Discrimination against Foreigners in China

I have been coming to China for a long time (7 years now) for business.
I live in a small city near Guangzhou.

I hate to complain about the cheap pussy in China, but it seems so hard to get laid consistently these days near any major city. Hookers want too much money for lousy service and non-working girls are very particular about the guys they screw. Blame it on China getting rich and also too much competition from other foreigners and also Chinese men with few women available to be had for all.

Finding a wife is very similar, very difficult, a passport is not enough to woo one. I'd never thought I would say it, money is not enough to get laid in major cities in China.

China has some real pussy supply problems.

I'm not here to insult you.

Goofy guys like me can get laid and are courted by local gals.

So what's your background? If you want to openly discuss this.

Bill

[QUOTE=Ace of Spades]I have been coming to China for a long time (7 years now) for business.
I live in a small city near Guangzhou.

I hate to complain about the cheap pussy in China, but it seems so hard to get laid consistently these days near any major city. Hookers want too much money for lousy service and non-working girls are very particular about the guys they screw. Blame it on China getting rich and also too much competition from other foreigners and also Chinese men with few women available to be had for all.

Finding a wife is very similar, very difficult, a passport is not enough to woo one. I'd never thought I would say it, money is not enough to get laid in major cities in China.

China has some real pussy supply problems.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bill Lee]
Goofy guys like me can get laid and are courted by local gals.
Bill[/QUOTE]

I'll second this, if Bill Lee can get laid, it should be a piece of cake for the rest of us.

Maybe you got a bad rep there or are to aggressive? Maybe 1 out of every 10 will not want my business because I'm a white guy, but normally it's never a problem, especially with hookers. Freebies are also in abundance, you might have to court them a few times, but after a few dates, it should not be a problem getting in their pants.

-CPE

[QUOTE=Ace of Spades]I have been coming to China for a long time (7 years now) for business.

I live in a small city near Guangzhou.

I hate to complain about the cheap pussy in China, but it seems so hard to get laid consistently these days near any major city. Hookers want too much money for lousy service and non-working girls are very particular about the guys they screw. Blame it on China getting rich and also too much competition from other foreigners and also Chinese men with few women available to be had for all.

Finding a wife is very similar, very difficult, a passport is not enough to woo one. I'd never thought I would say it, money is not enough to get laid in major cities in China.

China has some real pussy supply problems.[/QUOTE]ACE,

China have 1.5 billion people and 60 % are women.

You have been here for over 7 yrears and you still have problem scoring?

If you are a newbie new in China I can understand.

I think the problem is on you my friend .

Fast eddie 48

[QUOTE=Ace of Spades]I hate to complain about the cheap pussy in China, but it seems so hard to get laid consistently these days near any major city.[/QUOTE]

I hate to disagree but China is perhaps the easiest country in the world, especially for non-working girls. Perhaps it is because you live in a small town and am coming into the big cities without establishing any connections first?

I am a 27 year old Black Canadian.

My personality maybe is to blame.

I have been everywhere in China, the story is the same, hard to get laid outside of P4P. It could be my personality or it could be my choice of location. It might easier to get laid in a small town or remote province where there are fewer waiguo ren competitors.

I have had much better luck in the Philippines. Personality does not seem to matter one bit, but in China, personality seems to mean a lot. Freebies are possible there, but based on the expectation of financial support.

A second issue is that in China there seems of hierarchy of potential partners. Black guys do not seem to be at the top of the pile.

The only girls available in China seem to be:

1) Young students
2) Shy, introverted or otherwise insecure women, e.g., 35 year old virgin syndrome.

Any women that are fuckable seem to be already taken by white english teachers, Chinese men or in some cases Black Africans.

[QUOTE=Ace of Spades]In China there seems of hierarchy of potential partners. Black guys do not seem to be at the top of the pile.

The only girls available in China seem to be:

1) Young students.

2) Shy, introverted or otherwise insecure women, e.g., 35 year old virgin syndrome.

Any women that are fuckable seem to be already taken by white english teachers, Chinese men or in some cases Black Africans.[/QUOTE]I am a fat Black American man. Although I do agree with you largely on most of what you say. If you see African men getting laid, then you CAN. What I think it is honestly is that you have too high of a standard of what you want. You want to have the beautiful Chinese girls. That my friend takes time and sometimes a lot of cash. These girls want the white face. We are not well liked here in China, where women will wear "Welder's Mask" Super Long sleeved gloves, a cape with a big floppy hat in 35 Celsius degree weather to avoid getting a little brown. White is it here. You must accept that. So we must make due with the not so pretty ones, but honestly I can tell you after chasing one very pretty Chinese girl, they are not always worth it. Just be happy and cheer up. Girls like the friendly smiling guys, and if you just want to get laid, go with the stereotypes, sing to them. My singing has gotten me more pussy here.

Don't compare yourself to the other teachers. Just be yourself. Trust me on this. If you want to chat more, PM me.

On P4P, I agree with Ace, the bigger the city, the worse it gets, quality vs. price. Beijing is a case in point. Smaller cities vary, and it takes time to find the places that suit you.

Regarding non-pro, I might agree with Exile's comment about "connections," assuming he means that it's difficult if you just show up in a new city as a random stranger. I think the availability of freebies is directly proportional to one's perceived status and stability (as judged from your job, your apartment, your connections, etc.). Lately, as a lone drifter, I scarcely find freebies. Earlier, as a teacher in a well-known university, I did OK. An expat in a foreign company will do even better. Also -- casual affairs may be difficult unless you're willing to try older gals (or so I've found).

There are so many factors. Race, age, and other physical attributes could matter, depending on the girl. I've been turned down for P4P just because I'm a foreigner, but in other cases it has worked in my favor.

I don't know if the above helps. I, too, would like it if I could find freebies whenever I want, like some guys on this forum, and I don't know their situation (status, social connections, or what age/looks of gals they're getting), so I just thought I'd add another perspective based on my own "mixed" results. Good luck, and YMMV.

[QUOTE=Bill Lee]Pretty much that sums it up in China and need I add, in the U.S. as well.

Of course, being a pretty boy anywhere helps alot too.

Chinese men outside Asia are not exactly top of the food chain either for freebies with other gals of different race. Welcome to the club. What comes around goes around. [/QUOTE]
A Chinese guy posted in the Brazil section, saying he was doing OK there because they thought he was Japanese, and they like Japanese for some reason (because they make all the consumer electronics products or something). So sometimes Asian guys outside of Asia find an edge (or maybe he's just "tai shuai").

Within China, I'd agree that rich Chinese (including, maybe even especially, overseas Chinese) are the top of the food chain. White guys seem to benefit from some "sexual mystique," to some extent like black guys in the U.S. Aside from that, the main thing is status (money, job, connections, etc.). Looks count for something, but I just saw a really dorky white guy walking out of a restaurant with a hot looking Chinese chick, so who knows.

As for the U.S., I found that having a good work situation didn't translate into being popular with the girls. That connection seems to be stronger in China.

[QUOTE=Ace of Spades]Any women that are fuckable seem to be already taken by white english teachers, Chinese men or in some cases Black Africans.[/QUOTE]


If you are an English teacher here, then you can score with young students, but tell a top-shelf gal your a teacher and forget about it! All she suddenly thinks is; Poor guy, backpacker, unsuccessful.

Tell top shelf gals your a businessman here and you get far better results (as long as you dress, act and behave like one), but tell a young student your a businessman and forget about it! All they suddenly think is; Has a wife, is a playboy and only wants sex.

I also agree that black men have a far less success ratio compared to white guys here, black guys have much better chances in the PI and Thailand. Chinese feel the whiter the person the more beautiful/handsome one is and the more successful one will be in life.

I think though, that if you have been coming here for 7 years, your Chinese must be good and you must really understand Chinese culture and how things work here, so if you are friendly and outgoing, you should still be able to score.

Good luck,
-CPE

[QUOTE=Night Cat]A Chinese guy posted in the Brazil section, saying he was doing OK there because they thought he was Japanese, and they like Japanese for some reason (because they make all the consumer electronics products or something). So sometimes Asian guys outside of Asia find an edge (or maybe he's just "tai shuai").

Within China, I'd agree that rich Chinese (including, maybe even especially, overseas Chinese) are the top of the food chain. White guys seem to benefit from some "sexual mystique," to some extent like black guys in the U.S. Aside from that, the main thing is status (money, job, connections, etc.). Looks count for something, but I just saw a really dorky white guy walking out of a restaurant with a hot looking Chinese chick, so who knows.

As for the U.S., I found that having a good work situation didn't translate into being popular with the girls. That connection seems to be stronger in China.[/QUOTE]







to Night Cat

If you been to Sao Paulo you should know that there are over one million Japanese in Sao Paulo alone , the largest Japanese population outside of Tokyo,Many are third generation Sao Paulo has a large Japan town.

Japanese and Brazilian mixed woman are some of the hottest in the World,
There is also a Chinatown in Rio, but not as many Chinese as Japanese Brazilans are great people, they love everyone Brazil is a big melting pot.

Fast eddie 48

[QUOTE=CPExpat]I have also been reading on other forums, how many Chinese are upset about protests in other countries about the Olympics in China and Tibet. This could also be their reason to hassle foreigners. Here is one such post:
-CPE[/QUOTE]
Chinese nationalism is at the forefront nowadays - and my take on this - not a minute too soon for some of the things I've seen/heard in the past in China.

- Shit - just another cheap Chinese pussy - dime a dozen.
- I....am....American,....Mei...Guo..Ren...
-You speakeee Engrish?? yesseee??
- Back home, this is the way.....
- You know Green Card? You want Green card?
- To mommie: you tell your gal to.....I give her RMB10 more.
- These Asians with their little dicks........ I'll show 'em how its done.
- Help me out with this ***** - translate for me....
- Why cain;t China be like Thailand/Philippines - at least they speak English..
- Stooopid locals....

and it goes on and on.

Compare this with the new more stringent set up welcoming visitors into Chang Ping getting off the direct train from HKG - x-ray machines, baggage checks etc - and the pretty little custom officer sheepishly and with a sunshine smile asking me to "Please, drink? Drink water? OK?" when she saw the bottle of free water I got on the train. Now imagine what some big burly customs guy in the States, Germany, England - in fact anywhere else in the civilized Western World. what is YOUR take on how they'll bark to you?!

SEAJ

[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]Chinese nationalism is at the forefront nowadays - and my take on this - not a minute too soon for some of the things I've seen/heard in the past in China.

- Shit - just another cheap Chinese pussy - dime a dozen.
- I....am....American,....Mei...Guo..Ren...
-You speakeee Engrish?? yesseee??
- Back home, this is the way.....
- You know Green Card? You want Green card?
- To mommie: you tell your gal to.....I give her RMB10 more.
- These Asians with their little dicks........ I'll show 'em how its done.
- Help me out with this ***** - translate for me....
- Why cain;t China be like Thailand/Philippines - at least they speak English..
- Stooopid locals....

and it goes on and on.

Compare this with the new more stringent set up welcoming visitors into Chang Ping getting off the direct train from HKG - x-ray machines, baggage checks etc - and the pretty little custom officer sheepishly and with a sunshine smile asking me to "Please, drink? Drink water? OK?" when she saw the bottle of free water I got on the train. Now imagine what some big burly customs guy in the States, Germany, England - in fact anywhere else in the civilized Western World. what is YOUR take on how they'll bark to you?!

SEAJ[/QUOTE]

Well, some of the things that you have heard people say may be with merit. Sample situations:

1. You go somewhere to buy some service (say, getting a room in a hotel or buying some simple good) and the person will pretend that he or she does not understand your Chinese-- even though those same phrases have worked for the last 100 times that you've used them. And it's like: What the fuck?

2. You try to approach a motorcycle driver to be taken somewhere and he will act like he does not want to be bothered, or like he is too good to take your money. And it's like "You are here at this point in space time for the purpose of making money. You're shooting yourself in the foot by trying to be snide."

3. There is also the Chinese sense of organization (and I could write a whole book about this). At the school where I was working, you could smell the toilets from a distance of about 20 feet. The classrooms were also numbered in a very inconsistent way (#19 is right next to #2 on the 4th floor but #3 is on the 6th floor-- making it a challenge for you to even have a vague idea where your classes are). There was garbage and spittle all over the floor in the school (from parents and children), but GOD FORBID I throw a tissue out of the window and all hell breaks loose. There is more................A LOT MORE, but that is getting beside the point, which is: You have to conclude that "These guys have been in cities for over 2,300 years (since the first emperor) and THIS is the best they've come up with?"

These things are very small, but they start to add up. For the past several years (going and coming) I've not been able to come to a conclusion of which is more valuable: A Western life (without the benefit of Asian vagina) or a place with abundant Asian Vagina (but all the problems of living in Asia). It seems like the amount of time that you can spend out of a day with your face pressed into Asian vagina is a very small fraction of total hours. But when you are without that wonderful, moist thing, it seems like it's a lot more time than what you realized.

Once again: The fact that you have to deal with Chinese people nursing their wounded sense of superiority (which are what many of these slights really are) DOES start to add up. It doesn't bother me as much as it does some of these other guys, but I can get an idea of where they are coming from when they say it.

The comment about "Just another cheap Chinese pussy" is another one that comes to mind a lot. When I go to BBS to get a woman, they act like they are scared that they are going to die of a rupture if they have sex with me. But it's like: "You do this job all day. Everything that I have to see, you've seen at least once or twice before. WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN AS A RESULT OF THIS SEXUAL ENCOUNTER?" And so, when you get rejected from a BBS or some other place, what else can you say?

As for your other point: I don't know that nationalism would be all that good of an idea for China. Let's not forget that the reason that they fell into the position that they currently are (having a per capita income in the bottom 10% of the world) is that they tried to build a nation off of hubris. And that was a loooooong slooooow decline that could have been reversed at any point over the centuries between the Tang Dynasty and now. But it wasn't. One of the famous quotes of all history was one of the emperors (Qianlong) sneering at a British diplomat's request to secure trading rights by saying something like "These are toys for children and China hasn't the slightest need for your manufacturers!"

Does China really want a revisit of the past? (There may be no other choice given the resolute determination of these guys to live out the conflicts of dead old men century after century.)

There are a WHOLE LOT of things that they are going to have to absorb from the advanced world before they can fulfill their hegemonic ambitions. Would it make sense to say: "We won't learn anything about corporate governance or banking transparency/ norms because those are the ideas of foreign barbarians"? I think we've been here before.

[QUOTE=CPExpat]If you are an English teacher here, then you can score with young students, but tell a top-shelf gal your a teacher and forget about it! All she suddenly thinks is; Poor guy, backpacker, unsuccessful.

Tell top shelf gals your a businessman here and you get far better results (as long as you dress, act and behave like one), but tell a young student your a businessman and forget about it! All they suddenly think is; Has a wife, is a playboy and only wants sex.

I also agree that black men have a far less success ratio compared to white guys here, black guys have much better chances in the PI and Thailand. Chinese feel the whiter the person the more beautiful/handsome one is and the more successful one will be in life.

I think though, that if you have been coming here for 7 years, your Chinese must be good and you must really understand Chinese culture and how things work here, so if you are friendly and outgoing, you should still be able to score.

Good luck,
-CPE[/QUOTE]

1. If you are a teacher, you can score with some of the girls on the campus SOMETIMES, but you should know that your every move is being watched. I've lost two jobs for having sex with people on the campus (WHO WERE NOT MY STUDENTS).

2. Scoring seems to depend very much on WHERE you are. It is much easier in coastal cities than as you get inland.

3. Your comments about the "top-shelf" gals may be right, but vagina is vagina is vagina. So there is no loss from trying to sell yourself in one market vs another. But from what I have seen, there are a lot of white guys here with IQs so low that they could flunk a gender/ blood pressure/ stress test that manage to do just fine. So, I think the qualification might be something more like: If you are a BLACK guy, then forget about selling yourself in the top-shelf market of girls. And that is about right. Ok, fine........... But I see (as a third party) white guys who are KNOWN LOSERS that do just fine with local girls. My ex-boss for one. This guy has fucked up hair and a fucked up beard and still managed to get someone to lay down with him. And he has "sha bi" written all over him.

[QUOTE=Ace of Spades]I have been coming to China for a long time (7 years now) for business.
I live in a small city near Guangzhou.

I hate to complain about the cheap pussy in China, but it seems so hard to get laid consistently these days near any major city. Hookers want too much money for lousy service and non-working girls are very particular about the guys they screw. Blame it on China getting rich and also too much competition from other foreigners and also Chinese men with few women available to be had for all.

Finding a wife is very similar, very difficult, a passport is not enough to woo one. I'd never thought I would say it, money is not enough to get laid in major cities in China.

China has some real pussy supply problems.[/QUOTE]

China now has 300 million middle class people , that still leaves about 1 billion to maybe 1.3 billion people that are not doing well. You can still get more ass in China than a toliet seat in an all girls college, at a good price. You do have to do your homework.

A good idea would be to read and study ISG , but so many guys still want to be baby spoon their pussy. Good luck and read more ISG.

take care and be safe.

tile man

[QUOTE=Clandestine782]Well, some of the things that you have heard people say may be with merit. Sample situations:

There are a WHOLE LOT of things that they are going to have to absorb from the advanced world before they can fulfill their hegemonic ambitions. Would it make sense to say: "We won't learn anything about corporate governance or banking transparency/ norms because those are the ideas of foreign barbarians"? I think we've been here before.[/QUOTE]

There you go again - shooting your mouth off. Last time you surfaced, you were complaining about saving the equivalent of a cup of coffee to get cheap pussy, etc. Then asking about getting a visa for a WG in China to bring home to marry?

Why the fuck don't you just leave China and go back to driving a truck in Texas...you certainly won't be missed!

Go over your notes, little lady. I took a ride to a neighboring town that was about 20 minutes away by motorcycle because overnight there was about 200RMB (as opposed to 300RMB and a lower selection in the city in which I was).

Go over your notes again, little lady. When you drive a truck in the USA, you are most probably going to drive over the lower 48 states. And I did just that.

Go over your notes a THIRD time, little lady. I said that I was interested in the dynamics of marrying and working girl and THEN getting her a visa/ etc.

Regarding the current discussion: I'm not the kind of person to hang out at a neighbor's house and then complain about the bad food, the smell of their house, etc. That's not the way I was brought up.

In China, I am a guest, and I think I should be glad if I can find people who want to be my friend, find a girlfriend, find a job, etc. There are some parts of the world where I could get shot, or get my head cut off, just because of my nationality, or just because I looked at a local girl. In China, there are things that bother me, but they are small things.

SEAJ correctly pointed out how some foreigners in China are ungracious guests. What does that have to do with mongering? It makes it harder for the locals, including service providers, to see us in a positive light. So mongering just gets worse. SEAJ's point is well-taken, we should appreciate our hosts for being as accommodating as they are, which is pretty darn accommodating, by and large.

[QUOTE=CPExpat]I'll second this, if Bill Lee can get laid, it should be a piece of cake for the rest of us.
-CPE[/QUOTE]

Bill gets laid regularly - not because he's chinese or white or black - but because he's a walking atm machine ... LOL

Seriously speaking, regardless of what color you are, if you learn the local language and culture - and after 7 years I hope you have Ace ;) - you should be scoring on a regular basis. Have you talked to your local friends - what do they say about you?

Hey Clandestine:

First thing first is that I do NOT want to start a flaming war or even anything remote to this. In my original post, I had only wanted to give balance to the paranoia surrounding China trying to assert its presence on the world stage. Some of the recent going ons – like those quoted about Foreigners being indiscriminately set upon - is of course very wrong but I would suggest that the very vast majority of Chinese would also know that its wrong.
But some of your statements does merit retort as EITHER you've really had a bad time here and thus have a very wrong impression of what China and The Chinese is all about – or MORE LIKELY, that you've probably been subject to quite a traumatic early life experience. I mean - I've noticed your posts - rants even - about your fellow Americans who are white (not black like yourself) or those who are more economically advantaged than you - which I find a bit disturbing. I have though in the past, figured that it's none of my business. But now you seem to have translated your quite apparent frustration and hatred into slagging China and the Chinese, I do want to – and need to - address you.
[QUOTE=Clandestine782]Well, some of the things that you have heard people say may be with merit. Sample situations:

1. You go somewhere to buy some service (say, getting a room in a hotel or buying some simple good) and the person will pretend that he or she does not understand your Chinese-- even though those same phrases have worked for the last 100 times that you've used them. And it's like: What the fuck?

2. You try to approach a motorcycle driver to be taken somewhere and he will act like he does not want to be bothered, or like he is too good to take your money. And it's like "You are here at this point in space time for the purpose of making money. You're shooting yourself in the foot by trying to be snide."[/QUOTE]
You’ve had to live in a minor cities in Hunan, have been fired twice for inappropriate behavior, have ranted your frustrations with getting Chinese pussy and how you look down on – and had actual bad arguments - with just about everybody you come into contact with – WG’s, Police, Moto drivers, hotels - and the list goes on, even only from your own postings. And YOU’re pointing fingers?
Sorry to characterize you – but you’ve described yourself as being a big, muscular, black, angry loose cannon everywhere you go. Never mind Chinese – I believe that any nationality can spot you a mile away and would want to avoid doing any business or even having anything to do with you. And in the small cities you’ve had to live at in China - coupled with the lousy pay you’re able to scratch out and your announced penchant (or is it economic necessity?) for getting everything cheap – well word gets around fast.
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3. There is also the Chinese sense of organization (and I could write a whole book about this). At the school where I was working, you could smell the toilets from a distance of about 20 feet. The classrooms were also numbered in a very inconsistent way (#19 is right next to #2 on the 4th floor but #3 is on the 6th floor-- making it a challenge for you to even have a vague idea where your classes are). There was garbage and spittle all over the floor in the school (from parents and children), but GOD FORBID I throw a tissue out of the window and all hell breaks loose. There is more................A LOT MORE, but that is getting beside the point, which is: You have to conclude that "These guys have been in cities for over 2,300 years (since the first emperor) and THIS is the best they've come up with?"[/QUOTE]
Economics (and the resultant lower level of education, manner etc) rears its ugly head in many of the poorer places in China – the same as in other parts of the world. It’s a fact of life and the Chinese do their best under the circumstances – even allocating their meager resources to recruit what they believe is a good English Teacher – and in this instance, they’ve been so very unfortunate in having gotten YOU!
Instead of trying to understand it all, you’ve translated your own frustrations and anger into looking down on YOUR HOSTS. Look-it Clandestine, NOBODY is any better than anybody else – not the Chinese, not the Americans NOT ANYBODY – but – and this is a BIG BUT : ONLY you yourself - by your own actions, thoughts, prejudices, chips on your shoulder – have managed to lower yourself.
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These things are very small, but they start to add up. For the past several years (going and coming) I've not been able to come to a conclusion of which is more valuable: A Western life (without the benefit of Asian vagina) or a place with abundant Asian Vagina (but all the problems of living in Asia). It seems like the amount of time that you can spend out of a day with your face pressed into Asian vagina is a very small fraction of total hours. But when you are without that wonderful, moist thing, it seems like it's a lot more time than what you realized.[/QUOTE]
You’ve also written about your frustrations with living in the WEST. East, west, it doesn’t matter – cain’t you see that the problem is NOT others but perhaps…. just possibly… yourself? I’ve got a lot of good friends of all colors – yes, even black – and they all handle themselves well. That’s what is meant by being a member of the human race.
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Once again: The fact that you have to deal with Chinese people nursing their wounded sense of superiority (which are what many of these slights really are) DOES start to add up. It doesn't bother me as much as it does some of these other guys, but I can get an idea of where they are coming from when they say it.[/QUOTE]
“THEIR own wounded sense of superiority” – or is it your sense of inferiority? And you somehow, thinking that since you’re American – that you’re entitled to feel superior? THIS kind of attitude is what really gets to me – and Americans are NOT the only ones who’ve been guilty of such conduct; Plus this kind of mind-set also happens in other “less developed” parts of the world (not only China).
In your case, I detect that you seem to feel that you are entitled to …. Whatever?! But that instead, the Chinese look down on you. Chinese, whites – even blacks - look with disdain ANYBODY who displays ignorance and hang-ups as you have been doing. You want to be treated as a BSD/BFD – well, the fact of the matter is that you certainly have NOT acted in a way that deserve such.
Look-it, let me remind you - as others have been trying to do all along – you are their guests. If you’re gracious, they’ll be gracious – act like an idiot and they’ll pile it back on you in spades!
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The comment about "Just another cheap Chinese pussy" is another one that comes to mind a lot. When I go to BBS to get a woman, they act like they are scared that they are going to die of a rupture if they have sex with me. But it's like: "You do this job all day. Everything that I have to see, you've seen at least once or twice before. WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN AS A RESULT OF THIS SEXUAL ENCOUNTER?" And so, when you get rejected from a BBS or some other place, what else can you say?[/QUOTE]
You’ve described yourself - 6’4” muscular,black with white teeth! Do You remember that Darlie toothpast was branded Darkie and illustrated by a vaudevalian Black guy in top hats just a few years back? That even in Korea, Taiwan and even Japan that Blacks are still looked upon with amusement and humoured derision and.. ??? WTF do you expect in China? Especially when you make yourself a pain in everybody's ass on each and every occasion. Yes, you’ve got a handicap being black in China – but instead of trying your best to overcome your handicap, you’ve turned the blame game totally on those you interact with. Get over it man!
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As for your other point: I don't know that nationalism would be all that good of an idea for China. Let's not forget that the reason that they fell into the position that they currently are (having a per capita income in the bottom 10% of the world) is that they tried to build a nation off of hubris. And that was a loooooong slooooow decline that could have been reversed at any point over the centuries between the Tang Dynasty and now. But it wasn't. One of the famous quotes of all history was one of the emperors (Qianlong) sneering at a British diplomat's request to secure trading rights by saying something like "These are toys for children and China hasn't the slightest need for your manufacturers!"

Does China really want a revisit of the past? (There may be no other choice given the resolute determination of these guys to live out the conflicts of dead old men century after century.)[/QUOTE]
You don’t know that nationalism would be all that good of an idea for China???? Who made you the arbitrer of these kind of things? So what if China did do things wrongly sometime in the past. What is important is that they’ve been doing a helluva lot of things Right during the past 20 or so years. Things that they rightly have the right to be proud of – and things which much of the world acknowledge as being a well earned right.
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There are a WHOLE LOT of things that they are going to have to absorb from the advanced world before they can fulfill their hegemonic ambitions. Would it make sense to say: "We won't learn anything about corporate governance or banking transparency/ norms because those are the ideas of foreign barbarians"? I think we've been here before.[/QUOTE]

Yes, of course there are a lot of things ANY country can learn – but it does not mean that any country or its people is gonna accept the kind of behavior that you have displayed.

Please look at yourself closely. Others have told you to leave China if you hate it so much – but my take on this is a bit different. I believe that no matter where YOU are , that you are just going to be just as angry and frustrated – as you do seem to have a gigantic chip on your shoulders.

Like I said, Peace and salutations

SEAJ

If you feel so "put upon" by the life in China and the problems of being black in China, have you considered a change of venue?
Asia is not the only place where English teachers are needed to help raise the knowledge and level of society.
There are many countries in Africa where they need and appreciate any and all help they can get from the West. Due to rampant corruption, constant wars, an abissmal farming conditions, the people of Africa are in far greater need of educational help than the Chinese.
If you read Gavin Menzies book about China and the year 1421, you will note significant evidence that China was in America long before Columbus. History tells us China was the most advanced civilization on the planet - so maybe they do not really need your help to continue their trip into the 21st century.
To be really appreciated and venerated, you should offer your services to those in greater need.
'bare

[QUOTE=LuvumBare]If you feel so "put upon" by the life in China and the problems of being black in China, have you considered a change of venue?
Asia is not the only place where English teachers are needed to help raise the knowledge and level of society.
There are many countries in Africa where they need and appreciate any and all help they can get from the West. Due to rampant corruption, constant wars, an abissmal farming conditions, the people of Africa are in far greater need of educational help than the Chinese.
If you read Gavin Menzies book about China and the year 1421, you will note significant evidence that China was in America long before Columbus. History tells us China was the most advanced civilization on the planet - so maybe they do not really need your help to continue their trip into the 21st century.
To be really appreciated and venerated, you should offer your services to those in greater need.
'bare[/QUOTE]
was that there are a lot of good things in China, but also quite a few bad ones. And those bad things can add up on any given day.

You also need to note that the issues of being black in China were not started by me here. RTFF.

Ok, so China discovered North America long before Columbus. So now what? China invented gunpowder long before the Europeans did, but they were colonized by Japanese and Europeans and NOT the other way around. North Americans speak English/ Spanish. NOT the other way around.

I get the impression that you are a Chinese born abroad from the way you write. (You really should learn to use your spell check, BTW. The word is "abysmal.") How many times have I heard about the four great inventions (blah blah blah)? You can't build a whole society off of four single inventions. More is necessary.

Something that I've pointed out to some of my students is that:

1. The Europeans had time to fight each other for CENTURIES before snapping back out of it and going through the Enlightenment and the Age of Reason. The most successful physical theories (I use this word grudgingly, but it is technically correct) all have one thing in common: And that is that they weren't invented in China. Quantum Mechanics. General/ Special Relativity. Classical mechanics (and all the math that goes with it.)

2. There are 14 million Jews in the WHOLE WORLD and they have a representation of Nobel Prize winners that is hundreds of times higher than what Chinese people do on a per capita basis. (Jews of any nationality really kick ass in Physics Nobel Prizes. And they have my HIGHEST RESPECT for holding down Israel against about 350 million plus VERY ANGRY Arabs. I've never brought up the obvious parallel that 6 million Israelis can hold off 350 million Arabs but 400 million Chinese could not hold off something like less than 1/5 the same number of Japanese.)

All this to go back to the conclusion that: OK, yes, there were the 4 great inventions. But NOTHING EVER GOT DONE THAT WAS MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT. You can look at the public health crises here (high rates of hepatitis and hospitals full of people getting treated for various trivial infections that could be eliminated with higher basic hygiene standards) and look at ones that have happened centuries ago (notably, the Black Death that wiped out about 90% of Henan Province) and see that not much has been learned in the way of public health between now and then. So now what?

[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]Hey Clandestine:

First thing first is that I do NOT want to start a flaming war or even anything remote to this. In my original post, I had only wanted to give balance to the paranoia surrounding China trying to assert its presence on the world stage. Some of the recent going ons – like those quoted about Foreigners being indiscriminately set upon - is of course very wrong but I would suggest that the very vast majority of Chinese would also know that its wrong.
But some of your statements does merit retort as EITHER you've really had a bad time here and thus have a very wrong impression of what China and The Chinese is all about – or MORE LIKELY, that you've probably been subject to quite a traumatic early life experience. I mean - I've noticed your posts - rants even - about your fellow Americans who are white (not black like yourself) or those who are more economically advantaged than you - which I find a bit disturbing. I have though in the past, figured that it's none of my business. But now you seem to have translated your quite apparent frustration and hatred into slagging China and the Chinese, I do want to – and need to - address you.

You’ve had to live in a minor cities in Hunan, have been fired twice for inappropriate behavior, have ranted your frustrations with getting Chinese pussy and how you look down on – and had actual bad arguments - with just about everybody you come into contact with – WG’s, Police, Moto drivers, hotels - and the list goes on, even only from your own postings. And YOU’re pointing fingers?
Sorry to characterize you – but you’ve described yourself as being a big, muscular, black, angry loose cannon everywhere you go. Never mind Chinese – I believe that any nationality can spot you a mile away and would want to avoid doing any business or even having anything to do with you. And in the small cities you’ve had to live at in China - coupled with the lousy pay you’re able to scratch out and your announced penchant (or is it economic necessity?) for getting everything cheap – well word gets around fast.

Economics (and the resultant lower level of education, manner etc) rears its ugly head in many of the poorer places in China – the same as in other parts of the world. It’s a fact of life and the Chinese do their best under the circumstances – even allocating their meager resources to recruit what they believe is a good English Teacher – and in this instance, they’ve been so very unfortunate in having gotten YOU!
Instead of trying to understand it all, you’ve translated your own frustrations and anger into looking down on YOUR HOSTS. Look-it Clandestine, NOBODY is any better than anybody else – not the Chinese, not the Americans NOT ANYBODY – but – and this is a BIG BUT : ONLY you yourself - by your own actions, thoughts, prejudices, chips on your shoulder – have managed to lower yourself.

You’ve also written about your frustrations with living in the WEST. East, west, it doesn’t matter – cain’t you see that the problem is NOT others but perhaps…. just possibly… yourself? I’ve got a lot of good friends of all colors – yes, even black – and they all handle themselves well. That’s what is meant by being a member of the human race.

“THEIR own wounded sense of superiority” – or is it your sense of inferiority? And you somehow, thinking that since you’re American – that you’re entitled to feel superior? THIS kind of attitude is what really gets to me – and Americans are NOT the only ones who’ve been guilty of such conduct; Plus this kind of mind-set also happens in other “less developed” parts of the world (not only China).
In your case, I detect that you seem to feel that you are entitled to …. Whatever?! But that instead, the Chinese look down on you. Chinese, whites – even blacks - look with disdain ANYBODY who displays ignorance and hang-ups as you have been doing. You want to be treated as a BSD/BFD – well, the fact of the matter is that you certainly have NOT acted in a way that deserve such.
Look-it, let me remind you - as others have been trying to do all along – you are their guests. If you’re gracious, they’ll be gracious – act like an idiot and they’ll pile it back on you in spades!

You’ve described yourself - 6’4” muscular,black with white teeth! Do You remember that Darlie toothpast was branded Darkie and illustrated by a vaudevalian Black guy in top hats just a few years back? That even in Korea, Taiwan and even Japan that Blacks are still looked upon with amusement and humoured derision and.. ??? WTF do you expect in China? Especially when you make yourself a pain in everybody's ass on each and every occasion. Yes, you’ve got a handicap being black in China – but instead of trying your best to overcome your handicap, you’ve turned the blame game totally on those you interact with. Get over it man!

