West China - Kunming

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I recently visited Kunming for the second time this year. I love the golf at Spring City (about an hour outside of town), but I especially love the girls in the small town near the golf resort.

Spring City is set on the hillside overlooking the Ming Lake (Ming Hu). As soon as we checked into the hotel, we immediately grabbed a taxi and went to the very small town about five minutes down the hill. We went to the Ming Hu Hotel in the center of town and went to the KTV upstairs. The manager there is a guy named Ding. He brought in the girls for us in the usual lineup routine. The problem is that there were only three of us choosing girls, but there were about 15 or more I wanted to take away with me! They really were fantastic! Anyway, we chose our girls and off we went for a wonderful night of fun at the hotel. The next morning, after golf, these girls went with us to visit the Stone Forest. We had a great time wandering around the area and taking pictures.

I decided I wanted to try out a new girl for that night, so I told my girl it was time for her to head back home. Then, I called Mr. Ding and described one of the other girls I'd seen the night before in the lineup. He arranged for her to meet us at a nearby restaurant a couple of hours later. Man, did I hit the jackpot. I've hooked up with a lot girls all over the world for quite a few years, but I have never, ever seen a girl with a more perfect body than this one. She was truly unbelievable. And, she was fun to hang out with, too. We didn't get much sleep that night, because she really enjoys her work! What a wonderful experience. I can't wait to get back to Kunming. Or, I may just go straight to SzChuan to visit the "perfect" girl if she returns home soon; can't get her out of my mind!

By the way, prices are about the same as in other southern China cities: about 800-1000 for overnight. The difference is that the girls in Spring City really enjoy spending time with you outside the bedroom, too. So, if you're looking for a great GFE, this is the place for you.

I stayed in Kunming for 8 days. August 23 to September 1st, 2003.

A couple observations:

1) Kunming doesn¡¯t have very many extremely beautiful chicks.

2) Within the city, (the large area between the North Station and Kunming station (AKA south station)), doesn¡¯t have a very developed sex industry.

I only know one location where you can find reasonably priced paid sex (100 to 150Y). After 11pm, go to the intersection of Beijing Road and the road coming out of Kunming Station. It¡¯s in a bad area! I was warned not to go out at night here. I went there 3 nights on my way to the cheap 20Y hotel I stayed at. Every night, I had people practically pulling me out of my taxi trying to convince me to try out their girls. I¡¯d step out of my taxi and literally had representatives from 4 or 5 different hotels following me down the road asking me to come over and try. And prices of 100 to 150 for sex. Not bad, so I checked out the girls at one of the places. Average. But the price is good, so if you¡¯re bored and know some kind of self-defense, try it out.

I agree that the area behind the south station seems to be the only wild area of certain scale in Kunming, however I would not recommend it. It is good for Chinese peasants coming to town. Not for us. The girls in the red lit barbershops are not beautuful and good only for the quick (I mean 5 minutes) fuck of their usual customers. As for the girls you are offered in the little hotels, they are shy and ashame new country girls, never heard of a BJ, without any experience at all. You would no feel well in those dirty rooms with no facility at all, with girls closing their eyes not to see what is happening to her. I was offered 2 18 years old girls for 100 Y each, I am sure I could have negociated about 150 Y for both, but I didn't even feel to it. Plus I was not too sure if it was a trap or not, and if a fake cop was going to turn up, or the pimp asking for triple the fee when I leave.

I recently visited Kunming for the second time this year. I love the golf at Spring City (about an hour outside of town), but I especially love the girls in the small town near the golf resort.

Spring City is set on the hillside overlooking the Ming Lake (Ming Hu). As soon as we checked into the hotel, we immediately grabbed a taxi and went to the very small town about five minutes down the hill. We went to the Ming Hu Hotel in the center of town and went to the KTV upstairs. The manager there is a guy named Ding. He brought in the girls for us in the usual lineup routine. The problem is that there were only three of us choosing girls, but there were about 15 or more I wanted to take away with me! They really were fantastic! Anyway, we chose our girls and off we went for a wonderful night o! f fun at the hotel. The next morning, after golf, these girls went with us to visit the Stone Forest. We had a great time wandering around the area and taking pictures.

I decided I wanted to try out a new girl for that night, so I told my girl it was time for her to head back home. Then, I called Mr. Ding and described one of the other girls I'd seen the night before in the lineup. He arranged for her to meet us at a nearby restaurant a couple of hours later. Man, did I hit the jackpot. I've hooked up with a lot girls all over the world for quite a few years, but I have never, ever seen a girl with a more perfect body than this one. She was truly unbelievable. And, she was fun to hang out with, too. We didn't get much sleep that night, because she really enjoys her ! work! What a wonderful experience. I can't wait to get back to Kunming. Or, I may just go straight to SzChuan to visit the "perfect" girl if she returns home soon; can't get her out of my mind!

By the way, prices are about the same as in other southern China cities: about 800-1000 for overnight. The difference is that the girls in Spring City really enjoy spending time with you outside the bedroom, too. So, if you're looking for a great GFE, this is the place for you.

By email,
Thanks for the report, I did not know that place. I am sure you made the right choice if it was a Sichanese girl. The only thing is I believe you were over charged, as half of what you say should be the maximum to pay in all south China, especially in little towns. I am sure half of the amount went in owner's pocket, and if you contact the girl directly by phone next time she will do it for 300 Y.

Reporting on Wenshan, est of Yunnan province.
This is a very cool place. Every, and I mean every hotel, big or small, have its own massage parlor, usually on the upper floor. They don't advertise it outside, but if you ask reception or look at the discreet sigh in the staircase, you find it. Average 150 Y to 200 for Chinese girls, 100 for Viets. Besides, hotel are all very cheap. From 50 Y to 200 Y. I had a nice and clean room at Lanhua hotel for 80 Y. 2 cool Sichuan cuties on the top floor.
Also a few SW in a small park in the center, but no good choice.

hi to Kunmingers... Im a regular on the Shanghai and Makati boards, but have to take my first visit to Kunming next week. Took me a day to figure out where in China it is ...( i seem to only know Shanghai/Beijing etc ) so now.. i need to know where the good massage /sauna places are..which hotels etc. I dont mind paying, I just want a good place if possible. Any info from good particpating brothers would be much appreciated...!!! thanks

I haven't seen anything posted on Ruili, which suprises me, since the town has such a reputation for prostitution. Well, I was there recently and I can tell you that it's a waste of time. Being a border town, I was expecting something similar to what I'd heard about Hekou. Unlike Hekou, there aren't any Burmese (in this case) or other minority groups working the knockshops. It's all Chinese girls, so no Y30 or Y40 short time. No one was willing to go below 200. None of the girls were that good looking and the attitude was bad across the board.

Anyway, it's all store front shops, you go upstairs. Nothing fancy, nothing nice, not very clean looking. None of the girls were better than a 5. In Thailand, in a similar set up with similar quality for ST you wouldn't pay more than 300B, or 6 bucks, in a small town. Here it's like 25 bucks for the same thing. So, I didn't try anyone. If you're thinking of visiting based on the reputation, don't waste your time. I wish I'd gone to Hekou instead. Oh well, didn't have the chance but maybe next time.

Did have one encounter with a girl on the street. The only girl in town who actually approached me. She was pretty aggressive to, not like any of the other girls in town. She was not Han Chinese, probably Burmese. She was really cute, much better looking than the other girls. Was going to go with her, figuring she worked out of one of the buildings on the street I found her on. She walks me across the street, down an alley that leads to an open area with no lighting other than a bonfire off in the distance. Looked like some kind of slum area. Because it was so dark, I decided not to risk it, in case it was some sort of scam. Happy now, after seeing what else the town had to offer, that I didn't go along.

Free Goo,
Why are you surprised, since you rekon Ruili is a waste of time ? You have answered your own question. However, if you go to the border crossing, in the part called Jiegao, a few kilometres from town centre, you may find a few Burmese places, if you look carefully. 50 Y for ST with young Burmese girls, nearly as good as Viet. There are actually some in Ruili itself, but not easy to find. They are very descreet.

Hi Erik, is Hekou worth a mongering trip? As far as I know, it will take at least 10 hrs by bus from Kunming. I love Vietnam pussies, especially those right from across the border. But is it worth my while to make a sidetrip next time when I am in Dongguan?

Wantoknow,
I habe answered in your private message box.

There are some opportunities for hobbying in Kunming but you have to put some effort behind it. When you find it, it should be priced reasonably. All prices are in Chinese Yuan and keep in mind that I cannot communicate one word of Chinese language (except at the very end of my trip).

The city is nice and clean and everything is reasonable in price. If you pay 170 for a single room in a nice hotel, you are paying too much. If you try to eat western foods, you will pay three, four times more than local foods. Bus rides are .... one Yuan per trip and they go everywhere.

Kunming is not for newbies. My thinking is that even if you are used to Thailand and the Philippines and similar; please do not try what you learned there to China. As you may know, there is no mamasan and papasan system in China, it is pimping. I am not going to go into that topic in details here because individuals should cover it separately before they reach this post. It is a whole different approach and ball game here, don¡¯t spoil it please. I have to admit, I found it very satisfying by the time I learned how to enjoy it. In one of the earlier posts under this section, a punter started writing about ¡®his¡¯ girl and how ¡®he¡¯ wanted her like this and that, .... this is not Pattaya. Paying outrages prices .... because he could.

Some barbershops on Beijing Road south of North Railway Station offer some options. Remember to bargain hard, price 60-90, one shot. The salons located in Hotels are rip-offs. The lowest I could find was for 150 for a rush service in my hotel room. Another time I fell for two good-looking ones for a double date (300) but the service turned out to be lousy and their body didn¡¯t match the face and make-up. Make sure you check body.

There are some freelancers along Beijing Road especially near Thai Airway as mentioned in previous posts. If you don¡¯t speak Chinese, it could be risky. The good thing is that if you get ripped-off, it would be only for a small amount of transaction, but still take extra cautious. Keep everything in your hotel room wrapped, safe, and tight at all time for that unexpected opportunity. My last night of staying, I finally gave in to temptation and started negotiating with a couple of pimps (who were trying to pimp the same gal) on the street corner. They started with two hundred, I started walking away and didn¡¯t look back, and they followed me. The price dropped to hundred and I chose a dark corner to continue. The girl was good looking. Looked like good body, kinda shay (or confused over how the pimps were trying so hard to pimp her), they didn¡¯t speak one word of any other language. They wanted me to pay 100 and take the gal to my hotel in taxi, ..... no way. I started walking again and they were trying desperately to keep me interested. Meanwhile I discovered that the gal does not have any ID! .... So, how is she going to pass the hotel lobby? It would have been too much to try to communicate that with them. The girl had a sexy body language (I doubt if she knew it) and by now I am turned on. I gave up on any more bargaining but wasn¡¯t going to pay up first. Finally, I showed them an extra 10. The pimps could have the ten up front and I will pay up the gal 100 at the end, deal. We took a taxi for a short few blocks and paid 10 (found out it was too much). I walked by the lobby first and she came behind me in a short distance and passed the lobby. Back in my hotel, I discovered that oral was not available. That was after the pimps very clearly convinced me (in front of her) with hand and mouth gesture that she would. I realized that I couldn¡¯t rely on her skills or services to enjoy it and I took over the secen myself still, good tight body and soft skin, very sexy body movement.

At mid point of my trip I gave up asking and working it out for oral pleasure unless, you find Vietnamese. It just added too much to the negotiation table and for ..... nothing. Make sure to use protection at all times even for oral pleasure.

I don¡¯t believe in giving too much detail in a post because they are all personal approaches and are the things that every experienced punter is aware of. An experienced punter will try to keep a low profile, enjoy him, and leave it behind for others to enjoy as well. I am just giving extra details to give heads up for those who may not be too sensitive in what makes a place special for punters.

If you walk alone at night in downtown, you will be approached every five, ten meters. A woman may come to you and try to pimp another woman or herself. If you are interested in her then, you have to deal with her pimp who could be the working gal standing by. 150 to go to a Karaoke room in a nearby hotel and watch her dance and she will make you ¡®feel good¡¯, .... okay what else, for how long? Difficult to communicate with her especially when they approach you in midlle of the sidewalk and every by-passer keeps stirring at you (as curiosity). A couple of them looked very professional, ¡®high class¡¯, and sexy. It was very interesting to see them up that close. Very original haircuts, make up, and outfit. Wow, they looked like their pictures could be in magazines or on Internet, .... and they don¡¯t even know it. Anyway, with language barrier, it made it hesitating. But if someone has any experience with these woman please share with rest of us. Now I wonder why I didn¡¯t just blew 150 to find out more still, you don¡¯t know what you may discover under that cute dress. One thing for sure, you don¡¯t have to worry about silicones! Local talent is also available, all very innocently cute, and much fun. You could find them (almost) everywhere especially around universities.

Among places on the side of the south railway station, you may hit the jackpot. Don¡¯t let the set up to discourage you if that¡¯s what you are looking for, ..... she is up there, ..... right there ..... on that corner. It is very important to maintain a (very) low profile and bargain hard if decided to visit these areas. Now I know how I could have enjoyed it even more. There are some druggies among them even as young as they may look. Don¡¯t hesitate to check body before taking but please don¡¯t make a free feel from it. If they refused, move on. I ended up dating a young busty one for 50 Yuan, one shot, .... and I kept going back to her, ¡¦sometimes two, three times a day, ..... soooo much pleasure. I found a way to take side alleys and bypass the whole market scene to get to her place. I was also out late at night a few times and never felt unsafe. I could have doubled the size of this report but I didn¡¯t, it is long as is. Bargain hard, check body, and use protection. Happy hunting and no questions please.

Kunming is indeed the most sexiest of all Chinese big cities. Most veterans, however, only mentioned the area of Kunming, that is the part near the South Railway Station. There are a bunch of other places far much better than the South Railway Station either in the quality of girls or the environment for mongering. One place I know quite well is North Xinying Residential Area, for the entire block is full of BBS. Most girls in these nice decorated BBS are said to have come from Sichuan Province and the Northeastern Provinces. Services are extremely good indeed. The current rate is 100 yuan per shot or 200 yuan per night and there is some space for bargaining indeed. Basically, such a price does not include oral, which some girls will ask for an extra 30-50 yuan. Language would be a challenge for those of you who can't speak Chinese. Chances of meeting some girls speaking some English still exist.

Good L/Fuck.

after a day of smoke filled meetings with local clients, i took a walk around the hotel at about 2100. within minutes i was being escorted by a very cute (7+), tiny (4'9") little item who spoke some english. she suggested 500rmb as adequate compensation for "massagie", i countered with 300 and we agreed on 400 for a st.

having paid 1500 the previous night for the hotel suana girl, i needed to conserve my monger funds. i'll be in kmg for 2 more days, the szx for 1 and hkg for 2.

we returned to my room. i am on the 32nd floor in small suite with wrap around windows covering 2 walls. i keep the drapes open because i enjoy the night lights and there are no buildings with sight lines.

wei zhang had never been in a room this high and was facinated by seeing her city from altitude.

after some feverish petting with exceptional dfk ( i was to later learn this girl could really use her tongue) we hit the showers. usual action, all parts well cleaned and inspected. wei has not learned the fine art of bush trimming, but the growth was not exceptional.

in bed i tried a new approach that i had learned from asrtoglide in the cr forum. he suggests giving a girl an "erotic" massage before anything starts. i began giving wei a back rub using hotel lotion. as i got to her rear entry, i switched to ky warming liquid and applied it liberally to her crotch regions. gentle digits were used for excitement but not penetration. i continued the lotion on legs and feet. i finished her back with a tongue bath giving extra special attention to the ky areas. i was being rewarded with moans, gasps and body shivers. real, not faked.

put her on the flip side and did the same except the ky was used on her nipples. poor wei was not endowed with a large chest. she had nice little breasts but nothing more than a mouthful.

continued massage to the furry regions where the ky was again applied and massaged into various crevices. down the legs to the feet and started a cat bath at her toes.

by the time i got back to the fur, she was really getting excited. began some very serious daty with ar. diigits were inserted in both openings and the response was fantastic. she arched her hips and made sure i never lost contact with her p***y. she was lit up like nothing i have ever seen. much thrashing, moaning, hard breathing. her legs wrappped around my neck and kept in a vice grip.

wei did not just cum, she exploded. if she was a man, she would have shot her load 10 feet. she totally collapsed as she came down from her high.

she grabbed me and cuddled for a very long time. i would guess we held this position for half an hour. when she could talk, she said this had never happened to her. she had made climax before but never this way. she told me that chinese men are not big on "rug munching". if they give it a quick lick that's all she gets. even when she gets herself off, it has never been this strong. her funny remark was "i pay you - you no pay me".

after she had recovered she began to return the favor. super dfk, cat bath and nibbles as she worked her way down my fat gut to the good parts. she started a bbj and she knows how to use her mouth. no hands except for gentle prostate probes. i was enjoying this but was also thinking about the main event and when we would get started. it has been a very long time since a girl has been able to bbj me to completion. tonight was to be different - wei took me over the top and swallowed it all. no spitting in the rug or running to the sink. she drooled some down her lip, wiped it with a finger and sucked that finger clean.

again we crashed in embrace. after a while we both headed for the sink for a toothbrush and mouthwash. i figured my night was over and it had been a good one.

wei jumped back in bed and pulled the covers over both of us. she said now we rest.

my usual reload time is 4 to 5 hours. i have been trying cialis for the first time and was concerned because the 24 hour clock was running out. when i use viagra in this situation, i usually take a 25mg "booster" to cover the future activities. there was no way i was going to mix the meds because, at almost 60, i don't know what my system can take.

i figured we just take things as they happened. if wei wanted another round and i couldn't get it up, she would get another lick job.

we both slept. i woke about 0230 and got up to take a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]. wei also woke and did the same. it is really cute to see these chinese girls from the country jump up on the rim of the toilet and squat to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url]. we both went to the shower to wash the lower parts clean. back in bed, she had at me with a vengence. cialis worked as advertised and we went at it for almost an hour before my train finally left the station.

i figured we would go back to sleep and have at it again in the morning but wei said she go home now. this is strange because most of these street girls love to stay in the hotel. a big, clean bed, mini bar, tv, lots of clean towels and plenty of shower water.

these girls traditionally live 4 or 5 to a small room. they sleep on mattresses on the floor and bathe in something slightly better than a mud puddle. she has no k*ds and no family but she did not want to stay. while she was showering and dressing i counted out 600rmb. i know i'll get flamed for overpaying but she deserved extra for special service.

after she dressed, i gave her the money. she counted it and smiled at the tip. she then peeled of 300 and gave it back to me.

i said "what is this?" - she said "i pay you like i promise". i tried to give it back and she would not take it. i am not going to get into a fight about money.

a pretty fantastic night for us$38.00. she has no cell phone but i hope i can find her again on the street tonight.

I confirm, the area called Xinying Xiaobeiqu, along Bailong road, is definitely great. Fairly good selection. On the down side, prices are maybe a little bit more expansive in the other BBS of Kunming, also they all insist on being paid upfront, even if you take the girl out, which is absolutely against my religion. Strangely every BBS will telle you thet all the girls are from North-West China, which is of course not true. It is just that Mandchouria girls are believed to have a fairer skin, bigger boobs and good temper.
Most grateful to Think About for this info.

I've just read your post about great experiences in Xinyingbeiqu in Kunming. And it is a pleasure to accept your gratitude of my information about that area. Actually, I experiences of that district is about 8 months old and I don't know the current situation of the place. I will be visiting Kunming again very soon. So it maybe of great help to kill my idle nights there if you could offer me more recent going-ons in that region, or if there is any other better places, please do share with me. Also please inform me some hotel information in the adjacent area.

The girl I tried last time when I was there is from Heilongjiang in northeast China. Zhangjing, as she called herself, is really friendly and open and with very nice body. But Zhangjing speaks no English (my Chinese is manageable ok to handle whatever situation involved in mongering expeditions). I found her in a BBS named "Shushi meirong Meifa Ting--(Comfort Beauty Salon) at about 23:00 and we took a taxi to a nearby hotel. Before the "real thing" began, we drank 2 bottles of beer. After that, Zhangjing got a bit hot, offering to give me oral. Then she sucked me over the shower, which made me rather erotic. Zhangjing is really experienced in terms teasing and we fucked 4 times in 3 hours. She seemed enjoyed it so much, for I did not see a bit of pretension. Gosh, I really missed her!! If only she is still there!

Since there is no separate section small towns such Yuxi, Yunxian and Fengqing, I would like to offer some personal experiences about these places under the secction of Kunming.

Yuxi is just about an hours ride by shuttle bus from Kunming. The town appears totally quiet in the sense of mongering at the first glance. However, when night comes, the town turns totally another face, with its Thai-like streets in the New Development Zone (local name would Huluyuan). BBS line up the streets in the whole district. And girls of various tastes fill up any of them. Actually, I've never seen such concentration of BBS in any other Chinese cities as that of Yuxi. And budget is reasonably cheap at 130-200 for overnight. The girls are generally friendly. but very few of them will do oral, for it is rumoured that most of these girls stationed there considered that "dirty". Hotel rates range from 60 to 400 yuan in the town.

If you are adventurous of a sort, try a place called Xiaojie which is 40 km south of Yuxi. Xiaojie is famous for its hot spring. And the whole town (village would be proper to discribe it) is a complex of hot spring hotels. Cost for hotel ranges from 30 to 150 yuan for overnight, plus very good facility for a hot spring bath in each room. You could ask the hotel owner for some escort of a girl(s) over the bath. For overnight stay, the girl usually charges 120 yuan, but the service is extremely good. The best way to get to Xiaojie is to take a taxi at about 50 yuan from Yuxi.

I am told that Luxi, East of Kinming, a bit further from Mile, is also a very hot place. Could somebody confirm ?
If you travel to Simao (390 Y one way flight from Kubnming), near Xishuangbana, the action is on Renmin zhonglu and Renmin xilu. If you go to that region of Yunnan, you must try the Hani ethny girls, who look like much like Thai and are hotter than the Han-Chinese, in my opinion.

Mengzi : THE road with BBS is also the only one where you can find a selection of decent restaurants, so anyway you should have to walk down it. Very average selection of girls.

Yuxi : That was another super info from Think About. The number and openness of BBS in Huluyuan district is properly incredible. Price is 100 Y for ST (they might try to sell it 150 Y because you are foreigners) and BBS is generally negociable with an extra 50 Y. Rooms are correct, as these are recent buildings. Take out is no problem for same price. However many girls are afraid of foreigners, so you will need plenty of diplomacy. For hotel I recommand Gaokuai Hotel, conveniently situated next to the bus station for Kunming (70 mn drive by the highway). Yuxi is a quiet, clean, modern town. From town center, Huluyuan is 10 mn dive (3 Y by motobyke). On the main shopping street, Nanbei dajie, I even watched a gogo show (5 Y entrance fee) with 4 girls in bikini, and if you are patient you will see some very quick topless. In the little park accross the bus station, some street walkers at nght, the lowest segment of the meat market though.

Kinming : Xinying district. The BBS owners of Dongbei girls are in a row with the local constables, so they are not allowed to open their shops, and just keep a little side door open at night. Oen street further, it is the field the Sichuan girls, under juridicton of another police post, and they are allowed to run as usual.

Hi all brothers,

I am first timer in this forum and seeking for some information in Kunming. I am planning to go mid of this month. Anyone any recommendation for 4 or 5 star hotel?Any reliable guide there? Will definetely post my reports here when I am beck.

Thanks all brothers.

I am also going to Kunming soon and was recommended the "Jia Hua" hotel as it is 5 star, quite central and only 4km from the airport, for about 450rmb, I am not sure what your budget is.

C-Trip or E-Long is maybe the best way to get hotel deals.

There are plenty of 4 or 5 star hotels in Kunming. In front of the one next to Thai airways office, on Beijing road, there is a small presence of pimps and street walkers at night. Not very close from Xinying district, but close from the few barbershops on Yongkang street and Yongfeng street. I don't remember its name.

Hotels in KMG:

I always stay at Kai Wah Plaza. 5*. Great sauna and night club. Plenty of girls in the house and even more on the streets after about 8:00PM. Very girl friendly unless she looks like an absolute ****.

The second level for me is the Holoday Inn. Also pleanty of action in the hotel and in the area. It is across the street from the Kunming Hotel. This is run by the local Amry guys. 4*, Very good supply of companions.

KMG is a sex friendly city with a lot better looking women. It is quite easy to get a 8 or 9 on the street and she will overnight for 11,200RMB or less.

Check my KMG reports from March or late Feb

'Bare

Thanks brothers,

Actually I am checking on Bank Hotels or New Horizon hotels. How is it compare to Kai Wah Hotels?Is the rate better if I book on line or when I arrive at the airport?

Thanks again.

Hi LuvumBare,

Would like to check with you the rates of the night club and sauna in the Hotel you mentioned. Thanks again.

1557,

Email the Kai Wah - www.kaiwahplaza.com/p3/p3_e.htm. The guy who will answer is named Kevin Shiu. He took very good care of me. 35% discount and gave me a suite at the regular discount rate.

Sauna rates are 900 to 2100 depending on your wants. I had take out service in my room. A very pretty girl, no English, lovely laugh and smile. Not fully shaved but very well trimmed. If you are new to Asia, you must realize, these women do not shave the arms, legs or pu**y. Only a few will be shaved or trimmed and these will be in the major markets only.

The room service was about an hour with all everything done quite well. 1500RBM.

If you are looking for street action wait until 2100.

Go out the front door and make an immediate left turn down the car access ramp. At the foot of the ramp, cross the street and start walking to the left. If you see girls walking, they are available. Keep an eye out for a very short one. Not a beauty, but cute face and a dynamite bod.

If you can catch her, you will have a night to remember.

I had her for 2 nights - see my earlier reports. She will fu*k, suck, AR, BBJTCIM - just about anything. I did not go for Greek and I doubt it is available but I have been wrong before.

She will really respond if your DATY style is good and you can get her off. If you make her cum, she will re-pay the favor many times over during the night.

She often gets hungry at about 0130. I give her 50 or 100 and the spare room key. Off she goes and 20-30 minutes later she is back with a couple of bags of really good food. She also puts the change from the money you gave her on the table - not in her pocket.

You can re-enter the hotel from the street level, insert your key in the elevator and completely by-pass the front desk.

KaiWah also has a KTV and night club. This trip I did not visit either, but in the past I have done well in the night club. Be advised, there may be a couple of ladyboys floating around the night club.

2 years ago I went into the club and sat at the bar. I speak no Chinese. The place was full of young girls and I think they were waiting to be called into the KTV but I did not know the full story.

A very cute little thing sat down next to me. I indicated a smoke and a beer and got positive response for both. She put her hand on my leg and said "I love you". So sweet. I wrote my room number on the beer mat and finished my beer. She was in my room within 10 minutes.

We began writing numbers on the desk pad. She wrote 900 - I wrote 400. We eventually agree at 600. Much kissing and petting followed on the bed. Her clothes were still fully on her. She began to give me a very, very good BBJ. Note - WE HAD NOT DONE THE SHOWER bit yet.

I stopped her and indicated the shower. She started to balk and I tried to remove her clothes. My pants were off and the results of a partial BBJ were evident. I could not understand why she would not get in the shower. I thought she had her period but this is not usually a problem.

I finally pointed to the door and indicated she could either shower and stay or hit the road with no money. The want for money overcame her expected fear of what I might do.

She took off her shirt and undid her bra. Newspaper fell out. Absolutely no tits. I was quite scared because I fiqured I has a minor in my room and was in potentially real trouble. I tried to ask her age but we could not communicate. As soon as her skirt was off, I knew why she had no tits. She had a dick.

Time to reevaluate the program. I had not been with a ladyboy and the idea was interesting. Off we went to shower. I let him/her control the situation to see what would happen next. I knew one things that would NOT happen - because the only thing going up my butt is an occasional finger.

After the shower we hit the bed and began playing she/he could not get it up but did beguin to deliver another very good BBBJ. My digits began to explore the dark star opening and I indicated that insertion was on my plan. We covered and lubed and in I went. She/he rode CG and RCG. We went doggie and finally finished with mish. I unloaded far more than I expected. She/he removed the plastic hat and did a great job of licking the plate clean.

We showered and she/he got dressed. We had a cig and shared a minibar beer. I pulled out 400 and handed it to him/her. I indicated the door. Remember our original deal was 600 and I wanted to see what would happen. He/her gave me a look of real disappointment but did not make any indication for more money. I guess this is a regular occurrance when his/her customers find the extra equipment. When dressed in skirt and shirt with hair and make-up done, this was a really beautiful person. In the end I could see not value in trying to cheat she/he out of any money. As she/he headed for the door, I tapped his/her shoulder. When she/he turned around I gave him/her the extra 200.

Many smiles and kisses. She/he came back in the room and started to take of his/her shoes. I put up my hand and said stop.
She/he fell on the bed and pulled the blanket up while reaching for the pillow and faking sleep. I got the message. She/he wanted to sleep over. I explained I was not up for a pajama party or a boys night in the rack. Many thanks on your offer but I think I'll sleep alone. I just have this thing about being in total control of any hardons in a bed where my ass is also exposed.

It was unique, fun and something I may try again if I ever find another cute item in the night club of the KaiWah Plaza.

Bare

Hi LuvumBare,

Thanks for sharing your precious experience. Actually I am more interested in the KTV action. Since first timer there, I am little worry about one drink and they give you a bill of few k RMB, or you will be nicely screw up. Anyway will arrive 15 apr for 4 days. Will post all the happenings when I return.

Thanks again,

LuvumBare

Luvumbare,

This Kai Wah hotel, isn't it the one next to the Thai airways office I was mentionning ?
I appreciate you are fair, human and honest with sex workers, which is good. But I can tell you that the prices you mention, even negociated as you explained, could be still cut by 50 per cent at least. There are very few foreigners in Kunming, where anyway the sex business is slow. When you go to BBS either in Xinying district or near the train station, you hardly meet any customer. On the pavement, you must have noticed that there is never any other monger but yourself. In Xinying, you can get a Sichuan or Dongbei young and cute sex bomb for 200 Y. Near Kunming station, for 150 Y.
The problem with this 5 stars hotels is that more than half of your money goes to the hotel / Sauna management / mamasan, whatever...
200 Y is approx 1000 Thai baht or 25 USD, the price of a ST in Bangkok, Jakarta or Saigon and a LT in Phnom Penh.
There is absolutely no reason to push the prices up in medium size cities of China. Don't forget that the average salary for one of these girls when they used to be restaurant waiter, factory worker or shampoo maid before they turn to prostitution, was between 400 and 700 Y per month, without any holidays and very few days off. So you do them a great favor when you pay them 200 Y for fucking them 1 hour and rest in your 5 star room.
Agreed ?

Erik,

I do not wander the BBS circuit because I do not enjoy a quick flip in a dumpy little room with a dirty matress on the floor.

Remember I am near 60, not a young spunky guy look for a quick unload. I prefer the comfort of my room and the security of the hotel.

I was in Thailand in '67, 68 and 69 when you could get a BBJTCIM and a cold beer at the same time for less than 5USD. At that time in my life, this was enjoyable.

As you get older you want your creature comforts.

Bare

Hi Guys,

I am Jeffrey. Yes, I am a chinese and Kunming is my hometown, but I live in Los Angeles, California now. I always get a lot of beautiful girls in LA because of this forum. I love here!

Right now I think maybe i can help you guys over there, and let you guys enjoy my hometown. If you have any questions about Kunming, Yunnan even China, please feel free sent email to me: [blue][Email address deleted by Admin][/blue]

First of all, please remember: Full serivce only 200RMB in Kunming! (I pay $200 in LA, ok?!) All night serivce no more than 1000RMB! This price is noly for the beautiful girl!
If you find a native agent, friend, guide whatever who they are, do not trust them! Let they show you the way only! Yourself must negotiate with the girl alone. You do not need speak Chinese just show them the mony they will understand.

Nobody want to study English with you! They just want your money. If they need study English they will go to school. Pay the money enjoy the girl, that's the deal nothing else.

Be safer be nicer

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Here is one mongers banquet which will have to be foregone by the lucky residents of Kunming.

Naked sushi stripped off the menu
From correspondents in Beijing
April 7, 2004

A RESTAURANT in China's southwest has been ordered to take its newest dish off the menu: sushi served on the naked bodies of two young women.

The Japanese restaurant in Kunming held a trial banquet of its "feast on a beauty's body" on Friday, prompting a public outcry, the Xinhua News Agency and newspapers reported.

The event was banned this week before anyone had ordered the dinner, the newspaper China Daily reported on its Web site. It was priced at 1000 yuan ($160) per person - the equivalent of two months' income for the average Chinese person.

jack

Luvumbare.
I think you have a wrong idea of BBS. They are not only for consumption in the premises, actually many of them don't have back rooms and offer to take you to an apartment nearby when you don't have your own room. I use BBS just like beer bars in Thailand : as a pick up place. Thre, you get better quality girls than the ones you find on the pavement at night. Those ones are often the dodgy girls, who steal or are on drugs, or too wild to be accepted even in a BBS. In some areas you could even find stunning girls, who are not regulars of BBS but who come to do some extras in day time. There is absolutely no objective reason to pay double a girl of same quality just because you have picked her up in a Karaok or a sauna. Also, BBS girls are generally less professionnal and mechanical than sauna girls. OK, they are unable to do a proper massage.

Response to Jack Spratt's posts

The business that offered nude banquet was shut down because of health code violations. The girls employed to carry this did not present the health check papers necessary to practise the profession of handling food.

Although this was clearly against public decency, law enforcement (not limited to police) was sobre on invoking the correct laws. Food Hygiene Law was it in this case.

And what's more is that the promotion was initiated by a [b]woman[/b]. She scored a spectacular own goal. It was a great sellout of her own sex and she'd be a sitting duck.

For details visit www.people.com.cn and click on 'English' if necessary.

Just to update the situaion on the Kai Wah hotel, the fifth floor has a night club that has just been opened, the manager apologised and said that there would be pretty girls available there soon, and that what ever a customer did in their VIP boxes was up to the customer.

The local PSB bosses were drinking there too, so I assume that this will be an interesting and safe place for getting girls.

I asked why the hotel gives two room card keys, the front office lady smiled and said it was so that one of the card could be permanently kept in the power switch. In all of the hotels I have ever stayed in I have never seen this before.

So I assume that the real reason is that if you are embarrased about bringing a girl to the room, that you go to your room first and the girl follows a few minutes by herself, activating the lift with your spare room card. This way she can't be challanged by the hotel staff as she might be a guest, and you don't have to worry that you will be seen by anyone with the girl.

Kunming station anyone.

I was In Kunming in August 2003 and again in December 2003. First time I stayed at the Yun Xia Lv Guan, a 25 Yuan a night travelers hotel. It's about 10 minutes walk west of the Kunming rail station. Then go south (left). The motel is on the right hand side about 5 minutes down just after crossing the tracks. A month after I left, a body was discovered butchered on the steps of my motel... nice huh?

Where's the SEX? Out at the intersection in front of the South Station (Kunming Station). Go there between 11pm and 2am. I crossed the area 5 different times on the way back to my motel and each time I had pimps and or whoes trying to drag me to their hotels for 100Y BJ's to 300 Y sex.

Also, there's a lake in the center of town just south of Yunnan University. (forget the name) but at the park around the lake, there are a lot of women, some are hookers, some are mamasan.

More: Kunming is a fairly westernized city (For being in the west) It has 2 Walmarts, a lot of Mc Donalds, a lot of tall buildings, an organized transportation system, a lot of western music is popular there. I met a nice Muslim Minorty (Hui Zu) nympho to pound me. But that's just what speaking chinese gets me.

Glad to hear that action is back around Cuihu lake. Is anybody else aware ?

Warning!

Hi guys. Please do not visit the the area around railway station! These is very very dangerous area! I have never visited that kind of area as a native guy. Stay in the hotel you can get some very beautiful girls in the night club, sauna, disco bar etc. around the hotel!

Jaw native guy, well maybe you should visit "that kind of areas" and you would see that it is not dangerous at all ! I have been many times at all times of day and night and feel more secure at kunmingzhan than on a sunny afternoon in center od New York City.
Maybe you are too posh for that, so stay in your hotel and pay 1000 Y for sex.

Hi Erik,

Agree with your post, but on the other hand, its a good idea for people to be made aware of areas that they need to be paying more attention to.

From your other posts I see you are a guy who is quite aware of what you are doing in China so I guess you are already paying good attention when "playing", other people might need pointers.

Cheers

Hi guys here:

I have wanderrd through many railway staition at night before, what I had found is the "guides" out of their doors dragged me in for just one night dwelling, but no one mentioned about the sex service.

I have also wanderrd through the red light districts of many major cities in the south. The "guides" on the way sometimes seized my arms and describe their girls is much beautiful and the price is extremely low. I was pussled, some of their narration felt too good to be true. I don't really know it was my lucky day or my bad day.

How can you guys ensured that there is no hidden fee when you steped in?

JC

I found out about Cuihu Lake at the end of my staying in Kunming but I was too busy enjoying myself with what I had already discovered. So, I didn¡¯t follow up on that but my understanding was that it was more of bar scene or college crowd than anything else (unreliable sources). Actually, I walked in that area a lot but mostly during day and not exactly the roads adjacent to the lake. I could kick myself for not looking into it more. Any more tips what to look for or what the scene may look like.

I was out late almost every night and I never felt unsafe. Keep in mind that sometimes it is more of curiosity than anything else that may attract the locals to you. If you find yourself in a situation where someone may try to pick on you (especially with liquor breath on him), the best thing is to just walk away and disappear for a while. In my opinion, if you decided to visit some of these areas, you could show your face maybe once a day. It is not a place to hang out. If you decide to go back sometime soon, you should know exactly where you are heading. Do not wonder around. It is service oriented so, if you find a place you like then try different picks. Keep a low profile and bargain hard.

I am wondering if there is any thing happening along the road east of Beijing Road, toward Chuncheng Road. I didn¡¯t get a chance to check it out. In my map, Chayuan Hotel is listed there. I think even the 40 Yuan hotels would be safe. You may not want to leave your laptop in there for a whole day while you are gone but it could have its own advantages. Now, I think that I should have taken a (secondary) room in a cheaper hotel just for the sake of the advantages that it might have offered. I know for the fact that I spotted and talked to a couple of freelances whom looked like they were out-of-towners trying to make extra cash and go back to their hometown at the end of day. Almost all of them had that look of small town cutie. That looks that you could only find in small towns. I didn¡¯t do anything because I couldn¡¯t be fast enough in evaluating my options and I missed out because I knew I couldn¡¯t take back to my hotel that time of day. Plus, I was having so much fun I didn¡¯t think it could get any better! Mile was found and verified in my mp, thank you. Luxi is further up in what direction from Mile please. I take it there are regular bus services from Kunming to there! Is there a different spelling for Yuxi? Cannot find it in my (stupid) map.

World traveller,
Luxi : yes there are direct bus service, the thing is to find from which of the 3 or 4 bus station it leaves. you will get the information in any of them. Take the express direct bus service ("kuaiban") for more confort. Please tell me how is the scene there, as this place is on my project list. Thanks.
Yuxi : Look further south of Kunming, it is at the end of the railway that runs straight southward. Yuxi is an important city in Yunnan, you cannot find it on a map of Kunming, but on a map of the province.

Just to let you guys know that Kai Wah Hotel rooms now have 2 free Chinese government provided condoms (I guess you just ask for more if needed) and still two room cards. So I guess this hotel can be rated Girl-Friendly.

I had trouble explaining why they had condoms in the room to my wife though.

Update on Jinghong, Xishuangbanna.
Quite a good selection at the moment in the douzen of BBS on the street called Mantinglu or something like that, near Manting gongyuan. This is the street where bars for foreign backpackers can be found. I also recommend tha BBs at the entrance of Jinghong Bingguan (Jinghong Hotel), with over 20 girls and very busy at night, more quiet in the afternoon. In all these places, the current rate for ST is rather 150 Y in the afternoon, and 200 Y at night. However, I have unsuccesful at getting a BJ, even by offering to pay more. The above hotel is convenient, with the Bank of China just in front. Room quite old though, price was 150 Y after negociation.
Among the minorities, Hani girls are still my preferred ones. They are hotter than the Dai.

Bangkok Airways has flights between Bangkok-Chiang Mai- Jinghong (Xishuangbanna airport) if you don't need to travel via Kinming. Very convenient. At Jinghong airport, pay no more than 20 Y to go down town, the airport is very close but the drivers often ask 30 Y. From town to airport you pay only 10 to 15 Y...

I am going to put my update about Luxi, and then I thing that will be it, because that is turning to a monologue. Why would I waste time giving my informations other members don't share ?

Luxi, west of Kunming, which had been promised as a sex paradise was actually a bit of a desapointment at the begining. First, no good road to access, wherever you come from. Then, I found the scene, one or two kilometres out of the town. Along the wide avenue (called, I think, Yinbinglu, but I am not too sure), there are several red light BBS on the right hand side when you leave the town. Then, at the end of the avenue is a short street with 5 or 6 sex businesses, massage parlor, one of them with more than 20 girls displayed, wating to be taken to the ST room or taken away, in the style of a massage parlor in a second range city of Thailand.

The night club in the Kai Wah is closed for re-decorations so no action.
The streets near the hotel have a few SW's. Some asking 200-300 but I would not put my di*k anywhere near these skanks.

The sauna/massage in the hotel is OK. 188 for 45min or 300 for 90. Nice shower/sauna/steam area with both hot and cold whirlpools.

The resting room is OK but they charge for drinks - no matter what.

Although they have free smokes, you have to ask.

Enough about the frills - what about the thrills.

Each room has a traditional massage table as well as a rather wide bed (wonder why?). Mirrors on the wall.

There is absolutely no pretense about being a legit place once the girl enters the room. FS starts at 1,500 but can be down priced to 1,200.
I was with #15 - WonTon. A 26 year old beauty from Harbin. Natural 34's. between B & C. Clean Gillette job with landing strip.

She walked in and gave a nice kiss with a gentle squeeze of the lower parts just to make sure something was there. Off came the clothes and some light petting to get the lead in the pencil. Out come the pad and the number game begins. Once the price is agreed, she writes it on the form and you sign it.

She calls it in and a couple of minutes later there is a knock on the door. The delivery includes 2 raincoats, an envelope of Fizzies, a glass of hot water, a glass of cold water and a hotel size bottle of Listerine. You get an immediate idea of what is in the playbook.

A massive BBJ with all the toys. Hot, cold and fizz. A flip for some outstanding DATY and into the home stretch. If you have a quick trigger, this is not the place for you because MSOG is not an option.
Once everyone is all sweaty and satisfied, out comes the little pad of paper and a pleading request for a tip.

All in for about 1,500. High for this neck of the woods but about the same for a mid level HKG joint.

'bare

Went to the Holiday Inn bar at about 10pm Monday but it was dead.

Then went to the South Train Station area but it was late and also seemed dead. I walked north up Beijing Lu and after a block or so started to see people mulling around and there were pimps and a few girls. Kept walking until I got to the King World Hotel on Beijing Lu and there was a crowd of mamasons (is that what they're called here?) in front of the hotel on the sidewalk and I chatted with a few. They said 500 then I said 300 and they eventually said ok. By the way, I speak some chinese so communication is not a problem. They called a girl over named ChenFang and she was about a 9 and wearing sexy hooker clothes which I didnt exactly want but oh well. I didn't have a room to go to due to staying at a cheap dorm-hostel travellers place, so I said take me to your place. They said 100 more and I could sleep there all night if I wanted. An extra 100 was a rip-off but I agreed anyway. A motorcycle taxi took us to the apartment which was a total dump, and it was cold so we had to stay under the covers the whole time. Her bod was hot and it was an ok time but would've been better in a real hotel room. I asked if I was her first foreigner and she said yeah and that she wouldn't go with one unless he was shuai (thats chinese for handsome). While we were at it her phone rang and I said go ahead and answer it and she started talking to her boyfriend! Pretty funny I thought, talking to her boyfriend while f****** me.

After we were done she gave me her phone number and said to call her direct so I might do that tonight. We walked back to the King World Hotel and I asked some mamasans if there was a good cheap hotel in the area and they showed me a great place, called the You3Lian2 Binguan (I don't remember if there is an english name on the front but the english name is Union Hotel) and they have single rooms with big beds and bathroom for 100 yuan. Just a little rundown but not too bad. I'm assuming its girl friendly sine mamasans showed it to me. Its located right next to the King World, walk north up Beijing Lu to the King World, turn left at the corner, walk 100 meters or so and its on the right side.

Any Kunming experts want to go whoring in the next few days please give me a PM with your mobile #. I would like to try some disco's or something like that but I don't know where to go. I'll be here until Saturday, and then back in 10 days.

This report is from 2 weeks ago. Haven't had time to post until now.

Day 2 checked into the You3Lian2 Binguan that I looked at the night before. 100 yuan for decent room and it is very girl friendly. When you walk through the lobby with an obvious prostitute they all just look at you but don't say anything. There is a condom machine right next to the elevator in the lobby. I think I could have bargained down to 80 yuan if I had tried. Its right next to the King World Hotel (Jin3Hua2 Dajiudian) near the train station and girls hang out in front of both hotels.
Went to Green Lake at around 7pm and there were no girls inside or outside the park. Maybe its more active late at night?

Went to Holiday Inn bar for the second time in 2 days but it was dead again. I really expected some hookers to hang out there but haven't seen any.

Went back to my hotel around 9pm and some ladies all came running to me asking if I wanted a girl. I talked to one and she said 200 and I said OK let me take a look, and she shouted across the street and a girl came over. She was a young shy country girl but kind of cute so I said yes. What a mistake that was. Her p*ssy was dry and she was no fun and wanted to rush, and didn't speak good putonghua so I couldn't understand her very well. Total waste of money. I asked her about the lady that came up to me in front of the hotel and she said that was her bie3jie2. (What does biejie mean?) I also asked her how much of the 200 yuan she gets to keep and she said she gets 100. For some reason I was feeling generous and I gave her a 20 yuan tip (which she didn't even ask for) and she complained that it wasn't very much. What a *****, I will never do that again.

On day 3 in Kunming in the afternoon I called ChenFang who I had met on night 1 and called her over for an afternoon date, hoping it would be better since I had a good room this time. Called her (woke her up) at 4pm and she came over and looked hot again. But when she was undressing, her boyfriend called and she talked on the phone for a long time (naked in front of me) and then got off and said that we had to hurry and go really fast and only had 10 minutes before she had to go and meet her boyfriend. I should have kicked her out right then but I was too horny at that point. She was very very dry and made me go fast. Another total waste of money. From now on I'm going to have a supply of Aiyou (sex oil) with me.

Day 4, called a biejie from my hotel room. She had promised the day before that she had a very hot, tall chinese girl that I would like for sure and said she would bring her up to show me. I said OK and about 15 minutes later she came up with another young, shy (and short) country girl. The tall hot one was busy she said. I said no way, not interested in another one of those and I decided to go without.

