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Can anyone enlighten me which KTV/Hotel would be the best ones to go to? I'm looking for the most luxurious KTV/hotel with the best girls; price not being an issue.
I have been to Tangxia Goodview Hotel and find the hotel to be absolutely outstanding 5+++star resort however the girls at KTV seems to lack a little.
Any insight would be appreciated. thx guys..
[QUOTE=Goderos]hey rising son,
glad to see you are finally making the pilgrimage.
why dont you get your visa done now, state side rather than waiting till you get to PP. alternatively you can get it done in HK. I've never tried to getting it one for China in PP.
have fun![/QUOTE]
to rising son
I agree with Gorderos you should get the china visa in US if you are too busy have your travel agent do it for you my agent charge me $20 usd service fee and china visa one entry is 50 usd .
I not sure there are even a china consulate in phnom penh or not you don't want to waste your time on vacation another options is get it in hong kong
cost you alot for a express visa .
fast eddie 48
[QUOTE=Rising Son]Hi, Everybody --
I've got a ticket to Shenzhen on the 3rd of March and am heading to CP on that evening. Problem is, my Chinese visa.
I'm leaving the States for SE Asia in about six days and it's going to be tight to get the visa here. Does anyone know how easy/hard/impossible it will be to get one in Phnom Penh?
Any guidance will be appreciated. It's pretty much an all-day thing just for me to get to the Chinese consulate here and then another day to go back and pick up the visa. If it can be done in PP, that would be great.
Anyone konw?
Thanks,
RS[/QUOTE]
RS,
Yes there is a Chinese embassy in PP. And guess what, its located on Mao Tsetung Blvd (St 245) so should be easy to remember as you are already familiar with PP.
It is always possible as almost all embassy issues visas, but dont know the cost or time involved. Since I dont know all the requirements for getting a China visa from PP, it may be more convenient just to get one here before leaving.
If you absolutely cant get one stateside and you plan to be in PP for awhile then it is possible from PP, like I said, dont know the time or cost though.
PT
[QUOTE=Underpsi]Can anyone enlighten me which KTV/Hotel would be the best ones to go to? I'm looking for the most luxurious KTV/hotel with the best girls; price not being an issue.
I have been to Tangxia Goodview Hotel and find the hotel to be absolutely outstanding 5+++star resort however the girls at KTV seems to lack a little.
Any insight would be appreciated. thx guys..[/QUOTE]
I just went to Goodview for the first time a couple of weeks ago and I found the lineups first rate - however, I was there before 7pm already when the pickings were still very good. I lost count after about 100 girls ranging from 6-9+.
[b]Day 1 (TH) Arrival; first shopping tour; first night in CP[/b]
Cp is only a 20 min cab ride away from where I live (ZMT), but never went there. So I took the chance to meet Crazier there and went to CP and the whole trip went un-expected.
Checked-in at Miraton, went with Crazier to Yalan for a shopping tour. First stop was above the restaurant across Yalan Hotel. This floor is now a KTV link and what I saw it should be possible to go upstairs through a side entrance (on the right side) of the restaurant and not through the restaurant, which makes a little bit "comfortable" for some of us. Including me.
The selection was not bad from my POV. As Laowai I am not just walking in, pointing at a girl, pay and leave with (or without the girl when she will come to the room later). I take some minutes to observe the selection what many times is not easy, because the mamas want to push you to a girl or just doing other things with you and your "little brother".
When I look around I try to figure which of the girls is putting attention to me, start and keeping smiling. Then I start talking with these girls to get to know them a little bit better and to relax the situation. They know that we Laowais have a different size and so, many of them are scared. Through the talk with the girl I try to find out if she is too scared or just a little bit and curious too. I am more into GFE/LT as in the action itself, so I take this time. However, I found one, wrote her name on mamas card. I didn't book her, because I wanted to go to the other shops first.
Left the shop, went downstairs, waited outside and saw a group of Laowais and Asian looking guys in front of Yalan Hotel. One of them waved his hand, I waved back even I did not know these guys, they came over and one started asking us: "Do you know ISG? ". ISG? . Never heard of this. Hehe. It came out that we met OAH, Wadman, Santa and Bill Lee. After a short conversation, we continued our shopping tour split up, but we met not only one time during this afternoon tour in this area.
Crazier and I continued the tour which brought us also to Babys shop which was a little bit away from Yalan core scene. One girl there got my attention and Craziers too. Yes, it came out that we favor the same girls. Crazier booked this girl and I promised another cute one to take her another time, what I tried four times, but it seems that she left or whatever. Baby always told me a different kind of story. Blabla.
As I did not find any other girl which I really would like to have LT I went back to book my first selection. Crazier, I and Wadman, who came over later, had dinner with our girls before we went back to Miraton. The night with my girl was just "soso".
[b]Day 2 (FR). The day I intended to leave; extending the stay; the day when HK mongers are arriving. [/b]
As I was impressed from the amount of girls and the night before was just "soso", I decided to extend for one (! ) night.
After breakfast with Crazier he showed me the shops behind HuiMei. We went to three shops and I found two in one shop and one in another shop. Kept their names on mamas card as we decided to have another tour at Yalan. Before we went to Yalan we had a look in "shop" at JiaMei hotel behind HuiMei next to the other shops, but the selection was not special.
Back to Yalan, our faces showed up, mamas surrounding us and pushing us to their shop. We went upstairs to one shop behind Yalan hotel. The selection was from my POV not bad but the three mamas where not given time to have a look and talks with the girls, they were a little bit aggressive and we decided to leave.
Went to other shops, but I can't find one which I would take, even there were some cuties and GFE looking girls, but they gave me a scared impression and I did not want to push it. I called one mama from a shop behind HuiMei to book one the two girls I would like to have as I did not expect anything else at Yalan.
Finally we went to the location behind Yalan hotel where two shops a located in a big room. We went to the right one and there a young one approached me, gave me a gum and continued talking with me. As she was cute and a funny I decided to take her instead the other girls and called mama that I will not take her, because of. Blabla. Paid mama and told the girl to come over later.
Whole Yalan was flooded by HK mongers starting around 4/5pm. It's a strange and crazy view. Yalan during rush hour and big biz time.
When I arrived at Miraton she was already waiting as we were late. She was a real cute and funny girl and just arrived in CP two weeks before. As I had bad experiences before I talked with her what I would like to have or better said I would like to get from her. She was scared and refused e. G. BJ with the excuse she does not know how. I was starting thinking "not again, not again" and "Why I did not discuss this at the shop" but decided to give her a chance. I told her, in case she really does not know I do not have a problem to teach her, but she must have the will for it and in case she cheats me I will kick her out immediately. She said that she wants and so we had a slow first round without BJ. This round was unexpected a good one, for me and her.
After a break and late dinner I wanted to start the "education round", but she refused and said "tomorrow". This was too much for me, as I know this kind of game of "tomorrow". Yes, tomorrow is a new day and tomorrow you don't feel good or want to leave before sunrise. Forget it was my first thought and I am following in such situation this thought.
So I told her to leave and looked at her in an appropriate "angry" look. She became like paralyzed, her body was shaking and she started crying and this for more than an hour in total. Oh my goodness. "What did I? " was my first thought. As the whole thing and the way it happened it could not have been a show. A show you can keep for a short time, but this thing was more than an hour.
She started to say "I want to go home now" and repeated this every five minutes like a machine. From the first moment I told her that she can leave whenever she wants, but it seems that she was not able to leave. So I gave her time and started talking with her, tried to get some more background infos. I will not post anything what she told me, as many of you maybe will tell me that this was just a story or whatever. I don't know if it was, but within this situation I am not sure if you can be such a good actress for a long time, so I keep this a true story. We all know, that there is a story behind every girl doing this biz. This night I think I heard the one of this girl, lying paralyzed and crying in my bed. The whole time.
Anyhow, she left after more than an hour and I paid her full LT + cab ride without thinking twice about it.
[b]Day 3 (SA). Checking out. And in; cheating girl and mama; happy end[/b]
Breakfast with Crazier, time to discuss what happened last night and I am checking out before noon. As Crazier invited me to his room for tea/coffee I stayed longr in CP and we had a nice conversation (thx Crazier). It's evening now, what to do. Oh no, I want to check in again.
Went down to check-in again and went up to my room for a shower. I called mama from a shop behind HuiMei and booked the girl which I booked on Day 2 but canceled. Headed to the shop to pay and picking up her for dinner with Crazier.
The girl was from my POV a nice one, but her attitude from the first moment was strange. She gave me the impression to be with her thoughts not present. During dinner she was pushing me to leave. After we paid and left the table she rushed out of the restaurant having a phone call. I did not give this a lot of attention. But I should have had. We went back to Miraton but not rushing it, passed the 7/1 shop to buy some stuff. She started pushing again to go to the room. I was thinking that she maybe want to be indoor quickly and told her to wait at the elevator for me. When I came to the elevators I saw her writing a SMS but again I did not give this a lot of attention. But I should have had. Went to the room and immediately when I closed the door she said "Wo xiang kan ta" (I want to see him) and pointed to my "little friend". I smiled and showed him the girl of the upcoming night. Immediately she started saying, no it was a kind of shouting, that he is so big and she will not do it. "What the hell is going on here? " I was thinking that this was the first kind of such "show". She told me to go with her to the shop to pick another one. But I refused to do this as I planned to go to pick up my CNY100. I called mama what happened and told her that will come over to get back the CNY100
She left and I called Crazier. I asked him to accompany me to pick up the deposit. On the way to the mama I called the mama of another shop in this alley to book one of the girl I saw on Day 2. As it was around 9pm and Saturday the chance that she was still available was not high, but she was and I booked her. I told mama that I have to pick up the deposit from another mama first.
Crazier also told me that, from his POV the girl has a weekend regular showing up and so cheating the whole thing to get rid off me. Now, I was realizing all the strange things before.
We arrived at the shop of this cheating mama but mama was not there. After another call and few minutes she came over. I told her again what happened and asked for my CNY100 back. She tried to force me to choose another girl which I refused and then she started telling me something about CNY50. This was the moment I decided to go on DEFCON Level 2 (Defence Control) as I am tired of this Chinese bullshit what the do with foreigners when money is in the game/discussion. I told her. It was more in a level of shouting. To give back the CNY100. She continued telling me something about CNY50 and I was continuously saying "100, I am not here to chat with you, 100, 100, I am not here to chat with you, 100, 100, . ". After around 15 minutes she gave me CNY100 which I took after checking it was a real or fake note.
For the records:
Name of cheating mamasan: ? , Xiao Lin, 134 33001933; see attached scan of her card
Name of cheating girl: Ai Hua from Hubei, 19
After this intermezzo I and the mama of my new girl left the scene so I can hook up with the girl away from the scene. Unexpected she was smiling and had a very friendly attitude from the first moment on. On the way back Crazier recommended to change the room as we don't know what is going on in the brain of these people. Crazier gave my girl accompany and I rushed back to the hotel. Explained the situation to the AM on duty and I got a new room. AM David was very friendly, like all the staff at Miraton, attended me to bring my stuff from my old room to the new one. In front of the new room my "new" girl was already waiting as I send Crazier a SMS with my new room number.
The following night was the happy end of this day. The girl was like a GF from the first moment and we both enjoyed the night. It was wonderful. A real happy end.
[u]Summary/Recommendation about the cheating girl and her mama[/u]: The entertainment areas of South China are over flooded by HK mongers between FR evening and Sunday Evening, additionally during holidays in HK. I am sure that I would not have had the troubles with this girl and her mama too during weekdays. During weekend you have to deal with the fact that regulars of girls are coming and they pay sometimes more or do whatever, so the girls want to stay with them. I recommend to stay away from these areas when you are not known as a regular customer of a girl or at least her mama. But the girls will tell you any excuse to get rid of you. From ZMT I know that weekend is rush hour and big biz time for girls and mamas. The girls do not want LT, they want ST and this as short as possible. The girls will refuse you or not putting attention on you, when you want LT. Weekend is big biz time in South China entertainment areas. And not only there.
I collected on my last day in CP names of girls which I will try to book during my next stay/visit in CP. This stay/visit will be during weekdays. On weekends only when I in accompany with other friends and I have a girl and know that she is not cheating me. A regular one.
The trouble with her mama is a bad behavior of her, the well known short-view thinking of many Chinese people. They want all your money now and not thinking about a longterm relation. She lost at least two customers.
M2c
[b]Day 4 (SU, New Year Eve). Checking out. And in again; 2nd night with my happy end from the day before[/b]
After breakfast with Crazier I checked out and headed with Crazier for a foot massage at HuiHua hotel next to Miraton. After the massage I called my taxi from ZMT to pick me up at Miraton.
Around 5pm a friend called me and asked what I will do on this New Year Eve evening. I said, that I just came back from three days CP and don't have anything scheduled. He told me that some of our friends will go to Lion KTV in CP and asked me if I want to come. Hmm. CP again. Oh my goodness. I said yes, we arranged a pick-up time.
I am not anymore in KTV, as I don't know why I should pay 500/800 for something I can get cheaper and mostly better other where. So, I decided to book the girl from last night again. I called her, explained the situation (going to KTV and so), she said yes, I called Miraton to book a room again.
My friend picked me up and brought me to Miraton, where the staff welcomed me with a big, big smile. "Long time not see. ". Checked-in for one (! ) night, stored my bag in the room, my girl was already waiting at the lobby and we went to Lion KTV. KTV was fun, because I had a gril I know. Played teh dice game, drank some turns of beers, my girl enjoyed singing. She was happy and so I was happy too. After midnight we went back to Miraton, my friend was staying at Lion KTV longer.
The following second night with her was wonderful again, with a touch more happiness.
[b]Day 5 (MO, New Year Day). Extending the stay; the arrival of "Seniors". [/b]
During breakfast #4 with Crazier Wadman sent me a SMS, that he, OAH, Bill Lee, Santa and AG will come to CP this afternoon. Hmm. I really wanted to stay only one night again. Ok. It comes, as it comes. Headed to the front desk and extended for one night. This was done with a big smile by the staff.
Anyhow, I had a problem: I was running out of coffee, good fresh grinded coffee from my home country. So, I decided to head back to ZMT to fill up my coffee box. Called my taxi, back in my apartment, back to CP. Ready for action. Call me whatever you want, but I need my portion (s) of coffee everyday. "Seniors Members" need girls, I am a "Regular Member". So have to deal with coffee until I am "senior". : D
After the whole group. AG, OAH, Santa, Wadman, Bill Lee, Crazier and I. Was settled at Miraton we headed to Yalan. We split up to make the hunt a little bit easier for us and the mamas. I was not really in the mood to hunt a new girl, as the girl form my last two nights were still in my head, but finally settled in one of a shop next to the SilverStar KTV link. The left shop with Jenny as mama.
She came to my room, we chatted a bit and showered then. As I am more in GF type girls I try to find out if the girl is in this kind of "service" by DATY her. She was a bit scared but let it go and it seemed that she enjoyed it. Then it was time to "serve" me and she went with her head down for a blow job not forgetting to put the blanket over her head. "What the hell is going on now? , Do you want to give me a fake BJ? " where my thoughts. I put the blanket away but she put it over her head again and I started to become angry. After less then two minutes she stopped whatever she did under the blanket moved her head beside the bed and spit on the floor. "Stop, Stop. This is too much for me! " were my though and I asked her in an appropriate manner "Where do you think are? ".
During this a SMS from Wadman showed up on my phone, I took the "chance" to send a reply and also send a SMS to my girl from the last two nights asking if she is available, as I decided in this moment not to keep the girl on my bed for LT. After this I wanted to do the deed, my little friend was a little bit off strong shape after the SMS work, but strong enough for a condom. I pulled it on and wanted to enter her when she pulled the blanked over her head. I looked around 30 secs at this situation. My friend ready to enter, her face covered by the blanket. I put teh blanked away and asked what the problem is. She answered that I am angry, yes I am angry and decided to stop the action. Pulled the condom of and said sent her out.
Cleaned up the bathroom/room and called the mama of my regular girl to send her over. She arrived and the situation changed from strange to a normal. With my girl and the other guys we went for Dinner. Only AG showed up with a girl too.
After Dinner Crazier and I decided to go to the American Bar across of Miraton. We settled in the more silent area, the two girls played pool billiard together, we chatted with the bar manager from Philippines, a friend of Crazier showed up, live bands from Philippines were playing. It was from my POV a very nice time.
Around midnight we headed to our rooms. The third night with my girl was again a very good one.
[b]Day 6 (TU). Final check out; relaxing remaining time in CP[/b]
I canceled breakfast as I wanted to stay with my girl as long as possible. Before noon I checked out, stored my bag at the hotel and headed with the guys for foot massage at the massage link of HuiMei hotel (across the hotel, right hand of Virgin hotel sauna). After chatting and joking with the massage girls, Bill, Santa and I left Wadman and AG who decided to add another massage time.
Bill lead me to the catacombs of CP. Was an impressive tour, to see how the locals men are satisfying their sex urge. Some nice looking girls their, but the environment.
After this we all went to Yalan for shopping. As I was not staying overnight anymore I just wrote down the name of girls I would like to have the next time. Got a good selection and will try to meet them soon.
After the shopping tour we went back to Miraton and I had a short relaxing time at Miratons lobby. It's always great to sit next to the elevators for watching girls, getting their attention and phone numbers. Sometime it's like a continously line-up. Later, we. Except Crazier, who had another appointment. Headed for dinner. During Dinner Bill decided to have a look at JiaYi (Bill, TaoYuan in English: D). So we headed to JiaYi being confrontated that they will show us the girls only when we book a room with a minimum charge of CNY380 (when I remember right, please correct me guys). As many of us won't pay to see girls, we left and walked to Amazon. AG arranged that we can have a look at the flower street.
Arrived at Amazon, the flower street was small. Just something around 40 girls. After we showed up, some girls approached me and Santa. Bill and Santa took a bath within the girls, I stayed beside the scene with two girls hanging on my arms, but after a while they realized that we will not stay. So, after a while we left the flower street, Santa with a bunch of girls. Hehe. I had the impression that he would like to stay.
Short note about Amazon from my POV:
I like the environment more than other KTVs. JiaYi, after what I could see during my two short visits, is too "clean". Like many other KTVs. Of course when you reduce your demands for a KTV to girls, drinks and so on, then every KTV will do it. I need something more to cross the inner border to stay and select a girl at a KTV, something Amazon maybe can give me. But I never tried it. Will try it, with the right group, otherwise it does not make fun.
After this we headed back to Miraton. I picked-up my bag, they other guys were heading to a sauna link, I was waiting for my cab.
Summary:
One night became five nights. It was a great time with all the other guys. Thx for your support and accompany. Hope to meet you in CP or wherever again. As I live just 20min from CP away. The mamas will see me again very soon.
LW
PS: Please give feedback in case you would like to have such a long report split into many small ones. Thx
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Please note the direction of North on this map.
[QUOTE=Guy I]I just went to Goodview for the first time a couple of weeks ago and I found the lineups first rate - however, I was there before 7pm already when the pickings were still very good. I lost count after about 100 girls ranging from 6-9+.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your input, maybe they have changed the line up since i went there few months back and i didn't sit down under about 8pm.
Any other top choice selections in Dongguan? How is Crown Prince? Or any top rate ones in Houjie area?
Thanks
[QUOTE=Laowai123]Anyhow, I had a problem: I was running out of coffee, good fresh grinded coffee from my home country. So, I decided to head back to ZMT to fill up my coffee box. Called my taxi, back in my apartment, back to CP. Ready for action. Call me whatever you want, but I need my portion (s) of coffee everyday. "Seniors Members" need girls, I am a "Regular Member". So have to deal with coffee until I am "senior". : D
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It is not so much of the Regular or Senior Member thing ...
I am sure many board members like to hook up and hunt in a pack, regardless of whether you are a Regular member or Senior member. I remembered when I met Wadman; he is a Regular member with 3 posts. When I met a few others, they are just to same... a couple of posts and regular member. Though with that little numbers of posts, each post is a great post!
I should say, if a Rookie to the board comes into ISG and thinking he is Mr. know it all, or he is a Cowboy with a six shooter and start "gunning" down others reports, that would make him very un-popular and thus I don't think anyone would love to hang around with him. Since he is a Mr. "Know it all", why does he need to hang out with anyone any ways? He do not even need to read the board, Just roll into any town and bang away!
The board members appreciate members who love to share their experiences and information on place which they had been to. Members also hate people to use the board like a Helpdesk; a lot of time and money was spent by members to put up these posts and if they do not like to Read them, and use this like a chat board than no-one else will like to post anything on the board anymore.
The worst members of the kind will be those who not only do not contributes but spent their time posting faming others members.
Some of your information posted in your post was great! For example: About that Xiao Lin mama in which you had hit the nail on the head! Warn any others to stay away from that girl and her mama. This is what we needed on the board Information! Not bragging or faming.
AG
Dear fellow members,
Hi all! I'm new to this forum and would love to contribute soon. Following the recent painful break up with my gf (right before new year), I decided to go to Dong Guan this month (either 12th-14th Jan or 18th-21st Jan) to ease my trouble.
A couple of my buddies will be joining me this trip and are hoping that we can get some advice or even better company from experienced forum members to the said places. We're from Malaysia, very easy going and friendly (don't speak much mandarin unfortunately).
So please lend a brother a hand. Thank you all!
Hi Lenny, Your pin for the Miraton is actually on the Hui Hua. Miraton is on the corner. You have the entrance to the Catacombs precisely with the pathways extending to the East on your map. Thanks for posting the Google Earth Map. The next exercise should be a pin to JiaYi's Taoyuan Recreation City! Its up by the Versailles' Amazon. Keep up the good work.[QUOTE=Happy Lenny]Please note the direction of North on this map.[/QUOTE]
Your report is very detailed and accurate and should help many members. Having just left CP on Dec 7 and chatted with some of the HKers in the SilverStar your observations are excellent. Though I did not see the outside entance to the shop above the restaurant across from the Yalan Hotel. I thought their selection was excellent and immediatlely took one back to the HuiHua for a very nice quicky. JiaYi girls have been outstanding and would do multiples of them again. Your format is fine. Keep up the good work you lucky dog! (Wow, only 20 minutes away!) [QUOTE=Laowai123][be]Day 1 (TH) Arrival; first shopping tour; first night in CP[/be]
Cp is only a 20 min cab ride away from where I live (ZMT), but never went there. So I took the chance to meet Crazier there and went to CP and the whole trip went un-expected.
Checked-in at Miraton, went with Crazier to Yalan for a shopping tour. First stop was above the restaurant across Yalan Hotel. This floor is now a KTV link and what I saw it should be possible to go upstairs through a side entrance (on the right side) of the restaurant and not through the restaurant, which makes a little bit "comfortable" for some of us. Including me.
The selection was not bad from my POV. As Laowai I am not just walking in, pointing at a girl, pay and leave with (or without the girl when she will come to the room later). I take some minutes to observe the selection what many times is not easy, because the mamas want to push you to a girl or just doing other things with you and your "little brother".
When I look around I try to figure which of the girls is putting attention to me, start and keeping smiling. Then I start talking with these girls to get to know them a little bit better and to relax the situation. They know that we Laowais have a different size and so, many of them are scared. Through the talk with the girl I try to find out if she is too scared or just a little bit and curious too. I am more into GFE/LT as in the action itself, so I take this time. However, I found one, wrote her name on mamas card. I didn't book her, because I wanted to go to the other shops first.
Left the shop, went downstairs, waited outside and saw a group of Laowais and Asian looking guys in front of Yalan Hotel. One of them waved his hand, I waved back even I did not know these guys, they came over and one started asking us: "Do you know ISG? ". ISG? . Never heard of this. Hehe. It came out that we met OAH, Wadman, Santa and Bill Lee. After a short conversation, we continued our shopping tour split up, but we met not only one time during this afternoon tour in this area.
Crazier and I continued the tour which brought us also to Babys shop which was a little bit away from Yalan core scene. One girl there got my attention and Craziers too. Yes, it came out that we favor the same girls. Crazier booked this girl and I promised another cute one to take her another time, what I tried four times, but it seems that she left or whatever. Baby always told me a different kind of story. Blabla.
As I did not find any other girl which I really would like to have LT I went back to book my first selection. Crazier, I and Wadman, who came over later, had dinner with our girls before we went back to Miraton. The night with my girl was just "soso".
[be]Day 2 (FR). The day I intended to leave; extending the stay; the day when HK mongers are arriving. [/be]
As I was impressed from the amount of girls and the night before was just "soso", I decided to extend for one (! ) night.
After breakfast with Crazier he showed me the shops behind HuiMei. We went to three shops and I found two in one shop and one in another shop. Kept their names on mamas card as we decided to have another tour at Yalan. Before we went to Yalan we had a look in "shop" at JiaMei hotel behind HuiMei next to the other shops, but the selection was not special.
Back to Yalan, our faces showed up, mamas surrounding us and pushing us to their shop. We went upstairs to one shop behind Yalan hotel. The selection was from my POV not bad but the three mamas where not given time to have a look and talks with the girls, they were a little bit aggressive and we decided to leave.
Went to other shops, but I can't find one which I would take, even there were some cuties and GFE looking girls, but they gave me a scared impression and I did not want to push it. I called one mama from a shop behind HuiMei to book one the two girls I would like to have as I did not expect anything else at Yalan.
Finally we went to the location behind Yalan hotel where two shops a located in a big room. We went to the right one and there a young one approached me, gave me a gum and continued talking with me. As she was cute and a funny I decided to take her instead the other girls and called mama that I will not take her, because of. Blabla. Paid mama and told the girl to come over later.
Whole Yalan was flooded by HK mongers starting around 4/5pm. It's a strange and crazy view. Yalan during rush hour and big biz time.
When I arrived at Miraton she was already waiting as we were late. She was a real cute and funny girl and just arrived in CP two weeks before. As I had bad experiences before I talked with her what I would like to have or better said I would like to get from her. She was scared and refused e. G. BJ with the excuse she does not know how. I was starting thinking "not again, not again" and "Why I did not discuss this at the shop" but decided to give her a chance. I told her, in case she really does not know I do not have a problem to teach her, but she must have the will for it and in case she cheats me I will kick her out immediately. She said that she wants and so we had a slow first round without BJ. This round was unexpected a good one, for me and her.
After a break and late dinner I wanted to start the "education round", but she refused and said "tomorrow". This was too much for me, as I know this kind of game of "tomorrow". Yes, tomorrow is a new day and tomorrow you don't feel good or want to leave before sunrise. Forget it was my first thought and I am following in such situation this thought.
So I told her to leave and looked at her in an appropriate "angry" look. She became like paralyzed, her body was shaking and she started crying and this for more than an hour in total. Oh my goodness. "What did I? " was my first thought. As the whole thing and the way it happened it could not have been a show. A show you can keep for a short time, but this thing was more than an hour.
She started to say "I want to go home now" and repeated this every five minutes like a machine. From the first moment I told her that she can leave whenever she wants, but it seems that she was not able to leave. So I gave her time and started talking with her, tried to get some more background infos. I will not post anything what she told me, as many of you maybe will tell me that this was just a story or whatever. I don't know if it was, but within this situation I am not sure if you can be such a good actress for a long time, so I keep this a true story. We all know, that there is a story behind every girl doing this biz. This night I think I heard the one of this girl, lying paralyzed and crying in my bed. The whole time.
Anyhow, she left after more than an hour and I paid her full LT + cab ride without thinking twice about it.
[be]Day 3 (SA). Checking out. And in; cheating girl and mama; happy end[/be]
Breakfast with Crazier, time to discuss what happened last night and I am checking out before noon. As Crazier invited me to his room for tea/coffee I stayed longr in CP and we had a nice conversation (thx Crazier). It's evening now, what to do. Oh no, I want to check in again.
Went down to check-in again and went up to my room for a shower. I called mama from a shop behind HuiMei and booked the girl which I booked on Day 2 but canceled. Headed to the shop to pay and picking up her for dinner with Crazier.
The girl was from my POV a nice one, but her attitude from the first moment was strange. She gave me the impression to be with her thoughts not present. During dinner she was pushing me to leave. After we paid and left the table she rushed out of the restaurant having a phone call. I did not give this a lot of attention. But I should have had. We went back to Miraton but not rushing it, passed the 7/1 shop to buy some stuff. She started pushing again to go to the room. I was thinking that she maybe want to be indoor quickly and told her to wait at the elevator for me. When I came to the elevators I saw her writing a SMS but again I did not give this a lot of attention. But I should have had. Went to the room and immediately when I closed the door she said "Wo xiang kan ta" (I want to see him) and pointed to my "little friend". I smiled and showed him the girl of the upcoming night. Immediately she started saying, no it was a kind of shouting, that he is so big and she will not do it. "What the hell is going on here? " I was thinking that this was the first kind of such "show". She told me to go with her to the shop to pick another one. But I refused to do this as I planned to go to pick up my CNY100. I called mama what happened and told her that will come over to get back the CNY100
She left and I called Crazier. I asked him to accompany me to pick up the deposit. On the way to the mama I called the mama of another shop in this alley to book one of the girl I saw on Day 2. As it was around 9pm and Saturday the chance that she was still available was not high, but she was and I booked her. I told mama that I have to pick up the deposit from another mama first.
Crazier also told me that, from his POV the girl has a weekend regular showing up and so cheating the whole thing to get rid off me. Now, I was realizing all the strange things before.
We arrived at the shop of this cheating mama but mama was not there. After another call and few minutes she came over. I told her again what happened and asked for my CNY100 back. She tried to force me to choose another girl which I refused and then she started telling me something about CNY50. This was the moment I decided to go on DEFCON Level 2 (Defence Control) as I am tired of this Chinese bullshit what the do with foreigners when money is in the game/discussion. I told her. It was more in a level of shouting. To give back the CNY100. She continued telling me something about CNY50 and I was continuously saying "100, I am not here to chat with you, 100, 100, I am not here to chat with you, 100, 100, . ". After around 15 minutes she gave me CNY100 which I took after checking it was a real or fake note.
For the records:
Name of cheating mamasan: ? , Xiao Lin, 134 33001933; see attached scan of her card
Name of cheating girl: Ai Hua from Hubei, 19
After this intermezzo I and the mama of my new girl left the scene so I can hook up with the girl away from the scene. Unexpected she was smiling and had a very friendly attitude from the first moment on. On the way back Crazier recommended to change the room as we don't know what is going on in the brain of these people. Crazier gave my girl accompany and I rushed back to the hotel. Explained the situation to the AM on duty and I got a new room. AM David was very friendly, like all the staff at Miraton, attended me to bring my stuff from my old room to the new one. In front of the new room my "new" girl was already waiting as I send Crazier a SMS with my new room number.
The following night was the happy end of this day. The girl was like a GF from the first moment and we both enjoyed the night. It was wonderful. A real happy end.
[you]Summary/Recommendation about the cheating girl and her mama[/you]: The entertainment areas of South China are over flooded by HK mongers between FR evening and Sunday Evening, additionally during holidays in HK. I am sure that I would not have had the troubles with this girl and her mama too during weekdays. During weekend you have to deal with the fact that regulars of girls are coming and they pay sometimes more or do whatever, so the girls want to stay with them. I recommend to stay away from these areas when you are not known as a regular customer of a girl or at least her mama. But the girls will tell you any excuse to get rid of you. From ZMT I know that weekend is rush hour and big biz time for girls and mamas. The girls do not want LT, they want ST and this as short as possible. The girls will refuse you or not putting attention on you, when you want LT. Weekend is big biz time in South China entertainment areas. And not only there.
I collected on my last day in CP names of girls which I will try to book during my next stay/visit in CP. This stay/visit will be during weekdays. On weekends only when I in accompany with other friends and I have a girl and know that she is not cheating me. A regular one.
The trouble with her mama is a bad behavior of her, the well known short-view thinking of many Chinese people. They want all your money now and not thinking about a longterm relation. She lost at least two customers.
M2c
[be]Day 4 (SU, New Year Eve). Checking out. And in again; 2nd night with my happy end from the day before[/be]
After breakfast with Crazier I checked out and headed with Crazier for a foot massage at HuiHua hotel next to Miraton. After the massage I called my taxi from ZMT to pick me up at Miraton.
Around 5pm a friend called me and asked what I will do on this New Year Eve evening. I said, that I just came back from three days CP and don't have anything scheduled. He told me that some of our friends will go to Lion KTV in CP and asked me if I want to come. Hmm. CP again. Oh my goodness. I said yes, we arranged a pick-up time.
I am not anymore in KTV, as I don't know why I should pay 500/800 for something I can get cheaper and mostly better other where. So, I decided to book the girl from last night again. I called her, explained the situation (going to KTV and so), she said yes, I called Miraton to book a room again.
My friend picked me up and brought me to Miraton, where the staff welcomed me with a big, big smile. "Long time not see. ". Checked-in for one (! ) night, stored my bag in the room, my girl was already waiting at the lobby and we went to Lion KTV. KTV was fun, because I had a gril I know. Played teh dice game, drank some turns of beers, my girl enjoyed singing. She was happy and so I was happy too. After midnight we went back to Miraton, my friend was staying at Lion KTV longer.
The following second night with her was wonderful again, with a touch more happiness.
[be]Day 5 (MO, New Year Day). Extending the stay; the arrival of "Seniors". [/be]
During breakfast #4 with Crazier Wadman sent me a SMS, that he, OAH, Bill Lee, Santa and AG will come to CP this afternoon. Hmm. I really wanted to stay only one night again. Ok. It comes, as it comes. Headed to the front desk and extended for one night. This was done with a big smile by the staff.
Anyhow, I had a problem: I was running out of coffee, good fresh grinded coffee from my home country. So, I decided to head back to ZMT to fill up my coffee box. Called my taxi, back in my apartment, back to CP. Ready for action. Call me whatever you want, but I need my portion (s) of coffee everyday. "Seniors Members" need girls, I am a "Regular Member". So have to deal with coffee until I am "senior". : D
After the whole group. AG, OAH, Santa, Wadman, Bill Lee, Crazier and I. Was settled at Miraton we headed to Yalan. We split up to make the hunt a little bit easier for us and the mamas. I was not really in the mood to hunt a new girl, as the girl form my last two nights were still in my head, but finally settled in one of a shop next to the SilverStar KTV link. The left shop with Jenny as mama.
She came to my room, we chatted a bit and showered then. As I am more in GF type girls I try to find out if the girl is in this kind of "service" by DATY her. She was a bit scared but let it go and it seemed that she enjoyed it. Then it was time to "serve" me and she went with her head down for a blow job not forgetting to put the blanket over her head. "What the hell is going on now? , Do you want to give me a fake BJ? " where my thoughts. I put the blanket away but she put it over her head again and I started to become angry. After less then two minutes she stopped whatever she did under the blanket moved her head beside the bed and spit on the floor. "Stop, Stop. This is too much for me! " were my though and I asked her in an appropriate manner "Where do you think are? ".
During this a SMS from Wadman showed up on my phone, I took the "chance" to send a reply and also send a SMS to my girl from the last two nights asking if she is available, as I decided in this moment not to keep the girl on my bed for LT. After this I wanted to do the deed, my little friend was a little bit off strong shape after the SMS work, but strong enough for a condom. I pulled it on and wanted to enter her when she pulled the blanked over her head. I looked around 30 secs at this situation. My friend ready to enter, her face covered by the blanket. I put teh blanked away and asked what the problem is. She answered that I am angry, yes I am angry and decided to stop the action. Pulled the condom of and said sent her out.
Cleaned up the bathroom/room and called the mama of my regular girl to send her over. She arrived and the situation changed from strange to a normal. With my girl and the other guys we went for Dinner. Only AG showed up with a girl too.
After Dinner Crazier and I decided to go to the American Bar across of Miraton. We settled in the more silent area, the two girls played pool billiard together, we chatted with the bar manager from Philippines, a friend of Crazier showed up, live bands from Philippines were playing. It was from my POV a very nice time.
Around midnight we headed to our rooms. The third night with my girl was again a very good one.
[be]Day 6 (TU). Final check out; relaxing remaining time in CP[/be]
I canceled breakfast as I wanted to stay with my girl as long as possible. Before noon I checked out, stored my bag at the hotel and headed with the guys for foot massage at the massage link of HuiMei hotel (across the hotel, right hand of Virgin hotel sauna). After chatting and joking with the massage girls, Bill, Santa and I left Wadman and AG who decided to add another massage time.
Bill lead me to the catacombs of CP. Was an impressive tour, to see how the locals men are satisfying their sex urge. Some nice looking girls their, but the environment.
After this we all went to Yalan for shopping. As I was not staying overnight anymore I just wrote down the name of girls I would like to have the next time. Got a good selection and will try to meet them soon.
After the shopping tour we went back to Miraton and I had a short relaxing time at Miratons lobby. It's always great to sit next to the elevators for watching girls, getting their attention and phone numbers. Sometime it's like a continously line-up. Later, we. Except Crazier, who had another appointment. Headed for dinner. During Dinner Bill decided to have a look at JiaYi (Bill, TaoYuan in English: D). So we headed to JiaYi being confrontated that they will show us the girls only when we book a room with a minimum charge of CNY380 (when I remember right, please correct me guys). As many of us won't pay to see girls, we left and walked to Amazon. AG arranged that we can have a look at the flower street.
Arrived at Amazon, the flower street was small. Just something around 40 girls. After we showed up, some girls approached me and Santa. Bill and Santa took a bath within the girls, I stayed beside the scene with two girls hanging on my arms, but after a while they realized that we will not stay. So, after a while we left the flower street, Santa with a bunch of girls. Hehe. I had the impression that he would like to stay.
Short note about Amazon from my POV:
I like the environment more than other KTVs. JiaYi, after what I could see during my two short visits, is too "clean". Like many other KTVs. Of course when you reduce your demands for a KTV to girls, drinks and so on, then every KTV will do it. I need something more to cross the inner border to stay and select a girl at a KTV, something Amazon maybe can give me. But I never tried it. Will try it, with the right group, otherwise it does not make fun.
After this we headed back to Miraton. I picked-up my bag, they other guys were heading to a sauna link, I was waiting for my cab.
Summary:
One night became five nights. It was a great time with all the other guys. Thx for your support and accompany. Hope to meet you in CP or wherever again. As I live just 20min from CP away. The mamas will see me again very soon.
LW
PS: Please give feedback in case you would like to have such a long report split into many small ones. Thx
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[QUOTE=WaikikiBob]Hi Lenny, Your pin for the Miraton is actually on the Hui Hua. Miraton is on the corner. You have the entrance to the Catacombs precisely with the pathways extending to the East on your map. Thanks for posting the Google Earth Map. The next exercise should be a pin to JiaYi's Taoyuan Recreation City! Its up by the Versailles' Amazon. Keep up the good work.[/QUOTE]
Yes that is correct. That's the building with a dome on top of the roof.
AG
@ all
I just reviewd my report and I have to apologize. Apologize the amount of grammar mistakes/typos (too less coffee to think, hehehe).
I also realized that the report is not anymore in the format I put it and could see in the "Preview". Instead of bold letters we can see only the code for it with an added letter "e". The section "Summary/Recommendation..." should be underlined and it was in the preview. Furthermore all the smilies are not anymore there, all other format styles like "..." and so on also disappeared. Points/Period are there where there where non in the preview and so on.
Ok, I do not know why, I think I did not read something in the FAQ, Rules or wherever. Maybe somebody can give me a hint how to write in bold letters and so on or at least can give me a hint/link where I can find the information.
@ AG
Thanks for your nice words! The part about girls and coffee was written as a humor not as a serious one, but I think after we met you already caught the point.
LW
[QUOTE=WaikikiBob]Hi Lenny, Your pin for the Miraton is actually on the Hui Hua. Miraton is on the corner. You have the entrance to the Catacombs precisely with the pathways extending to the East on your map. Thanks for posting the Google Earth Map. The next exercise should be a pin to JiaYi's Taoyuan Recreation City! Its up by the Versailles' Amazon. Keep up the good work.[/QUOTE]Ok I think the corrections I made on the map are now accurate. Miraton is the one on the corner with the dome.
I would be happy to post more maps, but don't know the location of - JiaYi's Taoyuan Recreation City!
On the way back from CP to ZMT I told my driver to show me in HuangJiang where BBS are located. He brought me to two areas, but only one seems to be active, very active.
This active BBS area is located south of Windsor Hotel and I counted at least 15 shops, but the typical "red" lights could be seen in the alleys. Please see attached picture to find the way to this area.
Like in ZMT the shops are like "normal" shops and open to the street and so the girls are also suffering from cold weather outside. The girls in CP can be lucky to be in a closed room, even some rooms are everything else than comfortable.
I did not stop and checked the selections as I was just checking the area. And frequent BBS visitor will know that selections in shops can vary from day to day, during "rush hour" from hour to hour. Furthermore everybody has its own favor.
The area is located in a public area with a lot of small restaurants and "normal" shops, so be prepared that locals are starring at you when being in this area. As this area is a little bit away from the main streets I highly recommend to not go there alone, take somebody with you.
The best way in is the way following the dotted white line from the main streets.
Huangjiang is next to CP and ZMT. Many Japanese and Korean restaurants can be found there. I already visited the Japanese restaurant at Gold Joy Hotel (left side) and can recommend it.
CP - Changping
ZMT - ZhangMuTou
hth
LW
Thanks for the advice, everyone. Due to circumstances beyond my control, I've had to postpone my trip for a week, which gives me time to get the visa in the States.
Looking forward to meeting some of you soon.
RS
Thanks to all for the efforts and good work put into creating the CP/Catacombs maps and directions:
I wish to make three suggestions, if I may be allowed:
1. May I suggest putting in a pin for the McDonald's restaurant approximately two blocks from the catacombs entrance. It may help some punters to find their way around the area or fortify themselves for the outing.
2. I haven't seen any mention of, or credit given to Cronin, the great discoverer and master-monger of the Catacombs and S. China. Dalai Cronin has posted many wonderful references including first ever pictures of the Catacombs and opened up these hallowed lanes to the west. A careful searth (RTFM) of ISG is advised in order to appreciate the true context of these parts and work of Lao Cronin.
3. If Cronin's magical tales and the recent rash of postings still leave one yearning for more details, we're announcing today that I'm taking bookings and renting out Santa for linguistically correct, guided tours of the Catacombs. For a starting price of as little as 200rmb we will provide you with a mystical death-defying tour of the grounds. (one pop included)
We'll try to bring you back alive. Chocolate shake included (small)
Cap
[QUOTE=Happy Lenny]Ok I think the corrections I made on the map are now accurate. Miraton is the one on the corner with the dome.
I would be happy to post more maps, but don't know the location of - JiaYi's Taoyuan Recreation City![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Rising Son]Thanks for the advice, everyone. Due to circumstances beyond my control, I've had to postpone my trip for a week, which gives me time to get the visa in the States.
Looking forward to meeting some of you soon.
RS[/QUOTE]
hey rising son
Are you for real you been postpone your trip for over a year are you really going this time .
fast eddie 48
[QUOTE=Laowai123]On the way back from CP to ZMT I told my driver to show me in HuangJiang where BBS are located. He brought me to two areas, but only one seems to be active, very active.
This active BBS area is located south of Windsor Hotel and I counted at least 15 shops, but the typical "red" lights could be seen in the alleys. Please see attached picture to find the way to this area.
Like in ZMT the shops are like "normal" shops and open to the street and so the girls are also suffering from cold weather outside. The girls in CP can be lucky to be in a closed room, even some rooms are everything else than comfortable.
I did not stop and checked the selections as I was just checking the area. And frequent BBS visitor will know that selections in shops can vary from day to day, during "rush hour" from hour to hour. Furthermore everybody has its own favor.
The area is located in a public area with a lot of small restaurants and "normal" shops, so be prepared that locals are starring at you when being in this area. As this area is a little bit away from the main streets I highly recommend to not go there alone, take somebody with you.
The best way in is the way following the dotted white line from the main streets.
Huangjiang is next to CP and ZMT. Many Japanese and Korean restaurants can be found there. I already visited the Japanese restaurant at Gold Joy Hotel (left side) and can recommend it.
CP - Changping
ZMT - ZhangMuTou
hth
LW[/QUOTE]
to LW
All member becareful about this place it is run by the local chinese mob and the girl all have bad attitude and service many are from factory force into this by the mob , I first find this place 3 yr ago after a big crack down in 2004
never been back cost is cheaper 120 rmb at the shop and quality is not as good as yalan area in cp .
fast eddie 48
[QUOTE=Cappy]
3. If Cronin's magical tales and the recent rash of postings still leave one yearning for more details, we're announcing today that I'm taking bookings and renting out Santa for linguistically correct, guided tours of the Catacombs. For a starting price of as little as 200rmb we will provide you with a mystical death-defying tour of the grounds. (one pop included)
We'll try to bring you back alive. Chocolate shake included (small)
Cap[/QUOTE]
This got to be a Joke right? Or are you suggesting that someone should make some money on the posted information of Catacombs?
You should know better that what lots of member from the board hate is someone who makes money from the information posted on the board. So you better clarify before you get lots of faming post coming your way.
BTW: Cronin's posts are not Magical Tales. They are facts.
AG
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]to LW
All member becareful about this place it is run by the local chinese mob and the girl all have bad attitude and service many are from factory force into this by the mob , I first find this place 3 yr ago after a big crack down in 2004
never been back cost is cheaper 120 rmb at the shop and quality is not as good as yalan area in cp .
fast eddie 48[/QUOTE]
Eddie,
Guangdong is full of mobs. All the major hotels in CP are owned by Gangsters, Mafias etc. Shenzhen Sha Tsui KTVs are all closed by the police because the mobsters did not want to pay the police off anymore.
Yes, good that you mention and warn others about that but, I think we should not be over paranoid about it or else, it takes the fun out of mongering right?
Enjoy!
AG
Hi, Eddie --
Yeah, I'm for real. On New Year's Day, my appendix went bad. Had surgery about 1 AM on the 2nd and need an extra week to recover before the long flight. I'm going to Bangkok on the 22nd of this month and then to Phnom Pehn and then to Shenzhen-ChangPing on the 4th of March.
So maybe I'll see you in CP between the 4th and the 16th of March.
RS
Here are some photos. First is entrance to Catacombs and Hui Hua to the left and Meriton to the right of the second picture.
[QUOTE=Happy Lenny]Ok I think the corrections I made on the map are now accurate. Miraton is the one on the corner with the dome.
I would be happy to post more maps, but don't know the location of - JiaYi's Taoyuan Recreation City![/QUOTE]
It is not worth to zoom in on this map, it will become blury.
Actually, I've never been in DoungGaun, ChangPing, or Huang Jiang.
This map was compiled from data after I RTFF. Hope this helps those new to the area.
Happy
I went to CP a number of times but only tried BBS girls. I always have the impression the KTVs are for business people and very expensive. For the seasoned KTVs mongers, besides the 2,5,8 rates, do you have to pay for the room rate, and the drinks? If you do, how much are they typically, say in Hui Hua or JiaYi? Will appreciate your information. Thanks.
Eddy
[QUOTE=eddylane]I went to CP a number of times but only tried BBS girls. I always have the impression the KTVs are for business people and very expensive. For the seasoned KTVs mongers, besides the 2,5,8 rates, do you have to pay for the room rate, and the drinks? If you do, how much are they typically, say in Hui Hua or JiaYi? Will appreciate your information. Thanks.
Eddy[/QUOTE]Room charge depends on room size and starts somewhere around 300/400 upwards. Sorry, do not have actual figures of these two joints.
But there are additional charges. Please read these report for details:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=404789[/url]
Another report for general information:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=469186[/url]
LW
[QUOTE=eddylane]I went to CP a number of times but only tried BBS girls. I always have the impression the KTVs are for business people and very expensive. For the seasoned KTVs mongers, besides the 2,5,8 rates, do you have to pay for the room rate, and the drinks? If you do, how much are they typically, say in Hui Hua or JiaYi? Will appreciate your information. Thanks.
Eddy[/QUOTE]
For the KTVs, it is a business (with the investment in rent, deco, renovations and hardware) & they obviously have to generate sales volume on you or they would go bust right?
Businessmen obviously do entertain in KTVs but that would not preclude mongers having fun either. Compared to many cities in and outside China, CP's KTV expenses are CHEAP AND AFFORDABLE esp if you have a group to split costs with.
In Jiayi, they have the small room where the minimum spend (on food & drinks ) is 388 yuans. Also the mid -sized rooms at about 680 yuans. And so on. A bottle of Chivas is approximately 680 yuans so its not that expensive if you do drink. I am not sure what the prices of other drinks are as I hardly order other drinks myself.
(above prices approximates since I do not remember exactly what the prices are despite having been a few times)
Fruits and other food obviously give them good margins of profits.
If you brief the KJ to control your orders, it will be OK.
You need to tip the KJs 200 yuans or a little more for the evening's work.
Overall, if you have 3-4 guys to split the costs, its not a bank breaker provided you like hanging around in a room playing dice, drinking and listening to other people singing and indulging in some yourself.
LW123.,
Nice detailed FR with your inner thoughts expressed clearly. I really enjoyed mongering with you those days that we were there in CP and look forward to more in the future if we have an opportunity.
From my perspective, it was very nice to run into our “International Crew” of ISGs at the Yalan and get together thereafter. Happy New year again to all!
I was also very impressed that your Chinese vocabulary was way better than mine & your huge willingness to speak with locals made for an enjoyable time out.
Also appreciate that you went & took the trouble to check out HJ so soon on your way back from CP to ZMT & posted a good map for us to follow in your tracks.
Here are my thoughts having spent some time together with you & now reading the FR. (no negativity intended here).
Both of us seem to make a beeline for the “newbie” (young girls without make up etc). Those kinds of girls we end up picking do not usually correlate well with the skills & adventurous sexual stuff that you consider as part & parcel of their job.
Quite often, their early initiation into sex in their village with their boyfriends are more “wham bang thank you mamm” from what I know.
1) The mamasan & the girl (as pushed by the mamasan) will always tell you that they will be willing to do everything before you take them out & hope to get away with less.
2) Remembering that this is firstly a HKers playground, their needs are perhaps more simple & less demanding than some of the more experienced & adventurous INTERNATIONAL PLAYERS who are now visiting CP. Most of the Asians incl HKers and people from Singapore that I know prefer GFE & good sex but less of the stuff you see on pornos such as heavy BBBJs & cunninglingess
“Breaking in a newbie girl into the “Joys of Sex” is often a tedious affair & unless its done right, she may never truly enjoy all that you want to enjoy mutually with her!
If what you want is the full range of “Sex on a Menu” perhaps, you want to change your picks to the older & more experienced girls. (But visually, they are less desirable for you too I know).
Otherwise, you may want to modify your expectations & bear with the less experienced girls & learn to break them in “one trick at a time”? Where you are lucky to meet someone who takes to sex naturally, its just your good luck I believe.
As for crying & sad stories, there are enough of them around with each & every girl. I do not encourage anyone from getting mentally involved in their trials & tribulations or there would be no end. You were indeed generous and more than fair to give her the full LT fee despite the lack of personal satisfaction!
The girl who “ran out on you” because you were “BIG” was total bullshit alright.
What you did was right in demanding the money back from the Mamasan except that I would have myself been just as firm without speaking as loudly or threatening to call the Cong An.
Mamasan knows for sure her girl was wrong & will give you the money once she realizes that you will not settle for less.
As OAH explained, her commission of 100yuans would have been shared numerous ways & when she had to refund to you, it was a loss for her too! All she had to understand was that your frustration & loss was bigger than hers in terms of time, & other expenses. The fact that she was unable to offer a girl that was reliable & not a runner is HER FAULT not yours!
There was no need to threaten her. That is why I felt there was a need to change your room back in your hotel just to be safe in case she wanted to take revenge for the humiliation in public.
Good that you posted her name card & telephone number here. We can delete her from our list of Mamis to patronize & that is the best punishment!
Your replacement girl (from another mami) turned out to be a gem of a GFE for you & willing to do most of the things you want. In that respect, your luck finally turned in your favour & you actually kept her 3 nights in a row. Not unusual considering that you had “bad” girls before and after her.
The other new girl from Jenny’s house in Yalan who was hiding under the blanket & spitting on the floor turned out to be BAD again for you & you kicked her out quite rightly.
“Fake Blow Job”
Hahah, if a girl can fake it so good, I would want to experience it. I think you were a mite too impatient. I would have let her carry on & took it from there!
As for spitting on the floor of your room, it would not be the first time I have experienced such raw uncouth acts in China. My ex GF in Zhuhai was spitting on the floor of a fine restaurant where we were & I was truly shamed & taken aback. I had to explain to her how unbecoming it was. Ultimately, she LOST ME after that incident! But, I still stayed the course of dinner & enjoyed it too plus the sex after for all of two trips before I dumped her!
These girls are truly from the village & uneducated in the ways of us modern folks. No need to shout at them. Rather to explain to them that if they want to spit, they should do it in the toilet bowl or into a properly line trash-can & why! And, ask her to clean up the spitting in a nice way! At least, it helps me understand why my HK friend insists on wearing slippers in the hotel’s room instead of walking around barefoot like me!
Anyway, the series of your bad experiences with her did not help obviously.
As for her pulling a blanket over her head when you wanted to fuck, that’s an interesting reaction. Considering that it’s the second time she was doing it (first the blow job & then the fuck job) perhaps, she truly cannot bear to be looked at by a man while getting fucked or giving a BJ!
You are so handsome, I wonder why she wanted to cover her face when you were going to poke her! Sadly, you did not find out if she was a good fuck !
Patience my friend, patience.
My comments here is to give you my inputs & thoughts so that you can enjoy the women of China in CP, ZMT or anywhere better!
It was very nice for us to have met up finally & mongered together there with some of the ISGers! None of us get all the right girls each and every time!
If we have 3 very good girls for every 10 we pull, its 10% better than the average of 2 out of every 10! Remember the 20-80 rule?
Meantime, Happy Mongering and a Great NY 07 to all here!
Crazier,
Many thanks for your feedback! For me there is no "negative" feedback, just feedback how other people see me and so the chance to correct negative things.
[QUOTE=Crazier]LW123.
Both of us seem to make a beeline for the “newbie” (young girls without make up etc). Those kinds of girls we end up picking do not usually correlate well with the skills & adventurous sexual stuff that you consider as part & parcel of their job.
Quite often, their early initiation into sex in their village with their boyfriends are more “wham bang thank you mamm” from what I know. [/QUOTE]I know that from such a "natural" looking girl, who in most time is a newbie on scene, I can not get the whole sex menu and I can live with it as I am more into GFE. E.g., three weeks ago I ran into a girl in one of the BBS here in ZMT; the night, the action was like "monkey sex" and I was really exhausted the next days. But, I don't want this again, at least now. I was missing something during this night, something what my "regular" in CP gave me three nights.
Concerning "wham bang thank you mamm", you maybe remember that when I talk with the girls I mostly ask them if the want/like the chinese version of sex - "ah-ah-ah-ah-mei dan" - or the western (my) version - "aaaaaaaahh-aaaaaaaahh", the "feeling" experience. Of course the girls were laughing about this, saying that they like the western version, but I know that mostly all of them, even not all, are not looking for western/feeling sex, it's an awful biz and the goal is "get out as much as possible within short time!".
[QUOTE=Crazier]1) The mamasan & the girl (as pushed by the mamasan) will always tell you that they will be willing to do everything before you take them out & hope to get away with less.[/QUOTE]That's a kind of "marketing" and who would not do it. As a foreigner I have their excuse for less or bad service hanging/standing with me.C'est la vie.
[QUOTE=Crazier]Otherwise, you may want to modify your expectations & bear with the less experienced girls & learn to break them in “one trick at a time”? Where you are lucky to meet someone who takes to sex naturally, its just your good luck I believe.[/QUOTE]That's part of this "game", that's the reason why I take my time to get to know the girls as much as possible within short time in the shop. With good and bad experiences you get your "nose" to start talking with the right one, but in this biz there is always space and time for surprises - good and bad ones.
I wrote down three girl on my last day and "it comes, as it comes" the next time in CP (pre-condition these girls are still there or not on one week off).
[QUOTE=Crazier]As for crying & sad stories, there are enough of them around with each & every girl. I do not encourage anyone from getting mentally involved in their trials & tribulations or there would be no end. You were indeed generous and more than fair to give her the full LT fee despite the lack of personal satisfaction![/QUOTE]At least this night has for me a good end now, because she called me today, we are talking with each other - nothing better can happen after such sitaution.
[QUOTE=Crazier]The girl who “ran out on you” because you were “BIG” was total bullshit alright.
What you did was right in demanding the money back from the Mamasan except that I would have myself been just as firm without speaking as loudly or threatening to call the Cong An.
Mamasan knows for sure her girl was wrong & will give you the money once she realizes that you will not settle for less.
As OAH explained, her commission of 100yuans would have been shared numerous ways & when she had to refund to you, it was a loss for her too! All she had to understand was that your frustration & loss was bigger than hers in terms of time, & other expenses. The fact that she was unable to offer a girl that was reliable & not a runner is HER FAULT not yours!
There was no need to threaten her. That is why I felt there was a need to change your room back in your hotel just to be safe in case she wanted to take revenge for the humiliation in public.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this feedback of the situation from your POV. I also was thinking a short moment, that my reaction was not a proper one. But after my experiences here in China with things like "losing your face" and the fact that this cost me a lot of money in NE China, I am now seeing such situations from my POV of a foreigner.
In case I humiliated her in public, I only can ask "Why was she forcing it? Why was she not given back the money after I demanded it and refused another girl?". I don't know if you ever watched such money or problem related situation between chinese people, what you could see was harmless. It was harmless, because I know that I am a guest in this country and so have to settle this problem with "words" only. This doesn't mean that I would have done it in another way. I am far away from this and leaving the scene before it comes to such situation.
Furthermore, I am not part of their background biz. I don't know and can't take care what is going on behind the scene. They have to settle this problem themselves with the girl, who was the trigger for this situation.
We are good regular "customers" when the service is satisfying us, the girls service and/or mamas service. They have to learn this. Remember the situation in one of the other shops in this alley on my last day when you, Bill and I went for a shopping tour there. When doing biz, for many, many chinese people there is only "win-lose", never "win-win". In the past I was on the "lose" side, lost my part, and don't want to be there anymore (I can not avoid it totally).
Anyway, many thanks that you accompanied me. Alone, I think I would have given up after a short while, because as foreigner and being alone you don't have a good position in such situation and location.
But what I can tell you is, that in case I will have such situation again, I will try to settle it without being on DEFCON 2 myself. Never say never again, maybe the next time when I have such situation, mama knows what is going on.
[QUOTE=Crazier]The other new girl from Jenny’s house in Yalan who was hiding under the blanket & spitting on the floor turned out to be BAD again for you & you kicked her out quite rightly.
“Fake Blow Job”
Hahah, if a girl can fake it so good, I would want to experience it. I think you were a mite too impatient. I would have let her carry on & took it from there!
As for spitting on the floor of your room, it would not be the first time I have experienced such raw uncouth acts in China. My ex GF in Zhuhai was spitting on the floor of a fine restaurant where we were & I was truly shamed & taken aback. I had to explain to her how unbecoming it was. Ultimately, she LOST ME after that incident! But, I still stayed the course of dinner & enjoyed it too plus the sex after for all of two trips before I dumped her!
These girls are truly from the village & uneducated in the ways of us modern folks. No need to shout at them. Rather to explain to them that if they want to spit, they should do it in the toilet bowl or into a properly line trash-can & why! And, ask her to clean up the spitting in a nice way! At least, it helps me understand why my HK friend insists on wearing slippers in the hotel’s room instead of walking around barefoot like me!
Anyway, the series of your bad experiences with her did not help obviously.
As for her pulling a blanket over her head when you wanted to fuck, that’s an interesting reaction. Considering that it’s the second time she was doing it (first the blow job & then the fuck job) perhaps, she truly cannot bear to be looked at by a man while getting fucked or giving a BJ![/QUOTE]Impatient or not impatient. Concerning the behavior of spitting on the floor, explaining why we don't want this does not really help is at least my experience. In this specific case I was also not in a good mood after the "can you imagine what i am doing under the blanket with you friend"-show. So, I decided it was time for a "boot camp" experience for her. If this was good or not, I really don't know, at least I did not kick her out with empty hands.
I have to admit that my "behavior" in a paid sex situation here in China is shaped from bad experiences during the first time here in China (NE CN), when I did not speak Chinese and not knowing the local rules.
One of this experience is, that when the girl sees/feels that you don't know what is going on, what are the local rules and have a "heart" you are lost. I still have a "heart" but I think to know what is going on.
So I was more than surprised and happy to meet this wonderful girl on Saturday evening after the trouble with this Mama and I gave it back to her in the way she accompanied me three evenings/nights.
[QUOTE=Crazier]My comments here is to give you my inputs & thoughts so that you can enjoy the women of China in CP, ZMT or anywhere better![/QUOTE]As I already wrote above, I really appreciate your feedback and hope to meet you again, whenever and wherever.
Wish you nice stays in Thailand, KL and wherever you will be before you come back to CN.
Thanks also to OAH (unfortunately only for short times), AG, Bill, Santa and Wadman for accompany, showing me new places (HuiMei Massage will be visited again, don't worry AG I don't have the number of your "PM" in mind), having fun together.
LW
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]New 5 star hotel just open in Dalang town in Dongguan 30 min drive from CP 468 room starting at 600 rmb a night , friend of my was there yesterday he told me the foriegn businessman club a large buliding next to the hotel with ktv and sauna inside girl is hot many model price start at 1000 rmb for LT.
Try to tell book a room there for next month for a few night , if any one have
been there let me know about the service in their sauna .
fast eddie 48[/QUOTE]
Here is the info on the new 5 star place in Dongguan my friend in Hong kong is there last night new ktv have some very hot model very expensive over 200 girl .
[url]http://www.sinohotel.com/hotel/hotel.html;jsessionid=43548669205E3621C121BF84379F3C3A?hid=3255[/url]
fast eddie 48
Even after living in China over 10 years, I feel that the locals still think we are leaving tomorrow, no matter how long we stay or how well we speak the language. I believe that this thinking is what drives their short term business attitude towards us. When I compare notes with my Asian monger counterparts, it seems that they get better service more often, are quoted standard prices and not hassled for extra money by the girls as much.
I'm told by providers that all foreigners have huge cocks, can last for hours and are rich. This is why we should pay more money. On the other hand, I'm told that local punters never last more than 5 minutes. Whateve the real case may be, foreign mongers are discriminated against because of this. How many times have I heard, "You are a laowai, of course, you should pay more!"?
I just take all of this in stride and only do business with those providers that treat me fairly. I insist on the same level of service for the same money. If they do not agree or try to rip me off, I just walk. I only pay an extra tip for extraordinary service after the fact and almost never cave to requests for extra money otherwise. I must admit that I do lose some opportunities to do some very hot girls sometimes, but I am happier overall.
Just my POV.
OAH
LW.,
As you posted,
"At least this night has for me a good end now, because she called me today, we are talking with each other - nothing better can happen after such sitaution. "
See, it does pay to be kind sometimes!
The way you are extensively interviewing (and booking them), the next time I go back to CP or HJ etc, I need not make a tour of the BBSs.
All I need is your little black book of notes and working down your list! Saves me time and all the girls properly QCd for all the skills of good sex!
I've been a good boy since returning to bangkok. Only one girl, a regular who likes to watch porn video in my room, esp videos that she has done with me of herself! Last two nights, I have been GOOD!
Cheers and have a good weekend!
C.
Attached you will find a zipped ".kmz" file for Google Earth. D/l it and open it in Google Earth. Then you will find all important and known places (from my side) in CP.
Most of the spots I know from a visit, some came out of mind, so please feel free to correct me. Please send corrections and/or information about other spots via PM! When sending me information about a missing or new spot, please send the coordinates and some additional info when available, thx.
Actually I need information about the location of Swan Lake Hotel as I am not sure if it was this hotel which offers a girl from there KTV and a room for three hours for CNY250 total (if I am not wrong) mentioned by OAH, AG and Wadman during the last CP trip.
Please feel free to find mistakes and send corrections via PM. I will keep this file up-dated and you can the latest one when searching for "CP-Locations-ISG-Google" in this sub-forum.
I hope this file will support some of you during your time in CP.
CP-Location-ISG-Google v1, 20070107
LW
[QUOTE=Crazier]For the KTVs, it is a business (with the investment in rent, deco, renovations and hardware) & they obviously have to generate sales volume on you or they would go bust right?
Businessmen obviously do entertain in KTVs but that would not preclude mongers having fun either. Compared to many cities in and outside China, CP's KTV expenses are CHEAP AND AFFORDABLE esp if you have a group to split costs with.
In Jiayi, they have the small room where the minimum spend (on food & drinks ) is 388 yuans. Also the mid -sized rooms at about 680 yuans. And so on. A bottle of Chivas is approximately 680 yuans so its not that expensive if you do drink. I am not sure what the prices of other drinks are as I hardly order other drinks myself.
(above prices approximates since I do not remember exactly what the prices are despite having been a few times)
Fruits and other food obviously give them good margins of profits.
If you brief the KJ to control your orders, it will be OK.
You need to tip the KJs 200 yuans or a little more for the evening's work.
Overall, if you have 3-4 guys to split the costs, its not a bank breaker provided you like hanging around in a room playing dice, drinking and listening to other people singing and indulging in some yourself.[/QUOTE]
Thanks, Crazier and Laowei123. Your information is most helpful. May be we can have fun together. I plan to be in CP in the first weekend of February. PM me if interested.
Eddy
[QUOTE=Crazier]
As OAH explained, her commission of 100yuans would have been shared numerous ways & when she had to refund to you, it was a loss for her too!
[/QUOTE]
After scrolling through many posts here and using the search feature on OAH posts, I was unable to find this post you mention.
I have been wondering for a while what the 100RMB actually does pay for and how much goes to the mamasan. One of the touts on the street told me she gets 10RMB for each girl that is paid for by a monger. So that leaves 90RMB. Does anyone know if the girl gets any of this money or only the money you give her after the act?
As the girls in the Yalan Hotel area expect 100RMB after a ST, do many of you see the girl after hours on other days? (eg. before she starts work). I have done this a couple of times and because it was very close to the girl's starting time (i remember two separate girls said 2pm and 3pm start work) I still gave them 200RMB. They both looked very pleased to get the 200 and I certainly didnt want to short change them if they still had to pay the mama 100RMB.
The reason for my post is this: if you get a girl to visit after hours (and they seem to be eager to do this with the number of SMS and calls I receive when I am in CP) will she keep all of the money for herself and therefore should you try to pay less? If every monger pays 200RMB then they will always expect it and not be willing to settle for less. Its not that easy to rationalise with a CP working girl, especially if you have a limited chinese vocabulary. Is it unreasonable to think that 150RMB is good for both the girl and the monger if she keeps all the money for herself? Has anyone paid even less than this?
Im not trying to be a cheap charlie, but if a girl visits you at 11am or 2am then we shouldnt feel oblidged to include the mamasan's commission with the girl's payment. I have paid less in other countries and the girls have always been happy with their quick money making score.
[QUOTE=Azn Playa]After scrolling through many posts here and using the search feature on OAH posts, I was unable to find this post you mention.
[/QUOTE]
Its not a post and so you won't find it!
OAH was talking to LW123 as we left the Lobby of the Miraton Hotel to go to Yalan and that's when he said it as far as I remember.
On the 100 yuans prepayment that we often find ourselves making at the BBS, this is split in quite a few ways between "street runners" (the person who accosts you & bring you there), the Mami who serves you, sometimes the Mami who the girl is with (kind of contractual "owner") & sometimes the "owner" of the premises etc etc. As far as I know, none goes to the girl.
So, if she sees you outside hours and is apparently "off duty" more often than not, if you take a girl, she will not split that with her "Mami" if she is wise in the ways of the place.
Hell, there are cases where the girl "boards" (stay) with the Mami & the old lady keeps count of the movement of the girl. etc etc So, whether she will report her side income will depend on all these kind of factors!
On the occasion when I have called in a BBS or Karaoke girl directly "after duty" (say after 11pm) I do make a "Mami deduction" & pay the girl net and, when I call her in during hours of duty (say before 6 pm) & she comes, I give her the full amount.
In my opinion, even if she is not splitting it with the old lady, she deserves the money since she is giving me good total service (provided she does).
Azn Playa,
There is no post. Crazier was referring to a conversation we had in CP.
IMHO, LW123's case was cut and dry. The girl wanted to bolt to be with another regular customer. The mama should have immediately returned his money and sorted out her problems later. The rest was bullshit scamming on her part, however, I don't blame her for trying to give him another girl to keep the 100. That is just business. It is true that she may lose money on the deal, but that is her problem. She is responsible for the actions of the girl regardless.
Let me try to explain how it works according to my understanding. You are approached by the mamas on the street. They take you to a house full of girls. Some of the girls belong to them, some to other mamas and some are just house girls. You will notice that the mama will try to sell her girls first. Even then, she needs to share her cut with the house owner. If you take a house girl, she only gets a commission. If you take another mama's girl she splits with the mama and pays the house. Sometimes she does not have her own girls in which case she only earns a commission from whomever's girl is involved. This is the basic principle, but the deal can vary from mama to mama, house to house. The girl gets none of the 100 you give the mama.
You may remember 42D to whom all my fellow mongering mates refer to. I used to take her after the shop closed or ask her to come back in the morning sometimes. She never gave any money to the mama under these circumstances. If I did her at night and asked her to come back in the morning I would just give her an extra 100. If I took her after hours, I would give her 150 ST/400 LT. I've done other girls this way and usually split the difference and give them an extra 50 if they are not going to give the mama any, but you can probably insist on just 100. BTW, 42D has now graduated to the ranks of mama.
OAH
[QUOTE=Azn Playa]After scrolling through many posts here and using the search feature on OAH posts, I was unable to find this post you mention.
I have been wondering for a while what the 100RMB actually does pay for and how much goes to the mamasan. One of the touts on the street told me she gets 10RMB for each girl that is paid for by a monger. So that leaves 90RMB. Does anyone know if the girl gets any of this money or only the money you give her after the act?
As the girls in the Yalan Hotel area expect 100RMB after a ST, do many of you see the girl after hours on other days? (eg. before she starts work). I have done this a couple of times and because it was very close to the girl's starting time (i remember two separate girls said 2pm and 3pm start work) I still gave them 200RMB. They both looked very pleased to get the 200 and I certainly didnt want to short change them if they still had to pay the mama 100RMB.
The reason for my post is this: if you get a girl to visit after hours (and they seem to be eager to do this with the number of SMS and calls I receive when I am in CP) will she keep all of the money for herself and therefore should you try to pay less? If every monger pays 200RMB then they will always expect it and not be willing to settle for less. Its not that easy to rationalise with a CP working girl, especially if you have a limited chinese vocabulary. Is it unreasonable to think that 150RMB is good for both the girl and the monger if she keeps all the money for herself? Has anyone paid even less than this?
Im not trying to be a cheap charlie, but if a girl visits you at 11am or 2am then we shouldnt feel oblidged to include the mamasan's commission with the girl's payment. I have paid less in other countries and the girls have always been happy with their quick money making score.[/QUOTE]
Great, thats 30 minutes of my life I wont get back!!
I tried finding the 'post' (which didnt exist), because I didnt want to get slammed for not reading the forum!
Anyway, thanks for the replies.
Im certainly going to pay less if I get the girl after hours in the future. After midnight is usually little value to me though due to tiredness and the fact that the girl has probably had 2-4 customers already (and having 2-3 STs myself).
The next morning for 100 sounds good. The problem is getting the girl to wake up in time and get her ass over to your room.
Hopefully enough guys new to CP will read this and realise what they only need to pay, in order to keep price gouging down and allowing us all to get good returns for our money. If each round with a Yalan girl is worth 100 to her, then she needs to give me some damn good service to earn 400LT - and I doubt it would happen. Im losing interest in the prospect of GFE and the lack of sleep from her lying on me all night.
[QUOTE=Azn Playa][...] If each round with a Yalan girl is worth 100 to her, then she needs to give me some damn good service to earn 400LT - and I doubt it would happen. [...].[/QUOTE]I really hope you do not think that from a 500 LT rate goes 400 net to the girl. No, no, it will be less, as the share for Mama will be higher, at least 150.
The kind of your satisfaction depends on your expectations, demands and time you invest to find a girl from who you can get what you want. Just going into a shop, pointing on a girl, taking her out will definitely not bring it when you want more than being the only active part of a short time action.
Concerning the payment: From my POV it's only important to know what the minimum rates are in the area you will be active. I pay more when the service satisfied me more than expected and I pay less when it was less than discussed.
LW
[QUOTE=Laowai123]I really hope you do not think that from a 500 LT rate goes 400 net to the girl. No, no, it will be less, as the share for Mama will be higher, at least 150.
The kind of your satisfaction depends on your expectations, demands and time you invest to find a girl from who you can get what you want. Just going into a shop, pointing on a girl, taking her out will definitely not bring it when you want more than being the only active part of a short time action.
Concerning the payment: From my POV it's only important to know what the minimum rates are in the area you will be active. I pay more when the service satisfied me more than expected and I pay less when it was less than discussed.
[/QUOTE]
OAH said he pays 400LT to the girl after hours.
The subject of the last few posts are about cutting out the mamasan.
This is what I based the '400' on.
I had 3 (separate) girls very recently and didnt even point to a girl. I just told the mama what I liked, she picked them for me and I got everything I wanted back in my room. Two of them returned which prompted my initial post. But I only kept them for ST. Anyway what im expecting for LT is multiple sessions to equate value for money. If I only get 1 round at night and 1 in the morning then its not good value (and see how far you get when you try to pay less to the girl because of this reason).
Obviously the minimum amount is the only important information as Im sure there are newbies out there that pay 2-3 times what they should. The problem with this is if it happens too often then the mamas/girls start revising their 'minimum charge' for all foreigners. Ive seen this happen in other countries and you have to fight it tooth and nail even if you are a regular.
Another thing, in my experience big tipping doesnt guarantee better service. If you take the same girl often then if anything it should be cheaper (if you can get her after hours). And she could want to keep you to herself in the future and not tell the other girls how generous you were (or even give a negative report about you!) As we all know, these are not the most mentally balanced girls you will come across.
[QUOTE=Azn Playa]
Anyway what im expecting for LT is multiple sessions to equate value for money. If I only get 1 round at night and 1 in the morning then its not good value (and see how far you get when you try to pay less to the girl because of this reason).
[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately, in the books of many girls, a round at night and 1 in the morning is what they often offer (Just a job).
There are a few who see it differently and, truly enjoy sex & cannot have enough.
Its the luck of the draw.
All I can say is that if you bring such a calculative attitude to the "game" and see it that way, my advice is to better stay totally with short time and play your cat and mouse game with the Mamasans.
What do you end up with?
Multiple fucks with tired girls who have already been with a couple of ST customers for the day.
In an earlier post, I even read that you have the idea of calling in the girl for an early morning ST round!
If this is your idea of quality service for money & your time, good luck!
Perhaps, you want to stalk the elevators of the popular monger hotels in Chang Ping and intercept them as they are leaving in the morning!
It's been done before (on my part, rather incidentally rather than intentionally).
I actally like to have a girl come back in the morning (around 11AM) rather than keeping them over night since I am a light sleeper and can't sleep with someone else in the room. I however give the girl 150 instead of 100. I have found that for the extra 50, they are more likely willing to get up in the morning :-)
The good part about having the girl come in the morning is that you have already tested her out the night before plus she is more comfortable with you now since she had been with you the night before. Since I speak Chinese, I alway have the girl call me when they are on their way. I hate to be sitting in my room waiting for a girl when she is still sleeping.
The girls are free to go to the shop or not however if she misses too many nights then the mamason will yell at them. They are not tied to any shop, this is why you would sometimes see the same girl in different shop. But once they show up for work then they can not leave early without giving the mamason her commission since they believe that she is leaving to see a regular customer.
I agree totally with u that if all u want is another pop in the morn, a pre-arranged late morn visit is a good strategy.
Obviously, this go & return works well for u & her.
You sleep better, save some money & she is free to do what she wants.
Whether its sleep, partying with friends, taking on another customer ST/LT or fucking her loverboy. Yes, many of them have loverboys awaiting.
My last ST from behind the Huei Mei BBS girl told me all about her BF sending her to work there for money & she happily does it for love! If she is to be believed, many of the younger girls are in similar situations!
At least for the exclusivity of the night and morn, I prefer to pay a bit more and keep the girl is she suits me. Otherwise, I turn her lose and find another one if ai still have a need. To each his own of course.
[QUOTE=Crazier]Unfortunately, in the books of many girls, a round at night and 1 in the morning is what they often offer (Just a job).
There are a few who see it differently and, truly enjoy sex & cannot have enough.
Its the luck of the draw.
All I can say is that if you bring such a calculative attitude to the "game" and see it that way, my advice is to better stay totally with short time and play your cat and mouse game with the Mamasans.
What do you end up with?
Multiple fucks with tired girls who have already been with a couple of ST customers for the day.
In an earlier post, I even read that you have the idea of calling in the girl for an early morning ST round!
If this is your idea of quality service for money & your time, good luck!
Perhaps, you want to stalk the elevators of the popular monger hotels in Chang Ping and intercept them as they are leaving in the morning!
It's been done before (on my part, rather incidentally rather than intentionally).[/QUOTE]
If you read through several posts then you would see that I'm not the only one who likes a girl to return the next morning and I know several others that use this method. If you are paying 500LT for 2 rounds and most of that time the girl is either sleeping or thinking of ways to get home quickly then there is no value to me if she is only 150-200ST. If you're trying to establish a girl as a regular than LT is more important - but this can become even more expensive as they start expecting gifts etc. Also, these 'regular' girls will drop you in a second if another guy is more generous than you.
The quality of a ST with a girl can be affected by your manner and appearance which some girls are attracted to. Ive had some great girls recently who have left me very satisfied. None of them appeared tired or were in a rush to get back to their room. My idea of value for money is based on what I get in other countries and until more of these girls have more experience with western guys then its likely that the service offered can be similar to what many Chinese mongers are happy with. Thats also why I have been avoiding LTs. Im not interested in wining/dining/partying with these girls - as you said its just a job for them. Im only trying to help maintain a balance to counter the 'mongers' out there who overpay and have low expectations of these girls. Im not citing anyone on ISG as falling into this category but these guys are everywhere because I hear girls talk about these 'generous' guys more often. And it doesnt make my life any easier when I try to convince a girl that this is not the norm (especially with my very limited chinese language skills).
[QUOTE=Azn Playa] My idea of value for money is based on what I get in other countries and until more of these girls have more experience with western guys then its likely that the service offered can be similar to what many Chinese mongers are happy with. Thats also why I have been avoiding LTs. Im not interested in wining/dining/partying with these girls - as you said its just a job for them. Im only trying to help maintain a balance to counter the 'mongers' out there who overpay and have low expectations of these girls. Im not citing anyone on ISG as falling into this category but these guys are everywhere because I hear girls talk about these 'generous' guys more often. And it doesnt make my life any easier when I try to convince a girl that this is not the norm (especially with my very limited chinese language skills).[/QUOTE]
Not arguing but, in discussion mode,
When in CP, look around you and you will see that the Chinese mongers (from many parts) are the majority in the place. So long as that is true, the kind of service the girls will provide will be what the majority demands.
Even amongst the Chinese mongers, you will see that the HKers, the Taiwanese, the Singaporeans and Malaysians may all have different expectations.
As I see it, the Chinese mongers (like all mongers) do like sex and lots of it, but not necessarily in the same style as the Western monger desires.
They also like lots of GFEs and being served well by the women beyond sex.
That does not mean that they have "low expectations" of the girls. Just different expectations and perhaps, not, your expectations.
If you sit in the Lobby of some hotels like the Hui Hua or Miraton, on late Sunday mornings just as they are checking out, you will see many of them there bidding goodbyes and hanging on. Sometimes, it looks stupid but for many of them, there is a fine line between p4p and a Longer Term relationship with a WL.
Trying to convince the girls that your method and "generosity" is the norm admidst all these "generous" regular visitors (who make up the majority) may be an uphill task not that you should not try.
Like you say, these guys are everywhere and will continue to be everywhere simply because of the attraction of the kind of girls available and, the proximity from their homelands.
You will continue to be the minority. In fact as China grows and prospers, I predict that the Cheap Chinese p4p scene will vanish just as the dinosaur has.
That is why I am there to get as much of it while it lasts.
Sure, you may vanish off to PP or AC where your dollar buys you more. But, if you want the Chinese girls, you'll have to pay what the market is willing to pay.
Don't forget the basic make up of a Chinese person is that he or she is motivated by money. I've been told that for the girls, its not a huge shame to be a prostitute. But, its major shame to be penniless.
As an end note, I have been told that in venues like Beijing and Shanghai where the numbers of foreigners are more plentiful, quite a few "enlightened" local girls do prowl to snare & marry a "wealthy western foreigner". Under those circumstances, quite a few "desireable foreign men" do end up with "freebies" if there is ever such a thing. The long term payoffs far exceed the short term money they would otherwise earn.
[QUOTE=Crazier]
A) When in CP, look around you and you will see that the Chinese mongers (from many parts) are the majority in the place. So long as that is true, the kind of service the girls will provide will be what the majority demands.
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B) They also like lots of GFEs and being served well by the women beyond sex. That does not mean that they have "low expectations" of the girls. Just different expectations and perhaps, not, your expectations.
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C) Trying to convince the girls that your method and "generosity" is the norm admidst all these "generous" regular visitors (who make up the majority) may be an uphill task not that you should not try.
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D) Sure, you may vanish off to PP or AC where your dollar buys you more. But, if you want the Chinese girls, you'll have to pay what the market is willing to pay.
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A) The last time I spent 2 nights in CP I didnt see a western face.
So you're not telling me anything new.
If the foreign population of Guangdong mongers collectively work towards similar goals (pushing for better value for money) then over time it should improve. The girls that do everything we want may not be in the majority but we can at least help increase the number of girls out there that do.
B) You use the word "they" to refer to chinese mongers. Many chinese mongers, especially those that focus on CP BBS and Yalan girls know what the girls are worth and that is what they pay. I was refering to guys from anywhere (esp. foreigners) that drastically overpay as they are either naive or ill-informed or don't care about what the rates are. That is why I wrote 'mongers' as they can only be loosely described as that. You need to spend some time reading some other posts eg. where OAH recently mentioned having 200RMB thrown at him because he didn't pay 300+ for a ST. Where do you think the girls learn that a foreigner would be dumb enough to pay 300, 400 or even 800RMB for ST? Its because they do. As this is the International SEX Guide, I read the posts and contribute to the forums because of my interest in sex. Therefore the 'expectations' I referred to were naturally those related to sex. Nothing more. Perhaps I should have been more clear when I wrote that and will try not to make a similar mistake again.
C) I dont have a method and I'm not generous. I pay what it costs. Regular (chinese) visitors that I have spoken to on my trips there are not generous either. They pay the going rate. If anything they will pay less than a foreigner if its possible (and often is the case in some BBS which try to rip us off).
D) "What the market is willing to pay" varies greatly as there are the guys that know what the price is and others who have no clue. I know what it costs and I know what to expect as I have received similar levels of service countless times in China to base this on. Therefore Im not going to alter my spending habits or expectations. Yes I can be flexible but only within a relatively small range.
There are many places in Asia other than PP and AC which are better value than the ST rates of CP and ZH. The thing that I can't stand is guys that come to GD for a quick business trip and pay 2-3 times the going rate, drive prices up and service down and ultimately ruin it for those of us that live here. By posting on here I'm hoping that newbies will try to tow the line and not buckle under the pressure placed on them by money hungry hookers who demand more and deliver little. If you read through the posts in the China forum there are countless examples of guys paying exhorbitant prices and not getting what they wanted. And no, their expectations are not too high, they just want to have a fuck and pay for it.
Luckily there are still several places in GD where a ST will cost less than 100RMB so there is still hope for those of us that are searching for the elusive cheap fuck. I can get freebies too - I just can't stand the crap you have to go through before and after which makes the 'freebie' little value to me. Even if its free at the time, its going to cost you eventually.
[QUOTE=Azn Playa][...] The thing that I can't stand is guys that come to GD for a quick business trip and pay 2-3 times the going rate, drive prices up and service down and ultimately ruin it for those of us that live here. [...][/QUOTE]- Biz men normally do not have time to read a forum like ISG.
- Biz men normally come during fair times or on invitation to China.
- During fairs everything is more expensive, including girls - you can see this in GZ and surrounding areas.
- Biz men normally do not have time to walk around to find a place where they get it "cheaper" or let's say to the local price.
- Many Biz men only come to China one-time and so are willing to pay more to have a "real" chinese girl for maybe only one time in their life.
- P4P service in CN is for many Biz men cheaper as in their own country, even when they pay 2-3 times more than we would pay.
- Biz means money, especially in a country where the social system is not well developed, like CN
What do I when something is to "expensive" or I am not willing to pay the asked price: I do not buy!!
During the first time in CN I was complaining in the way your are doing it now - at least it sounds like this. It's wasted time, turn around and go to the next shop. When you only want to pay less than 100 for ST, then only go to places where you can get it.
Some guys are looking for more than only "in-out-in-out-in-out...mei dan!" and are willing to pay more to get it. Your last "100 ST girl" maybe had a customer before you who wanted more than only to fuck her and paid 2-3 times more than you will pay, because he was satisfied...he got what he was expecting. No reason to bash this customer. You are expecting a "cheap fuck"...look for it and you will get it.
Finally, what is a "cheap fuck"? What is your definition of a "cheap fuck"?
I really do not want an answer, it just should be something you might start thinking about.
m2c
LW
PS:
I think this topic should be continued in "Living in China" or "Cheap Sex in China", as it has - from my POV - nothing special to do with DG, GD or any other province in CN. I should have done it with this reply. I apologize.
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]Here is the info on the new 5 star place in Dongguan my friend in Hong kong is there last night new ktv have some very hot model very expensive over 200 girl .
[url]http://www.sinohotel.com/hotel/hotel.html;jsessionid=43548669205E3621C121BF84379F3C3A?hid=3255[/url]
fast eddie 48[/QUOTE]Wow that hotel looks awsome! Can anyone give a review and if it's better than Tangxia Goodview Hotel? Any other exceptional hotels in Dongguan area?
Cheers
[QUOTE=Laowai123]
During the first time in CN I was complaining in the way your are doing it now - at least it sounds like this. It's wasted time, turn around and go to the next shop. When you only want to pay less than 100 for ST, then only go to places where you can get it.
Some guys are looking for more than only "in-out-in-out-in-out...mei dan!" and are willing to pay more to get it. Your last "100 ST girl" maybe had a customer before you who wanted more than only to fuck her and paid 2-3 times more than you will pay, because he was satisfied...he got what he was expecting. No reason to bash this customer. You are expecting a "cheap fuck"...look for it and you will get it.
Finally, what is a "cheap fuck"? What is your definition of a "cheap fuck"?
I really do not want an answer, it just should be something you might start thinking about.
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I have been living in China for over 3 years and have fucked 100s of girls in that time. This is following several other Asian countries that I have lived in.
I never said I only want to pay 100ST. In the past year I almost never did and dont need to. I just said that it exists as an option and is a counterbalance for the ever increasing prices here in GD. I remember when some SWs would be happy with 150LT.
Currently, a Yalan girl taken through a mamasan is 200ST. A ZH streetwalker is 200ST. The 2-3 times I was refering to was those guys who are paying 400-500 to have one round with these same girls. This could be considered as crazy and fuels the greed of the girls/mamas that try to inflate prices for foreigners.
Anyone that has lived in China for a while would know that there are Chinese men who equate a good night out as one that has cost a lot of money. Regardless of whether they can afford it or not. Even if they have overpaid what its worth they see it as a better experience than if it had been cheaper. This is one factor that works against me and others who are trying to get value for money in the same places and businesses that are operating there.
If in ZH you can visit a sauna and get AR, BBBJ and two rounds for under 300RMB (even under 250RMB), then paying more than this for one round with a Yalan girl or a ZH SW and not even a blowjob is very poor value in my books. If someone wants to pay a girl 500RMB to a girl that delivered very little, played games in his room, told him bullshit stories and then he was mr nice guy and gave her all this money then good luck to him and his future experiences mongering in China. So from these examples alone, you might now have a better idea of what I consider to be 'cheap' and 'not cheap'.
Why do I like cheap sex? Because I am buying so much of it. Someone that pays for sex once or twice a month or has a massive disposable income probably doesnt need to discuss value for money in such detail or enter into discussions such as this one (although my interest in continuing this thread any further is minimal at best).
I suggest you read my posts much more carefully and think a little harder about the points I was trying to make before you make a reactionary post. You might even want to sleep on it first. Many things I write develop a point that a poster has previously made anyway. If you want clarification about something I have written, then feel free to ask for it. Try not to make assumptions too early, especially as you havent met me and discussed issues like this in person in a calm and civil way.
[QUOTE=Azn Playa]
I have been living in China for over 3 years and have fucked 100s of girls in that time.........
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[QUOTE=Azn Playa]
..............There are many places in Asia other than PP and AC which are better value than the ST rates of CP and ZH.............
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I had previously taken the trouble to look at your various posts previously before I replied to you in the first instance.
No doubt, you are an experienced monger. Someone who always emphasises “value for money” and the likes. It's only because I respected your opinion that I am in discussion mode.
I have a friend similar to you (not necessarily the same).
Despite being a dollar millionaire a few times over, he drives a hard bargain and would always go the extra mile to get his “value for money”.
Even if it would cost him lots of valuable time and mental agony.
If he changed his ways, he would be deprived of the GREATER PLEASURE of having paid “his right price”.
However, as I have said, in some countries it's easier to assert a price level that is fair from your point of view.
In a place like China where you have CHINESE people, it's harder if you understand Chinese mentality. Surely you do since you have lived in China for 3 years and fucked 100s of Chinese girls.
I only used PP and AC as examples because you have written about these. Note that in both places the girls are not Chinese and easier to deal with overall when it comes to pricing and financial expectations (my opinion).
Without being sarcastic, I have also known many "experienced expatriates" who have lived in foreign countries for countless years and until today, they have not truly tuned into their locales enough to know what is really going on around them. Perhaps a mental inaptitude (again my opinion).
I am not implying that you are one of these of course.
Most important, do you really believe that you know China and Chinese people well enough yet?
Even at my grey old age, I am still learning something new about people and places I have known all my life. We never stop learning besides the fact that our perceptions do change as we move along.
[QUOTE=Azn Playa]
.................Anyone that has lived in China for a while would know that there are Chinese men who equate a good night out as one that has cost a lot of money. Regardless of whether they can afford it or not. Even if they have overpaid what its worth they see it as a better experience than if it had been cheaper. This is one factor that works against me and others who are trying to get value for money in the same places and businesses that are operating there.............
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On paying more and feeling better about the experience (and it goes beyond sex),
Chinese men do not have exclusivity in paying more and feeling better about the overall experience of paying more. The expensive Branded Goods of the world would not survive and thrive if this behavior is exclusive to Chinese men.
I do agree that Asians and Chinese in general do love to seem to be able to afford lavishness. Especially when they are in business entertainment mode.
[QUOTE=Azn Playa]
...........If in ZH you can visit a sauna and get AR, BBBJ and two rounds for under 300RMB (even under 250RMB), then paying more than this for one round with a Yalan girl or a ZH SW and not even a blowjob is very poor value in my books.................
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[QUOTE=Azn Playa]
Therefore the 'expectations' I referred to were naturally those related to sex. Nothing more.
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For comparison purposes, I suggest that we compare oranges with oranges and apples with apples;
Even within Zhuhai, you can get an all in Sauna experience for 200rmb and at another place for 238+330 = 568 rmb or even more. I am talking about real standard prices, not a one-off rip off.
It may well be for similar experiences in your eyes but, the management of each of these two places position their overall experience and target at different clientele.
The higher end price place does not target you and so your opinion is valid from your perspective. Yet some others will respond positively too.
When you compare Zhuhai's sauna with CP's saunas,in your "value for money mental mode" obviously, you would go for Saunas in the cheaper joints in Zhuhai rather than CP. At the same time, some of us may be happier to pay more to go to CP’s or Zhuhai’s more expensive places when the occasion warrants it.
Lets talk purely about sex, why would anyone in CP pay 150 or even 200 yuans for a BBS girl when you can go to the “Catacombs” and have a fuck and BJ for a total of 50 yuans (30 + 20 for BJ). Essentially the same thing? Yucks!
Obviously, there is a difference.
Some customers prefer a “dalliance", perhaps a dinner, or even a sit around the hotel room just talking, (or even listening to bullshit) before fucking. For some this could go on for hours, and they may not argue over some 100 to 200 yuans and others may.
Worst, a minority will take all of 2 to 3 hours, expect to pop twice and want to pay the same ST rate of 200 yuans or raise hell!
There is a difference for sure.
Take Shenzhen. I understand that there, the girls prefer to get straight down to action and be done with you so they can turn more tricks. Time is after all money to them.
[QUOTE=Azn Playa]
........Why do I like cheap sex? Because I am buying so much of it..........
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Just when you think you are “huge in your volume and experience”, you may be surprised that your numbers may be dwarfed by others.
Most of us like to pay the right price. And yet, when the “right girl” comes along, most of us all do the “right thing”, we pay more!
If this was not true, there would be no marriages in the world because we would fuck and forget instantly!
There are also quite a few "smart" people who use MONEY as the MOTIVATOR to get attention as a trade off against TIME which they value more.
Most of these people do spoil the market, but, they exist and there is not much we can do about it!
I travel frequently with a friend who consistently does it and it suits him and works well for him.
If I take the same girl after him and pay only “market rates”, I still get very decent service despite him. This because I take the trouble to help her understand that these people are her good luck and fortune but they are the exception.
[QUOTE=Azn Playa]
............... You need to spend some time reading some other posts eg. where OAH recently mentioned having 200RMB thrown at him because he didn't pay 300+ for a ST............
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[QUOTE=Azn Playa]
(6) ............ Where do you think the girls learn that a foreigner would be dumb enough to pay 300, 400 or even 800RMB for ST?...........
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[QUOTE=Azn Playa]
(7) ............ "What the market is willing to pay" varies greatly as there are the guys that know what the price is and others who have no clue.........
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I did and I like his posts so whenever I come to the threads, I do read his posts.
On OAH's experience with the girl throwing the money at him. It has also happened to me in Indonesia where the girls are less money minded than China. Yet it happened.
I am sure it happens more often than is reported.
I prefer to think that it’s the girls WHO HAVE NOT LEARNT that do these things.
If a girl knows her business, she will know not to even try those tricks. The girls who have learnt know when to turn on the charm to get more out of us.
The accomplished sales & marketing person knows it takes very little to keep an old customer and huge amounts to win a new one!
In any case, the girls who do these things USUALLY DO NOT SURVIVE in this SERVICE INDUSTRY. They have no return customers! And get black listed!
When I refer to what the market is willing to pay, I am talking about a smaller spectrum of the norm.
The overall regular market.
If we take some of Southern China's major cities which would include Zhuhai, Shenzhen, Chang Ping and Guangzhou (for discussion purposes), its a known fact that the market is made up of Hong Kong people, Taiwanese, and some Japanese, Singaporeans, Malaysians in the majority.
We can safely leave out the others unless you have a different opinion. The majority will always determine the outcome of prices in general.
That’s why the catacombs that mostly serve the local low end inhabitants still charge 30 yuans for a 20 min quickie pop, even when the odd foreigner turns up.
[QUOTE=Azn Playa]
.......................... I can get freebies too - I just can't stand the crap you have to go through before and after which makes the 'freebie' little value to me. Even if its free at the time, its going to cost you eventually............
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Read my post again. We agree that there is no such thing as a "freebie"!
[QUOTE=Azn Playa]
The thing that I can't stand is guys that come to GD for a quick business trip and pay 2-3 times the going rate, drive prices up and service down and ultimately ruin it for those of us that live here. By posting on here I'm hoping that newbies will try to tow the line and not buckle under the pressure placed on them by money hungry hookers who demand more and deliver little.
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These guys are a minority and the smart girls know better than to depend on them for regular income. They will never truly be the “market price makers.” Most of them don’t even know that there’s the ISG!
BTW, I am only spending this huge amount of time here in KL, Malaysia writing this because I prefer having this discussion than going out in the town here and getting “lousy value for money sex!”
Can’t wait to get back to Zhuhai & CP where overall, my patronage is highly welcomed and desired! Of course, there are other places including Thailand where I live. But, right now, I am captivated by CHINESE GIRLS!
As stressed earlier, I am in discussion mode!
Here is my 2 cents on over paying. When I first got to China, I had over paid the girls for good service. My reason was that it is so cheap compared to the U.S. and what is an extra 50 rmb tip for good service. Then after talking to some of the regulars, I found that even the extra 50rmb is no big deal to me since I only go to China 2 times per year but to the guys who lives there, it may be an extra 50rmb per girl (since the prices might go up fi enough vacationers did this) for them from this date forward. If they did 2 girls per week, it would be an extra 5000rmb per year.
When we are on vacation, we are more willing to pay more for a girl that we really want rather then just walk away because we will probably not be able to find her again while the regulars might bump into her the next week. She might then come down in price where we would have lost the chance with her forever and thus we are willing to pay extra to get the experience with her rather then save a few rmb.
The reason why visitors do not care about the extra $ is that they will not be there long enough for it to effect them. What is an extra 50rmb compared to the cost of airline ticket.
This is why if the girl knows that you are new, then she thinks she can get more money from you but if she knows that you have been doing this for a while then she will charge you the regular price.
An example was when we were hanging out with the great OAH at Jusco. He had been paying 150rmb for girls there for quite a while however we were paying 200rmb to take the girls back to our hotel. However because he was hanging around with us, his girl wanted 200rmb from him and would not accept 150rmb. He had to pay that and now his price for all the girls have gone from 150 to 200rmb. He was not happy with that and made sure that we knew it.
Lastly, the Chinese are used to bargaining. They don't have many system like us in the U.S. where the price you see is the price you pay (hope this will be the way in China soon). It is always trying to get the most amount out of your customers. This is why they like foreigners and hates Hong Kong guys since we usually pay more than we need to while the Hong Kong guys will pay less.
Jeez.... who cares if guys come into town and pay more, it doesn't change anything. I think there's some misunderstanding about the nature of the business in China. By far, the VAST majority of clients for the hookers are native Chinese and it's these guys who set the prices. Whether some foreign guy on business or vacation over pays by 2X,20X, or even 100X... it's not large enough of a market to change prices. To add to that, it a buyers' market. There are far more hookers than customers. How often have you seen every single girl from a BBS taken out? When you go to Yalan, don't all the mommies grab you and pull you in all directions? Would that happen in a sellers' market? As long as you know what the going rate is, that's what you'll end up paying.
That said, I've never had problems giving girls a bit extra if I happened to like the girl. Believe me, a 50RMB tip isn't going to change the market price of anything and neither is a 500RMB tip to a KTV girl.
OAH,
You need to clear out your PM box... I need to send a PM to you by the 11th... If I can't reach you via PM, I'll phone you.
Moody
[QUOTE=Underpsi]Wow that hotel looks awsome! Can anyone give a review and if it's better than Tangxia Goodview Hotel? Any other exceptional hotels in Dongguan area?
Cheers[/QUOTE]
to underspi
Royal garden just open one month ago so alot of monger don't know about this place , the dream house ktv night club is the largest in southern china
and I will be in china end of the month to check it out , my friend from hong kong told me some top model want 1800 rmb for all nighter talking about over
price .
[url]http://www.royalgardenhotel.com.cn/Entertainment_en.aspx[/url]
fast eddie 48
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]to underspi
Royal garden just open one month ago so alot of monger don't know about this place , the dream house ktv night club is the largest in southern china
and I will be in china end of the month to check it out , my friend from hong kong told me some top model want 1800 rmb for all nighter talking about over
price .
[url]http://www.royalgardenhotel.com.cn/Entertainment_en.aspx[/url]
fast eddie 48[/QUOTE]Wow, I thought the market is rmb800; but isn't there a fixed price from the mamasan or is it one of those things that you have to nego everytime? I heard that for model types in prince or nearby charge rmb1000 and that is the high end. I will give it a try in late March when I go.
OK, been a while since I wrote an FR and I still won't due to memory lapses these days and no notes.
Heres a couple of recent BBS girls I took back:
First one was from Mami Lili's in Yalan area.
Plain indifferent bonk but I really like the no-make up newbie look.
Second one from behind Huei Mei area either from Mami Coco or adjoining joint.
She was a great ST bonk!
They may not be what you are looking for but for me, I like them as fresh as they can come.
The thing about CP is the incessant array of new talent each time I visit! Unfortunately, the better bonks were the more experienced girls and they were strictly NO PICS for this visit!
[QUOTE=Azn Playa]I have been living in China for over 3 years and have fucked 100s of girls in that time. This is following several other Asian countries that I have lived in .....]
Being a Chinese myself having lived in U.S.A. and Australia and now living in Hong Kong, my advice is to follow the local custom. In U.S.A., you pay US$100-200 ST, and Australia A$150 ST, and you never get the selection like in CP. Do you have a choice? No, because that is the going rate paid by the locals.
As pointed out by many mongering brothers, the VAST majority of the mongers patronising the CP girls are Hong Kongers. They determine the going rate, i.e. Rmb200 ST and Rmb400-500 LT. And LT means a shot at night and one in the morning, but generally if you treat the girl well, she will allow more than two, depending on your stamina, and hers as well. If you are lucky, you may find something cheaper, but it may be of lower quality.
Just my two cents worth.
Eddy
As much as I hate to continue this thread any further, if people keep quoting my posts (even after Crazier wrote that 1500 word reply) and missing the point(s) I was trying make, its probably going to initiate one more response from me.
I know what the price is, have paid it many times.
I know where mongers are from that surround me in the hotel lobby and restaurants as we often talk and they help me with my chinese SMS and language skills. Regular chinese mongers who are fairly money conscious and are there just for sex don't get scammed and I was never referring to them.
Prices for sex will always continue to rise over time. My efforts in paying less (as a westerner) are made mostly to try to abate this increase. Yes I can afford Chinese rates, actually a lot more and 50-100RMB extra per girl (even if multiplied by 150 each year) is never going to hurt me financially. But I also plan to be living in China for a long time and am somewhat concerned with what could happen in the future. I've experienced this first hand in areas of other Asian cities which used to be considered cheap and are not anymore. I havent had any bad experiences in terms of being ripped off (compared with some examples I have read or heard about) but I am also trying to do my bit for the western newbies out there who could get scammed because some other westerners before him paid way too much.
Parts of my posts are only related to paying SWs which I realise is less relevant in CP and has nothing to do with the Yalan BBS. Anyone can go to the Yalan and pay 200ST regardless of your experience or language skills. Western mongers in China have far less control of price gouging from SWs and "refusing then walking away" isn't much of a remedy and doesnt help the situation as the girl often couldn't care less and will turn around to grab an Asian monger walking past. Also a bullshit confrontation in my hotel room from the girl about the price is something that I prefer to avoid.
{{{BTW, thanks to Crazier for pointing out the search feature of a member's posting history. Yes you're right, you can learn more about a person that way than just reading their recent posts. You have written a reasonable amount of information in the past describing who you are etc. (and we are very different people in so many respects). This answers some of the questions I had about you and why you were going to so much trouble writing defensive replies to my posts (which for the most part weren't personally directed at you anyway). I have a tendency to write 'you' to mean 'a figurative person' and I can see that you thought I had written an entire post about you (Crazier). I will try to write all posts in the third person from now on.}}}
P*E*A*C*E!!
[QUOTE=Azn Playa]
I can see that you thought I had written an entire post about you (Crazier). I will try to write all posts in the third person from now on.
P*E*A*C*E!![/QUOTE]
To use a Chinese expression
"AI YAH"
I learnt a long time ago that communication is the KEY.
Further that when you send a message and the receiver gets the wrong message, the sender is at fault. You have to communicate in a language the receiver understands.
So, here I am at fault!
NEVER have I thought or wanted to defend myself because there is NOTHING to DEFEND.
Further, I NEVER TOOK ANY OF YOUR POSTS PERSONALLY NOR READ THEM AS DIRECTED AT ME, so I hope you are clear about that.
However,
I took trouble to write my opinion about what I read you posted which I perceived differently. Surely we can have a difference of opinion about many subjects. Or the world would be less colourful & interesting.
As I had written previously in my last post, I have been here in KL, Malaysia for the last few days working. As for mongering, this is a SHITHOLE so far as VFM is concerned.
Sitting here & reading about CP or other things & other people's ideas & opinions is my preferred entertainment as opposed to jacking off in my hotel room! CNN is more boring!
Where I see thinks differently, I just hit the keyboard without malice nor evil intention, hope it's clear!
As you wrote, PEACE but, there was never a war in the first place, not in my mind, just a different perception.
I think you know where the Swan Lake is by now L123. For those that don't, it's walking out of the Yalan Hotel and taking a right to the main road and then a right, up the road, away from the Miraton direction.
You will reach a secondary street (not an alley) after a five minute walk on the left side of the street. Turn left and walk into the street and about 50 feet and on the right side is the hotel. Normally the street steerers will take the customers through the open driveway on the right side of the hotel to the rear staircase and up to the second floor. There, you may find about 5 or 6 mamasan sitting around the table waiting for us suckers (hehehehe). They will pounce on you for attention.
The price is 50RMB for 2 hours but the Swan Lake short time room has to be rented through the mama and after you have selected one of her girls. I don't know if you can use with another girl from a different mama. But I suppose you can use it again with another different girl from the same mamasan who first got you the key. The normal hotel 2 hour rate is 80RMB.
My experience was that the girl will wait for you to finish up and return the room key through the mamasan or the hotel.
The Yalan Hotel has the same kind of deal. Alittle less than 100RMB for 3 hours. This is the best deal. No commitment to one mamasan for room deal.
Yalan 3 hour special:
hour 1: Shop for girl first, then check in with girl at Yalan to maximize time, bang first girl.
hour 2: eat or sleep.
hour 3: Shop for second girl and bang.
At least 7 shops within a 2 minute walking distance of the Yalan Hotel and you're not committed to the Swan Lake girls. The immediate Yalan area has about at least over 150 girls combined. Whereas the Swan Lake has about 50 girls within the five rooms.
The Swan Lake is a bit far, about 10 minutes from Yalan Hotel.
Word of warning, you don't want to be caught inside the Swan Lake KTV rooms with the mamasans. It's a 10 to 15 minutes hassle just to get out their room and that's one of five rooms you have to visit. They are very forceful with their sales pitch. It's safer to shop from the doorway of their rooms.
Bill
[QUOTE=Laowai123]
...Actually I need information about the location of Swan Lake Hotel as I am not sure if it was this hotel which offers a girl from there KTV and a room for three hours for CNY250 total (if I am not wrong) mentioned by OAH, AG and Wadman during the last CP trip....
LW[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]
Word of warning, you don't want to be caught inside the Swan Lake KTV rooms with the mamasans. It's a 10 to 15 minutes hassle just to get out their room and that's one of five rooms you have to visit. They are very forceful with their sales pitch. It's safer to shop from the doorway of their rooms.
Bill[/QUOTE]
A warning to be heeded for sure!
These mamas are either desperate or maybe, they know their girls are generally older & amongst the ugliest in the whole of Yalan area.
I had to shove them away to get out of the first room I stepped into!
NEVER AGAIN although I should never say never again!
Went to a town twenty minutes drive south of Changping with, Reader, Travel3838, and another monger.
We hired a car and the driver showed us the shops. First we saw several shops and the talent was ok.
Then he took us to another area which was near the Jia Rong Shopping Mall. There were about ten pink light shops with the doors open. The quality of the girls was lower than Changping but there were some who looked pretty good. The price was only 130rmb short time, 300rmb overnight.
To get there go to the Windsor Park Hotel and then go south towards shenzhen for 3 or 4 blocks, or half a mile, and then turn right. I know this is not very accurate directions but it's the best I can do.
The town is called HuangJiang or Yellow River.
I have been spending a lot of time in Changping and having a good time. Lots of girls available and good fun hanging with the brothers.
I have enjoyed my visits to the Swan Lake Hotel and some of the girls are good looking.
Short time rooms are only 50rmb if you take one of their girls, otherwise the room is 80rmb ST and 150rmb overnight. The girls are 200rmb.
My friend Bill Lee said it is a 10 minute walk from Yalan, but I think it is a little less than that, certainly no more than 10 mins.
The phone number of the Swan Lake Hotel is 86-769-83338388 or 86-769-83338288.
Most of us prefer staying in the center of Changping at the 4 star Miraton Hotel, pronounced May-e-dung Joedian. Call 86-769-83028888. We pay 298rmb weekdays or 320 on weekends. That is a discount rate which you may or may not get.
If they say no, you can try the New Century Hotel, go out side and turn right, it's a five minute walk, 300rmb. Or the Lucky Hotel, go outside and turn left, it's a five minute walk, 150rmb.
You can rent an apartment in Changping for around 1500 to 3000 rmb a month. Six month minimum.
Or for short term rentals you might try the new Manhattan Service Apartments at 523562 SwanLake Road. Nightly rates are 168rmb. When you leave they will give you a 30rmb coupon. Weekly and monthly rates are also available. Call 86-769-83902211.
[QUOTE=Santa]I have been spending a lot of time in Changping and having a good time. Lots of girls available and good fun hanging with the brothers.
I have enjoyed my visits to the Swan Lake Hotel and some of the girls are good looking.
[/QUOTE]
Santa,
I am glad that you found the girls good looking too! And had fun. Otherwise they would be closed yesterday already.
If all of us had the same taste in women, there won't be enough to go round for sure!
Nice hanging out with you guys too that week!
C.
[QUOTE=Santa][...]
To get there go to the Windsor Park Hotel and then go south towards shenzhen for 3 or 4 blocks, or half a mile, and then turn right. I know this is not very accurate directions but it's the best I can do.
The town is called HuangJiang or Yellow River.[/QUOTE][url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=547527[/url]
I take the liberty also pointing to a post with an attached Google Earth file for all (known) locations in CP:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=548596[/url]
LW
just came back from the new Amazon wannabe. From what I was told many of Amazon's management, workers and talents have bolted for this place. It has been opened for a few months.
Went up there with about half dozen friends to check this place out. Protocol is pretty much like the old amazon but with a few differences. We were up there on a thursday evening and at 6:30PM we saw a line up of over four hundred girls dressed to kill. We got up there earlier in the afternoon and sat in the cafe checking some of the girls checking in for work. Motorbikes taxi drivers were dropping them off and some were walking in. The quality i think is better and a bit younger. The one thing that i notice was that most of the girls were wearing clothes showing off more clevages ( and i am definitely a titty man) and many were just wearing transparent clothng (all of the girls wearing transparent clothings are also bra and panties).
The set up is that the new JiaYi hotel is the KTV is almost connected. Looking directly at it, the KTV is on the right and the hotel is on the left. I will get to the gals in a bit.
The hotel is new and has many rooms. I think it is about five or six stories talls. The room are nicely appointed, more like almost a four star hotel. The rooms are better than the Hotel Versailles (Hotel next to Amazon KTV). I feel that the rooms are very well appointed for now since it is new. The breakfast included the room is definitely WORST than the Hotel Versaille. I would skip the breakfast next time. We all got a rate of 178RMB for a thursday nite. Good rate, definitely . Less than a two minute walk across the parking lot. JiaYi is definitely not a family hotel but an adult fun hotel.
Now for the KTV and the girls. Walking in you are literally greeted by atleast another fifty girls sounding off and bowing in unison welcoming you to the club as you enter. Then as enter further you will encounter a room where the girls are lined in several rows. The gaunlet is narrower than Amazon and the mommies literally shows off their gals to you. If you even spend a few extra seconds leering at a girl the mommy will catch on and immediately bring the girls to you. It is definitely awesome. Their outfits were more revealing and eyecatching than the ones in Amazon. Most of the best talents in Amazon are now here.
We took atleast a dozen gals back with us to the KTV room. The day before I called a friend that was a VIP customer with Amazon and i ask if he had been Jiayi KTV and he has and told me that the new place has already given him VIP status. He set up a reservation for us and join us for the party at the new place. After picking up the girls we sent them up to the KTV room and party for the next five hours. The rooms was beautifully appointed with multiple large screens. Definitely a first class party room.
Here are the things to look out for. The girls have a quota to order atleast one ladies drink approx 45rmb. If not they were have to pay a penaly of 50rmb back to the house for the nite. My girl was constantly all over me, making sure that my glass of constantly full, feeding me whatever thing i want to eat and constantly touching and feeling me. The club motto or the manager's instruction is to make sure all guest are happy. i was told that there is a penaty charge is a customer complains to mgmt.
At the end of the night, i asked if she wants to spend the night with me, she replies she will if I want her. She was there to make sure that i was happy. The pricing for the club is 2/5/8
Total damage 20 guys/20 gals (only thirteen came back with us) and five hours of drinking singing partying and fun.... $2,700RMB with a birthday cake and a magnum bottle of champagne throwin, at least one dozen plates of small finger food and tips to the DJ, one mommy to control the girls and cleanup person. I think that without my friends VIP status it maybe another 2000rmb atleast.
Most of the girls at the place at atleast 6.5 or higher. Very few of the girls are over twenty three or four. I was told that they lifted the standards for the girls much higher than the old amazon. Bye Amazon.... Hello JiaYi
I have been itching to try this place since late last year. We set up another party at the same place late next week. I just cannot wait.
Bnlee2,
Where is this hotel located?
I will try on my next trip!
[QUOTE=UnderPSI]Bnlee2,
Where is this hotel located?
I will try on my next trip![/QUOTE]For an overview of CP, please see here:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=548596[/url]
In this Google Earth File you will find following locations:
Hotels
- Miraton
- Hui Hua
- Walter
- Virgin
- Hui Mei
- Jia Yi
- Yalan
- Versailles
- Peninsula
- Jia Mei Hotel
- Swan Lake (??? location not confirmed)
KTV
- Amazon
- Jia Yi / Tao Yuan Recreation
- Lion
- PP
(Special) Areas
- Yalan
- Catacombs
- BOC (Bank of China)
- Mc Donalds
- Railway Station
- Bus Station
...and some more...
hth
LW
[QUOTE=Crazier]A warning to be heeded for sure!
These mamas are either desperate or maybe, they know their girls are generally older & amongst the ugliest in the whole of Yalan area.
I had to shove them away to get out of the first room I stepped into!
NEVER AGAIN although I should never say never again![/QUOTE]Yes, I was also unfortunate to have the same experience. I saw two cute chicks going into Swan Lake Hotel and guessed they could be in one of those joints. But being locked into a room for >10 min and with 3 mamasans forcing me to take their poor selection of girls really pissed me off.
[QUOTE=Azn Playa]Prices for sex will always continue to rise over time. My efforts in paying less (as a westerner) are made mostly to try to abate this increase. Yes I can afford Chinese rates, actually a lot more and 50-100RMB extra per girl (even if multiplied by 150 each year) is never going to hurt me financially. But I also plan to be living in China for a long time and am somewhat concerned with what could happen in the future.
P*E*A*C*E!![/QUOTE]You can't control "inflation" alone. It's a demand and supply situation and the demand from the majority rules. This is a service industry and intangible counts. Nothing like a good bonk for me and a MM who leaves happily and both of us hoping to see each other again (for different reasons, of course). So for God sake, don't live life like this. It is very tiring especially if you think money is not a problem. I pay the girls the market rate plus Y50 tips for reasonable service and Y100 for good service. For exceptional service, I'll take her for several days and pay her Y100 extra per day plus gifts.
[QUOTE=Meimei69]You can't control "inflation" alone. It's a demand and supply situation and the demand from the majority rules. This is a service industry and intangible counts. Nothing like a good bonk for me and a MM who leaves happily and both of us hoping to see each other again (for different reasons, of course). So for God sake, don't live life like this. It is very tiring especially if you think money is not a problem. I pay the girls the market rate plus Y50 tips for reasonable service and Y100 for good service. For exceptional service, I'll take her for several days and pay her Y100 extra per day plus gifts.[/QUOTE]
Naturally I can't do it alone, to stem the flow of rising P4P prices anywhere, it needs to be a group effort. It certainly isn't merely inflation either, its fueled by the greed of the people controlling the trade in an area pushing prices as far as possible. CP isn't a secret to westerners anymore and as the word gets out more they will arrive in greater numbers. I've lived through 'mega-inflation' in other Asian hotspots and don't want to experience it here.
The supply of girls in CP is in a constant state of surplus regardless of the day or time. Everyone here knows that a ST from a Yalan BBS is 200. It is the price. If demand for these girls became less, it's still going to be 200.
I rarely have the same girls twice as it is often difficult to find them available or they have moved around. If they do visit me again its almost always after their working hours and they will pocket more (yet I will have spent less).
As the price is set, if you want a girl then you only have to beat the other guy to her first. You are hardly going to experience walking into a BBS and then the girl refuses to go with you because you didn't tip another girl from there. The mamasan's are doing the hardest sell I have seen anywhere, they want money from you and repeat business. Yeah if the girl does more than expected, great - give her something to show you appreciate it. But I draw the line at a mandatory tipping policy because then the price has immediately risen (for that individual) by, say, 25% and if enough people (eg most westerners) do the same, then the providers will ultimately reassess their price structure and think "yeah ok, THIS is now the price".
"Nothing like a good bonk" - agreed. But that's just everyday life for me, year round. Girlfriends come and go, but the working girls fill a need. If you want to repeat things with the same girls several times then a tip would help, but I'm not counting on seeing the girl again and the ones that do drop by for a quick visit keep incessantly calling and texting as to when I will want her again. And I probably didn't tip her, maybe a meal somewhere if she wanted. If the girl is awesome and I'm ****-struck, then she can quit her job and live with me for a while. Yeah I will spoil her and 'pay' the money necessary for her family. A girl can receive long term gains if she treats me right. That's all. She can live very well if she doesn't fuck things up, but most of them do eventually (eg. lies, bullshit, scamming, stealing etc) which is probably enough reasons why never to attempt a relationship with a working girl in the first place. I should know, going down this road too many times to want to mention.
BTW what you consider to be 'tiring' doesn't affect me at all (and its always nice to mention the religious leader of a billion people on a board devoted to mongering). You didn't even define if your tips are for ST or LT (and my examples have almost exclusively referred to ST) and your mongering history is difficult to ascertain as this was your fourth post on ISG. But thanks for the advice anyway! What does tire me is 2-3 STs during the day followed by a girl who stays the night and wants to cuddle and sleeps all over me. Im so tired right now I could sleep lying down a flight of stairs. Hope this reply is comprehendible.
can someone swing by this place one day and take some photos of the exterior and interior?
can this place add on high speed internet access at renter's expense?
i now have an interest in coming back to china and making cp my main stay.
bill
[quote=santa]you can rent an apartment in changping for around 1500 to 3000 rmb a month. six month minimum.
or for short term rentals you might try the new manhattan service apartments at 523562 swanlake road. nightly rates are 168rmb. when you leave they will give you a 30rmb coupon. weekly and monthly rates are also available. call 86-769-83902211.[/quote]
Went to Zhangmutou, a nice town just 30 minutes north of Shenzhen.