You don’t know that nationalism would be all that good of an idea for China???? Who made you the arbitrer of these kind of things? So what if China did do things wrongly sometime in the past. What is important is that they’ve been doing a helluva lot of things Right during the past 20 or so years. Things that they rightly have the right to be proud of – and things which much of the world acknowledge as being a well earned right.


Yes, of course there are a lot of things ANY country can learn – but it does not mean that any country or its people is gonna accept the kind of behavior that you have displayed.

Please look at yourself closely. Others have told you to leave China if you hate it so much – but my take on this is a bit different. I believe that no matter where YOU are , that you are just going to be just as angry and frustrated – as you do seem to have a gigantic chip on your shoulders.

Like I said, Peace and salutations

SEAJ[/QUOTE]

1. I have not said anything about China's position on the world stage (or, at least I don't remember having said it). But China does have hegemonic ambitions and has had them for a LONG time. It is just that they way that China has colonized other places is NOT the same as the way that various Western countries did. The former would try to OVERWHELM and dilute the local population (witness Xinjiang and Tibet) and the latter would just go there and set up a functioning government that stayed in place long after they left.

2. Stop trying to psychoanalyze me. People get on my fucking nerves getting their psychiatry degrees out of a Cracker Jack box and feeling that they have the obligation to pontificate about everyone's psychological health from then on. Even if I were as sane as Hugo Chavez, my sanity is strictly irrelevant to the validity of my comments.

3. The definition of "inappropriate behavior" was having sex with ANY student on the campus-- never mind if they were one of your own or not (and none of them were). I did not know that the security guard posted near the foreigners houses was to REPORT WHO WAS COMING INTO YOUR HOUSE rather than worry about your safety. So, if having sex with whoever is available is a crime, then I'm guilty.

4. No, my statements about the Chinese "wounded sense of superiority" were accurate-- and have historical reasoning behind them. Your writing makes me believe that you are an Englishman (but it is just a guess), so I will refer you to the very perceptive comments of Margaret Thatcher in "Statecraft." She said *something like*: "The Chinese feel that their culture is inherently superior [true] and are waiting for the time when they may equal or even dominate Western culture." She is a very perceptive woman (her book was BEAUTIFULLY written).

Moreover: If you look back into the post slavery part of American history (Reconstruction), you would see that a lot of the Jim Crow laws were passed by Poor White Trash legislatures (this was dealt with at length in a book "The Strange Career of Jim Crow"). These people were working alongside the blacks as sharecroppers before the Reconstruction but passed laws saying that the black people had to give up their seats on a bus and could not testify against whites (etc) JUST TO MAKE THE POINT THAT: "We may have good and red necks, BUT AT LEAST WE AREN'T BLACK!" And these guys were working in the same fields as the former slaves just a few decades ago. So, you can never estimate how far people will go to make a point that they are better than someone else. (Think about how a lot of people look down on hookers. If a hooker is using her assets to make money, then a girl that is working in a restaurant for 800RMB per month doesn't really have anything to differentiate herself except moral superiority.) NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE LENGTHS TO WHICH PEOPLE WILL GO TO MAINTAIN A SENSE OF SUPERIORITY.

4. How can a person act like an idiot when he merely walks up to a motorcycle driver that is staring into space or reading a newspaper and asks him how much it is between two points? (In Chinese and in a level tone of voice?) How can a person act like an idiot when he enters a BBS and calmly asks about the prices there? How many ways can you fuck something like that up? What the fuck is the point of a BBS papasan or motorcycle taxi driver sneering at you and acting like they are hurting you by denying you a service when you can just take the money elsewhere? Who is the idiot in a case like that? Both parties are at that point in space-time ONLY for the reason of making money.

5. Be careful about talking about China doing a "helluva lot of right things" in the last 20 years. There have been some good things and some bad. But if you'll remember from reading the newspapers through the 80s (and into much of the 90s), Japan thought they were going to take over the world-- and everyone else believed it, too. And then-- *poof*-- it was all over. And it has been going on for about 18 years that they have not gotten themselves out o that mess. If you look at some economic journals (that are not blocked here), you will see that it looks like China is setting up a lot of the very same circumstances for the very same crash to happen. (Asset ratios. Beyond the scope of this brief rebuttal.)

6. Yes, there are many things any country CAN learn, and some JUST DON'T (and there are many reasons why they don't and yet ultimately it's all fortuitous). China is just one of those countries that has been VERY SLOW to learn. (We could talk about the sex imbalance here. Even Africans can figure out that if you want to have a marriage you need at least one male and one female. They can't figure anything else out in the way of governance, but they can figure out that much. People here don't know that if you abort too many females-- or have a sex imbalance because of hepatitis rates [a la Emily Oster], then a lot of young men won't be able to find wives.)

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]There you go again - shooting your mouth off. Last time you surfaced, you were complaining about saving the equivalent of a cup of coffee to get cheap pussy, etc. Then asking about getting a visa for a WG in China to bring home to marry?

Why the fuck don't you just leave China and go back to driving a truck in Texas...you certainly won't be missed![/QUOTE]
Why don't you go back to stuffing bowling pins up your ass and leave the forum to guys who don't want to indulge in your bitchiness? I've made lots of contributions since those years back in Hunan. Slug assed motherfucker (pronounced the black American way).

Hmmm, not quite feeling the love around here. How about putting away the daggers boys.

I'm concerned by the generalizations being made about different ethnic groups (Chinese, Africans, African Americans, White Americans, Eureopans, Jews...did I miss any from the below list?) and feel it is way off topic even for the "General Info" section.

Cland:
As I said - I do NOT want to get into any flaming war. I've said what I wanted to say and you've more than adequately expressed yourself.
Just remember the old adage - in my best southern drawl (I'm ENGLISH??? Yo!!) - Y'all get more bees with hunny....
Chill man, Chill!
SEAJ

[QUOTE=Clandestine782]1. I have not said anything about China's position on the world stage (or, at least I don't remember having said it). But China does have hegemonic ambitions and has had them for a LONG time. It is just that they way that China has colonized other places is NOT the same as the way that various Western countries did. The former would try to OVERWHELM and dilute the local population (witness Xinjiang and Tibet) and the latter would just go there and set up a functioning government that stayed in place long after they left.

2. Stop trying to psychoanalyze me. People get on my fucking nerves getting their psychiatry degrees out of a Cracker Jack box and feeling that they have the obligation to pontificate about everyone's psychological health from then on. Even if I were as sane as Hugo Chavez, my sanity is strictly irrelevant to the validity of my comments.

3. The definition of "inappropriate behavior" was having sex with ANY student on the campus-- never mind if they were one of your own or not (and none of them were). I did not know that the security guard posted near the foreigners houses was to REPORT WHO WAS COMING INTO YOUR HOUSE rather than worry about your safety. So, if having sex with whoever is available is a crime, then I'm guilty.

4. No, my statements about the Chinese "wounded sense of superiority" were accurate-- and have historical reasoning behind them. Your writing makes me believe that you are an Englishman (but it is just a guess), so I will refer you to the very perceptive comments of Margaret Thatcher in "Statecraft." She said *something like*: "The Chinese feel that their culture is inherently superior [true] and are waiting for the time when they may equal or even dominate Western culture." She is a very perceptive woman (her book was BEAUTIFULLY written).

Moreover: If you look back into the post slavery part of American history (Reconstruction), you would see that a lot of the Jim Crow laws were passed by Poor White Trash legislatures (this was dealt with at length in a book "The Strange Career of Jim Crow"). These people were working alongside the blacks as sharecroppers before the Reconstruction but passed laws saying that the black people had to give up their seats on a bus and could not testify against whites (etc) JUST TO MAKE THE POINT THAT: "We may have good and red necks, BUT AT LEAST WE AREN'T BLACK!" And these guys were working in the same fields as the former slaves just a few decades ago. So, you can never estimate how far people will go to make a point that they are better than someone else. (Think about how a lot of people look down on hookers. If a hooker is using her assets to make money, then a girl that is working in a restaurant for 800RMB per month doesn't really have anything to differentiate herself except moral superiority.) NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE LENGTHS TO WHICH PEOPLE WILL GO TO MAINTAIN A SENSE OF SUPERIORITY.

4. How can a person act like an idiot when he merely walks up to a motorcycle driver that is staring into space or reading a newspaper and asks him how much it is between two points? (In Chinese and in a level tone of voice?) How can a person act like an idiot when he enters a BBS and calmly asks about the prices there? How many ways can you fuck something like that up? What the fuck is the point of a BBS papasan or motorcycle taxi driver sneering at you and acting like they are hurting you by denying you a service when you can just take the money elsewhere? Who is the idiot in a case like that? Both parties are at that point in space-time ONLY for the reason of making money.

5. Be careful about talking about China doing a "helluva lot of right things" in the last 20 years. There have been some good things and some bad. But if you'll remember from reading the newspapers through the 80s (and into much of the 90s), Japan thought they were going to take over the world-- and everyone else believed it, too. And then-- *poof*-- it was all over. And it has been going on for about 18 years that they have not gotten themselves out o that mess. If you look at some economic journals (that are not blocked here), you will see that it looks like China is setting up a lot of the very same circumstances for the very same crash to happen. (Asset ratios. Beyond the scope of this brief rebuttal.)

6. Yes, there are many things any country CAN learn, and some JUST DON'T (and there are many reasons why they don't and yet ultimately it's all fortuitous). China is just one of those countries that has been VERY SLOW to learn. (We could talk about the sex imbalance here. Even Africans can figure out that if you want to have a marriage you need at least one male and one female. They can't figure anything else out in the way of governance, but they can figure out that much. People here don't know that if you abort too many females-- or have a sex imbalance because of hepatitis rates [a la Emily Oster], then a lot of young men won't be able to find wives.)[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Furias]Hmmm, not quite feeling the love around here. How about putting away the daggers boys.

I'm concerned by the generalizations being made about different ethnic groups (Chinese, Africans, African Americans, White Americans, Eureopans, Jews...did I miss any from the below list?) and feel it is way off topic even for the "General Info" section.[/QUOTE]

Agreed, but you forgot the Moronicans!

Let's forget about the goddamn political science and psychology.

To quote OAH again, "where the fuck is the pussy at"? We need something we can eat! :D

[QUOTE=Furias]Hmmm, not quite feeling the love around here. How about putting away the daggers boys.

I'm concerned by the generalizations being made about different ethnic groups (Chinese, Africans, African Americans, White Americans, Eureopans, Jews...did I miss any from the below list?) and feel it is way off topic even for the "General Info" section.[/QUOTE]

Just a couple more points:

1. The comments about Jews having a large number of Nobel Prize winners is in fact correct. There is a whole website dedicated to this by a very proud Jew (and they have much to be proud of) that notes all the Nobel Prize winners in different areas. [url]http://www.jewishmag.com/99mag/nobel/nobel.htm[/url]. Those guys have DOZENS of prizes in all the meaty categories (Physics, Chemistry and Medicine).

2. The comments about Chinese Nobel Prize winners were also accurate. I think there is exactly ONE.

3. The comments about Africans not being able to run governments is probably also correct. Find me ONE single black country that is in the top 50% of the world income distribution..... The black people that are still British dependencies (all of the Caribbean countries that are financial centers) are the only ones with good, decent incomes.

But, you are right. It is way off topic.........even for the General Info section. So, I'm willing to drop it (provided no more psychoanalysis comes up).

[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]Hey Clandestine:

First thing first is that I do NOT want to start a flaming war or even anything remote to this. In my original post, I had only wanted to give balance to the paranoia surrounding China trying to assert its presence on the world stage. Some of the recent going ons – like those quoted about Foreigners being indiscriminately set upon. Is of course very wrong but I would suggest that the very vast majority of Chinese would also know that its wrong.

But some of your statements does merit retort as EITHER you've really had a bad time here and thus have a very wrong impression of what China and The Chinese is all about – or MORE LIKELY, that you've probably been subject to quite a traumatic early life experience. I mean. I've noticed your posts. Rants even. About your fellow Americans who are white (not black like yourself) or those who are more economically advantaged than you. Which I find a bit disturbing. I have though in the past, figured that it's none of my business. But now you seem to have translated your quite apparent frustration and hatred into slagging China and the Chinese, I do want to – and need to. Address you.

You’ve had to live in a minor cities in Hunan, have been fired twice for inappropriate behavior, have ranted your frustrations with getting Chinese pussy and how you look down on – and had actual bad arguments. With just about everybody you come into contact with – WG’s, Police, Moto drivers, hotels. And the list goes on, even only from your own postings. And YOU’re pointing fingers?

Sorry to characterize you – but you’ve described yourself as being a big, muscular, black, angry loose cannon everywhere you go. Never mind Chinese – I believe that any nationality can spot you a mile away and would want to avoid doing any business or even having anything to do with you. And in the small cities you’ve had to live at in China. Coupled with the lousy pay you’re able to scratch out and your announced penchant (or is it economic necessity? ) for getting everything cheap – well word gets around fast.

Economics (and the resultant lower level of education, manner etc) rears its ugly head in many of the poorer places in China – the same as in other parts of the world. It’s a fact of life and the Chinese do their best under the circumstances – even allocating their meager resources to recruit what they believe is a good English Teacher – and in this instance, they’ve been so very unfortunate in having gotten YOU!

Instead of trying to understand it all, you’ve translated your own frustrations and anger into looking down on YOUR HOSTS. Look-it Clandestine, NOBODY is any better than anybody else – not the Chinese, not the Americans NOT ANYBODY – but – and this is a BIG BUT: ONLY you yourself. By your own actions, thoughts, prejudices, chips on your shoulder – have managed to lower yourself.

You’ve also written about your frustrations with living in the WEST. East, west, it doesn’t matter – cain’t you see that the problem is NOT others but perhaps. Just possibly. Yourself? I’ve got a lot of good friends of all colors – yes, even black – and they all handle themselves well. That’s what is meant by being a member of the human race.

"THEIR own wounded sense of superiority" – or is it your sense of inferiority? And you somehow, thinking that since you’re American – that you’re entitled to feel superior? THIS kind of attitude is what really gets to me – and Americans are NOT the only ones who’ve been guilty of such conduct; Plus this kind of mind-set also happens in other "less developed" parts of the world (not only China).

In your case, I detect that you seem to feel that you are entitled to. Whatever? ! But that instead, the Chinese look down on you. Chinese, whites – even blacks. Look with disdain ANYBODY who displays ignorance and hang-ups as you have been doing. You want to be treated as a BSD/BFD – well, the fact of the matter is that you certainly have NOT acted in a way that deserve such.

Look-it, let me remind you. As others have been trying to do all along – you are their guests. If you’re gracious, they’ll be gracious – act like an idiot and they’ll pile it back on you in spades!

You’ve described yourself. 6’4" muscular, black with white teeth! Do You remember that Darlie toothpast was branded Darkie and illustrated by a vaudevalian Black guy in top hats just a few years back? That even in Korea, Taiwan and even Japan that Blacks are still looked upon with amusement and humoured derision and? WTF do you expect in China? Especially when you make yourself a pain in everybody's ass on each and every occasion. Yes, you’ve got a handicap being black in China – but instead of trying your best to overcome your handicap, you’ve turned the blame game totally on those you interact with. Get over it man!

You don’t know that nationalism would be all that good of an idea for China? Who made you the arbitrer of these kind of things? So what if China did do things wrongly sometime in the past. What is important is that they’ve been doing a helluva lot of things Right during the past 20 or so years. Things that they rightly have the right to be proud of – and things which much of the world acknowledge as being a well earned right.

Yes, of course there are a lot of things ANY country can learn – but it does not mean that any country or its people is gonna accept the kind of behavior that you have displayed.

Please look at yourself closely. Others have told you to leave China if you hate it so much – but my take on this is a bit different. I believe that no matter where YOU are, that you are just going to be just as angry and frustrated – as you do seem to have a gigantic chip on your shoulders.

Like I said, Peace and salutations

SEAJ[/QUOTE]SEAJ

As a Black American I understand his frustrations of living here in China. I do not know this man and I do not know you. But I do know of some of the things that he has gone through. Some can endure it.

I have heard Chinese refer to Blacks as animals and not human. We are pointed out and laughed at by the poorest of the Chinese here. I have been told that I am not American and that there are no Blacks in America by a guy wearing a Kobe Bryant T-Shirt no less!

You will never know what this man is going through. Yet you make these comments about what he is feeling. I have had women jump up and scream and run down the street in fear, when all I have done is walk past them. Not once, but several times. In Nanchang, Suzhou and Jinan women have walked up to me and started to rub my skin as if I was dirty. No Hello, or anything. People try to touch my hair, here whites are welcome, you hear comments about about how white the skin is and is it full of admiration. When I walked in Xi Tou this old woman was saying to the others his skin is so dark, but his teeth are so white! I am a big guy as well. You can definitely see me coming.

I know that ignorance is ignorance, but you will never know this. I'm not complaining. You should know the problems that face people. I never say that you should do this or do that. All I know is that you talked about peace, but you were just so very opinionated in your comments. Remember when you point a finger, you have three coming back at you. How perfect are you? You have never had problems here? If you haven't great and I'm happy for you. There have been plenty of things that have happened to me, why? Don't know. I tell you this, when I had my white friends come back or they realized that I was with them, things changed right away.

Racism is everywhere. Sorry to say it and how a person handles it is very different. I have taught at a University and the similar thing happened to me, although I didn't get fired. Some poor guard starts to harass this woman who makes 5 times his salary and NOT A STUDENT for coming over to my home on campus. Guess what another teacher, white, comes through with A STUDENT on his arm and nothing happens to him. What do you say about this?

I could go on and on. Things happen here, not right or wrong, but they do happen. Let's not make reckless comments about people that we may not understand or the situations they may have gone through.

Let's talk about having some fun with Chinese women.

[QUOTE=BossLove72]SEAJ

As a Black American I understand his frustrations of living here in China. I do not know this man and I do not know you. But I do know of some of the things that he has gone through. Some can endure it.

I have heard Chinese refer to Blacks as animals and not human. We are pointed out and laughed at by the poorest of the Chinese here. I have been told that I am not American and that there are no Blacks in America by a guy wearing a Kobe Bryant T-Shirt no less!

You will never know what this man is going through. Yet you make these comments about what he is feeling. I have had women jump up and scream and run down the street in fear, when all I have done is walk past them. Not once, but several times. In Nanchang, Suzhou and Jinan women have walked up to me and started to rub my skin as if I was dirty. No Hello, or anything. People try to touch my hair, here whites are welcome, you hear comments about about how white the skin is and is it full of admiration. When I walked in Xi Tou this old woman was saying to the others his skin is so dark, but his teeth are so white! I am a big guy as well. You can definitely see me coming.

I know that ignorance is ignorance, but you will never know this. I'm not complaining. You should know the problems that face people. I never say that you should do this or do that. All I know is that you talked about peace, but you were just so very opinionated in your comments. Remember when you point a finger, you have three coming back at you. How perfect are you? You have never had problems here? If you haven't great and I'm happy for you. There have been plenty of things that have happened to me, why? Don't know. I tell you this, when I had my white friends come back or they realized that I was with them, things changed right away.

Racism is everywhere. Sorry to say it and how a person handles it is very different. I have taught at a University and the similar thing happened to me, although I didn't get fired. Some poor guard starts to harass this woman who makes 5 times his salary and NOT A STUDENT for coming over to my home on campus. Guess what another teacher, white, comes through with A STUDENT on his arm and nothing happens to him. What do you say about this?

I could go on and on. Things happen here, not right or wrong, but they do happen. Let's not make reckless comments about people that we may not understand or the situations they may have gone through.

Let's talk about having some fun with Chinese women.[/QUOTE]

There are two issues here. Ignorance and discrimination. There is a lot of ignorance about non Chinese. I am white and get stared at or stopped for pictures regularly. The further you are from international cities the more ignorant people are - even in big cities.
Discrimination is a different thing. I am all for equal opportunities but when it comes to sex we all discriminate. I don't do fat girls. I like chinese girls. This is discrimination. Too bad for fat girls but this is my right. Some girls have no interest in sex with black guys, it's their right. Some Chinese girls don't like Chinese guys also. Nothing wrong with that. Maybe China is not a good place for a black guy to get a lot of pussy. If it is so important to you, find a country where they have the opposite view. Don't blame the Chinese.

[QUOTE=BossLove72]SEAJ
As a Black American I understand his frustrations of living here in China. I do not know this man and I do not know you.

I have heard Chinese refer to Blacks as animals and not human.

I know that ignorance is ignorance, but you will never know this.

Racism is everywhere.

Let's talk about having some fun with Chinese women.[/QUOTE]

BossLove72

Just for the record since I [i]initiated[/i] this last round of posts:

1. We agree that racism exists everywhere. Whether you are black, yellow or even white (did I miss a color?), Asians will have their particularly perspectives toward each group. Chinese are no worse or better in their attitude or treatment than Thais, Japanese, Koreans, etc.. There might be degrees of differences but when you're at the receiving end, I do agree it really doesn't matter.

2. Clandestine has a chip on his shoulder. The fact that he is black is irrelevant - if a 6'2 white hulk was trolling in the rain in some chinese village for pussy - i can assure you they'd get the same treatment. And if one reads his posts in their entirety - not just a few - whether you're black, white or asian (like me), you'll agree that he is a racist.

IMHO

[QUOTE=Loveasiangirls]There are two issues here. Ignorance and discrimination. There is a lot of ignorance about non Chinese. I am white and get stared at or stopped for pictures regularly. The further you are from international cities the more ignorant people are - even in big cities.

Discrimination is a different thing. I am all for equal opportunities but when it comes to sex we all discriminate. I don't do fat girls. I like chinese girls. This is discrimination. Too bad for fat girls but this is my right. Some girls have no interest in sex with black guys, it's their right. Some Chinese girls don't like Chinese guys also. Nothing wrong with that. Maybe China is not a good place for a black guy to get a lot of pussy. If it is so important to you, find a country where they have the opposite view. Don't blame the Chinese.[/QUOTE]No problem if a Chinese girl doesn't wish to have sex with me. The problem comes WHEN SHE DOES and then we get people trying to prevent her from seeing me. College educated grown women being stopped and then convinced not to go with me. What is that?

We all have choices. You don't do fat girls, great and I understand. When you do find one you do want and she wants to do you, but you not allowed, is not discrimination. This is not talking about choice. So when you start getting cock blocked, you'll just pack up and leave. I get so tired of people just stating that you should leave. Some girls don't like white guys either are you crying about that? I don't think so, neither am I. If you wish to over simplify this, feel free to do so. It is not just ignorance and discrimination it is also racism, no matter how you try to paint it. Just be honest about it.

You can't call a black guy racist. A person in an oppressed group by definition can't be racist. Who is he going to be racist against??? Is he going to deny white people a mortgage because they're white? Are black guys working in big companies creating an "invisible" ceiling for white guys? Does the black bus driver demand white guys to sit on the back of the bus? Do black guys go out and form a lynching party because some white dude looked at his wife funny? Did the government ever let hundreds of white guys with syphilis go untreated so they could study its long term effects? This last thing ended in 1972, and only because of some whistle-blower. If not for him, it might still be going on.

All you white guys who think you know anything about racism... you don't know jack and you don't have the right to call a person in an oppressed minority a racist. Sure some of you guys might have run into a little bit here in China, but that's NOTHING compared to what a typical black man goes through living ANYWHERE. Honestly, when was the last time a white guy got pulled over by a cop just for driving a Benz.....

BTW, as anybody who has met me can easily attest, I'm not black, but I know the score concerning blacks in the world and it's not good. Blacks, especially in the US, have been getting a raw deal for centuries. White folks think everythings ok nowadays in the 21st century, but they haven't got a clue. Sure things have gotten a little better in the last 40 years since the death of MLK, but not by much and no where near as much as white folks like to believe. Blacks are still getting the shaft, but white folks don't want to admit it. All they basically want to say is, "but isn't it better now than back when you were slaves?" The reality is... not by much.

Nobody has the right to tell a black man his anger at the world is unjustified.

[QUOTE=BossLove72]It is not just ignorance and discrimination it is also racism, no matter how you try to paint it. Just be honest about it.[/QUOTE]

In Saudi Arabia they used strict"adultery" and some other religious law that a girl cant be alone with a non-related male to keep guys in line from getting Vagina action in that country.The penalty of getting caught range from gruesome beheading to castration lead monger to stay clear of SA and go to a less restrictive country looking for local girls for carnal release.

Envy of another monger success and a sense of entilement (sp??) lead to a whole lots of this and that because each society had its own colorful drama ready to be play out on the next visitor arrival.

... as racism is really too vaste to be discussed in our forum, and surely it will be endless quarrel driving to nothing.
Also, it will distract our energies from our hobby.

Now, just to answer to Santa's question.
I have never been asked to blow by a BBS girl (and most likely I wouldn't have done). However, I have been asked to lick & blow by a semi-pro girl.

In other regions of the world I have been asked to lick & blow by pros.


[QUOTE=Santa]I had a bbs girl today who politely ask me to kiss her pussy. Well, of course I did. Then she asked me to blow her. Well, don't you know I did. I'm sometimes the willing gentleman, but I have never before had a bbs girl ASK me. Have any of you guys experienced this "request" before?

Famous quote: When Adam delved and Eve span, who was then the gentleman?[/QUOTE]

I have been reading your postings all week, I think you should just chill out a bit. I feel that you are just trying too hard to get laid in China. Fifteen years ago when I started coming over here, I was like a kid in a candy store. Everything was new to me. I wanted it every day while I was here. I have had my share of rejections from normal gals.

Don't get me wrong, I still want it but now being more relax and chill I get more than my share of freebies from normal office gals, some great MILFs' (yes they do exist in China, many Chinese businessmen work 24/7 and leaves their wives alone and horny) and a mommy in the trade that has been hunting me down when she knows that I am in town for meetings. I really get more than my share. I even have two that loves taking me out to nice restaurant on their husbands' amx. No, I'm not a gigolo but knows how to work them and touch the right buttons on them.

Now after fifteen plus years of coming to China I'm much more relax. I very rarely go out looking for pus$y and have more freebies coming to me. I gather if you are more relax maybe the girls can sense that. Give them a chance to open up. If they see you being an aggressor maybe that will scare them away from you. No normal girl wants to see a guy goes hunting for them. Let them be curious about you. Think about it. Please do not think that everyone is out to get you due to racial differences.

This is not to flame you but maybe a word of wisdom to just chill out. Try it maybe you will get a change of luck in your life. This is just my point of view. I really do feel that race/colour has anything to do with it. You may use it to your advantage, just think about it. Plan the hunt before going on the hunt and you will bag some serious results.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]BossLove72

2. Clandestine has a chip on his shoulder. The fact that he is black is irrelevant - if a 6'2 white hulk was trolling in the rain in some chinese village for pussy - i can assure you they'd get the same treatment. And if one reads his posts in their entirety - not just a few - whether you're black, white or asian (like me), you'll agree that he is a racist.

IMHO[/QUOTE]Traveler,

And what´s your body height?

[QUOTE=Andy 8]In Saudi Arabia they used strict"adultery" and some other religious law that a girl cant be alone with a non-related male to keep guys in line from getting Vagina action in that country.The penalty of getting caught range from gruesome beheading to castration lead monger to stay clear of SA and go to a less restrictive country looking for local girls for carnal release.

Envy of another monger success and a sense of entilement (sp??) lead to a whole lots of this and that because each society had its own colorful drama ready to be play out on the next visitor arrival.[/QUOTE]This reminds me of the public castration video somebody emailed me once. Steer clear indeed.

[QUOTE=Moody]You can't call a black guy racist. ... Who is he going to be racist against??? [/QUOTE]Against other black people, especially. As is happening right now in South Africa, as in dozens of other places in Africa where black behave towards black people (from other tribes) in horrible, genocidal ways. Of course you're not allowed to call that racism, you call it "problems caused by poverty" (the poverty being, of course, ultimately caused by whites). This being said, this may not be the place to wage such a debate.

It is ridiculous to say that one group can not be racist against another group. The hatred of the "other" is unfortunately part of the human condition. It is actually racist in and of itself, to claim that one group (the "victims") cannot be guilty of racism (against the "oppressors"). Please.

Clandestine, who identifies himself as black, also mentions the terrible tribal oppression that has held many African countries back, and led to incredible cruelty, hatred, and slaughter. Is he also racist? Is the fact that we are here extolling the joys and wonder of sex with Chinese women a form of (positive) racism?

Who cares? Let's focus on the purpose of this forum.

Cheers, Phenyl

[QUOTE=XXL]Against other black people, especially. As is happening right now in South Africa, as in dozens of other places in Africa where black behave towards black people (from other tribes) in horrible, genocidal ways. Of course you're not allowed to call that racism, you call it "problems caused by poverty" (the poverty being, of course, ultimately caused by whites). This being said, this may not be the place to wage such a debate.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XXL]Against other black people, especially. As is happening right now in South Africa, as in dozens of other places in Africa where black behave towards black people (from other tribes) in horrible, genocidal ways. Of course you're not allowed to call that racism, you call it "problems caused by poverty" (the poverty being, of course, ultimately caused by whites). This being said, this may not be the place to wage such a debate.[/QUOTE]

Not only in Africa. Example: Haiti some two hundred years ago. Killed not only Whites, but also Coloreds who weren't black enough. As well as destroying mechanical devlices which reminded them of the French. The richest jewel in the French colonial empire became a perpetual basket case. A similar thing happened in a forsaken area of Brazil.

Of course the example of the Americans clearing the continent of native Americans is the great achievement of modern times. The Japanese admired this, and hoped to emulate it with the Chinese. (This is documented to a degree in "Total Empire" or some such title.) Sounds a bit far fetched, but Japanese thinkers point out 100 million Japanese could effect the replacement of 400 million Chinese within a century. They further documented large scale experiments indicating the propensity of the Chinese for race suicide through their unique greed for luxuries, sex and drugs. Much of this is safely preserved in American archives..

[QUOTE=XXL]Against other black people, especially. As is happening right now in South Africa, as in dozens of other places in Africa where black behave towards black people (from other tribes) in horrible, genocidal ways. Of course you're not allowed to call that racism, you call it "problems caused by poverty" (the poverty being, of course, ultimately caused by whites). This being said, this may not be the place to wage such a debate.[/QUOTE]

First of all, in my previous post, I was obviously talking about African-Americans when I said "Blacks." Africans growing up in some parts of Africa in the 20th century suffered a different kind of racism commonly referred to as Apartheid, which is a bit different, but every bit as evil if not more so.

Africans against Africans though is not racism. The primary motive in the killings are either political or cultural. For example, what's happening in Zimbabwe right now is all politically motivated, there's no race factor involved. As soon as you switch political alliances and join Mugabe, the Mugabe backers don't bother you.

What's going on in South Africa is nationalism, not racism. South Africans don't want the Zim refugees coming over and taking their jobs and taking advantage of their social systems. This is similar to the immigration reform demands by the right wing in the US, but obviously much more extreme.

What's happening in Darfur/Sudan does have some racial motivations, but the primary reason for the conflict is religion. Sudan is dominated by Sudanese Arabs, both politically and demographically. Sudanese Arabs though, don't look like your typical Arab, they're black. The non-Muslims in Sudan think they're getting a raw deal from the Muslims and they fighting.

Blacks can't be racist to other blacks, even in Africa. It makes no sense really if you think about it. Are whites racist to other whites? Do white Britons discriminate against white French because of their skin color?? Obviously not. Japanese don't discriminate against Koreans because they're light skinned Asian, they do it because they're not Japanese, which is a political and cultural description.

Racism means discrimination and exploitation on the basis of race, which basically falls into 3 major groups; caucasians, asians, and blacks. Sure there are a lot of subgroups, but the level of discrimination between the subgroups is usually very small compared to what goes on in the major groups, especially between blacks and whites.

[QUOTE=Clean Gene]
Of course the example of the Americans clearing the continent of native Americans is the great achievement of modern times. [/QUOTE]

You do realize that by making this statement, you are tacitly giving your approval to what was basically genocide.... Did you think the Final Solution was cool too?

I'm often discriminated against by Chinese girls, because they say my dick is to big.

-CPE

[QUOTE=Moody]You do realize that by making this statement, you are tacitly giving your approval to what was basically genocide.... Did you think the Final Solution was cool too?[/QUOTE]

I should say, "Achievement making the present American world dominance possible".

Of course a great present strength of America is its acceptance of cutural and racial diversity.

Clandestine points out that the "Chinese" have incorporated Eastern China through Mongrelization and Aculturation. This can be seen within our own time with the Cantonese (they called themselves "Hongyin" meaning "Men of Tang" and had antipathy for "Northerners" meaning outsider Chinese; today they feel themselves bonafide "Han"). The Chinese tolerance for a multi-ethnic society is a positive for their country. John K. Fairbank, a Chinese scholar and a Montana boy, asserts that the Chinese have traditionally used peaceful means to incorporate recalcitrant ethnicities.

[QUOTE=CPExpat]I'm often discriminated against by Chinese girls, because they say my dick is to big.
-CPE[/QUOTE]


I’ve only really noticed this with WGs, it always seems strange to me that free kine that often don’t have many past lovers seldom complain about my average size,
Yet WGs that see more than plenty dicks often tell me I’m hurting her. `Hmmm…

I remember talking with a guy from South Africa once, he’s now a U.S. citizen, I guess he’s an African American now, a white bloke wit one proper British accent. We were in Hawaii at the time, two white guys discussing how being such a minority there, often discriminated against by the locals cause of our white skin must feel similar to being black in other places.

Clean Gene,

I'm sure you're a better person than to believe genocide is cool. I apologize if my reply to you came off a bit rude.

-M

This whole thread about "Discrimination against Foreigners in China" is moronic. If anybody has reason to complain about discrimination on a worldwide scale, then it's the Chinese. For all intents and purposes, Chinese are not welcome in the rest of the world, are a prisoner in their own country. For a Chinese, getting a visa to Europe or the US turns into an exercise of Escape From Alcatraz proportions.

In front of this backdrop, complaining about discrimination against foreigners in China is idiotic.

Some pointers:

- If you are a black person, and your want to see your sexual market value skyrocket, go to Japan.

- If you are a foreigner of any race, and you want to experience open, unadulterated, shameless discrimination, go to Japan.

- The theory that black people hold an exclusive license of being discriminated against is pure bunk. Racism is a worldwide phenomenon, nobody holds a patent on it.

