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"You truly visiting the finest area with the finest and most honest women in the western hemisphere and with the cleanist and most modern city in all of the americas. Oh I forgot how beautiful Avenida Central is, especially when comparing it to Cartagena and Rio. Maybe we should send the mayors of NY,LA, Chicago and Miami, to study san jose's outstanding infrastructure and urban planning."
You must be stoned.
dapanz1
"Maybe we should send the mayors of NY, LA, Chicago and Miami, to study San Jose's outstanding infrastructure and urban planning."
You must be stoned.
dapanz1
[QUOTE=Dapanz 1]"Maybe we should send the mayors of NY, LA, Chicago and Miami, to study San Jose's outstanding infrastructure and urban planning."
You must be stoned.
dapanz1[/QUOTE]
dapanz
It is parody........
We both know San Jose is a shithole........
Maybe we should send the mayors of NY, LA, Chicago and Miami, to study Cartagena's and Rio's outstanding record on violent crime and pickpocketing. Every place has its pluses and minuses and no place is perfect. SJ is a bit of a pit but compared to nearly every other Central American capital it is positively civilized and as others have already pointed out. Most of the million plus tourists that go to CR each year don't go for attractions in SJ (except perhaps for perverts like us) but they do go for the multitude of attractions in the nearby countryside much of which can be visited in day trips from SJ (that is assuming you can venture outside of the artificially self-imposed confines of the HDR/BM or the marginally less limited Gringo Gulch).
[QUOTE=Chase Star]Maybe we should send the mayors of NY, LA, Chicago and Miami, to study Coartagena's and Rio's outstanding record on violent crime and pickpocketing. Every place has its pluses and minuses and no place is perfect. SJ is a bit of a pit but compared to nearly every other Central American capital it is positively civilized and as others have already pointed out. Most of the million plus tourists that go to CR each year don't go for attractions in SJ (except perhaps for perverts like us) but they do go for the multitude of attractions in the nearby countryside much of which can be visited in day trips from SJ (that is assuming you can venture outside of the artificially self-imposed confines of the HDR/BM or the marginally less limited Gringo Gulch).[/QUOTE]
I never said Costa Rica was a shithole, only san Jose, I actually like Quepos, Puerto Viejo and tamarindo, jaco is so-so.
Cartagena has very little violent crime, especially against tourists. I would rather have the Colombian military patrolling the streets than the cops in san jose. I feel a lot safer in cartagena at night than in San Jose, Also Cartagena is much cleaner.
Also I am willing to bet that all the american cities mentioned above, with maybe the exception of Chicago, have higher homicide rates than CTG
Have to agree with you on Rio, though, things are getting bad in Rio.
After returning from San Jose, I have had some time to reflect on my trip. I must say that I was not overly impressed with the overall monger experience. I have traveled to Rio and the Dominican Republic on several occasions, and the San Jose experience was not on the same level.
I did research the scene before the trip, but I was shocked at the lack of the GEF with the ticas. I was able to get most of the ticas in the Del Rey to except $50 for the hours, but the sex was just going through the motions. The girls seemed to be very cold and not hustling to make their money, unlike the girls from Rio and the Dominican Republic.
As an African American in my 30's clean cut and in great shape, I seemed to feel that the ticas prefered white men. Hey, I may be wronge, but that was what I felt at the time. I also visited several MP's, and the service was so so at best. I did have a great experience at the Sportsmen Lodge. The service was the best that I have experience in my travels.
I don't think that I was visit Costa Rica again anytime soon.
Cartagena is safe because of strict law enforcement to protect the tourism industry there, but you can't really venture beyond Cartagena's city limits to enjoy the Colombian countryside like you can from SJ.
But all of this just misses my point. Which was "what's your point?" So SJ doesn't take any medals in "urban planning", whatever that is supposed to mean. So Avenida Central is not the most "elegant" thoroughfare in Latin America. So there are a lot of touts and hustlers and diesel fumes. Last time I looked there was plenty of those things so in any other developing country capital (in many cases more so) and there is even a fair share of it in your beloved cities as well. And even IF SJ has more than its own share on those measures, who around here goes to CR to admire the architecture in SJ. The fact is that, beyond basic mongering, I find there is far more to do as an easy day trip from SJ (and still make it back for mongering in the evening) than there is in any of the other cities you've mentioned. And, IMHO, that is is a perfectly valid counterargument to those of you who seem to be hung up on the city limits of SJ or even the walls of th HDR/BM. Besides, a "glass-half-empty" perspective, sarcasm and ridicule aimed at other members here ("pasty paunchy bellies") does not add favorably to the discussion.
Put your comments in context of the discussion that lead up to it.
[QUOTE=Member #3831]Is San Jose overrated? I was there for a week and I didn't see one single good looking girl in Blue Marlin. I wouldn't rate any of them higher than 7. Girls at New Fantasy, Eros, Zona Blue were unfuckable for my taste but I found one fine cuttie at Idem and it was an hour of non-stop GFE session for $43. Most of BM girls agreed to $60 but I couldn't degrade myself to fuck these OK looking girls. San Jose is the most boring city I've ever visited.... there are absolutely nothing to do and see in San Jose. Avoid San Jose!" [/QUOTE]Clearly that poster, back from his first short visit to CR (and probably anywhere outside the US form the sound of it) had not bothered to get very far outside the Gulch and yet he somehow thinks that makes him qualified to write-off CR altogether. He went on to say "You need to get out of San Jose to do fun stuff. There's absolutely nothing to do in San Jose" So what's so hard about getting out of the city for the day? Do they have anything like what they have outside of SJ near his city in the US? I doubt it.
As for his evaluation of the chicas, I'll be the first to agree that there are an increasingly large number of dogs plying the BM, but "not ONE SINGLE girl higher than a 7"?!? And calling the major MP girls almost universally "unfuckable" and that he wouldn't "degrade himself" to fuck one of them? What does that comment say about his view of all the rest of us who don't see it as "degrading"? That was incredibly insulting. I'd have to think that either this guy is so stuck-up he never gets laid or is really gay. More likely, what he considers higher standards is really just different tastes (e.g. some guys actually prefer gordos while others like skinny chested waifs). Besides, where else could a guy find an hour of non-stop GFE with a fine cutie north of SJ for $43?
Frankly, I think this guy's real problem is that he was too lazy or ignorant to do his own homework. Any casual review of the photo section here would have given him a clear idea ahead of time of the general level of talent in CR. And yet he was surprised by what he found? Besides, from what I've seen of the pictures in the other sections, SJ has no monopoly on girls that I'd consider dogs. If he had done his homework he'd already have known that the BM is not the place to look for non-hardened chicas and if you do you have to seriously pre-screen. He failed to do that and when he figured out too late he picked a clunker, what does he do? Give her $30 and send her on her way without her having to do a thing. I'd be very surprised if this guy has mongered internationally before much if at all and is the last one to lecture on "how to compare and rate girls"
The next character didn't do much better.[QUOTE=Marak5]My impression of the del ray was also very bad..... Also I am not interested in search around san jose and go to places off the beaten path meant for the locals. Perhaps better women can be found there.... I have been to multiple third worlds, but San Jose seemed to be the most barbaric society out of them all. ....Was only there 2 nights and sick of it by the end. Would not repeat.[/QUOTE]I'm not going to argue with his impression of the Del Rey, but isn't this the same guy who posted this just 6 weeks earlier:[QUOTE=Marak5]Guys, I have to go against conventional wisdom here. I highly recommend just staying in the Del Ray.[/QUOTE]Again, its all about taking responsibility and doing your homework. In this case, this guy knew what the conventional wisdom was and chose to ignore it. Not only that but after staying in the HDR and "highly recommend[ing] just staying in the Del Ray[sic]" he suddenly turns around after 1 negative post 6 weeks later and says the place is "very bad"? Which was it? I'm sorry but he sounds a little schizo on this subject. At least he apparently has more international mongering experience to base his opinion on but his evaluation is based on a incredibly brief one time two day visit to SJ during which if he didn't spend nearly all of his limited time in the HDR he didn't venture off the the most well trodden path where one is most likely to run into the most hardened chicas.
And finally, to complete my critique of his ridiculous post, calling SJ the most barbaric society of multiple 3rd worlds would be blatantly absurd if he just looked around some of those other places he's been. TJ is far worse than SJ on the crime and security front. Colombia is a country fractured by civil war, narco-traffickers, kidnappings and one of the highest murder rates in the western hemisphere. And Rio is renowned for its pickpockets and the crime that goes on in the ramshackle favelas just a few blocks behind the gleaming beachfront buildings.
I'm not trying to trash Rio or any of those other places. In fact, I really like Rio and would go there every weekend if not for the long and expensive flight. However, just as I don't write Rio off because it doesn't stack up on certain measures, others shouldn't write SJ off just because its not perfect in every way.
I agree that SJ is not the shangri la of mongering. There are many other locations with cheaper and better looking girls but I agree 100% with Chase Star. Believe me, I do not mind " degrading myself " spending time with the girls of SJ. With the proximity to the US, the easy & cheap flight schedules, and the prices and availability of mongering activities is the place for me. I have visited Colombia, Venzuela, Dominican Republic, Mexico among others. Have not been able to make it to Brazil or Argentina but for now my playground of choice is SJ.
Happy huntings......
[QUOTE=Braves41]After returning from San Jose, I have had some time to reflect on my trip. I must say that I was not overly impressed with the overall monger experience. I have traveled to Rio and the Dominican Republic on several occasions, and the San Jose experience was not on the same level.
I did research the scene before the trip, but I was shocked at the lack of the GEF with the ticas. I was able to get most of the ticas in the Del Rey to except $50 for the hours, but the sex was just going through the motions. The girls seemed to be very cold and not hustling to make their money, unlike the girls from Rio and the Dominican Republic.
As an African American in my 30's clean cut and in great shape, I seemed to feel that the ticas prefered white men. Hey, I may be wronge, but that was what I felt at the time. I also visited several MP's, and the service was so so at best. I did have a great experience at the Sportsmen Lodge. The service was the best that I have experience in my travels.
I don't think that I was visit Costa Rica again anytime soon.[/QUOTE]
Braves- Most women do not care about white , or black, yellow or brown
They care about Green.........and like Ben Franklin...........
I have been to CR about 8 times, even lived there for a while in the 90's.
Last time I was there was about 2 years ago, and it was my first time visiting the massage parlors, Zona Blue and New Fantasy I think it was called. Loved New Fantasy at the time, they had some super cute and nice girls there. But it closed shortly after that.... and then it was reported here that it re-opened again...
So is New Fantasy open again now? And if so how is it? Is Zona Blue still the more upscale place with best looking girls of the two? How much is Zona Blue these days for an hour?
How is Idem? Still good? Like I say, it's been 2 years since I've been there, and am looking for recent feedback...
Where's the best place to get 2 girls at once for under $100?
Any good cheap little places that aren't too dirty or dangerous?
Okay, enough questions... you get the picture... And you WILL get the picture, when I return from my trip, I will post some in the Photos area! So what's the latest scoop on San Jose mongering?
Oh, I remember a little place called Club Monaco that was like $20 for a room upstairs and I had one fine little Nica there. Is this club still around and decent? How about the little Zona Roja places, 747 etc..?
[QUOTE=Member #3831]Is San Jose overrated? I was there for a week and I didn't see one single good looking girl in Blue Marlin. I wouldn't rate any of them higher than 7. Girls at New Fantasy, Eros, Zona Blue were unfuckable for my taste but I found one fine cuttie at Idem and it was an hour of non-stop GFE session for $43. Most of BM girls agreed to $60 but I couldn't degrade myself to fuck these OK looking girls. On top of that, San Jose is the most boring city I've ever visited. There are quite a few attractive girls on the streets but there are absolutely nothing to do and see in San Jose. Avoid San Jose![/QUOTE]
Either you have very different tastes than most guys I know, or you went on a very off night to these places, or else you are looking for tall thin model types only...?
The Blue Marlin on any given night has what? 100 or so girls? And you're saying that not one good looking girl was in there??? On any given night I could find at least 20 girls that I'd love to spend an hour with in my hotel room, or hell, even take to the beach for a night or two!
As for Zona Blue and New Fantasy, when I was there last I saw about 1 in 5 of the girls at NF who were 8+ and 2 in 5 at ZB that were 8-9+. Most of the rest were at least 6's and 7's.
So, fine, stay out of San Jose' and go to Rio. To each his own. Just watch your wallet and hope you don't get mugged and robbed in Rio, and watch out for the she-males.
Sorry guys, but not impressed with the chicas!
I'm not here to pick fights or to slander your tastes, ok?
But looking through your photos, it seems your picking up some very UN 21/22 year olds?
[QUOTE=Johnny Sax]Either you have very different tastes than most guys I know, or you went on a very off night to these places, or else you are looking for tall thin model types only...?
The Blue Marlin on any given night has what? 100 or so girls? And you're saying that not one good looking girl was in there??? On any given night I could find at least 20 girls that I'd love to spend an hour with in my hotel room, or hell, even take to the beach for a night or two!
As for Zona Blue and New Fantasy, when I was there last I saw about 1 in 5 of the girls at NF who were 8+ and 2 in 5 at ZB that were 8-9+. Most of the rest were at least 6's and 7's.
So, fine, stay out of San Jose' and go to Rio. To each his own. Just watch your wallet and hope you don't get mugged and robbed in Rio, and watch out for the she-males.[/QUOTE]
Take a late night stroll in Parque Morazon and you will see plenty of she-males.
Also if you get mugged in San jose do not expect to get any help from the policia, let alone the people in the streets. They deep down Resent us and despise us. That is my opinion based on living and working in Cr for about a year and visiting CR 12 times in the past. Live there for a while, and you will understand the resentment. They love our money..., not us....
Member # 3881 has a right to speak and in most cases I agree with him. The Pink Palace( Del Rey) is a hit or miss. Sometimes good, sometimes not so good.
Braves #41 also has a right to voice his opinion
Jesus, what started off as parody, about san jose's infrastructure, sure hit a few nerves..Lighten up.
Johnny Sax:
Currently recommending Oasis and Veronica's .... both very near each other in the Paseo Colon area. Both half of what you pay at Zona Blue. I think Veronica's ambience is better than Oasis. But the girls are better looking at Oasis in my opinion.
ZB seems to me to be going downhill very fast. A week or so ago the quality of the girls wasn't so hot.
NB
[QUOTE=MJG Dogs]Take a late night stroll in Parque Morazon and you will see plenty of she-males.
Also if you get mugged in San jose do not expect to get any help from the policia, let alone the people in the streets. They deep down Resent us and despise us. That is my opinion based on living and working in Cr for about a year and visiting CR 12 times in the past. Live there for a while, and you will understand the resentment. They love our money..., not us....
Member # 3881 has a right to speak and in most cases I agree with him. The Pink Palace( Del Rey) is a hit or miss. Sometimes good, sometimes not so good.
Braves #41 also has a right to voice his opinion
Jesus, what started off as parody, about san jose's infrastructure, sure hit a few nerves..Lighten up.[/QUOTE]
Yes, there are she-males in San Jose, too, but Rio is kind of known to be a shemale mecca. I was just saying, if you go there, be careful, that's all: a word of caution, no big deal.
Actually I HAVE lived in CR for about a year, and visited about 10 times, myself, so I do know what I'm talking about. Maybe it depends on the attitude you put out. I have always had very positive experiences there, even with pros. And most of the people there have been very helpful and kind to me.
But yes, there is a growing resentment of gringos buying their land and "perverting" their culture and causing some inflation. On the other hand, there are many Ticos who realize we bring lots of work and thus money to them, and improve their lives by doing so. It's a double-edged sword.
I agree that #3881 and #41 and you have the right to speak. I don't think anyone is questioning that. But if you come on a board of mostly FANS of San Jose's women, and post that the women there are not attractive, etc., you should expect to find some people objecting to those statements, and voicing THEIR differing opinions. I voiced mine.
[QUOTE=Member #3831]Yes, I did find some ok looking girls at 6-7 but did you find any 9's like other deceiving mongers claim? You sound like you've traveled extensively but I'm curious as to why you still haven't figured out how to compare and rate girls.[/QUOTE]I do know how to travel and rate girls. From my experience in CR, I had a much better time with girls who spoke no english.They were not hardened pros. The european women look more like north Americans. In russia , you can arrange at least several hours for $50.00 not in CR. As far as looks I would have to say Russians 8-9, Costa Ricans 6-8. As far as performance Russians 8-9, Costa Ricans 6-8 (although I had some good sessions).
Why do I think Costa Rica is a better deal? A hell of a lot cheaper to fly down there for 5 days. Spanish is much easier to learn than Russian. Its alot cheaper to stay in CR than eastern europe. Can't comment on the safety although I was able to walk anywhere in a city of 8 million people at night with no problem. would not do that in San Jose.
for those who wanna bad mouth Costa Rica. go somewhere else. let each traveler experience his own. I had a great time and will go back again. I do like being abroad, I do like the local cultures and learning the local languages, and interacting with local people. I do not travel abroad to be around a bunch of Americans (although it is fun to hang out with one at night).
I have seen alot of people on this board bad mouth san jose and CR. True san jose is somewhat dirty and seedy in places. Its central america what did you expect. Go and experience it. do a little research first . most of you will have a good time.
Nice words Barefoot67!
Couldnt agree more, dont know if some of your last post was aimed at me?
I was in SJ well must be near 6 years ago now, and found the quality of chicas exceptional. There was 1 club sorry dont remember the name, but the quality was awsome, young, freshish!!, and not the prices ive seen here. You could take them to the side of the dance floor and they'd do a strip for you, a little extra and they'd take you to a seperate room for an hour+!! I'll look back through my starlog and see if i can find the name of the joint. Had a great time in Jkta before n/year so off there to post. Happy new year y'all.
My condolences to those mongers who weren't able to find a decent-looking woman to spend some time with and thus concluded San Jose is a lousy mongering destination. It sure ain't Rio or Buenos Aires or Bangkok, but you can have a hell of a good time there with some very attractive ladies. I'm attaching a couple of photos I did not take of two Kamur ladies I enjoyed multiple sessions with. Yes, I paid too much by CR standards and Club Kamur is no longer one of my favorite destinations, but Roxana and Sabrina rank pretty high on my all-time "favorites" list, compiled from visits to a number of international destinations.
[QUOTE=Mr Jetsetter]My condolences to those mongers who weren't able to find a decent-looking woman to spend some time with and thus concluded San Jose is a lousy mongering destination. It sure ain't Rio or Buenos Aires or Bangkok, but you can have a hell of a good time there with some very attractive ladies. I'm attaching a couple of photos I did not take of two Kamur ladies I enjoyed multiple sessions with. Yes, I paid too much by CR standards and Club Kamur is no longer one of my favorite destinations, but Roxana and Sabrina rank pretty high on my all-time "favorites" list, compiled from visits to a number of international destinations.[/QUOTE]Terrible looking girls. I would give Roxana a 7.5 and Sabrina is only a 5.5. Even with the help of photoshop software touch, they still don't look that good and I'm sure they look worse when you see them in person.
My condolences to those mongers who found those ugly looking girls pretty hot and thus concluded SJ is a fantastic mongering destiantion.
Member #3831,
Please bless us ignorant souls with some actual photos of at least one of the hot women you have dallied with, so that we may all learn to adjust our rating system to more closely conform to your unimpeachable standards of beauty.
By the way, both Roxana and Sabrina actually looked better in person, especially Sabrina, who is actually not at all photogenic.
[quote=member #3831]terrible looking girls. i would give roxana a 7.5 and sabrina is only a 5.5. even with the help of photoshop software touch, they still don't look that good and i'm sure they look worse when you see them in person.
my condolences to those mongers who found those ugly looking girls pretty hot and thus concluded sj is a fantastic mongering destiantion.[/quote]i'd normally be the first one to say any has a right to express their own opinion. i'm also willing to admit there is at least a small bit of validity in some of the negative opinions of cr expressed recently. some guys do vastly over-rate cr (note: that in no way means that the exact opposite of what they say is true). the place is not perfect. some other places are better in some ways. the hdr does have a fair share of bow-wows and those that aren't total bow-wows (and even many of the bow-wows) are often hardened non-gfe types.
that said, cr has those other places beat in other ways. no place is perfect, not cr, not rio, not cartagena nor anywhere else. what's best for one person with their circumstances, preferences and priorities may not be best for the next guy with a different set of preferences. and to totally trash a place because it didn't satisfy one's own personal standards is at least as ridiculous as other guys blindly over-rating that place. it might be a different story if we were talking about some place that the vast majority of people would agree was a complete shithole, like port au prince haiti (i've been there more times than i care to remember and believe me you don't want to go there). but, with so many people raving about cr, it must at least have something going for it.
the hdr also has plenty of chicas that most rational guys would rate at least a 7 and not all of them are hard cases. besides, any cr vet will tell you that the hdr is not the only or even the best place to do your hunting in cr. and, imho, any who can't find at least an acceptable looking girl with a decent attitude in cr, either: a) has ridiculously high standards that probably couldn't be met anywhere, b) did not know what they were doing and just picked out the wrong girls or restricted themselves to the more common places that are frequented by other ignorant newbies and the chicas that have learned how to prey on those type guys or c) was just unlucky in their first short visit and should go back to learn what they did wrong before drawing any hasty conclusions. in the first case, they've got a problem of their own making, but in the latter two cases, without any patronizing or condescension, they deserve our sincere condolences for what they missed out on. and i'm sure that's the way jetsetter meant it. it should also be pointed out that its not like js is one of those guys who fail to acknowledge where other places surpass cr.
but lets look a little closer at 3831. [quote=member #3831]you sound like you've traveled extensively but i'm curious as to why you still haven't figured out how to compare and rate girls.[/quote] he questions the judgement of a guy who, unlike him, has actually been around enough places to actually make informed evaluations. in fact, he seems to be questioning everyone's judgement but his own. he's virtually alone in his judgement and yet he's convinced that it is all the rest of us with distorted standards. that doesn't make much sense to me.[quote=member #3831]my condolences to those mongers who found those ugly looking girls pretty hot and thus concluded sj is a fantastic mongering destiantion.[/quote][quote=member #3831]i couldn't degrade myself to fuck these ok looking girls. (you know, all the ones that all the rest of us seem to have no problem degrading ourselves with)[/quote]unlike js, who was sorry that he couldn't seem to find the thing that all the rest of us can, or being happy for us that, in his view, we can so be so easily pleased and leaving it at that, he makes yet another in a series of comments condescending comments.
who is this guy? aside from one post in the turkey photo section commenting on someone else's photo submission, he has posted only here in the cr section. once before his trip asking a generic question that belied his ignorance and this more recent series of posts bitching about his experiences and insulting anyone else that manages to have a good time down there. if he said he'd never return to cr, why does he keep coming back to this forum to make these inflammatory posts that will never convince anyone around here that it is anything more than sour grapes or one isolated and fucked up viewpoint. if he thinks he can find girls that are so much better looking than the ones that can be found in cr (and i'm not talking about highpriced american callgirls, non-gfe types or pics of girls he's never really been with that were swiped from other guy's posts). its easy to throw stones, but not so easy to come up with something better.
expressing a contrary opinion is fine, but this guy is starting to look more and more like a troll.
As Jaimito Cartero so eloquently said in his 12/31/05 post:
The whole "My favorite mongering place is great, while yours is shit" is just a waste of time for everyone involved. There are good and bad things about everywhere. Concentrate on finding the good stuff, share with all the fellow mongers, and everyone (except for the chicas with crappy service) prosper.[/QUOTE]
Everyone is entitled to their opinions, however negative they may be. But these opinions can easily be given in a way that is sensitive to this audience and doesn't blatantly imply that ISG members are ignorant for enjoying their sojourns to San Jose, or that they essentially don't have good taste in women. I commend Chase Star for his recent summaries of the pros and cons of San Jose and CR, and the recent drift of the comments on this board.
Over the last 30 years, I have been lucky enough to have done quite a bit of travelling and have mongered in a number of places around the world: e.g., Prague, Amsterdam, Buenos Aires, Curacao, Indonesia. I never went to any of these places just to monger. I went to Prague because it is a stunningly beautiful city with awesome architecture and awesome beer halls. I went to Amsterdam to sample the coffee shops and ambience btween visits to some private apartments. I went to Curacao (five times) to scuba dive by day and monger by night at the fabulous Campo Alegre. I went to Indonesia to dive and trek. My point is that I like to go to places that have multiple things to offer, and I STRONGLY feel that San Jose meets this key criterion. I had an absolute blast during my two trips last year, indulging in such delightful activities as rafting the Pacuare, playing Texas Hold-em at the Horseshoe, smoking a Cuban at Zona Blue after getting it on with two honies in the big room with the big bed, soaking up the fabulous atmosphere at the Sportsmen's Lodge, walking the half-block to Cafe Mundo for a GREAT meal on one of their two patios, taking an overnight trip to the beautiful beaches a few kilometers south of Jaco, people-watching at the Blue Marlin.
Armed with the proper attitude and a little knowledge of the local scene, I don't see how anyone could not have a great time in this area. Frankly, this is why I find the harsh negativity in some of these recent posts somewhat mindboggling!
[QUOTE=Member #3831]Terrible looking girls. I would give Roxana a 7.5 and Sabrina is only a 5.5. Even with the help of photoshop software touch, they still don't look that good and I'm sure they look worse when you see them in person.
My condolences to those mongers who found those ugly looking girls pretty hot and thus concluded SJ is a fantastic mongering destiantion.[/QUOTE]
Meet Roxana and Sabrina in person before you rate them........Those numbers 7.5 and 5.5 are very low, some ladies the camera is just not good to.......
I would rate Roxana a 9 and Sabrina a 7.5 personally.......
I am also a very experienced monger as I have visited Amsterdam, CR and South America in my travellings over the past decade....
[QUOTE=Mr Jetsetter]My point is that I like to go to places that have multiple things to offer [/QUOTE]I agree with you 100% and the sad fact is that San Jose doesn't meet this key criterion. There's absolutely nothing to do in San Jose and people who have visited there unanimously say San Jose doesn't have one unique thing that other places don't offer. You'll find the same McDonalds, KFC, grocery stores, and shoe shops that you would normally find in any other cities around the world.
[QUOTE=Mr Jetsetter]I had an absolute blast during my two trips last year, indulging in such delightful activities as rafting, smoking a Cuban at Zona Blue, soaking up the fabulous atmosphere at the Sportsmen's Lodge, walking the half-block to Cafe Mundo for a GREAT meal on one of their two patios, people-watching at the Blue Marlin.[/QUOTE]Rafting in San Jose? Were you rafting in the hotel swimming pool? I don't think you were smoking a Cuban at Zona Blue. You were smoking something strong!!!
Why would anyone want to spend hundreds of dollars to fly to San Jose to smoke a Cuban cigar and eat some meal on a patio? You can literally do the same stuff in the states without having to spend a whopping $1000 on flight tickets + hotel.
Costa Ricans are very friendly but as you just pointed out, San Jose is not a good mongering destination as they don't offer any unique things and most importantly the girls are too far from attractive.
I rest my case.
[quote=chase star]i'd normally be the first one to say any has a right to express their own opinion. i'm also willing to admit there is at least a small bit of validity in some of the negative opinions of cr expressed recently. some guys do vastly over-rate cr (note: that in no way means that the exact opposite of what they say is true). the place is not perfect. some other places are better in some ways. the hdr does have a fair share of bow-wows and those that aren't total bow-wows (and even many of the bow-wows) are often hardened non-gfe types.
that said, cr has those other places beat in other ways. no place is perfect, not cr, not rio, not cartagena nor anywhere else. what's best for one person with their circumstances, preferences and priorities may not be best for the next guy with a different set of preferences. and to totally trash a place because it didn't satisfy one's own personal standards is at least as ridiculous as other guys blindly over-rating that place. it might be a different story if we were talking about some place that the vast majority of people would agree was a complete shithole, like port au prince haiti (i've been there more times than i care to remember and believe me you don't want to go there). but, with so many people raving about cr, it must at least have something going for it.
the hdr also has plenty of chicas that most rational guys would rate at least a 7 and not all of them are hard cases. besides, any cr vet will tell you that the hdr is not the only or even the best place to do your hunting in cr. and, imho, any who can't find at least an acceptable looking girl with a decent attitude in cr, either: a) has ridiculously high standards that probably couldn't be met anywhere, b) did not know what they were doing and just picked out the wrong girls or restricted themselves to the more common places that are frequented by other ignorant newbies and the chicas that have learned how to prey on those type guys or c) was just unlucky in their first short visit and should go back to learn what they did wrong before drawing any hasty conclusions. in the first case, they've got a problem of their own making, but in the latter two cases, without any patronizing or condescension, they deserve our sincere condolences for what they missed out on. and i'm sure that's the way jetsetter meant it. it should also be pointed out that its not like js is one of those guys who fail to acknowledge where other places surpass cr.
but lets look a little closer at 3831. he questions the judgement of a guy who, unlike him, has actually been around enough places to actually make informed evaluations. in fact, he seems to be questioning everyone's judgement but his own. he's virtually alone in his judgement and yet he's convinced that it is all the rest of us with distorted standards. that doesn't make much sense to me.unlike js, who was sorry that he couldn't seem to find the thing that all the rest of us can, or being happy for us that, in his view, we can so be so easily pleased and leaving it at that, he makes yet another in a series of comments condescending comments.
who is this guy? aside from one post in the turkey photo section commenting on someone else's photo submission, he has posted only here in the cr section. once before his trip asking a generic question that belied his ignorance and this more recent series of posts bitching about his experiences and insulting anyone else that manages to have a good time down there. if he said he'd never return to cr, why does he keep coming back to this forum to make these inflammatory posts that will never convince anyone around here that it is anything more than sour grapes or one isolated and fucked up viewpoint. if he thinks he can find girls that are so much better looking than the ones that can be found in cr (and i'm not talking about highpriced american callgirls, non-gfe types or pics of girls he's never really been with that were swiped from other guy's posts). its easy to throw stones, but not so easy to come up with something better.
expressing a contrary opinion is fine, but this guy is starting to look more and more like a troll.[/quote]
i agree, # 3881 has a right to express his opinion, in the case he is a little harsh, one girl is a 7 , i like the one with the pigtails better, give her a 7.875
well stated post, even though i do not agree with some of the opinions of the pro-san jose crowd. smoking a cuban, playing cards, with some annoying chica hanging on your shoulder, wanting you to buy them a drink or leave with them( your playing cards dammit, concentrate on winning) and hanging out with a bunch of gringos at the pink palace gets boring, except in football season, ( especially jan 3, 2005- usc 55 oklahoma 19, you could hear a pin drop in parts of the dr) when one can go to the colonial and relax and watch five games at once . i need diversion, and warm weather and clean air and the ocean and much more laid back chicas, thus i have a perference for cartagena.
in my opinion the biggest negative i have against the pink palace, is the hardened attitudes of the chicas. there are some nice gems to be found, but man the night crew in the dr, are too hardcore, the colombiana cartel also has scared off some of the newer girls. afternoons in the pink palace, in my opinion are much better. key largo is better in my opinion for finding nicer chicas at night
i think what happens is that most first time mongers go to the dr, at night, fall prey to the mafiosa in there, and pay too much, for mediocre or bad service, and then on top of that , to be constantly hassled by the beggars, con-man, oscar ( hey man need anything), and all of that bullshit, can leave a bad taste in one's mouth. newbies get ripped off by the mafiosa, i mean $ 100 for one pop, shame on the chica the first time, shame on the monger the second time, $50-60 in my opinion is enough, also stupid newbie pays for taxi for chica.. after chica uses his bathroom, to freshen and lube up for next trick. think dummy.
it would be smart for a newbie, to go to the pink palace to observe first. just sit back and watch how the game is played for a few days, meanwhile newbie should go to places like zona blue and oasis( which is in my opinion a great value) beforehand, to take care of his biological needs. the reason is that he will know what the score is, will be able to pick his chica, without any bullshit, and with a little game and being nice to the chica, will get good service. i never had a bad experience at oasis, and had only one bad time at zb. nighttime one can also go to idem.
i do agree with the guy who mentioned cafe mundo. great atmosphere, with the right chica( not a nightime dr girl).
ok , enough of my tome, opinons are like assholes, everyone has one.
[QUOTE=Mr Jetsetter]My condolences to those mongers who weren't able to find a decent-looking woman to spend some time with and thus concluded San Jose is a lousy mongering destination. It sure ain't Rio or Buenos Aires or Bangkok, but you can have a hell of a good time there with some very attractive ladies. I'm attaching a couple of photos I did not take of two Kamur ladies I enjoyed multiple sessions with. Yes, I paid too much by CR standards and Club Kamur is no longer one of my favorite destinations, but Roxana and Sabrina rank pretty high on my all-time "favorites" list, compiled from visits to a number of international destinations.[/QUOTE]
I'd give Roxana an 8. Very sexy!
[QUOTE=Johnny Sax]I'd give Roxana an 8. Very sexy![/QUOTE]
And that is not even her best photo........
I have not been in CR for a couple of years. I have enjoyed the HDR and some of the other places in the past. I do agree with the flavor of the discussion here, that some experiences are marginal and some are pretty good. Believe me, when I go to SJO next month I will participate because I am sure I can find something attractive to me at one of the spots.
Most of my activity occurs in the states and as a result I am used to paying much higher prices. My question is, does anyone know of a private service that reliably provides super premium girls at a higher price? $150 - $200 would be a bargain compared to Miami Companions, but would have to be outstanding service and nothing less than 8.75 in anybody's book.
Nope. Expect that the escort services in CR tend to run about $100/hour up to $200-400 per day, but I would not in any way consider these to be Super Premium in quality. More like reliable 7-8s in quality of looks, and service varying from 6s to the occassional 9s, but not reliable 9s.
Member #3831
A more careful reading of my previous post by any reader without an obvious bias or axe to grind would reveal that I was talking about San Jose and its easily accessible surrounding environment: e.g, the Pacuare river and the Pacific coast, both of which can be experienced in day trips. I was not limiting my discussion to the specific physical boundaries of the city itself, as I clearly indicated in my post. I am anxiously awaiting a post from you that actually contributes something useful and informative to readers of this board -- that would be a first!
While I did enjoy people-watching over a beer or two during my occasional brief stops in the Blue Marlin, I was never compelled to enter the game and seek a chica. The place just seemed too intense and overwhelming for me in this regard, yet I can completely understand its appeal. I do think that those who generally restrict their mongering activities to this admittedly very interesting location are not getting a true picture of just what San Jose has to offer. It would be interesting to read more about how people really feel about this place, which is truly one of the most famous bars in the world.
I received a PM from someone asking me what my favorite mongering destination was, and I would have to say Buenos Aires. It is a safe, sophisticated, cosmopolitan city with great restaurants and clubs, and a very deep and diversified mongering scene. I predominately utilized internet-based escort agencies such as Platynum and Area Vip, but I also sampled a few ladies from the "triangle" clubs near where I was staying. I didn't come close to sampling a tenth of the possibilities there and would like to go back. The problem is that it is expensive and time-consuming to get there, although prices in BA itself are currently quite reasonable. I do like to commune with Mother Nature when traveling abroad, and that is not so easily done in BA. It is not at all close to some of the awesome mountain and forest regions South America has to offer. The ISG was experiencing some serious technical difficulties about the time of my return, and I was unable to submit a few posts of my experiences and eventually gave up.
I recognize there are some serious gaps in my resume, and I'd really like to get to Thailand and Columbia. I am planning a trip to Peru in May, mainly to experience the Amazon and Andes in one trip.
Here are my personal experiences on mongering in San Jose. I hope this info will help guys have a more enjoyable experience:
*If you are in Costa Rica specifically to monger, i suggest staying in San Jose at the Del Rey,Sportman's Lounge or Presidente. My personal favorite is the Del Rey due to the Blue Marlin Bar being right there.
*Communicate the ground rules before making any agreements with the girls.
*No Cien!(Do not pay over $100!)
*Control the market. Explain to the girls that they will have the oppourtunity to earn $30-$80 based on their performance & attitude. They might even receive trinkets or cab fare if they are extra nice. Offer four different prices.
*Make it clear to the girls that they will be paid after services are rendered.
*Any violation of your agreement should result in you clearly & politely declining the girls services.(You will only be out $10)
*The attitude you see downstairs(Blue Marlin Bar) is the attitude you will see upstairs. If a girl is boring and disinterested in the bar, she will most likely be that way upstairs. The sex still may or may not be good,but the chances are she will be an unenthusastic clockwatcher.
*Some girls that propose threesomes will not touch their friend. In the bar the girls act like they are bisexual, but they are just trying to get you to also pick their friend. The girls that are truly bisexual will passionatly kiss and fondle one another in the bar. Alcohol will help loosen them up. Again, explain clearly what you want the girls to do to one another. Let the girl choose a girl she is attracted to.
*The girls seem to accept less money if you pay them in pesos. Get familiar with the conversion from dollars to colones.
*Tell the girls that you will be in town for 3-4 weeks. If you tell them that you are in town for a few days, you will get substandard treatment. All of these girls talk to one another and share info. I would not be surprised if they have their own working girl forum on the internet. I used this method and i had girls i have never spoke to calling me by name and giving me neck massages,allowing me to fondle and kiss them in the bar area. These girls see you as a potential meal ticket for the next 3-4 weeks.
*Treat every girl with respect. You are in paradise and the customer is always right. Report any major problems immediately to the manager/ or security.
That's it for now. I will be returning to San Jose in about 45 days. I will report my trip and other helpful tips when i return.
Purda Vida!
Daj912
Well do to starting a new job Feb. 1st, I've decided to take my first solo mongering trip down to Costa Rica. I'm flying in on Sat. Afternoon Jan 21st to SJ, spending one night at the Del Rey then 6 in Jaco before my last 2 again at the Pink Palace. This is my sixth trip to CR which is why I'm comfortable going it alone this time. I was looking at Rio but with all the crime and only a 5 hour flight from NJ to SJ I'm sticking with CR this time. If any fellow mongers would like to meet up for drinks PM me. I'm 31, not unattractive and speak enough spanish to get by. I know lots of local ticas in Jaco from my friends that own a bar down there. I'll actually be staying at the Morazan next to the Del Rey. Much quieter, cheaper, and no guest fees. 5 Days and counting.
Hope it's okay that I post this in this forum; no one seems to be reading or replying in the Travel forum.
I am trying to save money to spend on girls, not on hotel bills. Which would you recommend, the La Gran Via or the Morazan? Both seem to be in the $50/night range. Of course the Morazan is closer to the action which is what I like about it but I've never stayed there. Is it noisy? Are there quiet "interior" or backside rooms? (I'm a light sleeper, once I finally do get around to using the bed for sleep...)
I have stayed at the La Gran Via and although the "ambiance" of the lobby leaves much to be desired, I found the rooms very nice, quiet, and clean enough, and I like the free breakfast, and I found the desk clerks to be honest and helpful.
Anyone have an opinion on which of these is best? Please say why.
Also, I'm open to other possibilities in this price range.
[QUOTE=Lancer520]... I'll actually be staying at the Morazan next to the Del Rey. Much quieter, cheaper, and no guest fees. 5 Days and counting.[/QUOTE]
I heard that the Morazan does charge $5 (or was it $10?) to bring a girl up to the room. No? Maybe it depends on the night, or on the desk clerk?
Also, can you recommend a particular nice, quiet room there? (Don't worry, I won't be there when you are, my friend and I are arriving about 12 days after you, so I won't take "your" room!)
Its been a while since I've stayed there but I thought the rooms at the Morazon were perfectly fine, at least as good as those at the HDR and much quieter. They sometimes charge a [b]$3[/b] guest fee but you can try to negotiate that out when you book. If they still try to charge the fee the first time you bring the girl back, you can also pay the fee in cash directly to the nightclerk and ask if he might forget to add the fee to your bill for the rest of your stay and that will usually work. Basically, they are very loose and inconsistent in what they charge. Even if you get hit for $3 each night you bring back a chica and add it to the $39/nt room rate you still come out way ahead of the $49/nt at the Pres or the $59/nt +$10 chica fee at the HDR.
[QUOTE=Chase Star]Its been a while since I've stayed there but I thought the rooms at the Morazon were perfectly fine, at least as good as those at the HDR and much quieter. They sometimes charge a [b]$3[/b] guest fee but you can try to negotiate that out when you book. If they still try to charge the fee the first time you bring the girl back, you can also pay the fee in cash directly to the nightclerk and ask if he might forget to add the fee to your bill for the rest of your stay and that will usually work. Basically, they are very loose and inconsistent in what they charge. Even if you get hit for $3 each night you bring back a chica and add it to the $39/nt room rate you still come out way ahead of the $49/nt at the Pres or the $59/nt +$10 chica fee at the HDR.[/QUOTE]
Thanks. You're the 2nd person who told me the Morazan is quieter than the DR and just as nice for a better price. So I'm going to try to book at the Morazan via the net.
Hey johnny sax... i have stayed at the morazan 4 times in the last 10 months and plan to stay again on my next trip...Some pointers...1. If you make your resv. on line, call them direct or you will get a outfit that isnt part of the hotel ...just call them give them your dates and your card # and everything will be all set. 2.When you check in , tell them why you chose them was due to the fact they charge no chica fee( i tell them that every time i check in)3. When you are making any deal with the girls from b.m. or key largo it really helps on the price when they know you are so close . 4 You will save money (not much on taxi rides) but if you get drunk its a short walk(from b.m or key largo)5. The rooms are clean and the price is right 6.They have a cool little bar that is open 24 hours and has alot of local people in it ..i have found pro"s and non pro"s in there all the time.7 Nice little casino to kill some time and they have the best sports book in the town there( if you are interested)8. i feel safe there ...except for the time i took 2 lesbo back to my room and had to kick them out ..when they thought they had a dumb gringo and threaten to call the police on me...never have i had any trouble with the hotel itself...9 Also (hasnt happen yet) they have some knockouts working as maids, dealers and wait staff and i have got to know them so could be some non pro action for me on this trip... on my last trip i got the 30.00 a nite deal ( maybe 35.00) not sure what it is now i dont think for a single it evers goes higher than 49.00 , look in the tico times and you will find a coupon for 10.00 or 15.00 off the weekday price.If you need anymore info give me a shout as i have found much better places to go than the b.m ..but the key largo is still a great time, also go back thur the san jose forum and look for the "MAP" IT REALLY HELPS as i find it easy to get lost there and less than half of the cab drivers will understand what you are saying ...unless your spanish is better than mine.....good luck and we hope to read about your trip...
[QUOTE=Daj912]*The girls seem to accept less money if you pay them in pesos. [/QUOTE]
I've never gotten any girls to accept pesos. :)
I dislike any place that charges extra for a girl to come up. The Del Rey isn't even the worst, at $10 a head. I think the Holiday Inn charges $20-$25, which is just crazy. I'd give the nod to Sportsman or Presidente if they don't charge joiner fees.
[QUOTE=ChiliMike]Hey johnny sax... i have stayed at the morazan 4 times in the last 10 months and plan to stay again on my next trip...Some pointers...1. If you make your resv. on line, call them direct or you will get a outfit that isnt part of the hotel ...just call them give them your dates and your card # and everything will be all set. 2.When you check in , tell them why you chose them was due to the fact they charge no chica fee( i tell them that every time i check in)3. When you are making any deal with the girls from b.m. or key largo it really helps on the price when they know you are so close . 4 You will save money (not much on taxi rides) but if you get drunk its a short walk(from b.m or key largo)5. The rooms are clean and the price is right 6.They have a cool little bar that is open 24 hours and has alot of local people in it ..i have found pro"s and non pro"s in there all the time.7 Nice little casino to kill some time and they have the best sports book in the town there( if you are interested)8. i feel safe there ...except for the time i took 2 lesbo back to my room and had to kick them out ..when they thought they had a dumb gringo and threaten to call the police on me...never have i had any trouble with the hotel itself...9 Also (hasnt happen yet) they have some knockouts working as maids, dealers and wait staff and i have got to know them so could be some non pro action for me on this trip... on my last trip i got the 30.00 a nite deal ( maybe 35.00) not sure what it is now i dont think for a single it evers goes higher than 49.00 , look in the tico times and you will find a coupon for 10.00 or 15.00 off the weekday price.If you need anymore info give me a shout as i have found much better places to go than the b.m ..but the key largo is still a great time, also go back thur the san jose forum and look for the "MAP" IT REALLY HELPS as i find it easy to get lost there and less than half of the cab drivers will understand what you are saying ...unless your spanish is better than mine.....good luck and we hope to read about your trip...[/QUOTE]
I cannot find a home page for the Hotel Morazan, and the site I am looking on seems to have TWO different listings for the Morazan!
[url]http://*******.com/8vzms[/url]
AND:
[url]http://www.1costaricalink.com/eng/hotels/hots/crmorazan/rooms.htm[/url]
They both seem to have the same name , only it says one is $42 and the other is $65! Looking closer, the $42/nite page has a 2005 date at the bottom , and the $65/nite page has a 2006 date at the bottom. Is it possible that they raised their price from $42 to $65??!! If so, we should boycott this hotel, that is an outrageous price hike!
Anyone have a direct number to this hotel so I can call and straighten this out? If they have raised it $23/night, I will tell them that is ridiculous and I won't be staying there any more due to this gouging price hike.
The Gran Hotel de Costa Rica did this a few years ago. I stayed there one night, had a great room for $45/ night. Then the very next year I checked again and they were charging $60-something ($69, I think it was?) for the very same room! I let them know they had lost my business, and indeed I will never stay there again unless they lower their price.
But of course the unfortunate fact is people WILL PAY the higher prices, so they don't care...
I think they have different high and low season rates, or some times it just depends how busy they are (kinda like the airlines ). The last number I have for them is 506 221-9083.
Their direct phone number is 011-506-222-4622.
All hotels to one degree or another charge different rates for the same room. They have what they call "rack rates", which is their standard non-discounted rate, but they also have peak season vs. non-peak, weekend vs. weekday, AAA discount, AARP discount etc. etc. If a room-night goes vacant thats revenue they'll never recover so they try to adjust their rates to stay as full as possible and they try to discount selectively between guests so they don't have to lower the rates for everybody on a particular night. These various rates and discounts may seem fairly standardized at US hotels, but in places like CR business is run much looser than it is in the US. Its even often possible to negotiate lower rates when you reserve or check-in to many places, a tleast during the non-peak season when there's lots of vacancies.
The Morazon plays it a little looser than most when it comes to their pricing. If some dumb gringo doesn't know any better and wants to book a room with them at their non-discounted rate they're not about to stop them. Locals aren't so stupid so the Morazon has a long running special that they advertise in the local paper and all you have to get that same rate is let them know you know the score and insist on it. The "special" rate is usually somewhere between $35-39/nt depending on how hard up for business they are. Someone mentioned they've gotten as low as $30/nt. I haven't seen that but its entirely possible. Score that rate and they still might try to play you around for extra charges, like the chica fee or a safe fee. Yes, its irritating but get it straight ahead of time and you'll probably get them waived and even if you don't its not that big a price to pay for get what is still basically a very good rate.
Well, fellas. I booked a flight for me and my guys to SJ for 2/2 through 2/7. Unfortunately, due to financial constraints, was unable to book a hotel until last week. All the recommended hotels were booked up!!! Staying at the Balmoral, which was 5th on my list. How bad off am I? Please be gentle.
[quote=chase star]their direct phone number is 011-506-222-4622.
all hotels to one degree or another charge different rates for the same room. they have what they call "rack rates", which is their standard non-discounted rate, but they also have peak season vs. non-peak, weekend vs. weekday, aaa discount, aarp discount etc. etc. if a room-night goes vacant thats revenue they'll never recover so they try to adjust their rates to stay as full as possible and they try to discount selectively between guests so they don't have to lower the rates for everybody on a particular night. these various rates and discounts may seem fairly standardized at us hotels, but in places like cr business is run much looser than it is in the us. its even often possible to negotiate lower rates when you reserve or check-in to many places, a tleast during the non-peak season when there's lots of vacancies.
the morazon plays it a little looser than most when it comes to their pricing. if some dumb gringo doesn't know any better and wants to book a room with them at their non-discounted rate they're not about to stop them. locals aren't so stupid so the morazon has a long running special that they advertise in the local paper and all you have to get that same rate is let them know you know the score and insist on it. the "special" rate is usually somewhere between $35-39/nt depending on how hard up for business they are. someone mentioned they've gotten as low as $30/nt. i haven't seen that but its entirely possible. score that rate and they still might try to play you around for extra charges, like the chica fee or a safe fee. yes, its irritating but get it straight ahead of time and you'll probably get them waived and even if you don't its not that big a price to pay for get what is still basically a very good rate.[/quote]
thanks for the info. the tico times does have an ad in there that says $40/night. i e-mailed them from the address in that ad, and asked about availability for feb 12 and got no response. guess i'll have to call them.
my pet peeve of the day: i hate when places advertise their e-mail address and then don't respond to e-mails! if you aren't going to check it daily and reply within 24-48 hours, then don't advertise your e-mail address!!
anyway, i'll call them and try to get a commitment for a coupla rooms at the $40/nite rate for my friend and i.
Don't forget to ask about any extra fees such as for having a safe in your room or for bringing back guests. When asking, tell them you're just asking to make sure there wasn't and that either you (or a friend) had stayed there before and had not been charged anything extra (ie bullshit them). If they tell you there's an extra fee for either of those, try to get them to agree to waive it. More importantly ask them to confirm everything you both agreed to when they e-mail you your confirmation and then print out that e-mail to bring with you to show them in case they "forget". It may seem like stupid crap to have to do any of this, but the small hassle is worth it if it means you get away paying the least amount possible for your stay.
I am back in San Jose and am staying at the Clarion Hotel on Avenida 11 and Calle 3. The ambiance to the hotel is great and there is casino there that closes at 0300, but what is most important is that they have a decent enough gym, which is at the garage level, because I am workout freak.
After the direct flight from the US I changed clothes and immediately went to the Del Rey. The place was packed. I met a dude from California whose main vacation place is Angeles City in the PI. He deplored the fact that the girls here cost more than $20. I informed him that, if he had the opportunity, he could go to the massage parlors or other places besides the Blue Marlin. After suggesting so, we then went to Pantera Rosa, about one mile south of the Del Rey Hotel. I flashed the bouncer my CRT card and was able to go in for free. The other guy had to pay the entrance fee.
We soon went in. I was hoping that this place would be like the upper end strip clubs in Monterrey, such as Prestige and Obsession, but it was not to be. It is a fairly dim place but the girls are available for full service on the premises at $40, a lot cheaper than the $200 I paid in Mexico. Anyway, I asked the mesero for one of the better looking girls at place, Johanna. She soon started grinding her hips on my pelvis and started to touch my private area. Even though I had not slept that much, I was game and paid the price.
In the meantime, the Californian I was with wanted to leave because he felt out of place and could not speak a word of Spanish. I told him that I wanted to go with the chick that I was with and asked him that if he could go back alone. He was game with that, thank God. It is occurrences like these that I like going by myself during my travels--I only have responsibilities to myself.
The room was right next to the dance floor and it had a couch. It was fairly comfortable and I had no problem with it. After the deed, we went out and she sat by me for about half and hour until I started nodding off. It was time for me to get back to the hotel. For those looking for night time activities other than Del Rey and the Blue Marlin bar, this might be an option.
[QUOTE=Sun Devil]I am back in San Jose and am staying at the Clarion Hotel on Avenida 11 and Calle 3. The ambiance to the hotel is great and there is casino there that closes at 0300, but what is most important is that they have a decent enough gym, which is at the garage level, because I am workout freak. [/QUOTE]
How much per night? What do you like about the ambiance?
[QUOTE=Sun Devil]...we then went to Pantera Rosa, about one mile south of the Del Rey Hotel. I flashed the bouncer my CRT card and was able to go in for free. The other guy had to pay the entrance fee.[/QUOTE]
So this is a strip bar? How much is the entrance fee?
[QUOTE=Sun Devil] It is a fairly dim place but the girls are available for full service on the premises at $40, [/QUOTE]
Is that a $40 set price, for 1/2 hour, or what? Oh, and how much are beers or drinks there? Might have to check this place out. By the way, was your ************** card worth it, overall?
Thanks for the report!
To answer your questions, the fee at the hotel is $75 per night, including tax, if you are a member of CRT. If not, I believe they ordinarily charge $144. The $75 includes a breakfast buffet that offers sliced fruits, i.e, papaya, pineapples, juice, omelettes, rice and beans, coffee, etc, which is little bit better than what the Sportsmen offered when I stayed there last year. The ambiance of the place is similar to that of the the typical Holiday Inn in the US.
Other good things about this hotel are that they do not charge any chica fees, unlike the Del Rey, which charges $10 if you take a girl to the room. It is located in Barrio Amon, where the Sportsmen, Hotel Don Carlos, and Hotel Santo Tomas are located. Also, it is one block from Zona Blue, which now has a bar that serves alcohol in the premises, and a couple of blocks from New Fantasy. Thus you can pretty much walk to these massage parlors, plus the Del Rey from this hotel.
The Pantera Rosa is a strip club with girls that you can do at the premises for $40 until you finished, be it an hour or 5 minutes. I was not charged an admission fee due to my CRT card. I went to another strip club last night, the Atlantis, and they were offering alcohol past midnight. I do not know who they paid, but this country is technically dry right now due to the election tomorrow. In fact, the only things that they are serving at the Del Rey as I write are juice, coffee, sodas, and water. Too bad the weather has not been as dry, since it has been raining for the past 3 days.
Anyway, I met some of the dancers at Pantera Rosa: Sasha, Joanna, Ingrid, out drinking at Atlantis and they invited me to their table. The reason they were there was because the Pantera Rosa was closed due to the non-alcohol law. Talk about a small city. Ingrid, a girl from Nicaragua, got totally drunk and started showing me her pussy. Needless to say I did not pass up this opportunity and started tonguing her and rubbing her clit, all this while in public. This occurred on and off for about an hour. Occurrences like these are the reasons why I love travelling outside the US, especially in Latin countries!
I may get some flak from my CR buddies on this but to be fair the $75/nt is really just the casino rate. You can also go to [url]http://www.casino-paradiso.com/acco.htm[/url] for details. It is a Clarion Hotel which is part of the US based Choice Hotel chain and so has much more the ambiance of a US based hotel that some people might prefer. The casino is closes at 3AM but I don't think it opens until 4PM which might be an issue if you want to get some early gambling in. But then who (besides Nixon) says you always have to gamble where you stay. The Barrio Amon is a nice neighborhood but the Amon Plaza is really on the bad edge of it. Zona Blue is 1 block away, but its a long enough walk to the DR that you probably won't want to do it after dark. It doesn't charge chica fees, but its not like there aren't other hotels that cost much less per night that don't charge chica fees either (e.g. the Presidente, the SL, or even the Morazon most of the time)
As far as the Pink Panther is concerned, the CRT card actually gets you free admission PLUS your first drink. Not having paid the admission I'm not sure exactly what it is but I believe it is only something like $2. Also not sure about drink prices, since I'll nurse mine for quite a long time in places like this. Girl drinks are 3500c or about $7. My undersanding was that it is 22K colones or about $40 for a HALF and an hour and 40K colones for an hour. Maybe they don't watch the clock as carefully if it's a slow night. Para llevar can be pricey due to the 5 drink bar fine (5X3500) with the rest being between you and the chica. Getting a number and arranging to meet her elsewhere after hours may be your best bet.
Now is it worth it to get a CRT card just to save a couple of bucks at PT? Obviously not. But taking into account ALL the other places and ways you can save by becoming a CRT VIP, I would say it is definitely worth it. Maybe not for a short visit but certainly for anyone that plans to be very active there for an extended period or multiple trips. All the ways you can save money are too numerous to mention here but just to highlight a FEW other ones besides the PT; there are even more significant savings at Kamur (free admission and every 3rd drink free), Tango India (free admission and 15% of your entire bill), a REAL 10% discount off the normal SL rates that could save you the cost of membership by itself in less than a week, something like $5-10 off the prices EACH time you go to Zona Blue that could offset most of the membership cost in just one trip all by itself (granted you probably wouldn't go to the ZB as often if you had to pay full price), and discounts at some really good restaurants such as Costa de Sol (10% off your bill). You also get access to their photo gallery which not only includes often grainy muff shots like you'll find here but facial pics of recommended chicas and even more importantly chicas to avoid (one in particular is known for "roofing" unsuspecting drunken gamblers and rolling them for all their dough).
Perhaps one of the biggest benefits is often overlooked. You can get a lot of good advice for free before you go both here and at CRT, but that isn't nearly the same as the advice you can get on the spot by guys who can point out the actual girls who they know to be good or bad. I haven't run into nearly as many ISGers IN CR as I have fellow CRTers and the CRT guys are very often the best for getting the latest on the spot intel. They'll probably help you out if you're a ISGer too but are more likely to spend the time to point you in the right direction if they know you're one of them.
Always stay in Presidenete. They are booked. Any suggestions to choose between Clarion Amon and Sleep Inn will be appreciated. Read all postings and could not find answers.
Sleep Inn is not chica friendly at all. If you searched at CRT, you would have found out the full deal on the Sleep Inn.
I think it is great that CRT and the merits of its VIP membership can be so freely discussed on this ISG board. I highly recommend becoming a CRT member even if one is only planning a single trip to San Jose. Chase Star is absolutely correct -- CRT discount savings can easily offset annual membership costs in one single trip. Chase Star and R Brandon are prime examples of people who post valuable advice and info on both the CRT and ISG boards, and we all benefit. I have been an ISG member for three years and a CRT member for a little over one, and I'm a big fan of both boards.
I'm hitting San Jose next week for 8 days and will post my experiences. I'm delighted to hear that Club Kamur is under new ownership and has instituted set rates for onsite chica sessions: $50 an hour for the lady and $25 for the room. I even hear they have re-installed actual beds in the rooms! I think these prices are fair for a strip club, even in San Jose.
[QUOTE=Marak5]I never saw this anywhere before but I saw guys splitting 10's in blackjack in costa rica??? very weird.[/QUOTE]
You haven't played in Vegas very much, have you? I see this way too frequently, and it drives me crazy. Most of the variants of Blackjack that I've seen in CR are a slightly different game. (Rummy, perhaps?) I don't know if they pay 3-2 for a BJ or not. I know they pay you extra for 3 7's, and have some other weird payouts.
The payment is even money for BJ.
I have seen people splitting 10's not only in Costa Rica, but also in Vegas, Atlantic City and anywhere and everywhere. There is no shortage of stupid people.
Bandy
There is a game called Rummy played in CR that is similar to Black jack. There are some basic differences. A black jack will pay one to one, if you make a 3 card strait or 3 of the same pays 3 to 1 (or 5 to 1 ??), you can hit after splitting aces, and you can surrender. There are few casinos you can play regular Black Jack (not Rummy) just ask the dealer. I know that at Fiesta Casino (by presidente hotel), Colonial Casino (by Del Rey), Hotel Costa Rica, and Paradiso Casino, regular Black Jack is available. Just try to be with the least number of people at the table as possible because even the basic strategy is forein for most Tico players and "uninteligent" plays are very common.
Happy huntings........
[QUOTE=Mr Jetsetter]I'm delighted to hear that Club Kamur is under new ownership and has instituted set rates for onsite chica sessions: $50 an hour for the lady and $25 for the room. I even hear they have re-installed actual beds in the rooms! I think these prices are fair for a strip club, even in San Jose.[/QUOTE]
I am not sure about this since I paid more than that at Kamur last night to party with one of the dancers, Roxanne. The house charged 50,000 colones and Roxanne 20,000 colones, about $140. This was for a room with a queen sized bed, television, bar, bathroom with shower. The $75 is probably for a room with only a couch or else I got my a** reamed big time.
In retrospect, I had one of my better sessions on this trip last night and, conversationally, she is pretty fun to talk, having a wide range of interest and a great personality. For those who are Spanish speaking challenged there is a tall girl working there named Monica who is bilingual since she is an American from LA.
the big thing i didnt like about rummy....is the dealer waits to take his hole card AFTER the last player is done hitting...if you have played alot of blackjack , you are now having to think about that last move also...when the dealer has a ace up....its seems like a 80% chance they will have bj...i have won at the bm..playing rummy but just go across the street or next door and you will find blackjack....my first 2 trips i got killed in everytype of gambling..either bj, rummy, dice, or sportsook...didnt matter i lost...however my last 2 trips were much better i like to play caribbeen stud porker at the b.m. its cheap and fun and on my last trip i hit 4 nines ...easy game to make friends and drink free...and you can make some cash at it....thedifference in costa rica....forget about comps.....very hard to get ...most i got , besides free drinks ...when i buy in at the b.m. at the carb. stud poker with 100.00 they will give me 1000c (about 2.00) for the bonus game ...when i got the 4 nines and took about 2000.00 us off the table and quit for the nite the gang of pit bosses were not to happy to say the least ...since i been drinking ...they guessed i stay on the tables and raise my bets ...but i knew it would never get any better than that hand...so that was the nite and the only time in my 4 trips that i spent more than 60.00 on one girl ..i spent 100.00 and i must say she was worth it.....
I just gotta give a shout-out for La Gran Via
Sure it isnt the most luxe place in SJ, but its clean, cheap, no chica fee.
But I really gotta hand it to the dude at the desk. I was juggling two Tica girlfriends, and they were calling the hotel and leaving messages. If I showed up with one chica and had messages from the other, He would be extremely discreet about giving the message to me. Hed either slip me a note with my key, or wait till I got to the elevator and call me back so I could give my chica the slip and quickly say the other chica called. He of course earned a tip.
When I was at Hotel Castillo, (nicer, quieter place, lil more expensive, no chica fee) last year Nov. 04, they did have a cute girl working the desk. One of my chicas "dropped in" unexpectedly while I was out and asked when I left, was I with a girl, and the desk girl blew my cover. Fortunately I was able to BS my way out of that. I cant hold it against the desk girl too much cuz one day a few of her amigas were hanging out with her at the desk and she said her friend thought I was hot and wanted to date me! (I love this country!)
IMHO Hotel Castillo is *somewhat* monger friendly, as long as you keep it on the down-low and after the eco-tourists have gone to bed. One more thing, breakfast "buffet" there is "Tipico Tico" which means hard-boiled eggs, gallo pinto, toast, fruit, juice and average coffee.
OD
[QUOTE=Johnny Sax]Hope it's okay that I post this in this forum; no one seems to be reading or replying in the Travel forum.
I am trying to save money to spend on girls, not on hotel bills. Which would you recommend, the La Gran Via or the Morazan? Both seem to be in the $50/night range. Of course the Morazan is closer to the action which is what I like about it but I've never stayed there. Is it noisy? Are there quiet "interior" or backside rooms? (I'm a light sleeper, once I finally do get around to using the bed for sleep...)
I have stayed at the La Gran Via and although the "ambiance" of the lobby leaves much to be desired, I found the rooms very nice, quiet, and clean enough, and I like the free breakfast, and I found the desk clerks to be honest and helpful.
Anyone have an opinion on which of these is best? Please say why.
Also, I'm open to other possibilities in this price range.[/QUOTE]
Sun Devil,
I read about Kamur's supposed new set rates on CRT. Maybe you have to let them know you are aware of them. You paid what I paid on my last visit there in July, when I sessioned with Sabrina in a room without a bed. Thanks for the info, and I will look into this matter further.
I thoroughly enjoyed a couple of sessions there last March with a lovely lady named Roxanna, a very slender and attractive woman who was a CRT "chica of the month." I'm wondering if this is the same individual you sessioned with. I actually posted a picture of her a couple of weeks ago in this "reports" section. Glad you had a good time!
I have a week of vacation time coming up in April including Good Friday and Easter Sunday and my question is this:
Being a Catholic country how quiet does San Jose and Costa Rica in general get during Easter week and particularly the Friday and the Sunday. I have been twice in the last year and love it, but obviously not particularly intrested in going if all the girls have gone home!!
Any advice would be apreciated.
I am headed down to San José for a few days of work. I have reviewed the last few months of posts, but still looking for some specific advice.
What I enjoy the most is a mid-level to a little bit dumpy of a strip club. I like to sit and chat-up the girls for an hour or so, before making my selection. My price range is around $50/hour for either the back room, or taking them back to my hotel for a couple of hours. Any recommendations guys? I don’t like the fancy, higher-class strip clubs.
I would like recommendations on a couple of casas (brothels/MPs) in the $30/hour range …… with beds and not those damn naugahyde massage tables. Again … I like the adventure of the mid- to lower-class places. Though not dangerous places or neighborhoods.
Can anyone give me more details on Oasis? Is this a strip club or an MP? What is the procedure at Oasis? Can you sit and visit with the girls for a while or do you have to make a pick immediately upon entering and you are swept back to a dumpy room? Are there any dancers at Oasis? What is the pricing structure?
You never hear anything about Key Largo any more? Can you pick up a decent looking girl there for $50 to take back to your hotel for a couple of hours?
Obviously, I speak fluent Spanish.
Noguera:
I have good and bad news about Oasis. It is a daytime MP. The bad news first, no beds, just the "naugahyde massage tables" The good is that the quality of chicas (IMHO) is among the best in San Jose and the price is approx. $20.00 per hour. I think it is one of the best overall places for your money. It is located away from the "Gringo Glut" but it is only a couple of bucks by taxi. I am sure you can negociate with the chicas and meet them for a good session at your hotel.
Another two places you may try are Zona Blue and New Fantasy. They are a daytime combination of MP/ Sauna / etc. They have nice rooms, sauna, meeting area(ZB), internet(ZB) drinks, etc. They are well within your budget and the selection is good (of course YMMV).
If you are for "mid-level to a little bit dumpy of a strip club" you do not find many at SJ but plain bars(no stripping) are pleantifull with beds in the places and if you "hablas Español" it is not goin to be difficult for you to be succesfull in your quest. The bars are nocturnal and the MP are diurnal.
Key Largo is a Bar/Dancehall/Restaurant with the twist, ALL girls in there are available. Is just like Del Rey without the casino and with dancing.
I forgot to mention that both MP's and bars prices fluctuate from $12.00 to $25.00 per hr session. You can go to the hi-end strip places but the prices are absurd for CR. Del Rey and Key Largo prices can vary from$35.00 to $100 depending on your charm and negotiating skills. Spanish speaking is helpfull.
Locations for the MP's and bars can be found in Dongordo.com and I think there are web sites listed in this forum. PM me if you need more info.
One think I need to find is a job that takes me to SJ like yours.
Happy huntings and "Buena Suerte compañero"
PS If you have an option in where to stay Sportsman's Lodge is a good option because it also offers companionship at good prices and is far from the noise and close to the action.
[QUOTE=Noguera] What is the procedure at Oasis? Can you sit and visit with the girls for a while or do you have to make a pick immediately upon entering and you are swept back to a dumpy room? Are there any dancers at Oasis? What is the pricing structure?
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First...you gotta be nice to the security guard....let him ring the bell to announce your arrival. He gets pissed if you ring the bell. I always slip him a couple of bucks just to make the dude smile and kiss my ass whenever I go there. It's the lowest price I've ever paid for ass kissing.
Second....Yes you have to pick right away. Once they let you in the girls will stand up for a few seconds. Not even a minute. To let you peruse, then they all sit down and go back to whatever the fuck they were doing before you got there.
Normal session is 10k colones. I used to interview them for the bbbj before going back, but one girl finally got tired of hearing my shit so she told me they all do bbbj for an extra 5k. So I pay the extra 5. Then I learned I can get anal for an extra 15k so I buy that too. At those prices I stay more than an hour. Sometimes I take two. Sometimes I pay for a couple of hours in advance for one. Sometimes I pay for one and if she isn't any good I tell her to go get me another one and I start with her and I never even leave the room. Once I finished a session but wasn't fulfilled so I said I wanted another one and they brought the whole fucking lineup into the room for me to choose all over again. On this occassion one girl volunteered that her and her girlfriend will suck each others pussy for you, but hell, I wasn't into paying for their fun. I was there for mine.
There are no dancing girls but they have radios in all the rooms so if you want her to dance just tell her to start dancing. It's your hour. I'm sure she'd rather dance than suck your dick.
No sitting around and bullshitting with the chicas. If your fave is busy and you wanna wait they give you chair in the lobby, but the girls don't come out to bullshit with you. I remember an occassion in another country when I asked one of the girls if they just talked.....she said...."Talk to your friends", lol....it's all business...
Oasis is a great place with fine, young babes. Harry the owner is a really pleasant guy that always ask how your session was and is genuinely interested in your repeat business. It's my second home when I am in San Jose.
NB
[QUOTE=SanJoseFan]I have a week of vacation time coming up in April including Good Friday and Easter Sunday and my question is this:
Being a Catholic country how quiet does San Jose and Costa Rica in general get during Easter week and particularly the Friday and the Sunday. I have been twice in the last year and love it, but obviously not particularly intrested in going if all the girls have gone home!!
Any advice would be apreciated.[/QUOTE]I heard this is the worst week of the year to go to CR!
Where is the best place in San Jose to buy Vitamin V? What should I expect to pay? I have a US prescription.
SanJoseFan:
Last year I was in SJ durring the same time you are planning to go. During Thursday and Good Friday, San Jose is dead. The only open places were the hotels and restaurants that caters to tourist. Calle central was deserted. I recommend for you to go to the beach or plan your site seen those two days. All other days is business as usual.
Good luck and happy hunting.........
Can anyone give me some more information on Pantera Rose? Tell me about the club and the quality of the girls. What is the pricing structure? Where is it located? I cannot find it on any of the SJO maps.
The same with Bar Idem. Is it a strip club or an MP? I would like more information on this locale as well.
Green Giant:
At the airport, inside terminal, before you reclaim your suitcase, there is pharmacy. No prescription needed. Reasonable price and nothing but authentic stuff. Buy vitamin V from there. Credit cards accepted.
Attached are two photos of a cutie named Gio, whom is Nicaragüense and hangs out at the Del Rey. Credit is given to Dodger Bulldog for the photos and his report on Gio back in October.
Has anyone seen Gio within the past few weeks? Does anyone have a cell number for her? I am headed down to San José next week and would like to meet her.
Nouguera,Bar Idem is more like an MP than strip club but has a bar and girls sit in a line up. You make you selection and take the girl for an hour to room at set price of about 21000 col if it hasn't changed. It is a very good place with nice talent and stays open til midnight. Pantera Rosa is a srtip club that is a local place with very nice talent.Prices are better than higher end places that cater more to gringos. Word is prices for 20 min in rooms by stage with sofa $40 and nicer rooms with bed for full hpur $100. Both places are highly reccomended.rbc100
Has anyone ever heard of these two strip clubs? Can you tell me more about them? Location, pricing, quality of girls?
Noguera,They are worth a visit.Legrillion is a local Strip club not cheap but not real expensive.Hour sessions are about $80 and private dances like $10 where extras may be negotiated but I just did a dance with a little play one time.They have good looking chicas.
De Pelufos has private dances but no rooms.I don't recall the price for dance but extras can be had.They have a good Lesbain Show and Sunday Night is a good time to go as less crowded with locals.If you get there early maybe a front row seat.They hvae some very hot girls and also worth a visit.No rooms for session so I understand .Not sure on take out.rbc100
Where are these two clubs located?
just in last six months since I was here, things have changed for worse. Last night the place was very crowded even at 2AM. Looks like girls have formed an union. No one would come down lower than $100 for an hour, 200 for three hours and 300 for overnight. Even at 2AM prices did not change. I wish someone will open a competing place with same type of setup.
Noguera,
Le Grillion is located at the corner of Calle 6 and Ave 6, on the other side of Parque Central not too much further than where the old Park Hotel used to be. Overall not a great area for walking around after dark though it's only 8 blocks diagonally from the HDR. Definitely take a cab.
D'Pelufo's isn't even within a distance you'd ever consider walking night-time or otherwise as it is all the way on the other side of San Pedro. It is about a block past the Munoz y Nanne in San Pedro which you can use as a reference for the cabbie if he doesn't know where D'Pelufo's is.
Just finished booking my flight for the 15th of march...wow airfare is out of sight...I will stay until the 22nd and i would like to hook up with some ISG and CRT members . Please give me a shout if anyone is in town during those dates,i like going to other places other than the B.M. and i am always ready for a new adventure. I pick these dates because of the NCAA hoops so most of my days will be in the sport book. Guess i will stay at the MORZAN cant go wrong there but i might see if there is any room at the sportsmens ...just to many great review about it not to give it a try. More girls i have done keep showing up on the 2 sites , not sure if i am just hitting the ones who let us take photos of them or the number of ladies are going down...TASTY1 REPORT was a little gloom or maybe he just had some bad luck...either way. i always look forward to my trip and hopes of finding more new places ..
Chilli Mike,I just miss you.I will be down March 22 to 27 and you are right,the best of San Jose is out of the Gulch.rbc100
Had a hilarious experience. Imagine a woman goes to her gynaecologist. He is doing pelvic exam and keeps on calling her vagina ¨pussy¨. Picked up this Tica called Adrianna. She was enthusiastic but kept it calling it Penis. Like, Baby I like your penis, Baby stick your penis in my vagina, etc. I could not help but laugh. I wanted to tell her, but afterwards when I tried to tell her, her phone rang. So, she is still walking around saying Penis when all I wanted was to stick my COCK in her PUSSY and not my penis in her vagina. Just goes to show you words with same meaning are not same.
This weekend will be in Costa Rica, any recommendations on good affordable cute locals with GFE and maybe some who might do BB (not overpriced wanna be palyboy centerfolds). PM me please with details and photos if available.
Thanks
Kamur , new rooms , USD 75 one hour, nice chicas. 3000 colones all you can drink. 4000 colones girls drinks.
So I gather that the new owners have imposed the new set of charges of $75. Hopefully there won't be a mass exodus of girls from this place due to that price. The last time I was there I paid double that amount.
I find it hard to believe that for 3000 colones you can drink all you want. I am supposing you meant 3000 for one drink.
[QUOTE=R Brandon] De Pelufos has private dances but no rooms.I don't recall the price for dance but extras can be had.They have a good Lesbain Show and Sunday Night is a good time to go as less crowded with locals.If you get there early maybe a front row seat.They hvae some very hot girls and also worth a visit.No rooms for session so I understand .Not sure on take out.rbc100[/QUOTE]
They have some little booths where you can do the private show. I think they have just a curtain that pulls across them.
And make sure to volunteer for the stage show. It's a lot of fun.
I was going to do a really organized report but I just don't have time, so this will have to do. I'm just going to do it off the top of my head and try to cover a lot of ground, so bear with me. There will be massage parlor and ***** house reviews as well as hotel reviews and comments:
I used to LOVE New Fantasy so my first stop was there, around 8pm on Sunday night. I looked in, there were 4 girls on the bench behind the one way mirror and I made up a story about looking for "Carla" and said "Oh, she isn't here any more?" and left.
Went down to Zona Blue and it was my 2nd time seeing the place but my first time having a session there. What a session I had! I had 2 girls, lesbians, Palmera, a cute blonde who is truly a lezbo, and her "girlfriend", sorry I don't remember her name right now (Elena?) who is very bi. Both are bi, but the brunette was much more into cock, though both liked it. See my photo in the Photos section (yes, only one, my camera ran out of batteries right on that shot! and I had none with me!). Anyway, it was one of the best hours I've ever spent in my life, a dream come true: true 3-way action with 2 lesbians who like cock. Again, see my report on this session in the photos section.
Stayed the first nights at the Morazan. I think this hotel is very over-rated. I mean SOME of the rooms are very nice, but others are sorely lacking. My friend's room stunk of something like sewer, and another one I had there smelled very musty, another one very smokey. One night my toilet clogged and I did NOT put that much into it. The fat guy at the desk is very pushy and always scamming you to make an extra buck, grabbing your bags out of your hand to carry them for you, pushing you to a $15 taxi when you could get one for $12, etc... Raising the price of a room to $50 because they are "short on rooms", and crap like that. This is not the more respectable looking fat guy who seems like the manager, and is a nice guy, but the other guy who seems like a combo bell-buoy 2nd string manager. The guy pissed me off several times. But mostly I think the rooms are very inconsistent. Oh, and many did not have a safe in them, or else it had a safe yet they lost the key and had not replaced it yet. I am going to join CRT and stay at the Presidente next time.
Next stop was the Del Rey/ Key Largo and let me say that there is still just an incredible amount of talent there, and if you play the game slowly and carefully you can score some great deals in there. I never payed more than $60 for a girl, and it was fun hanging out there, looking at all the candy available and finally choosing one.
There are 2 types of guys, guys who just want to go into a place like Idem or Zona Blue and get a girl and get right down to it, and guys who like to hang out and look and think about it and maybe share a few drinks and a few dances before getting down to bidnez. I like both methods. Sometimes I like the former, other times the latter. My friend only likes the hang out and finally choose one method, unfortunately so I always had to go to the MP's on my own.
I went to New Fantasy 2 nights to look in because I really love the whole sauna then shower then bed, then shower thing, and the no bullshit pricing and full hour you get there. However, both times I went there were only 4 girls to choose from and not one that I'd pay more than $20-30. They just didn't turn me on, so I left.
One night I went to Zona Blue (2nd time) after NF and they also had no selection because it was late in the evening. I talked to the Asian bartender and decided I'd have to come back another time.
Three nights I went to Idem around 9-10pm. The first night, there was only 4-5 girls available, not with guys at tables, or in the back, and I liked one but she was just sitting there playing her cell phone game, so I finally said "FU" and left. Are they there to play games or fuck?
Went a 2nd night and was taken by a lovely dark eyed girl but she seemed very shy and before I could get her over to me, a luscious blonde Tica became available and I grabbed her. Sex upstairs was pretty good but she lacked enthusiasm. That is, she faked it and I could tell she was faking. But she sucked pretty good and I banged her hard from behind for quite a long time until I thought she was going to get sore.
I never made it over to Oasis though I wanted to. I was busy during the days and it is hard for me to get over to these massage parlor places during prime time in the afternoons.
Went back to Idem a 3rd time and there were a couple pretty nice ones, but I just wasn't in the mood. I was showing a friend the place and I just went in for a drink. No one that really grabbed me, so I left. Overall, I'd say the girls of Idem are about 50% 6's, 25% 7's, 20% 8's and 5% 9's. The one I got was a good 8 in looks. But in sex she was only a 6 or 7. Overall it's worth going to, but I wish New Fantasy had better quality girls; if it did, it would be my favorite MP.
La Gran Via : another hotel that's gone way down hill. My shower had no cold water, so the hot was so hot that I had to stand to the side of it and use my arms to splash water on me. Also had a big problem with laundry. I asked the desk guy "will we for SURE get this laundry back by this evening?" and he assured me we would. I then put a note in espanol on the clothes on the bed which said "IF this will be back by tonight, wash it; if not, don't wash it". Well, you guessed it, we were set to leave early the next morning and the clothes never got back until around 8am which made us late. The desk guy blamed it on the maid. A very costly mistake as we had to leave on a later bus and got to our destination very late that night as a result. I liked the Gran Via a lot last year when I stayed there, when there was an older guy at the desk. This year neither the room nor the service was very good.
Key Largo is returning to its hey-days of the 90's. The live music really brings in the girls and once it gets going, around 10 or so, the place is hopping and the music really helps get the girls loose, and it's fun to dance with them. The back room tends to attract the older women and the dogs for some reason which is too bad because it's a nice mellower room to hang out and had by far the sexiest bartenders. One was so cute I wanted to jump across the bar and drag her back to my hotel.
(Does anyone ever pick up the bartenders in these places? Is it really possible? If so I bet they want a lot of dough...)
Oh, we went into Josephine's. What a fucking rip off! As soon as we were told it was $15 to buy a chick a drink (even though it supposedly includes a lap dance) we walked right out. Clip joint. And the girls weren't all that, either.
Club Monaco. It's a strip joint now, they moved the bar and put a pole in the back. I had a GREAT time there last year, got a fantastic little thin Nica for $20 upstairs who was VERY enthusiastic. But this time around the place was so deserted that we were scared to hang out in there. It's in one of the worst neighborhoods and my friend didn't want to risk it, and I wouldn't go there by myself unless I saw other gringos in there, which I did not.
Eating: Tin Jo is a rip off. Super high prices and the food was mediocre and the service downright lousy. I'll never go there again.
The News Cafe is high, but such a great breakfast buffet it's worth it. If you are a CRT member you can get the buffet free and that is what I will do next time out.
Do NOT go to the restaurant across from the News cafe'. There's a reason no one is in there. Lousy service, the waiter did not get the order right and then tried to blame me, and the food was just crappy.
Vishnu behind the Gran Hotel de Costa Rica is a very good low budget healthy choice. Vegetarian but you get rice, an entree, salad, juice and flan or ice cream for about $3.75 I think it was, and it's all healthy and they are very clean and give great service.
Taco Bell SUCKS. If you like Taco Bell in the U.S., (I happen to like some of their stuff, though much of it is too greasy/heavy) you probably won't like the CR version. Don't know how they can fuck up a bean and cheese burrito, but they do.
Oh, and back to mongering... Those hot chicks behind the Holiday Inn? they are guys in drag, some with hormones, and a couple might fool even the best and most sober of us, but you can be sure if they are in that area, they are chicks with dicks. Be careful as a group of them came over to me as I was walking back from Zona Blue and I know they were going to attempt to pickpocket me or worse. I just increased my gait and got the hell out of there before they had the chance. One time last year I had to threaten them with my mace to ward them off, which, by the way, you can buy in the sporting goods store just down from Vishnu.
So that's it for now. If I think of anything else I'll write it later.
Next trip I'm definitely going to get over to Oasis... and maybe Pantera...
The girl that you had the lezbo experience at Zona Blue, Pamela, used to work at Oasis about a year ago. She is one of the more popular girls at ZB because of the PSE she provides.
A sister of hers, Laura, still works at Oasis and she is one of the more kinkier girls at that place. Too bad a girl named Johanna is no longer working at Oasis or Zona Blue. According to Laura, she got herself pregnant and is raising a baby. Maybe she will be back in service soon.
My experience at New Fantasy resembled yours. I did not find any really attractive girls there when I went during Super Bowl weekend.
However, I had a good experience with the dancers at Pantera Rosa and Kamur. I would recommend those two places after the massage parlors close. Apparently, one can get an hour of FS at Kamur for $75 now, a discount of the $140 I paid last month, and I only paid $40 or $50 for FS at Pantera Rosa while I was there.
I will test Kamur's price structure when I go back to SJO during the first 2 rounds of the NCAA tournament. By the way, does anyone know where I can place bets on these games, perhaps the Morazan?
No, not the good kind of bums, as in the ones you pound from behind after grabbing some 19 year old from the Del Rey...
I'm talking about the bums that are increasingly a problem in Gringo Gulch and Avenida Central just down from the Del Rey. It used to be, you'd hardly see a bum in San Jose' and what few there were, were usually women with children, sitting on the street outside a church with a cup. I gave to them willingly and generously at times.
As someone who's been visiting San Jose since 1992, I am really disappointed in how bad it's getting, not with old women in need of money for food, but with young men and women wanting money to buy crack with.
Every single time you come out of the Del Rey or Key Largo to cross the street to the other bar, nowadays, or when you go back to your hotel, you are literally besieged by about 5-6 crack addicts, mostly the same ones, who thrust their cups into your face and will not take no for an answer. It got so bad I finally started just yelling "NO!" at them in a gruff voice; it seemed the only way to get them to stop following me and shoving that damned cup in my face.
Now, I am not a hard-hearted person; If these were people needing food, I would be glad to give to them. Or if they politely asked and then accepted "no" as no, I might have more sympathy the next time around. But these are very aggressive crack addicts who are just going to take any money you give them and go buy rock with it, smoke the rock and then just be right back out there asking for more.
I am calling on all fellow mongers to start complaining to the Management of the Del Rey and Key Largo, and to the powers that be in San Jose', to do something about this problem. It's really annoying and there is no reason why we should have to tolerate these addicts in our faces night after night.
The Del Rey certainly has some political influence and they should talk to the local police chief about taking some of the money we tourists bring in to San Jose' and putting a cop on duty around Gringo Gulch at night, to watch over us in general, and to keep these crack addict scumbags out of our hair.
Just my 2 cents.
it's not free if you are a CRT member. If you are staying at the Presidente, its free. Otherwise, you have to pay whether you are a crt member or not.
I have also eaten at Tin jo and thought it was excellent and worth it. I had the tin jo special for 4500 colones and it was great. thats about $9. a beer was 700 colones. very good asian food and near idem.
My 2 cents worth
[QUOTE=Johnny Sax]No, not the good kind of bums, as in the ones you pound from behind after grabbing some 19 year old from the Del Rey...
I'm talking about the bums that are increasingly a problem in Gringo Gulch and Avenida Central just down from the Del Rey. It used to be, you'd hardly see a bum in San Jose' and what few there were, were usually women with children, sitting on the street outside a church with a cup. I gave to them willingly and generously at times.
As someone who's been visiting San Jose since 1992, I am really disappointed in how bad it's getting, not with old women in need of money for food, but with young men and women wanting money to buy crack with.
Every single time you come out of the Del Rey or Key Largo to cross the street to the other bar, nowadays, or when you go back to your hotel, you are literally besieged by about 5-6 crack addicts, mostly the same ones, who thrust their cups into your face and will not take no for an answer. It got so bad I finally started just yelling "NO!" at them in a gruff voice; it seemed the only way to get them to stop following me and shoving that damned cup in my face.
Now, I am not a hard-hearted person; If these were people needing food, I would be glad to give to them. Or if they politely asked and then accepted "no" as no, I might have more sympathy the next time around. But these are very aggressive crack addicts who are just going to take any money you give them and go buy rock with it, smoke the rock and then just be right back out there asking for more.
I am calling on all fellow mongers to start complaining to the Management of the Del Rey and Key Largo, and to the powers that be in San Jose', to do something about this problem. It's really annoying and there is no reason why we should have to tolerate these addicts in our faces night after night.
The Del Rey certainly has some political influence and they should talk to the local police chief about taking some of the money we tourists bring in to San Jose' and putting a cop on duty around Gringo Gulch at night, to watch over us in general, and to keep these crack addict scumbags out of our hair.
Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]
Understand this feeling with the beggars and con-men in the gulch. As far as complaining to the management at the pink palace, it will not do any good, the managemant at the Del Rey is only concerned with money, the beggars will also hit you up outside the Presidnete, but they know better than to set one foot on presidente's property. The politicians in san jose obviously do not care about this problem,thus this is another main reason why i avoid san Jose, like the plague.
Unlike our system in the US where 25-30% of our tax dollars go to the welfare system, Costa Rica Doesn't have a welfare program, or shall I say they do, but it is operated by the church (catholic) and the strong family structure to help their own needy family members.
SO,........... a few fall through the cracks and wind up on the street where they are doing the things we don't like to see or support.
at least the government of Costa Rica isn't Taking billions of their populations tax dollars and using it for graft, corruption, cronyism and ineffective federal programs.
loosen up a couple of bucks once and a while and maybe these individuals will live long enough to get the wake up call and be productive citizens
[QUOTE=Member #2666]Unlike our system in the US where 25-30% of our tax dollars go to the welfare system, Costa Rica Doesn't have a welfare program, or shall I say they do, but it is operated by the church (catholic) and the strong family structure to help their own needy family members.
SO,........... a few fall through the cracks and wind up on the street where they are doing the things we don't like to see or support.
at least the government of Costa Rica isn't Taking billions of their populations tax dollars and using it for graft, corruption, cronyism and ineffective federal programs.
loosen up a couple of bucks once and a while and maybe these individuals will live long enough to get the wake up call and be productive citizens[/QUOTE]
Wrong Answer- Ignore the beggars. If you cave in to them, more and more of them will show up. Also if you cave into them, then you ruin it for all other gringos, for then they will bother the hell out of all of us, sorry to sound callous but the best way to treat them is to ignore them, or to kindly, but with a firm voice say "no". We do not want to have a reputation as "easy targets"..
I agree with MJG Dogs. Having lived in major cities most of my life, it is best NOT to give any monies to street persons. Continue to do so, and I will guarantee that more will show up in the area. We are not running a philanthropy here.
Why be an enabler for alcoholism & other addictions. Why pay the price for someone's lifetime of "mistakes" & wrong decisions at every turn. Let them pay the price & serve as examples to younger people about taking on some self responsibility & learning that one way or another you do pay a price in life for how you've lived.
To me the CR "welfare" system (or lack thereof) is far preferable to what we have here. They don't encourage parasitism, we do. We take tax dollars from people who work hard & live pretty much right & end up buying bottles of Mad-Dog 20-20 (et al) for people who really don't need any more to drink.
Seems to me that do-gooders just want to feel good about themselves, they
don't really care about the "down-trodden" or else they'd be drying them out instead of liquoring them up.
Just my humble opinion & I've been known to be WRONG!
[QUOTE=Amerioca]I agree with MJG Dogs. Having lived in major cities most of my life, it is best NOT to give any monies to street persons. Continue to do so, and I will guarantee that more will show up in the area. We are not running a philanthropy here.[/QUOTE]
Sorry BUT:
I don't think so,
Unlike our privileged, greedy and lazy "new society" , the Costa Rican people still maintain a work ethic probably not unlike that of our parents. They want and expect to do a reasonable amount work to live in the style they can and are self reliant and proud enough not want or expect a handout.
Of course there exceptions such as the former Presidents of the country and the crack heads we see around the gulch.
I don't believe the typical street person we see in Costa Rica is like those in the states.
They are truly the bottom of the socio-economic and emotion barrel.
In the states a lot of what we support with our taxes and whom we see on the streets and in the political offices are truly freeloaders who are just too friggin lazy to go to work.
Member # 2666-
Why you may be correct about the entitlement class in the states, most of the beggars in the gulch are crack addicts or con-men. Of course If i see an older lady sitting on the curb that may be very ill or very tired and frail, I will give her some colones. I do not have a problem with these people, in fact i feel empathy for them.They are not aggressive or in your face.
The ones I have problems with in the gulch are the aggressive ones whom do not leave you alone, and can get physical and hostile. I also cannot stand Oscar, Glen , The lady who dresses up like a nurse, the shoeshine guys and the cigar guys that sell you the three and four year old cigars. the problem is some guys befriend them and then it ruins it for everyone else. One you give these monsters anything, you are marked. In fact I got into a shouting match with one of my best friends because of that fucking rasta man Glen. Glen assumed I was an easy mark also. Heed my warning. Guys, DO NOT ENGAGE THIS LATER GROUP UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.
Sun Devil,
If you want to place some action see Bill at the Sportsmens Lodge and he can handle it for you. Or the DR or Morazan.
Myself: "If it wasn't for bad luck I wouldn't no luck at all" ...ergo I gamble on the chicas !!
Nipster
on my last trip i got to meet #2666 and he took the time out to show me some of san jose that i had never seen and himself and his wing man were cool to me ....as i was alone and they offered me some gringo company which i am very thankfull of.Not only did i have a blast with them but i learned a lesson, as i for one didnt like the beggars or street people coming up on me, but he showed me a different side of how a american can act to people with less than us....i was maybe with them for about a hour and we were going from bar to bar in a cab...yes i was drunk and acting like a fool and i seen some street people and i yelled at them and some beggars came up on us...well i said some stuff like " i hate these assholes begging and "get the fuck away from me" but really he takes some time with them ...maybe gives a little but what i thought was cool " he treated them like humans " and it changed the way i look at them ...what i came away with ,was these guys understood san jose and i was going to make this my new vacation site ...
Just wanted to give some fellow members a heads up on what happen on tuesday about 1am ( i got this info from a crt member, from the site) but he was robbed of 600.00 that he had in his front pocket as he was walking from the presidente hotel to the delray (he had a tica with him) as he was walking up the hill 2 men came up on him and his tica and show him a machete and as he saidTHEY hit him on his chest (he was wearing a leather jacket , that saved him from being cut) and ripped his 600.00 in cash out of his front pocket and told his tica to run, which she did. He is ok , thank god, and no one came to his aid even though there were 2 police men up the street and a few people as always standing out front of the del ray. I have always walked back to the morazon from the dr and key largo late at nite ...what is it maybe 1or 2 min. walk but it does have me thinking .....that area he got hit at has always gave me the creeps as that hill is steep and walking up it give a crook a clear edge , with them walking down towards you , plus there are alot of alleys and little places to hide ..i will walk in the middle of that street even during the day if no traffic ,many things have been said about the tica being in on it to the police being in on it....but all just guesses so far. He said he gambles at the casinos and goes to alot of them . so there are many angles of why he got robbed or just unlucky..with my next trip in lest than 10 days away..i am taking a few extra bucks for cab rides for after dark...that could of been me , and knowing myself ..i would of been that dumb guy who would of fought them...
[QUOTE=ChiliMike]Just wanted to give some fellow members a heads up on what happen on tuesday about 1am ( i got this info from a crt member, from the site) but he was robbed of 600.00 that he had in his front pocket as he was walking from the presidente hotel to the delray (he had a tica with him) as he was walking up the hill 2 men came up on him and his tica and show him a machete and as he saidTHEY hit him on his chest (he was wearing a leather jacket , that saved him from being cut) and ripped his 600.00 in cash out of his front pocket and told his tica to run, which she did. He is ok , thank god, and no one came to his aid even though there were 2 police men up the street and a few people as always standing out front of the del ray. I have always walked back to the morazon from the dr and key largo late at nite ...what is it maybe 1or 2 min. walk but it does have me thinking .....that area he got hit at has always gave me the creeps as that hill is steep and walking up it give a crook a clear edge , with them walking down towards you , plus there are alot of alleys and little places to hide ..i will walk in the middle of that street even during the day if no traffic ,many things have been said about the tica being in on it to the police being in on it....but all just guesses so far. He said he gambles at the casinos and goes to alot of them . so there are many angles of why he got robbed or just unlucky..with my next trip in lest than 10 days away..i am taking a few extra bucks for cab rides for after dark...that could of been me , and knowing myself ..i would of been that dumb guy who would of fought them...[/QUOTE]
Maybe he got cased in the casino. Always take a taxi after 11:00 or so, even from the Pink Palace to the Presidente. In fact I would not put it past one of the employees in the casino to have his or her friends roll this guy.
Never walk alone. And never expect any help from the Police or the locals. Many of them hate our guts, including the street people. Avodi the street people , do not befriend them. Fuck them.
Also Chilli, Do not get hammered why in san Jose, the street people tend to prey on the drunkin gringo. be smart take a cab, and enjoy yourself.
I am wondering did anyone else know he had $600.00 in his pocket?
Kid Cisco
Chilimike,
A few minor points. First, not that it matters, but it was him that told his chica to run, not the robbers. Secondly, he was walking DOWN the hill from the HDR casino back to the Prez with his chica, not the other way as you described it, though that street has some dark nooks at night that would give me the willies in either direction. This might not matter either but I think the walk is more dangerous in that direction because it is right outside the HDR doors that they mark you.
Kid Cisco,
That we will probably never know. For what its worth, they did go straight for the pocket that happened to have the money in it. Also, was it just bad luck that the one time he got hit in all the times he has made that walk was the time he had a lot of dough? Your guess is as good as mine.
MJG Dogs,
I agree with most of your points, but not completely.
It could have been a HDR employee that set him up. But it is just as likely if not more so, that it was any number of people that hang around that hotel. Need I remind everyone that all the girls are private contractors who don't have to worry about being fired (theres always fresh meat coming in) and some of them have a very bad reputation in terms of drug or gambling problems that they need to support, rolling drunken gringos or even drugging them themselves, and any other number of scams (a huge part of the reason I increasingly don't like the place). Also, while the security keeps the street trash out, a few ticos get in and it could have been a tip-off from one of them.
Then there are the street people outside the door. I couldn't agree with you more. Its beyond me why so many gringos feel sorry for them and give them money. Or feel guilty and give them money. Or pay them off just to be rid of them. Maybe SOME of them end up there due to circumstances that are beyond their control, but not many. Unemployment in CR, is fairly small and while honest jobs might not pay much most people can get them if they're willing to work for a living and they're not not drug or alcohol addicted. Besides, whether they could work or not, that doesn't make it any of our problem and even paying one of them encourages all the rest. In general at the very least they are a huge nuisance and at worst a distraction in which other more evilly intentioned ones can mask themselves and far too often strike when we let down our guard. And we can never REALLY be sure which is which or who is who.
Finally, re: your last comment, it is easy to sluff off the cases of robbery as someone acting foolishly or getting too drunk. While that might be true in most or at least many cases, it lulls us into thinking "if I keep my wits about me it won't happen to me". Well it can happen to any of us, even if we always do everything right and lets face it even if we're good there will be times when anyone can slip up. In this case, the monger in question made the unfortunate error of thinking it was always safe before it would be safe this time. He hadn't been drinking, he had a wingperson (albeit just a chica who may or may not have been in on it), there were people around (unfortunately some of the wrong people) and it wasn't that late. Carrying large amounts of cash is always a big no-no but what are you going to do if you just won a large amount at the casino? Easy answer: take a cab for the lousy 2 blocks even if you wouldn't normally under other circumstances. Unfortunately, I know people who have been hit right outside the hotel door, so even taking a cab is no absolute guarantee.
[QUOTE=MJG Dogs]Wrong Answer- Ignore the beggars. If you cave in to them, more and more of them will show up. Also if you cave into them, then you ruin it for all other gringos, for then they will bother the hell out of all of us, sorry to sound callous but the best way to treat them is to ignore them, or to kindly, but with a firm voice say "no". We do not want to have a reputation as "easy targets"..[/QUOTE]
Right. And besides, as I pointed out, these are not people who are hungry and want to eat, these are people who are crack addicts and want to get high - again and again... By giving them money you are only perpetuating their addiction.
Even homeless advocates here in the states say that one should not give money to beggars, as most will just use it for drugs or alcohol. That is why they have food programs here.
My buddy and I got accosted by some American guy in San Jose' last year. He was very persistent so we agreed to buy him food, as we were on our way to McDonalds. He took the food "to go" and then hit us up for cash. It was the money he was after. I guarantee you he either tried to sell the food to someone who had a little coin, or else he threw it away. He was a crack addict, I could see it in his eyes, and he had no interest in food.
[QUOTE=Johnny Sax]Right. And besides, as I pointed out, these are not people who are hungry and want to eat, these are people who are crack addicts and want to get high - again and again... By giving them money you are only perpetuating their addiction.
Even homeless advocates here in the states say that one should not give money to beggars, as most will just use it for drugs or alcohol. That is why they have food programs here.
My buddy and I got accosted by some American guy in San Jose' last year. He was very persistent so we agreed to buy him food, as we were on our way to McDonalds. He took the food "to go" and then hit us up for cash. It was the money he was after. I guarantee you he either tried to sell the food to someone who had a little coin, or else he threw it away. He was a crack addict, I could see it in his eyes, and he had no interest in food.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like Oscar. Oscar hangs out with his famous line" need anything man", "need anything man". be wary of this guy,if this is the same guy, he is trouble. He was actually deported from the United States and actually wanted me to contact his mother, who is somewhere in the san fernando valley, I live in manhattan beach. I politely lied to him and said that I had moved to Miami.
[QUOTE=Chase Star]Chilimike,
A few minor points. First, not that it matters, but it was him that told his chica to run, not the robbers. Secondly, he was walking DOWN the hill from the HDR casino back to the Prez with his chica, not the other way as you described it, though that street has some dark nooks at night that would give me the willies in either direction. This might not matter either but I think the walk is more dangerous in that direction because it is right outside the HDR doors that they mark you.[/quote]
I would be willing to bet 10 to 1 that he showed what he had to someone in one of the casinos - going for money under his belt - and someone there set him up.
I do not think it is dangerous for the average person to walk from the Del Rey to the Presidente. I think this is just being overly cautious and that is fine if you choose to be that way; but I choose not to. I've been going to San Jose' for 14 years or so and have walked through a lot worse neighborhoods with money and never had one problem.
[QUOTE=Chase Star]
Kid Cisco,
That we will probably never know. For what its worth, they did go straight for the pocket that happened to have the money in it. Also, was it just bad luck that the one time he got hit in all the times he has made that walk was the time he had a lot of dough? Your guess is as good as mine.[/quote]
Again, just my educated opinion, but I don't see this as much of a guess, it's a sure thing someone knew and someone set him up.
[QUOTE=Chase Star]
It could have been a HDR employee that set him up. But it is just as likely if not more so, that it was any number of people that hang around that hotel. Need I remind everyone that all the girls are private contractors who don't have to worry about being fired (theres always fresh meat coming in) and some of them have a very bad reputation in terms of drug or gambling problems that they need to support, rolling drunken gringos or even drugging them themselves, and any other number of scams (a huge part of the reason I increasingly don't like the place). [/quote]
You make a good point here. It is getting worse. It ain't as mellow as it was in 1992.
[QUOTE=Chase Star]
Finally, re: your last comment, it is easy to sluff off the cases of robbery as someone acting foolishly or getting too drunk. While that might be true in most or at least many cases, it lulls us into thinking "if I keep my wits about me it won't happen to me". Well it can happen to any of us, even if we always do everything right and lets face it even if we're good there will be times when anyone can slip up.[/QUOTE]
I disagree here. I think it CAN happen to any of us at any time, but it is unlikely to, even in today's climate of more intensity around Gringo Gulch. I still think if one conducts oneself carefully one is very unlikely to be robbed or hurt. I would never carry $600 around there, and while I don't know for sure he revealed his secret stash to anyone, I am willing to bet he did. Surely the Tica knew of it as she watched him dress; and she could have called someone and set it up. I think it is more likely someone in the casino. But the bottom line is I would BET that someone knew of the money and someone set him up. It was not a random incident as you describe they went straight for the money.
But this goes back to my comments about the addicts hanging around there - that the police should be forced to do something. You might be surprised what some letters to the editors of Tico Times and La Nacion etc. might accomplish. If it is portrayed that he was gambling, not mongering, which is the truth if not the whole truth, it might do some good to publish this and comment on how there is no police protection in the area, and addicts are allowed to congregate there. I really think the area needs some police protection. It could get to the point where they are put on the State Dept. list of undesirable places to travel to, and THAT would hurt their pocketbooks! Mexico City was hurt by it, and it hurt them somewhat when those people were killed over on the Caribe side 10 years or so ago. I think we should make a point of publishing this incident and asking for some police presence there. Just my 2 cents. If nothing else it might drive away some tourists, which would lower the price of pussy! ;-) Just kidding. But I do think it is unacceptable that they don't have any police out there, when we and our gambling brethren bring so much money into Costa Rica. How else are those girls going to make ends meet? I know my 2 favorite girls were students who were paying for their schooling via their part-time work at the BM.
"It is not as mello in San Jose as it was in 1992"
WOW. What a statement. Can I quote you?
How about New York? L.A.? Iran?
Common since tells anyone not to walk around late at night ; FAT, Short of Breath, LARGE WADS of CASH in any pocket, DRUNK, Bulging Wallet ( with xxx # credit cards), Rolex, Gold Chains and rings. You get the idea.
I for one have been out many nights between 1 - 4. You see a lot. And I enjoy seeing it from my taxi going from bar to bar.
I have also been warned by every doorman and taxi driver of the areas that are "muy peligroso" Dangerous as we drive around. I say Grasias.Try some of the "Short Cuts" the taxi drives thru. Wow. Interesting sightseeing at 1 or 2 in the morning.
I'm there to have fun. I realize its a city. One that is as dangerous as any in the U.S., Europe or any large city any where.
With that said. Has anyone seen Fatima (DR & KL)( had a baby in December)lately???????????
Johnny,
Who do you think you are, parsing my post that way? Prolijo! Thats something I might have done. Actually, you misconstrued most of what I wrote. So let me take it point by point this time.
Re: my comments to ChiliMike on that stretch of road being dangerous. I said it was [b]more[/b] dangerous to walk from the HDR that way (or from the HDR to anywhere for that matter) than it is to walk to it, ie I was speaking relatively. Your comment about it being 10-to-1 that someone there set him up only supports that view.T he reason is that is most often the place where these guys latch on to us. They know most of us carry for the girls and might be a little drunk leaving a bar (guys leave the chica cash in the safe back at your room and open that safe only when you are done). Its also where they can find a concentration of gringos. Its for much the same reason that there are so many beggars at that location too and that doesn't help matters either, making it easier for the crooks to operate. Of course, they can also target us out anywhere in the Gulch or elsewhere as well. I just think the nature of the area outside the HDR with all its distractions make it just a little more likely. The key difference in this case is that it is easier to shake them if you are walking INTO the HDR than it is if you are walking out.
Secondly, while I maintain that stretch of road can be dangerous (the number of recent muggings in that area bear me out) I never said it was so dangerous to recommend against it for the average guy. Certainly not during the day and probably not at night either as long as he is not stinking drunk and/or carrying excessive cash.
Thirdly, while I'm not about to stop walking that road at this time after dark, it still gives me a little bit of the willies, what with the shadowed recesses along the way and all. If it doesn't give anyone else the willies, walking it after dark then they are being overly confident or oblivious. Even though I'll walk it after dark, its not so safe that one shouldn't keep on their toes. Later at night, I always walk it briskly and in the center of the road scanning the area before me and occasionally behind me as I go.
BTW, while I'm covering your comments in this area, I should add what you did 14 years ago in SJ has very little relevance today. You may have walked places a thousand times before with nary an incident. I've done a lot of walking too, even after midnight, and have been fortunate enough to have never been hit. That doesn't mean it won't happen. The situation is getting worse all the time and what we could do in the past vs. what we should do today is rapidly changing.
Re: my comments to Cisco, I'd be willing to bet [b]20 to 1[/b] that he was marked as target. My comment is that we "will probably never know". I should have clarified that by adding "with absolute certainty". However, I thought my subsequent comments on that subject would have revealed where I would place my bet. Its never a sure thing though this one has to be pretty close.
Re: your last comments, I don't know what you're disagreeing with. We BOTH believe it can happen to anyone at anytime. Sure it is less likely, maybe even unlikely, to happen to someone who uses common sense precautions. My point was that saying "oh, he must have drunk" or "oh, he must have flashed his cash" as an excuse (essentially blaming the victim in EVERY case) lulls us into thinking it is unlikely to happen to us. BTW, how do you win $600 at blackjack surreptitiously? Unless he hid in a bathroom stall while stashing his money, something I'm not so sure is that great an idea either, anyone who saw him win and had bad intentions was bound to be watching him very closely. He should have taken a cab period and probably even had the security guys escort him to it. The problem was that he thought like you "oh, I've always walked that short stretch beforewith money and never had a problem". Yes, if we conduct ourselves carefully it is much less likely, but it only takes for us to slip up once to become part of the statistics.
This may seem like fear mongering to you and maybe it is. At the very least no one could be happy at the direction things are going and if we don't start raising alarm bells the powers that be aren't going to do squat to do anything about it. Only when it starts hitting their own bottom line will they be likely to act.
One more thing. A hundred Colon coin is Less then 20 cents USD.
Think about that the next time you pass by someone less fortunate then you.
[QUOTE=Member #2964]One more thing. A hundred Colon coin is Less then 20 cents USD.
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Yea good point. 2964
you guys are thinking too much about parting with a few cents and how you can change the world by being a cheap bastard or how they should change their lives for your conveniences of not having to listen to them or walk around them.
If ya'll are so cause driven start working on the air pollution that you breath while spewing out all your self righteous crap.
[QUOTE=Member #2666]Yea good point. 2964
you guys are thinking too much about parting with a few cents and how you can change the world by being a cheap bastard or how they should change their lives for your conveniences of not having to listen to them or walk around them.
If ya'll are so cause driven start working on the air pollution that you breath while spewing out all your self righteous crap.[/QUOTE]
Jeez, how many times do we have to say it: It isn't ABOUT THE MONEY. It's about not encouraging these ADDICTS to hang out and pester us to death just so they can go get high again and again.
I DO give to women sitting with their hand out, almost every time, sometimes $1-5 U.S..
Helping crack addicts get their next hit is not helping anyone, least of all those who keep smoking it, and not us who have to put up with them throwing their cup up in our face and begging "Please, please!", either.
So if you understand that point and still think you should give them money, then let me say "Let's agree to disagree on this".
It could have also been an inside job. The first time I ever took a chica to the beach (1989), she mentioned during the trip that a "friend" of hers had wanted her to bring me some place so he could rip me off, and they would split the money.
Intelligently, she knew she could get more in the long run from me directly. However, some chicas are not so forward thinking.
I've walked in much worse neighborhoods that the one where this happened. However, I often have a local Tico friend with me who can watch my back. I also don't drink or carry large amounts of money with me.
If you're handing out $1-$5 each time you pass them, then you're supporting that person, and perhaps their whole family. Or maybe buying their liquor, or buying drugs for their handlers.
Some of the panhandlers may be in a group that works together. I know in other countries (Thailand in particular), that some of the gangs run panhandling groups, and they'll get amputees, and kids to panhandle.
I have some rural families in Costa Rica that I help every school year. I drive out and bring school clothes, notebooks, plus basic food staples. There are about 10 kids in the main family I help. No electricity, no running water, no indoor plumbing, no car and no phone.
The father and the oldest son turned a 6 hectare piece of land into producing farm in less than a year. Plantains and many other cash producing crops are now going good. All the school age kids are actually going to school, with 2 actually in high school for the first time in his family.
I'm much rather give my money to something that I can see the results of. It's not going for booze or drugs, and helps a real family a little bit.
I've also donated a little to Jackson's Charity Fund in Argentina, and gone with them as they brought clothing, and the monthly check for the kid's lunch kitchens that they support. I think just a few dollars feeds a kid for the whole month. It may be the only good meal they get.
[QUOTE=Chase Star]Johnny,
Who do you think you are, parsing my post that way? Prolijo! Thats something I might have done. Actually, you misconstrued most of what I wrote. So let me take it point by point this time.[/quote]
You're right, in re-reading what you wrote below, I did miscontrue some of it. Sorry about that. I missed the part about him winning the cash at the casino, I was thinking he was on his way back from his room, TO the casino. It was late and I was doing 2-3 things at once. If he was not drunk, walking to his room FROM the casino, with the money, then yes, he should have taken a cab. This also explains why they knew where he stashed the money. It was clearly a set-up, as you say, 20-1 odds.
[QUOTE=Chase Star]Secondly, while I maintain that stretch of road can be dangerous (the number of recent muggings in that area bear me out) I never said it was so dangerous to recommend against it for the average guy. Certainly not during the day and probably not at night either as long as he is not stinking drunk and/or carrying excessive cash.[/quote]
Okay, then we agree. I never carry more than $100 on me at night, which even then is probably too much. But sometimes I am traveling around to Idem or to some other club where I need cash. Of course now I realize Idem takes credit cards, so in the future I won't need to carry cash for that, either. I'm moving towards just carrying a credit card, my passport and maybe 10 x 1mil colones notes at night.
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Thirdly, while I'm not about to stop walking that road at this time after dark, it still gives me a little bit of the willies, what with the shadowed recesses along the way and all. If it doesn't give anyone else the willies, walking it after dark then they are being overly confident or oblivious. Even though I'll walk it after dark, its not so safe that one shouldn't keep on their toes. Later at night, I always walk it briskly and in the center of the road scanning the area before me and occasionally behind me as I go.
BTW, while I'm covering your comments in this area, I should add what you did 14 years ago in SJ has very little relevance today. You may have walked places a thousand times before with nary an incident. I've done a lot of walking too, even after midnight, and have been fortunate enough to have never been hit. That doesn't mean it won't happen. The situation is getting worse all the time and what we could do in the past vs. what we should do today is rapidly changing.[/quote]
Point taken. I ALWAYS walk looking over my shoulder a bit at night in San Jose'. One needs to be aware. At one point a guy who looked like an addict crossed over the street and started following me. I increased my gait to a run and crossed the street. He yelled at me, "Don't run from me, you something or other, I'll catch up to you and slit your throat!" It was a black guy who spoke English, probably from the Caribe side. I was near a security guard so I stopped there for a second until he moved on. It pays to be aware of who is following you. I don't think he would have slit my throat, I think he was just pissed that I ran from him.
As to my comment re walking all over SJ for 14 years, what I meant is that I STILL walk in San Jose'. I know, it's dumb, and I do NOT recommend it; but sometimes I have trouble getting a cab from somewhere, I'm very impatient, and I say, Ah screw it! and just walk. I walked back from Idem one night. Frankly I didn't feel it was that dangerous between there and the Del Rey, but that's just me. I was not drunk, I am tall, and I keep my wits about me. Maybe I get some kind of thrill out of living "on the edge" but I do walk in places I probably shouldn't at times, even now. But NOT carrying $600.
[QUOTE=Chase Star]
Re: your last comments, I don't know what you're disagreeing with. We BOTH believe it can happen to anyone at anytime. Sure it is less likely, maybe even unlikely, to happen to someone who uses common sense precautions. My point was that saying "oh, he must have drunk" or "oh, he must have flashed his cash" as an excuse (essentially blaming the victim in EVERY case) lulls us into thinking it is unlikely to happen to us.
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I misconstrued and thought you were saying the average person should always take a cab from the Del Rey to the Presidente. That's what I was disagreeing with.
[QUOTE=Chase Star]
BTW, how do you win $600 at blackjack surreptitiously? Unless he hid in a bathroom stall while stashing his money, something I'm not so sure is that great an idea either, anyone who saw him win and had bad intentions was bound to be watching him very closely. He should have taken a cab period and probably even had the security guys escort him to it. The problem was that he thought like you "oh, I've always walked that short stretch before with money and never had a problem". Yes, if we conduct ourselves carefully it is much less likely, but it only takes for us to slip up once to become part of the statistics.
This may seem like fear mongering to you and maybe it is. At the very least no one could be happy at the direction things are going and if we don't start raising alarm bells the powers that be aren't going to do squat to do anything about it. Only when it starts hitting their own bottom line will they be likely to act.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. If you win over $100 you should take a cab even to the Presidente. Sad but true. I really think that some pressure should be put on the Del Rey and Key Largo to do something about posting some effective security in the area. If a LOT of people start to complain about the addicts hanging around, that would be a start. I don't need some addict distracting me with his cup while some guy is waiting around a doorway to jump me, that's for sure.
[QUOTE=Jaimito Cartero]If you're handing out $1-$5 each time you pass them, then you're supporting that person, and perhaps their whole family. Or maybe buying their liquor, or buying drugs for their handlers.
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Let me be clear: I am NOT handing out $1-5 each time I pass anyone; and I am only passing out $1-5 to those old women who are obviously in need, not some junkie working for some organized pan-handling scheme. It's pretty easy to tell the difference, I think.
I admire what you did for the family with the farm. Good for you.
[QUOTE=Johnny Sax]Let me be clear: I am NOT handing out $1-5 each time I pass anyone; and I am only passing out $1-5 to those old women who are obviously in need, not some junkie working for some organized pan-handling scheme. It's pretty easy to tell the difference, I think.[/QUOTE]
I don't really differentiate between drug addicts and other panhandlers. The frail old lady was probably put out there by someone. Whether a family member, or part of an organized group, it's still very likely.
Personally I just dislike the tension of telling someone no, or just ignoring them. There can be real danger in these situations as well.
I had taken a chica to Limon, and we were eating at a restaurant with some outside seating. A black guy came up and was asking for something. My Spanish was super limited at that time (late 80's), and I just thought he was asking for money. He just grabbed the bottle of Fanta off the table and started chugging it. The restaurant people came out and started yelling at him. It turns out, that he was asking for something to drink.
Kids are my soft spot, however, I won't give them money for nothing.
Last year in Jakarta, there was a 7 year old girl along with a 4 year old brother asking for money to buy food. I asked them if it was really for food or not. The girl said it was. So instead of just handing her money, I took them in to the KFC that was right next to us, I bought them both kids meals, and then walked them outside.
As I was leaving, I saw them running over to their mom sitting on the ground about 40 meters away. They acted like it was Christmas.
In Lima, last year, I ran into some of the most persistant kid panhandlers I've ever seen. (I've since found out how to dissuade them, but I'll leave that for another story) I had one kid follow me for a mile, with a mantra of "Gimme money" the whole fucking way.
One kid in particular, would hit me every time I got around the Parque in Miraflores. I told him that I would not *give* him any money. On a Sunday night late, I went out to get some big bottles of water. Everything was closed. He came up to me with his normal request. I told him that I would pay him if he could find me a couple of big bottles of water, and then carry them back to my hotel. It took him about 4 different places before he could find one that had them, but in the end he worked for it.
Not a real comparison, but I recall an article a number of years back, that some of the panhandlers at the Port Authority in NYC were making over $100,000 a year.
Enough proselytizing for now. :)
The guy who was robbed, was walking a chica back to the blue marlin and had just sessioned with her at the presidente,he was gonna gamble crap's in the colonial with $600. Going up the hill,not down.
Here are some thoughts some of you might find interesting. To be honest I haven't really thought these through completely and don't want suggest I agree with everything I'm about to repeat but it is food for thought.
First of all to those who think not giving to beggars is a matter of being cheap or that giving to them is a matter of personal choice, I think you just don't get it. Like Jamito I donate a considerable sum on a monthly basis to children in a variety of underdeveloped countries. This isn't at all about whether we are talking about $1-5, 20 cents or $600. If you want to help someone throwing your money away on the street is NOT the best way to help. If you want to help, help those who are already trying to help themselves rather than those who make their living by being a pest to yourselves AND your fellow mongers. If you have to throw your money away on the street, at least do it in an area that the rest of us don't have to walk. You think its something that's a matter of personal choice or something that we can agree to disagree, but it isn't really. I don't know if any of those begging outside the HDR have genuine needs that can't be met elsewhere if they put even half as much effort at making an honest living rather than pestering the rich and foolish gringos. Mmaybe there are some, though I doubt any of us can really tell for sure which if any they are. I do know this, however, when the lazy and the shiftless see others getting money, they feel entitled to a piece of that pie too whether they really deserve it or not. One or two beggars managing to get us to part with our coin leads to a dozen or more others trying the same thing. And all of us have to deal with that whether we want to fall for their sob stories or not. More importantly, given the recent subject of security, the throngs of beggars, scammers and other street riffraff that your largese attracts provide an effective screen for the genuine criminals to take advantage of, making the situation around that hotel dangerous for ALL of us.
So far, so good, at least as far as I'm concerned. You may disagree with my above statements. But here is where I'd like to really add the food for thought.
Argument #1. The subject of what to pay and what to tip the chicas has come up here and elsewhere many times. What to pay and what to tip is argued as a matter or personal choice by those who like to overpay or to act generous and impress the chicas who if truth be told probably just see them as fools to be taken advantage of. Most vets would argue that all the monger newbies that have hit the BM in the last few years and readily pay the cien por una hora o menos because that rate would be a steal back in the US have driven up the expectations of many of the BM chicas. So their "personal choice" has had consequences for the rest of us. Does this argument sound familiar? I raise this not because I want to restart that debate. Its not about whether this argument is right or wrong. However if any of you have used this argument in regards to what to pay chicas and yet still feel that contributing to panhandlers is any different, well that just might be a little hypocritical.
Argument #2, and I know this one will really raise up a storm. The moral crusaders have made one argument against mongering in general that I don't have a ready answer to. Maybe someone here could help me out. Whenever, those moral crusaders have failed to distinguish between the creeps that travel to developing countries to exploit children for sex with "mongering" in general, I, and I'm sure most of you, have always pointed out that those creeps are an incredibly small percentage of the total sex tourism market and that the vast majority of us only engage in consensual (albeit commercial) sex with adult women (albeit sometimes just over 18). Well the new argument is, and they have statistics to back this up, that while that might be true, our market provides a milieu in which these few creeps can operate and hide. Think about that the next time you sit down to have a beer at the BM. Is that guy sitting next to you thinking about which underground child prostitution ring to call after he leaves? Have you ever heard some jerk boasting to his buddies about how young the chica he was just with in a way that made you uncomfortable and yet you failed to speak up?
So what does this have to do with anything other than just as something to think about? Well maybe nothing but I do see some similarities with the argument that the crowd of panhandlers outside the HDR provide cover for real criminals. Maybe most are just down on their luck, or else just pathetic losers with a drug problem and maybe you want to support that element, but their being their provides a cover for what even the most bleedinghearted of us would consider less well intentioned individuals.
I realize this post was a little bit all over the map, but it does make you think, n'est pas?
[QUOTE=Chase Star]Here are some thoughts some of you might find interesting. To be honest I haven't really thought these through completely and don't want suggest I agree with everything I'm about to repeat but it is food for thought.
First of all to those who think not giving to beggars is a matter of being cheap or that giving to them is a matter of personal choice, I think you just don't get it. Like Jamito I donate a considerable sum on a monthly basis to children in a variety of underdeveloped countries. This isn't at all about whether we are talking about $1-5, 20 cents or $600. If you want to help someone throwing your money away on the street is NOT the best way to help. If you want to help, help those who are already trying to help themselves rather than those who make their living by being a pest to yourselves AND your fellow mongers. If you have to throw your money away on the street, at least do it in an area that the rest of us have to walk. You think its something thats a matter of personal choice or something that we can agree to disagree, but it isn't really. I don't know if any of those begging outside the HDR have genuine needs that can't be met elsewhere if they put even half as much effort at making an honest living rather than pestering the rich and foolish gringos, maybe there are some, though I doubt any of us can really tell for sure which if any they are. I do know this, however, when the lazy and the shiftless, see others getting money, they feel entitled to a piece of that pie too whether they really deserve it or not. One or two beggars managing to get us to part with our coin leads to a dozen or more others trying the same thing. And all of us have to deal with that whether we want to fall for their sob stories or not. More importantly, given the recent subject of security, the throngs of beggars, scammers and other streetriff that your largese attracts provide an effective screen for the genuine criminals to take advantage of, making the situation around that hotel dangerous for ALL of us.
So far, so good, at least as far as I'm concerned. You may disagree with my above statements. But here is where I'd like to really add the food for thought.
Argument #1. The subject of what to pay and what to tip the chicas has come up here and elsewhere many times. What to pay and what to tip is argued as a matter or personal choice by those who like to overpay or to act generous and impress the chicas who if truth be told probably just see them as fools to be taken advantage of. Most vets would argue that all the monger newbies that have hit the BM in the last few years and readily pay the cien por una hora o menos because that rate would be a steal back in the US have driven up the expectations of many of the BM chicas. So their "personal choice" has had consequences for the rest of us. Does this argument sound familiar? I raise this not because I want to restart that debate. Its not about whether this argument is right or wrong. However if any of you have used this argument in regards to what to pay chicas and yet still feel that contributing to panhandlers is any different, well that just might be a little hypocritical.
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Well I totally 100% agree with this first part. The rest of it is a matter of much debate and I'd have to think about it more, and maybe if you want to start a debate over tipping chicas that might be better in a seperate thread?
I have some background in Law enforcement, in it NEVER surprise me when the details comes out that somewhere or some place the victim has either shown or told someone about his wealth or someone seen his $$$ (and knows wheres it at), I seen MANY gringos over the years get rip off and mugged in Rio from the working girls boyfriends.
This is one of the 1st times I heard about this open assault on a gringo like this Costa Rica, GUYS just don't flash or show you cash TO ANYONE just keep what you need on you, DON'T try to flash or show off your cash around these girls.
NO matter how much you pay them some will feel that you won't miss a few extra hundreads if you give them or their boyfriend the change to robbed you.
Kid Cisco
[QUOTE=Kid Cisco]I have some background in Law enforcement, in it NEVER surprise me when the details comes out that somewhere or some place the victim has either shown or told someone about his wealth or someone seen his $$$ (and knows wheres it at), I seen MANY gringos over the years get rip off and mugged in Rio from the working girls boyfriends.
This is one of the 1st times I heard about this open assault on a gringo like this Costa Rica, GUYS just don't flash or show you cash TO ANYONE just keep what you need on you, DON'T try to flash or show off your cash around these girls.
NO matter how much you pay them some will feel that you won't miss a few extra hundreads if you give them or their boyfriend the change to robbed you.
Kid Cisco[/QUOTE]
Not this first time. this has been going on since 1992, when I made my first visit. It is just much much worse now. Of course you are correct about not flashing cash , rolex's etc.... Also never tell a Del rey girl anything about how much money you make etc.... Do not trust any of the chicas...
I've done a little re-reading myself. I went back and read the original CRT post and it turns out ChiliMike was actually correct about which way this guy was traveling (and I was actually wrong about something for the very first time :) ). I guess I misread the original post because I just assumed that the only reason a guy would be carrying that much dough would be because he had just won it at the casino. I couldn't imagine ANY reason why anyone would carry that much dough from their hotel room where they have a perfectly good safe (and still can't). It seems like more than I would ever need to gamble with at one sitting but if I did need that much I'd probably charge it in the relative safety of the casino rather than carry it around with me on a dark street.
Anyway, given the correct information, I think it much more likely this incident was really just some dumb luck for the crooks (and just dumb for the victim). Unless the guy really was flashing the money around (which I doubt, why would he just walking through a lobby) no one but the chica could have known that he was carrying that much and where. And unless the chica somehow knew in advance that he would be carrying it she hardly had enough time to alert anyone (according to the victim she hadn't made any cell phone calls as they were leaving the Prez).
It doesn't really matter though, my argument wasn't really about whether he was set up. I was arguing that the danger eminates mostly from the area right outside the door of the HDR and the environment that has been allowed to fester and grow there. As it turns out this particular case does not really support my argument. But it doesn't contradict it either and I still stand by what I have said.
As for all the woulda shoulda's that have been covered here. The various preventatives are all well and good. And most of them will lessen the liklihood you might get hit. But none of them will totally eliminate it. And the precaution about not carrying a lot of cash really has NOTHING at all to do with reducing your odds of getting hit (though flashing it certainly increases it). Carrying limited cash is only really about reducing the impact once you DO get hit. No matter what you do, everyone should figure it could happen to them and eventually will if you push your luck far enough.
That doesn't mean we should all stop walking, though if some people want to do that it is their business. Personally, I'm still willing to take that calculated risk in most but not all situations (even I have limits). That calculation is based on the assumption that if (or should I say when) in that rare instance my luck finally does runs out, by far the most likely outcome will be I'll be out $20-40 tops. My session money always stays in the room unless I'm going to an MP and the only MP I ever occasionally go to after dark is IDEM. If I need to carry more than that it is because I'm going to a stripclub and you pretty much HAVE to take a cab for any of them. Besides the really inconsequential monetary loss, I really don't anticipate any injury even if they threaten me with a machete, because it not worth it to me to greatly increase my chances of getting hurt by resisting for such a small amount. I'll probably be a little shaken up for a little while afterwards but that will disappear quickly as I down a few drinks with my buddies and tell them about my latest war story. I won't call it an experience I'd ever seek out, but all in all not such a horrible thing to have been through. When they start shooting or stabbing their victims just for fun after robbing them like they do in some other places then I might change my tune.
BTW, Johnny, I didn't mean to re-raise the whole tipping debate. My point was that there were some similarities in the arguments used in that debate and the debate on the effects of contributing to panhandlers.
[QUOTE=Chase Star]My session money always stays in the room unless I'm going to an MP and the only MP I ever occasionally go to after dark is IDEM. If I need to carry more than that it is because I'm going to a stripclub and you pretty much HAVE to take a cab for any of them. [/QUOTE]
Just to remind you, Zona Blue, New Fantasy, and Idem accept debit and credit cards, so when going there you need not carry any cash except for the taxi, and tips if you are so inclined. I have not been there but I am guessing Oasis does not accept tarjetas?
This is the first time I've heard of anyone being mugged in the Del Rey area. I will now be even more careful than I was before. What is upsetting to me is that no one saw and helped the guy. Someone should have tackled the sonofabitch with the machete and beat him to a pulp. (-; Not sure I would have the guts to get involved... but certainly if there were police in the area, they should have.
I still say we should put pressure on the Del Rey and Key Largo and casinos to employ security guards for the area or get police presence. You know those guys pay off the cops each month, so how hard would it be to get some protection there?
I am heading to San Jose for a mid-week trip. Tuesday - Friday. Are things slow during this time (midweek)? Any advice from you Vet's would be appreciated. First-timer (Rookie). Using Work as a cover. Please advise. Any and all suggestions will help.
I have read through the first few pages or so. However, I would like to know the best Massage Parlour's, StripClub's and Brothel's.
I keep reading Blue Marlin. Zona Blue or beach?, etc.
[QUOTE=Cray9564]I am heading to San Jose for a mid-week trip. Tuesday - Friday. Are things slow during this time (midweek)? Any advice from you Vet's would be appreciated. First-timer (Rookie). Using Work as a cover. Please advise. Any and all suggestions will help.
I have read through the first few pages or so. However, I would like to know the best Massage Parlour's, StripClub's and Brothel's.
I keep reading Blue Marlin. Zona Blue or beach?, etc.[/QUOTE]
First, be careful to cover your tracks if you are married and using work as a cover... Be careful where you use your credit card and if you carry condoms, etc., be sure to cover all your tracks...
Things are slower midweek, but since this is high season, there will still be plenty of action, in fact I PREFER it mid-week, as it's less crowded.
My advice would be to try to hook up with someone who knows the ropes; usually there are guys sitting around in the Del Rey bar (Blue Marlin) who are there alone and don't mind sharing their experiences. However, consider the source: some guys there are the type who will pay $100 without hesitation and never try to bargain them down to a more appropriate $60-80, and that is only for the hot ones; the fat ones etc. you should be able to get much cheaper.
I would only "observe" at Blue Marlin and Key Largo (across the street from BM) the first night, only go for someone if they really strike you as well worth the $60-80 you will part with.
The next day or earlier that day, I would hit Zona Blue which is more or less a "house of prostitution", moreso than a massage parlor, though you can get them to massage you if you wish. You walk in, sit at the bar in the back, and see who's there while you sip a beer. If someone strikes you as worthwhile, smile at her, and motion her over to you or go over to her. Go right back to a room or stay and have a beer with her, it's your choice. It is a set price, $48 and you can pay by credit card - though, if you are doing this on the sly, you may not want to. Pay cash in that case. The $48 is for a solid hour. I think they close at 9 or so, so get their early, the afternoon is best from what I hear though I never could get over there that early. Once you choose the girl, you go to a room with her and she'll ask you for the money which she'll then take to the management. Then she'll come back. You can do what you want: shower first, massage first, whatever, it's your hour. I recommend this becasue 1) it's cheaper than Blue Marlin, and 2) it's all set, no negotiating, no bullshit. And at least some of the girls are very attractive.
2) You may want to check out New Fantasy first. However I don't hold much hope of your finding a hot chick there, the last 2 times I checked it the girls there were not very attractive. But back in the day this was my favorite place because they have lockers to put your stuff in, they have a sauna that is great, showers by the sauna, and so you could have a nice sauna with your chick, she gets naked, you play around a bit with her to get in the mood, and then go back to her room. I think New Fantasy is set up better than Zona Blue due to the lockers and sauna and showers, and if the chicks were hot, there, it would be my #1 recommendation. If New Fan. is not good, it's 2 blocks up the hill to the right when you walk out of New Fan., to Zona Blue, and it will be on the corner over on the left.
3) Oasis is the one place everyone raves about, it's cheaper than Zona Blue and New Fantasy but I've never been over there. You may want to check it out. Not sure if all the taxi drivers know about it, so see this site for instructions on how to find it. By the way, does this place have lockers, sauna or anything or is it just a pure "house" of pros.?
Those are the ones I'd recommend for a set price.
As for pro. bars it's pretty much Key Largo and Blue Marlin. Key Largo has live music most nights and it may be dead until the music gets going around 10pm. Personally I prefer the atmosphere of Key Largo and I like to hang out with a chick a while, buy some drinks and dance before making the trip to my hotel. That's just my preference. That said, many of the hottest chicks don't go to Key Largo and for some odd reason I've never understoos, Key Largo tends to attract some of the fatter and uglier chicks. Nevertheless there are plenty of good ones there, too. I generally go back and forth between the two, and if I find someone I like at BM I ask her to go over to Key Largo to sit and drink and dance.
Do not accept the price of $100 UNLESS 1) she's SUPER hot; 2) it's for the whole night or at least a couple hours; and 3) you can't find anyone else who'll accept less. Generally I just say right up front, (after talking to her awhile and deciding I like her) "Solamente tengo $60" and if she walks away, fine. If she's really awesome I might offer her $70 at that point.
My philosophy in picking chicks (and it really is an art to learn to pick the ones that will show you the best time for the least money) is to pick them based 75% or less on looks and 95% based on attitude/personality. I find that the girls who are 8's and 9's are usually more fun than the chicks who are 10's. The 10's are more likely to just want to get you off quickly and get back for another $100. In fact, you run this risk with any of them, which is why you have to choose carefully and try to choose one that is into having fun, not just doing her job and getting it over with. Part of this depends on you. Try to have fun with her, even if you don't speak spanish, you can dance with her, kid around, and so on.
Others may have their own point of view, but that's how I see it.
Strip clubs seem to be a rip off in San Jose'. I'd also be interested in hearing more about the strip clubs, myself. Do NOT go to Josephinas under any circumstances, this place is a total rip off; any strip club in the states has as good or better prices.
If you have time before your trip it may be worth your while to join Costa Rica Ticas and stay at the Presidente with their discount. Then you also get discounts at Zona Blue and other places. I'm not promoting it, but I myself plan to join for the above reasons, so just a recommendation.
If you've read the past few pages, you know to not carry much money in San Jose' and to be very careful walking around especially at night. Watch for girls who'll come up to you on the street, they'll sometimes grab your wallet. Take taxis to the massage parlors.
Have fun and report back here on what you learned!
I would suggest stayng at Presidente or Sportsmens Lodge. Zona Blue is good, during the day OASIS offers better selection at !/2 price but closes @ 6 p.m.Pantra Rose is a fun bar after 11:00 p.m. with eat in or take out. Sportsmen Lodge has a nice selection all afternoon and till midnite every day. I have enjoyed the week days more than the weekends in San Jose.
Get out and find places on your ow.
Good info. Dude. Thanks for informing us fellow mongerers. Keep it up. I'm going down to CR next month.
I have only been to Josephinas which must be one of the biggest rip offs in all of Central America. I haven't been to any of the others; I've read a little about Panteras but would appreciate some of you guys laying it all out for me, rating the various strip clubs and reviewing them.
Also please advise if sex is available there and if so how much; though I don't mind if it isn't available, I could still use it as a warm up to later action at Key Largo or...
I actually feel like taking a break from the mongering action if I'm there for 4-5 days and would appreciate just kicking back and watching strippers, getting a lap dance or two, without the inevitable negotiation about taking her back to my room.
So fill me in on the strip club scene, please. For starters, what are the differences between Panteras and Kamur's, for example?
I went to Pantera Rosa last night after doing a round of places such as Molino Rojo, Arcadas, Las Margeritas and Club Monaco with 2 other members of this site. I had a great time with 2 girls at Pantera: Cristal and Sasha. Drinks were 3500 colones for the girls and 1500 colones for myself.
By buying ladies drinks, you can pretty much touch anywhere. This goes with other clubs. Also, since Sasha was menstruating, I paid around $50 to take a new girl from Limon, who started working at Pantera on Wednesday, to one of the side rooms for 30 minutes for full service. This was after having sex with a chick named Nicole at Club Monaco for 1500 colones ($30).
I left Pantera Rosa at 6 am with the sun already up and grabbed a bite to it at the free buffet breakfast at Clarion Amon Plaza. Afterwards, it was lights out until 2 hours ago. Life is good when you´re young, single and in Costa Rica.
There are a lot of other options in San Jose than the Del Rey. Tonight I am going to Kamur and Depelufo, two other viable options than the Del Rey, because Pantera is closed on Sundays. The price for taking a chick in the back room at Kamur is $75.
[QUOTE=Sun Devil]I went to Pantera Rosa last night after doing a round of places such as Molino Rojo, Arcadas, Las Margeritas and Club Monaco with 2 other members of this site. I had a great time with 2 girls at Pantera: Cristal and Sasha. Drinks were 3500 colones for the girls and 1500 colones for myself.