Stayed at the very nice Solaris Hotel, 289rmb. Exit the hotel and turn left. Go three blocks and turn right. On the left side of the street you will see a Century 21 real estate sign. The are about 12 pinklight shops in the area behind the real estate store.
Laowai 123 lives in the area and likes to meet friends from the board, so if you are going, send him a PM. Zhangmutou is on the Shenzhen-Guangzhou railway line and has a station.
[QUOTE=Santa]Went to Zhangmutou, a nice town just 30 minutes north of Shenzhen.
Stayed at the very nice Solaris Hotel, 289rmb. Exit the hotel and turn left. Go three blocks and turn right. On the left side of the street you will see a Century 21 real estate sign. The are about 12 pinklight shops in the area behind the real estate store.
Laowai 123 lives in the area and likes to meet friends from the board, so if you are going, send him a PM. Zhangmutou is on the Shenzhen-Guangzhou railway line and has a station.[/QUOTE]Sweet! my friend has partnership in that place, although I haven't got round to trying out the KTV yet. How does it compare to other places in Zhangmutou?
I have connections with Garden hotel, but I haven't seen how thats been doing recently, any good?
[QUOTE=Santa]You can rent an apartment in Changping for around 1500 to 3000 rmb a month. Six month minimum.[/QUOTE]Do you have a phone number of this apartment?
Can you describe a little about the apartment facility?
Thanks
[QUOTE=Lord Of Ruin]Sweet! my friend has partnership in that place, although I haven't got round to trying out the KTV yet. How does it compare to other places in Zhangmutou?[/QUOTE]Do you mean Hotel Solaris KTV?
I was there only one time, did not like the room furniture - too uncomfortable for me, Mama ran out of girls. The problem with girls I also heard from another person. Hehe, maybe that's the reason why Crazier and I met one of Solaris KTV girls in the elevator of Miraton.
Which kind of partnership has your friend with Hotel Solaris? In case management/investment, you can tell him that they could do more. More to get and keep foreign guests, but this is another story. The staff is very friendly and I like them, but they are not running the hotel.
Btw, the sauna seems to be closed at Solaris, as the two floor numbers 7 and 8 are covered in the elevators now. Or maybe the changed something.
[QUOTE=Lord Of Ruin]I have connections with Garden hotel, but I haven't seen how thats been doing recently, any good?[/QUOTE]I only know garden Hotel as a place where you can eat good dishes.
LW
[QUOTE=Santa]Laowai 123 lives in the area and likes to meet friends from the board, so if you are going, send him a PM. Zhangmutou is on the Shenzhen-Guangzhou railway line and has a station.[/QUOTE]
My buddy and I are headed to DG/CP this Saturday nite and will stay for a few days. If anyone is interested in meeting up for a drink or a little mongering, shoot me a PM. Unsure of the hotel we will be at as we will stay at 3 different hotels for business research.
-SZE
Just spoke with mamasan at shop (#1) in alley next to the restaurant across from the Yalan hotel. There's a crackdown going on and they could close early. I call her about 11 p.m. and she was closed already. But she told me that they still open up at 3:00 p.m. and when it is hot, they will close early.
Bill
[b][color=green][size=5]Tan Tan[/size][/color][/b]
As soon as I was settled into the Miraton Hotel, I walked towards the Hui Mei Hotel and was soon approached by a mamasan. She walked me to a nearby house with 5 girls. The mamasan was pushing an older girl with big tits, saying she gave great blowjobs. But I preferred a younger model, with a pretty face, sexy haircut and perfect figure. The mamasan asked for 250 RMB ST, but that was soon reduced to 200 RMB.
Tan Tan wasn’t exactly trigger-happy, but still posed for some pictures. I nibbled on her small, perky tits and ate her pussy for quite some time, which she seemed to love. She gave a decent BBBJ, which could have done with a little more suction power. She didn’t relish sitting on my “big” laowai dick, but since she was really wet, it slid in easily. After she rode me for a while, I pulled her close and started kissing her. She resisted my tongue at first, but finally succumbed to slow & intimate French kissing. I alternated between DFK and drilling her in various positions until I exploded.
[b][color=green][size=5]Fancy Mamasan[/size][/color][/b]
As soon as I walked back out of the hotel, I was approached by another mamasan. Her girls were expensive (350 RMB ST – 700 RMB LT), but she claimed they were extremely beautiful. I was willing to check them out... but when the girls turned up to my room, they were very plain-looking. At least I got a free massage from the mamasan as I was waiting. :)
[b][color=green][size=5]Xiao Yeu[/size][/color][/b]
I headed back to the Hui Mei BBS and visited a few houses, but it was after 10 PM and there were few girls around. One mamasan recommended Xiao Yeu, who was clinging to me as if I were her long lost daddy. When she flashed her huge melons, I decided to take them home. Her mamasan had a feeble attempt at extracting 600 RMB from the newbie, but quickly settled for the usual 500 RMB.
As I didn’t have enough cash on me to pay for Xiao Yeu’s services, I stopped by an ATM machine. The first one I tried wouldn’t accept foreign cards. The second one (next to McDonald’s)... simply swallowed my card. WTF?
I called the security guard over, who dialed the number displayed. It took a few phone calls and a helluva long time before I finally got to talk to someone who could speak proper English. I had to come back with my passport the next day at 9AM to pick up my card. Just what I needed! When I told her I didn’t feel like waking up early morning, we finally made an appointment for 12 noon.
After that ordeal, I still didn’t have any money! Xiao Yeu and I walked all the way to the Bank of China ATM. I was a relieved man when I heard the machine rattle as it was counting my money...
After walking back and gobbling some proteins at McDonald’s, we eventually made it to my room. Xiao Yeu seemed tired, but sprung into action when I put on some music. She loved to imitate the catwalk models on FTV, wearing the hotel bathrobe and flashing her colossal tits as she turned around. She put on a great show!
Xiao Yeu licked my dick as if it were a lollipop and was really loud as she was riding my dick with her huge tits swinging around. Another great show! The obligatory titty fuck was oodles of fun as well.
As I had to pick up my ATM card the next day, I set my alarm clock for 10.30AM, so I could get another round in. I thought the BBS girls had to be back by noon, but Xiao Yeu was in no hurry to leave, and I eventually had to hurry her up to make sure I didn’t miss my appointment at the bank.
[b][color=green][size=5]Epilogue[/size][/color][/b]
It only took me about an hour to break my duck in Changping. After that, Xiao Yeu was the first Chinese girl to spend the night with me in China, and she was delightful company.
It was a great day. The first of many, I hoped...
Loso
[QUOTE=Loso69]
.....and ate her pussy for quite some time, which she seemed to love....
............It only took me about an hour to break my duck in Changping.....
Loso
[/QUOTE]
Loso,
Nice to read your continuing reports here!
I love to eat them too but have resisted WLs most of the time due to FEAR.
Just wonder if other mongers on this board have opnions / comments based on their 'incidents" of diseases and other dreaded negatives!
After all, its like dining in a "public sewer."
You could take less time to "break your duck" in CP if you phone in next time and have the girl wait for you in reception upon check in ! Now that you have the Mamasan numbers and some contacts for the girls directly.
I think I saw you leaving the Miraton Hotel that night on the way out to "break your duck." But I was so surprised to see you & my thoughts were "where have I seen that laowai before?"
C.
Just a thought (might sound silly)! You could use those Microwave thin plastic wrap to cover the puss :)
DU96
[QUOTE=Crazier]Loso,
Nice to read your continuing reports here!
I love to eat them too but have resisted WLs most of the time due to FEAR.
Just wonder if other mongers on this board have opnions / comments based on their 'incidents" of diseases and other dreaded negatives!
After all, its like dining in a "public sewer."
You could take less time to "break your duck" in CP if you phone in next time and have the girl wait for you in reception upon check in ! Now that you have the Mamasan numbers and some contacts for the girls directly.
I think I saw you leaving the Miraton Hotel that night on the way out to "break your duck." But I was so surprised to see you & my thoughts were "where have I seen that laowai before?"
C.[/QUOTE]
Crazier,
I fucked 177 different girls in 10 countries last year and licked the pussy of every girl that would let me (and was clean). No problem whatsoever! :) It gets them in the mood, and will very likely lead to great sex.
I still don't speak a word of Chinese. Phones are useless to me!
Loso
Eating pussy is basically quite safe if you don't have canker sore or bleeding gum, but ass rimming is more dangerous. I have a good friend who had sex holiday in Thailand last year for several weeks, rimmed about 20 somtam asses, and went back to Germany very satisfied.
Soon after he went back, he got so sick in every imaginable way, could not even get up, later determined to be contracted hepatitis A, he superficially blamed it on dirty foods in Thailand, but deep inside he knew most likely from eating these spicy somtam asses.
[B][COLOR=green][SIZE=5]Xiao Lin[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
After I’d gotten my ATM card back from the bank, I got a phone call from Reader123 (from ISG). We arranged to meet up when he finished working. Until then... I had time to fit in a ST.
I headed back to the Hui Mei BBS and met a clairvoyant mamasan who knew exactly who I wanted. Not only was Xiao Lin a true beauty with the sexiest of dimples, she was also a real sweetie who provided the most wonderful service.
[B][COLOR=green][SIZE=5]BBS Trolling[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
When Reader123 got off work, we caught a van to the Yalan Hotel and spent hours visiting the different BBS in the area. Every time we walked out of one BBS, a mamasan would be waiting to escort us to the next one. We must have visited 10+ BBS, each with a selection of 10-20 girls.
The mamasans popped out the girls’ tits to show their pink nipples. The girls were clinging onto us like leeches, so we wouldn’t be able to leave without them. The BBS were great fun! But even though there were plenty of China Dolls I was instantly in lust with, I wanted the full tour...
[B][COLOR=green][SIZE=5]Xiao La Jiao[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
When Reader123 finally selected a girl, I picked my favorite from the same BBS. Xiao La Jiao was a spunky one. She started French kissing me in the BBS and the look in her eye revealed she was the kind of girl who would devour me. I wasn’t far wrong...
When we got to my room, she pushed me on to the bed, jumped my bones and stuck her tongue down my throat again. After the shower, she positioned herself like a tigress and let her tongue go to work on my dick. My Little Pepper was a real expert when it comes to making a guy horny as hell.
She was reluctant to let me eat her pussy at first, but once she’d felt my tongue on her clit, she couldn’t get enough of it. As we were fucking, she was pressing my body against hers and pushing my dick deep inside her. God, did this girl ever love to fuck!
Xiao La Jiao was definitely a keeper, and when we headed to Reader123’s room, he decided to turn his ST into a LT as well. After dinner at Happy Together, we hopped on motorcycles to Xinde disco, and ordered 10 bottles of beer. My Little Pepper whipped Reader123’s ass at Liar’s Dice... by cheating. :) The techno music was blaring, but Chinese girls don’t have a clue how to dance. Maybe they were all high on XTC. Anyway, the disco was good fun.
After my Little Pepper shared a couple of dozen oysters with Reader123, she was even hornier than before. An amazing round of sweaty, animal sex ensued...
When we woke up early afternoon, Xiao La Jiao cuddled up to me and initiated an equally wonderful 3rd round. After that, she decided it was time for me to learn some Mandarin. She wrote down some words, had me memorize them and then quizzed me. God help me if I got one wrong. :)
My Little Pepper comes highly recommended!
Loso
Hey Loso,
You know I don't speak any Mandarin either, but I was still able to use my HP with some positive effect. Nokia has this great free CHinese-English dictionary for some of their symbian phones. I was able to communicate with SMS with some girls as you can cut paste from the dictionary to your SMS text editor. Further you can do the same with incoming text. I was pretty impressed that some of these girls had figured out this solution independently.
You can get this software off a number of Nokia websites.
It also proved to be useful in the field communicating with taxi drivers. I was also able to tell the mamasans to bring me the horniest girl by showing them the modern chinese text for the word on my HP.
This is a great free application.
[QUOTE=Loso69]Crazier,
I fucked 177 different girls in 10 countries last year and licked the pussy of every girl that would let me (and was clean). No problem whatsoever! :)
Loso[/QUOTE]
Good for you.
May the statistics continue to work in your favour.
I know someone who inspects at length (incl smelling them) all pussies before deciding if he should eat or go BB etc. In some places, I understand he brings a mini touchlight!
Have often wondered aloud with him how he could see everything including the viruses.
He said, his inspections for physical signs and smelling just about covers most of the greater risks!
I wonder if that has any scientific background to it.
Another friend based in Pattaya eats all the ladies he can and says that "saliva" is a great "inhibitor" etc etc.
There are also people walking around with the HIV virus (just saw a report on this lady in Africa on CNN) who do not go on to develop AIDS and seem to be living forever! But they are the exception and scientists are studing them so the report says.
My own thoughts are that each of us is built differently and some of us have greater immunities than others.
The fact that Loso has eaten 177 girls in 10 different countries (how many were WLs?) and come out SAFE does not mean that we can all walk that same line - just my opinion.
Anyway, I would close on that subject here because this discussion should belong to a different thread!
best regards and happy "eating"
C.
with beauties like these 2.
Have to try the Yalan BBS next time.
[QUOTE=Loso69][B][COLOR=green][SIZE=5]Xiao Lin[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
Loso[/QUOTE]
BnLee2 already mentioned a way to see the Jia Yi girls before work and without paying for a room in his post:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=550437&postcount=1805[/url]
I can confirm this as I had this catwalk yesterday when checking JiaYi Hotel. So what do you have to do:
- go to the Hotel around 5pm/5:30pm
- take a seat in the small coffee bar next to the entrance to the hotel
- or, just position yourself near the hotel entrance or around the street corner
What will you see (and what did I see):
- girls, girls, girls.
- I think I saw at least 200 walking out to surrounding small restaurants having there dinner
- mostly young faces
- some real cute girls (from my POV)
After what I could see, BnLee2s experience (see his report) with the information that the girls maybe have some troubles when a customer complains about bad service - which hopefully includes her "service" outside the KTV in the hotel room - I am thinking now, to give them a try next time to see, if they are really their "service fee" worth. Who knows.
Time for an ISG meeting at JiaYi? Drop a PM or SMS.
LW
Attached you will find the updated Google Earth file with locations in CP
Updates:
- location of PP KTV corrected
- Lucky Hotel added
- some typos corrected
Please feel free to find mistakes and send corrections via PM. I will keep this file up-dated and you can the latest one when searching for "CP-Locations-ISG-Google" in this sub-forum.
I hope this file will support some of you during your time in CP.
CP-Location-ISG-Google v2, 20070119
LW
He said, his inspections for physical signs and smelling just about covers most of the greater risks!
You cannot smell HIV but HIV is seldom transmitted by oral sex
Last night I found a beautiful eighteen year old white tiger from Chongqing, fresh of the mountain farm. A very rare species! Wowww!!! Where do these mamas find them? They must be raiding farmer Wang's chicken coop.
Her skills were not very good, but she was affectionate and fun, and I was ecstatic when I discovered she was a natural.
Pity Dr Ace Gallant wasn't here to do an examination and comfirm.
Listen you king of CP. Get yourself a camera phone already and post some of their pics or at least e-mail them to me (hehehehe).
Bill
[QUOTE=Santa]Last night I found a beautiful eighteen year old white tiger from Chongqing, fresh of the mountain farm. A very rare species! Wowww!!! Where do these mamas find them? They must be raiding farmer Wang's chicken coop.
Her skills were not very good, but she was affectionate and fun, and I was ecstatic when I discovered she was a natural.
Pity Dr Ace Gallant wasn't here to do an examination and comfirm.[/QUOTE]
Chang Ping,
I’ve been home for over a month already. You were the guy who got my girl drunk playing Liar’s Dice in the disco, right?
Maybe you better edit your posts and erase the other half of NY’s name as well. He may not appreciate seeing his name on the board.
Jackson,
You must read everything that’s posted on this board to weed out posts like that. :)
Loso
[b][color=green][size=5]Pao Be[/size][/color][/b]
After having lunch at McDonald’s, I took my usual stroll to the Hui Mei area to find some afternoon company. Pao Be was just the ticket.
She had a great figure when dressed and turned out to be really skinny when she took her clothes off. She must have overdosed on those miracle Chinese slimming pills.
Pao Be gave a good BBBJ and got really wet as I sucked on her tiny clit. Nevertheless, she really hurt as I fucked her equally tiny pussy...
[b][color=green][size=5]Prince Karaoke[/size][/color][/b]
When I texted Reader123 and asked what his plans were, he replied: “KTV tonight”. There were 3 of us in our party: Reader123, a regular visitor at the Prince Karaoke who I’ll refer to as Q and yours truly.
Once we were settled into our room, the mamasans took their turn to present us their collection. We went through about 20 line-ups, each consisting of about 10 girls. At an upscale KTV joint, I expected the girls to be a cut above the BBS girls. Apart from the fancy evening gowns, there was absolutely no evidence of that.
My partners in crime weren’t exactly impressed with the selection either. I did see one girl I really liked, but since neither of the other guys had picked a girl yet, I wasn’t ready to commit either.
When we’d gone through all the line-ups... they started all over again. I enquired about the girl I liked, but she was no longer available. In the end, I picked a girl (Sofia)... and then picked a second one (Xiao Yuen).
Reader123 finally picked a cutie as well. Q didn’t see anyone he particularly liked and ended up calling one of his regulars to come and join him.
Xiao Yuen was definitely the more affectionate of the 2 girls. We were cuddling, she gave me a few kisses... Sofia was on her best behavior during the 15 minute grace period, but turned stone cold after that. She wouldn’t even let me kiss her on the cheek.
After suffering an evening of lousy singing & mediocre food, I asked Xiao Yuen if she wanted to go with me. She couldn’t... because her period was about to start. Sofia... simply shook her head.
At the start of the evening, I’d asked my Chinese friends if a KTV girl was likely to refuse sleeping with a customer. It may hardly ever happen if you’re Chinese, but it happened to this laowai... twice.
The room charge and tips cost each of us 400 RMB. The sitting fee for my 2 girls came to another 400 RMB. I paid our host Q, threw the girls' money on the table and walked out. My KTV experience set me back 800 RMB... for nothing.
BTW, Reader123 took his girl home, but sent her packing after 1 round. No GFE.
[b][color=green][size=5]A Lin[/size][/color][/b]
Reader123 was nice enough to accompany me to the Night Market, where you can still find company late at night. I wasn’t expecting much, and the girls did seem to be a sorry bunch. But out of nowhere, a real beauty suddenly appeared. I’d have picked her in a flash if I’d seen A Lin at the KTV! And she was only 400 RMB LT. Deal!
My experience with A Lin was similar to Pao Be earlier that day. She was a sweet girl. She gave me a good BBBJ. She showed me her swollen pussy when we finished fucking. Ouch!
Even though we went to sleep late, A Lin woke me up at 7.30 AM, all dressed up and ready to go. I fully understood she didn’t wanna fuck again, but that was no reason to do a runner on me. I told her to get back in bed, turned around and went back to sleep. She joined me... and gave me another BBBJ when I woke up. :)
Loso
Loso: A-Lin is a bargain at 400 yuan all night with numerous bbbj. More pics of A-Lin will be nice.
I am always too shy to keep the LT girl when they make the ultra early morning run away. I have to learn from you, just pull them back to bed next time.
[QUOTE=RCA Knight]Loso: A-Lin is a bargain at 400 yuan all night with numerous bbbj. More pics of A-Lin will be nice.
I am always too shy to keep the LT girl when they make the ultra early morning run away. I have to learn from you, just pull them back to bed next time.[/QUOTE]
RCA, Loso,
A slight correction just to make sure others do not misunderstand and overpay.
150 for ST and 400 for LT is standard price if you take the girls from the Night Market. It is not a bargain.
I had taken girls from there a couple of times and the price had always been that. However, as usual the mamas there are smart, I recalled the multiple times in which I was there with either my White American friends (Including Santa) they will very quick to ask for 500 for LT. Even Bill Lee, a non-Mandarin speaking ABC, was not spared.
Now what I understand from the fact why the girls here are priced lower is mainly because most of them are KTV rejects. They either used to work in KTV before and got themselve fired because of complains from their clients due to Bad Attitude or Bad service, or their rate of been picked by KTV goers are slim due to their looks or body.
I understand why it is always good to get a good bargain on price but if we do look at it at another angle, what's a 100RMB difference to us? US$12? But to them, 100RMB means a lot! Sometimes we pay a little more but still get bad service; I would tell myself, Oh well.... fuck it! take the money and fuck off! But sometimes, when facing bad attitudes from the girls, I will not even pay extra 5 RMB for Taxi money!
For those who are bargain hunters, here some tips applicable for the Night Market:
1) When negotiating with the mamas always used the phase: "But I just took a girl from here last night for 400! Why 500 now?"
2) Hunt in a group, you have better negotiation power than when you hunt alone. Because the mama will know if she do not agree on the price the rest of the group will take the walk to the next stall.
3) Make your choice quickly, if you don;t see what you like, move on. Sometimes you may sit on the edge about one girl and the mama know how to take advantage that you like the girls and therefore will not move on the price. They are very fast to spot your hesitiation expression on your face.
Enjoy!
AG
RCA & AG,
Reader123 negotiated the price for me at the Night Market. He’s ethnic Chinese.
I didn’t visit the Night Market because it was cheap. I didn’t even know the prices in advance. The BBS close at midnight. After midnight, the Night Market is your best bet (I was told).
More pictures of A-Lin attached.
Loso
[b][color=green][size=5]Wen Wen[/size][/color][/b]
The next afternoon, Reader123 and I visited the Swan Lake Hotel, where 5-6 hotel rooms feature girls in elegant evening dresses. The place looks a little more upscale than the nearby Yalan BBS, but prices are the same (2-5). The girls did seem more stuck-up, though...
My favorite in the first BBS we visited... turned me down. Second BBS... same story. After checking out the other rooms, my eyes focused on Wen Wen. She was game to accompany the laowai...
When Reader123 found suitable company as well, the four of us headed for a nearby restaurant to have lunch. Reader123 prefers to get to know the girls before he fucks them. :) He believes inviting them to lunch/dinner will lead to a better GFE. It may be less useful if you can’t actually communicate with the girl, but it makes perfect sense.
Anyway, we spent a long time in the restaurant and Wen Wen was doing most of the talking. While she seemed to have all the time in the world in the restaurant, she was in a real hurry once we got to my room. She even had to put her clothes back on for the photo shoot...
That wasn’t a good sign, but I still got a pretty good performance out of her, even though the service was somewhat mechanical. She was OK with kissing, but wouldn’t agree to DFK. She was happy to let me nibble her neck and suck on her amazing rock hard tits, but wouldn’t let me eat her pussy. She gave a good BBBJ and got really wet as I drilled her pussy, but didn’t exhibit any real passion.
I’d paid the usual 100 RMB deposit to her mamasan and gave Wen Wen another 150 RMB, which included a 50 RMB tip. When she insisted on being paid 300 RMB, I called Reader123’s room to confirm the prices. She argued (with him) that she wanted more money because she’d spent so much time with me (almost 3 hours). On Reader123’s advice, I gave her another 50 RMB and escorted her to the door. She still wasn’t a happy camper and was on the phone to her mamasan straight away. I simply closed the door on her...
[b][color=green][size=5]Wei Wei[/size][/color][/b]
After sending Wen Wen packing, I obviously wanted another girl. Reader123 wasn’t sure whether to keep his girl or not, but left her in his room and joined me for the hunt.
Wei Wei wasn’t the hottest looking girl, but came highly recommended by her mamasan. She started kissing me and grabbed my dick to see if I was hard. She had a smile on her face and a twinkle in her eye as she said: “Ta” (big).
After a long photo shoot, we undressed each other. As soon as she’d taken my undies off, Wei Wei got down on her knees and started sucking my dick. She was the first (and only) Chinese girl to give me a BBBJ without thoroughly washing my dick first.
As I was eating her pussy, she was biting the pillow and squeezing her own tits. Suddenly, she jumped up and ran off to the bathroom. :)
When I joined her in the shower, she washed my dick and then started blowing me again. When she alternated rinsing and sucking my dick, it felt amazing. When we finally moved to the bed, she immediately got back to where she left off... with my dick in her mouth. Wei Wei clearly wanted a taste of laowai come... and eventually got what she wanted. :) After eating her pussy got her nice and wet again, we fucked each other’s brains out. What a gal!
Reader123 finally decided against switching girls and we treated our honeys to a lavish seafood dinner. After that, we were off to the Xin Dong Tai Disco.
Wei Wei was tired after shaking her butt in the disco, and promptly fell asleep after showering. I let her rest for a while, and then woke her up gently... by eating her pussy again. Another round of heavenly sex ensued.
We finally went to sleep at 6AM and woke up around 2PM. Wei Wei was late for work already...
Loso
[QUOTE=Loso69]Crazier,
I fucked 177 different girls in 10 countries last year and licked the pussy of every girl that would let me (and was clean). No problem whatsoever! :) It gets them in the mood, and will very likely lead to great sex.
I still don't speak a word of Chinese. Phones are useless to me!
Loso[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Loso69]Neuromancer,
I was accompanied by mongers who did speak Chinese…
Ace Gallant,
We did meet in CP. You’ll even get a mention in my report. :)
If it leads to better sex, I’ll take my chances...
BTW, are you suggesting that Chinese mongers don't cover up?
Loso[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Loso69]
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RCA Knight,
My last soapie girl in Thailand fucked me bareback and insisted I come inside her. Afterwards, she told me she wanted to know what it would feel like. As a disclaimer, I have to say that I speak perfect Thai.
--cut--
[/QUOTE]
I just want to reiterate to PRACTICE SAFE SEX. I posted this in 2005. There was a German guy that visted Thailand a few years ago and got AIDS because he went bareback. Well after finding out he got AIDS, he didn't care about anything. He then started to pay extra to have unprotected sex knowing he had AIDS. He wanted every girl, to get AIDS. It is estimate he had sex with over 500 girls. Several of them currently has AIDS or some kind of STD. These poor farm girls will not stop having sex if they know they got a STD or AIDS. And for sure they are not going to tell you. If a girl told you she has Genital Herpes or AIDS, will you still have sex with her? They will continue to have sex because they need the money and to send money back home. These poor uneducated farm girls have a very limited knowledge of STD. If you don't get a STD, then some kind of other disease like Hepatitis which is very common in 3rd world countries. I think the German guy is currently in jail or dead, not sure.
Next, those new to ISG or WSGForum called before, should read and see CRONIN's postings. There were grossed out close up pictures of a pussy in 2004 01-24-04. I tried looking ( search ) for these pictures but I only found the link ( post ) no attachment of pictures. There are cases of mongers catching STD and a few getting something from DATY in the "Safe Sex" thread. Now a women's vaginal fluid can maintain the HIV virus,
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/archive/index.php/t-1084-p-2.html[/url]
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=268[/url]
Cronin's pictures should scare anybody. It's some kind of STD of an inflamed redish pussy with bad warts or sores everywhere. Please be responsible and considerate to other mongers. I could see it now, some girl asking for child support or you getting STD.
Other than my opinion of practicing safe sex, I Do like your reports and pictures.
Sorry for preaching and my poor writing skills.......
Weelock,
I eat their pussies. I love BBBJs. I adore French kissing. And that’s never gonna change.
But I do cover up for sex! Cases where the girl insists on BB sex (which I usually can’t resist) are pretty rare.
BTW, every monger should get vaccinated against hepatitis A and B!
Loso
[QUOTE=Loso69]Weelock,
I eat their pussies. I love BBBJs. I adore French kissing. And that’s never gonna change.
But I do cover up for sex! Cases where the girl insists on BB sex (which I usually can’t resist) are pretty rare.
BTW, every monger should get vaccinated against hepatitis A and B!
Loso[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Loso69]Crazier,
I fucked 177 different girls in 10 countries last year and licked the pussy of every girl that would let me (and was clean). No problem whatsoever! :) It gets them in the mood, and will very likely lead to great sex.
I still don't speak a word of Chinese. Phones are useless to me!
Loso[/QUOTE]
Great, you do wear a rain coat. I got the impression that you don't sometime. From one post about Thailand you didn't. Hopefully, you didn't catch anything in 10 countries and will NOT catch anything in the future.
You must be rich to travel and to stay in 10 countries for a middle age guy. Then I wonder why I read you said the KTV's were bloody expensive and trying to get the best deals. Now, I'm poor, cheap and a frugal bastard. Like most of the time, I will take a bus or motor cabbie while other take a taxi or private car. I try to save money here and there and sadly it has gotten me in trouble a few times.
Sorry for preaching and my poor writing skills.
PS. A women's vaginal fluid can maintain the HIV virus.
Weelock,
I don’t make nearly as much money as people who read my reports think I do. I just happen to spend it all on hoes.
Like you, I’m cheap when it comes to transportation. It’s a great way to economize without jeopardizing the quality of the mongering experience.
KTVs are bloody expensive, compared to the other available options. My thoughts on KTV will be part of the conclusions on Changping.
Loso
[B][COLOR=green][SIZE=5]Fong Fong[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
The next afternoon, Reader123 and I headed for the Hui Mei BBS looking for some ST action. At the first BBS we visited, I was surprised when the mamasan offered the most beautiful girl in the house... to the laowai. :) I didn’t have to think twice.
Reader123 picked up a beauty at the Jia Mei Hotel and we walked to Happy Together to have lunch. Unlike yesterday, neither girl wanted to have anything to eat or drink. Unlike yesterday, the girls weren’t talkative at all. As Reader123 and I were chatting, I expected the girls to talk to each other, but they never exchanged a word. Weird!
Fong Fong wouldn’t let me suck on her magnificent hooters at first – I did anyway. She wouldn’t let me eat her pussy – I did anyway. She wouldn’t kiss – we ended up kissing anyway. She wouldn’t suck my dick – she gave me a great BBBJ anyway.
Fong Fong had the model look, and the prima donna attitude that goes with it. Having to insist on every little thing was tiresome, but yielded dividends. In the end, Fong Fong was a pretty good fuck.
[B][COLOR=green][SIZE=5]Xie Min[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
In the evening, Reader123 and I checked out the Yalan area, looking for overnight company. I picked a Japanese-looking cutie that was on my to-do list. Reader123 was sandwiched between 2 girls and undecided about who to pick.
As Reader123 was pondering his options, guess who walked in? Ace Gallant and HoseGuy had just stepped off the plane. Ace Gallant looked the part of the Chinese playboy I’d imagined him to be and put a deposit down for a genuine pair of twins. HoseGuy found a girl to keep his bed warm as well. Reader123 finally...made up his mind. :)
We all headed back to the Miraton Hotel and had dinner at the Chinese restaurant. As Reader123’s girl wasn’t a very good dinner companion, he realized that he’d picked the wrong girl and talked about switching girls later. More about that in the next episode. :)
Anyway, Xie Min was really affectionate at the BBS, which was part of the reason she got the gig. She continued to be a total sweetie when we hit my room, as we spent our time dancing, cuddling and kissing.
Her BBBJ was rather shallow, but the sweet kisses as we were fucking made up for that. Even though she hurt in the end, Xie Min was a total GFE.
As we didn’t go to sleep all that late, we woke up relatively early. After more sweet love, Xie Min was hungry. We made it to the breakfast buffet just in time. It was the one and only occasion on this whole trip that I took advantage of the complimentary breakfast... for two. :)
BTW, when I got my laptop out to burn Xie Min a CD with her pictures, she logged onto a Chinese QQQ (chat) site and showed me her pictures.
Loso
[QUOTE=Loso69]Weelock,
I don’t make nearly as much money as people who read my reports think I do. I just happen to spend it all on hoes.
Like you, I’m cheap when it comes to transportation. It’s a great way to economize without jeopardizing the quality of the mongering experience.
KTVs are bloody expensive, compared to the other available options. My thoughts on KTV will be part of the conclusions on Changping.
Loso[/QUOTE]
Actually transportation, ( taxis, buses ) and food is relatively cheap in China but everything adds up. To me, I find, Shenzhen and HK are expensive for taxis. Main reason I travel alone most of the time. Taxis are not economical for one person. I don’t know about Northern China but I believe it’s about the same for big cities.
The most expensive part is the airfare from the USA. It is about $900-1200USD. After airfare, it's staying at a Western Standard hotels. It will cost about $300-500RMB for a 3-4 star hotel. That’s about 9000 to 15000RMB a month. Depending on the city and time, it can be even higher. Then the money spend on the girls and other misc expense. If you add everything, I estimate it’s about 4500 to 6000USD for a month’s vacation in China. Now you’re gone for one year. I wonder what’s the total for 1 year’s expense to 10 different places. Yes, this is all cheap compared to mongering in developed Western Country like the USA or Western Europe but it's still hard for most people and me to afford A 1 YEAR VACATION.
Chang Ping,
I will be in CP on the 24th. Subscribe to the fourm and PM me your digits so we cann hook-up.
OAH
[QUOTE=Chang Ping]Friend of Ace Gallant here. I was wondering if anyone wld be around next week 22nd - 26th and would like to get together to party?
Hey LOSO69,
Good to see you still in action and enjoy your contris. We partied last time together with the New Yorker.
Newbie non-subscriber so not sure if there is anyway to make contact via other means
Cheers
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Hi,
Do you mean that a sophisticated world traveler such as yourself can't afford a $13 subscription to support this forum and all the work I do to keep it maintained?
Come on dude, a forum subscription is less than the price of a newspaper once a week.
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]Chang Ping,
I will be in CP on the 24th. Subscribe to the fourm and PM me your digits so we cann hook-up.
OAH[/QUOTE]
to OAH
I just spend 2 days in CP I am in shenzhen right now will head to Gulin tomorrow for some fun never been there , all the mamasan miss you have not seen you for over a week , I found most of the mommie have move to swan lake hotel ktv just 5 min walk from yalan , about 4 group of about 8 girl there are many HK monger on saturday and they are trying to charge 250 rmb for st and find a nice hubei girl settle for 200 st .
I will try to contact you if I have some time and go back to cp next week before I fly back to the US.
fast eddie 48
Weelock,
I never said I took a year off. I usually work 6 months a year and spend most of the other 6 months traveling and mongering.
Last year, I spent:
- 4 days in Warsaw over Easter.
- 1 week in Bangkok, 1 night in Kota Kinabalu and 3 weeks in AC in April/May.
- 2 nights in Prague and 9 nights in Odessa in July.
- 3 nights in Abu Dhabi and over a month in the PI in August/September.
- 2 weeks in Cuba in September/October.
- 2 weeks in the DR in October.
- 4 weeks in China in November/December.
Loso
[QUOTE=Loso69]Weelock,
I never said I took a year off. I usually work 6 months a year and spend most of the other 6 months traveling and mongering.
Last year, I spent:
- 4 days in Warsaw over Easter.
- 1 week in Bangkok, 1 night in Kota Kinabalu and 3 weeks in AC in April/May.
- 2 nights in Prague and 9 nights in Odessa in July.
- 3 nights in Abu Dhabi and over a month in the PI in August/September.
- 2 weeks in Cuba in September/October.
- 2 weeks in the DR in October.
- 4 weeks in China in November/December.
Loso[/QUOTE]
Sorry...about the 1 year. I thought you were semi-retired like some members I know on ISG. I would love to join you in just half these places.
What's AC and DR? I thought you went to Rio also sometime last year.
[QUOTE=Weelock] I can't afford it.
What's AC and DR? I thought you went to Rio also sometime last year.[/QUOTE]
AC= Angeles City, Philippine (as I doubt he meant Atlantic City, New Jersey)
DR= Dominican Republic
And man, I wish I could monger 6 months a year.
PT
Can someone enlighten me as to where this Night market that's been mentioned by LOSO and others is?
Is it the walking street full of clothing stores? I was there back in Dec but did not see any action. May be I was paying attention.
Diver
It's that side street along the main road going to Yalan from Miraton. It's opposite what I believe is a hospital on the right side. At night, the hospital sign has an orange like glow to them.
No. I don't believe there any clothing stores on that street.
There are about 5 to 8 shops each with about 5 to 10 working gals there. They are priced at 150RMB for take out. The Li Hua hotel is located directly across from the shops. The Li Hua Hotel is the red star on the left on the map.
According to the Li Hua Hotel biz card, Yalan would be on the right bottom corner and the road on the left side is where you would be coming from the Miraton.
AG took us there one night and we saw about 25 working girls. They were both inside the store front shops and outside their shops.
Bill
[QUOTE=Diver69]Can someone enlighten me as to where this Night market that's been mentioned by LOSO and others is?
Is it the walking street full of clothing stores? I was there back in Dec but did not see any action. May be I was paying attention.
Diver[/QUOTE]
Diver69,
Business card and map for the Li Hua Hotel (Night Market) have been attached.
Weelock,
My last vsist to Rio was in 2005. I'll be back this year...
Loso
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]It's that side street along the main road going to Yalan from Miraton. It's opposite what I believe is a hospital on the right side. At night, the hospital sign has an orange like glow to them.
No. I don't believe there any clothing stores on that street.
There are about 5 to 8 shops each with about 5 to 10 working gals there. They are priced at 150RMB for take out. The Li Hua hotel is located directly across from the shops. The Li Hua Hotel is the red star on the left on the map.
According to the Li Hua Hotel biz card, Yalan would be on the right bottom corner and the road on the left side is where you would be coming from the Miraton.
AC took us there one night and we saw about 25 working girls. They were both inside the store front shops and outside their shops.
Bill[/QUOTE]
The main road Dong Xing Lu connects to Swan Lake Road, Tian Er Hu Lu, same road going to Yalan Hotel about 200m before reaching Yalan if you are coming from Downtown ChangPing. The night market is on Dong Xing Er Lu, a side street across the road from ChangPing Hospital. What you see in Loso's map is a bit smaller than the actual. They are walking distance but the Train station is not that near as indicated on the map.
I was told that most of the girl working there were KTV or Sauna rejects or had not reached the KTV / Saunas standards to be working in there. So the standard price is 150 ST, 400 LT
On an average night which starts at around 9pm, you can get up to 40 - 50 girls. Don't go there too early or too late because the girls are quickly taken up. I was there the first time at around 11pm there were about 30 girls. but the second time; only about 10. The last time I was there at 10pm there were only 5. The girls normally starts coming out of their living quaters at around 9pm and you can see some of them sitting around the low knee high table outside the shops eating some kind of hot pot. Bascially it is a local residential area. The shops on both sides are food stalls, convient stores, Long distance phone shop. Li Hua Hotel is a cheap alternative for a quickie @ 108 per night and 60 for 4 hours.
Enjoy!
AG
BTW: Bill; who's AC? Someone I should meet in my next trip there this weekend?
[B][COLOR=green][SIZE=5]A Ping[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
After waving Xie Min goodbye, it was still too early to head for the BBS, so I went back to sleep. When I woke up, it was 4PM already. Holy shit!
I walked over to the Jia Mei Hotel, where Reader123 had picked up a real beauty the previous day. But she was nowhere to be seen and the selection wasn’t that great. I finally picked a cutie that seemed enthusiastic about fucking a laowai.
A Ping wasn’t into taking pictures, but apart from that, the service was great. She gave me a cat bath & a great BBBJ, and pumped my dick long and hard. As I was drilling her like a machine gun with her tongue down my throat, I couldn’t hold my juices any longer.
[B][COLOR=green][SIZE=5]Yuen Yuen[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
When I went to Yalan, I bumped into Yuen Yuen in the hotel lobby. She was a real cutie-pie with the most enchanting smile. Simply irresistible! I took her home straight away.
The photo shoot with Yuen Yuen was great fun, as she graced every picture with that amazing smile while striking some imaginative poses.
We started fooling around before we hit the shower, getting both of us in the mood. Yuen Yuen’s natural beauty and sweet disposition made me horny as hell. Fucking her felt amazing, but it still took an awful long time before I came. Yuen Yuen’s tiny pussy took a real pounding before I finally released my swimmers.
After a romantic dinner at Happy Together, I wanted to get together with Reader123 and head for the disco. But...
Yuen Yuen was one of two girls who had been sitting with Reader123 the previous night... the one he didn’t take. He talked about switching girls at dinner, but I didn’t think he’d actually go through with it. He did! :eek:
When we met up in the hotel lobby, Yuen Yuen was reunited with yesterday’s customer. :) It must have been a little awkward for her, but she was a good sport.
At Xinde Disco, Yuen Yuen started playing Liar’s Dice with Chang Ping. Stubbornly opening with ‘3 ones’ got her drunk. When we got back to my room, she simply collapsed on my bed. I helped her undress and cuddled up to her...
When we woke up early afternoon, Yuen Yuen didn’t really want to fuck. I knew she hurt the previous night, though she never complained. She ended up sucking my dick non-stop for over half an hour until she got her protein shake. And she swallowed it! :)
Loso
Just signed up and by the time I'm activated to send PM OAH would already have arrived at CP. If someone who knows him can be kind enough to call him to check his pm or pm me his contact number...would appreciate it.
OK here is the FR
Live report from CP.
Arrived yesterday afternoon and put in a call to one of the bros here who have been partying since last Fri, golfing ostensibly :-) Well surely the 19th hole was very popular.
Anyway they were busy with their massage and I needed to get my fix as I've been counting down the days for this.
After settling down in my usual hotel (nice to be greeted by friendly faces who recognise you). I walked down to New Century wanting to scratch off one of my to do lists - 1 + 1 teacher/trainer. Unfortunately all of been taken up but all is not lost ....at 3pm I know that Yalan is only beginning to stir with activity :-)
So I merrily hopped on a breadvan and headed to Yalan. First stop is the joint above the restaurant that was across from Yalan hotel. Mummy who escorted me up there was ever so pushy and I get the distinct feeling she was pushing the less attractive girls at me. On reflection I think this to be accurate...afterall the attractive ones would get taken up later in the day without much touting.
So not finding any to my liking I took my leave and walked out onto the street to scout for other gems. Went to a previous joint but discovered they had moved...oh no :-( This was where my friend and I picked up a wonderful coco lee lookalike and her shuang fei fuck buddy. I really mean that as in fuck buddy because they would literally eat each other out and DFK which is rare as hell. So things were started to get a little less positive than I had hoped BUT all that was soon to chage. To cut a long story short. I picked the quietest girl of the lot and she turned out to be a real gem. Well I soon learned that the reason why she was quiet was because she only arrived yesterday and had 1 HKG client last night and with whom she did not stay with for LT. I took this slow and treated her like a GF and that worked wonders. It was also pleasant to see that she at least had shaved armpits so all was not lost in the grooming dept. Sooo we soaped and showered each other and ended up in bed with lots of DFK and fingering. She was also very open to doing BBBJ and was willing to learn so that was good. Personally the positiveness of my experience can be measured by the positive experience of the meis meis with me. The chemistry was indeed good and I was rewarded with a very very wet bedsheet courtesy of her juices hehehe
Sooo with that afternoon touchdown fuck dispensed with, metup with the group for dinner (including bro Spoon fork and others whose names shall not disclose) and we proceeded to Hui Hua KTV for part two. Oh that turned out to be good too and with video footage hahahaa
To be continued.
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[QUOTE=Chang Ping]Just signed up and by the time I'm activated to send PM OAH would already have arrived at CP. If someone who knows him can be kind enough to call him to check his pm or pm me his contact number...would appreciate it.
So not finding any to my liking I took my leave and walked out onto the street to scout for other gems. Went to a previous joint but discovered they had moved...oh no :-( This was where my friend and I picked up a wonderful coco lee lookalike and her shuang fei fuck buddy. I really mean that as in fuck buddy because they would literally eat each other out and DFK which is rare as hell. So things were started to get a little less positive than I had hoped BUT all that was soon to chage. To cut a long story short. I picked the quietest girl of the lot and she turned out to be a real gem. Well I soon learned that the reason why she was quiet was because she only arrived yesterday and had 1 HKG client last night and with whom she did not stay with for LT. I took this slow and treated her like a GF and that worked wonders. It was also pleasant to see that she at least had shaved armpits so all was not lost in the grooming dept. Sooo we soaped and showered each other and ended up in bed with lots of DFK and fingering. She was also very open to doing BBBJ and was willing to learn so that was good. Personally the positiveness of my experience can be measured by the positive experience of the meis meis with me. The chemistry was indeed good and I was rewarded with a very very wet bedsheet courtesy of her juices hehehe
[/QUOTE]
Chang Ping,
I had sent OAH your contact number. I believe he will contact you when he gets in.
The BBS that had moved; The Big BBS behind Yalan is closed sometimes to deflect the raid that had been going on. They had been raided a month back, some of the mama like Lily, Sandy had moved their girl to the BBS above the Medical shop at the corner of Dong Xing Lu and Yalan Lu just by the Yalan Hotel. Walk toward the cross junctions you will be greeted by those mama sitting outside the Medical Store, they will than bring you up. If you don't see any of them, like that the supply there is exhausted for the day.
The BBS on the other side of Dong Xing Lu, Perpendicular to Yalan Lu (Yalan Hotel)… the one the mama Baby was and where your friend took out the Coco lee looks alike, has move too. Some of you may have know this BBS as the BBS with a Papasan (whom is the half owner). It has moved to the KTV on the second floor of the building across the road from Yalan.
All of these BBS are downsizing.
Enjoy!
AG
BTW: Ace will be in CP this Sat.
Cont from last post...
Hui Hua KTV, Mon night Jan 22. Picked up a girl who reminded very much of a friends ex-girlfriend. She was very playful and things were off to a good start when she started to DFK me in the room. Well the usual activities happened that evening so I wont go into boring details except to say that I had to retire early as I had been up since 4am that day. Once back in the room, I set up my equipment before the action started and it proved to be a good addition to my collection of trysts. She was really into screwing and we had three rounds that night as and when my dick started to get hard and throb behind her while spooning :-)
Anyway, come morning, had breakfast with Mei Mei and bade goodbye.
As the rest of the group were leaving town. I decided to do my shopping first before heading to Yalan at about 2/3pm. Gave CO and KLKOOL a call to get lobangs (literally haha) on Yalan and found the much raved surprises "Behind the Green Door" Having said that though...the pickings were kinda slim and the first bird didnt do BBBJ so after a much wasted trip back to my room and sent her packing and went back to select another gal who turned out to be quite a gem. Fair, big tits, blew me to kingdom come BUT no DFG only pecks on cheek. Interesting fact though...she works at Jiayi in the evening. Now this is not just hearsay...we actually went down to Jiayi tother after our session and I subsequently met her inside again at the lineup!!! So dudes this one was a real saver considering the fact that it was a 250 bonk for what you would normally pay 500 for!!!
As I was on my own I paid the big hall fee of 42rmb and made my rounds at Jiayi. Like my pal the ABC from NY...I think the quality has suffered or my standards have gone up but it took me a while to look for a stunner ...after all I came to Jiayi not for service (I would have gone to a BBS if it were just that and cheaper too) . In the end I took a cutey who had a really great disposition and it proved to be a good call. Decided to make her my tour guide/girlfriend for the night and it was really fun. Took to me eat street food, we went to the arcade to play bumper cars, had a facial and basically walked about town in the chilly evening cuddling like lovebirds. I then took her to the LA bar and grill across from Miraton as I heard that it was quite interesting and never tried it before. Really nice deco and band but it was an expensive joint. A set dinner set me back close to 300rmb! BUT thank goodness it was enough to feed the two of us so we didnt waste money ordering two set dinners instead.
Well now that she was well fed. It was time to feed me. quickly got the bill and went back to my room. Soon as we entered she was all over me and we never got to make it to the bathroom to shower (which was the SOP). I didnt mind too much as her hair smelled really nice which indicated she had showered only recently. It was crazy monkey sex from there and throughout the night she would never let me go without skin/body contact. Took me a look time to come and I was exhausted so I only managed 2 but very long rounds before morning.
Today is yet another day of adventure. I still havent tried the 1+1 and the BBS behind Hui Mei. I'm perplexed as my dick is really getting tired man !
Dont want to bore you folks with my FR. Let me know if you would like me to continue ya.
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[b][color=green][size=5]Yetsatu[/size][/color][/b]
As I was taking a stroll down the Hui Mei BBS area, Reader123 and HoseGuy were just off with their catch. I was still interested in the hottie from the Jia Mei Hotel and Reader123 told the mamasan who I was looking for. She made a few phone calls...
The girl who eventually turned up wasn’t the one I had in mind. But she was damn hot! Let’s go, baby!
Yetsatu seemed an ice queen at first, but the great suction power when she gave me a BBBJ made me feel all warm inside. She rode my dick until I wanted to take over and ravish her. When she finally succumbed to DFK, I filled up the condom.
[b][color=green][size=5]Tin Tin[/size][/color][/b]
I guess you know the drill by now. But tonight, I tried to be a little more ambitious in Yalan. I’d met a girl I fancied taking LT, but still checked out some other places. As soon as I spotted Tin Tin, I knew I simply had to have her...
Even though I couldn’t take my eyes off her, she never even seemed to notice I was there. Her mamasan was throwing all kinds of other girls in my lap. But she finally caught on... and introduced me to Tin Tin. I figured this tiny little angel might not fancy fucking the tall white ghost, but she went without a hitch.
Once we got to my hotel, Tin Tin seemed to be really shy. She was the only Chinese girl to take her clothes off while wearing a towel. When I finally laid eyes on the splendor of her tiny little body in the bathroom, I invited her to step onto the scales. 38 kg of femininity.
When she resisted my eating her pussy, I laid back and let Tin Tin go to work. When she wrapped her tiny lips around my dick and sucked it with a passion, I was in heaven. Fucking her ultra-tight pussy was sheer magic, especially as she really got into the DFK.
After this surreal sexual experience, I hated to see Tin Tin leave. :( But I figured she might be a starfish and had arranged for another girl to come and see me later...
[b][color=green][size=5]Xiao Min[/size][/color][/b]
With the help of Reader123, I’d arranged for Xiao Min to come to my room at 10.30PM. She was only a couple of minutes late. Xiao Min was a bundle of passion and wanted to cut to the chase right away. But I’d just busted a nut and my stomach was grumbling.
I joined Reader123, HoseGuy and their respective dates in Harper’s, an upscale place with Filipina singers. Xiao Min didn’t seem to appreciate Western music, as she was plugging her ears. I tend to have the same reaction when I hear Chinese music. :)
As the girls got talking, it transpired that Xiao Min used to work in Shenzhen, but had to leave town after an incident with a customer. Two out of the three girls also turned out to be jailbirds. Would that be the national average among working girls in China? :)
As we walked past a bakery on the way home, I couldn’t resist indulging in some yummy dessert. I had something else in mind as Xiao Min’s dessert, and was surprised when she refused to suck on my lollipop. Since I arrived in mainland China, I’d gotten a BJ from every one of the 25 girls I’d been with. And apart from the very first girl in Zhuhai, they were all BBBJs. Xiao Min blemished my perfect record.
But she made up for that by being a total freak in bed. Xiao Min exhausted herself by riding my dick like a woman possessed. After eating the breakfast she’d bought at the bakery shop, she got back into bed, spread her legs and called me over using her index finger. There was fire in her eyes as she encouraged me to fuck her as hard as I possibly could. After a marathon fuck, leaving plenty of wet spots on the bed, we were both totally spent and slept like babies...
After a good night’s sleep had replenished her energy levels, this white tiger was ready to devour me again. Yep, Xiao Min is one of a rare species in China... the naturally hairless pussy. ;)
[b][color=green][size=5]Ciao, Reader123[/size][/color][/b]
After spending six days hunting chicks with Reader123, it was time to say goodbye to my trusted wingman. As night owls and prolific punters, we were perfectly compatible and painted the town red for almost a week. Hanging out with you was a blast! :cool:
Thanks for showing me around Changping. Thanks for the translation services. Thanks for being an all-round great guy. May our paths cross again one day.
Loso
Loso,
As someone new to this board, having just returned from China (w/ my wife), I am mesmorized by your great reports and adventures. I look forward to the day, I might venture back to China on my own. I would be ecstatic to have 1/3 the adventures that you relate.
Keep up the great work.
PS -Your choice of women is exquisite.
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]It's that side street along the main road going to Yalan from Miraton. It's opposite what I believe is a hospital on the right side. At night, the hospital sign has an orange like glow to them.
No. I don't believe there any clothing stores on that street.
There are about 5 to 8 shops each with about 5 to 10 working gals there. They are priced at 150RMB for take out. The Li Hua hotel is located directly across from the shops. The Li Hua Hotel is the red star on the left on the map.
According to the Li Hua Hotel biz card, Yalan would be on the right bottom corner and the road on the left side is where you would be coming from the Miraton.
AG took us there one night and we saw about 25 working girls. They were both inside the store front shops and outside their shops.
Bill[/QUOTE]
Thanks Bill and LOSO.
Will have to check it out on my next trip (God knows when that might be - but I hope soon).
Diver
Will go to CP on 2/2. Any monger come to join me is highly expected.
Spend totally say about a week or so.
You forgot to thank AC, eh, I mean AG. He needs that acknowledgment too. heheehehhe
(You're welcome. AG).
Bill
[QUOTE=Diver69]Thanks Bill and LOSO.
Will have to check it out on my next trip (God knows when that might be - but I hope soon).
Diver[/QUOTE]
Great reports! I'm reliving those memories as I read them. It was definitely a week to remember.
Great to hear from you, Reader123. In the next episodes you’ll find out what mischief I was up to after you left, in SZ and CP.
Loso
[B][COLOR=green][SIZE=5]Xiao Min[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
My first catch of the day was from a Hui Mei BBS. Xiao Min loved it when I sucked on her firm B-cup tits, but didn’t like my eating her pussy. She gave a good BBBJ and was a decent fuck, but real passion was sorely lacking.
Xiao Min also hated taking pictures and closed her eyes all the time, so I only got a few more or less decent pictures of her.
[B][COLOR=green][SIZE=5]Xiao Ling[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
Xiao Ling was a true beauty whose face exhibited European features. But she didn’t seem too thrilled about the prospect of fucking a laowai and was the only girl in Changping to refuse having her picture taken.
I walked her straight back to the BBS to find a replacement...
[B][COLOR=green][SIZE=5]Tan Tan[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
Tan Tan was a girl that Reader123 had considered taking, but finally decided against. She was a real cutie with an effervescent smile. She got soaking wet when I ate her pussy, reciprocated by giving me a great BBBJ and was a delight to fuck.
[B][COLOR=green][SIZE=5]Xiao Min[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
In the evening, I headed for Yalan, as usual. My first stop was Tin Tin’s BBS, to give her back the umbrella she forgot in my room. I would have loved for her to spend the night with me, but she wasn’t around.
When the mamasan introduced me to Xiao Min, I found her simply irresistible. A long-legged classic Asian beauty that seemed really affectionate.
After the photo shoot and plenty of passionate kisses, I decided that Xiao Min would be my dessert... after dinner at Happy Together. And I finally remembered to bring my small camera, to take a picture of the swings.
Dinner was great, and my dessert tasted oh so sweet. Xiao Min was a real darling, who gave wonderful head, was totally horny and adored French kissing. My kinda girl!
[B][COLOR=green][SIZE=5]Epilogue[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
Even though I’d had a great time in Changping, I felt it was time to move on. But it wouldn’t be long before I started missing the place...
Loso
Got into town, and the first thing I noticed was that there is a Police van full of Police and they are all wearing Bulletprove vest, waiting outside Lucky Hotel. I wonder which Saunas, BBS, KTV or hotel they are going to Raid tonight.
There will definitely be one tonight because I saw police patrol cars, Police vans full of police going up and down the main streets.
I hate to say this but; I hope it is not due to the reports about Orgies in Chang Ping, put up by members of the SAMMY BOY . COM on that board.
AG
if ag ever got arrested and thrown into the paddy wagon, good-looking sauna girls will tear his clothes into shreds, and proceed to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] his ass until his dick break off... -:)
[quote=ace gallant]got into town, and the first thing i noticed was that there is a police van full of police and they are all wearing bulletprove vest, waiting outside lucky hotel. i wonder which saunas, bbs, ktv or hotel they are going to raid tonight.
there will definitely be one tonight because i saw police patrol cars, police vans full of police going up and down the main streets.
i hate to say this but; i hope it is not due to the reports about orgies in chang ping, put up by members of the sammy boy . com on that board.
ag[/quote]
[quote=one wing low]if ag ever got arrested and thrown into the paddy wagon, good-looking sauna girls will tear his clothes into shreds, and proceed to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] his ass until his dick break off... -:)[/quote]
hahaha.... owl; how on earth will they [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] my "ass" if they only have pussies?...
oh man... i wished that woud happens!... at least i die a happy man with a wide smile in my face! :d
updates:
i called my contacts in cp and he could tell me anything others than; "stay inside your hotel, something big is going down!"
ag
finish off my first round on a "new" girl i picked up from my regular mama baby. xiao mei, been in cp for only 2 weeks and only done 4 customers. 18+ years old and very tight. but... (shit why is there always a "but"?) because she is very new, she is very dry, did not get into the beat of fucking. showed me her "unwilling to fuck" face while i hammered her away. i hate girls with bad service like this, so i bang her hard.
dam! i think it was too hard!... i split the rubbers! i felt a strange feeling on my dick like i didn't have my rubber on, so i pulled it out only to found that the head of my dick protruding out of my rubbers! xiao mei saw it and was terrified! “oh! will i get pregnant? will i get pregnant?” she screamed as she ran to the bathroom and the next thing i heard and saw ; she was washing her pussy with the shower head.
i told her to calm down… i had not ejaculated yet! i wash up too and we continued to finish off with a new condom. but she was again giving me the looks like, “fuck! i’ve been raped here!” i finish off quickly and she check to make sure this condom did not split again. of course not! i applied lube!
paid her and sent her off. 20 mins later, baby called apologizing for her bad behavior (i guess she must had told her what happened). she promised to send me another super great service girl which i agreed but for later in the evening.
let’s see how it goes.
ag
[quote=ace gallant]i told her to calm down… i had not ejaculated yet! i wash up too and we continued to finish off with a new condom. but she was again giving me the looks like, “fuck! i’ve been raped here!” i finish off quickly and she check to make sure this condom did not split again. of course not! i applied lube! [/quote]
hi ag,
i once read something that the pre-cum (the clear, sticky fluid) that emits from penis, when having an erection, has more swimmers in it then the actual load itself. anyone else ever heard this? ag, you might have a new addition to your family this year!
i'm going to try to make it up to cp sunday or monday so, maybe we can meet if your still there.
-sze
[QUOTE=Szexpat]Hi AG,
I once read something that the pre-cum (the clear, sticky fluid) that emits from penis, when having an erection, has more swimmers in it then the actual load itself. Anyone else ever heard this? AG, you might have a new addition to your family this year!
I'm going to try to make it up to CP Sunday or Monday so, maybe we can meet if your still there.
-SZE[/QUOTE]
Yes, I know...precum can also get a girl Pregnant. I'll name the kid "CP"
I am busy Sunday, out playing golf and partying with Friends. Monday is OK.
See you.
Latest Update:
21:00 hrs
There are still Police Vans and Patrol Cars full of Police parked outside Lucky Hotel. Nothing happening yet.
AG
There is a CP that just signed up recently. Is that your kid? j/k
The cops were putting alot of pressure on the Yalan BBSes several weeks ago. I heard some of the new police presence are not local, but from higher up.
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Yes, I know...precum can also get a girl Pregnant. I'll name the kid "CP"
I am busy Sunday, out playing golf and partying with Friends. Monday is OK.
See you.
Latest Update:
21:00 hrs
There are still Police Vans and Patrol Cars full of Police parked outside Lucky Hotel. Nothing happening yet.
AG[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Reader123]There is a CP that just signed up recently. Is that your kid? j/k
The cops were putting alot of pressure on the Yalan BBSes several weeks ago. I heard some of the new police presence are not local, but from higher up.[/QUOTE]
Chang Ping is a guy; a few of us met in Nov. He is from the other web site SAMMY BOY . COM I believe you are one of them whom had met him. We drank at the Tao Yuan KTV together. Remember the guy we met at the hotel lobby?
Yes, the Police was not too pleased since those reports about CP appeared the Taiwanese Magazine. The Chinese government thinks it was not good for the China “Image” and got to do something about it. There also had been some wankers who had not read the threads, gone off to some BBS in CP, got themselves ripped off (for a 500 ST) and reported to the police that they were robbed. Finally, there was this local Chinese guy who was murdered in his hotel room in CP. All these attributes to this tightening of security in CP.
Of course there are people who do not believe in all these information that was posted on the board and chose to say that we are paranoids. Well…. That’s OK…if we don’t gain anything or lose anything regardless of whether they chose to believe us “The Paranoids” or not.
Updates:
23:30
I’d stayed in my room with one of my freebie whom had came along after her work in one of those clothing stores till about 2330 and felt hungry. I’ve tried pester my freebie to go over together to join the group of new friends, Santa, Laowai123 whom we met over dinner (they were regular visitors to CP and viewing members of ISG. However she was too shy and did not agree to go. (Sorry guys, if you are reading this, I’ve tried very hard) At 2330 I was hungry (god why I get hungry that fast every time I am in CP?) so, we popped over McDonalds.
At 2330hrs, It seems very quiet and there was totally no evidence of any raids that might had occurred. So I assumed it did not happen. I will monitor the situation over the next few nights and give an update once available.
Live from CP
AG
[QUOTE=Loso69][b][color=green][size=5]Pao Be[/size][/color][/b]
When I texted Reader123 and asked what his plans were, he replied: “KTV tonight”. There were 3 of us in our party: Reader123, a regular visitor at the Prince Karaoke who I’ll refer to as Q and yours truly.
Once we were settled into our room, the mamasans took their turn to present us their collection. We went through about 20 line-ups, each consisting of about 10 girls. At an upscale KTV joint, I expected the girls to be a cut above the BBS girls. Apart from the fancy evening gowns, there was absolutely no evidence of that.
My partners in crime weren’t exactly impressed with the selection either. I did see one girl I really liked, but since neither of the other guys had picked a girl yet, I wasn’t ready to commit either.
When we’d gone through all the line-ups... they started all over again. I enquired about the girl I liked, but she was no longer available. In the end, I picked a girl (Sofia)... and then picked a second one (Xiao Yuen).
Reader123 finally picked a cutie as well. Q didn’t see anyone he particularly liked and ended up calling one of his regulars to come and join him.
Xiao Yuen was definitely the more affectionate of the 2 girls. We were cuddling, she gave me a few kisses... Sofia was on her best behavior during the 15 minute grace period, but turned stone cold after that. She wouldn’t even let me kiss her on the cheek.
After suffering an evening of lousy singing & mediocre food, I asked Xiao Yuen if she wanted to go with me. She couldn’t, because her period was about to start. Sofia... simply shook her head.
At the start of the evening, I’d asked my Chinese friends if a KTV girl was likely to refuse sleeping with a customer. It may hardly ever happen if you’re Chinese, but it happened to this laowai... twice.
The room charge and tips cost each of us 400 RMB. The sitting fee for my 2 girls came to another 400 RMB. I paid our host Q, threw the girls' money on the table and walked out. My KTV experience set me back 800 RMB... for nothing.
BTW, Reader123 took his girl home, but sent her packing after 1 round. No GFE.
Loso[/QUOTE]
Prince Hotel. Tai Zi Jiu Dian. 太子酒店. (About 1 hour away by cab from dongguan)
Sorry to hear your bad experience in Prince Karaoke. When a group of us went there, it was actually the climax of our dongguan trip (god bless new years eve). 5 guys, 4 overseas born chinese and 1 local guy. Thank god for the local guy - otherwise, i think that i might've had the same experience as you did. A couple of things did went wrong, but he settled it for us.
Well, we went pretty late in reaching there (about 10ish) because a friend's flight got delayed due to the heavy snowfall in beijing. But when we got there, our nice local friend has already got the room and already talked to the mamasans. It was going to be 200 or 300 to sit with the girl and 800 for overnight. Told the mamas that we're all gonna want overnight chicks so the chicks that they bring to us better be prepared for it.
A bunch of girls came in. About 10 at first, and then another 10 came and got really crowded. The first ten was mostly 6s or 7s. But there was one 8 and i picked her immediately. The others waited for more selection. The bad thing about this place is that, the different mamas will keep on trying to push you her girl, regardless whether you're interested or not. My poor friend who was completely new in this type of thing was completely overwhelmed by it. (My soul's going further down in hell for corrupting another innocent soul)
Being the good friend i am (cough), helped him reject the other girls and slowly helped him picked one up. Ended up picking a big boobed stunner. One that really warmed up to him too. One guy picked another stunner, who later on told me that she was really kinky on bed too. The local chinese guy picked a chick that looks eerily similar to one hongkong singer. The chick that the last guy picked.. well lets just say that he's fully satisfied with her.
The chick that i picked? Small boobs, small frame and an almost bad make up. But behind all that, she exudes an innocent child-like presence. Only to my surprise that she's really young and that she just started working there 2 days ago. Fresh from the country side. A fresh apple. =]
After we got all the chicks we needed and everything got nicely settled in, we proceeded with the normal karaoke stuff, except that there's a slight difference. There was a balcony connecting to their coliseum stage thingy and they had a life cabaret performance down there - and you can even see the hotel guests sitting down sipping on their drinks. The balcony's dark without any lighting, very good for groping or any pre-hotel action.
One thing bad about the karaoke is that their selection of english songs is the poorest i've ever seen anywhere else in china. Unless you're familiar with really really REALLY old songs, then i doubt any non-chinese speaking people will be able to do any singing there.
So, we did the usual dice-playing, drinking, frenching, groping, being merry, fooling around with different guy's chicks, etc. When the night's over the bill amounted to about 1500 just for the karaoke and drinks.
My chick also tried to pull "sorry i coudn't go with you because my period is just over, and there's still blood" thing on me. Strange - especially when she was really warmed up the whole time. Then complaints were made, and the mama brought her to the toilet to check things up and gave the green light. Off we go to the hotel. 4 guys, 4 rooms. The local guy had to go back to his wife. Poor fella. Hotel room's about 400 per person. Breakfast for 2 is included for each room.
The room also has an automated curtain and it shows the view of the swimming pool. Awesome. Plus, there's a sort of a day bed or something by the window which is an excellent place to bang the chick while enjoying the view of the moon outside. And the people outside to view back at you banging away. =]
When we got to the room, took the usual shower, ran the bath and relaxed there for a bit, before doing round one there. And oh man, her pussy had very little hair, and they were so fine. The tastiest pussy i've ever had. After done with round one on the bathtub, we dried up and went to the bed. Boy, that bathtub experience totally reminded me of my highschool days and my highschool sweetheart back then. Some how it was a very nostalgic feeling. Best sex i've had in years.
Cuddled up on the bed again, pretending that we're each other's long lost half or something before continuing on round two. And to think that things just couldnt get any better, it just did. She was a complete newbie at things. Just lost her virginity half a year ago to god-knows-who. But still havent done enough to be jaded at it. Gave a meek but satisfying bbbj. Ate her pussy again. Made love to her like there was no tomorrow. Yes, i wrote made love, not have sex. First of such experience with a WL. But then again, i'm her first customer to ever sleep with her. Heh heh heh.
After we're done at about 4ish or 5. We cleaned up a little and went to bed.
Next morning she woke up at about 7 asking to leave!!
Pulled her back to the bed and wanted to bang her again before letting her go. Told me that she was sore from last night. Understandable. But still banged her again anyways. It's my favourite thing in the world. Banging someone while i'm still half asleep and half awake. Sort of a dreamy feel to it. Finished the deed and sent her off. Paid the 800 before she left. Woke everyone else up at 8 for breakfast (i'm an asshole), just because i couldnt get back to sleep.
They woke up and banged their respective chicks before going down together for a buffet breakfast. Surprisingly, there's A LOT of families there! And there's also a lot of single guys (some Caucasian) with chicks accompanying them. Heh. People who did the same deed the night before. And you could hear the awkward whisper in the local dialect (cantonese) of them saying "why is there so many single guys and girls around?" LOL.
The best part of it all, my newbie friend (bringing his chick down to breakfast) was so worried of bumping into someone that he knows back from the states. And strangely enough - against the odds, he DID bump into an old female friend that he knew, back from the states! LMAO. She kept staring at him like he's so familiar and he's trying to avoid her the whole time. Couldnt get myself to stop laughing.
All said and done, when we were discussing it on the breakfast table about last night's experiences, all 4 of us had fun. The newbie guy complained that his chick complained that his dick was too big. And that she was too tight that he couldnt get an orgasm for hours. But did it 3 times overall anyway. Didn't know whether i should slap him or congratulate him. One other guy's chick was so wild that she suggested that they go to the other people's room and join in. I'm so pissed at him for not agreeing to her suggestion. And the last guy.... well lets just say that he's also satisfied with his chick.
Each person spent about: 300rmb for ktv room, 400 for hotel room and 800 for the tip. Took a cab from and back to dongguan, costed about 50 rmb each person. So overall spent 1500 rmb for 1 night of fun. So much fun that we're gonna go there again on May or April '07. Plane ticket's been booked.
P.S: shoutout to OAH. I'm finally settled in in Dongguan. I live in Dongcheng area permanently now.
Xing Ji Hotel in dongguan. I think it's in Dongcheng area.
It's only a 3 or 4 star small/moderately-sized hotel but....
Went there: 3 guys total; 2 overseas born chinese and 1 local. The local recommended a VIP room there. After listening to his suggestion we agreed. Went to the room and liked what we see. 1 living area with a TV. 1 jacuzzi to be shared. 1 shower area with 3 shower head/cubicle. But it's open, and you get to see your friend being soaped and blowed. And in the shower area, there's 1 dry sauna room and there's 1 steam room.
One toilet for no.2 purposes on a seperate room. Only one.
And then there's 3 separate bedrooms for us 3 guys.
Apparently, it's best to call and book in advance for the room. I'm sorry to say that i dont have the number to that place.
Anyway, took our clothes off in the room and got it hanged, walked out butt naked into the shower. Seeing your friend naked for the first time is a very weird experiences. Eyeballs are bound to wander down. It's a strange thing. Guys are curious about other guy's equipments. Anyways, took a shower together and got blowed together there. A pretty good experience. Kind of like a live porn feed.
When we're done with the shower, 3 of us with 3 chicks went into the jacuzzi. What happened there.. well use your own imagination.
When done jacuzzi, went back to the shower for a bit and each of us moved to our respective rooms and did our deed there. Opted not to go for the usual 'service', but went ahead for the main course. When finished, went to the shower to clean up a bit, before going to the living room to watch some tv naked together. Apparently, i'm not the only one that had this in mind. The local guy too.
Both of us ended up getting a bbbj again on the couch, while chatting with each other normally. It was an interesting experience. When it got hard again, we did it there again. That local guy even opened the curtain and banged her chick by the window. Lol. He's turned on by voyeurism i suppose.
Too bad even by the time we're done with our 2nd round in the living room couch, the 3rd guy still hasnt came out of his room yet. He opted to do the full course, which took a long long time to finish. But it was an interesting experience nonetheless.
Room was about 580 and the chick was 300 each. So its about 500 each person. Highly recommended if you want to try orgies or partner swapping.
When we wanted to experience it again the following day, only the 2 of us went there without the local guy. Cost of the room was 180 per guy. In other words, it's 360 for the room. Cheaper than it was the night before. But then maybe we came too early or something, or we didnt call in advance or something, but the captain/mamasan was really grouchy.
When we requested to see another line/batch of chicks (like we usually do), it was clearly written on her face that she was displeased. Only when my friend got pissed off and about to leave then she tried to do her job properly. But it was too late and my friend stormed off just like that and never to return there again.
Moral of the story? Maybe should've called in advance to book. But i still dont have the phone number to there.
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Sweet memories of this place.
1) It has one of the nicer rooms i've encountered.
2) They have the more expensive A-grade chicks (500 as opposed to 300)
3) The chick that i got has got a supermodel tight body and FIRM big natural boobs. Basically she's the perfect body that i've been dreaming about.
4) The nice uniform that the chicks wear. (Different from ones i've seen)
Went there, after storming off Xing Ji Hotel's sauna.
Usually my friend and me are pretty picky about the chicks. Or at least in every line up, we would like to see more chicks (while keeping in mind the number of the good ones) before deciding on one. But this is the only place EVER that after we booked (a local guy booked for us), the captain/mamasan only brought 2 girls into the room for us. And both of us liked the 2 girls that we saw!
2 chicks. Both supermodel type. Yum. And finally, they're more classily dressed than the usual sauna uniform. Yuck. All we had to do was just decide which gets who. Since I'm the junior, I let him decide first. And to my delight, he actually picked the one to the left (and I wanted the one to the right).
Went into the room. The usual. Nothing special here. Except that the girl is friggin gorgeous! As an asian male, I've seen pretty asian chicks, cute asian chicks, etc. But this one's truly gorgeous. Plus, she's got a pleasant personality too. Well at least she's pleasant to me. But the downside is that I couldn't DATY her nor do any frenching. =[
In any case, this is the contact number to our favourite captain/mamasan there (I think she speaks decent english): Winny (ooops, I just remembered that we're not supposed to post contact numbers. Or can we post her contact number here? I'm not sure.)
Well if anyone wants her contact, you know what to do.
Actually given the choice, both my friend and me would very much do Winny too. She's hot, especially her black stocking. An alluring 24 year old in western suit.
Overall spent about 200 something for each room and 500 for the chick. Tipped Winny another 100 just because we like her (this doesnt count as ruining the market does it? ). Hehe.
I do remember him. BTW, I was just joking (j/k). Just in case it didn't come across that way.
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Chang Ping is a guy; a few of us met in Nov. He is from the other web site SAMMY BOY . COM I believe you are one of them whom had met him. We drank at the Tao Yuan KTV together. Remember the guy we met at the hotel lobby?
AG[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]...At 2330 I was hungry (god why I get hungry that fast every time I am in CP?) so, we popped over McDonalds.
AG[/QUOTE]
Ha ha, how could you bring a freebie to McDonalds?? But then I guess in China, there's a different connotation than it would be in a western country...
J
[QUOTE=Johnnykon666]Ha ha, how could you bring a freebie to McDonalds?? But then I guess in China, there's a different connotation than it would be in a western country...
J[/QUOTE]
On the contrary Johnny, the girls in CP love McDonalds! This is the 6th girl I’d pick up CP that asked me to bring them over to McDonalds!
I wanted to bring them to some better restuarant but they all refused! And say something like "Don't waste money" well I guess this is part and puzzle of been a Freebie. They will try to win your heart and show that they care for you.
Don’t know why?
AG
Yes, It is true. The girls want you to take them to Mcdonald's. Mainly because they eat chinese food all the time at cheap prices. Mcdonald's is not cheap according to them. These are simple girls not exposed to dating styles of western women. There is no point in impressing them. Once I took a girl to an expensive Thai restaurent and she was not impressed at all. Remember most of these girls come from poor families and not used to expensive things. Even going shopping with them is difficult. I asked this girl to buy a nice dress and she did not want to because she said it is too expensive. Western women would have jumped at the chance as long as somebody else is paying.
E&E Bus to HKIA is now serving the Virgin or Miraton Hotel Chanping areas. Unfortunately, their first bus doesn't arrive HKIA until 8:30am. The price is HKD200.
Go Go Bus from Crown Prince Hotel (tai zi jiudian) is still the only option for early flights. The schedule is the same as below and no reservation required. The price is now HKD180.
[QUOTE=Cappy]I had an 8:30am morning flight out of Hong Kong and didn't want to have to leave my Chanping hotel any sooner than absolutely necessary.
The first Go Go Bus leaves the Crown Prince Hotel (Opera House) (Ph: 86-769-83363333) at 4:15am and got me into HKIA by 6:45am. The cost is rmb160. Taxi for rmb15 should get you from Chanping (Miraton Hotel district) to the Crown Prince in about 10 minutes.
Everything in CP is negotiable. I noticed that more than usual everyone from bell boys to taxi cabs greatly inflates the asking prices in Dongguan / Chanping district.
A little bit of Mandarin and "know your prices" (RTFF) will help to prevent you from ruining the area for the rest of the hobbying community.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sammon]Yes, It is true. The girls want you to take them to Mcdonald's. Mainly because they eat chinese food all the time at cheap prices. Mcdonald's is not cheap according to them. These are simple girls not exposed to dating styles of western women. There is no point in impressing them. Once I took a girl to an expensive Thai restaurent and she was not impressed at all. Remember most of these girls come from poor families and not used to expensive things. Even going shopping with them is difficult. I asked this girl to buy a nice dress and she did not want to because she said it is too expensive. Western women would have jumped at the chance as long as somebody else is paying.[/QUOTE]
Well... you would be right.
Last evening the hold group of us ISGs members went to Jin Ji (Kum Kee in Cantonese) one of the Expansive Guangdong Restaurant in CP. I brought my two Cuties along for the dinner as I had booked them for LT.
Well guess what? after the dinner when we returned to the room, the girls were very happy? Why? They had eaten a lot of stuff they never they would have tasted till today!
Like the Abalone Mushrooms, they had actually thought that it was Abalone! Not the mentioned those Scallops!
However, they were just telling after that although they were happy about the chance of having a nice dinner, they would rather have me save those money spent and in return give them as a tips.
Of course this is exception of Shanghainese girls; they would want expansive dinners, expansive gifts and more pocket money if they can get them from you!
I will report in on these 2 girls in a post later.
AG
My last trip to CP, I brought back 2 Yalan girls (Lily's) to Miraton for LT. They told me they're hungry. I gave them $100 to buy take away & guess what? They came back with some hot (spicy) chicken burgers from McDonalds across the road and with some change as well. From there onwards I was treated like King with lots of GFE till sun rise!! I think by treating them to McDonalds before is much better to tip them after the deeds!!
Downunder96
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]On the contrary Johnny, the girls in CP love McDonalds! This is the 6th girl I’d pick up CP that asked me to bring them over to McDonalds!
I wanted to bring them to some better restuarant but they all refused! And say something like "Don't waste money" well I guess this is part and puzzle of been a Freebie. They will try to win your heart and show that they care for you.
Don’t know why?
AG[/QUOTE]
It was great to monger in the company of royalty in CP. The undisputed King of ISG, AG, was leading the pack. Santa, Batman and his mates, Cappy, Fast Eddie, Laowai123, SZExpat and his wingman (Mr. J) and a friend of Hoeman (Mr. L) were all on tap to join the festivities. Great fun was had by all.
My first round was a tall Haerbin girl from Baby. I had not given Hua Hua any business for awhile so I decided to take one of her girls. Plus, she was wearing high boots with heels. The BBBJ was great, but she screamed pain the moment I stuck it in. Why do I get this so often? I am not that big! Anyway, to cut a long story short, I told her to put the boots on and I did her doggy bent over the bed looking down at the boots until I popped. One of my favorite pastimes during the winter season.
After the seafood feast AG mentioned, we went hunting behind the Hui Mei. My second round was a cute little bubbly thing from Henan. New to the game, but she made every effort to please me. After a reasonable BBBJ attempt, she started to mount me bareback and I had to stop her and cover up. She did it so naturally it confirms my belief that these girls do BBFS very, very often. Although I am always tempted in these situations, my better judgement usually rules. Damage: 150 RMB vs. 200 from Yalan.
OAH
My Wingman (Mr. J) and I decided to shoot down to CP on Sunday after Santa said a couple of the Kings of ISG would be present. First issue was there was NO trains running from Shenzhen to Dongguan so, we had to catch a bus out to CP which delayed our meeting with Santa.
After finally getting into town, we met with Santa over at the Miraton Hotel and he took us to another hotel to have a "look-see" since we are a couple of cheap bastards and didn't want to front 300 rmb a night for the Miraton. After looking over the 130 rmb hotel, Mr. J and I decided on going over to the Lucky Hotel instead. I was there on a little business anyway, so I was able to get the rooms at 197 rmb with official company letter. The rooms at the Lucky, are excellent and the bed is one of the softest I have slept on in China. Highly Recommended!
After throwing our stuff down and getting a bite to eat, we decided to do a tour of CP starting in the center of town. After Shenzhen went somewhat "high and dry" it was quite an emotional experience to walk into the first stable and see so many sweet young things all ready to service me for 200 rmb.
We decided to walk through the half a dozen stables behind the Miraton, then head over to the Yalin area. When we went up to the Yalin KTV I noticed Xiao Xiao immediately, she was fresh, smiling, young and tender! I always tell Mr. J I like my girls "Real Chinese" and this one fit the bill. I told the poppa (who spoke English) I would come back for her and we all went to take a look at Babies and the Swan Lake KTV.
After Santa found one he liked (a sweet young thing as well), I went outside to find one of the mommies had brought my girl to me! So, after Mr. J chose one he liked, we went back to the hotel.
Xiao Xiao was a beautiful creature, 20 years old, tight, firm body, smallish tits (which I prefer 90% of the time), no armpit or leg hair and a small trimmed bush. Santa had reminded me to tell the girls "no mobile phones" during the act and this girl was so fresh and new, she didn't even own a mobile phone! Xiao Xiao was from Hubei and had only been in town a month, she was scared of me at first, but when she realized I was gentle with her, she REALLY got into it and came several times herself. BBBJ, Mish, Asian Cowgirl, Doggy and DFK, she was very lovely and so damn wet and tight, I decided to keep her all night and get 3 shots with her. I paid 400 to girl and 100 to mommy (this is standard fee) I will most certainly be going back for seconds next weekend.
Mr. J and I rolled out later in the day and met up with Santa again and Batman who had a posse with him, after Batman got situated we headed over to the Miraton to meet the ISG famous (or is that infamous?) AG and OAH, after a nice lunch, we did another tour again and at the #1 Shop met up with Fast Eddie as well. Must have been quite a site seeing a party of 9 people walking down the street with some little honeys in tow.
For my second girl, I decided on a little porcelain doll with such lovely hair and the fact the mommy said I could cum in her mouth made her even more lovely. Her name was Xiao Hui (seems most all are Xiao in CP) but when she took off her dress, my god, she had an awsome rack and fantastic body, 19 years of age from Jiangzi Province. She performed the Fire & Ice treatment on me and used a form of breath spray to give my tool an extreme tingling sensation. She was a tad bit too mechanical for me, but the BJ was top notch and the Mish and Asian Cowgirl were good. 200 total (100 girl 100 mommy)
Later on, Mr. J and I went to look at some apartments and decided to eat good old McDonalds for dinner and sat around a coffee shop for awhile just girl watching. After debating about where to get our next shot at (I really was tempted to go back for Xiao Xiao) we decided to stick around the stables behind the Miraton.
Our first stop was the stable inside the small hotel, which Santa had stayed at before. I had noticed the Asst. Mommy the night before, but did not put to much into it so, when we saw her again I was a little interested again. After viewing the stable without anything standing out, Mr. J jokingly said he wanted the Asst. Mommy and the Head Mom said ok.......lol. I told Mr. J I was a bit interested in her (real Chinese) and would take her so, Mr. J picked a thick one out of the stables.
I figured if I serviced the mommy well, maybe I could get a discount or heads up on fresh new ones in the future......Ends up the mommy was quite a treat! Not real pretty or a spectacular body, but what she lacked for in those departments, she made up for in bed. She did anything and everything I wanted with no complaints whatsoever! Told me she used to work for about a month, but the head mommy decided to promote her to Asst. maybe because she is a very lovely girl but does not have the features the others do which would mean not much money. She asked me to give her an English name, which I chose Tammy (don't know why, just popped in my head). I decided to keep her LT and I think she really enjoyed it as she said she will hook me up for free from now on!
When we headed back to SZ on Tuesday, was told still no train service and the buses were slammed packed. Since I needed to get back to work, we negotiated a private car and driver for 225 rmb and headed home. We already have plans to head back out Saturday night or Sunday morning again!!
1. Xiao Xiao
2. Xiao Hui
3. One of Mr. J's girls
4. Tammy
Hi SZExpat,
[QUOTE=Szexpat][...]
After finally getting into town, we met with Santa over at the Miraton Hotel and he took us to another hotel to have a "look-see" since we are a couple of cheap bastards and didn't want to front 300 rmb a night for the Miraton. After looking over the 130 rmb hotel, Mr. J and I decided on going over to the Lucky Hotel instead. I was there on a little business anyway, so I was able to get the rooms at 197 rmb with official company letter. The rooms at the Lucky, are excellent and the bed is one of the softest I have slept on in China. Highly Recommended![/QUOTE]Which room (type) did you have? What was the asking price without "company letter"? Do your room(s) have a window?
Furthermore I take the liberty to point to some "typos":
[QUOTE=Szexpat]We decided to walk through the half a dozen stables behind the Miraton, then head over to the Yalin area. When we went up to the Yalin KTV [...][/QUOTE]The "stables" are behind Hui Mei and I assume that you mean the shop above the restaurant across Yalan Hotel which is also a KTV now.
Am I right?
LW
First off, the Kaiping crew really appreciated the effort of all those who made or trip a pleasant one. OAH, AG, Santa and the rest the ones we met on our road trip. Lunch and dinner were great even if AG (Wang)got a kickback. heheheeheehee.
The girls I had were great. The selection was the best I have seen in China and all seemed to be fresh off the farm so to speak. My 3 were all very Girl friend like which I always like.
I did however cheat the system and will tell all of you that want to save a little time and money an idea of how the Kaiping crew did it.
First off I always let my Chinese friends choose the girls that we both liked and that way we only payed the mommy once for each girl and then we all did each others girls. Girls made out and we payed less. The 200rmb girls (swan lake) became 150. At night we did the same with the 150 girls from close to our hotel. (near the lucky hotel)
I am hoping to return to CP around the CNY.
Thanks again
There's no mongering around that time. Most girls are home, back in the village. Quantity and quality is always less around such major holidays.
Good to have met you in SZ. Glad you made it to CP.
Bill
[QUOTE=Batman]
I am hoping to return to CP around the CNY.
Thanks again[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]There's no mongering around that time. Most girls are home, back in the village. [...][/QUOTE]My girl at HuiMei KTV from last saturday told me that there will be big biz during this time and so she and many other will be on duty.
Same I heard from a HK monger, there maybe are big parties at this time and I expect it will be. But, in CN everything is possible including lost looking mongers in Yalan at this time. :D
LW
[QUOTE=Batman]Lunch and dinner were great even if AG (Wang)got a kickback.
The girls I had were great. The selection was the best I have seen in China and all seemed to be fresh off the farm so to speak. My 3 were all very Girl friend like which I always like.
I did however cheat the system and will tell all of you that want to save a little time and money an idea of how the Kaiping crew did it.
First off I always let my Chinese friends choose the girls that we both liked and that way we only payed the mommy once for each girl and then we all did each others girls. Girls made out and we payed less. The 200rmb girls (swan lake) became 150. At night we did the same with the 150 girls from close to our hotel. (near the lucky hotel)
I am hoping to return to CP around the CNY.
Thanks again[/QUOTE]
Well... Batman next time if you ask me to bring you to somewhere nice for Lunch/Dinner, I will bring you to those road side stalls! heheheheheheeeee..
Man.. you guys are cheapo!... Can't believe you do that to the girls and those mummy! Come on... what is an extra 100RMB (US$12) to us? People have to make a living.... Call me a sucker or whatever... I am a guy who believe that you pay for the service.. if you treat the mummy or girls well enough.. they will return you with great service and kindness. Just like what happened to one of my girl in one of my previous trips. The girl I pick from Baby mummy has got bad service. I initially wants her for LT but kick her out after the first pop. The moment she return to the BBS, Mummy call me and asked if she gave me bad service? On hearing yes, she sent me another great service girl of my type without paying another cent! I know most problely she would get the money back from the first girl to pay off the second girl but that's not my problem. You give me bad service, you don't get paid. Whatever... just as long as you enjoyed yourself... that is the most important!
By the way: Chinese New Year... most of the girls that are good have gone back home. Mainly because they had made enough money to do so. Whilst those that are left behind are those not too good ones.
AG
I will own up to being cheap. There maybe other who are cheap as well who may like some insight into how to save a few bucks so they can have a nice dinner.
The good news is that I had a great CHEAP time and enjoyed the chance to come and hang out with you guys. I hope we can all do it again soon.
Thanks for the heads up on CNY and the girls going home but I will be in SZ and HK durring that time anyway girls or no girls. I just figured as many as there were in CP, there are bound to be more there than in some of the places in SZ where the crackdown is in full swing.
Stay safe and hope to see you all soon
Just when I thought I wasn't missing out on any excitement back there, you drag my misery ass back into a state of gloom.
BTW, he did mean "stables" as in stables of horses or building which domestic animals are kept, sheltered and fed. Kind of rude but maybe fitting.
It's also pimp talk in the U.S.
Batman, nothing wrong with being cheap. That's why we're all at CP and not BJ or SH.
Bill
[QUOTE=Laowai123]My girl at HuiMei KTV from last saturday told me that there will be big biz during this time and so she and many other will be on duty.
Same I heard from a HK monger, there maybe are big parties at this time and I expect it will be. But, in CN everything is possible including lost looking mongers in Yalan at this time. :D
LW[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Laowai123]Hi SZExpat,
Which room (type) did you have? What was the asking price without "company letter"? Do your room(s) have a window?
Furthermore I take the liberty to point to some "typos":
The "stables" are behind Hui Mei and I assume that you mean the shop above the restaurant across Yalan Hotel which is also a KTV now.
Am I right?
LW[/QUOTE]
We each had a Honeymoon Suite, but did not get the ones with the glass window in the bathroom, next trip. Mr J my wingman had semi-negotiated the price but seems he had talked them down to around 225 rmb before producing the letter. If the price we had of 197 rmb is good for anyone, send me a PM and I'd be glad to hook other mongers up for the same price.
Yes the Hui Mei Hotel, not the Miraton are where the shops are located. My last trip to CP the girls were located in a room above the Yalin Restaurant, which is across the street from the hotel, but this time we were escorted up into the KTV which is the other half of the building that houses the restaurant to view the girls.
-SZE
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]BTW, he did mean "stables" as in stables of horses or building which domestic animals are kept, sheltered and fed. Kind of rude but maybe fitting.
It's also pimp talk in the U.S.[/QUOTE]
Hmmmm.....rude? I meant that with the highest regard for the sweet young thoroughbreds that are quartered there.
The word "stable" is slang for a room full of girls that are there for a purpose (KTV, BBS, Massage, etc.), shouldn't need to look into it any further or draw other conclusions from it.
Laowai123, I'll be back in CP this weekend for a couple of days to entertain a client, maybe we can meet for coffee or a tour?
-SZE
[QUOTE=Szexpat]We each had a Honeymoon Suite, but did not get the ones with the glass window in the bathroom, next trip. Mr J my wingman had semi-negotiated the price but seems he had talked them down to around 225 rmb before producing the letter. If the price we had of 197 rmb is good for anyone, send me a PM and I'd be glad to hook other mongers up for the same price.
Yes the Hui Mei Hotel, not the Miraton are where the shops are located. My last trip to CP the girls were located in a room above the Yalin Restaurant, which is across the street from the hotel, but this time we were escorted up into the KTV which is the other half of the building that houses the restaurant to view the girls.
-SZE[/QUOTE]SZE,
you wrote "Suite", but "We each had...", so I assume that you mean the "Superior Honeymoon Room" with one big bed (1.8x2m). This room was offered through my CP Hotel investigation trip for CNY209 (official rate CNY348) without any company letter. If it is this room, then you can get it at least for CNY20 cheaper when you are a regular customer.
The questions concerning the window was in the direction, if the room has a window and not the bath. Some rooma at Lucky don't have a window, like Suites with 2/3 beds which they showed us.
Will continue my CP hotel investigation trip and write an report when finished, but this takes time as I always cross the way of beauties. :D
Any request for information via PM are welcome in the meantime.
The shop above the restaurant which you can access via the KTV entrance is the same which you can access via the restaurant. But using the KTV entrance is more "comfortable" as the way through the restaurant - from my POV.
LW
[QUOTE=Szexpat]Laowai123, I'll be back in CP this weekend for a couple of days to entertain a client, maybe we can meet for coffee or a tour?
-SZE[/QUOTE]You are welcome, will send you my mobile number again via PM. I also have some reasons to go to CP next time as I have some contacts and "recommendations" (:D) to check, but I avoid at least SA for hunting, as this is "high season/rush hour" in CP and so always very rushy/pushy. Starting with SU evening you have more time. Also the girls will put more efforts in the game, as between SU evening and FR evening less mongers in town and so competition higher between mamas and girls try to keep you LT.
Going everyday to CP is not a problem as I live "around the corner" in ZMT.
LW
Being correct informed and referring to a local newspaper, there is a shortage of trains starting from today Thursday until Saturday.
There are 34 trains less operated during these three days! Be prepared and start your trip to CP earlier to catch a bus!
LW
[QUOTE=Batman]I will own up to being cheap. There maybe other who are cheap as well who may like some insight into how to save a few bucks so they can have a nice dinner.
The good news is that I had a great CHEAP time and enjoyed the chance to come and hang out with you guys. I hope we can all do it again soon.
Thanks for the heads up on CNY and the girls going home but I will be in SZ and HK durring that time anyway girls or no girls. I just figured as many as there were in CP, there are bound to be more there than in some of the places in SZ where the crackdown is in full swing.
Stay safe and hope to see you all soon[/QUOTE]
to batman and the gang
It is great meeting you guys I am at hkia waiting for my flight back to home to US ,I went back to swan lake 2 night ago try to find that tall girl your buddy got she is already pick hope that you have her nude picture ,I think you guy done well being in CP for the first time may be I can use your system
next time,I think swan lake have the best looking girl for the same cost as yalan area 200 st with 4 mamasan total about 30 girls .
fast eddie 48
A quick report on a pleasant Zhang Mu Tou trip last week. Laowai123 was a great host and went to great lengths to make sure I had a good hotel and wasn’t lost once I got to the city. Nice guy and if you like to go hunting in BBSs, bars, or anywhere in China with a “laowai wingman”, L123 is ready and willing, and actually more like a squadron of fighter jets more than a wingman, so if you find some female target that needs to be cluster-bombed with chat, jokes, and flirty-ness, he’s ready and willing.
*SHORT REPORT
ZMT is a small place but plenty of options for gals I didn’t explore. Laowai123 is a great host. Fucked a nice, young Hunan gal I got from a BBS mall area and service was good/above average.
***LONG REPORT
My first trip to ZMT and was surprised at how close yet far it is from Changping. Taking a public bus took about 25 minutes so I’m assuming a taxi ride would take only about 15 minutes or so. The city is small and everything is centrally located. I arrived late and L123 showed me this one small “mall” that was like a BBS mall, ha…reminded me of taking a section of Sha Zhui’s back alleys and putting it on open display. Very convenient since I could go to the 8-9 shops (about 4-9 girls each) and check them all out in less than 10 minutes of walking around. Talent was OK, maybe a notch below the standard CP girl but plenty of fuckable gals.
I chose a young cutie from Hunan (aren’t they all?) who seemed nice and bubbly in a shy way. About 5’3, slim but not skinny, and pretty nice 34B breasts that were more than a handful and she didn’t need to nor was wearing a padded bra. Brought her back to my room and talked with her for a bit, continuing to the shower and chatting. She was 19, came to ZMT about 5 months ago, and has a local boyfriend (!). Ha ha…the boyfriend part killed me, but was also a turn on. Yes, I’m sick like that, ha…
She initially just kind of laid on the bed then got into it after I took it slow and gentle, with light kissing and caressing and light DATY. Also, it was entertaining to do XX action then ask, “Does your boyfriend do XX?” Most of the time, the answer was no, which turned me and it seemed, to a smaller degree, her, too. After playing the me vs. boyfriend game and going through BBBJ, CFS, and finish in missionary, we both laid there to rest for a few minutes. She asked if I wanted LT and I asked how much and she said 500 but from the tone of her voice I bet 400 or less would do. We showered then as she was sitting on the bed drying herself, I just got inexplicably horny and started in on her again as she laughed and giggled. Repeat of above except no boyfriend talk this time. The weird thing is I couldn’t really come the second time after about 30 minutes of action. I just decided to stop and told her I’ll save my sperm for her another day, ha…She showered again, dressed, and I brought her back to her shop with 200 RMB + 100 RMB tip for the extra session.
Overall, ZMT is a nice small place where everything is close by and centralized with plenty of gals (and plenty of places I didn't explore), but it can’t seriously challenge CP’s awesome quantity and quality choices. I consider it a good side trip pre- or post-CP.
J
[QUOTE=Johnnykon666]A quick report on a pleasant Zhang Mu Tou trip last week. Laowai123 was a great host and went to great lengths to make sure I had a good hotel and wasn’t lost once I got to the city. Nice guy and if you like to go hunting in BBSs, bars, or anywhere in China with a “laowai wingman”, L123 is ready and willing, and actually more like a squadron of fighter jets more than a wingman, so if you find some female target that needs to be cluster-bombed with chat, jokes, and flirty-ness, he’s ready and willing.[/QUOTE]Hi J,
Thanks for this feedback! ZMT and the Laowai Squadron welcomes you anytime again. Yeah, as Laowai you have to speak Chinese and know "local" language as ice breaker to get what you want and/or to have fun. When you can/know both you are more attractive for them, they then often start flirting and I jump on it. As long all involved parties know that this is just a game and the girls are hookers, it brings fun for all. But sometimes I fear death, especially when he falls in love with her and she started the game, but he wants to penalty me. :mad: :confused:
Some updates and information:
In this "main" BBS area are at least 17 shops at the moment, but many were closed during Js visit. The amount varies from time to time.
Santa also visited ZMT these days and we discovered a new BBS area before your visit. Shops don't have the well known red light, but this area seems to become a new BBS area and we counted at least three shops with girls. One mama told me that she moved from the other main BBS area, as competition is getting tough there.
Locals told me that you can get in this area "services" starting with CNY25. Not from a BBS girl, but from the "real" barber shops. I was offered a massage for CNY25 when I went to a hair cut in one of these barber shops last year, but did not take it "serious". has to be investigated what they mean with this, but I assume it's not what we are looking for.
ZMT is also a monger place for many HK'ers and known as "Little Hong Kong". Because of this, between FR evening and SU evening is rush-hour at BBS areas and many girls are pre-booked by their HK boyfriends. You came on FR night and many shops were nearly empty or closed, because of "sold out".
Prices:
J, did you really paid ST 200 +100??? Standard price during evening is ST150 - 50 mama, 100 girl, 100 extra pop. In some shops with a "workbench" or a shop owned apartment next to this area you can get ST for 130. LT is 400, so she wanted to cheat you as you are not local.
As later, as less you pay.
Hope to welcome you again or anybody else who wants to visit ZMT.
LW
Can anyone advise where the action is around here? Went to cionese KTV and got totall ripped off by "Model" who was supposed to be 1200RMB for LT and then went for 1 pop and asked for 1500. gave her 1k and told her to get out. Any help would be appreciated as I'm here until Sunday.
[B][COLOR=green][SIZE=5]Prelude[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
I was a stranger in a strange land, and unable to communicate with anyone. Still, while I was checking back into the Miraton Hotel, the theme tune from Cheers was playing through my head. Even though a laowai sticks out like a sore thumb, Changping felt like home.
I didn’t get enough beauty sleep my final night in Shenzhen, and figured I deserved a little rest after unpacking. I dozed off and by the time I woke up... it was dark already. Holy shit!
[B][COLOR=green][SIZE=5]Xiao Chong[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
The Hui Mei mamasans were wondering where I’d been. :) The BBS I ended up in... happened to be the shop where I got my very first girl in Changping.
Xiao Chong and I didn’t get on very well at the start. She wouldn’t kiss me. She wouldn’t take pictures. When I asked her to leave, she called her mamasan and everything was hunky dory. :)
Xiao Chong gave me plenty of kisses & a great cat bath and spent a really long time with my dick in her mouth. She wasn’t ticklish at all and loved my vampire impersonation. By the time I’d made my way to her pussy, she was already wet, and got even wetter. She resisted my entering her fully at first, but ultimately seemed to love laowai dick.
[B][COLOR=green][SIZE=5]Xiao Jeu[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
By the time I got to Yalan, it was after 10PM and most of the pretty birds had flown. But Xiao Jeu was a cutie and a sweetie. After having dinner at Happy Together, we had a grand ‘ole time bouncing around on those soft Miraton beds. Loso was home... and he was happy. :)
Loso
To all you "Senior" Senior Members,
I was just wondering why the mommies are so young in CP (some younger than the girls they tout) while in other places they tend to be older men and women. Is there a reason for this?
Some of these young mommies are cuter than the girls working for them.....
I will be in CP from 2/3 till 2/6
-SZE
[QUOTE=Szexpat]To all you "Senior" Senior Members,
I was just wondering why the mommies are so young in CP (some younger than the girls they tout) while in other places they tend to be older men and women. Is there a reason for this?
Some of these young mommies are cuter than the girls working for them.....
I will be in CP from 2/3 till 2/6
-SZE[/QUOTE]
to SZE
You just having meet the old one yet most of them is old pro in their late thirty , Lily is young mid twenty she teach all the young how to bbbj and try to get her to do a double fly with one of her girl.
fast eddie 48
I am 99% sure I had this girl a few months back as a BBS gal in CP. Anyone else seen or tried her before?
[url]http://******.com/en/viewid.php?uid=18783&star=1[/url]
J
[QUOTE=jonnybgood]Can anyone advise where the action is around here? Went to cionese KTV and got totall ripped off by "Model" who was supposed to be 1200RMB for LT and then went for 1 pop and asked for 1500. gave her 1k and told her to get out. Any help would be appreciated as I'm here until Sunday.[/QUOTE]Just try inhouse KTV, you are fairly safe not to get ripped off there as you are hotel guest. Tried it 3 weeks ago and they also have some ok gals.
Is Lily from Yalan?
I think she is 24 & probably one of the nicest around that area
DU96
[QUOTE=Szexpat]To all you "Senior" Senior Members,
I was just wondering why the mommies are so young in CP (some younger than the girls they tout) while in other places they tend to be older men and women. Is there a reason for this?
Some of these young mommies are cuter than the girls working for them.....
I will be in CP from 2/3 till 2/6
-SZE[/QUOTE]
DU96,
Yes, Lily is from Yalan. She has moved locations and now on the second floor above the shop on the corner next to the Yalan Hotel.
All of her girls are well trained and service is excellent. I think that Wadman has probably done all of them. Lately, I've not been too impressed with the appearance of her girls though.
Just my POV.
OAH
[QUOTE=Downunder96]Is Lily from Yalan?
I think she is 24 & probably one of the nicest around that area
DU96[/QUOTE]
[b][color=green][size=5]Crackdown[/size][/color][/b]
The next afternoon, I headed for the Hui Mei area looking for my usual afternoon ST. A mamasan led me to a BBS, but nobody opened the door. Tired of waiting around, I walked away...
Another mamasan offered me a girl in the middle of the street. She was a top beauty, so I didn’t have to think twice before I got my wallet out and gave her 100 RMB. As soon as I handed her the money, some guy grabbed her shoulder, flashed his badge at me and said “Police!” At first, I thought it was a scam to relieve a laowai of 100 RMB, but the cop made the mamasan give my money back straight away. I was allowed to walk and never looked back!
[b][color=green][size=5]Miao[/size][/color][/b]
Finally, I walked over to the Jia Mei Hotel, where mamasan Xiao Fang was waiting in the lobby. There seemed to be fewer girls than usual, but I spotted one that had a feline quality. Her named was... Miao. :)
Miao had a hot little body and a great rack. She loved to model, danced her little butt off and turned out to be quite the tigress...
[b][color=green][size=5]Closed![/size][/color][/b]
Afterwards, I walked back to the Hui Mei area, hoping to meet the beauty that had escaped me. I walked the length of both alleys, but wasn’t approached by a single mamasan. Guess all the BBS were closed.
I got into a van and headed for the Yalan area. I walked into the alley next to the Silver Star Hotel, but found both BBS on the left hand side of the alley to be deserted.
[b][color=green][size=5]Huan Huan[/size][/color][/b]
As in Hui Mei, the hotel BBS was open. As in Hui Mei, the selection wasn’t all that great. I picked a tall girl with a great figure and... vampire teeth.
Huan Huan seemed really affectionate in the BBS, but turned stone cold in my room. She turned away as I tried to kiss her. She pushed me away as I was nibbling on her tits. She used her feet to the same effect as I was eating her pussy.
I was fed up with her bitchy attitude and ordered her to suck my dick, which she did. I fucked her (hard!) and send Miss Frosty on her way.
[b][color=green][size=5]Epilogue[/size][/color][/b]
I walked back to the Hui Mei area to look for a replacement, but it was still totally deserted. With the crackdown, the vampire & sleeping alone for the first time in Changping, it hadn’t been the best of days...
Loso
[QUOTE=Szexpat]To all you "Senior" Senior Members,
I was just wondering why the mommies are so young in CP (some younger than the girls they tout) while in other places they tend to be older men and women. Is there a reason for this?
Some of these young mommies are cuter than the girls working for them.....
[/QUOTE]
Ok I'm not that senior but will answer anyway.
I believe there is a tiered system with the mamas in the rooms and some of the girls running the streets. Yes some of the mamas locate themselves on the street but usually near or at the entrance to their place.
The 'young mommies' I think you are refering to I consider to be 'street touts'. There are some who are very young (one is only 18) and have never been a working girl before. The touts I have chatted to have told me they get 10RMB for each customer they find that takes a girl from their room. Yes you are right, there are certainly some cute ones out there!
For me, I am a sucker for a cute face and some of these younger street touts are very friendly. It will usually soften me up enough to agree in seeing their girls first before going to other rooms. A successful marketing strategy.
[QUOTE=Szexpat]To all you "Senior" Senior Members,
I was just wondering why the mommies are so young in CP (some younger than the girls they tout) while in other places they tend to be older men and women. Is there a reason for this?
Some of these young mommies are cuter than the girls working for them.....
I will be in CP from 2/3 till 2/6
-SZE[/QUOTE]
SZE,
Here's where your 200RMB (ST) goes:
100 => the girl you fucked
50 => the BBS owner
40 => the mummy (if they don't have Runners under them, they make the full 50)
10 => runner (touts)
Each Mummy can "employ" as many runners as they want or they can don't employ at all. As you know, although the BBSs of Yalan area are sort of cluster together, there is a distance between Swan Lake Hotel and Yalan Hotel (300metres) so mommies who are better off get to “employ” these runners.
Definitions:
Runners (Touts or Partners)
These Runners are paid by the mummy they are attached to, many a time the mommies would refer them as “My Partner”. Mommies do take days offs, In any case if they do, they may also let their “Partner” (their runners) take over the Sales. Some of these runner can be as young as 16 but not older than 20 (by the time they reach 20, they would have become a mummy themselves). Runner may one day “move up the ranks” and become mummy themselves. [B]Average income[/B] of a Runner : 50 RMB / day. . Of course this also depends on how many girls her mummy has.
Mummy (Pimps)
These mummies can either be formerly working girls (Pros) working in the BBS or formerly Runners. They are obligated to the owner of the BBS. Most of the time mommies get their girls from referrals from one of the girls already working in the BBS. They are the main “Sales Manager” of the BBS. Of course, the Owner of the BBS can be the Sales Manager too! [B]Average income[/B] of a Mummy : 500 RMB / day. Of course this also depends on how many girls she has. Mommies take 50% of the risk. If they are caught, first offender: a fine of 2000RMB and 1 day jail; second time they will be sentence to maximum of 5 days Jail and a fine of maximum 50,000. Repeated offender: Maximum Life imprisonment.
Owner
They are mostly Male. They pay the rent and operational expenses of the whole BBS. In some cases the BBS has more than one owner. ! [B]Average income[/B] of a Owner: 1000 / day. Of course it depends on how many girls he have. (Partnership). He takes the highest risk. If he is caught running the BBS; first offender: 1 month Jail and a maximum fine of 50,000. If convicted on the second time, maximum sentence: firing squat. Due to the risk, the owner/s are seldom running the show or at the BBS. Even if they are, they will not admit they are the owner.
AG
What's the fine and penalty for a working girl caught in a raid?
Bill
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]SZE,
Mummy (Pimps)
These mummies can either be formerly working girls (Pros) working in the BBS or formerly Runners. They are obligated to the owner of the BBS. Most of the time mommies get their girls from referrals from one of the girls already working in the BBS. They are the main “Sales Manager” of the BBS. Of course, the Owner of the BBS can be the Sales Manager too! [B]Average income[/B] of a Mummy : 500 RMB / day. Of course this also depends on how many girls she has. Mommies take 50% of the risk. If they are caught, first offender: a fine of 2000RMB and 1 day jail; second time they will be sentence to maximum of 5 days Jail and a fine of maximum 50,000. Repeated offender: Maximum Life imprisonment.
Owner
They are mostly Male. They pay the rent and operational expenses of the whole BBS. In some cases the BBS has more than one owner. ! [B]Average income[/B] of a Owner: 1000 / day. Of course it depends on how many girls he have. (Partnership). He takes the highest risk. If he is caught running the BBS; first offender: 1 month Jail and a maximum fine of 50,000. If convicted on the second time, maximum sentence: firing squat. Due to the risk, the owner/s are seldom running the show or at the BBS. Even if they are, they will not admit they are the owner.
AG[/QUOTE]
AG,
I knew the girl only got 100RMB for ST, but didn't know how the other 100 RMB was split up. Interesting info!
But how about the 500 RMB for LT? How is that split up?
Loso
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]What's the fine and penalty for a working girl caught in a raid?
Bill[/QUOTE]
The China law is such that they do not punish the working girls that much. First and second time offender may just get away with a couple of day Jail and third time they get escorted back to home town in which the whole of their village will be make known that she had been naughty outside their hometown (IMHO: that’s even worst than death penalty!) They don't usually fine them because the police know that they do not have the money. Even they get fine, they will not be able to pay!
The main reason why they do not punish the girls that much is because they understand that they are poor and only want to sell themselves due to that reasons. But I also heard that when they are in Jail…. They are not treated very right….. If you know what I meant….
Whilst the much stronger penalties goes to the people who are selling the girls is because, in the history of China, it had always been that way, they are basically “forcing” the girls to sell themselves.
AG
[QUOTE=Loso69]AG,
I knew the girl only got 100RMB for ST, but didn't know how the other 100 RMB was split up. Interesting info!
But how about the 500 RMB for LT? How is that split up?
Loso[/QUOTE]
The girls get to keep the whole of 400 for the LT. That is why the girls in CP will pester you to keep them overnight because:
1) They make more
2) They don't have to return to the BBS and wait for the next customer in which may never arrive.
However if it is early (before 1900hrs) and it a weekend like Friday or Sat. they would rather do one ST and return to the BBS in which they have 80% chance that they will get another customer in which they will pester them to keep them for LT.
AG
AG,
Thanks for the feedback! So a LT costs the punter 2.5 times as much as a ST (200-500), but the girl actually makes 4 times more money (100-400). Knowing that, I guess I should insist on 4 rounds in future. :)
I wouldn’t say that the CP girls pestered me to keep them LT, as that sounds negative. I’d rather say they treated me right to insure the more lucrative LT deal. As it’s in the girls’ best interests to provide good service, the system in the CP BBS actually works in our favor.
While you’re at it, could you also provide the split for KTV girls (2-5-8)? And maybe for Shenzhen BBS (150-400) and Zhuhai SW (200-x00)?
Loso
[B][COLOR=green][SIZE=5]Fong Fong... Again[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
The next day, some of the Hui Mei BBS were open again, but had relocated. A mamasan walked me to the street to the right of the Virgin Hotel. Different location, same old girls.
Fong Fong was still the best looking girl from her stable. I loved her looks and style, and figured she’d no longer have an attitude the 2nd time around.
Fong Fong remembered me and knew exactly what kind of service I expected. Plenty of kissing, great BBBJ and her tight little pussy tasted sweet as ever.
[B][COLOR=green][SIZE=5]Li Me[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
After my first ST, I figured I had time to fit in another ST. :) The BBS I visited only had 3 girls. The first 2 girls the mamasan threw in my lap weren’t the ones I wanted. She was hesitant to offer me the other girl, as she was new. But those cute dimples were damn irresistible...
Li Me was totally sweet, but not very skilled. She was only the 2nd girl in Changping to refuse to suck my dick. But her tight pussy got really wet as I was drilling her, which felt wonderful.
Li Me didn’t have a phone and asked to borrow mine. When she called her mamasan, I recognized the few words of Chinese I’d picked up along the way: “Hao ta (very big) and Hao tong (very hurt)” :)
[B][COLOR=green][SIZE=5]Wang[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
For some reason, I decided to skip Yalan today, and got LT company from Hui Mei as well. The first time I’d visited Wang’s shop, she would come over, hit me and scream as she ran away. Paradoxically, when a girl hits you, it usually means she likes you. :) But her mamasan didn’t appreciate her antics and ended up spanking her. :)
On my second visit, Wang started a charm offensive. She had a hot little body and told me (in English) that she wanted to fuck me. Wang turned out to be... Vietnamese. I never knew there were Vietnamese girls in Changping! Anyway, a feisty vixen like Wang would either be big trouble or great fun...
Wang’s tiny body, perfectly shaped tits and passionate kisses made me horny as hell. Typical of Vietnamese girls, Wang sucked a mean dick. And she loved it when I stuck my tongue deep inside her pussy. The first round was great. After dinner at a Chinese-Thai restaurant, the second round was amazing. We’d both deserved a good night’s sleep...
Loso
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]
The main reason why they do not punish the girls that much is because they understand that they are poor and only want to sell themselves due to that reasons. But I also heard that when they are in Jail…. They are not treated very right….. If you know what I meant….
AG[/QUOTE]
Prostitution in China has always been handled with great ambivalance. The great driver for it, as always, is poverty. However, there is a great deal of flow on economic activity and most law enforcers are happy to extract their cut.
Location: Sangem Goodview, Tangxia
Circumstance: Long lost rich friend from Canada (chinese), after golf and another friend with connections @ hotel
Called mamasan and manager at beginning of golf game. Much arrangements made. Conversation lasted over 20 minutes by connection.
After game, went to legit massage @ hotel (second floor) with 2 for 2 hours of very professional legit massage on second floor. Difference was this massage was done naked but masseaur were clothed. Fell asleep. Very relaxed afterwards. Given some special herbal tea, robes and headed down to President's room on the first floor. These rooms are amazing. Large bed, decent sauna, large jacuzzi and scrub table. No parade necessary as all had been arranged.
Two 10's came in to my room with mamasan. Numbers 62 and 28, both from CQ. 1 tall and slinky and one a little chunky and with a 36 rack. Thick lips, flawless skin, soft hands and feet and good teeth. Both "fresh". Accept.
Undressed (threw off gown) and into sauna. Some more herbal tea which must have been spiked with viagra because I had a hard on. Chunky one came in with me and generally played around with my body and chatting away. BBBJ in sauna. Then on to the scrub table after a quick shower. Top to toe scrub, including a brush one for feet. I never flet so clean when it finished. Lasted 30 minutes.
Then it started, with one sucking my toes and the other french kissing me. All the time shower, licks, kisses, BBBJ and anal riming, breast massage (ever had 4 breasts massaging your dick?). This lasted 30 minutes.
After, I just jumped into the hot jacuzzi (as I had requested) and 5 minutes after, on to the bed. Ever had 2 women drying you by using towels in a sandwich? Then nal cut, ear waxing and teeth brushed.
Lie down on bed. All the usuals were there but twice over. Ever had one sucking your dick and another ass riming you? One sucking your dick and another sitting on your face with a nice smelling pussy. I came with the girl only sucking me and not hard at that. CIM mouth and no drama. Afterwards, the one who sat on my face gave me a gentle suck, licking mu cum. I was in mongers' heaven.
Then they massage me with reasonable competence as I rested. More herbal tea and I was ready to go again. More sucking. Then they asked whether I wanted not to use condom and they both produced a certificate dated that day (friday) out of their little nick nack boxes, attesting they were free of a number of diseases.
What the hell. Bareback multiple positions and eventually shot my load into slinky one. Then play, shower and dressed.
From legit massage to leaving, 5 hours.
Total cost:
legit massage: 580 including tips.
Each girl: 700
Room: 780
Dinner in private room: 3 middle age men and 6 "airline hostesses" from night club. Reasonably intelligent conversation. Dinner was around 6000 because we had some French reds and New Zealand whites.
Connection insisted on me taking one from CQ back to room for the night.
I fell asleep before anything could happen.
Early morning sleepy session.
The best experience I had in 25 years of mongering and it all happened in Tangxia.
Ace,
You are a wealth of info.
One of the girls I had back in December told me that the commission for the driver (taxi/van etc) comes out of her 100 RMB, is that true?
I know most of us don't go with drivers and such, but I am just curious if she was telling the truth.
Diver
Is it 150 or 200? I've heard others getting it for 150. The street touts even offered it for 150 while walking, but I wasn't interested at that moment. Certain shops are desperate for business?
Reader 123,
Most of the time, the price is 150 RMB in this location. The hotel on the left keeps changing the room where they keep the girls, but the going rate there is 150 all the time. Some of the mamas in the small shops on the right try to get 100 + 100, but will usually settle for 50 + 100.
OAH
[QUOTE=Reader123]Is it 150 or 200? I've heard others getting it for 150. The street touts even offered it for 150 while walking, but I wasn't interested at that moment. Certain shops are desperate for business?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Reader123]Is it 150 or 200? I've heard others getting it for 150. The street touts even offered it for 150 while walking, but I wasn't interested at that moment. Certain shops are desperate for business?[/QUOTE]
Reader123,
Yes, there are a few shops that are $150 RMB behind Hei Mei but they move around all the time. There also others about 5 mins away but the quality is usually low.
There is a motocabbie I used, who brings me around CP. He brought me to a few places for $150. He gets a small commission from the $150. I don't know the amount. ( People were talking about commissions ). For the Yanlan Area that changes $200RMB, he gets $30 or $20. I don't recall the exact amount and only if I take anything. He told me there are more BBS about 15-20 mins away from downtown CP but at the time I was not interested. The guy is usually station in front of Lucky Hotel. This guy knows places because he aways brings girls back and forth from the hotels to the BBS/KTV. These CP girls usually don't take a taxi back home. He was the first who showed me about the night market for $150RMB, In other words, your place for the KTV rejects after 12am. and other places for around $40-30, ( the catacombs ). I have the guy's cell but I have to search for it.
Weelock
Chief Financial Officer
Prostitution Inc.
GuangDong, China
[QUOTE=Asian Party]Ace Gallant,
You wrote as if you work side by side with them.
What is your kickback?
AP[/QUOTE]
Hey,
I am a newbie here.
BTW what does CP stand for. I am going to be in Houjie in april. Can anyone suggest good mongering places?
Dear Bro Loso,
Was the BBS located right behind of the Miraton hotel ? I remembered there was a DVD/CD shop and then a smallish restaurant ( Man Lean - English Man u ). I remembered walking passed these shops and did not seem to see any alley.
Thanks
[QUOTE=Weelock]
There is a motocabbie I used, who brings me around CP. He brought me to a few places for $150. He gets a small commission from the $150. I don't know the amount. ( People were talking about commissions ). For the Yanlan Area that changes $200RMB, he gets $30 or $20. I don't recall the exact amount and only if I take anything. He told me there are more BBS about 15-20 mins away from downtown CP but at the time I was not interested. The guy is usually station in front of Lucky Hotel. This guy knows places because he aways brings girls back and forth from the hotels to the BBS/KTV. These CP girls usually don't take a taxi back home. He was the first who showed me about the night market for $150RMB, In other words, your place for the KTV rejects after 12am. and other places for around $40-30, ( the catacombs ). [/QUOTE]
By motocabbie you are refering to a motorbike taxi?
