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Anyone ever hear of this being done or have done so yourself? I'm planning a trip to Asia where bareback is a common occurance and kept running into odd comments from posters about taking certain meds. I was pm'ing a senior poster about my next trip and he told me he take doxy before a trip so that its in his system for any barebacking that will take place. I know getting doxy is next to impossible in Germany without a prescription but in the states you can order pretty much anything over the internet. The deal is you take the doxy right before you depart on your trip and then quit a week after you get back home. I was told its not a common practice but he knows that some of the guys do the same thing. It makes sense to me, its like taking out an insurance plan.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1544278]It makes sense to me, its like taking out an insurance plan.[/QUOTE]Ahahahah! Take a talisman! It's cheaper and will give you the same results!

My 2 cents

Funny story is told on the homepage of King Club in Cologne. Tells how the Teckenfrau had to call two red light scene expert to save the club from girls offering AO:

Here's a google translation:

[i]AM 3/27/2014 Live at RTL2 at 23:10 clock.

Red-experts in use.

German brothels in need.

A new application is waiting for the red light expert Ulla Top Ender and Michael Beretin in Cologne. Once again it is a brothel in distress to rescue. The "Kings Club Cologne" urgently needs the help of the two red light experts, otherwise go here soon the red lights. The special feature of this application: Not operator Peter. 43 calls the two experts to help, but his counter wife Anna. 35

Anna can no longer watch as Peter with his good nature both his, and the existence of all others in the Kings Club further endangers easy.

The main problem of the Kings Club are in fact no lack of suitors, or as enemies of Peter, the main problem are his friends. The gather daily at the bar of the Kings Club to take Peter's hospitality and, above all, his generosity over fee. Beverages, cigarettes and love the service of women like to be taken, but never paid. As Peter, however, has the women who work for him pay anyway daily, prevails in the office of the Kings Clubs gaping void. Peter is about to go under. Counter Anna can no longer watch and asks, without Peter's knowledge, the red light experts for help. Since Anna she also informed in advance about the fact that Peters so-called friends are now gone over to scare the other guests in the Kings Club, so that the women present there are only subject to its-unpaid-available, the tally experts decide the Kings Club with a " double clip "to explore before their first visit. For the first time "Testhure" Sarah and a test-free "undercover" introduced into the club to take both the customer and the provider-side at the club under the microscope. Because-and this is also an information by Anna-some women in the Kings Club have been persuaded of Peter's friends to offer sex without protection. An absolute disgrace from the perspective of red light experts.

And after the use of Testhure and test clients, there is then also no longer any doubt. The problems at the Kings Club are just as barmaid Anna has described it, if not much worse. A lot of hard work will be waiting for the red light expert and a problem, as it has so far not been found in any brothel in need. And how will the owner Peter react when the red light experts appear at once in his brothel? Because he has not even called, but his barmaid.

Tons of potential for conflict and tension are inevitable. Because Peter's "friends" are guaranteed not simply pay their debts to Peter and then renounce its previous privileges. And it remains to clarify the issue of unprotected sex, the offer were some women seem willing. Not to mention, by the outdoor sauna that is often used by guests of the nearby gas station and times to take a look at brothel-typical tasks.

EXCLUSIVE THE REPORT "accompanies the red-expert Ulla Top Ender and Michael Beretin in the Kings Club in Cologne, with its latest commitment to rescue German brothels in need. [/i]

Source:

[url]http://www.kings-club-cologne.de/events.html/[/url]

Anybody watched the RTL show? What a disgrace when a saunaclub has nothing better to offer than crap stories, AO or not.

To try to give life to this thread, I ask a question: why in parties, GBs, movies, etc., men have to provide or make a test on the spot for HIV and sometimes other STDs, and in AO clubs this is not required?

Are in these clubs stored tests of the girls for customers to see them? If yes, why they are not visible, like the photos with the services offered? For privacy?

[QUOTE=EastGoing; 1556433]To try to give life to this thread, I ask a question: why in parties, GBs, movies, etc, men have to provide or make a test on the spot for HIV and sometimes other STDs, and in AO clubs this is not required?

Are in these clubs stored tests of the girls for customers to see them? If yes, why they are not visible, like the photos with the services offered? For privacy?[/QUOTE]Most AO clubs are for daredevils only. Few clubs (like CA) have tests of the girls available on demand, but most of them don't care (about your health or that of the girls).

The pre-party tests at many GB parties, are of course good intention, but also not waterproof, so also requires some daredevilling.

[QUOTE=Maxime; 1557147]Most AO clubs are for daredevils only. Few clubs (like CA) have tests of the girls available on demand, but most of them don't care (about your health or that of the girls).

The pre-party tests at many GB parties, are of course good intention, but also not waterproof, so also requires some daredevilling.[/QUOTE]Well. My opinion is that the tests are more to alleviate irrational fears in some punters, rather than really preventing anything.

This has been debated ad nauseam here and elswhere, so I won't expand.

Anyway, whoever plays AO knows that he takes more risks than if not. As well as whoever has sex takes more risks than someone who does not.

[QUOTE=EastGoing;1556433]To try to give life to this thread, I ask a question: why in parties, GBs, movies, etc., men have to provide or make a test on the spot for HIV and sometimes other STDs, and in AO clubs this is not required?[/QUOTE]Because they can pocket an extra 20 € at the gangbangs for doing the tests, whereas the AO-clubs want to offer a cheap flatrate and don't want to spoil it by additional cost for tests. Almost no one gives a rats ass about the tests anyway, except for collecting the money. The exceptions (meaning those who do it for health reasons) are the ones that demand a laboratory test or have the on-site test included in the flatrate price or charge only their self-cost of 5 to 6 € for it. Anybody who takes more than that does the tests primarily for the money they can collect. The exception here is Sexy-Susi's husband, who is an actual medical doctor and gives you a written result of the test for the 20 € you pay, just like it would happen at any other doctor's practice.

[QUOTE=Dreams;1557187]Well. My opinion is that the tests are more to alleviate irrational fears in some punters, rather than really preventing anything.[/QUOTE]I totally agree with Dreams' assessment here.

Once more Natascha The Gangbang Queen as the example: She does AO-Gangbangs WORLDWIDE for DECADES by now and is still healthy, agile and horny for cum. I believe that right now she's in Florida, looking for hordes of guys to creampie her. She's healthy as ever, as is "SpermastuteMUC", who got creampied by around 40 guys last SAT in a porn theatre in Munich and on a parking place for free, (Therefore the Bavarian paysex-AO-ban doesn't apply.) like she is regularly doing every few weeks.

Now tell me: Where does the irrational fear come from? Answer: From decades of propaganda from the AIDS-industry.

What does the saying "If you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras!" mean? Right, you think about more common circumstances instead of more rare ones. So why this ridiculous fear of STDs when traveling is way more dangerous? Just go and bang Natascha and be happy!

Hey guys!

Going to be in NRW from May 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 for pure fun! My last trip I went to FKK Dietzenbach and really liked the system there. You saw pics of the girls and what they provided (most AO) and you could take 2 or 3 girls private and it just costed each girl as one of your sessions (so basically 40 per session).

My question. Is there any other FKK style places like this in NRW? I don't want to have to drive all the way to Dietzenbach as I want to spend my vacation in the dusseldorf area as there are way more options! I plan on going to love factory but I'm not sure about the threesome situation?

My last trip to Dietzenbach was amazing. I had two of the hottest girls and one would BBBJ me immediately after barebacking her friends pussy and then she would shove my dick back into the pussy. This was amazing!

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Bobbyson; 1564077]Hey guys!

Going to be in NRW from May 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 for pure fun! My last trip I went to FKK Dietzenbach and really liked the system there. You saw pics of the girls and what they provided (most AO) and you could take 2 or 3 girls private and it just costed each girl as one of your sessions (so basically 40 per session).

My question. Is there any other FKK style places like this in NRW? I don't want to have to drive all the way to Dietzenbach as I want to spend my vacation in the dusseldorf area as there are way more options! I plan on going to love factory but I'm not sure about the threesome situation?

My last trip to Dietzenbach was amazing. I had two of the hottest girls and one would BBBJ me immediately after barebacking her friends pussy and then she would shove my dick back into the pussy. This was amazing!

Thanks![/QUOTE]Yep, there are many of these RTCs in NRW (more then in Hessen / Frankfurt area). Some of them are the same owner, so same concept like FKK Dietzenbach.

Most popular are Villa Venus (Duisburg) , Arabella (Bochum) and Alina (Dorsten).

Enjoy!

[QUOTE=Maxime; 1564376]Yep, there are many of these RTCs in NRW (more then in Hessen / Frankfurt area). Some of them are the same owner, so same concept like FKK Dietzenbach.

Most popular are Villa Venus (Duisburg) , Arabella (Bochum) and Alina (Dorsten).

Enjoy![/QUOTE]Thank you sir! Exactly what I was looking for!

[QUOTE=Bobbyson;1564461][/QUOTE]Mate, I think you have read very little and understood even less, in fact those who normally post in this section didn't bother to answer, I do it just as an "update".

These clubs are called AO for the obvious reason. In Arabella strangely 2 girls work with condom, therefore I don't think they would proceed without, also I don't know why you should want to pay a surcharge to them (even if one is a black stunner) , since all the other ones offer it.

I have been to VV this week, I sessioned with a girl coming from Alina, she said that nearly all girls left the club and only 5 are left.

Websites are not updated, currently VV has the same pay structure of the Grimberg and Arabella: 60 euros entrance with a session, then 30 euros each further session.

[QUOTE=Bobbyson;1564461]So I went to the website of these three. And it says all inclusive 3x €110. So is it like dietzenbach where you don't pay extras. AO is included if the girl does it? It seems like I've read a lot about girls charging extra for AO.[/QUOTE]Indeed, ALL services offered by the girl are included, so also AO, A-level, CIF / CIM, etc, as said, IF they offer it.

Most girls of course offer AO, since these are AO clubs.

Another one is Grimberg BTW.

Different concept, but similar services: Club Angelique (Vierssen). Has the most beautiful AO girls around IMHO. Add +30 euro for AO (Std sessions 20 minutes = 30 euro. 30 inutes = 50 euro. 60 minutes = 80 euro). So a bit more expensive, but the girls are much much better in looks.

[QUOTE=Bobbyson; 1564077]Hey guys!

Going to be in NRW from May 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 for pure fun! My last trip I went to FKK Dietzenbach and really liked the system there. You saw pics of the girls and what they provided (most AO) and you could take 2 or 3 girls private and it just costed each girl as one of your sessions (so basically 40 per session).