By buying ladies drinks, you can pretty much touch anywhere. This goes with other clubs. Also, since Sasha was menstruating, I paid around $50 to take a new girl from Limon, who started working at Pantera on Wednesday, to one of the side rooms for 30 minutes for full service. This was after having sex with a chick named Nicole at Club Monaco for 1500 colones ($30).
I left Pantera Rosa at 6 am with the sun already up and grabbed a bite to it at the free buffet breakfast at Clarion Amon Plaza. Afterwards, it was lights out until 2 hours ago. Life is good when you´re young, single and in Costa Rica.
There are a lot of other options in San Jose than the Del Rey. Tonight I am going to Kamur and Depelufo, two other viable options than the Del Rey, because Pantera is closed on Sundays. The price for taking a chick in the back room at Kamur is $75.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the details; Pantera Rosa does'nt sound too bad, as long as the girls don't just down watered-down drinks like water...
How was Club Monaco, safety wise. I originally went 2 years ago when it wasn't a strip club, just a bar. Found a super hot and friendly chick there and took her upstairs for $15! or was it $20? Well, anyway, I know it wasn't $30. Anyway I went back by there a few weeks ago, and it looked somehow spookier than before. Maybe the 1st time I was just too drunk to notice... Were there other gringos when you went? Did it have any "threatening" vibe to it or was it pretty mellow? Actually I wanted to go but my buddy didn't like the place, and I didn't want to go alone in that area. How many girls were there when you went?
Please report back on Kamur and Depelufo - this one I've never heard of! Where is it?
Kamur is 1km due south of Arcada's and Molino Rojo making it a good stop either before or after visiting those places (but don't walk it). It recently changed management and I haven't been there since it happened but they have since gotten very good reviews (maybe a double is really a double now). You can check out [url]www.kamurnightclub.com/ing.html[/url] to get an idea of the quality of the girls. (Kelly, Roxana and Rubi are my faves)
D'Pelufo (correct spelling) is nowhere near those other clubs but is well worth going to on its own. It is on the east side of San Pedro which is east of downtown. Just tell the cabbie "50 metros este de Muñoz y Nanne en San Pedro" (its also indicated on my map). The place is very grungy but the girls can be very hot and friendly. [url]www.dpelufo.com[/url] will give you an idea of what you might find there. Keep in mind some work at the Alajuela club and some may not work there at all anymore (don't know how often they update the website), but the quality is there. They're particularly known for their lesbo show on Sunday nights which feature a variety of opportunities for audience participation. Cover charge is 3500c and includes 2 drink tickets. Seats at the front during the show cost 2K more and comes with 2 more tickets, but you need to get there early to get one (no later than 9:30). Subsequent drinks if 4 ain't enough are 1K. Private dances lasting 2-3 songs are 5K. If you're an exhibitionist you can get longer lap dances on stage for 1K. The dances can get very intimate and you can get your rocks off but you ain't going to get fucked, at least not on site. What you might be able to arrange with the girls for later on is another story.
Thanks Chase Star for answering Sr. Sax. I have been too busy getting drunk and chasing chicks to get back on this website. If you like young hot looking Latinas, D´Pelufo is the place to go. Every taxi driver should know this place. Be sure to mention that you want to go to the San Pedro location, because they have another one in Alajuela, which is near the airport. The entrance is in the back, around a gravel driveway, and they are open on Sundays, unlike a lot of clubs in San Jose.
Like Chase Star said, full service is not on the menu, but bj is available, depending on the girl. A girl named Mitchell is one that comes to mind. Plus, when you go in, they will give you a ticket that will discount the entrance fee to 500 colones on a subsequent trip.
Another massage parlor in the neighborhood of Oasis is VIP. The fee for massage and full service is 17,000 colones for a room that has a jacuzzi and a king sized bed. For those wanting only a massage table, the fee is 14,000 colones.
I went today and chose Mitchell since all the good ones at Oasis were busy satisfying customers in the rooms. For anal and BBBJCIM, she asked for a tip, which I happily complied.
Anyone been to this place "Bikinis"? A hair cutting place where you can get sex? or...? Please report... (I did a search but didn't find anything here...)
[QUOTE=Johnny Sax]Anyone been to this place "Bikinis"? A hair cutting place where you can get sex? or...? Please report... (I did a search but didn't find anything here...)[/QUOTE]Isn't that the place that burned down a long time ago?
The hair cut place closed a few years ago.
Well, as sun devil reported i was one of the members he went to a few clubs with...(sun devil is a great guy and fun to hang with ) with all the reports and info we share on this board and c.r.t. you would think that many gringos would show up at these clubs.However i have yet to see anthor american in these clubs unless they are with us, and i went to all the clubs the last 7 nites in a row ....every nite. As some of you might have remembered i wrote about the american being robbed near b.m. so i had to check it out, and the story was true!
So i was a little more carefull this trip and walked less but i didnt feel i was in any danger at any time, only once did it get a little funny....as myself and a friend were coming out of VIPS 2 there were 4 taxi guys waiting for people coming out the door. And the first one out the door asks...taxi sir and i say yes and we start to walk toward the cab and a differnt taxi guy says ..taxi sir..and i say we have a guy, and my friend says lets go to the club next door and so we start up the steet. Well let me tell you, it was like something on C.N.N. the second taxi starts a fight with the first one i guess for jumping his turn and the 3 of them beat this guy to the near death (over a $1.00 fare) i mean i was all the way up the street and i could hear fists hitting skin and then the guy drops and the kicking starts...he was able to drive away ( i dont know how ) but he got away.
On this trip i keep spending less and less time at bm and the key largo at best was the last place to go...i only took 2 girls out of the bm and spent only 50.00 both times and sex was ...just ok...the one girl i took out of key largo never made it to my room as she was a ***** who didnt think she was a ***** ...i tried my best with her as she was hot but before making it to my room ..she wanted something to eat (bad sign) but i said ok...thinking maybe with a few more drinks in this girl she would lose the princess act....it only got worst, so i throw 2.00 on the table...and i get up and tell her you are in the wrong bussiness and should get a job at the mall...i had my best sex with girls i payed 6.00 us for ....yes...i said 6.00 and had many for 7500 colones that were hot and fun...i also had a girl ask me for 200.00 us in key largo...i ask her what plant she came from....to sum it all up .....i had a great trip and found some more places that had hot girls for a 10th of the bm price...and i went and ask about a white water trip....never went on it , but i did try...as this was my 5 th trip and i have yet to see a beach or a rain forest maybe next trip....i have some more stories about this trip that i will share ...as this board has been slow the past few weeks.....
[QUOTE=ChiliMike]i have some more stories about this trip that i will share ...as this board has been slow the past few weeks.....[/QUOTE]
Please do...especially the 6.00 us you mentioned.
NB
[QUOTE=ChiliMike].i have some more stories about this trip that i will share ...as this board has been slow the past few weeks.....[/QUOTE]
Please share, the more details the better, especially about all these cheaper places.
[QUOTE=Johnny Sax].
3) Oasis is the one place everyone raves about, it's cheaper than Zona Blue and New Fantasy but I've never been over there. You may want to check it out. Not sure if all the taxi drivers know about it, so see this site for instructions on how to find it. By the way, does this place have lockers, sauna or anything or is it just a pure "house" of pros?[QUOTE]Oasis does not have lockers, but it is a pretty safe place, or at least I have never heard of any of the guys having problems. The one drag is that the showers are past the room where the girls sits (on one side of the building anyhow). The price is 12,000 currently, or $24. I have probably been with 10 girls from there, and I would say that 8 have been at least good, with Laura being an absolute goddess. Adrianna is fun too, and they are smoking together.
The amenities are basic, it is not the type of place to hang out in, like Zona Blue. Accoss the street is a grear Peruvian restuarnat, and there are several other fun places in the area..
[QUOTE=Chase Star]D'Pelufo (correct spelling) is nowhere near those other clubs but is well worth going to on its own. The place is very grungy but the girls can be very hot and friendly. [/QUOTE]
Just be careful if you volunteer to go on stage. Cough.
It was posted in the Photos forum that the Presidente now has a policy of "no mini skirts and no sleeveless shirts".
I will repost the original post, which was said to have been found on another reputable board:
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"Presidente new chica policy
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Sup gents. I just got back from another fantastic trip to CR with one notable exception. The Presidente Hotel now has a new dress code for the girls- no sleeveless shirts or miniskirts. Since it was summer down there and neither I nor my companion had a jacket, I was told my new friend could not go upstairs. I explained that the girl was dressed like every other tica in town, but the night manager at the Presidente, some prick named Luis, insisted. We exchanged words and the girl had to leave. I was too upset to party at that point anyway. It is true they aren't charging, but this new clothing policy is just about the most stupid thing I have ever experienced in all of my travels. No other hotel has this policy. Then to make matters worse, the day supervisor called me the next morning requesting a meeting. I refused, so she CAME TO MY ROOM to confront me for getting upset. It was clear that she sided with her manager and wasn't even listening to me. I will never stay at the Presidente again. I recommend Del Rey or even the Holiday Inn (although they charge extra for the girl) Thought you guys should know. Stay somewhere where they will respect you, your desires, and your privacy."
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I totally agree with the poster: The Presidente is going too far in their policy. They can't have it both ways. Either they can accept mongers and their "girlfriends" or they can go against them. I happen to have just signed up with Costa Rica Ticas MAINLY because I wanted to stay at the Presidente with the great discount they offer. Now I fear the discount will be useless to me, as I can't imagine my wanting to stay there if they have this policy in effect.
Look, I could see them saying, "No vulgar clothing allowed", so as to weed out some chicks coming in with their asses showing or nipples peaking out above a tiny bra, something like that. But come on, there are women in mini-skirts ALL OVER San Jose during the DAY, let alone at night. And there is certainly nothing wrong with a sleeveless blouse!
It appears to me that the Presidente is deciding they don't want mongers and working girls there. So if that is the case, let's cooperate by boycotting both their hotel and their restaurant. Maybe then they'll reverse this ridiculous policy.
Our only power to address this grievance is through our decision to support them or not support them. I say we let them know that we will not be supporting them until such time as they make a more reasonable dress code policy. Again, I would not blame them for not wanting someone who was dressed outlandishly, such as I described above. But come on, a girl in a mini-skirt, high heels, and low cut dress or blouse is not offensive to anyone. You can see more than that any night on any of the cable stations, even non-pay stations like FX. And I am sure there will be gringas staying there in the summer with mini-skirts, short skirts and tops without sleeves, even - god forbid! - cleavage showing.
This seems to me to be a clear statement against us mongers and the working girls we like to bring back to the room. So I for one am going to contact Costa Rica Ticas and ask them to intervene on our behalf, and I think we all should write the Presidente and let them know they will be losing business with this policy.
Do they have the right to set a policy like this? Absolutely! And do we have the right - even responsibility - to let them know they will be losing our business because of it. Also: yes.
I will be writing them today, and I suggest you do the same.
You can write them at www dot hotel-presidente dot com, just click on the Contact page and you'll get their web form.
I suggest a very polite and civil e-mail. Here is something like what I plan to write:
Dear Sir or Madam:
It has come to my attention that you have a "no mini-skirt and no sleeveless blouse" dress code policy.
If this is true, it means that most of the girls from the Blue Marlin Bar or Key Largo cannot enter your hotel. Is this your intention? It also means that many gringas who are paying to stay there may not be acceptable to you.
Is it your intention that many men who come to San Jose' will no longer stay at your hotel because of this policy? Or that they will also not eat in your restaurant? I think you might lose money if this is the case.
I can understand your not wanting girls who are dressing or acting in an obscene way, but there is nothing wrong with mini-skirts and sleeveless blouses.
Can you tell me what exactly is your new dress code policy, and why you have made this change?
If you do not want single men to stay at your hotel and bring guests, then I think you may lose a lot of business both at your hotel and at the News Cafe'.
Sincerely,
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Hi everyone,
I need help. I just arrived in san jose. I have a list of MPs, but I can not find the addresses. Oasis, zona blue, new fantasy, etc. Where are these places? I have spent a lot of time reading the forum, but I can not find the map of downtown that everybody speaks of here. Is there a link to it somewhere? please help, as soon as possible.
Thanks
Circle
Oasis - Calle 32 Avenida 1/3 (150m N of Pollo de Kentucky/Paseo Colon)(across from Machu Pichu)
NF - Avenida 9 between calle 7 & 9 tel 221-4916
ZB - Avenida 9 calle 3b SE corner
Good luck
Circle,
If you're referring to the map I created, you need to be a member of CRT [url]www.**************.com[/url] in order to gain access to it. There is also a more basic but very serviceable map at Don Gordo's website [url]www.dongordo.com[/url]
[QUOTE=Circle]Hi everyone,
I need help. I just arrived in san jose. I have a list of MPs, but I can not find the addresses. Oasis, zona blue, new fantasy, etc. Where are these places? I have spent a lot of time reading the forum, but I can not find the map of downtown that everybody speaks of here. Is there a link to it somewhere? please help, as soon as possible.
Thanks[/QUOTE]
Most taxistas will know where New Fantasy and Zona Blue are, or better yet tell them you want to go to the Don Carlos hotel, then just get out and walk around the corner, that way you won't be charged more for the taxi.
As for the new dress code at the Presidente, I have the following to report:
I did write them an e-mail similar to the one I proposed below, and got an e-mail back from them the next day, which said about what I expected it to say, that is: b.s...
I checked it out over at the ************** forum, too, and most of the guys over there, it seems, feel it is perfectly okay for the Presidente to selectively discriminate against girls and guests, as they choose. I am surprised at this attitude, but I have a feeling the tune will change once a frew of them have it happen to THEM... While I feel it is the hotel's right to enforce a dress code, I do not feel good about supporting them in this, nor do I like that they are doing it.
One of the head honchos over at CRT had a meeting with the Prez mgmt. this week, and the outcome seems to me to be that nothing was accomplished, the policy remains, but while the Prez gave lip service to the hotel's continuing support of single men, their policy says otherwise, and nothing was changed in that regard.
Here is the stated policy, with my comments in [ ]
"DRESS CODE:
The Hotel instituted a dress code for our guests and visitors with the intent of maintaining a pleasant and comfortable atmosphere in the public areas of the hotel. While we understand that clothing is a personal matter, highly reflective of individual taste and style, inappropriate clothing can impact the level of decorum at the hotel. To this end, our dress code is intended as a guideline for guests and visitors.
Since every piece of clothing and its wearer are different, decisions on what is appropriate is left to the discretion of the manager on duty.
[or the doorman? And so the Manager on duty can discriminate as he/she chooses?]
While in the hotel’s public areas, guests are requested to:
-Wear shoes at all times
-Avoid low-cut or very revealing clothing
[how low? Again this is up to someone to arbitrarily decide, apparently. Random discrimination.]
-Avoid extremely short skirts or shorts
[you mean to say that gringas in short shorts will be told to cover up?]
-Keep midriffs covered [gringas in halter tops or bikini tops will be told?]
-Avoid mesh tops and swimming attire
-Avoid clothing with racist or discriminatory insignias or logos
This is the e-mail I got back from them, myself:
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"Dear Mr. Sax:
Thank you for your interest.
The Hotel has indeed instituted a dress code for our guests and visitors with the intent of maintaining a pleasant and comfortable atmosphere in the public areas of the hotel. While we understand that clothing is a personal matter, highly reflective of individual taste and style, inappropriate clothing can impact the level of decorum at the hotel. To this end, our dress code is intended as a guideline for guests and visitors.
While in the hotel’s public areas, guests and visitors are requested to:
- Wear shoes at all times
- Avoid low-cut or very revealing clothing
- Avoid extremely short skirts or shorts
- Keep midriffs covered
- Avoid mesh tops and swimming attire
- Avoid clothing with racist or discriminatory insignias or logos
Mr. Sax, I agree with you that some pieces of clothing may technically fit in the description above, and yet be perfectly non offensive nor obscene. Since every piece of clothing and its wearer are different, decisions on what is appropriate is left to the discretion of the manager on duty.
[in other words, they are leaving it open to hassle anyone they want, at any time; selective discrimination]
If you have any other questions or suggestions please do not hesitate to contact me.
I hope to meet in you in person in Costa Rica soon.
At your service,
Daniel Mikowski H.
General Manager"
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I did not reply. I doubt I will stay there again.
I don't like anyone discriminating against me or a guest I choose to invite to my room based on some stupid dress code that can be arbitrarily enforced and arbitrarily interpreted. I go to CR to relax and have a good time. This leaves too much of an opening for problems. The last thing I want is to be having a great time, bringing a hot chick back to my room, only to have some asshole doorman tell me my girl is not presentable nor admissable. That would really [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off at that moment and I don't need that kind of shite.
But since I did not find the rooms at the Morazan nor the Gran Via adequate last month (problems with bathrooms in both hotels, among other problems), I don't know where to stay, now. The Sportsman's Lodge seems too pricey and too far from the action. The Del Rey is too noisy...
I still encourage anyone reading this who disagrees with the Presidente's policy, to write them via their web site e-mail form, at hotel-presidente dot com, and politely express your disagreement with this, and imply that you may not stay there if they continue this policy.
on the plane back from san jose to atlanta there was a hairy guy wearing a baggy runners sleaveless shirt and some 20 year old speedo type runners shorts. real short and tight around his balls..disgusting
he was greasy as though he had just finished a run before getting on the plane.
i was thinking....if this fucker sits next to me i'm going to go postal
i felt bad for the poor bastard he sat next to.
a letter to delta is in order
First let me say thanks for the information guys. I finally did find oasis, which was not bad for the price. By the way, this is my first stop on a 10 week tour. Next i´m going to Cuba, then to Dominican Republic, Venezeula, Colombia, Peru, Bolivia, Argentina, and finally Brazil. I´m hoping to surf, hike, see archeological sites, volanoes (etc), and find the most beautiful women in the world. I will be posting reports as best I can as I go, but some things will have to wait until I have more time later. So please, give me as much help as you guys can, and I in turn will give you up to date info. I have no real itinerary, but I am searching for fun, culture, and preferably semi pro action. I am 28 years old, in pretty good shape and fairly good looking. So any advice on where to find the most semi pro action for a guy like me, with limited spanish (i´m using Pimsleur 1) is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
So here is my report thus far. In oasis, I chose a girl named adriaana with large breasts and a nice medium dark complexion. She did BBBJ for 5000 extra. I also stopped by europa, but I get better looking girls than that for free at home in the US. So I went to ZB, but there wasn´t anything special there either.
The biggest surprise came to me in BM. I was nearly ready to give up on that place at first. There were lots a pretty girls, but only 10 or so I would pay for. I have kinda high standards. All the girls in the 7-9 range would hardly budge from $100. I expect a 9 for at least a couple hours to pay that much. So I was getting ready to go home alone when a very pretty girl named Nadia approached me. She seemed very interested in me and told me I was good looking, so I bought her a beer and we spoke a while. She agreed to go home with me, but when I asked how much, she said "relax, you can pay me something tomorrow"
We got to my hotel, which by the way is only $15-20 per night with private bath (pension otoya, 5 min walk to BM, which I found in the lonely planet book). Its clean but old and a little grungy. Some of you might be embarressed, but I don´t want these girls to think i´m rich, anyways. I highly recommend the hotel.
So we get home and she wants to take a shower, I join her. She drops to her knees in the shower for BBBJ. And then it was on. This girl was just like a girlfriend, except better in bed. The next morning we do it again, then just before breakfast she treats me to BBBJCIM. At this point i´m in love. So we go have breakfast, then go hang out at her friends house til the afternoon smoking weed and listening to music. Afterwhich she had to go to school for a few hours, so she asked if I could pay her something. I ask how much, she says she doesn´t know, just whatever I can. So I gave her $100.
That night we hook up and go to a club to take X and party, but I was too tired, so we went home early and just had sex again. She was upset when I told her I was leaving for the beach today. I´ll try to post pics soon when I get a chance.
Circle,
Oh to be 28 and on a 10 week latin american tour! I'm envious. You better post as I'm looking forward to reading all about it. One quick question for you so far. I have the LP 2002 edition for CR but saw no mention of the place you described. Exactly where was that?
Member#2666,
That was me! Just kidding. That didn't sound off subject at all. In fact it sounds to me like Delta needs to start enforcing a dress code of its own.
Johnny Sax,
First re: taxistas and going to either ZB or NF. Your advice about asking for the Don Carlos when going to NF is a good one. What others should know is that both the NF and ZB pay referral commissions to taxi drivers, as do most businesses in SJ. Far too often in situations like this, even where you knew about the place on your own and asked to be brought there, the taxistas will go in and claim to have directed you there in order to "earn" a commission, the cost of which will inevitably either be tacked on to your charges if you're not aware of what they should be without a markup or be passed on to everyone in the form of higher prices. Eros MP across from Bar Idem is one place that is notorious for this. Its been a problem at ZB too, which they've been trying to combat. These cabbies can become quite belligerant with management and if the manager refuses to pay the cabbie a commission, based on the fact that they know you've been there before or that you even tell them you knew to come there on your own, the cabbies can become quite indignant. Now they have a problem of vengeful cabbies erroneously telling passengers that ask to be taken to ZB that they are closed and trying to steer them to another MP such as NF that will pay the kickback. Don't believe this if it happens to you. First of all, its perfectly safe and better for your health to simply walk to either ZB or NF during their normal business hours. If you do take a cab, ask for a nearby landmark rather than the MP (such as Don Carlos) and then after the cabbie leaves walk the block or few extra feet to where you really want to go. And if you must ask for the place specifically, at least tell the driver adios when you get there and walk in on your own and make the manager know that the driver didn't steer you there if you somehow can't manage to shake him.
Johnny,
Round 2, re: the Presidente dress code. I don't think you can really speak for the position of "most of the guys" at CRT. It seems to me there was plenty of irritation about this new policy there as well, its just that very few people there OR here have made quite as big a deal about it as you. I realize you have stayed there, but have you even had the new policy directed at you and one of your guests yet or are you just anticpating problems?
As you yourself acknowledged, it is the hotel's right to enforce a dress code of their choosing. Just because many CRT'ers, myself included, are willing to grudgingly go along or put up with the inconvenience, doesn't mean we're happy about it or think it is a well thought out plan. What it means is that we don't think there is probably all that much we can do about it at least in the short term. Did it occur to you that maybe this code was enacted as a result of complaints by non-mongers and that voicing one's complaints inappropriately (I realize you are not advocating that) as some others have, only supports the case of the non-mongers rather than our own. Besides, despite the fact this might make the Prez slightly less desirable as a place to stay for mongering, its other advantages still put it way ahead many of the alternatives, as yourself have found.
Re: selective enforcement. You see that as unfair. Perhaps you are right but I am not so sure.
Regarding gringa guests, I doubt very many if any will be dressing as provocatively as many of the BM girls and I don't think many of the other guests would complain that much even if they did (unless it was some fat cow in hot pants, which I'm sure happens even less). The policy does state that it applies to BOTH guests and visitors and the inclusion of swimwear as one of the "discouraged" articles of clothing seems much more potentially directed at female guests than to chica visitors. In fact, complaining to management about inappropriately dressed gringas or insisting on fair and evenhanded treatment, might actually be the best way of getting this new policy reversed.
Regarding it being at the discretion of the manager on duty, you were the one to interpret it "they are leaving it open to hassle anyone they want, at any time" not them. They have listed specific categories of clothing that are subject to interpretation. If the guest or visitor is not wearing any of those items they aren't subject to any arbitrary inspection. So they can't really just hassle anyone they want. Granted most BM chicas will probably have some article of clothing on that will make them subject to that discretion, which is precisely why it is good that they at least allow room for discretion rather than automatically reject them outright. I would interpret that to mean that a little skin they might let go and that they really mean to target the most egregious violations. The post you reprinted claimedthe chica was dressed like every other chica in town, but I didn't see what she was wearing. All I'm saying is let's wait to see exactly how strictly they apply this discretion before we fly off the handle.
The other thing I noted about the post that you reprinted was that the poster admitted "exchanging words" and "getting upset" with some guy he referred to as "some prick". Just as we don't really know firsthand how that chica was dressed we don't really know how that monger handled it. I strongly suspect he was more than "mildly" upset and that the words exchanged were not "exactly" civil. Also while the day manager came to his room the next day, it was not about his trying to bring a provocatively dressed chica back to his room but how he dealt with it by getting upset, making a huge scene and probably disturbing or waking many of the other guests that were staying at that hotel with the huge ruckus he created. This lends credence to the Prez's claims that this policy was implemented largely as a result of increased incidents of "ugly american" mongers. Which brings me back to the issue of selective enforcement. I suspect that if you act with reasonable decorum (ie don't stumble in drunk and loud) and the chica is not dressed too egregiously over the line, you'll probably pass muster or at least be able to convice the manager to let it slide if you speak civilly with him.
Finally, re: the issue of the doorman stopping you. The policy specifically states its up to the manager on duty. The possibility that some doorman using this as a way to extort a bribe or payoff from you has been raised at CRT and it is certainly a valid concern. All I can say is, if you think your chica is not dressed that bad and the doorman either tries to elicit a bribe from you or unfairly refuses her entry outright, to either ask to speak to the manager directly or at least get the doorman's name and time (maybe even snap a digital photo of the way the chica was dressed if you can) and report it the next day.
From what I understand many chicas at the BM are ALREADY adjusting to this by carrying light jackets or sweaters with them which they can throw over their shoulder if they get a date that wants to take them back to the Prez. What is next? Street guys selling cheap plastic jackets outside the Prez doors, the way they sell cheap umbrellas when it rains. If they can adjust so easily to the change why can't we? Perhaps rather than asking the Prez to rescind their new policy, or at least in addition to asking them to rescind it, we should ask at least if they're going to do this that they provide a cloakroom/closet near the door or space behind the front desk where we can leave a jacket or shirt before we head out to the BM so we have something right there if we wind up bringing someone back that they find unacceptable. Or maybe they could have loaner coverings the same way they have spare jackets and ties at restaurants that require those. You see, there is room for compromise here.
Chase,
I think the pension otoya is at the corner of Ave. 5 and Calle 1, but I will look it up later to be sure. I just bought the Lonely Planet, "Central America" book at Borders. So I'm guessing it was published in the last year or two (some things are already outdated).
As a side note, I went by the BM around 3pm yesterday, and I can say the estrogen vs. testosterone ratio was much better than at night. There were some very nice girls. One even had kind of a latin Cameron Diaz look, very sweet and innocent (which she definately was not).
However i´ve heard the locals pay like $10 in certain places. I guess there are massages parlors or something cheaper than even oasis? are those places all bad quality or what? I don´t really care, cause if it is worse quality than europa (maybe I went on a bad night? ) then I don´t want to waste my time.
At the moment I am in playa jaco, got here last night. So I will post my report for that, I suppose, in the "other areas" section. Anybody know why we can´t organize threads under the individual cities. It seems like it would be much easier to find essential info if every single post for a city wasn´t just lumped together? i´m sure there´s a reason for that, though. So if anybody is around and wants to have a beer, I got first round. I´ll stay in jaco until probably Monday. Spend Monday night in san jose, then go to peurto viejo for a couple days. So send me a pm.
[QUOTE=Chase Star]
Johnny,
Round 2, re: the Presidente dress code. I don't think you can really speak for the position of "most of the guys" at CRT. It seems to me there was plenty of irritation about this new policy there as well, its just that very few people there OR here have made quite as big a deal about it as you. I realize you have stayed there, but have you even had the new policy directed at you and one of your guests yet or are you just anticpating problems?[/quote]
I have not stayed there since this policy, and am not sure I will. I object to it, in PRINCIPLE, and as I stated somewhere, I don't think I even want to RISK going back to my room, in a good mood and ready to rock and roll, only to be told that I cannot enter with my chosen guest. It would, to be quite frank, p**s me off, and very likely ruin my night. I will wait and see how many other guys post here or at CRT about problems... If they don't plan to enforce it, then why did they create it and defend it? You and others seem to think maybe they are just planning to use it on only the "worst" offenders. I say that where a policy like this exists, it WILL be used, and will likely be used without good reason. That's just the nature of rules: where they are created, they are enforced, and too often, unfairly.
[QUOTE=Chase Star]
As you yourself acknowledged, it is the hotel's right to enforce a dress code of their choosing. Just because many CRT'ers, myself included, are willing to grudgingly go along or put up with the inconvenience, doesn't mean we're happy about it or think it is a well thought out plan. What it means is that we don't think there is probably all that much we can do about it at least in the short term. Did it occur to you that maybe this code was enacted as a result of complaints by non-mongers and that voicing one's complaints inappropriately (I realize you are not advocating that) as some others have, only supports the case of the non-mongers rather than our own. Besides, despite the fact this might make the Prez slightly less desirable as a place to stay for mongering, its other advantages still put it way ahead many of the alternatives, as yourself have found.[/quote]
I think with me it's simply a matter of principle. I think it's a bull---t policy and a bull---t way to treat CRT members. Period.
I am very easy going and never cause a ruckus... UNLESS provoked. Now, we don't know what happened to cause all this. But I did read one account of a guy being told his girl could not enter. And all I can say is I totally feel the same way he did - that if there was no policy - at that point - and all of the sudden I was told I could not bring my girl to my room, I would be very angry, and yes, I'd probably have a few not so nice words for whoever told me that. Now that there IS a policy, if it happened to me, I would probably just say, "Okay, well, do you have an overcoat she could wear?" or something like that. But if they refused to help out or did not allow me to enter with her, I would say, "Okay, well you've just received the last of my business, here and at your restaurant." And that would be it until such time as they changed the policy.
[QUOTE=Chase Star]
Re: selective enforcement. You see that as unfair. Perhaps you are right but I am not so sure.
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Regarding it being at the discretion of the manager on duty, you were the one to interpret it "they are leaving it open to hassle anyone they want, at any time" not them. They have listed specific categories of clothing that are subject to interpretation. If the guest or visitor is not wearing any of those items they aren't subject to any arbitrary inspection. So they can't really just hassle anyone they want.Granted most BM chicas will probably have some article of clothing on that will make them subject to that discretion, which is precisely why it is good that they at least allow room for discretion rather than automatically reject them outright. I would interpret that to mean that a little skin they might let go and that they really mean to target the most egregious violations. The post you reprinted claimedthe chica was dressed like every other chica in town, but I didn't see what she was wearing. All I'm saying is let's wait to see exactly how strictly they apply this discretion before we fly off the handle.[/quote]
Well, it seems to me that they are playing a game here that leaves too much room for interpretation. I'd rather them say outright whatever it is they are objecting to. How short can a skirt be? How much cleavage can be shown? Sure, maybe they'll soften and only use this policy to keep out the girls who are dressed TOO "sluttily". But then again, they ARE working girls. What do they expect? "Okay, you can bring back your working girl, but she has to be dressed like an office girl." ... Huh? what is the point here?
[QUOTE=Chase Star]... I suspect that if you act with reasonable decorum (ie don't stumble in drunk and loud) and the chica is not dressed too egregiously over the line, you'll probably pass muster or at least be able to convice the manager to let it slide if you speak civilly with him.[/quote]
I HOPE you are right about that, and if you are, then all will be mostly well. But I am skeptical... It just seems to me the hotel doesn't quite know what they want or what they are doing. They are kinda sorta pandering to mongers, but at the same time trying to cater to couples and families. Can they have it both ways? How many people really are offended if you bring back a sexily dressed girl at 10pm-2am? I could see it maybe if this policy were enforced during daylight hours before the kids are in bed. But at nightclub hours, how many guests there really care if you quietly walk in with a girl with some cleavage showing, in mini-skirt and high heels? Really,what is the problem? Are they renting to mongers or not?
[QUOTE=Chase Star]
Finally, re: the issue of the doorman stopping you. The policy specifically states its up to the manager on duty. The possibility that some doorman using this as a way to extort a bribe or payoff from you has been raised at CRT and it is certainly a valid concern. All I can say is, if you think your chica is not dressed that bad and the doorman either tries to elicit a bribe from you or unfairly refuses her entry outright, to either ask to speak to the manager directly or at least get the doorman's name and time (maybe even snap a digital photo of the way the chica was dressed if you can) and report it the next day.
From what I understand many chicas at the BM are ALREADY adjusting to this by carrying light jackets or sweaters with them which they can throw over their shoulder if they get a date that wants to take them back to the Prez. What is next? Street guys selling cheap plastic jackets outside the Prez doors, the way they sell cheap umbrellas when it rains. If they can adjust so easily to the change why can't we? Perhaps rather than asking the Prez to rescind their new policy, or at least in addition to asking them to rescind it, we should ask at least if they're going to do this that they provide a cloakroom/closet near the door or space behind the front desk where we can leave a jacket or shirt before we head out to the BM so we have something right there if we wind up bringing someone back that they find unacceptable. Or maybe they could have loaner coverings the same way they have spare jackets and ties at restaurants that require those. You see, there is room for compromise here.[/QUOTE]
I totally agree that any abuse by the doorman should be reported, and any problems should be politely addressed with the manager the next day. Digital photos would help, if you have them. Post them here or at CRT, if you get turned down for bringing a girl in.
I think the one very easy solution to this problem would be for the Prez to have a little coat closet there by the front door, and anyone the doorman feels is dressed inappropriately should be issued a trenchcoat. They could even charge a couple mil for the rental, or a 5 mil DEPOSIT once the girl is done and brings it back, the deposit is returned. The doorman could get a tip; whatever. But the idea of them issuing a long coat to wear is an excellent one and would be a way that everyone could win, here. Then no one would be denied entry, no guests would be offended, and all would be right with the world once again. Really, it's so simple. Why wouldn't they just do this? Maybe they will.
As I said before, I doubt I will stay there again, at least not until I hear how much they enforce this policy. I did not care much for the Morazan and the Gran Via, and the Sportsman's Lodge is too expensive... I might try the Castillo or whatever it is... Any other suggestions? I don't wish to spend more than $55+tax and I like something relatively quiet and safe.
I been going to the Prez for a few years now, I stayed there 5 times last year, and I think they needed to clean up the some with the many church groups that stay there and the couples (older male and females) the last thing they need to see in the morning is some 50 ish and 60ish year old broken down ***** monger holding hands with a 20 year old girl with her ass cheeks hanging from her short shorts.
Around dinner time you have almost a waiting line of mongers waiting to sign in girls making a bee line up to the rooms (this is the same time most day tours are coming and returning back as well).
I will keep on staying there and I really hope LESS AND LESS mongers with bad attiudes will go somewhere else.
I look at it this way UNTIL I or anyone else wins the lotto (and buy their own hotel) we must go along with the rules of the hotel.
Kid Cisco
I think they need to just come out and say they dont need mongers there anymore. Don't beat around the bush, (thats exactly what they are doing) so we will know one way or the other. Allow girls back to the rooms are not allow them. This is all bulls**t. I think there afraid to tell us that because they know that they would lose business.
Rebel Man, what you just posted makes no sense to me. If they didn't need or want our business, it would a far simpler and profitable policy to just start charging a guest fee to discourage it or even refuse to allow unregistered quests altogether. As it still stands they charge no guest fee AT ALL unlike even the HDR, the quintessential monger hotel.
[QUOTE=Johnny Sax]How many people really are offended if you bring back a sexily dressed girl at 10pm-2am? I could see it maybe if this policy were enforced during daylight hours before the kids are in bed. But at nightclub hours, how many guests there really care if you quietly walk in with a girl with some cleavage showing, in mini-skirt and high heels? Really,what is the problem? Are they renting to mongers or not?
I totally agree that any abuse by the doorman should be reported, and any problems should be politely addressed with the manager the next day. Digital photos would help, if you have them. Post them here or at CRT, if you get turned down for bringing a girl in. [good idea, as we'd then have a better idea what can and can't fly]
I think the one very easy solution to this problem would be for the Prez to have a little coat closet there by the front door, and anyone the doorman feels is dressed inappropriately should be issued a trenchcoat. They could even charge a couple mil for the rental, or a 5 mil DEPOSIT once the girl is done and brings it back, the deposit is returned. The doorman could get a tip; whatever. But the idea of them issuing a long coat to wear is an excellent one and would be a way that everyone could win, here. Then no one would be denied entry, no guests would be offended, and all would be right with the world once again. Really, it's so simple. Why wouldn't they just do this? Maybe they will.[/QUOTE]Now at least we're discussing some possible reasonable compromises rather than just railing about "principles" or threatening to throw the baby out with the bath water. However, I'm still not quite sure you "get it". Kid Cisco does. Someone SHOULD suggest that they at least restrict enforcement of this policy to normal eco-tourist waking hours. However, if this were just a problem of some older guys quietly sneaking scantily clad young girls in long after the ecotourists had gone to bed, I'm sure the mgmt of the Prez would never have felt they had to institute this policy to preserve their other business (and risk losing ours) in the first place.
Also if something like the mere possibility that you might have to go up to your room to get a long sleeved shirt to loan to your girl to get her in would totally ruin your evening, then maybe you're not quite as easy going as you think you are. I really think that for the most part the guys that will object to this the most will be the guys who walk around the gulch like its their personal playground and think that the Prez's business should revolve around them to the exclusion of other guests. Those are probably the same guys who walk in drunk and obnoxious, (you know the ugly gringo types we have all seen ourselves). The Prez probably feel if they lose those guys and keep most of the more reasonable and polite guys, their policy will have been a real success and incidents that might offend other guests will have been drastically reduced.
[QUOTE=Chase Star]
However, I'm still not quite sure you "get it". Kid Cisco does. ...
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Also if something like the mere possibility that you might have to go up to your room to get a long sleeved shirt to loan to your girl to get her in would totally ruin your evening, then maybe you're not quite as easy going as you think you are. I really think that for the most part the guys that will object to this the most will be the guys who walk around the gulch like its their personal playground and think that the Prez's business should revolve around them to the exclusion of other guests. [/QUOTE]
I respectfully disagree with you. I never said anything about being offered the opportunity to go up to my room for a long sleeve shirt. IF they were to offer me that option, I would probably accept it and not be too upset. So you are wrong about me not being mellow enough for that. What I said was that if they did NOT offer me ANY option and I had to take my girl somewhere else , instead of being comfortable in my own paid for room, I'd be very pissed and would not stay there again, and would let them know that.
I don't think this policy just pisses off "ugly American" mongers who feel other guests don't matter. I think it bothers anyone like myself who feels we are doing nothing wrong and should not be "judged" in terms of whether or not our chosen girl is "acceptable". I think it pisses guys off who feel the hotel is, on the one hand, participating in a discount program for mongers and on the other hand saying "but you may not be able to bring your guest up to your room". And I think it pisses off people who just generally don't like discrimination based on some individual's sense of what is or is not "inappropriate". I'd rather they make a truly measurable and solid dress code and then STICK TO IT, as opposed to leaving it open for some manager's or doorman's sense of what is appropriate.
I don't like the idea that a guy in San Jose', where prostitution is legal, staying at a hotel that allows guests, is going to possibly face the hassle of being told he can't bring his (credentialed!) girl back to his room, just because she has some cleavage showing or a mini-skirt on. I find the notion ridiculous. TV and billboards show as much or more; certainly movies do; and it is difficult to believe that other guests care that much. I think this new policy is an over-reaction to just one or two incidents, and instead of just chalking it up to being "part of the business", they have gone overboard and created a policy that runs counter to a large segment of their clientele, a clientele who I think probably sustains them or at least helps them quite a bit in the off season.
I still think the perfect solution is to offer a long coat at the front door, and I applaud you for that suggestion, which I posted at the CRT board.
Meanwhile, as I stated, I will wait and see how they treat fellow mongers over the next few months. That will more than likely make up my mind for me. I don't want to risk staying there and getting turned away at this point. Yes, being told I can't bring my girl in to my room would [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off, if it happened, and no, I won't risk it. I'd rather stay somewhere where I KNOW there will be no problem. If over the next few months I hear of only a couple minor incidents of girls being rejected, then I will reconsider staying there.
To change the subject: Lorenzo is finally in Costa Rica. Not that I expect anyone to remember, but late last year I sought the advice of Costa Rica mongers about trip planning. I was then planning to visit all 7 Central American countries early in 2006 on a trip lasting about a month, and I asked experienced Central American what they thought about traveling through CA by bus. I got a lot of very helpful responses, for which I publicly thanked everyone, but the response was nearly unanimous: don't do it; fly if you can. So that is exactly what I did. I could not have gotten better advice. I contacted a consolidator that specializes in Latin America, Exito, told them where and when I wanted to go, and they put together a packet of tickets covering my entire itinerary for just over $1000 (exclusive of international airfare). I got an open jaw ticket from Delta, flying into Belize City on March 10 and flying out of Panama City April 9. Exito put together the rest. My route has been and will be, Belize City-Guatemala City-Flores-Guatemala City-San Salvador-San Pedro Sula-Tegucigalpa-Managua-San Jose-Panama City. Whew! Man, am I glad I didn't take the bus. The trip has been wearying and I have not had nearly enough time to do and see all I would have liked. My idea was not to have a trip centered solely on mongering, but I hoped to monger in every country if I could and to post reports. For those who are interested, I have posted reports on Belize City, Guatemala City, San Salvador, San Pedro Sula, Tegucigalpa, and Managua. Now it's San Jose's turn. However, now that I am smack in the middle of the Mecca of Central American mongering, I suddenly feel humbled (and anyone who knows me will tell you that this is quite unusual). With all the abundance of material on the Costa Rica site, what can I possibly add that is new? Probably nothing, so if you are looking for something breathtakingly new, better move on to the next post. But if you don't mind reading one monger's impressions, read on. I think the main thing I might provide is encouragement for those who are thinking about mongering their way through Central America: it can be done.
I also asked for ideas about where to stay. From reading this forum, I had narrowed it down to the Del Rey and the Sportsmen's Lodge, and asked for advice. Again the advice was near unanimous: Sportsmen's over Del Rey. So I am now at the Sportsmen's Lodge, having checked in 2 days ago when I arrived from Managua. I'm not sorry I stayed here, butit isn't quite what I expected. It is first of all very obviously a mongering hotel. The guests are almost exclusively male. I would have dropped the 'exclusively' except that today I saw the first female guest, who was half of a couple in their 60's or older. Other than that, the guests are all American males between 40 and 70 (myself included). It is not a young monger's hotel; it's not that younger guys couldn't stay here, it just appears that they don't. It appears that a lot of these guys travel here in groups, because a lot of them seem to know each other. Yesterday I heard a bunch of guys from Atlanta getting there stories straight so they would all tell their wives the same thing. The main virtue of the Sportsmen's is that it is totally, unequivocally girl friendly. In fact, it seems to exist almost solely for that purpose. There is a bar/restaurant that has a small number of chicas hanging around, and word is that they must be pre-approved by the management before they can sit around the bar anjd lounge. The downside of Sportsmen's is that it is very noisy until midnight, when it suddenly quiets down. This is because a lot of the mongers get drunk and then get very loud. There is a lot of raucous talking, shouting, and guffawing from the bar that can be heard throughout the house. For this reason I don't think I would stay here again, but that's just me. I'm a loner and prefer quiet, but WTF, it's unabashedly girl friendly, and that's what's important.
When I arrived in San Jose I was totally spent from the trip and didn't know how much energy I would have left for mongering. I had had 9 encounters with 7 girls (two of them were repeat meetings, obviously), in addition to doing the usual tourist things like going to Ambergris Caye, Tikal, Antigua, and Leon. The day I checked in I met a young Nica morena named Carolina who had a beautiful face and kind of skinny body, just as she was leaving Sportsmen's. But there was something about her I liked that caused my exhaustion to lift. I told her that I was too tired to fuck but asked if she would provide a BBBJ. Besides, I hadn't taken a performance pill. She agreed and we went to my room. It was a total GFE: DFK, DATY, BBBJ, and I ended up briefly entering her anyway, but l let her finish me off by hand. Cost: US$40. I liked her so much that I invited her back the next day. She arrived at my room promptly at 2pm. I took a 25mg Cialis, having delayed taking it until I was sure she would show up. We then went to lunch while I waited for the pill to take effect, then went back to the room for another GFE. Two orgasms, $60. We had agreed on $50, but I liked her so much I gave her a tip. She let me take some nude pics, but I won't be able to post them until I get back to the states and upload them into my computer.
Today I made the obligatory visit to the Blue Marlin. It was much smaller than I expected, and even at 3pm it was jammed with chicas. The place turned me off, so I wandered through the casino and picked up a 37 year old Dominican chica named Juanita. We agreed on $50 for one hour and went back to Sportsmen's. Another GFE: DFK, BBBJ, DATY, CFS. She was even considerate enough to wash her pussy before we started. Now 37 might seem old to a lot of younger mongers, but it's just perfect for me; I'm a dirty old man who likes them with experience, and I wasn't disappointed. She was an excellent slow lover and stayed longer that the hour we had agreed on. I gave her $60, which included a $10 tip. I liked her so much that I may call her for a repeat session day after tomorrow. Tomorrow I'm going to the volcanoes and a nature park so there will probably be no mongering. I'm still undecided as to whether to go to clubs like Zona Blue and Kamur. I have cell phone numbers for both Carolina and Juanita, so if anyone is interested please PM me. And thanks again to all the guys whose sage advice made this trip in its present form possible.
Lorenzo
[QUOTE=Lorenzo]To change the subject[/QUOTE]THANK YOU!!!
Remember me? Its sounds like you're having a great time and don't really need any advice. I know you feel like you don't have anything new to add to the info already here, but I'd really like to hear your thoughts on the comparatives of CR mongering vs. what you found in the other CA countries you've visited so far.
Also, while I understand you say you're a loner, I really recommend you introduce yourself to the group of guys at the SL. They're probably CRT'ers and if so are always open and friendly to new guys. Just say "Are you guys with CRT?" or you could also try "My friend Prolijo told me to say hello" although I'm not sure if that might just cause them to start throwing beer at you (just kidding). These guys can give you all the best on-the-spot intel and can serve as good wingmen if you want to go out and check out some of the tico nightspots outside the gulch such as Kamur, Pantera Rosa, D'Pelufos, etc. I'm often a loner too, but sometimes I enjoy the company of my fellow "hobbyist" and, IMHO, nightclubs are usually more fun when done with 1-2 others (as long as there aren't a zillion of you fighting over the one decent looking girl there)
Your friend,
Prolijo (aka Chase Star)
I went on a tour/trip like that once in South American (Brazil/Colombia/Argentina/and back to Brazil) and it almost KILLED me LOL I am gathering INTEL on Panama so if you can let me about hotels etc. On Panama that would be nice.
I have a friend that I just got off the phone to he has his cellphone with him it cost him it runs him $1. 49 a min for calls he is also staying at the Prez I gave him INTEl and INFO about the new dress call for the girls before he left I told him to bring and take a female weather with him so he wouldn't have any problems with the girls coming in so far so good he haven't had any problems (he NEVER had to EVEN use the sweather) he is also a low key guy and he travels like me solo.
I love the Prez and I must have stayed there over 25 times so far over the years I stayed there 5 times last year, the staff and everyone has always been cool with me and treated me with respect I do UNDERSTAND why they are making some of the girls clean up their acts the Prez isn't like the Del Ray that mostly catering to the American "monge"r, they have many tour groups staying there from all around the world that book there and they don't count on making $$ from just the gringo monger.
I know lots of other people beside mongers that like to stay at the Prez and they wouldn't want to see some of the stuff I have seen the girls in when they are trying to eat breakfast in the morning (like having a dresses on so short that everytime the girl bend over you can see count her hairs hanging out of her her thongs (if she even have on some) LOL.
I really think this is a good thing I DON'T have any problem with the Prez rules to tell you the truth I think it would work out for guys like me and Chase Star that understand why and go alone with it without trying to drum up ways to hurt a hotel that haven't done anything BUT be good to us and other mongers over the years.
Kid Cisco
so for my last night before heading to cuba, I decided to go by New Fantasy. I didn't like the quality of girls, even if I can save a few bucks. So I thought I would go by the BM before calling my gfe from last week, just to see what the action was like.
It was a slow night, and I was just going to finish my beer and call the girl who gave me such a great time last week. I'm sitting there and this girl walks up and asks if she can sit with me. I say "sure. " I'd say this girl was a "7. 5" or so. She had great tits (which were in fact fake, but I couldn't even tell by feeling them, only by the small mark under her breast.) she had this look that said "fuck the shit out of me" and her ass was pretty nice too. However her belly wasn't as flat as I prefer. No wrinkles, just a little pouch.
The weird thing was how quickly she wanted to leave. She said her sister was waiting for her somewhere else, because she didn't like the BM. So she took me outside and her sister was walking down the sidewalk. The first girl then tried to hook me up with her sister, but this girl looked young, so I decided to ditch both of them. However her sister left for the casino so I went back into the BM with the first one. She starts telling me she wants to party in the clubs and she has to take care of her sister, so would that be a problem. I said yes, that is a problem, and if you want to go with your sister, then just go now. She says her sister is 18, so its no problem, and she will do whatever I like.
At this point I'm creeped out and excusing myself to go home. She says she wants to go with me and we don't have to take the sister, so we agree on $60 with BBBJ. Not a bad deal I figure, considering this girl is pretty damn hot. So we leave, she performs as she said, but she is obviously in a hurry to get out of there. Definately not gfe. I would have prefered my girl from last week. Oh well, live and learn.
So I'm using my own laptop now, and I'm going to try and upload some photos. I hope it works. The first two are from the girl I had at oasis. Not bad quality for the price. The last one is from jaco beach (I know, wrong section, but I just want to get this done at the same time), just in case you don't already know how "beautiful" (ha, ha) the beach there is. There's definately better beaches to hang out on.
My final thought on san jose is that, there are so many options. I haven't began to uncover them all. I'm glad I'll be returning here to catch my return flight to the US. There are lots of hot girls, and I think if you spend time on the hunt here, you will be pleasantly rewarded. Just don't pay the first hot girl you see $100 for an hour, por favor.
[QUOTE=Chase Star]Remember me? Its sounds like you're having a great time and don't really need any advice. I know you feel like you don't have anything new to add to the info already here, but I'd really like to hear your thoughts on the comparatives of CR mongering vs. what you found in the other CA countries you've visited so far.
Your friend,
Prolijo (aka Chase Star)[/QUOTE]
Sure I remember you! You're one of the guys who gave me the most helpful advice, for which I am still grateful. Actually, you second-guessed me. I do plan to post something on comparative CA mongering after I have concluded my trip and returned to the states. I may act on your suggestion that I introduce myself to the guys here. I'll keep you posted.
Lorenzo
[QUOTE=Kid Cisco]I went on a tour/trip like that once in South American (Brazil/Colombia/Argentina/and back to Brazil) and it almost KILLED me LOL I am gathering INTEL on Panama so if you can let me about hotels etc. On Panama that would be nice.[/QUOTE]
I'm booked at the El Panama, which appears to be a 4-star hotel. I got a special 'Government' rate which I think is about $85 a night. They say you are required to present a government ID to get this rate. Problem is I retired 2 years ago, so I'm going to present them with an ID and hope they don't notice that it expired 2-1/2 years ago. If they make an issue of it, I may have to pay the regular rate, which is about $120 a night. Hope they don't read this forum! I'll let you know what the hotel is like.
Lorenzo
[QUOTE=Kid Cisco]I know lots of other people beside mongers that like to stay at the Prez and they wouldn't want to see some of the stuff I have seen the girls in when they are trying to eat breakfast in the morning (like having a dresses on so short that everytime the girl bend over you can see count her hairs hanging out of her her thongs (if she even have on some) LOL. [/QUOTE]You mean to say that you've actually seen a working girl at the Prez that doesn't shave her bush down to the stubble!!??
That's the girl I am looking for Chase Star Kid Cisco.
Bring back the BUSH.rbc100
[QUOTE=R Brandon]Bring back the BUSH.rbc100[/QUOTE]GOD NO! Two terms are more than enough. :)
NO NO NO, I did not mean the president.Just let ther be hair down there like it should be.rbc100
[QUOTE=Lorenzo]I'm booked at the El Panama, which appears to be a 4-star hotel. I got a special 'Government' rate which I think is about $85 a night. They say you are required to present a government ID to get this rate. Problem is I retired 2 years ago, so I'm going to present them with an ID and hope they don't notice that it expired 2-1/2 years ago. If they make an issue of it, I may have to pay the regular rate, which is about $120 a night. Hope they don't read this forum! I'll let you know what the hotel is like.
Lorenzo[/QUOTE]Thanks,
Let me know how things go as far as girl friendly etc. at El Panama and how far is it from the red light area etc., just PM me.
Kid Cisco
Hi guys,
Since traveling to brazil is not a good idea right now with all the violence and the police raids, i am looking for an alternative. So, i thought about costa rica
I am sure I will be hammered by asking this, but I am going to anyway.
Can somebody please provide me with the following info (maybe this can become a 'sticky' for newbies)
1. Best hotel to stay at (just need the name)
2. Best p4p clubs to visit (no need for the girls names, or how it function, etc.)
Thanks alot.
Any help will be appreciated by thsis poor newbie.
[QUOTE=Tiradentes]Hi guys,
Since traveling to brazil is not a good idea right now with all the violence and the police raids, i am looking for an alternative. So, i thought about costa rica
I am sure I will be hammered by asking this, but I am going to anyway.
Can somebody please provide me with the following info (maybe this can become a 'sticky' for newbies)
1. Best hotel to stay at (just need the name)
2. Best p4p clubs to visit (no need for the girls names, or how it function, etc.)
Thanks alot.
Any help will be appreciated by thsis poor newbie 1.Hotel El Presidente 2. Del Rey for girls ..(these places are a block apart...mule
With this info, I can start the research on my coming san jose trip. I just needed a 'foothold'.
if you need short and consice information (without going ito pages and pages of details) about sao paolo, or rio , brazil, you can always ask me.
Tiradentes
[QUOTE=Tiradentes]With this info, I can start the research on my coming san jose trip. I just needed a 'foothold'.
if you need short and consice information (without going ito pages and pages of details) about sao paolo, or rio , brazil, you can always ask me.
Tiradentes[/QUOTE]Best Hotel Sportsmen Lodge
OASIS andPantera Rose P$P
Just one more gesture to any mongers who might want to meet up next week - I'll be in C.R. next week, arriving Tuesday mid-afternoon and leaving Friday mid-afternoon. In-between, if anyone wants to meet up/share stories, have negotiating power (strength in numbers, play good-cop/bad-cop, etc.), send me a PM. Have met up with mongers the world over and have always enjoyed those meetings, and vice versa. (and NO ... I don't "swing both ways" in case you're worried! LOL)
be safe - and look for reports from me from C.R. mid- to late-next week!
mrvee
This will be my second and last report from Costa Rica on my ongoing series of reports on my mongering tour through Central America. Actually I'm now back in the US, but I need to finish my reports for Costa Rica and Panama, after which I plan to issue a comparative rating of all 7 CA countries. Unfortunately I lost some time from mongering in CR that I never got back, due to some wildlife excursions and then an unexpected attack of the stomach flu that laid me up for a day and a half. Consequently, I was never able to sample any of the 'houses' in San Jose and see how they compare to those in other countries. I had especially wanted to go to Zona Blue, but the gods of mongering didn't let it happen.
On my last full day in San Jose, I made another walk through the Blue Marlin, hoping I wouldn't be as turned off as I was the first time. I walked through about 1:00 PM, and even at that time there were over 30 women there. Many were quite young and a handful were attractive and doable, but no head turners. But this is understandable considering the time of day. I'm sure the 9s and 10s wait until prime time to come out. But what struck me about the Blue Marlin was the incredible number of skanks. Again, maybe it was the time of day. But I found it hard to believe that some of these women would have the nerve to offer themselves for sale. There was one woman who was at least 50 years old, and ugly. There were several other women who appeared to be middle aged, and they were the most aggressive. Several of them accosted me, saying they wanted me. How they stood a chance competing with the younger girls, I don't know. Somebody must be desperate enough to go with them, or they wouldn't come back. But I decided that this scene wasn't for me and went back to the Sportsmen's Lodge and took a brief nap.
By this time it was later in the afternoon and I was ready for action. There were several fine looking girls sitting at the Sportsmen's bar, and one of them caught my eye so we sat down to talk. Her name was Raquel, she was 26, and she was ready to bargain. We negotiated what sex acts we would perform and agreed on a price of US$60, then went back to my room. What a way to spend the afternoon! It was a first rate sexual experience. Raquel has a beautiful body, as attractive as her face, and she was great in bed. She was totally unhurried, and it was a true GFE. We did DFK, BBBJ, DATY, and CFS in the reverse cowgirl position, which has now become my favorite position. Like a true pro, she kept pumping me even after I came to make sure I got it all out. I would recommend Raquel most highly. Caution: there is another girl named Raquel who is nowhere near as attractive. The Raquel I was with has deep set eyes, brown hair, and is 26. I'll post a photo separately. A true gem. BTW, Raquel confirmed, when I asked her, that all the girls who hang around Sportsmen's are prescreened by management, which I was glad to hear. They don't want just anyone hanging around there. This explains the high percentage of attractive girls.
I think I need to elaborate a bit more on the Sportsmen's, because none of the previous posts I have read give an accurate sense of what staying there is like, including both the pros and cons. First, the pros. I don't think I realized before I stayed there that Sportsmen's is strictly a mongering hotel. I don't think anyone else stays there but mongers, or if they do they don't stay long. Early in my stay there I did see an elderly couple one night, but they weren't there the next night. In my previous report I stated that the clientele seemed to be mostly older mongers, but later I did see some younger mongers there. This hotel is totally centered around mongering; mongering is it's focus, it's raison d'etre. And toward this end they even supply the girls, although there is no pressure to go with the girls, and you are perfectly free not to and to go elsewhere. I am not exaggerating when I make the following statement: if you come to Costa Rica for the primary purpose of mongering, you can, if you want to, stay at the Sportsmen's and never leave during the entire stay. They have a restaurant, a bar, cable, and girls. You probably would want to get out after a few days, but you don't have to if you don't want to.
So what's the downside? Very simple: the noise level. I don't know if this is true of the rooms in the back, but I stayed in the Presidential Suite, in the very front, so I'm sure what I'm saying is true of all the rooms around the central atrium. The walls are like paper; you can hear every footstep, every cough, every conversation in the vicinity of the room. In fact, I was a little self-conscious when fucking because all three of my partners moaned during sex, and I let out a moan myself when I came. Since all of these encounters occurred during the day, I'm sure this could be heard outside, although I really didn't give a shit.
At night, Sportsmen's is especially noisy. There are a bunch of drunken, raucous mongers talking, whooping, and guffawing in the bar until nearly midnight, when management brings it to an abrupt halt. One night around 10pm I was working on the computer when I heard an unusual amount of noise coming from the bar. I went in to see what was going on. There were two chicas standing on the bar, in effect doing a strip tease. Guys were yelling at them to take it off, take it off, and stuffing bills into their panties. I didn't stick around long enough to see if they actually got naked. But the noise continued. So you'll have to decide for yourself if this high noise level is worth it. If I were to come to San Jose again, I would probably stay there, put up with the noise, and go out just to eat, maybe taking a chica with me.
Overall, Costa Rica is probably the best mongering spot in CA, with El Salvador a close second. ES has the advantage of being unspoiled and having very few gringo tourists, but this will probably change eventually. CR falls short of being a world class mongering spot like Rio or Bangkok, but it is a first class regional mongering site. Since I am one of the few mongers on this forum--maybe the only one--who has mongered in all 7 CA countries, I plan to put together a comparative rating of all 7 countries and post it on each country's threads.
Lorenzo
[QUOTE=Lorenzo]This will be my second and last report from Costa Rica on my ongoing series of reports on my mongering tour through Central America. Actually I'm now back in the US, but I need to finish my reports for Costa Rica and Panama, after which I plan to issue a comparative rating of all 7 CA countries. Unfortunately I lost some time from mongering in CR that I never got back, due to some wildlife excursions and then an unexpected attack of the stomach flu that laid me up for a day and a half. Consequently, I was never able to sample any of the 'houses' in San Jose and see how they compare to those in other countries. I had especially wanted to go to Zona Blue, but the gods of mongering didn't let it happen.
On my last full day in San Jose, I made another walk through the Blue Marlin, hoping I wouldn't be as turned off as I was the first time. I walked through about 1:00 PM, and even at that time there were over 30 women there. Many were quite young and a handful were attractive and doable, but no head turners. But this is understandable considering the time of day. I'm sure the 9s and 10s wait until prime time to come out. But what struck me about the Blue Marlin was the incredible number of skanks. Again, maybe it was the time of day. But I found it hard to believe that some of these women would have the nerve to offer themselves for sale. There was one woman who was at least 50 years old, and ugly. There were several other women who appeared to be middle aged, and they were the most aggressive. Several of them accosted me, saying they wanted me. How they stood a chance competing with the younger girls, I don't know. Somebody must be desperate enough to go with them, or they wouldn't come back. But I decided that this scene wasn't for me and went back to the Sportsmen's Lodge and took a brief nap.
By this time it was later in the afternoon and I was ready for action. There were several fine looking girls sitting at the Sportsmen's bar, and one of them caught my eye so we sat down to talk. Her name was Raquel, she was 26, and she was ready to bargain. We negotiated what sex acts we would perform and agreed on a price of US$60, then went back to my room. What a way to spend the afternoon! It was a first rate sexual experience. Raquel has a beautiful body, as attractive as her face, and she was great in bed. She was totally unhurried, and it was a true GFE. We did DFK, BBBJ, DATY, and CFS in the reverse cowgirl position, which has now become my favorite position. Like a true pro, she kept pumping me even after I came to make sure I got it all out. I would recommend Raquel most highly. Caution: there is another girl named Raquel who is nowhere near as attractive. The Raquel I was with has deep set eyes, brown hair, and is 26. I'll post a photo separately. A true gem. BTW, Raquel confirmed, when I asked her, that all the girls who hang around Sportsmen's are prescreened by management, which I was glad to hear. They don't want just anyone hanging around there. This explains the high percentage of attractive girls.
I think I need to elaborate a bit more on the Sportsmen's, because none of the previous posts I have read give an accurate sense of what staying there is like, including both the pros and cons. First, the pros. I don't think I realized before I stayed there that Sportsmen's is strictly a mongering hotel. I don't think anyone else stays there but mongers, or if they do they don't stay long. Early in my stay there I did see an elderly couple one night, but they weren't there the next night. In my previous report I stated that the clientele seemed to be mostly older mongers, but later I did see some younger mongers there. This hotel is totally centered around mongering; mongering is it's focus, it's raison d'etre. And toward this end they even supply the girls, although there is no pressure to go with the girls, and you are perfectly free not to and to go elsewhere. I am not exaggerating when I make the following statement: if you come to Costa Rica for the primary purpose of mongering, you can, if you want to, stay at the Sportsmen's and never leave during the entire stay. They have a restaurant, a bar, cable, and girls. You probably would want to get out after a few days, but you don't have to if you don't want to.
So what's the downside? Very simple: the noise level. I don't know if this is true of the rooms in the back, but I stayed in the Presidential Suite, in the very front, so I'm sure what I'm saying is true of all the rooms around the central atrium. The walls are like paper; you can hear every footstep, every cough, every conversation in the vicinity of the room. In fact, I was a little self-conscious when fucking because all three of my partners moaned during sex, and I let out a moan myself when I came. Since all of these encounters occurred during the day, I'm sure this could be heard outside, although I really didn't give a shit.
At night, Sportsmen's is especially noisy. There are a bunch of drunken, raucous mongers talking, whooping, and guffawing in the bar until nearly midnight, when management brings it to an abrupt halt. One night around 10pm I was working on the computer when I heard an unusual amount of noise coming from the bar. I went in to see what was going on. There were two chicas standing on the bar, in effect doing a strip tease. Guys were yelling at them to take it off, take it off, and stuffing bills into their panties. I didn't stick around long enough to see if they actually got naked. But the noise continued. So you'll have to decide for yourself if this high noise level is worth it. If I were to come to San Jose again, I would probably stay there, put up with the noise, and go out just to eat, maybe taking a chica with me.
Overall, Costa Rica is probably the best mongering spot in CA, with El Salvador a close second. ES has the advantage of being unspoiled and having very few gringo tourists, but this will probably change eventually. CR falls short of being a world class mongering spot like Rio or Bangkok, but it is a first class regional mongering site. Since I am one of the few mongers on this forum--maybe the only one--who has mongered in all 7 CA countries, I plan to put together a comparative rating of all 7 countries and post it on each country's threads.
Lorenzo[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the report, this is very helpful.
I have been thinking of staying at the SL now that the Prez is turning away chicas due to some half-baked dress code. But I will now look elsewhere if it's that noisy. Can one go hang out at the SL without staying there? That might be more my style. When I call it a night, I want to be able to sleep, not hear drunks at a bar, etc.
As to the Del Rey, I can see how it might be full of skanks at 1pm, although the few times I've gone in there in the afternoon, I've always found at least a few girls who would have been worthy of a $50 afternoon delight. But I hope you realize that at night it's another story. If you can't find at least half a dozen you would want to take to your room, after 9pm, or 10pm, then you must be WAY too picky. I can never walk in there in the evening without seeing at least a dozen or so I'd love to try out, and if I were rich, all I can say is, my dick would be sore after a couple days... But to each his own, and maybe Ticas and Nicas just aren't your style, overall. Glad you found a suitable one at the SL though. Are you going to Panama? I'll be curious to see how you find Panama compares with Costa Rica. I did not make it to Panama City, only David, so I can't really say. But I thought David was sorely lacking both in mongering destinations and in good looking women.
[QUOTE=Johnny Sax]Can one go hang out at the SL without staying there? That might be more my style.[/QUOTE]
I don't see why not, as long as you spend some money on food or booze. There's an armed security guard at the front entrance, but he'll probably let any gringo in.
I did pick up someone at the Del Rey a few days earlier who was very good. I didn't mean to imply that it isn't a good place to find women. I was just surprised at the high percentage of skanks. But you can always pass on the skanks and go straight to the babes. I was just puzzled as to who would go with them and how they survived.
I did get to Panama City, and I posted a report. However, as my report indicates, I didn't do it justice. If I had to do this trip over, I would do it in reverse, i.e., start in Panama and work my way north, ending in Belize. That way I would have more energy for Panama and Costa Rica.
Lorenzo
Great report, Lorenzo! Though I can't speak on how CR compares to other CA countries (except for Guatemala), I would have to agree with you on most of the rest of your commentary. I agree that CR may not be a world class mongering destination on the level of BKK or Rio, but IS a first class regional spot. The KEY though is that it is in a region that is much more easily accessible to the North American monger than those other places. Allow me to add a few other observations in relation to some of the other points you just made.
First, regarding the SL. The noise factor is one that has been commonly mentioned. I've never stayed there myself but I have visited there and can definitely see what everybody is talking about. The problem is not all that unique to the SL, though it might be a little worse there than it is at some of the other offenders. Besides the raucousness at the bar or the possibly "paper thin" walls, I think the problem is really mostly due to the predominance of hard surfaces throughout the building. Frankly, I think the Prez has a very similar problem for exactly the same reason. The only real difference is that the News Cafe is shut off from the rest of the building and is not really a major noise producer anyway. But you still get the noise from drunken mongers and moaning chicas everywhere else in the building. Some of the other hotels have carpeted rooms and common areas which keeps the noise down much more but also makes for a more rundown, dirty and threadbare appearance over time as carpeting is harder to keep clean and maintain. This may be a deal stopper for a lot of guys, but I think its no big deal and a fairly simple solution to just bring a pair of earplugs if you're a light sleeper and expect this might be a problem.
Next (enough about hotels), what about the chicas at the BM? Again, I can readily see what Lorenzo is talking about. A big part of the reason for the paucity of talent was certainly the time of day but I think the place is also vastly over-rated even later in the evening (more on that in a moment). What it does have going for it is volume. Quality is another question. Lorenzo's DAY-time scouting report of over 30 women, some attractive but no real headturners and quite a few skanks jibes with my own DAYtime experiences there (except perhaps that it was probably busier than usual for that time of day).
As Lorenzo realized the prime talent comes out at prime time. The corrolary is that the skanks come out when the competition is less. The answer to the question of who goes with these chicas is at the same time quite simple and also an age-old mystery. First of all, few guys do go for them BUT it only takes ONE desperate fool per week for those skanks to hit their target. But how do they even get that one? There's the mystery. There's someone for everyone and there's no accounting for taste. Some guys like gordas. Some guys like skanks. Some guys like to REALLY bargain shop. Some guys are just plain blind. Another explanation is that aggressiveness that Lorenzo alluded to. Because they're so fugly, they HAVE to be aggressive and because they're so aggressive it sometimes pays off.
Despite all that, I still think it is sometimes worthwhile to do a little early fishing. Along with fewer chicas, you also have fewer mongers and many of the mongers you do have there during the day are just chilling out. So there's also less competition from fellow mongers and if there is a fairly decent looking chica that pops in you can just swoop in on her (something that is not always so easy to do later at night). Another thing is that there is a lot to be said for going with just decent looking 7's & 8's as opposed to waiting until later at night for the 9's & 10's as they often provide much better service. And some additional factors is that they may be less rushed, less drunk and/or less in a hurry to get back to the BM for another score during the day when there isn't so much going on back there than they'd be once the sun goes down.
Which brings me to my statement about the place being over-rated at night as well. I know this will get me some flak from other members, but I think its true. Johnnysax said:[quote]If you can't find at least half a dozen you would want to take to your room, after 9pm, or 10pm, then you must be WAY too picky. I can never walk in there in the evening without seeing at least a dozen or so I'd love to try out, and if I were rich, all I can say is, my dick would be sore after a couple days.[/quote]This may well be completely true. The question though should really be what you'll have to pay for those 9's & 10's and what sort of service you'll get from them in most cases. Now I'm not talking about comparing them to their equivalent in the US. Of course you won't even get a 7 in the US for $100/hour but that's not a fair or even relevant comparison. You've spent all this money to fly down there and to stay and you EXPECT to get more. The comparison you should be making is to what you could get for your money elsewhere in SJ or even elsewhere in the world for a similar investment of money and time.
By and large the BEST looking talent at the BM (that top half dozen or so tha JS referred to) are very hard if not impossible to bargain down much below their $100 (or recently sometimes even higher) initial asking price. In other words, you WOULD have to be rich to get a sore dick with them. And the reason is very simple. They don't have to discount their rates because they can wait it out and will soon find some other sucker who is more than happy to pay that top dollar. Even for me it might be worth paying that much IF I KNEW she was REALLY as good as she looks. However, often it is those chicas who don't deliver up what their looks or demeanor at the bar promises: a) because they're simply so hot they feel they don't have to and b) because they know the sooner they finish up with you they can get back to the bar and find some other guy to pay them another $100 within minutes of getting back there. For some guys that doesn't matter. Just being with a 10 is worth the extra dough even if she doesn't provide GFE. I realize these generalizations are not true of all the hottest chicas but, unless you've been with that chica before or one of your friends have and therefore you KNOW what you're getting, its true with a large enough percentage that it isn't generally worth taking the chance.
The chicas that I don't understand are the 2nd tier looking chicas (the 7's and 8's) who hold to the $100 price all night hour after hour. I guess they'd rather go once per night for an hour at $100 than 2-3 times or more during the course of an evening for $60 per throw. Maybe its simple pride or maybe they're making so much more (sitting around having guys buy them drinks all night and then making that $100 for an hour's work) than they would working hard all day in some shop that the $100 is all they need or want.
Fortunately for us, not all of these 7's and 8's are so stuck on the $100 mark and the deeper in the barrel you fish or the later in the evening you wait the more flexibility in pricing you are likely to find them. The trick is to find the right balance. Do you hold out on the hot chica you have your eye on until later in the evening when she'll be more flexible hoping no one else will go for her $100 price either or do you risk she'll find her mark for the evening and it won't be you? Generally, I've found that can be a very dangerous game not worth playing since you'll probably find the selection not quite as good at 2AM. Do you go with the 6 who readily dropped her rate to $50/hr and will probably go GFE all over your ass for that and/or stay well beyond the hour or do you go with an 8 that you had to work down to $80/hr and may or may not be so wild in bed? It should also be pointed that the relationships between what you pay, what she looks like and how good she is back at your room do not always correlate. I've had $50 6's who were rip-off artists. I've had 8's that were total GFE's worth well more than what I paid. I've had 7's that I had to work to get down to $70 and later regretted not just walking away. You can negotiate and interview but you never really know what you're getting. That's why I like to repeat with chicas I've been with before and KNOW are good or at least go with chicas that were recommended by guys I trust. My last observation is that in my experience it is usually better to negotiate the services than to overly negotiate the price. I'd rather pay $80 or $100 for a couple of hours than work a girl down to $50 for an hour. She may agree to $50 but she'll be thinking of getting back to the bar to make the rest of her nightly target. But for $100, its not unlikely that she'll feel like she's made her goal for the night and if you treat her right she'll give you even more than you asked for in terms of service and/or time.
Chase Star,
Very astute observations. We're all different and have different wants and needs, but for me the GFE is the most important thing. I'd rather have a GFE with a 6 than go with a 10 who acts bored, rushed, cold, and bitchy. There's much more to sexual arousal than physical appearance. There has to be some chemistry. That's why it's a good idea to spend some time talking with a chica before committing to anything. If you have good chemistry during the preliminary talking session, you're likely to have it in the bedroom, too. Of course, there are always exceptions. I've had chicas who underwent a complete personality change once we get to the bedroom, or to be more precise, once I've paid her. This is why I've learned from bitter experience never to pay up front. Once you've gotten to the bedroom, 9 out of 10 chicas will agree to being paid when you've finished, if they even bring it up at all. If a girl insists on being paid up front, don't hesitate to show her the door. If you don't, you will almost certainly have a lousy experience.
You're also absolutely right about the importance of negotiating for services rather than price. This is just good common sense. You want to know what you're paying for before you discuss price. I always tell a chica what I want; if she doesn't agree, I move on and we never get to price. I've never had a chica not do what she said she was going to do, primarily because I think she knows that if she doesn't perform she won't get paid, at least not the full amount we agreed on.
Lorenzo
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Some guys like gordas. Some guys like skanks. Some guys like to REALLY bargain shop. Some guys are just plain blind. Another explanation is that aggressiveness that Lorenzo alluded to. Because they're so fugly, they HAVE to be aggressive and because they're so aggressive it sometimes pays off.
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Right. I met a guy last time I was at the BM, who loved fat chicks! I don't mean girls with what I call the "Latina tummy", I mean downright FAT chicks. I was shocked at the girls he went for, and I don't think it was because they were cheap, it was just his thing. Weird. To each his own! As to the aggresion factor, that too is true. I have sat in Key Largo late at night, not really looking for sex, just hanging out, when this older, not so great looking woman came and worked on me... Over time, I began to find her sexy, and she started really turning me on, and I thought, "What the hell? For $50, I might have a really good time with this woman!" ... and it turned out that I did. She wasn't butt ugly, but she certainly wasn't someone I'd have seen in the bar and said "Wow! I gotta have some of that!" But sometimes it pays off, and you end up having great sex!
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Despite all that, I still think it is sometimes worthwhile to do a little early fishing. Along with fewer chicas, you also have fewer mongers and many of the mongers you do have there during the day are just chilling out. So there's also less competition from fellow mongers and if there is a fairly decent looking chica that pops in you can just swoop in on her (something that is not always so easy to do later at night). Another thing is that there is a lot to be said for going with just decent looking 7's & 8's as opposed to waiting until later at night for the 9's & 10's as they often provide much better service. And some additional factors is that they may be less rushed, less drunk and/or less in a hurry to get back to the BM for another score during the day when there isn't so much going on back there than they'd be once the sun goes down.[/quote]
I totally agree. Sometimes it is way better to go with a very friendly and nice 7-8 than it is to go with a 10 who is just going to give you a "wham, bang, thank you, man!" and get right back for another $100. Fortunately although I can appreciate a 10 as much as the next guy, I also have my own "type" and they are more the "cute" type who are 7's, 8's and 9's, and I usually see a 10 and automatically think, "Yeah, but she's going to be a b*tch!"
[QUOTE=Chase Star]The question though should really be what you'll have to pay for those 9's & 10's and what sort of service you'll get from them in most cases. Now I'm not talking about comparing them to their equivalent in the US. Of course you won't even get a 7 in the US for $100/hour but that's not a fair or even relevant comparison. You've spent all this money to fly down there and to stay and you EXPECT to get more. The comparison you should be making is to what you could get for your money elsewhere in SJ or even elsewhere in the world for a similar investment of money and time.
By and large the BEST looking talent at the BM (that top half dozen or so tha JS referred to) are very hard if not impossible to bargain down much below their $100 (or recently sometimes even higher) initial asking price. In other words, you WOULD have to be rich to get a sore dick with them. And the reason is very simple. They don't have to discount their rates because they can wait it out and will soon find some other sucker who is more than happy to pay that top dollar.[/quote]
I agree 100%. I wasn't implying that I go for those 9's and 10's, only that they are there to behold, that the selection is good. My mongering buddy and I have opposite approaches. He goes only for the 9's and 10's and puts up with the fact that they often don't provide great service. For him, it's just the idea of being with someone who looks so hot and sexy. I've been there, done that, but I find it much more satisfying to be with a 7 or 8 who gives me a GFE or at least is fun to be with and isn't in a hurry.
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The chicas that I don't understand are the 2nd tier looking chicas (the 7's and 8's) who hold to the $100 price all night hour after hour. I guess they'd rather go once per night for an hour at $100 than 2-3 times or more during the course of an evening for $60 per throw. Maybe its simple pride or maybe they're making so much more (sitting around having guys buy them drinks all night and then making that $100 for an hour's work) than they would working hard all day in some shop that the $100 is all they need or want.
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I think it is a combination of pride, plus not needing to make that much money. On the other hand, how proud can they be, standing there for hours, and knowing that all night no one was willing to pay them $100? It is STILL a mystery to me, because I just can't see why they wouldn't rather make $70 or so, and get the money in their pocket with the opportunity to MAYBE come back and make another $70 or so, and avoid the embarrassment of being "passed over" all night.
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Fortunately for us, not all of these 7's and 8's are so stuck on the $100 mark and the deeper in the barrel you fish or the later in the evening you wait the more flexibility in pricing you are likely to find them. The trick is to find the right balance. Do you hold out on the hot chica you have your eye on until later in the evening when she'll be more flexible hoping no one else will go for her $100 price either or do you risk she'll find her mark for the evening and it won't be you?[/quote]
Exactly. This is what often happens to those who play that game: their girl ends up finding someone else and they lose out, feel bummed that they didn't get her. I say if you want one particular girl THAT bad, then you should just go to her, negotiate as best you can, and head back with her. I usually am more flexible and I find enough girls I'm interested in, that if one holds out for $80 or more, I'll move on to the next girl. I usually prefer not to pay more than $70 or so, which is why I prefer Zona Blue, New Fantasy (at least, before when there were some hot babes there), and Idem. But I HAVE paid $100, but only for the whole night, and with a girl who I really enjoyed hanging out with for a couple hours before we headed to my room
[QUOTE=Chase Star]
I've had 8's that were total GFE's worth well more than what I paid. I've had 7's that I had to work to get down to $70 and later regretted not just walking away. You can negotiate and interview but you never really know what you're getting. That's why I like to repeat with chicas I've been with before and KNOW are good or at least go with chicas that were recommended by guys I trust. [/QUOTE]
Again, I agree 100%. I also like to do repeat business with girls I know are good. If I know someone is great, and we had a great time together, I'll usually go with her at least one more time.
But I also like variety, and that's where the risk comes in. I always buy them a drink or two, talk to them awhile, and see how they act. If they don't want to hang out and talk for at least half an hour, then the hell with them. There was this one Asian girl (1/2 Asian) in the BM and I went over to talk with her. After about 2 minutes, she asked me if I wanted to go to my room, and I said "Maybe, in a while..." and she said, "Well, I'm working right now, so I don't want to talk," and brushed me off. I feel sorry for the suckers who get stuck with girls like this! But it's "live and learn"; I guess after you've had a girl like that - no matter how hot she looks - you soon learn to try harder to "read" a girl before choosing her.
I HAVE had girls I consider 10's, and I've gotten them for $80 or so. However, usually it isn't worth it to me, and 9 out of 10 of them are not that good at what they do and are in a hurry to get back. I've only ever had a couple of 10's who I felt were worth the money, whereas I've had many 7's and 8's who were worth double or triple what I paid. Priceless, actually!
I think there were very astute observations all around by EACH of us in the last 3 posts. Members with less mongering experience would do well to study all of those posts carefully. I'd like to add a few comments though that Lorenzo's post brought to mind: [QUOTE=Lorenzo]That's why it's a good idea to spend some time talking with a chica before committing to anything. If you have good chemistry during the preliminary talking session, you're likely to have it in the bedroom, too. Of course, there are always exceptions. I've had chicas who underwent a complete personality change once we get to the bedroom, or to be more precise, once I've paid her. This is why I've learned from bitter experience never to pay up front. Once you've gotten to the bedroom, 9 out of 10 chicas will agree to being paid when you've finished, if they even bring it up at all. If a girl insists on being paid up front, don't hesitate to show her the door. If you don't, you will almost certainly have a lousy experience.[/QUOTE]
1) Spending time talking to the chica first is really the best screening tool. You don't even really have to spend that time "interviewing" her per se for the possible session ahead. One thing that I like to do is invite them over to the KL for a little dancing. If they're willing to take that short walk, which means they're going to HAVE to spend a little extra time with you, its a good sign. If they balk and just keep trying to get you to commit to taking them back to your room, then that may be a warning sign.
2) While the various prescreening methods can improve your odds they're still FAR from perfect. Guys often use the fishing metaphor to describe what we do in the "pink snapper" palace of the Blue Marlin, but who is REALLY doing the fishing is an open question. Sometimes I think they're really reeling US in rather than the other way around. They know (or at least the craftier ones do) what we look for INCLUDING the "non-rush" factor. To them its like reeling in a fish. You don't rush it or the fish may break the line. On the other hand once you get them in the boat, you just quickly put them on ice and toss in the line again. A girl may say AND DO all the right things in the bar and yet even then when you get them back to your room turn into an entirely different creature.
3) Which brings us to why Lorenzo's last comments are SO important. Vets already know this but it should be repeated in big bold letters "[b]NEVER EVER PAY UP FRONT[/b], at least not in CR for an indie girl (some fixed price MP's are a somewhat different story). There is an oft quoted saying that many of you have heard but others might not have which is "[b]WE NEVER PAY FOR SEX, WE PAY THEM TO LEAVE[/b]". Think about that. It is true on several levels, which I could really go off and philosophize about, but the one that is relevant here is the literal one. We shouldn't pay at the beginning for sex. We should pay at the end, ostensibly for the sex we've just had, but in many other ways just to get them to leave.
Lorenzo's estimate is pretty good. The majority probably won't even ask for the money up front, though that balance is shifting unfavorably among BM girls as they find increasing numbers of suckers who don't know any better. But even if they do at least 9 in 10 will EASILY back down once you reveal you know how its normally done and insist (hey you can't blame a girl for trying).
As for the ones that are more insistant themselves. Watchout! Its easy to let your little head do the thinking once you've gone through the whole process of leaving the BM, going back to your room checking in (and sometimes paying a chica fee) and possibly getting yourself partially worked up along the way. BTW, sometimes they'll start to strip and/or do a little rubbing to get you worked up before they drop the payment bomb but sometimes they do it first thing before they start to disrobe which might be because they fear you might change your mind once you see what pops out of their clothes once they start to disrobe. If you're tempted to give in don't. If you have to argue with them for more than a minute forget it. Once you've paid you've lost control over the situation and they'll feel less compelled to give it their all or even possibly deliver on all the services that they so assuredly promised you back at the bar. Even if you're able to get them to back down, if you had to really work to get them to do it, it is a bad sign. For one thing, you've changed the tone of the session from one that is a possible GF[b]F[/b]E to one that is clearly commercial. That is a tone that is very hard to get back. More importantly, the girl has revealed something about herself. Maybe her hidden agenda was to get you off and get back to the bar as quickly as possible. That will not have changed. Or maybe she is just going along but will be harboring some sort of resentment over losing that point that will impact her performance. Either way its not a situation worth risking.
The other possibility is that you have to show them you have the money or put it out on top of your bureau or even offer a partial payment with a promise of the balance or even a tip at the end. Some guys will do this. Heck, I'll even admit I have done that on a couple of desperate occasions, but I don't think it is really that good an idea for many of the same reasons outlined above. If it has to come to that, the level of trust and chemistry is not there and the quality of the upcoming session becomes more iffy.
Of course the flip side to this whole discussion is that, by resisting their insistance that we pay them first and trust that they'll deliver as promised, we're essentially insisting ourselves that they trust US to live up to our own word at the end. Given that they're basically *****s (okay, some guys insist that they're people too and don't like that term, but its still basically what they are), IMHO, WE have more reason not to trust THEM. Of course, a lot of them are basically honest business people who follow some sort of code of behavior, but a lot of them would do just about anything they could to part you from your money whether it be in an honest way or not. For their part, I'm sure the chicas encounter more than their share of scumbag mongers that wouldn't have any qualms about shortchanging them. I'd like to believe those guys are a small minority, but I'm sure it happens often enough to explain why some of the chicas are so reluctant to trust the rest of us to live up to our word to pay them at the end.
The moral is to NEVER pay up front, but ALWAYS pay at the end as promised for services delivered as promised (another reason for clarifying what will and won't be done ahead of time). Guys who rip off working girls in this way, make it harder for the rest of us who try to practice this hobby in an honorable way.
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2) While the various prescreening methods can improve your odds they're still FAR from perfect. Guys often use the fishing metaphor to describe what we do in the "pink snapper" palace of the Blue Marlin, but who is REALLY doing the fishing is an open question. Sometimes I think they're really reeling US in rather than the other way around. They know (or at least the craftier ones do) what we look for INCLUDING the "non-rush" factor. To them its like reeling in a fish. You don't rush it or the fish may break the line. On the other hand once you get them in the boat, you just quickly put them on ice and toss in the line again. A girl may say AND DO all the right things in the bar and yet even then when you get them back to your room turn into an entirely different creature.
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One technique I use is, after I have spent some time with them back at the bar and determined that they are not going to rush me or be bitches, is to also let them know there will be an undetermined tip after we're done, if they treat me right. Usually that will be $5-$10, but if they are bitches in any way, it may be zero, and I'll tell them why if they ask about it.
[QUOTE=Johnny Sax]One technique I use is, after I have spent some time with them back at the bar and determined that they are not going to rush me or be bitches, is to also let them know there will be an undetermined tip after we're done, if they treat me right. Usually that will be $5-$10, but if they are bitches in any way, it may be zero, and I'll tell them why if they ask about it.[/QUOTE]
I've done this sometimes with mixed results. If they're really bitches, I will just shut it down right then, and then kick them out or leave. I've had this happen at some cheap places (Molino Rojo), where I just left after they failed to deliver (BBBJ). I don't ask for my money back, but do tell the condom desk that they were bad. Probably didn't make a difference.
I'm always really strict, if they break the prefuck agreement. If they promise/agree to something, and then refuse when they get in the room, then it's over. Either no money, or some taxi money or something. Doing otherwise only encourages them to rip others off.
This will be a summary of my recent month long mongering trip through all 7 Central American countries. I plan to post this report on the forums of all of these countries: Belize, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, and Panama. As some of you know, I have alraedy posted several reports for each of the individual countries, some lengthy, some sketchy because there wasn't much to report. The responses to my reports were overwhelmingly positive, and I want to thank all the guys right now who posted positive responses on the threads and who sent me PMs. I got at least 10 PMs, all of them supportive, and I am grateful for these. A small number of negative responses were posted, all of them on the Honduras and Nicaragua forums. This was probably because I was less than enthusiastic about these countries, and some mongers apparently felt that I had insulted their favorite haunts. Now I am not an especially thin-skinned guy and can take my lumps, but I thought these few responses were surprisingly vicious. The posters seemed to feel the need to attack me personally. They seem to have no conception of the fact that reasonable people can have differing opinions on the same subject and still be civil to each other. I made it quite clear in each of my posts that it was my first time in CA and that I was taking this mongering trip largely out of curiosity to see how the mongering situation was in some countries I had never been to before. I made it clear, and want to make it clear now, that my reports are not intended for the veteran CA monger but for those, like myself, who are veteran mongers but who are new to this area, or at least some of the countries, and to this extent they may be helpful to some. If that isn't the case, well you can always ignore it and move on. But the negative posters just couldn't grasp this. They couldn't grasp why someone who is in a city for the first time might prefer to pay $55 to an escort service to have a chica come directly to his room for some excellent sex, rather than attempt to guide a brain dead taxi driver through the slums of Managua to find a hole in the wall massage parlor where he can get laid for $10. They seem to be unable to grasp that my time and my convenience are worth money too. These doofuses seem to exemplify Oscar Wilde's definition of a cynic as someone who knows the price of everything but the value of nothing. But I guess some people will always be terminally stupid.
Anyway, on to mongering. First I want to make a few observations about visiting CA, based on my trips through these 7 countries, that some might find helpful:
1) With the exception of Costa Rica, the taxi drivers in CA seem NEVER to have change--NEVER. So you will be well advised, early in your stay in a country, to stock up on the country's smallest paper currency unit.
2) The taxi drivers in Guatemala City and Managua are the dumbest in the world--and I've been all over the world. In GC, always have the address written down. In Managua you can't even do this, because there aren't any addresses! By contrast, the San Jose taxi drivers seem smart and helpful.
3) Even top of the line hotels may not have all the amenities you might expect. For example, I didn't once see an English langauage newspaper in the 6 Spanish speaking countries; I guess they've never heard of the International Herald Tribune. This is surprising, because it can be found all over South America. What is even more surprising is that it is often hard to find newspapers even in Spanish; the Holiday Inn in Guatemala City had no newspapers at all. Similarly, if you need toothpaste or deodorant, don't expect your hotel to have it; you'll probably have to go to a tienda.
4) You will need to have some knowledge of Spanish--period. This is especially true in El Salvador, Honduras, and Nicaragua.
5) I found Central Americans to be exceptionally warm, friendly, and helpful during my trip. I even had the manager of a Guatemala City restaurant drive me back to my hotel when I couldn't find a taxi. I didn't meet a single nasty person. But read on.
6) In all of these countries, watch your back. Your physical safety comes first. If you don't know an area, don't assume it's safe. Take a taxi from door to door, even for short distances. Take only official taxis, and except in Managua, don't get in a taxi if another passenger is in it. (In Managua, taxis are routinely shared.)
Now on to my comparative country ratings. In evaluating the countries comparatively, I took the following factors into consideration: the ease of getting pussy; the quality of the girls, i.e., physical attractiveness, without considering their expertise; the quality of the sexual experience, which means the sexual skills of the girls, physical attractiveness aside; and price. For the record, I had sex in all 7 countries, 11 girls, 14 encounters (3 of them repeats, obviously). I'll make comments on each of these factors for each country, and then I'll give each country a rating from 1 through 10. What am I using as my paradigms? Well, I'm a veteran Rio de Janeiro monger, and to me Rio is the pussy capital of the world, so Rio would get a 10: easily available sex, beautiful girls who are highly skilled sexually, and reasonable prices (although Rio has gotten more expensive lately). Bangkok would get a 9.75, only because Thai girls are not always good kissers. As for a 1, I've never experienced a 1, but it would be something like what I imagine a conservative Moslem country to be: a place where getting laid is difficult or impossible, and might even be dangerous. So those are the parameters, and herewith the individual country summaries.
BELIZE: There is only one reliable place to get laid in Belize, which is Raul's Rose Garden near the Belize City airport. An hour with a bored chica or Belizean girl resulting in lackluster sex will cost about US$75. A few posters say they have gotten connections to girls from taxi drivers, but I had no luck with this. OVERALL RATING: 2.
GUATEMALA: Guatemala City has the highest concentration of quality chicas in all of CA, approaching but not equaling the termas in Rio. They are also very skilled sexually and I had them do everything I asked. However, it is also the most expensive. In the two best clubs, the rates are US$78 for 1/2 hour and US$156 for an hour, fixed by the club, not negotiable. There are cheaper places, but the quality of girls is nowhere near as high. Avoid the Club Elite; it's a ripoff for people on expense accounts and gullible tourists. OVERALL RATING: 8
EL SALVADOR: This country is CA's hidden gem. Pussy is readily available, All the girls I was with are quite skilled sexually, and DFK/BBBJ/DATY/CFS seem to be the norm. CIM was no problem. And it's incredibly cheap! There is a slight variation in the prices at the clubs, but the average is about US$25 for 1/2 hour and US$40 for an hour. So what's the drawback? Simple: the quality of the girls is not high. There are some attractive honeys available if you look, but the majority of the girls in the houses are skanks, and some are outright pigs. But as I said, the good ones are there if you look--really look. On the San Salvador thread, Cpteasy's posts are quite informative. OVERALL RATING: 8.5
HONDURAS: A wretched country; if Honduras has any redeeming qualities, I didn't see any. Don't come here for mongering. If you must come here, I suppose you can find something. You'll probably fare better in San Pedro Sula than Tegucigalpa. On the SPS thread, Ford's posts are pretty good. As for Tegucigalpa, forget it. It's easier to get laid in North Korea than Tegucigalpa. (If you think I'm exaggerating, I'm not: read my post from the North Korea forum: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=400531&postcount=44[/url].) All I could manage to get was a hand job. As far as I could tell from the Tegucigalpa thread, that's all that anyone got. I read every single post on this thread and didn't find a single person who got laid or even got a blow job. OVERALL RATING: 1.5
NICARAGUA: Not quite as wretched as Honduras, but close. At least Leon is interesting as a tourist attraction, and I have heard Granada is too. Managua is a chaotic city where the streets don't even have names. Your best bet for mongering is to call an escort service in the Yellow Pages and hope for the best. I had good results from Bellamaris; cost US$55. OVERALL RATING: 4
COSTA RICA: Costa Rica, especially San Jose, is one of the best documented forums on this website, so I don't need to say a lot. Pussy is readily available, all over the place actually. The girls are uniformly good in bed, DFK/BBBJ/DATY/CFS the norm. Prices are reasonable; I never paid more than US$60 for an hour. Quality of girls overall is so so. There are some very attractive ones available, but a large number of skanks as well. Your best bet for finding quality chicas is the Sportsmens Lodge. What keeps me from giving CR a 10 is the fact that San Jose just isn't a very interesting city, so there's not much to do but monger. The tourist attractions lie elsewhere in the country. OVERALL RATING: 9
PANAMA: I didn't give Panama the attention it deserves, largely because I was doing tourist things like a canal boat ride, and I was recovering from being sick. I only mongered at one place, River Club, where I got a beautiful chica who was lousy in bed. Cost $US80 cash, $85 credit card. But pussy seems readily available, and I assume that what I paid was representative. But my rating will have to be tentative because of my limited mongering there, so I am basing it largely on other mongers reports as well as my own experience. OVERALL RATING: 7
So there it is. I hope some mongers will find this helpful. If you have experiences to add, please share them. Let's help maintain what should be the fraternal nature of this forum.
Lorenzo
Great post Lorenzo! My CA experience is limited primarily just to CR, but also a little with Guat and think you really hit the mark on at least those 2 countries and probably the others as well based on what I've heard elsewhere. I wouldn't have given Guat such a high mark relative to CR (though they do have some beauts, expensive as they are), but your Rio friends might question the rating you gave CR relative to their place, so I'm not going to quibble. Actually, it was not the low marks for Nicaragua, Belize and Honduras that surprised me (again based on what I've read by those countries own advocates in their respective ISG forums) but the relatively high marks for Guat (as I said before) and ES.
I was planning to visit ES on a similar tour through CA. I've heard that they get very few gringos visitors and that the people are among the friendliest in all of CA. Of course, the fact that they see so few of us may go hand in hand with why they're still so friendly (they haven't seen enough "ugly americans" yet). Because there are so few reports in that forum, I really didn't know much about the mongering. I was planning to visit a few tourist attractions but mostly pass through. I was also planning to take a side trip into Honduras up through the Copan ruins and on to Roatan for some diving with maybe a 1 night stopover in SPS for whatever mongering opportunities it had and bypass Teguc altogether. Now I'm thinking to maybe focus entirely on the tourist activities there and allot more time for ES mongering.
The other thing that sort of gratified me about your post was the reaction you got or should I say didn't get here. Some guys from other regional forums have criticized this group for being overly parochial in our appreciation of CR so it pleases me to hear that it wasn't the CR guys that gave you trouble. Of course, it helped that you had mostly positive things to say about CR but you didn't make us out as perfect. Based on what our detractors from other forums have posted one would have thought you would have gotten a rise out of us when you posted that CR was just a regional mongering spot but not a world class one, but you didn't. Now that I see you've given us a 9, I think that sounds pretty close to being world-class to me. Anyway, your experiences here show that we can take our lumps far better than some other places. I'm really surprised that some of the guys in the Nicaragua and Honduras forum reacted with such hostility to your reports. Granted you gave their countries very low marks, but have they tried reading any of their own posts lately? As near as I can tell, you didn't post anything that was much different from anything else you can read there. In fact, based on the other posts I've read in those forums they sound pretty dismal.
Just wanted to pass this little bit of infomation on to the rest of the fellows...On my last trip , twice i had girls from the b.m. tell me " I WILL GIVE YOU THE PRICE OF $50.00 BUT YOU MUST PROMISE NOT TO TELL ANY OTHER GIRL" i kinda of proud myself of not going higher than 50.00 with any girl from the b.m. or key largo and on my last trip i never did ....i just keep finding better girls for alot less...so when i am in the b.m. i stick to my guns , well as i was saying twice i had girls make me promise not to tell...and this was no joke !! even after the deed they made sure it was clear to me not to tell...as there was some code for them not to go under 70..00 then it happen again and i said , they are trying to join forces to keep the price up, the way i roll now in san jose ...b.m. it a nice place to start the night off , a few drinks , meet up with your wing men, look at a few girls and then get the hell out of there....and as for me , i would hit it again about 3 to 4 in the a.m. ..as many have said before me ...the guys who stay that first nite in san jose then off to their fishing trip....are the ones that are giving in to the 100.00 if they were staying the rest of the week in san jose i think things would be much different...i would like to see them wear a hat "saying " in town for one nite only.........
[QUOTE=ChiliMike]Just wanted to pass this little bit of infomation on to the rest of the fellows...On my last trip , twice i had girls from the b.m. tell me " I WILL GIVE YOU THE PRICE OF $50.00 BUT YOU MUST PROMISE NOT TO TELL ANY OTHER GIRL" i kinda of proud myself of not going higher than 50.00 with any girl from the b.m. or key largo and on my last trip i never did ....i just keep finding better girls for alot less...so when i am in the b.m. i stick to my guns , well as i was saying twice i had girls make me promise not to tell...and this was no joke !! even after the deed they made sure it was clear to me not to tell...as there was some code for them not to go under 70..00 then it happen again and i said , they are trying to join forces to keep the price up, the way i roll now in san jose ...b.m. it a nice place to start the night off , a few drinks , meet up with your wing men, look at a few girls and then get the hell out of there....and as for me , i would hit it again about 3 to 4 in the a.m. ..as many have said before me ...the guys who stay that first nite in san jose then off to their fishing trip....are the ones that are giving in to the 100.00 if they were staying the rest of the week in san jose i think things would be much different...i would like to see them wear a hat "saying " in town for one nite only.........[/QUOTE]
I also did not pay more than $50; okay, one girl I paid $60, but the other 4 I only paid $50, at the BM/Key Largo. I agree that it is just a matter of sticking to your guns, and if a girl knows that is all you are going to pay she can decide if she'd rather waste her time, and/or go with some old fat guy...
I have had very good success with this method and will continue with it. That said, I know my wing man likes to go for the ones that everyone is drooling over, and he doesn't mind paying $100 for them. I think if they are the cream of the crop - in the top 5%, say - then I can see a guy like my buddy paying that price, especially if he negotiates what he wants them to do and gets some time and enthusiasm for his money.
But personally I like the ones with the good attitude more than the ones with the six-pack ribs and gorgeous face and body. Especially since I have always found - with about 18 years of experience with this - that the hottest chicks are also usually the ones with the worst attitudes. Not always but usually.
I figure that if I can get a full hour at Zona Blue or Idem or New Fantasy, for $40-50, why should I pay some chick at the BM $80-100? The one time I paid $100 was when I spent 2 hours with the chick at KL, dancing and drinking, and then she went back and stayed the night with me. All I had was a $100 bill due to poor planning, so I just gave it to her and we both had a great time. But that is the exception to the rule. 95% of the time I spend under $50.
It helps if you speak Spanish and know how to sweet talk them and show them a good time.
[QUOTE=Lorenzo]This will be a summary of my recent month long mongering trip through all 7 Central American countries. I plan to post this report on the forums of all of these countries: Belize, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, and Panama.
.... etc...
COSTA RICA: Costa Rica, especially San Jose, is one of the best documented forums on this website, so I don't need to say a lot. Pussy is readily available, all over the place actually. The girls are uniformly good in bed, DFK/BBBJ/DATY/CFS the norm. Prices are reasonable; I never paid more than US$60 for an hour. Quality of girls overall is so so. There are some very attractive ones available, but a large number of skanks as well. Your best bet for finding quality chicas is the Sportsmens Lodge. What keeps me from giving CR a 10 is the fact that San Jose just isn't a very interesting city, so there's not much to do but monger. The tourist attractions lie elsewhere in the country. OVERALL RATING: 9
PANAMA: I didn't give Panama the attention it deserves, largely because I was doing tourist things like a canal boat ride, and I was recovering from being sick. I only mongered at one place, River Club, where I got a beautiful chica who was lousy in bed. Cost $US80 cash, $85 credit card. But pussy seems readily available, and I assume that what I paid was representative. But my rating will have to be tentative because of my limited mongering there, so I am basing it largely on other mongers reports as well as my own experience. OVERALL RATING: 7
So there it is. I hope some mongers will find this helpful. If you have experiences to add, please share them. Let's help maintain what should be the fraternal nature of this forum.
Lorenzo[/QUOTE]
Hi Lorenzo, thanks for the posts. This one is informative and will come in handy some day I'm sure. I've only been to CR and Panama, and in Panama not to Panama City...
My only criticism is that you spent so little time in each country, so one has to take this into consideration. I have heard that Guatemala for example, has a lot of very cheap pussy and young and sexy too, but your post says it is expensive there. Well, sure at an expensive club, it is expensive; but I bet there are other places you can get 8's and 9's for $30-40. But then I haven't been there. But as I say, I have to take your report with a grain of salt since I've heard Guatemala has plenty of cheap good pussy. Maybe I heard wrong, too, so I'll have to wait and go there and see for myself some day...
Glad CR fared well in your report, it's good to know I'm not missing too much by not going to those other countries.
It's like my quick trip to David, Panama and inland: I cannot say my experience is representative of the scene there, but all I know is, my buddy and I saw very few hot girls in Panama (again, we did not go to Panama City), and we found almost NOTHING to do in David. In the Panama forum there is a guy there who claims you can meet up with a pimp who will call girls for you and they'll come into town from little pueblos outside of town and you'll have more hot sexy pussy then you know what to do with. So maybe that's true. But we were only there a few nights and I did not find any such scene. Sounds good in theory because he said he only had to use the pimp once, and after that the girls just give you their numbers and share you with their friends...
I have a feeling that ANY country where a monger resides, he will no doubt find some hot sexy chicks to have sex with, if he is at all resourceful, and thus will be offended at bad reports of his country. There probably are hot chicks available in ALL the above countries, or any country in the world for that matter. But you are right in discussing the ease of which it is available and the quality of those easily available girls. In this aspect, for me, I can't imagine a better country in Central America than Costa Rica.
I would like to go to Thailand and Brazil some day, but I hear so much about street crime and danger in Brazil and so much about AIDS in Thailand, for now, I am a happy to be able to easily go to Costa Rica.
This was last night (Tuesday, April 18).
Marriott hotel was DEAD and very quiet/serious (as you'd probably expect). In the bar, only about 12-14 expats or old business guys, sitting around talking to the bored bartenders. Not exactly what I was hoping for.
A hotel taxi driver took me to Elite (eh-leet-ay), which I had read some mixed reviews about, so I thought, what the heck. But it was no good - just like a strip bar in the States! high cost ($20 USD for one small glass of champagne for the girl who sits down uninvited and starts talking to you ... I declined on the basis of price - I'm sure they thought I was Mr. Cheap, but so what? they'll never see me again) The place was too loud and too dark - couldn't even really tell what the girl sitting next to me looked like unless I studied very hard. $45 USD for 3 dances in a "private room" ?! No thanks.
Driver next took me to Blue Marlin, although he said it's too dangerous there. But I've been in so much worse settings! Blue Marlin was awesome. Plus, the driver (from the hotel) took me through to another building and I think the bar was called ... uh, hmmmm, dang, I forgot. "El something-or-other" (I think) Anyway, the girls there weren't as plentiful nor as astounding as the Blue Marlin, but upon entering that bar area, one girl sitting on a stool caught my eye, and she was smiling with a devilish smile at me, locked eyes on me and almost didn't look away once. From what I could tell, she had a nice body, but certainly had nice eyes & face & hair & smile. Her expression just felt like she was saying, "YES! I've been WAITING for someone like you to walk in here!" That goes a long way in my book ... better than the transactional business-curious eye contact you get from most of the girls.
The driver and I got a beverage, sat down, looked around, then finally he said he'd go ask the girl to come over to our table. That was it. I was done. No need to sit around the bar a moment longer! It was 1 AM local time then. She initially said $300 USD for the night, but she said for me she'd make it $200. I gracefully and politely countered with $100, explaining to her what a wonderful experience she would have with me compared to most guys, PLUS it was already late and I had to get up and work the next morning! We agreed on $150 because she kept insinuating how good that price is, considering "toda la noche" AND considering how worth it she would make it for me.
Back to the hotel. Can't go into all the details just now, but suffice to say, she was mostly awesome in many of the most important (to me) respects. She stayed until Noon. Very, very nice girl to be with. We got along very well. She's 31 and has one kid - she's from Dominican Republic. Body was pretty much killer, and her face would make you think "Roslyn Sanchez" (not THAT good, but you get the idea). She was surprisingly tight with a smooth, flat tummy (for a mom).
Called her tonight because I decided to just not venture out tonight, and she happily agreed to come over around 10 and stay as long as I want her to.
I agree with the vast majority of you guys out there, that the 9s and 10s typically have attitude/service issues. My date is a solid 8+ with a 9+ personality - maybe it's just because our chemistry seems so natural and strong.
Mr. Vee . Sorry you got hosed. $150.00 is hugh price to pay.
I have had Toda la noche for $30.00 more often then not $50.00 was the most I'v ever spent.
The girls love to say $100.00. But now I see that they are starting at $300.00 and working down. I have never seen anyone post that these woman were stupied. It's only the gringos who go in thinking with there one eyed head.
There is a learning curve and most taxi drivers will make sure you dont see that curve. They will work a kick back from the Chica for the "introduction" or try to get a piece of the action from the club.
I have not seen this work at the DR, BM or KL.
The most important thing to remember is have fun. Shop around. And try other clubs.
Lot of good info on the site. Ck it out before your next trip.
You are right on about Elite. My buddy and I tried the place out in 03 and it was costly and very HUSTLED then to. I managed to get a girls tel # and we hooked up the next day. She is still in the top 3 for worst sex chica in San Jose.
[QUOTE=Member #2964]Mr. Vee . Sorry you got hosed. $150.00 is hugh price to pay.
I have had Toda la noche for $30.00 more often then not $50.00 was the most I'v ever spent.
The girls love to say $100.00. But now I see that they are starting at $300.00 and working down. I have never seen anyone post that these woman were stupied. It's only the gringos who go in thinking with there one eyed head.
There is a learning curve and most taxi drivers will make sure you dont see that curve. They will work a kick back from the Chica for the "introduction" or try to get a piece of the action from the club.
I have not seen this work at the DR, BM or KL.
The most important thing to remember is have fun. Shop around. And try other clubs.
Lot of good info on the site. Ck it out before your next trip.
You are right on about Elite. My buddy and I tried the place out in 03 and it was costly and very HUSTLED then to. I managed to get a girls tel # and we hooked up the next day. She is still in the top 3 for worst sex chica in San Jose.[/QUOTE]Of course the "chicas" are not stupid. They know what we pay here in the states. There are a few of them who have been coming to Vegas to work the casinos, and they're making a lot of money, and I don't mean gambling!
First order of business is to thank all of those who came before me and took the time to share their experiences. If you have read my TJ MAXimizer posts then you know I like to do my homework to MAXimize my fun. This was my first trip to CR so I thought it would be a good chance to share the experience of a newbie to CR.
One caveat to my experience is the fact that my trip took place at the end of their holiday week so as always YMMVAL (Your Mileage May Vary A LOT)!
Strip Joints:
You guys called it, except for the mythical unicorn (the GFE 10) you are going to spend a lot time and money for an experience you could get in any big city in the states. Low bang for the buck best describes these places. Not to mention an overall poor attitude by management and the girls. Yes you will occasionally see or get to talk to a unicorn but probably only after you are drunk enough to hallucinate. I managed to walk into all the majors on at least two occasions and it was always about the same.
Massage:
While I was in San Jose only NF New Fantasy was fully operational. As mentioned in MANY posts early afternoon is the time to shop and the 15th was no exception. I was there about 1pm and the girls looked fresh and relaxed, if not a little hungry.
CR MAXimizer #1 go to the MP’s early!
TJ MAXIMIZER TIP #3 (Make friends with the manager)
I proceeded to talk to the hostess in charge and described what I was looking for. And as is often the case she told me to wait about 10 min for a girl that was on her way in for the day but had not yet arrived. Now, this is Hispania so that 10min can be anything from 30 sec to 2 hours so I told her I would wait for 15 min and then if she was not here yet, I might come back later that evening if I was not too tired. As usual, she disappeared for about 5 min and re appeared to tell me she had spoken to the girl on her cell phone and that she was only a few min away. She asked if I would like to use the sauna while I waited but I declined until I met the girl and decided if I was going to stay. Quite frankly the rest of the girls were in the 6 to 7 range and I was looking for a 7+ with a great attitude. She again assured me I would not be disappointed.
Well 10 min later I was anything but disappointed when in comes walking a thin very well endowed young woman with a great big smile on her face.
TJ MAXimizer TIP #2 chemistry is everything when it comes to performance.
Today would be no exception to that golden rule. So for the outrageous price of $40/hr I spent two hours in a very clean spa with a wonderful young woman who gave me complete GFE. Well it should probably be more accurately described as GFE+ since she seemed inclined to perform in ways most girlfriends need to be prodded into performing.
NF has a great layout, clean, secure, with a wonderful HOT sauna and in my own experience, management well above that I experienced in most of the other establishments.
Oh, and while I paid for the first hour up front, which is common in MP, I held out the opportunity for the second hour and a tip based on performance. When she smiled at this offer I knew I had a keeper.
CR MAXimizer TIP #2, If they frown or try to pressure you to buy both hours up front then don’t bother with the first hour! They are already a <1 for attitude!
One caveat for this section is that I did not make it out to OASIS since everyone kept telling me it was closed.
Bars, Clubs, Disco’s:
DEL RAY:
Ok so this place is a mainstay of CR but this week it was POOR at best and once the talent started showing up again the overall atmosphere (Vibe) from the girls and the patrons was all business. Nothing wrong with that, just not my style! So my overall rating for the DEL RAY is probably lower than most. If looks are what you came for, there is a good selection, but an 8+ with a good attitude was very hard to come by.
Key Largo:
This place was closed most of the time I was in San Jose so I only made it there after 2am the first night it was open. I was out at El Pueblo having a great time in a disco with a few girls I met there. On my last night I decided to head to Key Largo after doing the big taxi tour of the other bars and finding absolutely nothing worth writing about.
The exception to this was IDEM where my wingman grabbed a girl that he had some experience with for another session he could only describe using the smile on his face. I stuck around IDEM for about 45min looking to see if any of the other talent could hold a candle to my wingman’s selection but alas there was nothing of that caliber left so it was off to tour the rest of the clubs and bars before finally heading off to KL for a relaxing drink in a low pressure atmosphere.
Besides, my bartender at KL from the night before, a tall thin smiler from LIMON, was good company in the absence of my wingman who had now gone missing. That of course only meant that he Chose Well!
So I arrived at Key Largo early, which actually worked out well. It gave me a chance to look the place over and give a big hug to my bartender from the night before. The place was empty except for the bartenders and a few girls and patrons seated at the center bar. Nothing special so of course I went to the other less crowded bar figuring that eventually the new talent would start funneling in looking for a place to sit where the existing girls had not already monopolized the patrons they were sitting next too.
TJ MAXimizer Tip #7, keep a smile on your face and your options open!
True to form, no more than 15min after I had sat down, three girls came in and sat down on one side of me. A Tall Thin cute Dominican, A short petite, stunning little blond and their friend, a nice looking and happy blond, just not my type. That worked out nicely, since shortly after that another young tall thin Columbian looker came in and sat down beside them. It always works that way. It was obvious over the next hour that one of them was going to “take me home” but which one. That was all the fun, and the reason for choosing a bar like KL instead of DR. I was buying a few drinks and the girls were having a great time flirting. Since it was early they could take their time knowing that the ones not chosen would have plenty of time to find someone before they went home.
CR Maximizer #3, everything else being equal, choose attitude every time!
So over the next two hours I was surrounded by four beautiful women who’s primary objective was to see which one was going to leave with me that night. Well as the night wore on it became obvious that the little blond was just glowing from the attention and that she would translate that into one of the best experiences of my life. After all she was competing hard against the Columbian stunner who was 5 years younger, who was also smiling and laughing and giggling her heart out. At this point it was obvious that either one of these girls were going to make it an evening I would never forget. Oh dear what to do. Well that was obvious; we played a little drinking game. The idea was to see which girl blushed first. Well the blond friend took up the lead by asking the questions. She knew she was not in the running but I had treated her very nicely along with her friends so she was just having fun.
I guess if I had ever wanted a multiple girl session I could have had both the Petite blond and the Colombian but that’s just not my style. I like the one on one experience.
So the blond friend starts asking the questions. Like "What is the most sensitive part of a man’s penise?" Well she started to make me blush, so I was out of the game immediately as the other girls whispered their answers into my ear for me to decide who was right. Of course the petite blond was blushing bright red as she whispered her answers into my ear and her coy little smile showed she was either the worlds best actress or she really did not come here with her friends very often. The others all answered like pro’s, but the little blonds last answer tipped the scales. After her answer, she added that she wanted to try some of the things the others girls had said. And she said it while looking at me with the most lustful, blushing set of eyes I have ever seen in a bar! Ok so we finished the game during which the loosing girls consumed a few more drinks. Check!
Everyone was laughing and having a great time when the check came and I closed out my tab. They all knew from the look in her eyes that the petit blond and I would be spending the evening with each other. Everyone except the Columbian were still there 3 hours later when I walked her back into the bar. The two of us both looking like we had just eaten a Cheshire cat for desert.
She never asked me for a dime! If this had not been my last day in CR I would have had a girlfriend for the rest of my trip. I am sure she found the card and envelope I slipped into her purse while she showered. But she had not found it when I left her in the KL Bar with her friends.
El Pueblo:
This is a great complex if your looking for non & semi pro. One word of warning. I set up a date with a girl I met there and she turned out to be there in one of the 21 and older clubs on a fake ID. Her real ID made her off limits! Luckily, I checked the next day before taking her out on a date! She had her real ID with her that day and she was only 17 ½. Her other ID said she was 21! No wonder her friend was freaking out while we danced all night at the 21 and older club!
So be careful guys. There is just no need to take such chances! I think in the future I am going to start photographing their ID just in case I need it. Better safe than sorry.
Summary:
Don’t go to San Jose CR during the religious holiday unless the only thing you are coming for are the Volcano’s and Waterfalls. According to my wingman, who had been there a week before me, the beach bars are still well stocked even during the holiday.
The people, the women and the country of CR are magnificent!
MAX
Hi,
I will be in San Jose this coming Sunday night. Unfortunately, it will be my only night in SJ. And, I have an early flight on Monday morning. So, I know I will have very limited opportunities to find some "fun". But, nonetheless, I want to give it my best shot. So, knowing this, where is the best place to find the best looking P4P women in San Jose on a Sunday night?
Thanks
[QUOTE=Billm]where is the best place to find the best looking P4P women in San Jose on a Sunday night?[/QUOTE]
Based on my experience, and given the limited amount of time you have, I suggest that you book a room at the Sportsmen's Lodge. Go directly there from the airport and don't set foot outside the place until you leave for the airport, and eat all your meals there. The chicas will come to you.
Lorenzo
[QUOTE=Billm]Hi,
I will be in San Jose this coming Sunday night. Unfortunately, it will be my only night in SJ. And, I have an early flight on Monday morning. So, I know I will have very limited opportunities to find some "fun". But, nonetheless, I want to give it my best shot. So, knowing this, where is the best place to find the best looking P4P women in San Jose on a Sunday night?
Thanks[/QUOTE]
I have not been to the Sportsman's Lodge yet but from what I've read, it sounds like it might indeed be your best bet.
However, if that is not satisfactory to you, you can do one of the following:
go to the Del Rey and Key Largo (across the street from each other) in Gringo Gulch, there are always girls there.
Or if you want more of a "get down to business" "wh---house" type of place, you can go to Idem, a half mile or so from the Del Rey - ask any taxi driver to take you there.
If you were going to be in San Jose' before 6pm and wanted a nice massage type place with showers and sauna and such, I'd recommend checking out New Fantasy or Zona Blue, especially in the day time.
Good luck, and please report back, good and bad experiences!
Places are to be slow on Sunday night but the best bet would be the Del Rey and Key Largo. I would fear Sportsmans might be slow on Sundays but may be wrong. Idem is closed on Sundays so no need to go there. If you arrive before 5 0r 6 New Fantasy or Zona Blue are open.
For really local options on Sunday VIP's 1 and Molino Rojo are open and a few MP's in afternoon including Europa 2000 and Centro as well as Calle 6 brothel's for truly adventurous.rbc100
You can't miss at D'palufos in San Pedro (a three minute taxi ride). (get there around 9:30)
After you get jacked up there you can go back to the gultch and follow RBC advice
can someone talk to the current streetwalker scene in san jose. where is the best location (for the best looking girls)? can you find a better deal (money-wise) on the street vs. a place like bm? are the girls hotter/less hot than what you find in bm? are the girls more likely to be on drugs, be ****, be dirty, or she-males on the street vs. in the clubs? just curious what the forum thinks.
thanks
billm,
yes.
the girls are likely to be on drugs, be ****, be dirty, or she-males on the street vs. in the clubs.
avoid them like the plague.
unless you are into being mugged by trannies, then go to the morazon park at night. : )
if you want the best bang for the buck read what r brandon has posted. he is the king of value phucks. sort of a consumer advisor without a regular column.
could publish monger consumer reports if he wished.
and listen to chase star. he knows the scene.
[quote=billm]can someone talk to the current streetwalker scene in san jose. where is the best location (for the best looking girls)? can you find a better deal (money-wise) on the street vs. a place like bm? are the girls hotter/less hot than what you find in bm? are the girls more likely to be on drugs, be ****, be dirty, or she-males on the street vs. in the clubs? just curious what the forum thinks.
thanks[/quote]
there is no reason to do streetwalkers in costa rica. they are likely to be dirty, crack*****, disease-infested, dangerous, etc...
you want cheap: go to some of the smaller out of the way bars and wh---houses around san jose. you can get sex there for under $15 if you want, and do so in a safer environment than on the street. the area around morazan park and south of del rey about 4 blocks (going toward idem) is definitely shemale territory, by the way.
how cheap do you want? you can get a full hour at new fantasy or zona blue in a super clean nice environment for $45 or so, also idem.
i have been to some of those bars in the red light district - can't think of the names - where i was offered sex for $10 and the girls weren't that bad.
read the forum here, find the reviews of some of those cheap bars, that is the best bet for cheap and safer sex. do wear a condom in those places, though!
billm, street walkers a simply not owrth the risk with so many inexpensive venues avilable. if someone wants a really cheap lay there are the brothels on calle 6 between ave 3 and 5 ,about half dozen in the $7 dollar range and a step up there is 747 and the dungeon both less than $10 as well as numerous outher palces in the $10 to $20 range. the street walkers likely have diseases, **** or you amy get more equipment in the package than you bargain for so just check out some low end places,rbc100
billm,
the last three posters are correct. there is no reason whatseover. as r brandon noted, great cheap options. i especially like the dungeon; great deals can be had for 10 bucks, three somes for twenty.
if a girl is on the street in san jose, and not at a mp, bar, or club, she is most likely ****d, a criminal, a tranny, or an addict.
I am planning my first trip to San Jose but I have a couple of questions.
I do not speak Spanish, is there bars that you can go to that have some ladies that speak English?
Where would you recommend I stay? I have been to Rio a couple of times but I would like to try some place new.
Long John 200: RTFF!
Long John 200:
The best place for you to go is the Hotel Del Rey. Most of the girls speak some English, as well as the bartenders. Unfortunately, because of their language skills, they are some of the more expensive ones in the country.
I have met a number of gringos who have gone there not being able to speak a word of Spanish and were still able to partake in the hobby and acquire a good time. It is a great place for conversing with fellow Americans, especially when they share their experiences of other P4P destinations: Thailand, Rio, Angeles, etc.
This is the sort of give and take that I enjoy whenever I go to the Del Rey. I might know a little bit more of San Jose and its venues than some of these guys, but they have taught me about other places to the point that I am planning a possible trip to Thailand, and a definite one to the PI.
Here are some really friendly, bilingual bartenders.
While wandering around calle (maybe 6) and aveneda (6 or 8) I went into an upstairs bar around 4 o'clock, big dance floor, porno movies and girls arriving around 5.
Unfortunately, I couldn't hang around.
I think the name is Josylyns
Anyone know anything about it first hand?
The neighborhood is a liitle rough but hey!!!!
I got back about a week ago, and was missing the place even before I got home. I spent the week on familiar territory and enjoyed myself as usual. For example, stayed at the Hotel Morazan, with entertainment primarily at BM and New Fantasy. I had read so much about Oasis and had that on my list, but just didn't make it. Also, didn't get to Bar Monaco, so I don't have an update on that. Haven't read a whole lot about it lately, either.
Hung out at BM on Monday afternoon, made a new Tica friend, and had a relaxed time. The routine is still the same, they ask for $ (USD) and you negotiate down to .5 or .6, unless they like being alone, or want to hold out for someone who doesn't know any better. Funny thing happened this time, by Tuesday evening, a couple of my former friends told some others I would not pay $. I don't know if they were trying to increase their odds or lower my choices, but it helped me to shorten the negotiation. The new ones would start by saying I know you want pay the $, so let's talk what you pay. I'd say New Fantasy takes .4. They'd act insulted, then accept .5 or .6.
I usually have the better GFE with Ticas, DR, Nicas, so I'd start with that until I found something I liked. There were some decent Tica and Nica selections at both BM and New Fantasy. Interesting thing about New Fantasy. I saw a Tica there on Wednesday mid-afternoon and she was fresh energetic and we had a great time. I was told that she'd start at 9 a.m., so I went back on Saturday mid-morning, before leaving. She seemed half asleep, with no energy at all. Like the other posters have said, looks like mid-afternoon is a good time for that place.
Talent seemed kind of limited this week following Easter, but most were hungry because of the Holy Week holidays and family stuff.
I couldn't get into the food thing this time. Even my old staple, whole sea bass at La Princesa Marina didn't taste very well. Who knows. Maybe that time of the month.
I expect to return sometime in August or September, depending on busy this hurricane season becomes.
By the airline tickets were a bit of a shock this time and a number of the AA flights didn't leave Miami until the next morning. I flew US Air through Charlotte, the ticket still $650.
There was a Joselyn's in that area about three years ago, in a downstairs hotel/bar type setting. They closed and I never heard anymore about them. I don't know if this the same, but the girls were not aggressive and, for the most part, just sat around talking among themselves.
Would love to know a little more.
The Old Jocelyns is now Muses MP. It is a local place but at times has some decent talent and rooms are nice. I believe current prices are 7000 col half hour and 11000 col per hour.rbc100
That is all true, RBC, but aside from the name this place doesn't sound anything like the old Joselyns. Calle 6 and Avenida 6/8 is in the SW section of town near the Le Grillon nightclub and not up in the NW section where most of those MP's are located. Muses is on Avenida 7 near Calle 3. Also, while its been a long time since the old Joselyn's was around, as a I recall it was only 1 floor. You walked down a narrow hall on the left and entered the bar from the back and the rooms were in the back end of the building. I've attached a pic if that jogs anybody's memories. Could it be that the old Joselyn's has reopened in a new location?
Chase the picture you posted of old Jocelyns is now Muses MP and it is on Ave 7 near Calle 3.I think the loction may have been misstated in the earlier post asking about the place.rbc100
RCB the address is correct within a block or two , around calle (maybe 6) and aveneda (6 or 8) also, it's not the old Josephines near Bella Mansion.
The bartender was very friendly and the place looked like it had a lot of potential (for some)
Note: This place probably not meant for DR, KL, ZB, SL, NF types
2666, I have passed by Josephines and you are right it is over close to Bella Mansion. Looks like on Ave 9 near Calle 4. The photo of the place Chase posted is now Muses and was Jocylyns before I ever arrived for my first visit to San Jose.Jocyln, the old proprietor now works at Molino Rojo sometimes.rbc100
2666, The location of the place you posted about fits the location of a place a good freind of mine who lives in San Jose found recently. He posted it was called Bar SanCar or something similar on the CRT site.It is an afternoon and evening place he said.rbc100
i'm wondering whether 2666 has the address right too. i'm not sure what josephines or la bella mansion have to do with this but they're even further north than muses. josephines is on avenida 9 between calle 2 y 4 and the old bella mansion was next door on the sw corner with calle 2. the area that 2666 described is way south of all of these other places way over on the other side of avenida 2. that area is best known for nighttime spots like le grillon, flamingo, arcadas, molino rojo etc. it is not normally associated with daytime mp's or where most mongers normally wonder around during the day (actually, i wouldn't exactly wonder around there at night either) except for maybe centro masajes and siboney mp and they are a full 5-6 blocks apart (not exactly a concentration), however i'm sure there may be a few others rep001tered around there. this matter might be cleared up a little by determining exactly which side of avenida 2 2666 was on, the far (southern) side or the gulch (northern) side. if 2666's info is correct, this could be the opening up of a whole new stomping grounds for daytime mp's the same way the that oasis off of paseo colon led to the discovery of a whole host of mp's in that area.
Chase, Check my post below. There is a recently discovered place by my freind Bilko on CRT in about the location reported which would be near Le Grellion. Place he found is named Bar SanCar or something like that. He reported about a couple of blocks North and West of Molino Rojo. It opens like 3 PM to midnight and is a good size place but very local with about 7000col. sessions.rbc100
Got it. I was composing my post while you were posting that.
I will be checking out this area and the place mentioned when in town Memorial Day weekend and report back.rbc100
Chase:
"within a block or two , around calle (maybe 6) and aveneda (6 or 8) "
In Janurary, I spent a bit of time walking around the Molino Rojo area (dusk, with three other guys, and even that is not the smartest idea), and there are several local places that look interesting. It is an area that is ripe for expoloration. I will be there on just after the Memorial day weekend, and plan on some recon.
I'm almost positive that this place is between Ave 6 and 8 and off Calle 4
If you are walking past central massage (on your right) the next intersection is 4th avenue , the old park hotel is toward the left halfway up the block,
cross calle 4 and head down the hill past 6h ave and halfway down the block on your left is Sanacar.
If its not Sanacar, it's another Tico strip bar with girls, a stage and a pole.
Also, going back up the hill on calle 4 make a right on 6th ave and a few doors up on your right is a stairway with a plastic curtain leading up to a smallish bar.
behind the bar there are rooms and a back stairway leading down to Sanacar, where you take the girls from either Sanacar or the bar.
crazy configuration but true!
My apologies in advance for not putthing this in a new thread, but for some reason the system would not let me.
I will be visiting Costa Rica in June, and would like to know at which MP's, escort services, etc. do users know where greek and/or BBBJCIM are available?
Also, what are the prices for these additional services?
Thanks in advance.
Karl
Guys,
what was the name of that expensive club that had the plane inside?? Anyone been there? What is it like?
Bug
It's called Tango India.
That place is called Tango India.
i went once to it...and felt bad vibes .....cover was like 15.00 i think but they gave you like 3 drink coupons ...the girls were 6"s to 7"s and all wanted prices of 200.00 and up ....granted it was my first trip to san jose when i went and i am sure i had "rich gringo" written on my back ....so i not really sure of the "real price " or if you could even do them inside the club..? but would i tell someone to go there .....NO....so many better value places to hit with hotter girls ....i felt like i was in a us titty bar while i was there ...only thing i did see that they had to offer that was different...was there were some girls from russia, rommaina ,and other places. And the plane was pretty cool.....Hey sun devil ......i am looking and waiting on your latest trip report ...please give all details and hope things go well in asia .....chilimike
i am to a lover of greek....and trust me ....one out of every 20 "might" do it..and they may just tell you they will before you hit the room and then either change their mind or jack the price up either futher.....out of my 5 trips to san jose ...i think maybe about 3 of the many girls i have been with have accepted ...most think you are crazy....or its something that is bad...but i never stop trying...worst place to try ...is the bm ,they get mad even when you ask...but it works both ways...when i am trying to ditch a girl ...and they keep asking "lets go to the room" all you need to do is ask...you take it in the "butt" there eyes get big and say..."no pappy no" and then you say...no butt, no room...and they leave you alone...i found a place that i feel you will have a little luck in and the price is right ...pm me and i will give it to you....chilimike
Thanks guys. Is it really worth the extra bucks?
[QUOTE=Sun Devil]That place is called Tango India.[/QUOTE]
I've been there before with some Costa Rican buddies. I think the night I went you got two drinks for about $8. This was 2 years ago, I think.
It was interesting, but I had no desire to pull any ladies out. The prices they quoted were ridiculous. The show in the plane wasn't bad, about $4-$5, and they give you a shot at the end, and you get to feel up the chicas, and get a psuedo private dance.
I don't know why anyone would consider paying 200-300 for a lady in CR. Go to Idem, BM, ZB, NF, Kamur or such, and get it done for $50. If you pay $100 or more, you're just pissing it away.
Visit El Salvador instead. Many girls in San Salvador will give you BBBJCIM and some will go Greek for free or maybe $10 more. I know a few at Kiss Fresh who will personally. Adamaris for one and Elizabeth would, but she's not there anymore. I don't know any girl at KF who won't do BBBJCIM.
It's also cheaper than CR ($30-35/45 minutes on site) and the girls are just as good looking, on average, with much better attitudes than the Ticas (that will will probably get me flamed by the RC mafia). ES does not have the ocassional super model that CR has, but I'm not particularly interested in that altho I don't want to put a sack over her head or body either.
Cpteasy is right on in everything he says. El Salvador is the hidden gem of Central America, and the best pussy bargain I have come across in years. Everything else is cheap, too. You can stay at a luxury hotel like the Intercontinental, for <$100 a night, and you can get a full meal at a pupuseria for $3. Not much else to do there but monger, though.
Lorenzo
As long as we are talking about other countries for greek besides CR, I think nowhere else can beat Rio in that department (except maybe Greece itself, I never did any mongering there). Not only are most of the garotas willing to do greek for no extra charge, many of them will actually ask YOU to do it first since they are REALLY into it.
Don't wright off Tango India. If you take your time it's a good deal for such a place.
Where else are you going to see a 2 story pole show / slide. And then get a 2 song lap dance for 6 bucks USD.
The girls will give you there telephone numbers and meet you at the Hotel. Each girl has her own price.
It's all in how you present yourself.
It's not a place where for the price of a drink you can have two girls tag sucking your dick while sitting at the bar; that is a given.
It caters to americans, visiters and Tico's both male and female.
It is not as pushy as Elite. It is not as expencive as Lipstick. And its cleaner, cheaper and less pushy then La Grillion.
I don't know if the free van ride is still avalable but when they pick you up and drop you back at say the DR for ZIP or a 1 mill propina for the driver that in and of itself is a app. $16.00 RT taxi fare.
For my money it's about a 2 drink pit-stop in the night tour. get there about 10:30 - 11:00.
When we went we had front row seats for the stage to the left of the entrance and then latter moved to the back bar area. more gilrs were working the bar.
Don't get me wrong the girls came up and asked if we wanted company but when told no went away without hanging on.
I say its worth the trip every 2 or 3 trips.
Thanks for the info guys
[QUOTE=Member #2964]Don't wright off Tango India. If you take your time it's a good deal for such a place.
Where else are you going to see a 2 story pole show / slide. And then get a 2 song lap dance for 6 bucks USD.
The girls will give you there telephone numbers and meet you at the Hotel. Each girl has her own price.
It's all in how you present yourself.
It's not a place where for the price of a drink you can have two girls tag sucking your dick while sitting at the bar; that is a given.
It caters to americans, visiters and Tico's both male and female.
It is not as pushy as Elite. It is not as expencive as Lipstick. And its cleaner, cheaper and less pushy then La Grillion.
I don't know if the free van ride is still avalable but when they pick you up and drop you back at say the DR for ZIP or a 1 mill propina for the driver that in and of itself is a app. $16.00 RT taxi fare.
For my money it's about a 2 drink pit-stop in the night tour. get there about 10:30 - 11:00.
When we went we had front row seats for the stage to the left of the entrance and then latter moved to the back bar area. more gilrs were working the bar.
Don't get me wrong the girls came up and asked if we wanted company but when told no went away without hanging on.
I say its worth the trip every 2 or 3 trips.[/QUOTE]
Just returned from SJ. I'm not going to give a detailed report but some impressions that may be useful to others.
First, I want to thank members of this board who:
1. Recommended Oasis. This place had some cuties who gave great service and the price was very reasonable (12,000 colones=$24 for an hour). This place was the source of my best experiences in CR. Wish I'd gone there more - went three times - BBBJ X 2, DATY X 1, DFK X 1, great time X 3
I did not go to other MPs because of mixed reviews, though someone living in CR told me Eros is good.
2. Chase who suggested Morazon rather than Holiday Inn. On his suggestion I moved early in the trip and saved $$$ on room and chica fees. Also less anxiety with shorter walk back to hotel from DR. I owe you a beer, tequila (or maybe a truckload). Keep me posted on when you're going back to CR - if I'm there at the same time, I'll repay you (or if you're in LA)
I've read some posts on this board suggesting girls at DR are not hot - could not disagree more. Saw some real hotties in SJ and I am picky, live in Los Angeles where I see gorgous girls all the time. Unfortunately many of the gorgeous girls seemed full of themselves, distant and were very business-like - a turn-off for me and something that I have not experienced nearly as much in Rio or Thailand.
In most cases, DR girls insisted on CBJ, refusing BBBJ. One girl who had been trying to talk me into smoking marijuana and cocaine with her, refused BBBJ, saying it was dangerous. (I ended up not taking her to the room). GFE was rare from DR girls, especially the hottest ones, in my experience and that of other guys I met there.
One of the best parts of the trip was the other guys mongering there. I made several friends. American tourists were very friendly (as were the local guys: taxi drivers, waiters etc). This impressed me vs other vacation locations
Bottom line IMO (from admittedly limited experience): CR has gorgeous girls but getting GFE is more work, less common than in Brazil and Thailand. I will likely return occasionally partly because I don't want to limit myself to just Thailand and Brazil, partly because I met friends who are stuck on CR and I would like to hang with them. Also I enjoyed Oasis and just hanging out at DR even if just to look at the scene.
If there are other MPs with the price point and chica quality of Oasis I'd like to hear about them.
[b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread.[/blue]
Patbutter, Oasis is my favorite place as well and may have the best collection of quality girls at a value price of any MP in San Jose. There are however numerous outher places with some quality talent in the same price range in the same niegborhood. Some include the place around the corner owner by same owners,Veronicas,VIP's massage and a few outhers. There are also some lower end places that can have some nice talent at a real value price like 747,Chachacha,Dungeon, Muses and some outhers.rbc100
TRAVEL FROM SAN JOSE TO CARTAGENA OR ISLA SAN ANDRES CHEAP!