And once you choose a girl the three of you ride back to the hotel?
I have always used the vans as they are safe and no one can see you or the girl due to the tinted windows.
I take moto taxis in other asian countries but only when there are no other options.
Now that you know where everything is, you shouldn't need this guy.
I don't like the idea of a moto driver taking a cut from the girls
(and 20-30RMB sounds like a huge amount for what the work he has done).
[QUOTE=Azn Playa]By motocabbie you are refering to a motorbike taxi?
And once you choose a girl the three of you ride back to the hotel?
I have always used the vans as they are safe and no one can see you or the girl due to the tinted windows.
I take moto taxis in other asian countries but only when there are no other options.
Now that you know where everything is, you shouldn't need this guy.
I don't like the idea of a moto driver taking a cut from the girls
(and 20-30RMB sounds like a huge amount for what the work he has done).[/QUOTE]
For coming back with a girl, most of the time I get a private car or taxi if I find one. Cost is about $10 RMB to $15 for a private car. Now for KTV girls are dressed too nice to get onto a motobike. I always get a taxi and they are always in front of the KTV/hotel. The motobike taxi guy just drives me around from one BBS to another in CP. He shows me any new locations.
There are also danger about getting into a private van like getting kidnapped. Sorry. I'm a lot more weiry ( cautious ) than before. I now ask the girl or mamasan if they know the driver before I get in. If you got others with your, it's fine also.
Thanks to SZexpat and Laowei123 for showing me around CP this weekend. I now know where to stay and where to go for fun!
Thanks guys!
[QUOTE=Diver69]Ace,
You are a wealth of info.
One of the girls I had back in December told me that the commission for the driver (taxi/van etc) comes out of her 100 RMB, is that true?
I know most of us don't go with drivers and such, but I am just curious if she was telling the truth.
Diver[/QUOTE]
The drivers get a standard 10RMb (just like a runner would) but this share comes from the Mommies and not from the girl.
Of course there are cases where the drivers personally had hooked up with the girl themselves (likely that he is her customer too!), the driver get paid 10RMB directly from the girl/s. Such case; the girl actually made the full 190 and not just 100.
So, both case, the girl can be telling the truth or not telling the truth.
AG
[QUOTE=Loso69]AG,
While you’re at it, could you also provide the split for KTV girls (2-5-8)? And maybe for Shenzhen BBS (150-400) and Zhuhai SW (200-x00)?
Loso[/QUOTE]
Different KTVs have different policies and it differ from city to city too! It will be difficult to explain all of them, please ask me when we meet in person next time!
AG
After I came back from SZ I went to ZMTs barbecue area in downtown. When approaching this area I saw three line-ups of girls in front of a hotel. Approaching the line-up, I could see following:
Girls were insepcted by mamas of ZMT Sangem Goodview Hotel, like "slaves" were inspected in old days and animals nowadays.
The girls looked all very young, around 18/19, some younger, but in CN all girls look younger.
I passed by, and watched the scene from distance. Some girls left the scene as being "rejected" and the remaining could board the hotel bus waiting next to this scene.
So, in case somebody is looking for "fresh" girls, ZMT Sangem Goodview has some now. Chinese New Year is coming, big biz will be during this time.
What will a girl think when she get "inspected" in the public?
LW
I second that! It is an exceptional 5+ star dream sauna; however I did not have the 2 on 1 experience. I didn't even need to search for talent, the 1st one that came was a 9.5+; and I'm really picky.
[QUOTE=ManonsanBoy]Location: Sangem Goodview, Tangxia
Circumstance: Long lost rich friend from Canada (chinese), after golf and another friend with connections @ hotel
Called mamasan and manager at beginning of golf game. Much arrangements made. Conversation lasted over 20 minutes by connection.
After game, went to legit massage @ hotel (second floor) with 2 for 2 hours of very professional legit massage on second floor. Difference was this massage was done naked but masseaur were clothed. Fell asleep. Very relaxed afterwards. Given some special herbal tea, robes and headed down to President's room on the first floor. These rooms are amazing. Large bed, decent sauna, large jacuzzi and scrub table. No parade necessary as all had been arranged.
Two 10's came in to my room with mamasan. Numbers 62 and 28, both from CQ. 1 tall and slinky and one a little chunky and with a 36 rack. Thick lips, flawless skin, soft hands and feet and good teeth. Both "fresh". Accept.
Undressed (threw off gown) and into sauna. Some more herbal tea which must have been spiked with viagra because I had a hard on. Chunky one came in with me and generally played around with my body and chatting away. BBBJ in sauna. Then on to the scrub table after a quick shower. Top to toe scrub, including a brush one for feet. I never flet so clean when it finished. Lasted 30 minutes.
Then it started, with one sucking my toes and the other french kissing me. All the time shower, licks, kisses, BBBJ and anal riming, breast massage (ever had 4 breasts massaging your dick?). This lasted 30 minutes.
After, I just jumped into the hot jacuzzi (as I had requested) and 5 minutes after, on to the bed. Ever had 2 women drying you by using towels in a sandwich? Then nal cut, ear waxing and teeth brushed.
Lie down on bed. All the usuals were there but twice over. Ever had one sucking your dick and another ass riming you? One sucking your dick and another sitting on your face with a nice smelling pussy. I came with the girl only sucking me and not hard at that. CIM mouth and no drama. Afterwards, the one who sat on my face gave me a gentle suck, licking mu cum. I was in mongers' heaven.
Then they massage me with reasonable competence as I rested. More herbal tea and I was ready to go again. More sucking. Then they asked whether I wanted not to use condom and they both produced a certificate dated that day (friday) out of their little nick nack boxes, attesting they were free of a number of diseases.
What the hell. Bareback multiple positions and eventually shot my load into slinky one. Then play, shower and dressed.
From legit massage to leaving, 5 hours.
Total cost:
legit massage: 580 including tips.
Each girl: 700
Room: 780
Dinner in private room: 3 middle age men and 6 "airline hostesses" from night club. Reasonably intelligent conversation. Dinner was around 6000 because we had some French reds and New Zealand whites.
Connection insisted on me taking one from CQ back to room for the night.
I fell asleep before anything could happen.
Early morning sleepy session.
The best experience I had in 25 years of mongering and it all happened in Tangxia.[/QUOTE]
[b][color=green][size=5]More Crackdowns[/size][/color][/b]
The next day, I was approached by the mamasan from Fong Fong’s shop again. But I’d already fucked all the girls I wanted from her shop and had no interest in going back. She wouldn’t give up and insisted on calling a girl that would be to my liking. As she was waiting for her to show, a van pulled up, two guys wearing green uniforms got out and arrested her. Luckily, she wasn’t detained for long. She was back on the streets later that same day.
Since a laowai sticks out like a sore thumb in China and since there were police officers patrolling the area, the mamasans were hesitant to approach me after seeing their colleague being carted off...
[b][color=green][size=5]Xiao Lin[/size][/color][/b]
Even with the crackdown, the Jia Mei Hotel was always a safe bet. Xiao Lin had a funky look and seemed to be into laowais. I knew she’d treat me right!
Xiao Lin jumped my bones as soon as we reached my room and turned out to be ultra-horny. She was the only girl I met in China who displayed visible signs of childbirth, but her performance definitely made up for that. Passionate kisses, great cat bath, amazing BBBJ and a monster fuck. Every little thing she did was magic...
[b][color=green][size=5]Xiao Ping[/size][/color][/b]
That night at Yalan, business seemed to be back to normal. Not that I visited many shops, as the first mamasan who approached me took me to just the shop I wanted to visit.
Xiao Ping was the girl who kept Reader123 company on his final night in Changping and high on my to-do list. She remembered me and when I told her that my friend had gone home, she was happy to accompany me.
At Harper’s with Reader123, Xiao Ping had requested Emilia’s Big Big World. When we found it on an Internet site, she was singing along, even though she didn’t understand the English lyrics. Xiao Ping also loved to model & dance and was wonderful company.
When we finally made it to the bed, it felt great as Xiao Ping wrapped her sultry lips around my dick. But fucking her was a bizarre experience. I felt as if I was squeezing my dick between two bones. After 2 rounds, my dick actually hurt!
When I burnt her a CD with her pictures, Xiao Ping wanted to go home, but I insisted she stay until noon. When she woke me up in the afternoon, my dick was still sore and I refrained from dipping my stick into that deadly pussy again. I don’t think I’ve ever met a girl so tight she could actually do damage to my dick!
Loso
I’m surprised nobody commented when I reported about a Vietnamese girl in CP. I couldn’t find any references to Vietnamese girls in the Dongguan section and Johnnykon couldn’t believe there were Vietnamese girls in CP when I told him about Wang. When she transferred to the stable of a mamasan he knows, Johnnykon became a believer. Apparently, there are others too...
How do Chinese mongers feel about Vietnamese girls? BTW, Wang speaks Chinese but cannot write it.
Loso
[QUOTE=Loso69]I’m surprised nobody commented when I reported about a Vietnamese girl in CP. I couldn’t find any references to Vietnamese girls in the Dongguan section and Johnnykon couldn’t believe there were Vietnamese girls in CP when I told him about Wang. When she transferred to the stable of a mamasan he knows, Johnnykon became a believer. Apparently, there are others too...
How do Chinese mongers feel about Vietnamese girls? BTW, Wang speaks Chinese but cannot write it.
Loso[/QUOTE]Think that there are some Viets who are smokin hot. But plenty who are just so-so. Have had a few back in the US. But they were older and well, a man has got to do what a man has got to do (ie. Not too many other options). Weird thing is I keep expecting them to say "GI go boom boom" and sort of wrecks the whole experience.
Seriously though. If I were targeting Vietnamese. Um. I'd go to Vietnam. It's only a 2hr flight or so to HCMC from HK.
I'd probably target a Vietnamese before I'd target a Thai. Just because they tend to me more "Chinese-like". I know that there are plenty of Thai girls who are "Chinese-like", ie. Whiter skin. But seems like there are more Vietnamese of this sort. And those dresses that they wear (what're they called? Sort of like a Vietnamese version of a Cheongsam/Qipao). Get's me all hot and bothered. Have been dying to go to Vietnam for ages. Gotta find some time to make the trip.
If Wang can speak chinese, she's most likely VBC (Vietnamese Born Chinese). Chinese parents but grew up in Vietnam.
DU96
[QUOTE=Loso69]I’m surprised nobody commented when I reported about a Vietnamese girl in CP. I couldn’t find any references to Vietnamese girls in the Dongguan section and Johnnykon couldn’t believe there were Vietnamese girls in CP when I told him about Wang. When she transferred to the stable of a mamasan he knows, Johnnykon became a believer. Apparently, there are others too...
How do Chinese mongers feel about Vietnamese girls? BTW, Wang speaks Chinese but cannot write it.
Loso[/QUOTE]
I was there 3 years ago during New Year. They sure improved since I was there.
There is a girl on the 2nd floor BBS/KTV/bar across the street from the Yalan Hotel that speaks Vietnamese. Whether she is ethnic Chinese or not, I'm not sure. She spoke Cantonese too, so it is likely she is VBC.
FYI, for those that are into Vietnamese.
[QUOTE=Downunder96]If Wang can speak chinese, she's most likely VBC (Vietnamese Born Chinese). Chinese parents but grew up in Vietnam.
DU96[/QUOTE]
Crazier told me that he saw one in a shop behind Hui Mei during his stay in January / New Year. Went with him to this shop some days later, but she was not present.
He saw her in one of the first shop, even not the first one, when you approach this alley from JiaMei Hotel.
LW
PS: Just being curious: Something special with vietnamese girls? Service quality?
[QUOTE=Loso69]I’m surprised nobody commented when I reported about a Vietnamese girl in CP. I couldn’t find any references to Vietnamese girls in the Dongguan section and Johnnykon couldn’t believe there were Vietnamese girls in CP when I told him about Wang. When she transferred to the stable of a mamasan he knows, Johnnykon became a believer. Apparently, there are others too...
How do Chinese mongers feel about Vietnamese girls? BTW, Wang speaks Chinese but cannot write it.
Loso[/QUOTE]
I read a report awhile back ago about how Chinese men in the province's that border Vietnam who "border jump" to bring girls back one way or another as wifes, sex slaves, etc.. I also know some girls in my business who are half Korean/Chinese. Overall, this is does not seem so surprising.
I was in GZ a few weeks ago and banged a massage girl from Xinjiang AR who looked almost like a laowai, found out half her family is of Russian decent, but she was born and raised in China.
-SZE
[QUOTE=Laowai123]
PS: Just being curious: Something special with vietnamese girls? Service quality?[/QUOTE]
Yes indeed they are very special.
Takes a while to understand them though - you can't expect magic the first VN girl you ever get with. Living there certainly helps.
Throughout my experiences, the best VN girls I have been with, turned out to be the best Asian girls I've ever had.
I am becoming rather spoiled at the quality, quantity and enthusiasm of girls in CP and have now concluded it is money well spent rather than wasting it on robots in Shenzhen who just mechanically bang you.
Arrived Saturday night in CP with my wingman (Mr. J), my colleague, and the newly arrived in China, but senior monger Sukhumvitter. An associate of mine had arranged for us to meet him at a KTV called the “Taoyuan Recreation Town” at the Jiayi Hotel. I had never been to this KTV (personally can’t stand the crap music and folks who think they can sing), but was amazed at the massive amount of girls that greeted us when we entered (overall, must have been around 200 or more we saw throughout the night).
I was quite pleased with the honey that latched onto me when we were going to meet my associate and decided to keep her. Within an hour of arriving, I got a call from Laowai123 who was also in CP and wanted to meet us, since Sukhumvitter had never been to CP and was itching to see the “stables”, Laowai123 was very gracious to offer to give him the tour since I was obligated to stay at the KTV (was not disappointed considering we had about 10 girls in our room).
After hours of listening to people trying to sing and having a liar’s dice battle of the sexes with the mommy (we both ended up shit faced) I was in a drunken stupor and horny as hell! We decided it was time to head over to the hotel that had been prearranged for us called the Versailles Hotel (pretty nice place, but close to nothing). Inside the room I devoured this girl and hammered her with my drunk dick before finally collapsing, woke up the next morning and got a nice BBBJ CIM to make me forget about the damn hangover I had.
Name: CRS (Can’t Remember Shit), but I named her Lisa and she seemed to approve (my new hobby is giving them English names which I’m sure they forget once I pay them for their services).
Age: 22
Province: Hubei of course
Body: solid 9
Skills: 9 I can remember Mish, Doggy, Asian Cowgirl, DATY, DFK, BBBJ CIM
Damage: 800 rmb
I have her mobile if anyone (who contributes) wants to have a go at it, PM me.
Sunday: With a massive hangover and not getting out of bed till noon, decided to stay another night at the same hotel (besides my wingman was still OOC), said goodbye to Lisa and rolled into downtown to meet Sukhumvitter and Laowai123 (this hotel provides free shuttle service to and from). After meeting these guys and being introduced to another monger who goes by “Sammy or Sammie” (I think he lurks) we all decided to do a tour of the stables.
After being sexually harassed by the mommies, I found a sweet little thing behind the Yalin, who caught my eye immediately. This little sweetie was so good, I kept her the next day as well and was more than pleased with the service.
Monday: Checked into the Lucky Hotel (my fav for the price) and just bummed around town, ate and had more sex......a perfect Monday!
Name: Liuyan (Helen)
Age: 18
Province: Hubei (see a trend here?)
Body: 7 (tiny little thing)
Skills: 9 (she used to be a 2nd wife for 2 years to a HK guy (do the math))
Damage: 500 rmb per (100 mommy, 400 girl)
My wingman, Mr. J, ended up keeping his KTV girl (Hubei as well) for the first two days, but after she left him we made our way over to the Yalin once again where he chose a honey (also 18) to take care of him for the final night in town.
We are planning on being back in CP next Sunday for 2 days, to hookup with Laowai123 and do some more mongering if anyone wants to meet.
Santa, I am trying damn hard to steal your title out there, even JoJo thinks so, so you had better get back soon!
-SZE
[QUOTE=Laowai123]Crazier told me that he saw one in a shop behind Hui Mei during his stay in January / New Year. Went with him to this shop some days later, but she was not present.
He saw her in one of the first shop, even not the first one, when you approach this alley from JiaMei Hotel.
LW
PS: Just being curious: Something special with vietnamese girls? Service quality?[/QUOTE]
My Viet GF (non WL) is the only girl to make me nut 4 times over a 12 hour span and given that she was all of 31 then and only a 4.5/10; that says something about Viet girls and sex. There were others (generally good f***s) who were WLs in Saigon and Singapore but, my "sample" is too small to generalise.
In CP., Papasan Kent whose BBS shop is behind the Huei Mei Hotel (one of the first few as you enter that back alley opposite the small hotel (name forgotton) where you have the BBS in room 3** often has at least a couple of Viet girls. For me, it seems silly to be taking a Viet girl in China! Then, if you have not tried, why not for a different flavour.
Fucking a Vietnamese girl was nothing special for me. I’ve easily fucked 100 Vietnamese girls in Cambodia (the best place for Vietnamese girls) and have also been to Vietnam. The hottest Vietnamese babes can be found in Macau. But fucking a Vietnamese girl in mainland China was special.
BTW, Wang later transferred to the BBS at the Jia Mei Hotel.
Loso
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The second phase of the fair is from April 25 to April 30, 2007.
From past experience, can anybody tell me if this fair has any effect on the normal operating situation in CP?
I am not sure if I should come back during that time.
Bill
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]From past experience, can anybody tell me if this fair has any effect on the normal operating situation in CP?
I am not sure if I should come back during that time.
Bill[/QUOTE]Some hotels in DG have higher prices during Canton Fair - please don't ask me which hotels, I read this and some hotel staff tolde me, but I forgot which one. If also in CP I have to check out, maybe some "Seniors" here can give feedback concerning regular hotels in CP or DG.
Anyway you should expect that foreigner during Canton Fair are more seen as people with money, especially in GZ. I highly recommend to come after the fair. During fair, the trains are crowded and you can expect that there is more "customer entertainment" in areas like DG, like regular weekends.
LW
Bill,
I can only tell you the effects in so far as KTVs are concerned, as I don't use streetwalkers.
The KTVs in CP during the GZ fair have been packed the last two years for me. There were a lot of visitors around. Rooms were in high demand, and the girls would try to ask for higher prices. They didn't get em from me, but it didn't stop them from asking.
'lad
The last day of the "second phase" of the Canton Fair is April 30th. How much of an effect that it will have on the days following the last day of the fair?
Should I push my incoming date a week further? My incoming date is April 29th.
I don't do KTV but it's a guage for other places that I plan on going to, such as Yalan and Hua Mei.
I guess I should check on the Miraton prices too for that week.
Thanks,
Bill
Some hotels in DG have higher prices during Canton Fair - please don't ask me which hotels, I read this and some hotel staff tolde me, but I forgot which one. If also in CP I have to check out, maybe some "Seniors" here can give feedback concerning regular hotels in CP or DG.
Anyway you should expect that foreigner during Canton Fair are more seen as people with money, especially in GZ. I highly recommend to come after the fair. During fair, the trains are crowded and you can expect that there is more "customer entertainment" in areas like DG, like regular weekends.
LW
[QUOTE=Legal Lad]Bill,
I can only tell you the effects in so far as KTVs are concerned, as I don't use streetwalkers.
The KTVs in CP during the GZ fair have been packed the last two years for me. There were a lot of visitors around. Rooms were in high demand, and the girls would try to ask for higher prices. They didn't get em from me, but it didn't stop them from asking.
'lad[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]The last day of the "second phase" of the Canton Fair is April 30th. How much of an effect that it will have on the days following the last day of the fair?
Should I push my incoming date a week further? My incoming date is April 29th.
I don't do KTV but it's a guage for other places that I plan on going to, such as Yalan and Hua Mei.
I guess I should check on the Miraton prices too for that week.
Thanks,
Bill
Some hotels in DG have higher prices during Canton Fair - please don't ask me which hotels, I read this and some hotel staff tolde me, but I forgot which one. If also in CP I have to check out, maybe some "Seniors" here can give feedback concerning regular hotels in CP or DG.
Anyway you should expect that foreigner during Canton Fair are more seen as people with money, especially in GZ. I highly recommend to come after the fair. During fair, the trains are crowded and you can expect that there is more "customer entertainment" in areas like DG, like regular weekends.
LW[/QUOTE]
"Pushing my incoming date a week further after April 29".
A side note, the first week of May is a national holiday. I believe all hotels and some transportation will raise their rates. The Canton fair ONLY effects Canton area for prices. But the hoilday effects all of China including HK and Macau. CP might be far enough so it might not be effected as much during the fair, but not during the national holiday. It's best to check.
For example, I was in Macau and found 3 stars hotels 900-1100HKD during this time. It was a big suprise to me since they normal go for only 350 to 450HKD.
[b][color=green][size=5]Xiao Yeun[/size][/color][/b]
At Hui Mei the next afternoon, a mamasan led me to a BBS I hadn’t been to before, in the alley to the left of the Jia Mei Hotel. Maybe they’d relocated there after the crackdown, but I didn’t recognize any of the girls either.
Anyway, there were about 10 girls, with quite a few cuties. My favorite was Xiao Yeun and we were soon headed for my room, where she turned out to be a good, if not spectacular, performer.
[b][color=green][size=5]Johnnykon[/size][/color][/b]
As I had plans to meet Johnnykon (from Zhuhai) for dinner, I went back to Hui Mei and made reservations for a Jia Mei Hotel beauty to spend the night with me.
After having dinner with Johnnykon and a laowai friend of his from Guangzhou, we all headed for Yalan. At the first BBS we visited, I was pinned to the bench by two girls, one of which was damn cute. I had a blast, but finally had to wrestle myself out... I already had a date. :)
Our next stop was the hotel BBS. I’d already fucked quite a few girls from that particular BBS, but spotted a beauty I hadn’t taken for a spin yet. Xiao Ching was simply irresistible and when Johnnykon said that I could meet my LT girl any time, I decided to give into temptation.
[b][color=green][size=5]Xiao Ching[/size][/color][/b]
Xiao Ching was another girl with a simply spectacular body. A tiny waistline combined with perky C-cup tits make my eyes pop every time. On top of that, Xiao Ching was a natural beauty who wasn’t wearing any make-up whatsoever. It doesn’t get much better than this!
The service was magnificent as well. Xiao Ching was kissing me from the word go. Her BBBJ was deep and the fact that she kept eye contact made it even more stimulating. Her pussy was so tight, I needed extra lubrication to be able to penetrate her, even though she was naturally wet . But once I was in there, it was a comfortable fit. When she started passionately French kissing me as I was deep inside her, I was in heaven!
[b][color=green][size=5]Sungi[/size][/color][/b]
Sungi was the beauty from the Jia Mei Hotel I’d made an advance booking for. But it was 2AM by the time I was ready to see her, and her mamasan was unable to contact her. Her other girls had already turned off their phones as well...
If I’d known that in advance, I’d never have let my darling Xiao Ching go. I was heartbroken to see her leave anyway...
[b][color=green][size=5]Xiao Yeu[/size][/color][/b]
Since spending my last night alone would have been an anti-climax to a great trip, I was determined to find myself a replacement for Sungi. I braved the cold Chinese winter winds as I walked back to the Hui Mei area... to find a single mamasan sitting in the grocery shop.
She made a few phone calls, but was only able to find a single girl who was both available and still awake at 3AM on a Friday night. Considering the circumstances, Xiao Yeu was surprisingly cute. And she was holding me so tight...
My final China Doll turned out to be a top performer as well, as she was both passionate and horny as hell. After a great session, she slept like a baby as I was converting my final pictures and backing up the last batch of my collection.
Xiao Yeu wasn’t allowed to sleep for all that long, as she was rudely awakened by my alarm at 10AM. After my final romp in the hay, it was time to pack my bags and check out...
The flash shoe on my camera had been loose for most of this trip. While I was taking pictures of Xiao Yeu, it finally broke off. Since I had to hold my flash and carefully position it to make contact, it took an eternity to get just a few pictures of Xiao Yeu. Luckily, she was a patient girl.
[b][color=green][size=5]Going Home?[/size][/color][/b]
I’d just discovered a new BBS in Hui Mei with plenty of cuties. Even though it was near closing time on a Friday night, there were still many girls I wanted to try from Yalan. I wasn’t ready to leave Changping yet...
Staying longer would also have given me the opportunity to hook up with Logos in Shenzhen, MongerX in Jakarta and Mariachi in AC. After all, I wouldn’t be starting work for another month...
I was traveling on a cheap plane ticket (W class), which was only valid for 30 days and would have been prohibitively expensive to change. But I could have gotten a cheap one way ticket from Bangkok to Germany with LTU...
I was still undecided whether I’d be taking off from HKIA the next day. But my flash shoe breaking off on my final night was an omen I couldn’t ignore...
Loso
Thanks for your brilliant reports, its a pleasure to read it.
Hope to met you in real, at once.
But please dont go at an lovel lever, especially when you attecked from some others.
Have fun
GS
DOes that mean we won't be able enjoy your fascinating CP report with quality pictures?
Mark Knopfler will take over with his fine music...
DU96
[QUOTE=Loso69][b][color=green][size=5]Xiao Yeun[/size][/color][/b]
I was still undecided whether I’d be taking off from HKIA the next day. But my flash shoe breaking off on my final night was an omen I couldn’t ignore...
Loso[/QUOTE]
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[B][COLOR=green][SIZE=5]Getting There[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]From Zhuhai[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
When I arrived at the bus station at the end of LHL, across from the underground shopping mall that leads to the border crossing to Macau, I noticed a parked bus with a sign outside reading Dongguan (in English). But when I went to buy a ticket, the girl told me that bus didn’t stop in Changping.
Johnnykon explained that Dongguan is a district and that Changping is one of the towns in that district. Buses marked Dongguan may or may not stop in Changping.
Anyway, the girl from the ticket counter asked a security guard to show me the way to another bus station. When you look across the street, the shopping mall is off to your right. Look to your left and you’ll see more parked buses. This 2nd bus station has frequent buses to Changping for 70 RMB.
The bus made several short stops along the highway to let people off, but never pulled into a bus station. I was dropped off along the highway as well and took a metered taxi to the Miraton Hotel for 15 RMB.
[B][COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]To/From Shenzhen[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
The Dongguan train station is actually in Changping. There are frequent trains between Shenzhen and Changping for 35 RMB (30 minutes).
[B][COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]To/From HKIA[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=purple][SIZE=3]Eternal East Bus Experience[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
To get from Changping to HKIA, I took the Eternal East Bus, which I booked at the Miraton Hotel (160 RMB, although the ticket says 200 HKD).
- A minivan picked me up right outside the Miraton Hotel and brought us to the Good View Hotel, a luxury resort in Zhangmutou (aka ZMT aka Little Hong Kong).
- From there, a bus brought us to the border crossing at Lok Ma Chau Port.
* Immigration papers were handed out on the bus, as well as a complimentary bottle of water.
- You have to queue up to get stamped out of China and go through customs (with your luggage).
- After passing through Chinese immigration, I transferred to another minivan.
- They gathered our passports in the minivan and we passed through Hong Kong immigration without getting out.
- The minivan continued to HKIA.
- The journey took 2h15m.
[B][COLOR=purple][SIZE=3]Eternal East Bus Information[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
Unfortunately, their web site is only in Chinese:
[url]http://www.eebus.com[/url]
But their brochure is bilingual Chinese/English. The schedule and location of the EE service kiosk A08 in HKIA have been attached.
[B][COLOR=green][SIZE=5]Hotel[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]Miraton Hotel[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=purple][SIZE=3]Website[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
[url]http://www.miratonhotel.com/english/main-e.htm[/url]
[B][COLOR=purple][SIZE=3]Room Rates[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
The room rate for standard rooms is 328 RMB Sunday-Thursday and 358 RMB on Friday and Saturday. The corporate rate is 30 RMB cheaper.
[B][COLOR=purple][SIZE=3]Rooms[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
The rooms at the Miraton come with all the mod cons you’d expect from a 4 star hotel. The soft king size bed invites you to bounce up and down. :) The safe is large enough to store all your valuables. The free Internet connection gives unrestricted access and allows you to post live reports on your favorite monger sites.
The bathroom features both a bathtub and a shower cubicle large enough for three or four people. The bathroom mirror never fogs up. And when I got home, I was surprised when the lights didn’t switch on automatically as I entered my bathroom. :)
[B][COLOR=purple][SIZE=3]Various[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
The room rate includes breakfast for two. Unfortunately, the breakfast buffet, which features both Chinese and Western food, closes at 10.30 AM. Way too early for a night owl like me!
English is spoken at reception.
The lifts are situated on the side of the building and offer views of Changping.
[B][COLOR=purple][SIZE=3]Conclusion[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
The rooms are excellent. The service is excellent. The Miraton Hotel is a class act and comes highly recommended if it’s within your budget.
[B][COLOR=green][SIZE=5]Restaurants[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]Happy Together[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
I took quite a few girls to dinner at Happy Together, across the street from the Hui Mei Hotel. You sit in swings, which is both fun and romantic. The girls also seemed to like the little fortune telling machines (1 RMB).
They serve both Chinese and Western food and prices are reasonable.
[B][COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]McDonald’s[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
To my surprise, some Chinese girls seemed to like McDonald’s. You can find one just across the street from the Miraton Hotel.
[B][COLOR=green][SIZE=5]Transport[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
There are metered taxis in Changping, but there are infinitely more unmarked minivans, which will take you most places in town (Yalan, Swan Lake, Xinde) for 15 RMB. Places further away (like Xin Don Tai) can set you back 25 RMB.
A cheaper alternative to get to places like Yalan on your own are the motorbike taxis, which only cost 5 RMB (7 RMB for 2 people).
[B][COLOR=green][SIZE=5]ATMs[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
The ATM next to McDonald’s will give you 2000 RMB per transaction. The Bank of China ATM is further away, but will give you 2500 RMB at a time. You’ll find it by walking past the Hui Mei Hotel until you reach a major intersection. The Bank of China ATM is on the other side of the street.
Loso
I would just like to say how much I have enjoyed reading Loso69 reports, excellent quality and detail throughout, they are a credit to him.
Hey Loso,
Great reports and brings back some memories of CP...and especially adding all your stylized pics, your reports have become like crack for the ISG members! You better keep posting more pics (and I know you have 100s per gal, ha ha...) or a lot of members will start showing withdrawl symptoms!
And for those of you who have never met Loso, his collection of pictures is...astounding. I mean, he has fucked a lot of WGs and he has taken A LOT of pics. Wait, I mean he has taken a FUCKING LOT of pics. You could browse for hours and you couldn't go through them all.
Loso, on a side note, my assistant mamasan freebie (Xiao Qing) situation went from "OK-I-guess" to "what the fuck am I doing?!" in about 3 weeks. It was difficult as shit to really get it through her head that I didn't want to see her again...too much of a nice guy. But anyway, thanks for visiting her BBS, fucking her girls, and playing jokes on her. She actually left CP and is working in a clothing shop in Foshan now. She even dropped by ZH for a "surprise" one-day visit recently but I had to counter with a "suprise" no answering of her phone calls that day.
J
Hello Everyone:
First, I would like to thank International Sex Guide. What a wonderful forum. I plan my trips based on it(thailand and china)
I have been starting making Dongguan my destination, but I want to ask how do you guys logged into this website while you are in China? I tried to log on from a hotel in shenzhen, It doesnt allow me to log in.
When I was in Changping, I stayed in Lucky Hotel. I guess you can choose between Lion, Lucky or Hui Mei. The only think I didnt like about lucky is that it seems the evelator is on the 3rd floor, and you have to take the escalator up.
As for Hui Mai, I think the main entrance and lobby is to open, and the counter was right there. Anybody ever had problem with Hui Mei?
I feel bad that I did not get online to see who is here in Changping when I was here. I was in the Internet Cafe between huimei and lucky.. I did this solo but I think its definitley more fun with a group.
One note: When I was living in lucky, you have like 10 mamasan waiting outside. So if you are a man walking alone, everyone gathers upon you. Fun for the first few times, but I am always scared consider its on a very popular street.
I am also surprised there is so little post on Houjie. My friend in shenzhen told me this place. I think if you want sauna, Houjie it is. BBS, goto changping
As for travelling to Changping. I think bus is more efficient, the bus stop is like 2 blocks away from lion, lucky hotel.
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[QUOTE=Prince Darkness]Hello Everyone:
First, I would like to thank International Sex Guide. What a wonderful forum. I plan my trips based on it(thailand and china)
I have been starting making Dongguan my destination, but I want to ask how do you guys logged into this website while you are in China? I tried to log on from a hotel in shenzhen, It doesnt allow me to log in.
When I was in Changping, I stayed in Lucky Hotel. I guess you can choose between Lion, Lucky or Hui Mei. The only think I didnt like about lucky is that it seems the evelator is on the 3rd floor, and you have to take the escalator up.
As for Hui Mai, I think the main entrance and lobby is to open, and the counter was right there. Anybody ever had problem with Hui Mei?
I feel bad that I did not get online to see who is here in Changping when I was here. I was in the Internet Cafe between huimei and lucky.. I did this solo but I think its definitley more fun with a group.
One note: When I was living in lucky, you have like 10 mamasan waiting outside. So if you are a man walking alone, everyone gathers upon you. Fun for the first few times, but I am always scared consider its on a very popular street.
I am also surprised there is so little post on Houjie. My friend in shenzhen told me this place. I think if you want sauna, Houjie it is. BBS, goto changping
As for travelling to Changping. I think bus is more efficient, the bus stop is like 2 blocks away from lion, lucky hotel.
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Just a few comments about your post:
1. There are many more hotels to choose from than just these 3 (Miraton, Virgin, Yalin, etc.) I prefer the Lucky Hotel, so most of my reports will be written from this place. The escalator does not seems such a concern, if your worried about a "Walk of Shame" so to speak, this would actually provide you a cover because who knows if your going into the hotel or the restaurants situated on the 2 floor as well?
2. No problems from my friends who stayed at the Hui Mei, actually no problems reported at ANY of the hotels.....if you are shy about you're hobby or feel the staff is watching you, then maybe places like the Miraton should be avoided due to the long walk.
3. Yes, some places including the Internet Cafe do use IP blocks to certain websites, like ISG. I tried to access it from the Internet Cafe as well and was forbidden.
4. For me, I like having a wingman because I am a big, white laowai who does not speak much Chinese. If you are Asian you should not have as many problems.
5. One of the MAIN reasons guys go to CP is to have sex, so of course there is mommies outside the hotel, the hotel does not prevent WG's from going into the hotels and the cities economy does quite well off the sex trade. Every hotel I have seen in CP has at least one mommy lurking around it.
Though it is hard to believe, some guys have never heard of ISG so, they don't know the secrets and hot spots everyone reports on. They rely on the mommies to escort them into the stables and show them the girls.
If you think the mommies at the Lucky Hotel are bad, try staying at the Yalin Hotel, now that's fun. I have actually become friends with several of the mommies (even shagged 2 of them) now, I am treated as a VIP, be nice to them and they will be nice to you......
6. I agree about the bus, after the train problems in SZ started about a month ago, I took the bus and now prefer it over the train.
I often go to CP so if you ever want to meet up for coffee or go looking around, send me a PM.
-SZE
[B][COLOR=green][SIZE=5]Disclaimer[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
This report was written by, and from the perspective of a middle-aged white guy who doesn’t speak a word of Chinese. If you’re ethnic Chinese, black..., you may have completely different experiences. My report is probably only relevant for fellow laowais.
[B][COLOR=green][SIZE=5]Timing[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
I was in Changping:
November 15 - November 22 (8 nights)
November 27 - December 1 (5 nights)
[b]Total:[/b] 13 nights
[B][COLOR=green][SIZE=5]Statistics[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
During my 13-day stay in Changping, I had:
ST: 18
LT: 12
Girls: 29
Those are the kind of statistics I’m looking for. Near perfection!
[B][COLOR=green][SIZE=5]BBS Locations[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]Hui Mei BBS[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=purple][SIZE=3]From the Miraton Hotel[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
If you’re staying at the Miraton Hotel, turn left as you walk out of the hotel lobby. On the next corner, you’ll see the Virgin Hotel. On the opposite corner, you’ll spot the Hui Mei Hotel. As you’re walking towards the square/park in between the Virgin and Hui Mei hotels, you’re sure to be approached by the mamasans’ runners.
The runners will show you the way, but most of the BBS are situated in an alley leaning to the left on the Hui Mei side of the square. There are also BBS in the alley to the right of the main alley, in the Jia Mei Hotel and in the alley turning left in front of the Jia Mei Hotel.
You don’t need to know the exact location of the BBS – they change anyway. As long as you’re in the right area, someone will find you. And as soon as you leave one BBS, someone will be ready to take you to the next place.
[B][COLOR=purple][SIZE=3]Jia Mei Hotel[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
If you’re not staying in the area and the van driver seems baffled by the laowai pronunciation of Hui Mei, you can show him the attached business card of the Jia Mei Hotel, which is right at the heart of the Hui Mei BBS area.
Unfortunately, the attached map is only in Chinese. It was actually the same color as the business card, but since the contrast was too low after scanning it, I isolated the blue channel. The black dot with the stylized letters JM inside is the Jia Mei Hotel. The black dot with a circle around it should be the Virgin Hotel. The main BBS area is the alley leaning to the left.
Room 216 at the Jia Mei Hotel is also one of the best stocked BBS in Hui Mei. Someone is usually waiting in the hotel lobby to take prospective customers up to the room. Mamasan Xiao Qing was young, tiny and cute, and always wore a tuxedo. :) According to Johnnykon, she’s left town...
[B][COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]Yalan BBS[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
The Yalan BBS is not walking distance from the Miraton Hotel, so you’ll need a van (15 RMB) or motorcycle (5 RMB) to get there. Everybody knows where Yalan is, but if the driver fails to understand where you want to go, you can show him the Silver Star Hotel business card.
The Silver Star Hotel is opposite the Yalan Hotel and holds one of the best stocked BBS in Yalan. The alley to the left of the Silver Star Hotel features a few more houses. There are plenty more BBS in the alley behind the Yalan Hotel... the whole area is basically littered with BBS.
As at Hui Mei, the runners will try and entice you to visit their shop and if you don’t find your dream girl in one shop, it won’t be long before someone is pulling you towards the next place.
[B][COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]Swan Lake Hotel[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
The Swan Lake Hotel is just a few minutes walking from the Yalan Hotel. Their business card has been attached.
On the 2nd floor of this hotel, you’ll find about 5-6 rooms full of Chinese beauties dressed in elegant evening gowns waiting to accompany you...
[B][COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]Night Market[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
To get to the Night Market, show the driver the business card attached to a previous post and point to the Li Hua Hotel.
According to Ace Gallant, most of the girls at the Night Market are KTV rejects.
[B][COLOR=green][SIZE=5]BBS Observations[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]Statistics[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
Hui Mei: 14 ST ; 3 LT ; 16 girls
Yalan: 3 ST ; 8 LT ; 11 girls
Swan Lake: 1 ST
Night Market: 1 LT
Most days, I had a ST, followed by a LT. Most of my ST girls were from Hui Mei. Most of the LT girls were from Yalan. There’s no particular reason for that, apart from the fact that Hui Mei was closer to my hotel.
[B][COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]Review[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
Yalan, where some of the BBS have 20+ girls, has the largest selection in town. Hui Mei is a close second. I couldn’t really choose between them. I generally didn’t have any problem finding suitable company in either BBS area.
I only visited the Swan Lake Hotel once. After being turned down by 2 girls, I settled for my 3rd choice. Maybe it was just a coincidence. Or maybe the fancy dresses inspire the stuck-up attitude.
I only had one girl from the Night Market as well. This area merited a return visit, but I never got round to it.
[B][COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]Opening Hours[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
Except for the Night Market, the BBS open around 3PM and close at midnight. As its name implies, the Night Market doesn’t get going before 9PM and is your best bet when you’re looking for company after midnight.
[B][COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]Prices[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
Prices are pretty standard in the Changping BBS, at 200 RMB ST and 500 RMB LT.
One place in Yalan, where the girls wear fancy dresses similar to the Swan Lake Hotel girls, is more expensive than the others (300-600 RMB).
Once again, the Night Market is the big exception, as it’s a little cheaper (150-400 RMB).
[B][COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]Split-Up[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
Ace Gallant, who’s a fountain of information on the Chinese P4P scene, recently provided information on how your money is split up.
You generally pay 100 RMB to the mamasan. That money is split up as follows:
- 50 RMB to the BBS owner.
- 40 RMB to the mamasan.
- 10 RMB to the runner, who brings you to the BBS.
* If there’s no runner involved, the runner’s cut goes to the mamasan.
The balance is paid to the girl, as she’s leaving, and is hers to keep. This means that the Changping BBS girls make 100 RMB for a ST and 400 RMB for a LT!
[B][COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]ST vs. LT[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
When you take a girl from a BBS, you don’t have to specify whether you’re taking her ST or LT. Since the LT deal is so much more lucrative, it’s in the girl’s best interests to provide good service to convince you to keep her overnight. The girls actually have to earn the LT gig!
Analyzing the system often goes a long way in explaining why some places are good and others are bad. Places where the girls have an incentive to provide good service are often the best. The system at the Changping BBS works in the punter’s favor, which explains why the girls generally provide great service. It also explains why there wasn’t a single girl who declined my invitation to spend the night, unlike in Zhuhai and Shenzhen.
[B][COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]Mamasans[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
The BBS mamasans will often stuff their business card in your hand, so you can contact them. As I don’t speak Chinese, they were no use to me, but I still have a whole collection of them. I've attached a few examples.
[B][COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]Disinterested?[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
When you visit a BBS, the mamasan will often throw girls in your lap, which may or may not be the girls you actually want to meet. Don’t be afraid to point out who you’re interested in. This can be done subtly, by trying to establish eye contact with your dream girl, which the mamasan will pick up on. You can also be more direct and describe her (if you speak the language or are accompanied by someone who does) or even point her out.
As you’re surveying the talent, you might think that many of the girls look disinterested. At first, I thought that was because I was a laowai, until I noticed similar behavior towards Chinese customers.
Don’t be deceived by appearances. Some girls that seemed totally disinterested were suddenly all smiles once they found out they were the chosen one. Maybe they were just shy. Maybe it was fear of rejection. But the fact that a girl seems reserved should not discourage you from picking her. If she doesn’t give you the right vibes while she’s sitting with you, you may want to consider picking a different girl, though.
[B][COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]Rejection[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
While I had to deal with plenty of rejection in Zhuhai and especially in Shenzhen, there were hardly any cases where a girl refused to go with me in Changping. I can only recall 2 girls from the Swan Lake Hotel and 1 from Yalan.
Considering I’m a laowai – generally not the most popular customers – that’s an amazing statistic!
[B][COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]Fun Factor[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
They don’t serve drinks at the BBS. There don’t play music either. You may think that the BBS are boring places, where you wanna pick up a girl and get out ASAP.
Actually, BBS trolling in Changping can be a lot of fun. The mamasans will often whip out the girls’ tits, to show you their pink nipples. :) When a girl sits down with you, she’ll try her best to make sure you won’t leave without her. When you’re accompanied by 2 girls, they will pin you down and you’ll actually have to wrestle your way out. :)
[B][COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]My Place or Yours?[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
As far as I know, none of the Changping BBS have attached rooms, unlike in Shenzhen. The Changping girls always come to your room, which is exactly the way I like it.
[B][COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]Service[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
Being a laowai drowned in a sea of Chinese, I feared the service would be like in other places mainly frequented by locals (no kissing, starfish, no GFE). But the China Dolls turned out to be malleable and adaptable. Treat them like your girlfriend (not like a fuck thing) and they will respond in kind. The majority of the girls (eventually) allowed French kissing and the service level was way higher than I expected. Some girls were downright amazing in bed!
My fear that the girls would be inclined to do a runner on a laowai also turned out to be unfounded. The few girls who made halfhearted attempts to leave early were easily persuaded to stay. The girls generally didn’t shy away from the early afternoon fuck either.
The GFE factor was generally higher with the LT girls than with the ST girls. That probably goes for most mongering destinations. The girls with previous laowai experience were definitely more in tune with a laowai’s needs and expectations. But even the girls without previous experience often showed a healthy curiosity and willingness to experiment.
Many girls clearly weren’t used to having their pussy eaten. Most got wet as can be. While we were fucking, some girls simply hurt. Others were clearly pursuing their own pleasure. Nothing makes me hornier than that!
Almost all the girls gave BBBJs. Chinese mongers may not enjoy the same success rate. They speculated that, considering the size of my dick, the girls would rather suck it than fuck it. Being a laowai in China can have its advantages! :)
[B][COLOR=green][SIZE=5]KTV[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]The System[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
For those of you that are totally clueless about Chinese KTVs, here’s a little primer.
Most of the more upscale KTVs in Changping are 2-5-8. What do these numbers mean?
- The first figure is the sitting fee (200 RMB).
- The second figure is the ST price (500 RMB).
- The third figure is the LT price (800 RMB).
[B][COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]The Flaw[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
If you invite a girl to sit with you, you’re entitled to a 15 minute grace period, which gives you the chance to get to know the girl and send her back without being out of pocket. If the girl keeps you company for longer than 15 minutes, she’s earned the sitting fee.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: [b]The only way in which a hoe should be able to make money is by spreading her legs![/b]
The sitting fee for a KTV girl will cost you as much as a ST with a BBS girl!
[B][COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]The Total Cost[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
KTV girls don’t come cheap, and there are plenty of additional expenses to consider. The KTV rooms always have a minimum charge, which is usually pretty steep. There’s the tip for the DJ...
The KTV experience will cost you a bundle. If you book a BBS girl for the night, take her out to dinner at an upscale restaurant and then take her to a club, you’ll spend less money, have more fun and...you’re assured of getting laid!
[B][COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]The Statement[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
While doing my pre-trip research, I took note of this statement by Moody:
[i]KTV is more about hanging out with buds and getting drunk than getting laid. You almost have to consider the getting laid part as a side dish rather than the main course.[/i]
I cannot reconcile myself with that statement, as getting laid is what the game is all about for me. Unless I get into the end zone, I’ve simply wasted my money.
[B][COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]The Singing[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
There’s a reason why there are very few karaoke joints in Western countries. Most laowais hate karaoke. Listening to amateurs murder the English classics would be bad enough, but having to suffer Chinese music is pure agony.
[B][COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]The KTV Girls[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
I would estimate that there are about 500 BBS girls in Changping. The Prince KTV alone has about 200 girls. The Jia Yi KTV is reputed to have even more girls. As God only knows home many KTV joints there are in Changping, there must be thousands of KTV girls!
The KTV girls are definitely more expensive, but are they also better looking? I saw around 200 girls at the Prince KTV and wouldn’t say that the overall quality was any higher than at Yalan. The elegant dresses are probably designed to make the girls look more sophisticated. Mutton dressed as lamb, if you ask me.
[B][COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]The Option[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
In my opinion, KTV is not for laowais. This laowai definitely has no interest in them... unless they function like BBS. Apparently, some of the cheaper KTVs (1-3-5, 1-3-6) are open in the afternoon and the girls can be taken out for a ST without having to suffer the ordeal of karaoke.
Unfortunately, I wouldn’t know where to find these places...
[B][COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]The Conclusion[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
Unlike you really enjoy the [b]whole [/b]KTV experience, I suggest you stay away from KTVs. If you’re just looking to get laid, stick to the BBS!
[B][COLOR=green][SIZE=5]Saunas[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
The most famous sauna in Changping is the Virgin Spa, round the back of the Virgin Hotel, but there are plenty of others.
After my experiences in Zhuhai, it’s unlikely I’ll ever set foot in another Chinese sauna, as I simply hate the system:
- Line-ups tailored to the customer.
- Male captains.
- Playing away from home.
On top of that, the saunas in Changping are expensive (568 RMB at the Virgin Spa). And they have a strict no pictures policy, which clashes with my personal rules.
[B][COLOR=green][SIZE=5]Discos[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]Xinde Disco[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=purple][SIZE=3]Directions[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
Unfortunately, I failed to obtain a business card from Xinde. But it’s pronounced similar to the girl’s name Cindy and not all that far from the Yalan area.
[B][COLOR=purple][SIZE=3]Minimum Charge[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
If you want a table at Xinde, the minimum charge is 318 RMB, which buys you 10 bottles of beer.
[B][COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]Xin Don Tai Disco[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=purple][SIZE=3]Directions[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
The business card and map have been attached.
[B][COLOR=purple][SIZE=3]Minimum Charge[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
Xin Don Tai is cheaper than Xinde, as the minimum charge for a table is only 240 RMB, and also buys you 10 beers.
But it’s further away, and a minivan from the Miraton Hotel will cost you 25 RMB, compared to 15 RMB to Xinde. And the taxis outside the disco grossly overcharge people. To the chagrin of the taxi mafia, we ended up taking a 3-wheeler! :)
[B][COLOR=blue][SIZE=4]General[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=purple][SIZE=3]Music[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
Techno and trance are the music of choice for young Chinese people. Luckily, most of the tunes had... no lyrics.
[B][COLOR=purple][SIZE=3]Liar’s Dice[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
A lot of Chinese love playing Liar’s Dice in the disco. To me, it looked as if they used Liar’s Dice as an excuse to get drunk, as if they couldn’t have a drink simply because they wanted to. Weird...
[B][COLOR=purple][SIZE=3]Tables[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
Tables in the discos have a minimum charge. If there aren’t enough of you to finish 10 bottles of beer, you can simply hang out on the dance floor.
[B][COLOR=purple][SIZE=3]Pick-up Spot?[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
A lot of BBS and KTV girls visit the discos after work. To my surprise, I caught quite a few girls checking me out. Maybe they simply weren’t used to seeing laowais. But maybe I could actually have scored in the discos...
Whenever I visited a disco, I already had company, so I couldn’t say if the girls were just looking to party or looking to get picked up...
[B][COLOR=green][SIZE=5]Final Words[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
Ethnic Chinese mongers from all over the world swarm to Changping – the Chinese equivalent of Pattaya. Laowais are still a rare sight in town. Maybe my report can change that...
The Changping girls still need to get used to laowai customers. They need to become aware that we have different expectations. They need to learn English. If enough of us turn up, they eventually might...
I had a blast in Changping, so I’ll finish by echoing the words of my friend MongerX, who recommended I visit Southern China: “[b]Changping fucking rocks![/b]”
Loso
Yes, I have to say thanks to loso69 post. Those are some quality pictures.
And To Szexpat:
1. Yes, have a group is definitly better. I was trying to see if to post on the message board to see who is in Dongguan. Unfortunately, none of the hotel/internet cafe allowed me to get on to the site. So if somebody could provide which hotel/internet cafe allow access to ISG, that will be awesome.
2. I am Chinese and speak Chinese but I have been in the US since childhood. When I was CP talking to Mamasan, I have a feeling they know exactly where I was from.
3. Does anybody know which area of CP have the best girl? I am saying this is because I was in Bangkok a few years back, I went to the RLD and sauna place ISG recommed but was kind of disappointed by the quality. All of these place of full of foreigner, which makes me think the thai man have better place to go.
Same story for CP. For CP, I have to go through a lot of girls/BBS to find something I really like. The street where lucky/miraton is. You see a lot of foreigner/hongkonger/Tawainess. I dont see many chinese from the CP area.
I was in Shenzhen by Panglin Hotel, and the street walkers are like supermodel. Goto a nightclub close to Panglin, I was in heaven. Does anyone know any good BBS that provide better quality girls?
Arrh, and finally, I have to bring up age old discussion Sauna or BBS/KTV.
I have mainly been sticking to Sauna. The quality of the girl is good, the service is great. Cost 278(room)+ 500/700 for girl.
As for BBS, It takes me a long time to find someone I like. I usually choose on looks. And most time service is ok. One thing guys should notice is, these lookers all have cellphone. The cellphone doesnt ring when I picking her up or walking back to the hotel. But 5 minutes in to the room, it rings, and the girl spent 30 minutes talking.
To Szexpat/everyone: I am planning a trip to Shenzhen in may, after the canton fair/golden week. Lets see if we can plan something.
PS: ISG have affected my personaly life so much, when I realized doing this is cheaper than having a girlfriend.
[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size]
Loso,
Wow..Excellent summary report. You really did your home work and research on this one.
I bet this research paper is the most fun than all the other school report we all have to do in our school days :-)
I am going to treat this like one of those " Lonely Planet " travel guide. This one would be the adult version. hehehe..
Any other countries you plan to do ?
Happy Mongering,
mpfslover
I'm planning on coming up to CP and staying in the Miraton (or other) for a night or two this week. Wondering if anyone will be around and can show me around a bit? I speak Chinese fairly well so would not be a drain in that department. Looking forward to meeting any of you and checking out the lovelies of CP for the first time.
Feel free to PM!
[QUOTE=MpfsLover]Loso,
Wow..Excellent summary report. You really did your home work and research on this one.
I bet this research paper is the most fun than all the other school report we all have to do in our school days :-)
I am going to treat this like one of those " Lonely Planet " travel guide. This one would be the adult version. hehehe..
Any other countries you plan to do ?
Happy Mongering,
mpfslover[/QUOTE]I also agree with you about LOSO excellent report.
[QUOTE=Loso69]The Changping girls still need to get used to laowai customers. They need to become aware that we have different expectations. They need to learn English. If enough of us turn up, they eventually might...
Loso[/QUOTE]Are you serious? You're a nice guy and all, Loso, but this is some ignorant stuff I expect coming from someone like George Bush.
Anyway, an average non-Asian monger who learns a couple of basic Chinese phrases, treats the gals well, and drops the "I'm King Laowai" attitude will have a good time in CP with few problems.
J
[QUOTE=Prince Darkness]Hello Everyone:
First, I would like to thank International Sex Guide. What a wonderful forum. I plan my trips based on it(thailand and china)
I have been starting making Dongguan my destination, but I want to ask how do you guys logged into this website while you are in China? I tried to log on from a hotel in shenzhen, It doesnt allow me to log in.
When I was in Changping, I stayed in Lucky Hotel. I guess you can choose between Lion, Lucky or Hui Mei. The only think I didnt like about lucky is that it seems the evelator is on the 3rd floor, and you have to take the escalator up.
As for Hui Mai, I think the main entrance and lobby is to open, and the counter was right there. Anybody ever had problem with Hui Mei?
I feel bad that I did not get online to see who is here in Changping when I was here. I was in the Internet Cafe between huimei and lucky.. I did this solo but I think its definitley more fun with a group.
One note: When I was living in lucky, you have like 10 mamasan waiting outside. So if you are a man walking alone, everyone gathers upon you. Fun for the first few times, but I am always scared consider its on a very popular street.
I am also surprised there is so little post on Houjie. My friend in shenzhen told me this place. I think if you want sauna, Houjie it is. BBS, goto changping
As for travelling to Changping. I think bus is more efficient, the bus stop is like 2 blocks away from lion, lucky hotel.
[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size][/QUOTE]From where did you get the bus to Chang Ping?
What is the best direct route from Hong Kong?
Thanks Bro,
Harihara
Losos the night market I am sure I have been.
What is the area of town called?
Were there stalls on the street where you shoot ballons?
[QUOTE=Johnnykon666]Are you serious?? You're a nice guy and all, Loso, but this is some ignorant stuff I expect coming from someone like George Bush...
Anyway, an average non-Asian monger who learns a couple of basic Chinese phrases, treats the gals well, and drops the "I'm King Laowai" attitude will have a good time in CP with few problems.
J[/QUOTE]Are you fucking serious?
In Pattaya, a farang stronghold, there are bars and discos that cater specifically to Arabs. They play Arab music. The girls prefer Arab customers, speak some Arab and look, dress and make up the way Arabs like it.
In Hong Kong, the Wanchai bars cater specifically to gweilos. Chinese are not welcome. In Jakarta, the Blok M bars are bule-only. I could quote dozens more examples like this.
When a minority is significant enough to make entertainment options catering specifically to them economically viable, they will appear and they will be successful. Throw a bunch of laowai-lovers together, teach them some English, put them in a Wanchai-type bar and you may have a recipe for success.
It’s time you drop the “I’m King Chinese” attitude and realize that the Chinese P4P scene will not remain exclusively Chinese for long.
Loso
The politic of this country will prevent anything embarrassing to itself to be shown to the outside world. This will all be hidden and never be out in the open to be publicized like the places you have mentioned. The reason why it exists at all is not to cater to the foreigners but that the internal economy thrives on it.
Yes. Sometimes they are exposed in the newspapers but immediately thereafter are the crackdowns.
CP and other parts of China will never be anything like Thailand. (Not that there's anything wrong with the LOS.) It's not a Chinese thing but a political thing. Why do you think that there are crackdowns at all? You totally have forgotten that this CP thing is illegal in China.
Just an opinion,
Bill
[QUOTE=Loso69]Are you fucking serious?
In Pattaya, a farang stronghold, there are bars and discos that cater specifically to Arabs. They play Arab music. The girls prefer Arab customers, speak some Arab and look, dress and make up the way Arabs like it.
In Hong Kong, the Wanchai bars cater specifically to gweilos. Chinese are not welcome. In Jakarta, the Blok M bars are bule-only... I could quote dozens more examples like this.
When a minority is significant enough to make entertainment options catering specifically to them economically viable, they will appear and they will be successful.
It’s time you drop the “I’m King Chinese” attitude and realize that the Chinese P4P scene will not remain exclusively Chinese for long...
Loso[/QUOTE]
Bill Lee,
The Chinese P4P scene has made it to the front pages of the Taiwanese press often enough. Laowais just do it. We don’t write about it... except on monger sites.
Loso
Bill,
I agree with you 100 percent. In China, it is all about perception. If something makes the papers, expect a swift and immediate response. This swift action can be seen all over China, not just CP. Beijing with the olympics comming up, and Shenzhen have both been the paper as of late with huge prostitution crack downs.
I wouldn't hold my breath, waiting for CP to be like Thailand with its catering to the mongers. Believe it or not, one of the reason for the rise in towns such as SZ and Dongguan in general is due to the manufacturing base which attacts money, business, and jobs from other provinces. Many girls start off in the factors and try to do something that will make them more money.
'lad
[QUOTE=Loso69]Are you fucking serious?
In Pattaya, a farang stronghold, there are bars and discos that cater specifically to Arabs. They play Arab music. The girls prefer Arab customers, speak some Arab and look, dress and make up the way Arabs like it.
In Hong Kong, the Wanchai bars cater specifically to gweilos. Chinese are not welcome. In Jakarta, the Blok M bars are bule-only. I could quote dozens more examples like this.
When a minority is significant enough to make entertainment options catering specifically to them economically viable, they will appear and they will be successful. Throw a bunch of laowai-lovers together, teach them some English, put them in a Wanchai-type bar and you may have a recipe for success.
It’s time you drop the “I’m King Chinese” attitude and realize that the Chinese P4P scene will not remain exclusively Chinese for long.
Loso[/QUOTE]
Loso,
I cannot agree with you on this. When in Rome, do what the Romans do, when in China, do what the Chinese do.
You are in China, not Thailand, Indonesia, Hong Kong or elsewhere. Every country has their similarity and every country has their unique differences.
To the girls, there are no Mr. Handsome, Mr. Nice guy, Mr. Smooth Talker; there are only one person which is every girls' dream. In any country; the only KING I know is a guy that starts with the letter “M”, no it’s not McDonalds…. It’s “Money.”
I know and fully agree with Bill, the mainly reasons of crackdowns in South China recently are due to over publicity of these areas on the Web, Magazines and Press. These are link to politics. Ask yourself this; if you are a foreigner investor; will you invest in a country where poverty is high and half the female population is in sex trade? Where will information of these come from?
Money is King!
Just my POV.
Enjoy
AG
[QUOTE=Hari Hara]From where did you get the bus to Chang Ping?
What is the best direct route from Hong Kong?
Thanks Bro,
Harihara[/QUOTE]
to harihara
There are no longer direct bus to HK from CP they stop service over a yr ago, there use to be direct bus from lai hua low hotel to mongkok for 125 rmb they stop the serivce because low demand and high cost now you need to
either take the train or take the bus from lai hua low to shenzhen lo wu 37 rmb and cross the border to HK, lai hua low is only around the corner from hui mei hotel bus run every 30 min from 7.am to about 9.30pm bus also have one stop in huangjiang town at the holiday inn hotel near the crown prince .
fast eddie 48
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]The politic of this country will prevent anything embarrassing to itself to be shown to the outside world. This will all be hidden and never be out in the open to be publicized like the places you have mentioned. The reason why it exists at all is not to cater to the foreigners but that the internal economy thrives on it.
Yes. Sometimes they are exposed in the newspapers but immediately thereafter are the crackdowns.
CP and other parts of China will never be anything like Thailand. (Not that there's anything wrong with the LOS.) It's not a Chinese thing but a political thing. Why do you think that there are crackdowns at all? You totally have forgotten that this CP thing is illegal in China.
Just an opinion,
to bill lee
Never said never I think china need to have a monger desinations like pattaya
where every thing is out in the open and massage place and strip bar everywhere , well macau is kind of open massage place everywhere and girl try to chase you down at the racetrack , the encomy in china is good right now they don't need the sex tourism like thailand .
just my IMHO
fast eddie 48
[QUOTE=Loso69]It’s time you drop the “I’m King Chinese” attitude and realize that the Chinese P4P scene will not remain exclusively Chinese for long.[/QUOTE]Since the first step of a longnose on chinese soil the local P4P scene lost their "only for chinese" virginity, like in every country where the local income is lower, much lower than in the country of guests/tourists/biz coming to such countries.
P4P is prohibited in China but tolerated, because of King "M". It becomes target of raids when the situation escalates like last year because of the TW guys.
Especially in 2008 I expect some more actions against P4P scenes, also in DG, because the world looks at and watches China. Beijing will do everything that scenes you can see during weekends in e.g. CP will not be broadcasted. Everybody knows that it's there, but nowbody wants/should talk about it.
I really hope that there will never be an "official longnose red light destrict" or whatever. I would never go there, because of the same reason why I never look for places where foreigner usually hang-out, there is nothing "chinese" remained and King "M" rules. Asking/Requesting such "laowai areas" gives me the impression that this person does not know local rules and acting like many, too many laowai's here in China - "I have money, you are my slave now!".
Learn local languages, rules and you will become part of the local life, including the P4P scene. Now, my local contacts are leading me to places where they get what we get at Yalan/CP. I would never go there, but I honor that they show me "their" places.
Respect the local rules and keep low profile to avoid being a target of envy/hate!
LW
[QUOTE=Loso69]Are you fucking serious?
In Pattaya, a farang stronghold, there are bars and discos that cater specifically to Arabs. They play Arab music. The girls prefer Arab customers, speak some Arab and look, dress and make up the way Arabs like it.
In Hong Kong, the Wanchai bars cater specifically to gweilos. Chinese are not welcome. In Jakarta, the Blok M bars are bule-only. I could quote dozens more examples like this.
When a minority is significant enough to make entertainment options catering specifically to them economically viable, they will appear and they will be successful. Throw a bunch of laowai-lovers together, teach them some English, put them in a Wanchai-type bar and you may have a recipe for success.
It’s time you drop the “I’m King Chinese” attitude and realize that the Chinese P4P scene will not remain exclusively Chinese for long.
Loso[/QUOTE]
Loso,
First, I'm not Chinese. I'm an American who came to China and learned Chinese (which is a foreign language to me) because
I wanted to interact socially, economically, and sexually. The attitude I have is what AG mentions, "when in Rome, do as the
Romans do". Many Chinese have the stereotype that foreigners are ignorant, self-centered, and inflexible. I don't want to
enforce this image. Isn't that why you became fluent in the Thai language?
Secondly, I'm glad there is Pattaya, Hong Kong, and other foreigner strongholds. These places serve a purpose and
many guys get pleasure from their visits to these places. Yet I feel, in general but not always, the more a P4P scene caters to
foreigners the more overpriced, hardened, and unscrupulous the girls are. I don't look forward to the day when CP transforms
into something with these qualities, but I also know that CP doesn't need (or necessarily want) foreigner mongers. But, like most
non-legal things in China, a touch of caution and respect opens all the doors...
J
[QUOTE]Final Words
Ethnic Chinese mongers from all over the world swarm to Changping – the Chinese equivalent of Pattaya. Laowais are still a rare sight in town. Maybe my report can change that...
The Changping girls still need to get used to laowai customers. They need to become aware that we have different expectations. They need to learn English. If enough of us turn up, they eventually might...
I had a blast in Changping, so I’ll finish by echoing the words of my friend MongerX, who recommended I visit Southern China: “Changping fucking rocks!”
Loso
[/QUOTE]
Great idea, since I'm in CP almost every weekend now, I was considering tutoring the girls in English in return for sex!
Actually, I also disagree with you, your in China and your talking about prostitutes, how about you learn their language? Laowai123 told me how he looks at things here; "If they want to buy from you then they should learn English, but if your buying from them, you need to learn Putonghua" and I totally agree with him 100%
Happy Mongering,
-SZE
Do you guys remember a place in Haikou called Red Lake. It was just like Thailand with over 5000 girls in one place. Haikou used to be heaven for men. The only people that knew about it were the Chinese Mainlanders, Hong Kong guys and Taiwanese. Then a few Americans found out and had a great time there. It was an open secret. Just talk to any Chinese guys about Haikou and you will get the wink, wink, have fun look.
To make a long story short, the great American 60 minutes found out about it and brought a hidden video camera to record Red Lake. Then they did a report about how there were over 5000 girls at this site and you can have great sex with beautiful young girls. After they aired the information, Red Lake was shut down totally. All girls found working there would be arrested and sent to jail without any bail. In Fact, Red Lake was shut down forever.
Then there were rumors that the Chinese Government was going to shut down Hainan Island totally to which we all laughed at because it has been a sex site for so long and a lot of business need the tourists. Well, a couple of years goes by and now look at Hainan Island. You can still find some girls in Haikou however they now have less girls than CP, Shenzhen or any of the large city.
Chinese government have always known about the sex trade in Hainan Island but left it alone because it is a small island and away from the mainland. However when it was exposed to the world, the government stepped in and shut it down completely. It will never come back.
It just to show you what the government can do when they really want to crackdown on it. These places only exist because the government allows it to, yearly crackdown is only for show and not really serious.
Look at Beijing, they have removed all the beggers to get ready for 2008.
Chinese people will never think like the rest of us. They would really cut off their nose to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] of their face if it comes to that.
[QUOTE=Szexpat]Laowai123 told me how he looks at things here; "If they want to buy from you then they should learn English, but if your buying from them, you need to learn Putonghua" and I totally agree with him 100%[/QUOTE]This is based on following phrase from Willy Brandt (former Chancellor of Germany):
"If I sell to you I speak English, If I buy from, dann haben Sie Deutsch zu sprechen!"
This means in English and in generally:
If I sell to you, I speak your language. If I buy from you, then you have to speak my language.
The famous "Don't lose your face!" only applies when you want to sell, based on my experiences. I am only buyer here in China and lost a lot of money during the first time doing biz here. Forget this "Don't lose your face!" when the chinese want your money.
"You want my money, you play my game!".
Of course this has to and should be by respecting each other! But when I realize that my chinese biz partner starts their "win-lose"-game and he wants to win, then he gets to know me. Since I am doing biz based on this phrase, I never have any problems.
Back to topic:
The problem which a laowai maybe faces when he mongers in China (and maybe other countries) is, that he is target number one for cheating. Unfortunately we bring their excuse for bad service with us - our "big, big, big xiao didis". I hear this most times and I am tired of this kind of cheat. No or less service means no or less payment, told the gal in front of mama before leaving with her!
LW
Take a local transportation, bus or train to HK airport. Grab the E&E (Eternal East Bus) coach bus to Changping at the AO8 kiosk. Their buses are green in color and maybe their booth too. It's 200HK one way or 360 roundtrip.
The bus starts at 10:00 a.m. and runs every 30 minutes until 7:30 p.m.
They stop at La SHin Holiday Resortel, Virgin Hotel, Miraton, all in Changping. The first stop is Goodview Hotel in Tangxia. According to E&E's schedule, they go through the Huang Gang Port border crossing.
It's not the best route but it's gets you in front of the Miranton and all the other hotels like the Virgin, Lucky, Hui Mei and Jia Mei hotel are only a 10 minute walk away. If you get off at the Virgin hotel, then your walk to Lucky, Hui Mei and Jia Mei hotel are only 5 minutes away.
If anybody wants E&E's brochure (English and Chinese), I'll scan it and e-mail it to you or post it on the board.
Bill
[QUOTE=Hari Hara]From where did you get the bus to Chang Ping?
What is the best direct route from Hong Kong?
Thanks Bro,
Harihara[/QUOTE]
Met up with McFly XXX from Hong Kong and my wingman Mr. J on Sunday and rolled out to CP to give McFly XXX the short but sweet tour. I was only in town for one night so was a bit pressed for time. I think McFly XXX really enjoyed himself as he took an afternoon pop from the stables behind the Hui Mei and later in the evening from Jo-Jo's shop over at the Yalin.
I stuck with my two regular girls since I know the service is excellent and since one is a mommy and the other is aspiring to be, it just makes good business sense to make them happy.
I did ask a lot of the mommies and the girls and most all of them said they were staying in CP during the Spring Festival which is good for us mongers.
The Shop behind the Yalin Restaurant that was on the 5th floor of the KTV has been moved within the KTV area now (only saw half a dozen girls) and also over to the #1 shop again (2 stables there). My wingman reported what could be a newer shop behind the Yalin Hotel, a little further down the alley and reported that the mommy said all the girls were new.
There is also another shop across the street from the Hui Mei Hotel, kind of next to the 7-11 in what poses as a medical massage joint but upstairs they have 4-5 girls inside.
I am trying to head back out on the 18th if anyone wants to hook up
-SZE
Just came back from CP to take care of AG and Wadman ;). I hope you both enjoy your night-meal :D.
For your information:
C-NY (Chinese New Year) means higher prices for girls (250/600) and hotel (sorry forgot to ask details about this, but chinese public holidays are times where you have to pay the published rate without discounts at many hotels).
So, be prepared to pay more for your stay in CP during C-NY.
Miraton staff told me that during canton fair the rate will be increased by CNY30.
@ Szexpat
May I point to, that Yalin should be Yal[b]a[/b]n. Just to avoid misunderstandings.
LW
[QUOTE=Csun213]To make a long story short, the great American 60 minutes found out about it and brought a hidden video camera to record Red Lake.[/QUOTE]60 Minutes and several other like them will keep looking for new stories. They have shut down everything in the US. So now all American men are leaving for other **** rees. 60 minutes seems to be following them. LOL.
Like they used to say about Ma Bell in the old days, "We don't care, we don't have to". There are enough ethnic Chinese punters in CP to support the trade so it is not necessary to learn any English. Foreigners are still a very small contingency of CP mongers.
I agree with the consensus here. CP may have the best mongering in South China, but it will never be Pattaya, and never be as laowai friendly. South China is looking for investment, Thailand is looking for tourism. The Thailand government just looks the other way in exchange for the tourism revenue. The Chinese government is looking for investment to increase employment and export revenue. Two completely different objectives.
Just my POV.
OAH
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]to harihara
There are no longer direct bus to HK from CP they stop service over a yr ago, there use to be direct bus from lai hua low hotel to mongkok for 125 rmb they stop the serivce because low demand and high cost now you need to either take the train or take the bus from lai hua low to shenzhen lo wu 37 rmb and cross the border to HK, lai hua low is only around the corner from hui mei hotel bus run every 30 min from 7.am to about 9.30pm bus also have one stop in huangjiang town at the holiday inn hotel near the crown prince .
fast eddie 48[/QUOTE]In Shenzhen: Just go to the train station.. The bus station is on the lower floor of the building. If I remember correctly, the bus to CP actually stopped twice, one close to Crown Prince, the last stop, close to lucky hotel. I just kind of follow the people on the bus. After you arrive on CP, make a right on the big street, if you walk for 10 minutes, you should see Lion's Hotel.
From Hong Kong: I think their is still service from the HK airport to CP and houjie. If you are in hong kong, just take the train in Kowloong to China border.. After you cross the border, you will be at the train/bus station.
As for busses running from CP to HK airport: It start sometime at 7am. But my flight back was 9am. I came back to shenzhen the night before. From shenzhen to HK airport at 7 am, it was a 40 minute. The cool part is when I was crossing the HK border, I didnt even have to get out of the bus. The driver took the passport, gave it to custom, 5 minutes, and we are on our way.
[QUOTE=Prince Darkness]In Shenzhen: Just go to the train station.. The bus station is on the lower floor of the building. If I remember correctly, the bus to CP actually stopped twice, one close to Crown Prince, the last stop, close to lucky hotel. I just kind of follow the people on the bus. After you arrive on CP, make a right on the big street, if you walk for 10 minutes, you should see Lion's Hotel.
to prince darkness
It is the same bus company that go to Lai hua low hotel in cp ,they use to have 3 route shenzhen lo wu border huang gang border and direct to Hk Mongkok area they stop mongkok service already , I have never use the HKIA bus to CP before I heard it take over 3 hr many stop and only a few bus each
day and is expensive.
fast eddie 48
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48][QUOTE=Prince Darkness]In Shenzhen: Just go to the train station.. The bus station is on the lower floor of the building. If I remember correctly, the bus to CP actually stopped twice, one close to Crown Prince, the last stop, close to lucky hotel. I just kind of follow the people on the bus. After you arrive on CP, make a right on the big street, if you walk for 10 minutes, you should see Lion's Hotel.
To prince darkness
It is the same bus company that go to Lai hua low hotel in cp ,they use to have 3 route shenzhen lo wu border huang gang border and direct to Hk Mongkok area they stop mongkok service already , I have never use the HKIA bus to CP before I heard it take over 3 hr many stop and only a few bus each
day and is expensive.
Fast eddie 48[/QUOTE]There should be only one bus to CP. I asked which bus is to CP, and they only pointed to 1 bus. From HK, I was talking about HK airport. You can find more information at the HK airport website. The bus fare is like $120 HK.
I figure it should take around 3 hours from HK to CP:
1. HK -> border 40 minutes
2. Border -> CP 60 minutes
Plus you have to stop at the borders which can be a long time.
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48][QUOTE=Prince Darkness]In Shenzhen: Just go to the train station.. The bus station is on the lower floor of the building. If I remember correctly, the bus to CP actually stopped twice, one close to Crown Prince, the last stop, close to lucky hotel. I just kind of follow the people on the bus. After you arrive on CP, make a right on the big street, if you walk for 10 minutes, you should see Lion's Hotel.
to prince darkness
It is the same bus company that go to Lai hua low hotel in cp ,they use to have 3 route shenzhen lo wu border huang gang border and direct to Hk Mongkok area they stop mongkok service already , I have never use the HKIA bus to CP before I heard it take over 3 hr many stop and only a few bus each
day and is expensive.
fast eddie 48[/QUOTE]
The Price of the E&E Bus service which takes you from HKIA to CP stop either at Hui Hwa or Hui Mei hotel. It cost HK$100. The route are:
From HKIA to Shenzhen Hwang Guang Immigration, you cross the Immigration, and there will be another Coach waiting on the other side. The Coach makes one stop at Huang Jiang before you arrived in CP. The whole journey will takes about 2 hours. Disadvantage is that you need to de-bus from boths immigration (HK and Shenzhen) for the Passport procedures.
Alternative are the Small car service also by E&E which you can buy the tickets at the Main Arrival hall or at the counter after you exit the customs. It cost HK$138. They will take you by a MPV to the Huang Border. At the HK border, the driver just need you to pass your passport over the drive though immigration. However, many a times on the Shenzhen side they will ask you to transfer over to a coach which will either takes you their Tang Xia Office and transfer you back to a small car before heading to CP. The whole journey takes about 1.45mins
Of course the best service which I took was Skylimo which took you via MPV from HKIA to Shenzhen border. There is another MPV waiting at the other end which will take you all the way straight to CP. Depending on the time you arrived in Shenzhen, if you are off peak hours, you might be riding the MPV alone. Cost HK$380.
There are many more alternatives.
AG
[QUOTE=Szexpat]Met up with McFly XXX from Hong Kong and my wingman Mr. J on Sunday and rolled out to CP to give McFly XXX the short but sweet tour. I was only in town for one night so was a bit pressed for time. I think McFly XXX really enjoyed himself as he took an afternoon pop from the stables [/QUOTE]
SZE - you are definetly right. I enjoyed the short stay in CP. One night only - but you bet it was not the last night. There is appetite for more, there is plenty of talent to sample. At least 3 girls on my list for the next visit.
Lily (don´t know the name anymore) from one of the Hui Mei stables was not bad - but also nothing special in terms of service. A little mechanical and seems to follow a routine that has been told to her. O.k for the afternoon pop.
After a pizza at the Happy Together - more like a miniature version of a pizza - my "guides" took me to the Yalan Area. Man! Not easy to decide - guess at some point I just had an overflow error and being overwhelmed with the supply of girls.
Took WenWen from Jo-Jo´s shop. 18 yrs of age and quite cuddly. Again, not the best service I had but nothing to complain about.
There´s also nothing to complain about the Lucky Hotel where we stayed - excellent value for money.
SZE, Mr. J. thanks again for showing me around - appreciate that!
[QUOTE=Csun213]It just to show you what the government can do when they really want to crackdown on it. These places only exist because the government allows it to, yearly crackdown is only for show and not really serious.
Look at Beijing, they have removed all the beggers to get ready for 2008.
Chinese people will never think like the rest of us. They would really cut off their nose to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] of their face if it comes to that.[/QUOTE]Many people before us have made the observation that dictatorship is a very effective form of government. At least in the short term.
Seriously though, do you really wish that they be more like us? When they start to enforce the laws against prostitution and make you go to John school like in the States, or put a heavy tax on alcohol so that beer will cost £5 a pint like it is in London, or ban smoking and charge $5 for a pack of cigarettes, where would you be going? I am not saying that this day will not ever come because I believe eventually they will think somewhat like us. I just wish that they don't overdo it in a hurry.
[QUOTE=Loso69]Are you fucking serious?
In Pattaya, a farang stronghold, there are bars and discos that cater specifically to Arabs. They play Arab music. The girls prefer Arab customers, speak some Arab and look, dress and make up the way Arabs like it.
In Hong Kong, the Wanchai bars cater specifically to gweilos. Chinese are not welcome. In Jakarta, the Blok M bars are bule-only. I could quote dozens more examples like this.
When a minority is significant enough to make entertainment options catering specifically to them economically viable, they will appear and they will be successful. Throw a bunch of laowai-lovers together, teach them some English, put them in a Wanchai-type bar and you may have a recipe for success.
It’s time you drop the “I’m King Chinese” attitude and realize that the Chinese P4P scene will not remain exclusively Chinese for long.
Loso[/QUOTE]Loso,
You are certainly not the first Laowai with a design to improve China (in one way or another) that I have talked to. Your report on CP was great, but I am afraid your conclusion is a bit off.
First, the Shenzhen P4P scene is catered more towards Chinese, be it local, HK or Taiwan, than laowai by a wider margin. It does not provide enough incentive for a large number of providers to become laowai-lovers, as you put it. Pattaya, on the other hand, is a town of 100K Thai people that saw 5 million visitors in 2004. If Shenzhen ever become remotely like Pattaya, the Chinese government would not hesitate to shut it down, like it did with the Japanese in Zhuhai. National image is at stake here and dictatorship can be very effective when it wants to be. Thailand by and large does not have a very effective government, though that might change with the generals. I am only kidding.
Second, your training plan is fundamentally flawed. You are assuming that the providers want to "improve" themselves, while all they wanted is to make a few thousand Yuan in six months or a year in Shenzhen and pay off the debt for the family back in Hunan/Sichuan/Hubei/somewhere dirt poor. There is no career path here. It is all short term. The ones you had fun with are probably on some slow train back to their villages as we speak, and the next batch will be arriving shortly after CNY to take their place.
We all know there are 1.6 billion Chinese, but very few of us actually pause to appreciate how enormous that number really is. Nobody can really claim to be able to change/improve the Chinese. The Chinese change themselves in a mysterious way. Just look at the Mongols. They conquered China. They finished off the emperors of the Song Dynasty. It was considered a shameful period of Chinese history. But did they manage to change the Chinese in a significant way? Not really. Nowadays, they just hang out regularly in Maggie's in Beijing. :-)
Cheers, may the day when the Chinese become like us be very far far away.
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I'm a Caucasian guy and have mongered in Hong Kong and Macau many times. In HK I've mongered in 414s, Wan Chai, K pressure and elsewhere. In Macau at 18 Sauna twice. I have also been to Ghangzhou, where I found a nice girl for LT near the Holiday Inn. I've posted a number of trip reports over the years.
I have never been to CP and Dongguan. In fact, I never new there was such much activity there until recently, when I stumbled into this Dongguan thread. I've done a lot or reading, but I nevertheless have a few questions. I am hoping someone can help me out.
1) I absoutely loved 18 Sauna in Macau, because it was so luxurious. Are there any super-luxurious saunas like that in Dongguan (CP or elsewhere)?
2) How impossible is it really going to be more me to survive there without any Chinese language skills? If I do my homework properly, will I be able to arrange a take out at a BBS?
I think I'll only go for two nights during my first visit. I'm planning to take the train from Kowloon.
Thanks for your help, Race
Mr. J and I decided to head over to CP Saturday to spend the New Year there even though others, including some on this board, said it would suck. I will have to say that you were either keeping a secret or were just assuming it would, it didn't and turned into one of the better times I've had there.
First, we confirmed our rooms at the Lucky Hotel before getting on the bus at our corporate rate of 197 rmb for the Honeymoon Room. When we arrived, the streets were crowded with people all celebrating the evening. After we checked in, we headed out to grab a bite to eat afterwards, Mr. J bought a whole bunch of fireworks and joined the mass of people shooting them off....sounding like a war zone with so many people shooting fireworks.
After the fun and games, we got down to business and noticed immediately that the stables behind the Hui Mei Hotel were closed, but the mommies were still out. They asked us if we wanted girls, of course we said yes, and within 5 minutes a van would pull up and out would jump 6-8 girls! We were doing lineups right on the main street next to the van!
Mr. J finally found one he liked, but I decided to call my little buddy Jo-Jo and try my luck with her to send me a girl. She came through 100% by sending me Lily who she said had only been in town 2 days.
Name: Lily
Home: Hunan
Age: Chinese 18
Body: For me it was around a 9, she was taller, had great breasts and took care of herself.
Skills: 6 inexperienced and very shy to move a lot.
Fee: 100 mommy, 100 girl plus 25 each for the red envelope.
After Mr. J and I had finished business, we went back out to have some more fun with the locals and had a bite to eat at the "Happy Together" Restaurant, as a sidenote, it appears that the Cafe Mito has shut it's doors for good, which is very sad considering for 45 rmb we used to get a salad, soup, steak, dessert and drink.
Around 2am Mr. J and I decided to call it a night, but as we entered the 5th floor of our hotel, we saw 2 of the regular mommies running girls, one who begged us to take one of her girls from the van parked outside the hotel. After seeing that her girls were not that stunning and being a little tired, I declined but the mommy begged me to take one, so I showed the mommy that I only had 132.50 rmb in my pocket and could not afford one now......she took it and gave me the girl.
Name: Never Asked
Home: Hubei
Age: Chinese 20
Body: 6 had a big tattoo on her back and one on her breast, face not so good
Skills: 9 Wow, this girl was a total freak, she must have been a wannabe porn star because she did anything and everything and was howling like a dog at the moon at 3 am.
Fee: 32.50 for the mommy and 100 for the girl, she asked for extra, but all I had was 100's on me and was too tired to go to 7-11 so I told her next time.
Day 1 over.
After dragging my ass out of bed around noon due to the wild child wearing me out from the previous night, I slammed down a couple a cans of "Red Bull" and we finally set out to explore. The streets were still full of people and fireworks still blasting everywhere. After a couple cups of coffee and going over our gameplan for the day, we were approached by 3 mommies next to the MIRATON Hotel who took us behind the hotel (where the apartments are) and was escorted into a stable there (I think this might be a new area since I have not read any reports on this). There was only 6 girls in the shop at this time (it was in the afternoon), four of which were very cute, but we declined. We then noticed that some of the stables behind the Hui Mei were open again and Mr. J saw one of his favorite girls so off they went to the hotel.
After wondering around a bit more, I went back to the hotel where I was greeted by Mr. J and his cutie. The girl seemed so damn interested in me, Mr. J told her to give me a pop, which she accepted (of course I made her shower and brush her teeth....haha).
Name: Mei-Mei
Home: Forgot to ask
Age: Chinese 19
Body: 8 rock solid, tight and firm farm girl.
Face: 6
Skills: 6 Not real good or willing to experiment, maybe Mr. J has wore her out
Fee: Gave her 100
Photo: Will post later when I get them
After the afternoon romp, we headed out for a bite to eat, drank more coffee and decided to roll over to the Yalan Hotel a little early (around 6:30). We found an excellent driver who knew what we wanted and even came with us on the tour (nice guy).
As we approached the Yalan, the driver took us into a hotel parking lot, I did not get the name of the hotel but will try to give directions; If your standing at the major street corner by the Yalan Hotel, you will see a medicine shop on your right (which has stables above it...Jojo works here sometimes) across the street, is another medicine shop and small stores, directly behind these shops is a older hotel with KTV.
We were lead up to the 2nd floor and into a room where there was about 25 girls ranging in looks from 5-8, some of them were actual KTV girls (with uniform and #'s) while others were just working girls. After looking them over, as well as the #1 shop and #2 shop, the KTV behind the Yalan Restaurant, and the 3 other shops behind the Yalan Hotel (We did not go into the Yalan KTV) I wanted to pull the mommy from the Yalan (maybe is my fetish to get the mommies) I am sure all you regulars know her, she is the girl with orange wavey hair, short and cute. I gave her 100 and after she thought about it for 20 minutes decided to not join me.......I will get her soon though.
I decided to take one from CoCo's shop and this girl was quite a treat, very lovely and had only been in town for 2 weeks.
Name: Luxia
Age: Chinese 20
Home: Guangxi
Body: 8 Nice, clean and well take care of even trimmed her kitten, but rather smallish breasts.
Skills: 8 real good and very GFE, she wanted to come visit me in SZ this week and I might take her up on that offer.
Fee: 100 mommy, 400 girl LT, 50 red envelope
Overall, it was a lot of fun, not a lot of punters out so we had pick of the litter in most places from the girls who were new to CP or those that did not go home. I think these 2 new stables (correct me if I am wrong) might hold some interest to others as the quantity and quality was good.
I won't be back out to CP until the first weekend of March and will be flying solo as my wingman will be returning to the USA for a month, but if anyone wants to join me, send me a PM and we can meet up.
-SZE
szexpat:
the hotel/ktv you are talking about on the 2nd floor, is the enterance on the back of the hotel? the room has one door and about 30-40 feet long? there are seats on both sizes?
be careful following mamasans to apartments or new areas. the last time i was in cp, a runner told me that a hong kong guy was killed in an apartment. he suffocated. they used a cloths pin and pinched his nose. i don’t know if she was telling me the truth but she knows what happened to me. it’s a long store. i posted a report early last year about what happened to me.
cons on mongering during cny
during holidays, hotel rates are much higher. then transportation like airfares and trains are higher too. i recalled hearing people were buying [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131][CodeWord131][/url] for train rides back home last year. lots of stores ( businesses ) are also closed due the chinese new year. some are closed for more than just 1 day but for one week. for the girls, majority go home for cny including some mamasans. to thin it down more, just before cny are the crackdowns. during dec, jan and feb it's colder and you can't see the goods as much. they wear more clothing during winter. there are girls but the qualities and quantities are lower. overall, it is suggested not to go during this time but it seems you had a good time.
imho
i'm jeolous of your 197rmb for a honeymoon suite.
weelock
[quote=weelock]szexpat:
the hotel/ktv you are talking about on the 2nd floor, is the enterance on the back of the hotel? the room has one door and about 30-40 feet long? there are seats on both sizes?
be careful following mamasans to apartments or new areas. the last time i was in cp, a runner told me that a hong kong guy was killed in an apartment. he suffocated. they used a cloth's pin and pinched his nose. i don’t know if she was telling me the truth but she knows what happened to me. it’s a long store. i posted a report early last year about what happened to me.
cons on mongering during cny
during holidays, hotels rates are much higher and then transportation. airfares and trains are higher too. i recalled hearing people were buying [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131][CodeWord131][/url] for train rides back home last year. lots of stores ( businesses ) are also closed due the chinese new year. some are closed for more than just 1 day but for one week. for the girls, majority go home for cny including some mamasans. to thin it down more, just before cny are the crackdowns. during dec, jan and feb it's colder and you can't see the goods as much. they wear more clothing during winter. there are girls but the qualities and quantities are low. overall, it is suggested not to go during this time.
imho
i'm jeolous of your 197rmb for a honeymoon suite.
weelock[/quote]
yes, you go in the backdoor up to the second floor and the room is about 30 feet long with sofas on both sides.
thanks for the warning, even though my chinese is not so good, i can handle myself in most situations (retired military, first responder) and a pretty big guy, so i don't go into places i don't think i can get out of.
we took the bus to cp, same price as it always was 36 rmb one way, same price for the hotel, all the restaurants open (except a few) many open even at 2 am on new years day and most shops open for business new years day. what i think was the best kept secret was there was plenty of girls....only 2 of us but we saw over 50 girls during our 2 days. lots of girls in cp so even if 50% could afford or were allowed to go home, still leaves lots to pick from.
i agree that travel and prices are expensive if traveling to other cities but i don't think dongguan is in that scheme as the buses going and coming from cp were not even half full. i was planning on going to beijing, but after i saw the price of the air and hotel decided to play in cp.
-sze
Szexpat,
Damn! Lily is friggen beautiful. Honestly, most (90%) of the pics I see posted are 6 or below IMO. Lily is a about an 8 in my book (ok, ok, I'm pretty picky). How tall is she? More than 170cm? That would bump it up to 9.
[QUOTE=Neuromancer]Szexpat,
Damn! Lily is friggen beautiful. Honestly, most (90%) of the pics I see posted are 6 or below IMO. Lily is a about an 8 in my book (ok, ok, I'm pretty picky). How tall is she? More than 170cm? That would bump it up to 9.[/QUOTE]
Yes, she is certainly a stunner and had a wonderful body except for a large bruise on one of her thighs. I asked her about it and she said she bumped into something, who knows. She is certainly KTV quality girl and not real sure why she was in a stable, maybe she was so new the mommies grabbed her first. I also saw some young, fresh faced new ones at the #1 and #2 shops as well.
Lily was over 170 cm as was Luxia and I did them both an injustice by using a sorry camera and shitty skills to photograph them.
-SZE
[QUOTE=Neuromancer]Szexpat,
Damn! Lily is friggen beautiful. Honestly, most (90%) of the pics I see posted are 6 or below IMO. Lily is a about an 8 in my book (ok, ok, I'm pretty picky). How tall is she? More than 170cm? That would bump it up to 9.[/QUOTE]That Lily certainly has model potential. The only deduction you can take is that her eyes are kind of small, but it could be marketed as an oriental feature. If she is anywhere else but in China, I bet she would be in a different kind of line-up. Hunan must be a shithole, even Chairman Mao left. But isn't it amazing what wonders can come out of a gene pool of 1. 6 billion people? It is such a shame that there is just no good opportunities for some many of them in China. Wait a minute, I can't have my cake and eat it too. :p
A good find.
Wilde,
Think about it this way and maybe you'll realize that China really isn't that different from say the US, as strange as that may seem.
Let's say that in every 5 star hotel in every major US city, all you see are Asian guys that look like Kim Jong Il hanging around, having breakfast with some college cheerleader (yes, I know that this analogy has been used before). Don't you think that most Americans would be utterly disgusted by Asians. Hence, one possible reason why Chinese providers are not "eager" to service caucasians when there are plenty of locals in the market.
Another argument is, well, with all the hot shot, big money Asians everywhere. And I'm sure there are plenty mongering in the US. Why the f*ck don't those Americans learn some d*mn Chinese/Japanese/Korean/whatever? They'd surely be able to increase their income. Or maybe more of those big money Asians just need to walk around flashing huge bills and the local Americans would finally come around to learning how to properly service Asians. Or maybe they're just too dumb to work the math.
Anyway, point being that the previous arguments made by Loso can just as easily be applied to the US or any other Western country for that matter.
[QUOTE=Race Track]I'm a Caucasian guy and have mongered in Hong Kong and Macau many times. In HK I've mongered in 414s, Wan Chai, K pressure and elsewhere. In Macau at 18 Sauna twice. I have also been to Ghangzhou, where I found a nice girl for LT near the Holiday Inn. I've posted a number of trip reports over the years.
I have never been to CP and Dongguan. In fact, I never new there was such much activity there until recently, when I stumbled into this Dongguan thread. I've done a lot or reading, but I nevertheless have a few questions. I am hoping someone can help me out.
1) I absoutely loved 18 Sauna in Macau, because it was so luxurious. Are there any super-luxurious saunas like that in Dongguan (CP or elsewhere)?[/QUOTE]
Haven't posted in a while since I've been in the US the past few months. Anyway, the sauna at the Crown Prince in Huangjiang is pretty nice. If you go out to the west side, the Kande Club sauna is also very nice. At Kande Club, you usually have to make a reservation, or else you're gonna have to wait a while.
[QUOTE=Race Track]2) How impossible is it really going to be more me to survive there without any Chinese language skills? If I do my homework properly, will I be able to arrange a take out at a BBS? [/QUOTE]
You would have to be galactically stupid not to be able to arrange takeout at a BBS in CP. Give the mommy 100RMB, and unless you say something, the girl will come with you. If you want to make arrangements for a different time, that would require a bit of ingenuity if you don't speak any Mandarin. Try pointing to your watch to tell her the time and show her your hotel key and write down the room number and time, that may work.... but it may not.... Alternatively, get a Mandarin phrasebook.
[QUOTE=Race Track]I think I'll only go for two nights during my first visit. I'm planning to take the train from Kowloon.
Thanks for your help, Race[/QUOTE]
You're welcome.
[QUOTE=Race Track]
1) I absoutely loved 18 Sauna in Macau, because it was so luxurious. Are there any super-luxurious saunas like that in Dongguan (CP or elsewhere)?
2) How impossible is it really going to be more me to survive there without any Chinese language skills? If I do my homework properly, will I be able to arrange a take out at a BBS?
[/QUOTE]
18 Sauna has a great huge line up of Viets, Koreans, Chinese & Thais and the presentation beside the pool area is superb.
However, I did not find the rest of the place "super-luxurious" as you stated.
In fact, the 18 sauna work rooms where the girls take you are pretty shabby compared to some of the Chang Ping saunas I have visited, abeilt, none of them have the size of line-up that 18 Sauna has. Then, in terms of service, it all depends on who you pick.
If you are going to do all that work, you should do very well and bring a translator (electronic) or mini book with you and you will more than survive as many others before you have.
[QUOTE=Crazier]18 Sauna has a great huge line up of Viets, Koreans, Chinese & Thais and the presentation beside the pool area is superb.
However, I did not find the rest of the place "super-luxurious" as you stated.
In fact, the 18 sauna work rooms where the girls take you are pretty shabby compared to some of the Chang Ping saunas I have visited, abeilt, none of them have the size of line-up that 18 Sauna has. Then, in terms of service, it all depends on who you pick.
If you are going to do all that work, you should do very well and bring a translator (electronic) or mini book with you and you will more than survive as many others before you have.[/QUOTE]
to crazier
I totaly agree sauna 18 room is smaller compare to the new rio sauna but I still think sauna 18 have better line up , most large sauna In CP 4 star hotel use regular hotel room like New century or miraton and you can even stay over night for no extra cost if you arrive after 12.pm at under 600 rmb much less than sauna 18 but quality is much better in macau.
fast eddie 48
Thanks everyone for the information!
One thing I like about 18 Sauna (besides the lineup) is the back room with those comfy lounge chairs, the food, and all those extra services you can get, like pedicure and leg massage. I also like the body washes available in the "wet" room.
Are the Saunas in CP like that - with shared sauna, shared lounge with services, and so on? From one I understand, the saunas in CP do not have shared spaces where food and pedicure are offered? Or am I wrong?
It also seems that the quality of the girls in 18 Sauna is much better than the saunas in CP. I found 95% of the girls at 18 to be in 8-10 range. It was a site to behold.
Also, I would love to try an upscale KTV in CP. Hopefully I will be able to find a few buddies to do it with.
I will most likely try to learn a little Mandarin.
[QUOTE=Race Track]Thanks everyone for the information!
One thing I like about 18 Sauna (besides the lineup) is the back room with those comfy lounge chairs, the food, and all those extra services you can get, like pedicure and leg massage. I also like the body washes available in the "wet" room.
Are the Saunas in CP like that - with shared sauna, shared lounge with services, and so on? From one I understand, the saunas in CP do not have shared spaces where food and pedicure are offered? Or am I wrong?
It also seems that the quality of the girls in 18 Sauna is much better than the saunas in CP. I found 95% of the girls at 18 to be in 8-10 range. It was a site to behold.
Also, I would love to try an upscale KTV in CP. Hopefully I will be able to find a few buddies to do it with.
I will most likely try to learn a little Mandarin.[/QUOTE]
Girl quality will depend a lot on where you go. If you go to one of the better places they will have prettier girls. CP tends to have large quantity, but not necessarily quality. Give the Sheraton on the west side a shot. Ask to see their model girls. Some of them are very fine. I found Crown Prince to be more like CP in terms of quality, but the rooms tend to be nicer. BTW, if you're into quality of service.... CP is probably better. Girls are plainer, but more compliant.
if you monger want to see an awesome line up , go to Jia Yi KTV, they opened up last november. Awesome 600+ girl lineup dress to kill. they are lined up in four rows about a hundred fifty girls per row. the gaunlet walkng down is quite narrow, maybe at best four or five week wide. Mommy's and girls grabbing you from all sides. It is unbelievable. Like the old Amazon KTV routines.
If you do not like the ktv rooms you can take them to sit and see a cabaret show near the bar. Best of all, the rooms at the Jia Yi hotel next door cost only $188rmb a night.. very nice room, beautifully appointed and nice western size plus rooms. Make sure you bring your own covers because if you forget, the one in the room will cost you about $60rmb for a pack of 3.
BTW all the girls are atleast 7's and nothing over 23yo. I think the quality standard is even higher than the old Amazon. A lot of the Amazon's old staff or girls bolted for this new place. The only drawback is that the breakfast (included with the room) totally sucks.. I like the Hotel Versailles buffet breakfast better in terms of taste and quality.
I've read through the last 25 pages of the Dongguan thread and there is a ton of information spread out. I'm planning to travel into CP from Beijing on March 7th by flying into Shenzen. I read on this thread a taxi should cost about $150 RMB and take about 30 minutes. The confusing part about this thread is the mention of several hot areas with girls available.
I see that there are three areas involved, Dongguan, Changping and Houjie. A quick google shows that Dongguan is the city and Changping and Houjie are districts.
This thread points to several recent locations:
Golden Lake Hotel, Tangxia
Li-Hwa hotel
Sheraton KTV
Cinese 7th floor
Crown Prince Hotel Sauna Building
Amazon Flower Market?
Hui Mei KTV
Yalan Hotel
Miraton Hotel
Jia Yi KTV
Unlike Shenzen of Beijing, where one to three areas are primarily discussed, Dongguan locations are very spread out. I am planning on staying in CP for a week to relax and take in as many high quality 9-10 range girls as possible.
Ideally I need to map out a plan and visit places that have 100 girls plus at a time. BBS has never been my thing since its hit or miss to find those high quality girls. KTV's are tricky by youself, so the main places I like to visit are hotels where the girls are available for viewing up-front or at a general bar area.
I've written some detailed reviews on massage girls in Beijing and would like to do the same with the girls of CP.
With all the locations listed can anyone with experience recommend a strategy?
I was thinking of staying at Jia Yi since the most recent post mentions that the rooms are nice and next to a KTV with 600+ girls. Recent reports also all center around the Yalan or Miraton Hotel. Is anyone free around March 2nd?
[QUOTE=Race Track]Thanks everyone for the information!
One thing I like about 18 Sauna (besides the lineup) is the back room with those comfy lounge chairs, the food, and all those extra services you can get, like pedicure and leg massage. I also like the body washes available in the "wet" room.
Are the Saunas in CP like that - with shared sauna, shared lounge with services, and so on? From one I understand, the saunas in CP do not have shared spaces where food and pedicure are offered? Or am I wrong?
It also seems that the quality of the girls in 18 Sauna is much better than the saunas in CP. I found 95% of the girls at 18 to be in 8-10 range. It was a site to behold.
Also, I would love to try an upscale KTV in CP. Hopefully I will be able to find a few buddies to do it with.
I will most likely try to learn a little Mandarin.[/QUOTE]
to race track
Macau sauna is very different than the one in CP , most sauna in CP when you go into the lobby the manager will take you into a large room just like a hotel room with private bath room some even have steam room inside the bathroom and they bring the girl to the room for you to pick 3-4 at a time.
You will paid for the room 2hr stay over night if you arrive after mdinight cost is 268 rmb at new century serivce included bbbj ,rimming and fs and you pay the girl 300 rmb tip after .
Some sauna in dongguan and zhu hai have locker and share steam room and
pool and lounge area that you can order drink and food but the room and service or girl quality is no where as good as Macau but some sauna in zhu hai
you can get service as low as 200 rmb like johnnykok favorite place DMY that
is the lowest sauna p4p I ever have in china or everywhere in the world .
fast eddie 48
After more than two years of trying to set it up - delayed by things like selling a house, closing a business, and an emergency appendectomy -- I am FINALLY set to go to CP.
I'm in BKK now and will fly to Shenzhen on March 4 and take a taxi/car/whatever to CP that evening. Hope to stay in the Miraton. Will be there until the 16th or the 18th -- can't remember now, and I don't have my ticket with me. And anyway, if I have a great time I'll extend the stay.
I would LOVE to meet up with anyone who will be there at that time. While I've lived for more than 25 years on and off in SE Asia, this will be my first non-business (read:recreational) trip to China. If anyone would like to hook up with me, I'll pick up a few meals and maybe an evening in a KTV in exchange for some good, creative guidance.
By the way, I should say that this forum (thanks, Jackson!) and the posts by some of the old hands who contribute to it, are entirely responsible for my decision to come. So thanks to all, in advance.
I just renewed my account, so my mailbox may not be active for another 24 hours, but would love to hear from any and all of you, either here or there.
And in the next 24 hours I'll be posting an update on life in Phnom Penh.
All best to all,
Rising Son
[QUOTE=Nynyny]I've read through the last 25 pages of the Dongguan thread and there is a ton of information spread out. I'm planning to travel into CP from Beijing on March 7th by flying into Shenzen. I read on this thread a taxi should cost about $150 RMB and take about 30 minutes. The confusing part about this thread is the mention of several hot areas with girls available.
I see that there are three areas involved, Dongguan, Changping and Houjie. A quick google shows that Dongguan is the city and Changping and Houjie are districts.
This thread points to several recent locations:
Golden Lake Hotel, Tangxia
Li-Hwa hotel
Sheraton KTV
Cinese 7th floor
Crown Prince Hotel Sauna Building
Amazon Flower Market?
Hui Mei KTV
Yalan Hotel
Miraton Hotel
Jia Yi KTV
Unlike Shenzen of Beijing, where one to three areas are primarily discussed, Dongguan locations are very spread out. I am planning on staying in CP for a week to relax and take in as many high quality 9-10 range girls as possible.
Ideally I need to map out a plan and visit places that have 100 girls plus at a time. BBS has never been my thing since its hit or miss to find those high quality girls. KTV's are tricky by youself, so the main places I like to visit are hotels where the girls are available for viewing up-front or at a general bar area.
I've written some detailed reviews on massage girls in Beijing and would like to do the same with the girls of CP.
With all the locations listed can anyone with experience recommend a strategy?
I was thinking of staying at Jia Yi since the most recent post mentions that the rooms are nice and next to a KTV with 600+ girls. Recent reports also all center around the Yalan or Miraton Hotel. Is anyone free around March 2nd?[/QUOTE]
to nyny
Dongguan is a county in Guangzhou province with a population of 1.5 million and 2515 sq kilometers , It is new only exist since 1985 very fast growing county with many new manufacture and foriegn investment, Dongguan city is the largest city and houjie and changping is just small town but are growing fast .
fast eddie 48
Nynyny,
I have posted maps of Dongguan County ( area ). It's in English. There are also maps from others. Try Doing a search. If the maps are of no use ( bad ), then since you are in Beijing, try going into a bookstore. There are paper maps of Dougguan. I have one myself but it's in Chinese. Overall, Dongguan County covers a very large area.
Link for Map of Dongguan Area
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=448308&postcount=699[/url]
Race Track,
As you probably know Hong Kong was once a British Colony. Almost everything is in both English and Chinese. English has been taught as a secondary language for a long time. If I have to guess maybe over 100 years. China is totally different from Hong Kong and Macau. I was told upto about 25 years ago Russian was sometimes taught as a secondary language in China. Now it's mostly English. Getting around without Chinese, or without a guide or NOT doing your homework the first time, will be very very frustrating but not impossible. For example, telling a cabbie to go to the Holiday Inn in English or telling someone you want to go the Amazon KTV, you can almost forget about it. Names of hotels are called differently in Chinese from English. Next, buying a train/bus ticket and finding where to go off to will be a problem. Thne asking for help in the streets will be impossible. It's not like Thailand or PI. Staying at a high end hotels are the only excpection. This is just my opinion.
[quote=nynyny]i've read through the last 25 pages of the dongguan thread and there is a ton of information spread out. i'm planning to travel into cp from beijing on march 7th by flying into shenzen. i read on this thread a taxi should cost about $150 rmb and take about 30 minutes. the confusing part about this thread is the mention of several hot areas with girls available.
[...][/quote]
nynyny,
i take the liberty to point to following posts:
cp areas (google earth):
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=552845[/url]
bbs area in hj + location of hotels in hj:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=547527[/url]
advice: do not go to hj bbs area alone!!! even the gals are cheap there i would not take one out. the chance you pick an **** gal is very high there! then we don't know how deep the relation to the local underworld is and a phone call/sms from the girl to your direction will end.
this area is more a "drive in bbs area". customers are driving by car from shop to shop and gals have to line-up in front of the shop and/or get picked out of car. was there two times (first time with a local guy and second time with an isg member) and walked around which seems not to be very common in this area.
hth
lw
RS,
I will book the Miraton for you one more time if you want. PM me your full name again and how many nights you need it for. I will try to get down there to see you early next week. A bunch of us may be taking another road trip if you would like to join us.
OAH
[QUOTE=Rising Son]After more than two years of trying to set it up - delayed by things like selling a house, closing a business, and an emergency appendectomy -- I am FINALLY set to go to CP.
I'm in BKK now and will fly to Shenzhen on March 4 and take a taxi/car/whatever to CP that evening. Hope to stay in the Miraton. Will be there until the 16th or the 18th -- can't remember now, and I don't have my ticket with me. And anyway, if I have a great time I'll extend the stay.
I would LOVE to meet up with anyone who will be there at that time. While I've lived for more than 25 years on and off in SE Asia, this will be my first non-business (read:recreational) trip to China. If anyone would like to hook up with me, I'll pick up a few meals and maybe an evening in a KTV in exchange for some good, creative guidance.
By the way, I should say that this forum (thanks, Jackson!) and the posts by some of the old hands who contribute to it, are entirely responsible for my decision to come. So thanks to all, in advance.
I just renewed my account, so my mailbox may not be active for another 24 hours, but would love to hear from any and all of you, either here or there.
And in the next 24 hours I'll be posting an update on life in Phnom Penh.
All best to all,
Rising Son[/QUOTE]
Nnnyny:
If you want 9-10 quality and don't care what it costs, CP is not the place for you. You will find many more of them in SZ and DG city KTVs or Sheraton KTV in HouJie. Even if you are alone, you can go in and sit in the club area by yourself and see some line-ups. Most mamas will let you take their girls out without staying at the KTV. The bar pick-up scenario you describe is not available as I know of.
Happy Hunting!
OAH
P.S. PM me your local digits in case I am in CP next week.
[QUOTE=Nynyny]I've read through the last 25 pages of the Dongguan thread and there is a ton of information spread out. I'm planning to travel into CP from Beijing on March 7th by flying into Shenzen. I read on this thread a taxi should cost about $150 RMB and take about 30 minutes. The confusing part about this thread is the mention of several hot areas with girls available.
I see that there are three areas involved, Dongguan, Changping and Houjie. A quick google shows that Dongguan is the city and Changping and Houjie are districts.
This thread points to several recent locations:
Golden Lake Hotel, Tangxia
Li-Hwa hotel
Sheraton KTV
Cinese 7th floor
Crown Prince Hotel Sauna Building
Amazon Flower Market?
Hui Mei KTV
Yalan Hotel
Miraton Hotel
Jia Yi KTV
Unlike Shenzen of Beijing, where one to three areas are primarily discussed, Dongguan locations are very spread out. I am planning on staying in CP for a week to relax and take in as many high quality 9-10 range girls as possible.
Ideally I need to map out a plan and visit places that have 100 girls plus at a time. BBS has never been my thing since its hit or miss to find those high quality girls. KTV's are tricky by youself, so the main places I like to visit are hotels where the girls are available for viewing up-front or at a general bar area.
I've written some detailed reviews on massage girls in Beijing and would like to do the same with the girls of CP.
With all the locations listed can anyone with experience recommend a strategy?
I was thinking of staying at Jia Yi since the most recent post mentions that the rooms are nice and next to a KTV with 600+ girls. Recent reports also all center around the Yalan or Miraton Hotel. Is anyone free around March 2nd?[/QUOTE]
[quote=bnlee2]if you monger want to see an awesome line up , go to jia yi ktv, they opened up last november. awesome 600+ girl lineup dress to kill. they are lined up in four rows about a hundred fifty girls per row. the gaunlet walkng down is quite narrow, maybe at best four or five week wide. mommy's and girls grabbing you from all sides. it is unbelievable. like the old amazon ktv routines.
if you do not like the ktv rooms you can take them to sit and see a cabaret show near the bar. best of all, the rooms at the jia yi hotel next door cost only $188rmb a night.. very nice room, beautifully appointed and nice western size plus rooms. make sure you bring your own covers because if you forget, the one in the room will cost you about $60rmb for a pack of 3.
btw all the girls are atleast 7's and nothing over 23yo. i think the quality standard is even higher than the old amazon. a lot of the amazon's old staff or girls bolted for this new place. the only drawback is that the breakfast (included with the room) totally sucks.. i like the hotel versailles buffet breakfast better in terms of taste and quality.[/quote]
i agree, i have been to this ktv and the girls are very high quality, standard ktv fee's apply 200/500/800 with the girls. i reported about this ktv in post #1947. i also stayed at the versailles hotel and while the bathroom is pretty cool (all glass), the room kinda sucked (i.e. cigarette holes in the furniture and the wallpaper peeling off the walls) the other major drawback is the hotel is in bfe which means you have to travel to many of the bbs play areas or the main strip downtown. on an upside though, they do provide free van and driver...
a few extra photos of cny in cp:
1. mr. j "pyro king" schooling the boys on how to set off a lot of rockets at one time.
2. spent firecrackers outside lucky hotel, sounded like a war zone out there.
3. luxia at the happy together restaurant.
Hi, all -
Still on for March 4-18 in ChangPing. Will be at the Miraton and will (I hope) get a SIM card pretty quickly. When I do I'll send the number to anyone who wants it.
I'd love to meet anyone who will be there. If you want to check and see whether I do actually try to repay the forum for all it's given me, look at my long report on Phnom Penh posted a couple of days ago.
All the best -- hope to see you.
RS
I'll be in CP 3-5 March, will be staying at my normal spot, Lucky Hotel. If anyone wants to monger, send me a PM.
-SZE
I will be in Dongcheng from 11th-14th April. If someone wants to monger, please post a reply. Will get your mail address later as I cannot recieve pm's.
Just a note for those of you that stay in central Dong Guan and do business in the Dalingshan district. There is new hotel option (about 1 year old) in the Dalingshan district called the Grand Oriental ([url]http://www.dijinghotel.cn[/url]).
This is a 5 star quality hotel and since their occupancy is not high yet, you can get rooms inexpensively. The last time I stayed there it was 568 RMB per night. Excellent service and best of all is the FS suana on the 5th floor. You get 2 hours with your choice of very attractive girls (on two trips they had about 8-12 for me to choose from). Most of the girls are from inland provinces, Henan, Hunan, Hebei, Sichaun so there is a good assortment of sizes and types.
I have been to the hotel and the sauna twice. On both trips, I asked for "special service" and received the same treatment - shower with the girl, full dry body on body massage, oil body massage, DFY, full tounge massage, rimming, fire and ice, capped with bbbj and cfs, finishing shower, and a nice shoe shine. On my first excursion, the girl, a tall, busty Beijinger, was so enthusiastic it was truly on of the finest two hours I have spent with a woman. Unfortunately, I did not take her number. While on the second visit (about one month ago), I received almost identical service, it was a bit rushed and not so girlfriend like. I must admit that the second visit was about 2 am on a Sunday night.
The charges seem to be a bit flexible. On my first visit it was 800 RMB. I did not negotiate. On the second, about one month later, the mamasan recognized me and the charge was 500 RMB. I tipped the first girl 100 RMB and the second 50. I am not certain if the change in charge was also girl related. For those that have done the famous Nanyuan 5th floor sauna, this one tops it, is less expensive and the girls just as attractive.
I will probably continue staying here because it is very close to my business in DongGuan. I will definitely take advantage of the suana each time. Because I like variety, however, if anyone out there knows of any other service near the hotel, I would gladly venture out.
Hope this report helps someone.
[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size]
Any chance you'll be around during those dates?
RS
[QUOTE=Azn Playa]Yeah great post - I made it a POD.
You'll be paying a lot more than in PP - but anyway, have a blast in CP![/QUOTE]
hey guys,
I was just wondering. When they say 2-5-8 at the ktv, does it mean 200+500+800=1500 for some time there and to top that the drinks that you have? Or is this all inclusive?
What do you have to pay the girl after that for taking her to your room? Or is everything dome in some ktv room?
Sounds stupid but I will be mongering in some ktv in April so just wanted to check.
Thanks
Hey brothers,
A few buddies and I will be in the area from March 18 to 25 on a relax and recon trip. We're regulars, some of us speak mandarin and know the ins and outs pretty well of the area. Wouldn't mind sharing some intel, the local spots, what to do during the day and our lifestyle of decadence to some fun guys who are cool to hang with.
I say the more the merrier when it comes to KTVing.
We are staying at Hui Hwa.
By the way, the best way to get the best rate is to contact one of the managers whether it's in the Spa or KTV of a place and ask them to get their "referral rate". (obviously you have to speak mandarin for this to work).
Anyways, PM me if you are interested and will be there during those dates.
Jettsetter.
I'm going to be in Dongguan next Wednesday. Can anybody tell me where I can go to have a good time... ;) ;) ;) you guys know what mean.... Appreciate any help.
[QUOTE=Moody]I'm going to be in Dongguan next Wednesday. Can anybody tell me where I can go to have a good time... ;) ;) ;) you guys know what mean.... Appreciate any help.[/QUOTE]
There's a really cool internet joint across the street from the Virgin Hotel where you can play World of Warcraft (WoW) or if your really old school, maybe a game of Pac-Man. Hope this helps!
200 RMB for the girl to sit with you in KTV
500 RMB for ST
800 RMB for all night
Payable after the girl has done her job.
If you have problem communicating, they usually call an English-speaking person on the mobile who can interprete. It's hard to understand them with the noise and music going...
[QUOTE=FoxySimone]hey guys,
I was just wondering. When they say 2-5-8 at the ktv, does it mean 200+500+800=1500 for some time there and to top that the drinks that you have? Or is this all inclusive?
What do you have to pay the girl after that for taking her to your room? Or is everything dome in some ktv room?
Sounds stupid but I will be mongering in some ktv in April so just wanted to check.
Thanks[/QUOTE]
Nice report. Definitely helps me.
Following OAH suggestion that the 9/10 beauties are in the KTV's in SZ, Dongguan and Houjie, I might just have to TOFTT soon. Would appreciate some recommendations for hotels, KTVs, BBS etc... in those 3 cities.
I had a great time at a SZ KTV last year, taking a girl who was just like a high-school date. Her name was Ting Hua. She was great. Better than any GF I ever had in the US. Will try to find better talents this time. If all else fails, I still have her tel.
[QUOTE=Softy]Just a note for those of you that stay in central Dong Guan and do business in the Dalingshan district. There is new hotel option (about 1 year old) in the Dalingshan district called the Grand Oriental ([url]http://www.dijinghotel.cn[/url]).
This is a 5 star quality hotel and since their occupancy is not high yet, you can get rooms inexpensively. The last time I stayed there it was 568 RMB per night. Excellent service and best of all is the FS suana on the 5th floor. You get 2 hours with your choice of very attractive girls (on two trips they
Hope this report helps someone.
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Moody]I'm going to be in Dongguan next Wednesday. Can anybody tell me where I can go to have a good time... ;) ;) ;) you guys know what mean.... Appreciate any help.[/QUOTE]
Welcome back! I think we can have an orgy in my room again when we are there next week! Just like the last time round!
Clean out your PM, its full! Trying to send you the plans for next week!
To members who do not know:
Be very careful if you are bringing a group of girls into your hotel rooms all at the same time. The undercover cops around the hotel does keep watch of this. It is better that you ask mommies to send the girls to your room after doing your picks at the BBS. Don't enter the hotel together with the girls in groups, it attracts too much attention.
Man!!! Another ISG convention in CP next week!
AG
Oh By the way: Stop that "Can anybody tell me where I can go to have a good time....shit" You are a old timer.... let the newbies have a chance to practice!
[quote=szexpat]there's a really cool internet joint across the street from the virgin hotel where you can play world of warcraft (wow) or if your really old school, maybe a game of pac-man. hope this helps![/quote]
that is santa's favorite place for pass time in the daytime in cp! i am sure he can tell you that it has one of the best internet speed among all the internet cafes in cp!
just on this topic: anyone have any better ideals of what to do in cp beside the foot massage and saunas in the day time? it si fxxking boring in the day! of course with the exceptions of flirting around with the hotel staff or the shop assistants. all mongering activities are in the night!
ag
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]200 RMB for the girl to sit with you in KTV
500 RMB for ST
800 RMB for all night
Payable after the girl has done her job.