Will be back in Kunming soon and I hope to find a different scene than the low-quality train station area.

The Zhong Yu Hotel, which is close to the airport in Kunming, has a sauna on their third floor. Dropped by around 1am and did the shower changing thing, still not used to walking around naked though in the changing room.

Watched a bit of telly then decided to go for the main attraction. The girl was petite and in my books about a 7. Gave an ok massage for about 20 mins, acted really cutesy with a girlish giggle, not really my thing though. Begin fooling around a bit then asked how much for extras. Wanted 800 rmb for two hours of front and back service full service, got it down to 700.

Had the fire-ice thing, ass licking, and tongue bath... and she licked everything, I mean between the toes and all which ended with a cim bbbj. After a bit of massaging to get the little guy back up, went onto covered fs, which was ok, but she was way overacting... felt like I was starring in a bad porn movie. I was pretty tired so after my two shots so I called it quits though she brought two condoms into the room.

Overall it was pretty good service with the girl acting as if she genuinely cared about your satisfaction.

I went to the XinYing residential district to find BBS's that previous posts have described, and I walked the entire length of BaiLong Lu and didn't see anything. Later that night I was in a taxi talking to a driver that seemed to know alot about Kunming prostitution and he said there was a big crackdown recently that closed down the BBS's. In fact he didn't have anyplace at all to recommend to me, he was calling people on his mobile phone but nobody knew of a location right now due to the crackdown. I asked him to drive around and check a few places and he did find a street called Chuan Ji Lu (don't know if its spelled right) that had about 4 or 5 shops, not red-lighted, that had girls sitting around. There were a couple sex dildo shops around there too. However I didn't see anyone I liked from walking pst them on the sidewalk so I went home. To get to this street go north up Beijing Lu, go past Renmin Dong Lu, at the next big intersection turn right. On the left hand side of the street are the shops. The driver said never go to the girls room, and that if I did I would probably get robbed. I asked the driver what he thought of the King World Hotel and train station area and he laughed and said those girls are so ugly.

Was sitting in my hotel room (very girl-friendly YouLian Binguan near train station) got my nightly call from the hotel "massage service" asking if I wanted massage. I said yes and 5 mintues later a very nice 18 y.o. Sichuan girl came knocking. Great bod, large breasts. I said how much for massage she said 60. Then she said do you want extras? (Spoke only chinese of course). I said yes how much, she said 500, I said 300, she said 400, I said 300, she said OK. Great time for 45 minutes, she gave me her number, I might call her back.

Next day visited the BBS shops on Chuan Jin Lu with a chinese friend. You go in and ask how much for "Kuai Can". That means "fast food" in chinese but its code words for how much for short-time banging, either in the back room or in your hotel. My chinese friend was quoted 100 yuan, and I was quoted 150 yuan. We got in arguments in a couple places about why should a foreigner have to pay more, but they are all adamant and won't lower the price for foreigners. Dicks too big, they say. Me and my chinese friend picked 2 girls and we went to my hotel room for a 1-hour party. I paid an extra 100 for BBBJ. They also let us take porno pictures with my camera. Met a hot girl at a different shop who I'll call next time. Most of them are a little older and not-so-great, but a few are young and good looking.

In a taxi later on, I talked to a driver who repeated what I heard earlier that the crackdown is really serious in Kunming right now. Even in front of the King World Hotel there are no pimps now. A couple weeks ago I was mobbed by people offering me girls when I walked in the area, now there is nothing. There was even a policeman sitting outside the hotel last night.

I walked around the train station area with my chinese friend and found 2 alleys of low quality BBS shops. Since there is a crackdown, I don't know why they aren't shut down too. I would not get a girl from these places personally, but here are directions anyway: Walk north from the train station on Beijing Lu, at YongPing Lu turn right. Its the first intersection north of the train station. I didn't see an english name on the street though. Walk east on YongPing Lu, the street ends at ChunCheng Lu. Before you get to the end of the street, look left there are 2 streets/alleys with shops.

FYI all,

I was just in Kunming on 2 Jan 2005 and the Holiday Inn Kunming is now the Sakura Hotel.

The rack rate for a room starts at RMB688. I would negotiate a lower price if you want to stay here. It is a bit run down now.

Did not stay here, sorry, so don't know if there is any Sauna action.

MAB

I didn’t spend any time in Kunming during my Holidays trip due to not very promising reports, advice, and apparently, security issues on the city I read on this and other boards. Did you guys read about the bust of a ring of college students who were doing it just for the ‘hec’ of it? …. Curiously more than anything else! … Where was I then?

This time, I decided to spend a couple of days in Kunming on my stopover and found the city very much alive and ‘kicking’. I could only imagine that if you could communicate even a little in Chinese (which I didn’t), you could have even more fun, wow. I don’t know. Perhaps my taste and/or approach are different. I like them uninhabited sometime!

Pretty much like the previous experience except, this time I stayed at Three Leaves Hotel (100 Yuan) based on China69's recommendation. The room was decent and comfortable, there was hot water for shower only and only a thermos for hot water for drinking, the security seemed in place, and pretty much as professional as it could get (for that price). I didn’t try the hotel’s option nor did I bring anyone to my room, because I did them on their premises or at the nearby (even) cheaper hotels, but the phone in my room rang at least a couple of times each night asking me (in Chinese) if I wanted massage’ or something. Of course, I am dumb in Chinese and wouldn’t go anywhere over the phone. The post by China69 confirms the hotel is guest friendly.

Nothing to add about the Green Lake area. I checked out the place in the evening hours, on weekday, and there was nothing. I think I could see the missing part here (if there was one!); it is not outside. There must be places where they hang out near the lake. Most likely around the restaurants with western menu or at the bars where men tourists hang out, between the lake and the campus side. I made that much observation but I was hanging out with a woman college student and couldn’t investigate much more at that time. I suspect you have to show up a couple of times and scout the scene to learn if there was actually anything happening or not. For those of you who will be in the area and wish to contribute, that could be one of the things in the list, check out a couple of bars around Green Lake. I think the best time would be around eight o’clock or so versus any time later.

I am pretty sure I saw at one place in the city what I had experienced in Guangzhou a couple of months ago but was already coming back from a feast and didn’t have the appetite to investigate more and when I made it back there later, it was too late. I saw a couple of SW here and there and I saw the cars that were stopping to check them out, so that seems also avaiable for those of you having a car to drive but the quality was not promissing though I saw a cutie on this of the street but couldn't get her attention on foot. …. I was in Kunming only a couple of days ago and now I regret I didn’t plan on spending more time there. … Next time I will have a busy schedule adventuring in the city.

It is very important that you be discrete and stays alert when adventuring in the city especially, after ten, eleven in the evening. I was out pretty late at night and I didn’t feel unsafe at anytime but I don’t drink and am pretty much aware of my surroundings at all times when I am hobbying. …. The hotels deposit requirement at the time of registration is standard but you could negotiate it down sometimes. I even refused to show any ID sometimes and ready to walk away if they didn’t like it. Sorry guys, no news on the clubs or so. Stay cool, keep a low profile, be courteous, ... bargin hard, and things would work out.

[QUOTE=China 69]I walked around the train station area with my chinese friend and found 2 alleys of low quality BBS shops. Since there is a crackdown, I don't know why they aren't shut down too. I would not get a girl from these places personally, but here are directions anyway: Walk north from the train station on Beijing Lu, at YongPing Lu turn right. Its the first intersection north of the train station. I didn't see an english name on the street though. Walk east on YongPing Lu, the street ends at ChunCheng Lu. Before you get to the end of the street, look left there are 2 streets/alleys with shops.[/QUOTE]I suspect this is the same BBS district I discovered accidentally behind the Tea Garden and Jun Gong hotels, near the S. train station. Catch bus no. 47 somewhere along the southern part of Beijing Lou, get off when the bus reaches the end of the line, and look for the red lights. 150 rmb for basic service, BBJ extra.

Zhu Bajie

[Pretty much like the previous experience except, this time I stayed at Three Leaves Hotel (100 Yuan) based on China69's recommendation. The room was decent and comfortable, there was hot water for shower only and only a thermos for hot water for drinking, the security seemed in place, and pretty much as professional as it could get (for that price). ]

Hi,

Can you provide the phone number for this hotel. I plan to visit Kunming this summer, and would be interested in booking a stay at this hotel.

Thanks,
mpfslover

I stayed in Kai Wah in late Jan this year, for 2 nights. The 2nd night I decided to try my luck around.

Went our the main gate at lobby floor (not 1st floor) at about 11pm, turn right and down the dirve. The turn left, went down the road stright. It was a quiet night, didn't found anything interesting during my first round. I turn around and walking bake towards the hotel, then I saw a talk girl in yellow coat. She didn't talk to me so I was not sure if she was who I looking for. Then came another one in white boots, which I like very much.

The price talk was very quick, 150 for ST and 300 for all night. We went back to my room, via the gate at 1st floor (below lobby). There was a security guy but said nothing. Just after we went in the room she started to strip off and I knew I made a mistake - she was just a 6 of look and 5 of body. Then shower, BBBJ, CIM. Good service, 7-8. Then took a rest and chat (I have a Chinese face and speak Mandarin).

Some how she started to talk about her frient, who was in jail for drug. This made me feel very uncomfortable and feel regret for asking for LT. Then we start again. After I off loaded, she said 'I'd better leave now, I have to get up early tomorrow morning'. This was just what I want. The final deal was 200 plus 20 for 'taxi'.

BTW, she told me the LEs are doing crack downs very frequently in that area and one of her friend was cought few days ago in the hotel next door - 'Jin Long Hotel (Golden Dragon)".

Went to Jinghong in southern Yunnan province. There is a big resort hotel in the middle of the city, chinese name is "Guang Guan", english name is "Xishaungbanna Resort".
They have a sauna service for 400RMB where you pick a girl, go into a big room with sauna and shower and bed, the girl showers you and FS all included for 1 hour.
I had been tipped off by another monger that they try and upsell and and ask for more money once you get in the room. At the front desk of the sauna service (4th floor i think?) I specifically made sure that the full total price would be 400RMB with no tip required, and that the girl would not ask for more. 400RMB is alot, I was splurging this time thinking I would get high quality if I spent more. I went and picked the girl and the mamasan told her to not ask for more money, and she promised not to, right there in front of me. Well of course within 5 minutes she was asking for a 400RMB tip! For an oil massage, which was supposed to be included in the original 400. I was really pissed at this point. We haggled about the tip for a long time. I complained that everyone lied and promised there would be no tipping. She got b&tchy, gave me the oil rub anyway and rushed service (btw she was totally hot, about a 9.5 body and face). Then after we finished she demanded a tip anyway saying the oil rub was "extra". I threw 100RMB on the bed and left and complained to the sauna front desk but realized I was wasting my time so I left.
I would avoid this place unless you have lots of money to spend, and don't want to go prowling the streets for BBS's.

IMO it works better to tell the girl you will think about a tip based on the quality of the service rendered and give it to her at the end. If you don't think she deserves a tip at the end, so what, at least she's working for the tip in the meantime and you'll likely never see her again anyway.

Hi China69,

What's the current scene like in Kunming? I'll be going to Kunming on 30-Apr as a company trip so there will be a few fellow mongers. Staying at Wei Long Hotel on Yanhe road for 1 nite only. Could you advise the situation and the LE?

As it's a company trip, we are sharing rooms so we prefer places like BBS and or sauna of prices ranging from RMB130(BBS)~RMB400(sauna).

2nd and 3rd nite will be in Shuang Lu Hotel. Don't know where that is.
We would also like some joints around this hotel or in the hotel itself but usually is expensive.

Thanks.

AM2

Gentlemen,

It looks like I will be moving to Kunming, to live there at least a year. Any suggestions on good places for long-term residents to enjoy women's bodies? The BBSes behind the Tea Garden Hotel are the only places to go that I know at present, and they were cheap but nasty. Any places cheap but nice?

Also, can someone tell me about finding "nice girls" eg, amateurs who like to screw but don't think it means I'll marry them, whisk them off to luxury in America, etc.?

Harold Bell

Would you know the chinese name for Tea Garden Hotel ?
Thanks.

Dear fellow mongers,

I'll be visiting to Kun Ming with my business partner next wed (13th of April). I wish mongers out there would spend a little precious time to reply me with the info for the places to hunt for girls or P2P. I will write the FR as soon as I get home.

Pls don't flame at me for not reading through the thread of Kun Ming. Actually I've read though all of them and realised there was a crack down in late of 04'. So things might be changed a lot. So I hope to get some precious updated information from all of you in order to have a pleasant trip in Kun Ming. Thanks a million.

Regards,

K33

[QUOTE=Erik]Would you know the chinese name for Tea Garden Hotel ?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]The Chinese name is chayuan binguan. It's actually quite famous for the murder of Ye-U Sagaing, the Finance Minister of the Manerplaw-based National Coalition Government of the Union of Burma, who was assassinated there on 27 Feb 1993 (don't know the room number (-:)

If you are no Finance Minister and just an ordinary monger, you should be safe there.
By the way, if you want to treat yourself to some real non-sex pleasure in Kunming, try the Korean Spa on the second floor of the Baoshan Hotel. For just 100 RMB you get hours of pampering (2 hr. full body massage, plus foot-massage, back scrub, cigarettes in the whirl-pool, etc) from some very nice girls. Absolute must for me whenever I go to Kunming. But know you limits! It will probably not be appreciated if you ask for any sexual services.

Have fun in Spring City!

Hello,

I've summarized the place to hunt for girls in the past threads of Kun Ming are as below : 1) South Railway Station. 2)North Xin Ying Residential Area (Xin Ying XiaoBeiQu). 3) Sushi MeiRong MeiFa Ting. 4)Jing Hong Bin Guan. 5) King World Hotel and Jin Hua Da Jiu Dian. 6)Zhong Yu Hotel. 7) Ren Ming Dong Lu intersection turn right. 8) Cha Yuan Bin Guan (Tea garden Hotel).

Pls do correct me if I'm wrong and Pls update me if the above scene was no longer exist. Thank you.

Fellow mongers, pls help me to update those BBS provide sex at their place. It's inconvenient to bring the girls back to my hotel room as I'm going with my business partner. Thanks a million.

Regards,

K33

this thread is dead.

doing a follow-up here. company trip from apr 30th to may 4th.

arrived kunming on apr 30th evening. didn't scout around as plane right was horrible so many ppl had green faces. stayed in wei long hotel first nite and colleagues were patronizing the ktv inside the hotel and having a blast with the girls. i joined but didn't call a girl as not my game.

2nd day, labor day, wisked to a smaller town called jiu3 siang and visited the caves and other sites. checked into shuang lu4 hotel on labor day evening. saw some bbs at the corner of the hotel but didn't take any cuz local tour guide scared me with risks of security breach. fine guess he's not a mongerer. have to find my own hunting grounds.

after dinner on labor day, few colleagues gathered at lobby for mongering activities. previously saw a bbs in the shuang lu4 hotel during our group check-in so 6 of us went and checked it out. the girls were too friendly so no takers. next stop checked out their "sauna". went down narrow stairs and arrived to bump upon 2 chinese mongerers. asked them what data they've collected and 2 of them shared prices. they got a promotion "red" card that brings price of "fast-food" from rmb200 down to rmb160. at last boss greeted us and introduce the facilities. quite nice sauna tub, connected room w/ tv & small toilet, and obviously for fucking session. unfortunately, only 3 rooms available so could not meet 6 of our needs.

4 of the guys wanted to scout around so me and one of my mongering colleague decided to stay and asked to view the girls. the boss incessantly apologized that due to labor day weekend, working girls are few or booked up. he'd have to call and we hv to wait. 20min, he presented 2 very very young girls for both of us. no choice so took them. both dishes are skinny. one wearing white long tight pants w/ matching jacket and her fren was wearing black t-shirt and shorts. nothing to shout about but the 2 girls seemed terrified on their faces.

ok i took the white pants girl while my colleague took the black t-shirt. went into the room and chit-chat a few. she strip and began to fill the tub w/ hot water. i start to realize the gfe is not there but hey, for rmb160, i must not complain. further chatting and she said she's only 17y.o. damn! fucking a minor! that was a first in my life. no choice as the clothes were off so move along. after the tub, dried ourselves, and move to bed. remember, no gfe whatsoever. further investigation found out that 2 of them are from the bbs in kunming and le crack down is still hard so they move to smaller town of jiu3 siang.

so their style is the "fast-food" style so it's in and out. hmmm....sfo has a burger joint that's called in & out during my recent travel. anyway, asked for catbath, bbbj, and she said she doesn't do nor does she know how. damn, my mood was killed. again comforted myself about the price not equalling to service level. i forgot one thing. her phone rang while we were both in the bathtub. she rushed to pick it up and said one of her bbs fren was escaping the cracking down in kunming and came down to jiu3 siang as well and wanted her to pick up. when i was about to start my deed, her phone rang again. i wasn't happy. asked her to lie on bed with me beginning the missionary style. my rod is still limp so the little girl helped with some hj to get it up. once up, she capped me and i inserted. hole is quite loose for a 17yo. pump a few on missionary and then moved to lotus style. control my rhythm and pace on lotus and again her phone rang. she answered and i wasn't happy at all and continue pumping her with variable speed.

after this call, i sternly demanded her to off her phone and she gave in. i was a bit limp already w/ the mood spoilt and my rod was still in her hole. continue to pump and harden again. pump with variable speed on lotus and pump and pump and pump. not cumming. change to doggie and pump with variable speed. still can go longer so move back to missionary for final blow. she didn't object to the different positions but no moans of enjoyment either. the enjoyment factor is not there from these young ones.

final missionary pumping is full speed and hard "flapping" between the 2 bodies. still no moans from her. nevermind just as long as i get my monies worth. hard long pumping and lift off was achieved. took out rod, she tissue it clean, rushed out to clean herself. remember, her fren was waiting for her so she just wanted to finish it fast. oh, she also tried to rush me a couple of times but i took charge to control the pace so she had no choice.

after i washed up myself, dress, i went out of the room. my colleague was still at it. my girl asked for her cut so saw boss gave her rmb100 and she disappeared. boss gave a glass of tea and sat down with me. i started my list of complaints to the max until he really felt bad.

afterwards, my colleague came out and commented that his girl was better and had nice racks. damn! just my nite. gave him the nicer girl.

i won't give my specs of the girl i bang cuz the negatives outweighed the positives. after my colleague came out, chatted more with the boss. i started my negotiations for next nite's activity when my group move back to kunming city wei lung hotel.

see my 2nd report.

am2

may 2nd

had a whole of sites and hectic bus travelling here and there. got back to wei lung hotel by 8:45pm. called the sauna boss in jiu3 siang shuang lu4 hotel as promised to arrange for room service.

mentioned to him to send a better girl this time and he replied a thousand yes. these guys are really.......u'll find out later. read on. asked him to send 2 girls for my choosing by 10pm to my room. the girls will come up by themselves.

waited in my room from 9:15pm till 10pm. i shared room w/ another colleague but he went out for nite shopping with others. anxiously waiting and expecting for stunners. 10pm, bell rang. looked thru peep hole and saw a girl hiding at the side. opened door and saw a rather chubby lady wanted to straight walk in. i pushed her back out of the room and looked out the corridor for a second girl but none. she still trying to get into the room so i just let her in. this lady was chubby. confirmed with her the boss in jiu3 siang sent her and she nodded. sat down on bed with some negotiations. asked her what she can do and she said working in ktv and dun really do outcalls unless she knows the client well. well the sauna boss in jiu3 siang asked her to do a favor so she obliged. asked for her skills so she doesn't do fire & ice bbbj but normal bbbj can do. tit-rubbing and catbath is also inclusive. funny they call tit-rubbing as "pushing oil" directly translated. with these limited skills, i was hoping for full package but opted for "fast-food" at rmb200. she wanted rmb50 for taxi ride, but i counter with rmb10. she complained her taxi ride was rmb18 so i counter with rmb20 and final on the taxi fare i told her. price is agreed and proceed.

she strip and tried to cover her boobs. she's shy about her chubby body and flat ass. shower she insisted separately but i rejected her cuz i dun want her to steal anything. so she jump into shower first and i followed. did a quick shower and dried myself and then she finish showering. the whole time i was around her to guard off any stealing.

finally to the bed and she came on top doing the normal nipple licking and catbath. move down south and she did the ball sucking. quite nite. then follow by bbbj and also quite nice. more stimulation from her boobs to my rod. oh before i forget to mention, i had jacked myself off once before this girl came in order to last longer. so her bbbj and ball sucking skill was above average so my rod came to life. 3 round of bbbj and ball sucking and she cap me. she cg me for a minute and i asked to change position. now i'm ontop so control the pace. missionary a few pumps. change to lotus and varied my speed again. asked for doggie and she refused. fine! move back to missionary for the ultimate pumping of full speed ahead. pumped her hard with her head hitting the bed's headboard. i really gave it all my mighty strength. good abdominal workout too as i can feel the lactic acid build-up in my abs.

finished with a bang and laid on her. i was gasping for air and she hugged me. after a few minutes, released each other and shower. payment afterwards.

am2

Kunming is a modern, large city of about 3 million people. Very few people speak english except at a few upscale hotels. It is a real challenge if you don't speak any Chinese so be prepared for some frustration.

The powers that be don't want a tarnished image of their city so they keep a close watch on everything. Don't expect strip bars and obvious places to meet girls because they don't exist This is not Bangkok so don't act the fool here as the Chinese are not as tolerant as the Thais.

However, as in most big cities any man alone, even a Westerner, won't be lonely very long if you pay attention to your surroundings.

[QUOTE=Erik]Would you know the chinese name for Tea Garden Hotel ?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]Cha Yuan Bin Guan. As I recall, if you catch bus #247 on Beijing Road, take it south to the end, it will let you off behind the Tea Garden, in front of a group of red light BBSes.

It's quite close to the S. train station.

Harold Bell

Hello Kunming Residents, Fellow travelers

I am planning a trip to Kunming, I need some help.

I am thinking of going to HEKOU a small town to Vietnam border. I have been reading some travel sites and I am getting some conflicting reports regarding the train travel.

If someone is living in Kunming or if someone has recently traveled to this outpost, can you please confirm the availability of the train.

Kunming to Hekou

Hekou to Kunming

Train times and train fare info is appreciated.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Member #1210]Hello Kunming Residents, Fellow travelers

Kunming to Hekou

Hekou to Kunming

Train times and train fare info is appreciated.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

No trains anymore. New road but about 8.5/9 hours by bus. One early bus from Hecko is the 8.45am.

Sc

When I went to Hekou I took the overnight bus from Kunming. I would not do this again. I believe the 8:45am bus from Hekou back to Kunming was the one I returned on. It was a much more pleasant trip.

Thanks GWillie,

But when you say "I wound not do this again". Is there any other way to travel from Kunming to Hekou?

[QUOTE=GWillie]When I went to Hekou I took the overnight bus from Kunming. I would not do this again. I believe the 8:45am bus from Hekou back to Kunming was the one I returned on. It was a much more pleasant trip.[/QUOTE]

I am only saying that I would not take the overnight bus again. A daytime "express" bus is a better option in my opinion.

Using info from an earlier post, my buddy and I (in Kunming for the nite) went to the area of King World Hotel. There were several small massage joints in the area but we opted for the Sauna across the side street from the King World. There was a pretty girl greeting us at the the top of the exterior stairs entering the building. My buddy and I sat for a beer in a bar area, watched some local guys enjoying a card game and talked with a mamasan about what services were available. In chinese, she described a few packages, I asked if dzo ai (fs) was included she said no, but using her hands communicated that a handjob was included with the 230 rmb package (includes 90 minute oil massage). My girl was ok, my buddy was quite pleased with his (tipped her 100rmb!). I was told to keep my pajama shorts on til about 20-30 minutes into the massage when the penis and assplay began. she turned out the light and completed a very satisfying hj. Then, the light and my shorts came back on and legit massage continued for almost an hour...curious timing of the climax. My buddy reported similiar experience but he was able to suck some tittie. We were both quite drained from the service and heat of the massage room (clean enough) but managed to drag our asses down to the front desk and then into a taxi. I'd give the experience a B-, maybe a C+.

Where is the good place to stay? May I please know where you had stayed in Kunming? If you would let me know the place and info regarding the rate.

Appreciated

I have stayed ay Kai Wah Plaza for many trips. Service is super. Nice in house massage service either in your room or in the sauna.

Also their is a nice selection of SW's every evening.

Green Land is another nice place.

I was at Holiday inn a few months ago and it has really gone downhill.

'bare

No more SW in front of Kai Wah hotel recently. All cleaned up.

We stayed in the New Era. got a "view room" via ctrip for 470rmb (about $52) per nite. Breakfast with a great view included. From his passport they noticed it was my buddy's birthday so they gave him a birthday cake. nice touch! I recommend.

I stayed at the Kai Wah Plaza 14th June, if i remember correct. 550 kuai elong.net discounted rate.

Just walked down the car ramp, crossed the street, turned right and then walked straight the road about 1 min. A mami approached me for massage and I got a very young looking short girl (prolly "ua" but i didnt care), FS 500 kuai, (I know too much), DATY, but no blowjob. I think her name was Xiao Mei or something and her pussy looked like a baby pussy. I got her number and the number of the BS too. I did not see any SWs there.

Only strange thing was, they wanted the money upfront. I did not agree and managed too pay everything after the deed.

Her skills were ok, but she always looked at the time.

And by the way Kunming is the most boring city I ever been in China. Dont go there, its not worth it.

I am in CQ at the moment, and I really love it.

The reason they wanted the money paid upfront is that link between the girl and the tout is very lose. The touts do not employ the girls, they just get a commission (they try to get 100 Y or more, but if you negociate well they are happy with 50Y) when they manage to find a client for a girl. This is why these bastard women do all they can to try and avoid you contacting the girl directly. If the girls chosses to disapear after you've had the transaction, the tout will never get her commission.

Gentlemen,

I've just come to live in Kunming. Can some residents tell me of places to find good service for a low price? Are the BBSes behind the Tea Garden Hotel still in business? I didn't see any near the N. train station the other day.

Thanks.

Harold Bell

The way I enjoy Kunming is that I carry minimum funds on me when out. A hundred Yuan note in one back pocket and a fifty Yuan note in other back pocket and I wear Jeans (not blue jeans). I carry fifty Yuan or so in smaller bills in my right front pocket and a couple of condoms and small wrapped sanitary towels in my left front pocket. I wear no valuable items on me and I leave my hotel room’s key at the front receptionist desk and go out to the middle of action. Of course, I am propositioned right and left. You could screen almost half of them because the insincere faces give them away.

Sometimes, they want you to follow them. I will go as far as I feel safe, always walking a couple of meters behind them, watching my back and notice landmarks on my way. If they want me to follow them to a building, I would hesitate. First, I check my back to see if any one has been following us second, I let them lead and wouldn’t let them lock a door behind. I am always aware of my exit ‘strategy’. If I ended up fu*king on the premises, I would put my pants where I could see them.

If they take me to a hotel to get room, I would not show any ID or give them any information but make sure they see my money. There are a lot of farm girls or villagers who show up for a couple of days looking for quick money. They may try and do it solo but sooner or later are convinced by pimps to let them handle it. It is among those whom you may find uninhabited ones. A sleazy hotel in south side wouldn’t cost more than forty Yuan per night so, keep it. They will return the deposit to you when you are done. Once, I did it in early afternoon. I simply took a small carrying bag with me with minimum stuff you may need in a hotel room like an extra t-shirt, towel, etc. and stayed in one of those cheap hotels from early afternoon until late evening. I did my stuff and then packed my bag, return the key, picked up the deposit money and went back to my (main) hotel room. No matter where you stay, the phone would always ring several times making you offers.

It may not be the style of a lot of fellow hobbyists but that’s how I enjoy myself when in Kunming. A full service with some tongue shouldn’t be more than seventy on the premises (fifty w/o tongue) or hundred Yuan in a hotel room. If you know even some Chinese, you should be able to enjoy the scene even more. Please do your homework and read (all) previous posts before asking or commenting, thanks.

brother,

you say she was "probably" ****, but you don't care? what a slimy, ****philic attitude to have. you give this whole hobby an extremely big black eye. if you think she's probably ****, guess what ? she's probably ****. if it's too close to call, be a man and decline. don't give us that crap "all chinese girls look young". that adage is appropriate for 30 year old's who look like they are 21, not borderline children. jeez !

you're sick, and posting garbage like that puts this whole website at risk. show some morals, show some class - delete that post.

Bullshit, I think you have a strange fantasy.

I just didnt know how to ask in chinese for ID card.

In the hotel the girl immediatly undressed, started tongue kissing with me and said to me: "I want you, to put your thing in my pussy"

I myself am not old or fat. I look like 19 or 20, but am 28 years old. Thats the truth.

Does that clear up things?

Tianhe Hotel near the North Railway Station on Huanchengbeilu is a great place! The Sauna on the 3rd floor offers most memorable thrilling experiences in China.

Went there at about 10:00PM with my friend. Got undressed for some hot shower, which was great to shake off our drunkedness and got ready for some action. My friend is a regular member of the place and knows everything there. Private rooms are all occupied and we had to wait a larger room with TV. Minutes later, a papasan came over to lead us to a smaller room and a bunch of gals were summoned up for our picking. The gals reported their service number. I picked a cutie and my friend another. They went to the room next door.

Regular showers followed and the cutie was very friendly and a bit talkative. She licked me all over with warm milk in her mouth first and then with ice bj me while asking me whether I could endure her ever-paced strokes. I got very horny. I got into her and began to bang her while she herself welcome the pace. We went on for about 30 minutes and I could see she enjoyed orgasm at least twice. After I shot, she begged me to finger fucked her for my pleasure, which brought me back again soon and we did it another time.

Total damage is 350 yuan, which is worth compared to the service.

[QUOTE=World Traveler]The way I enjoy Kunming is that I carry minimum funds on me when out. A hundred Yuan note in one back pocket and a fifty Yuan note in other back pocket and I wear Jeans (not blue jeans). I carry fifty Yuan or so in smaller bills in my right front pocket and a couple of condoms and small wrapped sanitary towels in my left front pocket. I wear no valuable items on me and I leave my hotel room’s key at the front receptionist desk and go out to the middle of action. Of course, I am propositioned right and left. You could screen almost half of them because the insincere faces give them away.

[/QUOTE]I always do the similar thing whenever I plan to make some adventure to sauna, bar w/ girl or SWs. It's really good for your own safty, in China.

Gentlemen,

My first p4p encounter in Kunming has left me with a wart on my dick. Any suggestions where I might get it removed without too much trouble? I've just moved to the city, and don't know the hospitals, doctors, etc.

Thanks,

Harold Bell

Harold Bell, where did you get that ? In a BBS ? Please tell us more.
I don't know all the hospitals in Kunming, there is the People's hospital (Renmin Yiyuan) which is a big hospital, not far from Beijing lu, by small the river that crossed south Kunming. Ask your hotel reception, they will be able to direct you.

take a flight to HongKong and let it make there

I suggest you try the foreigners section of the Red Cross Hospital (Hong Shi Zi Hui Yi Yuan), its the big green building that you can see from the YuanTong Temple, or the zoo.

I got my wart at a BBS near the south train station. However, I also got several last year, when living in Fujian Province, so it's possible I brought it with me. But I think I got it here.

Harold Bell

They stay in your system forever, just dormant, until a flare up. SO if you had them before, you will almost certainly have them again. Very common and no big deal, just get the little suckers burnt off. Bad for girls though, as they can cause cancer of cervix if undetected. Get rid of them ASAP.
Good luck!

Not sure if its the real thing,,,but there is a sale of Viagra in the Lobby shop of the Harbour Plaza, huge sign, you can't miss it.

[QUOTE=Koay33]Hello,

I've summarized the place to hunt for girls in the past threads of Kun Ming are as below : 1) South Railway Station. 2)North Xin Ying Residential Area (Xin Ying XiaoBeiQu). 3) Sushi MeiRong MeiFa Ting. 4)Jing Hong Bin Guan. 5) King World Hotel and Jin Hua Da Jiu Dian. 6)Zhong Yu Hotel. 7) Ren Ming Dong Lu intersection turn right. 8) Cha Yuan Bin Guan (Tea garden Hotel).

Pls do correct me if I'm wrong and Pls update me if the above scene was no longer exist. Thank you.

Fellow mongers, pls help me to update those BBS provide sex at their place. It's inconvenient to bring the girls back to my hotel room as I'm going with my business partner. Thanks a million.

Regards,

K33[/QUOTE]Hi,

I will be leaving for Kun Ming tomorrow together with a friend and because this will be our first time to China, I was hoping if anyone could give me tips (be it safety, price wise, how to spot a safe place and a not-so-safe place). I will be going the places that you have mentioned above. I am able to speak proper Mandarin but I don't look Chinese.

I was hoping to have a memorable experince there. Any views/advice from any fellow mongers here are highly appreciated!

Thanx again!

[QUOTE=Jen05]Hi,

I will be leaving for Kun Ming tomorrow together with a friend and because this will be our first time to China, I was hoping if anyone could give me tips (be it safety, price wise, how to spot a safe place and a not-so-safe place). I will be going the places that you have mentioned above. I am able to speak proper Mandarin but I don't look Chinese.

I was hoping to have a memorable experince there. Any views/advice from any fellow mongers here are highly appreciated!

Thanx again![/QUOTE]

In terms of safty, rule no.1 will be 'never go with the touts(or taxi drivers)', please do keep this in mind.

Wish you all the luck and enjoy mongering.

HL

[QUOTE=Changshu]I suggest you try the foreigners section of the Red Cross Hospital (Hong Shi Zi Hui Yi Yuan), its the big green building that you can see from the YuanTong Temple, or the zoo.[/QUOTE]I've found the hospital, but not the foreigners' section. More directions, please?

Harold

Hi, Sorry, its actually called the Senior Cadres Section (Gao Ji GanBu ke)

Ask the inquiry person, you will see the desk on the left hand side as you go in the main building.

[QUOTE=Heel Lover]In terms of safty, rule no.1 will be 'never go with the touts(or taxi drivers)', please do keep this in mind.

Wish you all the luck and enjoy mongering.

HL[/QUOTE]I would like a recommendation, for an inexpensive hotel, that a taxi from the airport would know and near streetwalkers, in Kunming.

Try the Hong He Hotel (Red River) it is reasonable and girl friendly. Heck, they even have their own supply inside the hotel. If not satisfied, walk out the hotel, turn left and there will be plenty of sw you can take back to the hotel. The hotel supply is generally better and cleaner. Good luck.

[QUOTE=Dovetail]Try the Hong He Hotel (Red River) it is reasonable and girl friendly. Heck, they even have their own supply inside the hotel. If not satisfied, walk out the hotel, turn left and there will be plenty of sw you can take back to the hotel. The hotel supply is generally better and cleaner. Good luck.[/QUOTE]Hong He Hotel it is! Thanx

Dovetail,
Where is Hong He hotel please ?

Erik

Honghe hotel is three long blocks east of King-World Hotel/Thai Airlines on your right just before reaching Chuncheng Lu intersection. .... My question is that is Dongju Bus Station the one in East Kunming to take the shuttle bus to Yuxi? Could I go direct (or indirect) from Yuxi to Gejiu? Thanks.

World traveller,
It is another station, very close to the Dongju station, if I remember well. If you go to Dongju station and ask, they will point you how to go. Or ask a taxi driver for the shuttle bus to Yuxi.
I am pretty sure there are busses from Yuxi to Gejiu. The brand new east-west highway from Shiping via Jianshui up to Jijie (junction point for onward routes to Kaiyuan, Mengzi and Gejiu) is now open to traffic.

Erik,

I think I found it. How about ‘Eastern Bus Station’ on ‘2nd Ring Road East’? Does it sound more familiar? Is Gejiu pronounced more like’ Ko-chiu’? Thanks again.

Hi dudes,

Any happening place within Spring City itself or nearby? TIA.

I think you are on the right track. Gejiu is pronounces rather like "Ke-tiew", indeed.

Hi all fellow mongers,

Just recently discovered this website by accident, a great webiste by the way and cheers to all the members who've contributed to it. I've been living in Kunming for a year now; however, my mongering experience here is very limited to Sauna only.

Went to this hotel name "Dong Lu Hotel", the sauna is located in the 3rd floor. The same "Sauna Routine" begins when papasan came over and took us to the shower room. Took a shower and was led to a small room then the parade of 5-6 girls were sommoned up for our picking. The girls said her number with enthusiastic smiles. My friend picked a cute one he saw when we entered the premise and suddenly fall in love with, i picked another big boob chic.

When all other girls left the room, the girl started the ice/fire blowjob (my first time), rubed my body over with her boob, licked me from head to toe. After all the licking and rubbing, the bonking followed with her fake moan. The session lasted for about an hour because i don't like her constantly asking for tip. My friend, on the other hand, seemed to be enjoying with his partner. He was still in the room when i part with my girl as i walked pass his roon and could hear a girls's moan coming out of the room. Total damage was 500 RMB each. After all a C+ to B- experience in my book.

Fellow mongers who happen to be in town can PM me for some huntings together maybe.

Cheers,

Gentlemen,

I'm thinking of going sightseeing in the Xishuangbanna, the Yunnan area bordering on Viet Nam, Laos, Burma, in January or February. Any suggestions about where the best mongering opportunities are? I've heard rumors about Hekou and Ruili. How about Jinhong? Other places?

Thanks,

Harold Bell

Was at Spring City a couple of months back. It was totally quiet and all the massages are mostly all clean (even those who comes to the room).

Understand from a driver that most guest from Spring City will come down to Dian Chi (a small town at the foot of the mountain) and go to the ktv at one of the bigger hotel and bring the girls back.

Alternative will be to Yunnan city itself and then back to Spring City.

Mangshi(Luxi) and MoJiang are both good places, in Mojiang last time the hotel rate was 200rmb for FS, but the girl wouldn't do any BJ at all. I think any small area in Yunnan is a good place for cheap girls.

But considering the AIDS problem in these areas just remember to use a condom.

Yuxi is what the previous posts indicated it was so; there is no need for repeated information here. I stayed at a hotel across the street from the gates of the (shuttle express) bus station. The bus company to Kunming is at a different location. There are two hotels side-by-side; I stayed at the one on the left (Shun Lai Hotel). I was given a nice sunny room, 50 Y. Friendly staff, guest friendly, and good security. I also checked out Gao Kuai Hotel later on. Also spacious rooms, good location (60 Y) but I was too lazy to pack and unpack, I stayed with my first choice.

For those of you who like to explorer the scene on foot, like me, you wouldn’t find this scene of crime that way. You have to take either a motorbike (3 Y) or a taxi (7 Y). Most taxi drivers know of the location. If you were a hard-core on-foot explorer, local (mini) bus number four (0.5 Y) would take you very close to the area.

Just as mentioned in other posts, some diplomacy may be needed sometimes (or a lot) to get your choice. They may insist on getting paid first but will drop it in no time. The price is as posted before. I had a couple of unsuccessful attempts to break that price line but had no luck. I encourage you guys to push for a lower price whenever conditions allowed. Try it on a so-so choice, the one that you may not regret if it didn’t go through and see the reaction. I offered 80 Y with no luck. I just couldn’t believe the locals could effort that price. Whoever could get it for a lower price, would receive a bonus report from me! My only complaint was that the median age was a bit too old however, with the selection available, it was not an issue. The service was very good except a couple of bad apples every once in a while who were kicked out immediately. The price of take out is the same as in-house. If you tried it in-house and decided to go back to the same house, they would upgrade the room for you.

If you liked the service, try to stay with the same house as long as possible. I have to admit I tipped (10 Y) a couple of labanniang (s) for having such good selection and service. Actually, I got most of mine from only three, four houses because they had good rotation.

My other complaint was that afternoon delight needed extra effort. The whole place is deserted before dusk though if they discover that there is a demand for it they may accommodate. I never asked for BJ but it was available (not from all) and negotiable. Those who offered it were older and would start with additional 100 Y but drop to 50 in no time. To be honest I questioned the techniques and if it was to completion or not and so forth. Too much effort to communicate it, better yet to forget it. There are places for BJ and there are not places for that, this place was not.

I found the general cost of living (beside hobbying) very reasonable in Yuxi compare to other places with the same or less cost of lobbying. Just a side note, if you ended up taking a taxi late at night, make sure the meter is on and will stay on, or get out. Make sure you carry the address of your hotel with you to show to the taxi driver going back to your hotel. A few times, I took a taxi from my hotel, went to the scene of crime and just asked him to wait ‘till I picked up. Then back to my hotel. After I was done, I would take another taxi with my ‘date’ back and asked him to wait and would pick up another date and back to my hotel again. I did that several times in a row on a couple of nights. I discovered later that it might be better to just pay off the taxi and let him to decide if he wanted to stick around or not. I also learned that I had to watch some of the taxi drivers (very) closely not to prolong the route and never appreciated if they ‘chatted’ with my ‘date’ while driving back to my hotel. I also discovered that when I would ask the taxi to wait, the houses found it as a sign of ready to go, more volunteers would show up. Of course by then I knew which houses I wanted to pick up from. No tipping is required, if you liked the service, taxi money would be appreciated. What I liked about the service was that all dates would turn off the cell phone when providing service, no distraction. If you liked the service, you ask for the cell phone number and they would show up very promptly, even in the afternoon. The best-looking date was from Guizhou apparently, from near Guiyang. That’s another good reason to visit Guiyang. A couple of them were Mao National Minorities, the youngest one was from Sichuan.

I discovered that the big tits ones had so-so bodies. Cute face, nice bust but, so-so body. Actually, all of those who have their tits hanging out use push-up bras. If your taste is to have a couple of drinks while hobbying, I strongly suggest you make an adjustment. I was out late at nights, on streets and in dark alleys but always alert, very private, and I kept my wit to myself at all time. Some taxi drivers were bunch of deprived, jealous SOB’s but I handled them well. After a few days, as soon as I would step out of the taxi. I had a platoon of volunteers to be picked up. It got to a point that I was afraid it might worrisome some of the local customers and I tried to keep (even) a lower profile. My other complaint was that I didn’t appreciate it that not all houses would line up for me like they would when locals would show up. That didn’t bother me much because I was on the right target ninety five percent of the time with my dates anyway. I had few repeated dates (a lot). There were only a handful of them who were deprived of repeated business. I never went bare and kept in mind at all time that it was their job to make me feel special and it was strictly business, (they did a very good job doing it!)

Every time I decided to pack and move on to my next destination, I ended up staying for another day, .. and another day. I didn’t see the go-go dancing place on Nabio Street. I walked that pedestrian road a couple of times, once in the afternoon and once at night. Didn’t see any sign of anything. It is very possible that the place gave in to a new development.

There are several places to visit around Yuxi and the ‘office’ of tourism in the ‘Central Park’ could help you to arrange something. Like I mentioned, afternoon delight would need extra effort (even with the hotel lobby) and you could use other activities to keep busy (and save your energy) for the evening. The best time to visit the scene of crime is at dusk.

I took the recommendation of TA and tried this place. I also recommend Xiajie. If you’re going to be in the area, I think it would be worth the effort, .... a quiet place with good facilities.

As mentioned in the TA’s post, the easiest way to get there would be by a taxi. I think that would be a better option for those who could communicate in Chinese or know enough, I just didn’t want to loose a couple of kg’s being worried if the taxi driver was taking the right route or being up to something else. I took the public transportation.

To get to Xiajie, you could take a shuttle express mini bus (7 Y) to E shue from Yuxi (the transportation center.) It would take about 1/2 hour ride with a couple of short stops in between. When I got to E shue, I took my time and ate at the place next door then I took the bridge (painted white), kept left, passed a row of stopped trucks (idling), and turn left half way in the middle of the block into a fresh produce market place and there were (mini) mini buses shuttles to Xiajie (1.5 Y). Make sure you pack some fruit. This (mini) mini bus dropped me off in the middle of town of Xiajie. I got out and with the help of locals; I hopped on a three-wheel (2 Y) which took me to the village of the hot spring place.

The village is only one road and it is dead end at a couple of resort type hotels. I checked them out and was told 100 Y for rooms facing swimming pools, I moved on. I strongly suggest you stay away from the ‘sleazy’ hotels. Although, they all have hot spring water in the room but the quality and security were questionable, I was told 50 Y for rooms without keys!

I took a room at the resort halfway through the road (60 Y) with a nice courtyard, one outdoor and one indoor swimming pool. Good facility, friendly staff, and good security. Make sure you pack a swimming trunk because you don’t have to know how to swim to enjoy the pools. I liked it and found the place very relaxing and enjoyable, a break from the fast pace of hobbying in Yuxi. I had packed for only one night stay but I suggest you try at least two nights. The only thing that stopped me from staying for a second night was that I had already told the hotel staff in Yuxi that I would be gone only for one night, I also packed enough coffee for only one day! …. And yes I also paid for my hotel in Yuxi for that night. If you decided to go, pack minimum, no valuables, no passport, no nothing, just enough Yuan. Pack enough to keep yourself entertained if necessary. I took reading material and something to puff on!

Of course, there are rows of BBS’s. Talking about concentration of BBS’s. This village is only one (dead-end) road, probably 150 meters long. It is not that wide, say about 16-18 meters wide. If you divide the number of providers available by the square meter of the road, I bet you would get one of the highest concentrations of its kind anywhere, but I didn’t try any.

One, I already had a feast at Yuxi and could use the break to rest my body. Two, the median (not average) age was … too old. Three, talking about stupidity and aggressiveness, as big turn off, they had them all. Once, a senior member mentioned in his post that he found the women of such such place very stupid and illiterate. I thought to myself that when I am on top f**king them I wouldn't be too worried about their IQ’s, now I know I was wrong. If it was just being annoying, loud, shooting themselves in the foot, or just turning off customers (big time), these women did them all. Did these women really think that a single tourist man like me would just stumble to this place? I wish there was someone who could explain that to them. I found eighty percent of them non-f**kable and from their approach, I suspected that most were veterans of bigger cities from when they were younger.

I just didn’t feel negotiating when they would start with 200 Y. Did I look like I was born yesterday? If the price of LT was 120 Y (TA’s post) then it would make sense that the price of ST would be not more than 50 to 70 Y, wouldn’t you guys think so? Perhaps the 200 was the price of LT but I am not into LT (I know TA is opposite), These women were just out of control and loud and as usual, women are jealous of women, if she was not the one to be chosen then she would spoil it for others as well. Perhaps, I was just too full. I decided to save my money (and seeds) for when I go back to Yuxi. I did enjoy myself with what was available and found it very enjoyable.

If you decide to try the place, make sure you have an early start and get there by early afternoon. Try to enjoy what the place has to offer and if you felt lonely at night, turn to the hotel’s management to help you with some company. Otherwise just hangout at the hotel’s ground.

For going back, wait along the road for a three-wheel (2 Y) or taxi (3 Y) to take you to Xiajie. Take the mini bus to E shue and this time you’ll be dropped off right at the bus stop to Yuxi. Again, it may be just easier to take a taxi if you felt comfortable. I would definitely try this place again next time I was in the area, and next time I would plan on staying longer.

