of Russian and Ukrainian that people seem to know. I was born in Kiev, so I am fluent, but have not lived or been there for about 15 years. I can imagine how hard the lanuage is, especially compared to English or Italian (being fluent in English, I know for sure about it).
This will be my first trip to Kiev in above-mentioned 15 years. What do I do about the language? If I speak russian, they will think I am local--don't think it's a plus--if I speak English, there is no way I can make my russian seem like a bad one.
Any suggestions?
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Pupsnu,
You are correct, the Kievescort site is up but the problem is not the prices. That is another story although I would enjoy meeting with a few of their ladies. The real problem is that their phones, local and mobile are shut off. Now and for the last few days, at least, there has been no way to get in contact with them. I just called a minute ago and the same messages came on.
Lots of saunas here with and without the ladies. You can bring in your own, you can ask the sauna if they have a "delivery" service, many of them do, or you can even call one of the "nannie" services in the back of the free advertising paper called RIO and have them come to you. I am not a big fan of saunas, I have gone a few times but it is not my way to enjoy the ladies.
As a start, since you say you know Russian, go to this site that lists most, if not all the saunas in Kiev. http://prosex.com.ua/spravka/sauna.php
I will try and get you a list of some of the more interesting and reliable saunas later. There is no need to reserve unless you have a big party or have special needs or it is a weekend night.
Once you get here, also get one of those complete Kiev Street Atlas books that will help you locate these places. It is in almost all in Ukrainian but does have a good 10 pages of street and building details of the center in English. I recommend this to anyone coming here and trying to get their way around town. Very good and very detailed.
My suggestion is to not try and blend in since that will likely end in failure. No matter how slight the accent, you still have one and you will be asked where you are from. Better to be who you are, tell them if they ask and then you will likely bowl them over. Much more impressive and a better way to connect, it would be the best method of meeting ladies who will instantly want to speak with you about everything, most of all about you and how you learned Russian. Your chances would be immeasurably enhanced. I suspect you may not even get near any sauna!
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To change the subject from language to something a lot more serious. Just so you all understand that this is not a risk-free area. The same is true of Russia. This is not to scare you away, just to make you aware.
The problems today really are mostly amongst drug users and former prisoners (the TB issue) but it is slowly spreading into the general populace.
Ukraine Leader Takes Loan to Fight AIDS
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: December 3, 2003
Filed at 10:22 a.m. ET
KIEV, Ukraine (AP) -- Ukraine's president accepted a $60 million World Bank loan on Wednesday to fight AIDS and tuberculosis in this former Soviet republic.
Ukrainian President Leonid Kuchma's approval came after the bank agreed to provide the funds to prevent and control the two diseases that have spread rapidly since the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Ukraine, is the epicenter of the AIDS epidemic in Eastern Europe, has the highest HIV infection rate in the region. An estimated 500,000 people -- 1 percent of the population -- are infected.
The Health Ministry said this month that more than 60,000 Ukrainians are officially registered as HIV-positive, but the United Nations estimates actual infection rates to be 10 times higher.
Intravenous drug use has helped to fuel the spread of AIDS.
Tuberculosis cases in Ukraine have doubled in recent years to almost 700,000, and the death rate from the disease is mounting, Interfax reported citing health officials.
Ukraine's post-Soviet economic meltdown and the degradation of its state-run health care system have contributed to the spread of both diseases.
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Avoiding to change this in a filological forum....
but... Doctor Skank, I NEVER said that Italians are able to learn foreign languages better! I said that, generally, Italians help theirselves with hands, signs, face movements..... much more than other Nations.
And thanks to you all for the info
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RIC,
I'll drop the subject as well and leave room for the Ukraine experts to use the forum for its intended purpose, but do allow me to agree that Italians are excellent at expressing themselves regardless of language and trying to communicate in any way possible rather than being shy wall flowers and we can all learn one thing from the Italians, they know how to make women feel special and making a woman feel special (even if just for a night) is a fantastic way to awaken her sexually.
All guys on the Ukraine board, thanks for all the good info and keep it coming.
Ciao
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RIC,
Your first trip to Ukraine. You've received some really good advice here, but the following has not been said yet. One old G to another, as it were. Apart from the odd "bon mot" in Russian, they all react incredibly well if you give flowers (works especially well if you hand them over before telling 'em you want their body) :-) :-) More so in Russian-culture countries than in others, I find. I guess this applies especially to your unpaid ambitions (FTF - like it!), but why not all of them? These are usually girls with pretty romantic hearts.
BUT, BUT, BUT. Only an odd number of flowers (1,3,5,7,etc). Even numbers (2,4,6) signify death, for example at funerals. This will hopefully only apply to your physical state towards the end of your 18 days :-) :-)
Don't fall hopelessly in love now. It's "dead" easy.
Tosc
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Hi,
I am new member on this board but I have visited Ukraine and many Eastern European countries, Latin American and Asian countries, can speak some Russian, and had some nice girls to help me around on my trip to Ukraine.
I read through this board but I don't understand a few things:
1: What is a semipro?
2: Is a semipro half the usual fullpro rate? Why do they give special half price offers? Some kind of quiet period promo?:)
3: What is a sponsor girl? Somebody mentioned a site where you can sponsor a sex slave? What is the site?
4: Some of you guys seem to be able to score multiple girls every night even when you just met, i.e. vegamars and cundum, so how do you identify an easy girl?
5: For student amateurs, and shyer girls you just met but friendly with you, where?, when? and how? do you propose sex?
Thanks for any info. I will be going to Ukarine again soon and will try out you guys advice then give a report.
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Hi guys,
I am planning a trip and trying to pick up a few more words and phrases of Russian.
For a first time visitor to Ukraine I assume it is pointless trying to learn any Ukrainian - just stick to Russian? OK i am one of those that knows about 50 words, but all learned before and during just one visit to Russia!
The phrases posted on here recently - are they Russian or Ukrainian? Has anyone got time to post a few useful 'cute' phrases which may help all us desperately trying to get to grips with enough Russian to survive a trip to this fascinating country!
Many, many thanks in advance to anyone who'd got the time.
By the way - would it be worth going to Odessa in March after Kiev, or is there somewhere better to go?
Cheers all,
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Pupsnu,
Since you are a "local" head for this site. It is all in Russian, giving ratings and reviews for the saunas. The most famous is of course the infamous multiplex known as Resttown. But as you will see from the site, there are also lots of others.
http://www.kievsex.com/kievinfo/?id=2
Your having been born in Kiev does change the dynamic. I don't know your present age but your English is such that you likely left as a child likely no more than 8-10 years old. I guess you are also now a US citizen.
I am not sure why you are even asking any of us for advice, to be honest. It all depends on what your reasons are for coming here. My first thought is of course family/nostalgia but your coming to this forum, that is not the sole reason. Is it sex only, is it a relationship, is it Lord know what else? You have the best of all worlds here as a returnee who knows the language and customs (I assume) but also has a non-Ukrainian passport.
If you are young, single, good looking, know both languages I don’t see any problems for you anywhere here.
I am not sure anyone here can help with your real problem which is how the locals will actually look at you and how they will react to you. I am not sure that there are any "locals" as yet on this board. That is something you will only find out when you get here.
Toscana
If you are looking at wooing a lady, you are absolutely correct, flowers, odd numbers, and the more, the better help big time. Do not also forget the box of chocolates as well as some refreshment in the form of local champagne, quite cheap and good or a bottle or two of wine. The champagne and wines should be semi-sweet. Most folks here hate dry wines or brut champagne.
Sir Knight
If you are heading to Lviv and western Ukraine, then by all means learn some Ukrainian. If you are headed for Kiev, Odessa, Kharkov Crimea or any other place, Russian will do just fine. There are plenty of web sites and guide books that will give you the lowdown on the appropriate phrases.
Odessa is OK in March, but better in June and July. Of all the cities in Ukraine to go to in March, though, it is likely the best choice.
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Uke Boy,
Your comments about language are true about most Westerners, most people just don't take the time to learn. If they don't want to, it's their business and I'm sure they'll get by just fine but I am equally sure they are missing out on a lot of cultural aspects and if they are really into sport sex they are missing out on a large chunk of the market.
As far as having a English-speaking Russian or Ukrainian girlfriend, it can be a wonderful thing and I have found Russian girlfriends to be less money-hungry or anxious to leave Russia than most people assume and Vegamars confirms the same is true of Ukrainian girls, nonetheless always conversing in English will actively prevent you from learning the language. It's like a trap but frankly speaking, it is nearly unavoidable.
To each his own, I really enjoy hearing all the guys opinions on what works for them. The forum and the tips and advice given here have definitely helped me a lot.
Toscana is right on about the flowers. Slavic girls adore surprises as well, but I think that is true of all women.
BTW: I'll be in Kiev in February.
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Hey already! C'mon you guys. I mean PLEASE! Da-freaking-vay!
Yes fine, some of the devs love to practice their foreign language training on us genuine foreigners, and yes we all need to fumble our way through the "Oh baby , you're so krasivy and oochin zharka!" lines, for the rest of them that weren't listening in english class. Bla bla!
But really where's the focus here? Where's all your damn sense of urgency? Flowers? Shite, give em the flowers!
Look, maybe I'll get flamed for this, but all I'm saying is, WHERE IS THE SUBJECT MATTER? Isn't it so obvious how badly its missing here? Holiday season's supposed to be about sharing, right?
All right, so that's it! Less talk, more sharing. There's like, I don't know, what, like a million girls, duh?
Little minky Marina wishes you all Happy Mongering Holidays! The girl turned into the tasmanian devil after 6 shots of tequilla. $50, and a banana, she was g.t.g.
Let's see ya try that in Tokyo/Shanghai or London/Paris!
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Theknight,
Below are some phrases, all in Russian. TRUST ME, you do not need Ukrainian. Please note that I am using "ti" which is singular, although a more respectful way to address someone you don't know is "vi" which is plural. So that's up to you to replace.
Here are some:
-ti takaya krasivaya (you are so beautiful)
-U menya duh perehvatilo kogda ya tebya uvidel (I stopped breathing when I saw you)-- I know this is long...but it seems you have few months
-Ti samaya krasivaya zhenschina (you are the most beautiful woman) I could have added "that I have ever seen" but that's way too advanced of Russian
- Mogu li ya tebe kupit drink (can I buy you a drink. Yes, they poisoned the language with whole bunch of english words, so it is drink, just use hard r)
- Davai potantsuem (let's dance)
All right...hopefully that helps. If you need more, PM me
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Doc,
The WSG Moscow Forum is heavily weighted to the paid scene. With all the money coming into that city, it is no surprise that the ladies would also want to take advantage of that as well. The atmosphere is completely do-as-you-want as long as you can pay the price.
If Moscow is New York, then Kiev is more like Kansas City. The paid scene exists but it is not as raucous and overt as it is in Moscow. Part of it is due to more conservative mores. There are working girls here as well, but not as many as in Moscow and harder to find. There are the usual places such as River Palace, Rest Town, and many others mentioned in this forum. There are only a handful of online sites that offer the same services the Moscow sites offer if all you want is a quickie or you are into serial sex with a variety of talents.
However, since Kiev seems to be 3-5 years behind Moscow in most ways, we can only hope for a similar improvement soon in these areas as well. But it seems to me that guys coming here are much less geared to the paid scene (go to Moscow if that is really all that you want) but more to finding possible girlfriend or wife options.
A few days ago, Gemini2 was asking that he as a "mid 30’s, tall(ish), handsome guy can’t get it for free in Kiev" "better stay in London then, coz here I can." I commented that free is a relative term. I am older, normal in height and in looks. I do not go about arrogantly flashing job, money or nationality as that is the surest way to end up either alone at night or simply end up paying for the pleasure.
I went to a company's product launch two days ago with lots of ex-pats and locals, model types and regular ladies. I struck up a few conversations. Then with one lady, not a model type but attractive, late 20s, we started to hit it off very well. We left the party, went to a nice restaurant, continued the talking, I paid for the meal and transport to my place, some more drinks and then all night fun.
Would I consider this a paid scene? No. Was it free? No, it did cost me some money, dinner, about $75, car fare. What I also think helped is that at least part of the time we were able to converse in Russian, that she seemed more at ease.
In clubs, in restaurants, on the street or wherever you meet the ladies here, being polite, and what they consider "gentlemanly" will go a long way. What differentiates the West from here is that there is still a definite separation of the sexes. Women have women's roles in their minds and men have men's roles. Feminists have made no inroads into the locally psychology and are not likely to do so for many centuries, if ever.
But I hope you all understand that no matter the woman here, be she wife or prostitute, the basic man's role here is that of provider. The man must be the support for the woman in all ways. How each woman here defines that is of course something individual. If you want your woman here to be a woman, then also understand that she wants you to be a real man, and make sure you understand how she defines that. Lots of room for miscommunication here. Believe me, I know since I had to learn more than a few hard lessons.
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What makes Kiev attractive over Russia and other countries is not just the chance to feel girlfriend experience,living everything naturally up to the limit leads to perfect performance both at daytime and at night rather than very limited and mechanical performance ( the overview of a great performance can differ a lot and you'll never understand that what you see as perfect can indeed be very regular till you get aware of a much better option!!?! )
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Mangus Man,
Sharing? So share. A stunner. Where is she from? Ukraine, Russia?
You give us the false impression that this was taken recently. The properties show it was actually taken 5/24/2002 at 4:12 PM.
Care to explain the 19 month delay? Tough to wish us all a happy 2004 holiday season during late spring 2002.
I would like to discuss more than language or flowers, which are very important parts of the equation here, but it does help if others actually do honestly share. That means sharing on a very wide variety of topics and issues, from how to find someone for an urgent hour to those involving the hazards of ladies who want long term relationships.
Do you want to explain what your post added to the subject matter except a possibly empty boast about your possible prowess with a lady whose photo is questionable?
If you are so adept and talented, then tell us how to be focused and how to urgently find ladies such as this, tell us the where, the when, the how, all this and more, along with the picture. Try and do as you say and then maybe I can say you have actually contributed.
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I’m not sure if I can add too much to the excellent advice given by Vegamars and Uke Boy, but having been able to get some great tips from the board about Kiev I thought I should try and contribute something too. I suppose my report is really aimed at the novice Kiev traveller. I should start off by saying I thoroughly disagree with Vegamars assertion that English people shouldn’t come to Kiev! You should! The women are just smack you in the mouth stunning and most you meet are friendly and really easy to talk to. Come – you’ll have a wonderful time.
I’ve just come back from 10 days in Kiev. I have to agree with Uke Boy about the weather – maybe Vegamars was staying in a different Kiev! The last day I was there (Tuesday) the temperature dropped a few degrees, but the sun made an appearance and the whole city was transformed. Anyone who is worried about going to Ukraine (or Russia) during winter really shouldn’t – yes the weather is cold, but you know it’ll be cold! Dress warm and you’ll have a blast. I can also vouch that winter weather in London feels far worse than the far colder temperatures in many places in Russia and Ukraine. If you haven’t been before, this will make more sense when you experienced your first sunny –20 day. You’ll be warmed up by all the women trotting around in their fur coats – I was always led to believe that fur was bad and looked better on the animal. After every trip to Eastern Europe I have to revise this – you show me a mink who looks as good in it’s skin as a 6ft Ukrainian blonde!
There’s been lots of interesting views on the best way to communicate. I speak passable beginners Russian, although this means that I can speak far better than I can understand. I’ll be led by the circumstances – sometimes I’ll only communicate in Russian, sometimes just in English, but usually I’ll try a mixture of everything. In my experience the key is the willingness to listen to and communicate with the person you’re talking to and have fun (also be prepared to make an ass of yourself in trying to communicate). Sometimes this means a mixture of a whole load of communication techniques – one of the best 24 hours of this trip was with a girl who spoke hardly any English. We communicated using Russian, her German, my French, a lot of drawings and a lot of charades. Every successfully understood sentence was celebrated! She was a lovely girl and we spent a great day or so together and, depending on your definition, all “free”.
With this said, if you don’t speak Russian…learn some! It isn’t that difficult to pick up a few basic phrases and to learn the alphabet. It will add immensely to your enjoyment and open you up a wider spectrum of people. It will also make even those girls who speak good English that much more responsive to you. I would also recommend something like the pocket Rough Guide Russian/English dictionary. Fits in the back pocket and can be a bit of lifesaver; for some reason the girls also seem to really like looking through it and find it hysterical.
My five basic tips would be:
Get a flat, don’t stay in a hotel. It’s been said many times before, but it’s worth reiterating. I found a really nice one bedroom flat right in the centre for $50 a night.
As Uke Boy says if you don’t speak Russian you need to get some sort of map. You can buy an excellent map with the street names in both Cyrillic and English from the Hotel Dnipro (and I’m sure other hotels) for around 20UAH. It’s got an index ordered by both alphabets so you can look up street names for any club, restaurant etc. I know Vegamars just favours diving in and exploring, but Kiev is not a small city and if you aren’t familiar with the Russian alphabet, a map will make life a lot easier.
Taxis – Yes, no-where should cost more than 20UAH to get to (which is already over-priced), but they’re taxi drivers and, as in any large city, their natural inclination will be to rip off the tourist (sorry if this offends anyone!). When I got back to London I was tired and my taxi driver thought I was from out of town and immediately took a longer route – it’s simply the nature of the beast to do this. In Kiev they will try for 25, 30, 40UAH for a trip. Personally I lay down a marker every few trips to make a point, but do you really want to spend your holiday arguing over $2? Always ask for the cost before you start the journey (just say something like “Skolka?” or “Sto ee mast?”) and stick to the price quoted. Incidentally journeys back from clubs when you’re with some gorgeous women always cost more. They know you just want to get home and won’t argue too much.
Don’t be shy – just being a tourist with cash will not really get you anywhere, even in places like River Palace. Smile and go and introduce yourself to anyone you like and see what, if anything, transpires. It’s amazing how many dates you can get from doing this on the street….and for god’s sake don’t treat all the girls as hookers! You may not get to sleep with every girl you meet when walking round, but if you aim to meet people, go out for a meal, some drinks, a club, good things will often happen (I think I had a success rate of something like 70% for street meetings to getting a phone number or a date). If you go up to someone, get talking and within 2 minutes say “how much for a shag?”, your success rate will be minimal. On the street or in a club, if the girls a pro, she’ll bring up the subject of money quick enough.
Gifts of some sort are always a good idea, however small and simple. My best idea was to bring loads of the new thin ice gum; this went down a storm. I had around 10 girls flocking round me at Freedom wanting to try it! Ultimately this led to one of the bouncers thinking I was selling drugs, but even this worked out well (having convinced him it was breath freshener and that he shouldn’t beat the crap out of me I was his new found best friend for the rest of the night in return for a pack).
Clubs – general tip – no club seems to start getting even faintly busy until midnight/1am.
River Palace – it is what it is! Every girl there is available. Opening bids start as high as $300 – raise a knowing eyebrow and don’t even respond. $200 is the genuinely top level, $150 their preference, $100 what you’ll settle on. There are a wide range of girls, with some absolute stunners. It’s a fun place and, as an introduction to the joys of Ukrainian women, a good place to start. Most of the action is in the disco (where just watching the girls dance is a treat – there are quite a few who clearly love themselves!), but you shouldn’t dismiss the bar downstairs. Quieter and far less crowded and a lot of girls from the disco will come down for a bit, if only to escape someone who’s annoying them. I only met one girl I really liked here, but talking to some other guys everyone else seemed to have a good time and find lots of great girls. The one tip from everyone seemed to be to make sure you negotiate quite clearly what you are paying for – how long she’ll stay, what she will and won’t do etc. They will usually say it’s ‘till morning, but if you leave the club at 4am “morning” can mean 5am or it can mean “when we wake up the next day”. Unsurprisingly, a lot of the girls here are more likely to assume that it means nearer to 5am!
RP is the a good place, but is an easy out . All the best action I found was walking around and at other clubs. I wouldn’t describe myself as a looker (actually, no-one would describe me as such, I’m an ugly bugger!), but through chatting to girls on the street and in other bars I had 3 threesomes and 6 solo encounters in 10 days, and with some gorgeous and great women. If you can, I would avoid the more obvious paid scene and just focus on meeting the locals anywhere but RP. The other clubs I tried were:
Freedom – not simply a good Ukrainian nightclub, but just a great nightclub for any city. Expensive for Kiev, this place is great if you like to dance. A lot of girls will want to go to this place and if you meet someone and ask them where they might want to go for a night, a lot will suggest Freedom. The girls here, and I’m not sure there were any pros, are simply breathtaking – I felt like one of those cartoon characters with eyes bulging out and my tongue rolled out across the floor. Two of the best evenings of pure hedonistic fun of my life.
Moda Bar – I wasn’t taken by this place, but a lot of the girls and tourists I met seemed really keen. Some of the more experienced tourists I met said it was a like a subtle version of River Palace and was a great place to meet different girls. It’s a good looking bar, I just found the atmosphere a bit cold.
Cocktail 111 – I really liked this place as a bar (quite intimate, with a circular rotating bar in the middle). Friendly, quite a few girls to chat to and not that popular with tourists, which is no bad thing!
For other bars and clubs, ask the girls you meet where they would recommend going for a good night (Freedom and Moda are the most popular answers) - pretty obvious but really successful for getting a date.
Summary – I loved Kiev (to stress again - I don’t care what Vegamars says – English people should go!) and can’t wait to go back in the summer. I’ve never been too taken with Moscow, although I love St Petersburg, but I found the whole city an interesting place, far friendlier than Russian cities, the women stunning and the opportunities nearly endless.
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Snowy and all,
20UAH for a taxi is a freaking ripoff. Don't forget that in Kiev when you raise your hand to flag down a cab, anyone will stop. So if you have at least OK Russian to explain where you need to go, you should be able to pay within 10UAH on the right bank, and if you want to go to the left bank, 20 is the max. For me, it's not an issue of money (since in Europe or States it would cost 5-10 times as much), but an issue of paying a fair price.
Apartments: $50/night for a flat is fairly expensive. I understand that compared to any hotel in Europe it's cheap, but again..one of the things you can try is the following site (russian required) http://www.aviso.ua/a/
Also, once you are in Kiev once or twice, you will be familiar with area and can contact those agencies. Although word of warning, you can get ripped off. However, in general, even if you are a foreigner, once they understand that you are familiar with the situation, they will be more reasonable. But then, I think it's the same approach everywhere (the worse ripoff of my entire life was in Munich.)
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Snowy,
That was a great report! Thanks for the positive contribution.
Your recent experience is affirmation of what we have all been saying for the last two weeks or so. If you want a challenge and if you want quality as well as quantity, a little language, a little kindness and a little attention will certainly go a long way.
Believe me, this place is astounding in summer so you should be doing even better!
Just one quick note for those of you who may also want to partake of the paid scene. I just called kievescort.com and the "067" telephone number from their site is now working.
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Snowy,
What do you mean by "best action was walking around River Palace"? Do you mean street hookers?
BTW, where is RP relative to the center?
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Snowy-
Thanks for the excellent report. Can you please give the details of your apartment agency?
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Pupsnu,
I hope Snowy will explain but in re-reading his comment, I take it to mean walking around Kiev on the main streets such as Khreshchatik, not RP. The problem with walking around River Palace is that on one side is the river and the other is the Naberezhnoe Shose, a six lane highway that you should never cross. RP is actually a large vessel that I assume that is permanently moored since it has been in the same spot for many years. It was closed for a time a few years back for renovation but even then, it was never moved.
RP is located right where Naberezhnoe Shose and the Metro Bridge intersect. There is actually a metro stop there, Dnipro, where you can get out and go down 20 meters or so and you are at RP. Of course, the problem is that the metro stops at 1 PM, about the time RP starts kicking into high gear.
Getting to RP from anywhere in the center or even anywhere on the Left Bank is no problem and should take no more than 15 minutes by car.
You are also correct that 20UAH should be the maximum one should pay to go from almost one end of the city to the other. I called "058" which is a taxi service number. It cost me by pre-set tariff, no haggling, 15UAH to go from Obolon Metro Station to near Palac Ukraina Metro Station. The only exception to the 20 UAH rule is 3 AM at River Palace or other places when you have someone with you and you want to get started. I tend to not argue or haggle if the price seems reasonable. If it is a rip-off price, someone who wants 50 or 100 UAH depending on distance, then usually you can get the next car to take you for a "normal" price.
From time to time our company puts up visitors in these private apartments. Because real estate prices here over the last year have skyrocketed, these prices have also gone up. However, I do know that $50/day for a studio or maybe a one bedroom is the present standard. It does mean you get a nicely renovated (non-Soviet) apartment mostly in the center with a few comforts such as a telephone that allows only local calls, cable TV, heat, hot water, towels and perhaps even some regular maid/cleaning services. It is still far superior to a hotel. Most important, you have no one tracking your comings and goings and who you are with.
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Top Shelf report snowy. Kiev have moved up my list of things to do. I would love to learn a bit more about the 3 threesomes. How did they come about?
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Roger Mellie,
The threesomes were completely by chance and not something I set out for. The girls I met when walking around or in bars were often in groups of 2-3, so if you go up and get talking to one, you'll often end up talking to them all. If you invite one of the girls out and she accepts, it's not uncommon for her to bring a friend or two along too - it might be just for a bit of security or for company if you turn out to be a complete bust. It's no bad thing either - what's the downside of walking into a club with 2 or 3 gorgeous women?
In each case, things just happened - we went out for an evening (usually to a club) and then I'd invite them back to the flat for a few drinks or they'd suggest it and things just progressed naturally, surprisingly and thoroughly pleasantly! Again I think it's one of those things that would be far harder if you actively sought it out, but I wasn't complaining.
Hedonist - The agency I went through was http://www.alserent.kiev.ua/. The couple who run it are great - they don't speak much English (although they converse promptly and easily in English by email using a translation site) but they are so enthusiastic and charming and wanted to make sure that I had everything I needed for my stay. They have a friend who speaks excellent English and, if you need anything (non-punter related - I've made that mistake so you guys don't have to make a complete arse of yourself!), you can get in contact with her. One small tip I would reccomend for the new traveller to Russia/Ukraine is to make sure you get someone to write down the flat's address in Russian - it'll make life easier in taxis.
Pupsnu - I should have been clearer, I meant meeting girls whilst just walking around shopping / messing around in Kiev, not street hookers. I wasn't really looking, but I wasn't aware of any street hookers or line-ups in Kiev, although I'm sure there must be some - they're in every other city in the world!
River Palace is only around 5 - 10 minutes or so from central Kiev - I don't think it's a realistic walk there, but it's not too far away.
I fully agree with you about taxis, and I'm not trying to sound like a wealthy snob, but for the sake of a couple of dollars I'm not really too bothered. When the price goes 30UAH+ I'll take a stand on principle, but at 20UAH I can live with it.
Of course you're right that if you do speak Russian then just sticking out your hand and getting a local to give you a trip for 10UAH or less is the best way, but I wouldn't reccomend this for non-Russian speakers. I tried it, on advice from this board I think, on my first Russian trip to SPB and found it quite difficult simply as I struggled to understand people. My conversational Russian has improved, but I still struggle on my first couple of days to understand locals even if I can make myself understood.
I have to admit to being too lazy to use it, but the metro seemed a really good alternative to get round. Very cheap and looked pretty easy to use.
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FYI...
GIA Escort have already had a stroke of Alzheimer.....
They have risen their prices from $300 per day to 350 EUROS per day!!!! (This means, with actual change, that the $300 now are 425!!!! A good shot....)
KievEscort DOESN'T answer the E-mails.... never!
Really strange situation with Escort services in Kiev at present.
I think that I will move more to River Palace.......
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Uke boy,
Well, I don't know if I can fit all the answers to your questions into one post, since there is a word limit that I don't have permission to exceed, but I'll try.
Of course, the primary matter IS the subject matter. What I mean is that yes, its fine to discuss and discuss all the important issues about how to act, where to stay, the weather, in fact, there's usually a thread for that called "General Info", right?
Now I'm no moderator, and perhaps you are, since you could read the date of my photo, which is another subject I'll get to later, and since you or somebody edited out the word "****", and then asked me about it, but... all this endless talk, and literally nothing to ILLUSTRATE what we're talking about gets boring.
What would the Moscow thread be without Ca traveler & his delicious illustrations? I think many would agree that the coolest innovation to WSG is that we can illustrate what we are talking about by posting "real" photos. But when the balance of talk to illustration is 100 to nothing, I got bored and not only said something about it, I did something too. That's not a boast or brag, its just the simple truth.
Now in my own personal sad and stupid case, I actually went to Ukraine 6 times without even bringing a camera. Then when I did, I brought one back through security, and the ass holes x-rayed it and zapped all my pics. The I brought a digital camera, and when I got home, I accidentally erased everything by hitting the format button. As far as last year's date on my photo, well I do recall that Mr. Jackson did not have photo posting available until this year, so how could I have posted that pic last year if I wanted to? I NEVER said anything inferring that I took this photo recently, I simply was SENDING IT with warm holiday wishes to everyone out here, since this is the holiday season, and I want to get the feeling of sharing and giving to spread to others. Its a bit odd to me, that you and so many others don't have anything to share to shake things up a bit, especially since you seem to be there now, while I am dying of boredom over here in the US. I'll answer everything else when I get time, for now its off to the grind. Bye!
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clearly, I need to go to Kiev, get involved in some threesome action and take some gentleman's pictures while I am at it, for posting. Well thats the new years resolution sorted.
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ric,
sorry to hear about your gia experience. after i read your posting, i called them and asked about dasha. however, the difference was that i spoke only in russian. in russian, she costs $170 for the day, ($70 one hour $90 two hours) which they define as 10 hours. i am not sure how long you want her for but this is just another example of locals paying one price and foreigners paying another much higher price. it is a constant problem here.
my advice is when you get here, have someone you trust who speaks russian call gia and make the arrangements locally. you will save a lot of money that way, and not just on the ladies.
kievescort fascinated me since their ladies are outstanding. in the interests of contributing to the forum, i just got back from a two hour session with one of the ladies. super! just super. bbbj, cim, full sex as much as you want, no limit. we were at it fast and furious.
i met with the dispatcher who accompanied the lady to the location and later spoke to me about more of their services. i must say that she is great at customer service. the "201" number on their web site is not working, it has been permanently shut off but the "067" mobile works. call her on that.
she also explained as she pulled out her laptop that she recently had computer connection problems but that she does reply to email. let me know if that is the case. i am curious to see if she did.
again, call her when you get here. that really is the best situation. she does speak very good english so communicating by phone is no problem.
mangus man,
thanks for the promotion but i am no moderator. i have no power to change or edit posts, not even my own after i have sent them. i wish i had all those powers but only if i get to run my own board.
let me give you some information on how i got the picture date. if you save the picture to the hard drive and then open its "properties," it will show you all the nasty little details, the camera make, the speed, the lens, the date, lots of information. all digital files have some sort of "stamp" to mark them in some way. i knew what to look for and was just curious.
i have nothing against pictures. the more the better.
what we were discussing recently about language was not in my mind a matter for the general information section. we were discussing how to best communicate with the ladies here. general information to me is how to get a train or plane ticket, a translator or other such nonsense. we were and still are discussing the best ways to meet, speak with and enjoy the company of the local beauties.
if you are bored, get over here. as you can see, i was not bored this afternoon...
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Confirmed now directly from Gia via E-mail.
They have rised the price of all their girls of about FORTY percent !!!!
So now a 24 hours escort will cost $ 420 !!!!!!!! (350 Euros)
(the previous price was $300)
It seems me a bit high also for other Countries like Czeck Republic......
What do you think about?!? (I'm really shocked.....)
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RIC
I think Gia is just trying it on - unfortunately they're probably right and know they can get away with it.
As long as there are some business men looking on the internet for an escort and don't want to leave their hotel then they can get away with charging these sort of prices. $420 for 24 hours is ridiculous for Kiev, but you can pay that sort of price for a hour in London very easily (£200 for an hour is not uncommon at all). That being the case, and with increased business opportunities in Ukraine, I think this could be the beginning of an ugly trend. I wondered if it was just my approach, but this would also explain why some of the girls in RP were starting prices at $300 - I suppose if you're them it can't hurt to ask. It just makes the more casual scene that much more attractive.
It reminds me to also mention a word of caution about a strip club which, I think, has recently opened in Hotel Dnipro. A colleague of mine was staying at the hotel and was raving about the place, but it sounded awful - trust me, he is the definition of more money than sense! I think he said it was 100UAH entry, something like $50 for 10 minute private dance with no touching and $300 for less than an hour back in your room. I know I haven't been, and he said the girls were stunning, but it sounds one to avoid. If you want to see stunning girls dance, go to Freedom on a Saturday (or even River Palace). I haven't actually been so if someone wants to tell me I'm wrong, I'm happy to be corrected.
In passing, one of the girls from Gia can be found on omen.ru apparently for $30 a hour - no idea if the email address will work or if the prices still stand, but at that price difference it can't hurt to try. Not sure if the attached link from babel fish will work. http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?lp=ru_en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdating.omen.ru%2Fnph-love.ple%3Ff%3Dushow%26amp%3Bf_id%3D320913
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Uke Boy,
I know that for a normal company $20 per night does not make a difference. But $50/night means that apartment near Maidan.
An apartment on Tolstoi street (the one going down from University) overlooking the botanic garden costs less than that.And trust me, it is soooo much better.
Anyways, after seeing all the posts, I have to say I am really excited about going to Kiev after many years. I still don't know what I will do about the whole language thing, since I don't think I will be taken as a foreigner, and well, I think that's a minus.
If anyone wants to meet up in Kiev at the end of December and go clubbing, let me know.
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RIC,
I am not sure why you would want to spend 24 hours with Dasha, or anyone else, without having at least first spent a couple of hours in "road testing the vehicle." In London I do occasional overnights but only after having met the lady first for one or two encounters.
Even if she was $200, 24 hours sight unseen for whatever amount would hurt a lot more. Besides, I suspect that you could easily fulfill whatever desires you want while you are here just by doing what Snowy has described and then asking the lady or ladies in question if they want to extend the "date" with you if you do hit it off. You will be pleasantly surprised by the willingness and it will likely cost you about the same or even less than Gia.
When I called Gia, I first asked about Zhanna, and was told she is not working there any more and will not be back anytime soon. I have seen her photo on a number of these "acquaintance" sites but I do get the feeling that if she is real, she is also a rip off.
Guys, stay away from the strip clubs in the hotels and other high profile locations unless it is to just look and drink alone. They are rip-offs. You are better off heading for Rest Town, (or other such clubs, there are a few) not being hassled there, watching the ladies do their stripping, no pressure and then going off to one of the rooms with anyone of your choice at a reasonable price. The ladies at Rest Town vary in quality, rarely are they 10s like the downtown strip clubs, more like 6-9's. The only guarantee in the downtown strip clubs is that YOU will be screwed.
Pupsnu,
For most of the guys reading these postings, staying at an apartment in the very center is their best security blanket, even at $50 per day, which is at least half the hotel rates. You have a decided advantage with the language and for other reasons. If you have a place for $20 or $30 per night, please let us know how and through whom! It's a great location where you will be, just one step removed from the heart of downtown but still part of the central area.
Don't worry about the language issue. That will sort itself out very quickly.
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I know, Snowy,
In London there is a terrible situation. Just try Birmingham (not too bad, and Edinburgh ( good for BBBJ). But I think that you know these things much better than me.
And yes, I have seen that girl (and a couple more in another site) with less and less prices. But the dates are much before the enter of the girl in Gia environment.
I will go anyway with a try with Dasha (despite the price and her age...31) because she really attracts me. Not for SM, I'm absolutely not into this, but body and face.
I will update you after the 10th of January.
Pupsnu, I will be in Kiev from the 30th of Dec to 10th of Jan.
If you think to be still there, I will be happy to share a beer with you (not girls!, not into threesomes when males are in pair number ....:-) )
Drop me a post, and I will leave you the cell phone number (Kiev Tristar) I will buy in UA the 24 of Dec.
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I can't believe you guys talking so much about Gia and Dasha?
If you're into this why don't you try to visit Lefkose in Northern Cyprus for the marvellous chicks from Ukraine and Moldova for the night rate of 80 bucks!
Don't forget the first rule in Kiev,never ever spend more than two hours with a girl, especially one you've met for the first time.
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Vega and Uke....
I'm a strange kind of man ...:-)
I love to spend a day with the girl, 2 hours put me in a rush "anxiety" that is not so good.
I know, may be a rip off, may be I am too used to Prague escorts (that are fantastic for a day booking, and are also Ukrainians).
It seems a bit a Russian roulette, I know, but aren't we IN Russia?!? :-)
Go figure, I'm not (and never was) a punter in Italy where I live. Just because here the rush, the uncaringness is normal (also at high levels) Fuck and go is not for me, and I prefer to be ripped-off one time more than having a "quick" rushed session.
Anyway, I will update you after the 10th of January. And thanks so much for all the suggestions (also those I will not hear...:-) )
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Vegamars,
I am puzzled by your comment that "marvelous chicks from Ukraine and Moldova in Lefkose" can be found for $80 per night? In looking at your postings for Cyprus, all your prices and comments show that they are about equal to that which the ladies charge here. You even talk about hourly rates of $40, not to mention the "room fees" if you take a lady back to your hotel. Has there been a sudden drop the Cyprus rates?
RIC,
Nothing strange, I understand your reasons for the day rate. If you are set on Dasha, 10 hours for $170 is not too bad. Good luck and let us know how it all turned out.
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Second golden rule for Kiev: Never ever spend more than two hours with a girl you've just met outside no matter how stunning she is, don't forget there's always a better opportunity to be seeked! ( Never mentioned about paid scene anyway!?! )
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The Cyprus rates have always been the same! The rate of $80 per night and the hour rate of $30-40 include the room charge if you decide to stay in a 4-star quality room of the nightclub,but if you decide to take the girl back to your hotel you pay an extra charge of $10 for the room.
In any case the quality is uncomparably higher(using condom is up to you!!) than gia or kievescort for instance for about half price and besides you have the chance of choosing the best girl after watching about 25-30 on the dance floor for a couple of hours(totally different from the scene in resttown)
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Vegamars,
I know this is the Kiev board but I am still confused about the prices in Cyprus but since we are talking about Ukrainian girls, I will leave it here for now. You repeat the overnight rates are the same $80 but here exactly are two of your very recent statements from the Cyprus postings:
10/7/2003:
"It's also worth trying to stay in a place like Acapulco( $40 per night for the best beach in Cyprus) located between Lefkose and Girne and to feel the real joy with a stunning beauty from 2a.m. till 6p.m. for $160-180."
and
10/1/2003:
"The girls are not allowed to go out till 2p.m. so you can wait and go together as I've always preferred or pay for the taxi and wait for the girl in your hotel. You have the choice of paying $80-100 till 9a.m. or $150-200 till 6p.m. You can even make reservation for the next day from 11a.m. till 6p.m. or for the next night. It's also possible to meet one of the girls for 1 hour right in the club during the day or at night till 2p.m. for $40, but I don't advise this choice as it doesn't give the real essence of the action!"
None of your posts in the Cyprus forum had an $80 overnight mentioned. The prices are still great for the amount of time involved but it is still more than $80. The problem still remains that you can get a River Palace girl and even some one from Rest Town for $200 for 24 hours as well.
I don't mean to be difficult but I am thinking of a trip to Cyprus and want to know the prices that can be expected for the ladies there.
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Hey Uke Boy,
Just to address your other comments, I'll tell you that I was only making a joke when I threw in the line about sluts, not that I claim to be funny, but there has been a lack of humor in this thread. And I still don't understand how you read it, since it was edited out and replaced with the word girls. One of the first Ukrainian guys I made friends with proposed that its widely known that at least 50% of all Ukrainian females are prostitutes, i.e. if you handed them $$ they would do you. I couldn't figure out if he was right or just a pig. For me, I certainly don't consider them all sluts, in fact, I only joked that there were a million sluts, that leaves several other millions of nice girls.
Well, anyway, about Marina from the photo, I found her through one of the local gazettas, I never really planned to post her pic, I just got bored with the conversation here and thought it was time to shake things up a bit. I still can't seem to get anyone else to follow my lead. Yes she is a real looker, and it makes little sense to me that I notice that her pic has been viewed 8 less times than the pathetic girl on the Estonian photo gallery, but not much else makes sense in this fucked up world, so who cares. More details about Marina, actually being that hot looking, she was stuck up and cold, no GFE, I give her only a 2 for performance. I know enough now that I should have given her the "weekend party" treatment explained in an old post in the Russian section, and she probably would have come around.
As for me, I certainly profess no talent, anyway, I should just let my pics talk for me. I'll be back as soon as work allows me, probably not until the spring. I hate the cold weather, and I love to see the coats come off and the skirts blowing in the breeze.
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The overnight rate from 2a.m. till 9a.m. is $80 and the the time is fixed all throughout Northern Cyprus.The quality however is much higher than resttown or riverpalace.In short I highly recommend a trip over there.
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Mangus Man,
Sorry I have photos from my trips to Kiev. Just kinda slack on posting them.Well that and scanner gone too and just haven't felt like setting up the new one. Give me a few more days then I will post a couple of the Photos I have.That is if I can figure this out.
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Kind of slack? Gee, that's too bad. Actually Armorer, I was more hoping to see something, even anything, from Seniors like Uke/Vega/RIC, but so far, they only share their ideas. Not that there's anything wrong with that, I'm just hoping for some inspiration, along the lines of the great Moscow pics of CaTraveler.
So here's my friend Zhenya, she's a friend of a friend that hooked me up in Zhytomyr, an hours drive west of Kiev. Before I took her picture, my face was where her hands are. I can only give her about a 7 or 7.5, she was a sweety, yeah I like blondine. She kept me tuned up, waiting for the big prize. A fine and excellent opportunity to provide sponsorship in my personal goal to help the Ukrainian economy.
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Ahem...just for the record....
On the track of Uke and Vega, in these last days before the start... I checked some "non-pros" sites.....and in 5 days I got 3 appointment in Kreshatik from a 25, 27 and 28 girls. (On a total of 14 starting chances)
Don't know if them will be "paid" sessions (think not), but I think for sure that will be SESSIONS.....for what I caught from the words (one at the telephone, also!)
Is really incredible that a man in his 50s (and they have seen the pictures of me!), bald, a bit fat, ugly, with impenitent hemorrhoids..... can catch these stunning beauties in their 25....
If I would try here in Italy a thing like this, I will be killed.... at least I will create a lot of laughs.... Incredible. Seems that I will not have the free time for pros!!!!! (Dasha and a couple of rounds at Palace are fixed anyway....)
But I have just wanted to share this, that may be useful for other newbies..... TRY, no fear .... TRY!!
>Mangus... this will be my first time in Ukraine.... so I have not too much to share now.... at least a couple of condoms... :-)
Wait until 10th of January
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Hey RIC!
What exactly are the "non-pros" sites? Are you talking about dating sites like
Adult Friend Finder? Are your "appointments" just that the girl agreed to a first time meeting for a coffee? I'm not surpised at your success, I think its because you're a foreigner. The Kiev girls probably just don't want the smoking/drinking Ukrainian guys, if they can have something better.
I have a friend in London who prefers the divorced 28 to 35 year-olds that have 1 or 2 children. He likes them to have a lot of experience, hoping that they'll jam a finger up his arse, or vice-versa. You know those Limeys and their buggering! He also thinks that being divorced, they won't waste any of his precious time being coy, so they'll be hot and ready for plenty of action with a foreigner, and that they'll be so grateful for the sausage injections, that they won't ask him for more than buying meals and token gifts of appreciation.
I said before I like the amatuer less experienced college student types, or even the hard up out of work with family problems at home types, who tend to be less greedy, and haven't been hardened yet by madams to develop the "business" attitude that ruins the fun and GFE. In 2001, I fucked a 20 year old girl in Kharkov with the most beautiful angelic face and sparkling eyes. Her smile just floored me! Her tits were saggy with giant nipples from having a baby. I kept thinking I had seen her somewhere before, and then she told me that she had just quit working as a "hot doggie girl" selling weiners from a cart in the main square, because she couldn't even make $3 a day. I gladly gave her all the hot dog she could take!
I think, and maybe the rest of you other mongerers out there will agree, that the difference between the 28 to 35 Ukrainian girls and American women, is the slavic culture doesn't automatically "attitudinize" them, so they're more likely to keep their sweetness, as opposed to American girls who are 100% fucked up by the time they're 23. In the USA, even the escorts are cold hearted bitches by the time they're 20.
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Exactly, Mangus,
Friend finder (not Adult!) and some other "serious" sites.
I have had 6 successes on 15 E-mails (at present...huge grow from last day!) !!!!
They have seen my picture, so they know how ugly I ma, know my age (50) but all they agreed with an initial appointment!
And half of them have given their phone number, praying me to call them when in Kiev..... Praying me?!? .... I would pray them ....!
And moreover (as I said to friend (Hey Tosc!) I sent a super-short E-mail to start the thing at the limit of decency..... like:
I will be in Kiev, would you meet me?" and few else!!!
If I will receive an E-mail like this.... I would never answer for sure.... how rude! .... But .... it functioned!
One is for sure a girl that seeks money, but she is seeking money in a hubby, so may be that also that experience will not be so bad....:-)
Other 5 are between 22 (one!) and 29. To me is a record unbeated also in my thirties....
Anyway, I will get what they give..... may be pushing them a bit with flowers and candies....:-)
Ciao for now
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For those that asked me the addresses of the sites I surfed.... not too much new I think, but here the list.
The last is not a site but an Ukrainian portal. but on it you can find a lot of other sites.
http://friendfinder.com/
http://adultfriendfinder.com/
http://www.ua-dating.com/
http://www.russianbrides.com/
http://meta-ukraine.com/en/
(I do not want to hide you some other things.... the fact (Alzheimer!) is that I don't recall where I picked some other girls..... really! :-)
Do pobachennya
UH... to another guy..... I do NOT speak Russian.... just a hundredth of words.... but enough (I hope) to help me....:-)
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Hi All,
I have been away for a meeting in Vienna, then busy as heck here. I was checking the forum but could not really contribute. I see that Mangus Adolescent had been a very bad boy and his recent posts deleted.
I came back and went to one of Eric's bars here. For those of you who do not know Eric, he is a wonderful entrepreneur here who has a number of bars and clubs that he owns with his wife. They are all different and are amongst the best places to hang out and meet the locals who are mostly not "pay for play." However, you do pay in other ways such as you would on a regular date back home...
Kiev is just one of those amazing places. This is where a guys not unlike RIC and myself (I am close in many of the ways he describes himself) can meet and then spend days and nights of pure sex and lust with a girl of 22! When I was 22 or 23, I never met such ladies who were just this good looking and sexually insatiable.
This latest lady, Marina, is a doll. Another blondie, a secretary, 5'6", it has been just a blur for the last three days. I am now off to meet her for dinner and it will be another night and all day tomorrow.
I am going to need next week away from her and recover, but with a big smile.
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I am planing to give my best friend a little birthday mongering trip to Kiev in March. I have been to Kiev 2 times in the past but strickly business and did not partake in any of the local girls so while I'm experienced in Kiev I am a Newbie in the scene. I want this to be a memorable trip for my friend, who turns 60 and is still going strong.
The two past trips I had a driver/guide available 24 hr who was an interpeter / guide / driver and was an excellent way to learn about the city. I was hoping that I could engage a similar service but with the added area of expertise of mongering. If any fellow mongers can refer me to a source I would be grateful. We plan on spending 3-4 days in Kiev.
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Ok, I have just finished adding 2 photo's to the gallery. One is from my first Visit and first girl in Kiev, the second is from my latest Visit. Oh what I have learned. I am about to return to Kiev in January. I have a few more photo's but no time to hunt them up these were easy to find. I hope you enjoy.
If anyone will be there during Jan and like to talk over a drink let me know.
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Hi guys,
I've been in Kiev 4 days now but no luck with the ladies sofar... (the non-pros that is)
In my opinion it's nearly impossible to approach them in a decent fashion.
I'm 31, quite tall, not bad looking and try to dress smart but except from some glances now and then there seems to be no real interest, and it's hard to invite yourself to a group of dancing girls I think.
My Russian is quite limited, this might have something to do with it. How do you experienced mongerers do it?
I will be in Lviv from tomorrow till friday and am back in Kiev for next weekend 27-28 Dec.
Anyone wanna hookup?
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Parcifal
Your experience with the non-pros sounds just like my first trip to Russia (SPB) a few years ago. It's easy to read these boards and think you just need to step onto the street, look at a girl and some Slavic angel will immedeately join you for a drink, followed by a date at a club in the evening and 12 hours of mind-blowing sex! Doesn't quite work that way; shame!
I wouldn't worry about your lack of Russian - the more you speak, the more people you can speak to, but this aside it shouldn't stop you having a good time.
I think the trick - and you'll read this all over the Kiev and Russian boards - is just to behave as confidently as possibly. I wouldn't dream of acting like I do in Russia/Ukraine anywhere else I've been. You simply can't be shy and wait for the girls to initiate contact. You said you've had no luck yet, just a few glances - those were contacts mate! Turn round and bold and brass go and introduce yourself. Sure you'll get knocked back a few times, but your success rate will be far greater than you would think. The more people you try to talk to "cold", the better you'll get it at it. If it doesn't come naturally though the first few times can be rough, but suck it it in and get in there - the rewards are so, so, so very worth it!!
If you need have some set opening questions in English (this will help determine if they speak English) - have you got a light. you're lost and can they direct you to your hotel, you're new in town and want to know if they could reccomend a good club/restaurant, do they want to dance, do they want a drink - anything to get a conversation going. Then it's down to your own ability to charm, but you've got to stay really positive, confident and keep them engaged and focussed on you.
If the girls you are speaking to are really a non-pros, do remember they may not appreciate being treated like a hooker! Just keep them involved in a conversation, be generous (not horribly lavish, just as you might be with a date back in your own country), be courteous, be interested in her, be complimentary and things will happen.
Pretty obvious stuff but I've found it really works. Good luck!
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John,
This birthday trip for your friend sounds like the best gift you can give him. This is a great place to celebrate in the best possible way.
I suggest you start with Snowy's report from 12/7/03. It is an accurate, detailed and very up to date report on the city and its current best places and the action. Between now and March is a long time so your best bet would be to follow the threads here. New clubs and places are opening all the time so just be a regular reader.
I am not sure about the question of taxi/chauffeur drivers helping you about. It is a very much hit-or-miss since there are no such "regular" services that I know of. I would not encourage possible use of this since you may end up very disappointed. It is not a part of the regular scene here.
Follow the advice in the forum that is your best bet.
Parcifal
I do not want to re-open the language discussion again but it REALLY helps if you know Russian. Believe me, I know, from experience here and in Moscow.
However, Kiev is not Moscow or other places where I have run into many ladies who know at least basic English and try to use it. For some reason, even those who are beyond basic here tend to be very reluctant to use it in social situations.
I do not know but jumping into a group of ladies dancing by themselves sounds like a great way to start a conversation. Try it, what do you have to lose? It may well end up the best time of your life.
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The keyword is hidden in your own words: trying to approach in a ''decent'' way doesn't work in Kiev! That's why you have to invite the group of dancing girls to yourself and change the style of dancing a little bit by making it private.
You can heat up in River Palace and continue in Freedom! It really works and that's how I live Kiev all my life,whether I'm there or not?!?
The details of how you get through are actually not so important. A common misbelief throughout the entire forum as well as this particular one is that merely trying to follow up what others suggest will lead into pure success! However,the enjoyable and fun part is trying to figure out your own way,no matter how wrong it is,as the wronger it is the quicker you'll accomplish.
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2c for Parcifal:
I know how you can feel, after reading all that stuff in the forum and not being able to catch anything in the field.
If you are new to CIS countries probably it will be hard for you to change your attitude and find a path to the heart of these ladies. The way you dress, your average look, your knowledge of russian are not the main issue here. The main issue is who you are inside, your energy, your self confidence, the way you act. If you don't want to pay, of course.
I think Vegamars gave you some good tips. Even if I don't know how he looks like, whether or not he speaks some russian, how much he wastes in dinners or gifts, his general attitude is winning in these countries. This doesn't mean that you can have THE woman you liked, but for sure you can find A woman that suits your needs.
My suggestion is to follow what Vegamars and other people already wrote: be relaxed, try and try again, play your cards.
PS. forget about being succesful with normal girls in Lviv! But if you really want to go there and search for a student, you can visit the disco Picasso (if it's still working...)
Let us know
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Any line going away from the States towards Europe and Kiev has the best schedule and anyone except me needs a visa for Ukraine even for 1 hr.
As Kiev is a very special place,let's do something special to emphasize our vision and perspective of it.
I propose to meet on the most important and fun day of the city,namely the ''Day Of Kiev''(Don't ask me when??)
Like the common episode,'when the going gets tough the tough get going'
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Sexymiky,
A visa is required for anyone excluding citizens/passport holders from most of the former USSR. They can come in visa free.
Don't even think of coming here without one if you are headed for Kiev. In fact, the airline will or should check your passport to see if you have a valid visa at check-in. If you do not have a valid visa, they will not allow you to check-in or even to board. If you happen to get here without a visa, Immigration Control here will not let you in and you will be sent back.
The visa process is fairly simple and straightforward if you have a US passport but I do suggest you make the application as early as possible to avoid any possible holdups or hassles. You should try and do so at least six weeks before you intend to come if you do it by mail or via an agency. If you do it in person, then a month or so beforehand is OK.
There are two direct flights per week on Fridays and Sundays from New York to Kiev on Aerosvit. The planes are Boeings and the flight is comfortable. All other flights are with stopovers and changes of planes in most of the major European cities. I would suggest the best changeover cities for flights from the US would be Amsterdam, Frankfurt or London.
Vegamars,
Kiev Day is always celebrated the last weekend in May.
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Flights
After reading the posts about Kiev and the opportunities available, I checked flight schedules etc. I can suggest Czech airlines has a convenient departure from Copenhagen to Kiev Borispol (KBP) with a brief stopover in Prague. I picked the summer months as reference.
Total flying time 4 hrs. for USD 353 roundtrip. Found this offer on travelocity.
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Flights to Kiev.
I used to go on Uzbekistan Airways, which in the past, (2000/2001), was the ONLY airline with direct flights from the US to Ukraine. They had about 4 flights a week, some from JFK, and some from Alabama, yes Alabama, because of the Agricultural university exchange program between Tashkent and Huntsville.
After the economic slump here, thses flights were cutback, and during winter, I think they are cut even further because of low demand. So I don't know if you can still get there this way. There is a ticket office in Manhatten that operates as Ukriane International Airways or Air Ukraine thats books seats on Uzbek Airways, they only take American express, NO VISA or Mastercard credit cards.
The Uzbekistan planes, Boeings, are old and creaky, some of the seat cushions are missing, but the flights were fine, they serve beer to kids as young as 14, and there were a few hot girls too. This flight stops in Kiev to refuel, then continues for another 6 or 7 hours to Tashkent. The price was cheap too!
Now there are other airlines with direct flights, but I think only from JFK to Kiev. I HATE JFK airport, the inter-terminal bus sucks!
If you can get a direct flight from where ever you live to any major European hub city, Paris/London/Amsterdam/Frankfurt/Zurich, they all have short non-stop service to Kiev, on Ukraine International and others like KLM/Air France/Lufthansa. Schipol airport in Amsterdam is really nice for changing planes.
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Sexymiky,
I just took a look at the www.aerosvit.ua/eng site. Unlike Uzbek Cattle Airlines who I think no longer do any pickups in Kiev, Aerosvit is trying hard to be a modern carrier and in most cases is doing a great job.
Flights leave JFK at 6:30 PM and arrive Kiev at 11:15 AM the next day. Flight time is about 9-10 hours.
Return flights leave Kiev at 12:00 and get to JFK at 3:30 PM, a long 10-11 hours en route but it is non-stop.
The best part is that the fare now is $449 plus about $75 taxes for about $525 total. I am sure you can't do much better than that. And they fly new Boeing 767s and service is very good. Payment is accepted in all forms of cards.
If you can't do JFK, I agree with Mangus, Schipol is the best place for a transfer. Efficient, well-laid out and easy to maneuver from one gate and to another. It also has the best shopping and some great coffee bars if your layover is more than an hour or so. Forget about Paris. Paris DeGaulle is the absolute pits, stay away. Of the majors, Frankfurt and Heathrow are the best, of the smaller, Zurich or best yet, Vienna.
But if price is your major factor, Aerosvit is your best bet, for that as well as convenience.
Spend your money on the ladies here and not on airplanes.
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Thank you Brothers for all the help, I appreciate your valuable time that you guys spent to help your fellow brothers.
I'm trying to find some girls on ICQ before ariving to make my stay enjoyable. I'm noticining most Ukranian woman either dont speak English or dont have computer access. I met a woman on ICQ from Russia and I did travel to spent time with her. I traveled with her within Russia. I hope Russia and Ukraine remove the Visa requirements for the European Union members :)
I see that soon the day will come that we all will be able to get in the country without any Visa requirements.
They need the EURO AND DOLLARS NO?
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OK, fellow punters, a brief report from my 2nd stop (Nikolayev).
Uhmmmm , what I have to say?..... Good score in Zaporhizhia, 2 nights and 2 days with the company of the girl I contacted.
She is really nice, and sex ..... OK and assured. :-)
A little tour in the Hotel Night club (recommended! Is the Intourist Hotel) let me found for 80 bucks the last unforgettable night. Sure she was a pro (at least semi pro) but one of my best fuck of the life. Absolutely without problems in sex..... she sucked me all what she can.... 'ole dickie, fingers, feet fingers, ears, ass (hemorrhoids included :-) )..... Boshe moi! Absolutely stunning!
Hey... do you know that a BigMac Menu costs less than 18 Hrivnas ($3,50)? (I personally hate McDonalds, but seems that here is like a super restaurant.....
Nikolayev..... OK.... first night was my turn to be fucked.... had an appointment with a very nice girl .... and there was only mama at home.... (OK it can happen....) Being the mama NOT-fuckable....
:-) I returned in the center in tears (the cold weather...) and with my balls touching my knees....
Ten (TEN!!!) minutes of walking, and I stopped in front of a store, near two nice girls (30 and 28 Y.O.).
Ten words in Russian, 100 in English.... and GO for a nice evening, a good dinner..... and a good threesome (despite that's not my best choice). After I knew that they are a lesbian couple, but they also like some ...uh... willing guys. Total paid 150 Hrivnas for the dinner and drinks!!!!! (ah... forget, 20 hrivnas to the hotel security, that told me one is OK, two not!!!!! :-) )
OK I stop here, I will update you when I will be in Kiev (from tomorrow).
But I would say to newbies Hey Parcifal!... that is REALLY easy to meet willing girls here! You have ONLY to catch a sight! Then answer the sight and ....go with talk! For an old geezer like me is more difficult, but I think that a good results percentage of 30% of *WINNING*.... is a good one!!!
And thanks again to UkeBoy and Vega..... without you ..... less chances!!! :-).
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A few points to clarify and reinforce: I've never met an Ukrainian girl who doesn't speak English or at least tries to communicate in English,so never ever spoil their chance to be inspired by you by speaking Russian as it would make you very ordinary! Just save your few words for the sake of laughter and warming up the air.
The time Ukraine will remove visa requirements for the western world will never come unfortunately, as the visas for Ukrainian citizens for those countries are on auction??
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Vegamars,
I've met lots of Ukrainian girls who don't speak English, but let's not start that again.
Maybe you can help me on something else...been to Yalta? Worth going to? Not interested in "working girls" per se, but is there a university there or students? I want to attend a Russian language course for a week in some out of the way place and found something in Yalta.
If you can give any honest insight on Yalta (please don't make it sound better than it is, if it sucks compared to other places, tell me!), I'd appreciate it, thanks!
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the only university i've found in krim is in simferopol. lots of girls there, my dental school blond asya and her sister go there. i think there is more though, like some big technical schools in sevastopol, and maybe a pedagogical university also. no, thats not for ****s, you pervos! its for teachers, and they are hot!! usually 15 or 20 girls to 1 or 2 guys in those classes. sorry, never heard of anything but hotels in yalta. all the girls i know go to alushta, which is cheaper, about 30 minutes down the coast road.
asya. pic is grainy, i forgot to switch camera to night-shot, sorry. 21 years old, about 5'1", incredibly sweet girl.
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Doc,
I agree with you about Ukrainian girls. Most don't know more than 10 words of English and what words they do know are useless. I really do wonder what other Ukraine Vegamars must be visiting because it does not relate to my reality and I am here full time.
The big question about Yalta and language course is when do you want to go? I have been there but I would not suggest winter as the time to visit. Yalta by itself is fine but the real treat is the surrounding countryside which is truly spectacular and worth visiting.
Right now, with the cold and the early darkness the area is almost a ghost town but is dirt cheap in terms of accommodations and anything else you may care to try, if you can find it.
During the summer months it is overrun with Muscovites making it almost unbearable.
The best time to go is either in May/early June or in September/early October. Most of the summer tourists have not yet arrived or have gone, the rates for hotels and other needs are slightly lower, and weather should be great. There is a lot to see and do in Crimea so a week at school would be fine but not if you are in class all day.
What is available for entertainment is plentiful at that time of the year, depends on what your interests are, from the ladies to the beaches to the mountains, wineries, czarist palaces, and much more. The choices are there.
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Uke Boy and MM,
Thanks for the info. I'm planning on going to Yalta in late May and attending a school with half day language classes, allowing me to practice on the local population at night. There are a couple of schools in the internet. Any info on apartments anybody may have out there is appreciated. Sorry I posted in the Kiev section, "other areas" would have been more appropriate.
Take it easy all, wish you a Happy New Year and happy hunting!
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Yalta is just a place of touristic trap for those who are not capable of enough knowledge of Ukraine.Hotel rates for instance can be incredible during busy periods.Crimea region is really full of very interesting historical small cities with universities,but a more attractive place would be Donetsk or Lugansk on the eastern border.
Knowledge and skill of language as well as other capabilities are closely related with high quality.
The face of other Ukraine is centered around real life,but it's not worth trying to mention what it is all about unless you feel the light and perspective.
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Sexymilk,
I checked on travelocity and found flights from Miami to Kiev for just under $600. it stops in Germany if you take Luthansa, KLM also has the same flight and price. don't put a date in and the site will give you the best prices and you choose dates which exclude travel on Fri Sat Sun & Monday, so if you schedule is flexible it works. Depends on where your flying from.
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I need to let you all know about one of the great places in Kiev, Rest Town.
Word has it that this "club," once the best place in terms of both price and quality for meeting local ladies at all hours of the day and night has now radically changed and not for the better, unfortunately.
It seems that Rest Town has now come under the control of new management. Many of the girls are either very unhappy or have been fired. There also seem to be more visits and inspections from the police and other officials, also a very bad sign. There are some observations that police are stopping cars and taxis leaving Rest Town and "inspecting" passengers for "documents" and "fining" them. Very unpleasant.
There has also been reconstruction done that has taken out the rooms you could take the girls to that had been part of Rest Town's attractions.
I was told this by some friends who recently had been there and had been unpleasantly surprised. I do not know if any of you have been there recently as well but perhaps you could add some information on this very important issue. If indeed Rest Town has gone bad, that would be a great loss.
I would suggest staying away until more information becomes available.
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This is very bad news. I was in Rest Town this past May when I was in Kiev. I was hopeing that would have been my first stop after I arrived Tuesday afternoon. Has anyone else news of this.
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I've been lurking around for a while, thinking about making a trip to the Ukraine, and I would like to ask a few questions.
Originally, I had considered visting last Fall, but was prevented by work, so I figured my trip would be delayed until sometime in the upcoming Spring/Summer months. As luck would have it, I find myself laid off w/ severence, and with plenty of time to visit.
1st question, Visas: I had heard somewhere, mabe here, that a visit from a U.S. or EU citizen of 8 days or less did not require a visa. Can anyone confirm this, or if I want to stay, say 9 -14 days, how long can I expect a visa to take, provided I'm close enough to deliver the application, and accept the approved visa personally.
2nd question, timing: I realize that Febuary isn't the ideal time to visit, and I'm sure that if I did, I might miss out on many things the country can offer due to weather. Under my circumstances, I can accept this, but my real question, for those of you who know is, will I, because of the season/weather, be missing out on the attractions that this board was created to discuss?
3rd question, language: I've read the posts regarding language, but I would be travelling alone. Once I make the decision to go, I will study Russian, but as an american I have almost no exposure to other languages, and am therefore a poor linguist, so my short study time couldn't be to helpful, especially since pronunciation takes longer to learn (for me). I will respectfully make attempts at Russian, but given that my visit will not be the tourist season, would this make my visit less welcome?
Lastly, I want to thank the board for all the useful information provided. If I make this trip, I will share my experience here. If I don't, I will share my experience when (not if) I make it.
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The changes in rest town are certainly a tragic turn of events. Can anyone recommend a good alternative brothel or salon in Kiev? I will be there at the end of January.
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Also can anyone advise as to whether the Dnipro Hotel is hooker friendly i.e can I bring girls back to the room at night with no hassles?
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Revollaro
Regarding the language issue, I really wouldn't worry about it too much.
Whichever country you visit in the world, things will be easier the more you can converse in that country's language. I would actually argue though that the two hardest places to go in the world without any knowledge of the local tongue are actually America and the UK. In a huge number of other countries you will find that even with a minimal tourist infrastructure you will meet enough people who speak English to make your trip reasonably easy even if you don't speak much or any of the local tongue. This is part of the problem though and why so many people in the USA/UK don't really bother learning another language.
Kiev isn't particularly well set up for tourists yet, but you'll find more than enough people who speak sufficient English, especially many of the girls you might be interested in meeting (it seemed to me that far more girls knew some English than the men). As I recall, at places like River Palace (where nearly all the ladies will speak some English) and Moda Bar (not as many, but quite a large % of the ladies speak English) you won't have any problems. These places aside, at several of the other bars I went to I met at least a few girls who spoke varying degrees of English. As far as meeting girls whilst just wandering around, it's pot luck - some will, some won't; just be persistent and keep trying your luck.
This said, the more Russian you can pick up the more options you'll have and the easier your trip will be. With limited time, I would personally focus on the basics rather than diving straight into chat up lines - even if you can learn just enough to be confident to go into any bar/restaurant to order drinks/food and to confidently ask where you want to go in a taxi and negotiate a price, this will make life a lot simpler and open up the number of places you'll feel confident visiting. With limited time I would also really reccomend becoming familiar with the alphabet, so you can read street signs.
Go with an adventurous attitude, a phrase book, a confident outlook and you'll have a riot.
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Revollaro
1st question, Visas: As I stated in an earlier message, if you come in for one hour or one year, you MUST have a visa. Get visa or the money spent will be lost completely lost since you will be turned back at the airport.
Go to http://www.ukremb.com/consular/visas.html which is the Ukrainian Embassy in the USA visa site. Spend some time there, the application is in PDF format and good luck. Don't let anyone on this board tell you otherwise than what is listed on that site.
2nd question, Timing: February, March and April are lousy. May through September are the best times. The ladies come out from under their fur coats and hats, and hit the ground running, so to speak. They then are out of doors displaying all their glory, some more so than others.
3rd question, Language: A few words and sincere attempts is better than none. That said, even without a few words, the ladies have no insincerity to them. Come any time you want, winter or summer. The ladies don't change, what they wear and how much they publicly show does. Otherwise, it is all the same.
Good luck.
Blake7,
Head for River Palace. You have the amateurs, semi-pros and pros all there. Otherwise, any bar or disco.
You can also try any of the strip clubs away from the hotels. They also have "private room" services but you can also take the girls away to your hotel or apartment from there as well. Rest Town is not the sole resource.
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Well with any luck, I should be in Kiev on Tuesday. I am not sure I will attempt Rest Town. I few things I had lined up have recently fell through. Such is life.
Is anyone currently in town. I will be there till the 23. Would be interested in a drink and a little hunting.
I hope to have as much fun as in the past.
Revollaro,
Please let me say when I first went to Kiev I had no language skills. I was still nice and polite, and had almost any I could want.
My skills have improved some but not the best. I still have fun though.
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OK.... my trip end report.
Back from 18 days in Ukraine, 10 in Kiev)
See my previous post for NIkolaiev and Zaporhozjie.
Kiev...... what to say?!?
Seems more a Western city than others, and have the defects of the Western (OK... just some)
I hit the top with the girls here:
10 total:
3 NON pros
3 SEMI pros
4 absolutely pros.
First the bad notes:
---Dasha (GiA escorts) .... sadly... a partial rip off. She do not speak a word of English (and this is never a problem to me) but mainly REFUSE to do any effort to understand and to be understood. Stunning girl, despite the age (32), sex a bit "cold". But mainly .....LAZY! she refused to come with me to the restaurant ( so I prepared an Italian dinner at home!). Summing up.... don't worth the expense.
- Svetlana, a semipro found at River Palace (in her 30s, a son of 11 yo). She speak a good English, nice body (slim one) but..... but..... she speak TOO MUCH!!!! During sex, she stops you many times to talk about the fuc...ing weather, music.... and so on!
If she did sex like she talked.... It will be a great choice. Sadly.... NOT!
- a non pro find on dating agencies, that tried only to pick all what she can from my wallet (I mean dinners and night clubs) but gave me only an hour of deep (anyway very good) french kissing. When I started to undress her.... she stopped my hands...... OK
Good ones
---Marina and Alesya from www.Kievescort.com (PRO)
Alesya is the kind of "Barbie girl". Really young (18, may be at least 20) and is really hot and good at ... work.
Marina is another kind (more romantic), but worth absolutely a try. Her BBBJ is one of the best I have tried in my life.
TO lazy people (Like I thought I was...) I recommend this agency. Serious and efficient, and really nice and good girls
-A couple of girls found on What's on Kiev. Good sex, good attitude, nice bodies (do not remember the names ....) (PRO)
---Irina (NON Pro) a nice (may be a bit overweighted to me, but I love the Auschwitz type.... :-) ) 23 yo blonde. Good English, good sex, relaxing.
---Ruslana (NON Pro) a nice 23 yo redhaired, good english, nice body, great sex. Just a sad note. She is the first UA girl that do NOT wash herself before sex. (It is not so a problem, I don't mean that she's dirty, but, guys, oral sex may be sometimes a bit "slowed down" from this thing.
--- Sveta, a semi-pro found in River Palace. 25 yo, nice body, great sex.
--Tatiana another semipro found in RP. 22 yo, exceptional body, less partecipative, but good sex anyway.
In total, a good week there.
Just some words of caution:
River Palace: very good environment. But if you become an addicted (I went there also after a date) you will discover also some more things.
Note for the lazy people: if you want to pick a pro or semi pro without "work", just sit in the two tables near the Night club bar.
In few time you will have 4 or 5 girls near you, asking to light a cigarette, or something else. Also for lazy guys: go there EARLY (I mean in the 11) and you will have the better choice.
To recognize a semipro or a pro at the first sight... is easy. They are the ONLY people not accompanied by the hostess at the table. They normally stay in the proximity of the bar, or in the first row of seats.
An hilarious note: I dated a girl (dating site) and have had a nice night together. But two days before, in River Palace, I was trying with a girl there, I turn my face and .... wham! here there! Not to mention the fact that I lost the new one.... :-) but I have had hard time also with the old.
So, guys, don't think that Kiev is a big city.... You can meet a girl many times and in different ways in these places!
Another (seems stupid.... NOT!) thing: NEVER forget the names of the girls! And possibly.... be greedy in sharing your phone number.....
I have had bad times with one that called me (while I was with another!) and she, feeling me a bit ... uh... embarrassed... asked me "What's my name?" 2 or 3 times. In that moment I have had completely forgot the names, and Boshe moi... I sweat a lot for some minutes...:-)
Last thing: have ALWAYS comdoms with you. Seems that some girls are sure that you'll come in Kiev with a bag full of them, so they come with you in the apartment and THEN ask you "Have you a condom?" T.G. I had.... otherwise don't know what to do.....
But they were really good days there. I highly recommend you to visit Kiev.
Ciao for now
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For all those who are looking to maybe learn some russian before you travel to this country, I would suggest trying your local university.
I wouldn't recommend taking a russian class unless you audit it because typically the instructor will demand more. However, the russian instructor at our local community college was more than willing to have me hook up with her brother in Kharkov for anything I wanted to know when I went.
If you are serious, try the local university and have them put a note on the bulletin board saying you are in need of a russian instructor/tutor. Chances are your local university/community college will have foreign exchange students and they will be looking to make some extra money. Not for sex though that may come up later but for teaching you the language.
You get first hand knowledge and instruction. They get some extra spending money. It's a win/win for everyone.
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It sounds like a real language class now,where are we guys? In Rus 101 lecture?? You think all eyes are gonna turn on you if you speak perfect Russian? That will only make you ordinary and another member of the crowds out there!! I've never used even one word of Russian so far,though I can understand and speak a bit. Try to grasp a few words of Ukrainian if you aim to be interesting and different.Never forget the golden rule,being able to communicate with a girl in every way is always a disadvantage.
Moreover,trying to get a response in a foreign language will automatically raise the level of quality.
As for visas,it's really fun to enter Ukraine for the first time with a touristic visa,especially if you travel by car or try to hide some of the money you have!
Dnipro Hotel has always been guest friendly and it's at your hand to make any hotel guest friendly by acting in a strong and eager manner without any hesitaitons.
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Uke Boy, thanks for the top tips.
Am interested in the kind of place where you can turn up, choose a girl and get sorted there and then and be out in a couple of hours.
Any ideas
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Well, I am in Kiev. I visited Rest Town. Was basicaly like it was last May when I was there. Although the girls are not so happy with the place. Met up with a tall tan Ukraine girl lenna. Was about a 7. A true pro. Although it was late I was tired and did not feel like much barter in me I agreed to price and away I went. Was not hasseled when I left Rest Town. Well I still have about 8 mor days to go and still manyplaces to go.