A Tico friend pointed me to
[url]www.destinostv.com[/url]
Super-cheap charter flights and packages to Cartagena & Isla San Andres.
They charter a whole TACA jet a couple of times a week, and sell packages with hotel for much less than the airfare would cost you otherwise. The plane stops each way in Cartagena and Isla San Andres. You do pay airport tax coming and going CR and Colombia about $25 each. They also have some other interesting specials on the website to various destinations. Highly recommended. You have to pay with credit card or bank transfer, and you don't get your ticket til you get to the SJO airport, which made me nervous. But they have a stand right next to the TACA counter on days they do flights and everything went as smooth as butter. They handed me my boarding passes and vouchers. The "all-inclusive" hotel was right on the beach in San Andres, and had once been once, but was really run down (no hot water, phone broken) and the "all-inclusive" meant stale sandwiches and for some reason all you could drink OLD MILWAUKI beer, LOL, but heck it was virtually free. Isla San Andres is a beautiful tropical island which belongs to Colombia, very small, mostly black people who speak some English. No major action there, pretty much BYOG. VERY few gringos, mostly Colombians and Panamanians on vacation. completely safe they search the fuck out of you when you arrive to keep weapons off the island. Check it out.
This time I stayed in Hotel Del Rey. No space in Sportsmen. Both places are fantastic monger hotels. You do not have to get out and you have your own comfort of your room. Internet connection at Sportsmen is much better, I had difficulties to connect wireless in.
DR and they charge extra. Sportsmen does not charge for Internet but has much less girl selection. DR charges also for chicas 5,000 colones(10$) and Sportsmen does not.
Went to the bar, immediately I was catched by Melissa, young student after half hour talk went upstairs. I think she was new in the business so the action was not exciting, she did not know the correct moves, early negotiated bbbj was lousy. Body 8, service 3.
Kind of disappointed I went to the bar this time SIOMARA came to me. A very well built mulatto(mix of black and white) with a fantastic body. We went upstairs. Perfect service just no daty. She came twice, I came twice. Service 9 Body 9.
Netsik is Siomara a Dominican?
Dapanz1
[QUOTE=Dapanz 1]Netsik is Siomara a Dominican?
Dapanz1[/QUOTE]Siomara is a tica from limon.
I think I know her too. Very tall for a tica. Check your pm.
Dapanz1
Nestik is the Melissa your refering to a short blonde with medium lenght hair? If so I brought her back to the Presdidnte a few months back with much better resorts. For me she was a real dynamo in bed and for broken english not a bad personality. I had her email and was going to try to hook up with her in July when I go again.
I guess its true your mileage will vary depending on day and time
share the pic....
[QUOTE=Dapanz 1]I think I know her too. Very tall for a tica. Check your pm.
Dapanz1[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SanJoseFan]Nestik is the Melissa your refering to a short blonde with medium lenght hair?[/QUOTE]No, She has short light braun hair.
We are planning a trip to CR for July and would like to get some suggestions on "friendly" hotels. Here is a list of ones that I have checked on rates so far.
Best Western San Jose Downtown
Hotel Santo Tomas
Best Western Irazu
Balmoral Hotel
Barcelo Rincon Del Valle
Clarion Hotel Amon Downtown
Hotel Parque Del Lago
Gran Hotel Costa Rica
You shoulf check Sportsman Lodge nd Castillo, Best Western Downtown is ok.
Of those you you cheked Best Western Downtown is OK but check Sportsman Lodge.
Try Sportsman and Castillo.
Here is the site for a long slide show. You can pre select your chicha before you go.
Enjoy
[url]http://pantera-rosa.com/SlideShow.html[/url]
I would love to post a pic but I can't figure out how to make the damn thing small enough to upload.
dapanz1
[blue]Hi Dapanz 1,
How to resize photographs http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/faq.php?faq=photo_gallery_questions#faq_photo_gallery_questions_05
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
Ok, Netsik, is this her? The "Tica from Limon."
Dapanz1
She has a few different looks. This is the Siomara that I know.
Dapanz1
I visited Idem toward the end of May and was a little disappointed. The place seemed a little seedier than I remembered it being in 2005. I went with Anna, a lovely dark skinned tica. She remembered me from my earlier visits, and seemed to be jealous or irritated about me liking a particular lady there.
She didn´t shower with me afterwards. I headed out to shower alone and the bathroom was used and some guy was standing in the shower, but the water wasn´t going. He left after a minute, and I realized he must have been pissing in there. Kind of gross. I got the feeling he didn´t work there and was just hanging with a friend.
[QUOTE=Bartchamdo]I visited Idem toward the end of May and was a little disappointed. The place seemed a little seedier than I remembered it being in 2005. I went with Anna, a lovely dark skinned tica. She remembered me from my earlier visits, and seemed to be jealous or irritated about me liking a particular lady there.
She didn´t shower with me afterwards. I headed out to shower alone and the bathroom was used and some guy was standing in the shower, but the water wasn´t going. He left after a minute, and I realized he must have been pissing in there. Kind of gross. I got the feeling he didn´t work there and was just hanging with a friend.[/QUOTE]
I was there last February and I found them to have a very disappointing selection. Of course I was there at night. Maybe in the day it is better. But I'm usually busy during the day and dont' get out to exercise my muscle until later in the evening. I did go with a chick who was pretty hot looking, a blonde Tica or Nica; but her performance was positively uninspired and uninspiring. She didn't offer me a shower, I didn't even know they had one! Went back 2 more times to see if the selection improved, and to take a buddy. It didn't. Few girls worth looking at and the one or two who I might have wanted to go with, were too busy with their girlfriends or cell phones.
I had much better luck at Zona Blue, Key Largo and the Blue Marlin, and I didn't pay much more there than the prices at Idem.
It's recommended on Don Gordo's site but I notice that site has not been updated for quite awhile, he's still talking about stopping by the Hotel Park on there!
Anyway, I wouldn't mind staying at an Aparthotel for a week for $150 rather than spend $50-90/night at a downtown hotel.
Anyone know about this apartnment-hotel?
[url]http://www.sudamer.net/[/url]
Sudamer Apartments are nice and fairly close to the scene. I have freinds who have stayed there but have personally stayed at Vista Linda. I wouldn't hesitate to stay there. Ther area around is not safe at night so just use taxis in evening right to door.rbc100
R Brandon,
I was wondering if you could post a pic of your current fave at Oasis?
TIA
NB
[QUOTE=Dapanz 1]This is the Siomara that I know.[/QUOTE]
I would guess that it's actually Xiomara. I've never run into many women with names beginning with an X, but I've seen plenty here!
I'm in SJO for a few days, and bought a Tico Times yesteday. I noticed a for sale ad for Kamur, just half a million, plus change. Perhaps it's been posted here before. Not that I'd ever invest in such a business, though I would "test" the girls. :)
I just got back from Costa Rica and while there I was in Jaco Beach for 4 days.
Of course I hung out at the Beatle Bar. Where else? And to my surprize I heard (while there) that the famous Beatle Bar was up for sale. Don't know the asking price, but I will bet if it's true, the the price is pretty hefty.
Actually met another Gringo there. He know who he is. Who was negeoating with the owner of the Beatle Bar - Jack - to buy it.
I do not know if any of this true or not. I merely know what I heard. Going around. I did speak with the owner- Jack, and he would not confirm or deny this, but merely said, ..."this place has more than paid for itself many times over". "and ..."I am ready to do some other things".
Beatle Bar - For Sale or Not. Maybe
My opinion:
Why pay six or seven figures in USDollars for an investment that has already 'peaked'. And then some.
My advice: Go down the street buy a nice place for much cheaper, and develope it into something better than the Beatle Bar.
I am planning on moving either to Jaco Beach or Panama in the next few months. I have not yet decided where - yet!
But I will be looking for new opportunities for that can be developed into something better.
And I also will be looking for a nice house or apartment (bungalow type place) to rent.
Steve
I know we have some members in town and there must be some things going on....so please for those of us stuck here at home, can you please posts some reports. I know everyone is busy getting their cocks sucked but a five min. report for us cant get you off schedule ! When the asian reports out number the san jose reports 20 to 1 its time to beg for some reports....Member 2666 and sun devil ...where are you...? on that other site ...many posts about the clubs and the ladies (and the americans being robbed) but this is the site i tell most of my friends to look at before going to a new place (either for the ladies or to learn about the area) i have stopped wishing their will be some new photos ....i just want to read some posts....i cant make my next trip until aug. and i will promise to post every other day...
Did one of you guys post this??
[url]http://costarica.craigslist.org/cas/170703122.html[/url]
I suspect that one of us would have provided more information so that the lady could narrow it down. As it is, there will be 20-40 guys at the Del Rey that fit the description.
Your best bet is to get a hotel ear the plaza central in downtown. waliking distance to the Blue Marlin and a short cab ride to other places. Check out hte Centro Comercial del Pueblo. Lots of clubs in one place. Some of the same girls in the Blue Marlin go to party in those clubs. I've seen it! Good hunting you lucky b*st*rds!!
[QUOTE=Silent Nited]We are planning a trip to CR for July and would like to get some suggestions on "friendly" hotels. Here is a list of ones that I have checked on rates so far.
Best Western San Jose Downtown
Hotel Santo Tomas
Best Western Irazu
Balmoral Hotel
Barcelo Rincon Del Valle
Clarion Hotel Amon Downtown
Hotel Parque Del Lago
Gran Hotel Costa Rica[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=HeadGames]Did one of you guys post this??
[url]http://costarica.craigslist.org/cas/170703122.html[/url][/QUOTE]IMHO, that was posted by either a troll or a feminazi. Any thinking mind would know that most of the girls at the BM do not read English!
[QUOTE=John02]Your best bet is to get a hotel ear the plaza central in downtown. waliking distance to the Blue Marlin and a short cab ride to other places.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure that is so true these days, given the crime in that vicinity. Its getting to the point where there's no such thing as "walking distance to the BM", at least not at night the way that neighborhood is getting. Of course they could stay at the Hotel Del Rey itself and be able to just safely walk down the stairs, but then they'd face the same choice of cab or dangerous walk every single time they went out in the evening. As it is, since cabs are a good idea anywhere at night, and since the BM is not the be all and end all of SJ mongering. Anywhere within a reasonable short cabride of the city center is fine - as long as it is also chica friendly.
I'm also not sure what you mean by the plaza central either. I think you mean the Plaza de la [b]CULTURA[/b] which is 3 blocks SW of the HDR next to the National Theatre. There is also a [b]PARQUE[/b] Central that is 3 blocks even further than that in a perhaps even more dangerous area.
Finally, I'm not sure where Silent Nited came up with his list of options since only about half of them have ever been mentioned on this board as even remotely chica-friendly and only 1 or 2 have ever been mentioned in the "top ranks" of such hotels, but here is my own review:
[b]BW Downtown[/b] - chica friendly, rough neighborhood in the Zona Roja but close to a lot of cheap daytime tico MP's
[b]Santo Tomas[/b] - B&B tourist type place not normally thought of as a monger place, about halfway between the Amon and the plaza.
[b]BW Irazu[/b] - reasonably chica friendly but WAAAYYY outside the Gulch or even downtown meaning a long and few dollar cab ride anytime you go anywhere.
[b]Balmoral[/b] - great location but decidedly NOT chica friendly with a $20 guest fee every time you bring one back.
[b]Barceló Rincón del Valle[/b] - a businessman's type hotel in the PAseo Colon area not far from Sabana Park. Not close to most monger venues but there are several good tico MP's on the back street's in the nearby area if you have a map and know where you're going. Not sure if or what they might charge for a guest fee.
[b]Clarion Amon[/b] - between the Zona Roja and Amon districts about 5-6 blocks north of the Plaza but only 1 block from Zona Blue and 2 from New Fantasy and chica friendly as long as you're discrete. A favorite of many vets if you get the casino discount.
[b]Parque Del Lago[/b] - another Barceló business hotel located next to Sabana Park. Same comments apply.
[b]Gran Hotel[/b] - good location right at the Plaza Cultura (or central :)), but aging rooms and definitely not chica friendly.
Your best bet on this list is the Clarion Amon if you get the casino discount. A few other GUEST FRIENDLY hotels that are popular with most mongers include the Presidente (guys don't get started on that), Morazon, Castillo, Sportsmen's Lodge.
After many reports of the muggings going on next to the bm...i have always stayed at the morzan hotel and always walk back...all hours of the nite....yes many times i have felt eyes on me and the door to the hotel is always in site and as i read many many reports about gringos getting mugged a half block away from the b.m. I will not be staying at the morzan any more !! i will stay at a place will i have no choice but to take a cab home...i feel as the area will right it self either by the bad guys getting caught or the bussiness around that area will make some improvements either way i feel it will stop.They have a great things going and to stop crime in such a little area that has so many gringos who spend money cant be that hard of a task...look at tj mexico they put a police sub station on the street where all the action is , you see and feel the police present as you chase the *****s ...that parking lot next to the horseshoe would work...or just a simple task of putting up cameras in that area would help...yes we live here in the us and after 1 attack we would change the area the next day and make it safer and harder for the bad guys to do their bussiness ....WHERE ARE ALL THE REPORTS ABOUT SAN JOSE...??? COME ON GUYS STOP FUCKING FOR 5 MINS AND WRITE A REPORT....
what the hell is going on. One post in the last week. And it was mine and it sucked. It was a call out to some members to take 2 mins to posts of some going ons in san jose! And nothing, not even 1 post. I enjoy this site but the only info I can get is on thailand and mostly the rest of asia. Hell even mexico gets more info then costa rica and that place sucks. Now that all there is to read is about thailand I am making plans for my next trip to Bangkok (after san jose) in aug. Member 2666 are you still alive. Sun devil where are you? Somebody, anybody write something. On crt there are many many posts. But to read how "GREAT" the sportsmen lodge is on every other posts gets old. The 5 times times I been in that place I seen a total of 4 girls. 5 to 6 at best. And never any of these wild parties I read about. Either my timing is always bad or the girls are hiding when I walk in? Did you know there is some action being taken to make the area aroung the be. M mokey bar safer for us. Any improvements would be better. Heard alot of talk about MUSES that place is a gold mine. But on the other site they were giving bad reports. I kinda of lucked in to that place my last day (last trip) and got some hot girls for a great price. Anyone else have any luck there?
From A.M. Costa Rica on line newspaper today:
Intensive raid being planned at Del Rey and environs
By the A.M. Costa Rica staff
Law enforcement officers are about to clean up the area around the Hotel Del Rey, according to Johnny Araya, mayor of San José.
The mayor is moving against the Del Rey's general geographical area because he thinks it is one of the two spots in the city where the average Costa Rican is at risk.
Araya made his comments during an interview program on Radio Monumental Monday morning. He said a law enforcement task force would have moved already against the persons who frequent the Del Rey area except that Fernando Berrocal, the security minister, was hospitalized briefly.
He said the other danger area for Costa Ricans is on the Paseo de la Vacas in the northwest section of town. That is an area inhabited principally by persons from the Dominican Republic.
Expats and North American tourists have been complaining about the environs along Avenida 1 and Calle 9 for months. The area has been the scene of muggings and holdups, although the bulk of the crimes are not reported.
Sex tourists escort women from the Del Rey to hotels along the Pedestrian Boulevard and are vulnerable to gangs of muggers. Several readers have commented on the situation, and one said that the muggers integrate themselves into the lines of people waiting for buses until a victim comes by.
Araya said that many of those professionals who use the Del Rey as a place to arrange meetings for prostitution have false identity papers. He said they are mainly Colombians, Dominicans and Haitians. He said checking out these individuals and those vendors and others who congregate outside the hotel, nearby casinos and bars is a priority.
He said that he was to have a meeting later Monday with top police officials to plan the operation. He did not say when but sometime over the weekend is a likely time.
He was meeting with officials from the Judicial Investigating Organization, the Fuerza Pública and his own Policía Municipal. He said he also would seek help from the Dirección General de Migración to handle foreigners.
Immigration agents and police sometimes conduct raids that enter the first floor of the Del Rey where a casino, slot machines and two bars are located. Persons who do not have adequate identification are detained.
But Araya seemed to be taking about a much more intensive operation. And he specifically wanted to target the many people who hang around the street corners. Some are said to sell drugs and others are said to pimp minors.
The fact that the minister of Gobernación, Policía y Seguridad Pública, Berrocal, will be part of the operation suggests that it is not the normal Saturday night sweep
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So carry a photo copy of your passport and entry stamp.
I like to have kinda rough sex,bite a little bit,get bitten a little bit etc etc. Does anyone how do you ask for this in Spanish and is this possible when you p4p?
Because most of the times these chicks don't even let you scuk a little hard on their boobs. :)
That is good news, but it was posted over an hour earlier by Diablo at another forum (not that we don't appreciate KYJ updating this site too. More significant, since then not a single reaction here but over 30 additional posts in that one thread alone at another forum. Even more surprising for Chilimike is not a single one of those 30 replies in less than 10 hours made any mention of the sportsmen lodge let alone how "GREAT" it is.
My main comment regarding the article itself is this: [b]BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR[/b]. It sounds like the mayor's solution is as much to come down on and clean up what is going down in the HDR as what is happening on the corner. I doubt very much any undocumented chica from Colombia, Nica or anywhere else has much to do with what is going down on the streets, but they will certainly pay a price with this campaign and therefore indirectly so will we. I also seriously doubt the guys doing these robberies are illegal aliens either and in any event will just run for cover when the paddy wagons show up. What they need to do is to post a couple of policeman in that area continuously in much the same way they did in Morazon Park. that way not only will the criminal elements be driven off they will stay away as long as the cops are there. About the only positive thing I can see in this plan is if in addition to rousting illegal aliens they also disperse the crowds of beggars, drugpushers and ne'er-do-wells from in front of that hotel.
Now if you'll excuse me, I gonna go look for that Haitian hooker at the Del Rey. I must have missed her in all my previous visits. :)
Vry intresting news. I will be in San Jose for the third between July 3rd and July 7th staying at Sportsmens Lodge but certainly putting some time in the Blue Marlin. A very good tip about carrying photocopy of passport and entry stamp will make sure to do that.
I have never had any trouble with the homelss/drug dealers on the way to and from Sportsmen and Presidente where I have stayed in the past but agree that a serious crack down WAS and is needed. Here's hoping that the girls aren't the target and the street scum is
I've never had to deal with the policia in Costa Rica before my question is my Spanish stinks how bad are they at harrasing gringo's with English only communciaton skills?
[QUOTE=John02]Your best bet is to get a hotel ear the plaza central in downtown. waliking distance to the Blue Marlin and a short cab ride to other places. Check out hte Centro Comercial del Pueblo. Lots of clubs in one place. Some of the same girls in the Blue Marlin go to party in those clubs. I've seen it! Good hunting you lucky b*st*rds!![/QUOTE]Are these hotels chica freindly?
Are most hotels kool with bringing a chica back?
[QUOTE=Red Cork]are these hotels chica freindly?
are most hotels kool with bringing a chica back?[/QUOTE]RC, read my post. All hotels are NOT created equal. Some hotels are definitely chica friendly and some are definitely not and some fall somewhere in between. Your best bet before throwing out a list of places you picked at random on travelocity or priceline is to RTFF. Scanning back even just a few pages will give you the idea of the hotels most commonly favored by guys on this board. There is also a special thread just on hotel recommendations with at last count 124 seperate posts (you might have to scroll down on the costa rica page past all the other threads that have been checked off to remain at the top). Finally, you can use the search feature to look up posts with the terms "chica friendly hotel" in them. Silent Nited was a newbie. I'm a little surprised I have to tell another senior member how to use the forum. Some of the more popular SJ hotels for mongers include the Hotel Del Rey (of course, but certainly not one of my choices), the Presidente, the Sportsmen's Lodge, the Clarion Amon Plaza, the Castillo, the Best Western Downtown.
Wow....what is going on....san jose reports and photos ...just like old times...with my trip 6 weeks away its great to see some posts on our board. Maybe this is the start of something, on that other site i have seen the police are out and about & around the horseshoe and monkey bar. Also they are checking for papers on us and the girls alike....havnt heard of any muggings in the last few weeks so maybe its working....I heard the monkey bar is closed down...is that true..? not that i ever go in there, or its that great ...maybe they will put something in there that will work (maybe a daytime strip bar so we have something else to do during the day) i could sit at the bar and watch some girls dance and strip and throw down some cheap beers...
I'm planning my first trip to CR and am wonderinf if Hotel Don Carlos would be a good olace for a few days in San Jose. How far fro Gring Gulch? Chica friendly? Air-conditioning etc.
Any comments are appreciated.
[QUOTE=Barabbas2]I'm planning my first trip to CR and am wonderinf if Hotel Don Carlos would be a good olace for a few days in San Jose. How far fro Gring Gulch? Chica friendly? Air-conditioning etc.
Any comments are appreciated.[/QUOTE]Close to Gringo Gulch. Not chica friendly. No A/C but not really needed. Nice place if all you want to do is go out to bars, MP's and strip clubs (room #10 is directly across the street from New Fantasy) but go somewhere else if you plan to bring chicas back to your room.
The reliable Hotel Del Rey is always available for first time visitors who read this board. I recommend it for a first time visitor.
William Walker
Barrabas2, for similar rates and quality, and a MUCH more chica friendly environment in the same neighborhood as the Don Carlos, I recommend Sportsmen's Lodge.
arrived on the redeye taca flight monday morning. i had work/business to do each day from around 7am until 7pm (including transportation time) so i did not participate in any daytime activities; my mongering was confined to evenings.
i stayed at the morazan because it's close to the action and they offer a rate of $35/night with the tico times coupon, plus tax plus safe key fee of $3/day. they said there was a chica fee of $10 but i am pretty sure they did not charge it to my wingman nor i; i will have to double check but pretty sure they did not charge this. so the morazan is a great choice right now. my only complaint is that the showers there suck, at least in some (most?) rooms. my room often only had hot water only, so i had to stand to the side and fan water on to myself, or it would burn me. my friend had similar problems with his shower. i complained and they said there was nothing they could do about it, they were having problems in the whole hotel. also i do not like ricky/ricardo at all, the guy is very pushy about insisting he take your bags for you and get your taxi for you to the airport and i prefer to do it myself. other than that, you can't beat the price, and the rooms aren't bad at all. they even replaced the keyboard in the lobby so the internet is once again usable there. in feb. the keyboard was so bad i could hardly use it, and 2 of the rooms i had were smelly and had toilet problems. this time was much better overall.
day 1:
after i got my bidnez out of the way, i went over to new fantasy to check it out. the selection was quite good and out of about 8 girls on the bench, there were 2-3 that i would have chosen. however our mission was to introduce my friend to zona blue, so we moved on down the street. i love new fantasy's saunas and private lockers but am not wild about having to choose the girls from a room with little or no interaction first. too much like a "who--house", i prefer the bar set-up at zb and idem.
i didn't see much that i wanted at zb that night, and mostly i wanted a good massage. i asked the bartender and she recommended a tall girl named paola i think it was, but she did not appeal to me. there was a cute girl with jet black curly long hair across the room who kept smiling at me, and that's always a good sign, so i finally chose her. her name is marcela and though her body is not ideal, she was within acceptable proportions. mostly i found her face adorable and her hair was very attractive. let me say right here, i go for #1: attitude; #2: face; and #3 body. of course i never go for fat chicks, but some guys would say some of the chicks i pick have a little too much tummy. i do this not because i like big tummies (i don't), but because the attitude and face are more important to me.
by the way, marcela told me that the bartender always has one of two favorites and will recommend them over anyone else. this is really not fair to the other girls, so don't necessarily go with the recommendations of the bartender. i wonder if she gets a kickback...?
anyway, marcela gave a pretty good massage, was very kind and sweet, and her sex skills were quite good if not the best. all in all i was very satisfied for $40 (with my discount card from another site), and gave her a nice tip. she also let me take photos and you can see those in the photos forum when i get around to posting them.
having arrived on the redeye flight that morning, i went to bed early so that was the extent of my mongering that night. i did go over to the bm with my wingman just to hang with him and check out the selection and see if any of my favorites were there, but i left around 10pm to sleep.
day 2:
around 7pm-8pm we headed over to idem. the selection was quite good, the only thing i don't like about that place is that they don't allow the girls to "circulate" to introduce themselves to you, and often they are sitting the whole time which does not give you a chance to see their bodies, and you have to call them over to you if you want to talk to them or see them better. their rooms are also not as nice as either nf or zb. but no big deal. it's still a good deal if you get a good chica. one of the girls there told me the manager does not allow them to "bother" the men because some men don't like that.
how do you guys feel about this? i know that the girls at the bm can be a little bothersome at times, but it's easy enough to say "no, i'm waiting for someone else". personally, i like having the girls come over or walk by so i can check them out and talk to them if i want to. if they just sit there, it doesn't give me much opportunity to see if i have chemistry with them or if they have a good attitude.
anyway, i had a drink there and i was fascinated by a little spinner i saw when i came in. i did not get a good look at her due to the above reasons, but i finally called her over. her face was not the greatest, but i love little petite chicas and i liked her hair and her smile and she seemed to have a good attitude. so what the hell, even though i probably would have chosen another if i'd met more of them up close, i went with her. her hair was blonde with little ringlet curls, and she was very short and petite. her name is julie. i went with the downstairs room which is supposed to be better, but in reality i did not think it was worth the extra $5 or so. she gave me a fairly good massage, and we had a very good time. her sex skills were average, and that is to say not bad at all. i would probably not go with her again, but i will say that she was very sweet, and she was into hugging and cuddling afterwards, which is kinda nice for a change.
later i went over to the bm which is my wingman's favorite location (that and key largo) and i sat at the bar and had a drink while waiting for him - he had found someone already and was back in his room. a dominican named rosa came over and introduced herself. she was very touchy feely and i liked her smile and her dark skin. i told her right away i was not really interested in another session as i'd just had a massage with a happy ending at idem. she was persistent and i liked her so i did not push her away. i told her i'd be happy to buy her a drink if she wants to talk, under the understanding that i was not going to employ her services this night; but maybe another night. she agreed and we enjoyed talking (i speak fluent spanish) so i bought her a couple drinks and we had a good time. after awhile she was rubbing my picha and i was rubbing her ass and so on, and i began - as she no doubt knew i would - to reconsider my position on taking her back to my room. she finally made me an offer i couldn't refuse: $40 for a half hour and more if she stayed longer. i agreed and we went back.
when we got to my room she began dancing on my bed to the latina mtv station and she stripped down to her bra and panties. i took some photos of her that way and i stripped down to my boxers and began messing around with her. she was very passionate and gave me a very good cbj, and we had a nice lengthy session. her skin is super soft and her pussy was very hot and wet and we had a great time doing it in several positions. i highly recommend this one. funny, but i had another dominican named rosa who was similarly good, a year ago. that one was a little better looking but this one was very nice and had a great attitude; read: she seems to enjoy her work. i ended up giving her $80 i think, including tip because she was there over an hour and we had a really great time.
day 3:
went over to zona blue around 7-8pm. i had a great time back in february with pamela and naomi together, doing lesbian stuff to each other and stuff to me, and me doing everything and anything to them. it was one of the greatest times of my entire life, and that is saying somthing, as i've been around the block a few times. so this time pamela was there with a girl i hadn't seen before - but heard of - named sharror, and i called them over to me as they were sitting on each other's laps and messing around with each other.
we went back to the room, and pamela started posing for photos right away. that girl loves being photographed in every position, and encourages me to take close-ups of her pussy, her sucking pussy, her sucking my picha, you name it. so i accomodated her. sharror was still out of the room for a few minutes and when she arrived she jumped in the shower and i took some photos of her there, then they both did stuff to each other while i photographed them and watched and, ahem, played with myself. then i jumped into the mix, still with camera in hand, and let me just say they went after me like two starving dogs who just found a bone with some meat on it!
it was very passionate and sexy, and they enjoyed my documenting it all with my camera, and i enjoyed everything that was happening. bbbj's from both and them taking turn on each other, too. it was awesome! just as hot as last time with naomi and pamela, and i highly recommend these girls. normally pamela is not my type, but man, that girl loves sex and knows how to have a good time in bed, at least in the context of a lesbian + me 3some. this was the highlight of my week!
also, after we were done, which i thought was very near the end of my hour, they said, "want to take a sauna?" i said, "sure! is there time?" and they said, "sure, don't worry about it." i did not measure the time but i am sure we went over an hour by the time we had a sauna and shower afterwards. they both kept kissing me and playing with my dick, etc. in the sauna and if i'd had a little more time to recover, i could have gone for a 2nd session!
meanwhile my buddy was with another girl so i went back to wait in the bar. there i talked with about 6 other girls who were all pretty decent, and one in particular appealed to me. her name was michel and she told me she gave a therapeutic quality massage. i said, "okay, then, i'll be here tomorrow at 7pm!"
my friend did not have a good time with his girl, i forget her name, but she was dark haired, very attractive, but he said she only wanted to talk, cuddle and such, was not very good in bed. he does not speak much spanish and i wonder if that is the differerence, or if he just chose wrong or had bad luck.
needless to say, i was spent after my session with pamela and sharror, and though i went back to the bm to drink with my friend, i didn't partake of anyone else's services that night.
day 4:
i went back to zb as planned and michel was waiting for me. she said she normally gets done at 7pm but she stayed late just for me and was very impressed that i actually came like i said i would, and on time. she's got a great attitude, is super sexy, and yes, she gave me a therapeutic quality massage that helped my back and neck problem. while she was doing my massage, i said, "don't forget i also want to have time for some sex!" and she assured me she'd leave time for that.
finally i couldn't wait and i pulled her on top of me and we began going at it. she really loved sex and i could tell she was going to cum. she had one big orgasm and almost a 2nd, and she was very enthusiastic the whole time. it was fantastic, her passion was exciting to me, and overall this is the kind of session that makes me go back to zona blue again and again. the girls there seem to "get it" and go the extra mile. at least that has been my experience. maybe it's because i speak spanish, which they have told me they really like about me. also i treat them nice, don't push them for stuff like bareback blowjobs or anal - if they want to do it that way, that's fine, and if they don't that is fine too. for me it's about having chemistry with a girl, out of and in the bed, and if she is cute, has a good attitude and some passion, that is all that matters to me.
i went back to the bm with my buddy but did not partake in anyone else's services that night. michel really made me feel good and relaxed and that was enough.
day 5:
i had met an old friend of mine, crystal, at the bm the previous night, and she had a friend with her, marcela, and i agreed to meet them the next night, this night, friday. it turned into a bit of a fiasco which i won't go into. but long story short, it wasn't a great experience; not bad, just not as good as with crystal and her other friend, 2-3 times before. i wish i'd have had marcela by herself, the dynamic of the 2 of them together did not work out as it has worked out with crystal and her other friend in the past. i ended up having a pretty good time, but not great.
so later, at the bm i ran into rosa the dominican again and decided that i could not let my last night end on an "off" note, so i took the sure thing and ended up having a 2nd very good time with rosa.
that was that. saturday i wanted to return to see michel at zb but i ran out of time.
a few miscellaneous notes. walking back from zona blue one evening around 8:30pm my buddy and i saw a couple of transvestites up ahead. i knew they were bad news, i'd been attacked by 4 once before and had to pull out my pepper spray to ward them off. but this time there were only 2, and there were 2 of us, so i said, "ah, what the hell - they won't hassle us!" so we walked by, they started coming toward us and we told them "no!" but they went after my buddy, one grabbed his cock and he began fighting them off. i pulled one away by the arm, and the other one was trying to get to his wallet but he had a velcro closed pocket and he/she couldn't get to it. finally my friend made a fist and angrily threatened the one, and he she took a swing at my friend but was way off, and my friend got ready to punch him/her and then they finally backed off. all in all, it makes a good story in retrospect, and since it was 2 on 2, there was not much danger, really. but as has been said many times here, do not walk back from zona blue and new fantasy after dark, or if you do, go down a few blocks down the hill before turning up towards gringo gulch; but that area isn't all that great, either; so, take a taxi! i just hate paying the taxis outside of nf and zb inflated prices, it's the principle of the thing. at least negotiate the price back to where you're going before getting in and going, because some of them will charage you way too much if you don't. it shouldn't be more than a mil, tops back to gringo gulch, and even that is pushing it.
another taxista, when returning from the bus from san ramon, took me way out of the way, and so the maria read 1700 colones although it should have been a 700 colones trip. i knew he was going out of the way but i was in a non-confrontational mood and just let it slide, chalking it up to a "tour" of san jose'. but i always try to make sure they are using the maria, and if they aren't, i ask them how much before getting in.
i did not notice much less of a problem around gringo gulch than my previous trip in february. if the police are cracking down on the crackheads and beggars they are not doing a very good job. it was still a real pain in the ass some nights. in fact one night even 2 transvestites were working and hassling people between the del rey and the morazan. several crackheads were very aggressive and followed me 30-40 feet as i made my way down that street back to the morazan. i never give them even one colon because it just encourages them, and they're only going to feed their addiction. on the other hand i gave a poor woman with a child several dollars who was sitting begging on ave. central.
i hear that the presidente still hassles some girls, while letting others enter. i've heard about them refusing entry to one relatively conservatively dressed chica into the news cafe' while allowing a fat american chica with her fat cow cleavage showing, to remain in the news cafe'. i ate at the news cafe' one morning and it was my last time. they no longer have the egg station where you can have your eggs made how you like, and the eggs i ordered were terrible. i ordered a 2nd order of eggs, scrambled this time, and they also were not good. with their new anti-chica policy (or i should say "inconsistent" policy) i am no longer giving them any of my business. eff 'em.
so, all in all, i had 9 girls (one counted for twice for 2 sesssions) in 5 and 1/2 days, and not one session was bad. the one with crystal and marcela together was not great but it did have its moments so i won't say it was bad, just weird. even if you count that one as bad, that is still a good percentage.
so that's about it. i had a great time, as usual, and as far as i'm concerned san jose' is still a fantastic mongering destination! the choice of places like zb, nf, idem, oasis, bm and kl and others makes it a lot of fun.
i did hear from many of the girls that business is very slow for them right now, so it's a good time to negotiate way down from that $100 asking price. i only paid $80 once, because i wanted to (to rosa) and the rest of the time i never paid more than $40-50 per girl, and if i liked them a lot i gave them a tip on top of that.
[QUOTE=Jaimito Cartero]I'm in SJO for a few days, and bought a Tico Times yesteday. I noticed a for sale ad for Kamur, just half a million, plus change. Perhaps it's been posted here before. Not that I'd ever invest in such a business, though I would "test" the girls. :)[/QUOTE]
Someone in another forum pointed out that you could buy land and build a nightclub/strip club in the same area for about 1/5 that price. I think you'd have to be nuts to pay anywhere near half a mil for a strip club in San Jose'.
The problem with strip clubs is that to make money you have to charge a lot for lap dances and drinks for girls, admission, etc... But how many guys want to walk in to a strip club and walk out $80 or so poorer, and not even get laid, when you can walk into many places in San Jose', drink, dance, watch chicks half naked for free, then pay $40-80 to get laid.
Strip clubs in San Jose' just don't make sense.
Don't get me wrong. I wish there WAS a strip club where I could go and pay Tico prices to see some chicks dance naked, have them sit on my lap, buy them a few drinks... but I won't pay U.S. prices for it, and most of the strip clubs in San Jose' are not that cheap.
If you or anyone else does want to start a strip club, my advice is, don't buy Kamur, build your own a lot cheaper.
Just wondering what is the price for all night long with a girl from:
A. strip club
B. street walker
C. Del Reys Bluemarlin
Also the cost of a chica friendly hotel.
a. $300-400 for the clubs like elite etc...
the tico places will be much cheaper
b. not advised-
c. $ 80-500- depending on the chica, and your negotiating skills
colombianas in most cases will not take less than $ 200 before midnight.\
Key largo chicas tend to be less money and are Nicas, ticas and Domincanas. and usually have a better attitude that the BM Cartel.The Colombianas at night control the blue marlin, and act like a cartel and intimidate the newer chicas. The hardcore Colombianas in the BM are not worth the money and some of them have real bad attitudes, they are nothing like the chicas in Colombia. This bunch in the pink palace may look good, but are nasty human beings
Thanks for the updates JSAX..great reports. Can you tell what dates you were down there? I'll be going down for a breather again soon.
Interesting story about your walk to and from the Gulch. I was curious about the safety issue down there. I don't usually go to the BM and after reading MJG's post it doesn't look like I'll be going any time soon.
I imagine business is slow because these airline prices are so fricken high. In only one year mine have more than doubled.
NB
Kudos on your reports Johnny Sax. Your report should be a gold standard of sorts as it brings my visit back in a really vivid way. I too like Idem and Zona Blue enough to incorporate them on a daily basis. It's way easier than partaking in the "hunt" that takes place in the Blue Marlin. (Althought the "hunt" is fun too.)
Speaking of gold standards, it is hard to believe that the Colombianas in the Blue Marlin rule things in such a way because there are so many beautiful women from all over Central America there. As has been suggested before, the best place for Colombian women is Colombia.
Again, thanks for the report. It will inspire me to contribute as oppose to lurk.
Interesting that some say they "run" the BM ...
I have not had a problem with the Colombianas, but I have found them at times being very pushy to try to get me to buy them drinks. I take all such requests with a grain of salt and it depends on the girl. Ususally I only buy a girl drinks who I might go with at a later time. IF she does not turn me on at all, then I am not buying drinks.
I've had a group of 3 Colombianas come sit and my table and right away ask me to buy them drinks. Yeah, right. Do I look like some kind of fool? I politely tell them no and they act like I'm a cheapskate and then leave, and I'm glad they did.
My friend and I had 2 come over late one night at the BM and I told the one right away I was not looking for sex (true) but if she wanted to sit and talk and have a drink that would be fine. She said okay, and we talked and it was fine but her friend - who I also bought a drink - wanted to leave half way through her drink, so they ended up leaving after about 5-10 minutes.
I have never had a GOOD experience with a Colombiana in San Jose'. I pretty much avoid them. Nicas and Ticas and Dominicanas are my favorites.
J-Sax,
I ditto your comments. I always stay at Morazan, good rates with coupons (I always buy an extra paper and keep it for the next trip, just in case.) They never charge me for guest.
Also, I have had no good experiences with the Columbianas.
Will be there in August.
I have stayed at the morazan 5 times and just got of the phone for my next trip aug. 16th and since i like betting in the sportsbook...on the second floor, i get room 201 which is 10 feet from the sportsbook...they have it (room 201) saved for me on my last 3 trips..make no mistake the morazan is no 5star, 4star or even a 3star(maybe about a 3) but its clean you get maid service everyday and what is the real deal is its location...1 block from the b.m. about 2 months ago when the muggings were going on at the b.m.
I had thought maybe i would stay elsewhere, due that i know i would walk back from the b.m., keylargo and horseshoe..no one would take a cab..its like 50 feet but in that 50 feet alot could happen ...so as the muggings have slowed and the police presents have increased, i have made the choice to stay at the hotel again.
For the 35.00 rate a nite , i get a full casino, a bar, that i have pulled a few good ticas out of...the staff knows me and i feel i get some special treatment ..yes ricky(big guy at the desk) can be a pain...but he is working for a living and he always goes out of his way for me ...with his hand out !! but i am ok with that...for maybe the 10.00 i tip him per trip he makes sure i have everything i need(money well spent)for a new comer in town its the perfect hotel...it keeps you close to the action...and when taking cabs to see other places ...half of the taxi drivers dont know or understand the "morazan so you just tell them ...take me to the blue marlin...and your home...the food sucks at the hotel ...but many places to eat, nice sit down meals and fast food...the bar at the hotel has cheap drinks ..i sat there for 3 hours with 2 girls and my bill was like 12,000 col.
There is great internet cafe a few blocks from the hotel and the bank across the street has a a.t.m. and has 2 guards posted at the door everyday..if you roll in at nite at 3 to 4 am as i do , you will find 2 or 3 girls just sitting on the bench in front of the front desk...and if you are trying to score with local girls there will be about 50 people in that bar from 4 am to 7 am (ticas who work at the bar and casinos, out of that 50 more than half are men)but some of the girls in that group will give you the eye....so you never know unles you make your move.
My first trip i stayed at the barmoral hotel ...as with many of us ...it shows up alot on the sites where we buy our air fare ...so i stayed ...what a rip off ..50 to 60 a nite and get this 20 per guests "each time" and when you check them in ....you are waiting with a family checking in at the same time ..the mother giving you a bad look and the father ..wishing he could switch places with you for a hour...the rooms suck and you got to go down the hill where all the muggings happen...stay away from that place...
The pres...i tried a few times to get a room ..but always full...so i stopped trying....i also tried the sportmens ...always full...off my list....i am sure there are other gems ...that i dont know about ...so i take what i know ...morazan..i know what to expect ..and the price is right..
ChiliMike,
I've stayed at the Morazon a few times myself and have always liked it. Nothing fancy but it definitely does the job and for much less than most of its rivals if you insist on getting the advertised special rate (no need to drop any names). Its gotten a bad rep the last few years for a variety of reasons, undeservedly IMHO. The first was due to its association with a certain disreputable monger who's name shall forever go unmentioned (most CR vets should know who I'm talking about). The other big complaint was a rash of misplaced reservations that occurred at the height of its popularity. A lot of mongers moved on to new preferred locations which constantly book out now themselves. My question for you, which I suppose could wait until our next "chapter meeting" but which, because I think I know the answer, other readers might find reassuring, is this. In any of your 5 visits have you ever had any problems with your reservations that others would have us believe is so rampant there?
Morazon is a good deal, if they do not screw up your reservation and when the lardass bellboy does not continue to beg for tips...
keep talking up the Morazon, it is a good value, not as nice as the presidente.
As far as the Del rey goes, tell John he is not wanted in Cartagena.......
Stay Out of Cartagena - tell that to Fat ass john the owner of the del rey. STAY OUT>>>>>>>
Their reservations are very unreliable, so don't stay there.
(That way I will continue to be able to get a good room at short notice...)
Also the truth is, their showers totally suck, for real. All hot water, in the morning, no cold at all, so it will roast your weinerif you are not extremely careful. My complaints have made no difference ("We're having a problem with the plumbing...") and this has happened like half the time I've stayed there, in various rooms.
Fat Ricky/Recardo the doorman will grab your fucking suitcases out of your hand, so he can be sure to get the tip. I don't know why I don't just tell him, "Okay, you can carry them if you really want to, but I ain't gonna tip you!" But I guess I would feel like a cheapskate, which maybe I am but I just don't need the bellboy to carry my one bag and open the room for me, and yes, believe it or not, I already know how to use the remote on the tv.
The wake up service is spotty. One day they woke me up about 30 minutes later than I needed, but luckily I had my own alarm back up and got up on time anyway.
hey nasty...i enjoy reading your posts and i think you have alot to add to this sometimes very slow section of the I.S.G. so i dont want to get in a flame war....isnt how i roll....i guess if you would of read my entire report ..i said "now that the muggings have stopped and others are seeing police in that area "...i chose to stay at the morazan... i like it there ...my reason of the report you chose to display...was after reading many reports of the muggings and harm done to guys , just like you and myself. Made me rethink of my staying there, i know i wont take a cab for a 50 feet walk!!!
Anyway...the reason why i gave that information was to inform a new guy going to san jose about what i have discovered in san jose and to share some of the things that worked for me and some that didnt...As for the morazan keeping a rsvp. i am 4 for 4 on mine...with 3 for 3 in getting the exact room i want(maybe giving the fat guy a few bucks here and there ..helps)
The reason i read this board and other sites , is it keeps me updated on whats going on there ...ex. the muggings and crime that was going on about 2 months ago but with the help of this site and the other one ...it has helped me feel that things are safe and getting better....
I don't understand why anyone would exceed cien. A cost analysis, considering airfare, hotel, etc. should show that the market can not yield more that cien. Better to stay in USA or wherever.
Was curious why MJG Dogs is against John Desmond? I've wondered for many years if Hotel Del Rey is mafia affiliated? Also Morazon sucks (old and dirty--and horrible atmosphere). All hotels are now overpriced in San Jose. Incia Real is a perfect example. Royal dutch is slightly better than Morazon (and the same price), just further from Del Rey. There's also another hotel on 2nd avenue that's just down from royal Dutch (starts with a T...), it's about the same price as Morazon and again slightly better rooms. Plus if Sleep Inn did not want people bringing women in their rooms, why did they locate right next to Del Rey? Balmoral is trying to make big play for News Cafe customers with their new restaraunt. Hotel Presidente is out of control trying to dictate policies like gestapo, why do people continue to support the owners.
Last tirade, what's up with people on other websites so obsessed with The 15 or so girls that work at Zona Blue. There are a couple of girls that are good in bed, but nothing to get so fixated about. Plus why do they jack up the prices of drinks (water, coca cola, beer), it's ridiculous (same with Idem).
I think the jury is still out on whether it's getting better or not, but if it had gotten so bad that you still couldn't walk the incredibly short distance to the Morazon safely then you might as well re-think going to the HDR/BM altogether because that would mean you probably couldn't walk the similar distance between the HDR and the KL or even safely catch a cab. One could probably run the distance to the Morazon in under 5 seconds. Having to take a cab to walk to the Presidente is also "kinda" ridiculous but at least somewhat more understandable and unfortunately still probably advisable given the darkened doorways down that stretch of road and the corners you have to go around. The incidents that I have heard about (with the exception of one a long time ago) have all been either going down the hill to the Presidente or past the Morazon to the Balmoral, on the Avenida Central Promenade itself or on the Morazon Park side of the KL and NOT on the short stretch of road to the Morazon.
Re: the tongue-in-cheek warnings to stay away from the Morazon by guys who want to keep it as a little secret for themselves, sure it has some shortcomings. But so do ALL the others. The HDR is most popular with newbies and in my view the WORST deal around. The SL is trumpeted by many but they've had some noise issues and as ChiliMike will tell you as a chica venue may be a matter of YMMV. The recent problems with the Prez re: their dress code, change in breakfast quality, etc. have also been documented. That's not to say either of those last 2 places aren't highly desirable in other ways but because of their popularity they're often booked out way in advance (a fate MJG and JS are seeking to avoid for the Morazon) and they also cost much more than the Morazon.
[QUOTE=Qncterra]J-Sax,
I ditto your comments. I always stay at Morazan, good rates with coupons (I always buy an extra paper and keep it for the next trip, just in case.) They never charge me for guest.
Also, I have had no good experiences with the Columbianas.
Will be there in August.[/QUOTE]
I haven't been keeping up with the SJO posting for a while and just took a few minutes to catch up. Wanted to say Hi to you and Chase Star and any of the other "brothers in rubbers" that I've been missing for a while.
Shamas O'Dognasty
Gourmet Catering y
Septic Tank Cleaning
[QUOTE=Jaimito Cartero]I'm in SJO for a few days, and bought a Tico Times yesteday. I noticed a for sale ad for Kamur, just half a million, plus change. Perhaps it's been posted here before. Not that I'd ever invest in such a business, though I would "test" the girls. :)[/QUOTE]
Half Mill for Kamur, lol lol lol lol lol lol, half mill what, USD $$$ lol lol lol, Colonies, almost as funny. I want to see the guy who'd pay half mill for Kamur
>>>Whats the best way to make a small fortune with a bar in SJO ?
>>>Start off with a big fortune
Half a mill for Kamur, 8-0
[QUOTE=Playapavones]Was curious why MJG Dogs is against John Desmond? I've wondered for many years if Hotel Del Rey is mafia affiliated?
There is more laundering through the pink palace than in a Chinese laundermat.
John is an asshole.
End of story........
I think this has been discussed before...but - have a free long weekend in September and wondering where I should go - Costa Rica or Dominican?
Thoughts from fellows who might have spent tim ein both places would be appreciated...and how do they compare to Asia? Never been to LatAm but lotsa experience mongering in Asia.
Gracias!
Well Chacha, neither CR nor the DR will make you forget Asia. Personally, I prefer Costa Rica, because there is alot less abject poverty there, and I don't feel like I'm exploiting someone who has no choice, but rather, the act feels to me to be alot more consensual.
I haven't been to DR so I'm not the best person to say, but I have looked into the DR and here is my general impression. The venues that you use to meet chicas are somewhat different but I think the bigger difference is in locale. If you want "sex on the beach" or at least near it, the DR may have CR beat. True there is always Jaco in CR, but SJ is really where the true action is and what made CR famous for sex tourism and SJ is at least 2 hours or more from Jaco which in turn aside from its mongering appeal is far from the best beach in CR. If you don't care about being near the beach all the time or don't mind making the Jaco compromise for that part of your trip, you can have a little of the best of both worlds. Also if you want to mix a little traditional tourism and sightseeing in with with your mongering I think there is probably a great more to see and do in CR beyond just relaxing on the beach.
One final consideration, and I really don't know if or whether this factors in, is weather. CR in September can be very rainy and near Jaco it can be very hot and humid as well. SJ, being up in the mountains, stays a little cooler but still can get a lot of rain at that time of year. I don't know how DR gets in September. It is a little further north, which MIGHT make it a little cooler and POSSIBLY a little less rainy. OTOH, where you'd be going in DR is at sea level so you'd lose the possible cooler altitude advantage of CR's central valley.
Also, what time will you be going? Labor day weekend is probably already fully booked up and will see a huge influx of mongers attending their annual "convention". This can be a great time to meet like-minded guys and exchange war stories but can be a little less than desirable when a hoard of them descend on your favorite MP at the exact same time you choose to stop in.
Chaca,
I have recently been to SJ and Sosua and have enjoyed both places. Which one is the best option depends upon what our looking for. In San Jose, there was alot more variety in chicas ranging from light to dark. There were chicas there from many countries including Ecuador, Colombia, DR, and Gautemala. San Jose had more options for chica finding such as Idem, Sportmen, Del Rey, etc. Plus, all these places are only minutes from each other Also, San Jose has better options for eco-tourism.
Keep in mind, I am only comparing San Jose to Sosua. I understand that in Santo Domingo, there is plenty of nightlife and more variety in women. In Sosua, the main spots are Club X and Classico's. However, after a few days you will see the same women. The women here are mostly dark(which was not a problem for me), but the prices here were cheaper overall than in san jose. The women here might not beat the women in SJ in the looks category, but they hold there own in all other categories. Wait a minute, an ISG exclusive just came in....some members on the board are reporting that there is a country-wide crackdown on prostitution in the DR. Well, I guess that answers your question. CR it is!!!! What waste of my time:)
That is funny, I just got back from the Morazon and he did the same to me....I had one bag...a small roller bag...and before I could put my wallet back in my pocket...he was off trying to take my bag and take me upstairs to my room.
I was tired and just 20 minutes prior I had to play the "Milk the American" game with the cab drivers trying to hustle me for an expensive ride into town. Sure I could have appeased him and let him do it, but if you travel internationally enough...you get tired of being nickled and dimed and outright con'd
I had to insist 3 times in the lobby that I didn't need his assistance..and twice he said he needed to make sure the TV and AC worked.
Finally he got an attitude and shoved the remote in my hand...like a little girl. I wonder what he would have done if it were 3 of us going up at the same time...would he had split in thirds in search of the all mighty tip?
[QUOTE=Johnny Sax]Their reservations are very unreliable, so don't stay there.
(That way I will continue to be able to get a good room at short notice...)
Also the truth is, their showers totally suck, for real. All hot water, in the morning, no cold at all, so it will roast your weinerif you are not extremely careful. My complaints have made no difference ("We're having a problem with the plumbing...") and this has happened like half the time I've stayed there, in various rooms.
Fat Ricky/Recardo the doorman will grab your fucking suitcases out of your hand, so he can be sure to get the tip. I don't know why I don't just tell him, "Okay, you can carry them if you really want to, but I ain't gonna tip you!" But I guess I would feel like a cheapskate, which maybe I am but I just don't need the bellboy to carry my one bag and open the room for me, and yes, believe it or not, I already know how to use the remote on the tv.
The wake up service is spotty. One day they woke me up about 30 minutes later than I needed, but luckily I had my own alarm back up and got up on time anyway.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Playapavones]... Also Morazon sucks (old and dirty--and horrible atmosphere). [/quote]
The Morazan is not that dirty, at least not in the rooms, I'm not sure what you mean. Yes, it's old. Yes, it has shower problems. For the money, it's a great price for the location. But suit yourself.
[QUOTE=Playapavones]
Balmoral is trying to make big play for News Cafe customers with their new restaraunt. [/quote]
Is that the one directly across from the News Cafe? If it is, I'll have to say they need to improve their service AND food if they want me to go there. I am no longer going to the News Cafe' because they took away the egg bar (a guy making my eggs how I like them while I watch and make suggestions). But I went to that place across the street and it was pretty bad. I need a new breakfast place not too far from gringo gulch - any suggestions?
[QUOTE=Playapavones]
Hotel Presidente is out of control trying to dictate policies like gestapo, why do people continue to support the owners.[/quote]
This has been discussed a bunch, and all I'll say is I agree with you 200%!
It is beyond me why people still support them, and especially why the other mongering site who has a discount deal with them, puts up with their b.s. without raising a fuss. But so it goes...
[QUOTE=Playapavones]Last tirade, what's up with people on other websites so obsessed with The 15 or so girls that work at Zona Blue. There are a couple of girls that are good in bed, but nothing to get so fixated about. Plus why do they jack up the prices of drinks (water, coca cola, beer), it's ridiculous (same with Idem).[/QUOTE]
Why I love Zona Blue:
It's easy, no hassles, they have a good selection of girls (not big selection but big enough to find something I like), the girls I've had there have been almost 100% good, if not great; they have a nice sauna, and showers in the room, and I've never had ONE problem there, ever.
New Fantasy, on the other hand, went downhill there for awhile. It might be better now, at least the selection was better last month when I looked in on them. And I don't like the "choose more or less quickly" after looking at them behind a mirror approach.
IDEM has the same problem of choosing them, without being easily able to hang with them first.
So what it boils down to, is that I get what I want at ZB, and it has a bar-like atmosphere which I prefer, and the girls are easier to see and chat with there, than at Idem.
But I go to all these places, it's just that lately ZB has been the winner.
Just my 2 cents.
[QUOTE=DarkRum]That is funny, I just got back from the Morazon and he did the same to me....I had one bag...a small roller bag...and before I could put my wallet back in my pocket...he was off trying to take my bag and take me upstairs to my room.
I was tired and just 20 minutes prior I had to play the "Milk the American" game with the cab drivers trying to hustle me for an expensive ride into town. Sure I could have appeased him and let him do it, but if you travel internationally enough...you get tired of being nickled and dimed and outright con'd
I had to insist 3 times in the lobby that I didn't need his assistance..and twice he said he needed to make sure the TV and AC worked.
Finally he got an attitude and shoved the remote in my hand...like a little girl. I wonder what he would have done if it were 3 of us going up at the same time...would he had split in thirds in search of the all mighty tip?[/QUOTE]
Good for you, for standing up to his b.s.!
On the other hand, I now see him as sort of pathetic. I mean, he has no dignity by acting that way. If he would just let me do what I want, I'd have more respect for him and maybe slip him a tip here and there for one thing or another. But forcing me to let him carry my one suitcase and turn on the tv for me is just b.s.. He needs to find more respectable ways to get tips or make some $.
I tend to let him get away with it just because I go there a lot lately and don't want to make an enemy of anyone; nevertheless he knows I am not a big fan of his, I'm sure, from my attitude towards him.
Another thing he does is insist on calling you a cab, so that he gets a kickback. I can't prove this but I'm pretty sure he gets a kickback from the guy he calls. I prefer to get my own cab and negotiate the price. You can save at least $3 by letting the guy use his maria to take you out there, as opposed to paying $15. No big deal, but like you say, you get tired of being "taken" for a dollar here and a dollar there every time you turn around.
I am generous with the chicas, if they treat me right, and I am generous with good waiters who give me good service, and etc.. But I do not like a guy insisting he call me a cab which will cost me $3 extra, nor expecting a tip for carrying my one carry-on bag up to my room for me when I have the bag in my hand ready to carry it myself.
[QUOTE=Johnny Sax]Good for you, for standing up to his b.s.!
On the other hand, I now see him as sort of pathetic. I mean, he has no dignity by acting that way. If he would just let me do what I want, I'd have more respect for him and maybe slip him a tip here and there for one thing or another. But forcing me to let him carry my one suitcase and turn on the tv for me is just b.s.. He needs to find more respectable ways to get tips or make some $.
I tend to let him get away with it just because I go there a lot lately and don't want to make an enemy of anyone; nevertheless he knows I am not a big fan of his, I'm sure, from my attitude towards him.
Another thing he does is insist on calling you a cab, so that he gets a kickback. I can't prove this but I'm pretty sure he gets a kickback from the guy he calls. I prefer to get my own cab and negotiate the price. You can save at least $3 by letting the guy use his maria to take you out there, as opposed to paying $15. No big deal, but like you say, you get tired of being "taken" for a dollar here and a dollar there every time you turn around.
Guys it is in their culture. Costa ricans will try to sodomize you out of every nickel you have. Deep down they Dispise Americans, but yet they have that "happy meal" smile about them. Living there for about 6 months in 2002, I learned the game. Costa Ricans remind me of the French in a way, they are two faced., except for some of them whom have relatives and may have been educated in the states, they tend to be more straight Forward. They feel that the United States has an obligation to give them whatever they want. they also remind me of the French, due to their anti-war appeasement mentality. Costa Ricans do not like to be confronted.
Don't feel bad though, they screw each other also....
Whatever you do with them, never ever lose your cool... Just be firm and say "no" in a regular toned voice, it works... But fat ass, you may have to yell at him. When he gets out of hand , give him a quarter
I thank MJG Dogs for responding, albeit cryptic about Del Rey John. If you ever elaborate further than "end of story" about specifics of why you have issues -- I'm just curious. Greg has always been super nice to me though, but I've always wondered about mob ties.
Johnny Sax likes Morazon, I don't. 12 years ago it was old and dirty, now I just feel it's oldier and dirtier, don't like the rooms, horrible atmosphere and had an issue of them charging me a higher than promised rate two months ago which was the first time I had stayed there in 12 years. Think the only advantage to it is the proximity to Del Rey for a cheaper rate. Now that I rarely go to Del Rey, I prefer other hotels which charge the same price. More room for Johnny Sax.
So far as Zona Blue, I like Eddie, but only two current girls I will pay for and ZB used to give you a free water or coke (New Fantasy still does). The mirror at NF is a joke, it's like a bad police lineup, plus the girls can see through it anyway. I have had the most consistently good sex over the years at Idem. New Fantasy seems to fluctuate alot. When I was there in late June, it was quite good-- in April, it was bad. Just my two cents worth. The fact is there is no longer a low season for tourism in CR and it is driving up the cost of everything (hotels, etc.)
Oh yeah forgot about this. Not sure if it's open yet, but Balmoral is building a big restaurant to compete with News Cafe (not that I like Balmoral). Harley (I think that's his name) from Canada, who made News Cafe a success, was going to be the main guy in the rennovations (and actually from what he told me it sounded pretty good menu wise); but as of late June, he had argued with Balmoral owners and was fired.
[QUOTE=MJG Dogs]Guys it is in their culture. Costa ricans will try to sodomize you out of every nickel you have. Deep down they Dispise Americans, but yet they have that "happy meal" smile about them. Living there for about 6 months in 2002, I learned the game. Costa Ricans remind me of the French in a way, they are two faced., except for some of them whom have relatives and may have been educated in the states, they tend to be more straight Forward. They feel that the United States has an obligation to give them whatever they want. they also remind me of the French, due to their anti-war appeasement mentality. Costa Ricans do not like to be confronted.[/QUOTE]That might be somewhat true but I don't know if I would frame it quite that way. You're stereotyping all ticos (except for the few with direct exposure to the US) and I'm not so sure that is safe to do any more than it is for them to stereotype us. The fact is that nearly all ticos, and certainly the vast majority with their hands out, are much poorer than even the most humble of us. They see us as having tons of money to just throw around. That is a stereotype too, but for too many gringo tourists it seems to apply quite well (albeit probably not the ones that stay at a cheap hotel like the Morazon). So, in their view, the most likely route for them to make the money they need to survive is by soaking us for as much as they can. Even more so than from their fellow ticos. After all, we're the ones that have the money and we're the ones that have the culture of tipping everyone at the drop of a hat even for just standard or substandard service. Ticos don't normally tip 15% at restaurants or give anything more than the 10% that is automatically added to their bills and probably wouldn't even leave that if they didn't have to. I'd be willing to bet you don't flinch at leaving a 15% or more tip when you go out back home. I'm not saying that to suggest that we should bring our US standards for tipping to CR, but some idiot gringos certainly do and it helps explain why more and more ticos are coming to expect it from the rest of us. Stereotypes!
I'm not saying we should surrender to this cultural trend but I don't think it helps to get angered by it either. I'm saying understand where it is coming from and shrug it off. If someone grabs your bags as a means for extracting a tip. Politely insist it is not needed or desired. Grab them back. If you can't, stop in him at the door of your room. You can figure out the light switches and TV remotes on your own. If he insists on giving you the grand tour, give him a friendly "gracias y adios". If he puts his hand out, shake it and say "hasta la vista". Sooner rather than later he'll get the idea, you have no intention of tipping him for a service you didn't want in the first place and maybe the next time you come to stay there he'll remember you and leave you alone. He'll certainly remember you if you fall for his ploy and tip him. But you should remember that is all just part of the game that is inevitable as any poor country starts to experience more visits from wealthier tourists.
Look at it as just a game that is played between the 2 cultures, one in which you ultimately control the wallet, and just laugh it off. MJG is right that ticos don't like to be confronted, which is why they may seem to be two-faced, but that is just part of their culture. Remember, that you are in their world. Being too straightforward or showing your irritation is the worse thing you could do. MJG is right, never ever lose your cool. That will only feed their stereotypes about us.
As for the two-faced tico stereotype, first I don't think that is universally true. They may see us as walking wallets and be friendly to us for that reason but that doesn't mean they all or even most secretly despise us. Second, for those ticos that DO secretly despise us, you should understand where that might be coming from.
To begin with, we as a nation haven't exactly been behaving on the world stage in a manner that exactly endears us. Forget about our heavyhanded tactics in the moslem world, our policies in LatAm have been quite controversial as well. LAFTA, which we've been ramming down their throat, is probably going to put a lot of ICE emplyees out of work and the impact on the agricultural sector is an open question as well. True its our government and not the people doing this but we elected them.
Also, as individuals, many gringos don't exactly act in a manner that endear us to them. Of course, it is stereotyping to generalize the bad behavior of a few to the rest of us, but that happens and it is often the most boorish and arrogant fellow tourists that become the most noticeable.
Finally, even when we are on our best behavior, the very fact that we are down there able to throw money around that they don't have, able to buy things that they can't afford, including their women and driving the prices up is bound to cause resentment among some ticos. How would you feel if the show were on the other foot?
Quote MJ DOGS,
"Guys it is in their culture. Costa Ricans will try to sodomize you out of every nickel you have. Deep down they Dispise Americans, but yet they have that "happy meal" smile about them. Living there for about 6 months in 2002, I learned the game. Costa Ricans remind me of the French in a way, they are two faced., except for some of them whom have relatives and may have been educated in the states, they tend to be more straight Forward. They feel that the United States has an obligation to give them whatever they want. they also remind me of the French, due to their anti-war appeasement mentality. Costa Ricans do not like to be confronted.
Don't feel bad though, they screw each other also.
Whatever you do with them, never ever lose your cool. Just be firm and say "no" in a regular toned voice, it works. But fat ass, you may have to yell at him. When he gets out of hand , give him a quarter"
While I don't claim to be an expert on their culture, I have gong to C.R. for the past 12 years and with that said, I believe a lot of what DOGS said is true. I've been there on family trips and personal trips, I've made a lot of friends with ex-us pats. Its is clear that they see Americans as wealthy millionaires and play the "lets screw the gringo". While I believe they are geniune in their friendship, when you do make a friend. It all comes down to money and how much can they get from you. It doensn't matter wether its a girl , cab driver or shop keeper. Do they despise Americans? probably some do, most don't. Right now our economy is faltering, travel is down to C.R. I know that some businesses are hurting in San Jose. On one of my very first trips tp C.R. a very wise older ex-pat gave me several pieces of advise for C.R.
1. If it flys , Floats or Fucks, rent it
2. If you want to leave C.R. with a million dollars make sure and bring at least two million.
3. Theres always a gringo or a tico waiting to screw you out of your money.
As far a world politics go, for too long American have been shouldering the burden of being the worlds police man. I say F***K the French, Germans and Russians, let them start assuming more of leadership role in the Middle East. They for a fact really do despise Americans. I don't like idea of sheding any more American Blood for the countries that smile in your face while sticking it in your back. I hope Israel Nukes Iran. The rest will fall in line.
Flaco
[QUOTE=Chase Star]ne in which you ultimately control the wallet, and just laugh it off. MJG is right that ticos don't like to be confronted, which is why they may seem to be two-faced, but that is just part of their culture. Remember, that you are in their world. Being too straightforward or showing your irritation is the worse thing you could do. MJG is right, never ever lose your cool. That will only feed their stereotypes about us.
That is a very good way of seeing things Chase Star, a game to see whom controls your wallet. You can expand it also to the chicas..
The resentment is jealousy more than anything. This attitude towards us has gone on for years and was the same , in the early 90's, when shithead was the president. LAFTA, foreign policy and war on terror, also do play a role in their hatred, but they more than any other culture in Latin America, " bites the hand that feeds them". Without American Investment, tourism etc... Costa Rica becomes another Honduras economically. In fact Panama's economy is much much better than Costa Rica's. Costa Rica also has way too much socialism in the workforce, and try even getting cable TV installed, you have to go through 3 or 4 people to get a simple task completed.
Costa rica needs to reform internally or else not just Panama will exceed them economically in the region... Just my take Chase.....
This is Tony Lama Butch'es fault too!!!!
IMHO, Chase Star's post below is the best primer that a newbie could possibly read in order to understand where the typical Costa Rican is coming from in dealing with us when we are in their country. I have re-posted it under Reports of Distinction.
[QUOTE=Flacoduro1]... I hope Israel Nukes Iran. ... [/QUOTE]
You and me both, brother. :D
[QUOTE=Beavis]This is Tony Lama Butch'es fault too!!!![/QUOTE]
Could be beavis. Especially the ones wearing the Burnt Orange texas Longhorns Polo Shirts, that are crisply ironed, with the gold chains, fake rolex, and with Burnt Orange and White Fake ostrich Cowboy Boots...
These creatures were all over Los Angeles last new years for the BCS title game at the rose Bowl. They are loud and never shut up.. Too bad some of them did not think the game was at the LA Coliseum and get lost driving around MLK and Figeroua. They would have shit in their pants, just like they would if they ran into FARC down in Colombia.......
[QUOTE=Chase Star], the very fact that we are down there able to throw money around that they don't have, able to buy things that they can't afford, including their women ?[/QUOTE]
You lost me on this one Chase!!!
Are you implying they aren't banging their women...one might conclude from that idea that all those babies they are supporting must be half gringo,
I don't think so Chase
But they tell a good lie and I guess they actually make some of us feel like we are special (sic)
[QUOTE=MJG Dogs]
Guys it is in their culture. Costa ricans will try to sodomize you out of every nickel you have. Deep down they Dispise Americans, but yet they have that "happy meal" smile about them. Living there for about 6 months in 2002, I learned the game. Costa Ricans remind me of the French in a way, they are two faced., except for some of them whom have relatives and may have been educated in the states, they tend to be more straight Forward. They feel that the United States has an obligation to give them whatever they want. they also remind me of the French, due to their anti-war appeasement mentality. Costa Ricans do not like to be confronted.
Don't feel bad though, they screw each other also....
Whatever you do with them, never ever lose your cool... Just be firm and say "no" in a regular toned voice, it works... But fat ass, you may have to yell at him. When he gets out of hand , give him a quarter[/QUOTE]
You make some valid points. I also have lived there, and known quite a few Ticos. I think, like any people, it is over-generalizing to say that it is in their culture to want us to give them money, or that they despise Americans. Some do, some don't. Some love Americans.
Overall, I have found the people to be genuinely helpful and nice there. Maybe part of it is a matter of "Getting back what you put out there".
Chase, we sometimes don't see eye to eye on things, but I respect your opinions and certainly your right to have different ones than mine.
I think you have made a very cogent appraisal of the situation here, as far as Tico culture. I basically agree with everything you said.
With Ricky Ricardo it is a no-win situation, I think. Or rather, it is either you give in (he wins) or you don't give in, and he loses and he thinks you are just a cheap American asshole because you have plenty of money but don't want to give him a dollar. But it's the principle of it, not the buck, that bothers me.
If I had 2 heavy bags, I'd gladly give him $2 or so to carry them for me.
Actually the cheapness of the Morazan is not the main reason I stay there. I stay there because the Del Rey is full, and I like the close location; and I refuse to stay at the Prez since their Draconian dress code policy. With my discount I could stay at the Prez cheap enough, but I don't. Again, it's the principle of it. (Plus the fact I don't want to risk any hassles at the door or desk.)
I can address the issue of people in the 3rd World or "Developing Countries" having the opinion that Americans are all rich. I had a girlfriend from Mexico who told me that in fact, her and her friends and family thought that everyone in the U.S. was rich and there was no poverty at all! Sounds stupid, but yes, many people in these poorer countries believe this. I guess stories about homeless and poverty don't make it into the 7 o'clock news down there.
They know we make a LOT of money here, but what they do not know is that we also pay a LOT of bills on things they don't: car insurance, medical insurance, parking fines, moving violations, utilities, clothes, EVERYthing is high here in the good ole USA but all they hear are the incomes, not the out-goes. They have no idea that one might pay $1200 a month for a one bedroom apartment, $60 for cable, $100 for gas heat, $400 for medical insurance and then still pay $25 for a doctor visit... We all know this stuff, but they don't, so they think we're rich. Some of us are. Others of us are just getting by, but have a priority of spending our spare money on chicas Ticas.
I have gone out with Tico friends and at the end of the night, the girl - who I was NOT with at all, she was just invited along for the ride by another Tico - expected ME to pay her cab fare back to her pueblo out of town, about $8. I refused and she started to cry. I gave them a lecture about how all Americans aren't rich, in fact at that time (I was living in Costa Rica) I was nearly flat broke myself, and simply could not afford to pay for her cab. I don't know what they thought, but I know I felt that they were out to milk me. They'd also expected me to pay for drinks earlier on which I refused to do, though I may have put in a couple extra bucks. I think it was an education for them, to see an American who wasn't rich. So the point is, there IS this idea that all gringos have money to burn. And in COMPARISON to them, we usually do, if you look at it that way. I have more money now than I did then, but having been poor before, I have respect for how hard money is to get, and I don't like giving it away for nothing. On the other hand, if I see a poor woman in the street, obviously hungry and in need, I will go out of my way to double back and give her some money.
But the whole thing is, for me I am against the principle of letting someone like Ricky / Ricardo force me into giving him money to carry my bag when I do not wish him to carry it. It's not the money, it's the principle of it.
As to staying at the Morazan because it's cheap, yes, it's nice that it's cheap, but frankly I stay there more because of it's location. If I could get a nicer room for $50-65 in that location, I would pay it.
However, regarding the rooms at the Morazan, the rooms are not that bad, exept for the showers that don't work right. The girls usually go "This is nice!" which is good enough for me. Also, another thing: the rooms at the Morazan, at least the ones I get, are QUIET. You can hear the music at Key Largo, depending on your location, but not too loud and with my ear plugs in I sleep great there. Not so at some other places, even the Prez with their hard floor hallways and clicking heels. I've never had a problem sleeping at the Morazan.
[QUOTE=Chase Star]That might be somewhat true but I don't know if I would frame it quite that way. You're stereotyping all ticos (except for the few with direct exposure to the US) and I'm not so sure that is safe to do any more than it is for them to stereotype us. The fact is that nearly all ticos, and certainly the vast majority with their hands out, are much poorer than even the most humble of us. They see us as having tons of money to just throw around. That is a stereotype too, but for too many gringo tourists it seems to apply quite well (albeit probably not the ones that stay at a cheap hotel like the Morazon). So, in their view, the most likely route for them to make the money they need to survive is by soaking us for as much as they can. Even more so than from their fellow ticos. After all, we're the ones that have the money and we're the ones that have the culture of tipping everyone at the drop of a hat even for just standard or substandard service.
... etc...[EDIT]
Finally, even when we are on our best behavior, the very fact that we are down there able to throw money around that they don't have, able to buy things that they can't afford, including their women and driving the prices up is bound to cause resentment among some ticos. How would you feel if the show were on the other foot?[/QUOTE]
[quote=member #2666]you lost me on this one chase!!!
are you implying they aren't banging their women...one might conclude from that idea that all those babies they are supporting must be half gringo,
i don't think so chase
but they tell a good lie and i guess they actually make some of us feel like we are special (sic)[/quote]
i think it was clear that chase was saying that the ticos cannot afford the prostitutes in the del rey, not that they can't afford to date other ticas.
one other form of resentment they have for us is increasing, and that is that we are buying up all their best property and many of them can no longer afford to buy it.
this however is a double-edged sword: we also bring jobs to an area, employing them to be gardeners, maids, farm workers, construction workers, maids, cooks, babysitters, etc. etc..
gringos bring a ton of money into costa rica and in fact, if they start enforcing draconian immigration and tax laws which they are talking about doing, then they will be cutting off the hand that feeds them, killing the goose that lays the golden eggs...
that said, i can certainly understand their resentment of rich gringos buying up their land. but the same thing happens here: rich japanese, saudis, etc. buy up our real estate, even our farms, our businesses, etc.. it's the way of the new world odor, one world economy, and will only get worse with cafta, like it did with nafta, but there will be some advantages as well. all in all, politics has not changed: it's all about the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer. the corporations will [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] the land and abuse the people and destroy the environment for the almighty dollar. always has been that way and always will be. it's just that now, it's gone global more so than ever before.
[QUOTE=Member #2666][Quote=Chase Star]
, the very fact that we are down there able to throw money around that they don't have, able to buy things that they can't afford, including their women ?[/quote]
You lost me on this one Chase!!!
Are you implying they aren't banging their women...one might conclude from that idea that all those babies they are supporting must be half gringo,
I don't think so Chase[/QUOTE]That's not what I was suggesting at all. What I'm saying is the fact that we have so much more money to throw around for pussy changes the whole dynamic in many ways.
First of all, it makes prostitution more appealing from the women's perspective since there is so much more money to potentially be made and so it turns sisters, wives and girlfriends into hookers that might not otherwise become ones. In other words, whether they're getting any themselves or not, how would you feel if a woman close to you was prostituting herself with some fat old gringo with a ton more money than you and as a result in addition to "sullying her honor" it puts her in the position of being the real breadwinner. Don't get me wrong I'm sure many of these guys would have no problem "sullying a girl's honor" themselves, but it is probably something else for some fat old gringo being able to do it to "their" women. Also, I'm sure they have no problem spending the money that their chicas bring home but I'm sure the fact she's the breadwinner instead of them must have some impact on the latin male ego.
Secondly, while I'm sure that tico men are probably not hurting at all for lack of willing pussy, that is more for lack of enough gringos to go around. As many of us as there are, there still aren't enough to corner the market. There are just too many chicas who would go for us, er I mean our wallets, if they had half a chance. Few working chicas score more than an hour or two "rental" at a time from us, let alone hit the big payoff of a jerk wiring them money from the US or worse yet marrying one of them. And those are just out of the comparatively few at the HDR/BM and assorted gringo-oriented MP's like ZB or NF. What does happen, at least in the P4P arena, is that the better looking chicas wind up at the gringo oriented places and the scummier looking chicas wind up at the scummier MP's which tico guys can afford. Sure there are exceptions and a few "diamonds in the rough" at the more obscure places but as a general rule it has some basis. Go to a strip joint with both ticos and gringos in the audience and see who gets the attention. The chicas know the ticos can only afford to look and have little money to play around. Same thing at better quality supposedly "tico" MP's like Oasis. Sure they get some business from a few wealthier ticos, but even Oasis is beyond the pocketbook of the average tico on the street. That leaves places like the Pensiones, and from what I've seen of the chicas there the ticos can have them.
Finally, of course they're banging their "women", otherwise so many wouldn't be knocked up before they're 18. Hopefully, it is very few gringos that are responsible for that. But that brings up a non-financial aspect to this debate which is as much the ticos fault as our own. Many of them make lousy mates for their chicas. They get them embarazado and then they take off on them because they can't afford to support a family. OTOH, gringos may be old and fat but at least we shower them with money by comparison and perhaps as importantly in general we treat them much nicer thanks to our strict house-training by gringas. In other words, I think we make them look bad.
Chase Star QUOTE:
"Finally, of course they're banging their "women", otherwise so many wouldn't be knocked up before they're 18. Hopefully, it is very few gringos that are responsible for that. But that brings up a non-financial aspect to this debate which is as much the ticos fault as our own. Many of them make lousy mates for their chicas. They get them embarazado and then they take off on them because they can't afford to support a family. OTOH, gringos may be old and fat but at least we shower them with money by comparison and perhaps as importantly in general we treat them much nicer thanks to our strict house-training by gringas. In other words, I think we make them look bad."
Truer words were never so spoken or in this case written.
I met a girl in Idem several years ago who spoke perfect english. She worked during the day at the INTEL plant, she had two kids. I asked her why she was working at IDEM, "because Costa Rica does not have child support laws" her tico husband ran off with a younger women, he had no job, nor is there any laws inplace to force him to support his children. She told me she was looking to hook up permanently with a gringo pensionato, which she evidenly did. I have probably fifty stories like this one. Tico men get plenty of pussy, unlike American men they aren't force to pay for it for the rest of their lives, and in some cases beyond. On one of my earlier visits I met another girl at the ARTE who aked me to marry her, basically the same story as above, but her family had money and had thrown her out when her Novio made her pregnant. She dropped out of college and was working at a casino and the Arte. I would have married her but my wife wouldn't let me.
Flacoduro1
I'm old but not fat
I heard that a bunch of Gringos pulled six of the best girls out of the Sportsmens Lodge and took them to the beach this past Sunday. I think they were all going to be down there for most of the week. If any of you guys read this let us know and give us some details. Which ever of you guys got to hook-up with Daisy ... you won the lottery. She not only has the best tits and nipples in Costa Rica, a killer face and body, but she is sweet and so very much fun and alive. I am jealous! Tell us about your adventure guys.
[QUOTE=Noguera]I heard that a bunch of Gringos pulled six of the best girls out of the Sportsmens Lodge and took them to the beach this past Sunday. I think they were all going to be down there for most of the week. If any of you guys read this let us know and give us some details. Which ever of you guys got to hook-up with Daisy ... you won the lottery. She not only has the best tits and nipples in Costa Rica, a killer face and body, but she is sweet and so very much fun and alive. I am jealous! Tell us about your adventure guys.[/QUOTE]Amen brother. She is smokin' hot. Never had her but she is high on the "hit list." Very flirtatious and bubbly. Last time I was at SL in June she was flashing those beautiful, naturals. :-) I demand a trip report. BTW, does anyone have any intel on a SL chica named Alexa?
dapanz1
leaving for san jose in 12 hours and i am looking for some info on a amp ....on my last trip i got a tip that there was a amp near the subway(sub shop) so my wingman and i go on a search for it....we think the info was good since we did find the building and we think the correct apt # ..as we rang the bell for about 10 mins but no one came down ...however we did see a few asian people walking the streets and a lady did come down as we were ringing the bell (a older tica lady) and i ask "does a asian girl live in # 6 apt" and she said yes...but didnt think she was home....so since it was my last day in town i didnt get a chance to go back again....maybe someone else has had some luck...i will be in san jose for 8 days and i enjoy the hunt....dont get me wrong...i still love the tica, nicas, and any other spanish ladies i may run in to...but those asians are my true weakness....just cant pull the trigger on that 24 hour flight !!!give me a shout if anyone is still in town or is coming in this week ....6th street will be visited a few days this week and will make the run on all the bars every nite....
I was in San Jose for just 3 nights, but thought I'd share some comments.
The girls at the BM complain that tourism is "down" now, so you should be able to get some good deals, as I did, there.
I went to the Sportsmen's Lodge for the first time. Looks like a super nice place, at least the lobby and bar are very luxurious. Maybe it was an "off night" but there were very few girls there, those who were there were "occupied" and, for my taste, even those weren't that good. I had a beer and quesadilla there (good quesadilla!) and then left. Just my own personal opinion. I will try it again at another time. By the way, the taxi ride there took me down a very dark and out of the way place, and for a moment I thought maybe the taxi driver was taking me somewhere to rob me!
I braved Club Monaco alone. I had a great experience there one time a year or two ago, before it became a strip place, where I found a super cute girl and took her upstairs for $20.
Now, I do not recommend it, at least not on a Thur. night.. I walked in, there were only 5 girls, and only one was appealing to me. I sat at the bar, I was the ONLY gringo and only one other (Tico) client was there. I had gone in to see some dancing and see if that girl I had there might still be there (fat chance). So no one danced the entire 20 min. or so I was there. Some chick with braces but older came over to me and it was one of those situations where I had zero interest in her but did not want to be rude. Finally she would not take a hint so I asked her if anyone was going to dance. She said No. I said, "Well, then, I am going to leave." She finally left and I tried to get the attention of the one I was interested in but she was playing with her phone, so I said "Screw it!" It was hard to see her over against the wall and maybe she wasn't all that great, anyway. I forget the prices to go upstairs, or for a lap dance, but they weren't all THAT great, considering the atmosphere there (dark, sleazy) and the talent (5 girls only one of which might have been above a 6 or 7). Considering that the prices for lap dances and going upstairs are not all the cheap, I think I'll write this place off my list until further notice. The least they management could have done was to have a girl dance while I was there, I might have stayed for another drink...
There are still a lot of great girls at the Blue Marlin and sometimes at Key Largo. Key Largo seems to have more and more of a reputation of having the fat, ugly chicks; though you can occassionally find a gem there.
I was at the BM one night and met this cute Dominicana (photo soon to be posted in the photos section). I had already had my fun at Zona Blue so was not all that interested in finding a chica. But I liked this one so I offered her $50, expecting her to counter with $70,we'd settle on $60 and I'd take her backto the room. But she just said "No, that's not enough" so I did not want to play the game, I just said, "Okay, maybe another night" and walked away. I've found this works. You decide what you will pay and then be willing to walk away until you find one who will accept close to your offer. That night I wasn't really all that into it so I didn't care.
So the next night I was standing next to this black girl from Limon. I wasn't interested in her and told her I was just there to have a drink, so we talked a bit. Well, then this same Dominicana from the night before came by and she was a friend of this black Tica, so they talked among themselves a moment and then the Dominicana said, "how about 2 girls tonight?" I said, "Well, maybe... How much?" and she said "$120 for the both of us." So I said, "Let's go."
I was a bit concerned since I did not know them at all, and was a bit afraid of them scamming me in some way, but I had all my important stuff put away in the safe at the Morazan so I wasn't too worried.
Went back and had a great time, they were both super cool, into it, and showed me a great time, no hurry, no hassles.
Another night I had a girl from Venezuela. I gave her $70 as I had never had a Venezuelan before and she was really seducing me at the bar, rubbing my crotch, being very seductive and flirtatious. She has great tits and sexy eyes. I forget her name, unfortunately, but she is the only blonde Venezuelan there, to my knowledge, and she said there were only 3 Venezuelans. You will see her photo in the photo section soon.
I advise avoiding this Venezuelan. As soon as we got back to the room she was all about hurrying to get me off and leave, completely the opposite of how she was in the bar. I know, this happens; but it seldom happens to me, I have learned "how to pick 'em" for the most part. She also did not like her tits sucked, no kissing, and was basically just like the pros here in the U.S - very cold, businesslike in bed - just get the job done and leave. I wanted to go around and tell every guy she talked to, how lousy she was back in the room, after that.
Had a great time at Zona Blue as usual. Pamela wasn't there and I was hoping for another hot lezbo show with her and Sharror. (sounds like "Shadow"). And when I walked to the bar, the only open seat was next to Michel, who I had had a great sexual connection with before, and she remembered me so it was going to be difficullt to not go with Michel. So I asked her if she ever went lesbian, and she said yes, sometimes. I said, "Well, who would you like to go with?" she didn't have an answer, seemed shy about it, so I said, "How about you and Sharror?" She agreed and off we went. I found out that Sharror is very shy with the men in the bar, and tends not to look or flirt with them. So if you want Sharror don't be afraid to call her over, you may have to be the aggressor.
So we went back and Michel really enjoyed both eating and being eaten by Sharror, and vice versa. Both sucked me off really good, and Michel gives perhaps the BEST b.j. I've ever had! She does something magical with her tongue that no one else has ever done to me. I did not eff either one, I just had them suck me off, but they did not want to let me CIM as Pamela did, but that's okay, it was still a great time.
The Morazan is still a great deal in my opinion. Even several of the girls pointed out that they like it better than the Del Rey or Presidente. It's quieter, they say, and more tranquilo. I find the maid service to be great there, and no chica fee for me, anyway, not the last 2 times, even with 2 girls in the room. The shower was even better this time, so for $40/night including taxes, with the Tico Times coupon, it was a great deal, and they also have safes in the rooms.
As for Fat Ricky/Ricardo the bellboy there, I made him work for his tip this time, as I did not like the first room they showed me so he had to run downstairs and change the key for me and show me another room; I then did not feel so bad about giving him a mil for his efforts.
As for the taxi thing, when leaving there, I always get my own outside, and have them use the maria. It was $13 which is at least a couple dollars cheaper than having Ricky/Ricardo get it for you.
By the way, the cost of the taxi from the airport is now $13. $1 more is not much difference considering the rising cost of gas.
All in all another great time in San Jose'! Wish I could go about every month or two, but this will be my last trip for a long time, for various reasons.
[QUOTE=Chase Star]I'd like to add a comment as one of the frequent offenders. I COMPLETELY agree that this section should keep its focus on posting photos or at worst that and comments about those photos and that other type comments should go in one of the many other more appropriate sections.
The problem is, as Johnny alluded to, that it is too easy to get sidetracked. Even if some guys take it upon themselves to admonish others there will always be some guy who forgets or newbie who doesn't know any better. And, while moving those side discussions to other sections is a not a bad idea, who is going to do it? I'm sure the admin has a lot on his plate already. A good case in point is the very post that started this latest string of commentary. It started with a post on 2-fers by a new member Dark Rum who even though it was an excellent post happened to put it in the wrong forum. Rather than police it or move it, the admin recommended it for "Reports of Distinction" (which I agree it deserves). How do you cut a piece out of a thread and move it elsewhere without also moving the commentary it spawned? I don't see any easy answers here.[/QUOTE]
I agree that it is a pain to do what I just did, which is to move the quote over to this section from the Photos section.
I am not one to enforce or become a pain in the ass about these netiquette things. It's just that obviously there have been complaints about posting threads of discussions in the Photos section, so I think we should at least TRY to not allow threads to go on there. Someone just has to take the initiative to move it over to here or another one of the discussion forums.
We can at least SUGGEST that the discussion be moved over to here...
Sax,
Thanks for the update on Bar Monaco. I was going to try it but both you and a taxi friend here are saying, No. Right now, I am enjoying the Blue Marlin atmosphere.
A more complete report on my visit, after I return on Wednesday.
Dark Rum wrote (in the photos section):
" Two-fers
Has anyone truly had success with getting 2 girls at once and have them live up to what is advertised.
My experiences with this has left me to believe that one on one is the way to go.
The Straw that broke the camels back:
Two girls in the Del Rey approached me with:
1. CIM
2. I could take pics of them doing each other.
3. One would eat out the other while I photographed.
4. One would allow me to do her anal.
5. I could take a pic hitting one from behind while she is eating her friend.
6. Promised up to atleast 2 hours if I needed
Sounds too good to be true? There's more.
7. , A no expense guarantee if not satisfied (wink) 8. The asking was 60 each but. Not really feeling in the mood and they were not the stunners that you really make this trip for. So I declined. After they would not go away. I figured it was early and that maybe this would be something different just to get the pistol warmed up for the evening. I felt that maybe I could get some value out of this.
I negotiated down to 100US total for the both of them 2 and the confirmation that I could unload twice. Sounded reasonable to me 50 each 1 load apiece
As luck would have it. IT WAS A DEAL!
Well, it was a deal up until show time.
Being tired and not really on my game because of the long flight. I fell for the payment first trick. In which I have never had a problem with in the past the few times that I have agreed to it. I found that it takes the tension out of it for most woman, because some guys can be j-asses. But of course the risk is that you have given away leverage for a bad performance.
Well, everything started off well enough with both hitting the shower. And then the typical BJ from one while the other one throws boobs in your face.
Then fvcking began. I mean me getting screwed.
To make a dissappointing story short.
There was:
No CIM
No Anal
No Girl Show to speak of.
After I unloaded on one. They both began to head to the showers.
Well I was tired, and I was willing to take less. But not that much less.
I asked about what happened to the 2nd unload and they said well I only gave them $50 apiece. Oh yeah that reminds me. They tried to snooker me on the price because I gave them 20K in colones and 10 in american. And they wanted 5 more each saying that it didn't equate to 50 american when I know damn well it was over 50. They tried to convince me that 10k colones was 18 american. I should have stopped the proceeding there.
Anyway, when they tried to shower up without me atleast getting a second unload. I objected to the point where I started walking to the phone to call the front desk (Morazon). Not sure exactly what I was going to say or what they could do. But I had to show some kind of action.
With this one of the girls returned and attempted to wake up Mr Willy with a BJ, but buy this time, I was so tired and annoyed. I just wanted them out. But just out of principle. I had her sit there for the struggle because I knew I wasnt getting back up because my spirit for the whole event was broken.
So after an unsuccessful attempt at a BJ and an even worse attempt at a HJ. I dismissed them without a word except please leave.
I do have pics of the 2 that I would like to post, but the file is too large. If anyone can give me a tip to make it smaller. I will post it for the team under the title. BEWARE. BAD Business."
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Yes, it is good to be very careful when inviting two chicas back to your room; but this didn't turn out ALL THAT bad, really.
As to your question, "Two-fers - Has anyone truly had success with getting 2 girls at once and have them live up to what is advertised?"
The answer is yes. I am an afficianado of 2-fer's and I have had several good experiences, in fact I am batting 1000 with this.
The best way is at Zona Blue or one of the other massage parlor type places. That way things are under control, the price is set, and you don't have to worry about them getting into your suitcase etc.. Just take the money you need, no more, and you don't have to worry about them stealing anything; though I have never heard of anyone at Zona Blue getting robbed, anyway.
As for getting 2fers at the Blue Marlin, I've had 4 or so there, and all have turned out very well. None were lesbians, however; I only got that at Zona Blue. But I've brought back several 2somes for 3somes to the Morazan and all have turned out very welll. In fact if you do a search you can find some photos.
The bottom line is, you never really know how ANY girl is going to react once back in the room; it's an "art" to choose girls who do what you want them to do, and sometimes even the best of us are "off our game". (See the photo section for a "Venezuelan" girl who pulled the wool over my eyes this last trip.)
If you have your stuff locked away in the room there isn't that much risk, just the colones...
By the way, of the 2fers I've had, I've paid $90-130 each session, including tips. My very best one $100.
Thanks for the reply and insight Johnny Sax. Your right...it wasn't that horrible of experience because I hedged my bet by only paying $100 for the 2.
The issue was more the changing of the stated terms and conditions...and the continued haggling for extra dollars as if I wouldn't know the exchange rate...when if you they just had done what was agreed upon, they would have been fairly rewarded over and above for there efforts.
And all this on the heels of just arriving and dealing with the voltures (cab drivers) at the airport and then....Fat Boy/Ricky Ricardo at the Morazon who feels the need to carry your soft drink up to your room so he can hang around for a tip.
I believe it is the longest walk in mongering...the walk from baggage claim/custom declaration in Costa Rica to the cab stand...After traveling for Un-teen hours...the mind and the spirit is just not ready for the onslaught...
With all that being said...I have a couple burning questions.
1. Been to Zona Blue on occasions...and each time I could hear an echo and actually play cards with the bartender if I chose. Is there ever a large volume of girls there? or Is it always picking between the 4 or 5 there who seem disinterested? I know people have had good experiences...what are the peak days and times...and is there ever the volume of girls there as there is at the New Fantasy
2. Sportmans Lounge. I have read the post of a few where they had an excellent time there. But on my visits...again...seemed like a ghost town and sporadic chicas to choose from? What gives with this place. What are the Peak hours? Is there ever more men then woman in this place?
3. I am always mystified by the lobby bar in the Morazon. It is relatively empty at night during prime time....and in the early morning hours...when the sun is coming up until breakfast...it is louder and more lively then the BM. But it always looks as if there are locals in there...people not into the trade. What gives on this place? Do I need to make a deal with Ricky Ricardo?
Any insight is appreciated.
Hola gentes. It's a great education reading this forum, greatly appreciate the comments and thoughtful insights offered here!
I've been following the hotel discussion and have a question. Suppose you've done enough time in grubby hotels that it's worth it to you to spend a little more for a nicer, cleaner place from which to enjoy your CR visit?
A place within easy reach of the action and reasonably tica friendly, but maybe a cut above scalding showers (why isn't this an instant disqualifier?) and toilet troubles. A place where you can actually sleep when you want to, maybe even w/o earplugs. A place where you maybe even have a balcony and a view, just to make it nicer when you are in the room.
What hotel might this be? Appreciate any suggestions.
LL - the problem is, places that are in the Marriott class or similar in San Jose are not located anywhere near the action. IMHO, the best place close to the action is the Sportsman's Lodge, which is actually a quite nice place, but can be a bit noisy due to wooden floors, and also lacks the amenities of a large full service hotel (such as a pool and fitness center) - but it's a nice pleasant boutique hotel with great service from the excellent staff.
And the Presidente, which is, basically, a decent 3* international class hotel, but not at the level you are seeking, apparently.
I believe that you could stay in the very upscale Marriott Los Suenos, and still frequent the bars in Jaco (which are around a 10 minute drive away) and bring back a lady from the Beatle Bar or other venue in Jaco for the night's entertainment, but it will be inconvenient - especially if you are looking for multiple short time encounters, rather than one all-nighter.
The SL and the Prez certainly can have their noise troubles due to so many hard surfaces, however if you want a more upscale room another route to consider is to stay in one of their suites. All of those hotels have some very nice rooms if you're willing to spend the bucks.
Johnny Sax asked about anyone else who tried it.
A few years ago I tried 2 girls in my hotel room at the Del Rey.
What I remember is the girls acted like nurses, every time I wanted to insert into the other girl they made a 5 minute interruption to remove the old condom, tear open a new one, roll it on, and roll it on tight. It made me lose my concentration and fun.
The same thing happened with me at HDL. I had two girls and everytime I wanted to switch from one to the other, it was a condom change. Distracting to say the least.
[QUOTE=DarkRum]Thanks for the reply and insight Johnny Sax. Your right...it wasn't that horrible of experience because I hedged my bet by only paying $100 for the 2.
The issue was more the changing of the stated terms and conditions...and the continued haggling for extra dollars as if I wouldn't know the exchange rate...when if you they just had done what was agreed upon, they would have been fairly rewarded over and above for there efforts.
And all this on the heels of just arriving and dealing with the voltures (cab drivers) at the airport and then....Fat Boy/Ricky Ricardo at the Morazon who feels the need to carry your soft drink up to your room so he can hang around for a tip.
I believe it is the longest walk in mongering...the walk from baggage claim/custom declaration in Costa Rica to the cab stand...After traveling for Un-teen hours...the mind and the spirit is just not ready for the onslaught...
With all that being said...I have a couple burning questions.
1. Been to Zona Blue on occasions...and each time I could hear an echo and actually play cards with the bartender if I chose. Is there ever a large volume of girls there? or Is it always picking between the 4 or 5 there who seem disinterested? I know people have had good experiences...what are the peak days and times...and is there ever the volume of girls there as there is at the New Fantasy
2. Sportmans Lounge. I have read the post of a few where they had an excellent time there. But on my visits...again...seemed like a ghost town and sporadic chicas to choose from? What gives with this place. What are the Peak hours? Is there ever more men then woman in this place?
3. I am always mystified by the lobby bar in the Morazon. It is relatively empty at night during prime time....and in the early morning hours...when the sun is coming up until breakfast...it is louder and more lively then the BM. But it always looks as if there are locals in there...people not into the trade. What gives on this place? Do I need to make a deal with Ricky Ricardo?
Any insight is appreciated.[/QUOTE]
1) I usually go to Zona Blue around 6-7pm just because that is when I am usually ready to go. I have heard it is better earlier than that, but I don't know. There are often only 5-6 girls there, true. But I've usually found one or two of the group who act interested and one who interests me. My wing man has trouble finding anyone there who he likes, in the short length of time he is there with me, so he isn't a big fan. I guess it depends on how picky one is; how lucky one is; and what time one goes. I have had great luck there with several girls and I like the place a lot.
2) I have only been to the SL once and I have the same impression as you. My feeling is that this place is probably best for those who stay there; that if you stay there you get to know all the girls who come in and out and you can probably connect with one that way. When I was there, there were only 5-6 girls, they were all busy with clients and I felt like I was at a private party without an invitation. I'll check it out again sometime. The food was okay and the place looks nice, but even though I am not a young guy, the place seemed too "old" for me, and not very appealing; though, again, physically it looks quite luxurious, at least in the bar and lobby areas.
3) I never pay much attention to the bar at the Morazan. I have noticed it being busy in the morning now that you mention it, but I have never noticed any chicas working in there, so I tend to just pay it little attention.
As to LL's comment about why not disqualify the Morazan due to its scalding showers? I will answer thus:
1) This time around my shower was fine, and in fact all was a-ok with my room there.
2) Even with the scalding shower, for $35/night, it's fine, when my usual routine is to go to sleep around 1am and wake up to start my day at 6-7am. All I need is a quiet place to get 5-7 hours of shuteye.
3) It's so damned convenient, it's fantastic. One block from the Del Rey and Key Largo, and no chica fees.
I'm glad people don't like it, so I can keep finding a room there. Just like people are glad that I refuse to stay at the Presidente because of their Draconian chica dress code policy. To each his own.
Hello everyone,
I'm going to be in Costa Rica in the San Jose area for a week next month and would like to know what the going rate at Zona Blue and other places like that are. I don't what to mess up the going rate by offering too much. Could someone please let me know?
Thanks,
Steve
[QUOTE=Rebad]$120.00 was a good deal and you most likely screwed yourself when you bargined down.[/QUOTE]First of all, to my pal Johnny Sax, I hate to do an "I told you so", but now you see what I meant when I spoke about "no easy answers". You can repost posts like Dark Rum's that were posted in the wrong forum to try and get the ensuing discussion moved but unless you exorcise every part of it and post referring to it from the original thread someone's going to come in late and start it all over again. Still I agree with you, at least you can try.
But back to the issues raised by the quote above. One could debate whether or not the $120 was a good deal or not, but I'd have to disagree with the rest of that reply.
First of all , does Rebad really think these gals would have provided that much better service that it would have made any real difference if he had paid them the $20 more they originally asked? These gals were hustlers and as it turns out they have hustled at least one other guy around here as well. If he had paid their asking price they probably would have been JUST as bad and he'd be out $20 more.
Second of all, a certain amount of bargaining is perfectly normal part of the whole process and any chica that has been working th BM any length of time understands this. Is rebad suggesting that guys should never bargain for risk of offending the poor sensitive girls? They're hookers for chrissakes, in this case experienced hardened hookers. They've seen alot and, despite any show to the contrary, they're not going to break if god forbid some guy isn't willing to pay the amount they're asking.
What about cien por hora? Is he suggesting one shouldn't bargain that down $20 for risk of offending some chica? I think that part of the reason the chicas ask $100 is to allow room for the normal bargaining process. That allows them to still walk away with most of what they asked for and really expected and occasionaly, when they find some sucker who doesn't understand bargaining, walk away with a real prize. They don't necessarily provide that guy any better service because of it because they see that guy as a fool who doesn't know any better and who can thus be taken advantage of even more. I'll agree that hard bargaining (like offering $20 when the chica asks for $100) or bargaining on already low rates (like trying to bargain a $40 BM chica down to $30) is unrealistic and possibly can severely impact quality of subsequent service. But if $120 for 2 was a decent deal, it apparently wasn't that great a deal or Dark Rum wouldn't have initially walked away and the 2 chicas wouldn't have continued to pursue him.
This brings me to my last point. Whether it was a good deal or a bad deal or not, it was THE deal. The chicas agreed to it and therefore they should have delivered. There are simply no excuses for that.
[QUOTE=Rebad]Pay the girls what they request after the session and you will be fine.
Dont be cheap.[/QUOTE]I understand what Rebad meant here. But one should be very careful how one reads it. Don't pay the girls "what they request after the session" or at least not what THEY initially requested back at the bar. Pay the girls what you BOTH agreed to back at the bar and, as Rebad correctly said, pay them AFTER the session. But again, be careful what you read here. You can also pay them more than you initially agreed to after the session as a form of tip IF, and I repeat IF, they delivered more than what you were expecting (it also helps to announce it in advance that a little extra may be in offing if they do a really good job). A ho-hum session, or worse a session like Dark Rum, doesn't deserve anything more than what was agreed to and if they really failed to deliver arguably deserves less. Determining a fair pro-rated amount is always going to be a problem and therefore it is a scenario that is best avoided from the outset if at all possible. Often it comes down to the victim just paying the originally agreed amount to get them to go away and feeling ripped off as a result. The chicas will also act deeply put out that you should even balk at paying them for their lackluster performance, but as soon as they're gone they'll just curse the cheap gringos while running back to the BM to find another one to pull the same stunt on. To those chicas it may seem like we're all cheap (not so cheap that they don't continue to seek us out), but in reality they bring it on themselves.
Anyone going to San Jose during this time? Traveling with a couple of buddies, planning to stay at Sportsmen Lodge. If you want to grab a brew or two, let me know.
thank you johnny sax for your reply. i was beginning to think it was my cologne.
as a true opportunist, i will continue to show diversity visiting all (or as many as worthy) the different venues. i will turn down the expectation level or turn up the rap when going to places like zona blue or sportsmens. but that is soooooooo contradictory to what we all go for. we are the prey and the target of the hunt. not the other way around in most cases. we are the hunter being captured by the game (no pun intended).
johnny, it just appears to be the del rey and key largo are the best bargains in town as far as volume, although i have gone to new fantasy a few times and the couches were lined with chica's although you may have had to fish for a good one.
if anyone else knows of a place in costa rica that provides the same relative volume, i am sure the quality will vary. please let me know.
sidebar: it's a pain in ass (no pun intended) if you're an ass man new fantasy. all the girls are always sitting down and you have to do a stinkin police line-up just to get a peek at the rump or wait for someone to walk through the doors.
and well detailed chase star. thanks for your clarity to rebad maybe some people think this is an absolute science. quite frankly, its not that i invariably got less then what i paid. it was that the agreement in principle wasn't fulfilled. and as chili mike beautifully backed me up on. these were vultures on the hunt. and being as though it was my first exposure to them. and i sensed the possibility. i took a chance with 100 being what i was willing to lose. and if that's being cheap so be it. if i would have given them 120 from the start which was there first offer. possibly they would have felt they left money on the table and the money games would have really begun. and possibly the level of service would not have changed any. its all part of the game. giving them what you want verse giving them what you want them to have. and then both parties finding satisfaction. the word loves an arm-chair quarterback.
the short of it is. you assess the situation. when you know your taking a gamble (and it always is to some extent). you determine how much you are willing to lose in the worst case scenario and the probability of that coming to pass verse how much you really want it /got to have it. and you roll the dice. the formula changes for every girl or situation.
i agree payment afterwards is key and should be practiced most always, but again it doesn't guarantee a great performance or better performance then if you paid before, during or wired it or paid more or less. it certainly can buy you some leverage, but in the end (for me) i kind of like my vacations drama free. and quibbling over something that can be as subjective as performance (even when you know its bad) isn't worth it (for me). it's a lesson learned, cut your losses, call her be*tch and go on to the next one with a renewed spirit. i have payed first only on an exception basis to maintain a certain comfort level and it continuied to keep the mood in my favor, most times if i have to worry about someone performing as they should. that's one that never see's the hotel room. it's all a calculated and fun crap shoot.
but oh the pressure will be on not to have 2 duds in a row.
ChiliMike, What's the scoop on Jaco?
I don't want to run into anymore of your Ex's who don't perform as stated like in the Del Rey. LOL
I might be there in a few weeks? I need an suggested itinerary for 3 days and the obvious most do's and don'ts. Haven't been there.
And knowing the optimium place to stay for someone in the trade would be nice too
Thanks
[QUOTE=Silent Nited]Anyone going to San Jose during this time? Traveling with a couple of buddies, planning to stay at Sportsmen Lodge. If you want to grab a brew or two, let me know.[/QUOTE]Have you got your reservation? Your problem might be that there are actually too many guys in San Jose during that time. The annual Don Gordo Birthday Bash slash CRT Anniversary Party weekend occurs every Labor Day weekend. At last count well over 100 guys had signed up for it and that doesn't even count the regular traffic of guys like you who come to CR around holiday periods and don't even know about it. Some guys just come for a quick weekend getaway. Some come for the weekend and the week leading up to it. But many will take advantage of the 4 day work week and take their vacation from 9/2-9/10.
The Hotel Presidente in San Jose is offline this weekend, Aug 26, 27.
I hope they will be up Monday.
Okay, now DarkRum, I'll have to disagree with you somewhat. And you were doing so well until you got to that part about sometimes paying up front. On that score I'll definitely have to go with Rebad.
Maybe in some locales, paying up front is the norm or what's expected. It certainly seems to be that way many times when it comes to domestic mongering in the US. However, in CR unless you're on-site at an MP or strip joint, take-out should always be paid after the deed.
OTOH, its certainly important to always pay them at the end what you agreed to pay them beforehand back at the bar if they delivered to the letter, even if not completely the spirit, of your agreement. Its when guys fail to do that that chicas beging to feel justified to ask for the money upfront. Hell, I would too if I had been stiffed before by some asshole.
But back to talking about a normal situation,. Chicas will often ask for the money upfront (it never hurts to ask), even if you clearly specified payment when complete back at the bar, but most will not be too insistent and will settle for your reassurances that payment will be forthcoming when you're done. From the monger's perspective there is little if anything to be gained by agreeing to paying beforehand. The risk that the fact she has money in hand will reduce her commitment level to perform at a service level that will truly satisfy you is much greater than the alternative risk of her worrying about payment will negatively impact service worse. The reason again being that payment at the end is generally accepted mongering principle (GAMP) and she already understands how it is supposed to be played.
As I said before, most will ask for advance payment but understand that isn't normally the way it's done and will easily accept it. Very rarely, you'll get a chica that is more insistent. In those cases, it is certainly possible that if you absolutely refuse and get her to eventually give in that the session will be negatively effected but it is just as possible that there is another reason why she is so insistent, that being that she often leaves guys feeling unsatisfied or ripped off and has had problems in collection due to her own fault. In the first case, you may be messing up what could have been a golden session by being insistent, but it ain't worth the risk. If it gets to the point you have to argue that point with her that strongly, you probably should tell her "thanks, but no thanks" because at that point the atmosphere will probably have been irretrievably poisoned whether you finally agree to pay her or she agrees to wait. In the latter case, since she was probably going to shortchange you regardless of whether you argued the point or not or ultimately gave in or not, so just consider yourself lucky that you found out before you went any further.
Ideally, you should always make it clear "pague cuando está terminado" [b]before you even leave the bar[/b]. That way you're upfront from the start and she has no basis to insist on anything else. If she tries to change the terms of the agreement before you even get started, I'd send her packing with nada. Occasionally, you forget to specify and if she's insistent on payment upfront I MIGHT show her I've got the cash to reassure or even put it on the dresser or TV and repeat "solamente cuando está terminado, okay" but thats as far as I'll ever go.
Excellent post and great advice Chase Star. If I find a hot chica that I just have to get in the sheets , but insists on prepayment, I offer her 1/2 upfront and the rest when were done. This usually works, except for the hardened Colombians who plan on ripping you off.
BTW, does anyone know how to say " I will pay you 1/2 now and the rest when were done" in Spanish?
Thanks in advance.
Devo
I speak Spanish and even though I make it clear with the chicas that I will not pay before, when they get to the room all of a sudden they forget the agreement and want money upfront. From personal experience, at that point you should just tell her forget it because you will not be getting your monies worth. They will agree so not to lose out on making some money.
"Te pago mitad del dinero antes y el otro mitad despues", is how you would say I'll pay you half before and half afterwards.
Anyone familiar with this place?
Silent nited, Sudamer is fine. I have a few feeinds who have stayed there and like the place and understand the owner is very helpful. Personally I usually stay at Vista Linda apartments.rbc100
[QUOTE=Chase Star]First of all , does Rebad really think these gals would have provided that much better service that it would have made any real difference if he had paid them the $20 more they originally asked? These gals were hustlers and as it turns out they have hustled at least one other guy around here as well. If he had paid their asking price they probably would have been JUST as bad and he'd be out $20 more.
Second of all, a certain amount of bargaining is perfectly normal part of the whole process and any chica that has been working th BM any length of time understands this. Is rebad suggesting that guys should never bargain for risk of offending the poor sensitive girls? They're hookers for chrissakes, in this case experienced hardened hookers. They've seen alot and, despite any show to the contrary, they're not going to break if god forbid some guy isn't willing to pay the amount they're asking.
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Chase,
Im OhioBob on CRT and I know my shit.
Here's the deal. we talk about the girls, the girls talk about us. If we treat them fair the word gets around and they will treat us well.
Its a 2 way street.
Don't overpay but Don't be cheap.
[QUOTE=srichm3501]Hello everyone,
I'm going to be in Costa Rica in the San Jose area for a week next month and would like to know what the going rate at Zona Blue and other places like that are. I don't what to mess up the going rate by offering too much. Could someone please let me know?
Thanks,
Steve[/QUOTE]
The going rate is whatever you can negotiate and it depends on the girl; if she's very beautiful and in demand, you won't get her for $50. If she's cute but not what EVERY guy wants, and she's not getting lots of looks and offers, you might get her for $50.
I usually never go for the hottest girl in the room. My experience is that if she's the hottest chick (or one of the hottest chicks) in the room:
1) She will most certainly want $100 or more.
2) She probably will know she can come back and easily make more money, so she's likely to want to hurry and get back.
3) She probably has an attitude that isn't conducive to having a good time
4) She probably won't put that much effort into it; she doesn't have to
Sorry to all the hot chicks out there because I realize I am generalizing here, and unfairly in some cases. I realize there are exceptions, in fact I have HAD very hot chicks who had a good attitude. But in general, I think the above applies.
On the other hand, I realize that some guys just WANT that super hot body and face and don't care so much about the personality or attitude, as I do. So do what you have to do... My approach, since I am willing to go with a 7 or 8 if I feel she has a great attitude and will offer me a better overall experience, is this:
I will offer her $50. She will either be offended, in which case I will move on; or she will counter with $80 or something. I will counter with $60. If she says no to that, and if I REALLY WANT her bad, or maybe she is a 9, I might offer $70. $70 is my top and I don't usually pay it, but if I do it will be because I've gotten a good vibe off her and feel she WILL show me a great time, no hurry, no demanding more money, no b.s...
I also differ from others in that I almost never negotiate anything about sex acts. I let the chips fall where they may. I don't really care if she will only blow me with a condom, or if she won't do anal, any of that stuff. All I care about is having a good time with her, a GFE if you will, and I find that usually happens because I've gotten to know her a bit and shown her a good time, made her laugh, or gotten her excited about sex, danced with her, or algo... And maybe it's because I speak fluent espanol, I am usually able to make a connection with a girl, and I think that is what really counts. They really appreciate it if you can speak Spanish.
So usually I negotiate nothing except the price, and then I let things unfold. I have something like a 90% success record with this approach, but I can see that it probably doesn't work for everyone. You have to have enough intuition to choose the right chica, and you have to be able to speak enough Spanish to make a connection.
Hope this helps.
[QUOTE=Chase Star]First of all, to my pal Johnny Sax, I hate to do an "I told you so", but now you see what I meant when I spoke about "no easy answers". You can repost posts like Dark Rum's that were posted in the wrong forum to try and get the ensuing discussion moved but unless you exorcise every part of it and post referring to it from the original thread someone's going to come in late and start it all over again. Still I agree with you, at least you can try.
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You're right. It has to be caught very early in the thread, then post a note:
"It is requested that this discussion continue in the Trips Report forum, where the original post has been moved to" or something like that...
However, I don't come here that often, so the chances of my catching it are slim. It may indeed be a lost cause, a losing battle, a good idea that will never work! Oh well... Maybe an occasional reminder there when we DO check in the photo forum: "Please post all non-photo related discussions in the Trips Report forum"...
[QUOTE=Rebad]Chase,
Im OhioBob on CRT and I know my shit.
Here's the deal. we talk about the girls, the girls talk about us. If we treat them fair the word gets around and they will treat us well.
Its a 2 way street.
Don't overpay but Don't be cheap.[/QUOTE]
I also operate with your stated philosophy:
"If we treat them fair the word gets around and they will treat us well. "
For me, I dont think it's so much that the word gets around about us, as it is that if you treat them right, if you approach them with some respect and dignity, instead of treating them like they're some sub-human hooker, then they will appreciate that and give you good service back, maybe more than service, maybe actual respect and dignity... Know what I mean? I think there is a kind of "Instant Karma" at work, that you get what you give out much of the time. I try to establish a connection with the girl, then just let things play out, and most of the time I end up getting a gfe or near-gfe.
[QUOTE=iamlookin]I speak Spanish and even though I make it clear with the chicas that I will not pay before, when they get to the room all of a sudden they forget the agreement and want money upfront. From personal experience, at that point you should just tell her forget it because you will not be getting your monies worth. They will agree so not to lose out on making some money.
"Te pago mitad del dinero antes y el otro mitad despues", is how you would say I'll pay you half before and half afterwards.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the great info!
Devo
[QUOTE=Johnny Sax]I also operate with your stated philosophy:
"If we treat them fair the word gets around and they will treat us well. "
For me, I dont think it's so much that the word gets around about us, as it is that if you treat them right, if you approach them with some respect and dignity, instead of treating them like they're some sub-human hooker, then they will appreciate that and give you good service back, maybe more than service, maybe actual respect and dignity... Know what I mean? I think there is a kind of "Instant Karma" at work, that you get what you give out much of the time. I try to establish a connection with the girl, then just let things play out, and most of the time I end up getting a gfe or near-gfe.[/QUOTE]
Exactly,
You are not buying a watch or DVD from a street vendor where bargining is expected.
You are paying for a small piece of someones soul. Look at it as an honor.
I often have had a girl come up and say I find you attractive and (blank) tells me your a gentleman.
The girls do talk about us trust me.
It doesn't hurt that I'm a good lover and a sexy bitc* as well.
RebadBob,
I'd agree with "Don't overpay but Don't be cheap." But what you started with was "Pay the girls what they request after the session and you will be fine. Dont be cheap." And I feared some newbie reading that, would misconstrue it to mean "Don't bargain, pay their original asking price", which I'd definitely NOT agree with. Now you're saying "You are not buying a watch or DVD from a street vendor where bargining is expected. You are paying for a small piece of someones soul. Look at it as an honor." Give me a break. Of course, we should treat them with respect as we should any fellow human being. But that doesn't mean negotiating the terms of what is basically a commercial transaction even if it is for personal services has to be demeaning. Its just being realistic. And how can you say that bargaining is not expected in this situation when it is by far more the norm than not. We all bargain, or at least most of us do, or else everyone would be paying the $100/hr that nearly all the chicas initially ask for. The real question is not whether but how we go about it.
Invariably their first asking price IS overpaying, but the chicas try for it because a) some fools will actually pay it and b) they know most guys will try to bargain them down at least a little and if they start high they'll end up at a price they were really expecting to begin with. It may seem silly. Why not just offer a fair price to begin with? Well a few do, but there is much about what these chicas do that does not make a lot of sense to our gringo sensibilities.
OTOH, there are many guys who expect to get rates that are just as ridiculous as their $100 price but in the OTHER direction. There are guys who CLAIM to pick chicas out of the HDR/BM for rates as low as $40/hr or even less. IMHO, such claims are either a) bullshit, b) for the fugly chicas that I wouldn't fuck with your dick, c) the result of extremely hard bargaining that more often than not breaks down at the bar but if a deal is struck really does result in less than enthusiastic service back at the room or d) for regulars who they've been with before and have established some sort of rapporte (which might include excessive tips that chicas have come to expect and which make the real cost of the session much closer to what everyone else is paying). To the extent such claims are true, I would have to agree with you that it is completely possible to be too cheap.
So what it comes down to is finding some happy medium from bargaining too hard and coming off as cheap or not bargaining at all which in most cases does result in overpaying in the HDR/BM. If the chica starts with a reasonable offer, maybe you won't have to bargain at all or not by much, but that won't happen that often. Another component of bargaining is setting the terms of service, exactly what acts will be performed or for how long. When cien por una hora is replaced with cien por dos, that is still bargaining. Finally, a big part of it is how you do your bargaining. If its done playfully and with a bit of a laugh on both sides, I don't think a little pre-session bargaining has to be a mood-killer.
Always paying the initial asking price will bring you a reputation, but not necessarily the type you think or would like. You'll be marked as a sucker who can easily be taken advantage of. If you want to develop a reputation that will help you out, it doesn't even have to be about money. Treat them nice when you are out with them and back at your room and you'll develop a rep that might enable you to negotiate better rates. Alternatively, if a chica is asking too much or you're unsure whether she'll be worth it. Negotiate a fair rate and offer to pay the balance as a tip if the service is good AND if it IS pay the propina. That seems a better way of guaranteeing good service than paying top dollar upfront for service of unknown quality.
One final point back on the original post that I wanted to make is that your advice might make sense in a general sense, but this discussion arose from a report of a guy who was approached by 2 hustlers for $120 and not being that interested because they weren't that hot but probably also because of monger radar countered with $100 or just $20 less. $120 may have been a fair deal if the chicas in question were more credible. A $20 reduction is by no means a huge reduction from the price that they themselves initially offered AND they agreed to it fairly readily. Finally there is the rest of the story about how badly that session turned out. Bottom line: in THIS particular case, it wasn't a bad session because he bargained them down by a relatively small amount. A bad session was undoubtedly in the cards no matter how much he paid. These were bad players and while many chicas in the HDR/BM may seem like sweeties just trying to earn a living and to a large extent most are), there are many if not most (perhaps not all quite as bad as those 2) that will con swindle an unsuspecting gringo out of a buck if they got half a chance (and its not always easy to tell which is which). And as an experienced
Cheers all,
So I'm back fairly recently from a stay in CR, at the beginnings and ends of which I tarried a few days in SJO.
I've always been a Presidente guy, walking the short two blocks to DR/KL back and forth and then taking the occasional cab or bus to the outlying POI's. But as we all know those two blocks get sketchier and sketchier; the Presidente more hoidytoidy; and the attractions of Oasis and its neighbors more tempting. So this time I'd had enough of all that... So here are my results.
I stayed at the Hotel Ambassador, a slightly worn out but very serviceable joint right opposite Pizza Hut on Paseo Colon, between C26 and C28. They are easy to book--they have a website. It's about $44/night and the rooms are pretty spacious.
It worked well. If you are serious about this business, you can spend your day, from 10 am to 7 pm, having three or four hour-long sessions at Oasis and its sister around the corner, and then during your refactory periods use the internet at Paseo Colon and C32, or eating nice cheap Colombian food at Kos across the street from the internet, or getting more colones at ScotiaBank at PC and C24, or stocking up on goods at the supermarket at CC and C26. That's to say, it's ALL there. Then when you finally stagger out of Oasis for the last time, you can have a beer and some nice Peruvian food at Machu Picchu.
What about DR/KL? Well, you were going to have to take a cab there ANYWAY given the neighborhood. And from the Amabassador, at night, when the traffic isn't so bad, you can get a cab there for about 900 col., taking only five minutes. (When you leave DR/KL, do NOT accept a cab offer from one of the scumbags hanging around--grab a guy driving THROUGH, and make sure he uses his Maria.)
I'll admit that in four days of 'work,' I only actually sprang ONCE for a DR/KL chica. But it was pretty easy. And the Ambassador was cool about it; they SAID they were charging me $10 for the guest but it never actually showed on my bill.
Btw, for Oasis and Oasis2 fans, here is a VERY quick rundown:
Original Oasis:
Gabriela, from SJ, B for service/personality, 'bout a 7.5, small, great body, no kissing. There are several Gabriela's--this one is short, black hair, tight body.
Kimberly, from Heredia, A for service/personalily, kisses, voluntary BBBJ (super skilled), bubbly personality, bout a 6.5, like sex
Leticia, my fave at Oasis1, A+ for service/personality, from Limon, nice tight body, voluntary BBBJ, lots of kissing, charming personality, likes sex
Laura, from SJ, had a cough and seemed down, attractive enough; there are several Laura's; this one has a nice face in a baleful sort of way, is slender.
Oasis2 (across from the bingo place)
Jimena, low on personality, about a 6 for me, no kissing, not very interesting but perfectly ok. This Jimena is slender, short, with a narrow face.
Cristal, this girl was oddly quiet and somewhat out of it; but she was perfectly agreeable and has a VERY beautiful face and a great bod. Fine with kissing, too. Had a tattoo 'Randy' on her upper arm.
Je'rica, a little chunky, blond curly hair, but a real live wire, LOVES sex, one of those chunky girls who looks GREAT as soon as the clothes are off. A+ for service, lots of kissing.
Gimena (she says it's spelled that way and has a "G" necklace). Somewhat chubby but very cute; from Limon, dark, braces, ADORES sex and moves like a calypso dancer, wow. Really kisses. Gets an A+.
Anyway, there you have it... I'd be very interested to compare notes on any of these sweeties...
Btw for those of you who have not been to Oasis, the bottom line is that they are ALL quality providers; and hell, for 12,000 col/hour how can you possibly go wrong.
--Sigue
[QUOTE=Chase Star]There are guys who CLAIM to pick chicas out of the HDR/BM for rates as low as $40/hr or even less. IMHO, such claims are either a) bullshit, b) for the fugly chicas that I wouldn't fuck with your dick, c) the result of extremely hard bargaining that more often than not breaks down at the bar but if a deal is struck really does result in less than enthusiastic service back at the room or d) for regulars who they've been with before and have established some sort of rapporte (which might include excessive tips that chicas have come to expect and which make the real cost of the session much closer to what everyone else is paying). To the extent such claims are true, I would have to agree with you that it is completely possible to be too cheap....
Finally, a big part of it is how you do your bargaining. If its done playfully and with a bit of a laugh on both sides, I don't think a little pre-session bargaining has to be a mood-killer.[/QUOTE]
Hey My Friend,
I don't CLAIM to have bargained virtually every chica there down to 20,000-25,000, and even sometimes 10,000. I have LIVED it, on three different trips over the past 1 1/2 years.
I've posted the photos here and none were "fugly," in my opinion, nor did it lead to bad sessions. It almost always led to fabulous ones!
A large sum of money will NOT motivate a chica to a good performance if she does not have it in her. Nor will a lower amount necessarily inhibit a quality performer who does enjoy her work!
It has often been stated on these boards that the amount paid is irrelevant to the quality of the session, and if anything, there may be an inverse proportion to price/performance.
The were only two times my price range was not acceptable: 1. With a truly perfect "ten" from Panama who knew she would snag another guy before she could even make her way to the next table, and 2. On New Year's Eve, when most chicas stayed home with their families, while those who did work were outnumbered 20-1 by the customers.
(I still hooked up with one that night for $40, but do I admit she was pretty ugly.)
You DID hit the nail on the head later in your post. Be playful but sincere. Make it fun, make it mysterious. Add value to the session in the chicas eyes, and she is likely to agree to accept your terms rather than just sit there and waste another hour earning nothing at all.
The only difference is that you are of the opinion that $40 is "too cheap," and I think it is just about right. Who is to say what is "fair" price and what isn't?
The free market system, that's who.
Only two people need to be happy in any transaction, me and my chica. So why should I pay more?
Just because a chica planted herself at the Blue Marlin, how can $40 be "too cheap" for her, while at Zona Blue it is "just right," and at Oasis it is "over-paying?"
Each man has to work his own system. I don't complain about those who, in my opinion, overpay. I just try to provide ideas and support so that the ones who do desire better prices know that it is certainly possible to achieve, while trying to help them learn how to do so.
Study this old post from this very thread for ideas on how to have tons of fun, add value and mystery to your negotiations, while giving the chicas a thrill and a challenge:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=335029&postcount=51[/url]
DB
Dodger,
You're right and I'm wrong, but I'm man enough to admit it. I shouldn't have spoken in absolutes. I still think MOST of those claims fall into those categories but I should have allowed for the possibility that they were occasionally true. Now I don't know you and my post was not addressed to you personally, but I have since reviewed a few of your posts and you seem like a cool enough guy whose ideas I tend to agree with far more than I disagree, so I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.
HOWEVER, might I suggest that your experience is not that typical, perhaps because you speak spanish better than most, have good "game", are reasonably attractive and keep yourself fit (at least compared to the many out of shape guys you see there) and/or have developed a reputation in the short time you've been there as a guy who treats his dates well. I don't know you tell me. I'll tell you that most guys do not pay that little at the BM.
BTW, you're absolutely correct about it not being all about money and those are all good examples of how such non-financial factors can enhance ones bargaining position. In fact it works both ways. In my previous list of reasons gals ask and sometimes stick to $100, I should have added sometimes because they simply don't really want to go with a guy that doesn't appeal to them unless they're especially well compensated.
As for my "too cheap" line, that was actually a reference to an earlier post in the thread that took an even more polar opposite position from yours than mine. Maybe you should comment on that. For my part, I like to try and find the middle ground and in this case maybe I granted more than I should have. The other poster spoke out against bargaining down a chica, since it "cheapens" the experience and sets the wrong tone which, according to him, leads to worse quality service. Again his words, not mine.
I think good natured bargaining down to the real market price is not going to impair service. The near universal opening offer by chicas at the BM these days is $100 but most guys in most cases can negotiate that down to $60 without too much difficulty. That seems evidence enough to me that bargaining is the norm and that, at least to that point, it doesn't hurt service. I agree with you completely that price we pay very often has very little to do with service we get (sort of like how we all pay different prices for the exact same seats on the planes coming down there). Also $60 is a helluva lot closer to $40 than it is to $100, which suggests to me that if anyone is making a ridiculous offer, it is more on the side of the chica than ours. Getting that extra $10-20 beyond that to get what is definitely below the average market rate (for the BM anyway) is much harder to do and still keep things friendly. Knowing how far you can push it before you're better off just walking away is where the real art comes in. If you do it right and with the right chica it may not come off as cheap, but with many others it does.
As for getting that $40, that was a lot easier a few years ago than it is today, given all the newbie overspenders that are finding their way to CR these days. Still I'll grant that $40 is still sometimes [i]possible[/i]. Usually it involves harder bargaining than most guys are willing to give. Sometimes its a simple matter of being willing to walk away which can either result in the chica gving in or you missing out on that opportunity. Of course, you could come back later and meet her price but that doesn't really count as "winning" the negotiation, does it? If you can get a chica down to $40 and still keep it friendly, I think thats great. I think these days with the easy money being thrown around the HDR, the "mafia"-like price setting influence of the colombianas (btw, one of the best ways to strike a better deal is to keep the terms quiet since most chicas don't want others to find out they're undercutting them) and unrealistic expectations.
So who sets the standard? Is $40 a fair price? It seems so to me expecially when you consider as you suggested that girls who work at MP's and are often just as pretty and often more attentive than Del Rey girls, get only $10-20 for their share of sessions. The problem is that it is not just a matter of what any of us is fair but what you can get. Like you said it comes down to what both sides can agree to and if either side is not happy they can and should just walk away.
Where I'll disagree with you is about not complaining about the guys who we think CLEARLY overpay. They raise chica expectations and standards for all of us. I'd much rather see more guys out there like you who arguably "under-pay" (if such a thing is possible from the consumer perspective) since you make the guys who pay $50-60 seem not so "cheap"
[QUOTE=Chase Star]Dodger, You're right and I'm wrong, but I am man enough to admit it...HOWEVER, might I suggest that your experience is not that typical, perhaps because you speak spanish better than most, have good "game", are reasonably attractive and keep yourself fit (at least compared to the many out of shape guys you see there) and/or have developed a reputation in the short time you've been there as a guy who treats his dates well. I don't know you tell me.[/QUOTE]
Hey Chase,
I appreciate your comments. You seem like a cool guy and I imagine that we would get along well.
In the meantime, we can share a dialogue here from which others may glean some ideas. And hopefully, add to the discussion.
To answer your questions: I speak basic, not fluent, Spanish. But I imagine that is better than most. Any guy who knows the way to San Jose but makes no effort to learn any Spanish is really shooting himself in the foot, wouldn't you agree?
Or is it in the mouth?
I have had chicas scream in glee when they hear me speak some Spanish. It shows respect for them and their culture when one at least attempts their language.
And by all means, become familiar with some popular Latin music, so you can point out when Daddy Yankee, Alex Ubago, or La Oreja De Van Gogh comes on. They eat that shit up!
Even better, buy some Latin music and play it back in your room during your sessions.
I am okay looking, but not nearly as in-shape as I wish. Since passing the big 5-0, I can't seem to rid myself of this spare tire. I guess I possess quite large appetites for wine, women, song, and good food.
I do make a point of establishing a reputation quickly. That is why I often surprise the chicas by walking them back INTO the club, as any gentlemen should do, not just out of it.
This way I can observe and assist them in telling the other chicas just how great I truly am.
Got game? I believe that is my real strength. Quite frankly, I have an advanced degree in Psychology, with special emphasis in sexual behavior. I suppose that gives me an advantage.
It is a matter of mind over body.
My mind, her body.
I am willing to share the knowledge that I've invested many years to gain.
It is freely available here for anyone who is not so ADHD that they refuse to read a post that goes beyond three sentences.
I know I better than to write very long notes, as most will not read them. So I will follow up with some specific ideas in a later post.
BTW, I do join you in cussing out those who overpay, but only under my breath. I find it does no good to lecture them.
They fall into one of three categories:
1. Those who don't know better, yet,
2. Those who are too insecure or foolish to try to do better, and
3. Those who are so wealthy they don't give a damn.
It is the first group of guys who crave the kind of help that is available on these boards. The others can scroll on by.
However, as for the second and third groups, I have developed a method to take advantage of their very largesse. I use them as to leverage to get lower prices for myself.
Stay tuned for the details on how to accomplish this.
DB
Chase and Dodger, I think you're both really saying the same thing. Of course, it's always possible to get a better than average deal, if you are better looking, or if you have a nicer personality and charm than the average, and you put the effort into it. I certainly don't bring better than average looks to the table, but I can generally charm and joke and cajole my way to a fair price, and I've never had a chica refuse to see me again for the same price (if not for even longer for the same price).
There are, of course, ALOT of guys who take the first $100 price and go with it. They are either lazy or ignorant of the game that is being played on them. And the more of them that there are, the more that they will push up the real price, due to simple supply and demand.
[QUOTE=Member #2041]Chase and Dodger, I think you're both really saying the same thing. Of course, it's always possible to get a better than average deal, if you are better looking, or if you have a nicer personality and charm than the average, and you put the effort into it. I certainly don't bring better than average looks to the table, but I can generally charm and joke and cajole my way to a fair price, and I've never had a chica refuse to see me again for the same price (if not for even longer for the same price).
There are, of course, ALOT of guys who take the first $100 price and go with it. They are either lazy or ignorant of the game that is being played on them. And the more of them that there are, the more that they will push up the real price, due to simple supply and demand.[/QUOTE]
I agree that being able to speak Spanish is a BIG plus, and for the most part if you want to get really good deals you had either
1) be exceptionally good looking; or
2) be able to speak Spanish so you can talk to them and establish a connection of some sort
As for prices, some guys just don't have it in them to bargain; often they just want the girl they want, and they feel if they start bargaining downward the chick might just walk off.
I think that is why many guys just accept the $100. For example, I know a guy who will bargain for what that $100 includes (i.e; kissing, not hurrying, a full hour, etc.) but will not bargain down on the amount. Go figure.
Unfortunately guys like that make it harder for the rest of us to get someone for $40-50/hour. I still manage to get this price, sometimes (at the BM or KL I mean) but it's hard to do on any kind of regular basis. Usually I have been averaging about $60. But several times I have gotten a very good chica for $50 within the past year, and I got one for $45. Again, I don't try to get that from the hottest, sexiest chick in the room; but I don't go for fatties or uglies, either. In fact earlier in the year I had 2 very cute chicks I met in the BM for $100 for the two, and there was no bargaining involved; they just offered me that price after I talked to them for awhile. I had them twice more for that price, when they gave me their phone number. I'd say the one was a "7" (a little pudgy but young enough to call it baby fat (19); and the other was an "8" and VERY cute. Both were a lot of fun and were very relaxed and fun to be with. One had a cold the 1st time I met them and I offered her some medicine from my medicine bag. I told her to go find some herbal tea and to take plenty of vitamin c. She and her friend really appreciated that I cared, and tried to help.
For me, I think my #1 advantage is speaking fluent espanol. In fact, many girls have told me how much they appreciate my speaking fluent spanish; it makes it more fun for them.
My 2nd advantage is that I treat the chicas very nice, and like to make sure THEY have a fun time, too. And most of them like they way I make love to them. (;
I'm not bragging, I'm just reporting; because I think anyone can get these deals if they just follow this philosophy and speak some Spanish.
[QUOTE=Dodger Bulldog]BTW, I do join you in cussing out those who overpay, but only under my breath. I find it does no good to lecture them....
I have developed a method to take advantage of their very largesse. I use them as to leverage to get lower prices for myself. [/QUOTE]
Okay, here is the tip I promised.
While I'm negotiating price, in addition to describing the spread of goodies in my room that can be "earned" for great service (see [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=335029&postcount=51[/url] ),
I also let the chica know that if I am extremely pleased, I will be happy to sing her praises when we return to the club.
I expect her to tell the other girls how wonderful it is to leave with me, while she shows off the makeup kit, perfume sampler, Hershey bars, and coloring book that I tucked under her arms as a door prize.
Of course, this helps my bargaining position with the other chicas for my future sessions.
In return I am happy to give her a killer recommendation to any monger she is trying to seduce.
It is all perfectly legit, as I only give my kiss of approval for the chicas who I feel truly deserve it.
When they are in conversation with a potential date I let the girls know that they can wave me over anytime to give my opinion to the guy on how good she was for me.
I will even allow the chicas to point out a gringo who they think is loaded or they find attractive. I then go up and "break the ice" with him to introduce her, while offering my unsolicited recommendation.
For the chicas who can get their minds around economics (some can, some can't), they will be able to see how an hour with me for $40 can quickly be turned into an easy $240 or $340 for the night.
I am happy to keep my favorites busy where they really make their money, in the bedrooms, instead of wasting their time where they just lose it, sitting on their ass in the bar.
It becomes a very symbiotic reationship: good for them, good for me.
Buena suerte,
DB
[QUOTE=Dodger Bulldog]Okay, here is the tip I promised.
While I'm negotiating price, in addition to describing the spread of goodies in my room that can be "earned" for great service (see [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=335029&postcount=51[/url] ),
I also let the chica know that if I am extremely pleased, I will be happy to sing her praises when we return to the club.
I expect her to tell the other girls how wonderful it is to leave with me, while she shows off the makeup kit, perfume sampler, Hershey bars, and coloring book that I tucked under her arms as a door prize.
Of course, this helps my bargaining position with the other chicas for my future sessions.
In return I am happy to give her a killer recommendation to any monger she is trying to seduce.
It is all perfectly legit, as I only give my kiss of approval for the chicas who I feel truly deserve it.