My question. Is there any other FKK style places like this in NRW? I don't want to have to drive all the way to Dietzenbach as I want to spend my vacation in the dusseldorf area as there are way more options! I plan on going to love factory but I'm not sure about the threesome situation?

My last trip to Dietzenbach was amazing. I had two of the hottest girls and one would BBBJ me immediately after barebacking her friends pussy and then she would shove my dick back into the pussy. This was amazing!

Thanks![/QUOTE]You can try Dolce Vita Raubach, which isn't too far from the Dusseldorf area. I used to go there on my trips to Frankfurt until I discovered Dietzenbach. Overall, I would rank the two clubs about equallly.

[QUOTE=EastGoing; 1564854]Mate, I think you have read very little and understood even less, in fact those who normally post in this section didn't bother to answer, I do it just as an "update".

I have been to VV this week, I sessioned with a girl coming from Alina, she said that nearly all girls left the club and only 5 are left.[/QUOTE]It's obvious to me "mate" that you have read very little and understand even less. Here's clue. Girls are always coming and going from these clubs. That's not new news.

I'm not new to this, and my question was fair. There are a lot of different viens to mongering in Germany. There is Red light districts, partytreffs, pauschal clubs, FKK's, sex party's, swinger clubs gangbangs etc. Etc, etc. You said yourself that "websites aren't updated" and I in fact read plenty on these clubs. Sorry I bothered you with my question. And it seems in fact someone did respectfully reply. Thank you.

I went to VV. There was 15 girls and it was the exact same set up as Dietzenbach. Report to come.

[QUOTE=Bobbyson;1564077]My question. Is there any other FKK style places like this in NRW?[/QUOTE]You mean that someone reading the AO section here can possibly ask this question, talking about Dietzenbach?
Even if you read only Dietzenbach thread you may find mention of NRW clubs.

Not to criticize you, but VV pay structure currently, as I posted, seems to be different from Dietzenbach's.

Finally, you posted you would be in NRW 9-14 of may, and you posted being in VV on the 5th. It seems to me that you are confused even about yourself, LOL!

P. S.
It's ok man, don't take things too seriously, I even avoided telling you the horrible "RTFF" ;-)
Looking forward to reading your contributions. I'll soon post about my visits, tastes are tastes but I can tell you in advance that I disagree about the abundance of fuckable girls in VV last week, I had one and only because it was included in the compulsory entrance fee

[QUOTE=Maxime;1557147] Few clubs (like CA) have tests of the girls available on demand, but most of them don't care (about your health or that of the girls)[/QUOTE]I wasn't sure about posting this, but I thought it wouldn't make any difference: I recently witnessed a girl entering an AO club asking for the possibility to work. I was by the counter, so I heard nearly all the interview, less than a minute:
"you make anal?", "no", "can you take sperm in mouth?", "yes".
I might have lost a couple of words during the translations girls-TF, so anything might have been said, but not much more was asked. I don't think she had any kind of papers or tests, at least I didn't see any, I would say it was her first day of work in the business. She looked quite shy and very lost, funnily trying to speak little unneeded english, even to her compatriots, but no german at all. Then a girl accompanied her to get "changed", they came back and she ended up instantly in the arms of an old fat lad, they started kissing and the adventure began. I watched for a couple of seconds and it seemed she could do it, maybe her look misled me. I left for zimmer and couldn't follow the matter. She would do AO?

For the record, the girl I zimmered had started working only 2 weeks before, she said she had some stomachache, I asked "mestruatie?". She smiled and said "no". We changed 3 positions, nothing to declare. When I finished and pulled out my dick, maybe because of dim lights, I didn't notice anything. When she gave me the papers to clean and dry, fucking light red stains appeared on them. I went to shower and left hardly greeting...

So it looks at though some chick named Jordan Night is posting on Xhamster that she provides AO and is available at the P-Club.

Here is a video of someone fucking her AO and coming in her pussy. You can see the P-Club poster on the wall, so it appears it is coming from inside the club. The video also ends with contact information and an email address for the P-Club, which appears to have been previously called Grenz FKK.

[URL]https://xhamster.com/movies/3245695/jordan_night_shameless_*****_fucks_without_condom_at_p_club.html[/URL]

There is also a selfie of her in her Xhamster profile that appears to validate that it is indeed her.

Visiting the website of the P-Club, I didn't see any mention of AO being available.

[URL]http://en.the-pclub.de/[/URL]

Her website just redirects to a CAM page, so nothing interesting there. Wonder if she is really available for AO? I'd fuck her, even though I don't like her fake tits.

Looks like it might be expensive there though. Possibly and entrance fee and then have to negotiate with the lady directly.

Hi all,

Should be on AO parties (gang bangs preferred) hunt from the 18th (or 16th) to the 22nd of August.

Right now it is too early to plan anything but if you hear of anything good happening or plan to go in a party, drop me a pm.

GGGfan.

P.S.: Report on the gb01 party in Morfelden the 4th of July still under process.

[QUOTE=Gggfan;1596195]Hi all,

Should be on AO parties (gang bangs preferred) hunt from the 18th (or 16th) to the 22nd of August.

[/QUOTE]I'm headed for Germany, starting my tour attending the Gb01 event in Hamburg on the 11th. I've also signed up for the Spermagames event in Wulfrath on the 16th. Still on the fence with regards to the remaining days, but will definitely be looking for trouble! I'm getting around by way of motorcycle, but will happily meet up, if nothing else you could consider Wulfrath on the 16th. ?

[QUOTE=ThomasNorway;1596267]I'm headed for Germany, starting my tour attending the Gb01 event in Hamburg on the 11th. I've also signed up for the Spermagames event in Wulfrath on the 16th. Still on the fence with regards to the remaining days, but will definitely be looking for trouble! I'm getting around by way of motorcycle, but will happily meet up, if nothing else you could consider Wulfrath on the 16th. ?[/QUOTE]Hi ThomasNorway,

Considering that:
- the 16th is a bit early for my schedule.
- the lineup at Spermagames the 16th is not as strong as it could (maybe I am wrong. Just need to be convinced LOL).
- it is way up north of my route.
It seems that we won't meet on this occasions, but I am happy to know that you are also looking for some hot dates around the same time.

Discussion to be continued in PM as I would not like to bother the other members (hey, no worry, I will announce where I will head and report(s) be written afterword and published on ISG as usual).

[QUOTE=ThomasNorway;1596267]I'm headed for Germany, starting my tour attending the Gb01 event in Hamburg on the 11th. [/QUOTE]Note that the black girls Stella and Missy are not AO at all 4 GB01-events during that week! So that will leave you with Schokobebe Vicky and Chanie for AO in Stuhr, Hamburg and theüren and with AO-Coco as a 3rd AO woman in Mörfelden. [URL]http://gb01.tv/events.php[/URL].

And what's with the GGG-film event hosted by GB01 in Stuhr on August 23rd? It's for free, but if you want to fuck, you'll have to bring tests with you that will cost you over 80 €.

[QUOTE=Gggfan;1596195]Should be on AO parties (gang bangs preferred) hunt from the 18th (or 16th) to the 22nd of August.[/QUOTE]For August 18th, there is a Spermabang listed on Sexy-Susi's website for Hattingen, I guess that means that she will do an AO-Gangbang there with Melanie Moon. [URL]http://www.sexy-susi.info/Seite5n.php[/URL].

No sign of that on the Spermabang-site yet, but they list an event for August 21st in Karlsruhe: [URL]http://spermabang.com/events.html[/URL].

i try to give life to this thread by making a bit of outing about my personal experience over ao. it's not going to be about the already ad nauseam debated health issues, but about the mental approach and condition.

i've always been a sex addicted, living in places where mongering (and even getting normal girlfriends) is difficult due to normal lack of beauties, bad or terrible and expensive services (specially if compared to german ao clubs), but i had the freedom to travel anywhere (when not having a girlfriend) and to change continuously prostitutes, both at home and abroad.

let's say that i was free to be unsatisfied, lol!

since starting serial aoing in germany, i became a prisoner. i tried to quit it for some 4 months last winter, mongering elsewhere, but i couldn't help going back. i increased the number and frequency of my trips, currently i have booked quite a few flights until march 2015! furthermore, i started barebacking sws at home since this spring.

my problem is that i feel like a prisoner, because:

- i can't travel anywhere else, because nowhere else it is so easy to get ao, specially at those prices, without having to make searches or negotiations. i don't consider countries out of europe due to distance and i can't imagine a touristic trip where sex is not the main course.

- i can't change clubs, because i would waste time and money in a place where i must make covered sex. i already feel little and often don't unload even without condoms. unfortunately, pharmaceutical companies created medicines to delay orgasm, not to speed it up.
i know i could get ao in other clubs, and with girls i would find more attractive, but a single session in the overall would cost me maybe 6-7 times as much: counting, for instance, the entrance of an oase, the cost of a session and the surcharge, i may end up with something like 70+50+50 or 100, risking anyway a shark, cold fish, etc. this if i could easily find a girl willing to do it without even knowing me, since i know by personal experience that some girls react quite badly when you ask such a thing, specially if they haven't known you previously.
i suffer from noticing that, as far as i can guess in this moment, if i flew back to nrw tomorrow, i would be "forced" to go with raissa in arabella, angie and lily in grimberg, elena in venus, the latter basically for the teenager's kissing. actually, none of them physically is to my liking, but i can't find better in those 3 clubs, unless some new girls join, and unfortunately when there is a new one worth, she doesn't last long for one reason or another.
with recent rules putting obstacles to repetitions, it's even harder for me now. that's why i was so happy about discovering verena, where i have a few valid options, nothing extraordinary, and i don't have to struggle so much when having to choose, and not among the "less worse girls".