I thought you all would like an update on the Rest Town.
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Could it be possible that a girl you meet for the first time for a few hours(starsfromheaven.co.uk) invites you to disco at 3o'clock after midnight and visits you back in the morning? Or even calls you all of a sudden after 1 month and tells she's ready to go on vacation with you for a whole week,not even mentioning about money? Sounds like a dream or paradise.
It snows like hell here,but who cares?
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Hey Armorer,
So are you saying that they are still operating the rooms downstairs or did you have to take her back to the hotel. And how much did she charge if you don't mind me asking?
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Hello everybody out there,
Can anybody tell me, where I can find a place for an erotic massage here in Kiev (Adress, next Metro, Price)?
The girls in the bars and pubs are very friendly (also the non pros). What is possible with the non pros, do they wanna just rip you off or they are really that friendly than they appear?
And which places I have to check out for some fun?
Thanx a lot in advance for your help.
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Well I Just returned from Kiev. Was a might bit cold my last day there. Was a balmy -8 wonderful. I had a nice time of it.
Blake7:
Yes there was the opertunity to take her down stairs but I had just gotten into town and was more interested in appartment style fun. So I took her back. We talked a bit in between and got a little info on it. Still $50 for sauna with girl. So it was basically what I was quoted back in May last year.
While there I made a few stops at River Palace. Was not a bad time. Picked up a couple nice women for some fun. Will post a pic later. I am kinda tired just getting home and all.
Also checked out this new place that opened up. Used to be a place Called "Cowboy Club" Now it's called " MOJO" it basically a smallish resturaunt with light strip show in the evenings. Later that is. Not bad at times I only got to visit there 2 times. Did meet this 8 name of Vita. Boy was she nice. Blonde bout 5'5" well any how. I am off for now check back in later.
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Hi all, and thanks for everyone for your tips.
Special thanks for Uke Boy. It seems you have very good experience, and know to give excellent advice. And thank's for Snowy and Vegamars for your info. Also thnks, for Mangus Man, I see you have a lot of knowledge fron the girls in Ukraine, thanks.
Maybe it will help, so I will report from my trip to Kive, Hope some of you readers may benefit from my report.
I lived in France all my life, I am new in the USA, But I traveled once to Kive for business, I was in Kive Oct 03 for about 1 week.
I went to Kive with a group, we were in the DNIPRO HOTEL, and because I am in a business group, plus I do not speaking Ukraine, my choices are limited. I can not walk up and down those streets, start talking to a girl and ask for a good time, ect. The best for me is to see ladies outcall to my hotel, so I try to call an escort agency, I most tell you it was a very hard time for me.
On the second day around 2:00 pm in the afternoon, I get out from DNIPRO HOTEL. I told my group I am going to spend the day and the night for shopping on the street alone, and I will be back in middle of the night.
I went out from my HOTEL and from my group, I ask a taxi-cab to take me to the PRESIDENT HOTEL. A room cost 80$ USD. Called an agency, I forget the name right now, (I find the agency on the net, the web is now closed). I have the number in my book, the phone number is:44.264.4804. A lady answered the phone and told me she will come over to me in my room, in the next hour, to discuss with me. I was waiting two hours. She came over and brought for me three books with photos from all kind of beautiful girls. I chose a girl, she ask me "and if the girl will not be available?". I chose another girl and another girl, I told her "You get the idea the kind of girl I like?". She told me "ok". She told me the price of the girl is 50 $ for an hour, and I agree.
Then she aske me to pay her 35$ for the servercies, to come to see me and to bring me the photos, and also taxi fee. I paid her 40$, she told me, the girl will be in my hotel room in the next hour.
I was waiting for two or three hours, she never show up. I call the woman, she told me she can not find a girl this night! I ask her, and I told her "I paid you $40 for nothing?" She took down my phone number. She call me back and send me a beautiful, blond, slim, tall, tan and really nice, girl, but she ask for 1 hour $200. I do not want to pay her, and she left the room, I call the agency again and again, but after a while she told to me "I do not have no more girl's".
She also told me, that the girls do not want to come in the PRESIDENT HOTEL, if I want, I can come to their room "incoal", but I do not want to go out from the PRESIDENT HOTEL, I do not want my group should see me on the street, plus I am afraid to met the girl not in my room, so I can not have a girl from the agency. And because I pay her 40 $, I feel she riped me off.
I try to call next agency cold "Exotic Ukrainian Escort Agency". The phone number is 380.48.221.8950, and 380.48.743.7805, but nobody anser the phone, I tried alot of times, don't seem to have the luck. I was really lost!
BTW in middle my anger, I went down in the loby from the hotel, and in the bar from the hotel, find nuthing. (PRESIDENT hotel is not in the middle of a big street, it is, I think, like in a corner from the city).
I search on the web "prosex", call up a girl name Lenna. Ask her if she can come over, she told me "yes, in the next 15 min". But she is afraid to come in the hotel lobby, so I should go down in the loby and wait for her.
But near the exit door, I find a very nice tall girl, with a nice looking & very skinny, she ran in to me and started talking to me "For $50 I can have sex with you?" But because I call already called Lenna, I told for this nice lady "NO."
After a while, I saw Alana. Young, brown skin, blace hair, for 50 $ FS. Very good and she knows her job quite well! Doing everything without asking for more money, she was really cute, and she started working on me quickly! The absolute best sex of I've ever had!
When we were done, I went back to my group, I make business for 3 days.
By the end, I have 1 day off, I took a texi going to a hotel in Kive, the "BRATISLAVA HOTEL". I paid 59$ from the room. I get in the hotel, near the elevator, I find a man who speaks English, I ask to him if he can help me to get a girl. He told me for 50 $ yes! I will bring you a nice girl, but he told me not to come back in the lobby, the girl will come to my room. I go up in my room, I was waiting 2 hour, finally a man knocked on the door. He came in with two girl, 1) A girl in her 40s. tall, blace hair. 2) A blond with long hair, tall, yoing, in her 20s. I ask for number 2. She was over all good. But not very good. And not good like Lenna from the PRESIDENT HOTEL, she refused to french kiss at all, do not let me fuck her twice, only once. I ask her I like your pussy and ass, see not let me kiss it, but I offered her $50 more and she agree to let em kiss her pussy, but still not do it twice. I was with her like two hours, then the man knocked on the door, and picked up the girl.
I went back to the DNIPRO HOTEL, and came back home in the USA.
Bottem line: Because I did not go to KIVE alone, only with my group, plus my English is not good, so I most to go with an escort agency. I do not have luck till now with an agency.
I will be back in KIVE for business in april 04, I hope I will have better luck.
can any one give me som advice, tips, info. ???
Question: It is not ther tapes or CD to learn how to speak the language? I have tape's from "pimsleur speak & read", but I learned the language is very hard.
Last Question: Can I bring in a girl in the BORISPOL HOTEL in a room, with no hassles? Is the hotel a good place? The price is very good, 40 USD a night. Also, the girls from the city from Kiev will want to come to the the BORISPOL HOTEL. I was there once, in middle of the night, went go down to the lobby, find nothing. Went to the bar, and to the restaurant next door, but find nothing.
Thanks agin, and all the best.
her555
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HER555, don't take me wrong, but if I have to have sex like you in Kiev I will ask to become a MONK!!!!
SHIT! were you in a group of nuns?!? Fuck the group, DNIPRO is a good hotel!. Close in your room and call an escort agency! Girl will be delivered directly to your room!
How many hotels have you visited? How many you have paid?
At least, pick a girl and go to a sauna, but a life (in Kiev) like yours was terrible!
Go to River Palace, pick a girl and go back to your DNIPRO! Is your group stationing permanently in Tthe hall or in front of your room? Please, wake-up!
If one of your colleagues see you .... who cares? you are not with another man or a transexual! You're a man, she is a girl, and you'll FUCK!!! Like all other men in Kiev, Paris, Rome and Timbuktu.....
Sorry for the words, but I didn't wantto offend you.... just give you a ....wake-up call ....:-)
Better luck for the next trip!
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Before you come back from the US,never ever forget the following:
Send your business(??!) group to Nevada or Alaska for free so that it can find some new petroleum reserves out there!!
Don't think you need two or three hotels to meet a girl,Dnipro Hotel is the best option in town for taking girls and besides you can even do without a hotel or apartment of yours.
Don't you ever call a girl from Odessa,it'll take at least 5-6 hrs for her to show up.
Don't forget the golden rule of Kiev-no matter how many girls you're entitled to meet,the first one you encounter takes precedence even though you might see her for the first time in your life.
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Thenks for all, for your rspoand
Originally posted by Vegamars:
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Don't forget the golden rule of Kiev-no matter how many girls you're entitled to meet, the first one you encounter takes precedence even though you might see her for the first time in your life.
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Can you explin thet golden rule, for me?
Thanks in advance.
Her555
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It's not a rule to explain or understand,you must feel it inside and live through??
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Hi Vegamars,
I know I haven't earned the right to post on the Ukraine section as I haven't made a trip to this country yet. I think you have a lot to add from your experiences in the Ukraine, but many posters would probably find your information more helpful if it wasn't put forth in a Zen master sort of way. Maybe a little more elaboration on details and concepts? Thanks.
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Hey Jak,
You have every right to be here, in search of usable knowledge, but no one should ask Veg to morph from cultural philosopher-elitist into the people's monger. Remember, the devil's in the details! So be careful what you wish for :-)
For example, I so wanted to yell at 555 and call him worthless and weak, until I read Sour's wake-up call, which helped me to calm down after I stopped LOL.
555, in April, for all our sakes, un-plug your laptop and please get a flat and a Kiev Post. After your mind-numbing success, if you so choose to return and accept your mission, you are now officially required by the French Foreign Mongering Legion to sponsor, (fuck), a MINIMUM of 3 Natashas per day while in country. To be reasonable, you will be allowed an occasional rest, meaning 2 Nataly's per day, but only should you run out of cash or come, which ever comes first, of course. But you better have a good excuse for slacking, like falling asleep during your 6 hour wait for Odessa, (?).
Where did Vag get Odessa anyway?
Don't feel bad though, the very first girl was super, like you said ! Just don't let the philosophers fool you that it was the girl, it really wasn't her. It was you Frenchie! After all the eye-candy overdosing, the first pre-heated concubine-wench who grabs your wallet with one hand and your zipper with the other will make your head spin. Its really true, I'm sure many others can attest.
Once upon one of my arrivals, after barely 2 steps into the flat, a dyev had her tongue completely down my throat, and not even 30 seconds later, she had my johnson down her throat. That's just her being in-heat combined with your testosterone overload, where you slam-fuck her against the coat rack standing up in the vestibule with your shoes still on. Like I said, happens to us all, right mongers?
Actually, and as always, Veggie is correct. You should call an Uzbeki girl, its a direct flight from Tashkent, and they are so hot. My only one of those was a super horny slope eyed blond with very smooth dark skin. We took a long hot bath but somehow still got very dirty.
Bon Chance
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Originally posted by Vegamars:
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Don't forget the golden rule of Kiev-no matter how many girls you're entitled to meet, the first one you encounter takes precedence even though you might see her for the first time in your life.
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Nothing difficult to understand.
But also I sometimes failed in this rule... But this only confirmed me that's really a golden rule!
No matter if it seems a bit rough, but pick the first girl you grab, no matter if you are expecting a new and younger Cameron Diaz that want to have sex with you. No matter! pick the first and, if ...Cameron still want to stay with you... OK but at your time.
Otherwise you risk to lose a good chance for a girl that will never appear .......sad but real.
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Maybe the detail's in the devil itself??
The more I give details the less likely you'll grab any kind of success or joy.You'll just try to go exactly the same way and fail at the end.
What makes Kiev so special is there are enough unique ways for every adventurer,if you really wanna feel special.
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Wholeheartedly agree with Vegamars.
A month ago I had thought the Vega don't want to share the tips with us.
Now, after 18 days in UA, I understand completely his point of view.
A detailed tip makes two things:
1) is NOT applicable to you. You can go completely wrong with it. Or exceptionally good with the opposite...
2) steal the "flavour" of initiative that makes a normal night an exceptional night.
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Hello,
I visit Kiev oftenly for business, and allways rent an appartament near Maidan. I have many times contacted with GIA and the service has been allways perfect (Ksiushsa is wonderful, and before there was a other girl named Tanya but she left GIA).
This month I couldnt contect them and I phoned to an anopuncement that appeared in Kviv Post, it is like a pink heart (491-6220), they offeerd me girls from 17 to 25, I asked for the 25 one, and the one that arrived after one hour told me she is 19, 100$ for 2 hours, very bad service, blowjob with condom (she refused without), when I told her that she was not good at all in bed,, she told me that this was her 3rd service this day and was very tyred. So finally we ended with nice talking as I saw that would be impossible to enjoy sex. My advice is dont call to this service.
For my next trips I would like to meet a nice woman about 35-40, not just for sex (also for good sex of course), so, can anyone recomend me, how to find this kind of lady in kiev?
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Let's start all over from the beginning.
If you wanna be permanent in Ukraine first make a reason for it-business of course,but not in the ordinary sense and rather right through the end in every aspect.Ukrainians are just sick of working in the country and with Russia(they consider Russians as sluggish businesswise-not my opinion),so surprisingly enough you can find numerous ways of accomplishing transactions and deals.For instance I've already made my way on three different fields by using a little bit of creativity,of which two are completely new for me.
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VM,
Although that guy told me that ALL Ukraine women take money, I NEVER said I believed him, nor did I see proof of that in my 9 journeys there. On most of my trips, I've spent almost half my time pursuing normal girls with regualr jobs or university types, and though I didn't offer them money, I had many chances to. In some cases, now that I look back, I wish I had, but at the time, I wasn't comfortable because I didn't want to possibly offend them, and I didn't want to come off as being only interested in sex. In retrospect, its likely I missed an opportunity here and there, and I certainly would have been better able to prove or dis-prove this myth, so in that respect, I lost out on being able to add anything significant to this discussion. I'm sorry, I really should have done better.
But as for American women, I must disagree with you. Over the last 10 years, IMHO I see a drastic change here in the SoFla area. Local new amatuers (18-24 y.o.) here seem to have vanished. Since around 1995, the half dozen girlfriends I have who used to easliy be able to arrange introductions of new talent they'd met out and around on the party circuits are all telling me that no one here wants money anymore. Everyone they meet now has all the money they want from either their boyfriends or their family. That seems to be the biggest difference from the past.
It was fairly common in the past to meet women whose boyfriends and families wouldn't give them any support. Now its doesn't seem to matter what I offer, the standard response here now is, I don't do that or I don't need money. I'm sure other areas are different, and sure, there always are 30 year old crack monster SW's out there if that's your taste. Also strictly-business very cold $250+ per hour 25 to 40 year-old professional escorts are available, but they offer 0%GFE, so there's basically no pleasure in that. Their list of "Don't do that /Can't touch that" is 5 times longer than their list of what they will do. It was this major shift, plus discovering the WSG, that got me started travelling. DR, CR, Brazil, and Bali opened my eyes, but then Ukraine opened my heart. Its the best place in the world. Even if only half are willing, 5 million ladies is more than enough for me!
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So, just to clear up any confusion regarding Rest Town. We went there twice last weekend. The first time was Friday night after a few drinks at "Freedom" - great club by the way with a superb "strip zone" upstairs. You can sit and drink beer and watch the show. Don't bother with a private dance - no matter how hot she is $100 for 15 minutes with no touching is seriously overpriced! Anyway we rolled up to Rest Town at about 3am and all seemed the same as last year. A few of the girls I recognised were still there and the deal seems to be the same with only one difference. The have been making renovations downstairs and changing all the little bedrooms into fancy sauna complexes. The upshot is there are less rooms and, get this, I was told that I would have to wait 3 hours before I could take my chosen beauty downstairs. In the end I couldn't be bothered to wait so we left.
We went the next evening at 9pm in an attempt to beat the rush. No problems this time and me and my chum took a couple down to the sauna for $50 each. The place was huge with two bedrooms, sauna, pool, karaoke and stuffed antelope heads on the wall - the girls think it is supercool. Bit of a waste as we went straight to the bedrooms and then left after the hour was up. Both girls were trying to pressure us to take an extra hour. We had to pay an extra $40 between us on top of the $50 for the use of the room. The girls were fun and happy and we had no problems with the police.
Still a great place!
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Hi All,
Complete new in this forum, but living already long time in Ukraine, and since 1 year permanently in Kiev.
I agree all the good opinions about Resttown. Absolute one of my favourites. But there are still many other places with the same fun for less price, even some regular bars nowadays!
Anyone like to join partyevening once?
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After my trip to Moscow, I had very low expectation for Kiev.
I got in to Kiev around noon Tuesday. I did not speak Russian so, I decided to use the service of vipgateway.com to hook me up.
When I got to Kiev, I was glad that I had someone waiting to pick me up. The taxi scalpers where fierce here.
I had been in Kiev before but, I had only been to Rest Town and River Palace. I did not like either of those places. The waitresses looked better than the dancers in Rest Town. There were way too many pros in River Palace.
This time I wanted a personal guide to help me with finding the non-pro girls. When I got off the plane, I was greeted with a very nice looking girl. Her name was Natasha and she spoke excellent English. In my reservation, I had specified that I wanted a nice apartment near maidan and that the purpose of my trip was to find girls.
Since I state this ahead of time, I was not embarrassed to tell Natashia that I want to find a girl to come to my apartment. I was restless from the flight. She asked me if I wanted her to call her friends. I told her that I prefer to get one off the street on the way from the airport. She told me that most of the girls are still in school and I should wait until 3PM to find one. It was 2:10PM so, I told her that I can wait. A good place to wait is in the new Internet Cafee inside the airport. It cost around 20Hyg for an hour. At 3PM I went with Natasha in her taxi and we drove around a couple of areas. One looked like a truck stop/rest area and the other is around a bunch of residential high rise apartment. There were many girls standing by the side of the road with their school bag waiting to be picked up. Most were asking for $350 to $400Hyg which is around $70 to $80USD.
After 40min of looking, I found one that was very cute for $350Hyg. By the time we got to the apartment, it was 5PM. At the airport, I was given a cell phone with an English speaking concierge person phone program in. I was told by Natasha that someone else will be my guide the next time I call because she has something to do.
Normally I would have been disappointed because I paid $70USD for only 3 hours. But, when I saw the girl without her clothes on I forgot all about it. The girl name was Luda and speak very little English but, she was very willing. I had her every which way but, she would not do anal. An extra $20USD changed her mind. I went at it for the entire 3 hours.
When I ran out of steam, I would rest and had her blow me until I got my wind back. I had to let her go at 8PM. She gave me her cell phone number and I promised to call her again. I was exhaused from lack of sleep for the last couple of days and I crashed. I did not wake up until 1AM. I was hungry. I call the vip service and told the concierge that I want to get something to eat.
About 15min later a car arrived. I wanted a salad and a girl but, the driver did not speak English so I could not tell him anything. I called the concierge again and told him what I wanted. He recommended a place called modobar and he told the driver to take me there. Modobar was pretty nice. It is part of a chinese restaurant Mandarin inside of a boat. I heard that the restaurant is good but, it is closed.
The door price for modobar was 20Hyg. There were many empty tables on the second floor but, they were all reserved. I had to bribe the waiter $100Hyg for a table. The music was good, the fashion show was not. There were not as many girls at the bar as River Palace but, the girls were nicer looking. I had my salad while checking out the girls at the bars. One girl was really nice looking with her hair braided in strands. I ask the waiter to ask her to come up to sit with me. She speak decent English but, she wanted $150 for the night. I could not get her to go down to $100 so, I told her that I'll think about it. I keep looking but, did not see anyone else that I like and it was getting late. I decided to go home with her. I called my concierge to send me a taxi. We got back to my apartment and I found out that she was 20 years old and her name is Vika. She want me to take a shower when we got home.
I told her that I want her to scrub my back. After playing around a bit in the tub, she relaxed. She was fun in bed. I was pumping away at her at all possitions for 2 hours and still cannot release. So she went BBBJ for about 30min until I complete then she ran to the bathroom to spit. I wanted to sleep then and there but, she insisted on smoking. Why do all Russian girls smoke like a smokestack. I felt asleep with her wrapping herself around me like a python for heat.
I let her go at 7AM because she had to work early. I did not ask her for her phone number because she was a bit expensive and not really my type. I went for some breakfast at the Sport Bar and found a really cute waitress there. I wanted to ask her out but, she did not understand English. I had to call my concierge to translate over the phone. She gave me her number but, told me that it does not do much good because she cannot speak English.
Suspecting that this might be the case everywhere, I booked a translator for 4 hours to help me with the non-pros. My translator was Natasha again. She told me that we can walk around the shops under Maidan and on Kursatuk and if I see someone I like, she would approach the girl for me. This is the first time I have this kind of service so, I want to try for the girls off the street. The first three I wanted was all negative. Natasha told me that those three have boyfriends and they did not need the cash.
We walked some more but, it was getting cold. So, we decided to head under Maidan to the shops. We went to a cofee shop and I saw a very pretty girl sitting by herself. Natasha noticed this and walked me over there to sit. It turned out the girl name is Marina and that she speak great English. We talked for a while and Marina told me that she cannot see me that day but, she can the next day. I got her number and left. At this point, I am still without a date for the night. I was tired of the search so, I told Natasha to get me a girl.
She made some phone calls and told me that she will bring two girls around to my apartments at 10PM so I can pick. I told her that I wanted to visit some of the bazzaar until then. We took taxi to a bazaar selling tourist stuffs. I bought some of the stacking dolls and a russian cossack hat. It was nice that she did all the negotiation for me in Russian. She told me that I still got scalped because the bazzaar is a tourist trap but, it could have been worst.
I wanted some local food so, we went to a Ukrainian restaurant. After we fished, I noticed that I did not have much cash left. I was told that I can get cash on account from the concierge guy and that it would be charged to my credit card. This is even better for me since I get mileage on the card.
At 10PM I did not see any of the girls coming to my apartment so, I called Natasha. She told me that she is still looking and to wait. It was not until 1Am that the girls showed up. I went down to look and knew that I had to have both of the girls. I paid $300 for both and took them inside. The brunette is Erica and the blond is Natasha. Both were my type. We talked a little bit, and I had them stripped. They showered alone then came back to bed. I started to pushed them together but, they complained that they were not lesbians.
I told keep on insisting and eventually they gave in. The only problem was neither would do BBBJ. This frustrated me greatly. Later, I found out that the girls were sisters. I did not expect this since they have different hair colors and the do not resemble each other. This was a first for me. I think that if I had the younger brunett alone, I can get away with more but, with her older sister around, everything was nee hachu. We played until 5AM and they wanted me to get some food. I wanted pizza but, they wanted fish.
They told me that there is a grocery store nearby that open 24hr. So, I called for my taxi and we went shopping. I got them the fish but, they looked nasty so, I got myself some Ukrainian salad, meat and bread instead. After we finished the food, it was 7AM but, I could not sleep. So, we stayed up cuddling and watching TV then they left at 8AM. My guide came by later to see how I like the girls. We talked for a while and I found out that they have a VIP service in Kharkov. I read on wsg that kharkov is a nice place to go so, I told her that I want to spend the rest of my time there.
She took me to Ukrainian Air, AVIA AIR, for a ticket to Kharkov. It was around $100 round trip. I wanted to leave the next day so that I have some time to pack. At this point, for some reason, I wanted Natasha, my guide. Maybe because of her English or because I see her so often. So, I told her and she accept for $100/night. She was not great but, made up for it by being able to speak English. I forgot how fun it was to lay in bed and chat before and after sex. I felt asleep and almost did not wake up for the flight but, Natasha woke me and even packed for me.
She took me to the airport for Kharkov. She told me that my cell phone will still work in Kharkov since I am using the UMC network. My flight was at 7AM and as I board the plan, I noticed that it was a propella plane and that de-icing the plane is a major ordeal. Eventually the plane took off and I arrived in Kharkov. But, I will post the last leg of my travel to Kharkov in that section.
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Peter,
I am a big fan of Resttown but would certainly like to hear about any similar places. Can you share a few ?
Thanks
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All,
I was wondering if anyone can help me with websites or any other resources that would help me find a job in Kiev (I am from US). I know this is way off the topic, but I figured there are few expats here.
Thank you
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Zergut,
You got to do your guide too?
Talk about fantasy land. ARGH! I need to get here. Plenty of cash to burn.
I just have moral issues. Got a girlfriend recently.. feel bad if I actually pull all the way through with it. Someone convince me that international sex does not count! :)
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zergut:
Very nice report, thanks a lot! It is hilarious that you did your translator:) Kiev seems more expensive than Moscow based on your report. I'm especially curious about your Kharkov experiences...
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Photos as promised. This is my tour guide Natasha.
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This is Vika from Modobar.
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I've been reading this forum for a year or so, and have decided its time I started contributing information. I was last in the Ukraine at the end of February, where I visited many of the establishments that have been reviewed in this forum. I would say overall, the only city that can compare with Kiev for pro-sex, is Prague, however Kiev is a lot more economical.
What I think Kiev has got over places like Prague, Tallinn, Moscow and Istanbul, is that the place is far more unspoilt, in that hookers will enjoy speaking and spending time with you, as they have a genuine fascination for the west. You’ll find yourself talking about the most ridiculous things with these girls. As there exposure to western culture is limited to things such as Vogue, MTV and Hollywood Films. Many of these girls, unlike anywhere else that I have been too, will given the opportunity like to have some sort of a relationship with you.
This does sound ridiculous, as I’m sure that most of you are very cynical about working girls and what they tell you, but I assure you that it is true. If you go to places like 111 and Moda Bar, the girls do not consider themselves as Prostitutes, even though a considerable percentage of them will accept money for sex. The difference between paid and non-paid sex is perhaps more grey here than in any other country that I have visited.
Even in a club like River Palace, my personal recommendation for mongering in Kiev, many of the girls are semi-pro. What is so simple about the river palace is that every single girl in the club is working. So if you arrive in the club quite late, after a day working or entertaining clients, you do not have to waste time putting your toe in the water before asking how much they charge. So long as you have $100 in you pocket you can convince 90% of the girls in the club to return to you apartment within 2 minutes of speaking to them. Yes most of them will initially ask for $150 or $200, but very few of them will risk going home empty handed to spend more than a minute or two bargaining with you until agreeing to your offer. Many of them if you are relatively attractive and are able to charm them a bit, will agree to spend the night with you for $60 or $80.
Apart from the River Palace there are various other clubs in the city, which have a number of working girls present. In fact you would do well to find a club which does not have at least one working girl. Perhaps Moda Bar is the only one that can be described as full of Hookers, and works in a very similar way as the River Palace although there are a considerable number of girls who are not working, but are there instead to find a wealthy boyfriend. Is there a difference? Who knows?
Aside from that the scene consists of various escort agencies that charge $100 for 2 hours, for what at best is a variable product. There are also various strip/sex clubs, Restown being the most well known that offer a very professional kind of escort for $50 - $120 per hour.
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If one was to be working in Kyiv for just a couple of days, with only a couple of hours free in the evenings, what sort of itinerary would you recommend? I enjoy a good strip club (as long as one doesn't get ripped off) and then selecting a beautiful girl for nocturnal pleasures!
Are the hotels generally girl-friendly, or is it security inquest time, and bribes to doormen? I am thinking of staying in either Natsionalny Hotel, or Hotel Dnipr.
And finally yet another question - are US Dollars widely accepted?
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What is average going rate in places like Moda Bar, River Palace etc...
Vegamars: This question is for you if you are reading. How would you compare Kiev to Istanbul or Cyprus in terms of prices and quality?
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Hedonist,
Moda Bar is $20Hyr for the door. I haven't gone to River Palace in a while but, I think that the price is still 20Hyr for the door. Food is more expensive at Modobar but, maybe because I was mostly ordering fresh fruits. My bill usually run around $90 USD for dinner at either place for 4 people.
If you want cheap and can speak Russian, I would suggest the potato house near maidan. This is a good spot for the local girls. Another good place would be the Sport Bar on one of the side street off from Krashetuk or the coffe shops under Maidan. You could even ask the waitress out.
If you do not speak Russian, I would get a guide or find a local monger who does to help you with translation. SMS is a big thing there. Around 11PM there even is a local chanel on TV with SMS log messages scrolling on screen. If you can read Russian you can call some of the non-pro on the list. I forgot the station but, there are only a few station in Kiev anyway.
The rate for the girls in Modobar is around $150 for the 8-10 range and $80-100 for the 6-7 range. Sometimes you can spot a group of girls sitting upstairs. Ask the waiter if they are working girls. If they are not, send them a bottle of Champange for 100Hyr then head over there to talk to them. You might be able to get one for free.
Girls in River Palace are all working girls. I have not met one there that are non working. The rate are usually $100 for the night. Get a table from the hostess. If you see a girl you like, wave her over and ask her how much. My friend tells me that my pick up are horrible. He would usually chat them up a bit before asking how much. I would just head straight for the kill and ask them how much, are they good, do they swallow, etc... If the girl act surprise, I would tell them this is normal is the US. They will believe anything because the only thing thay have to measure is MTV. At both of these places, there are dance floors but, I usually don't join in. I don't want to waste time dancing when I can check the girls.
At modobar you will have to bribe the waiter to get a good table. You don't have to at River Palace. Remember to bring tons of small bills since the bar tender at both places are a bit slow at giving you back your changes.
TK:
I would not stay in a hotel but, that is my preference. An apartment is girl friendlier. If I will only be there a couple of days, I would stay near Maidan and I would get a cell phone. I would head to most of the strip clubs around maidan, most open 24 hours. Then I would head to River Palace if I don't see anything I like at the clubs. I would suggest to you the same thing to Hedonist, that you find someone local. Maybe even a taxi driver from the airport who speak good english and have them help set up some girls for the night. Have them SMS you once they found someone. Pay them 10 or 20Hyr for the service even if you don't get a girl from them. Kiev is very USD friendly. Make sure you bring new, non torned bills. You can always change for Hyr when you get there. Local people change to/from USD all the time so, most of the time you are not even asked to show your passport. Be careful of the police around Maidan. They will usually ask you for a bribe late at night. If you don't want to pay, just pretend to not understand and make a show of calling the US embassy or your local embassy on your cell phone.
Hope that helps.
Z
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US Dollars are very accepted. VERY! Although some places are starting to use Euro because of the exchange rate, dollars are still the currency of choice.
If you want a great overnight girl (although more pricey), use
http://www.starsfromheaven.co.uk/
All girls are pro, and cost $300-400/night, but their reviews are simply wonderful
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Let me make it clear one more time that there are a lot of regular girls hanging out for fun in River Palace,especially in the restaurant and casino.This is not out of observation but rather that I know a lot of girls and talk to them about it.There are also some girls who hate to go to River Palace just because every foreign man out there thinks he can do what he likes with every girl just with money.Most of the time these are the best looking girls you'll see around and it's quite possible to approach them if you know how to play the cards.
In contrast to the general belief the proportion of pros in Ukraine is not more than any other country.
The quality of paid sex is quite high,just as it is in Northern Cyprus and Istanbul,but the best condition of quality versus price is Northern Cyprus,where you'll find best Ukrainians and Moldovans if you're determined enough.
What makes Kiev so special and exciting in contrast to all other places in the world is something difficult to describe but rather to live-- that anything's possible without any limits- no end.. always a new adventure that attracts...
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I'm planning to be in Kiev for a long weekend in a couple of weeks, can anyone recommend a good provider of apartments, airport transfers and this sort of thing?
I've used several in the past and have not been completely satisfied with the apartments offered. Additional is there anyone else apart from zergut who has had any success approaching strangers through translators in the street?
Does anybody have any contacted info for working girls that charge less than $75 for 2 hours. To date I have only found gia, but have been let down by them.
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This is one of the girl I found on Kreshatuk and had my translator asked for a date. She ended as my girlfriend. It is both a good and bad choice. She agreed to not see other men except for me but, I have to help her with her bills. Luckily she still live with her parents so, the bills are not that bad yet. I met her parents and they are really nice people.
( I am fairly sure about the 'not see other men.' I am currently paying a small fee to the translator to keep a tab on her. But, then, this is Kiev so... )
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OK, so I have a question. If you agree that she is your girlfriend, why would you post her picture? And if you are in it just to have a permanent someone there when you visit? Well, as you should have discovered from this forum, it's not necessary when it comes to Kiev. And be nice to her, regardless of whether these are "working" girls or not, they are still human and have feelings.
Also, I was born in Kiev, although have not lived there for a long time. Guys! most of the pictures that have been posted here are no better than a 6 out of 10. With money, translators, and so forth, you can do so much better. Of course you can't argue about taste, but still.
If you want to see what really good looking people look like, go to most places owned by "Kazirnaya Karta".
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All right, I apologize for the upcoming rant, but...
I know most of people on this board do not have a lot of time while in bars or clubs in Kiev. However, you cannot pass up opportunities to flirt with women who in most western countries- well- would not ever talk to most of us. Western passports and bank accounts are not the only advantages we have. We can afford to charm the women, to appear trully interesting, smooth. You have to understand that most Ukrainian men who are also at those bars are pretty much looking for the same thing as we are, except they are a lot more crude and women expect that. Thus, any and every attempt to be just a little more can pay off a lot more than $200. Enjoy it, cherish it, use it, don't trivialize it. Flirting and picking someone up can be such a rush.
All right, I am done. Thank you for your attention :)
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This is part of the game you can never guess.
Remember your girl and the translator promised she will never see another man alone,but they never promised they will not see another man together!!?
I hope you don't believe your translator met every girl you saw together on the street for the first time!!! ( what a small world it is)
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ZERGUT!!!
Holy Shit man!
Is that Marina????
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I wouldn't turn marina down.
But Pupsnu is correct, with the help of a translator you could find much more attractive woman.
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ZERGUT!!!!!!!
NO WAY NO WAY!!!
ITS HER MAN !!!
Jackson, you crazy crazy, only on WSG !!! This is too much !!
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dobra utrau!
welcome to Kiev(paradise)!?!
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MM!
You are right! That is Marina. Small world :) I'll put out more of my collection soon. Maybe others on the board can ID some of them. I would love to be able to know if nothing else.
Maybe I'll call Marina up when you are in Kiev and we'll share! She still has very low miles yet but, she is very open in bed and did not cry when I pulled out the whips. That is one of the reasons I picked her.
Z
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Help!
I need to find out if there is a florist in Kiev that I can call, give my credit card number and have them deliver quality flowers.
Thank you
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PUPSNU, I add here this link (Jackson is a commercial, non WG link)
because may be useful for other people.....
http://www.ukrdate.com/gifts/
(tried (affordable, quick and correct. Just the payment page is a bit "confusing")
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My work has booked me into Dnipr Hotel for 10 days this coming week. Not stayed there before. Is it girl friendly, or does one pay security if a River Palace girl happens to be by your side after a late night stroll by the water?
And what would be the deal with agency girls arriving directly at my room?
What's best agency if I can't risk leaving my room (surrounded by colleagues who'll be at bar all night!!)?
Thanx all
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O'Brians, the irish pub, has students looking to make a few dollars to pay for their grades. Apparently you have to pay your teacher to get good grades! This info came from www.rwguide.com a Russian woman marraige forum. (non-competitive site, Jackson)
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Hi Guys,,
Next April will be in Kiev, it's my first time. I will stop there 4 days. Somebody could tell me the best place where find girls no- pro? And pro. too? City areas, bars, disco, night club.
Thanks
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ciao nanto
I trust that if when you get back from the Ukraine you will post a full report of your adventures to help fill this bored with good info (unlike your last trips to vegas and prague)! In the end there is lots of info already here but i would like to see a good example of a reprot for prague from you. How did the info on the board happen.
rd
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Has Kievescort.com closed?
Is GiA reliable? Any other tips for good agency in case I cannot get to River Palace dsicreetly!
How's Rest Town these days? Are strip bars a rip off generally?
Guaranteed full reports to follow, but come on you guys I need some help as I'm only there a short while and cannot afford to waste time hunting and searching.
PM me if you want. Thanx.
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Goldfinger.
Its been a while since I visited the Irish Pub, but I didn't see any students there that were waiting to be paid to go home with a monger.
The hostess who showed us to our table was pretty fucking hot though. She was wearing black polyester pants that were so damn tight that you would have to be blind to not easily see her pussy lips dividing, and her ass cheeks were also well displayed by her obvious thong. She just gave me a nice smile, when she noticed that I was drooling. MM
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Theknight
The escort agency "GiA" is very good and reliable, I was In kive the beging of this mont, and I rty "GiA", it was worth every penny of it, I wes complete satisfid.
I will give soon a full report.
Happy honting for you.
her555
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Hi The Knight,
Dnipr Hotel is girl friendly, and the let you bring the agency girls directly at to you'r room. but some girl are afraid to come in the hotel lobby, so you should go down in the loby and wait for her.
Also, search on the web "prosex", look for ther tel. stert wite [44] = the area code for kive. the other girl's from "prosex" are from Russia.
I also ask the door man in Dnipr Hotel for a sex-girl, and the bribg me a nice lovely girl, so try the door man.
I an witting for you'r full reports to follow.
Happy honting for you.
her555
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Her 555
I found the Gia website "http://www.gia.com.ua/"
The pics are good.
How is the price for sex?
Did you try erotik massage? http://www.anahata.kiev.ua/html_en/contakt.shtml
Thanks
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Can any one suggest a good apartment rental agency?
I was looking for a good place in the centre?
I found one called Sherbourne hotel that seems OK.
Any one tried that?
Thanks
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Nanto71,
The price cost me by "GiA" agency, 90$ USD for 1 hour, and 110$ USD for 2 hour.
I recomad "GiA" agency for all, my experience wite them Is 100 % very good, it can not be beter, I will soon give a full report from me in kive this monet.
Happy honting for you.
her555
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TravelMen,
I have used them before, a couple times. Not to far from River palace. Still I have a friend who may be able to help you out if needed. has a place right near city center and will help you find anything you wish.let me know
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Has anyone tried www.uaescort.com? Kristina looks stunning.
Also, got an email from bestsexy@ukr.net agency after trawling the classifieds. They sent me an email which was garbage when it arrived, but included an attachment which showed three decent girls, but warned "our girls change so the girl you select may not now be available". This agency was $50/hour, $70 for 2 hours, so competitive prices.
However, are the girls' pics on either site likely to be genuine? Can you ask for a selection of girls to be sent to your room, and pick one, or none at all?
Thanks to anyone who takes the trouble to reply or PM me.
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Dear Knight,
At least 90% of the photos on the uaescort.com site are fake. In fact, not just on this site but on most other Ukrainian sites, except perhaps for Gia, photos are frauds. If it too good to be true, it was probably lifted from a Playboy-type site. If you see what looks to be a slightly disarrayed bed with oriental carpets and they seem almost "home photos," it is likely real.
All of this is not to say that the actual girls are not real. I have used the site and have come up with winners in the past who are not on the site now. From what I know, Lora (384) is a real disaster but Katenka (365) may be worth a visit. She is on my wish list. Prices for most are in the very reasonable range.
Also, anyone who sends you photos and says that you should hurry to meet the girls in the photos means that what you will get is not what you see. Bait and switch is popular here with most agencies.
As for outcall procedures, when you call an agency and they send you a choice, you can take who you want or refuse them all. What you will have to do is pay 20 Grivna for the car ride back, then call another agency.
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TravelMen,
I was in Kiev at the end of last year and got a place around 1 minute from Khreshchatik through http://www.alserent.kiev.ua/ for $50 a night.
Really nice couple run the agency and they couldn't do enough to help me out whilst I was there; they also sorted out the flat only around 2-3 days notice and seem really reliable. They don't speak much English, although they converse promptly in English by email using a translation site and they gave me the number of a friend who speaks excellent English so if I had any queries or needed any assistance I had someone to call.
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Actually unnecessary generalization is the general problem in the whole forum.
Sites like magicmarble.net,wild-escorts.co.uk and starsfromheaven.co.uk are among the most reliable in Europe(don't ask me how I know)
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Vegamars,
Magicmarble.net comes up as a blank page for me. Do you have an alternate url since it seems you know them well, are they down for some good reason and when will they be up again?
Wild-escorts.co.uk DO NOT allow any escorts to meet with clients in Ukraine. How do I know? I recently wrote to them and asked. I got a response from Tanya. They only do meetings with clients in Western Europe so this site is useless to those visiting Kiev or Ukraine.
As for starsfromheaven.co.uk, if you go to that url, it redirects you to top.escortitalia.com. Completely useless for Kiev/Ukraine as well.
Are these sites "among the most reliable in Europe?" Not by a long shot.
Maybe you can suggest sites that actually work and deliver for Ukraine?
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Uke Boy,
If you are based in Kiev, starsfromheaven.co.uk does redirect to top.escortitalia.com. Maybe someone who understands the web could shed some light on this! I was able to access other .co.uk sites on the web from the web cafe without any problems, but I remember the stars things and thinking it was bizarre; I assumed I had the web address wrong.
The web address starsfromheaven.co.uk seems to work absolutely fine from outside Ukraine; perhaps they are like Wild and only want non-Ukraine business.
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http://kiev.magicmarble.net,starsfromheaven.co.uk,wild-escorts.co.uk,lovelygirls.org,gia.com.ua are all perfectly functioning websites serving in Kiev as well,but it's important to know how to approach to grasp the same frequency.
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Snowy,
Thanks for the information. Yes, I am based in Kiev so my provider does redirect wildescorts and starsfromheaven. Since these two sites definitely do not want to do business here, unless someone can show otherwise, then it is a waste of time to talk about them or mention them in this forum.
Actually, the same redirect thing happens with escort.Odessa.ua.
The redirect does not happen with Kiev-x.com or Odessa-x.com. Those are actually two reasonably reliable sites.
Vegamars,
wildescorts and starsfromheaven sites do not work in Ukraine.
I took a look at lovelygirls.org and it is a site with fake rip-off photos. Use them at your own risk since the prices seem too high for whatever goblin may show up.
Kiev.magicmarble.net is the mirror site for Kiev Escort Agency. It seems that kievescort.com was taken down. By the way, the photos of the girls there are actual photos. Gia.com.ua is also reliable with normal prices.
I am not sure I want to grasp any frequency. I would rather have solid and accurate information so I can spend more time grasping the ladies. Grasping frequencies is for NASA.
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All the info I've given is concrete out of experience.
Some agencies like wild-escorts and starsfromheaven certainly don't want to work in Ukraine to keep up a standard,but it doesn't mean there are certain exceptions in different ways.
Anyway,there are millions of other ways to reach better quality in Kiev.
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Uke.
I can't get anything to come up on escort.odessa.ua ?
Do I need to add something else like .com or .net
to get to that site?
kiev-x.com comes up in russian. Is there any simple way to switch it to English WITHOUT using one of those tricky translation programs that I don't have?
As for me, you certainly CAN ASK ME how I don't know, since I've never used glitzy websites to pick and pay for a professional sex worker, because it seems like their prices are guarranteed to ALWAYS be higher on the internet.
I know that when I first went to Kiev in 2000, I was told that $100 per hour is totally wrong. $100 should be for all night, no less. These sites that ask for $250 to $350 all night for Kiev, that just sounds like way too much unless you are some Saudi Royal family customer type.
Apologies to all for generalizing unnecessarily.
A frequent grasper,
MM
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Thanks Armourer and Snowy.
Can you guys tell me what the quality of the places were like?
I was after a good place, maybe up to $100 per night.
The Sherbourne looks pretty good, and they do the visa support letter and airport transfer.
I think they also have in room safes, which is a bit of peace of mind.
Any details would be great.
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TravelMen
The appartment was comfortable, adequate, pleasant - not sure what else to say about it! Not the lap of luxury, but nicely decorated, light, warm (I was there in December) and quite big. Like all the places I've booked in Russia, it wasn't much to look at from the outside and had a pokey stone staircase, but it had double-door security to the flat, security coded main door, was safe with an excellent location. Small but adequate bathroom, nice spacious lounge, really comfy bed, basic cable TV connection. It was perfect for my needs.
The thing I'm most interested in is that when I book on spec over the web that the people I book through can be trusted, and this couple definitely could. I'm sure for $100 you could get something far more luxurious than the one I had - from what I remember you get a two-bedroom, centrally located, satellite TV and jacuzzi for that sort of money from a few agencies on the web.
MM - I just use http://babelfish.altavista.com to translate Russian sites - free, easy to use and pretty effective.
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Mangus,
It is escort.odessa.ua. However, a few weeks ago I got a message from one of the co-owners blaming the other co-owner with theft of monies, deposits, or something like that. A short while after that, when I went to their site, I got a message saying that I had no permission to enter. I thought it was because I was here but it may be that their business dispute is still on-going and they are completely off-line. I will keep checking. I may have a phone number somewhere and if I do, I will call and find out the situation. If I do learn anything, I will post it since I see you like Odessa.
Kiev-x and odessa-x are Russian language only sites, I am afraid. I do not want to go over the language issue again. I may be accused of generalizing.
The ladies on the Kiev sites, including uaescort.com, tend to be in the $40-$70 first hour and $70-80 for 2 hours, with overnights in the $150-200+ range.
There are some glaring exceptions to these prices and some of them are actually worth it. One lady who was on the uaescort site (she is gone but I think she will be back) charges $100 per hour but did everything and was just great.
The two girl services range from a high of $150 for 1.5 hours to $100 for one hour and 2 hours for $150.
I am afraid I cannot help you with the translations programs. However if you click on DEBYWKU (something close to that on the Kiev-x.com site) you will see the ladies and I am sure language should not be that much of a problem. Details, photos that are mostly real and phone numbers are there but not prices.
Prices here, on the net or in River Palace, are about equal but I might add, the local pro prices are lower. The locals still have less money than we do and the local pros therefore charge less. Not a whole lot less but still less.
I enjoy meeting a stunning local pro once in a while and two hours as a regular costs me $50. That is real and specific, no generalizations.
Watch out what you grasp for, it may bite back.
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For those of you who wish to consider Gia as a possible option, they are fairly reliable, the ladies are almost always who they are in the photos and Gia can provide a flat on the Left Bank for you to meet the ladies away from your hotel.
However, be very aware of very significant price differences for locals versus foreigners. Here is a recent comparison for a new girl:
Zoya
1 hour 325 gr. = $61 @ today's rate of 5.32 gr. = US$1.00
2 hours 435 gr. = $82
3 hours 595 gr. = $112
4 hours 650 gr. = $122
10 hours 760 gr = $143
24 hours 1570 gr. = $295
The new girl ZOYA
1 hour- 70 EUR or $91 @ $1.30 street exchange rate
2 hours- 90 EUR or $117
3 hours- 110 EUR or $143
4 hours- 130 EUR or $169
10 hours- 180 EUR or $234
24 hours- 350 EUR or $455
Oral with condom, lesbi.
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I've been re-reading some of the posts with a view to planning a trip in April (if I don't get back soon I'm going to explode!). I've got a couple of questions for the Kiev regulars that I hope they can assist with.
Firstly I read a couple of pages back that O'Neils was a good place to pick up non-pro students. I'm not saying this isn't the case, but I had an apartment 200 yards from there when I was in Kiev and went for a drink there early evening quite often and I'm pretty sure there was no action on offer on any of my visits. The crowd was pretty much ex-pats looking for familiar surroundings or groups of locals out together. Maybe it has changed in nature since December, but it didn't look like a good place to go to meet locals (although it's a nice place to go).
The thing I'm most interested in are reccomendations for regular bars in Kiev with a good vibe that have some life in them around 8-9pm in the evening. Where can I go with a chance of hooking up with locals without waiting for midnight or 1am for people to arrive? Uke Boy mentioned that Eric's bars are all good - I went to 111 last time, which was great, but really didn't get busy on the nights I was there until midnight. Anyone got some other reccomendations? I know Eric has at least one other bar in Kiev, but I couldn't find it. I don't mind the late life but some earlier alternatives would be useful.
My second question is about internal travel in Ukraine. I might need to get to Mariupol - what's the best way to get there and roughly how much should it cost? Would I need to declare this on my visa or can I make the decision when I'm there and just use my standard tourist visa from the UK? Anyone been to Mariupol and, if so, what is it like? I saw Michael Gage had been there and said it didn't really have any tourist infrastructure, but I have basic Russian so I don't mind a trip to the relatively unknown, but some advice would be really welcome.
Sorry for so many questions; I promise to report back in full after my next visit.
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Uke Boy,
I appreciate your info for Gia site but what is their phone number now? I called +38 067 393 27 27 but the line seems to be closed.
Their email doesn't accept my messeages.
I was looking a the airport transfer and girl to assist me on info as I land, I will be in Kiev on 24th March, on Wednesday.
Will really appreciate it if you can reply before then.
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I'll be in Odessa and Nikolaev areas late April/early May.
If anyone will be around perhaps we can hook up.
Might stop by in Kiev also but I'll be really forcusing more on the south.
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Rendorseg,
I will be in Odessa and Nikolaev too, I am going to Kiev on 24th in 2 days, and leaving Ukraine 22nd April.
I may still be around Odessa by the time you get there, if you want to hook up for a chat, email me:
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Once you're in Ukraine you can stay as long as you wish till your visa expires and you can travel anywhere you wish.
The best places to meet students are the cheaper cafe/bar/restaurants alongside Kreschatik and Padole.
For a little excitement in a different design and atmosphere either at night or around midnight you could try Dinos Bar on Kraschatik right across Dnipro Hotel.
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Tech Boy - damn it... I'll be there between 4-24 and 5-8 so looks like we'll miss each other... but, hey, do me a favor and post some info on Nikolaev...
When in Odessa last time things were pretty sparce... chicks in the strip clubs were stuck up and those around that entrance to the port, well, they were kind of skanky by my measure.... I think that Nikolaev is more promising... not so much mafia $, women have a better attitude I think fm our perspective, eh? [;-)
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I ask informations to Gia agency by mail, it's working, they replay me:
Dear Sir!
We are glad to invite you to visit Ukraine, Kiev.
Our girls are: ZOYA, TAMARA, LINA, MILA, KARINA, VLADISLAVA, RITA, DIANA, KSYUSHA,
DASHA, NIKA, SASHA, IRA, YANA:
1 hour- 70 $
2 hours- 100 $
3 hours- 130 $
4 hours- 160 $
10 hours- 200 $
24 hours- 350 $
* Oral without condom (TAMARA, RITA, DIANA, MILA, KSYUSHA, DASHA, SASHA, IRA, YANA)
* Anal +20 $ (RITA, DASHA, IRA, YANA)
* Lesbi + 20
$ (ZOYA, TAMARA, KARINA, LINA, RITA, VLADISLAVA, DIANA, MILA, KSYUSHA, SASHA, IRA, YANA)
* An apartment for meeting 20$ - 30$
* 1 $USD = 5,4 UAH
PHONE NUMBER +38044 491 66 42
+38039 491 66 42
ADDRESS WWW.GIA.COM.UA
E-MAIL [blue][Email address deleted by Admin][/blue]
I hope this help
Bye
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Tech Boy,
I just called Gia at the number you called +38 067 393 27 27. Works just fine and was able to get the revision of prices that Nanto71 just sent in. Seems that Gia changes prices and systems almost as often as new girls come in and out. His is, for now, the correct price list.
I know nothing about their email as it is easier for me to call them since I am here.
I also cannot help you with the airport transfer and a girl. I do not always check the forum since I do have many other things to do.
It looks like Gia has gone to a one price system but if you want to pay in Grivna rather than dollars they will charge you a 5.4 exchange rate rather than a street rate of 5.32 That means $70 at 5.32 is 372.40 Grivna or 378 Grivna if you pay them at the 5.40 rate. No big difference.
The big difference is that the local price went up, I am sorry to say. We will see what they say in their next round of email prices.
I can also add to Vegamars' comment that you have entered Ukraine, you can travel anywhere on the visa. Just do make sure you have a visa before you come and do not overstay the term of the visa. Otherwise, enjoy.
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Thanks Uke Boy,
I might give GIA a call, I also checked out Odessa escort site and they are charging 300Euros for 12 hrs, it seems it is very high for Ukraine, but I like 3 of the girls in the pic so might try out anyway.
I'll try to give some interesting report, maybe I'll try the disco clubs, I'm young good looking entrepreneur but quite shy, and I'll try:)
By the way, you know you can arrange a date with the dating agencies in Kiev and Odessa for $20-$40 intro, it might take more effort but it's good for the companionship. I'll check how it goes.
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If anyone is looking for a good contact in Kiev to organise semi-pro girls for them, hit me with a PM, and I can pass on the number of a contact I have.
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So I have a question:
What can a tourist who speaks/reads very little russian can expect to pay for staying on a daily basis in Kiev? Hotel, food, taxis, etc. Does speaking/reading russian get you any deals like cheaper hotels, flats, eating out?
Thanks!
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Opus D,
Hotels are artifically inflated prices. Locals have to pay same at the top hotels, don't know about 2/3 star places. Best bet apartment without doubt, unless your company pays.
Also security can be a problem with some hotels, usually ok at 4*+, but you may feel a little awkward!!
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Speaking a certain language will not decrease prices as you can guess.Even communicating in Ukrainian would not help you much.But when you travel to the western part of the country and especially to Lviv,I would never advise you to speak in Russian as it could double the prices for you.People there really hate Russian and communicate in Ukrainian all the time in a quite interesting accent,showing their envy of independence.
The only girl-friendly hotels in Kiev are Premier Palace and Dnipro and you'll always have a problem with the security in the others,which you can easily solve by 50Gr.You must always be ready for wondering eyes on you when passing through with a girl though as if you're doing the most interesting thing in the world.Of course you'll have to deal with the same thing even if you're with your girlfriend,just smile back and you'll feel very comfortable.
In hotels like Kreschatik where the security is even tighter,an internal service is provided and it will be a little bit more difficult to take a girl in from outside,but don't worry,you're in Ukraine and there's always a solution.
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One more question regards apartments.
Has any one experience with this site?
www.kievconnections.com
They have some great apartments.
Any idea where Baseyna street is?
Some of the marriage girls there are georgous too.
Is it worth joining a site like this to try and the girls there, or is this just a con?
I read the girls on these sites are just there to scam you.
It could be fun though.
Any thoughts?
I shall be there in May.
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TM,
I have just arrived in Kyiv. Details of my travelogue will unfold here over coming days! I was told marriage agencies are hit and miss. If you're here for a while then go for it, but always beware the risks. You could just join one when you're here, at least you then know they exist and where to find them. There's actually a feature on them in the free (english lang) paper I have picked up in my hotel, but not read it yet.
Also, you may be seeing women who ONLY want to MARRY a rich guy and they may not want to pleasure you on first, or even second, night.
In reality there are so many pretty girls on the street I'd advise against and just wander around, and go to bars etc. After 3 hours of wandering, exploring, having late lunch and visiting couple of bars I had lots of positive reaction to smiles, coy looks etc which gives me hopes for the week ahead! So my advice would be go with the flow. If things don't come off with the normal girls you can always call an escort then, or visit River Palace!
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TM,
I am actually wondering the same. It seems like someone out there must know of a site that is real? I wouldn't mind meeting a regular girl when I head over in October because I am assuming it is easy to find girls for hire.
Also, I am planning to go through Prague and Berlin as well and was curious which has the best clubs to meet girls and which is the best in terms of women for hire?
Thanks in advance!
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It's completely nonsense to try out marriage sites while you're in Kiev even though they might be real.
Rather you can rely on free sites like date.com,imatchup.com and loveme.ru which will enable you opportunities throughout eastern Europe as well as Kiev.
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Thanks for the replies.
Vegamars:
Please explain why it is nonsense to try them?
I was thinking it might just be fun. A lot of the girls seem to have fairly good jobs, so it could be interesting in itself.
As long as you don't start spending too much money on them.
Also I was thinking if you chat with them before you arrive in Kiev, you also have a local contact or two.
Is any one in Kiev from May 23?
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To help translate the dating sites from russian to englishi use
http://babelfish.altavista.com
Its good. I advise to use it.
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Of course the site’s no good for Ukrainian, but everyone in Kyiv speaks Russian too, so start your writing in that and you’ll be fine.
You may though have problems with replies in Russian, because it could be nonsense by the time it arrives in your in-box. You may have to fiddle around with the language settings, but good luck.
TRAVELOGUE – KYIV:
DAY ONE, arrived safely in Kyiv, and our party was met at the airport and driven in to the centre where we would meet the rest of our group for the week. The road from the airport is straight and soulless. Uninteresting in the extreme. Woodland is all you can see for miles as your driver tries to avoid the potholes on the motorway.
Checked into Hotel (Dnipro). Checked out all entrances and exits, vantage points from the bar etc. My main problem this week potentially being colleagues drinking far too late at the bar and hampering my attempts to bring girls past them to my room!
Managed to get a copy of Kyiv Post with the lead story about the US Deputy Sec of State in town – maybe that’s why the hotel was packed out.
My room’s very basic for a 4-star. Single bed (disaster), but slightly larger than many single beds, more like 1.5 bed size! No way is this worth the money my company’s being charged, but my contact here tells me it’s definitely girl-friendly, so that’ll do for me!
We all have to do down to bar to meet other colleagues, Ukrainian too, even though this is the bloody weekend. Excellent news, they’re going out for a meal. I offer to be a martyr! I have far too much work to do, and anyway I’m kinda beat. Maybe I’ll just have room service and catch up with them later, I want to get my work done first!
Result – everyone else goes out! This gives me at least an hour to organize an arrival to my 7th floor room! Why is there no 3rd floor – haven’t figured that out! Word of warning – like many “top” hotels you need a key-card to operate the lift when on public access floors, therefore a girl coming to your room unaccompanied is impossible.
So to the Kyiv Post. Section two has a sort of what’s on “night and day” supplement. About 10 small picture ads in the back and 6-7 unpictured classifieds. First problem, calling the bloody number. Finally got it to work, by dialing +380 (the whole country code) and then dropping the first 8-0 on the mobile numbers. For local landline numbers it requires dialing 8044 before the number. Got through to one who charges $50/hour and $100/2 hours. Was told this is standard. Asked if possible for a selection of girls to be sent and I would pick one. Agency didn’t understand this, so I gave up to try one of the others. Rang ad no.2 and it obviously went through to the same woman, so I tried again – same prices, same lack of help.
Tried one of the smaller classifieds, same price and only single woman, who said she was 27, but I worry when a WG says that she may mean 35, so went back to the glossy pictures. Dialled one with a mobile instead of Kyiv number, same price, would only send one girl, but guaranteed she would be able to speak English, be 18-21 and blonde. Said I’d ring back in 5 minutes. Gave one last go to Kiev local number, same woman as before answered and her English had improved enough to shout “f*ck off and die dirty f*cking bas*ard” which is not the best customer service line I’ve heard!
So back to the offer of 18-21 y o. She’d be with me in 30 minutes. I sort of allowed 45 minutes and as I’d already wasted 15-20 minutes thought I’d be pretty well guaranteed none of my party returning when I went to meet her.
I assumed she’d ring on her mobile when close, but oh no! Got a call from her in the reception, which meant me having to go down in full glare as she stood between the security guard, concierge and even the bloody shoe-shine colored guy! Immense problems; I had to come out of lift trying not to make eye contact, quickly move left towards the bar, check the coast was clear, do the same with the reception seating area, which necessitated walking right past the 3-blokes and the girl all looking at me quizzically. Then, less than discreetly, nodded at the girl whereupon the security guy blurted out “Room 704?”
Off we went to the sanctuary of the room and the doors wouldn’t shut soon enough on the lift!! She was as promised, blonde, 19yo student, and slim, but not pencil slim. Nastya was about a 7, and I handed over my $50, fairly happy, but a touch disappointed somehow a supermodel straight outta those websites didn’t appear! Anyhow an hour of fun to welcome me to Ukraine. Both showered. She performed remarkably well. OWOTC, sex multi-positioned! No anal though, and not keen when my finger went a roving and knocking at the back door!
3 sessions in the hour, and 5 minute overrun, but she was fine about it. And off she went. Hastily made a few notes to convince my colleagues I had been working and met them after another shower. Now about 3 hours in Ukraine and I’d had 3 showers already!!
Went to meet them in a bar on Kreschatyk, the name of which escapes me, but about 6 blocks up. Was advised to take a taxi, but stuff that. Great time walking up, smiling at girls. Especially in the subway, and I even went into one of the metro stations to take a look before having to use it. Buskers, flower sellers, people just dawdling, conversing, and all the girls happy for you to smile – looking foreign is sometimes great!
Had the drinks, ravenously hungry, so got a snack, saying the rooms service wasn’t very good (I couldn’t reveal the only dining I’d done was at the Y!!).
Actually I subsequently found out the food in Dnipro was the best thing about the hotel!
Dreaded coming back with colleagues into hotel infront of the grinning gang of three at the door, so suggested we stay out for more drinks, and that thinned the crowd down a little. We went to Planeta Sport on a road off Kreschatyk, near the main department store, and then wandered back and visited Dino’s, opposite Dnipro Hotel. Planeta had three tables of girls and we got talking (well I did) after much eye contact to two tables. First ones were leaving but got a mobile number, second ones were up for a giggle and we bought them drinks but experience told me that was all, and as they left I thought abut trying for 3rd lot, but they were readying to leave too. Looked crestfallen as I saw closer, just how good they were, slightly older at about 24-26 (I was youngest of our table at 33). Raised an eyebrow designed to say “How could you be leaving now”, one delicious blonde shrugged her shoulders apologetically and laughed; great smile! Leaned across and spontaneously grabbed her arm. Understand I never normally conceive of doing that, nerves, and expectation of a slap in the mush usually stop me, but here it’s fine, apparently. My mates were stunned, so was I when she said maybe tomorrow. I got her mobile, and promising SMSs and dreaming of a whole night of passion, we parted – well she was probably dreaming of a whole night of JD & coke and foreign cuisine, but hey let’s not spoil the image.
Dino’s is down a little alleyway and then down some steps to the bar area with some appalling live singer when we were there. Restaurant to the left, and strip club to right. 20 UAH ($4) entry, beer about $3 as I remember, or cheaper for local stuff. Girls go topless only – they then come closer for private table dance, but again topless only and expect a healthy tip (50UAH) for their gyrations. One girl was good looking, dk hair, others medium to poor. After 2 rounds and with me completely knackered we called time – I didn’t have the energy to go out again, or order in again, though I was anxious to discover River Palace in particular. I also had an email from Model Diana before I left with her number, again $100 for 2 hours. Found her on a website with genuine pictures and she’s a good standby if I don’t strike lucky with “Planeta Katerina.” Then to bed…alone!
I can tell you day two was exciting too, but you’ll have to wait until the next free time I get for me to detail all that! If you guys prefer me to leave out the travelogue/non sex info then just say, and I’ll adapt my style according to the wishes of the board!
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Cracking report...... "grinning gang of three"... nice one... I guess we've all had something like that... the better hotels do act with a bit more decorum though.... keep it coming!
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Hi Guys,
What will the non-pro/student scene be like April 9-12 - easter? Will Kiev be busy or are most of the students away on holidays or visiting family?
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Most students will return home if they are only studying in Kyiv.
I have had this discussion with many. However, although Easter is big festival, so many pretty things live in this city of nearly 3m that they've got to go out somewhere - good luck.
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Day 2
A really hard day at work. Knackered before the hobby begins!!
Enjoyed meal at an old, traditionally Ukrainian place in town. It’s very well known, but alas, I didn’t get a copy of the receipt, and I cannot for the life of me remember its name. Kyiv dwellers on the board will help me out I’m sure. Different areas of the restaurant are decorated in varying styles depicting different lifestyles in Ukraine. Very busy, and very nice too. The waitresses wore low cut traditional-style dresses, with pushed-up boobs, but they’d obviously had far too many drunken westerners making lewd comments over the years, as they ALL seemed impervious to my gallant smiles and desperate attempts at Russian to impress them!
So, about 11 when we got back to the hotel, and I declined the offer of drinks and headed for my room. Aware there was likely to be a small posse at the bar I planned my escape with due diligence. My advance planning proved worth it. I used the time in my room to gather my research (printed off from WSG), changed clothes, added a touch more after-shave and set off for some fun.
The bar in Dnipro is open plan, but it is to the left, and around one corner. As long as no-one was coming towards the lifts at the same time I should be ok. Best to head towards the reception as one crossed the “danger line” of sight, which is only probably 4 metres and from the bar one would have to have eagle eyes! If caught/seen I would be asking reception for a map/access to the internet or something not delivered to my room such as soap, bottled water, which appear to arrive by random when the maid makes the room. So far each has been forgotten once.
I walked briskly at 135 degree angle towards reception, then glanced bar-wards. My group was safely gossiping on low couches on the far side. I moved back towards the main door, exited sharp right to avoid walking in front of the bar, and I was free. The escape plan ‘worked to a T’. So I was forced down Kreshchatyk, not much in the way of opportunity to talk to girls on the street – it was very quiet out there. Went into one bar, but again very quiet. Decided it was either River P, Moda Bar or similar. I wanted a guaranteed shag at a fixed price so thought I’d try for Rest Town instead, which is a 20-min taxi ride away from previous research. I had been told every male in Kyiv knows “Rest Town”. Well, inevitably, after flagging down an unsuspecting driver he did not have a clue. I even spelt it in Cyrillic! Sadly I did not have the address. I explained 15 minutes taxi journey in pigeon Russian, and we fixed a price of UAH20, which I thought was particularly generous as he did not have a clue where he was going! After asking 2 other, genuine, taxi drivers we were on our way. Eventually after 2 U-turns I glimpsed a sign which said Rest Town next right. And that was about the most fun part of the evening.
Let me bring you up to date with important events at Rest Town. Major refurbishment is taking place apparently, which means none of the “free” room-only areas are available for the next couple of weeks. I suspect this might be rubbish and they’re just cashing in by forcing us to go to saunas, which range from $20-$50. This is obviously a minimum of 40% increase on the price of a shag, and considering the agencies’ value and choice I was already beginning to regret the long trip, but at least I had seen it with my own eyes. The girls weren’t great either in the main, which echoes what a few people have said before on this board.
I got talking to one fairly attractive girl at the bar, and amazingly she said she wasn’t available for “room service”! – WTF was she doing there then? In retrospect I think she may only have been touting for all-nighter at a hotel. Got introduced to Marina, a very young, ever so slightly plump, dark haired girl, and fixed a price for her tender young flesh. Then she went awol, telling me she had to dance soon. I checked my anti-perspirant….
Moved on to another girl, a blonde, and at last someone I genuine fancied a bit. She was probably 7.5 and we seemed to be getting on quite well. I was by this time apparently put to the back of the queue for rooms. I assumed I’d booked the room, but no, it’s the girls, so if you “change horse” you start the wait all over again. Each time I was told it was an hour. After another drink and about 45 minutes’ wait, this horrendous half-caste vision, that I was almost sure was a transvestite (I was assured it wasn’t), came over and simply snatched the girl I was with. She reappeared with a group of very drunk German tourists, who were obviously spending bigger bucks, and after another hour the party of 4 girls and 4 guys left together. I was informed it was £200 to take a girl back to my hotel, but as it was already 4am seemed pointless.
I was about to leave, thoroughly hacked off with the place, when a new blonde arrived. Slightly better looking than the previous girl. In short I was back in the queue, and as I’d seen none of the guests leave in the past hour or two I assumed the queue would be down to 30 mins or so by now. Wrong! Another hour estimate. Foolishly I decided to wait. I was conned out of another two cocktails, and a couple of drinks for myself. The hour became 90 minutes. The disco actually closed, at 6am all the lights went off and finally I was allowed through to my sauna room ($20). The girl was just ok. No OWO, not that keen on touching, not passionate in any way. And for all this I paid $50+$20+entry+numerous drinks. Approx $120 total I believe. Plus a few Hryvnias for taxis – and it’s more expensive back at 7am I can tell you, but only 35 even then! Imagine what I could have done in the comfort of my own room, for how long, or even with two girls, together or separate, and enjoyed the game of dodge the colleagues and security/shoe cleaners! A waste of a precious night in Ukraine. Please boys, learn from my mistake – it may have a reputation, but it’s not great, it’s not value. I have since learned about real value on the P4P scene, and that will follow in my next instalments. I realize I am getting way behind, but it’s difficult trying to work, play and keep a log, and write it up – forgive me!!
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Hiya Knight,
Why do you feel obliged to do these things covertly? It is sort of expected for foreign businessmen to have "local GFs" in these countries. And they already know about it, so you only go down in their esteem behaving like that, if their esteem is of any value to you.
Just behave as if you don't give a damn what they think and that you own the lot and you will get much more respect that way, for sure.
I happen to know several married executives who travel around the world for conventions and they fly in their GFs from Russia to provide for after hours relaxation, openly dine with them, shop with them, let them stay in their hotelrooms, all paid for by the company and organisation.
If you don't like the hassle of looking out for talents in local bars, agencies, etc... and like the GFE which Russian/Ukrainian girls are famous for, just offer a girl you like to stay with you for the duration of your stay. THen that girl will be your guide, guard and lover. And if you still so desire, you could get that girl to help you to look for other talents.
You are alone in that city, don't have a real friend to help you out, so that is in my opinion the best approach. It might even be cheaper if you look at what you pay and what you actually get as enjoyment in return.
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These business groups who work for 24hrs have become very interesting and worth inspecting for Kiev--I have not been able to accomplish to work for more than an hour per day so far in such an atmosphere.
It's very true that all kind of GFE you can expect here must be based on money,there can be no other way,no possibility,not even a chance in a million.I'm really enlightened now after a long-time-exchange of experiences and ideas.I guess I was in a dream all the time and I appreciate all those who have driven me back to the reality of all-the-same-out-of-world CIS countries.
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E - I only feel obliged to be covert because of my colleagues. My position in the company would be jeopardised if I was 'caught'. I have no fear, per se, of security, doormen etc. However my fear is rational that they may talk, or make it obvious to colleagues of my nocturnal activities and preferences. I am actually appreciative of my position and ability to have sex with some wonderful girls around the world.
Hope you understand!
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Day 3 – Quiet day. Lack of sleep from previous night caused havoc with my ability to concentrate. After the obligatory post-work drink I went and crashed out in my room for a few hours. Woke up, ordered room service, and ordered room service of another kind from Diana. Arranged for her to SMS me when she was coming out of the metro and I would meet her by the underpass outside the hotel.
Both dishes were highly satisfactory! All services offered I think, and while slightly older (by a year or two) than I imagined, she performs with great enthusiasm. Great body, good face. BBBJ very good. Anal probably available, but didn’t get round to it – not really a back-doors connoisseur. $100 for 2 hours. Saw herself out after a shower, and I crashed out for the rest of the night, and felt surprisingly good for the next day’s work.
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Day 4 – all I can say at the end of Day 4 is Yulia, Yulia, Yulia! What a gal!
Post dinner I ventured into the Millennium strip bar, attached to Dnipro Hotel. I called a couple of the contacts I met previously (including the lovely Katerina), but it was too late to realistically expect them to drop everything and come running to me. I rang on the off chance they were out anyway, but early in the week that was unlikely, so fixed up a date for tomorrow with two girls. Separately. One at 6pm for dinner, one at 9pm for drinks. If the first is so hot I may have to SMS a cancellation but I’d rather have two birds in the bush for now.
Back to today, and paying (for Kyiv) an exhorbitant 100 UAH (I think from memory, though one of my colleagues actually paid) entrance to Millennium. The place was empty. We had a nice cold beer at an ok price, and good seats for the action. The strippers here were pretty hot; a couple of 5s, but mostly 8s and a couple of 9s and one ten.
A couple of the less attractive dancers tried to get us to buy them drinks and/or private dances. We were having none of that, just enjoying the floor show. Sadly, no fully nude striptease here. There were probably about 15 strippers, with 3 on view at any one time. One centre stage actually stripping and two dancing in separate “booths” nearby. When the record ended they all moved on one position, so the stripper left the stage and the girl in the second “booth” replaced her.
Went to the bar to order another round and happened to see Yulia, a stunning vision. 19 years old, dark hair, a complete model, beautiful lithe figure. Asked her when she finished and she said soon! Told her it was crap in Millennium apart from her, and asked for suggestion where to go. She smiled and said she was probably going to River Palace with a couple of other dancers, and apparently not wanting to be caught talking to me whispered she must go now.
Pretty soon out group left the club and returned to the main hotel. I told no-one of my chance encounter with Yulia. I soon left the hotel and went out, flagged down a taxi and headed for River Palace. Met a great guy called Victor, the cab driver, who had lived in London for a while and later on we met a couple of times during my stay in Kyiv. I offered to pay Victor into RP, which at 30UAH was hardly breaking the bank. The place is just one of those sights you have to see. Similar to better known Nightflight in Moscow, except here the girls do not approach you, making it even more like a traditional ‘disco’. Wanted to test the water, and the strength of the dollar, and was quoted £200 by first girl, who quickly came down to $150. The second girl Vic and I spoke to was a real small cutie, but her opening bid was $300. She would not come down either despite a fairly good chat. I think she sussed that the club was pretty full and as a classy girl she had a fair chance of poaching a fool, who would be easily parted with his money, so no need to cut her price at 1.30am or whatever time it was.
Soon afterwards, Yulia arrived. She lit the place up and I was very excited to see her, as was Victor, who agreed with my description. So now I knew she really was “available” but at what price? We had a quick chat, but introductions etc, but nothing more at this stage. I suggested she go dance and see what was on offer, taking the gamble she would not get an instant irresistible offer. It was a gamble too – suffice to say not many girls have me drooling at my age.