[quote=bosslove72]seaj

as a black american i understand his frustrations of living here in china. but i do know of some of the things that he has gone through. some can endure it.
i have heard chinese refer to blacks as animals and not human. we are pointed out and laughed at by the poorest of the chinese here.
you will never know what this man is going through. yet you make these comments about what he is feeling. i have had women jump up and scream and run down the street in fear............., you can definitely see me coming.[/quote]
bosslove - racism/bigotry is all over the world and not confined to china - and its target is as wide ranging as there are differences in people - black, white, yellow, old, young, rich, poor, christian, muslim, jew, handicapped, fat thin etc etc - and even though i am not black - i've had to also endure extreme bigotry in my life - the same as just about everybody. yes discrimination against blacks is one of the most prevalent and most apparent - but it does not give you, clandestine - or anybody else - the only license to be exempted from such bigotry.
as i said, i've experienced extreme, audacious and even institutionalized bigotry in my own life - i.e. being made to get off any vehicle i and others of my 'type' was on at the sound of a random siren - and forced to sweep the streets; women folks of my type being gang raped – not for sexual gratification, but to show their superiority, friends who i thought were good friends turning to type and calling me names - just because others in the group started doing it; etc etc.
and yes, i’ve experienced racism/bigotry in just about every part of the world – so perhaps you’ve erred in your judgment of who or what i am?!
the true measure of a man comes out by how he handles himself when confronted by bigotry/racism/ discrimination - and that is what i was pointing out to our compatriot (ok ok, i don't know how else to address him - hell he's a compatriot seeking sex ain't he??!!) clandestine; not with anger, not with harsh retort and certainly not with the attitude/actions that clandestine had written about on these boards. have you read what all he’s written in the past??
[quote]i know that ignorance is ignorance, but you will never know this. i'm not complaining. you should know the problems that face people. i never say that you should do this or do that. all i know is that you talked about peace, but you were just so very opinionated in your comments. remember when you point a finger, you have three coming back at you. how perfect are you? you have never had problems here? if you haven't great and i'm happy for you. there have been plenty of things that have happened to me, why? don't know. i tell you this, when i had my white friends come back or they realized that i was with them, things changed right away.[/quote}
if…………..you truly do know that ignorance is ignorance, then why would you take it so much to heart? opinionated – yes i am opinionated, but who amongst us that at least have half a brain is not? that is what makes the world go round.
and as for you not knowing why things have happened to you – well only you and yourself can and should know – it always takes two to tango.
that is what i was pointing out – that any confrontation, any interchange – whether harsh or not – can only happen when both parties act and re-act. in clandestine’s case – as per his postings – the blame always falls on the other party, never on him. look-it, ignorance is everywhere – and perhaps more so here as china has only had a bit more than a quarter century to catch up with the rest of the world – but instead of recognizing that it is pure ignorance that drives some chinese to act the way that they do, clandestine (and perhaps you?), gets down to the same low level of ignorance and battle ignorance with ignorance.
[quote]
racism is everywhere. sorry to say it and how a person handles it is very different.. what do you say about this?
i could go on and on. things happen here, not right or wrong, but they do happen. let's not make reckless comments about people that we may not understand or the situations they may have gone through.
let's talk about having some fun with chinese women.[/quote]
racism is everywhere – and it is how one handles it that makes all the difference. that is what i said. and if you read down, all this discussion started with my take on the emerging sense of nationalism in china – and not with race. like i said, i’ve endured quite a lot of personal tragedies and extreme cases with bigotry/racism being the primary cause and as such, i believe that i am as ‘non-bigoted’ as is possible. opinionated i am but nobody can accuse me of being racist.
being in the majority of a “race, type, religion etc etc” should not bring any sense of entitlement or privileges – but the reverse is equally true. just because you are black or catholic or poor or fat does not mean that you are entitled to being singled out for any kind of privileged treatment etc. if you act like an idiot you are going to be treated like an idiot…..with exceptions being when ignorance rears its ugly head…. which is when you should walk away with the full knowledge that the other party is the idiot.

you and clandestine are not deserving of some of the treatment you’ve received in china – ok, great, fine, but the fact of the matter is, ignorance does prevail in many places. it’s how you handle it, think about it, react to it – that is what makes the difference. and as i had posted before, clandestine has written about all the problems he’s had in china and at home, with different kinds, race, type of people and in different situations. psychoanalyze him? no, just stating facts as he himself had written.
in other words – chill first before reacting. chill first.
and yes, lets have fun with the gals!

peace
seaj

[QUOTE=Zhuren]This whole thread about "Discrimination against Foreigners in China" is moronic. If anybody has reason to complain about discrimination on a worldwide scale, then it's the Chinese.
In front of this backdrop, complaining about discrimination against foreigners in China is idiotic.

, shameless discrimination, go to Japan.

- The theory that black people hold an exclusive license of being discriminated against is pure bunk. Racism is a worldwide phenomenon, nobody holds a patent on it.[/QUOTE]
Hear Hear!!
Good one Zhuren - you've managed to distill all that I as trying to say into a few pertinent words. Good!!
SEAJ

Ps. I for one do NOT want to get into any more discussion about race etc. as it cannot ever be resolved. And if you look at the racism thread in Thailand...welll..... it does NOT end!! so please... Peace and Out!

I'm overseas born chinese, who speak chinese well enough to pass as a local. When telling some of the locals i've encountered here that i'm a foreigner, a few interesting reactions have been observed:

1) (If it's a familiar sounding country to them) Eyes go *bling $_$* and, "Really? The money there much be worth much more than the RMB right?"

2) (if it doesnt sound familiar) "I've never heard of that place... are you sure you're not lying?"

3) "Hey, you should take me to a holiday there!"

4) "It's nice to have been/seen a lot of places/countries. I've only been in xxxx xxxx."

5) *bling $_$* "You must be a businessman, doing a lot of business here right?"

6) *bling $_$* "You must be really rich to be able to travel to so many places."

I dont doubt looking like a chinese in china is a good thing.


For those brothers of other colour who has encountered racism/discrimination and such, i apologize. Maybe it's the lack of education or it's the ignorance or discrimination or all combined. Even personally (and as someone well educated), i would be awkward in the beginning if i befriended someone of a different race for the first time, eg: like the first time i had a white guy as a friend.

I've never had a black friend before, and i can honestly say that in the beginning i'll most probably still be awkward, because of all the social and racial differences and the difference in the way both of us are raised.

Also, to be 100% honest, sometimes the behavior of some the locals make me sick too. Eg: tonnes of times in dg i've had people obviously and rudely jump queue my in KFCs and McDs, and ignoring me as if i dont exist when i'm saying they should queue up. Stuff that makes me want to punch them in the back of their head, etc. However, the same problem never happened to me in Beijing. Also dont get me started on some of the very dumb and obviously unqualified and un-roadworthy drivers here...

Back when i was in Beijing studying chinese, there's quite a large foreign and black population there (wu dao kou - student district), and the locals there seemed rather accept things are they are. Stuff that i've read from "That's Beijing" from 1 journalist (who happens to be black and living there) mentioned that he never failed to get free pussy from the clubs there, and he's enjoying every minute of his stay there.

Back to the topic that racism is everywhere. Even my mom who is supposedly a rather successful modern business-woman type of person is very openly discriminatory against race and social status. There's no doubt in my mind that she thinks that her "kind" is the best, and even though she doesnt live in china nor holds the nationality, she's damned proud of the country. I've even talked to her about her racism problem... something which she doesnt even see as a problem in the first place.

So, whatever you're saying Clandestine 782 and BossLove72 with regards to china and the uglier side here, i can sort of emphatize with the two of you. Also, being a big fan of history and not so much a big fan of nationalism, I can also understand some of the negative comments about china here. But there's good and the bad. Not trying to defend china, but every country has their ups and downs. As prejudiced i was towards china, after living here for a while and going back to my home country and comparing the two... i'd have to say even though china has it's flaws (some huge), it's still a remarkable place with remarkable development, compared to my home country which i previously thought was the best place in the world.

Lets all try put ourselves at other people's shoes and be as understanding as possible. Dont say that they're idiots or something just because they said something disagreeable. Poeple must have a reason for saying whatever they did, and we have no idea how it is because we don't experience it the same way as they did.

BossLove,

Well there is some truth that china has certain racism within their culture. I mean you are right they do prefer white or more fair skinned beauty. But i think part of it is just the less weternization that it's received over the years.

I mean for example, in japan 35 years ago, no japanese women would like to be with an african american. BUT, look at it now, African americans are the real deal there now. tons of girls want to be with blacks. They also like blacks because of the concept or thinking they they've got the biggest penis as well. In addition, they like the style of african americans too....it's even cool to be with someone black in Japan.

But it's just a different culture, Chinese girls in general don't like big penis, but japanese girls do. So...it's just a matter of preference and culture i think.

As China becomes more exposed and embrace more western culture they will think more openly about race and culture. Just as the japanese have within these past 35 years.

But every country has every country's flaws. But overall, china is great!

AsnDragon

[QUOTE=BossLove72]I am a fat Black American man. Although I do agree with you largely on most of what you say. If you see African men getting laid, then you CAN. What I think it is honestly is that you have too high of a standard of what you want. You want to have the beautiful Chinese girls. That my friend takes time and sometimes a lot of cash. These girls want the white face. We are not well liked here in China, where women will wear "Welder's Mask" Super Long sleeved gloves, a cape with a big floppy hat in 35 Celsius degree weather to avoid getting a little brown. White is it here. You must accept that. So we must make due with the not so pretty ones, but honestly I can tell you after chasing one very pretty Chinese girl, they are not always worth it. Just be happy and cheer up. Girls like the friendly smiling guys, and if you just want to get laid, go with the stereotypes, sing to them. My singing has gotten me more pussy here.

Don't compare yourself to the other teachers. Just be yourself. Trust me on this. If you want to chat more, PM me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AsnDragon]BossLove,

Well there is some truth that china has certain racism within their culture. I mean you are right they do prefer white or more fair skinned beauty. But i think part of it is just the less weternization that it's received over the years.

I mean for example, in japan 35 years ago, no japanese women would like to be with an african american. BUT, look at it now, African americans are the real deal there now. tons of girls want to be with blacks. They also like blacks because of the concept or thinking they they've got the biggest penis as well. In addition, they like the style of african americans too....it's even cool to be with someone black in Japan.

But it's just a different culture, Chinese girls in general don't like big penis, but japanese girls do. So...it's just a matter of preference and culture i think.

As China becomes more exposed and embrace more western culture they will think more openly about race and culture. Just as the japanese have within these past 35 years.

But every country has every country's flaws. But overall, china is great!

AsnDragon[/QUOTE]What you say about Japan is oh ever so true! In the Ginza district I kept getting grabbed by all these Japanese women. I would live there forever, if I just could afford it! Plus I think a fast albeit very satisfying death. However, Chinese girls are changing rather quickly. I don't have a problem, if the girl doesn't like me, that's cool. It when the girl DOES LIKE me, but gets talked about by everyone else around her and convinced not to go with me, even they don't even know what we are planning to do. There are many Chinese girls who want to have the big one. Right now, I'm with a virginal girl and she doesn't know if it is big or not. I have plenty here, it just the whole treatment that you can get at time.

BTW I do know that there are racist things that happen to all types of people. I just know that some Chinese have this false sense of superiority at times. Doesn't matter to me in any way. I like China too, but at times when you have people looking down on clearly based on your skin color, it gets to be too much. The other day I was getting a foot massage, legit, and the girl starts asking me a million questions. I've been here for over a year now and gotten down some decent Chinese, so now I know that it is mostly ignorance. Still if you are not in the right frame of mind...

[QUOTE=Zhuren]This whole thread about "Discrimination against Foreigners in China" is moronic. If anybody has reason to complain about discrimination on a worldwide scale, then it's the Chinese. For all intents and purposes, Chinese are not welcome in the rest of the world, are a prisoner in their own country. For a Chinese, getting a visa to Europe or the US turns into an exercise of Escape From Alcatraz proportions.

- The theory that black people hold an exclusive license of being discriminated against is pure bunk. Racism is a worldwide phenomenon, nobody holds a patent on it.[/QUOTE]

Well said. Being black doesn't give you a license to be any more of an asshole than a non-black.

Clandestine is a racist, not because he is black or because chinese p4p refused him service - but because he has a chip on his shoulder. Anyone that has read his posts on non-China forums will see he has the same attitude in other Asian countries.

[QUOTE=Zhuren]This whole thread about "Discrimination against Foreigners in China" is moronic. If anybody has reason to complain about discrimination on a worldwide scale, then it's the Chinese. For all intents and purposes, Chinese are not welcome in the rest of the world, are a prisoner in their own country. For a Chinese, getting a visa to Europe or the US turns into an exercise of Escape From Alcatraz proportions.

- If you are a black person, and your want to see your sexual market value skyrocket, go to Japan.

- If you are a foreigner of any race, and you want to experience open, unadulterated, shameless discrimination, go to Japan.

- The theory that black people hold an exclusive license of being discriminated against is pure bunk. Racism is a worldwide phenomenon, nobody holds a patent on it.[/QUOTE]Over ten years ago sitting at an expat club in Singapore, my friend turn to me and said that he was trying to do business with this Chinese business group. He felt discriminated because he was a "gwei lo". They would smile and have drinks but it was rather difficult to break into their inner circle of exclusive "asian-Chinese" group. I turn and said now you know how I feel (as an ABC) when attending some of these "ole white boys" club in wall street trying to beak into their club. Bottom line, discrimination is not center on one race, it is world wide. Yes, I do admit certain ethnicity have it better or worse than others, but this stupid way of thinking still exist in the world some people will smile to your face but in their heart will not want you to join their group. I hope that they are able to find this racist gene and exterminate it.

I remember reading an article about David Duke (of Louisiana) the Grand Dragon of the KKK in Louisiana, before the senate election, pollster predict that he will lose by a landslide. Do you know what happened when people went to vote in the private voting booth? He won the Louisiana Senate by a Landslide. Yes. It was not even a close race. He won by a landslide. Check it out. I hope that this not happen to us again.

The whole idea of white folks accusing a black man of being racist is absurd. I agree, being black doesn't give a person a license to be an asshole. That said though, a black person can't be a racist. Again, I ask, how is he going to express his racism??? Is he going to stop white high school graduates from applying to the University of Missouri?

There has never been a white Medger Evers. A man whose white killer was finally brought to justice in 1992. 1992!!!!!!!!! 1992 because a white jury in the '60's would never convict a white man of killing a black man. Ask yourself, why did it take 30 years for this man to be brought to trial again. I'll tell you why, its because his victim was black. Should a black man be outraged at something like this? Of course he should. Does he have the right to have a chip on his shoulder the the injustices the world perpetrates on the black man? Of course he does.

When I was younger, I used to think Al Sharpton and Louis Farrakhan were nothing more than troublemakers trying to tell the world everything was about race when it clearly wasn't. Then I saw what happened to Yusef Hawkins, a boy little younger than me at the time. He was killed by a group of white kids because he was black and he was in their neighborhood. A few more incidents like Amadou Diallo, Sean Bell, and the mother of them all, Rodney King. I then realized, Al's right. For blacks, everything is about race.

BTW, what Clandestine suffers in China isn't racism. There's no ingrained institutionalized desire to keep the black man down in China like in the USA. Chinese haven't had enough exposure to blacks to do that. There never has been and never will exist Jim Crow in China.

What he's suffering from is basically negative (or positive depending on how you look at it) stereotyping about black men having big cocks. In the same vein, thinking blacks have rhythm and can play basketball is the same thing, simple stereotyping. It only becomes racism when you take something of his because he's black. For example, a security guard following the black guy in a department store takes his dignity. A cop who pulls him over because he's driving a Benz is taking his sense of worth. A college that denies an equally qualifed black man takes his right to an education. A jury that refuses to convict a white man of murdering a black man literally takes the man's life.

in the history of the modern world, whites really have not experienced racism. Whites think it racism when a black guy picks another black guy for his basketball team. Whites think Affirmative Action is racism, which is funny as hell. How can a law passed by a white majority against whites be racist? It's whites against whites. Of course whites couldn't have that kind of thing go on forever, so they repealed it.

Show me a historical equivalent of Apartheid against white people, or even Jim Crow. Show me an instance where a non-white corporation was allowed to run an entire country made up of a different race like what happened in India. A corporation!!! Show me a country where white people were bought and sold as property. Show me an instance where an indigenous group of white people were brought ot near extinction by another race like the Native Americans.

Blacks don't live in the same world as whites. They live in a world where the vast majority of the world views them as inferior, and they have to suffer indignities unknown to the white man. What white man has ever been shot 60 times because cops thought a wallet was a gun? In the back of his mind, a black man has to constantly worry about crap like that. There's a phrase that's occassionally thrown around when talking about the black experience, "existential angst." If a black man is angry about the way the world treats him, you know what? He has every right.

[QUOTE=Moody]Show me a country where white people were bought and sold as property.[/QUOTE]Pretty common in the Roman Empire. That one may have been a cultural import from Greece though. Medieval fiefdom came pretty close too.

Anything else to add to your tunnel view?

[QUOTE=Moody]The whole idea of white folks accusing a black man of being racist is absurd. I agree, being black doesn't give a person a license to be an asshole. That said though, a black person can't be a racist.
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Moody

I've got a great deal of respect for your contributions to this forum. But your perspective on this subject is just plain wrong.

1. You start each post with: 'whites can't accuse blacks of being racist" - this thread is about racism in China, so the issue is whether Chinese are racist?

2. At least we agree that being black doesn't give you a license to have a chip on your shoulder.

3. And I still don't understand your logic that blacks' can't be racist?

IMHO

Perhaps he is referring to the concept of racism in the U.S.
Since whites are the dominant group, if whites dislike blacks due to color, blacks get poorer education, jobs, benefits, etc. Many aspects of every day life for many blacks are affected: that is seen as institutionalized racism.
However, if blacks, as the non-dominant group, dislike whites due to color, whites feel uncomfortable when surrounded by blacks and every now and then a white gets mugged, but most aspects of every day life for most whites are unaffected, since blacks aren't in power positions. That is seen as individuals disliking other individuals.
In this model, blacks in the U.S. can't be racist, since they aren't a power group in a position to be racist.
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]
3. And I still don't understand your logic that blacks' can't be racist?
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[QUOTE=Andreas Wang]Pretty common in the Roman Empire. That one may have been a cultural import from Greece though. Medieval fiefdom came pretty close too.

Anything else to add to your tunnel view?[/QUOTE]

In the paragraph before the one you quoted, I said "modern times" whick usually refers to the post Renaissance period more or less starting around the Age of Exploration.. That said, slavery and peasant fiefdom/serfdom in those instances are not racism since typically, both the oppressors and victims were white.

[QUOTE=Crazy Jim Wood]Perhaps he is referring to the concept of racism in the U.S.
Since whites are the dominant group, if whites dislike blacks due to color, blacks get poorer education, jobs, benefits, etc. Many aspects of every day life for many blacks are affected: that is seen as institutionalized racism.
However, if blacks, as the non-dominant group, dislike whites due to color, whites feel uncomfortable when surrounded by blacks and every now and then a white gets mugged, but most aspects of every day life for most whites are unaffected, since blacks aren't in power positions. That is seen as individuals disliking other individuals.
In this model, blacks in the U.S. can't be racist, since they aren't a power group in a position to be racist.[/QUOTE]

That last sentence is right on the mark. As I kept saying, how are blacks going to be racist against whites? They're not in a position to exploit or oppress white people.

Also, I'm not just talking about the US. Colonialism in Africa and Asia pretty much assured that whites oppressed other races all over the world.

White people like to point out things like Japanese colonialism to say there are other racist groups. How does that work???? If you take a Chinese man and teach him to speak perfect Japanese and dress him up in Japanese clothes, he's indistinguishable from a Japanese man. Japanese sense of superiority over Chinese was never about race. It was about culture and heritage.

If Steven Biko dressed learned perfect white Afrikaans and dressed in a business suit, would he have ever been mistaken for a white Afrikaner??? I think not..... Apartheid was ALWAYS about race. The laws in SA were rigged to keep the black man down. And the real kicker, the part that makes you wanna laugh until you cry at the tragedy of it all? Whites were the minority in that country.

By the way, I presume you guys all know why Hong Kong was a British colony for 100 years. If not, google the Opium War. People say a war fought over oil is immoral. How about one fought so you can keep selling opium to the Chinese? How obscene is that?

Racism is all about power and keeping another race down. It's not about a black guy not being able to get laid in China. It's about a black guy who has grown up being told over and over by his dad and his grandpa that whites have been abusing them for as long as they can remember and it ain't never gonna change.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Moody

I've got a great deal of respect for your contributions to this forum. But your perspective on this subject is just plain wrong.

1. You start each post with: 'whites can't accuse blacks of being racist" - this thread is about racism in China, so the issue is whether Chinese are racist?

2. At least we agree that being black doesn't give you a license to have a chip on your shoulder.

3. And I still don't understand your logic that blacks' can't be racist?

IMHO[/QUOTE]

Blacks can't be racist because they are not in a position of power against whites. The closest thing I can come up with is what happened in Zimbabwe around 2000 when blacks were told to take lands owned by white people. Of couse at this point in the history of Zimbabwe/Rhodesia the 1% of whites in that country owned 70% of the good land which was forcefully taken from blacks in the early part of the 20th century. Those whites experienced some of the racism that blacks have been experiencing for centuries.

That was my last post in this thread. I know some of you think my views on race are either nonsense or too radical. I'm fully aware most people don't like to read about unpleasant parts of their history, and that most don't even know who Steven Biko or Medger Evers even are let alone Yusef Hawkins. The only thing that matters to me is that the history is not forgotten.

Everybody has their racial preferences. I prefer the companionship of white and asian westerners. I prefer having fun with chinese girls. Does this mean I have my racial preferences? Yes!

There are also racial and social groups that I avoid. Does that mean I discriminate against racial groups? Am I biased? Yes! Obviously, in my eyes, some groups are preferable to others.

So, should I be defined as a racist? Maybe yes.

From my experience, black americans usually prefer the company of other black americans, irish australians usually prefer the company of other irish australians, and iranians prefer the company of other iranians, etc. So, they are no different from me.

Some say "birds of a feather flock together", and some might add "birds of a feather SHOULD flock together".

I'm not ashamed of what I just wrote, because I think "discriminating" is perfectly natural and everybody does it.

But, it becomes a problem when we wish others harm.

[QUOTE=Zhuren]This whole thread about "Discrimination against Foreigners in China" is moronic. If anybody has reason to complain about discrimination on a worldwide scale, then it's the Chinese. For all intents and purposes, Chinese are not welcome in the rest of the world, are a prisoner in their own country. For a Chinese, getting a visa to Europe or the US turns into an exercise of Escape From Alcatraz proportions.

In front of this backdrop, complaining about discrimination against foreigners in China is idiotic.

Some pointers:

- If you are a black person, and your want to see your sexual market value skyrocket, go to Japan.

- If you are a foreigner of any race, and you want to experience open, unadulterated, shameless discrimination, go to Japan.

- The theory that black people hold an exclusive license of being discriminated against is pure bunk. Racism is a worldwide phenomenon, nobody holds a patent on it.[/QUOTE]
Chinese people are not welcome in many places in the world because they have some VERY BAD HABITS.

1. Trying to extend China into their host country. People don't take it very well when you come to their country and then disrespect the local culture.

Chinese people have been very unpopular in Indonesia and Malaysia because of their thinking that they are better than the local people (there have been riots in both places directly linked to that).

2. Criminal element. On one hand, I know that stupid assed black people in the United States are guilty of stealing 75 cent candy bars and anything else that is not nailed down (trust me, I know this from working at a service station during my college years). But if you added up every evaded tax dollar or every instance of immigration fraud/ copyright fraud, black people (for all of their pilfering) would steal some small fraction on a per-capita basis and probably about the same amount in dollar terms (even when the cost of housing inmates is added).

When I went to the US embassy to get some paperwork done, I talked to a guy there (he worked in the embassy but was on his lunch break and we met there) that said that people had had nervous breakdowns doing that job because of all the fraud that they had to deal with. Recently, I was reading a newspaper article that said that the Embassy had cracked down on immigration fraud. (And usually if something is going on somewhere, the US government is the last one to know about it.) But there were enough cass of immigration fraud committed for EVEN THEM to actually figure it out and press charges.

3. Asian women are the greatest thing ever to come as a result of evolution. But when I am in China, I respect the people and local culture and don't try to extend black America into China. But even for all my efforts and showing that I am sensitive to the local culture, sometimes it does not work-- and I get those negative experiences. I have gone all kinds of other places and been well received (even to an Orthodox Jewish synagogue), so I do have some idea of how to act......

[QUOTE=Moody]That last sentence is right on the mark. As I kept saying, how are blacks going to be racist against whites? They're not in a position to exploit or oppress white people.

Also, I'm not just talking about the US. Colonialism in Africa and Asia pretty much assured that whites oppressed other races all over the world.

White people like to point out things like Japanese colonialism to say there are other racist groups. How does that work???? If you take a Chinese man and teach him to speak perfect Japanese and dress him up in Japanese clothes, he's indistinguishable from a Japanese man. Japanese sense of superiority over Chinese was never about race. It was about culture and heritage.

If Steven Biko dressed learned perfect white Afrikaans and dressed in a business suit, would he have ever been mistaken for a white Afrikaner??? I think not..... Apartheid was ALWAYS about race. The laws in SA were rigged to keep the black man down. And the real kicker, the part that makes you wanna laugh until you cry at the tragedy of it all? Whites were the minority in that country.

By the way, I presume you guys all know why Hong Kong was a British colony for 100 years. If not, google the Opium War. People say a war fought over oil is immoral. How about one fought so you can keep selling opium to the Chinese? How obscene is that?

Racism is all about power and keeping another race down. It's not about a black guy not being able to get laid in China. It's about a black guy who has grown up being told over and over by his dad and his grandpa that whites have been abusing them for as long as they can remember and it ain't never gonna change.[/QUOTE]We have heard this old hat before (black people can't be racist because they don't have the power to oppress anyone). It's bullshit when people in academia repeat it the same way it is bullshit in this forum. Black Africans have ruined their governments (and almost everything that they touch) ALL BY THEMSELVES. Think about it: Imagine that you are out on a run one night and a person comes up to you with a knife. Do you have time to sort out the REASONS that he might not be good for you to be around? So, by extension, when you see black people ruin EVERY SINGLE government that they EVER put their hands on, can you see why a lot of white people might want separation from them? Does it matter what the reasons are that they ruined this or that or that crime is sky high wherever they are? Or is it more like most people can see blackness as an reliable indicator of some type of problem and just go the other way when they see it?

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]ACE,

China have 1.5 billion people and 60 % are women.

You have been here for over 7 yrears and you still have problem scoring?

If you are a newbie new in China I can understand.

I think the problem is on you my friend .

Fast eddie 48[/QUOTE]

Go over your notes. China has 1.350 billion people. And in the age ranges of, say,. 15-25, the sex ratio is definitely over 120males:100 females.

So, it may not just be Ace. There are simply not enough women to go around even for Chinese men-- and the government knows this very well, as well as local Chinese men AND WOMEN. And since Asian women are such a wonderful thing, they know that they are in high demand wherever they go.

[QUOTE=Moody]You do realize that by making this statement, you are tacitly giving your approval to what was basically genocide.... Did you think the Final Solution was cool too?[/QUOTE]The disappearance of Native Americans from the American continent was because of two reasons:

1. Disease (it was enough for the first settlers to BREATHE on the local people here in America and they would die-- much the same way that a lot of Europeans who went to Africa died before getting 100 miles into the continent because of the host of varied and exotic diseases present in Africa);

2. When a culture that is less advanced (technologically) comes into contact with one that is more advanced and they don't change their ways, quite a few of them will be extinct. If you look at Jews all over the world, they are very tenacious and have survived for a LONG time because they made survival and education a point. When the West came to China to try to secure trading rights, they refused to realize that someone was more advanced than they were-- and they suffered at the hands of the Japanese, who DID realize that others might be more advanced than they.

Moody, your eloquent explanation of racism is just an opinionated point of view. Wikepedia's definition of racism has the following:

Racism, by its simplest definition, is discrimination based on racial group. People with racist beliefs might hate certain groups of people according to their race, or in the case of institutional racism, certain racial groups may be denied rights or benefits. Racism typically starts with the assumption that there are taxonomic differences between different groups of people. According to the United Nations conventions, there is no distinction between the term racial discrimination and ethnic discrimination.

There's no, "BTW, black people can't be included." When being a racist was brought up on this thread, it was a reference to this member who has a great big chip on his shoulder.

Here's a frustrated black who's snide remarks and comments are noted to contain hints of racism but you overlooked that. You generalized and stereotyped him into a broader category which he does not fit in.

Racism is not always open and in most cases are casual and hidden in how people treat other people or how they remark about other people.

This is not the first time that he has been accused of being a racist. Read one of his earliest post where he remarks at [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/[/url] showpost.php?p=490454&postcount=35, " (They're a funny race, these Chinese, thinking that all foreigners are oblivious to their surroundings.)."

Or how this posts at [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.in...&postcount=1526[/url]

Maybe a lot of black people don't smell too fresh, but not this one. I am AMERICAN and we learned about deodorant long ago, so the girls had no reason to be afraid of me on that front.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.in...&postcount=1523[/url]

What is the moral of this story?
1. At rock bottom prices, the girls are likely to be so far away from the city center that they have never seen a foreigner in all of their life. They might also be afraid that they might get ruptured from having sex with a black man. (Chinese men must have REALLY little dicks like I've heard so often from Western women.)

I mean if I made a remark like, "They're a funny race, these blacks, thinking that all Chinese are oblivious to their surroundings," would it be okay here? That's not a racist remark?

WTF does being "American" have to do with personal hygiene. I know a lot of people who bathe often and still smell like a skunk. Is nationality a requirement for personal hygiene? Geez, one would think that if I said, I'm a math genius cause I am Chinese would be a righteous statement.

Yes, Chinese men do have "REALLY little dicks" like I heard so often from Western women too. I have also heard that black people have rhythm, like watermelons, tap dance like a mother fucker, loves them chicken, rob your ass from behind, etc.... So these must be facts that I can casually bring up anywhere since I heard them from these "Western" people.

And here, he openly admits that he quoted a racist's book for the fact in backing up a small and big penis theory: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/[/url] forum/showpost.php?p=582341&postcount=894

Or how about his recent comments about Nobel peace winners, being mostly Jewish people and only one Chinese. What's the point of that? What's the point of bringing this up other than trying to say that one race is better than the other? Should I then compare how many black tap dancers there are versus Chinese tap dancers and agree that blacks are better?

Or when he said how the Jews managed to defend themselves against immense odds and the Chinese being overran by a smaller country? Well try fucking with China now. It's all about the weaponry and not about the size of the defeated countries.

When the last time you heard some African country invaded Europe? Useless comparisons to bring up I must say.

He brings up one sided information to enforce his one sided view. I can bring statistics like how many blacks are in prisons in the United States versus how many Asians are in the same prison. Should I then say that blacks are prone to commit crime? Is that a fair statement to make anywhere?

Here's a black guy who doesn't even like black pussy: "It happens that I have a visceral disgust toward black women and am trying to see if I can get into them a little more." - [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=535688&postcount=762[/url]

Another case in point about his attitude towards marriage with a Chinese woman [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=589482&postcount=817:[/url]

...She is not the best looking girl-- and I didn't mind this, since: 1) As I age, looks are less important; 2) Asian girls are SO popular in the United States that if she stayed at home while I was driving, I'd have to worry about her in bed with the neighbor. (Truck drivers seem to just accept this as a fact of life-- that their wives could be fucking their best friend at any time and often say that they call when they are away from home to give the other party time to get out of bed and cleaned up.)

Who marries someone because her race is "popular"?

You may think that this guy is well-educated but all he has proven is that he's a frustrated truck driver back in the states and the only job he can get in China is being a teacher and trying to fuck students. Read his past posts how he's so pissed off that he's cock-blocked at the university he teaches.

Here we are talking about one individual who has in the past resorts to name calling other members when defending himself, made snide remarks about the Chinese and produced statements that are one sided to say the least.

He certainly has issues, being a black man and not liking the opposite sex of his own kind and quotes a racist's book for his facts.

These are the facts - see the links and read his posts.

Remember all these worldly facts you people have brought up has nothing to do with his racist comments on the board.

Bill

Bill Lee - wow, what a great compilation. It shows this guy's true color (excuse the pun).

Here's one you missed: [i]You have to understand that Chinese men are willing/ obligated to pay a lot more than Western men for sex (and this is because always and everywhere there are Chinese people, there is a shortage of women--owing to sex-selective abortions and hepatitis), and so they drive up the price.[/i]. For you senior mongers and resident China experts - when was the last time a local paid more than a western in China...LOL

It also shows his total ignorance, even though he tries to sound intelligent ;)

Btw
Full post here: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=581376&postcount=880[/url]


PS - sorry, missed another one of his words of wisdom: [i]3. Asian women are the greatest thing ever to come as a result of evolution [/i] - now can someone tell me wtf this means - especially when you add this sentence to the one above, eg shortage of women..?

[QUOTE=Clandestine782]We have heard this old hat before (black people can't be racist because they don't have the power to oppress anyone). It's bullshit when people in academia repeat it the same way it is bullshit in this forum. Black Africans have ruined their governments (and almost everything that they touch) ALL BY THEMSELVES. Think about it: Imagine that you are out on a run one night and a person comes up to you with a knife. Do you have time to sort out the REASONS that he might not be good for you to be around? So, by extension, when you see black people ruin EVERY SINGLE government that they EVER put their hands on, can you see why a lot of white people might want separation from them? Does it matter what the reasons are that they ruined this or that or that crime is sky high wherever they are? Or is it more like most people can see blackness as an reliable indicator of some type of problem and just go the other way when they see it?[/QUOTE]

Haha....now can you imagine a black man as President of the USA with a white woman as his VP??? I bet there are a lot of people shitting in their pants right now.