When they are in conversation with a potential date I let the girls know that they can wave me over anytime to give my opinion to the guy on how good she was for me.
I will even allow the chicas point out a gringo who they think is loaded or they find attractive. I then go up and "break the ice" with him to introduce her, while offering my unsolicited recommendation.
For the chicas who can get their minds around economics (some can, some can't), they will be able to see how an hour with me for $40 can quickly be turned into an easy $240 or $340 for the night.
I am happy to keep my favorites busy where they really make their money, in the bedrooms, instead of wasting their time where they just lose it, sitting on their ass in the bar.
It becomes a very symbiotic reationship: good for them, good for me.
Buena suerte,
DB[/QUOTE]
I like your style! You scratch my back, I scratch your's. Or in this case, "You suck my c**k, I help you find another c**k to suck"... or something...
I may have to try this on a couple chicks next time...
First timer here in SJ, and the chicas are unbelieveable. We got in on Wednesday, went straight from the airport to Kryssis. OK, place, but girls werent very pretty, and it was still early. Checked into Sportsmen Lodge, not much at the bar, so we headed out to Del Rey. Never in my wildest dreams could I have imagined all the good looking girls. After 3 days here:
Day #1 - Cheri at Kryssis, Carla, Jackie, and two others at Del Rey, but so many names cant remember them all.
Day #2 - Five chicas, Kathi, Carla, Monica, prices from $50 - $80
Day #3 - Two chicas, Kathi and Alicia from Del Rey
I have one more full day here before I leave on Sunday.
i too enjoyed idem. i went there twice. the first time i went there with a group of four other mongers from the sportsman. i did not partake the first visit because i had a secession earlier in the evening and i was to pooped to pop. but i saw several girls that were very pretty, one blond very white complicated girl that i just had to return to find on my last evening in costa rica. the girl was nineteen years old and i must say gave one of the best blow jobs i have ever had (cim). cost at the idem is $42.00 but drinks are expensive there. i had one beer and bought the girl a drink. the tab was $12.00.
my favorite place in costa rica was the oasis. where a session is 12000 colon or $24.00 and they had some stone foxes there. i took two very pretty and young girls with girl/girl show for 32000 colon or $64.00. zone blue and new fantasy was just down the hill from the sportsman’s lodge where i stayed. the advantage of the idem and zone blue is there is a bar to have a drink and take your time in selection.
i liked costa rica, and would go back. i prefer the dominican republic because i like to spend tota nocha (all night) with the girl. i perfect day for me at blackbeard’s [url]http://www.blackbeardsadultresort.com/index.html[/url] is to meet a pretty girl about 4:00 pm have a drink or two then have a secession (round 1), then take her to dinner about 7:00 pm. have a nice dinner and drinks about 10:00 go back to the room for round 2, then wake up about 8am for round 3, pay the nice girl 2500 pecos ($70.00 us) and buy her breakfast. this is repeated until i find a girl i want to spend a week or two with.
if you prefer long time and like darker complicated girls the dominican republic is for you. the dominican republic has girls with light to very dark skins. haitian girls are very black and there seem to be more haitians these days. i actually prefer somewhere in between, an island girl mocha is perfect for me. but personality and skills are more important to me than skin color.
if you prefer to do short time and prefer whiter girls then you may well prefer costa rica. prostitution is legal in both countries. it may come down to where you can book the best airfare and resort deal.
[QUOTE=Love Seeker]If you prefer long time and like darker complicated girls the Dominican Republic is for you. [/QUOTE]
As for me, when I get away to monger I prefer the simple girls.
The complicated ones, who come from the darkside, remind me WAY too much of my ex-wives!
DB
Has anyone come across the cutest little spinner named Ivania, at the Sportsmens Lodge? She is very short, incredible spinner body, really cute and kind of shy. She loves to wear those super low-slung, "Munchkinland" hip-hugger jeans that totally show off her sexy tight little tummy, with a jean jacket over her small chest. She is a bit shy, but if you speak Spanish then her really fun and cute personality comes out. She is absolutely a tiger in bed and one of the best encounters I have ever had.
I met her a couple of weeks ago in the Sportsmens. She was sitting with a couple of girlfriends in the main salon area of the Sportsmens, on a couch near the bar, on the north side. Have any of you guys been with this total little hottie? Does anyone know how to contact her? Cell? e-mail?
Guys,
Another tip on how to negotiate. Or more accurately, not to negotiate.
I expect that some won't believe me, and some will slam me for this approach.
1. Take a chica back to you room before ever discussing price.
2. Have great sex. It helps if the chica cums, so it is a good idea to use a Pocket Rocket on her.
3. Hand her 20,000 colones in small bills, all wadded up, while making a big deal out of the 5000 colones that is in addition for her tip and taxi fare.
I've tried this three times in CR, and it worked every time. They never even looked to count the money.
One chica returned for a repeat performance when I called her a few days later, so I think she was a happy camper.
I also have a three-step fall back position that I have used in other countries, but have not needed yet in CR:
1. If she asks for payment up front tell her that you will pay her after the session because other chicas have ripped you off, which is what you should do every time anyway.
2. If she pushes the issue once in the room, tell her you always pay 20,000. Maybe let her negotiate you up to 25,000 or 30,000 or whatever you set in advance as your limit.
3. If that is not good enough, tell her "lo siento" and show her the door. Her price is almost certain to drop drastically, since she is already invested in this deal.
But still, always pay afterwards, just in case she sours and decides to give poor service.
If you don't reach an agreement this way, walk back to the club with her and immediately walk out with a replacement right in front of her eyes.
I wish I had the balls to do it this way everytime.
DB
P.S. I wish more guys would post their negotiation strategies, so that we can all learn from each other. Thanks!
bulldog, if you are trying this on d.r or key largo girls ...i dont think i could even get them out the door....do to the fact after the 10 second greet you give them..as they say" how you doing baby" "whats your name" or the one i love" you on vacation baby"...the next 2 lines they have is "where you staying" i feel this is part of negotation process that really starts , you can almost see the girl mind start to work ...as she thinks morazan hotel 3 min walk ....maybe 5 min bj ..he looks like he might cum soon..maybe i get in out of there under a hour....then as aways the price is made right there ..yes i have had a few say you pay what you think after we are done...never would i go into a bussiness deal that way...just to many problems that could come from it...but to pull a girl out of the dr on a nite when its busy and try to give her 20,000 expect trouble...maybe this could work from 7:00 am to 12:00 or 2:00pm in the afternoon...but my guess after one blow up ...i would go back to agreeing on the price before ever getting to the room.....i have taken a few out of the bm for 40.00 but it was only when the girl had no other choices or i felt was in the need for money....but it was not easy getting them down to that price...i had to work on it....i would like to hear about what has happen to you when they found out you are only offering 20,000 and it gets ulgy....
Hey guys!
I live in Buenos Aires and don't visit this board much, although when I lived in Florida I used to visit Costa Rica quite frequently.
I have been following this thread, and I thought perhaps some of you might be interested in my observations about hookers and Latin women in general.
For one thing I think the guy who doesn't talk about price first is way off base. Why take a chance on an unpleasent confrontation when it is so easy to avoid?
The thing you really should remember is that women in general, and particularly Latin women, don't respect men who are not "in charge". If they can push you around in the bar or club you have lost the edge and will NOT get it back.
DO NOT "NEGOTIATE"! Tell her what you will give her, and stick to that! Tell her, if you must, that you think she is beautiful/sexy/whatever but this is what you pay and no more! Be prepared to not make a deal, although quite frequently, even if she does walk away, she will come back after a little and accept, and when she does you are "in the drivers seat!"
Another thing you really should know is that if a girl doesn't want to fuck you she will often quote a high price to discourage you. Accepting this price not only shows you are a wimp, but since she didn't want to fuck you to begin with, your chances of having a good session are not good!
Don't think because you are over 40 (or 50 or 60) that that is a discouragment. Latin culture allows for young women to be with much older men - it can even be a status symbol if you aren't to shabby and/or drunk - sort of a "Look at my cool boyfriend" thing.
Be polite, but BE IN CHARGE! You will realize in short order that this is good advice.
And last (but certainly not least) the advice to learn at least some Spanish is absolutely on the mark. At least learn how to say things like "What's your name", "you are very pretty", "please and "thank you".
Any spanish will win you points, and the more you learn the better time you will have - I promise!
David
Hey Guys, thanks to both of you for adding to the discussion!
Wish I was back in Bs. As. with you Capt Dave. Give my best to Dickhead.
The Capt extolls a lot of wisdom with his points on age, language, and being in charge of the stuation. Very well said!
Quite frankly, ChiliMike, if you walk into a club feeling the way you describe, the chicas have got you where they want you before the game begins.
The bottom line is that there are MANY ways to accomplish ones goals. No one has to play that "Hardened Professional" game that chicas invented. If you do, you lose.
They are just people, lovely people, and they like to have fun as much as we do.
I don't go into a club to pick out who I want to fuck. I go in to make a friend and have some fun. Once I figure out which appealing chica feels the same, then that is the one I will hook up with.
I mean, there is no shortage of them, right?
Let me put it another way: I learned that it is a waste of my time to go into a club looking for who I want to fuck. Instead, I am looking for someone (who appeals to me) who wants to FUCK ME!
Having lived for a year in a Latin country, I learned to set aside the "nice little white boy ways" that mommy taught me. Sure, she wanted a son who wouldn't give her any problems. It made her life easy.
But the chicas find that boring. As do all hot women everywhere.
So I learned to direct the chicas as to exactly what I expect from them. And just as the Capt said, that earns their respect, and more times than not their admiration.
After all, this is not America. You are not going to be sued or arrested for the way you approach a chica.
Oh, BTW, the three chicas I mentioned in my previous post were all taken out from the Del Rey. None complained, or even mentioned anything about the price. And the one I called to see me later in the week was very EAGER to do so.
The Capt can tell you that it is not because I am good looking, as in fact, I am both over 50 and overweight.
Rather, it is because we had fun!
I do know how to make life fun, interesting, and challenging for a chica. And that can lead to a great time for both of us.
For those who feel you have to pay what the chicas ask, only to walk away feeling taken advantage of because she rushed you and shorted you on service, I just want you to know that there are many other ways to do things. Find a method that suits you, and give it a try.
Oh, and the only two truly ugly times I have had occurred in Bs. As. when I was brand new to the game and I paid full price, in advance. Once to a chica from Black, and the other to one from Newport. Man, did I ever learn a lot from those two disasters!
I learned to always have fun, and when around the chicas, always be the man.
DB
There seems to be a lot of different philosophies on this subject. Who's to say who's right. I guess what it really comes down to is whatever seems to work for you just bearing in mind that the other guy's approach might have some merit too and what each of us do can have some indirect blowback on the rest of us and how we are perceived.
Dark Rum learned the consequences of inadequate pre-negotiating or at least the consequences of giving into the urgings of your little head. I'm sure he normally does better.
Rebad seems to think it is bad idea to negotiate down "[Dark Rum] screwed yourself when you bargined down. Pay the girls what they request after the session and you will be fine. Dont be cheap.... You are paying for a small piece of someones soul. Look at it as an honor.
Dodger Bulldog has some different and interesting ideas on negotiating. The first is to stick close to the $40 lower but negotiate the finer points like "Let's Make A Deal" including trinkets and the promise to promote each other afterwards. Alternatively, he suggests not negotiating AT ALL but springing his low (in HDR/BM market terms) rate on the girl after the session. I have to wonder if that really always ends as magically as he says. If so I think he's been EXTREMELY lucky and at the very least shouldn't rely on those chicas for too many positive reviews among their amigas.
And now Capt. Dave comes along with yet another approach (and many valid points about latin women) that like Rebad also calls for not negotiating BUT in his case doesn't negotiate UP.
I'm sorry, these approaches may work for these guys and if it does I say more power to them (well accept for any guy that doesn't believe in bargaining and automatically pays the chicas' cien por hora opening price), however I take what I think is a more neutral path.
Rebad, yes these women are people deserving of respect as fellow human beings, but their pussies aren't something made of gold to bow down to. They are in a tough business and far more often than not they have to be crafty or become that way to get ahead. That means like most people they'll try to get as much as they can for the least effort. More often than not they'll start with a high price just to see if they can get it. Sometimes, like Capt. said they ask a high price just because they really don't want to be with you. If you can't get them down quickly from that high initial price you're, again more often than not, better off just passing on the opportunity. Sometimes they'll start with what appears to be a more reasonable price and sometimes thats just what it seems, a good deal, but one need to be even more vigilant in cases like that about the devil being in the details, which means even more careful negotiating on non-price points.
If Dodger really regularly gets chicas down as low as he claims, he's a better man than I, but he really lost me on that last tactic about not talking price beforehand. First of all, there aren't too many chicas you can even get out of the HDR/BM who won't bring up price first themselves (like Chili said, right along with all the other calculating questions, where you stay, etc. etc.). If you can get them out without mentioning price it is more likely because they have a price in mind themselves that they intend to spring on you and when things finally come out in the open later it can make for a VERY "bad scene".
Finally, Capt., I really liked a lot of what you said and have found much the same thing myself. You should be kind and considerate with women from any culture, but some mongers have elevated that to a mantra and take it too far. That is what our own culture and gringas have done to us. That is not the way it works in the latin culture. A good hybrid is to combine the kindness of western culture with the firmness of the latino one. These girls often act like little children, often they aren't much older than that. They need to be treated with a firm hand. I'm sorry if that sounds paternalistic, but I think that is the way the sexes realte in the latin culture. If it makes regarding them as little children sound any better, they regard us as horney dogs.
Where I part company with Capt. is that I don't think a LITTLE flexibility on the Gringo's part makes him look weak. As ridiculous as the little dance may seem sometimes, bargaining is the way things are done at places like the HDR/BM/KL with EACH side opening with more or less, as the case may be, than they expect the other side to accept. Sure it would be simpler if there were a more or less standard rate that everyone paid adjusted up or down a little bit depending on the quality of the provider (eg 10's could ask $10 more, 5's $10 less). Unfortunately it doesn't work that way.
The key is to have a reasonable price in mind beforehand of what you're prepared to pay. We all know the standard OPENING rate of $100 which unfortunately some guys pay. To a much lesser extent there is a "standard rate" or "sweet spot" which I [i]think[/i] most FINAL agreements fall into, something in the $50-$70 range. One needs to know the real market ratebecause that is the rate she is most likely to forego (or mistakenly thinks she is going to forego) if she goes with you rather than waiting a few minutes more for the next guy and therefore becomes a good basis for your own target rate. Obviously this rate has to be adjusted by such factors as the time of day, how crowded the bar is, how hot looking she is, what sort of rapporte you and her have, your respective reps (if any) and how much action she seems to be getting.
When the chica opens with her ridiculously high price, I counter with a price lower than my target. That's my way of saying if you want to be ridiculous I can be ridiculous too. Typically she then counters with a price that is radically lower than her opening but still too high and I re-counter with my final offer. She can then either just walk away or walk away with me and the feeling she won a little something extra from me WITHOUT feeling like she was able to walk all over me. That's it. Not a lot of negotiating, just 2 prices on either side. Beyond that you might want to clarify some of the details of the encounter, but all of this should be done in the spirit of good fun (like "we both know each others game even though we won't say it"). She knows my first price was not what I was expecting any more than her opening price was seriously expected by her. Again the key is to not start so low that you have to bargain up by an amount that really does make you look weak or so high that it leaves you no room to give an inch and most importantly to stick firm to your limit (real intended price) if not your opening price or you really will look like a schmuck.
Guys,
I certainly did not mean to leave the impression that I get away with avoiding talk of price every time. Hardly. I'm certainly not that good at the game. I specifically stated that I wished I had the guts to try it more often.
In these cases in CR and a few times in Argentina, I could tell the chica was totally into me. I had her eating out of the palm of my hand before I had the balls to try pulling this one off.
I guess it would really blow your minds if I explained how I got a 23 year old chica in Guatemala to fuck me for free four times over the course of a week after she knew that had I stolen her cell phone from her in the club. All in good fun, of course.
She loved to punch me in the arm and tell me I could never borrow her cell phone ever again. When they hit you it tells you that you are really making progress! She still emails me twice a week and asks me when I'm coimng back.
But I'm not cheap, either. After our last night I gave her a enough to return to her country and see her family, along with a boxful of presents for herself and her baby who she had not seen in eight months. Talk about building loyalty.
The only limits on us are what we place on ourselves. If you can't imagine it happening, it won't. If you can imagine it, sometimes it just might.
ANYTHING might be accomplished with chicas when you can control the inner game inside your mind, and pay attention to the signals they are sending your way.
And I keep repeating that I am nobody special, I just learned to approach them with attitude.
Any approach can be successful if you play it right. It works well for Capt Dave to compliment a chica's looks, so if that fits your personality, you should give it a try. But that is something I gave up doing a long time ago.
Instead, I'll tell her she's not my type at all. I don't do blondes (or brunettes), her tits are too big (or too little), her ass is too round (or too flat). Instead of fawning all over her looks, I'll pick them apart.
I'll tell her that I think of her as one of the guys.
Then I'll tell her (not ask her) that she needs to go around the club with me to help me find a chica who looks hot enough to be able to handle me. I might suggest that we try to find me a gringa, since I've heard Latinas are ice cold in bed.
But all the while I have a glint in my eyes and a tone in my voice that lets her know I am not at all serious, I'm just playing a game with her.
In the meantime, I am pulling her close to me by the hair on the nape of her neck, or giving her a massage on her back and shoulders.
It is all about having fun guys. How much can you make her laugh? Just keep teasing them and busting on them and doing what they least expect while making sure they are having tons of fun.
If you want to be treated different than every other gringo in the place, then it only makes sense that you need to act different and really be different, right?
DB
sorry, i lied earlier. i just remembered another truly horrible experience that i had, this time with a chica from our very own beloved del rey.
i had been eyeing her all week since she looked just like my ex-wife's sister, who i always wanted to fuck in the worst way.
so i thought with my little head and paid no attention to any of the signs and didn't bother to win her over with my personality. i barely negotiated, quickly agreeing to pay 40,000 colones because i just had to have this babe the night before i was leaving.
she scraped me with her teeth and pummelled my balls, thinking that if she did the deed in a vigorous manner it would surely make me cum quickly. all she did was cause me intense pain.
she wouldn't accept any coaching to slow down and be gentle.
after only fifteen minutes i threw her ass out. then she had the nerve to steal a bottle of perfume from me while heading out the door. what a nightmare.
where did i go wrong?
db
So here is what I've found about Del Ray, Key LArgo, etc. I've been there a bunch, usually have a few beers in the DR or KL then move on. I have pulled a few from both, usually late at night. I always look for some rapport from the chica to avoid the tough ones, and hopefully get a better deal. I usually only get tln, not an hour, and never pay more that cien.
If a chica comes up and immediately goes into the standard 5 questions,
"What's your name?"
"Where are you from?"
"Vacation?"
"Where is your hotel?"
"You want massaggee?"
I always pass. Like someone else said below, I am looking for someone that wants to be with me, too. If the chica wants to talk a little about whatever, that helps. I speak intermediate spanish, nowhere near fluent but can talk about lots of things, know spanish grammar so I can talk in a decent manner. I ask her some questions and see how it goes. If she is flirting with me and laughing at my jokes, etc. that is a good sign. If she is in a hurry to move on, bad.
I will get her a drink, sometimes I've spent an hour or so with a chica, just talking, playing games at the bar. It can be fun, and you can build on her interest in you, too. She will usually ask for a lot for the night, $300 or so. I counter with $100 and start pulling back just a little. They will drop the price in a hurry or move on.
The key for me has been speaking spanish and treating the chicas graciously, like we are out on a date. Once I get them back to the room, I've had some devilshly great sexo with the properly selected chica.
Last time I was there, I met a cutie in this fashion, she spent the night, and talked my friggin ear off. I think that when she came across a gringo that she could talk to all night, she just let it loose. She told me about some of her regulars, going out to dinner, etc. with "difficult" to no conversation because the gringo didn't speak any spanish.
I can't imagine spending several hours with someone that I couldn't converse with. I really feel that knowing spanish has improved my times in many places in latin america, not just mongering but the whole enchilada. It's not hard, just take a class at a locale jc or find a tutor on Craig's List or some other resource. I've had some pretty cute tutors, too, that helps keep me interested.
[QUOTE=Mojokpr]
Last time I was there, I met a cutie in this fashion, she spent the night, and talked my friggin ear off. I think that when she came across a gringo that she could talk to all night, she just let it loose. She told me about some of her regulars, going out to dinner, etc. with "difficult" to no conversation because the gringo didn't speak any spanish.
I can't imagine spending several hours with someone that I couldn't converse with. I really feel that knowing spanish has improved my times in many places in latin america, not just mongering but the whole enchilada. It's not hard, just take a class at a locale jc or find a tutor on Craig's List or some other resource. I've had some pretty cute tutors, too, that helps keep me interested.[/QUOTE]
This is another thing a lot of guys need to understand. We have been so acustomed to having to "court" someone that going to dinner/a movie/whatever becomes part of the ritual. This is then complicated by the idea that because you have "taken her out", she should charge you less (or even nothing) to screw you.
The fact is, for most of these girls, going to dinner is LOTS more work then just screwing you, which they can do while they are thinking about what they are going to fix their kids for dinner tomorrow. To go out with you means they have to dress up, try to make conversation (remember these are girls you wouldn't really have much to talk about with or say to if you COULD speak spanish), and then have to deal with the idea that this guy thinks they should give him a discount for all this!
Go to dinner with your friends,and save the girls for doing what they do best!
My 2 cents....
David
I'll add a few other points. First, Mojo comments about spending time with the chica at the bar and establishing rapporte AND weeding out all the chicas that seem to be in a rush is a key one. One way I like to do this is to invite them to go with me to KL for a little dancing. I find this is better and cheaper than seeing how many drinks I can buy them. Although, seeing how quickly they down the drinks I do buy is another measure of rushiness, I also don't want them to get too lit up before we go back to the room. If they're in a really big rush to seal the deal and get back to my room, I figure they'll be in an equally big rush to finish up there and get back to the BM to find their next sucker. So spend some time to find a girl that's not in a rush. Some girls are looking for quick and frequent turnover but many others are just looking for one score per evening. It may be for one hour or it might run over but the main thing for them is that they hit their mark for the night.
Some other things came to mind with the last 2 posts. I agree that these girls aren't super intellectuals and that even if you speak good spanish the conversations won't be deep. For that reason, I agree with Capt. and don't normally go on that type of date with the chicas. But I understand why some guys do. Its all part of creating that GFFE atmosphere. I just think if you're going to do that sort of thing there are good and bad ways to go about it.
As far as it being work because she has to think up things to say and dress up, if there are awkward silences due to a lack of common language I suppose that would be work. There are a couple of ways around the language problem. The first is sort of cheating but is to go on a double date with one her amigas and one of your buddies. That way if the conversation lags you each have a fallback. Also one or both of those other people may be able to translate if your spanish falters. The other way is to just learn the damn language. The conversation may not be deep, but you'd be surprised how much you can joke around and keep the conversation going with even limited spanish and a lot of hand gestures. Plus if nothing else it gives you an opportunity to do something worthwhile other than screw. Namely to practice your spanish so you get better.
As for the dress up part, that may be true if you take them to a fancy restuarant but you don't have to take them to someplace that fancy. In fact, I think you shouldn't. I think its a waste to take them to any place really fancy. First of all, they don't normally go to such restaurants because it is well beyond their normal social mileau and as such they usually don't know how to carry themselves in such situations which does make it a tiring challenge for them. Secondly, most of them would rather have the money than the fancy meal, but as long as you're buying some take full advantage of the situation by buying the most expensive thing on the menu for no other reason than to maximize what you spend on them (such as the shrimp cocktail, which I've found usually sucks in CR). IMHO, if they do that its as telling of where that chicas head is at as any interview question you might ask.
So bottom line here is if you have to take them out, take them to an unpretentious tico restaurant or better yet ask them to take you to their favorite local place. The type of place they take you could be very telling (whether they're out to soak you or are just interested in sharing with you a regular part of their lives). This way you might also discover some hidden little gem off the normal tourist trail. Yet another idea, offer to pick up some groceries with them if they'll cook a tico meal for you. First of all, by becoming part of their civilian life it personalizes you more making the relationship more BFE-GFE for both of you. Just going to a grocery store in a foreign country is an enlightening expereince, but with this you help feed their family for about the same or less as it would have cost you to buy her a fancy meal she did not fully appreciate, plus you'd get to meet her family and see how regular ticos live which would also be a worthwhile educational experience. Just ask her how good a cook she is first or you might be better off if her momma cooks instead.
Fellows
THinking of going to San Jose around Thanksgiving. Is that an ok time to go?
Holidays there?
Also, looks like it will be a fun time...
I have RTFF, so i think I am armed.
But a couple of questions...
An recommendations on a Good 4 - 5 star hotel in downtown? Close to action?
walking distance?
Also, I do not know Spanish at all...how bad would it be?
I would like to maybe hook up with a chica who can also be my guide for sight seeing etc..
let me know your thoughts..
Stay at the Presidente or at the Sportsman Lounge, do not stay at the Del rey
Always take a cab at night, even if it is 2 blocks away
Do not get hammered anywhere, you will become a target to crime.
Do not pay $ 100 S/T, more like 50..
remember when can you tell when a Del rey girl is lying???
Answer: When her lips are moving.....
[QUOTE=Chacha]Fellows
THinking of going to San Jose around Thanksgiving. Is that an ok time to go?
Holidays there?
Also, looks like it will be a fun time...
I have RTFF, so i think I am armed.
But a couple of questions...
An recommendations on a Good 4 - 5 star hotel in downtown? Close to action?
walking distance?
Also, I do not know Spanish at all...how bad would it be?
I would like to maybe hook up with a chica who can also be my guide for sight seeing etc..
let me know your thoughts..[/QUOTE]Chacha,
1) Duh, Thanksgiving is a US holiday. Remember, the Mayflower, pilgrims landing at plymouth rock etc. The only holidays that really effect mongering in CR to any degreee are Christmas and Easter, when many chicas leave SJ to spend more time with their families. During the rest of the year, any time is a good time to go. You'll get better weather during the dry season, but fewer crowds and lower prices during the rainy season. Its your choice.
2) For hotels, did you really RTFF? This has been thoroughly covered. MJG mentioned 2 of the more popular places amongst our crowd.
3) Lots of guys go not knowing any spanish at all and manage to get by. Many chicas know fairly decent english and of those that don't (at least at the BM) most know enough "bar-girl english" for you to work out a deal. That said, knowing even a little spanish will enhance your trip tremendously. Beyond the obvious advantage of being to converse even if only a little deeper with a wider selection of chicas, theres the advantage that showing you're making an effort to meet them part way and practice their culture will have on their attitudes towards you. Make the effort between know and your trip to at least pick up a few more phrases.
4) Hooking up with a chica guide? Be careful. One thing that tempts a lot of newbies is to arrange for an escort before they go. Don't do it. You'll overpay. You won't really know with any certainty what you're getting until its too late. And, even if you do get an accurate preview, you won't know about your real compatibility until its too late. A lot of those problems also carryover to finding a guide after you're there. Take your time deciding. A chica that seems compatible after an hour session back at your room may drive you crazy stuck driving around with her all day. Little issues that are non-issues for a s/t session become important during a multiday date (e.g. will she be calling to check on her kids every 5 minutes). While a female companion is nice on day trips from SJ, they're not really necessary. Traveling outside the central valley, you'd be surprised how little some of the ticas know about their country and forget about the nicas, colombianas, etc. In such situations, more often the chica serves as just a portable sex companion than a real guide.
BTW, has anyone been with GFEShirley recently? She was the former MP girl who bought an SUV and went into the escort cum field guide business a while back. She may be the exception to the above rule about pre-booking. Do a search.
Another terrible holiday in Latin America in general, and Costa Rica in particular: New Years Eve and Day.
In the U.S. it is the biggest party of the year, of course, but in CR it is a time to spend with ones family. Some restaurants and businesses will even close down from December 30th - January 2.
I remember New Year's Eve at the BM, and the ratio was about 20 gringos for every chica. It was really quite depressing.
DB
Had tremendous service from a Nica at Musas, 11,000. No documentation. Short cute face not a spinner.
Also Zona Blue is rocking. Had a double with Cyndi & Lisa. Cyndi was really good , Lisa so-so.
Brenda and Pamela are very special girls.
Picked a couple of college girls from Limon at Blue Marlin. Paid $100 for total noche. Tried one night and one the next. Both lacked experience, but tight.
hello to all,
i am reporting on my first time visit to san jose. i'm not really a regular monger. i have had some experience in boy's town in nuevo laredo and in the u.s.
i went there as part of of a well known introduction agency group. we were staying at sleep inn close to the infamous hotel del ray. i had read all the reports before and i knew more or less what to expect. i had arrived in town on wed. the 4th. i wanted to do a little mongering but only at the mp's but i just had to see what the del ray was all about. i walked the short distance, went in to the blue marlin bar and there were all the obligatory putas mentioned before. very attractive were most and i conversed with a couple of them. i told them after speaking to them for awhile "estoy solo mirando" or "no tengo dinero" and off they go to find some other. i knew how much they would ask for so i didn't ask them. it would be easy to spend mucho dinero with them but that's not what primarily i was here for and besides, i'm too cheap for that...lol.
walked over across the street to key largo. it was 10 o'clock. i liked it better here. quickly i was approached by an attractive brown skinned latina. we danced for awhile to a song that i thought would never end. i sat down and another one jammed herself between my legs. again we talked and again i never brought up the idea of taking off with her. left there after an hour or so and walked over to the new york bar. it was almost empty with no appealing females in sight so i quickly left and went back to my hotel.
thursday the 5th. i walked over to new fantasy. now this is what i wanted to do. an attractive place from the outside, especially compared to most buildings in san jose. the girl at the front counter walked me over to the waiting area for the girls. i knew there would be a mirror to view them but never expected the mirror to be so dark. i could barely see the girls behind it. i chose the one i could see in the doorway. she had braided blonde hair like bo derek in "10". light skinned, mid-twenties i would say, nice face and body. she said it was 18000 colones ( i.e. the equivalent of about $36 u.s. dollars ). she would not take it in su boca, only with a condom. i offered her a propina but she still insisted. i did not do the sauna but showering with her was pleasant, although i had to ask her to come into my shower. she had a sweet personality but was a little to cold for me overall. still a satisfactory first experience.
i didn't do any mongering again until monday night. another guy i met from our group and i took a taxi to what we thought would be europa 2000. i wanted to go to the oasis but it was too late. this was at 7:30 pm. the driver took us to hotel europa. we walked in looking for a bar, something that i could recognize as a lugar de putas. finally asked a couple of employees if they knew where this was and they told to walk up two lights and turn right and go 300 meters (something like that?). it was raining like usual and dark and here's two gringos walking through a part of town that if i wasn't so horny i hope i would have had better sense not to go in. this was ave. 7 and we didn't see the europa but we did find a non-descript little building which turns out to be muses according to my map. they close at 8:00. there were three girls inside. this is a tico place and they charged 7000 colones ( about $14 dollars ). now it wasn't a great experience but for that little it was ok i thought. my partner didn't think so. bj only with condom again. i was suprised, i thought they would do it without here.
my last experience was wed. the 11th. i took and long walk, went past muses and continued down ave. 7 until i thought according to my map was where cha cha cha, the purple building would be. i turned right and found la bella mansion. there was a metal gate to enter so i decided to continue walking. i knew that where i wanted was a block further. i turned left at the next block and there it was, a purple house. i knew this was the place. i walked inside and there were about 8 girls, all dark-skinned ticas. none really appealed to me but i asked one "cuanto cuesta?" she said 10000 mil. uh...i may be a gringo but i know 747 is next door and hopefully cheaper so i said "ciao". so there was the building with the number 747 on it. walked inside and there was just one girl. said said the other two were busy.
she was reasonable looking so i said "tomare usted" and we went to the seediest looking little room so far with a scrungy looking little mattress on the floor. not exactly first-class. hey, it's only 5000 colones por la media hora. this one finally took it in the mouth without condom. what was funny was that after i came she spit it out over the other side of the mattress. i wouldn't want to walk around over there. your feet would stick to the floor.
my overall impressions:
1. all of the taxi drivers are insane. this is not the indy 500 but don't tell them that.
2. speaking of drivers, no one will stop for you under any circumstance when crossing the street. even the bus drivers will speed up if they get the chance to run over you. horns honking constantly...que ruido!
3. i found most everyone friendly but then i'm not a drunk nor an obnoxious american.
4. this is a third world country and accordingly most of the buildings look as though they might collaspe at any moment. that is sad because there is so much potential here. so many tourists use san jose as their starting point to all their tour destinations. i looked for a nice place with soothing latin music and slow romantic dancing and there is none. i went to el pueblo and only young ticos y ticas grinding the night away to the pulsing beats.
5. i found the woman of my dreams here and i will return for her. i want to go the beach and see so much more that i didn't have time for this trip.
pura vida a todos
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Pamela is a world-class chica.
I say no more.
my 7th trip starts in less than 6 days...i get in town on the 23rd and stay for 7 days ...this trip i will be solo and i enjoy having a wingman while chasing the ticas ...anyone in town during those dates please shoot me a pm and lets make some plans to meet ....chilimike
I visited twice last year and had a good time at the New Fantasy and Zona Blue. What is the name of the massage parlor on Calle 32 across from the Manchu Pichu Peruvian restaurant and is it still open?
I read the police were cracking down on crime outside the Del Rey/ El Presidente.
Any news on that?
Dark Star 999
The name of the MP is Oasis and it still open.
I read the same about the crackdown althou I was there last month and it look the same as every other time I have visited SJ.
Good luck
coqui
Anyone know about the nasty clap strain that is going around SJO?
Its been mentioned on CRT but the establishment and girls effected have not been identified.
We need to stay away from these girls.
So if anyone has information please post it.
be careful rebad-
some strains of the clap are immune to penecillin.
maybe Vegas Bob on the CRT board infected everyone.
would not dine in CR for a while either.
Not having much luck in finding a cheap flight to SJO from the Washington D.C. area. Hoping to find a charter if possible. Very flexible on when I travel after Jan. 2007. Any help appreciated.
I cross posted this on the travel advice board but since there is not much action there right now (last post 5-31) I thought I would try here. Thanks in advance.
might be better taking a puddlejumper from Dc to atlanta or miami to offset the cost of flying out of DC. Atlanta is delta's hub, Miami- american's
[QUOTE=Superman06]Not having much luck in finding a cheap flight to SJO from the Washington D.C. area. Hoping to find a charter if possible. Very flexible on when I travel after Jan. 2007. Any help appreciated.
I cross posted this on the travel advice board but since there is not much action there right now (last post 5-31) I thought I would try here. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]
Have you tried TACA out of Dulles (IAD)
[QUOTE=Rebad]Have you tried TACA out of Dulles (IAD)[/QUOTE]They have fare for $602.73 tax included. The best part is that it's non-stop. Always a plus in my book. It's also the best price I have found. Not too bad. Thanks for the tip.
You might want to try US out of BWI. They had a pretty good sale going a few weeks ago - somewhere around $400 or so. I don't know if it's still going on. It isn't direct though. Also, several airlines had good fares out of Philly a couple of weeks ago but I realize that's a bit far removed from DCA.
[QUOTE=Superman06]They have fare for $602.73 tax included. The best part is that it's non-stop. Always a plus in my book. It's also the best price I have found. Not too bad. Thanks for the tip.[/QUOTE]
I remember when these trips were $400.00 - $500.00
This was last year.
try [url]www.sidestep.com[/url] or [url]www.kayak.com[/url], search engines. You may also want to see if it is a little cheaper to fly out of Baltimore .....
On the internet all I see are $40 and up hotels. I go to Puerto Plata alot and get nice hotels for $20 or less, like Lamar or Mt. View or whatever all that are friendly. Are there any $20 dollar hotels in San Jose. if so are they friendly?
[QUOTE=Cash Money]On the internet all I see are $40 and up hotels. I go to Puerto Plata alot and get nice hotels for $20 or less, like Lamar or Mt. View or whatever all that are friendly. Are there any $20 dollar hotels in San Jose. if so are they friendly?[/QUOTE]Try [url]www.hotelnuevojohnson.com/[/url] but like anything else in life, you get what you pay for, I bet that the same thing goes for Puerto Plata.
Last week I was back In San Jose for the first time in over 2 years.
I have had the luxury of work sending me to some worldwide hotspots in Asia and Europe and also gone on my own to some amazing South American hotspots a few times each, namely Rio and Buenos Aires.
Being back in CR at first I was a little disappointed and regretted making the return. I guess the rainy season had me down a bit. But once you get into the groove of CR you find it really has its own benefits.
No, San Jose itself is not the prettiest city nor does it have much in the way of must-see sites. But, there are plenty of those to be found on trips to the coast/volcanoes/National Parks/forests and all relatively close by.
The mongering scene is also somewhat different than my previous trip. Yes, the whole usual list of places often mentioned in the forum are still going strong.
The main differences I saw were:
Del Ray-BM Bar—yes same as ever in one respect, the girls still quote $100 as a first offer. However, much to my surprise many would now stick on this number. No, I am not talking about the bottom-end skanks that I wouldn’t do for free, nor the mid-tier ones that still as in the past would go MUCH lower, but the 2nd tier girls ( those very cute and very doable, but below the 2-3 real 1st tier girls on any given night) now would stay on their number. In the past—not the case. The 2-3 real hotties now as in the past, still hold-out for the $100 , because they can and do get this amount consistently.
Also, I met and had drinks with numerous mongers that were there for the 1st or 2nd time ever and were in that “this is the greatest place ever” phase”. They all seemed to think that $100 was the “normal” price, so they were paying. No wonder the girls were asking! In that respect the scene seems to have dropped.
Key Largo—much improved over times past. The live music was normally very good. They had a nightly buffet set-up that was C 1700 ($3.50 USD) that included beef, pork or chicken & rice, beans, chips and salad. Always very good and one of the better deals in town.
The bartendistas were mainly very cute and a lot of fun to party with. The working chicas were hit and miss, mainly a subset of the girls from the Del Rey.
ZB—some gems to be found, higher in quality than last trip. The quality of service is outstanding
NF—I would say generally speaking lesser quality of girls than ZB—but for those looking for quick and cheap they do offer a 30 minute $20 deal. In a bind it is a great deal.
I have seen a few mentions of a newer place called the Pirate Club, I did not go- but was told it was nice upscale and $50 hr for the girl and $50/hr per the room, but there are ways to get substantial discounts on the room. I was told there are many pretty girls all dressed-up in the Pirate theme.-For next trip.
In reading some of this forum for the first time in awhile --I see many of the other travelers who have been to other places, all seem to have this snobbish attitude against CR. I for one, who have been to most (repeatedly) of these other oft mentioned places say to them—CR certainly has its own unique charms.
I am in my 30’s and in good shape and had success with the non-bar girls. Went-out with one and will see her again on my return, and also set-up the groundwork with another (both very hot).
The city itself may not be world class like BA or have the natural beauty of Rio, but the PEOPLE of CR, ARE world-class. I can hold my own in Spanish and Portuguese, so I never feel just lost in S. Amer or C Am, but in Asia it is tough outside of the pigeon bar-english the girls speak.
So CR, IMHO with its ease of use for the non-Spanish speaker and its closer/cheaper flights and the beautiful countryside (not to mention the beautiful girls) still has MUCH to offer.
Anyone have problems getting these women to swallow?
Lets say first new mongers should learn to speak spanish. My monger friend that I just hooked up with while we were vacationing helped me negotiate 70 for 2 shots and CIM with a girl from del ray. Well. After 1st shot she says she is done and more shots is more dough. I said no way and I said I will only pay her 50 but then I got hard and wanted 2nd shot and I would pay her another 20. Basically they same damn thing we agreed upon earlier. I tried to bust in her mouth but I guess I was to vocal before coming so she pulled out with a teeny bit in her mouth. The girl was beautiful but she was columbian where I really want to go.
Well, I thought 70 was too much given that I have read Oasis was only like 14000 colones. My friend told me about fantasy and was in my price range. I went there and it was 18000 colones. Not really anything good except I saw a cute and slim body with nice ass 1/2 chinese 1/2 Costa Rica. Her name is Magali and her real name is gabriella. No tits to speak of nor does she kiss, and only does BJ with condom except for like 30 secs. But doing her is nice cuz she is really hot compared to the other girls, but I would rate her a 7. 5. Massage is weak and basically skipped that as I got horny and wanted to get to the real action.
Where the heck is Oasis? Anyone has directions and address or nearby what bldg?
All in all, mongering in Thailand and China is much better than Costa Rica. But it's a beautiful country. Again you need to learn some spanish.
Who has more information about Pirate Club, location? I ve never heard it. it sounds interesting.
Ive been to the pirate club. It is located on avenida 10, it has a 5500 colones cover charge(this gets you 3 beers or 2 well drinks) but the website says there isnt any. The girls there are pretty good, the rooms are NICE. you get an hour session for $100 ($50 if you are a CRT member). All and all it isnt a bad place for the $50 a session.
Hi,, Long time reader, first time poster.
I have been living and working in CR for a year now and as most on here, enjoy mongering.
I feel after a year I have climbed the ranks from amature monger to intermediate monger and do pretty much ok.
I frequent DR more than KL because despite the reports, the KL [IMHO] has lower class of women/DL rejects [AND they feel they deserve DR pricing], the music outright sucks [it's too loud <can't negoitate a price when every other word out of your mouth is "que? ">] and it's that same shitty "wanna-bee island crap that sounds the same no matter what band plays there". But I digress.
As usual, me and my merry band of quasi-mongerers hit KL [they love it, I can't figure out why] I tolerate the mass of fucktards that constantly bump into you and such and drink. I politely make my exit and go to DR. The group soon follows.
We stay there till about 3AM and scout what is what.
There was one girl Natalia I believe her name is. 5'6" Store bought tits, J-lo booty and columbian.
I had had her once before a couple of months ago and she was a so-so experience. [condom blowjob, standard sex, bla bla bla] finishes the job and is out the door. We were about to leave when her and her 2 friends approached us. My buddies really wernt in the mood and since I had been drinking, it was late and such, I thought I would give her a second chance. I had my spanish speaking buddy translate for me and made it clear I pretty much wanted what I wanted for a hour. She retorted with "no anal, everything else ok"
So off we went. We got back here, busted out candles, set the atmosphere and of course she wanted cash up front. I told her no, cause last time she was "rapido, rapido, rapido" she tried her best to say she would "boom boom" long time, but I was diggin the vibe. [that and her cell phone ringing every 3 minutes wasnt helping matters either]
Longer story short, she wasnt havin it. So I as like "ok, not interested, time for you to go. " [I'm betting you know where this went next]
She went thermonuclear! My spanish speakin buddy interviened to try to "switzerland" this situation out but [from what he told me had a mouth like a jersey truck triver]
I won't go into every single detail but some of the things she said had disturbed me, such as: "Either 1 hour or one cum shot, which ever comes first" [no pun intended] Well, I don't know about the rest on here, but I can pop two or three times in an hour period [prety proud of that for my age and all] "gringos know that" and the killer one "well, that's how we treat all gringos" [thinking she would gain sympathy from my spanish speaking friend who really isn't tico] =P
I wound up giving her 10, 000c just to get the hell out.
I wrote this report for a couple of reasons: 1] to give a heads up on this rabit hooker, 2] to ask questions such as: is this common? [having to boot a hooker cause she gave or is going to give bad service? ] Is it just the columbian girls who pull this? Or the majority or did I just get a bad apple?
Am I gonna get a "black mark" from the "CR Hookers guild"?
Guess I'm just looking for some wisdom from the more experienced mongers who also live here or travel here frequently.
Thanks in advance,
P
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Answering your question:
Have only got one here to ever swallow.
She was such an annoying pain in the ass, I had to do with out rather that deal with her.
I have a a few who do CIM, but then they act like they just got a mouth full of battery acid and go into a frenzy trying to spit it out.
Personally it is a turn-off when they become "Cum-Phobes".
It's like "it's your job. Do your job. Swallow this!
If you don't like swallowing New England Man Chowder, take a job at Hyper Mas, Auto Mercado or Fusion at the mall! You are in the wrong line of work.
Sorry I sound bitter, but lately the DR/Kl/Pick a friggin ho-house has been way to "Prima-Donna" for my tastes [and what they want to charge for it]
Members: Please comment or advise if I'm right, wrong or need to go to Clinica Biblica for a mental health check-up. =P
P
I think chicas are all over the map on this from CBJ's to BBBJ's w/final jack-off or FS to BBBJTCIM w/spit and more than one I've had w/swallow. Personally, after I'm "done with it", I don't really care what the chica does. Sure its nice if they don't act like its the most disgusting thing they've ever tasted but a discrete spit into a towel while they're wiping their face works nearly as well as actually letting it go down the gullet. I do know that if I ever go down on a woman myself I also spit and wipe as discretely as possible when I'm done. So why wouldn't she? Frankly, I don't normally just expect the chica to swallow, though its a nice bonus I've seen many times in CR. I'm guessing either your selection methods need some work or your supposed cum production isn't matched by quality. BTW, one thing one can do to improve the taste of one's cum is to eat lots of pineapple. Let me be clear that I'm basing this on my extensive reading and research on the [b]web[/b] and not personal experience or "taste-tests" of my own.
Another point is that the KL which you are so quick to condemn does have its good points too, which you have seemed to overlook. To be fair, I can definitely understand some of your complaints. Let's look at them.
I agree, the bands they have there aren't gonna win any latin grammy awards. This isn't LA or NY. If you want to hear even the top bands in SJ, I can recommend other places, but they'll either have a cover, have higher drink prices or else be located much further away from ground zero. What do you really expect for free live entertainment?
I also agree that the sound system is not concert hall quality nor conducive to deep conversation IF you're in the main room with the dance floor. Big deal. You show me any dance venue that isn't so loud that it doesn't mean some sort of tradeoff with your ability to hear every word. There are plenty of quieter areas in other rooms at the KL where conversation is not a problem at all if that is what you're after. The pool room is a good example and also presents you with yet another fun activity you can do with the girls while you decide whether they pass the personality test before inviting them back to your room. Frankly, regarding this whole conversation thing, I think many guys, particularly those who are weaker in spanish are just as happy to have a place to go to interact with the chica candidates without having to hold up an extended conversation. Most "conversations" in the BM don't go much beyond the hackneyed "whats you name, where you stay, how long in CR" banter which make up just about the limits of many chicas conversational ability. One certainly isn't going to start a conversation about world events with any of these girls.
What about the looks quality of the chicas? Again, I have to kinda agree with your statement that the KL-based chicas are in general not up to the same standard of looks as the BM-based chicas. I have to disagree, however, that they hold to the same pricing standards as the BM girls. Sure they may start at $100 just like their sisters across the street but they're much much quicker to come down to a realistic price. Finally, on this subject, there isn't that clear a line between the "KL chicas" and the "BM chicas" as you make out. Sure there are some chicas that only work the KL and many chicas that only work the BM and would never step in there, but there are also MANY chicas that are willing to work both sides of the street and frankly if you sought after those you might meet with much better success with the BM chicas than you seem to be having.
Finally, as to the difference in basic atmospheres. It seems there are just as many "drunken fucktards" that will bump into you at the BM as there are at the KL. That's called being in a crowded bar. Of course, the KL is not the premier dance club in SJ. Instead of denigrating the KL as something totally worthless, why don't you recognize it for what it is - an somewhat imperfect compromise solution, where you can easily just pop over from the BM (and just as importantly and easily pop back) and interact with your potential chica of the evening in a setting that allows you to do something other than just buy her drinks while she tries to convince you to rush back to your hotel room (and as significantly probably rush back to the BM before you're done).
Bottom line: I think you need how to appreciate and how to use the KL as a tool for weeding those BM chicas like the one you described in your post because I bet if you had invited her to go over to the KL for a little dancing before you rushed back with her to your room you'd have discovered beforehand what a rush she was really in and would have saved yourself being put into the position you did.
Some other miscellaneous points: I don't think you need to go to the Clinica Biblica for a mental health check-up, but I do think you are wrong on some other points. Not all chicas swallow (would you if you were them?). It doesn't automatically come with the job. If that is so important to you than I suggest you add it to your prequalifying list.
The 2nd miscellaneous point is more of a question. If this Natalia was such a mediocre so-so experience from before (with CBJ, rapido rapido etc.) what made you think after hanging out with BM primadonnas you're complaining so much about that she'd have changed for the better? So why did you go with her again? If she expected you to pay up front and you'd been with her before, I'm guessing that had come up the first time. Did you pay first then and if she was a known clockwatcher why didn't you clarify that point ahead of time? Related to this is the fact that she's a Colombiana (BTW, it doesn't seem anyone around here can spell that correctly lately). Guys that do know how to spell it correctly typically know how nuch trouble they can be. Sure thay can be some of the hottest looking women in there but also often the most ruthless and mercenary. Either avoid them altogether or, if you must still have them understand the risks, take extra care in all the other facets of prequalifying and even then be prepared to possibly get burned
It appears to me there is a stedy stream of chicas travelig back and forth between DR and KL. I see chicas that offer their services at New York Bar, Key Largo, Del Ray and some tha make their way from Sportsmen to Key Largo and in the past girls from the Monkey Bar. At any given night you can see the saw chica at several venues
"Guess I'm just looking for some wisdom from the more experienced mongers who also live here or travel here frequently."
"Thanks in advance,"
OK, I don't know if I am qualified to reply as I have only been to CR one time, but I did stay at the Del Rey and have an excellent time with several girls I met there.
1. You went with a girl with whom you had already had an unsatisfactory experience. Why? The key to a good sexual experience in pay-for-play is that you have a good rapport with your partner. Sex is a two-way activity if ever there was one, and the likelihood of hitting it off after an earlier failure is minimal.
2. You say that you had been drinking. Girls tend to be more averse to male sexual partners who are under the influence of alcohol. Smoking can also be a negative factor.
3. You say that you have been living in the CR for a year, but you say that you are having to use a Spanish-speaking friend to interpret. Is there some reason why you have not yet learned enough Spanish to hold a conversation? My guess is that you are not very interested in getting to know Spanish-speaking people.
4. You appear to not be aware that most girls do not enjoy swallowing semen (nor do they generally enjoy or prefer anal sex). I am sure that you feel that you are justified in complaining because you are hiring a girl at a good price to fulfil your needs and that she should do what you want if she wants to get paid. You have a point, but you are ignoring the human side. Unfortunately for you even prostitutes are people and while they do work in a human service field, they are not licensed professionals. There is no agreed code of conduct that includes swallowing or a minimum number of orgasms.
Clearly in this case the girl wanted to be paid, but wanted to spend as little time as possible with you. I do not know the exact reason for this, but you might want to look at your reasons for refusing to learn Spanish which suggests to me that you have an underlying hostility to Spanish speakers.
Your comment that you are stepping up from being an "amature" monger to "intermediate" is meaningless and shows a lack of understanding .
The word you are thinking of is "amateur" which means someone who does something for the love of it--yes it comes from the same root as the Spanish word 'amor' (love)--as opposed to a professional who does it for money.
You probably don't need to see a psychiatrist, but you might want to do a bit of introspection.
ST,
Excellent post. Sounds like despite having been there only once you're well on your way to climbing the ranks from amateur to expert (whatever those terms mean) as you seem to "get it". Your post covered a lot of the same points that I was also thinking but left out. Some others can spend a lifetime in CR and may never "get it".
TP,
You probably didn't make it through all my verbage, but I also commented on the fact that a LOT of the chicas go back and forth and so to talk about any hard and fast distinction between the "BM chicas" and "KL chicas" is absurd, except perhaps that the BM chicas that are willing to cross the street are more often the types that are willing to let their hair down and have fun with a guy rather than just be all about business.
Postie,
Take heart. Consider what these guys have to say and you might find room for improvement in the results you acheive. I don't know about "reports of distinction" but your post is worthy of some merit for warning us about a chica we should all try to avoid and we thank you for that.
I am glad to get some feed back on this.
I wanted to elaborate on a few things posted.
SuperTigre:
"Is there some reason why you have not yet learned enough Spanish to hold a conversation? My guess is that you are not very interested in getting to know Spanish-speaking people. "
Yes. The company I work for is english speaking [my boss is adament on it, I haven't a clue why]. My roommates are english speaking. I was [and am] very interested in becomming fluent in spanish. The reason I have not is clearly my own fault for not making the time/cracking down on getting it done
"There is no agreed code of conduct that includes swallowing or a minimum number of orgasms"
I'll agree on the first half [I was venting from the incident last Friday], but on the second. If she charges X amount of colones for a hour, then it's an hour, if she is gonna charge "by the pop" she should state that up front.
"but you might want to look at your reasons for refusing to learn Spanish which suggests to me that you have an underlying hostility to Spanish speakers. "
Not at all. I sooooooooooooo wish I had a better aptitude/dicipline to learn spanish. I keep trying with my PC. Perhaps taking classes may be the next step
"You probably don't need to see a psychiatrist, but you might want to do a bit of introspection. " as for anything in life.
I personally plan on staying here as long as I can [I got a drivers licence, Car, bank account, PriceSmart card, etc. Looking into some type of residency status] short of my job ending and I can't earn a living here, they plain outright boot me out or Bill Gates dangles a dump truck full of money in front of me. =P
Prolijo: "If you want to hear even the top bands in SJ, I can recommend other places, but they'll either have a cover, have higher drink prices or else be located much further away from ground zero. What do you really expect for free live entertainment? "
I don't want to hear any band. I know that's the "atomsphere" of the place, but I'm willing to bet that if there would be no band at all, business would not diminish at all. [IMHO]
"there isn't that clear a line between the "KL chicas" and the "BM chicas" as you make out. " [were you in there last Friday? It was an ug-fest. But in your defense, the cattle were grazing over to the DR as well. ]
"I think you need how to appreciate and how to use the KL as a tool for weeding those BM chicas like the one you described in your post because I bet if you had invited her to go over to the KL for a little dancing before you rushed back with her to your room you'd have discovered beforehand what a rush she was really in and would have saved yourself being put into the position you did. "
And that's why I asked for you guys opinion, good or bad. You may have a good point there. For some reason I doubt that specific girl would have behaved any different, however I did see a girl I was also dissapointed [not as bad as Natalia, but still lost in translation I guess <thinking of SuperTigre's thoughts from earlier>]with as well from quite a few weeks ago back dancing there. Good point in that area.
"If this Natalia was such a mediocre so-so experience from before (with CBJ, rapido rapido etc.) what made you think after hanging out with BM primadonnas you're complaining so much about that she'd have changed for the better? "
Oh boy. The answer is "None what-so-ever! " this was a total result of drinking and not thinking. "liquid optimism! "
So, to re-cap what I have learned: Be less critical and less vocal about the KL. It is what it is. Just wish it could be a bit better. LEARN SPANISH! Less problems when I have a better command of the language.
Thanks for the knowledge, it is appreciated. Also apologies for my first postings as negative, the whole "Natalia" incident just had me. [lacking the proper wording]. And I felt here would be a good place to discuss it. [obviously can't go "hey mom, had some trouble with a psychotic hooker, you didn't cover that in the "birds and bee's" convo so many years ago, can we go over it? ] =P I have really had some good [fantastic and even some funny] experiences with some of the DR/KL/Other establishment women here and will share them soon.
Thanks again for the input,
P
I'll be going there in a couple weeks, for the first time, and stay for about 5 days. From reading the forums I get the idea of where to go for mongering, and what hotels to get, I'm still not sure which hotel to stay in yet. I'll probbaly stay a few days in one, and a couple in another.
Anyways, what are some things a newbie to the area should go do or see during the day? What about restaurants? Also what should be avoided?
Will anybody else be there?
Rule Number 1. Don't go down to Costa Rica during election time if you can help it. Not a alcoholic beverage to be had. As I experienced this weekend. Most drinking establishments were closed. Including Key Largo until Monday at midnight. Thus somewhat of a skeleton crew at the Del Rey, but as always there were gems to be found.
It was funny to see all these grown azz men sitting in the Del Rey with a bottle of Sprite. Hahahaha. It's a good thing that most of the woman are attractive there any way because the "beer goggles" were not in effect for the weekend.
The alcoholic option was, if you were staying at the DR, you could get the key to the mini-bar of your room and bring the beer down to lobby or it was even suggested that a few of the cab drivers out front the DR had beers they were selling from there taxi.
I opted for the Sprite from the bar!
As I have read in other post, I agree the girls, particularly DR girls, have gotten a little out of hand. Or maybe this whole international mongering thing has just gone haywire any more all woman think they have to do is show up with bigger boobs an ass implant and it's a guaranteed $100 for an hour or at least until she trys to get you to cum in a nano second.
Anymore they appear to be bringing less and less personality to the table and more desperation. The competition is fierce in the DR and it is not manifesting itself into better service just more lies and desperation by the woman.
I see it has become more of a "cash on the barrel" situation and less and less GFE which I know for some is fine, but hell, you have to do something with your time to make it a memorable experience other then the quick "Cum & Go" that the woman will try to induce if your not careful or savvy. These days you have to turn up the "pretender" radar higher as more and more woman are showing up High on the "FRAUD-O-METER".
There was a time when a few drinks developed good rapport, you'd pinch each other on the ass as you laugh and giggle all the way to at the very least a good episode or a TLN.
In the last 6 months. I have visted the Del Rey and its subsidiaries on 4 separate occasions and IMHO. It is really becoming a turn off, but lets not get crazy. Not so much that I will never go back. Hahahaha.
My point is. The asking prices are high. Which is not a problem. You just lower them and most all will come down. And those that don't I hope they bought enough for cab fare home. When you do get those stunners who realize that something is better then nothing. They are not happy about it so there service level is reflective of that in some cases. In other cases. It wouldn't matter whether you gave the girl $200 or $5 her first words once in the sack would be. FINISH! FINISH! LECHE! LECHE!
My experience recently, especially with no alcohol to be had was that the girls wanted less small talk and listening to choppy spanglish and more lets just fvck.
The woman are more up front and to the point. What is most annoying to me is that they are advertising and negotiating services they have no intent on producing. To the point I got a refund after service. LOL (Long story, but its true! ). I just got tired of the bullshit!
These woman are not taking the first, second or third NO for an answer. You almost have to tell them you have no dyck for them to leave you alone, but that would only be after they would try to sell you the infamous "I give good massage and blow yob". I'm like baby, I have no dyck! Remember. NO IMPORTA! LOL.
When I tried the nice respectful NO THANKS or POSSIBLY MAS TARDE. They still couldn't be shaken. One went on to tell me how she had no money to eat the next day if we didn't have a session, another told me how she needed it because she was a student at the university and so on and so on.
While this is monger thing is very subjective and its almost always a YMMV kind of deal, I find it being more work to find that pleasurable experience then it used to. Again, just one mans observation.
this is part of an unpublished article based on notes i made on my one and ony trip to costa rica, where i stayed at the del rey hotel for two nights. this was not originally written for a mongering board, but may be of interest anyway.
my prostitution faq is tacked on the end.
first a bit about myself, which i think is necessary to help you get some idea of where i am coming from, and to make adjustments for how my perceptions and values differ from yours.
i am fifty-four years old, single (a widower). i am not wealthy, but i have a decent job, no mortgage or car payment, and no dependents.
my looks are a bit above average, but not exceptional, i wear glasses, have close cropped gray hair, my weight for my height (197 lbs, 6 ft 1 in) is roughly appropriate and i am generally clean-cut, tidily dressed, well-groomed, and don't smoke, drink, or take any kind of drugs, not even aspirin, though i may take an occasional sip of beer or piña colada from my novia's glass. my blood pressure is quite normal and my pulse runs in the mid sixties. i don't exercise a lot, except for doing building maintenance work, carpentry, painting, etc. , but i am blessed with excellent health, both mental and physical.
i also like playing no-limit texas hold'em poker for tiny stakes. i only mention this because in what follows i may use some metaphors from poker, which even if you don't play the game, should help to clarify my observations on sex tourism.
possibly to my great shame i have become a bit of an expert at mongering with latinas in the dominican republic and had sex with fifty or so senoritas, most of whom were freelancers, or friends of my novia who were offered to me as a reward for good behavior, or more likely to put some money in the girl's pocket. i also have friends who own prostitution-related clubs and bars, so have been able to see a bit of what goes on behind the scenes and to understand something of how the "chicas" (spanish "lassies") think. being somewhat competent in speaking spanish and endowed with natural curiosity about those i am about to have sex with, i always interview my chicas thoroughly, asking and them a lot of nonstandard questions about their life history, length of service, and feelings about prostitution.
if you don't speak any spanish and you heard me speaking spanish, you might think that i was fluent, but in fact i am not, and operate with a very restricted lexicon, though my spanish is perfectly adequate for communicating with prostitutes, taxi drivers and restaurant employees. i can also converse perfectly well in spanish on the phone and be understood, even if my grammar and choice of tenses is sometimes erratic.
a solo trip to costa rica
i decided to take my recent trip to costa rica, because although i was quite happy with my sex life, i specifically wanted to enjoy something that my relationship with my dominican novia made impossible, which was being able to go into a bar or disco full of gorgeous women and take out whichever one i fancied and have sex with her. and i wanted to be able to do this over and over till i didn't want any more. i also wanted to get two girls who had not previously been lovers to have lesbian sex with each other while i watched, and then with me. call me a kinky pervert if you will, but this is what i wanted. i suppose i could see the same thing by renting a porno, but watching pornography is not, thank goodness, on my list of personal vices-nor even television, for that matter.
why sex, though? well, i don't know if i can fully explain, but some folks like football, golf, hunting, drinking, smoking, cocaine. i don't care much for any of these, but i love sex with beautful women. recently a jacksonville newspaper columnist announced that the college football draft was better than sex. i take the opposite view. given a choice between sex with a beautiful woman and the college football draft, call me stupid if you will, and i know many people will find this a marginal call, but i will always opt for making love.
i know that many people will object to my recreational sex on religious grounds. all i can say to them is that they should thank their stars that they are on a higher spiritual plane than i, but that if they read on they may discover that i am gradually moving towards their position.
on internet bulletin boards i had read about the blue marlin bar at the hotel del rey (king's hotel) in san jose, costa rica, and it seemed to me from what i had read, that this was exactly whither i needed to go. the fare was not too expensive from miami, and because it was not far away, i could go for a couple of days midweek. prostitution is completely legal in costa rica, provided that the partner is of legal age, which is eighteen. the hotel del rey is the epicenter of the prostitution scene in san jose, and large numbers of local girls gather here especially at night, though there are plenty there all day, hoping to meet a male gringo (non hispanic tourist).
some people equate sex tourism with ****philia and child molesting, so let me make this clear. i, and nearly all fellow *****mongers, hate and despise ****s, because their perverted activities often lead to us legal mongers being tarred with the same brush in uninformed opinion. the wikipedia article on costa rica states that recently tourist have been arrested for trying to pick up **** girls at the hotel del rey, but at the time i was there girls had to show their photo id (cedula) to enter the building and had to deposit it with security prior to visiting a guest room. perhaps the procedures were different before.
san jose, costa rica
san jose is not as ugly a city as one might expect. it is a rather typical litter-strewn spanish-style city, with broken sidewalks and drains, the odd mentally i'll-person lying on the sidewalk, and a distinct lack of street signs to help you know where you are. on the other hand, there are some pleasant parks and the old historical district and national museum are interesting. typical of latin america was a huge piece of statuary i noted in a park near the del rey bombastically commemorating some nineteenth century battles with figures of naked-breasted silicon-enhanced chicas wielding spears and battle axes. this apparently relates to the wars of 1856 when a bunch of early us tourists tried to bring about regime change in central america and ran into a lot of local resistance. presumably the busty female warriors symbolize the motherland.
food is good, plentiful, and cheap. although the airport is infested with american fast food franchises with their mission to make the whole world put horrible food in its mouth and pay through the nose, most of san jose is mercifully free of this kind of pollution.
the hotel del rey is a pretty decent place, with décor in the spanish colonial style and carved wooden panels on the outside of each of the guest rooms. the plumbing works, though the water pressure is a bit low. (now why can't central america have american plumbing, which it needs, instead of fast food franchises, which it does not? ) the whole of the planta baja (ground floor) is devoted to the lobby, blue marlin bar, restaurant, and a small casino and you can find chicas anywhere on this level, or rather they will find you. in fact the whole hotel is just a giant brothel.
if chicas wish to go to a higher floor their id must be deposited and a $10 fee charged to a guestroom. i was quite impressed with the unobtrusive, but efficient way that this is run.
as soon as i arrived, before i had even got checked into my room, i was approached by a lady who told me she was 39 years old, but was probably older, but of reasonable attractiveness all the same. as she was my first tica (female costa rican) and i actually do quite enjoy a more mature woman from time to time, i agree to hire her on for us$50. after i had showered, i took her up to my room. i explained to her, not entirely truthfully, that i had lost my wife (true) and that i had not had sex with a woman for two years (two weeks would have been closer) and that i needed someone who would make love to me with passion to make up for lost time. she did a great job, proved to be rather orgasmic, and i had no complaints. $50 well spent.
a visit to a massage parlor
i now explored the city on foot for a while and ended up a couple of hours later at a highly-regarded massage parlor called zona blue where i picked out a cute, lively girl with grey eyes called diana and had a nice shower with her with a lot more hot water than i had at the del rey, and then she gave me a fantastic massage. i have some back pains sometimes, which the time in the plane had not helped, and she really hit the spot, so forcefully that in the end i had to cry for mercy and get her to stop. she then performed oral sex on me with a condom with great enthusiasm and we had sex. she was extremely noisy and responsive, so much so that it seemed like she was auditioning for a role in a porno movie, which makes me suspect that she may have been acting the part. whatever, this was still an extremely enjoyable and memorable time that i would repeat, and diana was very affectionate and a lot of fun.
chica hunting at the hotel del rey
back at the del rey i caught up on my sleep and went back downstairs again at 11: 00 p. m to see what i could get for a nightcap. at this point i had some difficulty. there were maybe fifty or sixty girls there vying for my attention, and if i was super horny and looking to get laid, there would have been no problem at all, but at this point i was only looking for one who would really float my boat. we all have different notions as to what a perfect ten might be. for me, tens have to be both tall and dark (morena or negrita) which means probably having a large number of african genes, as well as pretty, intelligent and affectionate.
this is where the gap concept comes into play. in poker the gap concept states that if someone else enters the pot before you, then you need a hand as strong, or better than the hand that the prior entrant needed from his position at the table for you to enter. since my novia, who equates to my "sexual home" is more attractive to me than 95% of the available prostitutes, then i have to look more for variety than for quality, otherwise i would not get laid at all. why come on this trip at all, then, you might ask? i guess the answer to that is that i get quite a kick out of browsing a place like the blue marlin, knowing that i can take any chica from there, and testing out my ability to pick a good one. what i look for is not so much just looks, but a girl who i think will have an orgasm with me, because i find with increasing age that it is harder to complete the sex act, but that when a woman comes, i nearly always climax fairly easily very soon afterwards. that is all. therefore it does not necessarily pay me to look only for the best lookers. nearly all the girls in the del rey are fair-skinned and few of them are tall. i don't remember seeing any who were 5"9' or more. to be more even more precise, my prerequisites call for them to be tall, dark, young, and childless, which is a tall order indeed. i had found one girl called ariana who was of average stature, but had all the other qualifications plus a delightful and unusual personality, but this was earlier just after my return from zona blue, and i was still in a state of detumescence and she was planning to go home soon anyway. however, i was very interested in her, i had made a note of her cell phone number with a view to mañana.
if the blue marlin girls have a characteristic look, it is the chica who is fair-skinned with long black straight hair, nearly always worn down, this "witch-like" look doesn't appeal to me. the girls whom i suspect the average guy might like best are more golden skinned, with lighter hair, and slim-as-a-whip bodies. from what i saw these girls seemed like popular picks. the type who appeal least to me, and i suspect to others, are those who are both short and dumpy. this type is plentiful.
after several circuits of the floor, i did spot a possible target who had the type of face i like, and a very cute rear end to boot (i am not much of a breast man) and on approach i wasn't particularly surprised to find that she was a dominicana from san cristobal, called carolina. we chatted for a while and found that we had mutual acquaintances. interestingly, and i will return to this, she asked me if i had children, and when i replied in the negative, she immediately asked who was the heir to my estate. i truthfully told her that it was my dominican novia, which extracted a wistful smile.
eventually i popped the question and carolina said "cien" and i said "cincuenta", so we split the difference. we went up to my room on the 5th floor and had a nice relaxed session. she took a while to warm up, but then things got pretty hot. i didn't think that she orgasmed, but a bit later she mentioned that she did, so what do i know? i am inclined to believe her, because she used the verb "lograr", which means to achieve, or pull something off, as if this was something of note. after the sex she was quite chatty and wanted to hang around and watch tv with me, but i was tired and wanted to sleep, so i ended up untangling myself and falling instead into the arms of morpheus.
in the a. m. i was up at 6: 30 and had breakfast in the del rey. later i walked to the national museum, around the corner from the del rey and worthy of a visit. admission is $4 for gringos, less for locals. one thing i learned there is that the shortage of dark girls stems from historical reasons, and that the few that you do find are probably the descendants of immigrant banana-plantation workers. (see, visiting museums is relevant to your sex life.)
then around 3: 00 p. m. the chica i mentioned (ariana) came over around 3 p. m. i had thought she wasn't going to show up, but she had been caught in the rain and eventually arrived with her clothes all soaking wet and shivering with cold. this was remedied by the standard treatment for hypothermia of getting into bed and cuddling up with a warm body
and she was absolutely marvelous. this girl is just a bundle of energy and as flexible as an olympic gymnast and she was coming at me from every angle for over an hour. in my lifetime i have had sex with well over 100 women, but ariana was an instant inductee into the hall of sexual fame, because she had that rare talent of making you feel loved. perfect slim hard, brown, smooth-skinned body, wonderful attitude, warm, passionate, and no rushing at all. in fact she hung around kissing and smooching long enough to prep me for a second shot on goal, and then dined with me afterwards at the del rey restaurant.
my wait during the time she was being rained on at the bus stop was not entirely wasted, for i met a pair of dominicanas from santiago who were most eager to put on a private lesbian show for me prior to me having sex with the two of them, but that was subsequently pre-empted, because over dinner, ariana and i discussed--as one discusses these things over dinner--ariana coming back next morning with a beautiful, inexperienced girl to be initiated into lesbian sex before my eyes.
. well, dear reader, i fell asleep and awoke at 10: 30 p. m with the phone ringing and ariana telling me that she was having trouble finding a lesbian partner for tomorrow. there was one colombian girl who ariana fancied doing, but she wanted $180! i said that was ridiculous and if it was not to be, then it was not to be. anyhow this talk of lesbian shows got me a bit excited again, so i went downstairs and found christina, a 26-year-old dominicana from puerto plata who wasn't exactly a perfect ten, but was tall and dark, with bewitching eyes and a lovely smile. she was extremely laid back and provided another great experience. this trip was incredibly lucky as i seem to have totally dodged any nonperformers who might have been lying in wait for me.
one of the things that people who don't know anything about prostitution, but think they do, is that they don't understand how much repeatedly sharing this elemental human experience (sex) with others leads to much better personal relations skills. with christina, even though we had only met minutes before, it all seemed like we were old lovers who were lounging around at home, feeling horny, and decided to have sex while watching tv. there was no hassle, no bullshit, and when it was over we just stay there watching tv for quite a while before she moved on. having praised ariana to the skies, i can hardly now say that christina was better, but in some ways she was, because while ariana was all action like a hyperkinetic porn star, with christina it all seemed completely natural. one of the reasons i like tall women is that with me being also tall, we seem to fit together better and just get into a lazy slow rhythym like riding the waves on an ocean-going yacht that gradually builds into a mostgrous two-way climax, and that was the way it was with christina-nothing fancy, just perfection. needless to say, i slept well.
and yet christina told me that she had only been doing this (prostitution) for four months, having never worked "en la calle" (on the street) at home in the dr, and had been very nervous with clients for her first month. she was still a little shy, but seemed totally relaxed and comfortable with what she was doing. i gave her $70. she would not suck my penis without a condom, explaining that she "had to think of her children". there really is no possible response to this line of argument except to say "yes, i understand". the notion of responsible motherhood is very strong in catholic environs and to even imply that a girl is a bad mother is a terrible insult. also, it is perfectly true that most of the girls are the sole supports for their families and that if they became sick their children would in fact be destitute. so even if we think that the danger of hiv transmission through non-ejaculatory oral sex is rather minimal just don't go there. it is not worth it. no vale la pena! christina did not strike me as the sharpest knife in the drawer, but you know what? she amazed me when she said she thought i must have a dominican novia, because i knew so many "bad" words in spanish, meaning words related to sex. she was also sweet enough to tell me that i must have been quite good looking when i was younger.
threesomes: avoiding the pitfalls
next morning ariana did come through for me and showed right on time with a charming, sweet, young white girl of some twenty-one summers called raisa. raisa had never had sex before with ariana, nor indeed with any gringo, so today was a double first for her, though she admitted to prior sex with a chica. she had a couple of studs inserted into her lower back the day before for decorative purposes, so was still a little sensitive, but most sweet and accomodating all the same. she also had a stud in her tongue, which was a first for me.
"sweet" was the adjective i would use to describe the whole adventure of this threesome in which the girls sweetly made love to each other first, and then i joined in and we all did everything to each other, taking it in turns to be the one person with two others pleasuring them, with lots of giggles, stroking, and soft kisses. i had sex with raisa first, and then switched to ariana for a grand and very passionate finale with a little assistance from raisa's strategically placed fingers.
now this experience did not exactly come cheap, though considerably less than one hour with an average "escort" advertised on the internet in florida would have been. but look at what i got. two gorgeous young women, one of whom had never been with a gringo before, a lesbian show, all the kisses i could handle, and full sex with two girls. given the gap concept and the impossibility of duplicating this experience at home, it was money well spent, i say. i should just add for those who are not au fait with prostitution etiquette, that condom change between partners is de rigeur in these situations, and that a full shower, or at least a thorough soaping of the relevant parts is also the norm.
i had a little bit of prior experience of threesomes before, but this was without any doubt the best. my first threesome had ended up with the two girls arguing and fighting (apparently this often happens when the man appears to favor one over the other). my second threesome took place at my friend's nightclub when he gifted me the session at his own expense, but in truth it had been perfunctory, and there had not been much chemistry there. a more notable one a few months ago was actually a foursome where two girls made lesbian love for my novia and i, then we took one girl each for further one-on-one action. it might appear that my novia is not the jealous type, but wait! she asked me which girl i wanted and then took the one i indicated for herself, leaving the other for me. fortunately i had anticipated this move on her part and nominated the least desirable one, thus getting the one i wanted the most assigned to me. apparently my novia's choice didn't do such a great job, because as soon as the two other girls had left, my novia grabbed me by the ears and forced me to use my knowledge of linguistics to finish what had been started by her chosen chica.
i think the reason why this trey at the hotel del rey was so good was that i had laid down the guidelines for exactly what i expected each girl to do, and what i was going to do to whom, and in what order before anything happened. so both of them know i was going to start with raisa, because she was new to me, and finish with ariana, because she was special to me. the other factor was that there is a considerable potential when you have a threesome with two women who know each other, and who speak a different language from yourself, that they will be communicating with each other in ways you don't fully understand, and they may actually exclude you. in this case there was none of that. we were all three absolutely equal partners in the pleasurable enterprise, and both girls were both absolutely concerned that i should be included in any conversation. this made for a wonderful experience,
falling in love with a prostitute.
i feel very ambivalent about this trip. i had intended this to be a "farewell to two years of mongering" trip, as i am seriously thinking of making an honest woman out of my novia before the end of this year. (i need the tax break.) yet here i am at age almost 55 having wonderful, wonderful sex with an array of gorgeous young women with smooth silky skin, beguiling eyes, and tight little pussies. the sex has never been better or more enjoyable. i am still able to have sex without chemical enhancement, though on trips like this a single pill of generic tadalafil provides a certain amount of penile reinforcement that makes the whole thing easier, especially when you are combatting the dulling effects of condoms, the area in which "home sex" has the greatest advantage, as condom-free sex is hugely preferable.
when i read on the internet at the del rey that well-known movie actor kevin costner, who is a tad younger than i, is in trouble for exposing himself and masturbating in front of a masseuse at a top-class scottish hotel, then i have to think that he would be much happier if his fame and recognition factor didn't make it impossible for him to spend a couple of days at the hotel del rey. so if my sex life is in better shape than that of a famous actor, then i have much to be thankful for.
on the other hand, by the end of this trip i was ready to go home. i had fallen a little in love with ariana, especially as she clung to me in hotel lobby as i waited for my taxi to the airport, planting little kisses on my neck, and extracting a (probably worthless) promise that i would call her. the trouble is that phone calls would only lead to further visits, and when she falls on hard times there will be requests for money that will be hard for me to refuse. ariana is only twenty-two, immature for her age, and has already had two husbands, who shes says were "malos" and beat her because they were jealous. i am almost fifty-five, so the age gap is ridiculous. she also says that many gringos who hire her are "malos" because they are drunks or are cocainistas.
like former senator and viagra spokesperson bob dole, she likes to refer to herself in the third person, which is a little odd, and points to probable emotional complications. unlike bob dole, she is unlikely to get a lucrative contract from pfizer as she is directly in competition with their product which enables men to have sex with woman to whom they are not attracted (like their wives).
her current ambition is a modest one: to find someone who will take her on vacation to san andres island in colombia so that she can be a "tourista", but i think that long term she is angling at a shot at getting to the us.
and that probably is the end-game for all of these girls. it was no fluke that one of the dominicana's asked me whom my estate was willed. getting money for sex is the short term objective to ensure day-to-day survival, but what they really want is a future, someone who will love them and keep them safe, in other words, a ring on their finger. the prostitutes who make the best sexual partners are the ones who are most emotionally needy and therefore potentially the most dangerous. for me to continue talk to ariana is to potentially harm my novia and her family, and the whole situation is absolutely no different from the eternal wife and other woman triangle that had probably existed since we all lived in caves. so i don't think i can go back to costa rica, because to go and not see ariana would be like going to a college reunion and avoiding all your friends, yet to see her would be to engage in an ongoing relationship that will veer out of control.
most single men, lured by cheap and easy sex, who take up residence is countries like the dominican republic and costa rica seem to end up cohabiting with or marrying girls they originally paid for sex. these marriages and relationships are absolutely real, and not for play. the participants have sex, certainly, but they also care for each other in sickness and in health, provide safe homes for children, and fulfill family responsibilities in caring for elders and less fortunate relatives. in other words, they are just like ordinary families.
traveling home by plane, i could hardly fail to notice that the american airlines flight magazine contained no less than three full- or double-page ads placed by matchmaking services whose pitch goes something like this. "you are a successful man, and you deserve a great wife, but you probably don't have time to find one. we will do this for you, if you pay us a lot of money. " there is never any explanation of where these women come from. from the tone of the advertisements the least one would expect would be a member of the kennedy clan, but i have to wonder whether these mysterious women are actually any better than the prostitutes you can meet on your own without the services of a middleperson. i am sure that ariana would make a busy executive very happy and would try terribly hard to be a good wife and mother, especially if he did not beat her.
in the end, perhaps, sex tourism is just another way of meeting people and making friends.
prostitution faq
the theory of *****mongering
my first theorem of mongering, is unashamedly based on david sklansky's theory of poker, and which explains what prostitution is all about.
the amount that men will pay for sex is related to the gap between the sex they are paying for and the sex that they could get for free. the amount that women will charge is to some extent related to the gap between the sexual partner that they would choose for themselves and what you, the client, represent. men will pay in two ways. firstly they pay with money, and secondly they will pay in terms of diminished sexual response and performance on the part of the woman which will devalue the sexual experience. the gap concept dictates that you will get best value for money by minimizing the gap. the prostitutes who make the best sexual partners are the ones who are most emotionally needy, therefore they are also potentially the most dangerous.
so how do you minimize the gap? here's how. the sex that you can get for free is related to your own level of sexual attractiveness.components include age, weight, looks, personal charm, hygiene, grooming, dress, and personal habits such as smoking and drinking. personal attractiveness, like risk factors for heart disease, can be divided into factors that you can change and those that you can't-age being the most obvious example of one that you can't change. (hair dye and plastic surgery only makes it look worse, as you can see by looking at politicians and preachers on tv). therefore if you want to get the best value for your money in mongering, you need to maximize your appeal, by, for example, losing weight or quitting smoking, dressing well, learning spanish or the language of the country you are going to. if you don't do these things then you need to be aware that you are making decisions that mean you won't get maximum value for your mongering dollar and just accept that fact. additionally, you may want to consider selecting a partner who is closer to you own level of attractiveness, rather than one who is totally gorgeous and knows it.
what's the best way to make love to a prostitute?
firstly you need to remember that she is a woman first and a prostitute second, so you should treat her like any date, that is respectfully and gently. human courtship has established procedures, and although in an encounter with a prostitute they may be accelerated, they should not be skipped completely. so first you talk, you flirt with the eyes, you compliment her on her appearance, you move to touching gently in non sexual areas, and then the face, so on. you must establish at each checkpoint that she is at ease with you before you move on to the next. you skip a stage at your peril. you never handle her roughly, or stick your tongue in her mouth, or your fingers in her vagina, unless you are 100% certain this will be welcomed. allow her to take the lead in these things. your job is to arouse her by touching her gently and hinting at what is to come.
are prostitutes really orgasmic with their clients?
i know that most women who read this will be rooting for the answer to be "no, never, they always fake it to flatter their foolish male clients. " and, yes, this may be true sometimes or even often, but all the same prostitutes often do enjoy the sex with their clients and have orgasms. you can read online blogs written by prostitutes that testify to this, but even just taking a common sense approach will tend to take you to the same conclusion. here's why. most prostitutes do not have steady boyfriends or husbands, because the nature of the job forbids it. therefore their job is their sex life, and if they enjoy sex, then being able to have sex with a variety of partners is very much an occupational perk. of course there will be many times when they have no rapport with the client and find them generally unarousing, but they will also encounter good lovers who are attractive, gentle and kind and with whom they very much enjoy the sex-and why not?
is she faking it?
maybe, but if she is, you probably should take it as a compliment, because she wants to please you. personally i find that this matter is a bit like determining whether bet on the end in poker is a bluff or not. you have to look at the whole history of the way your opponent has played the hand to see whether their betting has been consistent. i notice that many women will bite their top lip and rapidly suck their breath through their teeth when the sexual tension is building. this is a good sign. also, i generally always try to be a little "off the pace". that means that at whatever speed the woman wants to thrust her hips, you move just a little slower than she wants, which builds up tension and frustration prior to release. if she keeps trying to up the pace, then she is reaching for her orgasm, and this is a good sign. a huge indicator is if when she reaches the plateau stage of arousal prior to orgasm, the outer part of her vagina becomes more congested and squeezes you tightly. if you are stimulating her orally and she suddenly becomes extremely sensitive and pushes you away, this is also positive. if the signs of orgasm come out of nowhere, or are continuous from the moment of penetration, then you have to wonder if she is faking it. if she says something like "wow i really needed that", that is a sign that is strongly diagnostic of orgasm. some women make a lot of noise when they orgasm, some are very quiet and almost imperceptible.
so women have orgasms in many different ways, and just as in poker, sometimes you will never know if it was a bluff or not.
i will occasionally fake an orgasm myself, if it is my second go around and i am getting tired and want to call it a day. however, never try this with a dominicana as they will invariably demand visible proof of orgasm. if they catch you cheating, you will be made to go back and do it all over again, because they take sex very personally.
penis size, does it matter?
ah, if only this question could be answered definitively. what i do know is that from time to time girls at my friend's brothel will actually turn down a client if he is too big, because they say he will hurt them, and they will end up bruised and unable to have sex for a few days. they never refuse a client for being too small. one girl oddly refused a guy on the grounds of his excessive size, but said that she would have anal sex with him. however he didn't want anal, so eventually a switch to a more commodious female partner was negotiated. what this suggests to me is that a guy who is overendowed is much more likely to have prob lems than one who packs less heft in his pants, and that the male heroes of porno movies probably have a hard time getting laid off the job-though presumably when they get home to their wives after a hard day, or a day hard at the office, the last thing they would want is sex.
are these prostitutes you write about really all that attractive?
yes, i'm afraid they are. you see, they are the real thing--attractive young women in their early twenties, brimming with estrogen. in the united states broadcast and print media like to present us with images of women who are held up as models of attractiveness--typically actresses and popular singers-- but comparing them with prostitutes i know is like putting an old master painting alongside a "school of" painting. once you experience the quality of the real thing, imitations won't do any more.
a vast industry exists to sell products like clothes, cosmetics, diet foods, exercise programs to american women to help them look more like prostitutes, so clearly the last thing corporate interests want anyone to be allowed to say in corporate-owned media is that these products are a complete waste of money. but the honest truth is that if you took, for example, much-admired singer jennifer lopez and placed her in the blue marlin bar at the hotel del rey, and took away her expensive hair stylist, designer clothes, professional makeup, and flattering lighting, she would just be another short and dumpy also-ran--not really competitive with class acts like mariana. if the jennifer lopez's and others of her ilk are just "school of", what does that make the rest of the you. s. female population? later copies, probably, or, if plastic surgery has been used, outright forgeries.
but unlike the priestesses of the ancient temples of diana, these contemporary american goddesses do not deliver the goods. they are paid huge amounts of money to endorse products that help women to look like prostitutes, but they don't have sex with their admirers, so their ersatz sexiness never gets road-tested by ordinary consumers. real prostitutes are the real deal, they have to get naked with people at close quarters.
meanwhile, in smalls towns of america, like the one where i live, patriotic american women are patriotically consuming huge quantities of food, preferably fast, and consequently becoming hugely and patriotically fat. some of them look in the mirror and don't like what they see, and are then allowed to join the alternative program that allows them to buy huge quantities of foods with words like "diet" and "weight-loss" on the packaging and talk to other women about their diet. moving deckchairs on the titanic is fine, but the one thing the food industry, cannot afford to do is to let the american woman actually eat less. although she may embrace, and in my part of the world overwhelmingly does embrace, religious fundamentalism, gluttony, which was once one of the seven deadly sins, is never preached against, though lust will definitely get you hellbent.
this makes it sound, perhaps, as if i am obsessed with finding slim women, and that i have difficulty accepting the normal female body. nothing could be further from the truth. my novia is actually more slender than my ideal, and my preference is only for an adequately nourished, healthy, athletic, female partner who weighs less than two hundred pounds. at five feet eight inches tall.
disclaimer: what i have said here does not apply to all american women, but it does apply to most. my apologies to anyone who may have felt unjustifiably criticized. my intention is not to hurt the feelings of individuals, but to point out that the culture of consumption and competitive eating makes american women en masse less sexy.
isn't sex with prostitutes very impersonal?
it can be, but it is like any other kind of relationship-you have to work at it. paying for sex does not in itself buy intimacy, but intimacy can sometimes coexist with paid sex.
are you a sex addict? you must be!
must i? i'm not too sure what a sex addict is, if there is really such a beast, but i don't think i am one. i certainly don't think about sex all the time, and can go weeks without much interest in sex, especially when i am pursuing some other project that interests me. i am not really interested in reading about sex or watching pornography. i would say, though, that in my experience most of the novelty of sex with a new partner wears off in six months or so and that after that point it stimulates my imagination less than sex with a new partner. i truly envy people who are happy with lifelong monogamy and who mate for life like penguins, some preachers, and all politicians. for anyone whose life has this pattern, like my three sisters, i have nothing but admiration. their lives must be so much simpler than mine, they are invariably better off financially than i, and they don't have to deal with the chore of introducing new partners to the family at christmas.
web links:
hotel del rey [url]www.delreyhotel.com/[/url] costa rica tourism [url]www.visitcostarica.com/[/url] american airlines [url]www.aa.com[/url] national museum of costa rica [url]http://www.infocostarica.com/culture/museums.html[/url] wikipedia on sex tourism [url]http: //en. wikipedia.org/wiki/sex_tourism[/url] wikipedia on costa rica [url]http: //en. wikipedia.org/wiki/costa_rica[/url]
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I arrived at the Irazu Hotel this afternoon. It was suggested to me a few months ago.
I see that there are signs and posters around the hotel and in the rooms stating that they do not allow prostitution. So, does that mean they are not GF anymore??
Has anyone had any recent experiance with the hotel bring someone into their room?
Let me know, I may have to move.
Thanks
Youdoo2, I went by Pirates Club last week without my CRT card. They didn't charge me a cover, and the charge for an hour was $50. I think the only advantage of the CRT membership is you get a free drink.
The rooms are really nice -- much nicer than Zona Blue IMHO. The women were mediocre in the looks department, but the service I got from a Nica was outstanding. She was either very passionate or a very good actress. She deserved an academy award for fuc*king. There were 6 or 7 women there and about 4 customers. My LBFM said most of the clients there are locals.
Hacke Beck, it is on Avenida 10, between Calle 12 and Calle 14, closer to Calle 14. It used to be Bar Dandy. They have a web site.
[QUOTE=Youdoo2]Ive been to the pirate club. It is located on avenida 10, it has a 5500 colones cover charge(this gets you 3 beers or 2 well drinks) but the website says there isnt any. The girls there are pretty good, the rooms are NICE. you get an hour session for $100 ($50 if you are a CRT member). All and all it isnt a bad place for the $50 a session.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DarkRum] I agree the girls, particularly DR girls, have gotten a little out of hand. Or maybe this whole international mongering thing has just gone haywire any more all woman think they have to do is show up with bigger boobs an ass implant and it's a guaranteed $100 for an hour or at least until she trys to get you to cum in a nano second.
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That is a fantastic description. I went there once last week and left with a 19 year old cutie with breast implants. She asked me why I wouldn't give her a tip or pay her taxi. I told her because she was too professional and wouldn't kiss. Her response -- next time, I'll be much better because now we know each other. Yeah, right.
I'll be heading back to CR in February, having been there once in 2001, and I've been reading all the posts to catch up on what's happening there. I have two questions, actually: The MP's (NF, IDEM, ZB, etc.) seem to have a real discrepency in prices. I'm seeing as low as $24/hour and upwards of $100 (Pirates). Are prices related to quality? Second, what hours are these places usually open until? I seem to remember IDEM is open late, but I'm not sure. Do they all tend to shut down around 9? Thanks in advance for your help, guys!
Are prices related to quality? Define quality. I'd divide that up into quality of the establishment itself, quality of the appearance and selection of the chicas and quality of the performance the chicas provide. On all of those to a greater or lesser extent prices do NOT relate to quality. Of course the same truth applies to sessions you have with chicas you take back to your room. On the first measure, quality of the establishment, there is the greatest direct correlation, on the 2nd there is some correlation with certain exceptions and I guess you could say the same thing. It should also be noted that there is no direct correlation between looks and quality of performance and many might argue the exact opposite - that there is an inverse relationship.
Second, what hours are these places usually open until? Here is a case by case rundown of the places you mentioned to answer all your questions
New Fantasy: Hours: 9-9 M-S 9-5 on Sun Rates: 18K/hr & 10K/half
Nice facilities with a/c, full beds, sauna, steamroom. Has a seperate waiting area for the clients (huh?)
Many girls of various quality looks waiting in a room behind a smoked one-way mirror for the timid (I recommend you walk around the mirror so you can get a better look
I've had good sessions and I've had bad there, it helps to know who to pick and who not to pick.
IDEM: Hours: 3PM-midnight M-S Rates: 19K/hr upstairs 22K/hr downstairs
Has a bar area downstairs where you can buy an overpriced drinkwhile making your selection. Rooms have full beds, downstairs room has a/c
Many girls of various quality looks waiting along wall of bar
Last few sessions I've had here have been somewhat dissapointing, with lackluster performance and attempts by chicas to upsell.
Zona Blue: Hours: 9-9 M-S 10-6 on Sun Rates: 24K/hr 16K/half CRT disc: 17K/hr 12K/half
Very nice factilties with a/c regular beds, steam, sauna, showers in rooms, nice bar area, and even a cigar bar.
Many chicas of various quality looks
All Sessions I've had or heard about have been very positive. Chicas are freindly in the bar area and will even mingle with guests and that translates to the quality of sessiion once you get back to the room.
Oasis: Hours: 9AM-Midnight M-F, 10AM-5PM Sat Rates: 10K/hr
Facilties only fair no a/c(?), high massage tables, showers but no other special features
Smaller selection of girls, not quite as attractive as the other places mentioned so far but that could just be due to the smaller selection, cometimes you can find a real looker and of course beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Last time I went the girls were all busy except for one I didn't like so I just went around the corner to Their sister MP and had a great session with a little spinner.
Gernally great performances especially considering what they get paid. If you liked the old Arte's Sauna you'd like this place.
Pirates: Hours similar to IDEM Rates: seem to be still adjusting as this place finds its niche but have been $100/hr or $50 with CRT card. They need business and I suspect the rates can be negotiated lower still.
Facilities are very nice. Nice bar area on the first floor with rooms on the 2nd, a/c lots of wood paneling full beds, one even has a dancing pole in it.
Few chicas fair to middlin in appearance so far
Session quality much better than the looks, when I visited I didn't session (ended up with a 8K half hour very business liek session at Molino Rojo but thats another story) but the chicas were all smiley and very friendly and that may be you best indicator of potential session quality as much as how nice you think they look.
New Fantasy is open Sundays from 10 - 7.
Prices per hour at Idem are 22,000 colones upstairs and 25,000 colones downstairs.
Otra vez, I walked into Pirates last week WITHOUT a CRT card and was charged $50 for an hour, without negotiating. When asked where I heard about them, I said the internet, but never mentioned CRT. My masseuse told me the majority of their customers are Costa Rican. No way a Costa Rican is going to pay $100. The facilities are way nicer than the competition, but there are more women with marginally better looks on average (IMHO) in IDEM and ZB. Those are the only other MP's I've been to.
[QUOTE=Prolijo]Pirates: Hours similar to IDEM Rates: seem to be still adjusting as this place finds its niche but have been $100/hr or $50 with CRT card. .[/QUOTE]
Talk about a well written and extensive view of the "hobby". You have coevered quite a number of areas that many men think of- but not able to express on paper. You have a report that should be in the Hall of Fame - distinction beyond compare. I applaud your expose on prostitution and all the other facets for us mongers to read and compare ourselves to. Keep up the great written work. And I can't imagine what it would be like if you included photos.
[QUOTE=Supertigre]Why sex, though? Well, I don't know if I can fully explain, but some folks like football, golf, hunting, drinking, smoking, cocaine. I don't care much for any of these, but I love sex with beautful women. Recently a Jacksonville newspaper columnist announced that the college football draft was better than sex. I take the opposite view. Given a choice between sex with a beautiful woman and the college football draft, call me stupid if you will, and I know many people will find this a marginal call, but I will always opt for making love.[/QUOTE]
Great report Supertigre. I totally agree with you on this statement, but I am wondering if some guys think this way, but are afraid to display it.
I am a US GI and all my friends know about my mongering and when they want to go out on the town, they always want me to be their guide. One even told me that "he lives variously through me" (stories/pics). That thinking leads me to believe that they also want to do what I do, but are afraid or scared to try it. I have taken at least 20 guys to a massage palor for their first time and if I didn't take then, they said that they wouldn't of went.
First of all, that was a great report.
I don't think anyone that posts on this website thinks you are a sicko, weirdo, or some sort of pervert.
There are plenty of us that monger. That's what this website is about. there are even many more mongerers that don't even know about this website.
Now as far as your average citizen, they might think what we do is bad, or perverted. But, if anyone of us decided to stop mongering, the world and prostitution would live on.
I have taken many vacations just for mongering, and I don't regret what I have done, or the many thousands of dollars I have spent.
So, there is no need to explain your mongering to your fellow mongerers on this website.
Happy Mongering!
You put into words what I have thought, but just could not describe.
I have gone on trips just to be with new ladies and to visit some that I have
had a nice time with before.
Several of my friends have told me that my adventures give them great joy.
They want to go with me, but for various reasons cannot.
So I always help them out by having some nice photos of the girls along with the fun stories that go with them.
I also believe strongly in treating the girls well. That extends to all aspects of being with them. From nice complements, to nice dinners and outings to see the town. It is best in my opinion to slightly overpay. The girl is happy and you will probably get better service. Plus, you are more likely to turn that one or two hour session into a TLN at no additional charge. That is priceless.
Your American girl concept is correct. Far too much food and not enough excersise. Most look like versions of Humpty Dumpty. Not at all like the thin and in shape foreign competition. The only reason the divorce rate is not even higher is the extreme cost to "dump the plump".
Anyway, great job Supertigre.
As everyone else said, Great report Supertigre. I just posted a pic of a girl in the photo section that I believe is your Dominicana named Carolina. Is Carolina the girl in the picture?
[QUOTE=Gagoo]First of all, that was a great report.
I don't think anyone that posts on this website thinks you are a sicko, weirdo, or some sort of pervert.
There are plenty of us that monger. That's what this website is about. there are even many more mongerers that don't even know about this website.
Now as far as your average citizen, they might think what we do is bad, or perverted. But, if anyone of us decided to stop mongering, the world and prostitution would live on.
I have taken many vacations just for mongering, and I don't regret what I have done, or the many thousands of dollars I have spent.
So, there is no need to explain your mongering to your fellow mongerers on this website.
Happy Mongering![/QUOTE]Thanks for your comments. That article was not originally written for this board, as I explained at the beginning, and I did not have time to edit it for content, hence some irrelevant material. However I hope it will have been helpful to some.
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[QUOTE=Allover]As everyone else said, Great report Supertigre. I just posted a pic of a girl in the photo section that I believe is your Dominicana named Carolina. Is Carolina the girl in the picture?[/QUOTE]No, a) the girl in your picture is not my type, and b) I changed the names of all the girls.
Sex and sexual attraction are such a personal thing, that I don't think it is much good trying to track down girls who other people have had a good time with.
The other factor is that the personnel (girls) is constantly changing, and while some girls may be on the scene for a long time, the ones who are newer to the game are probably more rewarding to spend time with.
[QUOTE=Supertigre]This is part of an unpublished article based on notes I made on my one and ony trip to Costa Rica, where I stayed at the Del Rey Hotel for two nights. This was not originally written for a mongering board, but may be of interest anyway.[/QUOTE]Wow what a report. I am starting a fishing trip with a few days in San Jose. I think you answered all of my questions before I asked the.
hey, not really sure what you are going by these days....i always like chase star..but did you make it to san jose.?i thought you were going last month and i havnt seen any trip reports from you, but i still see you posting under prolijo.
hope nothing happen to you to make you miss your trip....i see where some crt"s guys are getting together on sat (12/16) at the wing house..i am going to miami to see the heat play so i cant make it..anyway if you did make it to san jose i would like to hear some stories and did you find any new places ...i told member 2666 you were coming into town but i wasnt sure of the dates, i still think it would be a blast to hang with the 2 of you in san jose as i look at the both of you being experts on san jose !!!!! take care chilimike
Hey CM,
Yeah, I made it. I've been meaning to sit down and write a full trip report but you know how that goes sometimes. About half my trip was non-mongering (climbing Mt. Chirripo, checking out Dominical). The short version of the mongering portion goes something like this. Very nice Thanksgiving dinner with friends at the SL. Mediocre session at IDEM with the chica posted below(sorry forgot her name). A couple of the usual outstanding sessions with a favorite New Fantasy chica, who I'll leave nameless but who many of you may already know. And a surprisingly nice session with a little tica spinner named Paola from the little MP I went to around the corner from Oasis when Oasis's selection turned out to be lacking. Sorry, no photos of my other chicas that I can post. Also had a decent but not exceptional session (except for the price) with a hottie at Molino Rojo. My hunt elsewhere such as at the BM could best be summarized as hit or miss. As is so often the case, had a good time but it was way too short and always got the sense that the best ones were the ones that got away. But I made some promising contacts for my future trips if those chicas are still around.
I did get more photos, details and corrections for my map which I've been mainly focusing on updating since I got back rather than writing a long trip report. But if you guys really want another long-ass and complete "Prolijo post" I can always shift projects. [b]: >[/b]
Maybe next time we can have our chapter meeting at Chili's instead of Hooters. I know the manager at the one in Clearwater.
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edit: oops, my bad. getting my chicas mixed up here. that first pic wasn't the one from IDEM. She was a chica I met at the SL dinner. Really, really hot looking but my little head must have been doing all my thinking. Note that, unlike the other 2 pics of chicas I recommended, this one couldn't break a smile. That should have been a dead give-away but my mind was on the rest of her. she was all business and didn't deliver back at my room. CBJ only, no DATY, no besos, non-responsive clock watcher. YMMV but I'd avoid her if I were you.
post the damm report ...for us unlucky bastards stuck here in the us...you post 3 photos...and i want all 3 of them, the second "paola" i have seen her i am sure and cant remember where, is she a bm girl? do you have some more photos of her....can you please pump up some posting of photos and some trip reports .
My next trip isnt until march so i need to live though guys that are in or who have just got back from san jose....are you meeting up with the crt guys on sat...? if my boss didnt get me tickets for the heat game already i would be there, a friend and i went to bare assets (new port richey) last week and for a florida strip bar it was fun...and if i had to bet i would say , one could score some outside action with some of the girls...hey if you have some photos please post ..i really like your picks of the ticas....M-2666 took me to some hide in the wall M.P "s on my last trip, i have no ideal how that guy remembers where these places are....since you didnt say anything , i guess the 2 of you didnt hook up......as for a meeting at my place....i tell my staff i go to san jose for the fishing...
Yeah Chilli. The PINK SNAPPER pesca is great in San Jose.
Just wondering, I have been watching the airfare from New York to SJO for the last year or so. When I was there 2 years ago I spent $240 round trip to get there. Now the same flight is $550+/- is this the case from other destinations.? Has there been a new tax? Just a shame since it used to be a bargain but now costs as much as a ticket to Peru or Columbia for me.
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Ender, ever since the spike in fuel cost all ticket prices have increased. In August of 2005, I flew for $350 w/taxes from LAX to SJO. I'm headed down in 15 days and have spent $650 w/taxes. Around August seems to be the cheapest time to go to CR, due to it being the off season. I keep checkin Travelocity.com and Ticotravel.com. Make your dates flexible.
[QUOTE=Ender]Just wondering, I have been watching the airfare from New York to SJO for the last year or so. When I was there 2 years ago I spent $240 round trip to get there. Now the same flight is $550+/- is this the case from other destinations.? Has there been a new tax? [/QUOTE]
Other than some US taxes, (which would amount for $10-$20 per ticket, 9-11 fees, etc) it's all because of market forces. The price does fluctuate a bit throughout the year. If you buy at high season, it can be $500-$600. I've booked a $200 plus tax flight on AA this year, and you can usually get a $300 all in fare if you pick your dates right.
Here's a site that I use:
[url]http://www.farecompare.com/search/year.html?departure=NYC&destination=SJO[/url]
You can set it to send an alert if the price goes down below a certain point. You can also get a first class seat for $300 more if that's important to you.
I work in the Aircraft fuel field and in the last 18 months, Jet fuel has gone from (wholesale) $1.40US a gallon to $2.60US a gallon. Say, on a Trans Atlantic flight of 6000 miles, it is costing the airline around $16,000US more for fuel then it did 18 months ago.
A business associate told me that the problem isn't the cost of oil...the US doesn't have enough refineries (supply/demand). Katrina damaged three refineries and gas spiked to over $3 a gallon, now that they are back on line, gas has dropped again. So his reasoning seems correct.
My first trip to the gulch was a quick overnight. I liked the Presidante Hotel.no smoke and no noise. I hung out at the BM for several hours just to see what everyone was talking about. I met some really good guys at the BM, but the atmosphere gets kinda old for me after a few hours (especially since I do not smoke). I had dinner with a cute spinner and took her back to the Presidente. She had a great body, but lacked enthusiasm. Later, I brought another chica back. She had a good attitude, but I was disappointed to see that she had a somewhat flabby tummy.
The next morning I set out on a massage journey. I took a cab to the Oasis and checked out several spots in that area. Then I went to the New Fantasy and Zona Blue. NF was a really nice looking place, but not many girls were on duty. ZB was ok, but I found a decent lady there and had a good time.
I really like CR and SJO because the people are so friendly and indeed there are many beautiful chicas. This is just personal preference, but next time I am in SJO, I will probably spend less time at the BM and more time at NF.
Cheers
[QUOTE=Robbaf]I work in the Aircraft fuel field and in the last 18 months, Jet fuel has gone from (wholesale) $1.40US a gallon to $2.60US a gallon. Say, on a Trans Atlantic flight of 6000 miles, it is costing the airline around $16,000US more for fuel then it did 18 months ago.
A business associate told me that the problem isn't the cost of oil...the US doesn't have enough refineries (supply/demand). Katrina damaged three refineries and gas spiked to over $3 a gallon, now that they are back on line, gas has dropped again. So his reasoning seems correct.[/QUOTE]
Jet Fuel A (a type of kerosene) does not fluctuate as much as standard gasoline prices. According to this government report, it was only $1.67 per gallon in January of this year.
[url]http://www.house.gov/transportation/aviation/02-15-06/02-15-06memo.html[/url]
Most airlines base their pricing on the competition rather than their costs. So you will pay $500 to fly 350 miles from a small airport, but only charge $249 to fly 6000 miles to a very competitive market, say LAX-LGW.
If you fly from a small market, it might be fiscally better to drive 100 miles, you could save hundreds of dollars. Expedia has a nice option that one you select the city and see the pricing for your trip, you can pull down a menu with other nearby airports and price your same flight departing from there.
Many routes are seasonal. So you'll pay $500 to fly to Costa Rica right now from most major US cities, but may pay half of that in early March. Many airlines attack other carriers base cities, so CO may offer low fares from Phoenix, Philadelphia and Charlotte to fight US Air/America West, while Delta may offer low fares from Houston, and American may be cheap from Atlanta.
If you set up a fare alert ([url]www.farecompare.com[/url] is my favorite), then you'll get an email when the price falls below a certain price. Most of these sales are unannounced, and may last hours or just a few days.
[QUOTE=Falcon77]My first trip to the gulch was a quick overnight. I liked the Presidante Hotel -no smoke and no noise. I hung out at the BM for several hours just to see what everyone was talking about. I met some really good guys at the BM, but the atmosphere gets kinda old for me after a few hours (especially since I do not smoke). I had dinner with a cute spinner and took her back to the Presidente. She had a great body, but lacked enthusiasm. Later, I brought another chica back. She had a good attitude, but I was disappointed to see that she had a somewhat flabby tummy.
The next morning I set out on a massage journey. I took a cab to the Oasis and checked out several spots in that area. Then I went to the New Fantasy and Zona Blue. NF was a really nice looking place, but not many girls were on duty. ZB was ok, but I found a decent lady there and had a good time.
I really like CR and SJO because the people are so friendly and indeed there are many beautiful chicas. This is just personal preference, but next time I am in SJO, I will probably spend less time at the BM and more time at NF.
Cheers[/QUOTE]Pot Belly's are pretty common down there--that's what 2 or 3 little one's will do to a girl--and a high carb diet of beans and rice helps. So is droopy ass. Those jeans come off and gravity sets in.
Hello,
I have question for the Board. I have often visited Brazil and at times wanted one of girls to come back to U.S. and stay awhile and I mean awhile. I recently visited CR, I had a wonder time. One of things I like was older women then those in Brazil and women which have visas. Well here is my question. I have a Columbian, whom I meet who as a visa. She would like to come to U.S. to visit but I am little concern because it seems the Columbian girls are not viewed favorable in Costa Rica. Is there some beef among them and Costa Rican women.? Also, it seems guys have been giving mix reviews on Columbian women as far as attitude. Is this true? By the way she works at Del Ray.
Any advice would be great before I decide to let her come to visit.
Do they punch a clock I saw girls slide their id when coming in Del Ray, always forget to ask.
Thanks
It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks of Colombians in general.
You need to know what the deal is with this particular woman.
You need to figure that out for yourself.
And no matter how well you think you know her, you need to protect yourself at all times.
[QUOTE=Usboys]I have question for the Board. I have often visited Brazil and at times wanted one of girls to come back to U.S. and stay awhile and I mean awhile. I recently visited CR, I had a wonder time. One of things I like was older women then those in Brazil and women which have visas. Well here is my question. I have a Columbian, whom I meet who as a visa. She would like to come to U.S. to visit but I am little concern because it seems the Columbian girls are not viewed favorable in Costa Rica. Is there some beef among them and Costa Rican women.? Also, it seems guys have been giving mix reviews on Columbian women as far as attitude. Is this true? By the way she works at Del Ray.
Any advice would be great before I decide to let her come to visit.
Do they punch a clock I saw girls slide their id when coming in Del Ray, always forget to ask.
[/QUOTE]
The girls aren't employee's, I think they just check ID's to make sure they're of legal age.
If she has a visa to the US, it means she's probably gone before. If you wish to pay her a lot, or pay for her trip so she can "work", great. I would be hesitant to bring any working girl to visit for longer than a month.
I don't know much about Colombian chicas, but I know that some of them have muled for dealers, so that's something to keep in your head. I think the reason many Tica's don't like them, is that they are pretty aggressive, and some of them are very hot, and take away their business.
[QUOTE=Usboys]Hello,
I have question for the Board. I have often visited Brazil and at times wanted one of girls to come back to U.S. and stay awhile and I mean awhile. I recently visited CR, I had a wonder time. One of things I like was older women then those in Brazil and women which have visas. Well here is my question. I have a Columbian, whom I meet who as a visa. She would like to come to U.S. to visit but I am little concern because it seems the Columbian girls are not viewed favorable in Costa Rica. Is there some beef among them and Costa Rican women.? Also, it seems guys have been giving mix reviews on Columbian women as far as attitude. Is this true? By the way she works at Del Ray.
Any advice would be great before I decide to let her come to visit.
Do they punch a clock I saw girls slide their id when coming in Del Ray, always forget to ask.
Thanks[/QUOTE]I think that scanner checks their personal information. It's not a time punch.
[QUOTE=Usboys]Hello,
I have question for the Board. I have often visited Brazil and at times wanted one of girls to come back to U.S. and stay awhile and I mean awhile. I recently visited CR, I had a wonder time. One of things I like was older women then those in Brazil and women which have visas. Well here is my question. I have a Columbian, whom I meet who as a visa. She would like to come to U.S. to visit but I am little concern because it seems the Columbian girls are not viewed favorable in Costa Rica. Is there some beef among them and Costa Rican women.? Also, it seems guys have been giving mix reviews on Columbian women as far as attitude. Is this true? By the way she works at Del Ray.
Any advice would be great before I decide to let her come to visit.
Do they punch a clock I saw girls slide their id when coming in Del Ray, always forget to ask.
Thanks[/QUOTE]That scanner is to check personal information. Not for a clock punch. The girls don't work for the hotel.
Columbianas are my least favorite in SJO. With exception of one who is in her early 30's. I have found them to be "dollar worshipers" and "clock watchers".
I have found them to be tough on business deals, too.
But each to his own . . . Good luck!
Wow! I have been to SJO twice without writing a follow-up review. My last trip was over a month ago but here it is.
I arrived on Monday mid-afternoon and stayed at the usual Hotel Morazon. It always comes with a few minor inconveniences, but this time there were more than usual. The undependable elevator was out of order, so Ricardo put me on the 2nd floor. The room smelled of mildew and it was visible around the ceiling in the shower. Fearing for my health, I demanded a different room the next morning and they moved to my usual on the 4th floor. Oh yeah. the elevator was fixed, by then. The free internet was hit/miss because they had not fixed the wiring. The room charge $39/night and no extra charge for guests.
I have an ATF Nica, but had told her I'd be there Tuesday, so I could do some scouting on Monday. One of her friends saw me checking in and called her. Oh well. I didn't really need to go to DR or NF anyhow.
I did make it to both places a few times during the week that I was there. I' had a routine to watch the scenery at DR, then participate at NF. There was a tall, really Nica at NF. Can't remember her name, but she had little bit of a stomach, (like I should talk) and took a little time to warm up. If she is still there, I'd take for a drive again.
Not sure what, if anything, is going on at Bar Monaco, as I did not make it there again.
I had breakfast almost everyday at News Cafe, which is still a good scene and a good view. However, I had a little problem with the food at the DR Restaurant this time. When I was here in August I had a great seabass dinner, that came with a great cream sauce including mussels and baby shrimp. I ordered the same meal this time and the seabass tasted like it had been frozen for a year. When I asked Pedro why it tasted so different, he said that I had fresh seabass in August, but this was frozen. I told him, if it's frozen next time, I'd just order something else.
Here's a hint to make a few points with the new hotel manager. Take a small bag of sugarfree chocolate and give it to him, when you see him. He has a diabetic son who wants chocolate, but sugarfree is so expensive. When I was there in August, he said " please bring a bag of sugarfree candy when you come back and my son will be very happy." When I returned in November with the candy, I could no wrong.
Have a safe holiday season.
Impressive report, Supertigre! I was in CR several times, last time in 2003, and needed some update on what's going on, since I plan to go to SJ soon.
With all do respect, before we make judgement on Colombian women, let us understand "we" are making judgement on Colombian women "living" in another country, other than their own (Col.). After all, things were bad enough in their own country, that they had to flee it for economic purposes. So yeah, they may be considered "dollar worshipers" & "clock watchers."
Moreover, they are surviving and struggling like all other sex workers in a full, blown-out, legalized forum (C.R.) where prostitution is legal throughout the country. In other words, it's a competitive business.
To judge a true Colombiana, take a FEW trips to locals in Colombia. (because the first & the second will cloud your judgement !!you'll want to move there.)
But after the first few trips, you really get a feel of what a non-working colombiana girl is like. Still, very passionate, sexual and sexy. It doesn't help that colombianas are considered to be one of the most gorgeous group of women in the world.
Perhaps sometimes, that's the reason why I hear Ticas talk down about them.
I never hear them (Ticas) talk down about Nicaraguense, or Salvadorenas, etc....maybe I'm not listening close enough??
But that said, let's enjoy what we got !!
happy holidays
eric7
Eric,
"With all do respect", before we make excuses for Colombian women, understand that, of course, these are all generalizations but the same argument about "Colombian women 'living' in another country, other than their own or how, after all, things were bad enough in their own country that they had to flee it for economic purposes, etc." could just as easily be applied to other working women in CR from Nicaragua, Dom. Rep., Panama etc. and yet for some reason women from those countries haven't developed the same reputation for being ruthless "dollar worshipers" & "clock watchers." Why is that? There must be some other basis for that ruthless Colombian reputation.
Sure, "they're surviving and struggling like all other sex workers in a full, blown-out, legalized forum (C.R.) where prostitution is legal throughout the country. In other words, it's a competitive business." Sound the violins. My heart bleeds. SO WHAT? The point is that they operate in the same competitive climate as every other working girl in CR and yet somehow they've managed to develop this reputation for being cold and ruthless well beyond girls from any other nationality. You'll excuse me if I don't feel sorry for them. Something else must be behind it.
My own theory is that 30 years of civil war, drug cartels with its attendant violence, kidnappings, paramilitary hit squads, assasination of police and judicial officials etc. have innured many Colombians to violence making them more prone to violence in general than most other nationalities. Columbia has the highest murder rate in the world (about 12-13 times the rate in the US or CR) and other types of crime are similarly high. Of course not all Colombians are killers, but I think it still says a lot about the Colombian general temperment.
[b]Granted non-working colombianas back in Colombia may be very different than the select few colombianas who wind up working in CR at the BM, but Qncterra wasn't talking about them.[/b] HE was talking about columbianas (sic) in SJO. And it very well may true that they're "very passionate, sexual and sexy" and "the most gorgeous group of women in the world" (equally all generalizations) but just remember you gotta take the bad with the good.
I think any supposed Tica jealousy of their "gorgeousness" such as you implied has little if anything to do with the attitudes WE have about the Colombianas. First of all, these are attitudes that we as MONGERS have about them completely independently of what the Ticas might think. For us their "gorgeousness" is not a threat but their one major plus. Our problem is all about their attitudes. And the same is probably also true on the Tica's view of Colombianas although again probably for somewhat different reasons. If anything Ticas should love Colombianas because they help drive up prices. The reason why you hear Ticas talk down about them is because of their aggressive manner.
What I have heard is that the Colombianas try, or at least tried at some point, to enforce a price floor below which the other chicas are not supposed to go and can be very threatening if they hear of any chica agreeing to a price below that. This is why you always hear the Cien asking price and why some chicas won't go lower. Of course, in economics when you try to artificially raise prices that way it causes unemployment or at least under employment (which is one of the valid arguments against raising the minimum wage in this country). Most chicas will lower their price until the point that demand once again equals supply rather than sitting around all night sticking to a price that makes no sense, but they can get a lot of grief from their Colombiana "sisters" if they find out. Thats one good reason to be quiet and discrete while negotiating at the BM. If the others don't hear what you both agree to, you're more likely to get them to agree to a lower price ("it'll be just our little secret").
"If you never hear them (Ticas) talk down about Nicaraguense, or Salvadorenas, etc.... "you definitely aren't listening close enough. There is a HUGE amount of discrimination in CR against Nicaraguans, mainly because the have so many more illegal Nicaraguan immigrants than those from Colombia (much like our mexicanos here in the US). The difference is that Nicaraguans are seen as driving down the local wages (and cause crime, strain social services, etc. and cause every other social problem they can think of blaming on them). The Colombians in CR are blamed for some of that too but much more on the violent crime and drug side of the equation than on wages and unemployment.
"and yet for some reason women from those countries haven't developed the same reputation for being ruthless "dollar worshipers" & "clock watchers. " Why is that? There must be some other basis for that ruthless Colombian reputation. "
Their is no other basis. The ones I encounter do exactally that.
I posted my first report here about Natalia, a sexy, but easily violent DR columbian that was lackluster at best the first time and in a drunken stupor, hired her a second time where disaster ensued. She actually told my tico friend "that's how we treat gringos".
To do a bit of a follow-up on that story, I have lived and worked here for a year now and I frequently go to the DR and on occasion, friends and co-workers drag me to KL [long story, read back to my earlier report so I don't bore the regulars] and some of the regulars know me. Last week I was there and there was a columbian girl who knew me and was trying to make sure I was gonna take her home. Thru out the course of dinner, a tica I also frequent approached me, sat down and went right into "GFE" mode. Sharing my fries, lighting my cigarettes, acting like we were a couple for years. Long story short, she was the one who came back home. Now, she's not a knockout as her columbian counterpart, but she goes the extra mile. BBCIMBJ, various positions, left her cell phone OFF! , gave me a great massage AFTER sex and wound up staying the night. She did the little things. Tried to make the bed and clean up messes made the night before. Had to stop her or my maid would have just watched TV all day and smoked my cigarettes =P Only dissapointment was she had to bolt before breakfast to make sure her kid got to school.
On top of that, she doesn't try to soak me for a full see-note. She never asks up front. Do I hook her up? Hell yeah. Will I have her again? Definatly.
"30 years of civil war, drug cartels with its attendant violence, kidnappings, paramilitary hit squads, assasination of police and judicial officials etc. Have innured many Colombians to violence making them more prone to violence in general than most other nationalities. "
I have a different theory: alot of first time mongers and old doods [I should be careful saying that, I'm on the cusp of being one] see these columbian hotties and pay top dollar for what in essence is about 24 minutes of sex they would never get in real life [myself included] and the columbian girls capatalize on that. [probably a few others as well, but predominantly, columbianas]
And yes, nicas are bad too. They want the money but do not want to work or preform for it. Almost like a gringa! ; )
I lable them like a IBM computer. The least ammount of computer for the maximum ammount of money.
But that said, lets enjoy what we got. But at a reasonable price and some quality behind it.
Police love me not. Err. Feliz Navidad!
Postie
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Hi,,,been a while since I've posted in the CR section but I've made many trips there and can say that the Colombianas in San Jose are there to make the money and go.i've made 3 trips to Colombia this year and on their home turf it is a big difference between the mercenary,hard core putas that frequent the Del Rey.I've met some awesome paisas ,,total gfe's,but for that you need to go to the motherland........mule
i dont have any facts to back this story up....but on my last trip i was at the sportmens and there were 3 of us sitting and watching football and we started swapping stories of the ticas we had been with on this trip. And this guy (dont recall his name) starts with some great tales and seem to be very hip on the san jose sceen....any way we start talking about colombians, and not sure if anyone knows this girl but she in in the delray everynite , she wears a black backless dress and she a hairdo that looks like something out of the 60"s and he tells me she is the "boss" of about 10 colombians and they all answer to her and she keeps tabs on all of them. So i dont think this guy is a bullshiter , so i watch her in action the next few days of my trip...sure enough i never see her go with anyone and she just walks around and around checking on her girls....i do see some of the older men hitting on her ...but i never see anyone pull the tigger on her.
I dont think she is good looking and not my type but i am sure she has some great stories to tell, and the way she works that floor she must be getting a cut from each girl...again i have no facts but after that guy gave me the heads up on her ....i feel like he knows what he is talking about !!!
There are rumors that the Colombianas at the Del Rey are part of some Colombian organized crime ring. They supposedly pay a fee to be smuggled into the country by some coyotes and then have to work off the cost. They live together with their fellow Colombianas in small groups both to save money but also so the people organizing it can keep tabs on them and those same people try to enforce how much they charge or how much they have to bring back each night. Again this may also just be rumors, but do a search on the Trata Blanca and just see what comes up. It can be very disturbing.
Chili,
You're talking about Tatiana and she is Tica...100%..I have heard the same about her but it's the same erroneous story being circulated about.
She's not a great provider but is somewhat of a go getter.
Also, she lives in her own house with 4 kids, speaks English and drives a Hyundai (sp).....
PS... she also has a red dress
To what do we owe this special treat on christmas day. But a report from #2666 and we all thought you had hung up your rubbers and ran out of gas! Good to see you posting again. What will it take to get a few photos out of you? Hey that girl is a trip. With the hair do and all! But she is trip, watching her walk that floor at the delray. I would think someone has been with her and has a little more info on her. 2666 if you get a chance go to that other site. And look in the photo section that girl from the vips 2 had her photo posted! Last girl I would have guessed to see on that site! Oh yeah. Merry christmas to all!
Ok. You those of us who go to the delray during the daytime hours. I am sure have run into this girl! Can't miss her. She has a big "scorpion tatoo on her chest. Which you can see in the vid also if you have ever talked with her. You know its her 100%. Anyway she says she is in Costa Rica and invites you to the delray where she will suck your dick (she is saying this as she is sucking some guy off) also she says "she is a costa rican tica" I myself have never been with her but the words she says on the vid are the same lines she gave to me. I always thought she was to nasty. And she has put on at 20 pounds from the first time I seen her. Says her name is cathy in the vid. Ok here is how you can see it! Go to Pued.com then go to the area labled "ulgy girls" then her vid is the second on listed or labled "ulgy ***** licking dick and gets pussy banged" its wild to see someone you know on one of these sites. About a year ago I wrote a post on her. I said something like I think she is nasty but maybe worth doing. And the next time I see her. I felt like she had read my post!
[QUOTE=Mule69]Hi,,,been a while since I've posted in the CR section but I've made many trips there and can say that the Colombianas in San Jose are there to make the money and go.i've made 3 trips to Colombia this year and on their home turf it is a big difference between the mercenary,hard core putas that frequent the Del Rey.I've met some awesome paisas ,,total gfe's,but for that you need to go to the motherland........mule[/QUOTE]
Could not have said it better myself. You are right on the mark.
I was just wondering were would be the best location to stay in San Jose that puts you in the heart of the action.
Here's my blog for my Costa Rica trip, Xmas day till the 31st:
Just got in Xmas afternoon and all is quiet here at the SL. One chica here as far as I can see. Gonna take Zebras tip and eat some grub at Hamburguesa Factory then see who's open for bizness, NF/ZB. I'll check back later.
DAY 1
The plane was cramped, seats were unconfortable on Copas red eye flight to CR. An empty customs Dept. Was found upon entry. Johanna was working the front desk. She says she gets to take off New Years eve.
I head over to New York bar to check out Bilko playing with his instrument. You guys were rockin the house! . A drunken chica stumbles on stage and tried to steal the show. You shoulda pimped slapped her Bilko *LOL*
I had dinner at El Balcon, next to New York bar. A decent Italian restaurant. The chefs special was fettuccini with lobster and shrimp for 16, 000 colons ($8).
Del Rey is next. Typically slow for Xmas day. Seems like the bottom of the barrow chicas are left. I head back to the SL to find the place void of chicas. The plan was to go back to the DR and import one but jet lag got the best of me.
DAY 2
Headed to the News Cafe for breakfast. All good seats were occupied. Had a tico breakfast then headed back to the SL to find Paradiso-ATV tours waiting for me. I forgot I had e-mailed them before hand. Gary, the owner did not have any other appointments so he gave me the VIP treatment. Gary has relocated his ATV tours buisness to a new location. He is conducting tours on privately owned property that has fantastic trails. We went from dry rock trails to semi damp rainforest trails. The scenery was breathtaking. We broke for lunch then saddled back up for a couple of more hours of tougher terrain. This tour is a must do guys. If you book on-line its $80 for the day. I left at 10 and was dropped off at 5: 30. You may purchase freshly harvested (on the property) roasted coffee beans ($5 a pound) there is also a marmalaid factory on the premises. The maramlaids are made from CR fruit and are totally organic (no sugar).
SL was still void of chicas so I headed over to New Fantasy. NF is no longer a CRT sponser. The chica behind behind the desk siad "Our prices are cheap enough as it is" 2 other chicas chimed in said "Yeah were cheap enough"? Anyway sessioned with Gilda. A little chunky but very cute. Gave a pretty decent massage and tongue bath. $40 for the hour session.
Gotta crash early for a 6: 30AM pick up for class 4 rapids
DAY 3
Did the rafting thing today. It was suppose to be class 4 rapids. It rained like hell, all night by the Picuare river. The river became class 6 & 7 and too dangerous to run. The guide said we were going to another, class 3 river that is dam controlled. What ticks me off is they did not tell us we were going to get cheated out of 1/2 a day of riding. We went into the water at 10: 30AM and got out at 12: 30pm. No way is that a full day. They filled in teh unused time by giving us a 1 1/2 hour breakfast (were waiting for somone was the excuse. Somone never arrived) and a 1 1/2 hour lunch. I wouldn't of minded if they would of communicated the situation to us. I've been on this trip 3 other times with different companies. Most folks were newbies to CR and were asking me "Is it suppose to be this short"? After I filled them in on what was going on, no propinas exchanged hands. Exploradores Outdoors will never get my $$ again.
When I returned to the SL, I got a great massage. She can make a grown man scream. Good massage. Next, off to Zona Blue. Was lookin for Naomi, and found her. Great little spinner. What she lacks in tetas she makes up in performance. She dragged her amiga into the room and wanted to do a twosome after the deed. Too hungry, time to grub. Went to Bennihanna. The food was pretty good or maybe I was just starving from rafting. Pura Vida!
DAY 4
Chill out day. Manicure, pedicure and a massage was in order today. I cruise down to New Fantasy around noon and find the window lacking in quality. No problem, off to Zona Blue. 2 chicas in the bar area. 5's at best. Leave kinda frustrated. Head over Hamburguesa Factory and have Agreat CR cheeseburger and papas. I take a stroll down the walkway toward the Presadente Hotel and kick it on a wall by a park. I strike up a gringo espanol conversation with a little chuncky but cute chica and pretty soon were back in my room. She says she has one chico at home. I shower her with my 99 cent store stuff. Power Ranger dolls, toothbrush/paste, lighters. She was almost ready to cry. Free panocha, is the best panocha! We got a lunch date manana.
PS / Thursday 9pm, Things are picking up here at the SL. A good flow of chicas are here tonight. PURA VIDA!
DAY 5
Doin the amiga thing today. Lunch, walk around, zoo.
One piece of info I learned is about a SL regular chica Eres She has a ring on her finger and a novia now. Her novia is here now and is suppose to wisk her away to the Caymans{sp}. Best of luck to her, I guess dreams do come true.
DAY 6 LAST DAY
Hung out with my new amiga. Did the mall thing. Picked up some toys and groceries. She took me to a La Prinsessa seafood restaraunt. Excellent food for cheap. I had a whole Tilapia, butterfliedout, with all kind of seafood stuffed inside /$8. Best meal I've had in CR.
5pm here at the SL. The chica count is picking up. I count about 10 chicas here. Decorations are getting ready for the New Years party.
It's Ultimate fight night here at the SL. Standing room only. An easy 100 people here.
You folks comming down for the New Years party have a fantastic time!
I'm off to Panama for an 8 hour layover before heading home.
Pura Vida!
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I was there in the summer of 05 and and was with a girl that looke djust like Brooke Burke I believe her name was Liliana? any info?
The girl with the Scorpion on her chest is Kristy Vivines, she has been at the Del Rey for a long time. I met her about 6 or 7 years ago. She has something like 11 0r 12 brothers and sisters. The few times that i was with her she treated me well.
[QUOTE=Toad Tamer]I had dinner at El Balcon, next to New York bar. A decent Italian restaurant. The chefs special was fettuccini with lobster and shrimp for 16, 000 colons ($8).
16,000 colones is about $31.00 not $8.00
[QUOTE=Toad Tamer]I had dinner at El Balcon, next to New York bar. A decent Italian restaurant. The chefs special was fettuccini with lobster and shrimp for 16, 000 colons ($8).[/QUOTE]
I think the restaurant is called Balcon de Europa. I've been eating there since it was around the corner, closer to Chelles. It is a decent place, the staff is generally friendly, and the prices are reasonable enough.
You might also want to check your colones to dollars conversion, as 16,000 colones is about $31 and not $8.
I am going to be in San Jose January 14th 18th. Looking for a wingman, planning to go to Pantera Rosa and Kumar at night, if any one is intested! Staying at Hotel Zona Blue for the fun of the place. PM if you are interested!
[QUOTE=Postie2007]
"30 years of civil war, drug cartels with its attendant violence, kidnappings, paramilitary hit squads, assasination of police and judicial officials etc. Have innured many Colombians to violence making them more prone to violence in general than most other nationalities. "
I have a different theory: alot of first time mongers and old doods [I should be careful saying that, I'm on the cusp of being one] see these columbian hotties and pay top dollar for what in essence is about 24 minutes of sex they would never get in real life [myself included] and the columbian girls capatalize on that. [probably a few others as well, but predominantly, columbianas]
And yes, nicas are bad too. They want the money but do not want to work or preform for it. Almost like a gringa! ; )
[/QUOTE]
I agree that MOST - not all, I'm sure - of the Colombianas are hard core h**kers wanting to just have slam bam thank you mam sex and are not warm and sweet like a lot of the Ticas.
However, I disagree with you about the Nicas. I've had half a dozen or so Nicas and every one was GREAT in bed, very warm and sweet, and pretty much GFE. YMMV.
[QUOTE=Johnny Sax]I agree that MOST - not all, I'm sure - of the Colombianas are hard core h**kers wanting to just have slam bam thank you mam sex and are not warm and sweet like a lot of the Ticas.
However, I disagree with you about the Nicas. I've had half a dozen or so Nicas and every one was GREAT in bed, very warm and sweet, and pretty much GFE. YMMV.[/QUOTE]
If you are judging Colombianas by the ones you meet in the Del Rey then O.K..Also the years of civil war,drug wars etc. have nothing to do with their hard core ways,they are trying to make all the $ they can before their visas run out.I have seen the Colombian chicas in the Del Rey and they are not even close to the ones I met in Colombia in both attitudes and beauty.
Sorry guys, made an error on the calculations. That's what typing late at night will do to ya. Anyways the meal I had at La Princessa was tops. Whole Tilapia butterflyed with all kinds of seafood in the middle. Bill was under $20 with a ceviche appetizer.
Might be headed back to CR for a quickie, spring break trip. Fares are around $350 RT from LA if you can handle the dates.
I suspect this will be non-enlightening for those who have spent time in San Jose but may be useful for those planing a visit.
Night 1
Arrived San Jose 9:30 PM from Houston. Through immigration & customs & to the Sportsmens Lodge in less than an hour. $19 US cab ride from the airport.
Got checked in and had a little culture shock. I spend about 160 days a year in hotels & am used to a much higher standard. My room was the "Felicidad" - the very first room as you enter the hotel, facing the street and adjoining the entry hall. The room had a small compliment of 25 watt lightbulbs, a bathroom the size of my kitchen table & no place to set toiletries except on the back of the commode where the fecal aerosol rises every time you flush. The room was not quiet. The bed was adequate at best. Clearly the windows would let in the first sign of light. If you select this hotel be sure to bring a sleep mask & ear plugs. [insert silver spoon jokes here]
Hit the bar and had a few beers. Met some nice guys and had several more beers (mistake at my age). Went to the Key Largo after the Lodge's bar closed about midnight & was immediately accosted by a bright, smiling 28 y/o with a huge [artificial] rack names Keylin. We had a pretty good time dancing to the live band & drinking more beers (another mistake). Headed back to the room & had fun in every orifice. Unfortunately the beers, time (now past 3AM) and my age took their toll & I tired before finishing. Old age ain't for sissys. I suspect the biggest problem was the busted fantasy. I'm used to girls getting wet. Very wet. This little gal never did, telling my over active brain it was all business for her. Kinda took the spark away.
So to bed a little after 3:30 & the light came in at 6:30 with the noise following at 7:30. I suspect Night #2 will close a little sooner.
BTW - there was certainly no shortage of gals at the Key Largo. A bit loud for my tastes & with the not-quite-fluent-in-English issue of most of the gals it made communications a bit difficult. One thing I noticed was that the gal I had was quite pretty. Some of those guys obviously have different tastes in women or there was an "economy" aisle I didn't see.
Day 2
Breakfast at the bar in the Sportsmens Lodge. A decent omelet. Work back in the room to catch up on office problems.
A break near noonish to track down the famous Zona Blue. A short walk later & it looks like the place is closed. Either I'm in the wrong spot (the sign says "Zona Blue Hotel") or I'm not sharp enough or patient enough to find the right door. Head back a few blocks to the New Fantasy. Walk in & there's a little room to the left plumb full of cute little gals. I stick my head in & ask "Hable Inglese?" Most simply ignore me but a few chime in "A little". I pick Rachel, a half-Brazilian, half-Tica, 22 year young cutie with blonde hair, small chest & a captivating smile. I normally like the bigger racks but will take attitude over flesh every time. And I'd rather play with a smaller handful of soft, real flesh than a larger handful of hard flesh.
We both strip down and about 40 minutes of delightful massage later I turn over. We agree on chupar sin condon para propina and suddenly the power goes out. No matter. Great finish with a little cuddling & grab-ass afterwards. Excellent time. I tip better than most customers and we both separate quite happy. I'm beginning to think I prefer the New Fantasy type experience to the trolling at the Blue Marlin or Key Largo experience. It's cheaper, I don't have breath other people's second hand smoke, we both know it's all about the customer so I can enjoy the massage & not feel compelled to try to satisfy her. Call me old fashioned, but that's a hard habit to break. And I'm certainly much better off without the booze. Now don't get me wrong, there's a lot to be said for the window shopping and flirting (I'm flirting with the gals, they're flirting with my wallet) & I'll likely continue that exercise as well.
Back to the room & I get a little more work done. Dinner at JR's Ribs which was pretty good.
Check to see if I can get a good deal at the Marriot. I'd spent a single night there a few months ago & it's a great hotel in a crappy location. Too pricey for my cheap ass this time; I decide to tough it out at the Sportsmens. Ultimately a very good decision.
Day 3
Head back to the Zona Blue around noon to see if it's open today. Dumbass. Have to push the doorbell to get buzzed in. Go figure. Anyway, walk through to the rear & there's a nice little bar & half a dozen gals. I was quoted 20,000 Colones when I came through the door but ultimately was charged 22,000 with the CRT card. Picked a little 28 y/o spinner with long black hair & a beautiful smile. Had a great time. Shower, message, play, spoon, shower, say goodbye.