After about 15 minutes she came to sit back down and we rejoined her and a friend. Vic pretended to be English, and refused to speak Russian or Ukrainian. He says he gets more respect and better service that way, and also he can listen in covertly to “private” conversations methinks! While I went for a call of nature I am pretty sure Vic was negotiating prices, because I sensed a slightly different atmosphere upon my return. Fast forward to 3am. Vic said we were leaving. At my protests he said Yulia would join us by the exit. I wasn’t sure if her was telling the truth, or if Yulia had spun him a yarn, or if he’d fixed a price simply for him! Yulia duly turned up 2 minutes later, alone. Vic got his mate down with the car and off we went to Dnipro, which may not have been the brightest move on my part, but I had a good feeling about Vic and all worked out well. We ordered the bar to be reopened. We drank, talked, bizarrely with Andrei acting as translator for Vic! The subject of cash was broached. Vic asked for a price for me and him to take Yulia. $300. $200 for one of us. I was a little uneasy about the thought of a 3-some with two people I’d met hours earlier, so discreetly made my take-it-or-leave it offer to Yulia of $100 for me only. She definitely wanted to, but was anxious the others didn’t know the price. At 4am we got to my room, saying goodbyes to Andrei and Victor.
Without doubt Yulia is the most attractive beauty I have ever had the pleasure of. Her beauty was internal as well as external. We agreed 2 hours, but she stayed until 8am, making me late. ALL services!! Started with mutual oral, natch without latex! Boy was she wet, and surprisingly loud too when she came. Then quick drink, and back to it. She tried to mount me without a condom; ridiculously tempting though it was, feeling her pussy slide nakedly over my cock, good sense prevailed and I managed to grab the ‘preservatif’!
The next 3 hours just repeated the first hour, and bless her, she seemed to forget to ask for the money, and then was acutely embarrassed saying “I don’t need it”. She took it upon my insistence. If I was young free and single I could easily have packed her up in my suitcase and brought her home. Yulia said she goes to RP about 2-3 times a week, and hits with a rich guy once every 2-3 weeks at $300 which means with her income from Millennium she has no need to work more often. I had phone number from earlier, but realized later I messed up putting it in my phone. Anyhow I arranged to meet her in 2 days at Millennium, or in RP, and she promised not to get a guy before I arrived. I was f**ked in every sense of the word as I rushed down to breakfast, but smiling all over!! Highly recommend you all spend the stupid entrance fee at Millennium, hope she is working, and then check her out at RP later. She said it was first time ever she agreed $100, but I am no Adonis, so with patience you should be able to match the price, even for the (IMHO) best looking girl in Kyiv. I took a sneaky snap on my camera phone which I got just before the trip. It’s not very flattering, and not great quality – it is my only pic, and I will try to upload it when I return home if I can figure out how it’s possible!
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Knight,
Easiest way to upload pics from a Phone with the ability (without having to buy expensive connection or bluetooth software) is to send the picture as a "picture message" to yourself via your email address.
I have a Sony Ericsson Z600 and it works a treat and the pic arrives in jpg format.
Good luck.
ST
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Day 5
Not much of interest to read in the P4P scene. I was absolutely exhausted after the nocturnal exertions that morning!
Got the afternoon off as our company work wound up early. Had a quick touristy look round the city. Andriyski and especially St.Sophia both well worth spending time around. Loads of street traders selling a mixture of tat, decent art work and football shirts on cobbled road up to St.Andrew’s Church, and beyond towards the cathedral. Bulgakov house and a museum up there, but everything was closed. It is just 1 Hryvnya to enter the grounds of the cathedral, which is almost offensively cheap. Barely more to go inside St.Sophia. Did the other usual tourist things around that area too, then walked back to hotel.
Went back to my room for a planned sleep. Rang Katerina and arranged to meet for a meal at 8pm. She was quite keen to meet me at the hotel, but in view of the comings and goings I couldn’t stand the thought of being seen with another girl, and she may pick up the wrong vibes too!
Overslept, hurriedly showered and dressed, and ran down the road to the Italian she had selected to go to. I ask you, I take Ukrainian girl out and she wants to eat Italian!! Anyway, Stradivari was close to hotel, and pretty decent. Saw another strip bar next door, but thought I’d best not mention that in our dinner conversation!
We got on really well, then she insisted on going down to Podil for a drink in the student area, near metro Kontractova. I wanted to do other things, but didn’t want to scare her off. Eventually got her back to hotel, which took some convincing. She seemed nervous so took her to the bar. Only two hotel hookers and 3 businessmen were in the bar. For info, the hotel hookers were of poor quality. One was blonde, late 20s and at best a 6, the other mid 30s, possibly older, dark hair, and rated a 4 on my scale. Think I mentioned in an earlier post she wanted $200, and anyone paying that would also be advised to ensure it was for the full night, as the guys I work with say they saw her reappear after an hour one night, after disappearing into a lift with a Japanese gentleman!
Kat and I chatted, and she relaxed more. My hands started roving on the comfortable sofa and she responded quite well. I whispered “come to my room”, and firmly pulled her to her feet, and without looking back, led her by the arm to the lifts. She did not resist, much to my immense relief. She was clearly inexperienced, but this was a great turn on for me. I had to more or less tell her what to do! She had never had a man go down on her, and screamed with delight! Once I’d done this she had to return the compliment, and after I’d literally put my dick in her mouth she performed very well. I stopped her using her hands. Anyway we played around for a couple of hours, maybe three. I was too much of a gent to try the back doors on our first date, and I was feeling physically and mentally tired, so we showered and then went down to the reception where I negotiated with a proper taxi and got a decent rate to see her home, 20 UAH. Promised to ring her tomorrow. Good example of how easy it is to bed a very pretty, young Ukrainian girl for an average western guy. Marvellous!
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Has anyone tried Yana from Gia? Let me know your opinion.
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The Knight,
I've been following your story with interest, although you dont actually say where you met this Katerina girl. Is she the one who's arm you grabbed in the restaurant or just another girl you chatted to somewhere. I'm hopefully going to be visiting a friend (female) in the summer and dont think mongering activities would be looked upon highly by her although she may accept me chatting up normal girls, so am wondering how easy this is as a foreigner, I'm a young guy so the whole wealthy western businessman appeal wouldnt be there, just the western bit.
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Just leaving Kiev after 5 days here ... the freebie scene is excellent if you know when and where to go. Average salaries here for women are in the $200-300 a month range (a fraction of moscow) so why bother with p4p. Had a lot of fun and filth with some very attractive birds. Fotos and full details will follow when I have time to digest it all.
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Inostranets, do yourself a favour when you are here. Lie thru your teeth. Tell them you are a wealthy western businessman. You will get away with it cause nothing is expensive. Bring smart clothes, a suit without a tie works very well. I also advise telling them you have just arrived and are here for a year ... then they will want to be your girlfriend
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Inostranets,
RM gives good advice. Tell them you're leaving in 5 days and you will struggle more, though Katerina saw my airport ticket in my room and wasn't fazed. I also said this was my first visit as a "reccy", and that I was coming back.
To everyone who's PMd me, Kat was indeed the stunner whose arm I grabbed earlier in the week. I had been due to meet her at 9pm, but brought it forward when I got SMS from Natasha telling me she couldn't make the 6pm rendezvous. That allowed me the sleep!
More to follow, I am now back home, but I will complete the journal, and thanks for the positive PMs - seems most of you like the added detail about the city too!
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I made the basic schoolboy error of telling them I was there for 5 days and still did well with locals, but there were several occasions when some girls lost interest when I said I was in town olny for 5 days. I blew some good chances before realising I should have said I was here for 3 months or more.
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OK .. the Kiev report (abridged):
Arrived in Kiev with my usual wingman. Actually he got there a few hours earlier since I was trying to get there from Bucharest which involved a long transfer in Prague. The apartment was a big place, 2 big bedrooms, a sauna and a huge jacuzzi and we paid up for it. $150 a night. But it was right in the middle of Kiev and an impressive place to take birds.
The first night (Friday) we met up with two 20 year olds that I had lined up dates with via the magic of the internet. Mine was a absolute stunner. My mate's was cute and slim, but spoiled it with terrible teeth. Went to a place called the Da Vinci Fish Bar. I flash looking place, and not cheap by usually cheap Kiev standards, it was a bit sterile and totally lacked atmosphere. That and my mates non-knowledge of Russian and his dates non-knowledge of english killed the date pretty quickly. We probably should have gone on separate dates. So about 11pm we split with the girls and went out to explore nocturnal Kiev. The boat based Modabar was full and had plenty of eye candy. We sat down upstairs and started chatting to two 21 year olds in miniskirts. After 15 minutes we finally clicked that they are working girls. We felt pretty stupid but checked the price, which was $200 for the night. We literally laughed in their faces. Surely its insulting when you tell a guy what you are after and he laughs in your face. We checked out a couple more bars most of which had plenty of cute girls, but we didnt end up getting lucky that night.
The second night was a much better night. My mate went to chat up birds in the Irish pub while I went on another pre-arranged date. The girl was 24, a ballet dancer, about 175cm tall, so her body was about 8.5 while her face was a decent 7. Lets call her "Ksenia". We got on well and after 2 hours of chat over a cheap pizza and a few red wines, she suggested we go for a walk. We walked for 2 more hours before it was time for her bus home (11:30 pm is make or break time in Kiev - soon after that they need taxis). For the last hour or so of the walk there had been ample kissing action and we planned to meet up the following evening. I was knackered after the walk and went home for a rare good sleep.
Sunday night I had my second date with "Ksenia" while my mate had a date with a 22 year old blonde bird he chatted up on the internet before arriving. By 10:30 pm, I had taken "ksenia" back to the apartment and knowing my wingman might return with his date anytime, I suggested we move to the privacy of the bedroom. 20 mins later and she was getting the jolly roger. When we emerged, my mate was on mezzanine level giving his date a workover while waiting for the sauna to heat up. "Ksenia" left at the usual 11:30 deadline while my mate took his into the bedroom for a quickie. A good night for all.
Monday I had a fairly simple night, just getting "Ksenia" to pop in at 6pm after work. We poked, went for dinner, poked again and then she went on her merry way at the usual time. I met my mate down at the Irish bar about 11pm where he had chatted up a couple of 19 year olds. They had to go soon after but we promised them we would meet them again (their request). We headed out to check out River Palace. Not really my scene. But then again the beers were not expensive, so you might as well enjoy the scenery. We checked prices a couple of times and depending on how cute the birds were, opening offers came in at 150 - 300 bucks. Since there was no real motivation to negotiate, we left them.
Tuesday and our last night in Kiev. This we planned to be a big one. I called "Ksenia" and told her we had an early flight the next day and my mate did the same to his shag from 2 nights earlier. They were to be at our apartment by 7pm and would have to go by 9pm. Then we called the 19 year olds from the Irish bar and told them we would meet them there at 10pm.
The regular girls turned up on time and we cut straight to the chase and dragged them into our respective bedrooms. I wanted to get two loads away before 9pm so it was straight into it.
They left on time and by 10pm we were propping up the Irish bar down the street. To our pleasant surprise, the 2 girls had decided to bring along 2 girlfriends, so now we had 4 teenage girls sitting around us in a semicircle with wide eyes. Even better was that the 2 new friends were better looking than the original 2. So we concentrated on the new 2, one 18 the other 19. This began to annoy the original 2. In fact when 11:30 came around, the original 2 (now pretty pissed off) began nagging the new 2 that its time to go home. The new birds didnt want to go, but eventually under pressure of nagging, one cracked and the other had to follow. Close but no cigar. We stayed at the bar another 2 hours before leaving to check out another of our favourite Kiev cocktail bars.
As we were leaving the Irish pub, my wingman fell for his traditional weakness. Those of you who read my Romania posts back in September will recall that on the last night, with a gaggle of fit local birds gagging for it, he went for the low hanging fruit - the female expat. The expatella dilemma is well documented. In eastern europe, all the expat guys have stunning local girlfriends. So who do single expat women date, sleep with etc ... answer is that since they dont want to sleep with local guys, and expat guys have great looking teenage local girlfriends, they sleep with no-one. So whenever a new face turns up in town, they have to grab them quickly.
As we left the Irish bar, a female expat suggested sharing a cab. We invited her to the bar we were going to and she said sure she will come along. We walked into the bar about 1:30 am and it was packed with Kievs female teenage finest. All cute, all slutty and all making eyes at us. It was heaven. So my mate starts kissing the plainest bird in the bar, the expatella. I sat next to a uber **** at the bar. We chatted for 20 minutes before she asked me how long I was in Kiev. Remembering mistakes made earlier in the visit, I told her 3 months to a year. Her eyes lit up. She was 26, was recently divorced from a german guy, was living in germany and misses the western life. She was determined to get it back. As soon as I said 3 months to a year she suggested going back to my apartment. I wasnt about to waste more time on my last night, so off we went. She shagged like she was trying to win a new boyfriend and her life depended on it. She was pure filth. I booted her out about 5am.
My mate turned up at 9am with a grin on his face. His expatella hadnt had a shag in a year and obviously was gagging for it.
We packed, and went to the airport.
End of Kiev.
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Roger Mille,
please advise on website to arrange with locals before heading to Ukraine?
Thanks
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Roger - great report- much needed on the amature side of things as it's much more exciting then always paying for it. Did you get any pictures that you will be posting that way we can the see the quality for ourselves ??
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Roger -
Loved your report - great style. It seems like the non-pro scene is very viable from the sound of your report - just have to have a mind-set that it's what you are going to pursue.
Do a lot of the teenage or early 20's girls you talked with speak English now? I know it's being studied more and more in the schools of E. Europe with many of the countries making it mandatory. Is the "new generation" in Kiev showing a more regular knowledge of the English language? It sounded like your buddy did pretty well without any Russian knowledge.
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The higher the quality of a girl the higher the chance that she'll speak basic English,with no exceptions of good English for top quality
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I forgot to add, my non-russian speaking buddy also had a absolute knockout date - I think it was Saturday night, with a 19 year old who was a swimsuit sports illustrated cover girl if ever there was one. She spoke perfect english too. But her never landed her.
My wingman and I do very well in London too I might add. Its not really a case of 2 average looking guys doing very well in Ukraine. We both are very well off, young and pretty decent looking. I dont want to raise the hopes and expectations of people unnecessarily. If you want to nail a good looking bird, particularly within a night or two, you still have to have something to offer. but if you are young, have plenty of cash, dress well, and are better than average looking, then you can have a truly wild time there in a short space of time.
My understanding is that if you actually are there for a long time - like a year - then you dont have to be that young or good looking, but to fly in, score multiple times and fly out, it sure helps to have some value to add to the girls.
As for the best websites and bars that I used, I apologise to the dozens who have PMd me about it, but you have to do some research yourselves.
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Jak, as vegamars pointed out, any young girl who thinks she has any sort of future speaks english. I would point out though that they love it if you make a bit of effort to "po russki".
I should get a few edited pics up, but I am still in Eastern Europe. When I get the chance to edit the pics, I will get them up. Might be 10 days though.
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Day 6
I felt really good today after the initiation ritual I had put Kat through!
Today was a day of meetings with clients, hand-shakings etc. It meant I was well fed, and the Taras restaurant in Shevchenko park is recommended by this writer.
But you really want to hear about the sweet course I guess…
I had somehow collected about 6 mobile phone numbers from non-pros during my 6 days, and I was having trouble remembering who was who. Just writing down names of people you’ve met for a few seconds in some instances isn’t a great idea. I then tried to catalogue them with the place I’d met them and when, and a crucial mark out of 10!
By the process of elimination I worked out that there was one girl I’d met on the first venture into the streets of Kyiv who was a 7 whom I had not contacted (poked) yet and who I would quite like a crack at (pun intended!)
However my loins were also itching (in a nice way) for Yulia and I also fancied educating Kat some more. I am a sucker for fresh talent, so called Sasha from Planeta Sport – I thought Sasha was only a guy’s name, but apparently not. Being back and free early I though I may even be able to manage a session with all three in the same night, but in hindsight that was wishful thinking. Sasha was in lessons until 9pm she said, so we arranged to meet at 9 in Planeta Sport where it all began. Not being able to contact Yulia because of problems with her phone, I planned on trying to get to see her at Millennium, or possibly River Palace. That left Kat, and me with 4 hours free, even after a quick power nap to set me up for the evening.
Kat did not answer her phone, but sent me SMS shortly afterwards. We met up at 6.30 which made things a bit more rushed. Kat was noticeably more friendly in public, and wanted to hold my hand, a sure fire sign that she had “bagged” a western boyfriend. She was hungry, which again threw my plans into chaos, as I’d already eaten. I suggested room service, but that idea was blown out as we happened to be near a restaurant she liked – how could I refuse! At about 7.45 we were leaving the restaurant and I told her I was really tired and needed a good night’s sleep before my final day I Kyiv and early flight home the day after. This was of course complete bollocks. I suggested we “say goodbye” at my hotel, and started flagging down a taxi. She again seemed reluctant, but my soothing words of “we’ll see each other again in a month or so” must have worked. Straight back to room and she started immediately undressing to get a shower. I told her I’d join her in a moment and sent SMS to Sasha to delay my arrival by 30 minutes. Fantastic shower action got me very worked up and I was soon relieved with a fantastic BBBJ while water cascaded over me. At 9.30 I kicked her out (I’d been trying to hurry her up since 9), and got showered again, changed clothes again and hoped she was not waiting in the reception as I made my way to Planeta Sport. Being 30 minutes later than a rearranged delayed meeting time isn’t the best way to impress a girl, but thankfully Sasha forgave me. Me buying the drinks probably helped. She also had a very cute friend with her, but just my luck as I arrived she had her own date to go on. When I saw them together I was well up for a 2-girl romp. My girl was 19, dark hair, quite short, face was pretty good, and she had a very sexy smile and flirtatious nature which was what drew me towards her a week ago.
Cut to the chase here – she took a lot of talking to, a lot of encouraging, and I span the yarn about being her for another week and then coming back at start of May. Having the same fall-back story helps when you’re meeting various dyevs!!
She wanted to go dancing, but I asked her to show me her moves in my hotel room. We got back there at midnight, and had a very exhausting two hours before she had to leave – she had a Saturday job to be up early for! She was clearly more experienced than Kat and seemed intent on pleasuring me and not expecting much in return. Sasha was ecstatic with my DATY skills, and not for the first time I heard that Ukrainian men don’t take time to pleasure their women. She gave me a fantastic rimming session too before insisting on a shower – my skin must be like an old boot by now! When I shouted “suck me” in Russian she slapped me and said that’s rude! She made me say “please go down on me” – of course I obliged and so did she! So at 2.07am she left and I was spent!
One more day to go, my only regret not being able to meet Yulia again. That was my final day challenge.
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I second Knights recommmendation of restaurant Taras. They do great Ukrainian food and ridiculously cheap prices. Try their Ukrainian borsch, and their Golubtsi.
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Just to rectify a little confusion-the interest of Ukrainian girls in westerners(actually their interest for guys from the south is more obvious) can't be explained merely by support of money or the seek of a good life.Life in big cities and Kiev is much better than it's in Europe or the States on many aspects and there's an incredible number of rich guys out there,but naturally these guys are more interested in western European women and what's more they're just not aware of how to praise the value of their own treasure(what a pity??)
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Hy guys!
I'm new at this forum and as I'm planning a sex tour to kiev I would ask if someone knows a cheap flight from north Italy (bologna,Milan) to Kiev.
Thanks a lot
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Hey Roger,
Thanks for the report !!
Could you tell me how to go about getting an apartment in Kiev. me and a buddy will be there for a week in june.
thanks in advance.
VoodoDick
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VD
Try:
http://www.apartments.kiev.ua/
http://apartments.com.ua
http://www.uaapartments.com/
http://www.alserent.kiev.ua/index.htm
http://www.kievapartment.com/
Book online, usually you have to give a small credit card deposit.
I really wanted this place but it was booked when I tried. It has a jacuzzi in the living room! Get a couple of chicks home and get them in the tub, while your wing man mans the video camera from the sofa, beer in hand. http://www.alserent.kiev.ua/f_4k/f_40/f_bo.htm
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Milan - Kiev flight. One cheap possibility is taking Aeroflot from Milan through Moscow to Kiev.
You would have to deal with the Russian transit visa issue, though.
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Take a train to Geneva, then fly non-stop to KBP and start the reactor. Free Mars!
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Gentlemen,
This is Enrico from Holland sneaking in.
A minor introduction
I have been "silently" following this Kiev forum for quite a while, and I must say I am both impressed by the abundancy of useful info and the literary quality of some of it
Ok, to the point. I will fly to Kiev next week: April 28th for a 12 day holiday. I booked my appt, at http: //www. ukr-apartments. kiev. ua/, and as kind of inside information I can tell you that the competetion between the brokers is quite stiff. They find it hard to get customers, it says" Discounts is possible if you stay more than 7 days ", on this particular site. If your offer is 50% you should be able to agree on 2/3 of the mentioned price.
On the internet I picked up nice contacts with non- pros'. If you speak russian, there's loads of local dating sites.
Girls do speak english, but as has been stated before: it's almost impossible to point out what to do and where to look. An alternative may be www. matchdoctor. com, totally free, and in english.
Needless to say that I will try to give you ample information on the K. T. O. (Kiev theatre of operation): -))
Whether that will be a day to day update as The Knight's reports, remains to be seen as, I have no laptop.
I hope to show up with pics, but that will be after I return.
If you need some translaton from english into russian, just drop a line and I'll see what I can do for you. That's on voluntary basis. I had a russian gf. and I still sudy the language.
That's it for today
Greetz,
Poka
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her555 reports:
4\21\04. kiev
hi all, and thanks for everyone for your tips.
special thanks for theknight and for roger mellie, for you'r good report's, we leren from you'r experience, and excellent advice.
so, i thought i would report also my trip from last marct.
i made a trip to kiev. for tow day's, and even i am a businessman, my pherpes for this trip was only for sex, and it was a wonderful trip with a beautiful women. i have ther a grat time, the best for me, so far. so i will repay you with a report.
i arrived in the borispol airport about 1:00 pm, come out from the airport, find a texi, the driver speek's english, and i ask hime to go to the dnipr hotel.
i ask the driver if he can give me some info. for sex girl's in kive, he enser me, "thet is not my joeb" "i am only a texi cab driver". but when we come neer at the dnipr hotel, the driver help me to took my looging to my room wite the door-man, and the driver told me the door-man from dnipr hotel will help me wite a girl.
the hotel give me a room, i most say thet this was not my first time in the dnipr hotel, but it was my first time to have a small room, the cost was 85 usa$, but it was very cool in the room, i go down to esk for some heat in my room, but it do not help me, the sed the will give heat, but i do not fill any heat, (but anyway the love'ly girl's worem me up like a hot potato!).
after i make my self comftibule in my room, it was about 5:00 pm, i went dowe to the door-man, and ask if he can get me a girl, he ask me my room numbur, and told me a girl will call me soon, in the next half hour a girl call me, named "katerina", and told me she will be available later at night at 9:00 pm. but i can not wait until then, so i told her i will call her back tomoroy, if i will need her.
called "gia international agency" at the number +38 067 393 27 27, pickt a girl,named nika, the price is 90$ usd for 1 hour, and 110$ usd for 2 hour. she come to the hotel lase dane one hoer, the agency asked me to come downstairs outside the hotel, to bring the girl in my room. there was no reaction of the security when i was walking. i walk with nika right to the elevators and up to my room.
now, she spoke not very good english only limited english, but i can understand, the picture on the website is accurate, she is blond, and wow... gorgeous, she was so friendly from the first minut on she come in my room, i geve her some eat and drink.
she start to talk to me so good, she told me she love to talk to americans. we talk for abut 1 hoer from evryting, business, family, her work and her living in kive, from the politic from the usa, from president george w. bush (who ilke because success against al-qaida and the war on terror). from president kutsmo from ukraine, the wer in iraq, ect, ect. i meke my self comfortable, and we get to "reel business".
she started by giving me a back message, then a really bbbj, she was extremely hot, she workerd me with her tits and pussy, she allowed me to french kiss her all over, from her mouth, to her lovly brest and grat nippls, from her tite pussy, to her beutiful ass. and she do thet to me beck, she kiss me wite joicy kisses all over. i'm sure she has some limits, but i certainly didn't find them, she was willing to do anything for me! she really enjoy the sex, she was excellent in all espect's.
she really wanted to fuck me agin and agin, we have sex 5 hoer's in a ray, onlu one ting: sex, sex and more sex, non stop til about 12:30 am.
i was wite her for 6 hour's, and man ! i have wite her the best sex in my live (and trust me i have alot sex wite alot kind of girl's). i paid 250 us$ for 6 hour. and she go home at 12:00 am.
and because i was surprised froom her frindly sex and love, so i asked her to come over on the second night. at 6 pm.
after i woke up in the morining at 10:00 am, i goo down and eat a good mill for the day, by 3:00 pm i was alive, an agin in the mood for sex, so i go down to the door-man and i ask for a girl, the next half hour the girl named "katerina", call me, and told me she is available now (she told me she is soory from yesterday, she wasn't immediately available)
the door-man bring her to my room, she is nice looking - cute face, blonde, shoulder length wavy hair, very pretty eyes. big nice tits, cute nipples, shaven pussy & nice ass, gave good head ,after having sex wite her first, she let me cum on her cum in mouth cim. second she give me a wonderful bbbj, and fs any position, after the threed time to spritz her wite com, all over her beutifur fase, she was trying to thek more cash out from me, and was making all kinds of generous offers, but i was only in the mood for something quick and simple. i paid her 50 usa $, and it's was nice for something different.
after thet i falt to sleep, and at 6:00 pm the lovly nika wose by my door, i told her i am hungery, so we went down to a restaurant (do not know the neme) the yong lovely nika ask the hotel to serve me food, the food was top quality and delicious, at 8:00 pm we ar beck in the room in the dnipr hotel, and my god.... her is she to stert over wite her grat baddy, and sex for 3 hoer in a row, nika want to do for me anything, not even with a condom, hommmmmm.
the interesting ting now was, doing the sex, and between the sex, because she told me she love to see a movie on the tv, but sinse the movie is in russia language, and i do not understand russia, so she try to explen me evry part of the sexy movie, and she did it very well!
when i met her the first night, i have to say i was so inprest by her looks, and even the second night it was the sam ! she is a very friendly girl and very attractive. we have a wonderful nice time.
the other day in the moring, i most all redy leaving ukraine to go home, i come back to my homeland france \ paris. and from ther to the usa.
my advice would be: if you are looking for a great looking girl, and want a great gfe type experience, then nika from "gia international agency" is qualified. she was realy great. highly recomended!!
so many girls in ukraine, so little time!
happy honting for you.
her555
theknight:
i like your report's, it is a great report.
but because you go to kive with a group, so i tink the best way for you to go with an escort agency.
see my report on this bord on 01\27\04 and thanks agin.
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Night 1,
The one I didnt get: Da Vinci Fish Bar
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Pic 2 - Ksenia
From Nights 2, 3, 4 and 5
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Pic 3 - another Ksenia
dressing after after a poke
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Pic 4, yet another Ksenia pic
still dressing
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Pic 5
This 19 year old was close, on night 5, before getting talked out of it by jealous friends.
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Pic 6
The 2am uber **** at the cocktail bar
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Pic 7
The same uber s l u t , after having shagged as if her life (and future homeland / passport) depended on it.
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Roger Mellie:
All I can say:
Beautiful beautiful beautiful! and WOW. A gorgeous pic.
You have a good test for wome.
Can you gime me the womom's info. ????????
Thanks in advance and all the best.
her555
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Final Chapter
My sincere apologies for the delay in rounding up the trip. Was sent off to Geneva again between whiles.
Anyway, where was I. Ah, yes, the final days.
I slept real good, and only just made breakfast before it shut. The place was nearly deserted! I relived the memories of Kat and Sasha, and planned on meeting Yulia tonight.
Went all around the city doing some tourist things, and enjoying the weekend ambience. Kreschatyk is pedestrianised at the weekend, and just walking up and down is a great way to catch a girl’s eye – but watch out, some extremely young girls were flirting outrageously. I made the mistake of laughing and smiling at the three of them (about 14-15) and they started stalking me, which also hindered my hopes of meeting 18+ dyevs.
Got talking to a couple of girls, but I had plans on my last night, and with already a few numbers in my mobile didn’t feel like starting anew with anyone else. Actually met a thoroughly decent bloke who told me loads about Kyiv and places to go.
After another great meal – cannot now remember where, but it was a simply fantastic steak, as good as any steak I have had back home, and cheap as hell! Got ready for another night out – went up to Millennium in search of Yulia. The doormen wouldn’t let me in without paying, and wouldn’t tell me whether she was working or not. I didn’t fancy wasting an hour or more waiting for all the girls to appear on stage to find out, so made up a story (part true actually) and insisted on seeing the manager. Greased his palm with a dollar note and then he went to find out…..Shit! Yulia was in tomorrow, but I was flying at lunchtime. I decided to go elsewhere and then call back at River Palace in bid to find her.
Much later, upon the recommendation of the guy I met earlier, I went to Club Max, or Club Maximum as it’s also known. I had no idea where this place was – he didn’t describe it well but insisted it wasn’t in the centre and I’d need a cab. I acted like I knew where it was and argued like hell over the 50 UAH I was quoted. I offered 10 initially thinking I was being fleeced. We settled on 25, and believe me it must have been about 20 minutes away, across the river. He did drive quite slow though. The driver seemed a decent sort, but my heart started bloody pounding when he pulled up behind an armed policeman, who was just dealing with a driver (cash looked to be changing hands, but I couldn’t swear to it). Driver simply asked directions, while I pretended to make a cellphone call, avoiding eye contact! I was relieved when we pulled away.
Club Max is quite a plush place on a western-style estate, near some fast food eateries, just off the main arterial – though which arterial I have no idea!! The place features a strip club and a disco, as well as a restaurant I think. Also a handy ATM by the front door! It was about 10.45 now and as disco was not completely full I headed for strip part which was a small charge extra. The main attraction of MAX is that the strip is fully nude. Also the girls were of good quality, some stunning. Matched the efforts of Millennium in quality, and at last a nice long pussy parade! Some girls were only about 6s, but there were clearly three 9s, one may even have been a 9.5
Talking to a very drunken group of Ukrainian guys (who were off duty police I later learned) was probably not the best move I’ve ever made, and I was virtually forced to down numerous vodkas. They started getting pretty lewd and slapping the strippers, so I backed off and went to the disco. The private dances here were very pricey (think it was $20/100UAH), and all you got was a 10-minute session behind curtains, but touching seemed allowed, and a box of tissues was helpfully provided!
In the disco I struck lucky with one girl, and we sneaked into a corner. I had downed too much vodka and brazenly felt her up. She had a nice short skirt on, and in the darkness I managed to slip a finger inside. She rubbed me up and I tried to put her hand down my trousers, but she was too worried by people around. I realized we were being watched, and thought I’d better ease off. Remembered Yulia and stumbled off back into strip club. Had a private dance with the 9/9.5 I saw earlier, and tried to talk her back to my hotel, then offered cash. She wasn’t interested – thought I’d up the ante to see if she could be bought, but at $250 for the night she still wouldn’t budge. Wasn’t prepared to pay that anyway, but thought of you guys who need the research!
Decided to leave and exited the strip club, but at the small bar between strip and disco, saw a very cute dyev. My c*ck led my brain and I tried, and failed, to get into her panties. Cost me two drinks too, and all I got was a little DFK. By now it was 2.30 so I staggered into a taxi outside and bargained him down to 35 for lift back to RP. He refused to believe anyone gave me a lift here for 25.
Upon entering River Palace, my friend Victor was already there. He dropped the bombshell – he was speaking to Yulia earlier. She’d left. He told me she was getting a new mobile tomorrow – what bloody use was that!
So, consoled myself with a look at the girls on offer for my final Ukrainian lay. Not much to be honest. Should’ve guessed - as I entered it was 3am and girls were streaming out. About 15 were left, and 4 separate guys had 2 girls each around them, which left about 7, and all were average.
Got talking to one girl who demanded $150, and came down to $120, but it was far too much considering the time and she was a 6 at best. Having said that I needed a seeing to. A couple of older girls collared me. One was a 5.5, aged about 28, the other a 4 aged about 33. Thought about a 2-girl, but really did not want to go near the other woman, so asked price for girl one, called Ira. She said $100. I offered $50. They were hungry and went down to restaurant, said I’d see her down there, and I went up to casino to consider my options. Amazingly considering my alcohol intake, I won and 30 minutes later the credit card chit was duly ripped up in front of me, and they gave me some nice new notes too!
Saw Ira and ugly friend. As it was now almost 4am, I said my offer was down to $30. Insulting probably, but the ball was in my court – she wasn’t earning money that night if she let me go and I wasn’t that desperate to bed her. She came down to $70, then $60, then $50, and I didn’t have the heart to go any lower. She had a very nice slim figure, was quite tall, but facially only average. Wore a very distinctive white trouser suit, which I imagine is her best clobber and in evidence every time she goes to R.P. She also had a 6 year old son, and unbelievably when I got back to a pc her pic was in my inbox courtesy of some surfing I’d done on a Ukrainian penpals site! Two events were totally unconnected, I won’t be responding to the email!
No worries with dozing security. Back in room she was only ok. Her oral was more like a waterfall. She insisted on stupid amounts of spit and soaked me. Actually took the sensation away so I rubbered up and took her hard from behind. Just before coming I pulled out, ripped off the condom and insisted on CIM. Obliged. Did a couple more rounds pretty quickly, and finally round 4, after first protesting, she allowed anal. Didn’t want to rim me so I settled for my final load in Ukraine being shot in the ass. Probably my worst experience during the trip, but still at $50 I can't complain for BBBJ, CIM and ANAL, four times!
She complained about me not being generous, and I called her greedy. Gave her 30UAH for taxi, and sent her out about 6.30am I guess. Got up a few hours later for breakfast. Went back to bed for another 2 hours, hurriedly packed and said goodbye to a fine country, my real regret not seeing Yulia again. If anyone sees her dancing at Millennium in future, or gets off with her, please PM me!
Hope you enjoyed the tales - now you lot get writing!
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Thanks a lot Roger, Enrico !
Love the apartments. iam sure gonna book the one with the sauna. hope i can bargain with them...lets see !!
I will be in kiev in the first week of june, if you guys are around let me know. I owe you a drink !!
lets just hope i get some good pussy to go with the place :-))
thanks again topgun's
VoodoDick
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Roger M:
Is that Alserent a good company?
I was going to book with Kievconnections, but now the guy is saying that the landlords will not book only 9 days until about a week before!!
Is there any where on the web where I can find a map with all the good places you guys mention?
This Cyrillic stuff is doing my head in!
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TravelMen,
I used alserent for a place when I was in Kiev in December and I thought they were excellent and completely trustworthy. A really nice couple who couldn't do enough to make sure I had a good stay. They organised everything with the flat on only around 3 days notice, and the appartment was exactly as on their website, so my experience is that their photos are 100% genuine.
Neither speaks particularly good English, but they reply promptly to all emails using a translation site and they have a friend who speaks excellent English who can sort out any communication problems.
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I have no idea TM, I have never used them, but I assume they are fine.
I had trouble finding useful maps to be honest. Kiev aint exactly set up for tourists.
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Would you like a manual's guide with a girly map? It would make life so easy and so mechanical at the same time!
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When I was in Kiev I get a good map from:
ukrmap.com.ua
Tel. +380.44.552.31.24 = 380.44.573.26.84
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Thanks Snowy.
I shall use them. This other guy is messing me around.
Vegemars:
Well, er, yes. If there is one. It would be a great guide for everyone.
I just like to have a good idea where things are, especialy in a country like Ukraine.
I shall be there 23-31 May, if any one wants a Vodka (or 5).
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Gentlemen, 36 hours to lift off. I am on way to Amsterdam now for a brief investigation of the carnal pleasures of the local RLS, and then on my way to Kiev, shivering with anticipation, by the way.
I had a look at http://www.apartments.com.ua/search.php and its seems to cater for your cheapest and most expensive desires in the field of housing.
Have fun, and don't open your rubbers with a pair of scissors
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Hi Her555,
I sent email to Gia and asked about the services provided by the ladies. The reply was this.
Our girls are:
ZOYA,TANIA,LINA,MILA,KARINA,VLADISLAVA,RITA,DIANA,KSYUSHA,
DASHA,NIKA,SASHA,IRA,YANA:
1 hour- 70 $
2 hours- 100 $
3 hours- 130 $
4 hours- 160 $
10 hours- 200 $
24 hours- 350 $
* Oral without condom
(TANIA,RITA,DIANA,MILA,KSYUSHA,DASHA,SASHA,IRA,YANA)
* Anal +20 $ (RITA,DASHA,IRA,YANA)
* Lesbi + 20
$(ZOYA,TANIA,KARINA,LINA,RITA,VLADISLAVA,DIANA,MILA,KSYUSHA,SASHA,IRA,YANA)
* An apartment for meeting 20$ - 30$
* 1 $USD = 5,4 UAH
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So, Nika does not provide OWO ? Can you shed some light please ?
Thanks in advance.
P.
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Guys, I plan for August a three weeks stay in Kiev; After being through this excellent thread (thanks to Vegamars and others), I'd like to jump in with a few questions, beside the infos about pros spots which have been well reported ; excuse me for it, and thanks in advance for any answer ;
What are the current best cafes, happy-hours, outdoors terraces, bars, discos to meet regulars/semi pros Ukrainian girls ?
Is there a kind of after-hour disco where both regulars, semi pros and pros come to late-night party ?
Is the Dnipro hotel (previously recommanded) girl-friendly, without hassles ?
Is there a kind of Country Club with swimming pool for sunlounging or some city beaches (with girlies to meet should be better :) !)
Is Lugansk worth a side trip ?
Once more, sorry to jump in the thread with questions, but Kiev will be totally new for me and i need some advices from the WSG fraternity ...
Cheers
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Always keep in mind that making plans beforehand for Ukraine can be useless and dangerous at the same time.
River Palace,Mandarin,Moda Bar and Club111 are all good places for late night parties.
Dnipro Hotel is always girl friendly if you don't lack any kind of confidence.
Lugansk is always worth visiting as it's one of the famous places for beautiful chicks(I have enough evidence to support the rumours)
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Evidence is no more than hearsay until it is presented. The jury is still out, anxiously awaiting any opportunity to find you guilty as charged of mongering, rather than an insanity defence.
For the Pro, a valid but missed point on plan making. Expect to split your time between what you can set up for yourself, which most of the time works out fine in this cool place where most dyevs are naturally friendly, and the rest of the time, stir up the mix to get where and when the unexpected will just come your way, wander around, initiate your own opportunities, then be amazed at what happens.
Vegas and I ALWAYS disagree, EXCEPT about the mysterious magic of Ukriane females. That magic can make a lot of good things happen, and it is posiible to find it. But be warned, you'll miss it PLENTY when you go back home.
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Too right MM. I've been back home three weeks or so and it feels like yesterday. I had such a ridiculously girl-packed schedule, but I still think of what I might have done in addition. Whether I should have gone with that freebie again on the last night etc?
Wandering around alone, getting a bite to eat in a snack-bar alone - they're great opportunities. Flirting with the waitress is almost expected in the ordinary places (less so in the upper-end restaurants where I guess they're used to foreign businessmen), and it's really quite easy to get a phone number, and usually there's a table or two of all-girls around for you to cheekily ask for a translation of the menu!
The hookers are sensational, and great at short notice, during the day, and in the very early hours of the morning, but on reflection I'd now recommend from 5pm when they finish work, concentrate on the local talent and you should "bag" a freebie. If you don't score on the first night then go to Moda, River P, before closing time to take out your frustrations and unload for $100-$150!!
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Is Moda and club 111 all pros or mixed?
Can you tell me where Lugansk is?
Is this the place for model types?
I thought freedom and Chakavsky (or similar) are the places to go?
As an aside, does any one know a good travel agent that does trips to Chernobyl? and city tours?
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Weird request:
Anybody know of a homestay with a Russian Teacher?
I would like to stay 3 weeks and learn Russian during the day and play at night.
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Looks more like i will go through Kiev in July or August as well.
Can anyone tell me what the deal is with teh Medical Insurance ? The consular says its required. A few books I read noted it hit or miss based on what the entry officer wants to hassle you for. how much is it and has anyone gotten around it ?
Also looking at going into LVoV and a train into Budapest.
Any top of thought info on Hotels and activity is welcome.
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The Kiev-Budapest train takes 24 hours including a 5 hour stop to change the guage. The flight was 178 pounds sterling return and booked solid several days in advance when I enquired in Budapest a few weeks ago. Air Baltic offer cheap one ways up to Riga. Any info on getting to Minsk?
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Hi all. I will be in Kiev at the end of August.
If anyone is interested in hunting in packs, please let me know. Thanks.
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does anyone have any expirience with girls from this website: www.lovelygirls.org ?
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Local,
I don't think they'll see you in Kiev, only export to foreign climes. I heard a report from someone using one of their girls in another country on a business trip and said it wasn't really value for money, and he now uses another agency. But hey, that's only third-hand info.
If you're wanting anyone in Kiev then far better to go to Moda Bar, RP, or use GiA, or one of the other agencies listed locally in Kiev.
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Careful Local Expert, there is a warning sign above www.lovelygirls.org in another reputable escort’s reviews web site. DON’T pay deposit or anything up front to this agency, others did and nothing, not even a thank you email
A question if I may. Why would anyone want to get an agency girl when in Kiev? I don’t understand!
Been there recently for a few days. Boy, it was grrrrrrreat
Should and would post a report soon
Steer clear of agencies when in Kiev. No need for any of them, trust me guys. Just don’t be shy and don’t be lazy
Moda bar and River palace are good to find pros and semi-pros. Freedom’s disco (weekends only) lots of non-pro.
Freebies?! Streets, cafes and parks, these are the places to go. Please go, they’re waiting for you!
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knight, gemini... thank you for the warnings/infos. i would love to go to kiev or the ukraine in general one day, but i am still not willing to go into all that visa-, health insurance- and invitation- hassle. so... we will see.
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LE,
I know what you mean about the visas and I personally consider the Russian embassy in London to be the most miserable place on earth - they must have to attend regular courses on how to be difficult and unhelpful as they've got it down to a science. There are though plenty of agencies that will take care of all the hassle for you; a search for Visas + Ukraine on the net in your country will give you loads of options.
It increases the cost of the visa quite considerably (for my latest Kiev visa I think I paid £130 for everything as oppossed to the £40-45 I could have got it for doing it myself), but I've personally come to the opinion I would gladly pay someone an additional £90 to ensure I never have to personally visit the embassy again.
Make the effort and you won't be disappointed in a trip to Kiev.
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Be positive Local Expert, Think of it as a 'Foreplay'. Reserving a room in a hotel- invitation letter, queuing in the consulate- Visa, paying a little extra for 'Ukrainian health cover'? (not sure about that), waiting...and waiting (patiently!) in 'Boryspil's terminal' till the "Kind" officer stamps your passport, the ride in the back of a bashed and stinky Lada (taxi) to town, geting there at last, CLIMAX
Go for it, see it before Kiev girls turns too professional and expensive (see Moscow)
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I don't normally contribute to the Ukraine section (although I'd love to sample some Slavic honeys in the near future) but I looked at the website that was mentioned and IMMEDIATELY I saw one of the chicks and remembered seeing her pics on some porn site. Not hardcore, but she was posing and her name was Victoria. I knew right then and there that it was a scam!
Gemini's words ring true: Just don’t be shy and don’t be lazy
Oh yeah, BTW about a year ago or more, I was inquiring about renting an apartment in Kiev, but a Ukranian guy that has family there who was worked for a customer on my route got fired and I no longer have contact with him. Can anyone point the way for me?
Sinanju Master
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I will be in Kiev for the first week of July with a buddy if anyone feels like joining us for night time journeys for good eats and fun at the clubs. Please feel free to pm if interested.
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Local,
I have been to Ukraine 4 times the last 3 years, I have not had any trouble there and never had to get health insurance. Just want to make sure yours will cover you there should anything happen. The visa and invitation is a peace of cake. Trust me I thought the same as you but now I am hooked. Want to soend every bit of free time in Ukraine.
So give it a shot.
I also agree with Gemini2, Just have to talk to them. Its so nice. I miss it so much Have to get back soon. Good luck all
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Greetings to all the chaps,
Is there in Kiev a "tochka" sceen, similar to Moscow, where you can pick your girl from the line-up?
If so, where can it be found?
Thanks,
Barmer
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TheKnight
Thanks for your reports and also thanks to Roger Mellie.
Very insightful and entertaining..a bit like reading someone's journal with all the great yarns and near-misses from your dodging your work colleagues a humourous touch
Some questions you may or may not be able to answer:
How are Vietnamese treated over there? (If they know who we are that is).
I've been to Thailand and it seemed over there women in the field sort of learnt that fat Westerners have fatter wallets which made it hard for me a young Asian guy.
Also is it okay to hook up younger chicks there? I mean like teens around 16-21.
Thanks guys,
Look forward to more of your reports!
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I would like to travel to Kiev/Kharkov in July or August and I have some questions to the Ukraine experts:
- Is the way you dress very important if you want to pick up a non-pro girl in Kiev/Kharkov, I mean do I have to dress to impress (like a western business man: suit, tie, italian shoes and so on) or is it enough to dress casual?
- Wouldn't you get problems if you dress to elegant (robery)?
- Is it better to speak all the time english with girls instead of russian (I speak russian fluently)?. The question is because I was in Kiev 1996 and I talked to girls everywhere (in the street, parks, discos, stores) but no success, I talked always in russian, but I think that was reason why I could not score. My assumption is that if girls that looking for a western boyfriend suppose he has to speak english and not russian.
- Is it better to tell the girls that you are "tourist" or better that you are living or going to live in Kiev for some time?
- I know that during summer many girls/students travel away to Crimea. Could be that in summer Kiev/Kharkov has less girls to choose from and it is better to travel from September to May?
Thank you for all possible information.
Sorry for so many questions. Once I travel to Kiev I will post a report.
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Guys,
Yesterday I arrived in Kiev. I will be here a few weeks every month for the next half year to a year. Boy what a wonderful town. The weather was great as I walked down Krechatik and the girls were just stunning. Most didn't try to hide any detail from the interested spectator.
Being tired and stressed from the trip (and Borispol) and in the mood for some fun after all the eye candy on Krechatik I called a number a friend gave me for a relaxing massage. Something special here in Kiev he told me.
Viola was very friendly and had a body to die for. We sat and had some conversation. Then she slipped into something I want to share with you. I have posted another picture of her in the picture section.
The massage was a pleasure, completely relaxing and very sensual, using her breasts, her belly and her ass. I finished between her big firm soft breasts. For 250 Hryvna's (just $50!!) I added an interesting new experience to my life, was again relaxed and all ready to explore this amazing town. I think I will be very happy here. I'll keep you posted.
Good hunting. (I know the Wolff will be)
PS. Anyone interested in sharing contacts please PM me.
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Hello guys,
I am going to Kiev for work. I'll have 4 days after the project for chasing girls.
Question: should i stay in Kiev, or should i go down to L'viv?
Where will the hunting be better?
I am quite experienced pussy hunter in Romania; looking forward to some fresh meat.
Thanks for any info,
RoPickle
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A question for those who have been to Kiev and have tasted the culture. I'm planning on a visit there towards the latter part of summer, but I was wondering, with regards to the amateur scene, picking up non-pros, are they accepting of asians? I'm from England and am asian, so will this matter?
Any thoughts would be helpful
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Anybody interested in watching football Euro 2004 on Tuesday or Wednesday night in Kiev (June 15-16)and then hitting some bars in pursuit of Kiev's finest (or at least semi-finest...) pro, non-pro or otherwise willing dyevs?
Any recommended sports bars?
PM me if interested!
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Skank: The Irish pub should be pumping on EURO 2004 nites ... big screen upstairs - sorry I cant join you mate
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Gentlemen,
Could I please get some advice about hotels (I prefer Hotels to apts) in Kiev? I am interested in girl friendly, safe and centrally located with all the amenities. The Hotel Rus was recommended to me, but I haven't read anything about it except its' own propaganda.
A July trip for a few days may be in the cards so please PM me with any suggestions you may have,
Thankyou,
The Mouse
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Mickey Mouse - I stayed in the Rus a few weeks back. Hotel is good and rooms amongst best in Kiev. Girl friendly if you drop $20 to security each time. However, it is 15 minutes walk to main street (Krisyatic St - wrong spelling) although taxis no problem. I have stayed in most hotels in Kiev and find Dnipro is best as it is on main street and is girl friendly although the rooms are a bit small.
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Just be normal and get a flat!
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Tastin' away again in Margarita's box.
Sorry about the little green man Martian tint. Left the night vision setting on and I was too drunk on pussy juice to figure out how to switch it off. Too bad, she was a redhead.
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Hi all,
There was a post in this thread about 6 months ago about a service from www.vipgateway.com which offered translating, transfers, apartments, concierge etc etc in Kiev and Kharkov
I contacted them a few months back and they sounded very professional. But since then I have not had any replies to my emails.
Has anyone used them recently, or know if they are still around?
Cheers.
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Neil,
I haven't used vipgateway, which sounded a pretty complete service from the report, but I did hire a guide for an afternoon when I was in Kiev last week from http://translatorkiev.by.ru/SaPer/services.htm.
I just hired one of their girls for a few hours for a trip around the touristy bits of Kiev, and she was great. They seem to offer a whole range of additional support services for tourist and business travellers and the boss (Alex?) answered all emails promptly. I can't personally reccomend any of their other services as I haven't used them, but they seemed genuine and reliable.
For apartments, I can personally reccomend both http://www.alserent.kiev.ua/ and http://www.uaapartments.com/. Again I can't vouch for their other services such as translators and guides, but both were excellent to deal with and reliable for their apartments.
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Anyone going to be in Kiev this weekend of June 19th and wants to grab a drink?
Feel free to PM me. Thanks.
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Neil
I had trouble making contact with them by phone or by email when I was in Kiev and Kharkov a few months back. I would have liked to try them but it didnt seem to work out
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Planned - Ukraine 8-17 July
I will be in Kiev 8-17 July. Probably out exploring other parts of the country between then.
Wouldn't mind trying to meet up with others.
Any Kiev or Ukraine hotel notes would be greatly appreciated. Any websites or preferred booking methods. If just a drop-in is safe from the rack rate.
I am looking more seriously at an apartment. Which areas\streets\landmarks are better, especially that are easy walks to sources of food !
Please PM me or post thanks
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Neil.
I have heard that agency no longer has any contacts available in Kharkov.
Which is a pity, because the scene there is difficult without inside help.
Kharkov dyev from 2 weeks ago.
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Thank you everyone for your information on vipgateway.com.
They looked like they would have been useful. I was planning on perhaps using their services outside of Kiev, but I guess with only 5 days in the country available to me, I might just be restricted to Kiev.
As for apartments, I ended up going with ww.kievapartment.com
They havent been mentioned much on this site before, but they were very very quick in arranging my accomodation and visa support. I guess the test is what the place is really like when I get to the apartment.
Snowy - kind sir, I was just wondering which one of the translators on http://translatorkiev.by.ru you ended up with. To be honest, the website looks a little amateur, but I'm sure that could be misleading.
Anyway, I've had a couple of people express an interest in meeting in Kyiv at the end of August (25-30; I just miss their independence day, I think..damnit!). If there are any people living there who might be willing to share a beer or three with us, please let me know. Thanks!
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Hello,
Is it true that Asian-American men will be treated quite badly in the Ukraine (stares, racial slurs, etc) as the Ukrainians are quite racist against Asians and Blacks?
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Recently got back from 11 days in a sunny Kiev and had a truly fine time. I can’t really remember a blow by blow account, so just some notes on the trip and some of the places - sorry, but this is likely to be long and rambling! Probably of more use to the novice traveller I'm afraid than giving much new information to the regulars.
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I thought my Russian had improved sufficiently to actively avoid the traditional P4P venues as a meeting place and was determined to only meet regular girls, which proved quite easy. My only regret is that I was nearly entirely focussed in the centre. In light of my very last memory of Kiev (around 30+ apparently breathtaking girls standing outside a university/college just before the motorway to Borispol) I think I’ll spend more time further away from the centre next time and really test my Russian skills out.
Last time in Kiev I reckon I got quite lucky with the girls I met which meant I got by mainly in English and a little Russian. If I had just focussed on the regular girls with sufficient English this time the trip would have been a bit disappointing, with all the really good girls – genuinely non-pros or those on the fringes of the p4p scene – being predominately Russian speakers. I also took the advice of this board and was significantly more cocky with the girls I met which really paid dividends.
Clubs
Moda Bar
In November everyone seemed to love this place, but all the regular people seemed to be really off it now saying that all the girls there are now pros. Not good for them, but useful for this board! Sorry I can’t give you an idea of prices as I went no-where near it, but based on everything else I would guess the girls all want/expect a minimum of $150 – the pros seemed to have formed a cartel on this and have set the price. I got the impression that Moda was becoming more and more like RP.
River Palace
Just went the once at 4am, when I was wired from a particularly fine night and was still unfeasibly randy (I think I blame honey vodka which seemed to mix surprisingly well with Kamagra, but I really, really wouldn’t recommend it). Went to see if they were showing the NBA finals (they weren’t) and to see if I could get a cheap threesome with whoever was left. Two girls were sitting in the bar downstairs – both around 6s, but seemed ideal. I wasn’t in the mood to be charming, so got straight down to bartering. Offered $150 for the two of them, and they countered with $150 for one of them. Maybe the disco was packed with willing guys, but it seemed unlikely at that time on a Sunday; they seemed to be showing a surprising lack of reality! Admittedly a clearly tanked guy marching in and asking for a threesome without any pre-amble probably didn’t make me the most attractive punter. To put it mildly they seemed a little flummoxed when, having been there for a less than a minute and having made only one offer, I walked straight back out. The two of them came “running”- trotting is more accurate due to stupidly high heels – and offered me $200 for both. One of the girls was fluent in English and was doing the negotiations, but still hadn’t caught on that whilst randy I wasn’t going to pay more than I wanted (and having had a poke less than a hour before was not overly bothered) and she was acting somewhat arsey. I walked off again and her Russian-speaking friend pursued. It turned out she only came to RP once a week and had exams coming up so was not in the mood to go home empty handed as she wouldn’t be back for a couple of weeks. We settled on $50, with a promise of more based on how happy she made me. Performance related pay is definitely the way to go! Whilst not the best looking, she had a good body and a great attitude. She ended up staying until around 4pm the next day and I actually gave her $100 in total (in fairness to me, Detroit’s victory had made me more than this in the first two hours of my time with her, so it seemed somewhat mean to pay less).
I got the impression that the $150 price is something that the real pros will really do all they can to avoid going below as otherwise word gets out that $ is the price they'll all settle on. Whilst "being a gentlemen" is always a nice idea, there is a point where you just need to establish control and set your price with the pros. If the girls think they are in control (e.g. your horniness = more than your ability to say "too much $"), then things will just get out of whack, prices go up and service gets worse.
There definitely seemed to be more foreigners with cash in Kiev this trip, but still no where near enough to give the pros completely the upper hand. I met a couple of business men who were in Kiev on their first trip who just seemed deliriously happy to have an overnight for $400+ and so the market continues to get a little messed up.
Cocktail 111 (Peremohy Place, next to Hotel Lybid)
I love this place! Pretty sure there is lots of P4P action from pros (the tell tell sign of lots of older, out of place foreigners having a quiet drink in a loud club or dancing badly suggested there had to be action). I reckon the proportion of true pros will depend on the night. On a busy night there are lots of good looking girls there who are just out for a laugh with their friends; I’m 99.9% sure that nearly all are approachable and available (excluding those obviously with boyfriends!). Tuesdays are packed making 111 a really good mid-week option and the weekends were stuffed too. Took dates here and had a fine, fine time. Staff are great, liked the atmosphere and would actually go back next time to try out the P4P scene quite happily. To be successful you’ll have to get up and dance. I went here on my first night in Kiev and met students celebrating the end of her exams with a few friends. Definitely not pros; the one I really liked was actually a little uncomfortable with me buying them drinks. Got numbers from a couple of them and ended up spending 3 or 4 days with the girl I wanted later during my stay without spending more than drinks, cabs and meals – does this qualify as P4P or a freebie? Who cares!
Shooters (22 Moskova’ka)
Went here with a date on TravelMen’s recommendation, so many thanks to him. I went one night on the weekend – I think Saturday. Place was packed, good atmosphere, liked the sounds and a mixed crowd – a few obvious pros (I think) and lots of really hot looking girls who were definitely approachable. Was able to pick up a few numbers really easily whilst I was outside having a smoke, although didn’t have time to follow-up this trip. The MC who screams out "PARTYPARTYPARTY" every 15 minutes does need to be smacked. hard.
O’Neills
I know people have mentioned this place as a P4P/meet regular girl place, but I just haven’t seen it in either visit to Kiev. I saw a few guys with girls they had already met, and it’s a good place to go for a drink, but personally I wouldn’t go there to meet girls. One girl I was speaking to in some bar said she and a friend had been barred from O’Neills for going in dressed too much like pros. (in fairness to the owner, they were pros and they did dress like pros!), so this didn’t seem to bode too well as a place for obvious P4P. As I said though it’s a fun place to go.
Strolling
My main area for making contact with regular girls was in stores and the underground shopping “malls” that seem to run underneath all of central Kiev. I don’t like working with a wing man, so for the solo mission this worked really well for me. Not sure why, but all success came at perfumeries (really easy – “I’m buying something for a friend, can you help me choose something nice” kind of thing), sunglass stalls and, for no obvious reason I can see, furniture stalls (especially sofa beds - I really don't know why!). Across my first two days picked up more than enough numbers for the entire trip across a whole range of regular girls, from students out shopping to store assistants – also got knocked back plenty too! I was able to work fairly exclusively in average Russian (with some "charming" mistakes and a bit of English on both sides) and this seemed to work incredibly well the whole trip. I had my best success with first night sex with the girls I met in the shops (really not too difficult to get anyone who would meet for a drink later into bed on the first date). The shop assistants also had the advantage of wanting to be in bed (asleep) at a normal time, opening up the rest of the evening for clubs - splendid!
The one place I wish I had had someone else to work with was on Khreshatyk on a weekend evening – a truly glorious scene on a summer evening! Snowy’s fashion report is that the girls are nearly exclusively wearing ridiculously tight hipsters with a wide variety of killer and impractical footware and big shades (to be worn at all times in and outside). Bodies are hard, butts are tight, tops are short, bras are optional and beer and cigarettes are cheap – it’s fair to say I was a happy man! You need no language skills to appreciate the glorious view. On my return to London the fashion was similar and whilst the hipsters were still tight, the bodies were not so hard (shiver)! Anyway, weekend evenings are packed and the girls are on parade and are hit on continually by groups of local guys. They seem completely used to being approached continually and seem to have little problem with it and little problem with sending the guys packing.
The girls in Kiev are pretty confident and not to be under-estimated – they’re not stupid, not desperate and will not swoon at the first sign of a Westerner with cash - they are also very, very aware that they’re hot! Rewards are to be had, but you still have to work to get success (especially in a short stay).
I did okay on Khreshatyk on one Friday night – got a few numbers and ended up taking a couple of cute students out for some drinks and slept with one of them, but it was hard work on my own. Some of the other numbers I got I decided not to follow up on as I wasn't too sure the rewards were to be had this trip - had a smell of high maintenance and low return. Too many other options to take the risk wasting my time. A lot of the girls are happy to spend the evening talking and drinking outside with their friends and approaching a group of 4-5 girls on your own is not too easy or successful. I think if there is 2 or more of you, the success rate will be far higher. I had a lot more success on my own on weekdays in the early evening, where meeting girls who were going for a quick drink after work seemed relatively easy.
From a restaurant perspective can I add my recommendation to Taras in Shevchenka Park, which was really excellent. I also went to some relatively new place – Hot Mamas, I think, on Tereschenkivs’ka. It’s a USA style diner dedicated to The Rolling Stones, with a range of tacky named dishes. The food was really average, but I went there twice with different groups of girls and they seemed to really like it and it’s just down the road from one of the Universities where some of the girls went.
For those who have PMd me about translatorkiev, can I just reiterate that, to the best of my knowledge, this is not a p4p site.
Hope some of this helps someone – I really can’t recommend enough learning a bit of Russian before you go. Saves a fortune on taxis and opens up so many other opportunities with different girls. Regardless, if you haven’t been to Kiev…go. Great girls, cheap nightlife, much fun.
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I have a trip to Kiev planned on Aug 10-13 and am searching for a female, english speaking guide. Zergut seems to have had a good service from VIPGATEWAY.com but they have not responded to my emails. I am wondering if anyone knows of a similar service. I want to spend the entire time mongering and sightseeing. PM or post if you have some insight.
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Snowy's report has all the pick up places.
Ask hotel bellboy,security guard, taxi drivers, etc.
Sightseeing is just walking around the center.
Everything you can do to help their economy is your simple way of giving back
to an important community.
I get so upset and am so dissappointed with my government when I think and consider for how many years, maybe 30, we had warheads aimed at a city so full
of sweet honey, its amazing that we can go there and its meaningless to them.
But with that in mind, we owe it to them to make up for such misdirected irresponsible ill will in every way we can, and to every extent. Fill up your suitcase full of stuff, cosmetics, perfume, t-shirts, hair care stuff, and anything else you can think of, and give till it hurts.
Think you'd find anything as genuine as 5 hours with this five-some ?
Ridin' that Glory Train!
Yeah, beer and cigarettes are cheap, but caviar's still $50 jar.
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JQ - see post by NeilSydney lower down and responses
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Quick question for those who have been both places.
If you could go to Kiev OR Moscow for 10 days, but not both, which one?
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Quick answer
You would surely go to Kiev and never ask such questions again when you would be going there again as quickly as possible.
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Chuponalgas,
To answer the quick question not so succinctly, this is one answer that I can agree with Vegamars about.
It is definitely Kiev.
It is much easier to meet any lady (non-pros) at almost any bar, club, or restaurant, not to mention a better chance of meeting them just on the street at any time of day. I find that Moscow women have a harder, tougher edge to them, they seem more like New York women.
And if you want a pro or semi-pro, the quality is just as high as it is in Moscow but the prices are far lower.
Best of all, unless you are Black or Asian, the militsia never hassle you for anything unlike Moscow where it could be at any time of day or night for no reason at all.
Kiev is a much nicer place than Moscow and its best seasons are summer and fall.
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Rastaman,
Most anyone who does not look like he is a local will get the occasional hassle from the local cops.
I have been there seven years and never been stopped once. I also worked in an area near dorms for African and Asian students. That means if you are Black or Asian, the militsia will, if they are in a mood, either because they want some "income" because your papers are "not all in order" or just plain want to bust your nuts, they will stop you first for a document check. And I am sorry to say that if it a choice for them between a Black or an Asian, it will be the Black who will be stopped.
I have seen it too many times, in Moscow, in Kiev and a few other cities. It is a fact of life here, racism does exist with the officers who work in these so-called "organs of public order."
True story: I was waiting at a bus stop in Moscow along with 4 others who were White but obviously from the Caucasuses, they may have been Chechens or Azeris or Dagestanis, doesn't matter. They were not ethnic Slavs. The militsia stopped, 4 cops pulled out Kalashnikovs and roughly hassled these four guys for their papers. I am a basic vanilla White guy and they did not even glance at me or even ask me any questions. It was very tense for all and I was glad the bus pulled up and I got out of there fast. I was the only one to board the bus at that stop, by the way.
That being said, the situation in Kiev is much, much better and it is a better city in this respect than Moscow but the potential for these problems does exist if you are non-white.
If you have your passport and the "immigration" document with you, then you should have, generally speaking, no problems after that. I am sure the regular visitors and contributors to this forum have at one point or another seen or even been stopped for this "document check." The problem is that if you, and that means anyone, Black, White, Green or otherwise, displays an "attitude," the militsia will make sure you get a costly and very unpleasant lesson in local law enforcement.
One other thing. Ladies, Black, White, Asian, or otherwise, never get stopped.
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On the subject of being stopped by police in Kiev - I go there often and was only stopped once. It was 4 in the morning and I was walking just off the main street and looked like I had a few drinks on board (I had). Got the old "problem with papers" routine but in a very jovial friendly way. Gave them 50 grivnas ($10) and we sat and joked and had a cigarette together. It was just a part of the game/system and in no way intimidating or frightening. I would see the two policemen occasionally in the street after that and always got a smile and a wave. It is most unlike Moscow in that respect.
On the plus side, I was walking around central Kiev at 4 in the morning, with a few drinks and not a care in the world. Never felt unsafe there for a minute. Its a beautiful city and the people are as good as it gets - way ahead of Moscow in my opinion.
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On my many visits to Ukraine and Russia,I've never been stopped by the police.
It all depends on you,no matter what the time is.If you feel confident enough nothing's gonna happen.
I feel so sure that I can go around without any documents.
If you ever succeed to be stopped by the police especially in Ukraine,it's definitely your own fault.
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If you have the slightest doubt,you can stay happily in the States and try to walk at night,say in L.A and see what's gonna happen.
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I have been to kiev many times and even lived there one or twice so I can say something about the situation with the police there. They will stop you if you are black, asian or even if you dont look russian/ukrainian. I am half colombianian and I would get stoped about once a week there and, yes it was during the day time. They also are predjuce against people from the caucases and from the stans (central asia). As a matter of fact I heard from the american embassy there in kiev that they have stopped the american ambassator several times untill they goverment there got wise and stopped doing this to him. He was black and even with diplomatic plates he would get stoped.
I know of another instance where the Nigerians there would get beat or the cops would even plant drugs on them to arrest them on false charges. It was published in the Kiev Post some years back. The only reason why Nigerians are/were in the country is to further there education. These were people that wanted to get a docterate or a higher education because it was cheaper for them here at the time. The NIgerians there are very educated there and have no motive to start trouble or sell drugs like the police would have you think. Back in the days of the Soviet Union raceism was illegal and you could get thrown in jail for it, but now aparently its ok, accepeted and legal. Its like driving while black here in the states.
If anyone follows this board then they would know that there enough posts here to raise some questions about the police in Ukraine, so they should be somewhat leary of the LE here even if they are doing nothing wrong.
Not all Ukrainians are prejudice, but I would say about 20% or less. Mostly the uneducated like the police there. The police have no formal education. They only have to be trained to be a policeman. Also there still is that old way of thinking leftover from the cold war and it still exists today. Alot of the higher ups in the Police force were trained in this era. I like ukraine though and some of my best freinds are there in kiev so its not all bad. You just have to take the good with the bad.
As far as mongering. I think its crazy to get girls for 50 dollars in Kiev where you can get it in alot of places in ukraine outside of the city if you look for it. 100 grevna or 20 dollars is normal in the summer and i have gotten sex from pros for as little as 6 dollars, but I will not say where in the country because when americans come around the prices tend to increase. I have also heard of places where you can get sex for as little as a dollar in the country but again I will not tell you where. I also heard that these girls for a dollar were a bit skanky though.
My advice is to beware of the police if you are ethenic and be sure that your papers are in order. It is Ileagal to not have your passport on your person at all times in Ukraine according to the american embassy there, For mongering, other places outside of kiev which are cheaper.
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Actually, as a person of ethnic Indian origin, I don't give a shit about the militia, yeah its a hassle, but what I really want to know is how likely am I get to get my head kicked in by brain-dead skinheads in Ukraine? Don't want to be unrolling my city map to figure out where the dyev's apartment is when 3 or 4 dubious characters materialise out of the darkness.
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Art
Dude, I would simply say that you should take precautions "as you would in any other large city".... London, NY, Moscow etc!
In my humble experience Map reading is best done in a taxi!
Large maps blowing in the wind, and dollar bills hanging out of your pocket, and fat credit card filled wallets in back pockets, coupled with a hefty dose of beer in your gut and a feverish hard on in anticipation of some action tends to attract the worst kind whether you are white black asian or as one of our colleagues suggested "green" ...in any city!
Enjoy you visit
ST.
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Thanks for the tips. Guess I will try Kiev later this year.
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I heard that one year the skin-heads were out on the main drag after a soccer game. I guess it was like a impromtu protest of somekind. Well the Berkut (they are somethingn like swat) came by and with no warning, no cease and desperse no nothing they just came out beat on these guys and that was that. I heard about it from several people there one year when I was there. Anyway I think you will have no problem if will be there with someone, stay in the center, and stay off the public transportation (pick pockets), I have never had any problems when I was there with crime or being worried about getting robbed. You just have to be smart about your surroundings.
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Swiss Tiger
You are of course right! Might as well wear a T-shirt saying "mug me"! :-)
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Just curious... Seems to be quite a disparity between the wages and the price of P2P. Isn't $100 about 2 weeks normal salary for a secretary or waitress? Funny how the ratio between minimum wage and P2P varies so wildly from country to country! You would think, for example, that the girls would generally be happy to receive, say, 2 days wages for 2 hours, as is the case in Thailand, Brazil, Argentina.
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Come on you guys,you're exagerating the situation.
Unlike Moldova,Belarus,Russia,etc Ukraine has a very mixed culture and there's no tpical characteristic of an Ukrainian guy.
I've seen many times Ukrainian girls approaching me and speaking directly in Russian,thinking that I'm Ukrainian.
If you feel uncomfortable and distressed even in Ukraine,definitely Russia is not the place for you to visit.
Whether you're Asian,hispanic,black or white will not give you any advantage or disadvantage on any matter.
Average wages are $100 in Kiev and $40-50 in other cities and suburbs,but as you can imagine Kiev is much more expensive with a rapidly growing population of 6million nowadays.
I know from my girlfriends in Lvov,Harkov,Dniepropetrovsk and Lugansk that it's quite possible to get along with $50 per month since the average rents are $25-30.
On the contrary,the min rents in Kiev are $100 and as high as $500 in the very center,so especially the high quality girls with a high standard of living require a min of $1000 per month.
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Chuponalgas:
$100 is the rate at places where the clientel can easily afford $100. Russians have this disturbing habit of paying more than they have to and I don't think expats are entirely to blame for the rising pro prices, especially since the majority of the clientel is Russian actually. Not at places like RP or NF where you will be hard-pressed to find any Russians, but in the market as a whole. On several occassions Russians have told me that paying more than you have to is a sign of power and status... no wonder luxury restaurants and $500 pros thrive in Moscow... and will soon invade Kiev.
You can have $30 pros in Kiev too, but the quality of goods is questionable at best.... at least in my experience. A little shopping (if that is worth your time) will certainly yield better results than my little streetwalker safari, detailed below...
During my recent stay in Kiev after sending my girl home in a taxi to her mom and dad (was interesting to observe her bargain down to 7 UAH for a stretch that I would have paid 20 UAH for... Kiev taxi drivers are even more resilient than Moscow ones in trying to squeeze out an extra buck) I decided to go to River Palace. Should have went to 111 in retrospect, but I was curious about RP. In the taxi, my crackhead driver Slava kept asking me if I wanted a girl. Not really needing one at all, but just curious, I said OK, as long as he drove me to RP later, I would look at his "girl" and decide if I wanted her. So Slava zooms off in his Lada. He was an awful driver and I swear he was on something, or just really stupid. He wasn't drunk, otherwise I wouldn't have driven with him. It was adventurous enough as it was with Slava without the unnecessary vodka kick and the thrill of the ensuing crash and a subsequent tour of the Ukraine's world renowned health care system.
"Give heem green infusion!"
"Vee are out of green infusion!"
"OK, give heem blue infusion!"
So Slava zoomed over the bridge and we ended up on Brovarsky Prospekt, somewhere near Bratislava Hotel if I remember correctly. Boondocks in any case. On a somewhat desolate road he stopped and made a call for the girl. I observed the situation closely, not afraid but also not keen on getting knocked over the head by some thugs. I still knew approx where I was and had my wits aboout me.... I was just keenly observant and really enjoying the comic situation unfolding in front of me. Besides, it was a nice night and my thoughts were still charged with positive energy stemming from the pretty 20-year old (?) I'd just had an hour ago.
About a minute later a thin blonde girl in tight jeans and a tight blouse approached the taxi, silhouetted by the streetlights. It would have been a beautifully surreal film had I had a video camera... Slava turned on his car lights so I could get a look at the girl and he was getting really excited, commenting on what a babe she was, how sexy she was and how great her performance was and telling me I could have her for 60 UAH ($12) in the car or 120 UAH ($24) in my apartment. Maybe it was his cousin. Admittedly she didn't look bad until she came close enough for me to really see her face. It wasn't Julia Roberts in "Pretty Woman", but rather Inna Volvova in "Skank Ho". Nice and sleazy. Silently I rejoiced. This is the shit I really like. An authentic skank. There was no way in hell I was going to fuck her, but like visiting the monkey cage at the zoo, it was fun for the whole family. She even smiled for me, displaying some of the world's worst teeth... so bad I wondered if they were so screwed up because of lack of dental hygiene or if she was showing the signs of "junkie teeth". She was skinny enough. After about a minute of bargaining the joy of my safari was wearing off and I began to feel sorry for her so I sent her away and told Slava to drive me to RP. While on the way to RP we drove by a couple of other street walkers and I saw one I even liked, but as we pulled to the side she got scared and scurried off into the bushes, nearly falling down as she crashed through the greenery like a wild elephant, her cheap acid-washed skirt barely concealed her ass, which was nicely silhouetted in the moonlight... I was feeling romantic and everything was silhouetting all over the place. Nonetheless, I don't recall ever having that kind of effect on a woman before.