If you have problem communicating, they usually call an English-speaking person on the mobile who can interprete. It's hard to understand them with the noise and music going...[/QUOTE]
Minor add on:
Never pay the girls upfront! Regardless of whether it is 2, 5 or 8 service you are using them for. Once they have your money, you will expect lousy service! For the case of 200, (for the girl/s to sit with you), once you give her the money, means you want her to go and they will disappears!
AG
[quote=ace gallant][...]i am sure he can tell you that it has one of the best internet speed among all the internet cafes in cp![/quote]
and no access to isg, santa can tell you this too.
[quote=ace gallant]
just on this topic: anyone have any better ideals of what to do in cp beside the foot massage and saunas in the day time? it si fxxking boring in the day! of course with the exceptions of flirting around with the hotel staff or the shop assistants. all mongering activities are in the night![/quote]
playing pocket-pool-billiard (one white, one black ball, one hole), cleaning the hotel room yourself, removing and counting hairs left by gals, refilling your pez-pfizer-dispenser (isg edition), washing and preparing your special sex-toys for the night, thinking about if it's time to cut your nose hairs, body-building in front of bathroom mirror, checking if the bathtub is big enough for some new games with gals beside the shower (applies when staying at miraton), learning korean for conversation with the korean gal at 7/11 next to miraton, sitting and watching gals in front of the elevator (applies especially to the sitting area next to elevators at miraton), checking the candy bowl (applies especially to the one at miraton check-in -> if nearly empty, laowai123 was there before you :p), continuing writing down your memories "my time at yalan", walking around the catacombs to keep in mind why you are going to yalan and other areas in cp instead, ironing your special cp working underwear (isg edition), checking your condom stock, refilling your rubber stock and testing your korean language skills at 7/11 (applies only if "she" is on duty), going to mcdonald's to check if there is a new dish to impress your gal(s) with "hey, i know a new restaurant!", going to jiayi coffee shop around 5:30/6:00pm to check tonights available dishes at jiayi hotel, thinking about at which hotel you will stay when you are enough bored from the one you always stay, position yourself at the entrance next to 7/11 to show your presence mamas and gals when passing by (applies to miraton), playing piano at the lobby (applies to miraton and all other hotel having a piano at lobby), visiting zmt for an afternoon quicky to taste other local specialties, thinking about if you locked your home before you headed to cp, checking the status of your stocks at sha stock exchange, etc.
lw
[QUOTE=Laowai123]And no access to ISG, Santa can tell you this too.
Playing Pocket-Pool-Billiard (one white, one black ball, one hole), cleaning the hotel room yourself, removing and counting hairs left by gals, refilling your PEZ-Pfizer-Dispenser (ISG Edition), washing and preparing your special Sex-Toys for the night, thinking about if it's time to cut your nose hairs, body-building in front of bathroom mirror, checking if the bathtub is big enough for some new games with gals beside the shower (applies when staying at Miraton), learning Korean for conversation with the Korean gal at 7/11 next to Miraton, sitting and watching gals in front of the elevator (applies especially to the sitting area next to elevators at Miraton), checking the candy bowl (applies especially to the one at Miraton check-in -> if nearly empty, Laowai123 was there before you :p), continuing writing down your memories "My time at Yalan", walking around the catacombs to keep in mind why you are going to Yalan and other areas in CP instead, ironing your special CP working underwear (ISG edition), checking your condom stock, refilling your rubber stock and testing your Korean language skills at 7/11 (applies only if "she" is on duty), going to McDonald's to check if there is a new dish to impress your gal(s) with "Hey, I know a new restaurant!", going to JiaYi coffee shop around 5:30/6:00pm to check tonights available dishes at JiaYi hotel, thinking about at which hotel you will stay when you are enough bored from the one you always stay, position yourself at the entrance next to 7/11 to show your presence mamas and gals when passing by (applies to Miraton), playing piano at the lobby (applies to Miraton and all other hotel having a piano at lobby), visiting ZMT for an afternoon quicky to taste other local specialties, thinking about if you locked your home before you headed to CP, checking the status of your stocks at SHA Stock Exchange, etc.
LW[/QUOTE]
Santa told me he posted reports on ISG from the Cafe!
Hahahaha Laowai!! I just fell off my chair!
By the way: I was told; The Pianist at the Miraton is the mistress of the Hotel owner. All hotel owners in CP are mafias chief, so you better stay away from her!
AG
Hey guys... ag, santa...
you guys seen the line up at Jia Yi KTV... on weekend there is usually a startup line up in excess of five hundred fine ones.. even though if you guys do not like ktvs just walk in and see the line up. amazing shit
the hotel rate is also good. i do not know the weekend rate but the weekday rate is only 180rmb for the night. room rate that is. good to average rooms.
[QUOTE=Bnlee2]Hey guys... ag, santa...
you guys seen the line up at Jia Yi KTV... on weekend there is usually a startup line up in excess of five hundred fine ones.. even though if you guys do not like ktvs just walk in and see the line up. amazing shit[/QUOTE]
Some of us tried to see the girls without booking a room -> NO WAY! We would be able to see when paying for a room, even we dont want to stay. It seems they are trying to keep out people just going there to see the line up, I can understand this from both POVs, from the gals and management one.
If you want to see the gals, just go to the hotel or have a seat in the coffee shop there around 5:30/6:00. The gals are going to report for duty and coming out for dinner in the small restaurants during this time. Have fun!
[QUOTE=Bnlee2]
the hotel rate is also good. i do not know the weekend rate but the weekday rate is only 180rmb for the night. room rate that is. good to average rooms.[/QUOTE]
Yes, the hotel is fine. But, a little bit "far away" from downtown - meaning the main road between Lion Hotel and Miraton. But otherwise, you are next to Yalan.
LW
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Santa told me he posted reports on ISG from the Cafe![/QUOTE]
Oh, then maybe we are talking about a different one. The one I attended Santa blocked ISG and he was very sad about this, you could see it on his face ;). ISG is mostly blocked in "new" internet shops.
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]
By the way: I was told; The Pianist at the Miraton is the mistress of the Hotel owner. All hotel owners in CP are mafias chief, so you better stay away from her! AG[/QUOTE]
:eek: Ok, I will definitely not working down my questionnaire on her.
LW
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Welcome back! I think we can have an orgy in my room again when we are there next week! Just like the last time round!
Clean out your PM, its full! Trying to send you the plans for next week!
To members who do not know:
Be very careful if you are bringing a group of girls into your hotel rooms all at the same time. The undercover cops around the hotel does keep watch of this. It is better that you ask mommies to send the girls to your room after doing your picks at the BBS. Don't enter the hotel together with the girls in groups, it attracts too much attention.
Man!!! Another ISG convention in CP next week!
AG
Oh By the way: Stop that "Can anybody tell me where I can go to have a good time....shit" You are a old timer.... let the newbies have a chance to practice![/QUOTE]
LOL, Ok, I'll stop the shit..... ;) gonna be a day late, arriving Tuesday.... See ya then.... :D
Also, took care of the PM box thing.
[QUOTE=FoxySimone]hey guys,
I was just wondering. When they say 2-5-8 at the ktv, does it mean 200+500+800=1500 for some time there and to top that the drinks that you have? Or is this all inclusive?
What do you have to pay the girl after that for taking her to your room? Or is everything dome in some ktv room?
Sounds stupid but I will be mongering in some ktv in April so just wanted to check.
Thanks[/QUOTE]
The other replies I saw aren't exact about this and there might still be confusion. I'll try to be exact as possible. It's basically one or the other. If you sit with her and go home alone, you tip the girl 200 at the end of the evening. If you take her back to your hotel and want to have one shot with her, it's 500, that 500 also INCLUDES the sitting fee so you don't pay 700. If you take her back with you and you keep her all night until the morning, you pay her 800. That 800 includes everything and you don't have to give her anything more. Also, as AG said, pay the girl afterwards when everything is done and either you or the girl are ready to leave.
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]
Just on this topic: Anyone have any better ideals of what to do in CP beside the foot massage and Saunas in the day time? It si Fxxking boring in the day! Of course with the exceptions of flirting around with the hotel staff or the shop assistants. All mongering activities are in the night!
AG[/QUOTE]
Play golf.
[QUOTE=Nynyny]
Golden Lake Hotel, Tangxia
Li-Hwa hotel
Sheraton KTV
Cinese 7th floor
Crown Prince Hotel Sauna Building
Amazon Flower Market?
Hui Mei KTV
Yalan Hotel
Miraton Hotel
Jia Yi KTV
[/QUOTE]
To make it worse... a lot of these places are spread out. For instance, Tangxia is almost an hour from Cinese. Most of the ones you mentioned however, are pretty much within 10 minutes from CP. Crown Prince, Hui Mei, Yalan, Miraton, Jia Yi, Lion, New Century, are all within 5-10 minutes by car. Sheraton and Cinese are about 10 minutes apart by car too and another 10 minutes from Sheraton is Jia Hua. 10 minute walk from Sheraton will take you to Kande Club too and a bit further is the Haiyatt. About 10 minutes from Jia Hua is Lungchuen Int'l in Humen. Humen also has about 4 other big hotels that have KTV and sauna. Silverland, Parkview, and Springwood Harbor are all in Humen. Going the other way from Cinese is Exhibition Hotel in DG City. Dongcheng is also about 5-7 minutes by car from there. There's a lot more to Dongguan too, espcially lots of small hotels with small KTVs, but the places I mentioned are probably the safest...
was good looking and she can really play the piano. I was there before Christmas and took a few pics of her. The guy probably gets a kick out of showing her off, beauty and talents, to the public. Would never wanna tangle with a Chinese Mafia boss just for one pussy. There were plenty of young, pretty girls in CP. At the hotel breakfast in the morning, a lot of older guys were dining with young, pretty girls, 18,19.
I got used to that scene quickly. The driver brought over A Xa. She was very nice and sweet young girl with a beautiful body. She wore no make up or fragrance of any kind. She went to breakfast, lunch and dinner with me, feeding me lovingly. We went to town together. The poor girl kept looking at her baby's pic in her mobile.
The next day I had to go to the ATM to get some money to pay her. She was very demanding about a tip. I had to give her some which immediately cheered her up.
Will go to the Yalan hotel BBS next time to keep cost down.
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]
By the way: I was told; The Pianist at the Miraton is the mistress of the Hotel owner. All hotel owners in CP are mafias chief, so you better stay away from her!
AG[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Laowai123]Oh, then maybe we are talking about a different one. The one I attended Santa blocked ISG and he was very sad about this, you could see it on his face ;). ISG is mostly blocked in "new" internet shops.
[/QUOTE]If any site is blocked, even in a hotel, just use a proxy server with a laptop which gains access to any site in the world. If you are worried about travelling with an expensive laptop, just bring an old one with no personal/business info on it and it wont matter if it gets stolen. Another reason not to use an internet cafe is the words "International Sex Guide" displayed clearly on each page and your login name. Not eactly something you want someone else to notice.
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]All mongering activities are in the night![/QUOTE]False.
As the Yalan BBS shops are open around 2-3pm, waiting until night time to monger is wasting valuable reconnaisance time. If I check in at 2pm, I will have a girl by 3 (or even earlier if I have called a mama prior to arrival). Its a good way to take the edge off your 'needs' and relax before dinner. The following day, I have a girl visit before she starts work, pay her 150 (which is more than she would receive if being taken from her shop) and send her on her way.
[QUOTE=Laowai123]Some of us tried to see the girls without booking a room -> NO WAY! We would be able to see when paying for a room, even we dont want to stay. It seems they are trying to keep out people just going there to see the line up, I can understand this from both POVs, from the gals and management one.
If you want to see the gals, just go to the hotel or have a seat in the coffee shop there around 5:30/6:00. The gals are going to report for duty and coming out for dinner in the small restaurants during this time. Have fun!
Yes, the hotel is fine. But, a little bit "far away" from downtown - meaning the main road between Lion Hotel and Miraton. But otherwise, you are next to Yalan.
LW[/QUOTE]You do not need to book a ktv room to see the gals. There is a bar area where you could just sit with the gal to see the cabaret show or just chat at the bar. the cost is only a sitting fee... i do not think they charge you any but the drink price at the bar/lounge area. i have always book a room with my friends, but i see many sitting and chatting with the girls in the lounge bar area.
you are correct that you could see the talents walking in after 5pm at the hotel coffee shop but usually without their war paint and outfit. looking at them with their outfit is much more REVEALING
[QUOTE=Laowai123]Some of us tried to see the girls without booking a room -> NO WAY! We would be able to see when paying for a room, even we dont want to stay. It seems they are trying to keep out people just going there to see the line up, I can understand this from both POVs, from the gals and management one.
If you want to see the gals, just go to the hotel or have a seat in the coffee shop there around 5:30/6:00. The gals are going to report for duty and coming out for dinner in the small restaurants during this time. Have fun!
Yes, the hotel is fine. But, a little bit "far away" from downtown - meaning the main road between Lion Hotel and Miraton. But otherwise, you are next to Yalan.
LW[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bnlee2]you do not need to book a ktv room to see the gals. there is a bar area where you could just sit with the gal to see the cabaret show or just chat at the bar. the cost is only a sitting fee... i do not think they charge you any but the drink price at the bar/lounge area. i have always book a room with my friends, but i see many sitting and chatting with the girls in the lounge bar area.
you are correct that you could see the talents walking in after 5pm at the hotel coffee shop but usually without their war paint and outfit. looking at them with their outfit is much more REVEALING[/QUOTE]
Yes the lounge Area is a great place to see the girls coming into work. But you have to be there early. However your need to book a room to see the lines up or the Meat market. But there are ways to get around it: Read on:
Laowai, the last time the wouldn't let us view is my fault, I forgotten the regular managers names and did not have their numbers on my mongering phone (Memory full already). We could have view them if I had contacted the managers. But I eventually got you guys to view the girls in Amazon without a room booking remember? That's because I remembered to KJ's there. So for those of you who wants to just view, it easy, get a Manager's name and number from us, call them. They will get you in.
I do not recommend staying in Jia Yi Hotel. That area is not a very safe area. Talk to the locals and they will tell you the same thing.
AG
Can anyone post a scan of Jia Yi hotel or KTV business card.
Also, if you guys can post some scanned cards of other interesting places/ktvs, it would be appreciated.
Its a lot easier that way to explain to the taxi guys.
If not, can I have the exact address of Jia Yi?
Hey Moody are you stayin at the Miraton?
I'm in town for a couple of days. I saw a whole bunch of non-asians checkin in.
Went to this KTV spot by the jiayi hotel. It is unbelievable what 's here! The girls are ALL lined up. Waiting for people to pick them up. The mommies are trying to get you to buy.
We all grabbed a few chics. The ones we didn't like we paid the sit down fee and got rid of them and hung out with the ones we wanted.
The one I got was cute. SMALL frame. Not my normal likes but she was cute. When we went out to eat she was very serving to my needs. She washed my spoon and chopsticks, fed me etc etc. I thought this was going to be a good night. Got back showered up. She didn't pay too much attention to my stuff. She would BJ at all. I wasn't going to force. She wanted me to get on top. HELL no. Grabbed her and had her ride me. Was going to kick her out but she plunked down and fell asleep.
Let's see how it goes in the morning.
[QUOTE=Moody]LOL, Ok, I'll stop the shit..... ;) gonna be a day late, arriving Tuesday.... See ya then.... :D
Also, took care of the PM box thing.[/QUOTE]
Hey Rising this is too funny! I just got in the Miraton and I was just reading up on the DG action and i saw your post. I might be your neighbor. LOL.
Did you goto The KTV by JiaYi hotel tonight?
[QUOTE=Rising Son]Hi, all -
Still on for March 4-18 in ChangPing. Will be at the Miraton and will (I hope) get a SIM card pretty quickly. When I do I'll send the number to anyone who wants it.
I'd love to meet anyone who will be there. If you want to check and see whether I do actually try to repay the forum for all it's given me, look at my long report on Phnom Penh posted a couple of days ago.
All the best -- hope to see you.
RS[/QUOTE]
Has anyone heard of people getting arrested in Chang Ping recently within the last week? I read on another place there were some arrests recently of guys and girls. Lots of undercover cops ( Gong An ) asking suspected guys or couples questions?
There were even some checks of saunas including in five star hotels.
[QUOTE=Nynyny]
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This thread points to several recent locations:
Golden Lake Hotel, Tangxia
Li-Hwa hotel
Sheraton KTV
Cinese 7th floor
Crown Prince Hotel Sauna Building
Amazon Flower Market?
Hui Mei KTV
Yalan Hotel
Miraton Hotel
Jia Yi KTV
Unlike Shenzen of Beijing, where one to three areas are primarily discussed, Dongguan locations are very spread out. I am planning on staying in CP for a week to relax and take in as many high quality 9-10 range girls as possible.
Ideally I need to map out a plan and visit places that have 100 girls plus at a time. BBS has never been my thing since its hit or miss to find those high quality girls. KTV's are tricky by youself, so the main places I like to visit are hotels where the girls are available for viewing up-front or at a general bar area.
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[/QUOTE]
Five maps of Dongguan area and Southern China.
1st is for Dongguan Area
2nd is for most of Southern China
3rd Airport location Map
4th Shenzhen and Railroad Map
5th map listing most of the hotels in Houjie like Sheraton and Cinese
I'm still at a lost for what started this flame war because a lot of the posts were deleted by the admin.
arrived in changping a little more than two days ago, and my head is spinning.
okay, two days here is like some sort of stephen hawking experiment in time relativity: so much can happen that it seems like most of the hours have been compressed into minutes, and then there are some minutes – in my case with a willing and enthusiastic young lady from yalan – that can seem like hours. really good hours. the kind of hours that are so good they should get names, like hurricanes: this was hour jie jie.
but as good as jie jie was, what has made this trip so amazing is the guys from this forum who took a total china greenhorn in hand and showed me the secret maps, price structures, and other essential travel tips to get the best out of changping. thanks to oah, who had beat the tom-toms about my arrival, i was met within a couple of hours by santa and szexpat, who introduced bad boy and me to the glories of the yalan area, where jie jie was waiting for me. (she has the trick that makes a really first-class girl in my opinion – she makes you feel like she's been sitting in that room for weeks, waiting for you to come through the door.) and it was great to see yalan for the first time with these two guys, both of whom know every door in the area, and were generous enough to open them all for me.
on the second day, oah showed up, and then a whole cloud of forum members: ace gallant (to whom we all bowed in the lobby of the miraton), laowai 123, wadman, and horny asian dog. meeting these guys after reading their posts for so long made me feel like a kid whose collection of baseball cards had suddenly come to life.
along with santa and szexpat, most of us made a return trip to yalan that was like the lewis and clark expedition if the lewis and clark expedition had had six guides, all of whom wanted to go in different directions at the same time. it took a while, but we eventually hit every door in yalan, and by the end of the trip, certain patterns had become clear. first, oah is a list-maker. he gets the name and number of every girl in every shop who interests him and then agonizes over which one to take. (at one point he asked me if i had a coin so he could flip it to make up his mind.) santa is always, and i mean always, offered the girl i like best. it's uncanny: i look around, spot one who stops my heart, and the mama immediately grabs her and steers her straight to santa. the other guys pick them like major-league pros eying a high-school baseball team. (wadman is so fast i still don't know where his girl came from.)
on this trip i wound up with a girl who had apparently had a stopwatch implanted surgically in her brain. she knew to the second how long she had been in the room and how long she was willing to remain in the room. it was a little bit like trying to get it off on the space shuttle during countdown. if i ever introduce anyone else to changping, i can at least show you one to avoid.
dinner that evening was fascinating, in part because santa (with yet another of the girls i had wanted) apparently decided to go monogamous and showed up with her in tow. god, she was sweet. twirling spoonfuls of the world's longest noodles for him, getting up to pour our cokes and/or beers, and just generally looking like god's latest draft of a great girl: woman 4.0 or something. she couldn't follow the conversation at the table, which was just as well, because taken as a group, this bunch could author the wikipedia entry on world mongering. there was no corner of the globe that didn't get discussed. red ropes? ask ag. shanghai nightclubs? ag again. macau? oah and everyone at the table. german f*k clubs and small towns in czechoslovakia? laowai 123. and horny asian dog weighed in with a sort of michelin guide to places so obscure i didn't even realize they had two sexes. santa was relatively quiet, what with getting his noodles twirled and all.
at one point, we all raised our glasses and toasted jackson, who made all this possible. jackson has certainly earned the keys to heaven.
after dinner, naturally, oah insisted we visit the infamous catacombs. for those of you who frequented svay pak during its heyday, the catacombs are (is?) a little like svay pak with pavement. (and minus the **** stuff that got svay pak shut down.) the similarities are the freshness and aggressiveness of the girls, most of whom look like they've lived on cotton candy their entire lives and have never said a nasty word, and the really remarkable grottiness of the rooms. there's nothing wrong with the rooms that couldn't be fixed in about half an hour with a fire hose full of disinfectant, a dozen rat traps, and an armload of fresh linen, but it might ruin the ambiance. the difference from sp is that each room has one girl, while in sp, there were 20 to 40 in each house.
after the visit to the catacombs, during which two groups of us wandered around through the maze of alleys talking to each other on cell phones and trying to meet up (“what do you mean, you're at the swimming pool? what swimming pool?”) we finally joined forces. since this group apparently gets regular i.v. drips of straight red bull, they all decided to check out the houses near the miraton. i tried to beg off and was immediately guilt-tripped by oah and the others, who showed me text messages on their phones inviting them to changping just to meet rising son and told grim stories about how far they'd driven, or flown, or windsurfed, to get there.
at this point the evening gets a little fuzzy. i remember a lot more rooms with a lot more girls in them, including one cramped hotel room that looked like it was trying for the guinness book of world records entry for largest number of hookers in a standard single room, and i remember wadman (i think) somehow materializing another girl i didn't see him choose, and oah lining up with an interestingly matched pair – one very tall and the other shorter than tom cruise. (by the way, if you're a changping girl who'd like to snag oah, i have one word for you: boots. buy 'em and wear 'em. calf length and preferably in a bright color.)
me, i crept back to bed and dreamed about jie jie. and today we get to do it all over again.
thanks, guys.
rs
[QUOTE=FoxySimone]Can anyone post a scan of Jia Yi hotel or KTV business card.
Its a lot easier that way to explain to the taxi guys.
If not, can I have the exact address of Jia Yi?[/QUOTE]
Card above: Jia Yi /Tao Yuan Recreation - KTV
Card below: Jia Yi Hotel; call the handwritten mobile number (137-..., Zheng ZhuoMei) for room booking)
Just tell taxi driver to go to "Jia Yi" or "Tao Yuan".
To get to know other places in CP:
- contact e.g. members being there frequently in CP (RTFF) to get an invitation when being in town next time; your chinese mobile phone number is needed -> no mobile phone number, no invitation!
- in case you want to stay at Miraton, additionaly your real name is needed to book for company rate
- RTFF, e.g. search for "Google Earth" in this DG thread, you will find posts from me including Google Earth files with locations to get an overview.
LW
[blue]Greetings Everyone,
I recently cleaned up this thread by deleting a number of off-topic and otherwise worthless posts by Azn Playa, as well as a number responses made by other forum members to these deleted posts.
This cleanup process is not perfect, and it's possible that I may have inadvertently deleted a few otherwise legitimate posts. If you find that your own report was also deleted, please don't take it personally.
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
[quote=rising son]arrived in changping a little more than two days ago, and my head is spinning.
okay, two days here is like some sort of stephen hawking experiment in time relativity: so much can happen that it seems like most of the hours have been compressed into minutes, and then there are some minutes – in my case with a willing and enthusiastic young lady from yalan – that can seem like hours. really good hours. the kind of hours that are so good they should get names, like hurricanes: this was hour jie jie.
but as good as jie jie was, what has made this trip so amazing is the guys from this forum who took a total china greenhorn in hand and showed me the secret maps, price structures, and other essential travel tips to get the best out of changping. thanks to oah, who had beat the tom-toms about my arrival, i was met within a couple of hours by santa and szexpat, who introduced bad boy and me to the glories of the yalan area, where jie jie was waiting for me. (she has the trick that makes a really first-class girl in my opinion – she makes you feel like she's been sitting in that room for weeks, waiting for you to come through the door.) and it was great to see yalan for the first time with these two guys, both of whom know every door in the area, and were generous enough to open them all for me.
on the second day, oah showed up, and then a whole cloud of forum members: ace gallant (to whom we all bowed in the lobby of the miraton), laowai 123, wadman, and horny asian dog. meeting these guys after reading their posts for so long made me feel like a kid whose collection of baseball cards had suddenly come to life.
along with santa and szexpat, most of us made a return trip to yalan that was like the lewis and clark expedition if the lewis and clark expedition had had six guides, all of whom wanted to go in different directions at the same time. it took a while, but we eventually hit every door in yalan, and by the end of the trip, certain patterns had become clear. first, oah is a list-maker. he gets the name and number of every girl in every shop who interests him and then agonizes over which one to take. (at one point he asked me if i had a coin so he could flip it to make up his mind.) santa is always, and i mean always, offered the girl i like best. it's uncanny: i look around, spot one who stops my heart, and the mama immediately grabs her and steers her straight to santa. the other guys pick them like major-league pros eying a high-school baseball team. (wadman is so fast i still don't know where his girl came from.)
on this trip i wound up with a girl who had apparently had a stopwatch implanted surgically in her brain. she knew to the second how long she had been in the room and how long she was willing to remain in the room. it was a little bit like trying to get it off on the space shuttle during countdown. if i ever introduce anyone else to changping, i can at least show you one to avoid.
dinner that evening was fascinating, in part because santa (with yet another of the girls i had wanted) apparently decided to go monogamous and showed up with her in tow. god, she was sweet. twirling spoonfuls of the world's longest noodles for him, getting up to pour our cokes and/or beers, and just generally looking like god's latest draft of a great girl: woman 4.0 or something. she couldn't follow the conversation at the table, which was just as well, because taken as a group, this bunch could author the wikipedia entry on world mongering. there was no corner of the globe that didn't get discussed. red ropes? ask ag. shanghai nightclubs? ag again. macau? oah and everyone at the table. german f*k clubs and small towns in czechoslovakia? laowai 123. and horny asian dog weighed in with a sort of michelin guide to places so obscure i didn't even realize they had two sexes. santa was relatively quiet, what with getting his noodles twirled and all.
at one point, we all raised our glasses and toasted jackson, who made all this possible. jackson has certainly earned the keys to heaven.
after dinner, naturally, oah insisted we visit the infamous catacombs. for those of you who frequented svay pak during its heyday, the catacombs are (is?) a little like svay pak with pavement. (and minus the **** stuff that got svay pak shut down.) the similarities are the freshness and aggressiveness of the girls, most of whom look like they've lived on cotton candy their entire lives and have never said a nasty word, and the really remarkable grottiness of the rooms. there's nothing wrong with the rooms that couldn't be fixed in about half an hour with a fire hose full of disinfectant, a dozen rat traps, and an armload of fresh linen, but it might ruin the ambiance. the difference from sp is that each room has one girl, while in sp, there were 20 to 40 in each house.
after the visit to the catacombs, during which two groups of us wandered around through the maze of alleys talking to each other on cell phones and trying to meet up (“what do you mean, you're at the swimming pool? what swimming pool?”) we finally joined forces. since this group apparently gets regular i.v. drips of straight red bull, they all decided to check out the houses near the miraton. i tried to beg off and was immediately guilt-tripped by oah and the others, who showed me text messages on their phones inviting them to changping just to meet rising son and told grim stories about how far they'd driven, or flown, or windsurfed, to get there.
at this point the evening gets a little fuzzy. i remember a lot more rooms with a lot more girls in them, including one cramped hotel room that looked like it was trying for the guinness book of world records entry for largest number of hookers in a standard single room, and i remember wadman (i think) somehow materializing another girl i didn't see him choose, and oah lining up with an interestingly matched pair – one very tall and the other shorter than tom cruise. (by the way, if you're a changping girl who'd like to snag oah, i have one word for you: boots. buy 'em and wear 'em. calf length and preferably in a bright color.)
me, i crept back to bed and dreamed about jie jie. and today we get to do it all over again.
thanks, guys.
rs[/quote]
ha ha...i couldn't help smiling when reading this great post. it definitely has to do with the fact that i'm somewhat familiar with the isg members you posted about and with cp itself...
i'd give this a "rtalttuccawcsioianoafmetmomnboitsfm", but jackson thinks simple rod is easier, so i have, ha ha...
j
She was my day time escort, taking me sight seeing in CP ect...
The reception staff at the Miraton emphasized that she does not do sex. Well, after the tour, I had an extended tour with her in bed anyway. She enjoyed our session so much I should have charged her the normal KTV rate, hehehe.
A very nice, sweet, pretty girl.
After work, rolled into CP around 8 pm where I checked into the Hua Yu since Santa was staying there and recommended it. The room was clean and nice; it’s a kind of “no-frills” place that has no KTV, restaurant, massage, etc., but for 160 rmb on Saturday and 130 rmb on the weekday, it was a good deal. However, I did notice the girls did not seem so excited about it nor did it help matters, when you’re in a van full of guys who are staying in the Miraton. Well, mongering cheap is the name of the game when you do it every weekend.
After getting settled, Santa and I rolled down to the Miraton to meet Rising Son and Badboy and decided to show them the BBS’s over by the Ya Lan. We were a little surprised during our tour to find the shops cleaned out of girls, but then realizing that even when I left from Shenzhen to go to CP, I had to wait for the 3rd bus due to the long line of local monger’s also heading there!
Eventually, we made way back to the Hui Mei stables and I chose a sweet girl from Hunan.
Name: Wan Lan
Age: Chinese 18
Home: Hunan
Looks: 7
Body: 7
Skills: 5 she was very reluctant for BBBJ, but eventually I got it, Mish, ACG, no Doggie (hated even having her ass touched).
Damage: 100 plus 100 (I am a big, white laowai with tattoo's, 200 is what they normally charge me. I know my Asian bro's and some seasoned vets get it for 150, but I ain't there yet)
Afterwards, met up with Santa again and we sat around a little restaurant, drank beer till 3 am. Afterwards, feeling a little horny and Santa wanting to call it a night, I walked in front of the Lucky Hotel where I was approached by a good looking mommy (I love the mommies). She walked me back to my room and called some girls over, but the 3 she showed, did nothing for me.
I told the mommy I wanted to pop her and she agreed! This mommy had it going on, she had undergone a boob job and had some nice big ones (OAH you will like her).
Name: CRS
Age: 24
Home: Hubei
Looks: 7 had shoulder length hair with a partial red dye job and hair pulled up.
Body: 9 had a smoking hot body! Fake boobs, had a scroll style tattoo under her naval that was vertical across her waist, shaved kitten (very little hair)
Skills: 9 she liked it heavy, hard and any which way I wanted. Might be a little too aggressive, but since I was buzzed, I hammered away for quite some time which she really loved.
Damage: 300 (Mommies are the bosses and normally do not go with the customers and charge more if she does, so I find it interesting and challenging. Anyone ever popped the wavy red haired mommy from the Ya Lan yet?)
She refused to allow me to take a photo of her and I did not see her back on the street Sunday or Monday. She works between the Thai Restaurant and the Lucky Hotel and well worth getting. Normally, I don’t think she does this (might have a husband or bf), but she apparently needed money and didn’t have any girls for me at that time.
I passed out a little after 5 am.
Great report Rising Son. I will just add my personal experience.
As many of you know, I am the most indecisive monger on the planet. I keep going from shop to shop thinking there will be a better one at the next one. I am usually the last of the group to select a girl. Of all the shops we went to, I reckon the one in the KTV across from Yalan had the best talent.
The first one I did was absolutely among the best service I've had in CP. I can't remember who, but I do remember a couple of fellow ISG mongers have done her. BBBJ, AR, FS in multiple positions (her cowgirl and reverse cowgirl skills were second to none!); the whole 9 yards. However, she was a ST girl; meaning after I popped she was up and out of there. It may have been that she had another punter waiting. When I went into the shop to grab her, she was sitting with one guy. I paid the mama just as I saw the guy reach in his wallet to take her. Being a regular customer, the mama told her to go with me, but I saw her exchange digits with the guy. Evidently, he was waiting for her. Anyway, she can be found in the shop up the alley across the street from the Yalan. She has red hair and an earring in her nose. Sorry, I did not get her name.
The pair to which RS referred were not that great. The tall one had a pussy odor and, contrary to the mama's promise, they made me change condoms. Way too much of that "fake" moaning. Having said that, I might do the shorter one again. They can be found in the hotel on the left side of the alley behind the Hui Mei Hotel.
I must say that the catacomb girls looked pretty good this time. They are really friendly and love to joke around. I had not been over there in awhile and I was reminiscing about the old days mongering with Emperor Cronin there. For 30 RMB, you can't go wrong if you can bear the accomodations. Although most of the girls declined, a couple were willing to do takeaway for 100 ST and 300 LT. I made a mental note to hit that place again soon.
OAH
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]She was my day time escort, taking me sight seeing in CP ect...
The reception staff at the Miraton emphasized that she does not do sex. Well, after the tour, I had an extended tour with her in bed anyway.
A very nice, sweet, pretty girl.[/QUOTE]
Hi One Wing Low,
Is Xia Xia staff of Miraton. SHe looks so familiar I must have bumped into her during my stay at Miraton for 2 weeks back in October06.
How much she charges for the day time escort? There were a couple of cuties "Yi Wu Yuan' cleaners on Level 18 always bring me some fruits - Pear & Apple & I always keep it for my night pal!!
Downunder96
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]She was my day time escort, taking me sight seeing in CP ect...
The reception staff at the Miraton emphasized that she does not do sex. Well, after the tour, I had an extended tour with her in bed anyway.
A very nice, sweet, pretty girl.[/QUOTE]
One Wing Low,
even if there maybe are no rules from the owner of the hotel concerning going to guests room (I have the information, that there are no such rules and the staff can go to guest rooms), can you imagine that she maybe will get into troubles when posting pictures (especially one like the second one) on a public board?
I would not like to get appropriate comments from colleagues being her? Would you?
Maybe you think I am taking it too serious, maybe...but she is not a hooker ans so not in need to take care on her future life from the point of having/getting a real job. She maybe has to take care...and maybe doesn't know that you shot the pic where she is in underwear.
Enjoy what you could and can do beside "normal" monger ways, but try to respect the situation of the involved person.
m2c
LW
PS:
Comments welcome!
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]
I must say that the catacomb girls looked pretty good this time. They are really friendly and love to joke around. I had not been over there in awhile and I was reminiscing about the old days mongering with Emperor Cronin there. For 30 RMB, you can't go wrong if you can bear the accomodations. Although most of the girls declined, a couple were willing to do takeaway for 100 ST and 300 LT. I made a mental note to hit that place again soon.[/QUOTE]
OAH,
I agree with you, the selection there was really not as bad as expected and for 100/300 you maybe will not go wrong, at least for 100 ST. I can imagine, that the chance to get good service from them, even maybe not the full ISG To-Do-Checklist, is higher, as taking them out and paying this price maybe for them is like Christmas/Eastern/Birthday for us. Let me know when you follow your mental note and I will "try" to end my "40 Days, 40 Nights"-time ;).
LW
She willingly gave me the pics, lots of pics, and allowed me to post.
Let her take care of her own life.
Who are you to be concerned about her future?
[QUOTE=Laowai123]One Wing Low,
get into troubles when posting pictures (especially one like the second one) on a public board?
I would not like to get appropriate comments from colleagues being her? Would you?
Maybe you think I am taking it too serious, maybe...but she is not a hooker ans so not in need to take care on her future life from the point of having/getting a real job. She maybe has to take care...and maybe doesn't know that you shot the pic where she is in underwear.
LW
PS:
Comments welcome![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]She willingly gave me the pics and allowed me to post.[/QUOTE]
She said you could post them on International Sex Guide for 1000's of Horny Mongerer's to see? In my books, that makes her a naughty little minx. I will go and seek her out next weekend for a little mattress rodeo myself.
-SZE
I write this somewhat brief report knowing the fact that AG, Wadman, OAH, Moody and friend are STILL at the Las Vegas KTV in Shenzhen singing to their hearts content. Each with a beautiful girl in tow.
It is always a pleasure to see old friends, OAH and Wadman. And make new ones, AG, SZExpat, Santa, Laowai123 and Badboy. Of course we can't forget out guest of honor, Rising Son.
Just a couple of comments. Despite OAH being the most indecisive mongering, it's always a hoot to see him conversing with everyone. From the mommys to the girls, to random passerbys waiting in cars and motocycle taxi riders. However, going forward, I will no longer insist of following OAH to the end of the whole tour since by that time I will have a dizzying array of choices and forgetting which girl was at which shop.
Rising Son. Thanks for the compliment but I think I only chimed in about Germanny FKK Clubs, Cezch Republic and Macau. You may have mistaken me for AG in being the Michelin guide. Remember to check out Macau before you head back Cambodia.
If I ever go to the CP catacombs late at night, and I had to pick one mongering for backup, it will have to be SZExpat. And you know what bro? If I am not mistaken your price was the same as mine last night, RMB150. Just a quick comment, the night market in CP by the CP Hospital is alive and well. 3 shops, 60 or so girls. That was where SZExpat and I went after everyone else has picked their girls.
AG has a wealth of knowledge, and is always entertaining as ever. He too recieved many ovations for the information that he has so selflessly shared on this board. I look forward to mongering with you again.
Wadman, many thanks for bringing me back to SZ. As always it is appreciated. Seems like every time I see Wadman he is driving me home, which is as close to Hong Kong as he can possibly get.
Laowai123. Thanks for showing me the hangouts in ZhangMuTou. You helped me picked the most exquisite piece of tail I had the past two days. And thanks to all those who had to wait for me while I ravaged her. (No AG, I am NOT a "gold fish" man, and don't go telling RasSpewtin either!) Got to work out my German too!
Santa had a slight problem that I have faced before. And I will quickly mention that cash is king in CP as no banks in the small towns will change travellers checks. However, I would also like to mention that change all the RMB you need in GZ or SZ. as I wanted to change some USD cash to RMB at the Miraton and they wouldn't take it! Great excuse for you to come down and visit us in SZ! BTW, they will take you travellers checks gladly in Macau!
Bad Boy, all I can say is.....you are one Bad Boy.
HAD out
Since everybody had posted their bit, it would be not very nice of me to keep quiet.
This is the second time I had a chance to monger in CP in the good company of a big group of members from the ISG. In both, I enjoyed very much the company of everyone in the group and hope that we will have many more chances of such event. Thanks to everyone in the group.
As mentioned by Rising Sun, special thanks to Jackson as without ISG, this would not be possible.
Weelock: Please do not be overly paranoid about those raids or "secret police" it is still quite safe in CP
Johnnykon: You are missing too much! Suggest you join us in the next few days.
AG
We beg you not to f*ck anybody until we get back there to assist you.
Bill
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]
Weelock: Please do not be overly paranoid about those raids or "secret police" it is still quite safe in CP
AG[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Since everybody had posted their bit, it would be not very nice of me to keep quiet.
This is the second time I had a chance to monger in CP in the good company of a big group of members from the ISG. In both, I enjoyed very much the company of everyone in the group and hope that we will have many more chances of such event. Thanks to everyone in the group.
As mentioned by Rising Sun, special thanks to Jackson as without ISG, this would not be possible.
Weelock: Please do not be overly paranoid about those raids or "secret police" it is still quite safe in CP
Johnnykon: You are missing too much! Suggest you join us in the next few days.
AG[/QUOTE]
I should be in CP this weekend...
And see you in ZH?
J
PS. Don't worry, Billcey, I'm just going to, uhhh..."look around"...
You better look behind you.
(cause you know who's in town)
Billy
[QUOTE=Johnnykon666]I should be in CP this weekend...
PS. Don't worry, Billcey, I'm just going to, uhhh..."look around"...[/QUOTE]
After getting up around noon, Santa and I rolled out to meet Rising Son and Badboy for lunch and then we decided to do a late afternoon tour of the stables. The Ya Lan, Baby's and other shops certainly had more girls this time around! I decided it was in my best interest not to pickup a girl from that area since I am working on getting a mommy from there and I have a little WG from CoCo's shop that considers me her boyfriend (I was able to avoid her all 3 days but my mobile phone caught hell).
After the other 3 fella's grabbed girls, I decided to walk from the Swan Lake KTV back to the Miraton and see what all the shops had to offer for merchandise. I actually fond a shop that sells Western brands with the Western sizes (this stuff is real) and ended up buying a couple of golf shirts.
After dinner with the guys, Santa and I found a little hole in the wall and sat around drinking beer, met up with my mommy and her friend and watched the fireworks. After the festivities were all over, I had another urge for a late night snack, but all the shops had closed (Santa and I drink beer far into the wee hours of the morning) I decided to try my luck in front of the Lucky Hotel again and was immediately greeted by a mommy asking if I wanted one of her two girls who were sitting in a van. Neither was very pretty, but they were certainly young and new to this game that I couldn’t resist taking both.
Names: Does it matter? Xiao mie and xiao mie mie
Ages: Chinese 18 and Chinese 19, that’s what they told me
Home: Hunan and Guangxi
Looks: 6
Body: 7 Nothing special except young and tight
Skills: 8 Not skilled, but very eager to learn
Damage: 300 for both (I do get good deals sometimes)
They both showered together as I watched which was quite erotic! At first they were really shy to this kind of thing, one would close her eyes as I was playing with the other, but once we got into the intercourse and I had worked out both of them, they really started getting into it by watching as I did the other, touching my ass and balls as I did the other one doggie. Overall, it was a really fun experience.
After getting a call from OAH that his ETA was less than 30 minutes, I went over to Santa’s room and drug his ass out of bed. After meeting a few of the guys, some of us decided to take in a foot massage before heading out to the stables. It was quite a cool experience meeting up with such a large crew of Mongerer’s to include OAH, AG, Santa, Wadman, Horny Asian Dawg, Laowai123, Badboy and the new Chinese Monger Rising Son! I cannot imagine what those girls thought when we all walked into the room!
After doing the grand tour, I was hungry for a really dark skinned girl and found her over at the Swan Lake KTV. I have seen her there numerous times so I knew she was a pro, but I just wanted some brown sugar this time and she was good.
Name: Xiao Lan
Age: Chinese 19
Home: Chongqing
Looks: 8
Body: 8
Skills: 7
Damage: 100 plus 150
She did not like her face touched due to all her makeup (notice she paints her face white, but some had rubbed off her nose) She is a really sweet brown skin beauty and should be happy with her natural looks, but I know how the Chinese guy looks at her.
After a great dinner and great time with all the guys, we decided to the catacombs and the Hui Mei area. After everyone had departed, the only two left were HAD and myself so we decided to try out the Girls Market. I had heard from some others that this place was dead, but I soon found out that was erroneous information and as HAD said, there must have been 60 or more girls just wandering around or eating the little snacks. We both picked out a couple of girls and headed back to the hotel.
Name: A. Ying
Age: Chinese 19
Home: Hunan
Looks: 7
Body: 7
Skills: 8 She actually picked me and any girl that wanted me as bad as she did, deserves some service.
Damage: 150 (Thanks to HAD, I owe ya one)
It was a great 3 days and I wished I could have met Moody, maybe next time. I really enjoy the camaraderie and support my brothers give me, my transition into China could not have been so easy without their help, I hope to return the favor to others. Thanks Jackson for creating ISG, though we are here to talk about sex, it’s more like a brotherhood of guys from all walks of life. Maybe we should get ISG rings for us to wear!
Looking forward to my next trip to CP! Santa if I pop 6 mommies, then I will change my handle to MommiesBoy in honor of you, but I still got 2 more to go….hahaha
Man, these reports make me envious that i could not be there for this informal convention. Anyways, i hope that someone from this forum will be there during 10th-14th april so we can meet up. :-)
As this is my first time in dongguan, how big is the area? i'll be staying at winnerway hotel which seems to be in dongcheng. how far should CP be from there? or the jia yi ktv?
let's set up something to meet up if any of you guys are there in April.
Cheers !
Will visit CP from 11-21. Any ISG mongers will be highly welcomed and appreciated to "working" together. Pm me if you need my local cell phone number.
I am arriving in Macau around 5.15 pm (on the 8th) and going straight into Zhuhai (never know how long it will take - say 90 minutes if long gueues.
Looking for any people who would like to split the cost of an MPV - (500 rmb to be divided ) for getting from there to Cp quick!
Pls PM me in the next 7 hours! Sorry for the late notice!
Golden Lake
Bit cold yesterday so decided to go to Sauna. Chose after view 2 line ups. Xiao Yang form Henan. A solid 8.
First slightly unusual thing was she started kissing me in the sauna and BBJ. She straddled me aiming to use her thighs to massage by erect dee dee. However, it accidentally found its way into the vagina.
Second slightly unusual thing is as she was scrubing me, I felt her in the **** and ass and she was moaning as I inserted thumb in ass and second and third finger in vagina.
Third slightly unusual thing was she really enjoyed DATY with finger in the ass.
Finally, as I was doing her doggie, her ass hole kept gaping. So I merely inserted dee dee in it. She started moaning and crying but did not pull away. I asked her whether it is painful and she said "it is too good". I then fucked her for about 10 minutes in the ass and if 25 years of mongering is any help, I think she came a number of times.
After I came, we rested and I extended. I fucked her again; slow lanqourous, in ass again.
I gave her 1000. I went up to my room @ Golden Lake. At 12 midnight, as I was watching TV, there was a soft knock on the door. There she was again. She stayed the night for nothing. In the morning, some more ass action.
She said she has never had anal before and wanted to enjoy a new sensation.
Sometimes, even working girls get worked up.
Hi all,
New here.
I should have got to know this site eariler.
I've been to CP three times within 2 mths.
Is an enjoyment, but I realise I got conned by a WG.
I will learn to post my reports soon.
AG,
Three days ago, I saw a post on another forum about undercover cops ,”secret police” in CP. Since nobody else had a report in ISG about the possibility of undercover cops/RAIDS, I went ahead and posted a report asking if anyone knew anything. I'm sorry if it's a false rumor.
Humm, “Overly paranoid”, now what’s this about security for this weekend will be tighter and traveling in large groups. I thought you said CP is quite safe? Hopefully nothing happens and both sources are just false rumors.
I don’t want CP to look like another ShaZui, Shenzhen. ShaZui was my favor place. What's this orgy thing I keep hearing about or it's just another rumor.
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]
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Ok jokes aside.....My regular mummies told me that if we want girls this weekend, it is better be there early. Because most of them are still not back from hometown or the new supplies had not arrive. On the other hand, information from my connections told me that the security for this weekend will be tighter so try to stay indoors (KTV, Saunas) Try not to walk around in big groups or if possible.... avoid the Yalan areas. I'll leave it up to you guys to decide whether you want to try your luck.
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[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Weelock]AG,
Three days ago, I saw a post on another forum about undercover cops ,”secret police” in CP. Since nobody else had a report in ISG about the possibility of undercover cops, I went ahead and posted a report asking if anyone knew anything. I'm sorry if it's a false rumor.
Humm, “Overly paranoid”, now what’s this about security for this weekend will be tighter and traveling in large groups. I thought you said CP is quite safe? Hopefully nothing happens and both are just false rumors. I don’t want CP to look like another ShaZui, Shenzhen. ShaZui was my favor place. What' this orgy thing I keep hearing about or it's just another rumor.[/QUOTE]
I am not an expert on CP or Mongering, but I have been out in CP every weekend for almost 3 months now and don't think it's much of a problem. I was actually chatting with a mommy behind the Hui Mei once when a cop van came through and I wanted to beat feet, but the mommy said no problem and she was right, they just drove past us. I was also at the #1 Shop and a cop came back there while I had a girl with me, but he just smiled and went on.
The only real threat I had was with the gang over in the Catacombs, when a motorcycle with two security cops came in and stopped and looked at us. Could be they were curious or maybe they were giving us the evil eye, either way no big deal.
I think paranoia, kind of runs in cycles in this hobby. If your an Asian punter then maybe they will be more hard on you, but I can just use the I am a stupid, lost laowai trick if I need.
-SZE
I am not sure why quite a few mongers responded to my post about Xiao, my day-time escort.
I arrived one night at the Miraton and took a girl from a KTV. It did not work out. 1AM I went to the Hui Hua KTV. The girls were all gone and I was not allowed to take their beautiful hostesses, so I took Jia Jia the mamasan.
Jia Jia is probably in her late 20's, doing everything purposefully like any executive. Her business card said 'Corporate Communications Manager' for the Hui Hua. She took me back to the Miraton through the back door and we had a very hot 'communication' session in bed. Jia Jia knew how to enjoy herself sexually and was not too bashful about it. It felt like having a lurid affair with one of those management bitches at work. She was cool and I liked her a lot.
Next morning I called Jia Jia, asking the Miraton reception staff to interprete, to take her out to lunch. The girls at the Miraton all knew Jia Jia and were all smiling mischieviously. Like all good KTV girls, Jia Jia was still sleeping at noon and was in no shape to go out with me. I asked the Miraton to get me a driver and a girl to show me the town. The prices for the driver and escort were agreed with the Miraton. They said it again and again that this girl would not do sex; just company.
Salin the driver came to pick me up with Xiao in his car. He took me out of Chong Ping to the Cultural Park. It’s like Disneyland with many temples in it. I took Xiao, hands in hands, on the walking tour, with Salin following behind. We went into a few temples. Xiao lit the incense, prayed and consulted fortune tellers.
We went to the arcade area. I bought a bucket of balls for Xiao to throw at the display of stuffed animals. Her balls all went sideway. She missed them by a mile. Salin could not hit any animals with his balls. I knocked down 3 stuffed animals with the last 4 balls. One was hit so hard it flew out of the stall. I was clearly Xiao’s hero. There was a loud and long quarrel between my friends and the arcade girls about why all 3 were clear wins.
Anyway I had to pay about $3 extra for the 3 ‘won’ prizes. I gave them to Xiao. The poor girl was ecstatic. She was clutching them real hard against her chest as if someone was gonna forcefully take them away from her. I guessed nobody ever bought her toys, and that she probably has her own baby she would give the prizes to. We really bonded, me, Xiao and Salin, after our victory over the shifty arcade girls.
We walked around the park all afternoon. It was hot. We were sweating. I bought Xiao and Salin some drinks. Xiao took the bottle but would not drink it. She was saving it for someone. I ended up having to help her carrying her prizes and her drink around while Salin was taking pictures of us.
We went back to Chongping for lunch. Salin insisted that he wait in the car while Xiao and I had lunch. I had Xiao go out and ask Salin to lunch with us. Xiao ordered a big lunch with all kinds of sea food, shell fish, meat and beers. The bill came to about $12, really cheap. I left a 20Y tip at the table but Xiao quickly grabbed it. One is not expected to give tips in China.
After lunch Salin took us to Chong Ping’s main shopping mall. There were many hot and elegant girls and students shopping there. Xiao was shopping for a designer handbag. I was gonna buy one for her but Salin discouraged Xiao.
Salin took us back to the hotel. He called the Miraton on his mobile. He had driven us around for about 6 hours. The Miraton suggested I pay Salin so much and $40 for Xiao for her time, again they mentioned no sex. Well, I was in the back seat with Xiao and she was all over me. She was squeezing me hard, rubbing my crotch, kissing my face, pulling my hair etc…I could hardly talk to the girl at the Miraton.
We got back to the hotel, Xiao took all her stuffed animals with her, hanging on me real tight, as we went to my room. Who am I to turn her down? She has a beautiful body as I removed her clothes. Needless to say, she was very nice and sweet with me. Afterward, I took her down to the car so Salin can take her home and bring on the all-night escort. She kept apologizing that she could not stay longer.
I had a personal experience with a real person in China and it was touching. You guys can probably keep the all-night girls for day time activities, giving them tips for overtime.
One Wing Low,
Thank you so much for your lengthy report. It is always great to venture other activities besides mongering in CP. Looks like Xiao is true GFE!! I wonder whether she does caddying as I would't mind to have her company at HillView Golf Course in Dongguan.
DU96
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]I am not sure why quite a few mongers responded to my post about Xiao, my day-time escort.
II had a personal experience with a real person in China and it was touching. You guys can probably keep the all-night girls for day time activities, giving them tips for overtime.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]I am not sure why quite a few mongers responded to my post about Xiao, my day-time escort.
I had a personal experience with a real person in China and it was touching. You guys can probably keep the all-night girls for day time activities, giving them tips for overtime.[/QUOTE]I think some things are better left unsaid. Xiao sounds like a really sweet girl and someone who actually liked you for who you are and maybe not for your money. Putting her semi-nude photo on a site for mongerer's, shows what kind of respect for the girl? She is not a WG, she has a job and I think you jepordized it as well as disrespected her to a degree.
We all have personal live's, and that's what they are, personal. Sorry if this like a rant, but I think this part of your "touching" story should have been kept for yourself.
-SZE
Hey guys, will be there next week (starting Saturday). Again, anybody wanting to join, feel free.
Question, where are the catacombs? In chinese how would I describe or get to it. My reference point is Miraton and the main drag between Miraton and Lion. I also know my way over to Versaille (Amazon) and Sunday, but those are the main areas I hang in. Any advice as to other places in the area (Catacombs) and perhaps Houjie or Hang-Ahn would be really helpful.
Thanks!
Jettsetter
[QUOTE=Azn Playa]Yes that is a great account of a special day for you, very believable with not a hint of exaggeration or 'big-noting'.
Quite refreshing to read this on ISG and I'm sure it is an experience you will long remember.[/QUOTE]
You are right, the long report from OWL is indeed a "quite refreshing" report.
[QUOTE=Azn Playa]
Some people might criticise you for what you did, but I think you can account that to jealousy.[/QUOTE]
Jealousy? Monger activity can also be done in a respectful manner, respecting the social culture/situation. Posting a pic with her in underwear is - from my POV - not a respectful manner, especially in this case and more especially here in China. Respecting a person, respecting a social situation can be done by trying to see/think from the POV of the involved person, using the brain. Doing this and showing it to the person always brings best results from non WG.
I am not jealousy, but facing some times the result of non respecting activities of other laowais, as I am a laowai too and this sucks. Why not keeping the "evidence" of such a good moment of life ourself in such a case like this one? m2c
LW
I believe one should give respect to anyone who are honest and who live up to their words, regardless whether their professions are prostitution, politics, professionals, managerials etc...
I did show plenty of respect for Xiao for not showing her face, only showing her beautiful body in the most tasteful manner. Xiao would be very proud and happy with the pics, rather than being ashamed, offended or threatened by them. Her identity and privacy are completely protected.
We should be very discreet about showing identities of girls, p4p or freebies, to protect all options they may have in their future.
I am glad you guys like my 'extracurricular' activities.
I always try to arrange dates with local girls wherever I go. It's a great way to learn about the people, their life, hopes, prospects, happiness or sorrow. My life is thereby enriched with more real life understandings of people from different cultures, not just how much they charge for ST or LT etc....hehehe.
If they offer me sex at the end, that is usually the best GFE that's hard to buy, even with lots of money. Sex is much sweeter and much more satisfying with the tenderness of love, much better than just hard-banging sex with someone I dont know or dont care about.
I am sure Xiao would be good company on the golf course or anywhere else. My preference would be Jia Jia since she manages the KTV girls at the Hui Hua, and is far more worldly and fun. Too bad she sleeps in most of the day like a bat! I have to try her some weekends. Would be fun taking her out to clubs, drinking, dancing etc...
You can also contact the driver, Salin, to line up and to interview prospects.
[QUOTE=Downunder96]One Wing Low,
Thank you so much for your lengthy report. It is always great to venture other activities besides mongering in CP. Looks like Xiao is true GFE!! I wonder whether she does caddying as I would't mind to have her company at HillView Golf Course in Dongguan.
DU96[/QUOTE]
OWL,
How much did you pay Xiao in all?
OAH
$40 suggested by the Miraton.
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]OWL,
How much did you pay Xiao in all?
OAH[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]$40 suggested by the Miraton.[/QUOTE]
RMB or USD? If it's 40RMB it's a good deal, hard to believe. Nice pick-up.
What about the driver? The only thing I read was, "The Miraton suggested I pay Salin so much and $40 for Xiao for her time".
And any tip for either of them....on top of the $40 what was suggested by Miraton.
I only remember my expenses translated to US $.
The cost for the driver was agreed to roughly US$20 for 4 hours. Since we went for 6 hours, I paid him US$30.
I gave Xiao a tip but not the driver, since he would be supplying the all-night escort and I knew he would take a deep cut from the girl.
The driver is much cheaper than renting a taxi for long term.
[QUOTE=Weelock]RMB or USD? If it's 40RMB it's a good deal, hard to believe. Nice pick-up.
What about the driver? The only thing I read was, "The Miraton suggested I pay Salin so much and $40 for Xiao for her time".
And any tip for either of them....on top of the $40 what was suggested by Miraton.[/QUOTE]
Hi, all --
Winding up a stay in Changping and I just want to say that everyone who likes women should come here. I've lived for years in Southeast Asia, and ChangPing beats the hell out of most of it. Here's why:
1. The girls aren't jaded: no tattoos (well, not many) no smoking, no ya baa. Sure, there's the occasional toughie, but only one out of the eight I spent time with. Four of them were absolutely delightful, and I wound up falling in love, at least temporarily, with one of them and kept her for two days. I'd have kept her longer, but I have to leave tomorrow.
2. Prices are good –not as cheap as Phnom Penh, but good. Twenty bucks or so for an extremely elastic hour or two with a beautiful 19 year-old Chinese girl beats the hell out of 50 or 60 for a beat-up Thai go-go dancer. I only had one girl who was really on the clock, although most of the others weren't slow to shower and get dressed after they knew I was happy. The one I kept was something else entirely – she never wanted to leave, or at least never acted like she wanted to leave. And she had no problem with repeated, um, exercise during the day. We went to bed happy, woke up happy, and got happy whenever I felt like it.
3. Most of the mamas and runners are still nice people. In fact, Santa and I had coffee with two and a meal with one. They get to know you fast and make you feel welcome. They're not always accurate about the level of service a girl provides, but the two times one told me I was taking the best girl in the shop, it would be hard to imagine it wasn't true.
4. Hotels and food are first-rate, unlike in Phnom Penh. There's great food everywhere, and it's cheap. The Miraton would be a $400-$500 per night hotel in New York, and thanks to a member of this forum I got a great rate. I'm not naming him because he doesn't want to be deluged with requests.
5. The guys from this forum are frequently here, and they're just amazingly generous with their time and knowledge. I'm particularly grateful to OAH for helping to get me here in the first place, and to Santa, with whom I spent the most time, and who's a great guy, and to Ace Gallant for stepping in with advice and translation. But everybody was terrific.
So my advice is, come if you can. Read the forum, ask advice AFTER you've read it, and create some online relationships with these guys. Then, before you go, ask who will be around. Believe me, it's better to learn the ropes here with one of these guys than it is to stumble around in a fog for three or four days trying to figure out where everything is and what to do when you get there.
Thanks, everybody.
RS
PS -- The girl I kept was a heart-breaker in the best possible way
[QUOTE=Rabbit Q]Hi all,
New here.
I should have got to know this site eariler.
I've been to CP three times within 2 mths.
Is an enjoyment, but I realise I got conned by a WG.
I will learn to post my reports soon.[/QUOTE]Rabbit,
I wanted to send you a PM but I realized that you are not a subscriber. Perhaps you like to post a report, when you are free, to tell us where, who and how you got conned. If it is one of the WG from the BBS, I am sure something can be done about that.
AG
Hello Guys,
I will be staying in Dongguan for a few nights end of this month.
From the hotels listed below please rate the hotel for KTV talent availabilty / selection from best to worst:
Goodview Tangxia
Royal Garden Hotel
Crown Prince Hotel
Miraton Hotel
Cheers
I tried to send you the below PM but received a message with the following:
Azn Playa has chosen not to receive private messages or may not be allowed to receive private messages. Therefore you may not send your message to him/her.
My PM to you:
Did you get GM's permission to send out his PM to others?
Cause if you didn't, that would prevent me and many others in responding to you in a honest manner.
Bill
[QUOTE=Jettsetter][...]
Question, where are the catacombs? [...][/QUOTE]
Please search this thread for "Google Earth" and you will find something (v2 is the latest version file)and DON'T go there alone!!!
LW
I declare the assistant mama of mama “Baby”, mine. I broke her in one of my recent trip. Unfortunately she also declared me as her BF and I will not be able to take girls from Yalan area when she is around. The strange thing is that she said to me, you can take girls from her or mama “Baby” but I am not allowed any girls from other mama!
This all started as a joke because since last year, whenever I do not see a girl of my liking from her BBS, I would joke that I want her. Knowing that she had refused to sell her piece of hymen, not even for an offer of 10,000, I would always make fun for her and make use of that as an excuse to get away. Somehow, this had drilled into her head in which she agree to let me had her recently. In my latest trip, she spent a couple of nights with me and one full day on Sat (took day off). The only problem is that since the hotel staff in Miraton recognized her, as she had sent girls to the hotel before, the staff are always smiling at me when they saw me walking in and out of the hotel with her.
At the end of this trip, when I tried asking her how much money I should give her she told me “No money as I felt that I am selling myself! You should never treat me like one of the girls!” She was very sweet and even came to bail me out from Hui Hua KTV when I was drunk on Friday night drinking with Moody and friends. That night only remembered that that she appeared in the KTV, I knew I was leaving the KTV; I woke up next morning with her next to me. Can’t remember a dam thing in between!
This story is a bit in contra with a great story from Bull Shot from the Shenzhen board. (It is a great story by the way!) In this case, she was not forced into selling herself nor did she do it unwillingly. Somehow the fact that she refuse money after all these happened, make me guilty. May be it is another one of the tactics that Chinese Girls use? But regardless, she got me there!
So the moral of this story is, it is possible to pick up girls (freebies) even in a *****-house. Sometimes you get lucky sometimes you don’t. The key to this is communication.
Enjoy,
AG
To Bill,
I have to agree with you. I got the same PMs (two in fact) and as I tried to reply I only found out the hard way that I was unable to.
To Azn Playa.
We are here are this board to share information and enjoy mongering. I am not here to prove anything. But I have read all your post and have yet to find you post anything of relevance that would ease my mongering journey. My advice to you is to move on and continue to do what we all come here to do, which is to monger.
You have made it very clear to a large group of members here via your PM of you particular dislike of a certain member. I strongly suggest that you just let it go and move on and continue to monger, which is why I came on this board to begin with. Not to read about your pissing matches and seeing your non relevant post get deleted.
Can't we just all get along and continue mongering?
HAD
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]I tried to send you the below PM but received a message with the following:
Azn Playa has chosen not to receive private messages or may not be allowed to receive private messages. Therefore you may not send your message to him/her.
My PM to you:
Did you get GM's permission to send out his PM to others?
Cause if you didn't, that would prevent me and many others in responding to you in a honest manner.
Bill[/QUOTE]
AG,
the soft/sensitive way your wrote and this...
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant][...] She was very sweet and even came to bail me out from Hui Hua KTV when I was drunk on Friday night drinking with Moody and friends. That night only remembered that that she appeared in the KTV, I knew I was leaving the KTV; I woke up next morning with her next to me. Can’t remember a dam thing in between![...][/QUOTE]
force me ask you:
When? Where? Wedding-eve party for us boys at Yalan Hotel (close to dishes for this event) or better at HuiMei? We will arrange the longest, never ending line-up for this evening...:D
You know what this all means for you, shall I look for an apartment here in ZMT for you? Selection is definitely bigger than in Baby's shop only, you already know it and will taste ZMT "fruits" soon...:D
Interesting how many members have such experiences these days...
LW
PS:
Bill, are you able to manage your "relation" until this event, double wedding-eve party is always more fun...
[QUOTE=UnderPSI]Hello Guys,
I will be staying in Dongguan for a few nights end of this month.
From the hotels listed below please rate the hotel for KTV talent availabilty / selection from best to worst:
Goodview Tangxia
Royal Garden Hotel
Crown Prince Hotel
Miraton Hotel
Cheers[/QUOTE]
UnderPSI,
all depends on your favors, expectations and so on. You like a place, another guy hate it.
Anyway, when you read this DG thread carefully you will get to know that Goodview Tangxia and Crown Prince have good reputations.
Goodview Tangxia is by far a top place and also more expensive, you should be satisfied.
Miraton KTV seems to be an "ordinary" place, but this doesn't mean that you will not find "your" pearl there.
Again, what are your expectations? What is a good talent from your POV? The best way to find a place which fits you will be to go to one and see what is going on there.
Btw, JiaYi should also be a visit worth...
hth
LW
Can some one Google Earth the Crown Prince Hotel. Thanks.
Thanks for your insight. My idea of talent is with the most model quality selections..etc. Also how about the new Royal Garden Hotel?? The Dream House on their website looks interesting.
[QUOTE=Laowai123]UnderPSI,
all depends on your favors, expectations and so on. You like a place, another guy hate it.
Anyway, when you read this DG thread carefully you will get to know that Goodview Tangxia and Crown Prince have good reputations.
Goodview Tangxia is by far a top place and also more expensive, you should be satisfied.
Miraton KTV seems to be an "ordinary" place, but this doesn't mean that you will not find "your" pearl there.
Again, what are your expectations? What is a good talent from your POV? The best way to find a place which fits you will be to go to one and see what is going on there.
Btw, JiaYi should also be a visit worth.
hth
LW[/QUOTE]
Who's fucking my wife today?
Bill
[QUOTE=Laowai123]AG,
the soft/sensitive way your wrote and this...
force me ask you:
When? Where? Wedding-eve party for us boys at Yalan Hotel (close to dishes for this event) or better at HuiMei? We will arrange the longest, never ending line-up for this evening...:D
You know what this all means for you, shall I look for an apartment here in ZMT for you? Selection is definitely bigger than in Baby's shop only, you already know it and will taste ZMT "fruits" soon...:D
Interesting how many members have such experiences these days...
LW
PS:
Bill, are you able to manage your "relation" until this event, double wedding-eve party is always more fun...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ManonsanBoy]Can some one Google Earth the Crown Prince Hotel. Thanks.[/QUOTE]
Please check attached Google Earth File.
HuangJiang-Locations-ISG-Google v1
LW
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]Who's fucking my wife today?
Bill[/QUOTE]
Nor reason to have fear, as long she doesn't wear red booooooooooots...:D
LW
I attached a new version of CP locations for Google Earth.
Updates:
- optical/cosmetic work
- added polygons to show areas like catacombs
- added Fu Long Hotel, but I can't remember which of this building it is -> please send feedback for correction
CP-Locations-ISG-Google v3
Feel free to send feedback about typos, for corrections and new locations!
LW
[Edit]
- moved pin for Fu Long Hotel southward; thanks "Reader123" for your support!
- updated file now attached
[/Edit]
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]Who's fucking my wife today?
Bill[/QUOTE]
bill
sorry about sending her home sticky...the utilities guys were working on the pipes outside the hotel and all the water was shut off. sorry. next time i will take her to the sauna and have her cleaned up before going home. btw if you are out of town can i pinch hit for you. she is quite nice and i lovessss the nice boobies...
Is that why her ass is stuck to the car seat?
Damn.
Bill
[QUOTE=Bnlee2]bill
sorry about sending her home sticky...the utilities guys were working on the pipes outside the hotel and all the water was shut off. sorry. next time i will take her to the sauna and have her cleaned up before going home. btw if you are out of town can i pinch hit for you. she is quite nice and i lovessss the nice boobies...[/QUOTE]
Hmmm.
Thanks for reminding me.
(I should not wear boots when returning to CP and especially not to show them off to OAH).
Bill
[QUOTE=Laowai123]Nor reason to have fear, as long she doesn't wear red booooooooooots...:D
LW[/QUOTE]
Fu Long is several bldgs south. I think it is the by the red/blue building. Those bldgs in between consist of a laundromat and several other small shops.
The redish/orange apartment complex (south of Fu Long) with a big pool (very clean as far as the eye can see, but didn't smell any chlorine) in the middle is very nice with many facilities for those that are in CP long term.
[QUOTE=Laowai123]I attached a new version of CP locations for Google Earth.
Updates:
- optical/cosmetic work
- added polygons to show areas like catacombs
- added Fu Long Hotel, but I can't remember which of this building it is -> please send feedback for correction
CP-Locations-ISG-Google v3
Feel free to send feedback about typos, for corrections and new locations!
LW[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]Hmmm.
Thanks for reminding me.
(I should not wear boots when returning to CP and especially not to show them off to OAH).
Bill[/QUOTE]Hey Hey Hey!
This is the Dongguan threads and not your personal PM system, please delete your personal communications posts and use the PM system for these non-Informational post!
Back to my nasty self!
AG
This Post will self-destruct in 2 days.
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]Who's fucking my wife today?
Bill[/QUOTE]
I think I gave her a "Dirty Sanchez" a few weeks ago!
I will be in CP 18th of March for 2 nights if anyone is headed out there.
[QUOTE=Reader123]Fu Long is several bldgs south. I think it is the by the red/blue building.
[/QUOTE]
Thanks for your support!
I moved the pin down but did not removed the question marks, I will check it out next time I am in CP again. But, from what I remember it should be the correct location now, there is on the right side of hotel building a way in to parking lot area or whatever...
LW
Szexpat - I will be around on the 19th and staying until the 25th. Anybody want to meet up, let me know and we can figure out a way to contact each other. I'm staying at HH. They have the rooms with the 32" TV's with DVD Players and a PC in their Executive Rooms.
Looking forward to some R&R Finally!
Jettsetter
[QUOTE=Szexpat]I think I gave her a "Dirty Sanchez" a few weeks ago!
I will be in CP 18th of March for 2 nights if anyone is headed out there.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Rayjr]I will be there. 18 March 2007 - Shenzhen. 19 March 2007 - Guanzhou
This was meant to interject some humor back on to the board after weeks of nastiness between you know who.
Bill
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Hey Hey Hey!
This is the Dongguan threads and not your personal PM system, please delete your personal communications posts and use the PM system for these non-Informational post!
Back to my nasty self!
AG
This Post will self-destruct in 2 days.[/QUOTE]
Which hotel is the HH?
How far is it from the Miraton?
How much does it cost for the executive room?
Any recommendation for ShenZhen, Houjie, Dongguan?
[QUOTE=Jettsetter]Szexpat - I will be around on the 19th and staying until the 25th. Anybody want to meet up, let me know and we can figure out a way to contact each other. I'm staying at HH. They have the rooms with the 32" TV's with DVD Players and a PC in their Executive Rooms.
Looking forward to some R&R Finally!
Jettsetter[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Laowai123]I attached a new version of CP locations for Google Earth.
- moved pin for Fu Long Hotel southward; thanks "Reader123" for your support!
- updated file now attached
[/Edit][/QUOTE]
Thanks. That is very helpful.
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]Which hotel is the HH?[/QUOTE]Hui Hua...?
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]
How far is it from the Miraton?[/QUOTE][url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=572849[/url]
...around 50m...
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]
How much does it cost for the executive room?[/QUOTE]CNY 441 at check-in (CNY 980 published rate), company rate ???
hth
LW
[QUOTE=Laowai123]Hui Hua...?
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=572849[/url]
...around 50m...
CNY 441 at check-in (CNY 980 published rate), company rate ???
hth
LW[/QUOTE]For all identified friends on ISG: Let me know if you need to book a room in Hui Hua. I do get a corporate rates from them.
AG
Yes boys, sorry, should have said Hui Hwa. The rate is about right, I get corporate rates there and can put you in contact with someone there to get you the rooms.
The hotel is located right next to Miraton.
I don't have many suggestions elsewhere, ever since starting to come out regularly about 3 years ago, I have either stayed at Hui Mei (sister hotel located across from Virgin) or Hui Hwa.
I like Hui Hwa's rooms and their KTV is very convenient to do the quickie before continuing on the partying. They have a great breakfast (dim sum), and the service is pretty good.
I don't know what Miraton rooms are like so I'm a little curious at rates and quality of the rooms. I'm sure both are comprable to each other.
Again, let me know if anybody is up for some KTVing together or getting footies locally (foot wash/massage). We've been there enough that we know the masseuses pretty well and they even come and go clubbing with us at Sunday (local club) sometimes.
Can't wait to go back next weekend. Either way, since I can't post my email address, I'll give you guys my China cell if anybody is interested in meeting up.
I've you/L'd a little gal I met in '05 at a BBS. Fun, easy going, had her for a few days. Even entertained the prospect of a double the last night I was there, with a cute Vietnamese gal.
Jettsetter
Has anyone heard of winnerway hotel? how is it like? far from action?
will be there from 10th-14th april. if anyone wants to hookup, let me know (through this board only - no pm).
has adequate but very basic rooms. The hallways are pretty dingy with old, worn-out commercial carpet. The place is probably the same level as Holidays Inn in US.
With the large-screen Plasma TV, the Hui Hwa has to be more upscale. I will bring along a few porn DVD's to show. Should turn the local girls red hot! My all nighters in SZ was watching chinese movies all night on the large plasma TV. She loved it.
Fuck the Chinese and US Customs if they wanna see my DVD's. They are all legal so dont let them bully you. They always wanna check the whole movies carefully in case John Holmes may be doing their wives at the porn studios while they sniff luggage at the airports...hehehe.
[QUOTE=Jettsetter]
I don't know what Miraton rooms are like so I'm a little curious at rates and quality of the rooms. I'm sure both are comprable to each other.
Again, let me know if anybody is up for some KTVing together or getting footies locally (foot wash/massage). We've been there enough that we know the masseuses pretty well and they even come and go clubbing with us at Sunday (local club) sometimes.
Jettsetter[/QUOTE]
all with steep corporate discounts....
Well, Jia jia may be paying ME this time, in which case I will charge her rack rate...hehehe
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]For all identified friends on ISG: Let me know if you need to book a room in Hui Hua. I do get a corporate rates from them.
AG[/QUOTE]
[quote=one wing low]
-cut-
fuck the chinese and us customs if they wanna see my dvd's. they are all legal so dont let them bully you. they always wanna check the whole movies carefully in case john holmes may be doing their wives at the porn studios while they sniff luggage at the airports...hehehe.[/quote]i believe porn stuff, like porn dvd are illegal in china. you can be fined for each one and the dvds confirep001ed even if they are legit. there is also no x rated magazines like playboy or hustler in china.
Never been to DG or CP before, booked the Miraton for April 25-26, good rate. Really looking forward to check out the facilities. Thanks to the detailed reports from all of you and your CP location on Google Earth, LW123. It will make it easy to locate the spots. Anybody around at that time, lets join the forces.
[QUOTE=Laowai123]I attached a new version of CP locations for Google Earth.
Updates:
- optical/cosmetic work
- added polygons to show areas like catacombs
- added Fu Long Hotel, but I can't remember which of this building it is -> please send feedback for correction
CP-Locations-ISG-Google v3
Feel free to send feedback about typos, for corrections and new locations!
LW
[Edit]
- moved pin for Fu Long Hotel southward; thanks "Reader123" for your support!
- updated file now attached
[/Edit][/QUOTE]
[quote=one wing low]has adequate but very basic rooms. the hallways are pretty dingy with old, worn-out commercial carpet. the place is probably the same level as holidays inn in us.
with the large-screen plasma tv, the hui hwa has to be more upscale. i will bring along a few porn dvd's to show. should turn the local girls red hot! my all nighters in sz was watching chinese movies all night on the large plasma tv. she loved it.
fuck the chinese and us customs if they wanna see my dvd's. they are all legal so dont let them bully you. they always wanna check the whole movies carefully in case john holmes may be doing their wives at the porn studios while they sniff luggage at the airports...hehehe.[/quote]
everyone i know thinks the miraton is pretty damn nice besides, we are talking chang ping here, not nyc or la.
legit porn or not, it would be very unwise to bring that into china. here is an interesting news story about times to come, so even if your dvd's are real the dogs can sniff them out and how would you like to expose your suitcase full of porn movies?
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070313/tc_nm/malaysia_piracy_dc_3[/url]
and another one for you:
[url]http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/03/04/asia/web.0304barboza.php[/url]
it's still illegal, better to buy them in china, from underground sources, rather then get screwed at customs.
[quote=weelock]i believe porn stuff, like porn dvd are illegal in china. you can be fined for each one and the dvds confirep001ed even if they are legit. there is also no x rated magazines like playboy or hustler in china.[/quote]
they have playboy and "blue" movies in hong kong, which is part of china.
Yes, porn like Blue Movies and magazines are legal in HK. Prostitution is also legal in HK but must follow certain rules. It was mainly due HK once being a British Colony. In China it is totally different. There is this censorship in China unlike HK. I can go on and on about differences between China and HK. It's like two different countries.
For China's Customs, the DVDs can be taken away and you can be fined for any type of porn legal or illegal but In my opionion, the chances of being caught is somewhat slim. It depends on which border, airport, train or bus line. Also when, like during holidays they do more inspections. It also seems like Southern China is more stricter than Northern China.
Do NOT, I repeat, do NOT try to bring in porn, especially hardcore stuff. You can end up in rehabilatation camp somewhere in Mongolia.
I have been to CP about 8 times and all of my experiences have been fairly good but it was bound to happen. This last trip I met a few other members met for the first time except for Santa. Santa and I have had a few meetings along with other members they commonly call me the wingman or Mr. J.
This time I was just behind the Yu Lin hotel and taking one of the girls from Jo Jo sister, who was very pretty, tall and had a great shape, a Chengdu girl. As soon as we all left the meeting room you may say. It was very obvious that she was very stand offish would not hold my hand or wanted to walk next to me. As all of the others girls were doing with the other guys. We were four couples and all the other gals were hands on their dates.
One of the members wanted to eat and so all of us went to one of the restaurants for a bit before returning to the hotels. This only took about an hour and we all ate and talked getting to know each other, nice! Once I got to my room all of a sudden my girl took her time to do everything. I have to ask her to take a shower 3 times, then she started to tell me her stomach hurt, and her pussy hurt. Knowing only a few Chinese words such as tong (word for pain), I got the jest that she didn’t want to do anything. Finally she gave me a nice BJ and let me fuck her. At first she seemed not interested and was going to be a dead lay. But to my surprise she really started to get into it and fucked me back. Well what can I say? But it doesn’t end here I wish it did.
After all was done and took her shower I assumed she was going to get dressed and ask to go but she didn’t. She climbed right back into bed and I asked her did she want to stay, she reply, yes. A little surprised so I asked her for how much money did she wan to stay; it was a good thing too. Her reply was; 800 rmb no way! She ***** and dropped it down to 400 about the standard rate. By this time I did not even want her because of the money (trying to work me for more) and she was only willing to give it up one more time, BS. Only once more for the whole night, I said, you have to go. She got dressed but when I gave her the money of 100 plus a tip for the ride back she refused to leave and she blocked the door so I couldn’t open it or leave. A good thing that Santa was outside the door and he called for the hotel fu yuan (the hotels house keeping) to open the door. We called Jo Jo and the only reason is because this girl came from her meeting room and JoJo can speak English too.
This girl refused to leave and after talking to Jo Jo she finally asked that I pay an extra 100 to the girl, and she apologized but there was no other way of making her leave nicely.
Santa and I came to the conclusion it is not wise to take these girls out for dinner unless you have in mind to keep her for the night. 3 hours is not that much longer than what we normally take them for, on average it is about 2 hours.
[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size]
hereby absolutely and categoricaly denies that Chinese men have dicks and Chinese women have pussies, and that they never fuck like rabbits every night....
[QUOTE=ManonsanBoy]Do NOT, I repeat, do NOT try to bring in porn, especially hardcore stuff. You can end up in rehabilatation camp somewhere in Mongolia.[/QUOTE]
800 rmb for the whole night seems fair enough. I've paid that much for all nighters. And I speak fluent chinese. So I wouldn't trip too much about it. These girls are no different from the hookers in the US, they are doing this for money, and money only. Can't blame them for that.
[QUOTE=Gentilman Jim] I asked her for how much money did she wan to stay; it was a good thing too. Her reply was; 800 rmb no way! She ***** and dropped it down to 400 about the standard rate.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Boxster986]800 rmb for the whole night seems fair enough. I've paid that much for all nighters. And I speak fluent chinese. So I wouldn't trip too much about it. These girls are no different from the hookers in the US, they are doing this for money, and money only. Can't blame them for that.[/QUOTE]Why pay 800 when the standard price is 400 for LT (after midnight) or 500 for LT (before midnight)?
I never over pay as they will not thanks you for it. Instead they will be laughing at you on what a sucker you are later.
Of course there is another part of the deal in which members of the ISG will start flaming you for "Spoiling the Market"!
Enjoy,
AG
[QUOTE=Boxster986]800 rmb for the whole night seems fair enough. I've paid that much for all nighters. And I speak fluent chinese. So I wouldn't trip too much about it. These girls are no different from the hookers in the US, they are doing this for money, and money only. Can't blame them for that.[/QUOTE]
LT is normally 500 rmb in CP, unless she is a KTV girl who gets 800 rmb. All shop girls, including JoJo's get paid the same.
Agreed here with Szexpat, CP prices are lower than other places in the major cities. I had a KTV girl LT 600RMB and 500RMB not from going to a KTV room but from their line-up room. Never spent a yuan in the KTV in more than 3 years. The standard 800LT price probably applies if you're partying in a KTV room and you take your girl home.
They can also be had for the same 200 RMB ST price if you pick them from their line-up room. Generally, I have done this during the afternoon and not late in the evening when picking is less.
Typical price for Yalan/BBS girls are 200 RMB ST and 500 RMB LT. GJ was right in not paying the 800 RMB price.
Bill
[QUOTE=Szexpat]LT is normally 500 rmb in CP, unless she is a KTV girl who gets 800 rmb. All shop girls, including JoJo's get paid the same.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Gentilman Jim]
A good thing that Santa was outside the door and he called for the hotel fu yuan (the hotels house keeping) to open the door.
Santa and I came to the conclusion it is not wise to take these girls out for dinner unless you have in mind to keep her for the night. 3 hours is not much longer than what we normally take them for, on average it is about 2 hours.
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Hi Changping Gang. I arrived at Jim's room and their was a screaming chinese banshee howling for revenge, and poor Jim shouting "help. help me!" So I had to run to one of the hotel employees and ask her to open his door, and there she was, a beautiful Sichuan tigress confronting poor Jim. She had him cornered and was threatening to castrate him! We got them seperated, and only just in time.
Jim is absolutely right about the price, all of the girls from that shop are 500 LT. Jim is a very regular guy to Changping and knows what he is talking about when it comes to prices, but she was a real stunner and probably worth every penny. Jim is also a cool guy and was trying to be reasonable, but she is a real Sichuan mountain cat and ready to tear him to pieces.
I think Jim was very lucky to get out of that room without a scratch and testicals still attached. Jim is strong former paratrooper, but she was ready to tear the eyes out of him!
Lesson. Don't keep them for more than two hours unless you intend to pay them for LT.
[QUOTE=Gentilman Jim]
A good thing that Santa was outside the door and he called for the hotel fu yuan (the hotels house keeping) to open the door.
Santa and I came to the conclusion it is not wise to take these girls out for dinner unless you have in mind to keep her for the night. 3 hours is not much longer than what we normally take them for, on average it is about 2 hours.
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I arrived at Jim's room and heard a screaming chinese banshee wanting revenge, and Jim shouting "help, help me!" So I had to run to the hotel employees and ask them to open his door. Inside the room was a beautiful, tall and slender Sichuan tigress confronting poor Jim. She had him cornered and was threatening to castrate him! We got them seperated, and only just in time.
Jim is absolutely right about the price, all of the girls from that shop are 500 LT. Jim has been reading this forum for years and is a very regular visitor to Changping, so he knows what he is talking about when it comes to prices, but she was a real stunner and probably worth every penny. Jim is also a cool guy and was trying to be reasonable, but she is a real Sichuan mountain cat and was ready to tear him to pieces.
I think Jim was very lucky to get out of that room without a scratch and with testicals still attached. He is a former paratrooper, but she was ready to tear the eyes out of him!
Lesson. Don't keep a girl for more than two hours unless you intend to pay for LT, and ALWAYS confirm the prices, etc. Be careful, some of these pussycats are very dangerous!
[QUOTE=Santa]Hi Changping Gang. I arrived at Jim's room and their was a screaming chinese banshee howling for revenge, and poor Jim shouting "help. help me!" So I had to run to one of the hotel employees and ask her to open his door, and there she was, a beautiful Sichuan tigress confronting poor Jim. She had him cornered and was threatening to castrate him! We got them seperated, and only just in time.
Jim is absolutely right about the price, all of the girls from that shop are 500 LT. Jim is a very regular guy to Changping and knows what he is talking about when it comes to prices, but she was a real stunner and probably worth every penny. Jim is also a cool guy and was trying to be reasonable, but she is a real Sichuan mountain cat and ready to tear him to pieces.
I think Jim was very lucky to get out of that room without a scratch and testicals still attached. Jim is strong former paratrooper, but she was ready to tear the eyes out of him!
Lesson. Don't keep them for more than two hours unless you intend to pay them for LT.[/QUOTE]
The one time I don't go to CP with my wingman and he gets himself into some of the funniest situations I have ever heard.....I would have been laughing too hard to help him. maybe he will write about his "worm" girl sometime.
Santa, glad to see you made it back to the US of A, I hope you will be back soon as I will certainly miss your company drinking beer till 3 am at "Johnny's Place". Long live the King of Chang Ping!
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]Agreed here with Szexpat, CP prices are lower than other places in the major cities. I had a KTV girl LT 600RMB and 500RMB not from going to a KTV room but from their line-up room. Never spent a yuan in the KTV in more than 3 years. The standard 800LT price probably applies if you're partying in a KTV room and you take your girl home.
They can also be had for the same 200 RMB ST price if you pick them from their line-up room. Generally, I have done this during the afternoon and not late in the evening when picking is less.
Typical price for Yalan/BBS girls are 200 RMB ST and 500 RMB LT. GJ was right in not paying the 800 RMB price.
Bill[/QUOTE]Just curious, do you guys normally tip them? They always tell me that people from Hong Kong usually tip them 50RMB for St and 100RMB for LT, and most Americans would even give more. Thanks.
They sometime ask for tip. If the service was not great, I don't tip. But I may give them 15RMB for the van service back to their shop. Although I know they will use the 5RMB motorbike. You can't tip just because they ask for it. You got to let them know that tipping is based on quality service and not for the asking.
If they don't give BBBJ, no tip. If I ask them to do more of something and they refuse. No tip. But if they give you really good GFE. Tipping, no problem. I think most guys would do the same.
I have tipped nothing to overtipping in couple of hundreds of RMB for extra good service. Such as paying extra for photo or video sessions.
I think that Americans give more because they are spoiled by the low cost of paid sex compared to the price in the states. And usually they're here for a short trip and don't think much of spending 100RMB or more, which is about $13.00 in U.S. dollars. Getting laid in America is about $120 to $200. $26.00 is a bargain. I seen the famous legal brothels' menu in Nevada and their equivalent of a full sauna service in China is about $1,000 or more in Nevada. You can have the same in China for as cheap as 200RMB in ZH.
Bill
[QUOTE=Jwtong]Just curious, do you guys normally tip them? They always tell me that people from Hong Kong usually tip them 50RMB for St and 100RMB for LT, and most Americans would even give more. Thanks.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ManonsanBoy]Do NOT, I repeat, do NOT try to bring in porn, especially hardcore stuff. You can end up in rehabilatation camp somewhere in Mongolia.[/QUOTE]God, I had charlies anals, some thai home made and 1 other can't recall the name of it, is it really like this?
Came in via bus from HK and also did a few internal flights and thought nothing of it.
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]They sometime ask for tip. If the service was not great, I don't tip. But I may give them 15RMB for the van service back to their shop. Although I know they will use the 5RMB motorbike. You can't tip just because they ask for it. You got to let them know that tipping is based on quality service and not for the asking.
I have tipped nothing to overtipping in couple of hundreds of RMB for extra good service. Such as paying extra for photo or video sessions.
I think that Americans give more because they are spoiled by the low cost of paid sex compared to the price in the states. And usually they're here for a short trip and don't think much of spending 100RMB or more, which is about $13.00 in U.S. dollars. Getting laid in America is about $120 to $200. $26.00 is a bargain. I seen the famous legal brothels' menu in Nevada and their equivalent of a full sauna service in China is about $1,000 or more in Nevada. You can have the same in China for as cheap as 200RMB in ZH.
Bill[/QUOTE]Bill
The cost of wining and dining your signif. Others before a night of sex can also cost you way. Way. More than the 100rmb. The cost of a night of wining and dining in the US is more than $100 or $200USD. In China when I think of how cheap it is, I wish that I never tied the knot in the US and remain a bachelor. A good friend just went through a divorce after twenty five years of marriage. In the end it cost him over five million US dineros. Could you imagine the amount of fun he could have for that. I'm for one is guilty of overtipping after even mediorce service due to the price and the satisfaction.
Best
[QUOTE=Jwtong]Just curious, do you guys normally tip them? .[/QUOTE]
Just the taxi or motorbike fare back to the shop, 10 or 15rmb. If service was bad, nothing. They are usually happy to get their 100rmb wages and do not expect or ask for more.
To us it may seem cheap, but to them it's a lot of money. Most local chinese guys cannot afford to rent these girls because for them it's too expensive.
[QUOTE=Weelock]Yes, porn like Blue Movies and magazines are legal in HK. Prostitution is also legal in HK but must follow certain rules. It was mainly due HK once being a British Colony. In China it is totally different. There is this censorship in China unlike HK. [/QUOTE]Sorry to disagree with that last sentence, but there certainly is heavy censorship in Hong Kong, and I would add that the legal "porn" in Hong Kong is hardly worthy of the name. Much of it would get an "R" rating in the US. What passes here for porn under the rubric "Category III" (sam kaht) is already censored by the laughably obtuse Obscene Articles Tribunal (OAT). So, if you buy that stuff here (legally) expect a lot of what filmakers call 'continuity errors'... and all the good bits snipped out aready.
On a highly disorganized underground market run by the triads, you can get bootleg uncut porn, usually called "Category IV" (sei kaht, this is a joke since there is no such category officially) from hawkers at places like Temple Street market, Sham Shui Po, or at certain dodgy video stores where you ask politely and discreetly if they have "special" dvds...
[QUOTE=Santa]Just the taxi or motorbike fare back to the shop, 10 or 15rmb. If service was bad, nothing. They are usually happy to get their 100rmb wages and do not expect or ask for more.
To us it may seem cheap, but to them it's a lot of money. Most local chinese guys cannot afford to rent these girls because for them it's too expensive.[/QUOTE]Just like to share with you a little joke/fact; the KTV girl I brought back from Las Vegas KTV in Shenzhen (Party last week with OAH , Moody and Friends) try to pull a fast one on me. She told me after my 1st pop with her that her customers from Hong Kong, Taiwan sometimes give her 5,000 or 10,000 as tips. This is because they think she is pretty and they like her very much. However she said that she doesn't like them but instead she thinks that I am a very nice guy and she likes me. (YAH RIGHT!)
I heard this story before many times. What I am saying here is that sometimes girls will tell you cock and bull stories just to get the most out of you. Do not always believe in what they tell you. Think with your big head and not your little head below!
For this case, I just told her nicely, "Sorry, although I think that you are pretty and those Hong Konger or Taiwanese may like you, but I do not like you as they do, I am just a fucker who likes to fuck you because I drunk too much tonight. So, I will not be giving you 5,000 or 10,000 as tips. Here is your money for ST and thanks very much for letting me have a good time!"
To answer your question on Tips: China is a No Tips country. However, if the service they provided is above average I would usually give them a little tip. The amount may varies from city to city and according the level of satisfaction; 100 RMB in Shanghai for a great service to 5 RMB for a good service in CP. For the girls I usually give 10 to 15 RMB for a ride home if they give me satisfactory service and will not hesitate to give a 50 – 300 RMB tip if the girls give fantastic service. (Yes this is Spoiling the market… but this is also one of my secret in getting freebies the following night). For others like bell boys, Hotel front desk…. It all depends….
AG
Made it here a little early. Staying in hui Hwa and you can contact me at 13424355351 if you guys are interested in getting together a night or two, as me and a buddy are here for the week. We're always interested in meeting fellow mongers and swap stories/conquests.
We will likely be hitting the new place across from Sunday night club tonight, Jia Tin or something like that. Read some good reports and can't wait to try it out. Last night was just okay, got some intel on the smaller rooms at HH and how they operate.
We ended up hanging in the hallways and like two wolf looking at sheep walk by, when we saw ones we liked, we got their attention and asked them to hang out and wait. Key is being there early. From 6: 30 to 8: 00 is the prime picking time, but you have to be quick at it. Much more after that, and the pickings become slim. Often times you can get lucky with a round two girl, meaning that after they've sat with their first group (lots of times guys come and drink and don't take them out. So you have some hotties who are drunk, and want to continue partying). This is a hit or miss thing.
Either way, we didn't feel like drinking and since we were in a room with a 200 RMB minimum (very low), we just drank some sodas, ate some food, and just hung out with the girls. We were probably out of there by about 9: 00 p. M. Since we had just flown in that morning.
Today is off to bigger and better adventures. So anybody interested, give me a buzz on my cell and we can meet up. Our itinerary today will consist of getting footies, buying a few DVD's, and exploring the catacombs.
Since it's Sunday it's easy to get a room tonight so we don't have to pre-book. Anything Thursday and on, you better pre-book with a mommy if you want to get a room.
Anyways, that's it for now. Also if anybody needs help booking at Hui Hwa, let me know, I'm getting the DVD with a PC room (King Bed) on the "Executive Floors" at 392 RMB per night. It's probably pricey compared to other places, but the room is definitely above and on par with any US 5 Star hotel.
See ya,
Jettsetter.
Megapoint,
Thanks for the correction on censorship in HK. My point was what is legal in HK might be illegal in China. We got to to subject because some wants to bring in porn into China. He said there are legit ( not counterfeit ) copies therefore there is NO problem. I believe any kind of either cenored soft porn or hard is still illegal in China. HK has a different level of cenorship. Even the porn with the computerize block off areas are illegal in China. (I purshased a few at the Computer Dragon Mart in HK and some of those movies on Temple St). What I wanted to say is China and HK are two totally different places even if HK is part of China. I was just replying to someone about "Blue Movies".
Will make the tour between SZ, Chang Ping, Dongguan, Zhuhai and Macau.
Any mongers want to hook up please PM or email. Will have a lot of fun.
Now we all know NOT to bring porn to Mainland China.
a) Can anyone clarify about toys for our toys? Starting from Vibrators over butt plugs to ball gags or collars. Will one end up in rehabilatation camp somewhere in Mongolia with these items when getting screened?
b) If you cannot bring them , can you get any toys around CP?
c) Any experience using toys with the girls? Guess vibro should still be fine, but if you slap a collar on them it could give a shock for life
You can certainly get those toys, many of the Sauna girls have them.. Try asking girls if they know where to get them
[QUOTE=Mc Fly XXX]Now we all know NOT to bring porn to Mainland China.
a) Can anyone clarify about toys for our toys? Starting from Vibrators over butt plugs to ball gags or collars. Will one end up in rehabilatation camp somewhere in Mongolia with these items when getting screened?
b) If you cannot bring them , can you get any toys around CP?
c) Any experience using toys with the girls? Guess vibro should still be fine, but if you slap a collar on them it could give a shock for life[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mc Fly XXX][...]
c) Any experience using toys with the girls? Guess vibro should still be fine, [b]but if you slap a collar on them it could give a shock for life[/b][/QUOTE]
In case you need "toys" or such "acts" to turn you up at least you should ask/tell them before/in the shop and you should expect to pay more...beside ready to pay more.
Furthermore I take the liberty to mention: Don't hurt them, neither physically nor mentally. They get physically and mentally hurt enough in their life...without getting paid for it. [b]They are humans like you, respect and treat them as you would like to be treated![/b] Just m2c.
LW
[QUOTE=Basher55]God, I had charlies anals, some thai home made and 1 other can't recall the name of it, is it really like this?
Came in via bus from HK and also did a few internal flights and thought nothing of it.[/QUOTE]First, I want to thank Bill Lee and others for answering my tipping question. I (over)tip the ladies because I feel sorry for them, and not mainly because it's such a small amount to most of us. Yes, I know some of the ladies may even laugh at us for being stupid or naive. But if any of the extra money go to their families in a poor village, that's fine with me. I apologize for spoiling the market many times in the past 2-3 years.
As for porno movies, why take a chance? There is an advertiser in CP's "Good Luck" hotel that provides free rental. If you make hotel reservation thru them, they will provide porno movies for free, if you put down a 300RMB deposit for the DVD player. But that's only for the hotel guests at "Good Luck". This hotel wasn't all that good before the renovation early last year, but has really improved. I stayed there for 14 days this Jan, and was really a bargin for $190 (weekdays) and $220 (saturdays). BTW, I did take a chance and brought back several porno back to the State because I was out of my mind. Don't think I will ever do that again.
[QUOTE=Mc Fly XXX]c) Any experience using toys with the girls? Guess vibro should still be fine, but if you slap a collar on them it could give a shock for life[/QUOTE]Laowai is right! They are human!
Let me say this, this is China not Japan. S/M is not very widely practice here.
AG
[QUOTE=Mc Fly XXX]Now we all know NOT to bring porn to Mainland China.
a) Can anyone clarify about toys for our toys? Starting from Vibrators over butt plugs to ball gags or collars. Will one end up in rehabilatation camp somewhere in Mongolia with these items when getting screened?
b) If you cannot bring them , can you get any toys around CP?
c) Any experience using toys with the girls? Guess vibro should still be fine, but if you slap a collar on them it could give a shock for life[/QUOTE]
I think you can get them ( toys, dolls, vibrators, eggs, pills, black dildos ) at those sex shops. These small sex shops are all over China. There is one behind Lucky Hotel in CP. I went in to get some condoms because the CP girls normally don't carry them. Now for "exactly" what types of toys they sell, I don't know. If they sell them openly in China, they should be legal.
For bring them into China, I think it would very funny if a lady customs agent found vibrators or dildos in your bags. Overall, I don't think Chinese girls are into toys but maybe if you paid them extra. Now, are you trying to briing a few 12" black cock dildos to show off to the girls like someone else? (haha).
PS. You should ask Santa does he have any extra or returned sex toys from X-Mas.
[QUOTE=Weelock]I think you can get them ( toys, dolls, vibrators, eggs, pills ) at those sex shops. These small sex shops are all over China. There is one behind Lucky Hotel in CP. I went in to get some condoms because the CP girls normally don't carry them. Now for "exactly" what types of toys, I don't know. For bring them into China, I think it would very fun if a lady customs agent see a vibrator in your bags. But if they sell them openly in China, they should be legal. Overall, I don't think Chinese girls are into toys but maybe if you paid them extra.[/QUOTE]Seriously never thought about it when I had some hardcore dvd's with me, but have been thinking about it, and I did get a search on an internal flight, hand lugage only, dvds not in here, and hey where interested in a little bottle, which was nat bite liquid all OK, but my rubber stash was in the same pocket, and the guy questioned why I needed them among othe things, managed to joke it away.
In respect of toys not buying them in China would be best, although can't see many of the girls into but plugs from my experiance.
[QUOTE=Mc Fly XXX]Now we all know NOT to bring porn to Mainland China.
a) Can anyone clarify about toys for our toys? Starting from Vibrators over butt plugs to ball gags or collars. Will one end up in rehabilatation camp somewhere in Mongolia with these items when getting screened?
b) If you cannot bring them , can you get any toys around CP?
c) Any experience using toys with the girls? Guess vibro should still be fine, but if you slap a collar on them it could give a shock for life[/QUOTE]
Personally I think it depends on what kind of "toys" you want to use. Some girls love the little "Mighty Mite" and "Rabbit" vibrators my wingman buys in HK. I doubt many would be "open" and receptive to butt plugs, anal beads, ball gags and such without them being a girlfriend of sorts.
I once saw a dildo in Zhuhai that was so big, it looked like they used 3 lbs. of rubber to make it! The shop owner refused to sell it to me, maybe he was using it as a personal weapon in case he needed to beat someone!! As a joke, I would have loved to pull that thing out of my bag with one of the girls!
-SZE
[QUOTE=Mc Fly XXX]Now we all know NOT to bring porn to Mainland China.
a) Can anyone clarify about toys for our toys? Starting from Vibrators over butt plugs to ball gags or collars. Will one end up in rehabilatation camp somewhere in Mongolia with these items when getting screened?
b) If you cannot bring them , can you get any toys around CP?
c) Any experience using toys with the girls? Guess vibro should still be fine, but if you slap a collar on them it could give a shock for life[/QUOTE]
Mcfly
Not too many of the girls in china are into this SM Bondage or this is just too new for them. In my twenty plus years experience travelling thru asia, i only known three women that are truly interested in this stuff. Two are in their thirties and married and one is single. Pulling out a vibrator, maybe okay and some girls may try it.
With the rough stuff, ball gags, collars and butt plugs, all i could say is that pull one out slowly and if they do not run and are curious then pull another toy out. Don't dump it all out at once, you may scare the crap out of them or they may jump on you and use the toys to beat the crap out of you.
just my two cents worth. Good luck
Jwtong,
This subject seems to pop up from time to time on the China board. I also tip nominally if the service is excellent; 50 RMB for BBS girls for example. I usually give them the "taxi" fare too.
The theory that you are helping a poor family in the countryside may be flawed. Although this could be the case, many of the girls just gamble the money away.
I often hear the same stories about huge tips from customers. I think it might have happened to them once in a lifetime from some fool with no brains (or at least thinking with his dick only) and deep pockets.
My suggestion is do not try to justify your generousity. If you want to tip for service, keep it reasonable.
Just my POV.
OAH
On my last day in ChangPing, having worked through a respectable number of the Yalan and Hua Mei Alley girls, I decided to try a sauna. I'd heard various opinions from the members of the forum I had hung out with. The consensus seemed to be that it was too expensive and not necessarily an improvement over the girls in the shops.
Well, it was more expensive, but I loved it. It cost 528 rmb, and it was worth every penny.
Some of the descriptions I've read about have soaking pools and steam rooms and lockers and stuff. I went to the one on the seventh floor of the Miraton, which is maybe a little more basic. You get off the elevator and you're facing a desk with 2-3 girls and a couple of guys behind it. The one guy who spoke English took charge of me.
He led me to a very nice room: immaculate, with polished wooden floors, a king-sized bed, and an enormous step-down bathroom, complete with sauna. He asked me what I wanted, and I said I wanted a sauna, massage, and a pretty girl. He told me the girl was 300 rmb, and I said no problem.
About a minute later, five girls came in wearing short black cocktail dresses. Each of them carried a fancy little metallic makeup box with the tools of the trade. There were two I liked, and I finally pointed out one of the cutest girls I saw anywhere in ChangPing, maybe 20, maybe 5'1”, with hair to the top of her butt, and an absolutely luscious mouth. (Sorry, she spoke no English at all, and we were unable to exchange names.)
She turned on the sauna and undressed me, and then herself. She looked even better naked. Then she led me into the sauna and got the room ready while I sat there: clean towels on the bed, cups of hot water and ice, various gadgets, doodads, oils, and lotions. When she'd finished, I got out of the sauna and joined her in the shower, and she washed me more thoroughly than I've ever been washed before, using her body as a sponge, and getting literally into every crevice and opening.
The bed session started with light fingernail massage on my back. Then she used her tongue, and then something that was apparently edible, because she poured it over me, spread it out, and then sucked it up – an incredible feeling. She did some rimming and got me up on my hands and knees and worked on the rear exit for a while, with a lot more enthusiasm than I could have mustered if our roles had been reversed. I have to say it felt great, though. Then a rollover and a repeat of most of the treatment on my front and about ten minutes of some of the best oral of my life, before she straddled me and started the main event.
One of the things people say about why they don't like the saunas is the sense that it's all scripted. I didn't like the intercourse sequence in the script, so I changed it to reflect the positions, etc., I like best, and got lots of cheerful cooperation. We finished off, and she rolled over into my arms and lay there, hugging me, for a few minutes, and then she went down on me again. I'd love to say I managed it, but I didn't. I'd been extremely active the previous night and early that morning with an LT who was just insatiable. Wasn't her fault, though. I handed her her 300 and paid the additional 238 at the door.
So would I do it again? In a heartbeat. It's more money, but you know what you're going to get, and it won't be a girl with a list of “nos” a yard long, as it sometimes is in Yalan. I had only one problem: she gave me her phone number, and I lost it. The next sound you hear will be me hitting my head against the wall.
The sauna girls are hit and miss. Sometimes the service is crap.
Rising Son probably got great service because he's such a charming chap and makes the girls laugh. I had to try to keep him away from my girls because I was afraid they would like him more than me.
Rising Son,
An enjoyable final climax to your sessions in CP, I guess! I will stay at the Miraton for the first time late April and I will go straight to the 7. floor to share your experience.
BBB
Hui Hua does not have an English web site. It's Chinese web site claims it is a 5-star hotel. Its rooms have large screen plasma TVs, compared to a 19" CRT TV at the Miraton, so it has to be more upscale than the Miraton, which claims to be 4 stars.
I tried to book the room through a HK travel agency web site, but the guy never confirmed. I asked a few mongering bros to help but they said the rooms were all booked up.
I was unable to find any hotel-pimping sites that list any hotel in Chang Ping. So in desperation, I called up my friend Jia Jia the KTV mamasan. She took care of it quickly. I got the rooms at steep discount too, hehehe.
At this rate I will have to reciprocate by giving Jia Jia a few nights of pure pleasure and charging her only 75% rack rate. Believe me, Jia Jia needs a few good and hard sessions every night!
@ Rising Sun,
Thanks for this report. If you want we can find your gal and "preserve" her until you come back as we are doing it with Bill's gal :D.
[QUOTE=Rising Son][...] I went to the one on the [b]seventh floor[/b] of the Miraton, which is maybe a little more basic. [...][/QUOTE]
7th floor :confused:...hmm...not 9th floor? Santa and I met an assistant manager of 9th floor sauna area in elevator one time...maybe they have more than one sauna, have to check out these days.
LW
Good to know that you're looking after me and her while I'm gone.
I'll tell her to stay away from the boots I sent her.
Bill
[QUOTE=Laowai123]@ Rising Sun,
Thanks for this report. If you want we can find your gal and "preserve" her until you come back as we are doing it with Bill's gal :D.
7th floor :confused:...hmm...not 9th floor? Santa and I met an assistant manager of 9th floor sauna area in elevator one time...maybe they have more than one sauna, have to check out these days.
LW[/QUOTE]
Certainly China is not Japan and the girls are Human! And I am aware they are REAL not just somebody from an AV Video. I will treat and have treated them with all due respect and force them into nothing. Just wanted to straighten this.
So for my next trip I will just bring my one and only toy - Myself . Thx for sharing advice/ your pov with me.
Happy mongering
Mc Fly XXX
In Changping there is a sex toy shop in the first alley behind the Hui Mei Hotel.
If you walk around the "pedestrian only" shopping district of Dongmen in Shenzhen, lots of people will ask you if you want to buy "sex dvd".
Of course, Santa knows where the toys are sold :D
First, I want to say that Santa is being less than honest. In every single shop we visited, he got the one I wanted. And then, once in a while he'd show up at the restaurant I was writing in and show me his new one, and she was also invariably the one I would have chosen. And once he's taken them, they won't look at me.
After he left, I was going to make it my personal mission to, um, experience as many of his girls as possible, but other priorities intervened, which was just as well since I could barely walk when I left anyway.
And the Miraton sauna is on floors 7-9. For all I know, there's a different configuration on each floor. Could be they've got the pools, etc. on the other floors. What did you see on 9?
RS
I tried calling the hotel from but the phone seems to have been disconnected
Do you guys know their new number?
Who is the current manager now as I need to book for a few people & probably can negotiate a better deal (corporate discount may be)
Thanks
Downunder96
[url]http://www.miratonhotel.com/english/main-e.htm[/url]
Miraton Hotel, Zhongyuan Road, Changping Town, Dongguan, Guangdong
Post code: 523560
Tel: (86)+769+83028888
Fax: 86-769-83339999/83028889
[QUOTE=Downunder96]I tried calling the hotel from but the phone seems to have been disconnected[/QUOTE]
Try again, there was a power shortcut in DG and SZ too few minutes ago...
LW
[QUOTE=Downunder96]I tried calling the hotel from but the phone seems to have been disconnected.
Do you guys know their new number?
Who is the current manager now as I need to book for a few people & probably can negotiate a better deal (corporate discount may be)
Thanks,
Downunder96
[url]http://www.miratonhotel.com/english/main-e.htm[/url]
Miraton Hotel, Zhongyuan Road, Changping Town, Dongguan, Guangdong
Post code: 523560
Tel: (86)+769+83028888
Fax: 86-769-83339999/83028889[/QUOTE]The numbers you had quoted are correct and there had been no change.
Corporate rate applies to customers who sign a deal minimum booking deals over one year or if you are regular customer the come around at least twice a week.
You can try calling them and negotiate with teh front desk manager, Mr. David Yang. You are likely to know the ex-manager Holly Lan who has left Miraton and went to New Century Hotel since last October.
Enjoy!
AG
[QUOTE=Rising Son]
And the Miraton sauna is on floors 7-9. For all I know, there's a different configuration on each floor. Could be they've got the pools, etc. on the other floors. What did you see on 9?
RS[/QUOTE]
The 9th floor is their buffer floor. It is not so obviously a FS sauna centre. The rooms are closer to the standard hotel rooms with a small sauna but no sunken baths etc. Just a shower. Traffic is also less as there are some er...........hotel guests who have wives with them etc.
I attached a new version of CP locations for Google Earth.
Updates:
- added "Night Market"
Note: Do not go to "Night Market" alone! This area seems to be an area for locals too and by this "strangers", like laowais, maybe not welcome by local customers and so pimps and pimps are more present there than at other areas.
CP-Locations-ISG-Google v4
Feel free to send feedback about typos, for corrections and new locations!
LW
PS:
To open the attached/zipped ".kmz" file you need the Google Earth Viewer which can be d/l here: [url]http://earth.google.com/[/url]
Dear Members,
I was informed that some members do not know how to open my Google Earth Files.
To open these files you have to d/l and install Google Earth Viewer. This viewer can be d/l here: [url]http://earth.google.com/[/url]
Dear Members, sorry for assuming that you know this and please do not hesitate to ask in case you do not understand or don't know something. "There is no stupid question, only a stupid answer!"
LW
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]The numbers you had quoted are correct and there had been no change.
Corporate rate applies to customers who sign a deal minimum booking deals over one year or if you are regular customer the come around at least twice a week.
You can try calling them and negotiate with teh front desk manager, Mr. David Yang. You are likely to know the ex-manager Holly Lan who has left Miraton and went to New Century Hotel since last October.
Enjoy!
AG[/QUOTE]
I just phoned Miraton and spoke to a woman at the front desk (in Chinese). I was quoted a one bed room for RMB328 with discount for this Sunday. Is that the discounted rack rate and how is it compared to your corporate rate this year. I know the rate was published on this forum a while back but I wanted to know if it has changed. And is the one bed at least a double-sized bed?
Is there a party in CP this weekend or is this a stupid question?
Cheers.
[QUOTE=Wilde]I just phoned Miraton and spoke to a woman at the front desk (in Chinese). I was quoted a one bed room for RMB328 with discount for this Sunday. Is that the discounted rack rate and how is it compared to your corporate rate this year. I know the rate was published on this forum a while back but I wanted to know if it has changed. And is the one bed at least a double-sized bed?
Is there a party in CP this weekend or is this a stupid question?
Cheers.[/QUOTE]
328 is our company rate on Friday and Saturday, other days 298. Room has only one bed...but a biiiig one :D:
LW
[QUOTE=Laowai123]328 is our company rate on Friday and Saturday, other days 298. Room has only one bed...but a biiiig one :D:
LW[/QUOTE]When I started staying at the Miraton over a year ago, the rate was 268(weekdays, Sun - Thurs) and 298 (Weekends Sat & Fri) includes 2 Breakfast and unlimited housekeeping makeup of room.
In around Sept 2006 (Sorry I might had forgotten the actual month) the rate went up to 298 for weekdays and 328 for weekends. This includes one breakfast and only one makeup of room per day. Any extra room makeup will be charged at 50 each time. Due to complain from customers on the breakfast, they revised it to 2 breakfasts a month later.
These are corporate rates courtesy of OAHISG travel services Inc. I had never stayed in Miraton at any other non-corporate rates besides occasional fully booked dates in which I will be put in Junior Suite or family Suite or Mahjong Suite for between 468 and 568.
If I am not wrong; the non-corporate rates for a standard room is 328 on Weekdays and 368 on weekends. I could be wrong, please feel free to correct me.
AG
Hmmm..
ISG members have given Miraton so much business that we should get our own corporate rate.
I bet our worldwide ISG corporate members now may be close to a thousand.
Can we get this rate booking directly, or have to go through our senior members that are regulars in CP?
mpfslover
[QUOTE=Laowai123]328 is our company rate on Friday and Saturday, other days 298. Room has only one bed...but a biiiig one :D:
LW[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MpfsLover]Hmmm..
ISG members have given Miraton so much business that we should get our own corporate rate.
I bet our worldwide ISG corporate members now may be close to a thousand.
Can we get this rate booking directly, or have to go through our senior members that are regulars in CP?
mpfslover[/QUOTE]
- ISG is not a company...at least not in this/our case!!!
- you will get the rates yourself when becoming a regular customer, just show them first that you are good customer and they will honor it
- you can negotiate this rates when staying longer than one/two nights
- yes, you can get the rates when asking a member to book a room for you by providing your real name, social security number, credit card number with CCV2 code, address used with this CC, Blood type, result of last blood screening and many, many other data...but less than US Homeland Security wants from us...
And, what are CNY 30 difference when you are willing to pay x-times more for a gal???!!! This, i am not able to understand, complaining about CNY 30 and then throwing money after a gal. At least for this CNY 30 (respectively 328/358) you know what you get, you maybe will ask yourself what you got from a gal after you paid her.
Do you get two breakfast vouchers from your LT gal?? No, she will start argue with you when not providing her money for a cab ride and then using a motorcycle or just walk away...
LW
PS:
When you are able to catch the point you will know what we need to book for you...are you able?
Don't understand why some fellows have problems with hotel bookings and rates. What are they doing in China if not for business, so they should have a contact who could take care of these practic things. I never stayed at the Miraton but my GZ contact got a room rate of RMB 435,00 deluxe single during Canton fair. This is not bad at all.
LW, are you serious about all these requirements for a booking?
BBB
[QUOTE=Laowai123]- ISG is not a company...at least not in this/our case!!!
- you will get the rates yourself when becoming a regular customer, just show them first that you are good customer and they will honor it
- you can negotiate this rates when staying longer than one/two nights
- yes, you can get the rates when asking a member to book a room for you by providing your real name, social security number, credit card number with CCV2 code, address used with this CC, Blood type, result of last blood screening and many, many other data...but less than US Homeland Security wants from us...
And, what are CNY 30 difference when you are willing to pay x-times more for a gal???!!! This, i am not able to understand, complaining about CNY 30 and then throwing money after a gal. At least for this CNY 30 (respectively 328/358) you know what you get, you maybe will ask yourself what you got from a gal after you paid her.
Do you get two breakfast vouchers from your LT gal?? No, she will start argue with you when not providing her money for a cab ride and then using a motorcycle or just walk away...
LW
PS:
When you are able to catch the point you will know what we need to book for you...are you able?[/QUOTE]
One important thing to remember about CP is that it starts and ends early. The BBS girls show up at Yalan between 2-3PM and by 10PM it is very slim pickings. I called one mama after midnight last night and she had nothing. Even the area behind the Hui Mei was all shut except for a few stragglers left over in the 2 star hotel there. KTV also starts earlier than other parts of China. Best to be there before 7PM if you want to see the best quality. The night market area probably had over 100 girls, but I got the same feeling as Laowai123 did. Although some girls were keen to go, most of them did not seem too "laowai friendly".
Just my POV.
OAH
Thanks AG for the ex manager name Holly Lan I threw away her card long time ago. Anyway I just spoke to Cherry from the help desk (with my broken mandarin) & I told her that Holly promised to give me discount when I come back second time to Miraton hotel.
This is what I was quoted:
Normal rate: $298
Between 15th - 30th Apr $328 (due to Canton Fair)
I did manage to crack a joke about her name Cherry hope she is not offended
Downunder96
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]The numbers you had quoted are correct and there had been no change.
Corporate rate applies to customers who sign a deal minimum booking deals over one year or if you are regular customer the come around at least twice a week.
You can try calling them and negotiate with teh front desk manager, Mr. David Yang. You are likely to know the ex-manager Holly Lan who has left Miraton and went to New Century Hotel since last October.
Enjoy!
AG[/QUOTE]
Went out to CP with OAH and Night Cat for a one nighter, meet up with other mongers who were already in town to include Laowai123, Gojo Bob and Jetsetter. Gojo Bob and I decided to reserve a couple of girls from behind the Hui Mei and then go over to the Walter Hotel for a foot massage.
The foot massage was 45 rmb, private rooms where you are able to play with the girls and they can play with you. Lots of fun for a small price! We did checkout the main massage floor where you are given a private hotel room with king size bed and the girls were very sexy and attractive. Boss stated 488 rmb for massage and FS, might try it next time I am out there, would even be worth it if you can stay overnight as it's a legit, nice hotel room.
Anyone else have experience with this hotel?
My girl came to the room at midnight. Very sweet and young girl, spoke a little English and was such a delight to be with, we spent an hour just chatting before we got into the fun. She had only been in CP for 10 days and I was only here third customer, so she said.
Name: Xiao Mang (named her Sandy)
Age: Chinese 18
Home: Chongqing
Looks: 7
Body: 7 Very tight so I might have actually been the 3rd.
Skills: 7
Attitude: 9
Price: 100+100+20
Overall: Delightful girl, didn't even trash my bathroom and said thank you for the 20 rmb tip I gave her. I will certainly look her up again.
-SZE
[QUOTE=Downunder96]Thanks AG for the ex manager name Holly Lan I threw away her card long time ago. Anyway I just spoke to Cherry from the help desk (with my broken mandarin) & I told her that Holly promised to give me discount when I come back second time to Miraton hotel.
This is what I was quoted:
Normal rate: $298
Between 15th - 30th Apr $328 (due to Canton Fair)
I did manage to crack a joke about her name Cherry hope she is not offended
Downunder96[/QUOTE]I will be in town on April 25th and called the Miraton to reserve a room for 3 nights. It was suprisingly easy , she gave me the rate and took my information and the next day the hotel faxed a confirmation back to me in Canada.
I prefer to prepay my hotels to avoid surprises and receive my air miles but the Miraton did not appear on Expedia or the other travel sites.
Reading the forum gave me the confidence to spend some relaxing time in CP after the pressures of the fair.
Would some one be so kind as to google earth ZMT?
Thanks
[QUOTE=ManonsanBoy]Would some one be so kind as to google earth ZMT?
Thanks[/QUOTE]
I attached a file only showing where CP, ZMT, Tangxia and Huang Jiang are as you did not specify your request. Or do you want a a guide like for CP...? ;)
LW
Laowai
Thanks. That is great. I am pondering taking a bus from HK to ZMT and it says it stops at Tangxia.