Turned left & had lunch at the Peru restaurant, a little mom & pop place a hundred feet down the block. Nice salad, rice & fried shrimp for 3200 Colones.
Walked around a bit looking for somewhere to buy a few snacks & a couple 2-liter bottles of Sprite. Never found anything. Finally hailed a cab and asked him to take me to a super mercado. Stocked up & headed back to the room to do a little more work.
Met up with Jim - a 52 y/o guy with similar interests from the DC area about 7 after watching the Colts win in one of the playoff games. I was happy but he wasn't. We headed to the Buenos Aires restaurant. Good food at a reasonable price. From there we headed to the tico bar Las Margaritas.
Well, this place was more local in color with very little English being spoken. No issues, everybody was friendly. Sat down, got our drinks and a couple of gals come join us. 5000 Colones per lady drink. Okay, I'm here to have a good time. Keep in mind these are small ladies drinks and the gal's can pretty well inhale them. No biggie. I wind up buying the Dominican gal I'm with three, he buys the Nica gal he's with two (cheap bastard). The whole time the gals are sitting with us - maybe 30 minutes - they're lapdancing & we're groping. A really pretty good time. We each head to the back & have a ball. Only downside - she promised chupar sin condon but did not deliver the bbbj. The room was rather spartan with a couch & limited A/C. On the whole I was pleased. Total cost about $70 US.
Back to the Lodge about 9:30, shower & have a few beers before crashing.
Day 4
Sunday morning, 11AM. Headed over to New Fantasy to see my new buddy Rachel. Slim pickings today & she's off until 10AM Monday. Well, I figger if it's going to be a crap shot I might as well try somewhere else. I head down the street past Zona Blue to Bella Masion. Closed. On to Cha Cha Cha & 747 around the corner. Both closed. On to Krysis where I recall some rather negative reports. Closed. Another block down to 70E. That's most likely the street number as there's no outward signs but the door is open and beckens me to enter. Once inside, it's a relatively warm anteroom, very dark, with half a dozen gals sitting on one side and two or three guys sitting on the other side. Very quiet. I sit down & wait for my pupils to dilate so I can at least make sure I pick out a female.
In the shadows on the far side is an older gal of average looks. I pick her, Jennifer, 31 y/o Tica mother of one. Her English skills are really very good. 12000 Colones for an hour. I pay her & while she's out turning in the cash I find the wall fan & get it plugged in. We start with the standard face-down massage. Really very relaxing. I grad her ass a few times & have a very relaxing half hour. She asks "blow job?" and the next path is set. She's certainly not sporty enough for the young, macho guys who are intersted in hot babes. But for this pentagenarian the large natural boobs, english skills, trim body and smile make her a winner. Excellent bbbjcim without having to beg for sin condon. We lay together & spoon a bit, chatting about her life and daughter. From my aged eyes, she's a keeper. And she doesn't mind giving my still-wet willie a good-bye suck before she heads out to shower. Damn - I thought she was going to make me hard again! She comes back to the room & I find out she gets off work about 5 and would love to go out to dinner. I give her a 10,000 note tip & she seems genuinely startled and very happy.
She arrives at the Sportsman's Lodge about 6. I'm engrossed in the New England - San Diego playoffs & we sit in the bar & watch the widescreen with about 30 boistrous gringos and one other working gal. I buy her a few beers as the game goes along while I drink my Sprite (I learn from my mistakes). She's just a bit looped from the booze and no food (she skipped lunch after I asked her out). Dinner at the Princess Marina & we return to the room. Excellent clhoice for seafood. A great time was had by all. Seems she hasn't had good sex in many months. A little DATY & she comes not-so-quietly. A little spooning and bbbj later & I convince her to go for round two. She can hardly move afterwards. A little more deep kissing, petting and another quick bbbj and she wants to ride cowgirl sin condon. She had told me earlier she couldn't afford any more children. Weak man that I am & next thing you know the ride is on. Three for her and my second of the day. My self esteem is restored. We had never discussed money and this could arguably simply be considered a date. After she gets dressed (she has to get home to her child) I ask her if she would be offended if I offered her some money. She said no but all she wanted was cab fare.
Guess we'll have dinner again tomorrow. She mentions that next time I visit San Jose I can stay with her. From a cost perspective I'm sure it's a good deal, but..... Anyway, cab fare it was & I went to bed a very happy man.
Day 5
Last day here before I move on to El Salvador. Do some work on the computer & stop off at the local pharmacy to pick up some antibiotics & Cialis for a friend. They always seem to have a deal going if you buy a gazillion pills you get half a gazillion free. Might be okay if you could combine resources with a few buddies but it doesn't make any sense for me. The cost of the C is higher than it was in Cartagena so I hold off on my own supply & will pick some up on my Medellin trip later in the year if the need is there.
I call Jennifer & we're on for 7. She'll meet me in the bar at the Sportsmens Lodge. Gotta change rooms but wind up with a small suite in the new wing which is much better than my original room. Lunch at the News Cafe & a little more work before my 7 O'Clock date.
Meet up with Jimmy from DC & Alberto, a retired semiconductor engineer who's now an expat in San Jose a few blocks from the Sportsmens Lodge. Both great guys. Jimmy's got a cutie lined up to spend the night & then head off to Jaco Beach with him for two nights. Alberto's just drinking, checking out the gals & BSing with us. He'll ultimately cave to the eye candy & take one home...
Jennifer shows up at 7 looking hot. I make the introductions & Jimmy wants her number for when he gets back from Jaco Beach. I tell you there's no honor among *****mongers. She asks my permission (I'm flattered) & I tell her what a good guy Jimmy is. Okay, I lie just a bit. Jimmy's now in a good mood & buys a few rounds of drinks. His gal shows up - I forget her name but she had a t-shirt on that said "Brown Sugar". Next thing you know we've screwed Jimmy out of several more rounds & it's 9 O'Clock. Maybe it was Alberto & me asking Jimmy for just one more round & Jennifer hollering "Go, Jimmy, Go!". Whatever it was, the combination worked and drinks were on Jimmy.
A little too late to head to JR's Ribs like we had planned. I've got an early flight & Jennifer would like to leave by midnight if possible. I recommend to Jennifer that she start hanging out at the Lodge - I think her age (31), looks & great English skills will make her more money than she's currently making. I know her budget is strained & she's a great little gal - hard working, good sense of humor and just a lot of fun to be with. Seems most of the gals that hang around the lodge are the young variety that really just don't do it for me. We have dinner at the Lodge (okay but not spectacular) and another drink (I pay for this one). I can't stand it any longer & we head back to the room.
Jennifer takes a shower. I grab some photos of her while she's under the water & can't complain. She hams it up a little & poses for me. Off to the bed. She did things to me I had never have done before. Probably the best sexual experience of my life, bar none. The chemistry was there, the huge titties were there, there were no inhibitions (none!) and for some odd reason she seemed infatuated with me. We start with lots of DFK & playing. On to DATY for finish #1. She takes charge & more DFK, licking my entire body, ball sucking, bbbj, "...but don't come because I want you inside of me." I say okay & next thing you know it's CG time sin condon again. I do my best & don't finish while she's riding high. She loved having her nipples pinched & boobs squeezed. She collapses. I love watching her come. She's not a real screamer but she's not quiet either.
I politely say I really wanted to finish in her mouth this time. Next thing I know the all-over kissing & tonguing and sucking is on again. A finish with CIM and swallow. I'm impressed. She notes she has to go wash her new moustache off then smiles for me. An image that will never leave my mind. I'm now too exhausted to move.
It's nearly midnight. She wants nothing but cab fare. I've grown to really like this gal & my mind is trying to figure out how & when I'll get back here. We agree next time I come she'll take some days off. She's adamant that next time she wants to sleep with me. I give her the crappy little soaps from the bathroom & she's happy. I give her a box of cookies I didn't eat for her daughter & she lights up like a Christmas tree. I then give her some money. If I said how much (and it really wasn't much) I'd take a beating on this forum from those who value the freebie more than the gal. Well, these were freebies & I decided to help a friend out with her bills before I left the country. So there. I couldn't believe it, she took the money, looked at me & started crying. Giving is better than receiving.
Gotta get back here sooner rather than later.
A couple of pics. I fuzzed out her face out of respect for her.
If anybody's interested & promises to treat her right, PM me for contact info. Gotta have your word you'll treat her right, though.
/Dan D.
Nice job with Jennifer Dan. She really got into to you. You may have helped to turn my impression of CR around. Although the room at Sportsmens certainly won't do it!
[QUOTE=Regulr Travlr]....the room at Sportsmens certainly won't do it![/QUOTE]I think that's the biggest issue with the Sportsmens Lodge. It was my first time there. I made my reservations in October. My first room (5 out of 6 nights) had a crappy P. O. S. Couch with the foam showing and the trim laying on the floor. Total lighting was probably less than 10 footcandles (no joke). Less than a dimly lit parking lot at night. I had to leave the bathroom light (and fan) on 100% of the time just to see, even with the blinds open. There was essentially zero soundproofing. And the morning light was enough to wake you but not read by.
My second room Le Rey (? ) was just the opposite. Newer furniture, plenty of lighting, nice bathroom with vanity & large shower with tub. It had a second, useless room that had the minibar & a microwave. It also had a small private courtyard with chairs & tables. It was just past the glass doors into the new section. The glass doors that seperated the old & new sections provided pretty good sound attenuation. Plus there was an ice machine nearby (that I never knew about until I moved). The only downside to the room was the lock on the door. It's the cheap-ass push-button type & if you don't remember to push the button your door will be unlocked. Like Jimmy's when he & Brown Sugar retired. I waited ten minutes, hollered & opened ther door to scare the crap out of them. I had a good time with it but I can't speak for his opinion.
The bar area & especially the large screen TV on game nights was the big draw. Good people having a good time. The bartenders, especially Austa (sp) at night were simply great. The drink prices were fair to a little high (the Jaeger shots in Red Bull were $8 each, Imperial beer was about $2).
Overall the guys were great to meet & BS with. Alberto was a ball with his great laugh & local insight. To me the majority of the girls were too young but I'm sure most of the guys would take exception to my opinion on that.
I had my reservations for nearly 3 months & still had to move. I heard several guys bitching about having to move 2 & 3 times. Other guys were bitching about having to share a bathroom (! ) in the old section. I would suspect every one of the old section rooms has a noise problem. Saw a couple check out because they weren't happy with their rooms.
Bottom line: I'the go back in a heartbeat ***IF*** I was guaranteed a new wing suite or at least a new wing room 100% of the time.
As to the girls, I struck gold. With my limited experience my guess is the DR & Key Largo girls are mechanical gold diggers for the most part. On the other hand, I had good luck at the massage parlors & was happy with BBBJ 2 out of 3 times. Observation: the gals at the massage parlors. Like Jennifer. Are down-on-their luck gals trying to pay their bills. Their bills are high to them but very, very low by our standards. Those gals understand sex, know what men want and would probably all dream of a ticket to the promised land.
If I were to go back & not have a winner like Jennifer to hook up with, I'the focus on the cheaper massage parlors in the early afternoon & find one or more gals I liked & ask them to dinner. I fell into it but the formula proved almost perfect. I would probably only go to the DR & Key Largo to troll & look at the eye candy. Just for sport. I might go to the Tico bars again, because it wasn't pretentious, it was just fun. But it could get pricey.
Overall my impression this week of SJ went from strongly negative to solidly positive. My impresion of the Sportsmens Lodge went from strongly negative to strongly positive given the caveats. With the only option being the old wing I'the stay elsewhere. In fact, on the next to last day I stopped and asked Johanna if I was supposed to move. She said yes but the other room wasn't cleaned so I had to pack up & store my stuff behind their counter. I said wtf? & she said checkout time was noon & I had to be out of the room by then. Needless to say we clashed a bit. I simply said no problem, if there's not a room for me to move into I'll find another hotel. 20 minutes later & I was in the other suite. Otherwise I'the have been at the Presidente or DR.
In light of finding Jennifer I've got to find another reason to tell the wife why it's time for me to get away for a week.
I thoroughly enjoyed your report of yesterday. I personally really like the Sportsmens, however, I too have spent nights in Felicidad. It is a nice big room but the bathroom is smaller than on a rowboat! The other thing, the security guards and gardeners all hang-out right outside your window, during the day and at night. So, if your lady friend is too much of a screamer then you are giving a free show to the workers. Maybe some girls enjoy this.
Great Report!
I have been thinking about a short trip to SJ. I have a simlar age problem to yours and I do like my comfort. I understand that most of the 4 or 5 star hotels are not near the "gultch" and are not GF. SO I guess I owuld have to put up with Sportsmans for a few days.
Thanks again for shining a bright and truthful light on the SJ experience.
'bare
[QUOTE=LuvumBare]Great Report!
I have been thinking about a short trip to SJ. I have a simlar age problem to yours and I do like my comfort. I understand that most of the 4 or 5 star hotels are not near the "gultch" and are not GF. SO I guess I owuld have to put up with Sportsmans for a few days.
Thanks again for shining a bright and truthful light on the SJ experience.
'bare[/QUOTE]I would pick Sportsmens Lodge 1st **IF** I was guaranted a new edition suite. Maybe it's only 2* in the real world but it's adequate, convenient & the bar is really a lot of fun at night. I paid 299, 691. 62 Colones for six nights with one dinner charged to the room (2, 845. 54) and 199. 33 in local calls (mostly by that SOB Jimmy who came over to my room to make his calls). That was with all the taxes and the CRT discount, so overall a pretty good value considering the location. And really. The cost of the local calls is dirt cheap so who cares?
If you want the best go with the Marriott, no question. I paid $130 in October but it looks like it's about $180 in the high season. I was upgraded to a full suite & got essentially free breakfast, snacks & dinner plus all the sodas I wanted. It is definitely GF, just check her in. The girls will get all the courtesies your wife would get. They have a nice pool and very good grounds. Downside is it's a $15 or so cab ride into town & back (each way). If you're going to hook up with a single gal it's probably the best way to go. If you want to cruise the Gulch it's probably the worst way to go. There is a free shuttle to the airport when you're ready to leave, though.
Most likely I'll shoot for the Lodge again next time & use the Marriott as a fall-back.comparing the two is absoultely apples & oranges but the merits of each is as strong as are the defecits.
/Dan D.
(seems there is always a lot of stuff written on this forum but never what I really want to know.....)
When in San Jose, I generally stay at the Hotel Amon Plaza. It is a girl friendly 4 star hotel that is only about 5 blocks from the Hotel Del Rey. Because it is in the Barrio Amon, it is in quiet neighborhood. Here are some pictures of the place.
In addition, they have a nice restaurant that offers a typical tico buffet breakfast every morning, and the staff is bilingual.
[url]http://www.hotelamonplaza.com/photo_gallery.php[/url]
Hey y'all. Gotta question about logistics. Plan to book El Presidente, catch butterflies for a few days then be on a Continental flight outa SJO at 3:55pm.
Question is, how much time to allow for trip back to airport? When do I have to leave the hotel? Any other advice?
TIA love this forum.
Thanks for the info. Sounds like at least some of the rooms downright SUCK.
And people complain about the Morazan?! For $40, it sounds much better than the much higher priced SL (at least some of the rooms, as explained).
I have not stayed at the SL but here is my opinion based on one night of hanging out there. Maybe that does not entitle me to an opinion, but here it is, anyway.
The lobby is super fancy, very nice, as is the bar. The waitress was really good, and I can see how it might be a cool place to hang out if you're a "sportsman", wanting to hang with fellow sportsmen at the bar, watching football etc..
However, I did not care for it the night I was there. I felt it was entirely too "clique-y", that if you weren't part of the group of guys staying there, you were not easily accepted into the clique. Also, I'm not sure I would really have WANTED to have been included in the clique of guys the night I was there.
Also, the selection of women downright sucked. Basically there was only one who was available and she was about a 6. The other 2-3 girls were okay, nothing special, and were being taken up by the clique of guys sitting together at the tables.
I will admit that the guys who were part of the clique seemed to be having a great time together, and with the girls!
However, that is not my scene, I prefer to hang with just one or 2 other guys and then make stops at the Del Rey, Idem, Key Largo, and maybe a few other places...
Just my 2 cents. I doubt I will ever stay at the SL, especially after reading the recent report below, hearing time and time again that it's very noisy there, and then my own - limited - experience there.
Granted, I'm not much into sports or fishing, either. What I'm there for is mongering.
[quote=dan d dick]
i'm beginning to think i prefer the new fantasy type experience to the trolling at the blue marlin or key largo experience. it's cheaper, i don't have breath other people's second hand smoke, we both know it's all about the customer so i can enjoy the massage & not feel compelled to try to satisfy her. call me old fashioned, but that's a hard habit to break. and i'm certainly much better off without the booze. now don't get me wrong, there's a lot to be said for the window shopping and flirting (i'm flirting with the gals, they're flirting with my wallet) & i'll likely continue that exercise as well.[/quote]
i know what you mean. i like to flirt and watch at the bm and kl, and sometimes go with a girl there if things work out right (if i can get a great price and the girl has a great attitude; hard to find, but i've done it many times). but it's so nice to get the massage at zona blue or new fantasy, know you will get your full hour, know the girl's job is to satisfy you, pretty much know she's not going to steal from you, and just generally know you are going to have a great time for a great price. zb is my favorite place for this reason.
somewhere in your report you mentioned the girl turning off the light for the bj. that is a pet peeve of mine: often the girls want to turn out the lights for sex and i have to insist on leaving it on. usually we compromise with the bathroom light on and the door open, something like that. no way i'm paying for sex with a beautiful girl and not be able to look at her! hell, if i'm not going to see her, i may as well pay half the price for an ugly chick!
Dan D Dick,
Great report! I was at the Sportsmen's when I was in SJ for 5 days last April. I stayed in the Presidential Suite, which I think is right across the hall from the room you had. It was huge, however, if somewhat on the drab side. It went all the way from the street side to the lobby or atrium side. The huge living room was largely wasted space, since I made very little use of it. The bed was huge--king sized--and comfortable, and the bedroom was of adequate size. I was surprised to hear about your bathroom, because the bathroom in the Presidential was enormous. The lighting was not good, but nowhere near as bad as your experience.
You are absolutely right about the noise level. The walls are like paper, and since the bedroom is on the lobby side, every sound in the lobby can be heard--every footstep, every cough, etc. And the hotel is also noisy from drunken mongers whooping and guffawing in the bar until midnight, when it abrubtly stops. This isn't a problem if you don't plan to go to bed early. I spent only one sleepless night there, because the footsteps and conversations of the night staff kept me awake. So I think if I stay there again I would opt for the new section.
By far the primary advantage of the Sportsmen's, however, are the chicas hanging around the bar. I mean, what more could you ask? If the main reason for your trip is mongering, then you could literally stay there and never leave until it's time to go to the airport (although I wouldn't recommend it). But everything you need is there: lodging, food, booze, and pussy. Moreover, I found that the chicas who hang around the Lodge are uniformly a cut above chicas you would find elsewhere, not only regarding looks but especially regarding attitude as well. This is a welcome contrast to a place like the Del Rey. Word is that all the girls are personally screened by the management before they are allowed to hang at the bar. I asked a couple of the girls I hooked up with about this, and they both verified that it was true.
I'm posting a photo of 3 chicas who were in the lobby when I was there. I ended up doing 2 of the 3 (all but the one on the left), all quite enjoyable experiences, and I would do them again in a heartbeat. I already posted photos of others in the Photo Gallery, but the forum won't let you post photos twice. But please, don't ever say that the girls at the Lodge aren't attractive!
I'll probably be back in SJ in June or July for a long mongering weekend. It's a good place to go just to monger, and I plan to stay at the Lodge.
Lorenzo
Good to see my friend Rachel. And to think we shared that same wonderful experience.
The girl on the left in Lorenzo's photo is named Raquel and she is from a little town called Telica in Nicaragua (near León). I am guessing this is a bit older photo because when I first met Raquel maybe a year ago she was tiny like in the photo, but when I last "did" her a month ago she had put on a bit of weight. However …… she is really quite good in bed. Loves DATY, bbbj, moans just the right amount, DFK and likes to cuddle afterwards. I have been with her several times and she really is quite excellent. She usually is one of the first girls to show up at the Sportsmens every day. She comes in around mid-day and will hang out in the lounge area all afternoon and into the evening.
The girls of Zona Blue. I stay at Hotel Zona Blue for 5 days/4 nights and it was great. Great rooms to stay in, with all the girls at your finger tips at any time! I did not have a bad expertise the whole time I stay at ZB with any of the girls. It was actually a better time then visiting the place during the day, when I stay at other places. The girls know you are staying there so there is a good chance that you take them up to your room once or twice during your stay, so they treat you great! Plus the other great thing is you have a private Sauna and a Stream room in your room up stair and a King size bed to play in, instead of the small bed in the rooms down stairs. It is worth the stay!
Plus the two bartenders down stairs are great, G and Daisy! You will get to know them and the will give you some great information on the girls.
Now for some information on the great girls!
Naomi - She was my favorite! She is a PSE and GFE wrap up into one package. She is into DFK, DATY, BBBJ, any position and then some; she is just good all around fun. She is always happy and smiling. Also she is very Bi, and love to go up to the room with other girls and love to have her picture taking. She also has some toys to play with if you ask. Actually, she ask me the first time up to the room, first thing do you want to take pictures. I left my camera at home, so no pictures. Treat her great and she will to you also; I hope she is around for a while. I did the most session with her and every time they got better! Picture # 5458
Pamela - There is only one thing to say about her is she a TRUE Nymph! Non-stop sex machine! I truly think if you could handle it, she could have sex 24 hour and still be going like the energizer rabbit. She love to play with toys and is very Bi! She is into DFK, DATY, BBBJ, 69, sitting on her face or any girl that is available at the time! She will have more orgasms then any other girls in the place and not fake ones. She like taking pictures also and want to do some video too. Sex machine!!! Picture # 4488
Lorena – She is Pamela sister. She is hot looking and gives a great session! Not a Nymph like her sister, but is great in bed. More of a GFE than a PSE session. DFK, DATY, 69, BBBJ and multiple positions. She is also Bi, but ever could get her and her sister together at the same time. Picture # 5227
Marcella – Great all around sex. She is Bi and enjoys time with the other girls, but she needs to be with more of an outgoing girl to get her going. Not the best kissers in the place and you have to work at a BBBJ with her. You can have a great time with her. Picture #5474
Karen – A great girl! Love sex and playing with her self. She is into DFK, DATY, BBBJ and multiple positions. She loves it Doggie style! She is also Bi and is great with Naomi and/or Pamela. She is also into pictures and wants more picture of herself on CRT, so guys help her out. Picture #5424
Andrea – She is the type of girl that would be a great wife! She is great looking and I mean hot! She is into a true GFE type session! DFK, DATY, 69, BBBJ and multiple positions. The only problem with her is she is always busy. This is one of the girls that guys are making reservation for, because she is very available. No Pictures
Charro – Great girl always smiling. She gives a GFE type session, DFK, 69, BBBJ and multiple positions. She is also Bi and is great with Naomi. She gives probably the best BBBJ I had in the place and loves every drop. She has a hot body on her. Picture # 5078
Letticia – She is a cross between a PSE and GFE session. She has a very hot body and knows how to use it. DFK, DATY, 69, BBBJ and multiple positions. Loves it doggy style. She is also Bi and is great with another girl. Is can great a little wild, she is not shy. Picture # 5301
I did connect with many of the other girls also, good session but more of an average type of session. Nothing to report about, just good sessions.
Best pairs of girls together in order, Naomi/Pamela, Karen/Pamela and Naomi/Charro.
Best Show Pamela by herself or with others.
I also did a session with Naomi/Pamela/Karen at one time. It was great! Pamela working one girl and me working on the other and when we switch and switch. It was wild, if you want to party like a rock star you have to try it once.
The other thing everyday I was there, Eddie had new girls starting. One day alone there were 4 new girls that started. Tuesday, I counted 24 girls in the bar area working and I know there were more in rooms at the time. There was a good selection of girls at Zona Blue on this trip!
Blue Marlin
My 5 days in San Jose, all I can say is there are a LOT of GUYS there and there is a shortage of girls at the BM at night. I would say there is 2 to 3 guys for every girl. So the girls are trying to cash in, most of them will not move off of $100 and most of them are not looking for the all nighter either. They are trying to cash in on the current Gold mine. It is how many times can I get the guy to the room and finish as fast as possible, so I can get to the bar again and do it again.
Pirate Club
Pirate Club is a great place! Most of the best looking clubs I have been in Costa Rica. It is not a large place, but well layout. The have rooms to take the girl too for some fun. The only problem that I saw was the girls. Me and my friend were the only people in the place and there were only 4 girls working and they were all 5 and 6. The other thing was great was they were all wearing informs. Great club, but they just need to get some girls and the place will be pack!
Hotel Zona Blue
I am staying at Hotel Zona Blue, today is my 2nd to the last day of a 5 day trip. All I have to say is staying at this place is awesome!!! If you are thinking about staying here, I would not think any more and make the reservation.
The cost is higher then most place in town, yes, but the quality of the rooms and the service you get is great. I hear so many people trying to save a dime when they come to Costa Rica, they miss allot of the fun trying to save the money.
If you are a person like me and like the M.P. while you are in town the cost of the room gets cheaper. If you do the math. The rooms at Zona Blue are $195.00 a night, which is high, but when you stay here the girls are $20.00 a hour not $50.00. So, if you would spend 2 to 4 hours at a MP each day while staying in town, now you would have saved $60 to $120 a day by staying at Hotel Zona Blue, because of the discount rates on the girls.
The rooms them self are very nice and very clean. The rooms are new, I think they have only been open for 6 months now. The rooms are larger then most of the rooms you would get San Jose, plus they have 32" TV with DVD players, wireless internet, free U.S. Phone calls, dry and a steam Sauna in each room, large bathrooms and the list go on. Also, some of the rooms have spare bedrooms, so you can even save some money and have a friend share the room with you. I do know there is a additonal cost for a second person, but not much. The room are also quiet, you can not hear a thing downstairs.
Now for the girls with you staying upstairs; I have found you get a lot better service because you are staying here and if they take care of you, you may connect with her more then once during your stay. The other great thing is you bring the girl up to your room, you have a King size bed, not the small Massage table/bed that is in the MP rooms at Zona Blue, so the session is a lot more fun! A large bed for more fun to be had! One of the other things I love, is the house girl will fix up your room for you at anytime. So you have a girl up to your room and when you are done and want it clean up again, she is right there doing it. So you ever of the shortage on the towels or the mess up bed all day, it is great!
After hours you can also bring girls back for other place to stay with you.
Eddie and his staff is great, they will take care of all your needs. The only thing negtive that I see about the place, there is only 4 rooms and sooner or later, making reservations will be hard, once people find out about the place!
Kumar
Went to the Kamur and I can tell you one things is the club has changed a lot in the last year! The web site is very out dated; there was not one of the girls from the web site working there. The talent has gone down hill. I would put them all 5 to 7’s, no super star at all there! They have relayed out the club, no pool tables, big stage, but the VIP is around a bigger part of the stage. The other is there is a Costa Rica guys there now. Kumar was one of my favorite strip clubs in CR, but it is off the list now!
The pictures are on CRT, not here.
First off, Lobo, pay the damn money so you support the forum & can accept PMs. But since your question may help others, here's what I tried to send you:
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I left the Lodge 2 hours & 10 minutes before departure & had plenty of time.
It's 20 - 30 minutes to the airport & the airport was really pretty efficecient.
When you get to the terminal, walk in & turn left. Pay your airport departure tax BEFORE going to the counter ($26US in USD or Colones). Then fill it out. Then go to the counter.
Piece of cake if you do it in that order.
/Dan D.
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Yes, Raquel was still there & seemed happy. Too young for my aged body unless I'm in a particulary horny mood. If the gals have to be screened, please help out my friend Jennifer if she needs it. I'd love to see her hang out at the Lodge & I think she'll appeal to the older set like she did to me.
With regards to the cliques - I think you didn't give it enough time. Yes, you're absolutely right, HOWEVER - I didn't know a single person when I arrived. I struck up a pretty good friendship with two of the guys (Jimmy & Alberto) & will likely cross paths with each again. I was welcomed into several other groups very readily (their initiative) but we didn't have a lot in common and we stayed friendly but I didn't impose. Just like chasing women, it's important to initiate conversations with several & suddenly you'll come across a great guy or group of guys that you have something in common with.
I'm old & gray & don't give a crap about anything "macho". I don't care about whether a gal's a "5" or a "10". Maybe that comes with age, maybe attitude. But I know I'm not alone & I had no problems hooking up with the gals or making friends with a couple of guys & just having fun. And I can assure you I'm not a social creature - my wife says I'm very anti-social.
/Dan D.
The girl on te left is Raqel she is great. For a truly great experience get her to bring her friend Nicole who only works part time but has the some of the best hooters ever. Racquel will also do doubles with her and she will only do doubles with a very few girls. Racquel is also helpful in giving advice about other girls, what the do and do not do, are they clock watchers or what they will and will not do Racquel will ppreiate any gifts and does a great dildo show.
Hey, I enjoyed your report on the Zona Blue. You must keep notes as I forget the girls names 2 mins after she tells me. The reason I am writing is about what you said about the Blue Marlin. You said the guys out number the girls 2 to 1 and 3 to 1. In my 6 trips I have never seen anything near those type of numbers. Maybe the other way around girls 2 to 1 over the guys. Please clear this up. And if your facts are correct can you give me the dates you were there. I am going on March 15th and I don't need to here about guys out numbering the girls. You didn't write about the Key Largo, did you go. Sounds like you spent alot of time at the zona.
Thanks,
Chilimike
Nice ZB report. Looks like you either did not sample Michelle, or did not enjoy. She is one of my favorites; a great session, more GFE than PSE, but to my liking. Sharron (it sounds like Charro) is the best kisser I have had in a long time. Great oral, her and Michelle were great together. I have been going to ZB for three years; what a great place.
Your gonna see a decrease in chicas during and after the holidays. They go home to la familia. As far as cliques go, yes there are a number of regular americans who live in CR and use the SL as their stomping grounds. Like any gathering hole newcommers stick out like a sore thumb. When you first arrive you still have your big city face on. Loosen up and go with the flow.
Personally, I don't like to hang with the cliques or a wing man. I feel the chicas are more friendly and open when they see you solo. I plan my days with "out of the gulch" actvities and most of the time I am to tired to shoot the chit with the cliques. A quick session then hit the hay to wake up for the next day van pickup for the next activity.
Bill and all the staff make me feel right at home at the SL. Yes, the courtyard rooms are noisy. Try the new wing upstairs. The only thing you can here is the clink clanging of chicas heels going up the steps. You do have to share a bathroom in one wing. This is why those rooms are cheaper. I'm headed back for spring break. Booked already at the SL. I got a great tix price of $350 r/t from LAX. (before taxes)
PURA VIDA!!
Thanks to the members who sent me a pvt. Message about the girls at the bm. Please Jim Hart reread your post. And clear up your mis information message you posted. You seem to have some great info on the other places you went. But for the Delray being 3 guys to every girl the price would be 200.00 or even higher. And most of us would find much better places.
Pay the damn fee so you can support the forum & receive PMs.
Here's what I tried to send you:
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That's the difference between you young guys & us old and gray types. I been there, done that. Been to nearly 70 countries, seen most everything, done a lot. Could care less about fishing (had my own offshore boat for 10 years) or the ATV rides (hunted for years) or the volcanoes (seen 'em) or the rain forests (been there).
With a high-stress job I like to sit back, relax, have some beer, shoot the shit & PLAY. But I certainly understand your philosophy & was there myself 20 years ago.
It's nice that there's room for us all, isn't it?
Good luck!
/Dan D.
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Last time I went down to the CR (November), in addition to the numerous chicas roaming around the Del Rey and Key Largo, there were a number of female bartenders that caught my eye.
What's the deal with bartenders? Are they in play to?
Anyone have any experience with any of them?
I'll be down in February and looking to keep my options open.
What happened
Closed on Saturday night
Exact reason why I don't pay the fee. Don't need PM's. Too many stupid ya hoo's on this site, ready to flame you over nothing. Gotta whole lot of buddies on another site that has better net etiquette.
[QUOTE=Darunee]Last time I went down to the CR (November), in addition to the numerous chicas roaming around the Del Rey and Key Largo, there were a number of female bartenders that caught my eye.
What's the deal with bartenders? Are they in play to?
Anyone have any experience with any of them?
I'll be down in February and looking to keep my options open.[/QUOTE]
I can't begin to tell you how many mongers have been shot down trying to score the bartenders at the Del Rey. They are in play only if you are handsome, rich, talk a good game in Spanish, and could pull a fine looking lady in real life. But then, why would you be in the Del Rey?
There were quite a few fellow mongers from this forum that I met while spending 5 days and nights at The Del Rey. Each time I go Edgar upgrades me to a more peaceful room. I guess you gotta pay your dues to finally get to the suites on the 6th floor. Not one day went by that creating new friendships didn't happen. So to all who I met, it was a blast.
Now on to the good stuff. The BM was plenty packed with 100 girls minimum every night I that I decided to wander downstairs after recovering from my prior session. 75% were 7-9's and contrary to Mr. Hart's analysis there was plenty for every guy in the place. I seem to have more fun with the 7's instead of the 9's or 10's cause I think they know they have to work harder and with sincere enthusiasm to get a positive reputation. They are also more apt to negotiate down from the standard request of $100 which, as we all decided, I will not and did not pay. If I paid $100 I received 2 1/2 hours of aggressive activity. Attached pics are for your viewing pleasure. Gia was from the BM and was easily down with BBBJ and a true GFE. I had so much fun with her that I was stalked for 3 days by her. Be careful not to get her to orgasm as I did or else you'll be trapped like a rat unless you venture off to a different location.
So I did. To the ZB and hooked up with Andrea. Jim Hart is right. She is one you would marry. Oh yes, I did get a pic but she only allowed me to take it waste up. Rock hard body and everything we go there for. She is cute as you can see below.
Viviana is also at the BM. She was just OK and also quite territorial after a date. One other thing I learned that I don't see much chatter about. In the remote chance that ya'll get interupted by Whiskey Dick there is a place around 30th and 4th (or real close to these streets-just ask a taxi driver) called Pharmacia Familiare that doles out generic (in the packages) magic blue pills for a mere $1. 17 each at 50 mg and double the price for 100mg. Quite the bargain and as effective as the real deal that will cost $10 bucks each. After snacking on these every date will be your stalker. Bon appetit!
This is my first time attempting to attach pics so if I fail I will let ya'll know so I can get your help. Here goes.
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I think you have chance. But it will require some work you might not want to put in. I did get Karla # and have talked to her but did not do the deed.
[QUOTE=Member #2041]I can't begin to tell you how many mongers have been shot down trying to score the bartenders at the Del Rey. They are in play only if you are handsome, rich, talk a good game in Spanish, and could pull a fine looking lady in real life. But then, why would you be in the Del Rey?[/QUOTE]
T-Man you ruined my buddies marrage. Hes off to Nicaragua for 3 days and gia (his Favorit) is out on the town. She has a full time GFthat she lives with. Don't suppose you had her pick out another for a 3-way? LOL From what I"m told Gia is up / down for any and everything. You can see her and her GF out in the Cultural park on Central Ave walking hand in hand on Sundays.
[QUOTE=Dan D Dick]Pay the damn fee so you can support the forum & receive PMs.[/QUOTE]Dan D,
I don't know why you couldn't send me a PM as I am paid up! and do support the forum, even though I have not been all that active. Maybe I have neglected some step to enable PMs?
Anyway, I appreciate your help w/my mundane question, thanks.
Lobo,
Check what it says under your name by each of your posts - Regular Member. Another way you can easily tell is if you can't view photos, then you don't have senior member status and can't access private messaging either. If you've paid your dues then you need to check with the Admin why your membership hasn't been upgraded
Another possibility might be if you only recently signed up and the Admin hasn't processed your application yet or "if you recently used the User Control Panel to change your password or email address, then your account will be temporarily inactive UNTIL you confirm your modifications by responding to the confirmation email send by the Forum's software program to verify your changes. "
[QUOTE=The T Man]Gia was from the BM and was easily down with BBBJ and a true GFE. I had so much fun with her that I was stalked for 3 days by her. Be careful not to get her to orgasm as I did or else you'll be trapped like a rat[/QUOTE]Hey T Man,
I posted about Gia over a year ago (I called her Gio). [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=399563&postcount=502[/url]
I agree with you that she was a fabulous GFE! She had a great attitude and was killer in bed. Our whole time together was full of laughter and fun.
I join with you in giving her my highest recommendation!
DB
Prolijo: now I'm confused. I have been a member for maybe a year now, and I can view photos. I just figured "senior member" status was reserved for those who have posted more than a few times. I've asked Jackson so I hope this will be resolved. I would like to be able to receive PMs.
Yes Gio is great I have been with her many, many times in the past few years. She is also Bi and likes to party. On my last visit I was at the Pres. Room 508 and she wanted to call 2 of her friends to join us. Had to call and wake my wingman to check the one in (he still thanks me). And the other one we meet her at the Casino and brought her up. Fun, Fun, . Fun times. Treat her well. And you will be rewarded! One word of caution. Never give your e-mail info to any of these Chicas. If you do the RFM will never stop. Remember we pay and lay as many as possible, and they lay and play the same way. Peace.
TG7
Dodger,
Gia looked much fresher for you. I guess a full year of getting violated has made her look a little ragged although after thinking about it the pics I took were after a 2 hour session which included me slappin' my pecker in her face for a while. I agree that she was probably the most fun out of all the girls I mounted on that last visit to the Del Rey. Warning to all though, she does get quite possessive and had a hard time understanding the concept of "I paid you to leave".
[QUOTE=Darunee]Last time I went down to the CR (November), in addition to the numerous chicas roaming around the Del Rey and Key Largo, there were a number of female bartenders that caught my eye.
What's the deal with bartenders? Are they in play to?
Anyone have any experience with any of them?
I'll be down in February and looking to keep my options open.[/QUOTE]Darunee,
The bartenders are just like any other girls in the US, as far as picking them up. I have been dating a BM bartender for about 5 months, and i can tell you they are a lot of work, just like all women. I know about 50% of the bartenders on a personal basis (because of my novia), and most are really nice. But you have to understand that they see gringos in the BM as "cock hounds". If you really want to have a relationship with one of them, you better have game.
Just seeking humble advice -
Some time opened up (5 nights) and trying to decide between SJO and Bogota.
I've been to SJO once and sort of liked the Del Rey scene, I know a lot of board-members don't, however I do. I prefer a city where I can duck in for a short time in the afternoon, and then have my (easy) pick from pros in the evening while drinking a few beers and chilling out. Shows are always a plus as well.
I was hot for Bogota (a new place for me) but then read on the board that it's quite difficult to get bbbj there - which put me off a bit.
I also quite like the seedy scene - a brothel along the lines of Rio's Villa Mimosa or a few in Asia would be perfect, but I gather neither of these cities offer exactly that.
GFE is not required as I have one at home. The flight times and cost are about the same.
The problem is I have to decide today, and buy the ticket - so any advice appreciated. I'll be more than happy to post the trip report.
Thanks
There are brothels for every taste and pocketbook in San Jose.
Zona Blue down to 747, CHA CHA, Jet Set and calle 6 prices start at less than 6,000 colones and go up to 25,000 plus in rooms with amenties and places where you guess what is behind the curtain.
Jet Set is 6,00 colones girls wash in a janitor closet with a sink and invite you to use it after while some massage parlors have saunas and steam rooms for the enjoyment of both you and the chica
The line up at oasis almost always has something for everybody and the cost is about $20 US.
Other places in the Paseo Colon area such as Josephines have 2 for $30 or my favorite 2 guys and 2 girls in one bed for $40.
My experience in Bogota was more expensive.
[QUOTE=Mudpie]Just seeking humble advice -
Some time opened up (5 nights) and trying to decide between SJO and Bogota.
I've been to SJO once and sort of liked the Del Rey scene, I know a lot of board-members don't, however I do. I prefer a city where I can duck in for a short time in the afternoon, and then have my (easy) pick from pros in the evening while drinking a few beers and chilling out. Shows are always a plus as well.
I was hot for Bogota (a new place for me) but then read on the board that it's quite difficult to get bbbj there - which put me off a bit.
I also quite like the seedy scene - a brothel along the lines of Rio's Villa Mimosa or a few in Asia would be perfect, but I gather neither of these cities offer exactly that.
GFE is not required as I have one at home. The flight times and cost are about the same.
The problem is I have to decide today, and buy the ticket - so any advice appreciated. I'll be more than happy to post the trip report.
Thanks[/QUOTE]Flight times are the same? Go C, S.A.
I'll be heading back to SJO in a few weeks & will likely take my friend shopping at the San Pedro Mall. I understand there's an adult toy store there. What major shop is it next to & is the selection nearly as good as most US shops of similar tenor?
Thanks.
/Dan D.
[please humor me & stifle the rtff comments]
Once you come in the main entrance, take the corridor to your right, continue walking you will cross an intersection. Continue. Pass Tommy Hillfiger. The corridor dead ends at the shop. You have the option to turn left but don't. Once inside, make a left turn and head to the back through the curtains, you have arrived at "Paradise". The staff will make suggestions on what's hot and what's not. I picked up a mini 5 inch vibrator that the chicas just love, the salesperson suggested. I asked if she could demo it for me, she declined. At least this time. This place seems to always be packed with women too. Enjoy!
I'm sure I can find a few toys for my friend & me to enjoy together!
/Dan D.
Hello,
I will be back in San Jose next week and I wanted to know if someone would tell me where Europa 2000 is. I went to Hotel Europa before and I was misguided when someone was trying to tell me where it was.
Thanks
unless your made of money go online and buy your toys at some online toy store of your choice.
The mall San Pedro prices are very high and the selection is not of the newest technolagy(sic).
Small hard plactic vib cost $20.00 plus USD.
The girls like the new JELLIES and smaller pocket size hard pastic vibs.
Just bring a lot of condoms: to a girl they enjoyed the toys as long as they had a rubber on to.
I hrear that there are a lot of girls in the Pacifico district. Does anyone know where this area is?
I havent been to CR for about 5 years and am thinking of going back. Is the going rate still 60.00 at the del ray? Anything new pop up? New casinos-newclubs. Is the president hotel still the main hotel there?
Brazilman, They are all asking a $100 or more but $60 to $80 is still very availble at Del Rey with negotiation. Many MP's and outher options at lower prices. Presidente is still popular but very picky on thier dress code and Sportsmans Lodge is also very popular with mongers.rbc100
THey were asking a hundred 5 years ago but you could always get 95% of them for 60. The colombian chicks were higher.Still plenty of colombian chicks??
Xmas; 06 and January 07 the girls at the del ray & key largo were asking $100.$150, $200.
I walked away from the ones who stuck to the price and verble wrap.
I was able to get one to go for $30 -$40 USD plus a beer & taxi. for the best part of two hours.
I saw many who were led away for the shiering and returned to the bar within an hour as I sat with my amigos and enjoyed my beer, banter with the girls and the parade. Carnival may have been canceled on Ave Segunda but not at the DR or KL
I suggest a walk around town to the other MP'S. Had a a few new young spinners for under $15 bucks and some for $40. Try Europa 2000 and see whats under the counter
I was even able to find a 23 year old (with both natural breasts & bbbjcim) to join me at the beach for a few days. $35 per day plus travel & meals.
I great time was had by all. Pura Vida Guy's
[QUOTE=Member #2964]Xmas; 06 and January 07 the girls at the del ray & key largo were asking $100, $150, $200.
I walked away from the ones who stuck to the price and verble wrap.
[/QUOTE]Sounds like CR has already been ruined!
Good for you for walking away
To start, I never breezed through an airport as quickly as I did this one. I swear, I was out of there less than fifteen minutes after getting off the plane. Immigration and customs was a breeze, I prepaid the taxi, got cash out of the ATM at the baggage carousel, and booked.
I´m staying at the Presidente, as I did a few years ago. It´s still good, and thanks to the advice of a brother on this board I got around the dress code simply by making friends with the security guard. It´s been said many times: A little Spanish and a smile go a long way in any Latin country.
My first night I went to IDEM, and found the same girl, Anna, a Nicarauguan (sp?) that I last saw about five years ago, last time I was here. She didn´t fail, and I had a great time. I got her number for her to come to my hotel another time, and this seems to be pretty easy to do in the MP´s and clubs here. IMHO it sure beats the Blue Marlin, which is getting more and more like HELP disco in Brazil! Too much hussle for me, and I haven´t seen any great lookers there (yet!).
On day 2 I asked the taxi to take me to Zona Blue and he took me to New Fantasy instead, saying that it was the same place. I knew it was bull but since I planned to go to NF anyway I went in. Had a great session with a light skinned spinner named Monica. They offer half hour sessions for just US $20. The hour was $45. Go figure.
I´m still trying to find ZB, and the cabbies don´t seem to know it. If anyone can tell me where it is or if it´s in walking distance or an address I´d appreciate it. I´m using a public internet here and there´s a line, so I don´t have time to hunt it down.
On a non sexual note, I went on a tour of the Poas Volcano today, which in my opinion was a waste of time. Not recommended.
More later.
Doc, Zona Blue is literally two blocks from New Fantasy on the same Avenida 9. It intersects on calle 3b and if you go in and speak to Eddie, he can give you the skinny on finding the right girl for you.
Remember that while if you stay at Zona Blue which is pricey (at $195 a night) the rooms are very nice with mine having its own sauna and the girls are only $20 an hour while you stay there. It pretty much pays for itself if you have three girls in the time you stay there. Plus you don't have to go anywhere. Otherwise, it is $50/ hour. If you go to a local site and pay for the membership, it may save you some money. For competing reasons, I can't get into much details but let's just say its acronym is CRT.
Musas is a place just up the road on Avenida 7 and around calle 3. It's not very pretty and the girls are a little rough but an occasional gem. At $14 for hh, it's a bargain.
If you continue on avenida 7, just after calle 1 on the left hand side, you will see 70E otherwise known as "the dungeon". At $10 for hh, another bargain but you may have to visit several times before you find a gem.
In general, I find the girls who are from Nicaragua to be the easiest to negotiate and give the best service value-wise. Not the prettiest. That would be the Colombians but you won't get any at those bottom prices. Plus, the service is not equal to the price so if you are just looking to pound the prettiest girl and willing to pay for it, well. The Colombians it is. Ticas are often a mixed bag. They can be great or they can really be hardcore pros.
If you have mongered in Argentina or Brazil or Peru or Chile, chances are that you may be a little disappointed in the one and done mentality unless you negotiate multiple shots ahead of time or extended time or todo la noche.
Hope this helps a little. Go to Panama or Colombia instead. You have a better time and better girls! Sorry, Costa Rica has not impressed me very much and I'm sure the locals are happy to hear that I may not return because the girls are much happier with their guys who finish their hour sessions in less than 25 minutes.
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Great report, Blue Jazz, and thanks for that good information. I have been to Colombia and Brazil and Argentina, and while I have my share of fun in CR I agree with you that those other places are definitely at least a notch above. Maybe not Argentina, that's a close call for me.
After failing to find ZB last night my buddy and I went to the BM. There wasn't much there worth picking, but I did manage to find a tight spinner Tica named Alejandra/Alex. She wanted 100 and I offered 80, which she reluctantly accepted. Nevertheless, her service was excellent, and yes, Blue Jazz, the session did end significantly before the hour. But she was good. BBBJ and DFK. I'd repeat....maybe.
Off to Arenal tomorrow and some other non-mongering places, so I'll get back to you all when I return to SJ, or actually when I get to Jaco. I don't think there will be any action in between.
I totally agree with doc and blue about various other countries. I've been here several times and always enjoy it and still do. That being said, after a month in southeast asia recently. Not my first trip. I have been spoiled.
In the two days here, I have had great sessions at Zona Blue and Idem. Never had even a so so session at Zona Blue. I will branch out a bit now that the edge is taken off and check out a few of the cheaper places looking for the gem of a flacca that I so enjoy. Thanks Blue for the other massage place directions.
The problem I am having is going to BM and Key Largo. Key Largo at least has great music in my opinion at night. In two nights there, I have spotted exactly no women whom I've really wanted to be with. Grant it, several have turned my head, touched my thigh (and more) and promised me the moon they could never give me. There have been a few Colombians that were stunning but they are so stuck up. Why bother when you can go to Colombia?
If you are a first time visitor, this place is a bit of heaven compared to what we have in the states. But for me, it's much better than Tijuana but doesn't hold up against southeast asia and the places I have been to in South America.
Perhaps I just need to get out of the gulch and go to the hot springs, the beaches or jungle. One thing I really like about Costa Rica are those options. Thank god for options.
So I've been pretty much staying at different hotels every night to get a feel for the good ones and I have to say that I was truly impressed with the service and the price for the Hotel Castillo. If you are a VIP CRT member, they give you good discounts and never a chica fee. I was so tired that I couldn't even think about bringing a girl up to my room but the restaurant that is attached is open til 10pm and the bar is open til midnight with the occasional chica hanging out downstairs, often in hopes of catching another guy after her session with someone else.
Laundry service was cheap at $5 for wash and fold and the included breakfast was the standard fare. This hotel is one block from New Fantasy, about 2 blocks from the Sportsman's Lodge and 3 blocks from Zona Blue. The Hemingway Hotel is right next door on the corner and I have to say that the rooms have a really weird smell to them.
Anyway, also if you decide to rent a car, go online and make the reservation. I did mine with Budget and it came out to $29/day and $206 for 5 days including taxes and insurance. Budget will make 2 charges on your card (one for the amount of the rental and another deposit for $750). Most all of the rental companies will do this and some will put a higher amount so don't be surprised.
Last thing, even though people say it is high season in Costa Rica, there are plenty of places that are clean and have all the amenities for around $50. I was just in Playa Hermosa which is about an hour North of Tamarindo and the Villa Huetares was about $50 with breakfast included. It is not mongering spot but if you go to Playa del Coco, you may have better luck.
I'm in Tamarindo today and staying at the Tropicana which is $60 with breakfast included. Nice clean place but the grandma there is a mean old lady, never mind her.
Well, hopefully I'll have something chica related after tonight.
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I'm not sure where this should be but I'm addressing my pictures and moving on to the rest of the girls so if Jackson needs to move a copy over to the main page, so be it.
Naomi is the brunette and she is a BBBJ girl and she is YMMV on DFK. I told her that I come much quicker if she kisses (I use that on all the girls if they are hesitant - it turns out 50% of the time). None of the girls will be looking to last the whole hour and they especially didn't like the fact that I was known for taking the whole hour so by the end of the 2 days that I stayed there, they were praying that I didn't pick them.
The blonde is Lorena or Laura and she is Pamela's sister. (Pamela is the queen of Zona Blue and if you are looking for a no-holes barred kind of girl, then Pamela is the girl for you. Just be aware that she is very much a tip girl....always expecting it. Then again, for what she does, $5 or 10 wouldn't be a big deal to me.
There are several girls at ZB that give a legitimate massage including Paola. If you ask Eddie or the lady who often is at the counter, they can recommend a girl.
There is also a new girl who is in her early 30's but I forgot her name. It was her first day there and I was the first to try her out. She was BBBJ and DFK and she was totally into it as she was also rubbing herself to get off....gotta love the newbies.
There were about 6 or 7 other girls that I tried out and while none of them really disappointed, none of them really blew my socks off. For $20 a pop while I stayed there, what else could I expect.
I would say that Bar Idem has better looking girls but the service may still be a little better at Zona Blue.
Bar Idem is on Calle 9 and Avenida 8. You will see a guys club on the corner and then Eros right after it. Bar Idem is right across the street. It is around $3 for a drink and the girls are $46 for upstairs rooms or $50 for downstairs rooms. I have asked girls for their numbers so I could have them come to my place at a different time. They will go lower or offer more time outside of the club. Especially if you buy them dinner.
The phone situation is simple: Don't bother with a cell phone. Buy a $2 phone card that you can use with any phone and then call that way. You'll save tons of money.
Also, if you need Sildenafil (generic V), shop around and don't buy until you find one that is about $2 a pill. Stay away from the ones closest to the Del Rey and dead Center. They will cost the most.
Okay, enough rambling. Now go Fuck!
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[QUOTE=Member #2964]Xmas; 06 and January 07 the girls at the del ray & key largo were asking $100.$150, $200.
I walked away from the ones who stuck to the price and verble wrap.
I was able to get one to go for $30 -$40 USD plus a beer & taxi. for the best part of two hours.
I saw many who were led away for the shiering and returned to the bar within an hour as I sat with my amigos and enjoyed my beer, banter with the girls and the parade. Carnival may have been canceled on Ave Segunda but not at the DR or KL
I suggest a walk around town to the other MP'S. Had a a few new young spinners for under $15 bucks and some for $40. Try Europa 2000 and see whats under the counter
I was even able to find a 23 year old (with both natural breasts & bbbjcim) to join me at the beach for a few days. $35 per day plus travel & meals.
I great time was had by all. Pura Vida Guy's[/QUOTE]Hey 2964,
I may have been at the bar with you. I was at the BM both xmas and new years. You didn't happen to have a laptop with you at the bar by chance? At any rate I'll be back tommorow, they know me at the Del Rey as Chino Rick, hope to see you.
[QUOTE=Blue Jazz20]Doc, Zona Blue is literally two blocks from New Fantasy on the same Avenida 9. It intersects on calle 3b and if you go in and speak to Eddie, he can give you the skinny on finding the right girl for you.
Remember that while if you stay at Zona Blue which is pricey (at $195 a night) the rooms are very nice with mine having its own sauna and the girls are only $20 an hour while you stay there. It pretty much pays for itself if you have three girls in the time you stay there. Plus you don't have to go anywhere. Otherwise, it is $50/ hour. If you go to a local site and pay for the membership, it may save you some money. For competing reasons, I can't get into much details but let's just say its acronym is CRT.
Musas is a place just up the road on Avenida 7 and around calle 3. It's not very pretty and the girls are a little rough but an occasional gem. At $14 for hh, it's a bargain.
If you continue on avenida 7, just after calle 1 on the left hand side, you will see 70E otherwise known as "the dungeon". At $10 for hh, another bargain but you may have to visit several times before you find a gem.
In general, I find the girls who are from Nicaragua to be the easiest to negotiate and give the best service value-wise. Not the prettiest. That would be the Colombians but you won't get any at those bottom prices. Plus, the service is not equal to the price so if you are just looking to pound the prettiest girl and willing to pay for it, well. The Colombians it is. Ticas are often a mixed bag. They can be great or they can really be hardcore pros.
If you have mongered in Argentina or Brazil or Peru or Chile, chances are that you may be a little disappointed in the one and done mentality unless you negotiate multiple shots ahead of time or extended time or todo la noche.
Hope this helps a little. Go to Panama or Colombia instead. You have a better time and better girls! Sorry, Costa Rica has not impressed me very much and I'm sure the locals are happy to hear that I may not return because the girls are much happier with their guys who finish their hour sessions in less than 25 minutes.
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As far as ZB, Michelle does not get much press, but is an all around great performer, gives a great massage, and is an oral afficianado. Curly hair, bright hazel eyes, very sweet, but not the PSE swiniging off the chandaller girl by nature, but will give you any time of experience you want. Of cousre a threesome of Laura and Pamela is always a great, but Laura and Leticia, formerly of Oasis, is even better; they are good freinds. FYI, Laura and Pamela are not TRUE sisters, just sisters of the flesh.
The castillo is a great place for a cheap stay.
As an big fan of calle 6 and the low end places, I tend to have gotten around a great deal when I am in town. Feel free to PM me if you want low end details.
Quick question: Can anybody recommend a Doc in SJ who can write a prescription for medication that I can't get OTC? Can any Dr. do it, or only the ones at the hospital?
Thanks
Depending on what prescription you are referring to, almost anything can be purchased directly from a Pharmacy. If you are looking for Vitamin-type pills, almost all of them can be bought OTC here without a problem. Sildenafil is the generic version of Viagra and comes in 50mg or 100mg. You'll find several manufacturers including Genfar, Calox, APO, and a couple of others that I am forgetting off the top of my head.
Real Viagra costs about $6-10 per pill depending on where you go and how many per box.
Cialis is $15-30 per pill
Levitra is $10-25 per pill
The generics all range from $2-4 per pill depending on whether you want 50 or 100mg pills and the manufacturer. Don't buy close to the center or near the Del Ray. These places are a total rip-off because they know the gringos come in and still believe it is a bargain but if you walk less than 5 blocks from the DR, about $2-3 is all you should be paying. Not $5-7 per pill.
Everything else. If you have to have the same manufacturer, just bring the bottle so they know the pill and manufacturer. Otherwise, generics can be very cheap and easy to get.
I was thinking more in terms of controlled substances like Ritalin or Ambien.
[QUOTE=Shadowj]I was thinking more in terms of controlled substances like Ritalin or Ambien.[/QUOTE]
Tried to get some Ritalin on the last trip for a friend's child. Pharmacist said a prescription was required. Probably because it's a narcotic (I didn't know that before this exercise). Also, with that in mind (being a narcotic) it might not be prudent to bring it back through customs anyway, even with a local Rx. Can't speak on Ambien, I usually just use a couple of double Jack & Gingers.
/Dan D.
Well after almost a week on the road with no action, Arenal, Montezuma and Jaco, I hit the ground running upon arrival back in SJ today. I headed right over to Zona Blue. I know you guys that are raving about it can´t all be wrong, so I´m guessing that I just went on a bad day, or bad time of the day. There were about 12 girls there, 4 to 7. I picked a 19 year old Tica who calls herself Catalina. Well I hope this is the closest I ever come to having sex with a cadaver, because it was very unpleasant. Then she had the nerve to ask me for a tip. I just had to laugh.
It´s all good, the day is still young.
On my last trip I stopped off at the pharmacy on Avenida Central, just West of Calle 9, North side. Was offered half a gazillion Viagras or Cialis for the purchase of a full gazillion. The prices were about 50% higher than I paid in Colombia a few months before (Cialis was $8 a pill in Cartagena & nearly $15 a pill there as I recall).
BUT......after talking a bit & commenting that I never tried Levitra the pharmacist gave me two to try at N/C. I certainly would never suggest any hard-working reputable mongers lie to get free drugs, I'm merely sharing this for the anecdotal value.
/Dan D.
I had an experience like that at Zona Blue. The woman was drop dead gorgeous, as good as anything at the Del Rey, but she had all the passion of a starfish. She wouldn't even kiss. I did the deed and asked her to recommend someone more passionate. She asked around, and after about 30 minutes in the bar I went back with her recommendation, a "5" or "6" that was absolutely fantastic. She was disappointed that I only came twice.
I was in San Jose last week and went by ZB on Sunday about noon. The line-up was as you described. My 19 year old Tica, Cary, was a "6" or "7", and was a solid performer, not quite GFE but very pleasant. No tip requested but I did provide one.
[QUOTE=Doc Bill] There were about 12 girls there, 4 to 7. I picked a 19 year old Tica who calls herself Catalina. Well I hope this is the closest I ever come to having sex with a cadaver, because it was very unpleasant. Then she had the nerve to ask me for a tip. I just had to laugh.[/QUOTE]
Well, fortunately I made up for my Zona Blue experience with Anna at Idem tonight. It was a great way to end the trip. For those of you who don't know her I would recommend her highly. She's Nicaraguan (sp?) with a great personality and even greater performance. She knows all the tricks to please.
By the way, I loved staying at the Presidente. Great staff and comfort and service. I never had any problem bringing a girl in, but maybe that's because I made a point of making friends with the guard on my arrival.
So thus ends my Costa Rica sojourn. I had a great time, with many thanks to you guys and this forum for making it a lot easier. It's a great place to do a lot of things other than sex, and just for sex I much prefer Rio and BA. But overall it was a real thumbs up trip!
I've used the Morazon as a short time hotel and have not been satisfied. It costs way too much and sometimes you have to wait to get a room. I ran across another option on this trip. Exit the Del Rey and head in the opposite direction from the Morazon. Go to the end of the block and hook a right. There's a short time place on the right side of the street. I don't remember the name, but your date will know. The cost is 4000 colones, or about $8. The rooms are clean and have a shower, but they're cramped. Some are better than others. Watch out when they give you change. Second time I went there I gave the woman a 10,000 and she claimed it was a 5,000 note.
The hotel Tiny is referring to is the Hotel Asia
Beware of Hotel Asia. Yes you guessed it. It is run by Chinese. If you have never been to a rathole you deserve a visit. Bed is very small and there is absolutely no privacy. The shower does not have hot water. Before and after the deed I like to really clean up and I expect the girls to do the same. The place did not look clean enough to me.
$10 short time they can do better in San Jose.
I am sure there are better short time hotels if you ask around.
[QUOTE=Sammon]Beware of Hotel Asia. Yes you guessed it. It is run by Chinese. If you have never been to a rathole you deserve a visit. Bed is very small and there is absolutely no privacy. The shower does not have hot water. Before and after the deed I like to really clean up and I expect the girls to do the same. The place did not look clean enough to me.
$10 short time they can do better in San Jose.
I am sure there are better short time hotels if you ask around.[/QUOTE]
I was there a few weeks ago. If you don’t know where it is the girl will say you need to take a taxi that will cost 5000. The taxi takes you around the block. When you ask why it cost $10 to go around the block, the girl will say that it is for her protection. She probably splits the price with the driver.
Just another scam.
There's a guy on ISG who never misses a chance to blame me for running up prices for hookers in Latin America by paying too much. That may be true, but at least I am not running up the prices for short time hotel rooms.
[QUOTE=Asd Qwert]I was there a few weeks ago. If you don’t know where it is the girl will say you need to take a taxi that will cost 5000. The taxi takes you around the block. When you ask why it cost $10 to go around the block, the girl will say that it is for her protection. She probably splits the price with the driver.
Just another scam.[/QUOTE]Of course the place is a dump! What you're paying for is the COVENIENCE of a relatively cheap ST place right around the corner from the HDR/BM where you can take a chica for a quickie if you're staying someplace far from the Gulch or where for one reason or other can't bring back chicas. Bear in mind there are guys that stay at places that charge $10 or more for you just to bring back chicas to a room you've already paid for. Come to think of it the Hotel Del Rey is one of them. For just $10, you're not going to get the Taj Mahal. Sure there are much nicer places that you can get for just $10, but are they literally just around the corner from the HDR.
As for the left side of the keyboard here, sure there are chicas, taxistas and others that will scam you, sorry, but I suspect if you fell for this one you must have just fell off of the turnip truck. Let's dissect where you went wrong:
1) Cab rides anywhere in downtown shouldn't cost more than $2-3. How much did your cab cost to get there? When she said you'd have to pay $10 for a cab, I'd be thinking where is she taking me? To the moon? And if it really costs that much to get there, why can't we find someplace a hell of a lot closer? If this place she was telling you about only cost $nearly as much just getting to?
2) Who chose the cab? You or her? Even if you chose the cab, how did you choose it? An even more common scam that newbies fall prey to in SJ is to take one of the cabs that are waiting for them outside the front doors of the HDR. Whichever one you get into, you can expect every one of them to try and charge you rates at least double what you should be paying. ALWAYS, ignore those hucksters and flag down one of the cabs that to pass by on the street seemingly about once every 10 seconds or so. And if you don't really know how much the fare should cost, insist that they use the meter ("la maria por favor").
3) If you take a cab and it only goes a block or two AND you either forget to ask for the meter or don't bother with it AND they ask for some ridiculous amount like 5000c, tell them to fuck themselves. Well maybe not literally, being obstinate and offensive in CR rarely accomplishes anything positive, but don't just roll over either. Tell him you know how much it should cost by tossing him a 1K note and leaving it at that, no matter how much he feigns outrage. Whats he going to do about it? He's the one that is operating his cab illegally. Some might argue that you're even rewarding his poor behavior with that since essentially your "tip" is as much as the real fare. Others would argue that the drivers lose money on the short hauls due to lost opportunities for the longer ones but on no occasion should you pay more than 2K for such a short run.
4) How was the girl? I hope she was really good for what you really wound up paying for her (her fee, the room and the extra cabfare). What I have found is beyond the amount of the scam, which if you're smart you won't fall for anyway, is that any chica that is trying to play you on something like is probably one to avoid for other reasons, namely what else is she going to try and play you for once you get to the room. At the very least, it is usually greatly diminished service if she was unable to collect her hidden fees on you in other ways.
As for the "Oh you only gave me a 5K note" scam that Tiny fell for, that is much easier to understand. You can try to look out for it, but it always seems to happen when you least expect it and let up for a second. And then what are you going to do? However, I'll give a slightly different spin on the Hotel Asia - Hotel Morazon comparisons. Sure the Morazon is twice as much but the rooms are easily twice as nice. And they may not always have rooms available, but bear in mind they're not primarily a ST hotel. Their room stock is whatever they haven't sold to regular overnight guests. If you go during busy season don't expect to always be able to find a ST room there when you go. At other times, you'll probably have much better luck. However both these places are within short walking distance of the HDR/BM, so if you need a place to go for just an hour or two and don't want to pay for a cab ride someplace else, they are your only alternatives.
O.K., how about this real life experience. You're late for a flight. You're on the west side of San Jose, and the trip FROM the airport to your hotel cost 7000 colones ($13.50) a week before. You flag down a taxi, and load your luggage. The guy takes off and refuses to turn on the meter. You tell him to stop and let you out. But you're a little worried, because your suitcase is in the trunk. He doesn't stop, and says he'll take you to the airport for US$20. You tell him that's B.S., that you paid 7000 coming. He says O.K., what will you pay. You tell him, O.K., 8000 colones. He agrees. Now for the next 20 minutes you have to listen to him gripe and moan and complain about how he hasn't got any money, how the traffic is going to suck on the way back, how he can't pick up a fare at the airport, etc., etc. He wants $20. You stand firm. Then he says he hates you and he likes to kick peoples asses for fun. You tell him O.K., I'll pay you $17. That's 8800 colones. He asks for $18. Finally he drops you off, but instead of going to the departure area he dumps you off on the main road, which, considering you've got a large suitcase is a pain in the rear. To be fair, he did say he didn't have a permit to drop people off at the airport.
So my question, What would Brian Boitano do? Err, I mean, what would Prolijo do in a similar situation?
Bad trip. You dont mention what hotel you got the taxi in front off. I do know that a metered (Maria) ride from the Europa Hotel is $12.00 or 6 MIL. Europa is a 360 colon ride from the DR. I know this was so in January and I negociated the price with a taxi I had hailed off the street earlier that day when I had some last min shopping to do: we rode around (stop & shop) the city for the best part of 40 min's for about 5-6 bucks. Cheap at 3 times the price for all I had to do. Thats right he came back to the hotel 2 hours later at the arranged time to pick me up for the ride to the airport. NOTE: Any taxi or car can drop you off at the airport curbside. No special permit is needed.
I also met a great "conductor" in November; at New years I had some friends come in from Paris arriving mid afternoon December 31. Fabian picked up my friends (sign in the window) and drove them to Punteranus in time for them to get the ferry;2.5 - 3 hour trip one way then return trip to SJ. cost $70.00 plus a very greatful tip from my friends. My friends had expected paying $150.00. My point is talk to the taxi conductor first and not all conductors are rip-offs.
[QUOTE=Member #2964]I was able to get one to go for $30 -$40 USD plus a beer & taxi. for the best part of two hours.
I was even able to find a 23 year old (with both natural breasts & bbbjcim) to join me at the beach for a few days. $35 per day plus travel & meals.[/QUOTE]I would love to see the pics of the babes who would go for $30-40 for 2 hours while most ask for $80-100/hr.
I would also like to see a pic of the girl who would travel for $35/day while the average daily fee would be like $150.
Did you post pics, or can you email them to me? I'm very curious to see if you got really lucky. Gracias amigo.
Tiny, I don't see how you could confuse me with a male figure skater unless because like him I like to play around with hot looking spinners.
Again, I can't totally second guess your actions. There have been times when I've forgotten to ask for the meter before I've gotten in a taxi. However, if I didn't see a meter running I've always asked them to put it on within seconds of taking off. And, if they've balked, I've insisted they stop and let me out. So far, I've run into a few scammers who refuse to put on the meter but I've yet to run into any that have refused to let me out or otherwise acted in the psycho manner you described of your guy. Then again, I've never been in that situation running late to the airport with a bag in the trunk.
Now as to what I THINK I'd do in your situation?
1) Ask for the meter or at least ask "cuánto cuesta" knowing what the fair price is and either turn him down flat or tell him what the right price is and hence what I was willing to pay before even getting in the cab
2) If I had forgotten to ask first, I'd ask very soon afterwards.
3) If he refused, I'd ask him to stop and let me out so I could get another cab and pay nada (there's nothing on the meter, remember). However, if I forgot to ask right away and had gone more than a few blocks I might give him 3-400c (which is approx. the starting meter fare). I'd never make it out of the city without thinking about it.
4) If I had bags with me, I always insist they go in the back seat with me (just 1 person in cab leaves a lot of room unless you're packing a steamer trunk).
5) If I had bags in the trunk and was worried about that, I'd make very careful note of the driver's name placard (even addressing him by name so that he knows that I've looked at it). I don't think the drivers are too likely to take off with your luggage if they know you'll be able to report them on it. I'm sure their job, despite any complaints, is worth more to him than anything in your luggage.
6) If in leiu of the meter, you and the driver agree to a mutually acceptable price, I'd insist both sides stick to it, myself included. However, unless I had placed myself in some desperate position like you had, I doubt I'd agree to more than the standard price. After all anything higher is just rewarding bad behavior.
7) If the driver bitches and moans about the price after that, I'd remind him that he agreed to it and that I knew that even THAT amount was more than the standard fare and if he continued I'd simply ignore his talk knowing that he's getting more than a fair price (so fuck him).
8) If the driver starts acting threatening and says how much "he hates you and he likes to kick peoples asses for fun", I'd say I don't care if he does since the feeling is mutual and "le odio también" and how much I LOVE to practice my Tae Kwon Do and get asshole cabbies fired "consigo su trabajo terminado" at which point I'd look at his placard and call him by his full name to make sure he gets the point. Don't let some fatass cabdriver intimidate you, 9 times out of 10 with guys like this its all bluster.
9) Finally, if after all that, he lets me out in front of the parking garage rather than enter the terminal drive, I'd just be thanking my lucky stars I made it that far with that psycho and simply accept my losses.
I should also add that in my last few trips to SJ I've been taking the public bus and just allowed enough time to get to or from the airport that I'm never rushed or desperate. It doesn't take much longer and the bus driver has always been more than happy to take my buck without making a single complaint.
BTW, if 2964 can find a cab driver to drive around in stop and go city traffic for 40 minutes for $5-6 and then be happy enough with that deal that he'll show up at your hotel 2 hours later to do more business with you than that should give you some idea on how profitable a 40 minute roundtrip drive to the airport really is at even just twice that amount. Even with heavy traffic and the roundtrip taking him an hour or more $12-13 is a GOOD fare.
2964, I was in Rohrmoser, close to the Panamericana. With the meter I think fare would have been less than $10.
Prolijo, you've got some good ideas, in particular keeping your luggage in the back seat, and quoting the name on the placard back to him. BTW, I did threaten to leave the cab within 2 blocks of when he picked me up, and that was after he said he wasn't going to turn the meter on.
You have to be a South Park fan to understand reference to Brian Boitano, but trust me, it was a compliment.
Some info from my trip:
Taxis: like everywhere, the ones that park in front of the clubs are most likely to deliver a bad experience, no meter.
Find a cab that is dropping off, ask for your destination before you get in and point at the meter which should be set to 365c to start. $4 takes you across the entire city. Study a city map until you know the city by memory. You will have to walk out 20-30 yards from a club to catch one of the honest drivers. Cabs have different zones they deliver to, so ask for your destination before getting in.
Walking: Walking during the daytime is safe everywhere within four blocks N & S of Ave. Central. The exception is the SW quadrant of the city using the Central Market at point zero. This area is full of lookouts and banger types milling around on corners and watching the streets. I was followed when I entered the area and had to double back since I didn’t want to get boxed in. Walking at night anywhere is dicey, take a cab.
Safety: I witnessed an attack against an American around 9pm on Ave. Central in front of the News Café, the armed guards for the hotel watched their guest get attacked, the Ticos in the area did nothing to help the guy. 20 American men piling out the café drove off the 5 attackers; the victim was walking with his wife. They were going for his large gold chain. After 15 minutes still no police. The thieves use spotters to signal who to mug. Keep your personal and business information to yourself and don’t talk about what you own, your business etc. kidnapping is not a problem in the country but there are people trying to pump for information. Better to cry about your “shitty social security payment and x wife who got everything”. Leave all of your jewelry and good watch at home and your wallet in the safe, keep your cash ($100 max.) and ID in a front pocket at all times. If you are the only one on a street or it feels unsafe, back out ASAP. Always try to find a partner or group to walk or travel with. If you feel threatened walk into a restaurant or another business with customers. Do not allow anyone to stop you.
Food: There are plenty of good restaurants so this is not an issue. News Café, Key Largo, Balmoral Terrace and Grand Hotel Costa Rica to name a few are up to any standards and taste quite good. Plenty of the low cost places are great if you order what the Ticos eat. If you are looking for French food, go to France.
Scale: My scale has Kim Baysinger as a 10 when she was at her peak. Medium everything with a pretty face.
Blue Marlin and Key Largo: Good food, gambling, reasonable drink prices, well lighted lots of security. 100+ girls on any night with Thursday-Sat the heaviest. Bell shaped curve with most of the girls in the 3-5 category and maybe 10 at the 7 or higher who tend to go fast. The Ticos like girls that are heavy in the bottom and legs, so one man’s 4 maybe another man’s 8. Lots of part timers that show up after work or school four or five nights a week. Negotiate up front and pay after delivery, there is no quality control on service so all of the promises have no recourse for no delivery. All ask for $100, will settle for $80 which in some cases is more than they are worth for any amount of time. Some will bolt the minute they get the cash or five minutes later.
Always plenty of low lifes on the street and corners around this place, smile and say “no thanks” and keep walking. Do not allow anyone to stop you. Recommend this place for the food, drinks and some of the girls.
Zona Blue & Fantasy MP: Both are in Amon NE. Both are pricey; facilities are clean and well guarded, lots of staff and appear to be professionally managed. A lot of the girls tend to be thick in the bottoms and legs catering to the local upscale market. Lots of 4-6s. A few 7-10s on my scale that are usually booked or out of sight. Recommend.
Europa 2000 MP: Calle 3 NE. Sign out front. Avoid, what a dump
Muses MP: Ave 7 NE. Sign out front. Clean, professional with small staff of 2-4’s. Maybe the staff is better at other times. Low cost
Centro MP: Calle 4, Ave 4 SW. No sign on the outside and looks like a dump from the outside.
Camelot Bar: Ave 4 SE near C3-5., sign out front. Big oval bar, nothing above a five when I stuck my head in. Tico bar. May be worth a look if passing by.
Sala Vilma MP: Ave 6, near C32 SW. Sign out front happy paint job may be worth a look. Low cost
Veronica’s MP: C 36 SW. 50 meters south of P. Colon on East side of street. Narrow building with no sign, appears to be busy. Tico MP. Guess, they don’t want to upset the neighbors. May be worth a look. Low cost.
Centerfolds Strip Club: AVE 1 NE. One block from BM. Professionally managed, clean. Was dead the night I stuck my head in. Girls are dropped on your lap to request drinks. The girls are asking $100 for the hour, $20 for two dances. 4-6s. May be better on other nights. I would avoid.
Tango India and Atlantis Strip Clubs: Both away from the downtown, require a cab ride. Rave reviews on the quality. Expect to spend in excess of $200-$300. Read other reviews to see if these places are dine in or carry out or more details.
Illusions MP: C9 near Ave 12 SE: Sign out front. 6-7 girls in the 5-6 category that are very doable. This is a Tico place. Prices are cheap, quality control is good and the rooms are OK. Could be cleaner. Worth a look. Opens at 10 am. Recommend.
IDEM Bar: C11 near A10 SE: Sign out front. Clean, friendly, professionally managed, excellent quality control, reasonable drink prices, 12-20 girls in the 6-10 range. $48 hour. Opens at 3 pm closes at 11 pm. Strongest recommendation.
Pluto, I some what agree on most of your post. From all the places you list. You are not a "start at delray. Go to kl. End up at delray " kind of guy. However as I keep finding out, the key to most of these places is. Hang around for more than 3 mins. Get a beer (if you can) and just wait it out. I have hit some nice, fun, ass at the europa 2000 had a 2 on 1 for like 25. 00 bucks (I think thats what I paid) and just the thought of each one taking turns sucking me off was worth the trip. But while banging a 90 lb tica, while the other ate her friend out. Is what brings me back to san jose. But I never would of had it, but a friend told me the same thing I want to share with you (and the board) as like you I walk up to a place, stick my head in. See 3 or 4 girls just laying on a couch and don't say anything to me. I say screw this and always leave but on my last few trips I just hold tight and wait it out. I had never stayed longer than 10 mins at the zona blue. Then I stayed and got to see 10 girls dancing, kissing, flashing tits and muffs. Plus getting to play with more than half on them, before taking one that gave such a wild time. That I thought would never happen there.
ChiliMike
Hey Pluto, Nice report and you covered a lot of good places. Nest trip you may want to explore a little more in Paseo Colon area as several good places besides Sala Vilma and Veronicas. I know of Oasis, Saphires around corner, VIP Massage and Kama Sutra Massage. Also The Dungeon( 70 E ) Ave 7 between Calle Central and Calle 1 is the best low end massage place near the gulch but facilites are very basic.rbc100
Guys,
I'm planning another trip to CR. When I went last year I had a great time in the "gulch" area but this time around I'd like to venture out a little further and go into the El Pueblo District to see what the offerings are out there. Does anyone have the 411 on this area? Is it worth going there to meet, greet, and sheet local women? Any info mucho gracias!
Current Report:
The strongest MP lineup is at Idem, second is Zona Blue, third is New Fantasy.
Idem has some girls who defected from ZB in the past few months (try Mia), but ZB has been hiring new ones (try Andrea). They may be unproven, but they are hot. NF can be very much hit or miss, but they have some cuties (try Stephanie).
The situation Jaco is downright pitiful. The Beatle Bar is currently a collection of cows and butterfaces who won't take less than $100/hr (usually about 30-40 mins). Avoid Jaco, hotels suck and are way overpriced and so are the chicas.
The best strip club in town is Pantera Rosa. Free entry & 1 drink with CRT card. The dancers are hot. You can bang them in the panther room just off the stage for less than $30 for 15-20 minutes. Try Cynthia.
I have a villa in San Jose 10 miles from airport and a complimentary free pick up from airport to villa.I booked it for July 3-to July 10 but unable to go due to family reason.If anyone interested to rent it, please let me know. It has a pool, sleep up to 8 people, and has full kitchen. My charge is only the price to cover my Maintenance fee and exchange fee .
Kid,
Can you post the address, directions or cross streets for the club that U recommend?
Cheers,
Pluto2
[QUOTE=Pluto2]Kid,
Can you post the address, directions or cross streets for the club that U recommend?
Cheers,
It is at the corner of Avienda 14 and Calle 9 or Paseo de los Estudiantes as it is called in the south end. If you leave the New York Bar and go left it is about 6 or seven blocks, It is across the street from La Mansion which is worth checking out they used to have a 2 girl 1 hour special for 15,000 colones. Pantera Rose is a late spot, I believe it opens at 10:30 pm and does not really get goin until about midnight. It is my favorite strip club in San Jose.
[QUOTE=Meal Soy Hooing]Looking at 161 girls and saw this.....
$400(全套Combo)
$500(全套Combo+舒服保健)
What does it mean?
Thanks!!![/QUOTE]You're much better off just using the sex 141 site... there's an English version.
If you just hop on babelfish... this is what you get:
全套 = Complete set = Quan2 Tao4. Basically means "full service" if I translate the slang.
舒服保健 = Comfortable health care. I'm not familiar with this slang. But I guess that it's supposed to convey a sense of safety.
[QUOTE=Pluto2]Can you post the address, directions or cross streets for the club that U recommend?[/QUOTE]Its a little hard to describe but Pantera Rosa is at approximately Calle 9 and Avenida 16. Calle 9 is the street the HDR/BM is on so you head down that street crossing Avenida 2 (the main drag through town) and go approximately 6 blocks until you get to a fork in the road. That's why I'm not sure if its on Calle 9 exactly or not. But there will be a gas station at the fork and you stay on the main drag and go to the left. There will be a little side street part way down on the left (Avenida 16?), which BTW is the way you go to get to La Mansion MP. Anyway, Pantera Rosa will be a little bit past that also on your left. If you get to the park you've gone too far.
I've read a lot here about Oasis but (maybe I'm wrong) I can't find info how I can find this MP. Because I'll be in SJO within some weeks maybe somebody could help me?
Thanks!
[QUOTE=Erik2003]I've read a lot here about Oasis but (maybe I'm wrong) I can't find info how I can find this MP. Because I'll be in SJO within some weeks maybe somebody could help me?
Thanks![/QUOTE]Ask the taxista to take you to the Machu Pichu Restaurant. Oasis is across the street.
DB
There are actually 2 Machu Pichu Restaurants and, surprisingly, there are also many taxistas who don't seem to know where even some of the most popular restaurants are located even though they're in the business of driving around many of the tourists (and locals) that go to them.
The taxista or tico landmark in that area that is most commonly used is the KFC on Paseo Colon. I've also had taxistas that don't even seem to understand KFC or kay efay say, so you might also need to call it Pollo de Kentucky (I swear it sometimes seems that you have to pass a dumbness test to become an SJ cabbie). This may not seem to make much sense either since there are scores of KFC's around town too, but this KFC is really a commonly referred to local landmark.
The complete directions are "cientos y cincuenta metros de norte del KFC (or Pollo de Kentucky) en Paseo Colon" or a block and a half north of the KFC (on the left). You might also need to look for a doorway with a security guy out front since the place doesn't have any sign and you could be staring right at it and not know it. I usually just get out when I see Colonel Sanders sitting on a bench and walk the rest of the way.
I am planning a trip for about 8-10 guys (bachelor party) in May to stay in San Jose. I've been reading through the board and have been able to obtain some great information. I'm still not sure where we should stay. It seems like the Hotel Presidente is the best bet if you can appease the security guard to lax the rules. Can someone recommend whether this is the best place to stay? Definitely looking for something nicer rather than trying to save money (e.g., in the US, prefer the Westin over the Ramada Inn). Also need a girl friendly hotel.
We also want to go whitewater rafting one day, and hire a boat to go deep sea fishing another day. Any recommendations?
Thanks in advance!
I have no clue what the "address" or cross-streets are for Pantera Rosa. I just take a taxi and I have never encountered a driver who didn't know where it is.
If you get a driver that says he doesn't know it, he probably does but wants to take you somewhere where he'll get a gringo commission.
Ask the cabbie before you get in and if he says he doesn't know --> NEXT!
[QUOTE=Poker Man]I am planning a trip for about 8-10 guys (bachelor party) in May to stay in San Jose. I've been reading through the board and have been able to obtain some great information. I'm still not sure where we should stay. It seems like the Hotel Presidente is the best bet if you can appease the security guard to lax the rules. Can someone recommend whether this is the best place to stay? Definitely looking for something nicer rather than trying to save money (e.g., in the US, prefer the Westin over the Ramada Inn). Also need a girl friendly hotel.
We also want to go whitewater rafting one day, and hire a boat to go deep sea fishing another day. Any recommendations?
Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]
Try Sportsmen lodge older rooms okay new rooms equal Westin staff can arrange rafting, deep sea fishing and there are reliable drivers with new vans to travel with 8 people, plus entertainment available on site or 3 block walk to Del 'Ray/Blue Marlin and the gulch 1 block on same street to New Fantasy 2 blocks on same street to Zona Blue.
del Ray
Pokerman,
I don't know for certain and you should definitely check for yourself, but it wouldn't surprise me if you run into a little trouble trying to find 8-10 seperate rooms for a bunch of guys at the few more popular "girl-friendly" hotels that are close to the Gulch this close to your departure date.
Thunderpants is obviously one of the many diehard fans of the SL, and it IS indeed a fine place to go if you want to be in a hotel that caters to the mongering crowd. But I think he overstates some of its advantages. Just about any hotel you'd stay at (certainly those of the "Westin" class or better) would be more than happy to help you arrange your tours and transportation. The SL is also well located but it is more like 4 long diagonal blocks to the HDR/BM across parks and streets that you might not want to walk after dark and it more like 2-3 blocks to NF and 5 to ZB, still very close but not as close as TP made out. Finally, the SL is an exceedingly popular place and is often sold out, even at the tail end of the peak season when you'll be going, as the indoor sport of mongering is much more of a year-round event than traditional eco-touring.
Like I said, if you can get 8-10 of the newer rooms at the relatively small SL in May, go for it. However, I think if the Ramada is not up to your standards, then the you probably won't be satisfied with the older rooms at the SL either. If you can't get 8 of the better rooms there, you might consider putting some of your crew up just around the corner at the nearby Hotel Castillo, only about 1.5 blocks away. There are some other nice girl-friendly hotels in the same general neighborhood including the Casa Vino, Inca Real, Dunn Inn and the Clarion Amon Plaza. Since these places do not serve as exclusively a monger crowd you might have better luck finding vacancies especially at the Amon which has more rooms overall than the others and often has a lot of vacancies. In fact, I think they may be pretty hard up trying to fill the place and if you book through their casino you can get a substantial discount over their usual rates and also avoid any chica fees ([url]http://www.casino-paradiso.com/acco.htm[/url].
[QUOTE=Prolijo]Its a little hard to describe but Pantera Rosa is at approximately Calle 9 and Avenida 16. Calle 9 is the street the HDR/BM is on so you head down that street crossing Avenida 2 (the main drag through town) and go approximately 6 blocks until you get to a fork in the road. That's why I'm not sure if its on Calle 9 exactly or not. But there will be a gas station at the fork and you stay on the main drag and go to the left. There will be a little side street part way down on the left (Avenida 16?), which BTW is the way you go to get to La Mansion MP. Anyway, Pantera Rosa will be a little bit past that also on your left. If you get to the park you've gone too far.[/QUOTE]
it's to the left of the gas station...go no further
Pantara Rosa aka The Pink Panther. Directions and all info can be had here;
[url]www.pantera-rosa.com[/url]. Everyone loves a picture and a map.
[QUOTE=Member #2666]it's to the left of the gas station...go no further[/QUOTE]I seem to recall that it was actually a little bit beyond the gas station just PAST the little side street that leads to La Mansion, but the map at their website suggests otherwise, so you might be correct. Certainly I would agree that if it is a little further down the street it is not very far at all.
Pantera Rosa is just about directly across the street from the gas station. I have often walked up to the corner to catch an incoming taxi towards downtown on leaving many times.rbc100
Your best bet is Amon Plaza. They almost always have rooms and they have a casino, tour desk, and a decent breakfast. Not up to Westin standards but definitely good. Be sure to use the link provided by Prolijo. Sportmen's and Presidente will have trouble providing as many rooms as you need.
If you walk outside the hoterl front door and look to your left and across the street, you may see a guy and a van. He speaks great English and can take you anywhere in the country--including fishing trips. I'll message you with with his name if I can find his card.
Thanks for the information. The presidente did not have a single room, let alone any suites we wanted. The Del Ray also didn't have many rooms (no suites), however due to the web cam access via the internet we can't tell our wives we're staying there. The SL did not have rooms and the AMON plaza is currently undergoing some trouble between the casino and hotel owners (ability to get good deals thru casino is on hold). Thus, we are left with the Holiday Inn, which I understand is nicely located although it has the $25 chica fee as does most other hotels. Was able to get 10 rooms there for $80 each, so not bad. And may get presidental suite for our HQ, but it is pricey. Obviously, we wanted better spot, but in talking to most of the hotels the nice rooms (especially suites) go 3-4 months in advance for the time we're going. Plus, we may end up closer to 12-15 rooms.
You did good, three notches above the rest of them; often that place sticks at $100 per.
Nice hotel, great location. I failed to mention Sleep Inn which is right next to the Blue Marlin, but they aren't girl frindly either. Sleep Inn in San Jose is actually a very nice hotel. Doesn't seem you had a lot of other options for this trip.
When you go to Blue Marlin don't worry about the webcam. It only shows the bar and bartenders. You won't see any working chicas or customers on the webcam. I may be down there in May. I'll say hello if I see you. A group of 8-10 guys shouldn't be hard to spot.
Have a great trip
Headed in on april 18-23. A group of 6 of us for a bit of mongering. Any suggestions on a hotel that’s nice, cheap, and is girl friendly. Willing to spend just a bit more for safety and cleanliness only if needed. Are there any suites with beds in two rooms for a couple of us to share?
Would appreciate any info and also, help with an itinerary for some of us for 4 days. thanks
[QUOTE=Gman9365]Headed in on april 18-23. A group of 6 of us for a bit of mongering. Any suggestions on a hotel that’s nice, cheap, and is girl friendly. Willing to spend just a bit more for safety and cleanliness only if needed. Are there any suites with beds in two rooms for a couple of us to share?
Would appreciate any info and also, help with an itinerary for some of us for 4 days. thanks[/QUOTE]
Sportsmen Lode has rooms with two beds also a set of rooms with a shared bath ideal for two people about $50 per room.
It is very clean and well located and has on site chicas.
[QUOTE=ThunderPants][QUOTE=Gman9365]Headed in on april 18-23. A group of 6 of us for a bit of mongering. Any suggestions on a hotel that’s nice, cheap, and is girl friendly. Willing to spend just a bit more for safety and cleanliness only if needed. Are there any suites with beds in two rooms for a couple of us to share?
Would appreciate any info and also, help with an itinerary for some of us for 4 days. thanks[/QUOTE]
Sportsmen Lode has rooms with two beds also a set of rooms with a shared bath ideal for two people about $50 per room.
It is very clean and well located and has on site chicas.[/QUOTE]See my post from 3/11 and Pokerman's results from 2 days ago, especially the part about the suites going out 3-4 months in advance. Granted that was for 10 guys but it was for 2 months out and you're looking for something just 1 month away, so a lot of the same issues probably apply.
Its clear TP is a big SL fan and you should certainly check them out. However they only have 22 rooms and only one set (in the clubhouse wing) like TP described with 2 std rooms w/shared bath (the Alegria & Fiesta @ $49 ea) and a large standard (Pura Vida @ $69) and deluxe standard (Amistad @ $79). The 2 latter rooms have 2 double beds but I don't think you guys are really going to want to share if you're going to be bringing chicas back. I mean you could do the whole college dorm thing of taking turns with the rooms with one guy waiting downstairs in the bar until his roomie is finished or maybe you don't care whats going on in the next bed or even will want to swap, but most guys don't like having to look at their buddies naked ass while they're trying to get it on and appreciate the extra privacy without the inconvenience. Your post suggested as much when you asked about "suites with beds in [b]two[/b] rooms". And all this assumes you can even get all those rooms together, which I think is highly doubtful. I would think even getting 6 rooms out of the full 22 spread out through the entire hotel is fairly questionable this late in the game, but at least [u]might[/u] be possible.
Unfortunately, what I thought might be a large group's best bet, the Amon Plaza, seems to be having some "issues" right now. The Holiday Inn that Pokerman and his buddies ended up with is always a possibility but to me that huge chica fee is a real deal breaker. One more possibility, that normally wouldn't be my first pick but which some CR vets seem to really like is the downtown Best Western. It suffers from being a US chain which is also a negative in my book (though not the deal breaker the chica fees would be). It also is not in the nicest neighborhood and is a longer daytime walk from the HDR/BM (at night you'd be taking cabs anyway). But on the plus side, its very close to some of the cheaper tico MP's, reasonably priced and has NO chica fees. They have nearly 70 rooms and so could probably easily put you all up even at this late date.
Heading to jaco form 4/11 to 4/13 then one nite in san jose. Staying at copa in jaco and presedenta for the last nite on Saturday, the 14. Is it safe to walk streets at nite in Jaco? Plan to hit all the spots recommended on this site. Would like to stop at the Kamur in san jose. Has any one been there? Any recommendations for a good strip club. When I return I plan to share my experiences.
Thanks
[QUOTE=Prolijo]See my post from 3/11 and Pokerman's results from 2 days ago, especially the part about the suites going out 3-4 months in advance. Granted that was for 10 guys but it was for 2 months out and you're looking for something just 1 month away, so a lot of the same issues probably apply.
Its clear TP is a big SL fan and you should certainly check them out. However they only have 22 rooms and only one set (in the clubhouse wing) like TP described with 2 std rooms w/shared bath (the Alegria & Fiesta @ $49 ea) and a large standard (Pura Vida @ $69) and deluxe standard (Amistad @ $79). The 2 latter rooms have 2 double beds but I don't think you guys are really going to want to share if you're going to be bringing chicas back. I mean you could do the whole college dorm thing of taking turns with the rooms with one guy waiting downstairs in the bar until his roomie is finished or maybe you don't care whats going on in the next bed or even will want to swap, but most guys don't like having to look at their buddies naked ass while they're trying to get it on and appreciate the extra privacy without the inconvenience. Your post suggested as much when you asked about "suites with beds in [b]two[/b] rooms". And all this assumes you can even get all those rooms together, which I think is highly doubtful. I would think even getting 6 rooms out of the full 22 spread out through the entire hotel is fairly questionable this late in the game, but at least [u]might[/u] be possible.
Unfortunately, what I thought might be a large group's best bet, the Amon Plaza, seems to be having some "issues" right now. The Holiday Inn that Pokerman and his buddies ended up with is always a possibility but to me that huge chica fee is a real deal breaker. One more possibility, that normally wouldn't be my first pick but which some CR vets seem to really like is the downtown Best Western. It suffers from being a US chain which is also a negative in my book (though not the deal breaker the chica fees would be). It also is not in the nicest neighborhood and is a longer daytime walk from the HDR/BM (at night you'd be taking cabs anyway). But on the plus side, its very close to some of the cheaper tico MP's, reasonably priced and has NO chica fees. They have nearly 70 rooms and so could probably easily put you all up even at this late date.[/QUOTE]
My experience is that Sportsmen is less than 1/2 full during the week and the clubhouse rooms are the last to rent also CRT rates are less than you have quoted my wing man and I prefer 3 or 4 to a bed
Indeed the Best Western is a good economical choice for a group on short notice. Rooms are better than most at price and location near 747 and CHA CHA CHA is a defenite plus. Morazan is also good location and attractive price that usually has availability except holiday and superbowl weekends. With cupon rooms are $36. In my opinion rooms are not as nice as Best Western or older SL rooms but acceptable.
I appreciate all the info. Didn't want to start a debate, but could use any positive advice on making a fun trip. Any feedback on how you'd break down a 1stimer trip to Costa Rica for 4 days. Good room and great women.
Gman9365 - Don't know what your interest is besides mongering. Over a 4 day trip, you won't have time to go anywhere besides San Jose and maybe Jaco as well. I'd plan on the 1st and last night in San Jose, and the 2 in the middle in Jaco, or else the 1st 2 nights in S.J. and the last 2 in Jaco, but only if my flight out of San Jose was late enough in the day. You DON'T want to be driving (or taking a van) back from Jaco on a tight schedule, given the unpredictability and condition of the roads. If you had your own car and you were interested in seeing the national park, you could see Manuel Antonio park in Quepos on a day trip from Jaco. Or, you could do a day of sport fishing out of Jaco.
Other than hobbying, if it were me, I'd try to see Manuel Antonio and get a half day in of sport fishing. As for mongering, stick to San Jose, and in Jaco, the Beatle Bar and maybe one or two other bars.
[QUOTE=Gman9365]I appreciate all the info. Didn't want to start a debate, but could use any positive advice on making a fun trip. Any feedback on how you'd break down a 1stimer trip to Costa Rica for 4 days. Good room and great women.[/QUOTE]There's nothing wrong with a little friendly debate - which is what this is. Actually, TP and I are really not that far apart on this. We both agree that the SL is a great place to go for a group bachelor party type trip IF you can all get a room there. And planning far enough out would have taken care of any problem in that regard. Where we disagree somewhat is on the likelihood of finding rooms there for all of you at this late date. And I'm assuming that if you're only going for 4 days that its over a weekend and not "during the week" when it is supposedly only half full. However, I won't say you definitely won't be able to secure 6 rooms there. You should certainly give them a try. But I'd be prepared to make other plans.
TP raises another excellent point which you may not already be aware of. If you want to stay at the SL (or even if you don't), you should seriously consider joining that other board. With the 10% discount at SL what you could save on your room there over 4 days would pay for a good chunk of your membership. Throw in all the other discounts that you can get as a CRT VIP at various restaurants, MP's and stripclubs and you could definitely save a little dough. But the card will cost you $39 each (its not transferable) so potential net savings will really depend on how much you use it over the 4 days you're there. OTOH, if you plan on going back, you should definitely sign up for it.
2041 also raises some good points, namely that it really all depends on your interests. With only 4 days there is only so much you'll be able to do. If you mainly want to do mongering, then stick to SJ or possibly Jaco if you also want to hit the beach for 1-2 of your days. Personally, I think the mongering is much better in SJ and the beach in Jaco not that nice. The beach at MA is much nicer but then it doesn't have anything like the nightlife that Jaco has. If beaches aren't that critical, I'd just stick with SJ given that you only have 4 days. Like I said there is more mongering options in SJ but there is also more than enough non-mongering non beach things to do out of SJ as well.
If you want to just monger, you can get up late in the morning from your nights of debauchery and make the rounds of the various MP's ( did I mention that they don't have any of those in Jaco?) until you spot something you like. Then hit the Blue Marlin or SL bar in the late afternoon to meet some fellow mongers, check out what chicas stroll in and make plans for the evening. And then more BM or checking out some of the strip joints in the evening such as Kamur, Pantera Rosa etc.
If you want to do something besides mongering (which I'd hope you would), there is plenty that you can do right out of SJ that would put you back in town in time for an afternoon tryst at an MP or the very least a full evening of mongering at one of the aforementioned spots. I'd definitely recommend at least one day going for a whitewater raft trip. An ATV trip in the mountains surrounding SJ would be good for another day (or horseback riding). Given that you have your own group, hiring a private driver is also a reasonable option for your own personal scenic tour, trip to a volcano, Cartago, Orosi, La Paz, Saarchi etc. Likewise, with a ready made group, a fishing charter becomes a better option (though it will set you back $200-250 per person per day before any CRT discounts) and could be done either from SJ or more conveniently from Jaco. A lot of guys would recommend a zip-line tour. I think they're somewhat over-rated but still a lot of fun. Those can be done out of SJ but again I think are somewhat more convenient in the Jaco area.
[QUOTE=Jeparamour]Is it safe to walk streets at nite in Jaco?[/QUOTE]When you are walking the streets in Jaco, be aware of anyone walking up behind you or just kind of hanging out on the corner, especially on or near the small bridge near the Beatle Bar. Even if they look like girls, they probably aren't. And they are very adept at separating you from your wallet, with or without your knowledge or acquiescence. Having said that, I have walked to and from the BB and Clarita's Hotel several times without incident. However, I must add that, having been to Jaco twice, I probably won't return anytime soon. The girls, who once included many SJ girls out on a weekend expedition, are now overrun with rather chunky, quite overpriced Colombianas and Dominicanas who are content to wait for refugees from Los Sueños who have more money in their back pockets than brains in their heads.
[QUOTE=Jeparamour]Would like to stop at the Kamur in san jose. Has any one been there?[/QUOTE]I have been to Kamur and Pantera Rosa once apiece. I wouldn't hurry back to Kamur but others like it. I had fun at Pantera Rosa but did wind up drinking too much and buying way too many drinks for the two girls on either side of me. They couldn't keep their hands out of my pants. That is, as long as I kept plying them with way overpriced drinks. I would go back again, but would do so in a much more sober state of mind.
[QUOTE=Gman9365]I appreciate all the info. Didn't want to start a debate, but could use any positive advice on making a fun trip. Any feedback on how you'd break down a 1stimer trip to Costa Rica for 4 days. Good room and great women.[/QUOTE]
I my experience a four day trip is not enough time for an overnight in Jaco. In the past on a short trip I have arranged to leave San Jose @ 5: A.M. for a 1/2 day fishing trip nice lunch at the beach and sight see waterfall, coffee plantation etc on the return and be back in San Jose in the late afternoon expecyt to pay $100 + for a van and driver and my wingman and myself engage smaller boat pachanga for about $250. for evening bring back fresh fish for sushi or prepare for dinner as it is always appreciated by other quests. I reccommend Pantera Rose as best club it is always good others seem to be hit or miss but it is fun to explore.
I was in San Jose' for half a day on business. I chose to spend my only free half hour at Zona Blue (which cost me $30).
Got a fantastic bj from Michel but she was certainly not as enthusiastic as she was when I saw her 6 months ago. She seems to have reached a level of "burnout" ; just my opinion. Or maybe she was just having a bad day... nevertheless her bj performance was excellent and I went away happily satisfied. Hope she takes a break and comes back sexier than ever!
We got to talking a bit and I asked her if she's heard about how New Fantasy is these days (since she was an original NF girl, back when the place first started up, the girls were all hot, and the place was happening).
She told me that several girls from NF had just arrived to work now at ZB and that NF was now largely a Tico hangout which did not please the girls working there.
Can anyone confirm this?
How is NF these days?
I did have just enough time left over to walk into the Blue Marlin. It was around 2pm in the afternoon. I was surprised to find 4-5 very sexy girls, one in particular who I'd give a "10" in looks, several others were 8's and 9's. Then of course there were the couple of dozen or so fat, not-so-good-looking bargain matinee types hanging around.
That's it, that's all I had time to check out.
Will be back in October or November with much more to report, I'm sure.
Thanks for the pix, this helps me, too. I've never been to Oasis in all my years (started in 1990 or so) in San Jose'. Next trip I intend to rectify this. At least I have to see what it has to offer.
[QUOTE=Prolijo]There are actually 2 Machu Pichu Restaurants and, surprisingly, there are also many taxistas who don't seem to know where even some of the most popular restaurants are located even though they're in the business of driving around many of the tourists (and locals) that go to them.
The taxista or tico landmark in that area that is most commonly used is the KFC on Paseo Colon. I've also had taxistas that don't even seem to understand KFC or kay efay say, so you might also need to call it Pollo de Kentucky (I swear it sometimes seems that you have to pass a dumbness test to become an SJ cabbie). This may not seem to make much sense either since there are scores of KFC's around town too, but this KFC is really a commonly referred to local landmark.
The complete directions are "cientos y cincuenta metros de norte del KFC (or Pollo de Kentucky) en Paseo Colon" or a block and a half north of the KFC (on the left). You might also need to look for a doorway with a security guy out front since the place doesn't have any sign and you could be staring right at it and not know it. I usually just get out when I see Colonel Sanders sitting on a bench and walk the rest of the way.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Johnny Sax]I was in San Jose' for half a day on business. I chose to spend my only free half hour at Zona Blue (which cost me $30).
How is NF these days?
.[/QUOTE]
The New Fantasy rocks..they have about a 15 girl lineup of 6 to 9.5's. one half hour 10,000col and you can stay on and use the sauna , steam room and shower room alone
Thanks for all the advice. I will be in SJO April 13-17. Rooms were tough to get, I booked at the Presidente as the others were taken I would like to get some opinions on a 4 day trip. I was planning on staying in SJO on FRI & SAT and then heading to some beach. What beach would be suggested for some relaxing and maybe if a good night life and/or daylife? How about the Presidente any problems with bringing women up?
Everybody's preferences are different the Presidente is a good hotel the restaurant on the ground floor is good. Personally I find the rooms a little better at the Holiday Inn, pool, gym and Internet, breakfast if you included in your package.
Be careful in the park after dark the women are not women! They will try and rob you. I'm a rather large man at 6` 6" 275 pounds personally never had a problem or an issue however one of my running buddies got took for $600 he's about 5`10" 135 pounds. Take it or leave i`m just putting it out there.
I usually go in for one night, one of my regular girls will pick me up at the airport spend one night and then she'll drive me to Jaco beach about a three-hour drive. If you're only there for four days you might not wanna go to the beach because round-trip that six hours to the nearest beach. We stay in a place called Club Del Mar a little pricey but I find it worth it, wherever you go to the beach you should make sure you have reservations. Wake up early in the morning the day I'm leaving and they'll take me straight back to the airport.
I'm really not a big fan of San Jose it's a very dirty city loaded with poverty. Import remember everything is negotiable.
Sometimes I'll just stay in the Holiday Inn walkover to CLUB DEL RAY which is only like a block away from your hotel starting around 9:30 at night that places is packed with women. Taxi rides are available to the beach also you can negotiate that I think the cheapest I had was $70. Negotiations with the women can really very depending on the players time of night how much action she may have already had how much time you're looking to spend etc. but negotiating is available especially if you taking them with you to the beach.
Every hotel that you encounter will charge you for each guest you have over so if you pick up 4 girls in one day the last time I was there two years ago it was $10 per guest so you would pay $40 for that day. If you have a regular girl the whole time you would be looking at $40 for your four-day stay
If you like a variety there's many places in San Jose and pretty much all the beaches the only one I did not find much action at was Manuel Antonio however it was very beautiful place.
Jaco beach has some nice tropical forest cable rides, all terrain 4-Wheelers and horseback riding actually felt sorry for my horse :)
During the day there's a little bar on the beach I forget the name it's about a half mile jog on the beach from Club Del Mar there's a lot of the action during the day.
The night life is pretty much the beetle bar there's a lot of dance clubs that I've been to it takes a little bit more effort to pull one of the locals back to your room but sometimes I'm up for the challenge of hitting the fresher meat.
Happy Hunting,
Cranny
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[QUOTE=A John]Every hotel that you encounter will charge you for each guest you have over so if you pick up 4 girls in one day the last time I was there two years ago it was $10 per guest so you would pay $40 for that day. If you have a regular girl the whole time you would be looking at $40 for your four-day stay
Cranny[/QUOTE]Unless something has changed, the Sportsmens Lodge DOES NOT charge any chica fees. The last time I was in San Jose, I met the owner over there, and he pledged NEVER any chica fees.
There are no chica fees at the Sportman's Lodge. You must be thinking of the Del Rey.
Neither does the Presidente, Castillo, Amon (if you book through the casino). Morazon (if you clarify it in advance, $3 per chica if you don't) and many other hotels have zero or at least much lower chica fees than $10 per visit. He must be talking about the Holiday Inn or the Del Rey charging such fees. BTW, for how much more the HI charges for rooms over the Presidente (especially with the CRT discount) I would hope the rooms there are more than just "a little better" than the Presidente. But he is right that "Everybody's preferences are different".
[QUOTE=Gman9365]Thanks for all the advice. I will be in SJO April 13-17. Rooms were tough to get, I booked at the Presidente as the others were taken I would like to get some opinions on a 4 day trip. I was planning on staying in SJO on FRI & SAT and then heading to some beach. What beach would be suggested for some relaxing and maybe if a good night life and/or daylife? How about the Presidente any problems with bringing women up?[/QUOTE]Yes - The Presidente charges a chica fee ($10?) has a real problem with you bringing in more than one at a time. and they are enforcing a higher dress code. short skirts/belly shirts on the girls won't cut it. Most girls know and will either bring or borow a coat etc. but beware.
I plan on heading to SJ during Memorial Day weekend. I guess I'll stay at the Del Rey. Should I book online, or should i call and book over the phone? I'm a little skeptical about giving my credit card number to a guy in Costa Rica over the phone. Does anyone have any suggestions on this?
Thanks!
Im going for my 1st trip from the 13th thru the 17th also. I have done my reading since booking my trip and it doesnt look like the best western was the best choice but thats where I am.
Can anyone recommend a good fishing place? Im gonna have to do something other than fuck for 4 days. Well maybe.
Gman looks like we are going to be there the same days. Do you fish? I am going to CR by myself and it might be safer to do with someone else.
[QUOTE=Mrmrmr]Yes - The Presidente charges a chica fee ($10?) has a real problem with you bringing in more than one at a time. and they are enforcing a higher dress code. short skirts/belly shirts on the girls won't cut it. Most girls know and will either bring or borow a coat etc. but beware.[/QUOTE]There is no chica fee at the Presidente. Only one girl policy is correct, and yes they know to cover up when going to the Pres.
As stated previously hotels are preferences. I don't mind spending extra money for nice hotel. For instance if you stay in the Club Delray if you're a light sleeper you'll not get any sleep! All night long drunks and prostitutes up-and-down the hallways. For me when I'm done fucking I'm done don't bother me. I spend the extra money to get a good night's sleep.
Take a one day fishing trip, but take four change of close. Every time you catch a fish take a picture or three, hold the fish, rub your hands on your close and go change clothes. For the SO the photographs look & smell like four days of fishing. This is what we do.
IT GIVES YOU MORE JUSTIFIED FISHING TIME! :)
IMHO I find Flamingo nice for fishing a little more challenging for fucking. Jaco is closer to San Jose decent fishing and good fucking.
Happy Hunting,
AJ
PS
Check the weather report go to the Marina as soon as possible preferably early in the morning or later in the evenings. I've tried booking through the hotels I haven't personally ben as happy. I do enjoy fishing so I know what I'm looking at once I see what I want I start negotiating prices. If it's a busy time of the year negotiations are probably not going to be too successful as slower times. If you go through the hotel it is what it is.
AJ
Sixpack,
If you're planning on stay their you should make some reservations soon. This place is definitely hard to get a room at the last-minute.
The credit card thing. I have one card that I specifically use for this type of activity and I keep a close eye on it. If you want to reserve the room to the best of my knowledge this is the only way you're gone to do it, short of sending some form of cash, money order etc. You can call the hotels straight and deal directly with them I find it saves money and confusion.
I have probably been to CR about 18 times in the past 5 years I've never had a problem. I've done both reservations over the Internet & phone some of them have be done through a travel agency.
These people try to get everybody involved (get paid). If you get in a taxi and say I wanted to go shopping he's going to take you somewhere where he's getting a finder's fee of the purchases. It's a game that I've experienced all over Mexico / Central America.
Happy Hunting,
AJ
[QUOTE=Six Paku]I plan on heading to SJ during Memorial Day weekend. I guess I'll stay at the Del Rey. Should I book online, or should i call and book over the phone? I'm a little skeptical about giving my credit card number to a guy in Costa Rica over the phone. Does anyone have any suggestions on this?
Thanks![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ace Black]Im going for my 1st trip from the 13th thru the 17th also. I have done my reading since booking my trip and it doesnt look like the best western was the best choice but thats where I am.
Can anyone recommend a good fishing place? Im gonna have to do something other than fuck for 4 days. Well maybe.
Gman looks like we are going to be there the same days. Do you fish? I am going to CR by myself and it might be safer to do with someone else.[/QUOTE]
I usually arrange a 1/2 day trip out of Quepos or Jaco. Leave about 5 AM in the water about 7:15 fish until noon or 1 nice lunch at Ccocabana sight see at coffee plantation or sights along the way back in San Jose with fresh caught sushi or filets for dinner usually cost $450 - 500 for 2 people plus lunch a few women drivers include BJ at no extra cost
I noticed several of you will be in CR the same time as me and my buddy. We will be in Jaco from 4/11 to 4/13, then one nite in san jose. Staying at Copa. other than one day of fishing the rest will be spent exploring / mongering. We are from north carolina. hope to meet some of you
Chow
Does anyone knof if there a fee for girls at the Best western? Is it ok to bring back two at a time? Thanks
Ace
[QUOTE=Ace Black]Does anyone knof if there a fee for girls at the Best western? Is it ok to bring back two at a time? Thanks
Ace[/QUOTE]
Best Western has no chica fee. Do not disturb other quests is the rule on how many chicas. Remeber the best thing about the Best Western is its location near Cha Cha and 747 two of the most fun and lowest priced places in all of San Jose.
I am going to Costa Rica along with some prescription Viagra. Every time I take Viagra I get a terrible headache. I've taken prescriptions pain killers before and it helps. What I was wondering was is it easy to get prescription pain killers in CR? I anyone has had any experience I would like to hear about it.
Thanks
[QUOTE=Rolleratnight]I am going to Costa Rica along with some prescription Viagra. Every time I take Viagra I get a terrible headache. I've taken prescriptions pain killers before and it helps. What I was wondering was is it easy to get prescription pain killers in CR? I anyone has had any experience I would like to hear about it.
Thanks[/QUOTE]A local taxi cab driver is your best bet. Vicodin etc, the Farmacia usually wont sell to gringos.
[QUOTE=Rolleratnight]I am going to Costa Rica along with some prescription Viagra. Every time I take Viagra I get a terrible headache. I've taken prescriptions pain killers before and it helps. What I was wondering was is it easy to get prescription pain killers in CR? I anyone has had any experience I would like to hear about it.
Thanks[/QUOTE]
Try Farmacia Alvarez in Alajuela. They used to have an ad online on the AM Costa Rica newspaper, but they must have pulled it. Maybe there is something local. I always had good luck with anything I ever wanted. Went looking for Lunesta but they came up with a pretty good alternative. Plus they deliver.
NB
[QUOTE=Rolleratnight]I am going to Costa Rica along with some prescription Viagra. Every time I take Viagra I get a terrible headache. I've taken prescriptions pain killers before and it helps. What I was wondering was is it easy to get prescription pain killers in CR? I anyone has had any experience I would like to hear about it.
Thanks[/QUOTE]In clinical studies of Viagra one of the most common side effects is headaches but those are usually mild and only occur in 16% of patients. Be glad that is your worst side-effect and you haven't suffered from priapism or blindness. Even so, if you do experience headaches, there are several things you can do short of the radical solution of adding painkillers to your chemical mix.
1) Try taking an Aleve or Tylenol at the same time as you take the Viagra.
2) Adjust your dose of Viagra downward. Most guys taking Viagra do not need the full 100mg dose and even a 1/2-1/4 pill can be effective.
3) Try using a different ED prescription. Cialis and Levitra also sometimes cause headache side effects but maybe you won't suffer the same problems with them,
4) Rather than self-medicating, consult with your local doctor who prescribed the Viagra in the first place (if any) and get him to write the extra script for painkillers if those are really called for (I somehow suspect that he would advice against it if there even was any local doctor involved at all)
5) If the headaches are really so bad that you need to take prescription painkillers, then maybe the side effect that Viagra causes is worse than the problem it is supposedly trying to solve. If so, maybe instead of compounding the problem by taking potentially addictive painkillers, which carry potential side-effects of their own (can you say Celebrex and Vioxx?), you should be asking yourself if you really even need to take Viagra that badly in the first place.
You referred to it as prescription Viagra, but most guys who take it probably do so as an enhancement aid rather then as treatment for any real ED problem, even many who convince their doctor to write a script (sometimes lying about or exaggerating their problems in order to get it). Often if they can't get their local doctor to write a script (or don't feel comfortable discussing it with him), they go on-line and perhaps fill out some anonymous and unsubstantiated questionaire where they can claim to have some ED problem, and secure a "prescription" that way. Is your ED "problem" really that bad that you really can't get it up at all without the aid of chemicals or is this really something more to enable you to go for multiple sessions per day? Do you have some other contributing factor such as advanced diabetes? Or are any ED symptoms mild (or imagined) and have you tried alternative approaches than resorting to prescription drugs? Somehow I'm a little dubious of your real need.
However, if you're looking for prescription medications in CR, it is at least as easy and usually even easier than in the US. The Alvarez Pharmacy, actually in Heredia, has a good reputation and they deliver, but you can nearly as easily walk into just about any pharmacy in downtown and probably get a better deal on Viagra, Cialis, Levitra, etc. on the spot. Technically, you may need a prescription but practically they either have a licensed dispenser working behind the counter or next door or the prescription requirements are just quietly ignored. Even prescription painkillers for Gringos are readily available. I know of Gringos purchasing such drugs as Valium, Prozac, muscle relaxants etc. without even being asked for a piece of paper. The only drugs that I heard do cause problems are ones like Morphine.
As for asking a cab driver, I think that is absolutely horrible advice. It better be one you know and trust and use regularly and even then I would have my doubts. More often if you go that route expect to pay a lot more and/or even be ripped off with counterfeit pills. Even at an established pharmacy counterfiets and rip-offs can sometimes be a problem. Some of the Gulch area pharmacies that have been reported as being reliable are:
1) Balmoral AC C7/0 n
2) Italiano AC C1/3 s (near the Gran Via)
3) Catedral AC C1/3 n (across the street from the Italiano)
4) Morazon(?) A1 C7 sw (diagonally across intersection from the Morazon)
5) Botica Int'l A1 C4 nw 222-7481
6) Chavarria A2 C7 ne(?)
7) There is another farmacia across from the Holiday Inn that has been mentioned as being okay.
8) Any of the Fischel Pharmacy chain
9) Farmica Sucre two blocks east of Hotel Presidente on Ave Central.
And in Heredia, Farmacia Alvarez (A2 C3/5 s 150m west of Courthouse) 840-9585 [url]http://www.farmacia-alvarez.com[/url] ($21.95 for 10X50mg Viagra so definitely not the cheapest). One is most likely not going to want to actually go there but they offer free delivery.
[QUOTE=Prolijo]In clinical studies of Viagra one of the most common side effects is headaches but those are usually mild and only occur in 16% of patients. Be glad that is your worst side-effect and you haven't suffered from priapism or blindness. Even so, if you do experience headaches, there are several things you can do short of the radical solution of adding painkillers to your chemical mix.
1) Try taking an Aleve or Tylenol at the same time as you take the Viagra.
2) Adjust your dose of Viagra downward. Most guys taking Viagra do not need the full 100mg dose and even a 1/2-1/4 pill can be effective.
3) Try using a different ED prescription. Cialis and Levitra also sometimes cause headache side effects but maybe you won't suffer the same problems with them,
4) Rather than self-medicating, consult with your local doctor who prescribed the Viagra in the first place (if any) and get him to write the extra script for painkillers if those are really called for (I somehow suspect that he would advice against it if there even was any local doctor involved at all)
5) If the headaches are really so bad that you need to take prescription painkillers, then maybe the side effect that Viagra causes is worse than the problem it is supposedly trying to solve. If so, maybe instead of compounding the problem by taking potentially addictive painkillers, which carry potential side-effects of their own (can you say Celebrex and Vioxx?), you should be asking yourself if you really even need to take Viagra that badly in the first place.
You referred to it as prescription Viagra, but most guys who take it probably do so as an enhancement aid rather then as treatment for any real ED problem, even many who convince their doctor to write a script (sometimes lying about or exaggerating their problems in order to get it). Often if they can't get their local doctor to write a script (or don't feel comfortable discussing it with him), they go on-line and perhaps fill out some anonymous and unsubstantiated questionaire where they can claim to have some ED problem, and secure a "prescription" that way. Is your ED "problem" really that bad that you really can't get it up at all without the aid of chemicals or is this really something more to enable you to go for multiple sessions per day? Do you have some other contributing factor such as advanced diabetes? Or are any ED symptoms mild (or imagined) and have you tried alternative approaches than resorting to prescription drugs? Somehow I'm a little dubious of your real need.
However, if you're looking for prescription medications in CR, it is at least as easy and usually even easier than in the US. The Alvarez Pharmacy, actually in Heredia, has a good reputation and they deliver, but you can nearly as easily walk into just about any pharmacy in downtown and probably get a better deal on Viagra, Cialis, Levitra, etc. on the spot. Technically, you may need a prescription but practically they either have a licensed dispenser working behind the counter or next door or the prescription requirements are just quietly ignored. Even prescription painkillers for Gringos are readily available. I know of Gringos purchasing such drugs as Valium, Prozac, muscle relaxants etc. without even being asked for a piece of paper. The only drugs that I heard do cause problems are ones like Morphine.
As for asking a cab driver, I think that is absolutely horrible advice. It better be one you know and trust and use regularly and even then I would have my doubts. More often if you go that route expect to pay a lot more and/or even be ripped off with counterfeit pills. Even at an established pharmacy counterfiets and rip-offs can sometimes be a problem. Some of the Gulch area pharmacies that have been reported as being reliable are:
1) Balmoral AC C7/0 n
2) Italiano AC C1/3 s (near the Gran Via)
3) Catedral AC C1/3 n (across the street from the Italiano)
4) Morazon(?) A1 C7 sw (diagonally across intersection from the Morazon)
5) Botica Int'l A1 C4 nw 222-7481
6) Chavarria A2 C7 ne(?)
7) There is another farmacia across from the Holiday Inn that has been mentioned as being okay.
8) Any of the Fischel Pharmacy chain
9) Farmica Sucre two blocks east of Hotel Presidente on Ave Central.
And in Heredia, Farmacia Alvarez (A2 C3/5 s 150m west of Courthouse) 840-9585 [url]http://www.farmacia-alvarez.com[/url] ($21.95 for 10X50mg Viagra so definitely not the cheapest). One is most likely not going to want to actually go there but they offer free delivery.[/QUOTE]Ok, to answer some of your questions.
1) I don't "need" viagra. I usually use it an an enhancement aid, not because I have ED.
2) Why did I say "prescription Viagra"? Well, I wanted to be clear that a doctor prescribed it to me as opposed to internet adds and other dubious means.
3) Why do I have a prescription for it. Well, I am into bodybuilding and I have low testosterone. I don't take steroids, but I requested that my testosterone levels be tested. I suspected they were low and this is a hard thing to discuss with your doctor as they will see you as steroid-seeking rather than having a legitimate need for Testosterone Replacement Therapy (TRT). So, I went to a Urologist and said I had low libido and ED problems and I suspected low testosterone levels. This was verified with blood work and I had 164. There's some argument as to "normal level" but a safe range is 280-800. Most TRT pharmaceutical companies will conduct studies on patients with levels lower than 300. I was given Testosterone and I am given Viagra since my initial complaint was sexual function. I rarely use Viagra if ever, but since I was going to CR, I wanted to take some along in case I wanted to do some marathon sex sessions.
4)I have very bad migraines and taking Viagra stimulates them. You are probably correct that I should just avoid it.
5) I have taken prescription painkillers for migraines for over 11 years now and never became addicted. I do not take narcotics for fun and I guess that's how I avoided addiction problems.
Since I am talking about testosterone, let me advise all men over the age of 40 to have their testosterone levels tested with their physicals. Low test levels accompany diabetes for example. If you have low test levels I can tell you that taking TRT will do wonders for you. You will not be dragging by the end of the day or find it difficult to get up in the morning or make it through the day. It hasn't done much for my libido or sexual function, but if you go to a doctor saying you would like to gain or preserve muscle mass as you age, they'll ignore you. Tell them your dick doesn't get hard, they'll treat you. Women suffer sudden and dramatic decreases in hormones at menopause and it's perfectly accepted medical practice to provide hormone replacement therapy (HRT), but men's test levels start declining at age 30, gradually and so it's seen as unnecessary to supplement them. Additionally it is fear that giving test to men will create a super-human male with rage. Nothing can be further from the truth. I actually feel calmer since taking it. "Grumpy old men" is possibly caused by Androgenic Deficiency in Aging Males. Taking TRT will make you feel better. You will not be given dosages coming anywhere close to the levels taken by Bodybuilders. I've asked many body builders what they take and I can tell you that the amount given to me by my doctor is much less. In fact I am arguing with his PA for more since my levels are hoovering around 290. I think I want to be in the 300 range.
Well, this is probably more than you care to know, but thanks so much for the pharmacy advice.
Yes - The Presidente charges a chica fee ($10?)
Last I knew Prez has no chica fee. However, you are correct about the new dress code.
Dapanz1
Dapanz,
Its nice to see you adding your knowledge over here. I didn't know about the chica fee at the Prez. Goes to show I need to keep up on current events more and probably missed its announcement on the other board where I'm sure it must have been discussed. As for the new Prez chica fees themselves, I can't say I'm surprised and most of us could see the direction they were heading once they started with the ridiculous dress code. IMHO, anyone who hadn't already written off the Prez as a chica-friendly hotel should write them off now with this latest development.
Roller,
Your latest post was a perfectly reasonable and informative explanation. If you had included even just the fact that you were normally subject to migraines and that you were also on some other medication it would have better explained your situation. However, I think a lot of my advice still applies. Obviously, taking a couple of Advil isn't going to cut it, but suggestion 2-5 still apply.
Since you got this prescription legitimately, I'd add in your case that you should go back to your urologist who is already well familiar with your complicating history and either see if he will
a) adjust your prescription for other ED medication to see if that helps
b) prescribe painkillers if they're really called for
c) possibly adjust the form of TRT you're on
d) advice you of some other possible work-around such as the timing of when you take your various medications (e.g. maybe it is just a matter of not taking any Viagra within so many hours of taking your TRT meds)
e) advice you if maybe it is something else altogether that you are taking that is contributing to this reaction such as creatine, myoplex etc.
I somehow doubt either of the last 2 suggestions would really apply, but you never really know unless you ask a real expert (ie your doctor instead of a bunch of yahoos on a sex board). I suspect that it is your propensity for migraines that is the real culprit here and the form of ED or TRT drug or any of the other stuff you might be taking really has nothing to do with it. There may be other solutions short of not taking the stuff at all, but as you admitted you're taking it as an enhancement not as something you absolutely need so just not taking might end up being the best solution.
I go to CR often and my favorite strip club is D'Palufos in San Pedro. They have crazy stage shows where they pull guys on stage and molest them then beat them witha belt. They have girls sticking bottle in any of their orifaces. Thye put whip cream on body parts and let guys lick it off and I mean completely off. Then abour 11PM, they have girls dance for you in public for 1000 colones. Then a little after midnight, they have hot lesbian shows. The thing I like best is they have very private rooms and they only charge $14 for 5 minutes and you can get a really hot lesbian show for $28. Recently I did a two gorl session for 3 sessions and the girls BBBJ the taxi driver and I for nothing. Sure as hell gave them a tip! There is another D'palufos in Alejuela near the airport and it has the same shows but the girls are greedier and many are silicon. Sen Padro has few North Americans but I have never felt threatened. I look anglo but do speak some Spanish. Few people speak Spanish at this one. Alejuela has more NA customers and one of the managers usually speak English. I have had more success just pulling it out during the dance and some ask for money and some just ask if you'll tip them later.
Dapanz,
I now see that you were referring back to an earlier post. You should have included some quotes or something in your post to make that clearer. Now I just added even further to the confusion. And all this caused originally by some first-time poster who apparently doesn't know as much about what he is talking about as he thinks he does. Disinformation! What a way to start off one's posting record on a forum. Way to go, Mrmrmr.
The Presidente does not have a chica fee. It has a dress code and a limit of one (1) chica per quest.
This info is as of April15 2007.
My recently single bud and I are heading south for our 1st trip to CR. We are planning 2 nights in SJ, then 2 nights in Tortuguero for jungle tours and fishing. Then it's back to SJ for our last night of partying. I think we have a handle on the jungle resort and a high end hotel for our last night. But was wondering what some of you thought to be THE BEST deal for us on our first 2 nights? I have read much regarding location and amenities. But this bar fine or chica fee thing really bugs me. Any input on what the best chica friendly hotel is? Really important for me is bed size, as I am 6'3.
Also wondering if you guys can give a newbie some tips on must go clubs, bars, or MPs.
Thanks in advance!
Oh, BTW my bud and I will be in SJ from May 27 29 and again on the 31st. Maybe some of you will be in town on the same dates?
Black,
I am no CR expert but have been 10 times in 5 years. First of all, I personally think the best hotel to stay in is The Del Rey. Especially for your first time. It is a surreal experience and it is the most convienent place to be.
You have the Monkey Bar and Key Largo within walking distance and a very nice casino. I forget the name two doors down. I really think for your first time in San Jose that being at the Del Rey and being able to hang out at the Blue Marlin, go across the street and play pool at the Monkey Bar, or go to the more disco atmosphere at Key Largo.
If the Del Rey is not available and for additional trips to San Jose as far as I am concerned there is only one place to stay. The Sleep Inn behind the Del Rey. First, it is BRAND NEW. Everything is nice, it is 100 yards to the Del Rey and all the above mentioned bars. I will stay there from here on out, but if I am traveling with a first timer. I will always try to stay at the Del Rey for the experience.
I have done the parlor thing in San Jose and yes you can get "more" for you money. But that is for trip 2, 3, 4, 5, and so on. Stay at the Del Rey and get the full San Jose Experience.
Feel free to ask any specific questions.
Hi,
Just got back last night from a week in SJO. The taxi fare from the airport to downtown is now up to $18.
Visited ZB a couple of times. I'm not a CRT member and one hour cost me 27k colones. I was under the impression it was 25, but the dude with the glasses came back to the room and offered me two options...50USD or 27k CRC. I spent time with Charro for a BBJ CIM session. She didn't ask for the propina. I gave her 10k colones. She wasn't the greatest of lookers but the most agreeable to provide the service. I thought it was a Charro from awhile back who was a looker, but not so.
My second session at ZB was with Angela. Definately a looker and decent performer. She started with a bbj for a minute or so but then put the raincoat on. Finished doggie...nice pussy.
I'm partial to Oasis and had a great time. I guess now that I'm a regular and speak some Espanol, I get preferential treatment. Every girl I asked for anal would gladly have done it even though they tell me they don't do it on a routine basis. One poor little thing, Gretal, was even bleeding down there and she would have let me finish if I wanted to, but I figured she must have been in some pain so I let it go. Got the anal service also from Roxanna, and Gabby the Macha. There are two Gabbys there and that is how they distinguish from each other. The macha and the pequena. Also got bbj from all the girls and CIM from Jocelyn, Roxanne, Gretal. Roxanna is a tall good looking Tica, and Gretal is a small, flat chested very pretty girl. Roxanna is the youngest girl there at 19. Gabby the macha is the oldest at 23. I pay 20k extra for the anal and 5k for the bbj.
There are seven girls...at least that's what they tell me. I never saw them all at once. They were busy when I would get there. I only had one somewhat bad experience with a pretty girl named Karina who wanted an extra 5k after quoting 5k for the bbj. I didn't pay it. She got pissed. Oh well.
Also visited a new place in Barrio Escalante called Venus. The price is 13k per hour. 9k for half an hour. Open from 10 am to 7 pm weekdays, 10 to 4 Saturday. Closed Sunday. There were four girls there. None that were knockouts but passable. Also I would say their age range was mid 20's and up. I spent time with Stephanie. Her nickname is China. She has some minor features hence the nickname. She did the bbj but shorted me on the CIM. The best thing about this place is that it's in a residential neighborhood. It's very quiet and peaceful. The rooms have beds and large windows. Very relaxing atmosphere. Girls also wear masseuse type uniforms to pacify the police and avoid getting busted.
I haven't been to CR since August. I was pleased with everything this trip.
NB
[QUOTE=Member #2964]Don't want to bicker here. New years I had a SL girl to the beach with me.
Gave her the money for a private van $35.00. And paid her $35.00 per day.
Not including food, beer and travel thats comes out to $1.453 per hour.
This March trip she would come over to the Hotel at 9 PM for the night and morning) $40.00 or $3.333 per hour.
Same March trip I was in SJ and talking to another possable ( she works the DR days) beach companion. I offered her $35.00 per day and RT (2hr 1 way)air fare ($160.00) or $50.00 a day and van ticket (8hr 1 way). She took door # 2.
I don't have any answer's for anyone. I'm in CR about 5 times a year (2 months total in 06) over 55, fish & laugh a lot & enjoy a drink or two.
One woman is 23 and other is 28. Both BBBJCIM, some back door action and great massage. Both NOT CHUNKY. Full TA-TA's. Both are street-able and fun.
I wish everyone as good a time.[/QUOTE]Good work Mr. 2964. That's the way to do it. I'll try to do the same (except for the fishing).
[QUOTE=Member #2964]Don't want to bicker here. New years I had a SL girl to the beach with me. Gave her the money for a private van $35.00. And paid her $35.00 per day. Not including food, beer and travel thats comes out to $1.453 per hour. This March trip she would come over to the Hotel at 9 PM for the night and morning) $40.00 or $3.333 per hour.[/QUOTE]Don't want to bicker here either. But if you were screwing for every hour of those 12 hours solid let alone for 24 hours straight than you're a better man than me. So your calculations are a bit too simplistic. Besides, I thought we were taking about what it costs for sessions in the 2-3 hour range. After 2-3 hours with most of these chicas and after I've gotten my nut off a few times, I'm usually just as happy to see them on their way. We're not talking about brilliant conversationalists here.
And another thing that you completely forgot about is what initiated your first post to begin with. You were suggesting that there were better deals to be had elsewhere other than paying $44 at ZB and I agree there are. But then you cite some dates you had with a [u]ZB girl[/u] albeit outside the club. How did you meet her in the first place if not by at some point going to ZB and paying that $44? And as long as you're counting every minute of your TLN as "session time" to bring down your perceived rate per hour of sexo shouldn't you also factor in the cost of the sessions (plus tips) you had with her inside ZB to come up with your average rates? Exactly how many was that before you saw her outside the club? Spending 2 full months out of every year also is a huge factor in developing these type of contacts, something that not every guy can afford or have the time to do. It seems to me your last post is an argument FOR not against making that initial investment of sessioning with a ZB girl and developing a rapporte so that she'll be willing to meet you outside of ZB (BTW, at some risk to her job)
[QUOTE=Prolijo]Don't want to bicker here either.
How did you meet her in the first place if not by at some point going to ZB and paying that $44? And as long as you're counting every minute of your TLN as "session time" to bring down your perceived rate per hour of sexo shouldn't you also factor in the cost of the sessions (plus tips) you had with her inside ZB to come up with your average rates? Exactly how many was that before you saw her outside the club? [/QUOTE]
Like member 2964 I also spend a fair amount of time in CR and don't have the wherewithall to be spending the $1400 for two weeks of mongering.
Since Wanda was working ZB I have been accumulating names and numbers from the so called protected girls who work there and they willingly give them out to make a lot of extra money working outside the ZB and other MP's the likes of Europa 2000, Monaco, Vips, New Fantasy, Las Marguritias, Sobeney, and the 6th street crowd.
To think for one minute that these girls a owned or endentured by the places the work is nieve at best.
Let's face it, the turnover is huge in these places and not every girl does business or a lot of business everyday. They have bills to pay and we have to pay to play. To ask a girl for her number to come to your apartment or hotel is not only perfectly acceptable and honest it's their right to do as they choose after they have fulfilled their commitment to their job..
I would find it hard to believe that any productive girl (ie. making money for the club) working any of the aformentioned bars/MP's got fired for working on the side...
Doesn't make good business sense, although I can see where the threat may be effective...Does anyone think Eddie would ever fire Pamela...he should be giving the whole $44 if he isn't already!
I definitely agree that there is a lot of incentive for many of these MP chicas to do a little moonlighting. They typically only get to keep about half of the MP session fee (I have no idea what Pamela's split might be) and with MP sessions (even at an expensive MP like ZB) being so much less than what many gringos will pay to bring home chicas from even more expensive places like the Del Rey, there is obviously lots of negotiating room to try and make it worth their while.
I also agree that there isn't a lot that MP or strip club owners can do to stop guys from trying to entice their girls away. When Newman was running Kamur he actually posted that he'd really prefer his girls would take their business outside the club and stick to just lap dances and pushing "dobles" while under his roof. If you can believe any of that. However, when you get down to it, there really isn't much that owners can do to stop guys from trying to entice his employees whether they want to allow it or not [b]IF[/b] the gringo and his girl do it with any minimal level of discretion (to the best of my knowledge there are no hidden microphones hidden under the mattress in these places). And if they catch us what are they going to do to us? Ban us from the club or MP? In the case of ZB, that might seem like the ultimate tragedy, but then they'd lose whatever business we did bring into the club and besides none of us really depend on these places for our livelihood. We could even more easily than the chicas just go somewhere else.