After a brief stop at Sport Hotel, where Slava promised me a selection of girls to look at but instead only brought a newspaper presented to me like a menu but only containing phone numbers and bait and switch pictures from various agencies (which Slava obviously really thought were the real pictures of the girls), we went to RP, where I wanted to comtinue my safari. Having arrived, at that point Slava wanted 100 UAH ($20) for his services, but I gave him 40 ($8) for driving me around for 45 minutes on my safari. It wasn't my idea to drive all over Kiev looking for cheap pros, I wanted to go to RP and check out the eye candy. He wasn't happy and warned me again that the RP girls were overpriced and would slip sleeping pills into my drink and throw me into the Dnipro, but I went in anyway... well aware of the horrible danger that was facing me... :)
So if you would rather pay 1 months secretarial wages than two, look no further than Slava's skank taxi express. He'll set you up. :)
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LOL what a great story. Sometimes the funnest thing about these trips is when everything goes wrong, and you feel like you have wandered into the Twilight Zone. My favorite memory is a $4 girl in Guatemala in a fleabag motel in the jungle with lizards all over the wall and monkeys outside the windows and a born-again preacher in the church next door screaming that we are all going to hell.
Kiev sounds fun, and I will definitely go there for some variety, but sheesh, I have been to Brazil and Argentina more than 10x each, and let me tell you, from your description of Kiev, you guys should try those places too if you can. There are many places in Rio or BA where you can walk in and choose from 50-plus 7-10's including some Victoria Secret types, many blondes, many GFE, all competing for your attn., for $30-90. I would have thought that, based on economics, Kiev would be the same, but sounds like less choice and more $$$. Guess the Ukies haven't quite figured out free market capitalism yet!!!!
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Based on my knowledge and the pictures posted on this board,there's no point of comparison between South America and Kiev.
As for the prices,Kiev is still the cheapest place in Europe for mongering purposes after Northern Cyprus and Belarus.
And who said there's a limited choice?6 million population of which 60% are women and 90% of those are potential chicks!!
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Chuponalgas
I am not sure what you base this P2P $100 on but I am assuming this is based on the Gia rates. Very few locals use Gia or any of the other agencies advertising to foreigners. If you don't speak Ukrainian and/or Russian (here we go again!) you will just have to settle for these rates. Call it an extra service fee from the agency. It has nothing to do with local earning power but with how much the agencies can get from you for an hour or two.
The agencies here, as I have said before, have two price lists. One is for locals, the other is for foreigners who they know will pay the much higher rates.
Locally, if you can blend in, the prices are much lower. An hour is usually $40 or $50, and 2 hours for a one time visit or a first-time visit is $70. I saw one pro on an occasional basis and after two or three visits, it was $50 for two hours, CIM and anal with no extra charge. An overnight is $150 and that is about 12 hours. She also has a very nice studio flat that she rents for her work in the center and that costs her $250. These are all Kiev prices but will be much lower in other areas outside the major cities.
I am also not sure that anyone can say the average wage in Kiev is $100. It may have been true a few years ago but not now. I would say average wages are now higher than that, perhaps in the $200-$300 range for most of the non-governmental working class. Teachers, doctors, nurses and other government related service employees are at that $100 average. And then there are the higher level bureaucrats who earn as much as they can get. Therefore the cost of P2P will also be higher!
Kiev's actual population is just under three million.
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I am not sure who at the embassy told you about the police stopping a "Black" American ambassador. First, there has not been a Black American ambassador here. The closest was the most recent who was Hispanic. Trust me, diplomatic plates here are very clear as to what country owns the car and more importantly, whose car it is. Also, in keeping with security concerns, he travels with additional cars as body guards. Any traffic officer in Kiev who stops the US ambassador, black or white, had better be prepared to work in some distant province the next day.
It also does not make sense from another point of view. The traffic cops are the most corrupt of all the police here. They make money by constantly stopping cars and "inspecting their papers." It is almost always a "shakedown" and it is always better and more profitable to stop a normal car than a diplomatic car and risking losing your job.
Beat cops are also corrupt and the easiest targets are obvious foreigners but most of the time, 50 Grivna will be get you away.
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Uke Boy:
Thanks for your insight/perspective on the $100 standard (I based this on RP/easy access expat options). How do the $50-60 girls compare to RP quality wise? Favorably or even better? I know it is a general question and subjective, but since we invariably have to do some generalizing, what is your opinion?
Chuponalgas:
I would love to get to SA but don't have the time... maybe in the winter (their summer). The quality of pros in SA is fantastic and the $/€ exchange rates to their respective local currencies is equally fantastic. But for now I am stuck with EE.
Uke Boy and several other posters know Ukraine far better than I, but $100 for an overnight, whether in Moscow or Kiev, is still a fantastic price. I personally prefer overnight as I like to celebrate the event and try out many things and obtain video, but often even an overnight really boils down to only 2-3 hours of actual activity... so arranging a $50-60 2-3 hour session is quite sensible.
In any case you'll have a lot of fun and I am looking forward to your after action report.
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The agency Gia asks for $80-$90 for 2-3 hrs,but you can easily negotiate to lower it down to $50-60.What's more,you can persuade the girls to stay for the night for the same charge if she likes you.
It's also quite possible to find pros and semi-pros in River Palace for $50 for 2-3 hrs or even non-pros for free,though it takes some patience and consideration.
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Vegamars,
Just out of curiousity, do you have any particular technique you use in persuading girls to go for free?
And about negotiating a lower price, what works there? Sheer resilience? Or some other factor?
Obviously if she likes you you'll get "benefits"... is there any particular things that works for you to develop thís affection, or is it just standard male-female interaction skills?
In other words, do you scheme or have a battle plan or is it just a matter (as you have often stated before) simply a matter of going with the flow? A technique which I personally endorse as well, but while still maintaining certain strategic elements in my efforts.
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The only tecnique I use with success is to treat any girl as if you know her for a long time and to show that you care for her with some sort of feelings.
It works most of the time and after I meet a pro or semi-pro for first time I can easily manage to see her again and again for free.
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Dr Skank,
How the $40/$50 ladies compare to the RP and higher priced pros such as Gia? Subjective, yes, but the only answer is "no difference," except for price.
I have been fortunate and that all the ladies I have met in the price range have been from 8's to 10's, for looks, services and attitude. I have paid the higher rates for ladies from the online agencies who have interested me but to say they were ultimately worth twice the money would not be the case here.
My occasional pro here is an independent, 27 years old, a "9.6" in looks, with C/D breasts, a hard body, she works out in the gym regularly, and just loves sex in any way and any position. That's $50 for 2 hours so why would I want to overpay? I should also add that I do "tip" her regularly when I do see her, sometimes cash (an extra $20), sometimes flowers if it is near a major holiday such a International Women's Day, or sometimes a nice bottle of wine. Such gestures here are important in maintaining a good relationship and it does not cost all that much more but you get so much more in return.
It will be a very dark day when she leaves the business.
The main thing is that you have to develop a regular relationship. The price goes way down and the variety of services increases as they get comfortable with you, and that includes video. But it is never "free" since for them it is a business.
If you want to sample new ladies each and every time, you will always be paying whatever is the "introductory" rate. If you keep coming back for more, either with the same lady or even with the same agency, discounts always apply if you ask for them, as well as better services.
I must disagree with Vegamars, and that is no surprise.
The last I looked, Gia certainly doesn't charge $80-$90 for 3 hours but $130 for that time. They generally keep to their price lists and there is no way that 2-3 hours for a Gia lady will be $50. If the girl stays for the night for the same price without informing the agency, then she has to be very stupid or naïve. These ladies are pros and they work for an agency that does keep them in line, and the same can be said of any lady with any agency. They also know what pros and semi-pros make and I suspect that agency girls sometimes work River Palace and other clubs on their own so they know what the going prices are.
Just one other thing also needs to be mentioned. I have asked these ladies and agencies here take anywhere from 60% to 75% of the fee, the balance for the lady. I doubt any agency lady or independent here would spend 3 hours or even overnight with anyone for a take home of $20 or less.
I am not sure why you want to spread this kind of nonsense and raise expectations for other forum readers who want to come here, expectations that will never be met.
I would also like to meet with these pros or even semi-pros that you meet who roll over and charge you nothing for having sex with them. Hookers with hearts of gold! I guess the next step is that these pros and semi-pros will pay you to have sex with them!
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I've never had any aim of raising expectations,everything is out of experience and as I've said before,you've gotto find your own unique way for Ukraine cause trying to follow up others in the exact way will never get you anywhere.
As for agencies and independents,you can only lower the prices only if you can negotiate in the right way.
When I said that the girls could be free afterwards,of course I meant that they would be free for sex and that they would expect little presents,going out for dinner,disco,etc for complete GFE.
It's quite possible to create your individuals out of even top agencies.
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FROM MY BASE, IT costs about the same in money and not much difference in time to go to EE or South America. Thanks for all the comments! I try to be charming and many past chicas like me, but we all have our preferences and I personally prefer to meet a new playmate each time. Commenting philosophically, it still seems to me that if a girl could earn the same in two hours as say, two days as a secretary, you would think there would be thousands of them clamoring for a shot! This is generally the case in SA and Thailand, where the price is much more in line with some reasonable multiple of the minimum wage. LOL I remember some of my friends who went to Moscow and Kiev in the 70's who took an extra suitcase full of panty hose and makeup, and could trade a quickie for a bottle of nail polish!!!! But who understands women, anyway????
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Yeah,I heard stories from 50's and 60's that you could do much more with just a chewing gum in Moscow cause you would be like the first man landing on Mars!!
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Uke Boy,
Thanks for the insight. Will use it to my advantage as best I can.
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I will be in Kiev for 7 days from wednesday if I am deemed suitable for a visa. PM me if you are around. This could be a tricky trip for a non-Russian speaker so may have some questions.
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According to lonelyplanet.com the GDP for Brazil is 4060$ and the GDP for Ukraine is 4500$. In the cia factbook (online version) the GDP for Brazil is 7600$ and the GDP for Ukraine is 5300$. Now given that people outside of Kiev earn alot less then the people that live in Kiev, I would say that the average person in kiev earns about 500$ per month and the average wage outside of Kiev is about 200$ per month. In my previous experance that sounds about right. While I have never been to Brazil I can only estamate that the two economies are the about same and so the price of the girls should also be about the same. However I know I can get girls alot cheaper then the 100$ or 50$ in Kiev. I am not sure about what the prices are outside of the capital of Brazil. Sounds like that girl got a bargin. You can get a bargin on rent there, but it takes time and you have to be willing to rent for 6 months or more. The longer you rent, the cheaper the rent becomes.
Having said that I think that the prices of apartments in the center of town are about 350$- 400$ minimum for a one room apartment and as much as you want to spent for something more luxurious. Just do a search for apartments rentals in Kiev and you can see how much you can spend in Kiev.
As for me those prices are really bazzar from what I remember of Kiev. I remember people selling thier 2 room flats for 10 or 15 thousand dollars in the Podol and Perchersk areas. Its like renting an apartmtent in any downtown city in America.
I once heard of an American that sold his Levi's blue jeans on the street for 100$ back in the day. I think my freind told me that it was about 1990. That was when the price of Levi's were about 15 or 20 dollars. He apparently had to go back to where he was staying in his underware and get another pair of pants to wear.
Finnaly, to the gentlelman that wanted to know who told me the American embassator was harrased in Kiev? Well it was the embassy staff when I went there to file a complaint when the cops harassed, me and I was getting tired of it. I think they would be credible source.
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Could anybody tell me where I can find girls other than in River Palace or Bar 111? Does anybody know some websites of recommended agecies?
Please help!
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Member #2001
All these statistics are great but they only tell part of the story. In Ukraine, you have the official economy and then you have the gray market economy. For example, many businesses officially pay their employees on the books 100 or 200 Grivna, $20 or $40, approximately. Why? Because this is the amount the employer then pays very high social security and medical benefits on to the government. The employee then gets a cash salary from the employer of $100, $200, $300 or more, with no further deductions. These monies are never reported to the government and never show up in any statistics. While the government tries to force businesses to use cash registers in order for the tax people to be able to follow a paper trail, many transactions are cash with no register receipt. This also makes statistical information about Ukraine notoriously wrong or just plain "educated guesses."
Also, here in Kiev there has been a real estate boom over the last 2-3 years. Prices have soared. One bedrooms in Pechersk, unrenovated, are now going for $50,000 or more. More importantly, there is no mortgage system here and people are paying these amounts and more with full cash payment! So how does someone who makes 5K per year be able to afford a 50K flat and pay all cash?
If you are here to see what is happening as I am that is one thing. If you are going to use statistics, then they will lie to you each and every time, or at the very least, anyone can use the statistics to make their own case, even if it is directly opposite of yours.
While Ukraine's economy may be one that is statistically that of a third world nation, the people still see themselves as former superpower citizens as well as cultured and sophisticated Europeans, and that includes the working ladies. Now we are looking at how people value themselves.
For all these reasons and more you cannot compare the prices of Brazilian ladies with that of Ukraine.
This place is far, far different from what it was in 1990.
Finally, the most useless place for help or information for any American, in Kiev or any other country of the world, is the embassy. They are, in fact, the least credible of all sources.
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A few interesting remarks:
There's the 5-10% upper top class of Ukraine especially in Kiev,Dniepropetrovsk and Harkov which is surprisingly and unbelievably rich compared to the rich class in Europe.
What's more the real treasure of the country lies abroad,which has flown away to mainly Australia during the last 15 years as it's a country that's even more suitable than Switzerland for regulations of tax exemptions and huge bank accounts.
There's no real good reliable banks in Ukraine at the moment and all the international money transfers are carried out off the record via illegal change offices.
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Hi Guys,
I will be in Lugansk from the 8th for a week. Would like to meet any fellow brother for a drink or two.
VoodoDick
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Uke Boy,
I think your are absolutly right on most of your points, but that figure is only an estaimate and in the small villages of which there are many of and alot of them are not even on any ukrainian map are empoverished. I know many people in Kiev for many many years and most of them dont own the 5,000 per year that is on those websites. However there are some people that are very very wealthy.
Who buys these apartments and new homes that are outside the city on the way to the airport? The very very rich that have had political contacts before the fall of the Soviet Unioin and wealthy busnessmen, Polititicans, foriegn companies that want to put up thier employees in western style accomodations, and mafiaosa. People like Ukertelecom and Texas Instruments, and some of the executives of the telecominications companies there. People that own the downtown shops are also called "the new russians".
These people are very wealthy since the tax code is only 20 percent for any business its not difficult to see why they are so rich in Kiev. The have a special police in Ukraine that is in charge of making sure that shop owners and bussiness men pay thier full share. It was instutituted to illimanate graft and bribery which is an old costom in the soviet union. That is not to say that there could be a duel form of payment for employees. These are the people that inflate the cost of housing in Kiev. The gap of the haves and have nots is extreame in Ukraine with most of the nations wealthey elete centered inKiev.
While prices for real estate have risen all over In Ukraine and all over the fomer Soviet Union, but it has not risen so much as it has in Kiev. and some other cities in Russia.
Ofcourse you are more then welcome to spend 100 dollars on a escort in Kiev, but for me its is certianly not worth it when you could find pussy, where there is more variety in other parts of the country for alot cheaper.
As far as the American Embassy, I see no reason for them to lie about what they told me. I know this type of behavior exists from my personal experances and from first hand knoledge of other people I have talked to in regaurds to police harresment on the streets.
While I am not in Ukranie at the present time, I am in constant contact with friends that I have there. I base these observations on my personal travels to Ukraine, frends that I have met, and the online version of the Kiev Post (online version), even thought the information from the Kiev Post is some what limited.
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Member #2001
Apartment prices and income levels give you an idea of the overall economy but nothing beats what locals pay since this would be the true market value. That price is, as I said earlier, $40 to $50 for the first hour. Two hours is $60 to $70. These are one-time visit rates and prices are much lower if you become a regular. Anything higher is a premium you pay for the privilege of being a "rich" foreigner.
Take this same local lady and put her in London (and many are there!) and she will cost you 150 Pounds for an hour, or about $270! Paying $70 to Gia for the first hour seems a bargain by comparison.
Unfortunately, police harassment exists, especially if you do not look like a local. Complaining to the embassy may make you feel better but is useless in terms of results. They do not have the power to change anything since the USA has not yet invaded Ukraine, they only listen to you and say some words of possible sympathy. I am also not so sure you would get any true sympathy since most of the staff of the American Citizens Unit at the embassy is staffed by local Ukrainians! Maybe Ukraine has invaded the USA!
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Let me tell you what is all about the embassies in Ukraine!
If you're an Ukrainian citizen and apply for a Schengen,British or American visa and even if all your documents are in order, the most you can do is to get a touristic visa for a max period of ten days after waiting for 1-2 months and most of the time you'll have to wait for all your life!
This is a deliberate policy cause visas are on sale!
Just get ready to give $1000 for the Schengen visa,$1500 for the British visa and $2500 for the American visa and you'll have any type of visa of a period of at least 6 months ready at your hand in just 1day!!
How can anyone expect any kind of sympathy against these embassies(enemies??) while on the other hand no kind of trouble is involved with embassies like Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Switzerland, Lihuania, Latvia, Estonia, China, Korea,etc?
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Hi Vengamars!
I have a question about visas. Is it possible for a Ukrainian girl to reach Prague with only the international passport? And, what about Switzerland?
Can you tell me a good web site on visa policy for Europeans going to Eastern European Country and/or Eastern Europeans coming to EU?
I would like to propose Jackson a forum where people can discuss visa's problems and strategies all around the world.
Thanks for your help,
Rocky V
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Vegamars,
You are entertaining but I am not sure why you keep wanting to give out more misinformation.
Most so-called middle class Ukrainians who qualify can get a Schengen or UK visa with nothing more than a wait in the queues. The wait can be long and spread over several days but most who apply are successful. You are correct that it amounts to a tourist visa for the stated length of the visit. However it does not take 1-2 months but is a matter of a few weeks for those who are applying for the first time or even days or even that day if someone has had visa before and returned to Ukraine on time, and has never illegally overstayed a visa. It really all depends on the consulate and their rules. They are all different despite the fact that it is one "visa."
According to recent official Ukraine government statistics there are about 6 million Ukrainians working and living abroad mostly illegally) who return several billion dollars of their earnings to relatives back home.
If there is a "visa sale," many more people would be ready to hand in their money for this opportunity! These are relatively low prices for documents that I assume are handed out the "back door." There have been isolated cases of such consulate employee corruption. Do you know something we do not?
If you are referring to private companies that claim they can get such visas for a fee, these are also scams. You will not be issued a visa in 99.9% of any situation unless you qualify.
Of course there is no kind of trouble with Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, China since they were former Soviet bloc countries or allies and are still major trading partners, with some being crucial border neighbors. Visa issuance here is just a formality but for now this is not a Schengen visa.
Rocky V
Ukrainians of all types now need visas along with their international passport to get to all the countries of the European Union, along with most other countries of the world. That also includes Switzerland, China, Korea, etc. There are a few countries where visas are issued on the spot such as Egypt and Turkey.
Each country's foreign ministry and the consular websites tell you who needs a visa. These are the people who set the rules and these are the people you should try first and also believe. They are the ones who say yes or no and their decison is final.
It is very simple. Anyone from the former USSR needs a visa to get into all EU counties. No exceptions. EU citizens going to the former USSR also need visas and that includes Ukraine and Russia. Also no exceptions.
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Just for comparison, you guys might want to take a look at
www.ciaplus.com
(Funny name, huh?) This is a very reliable agency in my usual stomping grounds, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, the photos are real, GAROTA means girl, the exchange rate is about 3R=$1, so 100R for 2 hours in your hotel = $33, COMPLETA means anything goes (anal, etc.) There are many cheaper options but this is one of the top level agencies. Most of the CIA girls are college students earning tuition money, mostly model quality.
For a similar look at what goes on in Buenos Aires, my other stomping ground, check out
www.platynum.com.ar
Average price for 2 hours in your hotel room in BA for a top-end model quality chica is about 150 Pesos = $50.
I gather I am not going to find anything comparable in Kiev?
I am coming anyway, just kinda baffled why, with similar economics, no similar availablility or pricing. There is not much religious influence or legal obstaclein the Ukraine, is there? LOL, all comments re underground economy apply equally to Brazil and Argentina, tax evasion is also a national pastime in South America. Anyway, aside from loving the hobby, I am fascinated by the social and economic aspects.
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Chuponalgas,
You will see when you get there and I will say that if your links to those sites are any indication then I have to believe that the quality and the price is more reasonable where you monger in SA.
I someday would like to go down there, but I am not into the escort thing. Once in a while its ok, but I enjoy the hunt and the edge that looking for sw's provides me. How much are the sw's where you are at in in SA?
I have not met too many sw's in Kiev though. I heard of a club somewhere outside of the center wehre it was like a brothel, but I dont think they are open anylonger. However if you go outside of Kiev you can find cheaper prices of escorts and sw's. Its been my experance that when calling a escort service that its hit or miss also. Alot of them do not have pictures of the girls that they provide. then only say do you want blond or brunette and tall or short etc. I had one experance with a girl what was a college student and she was really bad sexually. She was also not too attractive for me because she had a little bit of fat on her stomach. You might have better luck though. I would be interested to know what your impressions are of Ukraine.
What is a schengen visa? I have never heard of it. Is it something new from the goverment? I would be interested to know.
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Yeah, I love to entertain, but that has nothing to do with the facts.
An average Ukrainian requires some sort of connection to the embassies even for getting a short-term touristic visa for Schengen countries, British visa and American visa. Otherwise, there would be no chance of getting it for lifetime.
Isn't it weird that most Ukrainians can get a long-term Swiss visa in just a week, not to mention how easy it is for Polish, Hungarian, Slovak and Czech visas.
All my knowledge is derived from simply experiences and research through girls and actual life in Ukraine beyond the visible screen.
In Ukraine, there's a common expression as '' anything is possible as there's always a backdoor '' whether it's for business or sex.
As for visas, I've had my own concrete experiences where we had to wait for a couple of months for nothing on several occasions and then did it in the other way in just half a day.
There's really no kind of comparison between SA and Ukraine, whether it's for the culture, economic situation, quality of girls.
Why the girls wouldn't agree on very unbelievably low prices simply lies on the fact that they belong to one of the most educated and intelligent countries in the world.
There are about 50 universities only in Kiev and most girls attend higher education of a min of 5 years, which makes real effect to the mental quality of the girls in addition to the physical properties. That's why, unlike the common misbelief, it's not so easy to persuade them to obey for little sums, when they're pretty sure that they could get much more.
Though SA is a heaven compared to the States, the quality of agencies mentioned on the board is not so high as the ones in Ukraine. Even the cheapest one in Kiev, namely gia.com.ua, enables some girls with a much higher quality and full service including anal for about $50-60 for 1-2 hrs ( This price is an exception for some who are capable, whereas the regular price is as high as $90-100 for those who accept anything at once!!---
don't forget that agencies are also owned by intelligent women as most businesses in Ukraine)
What is more, the most attractive thing for me is to always keep in mind that there could always be the opportunity to have it for almost free on the long term for top quality.
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Member 2001,
A Schengen visa is a visa that allows the holder to visit more than one of the Schengen agreement countries -- Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Iceland, Italy, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden.
It is at least as hard to get as a regular visa to any one of those countries. It's useful if you plan to travel around. You get the visa through the normal procedures from a consulate of the Schengen agreement country that is your primary destination.
It doesn't help you visit Ukraine, and it doesn't help your Ukranian sweetie visit you unless you live in a Schengen country.
Comparing Swiss visas with other western countries doesn't really make sense. The Swiss can be generous about letting people get visas, they keep tabs on everyone and hunt down people who overstay visas or work illegally. Countries like the UK, Canada, US, etc. that pretty much leave you alone once you're in the country have to be more vigilant at the visa-issuance level.
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I will in and around Ukraine until the 17th, where isn't entirely certain.
Should be in Kiev for aat least a few days, so anyone interested in meeting for a drink, please PM me.
I don't have my other emails handy, so PM is probably best.
I can SMS if you provide a contact.
Thanks
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All stats from the CIA factbook
H.I.V adult prevalence rate ( Ukraine ) 2%
H.I.V adult prevalence rate ( Brazil ) 0.07%
People living with H.I.V ( Ukraine ) 250,000
People living with H.I.V ( Brazil ) 610,000
H.I.V Deaths ( Ukraine ) 11,000
H.I.V Deaths ( Brazil ) 8,400
Take your pick, there isn't much between them. Personally I will stick to Ukrainian gals, as I just can't get enough of those lovely Slavic ladies. Anyway, I guess comparisons between the two aren't productive in the end.
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Any body familiar with the agency Stars From Heaven? I saw the report that said they are hard to reach in the Ukraine but are they real? Are the pictures real?
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Is this true? Are Ukrainian girls intellectually oriented? More so than Romanians? They want more in life than just to go to the disco? You can actually have an intellectual discussion with them?
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Vegamars
Loved your reply, truer words were never spoken.
However, after too many years here, I, too, have had the so-called privilege of seeing the visa process first hand for Ukrainians. I have taken holidays with girlfriends. I had stood in those queues, I have seen and heard the entire process from start to finish. I know in great detail what the consulates want and how these documents are obtained.
If things were as bad a you seem to say, transport from Ukraine to Western Europe should be empty. In actual fact, they are fairly full and most travelers are Ukrainians! On most flights that I take to Western Europe, I would guess at least 60% of the passengers are Ukrainians with a much higher percentage on trains and almost 100% on buses! 99.9% of all these people get their visas the normal way, not out the backdoor. Just drive by the consulates in the afternoons and see the queues who are there to get their visas when they hand them out. This is almost everyday all over the city.
Now as for that backdoor, the real problem is the applicant. I would say that the rate of denial for ladies from ages 17 or 18 to about 25 years of age is much higher than any other category. The rate is likely higher if she is attractive. The consulates somehow look upon these ladies as pursuing something more than a normal tourist visit. That may be the only reason for a special payment.
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Member #2001
There is a SW scene somewhat like a Moscow tochka. It exists in about 3 or 4 major highways leading in and out of Kiev. The main one is Prospekt Peremohy from the center to the Ring Road starting from 10-11 at night. However, this is strictly for those who really want an adventure on the very wild side. The quality ranges from just OK to horrors. Many are druggies and the chances of STDs or AIDS is fairly good. The up side is that prices could be $20 or less. I don't do this scene but drive by real fast.
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Chuponalgas
I have no reason to disbelieve the fact that these are actual ladies on the two sites so I am impressed. I am also impressed by the prices.
I am not sure that you can really compare Ukraine with Brazil and Argentina in terms of economics. Argentina's economy not too long ago went into a serious tailspin and is a basket case right now. Prices have to be low since the local guys also don't seem to have as much earning power. Brazil is better but it is still a third world nation staggering along. Slums and rampant poverty are much more prevalent there than in Ukraine. It exists here but Ukraine has by comparison with Argentia or Brazil, a much better safety net but one that is also very frayed as well.
Ukraine's economy is fairly solid and is growing at an 7-9% pace every year now for several years. The economic situation here is much better and prices should also reflect that healthier growth. As I said earlier, local prices are $40/$50 for the first hour, all services as well, so we are not looking at any huge disparity.
I hope you have a good time here and let us know your thoughts.
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Interesting comments Uke Boy. In all the times I have been in Kiev I never new that those places existed, because I never had a need to go anywhere by car, except to, and from the airport (Kiev has an excelent transportation system).
I usally try to pick up girls in the center near the statue of time and distance, or something. Its accross from the metro station Khreshetic. I have also had some luck just walking around and talking to girls on the street. I have never considered these places to be good for finding sw's though.
For mongering I like to walk around in cities in the south and find girls in a group of 2 or more. I dont like to say the name of the cities that I have been to, because then forieners go there the prices increase 200%
Anyway I might try to look at those highways next time I am in town, which I hope will be fairly soon. It wouild be interesting for me to take a look for myself. I dont think I will try them out though.
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Flew in on a packed BA flight with mostly Ukranians. O'brians was quiet at 8pm, a few expats, Cafe111 was empty at 9:30pm, was impressed with the rotating bar though and the security wearing the latest blue digital camouflage. Was initialy a bit imtimidated by this but went in, they asked my age which I have never been asked in Uk because of my height. When I told them got free entry, which was just as well as it was empty. This seems to be a bit like Stockholm, don't even think about going out until midnight.
Went to bar Moda, which was deserted except for a few girls dancing by themselves, stuck it out until midnight when the crowd arrived. Was quite competive, if you checked prices and moved on the next guy was in light a shop. Got one girl down from $200 to $150 but was too tired to be bothered. After walking down the main street was a bit disappointed with the quality, they were nice enough but there are some tall, stacked girls just having a beer on a bench in town. Will try promemading tonight, wonder if they speak any English?
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OK, I blew it and have not yet gotten my Visa for my visit in August. When I was last in Kiev, 1998, it was possible to get one at Borispil for $50. It this still possible? Does anyone hava any other suggestions for short notice visa?
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Re VISA-
you can try posting your question to travelinukraine.com
I got my visa in about 2 weeks, though on th 21 day process.
It was expensive though. ($300 for 3 year)
You will want to phone companies like gotorussia.com and speak with them. They now have offices in San Francisco and Atlanta. (or something like that)
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It's always possible to get last-minute visas at any airport in any city, but your chances will be quite low and you'll have to go through a lot of questions, waiting for a long time, great distress and inconvenience.
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Based From my experience:
One time for five yeres ago, in 1999, I Arrived In the BORISPOL airport, and I do not have a visa, the do not want to let me in, and I most go back to the USA, my money was like going in the river or in the trash.
So even do not try to come in kive wite out a visa.
her555
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John Quakman
It is NOT at all possible to get last-minute visas at any airport in any city.
Airlines are now required to check the visas of all air passengers BEFORE boarding. If you do not have a visa, you do not board. The reason for this is if the airline does overlook your lack of documents or if they are out of date, the airline is fined by the Ukrainian government for allowing you to cross the border. The airline is also forced to place you on the return flight at their expense.
The chances of getting a visa here at the airport or any airport is nil.
Beansed is right, try using a visa service company. You will pay an extra fee but better that than being deported.
Good luck.
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I have seen with my own eyes a lot of people getting visas at the airports of Kiev, Odessa, Kishinev, Minsk, Dniepropetrovsk, Moscow, etc. though it's commonly known as impossible to receive last-minute touristic visas.
Of course, the officials wouldn't want all people queing and fighting for visas at the airport.
It's quite difficult and more costly to get such visas, but not impossible if the regulations have not changed during the last couple of months.
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Vegamars
You might recall the first time we differed. Your eyes said the weather in Kiev was very nice and I was looking out the window in Kiev that very moment and seeing something altogether different. Same with the visa issue, I guess.
Since you have stated before in this forum that you personally do not need a visa for Ukraine, your expertise in this area is lacking. I suspect that if you have seen anyone trying to get a visa at the airport these days (and I have not) these would more than likely be citizens of Hungary, Poland, Slovakia, Bulgaria and other former Soviet bloc nations whose visa requirements are not or were not the same as those for most forum readers who are from the USA and the EU.
EU and USA citizens are checked for visas before they leave for Ukraine. Being denied boarding and losing your money not just on the ticket but also the entire trip is a very expensive lesson. A bigger loss than money is losing the opportunity to meet the ladies here.
How many want to risk that for a document relatively easy to get?
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You know that it's a different Kiev I'm talking about, the special city of my dreams.
I think a temperature of +5-6 C and sunshine throughout the day for a couple of consecutive days at the end of November can be considered as hot for Kiev.
If you're careful enough, you can see the visa desks in airports of Kishinev, Moscow, Minsk, Odessa and Kiev with some Westerners waiting for fun and some mongering action.
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Vegamars
I guess your Kiev is located somewhere near the equator.
Quickly checking back, it was not +5 but +1 and it had been overcast and occasionally foggy for a couple weeks, not sunny. November can be brutal as well. Two years ago, there was snow almost every day.
I will defer to your knowledge of Kishinev and Minsk. It has been too long since I have been there.
But as for Moscow, Odessa and Kiev, if you are from the EU or the USA and any other nation without a reciprocal visa-free travel agreement, if you come in without a visa the only lady you will be chatting with will be wearing a Border Guards uniform. Some of them are lookers but that is not the time you want to be meeting with them.
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Is it possible to enter the Ukraine using a Russian Federation visa?
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From which of the two countries is it easier to get a visa?
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I have to agree with Uke Boy, Every time I get to the airprt before I leave they are cheking for the Visa. I have not seen anywhere about getting a Visa at entry.
I have however used a visa service but it still took about a week and a half to get it done useing the service and 3 day processing.
Well thats my 2c worth.
I really miss Ukraine and wish I could go back alot sooner and stay. Its nice to dream big.
later guys and have fun.
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I just wanted to add my support to the visa discussion and agree it is impossible to enter Kiev without having a visa in advance. I know its been said a few times, but this strikes me as a fairly critical point to reiterate to anyone planning a trip from EU or USA.
It is possible and quiet easy, at least in London, to obtain a visa to either Russia or Ukraine through any of the visa services in 72 hours (costs around £140 all in - search online). My record for obtaining a visa to EE was just under 48 hours through one of these places, although this included using a borderline fake address as my contact place.
A few months ago, a colleague of mine was denied a visa to Russia as some of their paperwork was allegedly out of order. They had applied around 5 weeks prior and after chasing the embassy they finally turned them down the day before travel. Long story made short, they called me at 7pm, I phoned a Russian friend of mine, the Russian London network flew into action and by 11.30pm that night we had the visa in return for around £350 for a variety of "special fees". Moral is that very last minute visas for EE can be obtained in the country of origin in return for cash and if you know the right people. Even then you are taking a leap of faith its legitimate.
Maybe it's possible to bribe a customs officer at the airport too - do you really want to take the risk? Put it this way - would you ever try and bribe a customs officer in EU or USA? Now do you really want to try this for the first time at Ukraine or Russian customs?
Use any of the online services and you'll be fine, but unless you are really confident in this area I would highly reccomend not trying your luck for a visa at a Russian or Ukrainian airport, especially not Kiev, SPB or Moscow.
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It is possible to get a visa at the airport. But only in Odessa and Simferopol. This kind of visas are turistvisas, so you need also a voucher of an travel agency. Visa will cost about 30 $.
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Quack-O !
Download the visa application from the ukraine consualte website, fill it out and include the name of a travel agent from Kiev. Then just fed ex priority overnight it with your passport and your plane ticket, and the fees ($300) to them in washington, with a pre-paid return fed ex envelope inside. You'll have your visa in your hand in 3 or 4 days. Couldn't be any easier.
Shit, if only the pussy was that simple!
Have a nice time, do not forget your camera. You're now due to post some gushy stuff.
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I'm pretty good with my memory of dates.
It was actually snowing everyday when I was trying to travel by train from Minsk to Kiev 2 years ago in November.
Last November it was quite hot, though this is the other Kiev I'm talking about.
I'm not asserting that you can get a last-minute visa for 100% at the airport, but I'm just trying to point out especially in Ukraine anything is surprisingly possible if you have the right connections and know exactly what to follow up.
Don't forget that even if you've got a visa beforehand, it doesn't guarantee your entry into the country and you've still got to know how to act in emergencies.
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I have NEVER heard of anybody getting turned away from entrance to ukraine if you have a visa. They want your MONEY!
Yea I guess anything is possible if you know the president of the country, otherwise I would not but to much into that other post.
About getting into the coutry you have to contact the consulate closest to where you are at.
http://www.ukrchicago.com/consular/english/index.html
This is the closest one near to my location and it lists the prices clearly for visas along with other usefull information.
I would never enter into a country without a visa. Im my opion it could end in a catastrophy.
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Listen to Uke Boy, he knows what he's talking about. US and EU citizens aren't not allowed to board the plane going to Kiev if they don't have a visa. International airlines' know which passport holders need/don't need visas to whichever country the airline is flying to. And it's not just for Ukraine, it's for international flights in general. An American without a visa for Brazil won't be allowed to board the plane to Rio De Janeiro in Miami.
And please don't try bribing the passport control or customs officials at Borispol. It'll get you into trouble faster than you can say aha. Rule of thumb - never pull out or talk about money unless the other party brings it up. This goes for customs officials who are giving you hard time, militia finding your documents "out of order" etc.
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Yo Vegamars,
Thanks for the info - can you elaborate on what you mean by "to know how to act in emergencies"?
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"Whatever you end up doing though, you will have to talk to these girls, they defintely won't approach you, pro or otherwise. It is against their mentality... a cultural mindset in which real men go and get what they want and shy men that don't are just weak."
Yes, you have to talk to the girl. She is not going to come to you
and say "Hey you, my knight in the shining armor, traveler of seven seas, here in my country halfway across the world desperate since you can't get any tail in your own, thinking since the average official wage here is $300 throwing some $50 Euro bills around will impress me out of my panties, come hither and we'll go back to my parent's two bedroom apartment where I live with my five brothers and sisters and hump like bunnies till your dick falls off."
So, to make a long story short, yes, you have to talk to the girl and tell her all that yourself :).
And learn Russian. It will help.
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One of the real problems in Ukraine is that the laws and rules can be and are often applied arbitrarily. This leads to the confusion that is so prevalent with such an issue as the visa. The rules can change so quickly that your only safe course of action is to get your visa from the nearest Ukrainian consulate before you leave.
Nemez has stated that you can get a visa at the airport in Odessa or Simferopol if you have a tourist voucher. However, this is only a single entry visa good for the length of stay in your voucher with a possible maximum of 14 days. I just checked a few web sites and even with this "rule," the amount of confusing and contradictory information is amazing.
The real problem is that you are now face to face with the Border official, you have paid for the flight and maybe even the hotels, and you are told "denied." Could happen, as Vegamars has mentioned.
The chances are it won't but if you have the time, get the visa BEFORE you leave and try and stay as far far away from or spend as little time with any official, be they border guards, customs, police or bureaucrats. That is only asking for trouble.
Snowy is very correct. Trying to bribe any official in Ukraine (as anywhere) could be hazardous to your personal situation. Jails are very ugly places here. Having any bureaucrat in Ukraine do you favors in return for cash is an art, something locals know how to do in the proper manner but not foreigners, especially if they are experiencing this for the first time. Don't even think of trying it. The only exception is such as being stopped by the police, is to pay if asked for a specific amount.
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Ludovico
No, it is not possible to enter the Ukraine using a Russian Federation visa. You also cannot enter Russia with a Ukrainian visa.
From my experience, it is far easier to get a Ukrainian visa.
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Nemez has stated that you can get a visa at the airport in Odessa or Simferopol if you have a tourist voucher. However, this is only a single entry visa good for the length of stay in your voucher with a possible maximum of 14 days. I just checked a few web sites and even with this "rule," the amount of confusing and contradictory information is amazing.
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I researched this a bit the last few months and its an Odessa seasonal thing not even mentioned on the offical sites.
According to one site, the government has been known to turn this on and off at will without warning or reason.
Even knowing if its in effect would be left to primarily country specific travel agencies.
There is also one for cruise line passengers that gives up to 72 hours or so, but I doubt anyone cares about that.
A recent articale in the Kyiv Weekly hints of changes in the passport, customs and immigration areas. (some many never see the light of day) The when would be the big question.
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I need more info Brothers? Can any one help me out here? I see old posts but I need the new info Brothers. I have the visa thing done the apartment thing done,. I need help with the ladies, girls, prices,pros, all the rest? I want to have the best time I can have there in Kiev. I will be there in september around the 10 for 15 days If you guys want to hook up I am there. I like the best looking girls, I want the barbi dolls fake every thing so long as thy are hot Hot! So can I get some help. You guys are the best at this kind of stuff. I want in on the action.
All the best Brothers,
Tommy NYC
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Thnks her555 I will try thet lovly girl.
She is beutiful
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Thanks Uke Boy,
Now, I was wondering if like me you are considering a mongering trip for about 10 days, what type of visa should you get? I have seen there are tourist, private and business visas available. Also, is it better to go to your local Ukrainian consulate and arrange it yourself or get one of these Ukrainian companies to sort it out for you and send you a letter of invitation?
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I hope that we can once and for all put the visa to rest.
YOU SHOULD GET YOUR VISA BEFORE YOU LEAVE FOR YOUR UKRAINE VISIT!
Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
Anything anyone else tells you will put you into possible serious risk of financial losses, not to mention not being able to see the ladies here.
Can we return to that topic of the ladies here, please?
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I was curious about the request by Tucker so did a username search. Looks like one somewhat useful post about Argentina. There are requests for info here in Kiev and also Dubai and thinking about Poland (all September). It will be interesting to read the experiences Tucker has after September passes.
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Ludovico
Just get a tourist visa, simple, cheap and quick.
If you go to the consulate yourself, first download any applications that are on the website of the nearest consulate and fill it out. Take it along with photos to the consulate and chances are good that you will have to wait in a long queue, especially in summer.
If spending a few hours and maybe more than one visit to the consulate is not for you, then use a local visa service. These services usually know what needs to be done and do things very efficiently, for a price.
By the way, if you have a EU or US passport no need for that silly letter of invite, just the application is enough.
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OK, solved the Visa thing thanks to advice here now I have to try and solve a place to stay. I read here the Dnipro Hotel is monger friendly and is the best choice in Hotels however I perfer a flat. Any recent experiences that anyone can reccomend?
I have inquired about a guide and translator service similar to the service Zergut used in Febuary, VIPGateway, but they do not respond to thier email and have no phone listed. Snowy also posted about a service Translator he used but again no response. Any other suggestions.
Finally, I will arrive on 11 Aug until 15 Aug and would like to meet up with any like minded guys who are around during that time.PM me and maybe we can hook up.
I know that all this info comes with a price so you can count on several long posts with pictures of my adventures!
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uaapartments.com were excellent. In Odessa now, the apartments aren't such high quality here. Odessa is like Paris after a bomb has gone off.
Club report, Hollywoods is now called Freedom and the disco is closed until september. Opium was dead on saturday so went to Decadance. Imagine a street in New York with double parked Hummer, Lincoln Navigator and other suv's all in black with blacked out windows. The guys don't dance so had the girls to myself, thought i had died and gone to heaven. Thursday went to a place called Tchaikosky, that was good scene as well. I have had some mind blowing experiences in Kiev. Not sure you would believe me if I shared!
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Goldfinger,
It's funny you should bring up the thing about the guys not dancing. Usually the guys sit at the table, talk and drink, and their girls are dancing on the floor by themselves.
Here's the thing, however. If they see you trying to dance up with their chick, they'll come thundering to the dance floor. At first, I used to tell them fuck off, but trust me, that doesn't work too well with these mafia types. And these folks with the big black cars are all mafia (or higher up politisia). I've got in trouble with this quite a bit, and now try to see the girl is not with anyone.
Another thing - if you go to a club and start chatting up too many girls, some of the local guys start getting jealous. They'll stare at you, whisper to their friends etc. It's nothing dangerous, but it creates problems. At one club, I danced with several girls, and then went out to the toilet. One return, the guard at the door wouldn't let me back in. I told him I had my stuff inside, he still refused. I wasn't going to give up that easily, but a militisia officer I had I met a couple of days earlier showed up out of nowhere at the door from inside and told the guard to let me in. Had a drink with this guy, and he invited me to join his group of colleagues. Guess what? One of the younger guys started very aggresively demanding money from me. They were in plainclothes, but you can't walk away from them either. I got away without having to pay, but not before things got pretty nasty. And I didn't want any of this crap, I was just there to have a good time.
Point is - attracting too much attention to yourself is also a problem. Some people here have said to act as macho as you can. I don't agree with that. Their sample size is fairly small, and there are exceptions, but as a foreigner it is best to strike a balance - be confident but don't go around giving the idea that you think you own the place. Remember that story about a dog doesn't like other dogs to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] in his territory.
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As you know there are two Kievs, whether we believe you depends on which version you're talking about!
The one as cold as ice or as hot as it can be?
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Thanks Uke Boy,
I've definantly decided that my next foreign adventure will be in Kiev. All that remains for me to do is to save as much cash as possible and to get as much good advice as possible from this thread.
By the way, do people in Ukraine expect you to pay for services (general or not), in dollars, euro's or local currency?
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Well I am just back from 3 weeks in Ukraine and Russia. I spent my first week in Kiev and it was wonderful! If you want beautiful sexy and numerous women Kiev is great!
I had a wonderful apartment in the center about a block from McDonalds. The place was very nice clean very modern and the girls loved it.
I must say the people were very friendly and nice and girls are everywhere. I really do love thong season.
The first night I found a very cute 25 year old blond in the center for $100 for 2 hrs with everything offered. What I find amazing is how unlike american women these girls seem to really love sex! Now I know I could have paid less but WOW was she hot!
Night 2 was River Palace night and there was plenty to pick from. I had complete overload for a while. I ended with a 23 slim tiny blond who literally drained me every way possible for $150. She started at 250 but was very willing to come down in price when I laughed at her.
The next 4 days were spent with a girl I met from the internet and all I can say is Holy Shit! She looked just like Michelle Phiefer and turned plenty of heads. She lived in a small village several hours away by bus. I mean small 2000 people. She has no running water lives with her mom and takes care of her and looked like a million bucks! In the states this gal would turn every head. This was all free! I really like free! I did spend a couple hundred dollars on her for gifts but not at her request. She also treated my money like it was hers. Really she was tighter than I was. I had a world class tour of Kiev for several days and a tour around the world every night.
I really can reccomend this method if you want true GFE. It takes some time and effort but if you do your homework the results are amazing! If you need details PM me. I used this method for all 3 weeks and as a first time visitor with no Russian skills the results were just amazing!
My take is Kiev had the sexiest women and were the friendliest people. A very nice city. I look foreward to returning.
I encountered no problems with customs or the police and even asked for directions a couple times. Now I am 40 overweight and not a god but I am extroverted and confident and this is like shooting fish in a barrell and so much more fun.
All I can say is if you havn't been there you need to see it to believe it. And if you are there often I am truly envious of all your oppertunities.
Sorry no pictures but next time I will have a digital camera.
Thanks for all the advice and if anyone needs help PM me.
[blue]Hi,
This is just a suggestion, so please don't take it the wrong way.
I appreciate the details in your report, but I know from experience that a lot of people find it easier to read a report if the paragraphs are separated by a single blank line.
I know how this happens: You're banging away at the keyboard, putting your thoughts into the report as fast as you can write them. However, if you could hit the return key TWICE at the end of each paragraph, your report would be much easier to read, which would certainly be appreciated by your fellow Forum Members.
Thanks,
[i]Jackson[/i][/blue]
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Ukraine is what the Beatles sang about
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Ukraine is the place to go. Thanks to many here who helped with info. It is difficult to believe how anyone could stay married very long with so many deadly women.
Kiev is hard to beat.
No stopping for papers by any type of police or Militia. I encountered no, repeat no prejudice or bad treatment . Of the few blacks or asians I did encounter, none had anything bad to report. Friendly people, easy to talk to, if they happen to speak English.
The wildlife (girls on the street) far better than anywhere in SE Asia, Moscow, Mexico or other parts of Europe. (I have been to 40 countries). All of Vogue could be published off girls you might see in a day. The #1 export product is clearly the women, since you find them in almost every men's Club in the world.
Once there, grab the Kyiv Post (section 3) for good club listings, things to do and a few classifieds. (its in English). Learning some Cyrillic is important, as most signs dont use the latin alphabet. Customs only cares about cash you are carrying in or out and its easier than many western countries beyond the wait, as in Russia.
I too had a great experience with UAApartments and also great ease and low expense to buy travel through American Express in Kiev (a contract agency) They also had the best cash exchange rate. Of course the English was pretty important.
All in All, the daily cost, far outweighs the cost of the VISA. best to get a 3 year multi-entry , as it saves you money in the long run and you will have no choice, but to return.
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Hey, you've found the Kiev I've been talking about, congratulations!
I know how you feel, you wanna get back as quickly as possible.
It's always the same feeling, no matter how many times you visit.
I guess you get used to some things and have a different view when you're living in a city. For real scene, just be a visitor.
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Does anybody know anything about renting office space in Kiev?
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Due to the number of PM's I have gotten here is the method I used to meet regular girls. I know it works and will work for you as well.
Due to the number of requests I have had I am sending this to all of you and if you need more specific info write me back.
I did a lot of home work before I left on a lot of sites to know what to look for and what to say and expect so this was for me a 6 month process and in reality you will need at least2 or 3 months to do it right.
I am 40 and all the sites I read said to keep the age difference between 5 and 15 years so I searched for girls fron 29 to 35. Now there are hundreds of sites to use but the best for me was FriendFinder.com not I repeat not Adultfriendfinder. It costs 50 dollars for 6 months and is a bargin.
I typed one introduction letter I used for all and customized the first and last paragraph to each girl. I only searched for girls who were active in the last 3 days and that way I knew they were also looking. I can not stress this enough... The letter must be open and friendly and must tell little personal things like I love sunsets or hot coffee in the morning. Also tell a little about friends and family and your work but never brag. I know this sounds corny but I promise it will work.
I sent out 20 letters in the first week and had 18 responses. From there I wrote each twice more and then settled on the best 3. I did not pick girls from Kiev or Lugansk. Kiev because I was visiting there and it was no real treat for them to meet me and Lugansk because of the scammers.
After all this I wrote about 3 or 4 times a week to each just talking about everything but never sex. I did this for a couple months till I was sure they were hooked and then I said I would love to meet them and they were thrilled. Each thought they were the only one and I was comming to see just them. I need to say this is true in the sense that I had a different girl in each city.
Now I was a first time visitor so I wanted to do all the tourist stuff in the day and I speak no russian so this is an amazing way to go. They will take you all over the city much cheaper than you can and show you all the cool tourist stuff plus other things.
You just need to treat them with respect and be nice. In all 3 cases the first night they slept on the couch but night 2 was wild and crazy. I did not push it and they all came to me and the sex was amazing.
No it was not free I paid for everything we did and bought all 3 girls gifts from the U.S. and some clothes when I was with them. The total for each girl was about 200 dollars so still a bargin.
By using this I kept the first 2 or last 2 days free in each city to have the P4P girls and Then was able to expirence the cities better than a tourist tour for little expense with great sex.
Now I must say all these girls are looking to get married and I was up front and said I was also if I found the right girl....well maybe upfront.
If you do this right it will work like a dream. The Miclelle Phiefer look alike was 35 and so hot I drool even now!
Good luck pm me with questions
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Just Do it:
As someone with very little freebie experience, your method fascinates me. Similar methods have been tried and shared by other members. A notable, witty example is that of the "Havanaman", narrated in the form of a "scientific study"!
Now, please tell us a little about the aftermath. You mentioned you kept the last two days free in each city; how did you "break free" from the girls, after scoring the night before? Also, what did you do when you got back home? Did you simply stop responding to their e-mails, or did you excuse yoursef?
Regards,
Sexplorer
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In fact, there's an incredible number of searching freebies among the 15-25 age range and in my opinion it's much easier and quicker to get response and action from this age group when compared to the 26-35 age range.
I've observed that it's completely needless to use any paysites. You could even search through the messenger to contact hundreds.
For the quickest result to the endpoint, being brave and expressing yourself in a confident way to reflect your aim openly is the ultimate way of success. Don't forget that you have one common point with these freeby chicks, that is to share a new adventure, so what's the point of waiting and losing time?
Of course, the best way is to direct your business in such a wise way that you'll face an unevitable direct face-to-face contact with all kinds of opportunities and not just suffice with internet-fishing.
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Sexplorer,
In the first 2 cities I visited I kept the first 2 days open and then had the girls join me. The last city I kept the last 2 days free. This was easy as I told her I had a flight out and made sure mine was well after hers so I took her to her train and just returned to the apartment.
I wrote to all 3 when I returned 3 days ago. Two to thank and a see you someday letter and the third well we really hit it off and will see each other again. Who knows where that will lead but I can say this she is more intelligent and fun and witty than any woman I have met in years. I should also note that she was the least beautiful of the 3. Still very hot just not Michelle Phiefer.
Also I set up a seperate email account to use just for this.
I know there are plenty of free sites to do this at but the friendfinder site was by far the easiest and they all have a least a little English ability.
In my first letter I included my new email address and I also phoned each of the 3 girls several times using onesuite. This was a very cheap way to phone and thanks to this board for helping me find it.
This method worked wonders for me and I am sure it can work for anyone who is articulate and can express themselves. If you have any other questions just ask.
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I will be in Kive from August 15 to August 30.
Can any one give me contacts and info from girl's blond's, toll, tine. and she shel let me french kissing her.
Thanks in advance, and all the best for you.
Her555
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here's an article i found. it makes for quite an interesting read so i thought i'd share it.
the issue of the world’s oldest profession well known to all was raised last monday by a team of researchers from the ukrainian institute for social research, led by olha balakirieva, candidate of sciences in sociology, during the presentation of the book, the sex business in ukraine: a tentative social analysis. those present discussed the legal, economic, social, and other aspects. the book is based on a study carried out by ukrainian sociologists jointly with the unaids program in ukraine and supported by the german government. it is actually ukraine’s first attempt to practice a scientific approach to the notoriously controversial issue of prostitution. uisr polled 636 women involved in the sex industry in ukraine’s twelve large cities and complemented it with a fundamental analysis of the legal framework.
“is there prostitution in ukraine? no. are there prostitutes? yes.” this once popular soviet anecdote is no longer funny, for the reality is too grim. there are no reliable prostitution statistics, yet sociologists believe this to constitute no obstacle to studying the issue. “it is demanded by the times,” ms. balakirieva told the day, adding that the need is obvious without even stepping into the street. press, television, police (militia), border guard, and foreign ministry reports are all alarming signals that prostitution in ukraine is gaining a threatening scope. after the ussr’s collapse, ukrainian women without visas but on call have become quite popular on the sex market the world over.
hustling overseas
a number of trend-setting international agreements are currently in effect regulating the sex industry in practically all countries, particularly the 1949 un convention for the suppression of traffic in persons and the exploitation of prostitution by third parties, whereby pimping, or procurement, is criminally prosecuted (ukraine acceded to the convention in november 1954).
meanwhile, different national laws interpret the sex industry differently, reads the uisr book and offers interesting examples. such laws dealing with prostitution could be divided into three groups: (a) those decriminalizing prostitution, (b) restricting, and (c) abolishing it. of these the first group deserves special notice.
holland, germany, australia, greece, sweden, israel, turkey, peru, ecuador, and other countries have long shown tolerance toward prostitution. “by introducing this system, the state tries to keep track of prostitutes; they must have special medical certificates,” write the authors, stressing that revenues in the sex industry are taxed.
in turkey, for example, a woman embarking on the world’s oldest career is relieved of her id papers as a citizen and is issued instead a prostitute id card and a medical certificate where the results of weekly checkups are entered (a so-called pink card). in greece, a prostitute is considered illegal unless duly registered; if arrested, she will be prosecuted and could get a prison term. in germany, prostitution income is referred to as miscellaneous, and the rates are higher than the rest, reads the uisr book. also, german prostitutes are denied tax exemptions, old-age pension and social protection (the german civil code does not refer the sex industry to business). in france, the owners of brothels and streetwalkers are levied taxes referred to budget revenues.
a host of other examples could be cited. however, the important thing is that by decriminalizing prostitution the state can not only exercise medical, fiscal, and law enforcement control over the lewd livelihood but also automatically place extramarital affairs on a basis of business self-regulation. first, it is clear that most customers feel more enthusiastic about legally and medically controlled red- light institutions rather than solo hustlers. second, the competition in the sex market automatically regulates supply. according to the uisr experts, 80% of dutch prostitutes work for clubs, in the lit windows of the famous red light district or for procurement agencies. naturally, this kind of structuring benefits the state. on the one hand, it simplifies tax procedures; on the other, it helps maintain public order. norwegian law prohibits “vulgar conduct in the street.” in germany, a streetwalker in the wrong place at the wrong time can be arrested and given administrative punishment. in great britain, with its limited decriminalization stand, “the law looks for ways to avoid serious problems for society; prostitutes are forbidden open solicitation in public places, they cannot behave provocatively and hang around waysides.”
such excessive permissiveness (by ukrainian standards) has a number of hazardous aspects. morality is not the biggest problem, including the civil law inferiority of all those call girls. renting one’s body for sexual activity is a matter of personal choice, in any case and in any country, while the moral responsibility seems to rest with the prostitute’s customer in equal measure. olha balakirieva noted that it is practically impossible to regulate the sex industry. uisr experts offer statistics reading that 400 prostitutes were officially registered in athens in 1995, with some 5,000 hustling off the record; about 5,000 in germany, with approximately 150,000 actually employed in the sex industry. “a large number of migrant prostitutes cannot get registered, having no social status in this or the other country,” they write in the book. “as a result, most such women not only face punishment from the authorities, but also fall into the hands of criminal dealers.” what happens afterward is described rather discretely: “hard ordeals with unpredictable consequences.” what countries do women emigrate from in search of a better living? this is a rhetorical question.
how and why here
true to soviet tradition, ukraine prohibits and declares its resolve to uproot prostitution. contrary to the plummeting cultural standard, the sociologists point out, the state is dedicated to combating all manifestations of immorality. this is a very proper stand, of course, but market demand begets supply. moralizing on decriminalization perhaps makes no sense under the circumstances, just as no legal or other taboos are going to have any effect. moreover, as zaporizhzhia lawyer ruslan synelnyk told the day, the “absence of prostitution” in the soviet union caused the legal framework of control over the sex industry in ukraine to remain embryonic. prostitution is banned. how, then, can one discuss any shortcomings of the legislation? answers to this question are found on all big ukrainian city streets and sidewalks.
until recently, ukrainian fallen women were given only administrative punishments. under article 181, chapter 14 of the administrative code of ukraine, prostitution (engaging in sexual activity in exchange for payment in money, expensive presents, alcoholic drinks, etc.) entailed a warning or a fine in the amount of 5-10 untaxed minimum citizen’s incomes; such conduct repeated during the same year entailed a fine of 8- 15 such incomes. naturally, such punishments (soviet relics) could not guide such women to the straight and narrow. on the contrary, the sex market thrived (a good example of state deregulation of the business sector). “the sex business in today’s ukraine is a socioeconomic phenomenon, because its blossoming is stipulated by our realities,” write the authors of the tentative social analysis, pointing to objective reasons: incomes that cannot keep a person above even the poverty line, unemployment, etc. doubtless, they are right in very many respects.
yet, their poll shows that the situation is far more complex. 73% of the responding prostitutes explained their occupation by being loath to earn token money sitting in some office; 49% believe that “the sex business is no better or worse than any other job,” and 20% simply like it. what is this? final moral degradation, determination to earn much and quickly? despair? or both? most unmarried call girls replied that they would quit once they met a decent man, a reliable lifelong companion, the alternative being a decent job allowing to make at least as much as they did, employing their body (an average of around 800 hryvnias a month). be it as it may, the ukrainian government is apparently unable to secure the citizenry a living wage of $100-150.
all this presents far from the biggest hardships confronting the authorities in their attempt to uproot prostitution using the law. after the ussr collapsed, the controls over the sex industry controls stayed unmanned only a short while. asocial elements considerably more dangerous than prostitution took over procurement and supply on the other side of the law. thus, actually, they made white slave trade a threatening and intractable problem.
the new criminal code (enacted by verkhovna rada last september) makes women employing their body for sexual activity criminally prosecutable. ruslan synelnyk told the day that the pertinent articles envisage criminal prosecution only when carrying the plague of the twenty-first century and “systematically offering sexual services.” “apparently, proving both the former and latter is practically rather difficult. there are no means of effectively combating prostitution in ukraine today,” stressed the lawyer. meanwhile, tightening the screws legally has made the promiscuous women even more leery of pimps; the new legislation allows the latter an extra edge on their charges. this is all true enough.
the sociology of domestic abolitionism
“the girls work to support their families, children, and to pay the militia. i’ll never believe there is an honest militiaman,” a kharkiv prostitute complained to the uisr pollsters, revealing yet another amazing, albeit easily explicable, problem of the profession. in fact, 45% of the respondents pointed to the omnipotent law enforcement authorities as their greatest peril (only 18% mentioned violence). the problem here is not only law enforcement personnel acting in the line of duty. the sociologists stress that focus group polling shows different patterns of relationships between the law and the prostitutes in different ukrainian cities, “probably depending on the environment that breeds crime in every given region. analyzing interviews with various representatives of the sex business, one often comes across acts of violence and coercion by the law enforcement authorities; women are ordered to part with money and physically abused.” by way of “enriching” the criminal code, law enforcers mete out their own punishment, making prostitutes attend voluntary unpaid work; in this case, the prostitutes must offer their bodies free to all who wish to use them.
together with this, the sociologists write, “the law very often uses such women as valuable sources of information about the underworld.” a call girl in donetsk, for example, admits that “the militia demand information about pimps and customers.” o tempora! o mores! however, such confessions do not shed enough light on the problem of prostitute-police relations. a well-informed source told the day that some law enforcement people, apart from everything else, willingly act as sex industry tax collectors where there is no “protection.” their tax rates are anything but soft: 10-30%. needless to say, none of this money goes to the state budget. what will the state stand to lose by bringing prostitution officially under control? the sociologists’ poll has no answer.
“in actuality, the prostitutes in ukraine constitute a practically unprotected category of the population,” ms. balakirieva told the day. the poll shows that about 60% of call girls have faced various acts of violence. the incidence of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] tends to increase, depending on the given veteran’s service record in the sex market. the highest risk area is in the south of ukraine (as indicated by 68% respondents). kyiv is relatively safe (only two-fifths of the respondents mentioned [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]). 67% admit to having been raped by their customers and 35% by strangers. “there is no use asking the militia for help; they say you’ve made your bed, now lie in it,” says a prostitute from mykolayiv. small wonder, considering that 27% of the respondents insist they were raped by law enforcement personnel.
meanwhile, it should be noted that, cast in the social gutter, a fallen woman can cause far more trouble than the highest carnal delight experienced by her customer. the poll indicates that about half the prostitutes use contraceptives on a regular basis and over 66% indulge in unprotected sex; 37% of the respondents admit to having sustained venereal diseases (of whom 9% got the dose after only six months of work). every sixth prostitute agrees to have unprotected sex for an additional sum; every fourth is on drugs. the list of additional pleasures the customer could get from such women could be made much longer, but the point is that most respondents mention difficulties in getting medical aid. often they are refused even physicals. dr. balakirieva says that aids and vd incidence are two underlying justifications for studying the sex industry in ukraine. it is hard to say how the authorities can find a way out of the situation. one thing is certain. anyone about to send for a call girl should think twice.
№17 may 28 2002 «the day»
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Romantic Tourism
The local term for men coming out for women, and not a label you want.
You kiss them once and they are all over you, highly aggressive. They love compliments, as they seem to get few.
When asked though, vacation\holiday isn't the best answer. Best to be there for business. (Monkey business)
In part, it presents a value for your time.
A friend I spoke to today feels that 22-26 is the correct range for women interested in older men. 26-35, greater lilihood they have been divorced and still have burn marks. It makes it more difficult to get intimate with them. Many use a 10 year frame, but I have found the younger ones really don't care.
Women seem to appreciate well dressed men and she also noted that if you just wear a t-shirt, jeans or a polo shirt, you are dressing like a local man and there isn't that uniquness of being a visitor. These same women definately check you out, although they don't stare you down as in Sweden.
Another item is anger, a few were impressed that I didn't get upset at all. Apparently Eastern European men tend to have a short temper with women. Answers why they are so often subordinate.
Also, try not to drink unless they are, because drunk, lazy men is a real turn-off and very common.
You see all kinds of dumpy looking guys on the plane with women old enough to be their kid, (you wonder how they landed the hot girl) except they are married. (children in tow)
MHO
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Heres a thumbs-up for an agencygirl.
I had planned an 24 hours appointment with Alexandra from escortodessa so I didnt have to feel lonely on arrival. The correspondence with the agency was a bit shaky. It was like only every other email got an answer, but I pushed on. But when I arrived, everything was excactly as I had specified. It was a real GFE no bars held. Both normal sex and bdsm obviously turned this very cute and sexy girl on. I feel in love.
I also went mongering in 111 and Moda. Both good places, especially 111 if you want to take an extremely young model with you home (I didn,t). Standard problem for the shy-guys though. I never had the guts to ask a girl if she was a pro, so nogo there. Resttown on a tuesday was sadass. 4-6 cute, but worn girls, with a whole bunch of weirdo-guys made me want to cry. Maybe the vibe is better on weekends?
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Anyone around Kiev this weekend (July 29 to Aug 03)? Trying to seek out the local non-pro talent.
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I was In kiev, donetsk and lugansk for the last 25 days and yes this place is actually overflowing with girls....
I went to river palace on a monday and it was packed with girls.
bargained with one and she was back with me for $150, the hotel security was not a problem too.
Good BBBJ, No CIM but she fucked the life out of me !!
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Hey, great picture of a beer bottle, white square and your suitcase!!!
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First of all, thanks to everyone for their great reports and feedback. I've done a bit of mongering in several spots in North America and Mexico but after reading all of the great reports about Ukraine I have to see for myself. I'm going to check out the paid scene and also give my best go to finding some freebies.
So based on recommendations here I rented an apartment in Kiev through www.uaapartments.com which was simple. Every email was returned quickly and all questions were answered. I was even able to bargain them down a bit on the price since it was just for one person and I wanted it for seven days.
I also followed Just Do It's advice using Friendfinder.com which also was spot-on. Much better than matchdoctor.com which was a complete bust for me (all the return letters seemed like form letters and you could tell none of the girls really spoke English). The way Friendfinder works is actually pretty cool too in that you automatically know which ladies are checking out your profile which makes it much easier to get in contact with those you like.
I'll be in Kiev from 17 Aug to perhaps the 25th. Would love to hook up with anyone here for a beer - just PM me. It can be fun to hunt with a wing man!
FYI I've only managed to learn about 50 words of Russian
but that was rather fast and simple using a great language course available at www.unforgettablelanguages.com. I did learn the Russian alphabet though and with more time could get enough to get by just from this course. It's a very slick way to learn and they have an online demo which is what sold me. Several days after viewing the demo and promptly making no further efforts whatsoever I still recalled all of the words I'd learned!
Will submit a complete report upon my return. Until then hats off to the great posters who inspired my trip; among them Mangus Man, Vegamars, Beansd, Ukieboy, and several others that should be mentioned but I'm just too lazy to go back and look up their names.
Thanks guys!
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VD Dick.
For all your 25 days there, don't you have ANY pics of all your beautiful Donets'k or Lugans'k girls you discuss? Also, how about some info on Donets'k & Lugans'k prices. Certainly not same as Riverboat brothel $150, right?
By the way, what kind of VD does your dick have, oh sorry, its voo-doo, not vee-dee, well, its only a joke.
Lundgren.
Nice report. So you're saying that you used escortodessa for a girl in Kiev, not in Odessa, right? That makes sense, since I thought that the main escort agency in Odessa is called VIP.
Also, can we know how much you paid for your 24 hours?
Get an e-mail so you can get pm!
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Mangus Man or Lady whatever
Well I Dont have more pics as the girls were more fussy in lugansk, dint have time to fool around in donetsk.
As far as what my dick has...If you are so interested why dont you suck it............just a joke !!!
VD
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I've read all the posts in the Ukraine board (and have likely forgotten half of the great info). But I'm still fuzzy on the topic of money there. In Western Europe I usually just use my ATM card to get Euros from my U.S. bank. However I recall somebody saying there aren't any ATMs in Kiev. Is this true? If there are, do they work the same as western european ones?
Of course the usual fallback is cash since traveler's checks are likely going to be a big pain in Ukraine if it is even possible to use them at all.
So that brings me to the question of cash and customs. I remember several people saying the customs guys want to know how much cash you are bringing in, and how much you leave with. So what's the right thing to do? If I blow half the cash I brought in on ladies are they going to give me a hard time about leaving with a lot less? Would appreciate some advice here.
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To VOO DOG DOO
Oh....so its like that? Ok.
That's cool, yeah. So let's all just calm down here. We can discuss this now.
Mr. Jackson, if you'll indulge us a brief moment for reparte', I'll keep it light, no need to intercede, we're all mature adults, all friends here, right?
So.....I said it was ONLY a joke, didn't I?
See, its just that we're all STILL waiting around for the first Lugans'k and Donets'k girls, and I just had this bad feeling that you blew it, and obviously, well,
do I really need to go on?
You know, if you hadn't BRAGGED about your 25 days, we could have let you slide, but don't you think you were just a bit irresponsible, when YOU had the perfect opportunity to pop those city's cherries on this board. So you actually got off pretty easy, seeing as YOU are the one with the Username of a penis.
And speaking of that, unless you just logged on for the first time, you'd know I have no interest whatsoever in your or any guy's parts. The very idea makes me ill. Nor, like YOU, am I interested in any GUY sucking me, but if that happens to be YOUR particular fancy, may I suggest you head downtown to your favorite queer bar so you can satisfy your now out of the closet desires to have your best buddy blow you behind the bus bench. As far as me and the rest around here are concerned, dicks are specifically for chicks.
You see, you can shoot back one god damn hell of a zinger and call me a Lady or a whatever, but its probably a much safer bet to say that there's more mongers than just me having problems with your story, expecting us to buy that any monger could waste 25 days, let alone 25 minutes in Donets'k, a bustling city of one million, just crawling with skirts, and not even have ANY time to fool with your tool?
Your fussy pussy story about Lugans'k is almost believable, but 3 weeks of gerkin jerkin in a candystore like Ukraine is a virtual crime punishable by sentencing you to the monger's hall of shame!
HEY! ITS A JOKE! GET IT??
Focus! Focus!
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ATM$
ATMs are more common than fire hydrants in Kiev. (followed by casinos)
The larger banks and ATMs give far better exchange than any manned by people. If you must exchange cash, go to American Express Office. (1.5%) Banks charge 3% on travellers checks in addition to other fees to exchange them.
Banks charge fees like brokerage firms do, for everyday transactions. (we all need to own a bank in UKR)
Its a cash economy there so don't expect extensive use of a credit card for goods or services.
All ladies take USD or Euro, but vendors only take local paper.
As many have noted and I experienced, don't worry about anything except what is written on the customs form. Leave with as little cash as possible.
I watched a guy lose some of his money exceeding the limit at Customs,(departing) but he was stupid enough to tell the women he had no problems in the past. (never a good idea to argue with customs) He probbly lost at least a few hundred Euros as I watched his cash get counted ahead of me.
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bob dobbs
lots of atms. beansed's advice is right on the mark. don't waste your time here with traveler's checks. the only places that will cash them are banks, the lines are long and the procedure is a pain in the ass.
if you have more than $1,000 in cash on your way into ukraine, you should declare it by filling out a customs declaration form and making sure the customs officer stamps it. do not lose this document. this document allows you to take out that exact amount of money on your way out.
if you have less than $1,000 either on your way in or out, a verbal declaration is enough. they may ask you to show you the money but then will let you go on your way. just don't play games as they will confirep001e anything they want to if they catch you in a lie. you may also be lucky enough to miss your flight and stay over at the airport for another day.
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To MANGUS LADY MAN
Yes its like that !!!!!!!!!! ok
We can discuss this.....
Well I dint brag about my 25 days in Ukraine, I was there !!!
Its a fact !!
Your bad feelings are your's totally, Please dont be the Judge of other people's experiences. have some on your own and enjoy your life a little !!!
I went to kiev on business and not for mongering, poping a few cherries was a side thing not a priority !!
I posted a picture of a girl I had a good experience with to share with everybody here, not be ridiculed !!
That is the purpose of this board !!
You started this thing but Iam ending it !!
VD
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With much humbleness, I submit this partial report of time spent thus far in Kiev. I have been making a swath through Eastern Europe and have been in Kiev for three disastrous days. My flat, obtained through Alpha Agency, is right off Bessarabska Square and really nice for $50/night. No air conditioning though and it has been very hot and humid here, which just about kills a Vegas boy likeme. Don't know if I've ever sweated so much in my life.
Thursday
Arrived from Kharkov by train. I cannot express how much I hated that city. No center, none of the legendary Ukrainian beauties I hear about. I ate something there that made me sick for days and maybe I'll just attribute my poor showing here in Kiev to that.
Went to Club Tchaikovsky, which was very packed and pretty fun. The cover was 50 hrv, though. The deejays participate just a little bit too excessively for my tastes, making themselves the center of attention. As my intestines were doing cartwheels I really didn't have my best game face on, but I did enjoy some of the sights. I approached one Anna Kournikova lookalike, tried to engage her with my horrible Russian, had a little success, but she was really there just to dance. Nothing else really caught my eye but I'm really just a picky asshole. Went home alone.
Friday
After sleeping twelve hours, still not feeling 100%, did some touristy things during the day, chatted with some locals. No phone numbers, though, as I was still off my game.
Forced myself to the Irish Bar around 10:30pm and ran into the dreaded expatella, cute enough I suppose, from the USA. It took me a good thirty minutes to shake her off, just in time for a group of Aussies/Norwegians to lasso her in. They asked me where to go for fun, and from info from this board I suggested Cocktail 111. They goaded me into going, we lost the American chick and piled into a private car for 10 hrv. They were amazed that I just flagged down a car and they rewarded me with drinks all night long. Funny.
At 111, some beautiful girls mixed in with mostly average ones. I hate to mention stereotypes, but it was no surprise to me that the Norwegians got so intoxicated they got snubbed by every babe in the place and eventually got thrown out. Being the sensitive American male, instead of jettisoning them I babysat, pushed them into a cab and sent them on their way. Went back in for another look, but nothing caught my eye. It was about 4am, and I realized I was also very drunk, but my poor judgement, horniness and high Kiev expectations sent me to the River Palace, just for a looksee. Five minutes inside I realized (a) this place is pretty empty and (b) not my scene. Went home alone.