I took the only (mini) bus services available from Yuxi to Gejiu early in the morning. It was a four- hour ride with a few stops in between. Got to Gejiu around eleven in the morning. The fog had not lifted yet and it was cold and damped. I have to admit that my first impression was that the city was larger than I expected and the bus station was at the outer side of the city which didn’t help my situation. I got off the bus and had no idea where to start looking for accommodations. I took my chances and walked over some shops next to the station for possible help. All of a sudden one of the shop owners decided to be (acting) travel agent or tour-guide or whatever she was thinking, and jumped to help me. She stopped a taxi and asked me to jump in, I did. She chatted with the taxi driver and we started going through the city. A couple of intersections here, a couple of turns there, and we get dropped off in front of this hotel. The shop owner paid the taxi (7 Y) and led me through the hotel lobby. The staff by the front desk was looking at me with dropped jaws, like I was from another planet. One look at the staff and I knew I didn’t want to be there. I didn’t’ even open my mouth. I paid the shop owner 15 Y and walked out of there fast. I walked outside and saw a bookshop. I went in hoping I could pick up a city map and the salespeople tried to sell me a map of Yunnan with a small map of Gejiu in the corner. I declined and moved on. … Did I have the word ‘stupid’ painted on my forehead and I didn’t know? I got out and saw a local bus (#7) is passing by. I walked fast and caught up with it. For 0.5 Y it was worth to get out of the cold.

As the bus is going through the city, I tried to look for anything, which may resemble a hotel, nothing except one that I thought looked too ‘fancy’ in my standards. The bus stopped at the end of the line and I had to get out. I got out and I found myself back in the bus station, where I had started. This time I went inside the station’s building and wandered around for a few minutes, still not too sure what to do next but I knew I didn’t want to go back to the cold again. I killed some time by inquiring about the schedule to a couple of other destinations I had in mind, still not sure what to do. I took my chances and turned to the station ‘management’ for some possible help, it worked, the ‘top’ manager volunteered to help. He made a couple of phone calls to here and there and wrote something on a piece of paper and led me outside the building. He flagged a taxi and gave him the address and told me how much to pay for taxi and off I went. The taxi went through a couple of intersections, a couple of turns here and there and I am trying to make observation of outside as much as possible. I did notice the same ‘fancy’ hotel I had seen earlier. The taxi stopped at front of a hotel. Guess what, it was the same hotel which I walked out of earlier. I didn’t even get out and asked him to take me to the ‘fancy’ hotel that I had noticed earlier.

I walked through the lobby and approached the front desk. The staff looked me like I was lost. … Why is it that some people are just bluntly stupid? What possibly a foreign tourist with two bags on want, standing in front of a hotel front desk? … A room, wouldn’t that make sense? The staff didn’t know what to do, what to say, …. or just trying to figure out how big a fish I could be for their dinner. They started making phone calls and asking this person to come and that person to show up and wait here and please if possible just bend over. I had never welcomed such mentality and I was not about to start then, I walked out. I remembered that one of the senior members had included in his PM a phrase in Chinese to give to taxi driver to get help with accommodations. I found the note and approached a couple of taxies waiting for passengers near the intersection. The first taxi driver insisted that he would take me to the same two hotels. I tried another taxi and this time he thought he could help, which he did. He took me to a couple of hotels but they openly refused to take me, and I knew I didn’t stink. Finally, he took me to a hotel with 100 Y rate. The lobby looked as big as the rest of the hotel itself. The staff was just terrible, They acted like they were God’s given gifts to this world, I bared with them. I looked at a couple of rooms and they were below standard conditions for that rate, damped and cold with no heat. I was almost desperate, I okayed it. Went downstairs to register. They asked me to do this form and that form and show this and give that plus 500 Y deposit and you don’t even have to bend over. I just couldn’t finish it with them and walked out.

I was tired and hungry, decided to go get something to eat. I walked in to a place and tried to communicate with the cook/staff what I wanted to eat. I saw a lot of head nodding and shaking but very mechanically! All of a sudden, a (decent) Chinese couple came through and started arguing with the cook and the rest. They motioned me to follow them out and they would take me somewhere else. Apparently, the cook and his staff, knowing I wouldn’t understand, were openly discussing how much they could milk me, … before serving the food! I went to another eating-place and got something simple to eat. I looked at my watch and discovered that if I was quick, I could still make it to the bus heading out to one of my next destinations. I went back to the bus station, got a ticket, and left Gejiu four hours after I had arrived.

I had never encountered so many dishonest, just plain stupid, and greedy people in such a short time. Well except in Beijing. In Beijing, they pause for a second, zoom in, and -boom, they go for the throat. I never regretted not spending enough time in Beijing. I know I might have been quick to make a judgment but if that was the start in Gejiu, I just couldn’t see myself going through the settling and getting to know the scene. After all, I had just left Yuxi.

On a different note, I found Gejiu and its architecture and city layout very interesting. Not like other cities with conventional grid roads. There were narrow streets and actual turnabouts ... and I saw only one side of the lake. The crowd was just annoying, school kids everywhere with pre-moddana attitude, I wish I could kick their butts. They knew some English and they befriended me just to practice their English. Otherwise everyone else was just ‘tim bodon’! ... even before I opened my mouth. I promised myself that from then on, I would include detailed information on accommodation in my reports. Not just a phrase to give to taxi driver. Since when we have to rely on taxi drivers for accommodation when we this board, f*** y** a**.

Ge Jiu people have quite a bad rep here in Yunnan, but I was suprised that you got such bad treatment there, maybe you should head for MoJiang, also many girls, but because its a touristy town (for the Cancer of Capricorn festival time) you can find heaps of hotels there easily.

World Traveller,
I am so sorry you did not have good time in Gejiu, as I always have had. I never had any problem with cheap friendly hotels, I only recognize it is difficult to find a decent restaurent. Why didn't you post me or PM me when about to arrive there, I would have given you tips to find quickly a hotel. This is why this forum is done, isn't it ?
You are not talking aboout the scene you have found (or not found ?) there ? Desappointed also ? Tell me.

I also dont like Kunming and Yunnan. Its very undeveloped, 3rd world. Very hard to get around without speaking chinese. Yunnan people are cold and not friendly at all.
There are dozens of better places in China.
I wasted 1 month in Yunnan during my last 5 monts china trip. I was very happy after i left that stupid province.
However its cheap cheap cheap and so are the people. Also many white backpacker trash around.

You must be someone very special then that you can afford to talk in this way ??

Chopsticks,

Yunnan is very much different to other parts of China, the Chinese dialect here is difficult to understand and public transport etc is under developed, but for the amount of ethnic minorities girls available (at good prices) I would have thought that from a ISG perspective that Yunnan was a great place.

In all parts of China I have found that Chinese can be nervous about speaking to Lao Wai, in Yunnan even more so, but most often once you break the ice then they are far warmer than in Shanghai or BJ.

Different people have different feelings about any place they visit, however I was surpised that if you found Yunnan so awful why did you spend a month here?

Also perhaps half of the white back packers are female? Good freebie oppotunites!

I've been through Kunming a few times but never ran across much street action walking around a half dozen blocks from my 3 star hotel. I strictly budget travel and have gotten 200 yuan long time in other parts of China. Can that be found anywhere around Kuming without going after total skanks?

Changshu - because i rented the flat for 1 months and payed infront.
I also travelled to Dali and Lijiang in summer (Lonely Planets secret tips - LOL). I met some german tourist and they were also very disapointed. Both places are just so-so.
And if you dont speak and listen at least a few dozen chinese words they rip you off !

Althought i found a nice budget Hotel in Lijiang, which had a BBS just in the Hotels court yard, decorated with christmas stuff.

Landscape in Yunnan is nice, but you need a private driver to show you that things.

I think the first shop owner acting as a travel agent and the look on the first hotel's staff were so disappointing that I could not think straight anymore. The da*n cold, damp, foggy weather wasn’t helping much either. It felt like being hit left and right without getting a chance to recuperate. Another thing is that I had limited myself to only two carrying bags (for a couple of months of traveling) but both stuffed to the limit and too heavy to carry for too long, I was physically exhausted. Did I mention that the night before my departure to Gejiu, I was f*cking away until I left in the morning? Actually, I got one hour of sleep.

I wouldn’t have been able to access Internet to inquire or ask for help (I should have). I am saying I couldn’t find a place to stay or rest period, forget about Internet. (Erik) In your PM you didn’t mention anything about accommodations (you always do) and I guess I shied away from asking again. Later on, I also heard more good things about the scene in Gejiu from locals which made me even more depressed about the lost opportunity. After all that planning and effort, I ended up staying only for four hours in that town. I still like what is available in Yunnan.

On a different note, I have not checked my PM’s yet (I’m still traveling) but I know I don’t write stories, I post my experiences and observations. Just an effort to give back what I take from this board …. and it would be much easier not to.

Any info on Lijiang ? I plan a trip soon. I want to see the young Bai ethnic girls in their own environement. They are so hot !
Unlike some people here, I do love Yunnan, all right it is poor and backward, but it is the face of true China.

Erik:

I've only been to Lijiang once for a night and the only P4P action I ran across was at the sauna in the Yulong Hotel right on the edge of the old city. The girls on offer were from Shenyang and 5-6s for 400 RMB ST so I passed. Actually, the sauna is legit, but the manager had the girls on call. IMHO, unless you cannot find anything better or are desperate for action, this is not recommended.

Having said that, Lijiang is full of normal girls on holidays and extended stays. The place is very conducive to romance so I reckon given enough time you can score freebie action. There are many small bars and cafes in the old city just full of potential. As you probably know, Naxi women are known for hard work to support the Naxi men who do nothing. Interesting twist!

OAH

[QUOTE=Erik]Any info on Lijiang ? I plan a trip soon. I want to see the young Bai ethnic girls in their own environement. They are so hot !
Unlike some people here, I do love Yunnan, all right it is poor and backward, but it is the face of true China.[/QUOTE]

Thank you.
What about the scene in Dali ?

Walk out of Dali town through the West Gate, up hill towards Cangshan mountain on Hu Guo Lu. Right outside the gate a block or 2 is a small red-light district (5-10 shops). Stroll around there and you might find some cheap action. I never saw anyone I liked so I never tried any of them.
After 10pm try the intersection of Fuxing Lu and Renmin Lu. There were some decent looking streetwalkers there hitting on tourists, last time I was in town.
Like Lijiang, there are plenty of eligible single girls in Dali that you can get friendly with.

I started my trip with Yuxi and it was only fair to end it with going back for a second visit. I had to get more of those cuties. This time I stayed at Gao Kuai Hotel (60 Y). I arrived in late afternoon and went at it the very first night. I just had to get more of what was out there. Erik has a good name for them. He calls them ‘Chinese *****s’ and that’s what they are.

The second day, an afternoon delight followed by a couple of fresh faces in the evening and night. The following day, I had two afternoon delights. The second one hung around after I was done and by the time she left, it was close to seven in the evening. I waited until ten o’clock to take a taxi to visit the crime scene. I got there and the shops were all closed, streets pitch black! Some gals walking around in groups of three or four, some customers wandering around and calling on each other, … I took the same taxi back to my hotel. Right away, I suspected my hotel might have something to do with it. I went to the neighborhood again next afternoon and the whole place was deserted. Then, I know my hotel had something to do with it (PM for details). I went back to my hotel, packed, and moved to Shun Lai Binguan.

You see, Gao Kuai Hotel has this nice, specious lobby that is partially leased to a travel agency with a few young women staff who have to stare at their computer’s screen all day long waiting for customers (who weren’t that many of them) to make a living. The hotel’s manager also uses the lobby to entertain some guests or clients; there are nice couches and also a magazine rack. And here I was, using the lobby as a personal playground by sneaking young women in and out of my room. It might have been a bit too much for them. The hotel is guest friendly alright but it is possible that I abused the privileges a bit. ….. When it comes to hobbying, I take no prisoners. Anyway, the message is that if you could limit your hobbying to after ten o’clock at night, Gao Kuai Hotel is a good choice.

So, I moved to Shun Lai Binguan where I had stayed during the first visit. Shun Lai Binguan has a small BBS on the premise; it is run by a (lazy) forty year laobannaing whom I think she cannot even read. During the first visit, I supplemented my menu with the only two decent staff she had. I knew if nothing else, I could get it there this time too. The hotel’s staff seemed happy to see me back and I ended up staying clear of the crime scene for a couple of days. After that, I took a taxi and went there after ten o’clock one evening. There were only a handful of shops open with some having the shades half way closed. I was able to snatch a couple of decent ones but the rule was that I would go back to my hotel and she would follow me, which she did. The next night I went back and there were a lot more shops open, oh good. After that night, it was a full house except a couple of shops still closed. Back to business, hobbying all day but trying to be a bit discrete, ….. one afternoon I stayed in!

Again, the youngest and cutest one turned out to be from Qianxi, north of Guiyang. One more good reason to visit Guiyang in the future. These *****s are specialized in making each one of us customers unique and important when they are with us … ‘till next customer. So, I gave them a taste of their own poison. I treated each one of them very special and made her feel like she was the only one. Each got a separate treatment nothing like others shared in their own gossiping circle. … And they fell for it. Two out of five wanted to follow me to my next destination. One wanted me to get her pregnant so she could have my baby. … Yeah, like I’ve waited all these years only to give another basted to this world. One wanted me to be her boyfriend. …. Yeah, only if you let me keep f**king away. One wanted me to give her a signed photograph of myself. … Why not just post it on Most Wanted flyers!

My question is that when one of these cuties offers or asks to go traveling with you, how would it work out. The cost of transportation and lodging are no problems. Some shopping is no problem. What else? Would they expect to be paid? .. On what basis. I guess too much to communicate not knowing the language but I wouldn’t mind to take one of them to Xiajie next time. If anyone had such experience please share with the rest of us?

One night I was going for a second round, as I was trying (desperately) to add to my menu before it would get boring. I was walking toward this shop with a huge window but only one inside. Right away, points off because the thrill of choosing would not be there. As I got closer, the laobannaing approached me and started marking her worker inside …. and I was trying to pass her as quickly as possible. In one quick motion the labanian gestured that the gal would lick, … I went inside to get a closer look. Not only the gal was the total package, … she would also suck! .. How much? … yibai. Off we went to my room. Not only this beauty was the total package and would suck, she had excellent talent and was a lovely sweetheart. I kept her (almost) three hours, two pops, two hundred plus tip. She promised she would show up the next afternoon but she never did, … bit*h. She told me she was from Shenyang. After I looked up the place on the map, I realized what was special about her features, … her Korean looks. Anyone else could add to that.

It is amazing what desperation times may make some us do. On the second or third night of the blackout, I decided that I was not going to take any hunger and had to do something about it. In the evening, soon after dusk, I put warm clothes on, wore comfortable shoes, took seventy plus Yuan, a condom and a wipe, left my watch in the room, left the room key at the front desk, and disappeared in the dark alleys of the central district, PM for more details.

The last night of my staying, I treated myself to a foursome (220 Y), only one pop. I had already done each one of them before so I knew what to expect. A threesome would have been 160 Y. .... I rarely do that because I always found it too much to manage! No matter what, the constant babbling would never stop and by the time you get the last one in the right position, the first one starts pulling back! Still, they were very willing and cooperative. On the last day, I got up, finished packing, showered, cleaned up, took coffee, and then a take out. Sent her off, got something to eat, took the bus and left Yuxi with so many good memories.

A couple of observations: local (mini) bus #8 would take you to the heart of the neighborhood and some taxi drivers were still jerks. Yuxi is a small town and there is not much to do for fun specially if you don’t drink. I didn’t see any good-looking girl or woman in the crowd (and I walked a lot). I was going to say maybe one in twenty but even that would be exaggerated … not that I am that good looking myself! There were several KTV’s but that’s not my style and men always overwhelmed the only Disco in town. I had a couple of *****s with everything fine except their thighs and legs, bruised. Wouldn’t that be sign of drug use? I stayed clear of those shops and I always used protection.

I preferred the Yunnan Express to the Shuttle Express. For ten Yuan more, you get a lot more for your ride from/to Kunming. There is one bus leaving every 30 minutes (or so). I also checked out Jia Yuan Binguan (60 Y) located two (long) blocks west of the Kunming Bus Company. It may be a better choice for when it is warmer because the rooms don’t get much sun. I think if I were serious, I could have asked for 50 Y because for 60 Y, Gao Kuai offers much more. One good thing about this trip was that I learned how to bypass Guangzhou and Kunming all together.

World Trav.,
Actually, I just realized at the main bus station near Kunming train station, they also have coaches for Yuxi.

Hi all.
I am going to Dali end of February, If anybody has any sound info i need it would be much appreciated .
Eg. Girl friendly hotels, nightlife , what to be weary of etc.
All input will be appreciated.
Please send all replies to my inbox.
Also i need to know how long is the train travel and airtravel to yunnan from Shenzhen, and what form of travel would be recomended by fellow bro's, as it is the first time i am going to Yunnan (Dali)

Ps. Erik i tried to email you but your mail box is full, come on lad clear some of that shit out of there.

JKD

Dali does not have a very interesting sex scene, maybe more in Xiaguan, I am not sure. In old Dali, there is one short street outside the north gate with KTV and girls to choose, but all dogs. There was also a heavy police presence in town.

I have started clearing my mail box.

I've read through the previous posts - and was interested in trying out services at a BBS in Kunming. The only problem - is that I'm not that experienced at spotting one.

I understand that the area around the main train station is good - and I've seen a few places that offer masage / foot massage - are these the places that have been referred to as BBS - or should I be looking out for the blue and red twirly sign ??

Any specific recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

Also - if anyone has the latest on the scene around Green Lake Park - that would be great - cheers.

The only BBS that I have seen in Kunming that look like they offer extra services are on the outskirts of town, good if you have a car, there is one street between Ma Jie and the highway near West mountain that was full of BBS.

Alternativly, go to a sauna and see what is available, saunas are all over the place and perhaps a better option in Kunming??

Either way with all the AIDS in Yunnan make sure you go covered.

Changshu

Could you be a bit more specific about the location for BBS scene please? In outskirts of the city, in what direction please? Any landmark nearby, would it fall within the limits of a city map you think? .... Would you know anything about the scene in Guiyang, the Guizhou province? Thanks.

Hi, I was asked in a PM for the same info, here is it: It is off the Bi Ji Lu that leads from the Renmin road all the way to the west, then you turn left to the new long straight road "BiJi Lu". The road with all the BBS was on one of the smaller roads that is between this new straight road and the highway to Anning. I am not sure of the bus numbers, perhaps a bike would be most useful? There is a new coach station there called "West mountain area" long distance station.
I have also seen seedy looking BBS behind the DaGuan park, (when you see the main enterence follow the small road to the right). But I must say that I have never used these BBS in Kunming, so I can't tell you if you will be happy with them!
Also on the hill from HuangTuPo to XueFu road I have seen BBS.
Don't know anything about Guizhou,

Cheers

Hi all,

Does anyone familiar with the massage shop here in Kunming ? How to distinguish those with FS from the legit ones ? I have been trying to find the one which provide HJ and BJ but failed. Do we need to use specific term to communicate what i want. I only want a nice BJ for quick release. My experiences so far in Kunming are in saunas. However, if you guys want a night out in Kunming or going to KTV are welcome to PM me.

Lenghushong

I have not visited in 2 years but there was a great, full service spa on floor 7 of the Kai Wah Hotel.

ask for "tui you" in a sauna, once the girl is there then ask her to BJ.

"Tui You" is HJ

normally 1 hor massage is a normal massage

2 hours is HJ

3 hours in some places is FS

[QUOTE=Lenghushong]Hi all,

Does anyone familiar with the massage shop here in Kunming ? How to distinguish those with FS from the legit ones ? I have been trying to find the one which provide HJ and BJ but failed. Do we need to use specific term to communicate what i want. I only want a nice BJ for quick release. My experiences so far in Kunming are in saunas. However, if you guys want a night out in Kunming or going to KTV are welcome to PM me.

Lenghushong[/QUOTE]

Changshu ,

You seem to be familiar with the scences here but can you specify the massage shop that can provide such services (HJ, BJ) ? the street and the name of the massage place would be much appreciated.

Lenghushong

[QUOTE=Changshu]ask for "tui you" in a sauna, once the girl is there then ask her to BJ.

"Tui You" is HJ

normally 1 hor massage is a normal massage

2 hours is HJ

3 hours in some places is FS[/QUOTE]

I think any sauna in Kunming will have this service if you ask.

Once place that looks good is the sauna to the left of the zoo (As you look at the main enterence it is on the left side towards Yuantong temple).

Better to find a place close to where you live, I find I am so tired after a sauna I can barely stagger home!

Thank you again. I saw some sauna establishments close to where i live looking from the outside they look like the legit places but maybe i am wrong. I will try them.

The setup with saunas normally is the fancier place the prettier the girls and higher costs, but most offer the same services, otherwise no one would visit, this is especially true for the more fancy places.

Once you have put your clothes in the locker you will go for a shower in a room where you can bath, sauna, rub down etc. Relax at this stage.

Then when you are done there you will put some pajamas on and go to a rest room. Then a manager (normally a lady) will ask you what you want, ask her what they have, Tui You is a standard term (for HJ) but they may have many different terms for services. Make sure you are clear on prices before going in with a girl. No need for a tip (and they can't take it, plus you are without your wallet). but the price that you pay when you leave the sauna can't be negotiated down after the deed. If you don't like the girl that they give you ask for another.

After you are taken to the room with the girl,,do want you want. Then either return to the waiting room or back to the shower area then get dressed and pay. Often you can sleep in a waiting room overnight if you want for no extra cost, but you have to pay first, this is a cheap hotel!

Charges are like this
1. Using the sauna facilities (shower etc) is about 30rmb, this is the basic cost you will pay, if you don't use anything else then thats the price when you leave.
2. rubdown about 20rmb
3. when you use pajamas with new underpants about 8rmb you can also buy a new set of pajamas if you are really fussy.
4. drinks snacks, pay as you use
5. extra massages ear picking, foot massage see 4.
6. special service prices are normally set by massage hours (actually 45mins).

So an innocent trip to the sauna with only item 1 is cheap, then if you want in some places you can stay the night.

I have found Kunming disappointing this time. more BBS closes in the train station area, Xinying beiqu area completely closed down, Jinxing xiaoqu had half-open BBS, but I got some anti-foreigners reactions from the papasans. They claim we have too big dicks and the girls are unable and unwilling to accomodate us, but I feel they might just be afraid that Foreigners spread the information of their illegal industry all over the world, and that would have bad implications on them. As if the local police was that stupid...

The place where I have had real good time is Ruili. More alive than ever. At night, your hotel room telephone does not remain silent for more than 5 minutes. The selection in the BBs street is not bad, I had only very willing sex stars, one Sichuan little pepper, one Jingpo ethnic girl (no BJ), one Dai ethnic girl, and another Han sweet babe. Price for ST for locals is 100 Y but for foreigners they try to make it 150. For BJ, they also try to impose an extra 50 Y. It all depends on your competencies on negociations.

I have Ruilli on my list for a long time. How did you get there form KMG ?
Is there anything you can do besides fucking ?
Can you recommend a Hotel ?

[QUOTE=Chop Sticks]I have Ruilli on my list for a long time. How did you get there form KMG?

Is there anything you can do besides fucking?

Can you recommend a Hotel ?[/QUOTE]There are buses leaving every few hours from the West bus station, near Yunnan Uni., etc. Probably there are buses leaving from the other bus stations as well. The ride was supposed to be 14 hours long, if I read the board right.

Probably there will be a hotel at the bus depot. Lonely Planet Guide lists several hotels and also things to do around town.

There are many filghts to Mangshi (also called Luxi) airport, head of Dehong prefecture. Mangshi is more that 100 km away from Ruili. Two solutions :
1 - A lot of taxis at the airport run specially to Ruili, the deal is to share a cr with 3 other passengers, each of you paying 50 Y. The drivers tout around to find 4 passengers. If can of course book a taxi for you alone if you pay 200Y. Ih and half drive to Ruili.
2 - take a taxi (negociate 15 to 20 Y) to Manshi bus station, then take the local minibus (20 or 25 Y) to Ruili, 2 hours drive.

[QUOTE=Chop Sticks]I have Ruilli on my list for a long time. How did you get there form KMG ?
Is there anything you can do besides fucking ?
Can you recommend a Hotel ?[/QUOTE]


to chop stick

Ruilli is a long way from kuming , It is a border town a trading post for Lao and
burma , it has the highest hiv rate in whole china and there is nothing else to
do other than shop for craft from Laos , there are only a few low end hotel in town not a place you need to stay overnight .

fast eddie 48

Sorry, Faast Eddie, you may have travelled a bit too fast through Ruili. First, it has nothing to do with Laos, maybe you are confused with Mengla or Mohan. Second, Ruili has plenty hotels of different categories, girls in all of them, quite a good selection of BBS. the only thing I don't like there is that the airport is far away (in Mangshi).

[QUOTE=Erik]Sorry, Faast Eddie, you may have travelled a bit too fast through Ruili. First, it has nothing to do with Laos, maybe you are confused with Mengla or Mohan. Second, Ruili has plenty hotels of different categories, girls in all of them, quite a good selection of BBS. the only thing I don't like there is that the airport is far away (in Mangshi).[/QUOTE]

which one (Hotel) can you recommend ? Price ?

Jiuzhou hotel. Clean rooms for 100 Y. Very well situated, good Thai restaurant in front.

I will be cruising around Yunnan and some of south China soon. Now in Chongqing. Any mongers out there doing the same. PM me and maybe we could link up. My area knowledge and Chinese are fair. J.

I also can say if will find a girl in Kunming go to Gundou (Kuntu). Every taxidriver knows this place. There are some discos and it is a good spot to look for girls . I normally go often to the disco "Babi" and I have a lot of fun there. Normally I am the only foreigner there and it is easy to contact girls. Some are professionals costs are around 150 yuan for one pop and you can find a non professional and it doesn't cost anything but this normally depends on your chinese skills. ( I am learning chinese in Kunming)

And there is also a place where you can find some girls. But I don't know exactly the adress, I have to ask a friend. We only call this place dangerous area because it coul be a little bit dangerous there.

If somebody wants this adress, you can send me an pm.

Welcome on the forum mate. I have the feeling we are going to do good job together.
Gundou ? Kuntu ? Do you mean Kundu ? Isn't that the complex of discos on Jinbi Road ? I have been there but found difficult to score as this is the kind of place where girls go in groups withe male and female friends and are not precisliy expecting you. I am surprised you manage to get professionnals for 150 Y in those places. That's very encouraging, please tell us more.
Thanks.

Stayed at the above recently. 4 star place, decent rooms and service, not a bad hotel overall.

Of course, if tou wanted to know that, you'd go to a hotel listings. More interesting is the sauna/ spa where, as you;d expec, FS can be had for 800 RMB. They basically take you to a room with massage table and red rope, the girl (mine was from Chongqing, young and quite pretty) will come in, and do the usual cat-bath, rimming, BBBJ and FS, not GFE, but also not too mechanical and with quite a bit of creativity. All I can say is that "Pop Candy" will never be the same again for me. Definitely worth while.

Hotel also has a decent looking KTV. Checked it out very late and the girls left were only so so, but I saw some decent ones wandering around.

Hotel also has girls hanging around outside approaching you. Not attractive.

I will be in Kunming for the first time in next few days and will stay in downtown. I’d like to have some pretty girl(s) to spend some nights with me as well as showing me around. Is there any good place and/or escort service around I can use to find them (I can speak fluent Mandarin)? Will very appreciate for any input!

[QUOTE=Doublecuff]I will be in Kunming for the first time in next few days and will stay in downtown. I’d like to have some pretty girl(s) to spend some nights with me as well as showing me around. Is there any good place and/or escort service around I can use to find them (I can speak fluent Mandarin)? Will very appreciate for any input![/QUOTE]Doublecuff-

I spent 5 days in Kunming and managed to get laid every single day. The longer I stayed and wondered around the more opportunities I found. I saw no formal escort service but there were massage girls in every major hotel I visited and I was approached several times on the street at night. Some of the girls were just ok but some were above average. I don't speak a word of Mandarin so if you are fluent you will have no probelem as I struggled to communicate but still managed.

BB

Now I'm in Kunming, and within 1 or 2 days I'll go to Ruili.

Is anybody around here, and like to explore these cities?

Just a word of warning, was in YuanJiang last week, was sitting in the car on the passenger side, window down, driving through town, a motorbike with two guys passed us on my side, they looked in the car and then slowed down, I thought they were just locals having a look at the Laowai, but when they overtook us I saw the the guy on the back of the bike had a big kitchen knife in his left hand. They drove in front of us for a few mins so I had a good look at them, we weren't too sure what they were up to, they happened to go into the same restuarant courtyard that we went into, I thought they might have been cooks there, but then they did a U-Turn and left.

I can only guess that they were cruising around to see if they could knock off a bag or a watch from me as my hand was outside the window.

Anyway guys, this has made me think about things a bit and for you guys who are having fun in drug addict areas like Yunnan need to think about security a bit.

Just so you guys don't lose hope for Yunnan.

Was in Mojiang last week, stayed in the Golden Sun hotel, got a great fk from the hotel supplied girl (ie she called my room and asked nicely if I needed a fk), 150rmb Tai Fei, then gave her 100rmb tip as the two shots I got and services provided were well above average. If you don't give a tip then thats OK too. I have never got a BJ from the girls in this area, not sure if I need to push them harder or just lack of training,,,

Kunshan, apart from this bad experience, please update us on the scene in Yuanjiang, where I have only good souvenirs. How about the BBS area on the other side of the river ?

Comparatively to Yuanjiang, I felt less secure in Mojiang, where at night drunken Hani guys like to fight with drunken Dai guys. I also had difficulty to find a f...k in this city.

There are a lot of blatant brothels on Yu'er Lu in Dali old town. Some of them call themselves Tea Room, some don't, but it's not important. Walking down the road in the evening, you'll see a lot of places with pink lighting and girls sitting around on sofas. Usually they only have one slat of the door open. There must be at least ten of them, on both sides of the road. This is the western (tourist) side of town, roughly between Bo'ai Lu and Fuxing Lu , though they may extend further. To be honest I'm surprised it's so blatant, in such a big tourist destination. I didn't look too closely at the quality, or make any enquiries, because I'm not in the mood, but it's definitely there.

I'll post a detailed update on Yuxi soon. Yuxi is still alive and kicking, I wrote a report in a net cafe but the damn thing must have timed out and I lost it all.

Sorry Erik,

Didn't spend more than a few hours in YuanJiang so didn't suss out the chicks.

Just arrived in KM and will be settling here. I have posted quite a bit on the Beijing Board and as I learn about the city of eternal spring, plan to post here as well. Any tips to get started are appreciated. I particularly like saunas.

Gate:
I have not been in KMG for a couple of years, but when I was there, I always found the sauna at the Kai Wah hotel to be an outstanding experience.
'bare

I cant explain it but some days, I wake up with a huge hardon and feel horny as hell. Today was one of those. Had to pick up a relative at 3 PM but did not want to be walking around all day looking like there was pistol in my pocket, so I headed to this place referred by a fellow member.
The Nan Jiang Hotel is at 241 Dong Feng road. The sauna is on the second floor. It opens at 1 PM. Dont know when it closes. Price for bath, rest area and full service is 500. Fairly clean compared to Beijing and Shanghai saunas. After the shower, was led to the rest area where I sat for about fifteen minutes drinking free coffee (not bad). Then I was led to a room and three lovelies were displayed. I chose the one with a sly smile, names Wang Yan, number 26. The room is equipped with bars for the red rope games, a huge inflatable ball and a large bathroom with tub and shower. Wang Xiaojie taught me some tricks. After we bathed each other (second bath for me), she had me lie facing down. She uses a warm solution of some sort for the erotic massage which is done first with her hands over my back, buttocks, arsehole, then with her lovely shaped breasts tipped with long dark nipples, then with her ass. Then a tongue bath concentrating on the back of my thighs and buttocks and the soles of my feet ( This was strangely erotic). Then some fabulous rimming. Then she inserts something small and hot into my butt hole and fucks me with it. I dont think it was her finger but it felt good. Then flip over for very nice tonguing of my balls and BBBJ. During the BJ, I grabbed her behind and licked and sucked her pussy until she cried. Then she makes a hammock with the silk "ropes" and sits in it, has me stand in front of her. While she swings forward and backward, I fuck her standing up. This was interesting but not really so comfortable so I had her lie down for missionary. Deep long kissing while I exploded. She kept going after I came for five minutes and also came. I was in a hurry to get to the airport so I told her I would take the inflatable ball lesson some other time. I like Kun Ming.

[QUOTE=South Gate]I cant explain it but some days, I wake up with a huge hardon and feel horny as hell. Today was one of those. Had to pick up a relative at 3 PM but did not want to be walking around all day looking like there was pistol in my pocket, so I headed to this place referred by a fellow member.

The Nan Jiang Hotel is at 241 Dong Feng road. The sauna is on the second floor. It opens at 1 PM. Dont know when it closes. Price for bath, rest area and full service is 500. Fairly clean compared to Beijing and Shanghai saunas. After the shower, was led to the rest area where I sat for about fifteen minutes drinking free coffee (not bad). Then I was led to a room and three lovelies were displayed. I chose the one with a sly smile, names Wang Yan, number 26. The room is equipped with bars for the red rope games, a huge inflatable ball and a large bathroom with tub and shower. Wang Xiaojie taught me some tricks. After we bathed each other (second bath for me), she had me lie facing down. She uses a warm solution of some sort for the erotic massage which is done first with her hands over my back, buttocks, arsehole, then with her lovely shaped breasts tipped with long dark nipples, then with her ass. Then a tongue bath concentrating on the back of my thighs and buttocks and the soles of my feet ( This was strangely erotic). Then some fabulous rimming. Then she inserts something small and hot into my butt hole and fucks me with it. I dont think it was her finger but it felt good. Then flip over for very nice tonguing of my balls and BBBJ. During the BJ, I grabbed her behind and licked and sucked her pussy until she cried. Then she makes a hammock with the silk "ropes" and sits in it, has me stand in front of her. While she swings forward and backward, I fuck her standing up. This was interesting but not really so comfortable so I had her lie down for missionary. Deep long kissing while I exploded. She kept going after I came for five minutes and also came. I was in a hurry to get to the airport so I told her I would take the inflatable ball lesson some other time. I like Kun Ming.[/QUOTE]I live in kunming part of the year and it is nice to know about a nice massage with FS around 500rmb. Most larger hotels (e.g., Bank Hotel) charge 800.

Of course, you can always find street walkers at night near the club area for 150 to 300 rmb. But they are a "hit and miss" bunch.

Enjoy

[QUOTE=LuvumBare]Gate:
I have not been in KMG for a couple of years, but when I was there, I always found the sauna at the Kai Wah hotel to be an outstanding experience.
'bare[/QUOTE]At Bank Hotel, I paid 800 rmb for FS at the sauna. How much did you pay at Kai Wah Hotel? Also, Bank Hotel has a KTV club.

Luvum, Undercover, Kunshan, Thank you all for your help in getting started here. I have only three experiences during my trips here, the Nan Jiang Hotel sauna which I just described in a post, the Tian He hotel sauna which was a bit more expensive (I remember 600) and not nearly as good and a streetwalker who I met near the Kings World Hotel whom I became attached to after spending a few days with. I would rate the Nan Jiang sauna experience as one of the best I have had in China. I hope you will all keep posting. If you are interested in getting together for beers or whatever, let me know.

South Gate, Next time you try Nan Jiang talk to a manager and try to get the price down (do this before the action) to 400, I arranged this price with a manager, but am now not able to visit this sauna,,,otherwise I might ruin the work I have done with the (sexy) manager,,,haha

But now for the serious stuff, becareful of AIDS in Yunnan, always use condoms.

Undercover, what do you call the club area ? Is it the Kundu area ?

Sauna in Kai Wah hote : last time, mid afternoon, I was the only guest there, I was quoted 700 Y.

Always try to bargain 100 Y less. In China, always batgain.

[QUOTE=Erik]Undercover, what do you call the club area ? Is it the Kundu area ?

Sauna in Kai Wah hote : last time, mid afternoon, I was the only guest there, I was quoted 700 Y.

Always try to bargain 100 Y less. In China, always batgain.[/QUOTE]Sorry, but I am not too good on directions and I am not familiar with the name Kundu. However, I may have been to this club and not known it was named Kundu. This is because my Kunming relatives occasionally take me out to the local clubs, restaurants, and bars in Kunming. They drive and I sit in the car, never fully understanding where they have taken me--or how we got there. But when I get there, I always have lots of fun!

The clubs that I was referring to is in a famous part of the Kunming capital. In this area, there are two large archways. The archways are called the Jinma Archway and the Biji Archway. Most taxi drivers will know of its location. If you are staying in a hotel, ask the front desk to write the name in Chinese so you can give it to the taxi driver.

At night, lots of young people, and young SW hang out near the archways. Near the archways, within a two-minute walk, are a row of restaurants and a few small banks. One bank is called the Bank of Communications. Near the restaurants are the clubs I was referring to. There are maybe 7 or so clubs in this area. It is a local hangout, with lots of babes. I would say that 60% of the babes in the clubs are available for the right price. 100 to 250 rmb for ST. The cost of course depends on your negotiation skills and your command of Mandarin. Also, my guess is that 90% of the babes in clubs never had a foreign guy. Most girls in these clubs are 17 to 25
non-professional freelancers.

But be careful, in many clubs in Kunming, locals, freelancers, regular girls, cops, business people all hang out in the same club(s). The last thing you want to do is approach a regular girl (or an off-duty female cop) and assume that she is a freelancer. Based on my observations, in Kunming, there a lot of little clubs in the city that the local guys go to to meet available freelancers. The best time to go clubbing in Kunming is---every night---of course, Friday and Saturday are the best.

My recommendation for a guy who wants to hang out in the local clubs near archways and visit the many other clubs in Kunming, is to hire an interpreter to show you the nightlife in Kunming (assuming you know very little Mandarin or even the local Kunming language). To hire an interpreter is very easy to do. At most hotels, the staff (e.g., front desk works) know some English. If you are friendly and nice with the staff, ask one of them if they would like to be your guide (or if they know someone who would be willing to be your guide) to show you Kunming by night.

Offer 200+ rmb for the evening (at least 6 hours). Also offer dinner and a few drinks in the deal. Pay after they provided the service and ask them to tell you which clubs they will take you to before the evening starts. Get a map of Kunming and have them find the locations on the map. They should take you to at least 4 different locations.

Also get a business card from each club that you visit. This way, the next time you go out, all you need is the business card to give the taxi driver. Also, ask your guide to take you to a place where the young people hang out for dinner. Most of the restaurants in Kunming that have a nice young crowd cost no more than 250 for a dinner for two. This is a nice way to meet regular local girls.

I recommend being nicely dressed for your evening. Reason, when the Chinese women see you with a local and you are well dressed with good manners, they will assume you are a businessman--as opposed to a tourist--or a poor backpacker. Being a successful businessman or caring yourself like one--goes a long way in Kunming. I know this from firsthand experience.

If you have choice, I recommend selecting a guy to be your guide. If you are lucky, he will be cool and happy to show you where the babes are. Also, if you see a freelancer you like, he may be able to help set-up a ST or LT.
If you have female guide, she may be a little put off by your question of--“where are the babes“?!!!! And, “how much is ST in this club“?

Ok, here is my disclaimer---the above information will not work for everyone, my experiences will not be the same as other guys visiting Kunming, my remarks about poor backpackers or tourist are not intended to be a “put-down,” and I do not cliam to be an expert.

Enjoy

[QUOTE=Kunshan]South Gate, Next time you try Nan Jiang talk to a manager and try to get the price down (do this before the action) to 400, I arranged this price with a manager, but am now not able to visit this sauna,,,otherwise I might ruin the work I have done with the (sexy) manager,,,haha

But now for the serious stuff, becareful of AIDS in Yunnan, always use condoms.[/QUOTE]I agree with your comments regarding AIDS in Yunnan. Yunnan has the highest rate of AIDS infection among any of the Provinces in China. The high rate is due to drug use by lots of young guys and girls. Since Yunnan is near Myanmar and Laos, drugs are cheap and easy to get in Yunnan. As long as a condom is used, there should be no problem with having a night of fun with a freelancer or SW in Kunming. I think a condom is also good for a BJ. But, if she is young and cute with little lovely Asian lips--it is hard to say no to a BBBJ! : - )

[QUOTE=Undercoverh]

The clubs that I was referring to is in a famous part of the Kunming capital. In this area, there are two large archways. The archways are called the Jinma Archway and the Biji Archway. Most taxi drivers will know of its location. [/QUOTE]

This place is called JinMa Square, Jin Ma Guang Chang 金马广场 This place has a lot of smaller clubs, bit harder to meet normal girls as most of the places are just tables and chairs. But for SW maybe this area is the place to be.

In KunDu 昆都 (literally Kunming Capital) there are a few discos like Ba Bi, Or Top One, I have found it easier to meet normal girls in those type of places.

[QUOTE=Kunshan]This place is called JinMa Square, Jin Ma Guang Chang 金马广场 This place has a lot of smaller clubs, bit harder to meet normal girls as most of the places are just tables and chairs. But for SW maybe this area is the place to be.

In KunDu 昆都 (literally Kunming Capital) there are a few discos like Ba Bi, Or Top One, I have found it easier to meet normal girls in those type of places.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info and clarification regarding KunDu.

I went back to this place twice. The first time, I asked for number 26 but was told "Bu zai". I chose number 7, cute young Yi girl. She was prettier than 26 but not my cup of pussy. I went back again a few days later and found 26 whose oral skills are out of this world. I took her phone number and three days later she came to my hotel and stayed the night. We had dinner and foot massage together and then to my room for sex which was great. She was a bit scared that "Gong An" might come knocking at the door and slap us both with a big fine. They did not. Have any of you had this problem in Kun Ming? Kun Shan thanks for the advice about the 400Y. Number 26 also told me I could pay only 400 if I spoke to the manager.

[QUOTE=South Gate] We had dinner and foot massage together and then to my room for sex which was great. She was a bit scared that "Gong An" might come knocking at the door and slap us both with a big fine. They did not. Have any of you had this problem in Kun Ming? QUOTE]

I think as long as you don't show off in the hotel lobby too much then you should never have trouble having a gf in your hotel room, even if its a part time gf that you pay,,,

If the police did give you a problem in this type of situation tell them politely but firmly that she is your gf and they should let you carry on with your personal life.

But you do run the risk of her manager getting pissed off, or the hotel massage people getting pissed of if you two are too open about what you are doing. Did she take a day off for you, or did you pay "tai fei"?

Thanks for the info Kunshan. Did she take a day off? Yes, she did but actually she argued with the manager and left but could come back to work there again. Then she called me and I invited her to have dinner. She spent the nite at the hotel but two days later my girlfriend from Beijing came, so I have not seen her since though she sent several text messages with I have not answered. I am sure that she likes me as a good customer but I also think she is lonely and saw me as a potential sugar daddy or boyfriend. Not ready for that now for sure.

Scene of the Kai Wah hotel entrance. The SW action has moved a bit up Beijing road, 100 meters on the other side of the street, at the entrance of Golden Dragon hotel. Same girls, same mamasan. Anybody has been to the golden Dragon Sauna ?

Been to the now famous New Nanjiang Sauna, in front of Baihui store. Well, well,well... I must say that to my desappointment, I have failed to get the 400 Y fare. After having insisted, arguing that I kmew this price exists because other Foreign friends had had it and had warmly recommanded the place, the boss preferred to let me go away than lowering his price. He wanted 500 Y, claiming that it was already a discount from 600 something. Checked the afternoon team and came back for the evenihng team (after 7 pm), saw alltogether about 15 to 20 girls, impression is ''not too bad'', but not more. Asked for the famous number 26 and was told she has resigned. The cutest girl really was the already mentionned little Yi doll, number 7, whom I chose for 500 Y. She has been a hot cuty, smily and very friendly duting the whole 1,5 hour. Bad mark is she is a bit mean on the BBJ, and I had to remind her twice to demonstrate to me the red rope thing. She was not too keen on it either, saying that the metal frame was to wide or that she was too short... A desappointment as I had never experienced this (after so many years of mongering in this country...) and that was my first motivation to come to thie sauna. Anyway she eventually got on the ropes, legs spread apart, one leg in each rope, and I stood up to do her while she was swingging like a little girl in the school yard. She was very much into the f...ck, seemed to enjoy, and as I got her tel number, I might very well call her back next time to come to my hotel. Depends what will be her price...

[QUOTE=South Gate]I can't explain it but some days, I wake up with a huge hardon and feel horny as hell. Today was one of those. Had to pick up a relative at 3 PM but did not want to be walking around all day looking like there was pistol in my pocket, so I headed to this place referred by a fellow member.

The Nan Jiang Hotel is at 241 Dong Feng road. The sauna is on the second floor. It opens at 1 PM. Don't know when it closes. Price for bath, rest area and full service is 500. Fairly clean compared to Beijing and Shanghai saunas. After the shower, was led to the rest area where I sat for about fifteen minutes drinking free coffee (not bad). Then I was led to a room and three lovelies were displayed. I chose the one with a sly smile, names Wang Yan, number 26. The room is equipped with bars for the red rope games, a huge inflatable ball and a large bathroom with tub and shower. Wang Xiaojie taught me some tricks. After we bathed each other (second bath for me), she had me lie facing down. She uses a warm solution of some sort for the erotic massage which is done first with her hands over my back, buttocks, arsehole, then with her lovely shaped breasts tipped with long dark nipples, then with her ass. Then a tongue bath concentrating on the back of my thighs and buttocks and the soles of my feet (This was strangely erotic). Then some fabulous rimming. Then she inserts something small and hot into my butt hole and fucks me with it. I don't think it was her finger but it felt good. Then flip over for very nice tonguing of my balls and BBBJ. During the BJ, I grabbed her behind and licked and sucked her pussy until she cried. Then she makes a hammock with the silk "ropes" and sits in it, has me stand in front of her. While she swings forward and backward, I fuck her standing up. This was interesting but not really so comfortable so I had her lie down for missionary. Deep long kissing while I exploded. She kept going after I came for five minutes and also came. I was in a hurry to get to the airport so I told her I would take the inflatable ball lesson some other time. I like Kun Ming. [/QUOTE]Ok guys, I'm a long time lurker and rarely a poster, but I am so puzzled by my experience tonight at Nanjiang Sauna (on Dong Feng Lu, in a separate building in front of Nanjiang Bing Guan) that I have to ask for some answers. I too am curious about this red ropes stuff (not to mention the inflatable ball). After having a less attractive woman suckle me all over with pop-fizz candy in her mouth at the hotel where I'm staying (all I can say is. Humorous? ) I decided I'd better give Nanjiang a go.