Saw something on the BBC last night which detered me from going to SZ and DG. There is evidently some sort of crack down in Southern China and all the BBS are closed. They paraded the girls and their johns. I take it all is well ?
Guys you can also Try Springwood Harbour Hotel SAUNA 4th floor. take the right entrance, the left entrance is for the legit sauna. Price Room 218 / Girl 400.
Hello bros,
I arrived in HK a few months back and started to monger quite intensively. Started with 141 girls in HK and as I go weekly to SHZ and Houjie, I got some interesting 'experience' there. At SHZ I stay at Shangri la but i know this is not the right channel for SHZ. Nevertheless if someone would like to meet there, i am willing to.
In Houjie I stay at the sheraton. Same thing, if there are out there some bros to monger together, just let me know.
In fact I write because I read all your posts for several weeks. I plan to go to CP this week end to discover this heaven for horny men. Indeed, I enjoy young and innocent looking girls which are very naughty once in bed. Mmm.
At the same time I follow your recommandation to go there and meet people to take me to the right places immediately ;-)... On top, it is w/o any doubt more fun to be amongst buddies.
Net, who will be in CP this week end. I could stay at any hotel in the area such as the Miraton or others, I will follow your recommandation.
Of course I have a cell phone i can provide to whoever is interested. Feel free to MP me.
Thanks again for your help and I hope to see some of you there this week end. I know you are always welcoming new ISG members ;-)
[QUOTE=ManonsanBoy]Laowai
Thanks. That is great. I am pondering taking a bus from HK to ZMT and it says it stops at Tangxia.[/QUOTE]
There are direct buses from HK to ZMT and vs.. CTS offers buses from their Wanchai/Mong Kok/Prince Edward stations:
[url]http://*******.com/2elch2[/url]
From Huang Gang Border Station are frequently e&e buses going to ZMT and vs.
From Luo Hu also frequently buses directly to ZMT and vs..
LW
[QUOTE=Mas 147][...] They paraded the girls and their johns. I take it all is well ?[/QUOTE]
If you mean this: [url]http://*******.com/yfb3dt[/url] , long time ago. Biz as usual and as long we do it in appropriate way.
LW
Do tell me if there's any air miles associated with the Miraton and what airline? Most Chinese hotel aren't associated with any airline mileage program. But if the Miraton is, please let me know?
Bill
[QUOTE=Kit Karson]I will be in town on April 25th and called the Miraton to reserve a room for 3 nights. It was suprisingly easy , she gave me the rate and took my information and the next day the hotel faxed a confirmation back to me in Canada.
I prefer to prepay my hotels to avoid surprises and receive my air miles but the Miraton did not appear on Expedia or the other travel sites.
Reading the forum gave me the confidence to spend some relaxing time in CP after the pressures of the fair.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hk Live][...] I could stay at any hotel in the area such as the Miraton or others, I will follow your recommandation.[...][/QUOTE]
No need to follow recommandation, just RTFF and you will find enough information where to stay. But, there is one recommandation: Book your room in CP and on weekends in advance, you maybe will have problems to book a room at the hotel you would like to stay when arriving without reservation on Friday evening or Saturday.
LW
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]Do tell me if there's any air miles associated with the Miraton and what airline? Most Chinese hotel aren't associated with any airline mileage program. But if the Miraton is, please let me know?
Bill[/QUOTE]Miraton is associated with OAH travel agency miles only. :D
AG
[QUOTE=Hk Live]
I could stay at any hotel in the area such as the Miraton or others, I will follow your recommandation.[/QUOTE]
If you normally stay at the Shang and the Sheraton, you would probably prefer Hui Hua over Miraton. The HH is a step above Miraton. I have to admit, the Miraton has a musky smell that permeates the corridors which I don't like. HH is also pretty reasonable at 348RMB or 358RMB a night, don't remember exactly at the moment.
Guys,
I just stayed at the Grand Howard in Qingqi Town for a night. I've been there a few times before but only to the bar and karaoke room with other people. This time I decided to get a massage.
Went to level 4 where it has foot massage, massage and sauna. Looked at the menu and decided on a full body massage. They told me to go to level 6. Level 6 is basically a whole floor of rooms with girls. And plenty of them.
200rmb for the room and 500rmb for the girl for 2 hours. Up to you if you want to tip the girl extra.
I settled on a cute 18 yr old called Tingting. She has a tight body and back tattoo. Anyway, into the shower where she washes every bit of you and then goes right into BBBJ with lots of energy. After this and into covered sex in the shower. She speaks very little English, but enough to point out my 2 hours covers 2 money shots. I prefer to take my time and enjoy one long session, she we went to the bed and continued to suck and fuck. She body has no fat on it, but plenty of firm muscle without being too muscle bound. Probably helps that she is young and eats well, I don't know......
I ended up popping on her stomach then had a nice warm down massage for 10-15 mins. I tipped her at the end and can't wait to sample more on my next visit.
[QUOTE=Moody]If you normally stay at the Shang and the Sheraton, you would probably prefer Hui Hua over Miraton. The HH is a step above Miraton. [/QUOTE]Loawai, Moody,
thanks for your input. I am not too picky on the hotel, I go to the Sher and Shang because the company book these. In the case of CP I would priorize a nice location near the 'action' ;-)
Nobody would like to go there with me this week end?
I was just kidding about this...
Thanks for taking time out with a long reply.
mpfslover
[QUOTE=Laowai123]- ISG is not a company...at least not in this/our case!!!
- you will get the rates yourself when becoming a regular customer, just show them first that you are good customer and they will honor it
- you can negotiate this rates when staying longer than one/two nights
- yes, you can get the rates when asking a member to book a room for you by providing your real name, social security number, credit card number with CCV2 code, address used with this CC, Blood type, result of last blood screening and many, many other data...but less than US Homeland Security wants from us...
And, what are CNY 30 difference when you are willing to pay x-times more for a gal???!!! This, i am not able to understand, complaining about CNY 30 and then throwing money after a gal. At least for this CNY 30 (respectively 328/358) you know what you get, you maybe will ask yourself what you got from a gal after you paid her.
Do you get two breakfast vouchers from your LT gal?? No, she will start argue with you when not providing her money for a cab ride and then using a motorcycle or just walk away...
LW
PS:
When you are able to catch the point you will know what we need to book for you...are you able?[/QUOTE]
Frequent Fucker mileage program I heard so much about?
It's 100RMB or less spent equal 1 mile?
Wish I could join that program?
Maybe in May? I'm going to rack up those points. This club is better than the Mile High club.
Sometimes, quantity is as important as quality.
Just my 2 cents,
Bill
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Miraton is associated with OAH travel agency miles only. :D
AG[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mas 147]Saw something on the BBC last night which detered me from going to SZ and DG. There is evidently some sort of crack down in Southern China and all the BBS are closed. They paraded the girls and their johns. I take it all is well ?[/QUOTE]
Hello,
If it’s the same news video that’s link below by the BBC, its all over. It happened late last year around Dec 06. This was the annual crack down before the new year. One of the place was Sha Tsui in Shenzhen. The crack down in Sha Tsui made world news in Dec. Another place looks like Houjie in Dongguan with the BBS on both sides of the street but I'm not 100% sure.
I am more curious about one place I don’t recognize. In the very beginning of the clip, they showed the fronts of a few BBS with girls setting around. It looks like Walmart Area in Fuitian, Shenzhen. Can anyone help with the location? Thanks….
[url]http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=49750&cl=2158037&ch=1105621&src=news[/url]
PS. Anybody from the F.B.I, C.I.D., MI6, CIA or any gov't secret agent spy out there, pick a number. I like number 198 in the video.
EDIT. I just found out the BBC is censored in China.
[QUOTE=Szexpat]Went out to CP with OAH and Night Cat for a one nighter, meet up with other mongers who were already in town to include Laowai123, Gojo Bob and Jetsetter. Gojo Bob and I decided to reserve a couple of girls from behind the Hui Mei and then go over to the Walter Hotel for a foot massage.
The foot massage was 45 rmb, private rooms where you are able to play with the girls and they can play with you. Lots of fun for a small price! We did checkout the main massage floor where you are given a private hotel room with king size bed and the girls were very sexy and attractive. Boss stated 488 rmb for massage and FS, might try it next time I am out there, would even be worth it if you can stay overnight as it's a legit, nice hotel room.
Anyone else have experience with this hotel?
My girl came to the room at midnight. Very sweet and young girl, spoke a little English and was such a delight to be with, we spent an hour just chatting before we got into the fun. She had only been in CP for 10 days and I was only here third customer, so she said.
Name: Xiao Mang (named her Sandy)
Age: Chinese 18
Home: Chongqing
Looks: 7
Body: 7 Very tight so I might have actually been the 3rd.
Skills: 7
Attitude: 9
Price: 100+100+20
Overall: Delightful girl, didn't even trash my bathroom and said thank you for the 20 rmb tip I gave her. I will certainly look her up again.
-SZE[/QUOTE]I have stayed there 5 times in the past 2 years, each time for over 10 days. If 10 days or more at a time, you can get another 10-15% off. I normally go for their rooms with computer ($40 more per night). Their rooms with computer are about the same price as the noncomputer rooms at Miraton. It is a very comfortable 4 stars hotel. But it only comes with 1 meal.
Knowing that this was going to be my last trip in a long time, my buddy and I (CMAN) and I came to CP for what we believe to be our last trip in a while. We each have obligations and while we would love to come back more, probably won't be able to. So on a moment's notice (less than a week) we booked and came to CP (as we have been in the last few years).
We started off on our own and eventually met up with lots of ISGers who are around and had a blast just getting to know the guys, meeting new friends and generally building the network.
As a bit of background, I'm an ABC (technically not born in America, but been there long enough) speak enough Mandarin to get around, but don't read or write. My buddy who is an ABC doesn't speak any chinese, but has picked up words here and there, and had just as good of a time by utilizing the phrase book and using me as a translator.
We started a few years ago staying at Hui Mei, and eventually moved to staying at Hui Hwa, the sister hotel. Like I said previous posts, after getting to know the mommy at the KTV on the 3rd level, we got the rate of 392 RMB for the Exec. Rooms which include a 32" TV, and a DVD / PC that connects to the internet. Nice to have if you're traveling bare, but I bring my own laptop, so having the PC wasn't a big deal, but I love the DVD Player.
First, the DVD player in the room makes it nice to kick it with the girl after a session. Since I hate watching Chinese shows and the hotel's version of cable simply sucks, I need something to break up my day while I'm lying in bed. For those who don't speak chinese, it's even a better idea because if you can't communicate and can't sleep and want to just chill naked getting more value to your buck, then having an english DVD with chinese wording works the best.
Assuming the girl is cool, and likes you, they are always more than happy to just kick it, since being in their stuffy BBS's isn't as fun as your luxury room, AC, nice comforter, and just relaxing.
Anyways, in terms of getting to CP, we found the roundtrip service from the HK airport to be the best. When you go to HK, go to the A15 stand it's located in front of Termina A arrivals. Tell them you want a one way to CP, which will cost you 250 RMB. (Approx. $35). Some may think that's pricey because you can take a big bus for less, but I think the small minivan (7 person) is the way to go. first, if you get off the van at all it'd be only once. For the big bus, you'll have to get off twice, and it takes FOREVER waiting for others to pass through the border.
Small van allows you quick access. Sometimes it takes a little longer depending on the border, but we were through the border and off to CP in under 2 hours. Which isn't bad from HK. I used to take a minivan just to the border, and take the taxi's waiting to come back to the DG area, but the cost difference was minimal. As such, the 250 RMB was well worth the ease and hassle free trip STRAIGHT to the Hui Hwa entrance. I mean it was from HK straight to the Hui Hwa entrance with NO PROBLEMS.
For those who don't have Chinese Currency, the only issue with doing this route is that you won't have anywhere to change money on the way EXCEPT at the HK airport which only gives you HK Dollars (which is not as desireable as the RMB) so keep in mind how you can change just enough to get your ticket and then take the minivan straight to Hui Hwa. There you can go to the local Bank of China and get some money.
****Okay, enough background, I have to meet some gals for dinner so I'll write later **** This is Part 1 of many...
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Shazzam,
You mean QingXi right? Used to spent lots of time at Grand Howard's KTV until they started raising pricing for girls, but never tried the Sauna although I stayed at the Sauna rooms overnight many times, the room was fairly good.
Did they have a big lineup of girls? what was the quality like? maybe I will have to try on my next trip out.
CC1024
[QUOTE=Shazzam]Guys,
I just stayed at the Grand Howard in Qingqi Town for a night. I've been there a few times before but only to the bar and karaoke room with other people. This time I decided to get a massage.
Went to level 4 where it has foot massage, massage and sauna. Looked at the menu and decided on a full body massage. They told me to go to level 6. Level 6 is basically a whole floor of rooms with girls. And plenty of them.
200rmb for the room and 500rmb for the girl for 2 hours. Up to you if you want to tip the girl extra.
I settled on a cute 18 yr old called Tingting. She has a tight body and back tattoo. Anyway, into the shower where she washes every bit of you and then goes right into BBBJ with lots of energy. After this and into covered sex in the shower. She speaks very little English, but enough to point out my 2 hours covers 2 money shots. I prefer to take my time and enjoy one long session, she we went to the bed and continued to suck and fuck. She body has no fat on it, but plenty of firm muscle without being too muscle bound. Probably helps that she is young and eats well, I don't know......
I ended up popping on her stomach then had a nice warm down massage for 10-15 mins. I tipped her at the end and can't wait to sample more on my next visit.[/QUOTE]
Part 2.
Okay, so the van trip was a quick one, took about 2 hours from HK right to the door of Hui Hwa. The problem with checking in initially was that we were a day early and they couldn't find the original reservation. So what I suggest is that even if you do reserve with someone, double check the week and a few days before hand. When I say double check, I mean triple and quadruple check it so that you are covered. If you try to show up on a Saturday as we did with no confirmable reservation, it was a challenge to get a room. Fortunately, however, we did, we had to get a double bed room, but hey, one for having fun and one for sleeping. It was a one night thing and the next night we were back in our king sized beds.
So checked in around 2 p. M. , got showered, and then made it a mission to get the first initial "edge" off. So we headed out in search of some BBS gals. Given our proximity to Hui Mei Alleyways (Thanks Lao Wai 123 for the AWESOME work of the CP maps, which allowed us to know where everything was), we went straight to the alleys, and followed the various mommies to their "stables". After visiting a few, we found ones that we liked, slim pickings at around 2-3 p. M. , I think the gals are more availble in numbers later in the evening after 6 or 7 p. M?
Either way, we found ones we liked, and for us, we never pay up front. It's not really "necessary", but we weren't walking home with the gals, since we don't like to draw attention. Rather we have the gals sent up to the room "in about 10 minutes". So I had what I will later explain as the MP Thief in my room. Huge rack, cute face, but whose nether regions were not that fragrant (which I only found out later). So upon her showing up, she seemed fun enough, did a BBBJ session (limited, because she was bitching about this and that), then CFS, which I was turned off by her "fragrance. " So we then moved to a Russian between those huge breasts. Now since I brought my own lube, it turned out to be quite fun, and while I've never finished this way, since I had been so looking forward to this, it wasn' that hard. Left her a nice pearl necklace which was quite proud of.
Okay so here's my dumbass rookie move. Being that I was going to move rooms, I didn't do the normal security that I usually do after check-in. In other words, I had left everything in my backpack which was sitting on the couch. You all know where this is going. Later that evening, after getting my repeater, I started looking for my blackberry to charge and found out the ***** stole it. (I have later stories on my adventures trying to get it back). Irrespective, after finding out about her activities, I called up her mommy and had a meeting with her. She told me she had not returned and had other complaints (not sure if they were theft related).
Either way, LESSON NUMBER ONE. SECURE YOUR SHIT! At minimum put it in the closet which you can easily see from the bathroom. The smartest thing to do is to put everything in the safe you find valuable, and then to put things in as inconvenient position as you can. I was only out of sight from her for about 30 seconds while I was getting my toothbrush, but it was enough for her to open my backpack and grab my blackberry.
Oh well, lesson learned.
Okay, so that night, even before I found out about the stolen phone, we booked a room at the Hui Hwa KTV. At the KTV, we found out a little secret we previously did not know about. First, we got a glass booth in the "DA TING" translated as the "Big Room. " After sitting and asking for the line-up (despite getting there at 6: 30 p. M.. Fairly early), we found little to no interest in lining up for two guys. I was thinking. Okay. Something's wrong, so we decided to go browsing for out own. We later learned that in terms of the big room, only 3 mommies have access to bring line ups there. In short, while there are something like 15 mommies or maybe more, you only get a small percentage of them in front of you. However, if you go out and look, you can pick whatever girl you fancy.
Problem with going out to pick a gal in the hallways is your ability to look, and know that she is worthy of you stopping her. It was too much pressure for my buddy who was a dear in headlights. My problem was that before I got to see anybody I liked, the repeater from my last trip spotted me. Since I was going to take her later that week, I had to take her again, so didn't get the variety I was looking forward to that night. Oh well, it was still VERY good, since I had maintained a relationship with her since leaving last time (calls every once in a while, a few text messages, etc.).
Irrespective, my buddy looked around, eventually found someone, and we partied in the glass room whose minimum was 200 RMB. It's a good deal, since we weren't looking to drink it up and there was just two us. No DJ Fee, just the 200 and so it was the KTV experience without the price. However, please don't forget about the rule that only certain mommies on certain nights get to bring girls to the "DA TING".
Anyways, we had a good time, and I"m not sharing information on my repeater. Yah, I'm selfish, but here's a picture of the ***** thief.
More to come in Part 3
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For a couple days we went to the restaurants on the main drag where they display live seafood in tanks on sidewalk. We were eating pure seafood for a couple days because we could not speak enough Chinese to order from menus.
Met with MFPSLOVER. He took us to the small barbeque place a few doors from the Miraton's front door. The name is Man Lian Cha Can Ting. They hang BBQ ducks and chicken in glass store front. He ordered some very tasty dishes. We came back the same night and were able to order some very nice dishes to go with copious amount of beer, despite our language handicap. The food was very good and cheap even in CP standards.
MFPSLOVER also took us to the action near Yalan hotel. It was a very interesting sight with mamasans hawking their girls like chickens. I took a girl from Yalan who was very pretty with a happy personality. We spent a few nights at the Hui Mei's KTV stage. The mamasans there are also very aggressive in selling the company of their girls, short of pulling their boobies from their fancy party dresses, and urging the clients to feel the samples...
Had a great time hanging out with the guys. Will post more info soon.
After reading this forum I am interested in visiting CP. My question is should I even bother visiting Dongquan? I'll only have three nights and this is strictly a mongering trip. Everything I read here leads me to think Dongquan doesn't offer a mongering tourist nearly as much action as CP.
I also wanted to ask if it would be very difficult to see the sites of CP without knowing the local language. I'm been to Beijing, Shanghai, and HK but I realize CP is more challenging.
Thanks for any replies.
[QUOTE=Allover]After reading this forum I am interested in visiting CP. My question is should I even bother visiting Dongquan? I'll only have three nights and this is strictly a mongering trip. Everything I read here leads me to think Dongquan doesn't offer a mongering tourist nearly as much action as CP.
I also wanted to ask if it would be very difficult to see the sites of CP without knowing the local language. I'm been to Beijing, Shanghai, and HK but I realize CP is more challenging.
Thanks for any replies.[/QUOTE]To clarify any misconception, CP is a city located within DongGuan which is more of a region (think of town vs. County). While there is "DongGuan City", whenever people are talking about Dongguan, they could be talking about CP or they could be talking about other town located within Dongguan (such as Houjie).
If you wanted just to get the "best of, " I'd suggest staying where the action is and you'd have to be blind and dumb not to find someone pimpin a girl to you. With the use of LaoWai's map, and two legs, you could get laid in about 30 minutes of stepping outside of your hotel. Just walk down he main strip.
To get the best of I'd suggest the following:
1. BBS Girl (step out the hotel and go shopping). Can do it easily behind Hui Mei's alley and pick from there, or if you're more willing to wait, go to the Yalan District for happy hunting.
2. KTV. Usually only done with groups, but going alone to Ja Yui (Tao Yang Recreation) and sitting at the bar or "da ting" is fun too. Gotta do the gauntlet of 300+ gals and arrive early for your pick.
3. Sauna. A one of a kind experience. Hui Hwa has one, Miraton has one, Virgin has one, and so do most of the major hotels. You'll get every oraface licked. I even had a chick, put a condom on my toe and allowed me to toe bang her. Whever in the world do you get that kind of treatment? !
Anyways, that's probably the best of. Best stay away from the Catacombes. Find your favorite, do a double, and that'll cover you for about 3 days.
Oh yah, don't forget to get a footie. I personally like the one at Lucky Hotel. Other guys on the board would go for Hui Mei's footie place, but I think the gals at Lucky are cuter and more fun.
[QUOTE=Allover]I also wanted to ask if it would be very difficult to see the sites of CP without knowing the local language.
Thanks for any replies.[/QUOTE]The answer to you are:
No
No
and No.....
It is very easy to get around in CP and it is not so scary! But just be careful, don't do things that are not mentioned on the board. Don't get pulled into some BBS by mamas in some areas not mentioned.
AG
Jettsetter,
Great report! Too bad I haven't enough that day to show you around CP.
But!
IMHO: Although she is a thief. I don't think it is very nice to post her photo in a public forum without her permission. Agree?
AG
[QUOTE=Jettsetter]
2. KTV. Usually only done with groups, but going alone to Ja Yui (Tao Yang Recreation) and sitting at the bar or "da ting" is fun too. Gotta do the gauntlet of 300+ gals and arrive early for your pick.
[/QUOTE]
Small correction. The place is call Tao Yuan or Jia Yi.
The mamasans will pull you off the street and show you their girls. Just stay in the two main areas for fun, Yalan and Hui Mei. The price is better than the cities you mentioned and the girls are younger too.
Quality is always a hit or miss anywhere. You really don't need to know the language. The mamasans are pretty much used to the non-speaking customers by now. Just read the board on the pricing and don't get rid off. Safeguard your valuables and you'll be fine.
When I was there in Dec., 2006, there were about 50 girls total in the 4 shops in the Hui Mei area and over 150 girls total in the 6 shops in the Yalan area.
The catacomb is worth visiting, just to see what 30RMB can get you. It's a 10 minute walk from the Miraton and a 15 minute walk through. Go during daylight, after 3:00 p.m. Go with a friend.
Bill
[QUOTE=Allover]After reading this forum I am interested in visiting CP. My question is should I even bother visiting Dongquan? I'll only have three nights and this is strictly a mongering trip. Everything I read here leads me to think Dongquan doesn't offer a mongering tourist nearly as much action as CP.
I also wanted to ask if it would be very difficult to see the sites of CP without knowing the local language. I'm been to Beijing, Shanghai, and HK but I realize CP is more challenging.
Thanks for any replies.[/QUOTE]
Left CP, called Sali the driver to go to Dongguan. He agreed to 150Y from the Hui Hua hotel. Dongguan/Houjie is a large factory town. Nothing much interesting. Stayed at the Shanhu, 4-star hotel, for less than US$50 a night, about 1/3 miles from the Sheraton which costs US$120 , same owner, a Chinese guy owned both.
Had to sleep due to time zone difference. Took a super effort to get up at 7PM to go to Sheraton KTV. The mamasan met us at the huge lobby. A Chinese guest translated for us. The minimum charge for the smallest room is 680Y, sitting fee 300Y, ST 800Y, LT 1000Y. I told her prices are way too high, and I want to look at the line up first.
Was taken upstairs. The 2 dozen hostesses at the door were all tall, pretty and elegant. About 30 VERY PRETTY girls were lounging around in a living room. I was very impressed and decided to stay.
Was taken downstairs to a small karaoke room. The mamasan said special deal for 390Y min, but any drink order would offset the 390Y. Ordered 12 beers, got 12 free for 600Y. Not bad.
The mamasan brought in a young girl who speaks fairly good English to translate. She has that classic pretty face, tall , slim and elegant. She explained the deal in details.... Sheraton 5-star hotel, no hidden charges, no lies etc... I immediately decided she would stay with me.
Despite her classy good looks that beat any girl I have met in KTV's in China, she was a 23 YO garment worker in Dongguan. The pay was low, but she lost her job when the factory moved to an even lower-wage area in Fuchow. She showed me the hardened palms and the many small scars on her small beautiful hands. She said my hands are way too soft compared to hers. She had taken English lesson, 6 hours per week, at the factory. The top office managers were all US-educated Chinese. She works for KTV about 3 months.
We asked for a lineup for my friend. The first 10 girls had many pretty ones, but one tall, slim girls had that pretty face worthy of a movie actress. Unbeknownst to each other, all 3 of us had voted for that little 20 YO girl. She's a friend of my girl. We started drinking and singing. Hired a pretty young girl to work the machine for 200Y. She was also drinking the beer heavily.
Occasionally the young mamasans and business managers dropped in to talk and drink with us. The 24 beers last a long time. Told the managers to hire a teacher and give English lessons to the young girls. They would learn quickly. Would improve guests' satisfaction tremenduously as well as earnings and tips for the girls etc... all agreed.
I was gradually falling in love with my pretty English-speaking girl. She was probably feeling the same when heard of my care and concerns for the hard-working people of China.
My friend was in love with his girl at first sight. We decided to drink up then go. All top managers showed up for tips when we got ready to leave. My girl told me the mamasans take 20% of all her earnings. I only tipped the 2 mamasan 100Y each, did not tip the manager. He should learn about the Big Golden Parachute trick from the stupid corporate assholes in America.
Needless to say, my girl gave me a true GF experience. She has a beautiful and well-proportion body. She was fairly inexperienced in sex, had 1 BF who left her to marry someone else. She asked me to give her a second round immediately after we were done with the first. She then fell asleep beautifully in my arms.
Will checkout Cinese KTV tomorrow. Houjie is worth many repeat visits in the future. Big thanks for many bros who steered us to Houjie.
I am a newbie to this board. Thanks to all the members for fantastic info.
I was in CP for one night in Feb 07. Caught the CTS bus from Gongbei in Zhuhai at 5 Pm. It was not a comfy ride as I got stuck in the last row but not too bad. You get a bottle of water. I am sure there are better buses from other bus stops but this one leaves right from the mall infront of Gongbei customs so was very convenient.
I was happy to be let off in front of HuiMei hotel and walked up to Miraton and got a walk in rate of 320. By the time I walked up to Miraton I must have had atleast 3 cards from different Mommys.
Walked around for a bit and took a taxi to Yalan Hotel. Walked into reception area and really didnt know what to do. One of the girls in a suit, kind of figured out I was looking for a gal and took me to a shop infront of Yalan hotel. I saw about 7 or 8 gals and took mommy's recommendation.
I think the gal's name was Xiao Lin and was a very good experience. I actually think the she wanted to stay long time. I would have been very happy to keep her long time but wanted to try something else as I only had one night.
Went out had dinner and got sidetracked into watching all the fireworks(CNY) in the park next to Hui Mei. By that time it got late and I went back to Miraton to check out their Sauna. The manager was very courteous and explained the cost structure in English. Unfortunately I dont remember all the details. He had a line up of 4 girls and all of them were above 7. The manager gave me his card and asked me to call him ahead so I can get a discount. Anyway I excused myself saying I will be back the next day.
Stepped outside the hotel and a mommy attached herself to me and came back to my room and called up a gal despite me saying all I wanted was to go to sleep. Anyway the gal who showed up was pretty nice about 6.5 in looks and service. Definitely not long term material like the first one but I had no complaints.
Got up early in the morning and took the EE bus shuttle to HKIA.
Hope it is not too boring to read my 10 hours in CP.
I enjoyed it immensely and beats most of the places I have been to (all of SE Asia and lot of South and Central America) in terms of ease of use, friendly service and no BS. That is despite me having ZERO Mandarin.
Can any members comment on Golf courses and prices around CP. Are they easy to get to ?
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[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Jettsetter,
IMHO: Although she is a thief. I don't think it is very nice to post her photo in a public forum without her permission. Agree?
AG[/QUOTE]Disagree. I would normally not post any pics in a public forum, but how am I going to warn my fellow bretheren of this potential thief? Nice or not, it's a moot point now. This was my only bad experience in China after going for about 4 years.
Did I also tell you I actually confronted her again a few days later with her mommie's help, giving her an opportunity no questions asked to hand over the phone in exchange of additional money. Sort of a "okay you got me, the phone is no good to you, so for your cunningness, here's a few hundred RMB. " And she refused. I could've easily done more than try to reason with her, but I didn't want to cause any hassle/problems.
Either way, it's forgotten, I got my warning out there.
Peace,
Jettsetter
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]We decided to drink up then go. All top managers showed for tips when we got ready to leave. My girl told me the mamasans take 20% of all her earnings. I only tipped the 2 mamasan 100Y each, did not tip the manager. He should learn about the Big Golden Parachute trick from the stupid corporate assholes in America.[/QUOTE]Bros,
Let me pose a question out there, because this is something I just don't know or didn't do. Do you guys tip the mamasans separately? I personally never have and still get great personal attention from them. I'll call the ones I like to book rooms, which I what I think they're primarily after. However, in terms of direct tips of money, I've never seen this to be something they were after. I also, if the mama is someone I know, I'll pick one of their girls who weren't selected just to hang out with us and drink. I'm sure the mama gets a cut of that, and the girl gets some business, despite the fact that I wouldn't even want to touch the girl on a normal basis. (as such, that's pretty much the only thing I'd do to "tip" them if they gave us lots of attention)
Of course it can be different in Houjie at the Sheraton, but what are your opinions on this topic?
I don't agree. I am greatful to Jetsetter. People who steal from us shouldn't be entitled to normal ethics.
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Jettsetter,
Great report! Too bad I haven't enough that day to show you around CP.
But!
IMHO: Although she is a thief. I don't think it is very nice to post her photo in a public forum without her permission. Agree?
AG[/QUOTE]
Went to the Jiayie KTV at about 9PM, way too far out in a seedy area.
The place had about 1 dozen girls hanging around, nothing attractive. Thr Jiayie has a small stage with about 10 tables, no show was going. It costs 38Y min per head to hang around there. Fuck it. We decided to go back to the Huimei.
The Huimei has a big stage, costing only 30Y per table min. The show was going on all night. Mamasan called out the girls, 2 dozens swarmed over our table. My friends were appropriately overwhelmed. 4 people were Hanging around drinking and playing all night and the bill was only 120Y. Had a lot of fun.
The KTV girl looked really good in her party dress, with large round boobies and a small lanky body. Decided to take her back to the hotel for ST. When stripped, she had used one of the largest push-up bra in Asia, and her boobies were free falling without the massive support structure! Her body did not look that good either. The worst thing was her stinking pussy. It smelled so bad that I was completely turned off. Basically trying to come quickly then got rid of her. She was acting up demanding a big tip. Had to get rid of her quickly so the room would not smell so bad.
The other bros agreed that the girl I took from Yalan hotel was a much better girl in every aspect. My confidence in the CP KTV is now appropriately very low.
[QUOTE=One Wing Low] The worst thing was her stinking pussy. It smelled so bad that I was completely turned off. Basically trying to come quickly then got rid of her. She was acting up demanding a big tip. Had to get rid of her quickly so the room would not smell so bad..[/QUOTE]
Brother OWL.
My M.O. is usually have them shower before doing the deed. If their pussy still stink or a bit oily(discharge) I usually tell them to blow me and then i kick them out of the room. Stinky pussy on a young gal is a definite sign of trouble...
btw... i had a great time at Jia Yi KTV .... when i was there they had better than a 400+ girl lineup . ahh...i love it when the mommy are trying to sell their inventories...
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]Left CP, called Sali the driver to go to Dongguan. He agreed to 150Y from the Hui Hua hotel. Dongguan/Houjie is a large factory town. Nothing much interesting. Stayed at the Shanhu, 4-star hotel, for less than US$50 a night, about 1/3 miles from the Sheraton which costs US$120 , same owner, a Chinese guy owned both.[/QUOTE]
Sheraton should be 580RMB a night. Cinese, if you go there, should be 408RMB per night.
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]Left CP, called Sali the driver to go to Dongguan. He agreed to 150Y from the Hui Hua hotel. Dongguan/Houjie is a large factory town. Nothing much interesting. Stayed at the Shanhu, 4-star hotel, for less than US$50 a night, about 1/3 miles from the Sheraton which costs US$120 , same owner, a Chinese guy owned both.
Had to sleep due to time zone difference. Took a super effort to get up at 7PM to go to Sheraton KTV. The mamasan met us at the huge lobby. A Chinese guest translated for us. The minimum charge for the smallest room is 680Y, sitting fee 300Y, ST 800Y, LT 1000Y. I told her prices are way too high, and I want to look at the line up first.
Was taken downstairs to a small karaoke room. The mamasan said special deal for 390Y min, but any drink order would offset the 390Y. Ordered 12 beers, got 12 free for 600Y. Not bad.
The mamasan brought in a young girl who speaks fairly good English to translate. She has that classic pretty face, tall , slim and elegant. She explained the deal in details.... Sheraton 5-star hotel, no hidden charges, no lies etc... I immediately decided she would stay with me.
We asked for a lineup for my friend. The first 10 girls had many pretty ones, but one tall, slim girls had that pretty face worthy of a movie actress. Unbeknownst to each other, all 3 of us had voted for that little 20 YO girl. She's a friend of my girl. We started drinking and singing. Hired a pretty young girl to work the machine for 200Y. She was also drinking the beer heavily.[/QUOTE]Just some questions from the regulars for us newbies:
I am staying at Winnerway Hotel and the address says Dongguan. Is it far from the Sheraton? How much time and how much for a taxi?
I am basically going alone. So do you recommend me taking karaoke room? I definitely cannot have 12 beers alone. Though what I do want is some beer and a classy GFE girl. Will I have to take her back to Dongguan for a ST or are there options to stay and blow there (or somewhere near)?
Do I have to hire someone to work the machine too? My total budget is around 1500Y, so what is the best way to utilize this in the Sheraton?
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]Occasionally the young mamasans and business managers dropped in to talk and drink with us. The 24 beers last a long time. Told the managers to hire a teacher and give English lessons to the young girls. They would learn quickly. Would improve guests' satisfaction tremenduously as well as earnings and tips for the girls etc... all agreed.[/QUOTE]Do you have to tip these people too? My budget of 1200-1500Y would go out of the door if this happens.
Jettsetter I really appreciate you explaining the scene in your reply. Thanks to the others that replied as well. I am familiar with several of the names (Bill Lee for example) from other forums. Its good to see you guys over here.
I'm not going to CP for a while but it after reading this forum, CP is near the top of my list now. Seems like CP is like Asia used to be years ago.
And thanks to all for not telling me to RTFF (which I did btw).
Just a quick hello to everyone Ive met. Im the other ZMT local about.
I know everyones got their favorites, KTV isnt for everyone. But if you do decide to go, get there early. By 9, all you will see is left overs, sometimes a truly sorry bunch. Also always ask for discounts, if you book a room ask for comps. The midlevel guys can usually comp 15% of what you spend. The higher managers can do better. They are also allowed to knock off another 15% or so off the bill. If you dont want to bring a girl home for whatever the reason, ask for free room. Even if they cant get you one, you can usually get a discount of some sort. JiaYi readily gives out suana room coupons which i find great hangover cures the following afternoon.
If someone really smells tell someone(them or their mommies). Sometimes its just an yeast infection whcih can be treated, but regardless, your helping them and everyone else. I stopped BBSing because of the smell, but after seeing Yalan ive changed my mind.
I dont think its customary to tip mommies even if you just sit in the common areas. The assistant mommies shouldnt be paid unless they havent left your side all night and/or you take them out.
I want to thank laowai for the maps as well as the good resturant recommendation the other night.
Hey Jett remember that girl I took out? Just goes to show you they all lie, just some of them are better liars then others.
Checked into the Miraton with the OAH/ISG rate. Since it was Tuesday, I thought I didn't need to book a room but I was wrong. They only had the "executive floor" room. The scam is that they have a computer in there and they charge you an extra 70rmb. Well, beggers can't be choosers.
Already did Virgin and Miraton sauna, Yalan, and behind Huimei. I think I'll skip Virgin from now on. Miraton has hotter girls and better hardware. There's also a small crackdown on DVD's...wats up with that?
I'm sure there are a lot of maps on CP already but here's one that I like a lot. It's all in traditional Chinese though:
[url]http://www.bauhinia.com.hk/images/entertainment1.jpg[/url]
Was reading the Chinese version of ISG and they were talking about BBBJ foot massage places (see #31 and #51) on that map. I went into #31 but didn't get anything but a bad footie. Anybody ever tried this?
cap iota
hi Moody,
I went through a few booking sites, Sheraton's rates were all US$110 and up.
AG confirmed this.
DId not check the Cinese, location just too far frommain part of town.
Houjie may well be a very competitive place for mongers.
[QUOTE=Moody]Sheraton should be 580RMB a night. Cinese, if you go there, should be 408RMB per night.[/QUOTE]
At the Sheraton, The girls have to split roughly 20% of all their bookings to the mamasans. Out of the 300Y sitting fee they have to give the mamasan 30Y, 120Y for ST and LT takes.
They also have to pay the KTV management 2500Y per month, about twice what it costs to rent a local apartment, to work there. Then there are numerous fines and penalties if the girls violate rules...If they fail to bring back at least 2 repeat customers a month, their management fee go up...
Needless to say the girls are pissed off at the mamasans for skimming 20% off their earning, but at the same time seem very fearful. They suggested that we tip the mamasan 100Y rather than the 200Y expected. If the girl did not suggest the tip, I would never have tipped these lowly leeches anything.
The mamasan was quite reasonable, reducing the room min from 680Y down to 390Y. Of course we spent a lot more than that on tips etc...
The plus side is my very worldy friend never met a prettier girl than this young, tall, lanky, classy super model with a very pretty and innocent face. He kept saying to me he fell in love with her.
We went out to lunch, dinner, shopping etc... with these girls. She acted like a loving GF, taking good care of him in very loving ways, and epxressed that she wished to visit him in America...
My girl is even prettier with good English skills, but I cannot let these ST relationship become to serious. We had passionate sex a few times last night and 2 this morning. She's inexperienced but could not have enough sex.
I want to check out CInese KTV tonight, but my love-bitten friend insists we take these girls out to dinner, clubbing etc...I am seriously fucked.
[QUOTE=Jettsetter]Bros,
Let me pose a question out there, because this is something I just don't know or didn't do. Do you guys tip the mamasans separately? I personally never have and still get great personal attention from them. I'll call the ones I like to book rooms, which I what I think they're primarily after. However, in terms of direct tips of money, I've never seen this to be something they were after. I also, if the mama is someone I know, I'll pick one of their girls who weren't selected just to hang out with us and drink. I'm sure the mama gets a cut of that, and the girl gets some business, despite the fact that I wouldn't even want to touch the girl on a normal basis. (as such, that's pretty much the only thing I'd do to "tip" them if they gave us lots of attention)
Of course it can be different in Houjie at the Sheraton, but what are your opinions on this topic?[/QUOTE]
I now agree with members of the board in not posting pics of the girls without their permission. But when are we ever going to get consent here? I miss the days of the Cronin pics or even pics with a girl's face.
My only thought on pics is that it could ruin a girl's life back in her hometown. But what are the chance of that? Maybe 1% but that 1% is enough for me to not put a pic up. These working girls whom some I have fell in love with (according to AG, Santa, OAH, LW123 - what do they know about love? hehehe) deserves some anonymity. The same protection we would want from someone posting our pic on their board.
Parallel universe: Working girl board with BFE talk. WOW. Pics of johns.
My only suggestion is to put the pic up for a week and then replaced with a blocked face shot. So the image is not archived. Sorry. I love stories of members' deeds but I like a pic to go with that story.
Sorry AG, you're right on many issues but this one needs to be ID for all to see - hot pic too. So we don't get fucked twice by her. Girls name are unreal and can easily be changed.
Bill
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Jettsetter,
But!
IMHO: Although she is a thief. I don't think it is very nice to post her photo in a public forum without her permission. Agree?
AG[/QUOTE]
You deserved a reply. I browsed through your past posts and they were quite informative.
Beside you asked an opinion, not so much of a dumb question that deserves a RTFF reply.
Looking forward to your report of CP. That's how you pay us back.
Bill
[QUOTE=Allover]Jettsetter I really appreciate you explaining the scene in your reply. Thanks to the others that replied as well. I am familiar with several of the names (Bill Lee for example) from other forums. Its good to see you guys over here.
I'm not going to CP for a while but it after reading this forum, CP is near the top of my list now. Seems like CP is like Asia used to be years ago.
And thanks to all for not telling me to RTFF (which I did btw).[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]hi Moody,
I went through a few booking sites, Sheraton's rates were all US$110 and up.
AG confirmed this.
DId not check the Cinese, location just too far frommain part of town.
Houjie may well be a very competitive place for mongers.[/QUOTE]
With the exception of Hoeman, I've probably been to the west side of Dongguan more than anybody else in the forum. If you read my past reports, you'll see dozens of posts about Houjie, Humen, DG City, and even Hongmei going back at least 3-4 years. As for where I got those rates, I have friends who have business on the west side and those are the prices I see on the key card packet when they get the rooms for me.
As for Cinese being far, it's only a 10 minute cab ride from the Sheraton, and Cinese has the best breakfast buffet around in my opinion.
[QUOTE=Jettsetter]Bros,
Let me pose a question out there, because this is something I just don't know or didn't do. Do you guys tip the mamasans separately? I personally never have and still get great personal attention from them. I'll call the ones I like to book rooms, which I what I think they're primarily after. However, in terms of direct tips of money, I've never seen this to be something they were after. I also, if the mama is someone I know, I'll pick one of their girls who weren't selected just to hang out with us and drink. I'm sure the mama gets a cut of that, and the girl gets some business, despite the fact that I wouldn't even want to touch the girl on a normal basis. (as such, that's pretty much the only thing I'd do to "tip" them if they gave us lots of attention)
Of course it can be different in Houjie at the Sheraton, but what are your opinions on this topic?[/QUOTE]
It all depends on the place. At some places, tipping the mamasan is expected, at others, it's not. The girls will tell you when the bill comes. AFAIK, none of the places in CP expect you to tip the mamasan. In Shenzhen, at most of the better places, it's expected. At Sheraton and Cinese, both in Houjie, it's also expected.
[QUOTE=Cap Iota]They only had the "executive floor" room. The scam is that they have a computer in there and they charge you an extra 70rmb. Well, beggers can't be choosers.
[/QUOTE]
CI.,
Hotels do that all the time and you could have exactly the same room on a higher floor (with no computer) and pay more too.
After all, some guests do want the "puter" and are willing to pay for it. These machines do depreciate quickly enough even if they are underutilized.
Its not fair to call it a scam, just the way hotels differentiate their guests, facilities and rates they charge.
Surely, you have been on a flight and noticed that the seats in each class are mostly the same but, some pay more and some pay less.
C.
[QUOTE=Jettsetter]Let me pose a question out there, because this is something I just don't know or didn't do. Do you guys tip the mamasans separately?[/QUOTE]
BBS: I only tip the mamma's if I bang 'em, otherwise, I am just nice to them and buy them a cola or take some chocolates with me when I roll out there.
KTV: Usually invite them to drink and play liars dice with us. Making them feel welcome and appreciated goes a long ways.
I even have certain mamma's I call now and then just to say hi and chat a little....
I will be in CP Saturday with a few others if anyone is interested in joining us. Looks like just a one or two nighter and KTV is on the menu.
-SZE
I stayed there one night a couple of months ago and paid 565 net. Pricey compared with other options in town but the rooms are very nice.
OAH
[QUOTE=Moody]With the exception of Hoeman, I've probably been to the west side of Dongguan more than anybody else in the forum. If you read my past reports, you'll see dozens of posts about Houjie, Humen, DG City, and even Hongmei going back at least 3-4 years. As for where I got those rates, I have friends who have business on the west side and those are the prices I see on the key card packet when they get the rooms for me.
As for Cinese being far, it's only a 10 minute cab ride from the Sheraton, and Cinese has the best breakfast buffet around in my opinion.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Moody]Sheraton should be 580RMB a night. Cinese, if you go there, should be 408RMB per night.[/QUOTE]
to OWL
If you know the manager of the cinese ktv you get a discount as much as 50 % off the rack rate .I paid around 500 rmb a yr ago for a deluxe room but I think sheraton have better room , I also stay at shahu before their is nice but cinese ktv and sauna have more and better girls , but if you show up at cinese and ask for a room for under 500 rmb you should get it they always have room .
fast eddie 48
Allover,
The only worthwile sites in CP involve pussy. Most of the mamas can speak enough English to make a deal. "Good serviceeeee", "Pink color", "Pay 100 RMB". The KTVs and saunas will generally have a few girls that have basic English skills.
Happy Hunting!
OAH
[QUOTE=Allover]After reading this forum I am interested in visiting CP. My question is should I even bother visiting Dongquan? I'll only have three nights and this is strictly a mongering trip. Everything I read here leads me to think Dongquan doesn't offer a mongering tourist nearly as much action as CP.
I also wanted to ask if it would be very difficult to see the sites of CP without knowing the local language. I'm been to Beijing, Shanghai, and HK but I realize CP is more challenging.
Thanks for any replies.[/QUOTE]
Figure I'd chime in for a quick hello to everyone I met in CP. Just lost a longer verison of this, but in short:
Try and show up early in KTV, by 9 theres just left overs.
Ask for discounts, its standard to comp 15% of expenses at most KTV, the higher ups can comp and discount even more; JaiYi readily gives out sauna coupons (good hangover cure).
The pickings in Yalan are really darn good value for the money. It was an eye openner for me.
I want to thank Laowai for the maps as well as the resturant recommendation that night. I enjoyed the spicy food.
Hey Jett, remember that girl I took out that you know from before. They all lie, some just lie better then others.
If you're worried about theft, get a cheapie room from a lower quality hotel. Most of them arent horrible for 200rmbish. I really hate taking people back to my place for this very reason of having to watch my phone/wallet/anything not nailed down.
I never tip the mommies at Ktv. Doesnt make much sense since they already take a cut. But if one of the assitants sit all night, I tip. Maybe different rules if you sit in the da ting vs the rooms.
Wonder how many of those rural homes out there are built by working gals. Seems everyone is spending 15k to build rural castles.
[QUOTE=Jettsetter]Disagree. I would normally not post any pics in a public forum, but how am I going to warn my fellow bretheren of this potential thief? Nice or not, it's a moot point now. This was my only bad experience in China after going for about 4 years.
Peace,
Jettsetter[/QUOTE]Well guys, although I only agree on the part that brother have to be warn of such thief but I still don't agree with posting photo of the girl.
I take a different approach on this; although she is a thief, she stole your phone, how much it cost? 5000RMB? that does not entitle you to destroy her life does it? Putting up her nude photo on the web not only tells the whole world she is a thief, it also tells the whole world that she is a prostitude, also tells the whole world including her family, her mum her dad, her sisters her brother her relative what she do for a living. IMHO: this is worst than a death sentence.
Ok let say it in another way; what if you are one of those caught in the Shenzhen clean up last year and your photo is posted on the web?
IMHO: Yes you might angry over the fact she sold your phone, but I don't think it hurt you that much to justify for giving her a death sentence. Besides as you said she is a potential thief, she sold your phone, may be she really is in need for the money? or May be your phone is the top of the line phone which make it too tempting for her to resist? Remember my posting a while back which started the debate about girls noticing the phone you use? But that also doesn't means that she will 100% do that again? A thief today may not be a thief tomorrow.
Always spare a thoughts for others regardless of whether they are thieves, robbers, beggers etc etc. They are still human.
Or may be I just love pussies too much?
AG
I will be staying at the Miraton hotel for 3 days at the end of April and would like some ides on getting up to Shanghai from CP.
KK
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]At the Sheraton, The girls have to split roughly 20% of all their bookings to the mamasans. Out of the 300Y sitting fee they have to give the mamasan 30Y, 120Y for ST and LT takes.
They also have to pay the KTV management 2500Y per month, about twice what it costs to rent a local apartment, to work there. Then there are numerous fines and penalties if the girls violate rules...If they fail to bring back at least 2 repeat customers a month, their management fee go up...
.[/QUOTE]
OWL
I was told that there is a hefty fee when they start there work at the ktv. a few years back the gal at amazon told me something like a $10-15K fee at the get go. She told me that amazon allow them to pay it off in several installments with interest of course. She told me that the popular ones chgs more and less at the second rate ones. I confirm this later with another gal when i went back there.
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]I stayed there one night a couple of months ago and paid 565 net. Pricey compared with other options in town but the rooms are very nice.
OAH[/QUOTE]
Come to think of it, it was probably 560 I saw on the key card package. I have a poor memory for how much stuff costs when I don't pay for it. ;) Best deal on the west side is probably Lungchuen International. We used to pay 320 a night there and every now and then, when they ran out of standard rooms, we would get upgraded to suites for the same price. A friend of mine used to live there about 6 months out of the year, in addition to guests every week, so he got their best price along with a bunch of other discounts including KTV, sauna, haircuts, massage, food, etc., etc. Cuz of him and a few other friends, and some friends of friends, I pretty much stayed at every decent place on the west side.
I gotta admit though, all this talk about the west side has me itching to go there. Think I've been spending wayyyyy too much time in CP, maybe it's time to make the rounds at Houjie and Humen again. I've always enjoyed the Sheraton KTV, probably the best KTV in all of Dongguan. The Italian restaurant they have there is pretty good too.
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]to OWL
If you know the manager of the cinese ktv you get a discount as much as 50 % off the rack rate .I paid around 500 rmb a yr ago for a deluxe room but I think sheraton have better room , I also stay at shahu before their is nice but cinese ktv and sauna have more and better girls , but if you show up at cinese and ask for a room for under 500 rmb you should get it they always have room.
Fast eddie 48[/QUOTE]The KTV manager should be able to get you the 408 rate for standard room. A friend of mine called one up last year and she arranged it for him.
I'm a relative newbie (been playing around elsewhere Asia). Have been to CP with friends from HK a couple of times. And they've always led and I just tagged along. Had good fun. Planning to head to CP maybe around May...one area that get mentioned frequently is the "catacombs". Can anyone tell me what and where exactly is the catacombs? Is it near the Hui Mei area, Yalan, or elsewhere further?
Thanks in advance for the info, guys.
Cheers. and Happy hunting.
Beers are 50Y each. Buy 12 get 12 free. 600Y for 24 beers. You can hand out the beers as tips. It seems that everyone from the managers, mamasans ....down to the waiters/ushers all want to drop in and have drinks with you.
You dont have to hire the karaoke machine girl. Your girl can work the Remote control.
The 600Y offsets the min room charge. 300Y sitting fee for your girl. The remaining 600Y is up to you how you wanna divide it up in tips. Or you can take your girl ST for 300+500Y and have 100Y for taxi and no tip. It's a large sum of money in China's standard as the average factory wage is about 1000Y a month, was 600Y just 2 years ago.
Taxi from Dongguan to Houjie will probably cost 50Y.
Houjie does have some exquisite beauties. Even the door girls at the Shanhu hotel are tall, lanky and pretty.
[QUOTE=FoxySimone]Just some questions from the regulars for us newbies:
I am staying at Winnerway Hotel and the address says Dongguan. Is it far from the Sheraton? How much time and how much for a taxi?
I am basically going alone. So do you recommend me taking karaoke room? I definitely cannot have 12 beers alone. Though what I do want is some beer and a classy GFE girl. Will I have to take her back to Dongguan for a ST or are there options to stay and blow there (or somewhere near)?
Do I have to hire someone to work the machine too? My total budget is around 1500Y, so what is the best way to utilize this in the Sheraton?
Do you have to tip these people too? My budget of 1200-1500Y would go out of the door if this happens.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]I want to check out CInese KTV tonight, but my love-bitten friend insists we take these girls out to dinner, clubbing etc...I am seriously fucked.[/QUOTE]I've gotten caught in the repeater world, but unless you're there alot, it's not worth it to just keep going after a repeater unless that's what you're looking for IMHO. If you do a repeater, kick them out during the day and get some BBS/Yalan/Swan Lake action.
My last day there, I did a double "Swan Fei", from a few gals from Swan Lake.. it was pretty nice/awesome... the switching of the cover during the session made it a bit awkward, the girls were sweet and one especially was really into it... not sure if this is normal for them, but she was getting wet and really into it and I hadn't even fucked her yet!
Repeaters are cool because you know what you are getting, but variety is the spice of life!
Jettsetter
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]I now agree with members of the board in not posting pics of the girls without their permission. But when are we ever going to get consent here? I miss the days of the Cronin pics or even pics with a girl's face.
My only thought on pics is that it could ruin a girl's life back in her hometown. But what are the chance of that? Maybe 1% but that 1% is enough for me to not put a pic up. These working girls whom some I have fell in love with (according to AG, Santa, OAH, LW123 - what do they know about love? hehehe) deserves some anonymity. The same protection we would want from someone posting our pic on their board.
Parallel universe: Working girl board with BFE talk. WOW. Pics of johns.
My only suggestion is to put the pic up for a week and then replaced with a blocked face shot. So the image is not archived. Sorry. I love stories of members' deeds but I like a pic to go with that story.
Sorry AG, you're right on many issues but this one needs to be ID for all to see - hot pic too. So we don't get fucked twice by her. Girls name are unreal and can easily be changed.
Bill[/QUOTE]I don't mind taking it off eventually or after some time... But honestly, she was someone to watch out for. Even her Mommie wanted to "get her" so to speak. Can't really support her character in that sense.
Either way, if everyone wants me to, I'll take the pics off in a week or two. Doesn't matter to me.
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Well guys, although I only agree on the part that brother have to be warn of such thief but I still don't agree with posting photo of the girl.
I take a different approach on this; although she is a thief, she stole your phone, how much it cost? 5000RMB? that does not entitle you to destroy her life does it? Putting up her nude photo on the web not only tells the whole world she is a thief, it also tells the whole world that she is a prostitude, also tells the whole world including her family, her mum her dad, her sisters her brother her relative what she do for a living. IMHO: this is worst than a death sentence.
Ok let say it in another way; what if you are one of those caught in the Shenzhen clean up last year and your photo is posted on the web?
IMHO: Yes you might angry over the fact she sold your phone, but I don't think it hurt you that much to justify for giving her a death sentence. Besides as you said she is a potential thief, she sold your phone, may be she really is in need for the money? or May be your phone is the top of the line phone which make it too tempting for her to resist? Remember my posting a while back which started the debate about girls noticing the phone you use? But that also doesn't means that she will 100% do that again? A thief today may not be a thief tomorrow.
Always spare a thoughts for others regardless of whether they are thieves, robbers, beggers etc etc. They are still human.
Or may be I just love pussies too much?
AG[/QUOTE]I'll agree to disagree with you. A death sentence? That's a bit far stretched in my opinion. To make that leap, you'd have to assume lots of things which simply aren't true in China, such things as access to the internet, the ability to surf english websites such as this, to access this string of posts, to have that information disseminated to her "family" or social network from her hometown, and to look for this specific photo, amongst the millions of photos/websites in the internet.
Irrespective, I respect your opinion, but I'll proceed as I see fit. If the board had a policy against this, then let me know and I'll refrain. Until that time, I'm calling out a thief and warning my bretheren. If you want Jackson to cover up everything but her face, I'm fine with that too.
By the way, do you advocate the same position on all the photo galleries populating each section for each country on this site? I haven't seen your comments on the other boards. Maybe you have and have requested Jackson remove all the photos with faces or photos evidencing a compromising position.
Just wondering.
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Well guys, although I only agree on the part that brother have to be warn of such thief but I still don't agree with posting photo of the girl.
I take a different approach on this; although she is a thief, she stole your phone, how much it cost? 5000RMB? that does not entitle you to destroy her life does it? Putting up her nude photo on the web not only tells the whole world she is a thief, it also tells the whole world that she is a prostitude, also tells the whole world including her family, her mum her dad, her sisters her brother her relative what she do for a living. IMHO: this is worst than a death sentence.
Ok let say it in another way; what if you are one of those caught in the Shenzhen clean up last year and your photo is posted on the web?
IMHO: Yes you might angry over the fact she sold your phone, but I don't think it hurt you that much to justify for giving her a death sentence. Besides as you said she is a potential thief, she sold your phone, may be she really is in need for the money? or May be your phone is the top of the line phone which make it too tempting for her to resist? Remember my posting a while back which started the debate about girls noticing the phone you use? But that also doesn't means that she will 100% do that again? A thief today may not be a thief tomorrow.
Always spare a thoughts for others regardless of whether they are thieves, robbers, beggers etc etc. They are still human.
Or may be I just love pussies too much?
AG[/QUOTE]AG: Forget my last post. I submitted it without properly reviewing it. While I don't agree with you, I 'm not promoting the free posting of these gals wherever and whenever you want. I was doing this as my bit of response to her dishonest and immoral actions.
What I was pointing out is an action and reaction type of scenario. If people act accordingly, everything will be fine. When provoked, then there is going to be a consequence. Here, while have no intention of giving her a death sentence, I am here to warn others of her actions.
Forget the whole high horse argument about taking this position board-wide. I didn't mean for it to come out that way. Anyways, forget my last post, I don't want to start anything, not my intention. Just a difference of opinion.
Jettsetter
Hi, everyone --
I'm thinking about returning to ChangPing on April 24 and staying 3-4 weeks. I hear that the Canton Fair will be on when I arrive, and I have a couple of questions.
Is the fair going to result in an overflow of mongerers and a shortage of hotel rooms?
If so, when will the fair end?
Any info you can give me will be much appreciated.
RS
[QUOTE=Rising Son]Hi, everyone --
I'm thinking about returning to ChangPing on April 24 and staying 3-4 weeks. I hear that the Canton Fair will be on when I arrive, and I have a couple of questions.
Is the fair going to result in an overflow of mongerers and a shortage of hotel rooms?
If so, when will the fair end?
Any info you can give me will be much appreciated.
RS[/QUOTE]
The Canton Fair dates are April 15-20 and April 25-30. Hotel rooms will be tight throughout Guangzhou and Dongguan during that time so you should reserve your room as soon as you can. Also, expect prices to rise a bit at some hotels in Dongguan and a LOT at hotels in Guangzhou.
[QUOTE=Rising Son]Hi, everyone --
I'm thinking about returning to ChangPing on April 24 and staying 3-4 weeks. I hear that the Canton Fair will be on when I arrive, and I have a couple of questions.
Is the fair going to result in an overflow of mongerers and a shortage of hotel rooms?
If so, when will the fair end?
Any info you can give me will be much appreciated.
RS[/QUOTE]To rising son
I stay in Changping last oct for one week and take the train to the fair , I didn't see any overflow most people attended the fair stay in guangzhou area and most hotel didn't jack up the rate I was staying at hua yu for 120 rmb a night 3 star hotel behind hui mei , if you do that it is a good idea to buy the train ticket in advanced .
Fast eddie 48
I mongered with One Wing Low and his friend " rock star" in CP a few days ago. Both are nice guys and know how to treat people well including the ladies. I enjoyed mongering with them these past two days.
I introduced them to my favorite mamasan at the Yalan and her girls loved these guys. One Wing Low was quite a charmer and finally picked a very lovely girl who was very passionate with him all the time. She even looked better than most of the ladies we saw at the two KTVs we went to.
We went to the Hui Mei KTV and his friend picked a LT gal there.
We heard a lot about Jia Yi and went there to take a look. We didn't see anything real interesting, the stage was kind of small with maybe about 15 tables near the stage for sitting. We were looking for the famous flower street where they have hundreds of girls line up for you, but later, we found out that happens only between 6:30 pm to 7:00pm.
Will have to give it another visit next time.
mpfslover
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]The mamasan was quite reasonable, reducing the room min from 680Y down to 390Y. Of course we spent a lot more than that on tips etc...
The plus side is my very worldy friend never met a prettier girl than this young, tall, lanky, classy super model with a very pretty and innocent face. He kept saying to me he fell in love with her.
We went out to lunch, dinner, shopping etc... with these girls. She acted like a loving GF, taking good care of him in very loving ways, and epxressed that she wished to visit him in America...
My girl is even prettier with good English skills, but I cannot let these ST relationship become to serious. We had passionate sex a few times last night and 2 this morning. She's inexperienced but could not have enough sex.
I want to check out CInese KTV tonight, but my love-bitten friend insists we take these girls out to dinner, clubbing etc...I am seriously fucked.[/QUOTE]
Both Shenzhen and Guangzhou airports have flights to Shanghai. Shenzhen airport is much closer.
OAH
[QUOTE=Kit Karson]I will be staying at the Miraton hotel for 3 days at the end of April and would like some ides on getting up to Shanghai from CP.
KK[/QUOTE]
Hi FE,
Train from DG to GZ east station. How do you get to Pazhou from there? by Metro? Is it possible to buy the train ticket at the spot the same day and do you know, whether any DG hotel offer shuttle to Canton Fair?
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]to rising son
I stay in Changping last oct for one week and take the train to the fair , I didn't see any overflow most people attended the fair stay in guangzhou area and most hotel didn't jack up the rate I was staying at hua yu for 120 rmb a night 3 star hotel behind hui mei , if you do that it is a good idea to buy the train ticket in advanced .
Fast eddie 48[/QUOTE]
Has anyone heard of this hotel:
Winnerway hotel
Add.:No.1 Hongyuan Road, Nancheng District, Dongguan City, Guangdong, PRC (Post:523087)
Tel: (86769)22418888 Fax: (86769)22814630
[url]http://www.winnerway-hotel.com[/url]
english one is : [url]http://www.winnerway-hotel.com/e_index.asp[/url]
How far is this going to be from the action spots? how far from sheraton ktv if you guys know.
Thanks for all the help. much appreciated. BTW if anyone is close by from 10th-14th april, would love to hook up
His young mamasan is probably better looking than most local KTV girls.
Thanks to MPFS we found the BBQ reataurant a few doors from the Miraton front door. After 3 consecutive days of pure seafood due to lack of Chinese language skill, it was great to have a good varieaty of pork,duck,beef, noodles, veggies etc... courtesies of MPFS.
It was great meeting MPFS. WIshed you had time to go with us to Houjie and ZH.
Let us know the mongering scenes in Singapore and the surrounding areas.
[QUOTE=MpfsLover]I mongered with One Wing Low and his friend " rock star" in CP a few days ago. Both are nice guys and know how to treat people well including the ladies. I enjoyed mongering with them these past two days.
I introduced them to my favorite mamasan at the Yalan and her girls loved these guys. One Wing Low was quite a charmer and finally picked a very lovely girl who was very passionate with him all the time. She even looked better than most of the ladies we saw at the two KTVs we went to.
mpfslover[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=FoxySimone]Has anyone heard of this hotel:
Winnerway hotel
Add.:No.1 Hongyuan Road, Nancheng District, Dongguan City, Guangdong, PRC (Post:523087)
Tel: (86769)22418888 Fax: (86769)22814630
[url]http://www.winnerway-hotel.com[/url]
english one is : [url]http://www.winnerway-hotel.com/e_index.asp[/url]
How far is this going to be from the action spots? how far from sheraton ktv if you guys know.
Thanks for all the help. much appreciated. BTW if anyone is close by from 10th-14th april, would love to hook up[/QUOTE]
You're probably about 20 minutes away from the Sheraton and about 40 minutes away from CP. I'm not familiar with this hotel, but Dongguan City isn't that big. If you want to stay closer, the DG Exhibition International Hotel (Dongguan Huizhan Guoji Jiudian), should be about 5 minutes away, also has a very nice KTV.
It wasn't mentioned, but the Sheraton KTV has different tier girls. Besides the regular girls, they also have so called "model" girls who are more expensive.
You're on the wrong continent. Here's some info on the catacomb: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catacombs[/url]
OKAY. just kidding. Do the standard "search this thread" (upper right corner) in the DG board for "Catacomb." Duh?
Find Laowai123 excellent Google earth map of the CP, highlighting the Catacomb area which is across the street from the Miraton and entrance is near McDonald.
I wonder if we should ask Wikipedia to add CP's catacombs to their list? Hmmmmm
Bill
[QUOTE=Tonedog]I'm a relative newbie (been playing around elsewhere Asia). Have been to CP with friends from HK a couple of times. And they've always led and I just tagged along. Had good fun. Planning to head to CP maybe around May...one area that get mentioned frequently is the "catacombs". Can anyone tell me what and where exactly is the catacombs? Is it near the Hui Mei area, Yalan, or elsewhere further?
Thanks in advance for the info, guys.
Cheers. and Happy hunting.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Moody]
It wasn't mentioned, but the Sheraton KTV has different tier girls. Besides the regular girls, they also have so called "model" girls who are more expensive.[/QUOTE]
I was offered a few of these so-called "model" girls when I was last there. IMHO, they did not look any better than the standard line-ups.
Just my POV.
OAH
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]His young mamasan is probably better looking than most local KTV girls.
[/QUOTE]
This girl always asks me when MpfsLover is coming to CP. I agree she can be very cute and sweet and even speaks some English. BUT, she can be very, very cunning, as well. I've caught her misrepresenting the girls on several occassions and, just like the rest of the mamas, will tell you anything to make the deal. Buyers beware!
Just my POV.
OAH
Absolutely agrees. Buyers beware. She send me two girls the next day and one did not turn out as promised on the performance side. I sure let her know about that.
I think it is the survival instinct that they acquired with this business. It is sure very competitive out in Yalan with all the mamasan running around. Still she is cute and treats me well. I have a better hit record with her girl recommendation than with other mamas.
OAH ,we need to go back out there together to find more hunting grounds. You and I met this mama when we first went to Yalan years ago, and you were ichibahning all night...remember? hahaha.
cheers,
mpfslover
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]This girl always asks me when MpfsLover is coming to CP. I agree she can be very cute and sweet and even speaks some English. BUT, she can be very, very cunning, as well. I've caught her misrepresenting the girls on several occassions and, just like the rest of the mamas, will tell you anything to make the deal. Buyers beware!
Just my POV.
OAH[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Borisbumbum]Hi FE,
Train from DG to GZ east station. How do you get to Pazhou from there? by Metro? Is it possible to buy the train ticket at the spot the same day and do you know, whether any DG hotel offer shuttle to Canton Fair?[/QUOTE]
to boris
You can buy advanced ticket from hotel or train staion at changping ,you can take the free shuttle from liu hua to pazhou complex , I take the subway from pazhou fair complex to east trainstations have more train to changping and there are also a ticket booth inside the fair but the line is very long take me 45 min wait to get my ticket so get it in advanced , I am sure there are also shuttle to the fair but only the large 5 star hotel will offer that .
fast eddie 48
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]I was offered a few of these so-called "model" girls when I was last there. IMHO, they did not look any better than the standard line-ups.
Just my POV.
OAH[/QUOTE]
The only difference really is that the "model" girls are taller. I think you have to be at least 170cm to qualify as a "model" girl. It's the same deal at the sauna downstairs. If you ask for the "model" girls, the 600RMB or 800RMB ones, the only difference is that they're taller. There's no difference in service or looks.
[QUOTE=Moody]The only difference really is that the "model" girls are taller. I think you have to be at least 170cm to qualify as a "model" girl. It's the same deal at the sauna downstairs. If you ask for the "model" girls, the 600RMB or 800RMB ones, the only difference is that they're taller. There's no difference in service or looks.[/QUOTE]Oh yes they give difference in service!
My experience with model girls is they do not give better service than the normal ones. Whilst the normal girls, they know that they have lesser chance of been sold, they work harder to please you so that you will ask for them the next time.
AG
Two chinese business friends invited me to this hotel. One of them and me stayed also the night at this place.
Chinflux Mandarin is a very nice 4star hotel. I enjoyed the stay, the rate was for one night -business suite- 760 RMB. That is a special company rate.
We had a very good dinner with a gorgeous chinese red wine. Wow.
After that we went to the hotel ktv called VIVIclub. At the beginning the girls lined up, 10-12 each time. I choosed Fong Lin, who spoke a little bit english. She was cute, 1,60m and had short hair. My friend and mamasan choosed a second girl for me, her name was Yun Yun. She was really small, but with a strong feminine touch. My friend who lives in Gaobu choosed mamasan for himself, the other one voted for a caucasian type I hadn't seen before in Dongguan.
After some karaoke stuff, some beers, wine and chinese rice liquor we went to our rooms. My friend payed the room and gave me 800 RMB per girl (--> 1.600 RMB at all). Finally I gave me the hint: "If you are done, sent them away...." Thus I went with two cuties to my hotel room.
We three started a shower together, cleaning each other as best as we can. After that I went to bed with Fong Lin, Yun Yun took a bath. A long hot bath with a lot of foam.....
After some massage I gave Fong Lin we both went also to the bathroom an joined Yun Yun in the tube. It was really fun in a special way, more like kids, playing and kidding. After "loosing" most of the water both girls brought me to the bed and the sessions begun. We had together more than 4 hours action. Yun Yun left after that and and I payed her the 800 RMB. She said that this was a special rate for my friend and that this 800 RMB includes also the tip for her. I asked Fong Lin to stay with me until the morning. She agreed and we slept for some hours. In the morning we had a final session and ordered then a breakfast in the room. After that Fong Lin gave me her digits and left me with a big hug. I enjoyed her very much, it was a full GFE. We agreed to meet again while I'll come next time.
Then I left for HK.
I don't know in which way my friend is related to the hotel. But the introduction opened a special experience for me. When I went to ktv or a club I did it with friends and collegues as a standard guest, not more, not less.
Summary:
Chinflux Mandarin (ZhenXing Road, GaoBuTown, Dongguan City) is very good hotel with all facilities for business meetings. Also the restaurants play at the very reasonable level. The hotel is far away from the hot spots (which I know). The ktv is a high quality club with nice girls and professional mamasan who are also joining the party. And there is a special service for some guests.
I will come back again.
Whomer
Hi there.
First time writing on this site. Been reading the many interesting and informative material posted by all. Been to CP a few time with friends from HK. Can't say I know CP all that well. So. Can someone elaborate on what and where are the so called "Catacomb". Especially where, as to how to get there from the major landmarks around CP. Would like to check it out, as I'll be heading up to CP (I'm hoping) sometime in May.
Thanx in advance, guys.
Tonedog
Hey Bill Lee.
Thanx for the reply. Much appreciative. As it was my first time posting, and not sure the timing and the posting process of this site, I didn't see my original piece posted until now. I apologize for wasting space and redundancy by writing a 2nd piece to my request for info on the "catacombs".
Thanx again.
Tonedog
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]....go to Sheraton KTV. The mamasan met us at the huge lobby. A Chinese guest translated for us. The minimum charge for the smallest room is 680Y, sitting fee 300Y, ST 800Y, LT 1000Y. I told her prices are way too high, and I want to look at the line up first.
Was taken upstairs. The 2 dozen hostesses at the door were all tall, pretty and elegant. About 30 VERY PRETTY girls were lounging around in a living room. I was very impressed and decided to stay.
Was taken downstairs to a small karaoke room. The mamasan said special deal for 390Y min, but any drink order would offset the 390Y. Ordered 12 beers, got 12 free for 600Y. Not bad.
...Will checkout Cinese KTV tomorrow. Houjie is worth many repeat visits in the future. Big thanks for many bros who steered us to Houjie.[/QUOTE]I've read several of yr recent postings. I've been to the DG ktvs but mostly in CP such as Huimei, Jiayi, Amazon, HuiHua. Are the girls in Sheraton significantly better than those in the ktvs as I've mentioned? Does Sheraton has a hall like Huimei or Amazon? After so many visits to ktvs in CP, I think the girls in CP ktv are getting less pretty.
Hi Guys
Not sure if I am posting in the right place. Anyway, I will be in CP 4/6 to 4/9. I would love to participate in your party if anyone is doing it.
Thanks and have fun.
[QUOTE=Meimei69]I've read several of yr recent postings. I've been to the DG ktvs but mostly in CP such as Huimei, Jiayi, Amazon, HuiHua. Are the girls in Sheraton significantly better than those in the ktvs as I've mentioned? Does Sheraton has a hall like Huimei or Amazon? After so many visits to ktvs in CP, I think the girls in CP ktv are getting less pretty.[/QUOTE]
Beauty is very subjective and what might light your fire might not do it for somebody else. I personally think that on average, the girls at Sheraton are prettier than girls than most of the CP KTVs. A lot of it though, has to do with presentation. The Sheraton girls tend to dress more elegantly than the typical CP KTV girl. On average, I would say the girls are a bit taller too.
Thanks to Moody and Fast Eddie for their replies. Just to stay away from any sort of peak activity, I've changed my dates. Will now arrive on the 4th of May and stay through the 22nd. Will be at the Mitraton. Anyone who will be around is more than welcome to PM me, and we'll gang up. Had a GREAT time last visit with OAH, Santa, Laowai123, AG, Szexpat, and others.
Hope to see you there.
RS
They are pretty, tall, classy. I did not have good experience with the KTV girls in CP. The 2 Sheraton girls that went with my friend and I are like dolls.
Their rates are 3 8 10 which are lightly higher than CP but they are well worth it.
The other alternatives are cruising Lien Hua Lu late at night, or go with the many mamasans to look for girls in the alleys around lien Hua Lu. There are many girls with model looks. Their rates are ST 200Y, LT 500Y.
In Macau, the shopping mall on the ground floor of the Lisboa casino has 2 dozens girls with super-model looks parading around and around accosting johns. Their rate is ST 800Y. They would take you up to their rooms in the Lisboa for the deed.
I took a girl from Hubei, tall, lanky with the prettiest face, the exact super-model type. She was friendly and fun. Her boobs were round, soft and erect. She has 2 dime-sized scars, at symmetrical spots on her lower abdomen. she told me it was surgeries. Looks like she had both ovaries removed. Very beautiful but expensive.
[QUOTE=Meimei69]I've read several of yr recent postings. I've been to the DG ktvs but mostly in CP such as Huimei, Jiayi, Amazon, HuiHua. Are the girls in Sheraton significantly better than those in the ktvs as I've mentioned? Does Sheraton has a hall like Huimei or Amazon? After so many visits to ktvs in CP, I think the girls in CP ktv are getting less pretty.[/QUOTE]
We spent 2 nights in Chang Ping, taking a few KTV and Yalan hotel girls. Disappointed by the poor quality of these girls in both looks and manners, my friend had sworn never to take another all nighter.
When we went to the Sheraton KTV, my friend was hooked by their girls. He took a tall, rail-thin girl all night. Her name is Ling Ling. She has a pretty, innocent face with the sweetest smile. She was smiling sweetly and innocently at everything and after each sentence she says. This girl has such beauty and class that It was a pleasure just sitting around watching her talk and smile, and watching her tall, slim, slinky frame shashaying around on high heels. She has a younger sister who is butt ugly, also working in the sheraton KTV. I dont see how she ever makes any money there.
My friend was so smitten with love for this girl that we ended up keeping both girls for 2 nights, taking them shopping, lunch, dinner, clubs...She told my girl that this guy loves her so much that she could ask him to pay at least 3000Y a day. She also told my girl to make me pick up the tabs everywhere we went, so her 'BF' doesn't have to spend money.
She was trying to save money for her BF everywhere we went. She took us to the restaurant across the street from the Sheraton, on the second floor. She was smiling sweetly, this is the cheapest restaurant...The service was sloppy but the food was the best we had in Houjie. A big dinner for 4 with all sorts of fancy food and beers costed us only 250Y. Most entrees were between 10-15Y. Highly recommended.
While talking and smiling sweetly, the 2 girls were exchanging a few barbs. Ling Ling told my girl her smile was ugly with her teeth. My girl responded that Ling Ling is just a bag full of bones... Ling ling told my girl that I would actually prefer to sleep with her. She wished my girl would just fuck off.
It was a romantic 2 days with these 2 girls. It was almost like hanging out with a sweet girlfriend, except the part when I had to give her money. But then all my GF's always had access to my money.
The pretty young girl I went out with was Shu Hue Lan. I will always remember her.
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]They are pretty, tall, classy. I did not have good experience with the KTV girls in CP. The 2 Sheraton girls that went with my friend and I are like dolls.
The other alternatives are cruising Lien Hua Lu late at night...In Macau, the shopping mall on the ground floor of the Lisboa casino has 2 dozens girls with super-model looks parading around and around accosting johns. Their rate is ST 800Y. They would take you up to their rooms in the Lisboa for the deed.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. I have tried ZH's LHL, Macao's Lisboa and Macao's ktvs. Tall, pretty and expensive but no GFE. Too commercialized. I'll try to make a trip to Sheraton. The girls from CP ktvs are but a string of disappointments. The quality in looks is lacking not to mention the service. Unfortunately my friends aren't experiencing the same let-downs in CP ktv.
[QUOTE=Meimei69]Thanks for the info. I have tried ZH's LHL, Macao's Lisboa and Macao's ktvs. Tall, pretty and expensive but no GFE. Too commercialized. I'll try to make a trip to Sheraton. The girls from CP ktvs are but a string of disappointments. The quality in looks is lacking not to mention the service. Unfortunately my friends aren't experiencing the same let-downs in CP ktv.[/QUOTE]
to mei mei 69 / owl
I think ktv girl is a hit and miss even they act like a GFE at the ktv by the time she is in the hotel room the attuide change , but I do think ktv in Dongguan area have better GFE than in Macau but quality is not as good ,Macau get the best talent form all over china .
I think girl at sheraton and cinese at houjie is better train by the manager there to take care of the customer they get many repeat customer mostly tawian and from hong kong big spender they want to keep them happy but it is also the attuide of the girl to learn.
fast eddie 48
A HK friend who frequents Dongguan told me the other day that there are some very intriguing cybercafes in Dongguan, where girls go naked or wear see-throughs. His wife was a few feet behind him at the moment we chatted, so he couldn't go into any details. But I figure these must be great places for us fella mongers to spend some time in, while posting onto this forum!
But the question is, where are they? How do they charge? And how do things in general? Anyone has any idea please share info. I am very curious and thought this should be a topic of common interests among many of us here.
Thanks
I was very happy with the beauty, charms and good manners of the Sheraton KTV girls. In our case, 2 out of 2 is 100%.
I forgot to mention that, SHu Hue Lan had mentioned in the introduction, that the Sheraton has many classes of girls, some charge as much as 3000Y per night.
We were so smitten by the 1000Y girls that we took them quickly without seeing the 3000Y line up. Too bad. Big spenders should take one for the team and report on the 3000Y girls.
Since there are many factories in Dongguan, sales people frequently take their customers to the Sheraton and procured the best girls for them. That's why a lot of the best girls were attracted to Houjie.
My girl would rather go with people who spend their own money vs. being sold by the salesmen...
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]to mei mei 69 / owl
I think ktv girl is a hit and miss even they act like a GFE at the ktv by the time she is in the hotel room the attuide change , but I do think ktv in Dongguan area have better GFE than in Macau but quality is not as good ,Macau get the best talent form all over china .
I think girl at sheraton and cinese at houjie is better train by the manager there to take care of the customer they get many repeat customer mostly tawian and from hong kong big spender they want to keep them happy but it is also the attuide of the girl to learn.
fast eddie 48[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Big Mao]A HK friend who frequents Dongguan told me the other day that there are some very intriguing cybercafes in Dongguan, where girls go naked or wear see-throughs. His wife was a few feet behind him at the moment we chatted, so he couldn't go into any details. But I figure these must be great places for us fella mongers to spend some time in, while posting onto this forum!
But the question is, where are they? How do they charge? And how do things in general? Anyone has any idea please share info. I am very curious and thought this should be a topic of common interests among many of us here.
Thanks[/QUOTE]Yes, I had even been to one where you get a BJ while you are typing away in the cafe.
For a dinner with the South China Gang; we'll tell you where it is.
AG
Thx. for your help. Changping train station is Dongguan, I suppose? Do the trains go late at night from GZ to DG and are they safe do use? What would a possible cab fare be from Pazhou to DG?
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]To boris
You can buy advanced ticket from hotel or train staion at changping ,you can take the free shuttle from Liu Hua to Pazhou complex , I take the subway from Pazhou fair complex to east trainstations have more train to changping and there are also a ticket booth inside the fair but the line is very long take me 45 min wait to get my ticket so get it in advanced , I am sure there are also shuttle to the fair but only the large 5 star hotel will offer that .
Fast eddie 48[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Big Mao]A HK friend who frequents Dongguan told me the other day that there are some very intriguing cybercafes in Dongguan, where girls go naked or wear see-throughs. His wife was a few feet behind him at the moment we chatted, so he couldn't go into any details. But I figure these must be great places for us fella mongers to spend some time in, while posting onto this forum!
But the question is, where are they? How do they charge? And how do things in general? Anyone has any idea please share info. I am very curious and thought this should be a topic of common interests among many of us here.
Thanks[/QUOTE]
I've never seen anything like this out there, but if you find out where it is please post it here!! Most internet cafes I've seen in CP are smoked filled joints full of 20 something boys playing video games....
Got into Baoan airport and took one of those freelancing transport at the airport. Paid 150 RMB to Luohu. Not sure if its the smartest thing. Then again it was a long day and it was raining. The driver was chatty and was telling me where to play. Said in CP, the best KTV would be HuiHwa and the best sauna would be Prince. In Houjie, the best KTV would be Sheraton and the best sauna would be a place that sound like Kang ( like the emperor Kangxi ) Di ( like the word for ground ) Was told that in Sheraton they grade the girls into A, B and so on. A being the highest grade. Then within A, they pick 10 of the hottest and they called them the 10 great beauties. Of course the price is going to be high, like 4000 RMB. Wondering if anyone ever tried them. I am tempted to go see this weekend but its hell of a boring to go KTV all alone.
Are there any brothers who may be going KTV in CP or Houjie this weekend?
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]...Sheraton has many classes of girls, some charge as much as 3000Y per night.[/QUOTE]I'm out of touch. Y3k girls! Tat's like Shanghai! I better bring my Amani outfit. Pls, can someone who have experienced this cat give a FR here.
Just received a phone call from a`Miraton staff telling me the date I have booked during the Canton Fair is no longer the $328 as agreed over the phone but $358 (Fri & Sat) Could the Frequent Stayer Mongers from ISG confirm this price hike?
I was a bit p..off with such short notice considering I have booked this weeks ago. $30 extra per night is a fair`bit considering I am staying there for 10 nights.
Annoyed DU96
My favourite budget hotel in CP is the Hua Yu Hotel. Exit the Lucky Hotel and turn right. Take the first small street on your right and walk straight ahead 100 meters. Nice clean rooms for only 130rmb. Saturday nights 150rmb.
"My friend told me 130rmb". "Wode pengyou jiao wo, yi bai san shi kuai".
I have been to all of the hotels in CP and know this is the best budget option. Don't know the phone number, maybe my friend Laowai123 can post it.
Admittedly that's unfair to you but it's only $3.87 U.S. dollar extra a night (based on 7.75 exchange rate) or $38.70 total for a ten day stay. Can't even get a decent bj for that. Unless you're OAH and in Panyu and use the change to spring for the extras.
BTW, could you not use "$" and use RMB instead? I hope you are paying 328RMB and not $328 U.S. dollars.
The Miraton is a very nice hotel to stay at.
Bill
[QUOTE=Downunder96]Just received a phone call from a`Miraton staff telling me the date I have booked during the Canton Fair is no longer the $328 as agreed over the phone but $358 (Fri & Sat) Could the Frequent Stayer Mongers from ISG confirm this price hike?
I was a bit p..off with such short notice considering I have booked this weeks ago. $30 extra per night is a fair`bit considering I am staying there for 10 nights.
Annoyed DU96[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]Admittedly that's unfair to you but it's only $3.87 U.S. dollar extra a night (based on 7.75 exchange rate) or $38.70 total for a ten day stay. Can't even get a decent bj for that. Unless you're OAH and in Panyu and use the change to spring for the extras.
BTW, could you not use "$" and use RMB instead? I hope you are paying 328RMB and not $328 U.S. dollars.
The Miraton is a very nice hotel to stay at.
Bill[/QUOTE]The rate must be in RMB per night according to the "going rate". I think you should suck it up and pay the 30RMB per night extra which will probably total 300RMB or ($36) for your entire stay. Seriously, I've been in CP where all the hotels and i mean ALL of them (where you'd want to stay) were booked. So while it's annoying, I don't think it's a bad deal.
[QUOTE=Santa]My favourite budget hotel in CP is the Hua Yu Hotel. Exit the Lucky Hotel and turn right. Take the first small street on your right and walk straight ahead 100 meters. Nice clean rooms for only 130rmb. Saturday nights 150rmb.
"My friend told me 130rmb". "Wode pengyou jiao wo, yi bai san shi kuai".
to santa
I get vip member rate 120 rmb and promotions stay 8 night get one night free
contact them for a free shuttle pick up from train stations , many mamasan outside the hotel and bring girl to your room don't even need to go out hunting in the alley.
0769-3501888 hua yu hotel [url]www.huayuhotel.com[/url]
fast eddie 48
does this hotel have internet access and if they do, do you know the dl and ul speed?
do they also rent computer in your room, if yes, how much per night?
how's the breakfast at this place compared with the miraton? not that the miraton's breakfast is all that great.
bill
[quote=fast eddie 48][quote=santa]my favourite budget hotel in cp is the hua yu hotel. exit the lucky hotel and turn right. take the first small street on your right and walk straight ahead 100 meters. nice clean rooms for only 130rmb. saturday nights 150rmb.
"my friend told me 130rmb". "wode pengyou jiao wo, yi bai san shi kuai".
to santa
i get vip member rate 120 rmb and promotions stay 8 night get one night free
contact them for a free shuttle pick up from train stations , many mamasan outside the hotel and bring girl to your room don't even need to go out hunting in the alley.
0769-3501888 hua yu hotel [url]www.huayuhotel.com[/url]
fast eddie 48[/quote]
[QUOTE=Regnom]In Houjie, the best KTV would be Sheraton and the best sauna would be a place that sound like Kang ( like the emperor Kangxi ) Di ( like the word for ground ) [/QUOTE]
Actually, the name of the place is Kande Club. It's located behind the Sheraton across from the McDonald's. I would agree with the fellow, I also think it's the best sauna in Houjie.
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]Admittedly that's unfair to you but it's only $3.87 U.S. dollar extra a night (based on 7.75 exchange rate) or $38.70 total for a ten day stay. Can't even get a decent bj for that. Unless you're OAH and in Panyu and use the change to spring for the extras.
BTW, could you not use "$" and use RMB instead? I hope you are paying 328RMB and not $328 U.S. dollars.
The Miraton is a very nice hotel to stay at.
Bill[/QUOTE]
I think he would pay the increased rate for only 2 days, the Saturday and Sunday. So the difference would be under 8USD.
[QUOTE=Borisbumbum]Thx. for your help. Changping train station is Dongguan, I suppose? Do the trains go late at night from GZ to DG and are they safe do use? What would a possible cab fare be from Pazhou to DG?[/QUOTE]
Trains stop running around 11PM and yes the Dongguan station is in Changping. As for cab fare, well, that's gonna depend a lot on two things. First is your negotiation skill, and 2nd is where you catch it. What you should do is take a cab to the Guangshen Expressway. Near there, there's usually a bunch of cabs waiting to go back to Dongguan and Shenzhen. You can usually catch those cabs for about 50-80RMB. If you just catch a regular cab back to CP, it'll probably cost over 200RMB.
I've been to the Sheraton KTV a few dozen times and I've probably taken "model" girls back about a dozen times. One of the girls was a real model for catalogs and print ads. I saw a 20 ft. picture of her somewhere in Humen. Anyway, those girls aren't 3000-4000. The going rate is 1500. One time I gave one girl 2000, but that was because I gave her extra for being a good sport.
You guys have to understand, a lot of times, KTV girls will tell you a lot of nonsense about how much other girls get to try and get you to give them more. Don't believe everything you hear from them.
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]
Big spenders like Fast Eddie and OAH should take one for the team and report on the 3000Y girls.
[/QUOTE]
OWL,
I don't know how to take this comment. Are you being facetious? Why would you refer to me with respect to 3,000 RMB KTV girls?
If I remember correctly, you are the one that throws your money away or gets ripped off repeatedly. I recall the 800 RMB tip you gave the 1,500 RMB KTV girl in SZ and the 500 RMB you paid for the LHL girl in ZH when Bill Lee specifically told you it was 200 RMB just before you took her.
IMHO, paying too much is just plain stupid, paying the market price is just good sense.
We (AG, Bill Lee, Johnnykon666, Santa) tried our best to help you; invited you into the gang, booked a hotel for you, showed you the ropes in ZH and even invited you to come along on our S. China roadtrip. Johnny shared his best talent with you and told her to let you take all the pics you wanted. All of this was thanks to yours truly.
Is this what I get in return? A cheap shot! Please correct me if I am wrong.
OAH
Hi OAH,
It's not a cheap shot. I refer to you because you and Fast Eddie seem to know a lot about the area, and you are there all the time. I went to Houjie out of your comment.
You can review the line up of the 3000Y girls without taking them, which we failed to do.
You have shared your knowledge and your time generously, and I always appreciate you.
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]OWL,
I don't know how to take this comment. Are you being facetious? Why would you refer to me with respect to 3,000 RMB KTV girls?
Is this what I get in return? A cheap shot! Please correct me if I am wrong.
OAH[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Downunder96]Just received a phone call from a`Miraton staff telling me the date I have booked during the Canton Fair is no longer the $328 as agreed over the phone but $358 (Fri & Sat) Could the Frequent Stayer Mongers from ISG confirm this price hike?
I was a bit p..off with such short notice considering I have booked this weeks ago. $30 extra per night is a fair`bit considering I am staying there for 10 nights.
Annoyed DU96[/QUOTE]
Current prices for run of the house is 300/330 RMB
Business/1 bedroom 528RMB
Executive 800RMB
Of course during the show time, they will add 15%
is 3 8 10.
There is no mention of specific time, but I think the girl is supposed to stay until 8AM. Anything passed that and the girls deserve compensation for overtime.
This girl Shu Hue Lan was translating her management's introduction to us, sentence by sentence. She mentioned the different classes of girls.
I had to take the English-speaking girl since I wanted to know more information, not just having sex with her. My friend was smitten in love with this rail-thin girl. So we never had a chance to see more line ups.
Anyone has seen the Sheraton's 3000Y lineup?
[QUOTE=Moody]I've been to the Sheraton KTV a few dozen times and I've probably taken "model" girls back about a dozen times. One of the girls was a real model for catalogs and print ads. I saw a 20 ft. picture of her somewhere in Humen. Anyway, those girls aren't 3000-4000. The going rate is 1500. One time I gave one girl 2000, but that was because I gave her extra for being a good sport.
You guys have to understand, a lot of times, KTV girls will tell you a lot of nonsense about how much other girls get to try and get you to give them more. Don't believe everything you hear from them.[/QUOTE]
Well, here we go again. April & October are the two worst months to be in S. China. The price of everything goes up, the girls get greedy and in a hurry, etc. There is a mass influx of swinging dicks with deep pockets and no brains spoiling the market and the ISG board is inundated with requests for information from newbies that very rarely ever post a report afterwards; ISG members in good standing excepted.
I guess I am on a roll today!
Just my POV.
OAH
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]Well, here we go again. April & October are the two worst months to be in S. China. The price of everything goes up, the girls get greedy and in a hurry, etc. There is a mass influx of swinging dicks with deep pockets and no brains spoiling the market and the ISG board is inundated with requests for information from newbies that very rarely ever post a report afterwards; ISG members in good standing excepted.
I guess I am on a roll today!
Just my POV.
OAH[/QUOTE]You won't believe what I just did. I brought my little GF in CP a return ticket from Shenzhen to Shanghai for her to visit me. Instead for visiting CP and bring a small part of CP to me and it is still cheaper! Considering that I have now to pay 358 per night and yet I cannot get a confirmation of the rooms; I rather pay 1400 for a return ticket for her to come up here. But wait! Am I missing something here? Oh. Yes. That means I only got one CP pussy to fXXk! Dam! Why did I make such a stupid mistake! OAH hit me hit me hit me with the CP foot bath sink!
AG
@ all
Miraton Sales Department informed me that corporate room rates will increase starting 2007/04/13.
E.g. Deluxe Single Room (our standard booked room, weekdays/weekends): 338/358 (incl. 2 BF, each CNY 35 plus taxes value)
Between 2007/04/15 and 2007/04/30 the weekend rate applies.
@ all complainers about higher room rates
There is a simple rule: "[b]When something you want to buy is too expensive from your POV, just don't buy it![/b]" It's simple...isn't it.
I already stated in another post what you can do to get corporate rates, just follow this hints or try them. But keep in mind that there are factors like fairs increasing every kind of service...inkl. rooms...and girls too.
As long you throw money after a gal, 150/200/500/600/800/1000/..., as long you are not in a position to complain...from my POV. Just try to get two BF vouchers from your LT gal...you will see what will happen. m2c
@ OAH
I agree with you concerning "[b]ISG members in good standing excepted.[/b]"
LW
my apology for not specifying currency $$ in rmb
have to admit miraton is a very nice hotel thus i stayed there for 8 days back in october last year & i'll not going to change my plan despite the price hike. the high speed broadband internet is the main reason!!. what annoys me is when you have booked this and the price "locked in" weeks in advance & in addition i have also booked 3 other rooms for friends thought they might take this into consideration for the discount.
ok enough of that.. will have to downgrade on ktv scene to bbs for one day :)
oah i am hoping we can meet up again & enjoy the hot & spicy sichuan food across the road!
by the way bill, as my username suggest im from downunder!! australia so i don't use usd $
cheers
du96
[quote=bill lee]admittedly that's unfair to you but it's only $3.87 u.s. dollar extra a night (based on 7.75 exchange rate) or $38.70 total for a ten day stay. can't even get a decent bj for that. unless you're oah and in panyu and use the change to spring for the extras.
btw, could you not use "$" and use rmb instead? i hope you are paying 328rmb and not $328 u.s. dollars.
the miraton is a very nice hotel to stay at.
bill[/quote]
[QUOTE=Laowai123]@ all
Miraton Sales Department informed me that corporate room rates will increase starting 2007/04/13.
E.g. Deluxe Single Room (our standard booked room, weekdays/weekends): 338/358 (incl. 2 BF, each CNY 35 plus taxes value)
Between 2007/04/15 and 2007/04/30 the weekend rate applies.
to laowai 123
What is this that Miraton jack up the rate right before the canton fair , I guess more and more people is staying in Dongguan area and take the train to the fair instead of paying the high price in guangzhou.
fast eddie 48
[quote=bill lee]does this hotel have internet access and if they do, do you know the dl and ul speed?
do they also rent computer in your room, if yes, how much per night?
how's the breakfast at this place compared with the miraton? not that the miraton's breakfast is all that great.
bill
[quote=fast eddie 48][/quote]
to bill lee
hua yu is a 3 star place nice clean room with in room safe , no sauna ,ktv nor resturant , there is a internet cafe next door but very slow and no access to isg but offer free chinese breakfast delivery to the room in the morning.
fast eddie 48
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48][QUOTE=Laowai123]@ all
Miraton Sales Department informed me that corporate room rates will increase starting 2007/04/13.
E.g. Deluxe Single Room (our standard booked room, weekdays/weekends): 338/358 (incl. 2 BF, each CNY 35 plus taxes value)
Between 2007/04/15 and 2007/04/30 the weekend rate applies.
to laowai 123
What is this that Miraton jack up the rate right before the canton fair , I guess more and more people is staying in Dongguan area and take the train to the fair instead of paying the high price in guangzhou.
fast eddie 48[/QUOTE]The increase in price from 298 to 338 is only an extra of 30 / day. However, a monger friend of mine said: "Yes, but if you stay in CP for 5 days, that's 5 X 30 = 150 that's an extra fxxk!"
My reply to him: "Yes but 150 = US$20, what's is that? 5 beers? If one can spend 150 to get one extra fxxk, why can't you just pay 30Rmb extra per day for a secure booking during the peak days of Canton fair and at the same time enjoy the Cunto Fair!" :D
AG
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]
to laowai 123
What is this that Miraton jack up the rate right before the canton fair , I guess more and more people is staying in Dongguan area and take the train to the fair instead of paying the high price in guangzhou.
fast eddie 48[/QUOTE]
Before and until 2007/04/13 the rate for this room is 298/328. A friend informed me that Miraton and Hui Hua will raise prices at the same time and not only during/because of Canton Fair. The reason is, that "biz" is good now and so one of the oldest biz/market rules applies: High demand -> high price, low demand -> low price.
If I remember right, there will be a new hotel across Century. CP already has a high hotel density but new hotels will raise up and this only because of this xxx-biz - from my POV. There is not such a big regular factory biz to feed all hotels in CP.
Concerning Canton Fair:
Insider already stay in DG during Canton Fair to avoid GZ and its raised prices during this time. Around 55 min railway trip away from GZ East Station (30 min from SZ) you can stay in nice good 4* hotels starting with 290 (4* national hotel, broadband, big bed, nice rooms, LCD TV, DVD Player on request and for free). Of course for people only in need of a bed there are also cheaper rooms available...with internet access too.
LW
MpfsLover talked to the cab driver with the Chinese name for the hotel. It's across the large boulevard from the Huihua, a few doors from the 24-hour McDonald's.
The rate is 45Y per hour. I had a masseuse with a very attractive figure. Her face was about average. This girl proceeded to exercise every muscles and every joints on my body, including my feet, in many different creative ways. She was working hard every minute. This was the most thorough and relaxing massage I ever had. Meanwhile we were kidding around with the girls, trying to learn Chinese from them. My girl was very talkative; the other quiet. I grabbed her long legs a few times. She resisted. It was fun.
We decided to extend to 2 hours. Near the end, my girl proposed that we take them out to eat after they finish their shift, which is around midnight, if they dont have to work overtime. I confirmed with gestures and my limited Chinese that both of them would go to dinner with us. She took my friend's mobile number since he could speak some Chinese.
We waited at the Huimei KTV stage passed midnight and they never called. I was falling asleep at the table so I took a taxi back to sleep with instruction for my friend to wake me up if they ever showed up. They never showed up or called.
I thought they were just a pair of innocent, hard-working girls needing a night on the town with 2 nice guys, so I did not want to stand them up. My friend thought they were pro's trying to make extra cash after their job, that there are no innocent girls working in hotels.
We kept debating this point. In the final consideration, the fact that my girl agreed for both of them to go out to dinner with us without consulting the other girl proved that they had prior agreement all along, and that they probably do it often.
So go for a very good massage, and find out whether there are freebies to be had at the Walter hotel.
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]is 3 8 10.
There is no mention of specific time, but I think the girl is supposed to stay until 8AM. Anything passed that and the girls deserve compensation for overtime.
This girl Shu Hue Lan was translating her management's introduction to us, sentence by sentence. She mentioned the different classes of girls.
I had to take the English-speaking girl since I wanted to know more information, not just having sex with her. My friend was smitten in love with this rail-thin girl. So we never had a chance to see more line ups.
Anyone has seen the Sheraton's 3000Y lineup?[/QUOTE]
3/8/10 is for the regular girls. 5/10/15 is for the model girls, although I think that if you give the model girls 300, they won't say anything. I did that one time with a couple of model girls and neither complained.
As for when the girls leave after LT, I usually send 'em away when I wake up, but a couple times, I had them hang out with me til the mid afternoon. I gave 'em the same amount and nobody's said anything. More than a few times, I've had to force the girl awake and tell them to go home so I can leave and do stuff. The people I go to KTV with tend to drink heavy, usually over 20 bottles of wine, or 7-8 bottles of whiskey for 4 guys and a half dozen girls. Sometimes, the girls overdo it.
and thought you were an Aussie. But sometime not using correct monetary symbols confuses the reader.
As you all know, us American owns the $$$ sign. Be warned.
Bill
[QUOTE=Downunder96]
By the way Bill, as my username suggest Im from downunder!! Australia so I don't use USD $
cheers
DU96[/QUOTE]
ok, so i got caught up in a girl named jia jia, the ktv mamasan that one wing low (owl) reported about. before i go into the drama, i'll give you all the short story. jia jia is a "xiao mommy" (assistant mamasan) at the ktv in the hui hua hotel. some of the xiao mommies will accompany customers to drink, and possibly go out (i.e., st, maybe even lt). some of them rarely go out and provide fs, and some do it more often. the rates for a xiao mommy may or may not be higher than the standard 2-5-8 rates, depending on the circumstances. going back to 12-18-06, we see that owl had jia jia for 600 (500 plus 100 bar fine). over the past couple weeks, i had jia jia twice (st 1000, then st 900) and another xiao mommy named xiao wang, also twice (st 500, then lt 800). jia jia is the prettier one (at least with makeup on) and xiao wang was more active in bed.
here's the long story (for those of you who like drama). about 2 weeks ago, i met up with oah, szexpat, and a few other mongers for a little tour of cp. it was my first time there. those guys left the next day, but with their help getting me familiarized, i was well on my way to finding all kinds of hidden treasure. i had maybe 3 girls from the take-out shops during my first two days, the best being a tallish shanghai girl with light brown hair, and nice-sized tits even though she was slender. but, all the while, i had owl's story about jia jia in the back of my mind. so, i went over to the hui hua to investigate. i pretended that i was checking the place out for friends who would show up the next week. they showed me a typical room, and at one point, a mommy gave me her card (this was xiao wang). then, when i got back out to the reception area, i asked about jia jia. i waited a few minutes, and then a staff member brought jia jia. so, what was i supposed to say, like, "i heard about a guy who did you, and i wanna do you too"? as owl described, she looked rather businesslike, and not too friendly. i just said i have a friend who knows her, but, not knowing owl's real name, i was unable to tell her who the friend was. she asked me what his phone number is, and i was unable to provide that. so here i am, looking like an idiot, not being able to clarify how i know her, or what i want. so, jia jia had the staff member give me jia jia's phone number, and then she went back to work.
when i got back to my hotel (the miraton, which is next door), i called jia jia and asked her if she wanted to meet after work. she said she gets off too late, i should try her the next afternoon. with nothing to do, i decided to call the other mommy, xiao wang, the one who gave me her card. i figured, who knows, maybe i'll have better luck with her. so, i called the number on the card, and told her i'm the foreigner she just met, and right away she asked if i wanted her to arrange a girl for me. just going with the flow, i said ok. what i didn't know was that the girl on the phone was not the same xiao wang who gave me the card, it was her older sister (who could also be called xiao wang, same family name -- so let's call the older one wang jiejie). then, three girls showed up at my room, but none of them was that hot looking, so i let them go. then i called the number again (thinking i'm talking to xiao wang) and wang jiejie was apologetic, saying they don't have enough girls at that time of night (around midnight) and told me she'd send over a xiao mommy (at this point i didn't know there were different levels of mommy). i started wondering if jia jia would show up. i waited at least 15 minutes and no one showed up. then, i was peeking through the peekhole in my door to see who was going by. then, i heard a doorbell, but it sounded like it was a few doors away. i thought maybe the girl went to the wrong room, so i went out to the hallway to look around. i didn't see anyone, and i noticed that the further i got from my door, the farther the doorbell sounded. then, i figured maybe the girl went to the room one floor down by mistake, so i went down a floor. there, i saw xiao wang (who i had thought i was talking with on the phone), and it seemed, to both of us, to be a coincidence that we'd see each other there. she said she had some work thing to do, and was walking around and talking on the phone. i told her that i'm waiting for a girl, and i guess she then confirmed on the phone that i'm the person she was supposed to meet. once we got to my room, she explained to me that she was not the person i spoke with on the phone, that was her older sister (wang jiejie). also, she said her sister had sent her to my hotel under the pretense that there was a xiaojie who got drunk and needed to be taken back. apparently, her older sister sort of tricked her into going to meet me. once we were both clear on what was going on, we proceeded to do st, and i was given the standard ktv girl rate of 500.
while i was with her, she explained the "xiao mommy" thing to me, and that some of them do customers, although some more than others. she said that she rarely does it, and i believe her due to her reactions, e.g., shy mannerisms. xiao wang is rather petite, with long curly hair, and seems a bit embarassed about having small breasts, trying to keep them covered up. in bed, she kind of squirmed and squealed, kind of with an innocent quality, not like a xiaojie at all. later, i asked her about jia jia, she said that jia jia is one of the xiao mommies who does customers more often.
the next afternoon, i called jia jia, and she said to try her again during work hours. so, around 9 pm, i called her again, and she came over. once she was in my room, she still wanted to know how i know her, and, not knowing owl personally, i couldn't describe him or anything. so i called johnnykon and had him talk to her, but she still wasn't satisfied. anyway, we got past that issue and on to the negotiation. she wanted 1000y. that's more than i had expected to pay, but i wasn't about to blow the deal by trying to haggle, so i just agreed to it, and we did the st. she's also kind of petite, but not too petite, and has nice size breasts relative to her overall body size; in general, a better body than xiao wang. the problem with her is that she has a bit of a cold, businesslike manner, and so it's kind of hard to warm up to her. in bed, she wasn't as active as xiao wang, or as active as owl had described. however, i did get the impression that she did kind of enjoy it once the act was underway, and might enjoy a longer, harder session. maybe owl is a more studly performer than i am, or maybe it has something to do with how much she's had to drink. who knows.
it seemed that she was avoiding acknowledging her session with owl, and kept asking for his phone number, presumably so she can figure out how i know her. maybe she's just too private to talk about one guy with another guy. in the end, i finally got her to admit that she remembers him, by saying that if she doesn't remember him, she must go with an awful lot of guys. she also confirmed the price. i asked her why owl paid less, and she said something about it having been arranged by her boss. so i guess she can be a tough negotiator when arranging a deal privately.
over the next couple days, i kept trying to arrange a 2nd session with jia jia, but she kept being busy or whatever. having nothing to do, i went over to the hui hua to see if it's possible to just ask for another xiao mommy. this was early enough that they had plenty of ordinary xiaojie on hand, and they tried to get me to take one, but i wasn't interested. also, xiao wang said if i take a xiao mommy, they will charge me 800. i think she meant st. if that's a standard "xiao mommy" rate, i can only guess that the reason i paid 500 with xiao wang was because they were short of xiaojie and decided to give me the xiaojie rate (kind of like when you reserve a compact car, and they don't have any, so they give you the mid-size at the compact rate). in any case, it seems that you can't just walk in and order up a "xiao mommy" line-up or whatever. it seems that a customer will ask for a particular one, e.g., if he happpens to like the one who is assisting them, and sometimes the xiao mommy will go, sometimes she won't. in any case, i left without choosing anyone, because they were being rather pushy, trying to get me to choose a xiaojie.
then, i got jia jia to agree to come to my room after work. she came, but a couple hours late, just stayed a while and chatted, and left. i could tell, based on various indications, that she had done a customer (i had a xiaojie girlfriend before, and sometimes it's rather obvious). she said to try her again the next day during her work hours. the next day, i couldn't reach her, so i called xiao wang, who told me that jia jia was drunk and needed some time to recover. i thought it sounded odd, so i went over to the hui hua, only to see jia jia in the hotel lobby, barely able to walk, getting dragged home by a co-worker. i thought maybe i should not get involved further with this girl.
i left cp and spent the next week hanging around in hk, macau, and zhuhai. on sunday, i called jia jia and she told me she'd have free time on monday and tuesday. zhuhai was a bit dead, what with the crackdown on lian hua lu, so i proceeded to cp on monday and met jia jia that night. she wanted 1000 again. i asked her, i need to give her 1000 every time? she said she's gotten 5000 or 6000 for lt on occasion. i asked her how much the guy gave her that night a week earlier when she had stopped by my room for only a few minutes. she admitted to doing st and accepting 1200. since she was getting pissed talking about price, i let go of the issue. i only had 900, so i gave her the choice of 900 rmb, or 1000 macau patacas, or going with me to a cash machine afterwards. she accepted 900 rmb.
since i just had my 2nd round with jia jia, i decided to do my 2nd round with xiao wang as well (after going to a cash machine). xiao wang came over that night for lt at 800. so, that was one night in cp well-spent. i left on tuesday to do my hk-macau-zh round again (i don't have to be back in beijing until the 15th).
with most girls i do, once is enough, but sometimes it takes me a second time with a girl to get me to move on. and so it was again.
i should also mention that i made friends with a sauna mommy in the miraton. i asked her if sauna mommies can be taken out, and she said it's not normally done, but if a customer offers around 5000 or 6000, it's more than likely doable. in this case, it's not just an st/lt, as i understand, it may be that the woman will consider herself to be the man's lover over some period of time. this is where it gets into a gray zone between xiaojie and "supported lover." ymmv.
She's the management type, so she has the tendency to take charge of the situation.
I suspect women respond to men more on basis of how they perceive they are being treated, more so than how hard and how long you can perform in bed. In other words, one should remove any threat, condescension, dirision ... and try to convince them in both verbal and body languages that you are genuinely appreciative of their company, level with them, care about them ... In short, women in personal relationship tend to like to be treated with lots of tenderness, like babies. When you make them feel loved, they respond with lots of love.
It must be very tough for the KTV and sauna girls to be lined up for review and rejection many times a day by customers. It's tough for them to have to become quickly intimate and sexual then be judged by strangers. For that reason, I am always gentle with these girls.
Your info again proves that Jia Jia is a very sexy, smart and attractive girl. She's one of those who make life exciting.
[QUOTE=Night Cat]
LT). few minutes. She admitted to doing ST and accepting 1200. Since she was getting pissed talking about price, I let go of the issue. I only had 900, so I gave her the choice of 900 RMB, or 1000 Macau Patacas, or going with me to a cash machine afterwards. She accepted 900 RMB.
Since I just had my 2nd round with Jia Jia, I decided to do my 2nd round with and "supported lover." YMMV.[/QUOTE]
Hi guys,
Just got back from CP a couple of weeks ago. It was quite an interesting experience! I couldn’t believe the price of things. After the conversion to USD, prices are incredibly cheap.
The most memorable part of the trip was when I went to the Virgin sauna. I paid 248 rmb for the room and 300 +50 rmb for the girl. She gave excellent service. I don’t remember her name. She was cute. Had a lot of makeup on. I got licked all over. Got my toe sucked. She had me bend over licked my hole with a mint strip on her tongue. It was quite an experience! She did the hot/ice BBBJ. Afterwards she put on the jimmy hat and rode me till I popped my load.
One night I went to the KTV at the Prince hotel. My buddies were already in the room and they picked their girls. I didn’t get there until 9: 00 pm and all the girls were pretty much gone. Whatever stragglers they sent to the room just didn’t do it for me. So I went home empty that night.
We’d gone to the Jia Yi on the first night I was there and I WAS AMAZED. We actually got there around 6: 30 pm and the big hall was full of girls! I was like a deer in headlights. The mommies were trying to push all these girls on me. I just couldn’t decide. I ended up with a girl my friend picked for me and it was a BIG MISTAKE. She loked good up until she took off her clothes and hopped in the shower. She had no boobs and the lashes were fake. What a turn off. She wouldn’t even give me BJ. I grabbed her and had her ride me. She was tight so that worked out ok. I popped and took a shower. I was going to kick her out but while I was checking my emails, she hopped into the bed and started snoring. Unbelievable. After I finished my stuff I went to bed. The next morning, I wasn’t in the mood so I gave her 800rmb some cab fare and sent her on her merry way.
I knew there was a ISG convention at the Mirtn hotel cause my buddy heard the commotion you guys were making when checking in. I saw a couple of guys having breakfast one morning at the hotel and one of them mentioned Rising Son in their conversation.
Another evening, after I finished my dinner at the diner downstairs next to the DVD store and was walking to the hotel, I overheard these two couples chit chatting and one of the guys was asking if they wanted to do a foursome. Mongering at it’s best!
On my last night, I went to the KTV in Miratn. NONE of the girls caught my eye. My buddies chose one girl for me and after a couple of minutes, I noticed there was like this body odor emanating from her. I gave her 100rmb and sent her on her way. The two dj girls however were HOT. I didn’t get any girls that night. I was trying to hit on the dj girls all night. The night ended up on a sour note cause they were both into my friend. And one of my friend’s local acquaintance got into a tussle with one of the workers and next thing you know stuff was getting thrown around in the room. Ashtrays and glass was flying. All I kept thinking about was some mainlander scoping out my ABC ass behind bars. The security guards came in. Everybody’s talking to me in mandarin. I had no clue what they’re saying. After a couple of minutes, my buddy told me to go back to the room and I was outta there.
Overall, I had a good time. Got sick due to too much boozing. Gotta remember that I can’t drink like I used to. I’ll have to remember that it’s quantity vs. Quality. There’s plenty of tail, it takes a little time to find your diamond.
I hope next time I go out there there’ll be another ISG convention. I’ll definitely meet up with you all.
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[QUOTE=One Wing Low]When you make them feel loved, they respond with lots of love.
Your info again proves that Jia Jia is a very sexy, smart and attractive girl. She's one of those who make life exciting.[/QUOTE]
From your description of your time with her, it sounds like she made your life a lot more exciting than she did mine. My second time with her was the same as the first. Everything leading up to the act was kind of cold and businesslike. During the act itself, she warmed up slightly. I was hoping she would warm up more, and be more affectionate, but it didn't happen. I did my best to treat her kindly, but it did not produce the results I was looking for. For this reason, my obsession with her is over.
Ironically, I got from the other xiao mommy (Xiao Wang) what I did not get from Jia Jia, that is, a more friendly attitide, and more active in bed. So if you put the two together, I got everything I was after.
Also, I know that I overpaid Jia Jia (she's not exactly a stunner, especially w/o make-up), but I just had to get this obsession over with. It was an interesting learning experience (or "undercover investigation" if you will), finding out about xiao mommies (not to mention doing them). I get a kick out of exploring the unknown, but at this point, I don't feel inclined to explore this avenue any further. Other mysteries lie ahead.
It looks like she knew she could get the top rate out of you.
That night I botched up an all nighter with a Huimei KTV girl, so I went to the Huihua KTV looking for replacement at about 2AM. The girls were all gone so I took Jia Jia. I went along with Jia Jia around the KTV as she barked orders for the other girls to close up. I thought, damn, I've got the bossiest girl of the whole joint.
We went down the elevator with 2 other girls and their Chinese clients. They were kidding around. I was trying to enegage Jia Jia but she was stone silent. She took me out the back of the Hui Hua to the back door of the Miraton. She was walking very steady steps of a very sober person.
As we were walking in the dark area between the 2 hotels, I could not resist grabbing my sexy, little Jia Jia. I was trying to kiss her lips, her cheeks, her neck... I was grabbing her crotch and her boobies under her jacket...I was grabbing her around her tiny waist, squeezing her, embracing her body, pinching her butt... She put on a cursory resistance through all of this. We went through the Miraton's back door into the hallways. She pushed me away as we walked in the Miraton...
We got into the room. I could not wait to strip her of her uniform. I was kissing her everywhere from her lips down to her belly and her legs...She was lying flat with eyes closed, biting her lips, squirming, hissing, squeezing me hard...I was kissing and biting her lightly on her face, her neck, her breasts, her belly, her sexy thighs...I was rubbing her pussy all along and it was getting very wet...We took along time before I started penetrating her...
We did it a many positions while tightly embraced....When I came I was pretty exhausted, lying flat. She waited a few minutes then got on top of me, stuck my dick into her and started another session....It was great to see a girl really enjoy herself.
When I asked the Miraton's reception girls to call Jia Jia the next day, they were all smiling shyly, like they know something I dont...Perhaps Jia Jia has got a special reputation...
Ya. I want a repeat of that great session. I will be back to the Huihua, making deals with the manager to take my sweet Jia Jia at Xiaojie rate, or the rest of the Chang Ping mongers will get pissed off, that I alone am spoiling the market.
[QUOTE=Night Cat]From your description of your time with her, it sounds like she made your life a lot more exciting than she did mine. My second time with her was the same as the first. Everything leading up to the act was kind of cold and businesslike. During the act itself, she warmed up slightly. I was hoping she would warm up more, and be more affectionate, but it didn't happen. I did my best to treat her kindly, but it did not produce the results I was looking for. For this reason, my obsession with her is over.
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[QUOTE=One Wing Low]Ya. I want a repeat of that great session. I will be back to the Huihua, making deals with the manager to take my sweet Jia Jia at Xiaojie rate, or the rest of the Chang Ping mongers will get pissed off, that I alone am spoiling the market.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like you are in love, why don't ya marry her, then give her all your money!
I like the fact that I can get laid in CP for 150/500 rmb for a BBS girl or 500/800 rmb for a KTV cutie. Even when one guy goes there and pays double or triple the going price, it slowly fucks it up for the rest of us, because then that same girl you gave all that cash to will try to get it from the next guy who comes along. If he does not pay it, then he won't get it or she will give him shitty service.
So yes, one guy can start the inflation on pussy.
-SZE
[QUOTE=Szexpat] Even when one guy goes there and pays double or triple the going price, it slowly fucks it up for the rest of us,
So yes, one guy can start the inflation on pussy.
-SZE[/QUOTE]
Also, she will tell the other girls. She will brag. And news flies!
If too many people accept too hi prices, inflation that is. And there is always someone responsible!
To One Wing Low and Night Cat:
I agree with the consent of not to over pay but later it's fine. These girls will talk among themselves and BRAG about how much these stupid foreigners or Laowai are willing to pay. It will give other girls this idea of trying to get more from foreigners. You just make it harder for the next guy. I know your tour guides two weeks ago for CP would agree, and this is how you guys pay them back.
A perfect example is “Jia Jia”. At first she changed 600RMB for “One Wing Low” on 12-18-06. Now it’s 1000RMB ST for “Night Cat”. She just raised her pirce in 4 months. For other guys paying her 6000RMB and 7000RMB, I strongly suspect it’s an lie to make you feel guilty to get you to pay a little more. For what I read and gather, "she's not exactly a stunner either", "too businesslike" and NOT very active in bed. Therefore, she's not even worth the 1000RMB ST.
I'm guessing and estimating but you have to remember, the average salary for a working in a large city like Shenzhen is about $1800-2300RMB a month. For a restaurant working in CP is about $800 to $1000 a month. It is even less in the country side. The cost of living is different and far less than countries than GB, Japan, USA. The pretty one that are taken out ( picked ) all the time make very very good money. Don't feel sorry for the very pretty ones that are picked.
In my opinion, in the beginning it should only be a small tip for cab fare. ( For the cab far, they will pocket the difference and take a motocycle instead in CP ). A little larger if it's only for good service or you want to see her again. It's only after you get to know the girl after several times, you should give a nice big tip. Because after you get to know the girl, it gets more personal and GF like. There are about three girls I give a lot of money to but it's after I known them for while.
One Wing Low:
It seems like you are getting or reading miss information .I recall reading a 800 RMB tip you gave to a 1,500 RMB KTV girl in SZ. Then you might have over tipped at KTVs.
Next some misunderstanding of how much are SW in Zhuhai are 500RMB when the going price is $200. I don't know the whole story but are these stories true? If it was your first time in China please don't over pay the next time. The first time I was in China I really over paid this one girl but that's another long story.