Saturday
More touristy things during the day. Met a stunning girl at the perfume store during the day ("I'm looking for a nice perfume for my little sister's birthday") and got her number, but have yet to use it. Later at the Irish Bar I met a college professor from California who seems to be on a parallel trip through Europe. We went again to 111 and again it was packed and again the same unappealing ratio of 8-9 to 6-8. We did, however, zero on two unbelievably beautiful girls, both named Natasha, one blond and one brunette (who might have been Georgian, not sure). We danced for about an hour, talked in broken English and Russian, bought them drinks and then heard the dreaded words "Miy jenat" = "We are married." I didn't believe them but the wedding ring tanlines were unmistakable. They laughed and ran out the door. Heartbreaking. Went home alone.
Three strikes and you're out.
I will be here until Wednesday so I hope this terrible dry spell will end. I had lots of free action in St. Petersburg and Moscow so I'm hoping that all the great things I've read about Kiev will eventually bear fruit. I submit this humble report for your amusement and as a reality check to those who expect everything to be automatic.
Zizz
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Uke Boy and Beansed: thanks guys!
Using the ATM is much easier and safer to carry less cash in so I'll do that.
For those of you planning a trip (at least from U.S.) getting a visa is simple. I applied by mail to the San Francisco Ukrainian consulate by printing off the online application. Just read all the instructions carefully and follow them. I figured if I was going to get stuck paying the $100 "application" fee (which is really just a "back atcha" from the Ukrainian government for the U.S's new application fee for foreign visitors) I'd apply for a 5 year multiple entry visa. The cost was $165 total. I received the 5 year tourist visa in about two weeks.
So if you're going to apply and think you might go back, get the 5 year multiple entry visa as the cost isn't that much higher than a single entry.
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Congratulations for doing all the miracles together like going to River Palace at 4a.m and hoping to find any girls in the already-deserted-August-Kiev.
You might try to go to Mandarin Bar at 6a.m for a change.
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Venereal Dizziness VD.
Oo!
So touchy!!
Can't you see, anybody can tell ya, I'm just jealous, that's all.
I wanna work in Ukraine too, you know, but they don't seem to need anymore lazy horndogs.
Feeling quite homesick for the motherland.
Must hang on for a while longer until next opportunity.
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Mangus,
How come you never give the gift of of pictures in my neck of the woods???
By the way...we are looking for someone to run to biggest South Florida escort service now that our leader is on vacation.
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Vegamars,
When are you going to contribute something that will be useful to this forum or even to any other forum where you have a presence. For example, I see that in the Istanbul forum today your "useful" telephone numbers were a complete waste of time. For a lot of us, that is no surprise.
Fizz Bang,
I am not sure just what "type" you are looking for but your ailments may have an impact on your attempts. River Palace, and most any other venue, are best from about midnight to 2 or 3 AM. After that, most places are the truly desperate looking for the even more desperate.
By the way, if the two stunners at 111 on Saturday said they were "zenat" they may have been lesbians. The proper term is "zamuzhem" if they are married to a guy. And I hope you understand that here the marriage band is on the right hand not the left as in the USA.
Why don't you call the perfume store girl? If all else fails, pick up the phone and start calling the agencies.
Good luck
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I've never had the aim of contributing as giving tons of phone numbers will not help anyone, especially if he's wise enough to tell he got it via internet.
Maybe you have no idea, but the phone numbers of the girls in Istanbul are temporary throughout the year and even throughout the day.
I don't need to prove anything by posting pictures and so on. Besides, they're definitely not like the kind of ordinary photos of ordinary quality on the forum and I wouldn't wanna turn everything upside down all of a sudden.
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Vegamars,
Let me get this clear in my mind. In the Istanbul forum you deliberately gave out phone numbers that you now admit were useless when you gave them out. It does place in doubt the truth or accuracy of all of your other contributions.
No one is asking you for pictures or phone numbers here, although I do recall the one picture you posted in this forum was a murky long distance shot of some girl in front of a church. It definitely was not an ordinary picture since we would need a microscope to see the lady's face.
You don't have to prove anything to anyone but it would be nice if you would post something useful sometimes.
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Yeah, I admit now, I've made it all up!!
I've been talking about a different Kiev anyway, one totally in my dreams.
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Ho hum.
Basta perrogi!
Oh Smegma, the only thing more boring than your dreary monger's philosophy is your contrived huffiness.
Yookie, leave him alone. That awesome church girl photo is his life's greatest accomplishment, his ultimate peak and all time personal best. Its a virtual
masterpiece of ignominity, a genuine reflection of the artist himself. Pure unadulterated steaming hot sexy peddled flesh of the worst kind!
Yes, yes, your secret's finally revealed,........FATHER Vega!!
Gasp!!!!!!
Or should I say, your holiness Monsigneur Juan Carlo de la Puta Vega, our patron saint of marzipan!
Hail Mary Halleh-fucking-lueja!!
So I'm afraid you've twisted your last alter boy, and now its time to confess.
MAY THE POWER OF MICE COMPEL YOU!!
DIMI!! OH DIMI!! WHY YOU DO THIS TO ME?? DIMI!!!!
Really though, just teasing you, you know its not anything personal.
Ukes, don't provoke the bear! After all, what in the world would we ever do, if he made good on his threat to suddenly turn everything upside down on us all with extraordinary quality of extraordinary photos. Ukes, do not attempt to clear your mind, do not adjust your TV screen. He who has nothing to prove proves nothing.
Rollo Pollo, este es una aci para ti, mang!
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Kiev, stage 2
In my previous post, I reported on my disastrous first three days in Kiev. I was beginning to believe that a pox had been put on me for the terrible things I did to the nice girls of Russia and Latvia. I am pleased to report that my fortunes have reversed.
Sunday
Met some nice guys at the Irish Bar and the three of us decided, against all odds, to see if we could scare up some trouble on a rainy Sunday night in August at 11 pm. Flying blind, we first went to Moda Bar and sent one us down to check it out. Twelve people, five of them guys. We asked the driver to take us someplace happening and he shrugged and tore off to Opium. Closed. Then to Carribean Club and this time I went in to check the scene. Not packed but sixty to seventy people, mostly girls, so in like flint.
Carribean Club has salsa dancing until midnight when it turns into generic pop. Nice place, I highly recommend it for something different than the normal eurodiskoclub. I had been watching this Elisabeth Shue lookalike twirl around in her little white miniskirt for about ten minutes when, remembering cues from this board about being direct, I brazenly walked up and starting dancing about two feet in front of her. Positive response as she turned around and starting grinding her ass into my crotch. My buddies were in shock. Danced and chatted with her for about thirty minutes and got her number before her trollish friends angrily whisked her away in a taxi. Went to River Palace at about 3am and saw nothing I liked and went home.
Monday
I woke up, SMS-ed ''Elisabeth" and asked her to lunch, just a block away from my apartment. By 2pm she was in my bed but no intercourse. This will be a hard nut to crack but she may be the best looking woman I've seen so far in Kiev so I'm willing to wait it out.
SMS-ed "Tania" from the perfume store and we met at Zodiak cafe/bar and shared a drink. By 6pm she was in my bed but no intercourse. Different girl, same story. But let me tell you I'm having the time of my life as these girls are ridiculously hot.
Walked up to Irish Bar and was ready to settle with a Monday beer and a ride back to the apartment. Some expats were headed to, you guessed it, River Palace, midnight. Shit I had been there twice already and didn't like anything I saw, but what the hell. I have read that every girl at RP is working but I don't think that's totally true. Regardless, a room full of very beautiful girls. I think the two near misses I had before in the day had gotten to me and I decided, though I normally only do amateur, to take one of these girls home. I zeroed in on a hot blonde, dressed all in white, face 7 and body 9.5. She wanted $250 and I iced her until she came around to $150, so off we went to my flat.
We both showered and hopped in bed. Smooth and muscular ass and legs that only strippers and dancers seem to possess. She said she only did this once a month, yeah right, to pay cell phone bills. Screwed off and on until 7am and she screamed so much that I thought I was going to get evicted. BBBJ, CIM, DATY. As she left, she gave me back my $50 and said she had "finished" twelve times, which I think means climaxed. Wow, this is a rebate policy I can get behind.
Monday
Saw "Tania" for lunch again and I told her that I had a business meeting at 4pm, not true but I wanted to put the ice on her a little bit. She promptly suggested we go back to my place and, by 3pm, she was riding me like a bronco. 5'5, face 8, body 9, girlfriend material. Booted her out, took a nap and headed to this internet cafe.
I have a date with "Elisabeth" tonight. God give me strength to keep up with this 19-year old wildcat as I'm an old man of 31!
Zizz
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Mangus,
I did want to take your advice and ignore our friend Veggie. However, it seems he now has taken things one big step too far. This is his post in today's Istanbul forum:
"If you're experienced enough to select, you can find pretty young girls.
It's true that there are a lot of girls of age 24 and above, but it's also quite possible to find very young first-timers like 16 and 17 years old.
More important of all is how the girl looks and performs rather than the real age."
I may not be reading this right but he seems to endorse child prostitution. Maybe Vegarmars can explain this statement of his much more clearly than he usually does?
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No need and no will to explain anything.
No difference between a 16 and a 24 year older, all can be treated as children.
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That comment should get him banned!
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Just as expected, support the idea in mind and do it secretly, but never have the guts to reveal on the double-faced and even the triple-faced forum.
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Just my 2 cents in support of Vegamars.
Maybe I should be bann to write those words but it is just an historical fact. The mistress of Giacomo Casanova himself ( he called her Zaire) when he lived in Russia was 13-14 years old. Casanova was 36 years old at that time. He fell in love with her and they finally broke only because of her jealousy.
So even if the great Casanova should be considered as a monster all the mongers of the world must find another model then.
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I found this article on:
http://www.geocities.com/thekyivbeet/june21.html
I thought it might add some light relief after the storm!
Business: New Prostitute Uniform Introduced
KYIV - As a result of consistent pressure from the prostitution lobby, the Ministry of Labor has come out with the new official hooker's uniform. The NGO, "Selected Ukrainian Registered Prostitutes"- or SLURP - has won their battle to reduce the confusion over who is a prostitute and who is not. "Now that the summer is here, as usual all the girls will be dressing up and looking like prostitutes, but really aren't," said SLURP President Olga Slutskaya, "and that ends up hurting our business." Foreign men and Ukrainians alike have, since independence, been confused over who is and who is not working. The result has been a loss of revenue for the legitimate hookers, and moments of embarrassment for regular Ukrainian girls who are incorrectly solicited by Johns. "This one girl slapped me upside my head when I asked her how much," said Eric Longstreet, a long-time ex-pat in Kyiv, "and I was so frazzled that I forgot about the whole thing for that night." The new uniform will be an ensemble outfit consisting of Stilleto heels, a black spandex mini-skirt, low-cut lace top and a yellow belt. Effective immediately, any girl that is wearing this outfit in public and is solicited, must accept the offer from the John or be faced with a 1000 Hr. fine from the authorities. Natasha (refused to give her last name) commenting on the new uniform toldThe Beet, I'm going to have to be careful this summer, or I'll ending up sleeping with more guys than necessary." The new regulations are not expected to affect American or Canadian women.
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Aw jesus, I'm getting a fucking headache over here.
I can't understand anything you bastards are kelping about.
Its fucking creepy, I mean, some people say, if the girl sucks your blood,
then she'll try to sell you down the river.
So who fucking cares, you might as well set a big pile of money on fire.
Its always a bad decision when you're horny.
Just go and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] all over a meat popsicle.
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I'm not a senior member but why is it that people here choose to fight in public postings rather than in PMs? I don't really get why everyone should be exposed to these silly little rebutall=after- rebutalls.
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Dear Zizz Bang,
I am laughing my ass off on seeing your note on the refund policy. I have never ever heard anything as wild as that. May the force be with you.
Experienced Ukraine / Russia Mongers,
First off let me congratulate you all for the wonderful work. I have been a passive member for a long time and enjoyed the posts. So far there hasn't been anything significant to report of.
I am a very adventurous person as far as going to different countries goes. But on the issue of mongering, I feel a little out of place if money is not the only medium of negotiation.
I am assuming that most of you are white americans. So the recent backlash against folks from the middle east would not be an issue. I am from India but I am a Sikh . Due to the closeness of my land to the arab world, the dress is a bit influenced by theirs. Other than that I do not even have the basic understanding of Islam.
My mind usually works like everyone here but my appearence confuses most people. I usually have a turban on and my beard and moustage sometimes make people shy away. usually as a tourist or on business, it does not affect me. And in a few minutes the other person gets comfortable talking to me.
But I am assuming that from a girls's point of view ( the semi professional ones in clubs), it would be illogical to warm up to a tall , 200lbs indian. On the contrary, giving directions to a tourist is a relatively risk free / effort free thing.
I have very little info about the dress code for men in Russia / Ukraine but my russian friends in new york look like the regular city people. Please advise if my fears are ill founded or not.
Sincere advise highly appreciated.
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Royal21 - the reality is that if you do not look european but are traveling into Ukraine be prepared a.) to be stopped by the plice rather often who will ask for your papers trying to figure a way to scam $ from you (always carry but safely carry your passport with you...). In the big cities where there are a lot of tourists though despite the rather likely police stopping you should be OK. I've heard of skinheads but I think it's more in Russia than in Ukraine, at least in Kiev and Odessa.... How people dress...? Well, dress in black or gray clothing, yes that's the general extent of colors for males...perhaps a nice drak brown or black leather (not suede) jacket... nice but not flashy (unless you work for the mob)...If you wear sunglasses make sure they';re not too fancy - if they are really glitzy it's guanteed that walking some stupid cop there will try and squeeze you for money... If I were you I'd skip jewelry of any kind since you'll be a target. I look like them and thus do not stand out... In your case you simply will stand out...and you'll just ahve to be wary in general.... If you plan out your trip you should be OK though...
Rendorseg
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Thank you rendorseg. I did not think about the police angle at all. Its definately better to be prepared than being sorry. But how is the scene in clubs and the attitude of women in general to someone who looks like me?
I was in turkey last year, i enjoyed the trip a lot. But when i went to the club in Serenda Hotel the security just would not let me go in with my turban. It seems in their culture only the sultan wears a turban. It took a lot of convincing on my part that i was not imitating the sultan and that i cannot remove my turban either.
That reaction kind of surprised me. It happened only in Serenda which supposedly is the best known place to pick up working girls. Just want to be mentally prepared this time, that all. I surely am not going to give up mongering because of my appearence :-)
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Hi Royal,
Yeah, you'll stand out, but in my humble opinion I found Kyiv very safe. Let me say straight away I'm white, but hung around with an Indian (Hindu) and a black guy for a while in my trip.
Some people are curious, and that can be a good thing as they assured me, but don't get curious confused with distrust.
There is a small amount of ignorance, but I've never heard of it manifesting itself in violence or robbery. As rendorseg wrote, visible signs of affluence are far more likely to result in attention.
BTW - Sikhs are great!! Be brave, go, enjoy, then write!
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Royal - what about the clubs... well it depends where you go when.... usually certain Kiev clubs are jammed but now all the chicas are reportedly down south... funny thing is that when I've been in the beach areas in the south the weather's been bad and the clubs empty... the ones I found were snooty, snobby... I think this was really a function of the season not being right (the working girls were in school or back in Kiev...) Well, yes I did have experiences...
I honestly think that this is the way you will 100% have a good time: go to captain69's website or perhaps here you'll find the web address for the approx 5 high end escort companies... find 2-3 of the girls who turn you on... make an appointment with them for the shortest time... that way the agency will rip you off for the least amount. then propose to be with the girl(s) on your own without the agency... usually it works like a charm and the girls tend to be well 'trained' in sexual arts...
I'll be seeing one of my lovelies I hooked up with a few months ago (it was early spring, the clubs were dead and the tochkas were too slimy) via an agency (paid them short time, got her phone no.) when I come out to Odessa again in September...
Anyways, unless you'll be there a long time I'd hedge your bets.
Good luck!
redorseg
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Does anyone have experience with Ksusha escort (www.ksusha-escort.com) ?
Captain69 claims that pics are fake and some guys were ripped off, paid for travel expenses and girl didn't show up.
I sent a girl a mail. She replied. When I asked for more pics (to prove that she is indeed the girl on web site), no more reply.
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Thank you Knight, rendorseg.
I love curosity, especially from the fairer sex. Its a wonderful way to get past the initial hi and hello.
I am working on taking a holiday in sep/oct . The world is such a big and interesting place. Soviet block always interested me and the beauty there is breath taking. ( I wish you a good time with your lovelies, rendorseg). But I am researching other places too. Usually the more off beat the place, the more it interests me.
From the posts here, I am confused about the whole cell phone number deal.
1. What makes the girl give out her cell phone number to any one walking on the street after 2 minutes of talking?
2. How do you guys manage all those numbers? Do you remember which number is which girls? where you met her and how she looked like? (I do see scope for a small pda database to store all that information)
3. Does getting a number mean, you can call her whenever for whatever? I am sure the interpretation will differ from person to person but what is the consensus?
4. How do i get a cell phone if i am there for a week? (any prepaid services?)
Thanks for all the wonderful replies and reports.
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rendorseg,
You mentioned "toshka's", in your last report. Do "toshka's", exist in Kiev and the Ukraine? I thought they were just something you find in Moscow?
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Ludo - Like I said the ones that do exist are not good at all> a cabbie once hustled me over to one in Odessa but the selection was slim pickin's skanky, I went back again one more time and it was the same. Don't know 'bout Kiev though.
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Royal21,
Tusi aajao Ukraine yaar. koi darne sharne di gal ee nai hain. din mein sharab hor raat de shabab de naal aish keega ;)
Raj Karega Khalsa!
P.S. for all non Punjabi speaking people, the above line translates as, " royal21, dont be scared of Ukraine, just hop over, and you shall be treated to wine in the day and women in the night".
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I'm almost certain there are no tochkas in Kyiv. Yes one exists in Odessa, but only at the docks, for sea-faring types who've been on the waves too long to be choosy.
Moscow is the tochka king, and well worth a visit.
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I have the pleasure to be in Kiev end of the month. I was searching a hotel or apartment. All hotels are redicolous expansive but I found Hotel DNIPRO which offers for this period against their website rates of $ 70.00. Can anyone recommend this hotel? Is it GFE?
Thanks for advice Ermano69
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Royal 21
I'm not sure about buying a phone, but I have been told you can get a sim card for $10. As long as you have a dual band phone I think it should work. Can anyone else confirm?
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Ermano69
Dnipr hotel is 200 meters from the centre of Kiev.Girlfriendly.
Just look further on the website.
Willam
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70$ a night. Expect the worst dude. I’ve paid 150$ a night (suite) and was disappointed with the quality and facilities.
No internet connection in the room but you can use the internet in the lobby (10$ per hour)
Girls from Modabar/RP wouldn't take less then 200$ (first they ask where you stay then tell you how much) the security guy (hotel) takes 50-100$ when they leave. It was hard work to get the girls to agree on 150$ a night.
One of the girls visited my room told me about the covert cameras in the room (in smoke detectors) don't know if it true or not but hey, who fucking cares? They can watch and wank
Mobile phones-get a UMC sim-sim card (very popular) costs 60 grivnas inc. 25 grivnas worth of calls
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Ermano69
If you are going there then why not get an appartment, easy to come and go with whome ever you please. It makes things easy. I learned this the hard way before I found this board. Well good luck with the trip and all. Ukraine is a nice place, might have to live there. Cause as we all know a few weeks just is not enough time.
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Gents, will be in Kiev from 17th to 23rd. If anyone else will be there concurrently drop me a PM and we'll grab a beer.
Zizz Bang: Great reports man, you have a very enjoyable writing style! I will try the Caribbean club as Europop music can get old for me. I am from Vegas originally too, and get back there regularly. With the ladies as they are in Vegas (and the dreadful paid scene), I can see why you go to the Ukraine!
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Does anyone know if there are any private apartments in Kiev where you can choose a dyev from a lineup and bang them for $50 an hour?
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Year 2005
gia.com.ua ( they've got an apatment ) $50-70 for an hour
uaescort.com $40-60 for the hour
loveme.ru free for all times
P.S. You can accept the pictures or the websites to be fake, but they've all been tested and worth trying.
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I will be in Kiev next month. Is there any newspaper with private ad like we can find in CZ-ANNONCE ? Can someone suggest one good disco club in Kiev where amateur girl can be found?
Thanks
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Hey Mangus, thanks for the advice. By the way, great looking dyev, I hope you whipped her into shape?
Anyway, I've just read about a club called the "RestTown", has anybody had any experiences there and how much does it cost?
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Guys,
After much research i have decided upon kiev as my next mongering trip. I'll be there from the 28th august for about a week. I'll bec checking out all the regular joints PM if anyone wants to hook up
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Ludo, this is a rarity - I agree with Vegamars, and disagree with the illustrious Mangus Man! On my last visit $50 for an hour GFE was pretty standard, but no cheaper for the second hour, so $100 for 2 hours was looking pretty expensive when an all-nighter can be had for not much more if you treat the girl well, bide your time, and bargain well!
Kyiv Post (free in hotels, dual language paper) has quite a few ads. The bigger, photo ads are generally all different numbers, but 8 out of the 10 are the same girl answering, and all of the ads have same price, so it's only worth ringing one of these. Demand they send 2 girls and you pick best and pay taxi for the one you don't want to keep.
Also, there are some private classified ads in the same paper, but that's more hit and miss, but likely to be cheaper for 2 hour meetings etc. Vegamars mentioned the reliable escort agencies.
Rest Town is worth avoiding though in my opinion. It takes an age to get there from the centre. The heyday for this place was probably 5 years ago. The girls have gone down hill on the looks rapidly in recent months (only about 2 you'd really want to bed), and there's not even any nude floorshow. The sex is very limited (no owo, anal) compared to R.Palace girls, and the cost not good either. Most annoyingly on my last visit they keep you waiting so long before letting you into a room with your girl that you're more or less obliged to buy them and you drinks to while away the time. Most disappointing thing of my whole Ukraine experiences has to be Rest Town.
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Guys,
i'll be heading over to Kiev from 28th august for 9 days of mongering. I'll be hitting all the regular joints and trying my luck in the malls etc. If anyone would like to hook up for a few beers etc let me know.
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I'm just gonna miss you Prince. Will be in Kiev 17-23. I'll try to save a few for ya! :-)
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http://www.lovelygirls.org
Anybody know this agency?
Really working with real girl or is a fake agency?
Thanks
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Another good way to get started for first-timers or hesitators for reasonable charges is to get in touch with the guide-servicers who will do everything for you--renting apartments, providing interpreters, guiding through town, etc.
Of course, they're aware of the reason you contact them, so just ask for the guide of your dreams.
meta-ukraine.com is a reliable source for this purpose and many others.
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Knight.
This one's for you.
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Question?
How easy to buy Viagra in Ukraine? And, what are the prices?
Thanks.
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I will be in Kiev the first week of October and would appreciate any information on some semi-pro. Also, wondering if the Premier Palace is girl friendly?
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lovelygirls.org and odessaescort.tk are both unreliable.
Just try escort.odessa.ua , kievescort.com , gia.com.ua ,
kiev-x.com and starsfromheaven.co.uk if you have to use one.
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Here is my first report on the ground here in Kiev.
Yes, the women here are very hot! You don't see fat girls here and they are all dressing for some serious advertising. To use Zizz Bang's accurate comment, they are ridiculously hot and I'm pretty picky. I think most of them want to meet western guys, the only issue is one of communication. If you speak Russian and English you are set. If you only speak English and no Russian it's going to be more work because many girls don't speak English at all, or speak only a little and are shy about it until they become more comfortable with you. If you want freebies you're just going to have to say hello to them, see who answers in English, and simply work the percentages. A couple male friends I talked to said that speaking English is very hip here and it will get you noticed. I can confirm this.
I speak about three words in Russian (da, nyet (obvious) and spassiba which is "thank you"). I think many are impressed that I know even that much! For me Go For It's advice to use Friendfinder to locate some friends/guides/freebies was very helpful to me. Although I only started using FF about a month before my trip I was able to correspond with many ladies, several of whom spoke good english. These I spoke with on the phone a couple times, and then arranged meetings. I won't repeat his very detailed instructions on how to do this, so see his earlier posts. For reference purposes I'm late 30s and relatively good looking.
YMMV but here's what happened for me so far. A couple days before my trip I met this russian girl living in Ireland that I met on FF. She was early 20s, blond, very hot body, and of course spoke great English. She had emailed me first on FF to say that she was interested in me! We had exchanged emails, pictures, and a couple short phone calls. First date basically just got to know each other and some hot kissing, etc. I asked her to go back to my apt. but didn't push when she said another time. Second date next night was quick drink and back to my apt. where she kept me up all night! Actually I really like this girl and plan to see her again after my return from Kiev. Anyway as a result of this had to catch the early flight on 2 hours sleep so I was pretty bushed.
Kiev immigration and customs takes forever and they are definitely old-school Soviet attitude. I spent at least an hour standing in a huge line for immigration, and then was asked for who invited me to Kiev, their address, etc. which was all info that wasn't required for me as an American. However I dutifully complied handing them the paper from uaapartments.com without comment or complaint as I do not think that would be wise. This made the agent happy as I guess this gave her something to fill in the blanks on her computer with. Who knows! Customs was even worse as I got to the head of the line twice only to have the agent simply close his booth and walk off. After finally getting to an agent my declaration of about US$2000 wasn't a problem and I was out of there swifly after that.
Spent the rest of the day getting essentials and meeting two guys from uaapartments.com who are very cool. Dmitri (assistant) and Vladimir (manager) are both in their 20s and really great to work with. A few words on uaapartments.com. The apt was as advertised. Before arriving I told them that I needed a concierge-type service (like Zergut had) where I could call them for whatever I needed. I also told them I wanted to rent a cell phone (US$10/day + $.20/min. for usage) and to be picked up at the airport. This all went perfectly. I was met by a driver holding a sign with my name at the airport arrivals. He promptly called Dmitri and gave me the phone and Dmitri explained that the driver didn't speak English but would take me to my apt. where he would meet me. Once there Dmitri explained how to use the mobile, took me shopping at the grocery store for food and booze, and gave me his and Vladimir's personal cell phone numbers that I could call anytime. Then both guys took me to lunch at a local Ukrainian restaurant (sorry, don't remember the name) where the food was good and cheap. Beers for three and food for me came to less than US$10! Crazy! Anyway these guys told me if I had any problems (such as being stopped by the militia) or needed a car, guide, translator, etc. to call them. Can't recommend highly enough! My apt. was a 2 bedroom right off Independence Square for $89/night. Very centrally located.
Was really just blasted tired from my hot blond babe, flights, etc. but just couldn't resist going to River Palace to see if all the posts here were accurate. They are. Got there about 10pm which was too early but wanted to have dinner. They have english menus and pretty good food. I had a decent salmon dinner and beer while watching the live band play for $10! The atmosphere was relaxed and nice and the band did the best job they could singing English songs everybody would know.
During dinner I sat next to a table full of Russian guys where I observed something about why these girls are so submissive. There was one big, stocky, ugly Russian guy who just barked orders at the poor waitresses leering and making faces at them all the while. It was almost like the guy was sneering at them and while tallking gave them looks indicating he thought they were stupid, slow, etc. It just blew me away watching this over and over. These waitresses just jumped to serve the guy and he just treated them like garbage. I noticed that my polite western manner very much impressed my waitress who just went overboard trying to give me good service. She was actually decent looking and as I munched I thought she was likely to be the best chick in the whole place for a girl friend because she didn't seem jaded like many of the super-hotties in the disco.
Anyway hit the disco about 11pm and boy did it fill up. I guess it was ladies night and the girl/guy ratio was probably 5:1 in my favor! These girls were just unbelievably hot and dressed to kill. Knowing all of them were for sale I took my time choosing. Eventually I chose an extremely hot blond girl, probably mid-late 20s with a really knockout figure and decently pretty face. Unfortunately she didn't speak very good English and after an hour or so of buying drinks, dancing, talking with her and her friend (who did speak good English) I realized I backed the wrong horse. She really wasn't into it like I would like and I just wasn't getting those positive vibes that usually mean a great time lies ahead. When I told her I had to leave soon she quickly suggested US$250 which I laughed at (thanks guys for that tidbit of advice) and she instantly went down to $150 and also suggested $100 each for her and her friend together. By this time I wasn't that interested and told her $50 and I'd give her more if I was happy. She didn't want to do this and I didn't want to go up, so we parted company. At 1am there were still plenty of unescorted hotties in the place but by this time I could barely see straight with fatigue so I left, fell into bed and slept 10 hours.
Next day wandered around Independence Square just getting the feel. Many pretty girls dressed to kill walking to and fro, and plenty of office girl types heading to the metro at the end of the square. I stopped to say hello to a couple of the best-of-the-best but neither spoke English. Then had an appointment to meet with another of my FF girls who spoke really good English. We met in front of the conveniently-located MacDonalds and she promptly gave me a walking tour of the whole area. She was definitely interested in moving the relationship forward but I wasn't really sure she was my type. Even so we went to dinner at Mambo's (my selection which she confirmed was a good place) which is a nice tourist-type restaurant serving Mexican, Spanish, Argentinian food. We had cocktails and a full 3 course dinner for about US$60 which seemed a lot after my previous restaurant encounters but I didn't complain because the food and atmosphere were great. And after all, the same meal in Dublin would have easily run me over $100. After the meal I decided I really didn't want to know the girl any further so I told her I needed to get some sleep.
One amusing bit is while we were waiting for a cab I recalled that you could just flag down any passing car for a ride so I did so. She jumped right in to negotiate a fare of 20 grivnas which is about US$4 to take us both home to our respective apts. which were in separate directions. Of course the driver didn't speak a word of English so she explained where I lived, etc. and how to get there. I had a feeling that the guy wasn't going to know how to get me where I wanted to go but I decided I was curious to see what would happen anyway. He got her home fine and then after awhile of driving broke out his map because he wasn't sure where he was going. I let him muse over it for awhile and then stuck my finger on the spot where my apt. was. He drove some more and then stopped again to consult the map. Then asked a few people he passed, and then after awhile actually stopped, got out, and asked a taxi driver. He then found the correct street and I pointed out my apt.
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There are nice some looking women featured from the Ukraine on this FriendFinder website but to me it seems a very pricey. I signed up an hour ago but found if you perform a search and want to see a person's details, it says you have "used up your limit." Absolute bollocks, i haven't viewed one yet and I am very wary of internet companies that operate this way.
Mind you, if you make out with a hottie for free from using this website, I suppose it actually works good value.
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Mobile- UMC sim-sim card
http://www.sim-sim.com/
There is a shop near a restuarant in International departures. ( about center of the airport) The cards (SIM\Minutes) are standard rate and you can activate them there. Of course you can also find them all over the country.
Calling party pays for a call within Ukraine to your mobile, but a call you place can be a bit pricey. International incoming or outgoing is very expensive, best left to a land-line and local calling card. Caller ID is hit and miss from outside and inside Ukraine. (works perfect from another mobile)
Since the minutes generally only last for 3-6 months, I found buying smaller pre-paid denominations to work best. This way you can simply activate more minutes upon arrival if you are away from Ukraine for an extended period.
http://www.sim-sim.com/eng/howmuch1.htm
For voicemail, you have the option of setting the default to English. (if you have the service) I never set mine up, as I knew everyone who would be calling me.
http://www.sim-sim.com/eng/useful1.htm
Many young Ukrainians (except working girls) don't have mobiles due to the cost, but I always ask others to call me.
I also became very dependant on SMS. Its easier for English as a Second language (ESL friends to understand) and its far cheaper than a voice call.
GSM Service within Ukraine is excellent, including the Metro. Almost no service on cross country train routes though. All the big carriers have roaming agreements in Ukraine if you are okay with $2-5 a minute and feel you must use your Mobile from home. (I use AT&T, T-Mobile and 02)
I have several unlocked GSM phones I use on travel.
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A few clarifications that need to be pointed out:
99% of the girls older than 16 have mobile phones and Ukraine is one of the leading countries in Europe for the usage of mobiles.
Almost all the best-looking-girls in Kiev have the knowledge of English, at least to some extent enough to communicate.
However, of course they're clever enough to pretend not to speak a word of English if they don't like your attitude or if they're just not in the mood.
Otherwise, a simple hello would be more than enough to start up a conversation.
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Bob
Great report makes me wish I was back in Kiev! Oh well next spring will have to do. I am glad the FF route is working! Nothing quite like an amatures to get things interesting!
Looking foreword to more reports.
JDI
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Bob dobbs,
Thanks for the update. it's much appreciated as I am traveling over next week. are you reporting from an internet cafe? If so what is the location and how much does it cost?
What did you find the dress code to be like in RP. I like to dress smart but casual i.e. jeans / trainers / blazer would this cause any entry problems?
Anyone:
To save a bit of money I have applied for a private visa and included the address of the agent that I am getting the accomadation from. I've just read Bob Dobb was asked for papers to prove his invitation. Is this something that I need if I have a privat visa?
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Prince2
Last time I was at RP I had on jeans,nice shirt and a nice pair of shoes, they are picky on shoes as I found out, no kind of sport shoes allowed. I found that out the hard way. Yes I got turned away my first time there on account of my shoes. Oh well. Live and learn. It was before I found out about this forum.
Well good luck wish I was there.
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BoB Dobbs-
Thanks the very excellent report.
Wondering how the rest of your trip went. Specifically, did you exceed the cash limit on your departure or did customs also provide a positive experience ?
TIA
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The best internet cafe I found was right around the corner from TGI Friday's on Kreschatik. Ask for the air-conditioned room because the other room on the left can be sweltering in the summer.
I'm certainly no expert but I do believe that I hit on a golden rule for meeting non-pro's in Slavic states that worked for me in Kiev, Odessa and throughout Russia over and over again: Do as much as you can to differentiate yourself from (a) the stereotypical Russian man and (b) the stereotypical ugly American (or other Westerner).
Examples:
Don't rubberneck or gawk at the ridiculously beautiful women all around you.
Don't drink anywhere close to excess. Slavic women take inventory of this.
Be assertive but not rude. Confidant but not arrogant. Polite but not aloof. When talking with friends, laugh and smile as much as possible, but don't look crazy. Dress nicely but don't try to outdo the women, who want to be the center of attention. Shine your shoes. No shorts.
Zizz
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Kiev - I will be there Sept 1 - 3
Hey!? - if anyone's in town let's hook up.
Perhaps we can go to River Palance together - never been there....
I'll be en route to Odessa & Lvov...
Oh, about cell phones, I go to Ukriane min 2x/year thus I wonder which is better --->
renting (where/how?) vs buying a local cell phone (I guess pop in one of those chips when there then...)
Rendorseg
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Armorer,
Thanks for the tip. It's much appreciated as I hate wearing shoes so no doubt I would have been turned away. only 3 days to go before I hit Kiev. I can't wait!
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Well done Zizz, excellent observation
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After the long Holiday weekend , might have had something to do with this.
Two Blasts Rock Market in Ukraine Capital, 13 Hurt
http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/wfae/news.newsmain?action=article&ARTICLE_ID=675369
Be careful everyone. We all take risks just staying home, but being alert anywhere you go is always a good thing.
I remember a similar situation a week before I went to Thailand a few years ago. It can be un nerving, but life goes on.
I must point out that I felt very safe in Ukraine and would go back tomorrow if I had the time and a ticket.
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Terrorist blasts in Ukraine? Hah! The FSB (previously was called KGB) would kick the bejeezus out of AlQueda guys in no time, trust me... I'm friends with an FSB officer - they do not mess around, full stop.
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Just a little difference between Ukraine and Russia...
Watch out what's going on and what's probably gonna happen around Moscow nowadays..
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Thanks MM - that's gonna cheer us all up!!!!!
Be safe everyone!
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Anyone wishing to meet up in Kiev and scout around together, please PM me.
I will be here until the end of this weekend, i.e. end of August.
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Mangus Man
"Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we may die", eh? I KNEW there was a reason I keep reading your posts! A dude after my own heart! HOWEVER, if drinking means imbibing Foster's Lager, I'll pass thank you...
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What person in their right mind flys half way around the world to find women ?
Unfortunately I am one of them. Temptation can't be ignored.
So other than Santa Claus, (milk and no cookies) we go to these places far from home, enrich these women in someway (Trick or Treat). We keep injecting into the female economy until we run out of money or time. Then we come home, recharge and start over again.
I would say that the risk of having the little head fall off, is greater than any bomb or bodily threat.
There are risks in Life. We just take the necessary ones and try to be safe taking the risks we do willingly.
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Gentleman,
I have noticed that there has been a definite tendency recently to descend into, apparently senile commentary, on just about anything but mongering
Could it be a bad case of syphilis or perhaps some of the senior members are getting on.
Bottom line, gentleman, is that the site will loose it's value, should this continue. Lets get back to subject, shall we?
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All the flights in CIS, whether domestic or international, are much safer than those in the States, especially with those oldest Boeings on the domestic lines.
The rest is just a story of dreams.
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Methods
As the mention of FriendFinder. I was wondering what other sites or methods folks have found to meet girls
I frequently use the free hospitalityclub.com to get INTEL on places I am thinking of visiting. Folks are very friendly, but mostly very young students.
http://www.plentyoffish.com/ a free site
Many dating sites are a bit pricey, so opinions are valuable. Free sites typically have few girls or not desired quality.
A very real difference is a frequent girl's desire to have a serial relationship, its often all or nothing even if you have never met. The don't want to "waste time" being friends, they want a long term thing. They seem to really want what they have difficulty finding at home. (sounds familiar)
I know that the Kiev Times often lists meetings or events that might offer potential.
English Language Clubs.
Dating events to meet women interested in western men. (a Foreign Affair had a recent open invite to western men)
Bars and restuarants with higher liklihood of meeting women. Even shops and Metro stops are possible.
Hoping Jackson will allow comments about specific dating or introduction sites.
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Tupolev: it's the only way to fly.
Vegamars, our resident airline safety expert, again chooses to ignore facts and instead rely on hearsay from the Turkish board of transportation safety, now currently being directed by the former Iraqi information minister.
Although Aeroflot flies modern Boeing and Airbus planes on most international routes, on domestic routes Aeroflot, Aerosvit, Pulkovo, Krasair and the dozens of other no-name airlines in CIS (your beacon of airline safety) fly whatever plane manages to get itself off of the ground on any particular day. Seen all those cannabilized Tu-134, Tu-154 and Ilyushin fuselage shells littering the Russian and Ukrainian airport of your choice? More or less still functioning pieces of them have been somehow assimilated into the planes we happily board in pursuit of the Ukraine's only true natural resource.
So while nervously chewing your fingernails on your death-defying Cleveland-Des Moines route, do say a prayer for me on approach to Donetsk, where I plan to visit a few of those underground coal mines everyone has been raving about before meeting my skinny straw-haired buck-toothed dream girl and her two illegitimate children.
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The domestic flights in the States full of old, worn-out, questionable Boeings are statistically( I mean the real figures and not those biased,unrealistic ones) are one of the worst in the world in terms of safety and convenience.
Nothing to be ashamed of or to take personally.
Just a part of the world of great contradictions out there.
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Vegamars:
Thankfully I am very difficult to offend as I have been to and lived in enough different countries to realize everything is relative, but the aging fleet of Soviet era aircraft that still carries the bulk of CIS travellers to domestic locations is among the world's worst and truly in worse shape than the aircraft operating in the majority of the American fleet.
The Slavic soul believes in fate, as do I, so none of that worries me.
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"Just a part of the world of great contradictions out there."
Do I detect some vaxocentrism ? I knew syndicaiting the X-files would have an effect ; )
And who invented the Internet ?
One thing for sure, the women are hot in EE.
The Beatles did not make up a contradiction.
Long Live Romantic Tourism.
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It's just an observation based on a wider objective point of view, nothing more.
Then, you can also ask:
Who has invaded the space first?
And who's gonna land on the moon first?
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vega- wasn't trying slam you on the internet. if you visit most countries government agencies that address the area, they essentially claim to have done that.
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i think i'd prefer to die for straw hair and buck teeth, if not in bed with it.
i must admit i do have a fancy for the newer high speed train service in russia and ukraine. just home the tracks hold up.
one thing is un-questioned: the ee has more efficient and affordable mass transit than anywhere else. despite money, technology and sometimes negative customer service.., their on-time performance and convenience is the best in the world.
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Landing at a Ukrainian airport is quite an experience. They look really busy until you get closer and realise some planes have wings hanging off and have been pushed to the side. Favorite sight was the five bi-planes at Odessa which must have pre-dated the Great Patriotic War. I had a t-shirt on, as I thought I was going to a beach resort for a summer holiday, and the bus dropped us off by the gate and I couldn't believe I had to wait in the driving rain for my bags as they don't have an arrivals hall!
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I thought Al Gore invented the internet
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Vegamars,
While yes a lot of the old Boeings (727s) in the states are indeed very old (I think the last 727 was made in 1984), the thing that I hate about flying in the states is the smaller and older DC-9s around (rebranded as MD80s to make them sound more modern). Those things are almost prehistoric. American Airlines in particular has millions of these old 1960s and 1970s fossils. But they arent Boeings. But they are maintained.
Unless you are flying with a major airline in the CIS (Aeroflot, Sibir, Aerosvit etc) then you are taking chances to some degree. If you get in a Tu-134 of VolgaAeroExpress, or Air Bashkirtostan then you have to accept that its not going to be state of the art of safety.
Best bet is to just fly with the major airlines.
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Aviation what ?
Lets let this one rest. The US has the youngest average commercial aviation fleet in the world. The years shortly before and after 911 was a record for new aircraft buys with US Airlines.
Americans won't fly old planes, much less prop planes, (prop planes are safer mechanically and aeronautical) which is why CRJ is now king. If you get a front seat, you can look directly up the attendant's skirt. Aeroflot and Aerosvit fly newer 777s and Brazilias (many planes designed by Boeing) respectively on international routes for that same reason.
A second reason is noise abatement, those old noisy TU aircraft would never be permitted in the US. Many airlines had to buy newer planes.
ATA has driven itself almost bankrupt buying new planes.
MD-80s are actually a very good plane, with thicker metal skin and less glue than Boeing. Thicker rivets. Now owned by Boeing. I don't like them cause they are too narrow body. This affords a poor view of a flight attendants legs from an aisle seat. I prefer a 737-ER, 747-400 or 777.
The few 727s flown in the US are mostly Federal Express and a few contract carriers. The rest are elsewhere or sitting in an Arizona boneyard.
The oldest fleet is owned by Northwest Airlines , who takes delivery of enough new planes in the next two years to place them closer to the middle of the big six.
Why do I know so much about this ? I used to be an aircraft overhaul mechanic for Lockheed. Fly over 100K a year and own part of an airline in Cambodia..., with a few 7 year old Boeings. I also have a travel agent credential.
The oldest Boeings fly in South America and Africa, while most of the worlds older Boeing aircraft fly airfreight.
I did fly on a L1011 on a charter about a week before it crashed in Germany, so I am partial to those metal patches all over the wings on those Tupolevs.
I can say I am more afraid of older Airbus aircraft, as the design has shown some engineering failures as early boeing and Tupelov designs have. But the TU aircraft have proven their metal.
Airbus is now the world leader and hope to fly a A380 super-Jumbo after their first year in the air.
The area of concern for Eastern European airlines isn't the aircraft, its the process...security screening, lack of permiter fencing, waist deep weeds, no background checks on key positions. and forested runways.., no doppler radar., aircrews who give tours of the cockpit in-flight.
EE is maybe behind in some areas, but it is getting better very rapidly. Overall, probably about where much of the west was in 2000 in most areas.
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I have to say while I dont find the interior of the average Tu-154 overly appealing, I have no qualms about flying in them, especially if it is one of the major airlines. The Tu-134s on the other hand, give me the creeps.
But beansed, you cant seriously be saying the US commercial fleet is younger than the average Western European fleet, or Middle eastern fleet, or Singaporean fleet.
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Singapore Airlines has the youngest fleet in the world, but based on country.., Japan and the US are very close. Europe is close, but Europe had Economic problems earlier with their airlines, which resulted in slower new aircraft acquisitions.
Most of the newer aircraft in Europe are Airbus, of which concerns have already been mentioned.
I don't like the A319 or 320 as much, but mostly because of the grunts and groans they make.
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If we are going to put this to bed, we need to bed down the right info: Airline fleet average age:
Emirates: 3 years
Singapore: 5 years
Austrian Airlines: 5.4 years
Swiss: 5.6 years
Easyjet: 5.7 years
British Airways: 7.5 years
United: 8.8 years
AA: 10.5 years
Delta: 11.2 years
Northwest: 20.2 years
IATA fleet (global average) 14.4 years
African / South American Average: 16 years (and rising)
North American Average: 13 years (and rising)
European Average: 8.5 years (and falling)
Asian Average: 8 years (and falling)
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Gentlemen, aerogeeks, others,
Any chance of information on bought sex in the Ukraine? Or must we now look for information about prostitutes on some plane spotters' site?
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The average age of the fleet doesn't mean everything, although it's an important factor.
The brand-new Boeings or some others from Europe( remember the one from Switzerland for instance) don't reflect any kind of safety or reliability.
Especially for the severe weather conditions of the domestic flights throughout EE, the current airvehicles are preferred deliberately for safety conditions, though the technology is not that up-to-date.
Keep in mind that there's not always a one-to-one
correspondence between high technology and safety conditions.
For some discreet action, let's fly on to prosex.com.ua and
kievgirls.in.net.ua
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changing subjects...
Guys - I will be bringing a small stereo in a moderate size box in for an amigo in Ukraine. If I bring it with me as luggage which would show it being a stereol and/or if I wrap it in inconspicuous brown paper do you think the customs bastards will give me heck at Kiev/KBP?
Or perhaps I should take it out of the box and pack it in my suitcase...?
Thoughts/experiences appreciated.
thanks!
Rendorseg
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Rendo.
They always ask, "Are you bringing any gifts?" to get you to pay tariff.
If it didn't cost that much, then maybe they'll only ask you for a few $.
If you stash it in your suitcase and say no, you're right, they'll probably just
ignore it.
Ukrainians are always bringing in a bunch of stuff, don't know what
they get stuck paying, though I never saw anyone pay, just argue a lot.
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Thanks Mangus
Now I know how to pack my suitcase which I gotta do today!
Ya, now I recall something about the 'gift' question... their rude 'show me your money' question always jars me.
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Live in Kyev,
Well I have finally managed to get over here and what a feast it has been. the earlier posts about khreschatyk street over the weekend are absolutely true. The girls wear some of the shortest skirts I have ever seen! I found that many girls that are interested in having some fun sit on the benches waiting to be chatted up. I have lucked out and found a local guide who does all the introductions and started the ball rolling. in one evening I managed to get 10 numbers with very little effort. time will tell if anything comes from them.
For those of you coming out here with a bit of time on your hands I definately think that is the way to. I checked out RP and found it to be a bit disapointing. I got there at 11pm and by about 12pm there were about 40 girls of which I would say 10 were to my liking. However as expected they were very professional in there attitude and i doubt the GFE would have been available. 150 bucks was the poening offer of all the gilrs I talked to. FYI Tuesdays / Wednesdays is free entry for gilrs b4 11pm.
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I thought the girls out there were not wearing anything at all!!
Is the country getting more conservative??
If you try to act completely on your own without a sort of local or unlocal guide, then the girls will be more than happy to submit immediately.
Don't forget at all times that they like brave guys who know exactly how to act to get what they want.
You've got so many girls around that even if you're successful one in ten times, your life will be totally elaborated.
For those who're interested, one of the many guide services including apartments can be found via
kievapartmentservice.kiev.ua
You can ask for anything you wish and as all the other similar service companies, they'll find the solution to everything you can imagine.
Personally, I've never used such services, as it diminishes the real joy of adventure and surprises, the real thing that Kiev appeals to me.
The attached map from the website reflects all the necessary locations right in the center in the old town by the left bank of the Dniepr river.
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Hi,
Does anyone know about this escort website : http://www.exclusive-ukraine.tk/.
Any informations or report will be appreciated!
Here one of a girl photo proposed.
MR
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The site is a complete ripoff cause it's exactly in the same format as the fictitious site odessa-escorts.tk which makes it obvious that it's all prepared by the same guy.
The fact that the charges are quoted in dollars rather than euro and the unnatural form of the pictures also make me think in that way.
Instead, stick on the reliable sites such as escort.odessa.ua and starsfromheaven.co.uk
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Here are some of my observations from my River Palace experience.
Something I noticed about River Palace is that some of the girls really think quite highly of themselves. At 5am in the morning, there were still girls there quoting $200 for the rest of the night. Night? The sun's about to come up, lady, get real!
I found River Palace was fun to visit, but I was not really tempted by the majority of the girls. Most of them seemed to be hardened professionals. There were a few, however, who were quite amateur and demanded $200 minimum, but were quite happy to go home at 2 or 3am if they didn't get the offer they wanted. In the end though, it just seemed to be a smaller version of Nightflight in Moscow.
Someone once said in this forum that EVERY girl in River Palace is for sale. I was under that impression too, but you have to be careful. I made the 'mistake' of propositioning two girls that were with this big Ukrainian guy. He was pretty pissed off, but saw the funny side quickly, luckily. But you never know what could have happened.
Anyway, so at the end of the night I went with a rather average looking girl called Yulia. Quite tall, very light frizzly hair, age probably 27-30. Slightly saggy tits, but a surprisingly firm butt. But as is common, the worse they look, the better the service. She didn't mind me fingering her while in the cab (though it took 1 hryvna to shut up the cab driver when he complained). In the dark courtyard to my building, I got a nice bbbj to completion (prompted by her). Had sex in the apartment twice before going to bed; once finishing on her tits, and second time 'accidentally' getting it on her chin. And it was nice to wake up to another bbbj to completion in the morning, before I realised how average looking she really was, and booted her out of my apartment. She definitely was one to look at after 10 beers.
All in all, it was an interesting experience at River Palace. Just shows once again that is really hit and miss there.
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Reporting live from Kiev, a little bleary eyed...
Each night the packages have been getting tighter here, wow.
Well, first day I hooked up with an independent internet gal, Ludmilla I think... Her pics fairly well represent her nipples which are fairly large with B breasts, so her body was a 8.0 and her face maybe a 6, normali, a bit taller than I like 'em but wow she must be in the Hoover family tree, good to the last drop. Price for 3 hours $100. OK, could have been less but I just landed and I wanted to blow off some, well, rather, I wanted an appetizer.
I tried calling Prince who is also here but due to the idiocy of the manager of this apartment (one of those recently mentioned guys) he never came thru with a cell phone - gives lots of promises but it is hard to carry those around in one's pocket, etc.
Well, at Prince's suggestion I headed out 2 nights ago to Moda Cafe and it was fairly classy, I was feeling a bit laid back, not so pickey so I chatted up the 1st gals that I sat next to, they were nice ladies, one aged 24 a brunette and the other was 27 super blondie with an shocking plunging string blouse which was played with latter in apartment. Yes, so it was 3some. They named a price for all night, till morning at 9 they clearly agreed, the price was $200 total (1/2 each) which seemed oddly low considering, well they put on a farily good show, just not as lesbi as one would like but, hey it was fairly porno like... But alas, following the adage that you get what you pay for after 4 nice hot deep bbbj's and other activity in 3 hours they complained that they had to go to work in the morning, blah, blah, so what could I do bar the door? No, so I said arivaderci.... well actually we spoke all in Russian. But before they left since they felt a little bad about leaving they both put in some great team work to finish me off via another bbbj, I did not know I could do 5 times in 3 hours but they used good technique.
then the following day I called up Svetlana whose name I was given by a friend who used to live in Kiev.... she's mid 30's must have been quite hot when younger but she acts basically as a madame for her many young friends all of whom unfortunately were still down playing in Krim... so we had a nice dinner, all in russian, and since she took me to some rather rip offski places also I do know that I have a well conected friend here for whatever I want next time....
So I sent her off in a taxi and said I wanted to walk along the river which of course after 5 minutes ended up again in Moda Bar... Well, there were some gay russian dudes singing fairly good rock while wearing tight gold stretch pants which resulted basically in all the girls looking at them, not the guys so much and since the performance ended at 2am and since it was hard to tell who was working during this obviously popular concert I high tailed it out of there up to River Palace.
Frankly I see very little difference in the quality of the ladies between Moda Bar and River Palace... I chatted with one snobby gorgeous babe- beautiful face a model, blue eyes, stunnig black hair, like Cleopatra but shoudl refused the notion of all night so I moved on and instead of model type went with a super petite but well built chica who as it turned out was an acrobatic gymnast... her friend was a 'retired' 23 year old dancer and since they knew each other since childhood they do like working together and oh my god they sure as hell did.... That was the tightest package ever.... Quite tired now after that.... The gymnast and I this morning really went at it...I think I can skip my work out today as a result. I'd love to hook up with them again.
Off now to the south of the country. Over and out.
Well, River palace was frankly as good as anything I saw in Rio in terms of selection and I mean it. The girls here really try and it's good to the last drop for most all!
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Back from Kiev, and had such a wonderful time that i am already planning for return.
Here are just a few miscellaneous things I experienced.
If you use GiaEscort, they are no longer the 'cheap' option. The prices now are $100 for 2 hours and $70 for 1 hour. Of course, if you speak Russian well enough to pass as a local, this is significantly cheaper. In fact, ridiculously cheaper. Also, the phone numbers they post on their website lead to operators that do not speak English. They will either hang up on you or direct you to another number, which I never got to work. I only managed to contact when I emailed them and they supplied me yet another number, this time successful. I picked Vladislava (do not go for her; I am not sure they even sent me the right girl!). I also went with Larisa. She is quite good; gives a mean BBBJ and did not complain when I slipped it in her ass. But she does watch the clock somewhat.
A comment about Cocktail Bar 111. This is a great place to go on the right nights. I didn't have any problems getting in, but someone I met said they were told they needed a VIP card and this could only be acquired through recommendation. Anyone know about this?
River Palace. I disliked this place and found the girls snobbish and far too professional, more so than Nightflight in Moscow. I left without taking anyone. (Couldn't get a root in a brothel? :) )The taxi drivers outside there are rip-off merchants. I'm sure most people know this, but I think its useful for other beginners to know this. The 'official' taxi driver will quote you something ridiculous like 35 hryvna to get to the city. Say no, and there will always be some guy in an albeit rundown car, who is happy to take you for 10 hryna or so.
My experiences also taught me that its quite important to learn the cyrillic alphabet just to make life easier, especially on the metro. And I think it helps to speak Russian. I will spend my next few months learning some Russian because although English is trendy here, I found it trying at times to talk to the girls who had very minimal English.
Hope some of that is helping to people around.
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NeilSydney,
Nice report. about 111, I was told that on my first time there, well my friend who was Ukrainian, when he turned and told me in English what they told him they looked at me and opened the door and off we went right on in. Think being an American was all the VIP I needed there.
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For almost all places like 111 in Kiev, except for RP and Resttown, you need cards to get in, so it's always to visit the places accompanied by a girl. ( Most girls have all kinds of necessary cards)
The interesting part of RP is that you can find all sorts of girls there and it would be much more appealing to go for the regular girls who are sitting in groups away from the bar and also hanging out in the casino section.
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I've been to 111 quite a few times (on my own and with a date) and I've never heard anything about needinga card to get in; never been asked for one, never needed one - I'm not sure there's even a cover charge during the week.
I've been to several other clubs in Kiev and I'm positive that I've never needed a VIP card anywhere - all sounds a little dubious. I can't see any of the clubs in the main part of Kiev doing anything to make it more difficult for tourists/businessmen to get in. Doesn't make any business sense at all - maybe somewhere like Freedom when it first opened (didn't go last trip so no recent info) or Chaikovsky but I'm sure it would just be a gimic.
I'd be surprised if any reader of this forum had any trouble getting into a club in Kiev.
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About 111:
As I suspect, I think its a form of face control. I think if you have the card they will always let you in, but if you don't then only if you can pass the test, which probably means going with a girl, or just dressing well and being confident and heading straight in. I actually have a sense of deja vu about this topic: maybe its been discussed earlier.
Anyway, I think I did see the cards being flashed around, so I think they do exist.
Anyway, apparently you get the cards "by recommendation". I'm sure the bouncers will recommend you for a few hryvna!
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apologies to everyone who wrote with questions and pm'd me over the last couple weeks. i had to cut short my trip to kiev by two days to return to work and have been on the road continuously since then. unfortunately most of that took place in france, and there is just no way i'm going to try to type out a long report on those damn french keyboards!!
prince2: yes i used an internet cafe that is right on independence square between the mcdonalds and the post office. it's upstairs and i think it's 10 grivnas for an hour (us$2). the attendant speaks english, speed of connection is isdn/slow dsl (maybe 256-512k), and everything worked fine.
dress in rp was all over the board. i saw guys in jeans but most people were just euro-casual in dark slacks/shirts. for me it was just a pair of brown painter's pants and a black silk button-down shirt. nothing designer. i think your friendliness and attitude are more important everywhere.
i'm not sure why the immigration lady in borispol wanted to know who was inviting me. it's quite clear from their embassy's website that americans (and several other nationalities) don't need any sort of invitation to visit the ukraine. fortunately i had asked uaapartments to give me an invitation letter anyway which totally satisfied the sour-faced immigration lady. i think i could have gotten by without having it with some shucking 'n jiving, but would have had to actually start talking with her, which is always a bad thing when it comes to dealing with government agents.
beansed: going in i had about us$1000 and eur$500 on me, which i dutifully declared. after my long wait in customs to do this the customs agent actually crossed out everything i wrote in trying to declare my funds and just wrote some indecipherable note in russian at the bottom of my declaration sheet, stamped it, and gave it back. since i had to leave early and some of the other aspects of my trip didn't quite go as planned, i still had over us$1000 on the way out, so i was a bit leery of what would happen. at customers when leaving they just looked at the stamped declaration sheet, asked me how much cash i had, and waved me out. no problems.
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Kiev report part two.
Due to my pre-arranging dates with two ladies through Friendfinder.com I suddenly found myself a bit confined in my activities. The benefit of pre-arranging the ladies was they all spoke English and I knew I could at least get a nice guide service, etc. However once I mostly figured out how things worked I found my internet selections wanting compared to the seemingly endless stream of hotties just walking by.
So dutifully I was on to my second prearranged date. The second lady I met was another nice early 30s type who normally would have been barely bed-able but in the atmosphere of super-hotties in Kiev didn't quite measure up. I also had this little early 20s hottie that I'd just met right before leaving to Kiev so I was in a pretty picky mood.
We did have a nice time doing tourist things with her showing me all around the city. I really walked her tail off taking me everywhere, taking photos of me and the zillion monuments they have to everything there. Like everyone I met she really wanted me to see her city in the best light and did her best to show me a nice time. She did pay me back a little for all the exercise by suggesting a very nice (and expensive) Ukrainian restaurant for dinner (although to her credit she did tell me it was expensive). I can't remember (or pronounce) the name but it was styled just like a traditional Ukrainian house or village and is very upscale. I'm sure anyone there would know it if described. Well we had a wonderful dinner that I dropped US$100+ on. She suggested going back to my place afterwards but I just didn't want to partake so we parted company with promises for me to to call later, etc. etc.
Next day I learned work was recalling me two days early, so this was to be my last day. Not having hooked up yet with any of the eye candy wandering around I decided not to goof around but to head over to River Palace. This I did, and enjoyed a second good meal there cheap. I hit the disco about midnight where there was a large number of hotties. This time I worked the floor talking to a lot of ladies and taking my time choosing. I found most of them too pro-like to be interesting (a feeling others have posted feeling also). One thin blond was smiling at me so I went over to say hello. She had been there two days before when I was there and I ignored her for what I thought were hotter babes that turned out to be too hardened for my taste. I've noted in my other travels that often the slightly less hot girls that seem to really like you are by far the best choice for a good time.
Anyway Olga was 24, blond, thin, small breasts and nice tight figure. She told me she goes to RP once a week or so and works in an office the rest of the time. She remembered me from the other time I was there, which slightly embarrased me cuz I had really ignored her "come hither" smiles that night. She was easy to talk to and obviously liked me so I suggested we go back to my place. She suggested $250 which I laughed at, and we were instantly at $150.
One thing that has been mentioned here several times before that bears repeating is DO NOT get in to a cab with a lady leaving RP without first agreeing to the price. I had read this piece of sage advice before leaving and promptly forgot it in my excitement to get home. Naturally upon arriving the cabbie wanted 65 grivna which is about 2-3x the normal price. I told him "No way" and he kept repeating "Policia" or some approximation. I said fine and sat back to let the girl negotiate with him. Finally we settled on 50 grivna which was still at least 15 grivna too much but I figured I wasn't going to argue over US$3.
Once in my apt. Olga and I talked for about an hour, had some wine, and finally hit the bedroom. BBBJ was performed without being asked to do so and it was very good. We then had straight sex which was very enjoyable. I did ask if I could take her picture which she definitely did not want. I insisted but could not get her to agree. Sorry guys.
The most interesting thing was after the sex. We were again talking about all sorts of things and she was telling me about her boyfriend who apparently didn't know about her extracurricular activities and how they were shortly going on a holiday to the Crimea. Unsolicitied she said she had a very beautiful friend that she wanted to hook me up with. She suggested the four of us could all go together for several days if I liked. She gave me her phone number and told me to call her in a couple days to let her know. She was really nice about it and it was typical of the very friendly, helpful and genuine attitude of all the people I met on my trip. The feeling I got was they really wanted to put the best face on their country for visitors and wanted them to have a good time and go away with a good opinion of the place, people, etc. Since I had to catch a plane in a couple hours we parted company.
Leaving early I had to change my flight and learned that Ukrainian Airlines has a nonstop to London which was also the cheapest flight I could get on short notice. The plane was a modern 737 so thought this might be of interest to fellow readers.
To sum up my trip to Kiev I'd say the representations of lots of hot babes is accurate. I also think they are generally pretty friendly and want to meet western guys. You'll have a lot more choice if you can speak conversational Russian (if that's you then be warned because you may not want to leave this babe paradise). If not you'll still have a great time but depending on your ability to just approach ladies cold may want to get a guide that knows you are hunting for ladies and who can make introductions and take you to appropriate pick-up locations.
RP is a great choice if you don't mind a fairly pro attitude (with good value for your money). It's definitely easy for the non-Russian speaker with a good, cheap restaurant with english menus, etc. I was told by one of my ff.com girls that Moda Bar was popular for normal girls to go for fun.
You can also just walk down the street and chat up the girls (that speak English) and am pretty sure you could do fine just doing that.
No scientific evidence to back this up just a feeling that younger girls (19-25) are easier and have more of a "good to go" attitude. I think they start pretty young here.
The older ones seem a bit more wary but still very easy to talk to, etc.
Don't bring any more US$ than you need for the pros, cuz there are ATMs everywhere and everything is relatively cheap.
Thanks to everybody who posted and made for a great trip for me!
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Kiev, end of august 2004
I was again in Kiev for a few days. First night, sunday, went to River Palace(RP) at 1.00 A.M.
I prefer RP above Moda Bar, further on the road along the river.
RP is a disco on a ship in the river called Dnepr.
Same type of girls, same prices but I prefer the RP atmosphere and lay-out.
Almost all the girls are available with the exeption, may be , of the girls that come in with a guy.
As most of you will know, RP has a disco and a "casino" at the streetlevel and a bar/restaurant one level lower.
When you enter you pay about 50 gryvnia, about 10 US$ entrance fee and get a (almost invisible) stamp at your hand so that you can walk in and out.
Untill 1.00 am it is very quiet. Action starts at about 1 untill 3 or 4 in the morning.
The room is about 100 x 30meters, in the middle a dancefloor,
and tables around that flour.
When you enter you can ask the waitress a table but i prefer to walk till the end of the floor where the bar is.
There you will find some hiher tables, without chairs so you will have to stand.
In this part, most of the ladies stand and chat. You can easy mix and order a drink and look at the ladies dancing at the floor.
This ladies really know how to dance. A wonderfull sight.
The girls will never aproach you. You will have to do the first move.
Quite easy, tey are just next to you. Just say "hello". If they are interested, they will answer, if not they will not react.
NOT because they are not available but because this girls has already a date, is waiting for her date, does not like you or for whatever reason.
Most of the girls speak at least basic english.
I choosed a perfect looking girl, abou 25 years,, blond and had a little chat.
I offerered a drink, 25 gryvnia, and asked why she was there.(I knew but you have to start somewhere).
The answer was obvious, so we discussed the possibility to have a drink and more at my apartment.
By the way, in Kiev I prefer an apartment.No hassle with securityguard.
The going rate is 100 US$ for a few hours, 200$ for the night.
Deal done, taking a cab to the city. 50 gryvnia is the going rate.
A lot of cabs waiting outside, all the same price.
Of course you can try the sovjethabit: just stand along the road and wave your arm. Quite normal in eastern countries that somebody will stop and take you for a much smaller fee.But during the night, with that girl standing next to you and not much traffic.
If somebody stops, you cannot pronounce the street you live, the number and can not negotiate.Almost nobody speaks english. Some cabdrivers do. I could do it, I speak enough russian, the common lanmguage here, but if you don't, don try this alternative.
Just take a cab, have your adress written at a piece of paper or have a map so that you can explain where to go.
Going "home" I bought some drinks after asking the girl what she would like to drink. In Kiev some foodshops (magasin produkti) are open all night.
Arrived at the apartment, had a drink and took a shower.
When she came out of the shower it was evident that I had made an excellent choice.Waering just a towel I could admire her perfect tits, great ass and beatiful figure.
Do you rember the movie" the postman always rings twice".
The postman did the girl, while the girl was lying at the table.
In an apartment there will not be a large table, neither in an hotelroom.
But, in an apartment there will always be an sofa. That is the place I prefer to start.
Just put the girl upside down at this sofa, shoulders at the seat, legs over the back and you can reach every inch.
Fucking while you stand and at the same time stimulating her clit.
She will like that.
After about fifteen minutes of play we moved to the bedroom.
There we fucked like animals, missionary, cowboy,doggystyle.
Doing doggystyle I entered het ass with my fingers after lubricating with some gel.
After about twenty deep poundings she climaxed.She asked me to continue but without touching her ass. That, she told me,was too sensitive after climaxing.I continued and popped.
We had a drink and chatted for half an hour.She was from Odessa a place where I have been several times.
By the way, we spoke english; she was rather fluent.
We started again with our game.After some time I popped again.
Again a drink, and we went to sleep.
In the morning, at 8 o'clock, I woke her. This took some time but then she started to do what she had to do.With her hands she explored my whole body and especially my better part. After some cbj she asked me, which position I preferred and again, we had a wonderful time.
No hurry, just fun. I popped, I prepared coffee we had a chat and she left after I paid her.
This was my first, well spend night in Kiev.
More nights to come.I will keep you informed.
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It seems very interesting to me that almost everyone complains about the pro attitude in RP, but becomes very content at the end.
What's that thin line between GFE and pro action anyway?
It's so difficult to find real pro behaviour in Kiev, even if you're interested in such attitude!
The initial looks of a girl should not be barely enough to justify pro attitude and mechanical behaviour.
On the contrary, if she tries to attract your attention too much by oversmiles at the beginning, it's more likely that you'll have a boring time together.
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William3, Cool report man.
Just wanted to comment on "50 hryvna is the going rate". I never paid more than 25 hryvna, and even then I felt I was overpaying. I try and push for 20. Many will ask for 30-40, but if you are happy to go in an unofficial taxi, it'll be much cheaper. Its just a principles thing. After all, its not that much money.
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I asked people in the UK forum about which city they most prefer in Europe but since one of the places I am considering on going to is Kiev I figured I would post here as well.
Basically my question here is for the people that have also been to either Prague, Hungary, or both along with Ukraine. I was wondering which is your favorite and why? They all seem to be about the same in prices but maybe I am wrong? What about the overall attitude of people towards you and how the girls view you around town? Have any gotten to commericalized and are now out of control? Oh and just so you know I am looking for pretty girls but more girl next door or student types. I am also looking to spend multiple hours with one person and pay the same as I would for one hour with a girl here in the US.
Okay thanks for any advice! You can write here or PM me so whatever works is great.
Ciao!
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The answers you wonder have been expressed many times on various aspects, just be patient enough to read back.
One more thing, there's no other place like Kiev, no need to compare or look futher.
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California Guy,
[i][b]"They all seem to be about the same in prices but maybe I am wrong?"[/b][/i]
Prices are not the same. For 1 hour in Budapest or Prague, you can have several hours, if not one full night in Kiev (or Minsk, even Moscow). Especially if you speak Russian.
[i][b]"... how the girls view you around town?"[/b][/i]
Well, how are you ? young/old? slim/fat? tall/short? white/coloured? well educated/son of a b*tch? If you look like Tom Cruise, you won't have a problem anywhere on earth ;). More seriously, I'm afraid nobody can answer this kind of question.
People all have a very good reason to go to each of these places. You ask the question here, answer will be Kiev. Ask the question in the Prague forum, answer will be Prague. In addition, things and people change. You ask me the same question 5 years ago, I would say Budapest. 2 years ago, I would say Prague. Last year, I would say Kiev. Now, I say Minsk. Next year, I may say Moscow. Go browse through the respective forums to see what people like at each place and how it fits with your own preferences.
Jim
PS : If things haven't changed in Budapest is the last couple of years, I would say "don't go to Budapest". Check in their forum if it's still that bad, although I'm pretty sure there are some Budapest lovers still out there.
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NeilS is right, I paid 25 grivna for cabs everywhere with the one exception the night I forgot to establish the price ahead of time. Note that with UAapartments you can call Dmitri or Vladimir anytime and they will arrange a cab and have it waiting for you right at your apartment whenever you say. There is no extra charge for this.
And Vegamars is also right: I think when people talk about "pro attitude" in Kiev it is not the same as say in the U.S. where pro-attitude means an unfriendly and unaccomodative robot who is in a hurry to leave. It is a world of difference since every eastern european girl I've met did BBBJ and most TC without being asked in any way. They also usually really want to know you better and secretly hope for a more serious relationship. Staying several hours or all night without having to establish this in advance is another major difference. So there are too many differences to use the same terminology. We really need a new label for "pro" when it comes to EE girls.
For me the beauty, attitudes, and cultural upbringing of EE girls is totally compelling. And the ones I've met certainly seem more intelligent and capable then many of the U.S. women I've known. I'm quite interested in learning Russian so I can know these women better. I could see myself possibly making a wife out of one of them at some point.
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Hi guys,
As new to this forum I read the last 20 pages and found that a lot of you advise non-russian speaking men like me to get a guide. I will try to visit Kiev this year and would like to know if anybody knows of or better used a guide which they can recommend. A couple of months ago a guy wrote about the vipgateway agency that had female guides but they seem to have ended their business. Any idea's?
PP2
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California Guy,
"I am also looking to spend multiple hours with one person and pay the same as I would for one hour with a girl here in the US."
Man, please don't do that. I'm sure you are paying at least $350 per hour in the U.S. from any decent escort (and probably more). That kind of money can last DAYS in the FSU. Please read this forum for updates on pricing before you leave on your trip. I just returned from Moscow and prices are up in the summer but drop with the temperature. Supply and demand. I'm not a Ukrainian expert but I imagine you can find a beautiful dyev for the night for $150 or under in most cases. Don't throw $250 or $300 bucks at some young hottie because "it's cheaper than in the U.S. and is for the entire night"! This can/will/does ruin the market.
Happy hunting
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Kiev end of august 2004 Got Robbed, stupid me
The weather was beautiful, temperature 25 C (75F), the Kreshatik boulverard full of beautiful girls.Kreshatikboulevard is a two times three lane boulevard with broad sidewalks.
One of the sidewalks, with the Mc Donalds at, is in fact a double one,a lower one along the street and a higher one, about 1 meter higher, with trees along.
This latter one is, where the people prefer to walk during the evening. This one is a little darker, but not too dark.
A lot of banks to sit so you can enjoy and watch all the people.
The houses in which people live in Ukraine are very small.For this reason, people, young people, prefer to be outside.
So on nice evenings, hundreds, thousands of young people stroll along this boulevard.
The girls are beautiful.If you didn't know better, you would think there are just hookers walking at this sidewalk.Not so.Ukrainian girls dress this way.Short skirts, much naked belly so enjoy.
Untill about 22.00 you, as inexperienced watcher, cannot distinguish between working girls and "normal" girls.
But, after, let us say 22.00 a lot of the girls are working girls, approachable.But gay boys too!
It is not easy to recognise working girls.Sometimes they are dressed more provocing but mostly not.
They don't walk slow.They don't sollicit.They walk like they are going somewhere.If they don't, they are targetted by the cops so they walk like going somewhere BUT are going NOwhere but how do you know?The best way is just sitting at a seat along the sidewalk, the higher one!, and look around.
If you hesitate, just stand up and walk about 50 meters after this girls. (mostly the girls walk in pairs).If they are approachable, you will notice that one of the men at the street will approach them.
The ukrainian men have, of course, a better vieuw at the girls, if you can approach them or not.
If a (ukrainian) man talks to the girl look careful.If she answers, maybe she is a working girl. Sometimes they will make a deal but often not. Now it is your turn. Enhance your pace and speak to her.Something like "do you speak english" could be enough.
If you are wrong, no problem. All the girls in Ukraine are used to man that try to make contact.That is the way how "normal" girls and man meet.
For the next steps, you are on yourself.Everybody has his own strategy. Just a small problem: most ukrainian girls don't speak another language.
I speak basic russian, the general known language in Kiev.
At this beatiful evening, about 22.30 hrs I saw a splendid girl, about 28 years old, walking alone. I spoke to her and said (in russian) "hello" are you alone? Bingo! She answered "yes". We chatted a little and I invited her to come to my apartment to have a drink and chat .
She agreed.We did some shopping. I never know what the girls like to drink so I asked it and we buy it.
After the shopping we walked to my apartment, not to far away from the maidan, a square at the end of the kreshatikboulevard.