The facilities are indeed nice and clean. I get a bit tired of the obsequiousness of sauna staff, but seems like a good place. Very busy too, some men had even brought their little sons in with them and were playing in the pool. I showered, steamed and headed for the "resting area" where I was greeted by a professional woman in a blue blazer who invited me to sit down at a table while she introduced the services. So far so good. She listed several standard types of massage (I speak very fluent Chinese and have been to plenty of saunas) with the most expensive priced at $300 and entitled "Quan shen tui you" (full body oil massage). Now this didn't sound too bad, but postings in this thread had led me to expect more, so I asked about "quan tao" (full coverage, or full service). "Sorry", I was told, "we only offer the types of massage mentioned. Hmmm? Oh well, I thought, I'll go with the flow for now. I'm a white guy so there's no way she was worried I was a cop. Unless of course she knows about the massive interpol stakeout of Najiang Bath House; -) So, I said I'd take the full body massage. She said "ok" and added that oil massage with hands, body, breasts, and fire and ice treatment were also part of the deal. Sounded dandy. But still no direct mention of sex (I've found people in these establishments, for the most part, to be pretty frank about such matters). Up we go to the next floor. "Are all the rooms the same? ", I ask, hoping to score one with ropes and toys. "Yes, all of these massage rooms are the same" she says. Hmmm. As I walked through the hall I noticed that many of the rooms had double, rather than single, beds, but I didn't spot any ropes or bathing facilities. Finally we got to a small room with a single bed and a bed/chair sort of thing and a TV. At that point I was feeling fine because the girl in there was young, very cute, had a tight body, and, best of all, was wearing a schoolgirl-esque uniform with a short plaid skirt and a sailor suit top. What can I say? I'm a victim of Japanese porn. I did wonder though, what happened to the line-up mentioned in postings?

She was great though, moving from a good massage, to getting undressed and giving me the vacuum-mouth water slurpy full-body thing, to rubbing me all over with her oiled up tits and ass, to wrapping my dick in saran wrap (I tried to get her to remove it but no go---and I have experience negotiating this sort of thing! ) and alternating between icy mouth and hot water mouth. She was nice and, as I said, imminently fuckable. I asked her about sex--she said they don't do it there. I asked for her phone number and she obliged but said even on the outside, no sex. She finished me off jacking away with her baby oil covered tits. Felt great and the whole experience (I love a good steam room too) for $300 was not at all bad.

But what about all of the stuff mentioned on this board? Is there a secret password I need to know? For the record, I'm a relatively young, fit, good looking guy, fluent in Chinese, familiar with saunas, and was relaxed, friendly and polite in all of my interactions at Nanjiang. So what am I missing?

Any answers would be most welcome.

P.S. Also walked through Jin Ma Guang Chang area (Golden Horse Square, with the two big arches and a bunch of bars in back)----wasn't approached by any SWs and noticed a lot of cops, and past Jin Long (Golden Dragon) Hotel---saw a bunch of girls but none that were much to look at. Was handed a calling card by one mamasan (looked to me like there were a few groups) which I may or may not try. Any experiences with that?

I am not sure but there have been a LOT more police on the roads and I have seen some high level meetings been held in hotels, so I can only guess that there is a crackdown at the moment and FS is off the menu at the moment. Bad luck, try again later,,,or go to Kundu and pick up a freebie.

[QUOTE=Kunshan]I am not sure but there have been a LOT more police on the roads and I have seen some high level meetings been held in hotels, so I can only guess that there is a crackdown at the moment and FS is off the menu at the moment. Bad luck, try again later,,,or go to Kundu and pick up a freebie.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply Kunshan. I guess that's one possibility, still, seems strange "Oh don't worry officer, our girls just cover their bodies in oil, give nude massages and perform oral sex through saran wrap. It's not like anyone's FUCKING anybody!" Who knows? Sometimes Chinese law enforcement works in mysterious ways. Doesn't quite make sense to me though. But I do appreciate your reply and would welcome any further speculation. Certainly, the increased police presence does explain lack of SW's around Jin Ma Guang Chang. They are, however, out in full force in front of Jin Long Hotel.

I also appreciate the suggestion about freebies - been to Kun Du lots of times, in fact. Actually, finding freebies is no problem, but sometimes you feel like a ho, as the saying goes, which is the reason I occasionally look at this board.

P.S. in case anyone else is wondering, the mamasan in front of Jin Long is fairly reliable in fulfilling requests when contacted by phone. Paid 3 for a pretty, if uninspired, Sichuan girl sent to my room.

[quote=maxmaxmax]thanks for the reply kunshan. i guess that's one possibility, still, seems strange "oh don't worry officer, our girls just cover their bodies in oil, give nude massages and perform oral sex through saran wrap. it's not like anyone's fucking anybody!" who knows? sometimes chinese law enforcement works in mysterious ways. doesn't quite make sense to me though. but i do appreciate your reply and would welcome any further speculation. certainly, the increased police presence does explain lack of sw's around jin ma guang chang.

not sure what happened for you maxmax.....i went to the nanjiang today, very cold in kunming. upstairs to sauna via the main entrance of the hotel. i speak only the most bare bones chinese...papasan offered some massages, 50, 70,80 yuan, then 500 yuan which was obviously fs...took me to a private room, didn't offer any sauna or steam. it was just after 1, so the place had just opened. all rooms had beach balls and the railings for red ropes. not offered a choice of gals even when i asked about other gals. the gal i was shown was decent enough, nice body. for some crazy reason, they had the aircon on in the rooms and it couldn't be shut off, so both of us were freezing...she showered me down, gave me the hot and cold bj, then fs...rather mechanical, nothing spectacular...i live in thailand and think i'm rather spoiled...my feelings on chinese mongering is that one really needs to speak chinese, and in my limited action here (as well as malaysia and some other spots) i find chinese gals come off as way more mechanical and way less into it then thai gals, so i'm always disappointed (not to mention prices are way higher)..at any rate, the gal had a bag with her that i later peeked into which contained what i think were yellow ropes...but by then we'd already done the deed and that was that...pity, as i was looking forward to a rousing session with the famed number 26...all in all, it was just a decent way to warm up for the day. maybe better at night, and for those with language ability and in the know

[quote=oldian][quote=maxmaxmax]thanks for the reply kunshan. i guess that's one possibility, still, seems strange "oh don't worry officer, our girls just cover their bodies in oil, give nude massages and perform oral sex through saran wrap. it's not like anyone's fucking anybody!" who knows? sometimes chinese law enforcement works in mysterious ways. doesn't quite make sense to me though. but i do appreciate your reply and would welcome any further speculation. certainly, the increased police presence does explain lack of sw's around jin ma guang chang.

not sure what happened for you maxmax.....i went to the nanjiang today, very cold in kunming. upstairs to sauna via the main entrance of the hotel. i speak only the most bare bones chinese...papasan offered some massages, 50, 70,80 yuan, then 500 yuan which was obviously fs...took me to a private room, didn't offer any sauna or steam. it was just after 1, so the place had just opened. all rooms had beach balls and the railings for red ropes. not offered a choice of gals even when i asked about other gals. the gal i was shown was decent enough, nice body. for some crazy reason, they had the aircon on in the rooms and it couldn't be shut off, so both of us were freezing...she showered me down, gave me the hot and cold bj, then fs...rather mechanical, nothing spectacular...i live in thailand and think i'm rather spoiled...my feelings on chinese mongering is that one really needs to speak chinese, and in my limited action here (as well as malaysia and some other spots) i find chinese gals come off as way more mechanical and way less into it then thai gals, so i'm always disappointed (not to mention prices are way higher)..at any rate, the gal had a bag with her that i later peeked into which contained what i think were yellow ropes...but by then we'd already done the deed and that was that...pity, as i was looking forward to a rousing session with the famed number 26...all in all, it was just a decent way to warm up for the day. maybe better at night, and for those with language ability and in the know[/quote]thanks oldian--when i first read your report, i was even more perplexed. and then i reread it more carefully. you said you went "upstairs to the sauna through the main entrance of the hotel". whereas the sauna that i went to was entered through a building that i believe was separate from the hotel (on the left in the driveway in from the main road). is it possible that there is a "nanjiang bath house" on the left and a different nanjiang sauna inside nanjiang bing guan (nanjiang hotel)? this would account for the disparity and the fact that i didn't see any of the rooms described and was told that fs was not offered. can anyone familiar with this place clear this up once and for all?

OK guys, I am going to explain what seemed to happen. Our friend Max has not been to the sauna on the second floor of Nanjiang hotel, he did not cross the loby and climbed the staircase on the right. He has stopped at the entrance of the parking lot, where on the left hand there is a place advirtising in big Chinese caracters : Nanjiang sauna. Because he reads Chinese he (just like I did at the first glance) thought he had reached the right place. Other mongers who don't read Chinese may not even have notriced this place, that is why they don't understand what happened to Max.
Try again Max, go ahead, right hand, 2nd floor, there you are. And try to insist for 400...

[QUOTE=Erik]OK guys, I am going to explain what seemed to happen. Our friend Max has not been to the sauna on the second floor of Nanjiang hotel, he did not cross the loby and climbed the staircase on the right. He has stopped at the entrance of the parking lot, where on the left hand there is a place advirtising in big Chinese caracters : Nanjiang sauna. Because he reads Chinese he (just like I did at the first glance) thought he had reached the right place. Other mongers who don't read Chinese may not even have notriced this place, that is why they don't understand what happened to Max.

Try again Max, go ahead, right hand, 2nd floor, there you are. And try to insist for 400...[/QUOTE]Thanks Erik.

Bingo! After a close reading of Oldian's post (and his mention that he walked into the hotel lobby) I started to put the pieces together myself and posted (for some reason my post never showed up). But now you've confirmed my guess. Indeed, I went to the place on the left as you go in the driveway towards the hotel and never into the hotel itself. It's all a bit confusing since the place I went to is indeed called "Nanjiand Bath House". Well, sooner or later I'll have to get back and give the "real" Nanjiang Sauna a shot. Thanks again for your assistance.

For the record, the place I went to was very clean with great facilites and very polite staff. The girl I had was pretty and gave me everything but FS, all in all for 300, still not a bad deal at all. I'll post again when I make it to the Nanjiang Hotel Sauna.

[QUOTE=Undercoverh]Sorry, but I am not too good on directions and I am not familiar with the name Kundu. However, I may have been to this club and not known it was named Kundu. This is because my Kunming relatives occasionally take me out to the local clubs, restaurants, and bars in Kunming. They drive and I sit in the car, never fully understanding where they have taken me--or how we got there. But when I get there, I always have lots of fun!

The clubs that I was referring to is in a famous part of the Kunming capital. In this area, there are two large archways. The archways are called the Jinma Archway and the Biji Archway. Most taxi drivers will know of its location. If you are staying in a hotel, ask the front desk to write the name in Chinese so you can give it to the taxi driver.

At night, lots of young people, and young SW hang out near the archways. Near the archways, within a two-minute walk, are a row of restaurants and a few small banks. One bank is called the Bank of Communications. Near the restaurants are the clubs I was referring to. There are maybe 7 or so clubs in this area. It is a local hangout, with lots of babes. I would say that 60% of the babes in the clubs are available for the right price. 100 to 250 rmb for ST. The cost of course depends on your negotiation skills and your command of Mandarin. Also, my guess is that 90% of the babes in clubs never had a foreign guy. Most girls in these clubs are 17 to 25
non-professional freelancers.[/QUOTE]This sounds like "The Hump," site of a well-known backpackers hostel and a group of bars, etc. The name come from "flying the hump" in WW II. Lots of college girls hang-out there, probably in hopes of meeting some interesting foreign men who will whisk them off to lives of luxury in the West. Or maybe just someone who knows how to make a woman feel good.

Harold Bell

I had a couple of free hours yesterday so I cycled to this place. It is kind of hidden and I dont think other foreigners use it much. I would be very curious if any of you know anything more than I report here. This sauna opens at about 3 PM. The Chang Cheng (Great Wall) hotel is at 661 Beijing Lu, a bit north of Renmin Dong Lu on the east side of the street. You have to enter a court yard from the sidewalk. The first thing you notice in the courtyard is men and some women dressed in khaki uniforms. The hotel seems to a place for Chinese army meetings of some sort. Dont stop and ask where the sauna is because they wont tell you. There is an army uniform store on the right and there is a complex of hotel buildings on the left. Walk between them to Nan Lou (South Building) also on the right. Enter this building and walk straight ahead to the elevator. Dont ask about the sauna because I dont think they will tell you. Just go to the elevator and then to the third floor. If anyone asks where you are going say truthfully "san lou". I did that without problems. On the third floor, ask the man for a xiaojie to give you a massage. Negotiate the price. I paid 500 but I think you can bargain down. He will lead you to a room and bring in the lineup. I had number 26, very pretty Dong Bei girl. She bathed me and gave me the typical sauna treatment. I kind of like the part where she rubbed my feet on her titties. Red rope is available but I am not into that. This girl did only covered BJ but perhaps others offer BBBJ. After lovemaking, she washed me again, very nice.

Hi
I will be in Kunming from Jan 11 to 16 leading a Philippine tourism Delegation.I am a bit lost since this will be my first visit to Yunnan.Since I will be only able to slip away for a few hours.I read the forum,But I am little confused on where to go.If you had only a few hours and only 1-2 free times,Budget not an issue,Where would you reccomend a None Potonghua Speaker to go???Any advice would be appreciated .If anybody is in town,I can spring for Dinner and Drinks to exchange stories.For Background I am a Canadian Travel Agency owner who is PI based.

Cebu Local.

I sent you a PM but your box is full. I would be happy to hunt with you and make recs.

Cebu Local, South Gate,

Count me in. Please PM me.

South Gate, you still got my number? My phone crashed and I lost yours,,,

i didn’t have any luck in yuanjiang and i am sure i covered the town from one end to the other end, cross the bridge to the other side. i found rep001tered single bbs’s spread out throughout the core area. some empty, some with single display, others with a small group inside. none attractive or near attractive and definitely didn’t see any of the minorities. i have to admit that the two motorbike (no taxi) guides i used in different times, turned out to be complete idiots so, you guys let me know if i missed out on anything. it felt like it could be starting to be very warm weather soon.

i stayed at hong bao shi hotel. very nice clean room, good services, friendly staff, a bit too much noise, sixty yuan per night. there was a nice ktv on the premises but that is not my game. when i was looking around outside, i was offered blind room delivery which i declined. maybe i should have taken it.

the selection in yuxi was not that interesting this time. it was like the old lyrics “fifty tv channels and nothing to watch” but it was much better further down south.

i was in dali earlier in january. the old town was pretty quiet and i was able to get a room at the golden flower hotel (jin hua dajiudian) right in the middle of the town for around y150/nt.

i checked in really late-- just after midnight and a girl asked me from the top of the stairs to my floor whether i wanted an "an mo". i asked her how much and she indicated y60 and i said fine, in 15 minutes.

i went in 5 minutes later there was a knock on the door. the mamasan asked me if i wanted fs (i think she used the euphemism "fu wu" for "service" though my mandarin is not great so i asked for clarification which she provided by hand gestures). i was a little taken aback by the mamasan's intrusion as it had only been 5 minutes and i was still settling into the room. i told her no, just a regular massage, to which she asked me several more times to be sure.

i was tired from travelling all day plus i had a cold and it was pretty cold in the room as the hotel had no central heat and the room didn't really have a heater either. i'd guess it was 12 degrees in the room itself or at least it felt that way at the time.

the same girl who asked if i wanted a massage from the lobby came in. she was not particularly pretty-- a 6 at best, slender and tall. i made some light chit chat with her but it was difficult as my mandarin is not great and she didn't really care to try. she turned on the tv and flipped channels throughout while giving a decent though unmotivated massage for the next hour. she did convince me though that i could use the ac as a heater (i had tried at another hotel i had been in with a similar setup and could not tell if there was heat or not-- it's just a very low amount of heat though it made a slight difference) but had a thick coat on the whole time inside or outside the room.

there are also a couple of other massage places on bo'ai lu near the intersection with renmin lu. i checked one out and had a nice foot massage for y50 that really relaxed my feet. i did not inquire about other services though they do have thai and oil massages available. it was pretty cold inside as well so i can't imagine stripping down in 12 degree cold.

on my last night there, the mamasan who watches the lobby from the 2nd floor stairwell or from the outside like a hawk, asked me if i wanted a massage and i said fine, at 11:00. she asked again if i wanted fs and this time i told her that we'll discuss it when she arrived. the mamasan promised to send me someone who is prettier.

40 minutes later, after i showered, there was a knock at the door. this time, i had kept the ac unit set for heat and turned on all day by substituting an airline rewards card for the room key that plugs in to keeps the electricity on so the room was perhaps 20 degrees.

i opened the door to see the mamasan with a girl who looked to be about 24 and perhaps a 6 in looks. she asked if the girl was ok and i indicated that she was fine. the mamasan then asked for y300 in advance. that threw up my guard slightly but i took out 300 and gave it to her. the girl took a shower by herself for 3 minutes or so-- she was pretty quick. when she returned, she started stripping down to her underwear and got under the covers saying that she was cold. she was short-- perhaps 5' and weighed perhaps 85 pounds. she asked if i wanted a bj and that it would be an extra y100. she also asked something else but i couldn't understand her and she never really managed to explain it, just repeating the same thing rather than explaining it differently. i accepted the bj though i should have negotiated it down or negotiated it in with the mamasan.

she gave a relatively quick tongue bath and a cbj. she then asked if i wanted to continue with the bj or proceed to fs. we spent a few minutes in the missionary position at various speeds and i felt her orgasm via contractions and switched to lotus followed by doggy style then cowgirl. she had another orgasm while on top and told me she wanted to lie down as she was getting tired. we ended in the missionary position and she managed to orgasm once more as i finished and i stayed on top for another 5 minutes or so as her vagina continued to contract and convulse. at the end she took a drink of water and told me a couple of times: "ni hen li hai". she took another very quick shower. i gave her the y100 for the bj but did not otherwise tip her. total time was about 60 minutes exactly. overall fairly enthusiastic and professional.

if you're ever in dali, just keep an eye out for an older ethnic woman watching from the main entrance or from the 2nd floor stairwell in the golden flower hotel. if you walk around huguo lu where the cafes are you might also be approached by some older ethnic women asking if you want "ganja" if you are into that. overall old town dali is a nice laid back place and quite worth a visit if you want to get away from the cities for a while but not go anywhere that is true countryside.

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Anyone staying in or near the Sakura hotel can look on the "Charlies" bar on the 4th floor for some working girls, they seem to come later in the evening, I left at 8 and they hadn't arrived then, and I can't guarantee they are there every night though. Sorry no price info, but if you are staying in this hotel I guess its a good and easy spot to pick up girls. Also the hotel's in house massage service has "special service", but I am not sure of the price.

this post is mostly for those who, like myself, plan to spend some time living and playing in km. km is not shanghai nor is it beijing. in those larger cities, especially the first, sex looks for you. you dont have to look for it. here, it is a bit more subtle. isg partners like kunshan who is much more of a stud than i am may not agree. this is my opinion.

saunas. there are a few where the whole shanghai treatment including red rope, rimming, fs, etc is available for 400 to 900 rmb. search the forum for these but there are others that are not in the forum. i think the best is nan jiang (see past posts). problem i have is that the laobans (bosses) there and in the others think that all men want 18 year old near virgins. so you have to ask for an older more experienced woman if you want one. if you are happy with an 18 year old girl who will go through all the right motions but will be shy about seeing you outside or really getting into your love making, the saunas are ok. some are surprisingly expensive and you cant budge the price below 700. others will go down to 350 without a bath in the public area.

bbs type places. these are rep001tered through the city. there is a chinese site that you can only read if you can read chinese and can be found by using google and search terms in chinese that lists some of the neighborhoods. fore example, 金星小区 where fs is supposed to be available for 250-300元，(take beijing lu north to second ring north and turn right about two blocks to this community ); 红联村成片的发廊(go west on south ring road. this community is near dan xia lu), 和平村成片的发廊，fs for 150元/1q(just north of north ring road on beijng lu). the one i like because it is near where i work is on xi yuan south street just east of dan xia lu, on the south side of the street. there are about 4 or 5 bbs massage places. in some there are fs girls who take you to the back for a 150 y quickie (not my cup of tea). in others, it is more subtle and nicer for a guy who wants a regular almost like a freebie type experience. there is one place there where the bubblingly friendly girls take you to the back and give you a good massage with a great hj finish the first time for just 50y. the second time you can take them to your room for 200y and fuck for as along as you like. overnite is about 300-400 y. safe and a really nice experience with really nice girls who know how to really please a man.

street walkers. there a quite a few around the train station but though i have had one good experience there, i have been warned about rip offs and worse, like being robbed or blackmailed if you take a girl home. so i generally dont indulge.

ding dong xiao jie. these are the ones that call your hotel at about 10 pm. "massagee?". some are impersonal, some are great. since i dont live in a hotel anymore, i dont indulge.

hope this helps.

There is one more place that I would like to add to South Gates full report, and that is Dancing Halls 歌舞厅. These places are generally where ladies in their late 20's and 30's go to let off steam, its also places where there can be a lot of working girls, in the past they checked girls at the door to make sure they were wearing underwear (the hookers would be working on the dance floor), the idea of making them wear underwear was supposed to slow them down.

These places can be found all over Kunming, there is one on the corner of Beimen Jie and Yuantong Jie, just next to the Kunming City Bank.

And South Gate, my Stud days are now over,,,Ball and Chain is back in Kunming, will give you a call to arrange a beer.

Just came back from my 2 weeks biz trip in Kunming. My experience to share with you: never waste your time finding SW or BBS girls in Kunming. And don't believe any taxi driver's words that they could help you find one. Sauna or dancing hall may be better choices.

The usual scenes of crime have good selections. ... Catch them while they last.

Hey Guys,

Not looking to qualify for a report of distinction so I'll make it brief.

Visited the sauna yesterday. The usual drill, went in, went up the stairs on the right and had the manager take me to one of the rooms. I had called earlier to reserve my favorite. They are doing some major redecorating right now but should be all done by the end of the month. Had to wait for about 20 minutes because my girl was called in from home. (Now I think about it I should have took some pictures of the room while I waited)

The new room have mirrors everywhere, there is a giant exercise ball but no rails for the ropes. There is now a massage table in the bathroom instead of the bathtub/sauna now.

New routine:

Strip, lay on the massage table while the girl lather you down. First with her hands then with her breasts, flip, repeat.

Move on to the bed, fire and ice, full massage with hand, then repeat with breasts, finish with rimming. Flip

Same as above but for the rimming had me raise my legs (suppose for less flexible people this will be skipped), finished with BBBJ.

Main event: Since I've had her before I wasn't looking to play origami so didn't try many positions. Standard missionary but great GFE. Wasn't sure if she was faking or not but her back was soaked and sweat bead were on her forehead. After removing the evidence, laid down next to me and talked.

Went back to the shower to clean up, dressed, hugged, went outside and paid 500RMB.

Not bad for a city like Kunming. If you guys know of a similar place like this in Kunming let us know.

spent the last couple days in lijiang hanging with an abc friend of mine. so, after a bit of sightseeing we decided to see what else lijiang had to offer. not seeing much other info on the board, we decided to do some exploring. we had gotten info from a cab driver that the new town was the place to go looking. so walking around, we found a few hotels had massage/sauna service. the first one that we walked into looked clean with small rooms and i saw the girls huddled in a side room looking not bad. we did short negotiation with the mama for 200 after which she left to get the girls. however she came back quickly with one girl ( 6. 5) for my abc friend but said that none of the girls wanted to do a tall whitey. pressing her, i told her get someone for both of us or no deal. so she left again, and again came back with nobody, instead saying that she would do the service herself. now she was a decent looking 30 year old, but there was no way i was going to take pity service from someone for whom it was going to seem forced anyway, so we took off.

we walked a bit more, but with no other massage places around, we hopped in a cab and asked the driver to take us somewhere. he took us to a hotel called longjiang garden hotel. a girl, who ended up being the mama, met us as the cab pulled up and took us around back. after some negotiation starting at 500 and ending at 300, she brought out about 6 girls whom she said were all minority girls. most of them were about a 5-6, but there was one that was decent, about a 7. 5, that i chose. she took me back to a room that was a little bigger than the first place, about 8 sq meter room. she immediately started trying to do the up-sell, but i just told her firmly, no, i didn't want another girl. so she got off her marketing schpeil, and got down to inspecting. however, after taking a look, she said how about just a bj. i had to firmly say no again, and she left the room for something. now i don't consider myself that big, but my abc friend sitting outside said that she went babbling to her friends about my size. she came back in, she decided to inspect again. asked if i realy wanted to make love, and then grudgingly left to go get some lube. she came back in again with the lube, but sat down next to me and started in about getting another girl in there because it was too much for her to handle herself. that they could both give me a great bj. i could see that this wasn't going to be a happy service provider, so i just told her that it wasn't going to work out. she seemed rather relieved to her this. i got up, told the mama sorry that we couldn't come to a business arrangement and left.

the same cabbie for some reason was still waiting out front, so we told him that it was a no-go. he reached deep within his cabbie resources and decided to take us to a street in new town (as opposed to another massage place). he mentioned that the stay-overnight price for a girl was about 300. he drove us to a street called qixingerjie [? ] (near the dadongba jiudian hotel). for geeks out there, you can home in on this location with a gps at and 26. 87541 deg & e 100. 22289 deg. as soon as we rolled up, we were met my an agressive/entrepreneural mama named zao who immediatedly had a lineup of ten plus girls on the street for us. it was an easy pick for me of a cute 7. 5ish sort of girl who was about 23. the price was quickly agreed at 150 and then zao showed us to a clean large room in a nearby apartment. no problems with the service, though is was on the speedy/efficient side. apparently i was her first foreigner. no fear though, just interest. i emerged from the apartment to find that my abc friend had gotten a girl just after i went in and was waiting for me. apparently zao had thought that he was my guide, and so had said that he would get a cheaper rate of 100, hehe.

two days later, after a dinner of local naxi minority food, we went back again to zao's corner (though she is hardly the only mama there) to taste a local naxi delicasy for desert. seems like everyone knew who i was when we got there. seems like the previous girl had talked a bit. i found a cute little naxi in the bunch and was taken to the same apartment room. this one was acutally a little more enthusiastic, wanting to learn a couple words of english as well. but the business end of things was quick and efficient as well. one interesting twist though was that she was shocked to see how much body hair i had, so she insisted that i keep my shirt on while doing the deed.

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First a thankyou to Kunshan for his suggestion of visiting Dancing Halls (???). I visited one near the North Railway station yesterday - and would recommend it not only for the abundance of good looking and friendly women, but also as its one of those whacky kind of places one only finds in China.

From anyone who has a bit more experience of these things, I'd like to find out a bit more about how they work. The one I went to consisted of a large dancefloor, and some basic sort of sofas around the sides. There was a bar, but nobody was really drinking anything. There were a few couples dancing, and few pairs of girls dancing together on the dancefloor. There were also lots of girls standing around at one end of the dancefloor, and predominantly men sitting around on the sofas. It all seemed a bit boring, but then suddenly the lights went off for about ten minutes. It was pitch dark, but this it seems is when all the action begins - as men and women seemed to pair off. There didn't seem to be too much raunchiness, but all the women were dressed up - and there were certainly some beauties in the crowd. I was approched by one girl for a dance , and then a hug / grope session in the darkness. She wasn't my type - so I didn't want to take it much further. Before I met the girl, I chatted a bit to a Chinese guy - who said you could ask a girl for a dance or 'a cuddle' in the dark for 10yuan - which is what I paid my dancing friend when the lights came back on.

If there are any experts on this topic - I'd like to know a bit more about how far one can go with these girls - what is the possibility of fnding a good freebie? or are most of the girls there to make a bit of cash...etc

Cheers !

I'm not an expert on Dancing Halls, being there once stayed for about 10 mins. Girls quality not to my taste so I just ducked out before any girls approached me.

From what I was told by friend, 5 yuan door fee, 10 yuan gets you a dance and all you can grope for 2 songs or until lights come back on. BJs are rare but known to happen on the sofa or in the corner depends on the girl, usually bareback, that's why security patrol the place regularly with a flashlight to check for illegal acts. BJ I heard is 20 or 30 yuan. Girls will put their hands in your pants if you just ask, HJ is not really out of the question. As for the girls, common sense tells me you can go further with girls in dresses or skirts than girls in jeans or corduroys.

Take out is rare but possible if you're a regular there and she danced with you a couple of times and she likes you. Going out with a guy from the dancing hall is considered very dangerous for the girls. Not all of them will offer FS anyways.

It's called Poor Man's brothel or something like that in Kunming. Most men goes there for a cheap feel after dinner, without cheating on their wives. Not a young men's place due to age and quality of girls.

If you want quality, goto a KTV and blow 200 yuan on a young thing you pick out of a pool of 50-100. Groping and nude dancing is mandatory, HJ, BJ, or FS is negotiable. Take out is available only with pre-designated girls. Ask the manager. They have about 30-50 non-pros in the pool for half price, dressed in street clothes which I assume take out is more of a possibility, but I'm not sure.

KTV good.

Cheeers

[QUOTE=Sun2006]............and would recommend it not only for the abundance of good looking and friendly women, but also as its one of those whacky kind of places one only finds in China.
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Incidentally, dancing halls are not exclusively limited to China. I've seen a couple of bar-sized halls in JapanTown in Downtown Los Angeles where girls will talk to you for a $3 beer and dance with you for unknown price. There are about 2 or 3 joints in a row there on one block across from this Japanese supermarket which opens from 9-3am (very late).

Some groping are allowed, mostly drunken Mexican men with not much to spend. More advanced sex acts are done in the bathroom/hallway in the back. White girls and brown girls sits at the bar waiting for men to approach them, but I think they're all Latin girls.

On one fateful night I was walking by looking for an address in JapanTown, downtown LA is pretty much deserted after dark, this busty girl sitting on a bike outside talking to the door man saw me double crossing her path a few times just stood up and gave me a big hug and asked me if I wanted to come in for a drink (nice tits). I was dazed (nice tits) and curious if that was a FS place. I went back there couple of days later and did a more thorough research. I lived in OC!! :D

This is probably in the wrong thread, but just FYI, I hope this qualifies as a FR. :)

HatTrick

Hi i am an expert monger in Thailand, thank you, thank you.
But i dont know squat about Kunming, i am green i am a newbie
but i usually know hot poonie with a good attitude when i see it.
In any respect my buddy who lives there is by no means a monger.
So i am calling out for some dudes to hang out with and talk poonie.
I have been reading some posts here and its seems a bit more complicated to get a decent chick in KM than in BKK?

Overall I would say that if you speak Chinese and have lower expectations about the places that you go (I mean bars and KTV compared to east China) that you can have a lot of fun with P4P girls in Kunming.

But I think that Kunming is much better for freebies than in other parts of China, in terms of ease and open attitude of the girls.

Globotto, you have much better P4P options in BKK, I would stick with your friend and try to pick up girls in discos or bars.

Have fun.

Just got back from an outing in Lijiangs' mountains and in for a shag? Just north of the waterwheels, in-between the Korean massage place and a travel agent, is another massage place, up the stairs. It looks legit, being in such an exposed spot, but TIC, and once in the room soon enough I was offered special massage, and soon after that, a line-up of youngish, yet tubby girls showed up. One stood out, she's from Dali, pretty face, firm body, but once alone, it seems she is shy or inexperienced. CBJ, no DATY, afraid to doggy, just plain mish. At 300RMB, just ok for apres-hike relaxing.

On to Kunming, I liked this city! Cleanish air in a Chinese city! A mellow atmosphere, and huh? , people are smiling publicly here! Stayed at the Golden Spring hotel, recommended for the budget-minded, good location and very nice rooms from 280RMB and up. FS massage here, 500RMB. The papa was very friendly here, ushered me right to a VIP room, with an alledgedly popular waterbed. Nice, let's try that. Line-up of first 6 girls was a total dissapointment though. Old and rather ugly women. Next ones please! I should have known by looking at the state of the rooms; the hotel being very nice, the massage rooms are old and tired, and so it seems, are its providers. At a third attempt, papa shows a line-up of 10 girls, all of which do not amuse me very much. Papa really goes out of his way (I guess 500RMB FS makes him good profit.) and tells me to wait for his supermodels, who, unfortunately, are busy at the moment. Uhm, say what? ! Anyhoo, two teas later, 3 younger girls great me happily, and I choose a shorter, cuter one. On to the waterbed, which proves nothing special, in fact me and my girl wonder about its controls and where the water will go. On to the dry part, and hey presto! A red rope appears! Having experienced the 'red rope' a few times now, I'd say the whole experience depends a lot on the agility of your provider; mine, sad to say, was not; it felt like an exercise all the way, and I decided vanilla positions were better options. To cut it short, FS massage not really recommended here, but YMMV; as said, waterbed and red rope available here.

Hi,

Anyone can advise me whether there is any good italian food in Kunming. I will be there soon and hope to bring a few friends for italian food as they do not want to have Chinese food everyday.

Thanks

Hi,

The number of reply should give you an idea of international food choices in Kunming.

I would try the Jin Bi plaza downtown and walk along the river bank there to find foreign restaurants. If you insist Italian, try the Pizza Hut in the Jin Bi plaza, they offer a few pasta dishes as I recall.

Besides Chinese food there are a large number of Muslim restaurants with Muslim/Islam cuisine if you fancy Middle Eastern cuisine. But remember safety and health first, as Kunming is still a semi-pristine backwater part of a developing China.

Good Journey

HT

For Italian food try Rocco's restaurant on WenLin Street, its owned and run by an Italian.

There is also Salvadores which has GREAT coffee and western food, its about 1km from Roccos in the Wen Hua Alley, off Wen Lin Street.

there is also a Pizza place oposite the Carrefour near Ji Bi, its called Wei's pizza.

I like Theresas Pizza which is almost opposite Rocco's,,, but if you like talking Italian then go and eat at Rocco's.

But of course Kunming has a limited amount of western food compared to BJ or SH,,,but you dont come to Kunming for western food, the Chinese food is much better then in BJ or SH,,and of course the girls here are HOT.

Will be heading to Hekou for short holiday, Vietnam China border. Can anyone advice on where to go? Need to know about scene: KTV, Hotel and massage parlors.

Thanks

Hi, and welcome on this forum. How about sharing a bit of YOUR good mongering info on China or anywhelse before asking everything ? Some info about remote places with difficult access, patiently gathered by adventurous membes, don't come that cheap, I am sorry to say !


[QUOTE=Smokygrass]Will be heading to Hekou for short holiday, Vietnam China border. Can anyone advice on where to go? Need to know about scene: KTV, Hotel and massage parlors.

Thanks[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Erik]Hi, and welcome on this forum. How about sharing a bit of YOUR good mongering info on China or anywhelse before asking everything ? Some info about remote places with difficult access, patiently gathered by adventurous membes, don't come that cheap, I am sorry to say ![/QUOTE]Hey Erik, I'm new to the Kunming forum. I have been reading the CP site. Anyways, most of my visits are in ChongPing. Stayed at the Hui Hua hotel and enjoyed the hotel KTV scene there. love CP, even though me and my friend got majorly con in rain forest ktv hotel, the decor is rain forest. place our monies in the safe deposit box and all was gone.

Anyways, am staying now in Hanoi now, dead town, and thought it would be good to just travel up north. Will post details once I'm up, probably end month.

I like Prague Cafe, Wenlin Rd. , especially for hash browns and eggs with garlic. Chapter One across the street has good beer, particularly Beer Lao. The Indian Kitchen, next door, is new and good, if you're dying for a vindaloo.

A couple blocks away, on Wen Hua Xiang, next to Salvador's Coffee, is The Box, where a lot of the longer-term expats hangout. They have info on many subjects of interest (hookers in Hekou, etc.) Yunjoy Coffee, on the same street, has the best and cheapest coffee. Americano, take-away cup, 4 kuai.

Harold

I was in Jinghong recently and there are a couple of BBS brothels on W. Jinghong Street, near the Banna Shue Yuan. 150 for straight sex, no BJ or Greek. Probably there are other places; saw some red light BBSes on the far side of the Mekong, as the bus took me back to Kunming.

Didn/t you check the area on Manting lu ? Many ethnic girls. Thanks for the info by the Mekong. I didn't know. Please someone go and check this out !
I confirm : very difficult to get BJ in this city.

Guys

Have fun, enjoy yourself, and be discrete please. ....
Listen to the wise man.

As some of you may know by now, one of our senior members is a big fan of Chinese minorities so; I thought I share my little experience on that with the rest of the board.

In my experience, yes, they are all that specially, if you see them in their cute ethic costume. To be honest my experience is limited to only three, four of them, all in one city. I found some to be a bit reserved and cold but still put up a good service. Once, I saw a black-Chinese, tall, slim, and shy. There was nothing special about her except her smooth skin. I want to say it was even glowing but not sure if that word could apply or describe it, glowing or whatever, she was very doable.

In the same shop, at the same time, there were a couple of other cuties trying to get my attention and were aggressive about it so, I gave in and took one of them. Thinking I would definitely try the black-Chinese next. My luck, she disappeared the very same night and I didn’t see her again for the remaining of my ten days staying.

The other thing was that it was hit and miss with the minorities; you couldn’t count on finding them at the same shop or place. They were there one minute, gone the next minute. Actually, I discovered that that was the case with a lot of lovely ones in that location. So, I stayed alert and snatched one whenever I could. It seemed like the city could have been a transport point for some out-of-towners, .. I swear perhaps being delivered for or to one of high-ranking local officials. They were not in ‘display’ or menu, you would be flagged by one of the houses who knew you to go in for a special treat and they were all treats. But you could see the fear in their eyes and body vibes of being in a strange city, or being caught by the police (non-residence) and so forth. I don’t know, but I ended up benefiting from it by taking them away and let them refuge in my room for a while.

That was how I met that absolute lovely one from Shenyang, she stole my heart and in return I spoiled her with love and money. What a memorable experience, made all suffering and other disappointments to go away in no time. Still, she walked away with no goodbye, just vanished over-night. For the remaining of my staying, I kept blaming myself that if I had done this and that maybe she would have not gone or, if I had given her this and that she would have not left me. I knew I was willing to follow her any where she was going just to be with her but no, that was not what her pimps had in mind for her.

On a different note, I am going to challenge what the other senior member wrote, and say that my better experiences have been with women up to 150Y (single pop) anywhere in China (so far), in Guangzhou it was 200. .... ABC**** u r welcome.

[QUOTE=Kranky99]Hi,

Anyone can advise me whether there is any good italian food in Kunming. I will be there soon and hope to bring a few friends for italian food as they do not want to have Chinese food everyday.

Thanks[/QUOTE]Hi,

For good Italian restaurant you may try the Stone House whichis located near Dong Fong square just 50 metres from Jingko department store. The restaurant is set in the old stone building which used to be a governor's office. The food is good but a bit pricy.

I hope you enjoy Kunming as I did, I had 3 wonderful years there.

LHS

Lots of info on the web for Kunming restaurants.

Here is one very useful.

Hopes it helps the next guy.

[url]http://kunming.fantong.com/[/url]

Use the search button.

Sorry, in Chinese only.

HT

[QUOTE=Erik]Didn/t you check the area on Manting lu ? Many ethnic girls. Thanks for the info by the Mekong. I didn't know. Please someone go and check this out !
I confirm : very difficult to get BJ in this city.[/QUOTE]Found it last weekend on another trip! Yes, the intersection of Manting Lou and Mengpeng Lou, near the Korean Guesthouse, has beaucoup pink-lit BBS. No white gauze curtains so you can sneak in unseen, but a good selection of girls.

Harold

Anyone have any experience in Baoshan or Tengcheng, over near Ruili and the border with Burma?

Harold

You can find small BBS scenes as everywhere in Yunnan, in these cities. In Baoshan it was around Renmin lu, in Tengchong I don't remember the street name, a bit far from the city center, so you will need to wander at night and search for the red lights. Expect to pay no more than 150 for ST.

[QUOTE=Globotto]Hi i am an expert monger in Thailand, thank you, thank you.
But i dont know squat about Kunming, i am green i am a newbie
but i usually know hot poonie with a good attitude when i see it.
In any respect my buddy who lives there is by no means a monger.
So i am calling out for some dudes to hang out with and talk poonie.
I have been reading some posts here and its seems a bit more complicated to get a decent chick in KM than in BKK?[/QUOTE]


As for poonie, if you are in Thailand, you are in the poonie capital of the world. And by going to Kunming, you will be disappointed. I have been to both places many, many times. Kunming and Thailand are two different worlds with Thailand being the best for sex and Kunming coming in towards the bottom of the list. As you know, you can find hot girls just about anywhere in Thailand for cheap. In Kunming, the hot and clean girls will cost 700rmb plus. Ya, you can find cheap street girls for 150rmb, but they are not to my taste---and service is very poor in most cases. I guess I have been spoiled by Bangkok and everything else rates very low.

As for my choice when I am in Kunming, I like going to the hotels massage places where the service is good most of the time. My first choice is Kai Wah Plaza International Hotel on 577 Beijing Road. The massage is on the 8th floor. A regular massage cost 158 plus tip (25). The papa will offer a girl starting around 600rmb or up depending on time of day and how busy they are. Counter offer with 500rmb is good. Also, this is a good hotel to stay at.

Also, at night, there are street girls around the hotel. I tried a few times but the girls were not clean, bad attitude, and the lady pimps really [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off because they are very aggressive. Cost is around 150 to 300 depending on your skills. My advice, avoid these girls. But, if you must have one of these girls, try to avoid a pimp and deal directly with the girl that will provide the service. For example, when a girl comes up to you with an offer for sex, ask if she is the one that will give the service. IF she says no, walk away and say no thanks. Now, the girl will be aggressive and make all types of wonderful promises, but keep walking.

When you work with a pimp, she calls a girl from another location and you wait for them to show up. Or, the girl maybe close by. If you deal with a pimp, ask to see the girl first before you agree on price or agree to pay. When the girl comes, tell the pimp to tell her this is all you will pay and give the money to the pimp. Also, get the phone number of the pimp. If you get the girl back to your room, and she gives you bad service or tries to get more money out of you, you can call the pimp. DO NOT PAY MORE MONEY TO THE GIRL IN THE ROOM. Most of the street girls will try to get more money out of you back in your room. All of this is too much hassle for me, this is why I stick to the hotels massage places I like in Kunming.

Note that most major hotels have massage places. A few of the one I like are:

New Nan Jian Hotel 41 West Dongfeng Road. 500 to 900 rmb depending on your skills to get the best price. NOTE: At the lower price, the Papa may or may not give you a room with a shower in it, especially if they are busy.
Most of the time, I hate to deal with the papas, but most of the girls there are nice with good service.

Bank Hotel 399 Qingnian Road. 136 for regular good massage (say no to the body scrub for 40). The papa will offer girls starting at 1,000, but as everyone knows, the first price offered in China is not the price you pay. 600 to 700 should do the trick.

The place with the best looking girls, at least when I was there, was Horizon Hotel 432 Qingnian Road. But this place is very expensive and it is a 4 or 5 star hotel (with good food). You will pay around $50 just for a regular massage with a hot looking girl in private room and a whole lot more for full service. But again, the times I have been there, the girls have been the best looking I have seen in Kunming massage business. Note that when you go there, if you do not see hot looking girls there, don't blame me. I am only stating what I saw during the times I went there. Of course, over time, girls come and go and the quality may change. Also, this hotel carter to a lot of high rollers visiting China. That is why you will see lots of high end cars parked out front. I guess this is why they charge more and the best looking girls want to work at this hotel.

I understand some guys will not want to pay the cost stated above. I do because I do not feel like dealing with BBS girls or street girls, the service is below my minimum level.

[QUOTE=Globotto]Hi i am an expert monger in Thailand, thank you, thank you.
But i dont know squat about Kunming, i am green i am a newbie
but i usually know hot poonie with a good attitude when i see it.
In any respect my buddy who lives there is by no means a monger.
So i am calling out for some dudes to hang out with and talk poonie.
I have been reading some posts here and its seems a bit more complicated to get a decent chick in KM than in BKK?[/QUOTE]Gonna monger in BBK. Since you're the expert in that land of 000 smiles, need your advise:

Give me recommendation on (I)soapy; (ii)massage eg. Caesars; (III)escorts. Which establishment is good?

Heard of this possibility of contacting the girl (pic posted on the MP web) before flying there. Is it true? If so, how do I do it?

Goreng Pisang

i went to lijiang in yunnan just for one day early this year, with a bunch of colleagues for an off-site meeting. there were almost 60 of us. the plan was to fly there via kunmin on thursday, have a meeting on friday, do a tour on saturday and then fly back via kunmin on sunday. even though it was to be my first trip ever to lijiang, i could only spend one night there as i had to go back home for the weekend due to some earlier commitments. i left on friday night as soon as the meeting was over.

we all stayed at the dagang wangbao hotel, described as a five-star hotel but i’m sure no where near the banyan tree. still, it wasn’t that bad, though as is generally the case with chinese managed hotels it's been over-rated by at least one grade. i’d say it's more like a holiday inn rather than a hilton.

before i left for lijiang i had searched the web for relevant information about the place. there was not much info in this forum. i couldn’t find any useful information in the other chinese mongering websites (most of them have now been shut down by the government – the last few months have seen a relentless cleanup campaign). from several chinese tourism websites including the official lijiang tourism bureau website, i found a few forums with posts that offered some useful insights.

it appears that in some three to four star hotels, the pimps would operate a scam with the masseuses. typically, they operate from a so-called massage centre somewhere in the hotel, and you have to visit them for “special service”. in most cases, the masseuse would leave after providing a lousy handjob. then a fierce-looking gangster-type guy would come in and accuse the client of violating the local custom, demanding a fee of 2,000 yuan for cover up. there were altogether three to four such posts, published by some disgruntled chinese tourists.

i therefore arrived in lijiang without much expectation. after dinner on the first night, a small group of us decided to explore the old town, which was fairly attractive and lively with some interesting pubs where a lot of the minority people (guests rather than performers) were singing and dancing. we spent some time in one of the pubs, and from what i could see it was just a normal pub with lots of young people.

after i got back to my room just a little before midnight, i decided that room service was my only option as it was too late to go out and hunt again. i would not visit the sauna centre for fear of running into my colleagues, especially the female ones.

i told the manageress of the sauna centre that i would like to have a good massage plus some extra services. it took some 15 to 20 minutes before a girl would knock on my door. i quickly admitted her, just in case my colleagues living down the corridor might detect her. she was a plain-looking han girl, with a reasonably attractive body, but a bit old – probably mid 20s. sending her back would be too much trouble and too risky, so i decided to keep her.

she told me that she could only do special services, as regular services would be provided by the real masseuses. she started with 2,000 yuan for full service, and i countered 800. after much haggling we settled at 1,000. i had already taken a shower, but when i suggested that we washed together she declined. without much ado she peeled off her clothes and started her service with a cat bath. she used her tongue well, but did not volunteer ass rimming until i asked for it. still, her rimming was excellent, and she willingly complied when i asked for additional rounds of rimming. then she put the raincoat on my little brother and rode me. i finished missionary, my preferred position.

after the deed was done, i still had an urge for a good massage, both for relaxation and for repairing my dry skin. so i called the sauna centre again, and the manageress quoted a price of 300 yuan.

in about five minutes my masseuse came. she was clearly a girl of one of the minority races, though i now forgot which one. she was quite tall, probably 1.8 metres, with very dark skin, and plain ugly. thank god she was a regular masseuse, for i just could not image how i could possible fuck this girl if she were to offer full service to me. anyway her massage skills were decent, and i had a relaxing oil rub. she asked if i had been visited by a xiaojie, and when i said yes she seemed a bit disappointed. later, she told me that the regular masseuses could also offer hand relief, though i had no need for another shot.