- last thing i want on earth is a girlfriend, even if of course a female company can be a source of pleasure, i don't want anymore any hassle of any kind: feelings, money, bonds, etc. , but since becoming a serial aoer i abandoned even the thought of joking with a normal girl, asking her out, etc. , for two reasons: one is that in the past, having a girlfriend meant having unprotected intercourses, because ao was out of my life, now i can have it everyday; the second one is that i would always be afraid of passing to an innocent person some disease i may have caught unknowingly. even with prostitutes where i live i have this concern: i didn't bb a couple of them who might have let me have it because i had the reasonable doubt that they could bb only with me, while the ones i've gone with openly declare and are reknown for doing it with some customers.
so, even at home, i'm a prisoner, and much more than abroad, and with a much worse service: girls who would fit, in terms of look, the average specimen of an ao club, but they are perfect corpses not smiling, not hugging, not kissing, not changing positions, not helping you at all in case of "weakness", actually abandoning you (when not raging), etc.
some girls i started with have left, now only 5-6 openly doing it, and 3 of them refuse me after i went with another one! the only other thing they have in common with arabella girls, lol! anyway, i'm going to use pills when aoing at home to prevent my dick from dieing inside these refrigerators! i find it humiliating, specially thinking that it is ao, but i don't want to take chances anymore with these craps.
and i can't go with other girls, whether new or more beautiful, also for economical and mathematical reasons: i can fuck bb in car for 40-50 euros and at home for 50-70, how could i pay as much, when not more (quite easy to be asked), to use a condom? some do bb, but shoot 150-200!

let's say that, if before i was free to be unsatisfied, now i'm prisoner of my insatisfaction, lol!

i know many fellow punters go to normal and to ao clubs, how can you switch?

Thanks for the honest sharing of your thoughts. Must be difficult to feel like an AO prisoner.

Many other mongers here are also prisoners, maybe not of AO, but of Sauna / FKK clubs in general, which might be as bad.

When I feel like I can not have a normal social life anymore, I try to stop clubbing for a few weeks. If this works, I can "safely" continu my clubbing again, at least I think LOL.

Also I try not to visit clubs multiple times a week, as many punters seem to do, and prevent visiting multiple clubs in a row (day after day). Also having a normal girlfriend so now and then helps me to feel not a prisoner.

Try also to plan a holiday far away from any (AO) club sometime. I did for a few weeks, and it is out of your system before you know it.

BTW, do you mean Club Verona in Recklinghausen, or FKK Verena in Dortmund? Probably the latter, since the RTC / AO character of the club, but just asking.

Thanks for your reply, Maxime.

Strangely, I got more in pms than in open forum. Anyway for me it is not so easy.

I assume you live in Germany, I would get crazy if I lived there, or maybe not, I'm getting crazy because I'm staying away.

Even now that I got to the maximum physically possible, AO, at home, but with frozen corpses, I'm unhappy. I think of my previous and future trips all the time, sometimes I dream about and wake up to delusion.

3 nights ago a new SW arrived and would have come home and BB for 50 euros, she said it was her first time to sell herself. 30 years old, pretty, mother of 2, smiling, cheerful, probably she wouldn't be a corpse, probably I wouldn't need to disturb and wake her up by pulling out my dick to spit on our reproductive organs every 2-3 minutes, but I couldn't risk to give her something I might have caught unknowingly, if I get the info that she goes BB also with other customers then I'll take her.

Ok, let's leave this personal topic of mine, it's stuff for psychiatrists. And let's leave this thread to its state of abandon.

P.S. The club was Verena in Dortmund.

At Eastgoing,

Thanks also for your thoughts; I live in the USA, the official sex prison of the free world. So on the rare occasions I can come to Germany I wear myself out at AO clubs. Currently Dolce Vita Raubach is my favorite; I've always been treated wonderfully there. I am also fond of the old LaLuna & Club Angelique, now reconstituted as the new LaLuna, so I hear.

I long ago came to terms with my desires and have no guilt or regrets. As a doctor I'm aware of the risks of AO sex, but frankly it doesn't worry me. There is a lot of hype and craziness over HIV, of which the risk to a heterosexual male is close to zero.

I have just got back from a visit to the 5 girl GB01 gangbang on Monday. I hope to be able to post a detailed report.

I am also contemplating a visit to the 'special anal / sandwich 8-10 girls' event at Spermagames tomorrow, but still not decided.

They have given details of only 7 of the girls so far. Two it appears will be part of the support act and will be doing other 'specialities' (not specified) but are not really part of the main event. They are Linda Lush (of whom I have heard good things) and Sarah (don't know if this Sarah Ann or Sarah May who are mentioned elsewhere on the website or some other Sarah).

But it seems that the 5 who will be doing the anal /'Doppelgngbanger' performance are all seasoned veterans.

Schokobebe: Early 40's?

Rinata: 46

Gundula: Tellingly no longer allows her age to be published on line.

Merinda: Age unknown.

Dark Mara: Or should that be 'Dark ages' Mara. I saw her once in a spermagames event and even though it was in a dimly lit room the pronounced wrinkles on her face stood out like deep, mountain ridges.

I tend to get wildly excited about sticking my knob into firm, rubbery young flesh but it seems that the only women who tend to indulge in these specialist anal / double penetration events nowadays are those whose holes as a result of old age have become so loose and pliable now.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1613352]

I tend to get wildly excited about sticking my knob into firm, rubbery young flesh but it seems that the only women who tend to indulge in these specialist anal / double penetration events nowadays are those whose holes as a result of old age have become so loose and pliable now.[/QUOTE]Welcome back.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1613352]I have just got back from a visit to the 5 girl GB01 gangbang on Monday. I hope to be able to post a detailed report.

I am also contemplating a visit to the 'special anal / sandwich 8-10 girls' event at Spermagames tomorrow, but still not decided.

They have given details of only 7 of the girls so far. Two it appears will be part of the support act and will be doing other 'specialities' (not specified) but are not really part of the main event. They are Linda Lush (of whom I have heard good things) and Sarah (don't know if this Sarah Ann or Sarah May who are mentioned elsewhere on the website or some other Sarah).
[/QUOTE]Please report about the event on Monday in Hannover. Since Chanie (super!) was replaced by Jamie Jadon (lame. And even non-AO these days) not worth the trip anymore for me. Also Linda Fay safe only (also BJ?) and so only Ashlee Cox (super) and maybe Nelly would be worhtwile.

Linda Lush is also great girl, like Gundula is really giving all she hot and very enthousiastic. Rest of the line up not thrilling for me tomorrow at SG.

[QUOTE=Seabreeze0003;1613186] I live in the USA, the official sex prison of the free world.
[/QUOTE]USA are simply too far from the Balkans ;-)

Myrrh, you are still alive! And kicking, I mean, fucking! Is that you or your ghost? Now we will have to wait another year for your post? ;-)

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1613352] it seems that the only women who tend to indulge in these specialist anal / double penetration events nowadays are those whose holes as a result of old age have become so loose and pliable now.[/QUOTE]Sorry, man, but what are you complaining about? It was clearly stated on the website WHO was supposed to be there that day. If the women are not your taste, then don't go there. Your complaint sounds like from a guy who is standing in front of a bakery, complaining about the unavailability of T-bone steaks.

Anyway, I was there and it was a good party. Merinda was missing due to illness, Linda Lush was missing because some idiot ripped apart the inside of her pussy two days earlier at the party in Wülfrath with his sharp fingernails. (Why do some guys have to finger the women at a gangbang?) The two missing girls were replaced by Nadja, and there was also a private AO-Swinger-MILF there (not Myrrh-compatible either) so the number of women was still seven. Close to 40 guys had registered, at least 70 showed up. So the organizers were a little bit in a tight spot and had to bring in additional food and beverages. Too late to get more girls though. Still, everything went down pretty smoothly and I had a good time. Too bad that I wasn't in as good a shape as on other occasions; I could have gotten more out of that party if I would have physically been able to. If I'll find the time, I'll write a report in the SG-thread. (Schokobebe Vicky, Rinata, Gundula, Dark Mara and Sarah Ann were there as advertised.).

Making my annual pilgrimage to AO land. Hope to go to four parties next week. Will be posting on other threads with some questions.

Hello,

I am planning to be there for the charity event. Any one interested in meeting up PM.

Hamburg has other interesting things too. Might even sample some non AO honies in the city.

// Eric.

Visiting from Canada October 22-26 and looking for AO fun. Swinging, GB, one on one. Whatever I can get.

Could really use some international help.

Cheers you lucky bastards!

You picked the wrong region to look for AO. Because of some stupid local Bavarian rule, AO is not allowed in Bavaria, not even BBBJ. The rule applies to prostitution only of course, so if you find a private woman at a Swingerclub or join a video shooting, then you are in luck. Otherwise it will be covered only.

Hi guys,

As I research to make my Euro trip memorable, AO and Gangbang parties come as an unexplored territories to me. It does somehow appear more safe as they took blood test before the event compare to the AO flat rate club where everybody can just come in. To be honest, it s kind of scary to me LOL.

I am wondering that most the parties site are written in German so does it mean they are trying to limit foreigners (google translate doesn't work on some sites)? Never mind German language but I am an Asian with small stature 1 m6 but with athletic build, will it be any problem for me?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Ito038;1626332]Hi guys,

As I research to make my Euro trip memorable, AO and Gangbang parties come as an unexplored territories to me. It does somehow appear more safe as they took blood test before the event compare to the AO flat rate club where everybody can just come in. To be honest, it s kind of scary to me LOL.

I am wondering that most the parties site are written in German so does it mean they are trying to limit foreigners (google translate doesn't work on some sites)? Never mind German language but I am an Asian with small stature 1 m6 but with athletic build, will it be any problem for me?

Thanks[/QUOTE]I have attended to dozens, not to say hundreds of parties in Germany and can only say it like this: there is usually a very friendly and relaxed atmosphere. People are serious and polite if you are the same. Most people also speak English, so you will doubtfully experience any problems at all. So go there and have some safe fun.

They are German and speak German. As an English speaker, I had no problems, but I did learn enough German to ask whether I could cum inside her pussy.

As for your stature issue, don't try out for professional basketball or try fucking a tall girl in heels while standing up.

[QUOTE=Ito038;1626332]Hi guys,

I ondering that most the parties site are written in German so does it mean they are trying to limit foreigners (google translate doesn't work on some sites)? Never mind German language but I am an Asian with small stature 1 m6 but with athletic build, will it be any problem for me?

Thanks[/QUOTE]

I may have to go to Wuppertal. I feel a bit lazy to google map every club, so perhaps one of you could just let me know which AO flat rates clubs are close by? I will probably get a car. I guess most of the NRW AO clubs are not far, but how far?

Thanks

Hey,

The wife is heading back to the UK for a few weeks on Sunday so I'm hoping to enjoy everything the near area has to offer. Have done the Bornheim AO parties twice and really got a taste for it, however would feel more relaxed in intervals with an English speaking buddy (preferably a smoker and into the occasional double team).

Anyone up for it?