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Also, I know that I overpaid Jia Jia (she's not exactly a stunner, especially w/o make-up), but I just had to get this obsession over with. It was an interesting learning experience (or "undercover investigation" if you will), finding out about xiao mommies (not to mention doing them). I get a kick out of exploring the unknown, but at this point, I don't feel inclined to explore this avenue any further. Other mysteries lie ahead.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]
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My friend was in love with his girl at first sight. We decided to drink up then go. All top managers showed up for tips when we got ready to leave. My girl told me the mamasans take 20% of all her earnings. I only tipped the 2 mamasan 100Y each, did not tip the manager. He should learn about the Big Golden Parachute trick from the stupid corporate assholes in America.
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[QUOTE=One Wing Low]
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The mamasan was quite reasonable, reducing the room min from 680Y down to 390Y. Of course we spent a lot more than that on tips etc...
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Hey everyone,
I'm in CP for this weekend, I was wondering if any mongering bros would like to meet up sometime.
Please PM me if you guys are interested. I would love to meet up with all the veterans i've been reading on this board. You guys all seem like great guys.
Look forward to anyone to PM me. Thanks. I'm at the hui Wah hotel. Mongering just seems a bit boring, and why is it so F**king cold in CP? in April?
First time I come to CP to play. I really appreciate OWL for the advice he has given me.
Check into HH and went to the KTV on Friday. On the way down to 3rd floor, I chatted with a few guys in the elevator. Later, I found that they were heading for the KTV too. Being alone I asked if I can join them. It was fun as these guys were cool. I believe one of them has an ISG handle called wild and crazy. It was about 6.30pm and we got a really big room. Enough for 20 people. Fifteen minutes later, we still haven’t had any girls brought in so we started barking at the mommy and loiter along the corridor. There were tons of chicks running up and down and in a way it was fun watching all the beauties rushing about. Then around 7.00pm I starting thinking the night is screwed as I didn’t find anyone I fancy. As I was going back to the room I caught sight of her rushing by. Cute, slim, hot looking girl, about 1.67m, close to C cup, enhanced by push up bra, next door girl type of look. What really attracted me was this fantastic smile on her face. So I grapped her arm and asked her if she could keep me company. She said yes and we went back to the room to join the others. I sensed that she was more shy then indifferent. Wouldn’t look me in the eyes, wouldn’t take the initiative to hold my hand. When I tried to hug her, she tried to resist. When I tried to cup her face or turned it toward me for a kiss, she would try to turn it away. I started thinking maybe I pick the wrong gal after all.
The night was young and we started chatting. I found out that she was from Chengdu. Took a train 23 hours prior and only arrived at the railway station in the morning. Her friend who worked in HH too helped her picked a small sexy dress and pair of heels just hours before I met her. I was telling myself, “ yeah, all the chicks here either just arrive today or yesterday” Well, it turned out that I was wrong. She was indeed newly minted. Later when the waitress was going around asking for the girls group number, mommy and some sort of ID number, she wasn’t able to provide the information. She doesn’t know even know the name of the mommy. She had to have another gal help her read the tag which was kind of fuzzy. There were many other subtle signs that convince me that she was indeed a new arrival.
I was more interested in the total GFE experience rather than just banging her. After a couple of hours in the KTV room, I decided to bring her out to a more “nomal” setting so I can get to know her as a friend. We went to Macdonald. She has never been to Macdonald and agreed to try. There I got to know her better. She is 22. Married to a guy for about 1 year. After marriage, the guy almost never come home. She was uncomfortable going into the details so I didn’t press her. She got divorced a couple of months back and decided that a change of environment would help her.
We got back to the room and I thought I should get her to have a bath with me. This girl like most from the interior probably don’t have very good genital hygiene. A good soak in the tub would help. I tried to undress her in the bathroom but she was really shy, asking me to dim the light and trying to push my hands away. So I told her I will turn around while she undress. That worked and we were soon scrubbing each others’ back. The bath was slow and sensous and I got to play with her great tits with nipples the size of a quarter. Then we proceed to the shower where I wiped her pussy and arse good.
I started kissing her gently when we got into bed. She doesn’t have much experience kissing so I taught her how to lick the corner of the mouth and suck on the lips. I started working my way down to the tits and pussy and she started squealing and moaning.. Here eyes were tightly shut and she was biting her lower lips. When I tried to do daty, she started pushing my head away. So I tried to persuade her but she wouldn’t yield. So I told her I am getting mad. That worked and soon I was enjoying her pussy. Pink and plump labia majora, couldn’t quite see the labia minora Hot pussy and tits the way I like them. When we were fucking, she was twitching and arching her back. Her head was shaking and tilted backward and she was holding me really tight. I told her, that I want her to communicate with me, like telling me to go faster or slower, softer or harder and of course to telling me when she come. This girl has never done it other than the missionary position. When I ased her to climb on top of me she asked why. When I told her we can fuck that way she look puzzled so I gladly taught her how to do it. After 20 minutes in various position she came and said laogong I am coming. I bent her knees all the way till they touched her tits. With my arm around her thigh and my hand clamped on her shoulder I pounded her deep till I came.
We held hands and slept with legs entwined. In the morning we had another round and I taught her how to do bj. It wasn’t good but I will leave the higher education to other brothers. I brought her to climate with my fingers rubbing her clit and G spots. Then I proceed to screw her. I asked her if I can do it without cap and she said yes. I guess she is really into me. I didn’t want to do it without cap as you can never tell. It was more of an ego thing for me. Sorry that I am a selfish bastard. After half an hour of vigorous pounding, I still wasn’t able to come. Exhausted, I decided to save my precious juice for tonight with another gal.
We had great sex. I really enjoyed her naivette and the initiation to enlightenment of a shy hot gal who in many way is like a virgin. In parting, I advised her never to screw anyone without protection. Its 11.45am and I need to complete this report so I can proceed to pack and check out. Hope my report will help another brother in his quest for the ultimate GFE sex.
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[QUOTE=Weelock]To One Wing Low and Night Cat:
For other guys paying her 6000RMB and 7000RMB, I strongly suspect it’s an lie to make you feel guilty to get you to pay a little more. For what I read and gather, "she's not exactly a stunner either", "too businesslike" and NOT very active in bed. Therefore, she's not even worth the 1000RMB ST.[/QUOTE]Let me repeat my story on the girl I had for LT in Shenzhen LAs Vegas KTV. (I posted it sometime in early March).
She was a 8/10. While in the middle of my first round with her, OAH called me on my cell as he was having problem with his girl from the same KTV. The initial agreement was 5/10/15 but the girl wanted 1200 for ST from OAH. When I tried confirming with my girl, she replied "It all up to you guys, I had people paying me 10,000 , 20,000 as tips after a ST session, they are all very nice gentleman. But I would decline if I don't like them, however I liked you."
Whenever I hear shit like this it puts me off completely. IMHO: If the girl is trying to pull this quick one on me, sorry she just hit the wall. What she is trying to say to me was that later after my session if I don't pay her a reasonable amount of tips, I am not nice gentleman since that she said she likes me. That is exactly what Weelock is saying here; they are just trying to "you feel guilty to get you to pay a little more" ... Sorry it is not going to work for me.
However I would understand why many non-frequent mongers in China would falls for this trick and they did not spend enough time in China to understand and learn of all their tricks.
For that incident in Shenzhen (not the first time), I finish off with her, paid her 1200, told her "You can go and find some other stupid nice gentleman for your 10,000 or 20,000, but not me!" and asked her to fuck off.
End of the day, it all voice down to the same thing; The girls will say or do anything to get more from you, think with your big head and not your small one, before you decide what amount to pay.
Enjoy,
AG
[QUOTE=Weelock]
It's only after you get to know the girl after several times, you should give a nice big tip. Because after you get to know the girl, it’s get more personal and GF like. There are about three girls I give a lot of money to but it's after I known them for while.
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Weelock,
And tomorrow, she will do another guy for 150-200 RMB ST. I do not understand your rationale.
OAH
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand][QUOTE=Weelock]
It's only after you get to know the girl after several times, you should give a nice big tip. Because after you get to know the girl, it’s get more personal and GF like. There are about three girls I give a lot of money to but it's after I known them for while.
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Weelock,
And tomorrow, she will do another guy for 150-200 RMB ST. I do not understand your rationale.
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Why and my rationale,
Two of them give very good service. Lucky none of these girls know each other. I'm single and both are like close girlfriends to me. Not just sex but they also offer female companionship. At one time I was able to go out to lunch or dinner but now she will get into trouble if she does. At one time one of them wanted to marry me. I went over to watch TV at one girl's apartment another time. I later found out she could have gotten in trouble if the other girls told on her. Another time one was on her period and came out to see me. She does not normally spend time with customers on her period but she did with me. Oh, we didn't do the wild thing but I believe I could have. One even wanted my home phone and address outside of China and I sadly said NO.
It has been a few years since I first met them. They are getting old and one fatter. I will miss them when they retire. Both have told told me they will be leaving the business soon. For the tips, it's not a lot nothing like a 100USD tip each time. They know I know what the local pay and I can pay them that rate if I wanted to. I have done that in the beginning and a few times later. When I do pay the local rate, both never complained or wanted more.
Yes, your are correct about doing another guy the next day for money.
The third one I don't see anymore since I lost contact. I think she went back home. Her phone has been disconnected. For the third one, I went to lunch and dinner a few times also. And then to an amusement park in Shenzhen called Happy Valley. I think I sent you some pictures of her a few years ago. She worked at Jusco in Shenzhen and you happened to see her once briefly.
The first time I was in China a few years ago, I gave another girl tons of money and gifts. Now that girl was a mistake. I was treating her too much like a girlfriend. Each time she gave bad service and was like a dead fish. I didn't know the whole store about working girls at the time. Now, any other girl I meet for the first time, I am cheap bastard on tipping unless she is good or I want to do her again.
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]"It all up to you guys, I had people paying me 10,000 , 20,000 as tips after a ST session, they are all very nice gentleman. But I would decline if I don't like them, however I liked you." [/QUOTE]
I've heard this at least a dozen times and I never believe it. To be honest, I don't think it's ever even happened. I believe it's some kind of Guangdong urban legend. I think some of the girls hear about what goes on in Hong Kong and pretend it happened to them.
[QUOTE=Moody]I've heard this at least a dozen times and I never believe it. To be honest, I don't think it's ever even happened. I believe it's some kind of Guangdong urban legend. I think some of the girls hear about what goes on in Hong Kong and pretend it happened to them.[/QUOTE]It is just a tale which the girls would hope that will come true for them one day. But as I said, they are just trying to fuck you up in your head in hopes for more money from you.
It would certainly take a big stupid monger to fall for that!
AG
[QUOTE=Weelock] It's only after you get to know the girl after several times, you should give a nice big tip. Because after you get to know the girl, it gets more personal and GF like. [/QUOTE]
If the girl is more GF like, wouldn't you give her less money??? That's what I used to do. Way back when, when I used to get the same girl for several days at a time, because I was out in Yantian, I would give them less. A couple even refused the money, but I would give it to them anyway. The last time I did it, I gave one KTV girl 5000 for hanging with me for 2 weeks.
Moody,
Forgot to mention, one time one of them left my room and forgot to collect the money. I had to chase her down to give the money. It was kind of funny at the time.
I never had a real long term girlfriend, so I don't really know about money situation. I believe that was one of the reason why I got screwed by the first girl ( working girl ) I met in China. I was treating her too much like a girl on a date. For example, I buy her stuff for gifts or buy her things when we went shopping.
I glad you feel the same about giving money to someone that is special. Wow, giving a girl $5000RMB for two weeks. Do you still see her? I never gave anything close to that much for a tip. Talking about spoiling the market. So, some stories are true about big tippers.
You have to remember these girls usually have low education. Most don’t want to be prostitutes. Two of them told me they don’t like being working girls, but they have to make a living somehow.
Now a days, currently, for any other girl I will only give a little tip. It’s more if she is good or I want to do her again.
If 5000RMB was the total payout, then this was a bargain for 14 days. Not to take anything away from the girl, but my calculation comes out to 357RMB a day and night. Not a bad deal for a total GFE thing. Certainly not spoiling the market but reinventing the market.
Moody, was this a tip on top of another payment?
But it sounds like this was an unexpected gift than a payment, which is always a good thing.
Bill
[QUOTE=Weelock]Moody,
I glade you feel the same about giving money to someone that is special. Wow, giving a girl $5000RMB for two weeks. Do you still see her? I never gave anything close to that much for a tip. Talking about spoiling the market. So, some stories are true about big tippers.
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[QUOTE=Bill Lee]If 5000RMB was the total payout, then this was a bargain for 14 days. Not to take anything away from the girl, but my calculation comes out to 357RMB a day and night. Not a bad deal for a total GFE thing. Certainly not spoiling the market but reinventing the market.
Moody, was this a tip on top of another payment?
But it sounds like this was an unexpected gift than a payment, which is always a good thing.
Bill[/QUOTE]
I gave her 5000 total. I thought that was a fair amount to give her.
[QUOTE=Weelock]You have to remember these girls usually have low education. Most don’t want to be prostitutes. Two of them told me they don’t like being working girls, but they have to make a living somehow. [/QUOTE]
You need to remember that many of these girls are just plain lazy. If a girl has low self respect for herself and does not matter who and how many men fuck her, then she can make a good living being a Xiaojie. Why work at a factory making 1800 a month which involves long hours, having to live in the factory dorms and most of all working.
Instead, she can screw a john for 150 rmb a pop or 500 rmb a night, many times sleeping overnight at nice hotels, getting the occasional nice meals and entertainment, sleep late every day and if its a slow night, sit around playing poker with her friends and smoking. If she is really lucky, maybe guys like OWL or other big spenders will like her and give her 500 rmb tip's.
I have met a couple of girls that also hated the business and got out fast, but the majority don't mind it and prefer the easy life and easy money.
-SZE
[QUOTE=Szexpat]You need to remember that many of these girls are just plain lazy. If a girl has low self respect for herself and does not matter who and how many men fuck her, then she can make a good living being a Xiaojie. Why work at a factory making 1800 a month which involves long hours, having to live in the factory dorms and most of all working.
Instead, she can screw a john for 150 rmb a pop or 500 rmb a night, many times sleeping overnight at nice hotels, getting the occasional nice meals and entertainment, sleep late every day and if its a slow night, sit around playing poker with her friends and smoking. If she is really lucky, maybe guys like OWL or other big spenders will like her and give her 500 rmb tip's.
I have met a couple of girls that also hated the business and got out fast, but the majority don't mind it and prefer the easy life and easy money.
-SZE[/QUOTE]Szexpat,
I know if I was in China and a girl, as lazy as I am, that's what I'd be doing too.
Oh well. Glad I'm on the other end though. Much more fun!
I agree with the consensus here, not to overpay. In general, I'm of the "cheap bastard" variety, and I will make every effort to keep my expenses down, and not spoil the market. I don't believe that overpaying helps anyone.
I also agree that, once you know the girl better and have become a regular customer, the price should go down, not up. If the girl becomes my "pengyou" but doesn't give me a "pengyou price," well, what kind of "pengyou" is that? I may as well go to a different girl.
That being said, I will comment on the following:
[QUOTE=Weelock]
A perfect example is “Jia Jia”. At first she changed 600RMB for “One Wing Low” on 12-18-06. Now it’s 1000RMB ST for “Night Cat”. She just raised her pirce in 4 months. For other guys paying her 6000RMB and 7000RMB, I strongly suspect it’s an lie to make you feel guilty to get you to pay a little more. For what I read and gather, "she's not exactly a stunner either", "too businesslike" and NOT very active in bed. Therefore, she's not even worth the 1000RMB ST.[/QUOTE]
Admittedly, paying 1000Y ST is egregious. But this is the exception for me. The only reason is that I developed a short-term obsession with the "KTV mommy in bed" idea, and I had to do it no matter what. I'm allowed an occasional departure from normal behavior once every few years, especially if it produces a useful research result. I had not seen much info on KTV mommies or sauna mommies before.
Rather than rejecting my info on KTV mommies and sauna mommies, your post would be more effective if you were to do your own research and post the results.
Regarding Jia Jia, I don't doubt that some KTV customers will give her 1000 ST or more, just because they like her, and/or are willing to pay a premium to experience a girl who "isn't a xiaojie" (and while not a stunner, she's still attractive). Also, having gotten to know her a little, I don't doubt that she'd reject offers at the standard 2-5-8 rates. I asked her why she accepted 500 (after 100 bar fine) from OWL, and she said it was because her boss asked her to go with him, and then she was unable to communicate with him, so she went along with what was happening. The 5000 or 6000 LT deal is probably rare, but I suppose there is the occasional rich Taiwanese/Japanese/etc. businessman who wants to do that, and those numbers were consistent with what I was told by the sauna mommy (see my post). As I said before, this may fall into the gray area between xiaojie and "supported lover." While these situations are rare, they do happen, and if you have personal experience with that, please post.
My suggestion is, go get a KTV mommy, or a sauna mommy, and then tell us what you paid. And if your info is different from mine, it doesn't mean that mine was wrong (note that I also had one who stuck to the 2-5-8 rates). Everyone has their price. YMMV, as they say.
[QUOTE=Night Cat] The only reason is that I developed a short-term obsession with the "KTV mommy in bed" idea, and I had to do it no matter what. I'm allowed an occasional departure from normal behavior once every few years, especially if it produces a useful research result. I had not seen much info on KTV mommies or sauna mommies before.
Rather than rejecting my info on KTV mommies and sauna mommies, your post would be more effective if you were to do your own research and post the results.
Regarding Jia Jia, I don't doubt that some KTV customers will give her 1000 ST or more, just because they like her, and/or are willing to pay a premium to experience a girl who "isn't a xiaojie" (and while not a stunner, she's still attractive). [/QUOTE]
In case some don't know it, a greater portions of the mummies were "XiaoJie" prior to being mummies. This is more the norm than the exception.
As to whether they will go with "johns" it's always their choice depending on their own circumstances and whether they are "hitched' or still single and needing some extra cash and/or some fun to go with it. And your attractiveness to her of course.
Having said what I said above, my own obsession would not be because she is a mummy but rather a girl who I find attractive and desirable. Besides the obvious working ladies (BBS & Karaoke girls), obviously, any other attractive woman is an obsession whether she is a receptionist, waitress, beer promoter, KJ, DJ or ......
Does not have to ba a mummy in my opinion.
[QUOTE=Crazier]
Having said what I said above, my own obsession would not be because she is a mummy but rather a girl who I find attractive and desirable.[/QUOTE]
Usually that's my position. But once in a long while, I will pursue a certain obsession/perversion/etc., for no logical reason. Who knows, maybe this time next year, or whenever, I might decide I want to do a fat, hairy chick, just to have that experience. But most of the time, I will be into the girl according to the girl and my attraction to her.
Now, would people please stop giving me shit just because I deviated from the norm for once in my whole friggin life?
He posted some very useful reports that benefit others.
His pursuits of these girls go much deeper than just the physical acts of sex. I hate to think that he will pursue every girl like he pursued Jia Jia. Perhaps one day he will find a few girls who can satisfy him sexually, emotionally, intelectually ... may be even financially, if he can make them very happy and satisfied in bed... hehehe.
We all come from diverse backgrounds and have different ways of getting what we want, paying how much we can afford. Please respect that and enjoy the richness of our diverse personalities. I am sure the girls would not like every monger to be a cheap guy, roughing up the poor, young, scared girls to save a few yuans for a fuck.
Look on the positive side. Value guys on how much they contribute to improve our knowledge, enhance our experience, save us money and headaches.
I am glad you had a great time having only one day to spend in CP. You must have carefully researched the scene and everything went without a hitch. I like your report with a lot of interesting contents.
You were very lucky to have a fresh new girl who has not been jaded. Must be a very nice experience, close to GF. When you want to handle a highly experienced girl, you can always come back to the Huihua and try Jia Jia, hehehe.... This Jia Jia is a tough cookie who must have cleaned out bank accounts of a few guys.
To me the ultimate satisfaction is romantic love with frequent hot, passionate sex with a nice, sweet, sexy, pretty girl. A girl, not many girls. Chinese girls can provide that within my means, which makes life very good. I had a great time with an English-speaking girl in Houjie the week before you arrived. I took a very picky friend along who admitted that was one of the best vacations he ever had.
Let us know when you will be back in China. Would love to buy you a few drinks and swap stories.
[QUOTE=Regnom]First time I come to CP to play. I really appreciate OWL for the advice he has given me.
Check into HH and went to the KTV on Friday. On the way down to 3rd floor, We had great sex. I really enjoyed her naivette and the initiation to enlightenment of a shy hot gal who in many way is like a virgin. In parting, I advised her never to screw anyone without protection. Its 11.45am and I need to complete this report so I can proceed to pack and check out. Hope my report will help another brother in his quest for the ultimate GFE sex.
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[QUOTE=Weelock]To One Wing Low and Night Cat:
I agree with the consent of not to over pay but later it's fine. These girls will talk among themselves and BRAG about how much these stupid foreigners or Laowai are willing to pay. It will give other girls this idea of trying to get more from foreigners. You just make it harder for the next guy. I know your tour guides two weeks ago for CP would agree, and this is how you guys pay them back.
A perfect example is “Jia Jia”. At first she changed 600RMB for “One Wing Low” on 12-18-06. Now it’s 1000RMB ST for “Night Cat”. She just raised her pirce in 4 months. For other guys paying her 6000RMB and 7000RMB, I strongly suspect it’s an lie to make you feel guilty to get you to pay a little more. For what I read and gather, "she's not exactly a stunner either", "too businesslike" and NOT very active in bed. Therefore, she's not even worth the 1000RMB ST.
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They can brag all they want and demand as much as they want, it's still up to the guys how they negotiate their deals. They are not pussycats who have to cave in to all demands. It would be smart for the guys to do it in the most gentle and friendly ways, so the girls will be turned on to provide GF-like services.
After meeting Night Cat in ZH, I guessed he had some hang up with a female management type that he needs resolve. Jia Jia may be a very good and cheap therapy for that price.
[quote] In my opinion, in the beginning it should only be a small tip for cab fare. ( For the cab far, they will pocket the difference and take a motocycle instead in CP ). A little larger if it's only for good service or you want to see her again. It's only after you get to know the girl after several times, you should give a nice big tip. Because after you get to know the girl, it gets more personal and GF like. [/quote]
Your assessments agree with me and your recommendations are sound. The more you see a girl, the tip should only get gradually bigger, or combined with other meaningful gifts. Girls are very sensitive, usually with their own self-worth dependent upon their guys. If you keep seeing the same girl and reducing the tips, that will hurt or anger her for sure. You may as well leave her.
[QUOTE]
It seems like you are getting or reading miss information .I recall reading a 800 RMB tip you gave to a 1,500 RMB KTV girl in SZ. Then you might have over tipped at KTVs.
Next some misunderstanding of how much are SW in Zhuhai are 500RMB when the going price is $200. I don't know the whole story but are these stories true? If it was your first time in China please don't over pay the next time. The first time I was in China I really over paid this one girl but that's another long story.[/QUOTE]
It was my first time in China. The girl was such a beautiful, sexy and sweet girl who spent an extra half day with me. So I gave her a proportional tip. I really wanted to see this girl again. I called and talked to her last time I was in SZ. When I called again to invite her to the hotel, her phone had run out of money and she could not receive calls. I tried her again and again in a couple days but the poor girl did not have money to feed ger phone. I would guess these girls mostly live precariously with unsteady income.
I already explained a few times, the 500Y was a misunderstanding. I ran into the same girl again 2 weeks a go in ZH. She seemed scared and hungry with all the crackdowns. We spent a few hours together like old friends and she accepted 200Y with grace. I gave her a bottle of jasmin-scented cologne. She was delighted. She gave me a long kiss before heading out of the door.
She is a very pretty and precious girl. I gave her number to Johnny Kon. Hopefully he will keep track of her.
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]
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It was my first time in China. The girl was such a beautiful, sexy and sweet girl who spent an extra half day with me. So I gave her a proportional tip. I really wanted to see this girl again. I called and talked to her last time I was in SZ. When I called again to invite her to the hotel, her phone had run out of money and she could not receive calls. I tried her again and again in a couple days but the poor girl did not have money to feed ger phone. I would guess these girls mostly live precariously with unsteady income.[/QUOTE]OWL:
For unsteady income, you have to remember you gave her over a month’s salary (800 + 1, 500RMB) for just one day’s work. A lot of girls, especially the model types, make very good money. Therefore she has lots of money. Don’t feel sorry for them.
I only over paid ONE girl the first time I was in China. At the time I felt sorry for her. She was my escort for about 3 days. I then went north traveling and came back to see her again for about another 5 days.
Night Cat:
I am also glad nothing seriously happened in Zhuhai. You got away safe and nothing taken. For the last few years, there has been some kind of crackdown on LHL, nothing new.
I have an obsession/perversion/hangup/fetish myself. I don’t want to talk about because everybody is going rag on you. (A hint, Northern ???? )
From time to time, there are ragging on two well know loveable guys, HA HA.
[QUOTE=Night Cat]My suggestion is, go get a KTV mommy, or a sauna mommy, and then tell us what you paid. And if your info is different from mine, it doesn't mean that mine was wrong (note that I also had one who stuck to the 2-5-8 rates). Everyone has their price. YMMV, as they say.[/QUOTE]
I tend to agree with you, Night Cat. Although not everyone has their price, in China, especially in DG, it tends to be so. Anyway, to me, it is a willing buyer, willing seller market out there. There will always be someone is willing to pay above market price, as long he is satisfied with the goods/services. I do sometimes pay above if I feel I got really good services.
[QUOTE=Night Cat]
My suggestion is, go get a KTV mommy, or a sauna mommy, and then tell us what you paid. And if your info is different from mine, it doesn't mean that mine was wrong (note that I also had one who stuck to the 2-5-8 rates). Everyone has their price. YMMV, as they say.[/QUOTE]
I got a KTV mommy from Cinese a couple of years ago when I used to be a regular there. I think there was one span when I went like 12 straight days in a row. Anyway, I got to know one mommy pretty well after that and I took her out to dinner a few times and stuff. Eventually I managed to talk her into staying overnight with me one time. I didn't give her anything. I think with a lot of the mommies, if you work on it a little, you don't have to give them money. I think they prefer it this way too.
I get the feeling that a lot of guys here seem to think that Chinese make very little money. I keep seeing people post over and over about how girls in factories make 800-1500 and XXXRMB is big money to them. While that's true those are salaries at factories and for service staff, you have to keep in mind the average salaries in Guangdong. People in China are making real cash lately. Recently, a report came out saying Guangzhou had the highest per capita income in China at slightly over $10,000USD a year. Shenzhen was third at slightly under $8000USD per year. I hate to say it, but that's about a third of the US median salary. Not bad compared to worldwide income. 800RMB is not what it used to be. Look at real estate in Guangdong. 4 years ago, high rise apartments in Nanshan district in Shenzhen sold for around 3000RMB a Sq. M., now, it's over 14,000RMB. That's 366% increase in 4 years. Everytime a new complex goes up, it sells out before it's even built. Somebody's buying 'em all. There's serious cash in Guangdong now. Please don't fool yourselves into thinking 200RMB is big money to these girls nowadays. Hell, they call carry around 3000RMB cell phones.
[QUOTE=Szexpat]You need to remember that many of these girls are just plain lazy. If a girl has low self respect for herself and does not matter who and how many men fuck her, then she can make a good living being a Xiaojie. Why work at a factory making 1800 a month which involves long hours, having to live in the factory dorms and most of all working.
I have met a couple of girls that also hated the business and got out fast, but the majority don't mind it and prefer the easy life and easy money.
-SZE[/QUOTE]
I gotta agree with you. I hate to say it, but these girls are all taking the easy way out. Since I'm one of the beneficiaries of their laziness though, I can't fault them too much for it.
The first time I visited CP I met Cappy, OAH and Cronin. Cronin showed me around his beloved catacombs and told me not to pay more than 30rmb for a fuck. Those of you who have been there, especially at night, know that it's not for the faint hearted.
Anyway, I found one I would do, and I didn't want the other guys to think I was chickenshit, so I fucked her. When it came time to pay the little lady I found I didn't have the correct change, so I reluctantly paid her 50rmb. Of course, she conveniently had no change.
When I told Cronin and Cappy they gave me a verbal scolding. I'm sure they later told OAH and I know what he would have said, "these fucking guys, that stupid fucking Santa fucking up the market!"
My crime, I paid 20rmb too much, that's less than $3. But I was guilty!
[QUOTE=Santa]...
My crime, I paid 20rmb too much, that's less than $3. But I was guilty![/QUOTE]
Santa,
I know it's easy to think about it as "$3" but you should think about it more in terms of "I overpaid the standard price by [b]66%[/b]". If you apply that result to other instances like food, clothing, or other non-sex purchases, even if it's $3, you probably don't feel so good about it.
But anyway, the standards prices have been posted on this board many times so it's hard to claim ignorance for those who are reading the posts. I guess when faced with the aspect of a real pussy and/or fake affection, a lot of mongers go as weak in the knees as in they do in the head. I've been (and still am) guilty occassionally but I consciously try to avoid it.
J
PS. How are things in the states? When are you coming back to China?
[QUOTE=Johnnykon666]Santa,
I know it's easy to think about it as "$3" but you should think about it more in terms of "I overpaid the standard price by [b]66%[/b]".
PS. How are things in the states? When are you coming back to China?[/QUOTE]
I totally agree and that IS how I see it.
I miss my beloved China so bad it hurts. I will be back as soon as I can.
I love the States too, but it ain't no good for pussy huntin'. OAH wants to know "where's the pussy at?", well it ain't here! When I go to the local bar I see most of the ladies are fat and ugly. Most of our liberated american women spend their evenings in front of the TV gorging themselves with pepsi, pizza and cakes. I recently read that the average american walks for only 30 minutes a week. Need I say more?
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]
It was my first time in China. The girl was such a beautiful, sexy and sweet girl who spent an extra half day with me. So I gave her a proportional tip.
[/QUOTE]
OWL:
Please don't exaggerate. We were there. You had her for a standard ST period of time. When I knocked on your door after mine left, she was already gone. An hour at the most.
I do not want to belabor this point since it is a complete waste of time. Maybe it was miscommunication, maybe it was newbie "weakness in the knees" as Johnny puts it.
IMHO, most of your rationale is nonsense e.g. "tipping more as time goes on", "the poor, innocent, scared girls", "you can afford it", it's is only $50 and cheap comparatively", etc. This attitude is what jacks the market price up and makes it difficult for other mongers.
Having said that, I will end my contributions to this dialogue.
"Where's the pussy at?"
OAH
I was talking about the SZ KTV girl, Ting Hua, who stayed with me until noon the next day in SZ.
You are too negative and suspicious, and you got your facts mixed up.
About Bin Bin, the girl in ZH, I paid her 500Y for ST because I misheard the rate from Bill Lee. It was accidental. You should stop beating up people over accidental overpayment. It just pisses me off.
Perhaps it would help if we all focus on how mongers can have better times with the girls while not grossly overpaying market rates. You have had more than your share of problems with these girls. Perhaps it's your own atitudes or actions that bring out the worst in them. I would never want to treat people or be treated like that.
Even the street girls in SZ, CP and ZH have been very nice and polite with me. They would do exactly what we agreed to for the agreed price. I have never sensed any attempt to con me out of more money or any disrespect from them. I have not tried the many mamasans along the main street in Houjie between the Shanhu and Sheraton hotel. They are even lower keyed than other cities. I just have this feeling that Houjie coud offer much better street deals than other cities.
I sensed a lot of meanness from you guys towards these poor Chinese girls, and to be frank, I dont like it. Do you even consider that you have problems because of your atittudes or the way you treat them may be wrong?
When you have conflicts, did you try to resolve them in ways that will not make permanent enemies out of them and make it difficult for the next laowais?
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]OWL:
Please don't exaggerate. We were there. You had her for a standard ST period of time. When I knocked on your door after mine left, she was already gone. An hour at the most.
I do not want to belabor this point since it is a complete waste of time. Maybe it was miscommunication, maybe it was newbie "weakness in the knees" as Johnny puts it.
OAH[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=One Wing Low] Perhaps it's your own atitudes or actions that bring out the worst in them. I would never want to treat people or be treated like that.
Even the street girls in SZ, CP and ZH have been very nice and polite with me. They would do exactly what we agreed to for the agreed price. I have never sensed any attempt to con me out of more money or any disrespect from them.
I sensed a lot of meanness from you guys towards these poor Chinese girls, and to be frank, I dont like it. Do you even consider that you have problems because of your atittudes or the way you treat them may be wrong?
When you have conflicts, did you try to resolve them in ways that will not make permanent enemies out of them and make it difficult for the next laowais?[/QUOTE]
Listen One Wing Low, the rest of us also love'em and kiss'em, and the girls do us too, but at the end of the day it's all about business. They are SELLING pussy. If we pay more than the going rate then the going rate goes up.
Now, Donald Trump wouldn't give a shit, but SZexpat would. Naturally, WE would wish Donald to go fuck off. So if you also pay more than others, just like Donald, then other mongers will naturally not be happy about you.
Sure, if you buy the girls expensive gifts or give them bundles of extra cash you will get some better service and more girlfriendly hugs, but it will also help fuck up the going rate and we don't like that.
Now stop overpaying or we will not accept that drink you promised.
If you have too much money you can send it to me, that will not cause inflation in the pussy market. Give it to OAH, he's an honest man, he'll hold it for me until I get back.
OWL,
First, I apologize for the mixup. Weelock referred to two girls and I assumed you were addressing the latter. In any event, I gave you the benefit of the doubt with respect to miscommunication.
I know I said that I would not comment anymore on the subject, but you asked the questions.
Now, I will ask you this question. How many girls in China have you done? I've lived in China over 10 years and done over 1,000 girls. I speak the language reasonably well, especially in a mongering environment. One is bound to have some problems with that many encounters. I would not say any more than normal. Most were based on girls trying to extort more than the standard price out of me. This may be the result of overpaying by a previous monger or that I am a laowai. I normally resolve the conflicts with money to avoid hassles later.
On the other hand, you have been to China twice for a total of around 2-3 weeks if I remember correctly. Does this make you an expert?
I think I understand the scene here a bit more than you do.
I treat the girls with the same amount of respect that they extend to me. I agree that if you treat them nicely, they may give better service. I think the difference is the way we look at these girls. They are pros, albeit for whatever reason. The provide sex for money. There is no romantic involvement whatsoever from either side of the relationship. If you know them well enough and you ask them the truth, they will tell you this. IMHO, if you try to read anymore into this, you are fooling yourself. If you take them often, the service will get better over time. This I agree with. But, the relationship remains commercial. Of course, there are exceptions. I am not saying that these girls do not have the capacity for love. Many of them already have boyfriends. Some of them will fall for the "I'm going to take you away from this" line and fall in love with a punter if he sees them long enough. But, believe me, they hear this line all the time.
Maybe I am too suspicious and negative, but I have seen it all. I could go on and on, but I will stop this rambling now.
I propose a truce so that we can get back onto the subject of the forum.
OAH
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]I was talking about the SZ KTV girl, Ting Hua, who stayed with me until noon the next day in SZ.
You are too negative and suspicious, and you got your facts mixed up.
About Bin Bin, the girl in ZH, I paid her 500Y for ST because I misheard the rate from Bill Lee. It was accidental. You should stop beating up people over accidental overpayment. It just pisses me off.
Perhaps it would help if we all focus on how mongers can have better times with the girls while not grossly overpaying market rates. You have had more than your share of problems with these girls. Perhaps it's your own atitudes or actions that bring out the worst in them. I would never want to treat people or be treated like that.
Even the street girls in SZ, CP and ZH have been very nice and polite with me. They would do exactly what we agreed to for the agreed price. I have never sensed any attempt to con me out of more money or any disrespect from them. I have not tried the many mamasans along the main street in Houjie between the Shanhu and Sheraton hotel. They are even lower keyed than other cities. I just have this feeling that Houjie coud offer much better street deals than other cities.
I sensed a lot of meanness from you guys towards these poor Chinese girls, and to be frank, I dont like it. Do you even consider that you have problems because of your atittudes or the way you treat them may be wrong?
When you have conflicts, did you try to resolve them in ways that will not make permanent enemies out of them and make it difficult for the next laowais?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Weelock]
You have to remember these girls usually have low education. Most don’t want to be prostitutes. Two of them told me they don’t like being working girls, but they have to make a living somehow. [/QUOTE]
Szexpat:
Sorry, I know my write is not the greatest.
What I meant was the two girls that I have been giving big tips told me they don't like being working girls. These two I have known for a few years and are good friends. There are also been others that told me they hated working as working girls. I remember a girl told me this, the next week I went back to see her they told me she already quite.
OWL:
From the history of ISG/WSG, I would say OAH is the most experienced and helpful member in Southern China. He has well over 1500 posts. There are others but since they don't post or don't want to post anymore, I don't know who they are for sure. ( "Cronin" comes to mind but he is not active ) For N. China since I usually don't read the other threads, I can't comment about the North. I beleive OAH is also an expert in Thailand. So, you should respect OAH point of view and thinking.
For KTVs in the South, I would say Moody would be the best source for information. His opinions should be respected on KTVs.
[QUOTE=OWL]
I sensed a lot of meanness from you guys towards these poor Chinese girls, and to be frank, I dont like it. Do you even consider that you have problems because of your attitudes or the way you treat them may be wrong? [/QUOTE]
What in the world gave you the impression we treat these Chinese girls poorly and mean. In my opinion, you should treat them nice but don't trust them. Like don't let them out of your sight and be cautions.
Johnny:
When war breaks out, it can spill over into other borders.
Can we move on to something else?
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]
I sensed a lot of meanness from you guys towards these poor Chinese girls, and to be frank, I dont like it. Do you even consider that you have problems because of your atittudes or the way you treat them may be wrong?
[/QUOTE]
When all is said and done, the girls are still prostitutes. There's nothing wrong with that, especially since I benefit from it. The thing is though, there's NOTHING poor about them. These girls typically make somewhere in the neighborhood of 5000-20,000RMB a month. Typical salary for a college graduate working at an international firm is 5000RMB a month. If an uneducated girl with no other skill except fucking guys can make that much money, more power to them, but please don't be under any illusion that they do this for any other reason than money. If you don't give them the money, they're not gonna fuck you or anything else for that matter.
Somewhere along the line, all these girls made the conscious decision to fuck for money because it's so much easier than the alternative. What are the alternatives? Working at a factory for 800-1500RMB a month. Working as service staff at restaurants, hotels, etc., etc., 600-1200RMB a month. Going to college for 4 years after finishing high school and getting a degree and then working for a large multinational, 3000-5000RMB a month but requires 5-7 years of additional schooling in addition to tuition money. All these girls pretty much decided that none of these were for them because they much rather have the quick and easy money.
Finally, please don't tell me you respect them either. If you were to introduce one of these girls to your mother, would you tell your mother that she fucks guys for $25 a pop? Of course not. If the girl were a physics professor at Beijing University but making only a quarter of the money the hooker makes, would you tell your mother? Of course you would and you would be proud of that fact.
You may very well like the girls, and you may respect them for being a nice/good person, but please don't tell me you respect what they do. Please don't tell me they work hard. I've toured dozens of factories where girls REALLY work hard. Personally, I much prefer evil girls who are awesome in the sack to "nice" girls who are dead fish. Never ever forget, when you get down to the nitty gritty, it's all about the money. Nothing more. Everything else like romance, friendship, intimacy, those are nothing more than illusions. If you want the girl to like you more, it's really very easy, give her more money. That will make her happier than anything else you can do.
P.S. Don't ever believe tales girls tell you because they ALL lie. The absolute best liars are the ones that look really innocent with doe eyes and look about 18 years old. Those girls are the most calculating and you gotta be careful with those.
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]I sensed a lot of meanness from you guys towards these poor Chinese girls, and to be frank, I dont like it. Do you even consider that you have problems because of your atittudes or the way you treat them may be wrong?[/QUOTE]
You think throwing large sums of money at them earns their respect? How about being nice, polite and a gentleman? If you wanna go a step further, how about treating her to McDonalds or a meal at Happy Together??
Don't justify your overspending by saying we are mean to the "poor" girls!
Sugar Daddy's, are just fucking up the market for the rest of us by passing out cash like it's candy.
-SZE
I don't think you can compare what you see at your local bars in the U.S. with the college age girls we see at the BBS.
Santa. You need to hang out at the local college bars.
You comparing apple pies with Mandarin oranges.
Agreed, the U.S. is not good for pussy hunting. The good economy in rural Iowa has not forced any of those farm girls to come out to the big city to make extra money yet.
Bill
[QUOTE=Santa]
I love the States too, but it ain't no good for pussy huntin'. OAH wants to know "where's the pussy at?", well it ain't here! When I go to the local bar I see most of the ladies are fat and ugly. Most of our liberated american women spend their evenings in front of the TV gorging themselves with pepsi, pizza and cakes. I recently read that the average american walks for only 30 minutes a week. Need I say more?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]I don't think you can compare what you see at your local bars in the U.S. with the college age girls we see at the BBS.
Santa. You need to hang out at the local college bars.
You comparing apple pies and Mandarin oranges.
Agreed, the U.S. is not good for pussy hunting. The good economy in rural Iowa has not forced any of those farm girls to come out to the big city to make extra money yet.
Bill[/QUOTE]Well, I suppose that would be the upside of Bushies wonderful handling of the US economy. Let's all root for the economy to go into the tank so that all those Iowa farm girls look for work in the big city. Then I can happily move back to the US!
Farm girls rock!
Oldasiahand, could you give me directions on how to get to the CP catacombs. I went to CP many times and have never heard of this place.
Thanks.
[QUOTE=Cpaddict]Oldasiahand, could you give me directions on how to get to the CP catacombs. I went to CP many times and have never heard of this place.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]
The direction is...RTFF...as simple it is...use the search function...isn't it?
LW
PS:
Would you have written "the" magic word in your request, I would have posted a direct way to get the requested information...just to let you know how the things are going on here...m2c
OWL. Don't take all of this shit personally, ALL of us have overpaid during our mongering careers.
I have already confessed to overpaying by 20rmb in the catacombs and I can only guess at what OAH said when Cappy and Cronin told him, and it probably went something like this...."that fucking Santa, some of these fucking guys are so fucking stupid, he actually expected the girl to have the change, that fucking moron, I've wiped more intelligent life onto fucking toilet paper", etc.
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mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.............had a Tangxia report removed. Wonder why?
Just found it in the Zuhai thread. Must be too much pussy.
There's an expression that goes something like" ...Santa's forgotten more about mongering then most of us will learn in a life-time..."
[QUOTE=Santa]I have already confessed to overpaying by 20rmb in the catacombs and I can only guess at what OAH said when Cappy and Cronin told him, and it probably went something like this...."that fucking Santa, some of these fucking guys are so fucking stupid, he actually expected the girl to have the change, that fucking moron, I've wiped more intelligent life onto fucking toilet paper", etc.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Pirate1]really depends mate on location at home,
pirate1[/QUOTE]
I was able to get college age freebies in my younger years, but at my present age it has becomes very difficult. Most good looking and sexy american girls are looking for guys who are also young and beautiful.
I recently scored with an incredible beautiful american university girl, only 23, but it didn't last.
[QUOTE=Santa]I was able to get college age freebies in my younger years, but at my present age it has becomes very difficult. Most good looking and sexy american girls are looking for guys who are also young and beautiful.
I recently scored with an incredible beautiful american university girl, only 23, but it didn't last.[/QUOTE]
You brought up a good point here Santa,
"Most good looking and sexy American girls are looking for guys who are also young and beautiful."
May be it is true for the young and naive girls in China. But it is not true when they started out to work. In Asia, a lot of them found out the hard way; "Young and Good looking" cannot feed them. They know it straightway only money can.
Tell me how many times have you seen in China a fat ugly looking guy walking with a beautiful girl next ti him? Countless! (Sorry... not aiming this at anyone on the board but this is a fact and apply to locals as well).
So saying that you are young, good looking and hoping to pick up girls with a snap of your fingers??? Try it back home in The States, yes, but the results can be disappointing in Asia especially China!
BTW: Somehow the key letter of the Alphabet in CP is the letter “M”. Yes it stands for “Money” but it also stands for “McDonalds”…! Hahahaha… just found out from last night, from another freebie in making; she and her fellow co-worker’s favorite food is McDonalds! As mentioned in my post a month ago…. The girls here love McDonalds!
Enjoy!
AG
Hey, Y'all --
Will be back in CP from May 3 through May 24 and would love to meet up with anyone who's in the neighborhood. Maybe even go down (up?) to Houjie and check it out.
Had a great time in March/April, due largely to the other guys who were there, although the girls helped, too. I'll be at the Miraton and will be happy to hear from anyone by PM who will be around. Or send me your mobile number and I'll send you mine.
Hoping to see a bunch of you, and to meet the legendary Fast Eddie.
RS
Hit CP yesterday with AG. On the way into CP, there is a big building with all the windows blinded/shuttered so we figured there must be some action to be had . But after entering, it seems like a legit place (in CP!), where a body massage will run you 120-180 RMB, depending on the style. There was a men's and women's section, another clue that it was legit.
So on the search goes... We wanted to try a different place, so we decided to go to Fu Long sauna. It's away from the main drag in CP. Rooms were regular hotel rooms, bath was on the small side for a sauna, bed was OK. Bonus: mirrors on the walls in the bedroom.
We had a look at 2 lineups, quality wasn't that great, mostly 5-7 range. But mamasan tells us that the place is renowned for their service. We pick a girl each and it's off to the races. SOP of the girl bathing you, quick AR, BBBJ in the shower, started of with a CIM but she turned away half way through.
Dried off and then on to the bed. She gave an actual back massage for about 10 minutes, very unusual for a sauna girl. Fell nice, but she wasn't strong enough. Then it's on to the catbath, this girl has some serious suction power. She sucked on all 10 fingers but not on the toes as they do in some places. Long AR session with liquids and jello. Tip: if you want to prolong the AR session, get the girl to stroke your member from behind while she's doing it.
She flipped me over and gave me a nice, long, enthusiastic BBBJ. FJ in all positions. Had trouble popping the second time, so had her finished me off with more AR and BJ, no complaints whatsoever from her.
Overall, the mama did not lie, service was very good, girl was very friendly. AG reported a similar experience with his girl. This place is a bit off the beaten track in CP, so they probably have to provide superior service to get customers to come back.
AG talked to the mama, and apparently they don't get (m)any laowais there.
Place: Fu Long sauna (inside the Fu Long hotel)
How to get there: from the main street in CP, go past the Miraton, past the Virgin, make a left at the Lion hotel. Go for about 1 km then make a left at the Plutocrat hotel (there is a bridge there). Go for another 200 meters, the Fu Long hotel is on the righthand side.
Or tell the cabby: Fu Long hotel 富隆酒店, Jin he 2 road, 金河二路
Damage: 168 (room) + 300 (girl), they gave us a coupon so next time the room cost is only 100 RMB.
Length of time: 90 minutes, not counting the bath
Name: Zhou Ni
Age: 20
From: ChongQing
Number: 51
Looks: Face 8, body 7 (lots of cute body parts, but just too skinny)
AR: yes, lots of it
BBBJ: yes
WRTF: yes
GFE: yes, very much so which is very unusual for a sauna girl
On Saturday 7th April 11, 2007, The 90% of the Yalan BBS were raided by the local police and 200 girls, 20+ mummies were pulled in. The mummies were each fined 1000RMB and the girls were fined 500RMB each.
On Tuesday 10th April 2007, The first shop, in the small lane (besides the KTV) across the road from Yalan Hotel, was raided, 3 mummies, 20 girls were arrested. They are all currently detained for 24hours in the local Police Station and will be release tomorrow after a fine of 1000RMB each on the mummies and 500RMB each on the girls.
The clean up operation will continue till the Canton Fair is over. As the Canton fair gets closer; Police from Guangzhou will be deployed into smaller cities around Guangzhou for these cleanup operations. Heavier penalties such as longer jail terms will be imposed if the offenders are pulled in by the Guangzhou Central Police.
Have Fun and monger safe!
AG
[QUOTE=Wadman]Hit CP yesterday with AG. On the way into CP, there is a big building with all the windows blinded/shuttered so we figured there must be some action to be had . But after entering, it seems like a legit place (in CP!), where a body massage will run you 120-180 RMB, depending on the style. There was a men's and women's section, another clue that it was legit.
So on the search goes... We wanted to try a different place, so we decided to go to Fu Long sauna. It's away from the main drag in CP. Rooms were regular hotel rooms, bath was on the small side for a sauna, bed was OK. Bonus: mirrors on the walls in the bedroom.
We had a look at 2 lineups, quality wasn't that great, mostly 5-7 range. But mamasan tells us that the place is renowned for their service. We pick a girl each and it's off to the races. SOP of the girl bathing you, quick AR, BBBJ in the shower, started of with a CIM but she turned away half way through.
Dried off and then on to the bed. She gave an actual back massage for about 10 minutes, very unusual for a sauna girl. Fell nice, but she wasn't strong enough. Then it's on to the catbath, this girl has some serious suction power. She sucked on all 10 fingers but not on the toes as they do in some places. Long AR session with liquids and jello. Tip: if you want to prolong the AR session, get the girl to stroke your member from behind while she's doing it.
She flipped me over and gave me a nice, long, enthusiastic BBBJ. FJ in all positions. Had trouble popping the second time, so had her finished me off with more AR and BJ, no complaints whatsoever from her.
Overall, the mama did not lie, service was very good, girl was very friendly. AG reported a similar experience with his girl. This place is a bit off the beaten track in CP, so they probably have to provide superior service to get customers to come back.
AG talked to the mama, and apparently they don't get (m)any laowais there.
Place: Fu Long sauna (inside the Fu Long hotel)
How to get there: from the main street in CP, go past the Miraton, past the Virgin, make a left at the Lion hotel. Go for about 1 km then make a left at the Plutocrat hotel (there is a bridge there). Go for another 200 meters, the Fu Long hotel is on the righthand side.
Or tell the cabby: Fu Long hotel 富隆酒店, Jin he 2 road, 金河二路
Damage: 168 (room) + 300 (girl), they gave us a coupon so next time the room cost is only 100 RMB.
Length of time: 90 minutes, not counting the bath
Name: Zhou Ni
Age: 20
From: ChongQing
Number: 51
Looks: Face 8, body 7 (lots of cute body parts, but just too skinny)
AR: yes, lots of it
BBBJ: yes
WRTF: yes
GFE: yes, very much so which is very unusual for a sauna girl[/QUOTE]
to wadman
Fu long sauna is been around a long time over 10 yr , they have red rope before it was shut down about 3 yr ago have a raid and I when there about 2 year ago after they reopen and they only offer massage only , It is good to know they are offering FS again but it is far away and the room is not as good as New century or hui mei .
fast eddie 48
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]On Saturday 7th April 11, 2007, The 90% of the Yalan BBS were raided by the local police and 200 girls, 20+ mummies were pulled in. The mummies were each fined 1000RMB and the girls were fined 500RMB each.
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Have Fun and monger safe!
AG[/QUOTE]
Hi AG,
Do you hear anything about KTVs in CP. Were there any fallout to the KTVs?
From past history, there might be more and other raids because of the national holiday in early May around China.
Thanks for the update....
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]On Saturday 7th April 11, 2007, The 90% of the Yalan BBS were raided by the local police and 200 girls, 20+ mummies were pulled in. The mummies were each fined 1000RMB and the girls were fined 500RMB each.
Have Fun and monger safe!
AG[/QUOTE]
AG
Thanks for the update. i was planning to head back early in May but I guess that i will delay and go there later in May so that the "winds" has blown over. Thanks...for the update. hope to hookup with you one of these days.. have already met the great emperor "OAH". best
[QUOTE=Rising Son]Hey, Y'all --
Will be back in CP from May 3 through May 24 and would love to meet up with anyone who's in the neighborhood. Maybe even go down (up?) to Houjie and check it out.
Had a great time in March/April, due largely to the other guys who were there, although the girls helped, too. I'll be at the Miraton and will be happy to hear from anyone by PM who will be around. Or send me your mobile number and I'll send you mine.
Hoping to see a bunch of you, and to meet the legendary Fast Eddie.
RS[/QUOTE]RS,
I am new to this forum but have been to CP only once exactly 1 year ago. My buddy who I went with will not be available this time around as I will be there alone from May 4 to May 22. I would like to meet up with you since you will be there around the same time. Drop me a note if that will work.
AsianBleu
[quote=weelock]hi ag,
do you hear anything about ktvs in cp. were there any fallout to the ktvs?
from past history, there might be more and other raids because of the national holiday in early may around china.
thanks for the update....[/quote]
checks on the ktv and saunas were conducted occasionally. these are checks on **** girls or girls without ids. the ktvs and saunas are asking those girls without ids to go home and return with their ids. some of the bigger more established ktvs and saunas had ids as one of the requirements to work there. but the main targets are the bbss.
latest updates;
the night market is also the next target in the next one to two day. so stay away from there for the mean time.
ag
[QUOTE=Bnlee2]AG
Thanks for the update. i was planning to head back early in May but I guess that i will delay and go there later in May so that the "winds" has blown over. Thanks...for the update. hope to hookup with you one of these days.. have already met the great emperor "OAH". best[/QUOTE]
Not to worry BN, There are a lot more places to monger and are not affected by the cleanups.
Perhaps you should join us in our road trip? OAH and I will be doing that some time mid May?
AG
Will be arriving at the Miraton around 24th of this month and have a room booked for a few days.
A question how secure are the rooms for leaving a laptop in while I am out of the hotel?
Would appreciate a reply.
KK
Someone could make a good business offering web-based escort services for the girls in SZ, CP and ZH for a cut with the mummies who are constantly raided and jailed.
With the servers outside of China, payment by credit cards or PAYPAL ect...the girls would not become public nuissances that embarrass the government, therefore not likely to get busted.
The mongers will benefit by sitting safely and easily in their hotel rooms, perusing large numbers of pics of the girls, disregarding the pigs, and ordering up dozens line ups a day with little effort. They can check out how how real certain features on their bodies, how bad some girls smell, or how nasty their personality... in the privacy and comfort of their rooms.
The Chinese police would need years to figure out this scheme and the government would need years to draft up new laws to bust it.
I wonder why the HK guys who run the escort service sites in HK are not expanding their services into China????
Hi All,
This is my first time in the forum and have been reading all the great comments each of you have posted. I am a newbie coming to CP for the 2nd time. The last time was back in May 06. I am hoping to meet up with anyone especially the senior members that have contributed greatly to this forum. I will be in CP from May 4 until May 22 if anyone will like to take a newbie around. Please PM me if you are interested in meeting up. I will also need any recommendation for hotels as well.
Thanks
AsianBleu
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]Someone could make a good business offering web-based escort services for the girls in SZ, CP and ZH for a cut with the mummies who are constantly raided and jailed.
With the servers outside of China, payment by credit cards or PAYPAL ect...the girls would not become public nuissances that embarrass the government, therefore not likely to get busted.
The mongers will benefit by sitting safely and easily in their hotel rooms, perusing large numbers of pics of the girls, disregarding the pigs, and ordering up dozens line ups a day with little effort. They can check out how how real certain features on their bodies, how bad some girls smell, or how nasty their personality... in the privacy and comfort of their rooms.
The Chinese police would need years to figure out this scheme and the government would need years to draft up new laws to bust it.
I wonder why the HK guys who run the escort service sites in HK are not expanding their services into China????[/QUOTE]
To many girls, not enough organization and the girls are highly transitional...they come and go from month to month, so no way to market that and no mommy is gonna spend the money to advertise on the website and/or purchase glamour photos for the girls since they don't stick around anyway. The girls in HK on ****** are pros, the majority of the girls in CP are not.
I think CP is fine just the way it is, when it becomes to commerical, prices go up, service goes down and far to many international swinging dicks will be out, thus it will be a black eye for the Chinese goverment and they would close it down rather than lose face or be bashed by the international "do-gooder" agencies.
Santa,
Truth be told, Cronin paid as much as 100 RMB if the girls let him take pictures so your 50 RMB was not that bad. I've also had several of the girls quote me 50 RMB claiming that was the laowai price, especially from the better looking ones. Of course, I refused to pay more than 30 RMB.
I am sure I have overpaid when I did not know any better, but I make it my mission to find out what the correct price should be.
Just my POV.
OAH
[QUOTE=Santa]OWL. Don't take all of this shit personally, ALL of us have overpaid during our mongering careers.
I have already confessed to overpaying by 20rmb in the catacombs and I can only guess at what OAH said when Cappy and Cronin told him, and it probably went something like this...."that fucking Santa, some of these fucking guys are so fucking stupid, he actually expected the girl to have the change, that fucking moron, I've wiped more intelligent life onto fucking toilet paper", etc.[/QUOTE]
Are you aware that the guys in Hong Kong running the site were on trial?
[url]http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20051005_3.htm[/url]
I don't know of the outcome. I do know that the site is still up and running.
The same pimping charge could probably apply to them if they ran the same site in USA or China.
Setting up such a site could be even more embarrassing to the government, since it's now global for the world to see. Not only that, you're inferring that it will be also in English. One successful site will bred other sites. Can you imagine hundreds of such sites? More embarrassment to the government.
With a lack of civil rights in China and the strong threat of imprisonment from the government, wouldn't think that the police can easily find anyone operating an Internet site?
Szexpat is right, there's just too many outside organizations that will jump on this sex trade and the girls there are transit workers and not pros.
And who really wants their picture on the net and be ID as a prostitute in China? Don't forget prostitutions is legal in Hong Kong but not in China.
Just my 2 cents,
Bill
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]Someone could make a good business offering web-based escort services for the girls in SZ, CP and ZH for a cut with the mummies who are constantly raided and jailed.
With the servers outside of China, payment by credit cards or PAYPAL ect...the girls would not become public nuissances that embarrass the government, therefore not likely to get busted.
The mongers will benefit by sitting safely and easily in their hotel rooms, perusing large numbers of pics of the girls, disregarding the pigs, and ordering up dozens line ups a day with little effort. They can check out how how real certain features on their bodies, how bad some girls smell, or how nasty their personality... in the privacy and comfort of their rooms.
The Chinese police would need years to figure out this scheme and the government would need years to draft up new laws to bust it.
I wonder why the HK guys who run the escort service sites in HK are not expanding their services into China????[/QUOTE]
But many of your oversize laptop may not fit in. My ultraportable, measuring 12.5 inches diagonally fits in with room to spare. I suppose that a 14" laptop could still fit in at an angle?
I rarely leave my room with the laptop in the open. Room safe in 4 star hotel are relatively safe (so to speak).
Of course, you can leave your laptop with the front desk but I don't know if they provide larger safe in the lobby? Shoot them a fax or e-mail, asking about the use of their front desk safe. Let us know of the result?
[url]http://www.miratonhotel.com/english/main-e.htm[/url]
Bill
[QUOTE=Kit Karson]Will be arriving at the Miraton around 24th of this month and have a room booked for a few days.
A question how secure are the rooms for leaving a laptop in while I am out of the hotel?
Would appreciate a reply.
KK[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]
I wonder why the HK guys who run the escort service sites in HK are not expanding their services into China????[/QUOTE]
You know why?
If they bust you, they'll just shoot you.
hahahaha!
AG
[QUOTE=Kit Karson]Will be arriving at the Miraton around 24th of this month and have a room booked for a few days.
A question how secure are the rooms for leaving a laptop in while I am out of the hotel?
Would appreciate a reply.
KK[/QUOTE]
I never had anything stolen from me while staying in Miraton. I left my laptop on my table when I go to showers or go out to monger. Although it is small enough to fit into the safe, (at the size I can fit 4 of them in the safe!) I never need to do that at all. I remembered once I accidentally left my wallet on the table (I thought I had locked it up in the safe), when I returned, the house keeping had already made up my room and she/he left a small note on top of my Wallet to remind me to keep my wallet in the safe.
But it would be wise to only carry less than 1000RMB cash, leave your Passport, Wallet in the safe when you go out. Like what Santa recommended, carry a photo copy of your passport with you. If you are stop by the police for anything, always remember the hotel number or carry the hotel card, call back to the hotel and have them speak to the police.
AG
old Bill has to ride in the trunk again?
Thanks,
Bill
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Not to worry BN, There are a lot more places to monger and are not affected by the cleanups.
Perhaps you should join us in our road trip? OAH and I will be doing that some time mid May?
AG[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]old Bill has to ride in the trunk again?
Thanks,
Bill[/QUOTE]
Yah why not? You always fell asleep once we got on the road! The trunk gives you more space to sleep!
AG
[QUOTE=Kit Karson]Will be arriving at the Miraton around 24th of this month and have a room booked for a few days.
A question how secure are the rooms for leaving a laptop in while I am out of the hotel?
Would appreciate a reply.
KK[/QUOTE]
I could put my notebook with dimension 33.5x29x5 cm + supplies + other small valuable things (wallet, passport...) into the in-room safe without any problem.
Nothing is 100% safe, for such safes there is always a magic number to open it when customer forget his magic number. Anyway, I always felt and still feel safe when staying at Miraton and other hotels. Of course you have to watch your items as lower the rate and environmental condition are going, meaning staying in "deep" countryside and real local "hotels".
LW
[QUOTE=AsianBleu]Hi All,
This is my first time in the forum and have been reading all the great comments each of you have posted. I am a newbie coming to CP for the 2nd time. The last time was back in May 06. I am hoping to meet up with anyone especially the senior members that have contributed greatly to this forum. I will be in CP from May 4 until May 22 if anyone will like to take a newbie around. Please PM me if you are interested in meeting up. I will also need any recommendation for hotels as well.
Thanks
AsianBleu[/QUOTE]
For hotel recommendations I only can say RTFF. By doing this you also will find enough information about locations in CP and how to go there (hint - search for "Google Earth").
But, I also know that it's more easier and convenient to do this in a group or with a guide. For this, I recommend not to wait until somebody will contact you...be more active and contact members by yourself, because you maybe are in need for "helping" hands...not other members. m2c
LW
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]The trunk gives you more space to sleep![/QUOTE]
...as long space is not used for OAHs "Red Boots - Road Trip Emergency Kit" and your inflatable love...:D
LW
[QUOTE=Laowai123]...as long space is not used for OAHs "Red Boots - Road Trip Emergency Kit" and your inflatable love...:D
LW[/QUOTE]
Oh I forgot, it will be very comfortable as it will be fill up with packs of rubbers!
AG
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]Santa,
Truth be told, Cronin paid as much as 100 RMB if the girls let him take pictures so your 50 RMB was not that bad. I've also had several of the girls quote me 50 RMB claiming that was the laowai price, especially from the better looking ones. Of course, I refused to pay more than 30 RMB.
I am sure I have overpaid when I did not know any better, but I make it my mission to find out what the correct price should be.
Just my POV.
OAH[/QUOTE]
Frankly, Although some of the girls are ok looking...but I wouldn't stick my dick into any of their pussy even if they pay me! The catacombs is as low as it can get!
AG
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]You know why?
If they bust you, they'll just shoot you.
hahahaha!
AG[/QUOTE]
In fact, the triads have already expanded into China but the competition is fairly deadly. That is why they are content doing the local business (HK) which is profitable and less dangerous.
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]old Bill has to ride in the trunk again?
Thanks,
Bill[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Yah why not? You always fell asleep once we got on the road! The trunk gives you more space to sleep!
AG[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Laowai123]...as long space is not used for OAHs "Red Boots - Road Trip Emergency Kit" and your inflatable love...:D
LW[/QUOTE]
I was wondering who has the Emergency Kit and Bill's inflatable love doll now. I like to join you guys on your next road trip.
I hope OAH's airbags are working. He, He, He.....I certainly don't want to be rear-ended, Butt F...u...c.....
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=64384[/url]
Called the hotel and asked them if larger items could be left at their front desk to be placed in their safe and the answer was yes.
However she also said that the safe in room would take a laptop and they had not had any incidents in room for a long time.
Thanks for the help. Look forward to seeing some of you while I am out he-ing and a she-ing for a few days.
kk
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]But many of your oversize laptop may not fit in. My ultraportable, measuring 12.5 inches diagonally fits in with room to spare. I suppose that a 14" laptop could still fit in at an angle?
I rarely leave my room with the laptop in the open. Room safe in 4 star hotel are relatively safe (so to speak).
Of course, you can leave your laptop with the front desk but I don't know if they provide larger safe in the lobby? Shoot them a fax or e-mail, asking about the use of their front desk safe. Let us know of the result?
[url]http://www.miratonhotel.com/english/main-e.htm[/url]
Bill[/QUOTE]Honestly, I've been at Hui Hwa and Hui Mei regularly and NEVER had a problem with security at either place in the room. They are strict, and I've even left a 20RMB and 50RMB in my pockets doing laundry and the staff will knock on my door and give it back to me. They could've easily pocketed it.
However, if you are REALLY anal, then use the security lock feature that's sold for laptops. $20 USD and you can get a metal cable. Doubt someone will be sawing through the fixtures to get to that.
I've always had my laptop, iPod, etc. And left it out and NEVER had problems. I usually put the smaller things in the safe, and if I was concerned, would zip up the larger things in my suit case and lock my suit case and put it in the closet.
They'd have to go through LOTS of trouble and hallways rigged with security cameras to get away with it. If that happens. Then I guess it was meant to be.
What I'd be careful of is hiding information on hard drives and on laptops. I'm concerned my data could be compromised, especially VERY compromising pictures, etc.
I'm with Jetsetter. I leave stuff out in the open all the time including laptops. I've never had anything taken from me. Being cautious is one thing, but being paranoid all the time can ruin your fun too.
I've also stayed there countless times and never had a problem. I always leave my laptop on the desk, but lock up extra money in the safe.
[QUOTE=Moody]I'm with Jetsetter. I leave stuff out in the open all the time including laptops. I've never had anything taken from me. Being cautious is one thing, but being paranoid all the time can ruin your fun too.[/QUOTE]
I just wouldn't throw caution to the wind and leave your valuables in the open when you're not there.
How many times have we walked passed a open room in the Miraton and see the employee working the bathroom or no employee in it. It just take one bad hotel guest or an off duty working girl to sneak into the room and take your stuff.
Agreed, the better hotel are more honest. In fact, at the nearby New Century Hotel, I left my safe open and it cause the assistant manager to make a report on it. The open safe was found by the cleaning staff. They even asked me to count my money to make sure it was all there.
I'm not paranoid, just like to use caution.
BTW, on my last trip, my phone was pickpocketed in the GZ subway. My passport was lost (or stolen). But I'm a typical New Yorker, I lock up everything. When I see a flock of unattended sheep headed my way, I immediately lock the car doors.
BTW, when you bring in a working girl, put away all your valuables. Even the laptop or large items. Don't let them use the laptop or other valuables against you when the situation turns sour. They can easily threaten you by dropping or knocking your notebook off the desk.
[QUOTE=Jettsetter]
They'd have to go through LOTS of trouble and hallways rigged with security cameras to get away with it. If that happens. Then I guess it was meant to be.[/QUOTE]
Not if it can be prevented. Who knows whether those cameras are even manned or real. It's really not alot of trouble for uninvited guest to walk into the hotel and walk off with the guest's valuable. I have never seen any of the working girls get ID at the lobby during the day. We have heard already of one instance where one of us did get rip off in his hotel room by a working girl. Is this same girl beyond stealing from another room on her way out?
That's just me,
Bill
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]
Not if it can be prevented. Who knows whether those cameras are even manned or real. It's really not alot of trouble for uninvited guest to walk into the hotel and walk off with the guest's valuable. I have never seen any of the working girls get ID at the lobby during the day. We have heard already of one instance where one of us did get rip off in his hotel room by a working girl. Is this same girl beyond stealing from another room on her way out?
That's just me,
Bill[/QUOTE]
I had been to control rooms of several 4 -5 Stars hotel where the central security control is located. The Camera monitors are manned 24hours a day. But! all you need is one lazy security guard to fall asleep during his shift.
AG
I rather lose $2,000 US cash than a $1,000 laptop. How valuable is the content of your laptop?
I have never lost a laptop in a hotel but it only takes a minute to lock it up in the safe.
With my luck, one day, I'll come back to the room and the room safe is gone.
BTW, I was in one hotel in BJ and the room safe was not bolted down. I guess someone easily can put a room safe in their empty carry-on.
Bill
[QUOTE=Kit Karson]Will be arriving at the Miraton around 24th of this month and have a room booked for a few days.
A question how secure are the rooms for leaving a laptop in while I am out of the hotel?
Would appreciate a reply.
KK[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]How valuable is the content of your laptop?
Bill[/QUOTE]
Depends who you work for, CIA or NSC ;)
I sure wouldn't want my secrets in someone else's dirty hands, IMHO.
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]I rather lose $2,000 US cash than a $1,000 laptop. How valuable is the content of your laptop?
I have never lost a laptop in a hotel but it only takes a minute to lock it up in the safe.
With my luck, one day, I'll come back to the room and the room safe is gone.
BTW, I was in one hotel in BJ and the room safe was not bolted down. I guess someone easily can put a room safe in their empty carry-on.
Bill[/QUOTE]Bill or anyone who knows,
Because I normally go to CP alone (from the US) and stay for 12-18 days at a time, I often spend 3-4 hours each morning in an internet cafe. Now that you brought up the subject about laptop, would you mind addressing my concerns? Thanks.
1) What kind of internet service most hotel provides? DSL or wireless?
2) If I bring my laptop from the States, do I have to worry about converting power from 110V (US) to 220V (China)? what accessories, if any, do I need to bring? like transformer, DSL cord, etc.
3) As an American, do we have to worry about raids? Of course, I'm not out looking for trouble. But if I happen to be at the wrong place, what should I do? Act dumb?
[QUOTE=Jwtong]Bill or anyone who knows,
Because I normally go to CP alone (from the US) and stay for 12-18 days at a time, I often spend 3-4 hours each morning in an internet cafe. Now that you brought up the subject about laptop, would you mind addressing my concerns? Thanks.
1) What kind of internet service most hotel provides? DSL or wireless?
2) If I bring my laptop from the States, do I have to worry about converting power from 110V (US) to 220V (China)? what accessories, if any, do I need to bring? like transformer, DSL cord, etc.
3) As an American, do we have to worry about raids? Of course, I'm not out looking for trouble. But if I happen to be at the wrong place, what should I do? Act dumb?[/QUOTE]
Answers below:
1) Most 4 & 5 Stars hotels in the bigger cities provide ADSL. Most of them in 5 Stars are not free. Wireless is something that is unheard of in most parts of China. However China Unicom provides a subscription base wireless Internet (CDMA) that covers most parts of China. You need to purchase a device approx 1200RMB (USB or PCM/CIA card) and a CDMA SIM with 60 mins of usage per month which will cost about 1500 / year.
2) Most laptops have auto switching power supply. Check you power supply for the voltage. It should read something like 110 ~ 240V What you need only to worry about is the power socket. China uses the “V” shape 220 Volts sockets. Most hotels also provide the sockets with two flat pins (Similar to American but without the rounded Earth pin).
3) On RAIDs, yes you should first RTFF for the latest read on ISG. You should also carry at least a Photo copy of your passport, the number of your hotel or any photo ID that shows that you are an American Citizen. If you are not American Chinese or Asian looking, they will normally ask to fuck off! Most of the time, the local Police will not bother to go through the trouble of pulling a non-citizen of China. The exception if you had committed a serious act or you got pulled in by the Secret Police.
Enjoy!
AG
china's national wireless internet access is too slow. too slow for voip and slingbox transmission. i had look into it and it's not worth getting. unless you need instance e-mail reception and that's what it's good for.
most 4-5 stars hotels in big city do charge you extra for internet access but i have found that the local internet cafe beat them by 1/10 of the price. but the disadvantage is that i have been only 1 in 4 internet cafe that allowed me to plug in my laptop. if you're in a major city, starbuck has free wireless internet access but that was last dec. things change in china so you'll never know if it's still free today.
i have measured ul speed in miraton and new century and they were fast as 400kps. not super fast but fast enough to do work and be connect to the us. also fast enough to connect my slingbox module and watch real time tv from san franscisco. but at the shitty jin yu hotel next to the gd regency in zh, the speed was at 56k and my cat5 cable would not even work with their lower speed.
if you're staying at the miraton, new century or lucky hotel, they can rent you a room with a computer and internet access for an extra 30 to 50rmb per day.
as ag had stated, nearly all chinese hotel do not offer wireless. but you can always bring your own wireless router. i thought about this one : wrt54gc, [url]http://www.linksys.com/servlet/satellite?c=l_product_c2&childpagename=us%2flayout&cid=1115416825655&pagename=linksys%2fcommon%2fvisitorwrapper&lid=2565539789b09[/url]
but that's more shit to carry with you.
regarding the voltage, ag is right again. practically all us laptop ac adapter are 100-240 ac and will auto switch when you're in china. you just need an outlet adapter for to plug into the wall or outlet switch. hotel can easily provide. my dell laptop bought last november and fujitsu two years ago both automatically switch from 120 to 240 when i connect in china. just look on your adapter box for something like 100~240v and you're set. otherwise some hotel will give you a transformer to use for free.
one thing i do suggest is maybe bring a rj45 coupler and a 6' to 12' cat5 wire with you in case you're not happy being tie to the hotel room desk. i like running my laptop on my bed. hotels that offer internet access will provide the free cat5 cable.
again, ag is right. always have a copy of your us passport with you china visa in your pocket. leave the original in the hotel room safe. best to pretend you don't understand chinese even if you are chinese. works for me but that always depend on the situation. even with the working girls. there's times that i have a sour situation with the girls and all i would say to them was that i don't understand and eventually they give up on their demand and leave or let me leave. in fact one situation i had in zh and oah also had a situation too that day was with a girl who threaten to get her "big brother" if i didn't pay more. i keep saying that i didn't understand in mandarin and after five minutes, she gave up, slam the door and left.
lately, i have been carrying this all-in-one cable solutions with me:
[url]http://learn2earnnow.biz/cgi-bin/apf4/amazon_products_feed.cgi?searchindex=electronics&operation=itemsearch&manufacturer=emerald+point+publications[/url]
keyword in a google search is etcablekit6
that's my extra 2 cent.
bill
[quote=jwtong]bill or anyone who knows,
because i normally go to cp alone (from the us) and stay for 12-18 days at a time, i often spend 3-4 hours each morning in an internet cafe. now that you brought up the subject about laptop, would you mind addressing my concerns? thanks.
1) what kind of internet service most hotel provides? dsl or wireless?
2) if i bring my laptop from the states, do i have to worry about converting power from 110v (us) to 220v (china)? what accessories, if any, do i need to bring? like transformer, dsl cord, etc.
3) as an american, do we have to worry about raids? of course, i'm not out looking for trouble. but if i happen to be at the wrong place, what should i do? act dumb?[/quote]
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]
Best to pretend you don't understand Chinese even if you are Chinese. Works for me but that always depend on the situation.
Bill[/QUOTE]
Bill,
This is not always the case. I remember one specific time in Sha Tsui, SZ when the LE were not happy with you and thought you were just bullshitting them about not speaking Chinese. If Mr. B were not there to swear by it and bail you out, you might have had some trouble.
It works much better for laowais whereby it is more believable for them.
Just my POV.
OAH
AG and Bill,
Thanks for your prompt and useful reply and advice. I am an oversea Chinese who left Hk some 30 years ago and do not know a word of mandarin. Like you (Bill), I think acting dumb in difficult and tricky situations is probably best for us Asians playing in China.
As far as rooms with computer, I thought Walter ($40 more a day) and WW are the only hotels that have them. It's good to know that Lucky has them also. I will be heading to China for the second time this year in August. Would some of you (CP-oldtimers) be kind enough to show me the "right" way of "FL" shopping as I do not have the nerve to go from FL to FL by myself (even though I've been to CP 6 times already in the past 3 years). Thanks.
[QUOTE=Jwtong]
Because I normally go to CP alone (from the US) and stay for 12-18 days at a time
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3) As an American, do we have to worry about raids? Of course, I'm not out looking for trouble. But if I happen to be at the wrong place, what should I do? Act dumb?[/QUOTE]
I agree with AG, unless you committed a serious crime, most likely the police will leave you alone in a RAID but there are stories to the exception.
1. I have heard stories of Taiwanese/Hong Kongnese arrested in RAIDs.
2. Two Japanese autoworkers arrested in Guangdong. Each had to pay 8000RMB. I recall some Japanese tourists were also arrested in Shanghai last year.
[url]http://www.japantoday.com/news/jp/e/tools/print.asp?content=kuchikomi&id=318[/url]
3. In 2004, Hong Kong Democratic Party candidate Alex Ho was charges of soliciting prostitute in Dongguan. Ho was sentenced without trial to six months in detention.
4. In Shenzhen, a Hong Kong Policeman was arrested in Sha Tsui, Shenzhen. I think he served 15 days and a fine.
5. Around Dec 06, they arrested some Johns, prostitution, pimps and mamasans, in Sha Tsui and made world news.
6. For acting dumb, yes, I would try this first not knowing how to speak or understand Chinese. However, some monger did that. The police/security didn’t believe him and got into a little trouble. For a Laowai, it should work fine.
I am sure there are other stories of RAIDS and arrests. Nevertheless, you are safe since the police will generally not bother foreigners. They will ask you for ID and tell you to leave. The girls, pimps and mamasan have more to worry. Last, be careful mongering alone.
I have gone through alot of security checkpoints and spoke only English and they never pressed me for more information. I had been asked question in Chinese immediately after giving my US passport and once you answer in English, with "I'm sorry I don't understand," they will wave you through. This also applies when I have been confronted in the past by security guards.
You're right, he wasn't happy with me and told Mr. B that he was surprised that an overseas Chinese did not speak Chinese. It's not the first time I have gone through questionings. Usually once you start speaking English as though it's your native language, they don't want to deal with you.
If Mr. B wasn't there and it was just me and you, he would have left me alone if I continued speaking English. He would had been more annoyed but if he saw my US passport, what could he possibly do but believe that I could not speak Chinese. What trouble would I had been in? I was just roaming Sha Tsui in the street and I was not caught with my pants down in a raid. Granted, he knows what I'm there for because he also knows that foreign tourist are there for the same thing as the locals and Hong Kongneses.
I'm not guessing but I'm been there many times and this answer is based on experiences. Trust me, you don't have to be a real white foreigner. They could have easily mistakenly me for a Korean, Japanese or non-Chinese tourist.
But we'll never know for sure. I see your view too.
Agree, it works easier for laowais.
Bill
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]Bill,
This is not always the case. I remember one specific time in Sha Tsui, SZ when the LE were not happy with you and thought you were just bullshitting them about not speaking Chinese. If Mr. B were not there to swear by it and bail you out, you might have had some trouble.
It works much better for laowais whereby it is more believable for them.
Just my POV.
OAH[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]As AG had stated, nearly all Chinese hotel do not offer wireless. But you can always bring your own wireless router. I thought about this one : WRT54GC, [url]http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C2&childpagename=US%2FLayout&cid=1115416825655&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper&lid=2565539789B09[/url]
But that's more shit to carry with you.
Bill[/QUOTE]Try the Netgear WGR101 - it's about the size of a pack of cigarettes, weighs about 100 grams, and is idiot simple to use. Lots of range, even in a rented apartment. I love it.
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]
As AG had stated, nearly all Chinese hotel do not offer wireless. But you can always bring your own wireless router. I thought about this one : WRT54GC, [url]http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C2&childpagename=US%2FLayout&cid=1115416825655&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper&lid=2565539789B09[/url]
Bill[/QUOTE]
Try this one; it half the size and half the weight.
[url]http://www.dlink.com/products/resource.asp?pid=346&rid=1239&sec=0[/url]
AG
[quote=the rooster]try the netgear wgr101 - it's about the size of a pack of cigarettes, weighs about 100 grams, and is idiot simple to use. lots of range, even in a rented apartment. i love it.[/quote]
yes... this is a good product too! i love netgear products as they are very stable products. however in china i found that the only problem is to get service and support for their products. furthermore, china's internet download speed is bad for non-china sites. it is so painful, when you try to pull the latest drivers or firmware from the netgear . com site.
ag
[quote=bill lee]
agree, it works easier for laowais.
bill[/quote]
just some inside information:
there is one passport chinese immigration hates the most. that is the blue american passport!
when chatting with one of my police friends, they told me that they, also hates american chinese who don’t speak their chinese ancestor’s language. i recalled the time when my abc friend (who doesn’t speak a word of chinese) was stopped by the local police, they would not let him go. by the time i reached him, he was surrounded by 3 policemen shouting down in his face asking him to stop been funny and pretending that he can’t speak chinese. even after i told them and had my friend show them his american passport, they were still scolding him that it is a disgrace to his ancestors for not speaking chinese. although the police know the existence of abc, they do not appreciate it much for abc not to understand chinese.
this also brings up this point about abc:
a lot of the locals assume that all american are either white or black, they do not believe in the existence of abc. i was in beijing last few days with mock-a-bee. every girl in maggies, pigs or hollywood did not believe us when we told them we were from usa. their assumption of american is that either we must be white or black.
so, bill, be careful, may be next time the police may just throw you into jail with the locals detainees and have your ass raped! :d
ag
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Just some inside information:
There is one passport Chinese immigration hates the most. That is the Blue American Passport!
When chatting with one of my Police friends, they told me that they, also hates American Chinese who don’t speak their Chinese ancestor’s language.
AG[/QUOTE]
I am over 50 and have lived in my time in USA, UK, Australia and HK. I must say I find the sight of ABC behaving like, well, Americans, in China, er..............shall we say most lack sensitivity.
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Just some inside information:
There is one passport Chinese immigration hates the most. That is the Blue American Passport!
AG[/QUOTE]
I will have to diasgree with ya here AG. As a white American and a "blue" passport holder, i have never been stopped, delayed longer than 3 minutes, or even questioned when going through customs. Yet, I have seen Africans and Middle Eastern people get hammered at customs. I try to avoid their lines because I know they will be scrutinized an grilled. I saw a man (Indian) make a mistake on his customs card and the agent told him to go all the way back to the end of the line and do another one yet, my buddy (American) has been over his month by several days and they just smile and stamp his visa.
Maybe you meant ABC's with "blue" passports?
-SZE
[url]http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C2&childpagename=US%2FLayout&cid=1122062241008&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper&lid=4100839789B19[/url]
But I wanted a router that I could expand with additional wired ports. The above only give one wired port, but it's all in one piece.
Bill
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Try this one; it half the size and half the weight.
[url]http://www.dlink.com/products/resource.asp?pid=346&rid=1239&sec=0[/url]
AG[/QUOTE]
Were they acting like ugly Americans?
I probably haven't seen as many traveling ABC as you have, but those that I have and in general have been not loud at all.
BTW, I'm 80% ABC, in order words, born in HK and raised US and speaks basic Cantonese.
Another thing, I really don't have to pretend I cannot speak Chinese (Mandarin) cause I don't. But that police in Sha Tsui was speaking to me in Cantonese. Through my more than 10 trips into China in the past 5 years, I have just learned to speak English only to authority. One concern I have is that if they talk too deep of level of Cantonese, I won't understand them.
Bill
[QUOTE=ManonsanBoy]I am over 50 and have lived in my time in USA, UK, Australia and HK. I must say I find the sight of ABC behaving like, well, Americans, in China, er..............shall we say most lack sensitivity.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]Were they acting like ugly Americans?
I probably haven't seen as many traveling ABC as you have, but those that I have and in general have been not loud at all.
BTW, I'm 80% ABC, in order words, born in HK and raised US and speaks basic Cantonese.
Another thing, I really don't have to pretend I cannot speak Chinese (Mandarin) cause I don't. But that police in Sha Tsui was speaking to me in Cantonese. Through my more than 10 trips into China in the past 5 years, I have just learned to speak English only to authority. One concern I have is that if they talk too deep of level of Cantonese, I won't understand them.
Bill[/QUOTE]Bill,
I am also 75-80% ABC, borned in HK, raised in the US, and only speak Cantonese. As I wonder around CP, I have problem finding cantonese speaking MM. As a result, I can't really enjoy my time in China with MMs. Do you feel the same? If possible, can you give me some contact in August when I stop by CP again. I would really appreciate that.
As for loud-mouthed Chinese, I believe most oversea Chinese (including ABC) are well mannered and polite. As I go to restaurants or other public places in CP, I seldom hear "Chinese" people say "thank you" or "please". Unfortunately, that's how I identify oversea Chinese in China.
Most Taiwanese likes to show off their wealth in front of MMs and among themself. Some portion of people from HK act like they own China because they look down on mainland people. A lot of men in mainland are mean and cruel to the MMs. But unfortunately, majority of the mainland MMs will only marry or have a "true" relationship with the mainland Chinese. These are just my opinion.
As for passport, the cover of mine is black with pages inside blue. I have only been stopped once by the custom people. But as soon as I showed them my US passport, they immediately stop harassing me and let me through without checking my luggage. That's when I decide that acting dumb is the best way to go for us oversea Chinese in China. And finally, I do agree that "whites" definitely have special privileges in China because of the intimidation (communication and appearance) factor.
Laowai123 , could you 'please' give me directions on how to get to the CP catacombs. I went to CP many times and have never heard of this place.
Thanks,
Cpaddict
PS: Now there is the magic word.
[QUOTE=Bill Lee][url]http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C2&childpagename=US%2FLayout&cid=1122062241008&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper&lid=4100839789B19[/url]
But I wanted a router that I could expand with additional wired ports. The above only give one wired port, but it's all in one piece.
Bill[/QUOTE]
Bill,
You know the Maths, the more ports it has, the heavier it becomes.
I agree, the router you found is great! You don't have to carry another power Adaptor for it, its built-in! I wonder if the power supply on this router is auto-switching?
AG
[QUOTE=Szexpat]I will have to diasgree with ya here AG. As a white American and a "blue" passport holder, i have never been stopped, delayed longer than 3 minutes, or even questioned when going through customs. Yet, I have seen Africans and Middle Eastern people get hammered at customs. I try to avoid their lines because I know they will be scrutinized an grilled. I saw a man (Indian) make a mistake on his customs card and the agent told him to go all the way back to the end of the line and do another one yet, my buddy (American) has been over his month by several days and they just smile and stamp his visa.
Maybe you meant ABC's with "blue" passports?
-SZE[/QUOTE]
Sorry, let me clarify on this, Yes you are right, I meant ABC's carrying "blue" Passport.
The first two paragraph of my previous post must be read together in order to understand what I am talking about.
AG
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Sorry, let me clarify on this, Yes you are right, I meant ABC's carrying "blue" Passport.
The first two paragraph of my previous post must be read together in order to understand what I am talking about.
AG[/QUOTE] Do we all agree that white Americans get no hassle from the Chinese immigration people. I have never had a problem. When I do go to China I travel with an ABC, who speaks some Chinese and is working on it. Perhaps because he is with white Americans he has not had trouble with immigration. The funny thing is watching him deal with regular Chinese. They look at him as if he is stupid because he can not speak Chinese. fluently
I have been to Japan with a ABJ who speaks less Japanese than I do. He got that same "stupid" look when I started translation for him.
BTW I plan to go to CP on June 18 and stay at the Hui Hua for 5 nights. Would welcome some emails from anyone going over.
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]Were they acting like ugly Americans?
I probably haven't seen as many traveling ABC as you have, but those that I have and in general have been not loud at all.
BTW, I'm 80% ABC, in order words, born in HK and raised US and speaks basic Cantonese.[/QUOTE]
Ok,....now if you are 80% ABC. what does that makes me? I am born in America, raised in Asia, and speaks 4 forms of Chinese. 80% CBA? (Chinese Born in America? :)
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]
Another thing, I really don't have to pretend I cannot speak Chinese (Mandarin) cause I don't. But that police in Sha Tsui was speaking to me in Cantonese. Through my more than 10 trips into China in the past 5 years, I have just learned to speak English only to authority. One concern I have is that if they talk too deep of level of Cantonese, I won't understand them.
Bill[/QUOTE]
I can verify on this, Bill's Cantonese and Mandarin is..... :p
AG
My Cantonese is better than my Mandarin.
My Cantonese is basic (1st grade level and less) but my Mandarin is :p.
I guess AG is more like "Lucky." I envy those that can speak more than one language/dialect, regardless of the languages.
Bill
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Ok,....now if you are 80% ABC. what does that makes me? I am born in America, raised in Asia, and speaks 4 forms of Chinese. 80% CBA? (Chinese Born in America? :)
I can verify on this, Bill's Cantonese and Mandarin is..... :p
AG[/QUOTE]
From specification PDF:
Dimensions 2.87" x 4.21" x 1.22"
W x H x D (73 mm x 107 mm x 31 mm)
Weight 5.22 oz. (0.148 kg)
Power Built-in 100~240v AC
Bill
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Bill,
You know the Maths, the more ports it has, the heavier it becomes.
I agree, the router you found is great! You don't have to carry another power Adaptor for it, its built-in! I wonder if the power supply on this router is auto-switching?
AG[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Cpaddict]Laowai123 , could you 'please' give me directions on how to get to the CP catacombs. I went to CP many times and have never heard of this place.
Thanks,
Cpaddict
PS: Now there is the magic word.[/QUOTE]
Across the street from the Miraton Hotel is a Mcdonalds, walk down the road between the McDonalds and the Walter Hotel. You will see many little houses (i.e. shacks), this is the place. The girls will stand outside the doors of these little shacks and price is 30rmb for around 30 minutes of service.
This place is far worse than any BBS I have encountered and appears to be much more dangerous due to the local guys (i.e. mafia) that sit outside the shops watching you come and go. Be Careful!
-SZE
[QUOTE=Cpaddict]Laowai123 , could you 'please' give me directions on how to get to the CP catacombs. I went to CP many times and have never heard of this place.
Thanks,
Cpaddict
PS: Now there is the magic word.[/QUOTE]
Please search the forum for "CP-Locations-ISG-Google v3" and you will find what you asked for, but you need Google Earth Viewer to see it...
LW
PS:
You also will find these files when searching for "catacombs" here...
IMHO, many of the catacomb girls are cute and friendly. The problem with the place is the accomodation provided. The places all smell like hell, and at 30RMB the turnover is very high. Having said that, I recommend that every monger try once if they can stomach it. I don't think it is that dangerous as it looks. Many of those "mafia" looking guys are just the locals hanging out.
Just my POV.
OAH
[QUOTE]BTW I plan to go to CP on June 18 and stay at the Hui Hua for 5 nights. Would welcome some emails from anyone going over.[/QUOTE]Yo, are you from Hawaii, Honolulu? That's where I'm at. I used to go to Hong Kong a lot because my friend lives there and he takes me mongering around Dong Guan. But I lost contact with him, so now I do not have any connections to paradise.
Is it common place where strangers of this forum just meet up and go mongering together?
[QUOTE=WaikikiBob]Do we all agree that white Americans get no hassle from the Chinese immigration people. I have never had a problem. When I do go to China I travel with an ABC, who speaks some Chinese and is working on it. Perhaps because he is with white Americans he has not had trouble with immigration. The funny thing is watching him deal with regular Chinese. They look at him as if he is stupid because he can not speak Chinese. Fluently.
I have been to Japan with a ABJ who speaks less Japanese than I do. He got that same "stupid" look when I started translation for him.
BTW I plan to go to CP on June 18 and stay at the Hui Hua for 5 nights. Would welcome some emails from anyone going over. [/QUOTE]Yo Bob, are you from waikiki, Hawaii? Is it common that strangers from this forum just meet up and go mongering together?
[QUOTE=Szexpat]Across the street from the Miraton Hotel is a Mcdonalds, walk down the road between the McDonalds and the Walter Hotel. You will see many little houses (i.e. shacks), this is the place. The girls will stand outside the doors of these little shacks and price is 30rmb for around 30 minutes of service.
This place is far worse than any BBS I have encountered and appears to be much more dangerous due to the local guys (i.e. mafia) that sit outside the shops watching you come and go. Be Careful!
-SZE[/QUOTE]
Has the price really changed?
The last time I was there it was 20RMB for 20 minutes. (not that it isn't for the better, couldn't even get the heart pumping in 20 minutes anyway).
Also I wouldn't worry about those "mafia" guys, they are harmless. They are tiny little fellas, would take a dozen of them to make it even.
[QUOTE=Transporter]Also I wouldn't worry about those "mafia" guys, they are harmless. They are tiny little fellas, would take a dozen of them to make it even.[/QUOTE]
Sorry guys, in view of safety to newbies members on the board I must make you guys aware of the following.
1) If you read the archives newspapers back in May 2005, a shot was fired at a plain-clothes police because he was trying to pull in one of the mafia from the Catacombs. Lucky the shot did not hit anyone but it triggers a clean up operations back in May 2005. Obviously someone in the mafia gang carries a real gun.
2) Yes, it may take 10 to 20 small guys to pin one of us down, but all it takes is just one 3 inches knife to stop a person heart.
3) Don’t be a hero, hero die young.
I am not been paranoid or anything, but as a season monger, we know where and what to avoid. We know our get away if we meet trouble, but please do not give the newbies a false sense of security in thinking that nothing will happen even if a fight does break up at the catacomb. Do not under-mind these small Chinese mafias, I had seen what they can or cannot do to you.
Look out for yourself and observes what is going on around you. For those who thinks I am paranoid or BS about this, go ahead, go to do a girl at the catacomb and try to get away without paying.
Have fun and be safe always.
AG
If you're walking into the area correctly (at least one way I know of) is that the large community swimming pool would be on your right side as you walk into the area. You would be walking the long length of the pool. Then, you'll come across a store where there is a billard table on the outside and a possible large broken sign that proclaim the price to be 2.00 or 5.00.
If you stand with your right side to the billard table and to the side of that store, then up ahead, if they're out, would be the first couple of SWs in the catacomb. The maze takes about 15 to 30 minutes to walk through.
Search for Laowai123's Google map. Best tool to find anything in CP.
Bill
[QUOTE=Szexpat]Across the street from the Miraton Hotel is a Mcdonalds, walk down the road between the McDonalds and the Walter Hotel. You will see many little houses (i.e. shacks), this is the place. The girls will stand outside the doors of these little shacks and price is 30rmb for around 30 minutes of service.
-SZE[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Transporter]Has the price really changed?
The last time I was there it was 20RMB for 20 minutes. (not that it isn't for the better, couldn't even get the heart pumping in 20 minutes anyway).
Also I wouldn't worry about those "mafia" guys, they are harmless. They are tiny little fellas, would take a dozen of them to make it even.[/QUOTE]
Don't really know, this was the price I was quoted by a couple of the girls when we (OAH, AG, Laowai123 and about half a dozen other members) did a walking tour.
I have been to some pretty nasty BBS's in China and these rank right up there. The girls appear to be "farm fresh", but I personally don't want to go into one of those stank rooms with a stopwatch.
Someone controls these girls, they don't come into CP at 18 and 19 years old to be given a shack for free. Maybe not "Mafia" like from the movies, but whatever you want to call an organized criminal element is certainly present there.
Yeah sure, in a clean fight it might take a few of them to get ya, but WTF are you gonna do when your pants are down at your ankles and a couple of them walk into the room with knives?
I'll leave this area to the locals and do my mongering at the more established shops where the girl comes to my turf (i.e. hotel room) rather than me watching my back while I do a quickie.
Just my POV.....
SZE
I met the "boss" one day and he gave me a tour around the area. He is one of the guys that sits out in front of one of the shops on the right just as you enter the area. If you just go, do a girl, pay your money and split, you are pretty safe. If you feel more comfortable, you can go with a buddy or a group.
There are two kinds of girls. Most of the younger girls are under the control of the mafia. The girls refuse to talk about their arrangement. They just change the subject if you bring it up. However, they are not allowed to leave the area which is why they refuse to go to your hotel. Some of the older girls are freelancers and just pay a fee to operate in the area. You can take them out if you want. The last offer I had was 100 RMB for take-away ST.
The price has been 30RMB ST for the past couple of years, but the time limit is 20 minutes. Many of them will try to get more (50 RMB) from laowais. Most girls I asked refused a BJ, but some other mongers claim if you offer to pay more some girls will agree. This is typical of this kind of service around S. China. If you exceed the time, the "boss" will pound on the door.
I also prefer the comfort of my own hotel room, but believe everybody should try everything in life at least one time.
OAH
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]I met the "boss" one day and he gave me a tour around the area. He is one of the guys that sits out in front of one of the shops on the right just as you enter the area. If you just go, do a girl, pay your money and split, you are pretty safe. If you feel more comfortable, you can go with a buddy or a group.
There are two kinds of girls. Most of the younger girls are under the control of the mafia. The girls refuse to talk about their arrangement. They just change the subject if you bring it up. However, they are not allowed to leave the area which is why they refuse to go to your hotel. Some of the older girls are freelancers and just pay a fee to operate in the area. You can take them out if you want. The last offer I had was 100 RMB for take-away ST.
The price has been 30RMB ST for the past couple of years, but the time limit is 20 minutes. Many of them will try to get more (50 RMB) from laowais. Most girls I asked refused a BJ, but some other mongers claim if you offer to pay more some girls will agree. This is typical of this kind of service around S. China. If you exceed the time, the "boss" will pound on the door.
I also prefer the comfort of my own hotel room, but believe everybody should try everything in life at least one time.
OAH[/QUOTE]
OAH,
The "Boss" you met is likely to be one of the Mafia's runner. (Manager). There were rumors saying that the Boss of that place is the same Boss of Walter Hotel. If that s true, there is no reasons for him to hang around places like the catacomb, does he? Why I am not surprise?
1) Most Bossess of Hotels in CP are Mafias anyways.
2) THe piece of land where Catacomb is, belongs to the same owner as Walter Hotel.
Just like to add, the last time when I spoke to one of the "Boss" was they offer 60 for ST and 180 for LT takeout. Laowais is charge a little more. But he also said; they normally do not allow take out unless you are staying at the Walter Hotel. They do not want to girls to go too far. I had asked them what about Miraton or Hui Hwa. They said NO.
He also asked me to show my ID and he will ask his "Boss" if it is all right for me to takeout the girls. Of course, I wasn't too interested to do any girls from there and was asking these questions for information only.
But if any one of you are interested in takeouts at the Catacomb, you may look for this "Boss", just go to the Catacomb look for the Pool table, and ask for "Ah Keong".
However; I would never recommend anyone to mess around at the catacombs.
AG
Fellow WSGer's:
Currently in Macau right now and will be going to China for a couple of days. I did read some of the posts from the forum but still feel a bit lost. If anybody is in the neighborhood and want to hook up for a drink, please PM me. By the way, I am travelling with another WSGers.
I will be in CP tomorrow for one night only (Thursday 4-19), if anyone wants to hookup or needs a tour. I will be at the Lucky Hotel, can PM for my mobile if interested.
-SZE
[QUOTE=Jwtong]Bill,
I am also 75-80% ABC, borned in HK, raised in the US, and only speak Cantonese. As I wonder around CP, I have problem finding cantonese speaking MM. As a result, I can't really enjoy my time in China with MMs. Do you feel the same? If possible, can you give me some contact in August when I stop by CP again. I would really appreciate that.
As for loud-mouthed Chinese, I believe most oversea Chinese (including ABC) are well mannered and polite. As I go to restaurants or other public places in CP, I seldom hear "Chinese" people say "thank you" or "please". Unfortunately, that's how I identify oversea Chinese in China.
Most Taiwanese likes to show off their wealth in front of MMs and among themself. Some portion of people from HK act like they own China because they look down on mainland people. A lot of men in mainland are mean and cruel to the MMs. But unfortunately, majority of the mainland MMs will only marry or have a "true" relationship with the mainland Chinese. These are just my opinion.
As for passport, the cover of mine is black with pages inside blue. I have only been stopped once by the custom people. But as soon as I showed them my US passport, they immediately stop harassing me and let me through without checking my luggage. That's when I decide that acting dumb is the best way to go for us oversea Chinese in China. And finally, I do agree that "whites" definitely have special privileges in China because of the intimidation (communication and appearance) factor.[/QUOTE]Gentlemen: Are you aware that so long as you are Hong Kong-born, you guys can obtain a Hong Kong ID Card and a China Travel Pass? With these papers, you can enter / exit Hong Kong and China anytime and as frequently as you wish. You can also choose to use the E-Channels and you’ll be guaranteed that you won’t be questioned and harassed by the immigration staff from either Hong Kong or China (regardless if you speak Chinese at all) because the E-Channels are not manned by any immigration staff at all. All you need is just scan your ID Card / Travel Pass and thumb print, and you’re through. You also save the trouble / money to apply for entry visas, and on top of that you can stay in Hong Kong and China for as long as you wish. Cheers!
GC
There's was a discussion a year or so ago on whether some of us were willing to give up our U.S. citizen rights should we enter the country with our U.S. passport or as Hong Kong residents. Most of us preferred to keep our rights as an U.S. citizen should we get caught in some unrespectable activities.
I would think you have lesser rights as a HK citizen or given less rights by the China government if you were a HK citizen than compared with an U.S. citizen?
Sometimes it's not the convenience of gong in and out of the country but rather the "back up plan" if caught in a raid.
Now, if I didn't monger at all and was retired or did only real business in China without ever crossing the line, I would consider your suggestion. But until then. I will wait on the long ass line as a foreigner.
Old discussion: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=331232&postcount=470[/url]
Bill
[QUOTE=Green Carrot]Gentlemen: Are you aware that so long as you are Hong Kong-born, you guys can obtain a Hong Kong ID Card and a China Travel Pass? With these papers, you can enter / exit Hong Kong and China anytime and as frequently as you wish. You can also choose to use the E-Channels and you’ll be guaranteed that you won’t be questioned and harassed by the immigration staff from either Hong Kong or China (regardless if you speak Chinese at all) because the E-Channels are not manned by any immigration staff at all. All you need is just scan your ID Card / Travel Pass and thumb print, and you’re through. You also save the trouble / money to apply for entry visas, and on top of that you can stay in Hong Kong and China for as long as you wish. Cheers!
GC[/QUOTE]
Both OP correct, and in theory Bill Lee's comments should be listened to.
I asked my buddy who is senior guy at US Embassy in HK what happens if you are usa citizen but use the China re-entry card. Was told the party line is us embassy would still offer their full cooperation and guidance, same as if you came in under us passport. Guess the only question is whether PRC would let you make that first call to them?
The Walter hotel is actually pretty nice, all marbled up for the lobby. I think it's 4 stars?
I had the best 2-hour foot massage anywhere in the world in a nice and clean private room at the Walter hotel. The girl had a slim, sexy body and an average face. If her face were any prettier, she would have been working in the KTV, not the massage place.
This girl was working hard every minute, exercising every muscle and every joint on my body for 45Y per hour. She looks like she could use some hot sex. Would be nice to screw her for a change from the Yalan hotel girls. I actually felt pretty bad that she had to work very hard for very little money. You may say I have a big passion for the working class, especially the female type. So when at the end, she proposed that we take both of them out for a mid night dinner, I welcomed it. In fact I was aching to have a non-pro in bed after so many professional sessions. Well, we got stood up at midnight. They were probably working overtime. She's not bad looking, with a body built for lots of hot sex...
Anyway, next time I may want to go for a massage at the Walter, then wander into the catacomb. I would order 10 girls, give them a hard time with no tip, then I would casually mention my name is ...Santa, the twin brother of Bill Lee from NYC.
hehehe.
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]OAH,
The "Boss" you met is likely to be one of the Mafia's runner. (Manager). There were rumors saying that the Boss of that place is the same Boss of Walter Hotel.
However; I would never recommend anyone to mess around at the catacombs.
AG[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=One Wing Low] I would order 10 girls, give them a hard time with no tip, then I would casually mention my name is ...Santa,
hehehe.[/QUOTE]
I'm always nice to the CP girls and I usually tip 15rmb to the Yalan shop girls, but only if they are nice to me. Hey, that's 10% more than many other guys give.
Anyway, glad to see OWL is finally learning not to spoil the market.
[QUOTE=Santa]I'm always nice to the CP girls and I usually tip 15rmb to the Yalan shop girls, but only if they are nice to me. Hey, that's 10% more than many other guys give.
[/QUOTE]
Hey!!! You tip more then others! You just spoiled the market! Bad Santa!!!!
Go to your room and no pussy for you tonight! :D
AG
According to my sources;
The Police conducted another raid on a sauna in CP yesterday evening. Unfortunately there were a lot of "Guest" in the Sauna. I was told there was a group of 4 Singaporeans, 5 HongKongers, 2 Americans and a bunch of Chinese, that were detained for 12 hours in the Police Station. Information is still coming in and there yet to be verified.
If any one on this board were there to withness this please speak up.
Enjoy and be Safe!
AG
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant] I was told there was a group of 4 Singaporeans, 5 HongKongers, 2 Americans and a bunch of Chinese, that were detained for 12 hours in the Police Station.
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[/QUOTE]
Do you know were there Any Laowais caught? I would guess foreigners would get treated differently from locals and Hong Kongneses. Wonder which sauna?
Thanks for the info
for his big tip...
[QUOTE=Santa]I'm always nice to the CP girls and I usually tip 15rmb to the Yalan shop girls, but only if they are nice to me. Hey, that's 10% more than many other guys give.
Anyway, glad to see OWL is finally learning not to spoil the market.[/QUOTE]
there may not be any pussy for rent in China by next year...
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]According to my sources;
The Police conducted another raid on a sauna in CP yesterday evening. Unfortunately there were a lot of "Guest" in the Sauna. I was told there was a group of 4 Singaporeans, 5 HongKongers, 2 Americans and a bunch of Chinese, that were detained for 12 hours in the Police Station. Information is still coming in and there yet to be verified.
If any one on this board were there to withness this please speak up.
Enjoy and be Safe!
AG[/QUOTE]
I usually give them 10RMB for the taxi fare regardless of service. Actually, they use a motorcycle and turn a profit on the deal. If they give me a total GFE, I will make it a 50RMB tip. I would say this accounts for less than 10% of the girls I do in CP.
Flame me if you will.
OAH
[QUOTE=Santa]I'm always nice to the CP girls and I usually tip 15rmb to the Yalan shop girls, but only if they are nice to me. Hey, that's 10% more than many other guys give.
Anyway, glad to see OWL is finally learning not to spoil the market.[/QUOTE]
I was wondering if anyone would like to party and monger together. I lost my Hong Kong buddy's contact (he changed his number or something, even his website went offline).
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]I usually give them 10RMB for the taxi fare regardless of service. Actually, they use a motorcycle and turn a profit on the deal. If they give me a total GFE, I will make it a 50RMB tip. I would say this accounts for less than 10% of the girls I do in CP.
Flame me if you will.
OAH[/QUOTE]
Oh! you Market Spoiler!!! 50 RMB tips!!! There you go! Flame Flame Flame!! You've asked for it!!!
Anyways.... actually I do that too... but the difference is, if the girl I done for ST on an early session, and she is GFE or has good service, I will keep her for the night, and may give her up to 50RMB tips the next morning when she leaves. Only once in my one over year of going to CP did I give a girl 100RMB tips because she was super super GFE. Unfortunately I can no longer keep a CP BBS girl LT because now my Asst. Mummy GF come over after her work at 1am. :( Of course she was with me for free! :)
Whilst, most of the time, I would have give the girl 10RMB, at the BBS and have her come over to my room later when I return to the hotel. Noticed nowadays I never bring a girl directly back from the BBS? The 10RMB is enough to cover both trips; to the hotel and back when the deed is done. It only cost them 3RMB per trip on a Motorbike.
AG
I have been here since sunday & have not been to any BBS Yalan or Huimei etc. Just too many Copper cars around. I am seeing Szexpat tonight so might have a bit more guts to roam around. Mobile Van girls is just as good. One same girl I had for the last 3 days!!
Downunder96
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]According to my sources;
The Police conducted another raid on a sauna in CP yesterday evening. Unfortunately there were a lot of "Guest" in the Sauna. I was told there was a group of 4 Singaporeans, 5 HongKongers, 2 Americans and a bunch of Chinese, that were detained for 12 hours in the Police Station. Information is still coming in and there yet to be verified.
If any one on this board were there to withness this please speak up.
Enjoy and be Safe!
AG[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Green Carrot]Gentlemen: All you need is just scan your ID Card / Travel Pass and thumb print, and you’re through. You also save the trouble / money to apply for entry visas, and on top of that you can stay in Hong Kong and China for as long as you wish. Cheers!
GC[/QUOTE]
Dear friends
I have a "return to village" card issued in 1995. I travel in China with my passport. I speak several dialects enough to have a conversation.
Travel on your passports (in China) is my advice.
Raiding saunas in CP is serious business. Stay safe.
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]Well, here we go again. April & October are the two worst months to be in S. China. The price of everything goes up, the girls get greedy and in a hurry, etc. There is a mass influx of swinging dicks with deep pockets and no brains spoiling the market and the ISG board is inundated with requests for information from newbies that very rarely ever post a report afterwards; ISG members in good standing excepted.
I guess I am on a roll today!
Just my POV.
OAH[/QUOTE]Understand the sentment, have said the same things myself on Aussie boards on other sites, but even the old hands have too start somewhere. My first time in action in China and at the Fair (not the best time, but my opportunity with work).
Your post explains why I got no response to my post on Guangzhou thread a week ago. Will post my 2 experiences so far on the Macao & GZ threads soon. I like the sauna experience as it is totally different to the Aussie action. I am a 45yo white professional who is starting som Chinese trade and hope to be here more often. I like the cultural attitude where satisfaction of a mans needs is paramount.
Because I did not know the areas very well and it is Fair time and prices are crazy, I ended up in a hotel in Tianhe which is not in the centre of the action. Even so I tried the sauna and I may venture to the KTV (my first time) tonight. Look for the posts on GZ board.
Leaving GZ tomorrow for some meetings in Dongguan and staying at Grand Noble Hunan, so any advice would be helpfull. I am yet to experience the KTV thing, but understand that it is better with company and very good in Dongguan. I would prefer to sit around and have some drinks and get to know the girls before taking them out. I only speak english but I am sure it would be a lot of fun in the right company.
Hope I can become part of the ISG family and hook up when in the area, need some experienced tour guides.
[QUOTE=Downunder96]I have been here since sunday & have not been to any BBS Yalan or Huimei etc. Just too many Copper cars around. I am seeing Szexpat tonight so might have a bit more guts to roam around. Mobile Van girls is just as good. One same girl I had for the last 3 days!!
Downunder96[/QUOTE]
Any updates from your side mate?
I have no further updates on this since the first update on Wed. Those Copper, are they in Vans, Patrol cars, motorbikes or those golf buggys? Are they wearing bullet proof vest? If they are you are quite sure they will be conducting RAIDs. As I mentioned before, guns are quite common in Dongguan and that's why, the cops will wear bullet proof vest in special operations like RAIDs.
AG
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]there may not be any pussy for rent in China by next year...[/QUOTE]
Now in Beijing, I went to my favorite sauna, and had a hard time getting them to acknowledge that FS is available. I did get served after all. But it seemed much stricter than before, we even had to go to a different floor, not the usual massage rooms. The girl explained to me that the police are doing heavy scrutiny for 60 days, I think she meant April and May. After that, who knows. She said it's all of China, and harshest in Beijing, due to the coming of the 2008 Olympics. Perhaps this helps to explain the severity of the crackdowns we are seeing, not only in CP, but over the past several weeks in Zhuhai, Macau, and probably elsewhere. If the Olympics are the reason for this, then I suppose we can expect a dark age for the next year and a half.
I would think they're mainly focused on activity that's out in the open, like SWs and BBSs. But if they're going into saunas as well, then it would seem that nothing is safe. I might guess that KTV will be the least affected, but that would be bad for those of us who don't do KTV.
This leads me to consider that we need to think in terms of "strategic mongering," that is, to come up with ways to survive the dark age, if that is in fact what's coming. For example, perhaps we need to start collecting phone numbers of mamas and girls, especially the girls that can introduce us to other girls; or, find out if there are certain places where girls who can no longer work the streets might want to be found, e.g., certain bars; or, find KTV's that allow on-the-spot take-out at a good price. I contend that our aim is to have peaceful, honest, harmless relations with the female gender, and that activity is being unjustly attacked. We need to think of ways to respond.
For a guy like Night Cat who has to go to saunas 3 times a day, a few thift-minded mongers may recommend that he buy a...chunk of beef liver. Heat it up in the microwave oven to 98.6F and have a few hot sessions...hehehe.
Refreeze and redate your biological GF as long as you can, and report how many orgasms she had each time....
[QUOTE=Night Cat]
This leads me to consider that we need to think in terms of "strategic mongering," that is, to come up with ways to survive the dark age, if that is in fact what's coming. For example, perhaps we need to start collecting respond.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Night Cat]
This leads me to consider that we need to think in terms of "strategic mongering," that is, to come up with ways to survive the dark age, if that is in fact what's coming. For example, perhaps we need to start collecting phone numbers of mamas and girls, especially the girls that can introduce us to other girls; or, find out if there are certain places where girls who can no longer work the streets might want to be found, e.g., certain bars; or, find KTV's that allow on-the-spot take-out at a good price. I contend that our aim is to have peaceful, honest, harmless relations with the female gender, and that activity is being unjustly attacked. We need to think of ways to respond.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you Night Cat.
Loso took non-nude photos of everygirl, and he kept details and phone numbers. I know think that is a very good idea.
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Any updates from your side mate?
I have no further updates on this since the first update on Wed. Those Copper, are they in Vans, Patrol cars, motorbikes or those golf buggys? Are they wearing bullet proof vest? If they are you are quite sure they will be conducting RAIDs. As I mentioned before, guns are quite common in Dongguan and that's why, the cops will wear bullet proof vest in special operations like RAIDs.
AG[/QUOTE]
AG,
Quit scaring the children!!
All,
I was in CP last night and met up with Downunder96 (A true gentleman) We had a great time! First with a footie at the Walter Hotel, this is my second time there and it is one of the best around. Private rooms with sexy talk with the girls.
We then did a walking tour behind the Hui Mei and saw 3 shops, we caught a taxi to the Yalan and checked out 3 shops there (never went into the Yalan though). All the normal mommies were working and it was business as usual.
I picked a girl from Jojo's shop and will write a report with photo later.
There was a heavy laowai presence in CP, which was a spillover from the Canton Fair. While on the train from GZ, I talked to a few guys who said it was their first time to CP and they loved it. I expect CP won't be a secret much longer.
I suspect more police, because more people. I was a military cop for 20 years and whenever we had a special event or a VIP coming, we always ramped up the amount of police.
-SZE
Thanks Laowai123 for your assistance
[QUOTE=Santa]I agree with you Night Cat.
Loso took non-nude photos of everygirl, and he kept details and phone numbers. I know think that is a very good idea.[/QUOTE]
I try to keep a photo log of all the girls i bag, but I am far more disorganized than Loso is. I do have over 100 calling cards from mommies, BBS/Special Service Massage Joints and KTV's from CP and SZ. I am not really sure why I have them, but maybe I will get around to loading them up into a zip file for future reference.
-SZE
[QUOTE=Szexpat]AG,
Quit scaring the children!!
[/QUOTE]
Well... those information are gathered from my informant in CP. I cannot reveil to you who these informant are but most of the time their information are 99% true.
Although CP is a small town, it is not that small if you are counting the number of Saunas, BBS, Foot Massage, KTVs. You cannot be at the same place at the same time. I had personally withness a Raid on a BBS in CP before, (Unfortunately that time only girls were pulled in), so I trust their information more than the others.
Like I said many times before, I gain nothing from posting information on ISG, for this case, I gain nothing from "scaring the children", just that I felt that the is a neccessity for everyone to know and be more alert when mongering around CP. That is what this board is all about isn't it? Sharing information so that none of our fellow mongers gets ripped off, rob or pulled in by the Police.
It is all right for anyone to believe or not believe. Like I've said, I had seen it happens but those Raids I had reported, I had not seen it with my own eyes, so I cannot be 100% sure it did happened but I believe it is 99% true. So it is up to the reader to take it or not.
Enjoy and be Safe!
AG
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]It is all right for anyone to believe or not believe. Like I've said, I had seen it happens but those Raids I had reported, I had not seen it with my own eyes, so I cannot be 100% sure it did happened but I believe it is 99% true. So it is up to the reader to take it or not.
Enjoy and be Safe!
AG[/QUOTE]
Please be assured, I am not here to discredit you or your sources. I have actually observed a raid on the Yalan KTV in the past, where those SWAT guys in bullet proof vests were in attendence. Most of the cops I saw last night were the crowd control type. I did see some driving around in the golf carts and some in the little blue and whites and actually had a cop car pull right up behind us last night as I had my girl in tow and we were talking to Jojo in the street. Nothing was said and they didn't even give us a second look.
I would certainly not enter a BBS if I saw police activity outside the joint, that would just be sheer stupidity on ones part, just be street smart and aware of your surroundings.
As many have stated in the past, there is a degree of danger in this hobby and prostitution is illegal here so, you will always take your chances no matter where you monger in China.
My POV
-SZE
[QUOTE=Szexpat]Please be assured, I am not here to discredit you or your sources. I have actually observed a raid on the Yalan KTV in the past, where those SWAT guys in bullet proof vests were in attendence. Most of the cops I saw last night were the crowd control type. I did see some driving around in the golf carts and some in the little blue and whites and actually had a cop car pull right up behind us last night as I had my girl in tow and we were talking to Jojo in the street. Nothing was said and they didn't even give us a second look.
I would certainly not enter a BBS if I saw police activity outside the joint, that would just be sheer stupidity on ones part, just be street smart and aware of your surroundings.
As many have stated in the past, there is a degree of danger in this hobby and prostitution is illegal here so, you will always take your chances no matter where you monger in China.
My POV
-SZE[/QUOTE]
Oh No no... don't worry... I did not got it wrong... I am just trying to be hard on you.... hehehe.... well, I guess I am just been my nasty self, you would be if you are stuck in office on a Friday afternoon!
Its party time man!
AG
BTW: You'll up in CP next week? PM me.
I have seen Vans, Patrol cars, motorbikes or those golf buggys but no "SWAT" team in bullet proof vest!! Everything seems to be back to normal for the last 2 days though. Do play safe & the last thing you want is to have your family member to bail you out in police custody!
I felt quite safe though walking with my bodyguard Szexpat he he!
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Any updates from your side mate?
I have no further updates on this since the first update on Wed. Those Copper, are they in Vans, Patrol cars, motorbikes or those golf buggys? Are they wearing bullet proof vest? If they are you are quite sure they will be conducting RAIDs. As I mentioned before, guns are quite common in Dongguan and that's why, the cops will wear bullet proof vest in special operations like RAIDs.
AG[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]BTW: You'll up in CP next week? PM me.[/QUOTE]
You bet, I will be staying in CP Tuesday and Thursday night, I am going to the Canton Fair Wednesday (will stay with my GZ girl that night). I'll call you with hotel location and time. Downunder96 will also be around then as well and someone I think you should meet.
Now, can we entice OAH, Laowai123 and the rest of the crew to show up to make it another Mongers Convention?
-SZE
[QUOTE=
P.S. Don't ever believe tales girls tell you because they ALL lie. The absolute best liars are the ones that look really innocent with doe eyes and look about 18 years old. Those girls are the most calculating and you gotta be careful with those.[/QUOTE]
I have just spent 5 days with some one who is 18. I picked her up at the BBS in Tangxia. When I picked her and she realised she was "going out", she hurriedly grabed a bag. At the hotel room, she shrieked with joy at the sight of a bath. Without asking, she started running the water. She basically had a long soak scrub and took off her make up. I watched and played with her but I just showered. When she finished, she looked a 9.