-CPE

[QUOTE=Bill Lee]Here we are talking about one individual who has in the past resorts to name calling other members when defending himself, made snide remarks about the Chinese and produced statements that are one sided to say the least.

He certainly has issues, being a black man and not liking the opposite sex of his own kind and quotes a racist's book for his facts.

These are the facts - see the links and read his posts.

Remember all these worldly facts has nothing to do with his racist comments on the board.

Bill[/QUOTE]

Sorry guys - I said I was going to not write any more on this topic of racism etc as it can never be resolved.

But Bill has highlighted what I - and others I believe - were trying to say.
It is NOT racism per se, rather it is one particular individual who has a problem handling day to day matters - albeit that he is black.

This whole racism in China topic actually started with the topic of growing (and some times unwanted/feared by foreigners/foreign powers) nationalism in China and my reminder that perhaps some visitors to China ARE guilty of insensitive behaviour whilst in China.

What Clandestine actually writes himself highlight this.

But still, Peace and salutations to one and all here!!

SEAJ

[QUOTE=Clandestine782]The disappearance of Native Americans from the American continent was because of two reasons:

1. Disease (it was enough for the first settlers to BREATHE on the local people here in America and they would die--................[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Clandestine782]We have heard this old hat before (black people can't be racist because they don't have the power to oppress anyone). It's bullshit [/QUOTE]

Hey Clandestine..... Come on man - Moody is siding with you!! Slam others - not Moody!!
SEAJ

[QUOTE=Clandestine782]Chinese people are not welcome in many places in the world because they have some VERY BAD HABITS.

1. Trying to extend China into their host country. People don't take it very well when you come to their country and then disrespect the local culture.

Chinese people have been very unpopular in Indonesia and Malaysia because of their thinking that they are better than the local people (there have been riots in both places directly linked to that).[/QUOTE]

Here you are spouting off diatribe on something which you have zilch knowledge of - and is very offensive to me personally and which is just outright racist. WTF do YOU know about what some of the Chinese go through in Indonesia and Malaysia and how dare you presume to know enough to be judging all the Chinese there??

The Chinese immigrated throughout SE Asia starting from early 1800's when they not only encountered strange habits, language, people and extreme forms of discrimination. Through all this, they managed to establish themselves as the pillar of the economy - and not by THINKING that they are better than the locals but through sheer hard work, working within the system as it is - no matter how strange and foreign it was to their own way of thinking - persevering and succeeding. It was this economic success that is the crux of the suppossedly racial problem in Indonesia and Malaysia - for it is just plain and simple economic jealousy against a clearly identifiable group... of chinese.
In the early 1960's, 5% of the Population of Indonesia was Chinese and the Chinese controlled 90% of the economy (close approximations from what I remember from previous academic readings on topic). 1964 brought about the massacre of close to half a million Chinese - and it was under the banner of raiding the country of Communism (PRC) - not race; but amongst all the Chinese victims, there were a lot of Chinese who were Pro-Kuomintang Taiwan; and inter-twined amongst all of this was a blatant grab at land, property and other assets of the Chinese.
[QUOTE]
2. Criminal element. On one hand, I know that stupid assed black people in the United States are guilty of stealing 75 cent candy bars and anything else that is not nailed down (trust me, I know this from working at a service station during my college years). But if you added up every evaded tax dollar or every instance of immigration fraud/ copyright fraud, black people (for all of their pilfering) would steal some small fraction on a per-capita basis and probably about the same amount in dollar terms (even when the cost of housing inmates is added).

When I went to the US embassy to get some paperwork done, I talked to a guy there (he worked in the embassy but was on his lunch break and we met there) that said that people had had nervous breakdowns doing that job because of all the fraud that they had to deal with. Recently, I was reading a newspaper article that said that the Embassy had cracked down on immigration fraud. (And usually if something is going on somewhere, the US government is the last one to know about it.) But there were enough cass of immigration fraud committed for EVEN THEM to actually figure it out and press charges.[/QUOTE]
And your point is???? You are talking about racism in china what has this all got to do anything with the price of Pu erh tea?
[QUOTE]
3. Asian women are the greatest thing ever to come as a result of evolution. But when I am in China, I respect the people and local culture and don't try to extend black America into China. But even for all my efforts and showing that I am sensitive to the local culture, sometimes it does not work-- and I get those negative experiences. I have gone all kinds of other places and been well received (even to an Orthodox Jewish synagogue), so I do have some idea of how to act......[/QUOTE]
As a result of evolution...???!! Jeezus Christ!! You really know how to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] people off don't you. How would YOU like it if someone pointed out to you that a lot of ignorant (Yes ignorant ) Chinese joke that Black people is the closest evolution from monkeys - how would YOU feel?? Jeez!!!!
And as for your statement '.......my efforts and showing that I am sensitive to the local culture, ......." Christ, you certainly have not shown to me how you've been doing this - not from what you've posted in the past about your "experiences" - or rather various run ins with just about everybody you come in contact with in China - and even your native USA!
I apologize to one and all here for using some pretty strong language on this post - but Clandestine really got my goat by "cloaking the gigantic chip on his shoulders as bing racism in China and/or the chinese." and his relentless slagging of China and Chinese with his own brand of ignorance.
Clandestine - if you hate it so much in China why don't you just go away?! Oh, I forgot - I've already said this before, with your attitude and mind set, you're gonna have problems no matter where you are.
The problem is Clandestine - Not that he is black yellow or green - but because he is what he is.

Sorry - not "Peace" this time - I'm really pissed this time actually

SEAJ

SEAJ

Is it possible to hate your own racial or ethnic group?

I know a chinese american who tells me he hates the chinese. He is very critical of me because I like going to China.

From reading what Clandestine says, it sounds like he hates other black guys and therefore hates being one himself. Could that be true?

[QUOTE=BossLove72]. I don't have a problem, if the girl doesn't like me, that's cool. It when the girl DOES LIKE me, but gets talked about by everyone else around her and convinced not to go with me, even they don't even know what we are planning to do. ............. it just the whole treatment that you can get at time.

BTW I do know that there are racist things that happen to all types of people. I just know that some Chinese have this false sense of superiority at times. Doesn't matter to me in any way. I like China too, but at times when you have people looking down on clearly based on your skin color, it gets to be too much. ......., so now I know that it is mostly ignorance. Still if you are not in the right frame of mind...[/QUOTE]
BL - I for one appreciate what you've written.
As I said, yes there ARE a lot of Ignorant Chinese - as there are a lot ignorant people all over the world. You've realized this and accept things the way that they are - by ascribing whatever treatment you've been meted out as simply being the result of THEIR ignorance.
Pleaase remember this as a mantra when you next face blatant discrimination that I know you face just about every day in China.
Regards
SEAJ

[QUOTE=Clandestine782]China... sex ratio is definitely over 120males:100 females... it may not just be Ace. There are simply not enough women to go around even for Chinese men-- and the government knows this very well, as well as local Chinese men AND WOMEN. And since Asian women are such a wonderful thing, they know that they are in high demand wherever they go.[/QUOTE]
This talk of more men than women is crap.

While there may be more men than women in an absolute sense, if you are talking about Chinese men who are fit partners, then Chinese women have to look hard to find one.

Since China has high unemployment/under-employment, you have to consider that 80% of men are unfit in women's eyes because they do not have decent jobs. So, the male:female ratio is closer to 24:100.

If you're a foreginer, and foreigners don't care if the woman is from a city or the countryside or if the woman is a little older or divorced, the ratio is even better, since many Chinese women whom Chinese men would reject are acceptable to foreign men.

Plus, your average foreigner has better employment prospects than most Chinese, so the male:female ratio for foreign men in China is closer to 1:100 or better.

[QUOTE=CPExpat]Haha....now can you imagine a black man as President of the USA with a white woman as his VP??? I bet there are a lot of people shitting in their pants right now.

-CPE[/QUOTE]

Off topic - I'm a Barack supporter, and not so sure Hillary should be his side-kick.

POV

[QUOTE=Santa]Is it possible to hate your own racial or ethnic group?

I know a chinese american who tells me he hates the chinese. He is very critical of me because I like going to China.

From reading what Clandestine says, it sounds like he hates other black guys and therefore hates being one himself. Could that be true?[/QUOTE]There are many people that hates their own ethnicity. There are many asian than rather be white and would not date their own ethnicity. This is called having an 'Idenitity Crises'.

This can even happen within a race. I know a friend that married a Thai girl. Most of the WG, lower middle working class in Thailand are 'Issan'. Most of them have a darker complexion. We were at a social function and I just casually asked what part of Thailand she was from and she skirted around the issue and just basically told me that she was Chinese from Taiwan but I could tell and found out later that was the furthest from the truth. Bottom line is that many people are ashamed of their ethnicity, even within a race. That is why there are many 'bannanas and oreos' in this world. Please I am not out to flame anyone. Using the above words but using this as an example.

I am very proud of my ethnicity.

[QUOTE=Santa]Is it possible to hate your own racial or ethnic group?

I know a chinese american who tells me he hates the chinese. He is very critical of me because I like going to China.

From reading what Clandestine says, it sounds like he hates other black guys and therefore hates being one himself. Could that be true?[/QUOTE]I am not too fond of other black people. So, I guess you could say that it is not fun being black.......I had been thinking of converting to Judaism, since that is one race that has a percentage of "good people." And Judaism is such that you can be issued a certificate of conversion (after sitting before a beit din/ examination committee and and passing all the tests) and you can call yourself Jewish. The same way that you can call yourself "American" if you have a US passport.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Bill Lee - wow, what a great compilation. It shows this guy's true color (excuse the pun).

Here's one you missed: [i]You have to understand that Chinese men are willing/ obligated to pay a lot more than Western men for sex (and this is because always and everywhere there are Chinese people, there is a shortage of women--owing to sex-selective abortions and hepatitis), and so they drive up the price.[/i]. For you senior mongers and resident China experts - when was the last time a local paid more than a western in China...LOL

It also shows his total ignorance, even though he tries to sound intelligent ;)

Btw
Full post here: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=581376&postcount=880[/url]


PS - sorry, missed another one of his words of wisdom: [i]3. Asian women are the greatest thing ever to come as a result of evolution [/i] - now can someone tell me wtf this means - especially when you add this sentence to the one above, eg shortage of women..?[/QUOTE]
That is not something that I made up. This is something that was studied in great detail by mathematician/ economist Emily Oster. [url]http://www.slate.com/id/2119402/[/url]

She is HEAVY. So, I am not trying to make up something on the fly. She has a webpage that had a link to the very detailed equations/ calculations that she made. And there have even been some later papers that criticized her methodology and conclusions. But the issue was whether Hepatitis B could account for a certain percentage of the shortage of females...........not whether the shortage actually existed. If Hepatitis B does not explain it, then sex-selective abortions and amniocentesis must explain it. You can read the short article (the Levitt and Dubner article), but the longer/ primary article I have read and it is appalling).

[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]BL - I for one appreciate what you've written.
As I said, yes there ARE a lot of Ignorant Chinese - as there are a lot ignorant people all over the world. You've realized this and accept things the way that they are - by ascribing whatever treatment you've been meted out as simply being the result of THEIR ignorance.
Pleaase remember this as a mantra when you next face blatant discrimination that I know you face just about every day in China.
Regards
SEAJ[/QUOTE]

SEA Joe,

Why can BossLover face day to day discrimination in China but Clandestine cannot?

Getting very confusing now, we have Asians/Whites defending blacks in racial injustice, blacks accusing Chinese discrimination, Chinese defending Chinese from racism against blacks, black hating blacks, Chinese hating Chinese, and I’m sure we’d all be on a cute BBS girl like white on rice.

Can we all just get along? :)

HT

[QUOTE=Clandestine782]That is not something that I made up. This is something that was studied in great detail by mathematician/ economist Emily Oster. [url]http://www.slate.com/id/2119402/[/url]
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Let me get this right, your argument (thought process) is:

1. I read a study that someone wrote saying prevalence of Hep B causes shortage of women in China ([i]but not in other countries?[/i] (my italics).
2. Chinese prefer males to females so selectively abort female fetus.
3. #1 & 2 result in 'shortage' of females and thus p4p prices are artificially inflated for local chinese.
4. And because females can survive in this type of hostile environment, by result of evolution, they are the greatest in the world (greatest in what: sex, cooking, working??).

Did I get it right?
And you want us to believe this...ROFLMAO


PS - and by the way, these same great women are racists because they won't have sex with a 'brother', right???

[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]Here you are spouting off diatribe on something which you have zilch knowledge of - and is very offensive to me personally and which is just outright racist. WTF do YOU know about what some of the Chinese go through in Indonesia and Malaysia and how dare you presume to know enough to be judging all the Chinese there??[/QUOTE]There are these things called books and newspapers. I know that there have been more than one riot in both of those places from reading those wonderful things. Lee Kwan Yew was someone that documented those things, and it was part of the reason that Singapore separated from the Malaysian federation. Malaysians and the Chinese didn't see eye to eye about more than one thing. (The local Malays [pribumi/ bumiputra] thought that Chinese people would generate the income and then the Malays would help themselves to it.)

[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]The Chinese immigrated throughout SE Asia starting from early 1800's when they not only encountered strange habits, language, people and extreme forms of discrimination. Through all this, they managed to establish themselves as the pillar of the economy - and not by THINKING that they are better than the locals but through sheer hard work, working within the system as it is - no matter how strange and foreign it was to their own way of thinking - persevering and succeeding. It was this economic success that is the crux of the suppossedly racial problem in Indonesia and Malaysia - for it is just plain and simple economic jealousy against a clearly identifiable group... of chinese.[/QUOTE] It may have been something like that, but there are other possibilities. If you go to New York Chinatown, you will see that those people have put Chinese characters on the street signs--above the English words (and this may be permissible since the idiots in the US government have never gotten around to making English the official language of the United States), but that is not what I would call acting as guests in another person's country. More like gate-crashers.

Iris Chang went on about how Chinese people got a cool reception in the United States in her book "The Chinese in America" (a good read, and I think that I completed it just as I found out that she had killed herself). She pointed out that: 1) Chinese people signed up in the US military in high numbers because they believed that they the US mission was to defend China from attack by Japan (no other reason); 2) That the reception that Chinese people got was not good from the local people because of aforementioned obnoxious behavior.

This is a sex guide, but you opened the topic.....I can also go on about how much of China in its current state has been slowly added as a result of Han people going there and overrunning the local people (read: Xinjiang and Tibet). If they do it there, why would they not try to do the same thing in other places? And if they didn't do that, why would they receive such a hostile reaction from local people in so many places? 人 心 歸 漢 is a famous Chinese proverb-- and one that you will see posted in a lot of places where Chinese people live (in other countries).

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In the early 1960's, 5% of the Population of Indonesia was Chinese and the Chinese controlled 90% of the economy (close approximations from what I remember from previous academic readings on topic). 1964 brought about the massacre of close to half a million Chinese - and it was under the banner of raiding the country of Communism (PRC) - not race; but amongst all the Chinese victims, there were a lot of Chinese who were Pro-Kuomintang Taiwan; and inter-twined amongst all of this was a blatant grab at land, property and other assets of the Chinese.[/QUOTE]

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As a result of evolution...???!! Jeezus Christ!! You really know how to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] people off don't you. How would YOU like it if someone pointed out to you that a lot of ignorant (Yes ignorant ) Chinese joke that Black people is the closest evolution from monkeys - how would YOU feel?? Jeez!!!!
And as for your statement '.......my efforts and showing that I am sensitive to the local culture, ......." Christ, you certainly have not shown to me how you've been doing this - not from what you've posted in the past about your "experiences" - or rather various run ins with just about everybody you come in contact with in China - and even your native USA![/QUOTE] Calm down. All human beings are a result of evolution. I just happen to think that Asian women are the BEST result (and black women the worst). I think that a good description of all the good aspects of Asian women would put me beyond the word limit for a single posting, so I'll leave that alone. How many other guys come here and appreciate the women and that is the reason that they stay in China? How is it so inflammatory when *I* say it? (Technically, I might add that some people could say that black people are closest to CHIMPANZEES, but monkeys and the great apes are two totally different branches of evolution. Separated by MILLIONS of years. But that is another story, and one for taxonomy-- although I have certainly heard the "monkey" thing in China many times before. "Pongid" was a word that I once heard used.)

When I say "sensitive to local culture," I do what most people would think of as sensitive under those circumstances. I speak the language of the people (literally, I do everything in Mandarin and don't ask for anything to be done in English on my behalf). I also give up my seat when an old person is on a bus (the same thing that civilized people do). For the brevity of most transactions on a daily basis, what else could one do?

[QUOTE]I apologize to one and all here for using some pretty strong language on this post - but Clandestine really got my goat by "cloaking the gigantic chip on his shoulders as bing racism in China and/or the chinese." and his relentless slagging of China and Chinese with his own brand of ignorance.
Clandestine - if you hate it so much in China why don't you just go away?! [/QUOTE]. Three words: Abundant..........Asian.............Vagina. I might ask the same thing about Chinese people in other countries. If 人 心 歸 漢 (as a lot of Chinese people say), why don't they go back to China to be with said people? I'll come and go to China and put my face into every vagina that I can get it into-- and not feel bad about it, even if some of the negative aspects about those times between meals do come up here in this guide and I make comments about them.

Inserts in ALL CAPS.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Let me get this right, your argument (thought process) is:

1. I read a study that someone wrote saying prevalence of Hep B causes shortage of women in China ([i]but not in other countries?[/i] (my italics). [/QUOTE]WHAT I READ WAS A STUDY THAT SAID THAT THE SHORTAGE OF FEMALES COULD BE 60% EXPLAINED BY HEPATITIS RATES. IF YOU BOTHERED TO READ THE *WHOLE ARTICLE* (AS IN, THE ORIGINAL) INSTEAD OF SHOOTING OFF YOUR MOUTH, YOU WOULD SEE THAT THE RATES OF HEPATITIS IN CHINA ARE HIGHER THAN IN OTHER PLACES.
[QUOTE]2. Chinese prefer males to females so selectively abort female fetus. [/QUOTE]THIS IS TRUE. AND THERE ARE OTHER PRIMARY ARTICLES GIVEN IN THE ORIGINAL OSTER ARTICLE (AND MANY OTHERS, FOR THAT MATTER) THAT DEMONSTRATE THAT THE SEX RATIO FOR THIRD AND FOURTH CHILDREN IS SOMETHING LIKE 220:100, AS WELL AS THE SEX RATIO FOR THE YOUNGER GENERATION BEING SOMETHING LIKE 120:100.
[QUOTE]3. #1 & 2 result in 'shortage' of females and thus p4p prices are artificially inflated for local chinese.[/QUOTE] IT COULD BE THAT. OR IT COULD BE THAT THAT IS JUST WHAT LOCAL MEN ARE WILLING TO PAY. BUT GIVEN THAT A LOT OF MEN WON'T FIND GIRLFRIENDS (BECAUSE THEY AREN'T THERE TO BE FOUND), THEN THE PRICE WOULD HAVE TO GO UP. (SAME WAY THAT THE PRICE OF COCAINE IN THE UNITED STATES IS HIGHER BECAUSE OF ARTIFICIAL RESTRICTIONS ON SUPPLY-- I.E., DRUGS ARE ILLEGAL.) I CAN SAY FOR SURE THAT THE AVERAGE OF WHAT BLACK MEN PAY FOR SEX IN AMERICA (AND THE NUMBER OF MEN WHO PAY FOR SEX) IS MUCH LOWER. I CAN'T PROVE CONCLUSIVELY THAT IT'S EITHER BECAUSE BLACK WOMEN AREN'T THAT SOFT TO LOOK AT (THEY AREN'T AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED) OR THAT THERE ARE ENOUGH BLACK WOMEN AROUND FOR EVERY BLACK MAN TO HAVE ONE AND SOME TO HAVE TWO (THIS IS, IN FACT, TRUE).

[QUOTE]4. And because females can survive in this type of hostile environment, by result of evolution, they are the greatest in the world (greatest in what: sex, cooking, working??).[/QUOTE] NO, THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID. I SAID THAT ASIAN GIRLS (ORIENTAL ONES FIRST AND AUSTRONESIAN ONES SECOND) ARE THE BEST RESULT OF EVOLUTION BECAUSE I FIND THEM TO BE THE BEST LOOKING WOMEN ON EARTH. SO, IF I HAD COME ALONG BEFORE, SAY 250,000 YEARS AGO (WHICH IS THOUGHT TO BE THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT HUMAN BEINGS HAVE LOOKED LIKE THEY DO) AND THERE WERE NO ASIAN GIRLS, THEN I WOULD LIVE A MISERABLE EXISTENCE. (WHEN I AM BACK IN THE STATES WHERE THEY ARE FEW IN NUMBER, I LIVE A PRETTY BAD EXISTENCE.) SO, ONE MORE TIME: *WHATEVER IT IS* THAT HAPPENED OVER THE LAST 250,000 YEARS THAT CREATED THE EXISTENCE OF ASIAN GIRLS HAS MADE THEM THE BEST LOOKING THINGS ON THE EARTH. A MAJORITY OF WESTERN MEN WOULD AGREE. SO, THEY ARE THE BEST *LOOKING* WOMEN ON EARTH.

[QUOTE]Did I get it right?[/QUOTE]NO. NO. NO.
[QUOTE]And you want us to believe this...ROFLMAO[/QUOTE]
IF YOU READ MY CLARIFICATIONS, YOU SHOULD STOP "ROFLMAO."


[QUOTE]PS - and by the way, these same great women are racists because they won't have sex with a 'brother', right???[/QUOTE]IF YOU GO OVER YOUR NOTES, YOU WILL SEE THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY "ACE OF SPADES" THAT STARTED WITH SAYING THAT HE COULD NOT GET LAID OUTSIDE OF P4P. I WOULD AGREE THAT A LOT OF THE CHINESE GIRLS WILL BE WITH WHITE GUYS THAT ARE MISSING TEETH/ LIMBS/ HAIR AND HAVE THE IQ OF A GERBIL *BEFORE* THEY WOULD BE WITH AN EDUCATED BLACK MAN. I CAN'T PROVE THAT IT IS BECAUSE OF "RACISM"-- AND IN ANY CASE, IF THEY DON'T WANT TO BE BOTHERED THEN I JUST TAKE THAT INTO MY CALCULATIONS (AS IN HOW MUCH TIME IT IS WORTH SPENDING ON ONE GIRL AGAINST THE CHANCE THAT SOMEONE SUITABLE WILL COME ALONG) AND KEEP ON MOVING. WHAT'S MORE: THE *REASONS* THAT SOMEONE WILL ALLOW ME ACCESS TO HER VAGINA ARE ULTIMATELY NOT AS RELEVANT AS THE FACT THAT SHE IS NOT A POSSIBILITY. (I DO WONDER, THOUGH, WHETHER THE IMPRESSIONS THAT THE GIRLS HAVE HAD AFTER MEETING UNDEODORIZED BLACK AFRICANS HAVE MADE IT WORSE FOR WESTERN/ EUROPEAN BLACK MEN.)

[QUOTE=Clandestine782]
It may have been something like that, but there are other possibilities. If you go to New York Chinatown, you will see that those people have put Chinese characters on the street signs--above the English words (and this may be permissible since the idiots in the US government have never gotten around to making English the official language of the United States), but that is not what I would call acting as guests in another person's country. More like gate-crashers.
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These street signs with Chinese characters are put up by the city government for decades to lend more ethnicity to Chinatown for the tourists, most of them Caucasians.

The Chinese in New York City has no real political power in government. You are making this out to be again, an one sided story. You don't know anything about the signs in New York. Are you even aware that the telephone booths has pagoda designs in Chinatown since the seventies? What power do you think the Chinese have over the phone company?

The city celebrates the diffierent ethnicity of its citizens and certainly do not find the Chinese to be "gate-crasher." What you overlooked is the fact that New York City has many races and ethnicity in different neighbors and it welcomes its immigrant population and promotes them.

How much political power do you think that the 250,000 or so Chinese in New York City have over a population of 8 million people? Most of those Chinese don't even vote.

Here's Wikipedia's breakdown of the New York City population:

Ethnic composition
New York City is a minority-majority city, or one in which people self-identified as nonwhite dominate demographically. In 2005 44% of the population was identified as white. 25.3% of the population was black or African American, 11.6% was Asian and 0.4% were American Indian. Another 17% belonged to other racial categories and 1.6% of New Yorkers identified themselves as belonging to more than one race.

Just another one of your one sided statement.

Regarding your post, "Chinese people are not welcome in many places in the world because they have some VERY BAD HABITS." You don't know anything about Chinese at all and you generalize too much. Let's be specific. In New York City, the Chinese and the rest of the Asian population are the preferred tenants in many up-scale neighborhoods, over you know who? Blacks. Because the blacks have "very bad habits."


Bill

[QUOTE=Hat Trick]SEA Joe,

Why can BossLover face day to day discrimination in China but Clandestine cannot?

Getting very confusing now, we have Asians/Whites defending blacks in racial injustice, blacks accusing Chinese discrimination, Chinese defending Chinese from racism against blacks, black hating blacks, Chinese hating Chinese, and I’m sure we’d all be on a cute BBS girl like white on rice.

Can we all just get along? :)

HT[/QUOTE]
Boss Love knows that there is racism in China (which is undeniable) but attributes it to the ignorance of the particular perpetrator...easily dismisses it as such and gets on with life.
Clandestine attributes everything - whether being refused service or people not understanding him, or even the plain ole reason that not everybody wants to have anything to do with any particular person (whether black, yelllow, white etc)- solely to him being black. To me - AND this from his postings about how he approaches and reacts to situations - this points to problems with him.
In his postings, he berates/has something against just about everybody and come back to his old saw - that it is because he is black.
No, Clandestine has problems as a PERSON, and not only because he is black.
SEAJ

And yes, I agree, lets all get along. I for one take Boss Love's attitude when confronted with bigotry/racism - Its the stupid mother F.....r that is ignorant/that's got the problem - not me.... and move along

[QUOTE=Clandestine782]There are these things called books and newspapers. I know that there have been more than one riot in both of those places from reading those wonderful things. Lee Kwan Yew was someone that documented those things, and it was part of the reason that Singapore separated from the Malaysian federation. Malaysians and the Chinese didn't see eye to eye about more than one thing. (The local Malays [pribumi/ bumiputra] thought that Chinese people would generate the income and then the Malays would help themselves to it.)
[/QUOTE]
WHAT are you going on about NOW? Lee Kuan Yue is Singaporean, Malaysia is NOT Indonesia.
Chinese people would generate the income and then the Malays would HELP THEMSELVES?????!!!! What kind of stupid statement is that?
[QUOTE]
It may have been something like that, but there are other possibilities. If you go to New York Chinatown, you will see that those people have put Chinese characters on the street signs--above the English words (and this may be permissible since the idiots in the US government have never gotten around to making English the official language of the United States), but that is not what I would call acting as guests in another person's country. More like gate-crashers.

Iris Chang went on about how Chinese people got a cool reception in the United States in her book "The Chinese in America" (a good read, and I think that I completed it just as I found out that she had killed herself). She pointed out that: 1) Chinese people signed up in the US military in high numbers because they believed that they the US mission was to defend China from attack by Japan (no other reason); 2) That the reception that Chinese people got was not good from the local people because of aforementioned obnoxious behavior.[/QUOTE]
And what has Iris Chang or New York City or the US govt got anything to do with your previous spouting “………Chinese people have been very unpopular in Indonesia and Malaysia because of their thinking that they are better than the local people (there have been riots in both places directly linked to that)….”

You’re not only totally wrong in that statement but more stupidly, you are actually saying that the Pribumis are correct to have gone and massacred the Chinese – and the reason that it is OK to do so is that the Chinese thinks that they are better than them. THAT has got to be the stupidest and most racially charged thing I’ve heard anybody say – at least anybody who has got half a brain.
[QUOTE]
This is a sex guide, but you opened the topic.....I can also go on about how much of China in its current state has been slowly added as a result of Han people going there and overrunning the local people (read: Xinjiang and Tibet). If they do it there, why would they not try to do the same thing in other places? And if they didn't do that, why would they receive such a hostile reaction from local people in so many places? 人 心 歸 漢 is a famous Chinese proverb-- and one that you will see posted in a lot of places where Chinese people live (in other countries).[/QUOTE]
Again – WHAT are you on about?? What has what China is doing OR NOT doing got anything to do with your statement about the Indonesian Chinese? On top of that, what is so bloody terrible with China encouraging Han Chinese to go to these places (and there’s no such thing as a government directive that Han Chinese GO to Tibet or Xinjiang – the Han Chinese on their own volition go as they see economic opportunities). Do you see anything wrong with the US government giving incentives for people to move to some blighted places i.e. inner city, Harlem etc?
Chinese go to any place that they perceive as offering them better economic opportunities, work hard…very hard.. and don’t go about worrying about all the injustices or bigotry or any other disadvantages there…. And achieve the kind of economic and social success that intelligent natives look up to.
YOU – you’re such a bad representative of your race – because of the chip on your shoulder.
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Calm down. All human beings are a result of evolution. I just happen to think that Asian women are the BEST result (and black women the worst). I think that a good description of all the good aspects of Asian women would put me beyond the word limit for a single posting, so I'll leave that alone. How many other guys come here and appreciate the women and that is the reason that they stay in China? How is it so inflammatory when *I* say it? (Technically, I might add that some people could say that black people are closest to CHIMPANZEES, but monkeys and the great apes are two totally different branches of evolution. Separated by MILLIONS of years. But that is another story, and one for taxonomy-- although I have certainly heard the "monkey" thing in China many times before. "Pongid" was a word that I once heard used.)[/QUOTE]
Calm down???!! This is typical of you – you come out with blatant and offensive statements…. And then expect your counter party to just take it all in and…. Calm down. Is this what you do in real life….and thus the reason for you experiencing what you think of/perceive as being Bigotry…instead of a normal person’s natural reaction to such IGNORANCE ON YOUR PART?
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When I say "sensitive to local culture," I do what most people would think of as sensitive under those circumstances. I speak the language of the people (literally, I do everything in Mandarin and don't ask for anything to be done in English on my behalf). I also give up my seat when an old person is on a bus (the same thing that civilized people do). For the brevity of most transactions on a daily basis, what else could one do?[/QUOTE]
What else??? What else??? Howzabout first getting rid of that humongous chip you have on your shoulder. Howzabout you stop attributing everything to the fact that you are black. OK, you ARE black – but could it be other things that makes people treat you the way that they do? Your attitude and frame of mind is a much more important factor than saying things in Chinese – as attitude is what counts in ALL discourse.
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. Three words: Abundant..........Asian.............Vagina. I might ask the same thing about Chinese people in other countries. If 人 心 歸 漢 (as a lot of Chinese people say), why don't they go back to China to be with said people? I'll come and go to China and put my face into every vagina that I can get it into-- and not feel bad about it, even if some of the negative aspects about those times between meals do come up here in this guide and I make comments about them.[/QUOTE]
The Chinese – and indeed any other decent immigrants to any country – stay in their new homeland and take EVERYTHING in. Whether good or bad. If bad, the with a grain of salt or just let it pass. That is how Boss Love seems to me to be handling the fact that there is discrimination in China. YOU??? You want everybody you deal with to change and cater to what you want, you expect…and demand that everything is to your desires. Get over it man – the world – and certainly China – don’t owe you nuthin’
SEAJ
PS. I again apologize to one and all here for perhaps having written some things which are not gentlemanly and perhaps even shows my own ignorance – but Clandestine really gets to me!

Newbie question.

Where can I find a hot chinese mountain pygmy with big hooters and gives good head?

[QUOTE=Santa]Newbie question.

Does anybody know where I can find a chinese mountain pygmy with big hooters and gives good head? No more than 200rmb[/QUOTE]Not so demanding newbie question: Where to find Chinese girls with green eyes?

Big trouble in little China.

Dear all:

Clandestine continues to show how "???" he is. The good news is his pattern is usually to: 1)pop his axxhole up every few months, 2) make a complete fool of himself and 3) then bury his head back in the sand.

I will stop with additional posts for now and hope he goes back underground.

Cheers to all
:)

And yes, I agree, lets all get along. I for one take Boss Love's attitude when confronted with bigotry/racism - Its the stupid mother F.....r that is ignorant/that's got the problem - not me.... and move along[/QUOTE]Boy, how far have we gotten from not getting pussy in China to Malay's hating Chinese. LKY, the great Father of Singapore, (any real true Singaporean would never say or type his whole name in respect for him) has done so much for this small country. I love this place. There are so many reasons for the problems, not so much race, but MONEY and WATER that has caused so many fights.

Nevertheless, let me add my two kuai to this discussion.

Moody, you are well informed and well intentioned and I totally understand and agree with you on many outlooks, except this one: blacks can totally be racists. So many times we discriminate against other blacks, as I've seen Chinese do against other Chinese. People are people, when it comes down to it we will always find something to make someone different. Noses, height, eyes, fat or thin. Always something. However Moody is dead right on about the treatment of american blacks. I have gone and encountered far too many followings and being a "potential" robbery suspect. It is a tough life and I would never wish this life on my worst enemy. It will make many bitter and jaded, where others in this forum may be now after going through a lifetime of injustices. I chose not to let it get the best of me. Although I do have my times where I am so severely challenged all I can do is just bear it. It does no good to let the ignorant ones get the best of you.

Thanks to the others, who do realize that people do suffer slings and arrows everyday, not just me but so many others. I know ABC's, BBC's & CBC's who can't get a job to teach English when I see so many people who can't even speak a proper English sentence get a job, because they are blue eyed and blond. Go figure! It's sadly a fact of life. It is how we deal with it. As I have said before, don't let them get the best of you. When you do, they win and everyone loses.

Look no more comments from me on this issue. I think that I have gotten my point across and others can understand what I was trying to say. In fact, I have been quite too busy to write to you guys, since I've been fucking about four girls now regularly with no P4P status. Two are 20 somethings who just want to hang out with me. We have lots of fun. Another is a 36 Divorced mother of a 12 old boy who has only fucked her ex-husband in her life, so she loves all the things that I do to her, something or other also said about size. Then I also have a WG.