[QUOTE=Ito038;1626332]Hi guys,
It does somehow appear more safe as they took blood test before the event compare to the AO flat rate club where everybody can just come in. To be honest, it s kind of scary to me LOL.
Thanks[/QUOTE]I won't go to any AO party that does not test beforehand. I did that once (and only once) in Krefeld and lets just say it did not turn out OK. OUCH!

SpremaGames tests before hand, and so far everything has been clean.

[QUOTE=Mrknowitall;1632938]I won't go to any AO party that does not test beforehand.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Derschotte;1632728]Have done the Bornheim AO parties twice and really got a taste for it, [/QUOTE]Next one is on MON 27th from 16-22:00 and they do tests on-site. Last Monday, there were at least 6 guys there who spoke English. Party was good, I'll definitely go back there, propably again on MON 27th.

[QUOTE=SwingerLover;1633390]Next one is on MON 27th from 16-22:00 and they do tests on-site. Last Monday, there were at least 6 guys there who spoke English. Party was good, I'll definitely go back there, propably again on MON 27th.[/QUOTE]Yeh I like the fact they test and love Jenny's (that's the ginger one right) pussy! Fancy meeting up beforehand? How do you normally get there?

It seems the new German law on prostitution will impose a ban on gangbangs, AO and flat-rate parties.

[quote=derschotte;1633413]yeh i like the fact they test and love jenny's (that's the ginger one right) pussy! fancy meeting up beforehand? how do you normally get there?[/quote]yes, i can imagine that you like jenny. unfortunately she's not as active as the others. nevertheless, i had the best fuck at last monday's party with her, whereas lily was the overall best performer. and did a lot of rep002 games in the shower again. yummy!

i get there by car and don't know anything else in this town, so meeting up beforehand is difficult, unless you want to meet up in the parking lot before entering the building.

[quote=xxl;1633456]it seems the new german law on prostitution will impose a ban on gangbangs, ao and flat-rate parties.[/quote]i've already written about that in the gb01 thread (although it would have been better to write about it here).

there will be no ban on gangbangs, only on [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]-gangbangs, which aren't happening in the prostitution business in germany anyway; at least i see no such thing advertised in germany. except maybe for porn movie shootings, to which the "ban" doesn't apply, since movie shooting is no prostitution.

there will be no ban on ao either, the only thing they are thinking about is prohibiting ao being advertised. which is stupid, since there is no foundation for something like that. otherwise they would ban ao altogether, which they know they can't do. and much less enforce it.

the flatrate parties might become a little difficult to hold, but the "corner stones" of the "draft law" for the prostschg doesn't specify "flatrate parties", only "flatrate brothels" (and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]-gangbang parties). so according to the letter of the draft law, there will be only a problem for pauschalclubs where guys pay a flatrate and go behind closed doors with a woman. the term "flatrate brothel" does not cover public action group sex parties and gangbangs.

after all, this projected "law" is supposed to strengthen the women's right to sexual self-determination, this would mean that women can decide for themselves which services they offer and in what way. prohibiting flatrate offers, ao, ao-ads and gangbangs (even [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] gangbangs!) if the woman wants to do it out of her own free will would be a violation of the underlying spirit of this law. that's what makes most of the "draft law" so ridiculous, makes it unenforceable (if the women stand their ground) and is imo the reason why nothing will actually happen. (the only thing that might happen is that "women's self-determination" might get rid of the "condom-duty" in bavaria and saarland, should any woman actually challenge those rules in a court of law.).

here's the text for the "corner stones" of the "draft law" to the prostschg: [url]https://researchprojectgermany.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/eckpunkte-prostituiertenschutzgesetz.pdf[/url].

and speaking of bavarian and saarlandish nonsense, here are the links to the by-laws regarding the bullshit condom-duties:

[url]http://www.gesetze-bayern.de/jportal/portal/page/bsbayprod.psml?showdoccase=1&st=lr&doc.id=jlr-hygvbyrahmen&doc.part=x&doc.origin=bs[/url]

[url]http://www.amtsblatt.saarland.de/jportal/portal/t/50c/page/bsverkslprod.psml?doc.hl=1&doc.id=vb-sl-abli2014145-g&documentnumber=14&numberofresults=23&showdoccase=1&doc.part=d&paramfromhl=true[/url]#focuspoint.

check § 6 of the bavarian hygiene by-law and § 6 on page 149 of the "amtsblatt des saarlandes".

i can't find any specification of a "territorial validity" or "validity area" or "territorial extension" or "area of applicability" or however you want to translate "areäumlicher geltungsbereich" in both by-laws, (there's only a personal scope and a factual scope of application specified.) which invalidates both by-laws altogether. i wonder if anybody has ever used this argumentation to challenge those "hygieneverordnungen".

the saarlandish by-law regarding hygiene in medical facilities looks different, although the personal scope is missing here (but that doesn't concern me for our purposes here on this forum): [url]http://www.saarland.de/dokumente/res_gesundheit/amtsblatt_des_saarlandes_medhygvo.pdf[/url].

then there's this interesting article here, regarding the "condum-duty" in the saarland: [url]http://www.sol.de/titelseite/topnews/kondompflicht-bordellen-kontrolle-ordnungsamt-saarbruecken-kondompflicht-soll-mit-hinweisschildern-geregelt-werden;art26205[/url], 4333722.

what a laugh! control of the "condom-duty" is limited to checking if there are signs displayed properly in the facilities where paysex is offered! that's it! maybe they'll even check if condoms are provided, but obviously no one checks if condoms are actually used. and regarding street prostitution, there aren't even any buildings where you could hang a sign, so they get off scot-free from any controls. again: what a laugh! are you beginning to understand why i still think nothing will happen due to the planned prostschg? in any event, violations will just be a misdemeanor anyway, so there's nothing to worry about: [url]http://www.buzer.de/s1.htm?a=&g=egowig&kurz=owig&ag=5827[/url].

and since i started this report with a remark about the party in bornheim: to private parties like that, as well as to swingerclubs and movie shootings, the prostschg will not apply anyway. and if bureaucrats should run amok, see above. and here: [url]http://dejure.org/gesetze/bgb/839.html[/url] [url]http://dejure.org/gesetze/bgb/823.html[/url].

the latter two §§ would apply (for example) if the party poopers from the fungirls raid last saturday should not have had a valid warrant.

so enough of this legal stuff now, and don't worry too much about any bans regarding mongering. the "enforcement" of the "condom-duty" in the saarland is a good example about how things will unfold. unless the women and organizers play along obediently and let their rights get trampled upon by the bureaucrats without resistance, which is the only thing that i would really be afraid of.

[quote=Swingerlover;1633739]Yes, I can imagine that you like Jenny. Unfortunately she's not as active as the others. Nevertheless, I had the best fuck at last Monday's party with her, whereas lily was the overall best performer. And did a lot of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord103][CodeWord103][/url] games in the shower again. Yummy!

I get there by car and don't know anything else in this town, so meeting up beforehand is difficult, unless you want to meet up in the parking lot before entering the building.[/QUOTE]Don't get me wrong, Lily is also fantastic, particularly in the way she begs for cum and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]. Last time I was there she squeezed 3 loads out of me with her pussy and the fact that she pulls you deep and grinds as you cum and she shouts for 'sperma! ' mid a big turn on. There's just something about Jenny, particularly her pussy, that does it for me. Last visit I fucked her in the bar in the corner while everyone else was in the lounge or box room and she held me close while I powered through two creampie a without pulling out. Disappointing she's not more active but I find she's worth the wait.

Don't need to meet up in the parking lot if it's too much hassle. I'm 6'3 and have a short beard, shouldn't be difficult to spot.

Thinking about doing the theürenn shooting on 24th too but may have to miss it.

My Lord SL.

Thanks for reassuring me and the community about our precious clubs and hobbies. Recently I have come to Germany wondering if those could be my last times, I even stopped booking for next year. Knowing the government was supposed to discuss the matter in October, made me think that my next week could be the last, if not already too late. The fact of getting a response from a german guy, even closely following what goes on, makes me feel better.

[QUOTE=SwingerLover;1625001]You picked the wrong region to look for AO. Because of some stupid local Bavarian rule, AO is not allowed in Bavaria, not even BBBJ. The rule applies to prostitution only of course, so if you find a private woman at a Swingerclub or join a video shooting, then you are in luck. Otherwise it will be covered only.[/QUOTE]OK. That sounds fine. A video shoot or GB would be the ultimate as they are still on the bucket list. Any advice on Munich / Munchen and Ulm as those will be places I stay?

[QUOTE=Mambomike;1627141]They are German and speak German. As an English speaker, I had no problems, but I did learn enough German to ask whether I could cum inside her pussy.

As for your stature issue, don't try out for professional basketball or try fucking a tall girl in heels while standing up.[/QUOTE]LOL- so how do you say it?

[QUOTE=JustFun041;1635285]OK. That sounds fine. A video shoot or GB would be the ultimate as they are still on the bucket list. Any advice on Munich / Munchen and Ulm as those will be places I stay?[/QUOTE]Gangbangs are also covered-only in Bavaria, as long as they're commercial and therefore considered "prostitution".

But since you are staying in Ulm as well, (which is NOT Bavaria anymore, but Baden-Württemberg) your options are better. The new Spermagames location in Söhnstetten (near Heidenheim) is only 40 km away from Ulm. [URL]www.spermagames.com[/URL].

The other Spermagames locations are not that far away either, especially the new one in Stuttgart. For other options in BaWü (and even in Bavaria) have a look at my September-AO-map (as well as previous maps linked in the Bareback AO Calendar thread): [URL]http://goo.gl/maps/uMuNq[/URL].

So for 22nd to 26th of October, there are 2 Spermagames events close to you, the one in Stuttgart tomorrow and the one in Söhnstetten on Thursday. Or you could do SG Stuttgart tomorrow and then Melanie Monn's COVERED Spermabang in Nuremberg on THU 23rd: [URL]http://melaniemoon.net/Seite1001/Events_amp;_Termine[/URL]
No info on FRI to SUN, since I stopped doing the maps, I'm not that well informed about AO-partys this far south anymore. But this couple in Fürth is usually looking for guys for small AO-Gangbangs at their home: [URL]www.eronity.com/profil.php?n=Paar1107[/URL]

I don't get business in Germany for work often, but I am in mid-November.

I'm very comfy with myself physically, my wife and I (she's way better lookin' than me.) do swing, and love it.

But, I'm 6'1, and 285 large US pounds. It's less than has been, but. I wear it well I'm told.

Any issues here? I have few if any issues with individual ladies here in the US, or in a club where we're with more friends that we know than not. This would be a first venture. On my own, to a different place. I do not EXPECT any cultural issues, or with the ladies. But. I wanted to ask.