The first night was converted from ST to LT because the sex was so good; not porn like mechanical efficiency but gentle tender and with good humour. I ate meals with her and took her everywhere from Shenzhen to Guangzhou. It was hard to remember she was a prostitute and I was more than 30 years older than her.
I asked her why she was not in the higher class establishment. She said non of my business. She speaks with a northern intonation but would not tell me where she comes from. From her conversation, I guess she was finished high school. She was great company and great in bed.
At the end of 5 days, she said it was time for her to go. By this time I have bought her 5 days of reasonable quality clothes, nick naks, bags but no phone. I gave her 5000 RMB. The total cost of the 5 days was close to 12,000 RMB including the hotels and transport. She gave me that kind of kind smile.
It is a week ago and I still miss her. She "ran away from the BBS".
I now understand how men can enter into long term relations with hookers.
ok....
just managed to get an update of the raid on the sauna i had posted about on wed.
apparently the raid was on a sauna further away (still had not managed to get the name of the sauna) but contact said that it is one of the smaller ones further away from the town center of cp and not in the big hotel. it is suppose to be nearer to the factories... (i think that's east side of cp).
the only reason why the sauna was raided was because some bloody idiots customers had been complaining and reporting to the police that the sauna has **** girls working in there, and they are robbing the customers (i think they meant ripping off). while on the sauna management side, they are defending by saying that they run a legitimate bath house; all the prices are stated clearly on the price list at the entrance of the sauna. by entering the sauna and reading the price list, they are indirectly agreeing to pay the prices as stated.
majority of the saunas customer comes from factories run by the foreigners nearby. the customers who are pulled into the police station on wed were majority foreigners and they are all in one same group. no action was taken on them but they were release only 12 hours of detention and questioning. the police had found no **** girls by verification of the ids of the girls. both the sauna operators and the customer were given a warning that there should be no vice activities in china.
my contact told further told me that this news of this sauna been raided will be on the chang ping local newspapers to be published this few days. so for those fellow mongers in cp and does read chinese kindly verify this.
on the other note! i would like to who are this dam customers who log those complain! a lot of times, the police in cp will not take action unless there are complains or reports from the public. as szexpat said… they all knew what cp is all about, why stir up more trouble?
enjoy!
ag
btw: sz…. i may not be rolling in cp till late next week. sorry that i may miss you guys.
After Downunder96 had gotten our footie and did a tour of the Hui Mei BBS's we went over to the Yalan area to visit Jo-Jo and the other mommies I know in the area. In the past I have not had good service with Jo-Jo's girls and usually balk at taking one, but this time I could not resist a little hottie named Xiao Xue......what a mistake.
Though she was tiny, young and had a beautiful face, her service sucked! As soon as we got down to buisiness, she reluctently gave me a BBBJ and kept wiping it with a tissue, then she would spend 5 minutes picking the lint of my xiao didi. This went on for like 15 minutes, then she finally started blowing me, but after about 10 minutes of this she started bitching that my prick was too big and that it was hurting her mouth........WHATEVER!
She then got on me in the Asian Cowgirl position, but after about 10 minutes of this, she started using the same old words DA and TONG. She jumped off and insisted I do Mish with her, by this time I was a bit pissed off so I threw it in high gear and went balls to the wall so to speak, got my nut, paid her, took 2 photos and sent her lazy ass out the door. I assure you I am not well endowed and she was not tight!
I called Jo-Jo to ***** about the service and she said she would send me another girl overnight for 400 rmb, I told her to send over her sisters new girl that she had tried to pawn off on me but I had balked on the first time and she said ok.
After about 20 minutes, a girl came to my door and it was not the one I wanted, this girl was VERY common so, I called Jo-Jo again to ***** and she said she would send yet another over. I declined as it was 2 am I was tired, so I told her I would keep the girl for ST instead. I don't remember the girls name, she was maybe Chinese 18, Hunan girl.
She tried to give me a BBBJ, but she used so many damn teeth, it became too painful and not enjoyable so I told her to get on for Asian Cowgirl. She tried several times to put it in, but this girl was so tight, I could only go half and she had such a look of true pain on her face, I pulled her off and told her to forget about it.
She wanted to give me a HJ, but I told her no thanks as I can do that myself, if I needed, or at least get a damn massage with it. I gave her 100 rmb and told her she could go. I called Jo-Jo and once again she told me she would send over another, but I was to pissed off to even deal with another.
It seems I always get shit service from her girls, as does my wingman (read the crazy xiaojie and Santa post). As said earlier, I try to avoid her girls, but sometimes the eye candy looks too good. At least with someone like Co-Co, even if she doesn't have a huge selection, I know I will get a shower from the girl and a semi-GF experience.
Maybe Jo-Jo and her sister are just too young to put the smack down on the girls or fire the damn teacher, but I will not be pulling from there anymore. Maybe I am a bit to picky, but I am a paying customer and should get good service. As much as I am out in CP and the money I spend there, I should get a "Frequent Fuckers" card.
I think we should, as a group, complain about it if we get crap service and report it here so others do not stumble upon the same girls. Having a Wall of Fame and a Wall of Shame is in order. Maybe others have comments or flames about this, but if we don't complain, they will think we are always happy with the service.
Name: Xiao Xue
Age: 18
Province: Jiangsu
Skills: 3
Looks: 7 but very short
Attitude: 3
Overall: Don't waste your time or your money
-SZE
[QUOTE=ManonsanBoy]I have just spent 5 days with some one who is 18. I picked her up at the BBS in Tangxia. When I picked her and she realised she was "going out", she hurriedly grabed a bag. At the hotel room, she shrieked with joy at the sight of a bath. Without asking, she started running the water. She basically had a long soak scrub and took off her make up. I watched and played with her but I just showered. When she finished, she looked a 9.
The first night was converted from ST to LT because the sex was so good; not porn like mechanical efficiency but gentle tender and with good humour. I ate meals with her and took her everywhere from Shenzhen to Guangzhou. It was hard to remember she was a prostitute and I was more than 30 years older than her.
I asked her why she was not in the higher class establishment. She said non of my business. She speaks with a northern intonation but would not tell me where she comes from. From her conversation, I guess she was finished high school. She was great company and great in bed.
At the end of 5 days, she said it was time for her to go. By this time I have bought her 5 days of reasonable quality clothes, nick naks, bags but no phone. I gave her 5000 RMB. The total cost of the 5 days was close to 12,000 RMB including the hotels and transport. She gave me that kind of kind smile.
It is a week ago and I still miss her. She "ran away from the BBS".
I now understand how men can enter into long term relations with hookers.[/QUOTE]
Well.... I will not say that you had been ripped off... but 12,000 is a lot of money to be spent on a girl over 5 days. However, if you did enjoyed yourself and do not mind the money, that's perfectly ok. Sometime you got to pay for what you get. At least she left you with good memories.
On the other side; 12,000 could be one 18 years old salary for 1 year. She she earn that all in just 5 days. I am sure she will get greedier and thinks of more ways to scam her next customer.
BTW: I hope you did not bareback her.... if you do.... time to get a blood test!
Enjoy!
AG
Nice choice. Maybe you, Santa and I shouldn't meet afterall. We'll be fighting over the cuties.
Jo-jo, just curious. Is she the mama on the second floor corner building behind the Yalan Hotel, partners up with Sandy?
Or is she the small petite one, two blocks from the Yalan and before the Swan Lake? Her partner includes a guy pimp?
Bill
[QUOTE=Szexpat]After Downunder96 had gotten our footie and did a tour of the Hui Mei BBS's we went over to the Yalan area to visit Jo-Jo and the other mommies I know in the area. In the past I have not had good service with Jo-Jo's girls and usually balk at taking one, but this time I could not resist a little hottie named Xiao Xue......what a mistake.
Though she was tiny, young and had a beautiful face, her service sucked! As soon as we got down to buisiness, she reluctently gave me a BBBJ and kept wiping it with a tissue, then she would spend 5 minutes picking the lint of my xiao didi. This went on for like 15 minutes, then she finally started blowing me, but after about 10 minutes of this she started bitching that my prick was too big and that it was hurting her mouth........WHATEVER!
She then got on me in the Asian Cowgirl position, but after about 10 minutes of this, she started using the same old words DA and TONG. She jumped off and insisted I do Mish with her, by this time I was a bit pissed off so I threw it in high gear and went balls to the wall so to speak, got my nut, paid her, took 2 photos and sent her lazy ass out the door. I assure you I am not well endowed and she was not tight!
I called Jo-Jo to ***** about the service and she said she would send me another girl overnight for 400 rmb, I told her to send over her sisters new girl that she had tried to pawn off on me but I had balked on the first time and she said ok.
After about 20 minutes, a girl came to my door and it was not the one I wanted, this girl was VERY common so, I called Jo-Jo again to ***** and she said she would send yet another over. I declined as it was 2 am I was tired, so I told her I would keep the girl for ST instead. I don't remember the girls name, she was maybe Chinese 18, Hunan girl.
She tried to give me a BBBJ, but she used so many damn teeth, it became too painful and not enjoyable so I told her to get on for Asian Cowgirl. She tried several times to put it in, but this girl was so tight, I could only go half and she had such a look of true pain on her face, I pulled her off and told her to forget about it.
She wanted to give me a HJ, but I told her no thanks as I can do that myself, if I needed, or at least get a damn massage with it. I gave her 100 rmb and told her she could go. I called Jo-Jo and once again she told me she would send over another, but I was to pissed off to even deal with another.
It seems I always get shit service from her girls, as does my wingman (read the crazy xiaojie and Santa post). As said earlier, I try to avoid her girls, but sometimes the eye candy looks too good. At least with someone like Co-Co, even if she doesn't have a huge selection, I know I will get a shower from the girl and a semi-GF experience.
Maybe Jo-Jo and her sister are just too young to put the smack down on the girls or fire the damn teacher, but I will not be pulling from there anymore. Maybe I am a bit to picky, but I am a paying customer and should get good service. As much as I am out in CP and the money I spend there, I should get a "Frequent Fuckers" card.
I think we should, as a group, complain about it if we get crap service and report it here so others do not stumble upon the same girls. Having a Wall of Fame and a Wall of Shame is in order. Maybe others have comments or flames about this, but if we don't complain, they will think we are always happy with the service.
Name: Xiao Xue
Age: 18
Province: Jiangsu
Skills: 3
Looks: 7 but very short
Attitude: 3
Overall: Don't waste your time or your money
-SZE[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]Nice choice. Maybe you, Santa and I shouldn't meet afterall. We'll be fighting over the cuties.
Jo-jo, just curious. Is she the mama on the second floor corner building behind the Yalan Hotel, partners up with Sandy?
Or is she the small petite one, two blocks from the Yalan and before the Swan Lake? Her partner includes a guy pimp?
Bill[/QUOTE]
Hey Bill,
Jo-Jo is the young girl of 19 (speaks pretty good English) and has a sister of around 16 that is also a mommy, they both work for their Aunt and Uncle who actually own the BBS located above the medicine shop kind of across from the Yalan BBS.
-SZE
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]Nice choice. Maybe you, Santa and I shouldn't meet afterall. We'll be fighting over the cuties.
Jo-jo, just curious. Is she the mama on the second floor corner building behind the Yalan Hotel, partners up with Sandy?
Or is she the small petite one, two blocks from the Yalan and before the Swan Lake? Her partner includes a guy pimp?
Bill[/QUOTE]
Jo-jo Is she the mama on the second floor corner building behind the Yalan Hotel that's the one on the second floor of the medical shop. but is not , partners of Sandy. They just works for the same boss who is also one of the mummies there.
AG
Yeah. I know who you're talking about now. You're right, she's not partnered with Sandy but they take turns on you once you're on the second floor.
She's fairly tall, speak Cantonese with an accent. Funny, I heard from a senior board member that Jo-Jo's words are good, regarding her description of services from her girls. OAH and Hoeman are pretty familar with this Jo-Jo.
I never really thought that shop was a medicine shop. I seen more sodas and potatoes than medicine. But again, I wasn't paying attention to the store's inventory in my anxious run to the second floor.
You think Jo-Jo is 19? She's more like in her mid-20s. She's alittle rough around the edges.
Thanks for the info.
Bill
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Jo-jo Is she the mama on the second floor corner building behind the Yalan Hotel that's the one on the second floor of the medical shop. but is not , partners of Sandy. They just works for the same boss who is also one of the mummies there.
Jo-Jo is the young girl of 19 (speaks pretty good English) and has a sister of around 16 that is also a mommy, they both work for their Aunt and Uncle who actually own the BBS located above the medicine shop kind of across from the Yalan BBS.
-SZE[/QUOTE]
No, you guys have it wrong. Jo Jo is small, speaks english, young, pretty and wears braces on her teeth. She is cute and nice.
She was MY girlfriend until SZexpat came along. Pianzi! :(
[QUOTE=Szexpat]You bet, I will be staying in CP Tuesday and Thursday night, I am going to the Canton Fair Wednesday (will stay with my GZ girl that night). I'll call you with hotel location and time. Downunder96 will also be around then as well and someone I think you should meet.
Now, can we entice OAH, Laowai123 and the rest of the crew to show up to make it another Mongers Convention?
-SZE[/QUOTE]I will be in town Tuesday afternoon and going to the Canton fair for a few days leaving either Friday or Saturday morning up to Shanghai. If there is an opportunity for a ISG get together please PM me.
Thanks,
KK
[quote=santa]no, you guys have it wrong. jo jo is small, speaks english, young, pretty and wears braces on her teeth. she is cute and nice.
she was my girlfriend until szexpat came along. pianzi! :([/quote]
[quote=bill lee]yeah. i know who you're talking about now. you're right, she's not partnered with sandy but they take turns on you once you're on the second floor.
she's fairly tall, speak cantonese with an accent. funny, i heard from a senior board member that jo-jo's words are good, regarding her description of services from her girls. oah and hoeman are pretty familar with this jo-jo.
you think jo-jo is 19? she's more like in her mid-20s. she's alittle rough around the edges.
thanks for the info.
bill[/quote]
bill, santa is right, jo-jo is not that tall mid-20s. she is short, young and speaks english. the tall mid-20s mama is lily; wadman's favorite mummy who got pregnant and quit the job recently.
yah yah... sandy always wants to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] me on the slight of me in the area. what pisses me off is that she always pinned me down on the couch and tries to kiss me mouth to mouth. can't imagine what i can catch from her!
santa, she's was your gf? you meant you done her before? wow! normaly i don't declare a girl is my gf until i done her. :)
hey, are we going to sit around posting discussion about mummies and wh belongs to who all day? let get on with the mongering part will you! :d
enjoy!
ag
You guys are all wrong. She has always been Mpslover's girlfriend.
[QUOTE=Santa]No, you guys have it wrong. Jo Jo is small, speaks english, young, pretty and wears braces on her teeth. She is cute and nice.
She was MY girlfriend until SZexpat came along. Pianzi! :([/QUOTE]
Szexpat Given that was ONE girl left at the BBS and Xiao Xue was dashed back from somewhere just to please your request. She looked exausted. I thought the 2 sisters we came across in earlier BBS (one on the right) looked a lot more enthusiastic. I think Jo Jo should have sent herself in to make up for the bad service. You guys are right about Jo Jo description: wearing bracelet, young big eyes. I actually wanted to take her but she said on one condition I must marry her.
Downunder96
[QUOTE=Szexpat]After Downunder96 had gotten our footie and did a tour of the Hui Mei BBS's we went over to the Yalan area to visit Jo-Jo and the other mommies I know in the area. In the past I have not had good service with Jo-Jo's girls and usually balk at taking one, but this time I could not resist a little hottie named Xiao Xue......what a mistake.
Name: Xiao Xue
Age: 18
Province: Jiangsu
Skills: 3
Looks: 7 but very short
Attitude: 3
Overall: Don't waste your time or your money
-SZE[/QUOTE]
The one on the left is Shu Hue Lan, who speaks English reasonably well.
The one on right is the tall and skinny Ling Ling.
Sorry no nude pic, guys. Use your fertile imagination.
[QUOTE=Downunder96] I actually wanted to take her but she said on one condition I must marry her.
Downunder96[/QUOTE]
May be she is a virgin and will only let a man into her provided he marry her? Did anyone get any offers from her for her first time? hahaha...
Man!!! this topic on JoJo is getting way out of hand!
AG
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]The one on the left is Shu Hue Lan, who speaks English reasonably well.
The one on right is the tall and skinny Ling Ling.
Sorry no nude pic, guys. Use your fertile imagination.[/QUOTE]
I am quite sure that the one on the left is very "experience", consider the fact that she looks like she is in her early 30's While Ling Ling, looks nice!
If you put up their nude photos here, you would have to blank out the face! You will not want to sentence them to death!
Well done OWL!
Enjoy!
AG
Shu Hue Lan is probably in her late 20's but inexperienced in sex. She enjoys sex a great deal, wanted to do it again right after the first round.
Ling Ling said she's 20 but has been working at the Sheraton KTV for 5 years. So she's probably between 19 to 25 now. You Chinese experts can figure out which figure is the correct one.
Ling Ling is constantly smiling sweetly. She is very skinny with bones protruding out of her hips and her back. Her waist is tiny and flat. Her breasts are small and soft with tiny tits. Her legs are like 2 chop sticks...
I prefer my girls' bodies to fill out with soft, smooth, sexy curves...
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]I am quite sure that the one on the left is very "experience", consider the fact that she looks like she is in her early 30's While Ling Ling, looks nice!
If you put up their nude photos here, you would have to blank out the face! You will not want to sentence them to death!
Well done OWL!
Enjoy!
AG[/QUOTE]
She is no longer a virgin. I overheard her talking to her younger sidekick that Szexpat did her once. Szexpat can you confirm that? she just reminded me of my chinese school (primary) friend!! I'll try my luck again during the week
DU96
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]May be she is a virgin and will only let a man into her provided he marry her? Did anyone get any offers from her for her first time? hahaha...
Man!!! this topic on JoJo is getting way out of hand!
AG[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Downunder96]She is no longer a virgin. I overheard her talking to her younger sidekick that Szexpat did her once. Szexpat can you confirm that? she just reminded me of my chinese school (primary) friend!! I'll try my luck again during the week
DU96[/QUOTE]
Wow, this got out of hand real quick. The original post was about shitty service and how we need to complain about it, while letting other mongers know not to partake in their services. Jojo is a good friend, but her girls, in my opinion, are not worth a damn for service. Could be I just keep picking the wrong ones.
-SZE
BTW: I have had the pleasure of banging 4 of the mommies in CP, damn good service from all of them, but I will never reveal which ones they are!
You see what happens? When I leave town everybody wants to fuck my little girlfriend. Poor Santa doesn't get any respect. :(
Almost all raids are the result of some one not following SOP. Prostitution is a hugh industry in China and is a very efficient way of circulating the money. Imagine if prostitution was totally suppressed in Chang Ping. For a start, all the 4 & 5 star hotes will immediately be in financial difficulties not to mention all the KTV and saunas. The local economy would contract by 50 %.
[QUOTE=ManonsanBoy]Almost all raids are the result of some one not following SOP. Prostitution is a hugh industry in China and is a very efficient way of circulating the money. Imagine if prostitution was totally suppressed in Chang Ping. For a start, all the 4 & 5 star hotes will immediately be in financial difficulties not to mention all the KTV and saunas. The local economy would contract by 50 %.[/QUOTE]
But I'm sure that a lot of mongers remember a nice little place in Shenzhen call Sha Zui which used to reputedly turnover up to RMB3 million a day in its prime and now is a virtual ghost town!
She's MPFSlover's GF, a fast-talking girl with a nice figure. I dont remember she wears braces.
Her shop is on the second floor of a store selling electrical goods, at the turn into Yalan hotel. She was very aggressive in selling the girls. She would drag them out, putting them on your laps, then pull their boobies out and put your hands on them, insisting you check out the goods.
There were about 30 girls in that room, at least 6 rated 7 or above. When I agreed to take the girl, Jo Jo quickly snatched the 100RMB bill, stuffed it into her pocket and went on to the next customer. She never looked at me again after that.
The girl she matched me up with turned out to be a very nice and sweet girl with good manners. Her face was pretty, her body beautiful and unblemished. I took her to dinner then the Huimei KTV all night. She was very gracious company. I felt really sad for her that she was agressively sold at such a low price.
Jojo's probably in jail now, waiting for her fate to be decided by a cruel government system that cannot provide gainful and dignified employment for the majority of these young girls, but would punish them severely for political infractions.
The Chinese girls are especially pretty, gentle and sweet, that make every encounter with them very nice. When you deal with them, be fair to them and give them some dignity.
Sounds like OWL's alter ego talking. Here's my best effort to find the meaning behind his remarks.
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]I felt really sad for her that she was agressively sold at such a low price.[/QUOTE]
Translation: "I'm glad she has someone who will make a genuine effort to promote her, while also ensuring that she gets paid at least market rates."
[QUOTE]
a cruel government system that cannot provide gainful and dignified employment for the majority of these young girls, but would punish them severely for political infractions.[/QUOTE]
Translation: "a system that as of yet has not recognized the trade as legitimate, which would help society recognize it as being no less dignified than any other service profession."
[QUOTE]
When you deal with them, be fair to them and give them some dignity.[/QUOTE]
Translation: "Deal with them in a polite and businesslike fashion, as most of you apparently have been doing (e.g., pay market rates, no need to underpay or overpay)."
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]She's MPFSlover's GF, a fast-talking girl with a nice figure. I dont remember she wears braces.
Jojo's probably in jail now, waiting for her fate to be decided by a cruel government system that cannot provide gainful and dignified employment for the majority of these young girls, but would punish them severely for political infractions. [/QUOTE]
Either your confused of the Jo-Jo we speak of (probably a common English name for Chinese girls), don't know what your talking about or Jo-Jo broke out of jail and is a fugitive because I saw her and talked to her a couple of days ago.
She is nobody's GF and wears a retainer, not braces. Her spoken English is good, her written English is even better. Their shop at best has 15 girls, she used to be on street level behind the Yalan hotel, but moved about the general goods shop on the second floor about 3-4 months ago.
I assure you, she could get a better job, if she wanted (or her family released her), I know because I have offered her one in SZ working for a friend of mine. Their mom & dad sent her and her sister to CP to work for their Uncle who are the bosses in CP, maybe it's good money, but I think it's more like strong family ties.
-SZE
SZE
I can confirmed that she has been to jail (not sure whether she was retained for a short or long time). This came from her. I wasnt looking for a chick that time thus managed to catch a lot of the conversation amongst them!
DU96
[QUOTE=Szexpat]Either your confused of the Jo-Jo we speak of (probably a common English name for Chinese girls), don't know what your talking about or Jo-Jo broke out of jail and is a fugitive because I saw her and talked to her a couple of days ago.
She is nobody's GF and wears a retainer, not braces. Her spoken English is good, her written English is even better. Their shop at best has 15 girls, she used to be on street level behind the Yalan hotel, but moved about the general goods shop on the second floor about 3-4 months ago.
I assure you, she could get a better job, if she wanted (or her family released her), I know because I have offered her one in SZ working for a friend of mine. Their mom & dad sent her and her sister to CP to work for their Uncle who are the bosses in CP, maybe it's good money, but I think it's more like strong family ties.
-SZE[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Downunder96]SZE
I can confirmed that she has been to jail (not sure whether she was retained for a short or long time). This came from her. I wasnt looking for a chick that time thus managed to catch a lot of the conversation amongst them!
DU96[/QUOTE]
She had been picked up, but it was for a very short time, remember I asked her this as we were walking down the stairs. Jo-Jo is actually a junior mommie as are most there, they don't own the girls or the stable they just are employed there, as in Jo-Jo's case since it's her Uncle who actually owns it.
-SZE
Since fair time again, I think everyone is being more careful. I noticed fewer vans/assistant around CP and alot more foreingers everywhere, especially the ktv. The movie shops around ZMT are on orange alert as well.
Wanted to get the word out that theres an increase number of fake durexes around. I got a pack of fakes from the chain convient store (deliverd) yesterday. They are different shaped,smell, and material. The outer packaging are darn good. So be careful and buy from reputable places (relatively speaking in china).
[QUOTE=Szexpat]She had been picked up, but it was for a very short time, remember I asked her this as we were walking down the stairs. Jo-Jo is actually a junior mommie as are most there, they don't own the girls or the stable they just are employed there, as in Jo-Jo's case since it's her Uncle who actually owns it.
-SZE[/QUOTE]
Guys,
All the mummies in CP at one point or another had been picked by the Police before. They will stay in Jail until someone comes to the station pays the fine of 500 RMB to bail them out. Second time they are been picked up, the fine maybe doubled. and further then twice, they will be jailed at least for 5 days plus a fine.
I am not surprise if Jojo had been picked up before. There are no exceptions and that goes for my Assistant Mama GF in CP.
AG
[QUOTE=Night Cat]Sounds like OWL's alter ego talking. Here's my best effort to find the meaning behind his remarks.
Translation: "I'm glad she has someone who will make a genuine effort to promote her, while also ensuring that she gets paid at least market rates."
Translation: "a system that as of yet has not recognized the trade as legitimate, which would help society recognize it as being no less dignified than any other service profession."
Translation: "Deal with them in a polite and businesslike fashion, as most of you apparently have been doing (e.g., pay market rates, no need to underpay or overpay)."[/QUOTE]
Night Cat,
Let the man live.....you do not like his post, ignore it. Let get back to the subject of "Finding female for purpose of sex".
Thanks
AG
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Night Cat,
Let the man live.....you do not like his post, ignore it. Let get back to the subject of "Finding female for purpose of sex".
[/QUOTE]
Actually, I liked his post, and my comments were an extension of some friendly banter we had during a group mongering field trip in Zhuhai. I trust that he takes it in the spirit intended (and if not, I'm open to hearing from him and will adjust my banter, or whatever, to continue as friends).
OK, gentlemen, back to the main purpose. I don't have any FRs to add at the moment, but if anyone wants the phone number of the Shanghai girl in CP, the one mentioned in my April 4 post, PM me. Cheers!
Night Cat is just having fun ribbing me. He probably understands a lot more about CHinese girls than I do, living there for the last 4 years, going to saunas 3 times a day behind his Xiaojie GF's back, hehehe.
I did not know he had a Xiaojie girl friend. He should share more of his understandings of the the xiaojies' lifestsyles and attitudes, so the mongers know how to best deal with them.
The only problem I see with Night Cat's translation of my post is that, by referring to 'market rate,' whose rate is Night Cat referring to? If it were his own 'market rate' then we are all screwed, because he glady forked over double the normal rate for a certain xiaojie at the Huihua. We are talking about 100% inflation rate for pussy here!
Also, when I suggest being fair and giving some dignity to the girls in China, I mean mongers should expect higher rates from the girls if they dont have the best dick sizes, appearances, manners, expressions, charms etc... The girls usually demand higher fees if they find you treating them in disagreeable ways. They just try to get their piece of the justice, so dont automatically treat them like thieves, it would just [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] them off more.
OTH, guys with smaller dicks should expect rebates from these girls. Well, have fun clipping the pussy coupons, sending in your UPC's and waiting for those rebates, guys.
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Night Cat,
Let the man live.....you do not like his post, ignore it. Let get back to the subject of "Finding female for purpose of sex".
Thanks
AG[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]Also, when I suggest being fair and giving some dignity to the girls in China, I mean mongers should expect higher rates from the girls if they dont have the best dick sizes, appearances, manners, expressions, charms etc... The girls usually demand higher fees if they find you treating them in disagreeable ways. They just try to get their piece of the justice, so dont automatically treat them like thieves, it would just [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] them off more. [/QUOTE]
What exactly is the BEST dick size from your POV? I'm afraid I don't have any experience in doing any research on this subject, maybe you can enlighten us? My RL GF enjoys my tool and refers to it as her "Big Pig", yet some of the girls in CP say it's too big, though I often have to use the 2x4 and some rope I bring with me to tie it around my ass so I don't fall in.
I think many of the girls are just plain lazy, they will relucently give a BBBJ for a few minutes, Asian Cowgirl for a few minutes then jump off and insist Mish position for the rest of the ride, probably because they are just to lazy to work for their coin. Doggy is usually out of the question as is playing with their hair or kissing them because it will mess them up. Do you always take the first girl the mommy pushes on you? If not, what do you tell the girl or mommy? I just say no thanks or not pretty for me, might hurt their feelings, but once again YOU are the paying customer.
If you accept this behavior, then you in a way, are also spoiling the market because the girls know they can get away with this crap. I know we are talking about a girl and her pussy, but we are also talking about a service that you have bought and paid for. If my maid does not clean my apartment correctly, I will complain, if it still happens, then I will fire her for inproper service.
Same goes with these girls, if you get shit service, complain about it to the mommy, if you don't speak much putonghua, then next time you see the girl and the mommy tell them "bu hao" or just refuse to take a girl from her shop. If other mongers did this then they would soon realize there was a problem and fix it.
As far as the mans looks, appearences, manners thing goes.....he is a customer, not her future husband! The price is negotiated prior to leaving the shop, if she suddenly wants to inflate her price because you have a laowai tool, fart in the bathroom or have big hairy balls, so what? As long as you treat the girl nice and don't physically hurt her, she needs to perform for the price negotiated.
I don't treat them as criminals, but then again I don't close the bathroom door when I am taking a shower, nor do I leave my room safe wide open. I agree to respect the girls to a degree, but don't be afraid to complain if you get shitty service. Yes, I even tip the girls, probably better than I sound like I do, but that is based on services rendered. If shit service then nothing, if fair service I will give her 5-10 rmb, if good service 20-30 rmb and if I get great service could be anything over 40 rmb.
This is my POV.
-SZE
I have to agree with Szexpat. Jo Jo is nice (and very tasty) but her girls - at least, in my experience -- are the worst in Yalan. I'm not saying all of them, because I had one who was fine, but on the average, they offer a lower standard of service and a higher level of complaints (too big, owwww, take too long, give me tip, give me bigger tip) thanthe girls from all the other houses.
I don't even go in there any more.
By the way, will be at the Miraton from May 3 through May 24. Love to see any of you.
RS
I also agree with this based on my SZ experience, also in Shanghai. The Girls know what they are getting into, so to speak. They are just trying to get more, but they know what is going to happen.
What About Customers Rights?
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Also, when I suggest being fair and giving some dignity to the girls in China, I mean mongers should expect higher rates from the girls if they dont have the best dick sizes, appearances, manners, expressions, charms etc... The girls usually demand higher fees if they find you treating them in disagreeable ways. They just try to get their piece of the justice, so dont automatically treat them like thieves, it would just [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] them off more.
What exactly is the BEST dick size from your POV? I'm afraid I don't have any experience in doing any research on this subject, maybe you can enlighten us? My RL GF enjoys my tool and refers to it as her "Big Pig", yet some of the girls in CP say it's too big, though I often have to use the 2x4 and some rope I bring with me to tie it around my ass so I don't fall in.
I think many of the girls are just plain lazy, they will relucently give a BBBJ for a few minutes, Asian Cowgirl for a few minutes then jump off and insist Mish position for the rest of the ride, probably because they are just to lazy to work for their coin. Doggy is usually out of the question as is playing with their hair or kissing them because it will mess them up. Do you always take the first girl the mommy pushes on you? If not, what do you tell the girl or mommy? I just say no thanks or not pretty for me, might hurt their feelings, but once again YOU are the paying customer.
If you accept this behavior, then you in a way, are also spoiling the market because the girls know they can get away with this crap. I know we are talking about a girl and her pussy, but we are also talking about a service that you have bought and paid for. If my maid does not clean my apartment correctly, I will complain, if it still happens, then I will fire her for inproper service.
Same goes with these girls, if you get shit service, complain about it to the mommy, if you don't speak much putonghua, then next time you see the girl and the mommy tell them "bu hao" or just refuse to take a girl from her shop. If other mongers did this then they would soon realize there was a problem and fix it.
As far as the mans looks, appearences, manners thing goes.....he is a customer, not her future husband! The price is negotiated prior to leaving the shop, if she suddenly wants to inflate her price because you have a laowai tool, fart in the bathroom or have big hairy balls, so what? As long as you treat the girl nice and don't physically hurt her, she needs to perform for the price negotiated.
I don't treat them as criminals, but then again I don't close the bathroom door when I am taking a shower, nor do I leave my room safe wide open. I agree to respect the girls to a degree, but don't be afraid to complain if you get shitty service. Yes, I even tip the girls, probably better than I sound like I do, but that is based on services rendered. If shit service then nothing, if fair service I will give her 5-10 rmb, if good service 20-30 rmb and if I get great service could be anything over 40 rmb.
This is my POV.
SZE
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]The one on the left is Shu Hue Lan, who speaks English reasonably well.
The one on right is the tall and skinny Ling Ling.
Sorry no nude pic, guys. Use your fertile imagination.[/QUOTE]
Ling Ling is one of the most beautiful girls, let alone Chinese girls I have seen in my life. Thanks for the pic.
Is it common that strangers from this forum go out and party and monger together? The reason being that I do not speak Chinese, but I'm a Chinese from Hawaii.
I'm interested in hooking up with a fellow monger in Dong Guan, because I know the girls are beautiful there.
I will be in CP tomorrow night (Wed) for one or two nights if anyone wants to hookup. I am staying at the Lucky Hotel, PM me if you want my mobile.
-SZE
Finally arrived in Dongguan after some lauzy days in Yiwu (see Yiwu reports).
As I stay incinese Hotel, I certainly had to start with the "7th floor".
When you leave the elevator, a lady brings you to your room (not the same quality room as regular hotel rooms but clean).
Mamasan came in and told me roomrate is 230 and she had girls of 400 - 600 - 900. I asked if I could see all of them.
Expecting a long line up there came only 4 girls (mixed 4-6-9) and I couldn't tell the difference. No models, just 6-8 but maybe that depends on my taste :-)
Because there wasn't much difference for me, I looked at the smiles and choosed the girl who looked happiest. It was a 400-girl,number B181.
We showered together. And in the shower she already started to those sounds as she was having an orgasm. I even didn't touch her.
If there is one thing I hate most, then it's actors. I like the noise when they really enjoy it . If they don't enjoy it, I think they just should be quiet and to their job.
After the shower, the regular obliged routine : massage, licking, mint in the ass, ... but all like very routinues.
It was like she was repeating a lesson. No GFE at all.
Then we did missionary position and cowgirl but I couldn't come because of the disturbing noise she made.
To let her be silent, I asked for BJ. she wanted to use condom but I told her I prefered without.
Ended with BBBJ with CIM (by accident and she didn't like it :-)
Shower, payed her 400 and mamasan 230 for the room.
7th floor Cinese Hotel
Girl : B181
Looks : 6
Attitude : 4
Energy level : 10 (had to work very hard)
Price 400 RMB + 230
Tomorrow I go back and ask for higher category (600 or 900).
I'm here 4 nights and want to be a regular the 4th night :-)
Is cinese KTV something to do alone ?
[QUOTE=Bob Builder]But I'm sure that a lot of mongers remember a nice little place in Shenzhen call Sha Zui which used to reputedly turnover up to RMB3 million a day in its prime and now is a virtual ghost town![/QUOTE]My HK buddy said that it happened in CP already. I think back in 1996 I went there and mongering was great. Had a whole street full of little shops with over 15 girls in each one. Then in 2001 the raids began and CP lost many of its mongering activities. The economy went south so fast and so bad, that the town was going to be a "ghost town". And all the banks were going under with deposits from the freelance girls being withdrawed. Not to mention that all the HK weekenders (and these people are the backbone of the economy) were not spending their salary there anymore. Anyways, the gov decided to let mongering flourish again and now it's a thriving city where realestate is dam expensive.
Euroboy
Don't go to KTV alone. A big room alone is no fun and quite expensive. Plus in smaller places you can get seriously ripped off.
Some KTV's have a big room with a show. That's OK, just buy a drink and sit down. A mommy will walk up shortly and ask if you want a girl. Normal KTV pricing.
BTW I don't mind the actors, as long as it's a good act!
TD
[QUOTE=Travel Dog]Euroboy
Don't go to KTV alone. A big room alone is no fun and quite expensive. Plus in smaller places you can get seriously ripped off.
Some KTV's have a big room with a show. That's OK, just buy a drink and sit down. A mommy will walk up shortly and ask if you want a girl. Normal KTV pricing.
BTW I don't mind the actors, as long as it's a good act!
TD[/QUOTE]
Unless your wallet is as thick as the encyclopedia; TD is right! Stay away from the KTV. If you are alone, you with ended up having trouble handling all the girls, waitresses, managers coming to you for tips at the end of the day. Moreover…. You might for fxxking drunk by than….
My suggestion: if you really love the KTV girls, most KTVs in DG does have open bar area in which you can pick your favorite girl/s that way you don't get slap with a room charge and tips for Managers, Waitresses.
Enjoy and be safe!
AG
SZXpat,
You had me laughing out of my ass with your 2x4 and rope. I have never experienced any Chinese or Asian pussies that loose. I had quite a few Caucasians, even small petite girls, with very loose pussies, to the point of getting not much feelings from penetration.
One of my ex GFs was very strange. Her pussy was very tight, unpenetrable before arousal, but it would become very wet, loose and sloppy once she got aroused. So one time I was trying to experience her pre-arousal tightness with the help of some lubricant. She consented but it hurted her so much that she got really pissed and was gonna slap the shit out of me. Since then I always make sure to get them wet and sloppy first, then start penetrating very gently and slowly to make sure there is no pain, before proceeding.
The last time I was in SZ with that KTV sweetheart, my dick was very sore after the third screw of the day, even with lubricated condoms. The street girls may have to do 5,10 guys a day. Dont you think they would be in some serious pain everyday, even more pain if some big guys with big, long dicks, just stick it right in without arousing them first? Mongers should be aware of women's physical and psychological needs and limitations to make it win-win arrangements.
Yes, you have to be proactive with the services you buy, complaining about the poor performances and bad attitudes, and rewarding the good ones. Your tipping scale is very reasonable by me.
BTW I truly dont believe in spoiling the local markets for anything and anyone.
[QUOTE=Szexpat]What exactly is the BEST dick size from your POV? I'm afraid I don't have any experience in doing any research on this subject, maybe you can enlighten us? My RL GF enjoys my tool and refers to it as her "Big Pig", yet some of the girls in CP say it's too big, though I often have to use the 2x4 and some rope I bring with me to tie it around my ass so I don't fall in.
I don't treat them as criminals, but then again I don't close the bathroom door when I am taking a shower, nor do I leave my room safe wide open. I agree to respect the girls to a degree, but don't be afraid to complain if you get shitty service. Yes, I even tip the girls, probably better than I sound like I do, but that is based on services rendered. If shit service then nothing, if fair service I will give her 5-10 rmb, if good service 20-30 rmb and if I get great service could be anything over 40 rmb.
This is my POV.
-SZE[/QUOTE]
Just got back from CP. Since the GZ fair is on now, tonnes of gals in the BBS.
I have visited the BBS near Yalan Hotel. The mummys practically surround you once you get off the bread van. Each BBS will have at least 7-12 gals. Quality wise from 4-6/10.
If you can locate Swan Lake hotel which is a short walk from yalan, they have at least 8-9 rooms with 7-10 gals each for you to chose. Quality from 5-7/10.
The bbs behind Hui Mei Hotel are also packed but the quality if lower than yalan and Swan lake. The hotel behind hui mei also have some stocks whics is similar in quality as Swan lake. It's only RMB150 per shot there.
Since it's GZ fair time the price is RMB250 for 1 shot and RMB 500 for overnight till 12 pm the next day. Just tell off the mummy by saying she is pulling a fast one. Most will reduce it to RM200 per shot or RMB 450 ON.
I was just complaining loudly about their 690RMB min. room cost, not even negotiating. The mamasan quiclkly dropped it down to 389RMB.
That's the minimum charge for a room with sofa seats for about 8 people. You can order 6 beers with that money, lock the room up, suck it up with your girl, feel her up to make sure she has 2 real boobs and 1 real pussy...
When you drink up the beers, just pay for the beers and tip your girl her sitting fee ( 200RMB in CP and 300RMB in DG). If the management also wants tip, just unzip and show them your BIG TIP on the way out...
We need some tough guys like AG to teach the KTV pimps some manners...
BTW, the only KTV with open bars that I know are Huimei and Jiayie in CP. Any other places with open bars?
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Unless your wallet is as thick as the encyclopedia; TD is right! Stay away from the KTV. If you are alone, you with ended up having trouble handling all the girls, waitresses, managers coming to you for tips at the end of the day. Moreover…. You might for fxxking drunk by than….
My suggestion: if you really love the KTV girls, most KTVs in DG does have open bar area in which you can pick your favorite girl/s that way you don't get slap with a room charge and tips for Managers, Waitresses.
Enjoy and be safe!
AG[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]I
BTW, the only KTV with open bars that I know are Huimei and Jiayie in CP. Any other places with open bars?[/QUOTE]
Try Hui Hua KTV. They have open lounge surrounded by small "rooms". It's basically rooms fronting the lounge with glass panelling as wall. Anyone can look in and it fits about 3-4 people. I think the minimum charge is about RMB 300. You can look at the small screen in your room or the projector at the main hall when singing. Everyone will be able to hear you sing.
I normally recommend it to those travelling alone or with in pairs. If you take 2-3 gals each then the room can be uncomfortable.
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]My suggestion: if you really love the KTV girls, most KTVs in DG does have open bar area in which you can pick your favorite girl/s that way you don't get slap with a room charge and tips for Managers, Waitresses.
Enjoy and be safe!
AG[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Travel Dog]Euroboy
Don't go to KTV alone. A big room alone is no fun and quite expensive. Plus in smaller places you can get seriously ripped off.
Some KTV's have a big room with a show. That's OK, just buy a drink and sit down. A mommy will walk up shortly and ask if you want a girl. Normal KTV pricing.
BTW I don't mind the actors, as long as it's a good act!
TD[/QUOTE]I'm confused where CP is??? Is this the city where Club Sundae is? Sorry, I was just drunk all the damn time and disbelieving on how beautiful the freaking girl was holding my arm was, the whole trip was a blurrrrrrrrrr.
Anyways, there is a KTV open bar and Hotel just down the road from Club Sunday, where it bens. The place is like 4 star and everyone dresses up like the Venetian Hotel in Las Vegas (Venice). Lots of hot 6-9 girls. There's a show and open bar. The best time to go is at 7pm where there are like 150 girls lined up in a wide ass hallway.
There is another one like 3 minutes away, I forgot the name but it is a older hotel also, it's on the corner of the main drag.
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]I was just complaining loudly about their 690RMB min. room cost, not even negotiating. The mamasan quiclkly dropped it down to 389RMB.
That's the minimum charge for a room with sofa seats for about 8 people. You can order 6 beers with that money, lock the room up, suck it up with your girl, feel her up to make sure she has 2 real boobs and 1 real pussy...
When you drink up the beers, just pay for the beers and tip your girl her sitting fee ( 200RMB in CP and 300RMB in DG). If the management also wants tip, just unzip and show them your BIG TIP on the way out...
We need some tough guys like AG to teach the KTV pimps some manners...
BTW, the only KTV with open bars that I know are Huimei and Jiayie in CP. Any other places with open bars?[/QUOTE]
Aye Aye Sir!!!
Next time I am there I will bash those manners into their heads! And if they do not get it, I must as well get my guys to come in and waste them in under a pool of AK47 rounds!
AG
[QUOTE=BigLauda]Try Hui Hua KTV. They have open lounge surrounded by small "rooms". It's basically rooms fronting the lounge with glass panelling as wall. Anyone can look in and it fits about 3-4 people. I think the minimum charge is about RMB 300. You can look at the small screen in your room or the projector at the main hall when singing. Everyone will be able to hear you sing.
I normally recommend it to those travelling alone or with in pairs. If you take 2-3 gals each then the room can be uncomfortable.[/QUOTE]
Most of the KTV in CP does have a open bar. However most of the time the KJ will usher you to the room via a route that is away from the open bars. That is to keep you away from having the ideal of sitting at the open bar and get a room instead. Remember, the bulk of their revenue is from the rooms and the drinks.
Enjoy!
AG
There is a great open bar(s) at this KTV. I go there a few times with 1-2 friends and enjoy the show without going into the rooms. The charge is not much; basically around 100 RMB for 2 drinks. Girls are available but you do not have to get any. It is a great way to enjoy the "nightclub" aspect of this place.
Hi manonsanBoy,
I read a few good posts about Tangxia. I will probably stop in Tangxia on the way to ChangPing next time.
How is it compared to ChangPing?
What is a good hotel to stay in for mongering?
What are some good places to go looking for girls?
What are the girls' quality and prices?
[QUOTE=ManonsanBoy]There is a great open bar(s) at this KTV. I go there a few times with 1-2 friends and enjoy the show without going into the rooms. The charge is not much; basically around 100 RMB for 2 drinks. Girls are available but you do not have to get any. It is a great way to enjoy the "nightclub" aspect of this place.[/QUOTE]
Jettsetter,
Another way is to fly straight into Guangzhou, take a short cab to the train station, and ride the train into DG (45 min).
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]Hi manonsanBoy,
I read a few good posts about Tangxia. I will probably stop in Tangxia on the way to ChangPing next time.
How is it compared to ChangPing?
What is a good hotel to stay in for mongering?
What are some good places to go looking for girls?
What are the girls' quality and prices?[/QUOTE]
The scene in Tangxia is different to the one in CP. It is much more geographically spread out.
There are 2 concentrations of BBS that I know of; one around Heping hotel near the centre of town and another near a place called New Village Hotel in a factory area. Heping is better because it is nearer the centre of town. Both totally girl friendly. Most hotels in Tangxia are. Prices same as CP. 150 standard. Sometimes 130. Quality is comparable to CP but less choice.
There are 5 good saunas: Sangem Hotel(number 88 has a body to die for), Yiking (red rope used to be available) Golden Lake (number 78 does anal but she may have left), Sunny Business hotel (try A133; she does anal) and Jin san (lower end). Total costs: 500-1000 total. Usually excellent service. Sangem is by far the most high class and expensive.
Tangxia is not worth a separate visit because it does not offer anything more than CP but is much more inconvenient to get around compared to CP. I monger there because I play golf nearby. There is not a whole lot to do besides. It is also low profile. A mongers convention would stand out like dogs' balls. Tangxia is basically a factory town and CP is basically a mongering town. I have yet to see a lao wai anywhere near any mongering place in Tangxia. I think it is basically a local scene.
[QUOTE=Dan Hawaii]Jettsetter,
Another way is to fly straight into Guangzhou, take a short cab to the train station, and ride the train into DG (45 min).[/QUOTE]Yah, but flights to GZ aren't as avaialble or as cheap as into HK. I personally like flying Cathay from the States. First, if you join the MArco Polo Club, after 30k miles (basically two RT's) you get into their "Silver" Status which gives you lounge access anytime you fly with Cathay. That's great considering lounge access is relatively expensive. Free food and drinks, etc.
Anyways, that's just my two cents.
Spent last night in CP after a long day in Guangzhou, arrived around 8 pm, so went and grabbed a bite to eat. My wingman was in town as well, but for other reasons, so we hooked up just briefly. After securing some food, we walked back to the Lucky Hotel with my intentions of grabbing a girl from behind the Hui Mei.
I spotted a van parked in front of the little park which is next to the Hui Mei, inside was 6 lovely little things all for sale, as I was looking over the girls, 2 more beauties arrived from the Hui Mei. I then remembered one of the girls who had returned as this was the pussy wagon that I had observed and ordered from during the Chinese New Year.
I chose a sweet one from the very back of the van, she was quite lovely and she went with me to the hotel. She spoke ok English and with my shitty putonghua, we had a nice little chat then she went for a shower and after her, I washed as well. She wanted to cuddle and nap, but I told her if she was a good girl, I would take her all night.
First thing, she refused BBBJ saying it was not good....so, we did a little petting and cuddling, I was barely able to get ONE finger freely in her and two was out of the question, even though she was quite wet. I asked her if she had ever been with a laowai and she said once, so I assumed she knew what she was getting into....I was wrong, out came the word DA when she saw my xiao didi.
She refused Asian Cowgirl because she said it would hurt (TONG) her and insisted I do Mish, I tried about 10 times to push it in, to no avail, and wasted two 0.03's and a handful of Durex Play lubrication in the process.
She then offered me a HJ with CIM, at the point I just agreed to it. After about 15 minutes, she started complaining that her arms were hurting and I was taking to long....lol, that really put me in the mood. Finally, as I was about to cum, she refused to CIM and let it fly all over the place.
She jumped up ran into the bathroom and took a shower, as I laid there with baby batter all over my stomach, I told her to bring me a washcloth, at least she did that correctly....
I took two photos and paid her 100 rmb. It was a strange situation, she was quite friendly while chatting, but was shit in bed, maybe from lack of experience or maybe she was just too damn tiny (btw: I know the laowai she was with, but thats a small matter ;-)
Anyway, I can't recommend her, unless you just want to be with some very young "eye" candy" who speaks a little English. If your looking for good sex, look elesewhere.
Name: Zhang Xiao Yan
Age: I will not say
Home: Hunan
Looks: 7
Skills: 2
-SZE
[QUOTE=Jettsetter]Yah, but flights to GZ aren't as avaialble or as cheap as into HK. I personally like flying Cathay from the States. First, if you join the MArco Polo Club, after 30k miles (basically two RT's) you get into their "Silver" Status which gives you lounge access anytime you fly with Cathay. That's great considering lounge access is relatively expensive. Free food and drinks, etc.
Anyways, that's just my two cents.[/QUOTE]
The best (Cheapest and efficient) way from States into CP is to fly into HK and switch to Dongguan Coach at the basement level of HKIA. 120HK$ and 2 hours (including estimate of 30 mins to cross border on non-peak immigration crowd) get you to CP, Hui Hwa or Hui Mei Hotel, etc. Only problem with HKIA arrival into CP is that you have to cross the immigration twice, that’s also half a page gone from your passport! Whilst if you go through GZ airport you will have to transfer twice, one from Airport to Train station, take the train and from DG train station, cab to hotel. Whilst for HKIA airport its one transfer into coach and it will takes you right to your hotel. If you are traveling heavy… GZ is not a great place to land, it will certainly require you to drag those luggages all over the place during those transfer. My preference: I fly into HKIA, take the Sky Limo which bring me direct from HKIA into the Chinese border without alighting from the car at HK border, cross into China, the Car takes me directly into CP whichever hotel I am putting up with. 220HK$... Max. 2 hours (unless there is a jam at the Chinese border).
Depends on which part of States; Cathay does have flights into LAX, SFO and NYC. I am just curious why they didn't have one for Seattle. Only problem with United or Star alliance is you need 50,000 to be Gold member which will then allows you to use the Lounge. No problem for me; of my 1K.
Except the fact that when flying from and to USA, those TSA procedures sucks! The last time I forgot to put those tubes of lube in that stupid transparent bag for inspection, the TSA kick a big fuss out of it. In the end, I just ask them take or throw it into the bin! Too bad… those CP girls suffered due to poor lubrication from local KY! You will not get that TSA checks if you are flying from GZ back to USA.
Enjoy!
AG
[QUOTE=Dan Hawaii]I'm confused where CP is??? Is this the city where Club Sundae is? Sorry, I was just drunk all the damn time and disbelieving on how beautiful the freaking girl was holding my arm was, the whole trip was a blurrrrrrrrrr.
Anyways, there is a KTV open bar and Hotel just down the road from Club Sunday, where it bens. The place is like 4 star and everyone dresses up like the Venetian Hotel in Las Vegas (Venice). Lots of hot 6-9 girls. There's a show and open bar. The best time to go is at 7pm where there are like 150 girls lined up in a wide ass hallway.
There is another one like 3 minutes away, I forgot the name but it is a older hotel also, it's on the corner of the main drag.[/QUOTE]Another Kama'aina here. I'm actually heading to the Goodview hotel this weekend. Might be going to CP later next month as well. When are you planning on going?
For some reason, it's rather quiet in CP BBS scene. I have just come back from behind Hui Mei BBS. Visited 3 shops. 15-20 girls to choose around 9.15pm in second shop and about 10-15 girls. Not much traffic around that area. Collected about 5 cards from Mummy and runner. I decided to to go to Miraton KTV with 3 friends from overseas. Fully booked when we walked in but just received a call to go down in 30 mins with one room available. Will keep you guys up to date.
DU96
AG,
Cathay also fly from Vancouver and Toronto for seattle go to sfo or van to connect, I am flying back to sfo today no time for CP this time may be next month.
Fast eddie 48
[QUOTE=Downunder96]For some reason, it's rather quiet in CP BBS scene. I have just come back from behind Hui Mei BBS. Visited 3 shops. 15-20 girls to choose around 9.15pm in second shop and about 10-15 girls. Not much traffic around that area. Collected about 5 cards from Mummy and runner. I decided to to go to Miraton KTV with 3 friends from overseas. Fully booked when we walked in but just received a call to go down in 30 mins with one room available. Will keep you guys up to date.
DU96[/QUOTE]Chinese Proverbs;
It is always quiet before the storm arrives.
The long holiday is coming next week, and everyone is saving the trip till then?
Enjoy!
AG
in the Miraton KTV or behind the Huimei???
The hostess at the Miraton KTV looks excellent. Try to seduce her.
The BBS scene behind the Huimei is always low key when I was there last month. Never saw any girls, just the touts and the mamasans.
[QUOTE=Downunder96]For some reason, it's rather quiet in CP BBS scene. I have just come back from behind Hui Mei BBS. Visited 3 shops. 15-20 girls to choose around 9.15pm in second shop and about 10-15 girls. Not much traffic around that area. Collected about 5 cards from Mummy and runner. I decided to to go to Miraton KTV with 3 friends from overseas. Fully booked when we walked in but just received a call to go down in 30 mins with one room available. Will keep you guys up to date.
DU96[/QUOTE]
Every time I went to SFO, I eneded up with nonstop dates with Ms. Hands due to inability to find any talents. When are you gonna show me the excellent cat houses in your neighborhood?
When you have a chance to go to SOCAL, I can introduce you to some of the biggest, wettest, sloppiest enchiladas you ever ate...
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]AG,
Cathay also fly from Vancouver and Toronto for seattle go to sfo or van to connect, I am flying back to sfo today no time for CP this time may be next month.
Fast eddie 48[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]The BBS scene behind the Huimei is always low key when I was there last month. Never saw any girls, just the touts and the mamasans.[/QUOTE]
It's because the girls are sitting inside the stables and the mamasans only let guys in, who they suspect, have the best dick sizes!
Just joking with ya.............
Actually, there are a lot of mobile pie wagons on the street now where you can do a lineup in front of everyone walking by, nothing like drawing suspicion to yourself.
-SZE
Hi,
Can anyone help me out here.
I'm going to Dongguan in May and would like to know the way it all works over there can you go pick up girls on the street? Is CP the place to be or is there plenty in the Dongguan city?
I dont speak any other language than english will this be a big prolem?
Any hotels anyone can recommend?
I have read all these stories they all sound like fun but can someone tell me what all the ST and the like mean please.
Would appeaciate any help here I am going over there on bussiness trip andway and would like to have some fun to.
Thanks
Hi AG,
Is there a sales booth for sky limo in the HKIA airport? Do you share the cab with other people or you the only customer in the car?
When you are in CP, where do you usually go to exchange USD for RMB?
Was thinking of goin back end of the year. I was there in March. Just happened to be there when ISG convention was in town. Buddies of mine hired a car in HK to take us in to CP it ended costing us $2000 HKD.
[QUOTE= I fly into HKIA, take the Sky Limo which bring me direct from HKIA into the Chinese border without alighting from the car at HK border, cross into China, the Car takes me directly into CP whichever hotel I am putting up with. 220HK$... Max. 2 hours (unless there is a jam at the Chinese border).
Enjoy!
AG[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Downunder96]For some reason, it's rather quiet in CP BBS scene. I have just come back from behind Hui Mei BBS. Visited 3 shops. 15-20 girls to choose around 9.15pm in second shop and about 10-15 girls. Not much traffic around that area. Collected about 5 cards from Mummy and runner. I decided to to go to Miraton KTV with 3 friends from overseas. Fully booked when we walked in but just received a call to go down in 30 mins with one room available. Will keep you guys up to date.
DU96[/QUOTE]
Delta-Uniform, Delta-Uniform and Sierra-Zuru, Sierra-Zuru, This is Alpha-Golf, Report in on current situation, over. :D
AG
This is Oscar Whisky Lima...
My big antenna has been shot off... my ass is burning red hot... hydraulics leaking big time...
I am going in ...I am going in...
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Delta-Uniform, Delta-Uniform and Sierra-Zuru, Sierra-Zuru, This is Alpha-Golf, Report in on current situation, over. :D
AG[/QUOTE]
May not be long in the future when you may find mamasans carrying tape measures and quote ST/LT prices to mongers by the lengths and girths of their dicks...
Looks like the mamasans are going mobile, taking the girls around in their homobiles directly to the mongers...Another creative marketing strategy by the industry.
Must be very nice sitting around in CP, having unlimited supply of cheap pussies delivered to your rooms. CP may beat ZH as the ultimate mongers' paradise.
Damn it's nice to live in CHina.
[QUOTE=Szexpat]It's because the girls are sitting inside the stables and the mamasans only let guys in, who they suspect, have the best dick sizes!
Just joking with ya.............
Actually, there are a lot of mobile pie wagons on the street now where you can do a lineup in front of everyone walking by, nothing like drawing suspicion to yourself.
-SZE[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]Every time I went to SFO, I eneded up with nonstop dates with Ms. Hands due to inability to find any talents. When are you gonna show me the excellent cat houses in your neighborhood?
When you have a chance to go to SOCAL, I can introduce you to some of the biggest, wettest, sloppiest enchiladas you ever ate...[/QUOTE]To OWL,
I live in LA for 5 yr may be I can show you a thing or two in LALA land , I don't p4p in US anymore too expensive and I am too spoil by the girl in asia and China , my last night here in HK flying back tomorrow not too much mongering on this trip too much work and with my co worker and the boss.
fast eddie 48
[QUOTE=Chillin]Hi AG,
Is there a sales booth for sky limo in the HKIA airport? Do you share the cab with other people or you the only customer in the car?
When you are in CP, where do you usually go to exchange USD for RMB?
Was thinking of going back end of the year. I was there in March. Just happened to be there when ISG convention was in town. Buddies of mine hired a car in HK to take us in to CP it ended costing us $2000 HKD.[/QUOTE]
At the HKIA, there are two Exit after the Customs, if you take the exit the right side of the Baggage claims,(reason for this is because it is nearer to the place the boarding station for the transport) once you pass the customs you will see the tourist information counter. Turn right (That the only way you can go) walked pass the Train tickets machines, you will see a Foreign Exchange counter on your left, the right hand side, you will see the Skylimo counter. It is clearly marked "Cross Border Transport". Normally there will be a Usher in green uniform standing around there asking you where do you want to go. Just tell her that you want to go to Chang Ping, and your Hotel name. Make sure you tell them you want the "Small Car service" If I remember correctly, (shit I am getting old!) it is HK$220, you can also pay with Credit Cards, US$, RMB etc. (Hey this is Hong Kong!), upon purchasing the tickets they will place a round "SKYLIMO" sticker on your shirt/Jacket (Do not remove this. the usher will lead you to the basement on the right side of the Arrival hall where you will be transferred to a 7 seaters MPV. You will share the MPV with others. Sometime if you arrived there at odd hours, you may have to wait about 10 - 15mins for at least 3 to 4 person on the MPV before they will set off. If you want to Hire and Private car, share it with your own friends, you can also hire that at the same counter, it will cost no more than HK$1,200 per car.
If you had already walked passed the counters and exit to the main Arrival hall by mistake, no worries, just look for SKYLIMO counter nearer to the left side of the arrival hall. There is several Transport company with counters there, these are for Coaches, Private cars, E&E transport etc. You may also try asking around if you have time. But if not, look for SKYLIMO or ladies in Green/Orange Uniforms or just people around for "SKYLIMO".
These 7 seaters MPV will take you through HK border immigration without needing you the alighting from the car, but you still need to alight at the China border (Huang gang Border). You are to carry your own luggage clear the Immigration, clear the Customs and at the other end, look for SKYLIMO ladies with Green/Orange uniforms. Most of the time they will approach you once you arrive at the exit. How they know? Your Round SKYLIMO sticker! Here's the tricky part, if you use the "Small Car service" sometimes they will try to tell you that their small car is on their way but you may have to wait 30 mins, they have a coach waiting to go to CP and if it is OK for you, you can leave immediately. My experience, this coach actually does goes to CP but it will stopp by 3 other stops along the way. The whole journey will take you at least 2 over hours from the border before you Arrive in CP. So DON'T accept the Coach! They do this sometime mainly because if you arrive in HuangGang border at odd hours, there are only 1 or 2 persons going to CP, they just want to safe a trip for the drivers and push you onto the Coach service. The MPVs are parked on the Right side of the Huang Gang complex. You will walk passed the Restrooms.
On the Money exchange: My Advise, is to get them exchange at the Borders crossing, if you looks for this "shops" with China Construction bank logos, or Bank of China logos. you can get them exchange there. Otherwise, it is a little difficult to get RMB with US$ in CP. The China Construction Bank and Bank of China in CP will take in US$ for RMB. However, you have to queue up in the long line. There is a China Construction bank across the road from Miraton hotel and Bank of China at the far end of the same street if you are walking toward Lucky Hotel from Miraton. You have to walk past Lucky hotel near the end of the street.
There are some good maps posted by Laowai123 and some other members on this threads so make sure you study them before you set of. I normally get my Money exchange before getting into CP because there is less hustle and also I do not want to be seen walking out of the Bank in CP with stack of 100RMB notes. If I get them exchange at teh borders, I can nicely lock up the extra cash and wallet in the hotel safe, carry only enough cash to go around (Normally 500RMB is enough unless you are going to the KTV).
Lastly: American Express Travel Checks are no good in CP or most parts of Guangdong. The last time round our buddy Santa, had hard time getting cash for them in Dongguan.
BTW: 2000HK$ for a private car from HKIA to CP????? God... ! I think you guys been ripped off! I ever took a Limo from HKIA all the way to CP for HK$1500, the car was a Audi A6, dual plates, I think they call it a Diplomat's car because it does have a HK plate and a Guangdong license plate and it carries a red beacon on top. It took me right passed all the border immigration without me coming down from the car. My friend from HK arranged for this, I got no ideal where can I book it in HKIA.
Enjoy!
AG
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]This is Oscar Whisky Lima...
My big antenna has been shot off... my ass is burning red hot... hydraulics leaking big time...
I am going in ...I am going in...[/QUOTE]
Your post had been editted to sounds better:
[QUOTE=Editted version]
[B]MAY DAY MAYDAY [/B] ....This is Oscar Whisky Lima...
My big antenna has been shot off... my ass is burning red hot... hydraulics leaking big time... [B]no parachutes onboard!....[/B]
I am going in ...I am going in...
[/QUOTE]
For newbies:
May day = Labor Day Holidays => Next week!
Parachutes = Do Not forget your Condoms!!!!!
Enjoy!
AG
Expected 4 great nights in Dongguan and surrounding.
-Night 1 : 7th floor Cinese Hotel (see previous report)
-Night 2 : back in hotel at 00.45 after long day with boring meetings and too tired (wakeup again at 6.30)
-Night 3 : same story as day 2
-Night 4 : shedule changed, traveling to HK (luckely had some time left in the afternoon to go to Bajun Hotel sauna in Guanzhou)
Next time, I stay 1 week to visit BBS scene, KTV (thx for the tips) and try 600 - 900 girls at 7th floor.
And for sure I don't let my office make my appointments again.
TIP : don't stay in Cinese Hotel. They aren't worth 5 stars: food is very good but rooms are old and service is horrible.
7th floor can be heaven but you don't have to stay in the hotel to go there.
Just enter the lobby pretending you're a guest and head to the elevators at the left of reception.
[QUOTE=Race Track]I have flown NYC to Hong Kong several times on Contintental Airlines. Contintental generally has the best price, and it allows me to earn Continental FF miles. But the leg room and service are lousy.
Is there more leg-room and service on Cathey? The cost is about 50% more (and no Continental FF miles). Is it worth it?
Thanks for your help.
Racetrack[/QUOTE]I also take Continental EWR-HKG non-stop.
I have not personally taken any Cathay Pacific flights.
However I think I can still contribute some information.
This is the data I obtained from an awsome website called seatguru.com
Cathay Pacific Airways
Airbus A346 ( used for thier non-stop flights from JFK to HKG )
Economy Class Seat: Pitch =32.0" , Width= 17.5"
[url]http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Cathay_Pacific_Airways/Cathay_Pacific_Airways_Airbus_A346.php[/url]
Continental Airlines
Boeing 777 ( used for thier non-stop flights from EWR to HKG )
Economy Class Seat: Pitch =31.0" , Width= 17.9"
[url]http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Continental_Airlines/Continental_Airlines_Boeing_777-200.php[/url]
Sorry I could not find info on legroom.
Happy
I went to Dongguan yesterday for a trade show, but didn't know the layout and came back to Shenzhen where I live instead.
From what I've heard, I need to go. I'd like to find some more info on the layout of the scene. Especially the cheaper scene.
I want more details and recent reports about the 150 girls lined up and the 30-50 RMB shacks! I'll show up in a space suit!
I don't really want to pay more than about 2-300, regardless of quality. Since I paid 800 to the Lisboa Hotel girl in Macau for a rushed, no-titty-suckin 35 minute hour. I did manage to slap her ass hard. Every thing I did, NO NO NO.
She helped me get in touch with my price sensitivity.
[QUOTE=Race Track]I have flown NYC to Hong Kong several times on Contintental Airlines. Contintental generally has the best price, and it allows me to earn Continental FF miles. But the leg room and service are lousy.
Is there more leg-room and service on Cathey? The cost is about 50% more (and no Continental FF miles). Is it worth it?
Thanks for your help.
Racetrack[/QUOTE]
Continental has the best price of tickets but I hate the leg rooms and the in-flights meal sucks! The service is bad too!
Cathay Pacific has the same leg room but the meals and service are slightly better. You pay 40 - 50% more for that.
United has the best legroom with their premier class. The meals are comparable to Cathay's but the service??? :( You pay 60% more compared to Continental. And there are only direct flights from LAX & SFO into HKG
NorthWest Airlines: Legroom, Meals, Service sucks. They don't have a direct flight from JFK into HKG, only from LAX, cost as much as United.
AG
Thanks so much, Ace --
This is the kind of indispensable and useful info that makes this forum unique. I'm going in via HK on the 3rd of May and have been looking for exactly this information. I'll probably take the private car option, but it's good to know the cheaper van option is also available. Is the van comfortable?
Also, any chance you'll be around between the 3rd and the 24th of May?
RS
[QUOTE=Rising Son]Thanks so much, Ace --
This is the kind of indispensable and useful info that makes this forum unique. I'm going in via HK on the 3rd of May and have been looking for exactly this information. I'll probably take the private car option, but it's good to know the cheaper van option is also available. Is the van comfortable?
Also, any chance you'll be around between the 3rd and the 24th of May?
RS[/QUOTE]
The Van is comfortable. Its a MPV which is not much a difference from a car. In fact, it is more spacious than a car.
Unfortunately I am home bound for USA next week. But I might drop by CP on my way back the week after. I’ll let you know via PM if I’m heading there.
Enjoy!
AG
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]On the Money exchange: My Advise, is to get them exchange at the Borders crossing, if you looks for this "shops" with China Construction bank logos, or Bank of China logos. you can get them exchange there. Otherwise, it is a little difficult to get RMB with US$ in CP. The China Construction Bank and Bank of China in CP will take in US$ for RMB. However, you have to queue up in the long line. There is a China Construction bank across the road from Miraton hotel and Bank of China at the far end of the same street if you are walking toward Lucky Hotel from Miraton. You have to walk past Lucky hotel near the end of the street.
Enjoy!
AG[/QUOTE]You can use your MC or VISA card at the ATM machines in DG. There is a small service charge maybe around $4 a transaction. Many small side shops will exchange USD for a better rate than many large banks. But make sure you go to a reputable one and check for counterfeit. Your hotel will do exchanges, but they have bad rates.
[QUOTE=Dan Hawaii]You can use your MC or VISA card at the ATM machines in DG. There is a small service charge maybe around $4 a transaction. Many small side shops will exchange USD for a better rate than many large banks. But make sure you go to a reputable one and check for counterfeit. Your hotel will do exchanges, but they have bad rates.[/QUOTE]
Do not agree totally;
As the subject is on CP; You can use MC or VISA at the ATM machines ONLY at China Construction Banks and Bank Of China. However, there are many times when the international network is down, especially the weekends, when the bank are closed. They message you will get is "Unable to process your transaction - refer to issuer bank." or "Card transactions not excepted"
[B]Never trust those small shops to exchange your money! Especially when you are not a regular to CP,[/B] you will not know which are the reputable ones. You may ended up with 5 out of 8 notes that are counterfeits! Although their rates may be better, it is not worth the risk. A friend of mine ended up getting 5 X 100RMB notes that are counterfeit out of the US$100 he changed. 8 to 1; he thought is a great deal! But he later found out that most of them are counterfeit and returned to the shop to confront them, they said that he wrongly accused them and threathen to beat him up if he continues to create a scene there. There are no prove for him and so he cannot go to the police.
I had a bad experience with even with the bank. I withdrawn 2000RMB from my local account and found later that one of the 100RMB note is counterfeit. This is The China Merchant Bank ATM next to Virgin Hotel. I cannot go back to the bank because they will fully deny it. The fact is, you can only get a counterfeit 100RMB note from the Bank. Nobody will or need to give you a 100RMB as change. The note now sits framed it up in front of my work table reminding me of how not to trust the Banks in China.
You are right about getting bad rate at the hotels, don't they always give bad rates? Whether it is in China, Japan, or USA or????
Some hotels (bigger ones) and Money changer shop are also set up such that you are able to get RMB by using your VISA or Master cards. But with that, you will get lousy rates, and pay an admin fee to the hotel Plus an admin fee to your bank.
Warning! Never use this option at those Money Changers Shop! Especially if your Credit cards do not need a Pin number for purchases. You will definitely find a lot of other transactions that you never authorise!
Enjoy!
AG
BTW: The friend (or should I say he [B]was[/B] my friend) of mine dispose those notes at the BBSs girls! What an idiot!
If you "read all these stories, you would not have to ask your questions.
[QUOTE=Dongguans]Hi,
Can anyone help me out here.
I'm going to Dongguan in May and would like to know the way it all works over there can you go pick up girls on the street? Is CP the place to be or is there plenty in the Dongguan city?
I dont speak any other language than english will this be a big prolem?
Any hotels anyone can recommend?
I have read all these stories they all sound like fun but can someone tell me what all the ST and the like mean please.
Would appeaciate any help here I am going over there on bussiness trip andway and would like to have some fun to.
Thanks[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]This is The China Merchant Bank ATM next to Virgin Hotel.[/QUOTE]
If you mean next to the Virgin Hotel, then that is a local Dongguan Bank and not a China Merchants ATM. I know, because I have a China Merchants account and tried to use my card there on my first trip to CP, didn't work. CM Bank is closer to the market street.
Never had a problem wit CCB next to McDonalds or the BoC on the opposite end of the road.
-SZE
[QUOTE=Szexpat]If you mean next to the Virgin Hotel, then that is a local Dongguan Bank and not a China Merchants ATM. I know, because I have a China Merchants account and tried to use my card there on my first trip to CP, didn't work. CM Bank is closer to the market street.
Never had a problem wit CCB next to McDonalds or the BoC on the opposite end of the road.
-SZE[/QUOTE]
Or was it Dongguang Merchants Bank? I know there is a Merchant somewhere in the name.....!
Well you never have a problem with CCB or BoC is because you are never there on weekend. I have a 20% failure rates with them and Santa was having problems with his card the last time round.
Anyways, always play safe to have RMB before going to smaller towns.
Enjoy!
AG
[QUOTE=Dongguans]Hi,
Can anyone help me out here.
I'm going to Dongguan in May and would like to know the way it all works over there can you go pick up girls on the street? Is CP the place to be or is there plenty in the Dongguan city?
I dont speak any other language than english will this be a big prolem?
Any hotels anyone can recommend?
I have read all these stories they all sound like fun but can someone tell me what all the ST and the like mean please.
Would appeaciate any help here I am going over there on bussiness trip andway and would like to have some fun to.
Thanks[/QUOTE]
OAH, your so nice, let me spank him.
Dude, RTFF if you do not know that acronym, it stands for "Read The Fucking Forums"
This thread more than lays out how, what, when, where and why in CP and the surrounding areas! Hell, Laowai123 even took the time to do a Google Earth map of all the damn places for everyone to plot out their course of action.
Well, your in China so yeah, it's gonna be a problem if you dont speak some Chinese (either Putonghua or Guangdonghua). If you want them to speak English and you don't wanna make any effort to learn the common tongue, then best you stay in Hong Kong and don't venture North across the border.
We can't recommend a single hotel for you, try you local travel agent.
ST = Stupid Tourist
If you read all these stories, did you comprehend? Can you afford a pen and paper to actually take notes? If you read this forum, rather then the 3 posts before you asked your well researched questions, then 99.9999% of them would have already been answered.
Sincerely,
SZE
P.S. Have a Great Day
[QUOTE=Amboyplayer]I want more details and recent reports about the 150 girls lined up and the 30-50 RMB shacks! I'll show up in a space suit[/QUOTE]
All the BBS's are 150 ST, unless your a laowai then it normally runs you 200
Nobody I know actually uses the Catacombs for sex, but I think it is on Laowai 123's Google Earth map of CP.
-SZE
P.S. I was in CP just a couple of days ago and wrote a report, how much more recent do you need then that? The posts on here are fresh!
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Well you never have a problem with CCB or BoC is because you are never there on weekend. I have a 20% failure rates with them and Santa was having problems with his card the last time round.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I think it might actually be called Dongguan City Merchants Banks, hell it uses the same colors, red and white as CMB.
Sometimes I come on the weekend, but I get frustrated because you got all the good girls under your spell. When they hear AG is in town, you would think Hu Jin Tao just arrived.
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Do not agree totally;
However, there are many times when the international network is down, especially the weekends, when the bank are closed. They message you will get is "Unable to process your transaction - refer to issuer bank." or "Card transactions not excepted"
![/QUOTE]
The manager at the Bank of China repeatedly insisted that there was something wrong with my mastercard or my US bank account. When I asked him to cash a travelers check he told me to go to Shenzhen.
The problem was with their atm machines.
The atm networks go down all the time on weekends, and when they go down at (least in ZMT) they all go down for that particular bank. Theres nothing much the bank ppl can do cept shrug their shoulders. CMB has higher limits for me on an American CC than BoC. If you use BoAm, CMB is the bank you want to use for better rates.
I think its safer to use ATM or bring cash.
In a jam in ZMT, there is a off label money exchange/convenient store at the central bus stop in town next to the new agricultural bank (across the street from McD. Theres usually a line of hkers changing currencies outside anyways. I've had friends use this all the time and never had a fake bill problem. Although check the bills before you leave.
If you are going to be staying in China for awhile, you can open up a Chinese bank account with only your passport and 1 rmb. I still maintain bank accounts in the states, but always transfer "daily life" money into my Chinese account. This way, if I run into a situation where my stateside card does not work, I have local backup sources for cash.
-SZE
I've been here the last 2 weeks in CP, and noticed that the ATM's don't work that much on the weekends, and in the evenings. So the best time to go would be late mornings for some reason.
Porter
[QUOTE=Szexpat]
Sometimes I come on the weekend, but I get frustrated because you got all the good girls under your spell. When they hear AG is in town, you would think Hu Jin Tao just arrived.[/QUOTE]
Hey wait! If Hu Jing Tao is arriving in CP, wouldn't they clean up the place? Or will they bring in the best girls from the "reserved" secret places??? :D
AG
if you don't speak the local language. And a bank that is national with ATM machines?
You mean they also have no minimum requirement too?
Bill
[QUOTE=Szexpat]If you are going to be staying in China for awhile, you can open up a Chinese bank account with only your passport and 1 rmb. I still maintain bank accounts in the states, but always transfer "daily life" money into my Chinese account. This way, if I run into a situation where my stateside card does not work, I have local backup sources for cash.
-SZE[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]if you don't speak the local language. And a bank that is national with ATM machines?
You mean they also have no minimum requirement too?
Bill[/QUOTE]
China Merchants Bank, no minimum, ATM in English, National, 1 rmb to open account. I suspect Bank of China is the same.
[QUOTE=AsianBleu]Hi All,
This is my first time in the forum and have been reading all the great comments each of you have posted. I am a newbie coming to CP for the 2nd time. The last time was back in May 06. I am hoping to meet up with anyone especially the senior members that have contributed greatly to this forum. I will be in CP from May 4 until May 22 if anyone will like to take a newbie around. Please PM me if you are interested in meeting up. I will also need any recommendation for hotels as well.
Thanks
AsianBleu[/QUOTE]Dear AsianBleu,
I am quite new to this forum. I will be in CP from 8th to 11th May. Will you be interested to meet up and go hunting together? I will reach CP at about 4pm and intends to stay at Hui Mei. How about meeting at the reception at 4pm?
Tigerman 2438
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant][B]Never trust those small shops to exchange your money! Especially when you are not a regular to CP,[/B] you will not know which are the reputable ones. You may ended up with 5 out of 8 notes that are counterfeits! Although their rates may be better, it is not worth the risk. A friend of mine ended up getting 5 X 100RMB notes that are counterfeit out of the US$100 he changed. 8 to 1; he thought is a great deal! But he later found out that most of them are counterfeit and returned to the shop to confront them, they said that he wrongly accused them and threathen to beat him up if he continues to create a scene there. There are no prove for him and so he cannot go to the police.[/QUOTE]For all countries, when you exchange money, you can actually check the money for their security markings. Do this when you are counting the money from of the person you got them from. If you even slightly suspect one being counterfeit, just ask them politely to change it. Do not leave the place of exchange until you are certain that you have authentic notes.
When you find a place that gives you authentic notes on the first try, then you should return to him, because he is not trying to cheat you.
[QUOTE=Dan Hawaii]For all countries, when you exchange money, you can actually check the money for their security markings. Do this when you are counting the money from of the person you got them from. If you even slightly suspect one being counterfeit, just ask them politely to change it. Do not leave the place of exchange until you are certain that you have authentic notes.
When you find a place that gives you authentic notes on the first try, then you should return to him, because he is not trying to cheat you.[/QUOTE]To Dan,
I did change hkd to rmb at a small store in CP once small amount 1000 hkd it was national holiday 2 yr ago no problem , CP is a small town and banking and change money is pain in the ass no bank will do a cash advanced or change american express , good idea to do it in Shenzhen or Guangzhou before you go to CP , the large hotel will change money but rate is lousy.
Fast eddie 48
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]To Dan,
I did change hkd to rmb at a small store in CP once small amount 1000 hkd it was national holiday 2 yr ago no problem , CP is a small town and banking and change money is pain in the ass no bank will do a cash advanced or change american express , good idea to do it in Shenzhen or Guangzhou before you go to CP , the large hotel will change money but rate is lousy.
Fast eddie 48[/QUOTE]I'm at the Jai Mei Hotel rigtht now and the reception host said they also except HKD. She said it is valued the same as RMB.
Lenny
[QUOTE=Dan Hawaii]For all countries, when you exchange money, you can actually check the money for their security markings. Do this when you are counting the money from of the person you got them from. If you even slightly suspect one being counterfeit, just ask them politely to change it. Do not leave the place of exchange until you are certain that you have authentic notes.
When you find a place that gives you authentic notes on the first try, then you should return to him, because he is not trying to cheat you.[/QUOTE]
If we get a chance to meet I will be able to show you two fake 100 notes and one fake 50 note with exect same Security markings as the true ones, you really need a machine to tell.
In most cases, you will not carry a machine around nor at the time of the exchange you would want to be seen going through a stack of 100s notes one by one. That will attract too much attention.
Most of the small shop that will pass you the fake notes will not place a machine in their shop for you to verify the notes. Why will they do that? Since they are going to cheat you they will try every means not to let you know isn't it?
So in conclusion; I had even got fake notes from Banks ATM machines, if banks cannot be trustable, how much can we trust those small shops? It is better Safe than Sorry.
Enjoy and stay safe!
AG
If you scratch your thumbnail across Mao's coat you will feel that it has little ridges. You can also buy a small ultraviolet flashlight for 5rmb or 10rmb. When you shine it on the note you will see special markings.
[QUOTE=Rising Son]Hey, Y'all --
Will be back in CP from May 3 through May 24 and would love to meet up with anyone who's in the neighborhood. Maybe even go down (up?) to Houjie and check it out.
Had a great time in March/April, due largely to the other guys who were there, although the girls helped, too. I'll be at the Miraton and will be happy to hear from anyone by PM who will be around. Or send me your mobile number and I'll send you mine.
Hoping to see a bunch of you, and to meet the legendary Fast Eddie.
RS[/QUOTE]Hi RS,
Will be at the Hui Mei 8th to 11th May. Would like to meet up. Will be there at 4pm. Ask the reception for Tiger. Hope to see you.
Tigerman
[QUOTE=Santa]If you scratch your thumbnail across Mao's coat you will feel that it has little ridges. You can also buy a small ultraviolet flashlight for 5rmb or 10rmb. When you shine it on the note you will see special markings.[/QUOTE]
I noticed some taxis cab drivers use ultraviolet flashlight on larger bills like 50s and 100s at night.
I have a very good fake 50 RMB. I showed to several people and most could not tell if it was real or fake. Another person used ultraviolet light on the fake and it DID show the infrared marking. I think the best way is to compare with a real one side by side and look/feel at all the security marking.
I would try to exchange my money at a bank since they have a machine that counts and check for fakes. It's better than an unknown source like a small store.
[QUOTE=Weelock]I noticed some taxis cab drivers use ultraviolet flashlight on larger bills like 50s and 100s at night.
I have a very good fake 50 RMB. I showed to several people and most could not tell if it was real or fake. Someone used ultraviolet light on it and it did show the infrared marking.[/QUOTE]
Agreed with Weelock on the Ultraviolet marking. 50 RMB notes should have a 50 that shines out under ultaviolet light however, the new fake ones also have this markings. You put the real and the fake side by side, you will notice that the fake ones have tone are lighter.
Enjoy!
AG
[QUOTE=Weelock]I would try to exchange my money at a bank since they have a machine that counts and check for fakes. It's better than an unknown source like a small store.[/QUOTE]
It's a good idea to carry a good amount of small notes with you so you don't have to use taxi drivers etc. to give you large amount of dubious change.
When I'm in China I travel around with this ultra-violet light pen, it's pretty small and easy to carry around. With this you can easily dectect the watermark on the notes.
MazterMac
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]If we get a chance to meet I will be able to show you two fake 100 notes and one fake 50 note with exect same Security markings as the true ones, you really need a machine to tell.
In most cases, you will not carry a machine around nor at the time of the exchange you would want to be seen going through a stack of 100s notes one by one. That will attract too much attention.
Most of the small shop that will pass you the fake notes will not place a machine in their shop for you to verify the notes. Why will they do that? Since they are going to cheat you they will try every means not to let you know isn't it?
So in conclusion; I had even got fake notes from Banks ATM machines, if banks cannot be trustable, how much can we trust those small shops? It is better Safe than Sorry.
Enjoy and stay safe!
AG[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Maztermac]When I'm in China I travel around with this ultra-violet light pen, it's pretty small and easy to carry around. With this you can easily dectect the watermark on the notes.
MazterMac[/QUOTE]
Yes, I know of such little device in which I had just bought 12 pieces of them, happily distributing them to ISG members recently. It was not until one of them showed me a fake note and used this device on it did I realized that it is not foolproof. The Watermarks and luminous “100” showed up exactly like the real notes. As I mentioned you can only tell the difference if you put a real note next to the fake ones and the luminous glows in a slightly lighter color.
Enjoy!
AG
My 2 cents to the off-topic.
I find the situation not that bad to be honest. As the largets note is a 100 RMB, there is no danger of getting false exchange, if you stick to banks for getting cash (ATM or exchange).
I heard about ATMs giving out false notes however I havent had any case of that myself nor could one be confirmed who told me. In most cases it was apparent that a real note was switched against a fake note later in a taxi, which is common practice. Usually the taxi drivers sometimes the small shops do it. They switch your note against a fake and claim you gave them a fake. Watch the guys. My record was 4 notes switched by one driver in a row! I first played along as I knew my notes were ok, as I checked them in a machine before when receiving, to see how far he would go. After the 4th I wrote down his license number and told him he either gives me my real notes or I go to the police, of wich he happily complied and gave me the rie for free.
Please note that if you have problems with a taxi driver, theatratically write down his drivers license number (displayd right on the dashboard beside him)and show him you will complain. That helps a lot, its not a joke, if you complain to the taxi companies (they have english speaking hotlines now sometimes!) they do take that very seriously and fine the taxi driver or even fire them for serious coplaints (although definitely better in Guangzhou and Shenzhen).
The bigest problem I find are 50 RMB notes. As mentioned before by experiences people in this thread, dont give the taxi drivers (the main source of fake note distribution!) a chance and take small notes along, never pay your 20 RMB bill with a 100 note. Beside above extreme story that practice of exchanging one happend again at least 3 times to me within short time a few years ago. Fortunately I was able to spot the fakes or seen his switch so no damage, however I have learned that lesson and dont take further chances.
The 50 RMB fake can with some expertise easiliy be spottet:
1. The fake is smooth on the collor of the pic if you scratch with your fingernail there - the real one is rough form the print.
2. if you gently rub the fake note against a white wall or ceiling in a small shop, the wall stays clean - the real one leaves a slight green mark on the wall.
To check on watermarks is often in deed futile as the fakes are really very good now.
Hope that helps a little,
Babaluba
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[QUOTE=DayNight]It's a good idea to carry a good amount of small notes with you so you don't have to use taxi drivers etc. to give you large amount of dubious change.[/QUOTE]
Very good point! In CP, we go around with those minivans that cost you 15RMB to anywhere. always have 10 and 5 RMB notes.
However never carry a stack of 100s, carry enough to get by for your outhings, and lock the rest (including your wallet) in the hotel.
AG
But wouldn't you know it, the ultra violet pens were fake.
Bill
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Yes, I know of such little device in which I had just bought 12 pieces of them, happily distributing them to ISG members recently. It was not until one of them showed me a fake note and used this device on it did I realized that it is not foolproof. The Watermarks and luminous “100” showed up exactly like the real notes. As I mentioned you can only tell the difference if you put a real note next to the fake ones and the luminous glows in a slightly lighter color.
Enjoy!
AG[/QUOTE]
ag,
thank you for the info. there's no doubt in my mind you definitely know what you're talkin about. thank you for sharing your knowledge.
so with the skylimo, i still have to get out of the vehicle? dang. i wanted to avoid that. the car service we took last time, we didn't have to get out of the car at all. the vehicle did have dual plates. only the driver had to get out and put their thumb on a scanner. when we crossed through the two checkpoints, we had to give our passports for inspeaction, the customs would peer through the windows to look at us and that was it. we'd also get shot with a temperature laser to check for fever. do you think skylimo offers this service?
for the money exchange, i thought you might know of a private spot to exchange money for better rates. we went to this one place that was across the street from the mongolian restaruant. i got 7. 65 rmb for 1 usd. i thought that wasn't too bad. it was so weird cause the place had no security whatsoever. i had a few candies and cigarettes on display. when we went in, dropped off a couple of grand and she started runnin the rmb thru a money counter out in the open. needless to say i was quite nervous of robbers. my friend said that if they have the means to open this shop, there's no need to worry about this place getting robbed. you just have to worry about yourself.
for us mongers, get capital one credit card. they give you the true exchange rate no fees whatsoever. i was getting 7. 81 for hkd purchases and 7. 76 for china purchases.
if i pop up on that side of the world one day i'll pm to see if you're around.
[quote=ace gallant]at the hkia, there are two exit after the customs, if you take the exit the right side of the baggage claims,(reason for this is because it is nearer to the place the boarding station for the transport) once you pass the customs you will see the tourist information counter. turn right (that the only way you can go) walked pass the train tickets machines, you will see a foreign exchange counter on your left, the right hand side, you will see the skylimo counter. it is clearly marked "cross border transport". normally there will be a usher in green uniform standing around there asking you where do you want to go. just tell her that you want to go to chang ping, and your hotel name. make sure you tell them you want the "small car service" if i remember correctly, (shit i am getting old!) it is hk$220, you can also pay with credit cards, us$, rmb etc. (hey this is hong kong!), upon purchasing the tickets they will place a round "skylimo" sticker on your shirt/jacket (do not remove this. the usher will lead you to the basement on the right side of the arrival hall where you will be transferred to a 7 seaters mpv. you will share the mpv with others. sometime if you arrived there at odd hours, you may have to wait about 10 - 15mins for at least 3 to 4 person on the mpv before they will set off. if you want to hire and private car, share it with your own friends, you can also hire that at the same counter, it will cost no more than hk$1,200 per car.
if you had already walked passed the counters and exit to the main arrival hall by mistake, no worries, just look for skylimo counter nearer to the left side of the arrival hall. there is several transport company with counters there, these are for coaches, private cars, e&e transport etc. you may also try asking around if you have time. but if not, look for skylimo or ladies in green/orange uniforms or just people around for "skylimo".
these 7 seaters mpv will take you through hk border immigration without needing you the alighting from the car, but you still need to alight at the china border (huang gang border). you are to carry your own luggage clear the immigration, clear the customs and at the other end, look for skylimo ladies with green/orange uniforms. most of the time they will approach you once you arrive at the exit. how they know? your round skylimo sticker! here's the tricky part, if you use the "small car service" sometimes they will try to tell you that their small car is on their way but you may have to wait 30 mins, they have a coach waiting to go to cp and if it is ok for you, you can leave immediately. my experience, this coach actually does goes to cp but it will stopp by 3 other stops along the way. the whole journey will take you at least 2 over hours from the border before you arrive in cp. so don't accept the coach! they do this sometime mainly because if you arrive in huanggang border at odd hours, there are only 1 or 2 persons going to cp, they just want to safe a trip for the drivers and push you onto the coach service. the mpvs are parked on the right side of the huang gang complex. you will walk passed the restrooms.
on the money exchange: my advise, is to get them exchange at the borders crossing, if you looks for this "shops" with china construction bank logos, or bank of china logos. you can get them exchange there. otherwise, it is a little difficult to get rmb with us$ in cp. the china construction bank and bank of china in cp will take in us$ for rmb. however, you have to queue up in the long line. there is a china construction bank across the road from miraton hotel and bank of china at the far end of the same street if you are walking toward lucky hotel from miraton. you have to walk past lucky hotel near the end of the street.
there are some good maps posted by laowai123 and some other members on this threads so make sure you study them before you set of. i normally get my money exchange before getting into cp because there is less hustle and also i do not want to be seen walking out of the bank in cp with stack of 100rmb notes. if i get them exchange at teh borders, i can nicely lock up the extra cash and wallet in the hotel safe, carry only enough cash to go around (normally 500rmb is enough unless you are going to the ktv).
lastly: american express travel checks are no good in cp or most parts of guangdong. the last time round our buddy santa, had hard time getting cash for them in dongguan.
btw: 2000hk$ for a private car from hkia to cp????? god... ! i think you guys been ripped off! i ever took a limo from hkia all the way to cp for hk$1500, the car was a audi a6, dual plates, i think they call it a diplomat's car because it does have a hk plate and a guangdong license plate and it carries a red beacon on top. it took me right passed all the border immigration without me coming down from the car. my friend from hk arranged for this, i got no ideal where can i book it in hkia.
enjoy!
ag[/quote]
[QUOTE=Chillin]Ag,
Do you think Skylimo offers this service?
If I pop up on that side of the world one day I'll PM to see if you're around.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but the last time two of the members tried the service, it cost them only 1200 RMB (after negotiation).
Enjoy!
AG
there are 2 ways to avoid going through immigrations and customs, one is to book a private car, and the other is to book a seat on the private car.
[quote=chillin]ag,
thank you for the info. there's no doubt in my mind you definitely know what you're talkin about. thank you for sharing your knowledge.
so with the skylimo, i still have to get out of the vehicle? dang. i wanted to avoid that. the car service we took last time, we didn't have to get out of the car at all. the vehicle did have dual plates. only the driver had to get out and put their thumb on a scanner. when we crossed through the two checkpoints, we had to give our passports for inspeaction, the customs would peer through the windows to look at us and that was it. we'd also get shot with a temperature laser to check for fever. do you think skylimo offers this service?
for the money exchange, i thought you might know of a private spot to exchange money for better rates. we went to this one place that was across the street from the mongolian restaruant. i got 7. 65 rmb for 1 usd. i thought that wasn't too bad. it was so weird cause the place had no security whatsoever. i had a few candies and cigarettes on display. when we went in, dropped off a couple of grand and she started runnin the rmb thru a money counter out in the open. needless to say i was quite nervous of robbers. my friend said that if they have the means to open this shop, there's no need to worry about this place getting robbed. you just have to worry about yourself.
for us mongers, get capital one credit card. they give you the true exchange rate no fees whatsoever. i was getting 7. 81 for hkd purchases and 7. 76 for china purchases.
if i pop up on that side of the world one day i'll pm to see if you're around.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Transporter]There are 2 ways to avoid going through immigrations and customs, one is to book a private car, and the other is to book a seat on the private car.[/QUOTE]
Chillin,
the private car is the best way to avoid immigration and customs. i have been using this mode of transportation between HKIA and crossing the border to SZ. The cost is around 700-800RMB. PM me if you want the company that i use.
Day #1 Wed
Rolled out to CP with Wadman and Sukhumvitter. Did tour of Yalan after checking into Lucky Hotel. Shops well stocked, My mommy see's me and tells me 200 this time to take her, I want, but while getting taxi, she return my 100 and not go.
AG, might need your assistance in convincing her she needs the laowai! I'll PM you which one I talk about.
Take Vit on his first tour of the Catacombs, he loves it, approx. 20 young, pretty girls to see. Vit goes for the best one, she quotes him 100 for 15 minutes, we laugh and walk out.
Wadman on his Honeymoon, so Vit and I do tour behind Hui Mei, get trapped in shop because police drive by. We are ushered out secret backdoor, I see police van on snack street filming with video, we go the other way. I go to get haircut, same shop Santa.
After haircut, approached by new mommy called Sisi, taken to another hotel I never knew was there, about 12 fresh girls in new shop, one is over 6 feet tall, and couple others around 5'8"!!
Head back to Hui Mei to grab first candy I like...big mistake.
Name: Xiao Yang
Age: 18
Home Hunan
Looks: Very sweet looking girl
Body: Nice medium size breasts and a little thicker
Skills: Bad or just lazy. 5 min BBBJ, 5 min ACG, wanted rest for Mish, flung the lazy girls legs over my shoulders and drove it home, she caught off guard. Gave her the jackhammer until I was lathered in sweat, she looked drunk walking to shower.......I am tired of lazy girls.
Notes: She tells me I am her 4th Laowai she has banged and other 3 from USA as well.
Go to snack street with Vit and drink beers and eat street snacks. Afterwards, want another shot, find new mommy in front of Lucky. Vit goes upstairs, I do lineup in lobby with about 10 girls, to hard to decide, call Vit and bring all the girls up to 5ht floor. Vit chooses shortest girl of bunch so, I choose tallest girl.....good pick.
Name: Xing Xing (What better English name than Star)
Age: 21
Home: Guanxi
Looks: I like her face (minus the mole) bright eyes and straight teeth.
Body: Very, very skinny girl, had nice figure and tall about 5'8", had pro tattoo above ass and several homemade tattoos on body (chest, arms).
Skills: Superstar! This girl rocked my world and made me remember why I love CP. Nothing off limits with her and she was good at all of them. Give fat tip.
Day #2 Thurs
Vit returns to SZ, Wadman and I go for 2 hour footie at Virgin, good work. After go walking down shopping street, wingman calls from HK, I tell him about tall girl, he decides to catch bus to CP. Wadmans wife returns, I solo and find only 3 shops behind Hui Mei open, decide to wait for wingman.
Wingman arrives late, 10:30 pm, go to new shop, tall girl gone. I go to front of Lucky and find old mommy friend, choose the plainest non-xiaojie looking girl in van. Good fun!
Name: Zhang Hai Yan (Named her Lisa)
Age: 18
Home: Hubei
Looks: Ok, nothing special but no glitter, white paint or hairspray.
Body: Very nice body, bigger than normal natural breasts, nice tight box.
Skills: Fair, I am only 7th guy she has been with all others Chinese. She a bit frightened by the Big Pig, but takes it like a true champ. Nice Tip for her, wants to spend the night, but I am not an overnight kind of guy very often.
When she leaves, get knock on door 10 minutes later at 1 am, Xing Xing at my door wanting more, wants to stay with me for no money. Maybe just needs a place to sleep....
Good times had by all and maybe got new CP GF. Old CP GF is little red head at Coco's shop with glasses, good in bed ,but pain in the ass out of it.
-SZE
[QUOTE=Szexpat]
AG, might need your assistance in convincing her she needs the laowai! I'll PM you which one I talk about.
-SZE[/QUOTE]
Anything you say boss....:D But have to wait till I return from Japan, fucking Japanese pussies now... :p
AG
...and provide comparisons to those in China and US.
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Anything you say boss....:D But have to wait till I return from Japan, fucking Japanese pussies now... :p
AG[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]...and provide comparisons to those in China and US.[/QUOTE]
US was home to me, so I don't monger much. Besides, my every trip back there (every 2 months) I don't stay longer then a week, so I do not have enough time to explore.
Whilst, I travel extensively in Asia and will be able to contribute in those comparisons.
Let's just say, girls from every countries have their strong and weak points. A Pussy is a Pussy but it is the service that is the difference.
Enjoy!
AG
Nothing has changed...
[QUOTE=Szexpat]Day #1 Wed
Rolled out to CP with Wadman and Sukhumvitter. Did tour of Yalan after checking into Lucky Hotel. Shops well stocked, My mommy see's me and tells
When she leaves, get knock on door 10 minutes later at 1 am, Xing Xing at my door wanting more, wants to stay with me for no money. Maybe just needs a place to sleep....
-SZE[/QUOTE]
I am back DOWNUNDER a few days ago. Sorry guys for taking so long to report.
Day1:
Arrived in CP due to the presence of police. I managed to pick up card from mummy runner near HuiMei hotel & call her directly from Miraton room. Apparently, they operate from their special "mobile" Van carrying as many as 10 girls at a time (I was told total number working for the mummy is 15 girls)
Called the number & 5 minutes later, 3 girls was outside my room. Picked the tallest girl Sio Ting. Cute face and 168cm tall. Paid mummy $100 then told Sio Ting about my intention of ST & depends on the service & may be a LT opportunity (ST $200 and LT $400 because it's quite early I thoght it's reasonable).
Age (reported) 18 (I had her again on my last day & she lied about her age which I was not impressed)
Province: Hunan
Skills: 7
BBBJ: Yes
Looks: 7
Attitude: 8
Would I have her again? Yes absolutely. I spent 2 X LT and 1 X ST and she threw in FREE KTV night with me with my other friends
In the end, I had her all night & tip her extra $50 for her total GFE and also worn me out!!
Day2:
Met up with Szexpat at Miraton Lobby & I think I have covered part of it already. WE decided to do a foot message across the road Walter Hotel. Excellent service I thoght & I enjoy the cheeky chat with the foot message girls. Szexpat was the center of the attention & his foot massage girl tentatively offered her virginity for $1000 RMB (not sure whether it is 'tongue in cheek' comment). Those 2 girls wanted us to take them to McDonalds but we preferred pussies than burgers!! Left Walter hotel and we walked to the few BBS shop in HeiMei and Yalan hotel (JoJo girl sucks!! Szexpat covered this already) & I found my girl in the last shop near Yalan.
I can't believe my luck somehow I managed to score 2 out of 2 (to my satisfaction) I was tired but she waited not rushing at all. In the end I had her one more time the following week to reward her excellent service.
Ah Jian
Age 18
Province: HuBei
Skills: 9
BBBJ: Yes
Looks: 7
Attitude: 8
Overall service 8
ST $200
Day3
Miraton KTV
Honestly not my cup of tea only did this due to some overseas friends visiting.
It's on Level 3 or 5 ( i think) when the lift door open you have some gorgeous (big smiling with open arms) girls to greet you. We were lead to a room & quickly there were 8 girls in the first line up and the mummy quicky trying to pair you up. 3 minutes later there were more lineup of about 10 girls and different mummy again. Even though we were alraedy paired up & still more girls parading thru. I decided to get rid of my girl & call up my girl I met from Day 1. She told me she was having her period & more than happy to keep me in accompany, This save my $200 sitting fee and I was in no mood for any action anyway as I need to get up 5.30am for gold 2hours away.
Total cost around $1600 for 4 people with I think 8 bottles of french wine, fruilts, nuts. This does not include the KTV girls fee.
The overal experince is a little better than the Amazon I visited last year.
As I was not into KTV scene (really hate those dice and singing) so thats about all I can gathered.
Day4
Miraton Sauna
Level 6 or 7
I think it depends how busy 6 is. We walked in just to see what it is like & we were taken straight to Level 7 (6 is fully booked). We (4 of us) told the manager our intensions to examine the facilities and the goods before commiting the service. We were lead to a room ( a little bigger than the standard Miraton room with bigger shower base and Spa tub). In 5 minutes, a lineup of 6 gilrs intruduced themselves ( at least 2girls 8+) we then learned that we can take the girl back to our room & have theservice performed.
To have the service carried out in the sauna: $560 but if you have the service done in your room only $400 ($100 for the manager and $300 for the girl). I made 2 mistakes here. (1) I should have picked my girl their & then as when I rang the manager 30 mins later, a different lineup (only 3 this time) come to my room (2) No milk, hot water and cold water ice in my room so I missed out on part of the service. Not to mentioned the SPA service (apparently I was told the girl carried out some servie in the SPA.
Anyway my girl (can't remember her name now) did an above average service
I actually told her I tried Sauna at HuiHua last year & just want to make comparison & I think this may have an impact on the overall service
Thats all folks as far as I can remember
Downunder96
[QUOTE=Tigerman 2438]Hi RS,
Will be at the Hui Mei 8th to 11th May. Would like to meet up. Will be there at 4pm. Ask the reception for Tiger. Hope to see you.
Tigerman[/QUOTE]Hi Rising Son,
Do PM me should you like to meet up in CP Hui Mei Hotel on 8th May.
Tigerman 2438
[QUOTE=AsianBleu]RS,
I am new to this forum but have been to CP only once exactly 1 year ago. My buddy who I went with will not be available this time around as I will be there alone from May 4 to May 22. I would like to meet up with you since you will be there around the same time. Drop me a note if that will work.
AsianBleu[/QUOTE]Dear AsiaBleu,
How shall we meet up? Will be at CP Hui Mei on 8th May around 4pm. Please PM me.
Tigerman 2438
Thanks BNLEE2
[QUOTE=Bnlee2]Chillin,
the private car is the best way to avoid immigration and customs. i have been using this mode of transportation between HKIA and crossing the border to SZ. The cost is around 700-800RMB. PM me if you want the company that i use.[/QUOTE]
chillin
Tried to PM you but i guess you have one of the freebies membership.
Here is the info
chillin
these guys have the car that goes through the toll booths. you do not need to get out of the car. the camera view you sitting in the backseat. very professional driver. never have been stop either. usual car is either a mbz or a high end car.
name of the company. Chun Wing International Ltd.
hong kong number 852-6555-8886
China 86-130-6845
Tell them i refer you. Mr. Wong. Tell them that Im the very tall ABC (American Born Chinese). They should know me well, I use them very regularly. I have refer them quite a few customers. btw. the driver is a good source for some great night time fun.
[QUOTE=Chillin]Thanks BNLEE2[/QUOTE]
Will visit CP from 17th to 27th this month. This should be my 15 times there.
Any monger join me there is highly appreciated. Pm me if u need my cell phone
number. I will stay in Lucky hotel as usual.
Thanks BNlee2
Yes I have a freebie account. Sending check for membership tomorrow.
Thanks for the info. Your descrip is pretty much all the ABC's with last name Wong.
LOL
[QUOTE=Bnlee2]chillin
Tried to PM you but i guess you have one of the freebies membership.
Here is the info
chillin
these guys have the car that goes through the toll booths. you do not need to get out of the car. the camera view you sitting in the backseat. very professional driver. never have been stop either. usual car is either a mbz or a high end car.
name of the company. Chun Wing International Ltd.
hong kong number 852-6555-8886
China 86-130-6845
Tell them i refer you. Mr. Wong. Tell them that Im the very tall ABC (American Born Chinese). They should know me well, I use them very regularly. I have refer them quite a few customers. btw. the driver is a good source for some great night time fun.[/QUOTE]
I am flying into Hong Kong and heading straight to CP. Has anyone tried the Skypier ferry service? Looks great, with no hastles stopping at the borders. If not, I'll let you know how it goes.
[QUOTE=S Cassidy]I am flying into Hong Kong and heading straight to CP. Has anyone tried the Skypier ferry service? Looks great, with no hastles stopping at the borders. If not, I'll let you know how it goes.[/QUOTE]Last month I went from Dong Guan to HK Airport on the ferry to catch my flight. It was great. Fast, comfortable, and no hassle.
[QUOTE=S Cassidy]I am flying into Hong Kong and heading straight to CP. Has anyone tried the Skypier ferry service? Looks great, with no hastles stopping at the borders. If not, I'll let you know how it goes.[/QUOTE]
The ferry is going to go to Taiping, which about an hour from CP.
[QUOTE=Bnlee2]chillin
Tried to PM you but i guess you have one of the freebies membership.
Here is the info
chillin
these guys have the car that goes through the toll booths. you do not need to get out of the car. the camera view you sitting in the backseat. very professional driver. never have been stop either. usual car is either a mbz or a high end car.
name of the company. Chun Wing International Ltd.
hong kong number 852-6555-8886
China 86-130-6845
Tell them i refer you. Mr. Wong. Tell them that Im the very tall ABC (American Born Chinese). They should know me well, I use them very regularly. I have refer them quite a few customers. btw. the driver is a good source for some great night time fun.[/QUOTE]
BN,
You very sure this car cost only 700 - 800 and I don't have to get out of the car on both side of the border? Sound really great! As mentioned the closest I got was the Embassy Car at 1200 for the trip.
Thanks for the Phone number, I would definitely try it in my next trip!
Enjoy!
AG
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]BN,
You very sure this car cost only 700 - 800 and I don't have to get out of the car on both side of the border? Sound really great! As mentioned the closest I got was the Embassy Car at 1200 for the trip.
Thanks for the Phone number, I would definitely try it in my next trip!
Enjoy!
AG[/QUOTE]
Ace
i feel better that they only charge me 700-800rmb... maybe it is corporate rate. we do use them very often to and from HKIA and other areas. Try calling them, and if they give you a higher rate, tell them that you are thinking about using them and recommend them to all your friends, maybe they will lower to give you my lower rates. When i get back next month, i will speak to the exec at the company about that. PM me if you have any other questions. Some of their drivers are very knowledgable in some of the local action. he mentioned that there was a "no hands restaurant" in the SZ area that i should check out. Maybe i will check on it next month.
best
BN
[QUOTE=Moody]The ferry is going to go to Taiping, which about an hour from CP.[/QUOTE]
Moody
How do you get from Taiping to CP? Bus or Taxi? or ???
Enjoy!
AG
There are buses available from Taiping to CP, but sure takes a long time because it stops along many places. I took it once and it took over 1 hour to get there.
Taxi would be faster and cost a few hundred rmb.
mpfslover
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Moody
How do you get from Taiping to CP? Bus or Taxi? or ???
Enjoy!
AG[/QUOTE]
700-800 is the going rate for all the cross border limo services if you book the entire car. They will also pick you up most anywhere in Hong Kong for the same money. I just used one a couple of weeks ago from Pokfulam area to Shenzhen for 800. If you are willing to share the car with others at the border or airport they charge 130-150 from SZ <>HKIA. They also offer DG for 230, I think, but I am not sure if they go to CP.
If you do not want to get out at the border crossings, you must be specific. There are different license plates with different priveleges. You should tell them in advance your preference. Some of the service providers do not have cars with the right plates.
OAH
[QUOTE=Bnlee2]Ace
i feel better that they only charge me 700-800rmb... maybe it is corporate rate. we do use them very often to and from HKIA and other areas. Try calling them, and if they give you a higher rate, tell them that you are thinking about using them and recommend them to all your friends, maybe they will lower to give you my lower rates. When i get back next month, i will speak to the exec at the company about that. PM me if you have any other questions. Some of their drivers are very knowledgable in some of the local action. he mentioned that there was a "no hands restaurant" in the SZ area that i should check out. Maybe i will check on it next month.
best
BN[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MpfsLover]There are buses available from Taiping to CP, but sure takes a long time because it stops along many places. I took it once and it took over 1 hour to get there.
Taxi would be faster and cost a few hundred rmb.
mpfslover[/QUOTE]To mpfslover / ag
I take the regular bus from humen plaza to cp about 3 yr ago before the new express way open it take 1 hr 40 min many stops cost is only 18 rmb, I know there are express bus but it still take over one hr, taping aka humen is in the west end of Dongguan and cp is on the east end very far away but the new express way bypass Dai Ling Shan is a Mountain Rd.
Monger is very poor in Taping anyway been there a few time there are bbs behind humen plaza cost 150 rmb girl are very young most will not do BJ and service is not as good as cp.
Fast eddie 48
Depending on where you start in Humen, the drive is only 30-40 minutes or so with the new Changhu Highway. A taxi should do it for around 100-120 if you bargain right.
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]To mpfslover / ag
I take the regular bus from humen plaza to cp about 3 yr ago before the new express way open it take 1 hr 40 min many stops cost is only 18 rmb, I know there are express bus but it still take over one hr, taping aka humen is in the west end of Dongguan and cp is on the east end very far away but the new express way bypass Dai Ling Shan is a Mountain Rd.
Monger is very poor in Taping anyway been there a few time there are bbs behind humen plaza cost 150 rmb girl are very young most will not do BJ and service is not as good as cp.
Fast eddie 48[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]Depending on where you start in Humen, the drive is only 30-40 minutes or so with the new Changhu Highway. A taxi should do it for around 100-120 if you bargain right.[/QUOTE]
Maybe, maybe not. If taking the Changhu highway, the road toll is 24 RMB one way. So that's 48 rmb, if the cabbie takes the same way back.
Spent the weekend with a freebie in CP last weekend. On Sunday, we were a little bit bored of just humping each other, and I asked her where she wanted to go.
She replied: Fumin
I said: where the fuck is that?
She said: not very far from here (=CP), taxi will take you there for a few RMB
I was puzzled for a while until I remembered that people from Hunan/Fulan often substitute an F for an H. So "Fumin" turned out to be "Humen".
Didn't see any mongering opportunities, but then, I couldn't look as I had company. The only thing worth mentioning is that the water of the river that runs through Humen is black, and OH MY GOD does it stink!
Off the subject a bit but there are these fantastic seafood places overlooking the bay in Humen just off the road that goes from town to the ferry terminal to Nansha. Just ask any local for directions. Worth a try. Great food and great location.
Great place to have custom suits done.
Its cheap and the quality is pretty good.
My last trip earlier this month, I wanted to see Humen because I had heard it was good for shopping. Also had a semi-business meeting in HK to attend so wanted to buy some smart casuals to be used for that off-beat meeting.
We took the bus from the CP Bus station near the railway station. It takes about an hour and was cheap enough - something like 18 or was it 28 rmb each one way. The bus uses the highway partly and also crawls through Da Lang and some township before the highway.
The shopping street(s) we ended up in did not have much for men (in fact almost nothing) but, I could see that it was a shopping haven for the girls from CP having a much wider range and prices below Shenzhen I was told.
Very decent selection of affordable clothes etc for the ladies although GF bought nothing too. The funny thing was that I ended up buying a shirt and pants in Giordano for more than I would have paid in my country Singapore!
Coming back that evening was a bit of a bother as we got on the bus a little on the way out of town and it was overloaded. Actually stood all the way from there back to CP where we managed to alight in front of the Walter Hotel. Worst still, one of the nearby passengeres started puking (into his plastic bag) and I was afraid he would throw up over us!!!
Travelling like the locals is sometimes quite an experience in China. Next time, I might take a bus there and a taxi back!
Also in Humen is the Opium Museum, which I enjoyed seeing. The square water filled pits next to the museum is where they distroyed the opium.
Further out of town is the Sea Battle Museum, but not worth visiting.
I think you need to go early and return to CP early to avoid the overcrowded buses. You can also get the bus to Humen in front of the Miraton Hotel.
I am in CP now if anybody wants to hookup. Send PM.
Last night Santa, Rising Son, and I enjoyed dinner at the jiaozi restaurant across from Miraton about 8 o'clock. RS was in the company of Mimi, a firecracker he had brought from our earlier trip to Yalan that afternoon. Santa and I both sent our catches back. (See photo gallery.) Mimi and RS are playing pattycake and in general acting like a couple of newlyweds, much to the amusement of a Chinese family nearby, so I ask Mimi whether there are any more at home like her. Wrong question. The next thing I know she has summoned her friend Xiao Li as my companion. Then she starts on Santa. She remembers a girl Santa spent time with last year, named Lele. She remembers! She has the girl's telephone number and wants Santa's OK to call her. Santa declines. If anyone thinks they do not have a rep at these places in Yalan, then they had better think again. Pictures of Xiao Li, from Sichuan, and 158 and 44 kg.
Yesterday at 12:34 #855
RCA Knight
Senior Member
Reports: 241 When Chinese men go hunting for ladies, especially amature girls, and succeed in scoring them, I would say over 90% do not use condom. I have succeeded in hunting many student girls in China, and they all seemed surprised I took out a condom. I could have done all of them bare without any objection from them. On the contrary, these normal girls are all used to rawbacks.
So watch out for these innocent little student girls, they can be more hazardous than the pros in China.
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This is very True, for sure the rate is 90% for chinese hunting freebies. Nearly all the students I have had luck with did not insist on condom. Over the last 2 months i have also been lucky enough to have 4 virgins, although frankly virgin chinese students are not great sex to start with. One took at least 5 seasons before i could fully penetrate her, complaining of pain etc etc, although on second session she insisted, and i mean insisted i shaved her, loved daty, but still could not properly take it all. Now though loves it, and makes sure she if fully penetrated, but is not to adveturous, No BJ, managed finger her anus, and im sure thought i was going to analise her, although saving her for this, will need to be broken in slowly.
Most know should use condom, few in actual fact will insist when it comes to it.
This is the girl I had in Dongguan at a hotel. 300rmb for her for the hour and 260rmb for the night at hotel. An additional 300rmb for overnighter. She went thru the 24 course item list. It was good exp.
[QUOTE=Basher55]Yesterday at 12:34 #855
RCA Knight
Senior Member
Reports: 241 When Chinese men go hunting for ladies, especially amature girls, and succeed in scoring them, I would say over 90% do not use condom. I have succeeded in hunting many student girls in China, and they all seemed surprised I took out a condom. I could have done all of them bare without any objection from them. On the contrary, these normal girls are all used to rawbacks.
So watch out for these innocent little student girls, they can be more hazardous than the pros in China.
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This is very True, for sure the rate is 90% for chinese hunting freebies. Nearly all the students I have had luck with did not insist on condom. Over the last 2 months i have also been lucky enough to have 4 virgins, although frankly virgin chinese students are not great sex to start with. One took at least 5 seasons before i could fully penetrate her, complaining of pain etc etc, although on second session she insisted, and i mean insisted i shaved her, loved daty, but still could not properly take it all. Now though loves it, and makes sure she if fully penetrated, but is not to adveturous, No BJ, managed finger her anus, and im sure thought i was going to analise her, although saving her for this, will need to be broken in slowly.
Most know should use condom, few in actual fact will insist when it comes to it.[/QUOTE]
Just to add, if the girl is a real virgin, in the chinese culture; they want you to break them in skin to skin without condom! Most of them who are the real innocent type; they would not even know how to put on a condom on your dick!
Enjoy!
AG
Hello friends, ciao form Italy. I am a newbie to this board. Thanks to all the members for raight info.
Next week I am going to be in GZ for budìsiness but after reading your info I want spend also some night in DG e CP.
There are some devil or angel that want show me the right city place and mongering with me?
I can bring with me some good italian wine and ehchange it with the info about the city. Please let me know.
More: one question is very important: to go to Miraton or HuMei HOtels it is necessaty booking a room in advance?
Thank in advance for your reply.
Andy
[QUOTE=Andy Cap]Hello friends, ciao form Italy. I am a newbie to this board. Thanks to all the members for raight info.
Next week I am going to be in GZ for budìsiness but after reading your info I want spend also some night in DG e CP.
There are some devil or angel that want show me the right city place and mongering with me?
I can bring with me some good italian wine and ehchange it with the info about the city. Please let me know.
More: one question is very important: to go to Miraton or HuMei HOtels it is necessaty booking a room in advance?
Thank in advance for your reply.
Andy[/QUOTE]
It all depends on when you are going.
On the weekends (Friday and Saturday) it would be recommened to book a room in advance. Otherwise it shouldn't be a problem.
Had a hotel delivery to New Village Hotel in Tangxia. Came in hot pants. Looks 8 and big smile. During the shower, first bad sign was she almost did not let me touch her. No blow job, no DATY, only missionary. Very nbad attitude. I decided to teach her a lesson. I just f**ked her and kept going for 40 minutes, almost non stop. Missionary, then I got doggie by promising to come but then I kept going for 15 minutes. No tips. 150. Rang papasan to says she was poor.
Hi,
Does anybody know there is a mummy a bit plump and short wearing a spect in Yalan? Anyone got her num? I miss one of her girl but lost her contact.
Hi Transponter and friends,
I am going to be in CP on 31th and stay there till Sunday. If I will find a room I will stay at Miraton and if someone want drink some good wine or a blond beer and mongering togheter. Leave a message at the reception: I am sure that not many italian men will be there :)
Ciao and many thanks for your help
A
10 are questions. Can't you do better than that my well-traveled friend? This is a board of sharing, but you appear to be only taking. Why?
Bill
[QUOTE=Andy Cap]Hello friends, ciao form Italy. I am a newbie to this board. Thanks to all the members for raight info.
Next week I am going to be in GZ for budìsiness but after reading your info I want spend also some night in DG e CP.
There are some devil or angel that want show me the right city place and mongering with me?
I can bring with me some good italian wine and ehchange it with the info about the city. Please let me know.
More: one question is very important: to go to Miraton or HuMei HOtels it is necessaty booking a room in advance?
Thank in advance for your reply.
Andy[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]10 are questions. Can't you do better than that my well-traveled friend? This is a board of sharing, but you appear to be only taking. Why?