OTOH, what is an owner to do with the chica when he is confronted by obvious "poaching" of his clientele, when a gringo asks his chica out right in front of the owner or comes stepping out of their room shouting "Does anybody have a pen?" (and what other reason could any guy have for needing a pen at an MP?) If he has good reason to believe he is losing business that he thinks should be his, he'll probably want to do something. After all he is running an on-premises entertainment club and not a matchmaking service. Without him, how would we have met these girls and been able to try them out? What do you think it costs to put together a club like ZB or the other places, secure the licenses (and pay off the officials)? Do you think he is going to settle for his $20 cut on one session and then be happy to never see another dime of any future sessions with that chica again? It doesn't matter what YOU think is "perfectly acceptable and honest" or the chica's "right to do as they choose after they have fulfilled their commitment to their job" (which as you will see can be argued isn't the case here). Its also the owners "right" to fire any employee as he sees fit. The mere fact that it is something that occurs after regular work hours is not enough to excuse it unless she met you originally somewhere else or is performing a different type of service for you than what she was hired to do at the club. Such labor commitments beyond working hours are not at all unusual. They are called "non-compete clauses" and though there may not be any formal written contract with these girls, there are definitely "house rules" that they agree to when they come on board.
So the motivation to do something about it is definitely there, but what? If the chica is a real money maker for the club, maybe not a lot. Maybe Eddie would never fire Pamela, though even that I'm not so sure if the circumstances warranted it, but I happen to know that he has at least suspended her in the past for other violations (e.g. getting into a fight last summer). I also happen to know of at least one chica who did get fired (and the gringo involved banned from ZB) when Eddie found out about it. I don't remember the exact particulars but as I recall there was photo evidence involved and less than discreet posting about it on-line. How many other chicas have left the employ over the last few years for reasons we don't fully know about?
These other girls who you say don't do any "business or a lot of business everyday" could very easily be canned or at least suspended if the little business they bring in goes right out and never comes back (or comes back much less because he's getting a better deal going direct). And while they might make much more than they do at the MP for that hour or two you spend with her outside the club, how much more will she lose if she's suspended for 2 weeks without any other regular clients lined up?
Of course, these girls are not "owned or indentured" to work anywhere. They are free to quit just as much as the owners are free to fire them. In the case, of the lower end MP's they very well might be able to simply go to work somewhere else and make just as much. Then again I don't know how tight a business community it is, but if the word gets out that she "steals" customers maybe she won't so easily get a job at another place and then she is back to working at Hipermas or some such place for $20/day. And what about the ZB girls? With the amount of traffic there and the rates they get (even if they split the fee in half), they're not likely to make that type of money if they go back to working at Oasis, particularly if they weren't doing so well at ZB. And the better ones could turn their moonlighting to a full time endeavor (and some have) and make more money, but there is often a reason they didn't go the Del Rey route to begin with. I know of at least one top-tier NF chica that could be making a fortune at the HDR or moonlighting but she doesn't do it I guess because she prefers the security of only doing it on-premises to going out with guys and because she prefers the set hours.
Now some of this is devil's advocate. I'm NOT saying that we should never try to meet MP chicas after work. And I'm NOT saying that a lot of chicas don't moonlight. AND I'm not saying there is really anything the MP owners can do about if they don't find out and not a lot more than that they can do even if they do find out. I guess what I'm saying is that I think if you're going to pursue these things, you need to be as discrete as possible. The risk to you may be non-existent but there may be some financial risk to the chica if the owners find out. Maybe not outright firing, but certainly a suspension that could wind up costing her a lot more than she would make off of you. If you really feel seeing a ZB girl outside of work it so "perfectly acceptable and honest it's their right to do as they choose" why don't you go up to Eddie next time you're there and ask him if he will give you his employees numbers so you can call them up to see outside his club? Then let us know what his reaction is.
[QUOTE=Prolijo]If you really feel seeing a ZB girl outside of work it so "perfectly acceptable and honest it's their right to do as they choose" why don't you go up to Eddie next time you're there and ask him if he will give you his employees numbers so you can call them up to see outside his club? Then let us know what his reaction is.[/QUOTE]That would be the kiss of death for me..he would probably throw my ass out for good and I'd have a tough time getting any more numbers from the ZB gals....but then again they'll probably eventually be working at New Fantasy or IDEM and I could get their numbers there or just settle on the numbers I have which I couldn't possible use up anyway
BTW.... anyone know what IDEM stands for
Ok, this should be a sign of how my trip was going to start. I got a notice in the mail that said the electricity was going to be off at my house from 2:00am-4:00am. I had to get up at 3:30am to get to my flight so got ready in the dark. Oh, my alarm didn't go off either (cell phone)
So, I make it the airport and fly to Costa Rica. My rental car cost$27/day the insurance $34/day. What a deal! So, I drive over to Holiday Inn Aurola. You didn't tell me it was in the in the center of the sex district! So, I step out to get a taxi to go to Hotel Del Rey when I look over and see it across the street.
I walk over there and I am approached by a guy that wants to "help" me. Ordinarily I would wave this guy off, but he was pretty mellow, not pushy. I struck up a conversation with him and he told me he was from Califorinia (1/2 Costa Rican) and he was avoiding a jail sentence for vehicular homocide. He killed somebody driving drunk. Well, he and I talked for about 1/2 hour. He was a wealth of information about places to visit, etc. He gave me the "walking tour" of massage parlors etc. He didn't ask for it, but I gave him 5000 Colones tip. He really spent a lot of time with me.
So now I have the lay of the land (pun alert) and I am off to Hotel Del Rey. Maybe because it was Sunday, but I felt most of the girls in there were of AKC quality. Finally I see a really cute girl, big breasts. I strike up a conversation with her and she fails my test: Cuantos ninos tiene? She has "uno". Ok, so we dicker on price and I "pull up" and leave. I walk the joint talking to this ho and that ho and GODAMMIT THEY ALL HAVE "NINOS"!
If they have ninos, that means several things 1) Prune belly 2)loose pussy 3) Saggy tits. So, since the first hottie had only one, I cave-in! I go full price $100 (54, 000 colones). S
She follows me back to the hotel complaining that I didn't get a taxi. I argued "Why? So they can turn the corner? We enter the hotel and that's when I get hit with the "I got to check in" at the desk, they want $47 for the "guest" and I have to sign a huge contract of liability. Needless to say, I am doubly screwed. I pay it because I am now participating in the folly. Up to the room, quick sex, smelly pussy, fake tits, prune belly. Yuck. I am done. I walk her back to Hotel Del Rey because after all I am "liable" for any destruction that happens in the hotel.
So, first day I spent $147 for basically nothing I couldn't have got in the USA for that amount.
Personally the best money I spent so far is for the drunk's advice and walking tour of the sex district.
[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size]
I'd like to dismiss a myth that many guys have about MP girls who moonlight outside of the MP. [b]They will not come to your room for the same amount that they make at the MP.[/b]
If you pay $40 at the MP for an hour, she'll ask for more to come to your room. Even though they only make $20/hr at the MP, I had an Idem girl ask for $70 to come to my room. I know that they hear about then $100/hr girls get at HDR. They probably figure, why shouldn't they get a piece of the pie.
[QUOTE=Rolleratnight]...So, first day I spent $147 for basically nothing I couldn't have got in the USA for that amount.
Personally the best money I spent so far is for the drunk's advice and walking tour of the sex district.
[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size][/QUOTE]Funny stuff. Things can only get better. (Or can they?)
[QUOTE=Kid Brooklyn]2964,
I have asked you in the past for photos of your $35/day travel companions, but looks like you haven't posted any.
I wonder why.
Look, I'm sure you can find a working girl that would go away with you for $35/day, but it's not a 8, 7, or even a 6. You are talking about a 3 or 4, somebody most of us wouldn't even begin to think about hooking up with. When you say they are street-able, what does that mean? We know what types hang on the corners, don't we?
But I still can't figure out why you are embellishing (lying) so much. Does it make you feel good to think that newbies think of you as some kind of player or something? Those of us who have been to SJ more than a few times know that you are not being honest.
7k for 2-3 hours? Yeah, maybe in 1985.
Seriously, stop misleading newbies with your stories. This is a board for factual, helpful information. I know most of the SL girls, and none would go anywhere for $35/day + a bus ticket. Maybe the SL cleaning lady, that's about it. Cynthia, Melissa, and Co. Now ask for $100/hr, so that's the minimum daily rate they would travel for.
Either fess up or post pics of your hotties.[/QUOTE]
Sorry to hit you heavy but you are wrong on many points! For example: maybe 2964 is a 9 or 10, speaks Spanish, dances, well mannered and the girls really like him versus a fat, hairy assed, sweaty old gringo slob smoking a stinking cigar, drinking rum and cokes, beer, vodka, not speaking any Spanish and pissing and farting throughout the day.
Boy, sign me up for a weekend with this dude fast!
Second, when mentioning SL, KL, ZB, IDEM etc girls maybe he's referencing girls who once worked there and now don't...as you may know, the turnover is huge and should they choose to stay in the escort field hotel, apartment and beach excursions make a nice cash flow.
Also, keep in mind that your 9-10 may be someone elses 3-4. Me for example...if she looks anything like a milky white barbie blond American type...I'm not interested..Pamela Anderson, Jenna Jameson included....save the comments here ...just how it is..
Lastly, the prices quoted per hour at any of the places in and around San Jose doesn't mean the girl got paid that rate for eight hours...Talk to the girls...many sit there all day, many days for nothing...mostly in the ZB SL IDEM and New Fantasy where , granted there is plenty of business but not necessarily for everyone.
As far as photo's go ...check my collection and you'll see a selection of girls who happily got well under $50 per session for numerous hours and were plenty satisfied
Lastly, for me I don't want to take a girl to the beach. I enjoy the few hours a day with the ladies but enjoy my own time alone at the beach, where I can talk to the guys, drink in the bars, smoke my cigars and fart as much as I want without embarrassing myself in the company of a chica
[QUOTE=Kid Brooklyn]I'd like to dismiss a myth that many guys have about MP girls who moonlight outside of the MP. [b]They will not come to your room for the same amount that they make at the MP.[/b]
If you pay $40 at the MP for an hour, she'll ask for more to come to your room. Even though they only make $20/hr at the MP, I had an Idem girl ask for $70 to come to my room. I know that they hear about then $100/hr girls get at HDR. They probably figure, why shouldn't they get a piece of the pie.[/QUOTE]
Sorry to dismiss your opinion but factually you're wrong...Many girls work outside the MP,s night clubs etc for much less.
I don't doubt you have had problems making this happen, but you certainly don't represent the whole situation
[QUOTE=Piper1][QUOTE=Rolleratnight]So, first day I spent $147 for basically nothing I couldn't have got in the USA for that amount.
Personally the best money I spent so far is for the drunk's advice and walking tour of the sex district.
[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size][/QUOTE]Funny stuff. Things can only get better. (Or can they?)[/QUOTE]It would be funny if he were joking about the whole thing, but I'm afraid he was serious. Reports of Distinction? Maybe, but only if it was clearly labeled as a what not to do lesson. This is not the typical result of any newbie who has done his homework. Let's start from the top:
1) $27/day for a car is actually a pretty good rate except that a car is completely unnecessary while one is staying in the city of SJ as cabs and buses are cheaps and most forays outside of town by a newbie is done as part of a tour which provides the transportation. Subsequent travel further afield from the Central Valley region might be advisable with a rental car but it is not needed while in town mongering which is where (unfortunately) most mongers spend most of their time.
2) $34/day for insurance? What makes anyone think it would any better a deal in CR with its road conditions, etc. than it would be for rental insurance back in the US. Check your current personal auto insurance or your autmatic credit card coverage. One or the other normally covers whatever you reasonably have to be concerned with.
3) The "gringo: from California has also been written about many times. He's worse than the tico bums which is really saying something. The fact that rollover spent 5K and hours walking around with this guy says a lot about his judgement. There are any number of vets who you can meet at the BM, SL or ZB who will take you around with them when they're ready to hit the streets, that you won't have to worry about scamming you and will do it for free.
4) The HDR/BM reaction. Well I hate to say but I can understand this reaction. A lot of guys seem to describe the place as wall to wall 10's or something. Frankly I don't see it at all, though beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. There are definitely a LOTof woofers in there trying to cash in on the foolish gringo with a lot of cash money train (and one of them found it with roller). But there are also usually plenty of 8's and 9's if you scope out the place properly (and/or wait for them to arrive). Unfortunately, or as might be expected, the cream of the crop gets snapped up quick.
5) How many kids the girls have is not the best or even the only test. As Roller discovered, most of these chicas already have nino's. And who care's (unless you're looking for an overnight traveling companion or something). If you're real goal is screen for prune bellies and saggy tits, there are more effective ways to do it. LOOK THEM OVER BETTER. I try to go only for the ones with bare midriffs. Look over what they're wearing. It is fairly easy to spot the ones who have their tits pushed up to make artificial cleavage (shit, I can do that too) or have fake tits (I haven't done that). Less easy to spot are the ones whose ass keeps spilling out when they finally take off their jeans back at the room. But I usually go for spinners so don't often encounter that problem.
6)"So, since the first hottie had only one, I cave-in! I go full price $100 (54, 000 colones)." Damn, if this is the result on the guys that do RTFF and most of the guys that go to CR don't, then we are really in trouble. You should never ever have to pay that much and certainly not for the minimal criteria that she only has 1 kid.
7) "She follows me back to the hotel complaining that I didn't get a taxi. I argued 'Why?'." Why? Perhaps because of high heels and cracked sidewalks or perhaps because of fears of muggers in the Morazon Park which is well known for that. But if Roller really thought the complaints were so ridiculous or at least overblown, maybe that should have been his final clue that this chica was going to be trouble and he should have ditched her right there and walked her back to the bar without sessioning.
8) The "fees" at the Holiday Inn? I never heard of $47. At worst you can sign them in as a registered guest along with you instead of as a visitor and just pay the double rate instead of a single (usually about $10-20/night). The only drawback there is that you can only do that with 1 chica per day. If you only want to sign them in as a guest, you and the chica do have to sign a sign-in sheet. That is standard practice everywhere, even at places where they don't charge a fee. And the sign-in is for your protection as much as anything. Some guys try to get around the high chica fee at the HI and similar places by trying to sneak their chica in around the security. But if something later happens in your room, you actually have much less recourse if you were violating the hotel's policy. The HI is widely reported to charge $20 to bring chicas back. Again all this has been reported on this board. Any place with a rate that high (let alone "$47") can not IMHO be fairly described as chica friendly. Whatever the rate, Rollover should have known about that and been prepared for it or better yet chosen a different hotel.
[QUOTE=Member #2666]Sorry to hit you heavy but you are wrong on many points! For example: maybe 2964 is a 9 or 10, speaks Spanish, dances, well mannered and the girls really like him versus a fat, hairy assed, sweaty old gringo slob smoking a stinking cigar, drinking rum and cokes, beer, vodka, not speaking any Spanish and pissing and farting throughout the day.[/quote]Maybe, I frankly doubt it, but then he shouldn't post what he has as if his results are the same everyone else can expect. I've seen this argument often and it is true to SOME degree, but the far more common reality is that few of us are actually at either of the two ridiculous extremes you just described
[QUOTE=Member #2666]Second, when mentioning SL, KL, ZB, IDEM etc girls maybe he's referencing girls who once worked there and now don't...as you may know, the turnover is huge and should they choose to stay in the escort field hotel, apartment and beach excursions make a nice cash flow.[/quote]Actually, he didn't specify past ZB chicas and made it sound like he was talking about ones that are still working there such as Pamela. But even if he was talking about gals that have been canned or quit. On a straight cash basis, they're not going to work for less than they could have made just sticking around ZB or moving over to the HDR/BM, unless they are getting something else out of it (dinners, shopping, all-expense paid trips to the beach, or just the services of a handsome charming stud)[QUOTE=Member #2666]Also, keep in mind that your 9-10 may be someone elses 3-4. Me for example...if she looks anything like a milky white barbie blond American type...I'm not interested..Pamela Anderson, Jenna Jameson included....save the comments here ...just how it is.[/quote]Another overworked argument. That might work in the other direction to explain why some guys over pay for what we see as a 3-4, but it doesn't explain why a chica that even some guys might see as 9-10 would go for only 7K colones when there are those "some guys" out there who would probably pay much more. No, if she is going for only 7K, then she probably is futt bugly or there is some other special connection between her and the gringo involved.
[QUOTE=Member #2666]Lastly, the prices quoted per hour at any of the places in and around San Jose doesn't mean the girl got paid that rate for eight hours...Talk to the girls...many sit there all day, many days for nothing...mostly in the ZB SL IDEM and New Fantasy where , granted there is plenty of business but not necessarily for everyone.[/quote]Again, the fact that girls don't get the full fee has already been pointed out but at ZB at least they still get more than 7K. Many get that just as their tip (on top of their share of the house fee) without ever having to go out with anyone. The fact that they sit around might be a good one, but if they sit around all day at a place as busy as ZB then there must be something pretty wrong with them that not even one guy walks in all day that decides to pick them. Also, to the extent they're not busy for the full 8 hours/day, having to sit around joking with your girlfriends is hardly the same level of work as having some old gringo guy humping away at you (you think these girls get enough sex to satisfy them and would want to give it a rest). Even with a "sure deal" outside the club with no sitting around, these girls know what gringos pay at the club and they know what some chicas get at places like the BM. They may go less than the usual MP session fee, but there's no way that they're going to go for much less let alone only 7K for 2-3 hours. About the only way that would happen is if its with a guy that they're been with many times at the MP and know and trust and perhaps really like, or one who has been tipping her heavily over the past few sessions. But then what does his average cost per hour really come out to?[QUOTE=Member #2666]As far as photo's go ...check my collection and you'll see a selection of girls who happily got well under $50 per session for numerous hours and were plenty satisfied[/quote]Photos, prove nothing. I'm not saying you've reposted anyone else's photos. Though that has definitely happened before with others. But even with a real and genuine photo, it proves nothing about how much was paid (or claimed to be paid) for that chica. We can only take the poster's word on that, And claims of only 7K for 2-3hours when so few other mongers back that up does not lend a lot of credence to it.
[QUOTE=Member #2666]Lastly, for me I don't want to take a girl to the beach. I enjoy the few hours a day with the ladies but enjoy my own time alone at the beach, where I can talk to the guys, drink in the bars, smoke my cigars and fart as much as I want without embarrassing myself in the company of a chica[/QUOTE]I can readily understand that, but then if that is the case one shouldn't be factoring in that "guy time" in coming up with absurd average hourly rate claims.
[QUOTE=Member #2666]Sorry to dismiss your opinion but factually you're wrong...Many girls work outside the MP,s night clubs etc for much less. [/QUOTE]
I never said that every single one wants $70/hr, but most do. But you must be talking about those "hot" babes from Tico MP's that make $6/hr. Yes, those will gladly come to your room for $35 for a couple of hours. But good luck getting an Idem or ZB girl to your room for under $50-60/hr.
[QUOTE=Rolleratnight]I walk over there and I am approached by a guy that wants to "help" me. Ordinarily I would wave this guy off, but he was pretty mellow, not pushy. I struck up a conversation with him and he told me he was from Califorinia (1/2 Costa Rican) and he was avoiding a jail sentence for vehicular homocide. He killed somebody driving drunk. Well, he and I talked for about 1/2 hour. He was a wealth of information about places to visit, etc. He gave me the "walking tour" of massage parlors etc. He didn't ask for it, but I gave him 5000 Colones tip. He really spent a lot of time with me.[/QUOTE]California boy really cashed in. Vehicular homocide? That's a new one, he usually has a more believeable story. A few times he lost his passport and was given a counterfeit 10K bill and wanted $2. 90 for a meal.
But this generous man gave him $10. He just made his weekly salary on one newbie. Shows that reading the boards prevents you from being taken like that or for the $47 chica fee.
One thing that seems to be overlooked in this string and many other discussions about pricing and chica experiences, is the amount of time one spends in midtown San Jose and the gulch.
If you're visiting for a long weekend or maybe a week or 10 days once or twice a year then you are going to have a completely different mindset on hooking up verses a guy who spends a month or two at a time a couple times a year.
The infrequent traveler hasn't the time to experiment very much and his experiences are mostly limited ....thus making my experiences and 2964 and others, RCB (possibly) ventures seem a bit unrealistic
Believe me, two straight weeks at ZB, SL, DR and Kl can get a little old.
Venturing out for a change, and taking the risk of no pussy for a day or two can be very threatening to the occasional visitor.
So maybe not to fast on critisizing of what you really don't know and keep an open mind that maybe someday it could be you if your willing to do the work and put in the time.
The change pace is how one goes about building relationships and getting the extraordinary chicas off the beaten track......well, off the gringo beaten track....again, some of the places have been around over 20 years (VIPs, and IDEM to name 2)...they must be doing something right...even if it's mostly for the pleasure of the ticos and nicos and a few venturesome gringos
I have to agree with 2666. He mades valid statements and adds helpful insight into suck-cessful CR mongering.
Before prolijo or kid brooklyn ever mention other peoples posting or not posting pics. POST SOME OF YOUR OWN. either here or CRT
You state that I have posted of taking a ZB girl to the beach. Show me or the post the quote. I never mentioned ZB in my post: only SL and DR.
You mentioned a ZB girl (empolyee getting fired). I am familiar with the story and was there in March; Vanessa still works there.
I think Eddie has the coldess beer to be had in SJ. But his prices are too high: even with the CRT discount.
As I have stated I spend 2 months +/- a year in CR, since 2003.
I have never stayed at the DR, Holiday Inn, Balmoral, Presidente, ZB, SL or Morrzon.
I HAVE NEVER PAID $100.00. NUNCA. NADA. NADA. NADA.
I learn more spanish every day. I bring regalo's for the special woman who have become amigas.
I sincerely have fun and treat the girls respectfuly and with consideration.
I have been invited to their homes and have met with their families.
In closing I am reminded of a joke: prolijo and kid brooklyn you can call me the Rabbi and you are the I.R.S.
"At the end of the tax year,the IRS Tax Office sent an inspector to
audit the books of a Synagogue. While he was checking the books the
turned
to
the Rabbi and said, "I notice you buy a lot of candles.
>
>"What do you do with the candle drippings?"
>
>"Good question," noted the Rabbi. "We save them up and send them back
to the candle makers, and every now and then they send us a free box of
candles."
>
>"Oh," replied the auditor, somewhat disappointed that his unusual
question had a practical answer. But on he went, in his obnoxious way:
"What
about all these bread -wafer purchases? What do you do with the crumbs?"
>
>"Ah, yes," replied the Rabbi, realizing that the inspector was trying
to trap him with an unanswerable question. "We collect them and send
them
back to the manufacturers, and every now and then they send us a free
box of mahtzos."
>
>"I see," replied the auditor, thinking hard about how he could fluster
the know-it-all Rabbi. "Well, Rabbi," he went on, "what do you do with
all the leftover foreskins from the circumcisions you perform?"
>
>"Here, too, we do not waste," answered the Rabbi. "What we do is save
all the foreskins and send them to the IRS office, and about once a year
they send us a complete dick."
Real nice, 2964! You've managed to turn a mean (and not that funny) ethnic joke (insulting to jews as well as IRS agents) into a backhanded way of calling me a dick? If you're going to flame why don't you just come right out and say it. You'll note that I've refrained thus far from such name calling, sticking instead to fairly and consistently pointing out the many factual and logical errors in your statements. I'm sorry if the truth bothers you.
BTW, if you were a rabbi you'd know that it is priests who deal with wafers and moyels that deal with foreskins. Also, they save up all the foreskins and at the end of the year send it to a leathercraftsman not the IRS. All they get back is a wallet, which may not seem like much, but if you rub it a little it turns into a suitcase.[QUOTE=Member #2964]I have to agree with 2666. He mades valid statements and adds helpful insight into suck-cessful CR mongering.[/QUOTE]Why am I not surprised? You guys are always agreeing with each other and slapping each other on the back when no one else will. You even practically share the same handle. What are you clones of each other or something else...?
[QUOTE=Member #2666]One thing that seems to be overlooked in this string and many other discussions about pricing and chica experiences, is the amount of time one spends in San Jose.
If you're visiting for a long weekend or maybe a week or 10 days once or twice a year then you are going to have a completely different mindset on hooking up verses a guy who spends a month or two at a time a couple times a year.
The infrequent traveler hasn't the time to experiment very much and his experiences are mostly limited ....thus making my experiences and 2964 and others, RCB (possibly) ventures seem a bit unrealistic
Believe me, two straight weeks at ZB, SL, DR and Kl can get a little old.
Venturing out for a change, and taking the risk of no pussy for a day or two can be very threatening to the occasional visitor.
So maybe not to fast on critisizing of what you really don't know and keep an open mind that maybe someday it could be you if your willing to do the work and put in the time.
The change pace is how one goes about building relationships and getting the extraordinary chicas off the beaten track......well, off the gringo beaten track....again, some of the places have been around over 20 years (VIPs, and IDEM to name 2)...they must be doing something right...even if it's mostly for the pleasure of the ticos and nicos and a few venturesome gringos[/QUOTE]Your posts are still making no sense to me. This has nothing at all to do with getting out of SJ or away from the mongering scene. If that were the case, you're WAY off base in what you're suggesting about me. I've spent as much as a month at a time in CR. I know how old the usual monger scene can get. And in ALL my trips, I've always spent more time exploring the country than hanging out at newbie monger places like the Blue Marlin. Afraid of change or venturing out and taking the risk of no pussy for a day or two? I travel the country solo most of the time, rubbing elbows with ticos on public buses and practicing my spanish, staying in tico hotels and visiting tico bars. Last trip, I climbed Mt. Chirripo. How many people here have done that? And so what? I agree that getting out of the Gulch and away from mongering is a good thing. What does any of that have to do with being more effective while you ARE mongering?
I'll admit I haven't "experimented" as much as I'd like to have (who has?), but I think I've gone way beyond what you suggested in that regard too, and certainly more than the average gringo you run into down there. I've been travelling to CR since 2000 and have long since gone beyond the "ZB, SL, DR and KL". In fact, ZB and SL didn't even exist when I started going to CR. I've been in the Pensiones of Calle 6 where you can get a chica for less than 7K/hr and I wouldn't touch those skanks with your dick. And I've gotten the free blowjob after the Park Hotel Oil Show. Those chicas were pretty skanky too, but the price was right. And I know personally how realistic RBC's ventures are because I've actually been with him to places like Arcada's and Molino Rojo and even Miss Caribe across the street (which I also wouldn't recommend). I was taking chicas out of tico MP places like Arte's before you were even a member of this board and took my first mongering trip over 15 years ago before there were even boards like this to guide you.
If 2964 had specified that the 7K for 2-3 hours moonlighting with a pensiones whor, we wouldn't be having this discussion. If he had said that he was privey to some special deals with the ZB or NF chicas by virtue of being "willing to do the work and put in the time" (or as likely several sessions where you weren't getting special deals and possibly laying down heavy tips), then I'd even believe he could get them for below session price, just not anything near 7K which nowadays is a TIP at ZB. If he laid it out like that it would have been clear from the outset that hooking up with chicas like the 2 ZB gals in that picture for even the high end of the range mentioned (20K for 2-3 hours) would be very unlikely for the vast bulk of CR visitors who come to CR "for a long weekend or maybe a week or 10 days once or twice a year", REGARDLESS of their "mindset". Instead, he went on to argue using completely ridiculous calculations of even lower rates ($1.453/hr and $3.333/hr) by ignoring the fact that most of the time on those "dates" was really "downtime" (thereby completely eliminating any credibility in my mind)As it is, his posts are at best highly misleading to any newbies reading this board and at worst idle boasting and puffery.
[QUOTE=Prolijo]Your posts are still making no sense to me. This has nothing at all to do with getting out of SJ or away from the mongering scene. If that were the case, you're WAY off base in what you're suggesting about me. I've spent as much as a month at a time in CR. I know how old the usual monger scene can get. And in ALL my trips, I've always spent more time exploring the country than hanging out at newbie monger places like the Blue Marlin. Afraid of change or venturing out and taking the risk of no pussy for a day or two? I travel the country solo most of the time, rubbing elbows with ticos on public buses and practicing my spanish, staying in tico hotels and visiting tico bars. Last trip, I climbed Mt. Chirripo. How many people here have done that? And so what? I agree that getting out of the Gulch and away from mongering is a good thing. What does any of that have to do with being more effective while you ARE mongering? .[/QUOTE]
WTF...If I were directing my post to you then I would PM you...I'm responding publically and for you to think that I am speaking to YOU is ridiculous
[QUOTE=Prolijo]I'll admit I haven't "experimented" as much as I'd like to have (who has?), [/QUOTE]
Me, RBC and 2964 up to this point at least
[QUOTE=Prolijo]but I think I've gone way beyond what you suggested in that regard too, and certainly more than the average gringo you run into down there. I've been travelling to CR since 2000 and have long since gone beyond the "ZB, SL, DR and KL". In fact, ZB and SL didn't even exist when I started going to CR. I've been in the Pensiones of Calle 6 where you can get a chica for less than 7K/hr and I wouldn't touch those skanks with your dick. And I've gotten the free blowjob after the Park Hotel Oil Show. Those chicas were pretty skanky too, but the price was right. And I know personally how realistic RBC's ventures are because I've actually been with him to places like Arcada's and Molino Rojo and even Miss Caribe across the street (which I also wouldn't recommend). I was taking chicas out of tico MP places like Arte's before you were even a member of this board and took my first mongering trip over 15 years ago before there were even boards like this to guide you. [/QUOTE]
Then what's your beef...you've succeeded where most of the more experienced have...why not just help an encourage the "newbie" and less traveled monger out and show them how they can enjoy the out of gulch scene instead of insinuating that it's not feasable...
Over and out for me on this subject ...and good luck to those who can get beyond the nonsense of this thread and enjoy all the many jewels of San Jose and the rest of Costa Rica...there's a lot og great girls out there in all shapes sizes attitudes and prices. You'll just probably hit a home run every time at bat
[QUOTE=Member #2666] WTF...If I were directing my post to you then I would PM you...I'm responding publically and for you to think that I am speaking to YOU is ridiculous[/quote]Then who other else has been taking the lead in the discussion trying to qualify 2964 ridiculous assertions? IMHO, my assumption was far that what you were saying was intended at least in part at me was far from ridiculous
[QUOTE=Member #2666]Me, RBC and 2964 up to this point at least[/quote]You can let Brandon speak for himself. OTOH, you and 2964 have been doing a pretty good job at speaking for each other up to now. If that is the way you all feel, then I feel sorry for you. Socrates, a smart man himself, once said "One thing only I know, and that is that I know nothing". For me at least the more I get around the more I realize I want to experience. Perhaps you guys are really lacking in imagination even though you don't seem to have any trouble making things up here.
[QUOTE=Member #2666] Then what's your beef...you've succeeded where most of the more experienced have...why not just help an encourage the "newbie" and less traveled monger out and show them how they can enjoy the out of gulch scene instead of insinuating that it's not feasable.[/QUOTE]That's the very first time ANYONE has ever suggested I'm not helpful to newbies, I AM helpful to newbies by telling them the facts and not fantasies and by telling them what are reasonably acheivable goals. One shouldn't have to embellish with suggestions of $1.45/hour rates, when the reality should be encouraging enough.
Hey mongers...Needed advice on a first time trip to CR (and I have RTFF, so am a bit overwhelmed!)
Most of my mongering experience has been in Asia (so that's the framing I bring.)
I look for a slightly "upscale" experience. So what I gather from the forum is Marriott, thought a bit futher off, might be the most upscale, Chica friendly hotel.
Also, $100 or so is the going price. What was not clear to me is was this for Short time? OR all night? Typically, I like all nighter, GFE types.
Also, any recomendations for clubs which might have semi-pros available for P4P? Most of the places referred to here seemed to be pro oriented. Thanks in advance!
I arrived in SJ this morning after a traveling nightmare yesterday. After checking in at JFK airport two mornings ago I managed to fall asleep in the waiting lounge. (I'd had a big night out and a blowjob in a Manhattan club, and no sleep for 30 hours).
My flight was 630am, but I woke up in waiting lounge at 9am, dazed and repeatedly saying "Oh fuck". My flight and ALL my luggage had gone to SJ without me (I'd put my carry-on inside my suitcase). I reported my problem to the airline, then went back to New York City to stay a hotel to catch up on real sleep and nurse my wounds.
Finally arrived safely in SJ today. My accommodation is Sportsmens Lodge - nice place, and the owner is a nice guy. There's only a few girls here at the moment (it's a laid back place), but it's only 5pm. The girls are cute and hot.
This afternoon I went to Zona Blue to pick up a discount card I'd paid for online a week ago. It wasn't there. The manager said she would give me the discount prices anyway if I wanted a girl now. I said "Manana", as my cab was waiting outside to take me to HDR. I did walk inside the bar area for a few minutes to check about 10 young honeys. Not bad, but the place is set up like a regular brothel. Not my scene. Dubai has spoiled me.
Went to HDR about 2pm to have lunch (food was terrible. Nachos for godsake - how could they get that so wrong?). There were about 20 girls, ranging from "Yaaaaghk!" to a couple of 9s. Mostly 5s.
I invited myself to sit with two girls sitting chatting at a table - one of the '9's and her friend (a '7'). They offered 200 for both of them for three hours. If they were available tonight I would have negotiated, just to get Miss 9 home. (She looks way too fresh, young and slim to have a kid). Unfortunately they both have kids, so they only work until 6pm. I prefer night-time sessions, so gave my apologies and again said manana. Miss 9 gave me her phone number just in case. I may be tempted one afternoon.
I left HDR and walked a few blocks to buy some groceries, and fell in love with a few of the local girls doing their grocery shopping. There was a lot of eye contact from them, but maybe they were just wondering why I was looking at them. ;)
Not sure where I'll go tonight, but whereever, I do believe I may bring home a bad girl or two.
Tomorrow I may call one of the dating site girls.
"Also, $100 or so is the going price." WRONG. Cien is not the going price. It's the fools price. You can negotiate down to $50-$60 for an hour. Now, a TLN can run you cien. Best to screen your TLN's carefully beforehand.
[QUOTE=Piper1]My flight and ALL my luggage had gone to SJ without me (I'd put my carry-on inside my suitcase). [/QUOTE]
Are you SURE your luggage went to SJ without you and wasn't taken off the plane? If so, this was a serious breach of security. Since 9/11 there has been an FAA regulation that no plane is to take off with unaccompanied luggage. I was once on an American Airlines flight out of Miami that was delayed for nearly an hour while they removed luggage that had been checked in but the passenger didn't show up. That's why I'm somewhat skeptical. What airline were you flying. I'll be sure to avoid them in the future!
Lorenzo
I posted, some time back, my "first day of stupidity". Of course I am writing with some humility on my experiences in Costa Rica. Maybe some can learn from them. I am not, however, presenting the following as an authority on the subject. Again, if you would like to read how it all started, scroll back to my original post "my first day of stupidity"
I think it's important to state that I am a bodybuilder, not to be impressive, but I think it will explain what some of my expectations were.
1) I didn't go to Costa Rica to get laid, no more than a child goes to Disney World to watch cartoons. I get laid at home plenty. I did expect a chance to chose some very top quality, young (over 18), women that would be somewhat reasonably priced. What I found were girls that were in their mid-twenties on up, that all had children, and most had really stinky pussies. One girl that told me she was 26, actually was 32, when she presented her passport at the hotel counter. 2) Since I only went for what I considered 9-10s, and there were damm few of them, I found them unwilling to negotiate below $100. I would offer $60-$80 and they would walk away. One even offered to introduce me to "other ladies that would take $60. " So, some will say they got pussy cheaper, and I don't doubt them, but I wonder about the quality. I found the Blue Marlin full of women of all levels of quality, and I am not sure that's even a good place. I did go to New Fantasy and Zona Blue and found the women there to be less than acceptable and walked out. Maybe you if I did repeated visits I would find better, I don't know. Again, I wanted prime-cuts, not some passable chick to fuck for pennies on the dollar.
3) Everyone seemed to talk about how dangerous it was there, e. G. Muggings in Parque Morazon. I walked through that park at all hours and never once felt unsafe, nor did I on the streets, or when I got lost in the bad section of town. Nobody asked, but let's talk about safety. You shouldn't go to Costa Rica to get wasted. I don't drink and maybe I am bias, but do you "need" to drink there? Save the drinking for when you get back to your hotel room. No matter what part of the world you are in, NYC or San Jose, every thief looks for a drunk. When you are walking the streets, maintain a serious look, not a threatening one, but one that makes you appear alert and ready for business, walk with your hands in a fist. No thief wants a confrontation, and if you look like you'll kick ass, he'll/they'll avoid you. I had a knife at all times too, not a pocket knife, but a good stabbing one. But, I was in the Army and I know how to use it, it's not a hard technique to learn, but don't carry one unless you know how to use it. Also, do you really love that beer gut or wouldn't you be happier with some muscles? Work out for a few months and make your trip to Costa Rica you reward.
4) This maybe a little hardcore for some, but take alcohol wipes (70% or better). Wipe your scrotum, dick, and the whole pubic region after each session. Your balls are banging against that infected pussy and when you flaccid penis comes out of that condom, guess where it lays. Against your infected scrotum. It only burns about 20 seconds, be a man and suck it up. STDs hurt a lot worse. All the chicks I had, were so impressed they used my alcohol wipes too and I even let them take some. Do it!
5) Know your limit! I paid for two girls, $100 each, on separate occasions, and didn't cum! Felt kind of stupid, but there is a limit to the number of times you can cum in a certain period of time.
6) Never believe their claims about not rushing you and how they'll give you a good time. They all rushed! They are all sweet and full of promises until you get them to your room.
7) Darkness can fool you. At the Blue Marlin I turned down a chick because she didn't look very good, and ended up picking up somebody else. Guess what? The one I chose looked worse in full light, the one I turned down, I saw in the lobby the next day, she was much prettier in the light. I really regret that situation, but try and get the lady you are talking to, to go with you to a more lighted area, it doesn't hurt to make sure.
8) I stayed in over 7 hotels. The absolute best deal, cleanest room, etc. Was the Sleep Inn next to Hotel Del Rey.
9) Don't stay at the Hotel Del Rey. I wouldn't know from experience, but every hooker in the Blue Marlin told me that. I think they would know and I would heed their advice.
To answer some of the questions that people wrote about my original post.
1) I rented a car so I could drive around the country, not to drive over to the Blue Marlin bar.
2) I knew about a "tica tax" I didn't know it was $47 at the Holiday Inn. Besides, Holiday Inn sucked! I thought I could bribe the doorman to let the girl in. The girl waited until we got inside then she went to the desk and made me go with her. I guess I could've backed out then, but it was the first night.
Well, I'll probably think of more to say. I know some of the old hands will pick this apart, but I think the perspective of a first-timer, written in truthful humility, is very educational.
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[QUOTE=Lorenzo]Are you SURE your luggage went to SJ without you and wasn't taken off the plane? ...That's why I'm somewhat skeptical. What airline were you flying. I'll be sure to avoid them in the future!
Lorenzo[/QUOTE]I wanted to keep my post a readable length yesterday, but since it's a rainy afternoon in SJ, here is the longer version, just for you. ;)
Trust me Lorenzo, It happened, and it was no fun spending another day in NYC with only my passport, credit card and ATM card and a bit of cash. Plus wondering if I would ever see my luggage again - including my laptop, three USB drives, two cameras, and newly purchased sex accessories.
I flew Taca. You are right - they breached the regulations. By the time I woke up at the airport, there was no-one at their desk, so I called their 1800 number twice that day. On the first call I re-booked my flight for the next morning ($100 rebooking fee) and asked how I could track my luggage. The guy said it would be on the flight to SJ. I pointed out that they cannot take unaccompanied luggage. He said they would. Still concerned, I called later in the day, and was told by another guy that they absolutely would not take unaccompanied luggage. Now I was worried, as I would be in SJ next day and my luggage would still be in JFK. He told me the only thing to do was arrive at the airport extra early and ask the TACA guys.
This story is getting long, but bottom line is I arrived at JFK early, the TACA guys were confused but helpful. They made a few calls, and sure enough my luggage had gone to SJ without me. I pointed out it shouldn't have. They pointed out anything is possible. Not only that, but my e-ticket had been given to someone else!
I was a bit pissed off that they left without me, considering I was snoozing in the seat closest to the boarding gate. It should have been obvious I was the missing passenger.
When I boarded the plane, the lead agent checked my boarding pass and said with a smile "Ah! Mr. Piper! You decided to fly today." When I mentioned I had fallen asleep and no-one looked for me, he said they left 45 minutes late while they waited for me.
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Epilogue.
I arrived at SJ airport, went to the TACA guys, and after 15 minutes they brought my luggage to me. I opened it to check it was all there, and the guy told me not to worry, he had already opened it yesterday and for security reasons had checked everything. With a sheepish grin, I asked "Everything?" and he showed me the inventory: laptop, two digital cameras, backpack, etc. He forgot to open the black plastic bag with a couple of vibrators, masks, lube, full-body stockings etc.
On another note: Played a bit of pool at Sportsmens Lodge last night. I enjoyed a few games with one cutie in particular, but she was being jealously guarded by a giant guy. I took the safe option and went to Blue Marlin Club around 10pm (6am Dubai time, and it sure felt like 6am to me - I was bushed but determined to have some fun). After chatting with a few honeys, I ended up taking home an 18 y.o. CR girl who spoke almost no English, sitting with an older woman who helped negotiate the deal.
Due to jetlag and a few drinks, I didnt think to take pics or use the accessories. Just good raw sex. After the first session I just wanted to sleep, but she stayed, roused me up later, and we had a second session. Great little body, passionate and noisy, but wouldnt kiss.
I slept most of today, so energy levels are coming back.
Piper, this is all well and good, but here comes the important question.
Did you get laid last night, and if so, since you have 2 digital cameras with you, where are the pics ?????
[QUOTE=1Ball]Piper, this is all well and good, but here comes the important question.
Did you get laid last night, and if so, since you have 2 digital cameras with you, where are the pics ?????[/QUOTE]
Well, Mr. Ball, if you waited a minute you would have seen my follow-up post. ;)
[QUOTE=Piper1]I flew Taca. You are right - they breached the regulations. .....
I arrived at SJ airport, went to the TACA guys, and after 15 minutes they brought my luggage to me............. I He forgot to open the black plastic bag with a couple of vibrators, masks, lube, full-body stockings etc.[/QUOTE]
Well, I'm glad you clarified that. I don't doubt you, but I'm quite surprised. I've flown Taca many times and even have a ticket to do so in July, and they've always impressed me as being efficiently run. I hope they don't make a practice of this, because it really does put all the passengers in jeopardy.
If you don't mind, could you speak a bit about the masks and the full body stockings? How exactly do you use them? I'm really not up (no pun intended) on the latest sex paraphernalia.
Lorenzo
[QUOTE=Piper1]Well, Mr. Ball, if you waited a minute you would have seen my follow-up post. ;)[/QUOTE]
Sorry Piper, I am impatient. the thing is, I am stuck here in Bali with my nymphomaniac 3 holer, 28 year old girl friend, so I am currently mongering vicariously through you.
[QUOTE=Lorenzo] If you don't mind, could you speak a bit about the masks and the full body stockings? How exactly do you use them? [/QUOTE]Sure. I bring the masks in case the girls are hesitant to let me take pics. Makes it fun for them, and they feel more anonymous. Never fails to make them camera-happy. They soon get into the fun and allow pics without the mask. The crotchless full-body stockings - first time I've bought them, but should be fun too. Girls enjoy modelling lingerie.
I didn't use the accessories with tonight's girl. Our deal was four hours, but after about two hours she cut the session short, saying she needed to go see her kids. She probably wanted to get back to HDR for the next customer, as it was only 10pm. I was okay with that, as I was still jet-lagged and wanted to catch up on sleep. I deducted $20 from her salary and let her on her way.
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PS - I guess I shouldn't complain too much about tonight's girl. While I was trying to upload my photos on the Sportsmens Lodge PC around 3:30am, a drunk guy arrived with his girl for the night, and she left his room 30 minutes later, saying "Gracias gracias".
Driving around with a cabbie tonight looking for a pharmacia that would sell me a cialis or viagra (I was shagged and wanted a half-tab.) No luck - they wanted a prescription, so I had to find my inner reserves.
But I digress.
As we were driving somewhere behind Morazan Parque, I saw three gorgeous girls on a dark street corner. I asked the cabbie if they were working girls. He didn't understand, so I said "Prostituto?" (pardon my bad Spanish). He said they were policia, trapping guys looking for streetwalkers. Beware.
Later we drove past another three gorgeous girls standing on a dark street corner. I asked the cabbie "Policia?" He laughed and said "Transvestos". Beware.
They are definitely transvestites. But just avoid the park after dark.
The thing that bothers me is that now you are saying I have to see a doctor to get some Cialis????????????? [b]Say it aint so![/b]
[QUOTE=Rolleratnight]
1) I didn't go to Costa Rica to get laid, no more than a child goes to Disney World to watch cartoons. I get laid at home plenty. I did expect a chance to chose some very top quality, young (over 18), women that would be somewhat reasonably priced. What I found were girls that were in their mid-twenties on up, that all had children, and most had really stinky pussies. One girl that told me she was 26, actually was 32, when she presented her passport at the hotel counter. 2) Since I only went for what I considered 9-10s, and there were damm few of them, I found them unwilling to negotiate below $100. I would offer $60-$80 and they would walk away. One even offered to introduce me to "other ladies that would take $60. " So, some will say they got pussy cheaper, and I don't doubt them, but I wonder about the quality. I found the Blue Marlin full of women of all levels of quality, and I am not sure that's even a good place. I did go to New Fantasy and Zona Blue and found the women there to be less than acceptable and walked out. Maybe you if I did repeated visits I would find better, I don't know. Again, I wanted prime-cuts, not some passable chick to fuck for pennies on the dollar.[/QUOTE]
There are some really hot ones. The problem is that they are quite aware of their hotness, which is because they are probably about 1 in 100.
I am not the bodybuilder type, but I do "lift". Not huge or anything, but compared to their population, I stick out. Many of the girls simply wouldnt sleep with me since they assumed all of me would be just as proportionately large. (Well some like the idea, most dont.)
It seems to me that if the girl likes you, she'd go down to $60 or $80. $80 might be a neutral amount they're willing to compromise on, but $60 definitely means she wants you on some level, just not enough to skip the money.
$100 or $120 or $150 means they dont really want to have sex with you.
Of course they'll all say "$100" at the outset, but if you can't bargain downwards, she doesnt want to do it with you.
Most all of them have children, which is the main reason why they're out there. They probably cant get a guy to marry them, but they are attractive enough that they figure some middle-aged gringos would be glad to spend 5 mins with them.
I prefer the non-tourist chicas. They seem to love my gringo accent.
Anyone been to the Pirates Club? If so, is it worth a trip? I kind like the idea of the chicas dressing up in pirate outfits!
I went to Costa Rica thinking if I took a ton of Colones, I would be able to get better prices. First I got ripped-off on the exchange rate. I bought them from my bank and they really took me.
Then I go to Costa Rica and EVERYONE quoted me dollars, when I offered to pay in Colones, they pulled out a calculator to find the equivalent. Since I didn't have a calculator handy, nor did I want to question every single transaction, I just let it ride.
The only place that asked for Colones was KFC!
I would like to hear what everyone takes to Costa Rica when they go. What's the Cash/Colones/Traveler's Checks/etc ratios?
Many thanks!
[QUOTE=Tyhigs77]There are some really hot ones. The problem is that they are quite aware of their hotness, which is because they are probably about 1 in 100.[/QUOTE]Oh so very true in my opinion. They know they can demand top dollar!
[QUOTE=Tyhigs77]I am not the bodybuilder type, but I do "lift". Not huge or anything, but compared to their population, I stick out. Many of the girls simply wouldnt sleep with me since they assumed all of me would be just as proportionately large. (Well some like the idea, most dont.)[/QUOTE]Hmm, I don't think I was rejected. I think they liked it. They all squeezed my arms and made comments about my "musculos". They also made comments about how "clean" I looked and how much they liked that I was "clean".
It seems to me that if the girl likes you, she'd go down to $60 or $80. $80 might be a neutral amount they're willing to compromise on, but $60 definitely means she wants you on some level, just not enough to skip the money.
I prefer the non-tourist chicas. They seem to love my gringo accent.[/QUOTE]Where do you find "non-tourist chicas"? Are you talking about prostitutes? I don't think any girl goes down because she "wants" to do you, they want $$$. They do this day in and day out, so I figure they are pretty good about judgin g what the customer wants and if he's going to pay for it.
[QUOTE=Tyhigs77] you are saying I have to see a doctor to get some Cialis????????????? [b]Say it aint so![/b][/QUOTE]It was after 9pm, and only one nearby pharmacy was open. They definitely wouldn't sell cialis without a script - maybe other pharmacies do. I managed okay without a boost last night anyway. Miss J oozed natural cialis.
In the end I was glad I went natural, as last time I tried a half-tab of cialis I reacted badly.
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EDIT IN: I bought cialis over the counter today on Avenue de Centrale. So little time, so many women.
Downtown SJ is a small world. I wandered around Central Avenue this afternoon, then settled into a street-side cafe where I could eat, drink and watch the lovely locals walk by. A guy sitting at the next table struck up a conversation - first trip here and he'd only been in SJ for an hour. When I asked him where he was staying, he said "Here". Turns out I was sitting at the News Cafe in Presidente Hotel. Good location.[QUOTE=Qncterra]If you are going to be around Del Rey or News Cafe and want company watching the crowd just let me know.[/QUOTE]We'll be at Del Rey around 10:30pm. Just look for the shagged-out looking 40-ish guy in jeans and black t-shirt, medium build and exotic Australian accent, and a wide-eyed lean balding Amercian guy around same age.
[QUOTE=Piper1]It was after 9pm, and only one nearby pharmacy was open. They definitely wouldn't sell cialis without a script - maybe other pharmacies do. I managed okay without a boost last night anyway. Miss J oozed natural cialis.
In the end I was glad I went natural, as last time I tried a half-tab of cialis I reacted badly.
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EDIT IN: I bought cialis over the counter today on Avenue de Centrale. So little time, so many women.[/QUOTE]
I think all the Porn I've watched has ruined my ability to reach a hard-on with little visual stimulation. The wild things the women do in the videos plus close ups that you never get to see in person cause your head isnt down there has numbed me. So I have to be extremely attracted to the woman to really get it up nowadays. :(
Without Cialis, how would I get it up?! lol
[QUOTE=Tyhigs77]There are some really hot ones. The problem is that they are quite aware of their hotness, which is because they are probably about 1 in 100.
I am not the bodybuilder type, but I do "lift". Not huge or anything, but compared to their population, I stick out. Many of the girls simply wouldnt sleep with me since they assumed all of me would be just as proportionately large. (Well some like the idea, most dont.)
It seems to me that if the girl likes you, she'd go down to $60 or $80. $80 might be a neutral amount they're willing to compromise on, but $60 definitely means she wants you on some level, just not enough to skip the money.
$100 or $120 or $150 means they dont really want to have sex with you.
Of course they'll all say "$100" at the outset, but if you can't bargain downwards, she doesnt want to do it with you.
Most all of them have children, which is the main reason why they're out there. They probably cant get a guy to marry them, but they are attractive enough that they figure some middle-aged gringos would be glad to spend 5 mins with them.
I prefer the non-tourist chicas. They seem to love my gringo accent.[/QUOTE]
I take it all back after having read this on another board:
"Brothers I went last night (Saturday) the place was packed with guys buying drinks hand over fist for the girls, had them at the gaming tables buying them chips ect...no biggie if they wanna spend a little dough on them before the sexo BUT>>>I pulled 3 different chicas aside last night
within the 3 or so hours I was there and TRIED to work a deal.
TWO told me 120.00 HR and CONDOM BBJ..I said PHUCK THAT.
so I counter with that to Mucho..and BBBJ.
Well the first girl said thank you baby, and got up and walked AWAY with no futher counter offer...the next 120.00 girl said si condom good but will give good massage too. lol..I said ok but no cien 80.00..so she said..Bye bye..and she LEAVES !!!....3rd one I ask AS IM GIVING UP TO LEAVE tells me a cein..so I say bbbj? she says NO and WALKS OFF !!!!
I went home alone..will stick to the MPS "
[QUOTE=Tyhigs77]I take it all back after having read this on another board:
"Brothers I went last night (Saturday) the place was packed with guys buying drinks hand over fist for the girls, had them at the gaming tables buying them chips ect...no biggie if they wanna spend a little dough on them before the sexo BUT>>>I pulled 3 different chicas aside last night within the 3 or so hours I was there and TRIED to work a deal.
TWO told me 120.00 HR and CONDOM BBJ..I said PHUCK THAT.
so I counter with that to Mucho..and BBBJ.
Well the first girl said thank you baby, and got up and walked AWAY with no futher counter offer...the next 120.00 girl said si condom good but will give good massage too. lol..I said ok but no cien 80.00..so she said..Bye bye..and she LEAVES !!!....3rd one I ask AS IM GIVING UP TO LEAVE tells me a cein..so I say bbbj? she says NO and WALKS OFF !!!!
I went home alone..will stick to the MPS "[/QUOTE]I tend to agree too. I mean if you are going after the 8-10s then you can't barter much, maybe with the ugly ones, but not with the babes. I will say that all my "negotiations" were done early the evening 7-9pm and not at the wee hours of the morning. I may give the MP another glance next time I go and see if the quality improves.
I'd have to agree about poor quality (in the looks department). I was in BM and KL last night for over two hours. There were about 100 girls, but I seriously couldn't be bothered with any of them. Maybe I was just shagged out. There were a few gems, but I wasn't in a hurry, and they were soon snapped up.
The silicone implant doctors around here are making a very good living, but they over-do the boob-jobs. Some of the girls look like they are ready to explode.
One tall caramel-skinned DR girl nearly managed to hook me, by virtually giving me a hand-job in the busy main bar for about 30 minutes as we talked and snuggled while she looked into my eyes with her smouldering eyes. At that point I realized I didn't need the help of the cialis after all. ;) I should have taken her home, as she was an 8, no silicone, and hot.
For some reason I wanted to look around more, so I said I'd be back in 5 minutes and went to KL for 30 minutes. The 10 gem I've seen there the past two nights was constantly busy dancing with old guys. She gave me a hello and a cheeky smile as she walked past but sat at a table with one of the guys - she was taken again.
Miss J from yesterday's photos was at KL, and tried to talk me into another night in my hotel room, but I wanted a little more variety and a little less silicone.
Finally, I wandered back over to BM about 2am. Only about 40 girls, and overall very poor quality with a very tired atmosphere. A few girls dozing on their seats. Miss Handjob was gone, so I settled on a youngish CR girl (about 20 y.o. and a 6-7 in looks). Nice attitude, not a bad session, but nothing to write home about. I should've taken the night off, but my free nights here are coming to an end soon.
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Meanwhile, the guy and girl in the next suite are having a good time. I can clearly hear their every moan, groan, kiss and slurp through the adjoining door.
As I was sitting alone at a table last night at BM waiting for my new pal to arrive, several girls came and propositioned me. I mentioned I was waiting for a friend, so maybe later. Most just smiled and went on their way.
Suddenly I felt a girl caressing my shoulders from behind, saying "Hey baby, how are you, you want company?" I looked around and she was the ugliest girl I've ever seen. Obese, wearing a halter top, her stomach hanging over her mis-matching yellow mini-skirt, a hag of a face with clown make-up, and straggly messy hair. Despite my protests that I didn't want company, she kept persisting and wouldn't stop caressing me. In the end I firmly said "Please go away", and she did.
She really was a freak show. The girls were laughing at her as she hobbled around unsteadily on her high-heels. She clearly has problems.
Finally made it home to Dubai (38 hours travel door to door). Time to reminisce about the girls.
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'India' from Hotel Del Rey:
My favorite girl during this trip was India. Not a stunner, but not ugly. A little on the Rubenesque side, but I like 'cuddly' girls from time to time. During the night she asked me why I chose her when there were many more beautiful girls in HDR. I told her she was one of the most beautiful girls there, and that I liked her natural looks. She liked my answer. (I was being honest, but truth be known, she also tickled my fetish for dark Indianesque girls).
Also, most of the girls at HDR seem a bit hardened and were aggressively "on the hunt", but she was sitting happily chatting with a stunning friend at the bar until I started chatting with her. I almost took her friend instead, purely for her looks, but I resisted.
As we chatted, India told me she didn't like HDR. She said it's too noisy and crowded, with too many drunk guys. I agreed, and took her across to the much more laid-back Key Largo where we played pool and danced to the great Latin American band for about two hours. Later, we went to a restaurant she recommended for another hour and a half. She was fun company, great dance teacher, happy personality, and lots of laughing.
At the restaurant, she told me a bit about her life. No sob stories - she's happy with what she has, and sees her part-time work for what it is - extra money for her family, and she gets to practice her English (!) She lives with her kids and her father, and works full-time on her father's flower farm in the mountains. She works a couple of times a week at HDR when she comes into town for college, and her father knows what she does when she's in town.
Neither of us mentioned money (or even a booking) during the night of chatting, dancing, playing pool and dining. But it was understood after a few hours that we would be going home together for the night. As I paid for the restaurant bill I brought up the issue. She asked for the usual Cien, and I didn't negotiate - we were beyond that point. By then she was relaxed and genuinely having a good night out (so was I), which meant that sex that night was pretty damn good.
As soon as we walked into the hotel room, she grabbed me and kissed deep and we played around a bit. She was already very wet before her clothes came off. Very passionate night, best GFE and best sex I had during the trip.
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Erica at ZB:
Erica was undoubtedly the best looking girl of the trip (and pretty good sex). She'd have to be close to a 10 in looks (young-looking, exotic face - she looks about 20, although she's 25). Very friendly personality. Just looking at her sultry face in the wall-mirror while shagging her from behind melted me.
I met her in Zona Blue on my final afternoon before heading for the airport, so only managed to spend an hour with her. If I'd met her earlier in the trip I would have tried to see her after her work for a night out and longer sessions (even though management of Zona Blue doesn't approve of moonlighting). ZB closes at 9pm, so I'm sure some of the girls privately moonlight later in the night.
[QUOTE=Piper1]
Meanwhile, the guy and girl in the next suite are having a good time. I can clearly hear their every moan, groan, kiss and slurp through the adjoining door.[/QUOTE]
It was not me Piper – my arse slapping sounds that My Kap likes to hear so much have been confined to Abu Dhabi for the last few days ;)
[QUOTE=Piper1] I looked around and she was the ugliest girl I've ever seen. Obese, wearing a halter top, her stomach hanging over her mis-matching yellow mini-skirt, a hag of a face with clown make-up, and straggly messy hair. Despite my protests that I didn't want company, she kept persisting and wouldn't stop caressing me.
She really was a freak show. The girls were laughing at her as she hobbled around unsteadily on her high-heels. She clearly has problems.[/QUOTE]
But Piper..I know you like to walk on the wild side my friend. We have been mongering together so I could share the stories with the CR mongers but am a good mate and don’t tell stories ;)
[QUOTE=Piper1]Finally made it home to Dubai (38 hours travel door to door). Time to reminisce about the girls.
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Trust you left all the toys and clothes behind….don’t want the housegirl finding that stash my friend
Good to know you are back and see you in Dubai soon or come my way as N is asking about you…not sure why ;)
WR
[QUOTE=Piper1]Neither of us mentioned money (or even a booking) during the night of chatting, dancing, playing pool and dining. But it was understood after a few hours that we would be going home together for the night. As I paid for the restaurant bill I brought up the issue. She asked for the usual Cien, and I didn't negotiate - we were beyond that point. By then she was relaxed and genuinely having a good night out (so was I), which meant that sex that night was pretty damn good.[/QUOTE]This sounds like a good time; however, I do not pay cien. When in a similar situation, I never mentioned money at all. I simply gave the girl money for her kid when we parted.
One of the joys of travelling is bumping into interesting characters.
I mentioned in an earlier post that I found myself having a drink at News Cafe at Hotel Presidente last week, when a guy struck up a conversation with me. He was a great laugh. He's from New Orleans, and we had a bit in common professionally (plus he'd spent a lot of time in the Middle East, and I'd spent a bit of time in the Big Easy). Great guy, but he never stopped talking. Luckily I don't talk much and I'm a good listener.
We hit Blue Marlin Club together two nights running, and each time he fell in love with a girl within five minutes of arrival. He didn't make it easy for the girls, as he was a non-stop talker, and kept them listening to his tales at the bar for over two hours, while I walked around and checked in with him occasionally.
I remember on the second night, the girl he was ear-bashing for two hours looked at me in frustration, put her hands in prayer and rolled her eyes, nonverbally saying "For godsake I hope he takes me tonight after all the listening I had to do". With a wink and a re-assuring nod, I gave her the "Okay" hand-sign to let her know she'd be okay, as I was sure he'd take her home and she'd be paid for her hard work. As it turned out, I was right.
After the second night, he started his travels onto other parts of Central and South America, but he gave me his business card and made me promise to keep in touch (while repeatedly calling me 'Mofo'). I emailed him yesterday, but before I did, I googled his name. Turns out he's fresh out of jail for possessing Coke, and I'm not talking Cola.
He's not a big guy, but he has an interesting way of dealing with muggers.
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Vittu -- I recently booked a flight on American from SF to San Jose RT in Sept., for $400 plus tax.
Anyone know how last minute tickets on under-filled planes work? Can you get a discount if the plane isnt full and they are willing to make x more dollars to put another butt in a seat that would otherwise go empty?
So I just returned from a last minute 6 day excursion to Costa Rica. Spent the first 2 nights in San Jose and the last 4 in Jaco. Here is a brief summary of my trip. Arrived Monday night around 6pm. Checked in to my hotel, The Morazan, which for those who don't know, is next door to the Del Rey. It's a bit quieter then the Del Rey and rooms during the week run $45 per night. If you say you've stayed there before, they won't charge you to bring girls up to the room. The staff is always helpful(Especially if you throw a little propina at them). Took a walk over to the Del Rey and sat down at the blackjack table. The place was strangely quiet, even for 6 oclock. Turns out there was an immigration raid a couple hours before and they were harrasing and taking out the girls that did not have there papers in order. So I won a couple hundred bucks and decided to check out the massage parlor scene. Went to New Fantasy which was the first time I was there. The pickings were slim, only about 8 girls, but it was 8pm and they close at 9. Chose a Nica named Barbara. She had a beautiful face, but when she got undressed, she had the pouch. That being said, it was the best 45 minute massage I've ever had. When she was done, she finished me off with a BBBJCIM, cleaned me up, and sent me on my merry way. Went back to the hotel, took a little nap, then headed back to the DR. By 10:30, the place was hopping. Overall I would say the quality was pretty good. There were a lot of 6's and 7's, some 5's and under, and probably ten or so 9's and 10's. After visiting Rio on my last trip, I can see such a difference between the hardened DR girls and the Help girls. If you are looking for a GFE, I highly reccomend you fly the extra 6 hours to Rio. It's much harder to come by in Costa Rica. Anyway, I spent my time split between the bar and the blackjack table. I was exhausted from my day of flying and decided to call it a night without bringing home a girl. The going rate at the DR is $100 for an hour. I did some negotiating and got as low as $70 but it has gotten expensive. As on my previous trips, in my opinion, the best looking girls are definitely from Colombia. They know they're hot and command the most money and for the most part are very mechanic. I think my next excursion will be to Cali or Medillen.
Slept in kinda late the next morning. Not that there is much to do during the day in San Jose. The weather was rainy and San Jose isn't that exciting of a city to explore anyway. Went over to the DR around 1 oclock to check out the scene and do a little gambling. It was pretty quiet as expected. about 20 to 30 GDP's. Most low quality but a couple of decent ones. Lost some more money at the tables and split. About 6pm I went to check out Zona Blue. I had been there about two years ago when it had just been reopened but it's totally renovated now. The sitting room in the back has a nice bar and a bunch of couches on the lower level and then a loft above with more couches. They've added 2 hotel rooms upstairs that each have 2 bedrooms. From what I was told, the rooms are pretty nice and run about $200 per night. Sounds expensive but there's a good catch. You can come downstairs anytime and grab a girl for $20 bucks. At that rate I might take 4 at a time. Might have to try this out on my next trip. So I went in to the back room to check out the scene. About 15 girls there, ranging from 4's to 6's. I was very unimpressed after all the good things that I had heard. ZB is the most expensive of the MP's charging $60 for an hour. I saw one really hot spinner coming out of a room, but she was holding her jaw like she had just been in the ring with Tyson in his hay day. Was hoping she would come back but she left and with that, so did I. Took a quick walk by New Fantasty but the quality again was pretty low. I neglected in my first day post to include the price at NF. $40 house fee for the hour plus a $10 tip for Barbara. Around 9 pm, headed over to the DR for the festivities. The place was jumping with lots of girls. Again ranging from 2's to 10's. I saw 10 or so absolute beauties. Split my time between the bar and the tables and donated a substantial chunk of change to the BJ table. Met a lot of interesting guys at the bar and the tables. I still love the faces of the DR virgins. You can spot them a mile away. They have that deer in headlights look. I can remember my first time 5 years ago thinking, I can really have any of these girls. What a country!!! Anyway, was sitting at the Carribean stud poker table with a really cute Colombian girl named Anna. As usual, I was losing a lot of money and Anna suggested the money would be better spent on an hour with her. How could I argue with that. So we went back to my hotel room. Total cost was $100 for about an hour and a half. She had a killer body and I would never have known she had a kid. BBBJ and about 6 other positions. She was very personable, not hard like most Colombian girls I've dealt with. By the time we were finished, it was 3 am and I decided to call it a night. Overall, my impressions of the Del Rey have not changed. If you are looking for a quick lay without a GFE then this is your place. If you are looking for the GFE, then Rio is definitely your place to go. I prefer Rio but the flight and the cost of the flight can be brutal. I'm not sure where to post my day 3 through 6 since Jaco doesn't have it's own thread(Which it should Jackson... Hint, Hint) But I will preview it by saying I slept with the hottest GDP I've ever had in 10 years of mongering pulled straight out of the Beetle Bar.
Hey Gent,
Gimme the skinny on the Sportsman's Lodge. Chica friendly? Cost for company etc. I have stayed at the DR my last 2 visits and am looking for a change. I hear great things but wanted validation on all the info that applies to my mongering habit and whether the location is within walking distance to the Gultch, the DR and MPs, etc.
Thanks in advance!
"T"
I was wondering does the SL have US based ESPN, or is it the regular spanish soccer showing ESPN?
Also are the "new" rooms nice? I have heard the room in the back are also loud?
Does any one know of a " jack of all trades" who has contacts and can introduce me to local girls.
I have been going to cr for almost 4 years adn I am tired of BM / ZB / Oasis etc.
I want a person who can hook me up to a new set of fish swimming in a deferent pool.
For example: some one who knows college girls/wifes need a little extra money that sort of thing.
[QUOTE=Lancer520] The place was jumping with lots of girls. Again ranging from 2's to 10's. I saw 10 or so absolute beauties. Split my time between the bar and the tables and donated a substantial chunk of change to the BJ table. .[/QUOTE]
Is there really a blow job table there!
How much?
Now we know were your head is at 2666. I bet $5.00 it can't count to 21.
[QUOTE=The T Man]Gimme the skinny on the Sportsman's Lodge. Chica friendly? Cost for company etc. "T"[/QUOTE]
Good place, rooms comfortable but no luxurious. Very chica friendly, in fact it's rather obvious the place caters to mongers. Nearly always some chicas hanging around the bar and lounge area, all screened by management. They will start out asking for US$100, but you should be able to get them down to $60. This is for a single encounter; don't know about TLN. Management very friendly and helpful. Will provide transportation to the airport. There is a restaurant that provides decent food, and of course a bar. Cable in every room. No chica fee, even if you bring in someone from outside. Downside: the place is very noisy every night until midnight, with drunken mongers whooping and guffawing in the bar. So if you need to retire early, this is not the place for you. The bar closes at midnight, then it abruptly becomes quiet. I will be going back there in July.
L
Yo Lance,
Sorry I couldnt meet up with you, I thought I sent an email through the system. I stayed in San Jose the whole time, although I had thought of going to Jaco.
Trip Report:
I certainly agree that the Colombian women were great this trip. While I did get two Tica's, one was good and another just o.k. The girls from Columbia I thought were much more fun. I commented to other guys there that the last time I was down at the DR the Colombians seemed a bit more business-focused, so I was very pleasantly surprised to find this new crowd.
The first one I was with was a really cute brunette with fair skin and green eyes, very nice body, and I couldn't believe that she wasn't busy. I scooped her up for drinks and she when it was time to negotiate she accepted an $80 rate and then we went up to my room. First of all, I'm always impressed when one of they girls gets naked and jumps into bed without asking for money up front, always an appreciated attitude. (Seems like the roles reversed this trip, the Tica's to me seemed to ask for the money up front first, more so than the Columbians).
Another noteworthy Columbian girl was a tall brunette, very beautiful, and a popular choice. I heard from a guy that her starting price was $120, and then adding on if she left to another hotel. My last night I finally caught here when she was free, had several drinks, and we went upstairs for a $100. She was a lot of fun, and also spent time after for a massage, very nice ending session to a relaxing week.
Keg
Hi All,
I'm going on a business trip to San Jose and will only have 3 days by myself to explore and find some ladies to have fun with. This is my first time to Costa Rica so I'm looking for some advice on how to hook up, quickly, with some ladies for two some or three some when I'm there. Any advice anyone. Don't want to pay much more that I'm suppose to. Thanks in advance.
Resvao2,
Spend just 30 minutes or so actually reading this forum's posts, and your questions will be answered. With just a little homework and effort, you can ask more specific questions and board members will likely be happy to help you out.
[QUOTE=Mr Jetsetter]Resvao2,
Spend just 30 minutes or so actually reading this forum's posts...[/QUOTE]Or spend 20 minutes in Hotel Del Ray's Blue Marlin Bar. All your questions will be answered. With a smile.
I would like to reserve a room for a night and need to call them. If anyone has a phone numbert for them please help us out.
[url]http://www.hotelzonablue.com[/url] That website needs a lot of work but does have lots of pictures of the various rooms (too bad it doesn't have any chica pics). You can also try this e-mail [email]hotelzonablue@gmail.com[/email] or try calling 506-257-8624
[QUOTE=Resvao2]Hi All,
I'm going on a business trip to San Jose and will only have 3 days by myself to explore and find some ladies to have fun with. This is my first time to Costa Rica so I'm looking for some advice on how to hook up, quickly, with some ladies for two some or three some when I'm there. Any advice anyone. Don't want to pay much more that I'm suppose to. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]
Try Zona Blue walk in pick as many as you want (there are usually 20) pay $42 each, go down the street to New Fantasy do the same, go to Oasis pay 20 each for as many as you like, go to 747 or Cha Cha, Jet Set, Pensiones pay 7,000 colones each for as many as you want later go to Pantera Rose, Monaco or others pay 50 dollars each for as many as you like even later go to Molino Rojo or Del Ray or Key Largo and pay from $40 to 100 each
Next day start at Veronicas, Kama Sportsmen Lodge and do the same for the same price or try Bar Idem for $50 there are enough places to go for 3 or 4 days and never repeat.
[QUOTE=Resvao2]Hi All,
I'm going on a business trip to San Jose and will only have 3 days by myself to explore and find some ladies to have fun with. This is my first time to Costa Rica so I'm looking for some advice on how to hook up, quickly, with some ladies for two some or three some when I'm there. Any advice anyone. Don't want to pay much more that I'm suppose to. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Thunderpants gave some great advice. The jist of it is that any one of the many MP's is probably your best bet. I would add a couple of points.
Hitting some place like the Del Rey or the Key Largo is not a bad place to go however the "problem" is that you'll have to take them back to your room. Normally this would not really be much of a problem at all. The reason it might be a problem in your case is that a) you basically don't know the girls [b]AND[/b] b) you have more than one. If either of those were NOT the case, I would say no problem. But, IMHE, it gets exponentially harder to keep an eye on a chica, the more there are. It is far too easy for one chica to stick her hand into your pants pocket on the floor or go through your drawers or suitcase while you are otherwise distracted by the other chica. This would be SOMEWHAT less the case if it was a chica you had some history with and could "trust" to some degree, but probably could not be the case on a first-timer trip such as yours. First time around, I'd personally save the multi-girl sessions for the MP's which are better geared for that sort of thing and maybe look forward to a more private multi-girl session back at your room on a later trip. Of course, that doesn't mean you still can't go for some wonderful one on one sessions with the DR or KL chicas this trip. Also its a very good idea to have your stuff well-locked up no matter how many chicas you bring back to your room or how well you think you know them.
My second point is on how to pick out multiple chicas, which is not as straightforward as you might think. You may already have learned this from your multi-girl experiences elsewhere as it probably applies just as much in other places, but rather than simply pick out your 2-3 top picks and throwing them all together it is usually a better idea to make your first pick [b]and let her decide on the other girl[/b]. First find out if your first top pick is even amenable to multi-girl sessions (some won't do them, some will but will only go 2 on 1 but not on each other and some you'll have to pry the girls apart). It might turn out that if your first picks reaction is only luke warm that you'd be better off going with your 2nd or 3rd pick. In other words, always do your prequalifying "interview" and don't be afraid to be specific about what you want and expect. Then, when you find a likely candidate, let her choose the second girl. Of course, you still have veto power. Most of these MP's don't have that many chicas. You may find what you want but you might not. Don't be afraid to walk out and check out another MP. You can always head back if you reconsider. Assuming her friend is not a real bow-wow, this will probably lead to a better time even if her firend is not as dropdead gorgeous as the one you might have picked since the 2 girls will be more likely to be relaxed and into each other (as well as you).
Isn't the $42 rate for CRT members only?
[QUOTE=ThunderPants]Try Zona Blue walk in pick as many as you want (there are usually 20) pay $42 each, go down the street to New Fantasy do the same, go to Oasis pay 20 each for as many as you like, go to 747 or Cha Cha, Jet Set, Pensiones pay 7,000 colones each for as many as you want later go to Pantera Rose, Monaco or others pay 50 dollars each for as many as you like even later go to Molino Rojo or Del Ray or Key Largo and pay from $40 to 100 each
Next day start at Veronicas, Kama Sportsmen Lodge and do the same for the same price or try Bar Idem for $50 there are enough places to go for 3 or 4 days and never repeat.[/QUOTE]
One or the other for me in a few weeks. I'm finding it's a hard decision to make. Leaning toward Philippines. I wonder why there don't seem to be any CR cam girls. Phils girls OWN that market.
[QUOTE=Kingfish1]I was wondering does the SL have US based ESPN, or is it the regular spanish soccer showing ESPN?
Also are the "new" rooms nice? I have heard the room in the back are also loud?
Does any one know of a " jack of all trades" who has contacts and can introduce me to local girls.
I have been going to cr for almost 4 years adn I am tired of BM / ZB / Oasis etc.
I want a person who can hook me up to a new set of fish swimming in a deferent pool.
For example: some one who knows college girls/wifes need a little extra money that sort of thing.[/QUOTE]
SL is perfect for you.
Sat tv and Bill will put on any game you want.
Nice girls in the am and pm.
Enjoy.
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[QUOTE=World Travel 69]Guys, I copied most of your posts. But it is missing so much. I am not sure on a lot of places. Are they clubs or Massage or something else? Also missing lots of Prices.
And I am not sure which are Gringo Bars and which are Tico bars?
Is it safe to go into Tico bars?[/QUOTE]I'll try to get to a PM that addresses many of your places 1 by 1. But I'll answer some of your general questions here. You also might want to join CRT or at least check out their forum and do a search for RBC's (aka as Brandon here at ISG) MP List, which largely has already done what you're trying to do here and has most of the prices that you're missing.
The line between clubs, bars and MP's can get kinda blurry sometimes. For example, IDEM is a bar with on-premises action like a MP. So are a lot of other bars and nightclubs. In many ways it may be better to divide your list that way - take-out vs. on-site.
To the extent you have prices, that is a pretty good indication whether the place in question caters to primarily ticos or gringos. In general, places with prices in the 18-20K per hour range such as NF, ZB, IDEM etc. are really focused more at gringos (or a few rich ticos)while places with prices in the 10-12 range (or lower) get more locals (or a few more adventurous and savvy gringos).
Is it safe to go INTO tico bars? In general, I'd say so although it probably helps if you speak some spanish as much fewer people there will speak any english. The bigger question is whether it is safe to come OUT of those bars because a) you're more likely to be overly inebriated than you were going in and b) they tend to be in dicier areas. Always take cabs if drunk at night or even if you aren't if you are in an area that you are unsure of.
That is the best list for Costa Rica, that I have seen in the past five years.
Key Largo runs about $40 to $80 for short time.
Del Rey runs about $60 to $100 for short time.
Short time is the norm at both of the above. A hottie from the Del Rey (the 8's to 10's, mostly from Colombia) will typically charge $250 to $350 for overnight, maybe less if she likes you.
I don't think there are any rooms downstairs at Idem. The price is at least 21,000 colones.
Josephine's is now a gay bar; I think I recall seeing an advertisement for male strippers the last time I walked by it. You'll want to delete it from your list.
Zona Blue for an hour charges 21,000 colones for CRT and 24,000 colones for non-CRT.
Tiny, of course you're correct that those $100 rates are just asking prices but I think you still err too much on the high side. Unless you don't have any negotiating skills at all the final rate one pays should normally be much closer to the bootm end of the ranges you provided than to the top. And the top colombiana hotties may be asking $250-350 per night but I doubt many but the most wet behind the ears newbie monger is paying. The reason they might ask that rate is because they'd much rather be nailing the suckers for $100/hr and wrapping up after the guy comes within 20 minutes of getting back to the room and undressed so they can head right back to the bar and do it again with some other sucker. It is not unusual for the more level headed chicas (in the 7-8 range) instead of holding out for $100/hr (which might not ever happen) to settle on $100 for 2-3 hours or perhaps a little more for all night, particularly if it is a little later in the evening and they don't plan on heading back to the bar any way. Or they may get their $100 but only afyer hours at the bar when they could have easily done 2-3 one hour sessions for $60 a pop. Besides, many are just happy for 1-2 sessions per day to make their nut and so you can often bargain more for time than for price.
Re: IDEM there is definitely a downstairs room. What you're paying extra for is the A/C (the ones upstairs only have fans).
I hadn't heard that about Josephines but I never go there anyway. Keep in mind that an ad for male strippers doesn't necessarily mean they don't still have chicas. It MIGHT be just a one night a week thing to bring in some extra business. Also, keep in mind that Kamur's has male strippers too - DOWNSTAIRS. Upstairs they always have some of the hottest chicas around.
Good point about Zona Blue. Without the CRT card, it is kinda pricey. With the card, it is many guys favorite place to go.
We could nitpick the list in post after post. There are actually MANY errors in it. Keep in mind his list is just a compilation from other 2nd hand sources. Despite its imperfections, I think it is a really good start and World should be commended for his efforts at putting it together. Rather than publicly tear it apart and take up more space here, why don't we all just send our comments to World, like he requested, and I'm sure he'll edit the list and make the corrections. You just might want to hold off for a little while. I've already sent about 3-4 PM's loaded with corrections and additional info.
Prolijo, irregardless of the strippers, Josephines is gay, unless things have changed in the last few weeks. WT69 should strike it from his list, else some of our fellow mongers may be in for a nasty surprise. We could argue all day about prices, and neither of us would necessarily be right or wrong. I've pulled women for as little as $25 from Key Largo and $50 from Del Rey, and am sure you've done better still. Both stayed for a couple of hours BTW. I'm sure you've run across some that wouldn't budge from $100. I have done as you suggested, and will ask for 2 hours if a "7" or "8" asks for $100. I've had good luck with this if the BM isn't particularly busy and if there's a little chemistry. That doesn't work so well with the real hotties though, especially around 9:00 PM to midnight. If a hottie doesn't bring up price, I probably won't either. Then I'll leave $100 close to her purse at the end. I think I've gotten more time and better service this way. I let her know I'm in Costa Rica for business a lot, want to repeat if there's chemistry, and get her phone number. My Spanish is pretty good, and I try to treat her like a date instead of a hooker. That approach has backfired on me with a couple of the sharks though -- she's out the door in 30 minutes and thinks she deserves a tip over the standard cien. I don't think the approach would work very well with a "5" or a "6" either -- she may think she's owed $100, so better to get the price straight up front.
I didn't intend to criticize WT69's efforts, just to point out a few inaccuracies. I think when you and others get finished with your comments, this is going to be valuable, and hope the administrator will create a unique thread for it so it won't get buried.
Thanks for the IDEM info. Next time I'm getting A/C.
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This is a great list. First time poster planning my cherry run to CR July 18th. This list will be very helpful.
I had a newbie question: Has anyone created a map that lists these places? I'm searching but haven't found one. Anyone know of one they can point in my direction?
Mnpnu, Go to following site and click on "Don Gordo's Map of San Jose."
[url]http://www.dongordo.com/[/url]
[QUOTE=Tiny 12]Mnpnu, Go to following site and click on "Don Gordo's Map of San Jose."
[url]http://www.dongordo.com/[/url][/QUOTE]Awesome,
Thanks Tiny
The map on CRT is superior, but I think you have to be a paying member to access it. I am an enormous fan of the ISG, but because CRT focuses solely on Costa Rica, it is simply a better resource. I am hitting San Jose this week and plan to post my experiences here. Maybe myself and others can help the ISG Costa Rica board catch up in the near future.
The List has been moved to it's own Thread.
It still needs work.
Are there any Brothels?
[quote=fastfishracer]a local taxi cab driver is your best bet. vicodin etc, the farmacia usually wont sell to gringos.[/quote]
i've always had the policy of taking 2 tylenol with my dose of 25-50mg of viagra, for recreational purposes. the tylenol heads off the headache.
"experiment to find the lowest dose possible that works for you", is what my doctor told me. so i find that for me, 25-50mg is optimal. actually 33mg is my usual dose. i buy the 100mg tabs and cut them in 1/3's with a pill cutter.
also, i was told "if you take viagra with a little lemon or grapefruit juice, it gets into your system faster". others have said not to do this, but i'm not sure why. it works for me.
i have not tried cyalis. my doctor says "if viagra works well for you, then stay with it." one thing is that viagra also gives me a bit of a euphoria type high, as well as make me able to screw all night long! i like it.
Anyone know a girl by the name of Sandra who worked the DR.
Very pretty and cums like a volcano?
the streetwalkers in Colombia are better than most of the talent at the DR, Fantasies and Zona Blue combined. These girls definitely need to be put on diets and sent to the gym. Viva Colombia. Unfortunately I have to spend two weeks here. If anyone thinks they can change my mind. Then feel free. I am open.
Your coments are greatly appreciated, but not necessaryl
I have been in CR four or maybe it is five times over the last 15 years. The times have changed. It was cheaper a long time ago. As it was all countries, even the U.S.
In Reno, Nevada is cost $30. to get laid, but that is in the past.
But please tell us about a better place for all of us to get laid cheaper?
Please!
I have been to 70 countries that I can think of, that might be as the same or maybe slightly better once you visit them. At this point in life, I feel the safest is Argentina, Chile, Peru, Colombia, Chile, Vietnam, Australia, New Zealand and Thailand, and Maybe Bali, but .... Oh yes Japan is safe, but... will you get laid?
So what do you think? Traveled Much?
I am open for lessons.
Tell us which is the BEST?
[QUOTE=Arteworks1]the streetwalkers in Colombia are better than most of the talent at the DR, Fantasies and Zona Blue combined. These girls definitely need to be put on diets and sent to the gym. Viva Colombia. Unfortunately I have to spend two weeks here. If anyone thinks they can change my mind. Then feel free. I am open.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Arteworks1]I would like to reserve a room for a night and need to call them. If anyone has a phone numbert for them please help us out.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Arteworks1]By the way how can I book a suite there?
Is it 4200/day and $20/chica?
I'll be there from the 23rd until the 7th of July.
Art[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Arteworks1]the streetwalkers in Colombia are better than most of the talent at the DR, Fantasies and Zona Blue combined. These girls definitely need to be put on diets and sent to the gym. Viva Colombia. Unfortunately I have to spend two weeks here. If anyone thinks they can change my mind. Then feel free. I am open.[/QUOTE]I am always very welcoming to newbies, as I remember when I was one.
You have contributed a total of eight posts on ISG, two of them asking simple questions that you can look up easily if you RTFF.
Then your latest post gratuitously attacks chicas in CR for no discernible reason.
I am sure it made you feel like the big man since you are so much smarter and more knowledgeable than the others here who read the CR thread, right?
As you stated, it is extremely unfortunate that you have to spend two weeks in San Jose. But the solution is very simple: don't bother to get laid.
Just beat yourself off in your room, man. Problem solved.
You are on ignore, buddy.
DB
[QUOTE=World Travel 69]But please tell us about a better place for all of us to get laid cheaper?
Please!
[/QUOTE]
Easy: El Salvador, Nicaragua, Ecuador, Paraguay, Bolivia, Uruguay, Cuba (and that's just Latin America!).
L
Good list.
On my last visit a few weeks ago I found a new novia (at least for the time being...) She's a gorgeous 30 y/o, middle class gal that speaks zero English, which has been challenging for me. Anyway, after our first date I asked if she wanted to go to a bar or nightclub for some vino. [BTW....does "nightclub" mean "strip joint" in CR???]
She picked Lipstick three nights in a row. Good points: very gringo friendly (of course) with nice little enclaves with couches which were perfect for more private groping & cuddling. We could see the stage well but were pretty much out of view of most of the customers. Drinks are high - about like Atlantis - 2 drinks apiece was $40US. Interestingly one day 5 drinks were $40 and the next day 6 drinks were $60. Not cheap but well worth it in my case.
On the down side, IMHO most of the gals were a little sub-prime. It is totally nude but there's also a lot of dead time (again it didn't affect me).
Another night we headed to Josephines (thankfully the doorman told us it was now gay) and then on to Atlantis. We left Atlantis & returned to Lipstick because Atlantas was clearly set up for men only. There was only one couch & it was in a well-lighted walkway. No thanks, Lipstick was just fine. Pricing at Atlantis was $20 each for 2 drinks.
/Dan D.
[QUOTE=World Travel 69]OK guys check them again.
PM more changes.
Thanks to Prolijo and the rest of you.
[b]Bars/Clubs[/b]
4. Lipstick, No information yet. On the corner of Calle Central and Avenida 7 across the street from the Bogarts City show bar.
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[QUOTE=Dan D Dick][BTW....does "nightclub" mean "strip joint" in CR???][/QUOTE]In Costa Rica "nightclub" means "strip club". If you want to go to a nightspot other than a strip joint, say you want to go to a bar or disco.
Am I missing something here? Why would you go out on a date with a woman and take her to a strip joint, 3 nights in a row no less, and be gouged for drinks? Isn't that like bringing takeout food to a banquet? Sorry, I don't get it.
L
....it was simply entertainment with a gal I like very much that's got the finest ass in town & gives me great sex. While watching the [inferior] dancers I was playing with ass & titties & making out in a quiet corner while we were enjoying our drinks. Hell of a lot more fun than most dates!
BTW - she picked the place, not me. Bottom line: $40-60 for 3 hours of fun. Good value IMO.
/Dan D.
[QUOTE=Lorenzo]Am I missing something here? Why would you go out on a date with a woman and take her to a strip joint, 3 nights in a row no less, and be gouged for drinks? Isn't that like bringing takeout food to a banquet? Sorry, I don't get it.
L[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Thick Cane]In Costa Rica "nightclub" means "strip club". If you want to go to a nightspot other than a strip joint, say you want to go to a bar or disco.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the confirmation.
Sometimes I'm a little slow.
Dan D.
Is she your gf Dan?
You were not giving her extra $$$$ on the side like in the p4p world this site is for? Do you have any pics of this best ass in the world lady you speak so highly of?
....I've got pics. And I do admit the "finest ass in town" comment might have been a bit biased.... And no, I didn't give her any money though I certainly spent some money on her (restaurants, baby doll outfits, lingerie, jeans, etc). What I spent was less than what my wing man was spending at the HDR for ST lovin'.
I guess my point is that GFE is readily avialable in SJO even for an old dog like me - hell she's 25 years my junior & her mother approves! My advantage over most is that I travel a lot for a living (I'm semi-retired) and am able to "stop by" San Jose once a month or more at essentially no cost to me.
/Dan D.
My dos colones? Why Lipstixx? All you said was BAR or nightclub. What about old nightspot zones like El Pueblo or Calle Amargura (although those areas tend to have a much younger crowd than either of you)? Or, if those don't work, El Cuartel, Disco Castro, Salsa 54, Club Vertigo, Jazz Cafe, just to name a few more "normal" places?
Any chica that would come up with someplace like Lipstixx on her own (you said "she picked the place, not me"), let alone go in there with you, has to be at least a semi-pro if not full-time pro and not just some middle class girl like you made out. Tica girls of class just don't want to risk even being seen going in to such places let alone hanging out in one. Ticas, like most latinas, also tend to be very jealous. They may understand that "todos hombres estan perros" and chase other chicas but they're not about to actually encourage it themselves by taking any guy they're really interested in to stripjoint. You call her middle class, but she doesn't speak any english. Is she educated? Where does she say she makes her money?
Maybe you haven't given her any money YET (I have no idea how extensive your gift-giving has been or how much your wingman was paying back at the HDR where for many "cien" rules), but I see an RFM somewhere in your future if you keep going out with her. Frankly, it wouldn't surprise me if she already has made a little money off your dates only indirectly as kickbacks from Lipstixx for steering you in there 3 nights in a row. Just out of curiosity, did she seem to know anybody in there.
Or maybe she wasn't getting any kickbacks, then why Lipstixx? Because she likes to see you spend a lot of money taking her out? Believe me, no tica would choose to spend that type of money if it were her own. $40-60 for 3 hours of just making out may seem like a good deal to you, but you shouldn't have to take your girl to am essentially dead place with "sub-prime" dancers and overpriced drinks to do that. You could take her someplace where you could both have fun doing some real "dirty dancing" (with probably a fair amount of making out at the tables between dance sets as well) then take her back to your place for a helluva lot more than making out (which I certainly hope you also did anyway). For some chicas (at least the semi-pro types) guys spending a lot of money on them is an even more powerful aphrodisiac than taking them out dancing (which works more often for the genuine non-pros).
I don't mean to be entirely negative about your post. I agree that GFE is available in SJ even for old dogs like ourselves. How "readily" I'm not so sure. That last fact about being able to visit every month was one critical factor you had previously left out. And, in the case of your "novia", I strongly suspect that GF[b]F[/b]E might be a better description - [u][b]G[/b][/u]irl[u][b]F[/b][/u]riend [b][u]F[/u]antasy [u]E[/u][/b]xperience. Still who really cares as long as it at least feels like a real GFE and you're ready and able to turn down any RFM that turns up when the fantasy inevitably blows up.
[QUOTE=Prolijo]They may understand that "todos hombres estan perros".................................
I see an RFM somewhere in your future if you keep going out with her.[/QUOTE]
1) What is RFM? Not on the abbreviation list.
2) In this case, you should use "son," not "estan." (The "is" of identity.) :)
L
"Request for Money" often comes in a phone call or e-mail to you while you're back home and not really getting anything for it (assuming you took the risk of giving her your contact info) with all the usual rationales but sometimes also outlandish ones ("mi mama es enfirmado", "mi papa es en el carcel", "el perro comió mi homework") and lots of reassuring "mi amors" and "mi corazons". If you already know she's a pro it might be how much she hates working at the BM or whereever and how if you wire her the money she won't have to work there anymore, even though she really will whenever you're not around and is probably e-mailing 1-2 other gringo sucker "novios" with the same scam.
BTW, I know my spanish is pretty bad and I'd like it to get better, but at least it gets me around. thanks for the correction.
[QUOTE=Prolijo]"mi mama es enfirmado", "mi papa es en el carcel",[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the clarification on RFM. I have received a few of them. Of course any RFM should be ignored unless you have an ongoing relationship with a chica, in which case it's a matter of discretion. There must be a plethora of sick "mamas" and "abuelitas" throughout Latin America.
At the risk of sounding pedantic, in the above two sentences I quoted, you should use "esta" (sorry, my computer doesn't do accent marks) because they are temporary situations. Remember an oversimplified rule of thumb: permanent=ser; temporary=estar. Exception: place names, e.g., "San Jose esta en Costa Rica." This may sound trivial to us, but misusing these two verbs will be grating to a native speaker. (Not that it would keep you from getting laid, but using correct grammar may add to your charm.) Happy mongering,
Lorenzo
Trip number 5 turned out to be by far the best yet, and I’m already chomping at the bit to go back. Alas, it looks like I will have to wait until early December. I’ve somehow managed a three-week trip to Peru and a 10-day, sex-drenched jaunt to San Jose all in the last three months, and this has definitely put a strain on this working boy’s budget (at 51, I love to refer to myself as a working boy).
A brief, categorized summary:
ZONA BLUE
By far the best time I have ever had there. I decided to concentrate on two-girl sessions, and it really paid off. There was a definite synergy involved with every session, as if the ladies were feeding off each other (sometimes, literally) and competing to see who could show me the best time. I enjoyed two sessions with Vanessa and Naomi, one with Pamela and Naomi, one with Pamela and Vanessa, one with Pamela and Andrea (smoking hot), and another with Andrea and Vanessa. Vanessa was the only lady I’d been with before (4 or 5 times), and I was absolutely stunned by the improvement in her energy, attitude and demeanor. I mean enthusiastic DFK and BBBJs and everything else, other than a reluctance to be photographed below the face. Pamela was absolutely outstanding – an incredible combination of hype (e.g., all the praise and acclaim on this board) AND substance. I mean, she REALLY delivered. What a great personality, accompanied by limitless energy and enthusiasm, and she’s a very attractive, shapely lady to boot. I’ll never forget taking photos of Naomi while Pamela was demonstrating her incredible oral skills. Ditto for Naomi. I thought she was an absolute doll. She went out of her way to treat me right, and she definitely has a sense of humor, enjoying playing the tease from time to time and hurling friendly little insults here and there.
While these ladies were truly magnificent, the ZB highpoint for me was getting down with Andrea, the newby with the super model looks and a super personality. Besides the two doubles with Andrea, I also hooked up with her for two one-on-one sessions, and they were fabulous. I feel EXTREMELY lucky I was able to spend a total of 4 hours with her before the inevitable word gets out. See my upcoming posts in the photo section for an idea of what I’m talking about. BTW, She used three different names while I was in town: Andrea, Andria, and Adrianna!
In sum, 4 magnificent ladies. I tipped them 10,000 colones apiece for every session, for absolutely exceptional service.
SPORTSMENS
I’ve stayed there every trip, and I still love the place. There seemed to be more available women this trip than any time in the past. I hooked up with Andrea on three separate occasions (NOT the ZB Andrea), a blond hottie with a smoking body (petite, lovely breasts) who speaks pretty good English and is obviously intelligent. She first quoted me $100, and we settled on $80. Other than CBJs, she was pretty fabulous (I guess ZB got me spoiled in this regard). I also hooked up a couple of times with Wanda, 26, a lovely, intelligent lady who looks a little better with her clothes on, but who is sexy and totally worthwhile nonetheless. I also sessioned a couple of times with Marta, a very slender, hot blond familiar to many CRT members. In truth, I enjoyed her company but was not overly impressed. She seemed to be in a slight hurry both times after spending what seemed like an eternity getting ready in the bathroom behind a closed door. Her performance was somewhat mechanical, and her CBJs were uninspiring. Oh well, a cute girl with a lovely behind and a nice smile, rating a C+ in my book. She asked for $100 as well, settling for $80. While I normally shoot for $60 short-time sessions, I really don’t mind paying $80, figuring that includes tip and potential taxi fare!
HOLD’EM AT THE CLARION
As stated, the weekly Sunday Hold’em tourney has moved from the SL to the Clarion, with Bktuna still supervising. They also have a nice daily no-limit game with $1 and $2 blinds. I played 5 sessions there my last week in town and encountered a mostly full table every time, yet there was always one open seat, and I never had to wait. I found the dealers to be professional and the place well-managed. I once played a lot of limit poker in Nevada, yet this was my first exposure to no-limit action, and I really enjoyed myself.
Yet another reason to return!
Your comments are valid. My gal lives with her Mom, her father died 5 years ago. I've been to her home (lower class by US standards, middle by L.A. standards, IMO). She dresses nice. I don't know that she was aware of what I spent at Lipstick.
We went back twice simply because we had a good time. On the last time we tried Josephines first (**BAD** choice) then Atlantis (also a poor choice) before falling back to Lipstick. I simply didn't know where else to go. She wasn't keen on El Pueblo - too many fights & drugs she said. And the times before I had been there it seemed to be a much younger, louder crowd.
Granted, I've only got a week under my belt with her. If the Requests of dollares comes through I'll be surprised but I'll own up to it. I'll take your list and try it in two weeks. BTW - which are close to the airport (we'll be at the Marriott on points)?
Thanks.
/Dan D.
[QUOTE=Dan D Dick]We went back twice simply because we had a good time. On the last time we tried Josephines first (**BAD** choice) then Atlantis (also a poor choice) before falling back to Lipstick. I simply didn't know where else to go. She wasn't keen on El Pueblo - too many fights & drugs she said. And the times before I had been there it seemed to be a much younger, louder crowd.[/QUOTE]Try El Cuartel on Monday nights. They have live music then, and the place gets jam-packed. I like it there on Mondays myself.
If you're out by the airport and you want to try another stripclub you should check out D'Pelufos. They have another club in San Pedro that is very good but I don't know of anyone that has been to the one in Alajuela. If you go to that one, be sure to give us a report. You also can find some nice mature more upscale nightclubs or discos or whatever you want to call them (by which I don't mean stripclubs) in the Escazu area, but to be honest I can't really tell you anything about them.
Your GF probably has El Pueblo pegged pretty good. You might have noticed, I sort of similarly qualified my comments about that place and Calle Amargura in my earlier post. You get a lot of late teens early 20's kids at El P w/under 18 kids hanging and parading outside (and I'm sure often sneaking into the clubs, so be careful). and it can definitely get rowdy. Calle Amargura in San Pedro near UCR is more college-age (ie also young) and has also had problems but police have cracked way down on a lot of that. For a more mature and civilized night spot, I really like the Jazz Cafe just a couple of blocks past Calle Amargura. No dancing there but some really good music. El Cuartel, back towards downtown, gets a little more mature crowd of twenty and thirty somethings in a rambunctious meat market atmosphere (but no violence). And for serious salsa dancing try Salsa 54. Club Vertigo is also young but tightly managed with the best sound and light system in SJ and techno music that personally I can't take for any great length of time.
As for your stripclub choices, I don't think any of them are that great but you could have gone to far worse ones. You might want to try the Pantera Rosa on the south end of town the next time you go out or if its a sunday night go to D'Pelufos in San Pedro for their special floor show.
I arrived at the Blue Marlin about 3 PM and found it hopping, regardless of the fact that the taxista warned me it would be dead.
The inital stroll proved that this remains a target rich environment. If you can't find someone you like here, you're just not a red-blooded American male.
The girl who caught my eye was engaged in conversation with an older fellow, and it looked like they were about go off together. Instead, their conversation ended and I was able to call her over.
Leilany was pleasant and sweet, and looked younger than the 25 years she claimed. I asked her why her negotiations with the other fellow broke down. She told me he was a "mentiroso" (liar) and said he wouldn't pay her "cien" ($100).
So I used that opening to ask her how much she had made so far today (although it was still early) and the answer was zero.
I asked her how much she made last night, and the answer was zero.
Hmmm, sometimes some colones are better than no colones. She told me she didn't understand.
"Instead of sitting her your entire shift without earning anything, wouldn't it make sense to accept my price and know that you already have earned some money for the day? Wouldn't that feel good while you are working the rest of the night?
For example, I told her that I only pay 20,000 colones. Or maybe 25,000 for a girl who is really special. One girl is going to earn that that this afternoon. Maybe it is you, maybe it is another chica.
I think you are really special, so for you, I will pay 25,000. Okay?
"Okay." She didn't hesitate to agree.
Many chicas can't absorb an economics lesson, but thankfully Leilany did.
So when someone reports that none of the girls at Blue Marlin will budge off cien, take it for what it is. It's just bullshit.
True, there are some who won't. And if you just shoot a lowball offer without preparing her for it, you stand a good chance of rejection.
But use a little psychology on the girls and you are bound to find some hottie who will come back with you for a lot less than cien.
We had a great two hour session with mutual massages, DFK, the Pocket Rocket, and 69, numerous positions, etc.
I wouldn't hesitate to recommend Leilany, who you will find at the Blue Marlin most days from 3-11.
You can check out more pics on the photo thread:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=617488&postcount=1040[/url]
DB
Having had a great experience with Leilany in the afternoon, tonight I decided to go for some eye candy. I wanted to take someone home from the top of the pyramid at the Blue Marlin.
By 8 PM the place was packed with no shortage of 9s and 10s.
I already knew that I was jonesing for one with extremely long, jet black hair, when Andrea happened by. I watched her for a while and could see that she thought pretty highly of herself.
Nonetheless, I made my acquaintance, exchanged some small talk, and eventually got down to business. I balked at her asking price of "cien," but she would not come down. I wished her the best of luck and we parted ways.
Several hours later, and feeling the urge to act, I ran across Andrea again.
"Pienso" I said.
"Piensa?" she asked.
"Nos vamos" I explained.
"Que bueno" she replied, pleased I had agreed to her terms.
Andrea is a bit of a prima donna, and deservedly so, but she is a nice girl and I found it easy enough to break down her initial distance. While there is no doubt that she has a pro's attitude, she is not hardened, and proved to be pleasant and fun to be with.
She gave good service and is someone I will definite can repeat with.
Andrea is my idea of a Latin Barbie doll, with her killer abs and long beautiful hair. She's not really photogenic, and I submit that she is much better looking in person than these photos reveal. No way do they properly capture her flirtateous eyes.
You can find additional pics of Andrea posted in the photo thread:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=617520&postcount=1041[/url]
DB
i wandered around today checking out some old haunts. unfortunately, they came up lacking in what i was looking for.
first stop was at zona blue. since they changed the set up a couple years ago it has lost its appeal to me. the bar area is so small, with the girls sitting along the wall and the guys having five seats at the bar or being forced to stand. it feels ike a high school dance with the girls and guys across the room from each other. what a ridiculous setup.
the manager should instruct the girls not to all sit next to each other. leave some seats open for the customers. maybe a few should hang out upstairs, giving the men a reason to walk around a bit.
but the biggest problem is that the chicas here just aren't attractive. maybe three looked doable. i have no idea how the rest ever gain any business.
next stop was new fantasy. again, the whole setup is not conducive to finding someone interesting, at least for me. one looks through a smoke-glassed window to peer into a room full of chicas sitting down. you can't see them very well through the window, and certainly can't make out much about there bodies, especially their asses.
moreover, if one cares at all about a chica's personality or whether or not she might be friendly, it is impossible to gain that information through a window. it is just point and click, with less visual clarity than trying to pick out a partner from website or an ad in the back of a tabloid. no thanks.
besides they looked like a generic collection of chicas, as none of them stood out as having any special appeal.
finally, it was time to stop by sportsman's lodge. there were only two chicas when i went in for dinner, but maybe 6-8 others came in while i was there. i found two attractive, but didn't bother approaching them.
again, i have never found this to be a particularly target-rich environment. but the food and service were good, and i love that they serve an american breakfast all day long.
okay, i had made a reasonable effort to break out of my routine, and nothing had caught my fancy. in good conscious i could now return to the blue marlin to pick out my treat for the night.
db
You're dead right about New Fantasy man. The set-up is not conducive to conducting business, and when I went there I didn't see any pretty girls. And the set-up at ZB isn't very comfortable, and too many of the girls are sitting on their asses leaving little or no room for clients to sit. I only saw two doable girls when I was there. Pamela and Rachel (no longer there I understand), and I did them both. Now there's that "Andrea" there. So maybe the count still stands at two. It all depends on one's tastes of course.
the talent level wasn't quite as high at the blue marlin on this friday night as it had been the night before. but there was certainly no shortage of hot chicas.
two of the hottest asked me for $150, and wouldn't budge. ridiculous!
one was from colombia and another from panama. interestingly enough, i remember the girl from panama from 1 1/2 years ago. at the time she would not drop her price from $100, so i let her walk. i always kind of regretted not doing her. we will see if i regret letting her go at $150 today.
eventually, i took notice of stacy, who probably has the narrowest waist i have ever seen, at least on a girl who stands 5/6. i am wondering if it is somewhere between 20-22 inches around. at only 48 kilos she is a tiny little thing, but very athletic and muscular.
it turns out that stacy is a full-time dance instructor, and she says she only works at the blue marlin once or twice a month when she needs some extra cash.
this girl was crazy fun! great personality, great sense of humor, we laughed our asses off at the bar before doing the same once she came home with me.
since stacy is a dancer, i put on some shakira and asked her to belly dance. she did not disappoint. she has such a fibrous, toned, supple body that it was a quite thrill watching her ab muscles undulate to the rhythm of the music.
stacy was totally gfe. she was into kissing, touching, foreplay. she said that no man had ever stuck their tongue up her ass before and she was amazed at how good it felt. i told her that shows her that she needs to open her mind up to trying anal, as i think she would love it.
this girl certainly did love the pocket rocket, and said it made her cum three times. she begged me to let her keep it, which is par for the course.
once stacy had achieved, she turned her attention to me. there is no better feeling than the anticipation one has after knowing your girl has just had several orgasms and feels the need to return the favor.
she gave a great bbj, one of the best i have ever had, followed by slow, deep, sensual sex in multiple positions, with absolutely no time constraints. my god, the view of her long torso and narrow waist was incredible when we were in the doggie position. stacy was a fantastic lover!
afterwards we talked about our families and our lives and our loves. she was open book and a fascinating person.
to give you a taste of the discussion, she pointed to her crotch in the nude photo and asked me "why do they call this a camel toe?" i'll let you just imagine how much fun we had as i explained that one to her...
when i felt a bit recuperated, i complimented stacy on her bbj skills, telling her that she is one of the best i've ever had. she actually seemed honored when i requested that she blow me again, and she did not hesitate to make me a happy boy.
after spending most of the night, about 5 am stacy told me that she had to get ready to be at work by seven as they were practicing for a dance contest that is going to be on tv in a few weeks. she gave me one more fabulous killer blow job for the road.
in all this time, we had never discussed price. it was up to me to decide what to pay her.
stacy had spent about 6 hours with me, made me cum three times, and was an absolute delight to be with. i had more belly laughs in my short time with her than i had in the past month combined.
call me a pushover, but i decided stacy was easily worth "cien." so i peeled off 50,000 colones, and a couple thousand more for taxi fare, and told her that i would be calling her again before i leave san jose.
what a sweetheart!
you can look on the photo thread for some more of her pics:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=617811&postcount=1042[/url]
db
Dodger,
What a doll! I'm green (and hard) with envy! I'm assuming she's a tica.
Dodger-is it just me, or do you have a thing for Sandra Bullock? First the girl in the Rio thread (Lucianna), and now Stacey!
Or am I just seeing things?
I have to agree with you somewhat about the ZB, but I dare you to say that on the CRT board. The way they talk about it, you'd think ZB was the greatest thing since sliced bread. I've never understood what the big fuss was about. Sure they've had some pretty good girls, but you can't really fairly compare their chica quality to other MP's charging half as much and even then you'll still find some real hot chicas at other MP's too. And sure if you have a CRT card you get a great discount over their regular rate, but their regular rate is at least 5-6K colones higher than even the next most expensive MP's, so that discounted price is not that much different than anyplace else. In fact, I can't imagine why anyone would go there and pay the full rate. Add to that the fact that many of the best ZB chicas have moved on and the remaining ones, particularly their top ones, have been spoiled by all their starstruck CRT fans and their excessive tipping and ZB is not the deal it was if it ever was.
That said I can't agree about the small bar they've added. Whatever its shortcomings it offers more opportunity for mingling with the chicas than any of the other places. Have you been to IDEM? Talk about highschool dance, the chicas there definitely segregate themselves by lining up along the side wall. And you already mentioned the ridiculous smoky glass window at NF. Actually, at any of these places the amount of interaction before you make your selection is largely left up to the monger. Its not like the BM where half a dozen chicas will have walked up to you and grabbed your balls within minutes of walking in. As for NF, I have a simple solution to the stupid window. Don't use it. Don't be shy, just walk around the wall and take a good look and even step up to a girl and ask her a few questions. If you don't want to ask her a few questios with all the other chicas listening ask her for a tour of the facilities and then ask her your questions while you walk down the hall. If you don't like the answers, say "gracias, but I'd like to try someone else" and walk back with her and pick someone else or say you've changed your mind and say adios
Prolijo, a couple of years ago, the quality of the chicas at Zona Blue was head and shoulders above all the other MPs. IMHO, most of the ladies there at the time were better than all but the very hottest Blue Marlin chicas. I've not been to CR since then, so I cannot speak for now - other than to acknowledge that all of my favorites there have all apparently left the place, and since the place has also become a very expensive hotel, it seems like it's not nearly as good a deal, unless you are capable of going for 4-6 pops in a day.
There is no question that Zona Blue can be decidedly "hit or miss." Yes, this last trip I indeed had a fabulous time there, but I found the pickings to be somewhat lame my two previous trips and didn't session there much. I fully realize it is somewhat expensive compared to MPs that cater more to ticos, and I confess I need to do a better job next trip of exploring these venues. I greatly admire the efforts of vets like Brandon and Prolijo who make the effort to survey the entire SJ scene and likely have great experiences for a lot less money.
Nonetheless, Zona Blue's proximity to the Sportsmens Lodge and the gulch itself is a definite plus for this lazy, over-worked vacationer, and I enjoy smoking a good cigar and hanging there from time to time. IMHO, it is a nice place for multi-girl sessions, as long as the big room with the king-sized bed is available and enthusiastically-delivered BBBJs are standard. Believe me, I don't normally overtip, but the service I received this last trip was truly awe-inspiring, and I rewarded them accordingly. These ladies receive 10,000 colones per hour session, and I was delighted to double their income.
As far as staying in one of their two-bedroom suites, I can understand the logic if you have a wingman sharing expenses and have a desire to get down with five women at a time for the grand price of $100. To each his own...
Our original plan was to spend the night at Bar Idem and then Pantera Rosa.
My friend wanted to stop by the Blue Marlin to kill some time until the others were busy. You should see the red marks on my arm from where he had to twist the hell out of it!
You all know what can happen to the best laid plans of mice and men. I guess we'll have to hit Bar Idem come Monday.
It seemed like every chica I opened up a conversation with tonight was a Colombiana. Maybe I find myself attracted to them.
When I was here in '05 I had some great sessions with some very sweet Colombianas, but times seem to have changed.
These girls were all land sharks. There was no effort whatsoever to provide "buen compania." It was directly to the money, all about "cien," and an unwillingness to even discuss the scope of their services.
"It is just work for me," I heard more than once. As if they had no concern whatsoever whether they do their job well or end up with a satisfied client.
I am sure that not all the Colombianas here are so mercenary, but after being bitten several times I decided to pull out a crucifix and vial of holy water each time I ran across one.
I did find a cute Tica with a gentle spirit so I sat down to join her. Eventually our negotiations stalled when I would not go above 30,000 and she would not take less than 35,000, so I let her walk.
As she did, I got a good look at her little ass for the first time, and decided that I had probably made a mistake letting her go.
Besides, getting her down to 35,000 on a Saturday night at 10 PM when the place was packed with hombres could have been considered a moral victory. Why did I quibble over a lousy 5000 colones?
Oh well, there are lots of chicas in the sea.
But it seemed like with each one something didn't look or feel quite right. I just wasn't getting the vibe that I needed to convince me to pull the trigger.
It was getting late, I was growing horny, and I spotted Andrea, who I had already decided I would do again sometime this trip. Not only was she easily the hottest one in the place in my opinion, but I already knew that she is one who would deliver the goods.
It suddenly occurred to me: Why wait until next week?
When we parted the other night, I had asked that she give me a reference to her hot girlfriends in order to provide an opening to my negotiations. So now as I walked up to greet her, she remembered the script and started singing my praises to a decent looking chica who was standing nearby.
I had to sort of interrupt her to let her know that, ummm, thank you for your efforts, but it is you who I want tonight, Andrea. She looked a little puzzled, reminding me that I told her I was going to do a different chica every day.
That's okay, Andrea. Tonight I want you. I want you again.
So we were off.
The second time can be a charm. She was much more relaxed. She was willing to spend more time, and feeling unrushed, I gave her the full Dodger experience, including an oiled body massage, the "besos negros," and a session with the Pocket Rocket, all as preliminaries to the main event.
Afterwards we got into a discussion about her goals in life, as it was clear to me that she knows exactly what she is doing as she works a man. It is cool to find an intelligent chica with good business sense (as opposed to an all-business attitude).
Andrea knows how to catch a man quickly, treat him well, satisfy him totally, leave him happy, add water and repeat. It is not hard to imagine that she makes far, far more dinero than most chicas at the Bue Marlin. The others there should follow her around and strive to copy her every move.
Again, I don't think these pics do her any justice. I guess she just isn't photogenic, as Andrea is much prettier and hotter in real life.
I think she kept trying to pose for a serious "portrait." When I suggested the Dodger photo she relaxed and had fun with it, so it comes the closest to capturing her true spirit.
DB
[QUOTE=Dodger Bulldog]So when someone reports that none of the girls at Blue Marlin will budge off cien, take it for what it is. It's just bullshit.[/QUOTE]I agree with you. I do not pay cien for anyone. When the girl quotes "cien, " I smile and very respectfully say, in Spanish, that Solamente los gringos paga cien. That is, only the gringos pay cien.
She is very nice.
in many latin countries sunday is not the best day to be a monger.
so i kneeled down, closed my eyes, clasped my hands, and said my prayers.
"dear lord, please allow me to find a lovely young chica with the ass of an angel and the mind of a devil."
i must be living right, because my prayers were answered tonight.
it only took one quick trip around the del rey to i spot my target hanging out by the restrooms. i grabbed a stool in the bar and gave her a couple good, long looks.
soon enough she was standing right next to me fiddling with her purse. seemingly just minding her own business.
ahem, i cleared my throat. then i boldly declared, "hola. buenas noches."
angelina was a spirited little thing. as we made small talk i could see that she was another one all full of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] and vinegar. she was going to be lots of fun.
i got us drinks and took her over to introduce her to my buddy. wishing to be helpful, angelina offered to find him a chica, and proceeded to bring over a columbiana who i had done when i was here during christmas '04.
i remembered her, of course, but i was surprised that she remembered me after all the men she has had. it made my friend a little uncomfortable, so angelina and i separated and went to our own table.
no need to tarry, we struck the deal and headed over to my place.
everything went quite well. this was an experienced chica, to the point that when i pulled out the pocket rocket she asked me to put it on the low speed.
unfortunately, i buy the cheap imitation brand which only has one speed, so she was forced to deal with it.
angelina managed to cope just fine, and afterwards said that it had been too long since she had cum like that.
by now i've learned that whichever position a chica suggests as her favorite is the one she is best at. so after an extended session of 69, i was happy to stand next to the bed and take her doggie style, just as she wished.
following her shower i asked if i could take some more photos. "desnuda?" she asked.
si, por favor.
"okay, claro." but she wanted some time to go do her hair and makeup first. so you will note that she looks a little more polished in those.
i thought she had a cute jacket and it would be a nice touch for her to wear it in the photos.
when i asked her to write down her digits i was pleased that she also wrote her real name, ana lucia. she told me to call her lucia from now on.
she is a lovely girl, inside and out.
db
p.s. you can find a few more pics of her on the photo thread:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=618598&postcount=1044[/url]
[QUOTE=Dodger Bulldog]By now I've learned that whichever position a chica suggests as her favorite is the one she is best at. So after an extended session of 69, I was happy to stand next to the bed and take her doggie style, just as she wished.
Following her shower I asked if I could take some more photos. "Desnuda?" she asked.
Si, por favor.
"Okay, claro." But she wanted some time to go do her hair and makeup first. So you will note that she looks a little more polished in those.
][/QUOTE]You lucky dog. What a Chica! I am drooling.
If I go to CR how would I locate this beauty and how much will she cost?
Would she go with an athletic but old guy (I am 67, but in great shape)?
I speak pretty good Spanish.
[b]Dodger Bulldog[/b] - all round great stuff! I want to thank you for a series of well written and thoroughly entertaining posts, dozens of great pictures of some very beautiful women and thanks also for painting a clear picture of the current SJO scene! :)
I'll be in town (SJO) soon with my "wing-man" board member "Tbird" and after your posts we're looking forward to our trip that much more.
Cheers my friend and thanks for your terrific contributions!
After reading and more importantly "looking" at your posts, I can clearly see a few things. One, San Jose is still a relitively boring place aside from mongering as was evident by the length and detail of your daily reports. Two, By the quantity and quality or all your pictures, you have made the most of my little trick which I shared with you in Guatemala.
Amazing reports, I thank you. It will help me get through a busy summer.
Where did you stay? and what did you pay? I hear the prices at the Presidente have gone through the roof since the remodel.
"the one and only"
[QUOTE=Ford][b]Dodger Bulldog[/b]I'll be in town (SJO) soon with my "wing-man" board member "Tbird" [/QUOTE]Already a new wingman! Hey, I didn't get you thrown out of the Mansion BBQ's!
Going to Costa Rica in a week and I read all the threads but would like just a list of where I should go? How much should I spend and how long in a room for that price for a lovely girl. Might be the first and last time I go so I want it to be done right without felling I'm getting ripped off wherever I go.
Thank you fellas.
Sorry guys.
No more reports or photos until after I leave CR. Maybe not then.
I was with a chica I was trying to pull out of the Blue Marlin when a girl came up and asked why I posted her photos on the internet.
I had a second one ask me if I was going to put HER photos on the internet. Word spreads.
I wonder who showed this board to a chica, what the hell are you thinking? Is it going to help you get better sex? Lower rates?
Does it make you feel like a big man?
I tried to report useful information and photos that are fun for all to see.
Go ahead and ruin it for everyone.
And put me at risk. Who knows if she has some jealous boyfriend who might want to take matters into his own hands.
It is hard to fathom why anyone would do such a thing.
DB
Same thing happened to me in Cartagena in 2005. And I did not even post any photos. A guy I met there and drank with a few nights at LDV left three days before me. Next thing I know, I am being questioned about photos he posted when he got home. What are guys thinking?
Its called the Chica/Tica network. They watch the boards, keep tabs on us and what we say and do. It has been going on for a while. You got cought, your not the first or the last to post photos and get caught.
Believe me every girl you pull out goes back to the bar and fills them in on you.
So don't feel to bad, this stuff happens. Keep on posting if you like.
[QUOTE=Armorer]Its called the Chica/Tica network. They watch the boards, keep tabs on us and what we say and do. It has been going on for a while. You got cought, your not the first or the last to post photos and get caught.
Believe me every girl you pull out goes back to the bar and fills them in on you.
So don't feel to bad, this stuff happens. Keep on posting if you like.[/QUOTE]
I agree about the network to the extent they talk. I doubt they can read English much less log in and view pictures. Of ten del ray girls I talked to none had email; none even know how to set up an account. Most can barely read or write.
More than likely one of our own is to blame. We got the same problem on the stateside board from time to time. Damn shame.
Z
Well on to the good stuff, I got in late Sat nite at 2a and dropped my bag and caught a cab. He took me around and I got kind of re familairized with the area. I asked about Molino Rojo and we went by and he said it was a dangerous place etc. so off we go to another place Kamur then Pink Panther.
Then he showed me some pretty hot SW action south of av central. But I wasn't interested in that because I had fogot about the ST hotel option. Plus the SW action is very unstable in the service dept. because these girls do some serious drugs. But I thought the guy was pretty decent so I got his info. He knows all the good spots and I suppose he would have hooked me up had I asked. ALEX 8858727.
I knew I really wanted to go to M.R. because of what I read. But I had him run me over to VIPS Tabernas / Jet Set and drop me. He said the action was good there and safer. Action there is 8.5k / 7k. I scoped those two and about a half hour and didn't really see anthing tht good so I got a cab back to M.R.
This place is the shit and I got there at prime time. No problems with rowdy ticos in fact nobody bothered me. 2k door fee gets you two drink tickets I think it was. Dancer every 15 min or so would do a set of 3 or so dances.
No lap dance action but the guys were pretty frisky with the girls.
So after a while I picked out Kim an early 20's tica. Small petite bod brown hair in pony tails had the school girl short skirt with tall black boots and long heels.
8.5k gets you to a backroom with the girl of your choosing there so we got down to business; ok cbj then on to mish. I pounded her hard and since I just had my vitiman C she was making all kinds of noise I'm sure the guys in the street heard. She was into it and gave be something to drill. Flipped her over and finished up. Felt real good to get a nut and just didn't move fast enough to spray her ass. Looks 8-9 service 7-8 but I felt like 10 + afterwards.
So this other older one has been talking to me the entire time and she is like a madam and telling me this was the off weekend and next weekend would be better since everybody gets paid ther would be more action.
I did see another one smok'in hot bod blond big tits small frame only there Fri & Sat. I had already shot my wad and knew I needed to wait a few hours.
You guys help me on the spelling. Phonetically is JAHIDA she got an attitude when I couldn't write the name. But the important part is I do have a #. 3817531 so give her a ring and tell her your gringo friend said to call.
I left about 4a because I didn't want to get caught up in the mess a bar usually has a closing time with all the drunks & putting them out. Plus I wanted to be able to get a taxi out.
The cabbie did introduce me to the doorman when he dropped me off so the guy got me a cab quick when I left.
It's not a place to loiter around esp. late at night.
So off I wen to del ray just to look mind you. Big mistake.
Got there about 4:30a or so and hooked up with Danella. Oldest girl in the bar. So I got her for $30 USD plus the room at Asia (4k) as it was getting light. Well she gave me a half ass blow job and really pushed me back when I was on top of her. She said I was going to rip the condom yadayada. That C was kickin in.
I got off her got dressed and left her naked with the door to the room wide open so everybody could see what a thief looks like. Seems to me somebody posted a pic of her once. Ok looking clean, med body black straight hair nice talker, from Alajuela. Probably early to mid 40s. Gets my Avoid at all costs rating. Headed back to the hotel for some sleep. Been up 24+hrs.
Z
Moved to Morazan. Bought a paper went to read it while eating breakfast. Local guy dies in ER. Stabbed Sat 4a during robbery. Died at 7a.
Well don't think bad shit don't happen. Be safe out there.
Later in the day I picked up damnit forgot her name around 7:30p. She hit me up and offered the standard fare with option to cum on her tits. I couldn't resist so we went to my room at the cost of $70 total. My price point of $50 had been busted already.
27, long brown hair with highlights and nice brown complexion. Med build and D size tits. No sag, tight body. No flab. Good attitude.
I needed to do my thing and get to bed early cause I had to get up early Mon. So it was a good compromise to get what I wanted at a good price on Sun without alot of grief.
Went to dinner with a fellow monger then to del rey for a farewell drink since he was leaving CR. This time I don't know why but I managed to pick up the biggest girl in the bar about 11:30p. Nice personality though really. $30 USD. I really though she was nice but she was big compared to the other girls.
Well this girl has I guess JJJ tits and my dick comletely disappeared doing the Russian thing which was alot of fun. She had not had any kids either. No marks or waves or dimples she was just a plus size. Went a round then we took a nap. Round two and send her home about 3a. She would have stayed all night. She is young about 21 or 22. She usually wears jean jacket and skirt.
Z
Mon and Tues were much better than Sun. So many places closed on Sun, just not as many options. But back to HDR I went, because I was limited on time and only had an hour or so to play both days.
At HDR picked up an Andrea, from Alajuela. Nice small tica early 20s. Probably 120# 5' or so. Nice bod. Quiet personality. Good cbj and fuck. Forgot to get her # she is well worth the $50 I gave her.
Tues went to HDR again ait was packed with girls. Buyers market :). Found a real hard core pro. She was into it and we had a real good time. She can work that ass and she made sure I got a nut, as we were inturrupted by the maid banging on the door. She is typical brown hair and eyes tica with a big mouth. Talks loud. This is not the girl to spend any ammount of time with outside in the street. On the plus side she has an apt in Jaco and alternates between Jaco and HDR in SJO. $50 for her time; you might get it for less; give her a call and see what you can work out. 87904444 Angela.
Finally on Tues a fine looking 21 year old girl sat down for while as I was having my last drink in HDR. She could be a model for cover girl. White skin beautiful eyes at least a ten. Dressed conservatively. Not overly built, had a good figure. I'm betting no kids. I wish I could have test drove that. She is hot, but very nice personality, a rarity at HDR. I'm betting a total GFE. From Cuba. Nancy 3380139. Somebody do the deed and tell me what I missed out on.
Z
[QUOTE=Zepplin]I doubt they can read English much less log in and view pictures. Of ten del ray girls I talked to none had email; none even know how to set up an account. Most can barely read or write.
More than likely one of our own is to blame. We got the same problem on the stateside board from time to time. Damn shame. [/QUOTE]If you run across a chica who doesn't lose her cell phone at least couple times a month you know you've found yourself a winner.
I have enough solid info to know that it was an American monger trying to impress a chica who showed this board to her.
Oh well, I'm back in the States. That is a story in itself. Over the weekend I'll try to post a few reports and maybe even a photo or two that you guys might like.
[QUOTE=Armorer]Its called the Chica/Tica network. Believe me every girl you pull out goes back to the bar and fills them in on you.[/QUOTE]Of course you are right about this, Armorer.
I owe the chica network credit for whatever measure of success I have managed to have from one session to the next. I think it is critical to understand what makes them click.
I wrote a report a couple years back on how to play their own game with them:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=335029&postcount=51[/url]
I had one chica jump up and down and come hug me when she saw me again this week. She reminded me how I had given her Christmas presents to take to her kids two and 1/2 years ago, and she went around telling the other chicas how I had been her "Santa."
[QUOTE=Zepplin]She is hot, but very nice personality, a rarity at HDR.[/QUOTE]I've got to disagree with you violently on this one, Z. The Del Rey is the most romantic spot on the face of the earth and these chicas are the most wonderful girls I've ever had the privilege to meet!
And I am totally sincere when I say that.
For one thing, these girls develop a better understanding of men in a shorter period of time than all the women in the States put together.
After all, learning how to please us is the life's work for these chicas. The ones who refuse to do so, or aren't sharp enough to learn, or just come here thinking that they can rip us all off, usually wash out sooner or later.
There are exceptions of course, but mostly it is the quality providers who survive in this swamp.
If I may quote our friend Ford on the matter:
[QUOTE=Ford]Dodger Bulldog, I agree, if you get to know these girls and get them to open up it is often surprising how much better the experience can be. My Spanish is quite strong so I very much enjoy starting off the evening back in my room with a few drinks and some engaging conversation. Ask these girls about their sueños (dreams) metas (goals) and pensamientos (thoughts) about their life and it is amazing how excited they get that someone actually gives a sh** what they have to say and what's on their mind. The "hobby" is so much more fun when it includes more than just getting "horizontal!"[/QUOTE] I love to talk to with the chicas for hours, picking their brains, getting their views on the world, and learning their life stories. I dare you to compare any of them, even the worst of them, to most of the arrogant b*****s back in the States.
I love these chicas with all my heart.
[QUOTE=Fantasy]After reading and more importantly "looking" at your posts, I can clearly see a few things. One, San Jose is still a relitively boring place aside from mongering as was evident by the length and detail of your daily reports. Two, By the quantity and quality or all your pictures, you have made the most of my little trick which I shared with you in Guatemala.[/QUOTE]Fantasy, I have been meaning to thank you profusely!
Most of the chica's respond in a way that reminds me of that old Xerox commercial. The one with the little old monk whose job was to make copies the Bible by hand, when he suddenly discovered that the copy machine had been invented:
"It's a miracle!"
Since you are the man who taught me, I will leave it to you if you wish to share your technique with the others.
DB
Actually about 12 to 15 places open on Sunday but hours shorter. Just a quick list of a few that come to mind:
Del Rey and Key Largo of course
Zona Blue
New Fantasy
The Dungeon
Europa 2000
Jet Set
Taberna VIPs
Margaritas last time I was there
Place next to Margaritas but forget name
Arcadas
Molino Rojo
Calle 6 brothels for brave and adventous but recommend daytime
Just a quick Sunday list for someone wheo wants to esacape the gulch.rbc100
i realize my san jose experiences are limited and totally anecdotal, but of the half-dozen or so ladies i've asked for email addresses, every one of them had one and supplied it to me. i've witnessed literally dozens of ladies surf the net with lightning speed at the sportsmens lodge. i also doubt zepplin's assertion that "most can barely read or write." perhaps this might be true of the dr colombianas (i don't know, as i rarely frequent the dr), but costa rica has a 90% literacy rate, and i have yet to encounter a tica who couldn't read or write. inherent in these kinds of assertions is the assumption that these p4p ladies are essentially ignorant, even stupid. i beg to differ...
Spanish, yes. Read & write English? Very few.
Good discussion.
DB: I felt the same way about HDR girls and that's why I made a return trip (#4). But the girls I spoke to this trip were quick to cut to the chase and move on within five min if you're not talk'in money. If you entertain their 80-100 fees they will love you to death.
I guess I wasn't up to paying what is about is a week's wages there for an hour or two of fun. That's my experience.
Damn shame cause trip one and two were off the charts. In 2004 I had no problem getting girls out at 40. And for more than an hour. Now It's 50 and thats only some. It wasn't like that before. Either way I'm glad to hear your's was a better experience. Thanks for the info you posted.
The price was right for a ticket, so I jumped on it, but I know I need to move on to BA or Co. But CR is so close and still fun...
Z
[QUOTE=Dodger Bulldog]
I've got to disagree with you violently on this one, Z. The Del Rey is the most romantic spot on the face of the earth and these chicas are the most wonderful girls I've ever had the privilege to meet!
And I am totally sincere when I say that.
If I may quote our friend Ford on the matter:
"I love to talk to with the chicas for hours, picking their brains, getting their views on the world, and learning their life stories. I dare you to compare any of them, even the worst of them, to most of the arrogant b*****s back in the States.
I love these chicas with all my heart."
DB[/QUOTE]
DB
I could have prefaced with "that was my experience this trip" and what I say may not truly be reality.
Then again anybody's report is really their experience for that point and time and the golden rule does apply (ymmv).
I always try a little small talk to see where things go, but if the girl moves on because the money is not there before I can even offer a drink, etc. so be it. I call them like I see them.
Further, the girls now want to be paid up front which is something I never did before with HDR take out. This time we just negociated something in the room but that kind of spoils the moment and takes a min or two to get back in the groove so to speak.
As with M.R. it was business as usual and if I had more time I would have went to some other tico locales too.
It saddens me to share a less than a gleaming HDR chica report because I went there to have just such an experience as I had in the past, but I'm not gonna sugar coat what happened or try to fall in line and say how great it was when in my opinion it has gone downhill. Still good but not what it used to be either.
The going rate is way too high and paying up front is the last straw.
There is still alot beyond HDR to be had. I just didn't have as much time on Mon & Tues as I would have wanted to hit the other places. I had other stuff to do which made the trip better in a different way than the last.
NF ZB and Idem are all now much better options as their prices are still less than or about $40 hr. On previous trips I just never bothered because I always did at least as good from HDR for the same money or just a bit more.
If I do run across you or Ford I'd buy you a beer as you guys are the shazizle on L.A. info. Hats off to ya.
Z
[QUOTE=R Brandon]Actually about 12 to 15 places open on Sunday but hours shorter. Just a quick list of a few that come to mind:
Del Rey and Key Largo of course
Zona Blue
New Fantasy
The Dungeon
Europa 2000
Jet Set
Taberna VIPs
Margaritas last time I was there
Place next to Margaritas but forget name
Arcadas
Molino Rojo
Calle 6 brothels for brave and adventous but recommend daytime
Just a quick Sunday list for someone wheo wants to esacape the gulch.rbc100[/QUOTE]
Just because it's open doen't mean there's anything worthwhile. The tico joints are usually hit and miss anyway, more miss than hit on a Sunday. The others are minimally staffed as well. Not much daytime action. Been there done that.
Later Sun evening action does pick up. Less ticos out but less girls too.
HDR fills up pretty good.
Sunday is the day to be hooked up with a chica and go out of town. Mountains, beach etc. But I got in real late Sat. so that's my excuse for not following my own advice.
The very best thing to do on Sun is have it as a travel day.
I took my lunch to the plaza next to Gran Hotel and ate there. Nice scenery but did not get lucky.
Z
I have always spoken highly of Pantera Rosa in the past as it was full of lovely young spinners at reasonable prices. They only negative was that the rooms had benches instead of beds and I ended up screwing on the floor.
However, the talent level has changed. I only saw one girl this week who was really hot, and she was intent on tryng to steal away some Tico who looked like Andre Agassi from the only other girl in the place who was a little bit hot.
Besides the lack of talent, the girls weren't especially friendly and did not mix much with the customers. In the meantime the stage for the strippers was empty more than half of the time.
The price used to be 14,000 colones for full service, but now I was told that it was US$80 for an hour. I said them I knew that was a gringo price and I would only pay the same as the Ticos, but I never could get a different quote from them.
It was a complete waste of time this trip.
DB
I agree with Prolijo that Bar Idem has the high school sock hop feel with the men gathered around the bar and the chica sitting with their backs to the wall. However, the girls are easily approachable and readily respond to a nod or a smile.
The talent level here is far better than at Zona Blue, New Fantasy, or any place else I visited other than the Del Rey. I would guess that about 50% of the dozen or so chicas at Idem were easily doable.
I hit it off with Michell, (yes, she wrote it down that way), a 19 year old bleached blonde with a friendly smile and easy manner. She told me the cost here is 24,000 colones, of which the girls earn half.
She openly gave me her phone number and said that she would be happy come to my apartment for the same rate, which would allow her to keep it all for herself. Normally I would choose the second option, but my cell phone had been stolen so it was easier just to do her onsite.
Yes, I know I just made a sarcastic comment in another post about chicas losing their cell phones. Maybe I was a chica in a previous life, and came back reincarnated as a monger. That could explain why I like them so much.
You do pay up front here, but there is no risk of being ripped off. Originally Michell gave me 5000 change out of my 30,000. But when she saw that I had brought my own condoms, she went downstairs to get another 1000 change for me.
I thought that was a very responsible thing for her to do.
She seemed a bit inexperienced in bed, but was easily coachable and open to suggestions. Michell has the nice firm youthful tits as well as tightest pussy by far of any chica I was with on this trip to CR.
What's more, I just loved how she locked her ankles around my neck!
Michell is a very sweet and pleasant girl. I would not hesitate to repeat.
Sometimes I just enjoy doing a youngster like her.
After we came back downstairs I spotted an incredibly hot black-haired spinner who must have been ocupado when I first came in. I would love to have some time with this new girl but I didn't think that I could bounce back quite that quickly.
Which reminds one of the old rule that one needs to be patient and bide your time when you first enter a place. The odds are that the best ones are already busy in the back.
It only makes sense, right?
DB
Yes, "Daiana" is how she spelled her name when she wrote it down. I know that some of these names come out looking pretty weird, but we don't need to get back to the discussion on literacy levels, do we?
Admittedly, Daiana goes a little against my usual type. Older and more voluptuous, but she is an old favorite from '05. Besides, a man can use a little variety.
It started when I saw a chica who looked pretty good from behind while sitting at a slot machine. I circled around to look at her face.
The minute I saw her eyes we instantly recognized each other and she ran over to give me hug.
I remember that Daina was full bore GFE and I didn't hesitate to do her again for old times sake. She has put on a little weight in two years, but I think her hair looks better this color than when it was blonde. Check out the last photo which is from '05, and decide for yourself.
More importantly, Daiana cracked the code on the Colombianas at the Del Rey for me. They all stand at the side of the bar in front of the hotel check in (across the aisle from the casino). We dubbed it "hottie corner."
They talk among themselves all night, refusing to make eye contact, and in general act as if they are better than anyone else in the place.