During this walk she explained that she could not stay very long because she had to go home to her parents and the last metro would leave at midnight. I said that we shouldn't hurry and that I would pay the taxi.
In the apartment we drank a little, chatted and I started totake further steps.
She did not want to go much further because "we just know each other". What the fuck, walking along the street at almost midnight and going with a total stranger and then" we just know each other"?
It was warm, I was transpiring and she to.
Then, at a certain moment I believed I made a hugh step forwrard.
She said: "why don't you take shower?"I didn't hesitate and walked to the bathroom and took a shower.I came out wearing just a towel . She smiled, kissed and we cuddled.
But then, all of a sudden she said" I have to go home now but will be back tomorrow evening at 8. Then I will stay the whole night.
Reluctant, I agreed and I gave her some money for the cab.
She left and I looked for my mobile phone. GONE.
I looked in my bedroom. Something had changed.
I called my mobile, there is a phone in this apartment. I often forget where my mobile is, in my clothes, at a seat, at the table.
The easiest way to find it is, just call yourself by using the normal phone. As soon as you hear the bell of your mobile, you know where your mobile is.
SO, I phoned my mobile. It was switched off!!
I never do that, just at home during the night.
So: my mobile was not in the apartment.
I looked in my pocket: my wallet was still there.Fortunately, I had my wallet in my trousers when I went into the bathroom.
At that moment I realised that, some minutes after I entered the bathroom, I left the bathroom because I had forgotten my soap.
The girl was not at the place where I left her.
Now I realise that, at that moment, she was sneaking around, looking in the rooms for money or valuables.
Next day she did not show up.Of course not.
Lesson learned.When you are in an room or apartment, lock your valuables when you are there with somebody else.
[blue]Hi,
This is just a suggestion, so please don't take it the wrong way.
I appreciate the details in your report, but I know from experience that a lot of people find it easier to read a report if the paragraphs are separated by a single blank line.
I know how this happens: You're banging away at the keyboard, putting your thoughts into the report as fast as you can write them. However, if you could hit the return key TWICE at the end of each paragraph, your report would be much easier to read, which would certainly be appreciated by your fellow Forum Members.
Thanks,
[i]Jackson[/i][/blue]
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Member 2109,
I would never pay more than I needed to so don't worry! In fact the situation in the US is a joke because so many of these guys, for some reason I can't explain, pay $$$$ for a girl that could barely get into porn. Mexico is fairly close to where I live but I won't even travel there anymore. Prices have jumped about 200% in the past couple of years and I refuse to pay that, especially considering the filth and hassle you must deal with to go into Mexico. It is really sad because I hear more people saying the same things but obviously some guys are going because the prices haven't gotten lower.
I will say I am not against paying the going rate, so I am not cheap, but when prices are changing that much in a third world country it just doesn't make sense. So I will definitely read up on whichever areas I choose to enter and that is why I am asking questions as well, to get answers. Thanks though for giving me the heads up because at least I can get an idea about this area and it's prices.
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In fact there are no working girls on Krischatik and you don't need to pay anything if you're gonna hook up with those girls from the street.
It's obviously suspicious enough when a girl asks to show up the next day while you already have the opportunity.
The solution is quite easy since you've got the complete control, you just tell now or never, that's all there is to it!!
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Vegamars,
After 22.00 there are enough working girls at the kreshatikstreet!
I can assure you.
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You cannot perceive any working girls in the sense that you see on the streets of most of Western Europe and the States.
The attractive girls you see on Kreschatik or any other street whether it's daytime or midnight are not the typical pros, they're just looking for some action and excitement to cheer up their relatively boring lives.
As for the general prices, they will never drop down with temperature or over the years, neither in Moscow nor in any other place, but on the contrary will always increase irrevocably based on my experience and observations over the years in many locations in the world.
The only solution would be by the increasing search of freebies, but as we all know it only constitutes about 1% of the whole mongering scene.
Even on this particular whole forum, I can't see any desire or will to evoke ways and tricks of replacing the pay scene by the much more valuable and qualitative freebies.
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There are no working girls on kreshatik street !
The place sure is full of hot women....
I have walked around after 22:00 and there is no street action which i have seen.yes everyone is approachable in kiev and the girls are provocatively dressed but that doesnt make them working girls !
Lovely place though !!
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V-man
Chasing pussy i.e. freebies can be done anywhere with varing success. Purchasing top quality cheap pussy is in rare parts of the world.
Why go to the expense and effort to fly to some corner of the globe where you don't speak the language, have no clue about the M/F customs, don't know where the optimum places to increase success, and spend what little time you really have chasing what might prove to be a dead end.
Freebies are a great alternative anywhere but uniformly more difficult. Given the expense of going to Kiev ect, the pussy has to be 1. above average and 2. relatively cheap or the per unit cost is higher than that at home.
Finally guys who are pussy masters seem to get laid anywhere for free, most of us aren't and don't. Sitting here crowing about your success in free pussy is no different than listening to the stud puppy back home talk about fucking little susie down the street. Talking about how it should be the focus is like telling everyone that`P4P is somehow beneath the studs aforementioned who "never pay for pussy".
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Hi,
I am in Kiev now, and will be here for the next few months. Would love to meet up with any forum member who is in town or passing through. I am a relatively new member and have no experience at all in Kiev. I would appreciate it very much if members in the know are willing to share any contacts locally. RP on a regular basis is not n option, rather freelancers, low maintenance locals are what i can afford.
If you need my coordinates, PM me please. Waiting for ideas.
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Here is my experience in Kiev from this past August. This is my first post on this forum so any assistance would be appreciated.
I arrived in Kiev on August 23 with what I had hoped would be possibilities for inexpensive mongering. However, thanks to the ineptitude of a wire service and the cynical view of Ukraine as being corrupt, my plans fell through except for a couple of normal dates. Coffee with one and dinner with the other. Nice time but no pussy! What's a mongerer to do?
Well, fortunately I brought the phone number of Odessa escorts with me. I spoke to Eva and although my first choice was not available, she indicated that I would be happy with Masha based on who I originally wanted to see.
Man, was she right! Masha showed up sleek and slender, tastefully dressed. Petitie, dyed blonde and the prettiest eyes I've seen in awhile. I booked her for 24 hours and after a couple of hours of warm-up talk and a shower, we started kissing.
Masha really enjoys kissing and after about 15 minutes of tonsil hockey, she wanted to get more comfortable in the bedroom. My only disappointment was she did not like DATY! Imagine that! Oh well, not a bother because her BBBJ was wonderful. Soft and slow and when I asked her not to use her hands Masha was very compliant.
We went through the normal positions, missionary, doggie, (which she didn't like), but I saved my favorite position for last.
LOTUS! It has never failed to bring my partner to an orgasmic level and Masha was no different. By the time we finished, 4 hours later, I was completely drenched in the package area. Masha was quite content and I enjoyed watching her face as she brought herself to orgasm. What a treat!
We rested for awhile, watching the independence celebration from my apartment balcony, naked of course! Being an American, I could not resist the urge to go down and at least mingle. Masha however become concerned as the crowd was huge! So we went back upstairs and tried to find a restaurant that was open. Finally found the Corona Club which had excellent food at a reasonable price. 200H for a three course meal including drinks.
Back to apartment and now it was 2am. What to do next you ask? Put on some music. I played a CD I made myself and it seemed to put Masha in the mood for more. We retired to the bedroom for Round 2. Now here's the kicker. After another sensual blowjob, I asked her what position she would like to try next. Her response? You guessed it. LOTUS! 4 hours later I was exhausted and I think she was too.
We slept until noon then took a nice walk around the city. I just love Taras Shevchenko Park! Unfortunately, Masha had to catch a 3pm train so we didn't have time for anything else.
My recommendation is book her while she is still around. Lovely face, bubbly and pert personality, and just loves sex! Masha does not speak English very well and we had fun using my electronic translator but when the need aroused, translation wasn't necessary.
Total damage: $538 for 24 hours with a wonderful woman. If you do the Math, the final cost averaged $22/hour not including the cabs and dinner. Overall a great experience that I hope to repeat in December.
Yours respectfully,
Tatsuo
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Congratulations for meeting an Odessan girl in Kiev!!
If you're ready to spend that sort of money, you could hook up with a real top model in Kiev for about 300-400 bucks for 24hrs.
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Vegamars - Since Nexus Model Agency is closed, do you have any other Kiev agency to recommend ? Feel free to PM me. Thanks.
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You can try to go for every model agency, even the top one karinmodels, provided that you're willing to pay incredible prices for the top quality.
It seems more reasonable to try starsfromheaven.co.uk
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Karin seems to be just a regular modeling agency. What makes you think they are available ? Also, I have used StarsfromHeaven and they aren't exactly model level.
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Reasonable? Hey Vegamars, when was the last time you checked out the prices for starsfromheaven? Their minimum price is 550 Euros for 24 hours! At the current rate of exchange, that comes out to about $700. Not exactly a bargain now is it? I'm not trying to start a flame war but seriously consider your advice before you give it to someone, please.
Tatsuo
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I was recently in Kiev and tried starsfromheaven.
I wouldn't bother with more than 4hours. If you get along, it should be easy to rearrange another meeting with her. If not, then thank goodness you haven't paid for 24hours.
Are they model quality? well, some of them, but most of them are no better/worse than you could get at RP. The only thing is that you can be sure of good service and pretty decent English. Whether that in itself is worth the extra premium you pay is questionable.
My girl (name was Luba, Luda or something like that), was very good while she was there. But after about 2 1/2 hours, around 2am she said she had a stomach ache. Yeah right. But I just wanted to sleep by then and let her leave as she requested.
I've noticed starsfromheaven are gradually increasing their prices. So too are gia (for non-russian speakers). Could be that one has to actually do some work to find a bargain now!
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Maybe you're not aware, but as I'm involved in the modelling business, I can tell you at once that almost every regular model agency in every country has some connection to action in some way.
Of course, they'll totally reject your proposal at first and you've gotto reflect some kind of insistence and trust to get a positive reply.
For the no one agency karinmodels in kiev for instance, I know from my own experience, but don't be so surprised to hear prices like 1000 for 2hrs.
The girls in starsfromheaven are all models, so there's no doubt about the quality and especially performance if your selection is careful enough.
The prices fluctuate to a great extent and subject to negotiation, so it's quite possible to deal on 400-500 for 1 day and after the first time you can easily get discounts.
For much lower prices like 250 per day and almost the same quality, you could go for gia.com.ua or kievescort.com
I would advise you to meet the best girls from either agency for a short period like 2-4 hrs and then the rest is up to you to arrange private meetings for yourself to save up almost 50% or even all.
If you wonder how I'm so sure or how it can be possible, I've managed to soak out free vacations for a whole week just at the expense of a plane ticket.
It's also a good idea to go for independent girls through uaescort.com or kiev-x.com without having the burden of agency commission that make up 60% of the total sum.
As I always express, all this effort and expenses are totally needless, but it's a good experience and worth trying at least once.
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Vega,
Hey good info! I was wondering though if there was a way to read through some of these sites in English?
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Hi Vega,
What your last note indicates to me is that if I want to negotiate and try to wheel and deal, then it is possible to get the cost down. The problem was, as I indicated, I had already done that and it just did not work out this time. Under those circumstances, I'm not interested in another waste of time doing the counter, counter offer routine.
Price should never be the only consideration, IMHO. I am also sure that if you are involved with model agencies in Ukraine, then you speak Russian, which I do not beyond a few basic terms. So it is not possible to compare your experiences with everyone else.
I got what I wanted and was completely satisfied. If price is more important to you, then that is good too. It is not my main priority though.
Take care,
Tatsuo
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Vegemars,
karin model looks like a regular model agency, you sure there are girls offering escorting services? There are girls there 13-16yrs old!
Which (legal) ones are you talking about?
p.s.
Tatsuo
personally $700 for 24hrs is bloody good for top quality, bear in mind, places like UK 24hrs is going for twice that!
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Bear in mind that all model agencies seem like regular agencies, whether in Ukraine or another country.
The modelling age varies from 14 to 32 in all agencies in Ukraine and those Ukrainian models who work in Europe and other countries mostly use their second passports that bear them as at least 5-6 years younger and it's impossible to understand by just looking at their faces.
Of course, I've been talking about the action girls of 18 and over, but it was a good try anyway without any aim at all.
My knowledge of Russian is very limited, only a few sentences and a few words I've learned on my own from my girlfriends, so it's much better if you don't speak Russian at all.
The comparison of prices in UK and the States with those in Ukraine is a completely off the topic and a huge letdown.
You can take my word that all the girls from starsfromheaven are from the modelling world, so almost all have a decent kind of behaviour.
It's true that the prices are rising slowly everywhere and it's always gonna increase straight up, thanks to all mongerers including this particular forum members.
Currently, the cheapest places are Northern Cyprus, Kishinev, Tiraspol, Minsk and Kiev.
However, time is very limited for the golden era.
My concern for the prices is not for the sole purpose of affording, but mainly the decrease of joy and excitement you would derive as opposed to hunting for free.
Links like uaescort.com and kiev-x.com are easy to follow up, but it's much more fun to visit the site loveme.ru that can be translated into English.
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Don't expect too much from an agency girl when you can't remember even her nickname.
The first moment you meet her is very important of the onward attitude and behaviour.
If she's got the right mood for you, she's gonna tell her real name quite gladly and the rest is so appealing...
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the time for cheap prime ass is over and done with in Ukraine. Belive me I know. HOwever I think there are some places where you can get really cheap pussy in Ukraine, joust not in Kiev. I a village its certainly possible. I just wont tell everyone here exactly where.
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Although the time left for cheap prices is diminishing rapidly, there are still some alternatives as explained before.
Besides, the opportunity of freebies for minimum will always be possible for those who have the guts to take the steps and effort to heat up.
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I will post here a not-so-good experience at RP that can provide useful indications on how things work with working girls in Kiev.
I went to RP at around midnight and, although the quality of the girls was as high as expected, the athmosphere seemed to suffer from a certain lack of light and brightness. This was basically due to the general attitude of the girls, that seemed to be acting as they were living in a mirror rather than in a valley of tears named earth. All seemed to be somehow soulless.
After a while I tried to make a better use of the time I was stealing to sleep and started a conversation with a girl that, while not being definitely the most stunning of all, seemed to have something applicable to attract my attention. But the conversation did not really take off and was terminated by my mentioning the hotel I was booked at, this was Vozdvizhensky and I can agree that it is not the top of the locations in Kiev, difficult to reach and not comparable to Dubai's Burj-al-Arab for sure.
After another while I started incidentally a conversation (this like the previous in Russian, problem was to understand the replies with that loud music) with a non-working girl who was there by accident I presume and appeared to be ultimately wondering why she was there indeed. She was again not one of the (many) top-models the place was packed with but appealing enough to give my dirty phantasies some fuel, and showed a promising interest in cultivating our conversation. Unfortunately, she was with another girl (hopelessly and discomfortingly ugly BTW!!) and showed as well the annoying tendence to dedicate an excess of efforts in worrying about her, therefore after maybe 1 hour I got fucked-up enough to drop her in favour of a serious RP-level couple. One was not the model-type girl but simply a sex-bomb, the other was more the slim hottie you may wish to meet in such a place. Both insisted in having a dance with me to give me an insight in their availability to go dirty, then the negotiation started, they wanted $200 for both, it was almost 3am so I laughed and downsized it to 100 for one only, they said they wanted to do it together and I made my final price, $130, which they accepted.
I may have picked easy enough and for a cheap price one of the other hotties available in the bar area and desperate to find a companion at that late hour of the night, but I was curious to see that funny couple in action ...
At the hotel I had to tip additional $60 (50% of the room price) to the guy of the security to let them in without registration. Once in my room, they began to make a joke of it, laughing and bullshitting around in a clear attempt to give the minimum while time went by. I played the game for a while, then I decided I had enough of it and since I am not the man who would achieve things with physical violence, they showed at first some reluctancy to adapt to my demand of performing an immediate and substantial change in their attitude. I had no other choice but showing I was ready to call the security man, and announced I would give him $100 to call the police and accuse them of robbery. I hit the target, there's nothing like a nightmare for these girls as having inconveniences with security men and militsianery, and that mention of robbery was hard and credible enough to throw them into a sufficient discomfort. So the one who spoke English (the slim hotty) politely asked what I would need in order to reconsider this, I said "give me serious sex and stop being silly", I must confess that I felt myself into a sort of Fellini-movie, I was sitting on a chair, completely naked, with my cock in a stand-by condition well visible between my legs, business-likely talking with ice-voice about making a hell out of their forthcoming hours!
Eventually, the slim hotty started giving me a CBJ, fear produced an appreciable change in her attitude although it was all far from being a top performance. Then I asked them to make a lesbo show, again I got a minimum of that performance, before being asked to join them. I fucked the English speaking hotty, while the sex bomb was not available to do anything but damaging my balls from behind with a manual action that may have reminded her grandmother's dough-sheeting in preparation of a Sunday lunch! When I wanted to switch to her (with the last-but-not-least aim of getting in more reasonable control of her bloody hands ) I was announced that I had to change my condom!! Feeling as galvanized as a eunuch at a gay party, I ineluctably gave up the idea and refucked the other till completion, she showed eventually a minimum of appreciation but then I put them at the door in the time that you would need to say "Archibald McAllister is travelling to Benbecula" (personally, not being a native speaker, I need 7 seconds for it), and delivered them back to the delights of a grey rainy morning in that former paradise of workers.
Lessons to learn:
1) going double, especially with an established couple, implies an increased risk of being teased around, the 2 ladies will easily support each other
2) the security is still a serious and credible threat
3) don't be afraid of going hard. If you can't get their love, get their fear. Anything else will produce poorer results.
Well the dear members preparing to downsize their consideration for me should show some availability to give me a second chance and wait for my forthcoming report on the day after. I am confident I will regain everyone's consideration, and being the subject (or the object?!) of it a freebie, this can add some stuff to the recent debate on freebies vs working girls. My aim is showing that, if RP working girls can be unexpectedly poor, freebies can be unexpectedly good ;-)
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I'd like to second MagicTouch's report on the essential, and very deep, crappiness of RP.
I was there a couple of weeks back, more, I suppose, for a laugh, than anything else and, as I'd been lacking much to do around midnight in the part of the city where I was staying, decided to head out and see what it is that this forum's been talking about. But it was anything but a laugh, though perhaps laughable. I paid European prices for a lousy and almost-warm beer served (my memory says, though it can hardly be right) in a plastic glass like you get in London on a saturday night in a low-grade footall pub. There were plenty of girls there, but they spent most of their time eyeing each other's totties up and down, as I've no doubt they did the previous evening, and the evening before that, and so on down the long arches of the years. There were none there who seemed either decent, or intelligent (the two things which turn me on; big difference from Dubai) though I hardly suppose that RP's the place to go to see much of either.
The single, wall-mirrored, dark-ceilinged and low-slung room was verging on the claustrophobic; the fact that I had to stand at the bar (the only available standing room) and be hassled by the bar staff as they hustled by, and the hustlers as they barged past didn't do much for my mood. Neither did the sudden appearance of a littoral boat-load of smartly-dressed, well-shaded, Italian guys who ambled in, ordered one glass of flaccid beer each (no doubt to feel at home), and began to discuss, too ostentatiously for my taste, the local talent, at high volume and with great persistence. Happily, my italian's bad enough that I could let their low-grade, lip-licking groans be drowned by the loud, thumping music.
In short, I drank two-thirds of my beer, slapped my glass down on the semi-visible, smoke- and cigarette-butt-clad bar and headed out onto the riverbank to catch a passing taxi, glad for having seen the place, but not much else. The girls who walk Kreschyatik at any time of the day or night are better looking and, I've no doubt, smarter too. And you won't have to stand by and watch a roomful of testosterhol-infused inostrantsi make idiots of themselves.
Won't be going there again in a hurry.
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OK, now let me post the completely different experience I had the day after the Fellinian couple, with a completely different outcome and level of satisfaction.
I had spent the month before making contacts on a local dating site, and out of the unhealthy amount of e-mails, pictures, replies, replies to the replies, lies beyond any immagination and assorted bullshit necessary for the purpose I was able to collect some 10 tel. numbers, and 2-3 warmer accounts to rely upon as a 1st choice.
So the night after was scheduled for a meeting with this cute girl, young enough although not just barely legal, not really model-type but with a beautiful slavic face, big boobs and a very merry and bright attitude. I met her at Hotel Rus, where we were joined by another glorious member of this forum (my black brother ;-) and a stunning hotty from a village in the countryside he had picked from the same website.
A drink, dinner at an upscale local restaurant (unfortunately my 1st choice, Khutorok, was fully booked), then bowling generated the excellent athmosphere needed for THE purpose. We moved eventually to Carribean Club for some Latin American action. That disco is the right place if you want to escape the recently described delights of the working environment at RP and look for non-working hotties. The good salsa, merengue and similar music played there all the time is very effective in making the female visitors hot and available, we 2 WSG guys were almost about to regret being there with girls already since we saw a minimum of 20 girls not benefitting from any significant male-companionship and perfectly applicable for a promising contact.
That kind of music gave the decisive impulse to the process of seduction I had been working on, the girl I was with was the typical sweet neighbour's daughter light-years away from any working horizon, so the only chance I had to make a good use of my last night in Kiev was achieving a perfect result in terms of seduction - and outcome of the seduction. The music was very effective in facilitating the last step, despite my dancing skills that are reasonably comparable with those of a drunken bear, I got her dancing hot hand in hand and, after repeatedly having her face at 10 cm distance from mine for prolongued periods of time, I said vaffanculo to the last gods of decency left at my side, made the step and pulled her into a tsunamical DFK action that brought me back enthusiastically to my never-regretted-enough teen years ;-)
She got so involved in the game that at a certain point I believe that everybody was expecting me to fuck her directly on the dance floor. Instead of this, we moved to our friends' hotel (definitely better than my Vozdvizhensky), but the other girl was not available to share the same room with any more strangers in the night than strictly necessary. This is a good indication for everybody, guys, the gentleman was the one who paid the room, and the girl decided who would stay in and who not ;-)
But before putting me at the door, this glorious WSG member gave the input that was to prove extremely beneficial for the short-term development of my fortune, he told my girl that I was a super-specialist of massages (?!). So, when we were eventually in my room, in order to break the ice I offered her to try it and see if she would agree. I started with a serious massage on her back (my past experiences in professional sport were much of help) and gradually converted it, very slowly into a hot tongue-massage that made her completely crazy and out of her mind. When I shifted this particular kind of action on to her butt she could no longer keep any decency (thus obliging another deal of upset gods to search more breathable air elsewhere) and began to moan and crawl all around. I made a sophisticated use of her tanga to start a serious stimulation of her hot spots, then removed the tanga (pity ...) and gave her a shakespearian manual action using all the available fingers (mine) into and onto all the available holes and spots (hers) in a war of no mercy and no prisoners that I made last longer than she (and you all) would believe.
This was how I completed my seduction performance, ie transforming the sweet neighbour's daughter into a nymphoqueen enthusiastically overwhelmed by an exponential series of orgasms.
The time finally came when I was fed-up with all that orgiastic manipulation, and as soon as she could regain some understanding of what is above and what is below in the world, I showed her that I was ready to enjoy my share of the game. The response to this was a phantasmagoric, megalythical BBBJ with double-handed side action culminated in one of the most glorious CIM's in the history of mankind. This jesuschristed me out without remedy and I kept shivering for good 5 minutes after completion, and felt it in my bones 1 hour later still (to be honest, I STILL feel it in my bones if I think of it ;-). Believe it or not, I had no least need to go to the toilet after that, and, not wishing to disregard the significant implications behind this, for the avoidance of doubt I suspended any DFKing for a while ;-)
Unfortunately, it was 6 am already by that time, and the hotel's policy obliges unregistered guests to leave, so there was no prosecution of action possible. I had no other choice but waiting for her taxi in the lobby, and going back to my room for 2 hours of sleep before a business breakfast and a later flight to a new city, a new hotel, a new business and a new ride on the carousel.
Purely judging from this experience, I would say that pulling freebies is by far more effective in providing outstanding levels of satisfaction. The seduction game, and the passion a conveniently seduced lady will put in the love-games is by far superior to any professional performance. Ukraine seems to be a good place to attract ordinary girls into this kind of game, and availability to internet contact is unlimited except for the language skills required to them to be in touch with non Russian-literate foreigners (some of my contacts made good use of online translators for the purpose). My WSG-brother was able to get a delighful flower of a beauty and sex-appeal that you would not believe. Even if you get responses from average-girls, don't forget that average in Ukraine corresponds to extremely beautiful wherever else in the world. Considering any 10 girls randomly chosen in that country, you can rely on the following figures:
3 are absolute top-models: long legs, high butts, slim bodies etc
3-4 are very beautiful and/or fascinating although maybe strictly speaking not model-type
2 are beautiful
the rest (!) is to forget.
And, if you don't like bullshitting on the internet in search of contacts, my advice is to sample pubs, bars and restaurants: in spite of all the Khreshatyk, RP etc business often advertised in this forum, those who give body to the quintessence of the stunning beauty are nothing but the waiters working in these places unbelievably under the general disconsideration of everybody.
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Great report for the lightening system of RP, kind of glasses they use for beer, what Italien guys are talking about,etc,etc
That's what we've been all wondering about...
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Vegamars, merci beaucoup (almost) for your sarcasm.
I wrote a report which explains what I thought of RP, having gone there on the strength of the writeups I'd seen around here. However, when I arrived, it turned out to be a cheap dive serving lousy beer. If I'd known this before going, I'd have saved myself the 15-hrivna ride from Kreshyatik (~two euro, around half the price of a beer in RP) and spent it somewhere else, having far more fun. That's what this forum is for: giving the bad with the good.
To reiterate: On the night I was there, RP was full of tired hookers, drunk foreigners and cigarette-ends. If this is all somebody wants out of Kiev, then he should go to Amsterdam instead and leave Kiev to the rest of us.
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I don't know what time you were there, but you can be sure that the atmosphere is fascinating between 12 p.m and 2a.m everyday, especially during the winter and spring.
There can be no kind of comparison whatsoever between Amsterdam or any other location in western Europe with Kiev.
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I fully agree with Vegamars.
In fact his comments brought back flashes from my recent trip to RP and alas business prevented me from making one last stop there on the way out of the Ukraine. Whimper.
Detailed flashbacks... (for the few of you who like reading such details...)
I found my 24 yr old blonde acrobatic gymnast and ballerina girls for a hot menage a trois at about 01:00, so Vegamars time frame rings oh so true.
Back at my flat - after a nice bottle of champagne we started off with a real nice bubble bath in the large jacuzzi style bath with cool underwater lights...
Kind of hard to recall all things that evening but I will say that the ballerina girl (cute blonde, thin, no tits, liked being on top in 69) while she took turns going down on me with her friend (the gymnast - really cute, nice tits, very sweet) who took care of my balls licked me down under, and licked and sucked my cock also... endlessly it seemed they both really appreciated how I was gentle and went down on them also... Oh, one sensation I rather liked was that while one was deep throating me gymnast girl who had near c-cup breasts kissed me and then literally shoved her nipples into my mouth.... oh my gawd.... it was so hot....
hum, what else....? In the morning I awoke between both girls, the ballerina dead asleep on my right and the cute gymnast on my left... well, since the gymnast had the nicer tits (I for a quick second pondered how such nice breasts might cause her as a gymnast to fall off a balance beam but perhaps that's why she's doing this kind of 'gymnastics' now....) I felt like exploring that region, well, actually I spooned up next to her and caressed her perfect breasts and as my cock got bigger and harder she stretched her smooth and sleek body in sync with mine letting my cock plow into the folds of her pussy lips. Soon she spread her legs and was rubbing my cock in and out of her pussy. After a while she was moaning... then moaning more loudly she got on top of me and we fucked like banchees, me sucking her perfect breasts, she frenching me deeping, I mounted her and she moved her inner muscles rythmically, with both of us moaning loudly I was hoping that her friend would wake up and help out by licking us both but she was out cold.... so despite the fact that her friend did not join in (till after I came, then for a 2nd morning round) it was as sensual and hot and wet and intense as it gets, halleluyah.
During much of that evening and morning together I played some really cool mezmerizing sensual tango nuevo music which they found loved so much they insisted on taking the CD in the morning.... in return I jokingly insisted on a massage which they gladly provided.... I wanted them to massage my front also (truly) but both sets of hands then lips and tongues went down for yet another energetic (farewell) bbbjtc (having so often seen ladies 'run' in the morning, I didn't expect it) but they almost insisted and, well, as the Star Trek Borg proclaim: 'Resistance is Futile!'.... They were in such good shape, no matter how long I lasted they kept at it. Oh....
Alas, I am thinking of heading back to Kiev in the cold dreary winter when air fares are cheaper (not for business but for monkey business) and the winddows reportedly steamy... Kind of interesting really how in Ukraine it is easier to connect with 2 RP girls rather than one, it's common for them to prefer working together (they feel safer, etc....) ... ah, what a terrible dilema... sigh...
Well, so yes, I agree that the right time for RP is between 12:00 and 02:00.
Rendorseg
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I was in Kiev last month, and I called Sveta. I stayed with her for 3 wonderful days together. I met her in disco River Palace when I visited Kiev several months ago.
When I met her first time there, she was different from others.
She was very shy when I asked to go to my apartment. It was already 4 am. She asked me $100. Usually all other girls asked $200 to $300 to make deal. So I took her to my apartment, and had very nice GFE. I gave her $200 in the morning, and she gave me her mobile phone number.
In the late afternoon, I called her for more night. She came to my apartment at 7pm, and we went to restaurant. After nice food and glass of wine, we came back to home in very good mood. We had really nice sex like with girlfriend. Next morning, she did not want to go back home, but I should go to airport. I gave her $200. She was very happy.
I always missed her and came back to Kiev last month. She liked very much.
I attached her photos. If you planned to go to Kiev, ask me her telephone number. She is absolutely a gem.
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Magictouch:
Caribbean-club (Kominterna street 4)
The only place in Ukraina were i have seen Havana-Club ron ;).
But 25 Griven for a Cubalibre!?
All the other places you are talking about (RP, Modabar, 111...) are not real Ukraina. Forget Kiev and visit other towns.
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As I ponder on my TV this Sunday night the world's all time most pathetic excuse for a pro football team, namely the Dolphins, who ought to relocate to Pensacola, I begin to realize that its time for Jackson to create a new thread here.
Why don't we call it......VegasWorld. Yeah, kind of like Wayne's World, but instead of Garth, we have all these RiverPalace guys whose only purpose is to out-Vega the enigna from mars himself. Not following me?
Try banshee-fucking rythmic muscle mesmerizing salsa followed by methagalactic
jesus blow jobs where 3 out of every 10 girls is a top model.
If that doesn't bake your cake, then try the deep crappiness and quintessance of
disconsiderate flaccid beer as you refuck your low-slung valley of tears.
Like I said, welcome to hell. And you don't even need a visa, a lobotomy will do just fine. No cranial drill bit? Worry not friends, just keep reading down below .
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Forget Kiev and visit other towns???
I wanna forget, but no way..
Why not visit other towns and come back to Kiev at the end?
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Let me remind again that River Palace is only a tiny spot for the endless opportunities that Kiev has to offer.
Some other exciting places for those who wonder:
Shelter
Zair
Hollywood
Velvet
Joss
Split
Matrix
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Does anybody know of any places in or around Kiev like Resttown was a couple of years ago ? I mean a stripclub where you can take the girl to a room right there in the club. I was at Resttown recently and apparently it really doesn't work like that anymore. Very few girls, they don't undress when they dance, and they don't all go to the rooms.
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There are many spots in Kiev, but River Palace is the best.
I go to Kiev at least 3 or 4 times a year. I tried so many places, but I go to River Palace everytime now. Of course, three years ago, we can meet many non pro there. Now, most of girls are pro. Some girls come to the place for three years.
But we can still meet very nice girls sometimes. Of course, they come to the place for money. But you can have real GFE with some girls if you treat them like girl friends.
If you go to the place like Resttown, you cannot have GFE with any girl. Even if you treat her very well, they are mechanical.
Go to River Palace, and find a gem. I already found two gems, Sveta and Tanya. Whenever I go to Kiev, I called them and have a wonderful GFE.
Sveta is 22 years old blond. 170cm slim nice body with very beautiful breasts. I already post her photo with my previous report.
Tanya is 19 years old brown hair model. She has really nice body like model. She is now working as strip dancer in Cabaret, so does not go to River Palace any more. Attached is her photo. If you go to Kiev, and need her telephone number, ask me.
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...RP well aside, though, Kiev is chockful with the most stunning, model-type, bra-less, tight-top, above-hip white-pants, lip-smacking, girls that I've ever seen. Am dying to get back and get to know a few more, or even meet some of the last trip's tally.
Two questions to the group at large:
1. Who speaks russian, and have you found it to be of any use? In RP and other such dives, it's a disadvantage, at least from the point of view of mongering; doesn't lower the price and the girls seem to get suspicious. However, in terms of picking up more normal (and more friendly) girls, it's makes things easy, even if it's only mid-level as mine is. What are people's experiences?
2. Has anybody had hassle in Kiev from LE? The cops I saw kept a low profile around foreigners, but one Aussie guy I met told me that he'd had the stuffing kicked out of him by the local militsia while leaving 111, which I and another friend recommeded to him the previous evening -- yikes :(. When I met him at an internet cafe the following day, he was limping badly [he suspected a broken toe], had two black eyes and a cut on his face. He told me that he'd gone on to 111 after chatting with us and got pretty drunk with a bunch of English guys who he'd just met, then, as he left the club with them, a vanful of passing militsia guys stopped, duffed them up, handcuffed them and threw them all into the back of the van, drove out past the city limits, gave them a second going over and left them there, after nicking their wallets (being careful to return their bank cards). I've no idea whether his story is true, but he didn't look to me like the kind of guy who'd spin a yarn. Has anybody seen or experienced stuff like this? I heard of something like this in St Pete too, but not in Ukraine.
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Mangus
You are new to this planet aren't you?
JQ
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Visiting Kiev soon for a business meeting and will be staying at Hotel President which is not my choice,but the place for our business sessions.
Is there anybody to comment if that hotel is girl-friendly?Any practical advice of mongerers who experienced that hotel will be appreciated.
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No offense, but I'm not really looking for a GFE. Girlfriends are for a GFE and that you can get in your own country. In Kiev I am looking for an inexpensive professional. Does that lack of response mean nobody knows of such a place?
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GuyfmNyk
Of course there are many cheap nonGFE options. Simply read back and ye shall see. Cheap is all relative but you can certainly get by for a few hour stint for $50, overnight sometimes as cheap as $100 for a 7 or 8. Usually after the first time it is possible that a provider will give you a better deal than the initial price. As to where simply do your homework and read the back postings.
If your time is limited I'd spend a bit more (as opposed to blowing a lot of time chasing tail unless that's your thing) so as to have a more pleasureable stay. Whatever...
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The point was really more about the time than the money. At Resttown you could pick out a girl and 15 minutes later you knew if you had chosen correctly. I have found a girl there that I have subsequently met with afterwards at my hotel and it was great. But if you got the wrong girl you could go back upstairs and choose again and you were only out an hour and $50.00.
At RP if you choose the wrong girl it's basically the end of the evening at 3:00AM already back at your room. Anyway, that was why I liked Resttown.
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AndyJ
I've been to Russia and Ukraine quite a lot over the course of the last four years, mostly for short business trips. During the course of that time, my Russian has got okay - somewhere between reasonable conversational and an increasingly long vocab that means I can talk with most people. Whilst it's worth stressing that if you have no Russian at all you can still have a blast in Kiev, the simple truth is that the more Russian you know the more options you have (although no more than knowing some French makes travelling in France easier).
Language skills open up two avenues - girls who speak no English at all and, as discussed on the Moscow board recently, girls who speak some English but aren't too confident in their skills. If you are prepared to make an arse of yourself with these types of girls, it relaxes them and they suddenly find they can speak quite a bit of English. You need a little bit more than the standard page 1 of Learn Russian - "Hello" and "my name is..." - but not that much more. As is the case in a lot of the world, non-English speakers too often seem shy about using their English as they think their language skills aren't all that, whilst most Americans and Brits can't get over how well other people speak English.
With this second category of girl, being too fluent in Russian can be a bit of a drawback, and I've learnt to start at the beginners level of Russian with all girls and see what happens. If their English is truely non-existent, my Russian will get better; if the girls suddenly realise they can speak more English they usually seem to enjoy themselves and like a chance to practice and learn some new words. If you come across any girls in Kiev who can swear in a reasonable London accent, I like to think I have contributed in a completely useless way! Of course the best bit about speaking Russian is being able to understand what the girls are talking about in front of you - another good reason to hide your Russian skills for a bit when you first get together.
If you going to try and work the truely non-pro, non-P4P scene (although money usually plays a part somewhere), then some Russian is pretty essential and this will give you access to the whole city. However, the language thing is the least important part of the game. In EE, I think more than anywhere else I've been, it's all about the attitude. This is as true for the pros as it is regular girls. Put simply and rather obviously, the more the girl wants to spend time with you, the better your chances are. Prices will come down for semi-pros - girls would rather spend the night with someone they like and will price accordingly - they'll be a schmo she doesn't like who'll pay $300 a couple of nights down the line! It's amazing how many guys forget this in somewhere like Kiev. Dive in with the charming opening line of "how much?" and you'll get a quote the question deserves.
Spend some time with the girl, a few drinks, dance, make her laugh, compliment her a bit, a few small and usually meaningless gifts you've brought in from out of town - the same stuff you would do anywhere - and the price of the pros will come down and your chance of getting a regular girl to sleep with you on the first date will be far, far greater; the girls will be more willing once you get back to the flat too.
For the regular girls, if your time is limited, then you need to have a good story behind you too - if you are there for 5 nights and girls know this you'll struggle to get anywhere quickly (you are clearly not boyfriend material) so work on something plausible. If you want a quick screw for cash, there's plenty on offer, but if you're prepared to put a little effort in the rewards can be...glorious!
As for the LE thing, I can only call as I find. I've found Kiev to be possibly the safest place I've visited. I've never felt threatened once. That said, any city has it's dark side and whilst I've never had any problems in Russia either, I know enough horror stories in SpB to know that you need to be careful. If the LE can be grim in Russia, then there is no reason why they can't be grim in Kiev. Same rules apply everywhere - eyes open and don't [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] people off with guns. I'm not saying your Aussie friend did anything to warrant a beating, but the phrase "got pretty drunk with a bunch of English guys" doesn't immedeately suggest that they weren't drawing attention to themselves! Don't [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off the locals!
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Snowy,
It's nice to know there are other's who agree with me about how helpful it is to know some russian. It truly does open up another area and can get you into some ladies you might not know otherwise.
Keep it up.
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Though Russian skills will open some doors for some girls, they will be mainly of lower class and quality.
If you wanna focus on university students and upper class of girls of some remarkable quality, they're so fed up with the local guys and their severe behaviour that they don't prefer to communicate in any sort of Russian that will remind them of their dull lives.
On the contrary, they wanna practice their English and meanwhile hearing some nice words in Russian in between the lines will make them more than pleased so as to make them laugh most of the time as a nice joke.
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Obviously, knowing Russian DOES help, with all kinds of girls.
Snowy's comments are the most sensible in my opinion as he quite accurately addresses the nuances of expressing and utilizing your Russian language skills (or lack thereof) and when not to use them. His point that it isn't always best to speak fluent Russian is a good one and corresponds with Vegamars'(in my opinion grossly exaggerated) theories as well.
Still, the notion that not knowing any Russian or extremely little will not hinder your access to all top Ukrainian girls is both inane, unrealistic and silly.
There all a lot of major babes who speak extremely little or no English and yes, there are many girls of upper class and quality who don't even want to speak English even if they can. The notion that all upper class and educated Ukrainian girls hate speaking Russian is inane and ridiculous.
Can you get by without Russian? Just fine, and yes you will always find some girls that like to speak English.
Will you be able to approach every girl you fancy without Russian? No, you won't.
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I am having work done in Kiev. The monthly wages for top professionals delivering world-class results is about twenty times less then what I am paying for similar labor out of Germany. When I read many reports here, it seems that not all industries enjoy the same bargain pricing, namely vacation housing and personal entertainment. I can't help but believe that a lot of you are foolishly paying hormone driven prices or certain sectors of the Ukrainian economy are terribly unique. Man, a hundred bucks in Kiev will get you the best software engineer, with a PhD, and not for a night but for a week or two!
Forget all this BS of how we are supposed to act with the women to get them to like you etc...
My question to the real experts of our hobby: In Kiev, using race-proven procurement methods, what is a fair price for a night on the town, a dive under the covers, and goodbye over a coffee in the morning?
I have never been in Kiev, so excuse me if I seem to have ridiculous expectations. But at USD 300/night in Kiev means we would be paying around USD 6000/night Munich. We aren't.
Happy Mongering!
Pepe
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The situation in Ukraine is a little bit different than it is in Russia.
The hate against Russian and the preference of Ukrainian on especially the western part of the country including Lvov symbolizes their independence against Russia.
If you try to speak in Russian in Lvov for instance, it could be difficult to get a reply at all.
The official written language is Ukrainian in the whole country and recently all students in university have had the choice of selecting between Russian and Ukrainian as the language of education.
Hence, if you really wanna express a girl in Ukraine, you could try to learn some Ukrainian.
In my opinion, the language barrier is not a problem that will interfere with communication cause our real aim is not communicating at all.
At times it's much better ro understand each other..
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Vegamars:
I have been to both Russia and Ukraine and yes, they are different. And the same.
Everybody has different methods of wooing girls and consequently various degrees of success.
Since this forum question was posted as information for newbies to Kiev however, I maintain that you are still better off knowing Russian than not knowing it. I think this is obvious.
In areas of Ukraine where Russians are particularly despised you may not want to speak Russian, granted... if however they don't speak English... especially a factor in smaller cities without a large student or well-educated population... they will speak Russian with you if it is the only method of communication.
Moreover, I also didn't detect the kind of hatred for the Russian language that you seem to have experienced. Admittedly however I haven't been to Lvov or the western areas of the Ukraine that you have travelled and cannot comment on that. In the center, east and south however Russian is widely spoken and accepted without a hint of animosity.
In Kiev in particular, and that is what we are talking about especially for the tourist monger, you are better off with Russian than without. It isn't absolutely necessary (especially with pros) but certainly helps.
If I can get away with speaking English with girls, I will. Obviously it is easier for me. But when making no headway with English whatsoever or a girl doesn't seem responsive to English, knowing Russian will definitely help get your foot in the door with some girls who are either not able to speak Russian or are not willing/confident enough to try their English. And besides, it maybe just me, but I think it is a sign of respect to at least try to speak a language that they understand. Making an effort, no matter how pathetic, is appreciated and may get you that indicative "fuck me" smile that you are looking for.
I've had to speak Russian to Ukrainian girls on many occassions... communication just wasn't possible with their miserable or non-existent English. Perhaps I have been only speaking to uneducated trash (your definition)... they still looked pretty damn good though.
And understanding each other, as you put it, is a form of communication. Granted communication is accomplished through many methods... but in 99% of the cases you are still going to have to speak to the girl and if all else fails, god forbid, speak a language she understands. In many cases, it isn't English.
You are obviously doing well with your method of avoiding speaking Russian and thankfully this will work with enough girls to keep you and most mongers happy. I still maintain that speaking Russian, even in the Ukraine, will open new doors and avenues to you and most certainly open a few sets of long slender perfect legs as well.
You will continue to do whatever works for you and your comments and advice are appreciated by myself and many others.
Newbies however would still be well-advised to learn some basic Russian (don't waste your time on Ukrainian unless you are planning on spending a lot of time in Ukraine) to help them achieve their goals and if nothing else, make them feel more comfortable in a country in which the ridiculous notion that "everybody speaks English" is an illusion.
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Other than Premier Palace and Dnipro, you'll encounter some kind of problem for bringing a girl in, which is not so difficult to settle down.
Especially in hotels like Ukraina and Kreshatik, the hotel security tries to take control so that you'll be dependent on the private room service within the hotel.
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I stayed in the Dnipro just a few weeks ago and they now also look for $20 at hotel security if you are bringing a girl up to your room at night.
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Ahh, the good Doctor! I think you wrote everything I wanted to say in response to Vegamars, although somewhat more eloquently.
I sometimes wonder if I'm going to a different Kiev, and indeed Ukraine, to the one Vegamars inhabits. His point about Ukrainians having a negative attitude to Russian speaking foreigners, is just not relevant to this forum. I do a limited amount of business and consultancy throughout Ukrain and, from an international perspective, its English first, Russian second and probably French, Spanish, Italian and numerous other languages before Ukrainian gets a mention. It's not expected by anyone. In Kiev especially, Russian seems to me the main social language spoken by the locals - they may do business in Ukrainian, but they socialise in Russian.
Throughout Ukraine, the dislike of Russians does not impact on foreigners unless you speak and act like a native Russian; you simply won't be classified in the same group. It just ain't an issue!
I think the key point from a mongering perspective is the one Doctor Skank makes about showing some respect and it is always - always! - well received. Every girl I've met in Ukraine finds it hysterical that I speak Russian (I have a shocking accent when I speak quickly and sound like the guy from the CD when I speak slowly). Even if we communicate in English, they'll always be a point where she'll teach me a few Russian phrases. Any "relationship" - even in the P4P arena - is better when there is a degree of equity. The attitude of the girl is just better, she gets to feel a bit superior (or it shows some vulnerability on your half), she is more relaxed and it works....for me....although apparently only with girls "of lower class and quality". Man alive!! I can't actually believe you wrote that trash - I'm stuck in London for a while and I would chew my arm off this evening for any of the girls "of lower class and quality" I've met in Kiev, and I'm a picky bugger.
I won't be in Kiev for a while, but now it's easy for fellow WSGers to recognise me - I'm the English bloke in the club, speaking a bit of Russian, with some hideous, lower class chav on my arm!
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Aynak,
The President Hotel lobby bar is full of hookers from about 10 onwards. For this reason bringing in girls is discouraged but $20 to security will cover that. Have a word with the security guy manning a pedestal desk beside front door first.
The girls who look after the rooms live on the floor level they work on. Some are very pretty and will do the deed for half the price the hookers want.
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My point for Ukrainian was not for Kiev as I've pointed out.
If you happen to pass through Lvov or any small city around, just ask any native citizen what he or she thinks about Russia, nothing to be ashamed of or to take personally.
What I've reported is all out of observations and perceptions from a wider angle, I don't intend to influence anyone with my personal thoughts and that's why I've never talked about some really surprising unexpected unpleasent incidents that have taken place in many countries.
Of course this point is worth mentioning in terms of mongering in the right manner.
Otherwise, everything would be so straightforward throughout every location in CIS and we would need just one single forum..
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Vegamars,
I can say exactly the opposit thing about Kharkov. If you try speaking Ukrainian in Kharkov, people will think you are a lower class cleaner or something similar from the western Ukraine. Kharkov, Donetsk, Dnepropetrovsk and all the big industrial cities east of Kiev are practically 100% Russian speaking.
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I really appreciated the discussions on the importance of learning Russian to score with girls.
Can the distinguished members of this forum share your experience on how you learned the language and how long it took you? Any particular programs.
Thanks
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In most of hotels in Kiev, you will encounter problem with security when you want to bring a girl into the hotel.
The best option is to rent private apartment. There are so many apartment rental business in Kiev. Some of them give you official receipts for you to use for your business trip.
If you want to rent very nice apartment in the center of Kiev, ask me the phone number. I don't know if I can post the number here.
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You're exactly right! The big cities on the east close to the Russian border such as Donetsk, Lugansk, Dniepropetrovsk, Zaporojzhe and Kharkov are much more interrelated with Russian.
Out of these places, especially Dniepropetrovsk and Lugansk are quite interesting and attractive in terms of hot girls.
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I learned Russian with Pimsleur. Works great to get started and learn enough to get around.
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Chorfa1
I'm not a natural linguist and I found the CDs tough going and pretty boring as a way of learning Russian. I picked up one of the learn Russian books initially and just started learning words that might be useful. By doing this I got my vocab to 300 words fairly quickly or so and found that I was able to understand the gist of a lot of conversations when in EE and make myself understood. After that I started trading language lessons with some Russian friends living in London/Kiev/SPB and this improved my skills better than any other CD or book - it teaches you how to understand Russian speakers at natural conversation pace - Russians and Ukrainians just refuse to speak as clearly or slowly as those guys on the CD. bastards.
PP Tours
What you pay workers and what P4P costs just aren't comparable. I'm a bit bored of people quoting economic stats in relation to punting prices. P4P quoting works both ways - yes the average wage in Ukraine is much lower than other places in Europe/States, but then again the people coming into somewhere like Kiev also have a different frame of reference. An overnight in England costs $800 min, and $1700 is not a surprisingly high quote. With that in mind $2-300 sounds like a bargain - most of the pros are aware of this discrepancy. Pricing for out-of-towners is created by both demand and supply and the expectations of both parties. As long as there are enough people to pay $200 for a session, why should the girls charge less? I get as much out of my clients as I can too.
If you come to Kiev for P4P with the attitude that you'll just pay what you consider to be the appropriate price based on the average wage you'll have a fairly lonely time. You said that "a hundred bucks in Kiev will get you the best software engineer, with a PhD, and not for a night but for a week or two!" - ask him if you can fuck him for that money, and see what his response is!
In answer to your question about what a good night in Kiev costs - $30-40 will give you a great evening out - entry into a club or two, pay for the taxis, allow you to buy a few drinks for you and a new friend or two. You can do it for less, you can spend a lot more - depends what you want to do.
Typical P4P price from River Palace/Moda - $150 as standard - $50 either way depending on the time of the year, number of foreigners around, time of the month (if the girl needs money for rent, she won't blow a chance for a good earner - if she's had two $300 clients the last two nights, why would she screw a tightwad for $100 or less?). This sort of money may get you an all nighter or just a couple of hours - depends on the girl and your negotian skills. Dial in escorts are $70-100 for a couple of hours.
On the other hand the frebbie scene is fantastic if you're prepared to put the effort in and learn how to press the right buttons with the locals. Each country has cultural differences which are worth learning about to get to this aim...which is why talking about these sort of things across the forum is not BS!
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Snowy,
You may not be a natural linguist but you are definitely a cunning linguist. Thanks for the info.
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I am sorry Snowey, but you are very wrong. Where I live you can get 2 girls for all nighters, in the states. I mean you are more then welcome to pay 300 dollars for an hour or two, but that im my opion is just plain wastefull.
It is very true that Ukraine is a very poor country, but the majority of the wealth is centralized in the capitol. Apartments for sale are about 1200 and 1700 per square meter in the dontown area, sometimes more that. The house I live in cost about the same, and I do not live in a slum. It is in a suburb of a major metropolitian city.
I use to pay about 6 dollars for pussy in Ukraine and they were not pad at all, real GFE. No rush, and they did almost everything I asked forl. This was not a fluke. I use to get that type of service all the time in Ukraine. All thie girls know, that in Kiev, because its the capatial (thats where the money is). and that there arr too many ineestranzi there, that they can pretty much charge what every they want to and people will pay it. At least the torist will pay for it, but. I dont know too many locals that would pay 300 dollars for a couple of hours of pussy. Really, I hear this and I really am in shock that people would actually pay that much money for something like that.
I read the Argientianian boards alot and for top grade pussy (model type), it cost about 150 to 200 pesos. Its like 50 dollars for an hour or too. I understand that the latin women there are hot, and totaly preformers. It really makes me wonder why forieners are so wastefull? I remember I did have sex with some escorts in Kiev a while ago and I though that was expensive. It was about 30 dollars. That was before all the ineestranzi came and destroyed the market. The sex I had was nothing special. I am not sure if it was just my bad luck or what, but I would only rate them as average. Who am I to say anything about it? I am gratefull for the Americians boosting the local economy, because I know that the average Ukrainian knows what its like not to have money, and knows the value of a dollar. Really, thes people can make something from nothing. Anything to improve the standard of living there is fine by me. I have a certian fondness for the people that live there. I just would never pay 300 dollars to anyone for sex, ever and I never will (well maybe if there were Janet Jackson or Penolobe Cruz, I might thingk about it).
Not even in a major city in the US would I pay such prices. Hell, I use to love Amsterdam, but even that is too expensive for me now. Besides, its like a fuck factory there. Most of the girls just want to kick you out after 15 minutes. I can imagine thats what the mentality will be like for the girls, in kiev soon. If people will pay crazy amounts of money for a few hours of sex, even if there is no garrentee that it will be a GFE, then I am afraid that Kiev will be just like other mongering place in westen Europe where the girls try to get rid of you as fast as possible. Its a shame, but if the girls can get it, then more power to them.
Just my opion.
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Member2001
We're actually in complete agreement! This is not a local board, and I think most the people who read this forum will not be able to get local prices. I'm not disputing that local prices are more in line with the economy - of course they are - but these prices are not really available to foreigners. I wasn't discussing whether the prices were "correct", I was just saying that these were the prices as this was what the market will pay and that, from the girl's perspective, I understand why they charge as much as they can.
As you said, in Kiev the market prices have been screwed up by increased foreigners coming in, but that is the reality (sorry on behalf of all us to you locals!). I was answering the guys query about the actual prices, and I was trying to point out that to apply a simple economic model based on average wages wasn't realistic. As you mentioned, this is not unique to Kiev - the prices in Argentina are also not in line with the economy and this is true of many other countries (especially the bigger cities).
From an outsider's perspective, I don't think Kiev is screwed up P4P. As long as you need a visa - and that the visa is a pain to get - that Ukraine will not be overrun with foreigners; to understand what it could be like with simpler access go to Tallin and to a lesser extent Riga and Vilnius.
I still say, for the travelling monger, there is no better place to go for quality and opportunity and that without too much effort you'll end with great looking, intelligent and fun ladies with little financial outlay.
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As long as there will always be unconscious and desperate mongerers, the prices will eventually increase in a straight upward directions everywhere in the world, no matter what the special conditions are or no matter how poor the economy is.
Ukraine might be poor on the whole, but as in every country there's an uncredibly rich class especially in Kiev.
I've seen many local guys ready to spend thousands of dollars on a single girl, not knowing how their relation would turn out to be.
Though the prices have risen up in the past couple of years and will soon boost up to incredible levels, the good thing about Ukraine and Kiev is that it's still possible to find decent girls ( especially students) for 30-50 bucks for 1-2 hours.
The same prices apply even for some decent agencies like gia ( after a little negotiation and usually after 1st time-- I know that their standard price for 1hr is 60-70 bucks)
There are and there will always be enough ways of exceptions if you're patient enough and this is the good adventurous attractive side of Kiev.
What is more, you've always got the optional freebie scene with the all-time-guaranteed-stable-rate !!!!
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Besides the CD's which may or may not work for you, you could try looking at the local universities. Since the Curtain came down, there are more and more foreign exchange students attending local universities and community colleges.
If you contact the local university in your area, say you are interested in learning russian and are there any russian exchange students who they could recommend as tutors.
This does two things. First, it gets you one on one with someone who is fluent in the language and also get you valuable tips on the local customs as well.
This helps you avoid doing something that may be against local customs which could see you go home empty handed or get into
an argument with someone that could end the wrong way.
Learning some of the local language and customs does help open up more doors than it closes because it shows respect. Something they don't see a lot of.
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Dear fellow mongers,
I will be visiting Kiev around the 10th of october with a couple of friends, and I would like some informations please. First of all I understand that the best choice is to find a nice appartment instead of a hotel, is uaapartments reliable? I checked but they told me that as we are going to stay only 3 nights they cannot guarantee us the specific apartment. Do you have any other suggestions? (we are looking only for super luxury ones as when we travel, men's only, we want to do it in style).
What about places to go, River palace is top quality for models type girls? Any other? Also I would like to ask about escort agencies reliable, and that girls are really the ones showing on the site., as we would like some action during the day too. or maybe any other suggestions for mongering during the day.
Lastly I would like to know if someone can recommend me trendy and upscale restaurants and bars and also clubs where locals go, not necessarely with pros, but trendy crowds, upscale and with possibility that the ladies may speak english a little, trendy freebies.
Thanks alot for your help, looking forward for my trip and hope to write a full report on my experiences there
George
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Last month I visited Kiev for 3 night I rented an apartment in the center of the city It cost me 50$ a day good quality. My friend's girlfriend rented the apartment for me (She's Ukrainian) I haven't contact. I can give you this web address http: //www. alserent. kiev. ua/ I visited River Palace twice I had only 3 night to spend in Kiev so I preferred go in a sure place. The entrance cost 30 or 50 depend the day, the entrance at week end is more expensive. The place has 3 floor:
Downstairs there is a video bar, the first floor has a disco and some slotmachines, Up stairs there is a casino. The leady are everywhere but especially in the disco. The girls don't approach you, you have to to do the first step. The price starting from 150$.
A girl asked me 250$ but at the end I gave her 150$. River palace haven't bed rooms you have to bring them in your apartment.
I stayed with 2 girls in different days, I paid both 150$ for 2-3 hours. The first one was quite could, but the second one was good, uncovered BJ, french kiss. I went in Disco too, "Caribbean Club" Most of the girls there are no prof. it's very easy to approach them but you need time to go to bed.
Bye
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Question to the Kiev gurus----> I have heard that winter can be a good time for River Palace (students, etc...) BUT if I go there between Xmas and New Years will the place be dead due to the holidays (girls visiting family, etc....)???
Giorgio - Most of your questions will be answered if you do your homework and read over past posts. Relative to those uaapamts and other such agencies they can be a bit flaky sometimes but they really ought to be able to promise you a definite place, if they can't then try another outfit.
Spaceebah bolshoi.
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My wife and I had a great time in KIEV, 5 days in April 2004.
Thousands of beautiful girls in the streets, wearing sexy clothes.
I just want to strongly recommand an escort agency, which is very serious and reliable compared to average ones.
It's called StarsFromHeaven. Lola, the manager of the website, is a very helpful girl.
We had 2 meetings with an incredible girl called Marianna, a girl who really loves sex in many different ways.
We also met Irma, which was quite disappointing.
A 3 hours date costed 200 euros.
I could also recommand a night club called Modabar, where there is like 90% of women. Just ask a taxi, it's the trendiest club right now in the city center, on the docks.
Frenchycouple
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The Christmas in Ukraine is only on January 7th instead of December 24th.
There are also some national holidays during the first two weeks of January, so there's a long siesta starting on New Year till January 14th which is celebrated wildly throughout the country.
During that period most girls will be away in hotter places either around Crimea or in other countries in the south.
Hence, the period between Catholic Christmas and New Year is not so bad, but I would prefer to go after the third week of January when all the chicks are back for university.
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Oh, Guru, I bow to thee in thanks.
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Well, I just read the report about Ukrainian holidays around the beginning of January. I am planing a trip in January but I won't arrive until at least January 18th. How is that when it comes to women? What are the alternatives or places to go?
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I was looking for air tickets to India, AeroSvit came in as one of the options and they offer a free stop over in Kiev. So seems like i can finally make it to Kiev this year (dec 28 - jan 2).
Couple of questions, please point me to old posts if they have been answered already.
1. How serious is the introduction from ukrainian travel agency/ hotel? Can i get a letter from a hotel in kiev for all 5 days stay but later on move to Odessa or elsewhere? I once got marriott to reserve a hotel for me in vienna, and i got the visa with the confirmation. I cancelled that reservation without any penalty, after i got the visa. No one checked.
(Just that I will like to keep my program flexible)
2. I am going to get my visa on my own from the embassy. looked like a pretty straighforward thing. 9 days from the embassy, with a complete form and letter from travel agency in ukraine. But the emabssy told me that i can only get a single or multiple entry tourist visa. How do you all manage 5 year business visas?
3. What places should be avoided during Dec 28 - Jan 2? I amassuming that , it will be holidays in universities.
4. I am planning to visit both kiev and odessa. Mongering is fine but I like to see the country too. Especially beautiful buildings in kiev and the black sea coast in odessa. How should i split my brief stay?
5. What is a good gift, to take for someone in ukraine? (say for a business associate or if i get invited to someone's home for dinner)
6. How is aerosvit as an airline? especially on the transatlantic route?
Thanks in advance.
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I went right in Serenda at 2a.m last night as soon as I was back from Bodrum.
The place was flooded with girls and only a few guys at that time of the night.
The new pick was a slim tall 21-year-old, black-haired Romanian with a real pretty face that I had been following around for a long time around 3.30 a.m and it was really worth it.
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Vegamars-
Don't recall hearing about Serenda - a bar, or what?
Rendorseg
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I wrote it on purpose to wake you gus all up!!
Are you all sleeping?? At least you're not!!!
Serenda is in Istanbul..
Have any of you visited Mandarin Bar lately?? You'll be really surprised if you go there after 2 a.m
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Aerosveet is quite a serious company with a good service..
The period from December30th till January14th is the worst time for mongering in Ukraine.
The longest interval you can get a multiple entry visa for Ukraine is 2 years, but that's only restricted to a few countries that Ukraine has close relations with.
As for a comparison, if you wanna get a long-term visa for Belarus or Russia, you've gotto be living there permanently and you can only apply within the country to receive it for a max one year after a long procedure.
If you wanna explore Ukraine, you should head for Crimea, Yalta, Lvov and Donetsk in addition to Kiev rather than Odessa, which is just a small ordinary city by the sea.
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For some bizarre reason, Americans (and only Americans) can get 5 year multi entry business visas
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Vegamars
I think you had one too many shots of pepper Horilka when writing that field report, but that's OK. Rather than being in Kiev during the holidays I'm heading to hotter tropical climes. (I do miss my little spinner acrobatic gymnast though....)
Poka
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royal21,
Maximum visa duration depends on visa arrangements between Ukraine and your country of citizenship and your country of residence, and these arrangements differ significantly.
The lucky guys getting a 5 year visa are US citizens. However, although the "5 year" is still mentioned on the web site of The Ukraine Embassy in Washington DC (click [url=http://www.ukraineinfo.us/consular/visas.html#duration]here[/url]), for some reasons several web visa services now propose only 3 years, for example [url=http://www.ukraine-visa.com/visa_fees.php]here[/url] and [url=http://www.gotorussia.com/visa_services_ukraine.htm]here[/url].
For other citizens, it partly also depends on in which country you file your application. For example, I'm Swiss, and got only a 6 month visa when I filed my application in the US some years ago, while now in France they give me one year.
[i]edited: Didn't see RM's post while I was typing mine. Sorry for being repetitive[/i] :D
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So, I just got back from Kiev and I will say the girls at the strip club in the Dnipro Hotel are the hottest girls I have ever seen at any strip club. Every girl's body was a 10. Now don't get me wrong, there were girls with big tits, little tits, tall bodies, short bodies, flat asses, button asses, etc. but every one of them was over the top hot. And just about every one of them had a beautiful face. I like a nice face on a woman and I was completely happy with the faces I saw at that club. Maybe it was the beer, maybe it was the lighting or maybe the atmosphere but the women at that club were spectacular. I could have sat for hours and watch them dance around that pole (and I did!)
I asked the bouncer what it costs to take one of them home and was told $400.00. When I am rich and famous I know what I am going to get myself for Christmas!!
After sitting at that club I went to River Palace.
I have been reading about River Palace for way too long and I was ready for the most beautiful women that Kiev had to offer at the low price of $150.00 for the night. Now maybe it was because I got there too late or maybe it was my high expectations or maybe it was because I had spent the last 4 hours watching the girls at the Hotel Dnipro strip cub but I was not happy with the selection at River Palace. Average at best! But average is sometimes pretty damn good because the last night in Kiev I brought home, from River Palace, a girl that could not get enough dick. I mean she came 5 or 6 times each time we had sex. And even after I came and she came for the last time she still was working it just so she can feel dick inside her. If you guys ever meet a short, dirty blonde haired girl that sometimes stutters, grab her, for she is a fuckinahalf!
Now for something of use. My big complaint about the board is no new news. A lot of mental masturbation but no new info. so I will now add to the board some info. that will actually help people get laid in Kiev and not just be the crappola that I have been reading about for the last bunch of months (please do not be offended if you were the one writing all that crappola for I've had a couple of beers and know not what I write) So here is the new info. that I have never seen on this board. I found the best deal to be the exotic massages that are advertised in the back of one of the English language newspapers. $30 to $40. No sex but a wonderful hour with a great ending. There, some info. I have not read about. Some new info. added to the board! Now if someone reads my post looking for info. on getting laid in Kiev he (or she) will not have completely wasted his (or her) time! You other guys should always do the same with your posts. Quit holding back on info. Who cares about apartments, hotels, visas, airlines, taxis, buses, sewer systems and which street has the most beautiful architecture if you are not getting laid!
I want to live in Kiev. I have found if you are going to stay in Kiev for a while you can have your pick of the litter. It is truly amazing what the girls of Kiev will give you if you are going to stay. They are looking for a green card, they are looking for a rich westerner to take care of them and the children you and they are going to have, they are looking for a westerner to take care of them or they are looking for a westerner to show off to to all their girlfriends. Minimum, worst-case scenario, you are arm candy! I am not kidding. I am in my 40s and I am arm candy to hot girls who are 21. Jesusmotherfuckinchrist I love this city! And the last thing I am going to say (I promise it will not be insulting to anyone) is LEARN TO SPEAK RUSSIAN!! It will open many doors!
So I want to thank all of you for your contributions that helped me in my travels and I hope that I helped you in your quest. Best Regards, BD
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Hello Everyone,
This will be my first post so I would like to start with thanking Jackson and all the contributors to the Forum from which I have greatly benefited.
Just came back from Kiev from a 3 day visit. Nothing much new to add, the first night met a girl I've known from the net, had a nice dinner, went to a couple of bars. At one point, it became evident that it was going to be hard to get laid at the first date so I went to RP around 2.30 am, picked an average girl for $ 100, brought back to Hotel Rus, very friendly doormans, tipped them $ 10 and we were up in the room in a sec. She was average in bed but very cuddly, she didnot even want to go in the morning but i needed some sleep.
Second night (sunday), I was determined to make up for the average start by picking a stunner. At that point, I made a strategic mistake and went to RP again. I thought I was only playing safe, but to my horror there were more guys than girls, saw only three VERY hot babes, the first picked up instantly for an ask price of $ 200. I hit for the second, a 22 year old student, she started with $ 200, we ended on $ 150, but later on she came to me and said she can not come alone, she has this friend with her and they need to go back home together so I should take them both for $ 150 each. Her friend was below average so I passed. Hit on the third gem, again a student of 20 year old, gorgeous body, after some chat I brough up the subject, she said OK, went to the bar to pick her bag but at that second a guy she was talking earlier offered her $ 200 and she blow me off. I dont know maybe it was not only the money, maybe my attitude was bad, I was under time pressure, I was drunk and I had forgotten that this was only supposed to be fun. Anyway lost enthusiasm and head back to the hotel empty handed.
Third night, not wanting to repeat the same mistakes, I asked for some expert help from Vegamars, Rendorseg and Snowy, thank you all guys, decided on Gia for a short time which turned out to be one of the greatest fucks in my life..strongly recommend it, they are very professional, the girl i had picked enjoyed sex so much and the money you spent well worth it compared to the amateur hookers that you meet at RP, IMHO of course.
Now, Kiev has become one of my favorite places in the planet, I think Ukranian women are priceless. My god, those short skirts, super sexy legs, stunning smiling faces will fill my dreams for a while and I am already planning to go back there in April, rent a studio and enjoy the beauties.
But first, Thailand in November :)
Cheers,
Atre
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Looking for a westerner to take care of them in Kiev??
That's been very true, but about 10-12 years ago...
I hope you're aware of the economical development,number of rich people and the average income of the girls in Kiev..
The statistical figures don't reveal the whole scene cause most of the capital both in the country and circulating abroad is out of record.
River Palace is the most famous place for mongering, but certainly it doesn't reflect the best quality, especially after 2.30 a.m.
Alternatively, places like Zair, Joss, Mandarin, etc. enable to encounter freebies as well as semi-pros.
Millenium ( strip club in Dnipro ) is quite an attractive place, but if you consider the girls there as the hottest and most valuable, i cannot imagine how you would compare the much better opportunities..
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I am planning to go from Warsaw to Ukraine, but I hear that some car rentals due not allow you to go from Poland to the FSU or Ukraine. Can someone shed some light on that?
It shoulds like the women are great looking, short skirts and great leggs, but the price seems a bit high at $150- 200
I could get a women here for less. Where are the hot spot that always seem to have women?
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Hey Big V, It was just that all I had to do was open my mouth and start talking and the girls would react in such a way that it was truly amazing!!! I don't dress like I am rich so I thought it was because I was an American but maybe it was me. Thanks for the ego boast!!!
What strip club has girls so much hotter than the girls at the Millenium club? I love seeing beautiful girls take off their clothes!! It is one of my favorite things to view. The sexier the better! And if there are strip clubs that have girls that are more beautiful than the club at the Dnipro, OH MY GOD! PLEASE TELL US!!!!
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Hi Atreides75!
Are you an intelligent guy? 200$ for a girl in Kiev?
I just walked up to one on Krysh and started to chat and got laid the next night. I think people like you are the biggest problem when travelling around. There are always people who throw around there money and destroys the market.
What I'm saying is that you can get a girl in Ukraine just buying her a dinner.
Primo
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The quality of GIA has increased very much recently just like the good old days..
It serves a very good opportunity for those who wanna go for the guaranteed service and experience and you'll never be disappointed if you focus on especially the blondes in the agency.
The hot spots for strip bars and possible action are Bingo, Matrix, Chicago, F1, Hollywood, Zair, Saigon, Velvet, Studio54, Joss, Step by Step, Split, Evrika and Cabaret.
An alternative place for erotic massage and more is
anahata.kiev.ua
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So those strip clubs are that much hotter than the Dnipro? WOW!!! Can't wait! I guess every girl in thoses clubs would be a 10!!!!! You De Man Big V!!!
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Dobra utrau!!
The selections that Kiev has to offer are endless and there's always a better choice.. vsegda
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Vegamars,
If you could only go to one of the clubs below, which one would you go to in terms of most beautiful ladies on a consistant basis???
Bingo, Matrix, Chicago, F1, Hollywood, Zair, Saigon, Velvet, Studio54, Joss, Step by Step, Split, Evrika and Cabaret.
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Zair is a very interesting place located in the forest outside the city with a hotel near it.
Joss also has quite an attractive atmosphere.
Considering all, there's not so much difference between all these places in terms of good quality and possibilities of mongering.
Moreover,all of these also have disco sections full of youngsters of 18-21 age range.
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If you think Polish girls are just the same, then there's no reason to go for Ukraine at all.
Let me remind you to take a look at gia.com.ua just for a comparison for the millionth time... 50-60 bucks for the hour..
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Atreides75,
Just out of interest, who did you go for at Gia?
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V- So if all those clubs have about the same quality in girls where's the ones that you were talking about that are so much better than the girls at the strip club at the Dnipro Hotel?
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Big v I'm beginning to think that you were just belittling my report...
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You can presume it in any way you wish..
I just warn you about even better places and it's up to you whether you wanna visit or not...
The most special thing about Kiev is that there's never a best but always a bester..
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Hey Folks,
Been lurking here quite awhile and most everything that could be said has been said on this board but I thought I would add a few items for those who may have more time to spend in Kiev to check out the more 'local' scene.
I live in Kiev but I am back in the US for a few weeks on business. I have a steady Ukrainian girl friend now so I have kinda slowed a bit on the PFP Kiev scene. But along that line I always had a great experience at a Strip Club/Sauna called The Queen Bee in Obelon. 5 Malinovskogo St.l Excellent selection of girls and sauna prices are reasonable. 150 hrv for sauna and another 250 hrv for full service. More on the Queen Bee, PM me.
As far as local clubs (non-strip) in addition to the ones that Vega has so elloquently covered, I found much success both pro and especially non-pro at any of Eric's bars. Art Club 44, 111, and of course Eric Bierstraube. Many women looking for ex-pat action there and they come there knowing that is what they are going to find. Best advice is hook up with a local ex-pat (we are not hard to find as you can spot a foreigner in Kiev a mile away) and go from there. Most are more than willing to help a visitor provided that you keep the secrets of Kiev just that...a secret! It is definately the best city in the world. For many reasons.
I enjoy the posts here and if I can help at all, PM me.
J
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Ok, I'll take you as a person who does not belittle other people's reports. So, where is (or are) this strip club (or clubs) where the girls are so much hotter than the Dnipro Hotel strip club?
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Zair, Joss, Chicago and Hollywood are the most appealing ones as far as I can see.
Any taxi driver would know the places, so it's not a problem to find out the locations.
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Primo Bolan,
I guess you didnt get it right. I did not pay anyone $ 200. I know very well that you can do it for a dinner or for free but it was my first time in Kiev, been there for only 3 nights and i did not have any time to waste!
Neilsydney. it was Rita.
2 hours $ 100
3 hours $ 130
Can you the tell no of the English speaking operator if you need it, just pm me.
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So all thoses clubs are full of girls that put the Dnipro club girls to shame?