Thanks for your replies.

-J.

[QUOTE=Escort4Us;1637085]I don't get business in Germany for work often, but I am in mid-November.

I'm very comfy with myself physically, my wife and I (she's way better lookin' than me.) do swing, and love it.

But, I'm 6'1, and 285 large US pounds. It's less than has been, but. I wear it well I'm told.

Any issues here? I have few if any issues with individual ladies here in the US, or in a club where we're with more friends that we know than not. This would be a first venture. On my own, to a different place. I do not EXPECT any cultural issues, or with the ladies. But. I wanted to ask.

Thanks for your replies.

J[/QUOTE]Don't worry dude, most of the men are also overweight. What might surprise you is some of these women in the AO places are also over weight or worse!

[QUOTE=Escort4Us;1637085]
I do not EXPECT any cultural issues, or with the ladies. But. I wanted to ask.[/QUOTE]Language barrier. Most AO women don't speak much or any English.

[QUOTE=Wanking;1637413]Language barrier. Most AO women don't speak much or any English.[/QUOTE]I can work with flash cards. .

So do some ads hint at AO without being explicit. For example, on a brothel site where each girl has a page most give a long list of activities. One, however, simply says "Service von A-Z. " or service from A to Z. Am I over interpreting the use of A-Z to perhaps imply AO?

[URL]http://www.6relax.de/club_girls_detail/name/haus_30/girl/lara/region/grossraum-bonn[/URL]

Another says "Umfangreicher Service auf Anfrage" which I think means something like "comprehensive service on request. ".

[URL]http://www.6relax.de/club_girls_detail/name/haus_30/girl/denissa/region/grossraum-bonn[/URL]

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;1641354]Am I over interpreting the use of A-Z to perhaps imply AO?
Another says "Umfangreicher Service auf Anfrage" which I think means something like "comprehensive service on request. ".[/QUOTE]Hard to tell. Depends on the woman. There is nothing more misused in ads than the term "tabulos", so who knows what "A-Z" includes (or doesn't include)? Back then at Eva-Freundin in MG, they had advertised "intercourse with protection only" for every single woman on their homepage, and everybody except Trixi was still doing AO. So you can't go by what's written in the ads. Better call and ask! That's not to say that there will be any guarantees there.

Just another question in a similar regard: Does anybody know if Salma de Nora's latest gangbangs were AO? [URL]http://www.salmadenora.de/meine-geilen-parties/705/[/URL].

I'm a bit puzzled by the 115 € price for the parties outside Bavaria, whereas the one in Nuremberg costs only 100 €. Looks like 15 € extra for a test to me, but there's nothing mentioned about AO or a test.

Oh, and I would translate "Umfangreicher Service auf Anfrage" as "extensive service on inquiry / price on application".

OK, and thanks for the feedback. Sometimes there are standard euphemisms or idiomatic expressions, and I thought A-Z might be one of those. But apparently it isn't.

[QUOTE=SwingerLover;1641559]Hard to tell. Depends on the woman. There is nothing more misused in ads than the term "tabulos", so who knows what "A-Z" includes (or doesn't include)? Back then at Eva-Freundin in MG, they had advertised "intercourse with protection only" for every single woman on their homepage, and everybody except Trixi was still doing AO. So you can't go by what's written in the ads. Better call and ask! That's not to say that there will be any guarantees there.

Just another question in a similar regard: Does anybody know if Salma de Nora's latest gangbangs were AO? [URL]http://www.salmadenora.de/meine-geilen-parties/705/[/URL].

I'm a bit puzzled by the 115 price for the parties outside Bavaria, whereas the one in Nuremberg costs only 100 . Looks like 15 extra for a test to me, but there's nothing mentioned about AO or a test.

Oh, and I would translate "Umfangreicher Service auf Anfrage" as "extensive service on inquiry / price on application".[/QUOTE]I was not at these events but I agree with your interpretation. Same girls. Same 1 PM-7 PM time frame. Everything is the same except that it is 15 cheaper in Bavaria. Could be that they didn't want to advertise AO? Or maybe they know that the right guys will figure it out?

[QUOTE=RedWolf;1641723] Could be that they didn't want to advertise AO? Or maybe they know that the right guys will figure it out?[/QUOTE]Could be. That was the reason for my question. In addition: If you split the "115" into 1 and 15 and look for the 1st and 15th letter of the alphabet, it gets you "AO". And I don't recall anybody else ever asking for 115 for a gangbang.

[QUOTE=SwingerLover;1641924] If you split the "115" into 1 and 15 and look for the 1st and 15th letter of the alphabet, it gets you "AO".[/QUOTE]Fantastic, extraordinary, immense. I can't find the words, I'm speechless. Chapeau!

[URL]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2826320/Prostitutes-sordid-claims-group-sex-sessions-board-AC-DC-drummer-Phil-Rudd-s-boat-hates-people-playing-pet-dog.html?ito=social-facebook[/URL]

[QUOTE=EastGoing;1641991]Fantastic, extraordinary, immense. I can't find the words, I'm speechless. Chapeau![/QUOTE]SW used to be called Sherlock Holmes in his previous life. Hat off indeed!

[QUOTE=Wanking;1642386][URL]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2826320/Prostitutes-sordid-claims-group-sex-sessions-board-AC-DC-drummer-Phil-Rudd-s-boat-hates-people-playing-pet-dog.html?ito=social-facebook[/URL][/QUOTE]Wanking, side question, do you know why when I try to post a URL it gets auto-censored? You are obviously able to do it. Thanks!

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;1642861]Wanking, side question, do you know why when I try to post a URL it gets auto-censored? You are obviously able to do it. Thanks![/QUOTE]The forum's new spelling mis-correcting system sucks even more than the old one did! Whenever there's an umlaut or a "%" or a "#" or any other special symbol used in an URL, then the forum cuts the URL off right at this point. That's also the reason why the German threads containing umlauts (ä, ö, ü; as in Düsseldorf, Mönchengladbach, Osnabrück) don't work properly if you just click on them.

For posting URLs correctly, you'll either have to edit your report after upload or put the "URL" and "/ URL" into the square brackets and at the beginning and the end of the actual URL before you upload it.

And as if that isn't enough, the forum also turns "Düsseldorf" into "thesseldorf" everytime, because the "D" is cut of from "sseldorf" because of the elimination of the "ü", and the forum automatically turns a "D" into "the", just like it turns "ID" into "I'd". Same with "Club Immergrün", which appears as "Club Immergrand", because the "ü" gets eliminated and the "n" turned into "and".

And on top of that: If anybody quotes this report, all those errors I corrected here manually will re-appear again in the quote, and the "€"-sign gets deleted as well.
I had reported that to Admin already, but there was no reaction of any kind at all.

[QUOTE=Dreams;1642472]SW used to be called Sherlock Holmes in his previous life. Hat off indeed![/QUOTE]Not so fast, guys! First I need confirmation that those parties actually were AO parties! By the way: There are no parties at Reichenbach falls!

It looks like in my case my use of a url redirection service, one that tries to provide TINY sized URLs, is being suppressed.

Well I didn't see any condom being used LOL.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9-8PJs6ypI[/URL]

Villa Venus, has no girl photos? Or am I missing something on the www site when I click girls, and I see no girls. .

[QUOTE=Escort4Us;1646807]Villa Venus, has no girl photos? Or am I missing something on the www site when I click girls, and I see no girls. .[/QUOTE]Venus, Dietz, Arabella & the rest of the RTC clubs have photos of the girls on the counter inside the club.

[QUOTE=VitoCorleone;1646818]Venus, Dietz, Arabella & the rest of the RTC clubs have photos of the girls on the counter inside the club.[/QUOTE]Ahh. Doesn't do me much good from Munich.

I'll stop by tomorrow evening however. The pricing looks attractive. Oh ya.

Some of the RTC girls have moved from Arabella, Verena, Grimberg, etc to F39 now (Bochum).

Researchers are investigating the use of probiotics to get rid of smelly pussies:

[URL]http://www.inc.com/jeff-bercovici/sweet-peach-probiotics-lady-parts.html[/URL]

Not an achievement our Dr. Wanking might be too keen on, I guess.

[QUOTE=Varenne;1647729]
Not an achievement our Dr. Wanking might be too keen on, I guess.[/QUOTE]Noooooooooooo.

[QUOTE=Maxime;1646964]Some of the RTC girls have moved from Arabella, Verena, Grimberg, etc to F39 now (Bochum).[/QUOTE]Sorry, what does RTC stand for? (AO I get.).

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;1649404]Sorry, what does RTC stand for? (AO I get.).[/QUOTE]Roter Teppich Club (Red carpet club), the name describes the interior decoration. Most of the AO clubs in the Ruhr district were formerly RCT clubs, and still retain the original interior style.

[QUOTE=Varenne;1649417]Roter Teppich Club (Red carpet club), the name describes the interior decoration. Most of the AO clubs in the Ruhr district were formerly RCT clubs, and still retain the original interior style.[/QUOTE]Ah ok, thanks. But the implication is that RCT clubs are clubs that offer AO?

Happy 2015 everyone! Well here we are and the new German law banning AO should be in effect. Still seeing lots of adds for AO parties so it will be interesting to see how this pans out. I would have thought it would have been a hard cut over to the new law. It is a shame that this law passed.

Happy new year!

First and foremost special thanks to SwingerLover for all the information he's sharing with us and all the detailed reports he's sending regularly here. Without him, I would never have been able to have the experiences I had on the AO gangbang scene (experiences shared here, one report still pending).

Then, DFWdude, I did not know that they passed such a law. Spermagames are stille planning their regular parties. GB01 reformed their way of testing (which means that most of us won't be able to take part anymore), but they still hold AO parties. So, I do not fully understand.

Well, happy new year again, and thanks to everyone writing detailed reports, sharing infos and posting pics on this thread.

[QUOTE=DFWdude;1663627]Happy 2015 everyone! Well here we are and the new German law banning AO should be in effect. Still seeing lots of adds for AO parties so it will be interesting to see how this pans out. I would have thought it would have been a hard cut over to the new law. It is a shame that this law passed.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DFWdude;1663627]Happy 2015 everyone! Well here we are and the new German law banning AO should be in effect. Still seeing lots of adds for AO parties so it will be interesting to see how this pans out. I would have thought it would have been a hard cut over to the new law. It is a shame that this law passed.[/QUOTE]How often and in how many threads do I have to post this over and over again?