Gidday fellow Mongerers,

My pals and I are off to Spring City in late May for a few days golf and some relaxation before heading down to Shenzhen and then on to Bangkok for some serious play time. My question is this: has anyone been to this resort recently and are we able to hook up with some company? Would we be able to get them into the Resort? (girl friendly? )

Don't really want to drive for an hour into town if we can help it. I did some searching thru earlier forums back to '04 where someone wrote about a small town about 5mins away that had some KTV bars and Sauna places. Does anyone have some suggestions about where to go?

Many thanx in advance.

Vern

If you're talking about the world class Spring City golf resort, yes I've been there. No, there are no girls there. You will see as you get there it is way way in the remote backwater of Yunnan. It is actually pretty high elevation in the mountains. There are small Hot Springs and other vacation resorts nearby where vacationers can stay at a shitty throwback brickhouse enjoying the scenic nature, playing Mahjong and cards, picking fruits, hiking and fishing, eat a big meal.

Hot Springs are 100rmb, 150 for FS. Local women in their 30s will wash you, blow you, and fuck you. That's it.

KTVs and saunas there feels like bars and diners along side highways in Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, etc. Desolate, detached.

Your best bet is insdie the resort, the hotel or the health center. Otherwise head elsewhere and beware Yunnan has very high HIV rate in rural areas, it is posted everywhere. Use your best discretion as always.

PM or post if you in SZ playing golf. I might be able to help you since I'm assuming you're not member of any SZ clubs.

HT

[QUOTE=Kunshan]There is one more place that I would like to add to South Gates full report, and that is Dancing Halls 歌舞厅. These places are generally where ladies in their late 20's and 30's go to let off steam,[/QUOTE]Hi Kunshan,

Hi guys in Kunming

Can You give me some names of these Dancing Halls.

As I'm still in my mid 20 I feel I could pull some talent for free there.

By the way, I'd like to add the English corners as a great source of free talent. The Ladies there are craving for western dick.

Women are younger there, but as long as You are generally able to pull freebies, this place is a great opportunity.

If you could handle the summer heat the selection is .... okay. Just stay with the traditional ways and do not give in that easy. The girls have become much more professional (and independent), asking for more, and giving back less. I saw a few of them playing hit-and-run game with Chinese customers… Please try to keep them ‘contained’. I know myself is guilty as charged because I started giving tips and with full stomach they wouldn’t come back as often! I remember the phrase from the movie Apocalypse Now when he says that the people are happy with a bowl of rice and a little rat meat! ….. The open market is gone and now there seems to be just too many middlemen. Next time will cross the border in search of opening new frontiers.

I noticed a bit improvement in the 50 Y price selections than the 100 Y in Yuxi and more complaint about being bigger. Don’t give in to the temptation of paying more or giving tips. Otherwise, the city could be much more fun. …. flirting with the carious local girls could add continuing excitement to your performance! But as someone reminded me once that the college girls just want to practice their English with you and not much more and I am getting better in detecting that sooner than later.

I planed to visit kunming end of the June for 2 days. How about GF hotel in there? Is it safe take a SW in hotel room? Which hotel supply girl for their guest? pls some one help me.

Want to add my experience and thumbs up for the New Nanjing Sauna.

The initial price of 900 dropped down once I asked the "real" price, and then when I said my friend had come for 500, they smiled and said yes right away.

After a very hot sauna and good scrub, was led to my room. After a while presented with 3 girls. It's a holiday today, so there were no others to choose from (or so they said). Anyway two were dead fish and the other was tall, spunky, and super friendly. So off we went. Turned into a GFE about 10 seconds after the door closed and we had quite a brilliant time together.

After an hour or so the phone rang. She tried to explain to me that there was another charge of 500 if I wanted to stay. She wasn't pushy at all, but were were just gearing up for round two, so I said ok.

Wondering what the correct policy is here? Other places?

Overall a top notch experience!

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I was on a 28 day tour of china and we stayed in the Jin Jiang Hotel. I was with my wife so it was sometimes awkward to get out.

I asked our local guide to try and find the best places to go. He was not that helpful, but did mention the Jin Long hotel, (unfortunately not sure of spelling) If you come ont of the Jin Jiang hotel cross the road and turn left you will come to it in about 100 yds. It is on the right hand side. The sauna has a separate entrance before the hotel up some stairs. There is mostly a door man out side that directs you to a lift and pushes the button for you. Inside you are directed to a counter where your shoes are taken and supplied with slippers. I asked the cost and was told 580Yn for 90 mins. I did not think this was bad, so to confirm I wrote it down, so that there was nothing lost in translation.

Once in the room I was shown 5 girls, I picked a very small girl, and all the other girls sniggered as I am on the large size at 6ft 2” and 15 stone.

The rest is what you make it, the only new experience for me was the fire and ice.
She sucks your cock with cold water in her mouth and then spits it out in a bucket at side of bed. She then takes a mouth full hot water and repeats the process.

I have attached photo of business card of my hotel, I have no idea where it is tho.
But if you find it, you can follow my instruction to find the sauna attached to the Jin long hotel.

Hope this helps

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[QUOTE=Bold Focker]I was on a 28 day tour of china and we stayed in the Jin Jiang Hotel. I was with my wife so it was sometimes awkward to get out.

I asked our local guide to try and find the best places to go. He was not that helpful, but did mention the Jin Long hotel, (unfortunately not sure of spelling) If you come ont of the Jin Jiang hotel cross the road and turn left you will come to it in about 100 yds. It is on the right hand side. The sauna has a separate entrance before the hotel up some stairs. There is mostly a door man out side that directs you to a lift and pushes the button for you. Inside you are directed to a counter where your shoes are taken and supplied with slippers. I asked the cost and was told 580Yn for 90 mins. I did not think this was bad, so to confirm I wrote it down, so that there was nothing lost in translation.

Once in the room I was shown 5 girls, I picked a very small girl, and all the other girls sniggered as I am on the large size at 6ft 2” and 15 stone.

The rest is what you make it, the only new experience for me was the fire and ice.
She sucks your cock with cold water in her mouth and then spits it out in a bucket at side of bed. She then takes a mouth full hot water and repeats the process.

I have attached photo of business card of my hotel, I have no idea where it is tho.
But if you find it, you can follow my instruction to find the sauna attached to the Jin long hotel.

Hope this helps

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I have googled it and add a google map (in Chinese only). I want to encourage everyone who is able to navigate through Chinese maps to do alike.
The Hotel is Jin Long Hotel, 575 Bei jing Rd., Kunming.
[url]http://ditu.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=zh-CN&geocode=&q=%E6%98%86%E6%98%8E%E5%8C%97%E4%BA%AC%E8%B7%AF+%E6%98%86%E6%98%8E%E9%87%91%E9%BE%99%E9%A5%AD%E5%BA%97%E6%9C%89%E9%99%90%E5%85%AC%E5%8F%B8%E2%80%8E&ie=UTF8&ll=25.024601,102.722168&spn=0.023954,0.037851&z=15[/url]

Unfortunately google maps that covers China is not available in English. It just shows the city.

On my second trip to the Jin Long Hotel, I saw a different girl.

The procedure was the same as last time, with the exception that this time; rimming was included without asking for it. This is something that I have never craved about, but I thought “when in china do as the Chinese”

It was a first for me and completed the hat trick of sexual performances that I was curious about! The other two being Fire and Ice and Red rope!

All check boxes ticked!

Hi all,

I have also been to the Jin Long Hotel. Great place. I was there in July but could not post because I found this site to be blocked in China then. Now I am out of the country, I see others are posting. Can you please let me know how you get around the block. I tried proxies but these were also blocked in China. How do you do it?

I use [url]www.proxify.com[/url] and it works fine. Cost is about 40 Euro for 6 months. It can be used for free but the it's often busy and I like to have a reliable connection. I live here thoug, so it is worth it.

[QUOTE=South Gate]Hi all,

I have also been to the Jin Long Hotel. Great place. I was there in July but could not post because I found this site to be blocked in China then. Now I am out of the country, I see others are posting. Can you please let me know how you get around the block. I tried proxies but these were also blocked in China. How do you do it?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bold Focker]I have attached photo of business card of my hotel, I have no idea where it is tho.
But if you find it, you can follow my instruction to find the sauna attached to the Jin long hotel.
[/QUOTE]


I believe the Chinese address says it is at 98 Beijing Road, which sounds like it's near the train station.

Harold Bell

The Jin Long Hotel is also labeled Golden Dragon Hotel. It is on Beijing Road, where it intersects with the first ring road, south branch. The Sunshine Sauna has a separate entrance. Across the street you can see a Dicos restaurant. Farther down Beijing Road, you can see the Jin Jiang Hotel and the sign on top of the Kunming South Train Station. Close by, if you're alert, you can see the flag of Viet Nam; their consulate is about 1/2 block south of the Golden Dragon.

500 kuai for hot/cold BJ, vaginal sex, sounds a bit high, if tempting. The BBSes I've usually preferred seem to have been driven from the city by the police. I hope they come back, now that the Olympics are over. If they've just moved to places I don't know, please give addresses!

Harold Bell

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I'm using slyuser.com right now, and it seems to be OK. I hope the PSB is easing up on enforcing laws, now that the Olympics are over.

Harold Bell

[QUOTE=Bold Focker]On my second trip to the Jin Long Hotel, I saw a different girl.

The procedure was the same as last time, with the exception that this time; rimming was included without asking for it. This is something that I have never craved about, but I thought “when in china do as the Chinese”

It was a first for me and completed the hat trick of sexual performances that I was curious about! The other two being Fire and Ice and Red rope!

All check boxes ticked![/QUOTE]Thanks for your report Bold Focker.

How many pops does one get for the 800-850? At 90 minutes, I would hope more than once?

RM.

I went to the train station the other day to pick someone up. I arrived about 30 mins. early, so instead of waiting around I went for a walk and came across 1/2 a dozen or so BBS quite close to the Kunming station, 1st right, then 1st left as you walk away from the passenger exit and across the road from a large bus depot. Is anyone familiar with these BBS? One of the women tried to drag me inside as I walked past, but I pulled away saying that my hair was fine. It was about 10am so I wasn't sure if these were legit BBS or more was available. Are these the BBS Harold Bell mentioned having being closed down during the olympics? I am living here in Kunming and would like to find someplace regular that's not too expensive. The Sunshine sauna for example is something I couldn't afford too often. There are some BBS mentioned in other posts, but these are quite old and I'm not sure if they are still operating. Is there anyone out there with some more up to date information?

Whilst in Dali over the October week holiday a Chinese friend took me to a massage place on Kaifaqi Lu (not sure of the spelling), large glass frontage with a picture of a big foot sole. The place was strictly legit, (nothing more on offer), but there where several SW outside trying to entice us and presumably anyone else away, in mandarin. They seemed quite young and attractive, though I wasn't able to get up real close. Unfortunately I was not in a position to take them up on their offers as I was sharing my hotel room with someone who wouldn't have been pleased if I brought back company. I should have got the business card of the massage place, but didn't think to ask. Hope this is of some use to those visiting Dali.

[QUOTE=Atomic Sunburn]Are these the BBS Harold Bell mentioned having being closed down during the olympics?[/QUOTE]

That sort of place. But several seem to have re-opened near Kunming Science and Tech. U. and the electronics college. I suspect that now that the Olympics are over, lots will re-open. Inflation should make a lot of college girls and shop girls in need of extra income, right?

I'm waiting for payday before I try them out.

Harold Bell

I visited the Jin Long sauna at about 1 PM on Thursday. No other customers present. The price was 500 Yuan for about 90 minutes of fun with number 26. She was a tall thin girl from Chongqing, looked about 22 but said she was 18. Very nice experience overall. She invited me for a second shot but I declined. Would like to meet with others who post or read here. If you are interested in this, PM me.

One of the BBS on Xi Yuan Lu near Dan Xia Lu in the Xi Shan district has reopened. This is on the south side of the street and in a row of shops including sex shops, massage places ,etc. The writing outside is all in CHinese and there are a few cute ladies inside who will signal with their eyes if you stare at them. When you go inside, you have to tell them exactly what you are looking for. Full service is 150 yuan (without bargaining) and is provided in a secret room behind a bookshelf door. The lady asks that you perform quickly which is a total turnoff and makes even the low price not worth it. Perhaps you can take out to a safer location. Based on my experience there, I think BBS are risky and not worth the bother and search. Any other input would be appreciated.
Saunas on the other hand are going full blast. I have visited five.

1. Nan Jiang Hotel off Dong Feng Xi Lu has moved across the square from its old location. Price is 500 yuan for full service. This includes the cost of the sauna services (shower, soak in hot water, etc). I did not bargain and I think you can get this service for 400 yuan. Lady was too young for me and quite mechanical.
2. Jin Long Hotel on Beijing Lu as per prior posts. Better experience than the new Nan Jiang but not great.
3. South side of town in Guan Shang district near highway that goes to the airport. Dont remember the name or exact address. If you want, I can help you find it. Just PM me. Price 400 yuan for FS. Better experience than 1 or 2 above.
4. Also soutH side of town, near third ring road (which is also called Shil Li Chang Jie). 600 Yuan FS including shower and soak. Girl provides bbbj, rimming, red rope, etc but too young and cold and mechanical. If you like, I can help you find this place.
5. Dianchi Lu on the way to Minority Village and the Xi Shan cable car. East side of street. I will also have to help you find this if you wish. PM me. A bit pricy (total 700 yuan) but very very good with very clean and hot spring water soaking bath, clean shower, dinner, clean rest area and beautiful bedroom to play in. Girl gave incredibly good service. Started with good hard massage; then asked that I remove my pajamas, then very skilled finger and hand work on buttocks, thighs, balls. Kissed my ear so passionately that I spontaneously turned and started deep kissing her and licking her lovely body. Followed by very good oral, 69, love making with orgasms. Best I have had in a long time here in Spring City and well worth the expensive price. Afterward she wanted to cuddle and sleep with me for an hour. If I were younger, I would have done her at least three times.

Hope this can jump start this quiet thread.

I see why Kunming is so dead....

It appears that there are plainclothes police ALL OVER the place choking off the business. Not sure why they are so neurotic here about this (as opposed to other cities). But I was stopped by a police officer two times

It also appears (and I have yet to verify this) that if you go about 6 miles from the city center (10km), there are streetwalking hookers. I have yet to work out the logistics of this (and may not have to, since I am cultivativing some freebies), but will be sure to post if I do have anything to liven up this not-so-active board.

There are lots and lots of foreigners in this city and so there should be more information about vagina-- but there is not, and I'm dedicated to finding out why.

I see why Kunming is so dead....

It appears that there are plainclothes police ALL OVER the place choking off the business. Not sure why they are so neurotic here about this (as opposed to other cities). But I was stopped by a police officer two times

It also appears (and I have yet to verify this) that if you go about 6 miles from the city center (10km), there are streetwalking hookers. I have yet to work out the logistics of this (and may not have to, since I am cultivativing some freebies), but will be sure to post if I do have anything to liven up this not-so-active board.

There are lots and lots of foreigners in this city and so there should be more information about vagina-- but there is not, and I'm dedicated to finding out why.

I also had a run in with these sex police about a month back that necessitated my hiding in a concealed BBS room, with the girl I had chosen, for a 1/2 hour. The other girls managed to convince him eventually that I hadn't stayed and had slipped out the back door, all in all a somewhat scary experience.

There are several reasons for the lack of information on this board, the main reasons being that the low cost of living, mild weather and relatively pollution free environment in Kunming tends to attract two types of foreign guys, young single chinese language students and married guys who have come over with the wife and kids. The single guys look to pick up freebies at the bars and english corners, whilst the married guys are often only here for a year or so, teaching english while their children attend local schools in order to pick up mandarin. Neither group has much money to splash around even if they are so inclined.

I expect this situation to change over the long term if the Chinese governments plans to make Kunming the hub for S.E. Asia come to fruition. Perhaps the local government here is also aware of this and is putting in place the sex police infrastructure now in order to head of Kunming becoming the next Bangkok?

I stayed at Mo Hon Hotel in Mo Hon. A nice sunny clean room, good service, friendly staff, 60 Yuan per night and there was hot water all day long. The loud music from the next-door Karoake place could be annoying at night and it could last until one a.m. The hotel is about half km from the border crossing on your left. There were plenty of good cheap food in town and people were friendly.

There was only a small scene in town and I think I found it all. There were three or four shops on the alley behind the main road and then there were two or three shops on the extension of the same alley. The selection was not that good, the price would start at 150 at your hotel room, and the girls were all Chinese. The problem was that as soon as you stepped into a shop, the whole crowd outside would look over to watch you. Too loud, too much crowd, little selection, and to add to that the hesitation from the girls to go with a foreigner. I saw one very pretty, all dressed up in a miniskirt, and all dolled up. I made a mistake and didn’t pursue the laoban’s offer to take her. I kept looking and by then I didn’t feel like going back to find the pretty girl because not sure she would still be there, the laoban, the crowd, and etc.. I am sure the right price for ‘that’ one would be 100 for one pop at the hotel. I am very sure I saw all what was in town because the town was just too small to miss it. Mo Hon Hotel also had an in-house shop but the selection was only one!

The town itself is been rebuilt with all new buildings for shopping and housing. I wished I would stay in Mo Hon longer. I could see myself recouping for a few days but couldn’t dig with that small selection.

The minivan service from Mo Hon to Mengla is 17 Yuan, you could flag one as the driver is going slowly to catch passengers, and it takes about an hour. There are two bus stations in Mengla so be prepared to hop on a taxi ride (wu kuai) to reach the next bus station a few km into the city. I had a waiting time at the Mengla bus station and hung around outside the bus station a little. It must have been very early afternoon hours but still a couple of women laoban approached me to see if I wanted a meimei. It seemed like they would call the girls to come. One laobon was an early middle-age woman, had a good body, good skin, and nice rack and I am sure I would have thought of seducing her if I had any more time. I didn’t stay in Mengla because by then I had already exhausted myself with short staying at too many cities so I just wanted to get myself to Si Mao.

Yesterday was one of the few warm sunny days we've had here in Kunming for sometime, so I thought I'd follow up on a tip Southgate gave me and managed to locate a 1/2 dozen or so "massage shops" clustered together. The particular establishment I tried had 7 girls available,so I carefully picked out the girl I considered the most attractive, I'd give her an 8 rating. I was surprised to find her fully shaven, not something I'd expected to see in China, particularly in Kunming. I'd rate the service which followed (CBJ & FS) a 7. She was very obliging and had good technique, even enthusiastically posed for a few pictures, but as is often the case lacked real passion for her work. It was early afternoon and after the session the girls invited me to sit with them to have a chat. I'd guess foreigners are a bit of a rarity and business at that time of day is a bit slow. My very limited mandarin meant the conversation was equally limited, but from what I could gather there was no boss, they are all free agents and as such I suspect they will each decide what they are willing to offer and at what price. They where all happy to pose for some group shots. If any of the forum members in good standing, with information to exchange, would like the location details and pictures of the girls, then please PM me.

When I arrived at the bus station I asked a taxi driver to take me to a hotel so, he took me to the most expensive hotel in town. I had to explain I was looking for something more reasonable and closer to where the actions were (in broken Chinese, sign and body language) then; he took me to another hotel. Later on, I discovered that it was exactly where I wanted to be. The hotel was on Xi Lu past the police station. 50 Yuan per night, good service, okay staff, the bathroom was okay and there was hot water but the room was questionable. It looked like it was not dusted for ages. Later on I discovered a better hotel, Hua Yuan Hotel on Dong Lu located conveniently where you would like to be. A newer hotel with clean large room, decent bathroom and hot water, 60 Yuan per night. I felt too lazy to make a move for my short staying but next time, I would definitely stay there.

The actions were located where they were previously reported. I say about a half-dozen shops on each road. The quality was not that impressive and the selection was average. Probably two, three sometimes five, six per shops. The price would start at 300, which I would just laugh then it would drop to 200 and when I started to leave it dropped to 150 Yuan. The first couple of shops wouldn’t budge until one caved in and gave it away for 100 Yuan in my room. After that it was like opening a floodgate and the rest followed. Once they saw me leaving with one then they knew. The first one I tried was a rushed service. She was disappointed that I didn’t take her up on her offer for bj for additional 100 so, she tried to be quick and to rush me which was okay because I needed to release quickly anyway. Just a reminder, beware of those who show too much cleavage because they don’t have the body to go with it. I guess I didn’t stay with my own words and still felt for it, again.

The next couple of ones I took from the same shop. Younger, better looking, friendlier, and better service, 100 Yuan per pop in my hotel room. There is also a row of shops on Linyuan Road that is about a couple of km or so parallel to Zhong Lu. There were about a dozed of them but the quality was not that good and they would start the price with 150. Of course, it was late at night and the selection might have been better earlier in the evening. I don’t think I could distinguish the Chinese ethnic groups much but there were definitely some different looking ones among them. There were also a few shops on the road that comes from the bus station, passed the traffic circle with the stone monument. Again the quality didn’t seem to be that good but it was better than Linyuan Road. I am now wondering if their price of 150 was for an overnight service.

I thought Si Mao was too crowded for its size but still friendly. There is only one road with major shops, stores and the crowd but I had a hard time to find something decent to eat. A taxi ride in Si Mao is wu kuai except coming from the bus station to town (only), it is shi kuai.

Is there another bus station in town because I couldn’t get a direct bus ride to other destinations in my list? I had to have a stopover somewhere in between and stay over-night. It seemed to be easier to take a faster service to Kunming and transfer from there. The scenery around Si Mao was very nice. Spectacular landscape everywhere but I guess the government would need to know that steep cuts for transportation would always fail no matter how much they could mitigate. The bus service to Kunming was very nice and comfortable and it included lunch at a mid-way town, which unfortunately I couldn’t eat the food. So, they escorted me to outside and went with me to find a place to eat. Has anyone ever been in Pu Er?

Tried to find BBS and had no luck (even around train station, as in previous report).

Golden Dragon Hotel at 575 Beijiing Lu has a Health Club, where you can order a "special message". You go thru a special door and into a nice room with a mirrored wall, king bed,and the famous big rubber ball in the corner.

Got to chose from 5 girls (all 8s). My choice & I showered and got down to business. BJ & FS plus a little doggy using the big rubber ball. No rush and nice vibe. Girl even had a cig after. Went early evening and got the price down to 400RMB from the start point of 600 RMB.

After leaving Spa, on Beijing Lu, several touts/mamasans were trying to take room orders.

hi guys, i will be back in kunming soon and it is good to see that you are all contributing more than in the past. please keep it up. we need this kind of info. regarding the sex police that atomic and others wrote about, i have avoided bbs because of them and because some of the girls are ****. one girl told me she was 16. it would be bad news to get caught with a 16 year old regardless of what you think of the morality of this. i would like to hear news about saunas. i had posted previously about the 巨尊国际商务会馆 (ju zu guoji shangwu huiguan) on dianchi lu which has beautiful and very passionate ladies on the 5th floor. how about the other places? please post your experiences and please pm me any time。

If any of you find yourselves in small city of Qu Jing, (one and half hours from Kunming by train) in need of company, then I suggest you try looking at the BBS located both sides of 50. 100 Bei Lu. The girls in the BBS on the even numbered side of the street appeared to be younger and more attractive, with the ladies on the odd side older, but more enthusiastic.

Two days ago, GF and I were waiting at the KM airport to pick up a friend. Friend calls from Shen Zhen to say that her plane is delayed three hours due to storms. What to do? We wander out of the airport toward Chun Cheng Lu and there is the airport hotel. How about dinner and a massage? After dinner, we take the elevator to the sauna on the 7th floor. I had never been to this sauna and was curious as to what services might be available. Out of the elevator and up a short winding staircase. Laoban seems to assume that only I, not GF, want service. First good sign. We ask if we can soak in a hot tub and get a massage. He explains that they have special rooms for that. Second good sign. He takes us through a false door down a corridor with pink lights Third good sign. Then into a room attached to a spa tub and with one of those huge beach balls that sauna girls like to fuck on. Fourth good sign. GF and I have good bath and good love making. Three days later I return alone and share one of these rooms with Sa Sa, 26 yo from Sichuan. Very oral, likes to suck my fingers or tongue while fucking. Likes my DATY. Both of us come a couple of times. Gives me her number. I get hard thinking of her and it was only three hours ago that we met. These rooms would be ideal for a small orgy. Anyone interested?

Atomic,

If the girl pulls you in, isn't that pretty much legitimate there?

[QUOTE=Atomic Sunburn]I went to the train station the other day to pick someone up. I arrived about 30 mins. early, so instead of waiting around I went for a walk and came across 1/2 a dozen or so BBS quite close to the Kunming station, 1st right, then 1st left as you walk away from the passenger exit and across the road from a large bus depot. Is anyone familiar with these BBS? One of the women tried to drag me inside as I walked past, but I pulled away saying that my hair was fine. It was about 10am so I wasn't sure if these were legit BBS or more was available. Are these the BBS Harold Bell mentioned having being closed down during the olympics? I am living here in Kunming and would like to find someplace regular that's not too expensive. The Sunshine sauna for example is something I couldn't afford too often. There are some BBS mentioned in other posts, but these are quite old and I'm not sure if they are still operating. Is there anyone out there with some more up to date information?[/QUOTE]

Hi Cwomd,

Wow you really pulled that old post from the vault. Shows how little information is available on the Kunming thread. In answer to your question, they were indeed legit BBS and I have since found what I was looking for elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Cwomd]Atomic,

If the girl pulls you in, isn't that pretty much legitimate there?[/QUOTE]

Anything interesting in the Xinying bei lu area?

I went the BBS on Xi Yuan Lu near Dan Xia Lu as mentioned by South Gate. It all depends on which girl you take. The experience could range from good to bad. I got a good one with tight pussy and good service. The other one just rushed me through. For the price, I think it's worth a try.

[QUOTE=South Gate]times. Gives me her number. I get hard thinking of her and it was only three hours ago that we met. These rooms would be ideal for a small orgy. Anyone interested?[/QUOTE]


Pricing details

I'm posting the business card for the sauna in Dianchi lu that southgate recommended some time back. I was unable to post it when I was in Kunming, not sure why, may have something to do with the great chinese firewall.

On Beijing Lu adjacent to the Golden Dragon Hotel. There is a gal in a long red coat to greet you outside and send you up the elevator. No English but universal hand signs get you through the correct door. They asked for 600 and we settle at 450. First night in Kunming so I did not want to walk out the door.

A line up of 4, all above average, wearing street clothes, I picked the one smiling. 21 from Guizhou. There is shower and steam room attached to the room. She had a fantastic and well proportioned body. Cat bath, half hearted HJ, CBJ and doggie to mish finish. Not much of a GFE.

i was approached by some mommies in the golden dragon hotel previously when i visited sunshine sauna. i returned to ascertain what action was available. about 9 pm, no english but i understood enough putonghua to hear she was offering a 18 y/o beautiful girl and in hand signals she asked if i wanted tall, slender or big bussomed. can you get them all? i asked for young and slender. she asked for 400 and quickly compromised to 250 from my 200 offer. perhaps business is slow.

within 10 minutes, a young cute girl not beautiful as she had on normal unrevealing clothes and no makeup, shows up, her innocence won me over. i had showed the mommie my hotel card so she knew where were going.

taxi to the hotel and this gal was very careful to latch the chain as well when i closed the door. showered together, she did not like kissing but let me explore with my finger. doggie and mish and she was tight, i know because i am not big and she was feeling it-well i was too.

on payment she asked for another 20 for taxi but did not argue when i gave her 10 since that was the fare to get to the hotel.

she wrote down her number but i will try other options in kmg. on her way out, she motioned for me to stay away from the door. she checked the peep hole and stuck her head out to look each way down the hallway before departing. also she keeps her condoms in her bra. this one trained to be very careful.

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Nice place, reserved online with Ctrip. Near corner of Renmin East and Huancheng East around the corner from WalMart. Sauna on the 18th floor. No English. Asked for an mo and quoted 158, looking to just get the kinks out of my legs, ok with me if just a HE. Normal locker and shower. The room has just a bed and TV. Lineup of 4, all had similar to stewardess outfit with neck scarf but with a miniskirt. Picked the short one with big dimples, TianTian. Able to rub along her legs and thighs but you get a light slap if you venture too high. Toward the end, went ahead and put her hand on little bro (still had the pj's on) but she made it clear no hanky panky allowed. Yikes, no HE! Good thing I understand a few words. She will come to my hotel room since I am staying in the hotel. She asked for 1K, we settle on 600, she had to ask the boss on the phone but I am not sure what I am getting, one pop or a set time. I know, call me a dummy.

I hurry out and pay for the mediocre massage. She shows up at the room in 15 minutes in jeans and a light blouse. Total GFE. Immediate kiss, and lets my hands roam. We undress each other and shower together and I get a nice titty soapy massage. Onto the bed for LFK, DATY, covered 69 but doesn't like the finger in too far. Changes cover, standing doggie, quite a moaner-such a good actress but good for my ego. Cuddle, shower again, cuddle more, gives me her digits. No tip requested and nice kiss on her way out the door.

Interestingly, a few days later in the elevator, two guys, Chinese and european are speaking German as they press the 18th floor button and I hear them mention her name. I just smile.

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Yangkang Road East is a small street in between the Golden Dragon and Kai Wah Hotels. A block and a half from Beijing Road as you walk east on the left side is a little shop with a big window, Coffee and Tea Shop. No pink or purple lights but a few young gals sitting around not drinking coffee or tea but watching tv. I am curious as my radar tells me this may be a BBS type establishment. Two steps in and an older woman points at the girls and says in Chinese, beautiful girls. Jackpot. My hotel is a taxi ride away so I get take out for 250, they had asked for 300. I am sure if you are speak better than I do, you can get lower. I assume your activities can be completed on the premises if desired.

When we get to the hotel, we walk right by the front desk and I just look straight ahead; I am sure the staff is smiling at this guy more than old enough to be the father of the young gal on my arm. I find out that I have selected a Guizhou 18 year old who is still developing. The gal gets in the shower and locks the bathroom door. That is OK, gives me a chance to lock everything up just in case as I had not done so before, had not expected to score. When I get into the bathroom, she has just about gone thru all the freebies; doesn't matter, there is two of everything and I only need one toothbrush. When I get out of the shower, she is now munching on the cookies that I bought earlier, so funny. Straight sex, nothing exciting to report. Sent her off with payment and taxi fare.

It is always fun to find something you are not expecting.

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This is not for the faint hearted. My description my go against the precautions you read about in the forum but bear in mind that a local was my guide and it was daytime. I just had to sample once how and where the locals do it.

From the South Railway Station, cross onto Beijing Road on the left side and proceed one main block to Yongping Road. Just before you get to Yongping, to the left is a wide walkway/bikeway but no cars that angles away from Yongping Road. Walk just a bit and on the left is a two story indoor cell phone market, on the google map it is noted as Public Telephone Supermarket. Just past here the runners (ladies) will find you. You are walked to a nearby building, up a few stairs and into a small room with two bunk beds and a television. Four gals, one young and surprisingly overweight, one older and two apparent mid 20's age are glued to the TV. There is a door out of this room into a corridor with rooms big enough for a double bed and one chair. Not filthy but I did not want to step on the floor without shoes either.

The runner had quoted 80 and wanted payment before the deed. No hassle as I am sure this is how they do business. Gave her a hundred and she did not give change, 20 is for the runner. I pick one of the two in their 20's and find out she is 21. Can you say slam, bam thank you madame? Jeans off but top on, though she does not object to me pushing her top and bra up. A minor bit of HJ and then I believe she asks my permission to use a cover. Wouldn't do it any other way especially here if the other customers insist on it without a cover. I did not attempt a kiss and certainly not DATY. Now I am just like a local just not one of the rich ones who splurges at the KTV. And one time is enough.

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have not been to the train station neighborhood for quite a while. Yesterday, after reading Cal 8 posting, had cab drop me in front of Jin Jiang Hotel. Found the little road that Cal 8 describes and the middle aged female pimps. Did not follow up.

This is not for the faint hearted. My description my go against the precautions you read about in the forum but bear in mind that a local was my guide and it was daytime. I just had to sample once how and where the locals do it.

From the South Railway Station, cross onto Beijing Road on the left side and proceed one main block to Yongping Road. Just before you get to Yongping, to the left is a wide walkway/bikeway but no cars that angles away from Yongping Road. Walk just a bit and on the left is a two story indoor cell phone market, on the google map it is noted as Public Telephone Supermarket. Just past here the runners (ladies) will find you. You are walked to a nearby building, up a few stairs and into a small room with two bunk beds and a television. Four gals, one young and surprisingly overweight, one older and two apparent mid 20's age are glued to the TV. There is a door out of this room into a corridor with rooms big enough for a double bed and one chair. Not filthy but I did not want to step on the floor without shoes either.

The runner had quoted 80 and wanted payment before the deed. No hassle as I am sure this is how they do business. Gave her a hundred and she did not give change, 20 is for the runner. I pick one of the two in their 20's and find out she is 21. Can you say slam, bam thank you madame? Jeans off but top on, though she does not object to me pushing her top and bra up. A minor bit of HJ and then I believe she asks my permission to use a cover. Wouldn't do it any other way especially here if the other customers insist on it without a cover. I did not attempt a kiss and certainly not DATY. Now I am just like a local just not one of the rich ones who splurges at the KTV. And one time is enough.

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On the corner of Qian Xing Lu and Ri Xin Lu, there is a just build overpass crossing to handle all the increased north south traffic to and from this rapidly developing part of town. To get to this corner from the center of town, tell the driver to take you south on Xi Chang Lu, then onto Hai Geng Lu and past the south second ring onto Qian Xing Lu. You want to get off at the corner of Ri XinLU. From the airport, take Chun Cheng Lu to Ri Xin Lu, then Ri Xin Lu west to Qian Xing Lu. The sauna is on the north east corner of the street. Until they built the overpass crossing, it was quite a busy sauna with a lot of families coming to rest, bathe and get massage. It seems to be doing poorly now. SO WHY BOTHER GOING THERE? I passed the place yesterday and I wondered, why and how does this place, hidden by the construction keep open? Must be something special here!!! Curiosity and horniness had me in the lobby changing into sauna slippers and asking for a massage. I passed through the totally vacant spa area and past the second floor just as abandoned eating and resting rooms to the third floor, down a long hall and into a massage room where Xiao Yang, Number 6 was waiting for me in her bright red dress and with her happy bouncy smile and demeanor. She says she is 29 but she may be a couple of years older. She has a beautiful body with large firm breasts with big nipples. Her face isnt beautiful but always wears a cute smile. Her pussy is fresh like a flower. Within 5 minutes, we had agreed to a tuiyou massage which included a breast job and bbbj and rimming but not intercourse for 268 yuan. She said "women bu zuo ai" (We dont make love). OK will lets see. The enthusiastic teasing, licking and sucking on my genitals and butthole that followed almost brought me to explode five times. LIke a true professional she stopped that by pressing hard between my butthole and balls. She said so cutely, "Wo zheli an, ni bu chu lai le"( I press here, you dont come). After about 25 minutes of her "treatment", I treated her to my own cat bath and DATY. She was very excited and agreed to fuck but I had to find the condom (which I had in my bag). We fucked and I came too fast. Next time, and there assuredly will be a next time, I will control myself better. Next time I will also bring a camera and take photos for you enjoyment. If you have questions about this place or would like to go with me some day, let me know.

My first visit to Kunming. There are many options here. A friend who has been here suggested I check out a certain neighborhood just west of the Kunming train station (main), which is a warren of twisty lanes, he said around 1 sq km of a locals, low-end brothel area. I am not above doing business in such places; it can be fun. He said to expect prices 50-100 RMB.

I guess he hasn't been here in awhile, because it's gone. [u]Really[/u] gone. I mean, it's a huge fenced-in hole now, waiting to be the foundation for several large buildings. If you liked this squalid brothel area on your last visit, sorry to break the news to you. It's not coming back, at least not here. The days of the legendary ladies sitting out front knitting as a sign that they are open for business are over, at least here. It also means the trade is going more upscale, which is good and bad.

Well, there is still one brothel on the very edge of the construction site. A couple of middle-aged ladies wanted me as a customer. In fact, along the south side of Yongping Road between Nanba Road and Beijing Road you'll find a dozen or so ladies looking for customers, at least they were there when I was there early Friday evening 17:00-19:00. I bet there are at least some there 24 hours.

I did not realize at first that they were only mamasans. I remember being amazed that anyone would take them. But one was not so bad, I asked the price (100 RMB, which I did not attempt to negotiate, but if I spoke Chinese I may have talked her down a bit) and I went with her.

She took me a half block up one of the streets running north from Yongping Road (parallel to Beijing Road, and west of it). I didn't see a name, and google maps does not show names for some of them, but it was the one with barber and hairdresser supplies (including poles). It doesn't really matter the name, because if you go there, you'll be led by a mommy. So in a way, this is the new brothel district, and it's probably nicer quarters than before, while not necessarily more expensive.

Up on the third floor, she took me to a spartan room, not too bad (but shared bath down the hall was a squatter), and introduced two ladies. One was young (around 20) and pretty - and looked very unhappy with her profession. The other was more seasoned, and seemed amused with the prospect of having a white monkey for a customer. I prefer ones who are able to smile. I don't require young hotties, who in my experience have the worst attitude; they just lie there, one position, wishing you'd hurry up. I'd rather have someone who is halfway into pleasing her customer, and such ladies tend to be 25-35.

I was invited in to get a haircut at a couple of shops on the south side of Yongping Road, midway between Beijing and Nanba Roads. That's odd, since I have a fresh crew cut. And why are the girls sitting out front, and nobody in the chairs? OK, I'm not really [u]that[/u] naïve. I did not get a price; I would guess 100 or a little higher. Another night. The girls there seemed 22-32. I assume that with four of them hanging out in front, what you see is what you get, that is, they are not runners but the girl you'll get.

On the upper end of the scale, I suspect that most hotels in the train station area (or maybe everywhere in China) have some kind of sauna or VIP club that offers services at higher prices, but nicer facilities and probably classier women. Some, like Sunshine Sauna, are separate from the hotel.

I doubt the main train station neighborhood is the only place to find fun, but I'm still new here, and it seems easy and reliable there.

BTW ISG is blocked in China, as are many sites. If you want to get through, check out freedur.com. Note that I have no affiliation with them, but have tried the service and it works (for FB and twitter too).

[QUOTE=Steve Naive]My first visit to Kunming. There are many options here. A friend who has been here suggested I check out a certain neighborhood just west of the Kunming train station (main), which is a warren of twisty lanes, he said around 1 sq km of a locals, low-end brothel area. I am not above doing business in such places; it can be fun. He said to expect prices 50-100 RMB.

I guess he hasn't been here in awhile, because it's gone. [u]Really[/u] gone. I mean, it's a huge fenced-in hole now, waiting to be the foundation for several large buildings. If you liked this squalid brothel area on your last visit, sorry to break the news to you. It's not coming back, at least not here. The days of the legendary ladies sitting out front knitting as a sign that they are open for business are over, at least here. It also means the trade is going more upscale, which is good and bad.

Well, there is still one brothel on the very edge of the construction site. A couple of middle-aged ladies wanted me as a customer. In fact, along the south side of Yongping Road between Nanba Road and Beijing Road you'll find a dozen or so ladies looking for customers, at least they were there when I was there early Friday evening 17:00-19:00. I bet there are at least some there 24 hours.

I did not realize at first that they were only mamasans. I remember being amazed that anyone would take them. But one was not so bad, I asked the price (100 RMB, which I did not attempt to negotiate, but if I spoke Chinese I may have talked her down a bit) and I went with her.

She took me a half block up one of the streets running north from Yongping Road (parallel to Beijing Road, and west of it). I didn't see a name, and google maps does not show names for some of them, but it was the one with barber and hairdresser supplies (including poles). It doesn't really matter the name, because if you go there, you'll be led by a mommy. So in a way, this is the new brothel district, and it's probably nicer quarters than before, while not necessarily more expensive.

Up on the third floor, she took me to a spartan room, not too bad (but shared bath down the hall was a squatter), and introduced two ladies. One was young (around 20) and pretty - and looked very unhappy with her profession. The other was more seasoned, and seemed amused with the prospect of having a white monkey for a customer. I prefer ones who are able to smile. I don't require young hotties, who in my experience have the worst attitude; they just lie there, one position, wishing you'd hurry up. I'd rather have someone who is halfway into pleasing her customer, and such ladies tend to be 25-35.

I was invited in to get a haircut at a couple of shops on the south side of Yongping Road, midway between Beijing and Nanba Roads. That's odd, since I have a fresh crew cut. And why are the girls sitting out front, and nobody in the chairs? OK, I'm not really [u]that[/u] naïve. I did not get a price; I would guess 100 or a little higher. Another night. The girls there seemed 22-32. I assume that with four of them hanging out in front, what you see is what you get, that is, they are not runners but the girl you'll get.

On the upper end of the scale, I suspect that most hotels in the train station area (or maybe everywhere in China) have some kind of sauna or VIP club that offers services at higher prices, but nicer facilities and probably classier women. Some, like Sunshine Sauna, are separate from the hotel.

I doubt the main train station neighborhood is the only place to find fun, but I'm still new here, and it seems easy and reliable there.

BTW ISG is blocked in China, as are many sites. If you want to get through, check out freedur.com. Note that I have no affiliation with them, but have tried the service and it works (for FB and twitter too).[/QUOTE]

Steve Naive,

Thanks for your contribution. Very concise with directions, pricing, etc. Looking forward to more of the same.

OAH

i am staying at camellia hotel. in the off-season, i am getting a decent price - 200 rmb - for a decent room with internet and breakfast. i'd prefer to have a hotel closer to the railroad stationfor the hobby, but taxis are cheap, and this is a good place, though not fancy or modern.

i climbed xi shan today, and that left me wanting a therapeutic massage.

there is a massage parlor in the same building that i somehow assumed would be a real massage parlor offering real massages, as in therapeutic. it does not seem to have an actual name, but if you come to the camellia hotel (dongfeng rd, east of baita road), it's part of the same complex.

signs offered a full-body massage for 50. that's all i wanted. but the upsell started with the guy at the desk when i asked for it: 88 for full-body with foot massage is a very good deal, sir. but i only want full-body... and back and forth like that all the way into the room.

he brought to a locker room and wanted to help me undress (something i don't like), then a private massage room... obvious signs that this was to be about sex, not massage, and that they would be squeezing me for money every step.

i usually go to one kind of lady for a good massage, and a different provider for sex. i have made exceptions, but usually specialists are best at their chosen craft.

number 18 came in. she was a bit chubby, nice natural biggish boobs, probably around 30, about 4 in looks overall. wearing a miniskirt that exposed about 3 inches of her lower pubic area (but wearing knickers) - not sexy in her case - and a low-cut top to show off her best asset.

she was non-stop upsell. even when i finally gave in and accepted the rmb100 "oil massage" (which means oily hj here, not the use of oil in a body massage like in usa), even as i was about to come, she was telling me that i should let her do a boob massage for me instead, and telling me i should come back tomorrow, and be sure to ask for her, number 18.

when you pay rmb 100 for an oil massage, it is in addition to the cost of the "body massage", but it takes away time from the body massage too. but that could be a good thing if the masseuse is busy chopping the spine of your neck, or the bones and cartilage of your knees, as happened tonight.

i have to admit that some of her massage efforts did release my sore and tired muscles, and i did not feel pain in my knees and neck like i thought i might from being beaten there. and she did make me pop, even if it was during an upsell pitch.

150 rmb for a fair body massage, an oily hand for he, and a guy who i had to fight off from helping me undress/dress insisting on a tip... well, i obviously won't go back.

i know i can get fs for 100 rmb or maybe less down by the train station (see earlier post). now if only i could find a place for just a good quality massage. i know that in china such massages often take place in a public room with others around, but i haven't seen any of those places here - they are all over in beijing.

Hi,

I have just arrived and will be here for a couple of months. I have RTFF and cannot see any references to a Fuzhou Special (HJ only), please do let me know if you know any.

Also potentially interested in checking out a KTV if any regular posters in here are interested in going (would need someone to lead the way), I see in an earlier post you can find nakedness and groping for RMB200, wouldn't mind checking it out since I never did in 3.5 years in Shanghai.

In any case I will do some exploring and post a report or three later.

Cheers

Mianbao

SW are on the dark streets after 10pm and there's the "special" massage place nearby-out the back door into the private apt for FS. Go for the older ones. At least they know how to do their job. ST 150-200. LT 300+extra if you opt for the budget hotel room (50). Saunas are still better (400 FS). PM me for details. Mama and girls will boldly approach you.

[QUOTE=Seaforte]SW are on the dark streets after 10pm and there's the "special" massage place nearby-out the back door into the private apt for FS. Go for the older ones. At least they know how to do their job. ST 150-200. LT 300+extra if you opt for the budget hotel room (50). Saunas are still better (400 FS). PM me for details. Mama and girls will boldly approach you.[/QUOTE]

Unable to PM you, probably because you are a regular member.

there is a dance hall very close to where i am staying, and as i noticed some reasonably attractive women entering previously i thought i’d give it a go.

no go however – i was denied entrance at the door, obviously because i am a foreigner. this came as a surprise as i have found this kind of xenophobia very rare in china, i’ve never been denied entrance to a venue before, and in chengdu i had a great time chatting to the locals and dancing with the women in a dance hall. oh well, their loss…

i therefore went for a walk instead and saw a few bbs around (this is outside the city centre in the suburbs, as mentioned by other posters before there are no bbs in central kunming). they were not hard to spot as had girls sitting around looking bored, and most have the chinese characters for massage stuck on the window (there was also some legit looking massage places around but these are more upmarket and bored girls are not visible around the doorway).

in the first one i had a normal massage for rmb50, an oily hand job was available for rmb100 but i thought that pricey, and as the girl was not very good looking i decided not to bother. after that i went to a second one, again the price for a oily hand job was quoted as rmb100, but as this girl was significantly more attractive (and as it was the second time i was quoted that price i suspect that is genuinely the going rate) i accepted. after a while i understood why it is this price (besides simple supply and demand – these places are not exactly on every street corner). what followed was a fantastic hour long slow hj, with the girl adjusting her speed to keep me in the right zone for such a long time. she also had a great personality and attitude despite being from the countryside.

these places are hj only, i confirmed this with the girls in each place.

what was slightly weird was that in both of these places i was invited to sit in the front of the shop and have a cup of tea with them before leaving. not sure if they are just being nice or they find chatting with a foreigner a novelty, but in the past i was used to putting my head down and walking away from these places as quickly as possible (feeling a bit embarrassed). sitting there in the second one on the sofa with the girls i almost felt like waiting for the next women to pass by and wave her in for some service!

steve,

look for the normal foot massage (anjiao) places. most have a private room for full body (anmo) massages. their upsell usually consists of trying to sell more expensive aromatic or therapeutic bath salts. most foot massage places charge the same for either foot (¥30) or full body (¥30) massage. you can usually do a double banger package (foot & body) for ¥60.

a massage place that does the oil massage will usually have "other" services.

hope that helps you find/screen the legit therapeutic places.