And yes, I agree, lets all get along. I for one take Boss Love's attitude when confronted with bigotry/racism - Its the stupid mother F.....r that is ignorant/that's got the problem - not me.... and move along[/QUOTE]Boy, how far have we gotten from not getting pussy in China to Malay's hating Chinese. LKY, the great Father of Singapore, (any real true Singaporean would never say or type his whole name in respect for him) has done so much for this small country. I love this place. There are so many reasons for the problems, not so much race, but MONEY and WATER that has caused so many fights.

Nevertheless, let me add my two kuai to this discussion.

Moody, you are well informed and well intentioned and I totally understand and agree with you on many outlooks, except this one: blacks can totally be racists. So many times we discriminate against other blacks, as I've seen chinese do against other chinese. People are people, when it comes down to it we will always find something to make someone different. Noses, height, eyes, fat or thin... always something. However Moody is dead right on about the treatment of american blacks. I have gone and encountered far too many followings and being a "potential" robbery suspect. It is a tough life and I would never wish this life on my worst enemy. It will make many bitter and jaded, where others in this forum may be now after going through a lifetime of injustices. I chose not to let it get the best of me. Although I do have my times where I am so severely challenged all I can do is just bear it. It does no good to let the ignorant ones get the best of you.

Thanks to the others, who do realize that people do suffer slings and arrows everyday, not just me but so many others. I know ABC's, BBC's & CBC's who can't get a job to teach English when I see so many people who can't even speak a proper English sentence get a job, because they are blue eyed and blond. Go figure! It's sadly a fact of life. It is how we deal with it. As I have said before, don't let them get the best of you. When you do, they win and everyone loses.

Look no more comments from me on this issue. I think that I have gotten my point across and others can understand what I was trying to say. In fact, I have been quite too busy to write to you guys, since I've been fucking about four girls now regularly with no P4P status. Two are 20 somethings who just want to hang out with me. We have lots of fun. Another is a 36 Divorced mother of a 12 old boy who has only fucked her ex-husband in her life, so she loves all the things that I do to her, something or other also said about size... Then I also have a WG who is now something like a gf. She comes and makes me dinner and cleans my apartment. I teach her English and we hang out. It's rather nice, getting little time to relax and space them all out to avoid them from running into each other now. Eaglestar how do you get them to take photos? I can't even reach for camera, much less to even try to snap a few pics!!!

My doorman hates me or is just plain envious. So it is a good life at times; you just need to balance your life at times. You have good times and at times tougher ones. Overall, it just an adventure.

Relax and just enjoy life. You'll never get out of it alive anyway.

[QUOTE]WHAT are you going on about NOW? Lee Kuan Yue is Singaporean, Malaysia is NOT Indonesia.
Chinese people would generate the income and then the Malays would HELP THEMSELVES?????!!!! What kind of stupid statement is that?[/quote]Lee Kwan Yew (not Yue) is a Singaporean Chinese. I am not making the statement. This is what he himself said in his book. It's not like he's a Singapore Malaysian and has no perspective on the subject. Let's remember that the Singapore Chinese just came there 2-3 generations ago. WHAT HE SAID IN HIS BOOK WAS: Singapore separated from the Malaysian Federation because of racial issues with the local Malays, who thought that they were entitled to some of everyone's wealth because they were local people and the Chinese were foreigners. And this had a racial component. His words. Not mine. Reference: "From Third World to First."
[quote]
And what has Iris Chang or New York City or the US govt got anything to do with your previous spouting “………Chinese people have been very unpopular in Indonesia and Malaysia because of their thinking that they are better than the local people (there have been riots in both places directly linked to that)….” [/quote]It is called evidence. Quoting a reference/ source. There have been more than one place that Chinese people were unpopular, and the USA is *one more example* in a list of others. So, Iris Chang's information is something that supported my original assertion about Chinese people being unpopular in other places. Malaysia and Indonesia were other examples of the same phenomenon.
[quote]You’re not only totally wrong in that statement but more stupidly, you are actually saying that the Pribumis are correct to have gone and massacred the Chinese – and the reason that it is OK to do so is that the Chinese thinks that they are better than them.[/quote]Where did you read my saying that? Don't put words into my mouth.[quote] THAT has got to be the stupidest and most racially charged thing I’ve heard anybody say – at least anybody who has got half a brain.[/quote]It might be-- IF I HAD ACTUALLY SAID IT.
[QUOTE]Again – WHAT are you on about?? What has what China is doing OR NOT doing got anything to do with your statement about the Indonesian Chinese?[/QUOTE] Can you read very well? The proverb that I gave you (that was written in Chinese) is one that was introduced to me by Adeline Yen Mah. Do you know what it means in English? Or should I tell it to you? But if you understand the meaning of that proverb, you can see that it is a potential mechanism to explain some of the hostility that Chinese people encounter when they go to other places as guests and don't act like guests. [quote]On top of that, what is so bloody terrible with China encouraging Han Chinese to go to these places (and there’s no such thing as a government directive that Han Chinese GO to Tibet or Xinjiang – the Han Chinese on their own volition go as they see economic opportunities).[/quote] That is not true. The government gives people money to go there and settle/ Sinicize those regions. In some way, it is the fault of the Uighurs that they could not get their shit together enough to be able to build a republic. The Xinjiang region has slipped in and out of Chinese sovereignty MANY times, but it looks like this last time really will be the last time. Those guys have been around for a long time (since at least the Tang Dynasty) and they will be extinct soon enough. Note that Chinese people occupied Vietnam for a very long time and that Korea was once a suzerain of China. Korea and Vietnam were the only places that managed to successfully resist being Sinicized. Mongolia did, but they lost 1/2 of their territory. [quote]Do you see anything wrong with the US government giving incentives for people to move to some blighted places i.e. inner city, Harlem etc?[/quote] Most definitely. But the issue of whether I support the US government trying to spend someone else's money (regardless of the reason) is beyond the scope of this issue (which is, for the record, proposing some reasonable mechanism to explain why Chinese people go around the world and get such a bad reaction in many places).[quote]
Chinese go to any place that they perceive as offering them better economic opportunities, work hard…very hard.. and don’t go about worrying about all the injustices or bigotry or any other disadvantages there…. And achieve the kind of economic and social success that intelligent natives look up to.[/quote]Was that the point? I could point out that Chinese people actually aren't any special case rather than self-selection. It just happens that in China the government has not been able to get its shit together for CENTURIES, and so the people with half a brain will go somewhere where the government is stable/ non Chinese and make money. Those people are SELF SELECTED. So, the people that went to other countries would have been the better people even in China- if China had learned enough to attract and keep its talented people over the years. But, they just didn't. This issue is dealt with a bit in "Knowledge and Decision" (a book by Thomas Sowell on said topic). If the Chinese people that went abroad were a representative of the population at large, then that population wouldn't be abroad, because they would be able to make money at home. (Do you see any Japanese diaspora communities- other than the US and Brazil?) [quote]
YOU – you’re such a bad representative of your race – because of the chip on your shoulder.[/quote]Nothing of the sort. I am not making up these statements-- and you (and that asshole Traveler1234) keep trying to explain away my statements based on my motives for making them rather than dealing with the facts of what I have written. I can also quote a couple of other books that I have read about the Chinese sense of superiority making them enemies. This was not the point of these books, but something that came up peripherally. Carl Crow. 400 million customers. Jasper Becker. The Chinese. Also (I believe) David Landes. The Wealth and Poverty of Nations.

[quote]Calm down???!! This is typical of you – you come out with blatant and offensive statements…. And then expect your counter party to just take it all in and…. Calm down. Is this what you do in real life….and thus the reason for you experiencing what you think of/perceive as being Bigotry…instead of a normal person’s natural reaction to such IGNORANCE ON YOUR PART?[/quote] No one seems to know what the word "ignorance" means. It is about being WRONG ON THE FACTS, not taking a position that another disagrees with. So, I could say that Karl Marx was being ignorant when he put forth the Labor Theory of Value because he was WRONG ON THE FACTS, and not because I categorically didn't like what he had to say. The statements that I am making can be referenced by the sources that I quoted.

[quote]What else??? What else??? Howzabout first getting rid of that humongous chip you have on your shoulder. Howzabout you stop attributing everything to the fact that you are black. OK, you ARE black – but could it be other things that makes people treat you the way that they do? Your attitude and frame of mind is a much more important factor than saying things in Chinese – as attitude is what counts in ALL discourse.[/quote]And if you had read some of my earlier posts, such as my having the experience many times of walking up to a hotel or a motorcycle driver and asking how much it was to get from some place to another and having them brush you off like they were too busy to be bothered? Another time, I went into Macau and asked (in Chinese) how to get to the airport from McDonald's (the guy to whom I asked it was a Mainland Chinese-- I could tell by his dress and teeth), and he said something like: "Don't bother me." And he had that smug look on his face that I have seen 1,000 times. I didn't walk up to him and ask to see his snatch and I spoke to him in Chinese. So what else could have been the issue in that case?

[quote]The Chinese – and indeed any other decent immigrants to any country – stay in their new homeland and take EVERYTHING in. Whether good or bad. If bad, the with a grain of salt or just let it pass. That is how Boss Love seems to me to be handling the fact that there is discrimination in China. YOU??? You want everybody you deal with to change and cater to what you want, you expect…and demand that everything is to your desires. Get over it man – the world – and certainly China – don’t owe you nuthin’
SEAJ
PS. I again apologize to one and all here for perhaps having written some things which are not gentlemanly and perhaps even shows my own ignorance – but Clandestine really gets to me![/QUOTE]There is no hamster in your wheel. When did I say that the world owed me anything? This thread was started by another guy, and I added some supporting examples. No more, no less.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Dear all:

Clandestine continues to show how "???" he is. The good news is his pattern is usually to: 1)pop his axxhole up every few months, 2) make a complete fool of himself and 3) then bury his head back in the sand.

I will stop with additional posts for now and hope he goes back underground.

Cheers to all
:)[/QUOTE]From the bottom of my heart...........Kiss my ass. You didn't even answer any of the assertions that I put forth in my rebuttal (the one written in ALL CAPS). Tell me now who looks like a dumb motherfucker.

How about a tall and slender sichuanese white tiger, with pink nipples and a very tight twat!

Hey, where's that kind of pussy at?

[QUOTE=BossLove72] Eaglestar how do you get them to take photos? I can't even reach for camera, much less to even try to snap a few pics!!! [/QUOTE]

To be totally honest BL I don't know why the girls (for the most part) do not object. The one I did last night kinda fussed a little bit, then relented but later asked me to delete them. I told her I would after I viewed them. I will post later today but with covered face. She, like almost all of the girls I do, has a responsible job and it would be devastating if she were seen here.

I do bring out the camera well ahead of bed time and shoot some 'normal' pics and let her take some of me if she wants but beyond that I cannot tell why.

BTW, I agree totally with your comments regarding Clandestine and discrimination here in Asia. He is in my ignore list as I view his posts as a waste of bandwidth.


ES

[QUOTE=Eaglestar]To be totally honest BL I don't know why the girls (for the most part) do not object. The one I did last night kinda fussed a little bit, then relented but later asked me to delete them. I told her I would after I viewed them. I will post later today but with covered face. She, like almost all of the girls I do, has a responsible job and it would be devastating if she were seen here.

I do bring out the camera well ahead of bed time and shoot some 'normal' pics and let her take some of me if she wants but beyond that I cannot tell why.

BTW, I agree totally with your comments regarding Clandestine and discrimination here in Asia. He is in my ignore list as I view his posts as a waste of bandwidth.
ES[/QUOTE]Hmmm. I don't think even if tried to bring out the camera before, which I have done to take regular pics, they would not be open to the "extra" shots. So many times these girls tell me that I am so bad and these photos will just cement the fact of what we are doing. So I'll just have to keep the memories alive in my mind.

On last thing, on racism. After you have been subjected to it so often, you start to see it everywhere. I'll give you an example. After being used to having people point at me and talk about me, I take it for granted that they are talking about me and you can become SUPER SENSITIVE to everything around you. I was walking down the street here in Qingdao and saw these two girls pointing and laughing towards my way. In my mind I was starting to go through this silent rage, but then I turned to see just what they were pointing at; it was a very drunk Chinese guy stumbling and falling all over the place. If I hadn't turned around and looked, I would have just assumed it was about me. So many times after awhile, we just think things are all about us, when it is so clearly not. We do not take the others viewpoint into consideration. We have had a bad day, so can they. That's all I want to suggest to others, it may not be just about you. I sit back and just watch the girl interact with the Chinese fellows. Often the Chinese girl will want to go me, but are so afraid, they can't speak too well, if any at all. They get so pleased when they see that I can speak to them. It is amazing to see the turn around in their attitude, I mean a total 360 change. So relax and don't take it all to heart.

Clan:
The one thing you've done for me is to remind me once again to never engage the ignorants - as its a total waste of time.

You quote all sorts of books, references, people; Don't you have your OWN opinion? Where's your own common sense?? What... quote and quote ... just to show everybody how well read you are? How intelligent you are??

All it shows to me is that you ain't got a lick of sense. That you are just an empty vessel sprouting off other's opinions and beliefs.

Why dontcha LEARN when you read, be challenged by new and opposing ideas - instead of just selectively chosing things that backs up your already held beliefs? Didn't your Momma and Poppa teach you nuthin' about getting along in this world?

For one, why dontcha read Boss Love's approach to life in China AND in general. From the way that the both of you describe yourselves , I'd say that you probably have the upper hand in terms of looks and ...???
BL seems to be doin' just fine with being black in China and the world (??) - what happened to you??

OK you are Black, yes there is discrimination in this world and yes there is more discrimination in China.... so WHAT??? Get over it and get on with your life. Be proud of whatever you are and be a bit more tolerant. Stop all this whining.

And please stop this stupidity of correcting grammatical/spelling errors - or answering difficult questions by going on and on off tangent....and quoting and quoting ...and..... Just reinforces my perception of your ignorance and total disregard for common sense. And NO - just coz' you can write better and/or longer don't mean that you're gonna be seen as being more intelligent.

THAT.... is IMHO.....

SEAJ

I have been reading these posts regarding racism in China with quite a bit of humour.

I am an American and white. I first came to China in 1984. In those days, I caused traffic accidents (in those days traffic accidents were 30 bicycles colliding). In the past I have been overcharged for apartments, food, frolicking and fucking compared to the local populus. I have been spat upon after the Serbian fiasco, but I have also been given many things by the locals because I am different.

I have lived or stayed a long time in Ghana, Syria, Thailand and Indo. I have been spit on, ridiculed, refused service, and beaten (Syria). None of this affects me one iota because I deal with the people I deal with and take them as they are, and forget about the jerks.

I can understand if you are black and from a western country being more sensitive to race and discrimination. I can understand how that experience never leaves someone and you clan and others may be more sensitive wherever you go. But, I think it is about time you realized that you are not in the UK, US or some other western country. You are in China. China is 96% Han Chinese. You are different as am I as is an Indian or Filippino. The ignorant masses in any mono-ethnic country will always feel their culture superior and discriminate against those who are different and do not understand.

The only reaction that is plausible for you is to recognize that you are not in Birmingham (US or UK) any more and learn to get along with the culture around you - learn the language, charm, and traditions - and forgive and forget ignorance, or go back to Birmingham.

[QUOTE=Softy]I have been reading these posts regarding racism in China with quite a bit of humour.

.[/QUOTE]
Good post Softy - and Wow - 1984 .... which is the same year (or was it 1983) when I first went into China.

I'd like to think that I am as unbigoted as it is possible - whether its race, economic, religious or whatever - and which I think is the direct result of my being educated in the 60's in the States. To me, that was an era when everybody was practically forced to confront, understand/study and make one's mind up on these matters - alongside Making Love not War! Yup, those were the days! At least it was for me!!

And talkin' about "incidence" in the past - here I was right smack in the middle of the Bible Belt, in mid 60's, when I finished my shift and walked into the lunch room at the bakery I was working at. In there was approx 15 black guys, all waiting for their shift to start - and even without thinking, - I just said "Jeezz - you guys are all different color blacks!"

Now, come to think of it, even if I did have a chance to think before opening up my mouth, I really wouldn't have thought anything of it - as what did I - basically Fresh Off the Boat from Asia - know then???!!

Anyway, Ohmigawd, I never saw so many angry faces all staring at me at the same time, before one, two, three - and God knows how many more - wallops landed on me poor young body!! A few of the guys who knew me a bit better came to my rescue and shouted at those raining blows on me "Hey hey, come on Long Dong (which is the nickname they used to call me - to rhyme with "Hong Kong!" Jeez!!) don't know no better. Stop it, Stop it!

And YES, I really didn't know any better. True story. Ignorance - plain ole pure ignorance on my part. And totally without any malice...

Clan - why cain't you see that lots of what happens to you is pure ignorance....just like what I just relayed. And even if some of the things that happens to you IS with malice - so what??!!! And actually - What can you do??? You're a guest in a country of over 1.3 billion Chinese. don't forget that!

On top of that, there ARE gonna be people who you just don't wanna have anything to do w/you - no matter what color you or he/she is. Just like your story about you in Macau. Hell, I'd probably also told you to go away under the same circumstances - especially since the guy himself is out of town (How the hell does he know how to get to the airport?). and WHY should I answer you anything? I don't owe you anything! Remember that - noboby owes you nuthin'

SEAJ

[QUOTE=Santa]How about a tall and slender sichuanese white tiger, with pink nipples and a very tight twat!

Hey, where's that kind of pussy at?[/QUOTE]
Hey Santa - she's the one I pointed out to you a week or so ago at Baby's shop. 100% to spec.

SEAJ

[QUOTE=Santa]How about a tall and slender sichuanese white tiger, with pink nipples and a very tight twat!

Hey, where's that kind of pussy at?[/QUOTE]Santa.

This is one of my sichuan freebies.. approx 5'8", according to your specs and multi orgasmic.

smooth enough for you? She actually been a bad girl recently maybe you could teach her how to be good.

stat. 35 year old MILF, very tight snatch, pinky nips, at times can be a bit of a nympho and her husband is working so much and do not know what the heck he is missing.

[QUOTE=Eaglestar]
BTW, I agree totally with your comments regarding Clandestine and discrimination here in Asia. He is in [b]my ignore list[/b] as I view his posts as a waste of bandwidth.
ES[/QUOTE]

No, no, no - don't do that! He might actually contribute one day and even post some pix - who else but you to then photoshop them :D

[QUOTE=Eaglestar]
BTW, I agree totally with your comments regarding Clandestine and discrimination here in Asia. He is in my ignore list as I view his posts as a waste of bandwidth.

ES[/QUOTE]

After review, I second the motion.

MAB

[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]Clan:
The one thing you've done for me is to remind me once again to never engage the ignorants - as its a total waste of time.

You quote all sorts of books, references, people; Don't you have your OWN opinion? Where's your own common sense?? What... quote and quote ... just to show everybody how well read you are? How intelligent you are??

All it shows to me is that you ain't got a lick of sense. That you are just an empty vessel sprouting off other's opinions and beliefs.

Why dontcha LEARN when you read, be challenged by new and opposing ideas - instead of just selectively chosing things that backs up your already held beliefs? Didn't your Momma and Poppa teach you nuthin' about getting along in this world?

For one, why dontcha read Boss Love's approach to life in China AND in general. From the way that the both of you describe yourselves , I'd say that you probably have the upper hand in terms of looks and ...???
BL seems to be doin' just fine with being black in China and the world (??) - what happened to you??

OK you are Black, yes there is discrimination in this world and yes there is more discrimination in China.... so WHAT??? Get over it and get on with your life. Be proud of whatever you are and be a bit more tolerant. Stop all this whining.

And please stop this stupidity of correcting grammatical/spelling errors - or answering difficult questions by going on and on off tangent....and quoting and quoting ...and..... Just reinforces my perception of your ignorance and total disregard for common sense. And NO - just coz' you can write better and/or longer don't mean that you're gonna be seen as being more intelligent.

THAT.... is IMHO.....

SEAJ[/QUOTE]
It is dangerous to make assertions based on "common sense" or try to put forth one's own opinion as fact. It suffers from availability bias.

[QUOTE=Clandestine782][b] It suffers from availability bias.[/b][/QUOTE]

Five words that make absolutely no sense....you just don't get it.

ROFLMAO

Availability bias is a psychological phenomenon concerning the nature of memory. Basically, it says that people are likely to overestimate the possibility of something happening because it is more memorable. The classic example used is airplane accidents. Travel by air is by far safer than travel by car. But because air accidents tend to be far more memorable, it makes people believe it is far more likely to happen than it actually is. Some people actually buy extra life insurance before getting on an airplane, but never think to do so before getting in a car, even with a crazy cab driver in China.

Sociologists blame a good part of availability bias on the media. Things like mass hysteria is a form of availability bias. Superstition commonly has its roots in availability bias. Economists blame a good portion of stock market volatility on availability bias.

The air vs. car travel is just one simple example. Availability bias is a lot broader than just airplane accidents. It basically leads to gross errors in cause and effect and probability.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Five words that make absolutely no sense....you just don't get it.

ROFLMAO[/QUOTE]Maybe YOU don't get it. Moody did the right thing and went directly to a dictionary to look the word up and find out what it meant. Do you know how to use a dictionary properly? Maybe you can have someone read my posts to you so that they can help you with the words that you don't know.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Availability_heuristic[/url]
[url]http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-availability-bias.htm[/url]

[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]Good post Softy - and Wow - 1984 .... which is the same year (or was it 1983) when I first went into China.

I'd like to think that I am as unbigoted as it is possible - whether its race, economic, religious or whatever - and which I think is the direct result of my being educated in the 60's in the States. To me, that was an era when everybody was practically forced to confront, understand/study and make one's mind up on these matters - alongside Making Love not War! Yup, those were the days! At least it was for me!!

And talkin' about "incidence" in the past - here I was right smack in the middle of the Bible Belt, in mid 60's, when I finished my shift and walked into the lunch room at the bakery I was working at. In there was approx 15 black guys, all waiting for their shift to start - and even without thinking, - I just said "Jeezz - you guys are all different color blacks!"

Now, come to think of it, even if I did have a chance to think before opening up my mouth, I really wouldn't have thought anything of it - as what did I - basically Fresh Off the Boat from Asia - know then???!!

Anyway, Ohmigawd, I never saw so many angry faces all staring at me at the same time, before one, two, three - and God knows how many more - wallops landed on me poor young body!! A few of the guys who knew me a bit better came to my rescue and shouted at those raining blows on me "Hey hey, come on Long Dong (which is the nickname they used to call me - to rhyme with "Hong Kong!" Jeez!!) don't know no better. Stop it, Stop it!

And YES, I really didn't know any better. True story. Ignorance - plain ole pure ignorance on my part. And totally without any malice...

Clan - why cain't you see that lots of what happens to you is pure ignorance....just like what I just relayed. And even if some of the things that happens to you IS with malice - so what??!!! And actually - What can you do??? You're a guest in a country of over 1.3 billion Chinese. don't forget that!

On top of that, there ARE gonna be people who you just don't wanna have anything to do w/you - no matter what color you or he/she is. Just like your story about you in Macau. Hell, I'd probably also told you to go away under the same circumstances - especially since the guy himself is out of town (How the hell does he know how to get to the airport?). and WHY should I answer you anything? I don't owe you anything! Remember that - noboby owes you nuthin'

SEAJ[/QUOTE]
Ok, if the guy was from out of town, what would the problem have been with saying "I don't know"? I didn't say that anyone owed me anything. (Did you read my having said that anywhere?) But what is the problem with expecting common courtesy? If someone asks me for directions, I would simply say that I didn't know (if I didn't). That guy was being that way for the sake of trying to make a point. (The same way that many other Chinese people will behave to try to make the point that "I am better than you." His response served no other purpose.) Even when I go someplace and speak with other black people (who I know for a fact are pretty rude and combative people), they will usually respond to a simple request either with information or by saying that they don't. How unreasonable is that to ask? What I had asserted earlier (and what I will assert again) is that in the case that you have some people who have some sense of superiority that they are trying to salvage (and this is DEFINITELY China), they will do a lot of nasty things for the sake of making a point. That was the whole point of the Jim Crow laws in the South. If you read a lot of incidents that happen in India (on Reuters, for example), you can see a lot of cases where people will do things JUST to make that point. (I am thinking back to a recently reported case where a man killed a little girl because she walked on a pathway that was reserved for higher caste people.) It is not just incidents that have to do with color. I remember another day when I was passing immigration and someone asked me where I was from. (This was a Mainland Chinese guy, so you know what was coming next.) I said "America," and he responded with something about the US having a very short history. Where the fuck did that come from? (If you have a very short history and have learned from it-- like, say, Singapore-- then it might be better than having a very long history and not EVER learning from past mistakes--i.e., China.)[quote]All it shows to me is that you ain't got a lick of sense. That you are just an empty vessel sprouting off other's opinions and beliefs.[/quote]The articles that I referred you to were backed up by (and based off of) FACTS. Get your story straight. The fact that there is a shortage of women in China is a FACT. (That was what started this, wasn't it?) The fact that men in China pay a lot of money for sex is a FACT. The fact that China started a long decline from the time of the Tang Dynasty is a FACT.
[quote]
Why dontcha LEARN when you read, be challenged by new and opposing ideas - instead of just selectively chosing things that backs up your already held beliefs? Didn't your Momma and Poppa teach you nuthin' about getting along in this world?[/quote]"New and opposing ideas" is not the same thing as presenting contrary facts to the existing evidence. And for what it is worth, what you have observed about the situation of black people in China will never be even a small fraction of what I have experienced, because I do it every day. End of discussion and, frankly, end of my interest in this matter.

[QUOTE=Clandestine782] Moody did the right thing and went directly to a dictionary to look the word up and find out what it meant. [/QUOTE]

Didn't need to look in a dictionary, already knew what it was from a corporation finance class lesson about tulips in Holland.

I appreciate your clarification........

What is your point?

You seem to have two:

1. Chinese people openly express their viewpoint that their culture is superior? Well, welcome to China. In my experience, it does not happen often in such an in your face, rude manner that you describe, but it does. I will say, that you will have to learn to pay homage to the Chinese culture and history, in some manner, in every business meeting you attend.

2. That people make comments about Americans that express a variety of negative opinions and/or emotions these days? Well, welcome to international travel as an American circa 2008.

As I attempted to state below: You cannot control what they say, only how you react to it. Reacting with grace and charm will always pave a more even and prosperous path for you. React with anger, defensiveness, entitlement, hubris, or arrogance, and your path in China (or anywhere else for that matter) will be twisty and rough. That is not an opinion, it is simply advice.


[QUOTE=Clandestine782]Ok, if the guy was from out of town, what would the problem have been with saying "I don't know"? I didn't say that anyone owed me anything. (Did you read my having said that anywhere?) But what is the problem with expecting common courtesy? If someone asks me for directions, I would simply say that I didn't know (if I didn't). That guy was being that way for the sake of trying to make a point. (The same way that many other Chinese people will behave to try to make the point that "I am better than you." His response served no other purpose.) Even when I go someplace and speak with other black people (who I know for a fact are pretty rude and combative people), they will usually respond to a simple request either with information or by saying that they don't. How unreasonable is that to ask? What I had asserted earlier (and what I will assert again) is that in the case that you have some people who have some sense of superiority that they are trying to salvage (and this is DEFINITELY China), they will do a lot of nasty things for the sake of making a point. That was the whole point of the Jim Crow laws in the South. If you read a lot of incidents that happen in India (on Reuters, for example), you can see a lot of cases where people will do things JUST to make that point. (I am thinking back to a recently reported case where a man killed a little girl because she walked on a pathway that was reserved for higher caste people.) It is not just incidents that have to do with color. I remember another day when I was passing immigration and someone asked me where I was from. (This was a Mainland Chinese guy, so you know what was coming next.) I said "America," and he responded with something about the US having a very short history. Where the fuck did that come from? (If you have a very short history and have learned from it-- like, say, Singapore-- then it might be better than having a very long history and not EVER learning from past mistakes--i.e., China.)The articles that I referred you to were backed up by (and based off of) FACTS. Get your story straight. The fact that there is a shortage of women in China is a FACT. (That was what started this, wasn't it?) The fact that men in China pay a lot of money for sex is a FACT. The fact that China started a long decline from the time of the Tang Dynasty is a FACT.
"New and opposing ideas" is not the same thing as presenting contrary facts to the existing evidence. And for what it is worth, what you have observed about the situation of black people in China will never be even a small fraction of what I have experienced, because I do it every day. End of discussion and, frankly, end of my interest in this matter.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Clandestine782] And for what it is worth, what you have observed about the situation of black people in China will never be even a small fraction of what I have experienced, because I do it every day. End of discussion and, frankly, end of my interest in this matter.[/QUOTE]
clandestine - I talked about ignorance and that the way to handle it is just to ignore it. I guess I will just ignore you.

You;ll never get it

SEAJ

At a small club in CP, we were politely told that unless we were Japanese, we were not welcome there. It's on the road across the street from the Hui Mei.

-CPE

[QUOTE=CPExpat]At a small club in CP, we were politely told that unless we were Japanese, we were not welcome there. It's on the road across the street from the Hui Mei.

-CPE[/QUOTE]Discrimination exist everywhere. Some experience it more than other. I just find it a waste of time dwelling on it. If an establishment discriminate against myself, I will just take my money elsewhere where it is appreciated. Not everyone will like everything. We all discriminate in one form or another. It can be viewed as personal choice or preference.

If I were to be angry at every little thing, I think that I will die of stress.

In terms of mongering, a WG has a preference whom she does it with. If a mommy forces a WG on a customer, I think that it is wrong. I personally knows some asian princess living in the states that would only date within their race or just white, philipino. And the list goes on. If you like someone, sometimes the feelings are not mutual. So why would you want to force yourself on a person that does not like you. Forcing is wrong. Clearly wrong, it does not matter that she is a WG/SW.

Discrimination usually comes from people that are ignorant and tends to listen to other concerning stereotyping an item. My advice, if you are discriminated. Just move on. Why waste your time and effort and move on to greener pasture.

Like Santa. I discriminate against hairy pussy and hair armpits. I just prefer the 'white tiger'. I find this more as a personal preference.

Clandestine. I really do understand about discrimination. It exist everywhere. Even here in America. If I sat back and thought about it, yes. It will stress me out. I prefer to just move on.

[QUOTE=CPExpat]At a small club in CP, we were politely told that unless we were Japanese, we were not welcome there. It's on the road across the street from the Hui Mei.

-CPE[/QUOTE]

You should probably be grateful that they did not want you in their club. Let the Japanese enjoy their overpriced clubs and leave the local talent to those who care.

For many historical reasons, Japanese are not well liked in China. Also the Japanese tend to be big spenders.

If you want to go to Japanese style club, be prepared to burn your cash. I am sure you can stay in Japanese style club but it will cost you 100RMB to sit down and all drinks/entertainment will be overpriced too. Why bother?

Let the Japanese stay in their entertainment clubs overpaying for their entertainment. You should enjoy the local talent without breaking your budget. Just my POV.

My experience with Japanese clubs comes fomr Dalian and Qingdao where there are many of these places. They don't want us non-Japanese and we probably don't want to go there anyways.

In some ways discimination can work in our favor too!

[QUOTE=BossLove72]
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Thanks to the others, who do realize that people do suffer slings and arrows everyday, not just me but so many others. I know ABC's, BBC's & CBC's who can't get a job to teach English when I see so many people who can't even speak a proper English sentence get a job, because they are blue eyed and blond. Go figure! It's sadly a fact of life. It is how we deal with it. As I have said before, don't let them get the best of you. When you do, they win and everyone loses.
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The perception is if the Chinese people see a white person teaching English, then the school or class must be good. As long as he/she is white and speaks English, they will get hired before any ABC, BBC or CBC. The administration doesn’t really care if someone like a French person with English as his second language, just as long he/she is white and speaks English. I can see most of his students speaking English with a heavy heavy French accent after a few years.

Now an ABC, BBC and CBC who speaks perfect English, college degree with great credentials, how can someone who barely speaks English bypass them? The school believes( perception ) Chinese people seeing any Chinese person can’t teach English. Again, people will first think seeing a white person rather than a Chinese, the school or class must be good, giving a false impression.

I know four who applied for teaching jobs and three didn’t get any offers. One girl got an offer teaching in Southern China but turned it down later. A fifth, I recall an ISG member told me he was turned down for a teaching job too but he is Chinese Maylaysian. Now, is this discrimination?

Edit: Sorry for using a French person as an example. It could have been just any non-Asian nationality.

Yellow Fever 2,

I'm assuming you are Chinese or a Korean who can pass for Japanese, right? If you aren't how did you get in?

[QUOTE=Weelock]Now, is this discrimination?[/QUOTE]
You bet. It is the discrimination of marketing. Working with stereotypes to sell a product. It is my firm believe that many white foreign teachers are hired for marketing purposes first and teaching abilities second.

What are the usual requirements for becoming an English teacher again? A bachelor degree in anything (liberal arts anyone? Sewage engineering? Counter terrorism?) and being a native. I deleted "speaker" there because to sell the exotic product which the English language is you got to look like one of those funny exotic natives over there. You know, the ones with the big noses and those funny coloured eyes and hair.

Can anyone explain to me though why they ask for that generic bachelor degree? My guess is it has something to do with visa or labour regulations.

Watching a bunch of Chinese kids speaking English with a Pakistani/Indian accent.

It's fucking Hilarious just to imagine and I have heard it.

I can imagine them growing to be technical support people working for U.S. companies outsourcing to China. The "Patrick" that you heard now on the other line for tech support may not be Gupta but One Way Wong.

Bill

P.S. Not bad reflection on the P/I people. It's just as funny as Chinese kids speaking English with a French accent.


[QUOTE=Weelock]The perception is if the Chinese people see a white person teaching English, then the school or class must be good. As long as he/she is white and speaks English, they will get hired before any ABC, BBC or CBC. The administration doesn’t really care if someone like a French person with English as his second language, just as long he/she is white and speaks English. I can see most of his students speaking English with a heavy heavy French accent after a few years.

Now an ABC, BBC and CBC who speaks perfect English, college degrees with great credentials, how can someone who barely speaks English bypass them? The school believes( perception ) Chinese people seeing any Chinese person can’t teach English. Again, people will first think seeing a white person rather than a Chinese, the school or class must be good, giving a false impression.