There is no AO ban in Germany, and there never will be!

Banning AO is not and never was an issue; the only thing that was mentioned is the idea of a possible ban on ADVERTISING for AO, along with the stupid idea of banning flatrate prostitution.

Non of this was ever scheduled to be in effect from the beginning of THIS year! In fact, NO law (or rather by-law) is even ratified yet, much less in effect. The projected date is and always was JAN 1st 2016! Here's the link to the "basic points paper" regarding the prostitution protection by-law: [URL]https://researchprojectgermany.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/eckpunkte-prostituiertenschutzgesetz.pdf[/URL].

And if it should indeed happen, then checking it, monitoring it and exercising control over proper compliance to this by-law will propably be like watching over the AO ban in the Saarland, which is a complete laugh. (About which I also already wrote before in another report.).

So I just got my results back from my first full STD screen in 18 months. All clear. I go for a full screen every year or so just to be sure.

How many hoors have I had sex with in the last 18 months? 60 to 70, maybe 20 to 25 of them bareback.

In my lifetime maybe 1500 women, and about 200 bareback.

So bareback is safe :D

[QUOTE=Wanking;1669488]In my lifetime maybe 1500 women, and about 200 bareback.

So bareback is safe :D[/QUOTE]Much safer than other "dangers" about which no one gives a shit!

I got to bareback my 268th bareback woman yesterday at Spermabang: Teresa Lynn.

Scroll down to the bottom of this list: [URL]http://spermabang.com/girls.html[/URL].

268? 1500 in a lifetime, about 200 BB? 60 to 70, 20-25 BB in 18 months? I thought that 2 professional barebackers like you would make those numbers in 1 year or little more.

Since a few years I write down every action, I haven't made the sums of last year yet, but I'd say very close to 90 BB, starting from March, for many more sessions, since obviously there have been repetitions.

And, I couldn't believe it, I came out with clean tests last week just before flying back to Germany. I will not discuss this anymore, otherwise, if I didn't do it in the future, it could be supposed that I caught something, be that true or not.

Actually, I was so scared to know the results, that I don't think I'm going to make anymore any test, unless blatantly forced to by some evidence. I mean that until I feel fine, I probably will not want to know if something is wrong.

Anyway, I wouldn't encourage people to do BB, nor I would advertise it.

268? 1500 in a lifetime, about 200 BB? 20-25 in 18 months? I thought that 2 professional barebackers like you would make those numbers in 1 year or little more.

Since a few years I write down every action, I haven't made the sums of last year yet, but I'd say very close to 90 BB, starting from March, for many more sessions, since obviously there have been repetitions.

And, I couldn't believe it, I came out with clean tests last week just before flying back to Germany. I will not discuss this anymore, otherwise, if I didn't do it in the future, it could be supposed that I caught something, be that true or not.

Actually, I was so scared to read the results, that I don't think I'm going to make anymore any test, unless blatantly forced to by some evidence.

Anyway, I wouldn't encourage people to do BB, nor I would advertize it.

Ouch! In a year? Don't forget that there are many repetitions. And I had my first AO fuck only in 2003, whereas I really started AO-partying after bareback woman #16 (who was Natasha The Gangbang Queen) in August of 2011. So you can divide 253 women by 40.5 months if you are looking for an avarage over this period. Counting the condom-fucks from before, where I didn't keep count, I should get to a total of somewhere between 400 and 450. So less than a 3rd of what Wanking had in total. I wore my last condom on DEC 15th 2012, with Trixi at the Eva-Freundin party in Mönchengladbach. (Reported about that in the Eva-Freundin thread.)

Lucky guys!

I maybe fucked around 20 women bareback (in Germany) and I got one Chlamydia and then mycoplasma. So, statistically it is so so. But these STD are pretty easy to cure. The problem when you got these STD is that you have no symptoms at all. Only STD screening can show if you have something or not.

Cheers guys.

It is not so much surprising that the forums biggest bare back bears have claimed less than a thousand victims between them as to the fact that they can remember right down to the exact number they have hit and who is number 16 or 268th on the list and on which day of the week.

Even the world's most wanton serial killers begin to forget the numbers a little bit once they get past a few dozen victims or so and need to enlist the help of the authorities in recreating the scenes of crime and establishing which ones they must have did.

For serial killers it is not so much the numbers that matter as the resignation in knowing that once they have started down the road they have chosen then they must need do it again and again until they run out of victims, which is unlikely, or get caught. In the case of serial barebackers there is not even that last option because they will plow on regardless failing to register, or even seeming to be naturally Teflon coated against, the many viral and bacterial infections that non-professional barebackers regularly pick up after even just a few drunken episodes of forgetting to wear a condom with the girl they have just met down the local nightclub.

I know that when I used to see photos online of AO hoors I have familiarised myself with and who SwingerWanking and company have also dabbled with that I used to worry myself sick and scrub myself silly in the bath until the skin near came off. But with less than 500 bareback victims between these two serial offenders, and we know now that they keep accounts, then maybe I am worrying myself unnecessarily?

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHiAZGlImMs[/URL]

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1670333]I know that when I used to see photos online of AO hoors I have familiarised myself with and who SwingerWanking and company have also dabbled with that I used to worry myself sick and scrub myself silly in the bath until the skin near came off. But with less than 500 bareback victims between these two serial offenders, and we know now that they keep accounts, then maybe I am worrying myself unnecessarily?
[/QUOTE]Hahahaa Ah that's hilarious LOL!! I'm glad I have contributed to the Myrrh worries ROFL!

Thanks, Myrrh, that was indeed a very amusing report; liked it a lot. Just FYI: AmelieO was my #53, in OCT of 2011.

[QUOTE=Guimauve92;1670225]Lucky guys!
I maybe fucked around 20 women bareback (in Germany) and I got one Chlamydia and then mycoplasma. So, statistically it is so so. But these STD are pretty easy to cure. The problem when you got these STD is that you have no symptoms at all. Only STD screening can show if you have something or not.[/QUOTE]Well, as far as I know chlamydia, mycoplasma, HPV and other ones are quite harmless, innocuous, inoffensive to men. They are more likely to give trouble to girls. If I'm not mistaken, there is no test for HPV on men, or it is quite difficult to find if you have it if you don't have visible warts. And I think you can even heal on your own, without antibiotics, from chlamydia. If I'm not mistaken, if you are positive to IgG, it means you had it, or came in touch with it, but then you got rid of it and you are currently ok.

If there is a doctor among us willing to add something, please do it...

[QUOTE=SwingerLover;1669607]Ouch! In a year?[/QUOTE]I expected many more, since you live in Germany and bang continuously. My numbers from March 2014 are easy to reach, if you go to clubs with a certain attendance and take even only 3 girls per day, not always the same ones, you will see it doesn't take that much. There are guys reporting even 8-10 girls in a single day.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1670333]It is not so much surprising that the forums biggest bare back bears have claimed less than a thousand victims between them as to the fact that they can remember right down to the exact number they have hit and who is number 16 or 268th on the list and on which day of the week.[/QUOTE]You are not a number, you are a ghost. You are not a free man, because you are not allowed instant posting :D
Please inform us about the adventures of the third forum's biggest bare back bear!

[QUOTE=EastGoing;1673115]I expected many more, since you live in Germany and bang continuously. [/QUOTE]I repeat a lot and like to stick to what works. I also stayed within a 250 km radius so far, with absolutely NOTHING going on in the westward direction and very little southbound.

That's the advantage of travellers from abroad: If you fly in, it doesn't matter much whether you fly to Hamburg, Berlin, theüsseldorf, Frankfurt or Stuttgart. Naturally you get different women in different parts of the country.

Instead I get some of the same women quite often in the same area, which is fine by me as long as I like them. For instance the private women I found so far on: [URL]www.eronity.com/?rid=00364521[/URL].

Just like her: [URL]http://www.eronity.com/gallery.php?id=1699724[/URL].

[URL]http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/prostitution-koalition-einigt-sich-auf-kondom-zwang-in-bordellen-a-1016671.html[/URL]

It means that YOU (the punters) are not allowed to fuck without a condom anymore and if you do so it will be YOU (not the prostitute) who gets prosecuted.

[QUOTE=KevinLipps;1678242][URL]http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/prostitution-koalition-einigt-sich-auf-kondom-zwang-in-bordellen-a-1016671.html[/URL]

It means that YOU (the punters) are not allowed to fuck without a condom anymore and if you do so it will be YOU (not the prostitute) who gets prosecuted.[/QUOTE]Well I hope the inspector from the government, who is in the room when I am fucking the hoor is a least female. When she is sitting there checking whether or not I'm wearing a Johnny, I can offer to lick her cunny (with a dental dam)! If the inspector is a man I'll invite him to fuck the girl too with a condom of course.

[QUOTE=KevinLipps;1678242]It means that YOU (the punters) are not allowed to fuck without a condom anymore and if you do so it will be YOU (not the prostitute) who gets prosecuted.[/QUOTE]That's complete and utter BULLSHIT!

What's next? Prosecuting drug users while letting the dealers go scot free? Legally impossible! And also not possible to control and enforce. Just look at the "condom duty" in the Saarland and how it's NOT enforced!

It is maybe difficult to enforce, but all news sources are clear:

[URL]http://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschland/2015-02/prostitutionsgesetz-koalition-durchbruch[/URL]

[URL]http://www.bild.de/politik/inland/prostitutionsgesetz/kondompflicht-fuer-freier-kommt-39630342.bild.html[/URL]

Etc.

The German Coalition made the decision: it will be illegal to do AO (sex without condom) in Germany.

It is not clear if BBBJ is still allowed, but let's hope so.

Same with flat-rate sex, as I read it correctly.

Don't know the time line, but even when tests are used, it might be not legal anymore.

This means of course not that it will not happen, but it will not be publicly advertised, and raise prices.

Some clubs already anticipated with this (eg Freude39 does NOT show AO anymore on the sedcards of the girls, and look at the changing texts in some party descriptions.).

Let's hope a new coaltion will change it back in a few years.

(BTW, they did not raise minimum age from 18 to 21, so that stays the same).

I don't understand how this can possibly be enforced. What it can do, I suppose, is prevent clubs from advertising AO. But the only way to prosecute men for having AO sex is to somehow make the girls turn in customers they have AO sex with. It makes no sense.

So the result will probably create a bit more uncertainty thus driving up the price of AO, and guys will have to ask around a bit more to find out who will and won't go that way. Some new euphemisms will probably be invented for ads that mean AO without saying AO.