[QUOTE=Mianbao]Unable to PM you, probably because you are a regular member.[/QUOTE]MianBao

1. You can sponsor me (RTFF)

2. You can wait until I subscribe (long wait)

3. You can figure out a devious way to contact me. E. G. Log into the usasexguide.infosite and PM me there (seaforte03). But I RARELY check that site since I haven't lived or returned to the USA for over a decade (and not missing it one iota. Although Tijuana sounds kind of cool).

Spotted a Sauna on Remin West Rd across from the entrance of Kunming Medical University, had Sauna in English in small red lettering and a women in a red gown at the entrance. Didn't go in as Saunas are off the menu at the moment but might try sometime later.

A little unusual as the entrance is directly on the street and not inside a hotel or other establishment.

If you walk in an Easterly direction from this intersection on the right hand side, you’ll come across a gaggle of touts who would like to lead you down side alleys with the promise of “xiaojie” awaiting. This is approximately opposite a large billboard for BYD automotive on the other side. You’d need to be brave, as a westerner there is no way I’d follow them…

Nearby there is a neon sign with something Hui Suo in Chinese characters in pinyin. Walk directly underneath the side and you’ll find a side entrance to the hotel, and the sauna is on the 3rd floor. You can also walk in via the hotel lobby (walk to the back, don’t take an elevator in reception).

Usual sauna setup. Good lineup of about six to choose from. I was originally quoted outrageous prices, but got down to 500. It was clear I wasn’t going to be able to go lower. Service was OK but as happens with westerners in this part of China she was not very GFE as she was concerned about size or length of timing (had to explain that American porn movies are sometimes different from reality). Presume would be no issues if you are local. Upon leaving discovered that it was 400 and 100 was a tip that the girl had decided to give herself. It cost the sauna the loss of the sale of a membership card, which I explained to the manager (which BTW is 100, fifth visit is free).

Presume the large hotel on the north east corner of above intersection also has a sauna inside as there are tricycle taxis and so on waiting outside late at night.

Would be nice to see some more reports in this thread.

Walked up Bejing Lu Road one street from the Train station, then turned left. Some small shops with girls sitting around calling out "Anmo! " (Which is Chinese for Massage.) I figured I'd try it.

Walk in, girl directs me to the back, tells me it 40 Yuan and then begins a half-hearted almost painfully inept massage. An older woman enters and starts saying "200 Yuan 200 Yuan! " Along with a bunch of other Chinese words that I didn't understand. I say, "Anmo? 200? " And after a few minutes she starts getting angry, so I just figure I'll give it to her and see what happens.

So the girl continues the half-hearted painful massage and after 5 minutes I've had it. I get up and the girl literally Jumps on my back, knees first. It hurt, but it also cracked it effectively and felt a little good, but I doubt that is what she meant.

I went to the desk and one of the girls says, "Get out! " I warn her, if I don't get my money back I will return with the police. I say it in English then point to it in my English/Chinese book. The girls say a bunch of stuff then laugh about the police like the Chinese police are a joke? (The police are never a joke, especially the Chinese Police.) A Chinese boy having his hair cut says, "The police are not like the ones in Beijing. "

So I leave, sit with the police at the station and explain that I just wanted a massage for 40 Yuan and they charged me 200. After 10 minutes a captain arrives and we go to the place. He searches the place and the three massage girls have disappeared like Magicians, but I know where they went, and I think he does too.

He orders them to give me back 160 Yuan and then speaks to them for about 5 minutes in Chinese. Not sure what he said. He asks me many times if the girl who took my money is there and I tell him No, in fact, the girls that were at the shop I hadn't ever seen before.

God Bless the Chinese Police in Kunming. I wanted to just give him the money he got for helping to get it back, but I thought it might hurt his honor. It really isn't anything to do with the money, I just hate getting ripped off. If he had asked for 1,000 Yuan to take them to the station for questioning I would have given it to him on the spot.

Long story short, Kunming has some rip-off shops. I had high hopes of making a life here, volunteering to help the poor Hill Tribe people's. Now I'm just going to leave. One bad experience can ruin the reputation of a city, and this one has ruined Kunming for me.

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What would be the current price for decent 按摩 ànmó massage types in Kumming?
What does a back knocking massage feel like and 折枝 zhézhī massage ?

敲背 qiāobèi back-knocking massage

Thanks in advance.

Simplified Chinese -Mandarin -English

[size=3]按摩 ànmó massage

揉 róu to knead / to massage / to rub

足疗 zúliáo pedicure / foot massage 足療

泰式 Tàishì Thai-style of foot massage etc

摩挲 māsa to gently stroke / to rub / to massage / to do in a slipshod manner (colloquial) ?

折枝 zhézhī massage

敲背 qiāobèi back-knocking massage [/size]

Your chances of getting ripped off anywhere in China increase if:

1. You are near a train station
2. You don't speak Mandarin (at least learn the phrases for different types of service - there is a thread in this forum exactly for this).
3. It is just before or during the Chinese New Year period.

I am discovering from experience that despite being a tourism oriented city there are a lot of people in Kunming with very narrow minded attitudes and absolutely zero long term thinking (not a strength in China generally anyway). However if you follow some standard rules there is a lot of fun to be had:

1. Find out prices in advance by reading the forum, if specific information is hard to find in a specific thread then look in other threads as a guide (e.g. Kunming should be no more expensive than Chengdu or Chongqing for example). Then don't accept any nonsense.
2. Agree prices in advance
3. Pay when the service is finished, never hand over cash in advance or during service. If you get nonsense like you had with the older women barging in asking for RMB200, start to get up and leave. Having not paid anything yet they will soon realise that you are no fool and get on with the service.

I had an experience in a sauna recently where I knew the price, however the silly girl (who was from Sichuan, not a local) kept insisting on absurd prices, e.g. RMB1,000 for FS. My response was to say fine, I am leaving now and only paying the sauna the entrance fee. Had I left early she would have been fined, it shut her up pretty quickly and she got on with things (for the standard price, although the service was average anyway). I made it clear to the manager on the way out that the girl's foolishness cost the sauna the sale of a membership card, not that that will make any difference.

So one experience where you didn't get what you wanted in Kunming and you are going to leave China? Good. Grow up! Chinese people seldom get what they want and most can't leave China. Repeat. Grow up.

[QUOTE=Rqrose]Walked up Bejing Lu Road one street from the Train station, then turned left. Some small shops with girls sitting around calling out "Anmo! " (Which is Chinese for Massage.) I figured I'd try it.

Walk in, girl directs me to the back, tells me it 40 Yuan and then begins a half-hearted almost painfully inept massage. An older woman enters and starts saying "200 Yuan 200 Yuan! " Along with a bunch of other Chinese words that I didn't understand. I say, "Anmo? 200? " And after a few minutes she starts getting angry, so I just figure I'll give it to her and see what happens.

So the girl continues the half-hearted painful massage and after 5 minutes I've had it. I get up and the girl literally Jumps on my back, knees first. It hurt, but it also cracked it effectively and felt a little good, but I doubt that is what she meant.

I went to the desk and one of the girls says, "Get out! " I warn her, if I don't get my money back I will return with the police. I say it in English then point to it in my English/Chinese book. The girls say a bunch of stuff then laugh about the police like the Chinese police are a joke? (The police are never a joke, especially the Chinese Police.) A Chinese boy having his hair cut says, "The police are not like the ones in Beijing. "

So I leave, sit with the police at the station and explain that I just wanted a massage for 40 Yuan and they charged me 200. After 10 minutes a captain arrives and we go to the place. He searches the place and the three massage girls have disappeared like Magicians, but I know where they went, and I think he does too.

He orders them to give me back 160 Yuan and then speaks to them for about 5 minutes in Chinese. Not sure what he said. He asks me many times if the girl who took my money is there and I tell him No, in fact, the girls that were at the shop I hadn't ever seen before.

God Bless the Chinese Police in Kunming. I wanted to just give him the money he got for helping to get it back, but I thought it might hurt his honor. It really isn't anything to do with the money, I just hate getting ripped off. If he had asked for 1,000 Yuan to take them to the station for questioning I would have given it to him on the spot.

Long story short, Kunming has some rip-off shops. I had high hopes of making a life here, volunteering to help the poor Hill Tribe people's. Now I'm just going to leave. One bad experience can ruin the reputation of a city, and this one has ruined Kunming for me.

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It would cost more than 200 yuan to leave the area. Personal truama might be too much. Massage PTSD making it difficult to address the situation or treat in China.

PTSD has normal withdrawal response. Run for the hill and avoid the situation.

My POV.

[QUOTE=Waldeck2]So one experience where you didn't get what you wanted in Kunming and you are going to leave China? Good. Grow up! Chinese people seldom get what they want and most can't leave China. Repeat. Grow up.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rqrose]Walked up Bejing Lu Road one street from the Train station, then turned left. Some small shops with girls sitting around calling out "Anmo! " (Which is Chinese for Massage.) I figured I'd try it.

Walk in, girl directs me to the back, tells me it 40 Yuan and then begins a half-hearted almost painfully inept massage. An older woman enters and starts saying "200 Yuan 200 Yuan! " Along with a bunch of other Chinese words that I didn't understand. I say, "Anmo? 200? " And after a few minutes she starts getting angry, so I just figure I'll give it to her and see what happens.

So the girl continues the half-hearted painful massage and after 5 minutes I've had it. I get up and the girl literally Jumps on my back, knees first. It hurt, but it also cracked it effectively and felt a little good, but I doubt that is what she meant.

I went to the desk and one of the girls says, "Get out! " I warn her, if I don't get my money back I will return with the police. I say it in English then point to it in my English/Chinese book. The girls say a bunch of stuff then laugh about the police like the Chinese police are a joke? (The police are never a joke, especially the Chinese Police.) A Chinese boy having his hair cut says, "The police are not like the ones in Beijing. "

So I leave, sit with the police at the station and explain that I just wanted a massage for 40 Yuan and they charged me 200. After 10 minutes a captain arrives and we go to the place. He searches the place and the three massage girls have disappeared like Magicians, but I know where they went, and I think he does too.

He orders them to give me back 160 Yuan and then speaks to them for about 5 minutes in Chinese. Not sure what he said. He asks me many times if the girl who took my money is there and I tell him No, in fact, the girls that were at the shop I hadn't ever seen before.

God Bless the Chinese Police in Kunming. I wanted to just give him the money he got for helping to get it back, but I thought it might hurt his honor. It really isn't anything to do with the money, I just hate getting ripped off. If he had asked for 1,000 Yuan to take them to the station for questioning I would have given it to him on the spot.

Long story short, Kunming has some rip-off shops. I had high hopes of making a life here, volunteering to help the poor Hill Tribe people's. Now I'm just going to leave. One bad experience can ruin the reputation of a city, and this one has ruined Kunming for me.

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Rqrose,

I can't believe that you went to the police for 160 RMB. This shit happens all the time all over China. Mianbao has made some good points:

1) You should have negotiated the service in advance. Obviously, you thought that the 200 RMB was going to get you extra service. Why didn't you ask directly? Chinese is not necessary. You could have used basic hand signs and body language to get your point across.

2) You paid first.

3) If you were not happy, you should have just left when they asked you for the 200 RMB.

IMHO, you would have received a HE for the 200 RMB had you waited until the end. Normally, the places that give you half ass massages are really only HE places. 200 RMB is too much for the HE, but then you are a laowai and they thought they could get away with it.

When these sort of things happen to me, I just pay up and chalk it up to bad luck. One does not want to create trouble and risk reprucussions down the road in China. The fact that you will leave Kunming over one incident like this is totally ridiculous.

Just my POV.

OAH

[QUOTE=Rqrose]Long story short, Kunming has some rip-off shops. I had high hopes of making a life here, volunteering to help the poor Hill Tribe people's. Now I'm just going to leave. One bad experience can ruin the reputation of a city, and this one has ruined Kunming for me.
[/QUOTE]
One experience in a massage place and a dispute when you don't speak a common language ..... over sex!!

Versus "volunteering to help the poor Hill Tribe people."

RMB 160 huh?

LOL!

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe,

Well shucks - guess you'll be leaving then (leaving more PT for we local punters). Wish you the best finding other needy hill people with economical local PT service (PT=poon tang).

You are completely right, I just wrote this as a warning, but of course it was my fault for paying first.

Actually as I was getting up to leave the girl said, "Okay Okay XieJioa! " or something like it? But at that point I just wanted to leave.

Really I don't know why I let things get so out of hand. I admit it was my fault for paying up front, something you NEVER do, EVER. I've gone over and over it in my mind and it was definitely a combination of mis-communication and Lets-overcharge whitey, but if I hadn't agreed to pay up-front I wouldn't have gotten so uncomfortable about the bad massage.

[QUOTE=Mianbao]Your chances of getting ripped off anywhere in China increase if:

1. You are near a train station
2. You don't speak Mandarin (at least learn the phrases for different types of service - there is a thread in this forum exactly for this).
3. It is just before or during the Chinese New Year period.

I am discovering from experience that despite being a tourism oriented city there are a lot of people in Kunming with very narrow minded attitudes and absolutely zero long term thinking (not a strength in China generally anyway). However if you follow some standard rules there is a lot of fun to be had:

1. Find out prices in advance by reading the forum, if specific information is hard to find in a specific thread then look in other threads as a guide (e.g. Kunming should be no more expensive than Chengdu or Chongqing for example). Then don't accept any nonsense.
2. Agree prices in advance
3. Pay when the service is finished, never hand over cash in advance or during service. If you get nonsense like you had with the older women barging in asking for RMB200, start to get up and leave. Having not paid anything yet they will soon realise that you are no fool and get on with the service.

I had an experience in a sauna recently where I knew the price, however the silly girl (who was from Sichuan, not a local) kept insisting on absurd prices, e.g. RMB1,000 for FS. My response was to say fine, I am leaving now and only paying the sauna the entrance fee. Had I left early she would have been fined, it shut her up pretty quickly and she got on with things (for the standard price, although the service was average anyway). I made it clear to the manager on the way out that the girl's foolishness cost the sauna the sale of a membership card, not that that will make any difference.[/QUOTE]

Gentlemen, I recently spent several days at the Jun Xu Bin Guan, an Army hotel at the corner of Jianshe Lou and Yi-Er-Yi Jie. It's the heart of the university district, in sight of the Normal University. Every night, around ten pm, there's a hooker call, asking if you want massage ("an mo"). Accept, and it's 300 kuai for vaginal sex in your room. The BJ is getting rare and nobody went along when I suggested anal. Not extra-special, but not a bad deal either. Even though it's nominally an Army hotel, anyone can stay there, it seems.

Harold Bell

Is the scene in Yuxi still active? I had a good time there a few years back, but things can change quickly. I'd like to revisit but it's a little out of my way. Anyone been there recently?

Thanks in advance.

If BBSes have left Kunming inside the first ring road, where have they gone to? Their former customers are not going to want to go to more expensive saunas.

[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]Rqrose,

I can't believe that you went to the police for 160 RMB. This shit happens all the time all over China. Mianbao has made some good points:

1) You should have negotiated the service in advance. Obviously, you thought that the 200 RMB was going to get you extra service. Why didn't you ask directly? Chinese is not necessary. You could have used basic hand signs and body language to get your point across.

2) You paid first.

3) If you were not happy, you should have just left when they asked you for the 200 RMB.

IMHO, you would have received a HE for the 200 RMB had you waited until the end. Normally, the places that give you half ass massages are really only HE places. 200 RMB is too much for the HE, but then you are a laowai and they thought they could get away with it.

When these sort of things happen to me, I just pay up and chalk it up to bad luck. One does not want to create trouble and risk reprucussions down the road in China. The fact that you will leave Kunming over one incident like this is totally ridiculous.

Just my POV.

OAH[/QUOTE]Rqrose did it right since he was in the good hand. The wrong belonged to the shop with all that insults. That is why the police took it to action.

If Rqrose got ripped off over action, he naturally gets lost even he lost 3000rmb. That thing no one can call police on. Unless you got hit then yeah that is the case

[QUOTE=Harold Bell]If BBSes have left Kunming inside the first ring road, where have they gone to? Their former customers are not going to want to go to more expensive saunas.[/QUOTE]

Outside the first ring road.

[QUOTE=Mianbao]Outside the first ring road.[/QUOTE]


More details, please? Near the North Train Station, for example?

[QUOTE=Rod The Mod]Is the scene in Yuxi still active? I had a good time there a few years back, but things can change quickly. I'd like to revisit but it's a little out of my way. Anyone been there recently?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately, the bus station to Yuxi has moved to Cheng Gong. Getting to the Cheng Gong bus station is quite a journey in itself!

So where are all girls at?

We've learned where they are not, so where are they?

Name: Unknown
Face: 2.5/5
Body: 2/5
Estimated age of the girl: 30+
Skill: 3/5
Service: 3/5
Detailed account of the experience:
Just got back from a 3 week visit to China, most of which was spent in Kunming. I was on a pretty short leash at first and was unable to break away till halfway into my stay, to follow up on a sauna house tip that I was given by a another occasional Kunming resident. The sauna in question is located on the North/East corner of the Qianming lu and Rixin lu intersection. They are in the middle of some major roadworks there which makes it somewhat difficult to access. I dropped by during a brief free period early on a Tuesday afternoon just to get the lay of the land. The madame running the girls was quite fortuitously amongst those in the lobby area when I arrived and managed to decipher my very limited mandarin enquiries. I told her that I was off to Dali on the night train and would be back Friday, she gave me a handwritten note in Chinese characters with mobile number and price.

I got back Friday and went over to the sauna at 6:15pm, only the counter girl and a couple of busboys were in the lobby this time, but luckily I still had the note that I'd been given and the madame soon came down to the lobby.

Typical sauna set up - change room, hot baths, showers on the ground floor. Standard foot and body massage on the 1st floor. WL rooms on the 2nd floor. I was led off to the change rooms and instructed to strip off in front of 1/2 dozen or so male attendants, (I know we're all supposed to be blase about this, but never been comfortable about getting naked with strange blokes looking on). Had a shower in the ground floor facilities which was strangely deserted. Got dressed in the sauna PJ's and taken back out to the lobby, the madame then took over leading me up to the 2nd floor via the 1st floor all of which was deserted. I was feeling a bit creeped out at this point and managed to convey my misgivings, she surprisingly enough understood what I was asking and told me that I had arrived too early, the sauna doesn't open proper till 7pm.

The 2nd floor rooms are about 4x4 metres with a massage table, queen size bed and big screen T.V. About 7 or 8 girls were brought in for me to choose from, but was somewhat disappointed, that they were all 4's and 5's, also a bit hard to tell what your getting in the low level lighting. After having used the ground floor facilities and standing there in the house PJ's it's a bit hard to back out, so I made the best of it and chose the cheerful one. The following catbath, full body massage and FS was competent and in no way unenjoyable, but nothing to shout about. She let me take a quick photo before disrobing, but was again disappointed when the clothes came off with the extra weight she was carrying, a 4 in my book. Total bill 398 rmb.

As I was sitting in the lobby putting on my shoes and socks at about 8pm. I noticed a steady influx of patrons and a few younger, more attractive women coming in and heading straight up to the upper levels. Probably just ML for the 1st floor. but could be headed for the 2nd floor.

Conclusion:
My recommendation for this place os go in after 8pm. If you like discretion then this isn't the place for you, just moving from the 1st floor showers to the upper levels requires you go back through the lobby area and the size of the bill tells the people at the desk what you've been up to, assuming they don't know already. Kunming has up till now has been something of a backwater in China and you'll definitely not find the sort of quality WL that I read about in this forum as being available in places such as Donguan, Zhuhai and Shenzhen. However if the government continues to move ahead with plans to make Kunming a hub for the SE Asia trade into China then this will change, but at the moment Kunming should not be on anyone itinerary for P4P. If you do find yourself in Kunming in need of relief then try the sauna on the 7th floor of the airport hotel or the sunshine sauna in Beijing lu.

Overall score: 6/10

I will attach a copy of the note to this report, would appreciate anyone out there who could give me the English translation.

Nice report Atomic,

I have been to this sauna and have had better experience. I did not see any photos of the girl, only the name card and the paper they gave you.

[QUOTE=Atomic Sunburn]Name: Unknown
Face: 2.5/5
Body: 2/5
Estimated age of the girl: 30+
Skill: 3/5
Service: 3/5
Detailed account of the experience:
Just got back from a 3 week visit to China, most of which was spent in Kunming. I was on a pretty short leash at first and was unable to break away till halfway into my stay, to follow up on a sauna house tip that I was given by a another occasional Kunming resident. The sauna in question is located on the North/East corner of the Qianming lu and Rixin lu intersection. They are in the middle of some major roadworks there which makes it somewhat difficult to access. I dropped by during a brief free period early on a Tuesday afternoon just to get the lay of the land. The madame running the girls was quite fortuitously amongst those in the lobby area when I arrived and managed to decipher my very limited mandarin enquiries. I told her that I was off to Dali on the night train and would be back Friday, she gave me a handwritten note in Chinese characters with mobile number and price.

I got back Friday and went over to the sauna at 6:15pm, only the counter girl and a couple of busboys were in the lobby this time, but luckily I still had the note that I'd been given and the madame soon came down to the lobby.

Typical sauna set up - change room, hot baths, showers on the ground floor. Standard foot and body massage on the 1st floor. WL rooms on the 2nd floor. I was led off to the change rooms and instructed to strip off in front of 1/2 dozen or so male attendants, (I know we're all supposed to be blase about this, but never been comfortable about getting naked with strange blokes looking on). Had a shower in the ground floor facilities which was strangely deserted. Got dressed in the sauna PJ's and taken back out to the lobby, the madame then took over leading me up to the 2nd floor via the 1st floor all of which was deserted. I was feeling a bit creeped out at this point and managed to convey my misgivings, she surprisingly enough understood what I was asking and told me that I had arrived too early, the sauna doesn't open proper till 7pm.

The 2nd floor rooms are about 4x4 metres with a massage table, queen size bed and big screen T.V. About 7 or 8 girls were brought in for me to choose from, but was somewhat disappointed, that they were all 4's and 5's, also a bit hard to tell what your getting in the low level lighting. After having used the ground floor facilities and standing there in the house PJ's it's a bit hard to back out, so I made the best of it and chose the cheerful one. The following catbath, full body massage and FS was competent and in no way unenjoyable, but nothing to shout about. She let me take a quick photo (see attached) before disrobing, but was again disappointed when the clothes came off with the extra weight she was carrying, a 4 in my book. Total bill 398 rmb.

As I was sitting in the lobby putting on my shoes and socks at about 8pm. I noticed a steady influx of patrons and a few younger, more attractive women coming in and heading straight up to the upper levels. Probably just ML for the 1st floor. but could be headed for the 2nd floor.

Conclusion:
My recommendation for this place os go in after 8pm. If you like discretion then this isn't the place for you, just moving from the 1st floor showers to the upper levels requires you go back through the lobby area and the size of the bill tells the people at the desk what you've been up to, assuming they don't know already. Kunming has up till now has been something of a backwater in China and you'll definitely not find the sort of quality WL that I read about in this forum as being available in places such as Donguan, Zhuhai and Shenzhen. However if the government continues to move ahead with plans to make Kunming a hub for the SE Asia trade into China then this will change, but at the moment Kunming should not be on anyone itinerary for P4P. If you do find yourself in Kunming in need of relief then try the sauna on the 7th floor of the airport hotel or the sunshine sauna in Beijing lu.

Overall score: 6/10

I will attach a copy of the note to this report, would appreciate anyone out there who could give me the English translation.[/QUOTE]

This is the business card and a photo showing the front entrance to the sunshine sauna in Beijinj lu, Kunming, Just up the road from the railway station. Ideal if you've come in to Kunming via rail from other parts of China. It's connected to an up market hotel if you want something flash or you can use one of the many cheaper hotels in the street and go into the sauna via the separate entrance without the need to enter the hotel lobby. If you look closely at the admittedly poor quality photo you'll see an elevator at the end of the short corridor which takes you up to the sauna proper. Unfortunately in my short stay in Kunming this time I didn't get a chance to sample the ladies on offer, it has the reputation for being the most expensive at 700rmb+ but may well be worth the cost.

[QUOTE=Atomic Sunburn] it has the reputation for being the most expensive at 700rmb+ but may well be worth the cost.[/QUOTE]

So where are the 150-200 rmb BBSes?

[QUOTE=Atomic Sunburn] I told her that I was off to Dali on the night train and would be back Friday, she gave me a handwritten note in Chinese characters with mobile number and price.[/QUOTE]

Visit any BBSes or bath houses in Dali?

Went to Sunshine Sauna about 2/3 years ago about 4:00pm in the afternoon.
Negotiated down to 400RMB. They showed me a line-up of about 5 girls. All
rated 8s and above.

VIP room had full size mirror on one wall by king size bed. Plus a large rubber ball, you see in gyms or work out rooms.

She gave me a good wash and started with BJ and then on to multiple positions. We used the large rubberball for doggystyle. The bounce back effect was excellent. She even relaxed with a cigarette afterwards. LOL

Ah, nice memory.

Ask for VIP Massage.

[QUOTE=Atomic Sunburn]This is the business card and a photo showing the front entrance to the sunshine sauna in Beijinj lu, Kunming, Just up the road from the railway station. Ideal if you've come in to Kunming via rail from other parts of China. It's connected to an up market hotel if you want something flash or you can use one of the many cheaper hotels in the street and go into the sauna via the separate entrance without the need to enter the hotel lobby. If you look closely at the admittedly poor quality photo you'll see an elevator at the end of the short corridor which takes you up to the sauna proper. Unfortunately in my short stay in Kunming this time I didn't get a chance to sample the ladies on offer, it has the reputation for being the most expensive at 700rmb+ but may well be worth the cost.[/QUOTE]

Gentlemen,

I hope to visit Dali and Lijiang in a couple months. Where can I find BBSes? Any in Old Dali or must I go to Xiaguan? I don't know Lijiang at all.

[QUOTE=Harold Bell]Gentlemen,

I hope to visit Dali and Lijiang in a couple months. Where can I find BBSes? Any in Old Dali or must I go to Xiaguan? I don't know Lijiang at all.[/QUOTE]If you stay at a high end hotel, girls find out. BBSes are less common.

In general, areas with a high concentration of migrant laborers come with BBSes. They are afterall tacitly allowed by authorities to service migrant laborers.

As for working girls, money talks everywhere in china. Old town lijiang bars are full of WGs. And you get calls from girls when you are in your room in Dali and Lijiang !

Confusing about Sunshine Sauna entrance. Read in forum is at 575 Beijing Rd. Went to 575 long long ways away train staton but is Something Mansion and shop. Confusing.

Thanks to Atomic Sunburn for photo of entrance. Found by accident. Is left of Golden Dragon shopping gallery. But this building is building site. Shopping open so maybe sauna open. Sauna sign on sidewalk. But where to go?

Entered hotel but cannot seeing way to Sunshine and happiness. Sauna is right side of hotel but in lobby going right is only to shopping gallery. 2 elevators and 2 corridors there but all staff only. Went floor 2 but only big hotel party room.

Help please!

Prefer posting success stories not requesting help. But no entrance no story!

[QUOTE=Indo Phile]Confusing about Sunshine Sauna entrance. Read in forum is at 575 Beijing Rd. Went to 575 long long ways away train staton but is Something Mansion and shop. Confusing.

Thanks to Atomic Sunburn for photo of entrance. Found by accident. Is left of Golden Dragon shopping gallery. But this building is building site. Shopping open so maybe sauna open. Sauna sign on sidewalk. But where to go?

Entered hotel but cannot seeing way to Sunshine and happiness. Sauna is right side of hotel but in lobby going right is only to shopping gallery. 2 elevators and 2 corridors there but all staff only. Went floor 2 but only big hotel party room.

Help please!

Prefer posting success stories not requesting help. But no entrance no story![/QUOTE]

It's not far from the train station, with the entrance in Beijing lu.

Is it possible for you to print out a copy of the business card I posted?

If the site is now a building site then perhaps it's been pulled down??

What time of night did you go?

Gentlemen,

I'm going to be staying on the north side of KM for a while. Any suggestions on where to go to meet my needs?

Any places to go to in the Hei Long Tan area?

Any action in Yuxi? Jing Hong? Ruili? Up here in the north, we have the annual crackdown, and not much is available. I will be moving to Kunming to live in about a month and hope I can find some p4p without too much trouble.

[QUOTE=Harold Bell]Any action in Yuxi? Jing Hong? Ruili? Up here in the north, we have the annual crackdown, and not much is available. I will be moving to Kunming to live in about a month and hope I can find some p4p without too much trouble.[/QUOTE]

Ruili and Yuxi are too far from Kunming for whoring unless your going their on business/vacation. Ruili is a China/Burma border with a S/E asia flavour and duty free shopping.

If your going to travel outside Kunming try Qu Jing they have express trains running every 1.5 hours for a 3 hour round trip. I saw BBS located both sides of 50 - 100 Bei Lu. The girls in the BBS on the even numbered side of the street appeared to be younger and more attractive, with the ladies on the odd side older, but more enthusiastic.

There is plenty available in Kunming, but not the quality you may be used to in more populous areas of China. Just read through the old Kunming postings.

I travel in the province quite frequently.

Yuxi is close to Kunming, only about an hour on the bus. There were bbs there last time I looked but I have not tried them.

Long LIng in Baoshan has an active BBS street. I have tried one. FS for 200

Dali Old Town has some BBS on the street parallel to Yangren Jie. I have not tried these.

Ruili has dozens of BBS and Massage places offering FS for 200 - 300.

I have seen street hookers in Jianshui but have not tried them.

I would like to hear from others.

[QUOTE=Atomic Sunburn]Ruili and Yuxi are too far from Kunming for whoring unless your going their on business/vacation. Ruili is a China/Burma border with a S/E asia flavour and duty free shopping.

If your going to travel outside Kunming try Qu Jing they have express trains running every 1.5 hours for a 3 hour round trip. I saw BBS located both sides of 50 - 100 Bei Lu. The girls in the BBS on the even numbered side of the street appeared to be younger and more attractive, with the ladies on the odd side older, but more enthusiastic.

There is plenty available in Kunming, but not the quality you may be used to in more populous areas of China. Just read through the old Kunming postings.[/QUOTE]

Hi Southgate,

Can't see "Yangren Jie" anywhere on maps. Do you have another street name location that's near those BBSs? Cheers.

[QUOTE=South Gate]I travel in the province quite frequently.

Yuxi is close to Kunming, only about an hour on the bus. There were bbs there last time I looked but I have not tried them.

Long LIng in Baoshan has an active BBS street. I have tried one. FS for 200

Dali Old Town has some BBS on the street parallel to Yangren Jie. I have not tried these.

Ruili has dozens of BBS and Massage places offering FS for 200 - 300.

I have seen street hookers in Jianshui but have not tried them.

I would like to hear from others.[/QUOTE]

I'll be in Kunming the end of July and would like to know if anyone has a good tip on a hotel escort service? and how do the hotels look upon escorts? any tips would be appreciated...

[QUOTE=Krum Lov]Hi Southgate,

Can't see "Yangren Jie" anywhere on maps. Do you have another street name location that's near those BBSs? Cheers.[/QUOTE]

Yang Ren Jie is officially Huguo Lou.

Most KM hotels have saunas. The more expensive the basic room rate and number of stars on the hotel, the nicer the girls. Although service is hit or miss as most lurkers should know. Good signs are the concierge/greeter/hawker. Especially if he's male. Special massage services range from ¥268 up to over ¥800. Not including the two girl special. If you don't like the lineup. Don't hesitate to ask for another lineup. Just be as polite as you can.

If you don't speak any mandarin. Use translate. Google.com and type in your lurid requirements (but be BRIEF) like large breasts, shaved, unshaved, etc etc (where is sextranslate. Google.com?). Also. Make sure you bring the printout which says SPECIAL SERVICE. I suggest you go through the scenario and type up a script. The saunas offer many types of rooms (it's really like a hotel) so you can either start luxury or start cautious. But most saunas the room rate is determined by the service cost. Also beware the upsell. They'll chat with you and try to trick you into add-ons (like extra time, extra service, etc). Don't be fooled. Include that in your script. No upsells (use simple english though). And just in case. Be prepared for a double biller just in case. But most importantly. Enjoy yourself and the experience!

If you're a company guest on a BUYING trip. And you've got the guts. Mention to your host (privately and discreetly) you'd like to visit a sauna. They'll usually treat you and be relieved you're somewhat familiar with local sales processes. But only do this if you're seriously prepared to buy.

Also. If you're extraordinarily well equipped. Bring your own condoms as the local varieties may be a little snug. And as always. BE POLITE. Sugar gets more honey than a donkey hole with a credit card. Most of the girls you'll meet are from the minorities. So chat with them. If you can. Treat them like human beings. Include this in your script so the owner knows not to send in girls whom you'll split into pieces.

Ralph. You don't need to order out. Depending on the hotel you're in. Just visit the hotel sauna, select the most expensive massage or second most expensive for full service (and it should be a blast. Hope you enjoy getting your ass rimmed). Check the price list on the wall to make sure you get the local advertised price. Tipping is un-necessary at saunas because for starters. Your pants are the locker!

Thanks for the info Seaforte,

Sounds cheap, how clean are these girls? I like to dine at the Y and enjoy a BBBJ from time to time.. is this tabu in China?


[QUOTE=Seaforte]Ralph. You don't need to order out. Depending on the hotel you're in. Just visit the hotel sauna, select the most expensive massage or second most expensive for full service (and it should be a blast. Hope you enjoy getting your ass rimmed). Check the price list on the wall to make sure you get the local advertised price. Tipping is un-necessary at saunas because for starters. Your pants are the locker![/QUOTE]

Ralph T,

Girls are usually clean. In the saunas you shower/bathe first so you're squeaky clean. Once in the room the girls will usually use an alcohol cloth or spray to clean you off and do a BBBJ then on to covered sex in multiple positions. It's all about getting you off in a fun and entertaining way. As for DATY. It depends on the girl. Most tend to avoid it for fear of stds.

Enjoy! And above all. Have fun!

[QUOTE=Ralph T]Thanks for the info Seaforte,

Sounds cheap, how clean are these girls? I like to dine at the Y and enjoy a BBBJ from time to time.. is this tabu in China?[/QUOTE]

There are new saunas opening south of south 2 ring. I have reported on two, one at the Kunming airport and one at the corner of Ri Xin Lu and Qian Xing Lu. However, I know of three others offering full service and I am sure there are more. One which is very good is located on Ri Xin Lu about 1 km west of the airport road (Chun CHeng Lu) accross the street from the large Islamic restaurant called Alladin. It is on the fifth floor of the Guang Da hotel. Just go in the hotel and take elevator to fourh floor. Walk up the stairs and ask for massage. I had excellent service there about two weeks ago from a busty local lady. Price is 400 RMB. I invite adventurers to search for other venues and report. I have seen several 浴and 桑拿labeled establishments in this area between Dianchi Lu and the free way that goes to Yu Xi. I am sure most of these offer full service. I particularly suggest looking in the Guo Mao area just east of Chun Cheng Lu. That area has an expo center frequented by business people, many of whom practic our hobby. Get a map and you will see where I mean.

[QUOTE=Seaforte]Most KM hotels have saunas. The more expensive the basic room rate and number of stars on the hotel, the nicer the girls. Although service is hit or miss as most lurkers should know. Good signs are the concierge/greeter/hawker. Especially if he's male. Special massage services range from ¥268 up to over ¥800. Not including the two girl special. If you don't like the lineup. Don't hesitate to ask for another lineup. Just be as polite as you can.

If you don't speak any mandarin. Use translate. Google.com and type in your lurid requirements (but be BRIEF) like large breasts, shaved, unshaved, etc etc (where is sextranslate. Google.com?). Also. Make sure you bring the printout which says SPECIAL SERVICE. I suggest you go through the scenario and type up a script. The saunas offer many types of rooms (it's really like a hotel) so you can either start luxury or start cautious. But most saunas the room rate is determined by the service cost. Also beware the upsell. They'll chat with you and try to trick you into add-ons (like extra time, extra service, etc). Don't be fooled. Include that in your script. No upsells (use simple english though). And just in case. Be prepared for a double biller just in case. But most importantly. Enjoy yourself and the experience!

If you're a company guest on a BUYING trip. And you've got the guts. Mention to your host (privately and discreetly) you'd like to visit a sauna. They'll usually treat you and be relieved you're somewhat familiar with local sales processes. But only do this if you're seriously prepared to buy.

Also. If you're extraordinarily well equipped. Bring your own condoms as the local varieties may be a little snug. And as always. BE POLITE. Sugar gets more honey than a donkey hole with a credit card. Most of the girls you'll meet are from the minorities. So chat with them. If you can. Treat them like human beings. Include this in your script so the owner knows not to send in girls whom you'll split into pieces.[/QUOTE]

Lived up north for 4 years and had a regular girl at a nearby bath house for my last 2+ years. She was not a 10 but treated me nicely and gave excellent service since my first visit. She spoke very little E and I hardly speak Mandarin, but we managed and whenever I wanted to see her - perhaps once or twice a month - I sent her a message to her cell phone and when I arrived at the sauna, they knew I was coming and took me up to her room.

80 minutes were 180 RMB and it was certainly worth the expense. I brought her little gifts ever now and then, once a small electronic dictionary which helped us communicate ;-)

I'd be looking for a similar set-up in Kunming as this will be my new home for some time. I will be located near the Greenlake Park.

If any of you have some contacts and could perhaps point me the right direction, I'd be grateful.

Also would love to find one who does housecalls for a reasonable price.

Thanks 4 any ideas so Kunming doesn't become too boring ;-)
Cheers H007

Housecalls are perhaps not a bad idea in Kunming!
fz

[QUOTE=Fuzimiao]Housecalls are perhaps not a bad idea in Kunming!
fz[/QUOTE]

So the nation-wide crackdown has reached even Kunming, huh? My Changchun pal's pal in the police said it would last till the end of October, there.

Where did you find these and how can we read the story? It looks like a KTV.

[QUOTE=Fuzimiao]Housecalls are perhaps not a bad idea in Kunming!
fz[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=South Gate]Where did you find these and how can we read the story? It looks like a KTV.[/QUOTE]

The photos have a website address attached, have a look.

My sources say the crackdown is nationwide, keep your head down.

[QUOTE=South Gate]Where did you find these and how can we read the story? It looks like a KTV.[/QUOTE]

Story came up on a QQ popup, I'll try to backtrack it on my IE.

There was very little text, evidently more than a hundred riot police were deployed, with over a hundred arrests.

fz

[QUOTE=Fuzimiao]Story came up on a QQ popup, I'll try to bactrack it on my IE.

There was very little text, evidently more than a hundred riot police were deployed, with over a hundred arrests.

fz[/QUOTE]

Gottit!

[url]http://news.qq.com/a/20100710/000626.htm#p=16[/url]

click on link to a similar raid in Nanning!

fz

Thanks for alerting us to this. On examining the photos, I think this is a central KM sauna but one that is bigger than any I have visited. Sunshine on Beijing Lu has only about 15 girls during peak hours. This one had many more when they made the raid. I dont recognize the blue uniforms the girls are wearing.

The text talks about ten "resorts" being raided.

Does anyone else know this place or any place that has been raide recently in KM?
[QUOTE=Fuzimiao]Gottit!

[url]http://news.qq.com/a/20100710/000626.htm#p=16[/url]

click on link to a similar raid in Nanning!

fz[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=South Gate]Thanks for alerting us to this. On examining the photos, I think this is a central KM sauna but one that is bigger than any I have visited. Sunshine on Beijing Lu has only about 15 girls during peak hours. This one had many more when they made the raid. I dont recognize the blue uniforms the girls are wearing.

The text talks about ten "resorts" being raided. [/QUOTE]

This seems to be nationwide, I searched on "扫黄" and came across thousands of similar images, some very brutal!

fz

Thanks for all of this detective work and for sharing. This is the largest nationwide crackdown that I have heard of yet. The motivation of the cracker downers is, as usual, to impress the rest of the world that the government has control of morality after all. However, the centuries old tradition of polyamorous sex in this country will be victor in the end. Dont you worry, in six months, there will be more saunas than before.

Fuzi, do you or does anyone else out there know what is up here? Anyone with inside info as to why this is happening just now. Expo started a while ago and there are no party conferences scheduled very soon so what is up?


I am also curious to know what places in KM and in other cities were hit. I am guessing some may be very large "secret" brothels and not the standard saunas and KTVs. I gather that from some of the photos that Fuzi has posted here and on the photo gallery. In one photo, there are over one hundred police outside of an establishment as if they were ready to invade Japan. IN others as many as 30 girls are seen sitting on the floor covering their faces. That is not he shi for a relatively small sauna with only 5 to 10 girls on call at one time (as most places have). I may cruise around KM when I get back and see if any place I know have closed. Does anyone else out there know??

Before we get worked up, we should know what is going on. All I know is that someone likes to take photos of girls hiding their faces and police bullies pushing them around and that Fuzi likes to post these photos. This plays into the morality police's hands but doesnt help us know what is up. So what is up?

[QUOTE=Fuzimiao]This seems to be nationwide, I searched on "扫黄" and came across thousands of similar images, some very brutal!

fz[/QUOTE]

Hi, I will be staying at the Grand Park Kunming in a couple of weeks, I'm wondering if they offer a good sauna service in the hotel or if not if there is a good place near by... any advice would be greatly appreciated..

Anyone know the situation in, eg, Yuxi or Qujing? If I stay at a small hotel in Dali or Lijiang or Jing Hong, will I get the usual offers?

[QUOTE=Ralph T]Hi, I will be staying at the Grand Park Kunming in a couple of weeks, I'm wondering if they offer a good sauna service in the hotel or if not if there is a good place near by. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]Ralph T,

You're staying in the upscale rich part of KM. By the Green Lake. Lot's of bodacious eye candy. But not too many WGs. Also KM is in mongering crackdown until October-ish. These usually coincide with big government meetings like the annual working group meetings where they prepare lots of reports for their annual meets in Beijing.

Unless the other forum members can provide input. You're in for a shagless visit. So suggest you visit the local clubs and discos and just enjoy yourself normally. You might get lucky.

Yesterday I checked out a previous haunt (sauna) in souther part of city near Dian CHi Lu. It is open for business as usual. If you want details PM me.
[QUOTE=Seaforte]Ralph T,

You're staying in the upscale rich part of KM. By the Green Lake. Lot's of bodacious eye candy. But not too many WGs. Also KM is in mongering crackdown until October-ish. These usually coincide with big government meetings like the annual working group meetings where they prepare lots of reports for their annual meets in Beijing.

Unless the other forum members can provide input. You're in for a shagless visit. So suggest you visit the local clubs and discos and just enjoy yourself normally. You might get lucky.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=South Gate]Yesterday I checked out a previous haunt (sauna) in souther part of city near Dian CHi Lu. It is open for business as usual. If you want details PM me.[/QUOTE]What do you guys know about Xishuangbanna / Jinghong, which is about 45 minutes from Kunming.

I was told that it not so safe to visit for a laowai, to be cautious, etc. This is from a local in Shenzhen telling me this.

I do not know the context of your question. I just spent about 9 weeks in Ban Na. I was not in Jing Hong but in Menghai.

I saw no sign anywhere of p4p. I was working long hours every day and had no time anyway.

Regarding general safety, Ban Na like all the border prefectures has a rep for drug violence. I had no personal experiences but I have heard from others that gang wars occur and police who try to crack down on the drug runners lose their heads. I dont think it is more dangerous for us Lao Wai than for Chinese though.
[QUOTE=Mike85]What do you guys know about Xishuangbanna / Jinghong, which is about 45 minutes from Kunming.

I was told that it not so safe to visit for a laowai, to be cautious, etc. This is from a local in Shenzhen telling me this.[/QUOTE]

I do not know the context of your question. I just spent about 9 weeks in Ban Na. I was not in Jing Hong but in Menghai.

I saw no sign anywhere of p4p. I was working long hours every day and had no time anyway.

Regarding general safety, Ban Na like all the border prefectures has a rep for drug violence. I had no personal experiences but I have heard from others that gang wars occur and police who try to crack down on the drug runners lose their heads. I dont think it is more dangerous for us Lao Wai than for Chinese though.
[QUOTE=Mike85]What do you guys know about Xishuangbanna / Jinghong, which is about 45 minutes from Kunming.

I was told that it not so safe to visit for a laowai, to be cautious, etc. This is from a local in Shenzhen telling me this.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=South Gate]I do not know the context of your question. I just spent about 9 weeks in Ban Na. I was not in Jing Hong but in Menghai.

I saw no sign anywhere of p4p. I was working long hours every day and had no time anyway.

Regarding general safety, Ban Na like all the border prefectures has a rep for drug violence. I had no personal experiences but I have heard from others that gang wars occur and police who try to crack down on the drug runners lose their heads. I don't think it is more dangerous for us Lao Wai than for Chinese though.[/QUOTE]The context is that it is part of the golden triangle for opium, and to watch out for issues related to that. The suggestion was that this type of atmosphere prevails.

[QUOTE=Mike85]What do you guys know about Xishuangbanna / Jinghong, which is about 45 minutes from Kunming.

I was told that it not so safe to visit for a laowai, to be cautious, etc. This is from a local in Shenzhen telling me this.[/QUOTE]

It should be added that this means a 45 mins flight plus whatever time it takes for getting to and from the airport, check-in, etc. If done by bus it used to be some 8-10 hours.

Xishuangbanna is the Thailand of China but not really comparable with Thailand. Jinghong is a nice little city which partly caters to foreign tourists. 2 years ago there was a red light district (it might still be there) but as often in China their clientèle were locals and perhaps Chinese tourists. I did not attract any attention and also didn't feel like venturing in there. If you speak Chinese it is probably easier.

For locals telling you that this and that is not safe, I would like to say that Chinese are over-cautious if not paranoid about safety or the lack of it. I would not worry too much unless you get drunk and/or into a fight. It is more likely that you will get cheated price-wise and service might be not up to your expectation.