Being from Medellin herself, Daiana waltzed me over into their little clique to introduce me and tell them what a good man I am. The results of that little encounter will be detailed in my next report.
DB
If you would like to see some additional pics of Daiana you will find them in the Photo Gallery:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=620621&postcount=1059[/url]
In my last report I mentioned how Daiana from Medellin introduced me to the other chicas from Colombia.
While she had accepted 70,000 from me, she begged me not to tell the others and warned me that they would just blow me off if I tried to pay them less than cien. Maybe it was b.s., but I am guessing that she knew what she is talking about.
Daiana told me that three Colombianas had been murdered in the past year when they went with men to apartments, so they are a scared bunch. She spent a lot of time telling them what a good man I am and explaining how my place had a double-locked gate and security guard at night, so that they would not be afraid to go with me.
After we chatted with the group a bit, she asked me which one I wanted. I picked Jenny, who I had spotted a few days ago but with whom I had never once been able to make eye contact.
Jenny looks quite elegant and comes across as very business like. She is a strong woman who likes to take charge of the situation, so we locked horns a couple times over the course of the next few hours.
I am not saying that she wasn't pleasant enough, and she is certainly intelligent and interesting to talk to. Among other things, she has a perfect mastery of English.
Jenny asked me what had prompted me to learn Spanish. I told her it was so I could speak with all of the chicas, not just the ones who knew English. She made me feel good by telling me that I was smarter than most of the other gringos who never even bother to give a shit about the girls.
I think that is how many of the chicas view us, guys. So if you make an effort to be different, it can't do anything but help you.
For example, when I asked which music she wanted to hear, she was surprised that I could put on some reggaeton for her. I'm sure that she wasn't expecting that from such an old gringo like me.
But if you want Daddy Yankee, Don Omar, and Hector y Tito, that is exactly what you're going to get, baby. We aim to please.
She took a special interest in my iPod, asking me fifty questions about how it works, what it costs, and which one I would recommend for her to buy.
Now, when I promised her that I was going to give her an orgasm she kind of rolled her eyes and asked me how in the world I thought I was going to be able to do that.
I pulled out the Pocket Rocket and explained how it worked. She said okay, it sounded good to her, but that I would have to put a condom on it before she would let me use it on her.
I loved seeing her tough girl facade crumble once she started feeling it. It wasn't long before my prediction came true.
After she achieved her moment, she told me this was the only time a guy had focused on her first, instead of wanting her to go straight to doing him.
She also said that it was the first time she had ever cum in a session with a client. My guess is that there is a definite connection here.
Afterwards, she giggled a bit when she admitted that she actually came three times.
Maybe that is all just b.s. and she was just stroking my ego. If so, at least I did something that made her want to stroke it.
As we were about to trade positions in bed she went to take a shower first. Jenny commented that how thoughtful it was that I had a shower cap waiting so that she would not have to get her hair wet. Just one more little thing designed to please.
It had been clear to me from the beginning that this was going to be down and dirty mercenary sex, without a hint of GFE.
I had no unrealistic expectations, and I was good and ready for it.
I am confident that all those little things (along with that big "O" she had) combined to make a impact. I believe that when they were all added up, they encouraged Jenny to give me a little extra when my turn finally came. For one thing, we went way past the usual hour together, as it ran to more like two and 1/2 hours.
Jenny was unrushed with me, did everything skillfully, and looked even better with her clothes off than I had imagined she would.
Her ass looked absolutely perfect during doggie, and she agreed to fuck in every one of the half dozen postions that I proposed.
This was good sex with a gorgeous and sexy woman, nothing more, nothing less.
As we were winding down I realized that after a few hours together with Jenny I was not really longing for a whole lot more time with her.
She is very much a prima donna, and certainly is very high maintenance. She is also the only one who I was with this trip who refused to let me take any nude photos of her.
I am doubtful that I would have managed to get any pics of her at all if she hadn't seen Daiana passing around the photos I had taken of her amongst their Colombiana friends back at the Del Rey.
I fully expect that Jenny will make someone a great ex-wife someday.
Now, I don't mean to sound like I'm boasting as I talk about all the things that Jenny told me that she liked.
I am trying to share as many tips as I can that I have learned from my time bouncing around Latin America. These are the things that have helped me, and I hope that they will be useful for others.
It would be great if everyone can take advantage of them to gain better overall sessions for themselves.
I've learned many things, large and small, from guys like Noguera, Shtupp, Dickhead, Jak, Fantasy, Executive Talent, Eric 7, Christopherd, et.al. And Jackson, of course, who I credit for changing my entire life.
Every one of those guys will spot something in this report that I learned from him. Sharing is what makes this board great.
Here is the bottom line: I believe that the odds were real good that with someone like Jenny most guys will get one hour of mechanical and uneventful sex that would barely be memorable, albeit with a very hot girl.
It took all of the knowledge I have gained on how to melt a chica, along with good deal of effort on my part to soften her up, in order to turn what I expect would have been a very ordinary session at best into becoming a great sport fuck that stretched on for some time.
Would I recommend Jenny to you? That depends.
If you are looking for decent to good sex with an incredibly hot Colombiana who won't rip you off, and are willing to pay cien, then yes. Definitely.
If you are willing to really work it, and accept that YMMV, then you might be able to elicit a little more involvement from her, like I was able to do.
If GFE is your goal, or want to bargain for a lower cost, it would probably be best for you to look elsewhere. And I would guess that this advice applies for at least three fourths of the Colombianas who are currently working inside the Del Rey.
Jenny does like nice, though, doesn't she?
DB
If you would like to see more pics of Jenny, you will find them on the photo thread:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=620626&postcount=1060[/url]
Dodger,
Fabulous reporting and fabulous pics. Seems as if Pantera Rosa is really going downhill, which is a damn shame. I've always gotten a thrill going to strip clubs where you could actually bang the ladies on site, something you obviously can't do here in the US. Much to my regret, I never sessioned there, but I had some great times at Kamur banging some of their hotties in their back bedrooms, but, alas, Kamur has headed south as well.
Great to hear that you were impressed with Bar Idem -- I'll definitely check it out again during my September trip. Didn't see much there during my two visits in June, but I didn't stay very long either time and didn't really give it a fair chance.
As stated in my recent trip report, I've never felt much of a desire to play the game at the Blue Marlin, although I've always felt it a great place for "people watching." I've had great luck at the Sportsmens, the MPs, and some private referrals from CRT members. Having said that, my June trip really opened my eyes to the inherent opportunities the Blue Marlin offers, and reports such as yours certainly reinforce this revelation. I will definitely enter the fray my next trip. Muchas gracias!
Hi everyone.
I am a newbie to this scene and as such can't offer an insightful report however given how much information I have gathered off this forum in the last day here is a report in the interest of "giving something back".
Before I arrived here a friend advised me that the Del Rey was a "must see" so Friday night being my first chance I ventured out in the hopes of finding somewhere to play some Texas Holdem Poker, and perhaps a little entertainment. Sadly the gambling at the DR was nothing like what I hoped for, though I did manage to blow $100 US in quick time on the roulette table after a run that included 2 0's in the space of 10 bets.
I ventured over to the Horseshoe to see if there was poker action there, but was informed that there is generally no holdem being played unless its between 4pm-9pm.
Back over to the Del Rey and the numerous drinks were starting to erode my self control. By this time it was about 1am and to be honest the very best on offer was a 7.5. If its more common to find the higher quality girls earlier in the night please let me know.
I noticed a girl by the bar and decided enough was enough (its been a rather lengthy "dry spell" for me so any final reluctance to pay for the entertainment was eroded by the incoming Jack Daniels tide). Her name I soon found out was Camilla, and she spoke enough english to get us by in conversation. The extent of my Spanish vocab is about 5 words, something I will be working hard to change ASAP. Anyhow we chat for a while, she tells me that I am "handsome" (just like any other potential client is no doubt) and that she loves the light colour of my eyes (blue/green). After some more chat and turning down her friends request for a 3some we head back to my hotel. Oh something I should point out - I tried to get some idea on price before going back - I was hoping $60 would be about right. Some research I had done indicated as much, but having not found this board at that time I didn't have the extensive reporting to go by so wasnt sure about the reliability of the information. Anyhow she basically found a way of not saying no, but not saying yes either, and I didnt force the issue.
We went outside and found a driver who was her friend. It was probably stupid of me to go with them instead of a cab, who knows who it could have been. We got back to the hotel and she requested $100. I think I objected once, but she seemed pretty firm on that number and I was damned if i was going all the way back to DR to find someone willing to budge. Lesson learned about settling on price before leaving! She also requested cab money to get back, which was about $20. I paid for that as well. I suspect some of you now have food and spit to wipe off your screen after screaming "sucker" at the monitor.
She then went into the bathroom for a while to get herself ready. After coming out and offering a little foreplay while we undressed it was into a covered BJ which probably only lasted for about 5 minutes. She then climbed up and started into cowgirl, before turning over and pulling me into mish. Here is where things start to come unstuck. I had a lot to drink, and while still able to "rise to attention" it appears she was expecting to only need to do about 15 minutes work, which was clearly not turning out to be the case. I will admit that while still quite in control and aware I wasn't at my most "sensitive" and it was most likely going to take a full hour (that i paid for) and a few personal favourites to be acted out to "milk" as she put it. Anyhow, I requested doggy for a while which she happily obliged, before I requested we go back to the bj which was more likely to get me off. Somewhere before this point she tried giving me a vigorous handjob while masterbating herself but that really wasnt going to be enough. She was not particularly enthusiastic about going back to bj but did so in the hope of pleasing the client. By this point we are about 30-35 minutes into proceedings and after about 5 minutes of BJ it would seem she basically gave up.
At this point I basically just told her to stop, as I could see she was taking offence to not getting me off and I really didnt know how much longer it would take. I told her to not worry about it and it really wasnt a reflection on how attractive I thought she was (that was certainly not the issue) and after that she got dressed and left. She also gave me her number hoping for an encounter when I was more sober, either for the fact that it was more business, or a chance to have it proved that it was "me, not her". Its not a number I will be calling, but I dont really have any hard feelings. She is a nice girl and attractive, but I am not really paying to have expectations placed on me and cumming in 35 minutes isn't something I should feel guilty for not doing, inebriation or no.
So thats about it. From what I have now read here I know that 1) I should be able to get a girl for cheaper than that, and 2) I may be more likely to have fun at Zona Blue or IDEM. From what I read the prices there are about $45 US, but I am wondering whether that includes the use of a room for the hour?
This is probably a bit lengthy so I will cut it off now, but do want to take this opportunity to say thanks for the reviews and pics posted by other members. I have found it to be a goldmine of information.
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I recant all previous testimony. Stay away from the Hotel Del Rey and that demon Blue Marlin Lounge.
For my report on my final chica CR, I have only a sad tale to tell. One filled with of grief and woe.
I am such a stupid.
I ended up catching a bad case of one-itis. At my advanced age I should know better, as it can be very debilitating. Nonetheless, once I had hooked up with Maria I just couldn't get enough of her.
Over the next couple days she drained everything I had right out of me - my money, my semen, and all my common sense.
The first time she came home with me she was enamored with the regalos I had brought for all the chicas. She stuffed everything that was left into her purse - a half dozen bottles of nail polish, several tubes of body glitter, the eyeliners, the perfumes, the toothbrushes, even all of the coloring books.
She doesn't even have any niños. What the hell was she going to do with the coloring books?
"See? I take these so you have nothing left to give to the others. Now you can be only with me."
I went down for the count without so much as a whimper. My eyes were glazed over. I had kind of a hypnotized zombie look on my face, drooling and nodding, mumbling my consent.
Clearly, I had entered the greatest danger zone known under the Monger Security Advisory System.
[b][red]Current Threat Level: Red - Under Attack![/red][/b]
I have never been with a woman who is 6" tall before. Do you still call a woman a "spinner" when she stares down at you from on high?
Plus, she has the razor-sharp hips and the abdominal cavity of my dreams. (See the fifth and sixth photos below)
Maria is pretty naive for a 22 year old, but very trusting and coachable and willing to do anything I asked of her. After I taught her the power of the Pocket Rocket she became insatiable. (See smile on face in the seventh photo)
It was a raining outside, so we spent the day having some indoor fun together.
I set up an email account and a MySpace page for her so that we can keep in touch.
She showed me photos of her parents, her little brother, her sister and herself when they were little girls. She even gave me a photo from one of her modeling jobs. (See the one where she is standing in front of the volcano)
We listened to music and played hangman in Spanish. We taught each other some new words. We had a staring contest, held several "thumb wars," and tickled each other silly.
We played hide and seek. I enjoyed hiding all of my favorite things up her ass.
Then she had to go to her class. So I rested for two hours, with plans to meet her later for dinner.
Can this girl ever eat!
I never saw a such a slender young thing pack down so much food. It is like she never ate before she met me. And everything she wanted was expensive - shrimp, lobster, pastel de tres leches, Red Bull, etc.
And when we got back home, she wiped out all of the chocolates I brought to treat the chicas, and devoured a bag of Oreos that she scared up from a kitchen cabinet.
I guess I am the naive one, not her. She sure knew how to play me.
Can this girl ever sleep!
Twelve hours she slept. Fully twelve hours. So I spent the night with those long legs wrapped around me and my hands hanging onto those razor sharp hips for dear life. I kept my nose buried into her long, lean torso so that I could lick those adorable abs while Maria gently snored away.
And one more thing:
Can this girl ever fuck!
Okay, maybe you can understand that when my tongue was stuck up her ass how I could go brain dead and lose all touch with reality. I have a reasonable excuse for spacing off my flight back to the States.
I completely forgot which night I was supposed to leave.
But what about my buddy? He was just shit-faced on vodka. What good is a wingman if he can't even get you to the airport on the right day?
When we showed up on the next night the airline people just smiled, as they knew they had us by the balls. If you count what they dinged me for a new one-way ticket home, Maria turned out to be a very expensive chica indeed.
Mother's don't let your babies grow up to be mongers...
DB
Maria is a true chameleon, a chica with many looks and faces, and I love every one of them. You can see more of them on the photo thread:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=620929&postcount=1061[/url]
I wanna be like him when I grow up. Little head always wins doesn't it? Great reports and photos sir.
All of these young ladys are worthy of mucho time in the sack, or probably anywhere.
How old are you?
Damn no wonder you said the return trip was a story in itself.
Sorry to hear about the misfortune.
It's a done deal; no need worry more, and thanks to a good report we're all the wiser about Maria.
Chica network an' t got shit on ours.
Z
[QUOTE=Intension]Hi everyone.
So thats about it. From what I have now read here I know that 1) I should be able to get a girl for cheaper than that, and 2) I may be more likely to have fun at Zona Blue or IDEM. From what I read the prices there are about $45 US, but I am wondering whether that includes the use of a room for the hour?
This is probably a bit lengthy so I will cut it off now, but do want to take this opportunity to say thanks for the reviews and pics posted by other members. I have found it to be a goldmine of information.
[/QUOTE]
Yes room is included.
The goldmine is a little richer now.
Z
Intension,
The Clarion has a real nice no-limit hold'em game with $1-2 blinds. They also sometimes spread a $2-5 no-limit game. I touched upon this in my July 4th post. Assuming you are new to this board, I strongly suggest spending a couple of hours perusing past posts on this forum. It could really be helpful.
Thanks for the info. I generally spend hours reading any board before I post (different boards seem to have different cultures so its often good to get a "lay of the land" so to speak), I just never happened to come across that post of yours. Will search for it now.
[QUOTE=Mr Jetsetter]Intension,
The Clarion has a real nice no-limit hold'em game with $1-2 blinds. They also sometimes spread a $2-5 no-limit game. I touched upon this in my July 4th post. Assuming you are new to this board, I strongly suggest spending a couple of hours perusing past posts on this forum. It could really be helpful.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Intension]So thats about it. From what I have now read here I know that 1) I should be able to get a girl for cheaper than that, and 2) I may be more likely to have fun at Zona Blue or IDEM. From what I read the prices there are about $45 US, but I am wondering whether that includes the use of a room for the hour?[/QUOTE]I am sorry to hear of this bad experience. You can get girls at HDR for less than US$100. It appears that you hired a true pro, who earned quite a sum of $$ for not much work.
Try to reduce the alcohol intake, and bargain prior to departing. It you pay full fare for P4P, and you did, you do not need to provide taxi money.
Im headed to CR in August, and want a female escort for three nites since I am traveling alone. I've read all the posting here, most cover the massage
and bar scene which Im not interested in. I am interested in some concise advise on how to obtain a decent girl at a fair price to be my
"girlfriend" for a few nites. My goal is to experience the sceneic beauty of CR, and have some female "companionship" while doing so. Any concise tips/advice would be helpful(any advice on scams/places to avoid is great too)
Thanks so much.
[QUOTE=FKK Newbie] I am interested in some concise advise on how to obtain a decent girl at a fair price to be my
"girlfriend" for a few nites. [/QUOTE]
What you mean with a “decent girl”?
Any girl that goes with you for the money for sure is not decent.
Be more specific.
I mean decent looking, someone fairly attractive. I prefer the fairer-skinned, tall, slim types with a friendly attitude.
[QUOTE=Sexy Boy]What you mean with a “decent girl”?
Any girl that goes with you for the money for sure is not decent.
Be more specific.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=FKK Newbie]Im headed to CR in August, and want a female escort for three nites since I am traveling alone. I've read all the posting here, most cover the massage and bar scene which Im not interested in. I am interested in some concise advise on how to obtain a decent girl at a fair price to be my "girlfriend" for a few nites. My goal is to experience the sceneic beauty of CR, and have some female "companionship" while doing so. Any concise tips/advice would be helpful(any advice on scams/places to avoid is great too)
Thanks so much.[/QUOTE]Regardless of what you mean by "decent", I see a few problems with your strategy.
1) Generally speaking, you'll pay a fairly hefty premium for any escort service that you might be able to book in advance. The one escort service in CR that generally gets decent reviews for quality of service and value is G&G ([url]www.costaricaggescorts.com[/url] check your PMs for member access info). In the case of G&G, I believe the rate is something like $250/day (before a CRT discount) and they're probably one of the cheaper ones. Independently, you shouldn't have to pay much more than $200/day (unless she's a "super model") and you might even find a chica who would do it for as little as $100/day (ie just enough to offset the 1-2 other tricks/day she might otherwise have made) or perhaps even less if she wants to get out of the Gulch and go on a little vacation to nice hotels, restaurants, activities and whatever other sundries you might spend on her.
2) The "quality" in terms of looks will usually be no better and probably a little worse than the chicas you can find on your own. Some of the escort chicas may even be the very same chicas you'll find at the BM and other places only through an agency you'll be paying someone else an extra cut, though certainly many others will be "students" or other types of semi-pros who just don't want to be seen going into or otherwise associated with notorious hooker bars like the BM or KL.
3) You might or might not be able to get a final "right of refusal" with an escort service. Many escort services post fake pics (G&G doesn't). Sometimes they'll bring out a few of their chicas to meet you after you arrive so you can make your final selection or otherwise let you change your selection after you meet your first pick, but your subsequent selection will still be limited to their "stable" of girls and you may not be overwhelmed with any of them.
4) At best you may get to meet the chica someplace for a few drinks beforehand but, unless you sign on for their hourly rates first, you probably won't get to really "try her out" before you take off on your travels through the countryside. If you do that, you might want to negotiate the right to convert your session to a 24hr one at their 24hr rate w/o having to pay the ST rate as well. OTOH, if you approach it something like that, how is that any different than just shopping around after you get there except for the fact that you've pre-limited your market selection?
5) Even if you hit it off for an hour of passion back in your room or a half an hour of conversation over drinks, how well will you hit it off with her being with her 24/7 (or in your case 24/3)? For example, a lot of girls can go 30-60 minutes without cellphoning in to check on her ninos or novias, but you might find that attachment to the side of her head a bit wearing after not too long. Or, the first time you meet her at a bar she may be ready to go when you are, but getting her to show up or be ready for anything after that will probably be a whole other story (aka "tica time"). In short, "mongers never really pay for sex, we pay them to leave". Are you sure your really want to spend 24/7, excuse me 24/3, with a relatively uneducated bargirl? Maybe you will, but spending more than a few lousy minutes with her before you hit the road will greatly improve your odds that you'll continue to hit off over the next few days together. And if you're going to spend that sort of time "qualifying" your selection after you get there, why bother trying to book it in advance?
Some other suggestions:
1) Plan to spend some time in SJ at the beginning of your trip and save your countrywide exploration for the end.
2) There's plenty of countryside around SJ that you can visit in day trips returning to SJ in the evening where you can do your "chica shopping" for the rest of you trip.
3) Even with your slightly more specific description, what is "decent" or "fairly attractive" is still just in the eye of the beholder. However, given your situation, I'd add a criteria that you didn't even mention. Look for a chica without any kids if at all possible. In fact, if I were looking for a travelling companion that would be the very first question I'd ask them. In CR, chicas w/o kids may be fairly rare since they seem to start popping them out before they even reach legal age, but it will greatly improve your chances that your ST trial chica will be able to get out of town for a few days (or if she can get out of town any way, that she won't be calling to check on them every 2 seconds)
4) If you do take a chica on the road, be prepared to send them home early if it doesn't work out. She'll probably ask for the air, taxi or shuttle fare to get back but you can bet she'll really be taking the public bus for $5.
5) Consider destinations that don't require you bringing a chica with you such as Jaco Beach or, god forbid, going for a couple of days without any female companionship.
You can spend as proilio says $250 +/- or $100.00.
my 2 cents is take what you have read here and else where; spend a few hours if not a day looking into the MP's. Your best bet will be the DR or if you get lucky ZB or NF.
It takes time and leg work to get the real deals. The most I have paid is $50 a day plus expences and as little as $35. And that was last December -January.
Try to find a girl with no kids or a girl who still lives with her mother if the girl your interested in has children. She will have to pay the baby sitter $50 - $60 a week. Mother a little less.
$100 a day will get you any decent chica without argument or questions. Its the rainy season and the girls are hungry.
Whatever you decide always have the girl spend the night with you before the morning you leave for the trip and if she wants any money up front, forgetaboutit. Move on to chica #2 or #3.
As far as cell phone. Its her security blanket and when you want some time alone its a great thing for her to have to play with. I will not take a girl who does not have a cell phone for a trip. Its great to not only have a willing sexual companion but also one who carries and pays for a phone YOU can use any time during the trip to ck on taxi's, Hotels, flights, resturants, fishing trips, etc.
I am traveling to C.R. the first week in August, was thinking of doing the same. Checking out the MP first. Great minds think alike. Staying at the Morazan, lurking around the D.R. Wave we can have a beer together.
I will be in CR in a few weeks. Since I arrive late at night I am planning on spending the first night in Alajuela. I remember reading in the forum that there are plenty of chicas available in Alajuela but I can't seem to find the names of any MP's or clubs. Any help would be appreciated.
[QUOTE=Masaje]I will be in CR in a few weeks. Since I arrive late at night I am planning on spending the first night in Alajuela. I remember reading in the forum that there are plenty of chicas available in Alajuela but I can't seem to find the names of any MP's or clubs. Any help would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]Where did you read that? There may be some small seedy tico places that you could go to in Alajuela if you could find them but I'm guessing the talent at any of them would be [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] poor. Most Alajuela working chicas commute to SJ to ply their trade for at least 2 reasons. In a "catholic" country, most small (relatively speaking) town chicas don't want to be seen by their family, friends and neighbors working as prostitutes. In San Jose, they are further away from the eyes of folks that might know them and being a much larger city are able to do what they do in greater anonymity. Secondly, its not that long a commute, 30 minutes by public bus.
However, there is at least one adult venue of note, D'Pelufo's, sister club of the D'Pelufo's in San Pedro. Reportedly the chicas there are of similar quality of the chicas at the San Pedro club, which is pretty club. But, if it is anything like the San Pedro club, there is no on-site f/s available just graphic lap dances and the possibility of getting the digits of one of the dancers for getting together elsewhere later.
Let me ask you a question. Just how late are you getting in? The public buses from SJO to downtown SJ run at least until 11 or 12 and cabs will run as late as there are flights. The cab ride that late at night shouldn't take much longer than 15 minutes. Are you saying you are in such a rush to get to your hotel you can't wait that much longer to get there? If you are getting in so late, wouldn't it also be too late to go out at all? If you stay in the Gulch, you could grab a 15minute cab, check into your hotel, drop your bags and walk to where you could pick up chicas within 30 minutes of exiting the airport, so I just don't see any advantage of staying out by the airport.
No offense, but this is the sort of ridiculous question that I'd expect from Nibu Raphael, who seems fixated on mongering opportunities in small and often obscure towns in a region where most commercial activity (and hence sex work as well) migrates to the nations' capitals or at least their major tourist cities. Sure you have a few exceptions like a few of the major tourist cities in Colombia or Brazil or, in the case of CR, Jaco, but just about everywhere else the small town local pro action will be limited to the few ugly local skanks serving the local native markets.
Prolijo,
I have read some of your previous posts and I can see that you are a valuable contributor to the forum. So, out of respect for your past work I will provide a few more details, rather than risk being accused of asking a dumb question like Nibu!
I arrive at 11:45, with my 16 year old daughter in tow. We'll be here for a week and will be staying in SJO with a Costan Rican family. I figure that by the time I get through customs it will be nearly 1 AM, after a long flight from the US. By the time we get a taxi and arrive at our destination, it will be approaching 2 AM. Rather than have her meet her "host" family for the first time in the middle of the night, I thought we could go to a nearby hotel and see some of the sights in and around Alajuela in the morning, before heading to SJO. Makes a lot more sense now doesn't it?
Having been to CR several times before, I am anxious to sample some of the local chica hospitality but opportunities will be limited due to having my daughter with me. I am sure that I read on this forum (but have been unable to find it) that others have claimed that Alajuela has "down home" versions of SJO's massage parlors, where a guy might get more of a GFE. That's what I remember anyway. Your comments make sense and perhaps I will just have to do without. I wasn't sure how I was going to slip anyway. Thanks for the input.
I don't think there are very many flights getting in that late so it shouldn't take that long to get through C&I at that time. Shit, I've gone through in as little as 15 minutes during the day. By any chance are you flying Spirit Air? I think that is when their evening flight from FLL arrives. How pathetic is it when one starts to memorize all the various flight schedules? No guarantees if Spirit won't manage to screw up with the baggage claim, but you should be pretty good. Once you're out of the door, you could be at a hotel in downtown SJ in as little as 15 minutes, so you might even be squared away by as early as 12:30, much earlier than 2AM. Still I understand a little better where you're coming from now.
I agree that even 12:30 is still kinda late to meet her host family for the first time, but if you're going to a hotel that first night any way the real question is which hotel to go to and going downtown only adds another 15minutes to that equation. If you're with your daughter, sneaking out that night will also be a problem whereever you stay. I assume she'll be in another room, so maybe after she goes to sleep, which probably will make you timing later than 2AM.
At that time of night in Alajuela you're talking only bars and nightclubs. Any MP's will be closed at that hour. I don't think D'Pelufos offers any onsite f/s but that one may be different. And even if you could do some take-out (either by barfining, which I don't think they have either) or waiting until after the girl gets off of work, your still have the problem of sneaking her back to your hotel with your daughter in the next room. There may be some "down-home" local tico bars in Alajuela that are still open at that hour, but I suspect the talent will probably not be that great even if it is "more GFE". (Of course ugly women are more likely to provide "more GFE")The next morning, by the time any MP's open you could easily be in SJ, where there are plenty of "down-home" tico MP's to choose from if you know where to go.
Sights in and around Alajuela? Not much at all in town. Nearby you could take her to the Butterfly Farm just on the other side of the airport, Poas Volcano 30 minutes north of Alajuela, Zoo Ave heading away from SJ from Alajuela or detour to Cafe Britt just north of Heredia in Barva on your way into SJ.
If you head to downtown SJ to stay that first night, you could stay in the Paseo Colon area to be a little closer to the airport. For example, the Ambassador Hotel on Paseo Colon between Calle 26&28 is chica friendly but not that charming and it really only saves you less than 5 minutes vs something closer to the Gulch. OTOH, you may want to stay further out of the Gulch to keep your daughter from being exposed to what goes on there.
When I went to SJ once with my family, I stayed at the Don Carlos, which is a nice mainstream and very charming tourist B&B in Barrio Amon north of the Gulch. It also happens to be across the street from the NF, which makes it handy for sneaking away during the day, but I'm not sure I fooled everyone in my family with all my "going out walks". They also aren't girl friendly so any mongering done while staying there will have to be done somewhere else.
Once you're downtown, you can catch a cab to some club like Molino Rojo from some late-nite on-site down-home. Not sure how GFE that is though. All my sessions there have been good but fairly business like. I've had some great GFE sessions next door at Arcadas, but my favorita no longer works there. I've also heard that the chicas at Pirates are pretty fun and GFE, but the place is not so cheap and the chicas I've seen there not so bonita. You can also session on-site at someplace like Pantera Rosa or Kamur with some hot friendly chicas but the price goes up proportionately.
The next morning in the Paseo Colon area there is Oasis and at least 3-4 other "down-home" tico MP's within easy walking distance of the Ambassador. But I probably don't have to tell you about all the MP's in SJ.
BTW, I was just busting your balls about Nibu. He's definitely in a class by himself. So no offense meant.
Great photos and reports... we have some ladies in common!!!!
Next time you need a responsible wing man just let me know. You will still miss you flight but at least I can give you a doctor's note that will at least exempt you from additional fees.. ...
Happy hunting
Snook
My buddy and I will be in the CR next Thursday for a few. I have learned a lot from here and thank all the contributers. I expect to get some hist for asking but. Was wondering towards the end of the trip we may be a little broke so if that happens where are the spots with the cheaper girls? I know they won't be supermodels but he wanted me to ask. Also, what are the better tours and such? Thanks all. We will be at the HDR.
I would go to massage parlors. Zona Blue, IDEM and etc for cheap play. It's a lot cheaper than HDR girls.
[quote=dr monger ii]i would go to massage parlors. zona blue, idem and etc for cheap play. it's a lot cheaper than hdr girls.[/quote]wrongo!
i have to strenuously disagree. without the crt discount, zb is definitely thee most expensive mp in sj at 24k colone hour. with the discount, it merely roughly ties idem and nf as just one of the 3 most expensive mp's (with rates in the 17-19k colone range). there are literally dozens of tico mp's rep001tered around sj with rates of only 12k colones per hour or less. and if your money is really short there is always the pensiones on calle 6 with rates of only 3k per half hour, but they definitely won't be supermodels at that rate.
comparing the gringo mp's to the hdr/bm is really not the toughest competition to base your evaluation. rather than comparing mp girls to the overpriced chicas at the bm, maybe one should compare the gringo mp chicas to their tico counterparts like i've done above.
and that is a big part of the problem. because of the former weak comparison used by so many guys who then feel they have to compensate them like a bm girl with excessive tips, the chicas at places like zb are increasingly coming to expect such tips, not for exceptional service but almost as a regular anf expected entitlement. think about it. if those girls work at those mp's instead of working at the bm, its for a reason. maybe its greater security, maybe steadier business or maybe greater anonymity. if all those intangibles, without any excessive tip, weren't already enough to offset the greater money they could get working at the bm instead, they'd be working at the bm instead. sure some do wind up working there. who cares? leave them for the guys that don't mind paying $100/hr. there are still plenty of chicas that will work for even less than they make at places like zb.
one last thought: its the same false logic that the guys who pay cien use. how is comparing bm chica rates to what gringas charge in the us as a basis for rationalizing paying cien any different from using the most expensive and overpriced chicas in cr as a basis for overtipping the most expensive mp girls?
I agree with Prolijo.
ZB and Bar Idem may or may not be cheaper than the Del Rey (as many of the girls at HDR can be bargained down to 20-25,000), but they are not cheap by the locals' standards.
Specific names of some of the cheaper local MPs might help: I have found gems at 747 and ChaChaCha, and they are right next door to each other. At other times, I found nothing of interest there.
And though I have never managed to be at Oasis when it was actually open, there have been many good reports about this place, at reasonable prices.
Good luck!
DB
[quote=dodger bulldog]specific names of some of the cheaper local mps might help: i have found gems at 747 and chachacha, and they are right next door to each other. at other times, i found nothing of interest there.[/quote]its hit or miss at all those places, but then again that is the beauty of there being so many of them. you just pop your head in each one and ask to see who's working. if you don't see anything you like you just move on to the next one. 747 and chachacha are conveniently right next door to each other, but you don't have to start there. starting from 'ground zero' at the bm, one can also stop at muses, europa 2000, dungeon and krysis before even coming to 747 and chachacha. if one hasn't come across one do-able chica at any of those places, one could detour south from there to check out pensiones, but personally i wouldn't do any of those chicas with your dick, no matter how cheap they are. instead one could loop north and eastward roughly back towards the gulch, hitting jetset and, if you still haven't found anything acceptable at any of the more reasonably priced places, finally resorting to the higher price options of first zb and then nf. what's that? a 9 stop mp tour.
and those are just the daytime options in the zona rosa. around oasis, if you find the picking there slim, one could head back toward paseo colon but bang a left on avenida 1 at the end of the block. another half a block down on the left, you'll find a sister mp of oasis (run by the same mgmt). i had a really excellent session there with a cute tica spinner on my last trip. another 2-3 blocks down from there is vips mp. and on the other side of paseo colon in the same area is veronicas and sala vilma and reportedly a few other hidden mps that even i don't know anything about (ask brandon). thats what? another 5 cheap mp's all within walking distance of each other. and i could name yet another half dozen or so mp's rep001tered around sj, but you get the point.
and if its too late in the day and these places are all closed, there are still other alternatives than the price inflated bm. if nothing else, idem is open until midnight. but just as there are "gringo mp's" like zb & nf and "tico mp's" like 747 and chachacha, there are "gringo bars" and "tico bars". in the zona rosa, there tico bars like monaco, bachata, club 40 and vips taberna. just be very careful wandering around that area late at night (preferably take cabs whereever you go).
btw, i'm heading to sj on tuesday for a couple of nights before taking off on my 'central america 2007 summer tour'. if anyone is going to be around then and is looking for a wingman, drop me a pm and we can talk about it. db, we haven't been able to hook up at any of the tampa crt chapter meetings (there's another on the 11th, which i'll miss this time), hopefully you'll be in sj and we might be able to get together and toss down a couple of imperials or something at the sl or bm or something. i'd love to pick your brain and get tips for the rest of my trip.
Hey Prolijo,
Thanks for fleshing out the details.
I knew there were many more MPs than I had mentioned, but many were closed when I went on a similar walking tour, as it was the holidays.
I didn't want to refer him to someplace where I hadn't personally had some success. Except that Oasis has been very well reviewed, so I felt comfortable throwing that name out there.
Sorry, I am going to be stuck here in sex prison until at least Thanksgiving. When I had my wisdom teeth removed I saved back some hydrocodone pills to deal with the immense pain of withdrawal from CR, but they ain't helping me any.
Truly I would rather have another tooth pulled than to be this far away from the chicas.
You would ask me for tips? That's like Warren Buffet asking me for a loan.
It sounds like you have some other stops on your itinerary. Where else will you be going?
I know that you will have a great time while you are there!
DB
I've got CR covered pretty well, but I'll be heading to Nicaragua for 5 days, 5 more in San Salvador, a night or 2 in GuatCity around 8/5, then on to Copan and Utila in Honduras for 9 days (with possible mongering stops in La Ceiba, SPS and Tegoose along the way), returning to Nicaragua on the 15th and CR around the 19th. If you or any one else has any last minute pre-departure words of wisdom for me (or even happen to match up with any part of my route) drop me a PM.
Prolijo,
Kind of curious why you seem so annoyed about supposed "excessive" tipping at Zona Blue, as indicated in a couple of your recent posts. I've sessioned there at least 30 times in the last two years and have never had a lady solicit me for a tip. Until my most recent trip, I never tipped anyone over 5,000 colones, but the service I received this last trip while engaging in multiple 3-somes was so clearly "over the top" and "above and beyond" that I felt compelled to reward the ladies accordingly by giving them 10,000 colones each. By some strange coincidence, every session seemed to be an improvement on the previous one, and I never seemed to have a problem repeating with my favorites. A couple of them would actually depart from conversations with other gentlemen when they saw me walking into the bar area. Imagine that!
I realize other guys on this board and CRT have complained about tip solicitation, and it appears that Eddie is specifically dealing with this issue in an appropriate fashion, as indicated on info boards posted in every room in which he requests that he be informed if any lady pulls this kind of stunt.
By the way, I moonlight as a catering waiter to pay for these trips, and I have an enormous first-hand appreciation for receiving nice, even "excessive" propinas! I have never made more than $50,000 a year in my life, so I'm hardly a fat cat throwing 10,000 colones around like it means nothing to me.
I greatly respect your advice about searching for less expensive alternatives, but,you know, most of the time I don't really have the desire or energy to scope out multiple MPs in one jaunt. Yes, I have been to Oasis and VIPS but have generally not been very impressed, although I fully realize I might not have hit them at the right time.
I've observed posters referring to the "price police" on this and other boards. I guess we'll have to add a new term to the lexicon: "tipping police."
[QUOTE=Mr Jetsetter]I guess we'll have to add a new term to the lexicon: "tipping police."[/QUOTE]Jet, I was just stating my opinion. This sort of debate has probably gone on as long as there has been tipping and people traveling between different countries and cultures and occurred on more general foreign tourism boards as well as ones like these. I've long since given up any hope of converting any (IMHO) overly generous tippers over to my way of thinking and even if I did, there will always be plenty of other overly generous tippers such that my 1 or 2 conversions would make little difference.
You've been a service industry worker IN THE US who has depended largely on tips, so your perspective would be entirely different from most other people. That is not to say that makes your perspective on tipping IN CR any more right or wrong then someone elses. For whatever its worth, however, I'll throw out a few other facts to back up my point of view.
I'm not sure what sorts of restaurants you've moonlighted at but if you were working at fancier places with menu prices that are double what most other regular restaurants charge (as ZB prices are double that of other MP's) and received 50% tips on those bill totals (like you're paying at ZB), I am positive you'd easily have made WELL over $50K/yr on tips alone.
In the US, TIPs USED to stand for "To Insure Prompt Service". It WAS a reward for "above and beyond" service. With restaurant bills being what they are, aren't we supposed to already be paying for the service of bringing the food to the table. At what point did it become expected of us that we pay a premium for getting what we should already expect of the them as basic service. Don't misunderstand me, I understand that service staff are underpaid and depend on tips for the vast bulk of their income, but in what other industry do customers essentially pay an employers employees for him. Do you tip your store clerks at places you shop, office workers at the companies you do business with, automechanics at the place you take your car. I always tip waitstaff well over 15% or even 20% whenever I eat out because I know workers in the restaurant industry can be paid less than the normal minimum wage based on the expectation that they also get compensated by tips, but I'm sorry you have to admit that is a screwy system. Shouldn't if be the restaurant owner's responsibility to pay them a reasonable living wage, expect they provide good customer service for that and fire them if they don't (and reflect that with menu prices that already include those costs in it without requiring you to pay another 20% premium). If the service was TRULY extraordinary, diners could still leave a REASONABLE tip, but not nearly 50% or even 20% and not anything at all for service that was merely ordinary.
But back to CR. The actual share of the fee that chicas at MP's get is typically about half. While certainly not great, all things considered, is certainly MUCH greater than the share of the restaurant tab that waiters typically get. The reason is because they do not expect to have to make the bulk of their income on tips. Even if they did, a 10K colone tip in CR represents well over 80% of the average daily wage in CR and would be roughly equivalent to you getting over a $100 tip based on the average daily earnings in the US. And how many tips like those have you received?
You may not be a "fat cat", but with tipping practices like yours you might just as well be. You say the performances at ZB have gotten consistently better each time and the chicas now flock to you. Damn, I hope they would for the types of tips you're paying. Where does all that leave those other guys who those chicas leave hanging in mid conversation? Which brings me to my other objection. A common rationale of the generous tippers is the "its my money and its my business" argument. Whether these girls actively solicit these sorts of tips or not or whether some guys just give them of their own initiative, those girls quickly come to know which guys tip heavy, which guys tip by US standards (3K colones would be a 15-20% tip) and which guys tip by tico standards (which would be nothing). This is evidenced by the fact that they now flock to you. That might not make you a fat cat, but I bet it makes you feel like one. A 50% tip SHOULD and DOES get you excellent service, once they know they can expect it. What sort of service does that leave those guys who "only" tip 20%? Average or humdrum? And what about the guys who don't tip at all because they think they should already be getting above average service when they're already paying 50-100% more than the prices at those other MP's?
Eddie may be trying to deal with the problems those excessive tippers have created and he may very well be able to get the chicas to stop hitting guys up for tips, but as long as there is a policy that allows for guys to give tips (as there probably should be), Eddie won't be able to do anything about EXPECTATIONS. What is he really going to be able to do about girls providing lackluster service if they know, god forbid, the guy is "only" going to tip 2-3K colones? And should the guys even tip that much if the service is lackluster?
Last point. I can fully appreciate not really having "the desire or energy to scope out multiple MPs in one jaunt." But what else are you going to do while hanging out in SJ during the day? Sit at the SL or BM bar or ZB cigar bar and toss down overpriced beers. Personally I like to get out and walk, if for nothing else, just to stretch my legs and work some of those beers off. And walking between the various MP's (which if you plan your route are rarely more than 2-3 blocks apart) provides one theme of walk to take. Lest anyone think I'm a hardcore monger, I also like to explore different and nicer neighborhoods than Zona Rosa, as well as parks, museums and better yet getting out of SJ altogether during the day to go rafting or whatever. But spending a couple of hours in the afternoon after I get back from a tour or late morning, if I'm hanging out in town, checking out the Zona Rosa or Paseo Colon area MP's, is not that big a deal, for me at least. And the mental energy involved is still far less than what many guys like to expend in their fishing expeditions to places like the BM for chicas who finally agree to something still higher than the set prices at the various MP's.
I don't know anything about Costa Rica but saw this photo on-line today.
A few of those honeys sitting in that bar with Mel are not too shabby at all.
Is Nicoya a monger area?
[url]http://www.tmz.com/2007/07/16/mel-gibson-costa-rica-loco/[/url]
[QUOTE=Lookin]Is Nicoya a monger area?[/QUOTE]Not generally speaking, but when you're a multi-millionaire anywhere can really be a mongering area.
[QUOTE=Lookin]I don't know anything about Costa Rica but saw this photo on-line today.
A few of those honeys sitting in that bar with Mel are not too shabby at all.
Is Nicoya a monger area?
[url]http://www.tmz.com/2007/07/16/mel-gibson-costa-rica-loco/[/url][/QUOTE]Others have pointed out that in the photo the neck looks extraordinarily long and out of proportion to the head.
Also, the color of the skin changes between the neck and the chest.
I'm no expert, but after studying it a bit the photo looks bogus to me, too.
DB
[QUOTE=Prolijo]In the US, TIPs USED to stand for "To Insure Prompt Service". [/QUOTE]Wrong.
Tip was what men would do with their hat out of respect for the person. It was a complement.
Prolijo,
As usual, another lengthy,thoughtful, and reasoned post from you. Yeah, I fully admit I did overtip this last trip. Maybe it had something to do with the fact I made over a grand playing hold'em at the Clarion, and the fact that the service was indeed incredibly sensational, vastly superior to previous experiences at ZB, in which I generally left around 3,000 colones or so for the tip. I still think what I chose to tip is my business, and I could really care less about possibly impacting the experiences of those mongers who chose not to tip at all. BTW, I won't tip a single colone if the service is mediocre or poor. I'll compromise and say a tip of 5,000 colones would have been more appropriate in my case, which is a tad over 20% of the entire charge.
I also agree with you about doing a bunch of walking and getting out of the gulch and San Jose from time to time. For the record, I never, ever took a taxi when visiting Oasis or dining at Maccu Picchu. I have scuba dived off of the Osa Peninsula and hiked Corcovado, visited Cahuita and Puerto Limon and other points along the Caribbean coast, and rafted the Pacuare on three separate occasions.
We ain't so far apart, and I'm a big fan of your contributions to this board.
[QUOTE=Lookin]I don't know anything about Costa Rica but saw this photo on-line today.
A few of those honeys sitting in that bar with Mel are not too shabby at all.
Is Nicoya a monger area?
[url]http://www.tmz.com/2007/07/16/mel-gibson-costa-rica-loco/[/url][/QUOTE]
Is the guy smoking in the background Carl Rove?
The photo of Mel was published in La Nacion, the main paper in San Jose.
So it was not photo shopped.
And he was in a bar in Samara, near to where he purchased property.
It's a shame Mel Gibson has fallen down so far.
I tipped 10k for girls, but this was negotiated for better service. bbbj or 2 pops and etc.
[QUOTE=DR Monger II]I tipped 10k for girls, but this was negotiated for better service. bbbj or 2 pops and etc.[/QUOTE]That's different. At least if you've negotiated the up front base price accordingly. Some guys like to work those items into the base expectations and make an all inclusive offer such as 30K colones por todo, chupar sin condom, muchos veces, hora completo, etc. Other guys bargain them down to 20K colones with a promise of a 10K tip if they provide all those things. What's really the difference in the end. I can see the merits of both approaches.
I was staying at the airport Marriott with a gringa girlfriend a couple of years ago (I know, like taking mud to a beach). Anyway, at about 1:00 or 2:00 AM she needs some medication for a yeast infection. So we head off to an all night pharmacy in the middle of the town of Alajuela. There were street walkers walking around close to some bars and a couple looked pretty decent to me. But my standards are low and it was dark. Masaje, I know none of this is going to do you any good, but if I were stuck in a hotel in Alajuela with a car and without a teenage daughter, I'd probably check it out.
[QUOTE=Masaje]I will be in CR in a few weeks. Since I arrive late at night I am planning on spending the first night in Alajuela. I remember reading in the forum that there are plenty of chicas available in Alajuela but I can't seem to find the names of any MP's or clubs. Any help would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]
You made a comment about never having made it to Oasis when it was actually open. I thought I posted a report on my one and only Oasis experience back in October, but I can't seem to find the report anywhere herein. Suffice it to say ...... my Oasis experience was awful. It was maybe 12:30 in the afternoon. Only four girls. The only semi-cute one was Roxanna (or something like this). Killer body but really mechanical and definitely not into it. The place was clean, but only had massage tables. No smoking allowed. Now, who ever heard of a ***** house where you couldn't smoke? All-in-all, an absolutely terrible experience, Roxanna was worthless, and I would never go back to Oasis.
TGAM-Nog
I had a nearly similar experience.....Stopped off one time & there were only four or five gals. Not a one even cracked a smile & one even yawned. I did a 180, went around the corner to Sapphire & had a great time (though the slecetion there was awful as well). Based on my very limited experience I wouldn't go back.
Thanks to this board (& CRT) for knowing my options.
/Dan D.
My friend and I were in San Jose for the 5th time. It really has changed. Alot of street crime. In fact we were bumped from our flight by TACA and had to spend an extra day in CR. We rented a car and did not know we were followed from the airport. In Escazu we stopped at a light and they punctured our tire while standing at the light. We drove a few blocks and then had to stop and try and fix it. While doing so they stole by Backpack from the back seat. It had my wallet plane, tickets, computer and camera. Also my passport. What a horror. So be aware of your surroundings. Also there were quite a number of muggings in Parque Morazon while I was there Honestly I feel a lot safer in Colombia. Lots of Police and Military on the streets.
Thanks for the info shared. I have made my notes. My friend and I will be there Thursday by lunch! What is this CRT card? I did a search and see it a lot but not how to get it? Looks like something of interest?
AlterdBeast,
Me thinks you didn't look very hard or very well. Go to their site, and click on "membership" at the top of their home page.
If you do become a member like myself, don't forget about the ISG. I generally post on both boards.
I never saw any muggings on Morazan park. I was there for about a week. However, I did see Travestites at night around morazan and the streets near INS building. Be careful. They were shouting at cars and such. They also usually travel in threes. I'm not sure if you guys could handle 3 tranvestes at the same time? I walked around and never got pick pocketed. However, I might have been lucky.
[QUOTE=Arteworks1]In Escazu we stopped at a light and they punctured our tire while standing at the light. We drove a few blocks and then had to stop and try and fix it. While doing so they stole by Backpack from the back seat. It had my wallet plane, tickets, computer and camera. [/QUOTE]
This apparently is pretty common. We were warned by the people at Advantage car rentals that people would jack around with your tires, at service stations or whereever, and then have an accomplice rob you blind somewhere down the road.
[QUOTE=DR Monger II]It's a shame Mel Gibson has fallen down so far.
[/QUOTE]Uh - excuse me?
How did he 'fall so far' - looks to me like he's just drunk at a bar with a bunch of girls. Sounds just like most of us.
Have we fallen too?
[QUOTE=DR Monger II]I never saw any muggings on Morazan park. I was there for about a week. However, I did see Travestites at night around morazan and the streets near INS building. Be careful. They were shouting at cars and such. They also usually travel in threes. I'm not sure if you guys could handle 3 tranvestes at the same time? I walked around and never got pick pocketed. However, I might have been lucky.[/QUOTE]I had a group of 3 girls or TVs, I did not know which, they came headon to me and all put their hands in my front pockets to steal from me. Some money came out onto the sidewalk, but I beat them to it and then I ran to the Del Rey.
This was about 5 years ago. It was about a block off of the park, on the street out front of the Del Rey.
I'm just curious. How does this happen? Do they secretly steal stuff from your car? Are these guys carrying weapons? Why don't you just beat them up? I mean you knew what was happening?
[QUOTE=Arteworks1]My friend and I were in San Jose for the 5th time. It really has changed. Alot of street crime. In fact we were bumped from our flight by TACA and had to spend an extra day in CR. We rented a car and did not know we were followed from the airport. In Escazu we stopped at a light and they punctured our tire while standing at the light. We drove a few blocks and then had to stop and try and fix it. While doing so they stole by Backpack from the back seat. It had my wallet plane, tickets, computer and camera. Also my passport. What a horror. So be aware of your surroundings. Also there were quite a number of muggings in Parque Morazon while I was there Honestly I feel a lot safer in Colombia. Lots of Police and Military on the streets.[/QUOTE]
This is my third trip to Costa Rica, but my first with the real intent of mongering. Previously I'd been here with girlfriends to head up to the hot springs and just chill out.
Having mongered in several destinations (Cuba, DR, Brazil, Argentina, Nicaragua, Thai, Cambo, Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, parts of Europe, China, Japan) I'd have to put Costa Rica at the very very lowest place on my list, and it's probably the only place I'd never even consider returning to.
I found the city unforgivably filthy, just trying to go to some of the Tica bars at night was a downright fright - (almost got run over as a driver aimed for me, got surrounded by crack-heads while trying to flag a taxi). After dark much of the city turns into some bizzare nightmare out of a zombie video game - with people literally staggering around out of their mind. It doesn't appear to be a safe city in the least.
The chica prices are competitive, but overall I was amazed at the low quality - compared to Brazil or Argentina. While everyone's opinion of 'quality' is different - I guess I'm just not into the fat 25+ gals that seem to abound in the nightclubs and god forbid the girls at the tica brothels.
The guys I met and watched were sort of an eye opener as well - In Asia (where I spend most of my time) one does run across a certain type of low-class westerner, but in CR I found this magnified - guys from USA who probably are into NASCAR and high-fiving each other while drooling over fatties, snapping pics and dancing samba at club. Some scary sh*t.
Wanting to have something good to say about CR.. Not sure - it's a short hop from the US I guess.
Overall - I was hugely surprised at the difference 'I' found from reading this board prior to the trip - to what I saw on the ground.
I'm posting a negative review, not to start a flame - but just to give some new guys another perspective. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Mudpie,
Just where exactly did you hang out? Where did you stay? You do not mention any specifics whatsoever in your post to buttress the credibility of your opinion or to give prospective newbies a valid perspective.
I do agree there are definitely superior mongering destinations around the world (I am a big fan of Buenos Aires), but you can have a pretty good time in San Jose if you take the time to read the boards and know what you are doing. Heck, just perusing Dodger Bulldog's pictures and posts kind of blows your "argument" out of the water.
Hey, sorry for not giving more details. However I don't think anyone's report can really 'blow mine out of the water' as my report is my experience. I wouldn't label myself a newbie in the scene. I just happen to think that the scene is CR is not so cool.
I've read reports where people ask - should I go to CR or BKK, CR or Rio, CR or DR - and in my opinion I'd give CR a wide berth.
I'm sure no tears will be spilled by the girls, fellow mongers or the country by my departure.
I stayed (am staying) at Del Rey - a little run down but passable. I've gone to: Blue Marlin, Key Largo, New York, IDEM, Miss Caribe, Arcadas, Molino Rojo, La Bella Mansion, Alcasar, Zona Blue, and The Dungeon, so far.
Maybe I'm just into cute Asian girls - but I will say I had a GREAT (fantastic) time in Rio, BA, and a good time in Havana, DR.. So it's not just the Asian thing - I've found the girls in CR to be really really low-class and out of shape, and the city is just foul with druggies.
The locals I've come in contact with (at least in the Gulch) - hotel workers and the like - have invariably just been rude. (I'm surely not a rude guy)
I guess my point in posting - was that some posters make CR sound like heaven, and it may be to them - but there is another side as well - it is not a beautiful city (Rio, BA) by any means - it is closer to a gutter (aesthetically), and for the money 'I think' more fun can be had with the girls just about anywhere (DR, Cuba, Argentiana, Brazil).
I am anxious to try Columbia, Panama, and Venezuela. But first I'm off to Asia (Cambo, Thai, Philippines, Indo & China) for two months - which is really my first love.
Mudpie,
Yes, more details, more credibility. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, and you are certainly not the first to lodge similar complaints about San Jose.
Yes, I have encountered a number of out-of-shape ladies in San Jose as well, but have also had no problem whatsoever hooking up with slender, "spinner" types. I certainly concede that some of the dudes that hang out at the Del Rey can be real bozos, and I've never been that attracted to the DR scene, although I've certainly seen some incredibly hot ladies there, particularly during my last trip.
While I have never had any problems with crime in San Jose, numerous veterans on this and the CRT board have been commenting on this problem lately, and it is certainly an issue. I also think the locals could do a much, much better job of keeping trash off the streets.
San Jose is a nice mongering stop for those from the US who can only get away for a few days. It only takes me about 8 hours to get down there from Denver. I totally agree that anybody who can get away for a couple of weeks or more would be better off going to places like BA, Lima, Rio, or places in Asia. BTW, I think you would have to agree that crime is a major issue in Rio as well. And I found from personal experience that much of Lima is downright scary and poverty-ridden.
Good luck with your future travel experiences. I am certainly envious of your resume!
[QUOTE=Mudpie]This is my third trip to Costa Rica, but my first with the real intent of mongering. Previously I'd been here with girlfriends to head up to the hot springs and just chill out.
Having mongered in several destinations (Cuba, DR, Brazil, Argentina, Nicaragua, Thai, Cambo, Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, parts of Europe, China, Japan) I'd have to put Costa Rica at the very very lowest place on my list, and it's probably the only place I'd never even consider returning to.
I found the city unforgivably filthy, just trying to go to some of the Tica bars at night was a downright fright - (almost got run over as a driver aimed for me, got surrounded by crack-heads while trying to flag a taxi). After dark much of the city turns into some bizzare nightmare out of a zombie video game - with people literally staggering around out of their mind. It doesn't appear to be a safe city in the least.
The chica prices are competitive, but overall I was amazed at the low quality - compared to Brazil or Argentina. While everyone's opinion of 'quality' is different - I guess I'm just not into the fat 25+ gals that seem to abound in the nightclubs and god forbid the girls at the tica brothels.
The guys I met and watched were sort of an eye opener as well - In Asia (where I spend most of my time) one does run across a certain type of low-class westerner, but in CR I found this magnified - guys from USA who probably are into NASCAR and high-fiving each other while drooling over fatties, snapping pics and dancing samba at club. Some scary sh*t.
Wanting to have something good to say about CR.. Not sure - it's a short hop from the US I guess.
Overall - I was hugely surprised at the difference 'I' found from reading this board prior to the trip - to what I saw on the ground.
I'm posting a negative review, not to start a flame - but just to give some new guys another perspective. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.[/QUOTE]Mudpie,
There's some truth to what you have written, However C.R. is resonable in cost and relatively safe if you use common sense, and best of all, geographically convienent. I've not had the pleasure of Rio or Dom.Rep.
From what I've been told Rio is the greatest, Dom.Rep beats all, cost wise.
As an older traveller I can't tolerate flts of more than 3 hrs, Dom.Rep doesn't appeal to me, But I understand Columbia rates as a primo destination.
Sorry no flaming just honest discourse.
Flaco
I have been to Rio and it was definitely a GREAT trip. My trip to San Jose is in a month. At this point, I'm committed, so there is not backing out. I just hope I don't end up leaving CR with an overall negative impression. Keeping my fingers crossed.
[QUOTE=Mudpie]Hey, sorry for not giving more details. However I don't think anyone's report can really 'blow mine out of the water' as my report is my experience. I wouldn't label myself a newbie in the scene. I just happen to think that the scene is CR is not so cool.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mudpie]I'd have to put Costa Rica at the very very lowest place on my list, and it's probably the only place I'd never even consider returning to.[/QUOTE]I am sorry that you had a bad experience. I had a great time, and would return. Non-aligned (Third World) nations are not for everyone, though. If you are not comfortable with the overall experience, it can be scary. I grew-up in a large, urban, working class area, so CR was O.K. for me.
[QUOTE=Mudpie]I guess my point in posting - was that some posters make CR sound like heaven, and it may be to them - but there is another side as well - it is not a beautiful city (Rio, BA) by any means - it is closer to a gutter (aesthetically), and for the money 'I think' more fun can be had with the girls just about anywhere (DR, Cuba, Argentiana, Brazil).[/QUOTE]While I respect your opinion, I must strongly disagree with your assessment. I have been to the favelas in Rio, and some are far worse than the most dangerous barrios in CR. I have been in poor sections elsewhere in the world, that make the CR gulch look like Indonesia.
Costa Rica is the bottom of the foodchain for mongers. Too many gringos runnign around acting stupid, the girls are all mercenaries and there is a lot of crime.
Costa Rica was good in the 90's, started going downhill around 2002......
I can walk almost anywhere in cartagena at night, where as one has to always be on the alert at night in the gulch. In fact the gulch is more dangerous than Cali and Medellin also....
[QUOTE=MJG Dogs]...In fact the gulch is more dangerous than Cali and Medellin also....[/QUOTE]
I kind of find this hard to believe, considering Colombia and South Africa run neck and neck for the honor of having the highest per capita murder rate in the world. According to one source I encountered, Colombia is the source of two-thirds of the world's kidnappings, although this claim was dated from year 2000. Yes, even veterans of the ISG Colombia board have also commented on potential dangers, particularly with regard to Cali. Let's not get carried away here!
BTW, I'm planning a trip to Medellin next year, and my good friend and boss loves Cartagena.
Jetsetter;
try walking from the Del Rey to the presidente at around midnight.
No problems like that at all in Cartagena and surprisingly on Avenida sexta at night in cali. Medellin can be dicey. but you always have to watch your ass in the gulch. Please there is no police presence in San jose, where in CTG, the police are everywhere, mainly to protect the tourists, hence there is no problem walking in Bocagrande or Laquito at night...........
[QUOTE=Professor 1]While I respect your opinion, I must strongly disagree with your assessment. I have been to the favelas in Rio, and some are far worse than the most dangerous barrios in CR. I have been in poor sections elsewhere in the world, that make the CR gulch look like Indonesia.[/QUOTE]I totally don't want to get off on a 'I'm a badder John than you are' thing -
And I have to admit - I haven't been to Favelas in Rio for night mongering - I would question if any westerner has - did you mean you took the nice day tour? That was fun - yeah?
But let's see - I've been Vila Mimosa many times, been to the downtown brothels in Jamaica, been beaten in Vietnamese brothels in Cambodia, did the brothels in Calcutta, Surabaya and Managua, the rougher areas Phnom Penh.
So I 'may' know something about sh*t-poor places and brothel ghettos. I still say - taken as a whole San Jose by night is more sketchy than any other place I've been.
Hi guys...I'm a veteran monger living in Mexico for the last 7 years and I've been considering a mongering run to Costa Rica. Now, here is my question for those of you who have experience in both Mexico and Costa Rica: Will it be worth my time to go to the C.R.? Will the quality of service and price really be all the different than what I can find right here in Central Mexico?
Thanks guys,
Mill
Mill Just, What I'm going to write is going to sound contradictory, that PFP in San Jose is better than what I've experienced in Mexico. But I've read your reports on Morelia, and based on those I'd guess that you're not going to find much in San Jose that's an improvement FOR YOU. One exception -- in San Jose you'll have the opportunity to bang some very attractive chicas from places like Colombia, Venezuela and the Dominican Republic at $100 a pop. These women would cost $200-$250 in Guadalajara or Mexico City. Unfortunately, the most attractive women in San Jose on average will offer poorer service than what you're used to in Morelia. My experience in C.R. with service levels for women that aren't as attractive, both freelancers and in the massage parlors, is good though -- comparable to or better than Guadalajara (GDL) and border towns.
Regarding Central Mexico, I can best compare to Guadalajara (GDL). I've spent a lot of time in GDL, but never visited Morelia. San Jose is superior to GDL for PFP. Costs for women in San Jose are about 50% less than GDL. I already gave an example of prices for high dollar extranjeras. An hour at the better esteticas masculinas in GDL runs about $100, versus $40 at the better MP's in San Jose; looks and service are about the same. Also, San Jose is more user friendly. You don't have to run around all over town to check out the most popular options -- many are located in el centro. You don't have to stay up to 3:00 AM and spend a lot of money in strip clubs in order to bang a hottie.
If I were in your shoes, a fluent Spanish speaker with with the biggest little black book of hookers in Michoacan , I wouldn't go to C.R. just for the sex. But it would be worth a trip for the package -- sex, the volcanoes, the rain forest, beaches, etc.
[QUOTE=Mudpie]I totally don't want to get off on a 'I'm a badder John than you are' thing -
And I have to admit - I haven't been to Favelas in Rio for night mongering - I would question if any westerner has - did you mean you took the nice day tour? That was fun - yeah?[/QUOTE]No, while on leave from a university job, I went with a physician friend who had some work to do. I stayed very close. Growing up in a poor neighborhood in a large USA City was extremely helpful, as you can imagine. You learn what to do and what not to do, as well as not to "see" anything. It was far from night mongering. Now, I had someone meet me in Copa later, as it was made clear that I was not to return without a local.
Like I said, I respectfully disagree with you.
I went to Cartegna last year and loved it. I heard all that "your gonna get kidnapped, killed crap" . I walked all over and felt safer than I do here in the states. Just in a 1 month period in West Palm Beach we had 19 murders ! Go have fun, just keep your eyes open. There are more beautiful women than you can imagine.
[QUOTE=Mr Jetsetter]I kind of find this hard to believe, considering Colombia and South Africa run neck and neck for the honor of having the highest per capita murder rate in the world. According to one source I encountered, Colombia is the source of two-thirds of the world's kidnappings, although this claim was dated from year 2000. Yes, even veterans of the ISG Colombia board have also commented on potential dangers, particularly with regard to Cali. Let's not get carried away here!
BTW, I'm planning a trip to Medellin next year, and my good friend and boss loves Cartagena.[/QUOTE]
i was fortunate enough to join ford and tbitd for a part of their trip to san jose. it was the first visit for both tbird and i. having experienced four days here, there is no doubt that this is a place for “effortless mongering.” the availability of the girls at all hours of the day was a real plus. the other plus was the close proximity of all the places. the complex around the del rey is very interesting and both the guys and the girls will make the circuit around the various bars. at the other end of town, around the zona blue and lipstick, are another concentration of clubs, mostly strip bars and massage parlors.
i have spent a lot of time in panama city and medellin and talked with other mongers who have been to san jose. the most common thing i heard was how much harder it was to find the action in these places. panama city has a walk around area where there are a lot of choices. but not the large volume of girls. medellin action is very rep001tered and requires a taxi ride.. the independent action is mostly streetwalkers or part timers that you need phone numbers for.
the other very positive thing, especially for newbie mongers, is the amount of english spoken by the girls, especially the ticas. some of them spoke extremely well, while most spoke enough to get through the transaction. of course, we witnessed numerous occasions of gringos yammering away at their life stories while the girls nodded their head rapidly with no idea of what was being said. even my meager spanish was appreciated by the girls.
there are a wide variety of types of girls here. a large number of ticas, dominicans, nicaraugans, panamanians and colombians. i decided to stay away from the colombians this trip, since i have plenty under my belt (literally). i ended up with a dominican, a nicaraguan, a half tica/half cuban and several pure ticas. the selection of ticas really varies. while there are many full time hard core pros, all 3 of us experienced ticas who had other jobs and/or did not live in san jose at all. bused in to make some extra money.
probably the biggest downside here is in the ability to find the gfe. i have better experiences with this in panama and medellin. that being said, i found two girls here who were absolutely wonderful, and two who were a lot of fun right up to the act, and then got very professional. the others kind of fell in between. many of the girls are very hard core and direct. following is an exact conversation with one blonde tica beauty.
her: hey baby what’s your name?
me: regular traveler, what’s yours?
her: carolina, where are you staying?
me: hotel europa
her: ok let’s go there.
although she was very good looking, i did not partake. she had no interest in continuing the conversation. she was clearly looking for volume. not all girls in the del rey complex are as aggressive. some will not talk to you until you initiate the contact. while others follow the mode above. one funny event occurred while the 3 of us stopped into the del rey for a late lunch on monday. (very good chicken sandwiches.) probably around 3 pm. this was a slow time for the girls and we became the center of attention. as ford put it, it was like moths around a porch light. the word got out and at one point there were at least 12 girls sitting around us watching us eat and waiting for us to finish. it is actually pretty disconcerting to look up after taking a bite of your sandwich and find a girl winking at you, smiling at you, waving or giving you some suggestive body language. it also feels pretty good.
as always the information on this board and pm’s from friends made the trip very easy. i am a big fan of the del rey and key largo complex. the other place we enjoyed during the day was zona blue. nice relaxing setting, good cigars and a good line up. both tbird and i partook here and commented on the massages. these girls knew what they were doing and it was a great lead up to the sex.
i will probably return for a brief stay in conjunction with another trip. combining this with panama is very easy, as i am doing now. but i would highly recommend this for any newbie or monger with limited spanish speaking ability.
spidermonkey – if you and tbird ever end up on the same trip, you will need to coordinate your actions or you will be bumping into him on the elevator all the time. he is the only one i have met who matches your volume and repeatability.
fantasy – it just was not the same without you.
here are a few pics of some of the girls i was with.
I look forward to our next trip. I hope it will be soon.
I had the honor of mongering together with Ford and Regulr Travlr, and would like to add my dos colones to the comparison between SJO and other Latin American destinations.
The city itself, in my opinion, is really not great. The sidewalks are in horrible shape, very narrow, the streets hopelessly clogged with traffic - in Bogota there are simply too many vehicles, here the streets are so narrow that two buses and a cab create a three-block pile-up. Having been to Medellin twice, where one really has to look hard to find a cigarette butt or an old wrapper on the sidewalk, I could not but notice how much garbage there is on the streets.
However, one of the girls invited me to a restaurant just outside the city, and it was a completely different story, beautiful, great food and music, very green surroundings.
I found the locals to be very friendly, and helpful. No problems at all. A few taxistas sitting outside the Del Rey wanted 4 times the normal amount for a ride back to our hotel, but were immediately dismissed, and we had no problem finding more reasonable rides.
The Del Rey itself is somewhat of a Campo Alegre experience for me, there is something for everyone there. My problem was who to choose...how to stop staring at yet another blonde Tica with D-cups and focus on what matters - attitude and GFE potential.
Mudpie did describe the majority of the mongers inside the Del Rey very well. I still fail to comprehend why someone would choose to look like crap, and behave like a drunk frat boy.
I consider myself a semi-experienced monger, and on every trip have benefitted from being nice to the girls, clean, and dressed in something other than dirty shorts and flip-flops..but hey, that's just me!
[QUOTE=Tbird]Mudpie did describe the majority of the mongers inside the Del Rey very well. I still fail to comprehend why someone would choose to look like crap, and behave like a drunk frat boy.[/QUOTE]Good report, T-Bird. I think your observations are very accurate. Although I don't get to the the suburbs often, they are surprisingly clean and modern.
Thank god for all those "drunk frat boy" gringos at the HDR. They make it easy for anyone else to look pretty good in comparison.
All one has to do is make himself presentable, treat the chicas well, take an interest in their lives. And maybe make at least some effort at Spanish, showing a little respect for their culture.
Many of the chicas are not stupid. They can spot this a mile away. Plus, on the Tica network the word spreads quickly.
Suddenly, you are the one who becomes "the prize," which entirely changes the way the game plays itself out.
DB
I don't think that most "Gringos" realize that in most Latin countries, (likely all)shorts are not proper attire for an adult male, only children wear shorts.
[QUOTE=Dodger Bulldog]Good report, T-Bird. I think your observations are very accurate. Although I don't get to the the suburbs often, they are surprisingly clean and modern.
Thank god for all those "drunk frat boy" gringos at the HDR. They make it easy for anyone else to look pretty good in comparison.
All one has to do is make himself presentable, treat the chicas well, take an interest in their lives. And maybe make at least some effort at Spanish, showing a little respect for their culture.
Many of the chicas are not stupid. They can spot this a mile away. Plus, on the Tica network the word spreads quickly.
Suddenly, you are the one who becomes "the prize," which entirely changes the way the game plays itself out.
DB[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Dodger Bulldog]
Many of the chicas are not stupid. T
DB[/QUOTE]
Exactly. Just for the record, along our mongering path we discovered (in HDR and other places as well)
- a licensed Spanish/English/German translator
- a girl who drives her own cab
- a girl who actually owns a full-size semi and runs a trucking business with her family
- and many girls who are real amateurs, have jobs outside the HDR and pop in there once or twice a week.
But if you are drunk out of your mind, do not speak Spanish, and your biggest achievement of the night is the 15 beers you downed before throwing up on the sidewalk, you will never know that... LOL
My awesome trip to SJO occurred from 7/6-7/18. Here is what I learned.
Airport pickup: Interbus ([url]www.interbusonline.com[/url]) is awesome for airport pickup. $6 from the terminal to any hotel in SJO. There will probably be a couple other passengers with you, but that was fine by me. Bus was clean and spacious, driver waited near the terminal door with my name on a sign.
Exchange Rate: If you are changing cash, go to Banco de Costa Rica (BCR). I went to the one on the second floor of the INS building. I got at least 10 colones more there than anywhere else. Very, very secure.
Sportsmans Lodge v El Presidente: I split my time between both places. I wanted a semi-bargain room.
El Presidente. $45/nt + tax with CRT, 7th floor room at the end of the hall, queen size bed and bathroom in room. Gym, sauna. Wireless internet in the room was very strong. Free breakfast buffet was great, hot and cold foods, eggs made to order. You can buy your exit visa here, one less thing to do at the airport. This hotel had a lot of security throughout. The dress code rule is great. Most girls from DR have pants somewhere they change into. The ones that cannot make the dress code are probably banned from there anyways, since the dress code is nothing new.
Sportsmans Lodge. $49/nt + tax w CRT, queen size bed with shared bathroom. Wireless internet great in cafe, horrible in my side of hotel. Fruits and juice for breakfast buffet. Restaraunt food was good, I usually ate dinner here. Security is strong here also, no concerns. Some very beautiful working girls here, just wish it was more routine as there were times when no one was there for hours! Bill is always great and bends over backwards to make sure everyone is having a great time.
Zona Blue, New Fantasy, Pantera Rosa, Molino Rojo: Some people love NF, but i just couldnt get into this place. No alcohol on site, i had 2 colombian girls here who were very mechanical.
At ZB, you can interact with the girls first, buy them drinks, etc. Bartenders here were my most favorite in CR. Had an awesome time with a cute Colombian girl here named Jessica, was a real sweet GFE and her young voice in itself got me excited. Missed out on Pamela, she is always the busiest girl here, but her sister Lorena was awesome, definately my favorita. A hot cuban girl (whose name escapes me) rounds out my fav list. Alaska was my one down point, very mechanical, never made eye contact, made me feel like she would be on the phone texting while doing me if I let her. Otherwise, an awesome place.
At Bar Idem, the place lends itself well to a guy. You usually only buy at most one drink and then up to the room. Every girl I have ever had here has been awesome to me and her performance memorable, even if their name isn't so memorable.
At Pantera Rosa, they never seemed to get that busy, i usually took the free drink and left.
Molino Rojo is a dive place, meant more for ticos. Drinks are very cheap, it is very dark here. Girls are definately lower end, but there are a few cuties if you wait long enough and scout hard enough. For $8 for the room and girl, I really liked this place. Word of advice: GO TO THE BATHROOM BEFORE you come here, and by that I mean take a dump somewhere else. It was the dirtiest toilet here, and no toilet paper makes for an unhappy time!
Strip Clubs: Atlantis is definately expensive and not worth it. Girl drinks are $20 and up, but every woman in here is hot. My strategy walking in was to tell the waiter "I'll signal you when i want a girl of my choosing, until then just bring me my drinks." Never had a problem with that afterward. DO NOT GET DANCES HERE! $20 a song or 3 for $50, its only topless and though the door is closed, it only stays that way temporairly. The mamsans keep sticking their head in every couple of minutes to make sure that you and her aren't doing anything extra. You can get a number here to meet with one of these beauties later, but expect to pay trophy-girl prices.
Kamur. I like this place, the girl drinks are a little bit pricey, but what they do to you on the sofa more than makes up for it. However, feel free to tell the waiter that you will signal him when u are ready for another girl drink, otherwise they will push them all night long. $75 gets u a girl and a room for a half-hour. Some definite beauties in this place, but I just couldn't bring myself to pay this price for so short a time.
Some others to mention are Club Alcasar which has some sexy women @ great rates. Wasn't too impressed with Tango India, though I cant put my finger on why right now.
Discos. Really like El Pueblo, which is where the regular ticas go to have fun. Its a small gated area with bars, Ticos are patted down first. The main discotec needs to learn the term: CAPACITY, for there were way too many people in here that it was impossible to move! The other bars in El Pueblo made up for it.
Wingmen of Merit: I wish I could remember the screennames of everyone who qualifies as a Wingman of Merit. If I mention your name, send me via PM your screenname and I will edit it. BK Tuna is always awesome, I wish I could have spent more time with him. Haywood Jablommi was definitely someone who knew who to conquer his territory. Mark and Jasperhup were my primary wingmen on this trip, and every bar we went to was great just because these guys know how to party, have fun, and always were up for a change of scenery.
Leidy. There is one woman who deserves her own category. A tica who looks like Salma Hayek, she is the most down to earth, great girl to be around and to be with. She is a girl I really do trust in CR. She returned from Panama on my very last nite in SJO, and we made up for lost time. I actually considered staying a few more days but had to get back to the US.
If anyone has any questions, feel free to post and Ill respond. HOOAH!
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Thanks for the kind words from my travel mates - Reg Trav and Tbird!
Just back from SJO, and I found it to be largely what it was in my previous two trips in 2004 and 2005. You have some top-notch quality making their appearance at the Del Rey/Blue Marlin/Key Largo nightly and whether you are able to speak Spanish or not - getting laid down there is ....oh....a bit like "fishing in a barrell!" :D
(or whatever other cliche you want to insert here)
Two minor points. On this trip I was amazed to find that at the Del Rey I wasn't even asked once for more than 50,000 colones ($100) Not even asked!
Now I realize that I am largely fluent in Spanish and I certainly don't give the girls the sense that I'm a newbie - but the prices all started at $100 for an hour and then I was able to "up" the time (often to 3 hours) and chop down the price to 40,000 Col ($80) and as a result I found SJO to be a much more economical getaway in 2007 than it had been in the past.
I'm not sure exactly what to attribute this too. Maybe its the ever increasing pressure from PTY (Panama) as a monger destination or maybe its the fact that more and more Americanos are venturing to the "motherland" Colombia in ever increasing numbers. Whatever it is, prices actually seem to be dropping.
The other point was related to something that happened on my last night (after Tbird and Reg Trav were already [i]horizontal[/i] with their dates and I found myself solo at the Del Rey) Guys, the girls that work at the Del Rey and Blue Marlin [b]don't speak English![/b] Some ticas have some ability, but as a general rule - you're going to have to be able to speak Spanish.
It absolutely cracked me up how many drunk (and sometimes not so drunk) Americans were having these long-winded engrossing conversations with Colombian working girls around the bar [in English] and the girls just nodded their heads, and contorted their faces into various expressions in unison with the tone of the words or in correlation to the corresponding expression on the guys face as he talked - but with absolutely no understanding with what was being said! (lol) :D
(Its similar to what your puppy does when he wants a dog treat or wants to be taken out)
I ran across a few "newbies" at the bar whom I helped with translations. They claimed that they read on the internet that it was a prerequisite that for a girl to work at the Del Rey she had to have "a working understanding of English"
I don't know what board they've been reading, but it sure isn't this one.
Thanks to Reg Trav and Tbird for a nice trip and "hey Fantasy, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy!" :rolleyes:
.............see y'all down the line
[QUOTE=Ford]I ran across a few "newbies" at the bar whom I helped with translations. They claimed that they read on the internet that it was a prerequisite that for a girl to work at the Del Rey she had to have "a working understanding of English"[/QUOTE]The only requirement is the ability to count money. Such is the universal requirement in commerce. I agree with you regarding Spanish. It helped me greatly, as I "dated" a girl who spoke no English, but we could communicate in Spanish.
Are very easy to explain. The higher end girls have heard how much they can make at the Mansion in MDE. They are flocking there
And what did I find? San Jose is alive and kicking with beautiful woman!
My friends and I arrived on Wednesday around 12:30. A quick taxi ride into the city ($22 for the van taxi) for all three of us. (never understood why people try and cheap their way into the city? )
Arrived at the Morazan (wingman made the reservations, damn him) and checked in. Richey the Main man in the lobby, VERY helpful with ANYTHING you need. He is on top of his game. The rooms were to say the least small. But mine was clean.
After a quick unpack it is off to the HDR. After reading many many posts I was afraid that the action here ahd changed since my last visit in 05'. I have read many many posts which trash the action here, the quality of the girls and the pricing through the ceiling.
We walked throught the doors of heaven only to be met by a J'Lo look alike! Absolutley beautiful! Shouldering my two wingmen aside I swooped in like a fighter ace to make the kill. Only to be smashed on the rocks of reality. $500 for 6 hours! Bruised and battered I made my way to the table for some liquid first aid. Was it true? Were we being priced out of the market?
Sitting at the back bar recovering from the attempted mugging I spy a bonita sitting by the window. A little conversation and out the door with her for $100. BBBJ. Dos Leches. Foto. Dos ahoras. Now I know some of you are rolling your eyes with me paying cien. But I look at it this way it is $50 per hour and I get what I want. This tica, Joanna, was fantastic! Total GFE. I had brought along some vibrators and she jumped at it. She is somewhat of a gusher. Or leaker maybe is a better word but definitley leche'the twice. So I was happy and she was happy. Busted two nuts, GFE, and fotos. Does it get better than this? . YES it does!
Back to the HDR after a shower I spot my wingmen sitting wide eyed and wanting. $20 Bill hooks up and out the door with someones Mom? I don't understand it but it is him not me. Friend #2 is ready to blow so he latched onto a mistake and out the door. So while they are gone I make the rounds and there is J'lo again. Not to be denied, I circle and go in for the kill. Now I just busted twice so I know I ahve at least one more in the chamber, and I could use a good massage so I go for the same deal I just had with Joanna. STRIKE 2! This chica is a tough nut to crack. No negotiating AT ALL! And to make matters worse. Another guy I know, veteran monger rich bastard, swoops in and pays her AND her friend and off they go. I am down but not out!
My friends return with similar results as mine. $$ and experience. Later inthe evening I went off to NF for a look see. They have remodeled since my last visit. Much cleaner this time. I hooked with a colombiana, Zully, great massage, BBBJ, and reverse cowboy finish. Nice ($40).
Back to HDR. The palce was packed with chicas, nicas and ticas. Beautiful, busty, leggy, HOT. Now there were some lower level girls (15%) and some very high end girls (10%) and the majority were solid 8's and up depending on your personal preferences. Hair, legs, boobs, ass, etc etc. But make NO mistake about it. These girls are smoking! If you can't nut here you might as well cash in your chips.
Day 2: I run into a fellow monger (SPUR) and we begin talking about the posts here and the possible conspiracy being perpetrated by members of this board. By post negative reports are some trying to drive people away? Reporting outlandish pricing demands by the ticas? The lack of quality chicas and nicas? WE are very suspect at the motives behind these bad reports.
After a late dinner it was off to bed. BED sucked. Traffic and noise all night, little sleep.
Me vs. J'lo III: This just does not go good for me. However I meet Giselle and all is forgotten. I go with my standard, if they ask for CIEN I counter with the 2 hours, fotos, BBBJ. And she accepts. FANTASTIC gfe. I am feeling froggy with three winners under my belt. My buddies are NOT having as much luck. They are getting the same deals, just not the same experience. They are not choosing wisely.
NF for a night cap nut and I hit pay dirt again! ($40) Adriana, nica, WOW.
In the evening I spent alot of time interacting with other guests, people watching (tica watching) and laughing. Great atmosphere, good times.
Friday brings the Clash of the titans. J'lo vs. Me IV. I am persistant none less. Lets just say I went down like JFK.
So my wingman hits up with a cute little blond, 18, and off he goes. Says it was great, $75. $20 Bill has decided to slum this trip and again picks up someones Mom. But he is gone the rest of the night! So after my defeat at the hands of J'lo the great I slink around the corner and bump into Jennifer, 19, SMOKING! A little chatting. A drink. Boom out the door, again $50 an hour. And everything I want. Screw J'lo. She can't be better than this one. GFE lives! This tica was awesome. BBBJ, Fotos (she got into posing) and I break out the pocket missile (a different one) and she goes to town on her self. WOW. Fantastic doggy and cowboy. BAM dos leches.
So we are late into the night of day 3. $20 Bill still is AWOL with mommasita so my WM and I hang for a while watching and waiting for the perfect one. His arrives in the person of a cute blond colombiana and her friend. Being the Wingman that I am I tell him that I will take one for the team, no matter the price, so that he may make his dream come true. She was HOT! So I get with Valeska, cute, blondish hair, smaller titties that I prefer, but a great ass and lips. Back at the Morazan we enter the room and I shut the door and I am met by the tazmanian sex machine! BBBJ at he door. NUT. Stumble to the shower. Great wash job. Intot he bed. This girl was only about 4'08" I am 6'02". She was able to place her feet flat on my chest whilst I drilled her top the bottom. Again WOW! ($80)
I will post pictures and the rest of my trip post later. But you conspiracy members have been exposed! Tell them SPUR!
The Panda
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Ok so now it is Saturday, Last night was great, tons of chicas, ticas, and nicas. Late to bed and up early (damn noise) Had breakfast at the Key Largo everyday. Food was really good, lunch and dinner at the HDR via Key Largo. No bad experiences with the food.
Spent the day shopping and walking the town, no problems. The guy in the room next to me got robbed. He rented a car and they punctured his tire at a red light, then motioned him to turn in as his tire was flat. When he got out to look at the tire one of them grabbed his back pack from the car and they scooted. He said he saw it coming and still got taken. Be careful out there. The bums were also a little thick this trip begging for coins everytime you left the HDR.
Saturday evening. Not as many as last night. Still a great selection. I hooked up with good one at NF to get my pipes cleaned then headed back to HDR. My wingman now has a novia! The one from last night hooked up with him again gratis. He was done for the remainder of the trip. She was with him sat and sun night freebie! Lucky bastard. So I am hanging with $20 Bill and he reveals to me that he has hooked up todos la noche with his same girl everynight for (you guessed it) $20. Guess she needed a place to sleep while in town working and he needed good BBBJ's before he went to sleep every night. She was not a looker but the price was right, besides $20 Bill has low standards. There I am sitting and waiting for the next opportunity. In walks a colombiana with perfect boobs and a nice smile, round butt and a thin waist. I'm DONE FOR! She won't get off the $100 and won't negotiate for more time! No foto's either. After a drink I gotta have her, so I offer $60 for a BBBJ. She counters with $75. Buyer beware! (Adriana I tihnk) So I cave like a cheap tent and it is off to the Morazan. All cuddly and kissy. Until we got to the room. This girl couldn't suck milk through a straw! Worse BJ I have ever gotten in CR. And with the exception of one worse in the states it was the worse ever. Wound up nutting on her titties. There would be NO repeat business from me. I had such high hopes from everything I had read about colombianas and BBBJ.
So back I go to the HDR. It is now around 12:30 and the party is still going. Hello, Tatiana, tall, dark, great smile, big boobs, awesome butt and a great attitude. We had some drinks and some laughs and during our conversation I told her about my disappointment with colombian women. She then tells me that SHE is Colombiana and she can't have me thinking bad about woman from her country! $$$ standard deal for me. Off we go. This is a true woman, great curves, soft yet firm, fantastic boobs. Long long black hair, and large brown eyes. Well she put it on me like a coffee stain on a white shirt. WOW. While I have always been partial to Nicas tatiana has changed my mind. Killer BBBJ, she blew me from the knees to the tip, dipped me, and russianed me. It was fabuloso. Finished with a nut to the titties which I think is always a nice touch. After a coke and a smile she was back at me. GFE with an attitude! Smothered me, massaged me, and made love to me (or faked really good) had me finish doggie and begged for me to wait for her. Can't fake that amount of natural lube and it sent me to the point of no return. After a few recooperation minutes she pulled me into the shower and did me up. This was a 10 for sure!
Sunday arrives. I finally got a good nights sleep thanks to Tatiana. I get to HDR around 12, Rosa is sitting at the front bar looking all hot and bored. Now I usually go to NF to get my pipes cleaned in the morning so I am not hunting with a loaded gun so to speak. Well that went out the window. $60/no foto/1 hour. Off we go. A nice experience, good attitude, good sex. Very pretty. Lunch back at HDR. $20 Bill is complaining that I am getting all the HOT women and the good picks so he asks me to hook him up. I find a Colombiana, extremely fit, tall, great smile. I had been meaning to do her, but had not good timing with her, she has a home made tat on her right arm S. The. Very fresh look to her, fantastic boobs and FIT! So she take $20 Bill fro 75 fro the hour. He is gone two. Seems he blew early and for an extra 25 she stayed and did him again. He says it was his best! I believe himn as I am usually good at picking the right ones and she just had the LOOK of a winner. Sorry I missed out.
Off to NF for a quickie, my next will be my last here and I want a good one to send me on my way. 11:00 p. M. I am sitting with some guys in the front bar weighing the options of two chicas. Bam they are both scooped up before I make my move! Darn the luck. But this is the HDR ad redemption is only minutes away. Here comes the final act, Margie, colombiana, tight, firm, great boobs, big eyes and smile. I was afraid she might be a little chubby and the jeans are holding it all in. But when we get to the Morazan she reveals that not be the case. Hard body, you can crack walnuts on her ass. BBBJ was great. Then she postions herself in front of the mirror on all fours and tells me to fuck her good. I obliged.
So this is the end of my trip. Sorry if some of you are not having like results. As I stated earlier, and Spur agrees, that maybe some are posting bad reports to keep people away and keep this treasure to themselves. I say go forth and conquer!
Picks later
The Panda
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Your observations = CLASSIC . . . as usual![QUOTE=Ford]Thanks for the kind words from my travel mates - Reg Trav and Tbird!
. . . On this trip I was amazed to find that at the Del Rey I wasn't even asked once for more than 50,000 colones ($100) Not even asked!
It absolutely cracked me up how many drunk (and sometimes not so drunk) Americans were having these long-winded engrossing conversations with Colombian working girls around the bar [in English] and the girls just nodded their heads, and contorted their faces into various expressions in unison with the tone of the words or in correlation to the corresponding expression on the guys face as he talked - but with absolutely no understanding with what was being said! (lol) :D
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Personally, I have not been to SJO but your reporting give me hope. Medellin is not really cheaper (from the pricing you stated) so I am now thinking of finally checking out the infamous Del Rey and Blue Marlin.
I just wish you can make it easier to match your photos in the Gallley Section to your trip report.
Thanks for sharing.
Soundz like a good lunch date to me :D Thanks for including your pics. Though it is hard to tell how they look like out of their clothes ... girl#...937 and girl#...939 look GOOD to me!
Thanks for sharing. Maybe I'll join you there next year.
[QUOTE=Regulr Travlr]. . .
One funny event occurred while the 3 of us stopped into the Del Rey for a late lunch on Monday. (Very good chicken sandwiches.) Probably around 3 PM. This was a slow time for the girls and we became the center of attention. As Ford put it, it was like moths around a porch light. The word got out and at one point there were at least 12 girls sitting around us watching us eat and waiting for us to finish. It is actually pretty disconcerting to look up after taking a bite of your sandwich and find a girl winking at you, smiling at you, waving or giving you some suggestive body language. It also feels pretty good.
As always the information on this board and PM’s from friends made the trip very easy. I am a big fan of the Del Rey and Key Largo complex. The other place we enjoyed during the day was Zona Blue. Nice relaxing setting, good cigars and a good line up. Both Tbird and I partook here and commented on the massages. These girls knew what they were doing and it was a great lead up to the sex.
Here are a few pics of some of the girls I was with.[/QUOTE]
I hear you Bulldog. Did you ever see her again? Some of these girls are like poison. Wonderful - but that's the poison.
That kind of thing has happened to me more than once.
Isn't there some way we can make this reality instead of the fantasy actresses they are?
[QUOTE=Dodger Bulldog]I recant all previous testimony. Stay away from the Hotel Del Rey and that demon Blue Marlin Lounge.
For my report on my final chica CR, I have only a sad tale to tell. One filled with of grief and woe.
I am such a stupid.
I ended up catching a bad case of one-itis. At my advanced age I should know better, as it can be very debilitating. Nonetheless, once I had hooked up with Maria I just couldn't get enough of her.
Over the next couple days she drained everything I had right out of me - my money, my semen, and all my common sense.
The first time she came home with me she was enamored with the regalos I had brought for all the chicas. She stuffed everything that was left into her purse - a half dozen bottles of nail polish, several tubes of body glitter, the eyeliners, the perfumes, the toothbrushes, even all of the coloring books.
She doesn't even have any niños. What the hell was she going to do with the coloring books?
"See? I take these so you have nothing left to give to the others. Now you can be only with me."
I went down for the count without so much as a whimper. My eyes were glazed over. I had kind of a hypnotized zombie look on my face, drooling and nodding, mumbling my consent.
Clearly, I had entered the greatest danger zone known under the Monger Security Advisory System.
[b][red]Current Threat Level: Red - Under Attack![/red][/b]
I have never been with a woman who is 6" tall before. Do you still call a woman a "spinner" when she stares down at you from on high?
Plus, she has the razor-sharp hips and the abdominal cavity of my dreams. (See the fifth and sixth photos below)
Maria is pretty naive for a 22 year old, but very trusting and coachable and willing to do anything I asked of her. After I taught her the power of the Pocket Rocket she became insatiable. (See smile on face in the seventh photo)
It was a raining outside, so we spent the day having some indoor fun together.
I set up an email account and a MySpace page for her so that we can keep in touch.
She showed me photos of her parents, her little brother, her sister and herself when they were little girls. She even gave me a photo from one of her modeling jobs. (See the one where she is standing in front of the volcano)
We listened to music and played hangman in Spanish. We taught each other some new words. We had a staring contest, held several "thumb wars," and tickled each other silly.
We played hide and seek. I enjoyed hiding all of my favorite things up her ass.
Then she had to go to her class. So I rested for two hours, with plans to meet her later for dinner.
Can this girl ever eat!
I never saw a such a slender young thing pack down so much food. It is like she never ate before she met me. And everything she wanted was expensive - shrimp, lobster, pastel de tres leches, Red Bull, etc.
And when we got back home, she wiped out all of the chocolates I brought to treat the chicas, and devoured a bag of Oreos that she scared up from a kitchen cabinet.
I guess I am the naive one, not her. She sure knew how to play me.
Can this girl ever sleep!
Twelve hours she slept. Fully twelve hours. So I spent the night with those long legs wrapped around me and my hands hanging onto those razor sharp hips for dear life. I kept my nose buried into her long, lean torso so that I could lick those adorable abs while Maria gently snored away.
And one more thing:
Can this girl ever fuck!
Okay, maybe you can understand that when my tongue was stuck up her ass how I could go brain dead and lose all touch with reality. I have a reasonable excuse for spacing off my flight back to the States.
I completely forgot which night I was supposed to leave.
But what about my buddy? He was just shit-faced on vodka. What good is a wingman if he can't even get you to the airport on the right day?
When we showed up on the next night the airline people just smiled, as they knew they had us by the balls. If you count what they dinged me for a new one-way ticket home, Maria turned out to be a very expensive chica indeed.
Mother's don't let your babies grow up to be mongers...
DB
Maria is a true chameleon, a chica with many looks and faces, and I love every one of them. You can see more of them on the photo thread:
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[QUOTE=Buster Lovedog]I hear you Bulldog. Did you ever see her again? [/QUOTE]No, it was my last day there.
But we are emailing, and we added each other as friends on our Hi5 pages. She posted some of the photos I took of her on there, including the one of her in the Dodger t-shirt.
So we'll have to see if anything more comes of it.
DB
Some of you asked I label the pictures as it was difficult to put the girl with the post, Sorry, so I have updated a post on the photo page to identify the girls.
I recently completed a 9-day trip to Central America, 4 days in El Salvador and 5 in Costa Rica, San Jose to be more precise, and at Sportsmen's Lodge to be even more precise. Purpose of the trip: mongering, and nothing else. I am a veteran Rio monger, but right now Rio has become too expensive for my tastes because of the decline of the dollar, so I'm more or less forced to seek alternatives. In 2006 I visited all 7 Central American countries and decided that ES and CR were the 2 best mongering spots. Hence, I decided that a return trip to both of these mongering havens was in order to alleviate the horniness that is an inevitable result of living in sex prison. I've already reported on ES, so this will be my CR report.
Anyone reading this report expecting to find new mongering spots will be disappointed. I never looked for chicas outside of SL--intentionally. Yes, I know all about Blue Marlin and in fact picked up someone there on my last trip, as well as Zona Blue and the other mongering spots. However, just as I went only to Kiss Fresh in San Salvador and didn't look anywhere else, so it was with SL in San Jose. Why? Well, that's just me. If I can get all the pussy I want without even leaving my hotel, then why do so? I'd rather expend my energy on fucking. Maybe I'm just lazy, but for 5 days I only left SL twice, both times to have lunch around the corner at Cafe Mundo, an upscale Italian restaurant. (One of these times was with a chica, about which more below.) Other than that, I had all my meals at SL. I didn't take a single taxi while I was there. This may not be everyone's way to monger, but it works for me.
The first chica I met was Marcela, who I just happened to sit next to at the bar. At first glance she seemed totally out of place among the girls who hang around SL. First of all, she was older, probably 40+. Now this is fine with me, both because I'm a geezer myself and because I like MILFs, but it might turn off some younger mongers. Secondly, she's a bit overweight, but I like women with meat on their bones. Third, she is short, but her heftiness keeps he from qualifying as a spinner. However, she does have a very pretty face. Now given all the choice morsels around SL, I normally wouldn't have given Marcela a second look. However, I just happened to be sitting next to her at the bar and struck up a conversation. In short order she asked me if I wanted a massage. She told me she is a professional masseuse, and she pulled out a license from her purse to prove it. Cost of a massage: $40. Cost for "complete," including massage: $100. Well, I needed a massage after traveling that day, so I agreed. I had not yet taken a Viagra, so I popped one into my mouth just then and told her I would agree to her price if the massage lasted an hour before "sexo." She agreed. We went back to my room and both got nude for the massage. She was as good as her word. I was convinced that she really was a massage professional. The massage was as good as any I've ever had, and she took her time. I had a lot of tension and soreness in my back. She pressed with her thumbs and the heel of her hand exactly where I told her and did indeed get rid of a lot of the tension. So she is worth experiencing for the massage alone.
After the massage, sexo. I was a little disappointed that she wasn't a very good kisser; very little tongue. I sucked her ample breasts, then performed DATY and used the Pocket Rocket on her. She had previously agreed to BBBJ, but she wasn't very good at it, just nibbled and licked with the tip of her tongue around the head. It was only after she put the condom on me that she took the full shaft into her mouth; she then did a pretty good CBJ and got me rock hard. I then mounted her in mish. She started moving her hips in response to my thrusts, and we got a good rhythm going until I exploded inside her. When we were saying goodbye I told her I wouldn't be seeing her again, and I told her why, because of her poor kissing and her poor BBBJ. Bottom line: I would recommend Marcela for a massage, but you can find much better sexual partners.
The next day I got together with Raquel from Nicaragua. There are 2 girls who hang around SL named Raquel, one from Nicaragua and one from CR, so let's call them Nica Raquel and Tica Raquel for short. I had fucked Tica Raquel on my last trip, so I came to CR this time hoping she would still be at SL. However, I soon ran into Nica Raquel, who is Tica Raquel's friend. Nica Raquel remembered me from last time, although we hadn't had sex, and she told me that Tica Raquel would be there tomorrow. I remembered Nica Raquel, although she has gained a lot of weight in 16 months. She is 27 and a pretty good conversationalist. She told me that she just had a baby, her third child, a month ago. I thought to myself, I hope this doesn't mean she has a loose pussy, but I asked her if she wanted to go back to my room. She agreed, of course. She turned out to be an excellent sex partner. She now has a body that could be called Rubensesque, or full figured. She puts a lot of enthusiasm and gusto into what she does. She is an excellent kisser and thrust her tongue deep into my mouth, rolled it around, intertwining with mine. I performed DATY and used the PR on her, which she enthusiastically responded to. She then gave me a very skillful BBBJ, getting me rock hard, after which I mounted her in mish. When I entered her I found that my fears were realized; her pussy was still loose from her recent childbirth. This just meant that I had to thrust all the harder and deeper to achieve the requisite friction. What the hell, it was a better fuck as a result. By the time I exploded inside her I was exhausted. I rolled off of her covered with sweat, and we just lay there panting. I told her that I wanted to see her again, but that first I wanted to go with Tica Raquel. We had not discussed price before, so I gave her $80. I recommend Nica Raquel very highly as a sex partner.
Next day, Tica Raquel showed up. She pretended to remember her from last time, but I could tell that she really didn't. I showed her the photo I had taken of her last time. Tica Raquel is probably one of the most attractive girls at SL, and she looked even better than last time because she has lost some weight. 27 years old. Unfortunately, her personality has also changed in 16 months--for the worse. Whereas before she was friendly, bubbly, and enthusiastic, now she has become hardened and more commercial. We went to my room and after we disrobed I stood admiring her gorgeous body and her pretty and sexy face. When we got into bed I was shocked when she refused to DFK. I asked her why she had changed, because I distinctly remember that she DFKed when we were together before. She denied that she ever DFKed, but I know that she did. MAJOR strike against her. She also woundn't allow any fingers in her pussy. She did allow DATY, then a good BBBJ and CFS, first mish then RCG. Her performance was good but mechanical. She seemed detached, as if her mind was somewhere else. I probably wouldn't have been so disappointed if I hadn't had such fond memories of our last encounter. Sometimes memories are best left as memories. I gave her $60. She thanked me and asked if she could have a propina. I grudgingly gave her $10 for old times sake. I told her that next time if she wants a propina she would have to kiss.
As Tica Raquel and I came out of my room and were making our way back to the atrium area, we ran into Nica Raquel, who smiled at us because she knew exactly what we had been doing. She asked me if I wanted to go with her now. I told her that I couldn't perform now, but that I would like to see her the next day and spend some time with her. We agreed to meet the next afternoon at 1:00 PM.
Next day I was in my room when the phone rang at about 12:40. It was Nica Raquel asking if we could postpone our meeting until 2:00. I said okay, thinking she had been held up. So I decided to go to the bar and have some lunch. On my way to the bar, who did I see in the atrium area talking to some guy but Nica Raquel. A few minutes later she came over to talk to me while I was eating lunch, and I told her that it had dawned on me that the reason she had postponed our meeting was because she wanted to squeeze somebody else in before me! She smiled and admitted this was true, then walked away saying she would see me at 2. I was a little pissed at this, i.e., being pushed back so she could squeeze in another guy. I mean, why couldn't she see him after she had finished with me? I also wasn't crazy about the idea of having sex with her RIGHT AFTER she had been with another guy--sloppy seconds and all that. Just then I saw her going to the rooms in the back with the other guy. So I decided that if I did keep my appointment with her I would have her take a shower before we screwed.
I went back into the atrium area and started flirting with a 21 year old named Maile (pronounced MAY-lee). She was hot to go with me, and I was interested in her, so when Nica Raquel hadn't shown up by 2:20, I said to Maile, let's go back to my room. I was upfront with her about what had happened with Nica Raquel, and she told me that Nica Raquel was staying with a guy for 8 days, and that was who she was with now, i.e., her main squeeze. So I, and anyone else she happened to go with during the week, were the ones being squeezed in.
Anyway, on to Maile. Maile is pretty and has a gorgeous body, although she is a little plump. She is a passionate lover. Excellent kisser, prolonged DFK, DATY, BBBJ, then sex in mish, CG, and finally RCG, in which position I exploded. She loves to ride me in CG and slam her pussy into me so hard that my head was bouncing off the headboard in rhythm. Love it! I gave her $80 and told her I wanted to see her tomorrow for all afternoon, including lunch and dinner. We agreed in advance on $120 for the prolonged session. Somewhat later I ran into Nica Raquel, who apologized for standing me up. Her excuse was that it had taken the guy a long time to come. We agreed to meet that night at 7. She didn't show up.
That night I sessioned with Evelina, a 25 y/o spinner with long frizzled blonde hair. She has a good little body and a pretty face. Actually she looks like a young Jessica Lang. She was upfront with me that she had another appointment at 11 pm, so that made our meeting a little rushed. That was okay because I had a great time with her. DFK, DATY, BBBJ, CFS in mish, CG, and RCG. For some reason, probably because I had been with Maile earlier, I wasn't able to come. SO she had me lie on my back, and she provided me with the best manual stimulation I have ever received in my life. She put some oil on her fingertips and just massaged the head of my dick slowly and gently. No stroking, no touching of the shaft, just massaging the head with her fingertips. I don't know why, but it drove me to ecstasy, and I eventually had an explosive orgasm. I want to experience Evelina again if I come back.
Next day Maile showed up at 1pm as planned. We fucked our brains out, then we went to Cafe Mundo for lunch. Big mistake! I had told her the day before not to wear her usual miniskirt, so she wore long pants and was dressed appropriately. However, she didn't have a clue as to what to order from the menu. She ended up ordering a chicken sandwich, probably because it was the only thing on the menu she recognized. We then walked back to SL and screwed some more. My original plan was to take her to Tin Jo, and upscale Asian restaurant downtown, for dinner, but when I saw that she couldn't handle an Italian menu, I knew that Asian would be way beyond her depth. So, I scratched that idea. By late afternoon I was about fucked out and wanted to get rid of her, so I told her she was free to go and paid her $120. Bottom line: Maile is a great sexual experience, but dumb as a doorknob. BTW, I related my experience at Cafe Mundo to one of the guys at the bar, and he gave me some excellent advice: if you want to take one of these girls out, take her to McDonalds or KFC. She will be as happy as if you had taken a more sophisticated girl to the Four Seasons.
So there you have it. Next day I flew back to the US. By the way, I took photos of all these ladies and will post them in the photo section as soon as I figure out how to downsize my photos.
A few final notes about SL, San Jose, and Costa Rica. There has been some exchange of opinion in recent posts as to CR's desirability as a mongering destination. My opinion is somewhere between those who put down CR and those who defend it staunchly. I was somewhat less impressed with San Jose as a mongering destination than I was the last time I was here. Much of that is due to the fact that on my previous visit I was here for the first time, so there was a bit of novelty. This time there was none, except for the novelty of finding new girls. San Jose is a total shithole, so there is nothing to do there, unless you like going to bars. Whatever decent restaurants there are can be found on a first visit. This is one of the reasons I hardly ever left SL. Leave to do what? I realize that others may differ, and that is certainly their right.
As to SL as a place to stay, it all depends on whether you want to go to various places for pussy or whether you want it right at your doorstep. I prefer the latter, which is why to me SL is like Fantasy Island. It is noisy until midnight when the bar closes, quiet after then. Most of the mongers staying there are CRT members, and they tend to be a cliquish lot. If you're not one of them, they tend to ignore you. However, I did manage to strike up a conversation with a few of them, and they are OK guys. But it will be up to you to break the ice. A few of them are loud mouthed louts, especially when they are drunk, but there is very little that can be done about that.
I'm not sure if I will be back to CR again. I prefer El salvador as a mongering spot. The quality of pussy there is just as good, as is the performance of the girls, and it is much cheaper. Moreover, I can stay at a 4 or 5 star hotel for not much more than I paid at SL. Moreover, there is a dearth of gringos. San Salvador isn't much more interesting than San Jose, but it isn't as much of a shithole, at least in the suburban areas, where most of the action is. There are wide boulevards and shopping malls with restaurants where you can get a decent meal. And who knows, sooner or later I may bite the bullet and go back to Rio. So my chances of going back to CR are 50/50. Time will tell.
Lorenzo
Well done and so true about san jose being a shithole and most of the CRT crowd being a bunch of slobs.... I am a CRT member, but I never ever meet up in groups. there are a few guys that are decent, but I tend to like things quiet and without all of the bullshit either......
Greeting Gentlemen
After several trips to S.E Asia and South America, I had the chance to visit Costa Rica when a friend invited me. I’m been lurking on this thread for many years and want to thank you all for the valuable information. We started our trip with a short stay in Jaco. There isn’t much action here except for the Beatle bar and a strip joint called Delfunio (sp?). We visited Beatle Bar a couple of time but didn’t really see anything worth while. Most ladies here were 5-6 and many were old. The strip club was kind of neat. A few good looking girls and they have booths where they do more than just lap dances if you know what I mean. However, the prices were high. It was $66 for half hour just for the room. Then the girls wanted $100. I decided to decline. But I did arrange for a dancer to meet me the next day. She had a great ass. After being in Thailand and Philippines so many times, it was nice to have a girl with some meat on her ass. Her performance was good but mechanical. She was a great way to start my Costa Rica adventure.
In San Jose, we stayed at the Hotel Del Rey. I’ve heard from this board that it makes for a great base for your first trip. This is very true. I had a great time staying here but would not stay here next time. The rooms are only OK. The hotel is very old and the age shows. The staff, however, did a great job at keeping the place clean. I’ve heard horror stories about the dirty comforters in hotel rooms. They are full of body fluids and are almost never changed. At this hotel, however, they change everything on the bed after you check out. They even have plastic linings inside the pillows in case the guys before you drool. I was very impressed by the degree of cleanliness in this hotel. The restaurant (across the street) was amazing. Everything I had was great. The room service in this hotel was straight from the restaurant.
The lobby of this hotel is straight out of a monger’s dream. I’ve been to Bangkok, Pattaya, Angeles City, Rio, Buenos Aires, Singapore, Kuala Lumpur and Shanghai. But I’ve never seen a venue like this. The entire lobby area and the bars are just loaded with beautiful women. They come in all shapes and sizes. It is literally the most amazing thing a monger can experience. And like S. America, they come in all shades. You can have a blue eyed blond or a dark African queen, with everything in between. But unlike Brazil or Argentina, they have a casino so you gamble as you chose your girl. In Rio, I always felt weird at the Termas because there was nothing to do except sit and be stared at by the girls. Here in Del Rey, you can sit back and relax while you shop.
The prices of the Del Rey girls have been discussed extensively here. I found that the more beautiful ones won’t budge from the $100 they quote. The lesser looking ones will lower their prices after negotiations. But in my experience, only older and uglier ones will lower their prices. Now, I know some of you are thinking that you got a great looking one for less than $100. I’m not saying you’re lying. You’re just better at negotiating than I am.
I ended up getting 2 girls from Del Rey; both were great but very professional and mechanical. But Latin women just love sex. So even when it is work, they do a great job. I’ve noticed that Latin women just love to be sexy. It is hard to not have a good experience with them. In Asia, I feel like the women allow you to fuck them. But in Latin American, the women allow you to be fucked by them. But both attitudes can be good with the right girl.
On day, I decided to try a massage place so I went to Zona Blue with my friend. We spotted the blond sisters, Laura and Pamela. I took Pamela and my friend took Laura. They told us they were sisters and bi-sexual. They even suggested a 4-some. But my friend and I didn’t really want to be in the same room so we declined. Pamela gave me a tremendous performance similar to what I experienced in Rio’s termas. Later that night, I couldn’t stop thinking about the sisters. The first thing I did the next day was go back to Zona Blue and get the sisters as a double. I’ve seen pictures of the girls on the net before. But I had no idea how much they liked to be photographed. They asked me if I had a camera before we started. I’ve never had a girl ask me to take photos before. That was a change. The 3-some was the best I’ve ever had. It was all PSE like Eden in Bangkok. Except these girls are way better looking and the passion felt real. In Eden they ate pussy like they had to; these two ate pussy like they wanted to. They went after each other like they’ve been in solitary confinement for a week. It felt a little weird knowing they’re sisters but I was having such a good time that quickly left my mind. My favorite part was sitting in a chair with both girls on their knees giving me a “BJ sandwich”. I’ve seen this in movies and have always wanted to try it. It was amazing to look down and see 4 blue eyes looking up at me and two tongues sliding on my cock. Whenever, one was blowing me, the other would lick my balls. Did I mention I had a great time with these two? During the session, they kept play fighting over who gets me. They kept saying, “Keep your hands off my boyfriend” and begging to be fucked when I was fucking the other one. They kept asking when I was going to stop fucking her sister and fuck her instead. During the session, I forgot about every problem I’ve ever had in life. You guys simply have to try these two as a double.
Overall, I liked Costa Rica but not as much as the other locations I mentioned. Asia is cheaper and South America has better looking women at the same price (except maybe Brazil, with the shitty exchange). But the proximity of Costa Rica to the US is very attractive. And Hotel Del Rey is a must see for all mongers, period. And of course, the sisters at Zona Blue was the best experience I’ve ever had while mongering. But there really isn’t much to in San Jose besides mongering. And the crime/safety issue is annoying. I’ve realized now that I’m about more than just mongering. In Thailand, I enjoy the food, culture and beautiful beaches. All these were missing in Costa Rica (Jaco beach was really gross). And South America has the most beautiful women I’ve ever seen. Having said that, Costa Rica is not at all bad. It is just that those other places are better. If they didn’t exist, Costa Rica would be heaven.
I hope you enjoyed my report.
Eggsalad
[QUOTE=Eggsalad]Greeting Gentlemen
The lobby of this hotel is straight out of a monger’s dream. I’ve been to Bangkok, Pattaya, Angeles City, Rio, Buenos Aires, Singapore, Kuala Lumpur and Shanghai. But I’ve never seen a venue like this. The entire lobby area and the bars are just loaded with beautiful women. They come in all shapes and sizes. It is literally the most amazing thing a monger can experience. And like S. America, they come in all shades. You can have a blue eyed blond or a dark African queen, with everything in between. But unlike Brazil or Argentina, they have a casino so you gamble as you chose your girl. In Rio, I always felt weird at the Termas because there was nothing to do except sit and be stared at by the girls. Here in Del Rey, you can sit back and relax while you shop.
Eggsalad[/QUOTE]
Nice report. Having just returned from my first visit as well, your description of HDR is right on. The other good part is that it is like this all day long. So if you have the urge for an afternoon delight it is no problem. Or if you need to go again late at night, no problem (Tbird).
Lorenzo - always enjoy your reports and your opinions. I stopped into the SL during my trip as it was a must see landmark. Did not get the impression that I would enjoy being here. Perhaps it was because of the concentration of boisterous CRT memebers and the small number of chicas available. But as you describe it, it can be an enjoyable spot.
Eggsalad
Nice report, but it is grossly unfair and misleading to generalize the beaches of Costa Rica by what you experienced at Jaco. BTW, a long strand of very nice white sand beach can be found just 2 or 3 miles south of Jaco.
Although I am an avid scuba diver, I'm not a huge fan of lounging around on the beach, but I've seen some pretty nice beach areas in CR. I was impressed by the beaches in the Puerto Viejo/Cahuita area and points south along the Caribbean side of the country. My favorite experience was being dropped off along with a friend for an afternoon on a beautiful, DESERTED stretch of white sand beach about 10 miles south of Drake's Bay along the Pacific side of the Osa Peninsula. The beach was backed by dense green jungle full of monkeys and who knows what other creatures, and there was literally no one within miles of us. Simply spectacular.
Hotel Delray Jan 2006
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Mr. Jetsetter
You are correct. I didn't mean to sound like all beaches in the country were dirty. In fact, I'm pretty sure I mentioned Jaco was the only beach I saw. I did hear about prettier beaches in CR. Unfortunately, I did not get to experience them.
Egg
Jaco beach right near the top, IF NOT THE TOP, of the worst beaches in CR.
Nice report Lorenzo. When I make my first trip to CR, I'll probably stay there.
Thanks!
Egg: For a first trip, sounds like you had a great time. Would you mind sharing with us the pics of the ZB sisters? How much was the price to do the double? I am expecting to make my first trip to San Jose sometime next spring. I hope the sisters will still be there.
Thanks in advance.
Glad I'm not in it. It would have been fun to watch them kick this guy's ass if he got caught with the camera.
Almotu,
With the CRT discount, ladies at Zona Blue cost about $42 per hour, so a session with two of them will run about $84. If you'd like to see one of the sisters Egg dallied with, check out my photos of Pamela/Andrea on page 6 of the photo section. Pamela is the lovely blond lady who I enjoyed multiple threesomes with, and is quite possibly the most photographed Costa Rican provider in history.
In case you don't know, CRT stands for Costa Rica Ticas, and I highly recommend becoming a member, as the site is a great CR resource, and the discounts associated with membership will likely more than offset the cost of joining.
[QUOTE=Mr Jetsetter]Almotu,
With the CRT discount, ladies at Zona Blue cost about $42 per hour, so a session with two of them will run about $84. .[/QUOTE]
For the more budget minded you can get a 2 for 1 on Tuesdays at Pension Zafiro in Paseo Colon for 15,000 col for the pair for an hour
100 meters north and 25 meters east from KFC..in front of Super Bingo
222-0369
[QUOTE=Mr Jetsetter]Almotu,. . . . Pamela is the lovely blond lady who I enjoyed multiple threesomes with, and is quite possibly the most photographed Costa Rican provider in history.[/QUOTE]Andrea is HOT! I wish I can see Pamela's eyes. Thanks for sharing the photos, though.
Last month I was at the SL and picked-up this totally cute little, tiny spinner named Ivania. She was average in looks but if you like tiny spinners she was great with the body. Up in the room she was absolutely rockin! I mean she did the deed like there was no tomorrow. She even said that she broke up with her old boyfriend because she wanted sex 3-4 times a day and he did not. Great story, even if it isn’t true! She was absolutely incredible in bed.
I am frequently at the SL but had never seen her before … or since. Do any of you guys know of Ivania? I even think Bill may know her?
Please PM me if any of you have run into Ivania, or better yet … if any of you have photos of her.
TGAM-nog
Is she blonde and does she have braces.
Nope
Brown hair down to her shoulders.
Skinny, great body, small breasts.
No braces.
anyone just back with a sim card to sell? i know they are extremely hard to come by without a receipt for a phone purchase there. CR is my first stop in a central american tour, and the only sim i am missing.
THANKS FOR YOUR HELP..............
Fantasy................................................................................
I was hanging out in San Jose so I wanted to leave my impression for those who have never been here. I’m a very experienced traveler and know most of the counties in Latin America, but I’m not an old hand when it comes to Costa Rica so this is my first impression, nothing more.
After arrival I made a beeline for the Del Rey/Blue Marlin after having read so much about it. It’s quite a place and I’ve never experienced anything like it anywhere in Latin America. The place itself is a decent sized bar/restaurant/casino, pretty upscale for a Latin American mongering spot and make no mistake, the Del Rey is a mongering spot through and through. Save the staff, every woman, and there are probably 100 or more circulating in and out, is a pro.
The Del Rey complex has the feel of an American sports bar set in Las Vegas. Good food, attentive staff, gambling. A decent ambience if you don’t want to get too far off the beaten track I suppose, but sort of weird at the same time. Though fairly upscale, it caters to a pretty low scale crowd of Americans predominantly. I’d say on this Saturday there were easily more guys there than girls, perhaps 2 or 3 to 1. If you see a girl you like, snap her up quickly or you’ll likely see her leaving with someone else the next time you turn around. I’ve never seen so many Americans congregated in one spot in Latin America since, say, spring break in Cancun. Although the Del Rey caters to a much older crowd and you definitely get the feeling that some of the old guys have practically taken up permanent residence there which was both inspiring and sort of sad at the same time. English is widely spoken by the staff so Spanish isn’t a necessity at all in this place.
The women are gorgeous, ranging from tall, slim model looking types to ladies with luscious latina-style ghetto booties and all shapes and sizes in between – also all colors from blonde to black with many Colombians and Dominicans. (Colombians tend to be the curvy, long-haired ones with big fake tits, the Dominicans are the black ones). Along with Rio’s Help disco and Adelitas in Tijuana, the Del Rey is surely one of the premier places to find large numbers of hot women for sale together in a single spot in the entire Western hemisphere.
Another plus is that the weather is great. No sweating under heat indexes of 100 here. San Jose has California weather.
All of this is the good part, so now for the bad part.
Despite all its good points, I’d say there are some very big negatives about the scene that will likely make me bypass the Del Rey and San Jose in the future.
First and foremost are the droves of thugs, bums, hustlers and lunatics hanging out in the area. They are not your typical annoying touts or low-key panhandlers one finds all over Latin America, and I’ve been everywhere in Latin America. No, it seems to be populated with the dodgier sort of riff raff one finds on skid row in a major US city. It’s advisable if you’re alone or not in a good sized group to take a taxi even for a few blocks. There seems to be no police presence in the area whatever and one gets the feeling that if you get into it with one of these guys, you’ll have a small army to contend with. There seemed to be at least half a dozen street rats loitering on every single corner and in front of every business making them totally unavoidable. I don’t like feeling that I’m not free to walk around and explore at night and here you definitely can’t. Or better put, definitely shouldn’t. Not that there is much to see in San Jose anyhow.
Which brings me to another drawback. San Jose is ugly and depressing. Think of a rainy day in Cleveland and you get the picture. Actually, the downtown streets most remind me of San Francisco’s Tenderloin district with bums, drug addicts, insane people, aggressive panhandlers, general filth and a notable current of negative energy all well represented. I didn’t talk to a single person whether tourist, monger, or hooker that had something nice to say about San Jose as a city.
Perhaps as big a negative is that the women by and large seem mechanical and far too business-like. It’s definitely all about the money here. Not that money isn’t important in other places, but money issues elsewhere usually seem more like background noise or even a party favor where here it is very much front and center. The standard quote is $100 USD for an "hour" (meaning they’ll do their level best to get you off in 10 minutes and then split), payment often expected in advance. Of course special arrangements can be made and there are outliers in every group, but the general terms and conditions seem to be no kissing, no BBBJ, no back door, routine indifference. The homely second stringers, though, seem a bit more amenable. Still, Rio de Janeiro this is not. I talked to about half a dozen stunners that I fully intended to take back to my room with me when I approached them only to end up being turned off by their frigid, boring conversation and preoccupation with payment.
I did manage to sample a couple that weren’t totally jaded, but they seemed too practiced all the same and were anxious to get right back on the game. No toda la noche at the Del Rey. Here the best looking women can probably turn 4 or 5 tricks in a single night which isn’t too sexy if you’re guy number 5.
If you’re coming to Latin America from the US or Canada for the first time, I can see that this mongering hot spot will seem like heaven as there certainly is nothing like it up there, but truth be told I found it something of a disappointment when compared to other experiences I’ve had around Latin America. I can get over any one or perhaps two of the drawbacks I mentioned, but not all of these drawbacks together. Even though there is less to choose from as far as women go in most other places, if having an all around good time is at the top of your list rather than just adding a few hot conquests to your trophy case, you’re likely to have more fun elsewhere. There is nothing that you can find at the Del Rey that you can’t find in any number of much better locations.
I was planning to spend more time here, but moved on to other parts in short order despite the bevy of sexy, available women. San Jose is just that bad.
One note: The Hotel Presidente is very civilized and pleasant. Well stocked mini-bar, very clean, well decorated and everything works from the air conditioning to the Internet. I give the Presidente a thumbs up. I brought an absolutely gorgeous, tall, curvaceous and not entirely sterile Colombiana here and as far as I can tell there was no fee charged for the pleasure. She let herself out after our session. No problems.
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SweetLemon,
If the Saturday night you referred to in your fine report is this last one, September 1st, you definitely had the misfortune of hitting the DR on an unusual night. Tons and tons of mongers were in town for the CRT anniversary bash, and U.S. holiday weekends such as this one do attract an unusual number of gentlemen. I'm not a big fan of the Del Rey scene, but, believe me, most of the time the ladies greatly outnumber the men. Also, don't be so quick to categorize the male patrons as "low scale." I have met some very friendly, interesting guys there over my past five trips, a number of them very, very successful businessmen back in the States simply having a casual time partying the day or night away, enjoying a brief respite from the pressures back home.
I have to agree with you about the seedy nature of the area immediately around the Del Rey, but San Jose does have some nicer areas to hang out in, and offers some great day trips that allow you to see the countryside, such as the Pacuare River rafting trip. Perhaps if you would have spent some time at the Sportsmen's Lodge and Zona Blue and New Fantasy or a number of other venues on a weekend other than this last one (assuming this is the time period you are referring to), you might have received a more favorable impression. I'm not in any way saying San Jose is comperable to Rio or Buenos Aires or other places you've been to, but a good time CAN be had.
I also totally agree with your comment about the lack of a proper police presence. I simply don't understand it, considering the number of visitors the city has. Unfortunately, it might take a high-profie, well-publicised violent attack or two for the powers-that-be to wake up to this absurd oversight.
SweetLemon, you are right about San Jose as a city. However, I didn't see thugs or street rats at every corner. I guess San Jose feels like NYC in the 1970s. I did see police, but they weren't going after TVs at night or walking the beat that much. I saw one of them stop a Dominos pizza delivery guy :) While some pros are mechanical at some massage places you can offer a 20 dollar tip and most likely get bbbj or 2 shots at sex. However, kissing is very rare. I found some places like Bar IDem to be too mechanical. It's kind of sad because they charge the highest rates out of all the incall places in San Jose. I did not sample the wares of HDR girls, because I was a cheapskate. However, I think most of the girls would easily take 80. Most massage parlors charge from 20-45 for an hour. For about 60 dollars, you can almost get GFE.
[QUOTE=DR Monger II]I did not sample the wares of HDR girls, because I was a cheapskate. However, I think most of the girls would easily take 80.[/QUOTE]Some HDR girls will take less than US$80, particularly if you communication with them in Spanish. I told one "nice girl," who started with the US$100 scheme, that I am NOT a tourist, and do not pay cien. She quickly retort, "Of course, of course, and you're a nice guy."
I told her that I was not looking for ANYTHING, but just wanted a beer. I added that I would consider US$50, since she was a nice girl. She asked for US$60, and got it.
[QUOTE=SweetLemon]The standard quote is $100 USD for an "hour" (meaning they’ll do their level best to get you off in 10 minutes and then split), payment often expected in advance. Of course special arrangements can be made and there are outliers in every group, but the general terms and conditions seem to be no kissing, no BBBJ, no back door, routine indifference. The homely second stringers, though, seem a bit more amenable.[/QUOTE]The quoted US$100 is the gringo rate, not the rate that people like me, and CRT members, pay. When I hear cien, I simply start laughing, and pat the girl on the back like I got the joke. You have to bargain as though you were in the market. I do not pay sticker price for a car, so I am certainly not going to pay sticker for P4P.
I had a great GFE that involved more than vanilla sex. It included BBBJ, for example. It helps to be able to ask for it in Spanish. My limited experience tells me that if you treat the transaction like it's a mechanical action, then the girl will follow.
[QUOTE=SweetLemon]The standard quote is $100 USD for an "hour" (meaning they’ll do their level best to get you off in 10 minutes and then split), payment often expected in advance. Of course special arrangements can be made and there are outliers in every group, but the general terms and conditions seem to be no kissing, no BBBJ, no back door, routine indifference. The homely second stringers, though, seem a bit more amenable.[/QUOTE]The quoted US$100 is the gringo rate, not the rate that people like me, and CRT members, pay. When I hear cien, I simply start laughing, and pat the girl on the back like I got the joke. You have to bargain as though you were in the market. I do not pay sticker price for a car, so I am certainly not going to pay sticker for P4P.
I had a great GFE that involved more than vanilla sex. It included BBBJ, for example. It helps to be able to ask for it in Spanish. My limited experience tells me that if you treat the transaction like it's a mechanical action, then the girl will follow.
Jet set and sweet leamon.
I had a DR girl total la noache for 15K last night.
I have just retuned from a drink at the DR and had a triple belly offer of 25K.
I knew her 2 years ago and she has added 2 bellies. I said no and offered 15K where= as she said her friend a Nica with fine natural titas and single belly would go for 15K.
All the girls WANT cien. but I am too cheap and spoiled to pay. Heading down to 6th street and out too Pasao Colon tommorw.
I enjoy the troll through the MPs. each day, week, month brings new choices.
Out to La Grillion tonight to see if Tracy from Palufos is indeed working a new venue.
What ever you do Have fun.
[QUOTE=SweetLemon]First and foremost are the droves of thugs, bums, hustlers and lunatics hanging out in the area. They are not your typical annoying touts or low-key panhandlers one finds all over Latin America, and I’ve been everywhere in Latin America. No, it seems to be populated with the dodgier sort of riff raff one finds on skid row in a major US city. It’s advisable if you’re alone or not in a good sized group to take a taxi even for a few blocks. There seems to be no police presence in the area whatever and one gets the feeling that if you get into it with one of these guys, you’ll have a small army to contend with. There seemed to be at least half a dozen street rats loitering on every single corner and in front of every business making them totally unavoidable. I don’t like feeling that I’m not free to walk around and explore at night and here you definitely can’t. Or better put, definitely shouldn’t. Not that there is much to see in San Jose anyhow.[/QUOTE]
I haven't been to San Jose for 3 or 4 years. What you describe, SL, is very different from what I saw when I made 4 or 5 trips there.
I agree the city outside of the pedestrian mall is pretty ugly. The park is passable and the museum up the hill is nice, but most of the area has no esthetic at all. Even the university grounds (of UCR) didn't seem very well landscaped.
I walked around from one club to another; from Casablancas to Del Rey to Pantera Rosa at night and didn't have any difficulties. I didn't any roving gangs of anybody. I did see some homeless people collecting garbage. I did see drunken guys staggering about. I did see bouncers checking out the street in front of the club or restaurant they were working in.
I did see an occasional police car at night, but not often. I saw patrol officers much more often during the day time in the pedestrian mall area. The ATM area of a bank I use has a guard posted there 24/7. I didn't feel any real danger walking around at night though I don't recommend it to anyone who drinks a lot. I heard that 1 or 2 years ago that crime (muggings, pickpockets) in the Gringo Gulch area started rising.
[QUOTE=George90]I agree the city outside of the pedestrian mall is pretty ugly. The park is passable and the museum up the hill is nice, but most of the area has no esthetic at all. Even the university grounds (of UCR) didn't seem very well landscaped.[/QUOTE]I must disagree. I found San Jose to be no worse than any major USA City, including those where I lived. I did spend a day at UCR, and the place looked nice and clean, like any urban USA University.
San Jose is no Indonesia, but I found it better than some USA Cities.
Just like any major city, there are many parts of San Jose that are not safe to travel at night. Dark streets, parks, etc. Stay aware of your surroundings, move fast, take a taxi at night and stay with a group of people etc. and you should be alright.
I too have noticed some very aggressive undesirables around the Del Rey area.
San Jose is the chief metropolitan area of a lesser developed country and like any such city it has its more decrepit and dangerous parts. The reason for that is that, being a struggling developing country, they don't have nearly the same level of resources available to maintain the urban infrastructure that we take for granted here in the US. In that respect, it is no different from any other similar country and despite that it is not much worse than many cities in the US and is actually much NICER than many other cities I've been to in other countries. So rather than look down our noses at SJ and ignore our own shortcomings at home, we should appreciate SJ for what it is and what it has to offer. We should also understand that most western tourists, except for us twisted monger types, don't come to CR for its urban landscape but for what they can find out in the country. It makes some sense for them to poo-poo the city and head elsewhere. As for the mongers, if you hang out primarily in areas known for its bars, gambling and prostitution what do you really expect to find?
Some of what SweetLemon posted has some merit, but a lot of it misses the mark and seems to be based just on some superficial and abbreviated visit, where he spent most of his time in the highly non-representative area between the Presidente and the HDR (before prematurely fleeing the country altogether). I haven't been "everywhere in Latin America" like he has but I have been to every Central American capital city except Panama's, and many of its other larger cities as well, not to mention all the major cities of Colombia and Rio de Janeiro. Sure, Rio's embarcadero is nice, but there are plenty of hustlers in front of Helpe and go a few blocks back and up towards the favelas and tell me how nice and safe that city is. Rio is world renowned for its pickpockets. And Colombia, not CR, is on the US State department warning lists. And even for just Central America, as "bad" as it is in many ways, I'd put SJ ahead of just about any other major city I've been to there. The only corner where I ever see "at least half a dozen street rats loitering" is right outside the HDR. To say it is like that on every corner is a gross exaggeration.
Unlike most other latin american cities I've been, SJ is one of the only ones where being able to walk from venue to venue was even a possibility. Walking around by day in SJ is perfectly safe, unless you're totally oblivious to your surroundings. At night it is more hit or miss. I don't get drunk, know how to carry myself and know where not to go, and have walked around at night a lot of times with never an incident. However if you want to play it safe nowhere is more than a $2 cab ride apart.
And despite its reputation for being ugly, a charge no one else seems willing to retort, I would have to disagree. Okay, it is no Rio or BA, but they have their ugly parts too. It still beats places like Managua or Guatemala City or San Pedro Sula. The rooftops of Medellin or Teguciagalpa look pretty nice from the surrounding hills, but get down to street level and its a different story. SJ definitely has it share of ugly parts (like pretty much all of Avenida 2, the Zona Rosa, Coca Cola, etc.), but it also has its nice parks and plazas (like Sabana or Espana) neighborhoods (like Los Yoses or Amon). Your choice is whether to focus on the crime and pollution or on the positives that ARE there.
Finally, there are the chicas. I'll leave it to others to defend the chicas of CR more thoroughly. I'll just say this. While I know you can find better looking, more accomodating, and less expensive women in other places, the equation is not as simple as that. Chicas in CR are not as hopeless as SL made out. Sure, you'll find your mercenary bitches that stick to cien at the HDR as SL stated. But far more will come down from that rate than will stick to it and it is misleading to suggest that the ASKING rate is anything like the GOING MARKET rate. Sure special requests like anal may be standard fare in places like Rio and much less so in CR, but BBBJ's and FK at least are not at all rare in SJ as SL suggests and are actually the norm.
But what about the other parts of the equation. Can you fly to those other places, that SL finds so much better than CR, in less than 3 hours from Miami? Do those places have the wealth of other things to do and see that CR has? Are those other places as user-friendly for guys who are new to international mongering and who don't speak much spanish? Are those other places a center for sex tourism which draws in chicas from other countries and thus often has the cream of the crop as well as the variety?
As a frequent visitor to San jose for 5 years, I have noticed a general increase in the number of persons looking for handouts, leeches pushing phony cuban cigars and $20 viagra pills, but also more dangerously increased numbers of tranvestites and thugs in general all arounf the Del Rey.
Many old time visitors would say it was more safe to walk around at night for several blocks around the del Rey, not so any more.
Also, having been to Panama and noticing the police presence in the street around the hotels and casinos I realized that I never saw any police patrolling the area around the Del Rey.
Final word monger: with caution, the costa rican authorities know what we do and allow it, but won't go out of their way to offer protection. You're on your own.
From photo gallery ...
[QUOTE=Prolijo]I have thought about it. This sex-photo thread is a place to post and discuss photos, which is what I and others were doing. However, I was ready to turn the stage back to the photo posters and YOU chose to continue this worn out discussion with an inflammatory post that, btw didn't have any photos in it either.
I'm sorry if hearing opinions that differ from yours upsets you so much (not!). Personally, I don't think engaging in the P4P hobby has to mean you can't do it in a classy manner, although it very well might be true that YOU can't. You'll find many many posts, even on this board, by vets advising treating the girls with respect (at least to their face) and how that leads to getting better sessions from them. And posting photos of them against their wishes is a form of disrespect that can lead to bad sessions (or the refusal to pose for any more) IF it gets back to them, particularly for the original poster but to a lesser extent for everyone else as well due the general reduction in trust.
As far as my being "psuedo-intelligent", that's ps[u]eu[/u]do and there's nothing pseudo about it. I'd be more than happy to match wits with you anytime in real life.[/QUOTE]
Pro - true, I didn't post any pics with my previous post. Read the first part of my previous post again and you'll see why. Besides, following your lead, I thought it was a discussion thread, not a photo thread.
A face-to-face challenge huh? How very macho. I surrender to your intellectual superiority. I don't intend to visit the US in the forseeable future, so you'll have to fly to Dubai. ;)
As for respecting the girls, my posts over the years speak for themselves.
I welcome differences of opinion and useful criticism. Most of your posts are useful and informative. I'm simply saying that endless, multiple (and overly-repetitive) posts in the photo gallery criticizing photo-posters gets more than a little tedious. As I said before, you've made the same point many many times - enough already. (PS, apologies for my speling mistake. ;) I'm just an illiterate girl-disrespecting monger).
That's the end of the matter for me. Once the photo thread becomes a photo thread again, I'll again contribute there accordingly.
As Jackson suggests:
[QUOTE=Admin]
[blue]Hi Guys,
It's okay with me if you want to change this thread into a General Discussion instead of the [u][b]Photo Gallery[/b][/u], but at least let me know so I can start a new [u][b]Photo Gallery[/b][/u].
It's either that, or you can move your discussion to another thread and we can keep this thread as the [u][b]Photo Gallery[/b][/u].
[i]Thank You![/i]
Jackson[/blue][/QUOTE]Good idea Jackson - how about a photo chit-chat thread, ala Thailand, Phillipines etc.
Good enough, Piper. We'll agree to disagree and let it lie (well until the next time this flares up).
On a somewhat different subject, I'd like to add a couple of points.
I think that photo chit-chat is a good idea in theory and would be great if it actually worked. The only problem I see is, if we can't keep completely non-photo related subjects out of the current photo thread, how are we going to keep the reactions to the photos posted out of that thread even if there is another thread created for that purpose. And if the remarks are in reaction to a particular photo, placing those remarks in a seperate thread would make it a bit less clear what the poster was referring to. Still, I think your idea does warrant further consideration. Maybe someone else has some ideas for further refinements.
My other remark concerns the recent youtube video that kicked off this recent round of debate. Whether you guys felt it was right or wrong for him to post like he did, it has now been removed from the YouTube site for copyright infringement reasons. And the guy who posted it may be pursued for legal costs but at the very least has had his CRT membership revoked (banned for life actually), meaning no more CRT discount at his formerly favorite place, if he can even return there at all. I hope it was all worth it for him.
[QUOTE=Prolijo]Good enough, Piper. We'll agree to disagree and let it lie (well until the next time this flares up).
On a somewhat different subject, I'd like to add a couple of points.