But unless girls can be prosecuted for offering AO, enforcement seems nearly impossible.

[QUOTE=SwingerLover;1678333]That's complete and utter BULLSHIT!

What's next? Prosecuting drug users while letting the dealers go scot free? Legally impossible! And also not possible to control and enforce. Just look at the "condom duty" in the Saarland and how it's NOT enforced![/QUOTE]Impossible? Look at Sweden.

HB.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1678414]Impossible? Look at Sweden.

HB.[/QUOTE]If the bareback and flatrate do finish in hoormany, I will still make trips there and just go to the cheapest brothels, swingerclubs and RLDs over there with occasional visits to FKKs. The sexlife of Wanking will continue.

I do like the ole bareback though, nothing like feeling of sliding your bare Frank up the bare Cunny, and occasionally blowing a big load inside. Yummy.

Hello.

Any information on when the new law starts. What has taken place in the clubs Venus, F39 Etc.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Strikesfun;1678695]Hello.

Any information on when the new law starts. What has taken place in the clubs Venus, F39 Etc.Thanks.[/QUOTE]

Next week there should be some more details. So far it seems that it will start from June-July. F39 swept away some 3 weeks ago the distinction between AO and not AO girls from their pics by the counter, but on Bild's ads something like "tabulous" was still specified not later than 1-2 days ago. Since yesterday, I speak for Arabella and F39, you pay entrance and one room, nomore bullshit choices 1-2-3 rooms when you arrive. The money of the room goes into a trasparent box, the first girl you session with will get 30 euros from that box. The following sessions are paid directly to the girls. If you have a banknote of 100, she will have to give you the change, TF will have nothing to do with the 2 of you apart from witnessing and writing somewhere (I'd say) the name of the girl and your locker number, to keep track of movements. BTW, to avoid awful researches among folks for change and / or "requests" of tips, I'd suggest to go with a few banknotes of 10 and 20, depending on how many girls you want to score.

Entrance prices have been increased: Arabella had given "free entry" since reopening, (it was something like 1x50, 2x80 , 3x99,99) now it is 30;
F39 is now 39,99 (Happy hour 19,99). I would like all customers to go and pay the exact amount with the coins :D

Smile All need help from the hell we pay when government protects us. Hold on to your pockets.

[QUOTE=Strikesfun;1678695]Any information on when the new law starts.[/QUOTE]Once again: [URL]http://berufsverband-sexarbeit.de/blog/wp-content/uploads/BMFSFJ_Eckpunkte_Prostituiertenschutzgesetz.pdf[/URL].

For the I-don't-know-how-many_th time: As you can read at the bottom of the page, the scheduled date is JAN 1st 2016.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;1678387] Some new euphemisms will probably be invented for ads that mean AO without saying AO.

But unless girls can be prosecuted for offering AO, enforcement seems nearly impossible.[/QUOTE]I agree. Look at the Saarland and how the condom-duty is NOT enforced. As for euphemisms: Prohibiting AO-advertising was in discussion all along, and circumventing it with euphemisms is supposed to be forbidden too. Provided it's recognized as a euphemism.

[QUOTE=Maxime;1678354] it will be illegal to do AO (sex without condom) in Germany. [/QUOTE]That's not true. First of all, it's supposed to be a condom-duty, not an AO-prohibition. There's a difference. And second, it will only apply to prostitution and nothing else. Therefore it will not be "illegal to do AO" per se. Please stop creating panic! And I'm sure there's NOTHING that will keep Natascha The Gangbang Queen or AmelieO (to mention just two women) from continuing to do AO gangbangs!

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1678414]Impossible? Look at Sweden.[/QUOTE]This is NOT about Sweden! It's Germany, and it's impossible to prosecute the user while letting the distributor go free! Regardless of the subject matter.

How it will all pan out can at this stage be unclear, but the practicalities are difficult enough for the German Police Union chairman, Rainer Wendt, to say no reasonable person can expect the Police to be checking who is wearing a condom and who is not. He called for the politicians to do the checks themselves!!

Wow! A comment from an official that is NOT bullshit! It seems that at least within the police are people who are still in their right mind!

Will the new law ban ALSO the BBJ? I didn't find nothing about that on internet news, just some rumors on prostitution forums (not in English).

Paushalclubs will also be banned like partytreffs?

[QUOTE=EuropeanMan;1679516]Will the new law ban ALSO the BBJ? I didn't find nothing about that on internet news, just some rumors on prostitution forums (not in English).

Paushalclubs will also be banned like partytreffs?[/QUOTE]I believe the law on wearing condoms will apply to all paid sex options where prostitutes are present. The BBBJ situation remains unclear at the moment.

Its a great time of confusion at the moment that will no doubt sort itself out in the coming months.

[QUOTE=Optimist;1679454] no reasonable person can expect the Police to be checking who is wearing a condom and who is not. [/QUOTE]There's AO at every club but no one talks about it so their regular girl offering them AO doesn't get fired. All the known AO clubs would need to do is say they are no longer AO clubs, but not change the service level. The only true difference will be AO sex will have to move behind closed doors.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1677676]have the proposed laws changed overnight.
There must have been something that made GB01 panic and start implementing these new tests and requiring guests to pre-test before the event. What did they fear? What did they see on the horizon? Was it that they thought if they showed they were acting pro-actively now then the authorities might turn a blind eye to them when the tide starts to turn (as it has in Sweden and France)? Cattle do not stampede unless they hear the rustling of a predator in the bushes.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=SwingerLover;1676249] What proposed laws are you talking about? If you're talking about the "ProstSchG", (with the projected flatrate ban) then that has nothing at all to do with AO gangbangs and testing: [URL]https://researchprojectgermany.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/eckpunkte-prostituiertenschutzgesetz.pdf[/URL].[/QUOTE][QUOTE=SwingerLover;1679280] [URL]http://berufsverband-sexarbeit.de/blog/wp-content/uploads/BMFSFJ_Eckpunkte_Prostituiertenschutzgesetz.pdf[/URL].
As you can read at the bottom of the page, the scheduled date is JAN 1st 2016.[/QUOTE]Yes, I understand. Nobody wants things to change and the most passionate disciples of bareback banging will just love us to pretend as though nothing has happened and things will just carry on exactly the same way as before.

Unfortunately the 'golden' period of the last 5 years or so, when you could just simply walk in off the street into any number of German sex clubs pay a one off fee of 100 euros or less and then dump your untested (or even untreated) load into the already over flowing pussies or assholes of any number of different East European young girls who happen to be there, is near an end.

At least we have been given several months grace so you can if you wish sign off with a year long bareback blitzkrieg.

[QUOTE=Wanking;1679592]I believe the law on wearing condoms will apply to all paid sex options where prostitutes are present.[/QUOTE]If it should be put in effect in the same way the by-laws in Bavaria and the Saarland are verbalized, then it will definitely apply to BBBJs as well. Because BBBJs are "prostitution" too if you pay for them.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1679679]All the known AO clubs would need to do is say they are no longer AO clubs, but not change the service level. The only true difference will be AO sex will have to move behind closed doors.[/QUOTE]That's one option. Another option is to circumvent the rule, (should it indeed be put in effect) since there are many possible ways to do so. And let's not forget that existing AO clubs and flatrate places have a status quo for which they can claim "custom and practice"! So everything could go on as before for them, if they defend their status quo against any overzealous bureauKrauts. But if they do like MC-Sex in Hamm does, who already implemented a condom duty at their place from next month without any need, (because no law as actually been passed yet and much less put in effect) then there's of course no hope whatsoever. Why people already obey a law that doesn't even exist yet is beyond my understanding. Especially since nobody knows the correct letter of the prospected by-law yet. And the press has already proven to be unreliable in this regard half a year ago.

Everything is still unclear, so I suggest you all stop acting as if the 10 commandments had just been carved into stone!

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1679696]Yes, I understand. Nobody wants things to change and the most passionate disciples of bareback banging will just love us to pretend as though nothing has happened and things will just carry on exactly the same way as before.[/QUOTE]So far nothing has actually happened, since no law has been passed yet. The only thing that has happened so far is that MC-Sex have announced to put themselves out of the game voluntarely. And that I personally would love to see "coast barbie" be put to death! (One can still dream!

Watching a doc tonight about Romanians coming to London. When you see the absolute grinding poverty some of them live in, its easy to see why they are prepared to fuck bareback for a few euros in Hoormany.

No Hoors or sex in this doc btw..
[URL]http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-romanians-are-coming/on-demand/57094-001[/URL]

[QUOTE=Wanking;1684291]Watching a doc tonight about Romanians coming to London. When you see the absolute grinding poverty some of them live in, its easy to see why they are prepared to fuck bareback for a few euros in Hoormany.

No Hoors or sex in this doc btw..
[URL]http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-romanians-are-coming/on-demand/57094-001[/URL][/QUOTE]I've wondered about the commercial sex market's dependence on Romania for a while now. What if it started raining money in Romania and that one country's economy ramped up to the European average or more? Would supply dwindle and prices skyrocket? Or would women from other countries reenter the market with only a modest increase in prices? Or. ?

[QUOTE=Wanking;1684291] When you see the absolute grinding poverty some of them live in, its easy to see why they are prepared to fuck bareback for a few euros in Hoormany.[/QUOTE]Same with the Bulgarians, especially those from the remote hinterlands. If they are put into the shabby apartments like those in Krefeld, most of them propably think they died and gone to heaven: There's central heating for which you'll only have to turn a knob, there's running water inside the apartment (hot AND cold) and there's a toilet inside there too, so you don't have to run 30 meters across the outdoors yard to the privy during the wintertime.

Working at places like Fun Park Viersen, practically as "coined money hoors" if you count the money they'll propably get from each guy, some of them are still able to build HOUSES back home from what they earn here! And that's no joke, one of them was actually bragging about that a few months back.

So where's the harm for them? And what do they need "protection" from (regarding a "flatrate ban" or other feminist bullshit)?

Plus one part regarding the planned "ProstSchG" that hasn't been adressed yet at all: There is a passage in the corner stones paper where it read about "approval of the sites of prostitution", meaning that some city official would have to check the locations and see if they are suitable for that kind of business. Well, if that happens, then they can kiss prostitution in Krefeld goodbye, since most of the locations will fail thouroughly. And the poor women will not know what hit them, pretty much like back then when the pussyclub chain got closed down. (Although for other reasons.).

So the only thing those women really need protection from is "Küstenbarbie" & the feminists and that supposedly coming new "prostitutes protection law".