I know four who applied for teaching jobs and three didn’t get any offers. One girl got an offer teaching in Southern China but turned it down later. A fifth, I recall an ISG member told me he was turned down for a teaching job too but he is Chinese Maylaysian. Now, is this discrimination?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cowa Banga]Yellow Fever 2,

I'm assuming you are Chinese or a Korean who can pass for Japanese, right? If you aren't how did you get in?[/QUOTE]

CB,

I am a purebread homeboy from the Western lands. I stand out like a sore thoumb everywhere I go. I don't look or act Japanese/Korean or Chinese.

In Northern reaches of China where there are lots of Japanese and Korean investments, there are many Jap/Kor clubs.

In those cities, you will rarely find J/K people in normal mongering areas, likewise non J/K mongers rarely visit their establishments. J/K people tend to overpay and so the clubs charge high sitting fees, high drink fees and the girls charge high service fees. You really don't want to go there as there are better places to go.

My knowledge is not direct as I had little interest in visiting these places. I fear things I do not understand and I have had troubles in Northern cities in the past - once in KTV and once in Sauna that ended ugly.

My 'knowledge' of these places comes from bar owners in Dalian who told me the deal of the Jap clubs in Dalian and also from a Chinese hostess in a Japanese club who I denjoyed one evening.

Finally, I have another homeboy forum monger friend who visited Japan and found that the local Japanese girls were untouchable to foreigners in Japan.

My recommendation, stay away and enjoy the recommended places.

[QUOTE=Yellow Fever #2]
Finally, I have another homeboy forum monger friend who visited Japan and found that the local Japanese girls were untouchable to foreigners in Japan.
[/QUOTE]

Nonsense. Foreigners (especially the Western kind) are very popular with JP girls, because foreigners usually treat them better than Japanese men. I speak from experience: My wife is Japanese.

IMHO, a Japanese girl is pure bliss.

Funny, Japanese girls have an expression for western men who are into Japanese girls: They suffer from a bad case of Yellow Fever.

[QUOTE=Zhuren]Nonsense. Foreigners (especially the Western kind) are very popular with JP girls, because foreigners usually treat them better than Japanese men. I speak from experience: My wife is Japanese.

IMHO, a Japanese girl is pure bliss.

Funny, Japanese girls have an expression for western men who are into Japanese girls: They suffer from a bad case of Yellow Fever.[/QUOTE]


Cool. He said that the Japanese girls were beautiful with especially nice legs but that the Japanese men are jealous and dont want foreigners to touch their women. He found it very difficult to monger in Japan. He said many places tried to pass off Chinese girls as Japanese.

BTW, my wife is Chinese.

Zhuren,

I've never been to Japan but I have a friend(white) who has. According to him, in areas like Roppangi(expats, tourists, white trash, Nigerians), you will find a ton of Japanese girls who want to party with gaijings. However, he said the quality of girls in those places is quite bad.

According to him, unless you have a real job(not an English teacher), have a few Japanese buddies or are a young handsome college student, the chances of you hooking up with a hot quality Japanese girl is quite low.

I think Japan has gotten past--Oh look, it's a gaijing--he's so special.

Yellow Fever 2,

I heard most of the girls who work in Japan are Filipinas or Thais.

[QUOTE=Cowa Banga]Zhuren,

I've never been to Japan but I have a friend(white) who has. According to him, in areas like Roppangi(expats, tourists, white trash, Nigerians), you will find a ton of Japanese girls who want to party with gaijings. However, he said the quality of girls in those places is quite bad.

According to him, unless you have a real job(not an English teacher), have a few Japanese buddies or are a young handsome college student, the chances of you hooking up with a hot quality Japanese girl is quite low.

I think Japan has gotten past--Oh look, it's a gaijing--he's so special.
[/QUOTE]

Never trust hearsay. Always check it out yourself. Japan is full of girls who absolutely favor a foreigner (preferably Western) male. There is a large selection of highly educated, beautiful, and successful females who cannot find a Japanese husband or BF, simply because they are successful. If they have worked or studied abroad, they are viewed as a threat by JP males, because they have tasted freedom and may refuse to wait for their husband with slippers in their hands. (My wife has a selection of beautiful friends who look for suitors - send in in your CV and your last three tax returns.)

Japan is not a 3rd world country. Living standards, prices, and aspirations are high. You definitely need "a real job" if you want to land a good one. If you want to a roll in the hay for free, definitely go to Roppongi. Hang out at Heartland or Motown, and you shall find. Wouldn't say the quality of the girls is bad. The ones who hang out there simply are seeking some romance and a hard dick that is bigger than the pinkie-sized appendage of their JP compatriots.

Zhuren,

Thanks for your take on the scene in Japan.

My friend who is a fighter went to Japan to train and to meet people who run Pride.

Well, he partied in Roppangi for about two weeks and loved it until his Japanese buddies showed him around the non-gaijin areas of Tokyo. He said it was like night and day in terms of quality of the ladies. He also said, never tell people that you met your 'girlfriend' at Roppangi.

Are you an expat?

[QUOTE=Cowa Banga]Zhuren,

Thanks for your take on the scene in Japan.
He said it was like night and day in terms of quality of the ladies. He also said, never tell people that you met your 'girlfriend' at Roppangi.

Are you an expat?[/QUOTE]If you told friends that you met your gf in Roppongi, most people who knows the area would think that she is a WG. Not too many people will tell others that their gf worked in one of those places.

As I said: Go there yourself.

My initial comments werre to Yellow Fever who had voiced the - also second hand - opinion that Japanese ladies are "untouchable to foreigners." Couldn't be farther from the truth.

And now we are discussing where to find the best ones :)

I can recommend to anyone to go to Japan. You'll be discriminated badly by bar owners who won't let you in. Japanese men will hate you, because you take their girs away. Gilrs wll love you if you treat them nicely. No wonder, Japanese men are [URL=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25209226//wid/11915829?GT1=40006] a big market for this [/URL].

Yes , I'm an official, gaijin card carrying expat ....




[QUOTE=Cowa Banga]Zhuren,

Thanks for your take on the scene in Japan.

My friend who is a fighter went to Japan to train and to meet people who run Pride.

Well, he partied in Roppangi for about two weeks and loved it until his Japanese buddies showed him around the non-gaijin areas of Tokyo. He said it was like night and day in terms of quality of the ladies. He also said, never tell people that you met your 'girlfriend' at Roppangi.

Are you an expat?[/QUOTE]

Zhuren,

"Japanese men will hate you, because you take their girs away" -- God, you sound like a typical expat. But hey, it's your fanasty, Admiral Perry.

[QUOTE=Cowa Banga]Zhuren,

"Japanese men will hate you, because you take their girs away" -- God, you sound like a typical expat. But hey, it's your fanasty, Admiral Perry.[/QUOTE]Many of the girls that goes strictly with laowais are already viewed as reject by many Asian/Chinese guys already. I have nothing against laowais or expats but that type of mentality exist. I love that quote from Admiral Perry.

Bnlee2,

Racism in Japan is a complicated issue and deserves a mature and thought out explanation. If someone wants to believe that the average Japanese guy is losing sleep over some Nova English teacher, that's their right. However, I find it quite comical.

So why are there no gaijin clubs in Japan? Could it be that some gaijins don't know how to act or cause too much trouble? Naw, that's not it. They are a bunch of cockblockers. Are there Japanese men who cockblock? Of course.

If a person wants to fanasty that he is hung like a horse, that's his right, too.

There are many bars/clubs that serves laowais, gaijin, or whatever ethnicities. I usually find those places total ripoff. The girls are not any more better. Beautiful or whatever. I have seen some of the WG's there and find them subpar.

You are usually paying up the gazoo for nothing but smokes. But if you are willing to pay for it. They will take your money. For me I rather spend it at a place where the management appreciate my business with NO prejudice.

Just my POV

[QUOTE=Cowa Banga] [B]Racism in Japan is a complicated issue and deserves a mature and thought out explanation.[/B][/QUOTE]

Wow. Read that sentence a few times and insert your most or least favorite country:

"Racism under Hitler was a complicated issue and deserves a mature and thought out explanation.."

"Racism during the Apartheit regime in South Africa was a complicated issue and deserves a mature and thought out explanation."

"Racism and ethnic cleansing in Kosovo was a complicated issue and deserves a mature and thought out explanation."

What a pile of crap. Racism is racism. It doesn’t need to be explained or explained away. Racism exists in most places of the world. Racism is a disease which has killed billions of people over the centuries. It’s a disease for which nobody is trying to find a cure.

As far as Japan goes: I am married to a fine Japanese lady. We maintain an apartment in Tokyo. We don’t need any lectures. I won’t lose any sleep over racism in Japan or elsewhere. I have accepted the existence of raciscm as I have accepted the existence of cancer.

[QUOTE=Cowa Banga]So why are there no gaijin clubs in Japan? Could it be that some gaijins don't know how to act or cause too much trouble? Naw, that's not it. They are a bunch of cockblockers. ..[/QUOTE]

First of all, there are those clubs. You need to get out more. I could name you a bunch of Tokyo swing clubs (which we regularly frequent) where gaijin couples – or single men – happily copulate with Japanese.

And apart from your generalizations - which are always dangerous, and smack of racism – you involuntarily proved the point you are trying to debate. I have added a helpful link to the slang word [URL=http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cockblocker] “cockblocker.” [/URL]

According to the Urban Dictionary, a cockblocker is “a person who interferes with another’s chance of getting laid.” The less irreverent [URL=http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cockblock] Wiktionary [/URL] defines a cockblocker as "a person who deliberately or inadvertently makes impossible another's intended goal of sexual intercourse."

Been cockblocked lately? Lack of [URL=http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nookie] nookie [/URL] is known to make men aggressive.

Zhuren,

If you want to compare South Africa's Apartheit System and Germany's Nazism to a few no gaijin bars in Japan, you have that right. However, I find it quite comical. The racism in Japan goes beyond skin color. Could be that some gaijins just don't know how to act hence the no gaijin clubs in Japan? Here's a suggestion for ya. The next time you see a drunk, loud, mouth expat or tourist, tell him to shut the fuck up because he is fucking it up for you.

Are there Japanese men who are xenophobic? Of course there are. Are there Japanese men who cockblock? You bet. According to you, the racism in Japan stems from jealous Japanese men who are cockblocking because gaijin men are going to snake their women. Your words not mine. Talk about hubris. It must be an expat thing.

I'm not as lucky as you with your Brad Pitt smile and John Holmes size cock so I rub one out every day. Thanks for asking.

Like I said earlier, it your fanasty, Admiral Perry...

[QUOTE=Cowa Banga]Zhuren,

If you want to compare South Africa's Apartheit System and Germany's Nazism to a few no gaijin bars in Japan, you have that right. According to you, the racism in Japan stems from jealous Japanese men who are cockblocking because gaijin men are going to snake their women. Your words not mine. Talk about hubris. It must be an expat thing. Like I said earlier, it your fanasty, Admiral Perry. [/QUOTE]Everytime I hear a gweilo that thinks that way. I just smile. I think that it is an expat thing. I do agreed with you. Everyone is allow to have an imagination. Some has more than other. With that way of thinking, consider working for Disney. They need people with wild imagination.

The superiority complex has existed for centuries and that is one of the main backbone that causes crises and war. It is crazy to imagine why one thinks they are superior than other.

This is not to flame anyone but just a humble point of view.

Bnlee2,

He's stuck in some kind of expat cocoon. I bet most if not all of his friends are in bi racial relationships. I would also venture to say that he and his friends hang out in gaijin clubs where they meet Japanese women who fit their paradigm.

You know what is funny? The guy is lecturing me about racism while his responses are filled with racial hubris -- talk about hypocrisy.

If he wants to believe he is a rock star in the land of the rising sun, that's his deal. However, I get a chuckle out of it.

By the way, he isn't the first Perry that I've come across...

Well on all of my previous trips all I have had great expiriences with the local people and I have been going to China for a few years and I do go about every 6 to 8 weeks.

First expirience was in Shenzhen met a local girl from DIA and she suggested Coco Park, had a great time drinking and chatting etc. Although there are a lot of foreigners in this bar area they are all in groups or mixture of both foreign and local guys and girls. But I was the only white guy with a Chinese girl.

A few tables away there was a group of Chinese guys in their late 20's and one of them was pretty drunk and as they were leaving one of them delibretly bumped into me and said something in Chinese to me and although I didnt understand what he said I knew what he ment, my date seemed a bit taken aback and confirmed that this guy was upset as he didnt like foreigners taking local girls.

Next was in Shanghai, went to a new Bar with the locals had a table and we were having a great time, lots of girls dancing on poduims and one of them vas very attractive, got the one of the guys I was with said he will get her to come over to the table and got the bar person to get her off the podium, no problem she had a look and was very happy to come over and walked strait to one of the Chinese guys I was with but when he said no its for me the look on her face was priceless she was less then impressed.

So although I still had a great night on both occasions it just proves not all locals like foreigners.

Wizard

[QUOTE=Wizard561]So although I still had a great night on both occasions it just proves not all locals like foreigners.

Wizard[/QUOTE]
And guess what happened to our illustrious Santa just a couple nights ago when we went to the night market in CP?

I got off the bread van, followed by two other ABC's and the last one to get off was good ole Santa. As soon as Santa got off, one gal (amongst at least 30 who were waiting around displaying their "wares") actually screamed "Ayah- a Laowei" and got up to go back in the store.

When I saw this, I started chasing after her and shouting - "yeah yeah - he wants you" and that's when she really took off running away with a look of actual terror!!! Whilst here was Santa, not really knowing WHAT actually was happening - and with just about everybody - us guys as well as the other gals - laughing our heads off!

SEAJ

[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]And guess what happened to our illustrious Santa just a couple nights ago when we went to the night market in CP?

I got off the bread van, followed by two other ABC's and the last one to get off was good ole Santa. As soon as Santa got off, one gal (amongst at least 30 who were waiting around displaying their "wares") actually screamed "Ayah- a Laowei" and got up to go back in the store.

When I saw this, I started chasing after her and shouting - "yeah yeah - he wants you" and that's when she really took off running away with a look of actual terror!!! Whilst here was Santa, not really knowing WHAT actually was happening - and with just about everybody - us guys as well as the other gals - laughing our heads off!

SEAJ[/QUOTE]

Well, I can't bag them all. But hey, Joe, the one you "love", the one you was with in the coffee shop, I know where she works, and I bet she would be happy to sit on Santa's knee. And I have a very nice toy for her to play with! :D

[QUOTE=Santa]Well, I can't bag them all. But hey, Joe, the one you "love", the one you was with in the coffee shop, I know where she works, and I bet she would be happy to sit on Santa's knee. And I have a very nice toy for her to play with! :D[/QUOTE]
Ohhhhhh..... now you've got me worried...really worried!

But on the other hand, she does need to go on earning and living whilst I'm away for the next month or so. And it's be best for her to be amused by sweet and cuddly Santa rahter than some other old codger!

Oh well Santa .... enjoy her... enjoy her lots...and do break your bank doing so...that way she won't be in great financial needs when I get back.

Ciao ciao

SEAJ

[QUOTE=Traveler1234].. to hate and despise Japan -- the younger generation is pretty oblivious to it. [/QUOTE]My limited experience tells me otherwise. The fact that the Japanese government, to this day, refuses to acknowledge having done anything wrong to the Chinese in the 20th century rubs a lot of younger Chinese people I know the wrong way.

Notable exception is Japanese prime minister Fukuda, who opposes prime minister visits to the Yasukuni shine, resting place of Japanese war criminals. Did I mention Fukuda is horribly unpopular in Japan? Wonder why?

EB

[QUOTE=Eyebrow777]My limited experience tells me otherwise. The fact that the Japanese government, to this day, refuses to acknowledge having done anything wrong to the Chinese in the 20th century rubs a lot of younger Chinese people I know the wrong way.

Notable exception is Japanese prime minister Fukuda, who opposes prime minister visits to the Yasukuni shine, resting place of Japanese war criminals. Did I mention Fukuda is horribly unpopular in Japan? Wonder why?

EB[/QUOTE]

Many young Chinese (and Taiwanese) admire, envy and yearn to be Japanese. They feel miffed if they get close enough to learn the Japanese attitude toward them.

Nevertheless they happily aspire to marry a Japanese to become familiar being called by the Japanese word for a Chinese (an equivalent to "nigger').

[QUOTE=Clean Gene]Many young Chinese (and Taiwanese) admire, envy and yearn to be Japanese. They feel miffed if they get close enough to learn the Japanese attitude toward them.

Nevertheless they happily aspire to marry a Japanese woman to become familiar being called by the Japanese word for a Chinese (an equivalent to "nigger').[/QUOTE]China and Taiwan should be treated differently.

Taiwan was occupied by Japan for years and has a very close affinity to Japan (partly because of the taiwanese hatred of the KMT mainlanders). Many Taiwanese families sent their children to Japan for education, etc. and there is a joke that goes: when japan sneezes, taiwan catches a cold.

My niece, who was born/raised/still lives in Taiwan is majoring in Japanese in college! And the younger generation continues with their affinity to anything japanese.

Mainland China and most of the older generation Chinese worldwide do share a common dislike for the japanese. My aunt, now deceased refused to buy anything a japanese, including a honda or toyota.

The younger generation(s) by and large don't have the same sense of 'history' although they are now more aware, especially given the recent sex junkets that took place in southern china two years ago...some of you might have remember the scandal that took place when a group of japanese businessmen rented a small hotel, hired a group of p4p females and then got caught with their pants down. One local native got a bullet for that!

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Mainland China and most of the older generation Chinese worldwide do share a common dislike for the japanese. My aunt, now deceased refused to buy anything a japanese, including a honda or toyota.

The younger generation(s) by and large don't have the same sense of 'history' although they are now more aware, especially given the recent sex junkets that took place in southern china two years ago...some of you might have remember the scandal that took place when a group of japanese businessmen rented a small hotel, hired a group of p4p females and then got caught with their pants down. One local native got a bullet for that![/QUOTE]I think "dislike" is too polite a word, by grandfather and grandmother (who escaped from Nanjing only days before the Japanese massacre there) hated the Japanese with a passion. Can say I blame them.

The younger generation in Shanghai and Beijing I find are mostly influenced by what they see in the media and many will purposely not buy or affiliate themselves with anything Japanese. For crying out loud they made the architects change the hole at the top of the World Financial Center in Shanghai because they said the circle looked too much like the Japanese flag!(the owner is Japanese).

[QUOTE=Cowa Banga]
So why are there no gaijin clubs in Japan? Could it be that some gaijins don't know how to act or cause too much trouble? Naw, that's not it. They are a bunch of cockblockers. Are there Japanese men who cockblock? Of course. [/QUOTE]

Nearly all the Filipina, Chinese and Russian clubs in Japan are foreigner friendly. Some you can just walk in, others you need to go with a local. It is only the majority of clubs with Japanese girls that are off limits. That said, the prices you have to pay to just sit with a girl in those places is ridiculous.

Just my POV.

OAH

[QUOTE=Bnlee2]Many of the girls that goes strictly with laowais are already viewed as reject by many Asian/Chinese guys already. I have nothing against laowais or expats but that type of mentality exist. I love that quote from Admiral Perry.[/QUOTE]

Not only "strictly", but sometimes ever. I have been in many a BBS where the mama wants me to make a quick decision and head to the room fast because she fears that she will lose Chinese business if they know her girls are doing laowais. Especially true in Shenzhen, not so much in the smaller towns.

OAH

[QUOTE=Yellow Fever #2] He said many places tried to pass off Chinese girls as Japanese.[/QUOTE]

Just happened to me in Tokyo a couple of months ago. Followed a tout (I know, I know) to a club in one building with the promise of a Japanese girl only to find the place full of Chinese girls.

OAH

P.S. Why are we talking about Japan on the China board?

[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]
P.S. Why are we talking about Japan on the China board?[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately (no - fortunately) Jackson cleaned up a number of posts so you may have missed the original Matsui San comment (which along with my reply has been deleted by J). It could have potentially led to WW III btwn the China and Japan :D

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Unfortunately (no - fortunately) Jackson cleaned up a number of posts so you may have missed the original Matsui San comment (which along with my reply has been deleted by J). It could have potentially led to WW III btwn the China and Japan :D[/QUOTE]

OLDASIAHAND,

I tried looking for a Cached in googles for some of the posts and couldn't find anything. Basically Matsui had some racial comments about Blacks and how the Japanese are the Master Race in Asian. Got off the subject of sex a little. Then some comments from other members replying back with some incidents by the Japanese which they claimed never happened.

I was going to reply back but never got around to it until now, asking him about forcing Chinese, Koreans and some Dutch to be comfort woman. The Japanese executed many at the end of the war to try to cover it up.

I heard the Japanese rewrote some history books to down play or tone down some of the bad incidents in history.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]China and Taiwan should be treated differently.

Taiwan was occupied by Japan for years and has a very close affinity to Japan (partly because of the taiwanese hatred of the KMT mainlanders). Many Taiwanese families sent their children to Japan for education, etc.[/QUOTE]

My father (born in China) and Grandfather (Missionary and businessman in China) have stories of Bai Zhong Xi and the Guangxi army which defeated the Japanese in a major battle (North China at start of WWII). The Japanese, using Taiwanese troops advanced to Guangxi and took revenge on the families of the Guangxi army. The KMT, after the war, gave Bai and the Guangxi army occupation rights in a part of Taiwan, and the rivers ran red with the blood of Taiwanese.

Many Taiwanese have feelings as strong as that of Southerners (against Sherman and his damnyankees).

[QUOTE=Clean Gene]

Many Taiwanese have feelings as strong as that of Southerners (against Sherman and his damnyankees).[/QUOTE]

No doubt the KMT treatment of Taiwan after being booted out of mainland China and landing in 'Formosa' remains a source of resentment against the mainlanders in Taiwan.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]No doubt the KMT treatment of Taiwan after being booted out of mainland China and landing in 'Formosa' remains a source of resentment against the mainlanders in Taiwan.[/QUOTE]

Can someone comment on this. Originally Taiwan belong to China but was given it to Japan and became Formosa. Formosa was occupied by the Japanese for many years. When the KMT or National Chinese came to Formosa after the Chinese Civil War, many Japanese never left. The Japanese were assimilated by the Chinese. Many Taiwanese have some Japanese ancestral background.


I have many Chinese friends who hate Taiwanese business men because they feel they are like slave drivers. The Taiwanese disrespect the mainland Chinese. Many Chinese think a good percentage of Taiwanese are really Japanese and they hate the Japanese. There are labor laws protecting workers but they are not really enforced and the Taiwanese take advantage of this.


For business the Taiwanese are stingy but I heard are very generous giving money to working girls.

[QUOTE=Weelock]Can someone comment on this. Originally [/QUOTE]

The history is long and better left to someone else.

It's hard to generalize on Taiwanese in China since so many live here (perhaps a million).

Let me describe a good friend. A Taiwanese born in Dongbei. His father was a senior Japanese army officer (a medical doctor) and an ethnic Taiwanese stationed in Dongbei during the war. His mother a nurse and ethnic Japanese. He speaks Japanese at home, but has native fluency in both Taiwanese and Mandarin. A graduate of Taida and PhD from a renowned American University. Served as professor at a couple of renowned American Universities. He is high in the Taiwanese independence movement and has residence in US, Taiwan and here on the mainland. He looks Japanese and usually speaks Japanese in Taiwan and here because he feels he gets better service. (I can attest to that when mongering with him in Shanghai.) He has great compassion and knowledge of Taiwan, Japan and China. He truly loves all three countries. I believe he is a citizen of the future East Asian Triangle.

[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]Not only "strictly", but sometimes ever. I have been in many a BBS where the mama wants me to make a quick decision and head to the room fast because she fears that she will lose Chinese business if they know her girls are doing laowais. Especially true in Shenzhen, not so much in the smaller towns.

OAH[/QUOTE]I was in Beijing last Saturday night strolling Wanfuqing Ave after 10pm, when the local Chinese crowds started disappearing [most Chinese stores close at 10pm or shortly thereafter] and there were several pushers singling out men for company. I wasn't looking but had the opportunity to engage in an enlightening conversation with a team of 2 pushers who were working together. Basically, they would call a mama-san and have the girl/s delivered to you, starting from $500RMD for a 60min session for which the pusher/s get about $50RMB. At one point, I pointed them to some fei-ren [blacks] for potential business and they pretty much sweared off them. I enquired why and the response was they have had occasions in the past where the gals were paid with fake US$100 bills. Hence, these pushers in Beijing are not seeking fei-ren for customers. They also indicated their preference is ethnic asians or hua-ziao (foreign asians/Chinese) since local Chinese would not likely need their help in securing gals. Don't know what the deal is with lao-weis but it's not high on their list but not at the bottom of the totem pole either since I was approached.

As a 50+ east-asian I was turned by the Lisboa hookers who were chasing[literally]Chinese. I spoke minimal Mandarin but I think they are "instructed"not to go with any body else. I stayed there 4 days and many knew I stayed at the hotel as I ate where they ate.

[QUOTE=Jayagopal50]As a 50+ east-asian I was turned by the Lisboa hookers who were chasing[literally]Chinese. I spoke minimal Mandarin but I think they are "instructed"not to go with any body else. I stayed there 4 days and many knew I stayed at the hotel as I ate where they ate.[/QUOTE]


The first time I was there years ago, the girls were very very aggressive. I have heard because of complains, they had to tone it down. I have seen a few go with non-Asians on several different times. The Gweilos usually have to make the first move. But if a girl is interested in you, she will approach and say something like, "Go to my room", in English. Depending on how you look and the girl, the asking price might be $1000 to 2000HKD. Then at least 80% of the time, you will get BAD service. Yes, I have also seen them shy away from non-Asian but if you want one and willing to pay, it is possible. In my opinion, it's not worth it.

[QUOTE=Jayagopal50]As a 50+ east-asian I was turned by the Lisboa hookers who were chasing[literally]Chinese. I spoke minimal Mandarin but I think they are "instructed"not to go with any body else. I stayed there 4 days and many knew I stayed at the hotel as I ate where they ate.[/QUOTE]

I have observed that too. In general, Chinese hookers seem to be a bit apprehensive with forigners. While some may be curious (and may even be eagered) to go out with white, most will reject Indians, Pakistanis and Blacks from Africa. It seems to be a culture thing, and I am afraid, has to do with skin color. The darker colour, the less desirable.

I had problems a number of time taking Indian and Arab clients to Karaoke bars.

The flip side was actually also a problem. Girls that go with Indians are also deemed to be dirty and low class. Me and 4 Indian guys took a girl back to our hotel and the girl was first hassled by the hotel security and then 2 chinese women called her a shamless ***** to her face as we were waiting for the elevator.

This problem is not just in China but also in Singapore. Most of the Chinese pimps will not let an Indian guy to check out their (Thai or Chinese) girls in Geyland. The only place where Chinese hookers will cater for Indians is in the Middle East. Not that they like it but they probably don't have much of a choice there.

[QUOTE=Le Grand]I have observed that too. In general, Chinese hookers seem not to be a bit apprehensive with forigners. While some may be curious (and may even be eagered) to go out with white, most will reject Indians, Pakistanis and Blacks from Africa. ..........

This problem is not just in China but also in Singapore. Most of the Chinese pimps will not let an Indian guy to check out their (Thai or Chinese) girls in Geyland. .[/QUOTE]

And its actully much worse in Hong Kong - where there is no longer such thing as the curiosity factor or money advantage associated with foreigners.

Indian/Pakistani are associated with the lower income strata as they had traditionally been employed by the British as Door men, bank guards, labourers..... even though there ARE plentiful rich Indo/Pakistani businessmen/traders. Things does not get any better with all the nefarious going-ons by habitues of Chung King Mansion in Tsim Sha Tsui - generally known as the Curry and foreign drug dealer's den of Hong Kong; and plentiful illegal overstayers working as free lance coolies in Cheungshawan, Mongkok etc

Then there is the recent case of this Indian guy going around and robbing/Killing these 141 gals that received wide coverage in the papers.

All that, plus the Chinese thinking (Prejudice!!) that all foreigners smell funky makes the Indo/Pakistani mongers' lot in Hong Kong a sad one.

SEAJ

[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]And its actully much worse in Hong Kong .....
All that, plus the Chinese thinking (Prejudice!!) that all foreigners smell funky makes the Indo/Pakistani mongers' lot in Hong Kong a sad one.

SEAJ[/QUOTE]

That is what made what I saw (twice) in Dubai pretty amazing .... gangbang session of Chinese wh**es by Indo/Pakistani construction supervisors. They do gangbang since not necessary because they like it but cost effective for the supervisors and the pimps can make the most $$$ during a (typically 2 hours) session.

While the workers themselves are virtual slaves living in very cramped dorms, the supervisors share more spacious apartment. They apparently have gangbang session with Chinese and African wh**res quite often. (Once I saw both Chinese and African at the same time. )

Talk about smell - particularly when some of the guys just came off their shifts. It was so gross that I declined participation on both occasions. In those cases it was the wh**es' and not the Indo/Pakistani mongers' lot a sad one.

This may be a bit off topic for China forum but it touches on Chinese hookers and you may find it facinating.

I was changing plane in Abu Dhabi recently in the middle of the night (most flights from UAE to Europe seems to leave around midnight). The airport is much smaller than that of Dubai.

I witnessed the most amazing scene of the arrival of modern day slave ships.

Jumbo jets were discharging hundreds of Indians, Bagadeshis, Nepalis, Pakistanis laborers into the transit lounge (pressumably heading off to Kuwait, Qatar and other GCC countries). It was clear most of those people had never been out of their countries, or on a plane for that matter, before. They huddled together into their national groups and looked pretty apprenhensive of their fate. The arabs guys in their white thobes and the women all covered up in black abaya can look pretty weird and scary to them - particularly the women that did not seem to walk but glide (since you cannot see their feet).

Then we have boat loads of maids from Indonesia and the Philipines .... and then the arrival of a group of 30 or so Chinese girls/women who did not look like maids. Based on their mannerism, I was quite certain they were prostitutes. Some of them were actually quite good looking (6 - 7) with a real stunner. Unlike the other asian groups, they did not seem to have a leader so I would assume they were mostly independents.

Finally, my Lufthansa flight from Frankfurt arrived and out come a group of well dressed European businessmen ... and, based on how scantily they dressed, a totally unmistakable group of eastern European prostitutes. The eyes of the laborers were bulging out of their heads! Hi ... me too!

The mix of humanity in that airport lounge in the middle of the night was pretty mind blowing. Reminded me of the lounge with all the aliens in the first Star War movie - except there were lots more of them!

Op is pathetic, he has standards that are higher than he can afford and he blames the Chinese for it.

Absolutely Pathetic.

The lot of you don't even realize that you are all merely walking money bags with the novelty of a fish, that can be easily discarded and disregarded as soon as the next punter with more money comes along.

Merely pawns in the money-making machine.

[QUOTE=Weelock]
I have many Chinese friends who hate Taiwanese business men because they feel they are like slave drivers. The Taiwanese disrespect the mainland Chinese. Many Chinese think a good percentage of Taiwanese are really Japanese and they hate the Japanese. There are labor laws protecting workers but they are not really enforced and the Taiwanese take advantage of this.

For business the Taiwanese are stingy but I heard are very generous giving money to working girls.[/QUOTE]


I find many Taiwanese businessmen to be BSDs when playing with WGs. With Taiwan's living expense and quality of life up and up, and China's still getting its bearing with cheap everything, it's easy for TW businessmen to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] away RMB like heck.

Well known history of Sun Yat's Nationalists fleeing China for TW to re-strategize for reunification makes TWese think that TW is China's true democracy country and Mainland is the evil Communist one. Of course, the US spurred this concept with inclusion to the UN which was a major victory for a tiny island with no identity. Now, no UN, hopes of reunification appearing fantasy-like, and during the 1990s to 2000's when TW's economy blossomed and became relevant to the west, pride for TW grew. I've heard TWese students insist that they're TWESE and NOT CHINESE quite often. TWese dialect became popular. Pretty much TW rules! Mainland is backwards, they old, they no cool, we don't like em, etc etc.

I've actually heard KTV girls not playing as much, claiming that's what PRC girls do and it's beneath them. Imports of PRC WGs for cheap prices and exploitation. TW WGs work in KTVs and slowly the prices skyrocketed and mongering is too damn expensive for the even the high-middle class.

It's not surprising the TWese factory owners treat the PRC workers like shit. Isn't that how first country imperialists treat third world developing countries? Slave labor? Child labor? Working long hours for like a US dollar a day? But for TWese owners to do that to PRC workers, that's inexcusable, since all are technically Chinese..

my .02 cents anyway.

[QUOTE=Le Grand]IThe only place where Chinese hookers will cater for Indians is in the Middle East. Not that they like it but they probably don't have much of a choice there.[/QUOTE]

Add to Middle East The Venetian in Macau, where girls are used to foreign customers, and I have seen a bunch of indian guys picking up there

Bruce,

Personally, I don't feel that those Taiwanese factory owners treat their workers any worse than a HK factory owner. In fact, I've been to many factories before, and at lease the Taiwanese factory owners will have a bed for each employee to sleep in. Some HK factory owners ask worker to sleep two per bed. I don't think they treat their PRC workers like shit, believe me, back in Taiwan, I'm sure they will treat their own Taiwanese workers like shit as well. It's just business, when it comes to how factories are Run.

However, in a KTV environment, that is a different story altogether. But people who act arrogant will always get their fair share in the end. HK or Taiwanese people who feel they are above PRC, will realize in 10 years time, that every Taiwanese or HK person will be begging for China tourists to flood their hometown with money to stimulate their economy. It's already happening now in Taiwan and HK. So much of their economy is linked to the prosperity of China. So they may act haughty now, but in 10 years time, everyone wants to be called Chinese. Not Taiwanese or Hong Kong person etc. It's only a matter of time. What goes around comes around. The ironies of life.

AsnDragon

[QUOTE=BruceTea]I find many Taiwanese businessmen to be BSDs when playing with WGs. With Taiwan's living expense and quality of life up and up, and China's still getting its bearing with cheap everything, it's easy for TW businessmen to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] away RMB like heck.