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having finally received my posting privileges today, i will start with a thank you to all of you. i read the many past posts leading up to my visit to kiev last week. it prepared me for a number of things which i will share, as it verifies some and adds to a few other reports.
i was on business and did not have a choice on accomodations. i was at the president hotel kievsky. the hotel is dull as hell, has a strip club called night air that is way overpriced, and a casino that reminded me of being in church. however, at 10 pm sharp, a stream of girls arrive in the lobby bar(some go downstairs to casino). my 7 nights of quality checks reveals that they range from fat and smelly(no, she did not get to my room) to tall and very sexy(yes, she did).
automatic pricing - $150 euro for 3 hours. that's what they say. they pay security. you do not. i told every single one who talked to me that $150 euro was too much. three out of four offered discounts - $100 euro for same time. i took the offer twice, each time approx 1 am. in both cases i got my three hours and woke up for an extra hit in the morning. by 4am they just didn't want to leave. with these girls you do not have to pay security, but you do have to give your room number, which they in turn "register" with security. i had no problems at all, but just beware. youngest age in lobby bar - 25. so if you want the teens, this isn't the place.
first girl - viola - tall, long dark hair, excellent english speaker. starts out great and finishes even better if you treat her nice and eat a lot of pussy. believe me, my tongue brought me extra extra extra. (first taste of kiev)
second girl - anna(sixth night in kiev) - maybe 27,28. not that great looking but not heavy or smelly. what she lacked in age and looks, she made up in creativity. a very anal lady, she massaged the inside of my rectum while sucking away(something i like), and then she flipped and actually asked for it up the ass. she had lubed herself, she was ready and she had more lube if needed(very unusual in my experience where yes they do anal but no they have no lube). again, anna stayed to morning and gave me a great blow job to start the day.
i did not get phone numbers because i knew where to find them if i wanted them again.
so what about the other five nights? vegamars asked in a recent post if anyone had been to mandarin lately. that would be me! i skipped all of the strip clubs, i skipped rp, etc and went into mandarin. if you don't like euro techno music, the place will drive you crazy! the 2 nights i went, i arrived right at 12. (early, i know.) but having never been there i was checking it out so as to have time to go to another club if needed.
first night, i was sitting on my stool at the bar ogling the 15 girls rep001tered along both bars by the dance floor. two girls got up and started dancing with each other - youngsters. one blonde, one gothic black. the blonde waved me out to dance so i did. we danced maybe 10 minutes and i found out they both spoke decent english. i excused myself and went back to sit down. i got mobbed by one girl after another asking me to dance. (there were maybe 6 other guys but nobody was dancing.) i danced off and on for about an hour. finally i danced with the first two again and asked the blonde if she wanted to come to the hotel for the night. she said yes, for $150 dollars, but her friend must also come for $150. (sound familiar?) i smiled and told her that they were both beautiful but that was just too much money. she stepped over and talked to her friend and then stepped back and asked if $100 dollars each was too much.
now all of this talk about prices going up in kiev is certainly true. but what i was looking at was(i found out later for sure) an 18 year old black haired beauty and a 19 year old blonde hottie.(i am 48). i'm sorry, but there isn't a dick on this board who would have said no.
at the hotel i had to pay security $20 dollars. he never asked me for room number. naturally the girls turned on mtv equivalent as soon as we got there. off came all clothes and into the shower we all went.....i am not going to fill pages with the rest. suffice it to say they had a dozen condoms between them and all of them got used between 2am and 2pm. (yes there was some sleep.) the girls were diligent about not sharing a condom but didn't hesitate to switch places whether sucking or fucking. i had my face constantly buried in one pussy or another, one ass or another. i never had to try to put my cock anywhere, it was taken well care of by them. i got their phone numbers and off they went in the afternoon. i then slept the rest of the evening.
my second visit to the mandarin was partly to see if alesia and anna were part of the every night crowd. they were not. i ended up taking a girl named oksana back to the hotel with me for $100 dollars. low level english. we had a nice 3 hours, and she was in no hurry. i was stunned when as i was cumming, she whipped off the condom and took my load in her mouth. she said she wanted to taste my "milk". no, she did not swallow.
i took a night off next day. then i called anna and alesia and we had another all nighter. same deal. they are so good and so enjoyable as people, let alone sex partners, i asked to spend my last night with me also. i had late checkout, so we drank, ate, danced, fucked and sucked all night. these young girls were awesome.
what do i think of kiev? like that needs an answer. i did my share for the economy without driving up the price. there is no where in the world i wouldn't pay the prices i did for the service i got. always negotiate, no matter what your dick is telling you. i would also say, have no fear of the security at the president hotel. they were decent and reasonable. i always walked the girls to taxis when they were leaving to be sure security didn't hit them for a second contribution.
i live in tbilisi, republic of georgia. i am going to start posting for tbilisi also. i figured i would cover kiev in one note. tbilisi will earn me senior membership!
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I'm so glad that at last someone has tried out a more natural place like Mandarin, it will surely inspire you to addiction..
All clubs such as Mandarin, Zair, F1, Dinos( right across Dnipro on Kreschatik) , Joss, etc can drive you crazy with the hot girls of the 18-22 year range.
Moreover, they don't necessarily expect you to pay in large sums or to pay at all.??..
Gia is the cheapest alternative compared to quality for the shy, lazy or inconfident guys and you can find the contact no via the website.
It's also quite possible to make prearrangement via email, but the charge shouldn't exceed 70-80 bucks for 2hrs.
Besides most girls are hot and open to BBBBBBJJTCTC and Greek.
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I want to correct one thing I saw in the forum regarding Americans receiving 5 year multi-entry business visas. I'm American and I did ask for, and receive, a 5 year ME visa as a tourist. I considered checking "business" on the application but figured it would only lead to more Qs from cold 'n clammy immigration folks. So at least in one case this is possible.
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As per the suggestions on the board, i have been in email conversation with Alonya from www.alserent.kiev.ua appartments.
I do not have a USA passort and will require a invitation from Alonya for the stay.
I have in all of 5 nights in ukraine ( Dec 28 - Jan 2) and i do not want to spend all of them in kiev. Alonya can send me a letter only if i stay at his apartments in kiev for 4 days.
Help me out with other suggestions.
How can I get an invitation for 6 day / 5 night stay in Ukraine but not limited to stay in one particular city.
Help appreciated.
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If you are from Europa or USA, you could get a private visa and you don't need an invitation.
If you are from another nationality, you need an invitation or a tourist voucher.
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Especially if you're about to visit Ukraine for the first time, I'd advise you to get a business visa ( can be even for 15 days for instance ) to avoid long awaiting or unnecessary conversations at the passport and customs check points.
Except for a few countries closely interrelated with Ukraine, everyone needs a sort of invitation for a touristic visa.
However, unlike Belarus, Moldova or Russia, you're not obliged to register if you're staying in an apartment, just like I've never done in my so many visits.
Moreover, you're completely free to travel within the country to any location as you like.
As far as I'm concerned, Ukraine is the most comfortable country in CIS in terms of receiving both touristic and business visas and in terms of travelling around without any distress or hassles.
As a cheaper and more comfortable alternative to arranging apartments and much more, I'd advise you to contact agencies like gia.com.ua which would gladly serve you for visas, apartments guides ( of course I'm talking about one of their hot girls acting as a guide, interpreter and more day and night).
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Vegamars, that website looks very interesting for a first-timer. Have you dealt with them? Are the pix of the girls accurate? Are there similar all-inclusive agencies? THX!
gia.com.ua
Our girls are:
TONIA,POLINA,ALLA,ZHENJA,SONIA,YANA,NASTIA,LARISA,MILA,KARINA,VLADISLAVA,RITA,DIANA,KSYUSHA,DASHA:
1 hour- 70 $
2 hours- 100 $
3 hours- 130 $
4 hours- 160 $
10 hours- 200 $
24 hours- 350 $
48 hours and more- discount!!!
* Oral without condom (TONIA,POLINA,ALLA,ZHENJA,SONIA,YANA,LARISA,RITA,DIANA,MILA,KSYUSHA)
* Anal +20 $ (TONIA,POLINA,YANA,RITA,DASHA,LARISA)
* Lesbi + 20 $(TONIA,POLINA,ALLA,ZHENJA,YANA,NASTIA,LARISA,KARINA,RITA,VLADISLAVA,DIANA,MILA,KSYUSHA)
* An apartment for meeting 20$ - 30$
* 1 $USD = 5,50 UAH
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I've tried the agency in the past, but not the particular girls of now, as they're changing all the time.
I can guarantee you that the girls are even better than they look in the pictures and their behaviour is decent all the time.
You could also go for uaescort.com for independent girls who are more open to bargaining compared to the agencies.
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Here are the rules for visas, freshly copied from the Ukrainian Embassy web-site.
INVITATIONS
For Business Visa (Single/Double entry)
Nationals of the EU countries, Canada, Japan, Slovak Republic, Swiss Confederation, Republic of Turkey and the United States of America who apply for business, private, scientific, sport and cultural visas do not require a letter of invitation from Ukraine.
Nationals of all other countries require invitation to travel to Ukraine. Each application should be accompanied by a letter of invitation from the relevant Ukrainian company or organization (a faxed copy may be accepted). The invitation should state full name of the applicant and the purpose of journey.
In respect of companies which have already opened their representative office or have established joint ventures in Ukraine, visas may be issued on the basis of the letter, issued by such a company. The letter should state the nature and purpose of business conducted in Ukraine, contain the details of the Ukrainian business partner involved, quote the number of the registration certificate issued by the relevant Ukrainian authorities.
For Business Visa (Multiple Entry)
Nationals of the EU countries, Canada, Japan, Slovak Republic, Swiss Confederation, Republic of Turkey and the United States of America who apply for business, private, scientific, sport and cultural visas do not require a letter of invitation from Ukraine.
Nationals of all other countries require invitation to travel to Ukraine. It is obligatory to present a detailed letter of invitation from Ukraine together with a detailed letter from the applicant's employer. Both letters should state the nature and purpose of business conducted in Ukraine and explain the necessity of issuing a multiple entry visa. Copy of a registration certificate of a company or representative office in Ukraine should be enclosed. Visa may be valid for up to one year.
Technical assistance applications should be accompanied by a letter from the Ministry of Economy, which is responsible for registration of all technical assistance projects.
For Private Visa (Single/Double/Multiple Entry)
Nationals of the EU countries, Canada, Japan, Slovak Republic, Swiss Confederation, Republic of Turkey and the United States of America who apply for business, private, scientific, sport and cultural visas do not require a letter of invitation from Ukraine.
Nationals of all other countries require invitation to travel to Ukraine. Each application should be accompanied by a letter of invitation issued by the Passport and Immigration Department of a local Police Station in Ukraine (a faxed copy may be accepted).
For Tourist Visa (Single/Double Entry)
Nationals of the EU countries, Canada, Japan, Swiss Confederation and United States of America who apply for the tourist visa can present a round trip ticket by any Ukrainian airline company as a confirmation of the tourist purpose of their visit to Ukraine.
Each application should be accompanied by a hotel booking confirmation (tourist voucher) received from a hotel in Ukraine. It should include the full name of a person and the period for which booking has been made (a fax copy may be accepted).
You could find a hotel in Ukraine and make a booking in some of them through "All Ukrainian Hotels" or "All-Hotels" informational websites.
For Permanent Residence (Single Entry)
Each application should be accompanied by original Permission for Permanent Residence in Ukraine, issued by a local governmental executive body.
For Employment Visa (Single Entry)
Each application should be accompanied by the Work Permit, issued by the Ministry of Employment of Ukraine.
For Student Visa (Single Entry)
Each application should be accompanied by the original of letter of invitation from the University/College or by a letter from the Ministry of Education of Ukraine.
For Representative of Religious Mission Visa (Single/Double/Multiple Entry)
Each application should be accompanied by a letter of invitation from a Ukrainian religious organization which is accepted by the State Department of Ukraine for Religion Matters.
For Humanitarian Aid Visa (Single/Double/Multiple Entry)
Each application should be accompanied by a letter of invitation from the organization which is the recipient of the humanitarian aid and a letter of support from the Commission for Delivery and Distribution of Humanitarian Aid which is a special department of the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine (a faxed copy may be accepted).
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Dear Vegamars and Ludovico. Thank you for your inputs.
I liked the apartments offered by gia. I am going to send them an email to send me 6 day letter of invitation. But I will spend some days on the black sea coast also.
From Vegamars earlier posts I get the idea that this letter thing is just a formality from the old soviet days. And that no one cross checks it, once I get the visa.
Please do correct me if I assumed wrong, otherwise thanks for the info. Hopefully I will have some good pictures and stories to share when I come back.
R21
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Came across this girl from uaescorts
http://www.uaescort.com/ads/index.php?ct=kiev&md=details&id=608
She looks lovely with a sweet smile. just my type.
Has anyone been with her?
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Hotels vs apartments?
Will be in Kiev shortly, two days leisure, two days work. I will need a hotel for the work part of the trip.
Any suggestions for a nice, business style hotel where i won't have problems with security?
Should I try this on the weekend, or do an apartment for the firs two days and then a hotel for the rest.
Suggestions?
Thanks much...
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There's only one real 5-star hotel in town, namely Premier Palace and only one real 4-star hotel, Dnipro.
I've always preferred Dnipro when I didn't stay in an apertment and never encountered any problems with the security.
You'll not face such a problem unless you show some sort of hesitation in your actions.
Don't forget to make the reservation by way of business so as to receive a discount and you could also get an extra discount for the weekends.
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Yes and so you should Mr. Rogers, they were quite fkoosna!
I'm afraid the camera doesn't do them true justice,
they really were fresh and tasty.
Well, its my pleasure to bring to you
my new friend Tanya, a nice lady.
Quiet and sweet, but not very excitable.
She expects you to provide her with a modest
gift after she spends some of her time helping
you to relax in her busy hectic city.
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Any reviews of the Premier Palace Hotel? Girl friendly? Bar action?
Also... will I need to book from a service to find some afternoon action on the day I arrive (so no time to get numbers from the disco)?
Thanks much...
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Lot of visa-talk, can't you go there for a holiday? And get a visa to stay there a weekend of a week? Surely tourists don't need 'invitations', or do they?
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I will be in Kyiv for 4 days in about a month, and am seriously considering an apartment. I have been there several times, but I would like something more spacious yet close to the action. Does anyone have suggestions as to apartment services?
Thanks!
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Good clean fun.
Cleanliness is next to yumminess.
I'll have to search tape, but I
believe I'll find a great ass-fuzz
photo of this doll to share with
all you ass-fuzz lovers.
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Tenchi,
To get a visa (tourist) for Ukraine, you need an accommodation voucher. Depending on your nationality you may also need an invitation. E.g. I think it is no longer necessary for Americans to get an invitation for visits up to 6 months( I think!), but for me, as an Australian I still always need an invitation.
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[b]Tenchi[/b],
Some tourists need an invitation, some don't, depending on their citizenship. Just RTFF, this has been debated again at lenght in the past few days.
[b]Kar Star[/b],
I use http://www.uaapartments.com/. Some other ones mentioned in this forum : http://www.bedandbreakfast.kiev.ua/apartments/all_apartments.php, http://www.apartments.kiev.ua/index.htm, http://www.apartments.com.ua/, http://apartments.kievconnections.com/.
Jim
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Visa registration is kinky for many citizenships, but as long as you pay the fee it's not a problem at all.
If you don't wanna interfere with all the hassles, just pay a small commission to an apartment provider, a travel agent or any kind of agency in Ukraine to take care of the details.
You can find hundreds of relevant sides on meta-ukraine.com for comparison of services and fees.
Premier Palace is naturally girl-friendly and has bar action if you're willing to pay 250 per day.
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Mangus You Are THE Man! Where did you find such a delectable dish?
I know it has been mentioned before but how well does one have to know Russian for this type of action?
I only know some very basic phrases and I do mean basic!
Thanks for sharing!
Tatsuo
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GandJim,
I did RTFF but forgot to RTFPost I wrote, I neglected to add that I'm from the UK which has not been discussed specifically. We've been discussing visas generically.
As it is I've found for all fellow kiev-bound mongers from the UK, regarding a tourist visa (£25 dor single entry) we need:
Completed visa application form for each applicant holding a separate passport or being included in the joint passport (application form in PDF format);
Fully valid passport/travel document (C.I.D.) (photocopies are not acceptable);
Two recent passport sized photographs;
Invitation (depending on the purpose of journey to Ukraine the invitation should be obtained);
Two separate postal orders (or company cheques) covering the handling charge and visa fee;
Contact telephone numbers of all applicants (work, home or mobile).
But for a tourist visa as Ludovico stated, for a tourist visa an EU national does not need an invitation. Other visas are different
Taken from:
http://www.ukremb.org.uk/ (Ukraine embassy in the UK)
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Lotus,
No problem bringing girls into Premier Palace Hotel. You have to bring them to reception and sign them in but its no big event. Its a five star hotel, probably the best hotel in the Ukraine and they do not give their customers a hard time. However, no hookers allowed to hang around the bar so you have to bring in or have the concierge arrange for you.
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Hello,
I have been about 8 times in Kiev. I am allways busy during day with work, so I prefer to phone to an agency to have a pleasent evening at appartament.
I have allways used GIA and the service and prices are allways very good (although prices has grown a bit lately).
I have visted uaescorts and kievescorts and sent emails to most girls asking for offers, but no one has answered, Does anybody has experience with these webpages girls? Some of them are stunning (some pics are fake of course).
I would like to find a semipro as stable friend to share nights with go to drink, dinner etc. Any suggestion?
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Sites like uaescort.com and kiev-x.com provide better results with SMS, though e-mailing also works from time to time.
For complete freebies through a completely free site, I'd strongly recommend loveme.ru
In opposition to the net options, the huge selection of clubs and bars is always serving as the better alternative..
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Duke Pro,
Why don't you just try calling the numbers?
About half the numbers will probably go to the same operator, and most of the rest will not speak any English but usually you'll find one eventually which is what you're after. I find this process easier, as you don't wait around waiting for responses to smses or emails etc.
Just a thought.
Anyone in Kiev next week? If you want to meet up, just PM me.
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Loveme.ru and dating sites
Hi Vega,
I assume you are using the Russian language version of the site to score?
A sample search on the English version for ANY girl in Kiev yielded exactly one result...48-year old Vera. Adventurous as I am, I would even consider using her to win the "old bird" contest from the Moscow board with her, but she didn't even post a pic. Now that's scary...
Are you using chat or the normal contact search function?
Or do you have a profile on the site?
Which other sites work well for you? The pan-Slavic sites haven't been yielding much for me, for example [url]www.dating.ru[/url] which I have used many times successfully in Russia also seems to be cluttered with average birds in the Kiev section... some Ukrainian-specific sites out there?
Thanks for your input!
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As I always use the English version of sites, I can easily reach 251 results by choosing the point of acquaintance as all options and the period of publish as any time.
Of course, the options for Russian cities and Moscow are much larger and much more inviting..
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Loveme.ru
You are right... I had the time restricted too much.... I put in last three weeks. And got Vera. I don't suppose you'd recommend her... :)
Thanks for the tip...
Any other sites you recommend, or has this been the one that has served you best?
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Yeah, you're totally right, Vera is the best..
I've had pretty good results with this site, though it's not necessarily so straightforward but definitely quite enjoyable.
Another free site is date.com, but there it's more like a challenge cause you're not allowed to send messages for free and you've gotto be effective enough to receive the initiative letter to get to a point.
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why not diret calls?
Why not diret calls? Easy, I am not in ukraine but in western europe, and I will go kiev in about 10 days, so I was trying to arrange any date for night, that is all.
My experience says that nobody answer emails, dont know why they put them.
I think finally i will end phoning again to GIA,,the service is very good, and I think it will be difficult to find a semipro or pro cheaper for the night.
When I say cheaper,,I mean,, if you pay less you can have the girls more nights.
I know about clubs etc,, but when I am in Kiev I arrive at apartament tyred at 10 or 11, and only want to stay relaxed and in good company, so I have not time for going out looking and wasting time. I did one day, a very nice dinner with a pretty girl,, but finally he left me at apartament kissed me and asked me, will I see you again? My answer was, I dont know, may be, and never phoned her again.
What I would like is to have an stable escort-girlfriend that u can phone when you arrive to apartament to sleep together.
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Ohh, other little thing:
I would like to meet 30 y.o to 40 y.o woman, I dont like young girls with model type bodyes ( well yes I like them but just to watch them and have sex) and most of the girls of agencyes are this kind of pretty girls.
Find a semi pro lady about 35 or 40 is hard
And here most people who post are lucky guys, I am expert in making friends. I have made wonderful friends in Kiev but just friends, dinner nice talk cofee, nice walk but no sex because I am a married man
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waste of time? never!
Going out at night for natural hunting has never been a waste of time in Kiev..
The challenge of joy and adventure is what makes it really indispensable on the long run.
If a girl is not so willing for the first night, then it's up to you to persuade her.
If she objects and no matter how bad you treat her afterwards, most of the time she'll contact you back some time in the future, feeling sorry for not accepting your offer, like having missed a big fortune...
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Apartments...
Can anyone recommend any apartment agencies in Kiev.
I'm planning on spending around 10 days there after the Holidays (US), burr.
I plan on using this trip to hook up with a few internet 'friends'. Also, does anyone know of a very good looking p4p girl I could use as my guide?
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But its totally a different mind set when you are
living there as opposed to being on vacation
and having a very limited number of nights
and hours.
It seems that every dyev wants to hook up at either
17:00 or 19:00, and when you are down to your
last night, and 3 dyevs are all saying they are
coming at 5pm, it takes a special knack
for scheduling to fit them all in.
In fact, the agency's madam did happen to see the
2 dyevs leaving the building entrance that she had
introduced me to the previous night, and I can tell
you, she wasn't very happy about it! Too bad these
flats don't have a back door. And why the heck was
she watching my front door anyway? I guess she got
there early and was waiting for my new acquaintance
to meet her on the street in front of the building. Oh well,
at least she seemed to buy my story that since she
couldn't reach them, then it was ok for me to, and also
that since she is retiring and moving to Germany, then
I'll be on my own from now on anyway. Alas, I ramble on.
Getting back to the point, most of us vacationers rarely
have the luxury to wait for "the long run" for the dyev
to call you back in the future, and thats an even tougher
obstacle to meeting any 2 sackings per day minimum
goal when faced with a 2 or 3 hour courting ritual that
leads to only the hope that its a lock that she'll be naked
in your bed on the second date.
Readers have to recognize first and foremost that for
you very few and extremely fortunate of all posters who
live year round in candyland, its a 200% different
situation with totally different parameters and limitless
boundaries that the rest of us don't have.
Personally, I continue to contend that its nothing less
than disgraceful how you perpetually fail to share
any worthwhile illustrations. Your lack of imagination
and creativity, surrounded by so much inspiration, leaves
us awestruck by your skillful ability to bore us to death.
Jackson, I'm sorry for ranting, but a spade is a spade,
we call 'em as we see 'em.
Who was it, some monger who warned me in a PM
that you're really a dangerous creepy type that he
feared for his life to reveal you, I don't remember.
Well, he never explained why, and you never seem
to take it too seriously, which is good, since this is
all just for fun anyway, but nothing changes around
here much. At least we agree on the magic!
Frustrated with the prospect of 200 days of expensive
MP HJ not so happy endings while you freeze your ass
off, oh, that's right, you'll send reports from sunny
Cyprus. Oh well.
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paying for the pleasure
MM is generally right, and although I don't live in Candyland obviously those who frequent the place often have more time to work the free end of the game. As for posting worthless information and/or stories, that is a question of perspective and what you get out of the forum. Removing that aspect from the WSG forum would leave only agency telephone numbers, the same 10 general questions being answered for the 700th time and the 300th review of River Palace/NF/CF whereever...
That vacationers and occassional travelers wonder what the point of chasing some girl through 2-3 dates only to fuck her once and never see her again is, makes complete sense to me. For them it seems a very time-consuming and ineffective way to get to the point. They will miss some of the more entertaining and beautiful aspects of Slavic women, that is for sure, but they are guaranteed to blow their wad on schedule.
Obviously however, it is the multiple aspects of dyev pursuit that make Russia and Ukraine so wonderful and superior to most other destinations which aren't so multi-faceted.
There are posters and lurkers out there who go to Russia or Ukraine once or twice a year and want pro and travel information. Chasing non-pro dyevs seems a waste of time and effort to most of them, barring the few that prefer a mix.
There are posters and lurkers who are in these countries quite often and want to know where and how to meet non-pro girls. Not only would it be a crime not to take advantage of what's available for "free" (relatively speaking), it would be entirely too expensive to pay for it 5 days a week for several weeks a year. Beyond that, being in the position to win women over and not doing it, instead electing to always pay is downright depressing in my opinion.
And there are posters and lurkers who have never been to either country and want to know what to expect and what their options are.
Based on that, I feel that providing any info related to getting laid, whether you pay for it or not, is relevant and appropriate.
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excess of imagination
I don't ever remember having said that I live in Kiev all the time.
In fact, it's always more advantageous to observe a place as a foreigner from outside as opposed to getting accostomed to it in an ordinary way.
Let's just suppose my imagination is so creative that I make it up all the time..
Anyway I'll go on sharing the stories with myself.....
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> the same 10 general questions being answered for the 700th time
What about using some of the new thread creation stuff and creating an FAQ section which contained fairly static info on visas, apartments, restaurants, language, agencies, clubs and the rest of it? I think that these questions have appeared often enough that it's worthwhile.
BTW, anybody been around for the new year in Kiev? I've done on in Piter in Russia and had a knob-enhanced hoot + was wondering about any useful experiences that anybody had to share about Kiev around the end of december/start of january.
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A side note
As a side note, how far is Kiev from that nuclear reactor mishap in Chernobyl? Kiev was not affected? Back to mongering, is the Ukraine more like the Czech Republic (part of the European Union) or more like Moldova or is it just its own flavor? Enlighten and Discuss.
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Chernobyl is pretty close to Kiev like about 100km and the real effects of the nuclear reactor accident are still not known exactly, as the outcomes and records have been hidden by the Soviet Union government, as it happens in many countries.
Moreover, that incident is just one that has come to the surface and there have been some others as well that couldn't have been disclosed up to today.
Kiev doesn't resemble any other city and has its own style of flavour with the endless opportunities of nightlife and mongering, but it's very difficult to describe in a few words or sentences..
You'll get acquainted with this idea or notion immediately after having visited Kiev for the first time...
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Kiev flavour
Kiev specially the center is a very european City, with a special flavour that makes it be one of the most lovely cityes i have ever visited. For me Kreschatik and Independence square is one of the most beautiful streets in the world Kiev sorroundings are much more soviet style, big ugly buildings typycal soviet urbanism. But Kiev is over all a very alive city. I was there firt time in 2001, and in 3 years I have visited it about ten times, each one you see changes everywhere, more shops, more modern cars. In my first trips was full of old Ladas and staying close to roads and showing your hand any car stopped to make independent taxi services at low cost, now it is almost the same but you need to wait much more and each day you see less old ladas.
About Chernobil, although the radiation level of Kiev is under danger levels, it is much higher than in other european towns. When the weather is hot without air movement I use to feel problems in my throat and also feel sleepy and everybody tell me is cause of radiation, not dangerous but much higher level to the ones we are used to live with in western europe.
People have been allways nice with me everywhere in Kiev, but ADVICE for tourists, if you watch money in the floor NEVER take it, and if a guy takes it in front of you and offers you halkf of the money, smile to him and tell him NO, or you will be in serious troubles. Three times someone tryed to do this with me
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Chernobyl and Kyiv
Dog:
Kyiv was fortunate that the wind was blowing in the right direction for Ukraine at the time of the meltdown. That was bad news for Belarus.
Officially you're told not to touch the water in the Dnipr river as it comes from up-land (Chernobyl way), and put the swimming trunks away!! Belarus don't produce nearly as much veg now as it used to!!
I agree with Vegamars that Kyiv is like no other city. It is more (and they'll hate me saying this) Moscow than Prague, and certainly not Moldovan, but simply unlike any other city. Try, enjoy, smile!
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Winter weather in Kiev
After many FKK trips to Germany, I am poised to move up to Kiev. The only time I am able to go, though, is the first week in December. What can I expect for weather, and what sort of clothing should I wear to be comfortable and fit in? I was thinking of getting a long wool coat to wear over dark business casual clothing. I'm trying to look nice and above average, without standing out as a tourist, org. crime, etc.
Thanks for any suggestions.
'Stang
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Yes, you have to be very very careful with the 'money on the ground trick'. They will want to shake your hand and share it with you. Sure, you can shake hands, but don't touch the money. Often another man will come from across the street and ask for your help. KEEP WALKING. Then they will suggest you go to the policeman. Go another direction. This has happened to me many times in Kiev already, as I am clearly a tourist. It is very very common near O'Brien's Irish Pub.
I am in Kiev now, until Monday if anyone wants to meet up. I had yet another disappointing night in River Palace two nights back. I'll save you all the story, its not worth hearing again - but if you see a girl there called Irina with slightly reddish brown hair, has a kid...avoid her
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Well I have been reading this board for a few years now. Been going to Kiev for about 4 years I think. I do not post that much. I know some but after seeing the changes over the short time I have been goin. I guess things change weather you let the secret out or not.
I can remember my first trip there. I had done some research on brama and found an appartment,guide and had it all worked out or so I thought. I am just a poor good ole boy from the hills of West Virginia. So I was goin tohave a nice time and explore. So yeah some of my dress Said AMERICAN here. I went in February. Was cold but still had fun. Did not find this board till I got back from the first trip. Some of my cloths were yes you might think I'm nuts but Flanel/plad. Go ahead laugh. Still I found this off the wall bar Cowboy club and had a nice time met a few ladies in there and explored the city and them. Thus began my facination with the Country. So here it is 4 years later and I try to make atleast on 10 day trip if not more a year. I have done the pro sceene and free scene. Depends on my mood at the time or how hot she is. I mean come on guys if she is in your sights does it really matter if she is pro or not. Although I can say this, I find it so much easier to approach the women and easy to get freebies there then in US. Some may be looking for the green card but who cares. They are hot and IF the good lord willin goin back to my flat with me.
I have visited many clubs there. Still its much fun to just pick a direction andgo with it. Guess I just have a sence of adventure or plain reckless. Still I am a fairly big boy 6'4 and stocky and can handle myself if I have to. So I just watch for trouble and avoid places that seem like trouble. Have not really had any trouble to speak of other then routine hassels from customs or maybe from a patroling police nothing a dollar or 3 didn't cure. All in all I love Ukraine and find it hard to move on from there. I mean the women are so nice and beautiful. Well I hope my rabbleing is not to much for ya'll to take. Just figured I would let you know if you see what looks like a hill billy walkin the streets of Kiev It is prolly me.
Happy hunting guys.
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Kiev - Moscow - Prague
Kiev is nothing like Prague ... Prague is very European and is filled with hordes or tourist year round. Kiev is very soviet and quite russian (its the mother city for the Eastern Slavs). It reminds me in personality to Moscow 7 or 8 years ago.
Mustang: in my experience the women go for guys who look like wealthy foreign businessmen. I always tend to do Moscow and Kiev fairly formally. A suit less the tie works well - as does a nice watch nice shoes etc.. A overcoat in December is a must. Other guys do well dressed less formally, but I guess it comes down to (a) what kind of audience are you hoping to get and (b) how well you fit the image of your clothes.
One piece of advice I got years ago which still seems to hold true, is to show all the girls in a bar you are a foreigner, you drink Corona, from the bottle. No local guys ever do that. Then see which girls have noted that and move in on them.
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Kiev-Budapest-Paris-Minsk
Actually most parts of Kiev don't look like Russian and that's what makes it so special and different.
The city looks like Budapest as a whole and especially the center resembles Paris.
I think it's the most beautiful city in Europe together with Minsk and Budapest.
However, the endless opportunities of nightlife and beauties by far outscore the so-called-similar-mentioned locations....
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Thanks for the replies.
I'm a young engineer in western Virginia (sorry Arm.) and I can look the part of western professional. My budget doesn't exactly cover Italian suits, though. I've had my share of FKK girls, so I'm sort of after the local girls for a change. I've read the past years' posts, so I've go a good idea what to expect.
Another question: Apartments. THere have been some favorable posts about uaapartments.com. But they seem to have an average selection of apartments. One other, apartments.com.ua, had much better selection but wanted deposit by western union, and I'm not comfortable with that. Does anyone have another favorite agency, and are there any to stay away from?
TIA
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Kiev Report
Well, I just got back from my second trip to Kiev. Some brief comments follow, hopefully some of which may be slightly useful.
I arrived after flying AeroSvit from Budapest to Kiev. This airline is very good value. Reliable planes and good prices from many European destinations. Have no fears flying with these guys.
I took an apartment with [url]www.uaapartments.com[/url] having read many glowing reviews from people. I would definitely NOT recommend them after my experience, but I will just provide the facts of my experience and let you decide for yourself. I took an apartment which they recommended more than once to me. It had big, but had old furniture and facilities, an ancient washing machine, cable Tv which did not work (which they refused to help me with). Disgracefully, less than 50% of the lights in the apartment worked, to the extent that there were no functioning lights in the bedroom. The website promises a lot but they deliver little. E.g. Promised maid service after 3 days - this was not delivered. Their service is great prior to arrival but once they get your money, forget about it. And to wrap it up, I left my phone in the apartment and they refuse to search for it and give it back to me. I'm sure its been sold, or reused in the company (look for a snazzy Samsung E700 if you hire a phone from them- its mine!) I know many people have had good experiences with them, but this was my experience and I would not go with them again. I met a lovely girl in Kiev who does her own apartment rentals and I will go with her in future. If anyone is interested I can provide contact details. I can vouch for her honesty, but not for her apartments, yet.
Anyway, I'm pissed off, so sorry about that rambling. Onto the good stuff - upon arrival I felt like some pre-dinner fun, so I called GIA Agency and asked for my 'usual', a lovely girl called Larissa. $70 for an hour, including bbbj cim twice, and anal included too. I think she charges more for anal normally, but I am a 'regular' apparently. Highly recommended.
I had two experience in my trip at River Palace. One terrible one from a single mum called Irina, reddish brown hair, thin, pale, hangs around with a dark haired friend. I also had a great experience on 'ladies night' - Tuesday night where ladies get in free. Problem is that there are HEAPS of men too, so you have to be decisive in getting your girl. I snapped up 18 year old amateur Diana, dresseed in jeans and long sleeve shirt, very conservatively.She was a short petite brunette who was there for her first time with friends. I didnt believe her, but $100 dollars later, I had the best GFE I've had at River Palace. Look out for her.
I managed to pick up a gorgeous young girl at Mandarin shopping centre, near Bessarabskya Pl. But it was costly. I saw her buying some cosmetics, or looking at some anyway. She was gorgeous and I just couldnt resist going to talk to her. She told me in perfect English she couldnt afford to buy it. $200 dollars later, after buying her gifts and taking her to Il Patio nearby for dinner, she's back in my shoddy apartment in my lightless bedroom giving me that 19 year old body. The surprise was she told me I didnt need to use a condom if I didnt want to "because that is what her other Western boyfriends want". Well, that gave me better incentive to wear protection, and turns out she has 2 American boyfriends out there who visit and pay her sponsorship money. Seems like a very common thing to me in this country. It seems to be a country getting richer and richer, and there are some very wealthy beautiful women that just don't give a crap about us foreigners, as their ukrainian (possibly mafia) boyfriends could probably buy far more than most of us can.
Anyway, so that was Kiev for me. Great nightclubs as per usual, great girls....and I wish I knew Russian. Oh, and Halloween is an awesome time to be there. They take it as a huge party. Opium club had a huge party - so many hotties! HAVE FUN!
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you are kidding me right?
Budapest Paris and Minsk? I want to know what pills youre taking.
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Hey man,
I just wanted to reply back to you in regards to the "money on the floor" issue. The same thing happened to me the first time I went to Moscow about a year ago. Near the Kremlin, one dude walked passed me under one of the tunnels and dropped a bag with dollars in it (it seemed). I just kept walking but suddenly another guy appeared out of nowhere and grabbed the bag and acted like he was happy about finding it. I knew that it was some kind of set up so I kept walking. However, that one guy would not leave me alone so I came up near a very busy street and mentioned "Militza" and he and his friend left. Nevertheless, I freaked out and headed back to my hotel. This is probably the only sour experience I had in Moscow and don't want to run into it again. I am taking a break from Russia for now.
[QUOTE=Duke Pro Sex]Kiev specially the center is a very european City, with a special flavour that makes it be one of the most lovely cityes i have ever visited. For me Kreschatik and Independence square is one of the most beautiful streets in the world Kiev sorroundings are much more soviet style, big ugly buildings typycal soviet urbanism. But Kiev is over all a very alive city. I was there firt time in 2001, and in 3 years I have visited it about ten times, each one you see changes everywhere, more shops, more modern cars. In my first trips was full of old Ladas and staying close to roads and showing your hand any car stopped to make independent taxi services at low cost, now it is almost the same but you need to wait much more and each day you see less old ladas.
About Chernobil, although the radiation level of Kiev is under danger levels, it is much higher than in other european towns. When the weather is hot without air movement I use to feel problems in my throat and also feel sleepy and everybody tell me is cause of radiation, not dangerous but much higher level to the ones we are used to live with in western europe.
People have been allways nice with me everywhere in Kiev, but ADVICE for tourists, if you watch money in the floor NEVER take it, and if a guy takes it in front of you and offers you halkf of the money, smile to him and tell him NO, or you will be in serious troubles. Three times someone tryed to do this with me[/QUOTE]
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A Quick Visit for the Mouse
Gentlemen:
I will be making a brief visit to Kiev next week for a few days and have an appartment on Volodymyrska near XXI vek Casino and John Bull Pub. I would Greatly appreciate any suggestions you may have concerning local Pubs/Bars/Restaurants where I may find a fellow monger or some local talent.
Thanx in advance and please feel free to PM,
MM
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To MM
MM,
I was just living around the corner on Saksahanskoho. There are so many restaurants on that street you will have plenty of choices. And Opium night club is nice and close, at the end of the street near the Palace of Sports. Cocktail Bar 111 is also close, towards the other end of Saksahanskoho. John Bull is nice and close, but for that type of pub, I prefer going to Mikhailovskaya where you will find O'Brien's. Plenty of English speakers there. I found in Kiev you could find friendly locals to talk to pretty much everywhere. Its just a matter of going to talk to them and seeing if they spoke English. Some nice but pricey cafes in the Maidan underground shopping centre region. Anyway, more on restaurants can be found at [url]www.chicken.kiev.ua/eng/[/url]
Oh, and literally in the last 3 weeks I was in Budapest - Kiev - Minsk, in that order. They are all unique in their own right. My view: Budapest is the most tourist attractive, Kiev is the most fun, Minsk is not for the first-time traveller; but man, is it cheap!
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Kiev
Arrived Borispol October 13 , cleared costumes with no problem taxi was waiting form me took me to my apartment that I rented from uuapartments dimitri was waiting for me he took the money and left.
I only had two free days to monger until my date arrived from Russia, my apartment was small but at a great location on Horodetskoho Street, Kreschatyk and the Maidan.
For those who want to call back home get the Extreme telephone card it works great costs approximately 0.37 cents per minute to call USA.
First night took a taxi to the Queen bee strip club and sauna , its a 20 minutes ride from the maidan and costed me 20 Grivna, its a two storry building very clean in and out looks as good as our clubs in Los Angeles :)
I had lots of lap dances for 10 Grivna, the girls dancing are 7 in my book, i asked the girl about the extras she said the Sauna is 150 Grivna and $50 US for the girl, i chose a blond blue eyed girl that was great performer i got the best sex from her while doing her she screamed in Russian boyaje means GOD, while doing her she said DAVAY DAVAY don't Stop while laying on her back she had multiple orgasm and she kept raising her head up high, will report about my second day in River Palace and the Caribbean.
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MM,
So the Mouse will be scampering through Kiev! That's a long way from BA. Sorry I can't help you with info, since I've never been there. If there are chicas to be had, I'm sure you will sniff them out. Looking forward to your posts.
Stravinsky
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anouncements
My advice is dont phone to english magazines anouncements in Kiev.
I have done it 3 times, all of them bad, they promiss to send you a girl acording with your description and they send you what they want.
In my last trip, first night they sent me a very thin girl, not very clean (she told m she was dancing at a disco), price was 50 one hour, oral with rubber, and 100 two hours, I told them 100 dollars 2 hours and oral without and they acepted. The girl was mistaken with the adress and it took more than 2 hours to arrive.
Three days after it I phoned the same telephone, I asked for a 30ish girl, and oral without, they told me 120 dollars, and promissed me the girl will come in 30 mins. She arrived in a bit more than one hour and, was the same thing girl that 3 days ago was 25. I told her that that was not what we talked by phone and offered her 50 hrivnas for taxi, she insisted in stay, and I told her that ok but just 100 dollars like 3 days ago, finally she acepted. I payed her 120 and I told her: take 120 I can be good but I am not idiot
The other experience I had some months ago with what's on and Kiev post anouncement was also really bad bad bad.
Now you can ask, why if you talk well about GIA you didint phone them?
I phoned GIA the second night, they asked me what girl I want, I told her, and when I told her my apartament adress the girl answered me that it is impossible to send a girl cause the center is full of police and the girl can have problems and me too with them. I insisted but no way.
Has anybody had experience with the girls of uaescort? some of them look really incredible pretty. I tryed also to phone to one of them (I know it was an agency) but there was no answer. Dont they work after 11 pm? I am never free at my apartament before this time.
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trip to kiev
Hello,
After a trip to Moscow and St Petersburg last year I am now heading for Kiev in the spring of next year. Was looking for the VIP gateway agency described here in this forum for local services which includes finding girls and women. They seem to have stopped. Anybody have any suggestions for a similar agency that can help me not only with apartment and car but also with finding the right girls and translating? Any suggestions much appreciated.
PP2
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attitude is very important
It's never a good idea to order a girl without having seen at least the pictures and attributes on internet..
I'm sure gia din't want to send the girl cause they didn't feel confident about talking on the phone.. and the rest was just a story..
I've never had any problems with them and they were always ready to send any girl in just half an hour.
However, the first time you talk on the phone is quite important in the way you approach. Maybe it's just better to contact via mail beforehand..
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there is another way
You just call the right number and talk decently..that's all...
There's also the free way for the regular babes like loveme.ru or simply the messenger, which have been tested so many times in a direct way with ease by smart mongerers..
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Another scam
Browsing through the net seeking e-contacts to non-pros to prepare for an upcoming trip to Candyland (thanks MM for this metaphor, it has stuck) I stumbled across Katerina, who sent me this:
"Я очень сексуальная девушка и апетитная
знаю, что многих я заинтересую, но часто мне пишут чуть ли не бродяги.
Паймите - я ж не сплю с всема подряд, а только з богатими и обраними мужикамы.
потому, если ви хочете со мной что то еметь. пришлите мне 14 значный код карточки ДЖИНС и свой номер телефону и я вам передзвоню.
Мне нужна реальная встреча. а не теревени в нети.
И дело не в карточке, просто так я определяю ваше фынансовое состояние. А номинал карточки говорит про ваше фынансовоэ положениэ. Я ище раз повторяю я не для всех встречних. а толька для обраних.
Все письма з инными условиямы буду игнорирувать "
Which translates roughly as this (excuse my errors fluent Russian speakers):
"I very sexual and appetizing girl and know that many guys are interested in me and many will write to me, but they are mostly jerks.
I do not sleep with everybody, just with classy guys.
Therefore if you want to meet me, please send me the 14 digit code of your Jeans (telephone) card and I will contact you. A real meeting is necessary for me, as oppposd to an encounter in the net.
There is no "business" in knowing the card number, it is simply to define a financial condition... and the face value of the card tells of your financial status. I repeat that I don't have time to meet everybody, only for classy guys. "
Well obviously there is something not very kosher about it, but I am curious if anybody out there has ever contacted a girl through such a method. Is it merely some telephone scam, or actually a front to meet pros? Did you wake up the next morning missing a kidney and having one of your eyes replaced by a glass marble?
The girl had a sexy picture, but it has since been removed from the net by the web moderator.
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She only wants me for my telephone...
MM:
"Does she mean that a 250 or 500 hrivna telephone card
will distinguish that she'll fuck a guy for $50 or $100, but
if a local Ukrainian monger only has a $10 or $25 phone
card, then she wont fuck him?"
That's what I want to know! If so, I'll start hanging that 500 hrivna Dzhins card around my fu%&ing neck!
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she only wants to use your phone card..
I can tell you for sure that she'll not meet anyone and just take advantage of the free phone card....
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Ukrainian Presidential Election
I've just been thinking about which candidate would be better for the foreign monger interested in the Ukraine. Will it be the liberal pro European or the old guard with an eye on the Kremlin. Personally, I think they should stay with the old guard (selfish I know), but it will keep all those want to be mongers away who can't get visa's and leave the cream of the crop for the more advanced players.
I don't think, however, that the Ukrainian people will see it this way and will probably vote for the pro EU, WTO and NATO minded candidate. For a country that is growing at 9% gdp a year, all those people living in poverty probably want a slice of the pie for themselves.
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Politics!
Ludovico
Interesting question - always good to think about current affairs from a mongering perspective! From my view, the elections show that whilst Ukraine has come a long way in a reasonably short space of time, it is still in many ways an old style soviet country and still has a suprisingly strong connection with Russia - the media coverage and support for the one candidate and Putin's open support just didn't sit particularly well.
I think it is easy to think of Ukraine and think of Kiev being typical of the country, but Kiev is like the "show house" and isn't really representative of the rest of the country at all. The economic growth hasn't obviously filtered all the way through Ukraine, and a trip to Kiev vs a trip elsewhere in Ukraine can be like going to a different universe.
Also remember who the people vote for and who gets elected are not always the same! From what I hear and read, the election was quite fair by Ukraine standards, but still had a lot of dubious stuff going on. From a selfish business perspective, I hope Yushchenko wins, but I'd be surprised if Yanukovych didn't find some way to cling to power. If he does, Kiev may not be the best place to be next week.
I'm sure in time that Ukraine will not require a visa, but I think they are still some years away from being anywhere near joining the EU and dropping the visa requirement (too many people making money off it!).
In summary - whoever gets in, there should be a few more years of fun to be had before hordes of stag weekends start coming over on cheap flights!
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Telephone card scam
[QUOTE=King Monger]I saw a potentially decent place nearby in Lake Forest called Star Accupressure in the city of Lake Forest. Its in the same area as Captain Kreams and next to a pleasure zone lingerie type of store. Has anyone checked this place out before I take one for the team? I remember reading before I moved to this area that Lake Forest MPs are lucky if you even get a HJ from anyone.
I get the feeling it legit only but dont know for sure.
Thanks,
King[/QUOTE]Been there, done that. I went 5 months ago and got a younger girl. Lots of walking on my back and oil. I did get HJ only cause my badge wasnt pinned to my crotch. Dont think its easy to get much there.
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reality
Although Kiev has been the real actual capital of most events underlying the history of the ex-Soviet Union, it is the only independent country that would never come to terms with Russia ever again, mainly because of the special long-lasting reasons of the majority of the population that's rather difficult to understand from the western point of view..
Moreover, it's not quite true that the difference between Kiev and all other parts of Ukraine is so huge as if going to another part of the universe!!
It's not so easy to find places like Lvov, Dniepropetrovsk, Odessa, Harkov, Lugansk, Sevastapol, Yalta, Donetsk and Zaporozhe in other parts of the world...
The long-time-evolving policy change and the increase of the flow of mongers have already taken place in the last couple of years, as depicted by the drastic increase of visitors and the uprise of mongering charges, though the inflation rate is as low as 2-3% in general.
The visa policy has turned out to be the mildest among all the ex-Soviet states including the Baltic ones Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia.
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Visas and stuff
Vegamars
I'm not knocking other Ukrainian cities (although I'll take some convincing that Dniepro and Zaporozhe are anything special!); I've been to most of the places you mentioned for brief stays and enjoyed my time. I'm just saying that the economic advancements that are all over Kiev are not obviously to be seen throughout the rest of Ukraine.
I have to disagree about the visa policy. Ukraine has done little to make it particularly easy to get a visa - no-one gets turned down, but it is still more expensive and labourious than it could be. When they did allow people to buy a visa at a couple of airports, like Odessa, the policy was hardly publicised and whether you would be allowed to do it once you got there was based entirely on the individual officer - did they feel like it and had they actually been told of this policy.
Tourism in Ukraine has gone up despite the government's policy towards tourism not due to any active effort to encourage it and whilst it has gone up, the current levels (from what I recall) are only around 50% of what was achieved in the first couple of years after independence. I don't see any of this changing in a particular hurry, although I would love to be proved wrong.
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Hey.
I have used GIA services many times (well, let me count, just 4 times) allways was very good without any problem and with a nice girl, So I dont understand what happened, all was ok until I gave my adress, it is posible that as was one day after first ballot of presidential elections they were afraid And I am allways friendly and very polite, I even offered them to go maidan and wait for the girl in Letoile cafe to avoid problems with police.
and for the Good of our dear Ukraine, hope that Yushenko will win instead of bandit Yanukovitch. Ukraine is a great country and they deserve freedom, democracy, and prosperity
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Visa's
MM,
here are the rules as they stand at the moment.
For Tourist Visa (Single/Double Entry)
Nationals of the EU countries, Canada, Japan, Swiss Confederation and United States of America who apply for the tourist visa can present a round trip ticket by any Ukrainian airline company as a confirmation of the tourist purpose of their visit to Ukraine.
For Private Visa (Single/Double/Multiple Entry)
Nationals of the EU countries, Canada, Japan, Slovak Republic, Swiss Confederation, Republic of Turkey and the United States of America who apply for business, private, scientific, sport and cultural visas do not require a letter of invitation from Ukraine.
For Business Visa (Multiple Entry)
Nationals of the EU countries, Canada, Japan, Slovak Republic, Swiss Confederation, Republic of Turkey and the United States of America who apply for business, private, scientific, sport and cultural visas do not require a letter of invitation from Ukraine.
For Business Visa (Single/Double entry)
Nationals of the EU countries, Canada, Japan, Slovak Republic, Swiss Confederation, Republic of Turkey and the United States of America who apply for business, private, scientific, sport and cultural visas do not require a letter of invitation from Ukraine.
I copied these rules from the embassy of Ukraine London website. All the up to date info on visa's is there as well as the application forms.
Happy hunting
Ludovico
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Invites
Ludovico's answer shows my problem with visas.
For a tourist visa you "can present a round trip ticket by any Ukrainian airline company as a confirmation of the tourist purpose of their visit to Ukraine." Great. What if you aren't using a Ukrainian airline company? I think you are still suppossed to get an invite letter in these cases. I'd also bet that the Ukrainian ticket thing depends on the individual customs person.
The people who sort out my visa when I go on holiday or don't want to declare business as my reason for a visit take care of all this (and are the reason I happily pay more for it). Don't ask what they do, don't care - it gets me in without problems and without the hassle.
For any business visa I always make sure I get the business invite stuff, although I'm not sure I've been asked to show it the last couple of times.
I still think for most tourist visas you need the invite.
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Visa's
I'm in the process of trying to get a tourist visa at the moment. They also state on the website that you shouldn't purchase airline tickets until your visa has been confirmed. I'll let you all know what happens.
Also, to change the subject, how about posting some info about all the clubs in Kiev (like Doc Skank has in the Moscow section). i.e, what are the best options and what are the best nights. For example, I've heard that Coctail 111 is a good option for tuesdays.
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Visas
For what its worth:
I'm a U.S. citizen about to go to Kiev for the first time in early Dec. ( If anyone wants to meet up just let me know).
I recieved my visa from Washington consular office after 2 weeks. I had followed tips from Brama Ukraine travel forum, and I had tried to apply for private single entry visa since I had no letter of invitation. However, I was issued a tourist visa, single entry. I was a bit concerned that I would need LOI to show on entry to Ukraine, but I have since been informed that no one will care that I do not have it. They want to see passport & visa.
My feeling is that the U.S. consular office pretty much does as it pleases-- takes money, gives visas.
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Vsisiting Kiev
Good evening Gentlemen.
No problem for my visas.
I have access to two escort agencies in Kiev.
Star from Heaven and Gia.
I saw very nice review about Gia's girls and pretty nothing on Star from Heaven.
May be you could help me for my choice on these two agencies full of girls.
If you have pictures of some beauties with phone number or e-mail they are welcome.
I am going alone and for short term and I am not sure to have free time to go to the Boat. Is it like the Night Flight in Moscow ? I know this club and this is easy and nice.
All your advice are welcome, if you know some agencies tell me.
Thank you.
PS: this is my first trip in Kiev.
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1 photos
This is Vika. I actually turned down her offer the
first night we met. A couple days later, I came to
my senses, and she showed me the error of my ways.
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there's always a backdoor!
There's a solution to everything in Ukraine through the backdoor, provided that you're ready to pay the right amount..
Every little detail in Ukraine leads to a new opportunity of income and western(!!) embassies are also part of the game..
Club111 is one of those elite places that you might have a diffucult time to get in if you're alone, so it's a good idea to pop in with a local girl who has a card for that particular place out of her collection..
I can hear some of you objecting that you've had no difficulty at all for entrance!! That's also quite possible depending on your look and manners and of course don't forget about the back entrance...
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Cocktail 111
I haven't been to 111 for a couple of months, but there is no way it was a truly elite club last time I went. I've been on my own (and my dress style could never be described as smart, more trendy hobo), with a group of guys and with dates and never had any problems getting in or ever had any request for a card.
111 is probably my favourite club in Kiev. Thurs-Saturday are excellent - really busy, really mixed crowd of locals (and yes, there are some of the elitny types but not many), out-of-towners, a few pros and a lot of girls just out for a laugh. The music is pretty standard Kiev fair. It's an excellent club to take a date, as the girls really seem to like it (Opium's good too).
Most girls there are approachable - some definitely on the pro side of semi-pro, some who'd be horrified about money being mentioned and, as always in Kiev, a whole load somewhere in the middle. It is definitely not just a monger place like RP.
It's a smallish club, with a big circular rotating bar in the middle. When it gets going, there's dancing everywhere. It tends to get busy around 10.30ish and stays packed until 2.30-3am or so on the weekends, although it's open until much later.
Tuesday is the busiest night of the mid-week (they used to do popcorn throwing parties or something like that), although it still has enough people in on other nights to make it worth a visit on Sunday, Monday and Tuesday. I think it's the safest option in Kiev on any midweek night for a good crowd. From what I recall entry is cheap/free during the week (maybe 30Hrv, if anything) and something like 50Hrv at the weekend.
On the busier nights (Tues, Thurs-Sat) it's worth getting there a bit earlier - before 10.30pm - to get a table or a seat at the bar. The bar seats are pretty good as, since it rotates, you'll have a regular chance to scope out everyone there. Otherwise, anything opposite the staircase is pretty good.
On the quieter nights, it doesn't really pick up until 11-11.30pm. Drink prices are pretty standard for a bar which attracts some businessmen, but it ain't too expensive. They do some killer cocktails and even these aren't too badly priced, if this is what your date is drinking.
I don't think I've had a bad night there, I've picked up a few freebies, met and taken dates there - bar staff are great too.
Only bad thing are the taxis outside, which expect stupid money. As MM mentioned there's a huge all night supermarket opposite. I usually cross over the road to pick up something and just hail down a car/taxi from the other side of the road.
I'm going to Kiev early next year for a couple of weeks purely for holiday, so if no-one else has taken on the club review challenge by then I'll take one for the team and visit every club I can find!
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Web link Are these real women?
Does anyone have any info on this site-- Publichouse.ru ? I can't read the pages but from the looks of women you don't need to read.
Are these escorts, incall/outcall?
Has anyone used this site or women?
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Disappointment at RP ... but good ending
A short report on my few weeks old, 2-nights visit to Kiev.
Arrived with a colleague to the Borispol at evening and straight to River Palace (following reading this forum).
What can I say, the quality and number of beautiful girls is truly amazing, and I’ve been in few places (Moscow, Kishinev, etc).
But the prices, oh the prices – all started at $250 (which I expected based on this forum’s reports), but were unwilling to get bellow $150, and even that just for the couple of hours, not a full night.
Now I’m mid 30’s and OK looking and my colleague is even better looking. It was a Sunday night, around 2-3 am. So I don’t understand this, has the prices went so up, or is there some other explanation?
Anyway, weren’t willing to pay that much, and after a good meal headed out for the taxis.
Now, I always thought that taxi drivers are the best source for mongering information anywhere. And this proved very much true in Kiev as well.
After telling the driver our frustration, he quickly consulted his colleagues and came up with several numbers. Eventually he called some agency, whose number is +380442099422, and picked up 2 dievs from their apartments on the way.
Both turned out to be just fine (about 8), not as beautiful as the ones in RP, but much more friendly and simple going, which let to wonderful GFE in the apartment.
Both cost us $250 ($125 each) for a full night (till 8-9 am). Mine was Yulia and my friend got Tanya. Tanya was really a nymphomaniac, she just wouldn’t stop and kept my friend up all night asking for more sex.
Yulia was also OK, willing to please anyway I liked, but talked too much (I speak fluent Russian).
The second evening we called the girls directly, able to close on $100 for Yulia and $80 for Tanya. At the end Yulia didn’t feel well that night, switching with her room mate – Valya, which turned out to be a bit older (mid 30), but an extremely worm and passionate red-headed with model type body.
I did her in every direction, including long anal (just couldn’t finish the second time). She stayed till 9 am and departed only after an excellent morning sex (which I always like the best).
So IMHO, go to RP only to get in the mood and observe the local talent (and there’s a lot), but for real action consult your friendly taxi driver.
Happy mongering,
Barmer.
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Studly77,
PublicHouse is a Russian site, not an Ukrainian one. Girls are in Moscow, not Kiev.
It's not an agency. It's like newspapers' ads and you can have real girls as well as bait & switch. Some do incall, some do outcall, some do both. It's mentioned in their ads. You will need to have some knowledge of Russian to communicate with them (be it only to have their address or to give them yours), as the majority does not speak English.
You have more information on this site, and on similar ones, in the Moscow forum.
Jim
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expected revolution against Russia
The revolution against Russia evolving from Lvov is spreading throughout the country..
I can tell you that Ukraine is never gonna be like Belarus and the elections will have to be reheld sooner or later..
However, the mongering scene will not be effected in any negative way in either case....
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Am just back from a trip to EE, with a stop in Kiev just last week end, in the middle of the elections... Quite impressive indeed, many people in the streets, but no agressivity and no violence at all. However, it's highly exagerate to say that there are hundred of thousands, 10,000-20,000 max, not even 30,000 (at least on Saturday and Sunday night, on Kreschatik street).
But back to business. Due to the elections, River Palace was empty. Moved to Moda Bar and Mandarin, and they were even more empty. Back to Kreschatik, lots of young girls still hanging around, and it was dead easy approaching and talking to them. I shouldn't even have gone to River Palace. Ended up with 6 girls in my apartment who completely emptied my fridge (well, that's why they came. I proposed something to eat and to drink). After some dancing, only one stayed (I guess she pulled the short straw and had to sacrifice herself), while the 5 other left. I was hoping for at least a threesome. Oh, well...
Saw Diana from Gia. As cute as in the photos, if not more (usually, it's the contrary). Fair English. However, contrary to what Gia states in their emails, she doesn't kiss and is not enthusiastic for OWO. Put the condom on as soon as she can. On the other hand, very imaginative with sex in all positions, no problem for DATY and fingering. Overall an average performance, not disappointing, but I've seen better with Gia.
Also saw Olya from Stars from Heaven. Much more expensive than Gia, but I was attracted by Olya, who was added to the site less than a week before I came. Only basic English, but excellent services. DFK, OWO with CIM, DATY, fingering, all with enthusiasm. Highly recommended.
Jim
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selection..
The enthusiastic service is almost standard for starsfromheaven..
However, whether for gia or starsfromheaven or RP or regarding a freebie, it's always a good idea to prefer a lively blonde for optimum satisfaction....
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Cheap flight to Kiev
Hello there,
Sorry to intevene in you socio-politico-mongering theses on the Ukranian situation but can you tell me if there are any cheap flights to Kiev from London (any airport) run by companies other than Ryaniar and Easyjet as I am not finding any. I
Keep the discussion going comrades-in-fuck..
Take care,
Johnny
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Star from Heaven
Good afternoon Guys,
I am going in Kiev end of this week. I have already booked for Sunday nigth Julia from Star from Heaven, she looks to have a wonderfull breast.
Did some one meet her ?
I saw on GIA some nice girls as Olivia, Dasha, Zhenja (but she speaks German) and Diana but she have not such a nice review from our friend GanJim.
Do you know other agency, this will be my first trip in Kiev?
I will try to go to RP for sure, do you have advice about RP?
Thank you
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Disappointment at RP ... but good ending
A short report on my few weeks old, 2-nights visit to Kiev.
Arrived with a colleague to the Borispol at evening and straight to River Palace (following reading this forum).
What can I say, the quality and number of beautiful girls is truly amazing, and I’ve been in few places (Moscow, Kishinev, etc).
But the prices, oh the prices – all started at $250 (which I expected based on this forum’s reports), but were unwilling to get bellow $150, and even that just for the couple of hours, not a full night.
Now I’m mid 30’s and OK looking and my colleague is even better looking. It was a Sunday night, around 2-3 am. So I don’t understand this, has the prices went so up, or is there some other explanation?
Anyway, weren’t willing to pay that much, and after a good meal headed out for the taxis.
Now, I always thought that taxi drivers are the best source for mongering information anywhere. And this proved very much true in Kiev as well.
After telling the driver our frustration, he quickly consulted his colleagues and came up with several numbers. Eventually he called some agency, whose number is +380442099422, and picked up 2 dievs from their apartments on the way.
Both turned out to be just fine (about 8), not as beautiful as the ones in RP, but much more friendly and simple going, which let to wonderful GFE in the apartment.
Both cost us $250 ($125 each) for a full night (till 8-9 am). Mine was Yulia and my friend got Tanya. Tanya was really a nymphomaniac, she just wouldn’t stop and kept my friend up all night asking for more sex.
Yulia was also OK, willing to please anyway I liked, but talked too much (I speak fluent Russian).
The second evening we called the girls directly, able to close on $100 for Yulia and $80 for Tanya. At the end Yulia didn’t feel well that night, switching with her room mate – Valya, which turned out to be a bit older (mid 30), but an extremely worm and passionate red-headed with model type body.
I did her in every direction, including long anal (just couldn’t finish the second time). She stayed till 9 am and departed only after an excellent morning sex (which I always like the best).
So IMHO, go to RP only to get in the mood and observe the local talent (and there’s a lot), but for real action consult your friendly taxi driver.
Happy mongering,
Barmer
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Who gives a shit about the politics? I went overseas to eat pussy when the US EMbassy issued a travel advisory because a coup had taken places. Monkeys come, monkeys go. I'd rather eat some pussy in the snow. I could care less if they all get shot. Maybe it will bankrupt their economy so prices will drop.
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Thanks Vegamars!
I did not know about the stars from heaven site!. Prices a little high for 10 hours but girls are better looking.
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Optimism and hoping
MM
Man, I hope you're right. I just don't have your optimism that Yanukovich and his cronies are just going to give up on power without a nasty struggle. They can see that their time is up soon, but will they go before their ready?
I think it depends on whether the army and police actively choose sides - if they actively support Yuschenko and join the protest then it's a done a deal. If they don't...who knows? If they support Yanukovich and turn on the protesters it'll take the country back years.
Don't much about the Ukrainian police/army - anyone know if they are particularly politicised?
I'm here willing a peaceful victory. Viva la revolution!
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Protests
Well guys, I hope all this clears itself up pretty quick. I'm still waiting for my visa and I don't want anything stupid like politics spoiling my good time with the dyevs. On a positive note, if all those Ukrainian men are camping out on independance square, someone will have to keep the ladies warm at home :-)Also since people have taken days off work, then the p4p scene might be cheaper, since there is less money going around (especially if there is a nationwide strike). Anyway, I saw Putin on cnn with some EU guys, so hopefully Russia are starting to help sort this mess out.
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Ludovico,
I'm just back from Kiev, see my post below. Hold back your trip, until things clear out (and maybe they celebrate and everybody is happy and want to have fun ;)). Usual mongering places were empty, I don't know where all the girls have gone. In Moda bar (I always had a wonderful time there), there were only about 10 guys and 5 girls (that's bad sign), only 2 girls were occupied (even more bad sign, guess how the other 3 look like).
If you speak a little bit Russian, you can try joining the crowd and talk to some girls after they have spent the whole day and night shouting in the cold, but there is no guarantee for any result.
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3 photos
Yes!
Right!
Exactly!!
What?
Here comes the man!
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Gand Jim,
I read your report about Kiev. Dissapointing reading it was too. However, I'm going to give them a couple of weeks to get their acts together and if they don't I'll just go mongering someplace else like Poland or Hungary (just had a buddy come back from northeast Poland, and he told me it was fantastic). It's just my luck that shit like this happens when I'm planning a trip, but as they say in France "c'est la vie".
Man-goose
what's up? I think you're probably right. Putin needs to know he has influence outside of Russia and endorsing (appointing) the next leader of Ukraine probably gives him the satisfaction he can't get from all those young dyevs in his own country (or they wont give him). Putin, is still pissed off about all those NATO f-16's flying missions over the Baltic states and the thought of NATO taking over the second most important neighbour after China, really gets his goat. (Fucking loser, doesn't he know he can't defeat capitalism, it's already kicked his asss once).
Anyway, if good ol' uncle Dubya and Phoney Blair the teddy bear, decide to send in the troops, I'll be one of the first to volunteer. Not every day you get a free trip to "candyland", (Mangus, have you copyrighted this apt description of EE yet?).
Well, being a perverted s.o.b, I'm now going to check out the flirt4free website to get my craving for EE candies. Those biatches drive me nuts with all their teasing.
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Boy propaganda at its best
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Last thoughts to remember
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I just contacted an agency. They are still in business and will send girls. People have to eat. The drop in guys there should make the prices more competitive. You are overreacting.
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Should I stay or should I go ?
Fellow mongers - In Kiev at the moment and leaving tomorrow. The situation here is very much akin to Poland in 1981, and also harks back to E. Germany in the late autumn of 1989...
Believe me it's cold - and if violence does erupt, then the Putinites will have no qualms in quashing what so far has been a very peaceful & well organised demonstration for democracy.
Lives don't count in the Moscow way of doing things - and believe me you do not want to be around when the water cannon & riot police set about their work.
On the other hand however - you could just confine yourself to your hotel - and just watch this spectacle. At least you could say that you "were there".
Dyevs - are mostly freezing their tits off protesting - and the ones that are not, are the ones you would prefer not to touch.
Cheers I
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it will take a long time...
From what I hear from friends over there, I can tell you that there's currently a very sharp dispute between the west evolving from Lvov and the east evolving from Donetsk..
As for the mongering scene, I think things will not be as good as before till at least the second half of January after the long 2-week-Christmas and New Year-vacation.
Meanwhile, it would be a good idea to meet the Ukrainian chicks in other locations abroad...
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Kiev action
I am in Kiev right now and it is an interesting atmosphere. So far everything is peaceful, but we will have to see how long that lasts. As for clubs, I was at 111 , Tato and Chaikovsky... the crowds were down, but there was still an excellent girl-guy ratio. About 70-30 at 111 and 60-40 at Chaikovsky. Quality of girl is high, 7-8s abound with a sprinkling of genuine 9s...
A lot of expats are staying home or barricading themselves indoors, so if you are here it is like having the town to yourself.
IanJohn is right though, most student age dyevs are marching around during the day, but they are still hitting the clubs at night.
Haven't been to RP or ModaBar yet... maybe next week... provided the situation doesn't escalate by then... :)
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In Kiev
Its a tough time to be on the lookout here now. The atmosphere is all serious and most dyevs seem more interested in politics all of a sudden. Clubs are only half full, and many people are a bit afraid to go out at night.
The streets are full and many dyevs are on the streets, but most of the girls I have seen on the streets are the average looking variety. Heaven knows where Kiev has hidden the fit birds
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simple
The answer is sample, most of them are away in other cities in the south or even abroad for an early Christmas break..
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Kiev bars
The girls are here, just many are at home and dont want to go out, or are out protesting on the streets. One girl told us that all her girlfriends are just not in the mood to party at all this weekend due to the political situation, so will be staying at home, or marching in Kreshchatik
Skank and I took a couple of dancing queen dyevs from 111 back to our apartment last night - at least they were party girls and they didnt seem to have to many qualms about speading their legs and getting a serve. Both looked kinda romanian / odessan with dark straight hair and dark eyes, but both 100% Ukranian apparently
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girls and clubs
The generally pro-debauchery upbeat mood of Kiev has been replaced by some new found political consciousness that I find morally unsound. Make love not war!
Thankfully a few cocktails and dancing at 111 last night rescued RM and I from sexual abstinence and we rescued two vampress dyevs from their political concerns and provided them with an opportunity to fuck for freedom.
I was moved.
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Doc,
glad to hear that you and the "man on the telly", are still in the persuit of excellence. I guess with you two around hogging all the 9's and 10's that only leaves the 7's and 8's for the rest of us. Anyway, I hope all this political wrangling ends pretty soon, so as soon as my visa arrives I can join you in the sweetshop that is Kiev. I wish you good luck for the hunt yet to come!
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Aren't we kind of missing the big picture here?
Has anyone here determined yet the important
issue of which of the 2 candidates is really on our
side of the mattress?
Has either one received our official endorsement from MIPUDD,
(Mongers International for the Preservation of Ukrainian Dyev Debauching).
Who do we want?
Yanuts-a-itch Yankmycrankobich or Whobichacockoff Yustanko?
Man I hate politics :-(
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Who should win
Well if the good guy, Yushenko, wins, the country will become more westernised and wealthier.
I fail to see how that serves my interests.
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Kiev dyev's
One can certainly see from this link where some the good looking birds are, exactly, freezing their nipples off.
http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/FrameSet.aspx?s=EventImagesSearchState|1|0|30|0|0|1|0|0|0|51777525|0|0|0|0|0||0|0|0|0&p=1
Cheers,
Buzz
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Latest news
Well, I've just seen that the Ukrainian parliament has ruled that the election was flawed. Even though this doesn't change anything it might inspire the supreme court to do the same on Monday morning. The sooner this ends the better for us.
I fully agree with Mangus and Roger (bollocks) Mellie, that the present situation is the best for us mongers, however I believe that any changes in Ukraine are going to take a while to happen, so we will probably have a few years yet to enjoy the benefits of Willy Wonkas Chocolate Factory (Mangus, we'll leave the umpa lumpas for you).
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Keep the ole Ruski spirit alive - let Yanukovych win. Luhansk and Donetsk are calling for autonomous states if he doesn't win.
I see you guys are paying $250 for a girl from RP. That's a month's salary in Kiev. Personally, I've never paid more than $100 in RP. That's only for 8-10. It's doable.
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changes are about to be over..
The change in Ukraine has been going on for a long time now, depicted by the uprise of the prices in the mongering scene during the last couple of years..
In any case, Ukraine will never be a satellite of Russia nor any other western country via capitalism or modernization...
Most people still don't understand the realm beneath the surface and just assume an erroneous comparison with what's going on or what's happened in other parts of the world.
Hence, nothing's gonna change as for the mongering purposes with any possibility....
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Situation in Kiev?
So are things there? Looks like it might start getting rough. I was supposed to pass through there today but my flight got cancelled. I'll be going in a week. I'll be reading over this forum and may stay for a day or two. I'm interested in where some of you stay, what it costs and the best places to find girls when you have limted time. I'll do searches but if you can share anything with me, even as a PM, I'd be thankful. Later.
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How do you trust the girls?
I wonder how you guys deal with sleeping and not worry about girls stealing your passport, cash, etc. What safegaurds do you guys take?
Do you find non-pro's prefer apartments over hotels? In the past I've had girls not want to meet at hotels. Wondering what others have experienced. Not sure where I'll stay yet?
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What impact, if any, does a revolution in progress have on chasing women... PART 1
Abstract:
Two gentlemen travel to Kiev to research how easy it is to score dyevs during a revolution and compare it to previous visits, in which no revolutions were taking place. Careful anecdotal and photographic evidence is analysed and conclusions are then drawn about the impact of revolutions on the sexual behaviour of Kievan dyevs.
Participants:
Roger Mellie, Doctor Skank, Tanya Sure Fuck, Psycho Victoria, Spikey Blonde, The Birthday Teens, Strange Marina, Strange Sveta, Trendy Yulia, Mick Jagger, The Gypsy, Shy Olga, M the German, Adriana Small Tits, Tanya Big Tits, Ugly Alyona, Boring Blonde, Sweet Sveta, RP #1, Natali 19, Old Man Ukraine, German Speaker, Tanya Marriage, The Armenian, The Little One, The Moscow Model, RP #2, Shy Alena.
The Story:
Thurs
5pm Arrive from Airport, settle into the flat and discuss tactics
6.30 pm Mellie opens up his account immediately by calling up a previous freebie. Tanya Sure Fuck (age 25 but still with a fine body, about an 8) incredibly drops everything and comes round at the drop of a hat. Within 15 minutes she is bustled into the jacuzzi where the fun begins. 30 minutes of naked jacuzzi action follows doing everything but the wild thing. It was pleasing that with extremely limited contact over the past 6 months, an ex would just drop everything to come around to play naked jacuzzi, knowing full well that it means she was going to get shafted. When I could contain my load no longer I suggested we adjourn to the master bedroom. The fun continues in the bedroom where Tanya Sure Fuck gets surely fucked. She is the scratching type though, and after giving her a good shag, I notice I emerge covered in scratches. I give her some lingerie, as that then gives me a premise to get her to model it for me in front of my camera. Once thats done, I shoo her out the door with the obligatory "Sorry Tanya but I have a business meeting now".
9pm We (Skank and I) went out as a pair to meet Psycho Victoria at Il Patio restaurant. She is physically good poking potential, about 23 with a decent enough face and a good body (lets call her a 7), but is a bit of a motormouth and complains too much about everything, including being sick. I ask if she has a friend for Skank. She says yes and we agree to meet sometime later as a foursome.