But I would not go to Jinghong for sex. Too far, too dodgy and just not worth it.

About 2 weeks ago, it was reported that there had been p4p crackdowns in KM and other cities. Photos were posted of girls being arrested, covering their faces in shame and being dragged out of saunas by their hair. Guys in their duan ku and sitting cross legged on sauna beds were hanging their heads in remorse. Clearly these were publicized by the controlled Chinese press to frighten business owner, sex workers and customers.

I spent part of the last few days cruising around KM and dropping in on establishments that I have used.

1. One sauna which offers FS is open for business and when I walked in I was escorted immediately to a room with a huge "fucking ball" and a red rope for upside down blow jobs. I stayed to view the lineup but then apologized that I was busy and left.
2. A second sauna had obviously been affected by the crackdowns. In stead of the usual offer of a room with a scantily clad female, I was escorted to the "rest hall" to watch TV and get a foot massage with about 10 other male customers who were also led there to the rest hall for foot massage. At the front desk, there was a police sign that said something about the place being under observation for illegal activities involving prostitution. However, after the foot massage, I noticed that most of the other guys had left and I was asked if I wanted any other services. I said no but probably should have said yes to see what they offered. I left.
3. The massage parlors on Xi Yuan LU are still open and I was almost dragged into the secret back fucking room but declined.
4. THe mamasans at the train station still offer short time for 100 yuan.
5. THe coffee shop(see forum posts) still offers back room massaggee and I ordered a takeout to my home whom I fucked for two hours for 300 yuan.

So p4p is still alive and healthy in KM.

If you are interested in a quick 100 rmb fuck in old dali, walk east (down hill) on foreigners street, left (north) on Fuxing Lu, right at the next corner. Down about 500 meters on the left there is a massage place where the girls will tell you: "Massage is not my expertise" They are quite busy probably because of the low price. Use condom please. Dali has a lot of HIV.

The massage places near the entrance of old town all offer fs. Expect to negotiate and mediocre quality. Overall I think it's better to save ur cash for a larger city. That being said, if you like the exotic minorities.

Care to give a couple addresses? For example, is #4 at the north train station or southern?

Any ideas about Cheng Gong University City area? I'm assuming male students need harlots as much as before.

[QUOTE=South Gate]
I spent part of the last few days cruising around KM and dropping in on establishments that I have used.

1. One sauna which offers FS is open for business and when I walked in I was escorted immediately to a room with a huge "fucking ball" and a red rope for upside down blow jobs. I stayed to view the lineup but then apologized that I was busy and left.
2. A second sauna had obviously been affected by the crackdowns. In stead of the usual offer of a room with a scantily clad female, I was escorted to the "rest hall" to watch TV and get a foot massage with about 10 other male customers who were also led there to the rest hall for foot massage. At the front desk, there was a police sign that said something about the place being under observation for illegal activities involving prostitution. However, after the foot massage, I noticed that most of the other guys had left and I was asked if I wanted any other services. I said no but probably should have said yes to see what they offered. I left.
3. The massage parlors on Xi Yuan LU are still open and I was almost dragged into the secret back fucking room but declined.
4. THe mamasans at the train station still offer short time for 100 yuan.
5. THe coffee shop(see forum posts) still offers back room massaggee and I ordered a takeout to my home whom I fucked for two hours for 300 yuan.

So p4p is still alive and healthy in KM.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Harold Bell]Care to give a couple addresses? For example, is #4 at the north train station or southern?

Any ideas about Cheng Gong University City area? I'm assuming male students need harlots as much as before.[/QUOTE]

Hi Harold,

How about doing a little leg work, check both stations and tell us what you find.

Students usually don't have a lot of money to spend and are more interested in the freebie scene.

The places I go to are all south of the south second ring, between the airport and Dian Chi Lu. For example the hotel across the street from Yi Tian Yuan restaurant on Ri Xin Lu is one. The sauna and floor 5 is still open. The place on the corner of Ri Xin Lu and Qian Xing Lu is also still open (see prior post for addres). The place on Guang Fu Lu (lan Ping hotel) near Dianchi Lu is open but that is where they were nervous and I only got a foot massage.

The coffee shop on Yong An Lu has been well described STFF.

Bobby

Lu[QUOTE=Harold Bell]Care to give a couple addresses? For example, is #4 at the north train station or southern?

Any ideas about Cheng Gong University City area? I'm assuming male students need harlots as much as before.[/QUOTE]

I have recently heard and also read it on a couple of websites about thieves on long-distance sleeper buses to and from Kunming. Apparently, it has been happening while the passenger(s) is sleep and the thieves cut into bags, carry-on, or belt-bag to take the cash. I personally know of one foreigner who became a victim when he was sleep had his Chinese money taken but not his foreign currency or his passport. He woke up and by the time he realized what had happened the thieves got off the bus in the middle of nowhere. I am not sure to what extent this is happening but have not read or seen any such news for other parts of China.

If possible avoid sleeper buses for now or be extra vigilant when taking one. Knowing that, what would be a good way to go to Mangshi or Ruili on bus from Kunming. I know there used to be one daily service leaving Kunming in mid afternoon arriving in Ruili about 13 hours later. But then again, that would be a sleeper bus perhaps; there could be a stopover in Jianshui, would that be possible? Does anyone know which long-distance bus station in Kunming would service Ruili (or Mangshi)? The ticket price of the Yunnan regional flights from the Kunming Airport were raised significantly a few months ago. I believe now it is 1,000 Yuan for one-way plane ticket to Mangshi. My own research says things could be much more affordable in Ruili.

AS, any recommendation for where to stay in Qu Jing? The long-distance bust station for Qu Jing would be the North Bus Station ( Longtou Lu) and the local bus # 182 would get you there at the last stop. Qu Jing is the second largest city (population) in Yunnan after Kunming so; just one street of shops even on both sides may not be enough to feed the whole city. There could be other local locations and/or alternatives there to be explored.

One other thing, you should never pay any extra fee for your luggage when taking a long distance bus and that is for carry on or checked in. If anyone approached you and demanded money for your checked-in luggage it would be a fraud and you could turn in the person to the authorities. I am not a club or sauna goer so I cannot comment on that but I know four hundred is too much in Kunming, is that for just one shot! I know the more you work on it the better it gets. I discovered that the city of Si Mao is now called Pu’er. Yuxi is good, Mengzi is hit and miss and there have been raids, and if you stumbled in Yuanyang on your way you could ask for it. Jinghong is known for having Chinese ethnic minorities in different shops if that is not your style then it is not a destination.

Decided to adventurous and during the crack down and visited an oldie but goodie, Jinlong Sunshine sauna.

First, the lowdown: This place is getting a little rundown, but it does have all the standard facilities. You go in, tell them you want a sauna and they'll lead you to the lockers. After disrobing, off to the showers and then a nice soak in the sauna. I arrived at 7:00pm just when they were doing their shift change so the attendants weren't all that attentative. Relaxed in the lounge for a few minutes before the manager came over to ask if I want a massage. Here is the key for first-time visitors, tell the manager that your friend recommended this place and the price is 400RMB. The manager will lead you out of the lounge and to the hall. Where there is a secret door hidden in the mirrors. Once in the room, you are given a lineup, pick your girl, do your thing and leave. Go to the lobby when you are ready, get your shoes and pay.

The service: The girls in my opinion were all well above 7s, I would almost say 8s. Standard routine but my girl was eager to please which made for an enjoyable experience, afterwards she hosed me down and then had a chat before getting up to leave. Very friendly girl.

Location: Beijing road north of the Kunming station on your right hand side if you are coming from the station. The sauna is part of the Jinlong hotel but there is a separate elevator entrance right before you get to the intersection. I would recommend you take this entrance for the convenience and privacy. The hotel entrance is far too complicated.

Other reviews:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=1015023&postcount=305[/url]
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=1012092&postcount=302[/url]

Final Tally:
Quality of the sauna: 5
Quality of the girls: 7-8
Service: 7 YMMV
Cost: 400RMB

Any evidence the nation-wide crackdown is easing up? From the bus, several closed massage parlors on Xiao Kang appear to be re-opening.

Any evidence the nation-wide crackdown is easing up? From the bus, several closed massage parlors on Xiao Kang appear to be re-opening.

[QUOTE=Harold Bell]Any evidence the nation-wide crackdown is easing up? From the bus, several closed massage parlors on Xiao Kang appear to be re-opening.[/QUOTE]

Which bus number if I may ask?

As far as I can see, saunas are back to normal. I frequent saunas south of the second ring. I enjoy the sauna experience even without the sex so I have continued to go to soak in the tubs, get massaged, eat dinner, exercise on the treadmill and occasionally get laid in a full service private room.

Two months ago after the summer crackdown signs appeared in all saunas, both those that provide "special service" and those that do not. The signs state that it is illegal to take drugs"xi du", sell sex "mai yin" or monger "piao chang". However, all the places with the signs that used to "mai yin" still "mai yin". One place on Cheng Fu Lu near Dianchi Lu on the third floor of a hotel has loads of young girls coming to work there to "mai yin" at about 6 PM in the evening. Another on the corner of Ri Xin Lu and Qian Xing Lu which I have reported on before provided a 19 year old sweetie to me two days ago. So I am happily "piao changing" again without any concerns.

Regarding the BBS scene, the places I knew before near the train station are still doing a thriving business. The price is still low (100 yuan) and the mama sans are still aggressive, don't seem to have any inhibitions at all. The coffee shop on Yong Kang Lu still sells blow jobs after a cup of Java for 150 and take out for 300.

Only one change. The Airport Hotel 7th floor sauna may be closed which is a shame since it was so convenient. I think this may have nothing to do with crackdowns at all.

If you have questions about specific places, please PM me.
[QUOTE=House007]Which bus number if I may ask?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=South Gate]As far as I can see, saunas are back to normal. I frequent saunas south of the second ring. I enjoy the sauna experience even without the sex so I have continued to go to soak in the tubs, get massaged, eat dinner, exercise on the treadmill and occasionally get laid in a full service private room.[/QUOTE]I'm real glad to hear that. Thanks for the report. I'm also a sauna fan and am heading back to Kunming towards the end of next month. I frequent a couple saunas closer in, and will post updates on those in January. They went 暂停营业 in August. (Suspended operations.)

[QUOTE=House007]Which bus number if I may ask?[/QUOTE]

#128 or #136

[QUOTE=House007]Which bus number if I may ask?[/QUOTE]

#128 or #136, out of the bei shi qu bus station. If you take #67, there are a couple suspicious looking places in the Bei Chun Lu area. However, the presence of the Police Officers Gym and Recreation Center makes me uneasy.

Thanks SG and HB for yr updates. A BJ at that coffeeshop sounds good - is it covered or BB with CIM ;-)
That takeout price is for how long? Any recommendable hotels in the vecinity or would the gals know - can't bring them where I live unfortunately.

I think back in May I saw a mamasan near the train station which looked quite hot herself. So, what kind of service can be expected from the gals these mamasans take you to? As I speak no Chinese other than a few odd words, I would assume that they want to get it over with asap and get the cash.

Haven't ventured into the local scene yet - partly cuz I hate all that shouting and staring when going to a sauna, but am also getting to the point where I would like either a good BJ or a decent FS.

Cheers
CM

Anyone know of any good hotels where providers can be taken back to rooms, glare free? (as in it will seem like normal practice to onlookers)

Am I correct in that the more expensive the hotel is the better girls there are?

I'm coming down to Kunming soon and wouldn't mind meeting up with likeminded people for a crazy whirlwind time.

Last time I was in kunming, asked a cab to take me to a sauna (sangba) and got treated to a really nice hotel that had a sauna service. For only 400 got the time of my life with a mid 20s girl who had the biggest rack I've ever seen on a girl.

Are prices still the same now when I encountered them then? I've rtff BTW.

[QUOTE=House007]Thanks SG and HB for yr updates. A BJ at that coffeeshop sounds good - is it covered or BB with CIM ;-)
That takeout price is for how long? Any recommendable hotels in the vecinity or would the gals know - can't bring them where I live unfortunately.

I think back in May I saw a mamasan near the train station which looked quite hot herself. So, what kind of service can be expected from the gals these mamasans take you to? As I speak no Chinese other than a few odd words, I would assume that they want to get it over with asap and get the cash.

Haven't ventured into the local scene yet - partly cuz I hate all that shouting and staring when going to a sauna, but am also getting to the point where I would like either a good BJ or a decent FS.

Cheers
CM[/QUOTE]

The train station mamasans, on the east end aren't worth the trouble and effort. They hustle you and upsell you and the girl I got stuck with wasn't worth the 400 I wound up being hustled for. On the other hand, a hot mamasan on the west end set me up with one, at night, who I walked to some short time hotel and then she changed her mind. She called the mamasan and we walked back to her and, believe it or not, she gave me the 200 back. I would stick with the aforementioned sauna with the photo, the Jinlong, where I FS the most beautiful girl I ever saw, like a model, but cbj Two days later had one not so beautiful but with bbbj. Great place. Then there's the Enjoying Hotel Health Club not too far. Good deal. FS, CBJ and GFE. I was only in town for 4 days and had no English map so that is all I know. I haven't a clue where all those other places are, but wish I had.

I have always stayed at Kai Wa hotel and had very good luck in the hotel bar as well as the house sauna. 'bare

[QUOTE=KingSouther] Am I correct in that the more expensive the hotel is the better girls there are?[/QUOTE]The girls will be more expensive there, but not necessarily better.

Thanks for the info.

Kai wa is a bit too expensive at 500 kuai a nite, so I'm thinking I might go for the cameilla place. Heard stories on other sites that they double up as both a hotel and a HO-tel, as long as you book a room you can take out. I plan to stay here at least one nite.

Wish me luck brother lurkers. I shall update with a story as soon as I can.

Quote: Kai wa is a bit too expensive at 500 kuai a nite, so I'm thinking I might go for the cameilla place. Quote.

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Cha Hua Bingguan is a small hotel with a backpacker hostel in another wing. They have a crummy and overpriced massage facility on site. I have not tried for takeout there.

This place gets lots of first-time visitors to China and, not surprisingly, exploits their ignorance to the max. Here is their website:

[url]http://www.kmcamelliahotel.com/English/home.htm[/url]

Is that:

1. Hotel bars may take time and are hit and miss since not all of them have WG.

2. Mama sans near station have not let me down but I am somewhat China savvy and have only used their services twice. Once a mms took me to a fifth floor walk up that was clean and I had a nice time for about 20 minutes with a local girl for 150 yuan. The second time, a MMS took me to a place that was very dirty and I insisted that she take me to a cleaner place which she did. That girl was also good and I paid 200. However, cheap as it may be, it is a bit rushed and also a bit scary. If you are in KM for a long time and take the trouble to get to know some mamasans (take phone number, get them to trust you for outcalls, etc) , this is probably a good inexpensive way to get regular pussy. However, I don't recommend for the just arrived traveler.

3. Camelia hotel massage place is legit last time I tried.

4. Best bet is the coffee shop mentioned in other places. They have in service and take out and are reasonable. Last time I used their services, I had Xiao Xu come to my apartment. She stayed three hours for 300 yuan and her boss got pissed and won't let me see her again.

5. Saunas like Sunshine are also reliable, a bit more expensive but usually good service.

Bobby.

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[QUOTE=Able Baker; 1108316]Quote: Kai wa is a bit too expensive at 500 kuai a nite, so I'm thinking I might go for the cameilla place. Quote.

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Cha Hua Bingguan is a small hotel with a backpacker hostel in another wing. They have a crummy and overpriced massage facility on site. I have not tried for takeout there.

This place gets lots of first-time visitors to China and, not surprisingly, exploits their ignorance to the max. Here is their website:

[url]http://www.kmcamelliahotel.com/English/home.htm[/url]

[/QUOTE]

Gentlemen,

I was in Jing Hong recently, at a cheap hotel on Manting Lu. Lots of chickens available, via the concierge, although not all of the highest quality. The red light district formerly found at the intersection of Manting and Manzheng (south of the wat) is gone, although the other restaurants are still there. It's still a good place for shaokao. I saw a couple of enclosed "massage" places where I suspect one could get FS, but didn't try them.

Other people tell me that most of the hookers have moved to Mengla, to service road construction workers, but I didn't go look.

Anyone with any recent experiences in Yuxi or Anning? Or any neighboring towns?

Thought I'd share some saunas in western Kunming.

1. Dynasty Hotel sauna on Ke Yi Road (&31185; &21307; &36335; &65289;

There's a sauna on (I think) the 4th or 5th floor of the hotel. This place holds itself out as a legit sauna but they do provide FS. You have to ask one of the male managers dressed in a suit (don't bother asking any of the other staff, they'll just say no).

Best thing to do is to get one of these guys cell no's. (I keep forgetting to) They're a bit nervous because they may have been raided before.

Price is a lot higher than other saunas, RMB 580 for one shot during a 1. 5hr service time. However, the quality of service is pretty good. Inside the room, they have a wet massage area where you lie down and the girl washes you from head to toe. Then she gives you a titty rub of your back and rubs her pussy up and down your calves.

They also put on crotchless pantyhose (if you so desire) for a different flavour.

Other aspects of service are standard: fire and ice BBJ, AR, FS.

In terms of hotness of the girls, I'd rate them a 7-8. They don't seem to have many girls working though, maybe 4-5. My pick is no. 77, a tall, busty girl from Harbin. Very friendly and fun.

2. Sauna on the intersection of Xi Yuan Road (&35199; &22253; &36335. And Dan Xia Road (&20025; &38686; &36335.

This place is on the 4th floor of an office building right on the intersection. It's a lot cheaper (RMB 330 for one shot in 1. 5 hrs) but the rooms are not nearly as nice as Dynasty hotel.

The sauna is quite old and run down. Rooms are basic with just a mattress on the floor. However, it's clean enough.

They have more girls on offer (7-8) and these girls seem younger and prettier. Service is less sophisticated too, standard BJ (CBJ or BBBJ) depending on the girl and FS.

My pick is no. 22. She is a real nympho and a good business woman. I've seen her twice and she always gives me 2 shots when company policy is to do 1.

3. Feng Jing Xian Sauna (&39118; &26223; &32447; &28201; &27849.

This place is a legit sauna where you can soak yourself in the spa, eat lunch and dinner, use their net cafe, gym.

However, depending on the girl you get for you massage, she may offer you a HJ. I've only been once and got no. 88. She offered a HJ towards the end without me having to ask. However, it's pricey because they treat the HJ as another hour of massage (which comes to RMB 188). A possible solution may be if you bring your wallet into the room with you and give them a tip.

The stretch of Xi Yuan Road between Dan Xia and Ren Min Xi Roads have SW's after 10pm.

Tried it once but most, if not all, the SW's are aged 40+. You pay RMB 100 for a "quick meal" meaning one shot vaginal sex WITHOUT BJ.

After you pay the mamasan, the girl takes you to a dingy room out back. They don't turn on the lights for fear of being found out.

Very rushed service. The girl didn't even take her top off.

Think better punting can be had in the saunas.

With not much to do during New Years, went to check out the sauna on Dian Chi Road as previously reported.

The owner, name and location of this sauna has changed. It's now called Qian Xi Hui Huang (&21315; &31143; &36745; &29004. And located at 1047 Dian Chi Road. This place has only been opened for about 1 month.

If any of you guys have been to Gan Lan Shu (&27204; &27012; &26641. Sauna near the East Bus Station, in my humble opinion, Qian Xi trumps it by far in terms of facilities and food. However, Gan Lan still trumps Qian Xi in terms of the hottness of the all the female staff who work there (whether it be customer service, foot massage, body massage).

Gan Lan doesn't offer FS whereas Qian Xi does. I'm guessing that like it's sister sauna, Feng Jing Xian, depending on the maseusse you get, they may offer you a HJ.

Being CNY, there were only 3 FS girls working and 2 of them were busy, so I went with the only available girl.

I think her number was 151, a tall, chubby girl from Chong Qing (although given her build, she may very well come from up north).

The session was mechanical and not that enjoyable with her. When I offered to massage her, she looked at me funny and after a minute of massaging her, she asked me to stop. Don't think there was anything wrong with my technique, never had a complaint before.

Then I pulled her to the edge of the bed to DATY but she completely refused.

The rest of the session was very stock standard: CBJ (but no fire and ice) , AR and vaginal sex.

The room was pretty spartan too, with just a bed, air con and TV. There were nicer rooms but maybe these ones are further away and therefore more private (?).

Hope others have better luck after CNY.

YOur reports are very much appreciated. Sorry I could not help you more. I am not in Kunming. If you get a chance, try the sauna near Ri Xin Lu in the the Guan hotel (4th floor) across the street from the Yi Tian Yuan Islamic restaurant.

[QUOTE=Haomaru; 1120990]With not much to do during New Years, went to check out the sauna on Dian Chi Road as previously reported.

The owner, name and location of this sauna has changed. It's now called Qian Xi Hui Huang (&21315; &31143; &36745; &29004. And located at 1047 Dian Chi Road. This place has only been opened for about 1 month.

If any of you guys have been to Gan Lan Shu (&27204; &27012; &26641. Sauna near the East Bus Station, in my humble opinion, Qian Xi trumps it by far in terms of facilities and food. However, Gan Lan still trumps Qian Xi in terms of the hottness of the all the female staff who work there (whether it be customer service, foot massage, body massage).

Gan Lan doesn't offer FS whereas Qian Xi does. I'm guessing that like it's sister sauna, Feng Jing Xian, depending on the maseusse you get, they may offer you a HJ.

Being CNY, there were only 3 FS girls working and 2 of them were busy, so I went with the only available girl.

I think her number was 151, a tall, chubby girl from Chong Qing (although given her build, she may very well come from up north).

The session was mechanical and not that enjoyable with her. When I offered to massage her, she looked at me funny and after a minute of massaging her, she asked me to stop. Don't think there was anything wrong with my technique, never had a complaint before.

Then I pulled her to the edge of the bed to DATY but she completely refused.

The rest of the session was very stock standard: CBJ (but no fire and ice) , AR and vaginal sex.

The room was pretty spartan too, with just a bed, air con and TV. There were nicer rooms but maybe these ones are further away and therefore more private (?).

Hope others have better luck after CNY. [/QUOTE]

Has anybody had any experience getting girls to Spring City golf resort from Kunming? In the past, we always tried to get girls at the resort, but we have always been disappointing.

Hi guys,

Followed the instructions to walk across the hallway of the hotel building and climbed 2 flights of stairs to reach the second floor. Only to be met by steel bar doors with no sign of a door bell to ring.

I'm assuming that I've reached the right place but missing that final something to get in. Would the mongers who have been to Xin Nanjiang help me out?

As a side note, I went to the sauna at the back left hand side of the lot and took the elevator to the 5th floor to main reception. I thought I had gone to heaven. The quality of the receptionist and female managers were amazing, easily 8-9's. I got a bit cheeky and asked the manager who took care of me whether she did massage but to no avail.

They don't offer FS yet. All they do is RnT but the girl didn't take her clothes off. Never mind because I got on great with my girl and she gave me a long, slow HJ. One of the best I've had. Think she was no. 101. Damage was a bit over RMB300 for an hour and a half.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Haomaru; 1154364]Hi guys,

Followed the instructions to walk across the hallway of the hotel building and climbed 2 flights of stairs to reach the second floor. Only to be met by steel bar doors with no sign of a door bell to ring.

I'm assuming that I've reached the right place but missing that final something to get in. Would the mongers who have been to Xin Nanjiang help me out? [/QUOTE]I'd haven't been there in a while but last time I passed by they were doing major renovations to the whole building and weren't doing business yet, not even the hotel. If the hotel is recently back in business then it might be possible that the sauna isn't back up yet.

Recently I stumbled across the sauna at Tian Heng the Hotel (on the Nan Ping Jie end of Qing Nian Road) and tried out their FS.

Prices aren't cheap downtown. They offer 2 levels of girls: RMB 880 and RMB 1000. I was told by the manager that the content of their service is the same, it's just that the RMB 1000 girls are taller, model types. So I went with the RMB 880 option.

In comes 3 girls all dressed in the faux air hostess uniform that is so ubiquitous in KM saunas. 2 of the girls were 8's and the 3rd I'd rate a 6. Chose the girl no. 22, a 24 year old from Sichuan. She was the only one that had her shirt unbuttoned, revealing glimpses of her bra underneath. Whereas the other 2 girls had their shirts fully buttoned up. So I thought she must be a goer and I wasn't wrong.

She has a firm, athletic body, not your typical skinny Chinese girl. Nice firm C rack that was so perfectly pert and round I thought it must be fake but they're real. She's a real devil this one, telling me to watch out for my little bro because she's randy.

Service was very typical, wash with you in the shower (you get nice, clean, modern rooms for this price although the air con didn't seem to be working making us both sweat profusely).

Lie on my front and she proceeds with the backrub, bodyslide, cat bath and rimming. She asked me to turn over and I offered to give her a massage. I always love this part when I get to play with the girl's body.

Turned her over and started licking and sucking her big, firm titties. Got some nice moans. Proceeded to DATY and was not met with any opposition. Bit hairy up top but perfectly hairless in between where it counts. I kept going at her for maybe 10 mins until she got soaking wet and came hard. Later she thanked me profusely for making her come on the job.

Then she returned the favour on me, BBBJ with those devilish eyes staring right back at me.

Had to have her now, I was getting so turned on by this minx. I moved her over to the mirrored walls and took her from behind. Started slowly then ramped up to a frantic pace. Wasn't long until I blew my load.

Showered together and she made me promise to see her next time I came. Threatened to kill me if I saw her in the line up next time and didn't choose her.

Only thing that could be improved was if these girls knew how to do a strip tease and if she didn't spend so long in the shower.

Price is too expensive and think I can get better value elsewhere for RMB 330. 580.

[QUOTE=Rod The Mod;510650]There are a lot of blatant brothels on Yu'er Lu in Dali old town. Some of them call themselves Tea Room, some don't, but it's not important. Walking down the road in the evening, you'll see a lot of places with pink lighting and girls sitting around on sofas. Usually they only have one slat of the door open. There must be at least ten of them, on both sides of the road. This is the western (tourist) side of town, roughly between Bo'ai Lu and Fuxing Lu , though they may extend further. To be honest I'm surprised it's so blatant, in such a big tourist destination. I didn't look too closely at the quality, or make any enquiries, because I'm not in the mood, but it's definitely there.[/QUOTE]I can confirm the 10 to a dozen brothels on Yu'er Lu are thriving, but lower down the street than described, east of Fuxing Lu. Was asked RMB300 for FS and that was very good value IMHO. Wish I was staying longer and could sample some more as the vast majority of the girls I saw were young and attractive, though generally better further up the street. I speak no Chinese at all and it was not a problem.

[QUOTE=Erik;430195]Dali does not have a very interesting sex scene, maybe more in Xiaguan, I am not sure. In old Dali, there is one short street outside the north gate with KTV and girls to choose, but all dogs. There was also a heavy police presence in town.[/QUOTE]Continuing from my previous post and updating on the above.

I can confirm that Old Dali, at least, has plenty of choice. Returning to Yu'er Lu, I counted 12 pink lounges and also found 2 more around the corner at the bottom of the hill.

My first visit was to the one second from top on the south side. A comparatively busy area but (a) I liked the look of the girls, (be) nobody in Dali knows me.

I made no attempt to haggle down the asking price of 300RMB as I would rather pay more for a good experience than negotiate less and get grudging service. Also that price would be a bargain in the UK of course. As it turned out the tongue bath, CBJ and FS I got in the room at the back was highly satisfactory, only slightly detracted from by the mini dog turd on the floor (which WAS quickly cleaned up) and the fact that the little dog stole my underpants!

Second time I went to a place down the hill north side on a corner. The girls were not quite as visually pleasing as before but I liked the look of one in particular. The price asked was 200RMB and this time I was led out back and into the side street then 300 metres or so along to a clean but slightly dingy hotel. I had to pay another 30RMB for the room, which was sparse but clean. Much less cramped than at the back-room place. No oral this time but straight on with the job after some manual stimulation. Nevertheless very enjoyable from my point of view.

Regarding KTV places, there are several in West Gate Village, across the main road from the West Gate (NOT the North Gate as stated previously). I didn't check them out other than walking past so can't comment on what might be available inside or whether non-Chinese would be admitted.

As for police, they are around but not high profile and there was no indication of any interest in the very obvious sex trade.

Any suggestions where to go in Lijiang or Zhongdian?

Harold Bell

After the report of Toxical, I thought Dali would be my choice for first mongering ever. So went to Yu Er Lu yesterday. Counted 9 pink lounges plus one where only 3 guys were sitting inside. All in all probably 40 girls.

As I speak no word of Chinese conversation was quite difficult.

Chose a girl probably in her mid-twenties, not to skinny. Had to pay the whole 300 in advance to her mamasan. No chance to pay later or a bit less, wanted to pay 250.

Wanted to come to my housing but I declined so went to a hotel, paid 70 for the room and action started.

She was quite impressed of my size and was happy that I had my own condoms with me. Her condoms looked much smaller than the already too small european ones.

During acting was a bit nervous and came first time already after some minutes but she agreed to a second round. Unfortunately she didn't really concentrate on me and watched TV and had two phone calls in between and absolutely no eye contact. A bit of turn off and so didn't came a second time. She also declined CBJ and riding on me.

All in all stayed one full hour in the hotel, in between she requested thrice to stop as she got pains.

Would give her a 7 cause she agreed to second round and in spite of having pains she continued, but have chosen her for her cute face and I didn't catch sight of it the whole time.

[QUOTE=Jubisan; 1198888]After the report of Toxical, I thought Dali would be my choice for first mongering ever. So went to Yu Er Lu yesterday. Counted 9 pink lounges plus one where only 3 guys were sitting inside. All in all probably 40 girls.

As I speak no word of Chinese conversation was quite difficult.

Chose a girl probably in her mid-twenties, not to skinny. Had to pay the whole 300 in advance to her mamasan. No chance to pay later or a bit less, wanted to pay 250.

Wanted to come to my housing but I declined so went to a hotel, paid 70 for the room and action started.

She was quite impressed of my size and was happy that I had my own condoms with me. Her condoms looked much smaller than the already too small european ones.

During acting was a bit nervous and came first time already after some minutes but she agreed to a second round. Unfortunately she didn't really concentrate on me and watched TV and had two phone calls in between and absolutely no eye contact. A bit of turn off and so didn't came a second time. She also declined CBJ and riding on me.

All in all stayed one full hour in the hotel, in between she requested thrice to stop as she got pains.

Would give her a 7 cause she agreed to second round and in spite of having pains she continued, but have chosen her for her cute face and I didn't catch sight of it the whole time.[/QUOTE]Never pay in advance.

Just my experience.

P13

Anyone been to Xishuangbanna lately? Or Ruili? What's the current situation?

[QUOTE=Jubisan; 1198888]After the report of Toxical, I thought Dali would be my choice for first mongering ever. So went to Yu Er Lu yesterday. Counted 9 pink lounges plus one where only 3 guys were sitting inside. All in all probably 40 girls.

As I speak no word of Chinese conversation was quite difficult.

Chose a girl probably in her mid-twenties, not to skinny. Had to pay the whole 300 in advance to her mamasan. No chance to pay later or a bit less, wanted to pay 250.

Wanted to come to my housing but I declined so went to a hotel, paid 70 for the room and action started.

She was quite impressed of my size and was happy that I had my own condoms with me. Her condoms looked much smaller than the already too small european ones.

During acting was a bit nervous and came first time already after some minutes but she agreed to a second round. Unfortunately she didn't really concentrate on me and watched TV and had two phone calls in between and absolutely no eye contact. A bit of turn off and so didn't came a second time. She also declined CBJ and riding on me.

All in all stayed one full hour in the hotel, in between she requested thrice to stop as she got pains.

Would give her a 7 cause she agreed to second round and in spite of having pains she continued, but have chosen her for her cute face and I didn't catch sight of it the whole time.[/QUOTE]Sorry your experience was less than fully satisfactory. It's always going to be hit & miss with these places but still excellent value IMO.

Yes, unfortunately not fully satisfactory. But still better than loosing the money in Macau like last time.

As the damage was not that high I don't regret it.

For paying in advance. I didn't want to but as she was the only cute girl at 9. 30pm. I saw another one before still eating dinner but when I returned she was already gone.

Rode in a taxi to help a friend with luggage and send off at the airport. On the way out I saw the Airport Hotel across the street and remembered a PM a brother had sent me a while back. Ventured across the street and up to the 7th floor. The guy in the suit greeted me like a long lost friend and knew why I was there. Down the hallway, down some stairs and into a room with separate wet area. Facilities not modern. He quoted 880 for 80 minutes and I did not even counter, just turned to walk and he immediately stopped me, we settled at 600. Shown three different girls, I picked the one with the biggest rack. She cleaned me up and standard fare on the bed. Cat bath but no AR (ok with me), body slide using her rack skillfully, BBBJ and finished with cowgirl and mish.

Cal8

Given that Yunnan is most ethnically diverse province, I'm curious to know what kind of women you usually get?

Are they all Han Chinese? Or do you get some coming from the small ethnicities? I am quite interested in shagging something that looks like a pretty, local village-type! After all, Han Chinese can be found all over the world! . Is this on offer?

I was out on a reconnaissance mission checking on information from the forum for later in the week since I was in the neighborhood. The New Nanjing Hotel is on Dongfeng Xi Lu just a bit north of Renmin Zhong Lu on the west side. The hotel shares a plaza / parking lot with the Nanjing Hotel and numerous other businesses. The New Nanjing Hotel is very nice and to the right of the entrance is a seemingly luxurious KTV or so I assume. All Chinese characters but no big "KTV" letters. There are glass doors and I could look in to see lineups of beauties waiting for customers. I am solo with minimal Chinese language skills so I will not be checking this place out. I must assume that the prices are up there. So whomever has a business account, this looks like a nice place from the outside.

On the other side of the plaza to the right of the Nanjing Hotel (not New) is a brightly lit and loud place called SOS8 Club. I only mention it because some foxy young ladies dressed to impress were on their way in as I explored the plaza. Again, I am old with no game or language skills so I will leave it to you younger guys to check it out.

Cal8

I had been to this place for take out on a previous trip to the Spring City. It is on YongKang Street / Road, a block and a half east of Beijing Road where the KaiWah Hotel is. I went in and the mamasan knew what I was there for and immediately brought out two gals. Picked one with ample cleavage and offered half of the 400 asking price for BJ. Out back and up some stairs to a small room with a bed. She just pulled up her top and undid her bra, after a few preliminaries, went at the BBBJ like a pro. So this is why this place has been mentioned in the forum as the BJ Shop.

Cal8

The Green Lake View Hotel in the Xiao Xi Men area if near the intersection of Renmin Zhong Lu and Dongfeng Xi Lu. NE corner then go one block east. 5th floor sauna. Ask for massage and they walk you through the foot massage room and deposit you in a room with bed and TV; no bathroom so this is just a massage room, they quoted 500 and we settled at 400. Shown a line up of three and not hard to choose the beauty as others were not up to her body and smile. 20 y/o from Yunnan. No catbath or AR routine. Lots of GFE, DFK, lame massage, HJ, BBBJ after trying to cover but put it away after I waved it away. CG and mish.

Now I have been back here for just the foot massage 88rmb for 80 minutes. The guy up front not remembering me asked if I wanted a girl and he held his hands out from his chest in a cupping position and saying 3rd floor. The 3rd floor is the hotel KTV. I surmise that the line up I saw was KTV girls brought upstairs. So if I am right in my assumption, since I am solo, I felt that I paid the ST fee to a KTV gal without the room / drinks / fruit fee. This may also explain the lack of sauna routine which is fine with me. Perhaps if you go down to the 3rd floor with the guy you may see more girls in the line up.

Cal8

Still catching up on reports. Thanks to Haomaru for forum posts from 6 months ago, very useful. My Chinese is minimal at best.

In the New Nanjing Hotel plaza to the far left as you face the hotel. This hotel is on Dongfeng Xi Lu north of Renmin Zhong Lu. The big sign says Nanjing Supreme Water Remit in english. Gal meets you in the lobby and sends you up to the 5th floor. Take your shoes and send you into the locker room for shower and jammies. Nice facilities so far. Could I be at the wrong place? There is a grandfather and grandson soaking / playing in the big pool watching cartoons. Sent up one flight of stairs and greeted and asked if I want to eat, I decline and am seated in an enormous room split into sections of foot massage reclainers all with its own tv screen. They offer me a drink and a manager comes and to ask me the services I want. She is young and cute and so are the other managers roaming the place, all in black business suits. She shows me a Chinese list of services and I just pick out the 298rmb for 90 minutes.

I am shown to an elevator and then brought to my massage room. Room is quite nice with big bed and tv screen on the wall. A knock on the door and the masseuse enters, no line up but I am satisfied with her. After the usual preparations, off my shirt goes and I lie down on my stomach. Drats, she puts a towel over my back and starts the massage. A playful push away of my hand as I explore her legs but I am persistent and eventually get under her skirt. Her clothes never come off though. Actually a very good massage. You know the position if you have been there: on my stomach with my legs on her thighs to give her full access to the most important area. Long and slow with oil. On the flip, more slow HJ until my happy ending. There is still more time and I get more professional massage.

When time is up, back to the footie area and I am asked again if I want to eat. I rest a bit more then head to the locker for another shower. How do they expect me to dry my big fat body with a little hand towel? On check out, there is a big flat screen showing the charges but in Chinese. I can see 398 but my final charge is 351rmb. Again, my Chinese is not good enough to get a breakdown. In restrospect, perhaps 100 for the sauna fee but a 47 discount since I did not eat any food.

A luxurious place for those wealthy locals to rest and relax. If I return, maybe I will try some food.

Cal8

Went here based on previous reports in the forum, thanks bros. The business card of the hotel says: Guan Nan of Daguan Kunming Hotel. It is just off of RiXin Lu south of the where the two creeks intersect Rixin Lu. There is an Islam restaurant, Alladin on the corner, just go across the street and a bit north. The elevator goes to the 4th floor and I look down the hallway both ways and all I see is hotel rooms. Oh good, there is a stairwell leading up one more floor and this is where the sauna is. Older place, I had to wait longer than normal for hot water from the shower; there is a big pool for soaking. Into a room with no bathroom and shortly there is a lineup of about 8. A few I could pick so nice to not just be given one at a time. The one I picked had big eyes and was 25 from Sichuan. Body slide on the bed, cat bath, AR and BBBJ with her eyes on you the whole time. The positions I liked and of course, the normal fake moans.

There is a foot massage room where you can rest before and / or after the deed with the TV screen on the wall. Settled at the front desk. 400rmb.

Cal8

Again checking out a sauna from previous reports, thanks. There is an office building on the southwest corner. An ICBC Bank on the XiYuan side and Bank of China on the DianXi side. But no apparent way to get upstairs. Thoroughly befuddled but as I walk down XiYuan Lu, there is a guard and a driveway. I enter and it is the courtyard / parking lot of the office building and residential quarter. So I walk past families to where I see a sign indicating 24 hours. There it is, an entrance to the rest of the building and I take the elevator to the 4th floor. There are english words on their big sign, Sauna & Health Center.

The facilities are not old, they are antiquated! When you enter the shower area, the guy flips a switch (probably both turns on the lights and hot water. Into the rest area then led to a smallish room with a bed on the floor and a real old little tv. The first gal on offer is a pork chop but the second is quite acceptable fortunately. A 26 why / o Yunnan gal gives a fair massage, body slide, AR, CBJ and the deed. I am pleasantly surprised by the good service.

328rmb on the way out. If you are used to Shanghai saunas this may not be the place for you. If you are looking for a good value, jackpot.

Cal8

On the west side of XiYuan Lu between just south of Renmin Xi Lu, not on the street but in the little alleys off the street. This is not your typical BBS with girls sitting in a small shop watching tv. They are standing in the alleys and it is dark. I did not sample, though it was dark, the gals looked to have a bit more mileage and I would imagine the room you are brought to would be for only the brave. If you want to be like a local, here you go.

Cal8

This is off the main subject but I can not monger every night. The place I return to for my veggie footie is He Ri Jun Zu Liao. It is just a few doors east of Beijing Lu on Yong An Lu; this is in the area a few blocks north of the south railway station. I think it is a value at 78rmb for 90 minutes though I know there are plenty of little hole in the wall places for less. There are private rooms, you get the normal bit of fruit and tea and have a tv. Not all of the gals are cuties but there are some (all are friendly) and the massage is just to my liking. Here you get a walk on the back so hope you don't get a big boned gal. Last time I was appointed a guy and I just asked to switch, no problem. I dislike the places with the sofas in a big room because invariably someone that smokes gets placed near me.

Cal8

Hi guys,

Those of you who travel / or even work? In Kunming I know two sauna / hotel places which are top rated.

The two places are from a sex guide a Chinese guy gave me.

If you want the address let me know your email.

Here are the detailled ratings transalted from Chinese:

PLACE1: addres:. Province yunnan / kunming city.

Service: FS full service.

Girls: 20 more.

Girls attitude: 80/100.

Environment: 80/100.

FS time: 100 minutes.

Pricing: 488Yuan with VIP card 390.

Safety: safe, new place, FS in hotel room, boss friendly.

PLACE2: address: province yunnan / kunming city.

Service: FS.

Girls: 20 more girls.

Attitude: 85.

Environment: 80.

Opening: 24hours open.

Price: 400yuan.

Sfety: very safe. 4 star hotel, taxi driver said its safe.

I'm Ralf, mention you want Kunming infos.

Thanks again to previous posts, I checked this place out. Easy to find. 50 Ke Yi Lu just west of the 2nd Ring Road. 5th floor and when I was taking off shoes, a line up of gals walks through the reception area with smocks on over their mini dresses. Figured out later that there are service rooms on each side. After the locker room, once inside the room, line up of 8 and I picked the most petite and young looking one. She is from Yunnan and gave normal cat bath and BBBJ. Lucky for me to pick a small gal, she was tight. I got to see on her lower back the first tramp stamp in a sauna in China. 450rmb which surprised me because I had read higher on the forum.

Cal8

Hi Guys.

I am pretty new to Kunming after 8 years in Bangkok where things were a lot easier!

Would love to here from anyone who could tell me the best place to get quality girls to take back to my hotel. I am based outside the city but spend 2 nights there every week on business so looking for a hassle free service.

Not bothered so much about price. Just a quality girl and the 'procedures' involved in getting bak to the hotel. No Chinese language skills so any tip are much appreciated!

About 4 years ago I had a trip around Yunnan. I visited Hekou, Kunming, Yuxi, Dali, Lijiang and Lake Lugu Hu.

Hekou was good fun, Kunming frustrating, Dali I had some great fun in the pink shops, Lijiang was SW scam central and the KTV at Lake Lugu Hu was a blast. However best of all was Yuxi. I spend several days there and could not get enough of the place.

I have read that there have been a crack down and all the barber shops are gone, has there been a crack down on the sex scene generally over the last four years?

I am trying to organise a return trip, but as I primarially travel for mongering and secondly for sight seeing I wonder if Yunnan is still worth a visit?

Anyone who have been there recently?

Some memories from the trip 4 years ago.

Hi Cepu,

I was just back from Dali. Can confirm that that pink salon in the old town is alive and well. They are on Yuer lu to the east of Fuxing lu. There were 3-5 houses on one night and 6-8 houses on another night I was there.

Raid in China is an intermittent exercise. Once it is over, thing would be back to normal.

I had great fun too and found a gem in Dali. Please share the location of the places in Yuxi if you don't mind.

[QUOTE=Cepu19; 1229163]About 4 years ago I had a trip around Yunnan. I visited Hekou, Kunming, Yuxi, Dali, Lijiang and Lake Lugu Hu.

Hekou was good fun, Kunming frustrating, Dali I had some great fun in the pink shops, Lijiang was SW scam central and the KTV at Lake Lugu Hu was a blast. However best of all was Yuxi. I spend several days there and could not get enough of the place.

I have read that there have been a crack down and all the barber shops are gone, has there been a crack down on the sex scene generally over the last four years?

I am trying to organise a return trip, but as I primarially travel for mongering and secondly for sight seeing I wonder if Yunnan is still worth a visit?

Anyone who have been there recently?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Chineselover; 1230804]Hi Cepu,

I was just back from Dali. Can confirm that that pink salon in the old town is alive and well. They are on Yuer lu to the east of Fuxing lu. There were 3-5 houses on one night and 6-8 houses on another night I was there.

Raid in China is an intermittent exercise. Once it is over, thing would be back to normal.

I had great fun too and found a gem in Dali. Please share the location of the places in Yuxi if you don't mind.[/QUOTE]Here is a mud map over the area in Yuxi. However I did read that all the BBS shops are gone now.

There were also some street girls in Dali who did the business in cars, but as I did not have one I did not try. I went to the Karaoke shops outside the gate, but did not have much success there.

Very keen to hear from anyone who have been to Hekou or Yuxi recently.

I passed through Dali recently. Yuer Lu seemed completely dead. A few of shops had 'for rent' signs up. Anyone know any more? Maybe I hit a quiet night or there had been a short-lived crackdown?

I'd also like to know if Yuxi is still active. Anyone been there?

[QUOTE=ChinaReise2012; 1217347]Hi guys,

Those of you who travel / or even work? In Kunming I know two sauna / hotel places which are top rated.

The two places are from a sex guide a Chinese guy gave me.

If you want the address let me know your email.

Here are the detailled ratings transalted from Chinese:

PLACE1: addres:. Province yunnan / kunming city.

Service: FS full service...[/QUOTE]Hi Ralf.

I'm quite interested in the Kunming places as I go there quite often. I don't have full membership so can't pm you my email. What to do? Can you just post the names and addresses here maybe?

Thanks

Yuxi is completely dry. All shops are gone and you have to find it through pimps. Some hotels will allow the laboans to come around and approach you and some won't or wouldn't have any contact on borad. I had a hard time making a reliable connection; it could be hit and miss. I was told three hundred but I did not try.

In Kunming, I was approached by pimps in the evening at the usual corners but still too much crowd around to get into details. Four hunderd but it sounded shaky and probably could have been lowered. I think I had noticed a couple of the girls around those areas from earlier in the afternoon, and they looked doable.

I heard Lijiang is a great place for man, anyone has been there and can share some info?

OS

I am new to this part. Any recommendations for golfers who want to do the 19 and 20th hole in here? Any contact who can arrange both?

[QUOTE=ChinaReise2012; 1217347]Hi guys,

Those of you who travel / or even work? In Kunming I know two sauna / hotel places which are top rated.

I'm Ralf, mention you want Kunming infos.[/QUOTE]Dear Ralf.

Are you still active? I can give you some Dongguan numbers in return for Kunming info.

Cheers

Kunming at the moment is very very dry. Forget about it as a destination for mongering.

Traveling to Kunming Weds and Thurs night this week, then Dali for weekend.

Business travel so hotel will be per Company policy (4 or 5 star if available).

I would like to know if good outcall service to room. Clean and no drama more important than price.

Young GFE would be bonus.