Well known history of Sun Yat's Nationalists fleeing China for TW to re-strategize for reunification makes TWese think that TW is China's true democracy country and Mainland is the evil Communist one. Of course, the US spurred this concept with inclusion to the UN which was a major victory for a tiny island with no identity. Now, no UN, hopes of reunification appearing fantasy-like, and during the 1990s to 2000's when TW's economy blossomed and became relevant to the west, pride for TW grew. I've heard TWese students insist that they're TWESE and NOT Chinese quite often. TWese dialect became popular. Pretty much TW rules! Mainland is backwards, they old, they no cool, we don't like them, etc etc.

I've actually heard KTV girls not playing as much, claiming that's what PRC girls do and it's beneath them. Imports of PRC WGs for cheap prices and exploitation. TW WGs work in KTVs and slowly the prices skyrocketed and mongering is too damn expensive for the even the high-middle class.

It's not surprising the TWese factory owners treat the PRC workers like shit. Isn't that how first country imperialists treat third world developing countries? Slave labor? Child labor? Working long hours for like a US dollar a day? But for TWese owners to do that to PRC workers, that's inexcusable, since all are technically Chinese.

My.02 cents anyway.[/QUOTE]

If you talk to Chinese people who lived in Shanghai during the 30's and 40's they will tell you that there were signs in what is now The Bund that read 'No Dogs or Chinese allowed'. These memories created a attitude which has not totally been erased. Many Chinese have gone past this -- but not all. By some we are tolerated, no more. You can confirm this view of laowei or help change it. Up to you.

[QUOTE=Waldeck2]If you talk to Chinese people who lived in Shanghai during the 30's and 40's they will tell you that there were signs in what is now The Bund that read 'No Dogs or Chinese allowed'. These memories created a attitude which has not totally been erased. Many Chinese have gone past this -- but not all. By some we are tolerated, no more. You can confirm this view of laowei or help change it. Up to you.[/QUOTE]
Strictly IMHO - but I believe that racism per Se is probably NOT the correct term to use in the context of China; I'd say its ALSO xenophobia, in that contact with the outside world had for a majority of the populace and for a majority of our life time had been practically non-existent (period between 1949 to the 1980's). This applies to at least a majority of the PRC Chinese.

This xenophobia is then let loose to go hog wild with the sense of euphoria that most Chinese feel at how our country had progressed during the past 20 odd years. Sure, there had been the slight here and there by unknowing foreign BSD's and know-it-all, and sure memories of Old shanghai and the foreign concessions is still fresh in the collective memory of those who are, even up to day, still unsure of their "standing' in the world order.

But such memory is sometimes quite distorted or even made up lore's. i.e. I've read that this supposed sign "No dogs or Chinese..." actually never existed - that photographic "evidence' of such had actually been made up just to stir up emotions - but then I've also heard that there are people who actually swears up and down that they've actually seen "the sign" with their own eyes (hmmmm.... know how to read Engrish huh??!) - who knows??!!

And then there is also quite correct re-collections at the Imperialistic attitude of the British in Hong Kong up to as late as the last part of the last century, how the Japanese trampled on everything and every place they conquered during WW2, how some businesses came over to China and totally disregarded any humanity in their pursuit for profits, even how unfairly the PRC government had been treated at the U.N. and the whole world stage - in favor of Taiwan and their "U.S. guided" government.

Oh sure, things may have changed (have they?) and sure the world is more "respecting" of China nowadays - but is everything really hunky Dorey? That if China and/or any Chinese falters just a bit - that the whole world is NOT going back to its old ways?

Like Asian Dragon says - he of the wizened age and old wisdom - what goes around comes around.

But then again, I'd say that we Chinese are probably one of the worst racist around - and not only racist, but economic bigots, bigots as to social order... would even discriminate between Northern, Southern, Western, City/Village, accents, how one dresses etc etc (the list goes on and on) -

"I AM better than......."

SEAJ

My great aunt, a wonderful woman missionary lady in Shanghai for much of her life. Crossed China three times bringing War Orphans from the Coast to Western China during the Japanese War, has SEEN THE SIGN AND HATED IT. She had dropped out of college with TB. Decided to get up out of bed and die in China preaching the "Glad Tidings". She lived to 98.

Hey all my fellow mongerers, I am new to the forum and noticed the China picture section and noticed a lot of very fine women. My question is being a Afro-American would it be worth it for me to go to China for the mongering scene, or will I encounter a lot of racism?

[QUOTE=Loe101]Hey all my fellow mongerers, I am new to the forum and noticed the China picture section and noticed a lot of very fine women. My question is being a Afro-American would it be worth it for me to go to China for the mongering scene, or will I encounter a lot of racism?[/QUOTE]Hi Loe101

A valid question. As what SEAJ has put it, xenophobia. In my opinion, this is a better word to describe the Chinese than racism. Most working girls will think twice before going out with a foreign. Thus, if you are fine taking rejection, I believe you should ok mongering there with someone to lead you. Not forgeting that with the langauge barrier, the probability of you being con or dupe is significantly higher.

Why no Bangkok? I believe there will be a better playground?

Will Robin thank you for that expaination, and yes Bangkok is definately in the works.

[QUOTE=Loe101]Hey all my fellow mongerers, I am new to the forum and noticed the China picture section and noticed a lot of very fine women. My question is being a Afro-American would it be worth it for me to go to China for the mongering scene, or will I encounter a lot of racism?[/QUOTE]

It's not so much a question of racism, but of sexual marketability.

Several working girls in China ranked the attractiveness of men suchly (from most to least)

American / Northern European White
South American / Southern European
Hong Kong / Singapore Chinese
Chinese
Black
Japanese

I know, this leaves out whole swaths of the world, but it was their list. It probably had as much to do with the perceived value of the wallet as with other things. As you know, rumor has it that the black man has a lot in his pants, and Chinese girls are usually paranoid about their pussies. The bigger the better doesn't work here. As you can see from the list, it's not the only explanation.

If you want the total opposite, go to Japan. Sexual marketability of blacks very high, especially in the J-Rap Japanese hip-hop scene, which is strong. They have a fine nose for Africans who want to pass themselves off as Americans, and the real thing. JP girls don't complain about their pussies, which sometimes are smaller than those of their Chinese sisters.

P4P is expensive in Japan, and fraught with what we would call unabashed racism against ALL foreigners. However, your chances of getting something for free are very high in Japan. They might want to keep you as a trophy boy.

Back in China, it depends on where you are. The big cities are more open, in the sticks you may be the first black man they have seen, and they run away.

[QUOTE=Zhuren]It's not so much a question of racism, but of sexual marketability.

Several working girls in China ranked the attractiveness of men suchly (from most to least)

American / Northern European White
South American / Southern European
Hong Kong / Singapore Chinese
Chinese
Black
Japanese

I know, this leaves out whole swaths of the world, but it was their list. It probably had as much to do with the perceived value of the wallet as with other things. As you know, rumor has it that the black man has a lot in his pants, and Chinese girls are usually paranoid about their pussies. The bigger the better doesn't work here. As you can see from the list, it's not the only explanation.

If you want the total opposite, go to Japan. Sexual marketability of blacks very high, especially in the J-Rap Japanese hip-hop scene, which is strong. They have a fine nose for Africans who want to pass themselves off as Americans, and the real thing. JP girls don't complain about their pussies, which sometimes are smaller than those of their Chinese sisters.

P4P is expensive in Japan, and fraught with what we would call unabashed racism against ALL foreigners. However, your chances of getting something for free are very high in Japan. They might want to keep you as a trophy boy.

Back in China, it depends on where you are. The big cities are more open, in the sticks you may be the first black man they have seen, and they run away.[/QUOTE]
Interesting ranking!!

Who was doing the polling?

Was it an "American / Northern European White?"

For I would have thought that at the very top of the ranking, the overseas Chinese should be, and then the Hong Kong/Singapore/Malaysian Chinese BEFORE everyone else.

Far as I know, Chinese WG's are wary of Whites/Blacks precisely because of, as you mention, the size problem. Plus they don't much enjoy the periods of silence whilst doing it with guys who don't speak the lingo.

And let's NOT even get into discussions about different smell, hairiness, STD, kinkiness, demands, length of time required etc of foreigners that is perpetuated in the Chinese WG's world!!

SEAJ

Interesting Question. How does one deal with racism in China particular or any where else?

Life is short and follow the 12 Steps of anti-racist practice.

[QUOTE=Loe101]Hey all my fellow mongerers, I am new to the forum and noticed the China picture section and noticed a lot of very fine women. My question is being a Afro-American would it be worth it for me to go to China for the mongering scene, or will I encounter a lot of racism?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]Interesting ranking!!

Who was doing the polling?

Was it an "American / Northern European White?"

For I would have thought that at the very top of the ranking, the overseas Chinese should be, and then the Hong Kong/Singapore/Malaysian Chinese BEFORE everyone else.

Far as I know, Chinese WG's are wary of Whites/Blacks precisely because of, as you mention, the size problem. Plus they don't much enjoy the periods of silence whilst doing it with guys who don't speak the lingo.

And let's NOT even get into discussions about different smell, hairiness, STD, kinkiness, demands, length of time required etc of foreigners that is perpetuated in the Chinese WG's world!!

SEAJ[/QUOTE]


I could imagine they adjust their top ranking to the person they are talking to.

With black folks in China, it is not what I like to call racism but profiling.

Majority of black customers are known in Asia for:
not paying hookers after sex
been extremely disrespectful
violent
see a hooker as a fulthy animal

Most of these guys come out of Africa, where too many of them treat their women like dirty animals. It is a "cultural phenomenon".

Justy 2 cents

Racism in China is nothing like racism in the US and else where there are no formal hate groups in China.

No one dressed in white bed sheets will set up s burning cross in your front yard in the middle of the night.

[QUOTE=Redline5]Justy 2 cents

Racism in China is nothing like racism in the US and elsewhere there are no formal hate groups in China. No one dressed in white bed sheets will set up s burning cross in your front yard in the middle of the night.[/QUOTE]
No formal hate groups in China? Did you ever hear of The Boxers? They all wore red scarves to identify themselves as a group, and their sole goal was to kill all non-Chinese in the country. Granted, the foreigners had taken advantage of China for far too long, but this was truly a bloody period in China's history. One could argue that the KKK wear sheets to hide their faces because they are ashamed of their behavior, and do not want NORMAL Americans to know who they are. The Boxers wore red scarves because they were proud of their quest. China is so xenophobic that their greatest “wonder” was a huge wall to keep all non-Chinese out!

In today's China there is no need for formal hate groups because the entire populous is racist. I have lived worked and lived in China for nearly 20 years and I have never met a single Chinese male who liked the Japanese, said "bygones should be bygones" about Taiwan, or had anything positive to say about anyone with dark skin (even Chinese with darker skin are looked down upon). The Chinese are racist against EVERYONE who is not Han Chinese. Beijinger do not like people for Xiangjian or Tibet. Even non-Han will not marry someone from outside their ethnic group.

American’s racist past is truly an embracement, and the individuals in bed sheets are backwards hillbillies. On the other hand, America is the melting pot of the world. When I am in a shopping mall in Los Angeles I see people from every nationality shopping and living together. When I go to a shopping mall here in Beijing all I see are Chinese (and yes, I have been in Asia long enough to tell the subtle differences between the various ethnic groups).

Don’t get me wrong – I love the Chinese people and their culture, but no matter how long I live in China, or how much I accept the culture, I will never be accepted as “Chinese”. Even if I were to revoke my citizenship (which I would never do) I might be a curiosity, but not Chinese. The only way to be Chinese is to have Chinese parents. When someone is born in American, they become an American in every way. When someone moves to America and accepts citizenship, they are treated as citizens. Hell, most people living illegally in America are treated as citizens!

Sorry for the rant, but a Chinese calling America raist is like the pot calling the kettle black!

Sammy

[QUOTE=Waldeck2]If you talk to Chinese people who lived in Shanghai during the 30's and 40's they will tell you that there were signs in what is now The Bund that read 'No Dogs or Chinese allowed'. These memories created a attitude which has not totally been erased. Many Chinese have gone past this -- but not all. By some we are tolerated, no more. You can confirm this view of laowei or help change it. Up to you.[/QUOTE]Looks like a sign I seen in a Bruce Lee movie called "The Chinese Connection" or "Fist of Fury" as it was called in Hong Kong.

[QUOTE=Sammy_T]No formal hate groups in China? Did you ever hear of The Boxers? They all wore red scarves to identify themselves as a group, and their sole goal was to kill all non-Chinese in the country. Granted, the foreigners had taken advantage of China for far too long, but this was truly a bloody period in China's history. One could argue that the KKK wear sheets to hide their faces because they are ashamed of their behavior, and do not want NORMAL Americans to know who they are. The Boxers wore red scarves because they were proud of their quest. China is so xenophobic that their greatest “wonder” was a huge wall to keep all non-Chinese out!

In today's China there is no need for formal hate groups because the entire populous is racist. I have lived worked and lived in China for nearly 20 years and I have never met a single Chinese male who liked the Japanese, said "bygones should be bygones" about Taiwan, or had anything positive to say about anyone with dark skin (even Chinese with darker skin are looked down upon). The Chinese are racist against EVERYONE who is not Han Chinese. Beijinger do not like people for Xiangjian or Tibet. Even non-Han will not marry someone from outside their ethnic group.

American’s racist past is truly an embracement, and the individuals in bed sheets are backwards hillbillies. On the other hand, America is the melting pot of the world. When I am in a shopping mall in Los Angeles I see people from every nationality shopping and living together. When I go to a shopping mall here in Beijing all I see are Chinese (and yes, I have been in Asia long enough to tell the subtle differences between the various ethnic groups).

Don’t get me wrong – I love the Chinese people and their culture, but no matter how long I live in China, or how much I accept the culture, I will never be accepted as “Chinese”. Even if I were to revoke my citizenship (which I would never do) I might be a curiosity, but not Chinese. The only way to be Chinese is to have Chinese parents. When someone is born in American, they become an American in every way. When someone moves to America and accepts citizenship, they are treated as citizens. Hell, most people living illegally in America are treated as citizens!

Sorry for the rant, but a Chinese calling America raist is like the pot calling the kettle black!

Sammy[/QUOTE]

Well said!

Levitian

[QUOTE=Sammy_T]Don’t get me wrong – I love the Chinese people and their culture, but no matter how long I live in China, or how much I accept the culture, I will never be accepted as “Chinese”. Even if I were to revoke my citizenship (which I would never do) I might be a curiosity, but not Chinese. The only way to be Chinese is to have Chinese parents. When someone is born in American, they become an American in every way. When someone moves to America and accepts citizenship, they are treated as citizens. Hell, most people living illegally in America are treated as citizens!

Sorry for the rant, but a Chinese calling America raist is like the pot calling the kettle black!

Sammy[/QUOTE]

Gee, is that how it feel having the table turned? lol

Mmlouie

[QUOTE=Sammy_T]
Sorry for the rant, but a Chinese calling America raist is like the pot calling the kettle black!

Sammy[/QUOTE]Perhaps a small reminder of The Chinese Exclusion Act was a United States federal law signed by Chester A. Arthur on May 8, 1882, following revisions made in 1880 to the Burlingame Treaty of 1868. Those revisions allowed the U.S. to suspend immigration, and Congress subsequently acted quickly to implement the suspension of Chinese immigration, a ban that was intended to last 10 years. This law was repealed by the Magnuson Act not until December 17, 1943.

From all practical view Civil Right Act of 1965 had the major impact on asians in USA. Few limted asian quotes were approved prior to it.

American media & Govt better learn to be "nice to the Chinese" in the future to avoid situations for all Americans. Wikileak is not helping with the situation. Who in his mind in the State Dept would generate such a negative memo about world leaders. Limited private conversation reporting is something missing at the State Dept.

[QUOTE=Mmlouie]Perhaps a small reminder of The Chinese Exclusion Act was a United States federal law signed by Chester A. Arthur on May 8, 1882, following revisions made in 1880 to the Burlingame Treaty of 1868. Those revisions allowed the U.S. to suspend immigration, and Congress subsequently acted quickly to implement the suspension of Chinese immigration, a ban that was intended to last 10 years. This law was repealed by the Magnuson Act not until December 17, 1943.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sammy_T; 1099192]No formal hate groups in China? Did you ever hear of The Boxers? They all wore red scarves to identify themselves as a group, and their sole goal was to kill all non-Chinese in the country. Granted, the foreigners had taken advantage of China for far too long, but this was truly a bloody period in China's history. One could argue that the KKK wear sheets to hide their faces because they are ashamed of their behavior, and do not want NORMAL Americans to know who they are. The Boxers wore red scarves because they were proud of their quest. China is so xenophobic that their greatest 'wonder' was a huge wall to keep all non-Chinese out!

In today's China there is no need for formal hate groups because the entire populous is racist. I have lived worked and lived in China for nearly 20 years and I have never met a single Chinese male who liked the Japanese, said "bygones should be bygones" about Taiwan, or had anything positive to say about anyone with dark skin (even Chinese with darker skin are looked down upon). The Chinese are racist against EVERYONE who is not Han Chinese. Beijinger do not like people for Xiangjian or Tibet. Even non-Han will not marry someone from outside their ethnic group.

American's racist past is truly an embracement, and the individuals in bed sheets are backwards hillbillies. On the other hand, America is the melting pot of the world. When I am in a shopping mall in Los Angeles I see people from every nationality shopping and living together. When I go to a shopping mall here in Beijing all I see are Chinese (and yes, I have been in Asia long enough to tell the subtle differences between the various ethnic groups).

Don't get me wrong – I love the Chinese people and their culture, but no matter how long I live in China, or how much I accept the culture, I will never be accepted as 'Chinese'. Even if I were to revoke my citizenship (which I would never do) I might be a curiosity, but not Chinese. The only way to be Chinese is to have Chinese parents. When someone is born in American, they become an American in every way. When someone moves to America and accepts citizenship, they are treated as citizens. Hell, most people living illegally in America are treated as citizens!

Sorry for the rant, but a Chinese calling America raist is like the pot calling the kettle black!

Sammy[/QUOTE]I haven't been on here in a while, but you got to be kidding me?

Are there actrive boxers in China now? NO! ARe their active white supremacists in the US now, YES!

During the time of the Boxer rebellion, European colonial powers were bring in opium to sell, and enforced it with armed forces.

Thats like the Chinese government saying hey, we're going to sell crack in America, and you can't do anything about it, cause will will crush your local forces with our army.

Unfortunately China's government and military was too weak to stop it.

If you want to open up the history books, lets not forget about the Nazi's or the early American settler's giveing away "free" blankets to the native Indians (smallpox included)

When was the last time you saw a foriener beaten because of his race in China?

I see all the time in the US.

Here's one story.

[url]http://www.wsbtv.com/news/28002147/detail.html[/url]

And just 2 weeks ago, my friend was leaving someone's house after haviong dinner (now this is in NYC! Staten Island to be exact)

And as he was walking to his car which was a few blocks away.

I car pulls up and 4 whites guys start yelling slurs at Hi and calling his chink.

He ignore them, and they proceed to say, :"hey we're talint to you chink, don't walk away"

They get out and 1 or 2 were holding some club or metal bar.

Lucky for him my friend is a US Customs agent, yes, he's packing a. 45!

He identifies himself and pulls out his gun.

And the crackers jump in their car and drive away.

If he didn't have his gun with him, he obviously would've gotten a beating or killed!

Hmmm. When seen that in China.

So not's not the pot calling the kettle black

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJBqOCouKkE&feature=related[/url]

Glad Asians in America don't get targeted because of their race.

Oh wait. They ARE

Asian students hunted down and pulled out of class and beaten, and the school looked the other way denying anything was racist.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ8rVx8IBGk&feature=related[/url]

I guess if everyone denies it, then it doesn't exist in America

[QUOTE=Redline5;1159990]I haven't been on here in a while, but you got to be kidding me?[/QUOTE]Well actually no. Sammy T was spot on in his observation. The Chinese are racist as a population and the degree of that racism is in proportion to the colour of another's skin. Frequently on dating sites Chinese ladies will quite clearly state: 'no blacks'.

Do you know of any inter-racial marriage between a black and a Chinese?

Furthermore their racism tends to be covert as opposed to overt as in the example you gave.

I have a Chinese gf (I am caucasian) and she hates anyone with a skin colour which is not fair, but she will only admit this if she is pressed to offer an opinion.

The Chinese genuinely believe that they are the most superior race. I still love the Chinese though.

[QUOTE=Redline5; 1159993][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJBqOCouKkE&feature=related[/url]

Glad Asians in America don't get targeted because of their race.

Oh wait. They ARE[/QUOTE]Round eyes are targeted to be charged more.

Chinese do put a premium on skin color. Absolutely: "look (girl pulls down top) white!"

White best ergo converse black not-good

[QUOTE=Python75; 1160006]Well actually no. Sammy T was spot on in his observation. The Chinese are racist as a population and the degree of that racism is in proportion to the colour of another's skin. Frequently on dating sites Chinese ladies will quite clearly state: 'no blacks'.

Do you know of any inter-racial marriage between a black and a Chinese?

Furthermore their racism tends to be covert as opposed to overt as in the example you gave.

I have a Chinese gf (I am caucasian) and she hates anyone with a skin colour which is not fair, but she will only admit this if she is pressed to offer an opinion.

The Chinese genuinely believe that they are the most superior race. I still love the Chinese though.[/QUOTE]Actually truth be told, I know of 2 couples that are Asian / Black.

[QUOTE=Python75; 1160006]Well actually no. Sammy T was spot on in his observation. The Chinese are racist as a population and the degree of that racism is in proportion to the colour of another's skin. Frequently on dating sites Chinese ladies will quite clearly state: 'no blacks'.[/QUOTE]LOL.

I have been on dating sites in the USA, where white women has said NO ASIANS!

Check out the ads on craiglist and match.com

Killing a Chinese person in America will now cost you "three years probation, fined $3, 000 "

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Chin[/url]

Guess that better then in the early 1800/1900's when it didn't cost anything.

Of course killing a black slave could still lead to capital punishment.

[url]http://www.what-you-see.com/oregon/hc1.htm[/url]

Don't have to take my word for it,

Have you ever read the book Freakonomics.

It's been proven statistics.

[url]http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/10/female-race-consciousness-as-prudence/[/url]

"The results are striking. An African-American man would have to earn $154, 000 more than a white man in order for a white woman to prefer him. A Hispanic man would need to earn $77, 000 more than a white man, and Asian man would need, remarkably, an additional $247, 000 in additional annual income."

Also you comparing violent racism vs some female would not sleep with you because of skin color?

Wow talk about ignorance

[QUOTE=Redline5;1160645]Actually truth be told, I know of 2 couples that are Asian / Black.[/QUOTE]But is the asian Chinese, and if so are they married?

[QUOTE=Python75;1160679]But is the asian Chinese, and if so are they married?[/QUOTE]I, myself know many Chinese and Blacks that are happily married. And yes, some of them are living in China.

Mmlouie

[QUOTE=Redline5;1160649]Wow talk about ignorance[/QUOTE]So very true! It is very difficult so someone who have never experienced racism growing up to understand racism. Racism exists in every culture and especially in the US, we just sweep it under the rug and not talk about it. But when it does happened to them, they will just up and down crying reverse discrimination. So how does it really feel, ay?

Deep down we all have our own opinions and preferences, no one can ever change it.

Mmlouie

[QUOTE=Mmlouie; 1160724]I, myself know many Chinese and Blacks that are happily married. And yes, some of them are living in China.

Mmlouie[/QUOTE]Ok. I stand corrected.

WASHINGTON — US lawmakers launched a drive Thursday for Congress to make an official statement of regret for the 1882 Chinese Exclusion Act, which restricted immigration along racial lines for decades."

[url]http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5ho_5cnNDHUc58BdKKFkwpE7b_70Q?docId=CNG.786a247f547d853c8e2d1faaf7adddf7.1251[/url]

Statement of regret still isn't an apology.

Of course if something like this happened in China, you can bet the west would have been bitching about ever single day for the last 100+ years

Funny thing is that when the US points fingers at other countries about human right violations,

They forget there's always 3 fingers pointed right back at you!

[QUOTE=Python75;1160679]But is the asian Chinese, and if so are they married?[/QUOTE]Yes, good friend of mine is product of one such married. 1/2 Black and 1/2 Chinese

He's speaks perfect Mandarin and read / writes Chinese + Japanese too.

[QUOTE=Redline5;1160916]Statement of regret still isn't an apology.[/QUOTE]Why, did you expect any otherwise? It will never happen, just like the Japanese will never admit to the Nanjing massacre incident.

Mmlouie

[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailycaller/20110618/pl_dailycaller/nazigrandma[/url]

"Most 81-year-old ladies do normal 81-year-old lady things. They play cards with friends. They spend time with their children and grandchildren. Maybe some volunteer at food banks or animal shelters.

Gudrun Burwitz, on the other hand, works to help keep the spirit of Adolf Hitler's Nazi Party alive.

Burwitz is the daughter of Heinrich Himmler, the man who was charged by Hitler with running the Gestapo, SS, and the extermination program which took the lives of millions of Jews. She continues her father's legacy today, leading the German group Stille Hilfe, which translates to Silent Help."

Nazi's still active in Europe and in America

Old posts but I choose to respond anyway to the bitter black man who posted here.

1. I've seen plenty of Chinese girls going crazy over black guys. Especially university girls don't care about skin color. I've got a black friend who now has 3 beautiful girls constantly calling him and messaging him. They never leave him alone.

2. At least you have something to point at as to why you're not getting any free pussy. I'm not exaggerating when I say that I'm a very handsome light-skinned guy. I'm from the middle east but people always think I'm european. Yet, Since coming to China, I haven't been able to score any free pussy because of my deteriorated skills. And I hear comments from Chinese girls all the time,"Shuai-ge!" "shuai-ge". And all the while, africans and brown arabs around me are getting plenty of yellow pussy. Yet with me, they only want to be friends.

On the other hand, the "professionals" swarm at me, and they tell me I'm a good lover. If only 'normal' girls were that easy.

But I digress. The fact of the matter is, in the end, it's all about confidence and your personality.

[url]http://www.cornellsun.com/section/news/content/2011/06/15/police-arrest-teenager-alleged-west-campus-assault[/url]

[url]http://centralny.ynn.com/content/top_stories/547009/police-arrest-suspect-in-cornell-assault/[/url]

"On June 5, three individuals in a vehicle yelled racial epithets at a student of Asian descent riding his bicycle on College Avenue near the intersection of Campus Road, police said. The vehicle followed the victim onto West Avenue where Nikulin allegedly exited the vehicle and assaulted him. The victim was treated for injuries at Cayuga Medical Center and released.

Nikulin, who is not a Cornell student, was arraigned Tuesday in the City of Ithaca Court and released on his own recognizance. Cornell Police have been in discussions with the Tompkins County District Attorney's office to determine whether the assault can be prosecuted as a hate crime."

White police officers are trying hard to NOT classify this has a hate crime.

So I guess calling someone the Chink or (if they were Black a Nigger) and the chasing them down to try and beat them to an inch of their life is not racist after all, who knew.

But seriously this incident is not rare in America, it happens every single day, but it's never on the news much and usually gets swept under rug.

And this is not racism against just foreigners, it's also against other Americans!

If caucasians where targeted to be beaten and robbed in Asia, everyone in the UK, US, Europe would be screaming racism.

"Chinese immigrants to France attacked in Paris"

Ethnic Chinese residents of the French capital say they are being systematically attacked and robbed. And they are campaigning for more police protection.

[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13926342[/url]

BTW: this is not new, I've seen reports of this warning HK tourists to be very careful even back in 1999

[QUOTE=Redline5; 1171359]If caucasians where targeted to be beaten and robbed in Asia, everyone in the UK, US, Europe would be screaming racism.

"Chinese immigrants to France attacked in Paris"

Ethnic Chinese residents of the French capital say they are being systematically attacked and robbed. And they are campaigning for more police protection.

[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13926342[/url]

BTW: this is not new, I've seen reports of this warning HK tourists to be very careful even back in 1999[/QUOTE]I have worked in China on and off for 25 years. I am white and married to a Chinese woman. I have been discriminated against in both Taiwan and mainland China because I am a foreigner. In Taiwan, my Chinese friend tried to bring me to his private clubs and they would not admit me due to my race. He was really upset by it. I also know tons of black Americans and Africans who experience daily racism in China BUT. They also get laid constantly and have tons of girl friends because there is a certain percentage of Chinese girls who absolutely love black guys. The point is that in a country as diverse as China, with so many cultures and looks. And with a huge population. Everyone can find someone. Given that China was cut off from the world for so long and has just recently opened up. It is not surprising that they are pretty racist against everyone not Chinese.

Ok, was at a BBQ over the July 4th weekend, and heard from someone else at the BBQ, that their relative was attacked and killed recently in Greece because he was Asian,

Apparently during these riots, gangs have specifically seeked out and hunted down Asian immigrants.

I will try to find a news article on it, so you won't just say I am making it up.

Guess being denied entrance to a club is as bad as getting killed <cough

Africans & Asians Attacked By Mob In Greece.

[url]http://ournewsnow.com/international/1120/Africans-[/url]%2526-Asians-Attacked-By-Mob-In-Greece

[QUOTE=Redline5; 1181866]Africans & Asians Attacked By Mob In Greece.

[url]http://ournewsnow.com/international/1120/Africans-[/url]

%2526-Asians-Attacked-By-Mob-In-Greece[/QUOTE]There was a Greek guy age about 45yo that at o6:30 came down from his flat and walked 30 meters away to go bring his car in order to take his wife to the hospital. She was going to give birth to their first child. He was so happy that was holding a video camera in order to record all that.

He was approached by three Asian / Africans and was stubbed to death for the camera that was later sold for 80 euros. His wife was still waiting for him in their door steps but he never went back.

Police found them about 10-14 days later.

That was the reason of all these attacks to Asian / Africans. Because they killed an innocent Greek for 80 euros.

Thanks

[url]http://nymag.com/news/features/danny-chen-2012-1/[/url]

And the police for years have done nothing about it. Not they're not just robbing asians,

But this is the 3rd case where a family was gunned down within the last year.

[url]http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/World/Story/STIStory_752028.html[/url]

Chinese man, baby daughter shot dead in Rome.

ROME (AFP). A Chinese man and his two-year-old daughter were shot dead and the man's wife wounded in Rome late on Wednesday during a botched robbery, Italian media reports said.

The man, who had yet to be identified, was with his wife and daughter when two youths approached them on a scooter and demanded money.

When the family refused, all three were shot, the Repubblica newspaper said citing eyewitness reports.

The man died instantly from a bullet to the chest while his young daughter, who was in his arms at the time, was shot in the head and died on the way to hospital, according to the Corriere della Sera daily's website.

I had question in my mind for a while!

Does anyone ever met a xinjiang men with a Chinese GF from other province mostly from north, Even thought I heard lot of Chinese mainland girls saying xinjiang men are cute and good looking, its very hard to find a BF and GF. I had never met anyone till now. Had seen reverse!

[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/19/sports/basketball/espn-apologizes-for-slur-used-in-headline-on-lin.html?_r=1[/url]

ESPN used the same term in the 2008 Olympics.

Racism in America against Asians is alive and well.

Too bad people in Asia are too ignorant to realize it

[QUOTE=Redline5; 1249582][url]http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/19/sports/basketball/espn-apologizes-for-slur-used-in-headline-on-lin.html?_r=1[/url]

ESPN used the same term in the 2008 Olympics.

Racism in America against Asians is alive and well.

Too bad people in Asia are too ignorant to realize it[/QUOTE]I believe that the copy editor is now unemployed and the news anchor earned himself a thirty days suspension. The news anchor tweeted that his wife was asian. He would never knowingly say something to disrespect her ethnicity. I guess at home, he will be on indefinite suspension. No nookie during suspension.

Dear folks,

This report from International Herald Tribune

Dated May. 22 2012.

[url]http://rendezvous.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/22/disquieting-days-for-foreigners-in-china/[/url]

Is self explanatory. I would be grateful if some.

Members who are living long time in China could.

Verify this report.

Thanks and regards,

Wizzy Paris France.

[quote=wizzy2007; 1284341]dear folks,

this report from international herald tribune

dated may. 22 2012.

[url]http://rendezvous.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/22/disquieting-days-for-foreigners-in-china/[/url]

is self explanatory. i would be grateful if some.

members who are living long time in china could.

verify this report.

thanks and regards,

wizzy paris france.[/quote]yes it is true. if you come to china, have your papers in order. and please, don't come here with the expectation that you get to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] women on the street. that's what started this whole thing, a very badly behaving brit who tried to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] a woman in a park. the whole thing was caught on a phone camera and posted on the web.

gm.

[QUOTE=Wizzy2007; 1284341]Dear folks,

This report from International Herald Tribune

Dated May. 22 2012.

[url]http://rendezvous.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/22/disquieting-days-for-foreigners-in-china/[/url]

Is self explanatory. I would be grateful if some.

Members who are living long time in China could.

Verify this report.

Thanks and regards,

Wizzy Paris France.[/QUOTE]Exact. A lot of discussions about it these days in China but I would not say it is dangerous. Make sure you have your passport with you and papers in order if you live there. There is a problem with a lot of foreigners working in China while on tourist visa. And english teachers already have a bad reputation to start with (viewed as slackers who can't get a job in their own countries, have poor moral values and just f*k around different Chinese girls while cheating them. Most of which is generally true). I have certainly seen my share of foreigners are think that they are allowed to do anything because they are not home, get drunk, annoy everybody and abuse Chinese. Chinese are getting tired of this. But for the average nice guy who does not behave like he is so special, life is good.