I think that photo chit-chat is a good idea in theory and would be great if it actually worked. The only problem I see is, if we can't keep completely non-photo related subjects out of the current photo thread, how are we going to keep the reactions to the photos posted out of that thread even if there is another thread created for that purpose. And if the remarks are in reaction to a particular photo, placing those remarks in a seperate thread would make it a bit less clear what the poster was referring to. Still, I think your idea does warrant further consideration. Maybe someone else has some ideas for further refinements.
My other remark concerns the recent youtube video that kicked off this recent round of debate. Whether you guys felt it was right or wrong for him to post like he did, it has now been removed from the YouTube site for copyright infringement reasons. And the guy who posted it may be pursued for legal costs but at the very least has had his CRT membership revoked (banned for life actually), meaning no more CRT discount at his formerly favorite place, if he can even return there at all. I hope it was all worth it for him.[/QUOTE]Agreed also. (Glad you didn't take it all too seriously in the end).
As for photo chit-chat threads, they're not intended to make photo threads "photos-only". Members still make comments, but the idea is that long discussions or debates are shifted to the chit-chat thread.
I guess the youtube CRT guy will just have to sign up under a new name. ;) BTW, when I first arrived in CR, I went to Zona Blue and asked for my card, but they couldn't find it. They still offered me the CRT member discount. (They found my card later).
[QUOTE=Piper1]Agreed also. (Glad you didn't take it all too seriously in the end).
As for photo chit-chat threads, they're not intended to make photo threads "photos-only". Members still make comments, but the idea is that long discussions or debates are shifted to the chit-chat thread.
I guess the youtube CRT guy will just have to sign up under a new name. ;) BTW, when I first arrived in CR, I went to Zona Blue and asked for my card, but they couldn't find it. They still offered me the CRT member discount. (They found my card later).[/QUOTE]All but the "psuedo" part. I realize not everyone cares for my style of writing. Most people don't realize that my handle means long-winded, overly detailed and tedious in spanish. So I'm not so serious that I can't poke a little fun at myself or take it when others do. But that's all part of who I am. I'm not trying to put on any airs. If you meet me in person, I think you'll find I'm just as intelligent as I "seem on TV", although, I'm told, not quite as long-winded.
Re photo chit-chat thread: that sounds a bit more sensible but it still begs the question of once it starts how do you get all guys participating to restrict their additional comments to a different thread and for that matter how do you know which discussions or debates are long until they've ALREADY gotten out of hand. Still the idea could work and, for my part anyway, I'll try harder to keep my long replies elsewhere.
Re YouTube CRT guy: True, he could just sign-up under another handle. However he'd have a few difficulties:
a) Tommy has his name because he was foolish enough to put an e-mail address containing most of it at the end of the video which he could match up with membership information,
b) He can easily register for the board under an assumed name and make posts in the general section but it wouldn't be so easy for him to pay on-line for a VIP membership without using his real name, and
c) even if he manages to somehow get another CRT VIP card and maybe use it at some places, (or even if he doesn't and just says he's a VIP member) if he tries that at ZB he better hope Eddie doesn't see him since Eddie knows what he looks like and is actually hoping he'll try to show his face.
BTW, I don't know about this aspect but the ZB chicas might very well be aware of this little episode too and not be very happy about it (having their photos copied over to a website with a MUCH wider audience than one carefully targeted at just potential customers). If so, Eddie may very well have told them who this guy is and to be on the lookout for him as well.
I havn't seem much info on the Tico MP lately. I was in San Jose a month ago and visited the "Purple House" aka Cha-Cha-Cha. I was there in the late mornings and usually 3-6 chicas were present. I chose a 19 yo named Tatiana. Wow, what a nice session. I went back in a couple of days and she was not there so I chose a late 20s named Windy. She was more professional but equally great. Prices there are 8,000 colonies or about $15. for half hour. Rooms are more or less clean and have hot water shower and girls will shower with you. The girls also said they will go for a 3 some. All in all a very good experience but I think it is better to pay for an hour.
My buddy and I just spend 11 days in Costa Rica. 5 of those days were in Rainy San Jose.
We stayed three nights at the Sportmen's Lodge. And 2 nights at the Hotel Castillo.
As in an earlier post you do not really have to go to any other places to get laid. Everything is right there.
At the Sportmen's we staying in the cheapy rooms. They are next to the bar and socializing area. A bit noisy.
I like the Hotel Castillo and the Garden's Bar. It is a little more layed back. I got a better nights rest.
At the Sportmen's I can recommend Elizabeth for your cravings.
And the best for me, because I have a bad back and needed a massage was Angelica at the Sportmen's. $40. a hour for a straight massage. I have been getting massage for most of my life. She does one of the best massages I have ever had.
WT69 nice to see you made it to CR. Thanks for the pic.
Took me a while to get around to posting this, it's been a whirlwind since I got back...
Okay, my wing man and I got into Costa Rica in the late morning, went to the Morazan which was the only Gulch hotel we could get booked that wasn't an outrageous price. (I refuse to stay at the Presidente because I don't want anyone telling me what I can and cannot do but that's a whole other thread, let's not get into that HERE...)
Let me start out by introducing you to my Wing Man, D.:
He is a guy who loves the Del Rey and doesn't like massage parlors at all. He loves to look and look among all those girls for just the Right One - his "perfect fantasy girl". This of course can be very disappointing as his standards are high, and he particularly does not like them with more than an ounce or two of extra fat. Not my ideal "wing man" but he's a good friend so I put up with his weird ideas about mongering! ;-)
Me: I love the Del Rey game, especially when I can find someone to talk with (I am fluent) and make a connection with and have a good time, hang out for awhile before doing the deed, and maybe make a permanent friend.
On the other hand, I also love Zona Blue because of the no-nonsense approach and always high quality service. I personally find that the girls at Zona Blue are sexually Hotter - more into sex - than most of the ones at the Del Rey. But that is just a generalization and maybe it's just my luck of the draw as well. I like New Fantasy just fine when they have a good batch of girls there but I haven't seen that for the last couple times I've been down there. And Idem is a little too weird for me, I don't like the way the girls are all along the wall and the bar is separated from them, they can't move around as freely (or don't anyway) and so on. I've had a couple okay sessions there but nothing great. I don't get into the Paseo Colon or super cheap massage scene as those kinds of places just don't appeal to me. I like a little more of a social environment like the ZB. These are just my personal preferences.
So we checked into the Morazan and right away found out that they screwed us, did not reserve our two rooms as they promised us on the phone a few weeks previous and told us we'd have to share a room for the 1st night. Worse, instead of just fessing up that they booked one of our rooms to someone else, they tried to say it was a mistake: Yet they admitted they HAD our 2 separate rooms for the other nights, just not the first night. We said, "How does that make any sense? that we would want to share a room the first night, but not the other 4 nights??"
Well, long story shorter, after arguing with them about it for awhile, and pointing out how it was clear to us that they were just jerking us around, and how next time we might go to another hotel, they finally gave in and got us a 2nd room. It was unfortunate to have to start out our trip fighting with our hotel, but they were clearly just jerking us around and we were clearly not going to just let them do it without complaining. But it took a good half hour of complaining before they finally corrected it, AFTER we had given in and agreed to share one room, but they could see we were clearly unhappy about it. Ricky Ricardo as we call him was his usual pain in the ass self. He's like the price you pay for staying at what is otherwise a good bargain hotel.
Okay... So we go over to the Blue Marlin in the afternoon after eating some breakfast and showering and so on.
The selection on that Friday afternoon was incredible. I'd never seen such a high percentage of HOT babes, not even at night. One super hot girl, one of the most beautiful I've ever seen in my 15 years of going down there, came over to us with her not so hot friend and asked if we were interested and we both agreed she was a TEN but neither of us were in the mood at the moment so we declined. D. expected to get another chance with her, and I figured she was out of my price range as I refuse to pay over $80 and prefer to pay well under that.
That afternoon I went over to Zona Blue, looking for a hot lesbian encounter. Lesbians+Me are my "specialty" if you will, and I've had some of the hottest 3ways ever over at ZB, mostly with Pamela+her flavor of the day. This time I had heard there was a new brunette girlfriend of Pam's and I hoped I'd find them there and available. Pamela wasn't there when I walked in, nor were any of my other faves (Michel, Sharror, Naomi, etc.). So I sat down on the end of the couch (the bar was full) and waited.
Two minutes later, Pam walks in, I catch her eye, ask if she remembers me, she does, and asks me if I want a party. I say, "Yeah, but with you and who?" She points out a HOT tall brunette and I say "YES!" and she goes to talk with her. Turns out she is spoken for, so Pamela brings over Laura who she says is her sister.
She looks pretty sexy in her clothes and I love the idea that they might really be sisters, so I say yes, and we go back to their room.
I've had Pam+ other girls 3somes about 4 times now. My best session ever ws with Pam and Sharror who were like 2 wild animals sucking on me, it was like 2 sharks in a feeding frenzy, they were VERY enthusiastic and in the end Pam let me squirt in her mouth which I love, but was not at all expecting to get, so that was a very memorable session. My other very memorable session was my 1st lesbian session ever, with Pam and Naomi, who were also very enthusiastic.
Anyway, Pam got in the shower and I started taking fotos. She loves the camera! She always gets bummed whenever I put it AWAY! Then Laura came in and she showered and I took some shots of her too but she was very camera shy and I could see why: her belly was a little flabby, which I did not notice at all in her clothes, and she had some cellulite.
But nevertheless both were very enthusiastic both with each other and with me, and it seems that Pam and I have a chemistry where she knows what I want and when I want it and I love her "anything goes" attitude! They also both kiss which I love, and between kissing and sucking my dick I was a very happy man! Pam is simply an admitted nymphomaniac and she loves sex and that makes her a very good service provider!
The only downside to this session came at the end when I tipped them each 5k c and they twisted my arm to double that. I had just come from the bathroom where I saw a sign about how they aren't supposed to do that, and frankly it put a damper on an otherwise perfect memory. It isn't the money, it's just that I don't like being coerced into doubling my tip, and I don't like adding to the inflationary climate of the mongering economy in San Jose'. I gave in because they practically begged me and I'd have felt like a heel not to give them the extra 5k each. But I am going to discreetly report it at some point.
Back to the Blue Marlin...
It was Friday night and Dave and I went over to the BM to see what we hoped were hundreds of HOT Ticas, Nicas and so on.
After a while we looked at each other and said, "Man! The girls down here have to start going on diets!" We had never seen such a large percentage of fat chicks! And, I will add, just downright homely looking chicks, as well! We left and came back, then went to Key Largo later, and still: it was "fat night" at the Gulch! We were very disappointed and neither of us went with anyone that night.
The next day we went back in the afternoon hoping to find that first super hot chick who came over to us the previous afternoon and we could not find her anywhere. And the selection was nowhere near what it was the previous afternoon. We had a few beers and then left, decided to wait and see what the night would bring. We never did see that first super hot chick again. She must have been an "afternoon amateur".
That night, as well, was not what I remember Saturday nights to be, in my dozens of Saturday nights there. Just too damned many fat chicks, too damned many homely chicks, and the funny thing is they are showing off those fat bellies like they are proud of them! This is really getting to be a serious cultural difference! I mean, I'm not like my wing man, I can accept a coupla extra pounds. But really, these chicks are just downright FAT! This was by far the worst I've ever seen it in my 15 years of mongering there!
Finally a young petite thinnish girl named Ana came by - a Nica - and though she wasn't exactly my type I liked her spunk and she seemed very easy going and fun to be with , so I negotiated her down to $80 after we'd had a few drinks, and done some groping at the table, and we went back to my room. She was very good in bed, and we had a good time and she said she thought she could help me get a residency in CR, something I am trying to do for when I move there some day, and she knew an attorney who could "fix things like this", so I agreed that we'd go talk to her attorney and I offered to pay her a bonus if the attorney actually could get me a cheap residency. She did not ask for this money, I offered it because I thought it was more than worth it to me, if I could get this done, and she seemed legitimately into just helping me out, not working me for money....
Boy did I get that wrong!
So she shows up at my hotel room the next day, unannounced, and I let her up, and she comes in and we sit and talk. She wants to go down and gamble some at the slots and I really don't but agree to it anyway. I spend a few thou colones with her on that and then we go play some pool and drink beers over at the Monkey Bar and then she asks what I want to do. I say, "Well, I don't really have any plans" and she asks if I want to go back to the room and I say, "well, okay" and I agree to pay her another $80. I really don't like to repeat with the same girl 2 days in a row, but since we'd had a lot of fun playing pool and hanging out together, I said "what the hell?" and we went back to my room.
We have a good session, though nothing to write home about. ["Dear Mom..." ] ;-)
It's still early in the day so she asks what I am doing now and I say I don't know, probably go back over to the Del Rey and see if D's over there. She asks if she can go and I say okay. Then she hits me up for more slot machine action... I politely oblige... I am beginning to see how this girl is wrapping me around her finger, and usually I don't allow it but she is being so nice and we're having fun, so I let it happen. Then she asks me to buy her something to eat at the Del Rey and I agree. She orders something much higher priced than what I ordered. Now I'm wanting to get rid of her so I make an exit, but she says she'll call me the next day about teh attorney appointment.
I hang out with D. and he still isn't finding anyone he likes because he's so picky about not liking any belly fat, and so we just sit around and drink for awhile, flirt a bit, fend off advances, and go back to the hotel.
Next day, Ana calls me, says she'll be over in an hour and we'll go to the attorney. In a while she calls me from the desk and says it's time to go. I go expecting to get a taxi on my own and go with her, but she already has a "taxi" and her sister in the car. But it's not a taxi, it's a rogue, and I can see that she knows the driver - maybe her brother? - and I am feeling uneasy about this. I know at the least I am likely to get screwed on the cost of the taxi.
The guy doesn't realize I know San Jose like the back of my hand, so I notice he's driving the long way around and wasting time. No meter of course, and so I just know this is going to turn out bad. I know a scam when I see one.
So we get to the attorney's office and at least he is a real attorney. But of course her promise that he could fix things to get me a residency is pure b.s. and she is pushing for me to get married to some neighbor girl of her's to get it, and I am saying no I don't want to do that. I don't see what is in it for her if I marry her neighbor but she keeps pushing me to do it and I keep saying no.
However, the attorney does give me some other ideas on how I could get residency without having to deposit $60k U.S. which is about the only way you can legally do it unless you're collecting social security. So it wasn't a total waste of time, I got the guy's card and maybe in the future he can help me out. He seemed like a decent guy and was looking at Ana like "Oh, I see, another one of her crazy ideas!" I'm guessing she banged him regularly in exchange for her getting her residency. But I am just guessing of course, I don't KNOW anything about it.
Then, we go back to the hotel, and of course the "taxi driver" hits me up for like 10k colones and I say, no, that's b.s., I'll give you 4 k, I know how far we went. But then he explains that I have to pay for Ana's ride into town, too. In the end I negotiate down to 8k and write it off as an "I knew better" situation. I should have insisted right from the start that we take a real taxi.
Meanwhile, her sister (fat and ugly) is hanging around with her, and suddenly it is apparent that I am supposed to give Ana some money for taking me out to see the attorney so she can pay her sister some money she owes her. Of course I never agreed to any such thing. I explain that to her, and that I already paid her $80, bought her 2 dinners, and frankly I am running short on funds (true) and so do not have money to just give her. She says she HAS to give her sister money to get back home. I am wondering why her sister came in the first place, and how that is MY problem!? Now I'm getting really annoyed.
I tell her this and she begins begging me to just give her 5k c. so she can "get rid of her sister". Turns out that her sister and her have gambled all their money and neither of them have enough money to get home in a taxi. I say "So, take a bus!"
I explain that her sister is not my problem, and frankly, neither is she. I then give her a lecture about the stupidity of gambling all her money on slots when she hasn't got enough money to buy taxi rides home or food for her child (all that had come out during an earlier conversation). I see clearly now that she is a gambling addict and that this is why she is always scamming for money.
Well, this report is getting way too long, although there is more to the story... so suffice to say, this chick Ana was a total pain in my ass, she was working me every angle she could find out of the "Squeezing Money Out of Johns" handbook, and I was totally fed up with it! It finally ended somewhat ugly with me just walking away from her in anger and letting her know I did not wish to be bothered by her anymore. I'm all for helping out a girl, and I think I had been very accommodating to her, giving her an extra $80 session that I was not really interested in, buying her dinner and slots and so on. But now I'd had my fill and was tired of her games. So that was that.
I advise anyone to run when they see this girl coming! Not that she's a bad person. I really think it's her gambling addiction that is making her the way she is, otherwise I think she'd probably be okay. This is something I've seen with several of the girls, and it can really mess them up.
So... After all that...
My final night in San Jose I was sitting in the Del Rey with D. - he finally scored a very hot young thin "amateur" Dominican the night before! - and we both had our eyes on this young almost Italian looking chick with short hair. I kept ogling her and finally her and her friend came over. I talked to them a bit as did D., and after a few minutes they let it be known that they were lesbians, best friends, roommates, and were horny for each other because they hadn't seen each other for a few days, and they were interested in having a party with me back at my room. After I heard they were lesbians I was a goner, so I negotiated them down to $150 for the two and we went back to my room.
They went in the shower by themselves, first and had some fun together while I waited in my room. When they came out, they were obviously into it, and they ate each other out and took turns sucking me off, took turns riding me cowboy style, and so on and so forth. They were very good, but did not have the enthusiasm - no , it's beyond enthusiasm, it's more like a FRENZY - of Pamela-and-friends at ZB. By the way these BM lezbos were named Laura and Shirley. Shirley has long black hair and Laura has short reddish brown hair.
But anyway, they were fun, we had a good time, and it was great that I ended the week on a high note instead of the bad mood that Ana had put me in.
Overall it was a good week, I also got some business done, and I had quite a bit of fun, in spite of the problems here and there.
In all my 15 years of mongering in the Gulch and massage parlors I never did run into any chick who manipulated me the way Ana did. And the thing was I could see it coming, but I was just too easy going and let her get away with it. It could have been worse, she could have robbed me in that rogue taxi, or something. Oh,and by the way, it came to light that she does have a "gringo boyfriend" in the states who sends her money from time to time to help her out. I feel sorry for that guy, he must be a real chump.
Like I say, I don't think she's really a rotten apple, I just think she's got a gambling addiction that is out of control and it makes her do things she otherwise would probably not do.
A couple other comments:
I DID get ripped off, but I don't know who did it - the lezbo girls from the Blue Marlin or Ana. One of them stole my pepper spray, I'm not sure which. And one of them stole my comb and my hair conditioner. All in all, not too bad, but really, I've never had this happen in all my years there (except once someone else did steal my pepper spray) and I wonder if the girls in SJ are not maybe getting a little too desperate what with all the competition from Nicaragua, Colombia and so on.
While San Jose is still a great place for mongering, I am noticing a definite decline from what I would call the Golden Years of the 90's down there. Back then I never had problems with girls, the girls were thinner, and the prices were much lower. I hope the "cien" trend does not continue to get worse, or soon we WILL have to pay cien because all these idiot amateur mongers are going down there without a clue and giving the girls cien just because they ask nicely.
While I did pay $80 to each of the Blue Marlin girls I had, that was very unusual for me. When I was down there 6 months earlier I averaged more like $65, and even got 3 somes for $100 ($50 each) out of the BM. I admit that this time I wasn't in the mood for negotiating and so let my guard down a little. But still, I never paid over $80 and I always took photos too.
Johnny, I have enjoyed this report and many others you have posted before and think of you being a pro in the handling of the girls in san jose, so I surprized to see where you let this girl get up on you this way! I really never do a girl twice and to do a girl back to back (next day) I would expect some free pussy along the way. Just seemed a little weird that you went down that road. Since you said she was ok in the sack. I to like to gamble and I sometimes get involded with the girls with the fix or need to gamble. I have tried when playing cards with girls at the dl. When they go broke and ask for 5000. I tell them up front that its coming off the sex rate. I ask them before what they charge for the room (I never agree on more than 60. 00) if they say higher. And I always warn them before they say it. That its not my first time in san jose and watch what they say. If they say 100. 00 I tell them flat out goodbye! But if we agree on 60. 00 and I throw them 5000 a few times I take it off the the sex rate. Well as one could guess. It has only worked out once for me. The other times once back in the room. It goes back to 60. 00 or 50. 00 and the money given was like a dream that never happened. But it is fun to gamble with them. And I have found, if you make a plan for the next day with a cheaper price 20, 000 early in the am sex. They have all shown up and has worked out. Sorry to hear about the fat girls as I love spinners and my trip is 3 weeks away! I to make my rounds at zona blue but have never taken pamela as she just dosnt do it for me. But is always nice to me. You must hit the new york bar (maybe you do) but on my last 2 trips my best finds have been from there and cheap. And I like how you can leave and come back and it something new is sitting there. So I play the dr, keylargo and ny bar. Also hit the morazon bar late (and found so freaky drunk girls in there) but as I find in san jose. Where ever you go. Just take the time to wait. As the longer you send at wherever you are. Something will happen. Just let it.
Can anyone help with some info on Atlantis? I love the idea of getting to know a stripper and having some fun! The ad for Atlantis shows some rather high class and sexy looking strippers! Is it poosible to spend some 'time' with them? I do not mind paying a little extra if the quality is there.
[QUOTE=Thone]Can anyone help with some info on Atlantis? I love the idea of getting to know a stripper and having some fun! The ad for Atlantis shows some rather high class and sexy looking strippers! Is it poosible to spend some 'time' with them? I do not mind paying a little extra if the quality is there.[/QUOTE]This place has the reputation as being a clip joint. The prices for the drinks and chicas is higher at Atlantis than most other places in San Jose. The chicas are very pretty though.
[QUOTE=Thone]Can anyone help with some info on Atlantis? I love the idea of getting to know a stripper and having some fun! The ad for Atlantis shows some rather high class and sexy looking strippers! Is it poosible to spend some 'time' with them? I do not mind paying a little extra if the quality is there.[/QUOTE]Went once (with my novia) & walked out. It's large, comfortable & Gringo-oriented. There are only large chairs; no couches, so in my case with my novia it was not acceptable (no way to get close). It's also expensive, $20 a pop (even for your gal if you bring one) for 2 drinks. It was also pretty much dead. My gal was definitely NOT impressed & we headed back to Lipstick which suits our needs.
Dan D.
Atlantis is a 'Tourist Trap" designed for those that don't know. Most taxis will try to get you there due to the commission they receive. On my visit as soon as I walked in and saw the waiter's attire I knew I was in trouble(they were in tuxedos). I sat down,got the pricing scheme and I do mean "scheme" and out the door I went w/o ordering a drink.
If strippers are your thing,cruise by Pantera Rosa,Kamur or D'pelufo's the later having the best lineup but onsite options are limited.
Enjoy!
[QUOTE=Alias]No, I'm looking for places that are out of the way, local slums and dives (seedy even), where I can find some cheap pussy.
I've heard some guys say you can go to massage palors and only pay $25, and that's reasonable.
But can you hook up with more than one girl?
I usually need 3-4 ladies at a time and they need to be nasty (PSE, GFE, DFK, BBBJTCIM, ANAL, ATM, FACIALS, SWALLOW, etc).
I like to line them up in a row and play musical chairs with them (that's where you give one chick a few strokes, pull out and shove your dick in the mouth of the next one for a few sucks and licks, then pull out pound the next one. I especially like playing this game when it's anal play as the blow job girls usually end up with some shit in their mouths;.) he he he. Yes, I'm perverted and exploitive)[/QUOTE]
This is a joke, right?
[QUOTE=ChiliMike]Johnny, I have enjoyed this report and many others you have posted before and think of you being a pro in the handling of the girls in san jose, so I surprized to see where you let this girl get up on you this way! I really never do a girl twice and to do a girl back to back (next day) I would expect some free pussy along the way. Just seemed a little weird that you went down that road. Since you said she was ok in the sack. I to like to gamble and I sometimes get involded with the girls with the fix or need to gamble. [edit]You must hit the new york bar (maybe you do) but on my last 2 trips my best finds have been from there and cheap. And I like how you can leave and come back and it something new is sitting there. So I play the dr, keylargo and ny bar. Also hit the morazon bar late (and found so freaky drunk girls in there) but as I find in san jose. Where ever you go. Just take the time to wait. As the longer you send at wherever you are. Something will happen. Just let it.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the kind words.
I know, I was "off my game" letting that chick rope me in the way I did. The reason for it was that I was really hoping for some help with getting a cheap residency from an attorney that maybe could "fix" some papers...
So I let that carrot dangling in front of me affect my judgment.
In the end there was no real harm done, just one afternoon of bullsh*t, dealing with her and her sister, and the taxi cab driver and so on. In the end it makes for an interesting experience and even though I KNEW better, now I really know better...
You win some and you lose some. Like I say, I almost never go for repeats 2 days in a row, this may have been a first, or no more than a 2nd.
Let me clarify here, because I got one pm about this - I am NOT saying that all the BM girls are fat, by any means. There are still some thin ones around. It's just that the overall picture is one of girls who need to start dieting and doing some exercise! ;)
I have not checked out the NY Bar - everytime I've looked in I have never seen much happening in there. Guess it's a place to just hang and wait...
Johnny Sax:
GREAT REPORT!
Alias: LOL funny
[QUOTE=Alias]Hi,
Does anyone have any information on the wh0rehouse and street walker scene in San Jose?
I'm considering as to whether or not I should go down to Costa Rica for some adult adventure.
But I'm not looking for anything like Del Ray (at least from the descriptions that I've heard. No offense to those who love it but I can pay $100+ here in the US).
No, I'm looking for places that are out of the way, local slums and dives (seedy even), where I can find some cheap pussy.
I've heard some guys say you can go to massage palors and only pay $25, and that's reasonable.
But can you hook up with more than one girl?
I usually need 3-4 ladies at a time and they need to be nasty (PSE, GFE, DFK, BBBJTCIM, ANAL, ATM, FACIALS, SWALLOW, etc).
I like to line them up in a row and play musical chairs with them (that's where you give one chick a few strokes, pull out and shove your dick in the mouth of the next one for a few sucks and licks, then pull out pound the next one. I especially like playing this game when it's anal play as the blow job girls usually end up with some shit in their mouths;.) he he he. Yes, I'm perverted and exploitive)
AnyHoo, back to the wh0res and street walkers.
Does anyone know of any areas?
I've heard that zona rojo and Coca-cola were pretty slummy.
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]
Yes, the Coca Cola and Zona Roja are pretty slimy, not to mention dangerous after dark. You can find crack *****s all around the area, but I wouldn't recommend that.
Try the area about 3-4 blocks due south of the Del Rey. You can find some girls that are a little "different" there! ;)
Just kidding.
Really, I don't think Costa Rica is the place for you. I'm not sure where is the place for you.
Pensiones onCalle 6, Dungeon, and Jetset are the kind of places you are looking for qbout $14 per girl on site. Invite them to your hotel $25 -50 for longer sessions. Make sure how many girls per room the hotel allows.
My wingman and I usually have a total of 3 - 4 girls per session makes a nice size pile.
Other places for a group grope Saphires 2 chicas for 1 hour 15,000 colones and La Mansion 2 for 20,ooo colones and Oasis 2 for 30,000. Zona Blue and New Fantasy offer doubles for double the price with CRT discount that would be about 85 dollars for 1hour at Zona Blue.
J
You've made some good points Prolijo. I just happen to agree. I'll be there next week enjoying myself for a couple of days. Peace!
[QUOTE=Alias]Well guys. I've pretty much decided to take the trip to Costa Rica (this week) but I need one last bit of advice to determine if Costa Rica is for me.
What type of latinas are are San Jose?
Those of an Indian heritage or those of an European heritage.
My personal preference is a women with brown skin and a broad nose (see attached photo. I know she is probably dominican but I've been there more times than I care to count).
Can I find a women like her in abundance in San Jose?
Where?
If not Costa Rica, what Latin American country would you recommended?
Thanks in Advance.[/QUOTE]
There are not girls like this in abundance in Costa Rica. Costa Rica was settled by Spaniards, thus they have a more Spanish/European look for the most part, not like Guatemala which has more of these types of girls. Check out the Guatemala section here, I really don't know anything about Guatemala p4p.
[QUOTE=ThunderPants]Pensiones onCalle 6, Dungeon, and Jetset are the kind of places you are looking for qbout $14 per girl on site. Invite them to your hotel $25 -50 for longer sessions. Make sure how many girls per room the hotel allows.
My wingman and I usually have a total of 3 - 4 girls per session makes a nice size pile.[/QUOTE]
Just to clarify, that was not me asking about group gropes, it was Alias.
I like the girl you posted. Most people probably won't, they'll tell you she's too plump. But I like her....
You are better off going somewhere in the Caribbean for "brown skin/broad nose" types. This might seem like a vintage 1960s American stereotype...sorry in advance...but you're almost perfectly describing a gal found where there was a whole lot of African ancestry in the mix. Brazil and the Caribbean Isles, especially Cuba, are good alternatives. So is The Philippines, if you go for Oriental types. Good luck.
I'm planning a trip over Thanksgiving to either San Jose or Santo Domingo. I haven't been to SJ for over a year, but enjoyed my first visit there. I've been to SD about seven times, mainly because I have a non-pro down there.
In SJ, I enjoyed the close proximity to where the girls are and the atmosphere of the Blue Marlin and Key Largo. It appears the price of girls and hotels are pretty much the same in both places, $80 for chica and $50-$60 for hotels. One thing I don't like about SD is getting slammed by the cost of a cab, even if just for a few miles $3, airport $30, shit like that.
Guess I'm looking for someone who has been to both places recently, to chime in and sway my vote. I stayed at the Morazan my first time, and didn't love it, but it was close and reasonable.
Alias,
I overheard this in the hallway.
In a very deep resonating voice:
"Luke, I am your father, Darth Vader, Lord of the Dark Side" "Princess Leia, is only out to get your money, son". "don't trust her. "
I got a kick out of the two threads from Alias & Member 2666. In the Photo Gallery section.
Just what we needed. A little comic relief into the serious business of mongering. The first one with photos of gals going down on each other. And then the one from you (Alias) saying you concured that you like those types of women.
Keep up the good work Alias. And maybe you will run into Pamela from Zona Blue, (I don't know her, except for what has been said about her here). Perhaps if your lucky, Pamela may have 'one of her special friends with her' and then you to can. Explore the 'dark side". LOL: p
Pura Vida Brother
Get Don's map have the location of all the cheap MP's in San Jose.
[url]www.dongordo.com[/url]
[QUOTE=Alias]Well guys. I've pretty much decided to take the trip to Costa Rica (this week) but I need one last bit of advice to determine if Costa Rica is for me.
What type of latinas are are San Jose?
Those of an Indian heritage or those of an European heritage.
My personal preference is a women with brown skin and a broad nose (see attached photo. I know she is probably dominican but I've been there more times than I care to count).
Can I find a women like her in abundance in San Jose?
Where?
If not Costa Rica, what Latin American country would you recommended?
Thanks in Advance.[/QUOTE]
I agree with others who have said that you are not likely to find htat type of look in abundance in Costa Rica. However, in San Jose I have seen that type of look [i]sometimes[/i]. She has ALWAYS been from somewhere else, such as Colombia, Panama, or Dominican Republic.
I have lots of her look in DR. But if you want to try a new place, then I suggest Curacao and the Campo Alegre. There is a wide variety of chicas there including the look you like.
I been reading this forum for sometimes now and just join recently, first let me start by telling you a bit about myself and why I posted this message.
I work for a Marine company (I am not a seaman) and I have traveled most of the Far East (Singapore, Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Thai land, Vietnam, China) and Easter Europe (Romania, Croatia, Ukraine, Russia) and last India. I have never ever paid neither 100.00+ nor 90.00 USD, all of these countries I just named I put out 15.00 to 30.00 USD in the Far East and Easter Europe 20.00 to 60.00usd (60 was 1 time in Russia St. Petersburg only!). In these countries I stick out like Taliban A FOREIGNER and I do not speak 1 world of their language. You pay for 1 hour or 30 minuets if you shoot 1 Shot in 5 min she is out the door it is over. These are normal country girls with kick ass natural bodies no plastic what so ever.
I am traveling to Costa Rica for the first time for 3 nights, I know for a fact there are 2 types of *****s in this world.
1 The local *****es that local people go and that taxi drivers know abut and have no commitments to any company working on commission and 2 the *****es that patrol all the casinos and touristic areas where foreigner get sucker.
It is sad what I am reading that most pay 100+ for a laid, well if you have the money good for you. My advice to you all; if you know that the country you are going allow prostitution or is infested with RED ZONE then there should be enough for every one at a low cost. These girls in Central and South America are broke like joke places. It only cost so much because you have allow it and pay for it. Most likely there is an American or European Pimp or some guy that has seem to many movies
I thank you for the advise for the friendly hotels that allow girl to come back with low fees.
Ps The most beautiful woman in the world come from Russian and Ukraine, every other girl looks like a model of a magazine.
Just pulled into the SL tonite, three hours ago. Nice place, room right near the bar, but I brought my high noise travel fan and it shouldn't be a problem sleeping.
Several Ticas available, high female to male ratio around 9:30 pm. The 20 yo old hottie quoted $100 to start, immediately backed down to $80, but I quickly lost interest. Pretty sure I'll nail her this week for $50. Doing my best to keep prices down.
BTW, saw a post on the CR threads that someone got stopped with a copy of their passport and it wasn't "good enough" for the police. The airport has a sign advising you to carry just copies of your passport.
Do NOT rent a car, it's crazy to do so.
Go get them. And remember keep it $50.00 and under for the time of your life.
No need to ever pay $100.00 You might as well marry her.
Regarding my previous post, I just arrive from San Jose.
First let me start, I arrive at 11:30PM really the only descent place open is around Del Ray Casinos, the food sucks! The girls are nothing then what Central American can offer. The transvestites (TICOS) WOW they can fool you they look way hotter then the locals but thank GOD for the TAXI to watch your back.
So first night at Del Ray, went to eat with my buddy BOOM 2 girls (1 Tica and the other Nica) come to the table with $100each, within 7Min out the door for $30 each and the motel 14.00.
If you are only in Costa Rica to get your Banana Pealed and want to pay the 150.00 bucks a night for a room in Del Ray or the Sport Lodge and want a very expensive driver to show you the local places then you are in the right place.
If you are going to Costa Rica to enjoy the country and various activities and get your Banana Pealed then stay in one of the Local Hotel Such as THE DON CARLOS HOTEL. This place is classy and at 90.00 per night my buddy and I got the family room that can accommodate us in 2 separate rooms, Yes it is true that you are not able to bring girls back to your room EVEN BETTER this means no loud noises and you sleep like a baby every night, every one that I spoke to about the Del Ray mostly complain about the noisy next door neighbors. From the Don Carlos Hotel next door and I mean next door is your best friend that you ever wanted (NEW FANTASY) brothel house for 20.00 you get 30min and 40 1 hour. You get a selection of 9 to 20 girls and after you finish they give you free bottle water and candy.
On Sunday I met a taxi driver his name was Mario (397-1876 or 235-2041) I was sick of the tourist food that San Jose offered and I explain what I wanted and he delivered 110% in food and girls. He took us to a massage/brothel place near our hotel were he is a local customer and for 4000 colones that is about 8.00/usd we got the works with local girls. He waited inside the place until we fished and he then took us back to our hotel and he only wanted 15.00/usd for his services. We then asked him to be in our hotel at 8am next day as we needed to buy souvenirs and again he delivered 110%, he took us to the local market were we got some good breakfast, great souvenirs we saved $$$ and since we had a little of time he took us to a massage/brothel WOW this men knows his TICA places and then he took us to the airport (he only wanted 25.00 we gave him 35.00)
This man I recommend and he speaks English, well my opinion talk to the locals outside the hotels, DO NOT PAY 50.00 OR 100+ FOR A GIRL. Save your money and enjoy costa rica and later get some desert at night.
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[QUOTE=Habilio1]He took us to a massage/brothel place near our hotel were he is a local customer and for 4000 colones that is about 8.00/usd we got the works with local girls. He waited inside the place until we fished and he then took us back to our hotel and he only wanted 15.00/usd for his services... he took us to a massage/brothel WOW this men knows his TICA places[/QUOTE]That's fantastic. Good for you, Habilio!
I am sure that the rest of us would also like to know the Tica places you are talking about.
It would be great if you share the actual names and/or addresses of these fine establishments with us.
That is really what this forum is all about, right? In fact, according to the first entry in Jackson's FAQ it is the sole purpose.
Because without the information, such a report really doesn't help any of us, does it?
Thanks in advance for your help!
DB
You act like you got such a great deal at that hotel. 90. 00 sounds alot more than 50. 00 (which I spend at sportmen) and 35. 00 I spend at morazan. And can have the girl in my room when ever I want. That great place your guide to you to (my guess) is 6th street. Which you can get *****s for 6. 00. You said 8. 00 so maybe your guide (pimp) was making 2. 00 off of you. I once need a room for my first nite. At before I even made it to the front desk at don carlos. The door man said. Sorry sir this is not the type of hotel you are looking for. Which he was right. Since this is a site for guys looking to fuck *****s. Maybe you should post your hotel reviews on yahoo. Or orbit. Again why would anyone want to stay in a hotel if you can't bring a girl back to it.
it sounds like he's talking about one of the pensiones type places on calle 6 but the women there are so disgusting i wouldn't touch them with your dick.
i'm also pretty surprised, if he's really a veteran of the far east (and its famous ladyboy/katoeys), that he was so "wow"ed let alone fooled by the tico transvestis or that he thought they looked so hot, since they've always seemed pretty obvious to me and pitiful looking compared to what one sees all the time in the los.
as for the don carlos, i've stayed there a few times. it will be very quiet when you get back late at night after going about town (walk on tiptoes on the tiled floors so as not to disturb the early-to-bed crowd), but can get pretty noisy early in the morning (starting around 6am) when all the eco-tourists get up, grab breakfast and try to get ready for their 7am day tour pickups (which is fine if you are one of them). if you really want quiet, i recommend the hotel castillo just a few doors up the hill from there. the rooms are just about as good, the price is lower, they allow chicas with no fee, and i never heard a peep from my neighbors
[QUOTE=Dodger Bulldog]That's fantastic. Good for you, Habilio!
I am sure that the rest of us would also like to know the Tica places you are talking about.
It would be great if you share the actual names and/or addresses of these fine establishments with us.
That is really what this forum is all about, right? In fact, according to the first entry in Jackson's FAQ it is the sole purpose.
Because without the information, such a report really doesn't help any of us, does it?
Thanks in advance for your help!
DB[/QUOTE]
How can you critiicize this report for lacking information? Apparently not as the great master believes it should be nominated as a Report of Distinction. It must meet all the criteria. Oh wait, it is simply from a new member and longer than 2 sentences.
Now it is not a bad report and I appreciate any new member contributing information. But Report of Distinction, come on.
Hello guys I am sorry if you think I am not helping the forum. You are going to visit a country that is infested with Prostitutes. When I began to read the forum I was amaze what people are paying for CENTRAL AMERICAN GIRLS!
You think that local people pay 60 to 150 dollars for a girl, COME ON! The monthly average income for a working person IN COSTA RICA is about $300/usd. You think local men go to del ray to get girls, HELL NO they know where thing are for locals.
This is all you need Mr Mario(397-1876 or 25-2041). He does not have to baby sit you, just call him tell him what you want and he will take you. If you do not like it tell him and he will accommodate you. If you want plastic looking girls stay in the del ray or the casinos.
Keep paying 100 dollars, by December they will be asking for 150, like the previous poster said for that just married her.
Next Trip place is Dominican Republic.
Habilio1,
A couple of questions. Since when do rooms at the Sportsmens Lodge (not the "Sport Lodge") or Del Rey cost $150? Do you really think your taxista's offer of $25 for a trip to the airport is a good deal?
Also, have to agree with others that more details are in order.
Don't mean to be too critical, but I am dumbfounded that your report could possibly be considered as a "report of distinction!"
[QUOTE=Habilio1]You think that local people pay 60 to 150 dollars for a girl, COME ON! The monthly average income for a working person IN COSTA RICA is about $300/usd. You think local men go to del ray to get girls, HELL NO they know where thing are for locals.[/QUOTE]
You are not local people... you are a gringo tourist, so expect to pay gringo tourist prices. I'm not being a smart-ass, just telling you the truth.
[QUOTE=Habilio1]Regarding my previous post, I just arrive from San Jose.
First let me start, I arrive at 11:30PM really the only descent place open is around Del Ray Casinos, the food sucks! The girls are nothing then what Central American can offer. The transvestites (TICOS) WOW they can fool you they look way hotter then the locals but thank GOD for the TAXI to watch your back.
[/quote]
No offense, but if you think those travestis are hot, you may need glasses. They are hot FOR TRAVESTIS, but anyone can see they are not real chicas!
[QUOTE=Habilio1]
So first night at Del Ray, went to eat with my buddy BOOM 2 girls (1 Tica and the other Nica) come to the table with $100each, within 7Min out the door for $30 each and the motel 14.00.
[/quote]
Very good job if you really got them for $30 each. Forgive me if I'm a little skeptical, but if you did get them for that, good job!
[QUOTE=Habilio1]
If you are only in Costa Rica to get your Banana Pealed and want to pay the 150.00 bucks a night for a room in Del Ray or the Sport Lodge and want a very expensive driver to show you the local places then you are in the right place.
If you are going to Costa Rica to enjoy the country and various activities and get your Banana Pealed then stay in one of the Local Hotel Such as THE DON CARLOS HOTEL. This place is classy and at 90.00 per night my buddy and I got the family room that can accommodate us in 2 separate rooms, Yes it is true that you are not able to bring girls back to your room EVEN BETTER this means no loud noises and you sleep like a baby every night, every one that I spoke to about the Del Ray mostly complain about the noisy next door neighbors.
[/quote]
Or you can stay at the Morazan for $45/night including taxes and safe key, no chica fees, and one block to the Del Rey and Key Largo!
The Don Carlos is not chica friendly, so why promote it here? Hell, you can stay in dozens of places that aren't chica friendly if that's your game. Yes, the DC is across from New Fantasy, so that's cool, but who wants to pay $90/night for a non-chica-friendly hotel and be with the families and eco-tourists who get up at 6am dragging the rug rats around and waking yer ass up after you've been out mongering til 2-3am?
[QUOTE=Habilio1]
From the Don Carlos Hotel next door and I mean next door is your best friend that you ever wanted (NEW FANTASY) brothel house for 20.00 you get 30min and 40 1 hour. You get a selection of 9 to 20 girls and after you finish they give you free bottle water and candy.
[/quote]
I don't recall EVER seeing 20 girls in New Fantasy. Maybe 12-15 max, on a good day. And the last 3 times I've been in there, the selection was average at best; I moved on down to Zona Blue. But hey if it's good it's good. You can stay at the Morazan for $45/night, and walk down there in the morning, it's only about a 6 block walk. At night you can take a cab there for $2 or so, just tell them you're going to the Don Carlos, not the New Fantasy so you don't have any problems with the driver asking for commissions.
[QUOTE=Habilio1]
On Sunday I met a taxi driver his name was Mario (397-1876 or 235-2041) I was sick of the tourist food that San Jose offered and I explain what I wanted and he delivered 110% in food and girls. He took us to a massage/brothel place near our hotel were he is a local customer and for 4000 colones that is about 8.00/usd we got the works with local girls. He waited inside the place until we fished and he then took us back to our hotel and he only wanted 15.00/usd for his services.
[/quote]
$15 sounds like a lot for a trip to a place NEAR your hotel and they wait for something like $4/hour if I recall, so I think you got gouged a bit. In fact, I just found the NEW prices for taxis, as follows:
First Kilometer: ¢365 to ¢405
Additional Kilometre ¢340 to ¢380
Waiting - per hour ¢2.015 to ¢2.205
Stalled in traffic per hour ¢3.400 to ¢3.800
So waiting is about $4/hour. I think you overpaid a bit, but okay, he gave you some good leads on girls, apparently, but you have neglected to tell us a name or location of this super cheap place. How did the girls look there? Any photos?
[QUOTE=Habilio1]
We then asked him to be in our hotel at 8am next day as we needed to buy souvenirs and again he delivered 110%, he took us to the local market were we got some good breakfast, great souvenirs we saved $$$ and since we had a little of time he took us to a massage/brothel WOW this men knows his TICA places and then he took us to the airport (he only wanted 25.00 we gave him 35.00)
[/quote]
Okay, so he took you to the local market - that's about a $2 ride. He waited while you shopped, that might have been another $4, max. Then he took you to another brothel, (again: where? and what is the name?) so that might have been another $4 max, and then to the airport, a $15 ride I think it is, now, so all in all, that's about $25 (MAXIMUM - it was probably less because you probably did not spend an hour eating or an hour at the massage parlor) which is what he charged you and you gave him a 40% tip. That's great for not making us look like dumb tourists throwing too much money around!
[QUOTE=Habilio1]
This man I recommend and he speaks English, well my opinion talk to the locals outside the hotels, DO NOT PAY 50.00 OR 100+ FOR A GIRL. Save your money and enjoy costa rica and later get some desert at night.
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Personally, I've always found that taxi drivers are a last resort. They are only looking for a commission from some recommended place 95% of the time, and usually I've found their recommendations lacking. You were happy with the recommendations, so good for you - I guess it was worth it to you. But how many times have you been to Costa Rica? What do you have to compare it to? There are lots of dirt cheap massage parlors around, some of us like them and some of us don't, but I doubt there are many (or any?) that aren't on the lists here, that you can go without a taxi driver to tell you where it is and wait for you while you go in and out. Why pay to wait when you can just get another cab when you're done?
NO offense, Habilio1,it's just that you walk into town here and act like you know everything just because you had some taxi driver show you a few places that you could have found here anyway. Then for some unfathomable reason the EDITOR wants to call this a report of distinction, and it seems that the rank and file here seem to disagree with him. Well it's his site and I really don't give a rodent's behind whether it's posted as a "Report of Distinction" or not, but I just don't see how it's anything all that informative.
But anyway, thanks for the report. Really. But next time, tone down the attitude and give us some names and locations, please.
[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Kid Brooklyn]You are not local people... you are a gringo tourist, so expect to pay gringo tourist prices. I'm not being a smart-ass, just telling you the truth.[/QUOTE]You do speak the truth, but a visitor like me does not pay the gringo prices. As I once said to a HDR girl in Spanish, "You are certainly worth cien, but I do not pay tourist prices. Cien is for the gringo North Americans. " She laughed and retorted that since I was a nice guy who spoke a little Spanish, she would not charge me such rates. I thanked her very much, got her a glass of wine, and said that I was embarrassed that I only had US$30 for her. She took it.
[QUOTE=Professor 1]You do speak the truth, but a visitor like me does not pay the gringo prices. As I once said to a HDR girl in Spanish, "You are certainly worth cien, but I do not pay tourist prices. Cien is for the gringo North Americans. " She laughed and retorted that since I was a nice guy who spoke a little Spanish, she would not charge me such rates. I thanked her very much, got her a glass of wine, and said that I was embarrassed that I only had US$30 for her. She took it.[/QUOTE]What makes you think that even $30 is the tico price? How many ticos do you see in th HDR taking chicas out for $30? And how many BM chicas are there really that would settle for $30 unless it was really just for a rush job (so they can get back to the BM for the real money) or one of the truly homely puta wannabees. Even the just moderately attractive shouldn't have to work too hard to find plenty of guys that would pay $10-$20 more or even double or more than the $30 you say you paid. And that is still much more than the $8/hr Habillo says he paid at his mystery place elsewhere in SJ.
The ticos don't go to places like the BM for pussy because it is already way overpriced even at the $30 you say you paid. They go to sleazy MP's and brothels much more akin to places like Muses, cha cha cha, etc. where the girls are usually ugly, the GRINGO price is $20-25/hr and we can only guess at the price that they're allowed to pay.
Whether you want to believe it or not, whether you're a visitor or an expat, there is a gringo price and there's a tico price. You can try to hide the fact that you're a gringo (speaking spanish might help a little, though Habillo boasted about sticking out like a foreigner not speaking 1 world of their language), but once you show up and open your mouth they'll know who you are and assume by that that you have more money then most ticos. You may get a discount over the inflated list price, but you'll never get the same rate that poor locals pay.
You and Habilio keep talking about the Cien like it is the normal price gringos PAY when it isn't at all. It is the normal chica ASKING price and the price that [u]SOME[/u] STUPID gringos pay. I seriously doubt there are many guys on this board that normally pay anywhere near that price.
[QUOTE=Professor 1]You do speak the truth, but a visitor like me does not pay the gringo prices. As I once said to a HDR girl in Spanish, "You are certainly worth cien, but I do not pay tourist prices. Cien is for the gringo North Americans. " She laughed and retorted that since I was a nice guy who spoke a little Spanish, she would not charge me such rates. I thanked her very much, got her a glass of wine, and said that I was embarrassed that I only had US$30 for her. She took it.[/QUOTE]
Even back more than 5 years ago when I was last in CR at Del Rey & other close locations, $50 during the day and $80-100 at night was the norm. While there will always be exceptions, paying $30 is hard to believe (as someone else said). Although I can say I got it for $0 several times but that's because I lived there for more than a year and they knew I was a nice guy. I frequently bought them lunch so I'd have someone to eat with. One of those had a day job and woke up to go off to her real job. My regular GFE gave me a freebie with her lesbian GF for my birthday one time too (could have skipped that...it was not a great experience!). I didn't expect it for free and when I did it was a nice gesture to show they liked me.
Offering $30 for sex will certainly narrow the field of opportunity. The girls back 5+ years ago would have laughed at you and moved on quickly. Can't imagine they have gotten much softer.
David B.
[QUOTE=Prolijo]You and Habilio keep talking about the Cien like it is the normal price gringos PAY when it isn't at all. It is the normal chica ASKING price and the price that [u]SOME[/u] STUPID gringos pay. I seriously doubt there are many guys on this board that normally pay anywhere near that price.[/QUOTE]
You're right on the money. When I lived there 5+ years ago, I generally only took them in the day. They generaly asked for and got $50. There were enough guys rolling in and out of there that they had a good chance of getting picked up if they held their ground. I used to negociate for some gringos too that couldn't speak enough spanish.
You have to live someplace like that a long time to get to know the girls well enough that they're going to cut you much of a break. You'll never get tico prices - that's for sure. Back when I was there, you wouldn't even see ANY ticos hanging out at places like Del Rey...except maybe in the casino. They knew the girls weren't coming down to their levels. You'd have to hit one of the places closeby to get a break (like 747 that was open back then).
I saw the video that someone posted on U-Tube and I've gotta say that the girls were NEVER that overweight when I was there. They've really porked up.
David B.
[QUOTE=Habilio1]Next Trip place is Dominican Republic.[/QUOTE]
Hate to break the news to you, you're not going to get girls in DR for $8 either (if I recall correctly, it was generally about $30 though if you picked them out of a bar on a slow night). Lived in Sosua 6 months and from the looks of the postings of yours, you are in for a real treat. CR (San Jose) is disney world compared to DR. The pure poverty in DR makes life on a daily basis a bit more challenging. It's really quite raw there. My first trip I got off the plane and rode into town in the taxi and thought to myself, "what in the hell did I just do??". Took a while to get used to.
David B.
Eggsalad,
Information is not as detail in other forum as it is in the Costa Rica forum. Where in South America is another place to visit. Columbia has some to offer and most say Bazil is high. Can you give more detail about South America other than Costa Rica?
[QUOTE=Drew2]Eggsalad,
Information is not as detail in other forum as it is in the Costa Rica forum. Where in South America is another place to visit. Columbia has some to offer and most say Bazil is high. Can you give more detail about South America other than Costa Rica?[/QUOTE]
You should try Quito, Ecuador. It beats San Jose panties down. A whole lot cheaper. Hotels and hostels range from $9 to $100+ a night. Food is $2-5 in general per meal. Taxi is $1-5 depending on the distance. Drinks (mixed or beer) are generally $1 to $3. 2 mixed drinks in places as specials are $3. In Chongos and some nightclubs, girls are $7 to $20 for 15-30 minutes depending on the place. Airline tickets tend to be $100-200 more round-trip though over other nearby destinations (except for Colombia which is always more).
David
[QUOTE=Drew2]Eggsalad,
Information is not as detail in other forum as it is in the Costa Rica forum. Where in South America is another place to visit. Columbia has some to offer and most say Bazil is high. Can you give more detail about South America other than Costa Rica?[/QUOTE]
Answering your question meaningfully would require a very lengthy answer. There are 13 countries in South America, and each one has its own threads. Since you appear to be new to this forum, or at least to posting, I think it's best to inform you that most posters appreciate it when you have done your own homework, read the forums on your own, and then ask questions. Nobody wants to do somebody else's work for them.
Since I'm in a good mood, I'll give you a short answer. Since you seem to be looking for inexpensive sex in SA, Davidb 3069 is right on about Quito. Other off-the-beaten-path places you might want to consider are La Paz, Bolivia (but most of the girls are butt ugly); Asuncion, Paraguay (hard to get to, and Americans need a visa); and Montevideo, Uruguay. In all these places quality pussy can be had for US$20/hour, maybe a little more for a quality brothel in Quito. But for God's sake, RTFF!
L
[QUOTE=Prolijo]What makes you think that even $30 is the tico price? How many ticos do you see in th HDR taking chicas out for $30? And how many BM chicas are there really that would settle for $30 unless it was really just for a rush job[/QUOTE]This was purely a negotiation strategy, nothing more. It worked in my case.
Interesting posts. I have been traveling to CR for about four years considently, but was first there 20 years ago, for context. First, I think the notion that only ugly girls are found at the cheaper place is dead wrong. As was stated, MOST girls are not attractive, yet I have found many very cute and sexy women on Calle 6. Yes, you have to do a fair amount of searching. I enjoy that part of the game. I like to go early, around noon, and have half hour sessons with severals girls, looking for the ones that preform the best service. I get their numbers, and easily negotiate TLN for 60-8- bucks or so, depending upon the girl. Do I find 10s? No. But certainly 7s, often Nicas, many new to the game. Girls how just start at these places often find out about them from freinds, and are not aware of the full scope of the P4P scene for some time.
Fortuntaly, I prefer Nicas and Ticas in looks to the overlly engenered, typical DR Colombiana.
As with many of us, I have my own style, and it works for me. Prior to my sessons in the MPs, I make it clear that I tip for outstanding service, and tell them what I mean. I also say that I am looking for esepcially enthusiastic young ladies who would like to make more money on the side. This seems to at least get me what I want.
As far as the DR/BM-its like a box of chocolates. You have to really have your negotiating statagy in order, and be willing to walk away. My last two trips I did not pull from the DR at all, but from the SL, the low end MPs, and some old favorites. Also, don't forget the medium end MPs off of Paseo Colon
Not sure why I am posting this now, but it felt like a good time.
Psychman. Nice! Good to see a true post and how to look for action on the cheap end, as I to go to 6th street in the daytime. In fact I will be looking around today about 3. 00 a little late for me but my flight gets in at 1:30. Anyway what you said is very true, searching is half the fun as I found a 8 in one of the shit holes. Cost me like 8. 00 with tip but this girl had a body of a 18 year old and a cute face. And did whatever I wanted. Yes I didn't feel good about the bed (if you want to call it that) and the place looks like something you see in a old mexican movie. But that girl brings me back to that area on every trip! Yes I have never seen her again, as you say it could of her first week and since she was the hottest one there. Maybe she is working in a better place now! But as most of us know those tica men like the girls a little heavy so what we (gringos) find hot they may pass on.
[QUOTE=Psychman]Interesting posts. I have been traveling to CR for about four years considently, but was first there 20 years ago, for context. First, I think the notion that only ugly girls are found at the cheaper place is dead wrong. As was stated, MOST girls are not attractive, yet I have found many very cute and sexy women on Calle 6. Yes, you have to do a fair amount of searching. I enjoy that part of the game. I like to go early, around noon, and have half hour sessons with severals girls, looking for the ones that preform the best service. I get their numbers, and easily negotiate TLN for 60-8- bucks or so, depending upon the girl. Do I find 10s? No. But certainly 7s, often Nicas, many new to the game. Girls how just start at these places often find out about them from freinds, and are not aware of the full scope of the P4P scene for some time.
Fortuntaly, I prefer Nicas and Ticas in looks to the overlly engenered, typical DR Colombiana.
As with many of us, I have my own style, and it works for me. Prior to my sessons in the MPs, I make it clear that I tip for outstanding service, and tell them what I mean. I also say that I am looking for esepcially enthusiastic young ladies who would like to make more money on the side. This seems to at least get me what I want.
As far as the DR/BM-its like a box of chocolates. You have to really have your negotiating statagy in order, and be willing to walk away. My last two trips I did not pull from the DR at all, but from the SL, the low end MPs, and some old favorites. Also, don't forget the medium end MPs off of Paseo Colon
Not sure why I am posting this now, but it felt like a good time.[/QUOTE]
I can only add a little tid-bit to this perfectly dead-on post
I have taken an 8 and 9 from the 6th street /747/cha cha cha/ Monaco type places my only point being that maybe we were there at different times...
I'll be back over there today and let ya'll know how I do
[QUOTE=Member #2666]I have taken an 8 and 9 from the 6th street /747/cha cha cha/ Monaco type places[/QUOTE]I should make it clear when I said I wouldn't touch the chicas with your dick, I was [b]NOT[/b] referring to the 747/cha cha cha/ Monaco tico-type places.
I frequently check out those places myself. They're certainly hit or miss but are definitely worth a check. However, those places are still [b]NOT[/b] $8/hr places. 747 was like 4500c per HALF hour (~$9) last time I was there (before any tip or recent price increases). Next door, Cha cha cha was more like 8K/half and 12K/hr and so at least twice as much as what Habilio was talking about. Not only that but neither of those places are even on Calle 6 (rather one street over on Calle 4), so shouldn't have been confused with what we were talking about anyway. OTOH, Bar Monaco is on Calle 6 but it is more of a night-time bar (w/on-premises activity) than a day-time MP and their rates are 10K/HALF hour or ~$19/HALF and so WELL over twice the amount that Habilio was talking about as well.
[b]The [u]Pensiones[/u] that are further down on Calle 6 are in a whole 'nother (lower and sleazier) class than any of the tico places that you other guys seem to be referring to[/b]. I'm not saying that even the Pensiones might not OCCASIONALLY have a 5-6 quality girl who doesn't know her worth, but I suspect IF they do it would be extremely few and far between and hardly worth bothering to check. Last time I poked my head into one of those places, I felt like rushing back to my hotel and washing my dick ... and I didn't even go for a session. I suggest anyone who goes there double wraps with extra thick condoms and bring a blind fold and nose plugs.[QUOTE=Professor 1]This was purely a negotiation strategy, nothing more. It worked in my case.[/QUOTE]Professor, you keep missing my point. I don't know or care about whether your claims of having paid $30 are true or not or why you offered that amount. My point was that your suggestion that even that was the rockbottom price that a tico would pay is simply wrong. Tico's don't bother with HDR/BM hookers who can get the ridiculuous amounts that many gringos will pay. As others have pointed out, even we can do much better than that by going to the tico places. And we're not getting any special local discount at those places either.
With all due respect Prolijo, if you believe that the girls from the DR are somehow cleaner, I would submit that is pure fantasy..We clearly disagree about the potential at the most low end places, but i KNOW that great deals can be found for those with the patience. Some of us enjoy the ritual of the chase, the hunt, and find that appealing...
As they say, YMMV, and to each his own...As you implied, you peaked your head in, but did not really spend some time in these places, to wait to see who comes out of the rooms (yes, the best ones are taken quckly, just like at ZB and NF)...
Its a big mongring world out there; this board is about helping people know their options..
[QUOTE=Prolijo]I should make it clear when I said I wouldn't touch the chicas with your dick, I was [b]NOT[/b] referring to the 747/cha cha cha/ Monaco tico-type places.
I frequently check out those places myself. They're certainly hit or miss but are definitely worth a check. However, those places are still [b]NOT[/b] $8/hr places. 747 was like 4500c per HALF hour (~$9) last time I was there (before any tip or recent price increases). Next door, Cha cha cha was more like 8K/half and 12K/hr and so at least twice as much as what Habilio was talking about. Not only that but neither of those places are even on Calle 6 (rather one street over on Calle 4), so shouldn't have been confused with what we were talking about anyway. OTOH, Bar Monaco is on Calle 6 but it is more of a night-time bar (w/on-premises activity) than a day-time MP and their rates are 10K/HALF hour or ~$19/HALF and so WELL over twice the amount that Habilio was talking about as well.
[b]The [u]Pensiones[/u] that are further down on Calle 6 are in a whole 'nother (lower and sleazier) class than any of the tico places that you other guys seem to be referring to[/b]. I'm not saying that even the Pensiones might not OCCASIONALLY have a 5-6 quality girl who doesn't know her worth, but I suspect IF they do it would be extremely few and far between and hardly worth bothering to check. Last time I poked my head into one of those places, I felt like rushing back to my hotel and washing my dick ... and I didn't even go for a session. I suggest anyone who goes there double wraps with extra thick condoms and bring a blind fold and nose plugs.Professor, you keep missing my point. I don't know or care about whether your claims of having paid $30 are true or not or why you offered that amount. My point was that your suggestion that even that was the rockbottom price that a tico would pay is simply wrong. Tico's don't bother with HDR/BM hookers who can get the ridiculuous amounts that many gringos will pay. As others have pointed out, even we can do much better than that by going to the tico places. And we're not getting any special local discount at those places either.[/QUOTE]
During recent visit August 2007 I visited Calle 6 on a daily basis found 4 worth doing including one that I brought back to the hotel for three extended visits, at Pensiones paid 7 dollars including a condom at hotel paid $50 for an extendedl session that included my wingman 2 pops each, 4 hours with eager provider on my scale a 7 is a great bargin.
Right now I wish I was there because there were at least 3 I would like to sample
Waiting to see what comes out of the rooms is very good advice the turn over is guick and at Pensiones every room is often occupied so there are just as many behind the curtin as on display
Jet Set is also worth a look the girls often are gone for 2 or 3 days so checking every day is advised
[QUOTE=Member #2666]I can only add a little tid-bit to this perfectly dead-on post
I have taken an 8 and 9 from the 6th street /747/cha cha cha/ Monaco type places my only point being that maybe we were there at different times...
I'll be back over there today and let ya'll know how I do[/QUOTE]All of you guys are on point. I had a girl at 747 on night. She looked so much like the HOT, HOT daughter of a friend of mine, all of 20, that I sent an e-mail to my friend the very next day to see if her daughter made a trip to CR.
[QUOTE=Prolijo]Professor, you keep missing my point. I don't know or care about whether your claims of having paid $30 are true or not or why you offered that amount. My point was that your suggestion that even that was the rockbottom price that a tico would pay is simply wrong. Tico's don't bother with HDR/BM hookers who can get the ridiculuous amounts that many gringos will pay. As others have pointed out, even we can do much better than that by going to the tico places. And we're not getting any special local discount at those places either.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry, Pro. I do agree with you on this. We can do much better. It's like anywhere, including the good old U. S. Of A. , you cannot undercut the locals. For example, girls that I know in one northeastern city give it (basically) to guys in the neighborhood, but charge some outside more than $75. I am with you.
of course ymmv applies to just about anything most of us write. i've also seen pics of chicas that were proudly posted by members on this board that "i wouldn't touch with your dick". obviously, they'd disagree with me on those chicas too. btw, i'd be really curious to see a pic of that "7" (on your scale) that was from the pensione.
i will give you this, when i say "peek my head in", i wasn't being literal. i don't leave my butt hanging out on the street but actually go into these places and take a good look around (before i turn around and go running in horror for the street :) ). seriously i've spent a good half hour at the pensione, not because i saw anything i liked but because my wingman went in for a session and i was waiting for him to finish. i've also spent the better part of an afternoon sitting and drinking at the bar of jocelyn's (now muses), again not because of any chicas i liked there as much as to just chill out, toss down a few imperials and wait for the rain to stop (and talk with a really chatty expat hustler that was also hanging out there). so it is not for lack of looking or patience. lets just leave it as our having different standards.
as for cleanliness, its not like i'm advocating unsafe sex with hdr/bm chicas or anything either. but i do think it makes a difference if a chica does 2-3 guys in a day (and some bm chicas do even that) or 20-30 (which is not outside the realm of possibility at places like the pensiones). the latter doesn't leave a lot of time to clean up properly between sessions. i also think that any chica that would have sex for whatever her share of that $7 would be, would also be much more willing to go bareback with their customers for a few colones more (or even the same price). also, as questionable as some of those chicas might be at the higher end places i've never made the unpleasant discovery of that overpowering fishy smell once i started to "stir up the pot". i can't make the same claim about the lower end places.
[quote=prolijo]of course ymmv applies to just about anything most of us write. i've also seen pics of chicas that were proudly posted by members on this board that "i wouldn't touch with your dick". obviously, they'd disagree with me on those chicas too. btw, i'd be really curious to see a pic of that "7" (on your scale) that was from the pensione.
i will give you this, when i say "peek my head in", i wasn't being literal. i don't leave my butt hanging out on the street but actually go into these places and take a good look around (before i turn around and go running in horror for the street :) ). seriously i've spent a good half hour at the pensione, not because i saw anything i liked but because my wingman went in for a session and i was waiting for him to finish. i've also spent the better part of an afternoon sitting and drinking at the bar of jocelyn's (now muses), again not because of any chicas i liked there as much as to just chill out, toss down a few imperials and wait for the rain to stop (and talk with a really chatty expat hustler that was also hanging out there). so it is not for lack of looking or patience. lets just leave it as our having different standards.
as for cleanliness, its not like i'm advocating unsafe sex with hdr/bm chicas or anything either. but i do think it makes a difference if a chica does 2-3 guys in a day (and some bm chicas do even that) or 20-30 (which is not outside the realm of possibility at places like the pensiones). the latter doesn't leave a lot of time to clean up properly between sessions. i also think that any chica that would have sex for whatever her share of that $7 would be, would also be much more willing to go bareback with their customers for a few colones more (or even the same price). also, as questionable as some of those chicas might be at the higher end places i've never made the unpleasant discovery of that overpowering fishy smell once i started to "stir up the pot". i can't make the same claim about the lower end places.[/quote]
funny, the guys who tell me stories about girls geing bareback have usually met them at the dr or sl...but, that is a poor sample, as i don't know a lot of guys who pull girls from the low end places....also, many guys who pull girls form the dr really don't thing about money (thus the current high prices), and so offering an extra hundred bucks (or more) for full service for some guys means very litte, so your argument about who would or would not go bareback is debatable...
i am glad you don't have access to my dick- with all the girls you would not touch, i would never get laid!! :) (this is a joke, to be clear, so there is a minimum of upset)
[QUOTE=Eggsalad]Overall, I liked Costa Rica but not as much as the other locations I mentioned. Asia is cheaper and South America has better looking women at the same price
I hope you enjoyed my report.
Eggsalad[/QUOTE]Hey, great report. I'm just doing some research as I'll be in Miami on business in February and was thinking of hoping over somewhere for a few days serious mongering. CR was looking pretty good but mention some SA places being a lot better, where would you (or anyone else out there) recomend, I've never been to either SA ot CA but live in Dubai and have a lot of experience in this part of the world and SE Asia.
Keep it hard and horny.
I've been going to San Jose 2-4 times per year for the past 10 years, so I have a pretty good lay of the land. I always make a few runs by the pensiones on Calle 6 during the day. There are always a couple of diamonds in the rough to be found with a little luck and persistence. Many, many times I have done a woman on Calle 6 for less than $10, only to see her again that evening at places including Hotel Park, Margaritas, BM, and KL, with Gringos for the going rate at each of those establishments. I just have to sit back and giggle when I see a gringo pay 10 times as much for the same thing I did earlier in the day for chump change. Amazing what a little makeup and a change of clothes does for some of these women.
BTW, the blonde lady who used to own/ run Jocelyn's is available at Molino Rojo, where she worked before she took over Jocelyn's. Very energetic and highly recommended.
Happy hunting
Snook
[QUOTE=Snook] at places including Hotel Park, Margaritas, BM, and KL, with Gringos for the going rate at each of those establishments. I just have to sit back and giggle when I see a gringo pay 10 times as much for the same thing I did earlier in the day for chump change. Amazing what a little makeup and a change of clothes does for some of these women.
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I always heard the crazy things that go on at Hotel Park but never did make it in there. Sounded like my kind of place though.
Up until my recent trips to Quito, I had never used any of the casas/chongos before on any of my trips. Always brought them back to my hotel. Quito opened my eyes to the good deals in those places.
David B.
Just got into town last nite. Went over to Key Largo. I was just doing some recon since this my first trip here. Today I had breakfast, massage, b*, massage,full service, lunch and drinks with Anna and Danella all for 45 each. I no from reading this board that this was alot but I still have 2 days for more fun. LIFE IS GOOD !
Hola All,
I am currently in San Jose housesitting a large home....until it sells. Will probably be here another 40 to 50 days or so.
I had to tell everyone about a special gal I met in San Jose....and I am sharing her with you, because she needs the business, and because she is such a nice little sweetheart, and because I am 62 years old, and she is only 20, and I am realistic enough to know that she could do lots better than me....if she wanted a steady Novio (boyfriend).
She looks even younger than 20,, with a very sweet pretty countenence (face), and a very mild, unhurried manner about her. She speaks passable English, and understands almost everything that you say to her in English.
She has just impressed the hell out of me....and I think she is about 2 to 3 cuts above the average working Chica .....at least from my considerable experience.
I will try to post a couple of pics later. She is very, very pretty, about 5 ft 5 ins, and has a super nice petite body. Not quite a "spinner"....but pretty close to it.
Her name is Alexa. She takes some courses in administration at the University of Costa Rica, works at Burger King during the daytime to support her two younger sisters, and works the P4P deal when she needs extra cash.
She is a far cry from the usual putas that you encounter at the Del Rey or Beatle Bar........and I am beginning to think that I must be crazy to be doing this......and sharing her with everyone here. But hey.....I know how the land lays.
I am just a little bit over the hill for the likes of her....... She seems to like me, with hugs and kisses, and such....but I really think that is because of her sweet nature, and not due to the fact that she sees me as just another " John " in her life.
I actually paid $ 100.00 for a couple of hours of her company tonight....which is the very first time in my life, that Ive paid more than $ 50. to 60.00 for a session with a working girl.
And yea....I know we are not supposed to do that.....bargain with them, and keep the prices low and realalistic----but I just could not help myself .....with giving her a full hundred. And it was worth every penny.....I will add.
Tomorrow I will perhaps find myself getting a pretty good BJ and laid ( for less than $ 25.00) at either the Osasis MP or around the corner at the No Name MP....across from Super Bingo.....out on Pasio Calon.....but tonight I popped for Cien....because I thought what the hell.....I am here to enjoy myself, and not worry about what the price of a piece of A-- costs. And as stated above----I think I got my moneys worth tonight with Alexa.
I only wish I was younger, so I could take full advantage of a true GFE type of relationship with her.
Her figure is super....all natural, no silicone....and no tricks like so many of the other gals who are plying this trade in San Jose.
She is going to be one of my special friends....and I will see her from time to time...have her out to the house for dinner, and such....but I am one of those guys who is not possessive and wants an exclusive relationship with her.
Besides I am too cheap.....borato (sp) as they say here to try to think that I could completely monopolize her time and talents.
I can be her friend, and part time lover, and still have no problems with her working the other side of the street....as she needs that to maintain her life here.
I will list her cell phone number, her rates, and try to post a couple of pics of her in the next day or so on this forum.
I have a digital camera, and already have the pics, but will need to get into a internet cafe to get them posted to this forum.
I think if you are going to be in San Jose, that it would behove you to give her a try......and I will also be posting a listing for her ( for gratis....nothing in it for me...except her friendship and goodwill) later on Craigs List - Costa Rica.
More to follow.
Steve
Hola, I will be posting a small web page for my friend Alexa today. Stay tuned. Steve
I'm booked at the Balmoral hotel, seemed like a good deal on Orbitz, for $55 per night. Anybody got any scoop on it; gf, cost for guests, etc? This is my second visit to SJ, but never stayed here.
[QUOTE=Stevewxly]Hola, I will be posting a small web page for my friend Alexa today. Stay tuned. Steve[/QUOTE]I am a newbie here and planning to travel around the last week of Nov-2007. Please post alexa's page. Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=Nixonbd]I'm booked at the Balmoral hotel, seemed like a good deal on Orbitz, for $55 per night. Anybody got any scoop on it; gf, cost for guests, etc? This is my second visit to SJ, but never stayed here.[/QUOTE]I believe they have something like $20 guest fees everytime you bring a chica back to your room. Others may disagree but I wouldn't exactly call that monger-friendly but I suppose it is better than not allowing any chica guests at all. You might want to seriously think about changing your bookings.
Hola Guys,
I am having a little trouble getting the web page for Alexa - Special Gal - San Jose to work. Will update later and put her page up on Craigs List - Costa Rica.
Steve
i stayed at the balmoral for 6 days last month and they were incredible. yes, they do have chica fees, but it works out well if you are a first timer. they charge 15$, but they are pros about it and they check papers of the girls and check their id's. they offer a great breakfast and i am still craving them every morning since i visited. yumm! the best thing about the hotel is that it is grrreat for a first timer; you can get the lay of the land just by looking out your window and checking out the peeps on the sidewalk below. i learned alot just by doing that, and quickly found out that there is very little crime in the area and i was not as uptight. the rooms were spotless and perfect every day when cleaned. everyone there was so damned friendly and helpful. although they project an image of being non chica friendly, the guards were checking out the ladies as they were paraded in by their gringos. they are cool and the price is incredible for this first class hotel, you will save mucho dinero just on cab rides just because of the location being so optimum!
pm me if you want to know more.
Im a budget guy usually no more than $50 a pop for *hotel action otherwise $6 - 25 for 30/40 minutes onsite.
Could a guy like me stay busy in san jose for 25 days or would I be climbing the walls after 2 weeks ?
Ive been to jaco beach and I didnt like the vibe. I found CR to be unfriendly compared to peru or ecuador.
I have been putting off a san jose trip due to the negative feed back about too many gringos etc. I prefer not to be around other americans(Im american) when I travel but I dont want to miss out on a good time either.
The information and lists on this forum are great. I wouldnt be lost thats for sure. Thanks too everyone.
Ive mongered in dr,ecuador,argentina,lima,mexico,el salvador
*Im sorry this should have been in the general info thread.
Thanks for the responses on the Balmoral.
I was in SJ just under two years ago and stayed at the Morazan. They charged me $10 - $15 for a chica guest there too. $15 bucks a pop isn't bad in my mind. I'm not there to set a record on chica count :)
I'm looking forward to my return. Happy hunting.
david,
with all due respect, i have to wonder whether we're talking about the same balmoral or the same city. to say that there is "very little crime in the area" based on "looking out your window and checking out the peeps on the sidewalk below", displays an incredible ignorance of what really goes on around that area. yes, you could save a buck on cabfares by walking instead of riding, but i hardly characterize that as "mucho dinero" and if you try that too often after dark it could wind up costing you a lot more than a buck. there are many gringos that stay in that area that would advice taking a cab after dark even for that one block. besides, you'd have to take at least 15 cab rides a day to offset those chica fees and there are other hotels that are just as "optimally located" that don't charge any chica fee at all or at least charge much less.
i just can't regard any hotel that charges that much extra for chica guests to be monger friendly. of course, the doorman are friendly to the sexy chicas, not only are they great eye candy but they aren't costing them anything and they represent a nice profit for the hotel (at your expense).
this was evidently your first trip and you haven't stayed anywhere else, so maybe you don't know. but most places that allow chica guests will check the chicas in very professionally and smoothly. any place in that price range will have nice clean rooms and friendly service.
the prez directly across the street from the balmoral, i believe still offers the $55 crt for its standard rooms and charges no chica fee. they do limit you to one chica at a time and require that they don't dress like complete ****s, but those limitations are usually no big problem for most mongers and allowing the more scantily clad chicas to wear your chica while you're checking in with them usually satisfies the front desk. the breakfasts there which are also included with the room are famous as are the views of the pedestrian mall from the rail.
the morazon is not quite as nice as either of those two places and does not include breakfast, but is even closer to the bm then either of those other 2 hotels and within a fairly safe and direct walk. their rates are only $35/nt and $3/chica, so even if you only bring back 1 chica per day they'd save you nearly half as much as what you'd pay at the balmoral and if you monger more than that they'd save you even more. that's like getting a free mp session every day.
and if you're going to need to take a cab at night anyway, as you very well might even at the balmoral, you might just as well go just a few blocks further (ie still well within a safe and easy daytime walking distance of the bm) that will put you in a much safer and quieter neighborhood and much closer to some of the better mp's. that will open your options up to a whole other group of hotels with reasonable rates, great rooms and service and no chica fees.
of course, you're free to hold a different opinion and ymmv, but personally i have a very different take on the matter than what you just posted.
Hey buddy,
Contact me here or by Private Message. stevewxly
Steve
Guys, Please see Alexaś photo in the Photo Gallery section......contact me via PM for more info and her phone number.
Steve
Thanks for the intel on the Balmoral, I am glad to have dicovered someone like yourself that I can get info from.
Although my report on the Balmoral was positive, it may have been quite biased since it was my first trip to CR. I had such a great experience that I guess I just equated my great trip with the Balmoral. I still think the Balmoral is ok for first timers.
What would be a cheap hotel with similar local as the Balmoral, but with no chica fees and included breakfast. How is the Hemmingway?
Also, please expand upon the crime near the Balmoral that I seemed to have missed. Perhaps your info will help me, and others, to be more aware during visits to the area. The only problem I had when walking from Del Rey to Balmoral was the kids asking for coin and sleeping in front of the door to the ATM. No big deal. I was walking back and forth between Balmoral and Del Rey at like 3 am with ticas on several occasions.
My July Trip report
Day 0 & 1
After some research on this forum and advice from my BA I decided that the only place to stay was SL. I arrived in Sanjose on a rainy Sunday afternoon by an US airways flight. Took a cab to SL and settled in. I had my dinner and headed out to DR and to be honest I was a nervous wreck. I met Jim at the roulette table and he kind of explained how things work and even picked out a girl for me, negotiated the rate $80 for 2 hrs and sent me on my way. Her name was Angela she was a 9 on my book. I don’t know a word of Spanish and communicating was bit difficult but once we got to the room it wasn’t necessary. She had a great attitude started with a BBBJ and did multiple positions except for anal. I really liked her and offered her $200 for the whole night but she refused and had to get back to her baby. I walked her to the cab and that was my night. Next morning I had some emergency work to do so couldn’t leave my room except for breakfast and was tied to my Laptop. At about 3 pomp I was at the bar and I met Stan. I have to say I was very lucky to meet him. After few minutes he and I headed out to ZB. When we got there he pulled a girl aside and said she is the best in here and I have to go with her. I took his advice went to the "massage" room and boy I have no shame in saying that was the best sex in my life. Her name was Pamela and I later learnt that she is like a superstar of ZB. That night I picked out a girl from HDR. She was ok. Sorry I don’t remember the names anymore it’s been three months.
Day 2 & 3
I was slammed with more work couldn’t do much but still found time to hook up with couple of beautiful ladies from SL and did a threesome. Thanks to Stan for introducing them. They had an excellent attitude and I was very satisfied. Visited Bar Idem and a girl I picked out were really bad. $50 down the drain.
Day 4 & 5
Went to ZB in the afternoon and had a great session with Andrea. Just hung out at HDR played some chips and took a tica home. The following day left Sanjose in the AM and reached home after 30 hr flights.
All in all this was an excellent adventure for me and I am going to Thailand next month and will be back in CR Dec/Jan. SL, HDR, ZB and Bar Idem pretty much did it for me. SL Brotherhood helped me out a lot and I don’t think I would have enjoyed the trip as much if I had not stayed at SL.
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[QUOTE=David Lasker]I had such a great experience that I guess I just equated my great trip with the Balmoral.[/QUOTE]No problem Dave. I think that is a very common phenomenon. Its difficult not to have a wonderful time the first time you go to CR and that "glow" very often seems to rub off on just about everything you wind up doing. Anyway, I'm sure you did have an excellent stay at the Balmoral and that other first timers would be happy there as well. I just think that one can do even better.
Now as for "a cheap hotel with similar local as the Balmoral, but with no chica fees and included breakfast", the closest thing I can think of would be the Presidente right across the street. Other than that, there are few if any chica friendly hotels in that general area that include as good of a breakfast as the Prez. I personally like the Castillo which is right next door to the Hemmingway, but the breakfast they serve, while adequate is not one of their strong points, but they have nice reasonably priced rooms, great service, no chica fee and a great location. I usually just grab some of their fresh fruit or, for a lousy 1000c or $2, go out for a tico breakfast somewhere else. The Morazon, which I already mentioned, doesn't include breakfast and charges $3 per chica, but even if you add $2-3 for breakfast and $3 per chica to their $35/nt it comes out waayy less than those other places. And there you really can still just walk from the HDR/BM since it is no farther from the BM than is the KL.
The Hemmingway is certainly another option. I don't know much about it myself, though I know some guys stay there so it must be chica friendly. I've heard the rooms are kinda small and not so great, so for the money I'd probably stay at the Morazon, which also has relatively small and so-so rooms too, but is probably the best monger budget option if you want to stay in the heart of the Gulch.
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As for crime/security, the beggars are mainly a real irritation. Unfortunately they're impossible to completely avoid (even if you take cabs) because they mostly hang out directly in front of the HDR. BTW, never take one of the cabs parked outside the HDR as they'll charge you double the usual rate. Always flag down a passing taxi off the street. Anyway back on the beggars, the real problem with them in my book is that they can serve as distractions while more dangerous characters move in. Similarly walking with a chica in that area late at night can be just as bad if it draws your attention away from what you should be paying attention to. Plus, it eliminates your best defense if trouble ever approaches which is to simply run away (unless you don't mind leaving the chica to fend for herself). Besides, many chicas don't wear the best shoes for negotiating SJ sidewalks (heck, I've been known to stumble on some of the larger cracks and gaps and I don't wear high heels) so taking a cab even a really short distance can be a cheap and chivalrous thing to do. The worst crime seems to occur walking down the hill from the HDR towards Avenida Central. If you hang out on the balcony at the NY Bar, you will have front stage seating to all the muggings. Another risky spot is at the bus stop at the corner, as the muggers have been known to use the crowds to hide in right before they jump out and make their move. Since buses stop running some time by mid-evening, the danger is obviously not limited to late night or to when the streets are more desolate. These guys can be pretty brazen. It might be a little safer walking in the direction of the Morazon and turning left to go to the Balmoral that way, but any of the streets in that immediate area can be pretty dangerous after dark. A highly popular monger named Circus in a well-known incident was actually attacked and robbed by a band of trannies right in front of the Morazon (and of course the bouncers just inside the door in plain view did absolutely nothing while all that was going on).
Heading north towards the hotels in barrio Amon (e.g. Hemmingway, Castillo, SL, etc.) can be dangerous too. Morazon ParK has a particularly bad reputation but is not nearly as bad as it once was. They have police patrols at least in the early evening. BTW, one tip for park safety is that if it is a "kissing park", ie you can see young couples sitting together in the evening on park benches, then it is probably pretty safe to walk through, as is Morazon in the early evening. Later at night it is more dicey but at least is pretty wide open so that you can see and avoid any suspicious looking characters that might be hanging out there. The nearby Park Espana always gives me more pause since it has many more trees and thus places for bad guys to hide. Never walk through there later at night after the couples have all gone home. You also have to watch out about getting too close to the tranny prostitutes that come out after dark all over the areas north of Morazon Park. I give them a wide berth and they've always left me completely alone (except 1 time when one of them flashed his surprisingly rather nice set of fake tits at me:)) but they've been known to swarm guys and pickpocket wallets and watches while their buddies groped the victim to distract him. Personally, I think those types are far easier to avoid than the punks who try to sneak up on you. But the safest way to avoid any of this, especially for a newbie, is to not walk at all in those areas after dark.
There was a recent crime in the past weeks, a woman was killed in Morazon Park at 1am in the morning. Becareful.
I'd have to ask what a woman was doing out in Morazon Park at 1 in the morning anyway. Was she one of the street people that just hang out there all the time? At the very least, she probably was involved in some sort of business that she shouldn't have been.
Walking straight, quickly and determinedly through and keeping a really wide distance from anyone who might be hanging out there, will usually get you through safely even at that hour. However, there is really no good reason to walk through Morazon Park at that hour of night unless you're staying at the Holiday Inn (which has chica fees even higher than the Balmoral). If you're staying at the Amon Plaza, Casa Vino, Dunn Inn, Inca Real, Brittania or even Zona Blue it makes much more sense to take a cab at that hour. If you're staying east of those places at the Hemmingway, Castillo, SL or Amistad, you can easily skirt Morazon Park but you'll have to contend with the Park Espana area, which as I said before can be even more dangerous. Unless you're an extremely alert, street-saavy foolhardy risktaker like myself, you're probably best advised to take a cab late at night to those places too.
And if you're taking home a chica practically anywhere, don't make yourself look like a cheap dickhead, spring the buck for a cab and escort her back or pay for her cab when you're done. You've probably just paid anywhere from $40 to, God forbid, $100 for your session so what is an extra couple of bucks.
Somebody who knew her whereabouts laid for her.
[QUOTE=Prolijo]I'd have to ask what a woman was doing out in Morazon Park at 1 in the morning anyway. Was she one of the street people that just hang out there all the time? At the very least, she probably was involved in some sort of business that she shouldn't have been. .[/QUOTE]
I respect the notion that we are all entitled to our opinions but you take the cake with this ignorant statement.
The presumption that those out before or after a certain hour are doing something they shouldn't be doing is foolish at best.
Guys,
Here is my friend Alexa. Please contact me via private message for her Cell Phone number. I am just doing this as a favor to her....there is nothing in it for me, except her friendship. Steve
Alexa Cell Phone number: 346-01-85
[url]http://www.domainnamesanity.com/webumake/wwwsites/www.laptop-doc.com/Alexa.txt[/url]
[QUOTE=DR Monger II]There was a recent crime in the past weeks, a woman was killed in Morazon Park at 1am in the morning. Becareful.[/QUOTE]
Guys get it stright. Six shots were fired at a woman in the parking lot of the Key Largo.
A lot of you know the space; right between the DR and the dance floor of the KL.
Most of the shots connected and the woman fell dead to the pavement with mutable bullet holes in her head.
Was she a bad woman or doing something wrong? Only Prolijo can know for sure.
[QUOTE=Artisttyp]Im a budget guy usually no more than $50 a pop for *hotel action otherwise $6 - 25 for 30/40 minutes onsite.
Could a guy like me stay busy in san jose for 25 days or would I be climbing the walls after 2 weeks ?
Ive been to jaco beach and I didnt like the vibe. I found CR to be unfriendly compared to peru or ecuador.
I have been putting off a san jose trip due to the negative feed back about too many gringos etc. I prefer not to be around other americans(Im american) when I travel but I dont want to miss out on a good time either.
The information and lists on this forum are great. I wouldnt be lost thats for sure. Thanks too everyone.
Ive mongered in dr,ecuador,argentina,lima,mexico,el salvador
*Im sorry this should have been in the general info thread.[/QUOTE]
Can anyone respond to this..thanks ?
[QUOTE=Member #2666]I respect the notion that we are all entitled to our opinions but you take the cake with this ignorant statement.
The presumption that those out before or after a certain hour are doing something they shouldn't be doing is foolish at best.[/QUOTE]
Who is really showing their ignorance? The "certain" hour in question is not just any time of day but in the middle of the night in a park that has long been known as a risky area even earlier in the evening (hence the need for a special police patrol). But even the police abandon the park after a certain hour. And this wasn't just "those" out at a certain hour but a single [u]woman[/u]. It would be dangerous enough for a guy to pass through that park at that hour, for a single female it is downright crazy.
What possible reason would there be for a single woman to be in the park at that hour? That time of night is long after any stores in the area have shut down and long after buses stop running. Even if they live in an apartment or house somewhere near there, if they have any sense they aren't about to simply go for a stroll in some dark and dangerous local park at that time of night. In the latin culture, "nice girls" don't go out unaccompanied and certainly not to shady areas like Morazon Park or shady bars like those in the immediate area or nearby Gringo Gulch. Even the pro's who work near there at places like the KL, take cabs from the curb out front rather than risk walking home through the park. And if a local girl was out somewhere else with their novios or amigas and had to pass the park on their way home, they'd similarly take a cab to their door. No, the only women you'll see in Morazon Park at that hour will be either homeless streetgirls who are used to hanging out in a crowd of drug dealers and glue sniffers, trannies (if you can call them women) or perhaps some chica and her foolish gringo john, who was too cheap to spring for a cab. [b]No one[/b] has any business being in that park at that time of night except possibly to pass through it as rapidly as possible because at that time of night the only business going on there is by the trannies, drug dealers and muggers.
You may call me an ignorant fool "at best" who "takes the cake" and thats alright with me because I've always thought you were an argumentative arrogant asshole anyway who is usually full of shit (what was that saying about opinions being like assholes?). So I really don't much care about anything you have to say. If you think any woman has any good reason to hang out in Morazon Park at 1 in the morning you're an even more ignorant fool than I.
[QUOTE=Member #2964]Guys get it stright. Six shots were fired at a woman in the parking lot of the Key Largo.
A lot of you know the space; right between the DR and the dance floor of the KL.
Most of the shots connected and the woman fell dead to the pavement with mutable [b](sic multiple?)[/b] bullet holes in her head.
Was she a bad woman or doing something wrong? Only Prolijo can know for sure.[/QUOTE]I was simply responding to DR Monger II's report with what I thought were perfectly reasonable conclusions based on that report. Excuse me for expressing my take on what was reported about some chica in SJ that you don't even know. At least, unlike you two [b]dickheads[/b], I WASn't casting any negative judgements on a fellow forum member here.
Now, the fact that this happened in the parking lot of the Key Largo makes this a somewhat different story, but the ultimate significance for us isn't all that different. Was the woman in this story "a bad woman or doing something wrong"? Well, she may not have been one of the drugged out street persons that hang out in the dark corners of Morazon Park late at night but its a pretty good guess that she was one of the chicas that work at either the BM or KL. Of course, there is also all sorts of street riff-raff that hang out on that side of KL too. But let's say she was one of the working girls. Does any of that make her "a bad person"? I'm not going to cast any value judgements on chicas based on the simple fact that they make their living turning tricks (nor was I when I was simply stating a person was in a place at a time when they had no good reason for being there). But I'd still have to wonder why this [b]particular[/b] chica was hit. Was it the type of robbery/mugging that we're all concerned about and discussing here or was it something else? That seems to be a pretty public space for something like that to go down. Though it may not be unheard of to be robbed in such plain sight, usually the crooks wait until you're further away before they make their move. Also 6 shots "mostly connecting" seems like a pretty extreme and purposeful reaction to someone just resisting a simple robbery. Of course I could be wrong, but this sounds like something a LOT more personal and intentional than just some random robbery. A lot of these chicas have a lot of drama going on their lives. Some are involved in drugs. Some have jealous and/or violent tico novios or esposos. And a few can be pretty violent themselves. This is not the type of violence that is probably going to be directed at any of us. OTOH, I wouldn't want to be anywhere around any of that drama while the bullets are flying. What might have happened to the bullets that missed their mark if one of us happened to be passing by at the same time?
Was this poor girl "bad" for simply being there or possibly resisting a robbery? Absolutely not. But it seems to be a real possibility that she must have been somehow involved with the shooter to be so deliberately targeted and if that was the case it does raise some questions as to how "good" a person she really is herself or at least whether she "was doing something wrong" to get so involved with someone that would do something like that.
2964,
With the type of sarcasm and obnoxiousness that BOTH you and 2666 often display in tandem, I often have to wonder if you "two" aren't really just the same guy. But I guess only 2964 & 2666 "can know for sure". For some reason, based on these and earlier posts, both of you seem to have some real bug up your ass about me. Well, now you know the feeling is mutual, dickwads.
artisttyp,
as much as i'm personally a big fan of cr, imho, i'd have to say that i think you'll probably get tired with sj after so long a stay. of course, others may disagree and i can definitely respect that. in fact, i could very well be wrong. what appeals to each person is a very individual thing, so it is hard to say whether what works for each of us will necessarily work for the next guy. however here is why i think you might be disappointed with sj:
1) this is not your first foreign mongering trip. cr appeals greatly to mongers that haven't been elsewhere. compared to the us for mongering, it is paradise and it is a very easy user-friendly place for someone without a wealth of foreign experience. its might also be great if you've checked out other places but you begin to realize that it is not the only great place.
2) you don't like hanging out with a lot of other gringos and cr probably gets a much higher concentration of gringos than any of those other places you mentioned. the main places to go will be very much like the main places in jaco in terms of the pervacity if gringos. the good news is that there are places to go in sj where you can get off the usual gringo path and enjoy decent p4p right in your price range. but whether that would satisfy you or you'd be climbing the walls after 2 weeks, only you can say.
3) one of the big advantages of cr is that it is so close to the us. this makes it cheap enough and quick enough to get to that it becomes practical to visit for just a short trip of even a long weekend. that advantage becomes less important when you amortize your airtime and airfare over the course of a 25 day vacation. with that amount of time to play with you could travel just about anywhere, including places like the far east or eastern europe or south america and with the local costs in many of those places being so much cheaper than cr it could very easily wind up costing you much less even with the higher cost of airfare.
4) personally, i like doing non-monger things as well. you and others may be different but doing nothing but mongering for 25 days straight would have me climbing the walls. one of the nice things about cr is that there are many other interesting things to see and do besides just mongering, including many that can be done right out of sj. imho, one could fill 25 days in cr fairly easily but if you tie yourself down to just sj then you'd be scraping the bottom of the barrel well before 2 week were up.
anyway, that is my take.
[quote=prolijo]artisttyp,
as much as i'm personally a big fan of cr, imho, i'd have to say that i think you'll probably get tired with sj after so long a stay. of course, others may disagree and i can definitely respect that. in fact, i could very well be wrong. what appeals to each person is a very individual thing, so it is hard to say whether what works for each of us will necessarily work for the next guy. however here is why i think you might be disappointed with sj:
1) this is not your first foreign mongering trip. cr appeals greatly to mongers that haven't been elsewhere. compared to the us for mongering, it is paradise and it is a very easy user-friendly place for someone without a wealth of foreign experience. its might also be great if you've checked out other places but you begin to realize that it is not the only great place.
2) you don't like hanging out with a lot of other gringos and cr probably gets a much higher concentration of gringos than any of those other places you mentioned. the main places to go will be very much like the main places in jaco in terms of the pervacity if gringos. the good news is that there are places to go in sj where you can get off the usual gringo path and enjoy decent p4p right in your price range. but whether that would satisfy you or you'd be climbing the walls after 2 weeks, only you can say.
3) one of the big advantages of cr is that it is so close to the us. this makes it cheap enough and quick enough to get to that it becomes practical to visit for just a short trip of even a long weekend. that advantage becomes less important when you amortize your airtime and airfare over the course of a 25 day vacation. with that amount of time to play with you could travel just about anywhere, including places like the far east or eastern europe or south america and with the local costs in many of those places being so much cheaper than cr it could very easily wind up costing you much less even with the higher cost of airfare.
4) personally, i like doing non-monger things as well. you and others may be different but doing nothing but mongering for 25 days straight would have me climbing the walls. one of the nice things about cr is that there are many other interesting things to see and do besides just mongering, including many that can be done right out of sj. imho, one could fill 25 days in cr fairly easily but if you tie yourself down to just sj then you'd be scraping the bottom of the barrel well before 2 week were up.
anyway, that is my take.[/quote]
thank you for taking the time to respond. i usually wouldnt consider someplace like costa rica but after looking over the lists and posts for calle 6 action etc. it got my attention.
how much are those outdoor activities from san jose ? i like to do things like that but usually they cost $70 and up and my daily expenses skyrocket.
i enjoyed my time in sosua this summer although i agree its going to the dogs.
i guess i need to put forth the effort into an el salvador expedition.
thanks again for your response.
artisttyp
You're right that most of those organized daily activities cost on the order of $70 or more. It is possible to do SOME of them on the cheap, but it takes a lot more effort and time. For example, instead of going in a tourist shuttle van you can take the public bus to visit the nearby volcanos but because of connections, stops and schedules it will probably take up most of the day just to see each site, whereas you could easily combine 2-3 places in the same amount of time with one organized tour. Other things like whitewater rafting or zip-lines you can do by going to the place yourself as opposed to being picked up at your hotel but you won't save much money. And like I said before, even if you don't mind paying the full cost of organized tours, there are only so many interesting things that you can do as day tours out of SJ. To fill your time with something other than just mongering, you'll probably need to get out of SJ at some point. But, if you also want to get in at least a little mongering everyday, with the exception of Jaco, that will probably mean having to bring a chica with you whereever you go.
BTW, I was in El Sal a couple of months ago and loved the place and barely saw any other gringos. However, I don't think you necessarily have to choose between the two. With that much time, what I'd suggest you do if you really want to check out SJ is to visit both. Visit SJ first and stay there as long as you find it worthwhile. Depending on how much time is left over, maybe find a chica that you can take with you to Arenal and the hot springs and/or maybe check out Playa Flamingo or one of the other Guanacaste beaches next (giving the chica busfare back to SJ at some point), catch a local bus for the border and maybe check out San Juan del Sur on the way to Managua, a side trip to Granada, and a final long bus ride to San Salvador (skip Tegoose if you're interested in mongering). Or you could just take the direct bus from SJ to Managua and then on to San Sal. If you don't spend too much time in SJ, you could even extend your trip to wind up in Guatemala.
I managed a similar month-long trip over this past summer for just $50/day (including hotels, meals, buses and daily activities but not chica costs or airfare)
End the speculation, do some research.
She was hit by four shots on the street NEXT to Morazan Park out front of Key Largo. This was a vendetta from a prior altercation.
La nacion
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Received 4 shots
Murderer asked by women and shot him
Otto M. Vargas | [email]Ovargas@nacion.com[/email]
A woman of 25 years died yesterday morning in the park Morazan (San Jose) to receive four shots of a subject who came to look at a well-known nightclub in the area.
Although Jovana Maria Martinez Maldonado denied his identity, the murderer shot him at point-blank range.
The victim, who was born in Nicaragua and mother of a 2-year-old child, had wounds to his abdomen, back and chin. The murdered in a sidewalk.
The crime occurred last 1 AM. The murderer, described as a young person of small stature and who wore a hat and dark colored shirt, came to the site in a black car, according to witnesses told police.
The authorities estimate that the murderer and the person who was driving Martinez waited to leave the local shoot.
The sought. According to the Criminal Investigation Authority (OIJ), the homicidal asked specifically by "Jovana."
Almost immediately fired. Martinez died at the site. The subject was not the belongings of the young. Officers from the Metropolitan Police conducted a search but did not give the attacker.
Jovana Martinez lived in a time Vazquez de Coronado, but, apparently, a few months ago he moved to Los tables Goicoechea.
His son was born in Costa Rica on August 8, 2005.
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Alexa ...... Cell phone number: 346-01-85 ...... see web page below from my other report.
Pura Vida Steve
Nortolx. Thanks for the correction.After speaking with my amigo his information was off by a 100 - 150 feet.
If you draw aline between the front door of the new Irish Res. and the unused front door of the KL Res. you have the app. location.
Shit happens. here in the US or in CR.
DRMonger initial report though spotty on details apparently was essentially correct. This latest report certainly adds more details. Though the translation is very hard to follow at points, apparently it didn't happen at all in the KL parking lot nor [u]exactly[/u] in the park itself, but rather on the sidewalk out in front of the KL [b]on the Park Morazon [u]side[/u][/b]. Evidently, 2964, who so smugly told us guys to "get it stright", should have gotten it more strAight himself before he cast any stones, since he was way off with his own facts.
BTW, it wasn't on a line going towards the Irish Rose or 100-150 feet from the HDR parking lot. It was practically right on the corner directly in front of the original front entrance to the KL diametrically opposite to where 2964 said it happened. And that makes a world of difference being on totally opposite sides of the KL and DelMar, one being towards a darkened park and exit that we'd rarely if ever use and the other being a relatively well lit highly public, highly trafficked path that most of us take to get between there and the BM.
As for my own initial "speculation", it seems it wasn't so far off the mark. The victim apparently was not a KL working girl, as was suggested later, but rather a regular street denizen. First of all, judging by the photo, she didn't have on typical working girl attire. Also, she went by the nickname "Macha", which is the feminine version of macho, so I'm guessing she was probably one tough and street-hardened chica. And finally, the article stated "se apostaba todas las noches en las afueras del Bar Key Largo en las inmediaciones del Parque Morazán". She spent every night [u]gambling outside[/u] the Key Largo in Morazon Park. If that is not being involved in "some sort of business that she shouldn't have been", I don't know what is. One shouldn't hang out outside in that area at that time of night and one certainly shouldn't mix with the people that do. Apparently her novio Luis "Red" Garcia 19 was assasinated a month and a half ago for having killed a Colombian in fight last April. The Colombians, being as thorough as they are, were just doing some mop-up work.
My later speculation was based in part on the erroneous information provided by 2964, but [u]most[/u] of it appears equally valid. [quote]Also 6 shots "mostly connecting" seems like a pretty extreme and purposeful reaction to someone just resisting a simple robbery. Of course I could be wrong, but this sounds like something a LOT more personal and intentional than just some random robbery. A lot of these chicas have a lot of drama going on their lives. Some are involved in drugs. Some have jealous and/or violent tico novios or esposos. And a few can be pretty violent themselves. This is not the type of violence that is probably going to be directed at any of us.[/quote]Whether the victim turned out to be a KL working chica or a street character, the sort of violence that occurred here is [b]NOT[/b] the type of violence that applies to most of us. Our only real concern if something like this goes down is if we're anywhere near it and if there are any stray bullets.
And throughout that has been exactly my point. This whole thing arose out of our discussion of how safe is it for us to walk around that area at that hour. Our real concern should be the random muggings not targeted violence related to events that we don't typically involve ourselves in. And so this event while interesting and alarming doesn't really have any direct relevance to most of us. It doesn't mean that we risk being similarly targeted and killed. What it does say is what sort of people are out in that area at that time of night and why we should give them as wide a berth as possible.
[QUOTE=Prolijo]As for my own initial "speculation", it seems it wasn't so far off the mark. The victim apparently was not a KL working girl, as was suggested later, but rather a regular street denizen. First of all, judging by the photo, she didn't have on typical working girl attire. Also, she went by the nickname "Macha", which is the feminine version of macho, so I'm guessing she was probably one tough and street-hardened chica. And finally, the article stated "se apostaba todas las noches en las afueras del Bar Key Largo en las inmediaciones del Parque Morazán". She spent every night [u]gambling outside[/u] the Key Largo in Morazon Park. If that is not being involved in "some sort of business that she shouldn't have been", I don't know what is. One shouldn't hang out outside in that area at that time of night and one certainly shouldn't mix with the people that do.[/QUOTE]
As said, if you go anywhere near Morazon park at night (other than Key Largo) you're asking for trouble. The front entrance (by the park) always made me uneasy. I liked to enter through the back way (the parking lot of Del Rey) when I was there. Not sure if they still have that entrance today though as I haven't been there in 5+ years.
David
Sorry, I should have provided more info. I don't read spanish. This murder was posted on CRT. On CRT, there was a big debate about security in SJ. During my visits there I haven't been mugged with a knife or gun. However, the advice I've been given is not to fight back with any mugger in SJ, because they will kill you.
Did they have even have the back entrance 5 years ago? I'm like you. I remember going out that front way many times when I first went to the KL and it always gave me a little case of the creeps. I'd either hover just inside the gate (ready to retreat back inside) until I saw a cab pass by that I could flag down or I'd make a very quick turn to the left and hightail it over towards the Morazon Hotel. And that was back in the day before things were even as bad as they are now. Of course, in some ways things have gotten a little bit better. They didn't have police patrols in the park in the evening back then and there seemed to be even more questionable characters hanging out on that corner of the park that 2964 was talking about between the Irish Rose/Morazon Cafe (or whatever it was back then) and the KL (in front of the then vacant building that is now the Del Mar Restaurant). But in most other ways I think things have gotten much worse. That front entrance is definitely still there and open but, unless they really do start shooting people in the parking lot, it makes a helluva lot more sense to play it safe and use the back entrance on the HDR side.
[QUOTE=Prolijo]Did they have even have the back entrance 5 years ago? I'm like you. I remember going out that front way many times when I first went to the KL and it always gave me a little case of the creeps. I'd either hover just inside the gate (ready to retreat back inside) until I saw a cab pass by that I could flag down or I'd make a very quick turn to the left and hightail it over towards the Morazon Hotel. And that was back in the day before things were even as bad as they are now. Of course, in some ways things have gotten a little bit better. They didn't have police patrols in the park in the evening back then and there seemed to be even more questionable characters hanging out on that corner of the park that 2964 was talking about between the Irish Rose/Morazon Cafe (or whatever it was back then) and the KL (in front of the then vacant building that is now the Del Mar Restaurant). But in most other ways I think things have gotten much worse. That front entrance is definitely still there and open but, unless they really do start shooting people in the parking lot, it makes a helluva lot more sense to play it safe and use the back entrance on the HDR side.[/QUOTE]
Yes. It was around 2002 they put it in. That's roughly when it reopened again if I recall correctly. That site has always been difficult for Del Rey to do much with because it's protected as a historic landmark. You had to enter on the far side of the parking lot opposite Del Rey's restaurant. They were still constructing it back then but you could go in that way. They had a security guy at that door all the time. The inside at that entrance was a mess too. I'm sure it's all spiffy by now.
I rarely went in/out the front way. I can only think of maybe 2-3 times. I was living there at the time for more than a year. I jumped around from staying at Del Rey/Morazon/3 different apartments in SJ, etc. If I wasn't lucky, I ended up with a room opposite KL. Boy was that noisy at night.
David
[QUOTE=DR Monger II]Sorry, I should have provided more info. I don't read spanish. This murder was posted on CRT. On CRT, there was a big debate about security in SJ. During my visits there I haven't been mugged with a knife or gun. However, the advice I've been given is not to fight back with any mugger in SJ, because they will kill you.[/QUOTE]
I believe someone else said it...but gringos/tourists usually aren't the target of muggers in the street. Usually the hookers are more likely to get hit than you -- they are weaker and are likely to have cash late at night if returning from a job. Tourists bring down too much heat. And most are smart enough not to carry much cash. The only reason a tourist might be more attractive is because they probably won't be around long enough to cause any legel problems if someone is caught.
David
[QUOTE=Stevewxly]Alexa ...... Cell phone number: 346-01-85 ...... see web page below from my other report.
Pura Vida Steve[/QUOTE]
Steve,
You may suggest that your "friend" lower her expectations a little. She is cute but nowhere near some of the hot chicas found at DR/BM at those prices. I suggest $75/hr. By mentioning protection, I assume it's gonna be cbj, not bbbj. That's another negative for her. Don't worry, I'm sure she'll find some unknowing newbies (reading the ad from the US) who will gladly cough up that kind of dough for a slightly above-average chica. Good luck.
Why did you write it in Spanish also? Who was that for? Ticos? LOL... No Tico would ever pay anywhere near those prices.
[QUOTE=Artisttyp]Thank you for taking the time to respond. I usually wouldnt consider someplace like costa rica but after looking over the lists and posts for calle 6 action etc. It got my attention.
How much are those outdoor activities from san jose ? I like to do things like that but usually they cost $70 and up and my daily expenses skyrocket.
I enjoyed my time in sosua this summer although I agree its going to the dogs.
I guess I need to put forth the effort into an el salvador expedition.
Thanks again for your response.
Artisttyp[/QUOTE]
Art,
I don't think CR would be for you. It is not a "budget" type of place. You mentioned calle 6. HAVE YOU EVER SEEN MOST OF THE GIRLS WORKING CALLE 6? I wouldn't fuck them with your dick. And no good-looking girl (7+) at Del Rey will take less than $70. Those that go for $60... well you can keep those. There are guys who brag about how they NEVER pay more than $60 and they just visit the Tico MP's. Yet most of them would never post a pic of the hotties they tap at these places. And those that do, well, I think most of us will agree they are worth every penny of that $60. LOL
I'm not trying to rain on your parade, but I just want to give you a heads-up as to what the situation is REALLY like there, so you don't waste your time and money. If you have 25 days, I agree with Prolijo, you can go to Thailand or Rio where the flights are longer and more expensive, but the average cost will be lower.
If you don't want to be around gringos, try Guatemala. I doubt there are many there. CR has tons in every establishment, at least the good establishments.
Kid. I just returned from a 8 day stay in san jose. And I never spent more than 50. 00 on any girl! Also. Have you ever been to 6th street? My guess is no, I was there on wed and found at least 5 girls that could leave 6th street and walk in to the delrey and no one would know it! I only share facts. I don't brag, it you want to only spend 50. 00 on a girl from delrey its really easy. Pick your times. Tell the girl. That is all you spend. Don't let her friends hear you tell her "I only pay 50. 00" if you are trying to get girls at 8. 00 pm at the delrey you will have problems. But if you shop like I do. After 12:00 and even some times 3:00 am 50.00 will get more than 60% of the girls at that hour. Maybe even higher. Stay at the morazan also there is a new mp on 6th street. The rooms are nicer and cleaner than zona blue and on both days I went there. Out of the 8 girls. 2 were at least 7's.
[QUOTE=ChiliMike]Kid. I just returned from a 8 day stay in san jose. And I never spent more than 50. 00 on any girl! Also. Have you ever been to 6th street? My guess is no, I was there on wed and found at least 5 girls that could leave 6th street and walk in to the delrey and no one would know it! I only share facts. I don't brag, it you want to only spend 50. 00 on a girl from delrey its really easy. Pick your times. Tell the girl. That is all you spend. Don't let her friends hear you tell her "I only pay 50. 00" if you are trying to get girls at 8. 00 pm at the delrey you will have problems. But if you shop like I do. After 12:00 and even some times 3:00 am 50.00 will get more than 60% of the girls at that hour. Maybe even higher. Stay at the morazan also there is a new mp on 6th street. The rooms are nicer and cleaner than zona blue and on both days I went there. Out of the 8 girls. 2 were at least 7's.[/QUOTE]
Last time I was there, $50 would get you nearly 100% of the girls during the day. Night is always more expensive. Why wait til 3am when the girls are tired, desperate and more likely to give you the "hurry up" routine once they get back to the room? Unless that's simply when you like to go out. I've never been a late night guy. Unless it's a vacation then I do more late-nighters. When I live in the countries, I keep pretty normal hours.
David
[quote=chilimike]...if you want to only spend 50. 00 on a girl from delrey its really easy. pick your times. tell the girl. that is all you spend. don't let her friends hear you tell her "i only pay 50. 00" if you are trying to get girls at 8. 00 pm at the delrey you will have problems. but if you shop like i do. after 12:00 and even some times 3:00 am 50.00 will get more than 60% of the girls at that hour. maybe even higher.[/quote]that is pretty accurate advice.
not always easy, but it can certainly be done.
timing can be everything. the law of supply and demand is in effect, and there is less demand during
the day and after 3 am.
some of the chicas understand this and realize that their time is a perishable commodity. an hour on
a bar stool doesn't pay her bills.
but not many have an innate mind for business.
however, others can be educated if you take the time to work the situation right. many will never learn.
a lot of the hottest ones only work the peak hours, which can create a problem with pricing
issues. in this case it is best to learn what time they usually come to work and ask them to start
a little earlier by stopping by your room on the way to the del rey.
explain how they won't miss any opportunities during the evening, and will be in a good mood when
they arrive knowing that they already have $50 in their pocket before they even start for the night.
some will get it.
chilimike is correct in that it is important that none of the other chicas overhear your negotiations. the chica
you want is much more likely to turn your offer down if she believes that she will lose face with her peers.
always move her off to an isolated spot before the negotiations begin.
also allow her to save face by coming up 5000 colones, one time, over your initial offer, because you
"like her so much" (never negotiate in dollars). she needs to feel like somehow she won.
t-minus three weeks and counting before i return to san jose.
we'll have to see if i can liven up the photo thread a little bit!
db
while i think kid may have overstated his case (well except for that part about not fucking the calle 6 putas with your dick, which was my line), the general thrust of his case was not that far off. cr pricing is increasingly fucked up. and, while it might seem like a real bargain compared to what we're used to in the us, if you've been to other foreign mongering destinations you'd realize how much it is not really any great bargain compared to most of them.
i wouldn't disagree with my pal chilimike but i think david and my other pal tgom db mentioned some important caveats. you can certainly find daytime hdr chicas for $50 but, as db alluded, the pickings are a lot slimmer during the day and most of the really hot ones only come in at night when they can make the "big money". besides, during the day one can just as easily go to an mp like zb or nf or even a tico place like oasis and get them cheaper still. and as david pointed out by 3am nearly all the chicas are worn out and in a real rush to make their money and go home. i'd add to that observation that in large part the really hot ones have already made their money for the night and have gone home (or for a tln), so the quality and selection similarly dips. in other words, not only is there less demand during those non-peak hours but there is also much less supply and generally lower quality. so, off-hour bargains are to be had, lower daytime or late-night prices is not necessarily an indication of better values as much as a case of you get what you pay for.
obviously we all have our different standards and concepts of beauty. cm can say 25% of the calle 6 women are 7+, but i've been there and in my book that would be a real stretch. maybe that might be the case at some of the nearby tico mp's on calle 4 such as 747 and cha-chas, but not at the pensiones. and i wouldn't have any doubt that some of them could walk into the hdr/bm unnoticed because there are many fat ugly pigs (mixed in amongst the lovelies) at the bm that really have no business being there. otoh, for kid to say "no good-looking girl (7+) at del rey will take less than $70" i'd have to say that is an exaggeration in the other direction. it's true that nowadays many of the 9-10's don't go much below $80 if they even slip off that $100 mark, simply because they don't have to and that is fine with me because i think the 7-8's usually provide better service any way. but you can often get 7-8's for under $70 if you know at all how to negotiate (or else catch them during non-peak hours). $60 is not unheard of and $50 is even possible. however i'll agree with kid this much, most of those $50 gals are at best simply average looking and you really have to wonder about the chicas that some guys claim to get at the hdr for under $50. i'm sure some guys negotiate better than me, but i challenge anyone who claims $40 for a hdr chica who they haven't plied with mucho dinero for food and drinks or hefty propinas on past sessions who isn't plain at best. we've all seen some pretty scary pics that some guys incomprehensibly post proudly and i wonder if those ones are even worth that $40-50. when you get down to it, there's no escaping the basic economic rule that you get what you pay for.
lot of other good tips in those posts though about negotiation techniques about being discrete when lowballing a chica so she can agree without losing face amongst her peers and leaving room to come up from your initial offer so the chica can feel she is winning something. also liked the ones about trying to reason with them about sessioning during their non-prime-time to get a lower rate. unfortunately, i think the part about educating them why it is better to take a 1-3 "low" offers, go and get back than to wind up sitting around the bar for several hours holding out for the "big money" which never comes is much easier said than done for 90% of these chicas. some get it. most don't. and business sense is not their greatest skill.
another approach that i sometimes like to take is to respond to their cien offer with something ridiculuously low like $30 or 15k. btw, dollars are fine for the opeing bid but not for when you get down to amounts you think they'll accept (think about it, $30 is really a dollar more than 15k). invariably, they'll just shake their heads and start to walk away and before they do i'll say "i know my offer is estupido but they don't really believe i would pay cien either. why don't you tell me what you really will go for?" they'll either say cien to which i'll say goodbye, see ya later (why waste my time trying to work down a chica who is going to be so unreasonable?) or they'll make another slightly lower counter offer. in that case, i've gotten them to lower their price first and can come back with a more reasonable offer on my side which they might accept (usually 20-25k but maybe as high as 30k depending on how hot they are). if they don't take that then i'd use db's approach of throwing in another 5k to sweeten the pot.
and as long as we are discussing negotiating techniques lets not forget the non-cash issues: making sure they understand it is hora completo and/or mucho veces and not just until you come one shot and out the door, chuparando sin condon, mucho besos con lengua or whatever else floats your boat (such as fotos sin ropa). and if they won't come off the $100 making it for 2-3 hours or more.
finally, lets not forget the best tool for chica "business education" which is going back by that chica that had blown off your $60 offer and you've seen sitting around the bar for the last 2 hours and pointing out to her that she could have been with you and back by now. you could use that as a chance to try and get her to finally come down. but i like to do that as much to rub it in her face if you say it to her before you leave with another chica (of course that sort of works against your chica getting out of there without giving away how cheaply you got her for, but you don't have to actually tell the first chica how much you paid)
The common thread is my 6,7,8,9,10 is not yours. That does not make mine any less then your 6,7,8,9 or 10.
Here are a few, they all stated at Cien, but those of you who know me know they did not get any where near that. In fact marcela was 9 mil.
Guy’s we have read Prolijos lines about being a genital man and not posting pic’s of any of his woman while holding court on everyone who post pic’s. Well now I know why. Check out this pic I took of Proijo on his way to ZB.
[QUOTE=Member #2964]The common thread is my 6,7,8,9,10 is not yours. That does not make mine any less then your 6,7,8,9 or 10.
Here are a few, they all stated at Cien, but those of you who know me know they did not get any where near that. In fact marcela was 9 mil.[/QUOTE]
Even though it took me a few times to read it, I agree completely with 2964. I'm always amused with the arguments that I read here. No matter what country, there's always this never ending argument.
No matter where I monger, I love to people watch. You'll see guys with ugly fat chicks that I wouldn't pay a cent for, but they have a big grin on their face like they are with a total fox. And good for them. And if they got a good deal on her, even better.
The best thing about places like HDR is there's a girl in a shape or look for everyone. One man's 10 is another man's 5. Looks aren't everything. Personality and attitude go a long way too. I have really high standards which is hurting my game. I hold out the "10" rating for the highest standard and haven't seen one in my travels. I've had a lot of 9s. And once a 9.75 at an FKK in Germany. So I'd not even blink if my idea of a 10 at HDR said $100.
Buying a chica's time is like buying a car. Of course they're going to open with the sticker price. And you can negotiate down. But sometimes if the car is in demand and popular, you might have to pay sticker price.
The other common thread in these discussions is that many guys get almost as much thrill out of getting the best bargain as actually getting the poon. In the reports on ISG, I don't get impressed by people's bargaining skills [especially when I see pictures of some of them]. It is the information on where to find the girls and the market prices I'm interested in. And like buying the car, I'll do the research and pay a price I find fare.
Member 2964. You need to review his posts. (maybe back to the "chase star" days). But the guy has posted picks. And some very hot ones. One more note. If you were lucky enough to be in town when he was. I am sure your trip would improve, since he knows many places and people (girls) and members. Plus he is a good guy!
Chili. The Prolijo love fest is touching. But comeing from a guy who has been to CR how many times now and always wants the members of ISG & CRT to post picks when he himself has posted none.
I know and I know, you know that different people have differant likes and dis-likes.
Enjoy & learn from them. Life is just too dame short.
Thanks, CM. The feeling is mutual. BTW, we need to get together for a few drinks some time. Sorry, I won't be able to make it this Saturday when GT, LK and the others hookup in Largo.
2964,
You're absolutely right that I don't post many photos here. You're absolutely wrong however that I always want or expect people to post pics. What I have said is if they post pics, I think they should do so responsibly. Of course, they're completely free to do whatever they so wish and and as long as they're willing to post those pics publicly they should also be willing to expect some reaction.
Also, whether I post pics or not doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about. Or that I can't recognize horseshit when I see it. To make up for lost time and in the same spirit as the one in which you just posted your pic, here are some pics just for you. BTW, also in the same spirit as you so often like to remind everyone else, the photo gallery is for posting pics and this section is for commentary. You seem to have forgotten that and gotten that reversed with your last few posts in each section.
Pro, great pic's guy. now everyone knows what you go to CR for, what turns you on and how you spend your time.
PS. I'll post pics where ever and when ever.
Who died and made you the web site master?
LOL. Get a life dud.
[QUOTE=Member #2964]Pro, great pic's guy. now everyone knows what you go to CR for, what turns you on and how you spend your time.
PS. I'll post pics where ever and when ever.
Who died and made you the web site master?
LOL. Get a life dud.[/QUOTE]I never said I was the one that took those pics nor was I the one to start posting animal pics, but I'm glad you appreciated them.
Go ahead and post your pics where ever and when ever, but as long as you post them on here they'll be subject to comment. I know you expect guys to only pat you on the back and tell you how cool you are with those pics, but you can't pick and choose.
Of course, no one died and made me the website master, but you seem to think you are. I'm not the one who always complains about others posting commentary on photos in the photo section and then posts commentary of his own there too. I was just giving you a little taste of your own medicine, but evidently that message was too subtle for you. And I'm not the one who started mocking other members posts and saying they take the cake and are ignorant fools. This all started when, OMG, I had the audacity to comment not on other members of this website (like you and your pal 2666) or getting personal about what they were posting but rather speculating on certain events in CR (something entirely appropriate to this site and speculation that, as it happened, turned out to be correct). And then you had to weigh in with your own sarcasm and what turned out to be erroneous information of your own. It seems to me that charges of delusions of grandeur and overly inflated self-importance could be applied quite as easily to both of you.
Anyway, I'm just throwing your cocky and insulting attitude back at you (in spades and as long as you want to play this game). Its tough shit if you don't like it because maybe you should take a look in the mirror and see what you're dishing out yourself. I've got a life, maybe you should get one too, dickhead.
pro. you have again proved my point. You are nothing less then a two faced hypocrite.
Changing you tune and story at every turn.
Also committing a major NO-NO posting someones pic's without giving credit to that person.
Play whatever sick game you need to validate yourself, Your the man.
What's changed? The tune remains exactly the same. Maybe its your hearing that is a little off. I thought it was pretty obvious those weren't my own pics. I guess I underestimated your stupidity. Its not like these were pics of chicas I claimed to session with for dos colones. Unlike you're pics, they weren't posted for self-aggrandizement. So who the fuck really cares who took them? They were obviously just meant as a joke. I really have no idea who took those pics. There were just pics I got somewhere off the web. I suppose next you'll be saying that guys that use thumbnails in their avatars or siglines on other forums (downloaded from avatar sites) should include photo credit too. You're clutching at straws, man. Give it up while you're behind. You're pathetic.
Pro. Thanks again for proving my point about you to the entire thread.
Why don't you girls grow up and get a life. Your posts do nothing.
Why the hell dont the two of you take your ´pissing contests´somewhere else.
I joined this forum to read and write about my experiences in foreign lands.....not to have ´girly cat fights´like the two of you are engaged in.
Do us all a favor......GROW UP and then take a big [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]....measure the distance.....and then the guy who can [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] the further.....will be the winner....and then you can give all this BS a break here on this forum.
Steve
Yeah, this spat is indeed somewhat childish and rapidly becoming a bit tiresome. Having said that, I'd like to say that Prolijo's positive contributions to this board far outweigh his occasionally negative and overly sensitive postings/rebuttals, and greatly exceed the contribtutions of people like Member#2964 and, yes, myself.
Although I have been on the receiving end of a Prolijo critique or two (e.g., possibly over-tipping at Zona Blue), I greatly appreciate the time and effort he puts into his posts and consider him one of the few "godfathers" of this board.
Having said that, let's move on!
I hope the moderator does something to stop this nonsense. Prolijo seems to get some kind of sick satisfaction in ruining forums. He and another poster ruined another Costa Rican site years back.
Steve and MrJS are two guys that I definitely respect. IMHO, MrJS overstates my importance to this board (a "godfather"?) and is too modest in his own self-assessment. In this case, I was wrong and they're absolutely correct. I'll readily admit I often get carried away. At some point much earlier in the debate I should have realized some people will either just "get it" or the never will. At that point I should have just spared the rest of you. Instead of lowering myself to his level and throwing back barbs, I should have just let go what I still consider ridiculuous and offensive posting. As Kid Brooklyn pointed out in the other section, some guys just like to post bullshit in an effort to make themselves look "cooler" or something. And I should have trusted the rest of you to be able to smell the crap when you encounter it.
BTW, I don't exactly recall my past debate with MrJS over ZB tipping but I can imagine. The fact that we both walked away from it with absolutely no ill will towards the other party proves that it is still completely possible to respectfully disagree with other members without being disagreeable.
Anyway, I apologize to the rest of you for my part in taking this thread off topic. Now let's get back to discussing the CR mongering issues that we really come here for.
I got to visit Costa Rica for the fifth time a few weeks ago.. I’ve been getting info here for quite some time and want to thank you all for the valuable infor. My latest trip started with a short stay in Jaco. There isn’t much going on here except for the Beatle bar and a stripper club called Delfunio. We visited Beatle Bar a couple of time but didn’t really see any chicks worth the effort. Most ladies here were 5or 6's and many were older. The stripper club was better. A few good looking girls and they have booths where they do more than just lap dances if you get my meaning. But the prices were high. It was $66 for half hour for the room - only the room. Then the girls wanted $100. I decided to just say "NO" . But I did make a date with one of the girls for the following day. She had great boobs. Her performance was good and not mechanical. She was a perect for the start of the vacation.
In San Jose, we stayed at the HDR. I don't have to tell you guys about this place. All in all a wonderful time was had. I am never disapointed here. And you can gamble.
Pure heaven
Prolijo
Thank you for 'seeing the light'.
As other members concure ,as well as I, your good reports and vast knowledge about CR far outweigh any other small matter ... like your occasional disagreements or spats online with other members.
In my opinion, you are still a valued asset to this forum. And I have learned many things from you about CR in the past, by reading and heeding your insight and usually good advice.
Pura Vida Steve
Hola Guys,
I am fortuneate enough to be in San Jose once again, and this time I am housesitting a very nice, large home in the Plaza del Sol area....about 4 to 5 miles East of SJ.
The home is American owned by absentee ownwers.
It has 6 bedrooms, 7 baths, commcerial kitchen,bar, swimming pool,....and is furnished, and well located.
The home is 'for sale' for $ 300,000.00 USD. We are doing some work on it, and should be finished shortly.
I have personally met, interviewed, and have phone numbers of about 30+ chicas from town who have said they want to come out to the house for a house.warming party.
Now I need about 7 or 8 amigos, who also want to eat, drink, and make merry with my new amigas.
Are there any volunteers?
Please PM me for more details........ Steve
Hey Guys,
Isn"t anyone reading the posts here on the CR daily info page......maybe I need to take out a large advertisement in the New York Times.
I guess I will have all 20 or so chicas that Ive lined up to party with........all to myself.
Steve
[QUOTE=Stevewxly]Hey Guys,
Isn"t anyone reading the posts here on the CR daily info page......maybe I need to take out a large advertisement in the New York Times.
I guess I will have all 20 or so chicas that Ive lined up to party with........all to myself.
Steve[/QUOTE]Sorry, Steve, but I changed my timeshare for the DR this time. Otherwise, I would join you for this event. Have fun.
I would be glad to help you out. Give me a call [blue][Telephone Number deleted by Admin][/blue]
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[QUOTE=Stevewxly]
I have personally met, interviewed, and have phone numbers of about 30+ chicas from town who have said they want to come out to the house for a house.warming party.
Now I need about 7 or 8 amigos, who also want to eat, drink, and make merry with my new amigas.
Are there any volunteers?
Please PM me for more details........ Steve[/QUOTE]
There was a guy that did this a few years back in SJ. He got about 10-15 guys to pay $75-100 each. He lined up a buncha girls. He had a swimming pool, etc. Rule was: girls in the pool had to be at least topless. Everyone was guaranteed at least 1 girl session while at the party.
David
Hi Steve,
How long will you be house sitting for?
Is this a re-occurring job or a one time deal.
Hey David,
That sounds nice, but they have a word for that here, It is called pimping.....and brother if you get caught doing that, they put you in the presidente suite at the grey bar hotel....then they throw away the key.
I had not planned on making any money on this deal....but will perhaps ask for a small donation to help defray the cost of food, drinks, sheets, and towels for the rooms. But I would be happy with 5 or 10 bucks for that.
Keep in touch........the party will be when we get the work finished or nearly so....got the pool filled now with water, but we are having some trouble with the pump.....but hopefully we will get it going tomorrow.
Pura Vida Steve
[QUOTE=Stevewxly]Hey David,
That sounds nice, but they have a word for that here, It is called pimping.....and brother if you get caught doing that, they put you in the presidente suite at the grey bar hotel....then they throw away the key.
I had not planned on making any money on this deal....but will perhaps ask for a small donation to help defray the cost of food, drinks, sheets, and towels for the rooms. But I would be happy with 5 or 10 bucks for that.
Keep in touch........the party will be when we get the work finished or nearly so....got the pool filled now with water, but we are having some trouble with the pump.....but hopefully we will get it going tomorrow.
Pura Vida Steve[/QUOTE]
Hate to break the news to you... the local police could care less. I couldn't even get them to intervene with a street thug that ripped me off one time. They could care less about crime unless it smacks them in the face and directly involves them.
The only exception are girls that are there without proper paperwork (or that overstay their visa). I was at Del Rey once when they raided the place looking for illegals. They blocked all the doors, checked all passports/ids and then finally released the place.
And they aren't that bright either....
There was another time when US law enforcement got a tip that there was a top 10 most wanted in the Monkey Bar. The FBI/SJ police raided the place, took the guy away and locked him up for 3 days. He was offered no food. He had to get delivery food in every day. He ate pretty well apparently. How long do you think it takes to figure out he wasn't the right guy? Myself, other gringos as well as Del Rey staff checked the top 10 list within minutes and could tell he wasn't on the list.
Don't make the mistake of insulting them though....
They WILL take it personaly and haul your a** down to the jail for an interview.
I lived there over a year. I can tell you this from experience. CR police are useless. Actually, police in most of those countries are useless. Corruption is an understatement.
I am not in CR and won't return there. Mongering is a whole lot better in other places.
P.S. Make sure you make it VERY clear to the girls they aren't getting paid to show up. They will expect it for sure. Even if you tell them, they may still ask for something by the time the night is over. The only thing they understand is $$. Anything else is a freebie. They don't take into consideration things such as meals, drinks, or gifts when it comes compensation.
David
So we get there on the 16th.
Wen is the party?
Panda
[QUOTE=Stevewxly]Hey David,
That sounds nice, but they have a word for that here, It is called pimping.....and brother if you get caught doing that, they put you in the presidente suite at the grey bar hotel....then they throw away the key.
I had not planned on making any money on this deal....but will perhaps ask for a small donation to help defray the cost of food, drinks, sheets, and towels for the rooms. But I would be happy with 5 or 10 bucks for that.
Keep in touch........the party will be when we get the work finished or nearly so....got the pool filled now with water, but we are having some trouble with the pump.....but hopefully we will get it going tomorrow.
Pura Vida Steve[/QUOTE]
I will be housesitting until the house sells....or until I get real tired of being here , and want to return to the USA .
Steve
QUOTE=ToroRojo]Hi Steve,
How long will you be house sitting for?
Is this a re-occurring job or a one time deal.[/QUOTE]
The party is still 'on' for house that Iam housesitting near Plaza del Sol......East of San Jose.
The local ticos....workers.... have encountered some problemias with the swimming pool....but when those are resolved, we will schedule the 'fiesta'...complete with all the chicas that I can round up......
Please stay tuned.......it should be a 'real fun time for all'
Pura Vida Steve
Hola Guys,
Looks like the fiesta....house warming party at my house will probably be this coming Sunday.....Nov. 11th.....
We are getting the work done, and should have most everything up and running by Sunday.
I have the phone numbers of about 30 chicas....plus will make a run at 3 to 4 of the local MP´s in the next day or so to invite some of the gals from those too.
Most of the MP´s are closed on Sunday, so the gals who work there have some time off to themselves.....and I know they all like to party and try to make some extra $$$$$.
Plus with 6 bedrooms and 7 private baths at the house......I plan to have the bedrooms available for use for private sessions.
I am working out a plan of the fees......
I really hate to have to charge anything at all......but I am going to out for the food, drinks, and washing of the sheets, towels, plus I would also like to hire a professional doorman....like the hotels downtown have....and also a cooks helper or maid for the day.
I hear from Batboy.....that Jackson has done this similar thing with private parties in Buenes Aires....several times. It is reported that Jackson charges a flat fee of $ 17.00 to $ 20.00 at the door to get in.....and then the sessions with any of the chicas....goes for what you can work out with each girl.
((( I don´t plan to charge anything for the use of the bedrooms per session....except to recoup my fees for the washing of the sheets and towels.)))
There is a large professional bar and professional kitchen in the house.....along with the pool, patio, two dining rooms, etc......and I am a professional chef....of sorts.....former restaurant manager....at one time for the largest (seating for 300 people) ....restaurant in the state of Oklahoma.....in the early ´70´s.
So guys.....the party will be by personal invitation only......you will need to contact me...to get an invitation.....but it should prove to be a good time.....and something a little different than just hanging out at the Del Rey Hotel everynight.....which is where I´ve been almost every night for the last three weeks.
If you frequent the Del Rey....you will surely recognize me....from being there....when you see me.
Please send me a private message if you want a invitation to the party.
I belive the house and grounds can perhaps accomadate around 35-40 or more people.....no problem.
The house is in one of the best neighborhoods in San Jose, and is near Plaza del Sol shopping center....which is approx. 5 miles East of downtown San Jose. It is a 35 cent bus ride from the Del Rey....or about $ 3.50 by taxi.....one way.
Some of the buses.....which will say ¨P. del Sol¨ stop right in front of the Del Rey Hotel....then to 2nd avenida, then out to the house.
Message me........ or call me on my cell phone : 876-2715
Pura Vida Steve
[QUOTE=Stevewxly]
Looks like the fiesta....house warming party at my house will probably be this coming Sunday.....Nov. 11th.....
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You might ask some of the security at Del Rey if you know any of them. They'd probably be willing to do it. Del Rey doesn't pay them squat and they are on their feet all day. They have the advantage of knowing some of their girls already, too.
David
Buena suerte! with the party. Hope it comes off well.
Unfortunately, I won't be in SJO when you have it. I'm coming in late January for several days, so if you plan another soiree, post some info or PM me please. Sounds like a fun alternative to hanging out at the DR or going to the Zona Blue.
Hey David,
I will speak to a couple of the doormen at the DL, and see if they would be interested in a little part-time work.
Thanks for the positive input: Steve
Hey Guys,
Here is the info for my house party which is scheduled for this Sunday at 1-2PM until ????
My local cell number is: 876-2715 ...call me if you need to....and here are the directions.
If you are planning on coming out.....I would like a call first......to know who is coming.......
I will have the chicas coming....if they show up......and we should have a good time.
The swimming pool will be open and ready for use.....so if you want to swim bring a swimming suit and perhaps a towel.
I do have some extra towels....but they are limited.....and am really trying to save them for use in the bedrooms and baths if you choose to session with one of the chicas, while at the party.
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The house is located about 5 to 6 miles East of the Del Rey Hotel...downtown San Jose.
It will cost you about $ 3.50 by taxi out to the house....or you can take a bus for 35 cents.
Taxi directions....tell the driver:
From Plaza del Sol shopping center:
Go 100 meters South (Sur) and 100 meters (Oeste) West of Plaza del Sol.
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Turn on the street between McDonalds and KFC....go one block south....turn right....go one more block West....last house on the right side.....stone retaining wall....three story white house.....dead end street.
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Bus:
Bus should take about 15 minutes from downtown San Jose.....you will be going East (about 2-3 miles) past Mall San Pedro towards Cartago...........
From 2nd Ave. downtown :
Take any bus that is marked: Plaza del Sol...(ask the driver) ...get off the bus, when you see McDonalds and KFC....walk one block South....turn right then one block West....as above.
See you on Sunday.......Steve
PS If you know other guys who might want to come out then just bring them or have them call me:
Steve,
That's really nice, opening up your house for a party everybody.
Wish I was there to join you but will not be in SJ for another month.
Buenas Suerte
NOQ
Steve,
That's really cool; will miss the fiesta but will be in town week after, will drop you a line for the next one.