Anyone have some numbers, please PM.

Thanks.

MLQ

Hello,

Traveling to Kunming and Dali for business.

Anyone have numbers for outcall FS please send me Privat Message.

Thanks,

Mlq

Hi guys.

Just been to Dali and confirmed that the 'pink shops' are still around, just more out of sight. If you go down Yuer lu to where the biggest shop was, on the rounded corner, just go left 20m into that alley and it's right there. RMB200 a pop. The girl takes you to a house another 20m down the alley. Other much smaller shops are in the alley on the other side of Yuer (going south) , you walk along and will see the telltale pink lights. They each just have 2-5 girls while the big one had about a dozen when I was there. No stunners but friendly and willing.

Enjoy!

Back in Kunming, China after a more than 2 year absence.

As soon as I could get away, I went around to the BBS in Xi Yuan Lu, near the corner of Danxia Lu, that I had frequented in the past to see if there where any fresh recruits.

I was unpleasantly surprised to find all the BBS gone. The sex aid shop was still there but otherwise it's now all small facial shops, clinics, legitimate massage shops, etc.

The local administration here is marketing Kunming as a wholesome family vacation destination, (Spring City and all that) any visible prostitution is being eliminated.

I'll have a look and see if the train station BBS are also gone, but to be honest I always found them to be a little too grotty, even for my taste and I've never been fussy about amenities.

Update on Kunming.

I went on business travel. Stayed at Kaiwah Plaza.

There is a KTV on the 5th floor.

One of the Service Girls (the ones that stay in the room and bring more beer, etc) also worked after her shift was over.

About 12 midnight she was free to go to room. I had her come to my room for overnight (the rest of the night)

Very good looking (maybe an 8 or 9) hot body. Probably 21 or 22 yrs old. Tall.

GFE. Not cheap though. 2000 rmb for the night. Multiple. Showers together. No rush. As much sex as I wanted.

Send me a msg if you want her name and contact information.

MLQ

[QUOTE=Ma Li Qiang; 1335539]Update on Kunming.

I went on business travel. Stayed at Kaiwah Plaza.

There is a KTV on the 5th floor.

One of the Service Girls (the ones that stay in the room and bring more beer, etc) also worked after her shift was over.

About 12 midnight she was free to go to room. I had her come to my room for overnight (the rest of the night)

Very good looking (maybe an 8 or 9) hot body. Probably 21 or 22 yrs old. Tall.

GFE. Not cheap though. 2000 rmb for the night. Multiple. Showers together. No rush. As much sex as I wanted.

Send me a msg if you want her name and contact information.

MLQ[/QUOTE]Kunming KTV DJ doable, wonderful, I will need to try visiting that city. You couldn't find a sitting girl attractive enough to go back with you?

OS

[QUOTE=Old South; 1335709]Kunming KTV DJ doable, wonderful, I will need to try visiting that city. You couldn't find a sitting girl attractive enough to go back with you?

OS[/QUOTE]There certainly were sitting girls that were attractive. Unfortunately, the one that I picked out from line up was bad time of month so couldn't play back at my hotel. It was a bit complicated because I was with work colleagues and had to be discrete about what I was up to. Anyway, I didn't lose anything on going back with the Service gal. She was every bit as hot as the sitting girls. She went by Panda if you go there. Highly recommend.

Decided to try and locate the BJ coffee shop last night ([url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1637-West-China-Kunming&p=1215511[/url]) , but couldn't seem to find it, so went back in daylight this afternoon.

I eventually located it and what a surprise, it had been closed down, (see photo) presumably by the anti-fun police.

There was a SW in a black and white stripy dress hanging out on the intersection behind the hotel, but otherwise no signs off life.

Got off the train last night and decided to go for a walk through the nearby BBS area in Yongping Lu. I've never spent much time here before as it was my understanding that it mainly catered to Chinese domestic tourists and was all a bit too visible, but since I was here anyway with time on my hands, why not have a quick look.

Walked up and down the street twice getting a feel for what was on offer.

There were plenty of middle aged female touts quietly offering sex, which I thought was a little unnecessary since the BBS's where right there, why would you need touts?

That is until I started talking to a few, they were quoting sauna prices and flashing cards with pictures of hotels on them. They had nothing to do with the BBS's and where just acting as middlemen for hotel sauna operations, one even started calling a taxi to come pick me up before I'd even had a chance to say no.

Another had a unique, (in my experience) sales strategy. She was holding a baby and as she walked next to me she said "anmo. Chou mei mei" in a sing song voice, to which the child would repeat "mei mei". I had to laugh, this would have to be the youngest business apprentice in China. Even Trump would be hard pressed to fire this one.

So then went directly to the first BBS I saw with young woman siting near the entrance. One said "anmo" several times so I went in and asked to have a look at the amenities. In an open, unlit room at the back there were 2 very grubby massage tables that you couldn't have paid me to touch let alone lie on. I made it clear that I wasn't liking what I was seeing and the girl offered no other alternatives, just kept trying to sell me on the room. Needless to say I beat a hasty retreat and caught the next bus home.

There were other so called BBS's in the street, but none were looking any better from the outside, if someone else wants to check them out then by all means, but that's all from me on Yonping Lu.

[QUOTE=California8; 1215670]The Green Lake View Hotel in the Xiao Xi Men area if near the intersection of Renmin Zhong Lu and Dongfeng Xi Lu. NE corner then go one block east. 5th floor sauna. Ask for massage and they walk you through the foot massage room and deposit you in a room with bed and TV; no bathroom so this is just a massage room, they quoted 500 and we settled at 400. Shown a line up of three and not hard to choose the beauty as others were not up to her body and smile. 20 why / o from Yunnan. No catbath or AR routine. Lots of GFE, DFK, lame massage, HJ, BBBJ after trying to cover but put it away after I waved it away. CG and mish.

Now I have been back here for just the foot massage 88rmb for 80 minutes. The guy up front not remembering me asked if I wanted a girl and he held his hands out from his chest in a cupping position and saying 3rd floor. The 3rd floor is the hotel KTV. I surmise that the line up I saw was KTV girls brought upstairs. So if I am right in my assumption, since I am solo, I felt that I paid the ST fee to a KTV gal without the room / drinks / fruit fee. This may also explain the lack of sauna routine which is fine with me. Perhaps if you go down to the 3rd floor with the guy you may see more girls in the line up.

Cal8[/QUOTE]The Xiao Xi Men area hotel near the intersection of Renmin Zhong Lu and Dongfeng Xi Lu, that California8 critiqued a year ago is gone.

You can still see some of the signage on the outside of the 3rd floor when you go past in the bus, otherwise it's all shops on the ground floor now, no hotel or sauna facilities, so don't waste your time looking.

There is a large newish KTV only business called 'Windsor' occupying the 3rd floor of the neighbouring building. My guess is that they couldn't compete.

Heading to Kunming in a few days for traveling before heading over to Lijiang. Rather sad to hear the anti-fun team has run the place dry. Probably going to stay at the Golden Dragon Hotel (300 rmb per night for a 4 star isn't too bad). Anyone been to the spa attached to this place recently? Last report seems to have been over a year ago, and wondering if the rates are still the same (or if it's still even in business).

Atomic. Have you been to the other streets known for BBS nearby? Yong Ping, Yong Shan, Yong Kang have all been mentioned in the thread to some extent. Also curious if anyone's heard of what is going on with the Golden Star neighborhood north of Beijing Road. Used to be lots of cheap action there from what I've read.

[QUOTE=Lalado; 1343229]Heading to Kunming in a few days for traveling before heading over to Lijiang. Rather sad to hear the anti-fun team has run the place dry. Probably going to stay at the Golden Dragon Hotel (300 rmb per night for a 4 star isn't too bad). Anyone been to the spa attached to this place recently? Last report seems to have been over a year ago, and wondering if the rates are still the same (or if it's still even in business).

Atomic. Have you been to the other streets known for BBS nearby? Yong Ping, Yong Shan, Yong Kang have all been mentioned in the thread to some extent. Also curious if anyone's heard of what is going on with the Golden Star neighborhood north of Beijing Road. Used to be lots of cheap action there from what I've read.[/QUOTE]I think the Golden Dragon spa is still operating, thought he facade has been knocked around by the recent work on the new subway and I believe they are at the pricier end of the spectrum. You might want to try the Kunming Golden Spring Hotel, 93 Renmin East Road, Panlong, Kunming +86 871 319 6888. It's not far from where you'll be staying and I hear it has sauna women available for the 'special massage' at 400rmb. I haven't been able to independently verify this though.

If your tastes run to picking up SW try around the back of Kai Wah International Hotel between Yong'an Lu and Yongkang Lu, take care though.

As for BBS's my advise is forget it, if you can find one it will be dirty and dangerous.

[QUOTE=Cepu19;1229165]Some memories from the trip 4 years ago.[/QUOTE]Almost impossible to get photos of the girls now. They're all scared spitless after all the raids earlier in the year.

[QUOTE=California8; 1216831]Went here based on previous reports in the forum, thanks bros. The business card of the hotel says: Guan Nan of Daguan Kunming Hotel. It is just off of RiXin Lu south of the where the two creeks intersect Rixin Lu. There is an Islam restaurant, Alladin on the corner, just go across the street and a bit north. The elevator goes to the 4th floor and I look down the hallway both ways and all I see is hotel rooms. Oh good, there is a stairwell leading up one more floor and this is where the sauna is. Older place, I had to wait longer than normal for hot water from the shower; there is a big pool for soaking. Into a room with no bathroom and shortly there is a lineup of about 8. A few I could pick so nice to not just be given one at a time. The one I picked had big eyes and was 25 from Sichuan. Body slide on the bed, cat bath, AR and BBBJ with her eyes on you the whole time. The positions I liked and of course, the normal fake moans.

There is a foot massage room where you can rest before and / or after the deed with the TV screen on the wall. Settled at the front desk. 400rmb.

Cal8[/QUOTE]Guan Nan of the Guan Kunming Hotel.

Shili Long Street, Rixin East Road, Xishan District, Kunming 650000, China.

0871-6456 7777.

Detailed account of the experience:

I'm due to fly back to oz in less than 2 weeks and when I found I had some free time last Thursday night (20th) , decided to check out a different establishment to the usual while I still had an opportunity.

I arrived at the the Guan Hotel at 8:15pm. It is located across the road from the Alladin Restaurant which is located at the intersection of Rixin East Lu and Shili Long Lu. The hotel fronts onto the smaller road, I took few pictures for those who want to check it out.

The hotel looks as though someone spent a lot of money building it originally, but hasn't kept up the maintenance and it is starting to look a bit run down. The single elevator for example was out of order when I visited and I had to walk the up to the sauna on the 5th floor. No great hardship, but not a good introduction.

No one at the sauna reception speaks a word of english, so had to assume they knew what I was there for. I was given some thongs to change into and walked to a change room. I could see what appeared to be a sauna set-up further on and wanted to have a quick look before getting undressed. I stuck my head around the corner and saw 5 or so Chinese attendants standing in a hot water area (showers, bathing areas, etc.) though it was a bit hard to see, since it was otherwise deserted and the lights had not been turned on.

There where no other patrons, the place had a somewhat grotty feel and I wasn't particularly comfortable getting undressed while 10 or so Chinese guys looked on, so listened to my gut and walked.

As I walked back to the reception area and put my shoes back on the male attendant is yammering away, no doubt trying to sell me on the place, but even if I had had some idea what he was saying, I wouldn't have stayed.

Conclusion:

This place may have been good back in the day, but appears to be past it's use by date.

Hello all.

RTFF, but it's been 5 months since the last update.

Did the anti-fun popo clean the entire city up, or are we regulated to hotel saunas? Can anybody please advise what is still open?

Many thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Equine; 1419346]Hello all.

RTFF, but it's been 5 months since the last update.

Did the anti-fun popo clean the entire city up, or are we regulated to hotel saunas? Can anybody please advise what is still open?

Many thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Haven't mongered for a while so don't know the exact situation, however, the SE Asian Expo is occurring from June 6th through the 10th so most likely the police are out in force.

i was raped!

this address (might be well know from you all) will only be given to long time members or kunming residents, and they will choose or not to share it.

300rmb, hot like a burning charcoal, medium large natural breast, bbbj, fs (cover) , no dyt, mega gf.

the place looks real bad, but actually fs in 100% included in the "massage" lol

[quote=haokool; 1433253]i was raped!

this address (might be well know from you all) will only be given to long time members or kunming residents, and they will choose or not to share it.

300rmb, hot like a burning charcoal, medium large natural breast, bbbj, fs (cover) , no dyt, mega gf.

the place looks real bad, but actually fs in 100% included in the "massage" lol[/quote]dude haokool.

you need to calm down. we understand that you were raped. you need some therapy. lets start with you giving the forum blow by blow detail. you will feel better after chatting about it. if you have pictures please post them.

now, sit back and tell the isg brothers. we will help you get over this [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url].

[quote=haokool; 1433253]i was raped!

this address (might be well know from you all) will only be given to long time members or kunming residents, and they will choose or not to share it.

300rmb, hot like a burning charcoal, medium large natural breast, bbbj, fs (cover) , no dyt, mega gf.

the place looks real bad, but actually fs in 100% included in the "massage" lol[/quote]woah! please do share the deets!

I had my first trip to Kunming in Autumn 2012 when I was still very new to China. I was, however, aware of what is available in many MP and quite taken aback on arrival at the Kunming Grand Park Hotel to find the Spa right next door to the main entrance and pretty much screaming "GET IT HERE BIG BOY", being named as it is "TOUCH SPA" (yes, all in capitals).

I did want a massage though and went in to find out the prices and closing times (3am IIRC). I was greeted by a masseuse who, perhaps uncharitably, looked to be around 40 and was dressed in a short leather crop top and short leather miniskirt, midriff exposed. Made me feel uncomfortable on several levels and I left, but returned later for the massage. Massage was good, I was entirely clothed (bar socks and shoes!) and the masseuse was normally dressed. The room was dimly lit but clean and had a modern feel to it. There was a shower and deep tub in the room, and two massage tables (not beds). I chatted to the masseuse, who told me she was married, and then surprised me considerably when she asked in English whether I wanted "sex massage". She didn't seem the type and we were both fully dressed. I said no, but morbid curiosity got the better of me and I asked how much. And she left the room, returning with the leather-clad, leather faced lady from earlier.

I nearly laughed out loud when I was quoted RMB 1, 500 for FS and I think 800 for HJ. I wasn't after sex, just curious about price, but even then I knew that wasn't the going rate! She did try dropping to 600 (don't know which for) and said they could take a card if I hadn't enough cash (yeah right!) ; and later my original masseuse came back and asked if I wanted to change the girl. I declined and left, paying for the massage. Don't remember how much but expect it was under 200 RMB or I wouldn't have gone.

I did return on a future visit and was offered "room number massage" by the hostess, but I was after a footbath and back rub. I was upsold to a further hour of full-body massage, again fully clothed, and there was no further suggestion of other services.

On both occasions I was asked directly for a tip. I think I gave 10 RMB each time.

Hi there!

I'll be in Kunming soon and I was reading through the posts to choose the best place to go for a nice massage and full service experience. I don't want to spend too much and it seems the standard price is 400RMB for a good full service massage?

Nan Jiang Hotel and Golden Dragon Hotel seem to be the best rated? Anyone has had a massage recently in one of those hotels? Is it still available?

And what about a sensual oil massage with a pretty nude girl? Where to go for that?

Thanks a lot!

[QUOTE=Atomic Sunburn; 1334624]Back in Kunming, China after a more than 2 year absence.

As soon as I could get away, I went around to the BBS in Xi Yuan Lu, near the corner of Danxia Lu, that I had frequented in the past to see if there where any fresh recruits.

I was unpleasantly surprised to find all the BBS gone. The sex aid shop was still there but otherwise it's now all small facial shops, clinics, legitimate massage shops, etc.

The local administration here is marketing Kunming as a wholesome family vacation destination, (Spring City and all that) any visible prostitution is being eliminated.

I'll have a look and see if the train station BBS are also gone, but to be honest I always found them to be a little too grotty, even for my taste and I've never been fussy about amenities.[/QUOTE]Hi,

I went there today (Xi Yuan Lu South of DanXiaLu) and I looked for stores with the words &25353; &25705; massage. I found two, one on each side of the street. The one on the left side of the street going south they only provide HJ. I tried to insist if they gave something else but nothing, she was sticking with the HJ or regular massage. So I left and went to one on the other side, close to the intersection with DanXiaLu. I went there at 1pm (I guess too early) and there only was a little fat girl. I didn't want to keep looking so I gave it a try. It was awful. Not sexy at all and it looked like no experience. After trying many things she declined because my dick wasn't getting hard. I gave her the money and asked for another girl. Fortunately there was a cute little girl who just came and with a nice smile on her face all the way. She gave me a BJ for 100 (it seems too much but I was tired of bargaining). She wanted 300 for FS and I didn't want to spend that much. But it was an ok BJ. Much better than the first girl.

So I won't suggest going to XiYuanLu as there is no good choice.

[QUOTE=Doufupy; 1443268]Hi, I went there today (Xi Yuan Lu South of DanXiaLu) and I looked for stores with the words &25353; &25705; massage. I found two, one on each side of the street. The one on the left side of the street going south they only provide HJ. I tried to insist if they gave something else but nothing, she was sticking with the HJ or regular massage. So I left and went to one on the other side, close to the intersection with DanXiaLu. I went there at 1pm (I guess too early) and there only was a little fat girl. I didn't want to keep looking so I gave it a try. It was awful. Not sexy at all and it looked like no experience. After trying many things she declined because my dick wasn't getting hard. I gave her the money and asked for another girl. Fortunately there was a cute little girl who just came and with a nice smile on her face all the way. She gave me a BJ for 100 (it seems too much but I was tired of bargaining). She wanted 300 for FS and I didn't want to spend that much. But it was an ok BJ. Much better than the first girl.

So I won't suggest going to XiYuanLu as there is no good choice.[/QUOTE]Seems like 300 may not have been a bad "buy in" to be her first of the day. For me personally, to follow after who knows how many and expect any kind of service, seems like a bit much. So if she was OK and you were even a bit interested, I probably would have gone for it. Just my POV. Mrclen

Hey Fellas!

I'm an expert monger when it comes to places like guangzhou and hongkong! However, I've never really been to kunming except for connecting flights. I wish to spend some time there this time around.

Are there any pick up clubs like in kunming? Like Kama in Guangzhou. Full of russians, columbians etc?

Advise would be much appreciated.

Thanks!

Sam

In front of the Chuncheng Garden Tianhong hotel is an open door leading to a massage parlour. Late at night, the laoban asked me what I wanted. I countered by asking what there was, which earned me a scornful mouthful of I-don't-know-what, but I assume ran along the lines of,"quit dicking about, man, and get to the point". I asked for xm fuwu which he appeared to tell me was not available. The amount of hair spray holding up the hair of the two 20-ish girls giggling behind him suggested otherwise, but he wasn't budging and I hadn't a hope of negotiating. But I don't believe for a moment that a HE at least isn't available to anyone capable of asking for it.

I believe it was the Horizon hotel I found and went in to following a long walk around the streets of Kunming. An upscale hotel, recessed front door to accommodate a driveway. Inside I took the lift to the relevant floor where a massage parlour adjoined the regular leisure facilities.

A noticeboard at the entrance listed five or six different massages of different countries (Thai, Swedish.). Most were offered at two different lengths, but the French massage was just the one.

And that, brothers, may well be where our treasure can be found.

Hello there fellow mongers! I have recently moved to Kunming and must say am pretty disappointed reading recent posts reporting how dry it is here. I speak pretty much no Chinese so will have to tread very carefully indeed. Hopefully I will be able to monger something worth sharing!

i just wonder how we might go about getting more info about finding this place.

[quote=haokool; 1433253]i was raped!

this address (might be well know from you all) will only be given to long time members or kunming residents, and they will choose or not to share it.

300rmb, hot like a burning charcoal, medium large natural breast, bbbj, fs (cover) , no dyt, mega gf.

the place looks real bad, but actually fs in 100% included in the "massage" lol[/quote]

Walking down beichen ave near beijing road at 3am I saw a small hotel / spa / massage deal from across the road with a couple phone numbers on a big sign. I called the number for the massage part and asked if I can get service. The guy who didn't answer but called me back two minutes later said yes they aren't closed, do I need massage? I say maybe I do, but what other service is available. He says what do you mean? I say special service, he says yeah we have that. 1 pop 500 two pop 600, do you have a place? I say no, he says ok you can use our hotel come on over. So I did. 600 got me about 20 minutes from a mid 30's smoker who was pissed at the guy for not telling her on the phone I was foreign. Also the room was smelly.

She showered then very quick b2b then CBJ and if I can get the first pop from only that. Of course not so some quick missionary, and then literally rinsed and repeated. As soon as she started CBJ#2 she asked for a 100 kuai tip, which I laughed at and told her ask again at the end. Couldn't get the second finish because no down time at all in between and she was happy to hear me call it quits. She asked again for that tip and I laughed again, rinsed again, and left.

Had a great time in Kunming last winter.

Sauna + B2 B + Rimming and FS near Zhoulai road roof top place.

Selection was also OK.

Total cost 1000 ¥.

How do you guys know which sauna / spa place offers FS?

Has anyone here been to Hekou recently and if so would you mind providing some tips for someone totally new to China scene and with no Mandarin?!

Feel free to PM me if you prefer.

[QUOTE=BaddaBam;1600944]How do you guys know which sauna / spa place offers FS?[/QUOTE]FS usually have a bevy of beauties as door greeters. It's a GOOD sign! Failing that, DISCRETELY ask the manager (NOT the door greeter / attendant).

The latest crackdown on prostitution that started in Dongguan at the beginning of the year seems to be on a different level than crackdowns past. I was turned away at several Kunming saunas, told they will not admit foreigners. I finally found one that would, but HJ and covered BJ are the maximum on offer. About 300 rmb, plus entrance fees, so over 400 total. Seems the days of multiple venues and easy access may truly be gone. Found a few call cards in a franchise motel but would be too nervous to call, given the noticeable police presence and many stories of busts and frequent checks. If anyone knows different, I'd love to hear.

Just want to check whether this is the most appropriate thread to post about my recent experiences in other cities in Yunnan province?

Yunnan is a big fucking place. Why is there only one thread for Kunming? What the other cities? Lijiang? Dali? Xishuangbanna?

I've combined FRs for a few of the towns I visited in Yunnan province. I will upload separate reports for some places where I think a map is helpful. But first some personal observations about mongering in Yunnan province:

Many girls smoke and have tattoos.

A large number of girls I attempted to take were afraid to go with a foreigner this is something I have experienced more in China than anywhere else that I've mongered. I'd say about 30% of the time I got rejected even though I'm not bad looking.

I found larger more popular tourist cities to be rubbish. Maybe if you are well connected is different? I found that when I got off the beaten track a little all the smaller local towns have a healthy sex scene and people are happy to help a man in need.


Mengzi

I only stayed one night here but I think it has lots of potential and would happily go back.

I stayed in a hotel near the bus station; I don't know the name of it because it was in Chinese. I used Bing translator to tell the hotel receptionist that I needed lady. She made a phone call and then I three hot Vietnamese came up to my room; I picked the cutest one and I had a really good service starting with BBBJ followed by a hot session with many positions and kissing.

It cost 200 RMB for one shot.


Chuxiong

Purple Cloud is the English translation of the name of the hotel that I stayed in. With the help of Bing translator the hotel reception was able to call me some girls for me. I saw two girls. Both of them were ethnic minority. The first girl seemed sweet enough but was not that pretty so I asked for another. The second girl was really cute and we had a passionate session.

Damage 150 RMB.


Mengla

About 10 minutes motorbike ride away from the bus station on a main street called Zhangjie Lu there are about 6-8 groups of hookers, each group consists of between 3 6 girls. Most of the girls are from Szechuan province and some of them are very pretty. You can take the girls back to your hotel or use one of the short-time rooms in any of the hotels nearby. The girl I took was cute, but a bit of a starfish.

Cost for ST 150 RMB.


Dali

Pounded the streets for hours looking for some action but could find anything suitable. Couldn't find the pink shops mentioned on this thread so either I was looking in the wrong place or they have gone. There are plenty of KTVs outside of the old town where I presume you could easily get a lady, but I guess it would be pricey and going by myself with my non-existent Mandarin didn't appeal.

I didn't stop over at Xiaguan but just from passing through I 'the put money on there being plenty of action available.

I love Lao girls. I've always enjoyed Udon Thani & Nong Kai in Thailand and Vientiane. I'd hoped to find some sweet Laotians in Mengla, but when I didn't I decided to head to the border town of Mohan. To my surprise Lao meat was off the menu, however, there are a number of brothels with Chinese girls.

I use the term 'girls' lightly. These veterans ranged from 25+ to mid-forties, I'd guess. What really shocked me was their reluctance to go with a foreigner given the quality. I'd travelled all the way here and didn't want to leave without blowing my load. I settled for an ugly 30 year old. Service was poor. I'd only ever head back to Mohan if I wanted to cross the border to Laos.

Price 100 RMB.

I found a street with about 50 girls standing outside brothels touting their wares. The quality varied considerably from ugly 40 year olds (most fit into this category) to a few hot younger gems.

I took a cutie and banged her in her lady house. Service was fairly poor and the surroundings were dirty. There are some good bbq's around the corner to refuel afterwards.

Price is 50 RMB for suck, 100 RMB for FS.

Out of all the places I visited in Yunnan province this was one of my favorites for p4p.

On my first night I arrived late and I went to a fancy hotel with a spa & KTV on 3rd floor. There were about 10 girls to choose from. I picked one for full service, which included a sauna and bath followed by b2b massage, BBBJ and FS. After we finished I slept in the room rather than having to book a separate room in the main hotel.

Total cost 700 RMB.

I stayed at a small local hotel the next night and they offered to arrange lady for me, but I decided to go out and explore myself first. On Mengpeng Lu I found about 10 groups of ladies, ranging from 3 to 12 girls per group and each group with a mamasan. Many of the ladies from tribal minorities as-well-as a number of Han. Girls range from around 18-25 years old and some of them are real lookers.

First I took a tall slim thing with nice long legs, but unfortunately she was a smoker and had tattoos. Even so, we had a passionate session. She seemed to really enjoy being with me (her first foreigner) and took lots of photos of me.

150 RMB plus 20 RMB for the room.

I was planning on going back to my hotel for a massage but as I was walking back along the street I spotted another group of girls and one of them in particular caught my eye. She was a super hot 19 year-old with a really pretty face and a spectacular body. Although I'd only cum about 5 minutes before, I knew I had to have her. She was very reluctant to go with me so I had to negotiate for about 10 minutes using body language and Bing translator to indicate that I have a small dick and would be gentle. Finally she agreed to go. I took her back to the short time hotel and paid another 20 RMB for the room. We messed around for a while and she let me suck her nipples and play with her pussy, but the main event was a bit disappointing, with me doing all the work in missionary. Still I'm glad I had her because she was stunning.

Again 150 RMB for sex.

[QUOTE=FeiGeiWay;1627007]Yunnan is a big fucking place. Why is there only one thread for Kunming? What the other cities? Lijiang? Dali? Xishuangbanna?[/QUOTE]You registered just to post this? Cock.

Take a leaf out of my man Sacasable 's book and get on and write some reports. When you've written enough I'm sure Jackson would happily oblige you with a separate thread.

Cock.

This is an old FR but I joined this site this week so thought of putting this up for friends passing by Kunming.

I had a 8 hour layover and had planned to stay at a hotel near the airport.

After a lot of effort I found my way to the "Airport Hotel". There is a free bus service that will take you there. It is one of the buses dropping the airport staff to various places round the airport.

One of the stops is the Hotel, you should not miss it.

Cost of Room: 500-600 RMB.

The hotel accepts only local Credit Cards and the exchange rate sucks, so better to get your RMB at the airport, even better would be from one of the Bangladeshi guys at the airport offering cheap hotel and free transfer.

You will find a few in the arrival hall.

The hotel has a foot massage parlour at the basement. Went there to figure things out.

Language is again an issue, hand sings worked well, a bit embarrassing with the older masseuse sitting around.

Once we were on the same page I asked to be shown the girl. I was shown 2 options.

It was a bit pricey, around RMB 1000 if I remember correctly.

He asked for the room number and the cash.

I was a little scared but took my chances. Handed the cash and was asked to go to the room.

The girl I picked arrived in my room in 10 minutes in a sexy short dress with a small massage kit.

A super body massage followed by GFE. DFK, BBBJ et all.

Like most WL in China, she was having a good time and totally into it.

She could not speak English but was clearly annoyed when I came.

One hell of a transit experience. Can't wait to go back.

Hi Sacasable.

Thanks for reporting on Jinghong. Found it quite useful.

However the situation. Like other places in China. Has changed for the worst.

The RLD in Menpeng Lu has been totally taken down. There is a massive construction site instead.

Decided that I will try the hotel you were referring to instead. Easy to find just one crossroad further than Menpeng Lu.

When I arrived lights were off and door was locked. Luckily I asked one of the helper if the place was locked and she told me that she will call the manager for me.

Manager shows up and explain that due to the recent crackdown they have keep a super low profile.

Anyway they have 3 girls. All young. No stunner but nice enough to do the job.

Got a 20 yo - 1. 60/45 kgs flat chested sweet heart.

Was her first foreigner but was willing to please. Got b2 b, BJ and FS for cny 500 one shot after negotiation. Regular price is rmb 700.

Left happily relaxed.

Pm me for phone number of manager. Better to speak Fluent Chinese.

J.

[QUOTE=Sacasable;1629046]Out of all the places I visited in Yunnan province this was one of my favorites for p4p.

On my first night I arrived late and I went to a fancy hotel with a spa & KTV on 3rd floor. There were about 10 girls to choose from. I picked one for full service, which included a sauna and bath followed by b2b massage, BBBJ and FS. After we finished I slept in the room rather than having to book a separate room in the main hotel.

Total cost 700 RMB.

I stayed at a small local hotel the next night and they offered to arrange lady for me, but I decided to go out and explore myself first. On Mengpeng Lu I found about 10 groups of ladies, ranging from 3 to 12 girls per group and each group with a mamasan. Many of the ladies from tribal minorities as-well-as a number of Han. Girls range from around 18-25 years old and some of them are real lookers.

First I took a tall slim thing with nice long legs, but unfortunately she was a smoker and had tattoos. Even so, we had a passionate session. She seemed to really enjoy being with me (her first foreigner) and took lots of photos of me.

150 RMB plus 20 RMB for the room.

I was planning on going back to my hotel for a massage but as I was walking back along the street I spotted another group of girls and one of them in particular caught my eye. She was a super hot 19 year-old with a really pretty face and a spectacular body. Although I'd only cum about 5 minutes before, I knew I had to have her. She was very reluctant to go with me so I had to negotiate for about 10 minutes using body language and Bing translator to indicate that I have a small dick and would be gentle. Finally she agreed to go. I took her back to the short time hotel and paid another 20 RMB for the room. We messed around for a while and she let me suck her nipples and play with her pussy, but the main event was a bit disappointing, with me doing all the work in missionary. Still I'm glad I had her because she was stunning.

Again 150 RMB for sex.[/QUOTE]

So I was in Kunming for a couple days last week, and I was looking for some action.

Hoping for a freebie at the clubs, BaBi, Camp David, etc. But the girls there are not like the girls in Beijing at all total prudes, didn't want to dance because their friends were all watching, and WTF is the dance floor so small and up on a platform at all these places? Anyways.

After 3 nights of striking out, I went looking for a couple BBS places I read about, couldn't find anything. Ended up taking a cab and just asking the cab driver where I could get 'tui you'. He started laughing and said he knew a Sauna. Super funny guy, he asked me why all white guys like Chinese girls instead of beautiful Russian blondes.

Anyways, dropped me off at the place. It's in the basement of some building not too far north of Green Lake Park, PM me for the address.

I walk in, get ushered inside with no questions asked. Take my clothes off in a locker room, get handed a key, and walk into a large sauna complete with a large soaking pool and several showers. I kept on trying to ask how much the massage would be, but none of the attendants in the sauna knew. Took a shower, and was brought to one of many private rooms. This place was basically a hotel. Sat down on a bed, a Chinese guy says 900 for the basic room with no shower, or, I think it was 1100 for a room with a shower, can't remember. Anyways managed to book the simple room for 900, after brief misunderstanding that service WAS included, I thought I would have to pay for the service on top of the room. Not the case.

He brings in 5 girls, 4 are 5/6 tops. One is an adorable 8 named Xi Yuan Yuan. From sichuan province. I pick her and we go to her room. We chat in Chinese, turns out I'm her 3rd foreigner. She gives me the option of either 2 pops, or a massage and a pop. I thought massage and a pop included BBBJ to completion, so I went for that. I'm in my 20's, but I popped a v to get my money's worth, and we began.

She lit a towel on my back on fire, which was a first, and made me somewhat nervous, but was kinda cool I guess. Then an average massage, and 2 minutes of the most average BJ of my life. If I go again, def going for the 2 pops. FS started, made me wear a condom, which I was happy to do, as she said she sleeps on average with 5 guys a night when she works. Finished early, laid around and chatted for 20 min, then decided to buy a second pop for 600. Total damage was 1500 if I remember right. Fingered her to cum (probably) FS some more, then let her give me a he. Oh and the condom broke the second time. Which leads me to my second point, if anyone knows a cheap place to get tested for STIs in Beijing, please lemmie know.

Afterwards got her number, and was led down the hall to a TV room where I was given water, a blanket, and a couch with a TV. Watched that one movie with Nic Cage and Sean Connery and the missiles on Alcatraz for a bit and went home.

Hung out with her the next night at Babi with her friends. Her friends don't know her job. She isn't texting me back, but a cute friend of hers is. We'll see what happens.

Overall:

Damage:1500

FS: 7/0

Massage: 5/10

BJ: 3/10

Overall: Expensive, but worth it if you actually want to sit and relax in the hot tubs and have some money to blow.

Hey guys,

I'm an active member from the Colombo Sri Lanka forum. I will be travelling to Kunming for a business matter for 3 days. Will be coming on the 7th and leaving on the 10th. I would like to know a few good places to get girls. Not necessarily have to be pick up bars. Any FS offering place is fine. I'm a bit dark in color and doesn't speak any Chinese. Any help you guys can give me is immensely appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Back in April 2013 I took a stroll around the bar areas for the first time, I believe the name is "xinwen lu". At the south end I noticed that I was waking past a bathhouse, stopped and turned back! The entrance was small, just room for a counter, tv and stairs. The man took me up to a room and asked whether I wanted massage, or (mimed boobies and frottage). Yes, the latter please. I recall the damage was 258.

I was disappointed when a middle aged woman in business attire came in to run the bath but she didn't stay; a gorgeous young lady in hot pants and loose, long hair came in and pushed a trunk between the door and the raised bath area to lock it. Good times. We kind of chatted though I spoke nearly no Chinese. She was from Pu'er, and I tried asking whether all the girls there were as beautiful, though I don't think she understood. I adored her cute, triangular little smile.

The tub was narrower than others but she was gentle with her caresses as she washed my face, hair and everywhere in turn. Then she helped me out and rinsed me off with a shower hose, very very thoroughly and it seemed to last forever. She teased and giggled throughout, then dried me and put me on the bed whilst she peeled off her t-shirt, shorts and bra. It was a beautiful moment and l was like a virgin teenager again, unable to keep my eyes off her or resist wrapping my arms around her and gently stroking her small breasts. She asked "zenmele", what are you doing, but not unkindly, and I let her continue her routine.

She put talc on my back and started rubbing her tits all over me. They were almost too small to feel anything but I was in the moment. When she flipped and started to HJ me she was kneeling by my knees and my fingertips began to wander. She told me "keyi"and pulled her panties aside to let me finger her LS. If only it could have lasted longer, but she was warm and wet and sent me over the edge.

We cleared up and dressed ourselves, and I could have sworn that I spotted the outline of a condom in her back pocket. I wasn't up for FS but my mind span with what might have been! I tried to tip her 100 rmb as we left but she refused.

Outside in the street, a little giddy from the experience I stopped for some street food and whilst it was grilling she walked by, off shift. Probably unreasonably I actually chased after her and invited her to join me. Her polite rejection came with a look that said "of course not! Ah well, better to have loved and lost.

On a return visit a year later that barely merits a write-up I asked after my Pu'er angel but was told she'd gone home. A pity, but good luck to her.

[QUOTE=Sacasable;1628624]I've combined FRs for a few of the towns I visited in Yunnan province. I will upload separate reports for some places where I think a map is helpful. But first some personal observations about mongering in Yunnan province:

Many girls smoke and have tattoos.

A large number of girls I attempted to take were afraid to go with a foreigner this is something I have experienced more in China than anywhere else that I've mongered. I'd say about 30% of the time I got rejected even though I'm not bad looking.

I found larger more popular tourist cities to be rubbish. Maybe if you are well connected is different? I found that when I got off the beaten track a little all the smaller local towns have a healthy sex scene and people are happy to help a man in need.

Mengzi

I only stayed one night here but I think it has lots of potential and would happily go back.

I stayed in a hotel near the bus station; I don't know the name of it because it was in Chinese. I used Bing translator to tell the hotel receptionist that I needed lady. She made a phone call and then I three hot Vietnamese came up to my room; I picked the cutest one and I had a really good service starting with BBBJ followed by a hot session with many positions and kissing.

It cost 200 RMB for one shot.

Chuxiong

Purple Cloud is the English translation of the name of the hotel that I stayed in. With the help of Bing translator the hotel reception was able to call me some girls for me. I saw two girls. Both of them were ethnic minority. The first girl seemed sweet enough but was not that pretty so I asked for another. The second girl was really cute and we had a passionate session.

Damage 150 RMB.

Mengla

About 10 minutes motorbike ride away from the bus station on a main street called Zhangjie Lu there are about 6-8 groups of hookers, each group consists of between 3 6 girls. Most of the girls are from Szechuan province and some of them are very pretty. You can take the girls back to your hotel or use one of the short-time rooms in any of the hotels nearby. The girl I took was cute, but a bit of a starfish.

Cost for ST 150 RMB

Dali

Pounded the streets for hours looking for some action but could find anything suitable. Couldn't find the pink shops mentioned on this thread so either I was looking in the wrong place or they have gone. There are plenty of KTVs outside of the old town where I presume you could easily get a lady, but I guess it would be pricey and going by myself with my non-existent Mandarin didn't appeal.

I didn't stop over at Xiaguan but just from passing through I 'the put money on there being plenty of action available.[/QUOTE]Damn good infos!

Hey there, I'm heading for Kunming tomorrow and was wondering if you knew some FS places / spa.

PM me maybe.

Thanks!

Out**on a midnight ramble in Kunming, I found myself walking west along Renmin Road and crossed over Beijing Road where there is a large Bank of China on the corner. **Only a few doors down I was dazzled by the bright white lights proclaiming "sauna"**(Yes, in characters. Look then up, newbies) and a tell-tale Greco-Roman entryway to the Jiude Palace hotel. **I confirmed with the front desk girls I was indeed looking for a bath, and upon changing my shoes for plastic slippers half the size, I made my merry way up the stairs.

Naturally surprised to see this hulking great waiguoren but still trying to play it cool, the locker boys showed me in and I disrobed, showered and climbed in to the communal pool for a long soak. **As with others there were sub-hotel grade disposable "razors" available with which to chafe one's face and disposable toothbrushes to freshen up. **After my relaxing soak I changed in to the largest pyjamas they had and went upstairs to the common area. **I made my presence known and waited for a man with a walkie talkie to come find me. This being gone midnight most if not all of the**sleeping chairs were taken.

There was a menu of massages all at different prices including spa at 600++ but this is the genuine, flowers and oil option. **There was an unspoken assumption that I was there for FS and the chap was apologetic. He would guide me upstairs but it was late and he had only two girls available, neither good looking. **One was rather fat, he said. **Never one to miss a chance to report, I asked whether this 6 xx massage was only sex, he answered "service",**which seems to include nudity, back rubbing (cat bath?) and intercourse.

I politely declined and stuck to my guns, and. Confirmed I was looking for a massage. **I was shown to a small massage room (3 huge chairs) and brought tea whilst. I waited for a. Lovely young lady in a blue, almost naval uniform**who proceeded to give me a thoroughly pleasant all over massage. **Well, almost all over, but despite everyone else being asleep this was a public room and it didn't feel right to be asking for extras.

I forget how much I paid but I believe the total was around 300. **They were surprised at my departure on the small hours but I had a comfy hotel to get back to. **Didn't experience whether or not food was available.

I am seeing large closed KTVs here. Sad.

I stayed in Lijiang Old Town for a few nights on a package tour. There was nothing to be found in the Old Town, but Bar Street is quite lively and possibly freebies are available there.

One evening my tour had a optional 'Cultural' (AKA Expensive) event. I decided to opt out of this and go for a wander. I left the Old Town by the south west gate and turned right onto Changshui Road then right again into Minzhu road. I saw an unnamed alley on the left, about 200 m from the junction. This led to a network of alleys that connected Changshui Road, Minzhu Road and Jinkai Street. Most were well lit, but some were a bit dark. There were about a dozen girls at various places in these alleys. I found a good looking girl, in her early thirties, who asked for 200 Y for full service. We headed off to her nearby apartment. This was clean, but a bit untidy.

She would not take off her top but said she would for an extra 100 Y. After a bit of good nature haggling, she settled for 250 Y for FS with everything off. We spent quite a long time in foreplay before the main action. After we finished, she was not in any great hurry for me to leave, which is unusual for this type of punt. We spent about 20 minutes chatting and cuddling. It turns out that she been working for a couple of years but had never provided service a foreigner. As we had spent about 45 minutes together, I gave her an extra 50 Y. Unfortunately, I did not get another opportunity to spend time away from my group, but this was a great punt with a lovely girl.

I walked all over Yuer road and checked many small alleys, but I couldn't find any brothels. Probably they are all gone.

I went to the sauna at 风33457;38634;26376;22823;37202;24215; (Regent hotel) and asked them about special, but they said no.

I've found a few groups of street girls around the town. I said Hi to a girl at just outside of the south gate. She said "[blue][Non-English text deleted by Admin][/blue]" (100 rmb).

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Is Kunming completely emptied out? Hard to believe that nothing is going on in a Chinese city.

[QUOTE=CodyGreen;2023136]Is Kunming completely emptied out? Hard to believe that nothing is going on in a Chinese city.[/QUOTE]Right. My impression exactly. But it seems that Kunming has been thoroughly sanitized? Anyone know of anything left? Visited several old haunts, all have become "proper" massage places. How did the government even accomplish this? What happened to the thousands of girls employed? If anyone knows of anything left, or understands how things have become so "clean" so fast. Insights welcome.

Wow, it's been a couple of years since the last post on here.

Kunming seems to have gone through a bit of a purge in the past year. It seems the dance halls have all closed since last December. They were having a bit of trouble at the end of last year & some started keeping their lights on, some were closed for a month then reopened, but all of them seem to be closed for good now. I asked some e-bike drivers outside the old dance halls at and. Railway station & they said the only ones left but they were "Bu Hao Wan" - (no fun!) - for old people who actually wanted to dance.

Many saunas seem to have closed.

Anyone have any good news for this city?

Caigui Health Preservation Institute.

Yongkang Lu 42.

Guan Du District.

From Kunming Train Station, walk north on east (right) side of Beijing Lu three full blocks. Third street is Yong Kang Lu. Turn right. Walk one full block and cross street. Then start looking on left for storefront with grey bricks and glass. That is the place. Go in. On right there is a desk. On left there are a couple of tables. The massage rooms are in the back. You can order tea or coffee from the manager. She speaks a little English. Be discreet. Tell her you want a special body massage from a young girl. Tell her you learned about her place from the internet (shangwang). She will get your meaning and call a nice masseuse for you. You can also ask for massage in your hotel. Tell her which hotel and let her decide if she wishes to send a masseuse to that hotel. They also have a great foot massage here on some days. PM me for details but understand I can only give out so much information even on PM.

Do Chinese service providers look better in China than in Canada and the US.

[QUOTE=SouthGate;2378623]Caigui Health Preservation Institute.

Yongkang Lu 42.

Guan Du District.

From Kunming Train Station, walk north on east (right) side of Beijing Lu three full blocks. Third street is Yong Kang Lu. Turn right. Walk one full block and cross street. Then start looking on left for storefront with grey bricks and glass. That is the place. Go in. On right there is a desk. On left there are a couple of tables. The massage rooms are in the back. You can order tea or coffee from the manager. She speaks a little English. Be discreet. Tell her you want a special body massage from a young girl. Tell her you learned about her place from the internet (shangwang). She will get your meaning and call a nice masseuse for you. You can also ask for massage in your hotel. Tell her which hotel and let her decide if she wishes to send a masseuse to that hotel. They also have a great foot massage here on some days. PM me for details but understand I can only give out so much information even on PM.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the recommendation. I went here and had an OK experience. It was a bit expensive. Was quoted 600 and she dropped quickly to 500. Still seems quite expensive for what was a little rushed and simple QT with 30 year old girl who was sweet but not particularly hot. I probably wouldn't return, but curious about whether I was overcharged and whether they have a selection of girls. I liked that the place was clean, felt safe and it wasn't in some seedy backroom with dirty sheets.

[QUOTE=JacobWinkleton;2387334]Thanks for the recommendation. I went here and had an OK experience. It was a bit expensive. Was quoted 600 and she dropped quickly to 500. Still seems quite expensive for what was a little rushed and simple QT with 30 year old girl who was sweet but not particularly hot. I probably wouldn't return, but curious about whether I was overcharged and whether they have a selection of girls. I liked that the place was clean, felt safe and it wasn't in some seedy backroom with dirty sheets.[/QUOTE]Glad your experience was overall good. The place is clean and safe and presents the opportunity to take a girl to your hotel if the Madame considers the hotel safe. Regarding the negatives, I do not think the price is extremely high. Five years ago, incall places that offered full service cost about 350 - 400. These places generally were not clean and seedy. Now due to crackdowns, risk is higher and prices have gone up. Regarding it being rushed, they can improve on that and I think they will. However the best way to not be rushed is to take the girl to your hotel. Thanks for your report. Please feel free to PM me.

Stayed Kunming at Dongchuan District, a sub-urban area. Saw some cards of prostitutes left carelessly on the road. Couldn't be sure about the quality and safety, didn't knock. I also saw a KTV near my hotel.

It would be advised not to plan on a lay-over or stop-over at Baoshan. 95% of the hotels would not accept anyone without a Chinese ID, therefore all your traveling documents of passport, visa, permit, etc. Would not have any values. The only hotels that could accept foreigners would be six-star or perhaps five-star with all the luxury amenities that you may need at €140-€200 per night, comes with Chinese breakfast buffet. . And there is nothing there for us anyway.

I will have a 12 hour layover at Kunming later this month. Has it gone dry? Any Massage place with FS. Steetwalker? Anyone have any recent info on Kunming mongering scene?