Bill[/QUOTE]
Bill,
May be he is like all newbie; do not have enough information to post? Or whatever he experience so far had been posted already by good members like you?
I had learnt to look at the other side. Previously Newbies coming to the board seem to ask a lot of questions and not posting. I am very nasty to them. But if you try to understand their mind putting yourself into their shoes, you will realized that “Hey! That would have been me if I am new to a place and the information on the board is so vest that it cover most of what I need to know. Of course to the Newbies; all you need to do is to put in a little more work by reading the past pages. Don’t be lazy; if you don’t help yourself, nobody will want to help you.
Another example of looking at another angle is: The situation in which many times I had been attacked on the board and I get very frustrated but after learning to look from their angle, I begin to understand, these members would be stuck back at home reading all the nice reports that we are getting laid while they are frustrated by the fact that they are getting nowhere. So they having suspicion that this information posted are Bullshit which push them further to post personal attacks or post exclaiming that those are Bullshit. To these Newbie; I’ll like to advice you; Doesn’t means that you are not able do it, no-one else is able to do it. Different people have different charms, tactics and level of luck. If you do not open yourself up you are losing out. A good member on board once told me;
“To these members who post personal attacks or false information, we should give zero feelings to them. After all it is him who will be losing out not us.” So why bother to hit them back?
Ok enough of this… let’s get back to the subject of finding female for the purpose of sex.
Bill; any changes in CP since your return? Intelligence report please!! What???? As a super senior member you don’t have anything to post besides telling newbies off???? :D
Enjoy Brother! I’ll be back soon!
AG
[QUOTE=Dragonball999]Hi,
Does anybody know there is a mummy a bit plump and short wearing a spect in Yalan? Anyone got her num? I miss one of her girl but lost her contact.[/QUOTE]
DB,
There are many girls available in Yalan, I am sure you can find some are simliar and give equally good service. Why settle in for just that perticular one?
But of course; sometimes one can be extra "attached" to certain provider in which it is a very personal thing where others cannot understand.
That mummy you mentioned, I think she is from the first shop and name "Ah Fei" I don't have her number here because I am travelling. Perhaps if you are in CP you should pop by Yalan to look for her? Otherwise I don't see why do you need her number anyways?
Enjoy!
AG
can't just get away with 10 questions and 1 post. You have to egg these "newbies" on to post their experiences on the board.
Bill
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Bill,
May be he is like all newbie; do not have enough information to post? Or whatever he experience so far had been posted already by good members like you?
I had learnt to look at the other side. Previously Newbies coming to the board seem to ask a lot of questions and not posting. I am very nasty to them. But if you try to understand their mind putting yourself into their shoes, you will realized that “Hey! That would have been me if I am new to a place and the information on the board is so vest that it cover most of what I need to know. Of course to the Newbies; all you need to do is to put in a little more work by reading the past pages. Don’t be lazy; if you don’t help yourself, nobody will want to help you.
Another example of looking at another angle is: The situation in which many times I had been attacked on the board and I get very frustrated but after learning to look from their angle, I begin to understand, these members would be stuck back at home reading all the nice reports that we are getting laid while they are frustrated by the fact that they are getting nowhere. So they having suspicion that this information posted are Bullshit which push them further to post personal attacks or post exclaiming that those are Bullshit. To these Newbie; I’ll like to advice you; Doesn’t means that you are not able do it, no-one else is able to do it. Different people have different charms, tactics and level of luck. If you do not open yourself up you are losing out. A good member on board once told me;
“To these members who post personal attacks or false information, we should give zero feelings to them. After all it is him who will be losing out not us.” So why bother to hit them back?
Ok enough of this… let’s get back to the subject of finding female for the purpose of sex.
Bill; any changes in CP since your return? Intelligence report please!! What???? As a super senior member you don’t have anything to post besides telling newbies off???? :D
Enjoy Brother! I’ll be back soon!
AG[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]DB,
There are many girls available in Yalan, I am sure you can find some are simliar and give equally good service. Why settle in for just that perticular one?
But of course; sometimes one can be extra "attached" to certain provider in which it is a very personal thing where others cannot understand.
That mummy you mentioned, I think she is from the first shop and name "Ah Fei" I don't have her number here because I am travelling. Perhaps if you are in CP you should pop by Yalan to look for her? Otherwise I don't see why do you need her number anyways?
Enjoy!
AG[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply. Wanna get the mummy num so I can know when the girl is going back home town and i will not miss out on her.
The other problem is I also forget which shop I call the girl. Can only remember the mummy is a plump short specky woman with a nice smile and not pushy.
I am sorry, I am sorry, I am sorry but. Heyyyyy Bill, from a theoretical point of view you are right and hence I apologies for my questions and I promise that: "when I will come back I will submit a report about my personal experience there" even if I hope to be not. Too much boring because at my first trip there I am quite sure to follow the same experience already tested from other "old senior member" and many times reported here. Anyway if Bill want. I will do!
Many compliment at all member that wrote here, that thanks at their report I am sure I will have a nice time there.
Ciao ciao
A
Dragonball999,
I picked up a business card from YALAN with Fei Fei 菲菲 name on it.
PM me if you want the number.
DU96
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]DB,
There are many girls available in Yalan, I am sure you can find some are simliar and give equally good service. Why settle in for just that perticular one?
But of course; sometimes one can be extra "attached" to certain provider in which it is a very personal thing where others cannot understand.
That mummy you mentioned, I think she is from the first shop and name "Ah Fei" I don't have her number here because I am travelling. Perhaps if you are in CP you should pop by Yalan to look for her? Otherwise I don't see why do you need her number anyways?
Enjoy!
AG[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Downunder96]Dragonball999,
I picked up a business card from YALAN with Fei Fei 菲菲 name on it.
PM me if you want the number.
DU96[/QUOTE]Hi Downunder96,
I never subscribe so I can't do any private messege.
Kinly post in the forum if you dont mind :P
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Hi Dragonball999,
Do you mean that a sophisticated world traveler such as yourself can't afford a $13 subscription to support this forum and all the work I do to keep it maintained?
Come on dude, a forum subscription is less than 50 cents a week.
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
I finally broke out of my "poor service" rut with a Yalan girl. I told the mama that I wanted CIM and she assured me that this girl was the one. Since this was not the first time this mama let me down, I told her that I would not pay the girl if she did not provide this service for me.
Off we went back to the hotel. Started with the normal routine, shower together and onto the bed. She started with the BBBJ. She was working very hard at it for about 15-20 minutes thinking I wanted to pop this way. She was so good that I wanted to do her before the CIM. The FS was as good or better than the BBBJ. After doing her in various positions, I pulled off the condom and went into the shower to clean up. Came back and she refused any more BBBJ. She told me that I cannot have any more BBBJ after I had already fucked her even though I did not pop. She headed to the shower considering her job was done. I reminded her of my agreement; no CIM, no money. She said no problem.
When she came out of the shower, she hung around in a towel for a few minutes contemplating the situation. I eventually convinced her to give me the BBBJCIM. The strange thing was that she started the BBBJ in exactly the same way that she did when we first started the session. It was like she had been trained to provide this service in some standard order and had to start all over again. I told her that she did not have to go through all the same steps again and her current intention should be to get me to pop which is what I wanted. She skipped most of the preliminary steps and proceeded to suck me hard and fast with that intention until I popped in her mouth. She did not swallow, but it was still pretty good. She told me it was the first time. Who knows?
I often have this experience with a routine service feeling in saunas, but sauna girls have never refused BBBJ after FS.
OAH
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]I finally broke out of my "poor service" rut with a Yalan girl. I told the mama that I wanted CIM and she assured me that this girl was the one. Since this was not the first time this mama let me down, I told her that I would not pay the girl if she did not provide this service for me.
Off we went back to the hotel. Started with the normal routine, shower together and onto the bed. She started with the BBBJ. She was working very hard at it for about 15-20 minutes thinking I wanted to pop this way. She was so good that I wanted to do her before the CIM. The FS was as good or better than the BBBJ. After doing her in various positions, I pulled off the condom and went into the shower to clean up. Came back and she refused any more BBBJ. She told me that I cannot have any more BBBJ after I had already fucked her even though I did not pop. She headed to the shower considering her job was done. I reminded her of my agreement; no CIM, no money. She said no problem.
When she came out of the shower, she hung around in a towel for a few minutes contemplating the situation. I eventually convinced her to give me the BBBJCIM. The strange thing was that she started the BBBJ in exactly the same way that she did when we first started the session. It was like she had been trained to provide this service in some standard order and had to start all over again. I told her that she did not have to go through all the same steps again and her current intention should be to get me to pop which is what I wanted. She skipped most of the preliminary steps and proceeded to suck me hard and fast with that intention until I popped in her mouth. She did not swallow, but it was still pretty good. She told me it was the first time. Who knows?
I often have this experience with a routine service feeling in saunas, but sauna girls have never refused BBBJ after FS.
OAH[/QUOTE]
OAH,
You may not know this but these girls learn it from the Porn movies their mummies had them watch during their free time. Al you may know is that they are watching the same disk and learning the same standard procedures. I found that it is the older ones (more experience) are the ones who actually knows how to vary in their technic and make us enjoy their works.
Enjoy!
AG
I happened to be staying at the Sheraton back in March 07, had walked up and down the street opposite no action. Went back to my room looked on the internet found the forum. After one hour of rttf i decided to visit floor -1.
Swiftly made my way to lift -1 can only be found on right side as you enter Hotel from front. When arriving at my destination turned left hoping to find the correct place i was looking for. Initially i was coming up against resistance, as i have no mandarin skills. If you want something bad enough there is always a way, got to see the manager i have his card.
I was sat down in the foot massage area for a short discussion, then taken through to a smaller room for the line up. I had a line up of nine ladies seven at 900rmb, two at 1168rmb rating between 7 and 9. I picked Zuo ran age 21 sorry no number, she was a 9 very pretty at 1168rmb.
She visited me in my Hotel room for 90 minutes, started with showers no action in there. Moved onto bed got a short back massage, i wanted her facing me she was so pretty. The service was not as good as i have read in this forum, she was quite gfe she did the minimum possible without really disapointing me. Was allowed kissing on lips,daty,short bbbj, and she did cowgirl position to completion, she was really very tight which was nice.
Watched her walk down hallway when she left my room , she was wearing a knee length gown which didnt seem to be enough to be walking around the Sheraton in.
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]I finally broke out of my "poor service" rut with a Yalan girl. I told the mama that I wanted CIM.[/quote]The two times I had CIM (with different MM and 6 months apart) in CP, I was charged $50-$100 more each time. Are you asked to pay more?
The Importer,
JK666 posted his theory on the ZH thread which I agree with totally. Sauna girls will only provide the minimum to punters that they think do not know what to expect. For example, if you do not know that multiple pops are OK, you will only get one. If you do not know what all the liquids are for, they will not use them. This is especially true for laowai punters.
BTW, I thought the highest price for the top end was only 900 RMB. If my memory serves, there were 3 price levels. What color gown was she wearing?
OAH
Yesterday (Saturday) I took a pretty 19-year-old girl from Swan Lake Hotel in Yalan. In the company of a couple of fellow aficionados, I visited at least two places in Yalan before choosing. Actually I would have taken a girl at the first spot, but Santa wanted to move on. (The taxi driver had attached himself to us like a leech, soliciting a commission from the first place.) Anyway, the Swan Lake girl seemed like a pistol. We all three took girls from Swan Lake. You know, they are dressed in only transparent gowns, bra and panties visible, so a change of clothes is necessary for them to go onto the street. We are driving back to the Lucky when my girl begins suggesting we all six, or at least four, do it together in one room. No body is really game, so we drop two couples at the Lucky and then the two of us proceed to the Miraton. In the room, she stripped and showered, then she changed her attitude. She became very take-charge, in the worst sense, like she wanted to rush. This is prime-time Saturday evening. She would no longer agree to DATY, as we had discussed at Swan Lake. So I booted her, none too politely.
[QUOTE=Jwtong]The two times I had CIM (with different MM and 6 months apart) in CP, I was charged $50-$100 more each time. Are you asked to pay more?[/QUOTE]
I've had it a few times. They didn't ask me for more. One of 'em wanted to kiss me right afterwards which I didn't really go for.
[QUOTE=Arctic1]This is prime-time Saturday evening. She would no longer agree to DATY, as we had discussed at Swan Lake. So I booted her, none too politely.[/QUOTE]For me, Fridays and Saturdays are the worst days for actions. Because I normally stay in CP for 2-3 weeks at a time, I often take rest on Fridays and Saturdays and just go foot/body massage. If you want undivided attention and overnight service, the best days are Sun-Thu. Why compete against thousands of HK fun-seekers when you don't have to?
Jwtong:
Most of the time, if she agrees to do it, the price is the same. This has always been the case in CP. On the other hand, I had one girl in SZ a couple of weeks ago that asked me for 50 RMB more.
OAH
[QUOTE=Jwtong]The two times I had CIM (with different MM and 6 months apart) in CP, I was charged $50-$100 more each time. Are you asked to pay more?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jwtong]For me, Fridays and Saturdays are the worst days for actions. Because I normally stay in CP for 2-3 weeks at a time, I often take rest on Fridays and Saturdays and just go foot/body massage. If you want undivided attention and overnight service, the best days are Sun-Thu. Why compete against thousands of HK fun-seekers when you don't have to?[/QUOTE]To JWTONG,
I was in CP last weekend and there are alot of girl at Swan Lake on Saturday around 4 pm. You just need to go there early. If you go after 8pm most hot girl will be gone.
I also checked out Yalan area and the quality is going downhill. During the 3 days in CP all the girls that I pick were from Swanlake. The young one on Saturday is the hottest but with attuide and very rushed, and the other 2 that I got the next two nights were very GFE.
Fast eddie 48
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]The Importer,
JK666 posted his theory on the ZH thread which I agree with totally. Sauna girls will only provide the minimum to punters that they think do not know what to expect. For example, if you do not know that multiple pops are OK, you will only get one. If you do not know what all the liquids are for, they will not use them. This is especially true for laowai punters.
BTW, I thought the highest price for the top end was only 900 RMB. If my memory serves, there were 3 price levels. What color gown was she wearing?
OAH[/QUOTE]OAH,
To date i have found this theory to be correct, i have just arrived back home from six days in Houjie. I have used the Sheraton sauna service a further five times, not once receiving a cat bath, ar, or any liquids. I did receive the full sauna service at the Kande Club though.
As for the gown colour colour it may have been red! Every Sheraton line up i saw last week wore a peach colour gown. The lingerie could be the answer white was a student, red medium and black most expensive is the conclusion i came too.
I will post reports on the highs and lows of Houjie in the next few days, maybe you can give me some of your experienced feedback about some of the lows i encountered.
The Importer
Arrived in Houjie off my overnight flight very tired, but very optimistic about the next six nights of mongering.
Started with floor -1 at the Sheraton, asked for the Manager by name that i had met previously. Was taken up by lift to floor seven went to the right which is the back side of the hotel. Was sat down in room shoes removed, tv turned on. I was not interested in tv i just wanted to see the line up. First line up was not to my liking so i got another one, chose a lady in black lingerie.She did not speak a word of english, and this choice saw me start my mongering trip on a low point. I didnt get her name or number, and to be honest i would not want it. Sorry for my attitude it wont help others from avoiding this lady.
My choice was probably at best a 7 about 21 years old with meduim rack, first into showers no action in there. Moved onto bed no kissing, no daty, no cat bath, no ar, no liquids. Started to think to myself i might as well go home, she was really not the gfe. Anyway the best i got was cbj, followed by instant motions for her to get on top which she did. I did it as hard as i could as i felt she was uncomfortable with my size. When completion was achieved we went straight in the showers,and out the door i was thinking i paid 1168rmb for that which in my opinion was not good value for money.
I went back to my hotel room feeling very low, and wondering what tomorrow night would bring!
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Suppliers in Yalan are exerting upward price pressure on our favorite commodity. It is even more prudent now than before to not make any assumptions about the fee structure. When first questioned, many of the mamas in Swan Lake are quoting 100 to them and 150 to the girl, total 250. When pressed, they revert to 200, with an extra 50 as a tip for good service. The girl I was with yesterday asked for 150 when she left, but backed down when I reminded her of my agreement with her mama. So the best advice is to be very specific about prices.
[QUOTE=Arctic1]Suppliers in Yalan are exerting upward price pressure on our favorite commodity. It is even more prudent now than before to not make any assumptions about the fee structure. When first questioned, many of the mamas in Swan Lake are quoting 100 to them and 150 to the girl, total 250. When pressed, they revert to 200, with an extra 50 as a tip for good service. The girl I was with yesterday asked for 150 when she left, but backed down when I reminded her of my agreement with her mama. So the best advice is to be very specific about prices.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, reports have it that some of the laowai out there are passing around RMB like its candy. Normally, the max for a laowai is 200 rmb (100 mom/100 girl), but I am hearing some are giving the girls 2, 3, and 400 rmb for ST.....
If you feel guilty; Retire from mongering and go home to your wife.
If you feel shame; Then fuck older prostitutes!
If you feel you are doing them a favor or helping them; Your not!
If you feel indebted; Then you got some serious personal issues.
My Pov
-SZE
BTW: Girls from the Swan Lake will "try" to get more money from you because they say they are a KTV and the girls get higher fees......BS, SL is a brothel posing as a KTV.
[QUOTE=The Importer]Arrived in Houjie off my overnight flight very tired, but very optimistic about the next six nights of mongering.
Started with floor -1 at the Sheraton, asked for the Manager by name that i had met previously. Was taken up by lift to floor seven went to the right which is the back side of the hotel. Was sat down in room shoes removed, tv turned on. I was not interested in tv i just wanted to see the line up. First line up was not to my liking so i got another one, chose a lady in black lingerie.She did not speak a word of english, and this choice saw me start my mongering trip on a low point. I didnt get her name or number, and to be honest i would not want it. Sorry for my attitude it wont help others from avoiding this lady.
My choice was probably at best a 7 about 21 years old with meduim rack, first into showers no action in there. Moved onto bed no kissing, no daty, no cat bath, no ar, no liquids. Started to think to myself i might as well go home, she was really not the gfe. Anyway the best i got was cbj, followed by instant motions for her to get on top which she did. I did it as hard as i could as i felt she was uncomfortable with my size. When completion was achieved we went straight in the showers,and out the door i was thinking i paid 1168rmb for that which in my opinion was not good value for money.
I went back to my hotel room feeling very low, and wondering what tomorrow night would bring!
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If you're looking for GFE, saunas are not the place to go. Try the KTV at the Sheraton. There's a huge YMMV factor with KTV girls, but you'll have a much better chance of finding GFE there than at a sauna.
BTW, you might want to try the Kande Club sauna behind the Sheraton near the McDonald's. Service there was on average better than at the Sheraton.
I can echo the sentiment that KTV girls are much more likely to provide GFE than sauna girls. To my experience in Zhuhai, it is virtually impossible to find GFE with a sauna girl. They will not do kissy-kissy with you, and very few will let you DATY (and you probably shouldn’t DATY them anyway, although you will see that I did recently if you check the Zhuhai thread).
And if you think about it, it all makes sense. The sauna girls experience a lot more tunnel traffic than their KTV sisters. A sauna girl at a place like DMY can easily service 5 to 10 guys a day if she is popular. It would be a real stretch of the imagination to perceive that any or all of her customers would be to her genuine liking. A KTV girl is typically limited to a maximum of one tunnel trip per day, assuming that she is chosen from the lineup and the guy actually decides to pay for her LT. So there is a real chance that she will actually have a chance to spend time having fun and talking with the guy, and thus develop some genuine affection for him. This will translate to more GFE fun in the sack for sure.
One of my best experiences over the past year was with a girl from my favorite KTV place thus far, at the Hui Mei in CP. I was with a girl that had a Marilyn Monroe-type body, and a pretty enough face. Moody, OAH, and others witnessed us spending the entire night necking like horny teenagers in a corner of the KTV room. She was fun loving, open, and very tolerant of my half-assed language skills in Mandarin. She was happy when I asked her to come with me, and even agreed to stay long time for only 500 (should have been 800, but I came short-changed that night, and a buddy bailed me out with a loan). She was over-the-top GFE that night, with an occasional side dish of PSE.
Although I cannot go that often to KTV, I really enjoy places like the Hui Mei. Experiences like this you can never find in a sauna, although saunas can be fun in a quick-and-dirty kind of way.
Raz
[QUOTE=Moody]If you're looking for GFE, saunas are not the place to go. Try the KTV at the Sheraton. There's a huge YMMV factor with KTV girls, but you'll have a much better chance of finding GFE there than at a sauna.
BTW, you might want to try the Kande Club sauna behind the Sheraton near the McDonald's. Service there was on average better than at the Sheraton.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Moody]If you're looking for GFE, saunas are not the place to go. Try the KTV at the Sheraton. There's a huge YMMV factor with KTV girls, but you'll have a much better chance of finding GFE there than at a sauna.
BTW, you might want to try the Kande Club sauna behind the Sheraton near the McDonald's. Service there was on average better than at the Sheraton.[/QUOTE]
Moody is right about getting GFE with KTV girls as you would be spending more time with her prior to the action. However, one may need to communicate with girl for the girl to comfortable with you. I assume Importer may not be well verse with Mandarin or even Cantonese.
I heard about the Kande Club Hotel's suana when I was on my way back to HK earlier month. The driver told me it is the best suana in Houjie. Maybe I will try it the next time.
[QUOTE=Moody]If you're looking for GFE, saunas are not the place to go. Try the KTV at the Sheraton. There's a huge YMMV factor with KTV girls, but you'll have a much better chance of finding GFE there than at a sauna.
BTW, you might want to try the Kande Club sauna behind the Sheraton near the McDonald's. Service there was on average better than at the Sheraton.[/QUOTE]Moody,
Thank you for your advice about the increased chances of getting GFE at a KTV, I will try the one at the Sheraton next time I visit Houjie. As for the Kande Club I tried it on my recent visit, you are right it is definitely better than the Sheraton. Please wait for the report on my visit there, my experience was nothing short of sensational.
The Importer
[QUOTE=RasSpewtin]They will not do kissy-kissy with you ...[/QUOTE]
Raz, I hope you realize that there is a better than 50% chance that half an hour earlier, this girl's mouth was sucking on another guy's dick (a guy you don't even know to boot)..... Too close for comfort if you know what I mean.... ;)
[QUOTE=The Importer]
I went back to my hotel room feeling very low, and wondering what tomorrow night would bring!
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From what I hear, more than half the guys who do biz in China don't have to go there to do it. They go there for the "entertainment." There's absolutely no reason to feel "low" in China. Everything you could want (with the exception of busty blonde women) is available in mass quantities. You want someone to toss your salad, go to a sauna. You want someone to drink with, go to KTV. You want a wham bam thank you maam quickie, go to a BBS. It's just a matter of finding these places really and this forum is a fine resource for that.
[QUOTE=Moody]Raz, I hope you realize that there is a better than 50% chance that half an hour earlier, this girl's mouth was sucking on another guy's dick (a guy you don't even know to boot)..... Too close for comfort if you know what I mean.... ;)[/QUOTE]
When i do the sauna, after the initial shower, i hand the girl one of those unopened box of toothbrush and paste to her telling her to brush her teeth before we start. Motto. Cleanliness is next to godliness. Too bad that the toilet items usually do NOT include a douche. If they had it, i would tell them to use it. Maybe i should also douche them also. i usually soap down both their bottom holes in the shower.
just my pov.
I had a great time with Sheraton Dongguan's KTV girls. There is an English-speaking girl there. Her name is something like Shui Hue Lan. She was pretty and sweet.
She's like a GF that, right after I just came all over her the first time, she asked me to do it again...It was obvious she was starving for sex. She was fairly inexperienced sexually, but sex with her was fantastic. Everytime I looked at her naked body under the sheet, I got an erection. We did it a couple times the first night...
She took us shopping in the main Houjie mall, to dinners and to clubs...Just like a GF. She even asked to go with me to Zhuhai for a few days...I was paying her the KTV's rate of 1000RMB per day. Must be very good opportunity so she wanted to stick around with me. However, when it was time for us to leave, she turned around and was gone so quick, that I was sure there were a few other victims she's working on, and that money is the only thing she sees in her eyes...
My personal experiences are that money, sex and positive reinforcement...in that order, however subtle or obvious, are the 3 main things women want out of men, be they your GF or P4P girls.
QUOTE=Rickyeoh99]Moody is right about getting GFE with KTV girls as you would be spending more time with her prior to the action. However, one may need to communicate with girl for the girl to comfortable with you. I assume Importer may not be well verse with Mandarin or even Cantonese.
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[QUOTE=Rickyeoh99]Moody is right about getting GFE with KTV girls as you would be spending more time with her prior to the action. However, one may need to communicate with girl for the girl to comfortable with you. I assume Importer may not be well verse with Mandarin or even Cantonese.
I heard about the Kande Club Hotel's suana when I was on my way back to HK earlier month. The driver told me it is the best suana in Houjie. Maybe I will try it the next time.[/QUOTE]I also heard Kande Club is the best in town. My friend took me there around 7pm, and we were rejected. Actually, they lead us to the public sauna, when we ask for a private rooms, the manager told us there is no more room. Both of us are Chinese. My friend told me, the club is known for not taking any new comers.
The houjie bus station is about 10 minute walking distance to Kande. The taxi won't put on the meter and ask for 15rmb. Room rate is $298 and I think for an extra 100, you can use the room for the whole night.
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]
My personal experiences are that money, sex and positive reinforcement...in that order, however subtle or obvious, are the 3 main things women want out of men, be they your GF or P4P girls.
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You think those things are important to women because that is what you show them. As AG will attest, that is far from the case. Number 1 is to catch their interest. You have to be an interesting guy. If you're an interesting guy with interesting life experiences, you can look like Carrot Top and still have to beat women off with a stick. As a corollary to this, you can look like Brad Pitt but if you're a boring guy, you won't get anywhere with the Angelina Jolie's of this world. Whether you're a funny guy, or tell great stories, or whatever, you have to be able to catch a girl's interest.
Number 2 is related somewhat to number 1. You have to have self confidence. Try this at KTV, when the girls first walk into the room, look at 'em one at a time in the eye with a James Bond smile. Be the alpha-male. Don't ask them things, tell them things. Be the first guy to sing. Be the first guy to down a big cup of baijiu and tell the others to follow. Be the guy who pays the check. Don't be a wuss. Girls will look at you different than if you just go along with the rest of the pack. I had a friend in college... he wasn't much to look at, around 5'4" with an average face at best. He got ALL the hot chicks on campus because he was a leader, not a follower.
Number 3, be cool. Don't have a coronary if something doesn't go you're way. If they overcharge you 20RMB for a 2000RMB bill, don't go crazy. Have a laissez-faire attitude towards annoyances.
Be these three things, and girls won't care about money, sex, or whether you treat them nice. This is the guy girls want to be with, not some rich guy with a big dick who treats them nice. When younger women married to rich guys have affairs, these are the personality traits they look for. I half believe girls like to be mistreated anyway. I treat my GF like shit, and she loves me more for it. A good number of them grow up in households where they are mistreated or abused, and they subconsciously confuse that with love.
If you go to KTV and are willing to pay the girl, of course the girl will go back with you. Believe me when I tell you though, and as Raz well knows, the experience is far different if you make the girl WANT to go back with you.
[QUOTE=Bnlee2]When i do the sauna, after the initial shower, i hand the girl one of those unopened box of toothbrush and paste to her telling her to brush her teeth before we start. Motto. Cleanliness is next to godliness. Too bad that the toilet items usually do NOT include a douche. If they had it, i would tell them to use it. Maybe i should also douche them also. i usually soap down both their bottom holes in the shower.
just my pov.[/QUOTE]
I don't know why I didn't think of this.... it's sooooooooooooo obvious. I will DEFINATELY do this next time I'm at a sauna. Thanks for mentioning it.
You make it sound like you can seduce the KTV girls with your charms!
If you can, why do they insist on your paying, then fight teeth and nails for small tips???
As some of the seasoned mongers have been saying in these forums, it's all about money for these girls. They dont give shit how interesting you are.
Most of these girls are likely to work their pussies off so they can offer up their money to some jerks they call BF. And they laugh at every RMB they manage to weasel out of you.
Try to have a free fuck out of them and let us know.
[QUOTE=Moody]You think those things are important to women because that is what you show them. As AG will attest, that is far from the case. Number 1 is to catch their interest. You have to be an interesting guy. If you're an interesting guy with interesting life experiences, you can look like Carrot Top and still have to beat women off with a stick. As a corollary to this, you can
Number 3, be cool. Don't have a coronary if something doesn't go you're way. If they overcharge you 20RMB for a 2000RMB bill, don't go crazy. Have a laissez-faire attitude towards annoyances.
Be these three things, and girls won't care about money, sex, or whether you treat them nice. This is the guy girls want to be with, not some rich guy with a big dick who treats them nice. When younger women married to rich guys
If you go to KTV and are willing to pay the girl, of course the girl will go back with you. Believe me when I tell you though, and as Raz well knows, the experience is far different if you make the girl WANT to go back with you.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]You make it sound like you can seduce the KTV girls with your charms!
If you can, why do they insist on your paying, then fight teeth and nails for small tips???
As some of the seasoned mongers have been saying in these forums, it's all about money for these girls. They dont give shit how interesting you are.
Most of these girls are likely to work their pussies off so they can offer up their money to some jerks they call BF. And they laugh at every RMB they manage to weasel out of you.
Try to have a free fuck out of them and let us know.[/QUOTE]
Wait Wait Wait... guys, I think we are talking about two different types of girls here.
1) Those working girls
2) Those so call "Freebies"
In general their wants are a little different.
Enjoy!
AG
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]You make it sound like you can seduce the KTV girls with your charms![/QUOTE]
I can and I have done it several times. I don't really talk about it because this isn't really the forum to do so.
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]If you can, why do they insist on your paying, then fight teeth and nails for small tips???[/QUOTE]
Are you kidding me? Ask anybody in this forum who's been with me. I never argue about money and I never fight over tips for the girls or staff, if anything, I over tip 'em. Arguing about money is gauche and it's not me.
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]As some of the seasoned mongers have been saying in these forums, it's all about money for these girls. They dont give shit how interesting you are. [/QUOTE]
The girls will all go back with you as long as you have yuan. There is however, a vast difference in experience if you make it so they want to come back with you. Ask the seasoned mongers if this is the case and I'm sure they will agree. And you're wrong, they care a lot about how interesting you are. I know one guy in the states, he's a former fighter pilot, real interesting guy. Anytime that guy sits down, girls get in line to talk to him.
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]Most of these girls are likely to work their pussies off so they can offer up their money to some jerks they call BF. And they laugh at every RMB they manage to weasel out of you.[/QUOTE]
Yes they do. But you know what, I laugh at how cheaply I can buy their youth and beauty because in reality, that is exactly what we're buying from them.
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]Try to have a free fuck out of them and let us know. [/QUOTE]
As I said, done it many times, but you know what, nothing is ever really free. Lately though, I have to admit, it doesn't interest me as much. Having a GF complicates things a bit. Several of them were a bit too clingy for my taste even after I told them it was just for fun and that I'll never see them again. In the past I used to have to change phone numbers, but lately, I just keep my phone away from them. Finally it also creates a somewhat awkward situation sometimes if I go back to the same KTV and the girl is still working there. One of the reasons I haven't been to Sheraton KTV in a while is because of this reason.
One last thing....
I don't pay the girls to be with me.... I pay them to go away....
Spent the whole of my next day thinking where to go tonight. Thought of going to the Cinese Hotel, did not go thats another report i will post soon.
After giving much thought to it i ended up at floor -1 at the Sheraton again. Saw the same manager, and to be honest i had a bit of a heart to heart with him. I told him if i have a lady tonight i would expect much better service.He told me he would show me girls with much better service. So off we went up in the lift again to floor 6 this time, went to the right at the back of the hotel. Sat down tv and shoes routine, shown a line up of three nice ladies all in black lingerie. I chose 21 year old Katty number 99 from Jiang Xi Provence, this was to be a serious upturn in my mongering fortunes from the very first moment she was GFE.
We went into the showers the soaping and rack massage was good. She could also speak a little English which was great. The bathrooms at the Sheraton are kitted out well. The shower has a glass wall facing the bedroom, also there is a two seater sauna im the corner. The room quality is very good.
When we went to the bed she had her glass of mouthwash, i did not get very much of that though. No cat bath, or ar, but everything else was there to enjoy. She let me give her daty, which she clearly enjoyed with multiple squirts. At one point we had a lying on the side 69 going which was very nice. She was very hot making lots of noise, her bbbj was excellent. We finished with cowgirl, even that she had a great ability to please with her tight pussy doing all the right moves.
When it was over i was very pleased with the service, and rewarded her with with my third night of mongering for a repeat performance. Believe me the second night was every bit as good. I would rate her 8 in looks, 8 in attitude and 8 in skills, i am a little bias as she was very much to my taste so YMMV if you give her a try.The total cost was 1168rmb per session of 90 mins.
I stay in the Pearl Garden Hotel.
Are there some rcommended girls in or in the region?
[QUOTE=Moody]One last thing....
I don't pay the girls to be with me.... I pay them to go away....[/QUOTE]Do someone know Pearl Garden Hotel in Dongguan?
Are there some girls to recommend?
Arctic1,
There are pros and cons to your scenario. The pros are that the price is agreed. The cons are that the service level goes down.
Many of the Yalan BBS girls have been starting to ask me for 150 after the deed too. I do not normally agree in advance since I believe it should be a standard 100 + 100. When I refuse the extra 50, most leave in a huff.
We must look at the psychology of pre-agreement. Many times, if the girl expects 150 and you insist on 100 upfront, she cops an attitude which is reflected in the service you get.
I have been getting worse and worse BBS service in CP lately. We have discussed several theories about this. Maybe it is because I stick to the 100 + 100 in Yalan and 50 + 100 behind Hui Mei. Maybe it is because I have a rep of being only a ST 100 RMB punter and there is no upside potential for the girls. Who knows?
I would like to know what is pushing up the prices. One theory is an influx of swinging dicks with deep pockets and no brains spoiling the market. Even in the catacombs, where it should be 30 RMB, the girls are now asking for 100 RMB from foreigners.
I know it is cheap compared to other countries and even other places in China, but we've had great value in S. China. I hope that at least the brotherhood of ISG will take head and not spoil it for us. We have openly shared our knowledge for the benefit of other members. Sometimes I think it is coming back to bite us in the ass. CP used to be a fantastic place to monger. It is quickly losing its appeal.
Just my POV.
OAH
[QUOTE=Arctic1]Suppliers in Yalan are exerting upward price pressure on our favorite commodity. It is even more prudent now than before to not make any assumptions about the fee structure. When first questioned, many of the mamas in Swan Lake are quoting 100 to them and 150 to the girl, total 250. When pressed, they revert to 200, with an extra 50 as a tip for good service. The girl I was with yesterday asked for 150 when she left, but backed down when I reminded her of my agreement with her mama. So the best advice is to be very specific about prices.[/QUOTE]
I took a laowai newbie to the catacombs for the first time. Although I rarely do the girls there nowadays, I always enjoy the experience of walking throught the alleys and joking around with the girls.
After a full market visit, the newbie wanted to do one girl. I must say that she was at least a 7. We sat down on a wall while he went through the rationalization process. It takes a strong stomach to handle the accomodation. Finally, he was ready. He approached the girl and she asked for 100 RMB. He told her the price was 30 RMB. She flatly refused.
There were a few local onlookers at this point, one of whom was egging her on to try a laowai. She turns to this guy and says, "You take him up the ass for 30 RMB".
Absolutely priceless!
OAH
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]Arctic1,
There are pros and cons to your scenario. The pros are that the price is agreed. The cons are that the service level goes down.
Many of the Yalan BBS girls have been starting to ask me for 150 after the deed too. I do not normally agree in advance since I believe it should be a standard 100 + 100. When I refuse the extra 50, most leave in a huff.
We must look at the psychology of pre-agreement. Many times, if the girl expects 150 and you insist on 100 upfront, she cops an attitude which is reflected in the service you get.
I have been getting worse and worse BBS service in CP lately. We have discussed several theories about this. Maybe it is because I stick to the 100 + 100 in Yalan and 50 + 100 behind Hui Mei. Maybe it is because I have a rep of being only a ST 100 RMB punter and there is no upside potential for the girls. Who knows?
I would like to know what is pushing up the prices. One theory is an influx of swinging dicks with deep pockets and no brains spoiling the market. Even in the catacombs, where it should be 30 RMB, the girls are now asking for 100 RMB from foreigners.
I know it is cheap compared to other countries and even other places in China, but we've had great value in S. China. I hope that at least the brotherhood of ISG will take head and not spoil it for us. We have openly shared our knowledge for the benefit of other members. Sometimes I think it is coming back to bite us in the ass. CP used to be a fantastic place to monger. It is quickly losing its appeal.
Just my POV.
OAH[/QUOTE]
Guys,
I had not been back in CP for over 45 days and see what had it become? What did you guys did??
Sorry.... I didn’t meant you guys as in the; Regular CP gang. I meant those guys who just started throwing money around and spoil the market! Remember sometime back we are arguing on the board about how overpaying will causes the prices to escalate the market prices? But there are many who did not agree by this fact that overpaying will jack up the prices. See what had happened now?
On the other hand, perhaps we should send in the member who said that he have no problems picking up the girls for free because of his good looks! He should be able to help and get the prices down. Since they are free, no reason for us to pay right?
Let me get back to CP this weekend and see what actually happened. Of course, one person like me will not make the difference but at least I can find out why the price hikes?
Enjoy!
AG
[QUOTE=Tileman4]Sorry.... I didn’t meant you guys as in the; Regular CP gang. I meant those guys who just started throwing money around and spoil the market! Remember sometime back we are arguing on the board about how overpaying will causes the prices to escalate the market prices? But there are many who did not agree by this fact that overpaying will jack up the prices. See what had happened now?[/QUOTE]I warned people months ago about this and all I got was people like Laowai123, Crazier, Meimei69 and others hurling abuse at me in defence of their tipping habits.
Members have recently posted how much they have tipped the girls (eg. 30, 50, 100) and claim that 'the girls earnt their tips'.
Bullshit.
Unless they fuck you twice then they have already earnt everything they should,
regardless of what they give you before you pop.
2 pops is what I consider to be "more than expected".
Here is what I had to say:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=551091#post551091&postcount=1810[/url]
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=551091#post551091&postcount=1796[/url]
Now some of you are bitching and moaning about the price rises, but it be time to ask yourselves how did you contribute to this?
[i]OAH I realise you are an innocent victim of what is happening here.[/i]
Me? I fought it tooth and nail (and still do).
Compared to some places in Asia, CP is NOT cheap.
Paying 250ST in CP (for what is often less than 1 hour) is nothing but a joke.
For cryssakes, its not HK, its just dirty (and damned) CP.
Found this gem who love taking photos.
[QUOTE=Moody]One last thing....
I don't pay the girls to be with me.... I pay them to go away....[/QUOTE]
This has always been the way it has been...and will always be the way it will be.
Tipping and Over-paying is different.
Tipping is when you get good service, you give her WILLINGLY the extra money in which they feels good. They will likely to give you equal amount or better service the next time. In the case if they are not Pros, it increase your chance of making them your freebie. An extra 10RMB for transport is considered a tip, or an extra 100RMB for CIM is also considered as a tip as these are rewards for a job well done.
Overpaying is; you know the standard price; they ask for more then the standard, you are too dam lazy to negotiate or you are too overpowered by your little head, who is in control at that moment, you just pay them what they asked for. After the service, you start to regret (some don't) and many a time, the girl you had just overpaid, thinks that you dam stupid! You will most unlikely to pick her from the lineup again. Overpaying applies mainly to Pros. The standard price 200 and they asked for 300, you agreed and paid is considered over-paying. That is NOT a tip.
Enjoy!
AG
[QUOTE=Bo Tar]Found this gem who love taking photos.[/QUOTE]Bo Tar,
Great catch. I will be in CP next week. Can you forward this catch or the mamas contract?
Much apprentice,
WO
[QUOTE=Tileman4]
Sorry.... I didn’t meant you guys as in the; Regular CP gang. I meant those guys who just started throwing money around and spoil the market! Remember sometime back we are arguing on the board about how overpaying will causes the prices to escalate the market prices? But there are many who did not agree by this fact that overpaying will jack up the prices. See what had happened now? [/QUOTE]
Yes, I agree with you and Azn Playa. If the girls keep their mouth shut, it's fine to over tip. But I will guarantee most girls will brag about how much she got from customers. They will talk among themselves about how kinky was this guy or big/small was the other guy. Then this guy gave me a lot of money to take pictures. Please don't over tip. It will drive up the price. The girls will start asking for more and they have started already. Next, don't be con in to play more. In my opinion, a small tip is fine only for good service. I myself am NOT a regular to CP.
In another store, I had one girl tried to trick me to pay 300RMB from the Yanlan KTV. She said she was a special girl and only worked part-time. She had another job. The mamasan also told me this after I took her. Well, after asking for 300, I called the mamasan and the girl wanted to talked to her first. I did not give her the chance. The mamasan comfirmed it was 200.
You have to also note, the exchange rate for most currency for the RMB is also less. For example, the USD to RMB was 8.2 before. Now it's around 7.5 and it's expect to go even lower. There is a huge trade deficit with China and the USA wants China to devalue the RMB even more. You are paying more now for 200RMB takeout at CP.
Moody,
Please do not take any offence from this post. Knowing you as well as I do, I think the charm is only part of it. Yes, you are an interesting guy and, yes, you are reasonably good looking. Not Brad Pitt but far better than either AG or myself (Sorry AG). However, you also have plenty of money and throw it around. You are at the KTV nearly every night and all the girls and mamas know about your generosity.
You must admit that this MO substantially helps your efforts to seduce the KTV girls. I can imagine that they might have "long term" hopes of a sugar daddy scenario with you.
Just my POV.
OAH
P.S. I want to make it clear that Moody only throws money where it does not spoil the market. When he does P4P, he only pays the standard rate e.g if we go to a BBS in CP, he only pays the 200 RMB, KTV girls 500 ST, etc.
[QUOTE=Azn Playa]I warned people months ago about this and all I got was people like Laowai123, Crazier, Meimei69 and others hurling abuse at me in defence of their tipping habits.
.[/QUOTE]
I don't recollect hurling abuse at you although I know we had protracted disagreements over the free-market discussion of supply and demand and who were the market makers.
Despite the minority of ISGs and their knowledgeable care in sharing pricing and more, the "market makers" (wherever they have been coming from) drove up prices by their demand.
I am sure there was nothing you or I could have done to stop it even though many of us stopped posting FRs and attractive "come to CP FRs".
The fact is that mongers are competing for the same pussies.
Money is the one commodity that the women understand because if its not money, why the hell do you think they spread their legs for most of us?
If we don't like the market where prices have been driven up, we simply move elswhere new until it happens again.
[QUOTE=Bo Tar]Found this gem who love taking photos.[/QUOTE]Bo Tar,
Great catch!
I will be in CP area next week. Would like the contact of this catch or the BBS mamas #. Please PM me the info
Thanks,
WO
Oh man.... I think some of you guys are taking my tongue in cheek comments wayyyyy toooooo seriously.
I'm not a good looking guy. I consider myself average at best. Maybe better looking than Jackie Chan, but then who isn't? ;) Nor do I dress to impress. Unless my GF annoys me about it, I'll usually have 2-3 days of beard. Most of the time, you'll see me wearing a t-shirt, shorts, and sneakers. South China is way too hot to be going around wearing more.
My point was never that I could get KTV girls without paying them. In my previous post, I was a bit defensive when I shouldn't have been. My point was that if you put in a little effort to be an interesting person, it would make your experience with the girl much better. If you can make the girl want you more than you want her, you'll be surprised at the lengths she will go to in order to make you happy. That's all my point was.
Yes, money is important. It is after all, what these girls are working for. If however, you can make her forget she's a hooker and feel like a normal girl, even for a little bit, she'll be much more accommodating to what you want from her. It's not always about the money, sometimes, it's about being a person too, and everything that entails including personal desires.
I will be in CP at Hui Hua for a week starting June 18. Will be "alone", that is without male comrades, on June 21-23. Learned that Bill Lee will be in town. Send me an email if you will be around. Thanks.
BTW I do not think the posters on ISG would cause prices to rise. There are many mongers who do not read these posts and do not understand the rates.
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]Moody,
...However, you also have plenty of money and throw it around. You are at the KTV nearly every night and all the girls and mamas know about your generosity. [/QUOTE]
Lately... I have my buds from the US pay everything.. LOL :D They can afford it. They make tons.
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]You must admit that this MO substantially helps your efforts to seduce the KTV girls. I can imagine that they might have "long term" hopes of a sugar daddy scenario with you.[/QUOTE]
I must agree with you on this. I've spoken to enough girls to know that for a lot of them, money is good enough. I know of one girl, she's 22 right now and she's married to a 66 year old guy. She readily admits that the only reason she agreed to marry him is because of the money. She believes the only reason he married her was so he could have a son, apparently he only has daughters.
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]
Just my POV.
OAH
P.S. I want to make it clear that Moody only throws money where it does not spoil the market. When he does P4P, he only pays the standard rate e.g if we go to a BBS in CP, he only pays the 200 RMB, KTV girls 500 ST, etc. [/QUOTE]
Wanna hear something funny? Lately, I've been bugging the girls for a discount if I'm a repeat customer. ;) Last time at the Hui Mei, one girl even agreed.. .LOL Next time I'm there, I'm gonna take her up on her offer.. :D
[QUOTE=Moody]Lately... I have my buds from the US pay everything.. LOL :D They can afford it. They make tons.
I must agree with you on this. I've spoken to enough girls to know that for a lot of them, money is good enough. I know of one girl, she's 22 right now and she's married to a 66 year old guy. She readily admits that the only reason she agreed to marry him is because of the money. She believes the only reason he married her was so he could have a son, apparently he only has daughters.
Wanna hear something funny? Lately, I've been bugging the girls for a discount if I'm a repeat customer. ;) Last time at the Hui Mei, one girl even agreed.. .LOL Next time I'm there, I'm gonna take her up on her offer.. :D[/QUOTE]
I fail to understand this Moody.... aren't you are already a sugar daddy for a few girls? What about the one in Shenzhen?
Enjoy!
AG
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]I fail to understand this Moody.... aren't you are already a sugar daddy for a few girls? What about the one in Shenzhen?
Enjoy!
AG[/QUOTE]
Dude, I can barely manage to hold onto one GF... let alone multiples. :eek: And I'm not sure what qualifies as a "sugar daddy." Sure my GF stays in my apartment, but I don't give her any set amount of money every month or anything. She makes couple thousand a month at her job and it seems to be enough for her. I should break up with her soon so she can find some rich guy or something before she gets too old.
[QUOTE=Moody]Dude, I can barely manage to hold onto one GF... let alone multiples. :eek: And I'm not sure what qualifies as a "sugar daddy." Sure my GF stays in my apartment, but I don't give her any set amount of money every month or anything. She makes couple thousand a month at her job and it seems to be enough for her. I should break up with her soon so she can find some rich guy or something before she gets too old.[/QUOTE]
Oh.... I am sorry....I will go and shoot my Intel sources. Got me the wrong info :D
So, actually I should say, your GF is in the freebie Category. She just enjoys your company and stays in your apartment.
There go newbies.... here is a guy who has no "female killer" looks but is a killer when comes to girls. Why? Because he is so loveable, humorous and most important, he let his mouth do the work! Please learn from this truly successful monger => Moody.
Enjoy!
AG
BTW: Bill is asking over breakfast just now, are you in town? seems that you are???
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]
BTW: Bill is asking over breakfast just now, are you in town? seems that you are???[/QUOTE]
Nah, Still in the US of A. I'll probably be in China around the 20th-22nd... depending on some work related matters. I'm sure you guys'll be around before I leave sometime in late July.
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Tipping and Over-paying is different.
Tipping is when you get good service, you give her WILLINGLY the extra money in which they feels good. They will likely to give you equal amount or better service the next time. In the case if they are not Pros, it increase your chance of making them your freebie. An extra 10RMB for transport is considered a tip, or an extra 100RMB for CIM is also considered as a tip as these are rewards for a job well done.
Overpaying is; you know the standard price; they ask for more then the standard, you are too dam lazy to negotiate or you are too overpowered by your little head, who is in control at that moment, you just pay them what they asked for. After the service, you start to regret (some don't) and many a time, the girl you had just overpaid, thinks that you dam stupid! You will most unlikely to pick her from the lineup again. Overpaying applies mainly to Pros. The standard price 200 and they asked for 300, you agreed and paid is considered over-paying. That is NOT a tip.
Enjoy!
AG[/QUOTE]
I don't know where this counts as.... tip or overpaying...
Last year, I got a girl from Cinese. OAH woulda loved her, she had something like 40DD or 40EE breasts. They were so big I couldn't hold one with 2 hands. Anyway, after we were done, I noticed some stretch marks on her stomach. I asked if she had a kid and she showed me some pix of her with her 2 year old son. I gave her an extra 100 to buy some toys for her kid. I don't think I've ever seen a girl so grateful before in my life...
[QUOTE=Moody]I don't know where this counts as.... tip or overpaying...
Last year, I got a girl from Cinese. OAH woulda loved her, she had something like 40DD or 40EE breasts. They were so big I couldn't hold one with 2 hands. Anyway, after we were done, I noticed some stretch marks on her stomach. I asked if she had a kid and she showed me some pix of her with her 2 year old son. I gave her an extra 100 to buy some toys for her kid. I don't think I've ever seen a girl so grateful before in my life...[/QUOTE]
That's a tip because she never ask for extra, you gave it to her out of good will. You are such a nice guy to take care of her baby.
May be by Santa's definition, its a down payment, why? because the next time if you ever take her again, she would give you the time of your life!
Oh, BTW: I will be around when you come in.
Enjoy!
AG
[QUOTE=Prince Darkness]I also heard Kande Club is the best in town. My friend took me there around 7pm, and we were rejected. Actually, they lead us to the public sauna, when we ask for a private rooms, the manager told us there is no more room. Both of us are Chinese. My friend told me, the club is known for not taking any new comers.
[/QUOTE]
The manager was probably telling the truth. One time I went there and was told there was a 2 hour wait for a room, this was probably around 8PM. My friend who first took me to the place said it got really popular really fast. I remember going back a few days later with some other friends during the daytime, they took us straight in without a wait.
hookers do 5 to 10 johns a day or more. dont count on hookers to remember who you are, regardless how big the tips you gave them.
100rmb tip for a 200rmb job is way too high. the girl would be shocked at your ease of wasting money, and probably made a mental note to hit laowais for bigger tips next time.
you should have negotiated a second round for 100rmb. that would spoil the market less for the next guys. that's my tip the second time for 100rmb.
one time i was in the walter hotel foot massage in chang ping, 2 hours for 90rmb. my girl worked very hard 2 hours straight. at the end i did not have change, so i gave her 100rmb tip to be divided with her friend. her eyes were wide opened, her jaw was hanging, she was speechless for a minute in disbelief. the poor girl could not believe it. she was a sexy girl with a very nice figure. i was gonna invite her to dinner at midnight and gave her my bigger tip but she could not make it.
i really felt sad for these poor girls, but i always use a lot of restraints so as not to inflate their expectations with other laowais.
[quote=ace gallant] may be by santa's definition, its a down payment, why? because the next time if you ever take her again, she would give you the time of your life!
ag[/quote]
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]
100RMB tip for a 200RMB job is way too high. The girl would be shocked at your ease of wasting money, and probably made a mental note to hit laowais for bigger tips next time.
You should have negotiated a second round for 100RMB. That would spoil the market less for the next guys. That's my TIP the second time for 100RMB.[/QUOTE]
OWL,
You really show off your ignorance with posts like that... Don't think just because you've been to China a few times, you know everything. If you had paid a little attention to my post, you would have seen the following:
Second sentence in my post:
[QUOTE=Moody]Last year, I got a girl from Cinese.[/QUOTE]
FYI, the Cinese (AKA Fuying Jiudian) is a 5 star hotel in Houjie almost on the border of Dongguan City. It has a very nice KTV. I'm sure Fast Eddie would agree they have either the best or second best lookers in Dongguan. I used to be a regular there and there was a span when I went there 12 nights in a row a couple of years ago. If you read my past postings, you'll see at least a dozen reports about the Cinese going back about 3 years. The going rate for the regular girls there is 800-1000. The model girls get more. At the da-ting there, they have a little fashion show every hour where all the model girls come out and dance for like 10 minutes.
Also, as the guys who know me can attest, I can easily get away with telling girls I'm a "huaqiao." They don't consider me laowai and they don't try the laowai nonsense with me.
Before you criticize somebody's behavior, make sure you know what you're criticizing. When you assume, you just make an "ass" of "u" and "me," but mostly "u."
PS. As for negotiating for a 2nd time. Didn't need to. Just chatted for a bit and started up again.
spoiling the market for us foot massage girl fetish mongers. can't believe you tip 100rmb and what does it say when the girl didn't make your dinner plan about her and you?
given the fact that you, like me, don't speak the language, we are treated like laowais. you are just another foreigner spoiling the market.
owl, you don't practice what you preach and you appear to be quite proud of it.
bill
[quote=one wing low]
one time i was in the walter hotel foot massage in chang ping, 2 hours for 90rmb. my girl worked very hard 2 hours straight. at the end i did not have change, so i gave her 100rmb tip to be divided with her friend. her eyes were wide opened, her jaw was hanging, she was speechless for a minute in disbelief. the poor girl could not believe it. she was a sexy girl with a very nice figure. i was gonna invite her to dinner at midnight and gave her my bigger tip but she could not make it.
i really felt sad for these poor girls, but i always use a lot of restraints so as not to inflate their expectations with other laowais.[/quote]
I had a word with the mama in CP yesterday and the day before. They all told me the same story:
They rise up the price from 200 to 250 / 300 because during the Guangzhou fair, there was an influx of foreigners from the fair. These foreigners would pay anything to get their pussy. Many of them had those Taxi drivers bringing them to their shops and have no ideal what was the market price. The mamas also admitted that they all see this as a chance to raise the price and to make the extra bucks. Besides, those mamas will have to pay a commission of 10RMB extra to the Taxi drivers if the person they brought to their shop takes a girl from them.
As usual, once they are able to get extra 50 or 100 out from one foreigner, they will not hesitate to try it on anyone. Mamas told me, as for us; the regular customers, they will give “discounts.”
Enjoy!
AG
OWL,
Even if Moody had given the girl 100 tip for 200 service (which you had all wrong BTW), what is the difference between this and the 800 tip you gave the KTV girl for 1,500 service? Do the math. About 50% in both cases, even a little higher in your case.
In the same post, you are now talking about the pitfalls of overtipping the "hookers" yet you are overtipping the foot massage girls.
I am lost.
OAH
The KTV girl was supposed to be gone by 8AM but stayed with me until noon. Thus the large tip.
With the Walter foot massage girls, I had nothing but 100RMB bill. So I gave 100 to both of them. That's 50RMB each for excellent services when I had no change.
I would have given her a much bigger gift had she gone to a dinner date with me at midnight as planned.
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]OWL,
Even if Moody had given the girl 100 tip for 200 service (which you had all wrong BTW), what is the difference between this and the 800 tip you gave the KTV girl for 1,500 service? Do the math. About 50% in both cases, even a little higher in your case.
In the same post, you are now talking about the pitfalls of overtipping the "hookers" yet you are overtipping the foot massage girls.
I am lost.
OAH[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]The KTV girl was supposed to be gone by 8AM but stayed with me until noon. Thus the large tip.
With the Walter foot massage girls, I had nothing but 100RMB bill. So I gave 100 to both of them. That's 50RMB each for excellent services when I had no change.
I would have given her a much bigger gift had she gone to a dinner date with me at midnight as planned.[/QUOTE]
Personally, I think this is Horseshit (excuse my French). I go to the Walter Hotel for my footies and I know that the manager will get payment from you when your done, how hard is it to tell the manger to add a tip to the total or make change for you. The girls don't even give you a tip sheet, so any tip is more than expected.
Also, did you ask the KTV girl to stay the extra 4 hours or did she just tag along? Did you bang her at least once in those 4 hours to justify the huge tip? I've seen it before where a guy takes a KTV girl for the night and keeps her "overtime" assuming it's free of charge because he thinks the girl really likes him..wait till you get the bill.
-SZE
It was about 6:15 p.m., saw about 7 undercovers running from the #1 shop area into the back of the Yalan Hotel, into the shop with two rooms. I had just gotten out of the two room shop.
The mommy I was with saw them and immediately bolted off, calling on her cellphone. Saw another mommy who confirmed that they were LE.
I was with Santa, who instinctively told me to get the fuck of the area. But like the New Yorker that I am, I wanted to stay and watch but we didn't. Wish I had stayed.
Will check out scene tomorrow at the two-room shop.
BTW, the shops in the rooms on the 5th floor of the Silver Lake had about 6 to 8 girls each.
The two rooms behind the Yalan had 1 girl in the right side and 5 girls on the left side.
Bill
I did not even broach the question.
She really wanted to go at midnight, but a bunch of cheap skates must have kept her and her friends working over time without tips.... Poor girls....
I brought out this example so people would know how shocked these girls would be with that amount of tip. In other countries, tipping at about 25% for good services is expected if you want to come back and be treated with decency.
I wanted that massage girl. Hopefully she still works there next time I am back in CP.
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]spoiling the market for us foot massage girl fetish mongers. Can't believe you tip 100RMB and what does it say when the girl didn't make your dinner plan about her and you?
Given the fact that you, like me, don't speak the language, we are treated like laowais. You are just another foreigner spoiling the market.
OWL, you don't practice what you preach and you appear to be quite proud of it.
Bill[/QUOTE]
You call someone horseshit, you are just personally horseshit yourself.
At the Walter hotel, the girls were gone immediately after delivering their services. I had to pay at the reception desk. Would have been bad if I did not give them the tip on the spot.
The KTV girl was one of the best. I asked her to stay for breakfast. Sex was even better after breakfast. She was probably hungry the night before. Poor girl.
Both girls deserved their tips. I would probably try to negotiate cheaper deals outside of the KTV price structure.
[QUOTE=Szexpat]Personally, I think this is Horseshit (excuse my French). I go to the Walter Hotel for my footies and I know that the manager will get payment from you when your done, how hard is it to tell the manger to add a tip to the total or make change for you. The girls don't even give you a tip sheet, so any tip is more than expected.
Also, did you ask the KTV girl to stay the extra 4 hours or did she just tag along? Did you bang her at least once in those 4 hours to justify the huge tip? I've seen it before where a guy takes a KTV girl for the night and keeps her "overtime" assuming it's free of charge because he thinks the girl really likes him..wait till you get the bill.
-SZE[/QUOTE]
Was in shop on Saturday in one of the shops behind the Hui Mei, saw an Asian fellow and a Caucasian. I was told by JK666 that they paid 200 RMB for ST. Idiots. It's 150 Rmb. Don't let the mommy dictate the price.
Took a girl in at the Miraton by calling it in. It was from one of the Hui Mei alley shops. Before getting the phone number and name, mommy quoted me 100 for the mommy and 100 for the girl. I told her that the price was 50 for the mommy but she repeated 100 several times before I told her that I was leaving for another place. Then she changed her tune and came back down to 50.
When my girl arrived at the Miraton, the same mommy came too. Again, tried to ask for 100 again. I immediately told her that I was no longer interested in her girl. Only a minute later, she agreed to 50. Then she asked me for transport fee which I told her why the fuck did you come in the first place. She left with 50 rmb.
Bill
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]Was in shop on Saturday in one of the shops behind the Hui Mei, saw an Asian fellow and a Caucasian. I was told by JK666 that they paid 200 RMB for ST. Idiots. It's 150 Rmb. Don't let the mommy dictate the price.
Took a girl in at the Miraton by calling it in. It was from one of the Hui Mei alley shops. Before getting the phone number and name, mommy quoted me 100 for the mommy and 100 for the girl. I told her that the price was 50 for the mommy but she repeated 100 several times before I told her that I was leaving for another place. Then she changed her tune and came back down to 50.
When my girl arrived at the Miraton, the same mommy came too. Again, tried to ask for 100 again. I immediately told her that I was no longer interested in her girl. Only a minute later, she agreed to 50. Then she asked me for transport fee which I told her why the fuck did you come in the first place. She left with 50 rmb.
Bill[/QUOTE]I thought the going rate is 300 ST(100 for mommy, 200 for girl), 500 LT. thats what all the previous post said, and thats what I used as basis when I went to CP.
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]spoiling the market for us foot massage girl fetish mongers. Can't believe you tip 100RMB and what does it say when the girl didn't make your dinner plan about her and you?
Given the fact that you, like me, don't speak the language, we are treated like laowais. You are just another foreigner spoiling the market.
OWL, you don't practice what you preach and you appear to be quite proud of it.
Bill[/QUOTE]What's wrong with tipping? Spoiling the market? It's a free market to do as one pleases. I understand your point, but I also understand that tipping makes people very happy, both giver and taker. As for the pot calling the kettle black, we all catch ourselves doing that sometimes.
Again, it's P4P info on this board and many people tend to believe that they are not purchasing a product or service. At work, many of these same people will haggle for hours trying to get a good bargain or at least a fair price on services to be rendered. But, when it comes to sex these same people think that there is romance involved. Yeah, romance with P4P girls. Sucking on stiff staffs of 10 different men each day and licking their anal behinds.
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]
She really wanted to go at midnight, but a bunch of cheap skates must have kept her and her friends working over time without tips.... Poor girls....[/QUOTE]
So what's that mean? The rest of us who don't tip the foot massage girls are cheapskates? Who the hell tips the foot massage girls anyway, unless it's at some high end spa where they bring you a tip sheet. I don't tip the guy who cuts my toenails either, so I guess that makes me a cheapskate. Poor toenail cutting guys... having to work so hard without tips....... Geez.......
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]I wanted that massage girl. Hopefully she still works there next time I am back in CP.[/QUOTE]
Dude, she blew you off. Get over it and move on. Take my word for it, she has.
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]
The KTV girl was one of the best. I asked her to stay for breakfast. Sex was even better after breakfast. She was probably hungry the night before. Poor girl.
Both girls deserved their tips. I would probably try to negotiate cheaper deals outside of the KTV price structure. [/QUOTE]
Dude, you've got some serious "Pretty Woman" complex. BTW, there's no rule saying girls have to leave at 8AM. I would say 90% of the time, girls I get are dead asleep at 8AM. I usually have to wake them up around 10AM so I can tell them to leave so I can do other stuff. I have friends who usually have girls hanging around with them until way after lunch. Those guys never give them anything extra. There's no such thing as overtime with KTV girls. If they like you, they'll hang around. If they don't, they'll ask to leave. Simple as that. Most of the time, I'm bugging my friends to send their girls home so we can go do other stuff.
If you want to give her extra money for whatever reason, that's fine. Don't try to rationalize it however, by giving some BS excuse about how she earned it by staying with you until noon.
[QUOTE=Moody]Dude, you've got some serious "Pretty Woman" complex. BTW, there's no rule saying girls have to leave at 8AM. I would say 90% of the time, girls I get are dead asleep at 8AM. I usually have to wake them up around 10PM so I can tell them to leave so I can do other stuff. I have friends who usually have girls hanging around with them until way after lunch. Those guys never give them anything extra. There's no such thing as overtime with KTV girls. If they like you, they'll hang around. If they don't, they'll ask to leave. Simple as that.[/QUOTE]
I usually shag them all night till early morning around 5 to 6am before going to bed. This cause them to refuse to leave till at the earliest 1 - 2pm. Most of the time, I have to lock up all my valuables in the safe, leaving her in the room sleeping before joining the guys at breakfast around 9 - 10am. When I return from breakfast around 11pm; I am sure they are still asleep.
These girls usually work in the night and sleeps in the day. If no-one takes them out, they will only head home around 2am (for BBS girls) and 3am for some of KTV the girls. Even that, they do not go home straight after work, they usually hang round some food places till around 4 to 5 am before heading home. THey will sleep through the day and get to work around 2pm to 3 pm.
The other reason why they would stay late with you is because, they hope that you will keep them for another day (night) that way they are assured of a confirm customer (in other words, assured of another day of pay).
Enjoy!
AG
OWL,
A big spender like you should know that you can buy the foot massage girls out by just paying the house for the time.
OAH
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]I did not even broach the question.
She really wanted to go at midnight, but a bunch of cheap skates must have kept her and her friends working over time without tips.... Poor girls....
I brought out this example so people would know how shocked these girls would be with that amount of tip. In other countries, tipping at about 25% for good services is expected if you want to come back and be treated with decency.
I wanted that massage girl. Hopefully she still works there next time I am back in CP.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]Was in shop on Saturday in one of the shops behind the Hui Mei, saw an Asian fellow and a Caucasian. I was told by JK666 that they paid 200 RMB for ST. Idiots. It's 150 Rmb. Don't let the mommy dictate the price.[/QUOTE]
Last year one time, I got a girl at a Huangjiang BBS for 80RMB. :D Don't ask me where it was, I have no idea. It was around 3-4AM I think. I caught a cab to take me back to Shenzhen, on the way, I told the guy, "wo xiang zhao nu hai." The guy takes me to some alley in Huangjiang where a bunch of girls are hanging around. I see one I like, I asked the papa guy how much, guy tells me 100RMB. I ask him for 50RMB. We haggle a bit and we settle on 80RMB. The funny thing, afterwards, I give the girl 80RMB. She tells me it's 100RMB. I tell her the laoban told me it was 80RMB. She yells out the window and asks if 80RMB is ok. THE GUY DOESN'T EVEN LOOK UP FROM HIS CARD GAME AND JUST SAYS "DUI DUI DUI!!!"
I have to say though, the girl was a real trooper. I was pretty drunk when I got there and it took a lot of effort on her part to get me to the end.
The Hui Mei mommys all try to get 100 RMB from me too. I cannot remember how many girls I have taken from the hotel on the left side of the alley, but every time the mommy asks for 100 + 100; only to quickly agree to 50 RMB after I refuse.
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]Was in shop on Saturday in one of the shops behind the Hui Mei, saw an Asian fellow and a Caucasian. I was told by JK666 that they paid 200 RMB for ST. Idiots. It's 150 Rmb. Don't let the mommy dictate the price.
Took a girl in at the Miraton by calling it in. It was from one of the Hui Mei alley shops. Before getting the phone number and name, mommy quoted me 100 for the mommy and 100 for the girl. I told her that the price was 50 for the mommy but she repeated 100 several times before I told her that I was leaving for another place. Then she changed her tune and came back down to 50.
When my girl arrived at the Miraton, the same mommy came too. Again, tried to ask for 100 again. I immediately told her that I was no longer interested in her girl. Only a minute later, she agreed to 50. Then she asked me for transport fee which I told her why the fuck did you come in the first place. She left with 50 rmb.
Bill[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]You call someone horseshit, you are just personally horseshit yourself.
At the Walter hotel, the girls were gone immediately after delivering their services. I had to pay at the reception desk. Would have been bad if I did not give them the tip on the spot.
The KTV girl was one of the best. I asked her to stay for breakfast. Sex was even better after breakfast. She was probably hungry the night before. Poor girl.
Both girls deserved their tips. I would probably try to negotiate cheaper deals outside of the KTV price structure.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Szexpat]Personally, I think this is Horseshit (excuse my French). [/QUOTE]
Where did I say YOU were horseshit? I said the procedure was! When the footie is over, the manager comes with the bill to your room and you pay there. You can give the girls a tip out of your pocket, add it to your bill or ask the manager to break 100 into small bills. Certainly, if you wanted to bang her, you got her name and probably her employee #, right?
As far as the KTV girl, you ASKED her to stay. You are paying for her time and we all know, time is money. So technically, you did not give her such a large tip, you were actually paying late fees.
-SZE
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]... you can buy the foot massage girls out by just paying the house for the time.
OAH[/QUOTE]
Some friends of mine did exactly that at the Sheraton last year. The girls even suggested they buy the coupon book cuz it's cheaper that way and they end up with a couple extra massages for the same money.
Overall they said the experience was so-so at best. The girls were fairly innocent (if such a thing exists in China) and they didn't really get into the spirit of drinking and debauchery that is KTV. They mentioned these girls didn't even know how to play the dice game... LOL. Furthermore, they said the language barrier made things a bit tough too.
[QUOTE=Prince Darkness]I thought the going rate is 300 ST(100 for mommy, 200 for girl), 500 LT. thats what all the previous post said, and thats what I used as basis when I went to CP.[/QUOTE]
Nah, they been charging you high. The girls from the Yalan area get 200, the others get 150.
But what OWL does is overtipping and making harder for us to keep the price down when we come back from overseas. And it makes it harder for our local friends to keep the price down. We come here for the hot honeys and the great price.
How would you feel if you had a free market on everything? Gas, food and rent would go sky high. It could become a seller's market. Sure, there would be some providers who will come down to get the business. But why spoil a good thing that exists already? Why spoil it? Don't forget it's the locals here such as AG, OAH and JK666 who provided good info as to where to go. Now, you're fucking it up for them. Do you think that they will provide additional information on the next great place when people on the board, such as the lurkers here, come in and fuck it up?
Just an opinion.
If it ain't broken, don't fix it.
Bill
[QUOTE=Round Two]What's wrong with tipping? Spoiling the market? It's a free market to do as one pleases. I understand your point, but I also understand that tipping makes people very happy, both giver and taker. As for the pot calling the kettle black, we all catch ourselves doing that sometimes.
Again, it's P4P info on this board and many people tend to believe that they are not purchasing a product or service. At work, many of these same people will haggle for hours trying to get a good bargain or at least a fair price on services to be rendered. But, when it comes to sex these same people think that there is romance involved. Yeah, romance with P4P girls. Sucking on stiff staffs of 10 different men each day and licking their anal behinds.[/QUOTE]
Been a long while since I went to CP and it was nice to meet up with Santa, Bill, and Wadmad, although it was briefly since I spent most of my time fucking or sleeping. Well, it's CP after, what else you going to do?
Gal #1 from behind Hui Mei, not so sure the exact location, just followed Bill. Mama ofcourse wanted 200 but just pretend to walk out and you'll get the 150 price. She does that with EVERY customer, it's almost not serious, and if for some reason the dude pays, then, well, she earns an extra 50 with little consequence. I actually pointed out to Bill the white dude/HK dude who paid the 200 (saw them pay 200 upfront as they left and the mama commenting to another mama in their dialect "200 paid"). Obviously, these dudes don't read this board so they paid that amount and that's that. If they DO read this board AND paid, then let me be the first to say, "You two dumb ass fuck-sticks, what's wrong with you guys??"
Anyway, the gal was from Dongbei somewhere and was touted as a former sauna gal, great service, etc. etc...but turned out to be very SOP and very average service. Not good, not bad, and enough to extract my semen. 50 upfront to mama and 100 happily accepted by gal after deed in hotel and gone from my my room.
Gal #2 from Yalan BBS, not sure which one, followed Bill again. A Hubei gal who mama promised would give oustanding service, CIM, etc. etc. and the gal even confirmed all this personally. One, again, very SOP and very average service. Not good, not bad, and enough to extract more of my semen. No, wait, after a while fucking, I told her to BBBJCIM which she did with no problem, but after 10-15 min of BBBJ, it wasn't going to happen and I didn't really want to force out perfectly useful semen that could be coaxed out by another gal. 100 upfront to mama and 100 happily accepted by gal after deed in hotel. Added 15 taxi money (yes, I know she'll take 5 RMB moto but I felt so sorry for the poor poor girl...strangely, her eyes didn't light up nor did she seemed pleasantly shocked by the extra 10. Unappreciative ****).
Gal #3 from Yalan BBS, not sure which one but from some fat mamasan with the generic name "hua nu (flower girl)" which I made fun of so she told me her real name was Ms. Huang something-something. Anyway, plump, sassy, and happy gal. Pushed a cute gal on me who turned out to be "18" and from Hubei, yet again. (In ZH, many gals are all from Hunan) She actually gave me bad vibes after arriving to my hotel and sitting around with a sour look and disinterested attitude. Didn't really want to kick her out immediately because, well, we are basically paying young gals who don't want to fuck us to fuck us and that human element of the deal is always tricky. Even though I'm younger and not obviously foreign-looking like a lot of ISG buddies, I'm still in the same boat. Could have had a dead fish experience, but didn't want that and, even more pathetic/tragic I wouldn't rough-fuck-pound the gal as "revenge" or some nonsense like that. So...tried to be friendly, show her some interesting BS on my laptop, and make her laugh a bit. It takes time and is tedious, I know, but in the end, the service was, unsurprisingly good and GFE. I couldn't believe that in the end, it took more than 2 hours from beginning to end (sorry, that's why I was MIA for dinner to you guys in CP). 100 upfront to mama and 100 + 15 happily accepted by gal.
Gal #4 was a recommendation from Jojo in the Yalan area. She's the young gal in braces and with decent English skills. Awesome recommendation and was very natural, fun, and GFE just like Jojo said. Very chatty, playful, and fun to talk to and just watch TV with. Oh, yeah, very soft, white translucent skin and tight pussy. Petite breasts and a bit of baby fat, but that's not a bad thing in my opinion. And, yes, from Hubie, yet again (OAH, just goes to show you not all Hubei experiences are bad!). Did her once and lots of chatting, BBBJ/DATY while watching TV, then sleep. I was basically fucked out after this 6-hour CP fuck fest.
In the morning, only saw 1 HK monger and his gal at breakfast at the Miraton (8:30am is probably too early). Then went back and did some work while gal #4 slept until 11:30 am. She woke up, showered, we fucked again, then I sent her on her way with 100 upfront to Jojo and 400 to gal + 15 happily accepted.
Returned to ZH in the afternoon with my feelings about CP reconfirmed; I can't think of another place where the options for low-to-mid range young Chinese gals are so numerous and efficiently offered to extract my semen. But because of it's lack of non-mongering activities it's still a place where I do "Delta Force mongering": drop in, drop some loads, and then get the fuck out.
Thanks again, Uncle Bill-cey for playing the "bad cop/vet monger" role to balance my "good cop/ignorant monger" role.
J
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The low end as we know it for ST, the Catacomb for 30RMB. The Yalan for 200, the night market for 150 and the Hui Mei alley for 150. There's also the KTV but I don't know what they are since I haven't done one over 5 years. But you search on the board, you're find out.
LT at Yalan and alley is 500.
That's the pricing structure I know of.
Bill
[QUOTE=Prince Darkness]I thought the going rate is 300 ST(100 for mommy, 200 for girl), 500 LT. thats what all the previous post said, and thats what I used as basis when I went to CP.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Round Two]What's wrong with tipping? Spoiling the market? It's a free market to do as one pleases. I understand your point, but I also understand that tipping makes people very happy, both giver and taker. As for the pot calling the kettle black, we all catch ourselves doing that sometimes.[/QUOTE]
There's nothing wrong with tipping. Every now and then, I've been known to tip. The thing is though, if a guy tells a KTV girl he's giving her an extra 800RMB because she stayed with him until noon, pretty soon, that's going to become something expected. She'll ask and expect it from the next guy and to be honest, what's she got to lose by asking? At worst she'll get what she's supposed to get, and best case she makes an extra 800. Furthermore, things like that get around quick and in no time, every girl that works at her KTV will know some guy gave her an extra 800 for staying until noon. It's not a big stretch to think that after a little while, all the girls that work there will expect this kind of compensation if they stay a little late.
The footie girls always try to sweet talk me, Downunder96, Gogo Bob and Gentilman Jim can attest to this. I am certainly not handsome (AG, I am still waiting for my grade) and I have been in China long enough to know, they are just trying to squeeze an extra hour out of me. One cute footie girl even offered her "virginity" to me for 1,000 rmb, of course I would need to buy another hour of massage to discuss details.
Personally, small tips are cool with me. I often give the footie girl 10 or 15 rmb, if it's a really good job, but I would never tip her more than the foot massage itself, then of course if she banged me or blew me in the chair I might.
My thoughts on how the swinging dicks spoil the market:
-John see girl he likes
-Mommy see's laowai (or non regular)
-Mommy quotes him 300 rmb
-John rationalizes by thinking 300 rmb is only $35 USD (insert your own currency here) to fuck an 18 year old Chinese cutie
-John considers he could NEVER score with such a honey back home because he is (insert any excuse here old/ugly/fat/married, etc.)
-John can't speak putonghua or has no idea that bartering is a hobby of Chinese people so he simply agrees.
-John busts a nut (either via good or bad service), but feels obligated to give the girl some sugar money because he (insert excuse: really likes her, felt guilty, felt ashamed, showing off, felt there was some real bonding, trying to score an 18 yo gf, needed to thin his fat wallet, help those poor/needy girls in China).
-Girl goes back to shop to tell all her friends about the big spender
-Girls in shop now want laowai (non reg) because they want the fat tips
-After sometime of this, mommy decides she wants a bigger piece of the pie so increases the downpayment for the pussy.
-Regulars go to get a shot only to be told of price increase, then come to ISG and complain about it and tell others don't spoil the market for everyone.
-John, once again rationalizes via excuses:
1. I am only one guy, I can't spoil the market
2. It's my money and I can do what I want with it
3. I have a serious personality disorder and need to feel wanted and appreciated
4. Fuck those guys on ISG, I never was a team player and never will be
5. Mind your own damn business
6. Insert any other insult, excuse, selfish response.
The only ones who really have a legit excuse are the guys who have never heard of ISG...can this be true?
Just my thoughts
-SZE
Your report on "swinging dicks spoiling the market" is right on the money and I REALLY wish more could read it, not only in this forum but ALL the forums. You have a near pefect understanding of the big picture not only here but almost all of the mongering locations I have ever been. I am the typical old guy who is directly effected by the swinging dicks who wonder in and start throwing money around.
I am sure some will dissagree and some will just call me cheap. I know I am cheap.
Will you buy me a beer now?
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]But what OWL does is overtipping and making harder for us to keep the price down when we come back from overseas. And it makes it harder for our local friends to keep the price down. We come here for the hot honeys and the great price.
...
Why spoil it? Don't forget it's the locals here such as AG, OAH and JK666 who provided good info as to where to go. Now, you're fucking it up for them. Do you think that they will provide additional information on the next great place when people on the board, such as the lurkers here, come in and fuck it up?
Bill[/QUOTE]
Couldn't have said better myself, Bill.
To those of you who only drop in once in a blue moon, an extra 100 rmb here and there will not amount to much (to your pocket). You pay the little bit extra and then you go home.
But for those of us who live and play here permanently, it adds up. After a while, the locals realize that 100 rmb is not as little as it first seemed. In the US, 150 rmb gets you a meal, here you can fuck a girl for that amount.
So if punters who read this board want to go ahead and overtip/overpay, there's nothing the locals can do to stop you, but they are already getting pissed off and are less keen to post reports divulging new info. Which means, that in the end, it is the newbies that get hurt financially, because without new, accurate info you are sure to pay more at some point.
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]The Hui Mei mommys all try to get 100 RMB from me too. I cannot remember how many girls I have taken from the hotel on the left side of the alley, but every time the mommy asks for 100 + 100; only to quickly agree to 50 RMB after I refuse.[/QUOTE]
Yup, the Hui Mei mommies try to get 200 rmb out of me too. I don't get a girl behind the Hui Mei very often, so the mommies don't recognize me. If I am alone, or in company with no laowais, it usually only takes 1 or 2 verbal refusals to bring the price down to 150. With laowais in the group, it's much harder, and often the mommies only agree after you threaten to walk away.
[QUOTE=Szexpat]
My thoughts on how the swinging dicks spoil the market:
-John see girl he likes
-Mommy see's laowai (or non regular)
-Mommy quotes him 300 rmb
-John rationalizes by thinking 300 rmb is only $35 USD (insert your own currency here) to fuck an 18 year old Chinese cutie
-John considers he could NEVER score with such a honey back home because he is (insert any excuse here old/ugly/fat/married, etc.)
-John can't speak putonghua or has no idea that bartering is a hobby of Chinese people so he simply agrees.
-John busts a nut (either via good or bad service), but feels obligated to give the girl some sugar money because he (insert excuse: really likes her, felt guilty, felt ashamed, showing off, felt there was some real bonding, trying to score an 18 yo gf, needed to thin his fat wallet, help those poor/needy girls in China).
-Girl goes back to shop to tell all her friends about the big spender
-Girls in shop now want laowai (non reg) because they want the fat tips
-After sometime of this, mommy decides she wants a bigger piece of the pie so increases the downpayment for the pussy.
-Regulars go to get a shot only to be told of price increase, then come to ISG and complain about it and tell others don't spoil the market for everyone.
-John, once again rationalizes via excuses:
1. I am only one guy, I can't spoil the market
2. It's my money and I can do what I want with it
3. I have a serious personality disorder and need to feel wanted and appreciated
4. Fuck those guys on ISG, I never was a team player and never will be
5. Mind your own damn business
6. Insert any other insult, excuse, selfish response.
-SZE[/QUOTE]I am unsure if there is such a thing as being a team player of ISG, but most of your points are very well taken. I also think that OWL was posting his experiences and thoughts and most just jumped on him. Really, when it comes down to it, it's HIS money and point #2 above is simply too strong of a reason to turn back.
Let me give you some points that might be reasonable for the same John that wasn't discussed.
1. John is drunk and/or tired and doesn't feel like haggling over a few dollars/euros. They always convert RMB to their local currency. Don't ask me why people do this as I still don't have a clue of it. They are in China now, they should play by China rules, but their brains keep using today's exchange rates.
2. John wants sex and already has a hard enough time with his huge Lao Wai dick that makes him compelled to pay more to even get serviced. John has been turned away enough times by the mamasan's as many girls don't want to service him. It's hard to get the true market when the only girl willing to service him wants double and will not budge on the price.
3. John doesn't see any TEAM around him. He is there alone and forgets that his actions *will* change the market.
4. John took economics 101 and understands *all* markets reach equilibrium at some point if given proper exposure so whatever will occur is inevitable. Especially with the Olympics coming to China. Hopefully, these places are all cleaned up during the time of the Olympics so that when they come back open for business, prices will be in the same ballpark.
5. John is new to the game and feels he did haggle to get the price down from 500RMB ST to 400RMB. And gives himself a pat on the back for his efforts.
*ISG gives exposure to the working girls and their environments, there are countless lurkers that never post that use this information and quietly move prices up. So, please don't all jump on OWL as he does contribute and helps us discuss issues such as this one.
#2 point is the biggest weakness that I see. What do you think?
I rate your entire original post as a POD - spot on.
[QUOTE=Szexpat]-John, once again rationalizes via excuses:
1. I am only one guy, I can't spoil the market
2. It's my money and I can do what I want with it
3. I have a serious personality disorder and need to feel wanted and appreciated
4. Fuck those guys on ISG, I never was a team player and never will be
5. Mind your own damn business
6. Insert any other insult, excuse, selfish response.
The only ones who really have a legit excuse are the guys who have never heard of ISG...can this be true?[/QUOTE]Not really - there are countless mongering boards out there for every location in the world.
Mongers know what others are doing and what they are paying.
Every time I hear one of those 6 reponses I get more worked up each time
(and I have a range of abusive verbal retorts which I have used in the past).
6... actually I better make that 4.
#3 is hilarious, and
#4 is N/A as I don't know anyone on ISG.
[quote=round two] ...so, please don't all jump on owl as he does contribute and helps us discuss issues such as this one.[/quote]
have you read his posts? if i were a noob and saw his post stating that he gave a ktv girl 800rmb because she stayed until noon, i might very well do exactly that if some girl stayed with me until then. i've been to enough ktv and i know exactly what to do, but what about the noob? he'll just fork it over not knowing any better. if owl came out saying he liked the girl, she made him really happy, and that he wanted to give her the money, or even that he didn't know any better. that would have been cool. instead he offers this really bad rationalization/excuse which can easily mislead someone who doesn't know any better.
did you read when he posted that if you get confronted by 4 guys you should pick up a pipe (as if a pipe is just gonna happen to be laying around) or kick them in the nuts. doing something like that is either gonna get you a serious beat down or dead. yes bruce lee can take on 4 guys at once, but he can also knock down a guy with a 1 inch punch. until you can do that, just give the guys what they want. don't think they're afraid to tangle with a laowai because of heat from the authorities, that's just not true. what do you think is the more likely scenario if they accidentally beat you to death? they report it to the authorities and get sent to the firing squad, or they make your body disappear. basically, owl dispenses really bad advice and he has to be called out on it if he does.
what's really funny though, is he comes in and says i over tipped a girl for giving her an extra 100rmb. he tells me i should have negotiated for a 2nd round. he just assumed it was a 200rmb hooker when in reality it was a girl from a high end ktv. a little later though, he's back with his redundant explanation about how tipping the ktv girl 800rmb was ok because she stayed with him til noon. that's just hypocrisy in motion and lame excuses because that's not how ktv works. he obviously enjoys playing the big spender and he's obviously got some richard gere "pretty woman" thing going on in him. that's all fine, but he really shouldn't be criticizing other peeps and telling them what to do if he really doesn't have a clue.
the guy comes to china a few times and he thinks he's all that and knows it all and posts in a tone where it comes off like he's some smack-fu master. that's just not the case. i'm sure the regulars are fully aware he's barely more knowledgeable than a noob. the regs though, don't want the noobs thinking his posts are good advice.
I was trying to feel her up, grabbing her legs etc...but she resisted. At that time, I was not even sure if she would go to bed with me. We did have a lot of fun kidding around with her for 2 hours. She was even trying to teach me some simple Chinese...My friend thought they were all pros working in massage places in hotels.
Her grand mother came from the same region as my friend. They spoke the same language. She was telling us about the hardships of ethnic people in China. So the relationship became more personal than commercial. My friend wanted to visit her grand mother to see how they have been doing relative to the average Chinese.
She was very attractive in nice, clean ways. If I had known I could take her out, I would have bought her out. 45 RMB per hour is a very good deal. I admit that it was a big tip, but I had no small change. Besides I wanted this girl so bad, partly due to her tall, lanky, sexy figure, which was rare even among KTV girls, partly because of the hardships that her family went through being ethnic minority in that region...
There are all different kinds of people in forums like these. A few have shown they can only see life in terms of money, money, money...
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]OWL,
A big spender like you should know that you can buy the foot massage girls out by just paying the house for the time.
OAH[/QUOTE]
Some of these fucking guys really [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off! That's why I have not posted recently.
Met a newbie and took him to one of my favourite shops. Told him not to pay more than 100 to mommie and 100 to the girl. I lectured him about not spoiling the market. 2 hours later, at dinner, this guy says "I gave the girl 150". He later called me on the phone asking for more info, and I told him to get lost.
Bill and I recently discovered some new cheap shops and a sauna. I'm not saying where. I will now only tell those I can trust.
OWL. You payed the ktv girl how much? 1500rmb + a tip of 800rmb? Because she stayed until noon instead of 8 am? What kind of fucking bullshit is that? Either you are stupid, you are lying, or you just don't give a rat's arse. Now be honest, which is it? And I remember you also paid 500rmb for ST to a streetwalker in Zhuhai after Bill told you it is only 200. What do you want us to do, admire your generosity?
...and friendly. That's just their nature.
I was doing jungle trekking with a bunch of Australians and Europeans. We passed by a remote village in the middle of the jungle. There was a bunch of kids line up on the road, chanting and laughing '...Hello ... America...' That pissed off the Australians and the Europeans. Well, the tour recommends against giving out candy and gifts for fear of spoiling the expectations and attitudes of these children, but it looked like some Americans just could not help themselves at spoiling these kids...
In that sense, I agree that big tips are bad ways to deal with anyone, including the girls, the hotel staff etc... Meaningful gifts are better than throwing money around, but who the hell have time to shop for gifts on the road??
In the case of the Walter foot massage girl, I gave her 50 RMB tip because I had no small change. It was less than US$7 but I was surprised that she was so shocked by it. In the final analysis, she was just playing us, because she had my friend's mobile and she never called him back in the next couple days. I would love to fuck her all night. She was that attractive.
I gave an honest experience so the newbies understand that 50RMB was a big amount to local people. So they should use discretion how much tip to give. I am certainly a lot more careful after that. I just got unfairly attacked by these rude guys. If the rude guys keep attacking people, pretty soon this forum would be all the same rude guys, talking the same bull shit, with no tolerance for any good, honest info or any differences in opinions.
The more you beat up the newbies for their natural generosity, the worse you look. You should explain to them that the girls only see them as money sources, not sources for romantic relationships. Big tips would not buy more affection or respect, but only make the girls think of them as fools. But you have to admit it's very nice to feel you can buy some romance in addition to the physical sex. There are those who just want physical sex, as cheap as possible. There are others who may want more romantic feelings with sex. Just accept that different people want different things and are willing to pay different rates.
BTW, I told all the BBS girls in CP about my close friend Santa, who is a very nice guy and extremely wealthy and generous. You can expect these girls to expect big tips from you from now on. Also expect them to grab you by your hairy balls until you cough out the big tips...
[QUOTE=Santa]Some of these fucking guys really [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off! That's why I have not posted recently.
Bill and I recently discovered some new cheap shops and a sauna. I'm not saying where. I will now only tell those I can trust.
OWL. You payed the ktv girl how much? 1500rmb + a tip of 800rmb? Because she stayed until noon instead of 8 am? What kind of fucking bullshit is that? Either you are stupid, you are lying, or you just don't give a rat's arse. Now be honest, which is it? And I remember you also paid 500rmb for ST to a streetwalker in Zhuhai after Bill told you it is only 200. What do you want us to do, admire your generosity?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]
The more you beat up the newbies for their natural generosity, the worse you look. You should explain to them that the girls only see them as money sources, not sources for romantic relationships. Big tips would not buy more affection or respect, but only make the girls think of them as fools. But you have to admit it's very nice to feel you can buy some romance in addition to the physical sex. There are those who just want physical sex, as cheap as possible. There are others who may want more romantic feelings with sex. Just accept that different people want different things and are willing to pay different rates.
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This statement is self contradictory and wrong in sooooooooooo many ways I don't know where to start.... but I'll try.
First of all, since the rest of us pay the girls AFTERWARDS, how the hell is she even supposed to know you're trying to buy some "romance" or as the rest of us call it, GFE. Do you tell her before the deed you're going to give her $XXX extra if she's extra friendly??? Do you tell her that you'll give her an extra 10RMB for each cuddle and an extra 20RMB for each time she fake moans? Please let us know how it is exactly you get around to letting the girl know you're interested in buying some extra GFE. I'm sure there are members here who would like to know.
Second, if the girls think you're nothing but a fool for giving extra money, why on earth would she have romantic feelings towards you? Do you know many girls who get romantic feelings when they see a fool? I sure as hell don't. Why do you think hookers are any different? If anything, their "sucker" radar will go off and they'll try to take you for whatever they can.
As for paying different rates, that's nonsense. Lets say you're really thirsty. Do you go to the 7-11 and offer to pay the cashier more for the bottled water because you're extra thirsty?? Do you offer to pay more if he smiles really nice at you or puts it in the plastic bag just the way you like it?? I bet you don't. Everybody pays the same for the same bottle of water. Why do you think hookers are any different? After you gave that girl 500RMB, half an hour later she was back hustling the streets willing to take on all comers for $200RMB. What did you gain? Did you extra service from her? Of course not since most likely, you paid her right before she left. Did you get any extra "romance" for the 300RMB? Again doubtful since she's on her way out when you give her the money. Did the next guy who only gave her 200RMB get worst service?? Very doubtful and I'm almost willing to bet he got the exact same level of service for his 200RMB. Was the girl any less romantic with the next guy? Again doubtful since SOP is to pay AFTER the session. Hell, she might have even been more GFE with her next customer if he spoke some reasonable Mandarin.
Listen, if you want to tip the girls exorbitant amounts because it makes you feel better about yourself, then go right ahead. If you want to give them extra money for a job well done, again, go right ahead. If you want to give them the last 800RMB in your pocket because you like to only carry money in thousand RMB increments, again go ahead. Please don't try to rationalize it though, by saying nonsense like you're buying "romance" for the extra money because that's just crap.
Once again, you're misleading other noobies. They're gonna read you're post and think it's possible to buy extra GFE for a tip when that's just NOT the case. GFE is all about you and all about the girl. If you click, you'll get it. If you don't, she'll be a living breathing fuck doll.
[QUOTE=Santa]Some of these fucking guys really [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off! That's why I have not posted recently.
Met a newbie and took him to one of my favourite shops. Told him not to pay more than 100 to mommie and 100 to the girl. I lectured him about not spoiling the market. 2 hours later, at dinner, this guy says "I gave the girl 150". He later called me on the phone asking for more info, and I told him to get lost.
Bill and I recently discovered some new cheap shops and a sauna. I'm not saying where. I will now only tell those I can trust.
OWL. You payed the ktv girl how much? 1500rmb + a tip of 800rmb? Because she stayed until noon instead of 8 am? What kind of fucking bullshit is that? Either you are stupid, you are lying, or you just don't give a rat's arse. Now be honest, which is it? And I remember you also paid 500rmb for ST to a streetwalker in Zhuhai after Bill told you it is only 200. What do you want us to do, admire your generosity?[/QUOTE]
Santa, my friend Jeff is coming to CP on June 14 or so. He is an ABC and will
not overpay. He will contact Bill Lee after arrival. He would love to go the cheap shops and sauna.
Guys I am going to be in CP around June 27-28th any other Horny dogs want to meet up please PM. I will reply immediately. I am wondering why DG forum is so much full of shit about pricing, just fuck them & pay 125-150 & no more.Thats my 2 cents. Is CP going downhill as per Fast Eddie.
Go Joe
[QUOTE=Moody]The guy comes to China a few times and he thinks he's all that and knows it all and posts in a tone where it comes off like he's some smack-fu master. That's just not the case. I'm sure the regulars are fully aware he's barely more knowledgeable than a noob. The regs though, don't want the noobs thinking his posts are good advice.[/QUOTE]I was not saying that he posted good advice. I just thought that his posts presented us with issues that need to be resolved so that other people reading the forums for the first time don't make such mistakes. Rather than making harsh comments toward him, I thought it might have been better to show him where he could have been wrong with his personal decisions. Again, I hope OWL is just as generous when he gets his car washed, oil changed, carpets cleaned.
Been Going down hill for the past 2 years now..........how depressing
[QUOTE=Transporter]Been Going down hill for the past 2 years now..........how depressing[/QUOTE]
What part of Guangdong is better? I certainly have enjoyed CP in my 3 trips there and can not wait to go again.
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]I was trying to feel her up, grabbing her legs etc...but she resisted. At that time, I was not even sure if she would go to bed with me. We did have a lot of fun kidding around with her for 2 hours. She was even trying to teach me some simple Chinese...My friend thought they were all pros working in massage places in hotels.
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OWL,
Just to set the record straight, there is no guarantee with the foot massage girls. More often than not, you will end up with blue balls if you take them out. Contrary to your friend's perception, they are not all pros.
Just my POV.
OAH
All these price structure really depends on the time take out
LT at Yalan can be as cheap as $400-$450 after 11pm
DU96
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]The low end as we know it for ST, the Catacomb for 30RMB. The Yalan for 200, the night market for 150 and the Hui Mei alley for 150. There's also the KTV but I don't know what they are since I haven't done one over 5 years. But you search on the board, you're find out.
LT at Yalan and alley is 500.
That's the pricing structure I know of.
Bill[/QUOTE]
Wow, I cannot even begin to comprehend one particular post I read this morning, what drivel! Seems certain people cannot accept that they fucked up and try to justify themselves by writting this (insert any type of animal here)shit. It's probably better to just let it go and put it to rest, rather than making yourself look more foolish.
-SZE
BTW: I am a white assed American and am usually unfriendly and greedy. Do not stereotype me by saying I am friendly and generous, I have worked hard to become an asshole and am damn proud of it...
[QUOTE=WaikikiBob]What part of Guangdong is better? I certainly have enjoyed CP in my 3 trips there and can not wait to go again.[/QUOTE]
CP is still the place to be for the best and largest selection of pussy. You need to hurry though before the "Swinging Dicks with Deep Pockets" ruins it.
[QUOTE=Downunder96]All these price structure really depends on the time take out
LT at Yalan can be as cheap as $400-$450 after 11pm.
DU96[/QUOTE]To downunder 96
I don't think you will get anything good at yalan area after 11pm for just a 50 rmb discount just not justified , hui mei alley bbs I was offer all nighter for 350 and 150 for ST last month but I pass quality is not that good it was on a slow monday night around midnight, I have got LT in this area last yr for 300 rmb before just need know to bargin .
Fast eddie 48
[QUOTE=Go Joe]Guys I am going to be in CP around June 27-28th any other Horny dogs want to meet up please PM. I will reply immediately. I am wondering why DG forum is so much full of shit about pricing, just fuck them & pay 125-150 & no more.Thats my 2 cents. Is CP going downhill as per Fast Eddie.
Go Joe[/QUOTE] To go joe
I know that I told you today on the phone CP is going down hill the last yr but most of you have not been there during the great time back around 1998 to 2001 before SAR but it is still a great mongering place as most area in southern China is also going down hill and don't worry have is some pussy leave for you still in end of June.
Fast eddie 48
[QUOTE=Szexpat]
1. I am only one guy, I can't spoil the market
2. It's my money and I can do what I want with it
3. I have a serious personality disorder and need to feel wanted and appreciated
4. Fuck those guys on ISG, I never was a team player and never will be
5. Mind your own damn business
6. Insert any other insult, excuse, selfish response.
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Gentlemen,
I could not have said it any better myself. For all the above reasons, the prices will eventually go up permanently. It will get to the point, where the girls and mamas will reject our insistance on the lower prices and tell us to, "take it or leave it". It is just a matter of time. It is already at the point where we are getting inferior service for the standard prices in CP.
SZE, I will add a couple more:
7. It is only US$X.XX.
8. It is so much cheaper than back home.
8. I am only here for a few days so it doesn't add up to that much.
As I have said before, it is our (senior contributors) own fault. We shared the intelligence and now we are paying the consequences for this. This is what we get for being nice guys and trying to help.
Just my POV,
OAH
P.S. This reminds me of the price of a bowl of noodles in Thailand. It used to be 10 Baht. As time went on, the amount of noodles got less and less and the price remained the same. Eventually, the price went up and the amount of noodles remained the same. After this they introduced a 2 tier price structure where if you pay more they gave you more noodles. Finally, they discontinued the smaller bowl for the lower price.
[QUOTE=Round Two]I was not saying that he posted good advice. I just thought that his posts presented us with issues that need to be resolved so that other people reading the forums for the first time don't make such mistakes. Rather than making harsh comments toward him, I thought it might have been better to show him where he could have been wrong with his personal decisions. Again, I hope OWL is just as generous when he gets his car washed, oil changed, carpets cleaned.[/QUOTE]
I have no problem with a guy's personal decisions. If he wants to give the girl an extra 800RMB, that's fine. Hell, I have a friend who bought a girl a 7000RMB gift, no joke, and I had no problem with that. He bought it for her because he wanted her to have it. No excuses and no rationalizations. He just said, "I wanted to buy it for her." That's cool, and that's what a real big spender does, spends money for no reason.
What I don't like though, is the way OWL tries to justify his actions. He presents his actions like it's something everybody should do. In a recent post, he referred to all guys who don't tip the foot massage girls as "cheapskates," as if you don't tip them, you're a cheapskate. That's just not the case. Guys who don't tip the foot massage girls are normal. Guys who don't give a KTV girl an extra 800 for hanging around until noon are normal. He keeps saying, "she earned it." NO SHE DIDN'T. It's a gift, not additional compensation required for additional time. That's not the way it works, but he presents it in such a way that this is the appropriate behavior and that if we don't follow suit, we're cheapskates. Such is not the case.
Hey,
I was 99% agree with you , I was kind of stupid when I look back for what I have done ( give a big tips to the hookers) after the service. I am a newbee that I still have a lot to learn about in the chonging world. for what I think is just don't spoild the market even we think it is cheap that is what we look for at the first place. if we don't bother about the monies or we have planty of that just hire some one to look for the stock for you and again don't spoild the market which still have lots of brothers need it.
I think even if you are coming back again , she should give a disscount because now you are a regular and she should be more then happy.
[QUOTE=Moody]This statement is self contradictory and wrong in sooooooooooo many ways I don't know where to start.... but I'll try.
First of all, since the rest of us pay the girls AFTERWARDS, how the hell is she even supposed to know you're trying to buy some "romance" or as the rest of us call it, GFE. Do you tell her before the deed you're going to give her $XXX extra if she's extra friendly??? Do you tell her that you'll give her an extra 10RMB for each cuddle and an extra 20RMB for each time she fake moans? Please let us know how it is exactly you get around to letting the girl know you're interested in buying some extra GFE. I'm sure there are members here who would like to know.
Second, if the girls think you're nothing but a fool for giving extra money, why on earth would she have romantic feelings towards you? Do you know many girls who get romantic feelings when they see a fool? I sure as hell don't. Why do you think hookers are any different? If anything, their "sucker" radar will go off and they'll try to take you for whatever they can.
As for paying different rates, that's nonsense. Lets say you're really thirsty. Do you go to the 7-11 and offer to pay the cashier more for the bottled water because you're extra thirsty?? Do you offer to pay more if he smiles really nice at you or puts it in the plastic bag just the way you like it?? I bet you don't. Everybody pays the same for the same bottle of water. Why do you think hookers are any different? After you gave that girl 500RMB, half an hour later she was back hustling the streets willing to take on all comers for $200RMB. What did you gain? Did you extra service from her? Of course not since most likely, you paid her right before she left. Did you get any extra "romance" for the 300RMB? Again doubtful since she's on her way out when you give her the money. Did the next guy who only gave her 200RMB get worst service?? Very doubtful and I'm almost willing to bet he got the exact same level of service for his 200RMB. Was the girl any less romantic with the next guy? Again doubtful since SOP is to pay AFTER the session. Hell, she might have even been more GFE with her next customer if he spoke some reasonable Mandarin.
Listen, if you want to tip the girls exorbitant amounts because it makes you feel better about yourself, then go right ahead. If you want to give them extra money for a job well done, again, go right ahead. If you want to give them the last 800RMB in your pocket because you like to only carry money in thousand RMB increments, again go ahead. Please don't try to rationalize it though, by saying nonsense like you're buying "romance" for the extra money because that's just crap.
Once again, you're misleading other noobies. They're gonna read you're post and think it's possible to buy extra GFE for a tip when that's just NOT the case. GFE is all about you and all about the girl. If you click, you'll get it. If you don't, she'll be a living breathing fuck doll.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]...and friendly. That's just their nature.
I was doing jungle trekking with a bunch of Australians and Europeans. We passed by a remote village in the middle of the jungle. There was a bunch of kids line up on the road, chanting and laughing '...Hello ... America...' That pissed off the Australians and the Europeans. Well, the tour recommends against giving out candy and gifts for fear of spoiling the expectations and attitudes of these children, but it looked like some Americans just could not help themselves at spoiling these kids...
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OWL. You say "you cannot fault americans for being naturally generous", well I'm sorry to tell you this but you have it all wrong. Americans are famous for bragging and throwing money around, and they are very well known for being big tippers, but when it comes to giving donations to various international charities the americans are, unfortunately, at the bottom of the list.
Bill Gates and Warren Buffett have donated tens of billions of dollars to world aid, but the average american donates far less than the average european.
Most of the US "government aid" is for military purposes.
The reason trekkers are told not to give money or candy to kids is because it encourages begging and does not help resolve financial problems in the villages.
Maybe the europeans and australians were pissed off because they think those "generous americans" were behaving badly. In public they are big tippers and big spenders, but they are very stingy when it comes to resolving global problems.
While we are on this subject, when we give money to beggers, or buy a rose from a 5 year old at 3 am, we are not helping them resolve their problems, it only helps us feel better about ourselves. Our behavior only encourages begging, makes the situation worse, and does absolutely nothing to solve their problems.
[QUOTE=Jhony Walker]Hey,
I was 99% agree with you , I was kind of stupid when I look back for what I have done ( give a big tips to the hookers) after the service. I am a newbee that I still have a lot to learn about in the chonging world. for what I think is just don't spoild the market even we think it is cheap that is what we look for at the first place. if we don't bother about the monies or we have planty of that just hire some one to look for the stock for you and again don't spoild the market which still have lots of brothers need it.
I think even if you are coming back again , she should give a disscount because now you are a regular and she should be more then happy.[/QUOTE]
Jhony,
You're the kind of newbie guys like us like to help. One who readily admits and learns from his mistakes with no lame rationalizing.
BTW, I completely agree with what you say about getting a discount too. Back when I used to get girls for weeks at a time, I always got big discounts. With 150-200RMB ST girls though, getting discounts is pretty tough even if you are a regular unless it's late at night and the girl has no prospects.
Dear Mongers,
I have been staying in DG for close to a year now and has always been browsing the the ISG, I have never mongered in CP before but the place I stayed has quite a few barbershops nearby which I visit once in a while. The girls seems to charge a standard rate of RMB 130 but do not allow takeouts (Probably I went there only during the day time). We went upstairs through the back door to do the deed, cleanup and go. There is no bathrooms to do washup. So is this the same as the BBS in CP? They open in the afternoon late into the night.
There are also a few budget hotels coming up in my area so maybe takeouts are avaliable after all.
If anyone wants try it out, I am happy to let you guys know as this place seems untouch by heavy laowai mongering activities.
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]OWL,
Just to set the record straight, there is no guarantee with the foot massage girls. More often than not, you will end up with blue balls if you take them out. Contrary to your friend's perception, they are not all pros.
Just my POV.
OAH[/QUOTE]
Freebie situation: Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. There is no full proof. As long as you remember and use all the possible methods in the mongering book, at the right time and with the right girl, you will have better success rate. But never use only one, Example: Money or Good looks or.....
Pros: Most of the time you win. But never be an asshole and over pay. By doing so, you will face the consequences of been stoned to death by ISG members.
Foot Massage girls, (Sorry OAH I must disagree with you on this) [B]None[/B] of them are Pros, if they are, why on earth do you think they want to be stuck with washing smelly feet, waiting for the right chance to sell their pussy? Pros make the money by sitting around look pretty to seduce man like us! Foot Massage girls whom you slept with, wants something more from you. Maybe a chance for a way out for them, maybe a future rich husband …. Come on guys… you are not a newbie in this game!!!
Enjoy!
AG
[QUOTE=WaikikiBob]What part of Guangdong is better? I certainly have enjoyed CP in my 3 trips there and can not wait to go again.[/QUOTE]
It would depend what you are looking for.
Each city (and their are many) has its own good points and bad points.
Keep in mind that you can drive in any direction, and within 20 minutes be in another city.
[QUOTE=Transporter]It would depend what you are looking for.
Each city (and their are many) has its own good points and bad points.
Keep in mind that you can drive in any direction, and within 20 minutes be in another city.[/QUOTE]
You are right. Besides, it is fun to do the "Hunt" when you drive into another city new to you.
Enjoy!
AG
Kockanadoo,
What you describe is a typical BBS experience. The difference in CP is most of the shops posted about are take-out only. There are no spinning poles or beauty salon equipment inside. No onsite accomodation is provided, but most of the mamas can arrange a ST room in a hotel nearby.
OAH
[QUOTE=Kockanadoo]Dear Mongers,
I have been staying in DG for close to a year now and has always been browsing the the ISG, I have never mongered in CP before but the place I stayed has quite a few barbershops nearby which I visit once in a while. The girls seems to charge a standard rate of RMB 130 but do not allow takeouts (Probably I went there only during the day time). We went upstairs through the back door to do the deed, cleanup and go. There is no bathrooms to do washup. So is this the same as the BBS in CP? They open in the afternoon late into the night.
There are also a few budget hotels coming up in my area so maybe takeouts are avaliable after all.
If anyone wants try it out, I am happy to let you guys know as this place seems untouch by heavy laowai mongering activities.[/QUOTE]
AG,
You are correct. The majority of them are not pros, however, some of them will go out for money in exchange for sex even on the first time. What do you call this? Semi-pro?
OAH
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Freebie situation: Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. There is no full proof. As long as you remember and use all the possible methods in the mongering book, at the right time and with the right girl, you will have better success rate. But never use only one, Example: Money or Good looks or.....
Pros: Most of the time you win. But never be an asshole and over pay. By doing so, you will face the consequences of been stoned to death by ISG members.
Foot Massage girls, (Sorry OAH I must disagree with you on this) [B]None[/B] of them are Pros, if they are, why on earth do you think they want to be stuck with washing smelly feet, waiting for the right chance to sell their pussy? Pros make the money by sitting around look pretty to seduce man like us! Foot Massage girls whom you slept with, wants something more from you. Maybe a chance for a way out for them, maybe a future rich husband …. Come on guys… you are not a newbie in this game!!!
Enjoy!
AG[/QUOTE]
We figured out what you are pretty quick.
[QUOTE=Szexpat]
BTW: I am a white assed American and am usually unfriendly and greedy. Do not stereotype me by saying I am friendly and generous, I have worked hard to become an asshole and am damn proud of it...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]AG,
You are correct. The majority of them are not pros, however, some of them will go out for money in exchange for sex even on the first time. What do you call this? Semi-pro?
OAH[/QUOTE]
I would call them Deperado .... Deperate for Money? They next evolution will be freebie whom will slowly turn into big time paybies (gold diggers).
Enjoy!
AG
was an earnest person.
She was working hard on my muscles every second of the 2 hours I was there. She did not waste even a second. So I figured she was not easy to buy. That was part of the attraction.
Most massage girls are probably not good looking enough to make it selling sex, so they have to sell massage. But if someone makes offers, they are likely to take it.
We were only trying to find out how these girls and their families were getting along with their hard jobs. We did not have to have sex with them. We could always buy sex from other girls. We were doing a little social research project, so to say.
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]AG,
You are correct. The majority of them are not pros, however, some of them will go out for money in exchange for sex even on the first time. What do you call this? Semi-pro?
OAH[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]We figured out what you are pretty quick.[/QUOTE]
I'm not advertising, I'm bragging. Maybe we can meet up in CP sometime and you can show me how a real Playboy operates!
SZE, Playboy Padawan
[QUOTE=Kockanadoo]Dear Mongers,
I have been staying in DG for close to a year now and has always been browsing the the ISG, I have never mongered in CP before but the place I stayed has quite a few barbershops nearby which I visit once in a while. The girls seems to charge a standard rate of RMB 130 but do not allow takeouts (Probably I went there only during the day time). We went upstairs through the back door to do the deed, cleanup and go. There is no bathrooms to do washup. So is this the same as the BBS in CP? They open in the afternoon late into the night.
There are also a few budget hotels coming up in my area so maybe takeouts are avaliable after all.
If anyone wants try it out, I am happy to let you guys know as this place seems untouch by heavy laowai mongering activities.[/QUOTE]To kocakanado,
You been in DONGGUAN for a yr and never been to Changping , what wrong with you and which part of DG are you at , you are missing the best place to play in the whole DG. like OAH said most action here are brothol with girl for take out to your hotel and many ktv and sauna actions also not a bbs town at all , if you like bbs actions there are Hengli , huangjiang and changan near by with bbs actions for 100 rmb .
Fast eddie 48
Anybody want to hangout in Changping I'm here solo.
First of many postings I am sure
This little hottie found in one of the alley shops behind Hui Mei was hot in looks. Had this Tina Turner Nappy Ho hair.
Brought her back to hotel and she started touching everything in sight (except Bill). But then again, who can blame her. Only Bill would touch Bill back home.
No participation what so ever in the fuck part. Oh, her hole was there.
Avoid this one guys.
Bill
How you guys feel if I took her back with a surprise CIM?
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]First of many postings I am sure
This little hottie found in one of the alley shops behind Hui Mei was hot in looks. Had this Tina Turner Nappy Ho hair.
Brought her back to hotel and start touching everything in sight (except Bill).
No participation what so ever in the fuck part. Oh, her hole was there.
Avoid this one guys.
Bill
How you guys feel if I took her back with a surprise CIM?[/QUOTE]To Bill Lee,
Hey bill I hope that you get a discount for doing all the dirty work , you should know most pretty one have either bad attuide or lazy.
Fast eddie 48
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]I would call them Deperado .... Deperate for Money? They next evolution will be freebie whom will slowly turn into big time paybies (gold diggers).
Enjoy!
AG[/QUOTE]
A few years ago in Dameisha, I used to get massage a lot in my room. Charge was 95RMB. Since I never had exact change, I would always end up giving 100RMB. Oddly, the girls would always have 5RMB and give me change back. I guess their manager sends them out that way. Anyway, I used to request this one really cute girl all the time. Back then, I couldn't speak any Chinese and had to get by with one of those electronic translating gadgets. Anyway, around the 10th time or so, she starts getting a LOT more friendly than before. It eventually lead to a little action for a few days. There's something to be said about sex with a massage girl, and that something is that it's very good.
Moral of the story, if the girl's not a hooker, why would you want to pay them? It's bad for both sides. If you offer money, it tells her you think she's a hooker, and if she's not, she will be deeply insulted. If she accepts the money, she acknowledges that she's a hooker, and she'll most likely feel ashamed. Nothing good can happen.
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You been in DONGGUAN for a yr and never been to Changping , what wrong with you and which part of DG are you at , you are missing the best place to play in the whole DG. like OAH said most action here are brothol with girl for take out to your hotel and many ktv and sauna actions also not a bbs town at all , if you like bbs actions there are Hengli , huangjiang and changan near by with bbs actions for 100 rmb .
Fast eddie 48
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On the contrary, my job brings me to Hengli very often an it is close to Changping. I stayed at DG City and I am more of a KTV person. I like GFE alot and mongering is how many girls a person scores and the dollars and cents.
Just my POV.
Also to put it bluntly, I prefer to spend my money on my GF to get real GFE. I am a poor and stingy bastard in this sense.
I go to BBS once in a while when my brains are flooded by sperms and I need to get it out of my systems badly.
Also thanks to OAH on the BBS clarification.
Rgds,
Kock
Spent last night in CP for another famous monger "convention", first off was a footie at the Walter Hotel, 42 rmb per person for one hour, always good place. Then, it was off for dinner which was great to see the familiars as well as some new guys I've never met to include: The King OAH, Santa, Bill Lee, Wadman, Weelock, Sukimvetter, Gentilman Jim and a friendly lurker whom I hope starts posting as he has valuable info and experience.
After dinner, it was time for the tour! I think we hit every joint in town except for the Swan KTV. Though there was quite a lot of girls in most of the shops, I passed on all. Final stop for 4 of us was the "Pie Wagon" that patrols in front of the Lucky Hotel. I was considering a new one, but opted for a repeater I know that gives great GFE service.
Name: Lisa
Age: 19
Home: Chengdu
Looks: 6
Skills: 7 she has gotten better in 2 months since the last time I was with her.
Extras: Speaks Fair English
No photos this time as I forgot my camera, but her old photo is in the photo section.
After the mattress rodeo, it was time for some beers and clams with my buddy Santa at the little snack shops behind the Lucky.
I will probably be back to CP next Tuesday.
-SZE
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Yes, I know, another topic about price.
While out in CP the other night we were doing a tour, and all the shops in the Yalan area quote a price of 200 rmb (100/100) while all the girls in town behind the Hui Mei and Mobile BBS's charge 150 rmb (50/100).
I have been to CP countless times and I don't really see a difference in quality of girls, plus we have to pay 30 rmb for the taxi to and from that area and your only talking spending an hour or less with the girl.
I was going to pull a girl from Baby's shop, but she would not go for 150, so I just left her there. I only wanted ST and did not see the reason to pay the extra 50+Taxi. Another member stated this is SOP, but why?
You can walk to the Hui Mei or stand on the street and wait for the pie wagon and pay just 150, no taxi either. So why do we accept 200 in the Yalan area?
We all know the quality of service is not really based on the shop(I dislike Jojo's girls overall which is in Yalan) but rather the girl, so you can pay an extra 50+Taxi for shit service or great service, as well as you can pay 150 for the same experience in town.
Maybe others has comments about this?
-SZE
To SZE,
All the mommie in yalan area work together and set the price at 200 rmb st even the Hk regular paid this price only discount LT depend on the girls, on Saturday even Hui Mei area mommie want 200 st for the best girl but during the weekday when is slow they will bargin but in Yalan area no bargin at all.
Fast eddie 48
[QUOTE=Szexpat]Yes, I know, another topic about price.
While out in CP the other night we were doing a tour, and all the shops in the Yalan area quote a price of 200 rmb (100/100) while all the girls in town behind the Hui Mei and Mobile BBS's charge 150 rmb (50/100).
I have been to CP countless times and I don't really see a difference in quality of girls, plus we have to pay 30 rmb for the taxi to and from that area and your only talking spending an hour or less with the girl.
I was going to pull a girl from Baby's shop, but she would not go for 150, so I just left her there. I only wanted ST and did not see the reason to pay the extra 50+Taxi. Another member stated this is SOP, but why?
You can walk to the Hui Mei or stand on the street and wait for the pie wagon and pay just 150, no taxi either. So why do we accept 200 in the Yalan area?
We all know the quality of service is not really based on the shop(I dislike Jojo's girls overall which is in Yalan) but rather the girl, so you can pay an extra 50+Taxi for shit service or great service, as well as you can pay 150 for the same experience in town.
Maybe others has comments about this?
-SZE[/QUOTE]
I suspect that the local guys and some hard-bargaining Hongkies may get 150 rmb at the Yalan. But the rate for laowais, and those that associate with laowais has been set at 200 rmb, and it is next to impossible to get the mommies to agree to 150.
For me, I still prefer the Yalan at 200 rmb. If looks are your main criteria, then there really isn't a difference. But I find that the Hui Mei alley girls act a little too pro, the Yalan girls have a better attitude and provide better service. This is generally speaking of course, BBS is always hit and miss.
I have only done about half a dozen Hui Mei alley girls, but have not yet gotten a "fantastic" experience there. With my favourite shop/mommy at Yalan, I figure my chances are 1/3=soso 1/3=good 1/3=fantastic.
"Where can you get such classy girls for this kind of price?"
Bill
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]"Where can you get such classy girls for this kind of price?"
Bill[/QUOTE]
But you gotta love them.
Have you noticed:
- The way they can trash your bathroom in under 5 mins?
- They can run through a box of Kleenex, just giving a 5 min blowjob!
- Use the pay goodies in the bathroom, without asking (i.e. Female Hygine Wash), but forget what a damn toothbrush is, which is free!
- Hack and spit as good or better than any man!
- Fuck up the shop in which they work with chicken bones, sunflower seeds and cigarette butts!
I love the girls in CP just because they are young, naughty, little materialistic things.
-SZE
I was at the miraton, they do get into everything, then I moved to lucky and put everything in a bag, including some 30y of condoms. Then put it back in the bathroom in the morning. Girls nearer lucky seem more hard core then near hue mei. I also met some nice girls at yalan. My room at lucky is rather dark etc. But there is a lot more mama's around lucky. But I like the vew from my room plus the atmosphere of miraton. The internet cafe across from the virgin lost the censor now so I can get see isg. A mama brount in 2 cute girls to this internet cafe last night, was rather embarassing but had a great time with them later.