10:30pm head out to 111 cocktail bar. It was ladies night and only girls are allowed in while male strippers perform. Normally this is a surefire night at this particular venue, but we arrived 30 minutes too early so killed time in a local cafe before returning at 11pm fully psyched up for the drunken debauched dyevs inside. Oh how disappointed we were when we descended the staircase to see the place had only about 20 dyevs in there. It would have been at best a quarter full. This was the first sign that Politics was having a seriously adverse effect on dyev hunting. One clearly drunk girl - the Spikey Blonde - eyes up Skank at the bar. In fact she stares at him so intensely that he feels a bit creeped out. After carefully surveying the bar we note that the 2 best looking girls in the bar are in a group of 6 or 7 dyevs. They all look about 18-19. A few of them start making eyes and Skank goes in for the kill, with me close behind. Its the birthday of one of them so we called them The Birthday Teens. All seems to be going well and it looks like we are onto a good thing when inexplicably group pressure induces the bulk of the Birthday Teens to leave. The remnants of the group invite us to join them at another well known Thursday night venue, Chaikovsky, that happens to be 300 yards from our apartment in Bessarabsky Ploschad, and proximity is always a good excuse to get a dyev into the kvartira, right? This Chaikovsky club on Bessarabsky was a bit of a wank to be honest. Full of 18 year old boys wearing hoods and trying to look like rap stars - and failing. Skank's patience wears out with the 2 remaining Birthday teens who were with us and he hits up the girls to come back to the apartment - Strikeout - "we are not that kind of girls" ... how about "blow me bi-atch". So it was back to 111 cocktail bar collecting telephone numbers that don't pan out. A degree of dejection sets in and we head home.
Fri - Walk streets of Kiev to see where all the dyevs are. Loads of eligible dyevage protesting but totally focussed on politics, instead of trying to find a man. A chance 1:30pm internet encounter has me make contact with Strange Marina. We tell Strange Marina to grab a friend and meet us at O'Panas restaurant for lunch in 30 minutes.
2pm Strange Marina (27, and about a 6) and Strange Sveta (22 and also no more than a 6) meet us at O'Panas and over lunch we talk about our Jacuzzi and Sauna and invite the girls to join us for the remainder of the afternoon. "Maybe later" we are told. But you could see they were in fact vaguely interested. We let them wrestle with their inner demons "porn and a good time with Skank and Mellie vs my fine upstanding reputation in the Kievan community" But for now, it was a semi strikeout.
6pm and together we meet Trendy Yulia at TGIF. She was a girl I contacted last time I was in Kiev and never got a chance to catch up with. She seems definately interested in a double date proposal and assures us she has suitable friends for the job. She is 20 ish, looks like a hair model and has a very sexy smile and a good body. I didnt rate her face highly but we both figured she was well worthy of a poke.
11pm and we turned up at the 111 cocktail bar - Spikey Blonde is there and is still eyeing up Skank. Choice of dyevs is again very limited and the place is at best 40% full. Its Friday night at the biggest meat market in town and its less than half full. Middle aged expats propped up the bar in suits and ties. We make our move on a couple of Romanian looking birds - Mick Jagger and The Gypsy. They were having a good time dancing away and hugging and kissing each other. So Skank moved in on Mick Jagger - if you can imagine a slim good figured romanian girl with a face like a young Mick Jagger, this was her. Skank being Skank made immediate progress and I moved in on the less attractive of the pair, who we shall call "The Gypsy" casue she looked like she had a healthy dose of the Roma in her. The Gypsy was by this stage getting quite drunk and I wasted no time in playing tonsil tennis. Skank was having a tougher time with Mick Jagger and team play demands that the player with the easier girl takes the lead, and the more reluctant of the pair then has little choice but to follow. So I hit on the Gypsy to come back to the apartment. A mid table conference was convened between the dyevs and Mick Jagger agreed. We took them back to the apartment about 2am and we had a quick couple of glasses of baileys for additional dyev lubrication. Skank noted Mick's lips appeared to be born for sucking. Mick's 32 year old body was also great, she was a dance instructor.
I dragged The Gypsy (28 with a body about 7 and a face about 4) onto the sofa adjacent to my bedroom, while Skank and Mick Jagger were on the sofa adjacent to his bedroom. Within 5 minutes I was sucking The Gypsys tits. She was getting off so much on this that it was totally pointless to waste more time - she was lubed up to the maxxx - so I pulled her onto her feet and into the bedroom and sure enough she was ready to rock. I gave a her a pretty decent poke and then fell asleep only to wake up about 5am hearing Skanks bird moaning in the next room. 5:30 and Mick comes into my bedroom, taps The Gypsy on the shoulder and says "po idyom" - lets go. To our great pleasure the girls were keen to go after the poking rather than hanging around only to annoy us in the morning. I quizzed Skank on why there was moaning at 5am and he told me Mick was really reluctant .... that neither of these two normally do this sort of thing and it had taken him 3 hours to get her to put out. He confirmed that her lips were truly born to blow and that he gave her a good poke as a reward. He took her number, while I was happy to let mine slip away into the morning icy mist.
Sat - 12pm I called up another old (19 y.o.) contact who "runs her own dating agency" and asked what the odds were to meet some of her girls this weekend and was told - no chance. "Girls wont go out while its so politically unstable - you have no chance of a date this weekend or while the political situation is like this". It was in essence an answer to our initial question, but Skank and I were determined to prove it by empirical evidence rather than mere hearsay.
2pm and after a determined carpet bombing campaign on some internet dating sites we popped a 'C' pill each - available over the counter for 98 grivnya. The pills did the job admirably for the rest of the trip.
4pm I had an arrangement to meet Shy Olga Virgin at TGIF. She was the first recipient of the carpet bombing run but had been waiting OUTSIDE TGIF rather than INSIDE. Its a Ukranian thing, to meet people outside where you say to meet, while we stupid foreigners prefer to meet in the warmth and comfort of inside. So the attempted meeting failed and as Shy Olga had no moobile phone, I packed it in and went back home. Contact came several hours later and we agreed to meet again but I had "a few things" to sort out with another girl (cant remember who right now) so I sent Skank down to deputise and meet Shy Olga at 7pm with me finally showing at 8. Shy Olga was tall but plain. She was 20 and admitted she was a virgin but seemed interested in the idea of losing it. Skank and I decided to let her stew on it rather than to push her and told her to get back in touch when she wanted to meet again. She also told us she had a 22 year old sister who looked like a model. Well both of us have plenty of experience in that particular arena so yet another double date / double poke was a possibility.
10pm meet M the German at Caribbean Club. M the German was a guy Skank knew from a previous visit to Ukraine, but he was leaving tomorrow. This Caribbean Club was supposedly the latin haven of Kiev, but it looked more like a corny set for an amateur theatre production to me. If that wasnt bad enough, it cost a load to get in there, drinks were expensive, and there were no single women at all. It was a total waste of time.
11pm and we hit Tato fashion club. Its a fair ride out of the centre and it looked less than lively when we arrived. It was also decked out with all the style and sophistication of a high school gym - in fact I dont think I would be going too far if I said it looked like a joke from a bad movie. The 3 of us grabbed a beer and had a giggle while some attractive women dancers employed by the club did their funky thing on the stage. By the time we were half way thorough our beers, the decision to go there was looking more promising. People were arriving by the minute, and they were all girls, mostly cute and mostly around 20. A pair set up camp right next to us and started doing their dyev dancing thing. We made eyes at them and Skank and I worked out who was going to go for who. I wanted the taller of the two, a cute blonde with a miniskirt, boots, big tits and a low cut top designed to show them off. Her name was Tanya Big Tits. Skank wanted the shorter one, called Adriana Small Tits. Adriana Small Tits was more plain that Tanya Big Tits and I figured a stud like Skank should have no problems there. Before we got any rhythm into the conversation a fashion show started up and models wearing almost nothing started prancing down a makeshift runway. The crowd here was very clubby with everyone seeming to know everyone else and a really annoying obese bearded MC who looked like Demis Roussos whittering away into his microphone over the top of the music. When the fashion show ended I got back into stride with Tanya Big Tits but Skank was struggling with Adriana Small Tits. It was yet more rejection from an average looking dyev. The obvious "percentage tennis" at this point was for me to get Big Tits phone number and then Skank, M the German and I could blow that place and head back to cocktail bar for some more sluttage. I could always follow up with Big Tits later once I got her number.
1am and we settle in back at the 111 cocktail bar. I met a guy I knew from a previous visit to Kiev who was there with a couple of expat dyevs. The expatellas were drunk and would have been easy targets but we didnt go to Kiev to shag expatellas. Despite their flirting, we denied them service. Saw a couple of fine looking 18 - 20 ish dyevs shaking their groove thing on the dance floor and just when it was time to make a move they went and sat down with ... boyfriends... doh! Dyev selection was grim. Saw a couple of dyevs who were (a) together and (b) without boyfriends so we targetted them.... even though they were average and plain at best. We called them Ugly Alyona and Boring Blonde. Skank went off to flirt with a redhead (he has a thing for them you know) and by the time he gets back, both of us get rejected! Rejected by Plain-Jane Ukranian chicks. We had hit rock bottom. Morale in the team needed an uplift. Skank noted Spikey Blonde was there ... again ... and as usual was making eyes at him most of the night so he decided to cut his losses and grab her and take her home. But wait for it - even this girl who was clearly infatuated with him, pulled out at the last minute after initially agreeing.
Kiev was proving tough.
Stay tuned for part 2
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What impact, if any, does a revolution in progress have on chasing women... PART 2
The Story - Continued
Sun
2pm Bolster flagging mojo by getting Tanya Sure Fuck round. I drag her into the bedroom and the results of the C pill (range of about 4 days) make her gasp. I gave her a long quality poke but hadnt finished yet. As my reward for the good poking, I took some gentlemans photos before reaching into my bag of tricks and pulling out a vibrating butt plug. I plug it into her and turned it on while I shagged her doggy style. Its a nice feeling cause I felt the vibes thru her internal walls. She was shocked but got into it pretty quickly. After 10 minutes or so, I removed the plug and replaced it with me. The poor girl had never been down this road before and I had to take my time before I eventually shot a load into her ass. A few kisses and cuddles in the Jacuzzi and she was back in happy heaven. When I asked her to go at 5pm cause I had "a meeting to go to" she was very disappointed.
Skank meanwhile had been out of the house meeting The Little One. A short girl from one of his internet sites who was the daughter of trendy Kievan aristocracy. The Little One tells him she has a friend, a Model from Moscow visiting and while she was married back in Moscow, would be open to double date at Skank and Mellie's "Moscow Models R us".
6pm and it was another double date with Skank to Morokana restaurant with my Psycho Victoria and her friend Sweet Sveta. Just before going, Shy Olga Virgin called me up and said she needed to meet me at 8pm and mentioned something about trying something new. I was convinced she wanted me to pop her cherry. So at 7:45 I invented a fake emergency phone call, excused myself from dinner (where Skank was making admirable progress with Sweet Sveta) and rushed back to meet Shy Olga for her ritual deflowering. After a few drinks we went for a short walk (to my apartment) but just outside the door she froze and got wet feet. "Ukrainian Girls will never come up to a mans apartment alone" she insisted. I have news for you baby - oh yes they do! But she was clearly thinking of mummy, daddy, the grandparents and how she would let them all down if she succumbed to her lust to lose her virginity. So she turned around and walked off. I was about to go inside but thought I would have one last roll of the dice... I ran down the street and kissed her. She got into it and started hugging me like a bear would. Then after 5 minutes of what I thought would be a prelude to her coming up stairs, she suddenly snapped again, turned around and walked away shamefaced that she had already done so much. No Cigar.
I had this 19 year old called Natali coming in by train from Zaporozhe who was due to arrive at 6 am the next morning and so I was keen for an early night. The plan was to have her with me for a day and a night and pound her ruthlessly.
Skank hits River Palace and scores an attractive skinny blonde in exchange for a photo of Ben Franklin. I wake up at various times in the night to hear giggling and splashing coming from the Jacuzzi. Skank got his money's worth with loads of still and video photography.
Mon 630am - Natali 19 turns up and calls me from downstairs. I trot down to let her in and am shocked and stunned when I meet her on the freezing early morning Kiev Street and she introduces me to ... her Father, Old Man Ukraine, who had travelled with his daughter into Kiev. Neither Natali 19 nor the almost toothless Old Man Ukraine had ever been to Kiev before. This was a major fucking disaster. They werent leaving until at 8pm tonight but I would have to waste an entire day babysitting Old Man Ukraine instead of fucking the arse off his 19 year old daughter, who within 5 minutes made it clear she was infatuated with me. I really dont want to go into this day, cause it was a total disaster from my perspective and I really dont need to relive those most awkward memories. I wrote off a day.
3pm and Skank meets a sweet young plain german speaking bird who we shall call German Speaker. He takes her back to the apartment and despite me sitting there in the living room watching Ukranian political updates with Natali 19 and Old Man Ukraine, he drags German Speaker into his bedroom next door and gets as far as the tit grope and good french kissing action.
5pm and Skank helps me devise an excuse about a business meeting that cuts 3 hours of my babysitting time and gets Natali 19 and Old Man Ukraine out of the apartment and out of my hair. She moans about missing me on the train ride back to Zaporozhe while I shoved then out the door. What kind of stupid bimbo brings her dad along 12 hours to meet a guy?
6pm and it was time to meet Tanya Marriage, another victim of the intensive carpet bombing campaign. Her name was Tanya and she was a secretary in a marriage agency, but didnt like any of the guys who come though. She was tall, slim, blonde, 25 yo and about a 7 overall and we met at a trendy coffee / beer place just off Khreschatik. Skank arrived with The Armenian, a dyev he had poked on a previous trip to Kiev, but couldnt get her too far this time as she had a new man now. I didnt get the sense that I was likely to get a poke of Tanya Marriage in the remaining 36 hours so I didnt push her too far and said goodbye around 8pm. It was a pity meeting her so late, cause a couple more days and dates and she would been poke-able.
8.30pm and I get a call from Strange Marina, who wants to talk dirty. I tell her to come over to the apartment and she starts drooling away in a sexy voice "what do you want to do to me?" I told I will would probably kiss her all over. She says " mmmm, and then what?".... I said just get your butt round to the flat and I will give you the works. "I want to hear what the works is, tell me, tell me" ... she was just stringing me along trying to get me to talk dirty to her. She wanted me to come from phone sex and dirty talk. I prefered the more mentally satisfying alternative of filling her bowels with sperm. This sleazy chit chat went on for 20 minutes before I told her I am hanging up and she was to get her little ass round. Alas, she didnt come. Another time, another mood and She would have been a sure shag too, but I just didnt have time to stuff around talking dirty with only a day or so remaining.
9pm Skank was out with Sweet Sveta on a follow up date, before taking her back to the flat and getting jiggy with her titties. That was his second taste of new titties in 6 hours.
Midnight and Skank called the Little One and she tells us to meet her and Moscow Model at this decadent place about 200 yards from our flat. We could hardly refuse to go as it was a 3 minute walk and they were already there. We had a few cocktails and made a good foursome. The Little One was clearly infatuated with Skank (a puddle formed under her seat every time Skank touched up her thighs) and The Moscow Model was having a better time than she expected to have. She cleverly checked herself whenever it became too obvious that she was enjoying my company - it isnt proper for married Moscow Models to show they are happy in the company of a guy they just met. But neither of us was ever going to get a score there that night and we said goodbye as the girls made their way home. Skank was happy to try River Palace again after the good value he had the previous night, and I decided to join him and pay for play for my first time in the Ukraine.
2am - at the palace, got a well located table and cased out the joint. Unlike Skanks previous night, there were loads of girls there and they clearly outnumbered the guys. I targeted the best looking girl in the place and went over to her. $300. I chuckled in her ear and said if she decides she wants to make a enjoyable $100, to tap me on the shoulder. A few other girls there came back with $200s and about my 4th choice agreed $100. Skank meanwhile was striking out. He tried a bunch and couldnt get anything lower than $200. I told him I would split with mine while he tried to find one and 20 grivnya later was back at the flat with RP#2. It was a disaster. Sometimes you get the stubborn unfriendly bitches who seemed so nice when they were touting for your business and sometimes you get the genuine girls who get into it. This one was the former. First she threw a tantrum and wouldnt get into the Jacuzzi, then she freaked out about cameras, accidentally knocking my digital onto the floor and breaking it. There was nothing left to do but to shaft her ruthlessly. She really pissed me off and the combination of the C and a few drinks meant I was able to pound her hard and fast for about an hour, resting only to catch my breath. Just when she thought I might have finally come, I fired up again pounding the crap out of her. She left early and on bad terms. I will post her pic later so you know to avoid her. She was the pits - one of those experiences that make you think you will never shell out for p4p again. No camera posing, no alcohol, no jacuzzi, no friendliness no anything. Skank returned from River Palace with nothing - he couldnt find anyone he wanted at a decent price.
Tue
2pm and another carpet bombing target is to be met. Shy Alena at TGIF. We chat for about 45 mins over a Caesar salad and then I invite her back to flat to have some Baileys and listen to some music. Skank was out meeting Shy Olga giving her a last shot so I had the pad to myself. Shy Alena was short, very plain (we had way to many plain birds but thats just the way we had to cover ourselves on this trip) 20 and shy. I didnt want to waste time on my last day and figured I have a few hours to kill before meeting the next dyev, so I might as well get a mouthful of new titties. Just when the kissing is hotting up and I am literally seconds away from her titties, her mobile phone rings. Its Mum. "Where are you" I hear Mum barking into the phone. Doh! Shy Alena snaps out of the passion induced stupor and says she has to go home to her mum, but not before a long lingering face suck by the door. If only I had another 10 minutes.
5pm Skank visits Mick Jagger at a place in her part of town (a bunch of metro stops away) but Mick was on her period so Skank bugged out and returned ASAP.
6pm I met Psycho Victoria at the coffee / bar place off Khreshchatik (by now we had the feel of the cool places in central Kiev to use as meeting places and bars to go to). Psycho Victoria was feeling better (having been sick for most of out visit) and we go for a bit of a walk and have a nice kiss goodbye. I mention to her that her mate Sweet Sveta is coming around later and would probably be poked by Skank and that Psycho Victoria was welcome to join me in emulating them but a bit of kissing was all I was going to get that night from her.
9pm Skank gets Sweet Sveta to visit him at the flat and goes to town on her, getting her over the line on the last night. He reported using the "schizo" technique on her and getting her into the jacuzzi for the first time in her life before giving her what he described to me as a top quality shag. She left at 11.
I meanwhile was out on a date with Tanya Big Tits. I wasnt expecting too much from it and had another date lined up for 11 pm. But Tanya Big Tits I found out was only 19. I had thought she was about 25. On hearing this news I redoubled my efforts for one last shot at glory. I plied Tanya Big tits with cocktails first at the decadent place and then at a new Klitshko bar Orangerie. Both were stylish elegant lounge bars with funky music - my scene - By midnight we were kissing and groping away in Orangerie and it was past the 11:30 deadline that anyone who wants to get home by public transport in Kiev has to abide by. And Tanya Big Tits lived an hour away by metro and mashrutki. It wasnt exactly nearby. So how was she planning to get home?? I invited her back to the flat which was nearby - 100 metres away in fact. Once inside I gave her a baileys to help think things over, (there was almost none left as Skank had used a truckload to get Sweet Sveta over the line only hours earlier) and suggested she stay the night. Before long I had her straddling me on the sofa and was kissing those 19 year old big tits while slipping my fingers under her thong - she was all wet and ready to rumble. Her initial suggestion of sleeping on the sofa was swept aside and I led her into the bedroom where she got another good serve. Skank and I may not have had as much shagging as we would have liked on this trip but there were no poor performances. She loved riding cowgirl style and had a particular angle worked out that obviously made her cum. Every 20 mins or so she took up that position and came with a minute or two. She was also particularly adept with her hips, having the grinding motions pretty much perfected at the tender age of 19. After no less than 75 minutes of very vigorous poking and all manner of positions, I pulled out of her and came in her mouth. She swallowed every drop. We collapsed. It was a top class poke.
I had no idea where Skank was that night but awoke to noises around 5:30 am. It was a good enough excuse for me to lube up Tanya Big Tits and slip a second serve in from behind. I dont know if she heard the muffled moans coming from Skanks room, but I deliberately made more noise than usual to help muffle the moans. Again I got to come in her mouth after a long slow poke.
Tanya Big Tits and I eventually woke around 9:30am to find another pair of boots in the hallway - Skank had obviously scored - and the kitchen full of prawns. It was someone with a seafood fetish. About 10:15 am Skank emerges and confesses it was Spikey Blonde in the bedroom. He had gone back to the cocktail bar and it was packed with talent. He had been hit by loads of birds. One bird asked if he would like to make some plans for the night that included her, while Spikey Blonde who had been to the bar every night for the last 4 nights waiting for Skank to return, approached him and asked him to help with her trouser zipper - with a warning "be careful - I have no underwear on". He picked Spikey Blonde to reward her for her perseverance and her bubbly personality.
So the first normal bar night in Kiev came on the last night. Thats the sort of thing you expect from the cocktail bar every night, but we missed it the first 5 nights. On the 6th and final night, it arrived.
Final Results:
Mellie
3 Freebies (2 new, 1 from earlier visit)
1 p4p
Skank
3 Freebies (3 new)
1 p4p
One frustrating thing was the last 36 hours or so we were really getting into a good groove and both of us had 2-3 more on the verge of going over if we just had an extra day or two.
Conclusions:
We both got rejected a hell of a lot. We were getting rejected by 6s and 7s and lower in a few cases. That was clearly at odds with earlier visits to Kiev which saw us "in a zone". We concluded that in the current politically charged atmosphere it was in fact considerably harder pulling freebies in Kiev right now than in Moscow. Historically Kiev has been easier than Moscow, some would say considerably easier. Political activism is clearly at odds with sexual activity.
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Warts and All
Roger,
great warts and all reporting. All goes to show that even a difficult week in Kiev is better than a normal week in most countries. Plenty of typos - guess you were desperate to get that report in before Skank came up with a completely different version of events. :)
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typos
late night typing until 3am just to get it all out before I forget the juicier details. Am editing typos now. Cheers
PS... pics (of my dyevs) now available in the pics section ... and I am kinda hoping the stories dont contain warts!
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River Palace
Ham Bloke:
I agree with you in principal that $100 should be target price in RP. However achieving this price isn't always possible. In fact, in an effort to do so, on one night I actually STRUCK OUT at RP. Now that takes talent... :)
To exercise my point... I went to RP twice last week and had two totally different experiences.
On Sunday night many girls available for $100. I made a quick selection that was very satisfactory. High quality girl. Great attitude. Great vibe. Great sex all night long. Another wonderful case of a dynamo girl that just wants to keep fucking and won't let you sleep after the initial rounds. A very good investment.
On Monday night the place was full of attractive girls, but they were very adamant about minimum price being $150... in fact most insisted on $200+.
It wasn't a matter of being resilient or waiting it out. I did wait it out. I was resilient... even charming at times. However a common answer was "I only go for $200" or even a short and snotty "$200 take it or leave it". Some girls were even downright rude when I said I'd never pay that much, simply turning away and motioning for me to go away... a classic brush off. Not only will I never pay $200 at RP, I'll definitely never go with a rude pro.
It also wasn't a matter of too much competition. There were about 10 guys and 40 girls there, about half of the 10 guys already occupied and in fact appeared to be local. So 35 girls were competing for 5 guys and still not budging in price.
In fact, on that Monday night, it got late and I got bored and I simply left alone, hitting up 2 girls in a last gasp effort with an offer of $100 for 3 hours at about 4am but still getting blown off. So no, $100 for a decent girl (not to mention the elusive 9) isn't always possible. As tired and annoyed as I was, I wasn't going to pay more since I really wouldn't have gotten much out of it. Instead I saved my energy for the clubs on Tuesday night. Energy that I would need in abundance. More on that later.
As for quality of girl at RP it was genuinely high, however I did not see many 9s and certainly no 10s at RP. I saw maybe 2 or 3 girls I'd give a 9 rating to in 2 days at RP. And this was in that low light pros love... in natural they were most likely in fact 8s. Having a great body doesn't make a girl a 9 in my book. Most Ukrainian pros of any caliber have a great body. As for the few 9s, my mate RM chatted up one of the rare 9s and she wanted $300. Laughable. RM, in keeping with the WSG spirit, blew her off unceremoniously. I wish he'd blown a massive load all over her smug face, but not at that price tag.
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Love in the time of revolution
Recently got back from a 5 day excursion to Kiev. I met up with Roger Mellie, a great mate and fellow hedonist. His report is a post or two back, detailing his experiences and ours together. It’s great reading to get an idea of what it’s like in Kiev during these turbulent times.
Going out with RM was great, not only to he share taking the initiative and leading the charge on numerous occasions, he also provided excellent wingman support in my endeavours. And failing to score but still having a mate to drink and carouse with took any measure of bitterness out of the cold 4am Kiev air. If you can find a WSG member to prowl with you during your excursions I suggest you do so. We hooked up with yet another WSGer I knew from Odessa for one night and he was a good mate and we all had fun.
Although RM correctly reports that we received more rejections than we are used to... and that from relatively average birds... we still established contact quickly and fairly effectively. We somehow didn't manage to put the ball between the goal posts as often as we may have been expecting and are accustomed to, but I still did go 2 for 4 and attribute our lack of success to an odd anti-sexual atmosphere in the air (thanks Yushenko), some tactical errors on my part (hitting up too many girls in one night in plain sight of everyone) and the fortunes of freebie hunting, which sometimes deliver a night of bliss and just as often leave you alone and wondering what went wrong.. Perhaps our expectations were too high or our tactics inappropriate in these turbulent times, however I enjoyed every trip to 111 immensely... at the very least there was plenty of flirting to be done. Here are some reports from the clubs…
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Club 111 on Thursday
Club 111 on a Thursday…
“My worst night”
After checking in and getting set up, we went to the internet café and did some “dyev admin”, trying to set up dates, get a few pro numbers etc. This would be a daily ritual and did pan out to a certain extent as we both collected numerous telephone numbers and met a few girls. I didn’t actually screw any of them but did get some kissing and some titty action… not bad considering I put very little effort or money into it and didn’t meet any of them for more than an hour or two. I did meet several girls I’d like to see again but did not have time to actively pursue during this trip… but contact was established, making stage 2 that much easier when I return.
We went to 111, which RM had scored well in before and our fears were confirmed as we saw the club only partially full on an otherwise top clubbing night. This would remain true throughout our stay, no club ever truly filled up or got more than about 1/2 full at best.
Located on the same premises of Hotel Lubid, it remains one of Kiev's premier expat locations for dyev hunting. Moreover, it was almost the only place that showed at least decent action every night of the week (and we tried a lot of places) and was seemingly revolution-proof... and even more interestingly, it was the only club the received universally positive reviews from the more than a dozen of girls we met, including those mentioned in his report ... Mick Jagger and the Gypsy might have been there for the first time, but everybody else from Tanya Big Tits, to the Armenian, the Little One and even my jealous RP pro happily frequented the location. So it seems to draw both slutz and respectable birds as well... Combine this with relatively affordable (22-28 Grivna) well-proportioned cocktails, late opening hours, a rotating bar and decent danceable music and we have a lovely combination
At 111 we drank Cosmopolitans… I don’t know why really, but it is an easy to drink cocktail and fairly light on the stomach… I actually usually enjoy the trendier mojitos and caipirinhias, however these pack to much juice to drink over the course of a night. I stuck to Cosmopolitans, Vodka-Red Bull (Burn actually), Baileys, Mojitos and beer for most of the trip.
I can’t remember the chain of events in perfect detail, but I do remember spotting Spikey Blonde staring at me as soon as we were at the bar. RM actually commented on it as it was really obvious, like some weird death stare or like she was trying to perform the Jedi Mind Trick on me. In a way, it was kind of creepy… but I thought she was cute, so I stared back. When making eye contact with Russian chicks (yeah I know Ukrainians aren’t Russians…whatever) I like to maintain it as long as possible. Seems to me they are used to making guys look away when they stare (and they do love to stare) but if you hold your own you express the kind of confidence they universally adore. Spikey Blonde is kind of a punk girl with a cute face and, as I would discover a few days later, a great body and a demon in the sack. Within 5 minutes she came over to me and more or less latched on to me. It actually made me a bit uncomfortable, as she was cute and everything but certainly no bombshell and the night was young. She kept saying we should go to Chaikovsky as it was better tonight. I told her maybe I’d see her there and blew her off politely. I was hoping… and planning really.. on something else.
After a few moments we spotted some cute teens and made our move. I spoke to one, somewhat of a Christina Ricci look-alike but lacking the extra pounds and soon we had met all 5 or 6. It looked promising… some subtle hand on knee action that met with satisfaction etc… but then after about 1 hour they were gone… all of a sudden they packed up their things and left, only leaving behind the ugliest of the two. With these two in tow we went to Chaikovsky, a mid-sized bi-level club in the center of town. It was ok at best, and subsequent info from other girls would confirm that Chaikovsky was once very good but has since gone to the dogs.
Speaking of, our dogs were at the bar drinking on our account and I consulted briefly with RM before proposing to the girls that we return to the apartment for drinks. The uglier one (which I was now hitting on) looked confused until the birthday girl told me defiantly “we are not that kind of girl”. What does that mean, she has a penis?
Thoroughly annoyed I told her she “should go dance.. alone” and shooed them off. They scurried away. After that exchange I quickly realized the error in my actions, as the birthday teens from earlier than night, who had my number, certainly would get a report from the ugly birthday girl and avoid us. Which they did. No call back.
We returned to 111 and I collected a number from the girlfriend of a girl I liked, but despite an exchange of SMSs, it didn’t pan out. Commo problems. Someone called me and wanted to meet me the next day, but I couldn’t figure out who it was and the meeting never materialized. Maybe it was her, who knows.
Thursday night ended unceremoniously as RM and I returned to our abode empty-handed and wondering where we went wrong.
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Club 111 on Friday
Mick and the Gypsy at 111 (Friday):
“You can’t always get what you want...but sometimes you might just get what you need...”
After Thursday night’s relative failure, we found ourselves at 111 again and although I don't remember the exact course of events I do remember that we were eyeing two Ro-looking birds RM has accurately described as a female Mick Jagger and a Gypsy. We kept checking them out during the course of the night as they got loaded on cocktails and danced up a storm. Turns out Mick is a professional dancer, as her body would later prove. After our initial targets suddenly had local boyfriends, we decided to explore other options. Mick kept eyeing me as she danced and smiling at me with that big fleshy Mick Jagger grin so when she came by the bar I reached out and grabbed her and we began talking in Russian... turns out she and her friend are from Donetsk originally but now living in Kiev.
RM and I held a brief tactical meeting and concluded that we should take what we could get and get out of the club with these girls as quickly as possible before they:
a) sober up
b) or get too drunk to walk
c) discover new found morality in these patriotic times.
Maybe being from Yanukovich's bastion of neo-Russian conservatism helped, but most of all it was RM that led the way now, as after some dancing with Mick I returned to the table to find RM with his tongue down Gypsy's throat and his hand on her tit. Nice. Mick was shocked at her friend's lewd behavior, but I was already collecting our coats before she knew what was happening. Quickly we scurried them into the cab and zoomed home, even as I heard them argue amongst one another if they should do this. Gypsy was all over RM though and Mick had little choice to follow suit. Nor did we really ever allow them to pursue any other options. We just kept the momentum moving towards our pad.
After a brief drink in our apartment, Gypsy was all over RM and they disappeared to go bone and I went to work on Mick. Mick turned out to be tougher than I thought though, and I had to resort to…god forbid… romance to get her in the sack, whispering sweet nothings into her ear and corny crap like “ya hochu tebya sechas, zavtra i poslezavtra…”
And posle-posle zavtra, what’s then?
But I managed to get her into the bedroom and the self-proclaimed “bely neger” soon succumbed to my octopus tactic and once I got some tongue on her tit she was off like a rocket and turned out to be an incredible fuck… a dance instructor, she was incredibly limber, easily putting her legs up on my shoulders or even up around her head as I ruthlessly rodded her trimmed twat… her Mick Jagger lips were put to good use too, as she could suck like a Hoover vacuum cleaner… plenty of those slobbering and sucking noises I so enjoy. I finished by fucking her from behind and then flipping her around and straddling her face while shoving my cock down her throat as best I could before cumming and letting her suck me dry. It was a massive build up too, so she did indeed get her RDA of protein. We slept soon after doing the nasty.
Mick got up early and after writing down her mobile number, went to collect a nearly comatose Gypsy… eventually we all were up and kicked out the girls, noting that they had not asked for taxi money… a rarity in FSU.
RM and had a good laugh discussing the night’s events and returned to bed in an attempt to score some elusive sleep… RM had been noticeably more relaxed early in the trip, having broken the seal with his regular girl, the cute and delightfully innocent Tanya. She had such a positive personality and was so obviously excited to see RM that she was getting at least as much out of it as he was. Now I had at least unloaded and could look towards the weekend with vain optimism.
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Next Week in Kiev
I'll arrive in Kiev Wednesday. Is anyone else going to be there and want to meet?
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Club action, last nights in Kiev
111 report 3 (tuesday):
“my best night”
saturday had been a fun night with lots of female contact as detailed in rm’s report, lots of dancing and flirting, but rather unsatisfying as i again went home alone. i am sure that i committed numerous tactical errors, but i wasn’t really employing any tactic beyond the hand grenade in the fishbowl technicque. it should have worked too, and spikey blonde and i, who really should have been fucking each other since day 1, yet again failed to connect as she got tangled up with an old girlfriend and i got tired of waiting after 10 minutes.
sunday i elected for the rp option and did very well…
monday i employed the octopus tactic on a german speaking dyev from the internet and at least got some good macking and tit-groping in while rm, natali 19 and old man ukraine watched tv in the next room before kicking her out to meet sweet sveta and get a little farther with her. i got some tit off of her and set her up for the next day, as there was no point in going for the score on this night. after that rm had an enjoyable date with two cuties, the little one and moscow model, as detailed in his report. we then went to rp, where i failed to score at rp due to price conflicts, as i detailed in a previous report. rm managed to find a über-suka, whose pleasant demeanor went suddenly sour as soon as she was back in the apartment.
so it was tuesday, my last day in country, and i was determined to get laid... but still unwilling to emply the nuclear option for a second time. i had completely overscheduled tuesday, with 5 appointments and 2 girls on call. considering the fact that most girls worked during the day, the evening schedule would probably not allow me to see more than two or three.
my initial appointment was at 2 with olia the virgin. rm had made little progress on this basket case earlier, but i thought i would make one last ditch effort before writing her off. her appearance certainly wasn’t worth the effort we made, but she was a virgin and did seem interested in losing it, so i thought i’d test the waters. we met at shato, a bar with an in house brewery serving decent beer. normally a good place to go, its location in the center of town however meant it was surrounded by the tent people chanting slogans and living like rats celebrating their revolution. by now i was very annoyed by this pathetic excuse for a revolution. already kiev +5 and i still hadn’t seen a single tank let alone heard a shot fired in anger. it wasn’t that i really wanted a bloodbath during my mongering trip or anything, but the novelty of peaceful protestors blockading the entire main drag kreshatik had definitely worn off by day 3 and was now a mere annoyance. even worse, the orange-clad protestors were starting to get a bit surly and were occasionally stopping people at the doors of buildings.. including my internet café… to “check for spies”. i think they’ve been watching too much tv. anyway, i made sure to wear my orange hilfiger t-shirt every day in a declaration of faux allegiance.
soon after meeting olia i realized it was a waste of time. i had originally planned to get her back to the apartment and employ the octopus tactic, with the schizo tactic as a reserve. but after ten minutes i realized this girl was about as sexual as a lump of coal and i quickly drank my beer and got ready to go. just to salvage something from the encounter though, i did some sweet talking and at least got some kissing and hand holding. i also informed her that her backwater views on sexuality could ruin her life, as if she didn’t at least try out some men she’d never even know what she likes in a man. ridiculously naïve and innocent, olia the virgin didn’t get laid during our stay, but she did manage to kiss two foreign guys in the course of 2 or three days.. i’m sure she is filling her diary with pathetic prose right now… and i am equally sure that the precious virginity that she has been saving up for 20 years now will fall unceremoniously in 2005. who will it be? it won’t be me.
i then quickly jetted out to see mick, who lived out by minskaya metro. we met at a decent bar/restaurant called limpopo, which had a latin theme. nothing special, but ok. not wanting to waste time, i suggested we go back to my apartment because i wanted to be alone with her. i really only wanted an opportunity to get some pics and a quick shag in, but she informed me that she was on the rag.
check please!
so i jetted back to town and rested for an hour before meeting sweet sveta, the 20ish secretary girlfriend of rm’s psycho victoria, who truly is psycho. in fact, the night before while eating at maracon with victoria and sveta, victoria went off on a tirade about nazis and the occult in the third reich and after i said i was a history buff she started quizzing me on the armament of the p-51d mustang fighter place from world war ii. what a wacko! still has a cute face and a nice little pooper though, so i forgive her.
anyway, sveta comes over and i maneuver her on to the couch, realizing i only have about a 2 hour window of opportunity to score before she has to go home to her grandmother. so i give her some bailey’s and employ the octopus tactic, using all 8 tentacles so that she can’t defend herself. she proves reluctant though, and i switch to the schizo tactic… paraphrased as follows:
“are you afraid of me?”
“a little”
“why?”
“i don’t know”
“you know, sometimes when i look at you i see a little girl, and sometimes i see a woman”.
“what do you see now?”
“i see a scared little girl”
“now i am embarrassed and feel stupid”
“don’t be”
“i’m cold”
“we can go in the jacuzzi”…
“ok…”
“now are you a girl or a woman?”
“i’m a woman”
once in the jacuzzi, which by some “miracle” was already running, a tit fondle and a digit in her moist pussy induced the ever popular “ya hochu tebya” and it was off to the races. not wanting to disappoint her in her first jacuzzi encounter and first poke with a foreigner, i gave her the full program and she went off.. i really enjoyed watching her eyes roll back into her head and listening to her moan incomprehensible phrases in russian… a most satisfying poke.
a brief dip in the jacuzzi and i kick her out back to grandma, and call up the little one, who seemed so eager the night previous. regrettably the little one is at home and her mom won’t let her out… she says had she known it was my last night out we could have met somehow. perhaps a tactical error on my part, but i didn’t know how long the sveta encounter would last. so we exchange a few nice words on the phone before i redress to go to 111.
i briefly considered going to rp which has cheap entrance on tuesday night, meaning loads of dyevs, but instead elected to go to 111, which had gotten rave reviews from rm.
in the meantime rm had been texting me that he was making progress with tanya big tits, the sexy chick we had met at some provincial disco two days previous. on that fateful saturday, we had actually met adriana little tits first, whom i chatted up and figured i had a good chance with… young, no tits, average face, cheap clothes…what could go wrong? unfortunately adriana seemed to know everybody in the club and was uninterested in some foreign guy, so she unceremoniously rejected me, even as rm made headway with tanya big tits.
anyway on this particular tuesday night, we agree that if rm is making progress he has the flat to himself for awhile and i am going to 111.
at 111 i am instantly hit on by a girl. a cute face and good body, she somehow annoys me though and although i maintain some interest and note her as an emergency option, i don’t commit, as the night is young. she has really latched on though. thankfully spikey blonde shows up. as she walks by i reach out and grab her, we hit it off instantly. she is obviously very interested. at some point i am standing next to the bar eyeing a redhead across the way straddled on either side by annoying girl and spikey blonde when annoying girl asks me:
“do you have any plans tonight?”
i say “no, do you?”
she says “i don’t… but i’m hoping to make some”
at that point spikey blonde asks me to help her with her zipper, warning me to be “gentle”, since she “isn’t wearing any underwear.”
i sense the evening has taken a turn for the better.
annoying girl asks me if i am going to make her fight with spikey blonde for me and i tell annoying girl that i want to talk to spikey blonde. annoying girl reminds me that she is waiting just in case i change my mind. damn, the poor girl must have been really desperate for a fuck!
i observe the club action and note that nearly all of the expats there are getting way too drunk to score. i think they might have had a chance, but now they barely able to stand, including 3 french guys who end up crawling up the stairs.
there are still some cute chicks available, but i am totally into spikey blonde now, she is a lot of fun and really a good flirt. i have long since made my decision. several drinks later we leave the club, stopping at the supermarket to get some seafood and drinks and stopping at her apartment to pick up her school bags for the next morning.
back at the pad, we cook a huge meal and literally destroy the kitchen, the cleaning lady will hate me. spikey blonde shows me some pictures of her as a teen model in odessa, she used to have long brown hair. she looked damn good. i maneuver spikey blonde towards the bedroom, as i am getting tired and want to still give a good performance, she briefly gets cold feet but quickly succumbs to my (very genuine) affection.
spikey blonde turns out to be an amazing fuck, i really should have tapped that earlier. her pussy is shaved absolutely bare and after some initial tightness getting in, she became wetter than any girl i’ve ever had recently, actually ever if memory serves. after a few minutes of poking there was literally a huge wet spot on the bed and the juices were flowing down her legs with such intensity that i initially thought she had just gotten her period. but no, it is merely pussy juice.. like a liter of it! she is quite vocal and tells me to hurry up, she is coming too often and it is too intense. i should have recognized the chemistry that existed between us since day 1 and went for it earlier. oh well. i end up finsihing in her mouth, which has become somewhat of a kiev tradition.
finally sometime in the morning we stop boning. regreattbly tanya big tits is gone already, but rm is there with a coy smile on his face. at first spikey blonde is shy about seeing rm, but i convince her it is all ok.
shortly thereafter, we all go downstairs together and part company, rm and i head to the airport.
in retrospect, i am sure that we missed a lot of opportunities and commited some tactical errors. nonetheless, i had a great time and despite the annoying revolution, still managed to enjoy kiev nightlife to its fullest. i’ll be back soon enough, but first i am going to wait out the political situation.
if you’ve got kiev on your schedule in the near future, the airports are still open and so are the clubs. things are slow right now, there is no denying it. the girls seem quite cautious as well, and the worry of politics isn’t exactly an aphrodisiac, but with some work and luck you’ll still get where you want to go. and if not, you can just pay for it…
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Some Quick Thoughts on Wingmen
I've got a couple of PMs asking about wingmen - is it better with or without etc ... I guess it depends entirely on your wingman. Personally I prefer hanging out in bars and working that angle, and to do that is easier if you are with someone. Hanging out in bar solo is like having "desperado" tattooed on your forehead. But as a pair it works much better.
Skank and I worked particular well together. We have teamed up a couple of times in Moscow in the past for single evenings - always with good results, but this was the first major double bill. There are probably 3 main reasons for the successful partnership.
(1) we have different tastes in women. He prefers the petite look, and has a tendency to end up with brunettes or redheads. He also has no issues with curly hair. I prefer the tall blonde look and dont do curly hair - straight blonde hair all the way for me.
(2) we offer something different to women. This way they are going to be clear about what guy they want (Shy Olga was a bit confused but that is the exception). Skank is more the youthful trendy look while I am more the suit look. The birds we end up in Moscow as a result as for him typically 18-22, young and living at home whereas mine are typically 22-27, with their own car and apartment.
(3) we have the same perspective on mongering. We dont try and compete for the same chicks. Both of us prefer to hang out in bars and pick up freebies and show them a genuinely good time, with only the rare foray into the p4p world. There is no point going mongering with a guy who wants to be at river palace or phoning GIA every night if you want to be at 111 Cocktail bar.
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Looking for other Mongers in Kiev
I'll be in Ukraine on Business next week and for part of Jan. I'd love to hook up with other mongers in Ukraine. PM me privately
Toronto Guy
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Take plenty cash!!!!
I was working in Kiev last week and due to the current political instability, many ATM machines and also shop retailers/restaurants and hotels would not accept foreign credit cards as payment.
Even half way through my stay, my hotel would not accept credit card payment. So do check with the retailer/shop before you make a purchase. The ATM in Raiffeisen Bank near Zhylians'ka 43 just off Independence Square would allow me to withdraw cash.
One of the reasons for this is that the national bank system will not pay retailers any credit card payments for 28 days. This is to help stabilise the economy.
Cheers Tony70
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Moscow vs. Kiev, my apologies in advance
Moscow vs. Kiev
The inevitable (eternal) question.
Maybe it is a inane comparison as yes, they are both two completely different cities that defy comparison… and yes, it is like comparing apples and oranges… Moscow is a world-class chew-you-up-and-spit-you-out Megapolis… Kiev an overgrown yet grotesquely pleasant village.
Yet despite the fact that comparing them inevitably polarizes the respective Kiev and Moscow boards into entertaining bouts of futile monger patriotism in the names of lands they require a visa just to be allowed to visit, we do love comparing them, because many a much-anticipated mongering trip boils down to that provocative question: “do I go to Kiev, or do I go to Moscow? “
Before I am happily banished back to the Russia board by the Ukraine board’s patron saints, here my brief analysis based on my visits there. I am not a Kiev expert as I am sure those Kiev experts on this board will spare no length to point out, but I have been there often enough to at least present things from my novice perspective, which may be of interest to those who have yet to visit and just like me, do not yet already “know everything”. It’s all an educational process as far as I’m concerned, and I do enjoy going to school with all of you.
1) Relative beauty of the girls/women:
Both cities abound with beauties who are, for those not familiar with Slavic women, incredibly varied in size, shape, skin color, hair color, complexion, body type etc etc. This is in itself one of the great things about the now defunct USSR... they spread the wealth on exotic (from our perspective at least) beauty exceedingly well. Now with the regions surrounding Moscow and Kiev continuing to fall apart, the two cities draw their respective country's wealth of beauty into them as well. Pretty, smart girls and often pretty dumb girls as well seek their fortune in the big city. If anything, this phenomenon is more extreme in Moscow than in Kiev. As far as which city offers the most beauty, this is really a toss up and a matter of taste. You won't go wrong in either place. For my money's worth Moscow offers more variety than Kiev and I have definitely seen more beautiful women in Moscow than in Kiev... but I've also been to Moscow much more often. Either way, provided this annoying revolution finds a conclusion soon, either city will offer you a lot of eye candy, some of it even lickable.
I give this one a “Draw”, the verdict is still out on this. Right now however, the revolution is definitely keeping Kiev's beauty under wraps. Hope they reappear soon. And damn, I can’t wait for Spring when the dyevs air out their snatches in mini-skirt season.
2) Cost of visit:
Moscow is definitely more expensive than Kiev. It doesn't have to be unbearably so, but it is. If an apartment costs $70 in Kiev, it costs $100+ in Moscow. If a cocktail costs $5 in Kiev, it costs $9 in Moscow. Your running costs in Moscow will be at least 30% higher than in Kiev, if not more. A lot of this depends on your lifestyle, but to find the hottest chicks in Moscow, you’ll have to exercise some lifestyle. They adore it.
Kiev wins hands down.
3) Clubs:
Moscow blows Kiev away in the sheer number and relative quality of clubs. None of the mainstream or even so-called "good" clubs I visited in Kiev would even make a dent in the Moscow scene... in fact most of the clubs visited reminded me of clubs in the Moscow Oblast or somewhere out in Himki. Hell, some of them even had day-glo fluorescent decorations on the walls. Caribbean Club, supposedly a good place, was a fucking dive, as was Chaikovsky. A couple of the “elite” clubs in Kiev could hold their own in Moscow, but there really is no comparison in terms of overall clubbing venues. At least not from what I saw. This is probably due to the sheer amount of loose cash in Moscow that needs to be laundered. It is not uncommon for club owners in Moscow, whose sponsors are involved in obscure cash-producing endeavours, to drop a million bucks into an elite club... and yes, you do see the difference. Does this really matter? Not really I suppose. Kiev’s dyevs are going to go somewhere, day-glo decor or not. Still, in this category…
Moscow wins hands down.
4) Pro action in pickup bars
River Palace is more Night Flight than Chesterfields (D&M Boarhouse) in terms of ambience and physical quality of girls, with ModaBar somewhere in between. I don't have enough experience in Kiev to make any sort of definitive judgement on my part, but I liked RP's layout... yet wasn't ultra happy with the women. I scored one very "villing" girl there for $100... and a day later only met ultra-bi-aches who wanted $200 for the time of day. This can happen at CF too I suppose, and at NF you know you aren't escaping for less than $200... but when going there you know the score. At RP, it was schizophrenic. Recently I haven't found any good alternative pickup bars in Moscow, aside from the pricey Metalitsa/casino variety... but I personally still give Moscow a slight edge for a variety of venues and Kiev an edge for affordable high quality available at RP...provided you get there on a night when the biach factor is low. In the end it is a draw as for the normal monger there is really no difference whether you go to River Palace/CF/ModaBar or NF.... maybe a slightly different pricetag... that's all.
Draw.
5) Pro action via internet/agencies
I didn't do this and can't comment, sorry. However I was getting quoted $50/hour, $70 2 hours, $150 night. I personally just don’t like call in. Probably Moscow has the edge since the scene is much more expansive there, but I decline any judgement on my part.
6) Crime and militia hassles
Relative crime is low in both cities, this shouldn't be a real concern. The Moscow militia are much more of a hassle than the Kiev sort however, who are generally uninterested in hassling foreigners.
Kiev wins by default.
7) Picking up non-pro women
Certainly Moscow women are more sophisticated and cosmopolitan than the Kiev variety, but this doesn’t necessarily mean that Moscow women prefer sleeping alone. I think a big factor in both places, but probably even more so in Moscow, is the return on vaginal investment factor. If the Moscow bird thinks you’ll be a frequent return visitor or even live in Moscow at some point, she’s much more likely to spread than if she thinks you're another star-struck expat on his semi-annual trip to Nirvana. There are numerous approaches to this aspect of the game and obviously not every monger is willing to play… there is definitely something to be said for those short-term visitors concentrating entirely on the pro-angle where return on investment, both in terms of time and money, is much more clearly defined… however for those so inclined, it is an addiction you’ll be happy to suffer from. And going cold turkey, i.e. back to the World, is brutal. I have yet to determine any real difference in ease of scoring freebies between the two cities. Supposedly the “real” action is outside of the big cities, where the “exotic factor” of expats (or is the “desperation factor” of the local female populace?) is considerably higher, however for many this is not really a viable option. My experience in this regard does seem to confirm that, at least in part, it is easier to score above your league in the regions. As for Moscow vs. Kiev and the relative ease of getting laid there, I'm happily conducting research on the subject and will continue to do so...
Draw.
8) tochka, street scene
Exists in Moscow but is worsening, both in terms of quality and price. Kiev’s street scene is very skanky. Still, in this category
Moscow wins for maintaining this still (sometimes barely) viable option.
9) Infrastructure, transport and airports
Getting in and out of Kiev is much easier than Moscow. Generally speaking, the main Russian airport of Sheremetyvo is a catastrophe... you'll be uttering "pizdets" as soon as you see the lines waiting at passport control. I always go green line in either country, don't declare a damn thing and spend all my money before leaving and everybody's happy. Public transport in form of the metro works well in either city. Unless you speak Russian, I'd avoid using buses or trams... you'll get lost in the middle of nowhere. Taxis are getting more expensive in either country due to the fuel price hike. In Moscow "gypsy" taxis are the rule, in Kiev normal taxis are more prominent and affordable. Moscow’s second major international airport Domodedevo is really quite nice (relatively speaking), however most international and especially intercontinental flights crash land at Sher, so due to ease of getting around and especially due to the airport, I give Kiev a slight edge.
Kiev wins.
10) Restaurants
Moscow easily defeats Kiev in terms of variety and quality. Kiev is cheaper though, so if this isn't important for you then you'll save some cash there.
As an example, they are just now discovering sushi in Kiev, which has been pre-dominant as the dyev food of choice in Moscow for years. During a recent date with two self-proclaimed modern girls in Kiev they both had their first taste of sushi with RM and me... it wasn't bad sushi, but of course their borsch-poisoned palates hated it. Provincial bumpkins! But then again, there is something to be said for provincial bumpkins as well... they are easily impressed and hopelessly naive. Daisy Duke, we love ya. Kiev is improving fast and will soon more or less catch up I’m certain, but in any case, if restaurants factor into your sphere of interest, then for the time being
Moscow beats Kiev hands down.
11) Tourist shit to do:
I don’t know, I never get around to it.
Final tally:
I lost count, but I think it ended as a draw. So that means keep playing, right?
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limits of comparison
I wish you had the opportunity to perceive the endless limitless underground night action before deciding to compare to any other city..
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Kyiv and Moscow
V-Mars:
I don't doubt Kiev's potential nor question it's uniqueness, I am merely comparing the two cities from my perspective ( as you often do from yours)... my perspective being one not unlike that of many who will visit both cities... even as unfair or even inane the comparison may seem, it is an inevitable one and not uninteresting...
Nonetheless, I shall be embarking on a more extensive campaign to explore the city in earnest.
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Dr Skank,
Thanks for the comparative, it's very informative and quite objective. Surely a big help for WSG members considering to visit Moscow or Kiev. I only come occasionally to Kiev, but can confirm I got the same perception as you (rightly or wrongly, that's not the point ;))
Great post, surely not an uninteresting one, far from that! And certainly a helpful one. Thanks again.
Jim
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Kiev Vs Moscow
Dr Skank,
Great comparison. Just to add to it a bit.
Tourist shit to do. Definatly Moscow, Kremlin, Pushkin, ect.
Friendlest city. Hands down Kiev. Even if you only speak a dozen words of Russian the Kiev people will welcome you while Moscow and the people are like New York.
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GIA Apartments
I just did a forum search on the GIA posts and didn't find anything mentioned about their apartments. It seems that most guys have been relatively happy with their escort service - has anybody used them for apartments or other services? Thanks.
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Doc,
Вам спасибо for your detailed comparison of the two cities, based on your extensive experience in both.
I agree with you completely, we should all try BOTH of them!
I would be willing to bet you a bright shiny new kopeck, however, that many of the beautiful women you meet in Mockba are really Ukrainian!
счастливо,
Stravinsky
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Looking to hook up with wsg mongers in Kyiv
I'll be in Kyiv Dec 19th for about a month & I'd love to hook up with other wsg mongers for a night out on the towm
Please PM me
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"hunting in pair" in Ukraine ?
Hi you all !
I am looking for a fellow monger for "hunting in pair" in Belarus or Ukraine from Xmas time till approx. 01/10/2005.
Ideal age : 28-40y. , an "active" attitude would be required.
If interested write please to :
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Thanks,
Marcel
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Ukrainian girls in Moscow
Strav,
The Ukrainian girls I've "met" in Moscow all worked in the tochki.... the bottom of the p4p food chain. They were generally spirited quality performers and made up for what they lacked in physical beauty with an energetic performance.
Almost all of the CF and NF pros, as well as the freebies I've met in Moscow are Russian, the majority of them from Moscow or Moscow Oblast with a sprinkling of Uzebkis and assorted other pleasant oddities mixed in for variety.
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Poisoned?
I just saw on CNN that Yusenkov(sp?) was poisoned. Is he dead? Is all this crap gonna boil over and cause civil unrest to the point of violence? Being married to a Ukrainian I can tell you the country is not adverse to heavy handed attitudes from the top to the bottom.
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John,
He is not dead (well not yet anyway). He was poisoned in September, as it seems with dioxine. And yes, lets hope he stays alive.
Living in Kiev I sure hope this whole thing blows over without any violence very very soon so we can get back to everything that is so sweet here in Candyland. Heck, just a week ago all my princesses where out to demonstrate and I had to spend the evening alone. This has to stop soon.
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Old Story
Quacker.
You just heard?
That's how slow, (or maybe supressed?), the western press is.
That poisoning story wast the front page of Kiev Post
when it happened in September, but here they report it like
its the latest news item.
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MM,
It was also in the western press in September. It is a topic now because an Austrian clinic just made public the poison used was dioxine.
As always with the deepest regards,
Wolff
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Gia Apartments
Dear Jak
I've used once a Gia apartment and thre where no problem at all it looked exactly like the pictures, I'll use more in Spring.
Remember to e-mail they every thing and (important) phone them also the day before You get there for meeting (at the airport, station or some where else). You will pay cash in advance when you are already in the flat, the normally ask for a deposit for the keys. The phone (local and local handys) is included and int'l calls are barred. So use a 800 no if possible.
Surely they will get to you with a driver/porter a well speaking interpreter (usually a beautiful girl) and some "fresh meat for the evening" if you need it. All their apts are well based in centrum or very near (walking distance).
I've been in one on Proreznaya st. 100 m from Khrshatik.
IT Travel
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Gia Apartments
IT Travel - Thanks for the information.
I want to use a reliable service. I'm looking at going to Kiev in the spring for a week to scope the place out. Since Slavic women are my favorites, I'm hoping I'll like it enough to do a month this summer. I haven't seen offerings for a month with a substantial discount in Russia or Ukraine like I have found easily enough in B.A. or Rio. There is a good apartment web-site that seems to be established and offering substantial discounts for monthly stays - [url]www.apartment-kiev.com[/url]. I don't know if anyone has ever used them, but I'll e-mail Gia and see if they are open to the same idea. Ideally, I'd like to spend a week in the same apartment that I'd be living in for a month - a month can be a long time in a crappy apartment/situation.
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Hey IT Boy!
Oh yes, flat on ulitza Proreznaya, once I there before fuk slutz in that street!
Its good!
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Gia...
Does anyone have the url for gia or any other escort websites bases in Kiev?
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www.gia.com.ua
You'll find the site at the above address.
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Internet for Guys in Kiev
I’ve been in Kiev several times, both staying in Hotels and in Apartment.
I would like to write a little bit on Internet possibilities and what I’ve tried.
I just try to answer public to some private mail I got.
First of all you have the well known Gia
[url]www.gia.com.ua[/url]
Very easy to use, very friendly… I rented apartments and girls.
A funny thing is that you must always phone a couple of days before (English spoken) on ground they want a verbal confirmation.
I forgot this detail so we had some problems but the solved and found an apartment. The funny went on when they came at the meeting (driver, interpreter) with a teenager who seemed like a nymphomaniac blond tall, not a stunner, sitting with me on the rear seat and trying to be interesting, but I was very tired and I had other plans.
The girls at Gia are nice (not stunners) and are like in photos, of course the do not have that make-up.
Of the girl they have now Diana is interesting on ground she is a little fucking machine and allow CIM and COF… but I’ve no pictures. Also Vladislava is good but se do not allow BBBJ (a good fuck in any case). Only some go for Anal.
Once I made a deal, but the I could not leave to Kiev form Moscow where I was, for a weekend with Polina and another teen with same figure slim and tall: every thing was included also Anal and, best of all cum sharing and photographing. Some thing around 800 Euros.
If you guys have problems with Russian you can use [url]www.translate.ru[/url]
Then clicking on the English flag, and then on web translating, it works very good.
[url]http://impresario.narod.ru/hostes.htm[/url]
The price seems normal for agency (freelancers are lower) but never tried
[url]http://www.uaescort.com/ads/index.php?ct=kiev[/url]
You get in here from [url]http://www.kievsex.com/ads/[/url] clicking on UaEscort
Here I found some girls by the way the one you see in the first and second photo. A real stunner, but a log of wood in bed! She has been playmate on Playboy Ukraina and now she is on a reporting site where the photo comes from (it was one of the identical photos she had on this site).
But still on UA Escort, half of the photos are fake, the others real, the problem is understand which. The more “naif” are surely true.
You can find Diana here:
[url]http://www.virgintravelguide.com/dianaukraine.htm[/url] (sex travel related site) and se is still in business, hoping she became better sexually…
She is exactly as in pictures.
On [url]www.kievsex.com[/url] you can also find (using the translator) a lot of strip bars and saunas where normally girls are available for the night.
Really strange found here is a special sex shop:
Sex-shop NASOLODA. Street. Mezhigorskaja 10 (Metro Counterassembly), 416 0370, 462 5023. Where you will find lots of toys, lap dance (also private with sex), and most fun, if I understood right, an “intim” hairdresser!
[url]http://kievdosug.boom.ru./photos.htm[/url]
Erotic massage salon in town English is spoken, I think same owner as Gia
[url]http://www.bagira.net.ua/[/url]
Another massage site
[url]http://www.n.kiev.ua/erotic_massage/[/url]
Body massage
[url]http://travelsexguide.tv/main_nation4.htm[/url]
Good resource on Ukraine, but some links are dead!
[url]http://www.escortkiev.de.vu/[/url]
You can join and find freebies (around 20) some not bad… also mistress and girls searching couples.
[url]http://prosex.com.ua/[/url]
Lots of info (using translator) on saunas, massage and so on
The you can go to announcements and get easy acquaintances via e mail or phone some has only e-mail but others also phone.
Some with links.
Sometime very slow, but lots of teens.
[url]http://intim.com.ua/index.php[/url]
Some freelancers with pictures, you can even print their visit card with photo and phone!
But just few.
[url]http://www.n.kiev.ua/[/url]
All the Kiev night clubs, including the famous Rest Town and River Palace… with opinions (in Russian)
[url]http://www.exclusive-ukraine.tk/[/url]
Expensive classy girls, from 340 USD night and 400 USD 24 hours
If the girls are as in pictures it’s worth the money…
[url]http://www.kievbeauties.kiev.ua/[/url]
Another exclusive, but needs password
[url]http://www.ukraine-kontakt.de/[/url]
A German (in German) interesting site…
Go directly to: [url]http://www.ukraine-kontakt.de/Nachtleben4.htm[/url]
And you will find girls of all types. Don’t know is photos are real but I suppose so.
Some are in facts models (have been) and now at 21 or 22 are to old for modelling for teen sites.
[url]http://escortmodels-kiev.by.ru/[/url]
Some girls, no telephone, only e-mail
[url]www.escortkiev.de.vu[/url]
Need to register, but complicated and slow, no access to telephones!
Here some of my experiences (photo are not mine)
Foto 1 and 2 is Diana, the former Playmate.
Foto 3 is Vlada from Gia (older picture not on line today)
Foto 4 is Diana from Gia (foto from site on line today): good if you like petites 22 y.o. and 1,58 cm.
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Agencies in Kiev from Kiev Post
I just scanned some advertising from Kiev Post in case you don'find it.
15 agencies.
But pay attention not every one has 24 h service, so they may not be a solution if you did not find what you like in the town and phone them at 3 am!
Nice hunt
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IT Travel,
Excellent posts, very informative!!!! I guess you had a good time. ;)
Just a question, out of curiosity. I have been with Diana from Gia a few weeks ago. Nice girl indeed, but she didn't want to kiss although Gia told me in their email that she does. Did she with you, or was it just me? No big deal, but I'm just curious. :D
Just to add a good agency to your impressive list : [url]http://www.starsfromheaven.co.uk/[/url].
More expensive than Gia, but excellent services. I have never been disappointed with them. I have seen Olya a few weeks ago, and she's worth every cent.
Jim
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Starsfromheaven
GJ,
So tell us about Olya, inquiring minds want to know...
Took a look at starsfromheaven. Way beyond my price range. It may be worthwhile for you guys with Euros to spend, but I'm just a poor American with nothing but Dollars.
Stravinsky
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Olya from Stars From Heaven
Hi Strav,
Olya is a sweetheart, with a nice and gentle personality. I met her just one week after she joined Stars from Heaven, so she was quite fresh and eager to please.
From a "services" viewpoint, she does everything except anal: DFK passionately, BBBJ with CIM, fingering, taking any position you're fancy. No getting impatient and working hard.
More important for me is her personality, and she has these little "extra touches" that makes you feel comfortable. Snuggling up in your arms after the "event", closing her eyes, giving you gentle kisses and humming away a Russian lullaby, then giving you a massage (although she needs some practice here). Asking you for permission to smoke, and going to brush her teeth before restarting action. Giving you a big hug when she leaves and thanking you for the good time, even though you know damn well that she's already forgotten your name before you close the door.
As I'm quite old now and also drank a lot of beers, I had difficulties for round 2 and she's not getting impatient. To the contrary, she was worried and tried harder. When I told her to stop because I think it's hopeless, she thought it was because time is over and told me it's not a problem, she will leave only after I finished. A real professional in the good meanings of the word.
She doesn't speak much English, but that's not a problem for you, does it ? ;) She doesn't make up stories as, when we touched private issues, she just said "I'm sorry, but if you don't mind, I'd rather not talk about my private life". Then put up a big smile and jump on you for some cuddles.
In summary, I would for sure see her again, if she's still working upon my next visit to Kiev. I must also say that all the girls I've seen so far at SFH have similar attitude. At 200 euros for 4 hours, it's expensive for Kiev but still a good price. Some other girls at SFH are more expensive, and I wouldn't be surprised if her price also increases in the future (this already happened for Lida, another nice girl, so maybe I shouldn't write too good reviews...:D).
Jim
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GJ,
Thanks for the info on Olya. Sounds like you were lucky to meet her during her first week on the job. You are probably right, her price will go up, but, then again, there will always be another one to take her place. As usual, price is more a measure of the girl's attitude than the service.
MM,
starsfromheaven is strictly for myezhdoonarodni mongers. They even say on their website that it cannot be accessed from within the Ukraine. So naturally, you can't compare their prices to what a local guy would pay.
Judging from the pictures posted on the site, you can't compare these dyefki to the Mockba tochka ho's either, in terms of quality. Which is always the big question I have, when I see a site like this, namely, "Are they for real?".
Now that we have first hand confirmation from GJ, the prices may be worthwhile. My problem is, at today's exchange rate, it would cost me 300 USD to buy 200 Euro. Do that twice a day for a week and it tends to add up real fast.
счастливо,
Stravinsky
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really true..
All the girls from SFH are either models or ex-models,so it's not surprising that they look even better than their pictures in reality..
The trick is the first time meeting and if you're lucky enough it may turn out to be a real adventure for almost free.
I still meet a stunning former girl of the agency from time to time here and there....
You'll not lose anything by just trying once..
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Vegamars,
I'm really envious to hear that you manage to continue seeing a former SFH stunner for almost free. What's her name? Well, ...., giving it further thoughts, ... don't tell me!!! :D I'll be dead jealous if she's a certain girl I saw before, who stopped working for SFH and whom I'm still dreaming about night after night. :o
Well done anyway!
Strav,
You're right, SFH web site is not accessible from within the Ukraine, so you better save their web page on your laptop before going there. Last time, I initially booked Julia, but she had a last minute problem and the meeting was cancelled. They gave me name of other girls available but I just couldn't check how they look like as I couldn't access their web site from Kiev. Fortunately, I remembered Olya because she was put on their site just a week before I came.
Gia is also a good agency, with lower prices (they have even reduced their price for Xmas-New Year and 10 hrs is only 180 USD). I have always been happy with Gia too, as well as many other WSG members. I don't want to sound negative about Diana. She's a nice girl too, well worth the money, and maybe (most probably) it was just me because information given for others girls are quite accurate (for example, they do state that Vladislava doesn't do BBBJ, that another girl doesn't kiss, etc...).
Jim
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MM,
Na-ROAD-ni is the Russian word for "people", as in people of a nation. Myezh-doo-na-ROAD-ni (literally "between people" or "between nations") is the Russian word for "international".
Sos-tai-ya-TYEL-ni means "well to do" or "well off". Ba-GAHT-i means "rich", as in lots of money.
So a sos-tai-ya-TYEL-ni, myezh-doo-na-ROAD-ni toor-ist is every oo-KRAIN-ka's (Ukrainian girl) dream (well, most of them, anyway).
Stravinsky
PS Jackson, where is our Russian language phrase thread???!!!%&@&*
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Sfh
They will email you pictures of other girls while you are in Ukraine to solve the probelm of not being able to access their site. One of their girls told me this is so that their families will not see them. She actually said that the majority of their business is Ukrainians, not foreigners. Her picture was not terribly accurate but the service was quite good in my one experience with them.
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not exactly..
The top agencies like kievescort and starsfromheaven are dealing only with foreigners and it's not so difficult to reach their websites within Ukraine..
They all make a natural selection and they might refuse you depending on your attitude...
That's why you might hear the common expression that their girls cannot meet you in Kiev or another city in Ukraine..
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How About EXACTLY, for a change...
Vega, I'm back, you lucky fellow. I've been back home for a long term assignment and was not much concerned with Ukraine or Kiev during that time. Bad me. I have just returned to Kiev and while this is not the long term the past job was, it will be frequent enough.
Lots more BS and misleading information from you such as the above post.
First off, kievescort, if you have been able to try their site for about the last nine months has been taken off permanently as is the agency name. In fact, it is now Kiev Beauties [url]www.kievbeauties.kiev.ua[/url]
Most of the ladies are the same ones from kievescort. It would be nice for you to mention this but we know that this should be in our minds at all times. Somehow we have to understand this and know this without any help from you. You can reach their site from anywhere, including Kiev. I just did.
Stars from Heaven and Odessa Escort are another story. Ukrainian IP addresses ARE blocked from reaching these two sites. I have tried many ways and failed.
Since you say it is not so difficult to reach their site from within Ukraine, perhaps you might be helpful and tell the rest of us just how we do that?
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what's the purpose of coming back??
You know pretty well that my ultimate aim is to make up fairy tales and to mislead all based on raised expectations..
I wonder why you have had to return to hell from the paradise of UK??
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Same old, same old..
As usual, Vega you will never answer a direct request since you once again have been "outed." The only truth is your first sentence.
I never said Kiev was hell but that is maybe your opinion of the place not mine. I have always had a great time here and will continue to do so. The loveliest and some of the most accomodating ladies on the planet, at least for me. Besides, someone has to also tell folks just what is actually going on here, don't they? I try and stay away from fairy tales.
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Fairy Tales?
How appropriate!
Really though, the fact is that no one has ever backed up
anything you've ever posted, not even once. Ever.
Oh yeah, lots of monger-posers proclaim their envy and admiration
of your super natural seduction powers, but bending spoons with
your giant encephalitic butt-cheek forehead only qualifies you to be
their guru of the hour.
And at the end of the day, when it all comes down, you're exposed
as nothing more than a sappy website promoting hack with a keen knack
for boring us. So thanks for the memories, our dear Mr. Fantasy.
Tell us your tales, make us feel numb, play out your head game.
Just keep it snappy!
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just keep on pretending to hear stories..
Yeah that's right,just go on considering fairy tales to feel better and I'll be on my way for distinct adventures..
Meanwhile, so many wise guys have taken advantage of the concrete tips....
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Separating fact from pure fiction
Vega,
Yes, your adventures are very distinct but they exist only in your fantasies. It seems that every lady in Ukraine, Russia, Moldova, and even in Turkey, wants to rip your clothes off and pay you for the privilege of going to bed with you.
Your posts are either nonsensical and useless or are so full of inaccuracies as to be truly misleading.
The rest of us live in this world where we actually pay the ladies for the privilege of spending time with us!
Your penchant for wild fairy tales is only exceeded by your ego. I can only say your so-called tips are not made of concrete but much closer to mud.
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ATMs / Cash Machines / Bankomats
Are ATMs working for foreign cards at the moment in Kiev?
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ATMs
Roger Mellie,
Yes they are.
I have been using ATMs since late December with no problems and all I have are non-Ukrainian cards.
You just have to be careful that the machine is legitimate and not one of the scam ones. See my posting in the General Info section.
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info & help
Hi,
I plan to go to Kiev next month. With informations given in this board i have now a whole idea of what i can expect there( especially the lastest one of IT Travel).
I have already some contacts with nice girls from Kiev. But as i want to secure my trip i have contacted some escorts agencies.
i will contact Gia before reaching kiev-as many of you were pleased with them i will obviously take one girl-
exclusive-ukraine --> no answer
[url]http://escortmodels-kiev.by.ru/[/url] --> price: Escort: 1 girl 300 $ \ 12 hour, 100 $ in one hour or 150$ in 2 hour.
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[url]http://www.starsfromheaven.co.uk/[/url] --> i think that 300e for 4 hours is a bit expensive(even if Olya is an angel!) so i contact the next one :
[url]http://www.escort.odessa.ua[/url] ->the manager, yiuri, a nice guy, asked me to send 45e to book a model, by western union.Does anybody know this agency, and more , about the girls?
MR
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Agency Comments
MR,
Some quick comments about the agencies in your post.
Exclusive Ukraine seems to be a superslick site and Escort Models comes in at the other end of the spectrum as a very bad site. The real problem with both sites is that there is no local contact phone number. I would not use any agency that did not have a local number. Also, I really don't believe that any of the ladies on these two sites actually are available.
It really is important that someone be available by telephone to take requests for services at most times of the day. If all they have is an email, look for someone else and fast.
Stars from Heaven and Odessa Escort are two agencies that send their ladies on Western European "tours" so they do have phone numbers. More importantly, they also have reputations of some sort to uphold. You really won't go wrong with either one.
However, there is no reason to send any money to Odessa Escort. I would think that once you got here and then called them, they would be happy to send someone over to meet with you anyway. If not, they are not worth the time or the money. Use the money to call another Gia girl.
I can see the need for a deposit if you are asking for a lady to come to visit you in the West but not if you are headed here.
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Great informational website
[url]www.agencyscams.com[/url] is a great sight which lists many women who are scammers for money. These women usually put themselves on dating sites with the hopes of men sending them money. You can search for a woman by email or name. It is a great source of information and has saved me alot of time when first meeting a woman.
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This Weekend
Anyone going to be in Kiev this weekend or next and want to party and chase some women? PM me.
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Kiev Apartments...
I've been looking over what is out there on the net for apartments since I'm going to be in Kiev shortly. All I have to say is...Aren't there any gay Ukrianian men in Kiev? Someone over there needs to learn how to decorate.
I was thinking for going with GIA. But I'm meeting a few non p4p girls and if they somehow made the connection it might be more then a tab bit hard to explain. ;)
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Dyevs in Kiev
As a follow up to Skanks and my semi-depressing posts about love in the time of the orange revolution (see early Dec 04), I am pleased to say that Kievan dyevs are rapidly returning to their promiscuous best.