Here is the story about the British guy: [url]http://www.chinasmack.com/2012/videos/british-man-beat-up-for-sexually-assaulting-chinese-girl.html[/url]

About the Russian guy: [url]http://www.thebeijinger.com/blog/2012/05/17/Train-Wreck-Foreigner-Abusing-Chinese-Woman-Sparks-Web-Fury[/url]

And the crackdown: [url]http://www.thebeijinger.com/blog/2012/05/15/Are-You-Legal-100-Days-of-Checks-on-Foreigners-Begins-Today[/url]

[QUOTE=Loveasiangirls; 1284385]Exact. A lot of discussions about it these days in China but I would not say it is dangerous. Make sure you have your passport with you and papers in order if you live there. There is a problem with a lot of foreigners working in China while on tourist visa. And english teachers already have a bad reputation to start with (viewed as slackers who can't get a job in their own countries, have poor moral values and just f*k around different Chinese girls while cheating them. Most of which is generally true). I have certainly seen my share of foreigners are think that they are allowed to do anything because they are not home, get drunk, annoy everybody and abuse Chinese. Chinese are getting tired of this. But for the average nice guy who does not behave like he is so special, life is good.

Here is the story about the British guy:

[url]http://www.chinasmack.com/2012/videos/british-man-beat-up-for-sexually-assaulting-chinese-girl.html[/url]

About the Russian guy:

[url]http://www.thebeijinger.com/blog/2012/05/17/Train-Wreck-Foreigner-Abusing-Chinese-Woman-Sparks-Web-Fury[/url]

And the crackdown:

[url]http://www.thebeijinger.com/blog/2012/05/15/Are-You-Legal-100-Days-of-Checks-on-Foreigners-Begins-Today[/url][/QUOTE]China is a safe place. I have been living here 10 years with no issues. But foreigners who behave badly deserve to be deported, just as in our home countries. Don't think you can come to China and leave all your manners and civility at home. Yes, there is good mongering, but you need to act appropriately. Quite candidly, if I had seen the Brit forcing himself on a local girl, I would have intervened as well (would not have beat him up). If you have your paperwork in order and act appropriately, you will have no problems and can have loads of fun! Enough said.

SH

Did anyone not see the video about the white guy who got beat up in Beijing on a road?

Apparently whoever posted the vid is very proud of what they did.

Curious as to where this conversation will go. I agree with ShangHangin. I have been treated well. Personal space is not as large as in the US or Europe. Buses and metros can get pushy. There are, no doubt, some bad actors.

[quote=carage; 1284441]did anyone not see the video about the white guy who got beat up in beijing on a road?

apparently whoever posted the vid is very proud of what they did.[/quote]if you saw all of it, that is the brit who was trying to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] the woman in the park. not condoning anyone beating up anyone else, but the dude was on video trying to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] a woman. i have very, very little sympathy for what happened to the dude later. he will be very lucky to make it out of china alive in any case.

gm.

[QUOTE=Carage; 1284441]Did anyone not see the video about the white guy who got beat up in Beijing on a road?

Apparently whoever posted the vid is very proud of what they did.[/QUOTE]No sympathy for him at all. Maximum sentence with hard labour is what he needs.

There are a lot of these type tourists, not just in China, who think they can do as they want.

The reported crackdown on foreigners is nothing new, been a few over the last 12 years not just now or for the Olympics.

Teltel

[quote=gualtier malde; 1284513]if you saw all of it, that is the brit who was trying to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] the woman in the park. not condoning anyone beating up anyone else, but the dude was on video trying to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] a woman. i have very, very little sympathy for what happened to the dude later. he will be very lucky to make it out of china alive in any case.

gm.[/quote]i have very little sympathy for the drunker brit, if he indeed attempted to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] that woman in the park.

what i have a problem with is the fact that the locals and their media seem to condone / praise this "vigilante justice" so much.

Why would someone have a child? Is it not to just have kids to take up your relay stick, and live on? Then shouldn't there be a reason to let your own genepool also live on, and not have it "contained" by other human "races"?

I am posing these questions as a devils advocate, because they do hold very strong merits. The problem with the analogy is just that we are living in a more and more global world, and confrontations can't take part, as they will easily lead to riots, civil war and so forth. Ofcourse the Chinese men hate that we blacks and whites come over and have sex with their women. For them it feels like some foreigner "not of their genepool" (or call us "aliens") are paying to fuck their daughters "of their genepool". And where does darwinism come into all of this? Well, we are all taught from we are very small that we are capable of anything. We are raised to feel that we are the centre of the world. Everything omits from our eyes, we are the world. So then why should someone agree to have their own "superior" "world leading" genes distorted by someone not like them. Someone inferior? In fact, racism is perhaps one of the most humane things we have in the world. Because we are different!

However, there is a way around it. And as I already mentionned, there has to be a battle against racism. Not a fistfight, but informational. In my point of view, all human "races" needs to learn to love eachother more, travel to every continent in the world, and meet other people. What we hear and read in the media or on the internet is not enough. You need to stay in other countries for months (and got forbid, no grouptrip!). I've studied as an exchange student myself in asia, and one thing has become very clear to me. The people that has gone on exchange themselves are allways the first people to be social and show hospitality when going back to their own countries, meeting exchange students going in the other direction. Without cultural dialogue both ways, it won't get any better. So yes, to the guy who mentionned how hard it is for Chinese to get a visa to USA and Schengen, you have a very good point! Visa limiting rules are terrible, and every country should have 3 months visa free stay for tourists. As gobal manufacturing shift to where cheap labor is, education will follow, and perhaps in 100 years this will be possible. Untill then, I guess we will just have to live it out.

Why would someone have a child? Is it not to just have kids to take up your relay stick, and live on? Then shouldn't there be a reason to let your own genepool also live on, and not have it "contained" by other human "races"?

I am posing these questions as a devils advocate, because they do hold very strong merits. The problem with the analogy is just that we are living in a more and more global world, and confrontations can't take part, as they will easily lead to riots, civil war and so forth. Ofcourse the Chinese men hate that we blacks and whites come over and have sex with their women. For them it feels like some foreigner "not of their genepool" (or call us "aliens") are paying to fuck their daughters "of their genepool". And where does darwinism come into all of this? Well, we are all taught from we are very small that we are capable of anything. We are raised to feel that we are the centre of the world. Everything omits from our eyes, we are the world. So then why should someone agree to have their own "superior" "world leading" genes distorted by someone not like them. Someone inferior? In fact, racism is perhaps one of the most humane things we have in the world. Because we are different!

However, there is a way around it. And as I already mentionned, there has to be a battle against racism. Not a fistfight, but informational. In my point of view, all human "races" needs to learn to love eachother more, travel to every continent in the world, and meet other people. What we hear and read in the media or on the internet is not enough. You need to stay in other countries for months (and got forbid, no grouptrip!). I've studied as an exchange student myself in asia, and one thing has become very clear to me. The people that has gone on exchange themselves are allways the first people to be social and show hospitality when going back to their own countries, meeting exchange students going in the other direction. Without cultural dialogue both ways, it won't get any better. So yes, to the guy who mentionned how hard it is for Chinese to get a visa to USA and Schengen, you have a very good point! Visa limiting rules are terrible, and every country should have 3 months visa free stay for tourists. As gobal manufacturing shift to where cheap labor is, education will follow, and perhaps in 100 years this will be possible. Untill then, I guess we will just have to live it out.

There is a lot of smoke about this 100 day campaign to root out "Three No" illegal aliens (No proper visa, No proper residency, or No proper work permission). But so far I have not seen any actual fire. I haven't seen anyone pulled aside in Sanlitun, or anywhere else. But maybe that is just me.

I'm curious about whether anyone has actually experienced anything from this campaign, or if it is just all propaganda.

If you have been asked for your papers, if you are comfortable to report it, please share your experience. It would be interesting to know how this is all manifesting itself. Who are they targeting (young, old, males, females, etc.) , where are they targeting (home, bars, street, offices) , how are they targeting (stopping everyone, singling people out, checking whole offices).

GM.

[QUOTE=Gualtier Malde; 1284855]There is a lot of smoke about this 100 day campaign to root out "Three No" illegal aliens (No proper visa, No proper residency, or No proper work permission). But so far I have not seen any actual fire. I haven't seen anyone pulled aside in Sanlitun, or anywhere else. But maybe that is just me.

I'm curious about whether anyone has actually experienced anything from this campaign, or if it is just all propaganda.

If you have been asked for your papers, if you are comfortable to report it, please share your experience. It would be interesting to know how this is all manifesting itself. Who are they targeting (young, old, males, females, etc.) , where are they targeting (home, bars, street, offices) , how are they targeting (stopping everyone, singling people out, checking whole offices).

GM.[/QUOTE]A friend had their company visited by the police this week to check all the staff. On another forum I read about a few people being stopped on the street (in Haidian) and the complain was that the police did not speak english. So yes it is happening.

Same happened just before olympics. One friend had to leave for the duration of the olympics as a result of not having proper paperwork.

[quote=gualtier malde; 1284513]if you saw all of it, that is the brit who was trying to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] the woman in the park. not condoning anyone beating up anyone else, but the dude was on video trying to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] a woman. i have very, very little sympathy for what happened to the dude later. he will be very lucky to make it out of china alive in any case.

gm.[/quote]by the way, the guy who beat him up also was arrested.

[QUOTE=Gualtier Malde; 1284855]There is a lot of smoke about this 100 day campaign to root out "Three No" illegal aliens (No proper visa, No proper residency, or No proper work permission). But so far I have not seen any actual fire. I haven't seen anyone pulled aside in Sanlitun, or anywhere else. But maybe that is just me.

I'm curious about whether anyone has actually experienced anything from this campaign, or if it is just all propaganda.

If you have been asked for your papers, if you are comfortable to report it, please share your experience. It would be interesting to know how this is all manifesting itself. Who are they targeting (young, old, males, females, etc.) , where are they targeting (home, bars, street, offices) , how are they targeting (stopping everyone, singling people out, checking whole offices).

GM.[/QUOTE]A friend of mine working in Shanghai told me that she was requested to go to the PSA / exit entry bureau to explain her employment status last week.

She works for a major global conglomerate, got a call on her company issued cellphone on Monday around noon.

The guy on the phone claimed to be a PSA officer and requests her presence at their office within 3 working days.

She thought it might be a scam and decided to put it off, but she got a call the second day to "remind" her. The tone of the second call was less than cordial.

So she went to the HR department to ask whether she should go, and the HR director told her to comply and apparently there are other people at their company who have received similar requests.

Apparently not just young males are targeted.

Much more violence against foreigners in Beijing. Be careful out there!

See this link and be sure to read the comments.

[url]http://www.cityweekend.com.cn/beijing/articles/blogs-beijing/expat-life/violence-continues-plague-sanlitun/[/url]

"I have three foreign girlfriends who have been at kicked in the head and bashed by Chinese gangs in the past 6 months. Two were flown to their countries for emergency facial surgery. They were French and German. I also have two german friends who were left for dead in a basement carpark after being bashed so hard by a gang that even the hospitals thought they would die. I myself have had three separate people yelling at me to 'go back to where I come from' in the past three days."

"about two week sago, on the way home from work at about 10pm in the backstreets of wudaokou I was assaulted by Chinese man although there were 3 men present. I don't wish to go into details but I reported it to the police the following afternoon as I was to scared to go immediatelyto apolice station. Needless to say I was les than impressed with the police officers. I was at the station for 3 hours and they blamed me for causing this asault (I am female, aparentlywomn should be home before dark!). They also defended my attackers saying that they were probably just drunks, depite the fac that it was a Tuesday night. Lasly they told me, despite my 4 years in China and my ability to speak Chinese, that my attacker probably wasnt Chinese but rather korean or japanese and that foreigners can't tell the difference between Chinese people and any oither _sian. Lastly, seeing that the police would not investigate despite take my statement, I called my embassy who informed me th unfortunately they can offer little help except warn other embassies and oer citizens to be more careful. I suggest women I particular to be careful so they don't get hurt, I was smat in the way I behaved an avoid being really hurt but please be careful as it seems these retaliations are happening all over beijing."

"As an expat who has lived here for about 7 years, I feel that the mood has been changing and that violence against foreigners is on the rise. I have been attacked twice in Sanlitun in the last year and narrowly escaped a third time. The story was the same each time. Drunken Chinese men in their 20s who attacked without provocation while yelling racist / xenophobic slurs. The first time happened while a friend and I were waiting for a cab between the Village South and Nali Patio. We were jumped by a group of 8 Chinese men in their early 20s. I did not see or interact with them before the attack. They came from behind, punched me in the back of the head and the ear, knocked my friend to the ground, and repeatedly kicked him in the head while yelling racist / xenophobic insults before running off. A few dozen people were right there but just stood by and watched. The second time happened a few months ago in one of Sanlitun's nicer bars. A very drunk Chinese man in his late 20s rushed at me, ripped my shirt, and hit me over the head with a bar stool. He yelled a few anti-foreigner slurs. The waiters and other customers did pull him off that time – after he had thrown several bar stools at my head. These incidents are not representative of my time in Beijing, and I certainly don't think that they are representative of the general Beijing population, but I believe they represent an unfortunate trend – anti-foreigner violence started by small groups of nationalistic, xenophobic Chinese men with a chip on their shoulder to begin with that is further inflamed by viral videos and irresponsibly nationalistic content from the media and the Web and brought to a head by large amounts of alcohol. In a city of 20 million people, it only takes a tiny fraction of the population to create a hostile environment, especially when such a large percentage of the population (including the police) is willing to stand by and watch. I have no desire to leave Beijing, or even to stop going to Sanlitun, but I have started crossing the street or walking the other way when I see a group of Chinese men who have been drinking – even if I'm right in front of the police station."

This email sent out today by the US Embassy:

In the early morning hours of Saturday, June 9, a group of local nationals assaulted an employee of the USA Embassy in Beijing inside the Element nightclub, located on the west side of Workers' Stadium near Sanlitun. The employee, who was out with some colleagues, was hit in the head with a sharp object as he was dancing away from the group. According to witnesses, the employee fell to the floor and was repeatedly beaten and kicked in the head by individuals serving as bouncers for the nightclub. By all accounts, the attack was unprovoked.

This is not the first report of violence directed at USA citizens in the nightclubs outside of Workers' Stadium. In September 2010, another employee of the USA Embassy in Beijing was assaulted inside a different nightclub at the north end of Workers' Stadium in another unprovoked incident. Private USA citizens have also reported being victims of crime in the nearby area.

USA citizens are reminded to use caution when enjoying the nightlife in Beijing. Maintaining an awareness of your surroundings and keeping a low profile are critical to avoiding potential problems.

The USA Embassy can be reached 24 hours per day. During business hours, call 86-10-8531-4000 or email amcitbeijing@state.gov <mailto:amcitbeijing@state.gov. For emergencies after hours or on weekends, call 86-10-8531-3000. The Embassy is located near the Line 10 LiangMaQiao subway stop at 55 An Jia Lou Road, Chaoyang District. The Embassy's website is.

[url]http://beijing.usembassy-china.org.cn[/url]

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[url]http://chengdu.usembassy-china.org.cn/beijing.usembassy-china.org.cn[/url]

If you are residing or traveling in China, we recommend that you enroll with the USA Embassy's Smart Traveler Enrollment Program at:

[url]https://travelregistration.state.gov[/url]

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[url]https://travelregistration.state.gov[/url]

You should also regularly monitor the Department's Bureau of Consular Affairs Internet website at.

[url]http://travel.state.gov[/url]

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While living or traveling abroad.

This is not what you think it is. I don't drink or smoke, but I do take walks a night. When I am out walking (sober, unlike most of the Chinese men at these clubs) , I pass clubs. On some occasions, I have taken it upon myself to go in and count (and strangely enough, the bouncers, employees can see what I am doing and after about 4 minutes of counting without buying any drinks they show me right out). What I have seen in this: The ratio of males to females in those places is something like: 3-4:1. Now think about this: You have a bunch of guys going into a place paying 10 times more for coke and beer than it costs anywhere else in the country because they think that they are going to be sinking their face into vagina that evening. (But most of them won't be anyway.) I pass by bars and see Chinese men fighting with EACH OTHER. Let me spell it out:

1. Drunk Chinese men.

2. Who have spent a lot of money for drinks for women that they are not going to get.

3. Who have a really wounded sense of superiority and need only a tiny little push to start fighting.

4. Who ALWAYS fight in groups. (You have NEVER seen a one-on-one fight in China. Not when Chinese people are fighting each other, nor when they are fighting foreigners.)

5. Who have not had sex with women in a little while (if ever) both because of being short on game, and because there just aren't enough women to get. (We have talked about this topic / had a flame war a few years back, the sex imbalance in China. I have done a yahoo search and then done a search restriction to articles that just cover this topic within the *last month. Results:

[url]http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/article/2012/05/29/global-roundup-china-works-toward-remedying-gender-imbalance-one-step-closer-to-0?amp=&quicktabs_popular=1[/url]

[url]http://insidechina.onehotspots.com/china-serious-imbalance-in-the-male-and-female-sex-ratio-at-birth-than-118100/44431/[/url]

[url]http://www.china.org.cn/china/2012-05/24/content_25466660.htm[/url]

If you crunch the numbers, it works out to something like 130:100 (males to females) of bar aged people.

6. Do the math. [blue][Racial Epithet(s) Deleted by Admin][/blue] 100 Chinese men in a bar. 25 women. 1 foreign man. 75 of those men wouldn't have gotten a woman anyway. But one single foreign man can become the target of rage of 75 angry little men with short penises if he even so much as looks in the direction of one of the local women. Or if he even brings his own, every single one of those men is thinking "It's because of that guy that I am going home to rub one out into a sock tonight. If it wasn't for him, I would be enjoying Female Odor Momentos!"

So, the attack was not quite provoked, but there IS a such thing as contributory negligence (by doing something stupid like, say, going into a bar with a bunch of sexually frustrated Chinese men who can't get women of their own because of inherent scarcity or whatever reason and who have had alcohol). I've been in China for approaching 9 years now, and I go running every night at 1 or 2 in the morning and say "Hello" to all the drunk people on the way, and I have not been attacked one single time.

Do you mean to tell me these US consulate employees were so fucking stupid that they didn't know their surroundings even *that* well? Give me a fucking break.

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[QUOTE=Clandestine782; 1292279]This is not what you think it is. I don't drink or smoke, but I do take walks a night. When I am out walking (sober, unlike most of the Chinese men at these clubs) , I pass clubs. On some occasions, I have taken it upon myself to go in and count (and strangely enough, the bouncers, employees can see what I am doing and after about 4 minutes of counting without buying any drinks they show me right out). What I have seen in this: The ratio of males to females in those places is something like: 3-4:1. Now think about this: You have a bunch of guys going into a place paying 10 times more for coke and beer than it costs anywhere else in the country because they think that they are going to be sinking their face into vagina that evening. (But most of them won't be anyway.) I pass by bars and see Chinese men fighting with EACH OTHER. Let me spell it out:

1. Drunk Chinese men.

2. Who have spent a lot of money for drinks for women that they are not going to get.

3. Who have a really wounded sense of superiority and need only a tiny little push to start fighting.

4. Who ALWAYS fight in groups. (You have NEVER seen a one-on-one fight in China. Not when Chinese people are fighting each other, nor when they are fighting foreigners.)

5. Who have not had sex with women in a little while (if ever) both because of being short on game, and because there just aren't enough women to get. (We have talked about this topic / had a flame war a few years back, the sex imbalance in China. I have done a yahoo search and then done a search restriction to articles that just cover this topic within the *last month. Results:

[url]http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/article/2012/05/29/global-roundup-china-works-toward-remedying-gender-imbalance-one-step-closer-to-0?amp=&quicktabs_popular=1[/url]

[url]http://insidechina.onehotspots.com/china-serious-imbalance-in-the-male-and-female-sex-ratio-at-birth-than-118100/44431/[/url]

[url]http://www.china.org.cn/china/2012-05/24/content_25466660.htm[/url]

).

If you crunch the numbers, it works out to something like 130:100 (males to females) of bar aged people.

6. Do the math. (This math is simple enough for even a black person to understand *sarcastic smirk- like the one that is doing it right now. And even simple enough for a black person to reason through- like the black person that is reasoning through it now *eyebrows raised, derisive smirk*).100 Chinese men in a bar. 25 women. 1 foreign man. 75 of those men wouldn't have gotten a woman anyway. But one single foreign man can become the target of rage of 75 angry little men with short penises if he even so much as looks in the direction of one of the local women. Or if he even brings his own, every single one of those men is thinking "It's because of that guy that I am going home to rub one out into a sock tonight. If it wasn't for him, I would be enjoying Female Odor Momentos!"

So, the attack was not quite provoked, but there IS a such thing as contributory negligence (by doing something stupid like, say, going into a bar with a bunch of sexually frustrated Chinese men who can't get women of their own because of inherent scarcity or whatever reason and who have had alcohol). I've been in China for approaching 9 years now, and I go running every night at 1 or 2 in the morning and say "Hello" to all the drunk people on the way, and I have not been attacked one single time.

Do you mean to tell me these US consulate employees were so fucking stupid that they didn't know their surroundings even *that* well? Give me a fucking break.[/QUOTE]Well written. Would like to repost on some other sites, if this is ok.

This applies across the world. Not just here. Granted there is more focus due to the lastest events here.

Try walking the streets in nightclub hot spots in Australia at 1-4am and see how out of control mob volience is.

Welcome to repost

[QUOTE=Clandestine782; 1292279]This is not what you think it is. I don't drink or smoke, but I do take walks a night. When I am out walking (sober, unlike most of the Chinese men at these clubs) , I pass clubs. On some occasions, I have taken it upon myself to go in and count (and strangely enough, the bouncers, employees can see what I am doing and after about 4 minutes of counting without buying any drinks they show me right out). What I have seen in this: The ratio of males to females in those places is something like: 3-4:1. Now think about this: You have a bunch of guys going into a place paying 10 times more for coke and beer than it costs anywhere else in the country because they think that they are going to be sinking their face into vagina that evening. (But most of them won't be anyway.) I pass by bars and see Chinese men fighting with EACH OTHER. Let me spell it out:

1. Drunk Chinese men.

2. Who have spent a lot of money for drinks for women that they are not going to get.

3. Who have a really wounded sense of superiority and need only a tiny little push to start fighting.

4. Who ALWAYS fight in groups. (You have NEVER seen a one-on-one fight in China. Not when Chinese people are fighting each other, nor when they are fighting foreigners.)

5. Who have not had sex with women in a little while (if ever) both because of being short on game, and because there just aren't enough women to get. (We have talked about this topic / had a flame war a few years back, the sex imbalance in China. I have done a yahoo search and then done a search restriction to articles that just cover this topic within the *last month. Results:

[url]http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/article/2012/05/29/global-roundup-china-works-toward-remedying-gender-imbalance-one-step-closer-to-0?amp=&quicktabs_popular=1[/url]

[url]http://insidechina.onehotspots.com/china-serious-imbalance-in-the-male-and-female-sex-ratio-at-birth-than-118100/44431/[/url]

[url]http://www.china.org.cn/china/2012-05/24/content_25466660.htm[/url]

).

If you crunch the numbers, it works out to something like 130:100 (males to females) of bar aged people.

6. Do the math. (This math is simple enough for even a black person to understand *sarcastic smirk- like the one that is doing it right now. And even simple enough for a black person to reason through- like the black person that is reasoning through it now *eyebrows raised, derisive smirk*).100 Chinese men in a bar. 25 women. 1 foreign man. 75 of those men wouldn't have gotten a woman anyway. But one single foreign man can become the target of rage of 75 angry little men with short penises if he even so much as looks in the direction of one of the local women. Or if he even brings his own, every single one of those men is thinking "It's because of that guy that I am going home to rub one out into a sock tonight. If it wasn't for him, I would be enjoying Female Odor Momentos!"

So, the attack was not quite provoked, but there IS a such thing as contributory negligence (by doing something stupid like, say, going into a bar with a bunch of sexually frustrated Chinese men who can't get women of their own because of inherent scarcity or whatever reason and who have had alcohol). I've been in China for approaching 9 years now, and I go running every night at 1 or 2 in the morning and say "Hello" to all the drunk people on the way, and I have not been attacked one single time.

Do you mean to tell me these US consulate employees were so fucking stupid that they didn't know their surroundings even *that* well? Give me a fucking break.[/QUOTE]Just to make sure that you NOT think that I'm just trying to spam / start a flame war, please understand that I am just trying to bring out another POV.

First, I definitely agree with your title "contributory negligence" for indeed I do observe that there are just too many foreigners in China who are just totally unaware of what their presence means; and I'm talking about the stereotypical "Ugly" American and / or other foreign nationals who comes here and really are "ugly." And how these blowhards definitely leaves a bad taste in the mouth of the locals against ALL foreigners.

And there is like you pointed out, just common sense and how some foreigners armed with an inebriated mind AND Dollars and Euros or whatever, think that since they are comparatively wealthy (something which they do NOT think when at their own home) , then proceeds to be extra obnoxious. And their own prejudices. Even thinking they're "angry little men with short penises". Makes for a volatile combination.

And lets put this in the context of another country; say you're in London and in your path is a drunken football crowd spilling out of a pub. Do you just walk straight ahead instead of crossing the street? No matter what colour you are? And especially if you've got a Lady friend with you?

Even you saying your innocuous (in your mind)"hello" to the drunk locals on your jogs. What, at 1 or 2 in the morning? Chinese by nature is already quite reticent to strangers, but even in the States, say you do that at 2 in the morning and it just happens that you've startled him (quite likely) , what do you think will happen?

Anyway, my point is that one needs to be VERY cognizant of one's own surroundings no matter where you are and that shit happens everywhere.

SEAN

[quote]Even you saying your innocuous (in your mind)"hello" to the drunk locals on your jogs. What, at 1 or 2 in the morning? Chinese by nature is already quite reticent to strangers, but even in the States, say you do that at 2 in the morning and it just happens that you've startled him (quite likely) , what do you think will happen?[/quote]Let me qualify that statement.

1. A bar is the perfect context for a fight to happen. So, my saying something to someone who is staring at me during a jog (I never live in big cities- only in the countryside or third or fourth tier cities) expectantly will never come to any harm and is not quite the same context. Usually, I will say "Hello," and they will say "Hello" right back. It is only when people stare or give me the expectant look or tap their friends and say something like "Look, here comes a hello" that they get "hello" and that winning smile.

2. Thanks for not thinking of it as a flame war.

3. The guy who was attacked in the bar may not have been acting like a bad guy. After all, the music in the bars is so loud that you can scarcely say enough intelligible words to insult someone.

4. Living in the United States, I have found that drunk white people are harmless. They might do is say something weird. Drunk black people are best steered clear of. They might shoot you. (Troy Davis.)

5. And I beg to differ. I attest to the fact that the men here DO have a very wounded sense of superiority. It comes out in many other contexts. I remember once stopping to pet a cat (I am fond of animals) and someone told me: "This cat only likes Chinese people." That has happened more than once. I can understand Mandarin quite well, and it has happened MANY times that I have gone somewhere and spoken to someone who has put on a big show of not understanding me- waving their hands dismissively. (I NEVER speak English to any local person as a first choice. And if they speak to me in English first, then I answer them in Chinese.) You can tell from their facial expression that they understand what is being said. You can know that when you used that dialogue last week at the same place, it got the same task accomplished. It is just that ONE person behind that desk / counter that is trying to find some petty, childish way to put themselves in a position of strength or to sneer at a foreign person. (If they can't understand my Chinese, then the subtext must be: "Oh, you foreign barbarian. I can't understand your talk. You can't speak the language of the pure and perfect Han race.")

6. With respect, if you saw a Chinese man go into a bar of black biotches (which, logically, should happen a lot more often- generally less agreeable men making a market out of generally less agreeable women) and decide that he wanted to take home two or three that night, I don't think you would see ANY black man ANYWHERE get all hot under the collar about it. For men (of any color) who have a stomach for black women (I don't) there are plenty enough of them to go around. No need to fight / kill each other. But in this case of Chinese women (owing to the Chinese penchant for sex selective abortion) , there really AREN'T enough of that perfect commodity to go around. (The Chinese women are physically perfect in EVERY SINGLE WAY. God was at the top of his game when he made them.) So, every foreign man's gain really IS a Chinese man's loss.

The embassy warning says ". By all accounts, the attack was unprovoked."

But other reports are not quite saying the same thing, including the bar's own release. Read here the response of the club management: [url]http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2012/06/12/Got-this-notice-from-US-embassy-in-my-email-today?page=1[/url]

Thank you for that clarification!

1. He got what he deserved if what that letter says is true.

2. Even if not one word of what it says is true, going into a bar looking for a woman (in a country with a shortage of women) is AT YOUR OWN RISK and *forewarned is forearmed.

So, either way, it was his OWN dumb-assed fault.

These are several sites. It is not for the benefit of the photos, but for the fact that this actually happens in the way that you know that it must- even if you can't believe that it does.

[url]http://www.chinasmack.com/2009/pictures/chinese-black-couple-shanghai-metro.html[/url]

[url]http://www.chinasmack.com/2011/pictures/chinese-men-with-black-women-african-wives.html[/url]

I really should set up a business to try to introduce Chinese men to black women. That would solve a lot of problems.

I will be visiting the country next month. As I black guy should I be concerned getting some in Beijing? Just been informed by an escort service via email that none of the providers are willing to be with a black dude.

You will have a harder time with the escort services since most of their girls don't speak English and come from the country side. You should look at pick up bars and saunas that are frequented by foreigners. I am a Shanghai expert not Beijing so I cannot give you specific locations. Search the Beijing board for pick up bars and saunas. The pick up bars will likely have Filipinas and Vietnamese in addition to Chinese take out.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=Jinozuri;1471786]I will be visiting the country next month. As I black guy should I be concerned getting some in Beijing? Just been informed by an escort service via email that none of the providers are willing to be with a black dude.[/QUOTE]

Thanks very much Fritobugger, this is very useful information. I have been on the Beijing board for the last month or so and managed to pick out a couple of names of places. I will check them out.

Thanks again.

[QUOTE=Fritobugger; 1471815]You will have a harder time with the escort services since most of their girls don't speak English and come from the country side. You should look at pick up bars and saunas that are frequented by foreigners. I am a Shanghai expert not Beijing so I cannot give you specific locations. Search the Beijing board for pick up bars and saunas. The pick up bars will likely have Filipinas and Vietnamese in addition to Chinese take out.

Good luck.[/QUOTE]

That is not correct. You just need to be able to understand some Chinese in order to make things happen.

In Guangzhou, for example, there's been an African presence in the city for more than a decade. Shanghai and Beijing, same deal to a lesser extent. There's definitely an element of discrimination against people of color, and you will meet civilian girls that aren't shy about saying,"I'd never sleep with a black guy," but. Yeah, there are plenty of women that don't share that sentiment, or even really dig men of color. And at the same time, lots of Chinese cities are increasingly multicultural, and if you want to sleep with- whoever, a girl from a country you've never heard of, you can hook it up. It's like anywhere: put in enough work, and you can find someone.

As far as paying for it goes, when I go to saunas in the south, I quite often see people from the Indian Subcontinent, Southeast Asia, Africa. Girls that have sex for money tend to be quite welcoming of people from different backgrounds, as long as they have money in their pocket.

But that is not true for people of color from the Indian subcontinent, I have seen on many occasion they being treated very well by Chinese people. Much better than white or black people ever would be.

It's easy to ignore it but these days there are a lot of discrimination against white people in China. I would say they are in the same situation like black people.

I don't want to get into a debate about who Chinese people hate least.

If we're talking about South Asians. Among many Chinese and especially among working girls, there is the perception that Indians are cheap. That is one of a handful of Chinese stereotypes about South Asians, which I'm not going to recount here. As South Asian men are great patrons of the working girls of all regions of Asia, many of us have seen maltreatment of South Asian clients (sometimes deserved; sometimes not). This conversation usually devolves into broad stereotypes and it's not incredibly helpful, I guess.

I just wanted to say this: for a black man in China, you have a lot of options. I think, depending on where you are (and I think China is a thousand times better than the rest of East Asia) , you can do very, very well for yourself.

Actually. It occurs to me that in China, especially here in Guangzhou and Shenzhen, maybe even in Shanghai or Beijing, it might be easier for a black dude with some amount of game to get it for free than to pay for it. Chinese girls have the same curiosity and urges as dudes that are attracted by the Other, and if your tastes run toward Russians, Europeans, or North American girls, you've got an even better shot at having a lot of success.

Thanks everyone for all your comments. Preparing for my Beijing trip in a few hours. Looking forward to it.

Thanks for the warning. Been traveling around for a decade and a half so I am sure I can smell a bad deal from a mile away. But it's always great to get local knowledge in new destinations.

[QUOTE=YoungTriarii;1485113]Man, it's going to suck. Try not to spend too much money, and be careful.[/QUOTE]

So it's been a while since I was in the forum but today wanted to give you a very brief update. I stayed in Beijing about a week and was treated very well by hotel staff and tour guides. On the mongering trail I started with the local hotel's massage service, asked for room-service to see if there'd be extra at the end which there sure was. I know I was being overcharged but went along with it paying $60 on top of the regular massage fee. Two days later I located a club (whose name I don't recall now), went there by cab and managed to see a few black guys there. I didn't like the scene so decided to try getting a cab to Maggies. Even though I had the instructions written out in Chinese, no cab driver wanted to take me there. So I decided to walk because it was 7-10 blocks from where I was. On the way got waylaid by some sweet talking SW who spoke enough English to convince me that ST for $60 wouldn't be a bad a idea. 15 min walk and I ended up at a reasonably clean small apartment and 30 min later I was happy enough to catch a cab (with her help) to my hotel. So all in all, it was well worth the experience.

[QUOTE=Jinozuri;1485224]Thanks for the warning. Been traveling around for a decade and a half so I am sure I can smell a bad deal from a mile away. But it's always great to get local knowledge in new destinations.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jinozuri;1573011] {S N I P} So I decided to walk because it was 7-10 blocks from where I was. On the way got waylaid by some sweet talking SW who spoke enough English to convince me that ST for $60 wouldn't be a bad a idea. 15 min walk and I ended up at a reasonably clean small apartment and 30 min later I was happy enough to catch a cab (with her help) to my hotel. So all in all, it was well worth the experience.[/QUOTE]You're a braver man than I am, Gunga Din!

Cheers.

Pretty disgusting and culturally insensitive: [URL]http://www.aol.com/article/2016/05/28/chinese-company-says-critics-calling-its-ad-racist-should-light/21385490/[/URL].