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1679696]Yes, I understand. Nobody wants things to change

At least we have been given several months grace so you can if you wish sign off with a year long bareback blitzkrieg.[/QUOTE]I have read all the info I can find on the new laws -- but all documents were translations, I can't read German. Here is what I found, please correct me if I'm wrong:

- no ads for "unsafe sexual practices" allowed (perhaps includes BBBJ?

- fines for clients if they do AO, but no fines for the girls.

- brothel has to make condoms available; but I did not catch whether there are fines for the brothel if AO takes place.

- proposal ridiculed by observers as unenforceable.

So my conclusion is that AO may be harder to find in the future, but I doubt it will stop altogether.

Apparently laws do have some impact as there does not seem to be any BBBJ going on in the FKKs and brothels in Bavaria where the law forbids this type of thing.

On the other hand, where there is demand there is usually supply, and the unenforceable nature of the rules will probably mean that there will be limited impact.

Incidentally, the government in Canada just passed sweeping new puritanical laws that were widely seen as nonsense. Impact so far (3 months) has been zero.

Title pretty much says it. I'm sure I'm not the only one not sure where to go instead. For me Arabella and Laluna (technically not a RTC) were only an OK experience. But I've only been to each once. I'm thinking that maybe Villa-Venus is next. Or maybe Grimberg or Romantica?

[QUOTE=Varenne;1690016]Good line-up today in F39, reinforced by the girls from Villa Verena (closed, allegedly for maineinance). By the time I left, signs had appeared on the windows of the biosauna, prohibiting AO:

"Es gilt in diesem Haus Kondomplicht beim GV".

Should anything still be going on, I would advice to keep it confidential.[/QUOTE]There's a sign in my local park saying please don't walk on the grass but this doesn't stop the little old ladies from taking their dogs there daily for a poo.

Smoking has also been fully forbidden in all restaurants, pubs, cafes and clubs in North Rhine-Westphalia since May 2013. Anyone forgot to tell the RTC girls about this too?

Here is a link to info re a planned protest day in June.

[URL]http://www.bw7.com/forum/showthread.php/80122-Es-ist-5-vor-12-%96-wir-wehren-uns!?p=620087[/URL]

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;1694029]Title pretty much says it. I'm sure I'm not the only one not sure where to go instead. For me Arabella and Laluna (technically not a RTC) were only an OK experience. But I've only been to each once. I'm thinking that maybe Villa-Venus is next. Or maybe Grimberg or Romantica?[/QUOTE]Contributing to an answer to my own question. Today I went to both Grinberg and Romantica. Depending on how you look at it they are and aren't F39 substitutes. Check out my review for details.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3419-FKK-Arabella-Villa-Venus-Sauna-Grimberg-NRW-AO-Clubs&p=1694480&viewfull=1[/URL]#post1694480.

Maybe I am late in noticing, but I see that Spermagames is running events in Belgium as well, so that could be a future option.

Yes, Spermagames had one party in Belgium in the past, they now advertise another one at a different location for April 15th: [URL]http://www.spermagames.com/gb-belgien-ao/[/URL]#c2758.

If anybody is calling by La Luna maybe PM me: I have a request to make. Very simple but it would earn my undying gratitude ;)

My next visit to NRW will be in mid-April (just after Easter).

Sorry, should have asked anyone going to LL to PM me for details.

[URL]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3034724/Australian-scientists-designing-condom-feels-better-nothing.html?ito=social-facebook[/URL]

Thanks to SW for posting all the events as always.

There really are a lack of all day bareback events now with the demise of the Krefeld apartment parties with young women and Funpark gone to shit.

There are plenty of short gangbangs 2 to 3 hours, but they wouldn't entice me for a trip, too much waiting around.

I like an all day event where I can fuck and relax, preferably with some food provided aswell. Also I like a mixture of gangbang and one on one sessions. There really arent those type of parties these days in NRW.

Having an amazing time in Thailand and finding AO available with most of the girls I'm seeing. Some I just jump right into bareback, do the usual going down on them, then getting them into doggy and going down on them that way and then just jumping right into the action. The condoms are sitting a foot away and 90% don't ask for the condom once the action gets going, they like the natural feel of a warm cock. And once you repeat with the girl, they'll never ask for a condom. Only rule is to make the room seem unused by other girls, make the girls feel like they are the only one your seeing.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1722990]90% don't ask for the condom once the action gets going, they like the natural feel of a warm cock. And once you repeat with the girl, they'll never ask for a condom. Only rule is to make the room seem unused by other girls, make the girls feel like they are the only one your seeing.[/QUOTE]Hey Bread,

Good effort man. Its just the same as last time I was there in 2011. AO is surely very easy to get over there, along with great GFE sessions.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1722990]Having an amazing time in Thailand and finding AO available with most of the girls I'm seeing. Some I just jump right into bareback, do the usual going down on them, then getting them into doggy and going down on them that way and then just jumping right into the action. The condoms are sitting a foot away and 90% don't ask for the condom once the action gets going, they like the natural feel of a warm cock. And once you repeat with the girl, they'll never ask for a condom. Only rule is to make the room seem unused by other girls, make the girls feel like they are the only one your seeing.[/QUOTE]I'm not a AO's Fan, too scared of STD. But I can confirm many girls in Thailand are available for AO. When I have a special feelings with some girls and I take them multiple times AO is always available if I would like.

[QUOTE=Wanking;1723006]Hey Bread,

Good effort man. Its just the same as last time I was there in 2011. AO is surely very easy to get over there, along with great GFE sessions.[/QUOTE]Barfined a very cute young gogo girl at a bar that's pretty new and has few customers, so I'm sure she's not seen much action. Went down on her very hairy pussy and munched some fresh thai pussy. Then turned her over into the doggy position to munch some more, she was unsure of what I was doing but got into it when I started to tongue fuck her from behind. I then stood up and quickly slid little breadman home, after 3 minutes or so of getting into it she realized there was no condom. I put one on but it was quickly off again after a few positions. She was all smiles afterwards, even posed for several photos. She even asked me to come back to gogo and sent me a few messages on Line. In off season when girls are averaging few if any barfines, she's happy to provide ao to make some extra cash. My rule of thumb though is to bareback girls who aren't the hottest, who don't work in places where bareback is freely given. And to have antibiotics on hand in case something crops up. So far so good.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1723248] In off season when girls are averaging few if any barfines, she's happy to provide ao to make some extra cash. My rule of thumb though is to bareback girls who aren't the hottest, who don't work in places where bareback is freely given. And to have antibiotics on hand in case something crops up. So far so good.[/QUOTE]I know that AO is proposed to be banned in Germany from the start of next year but even so I am mystified as to why this German AO lounge and chat area thread has now been turned into a Thailand one.

There is a lot of myth about how easy it is to get AO in Thailand. Maybe over 10 years ago when Thai female sex workers (FSW's) thought it was natural for foreign customers to bareback because Thai guys never used condoms in the village brothels where they first started working. But then the Thai government realized that Thailand was turning into another HIV hot spot to rival places like S Africa, San Francisco and Haiti. The Thai government then undertook a massive and sustained HIV awareness and condom provision programme over many years and it worked to some degree. Thailand is still in the HIV top ten but it did not turn into another S Africa where something like 40% of the population is HIV positive.

Now today's Thai FSW's are all clued up on the risks of HIV and other STDs. So much so that the overwhelming majority of go go girls and most freelancers will ask if you have a condom as soon as you get into the room. There are even a high proportion of go go girls and a growing number of freelancers who will refuse to perform even a BJ without a condom.

Of course if a girl is desperate for money, she 'knows' you because you have been with her a few times before, you browbeat her into not using condoms or even try and slip it in from behind without her noticing then of course you can probably get away with it.

But I don't feel comfortable about cajoling / forcing a girl into bareback against her free will and slipping it in unprotected without her explicit consent or knowledge counts as (codeword?) in my view.

That's why I prefer Germany where if you want bareback then you know which girls will definitely provide it. Much better than only choosing ugly girls because they are the ones most likely to bareback or bringing a girl back to the room and hoping she might agree to it once she is there. BTW, antibiotics don't really help with the big H.

So why don't we go back to talking about the place that we should really be talking about?

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1723585]

That's why I prefer Germany where if you want bareback then you know which girls will definitely provide it. Much better than only choosing ugly girls because they are the ones most likely to bareback or bringing a girl back to the room and hoping she might agree to it once she is there. BTW, antibiotics don't really help with the big H.

So why don't we go back to talking about the place that we should really be talking about?[/QUOTE]It is a chat area, is it not? And I'm pretty sure the risks are the same no matter what country you visit if you go the AO route, you can catch the big H in Germany as well as Thailand. And what's this comment about 'ugly girls'? Some of the hottest girls I've done here go bareback. Reason I made a few posts in this section is German wings new low cost flight to Thailand, its possible many AO seakers in Europe will decide to venture down this way.

A girl being forced into providing ao by her pimp in a German ao club or a Thai gitl providing ao to get repeat business? Both might not want to go it but it happens.

Now that AO is now 'officially' off the menu in the RTC clubs like F39, and the services that each girl provides are no longer advertised inside the clubs, I just wanted to clarify what words you needed to say to elicit a Nein or Ja when inquiring about your favorite service.

My German is non-existent but I believe that it is.

Keine Gummi or Ohne Gummi. To inquire about sex without a condom (hoping that you don't hear the reply "mit gummi".

Arsche ficken. For chocolate starfish banging.

Blasen. For blow jobs.

Schluken. For swallowing or is this something else?

But what about the following?

- Cum in pussy.

- Cum in mouth.

- Cum on face.

- Arse licking (her doing the hard work not you).

- Deep throat.

Anything else?

Apologies if there is some list posted somewhere which covers all this. However we just wouldn't want any misunderstandings with the girls where we end up doing CIP without her permission would we?

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1724078]

But what about the following?

- Cum in pussy. = Muschi spritzen

- Cum in mouth. = Aufnahme or Im mund spritzen

- Cum on face. = Ins gesicht spritzen

- Arse licking (her doing the hard work not you). = Arsch lecken bei mir or Zungen-anal (aktiv)

- Deep throat. = Deep throat or Tief im Hals nehmen

[/QUOTE]Hi see above.

My weakness are hot girls with pointy tits that stand out, barfined one yesterday and the action starts and she sticks my Dick halfway into her pussy ao, a few grinder, then pulls out and says 'condom'. It was ao for a good 3 minutes, think the issue was more of a concern of getting pregnant.

Is ao safer in Germany or Thailand? Who knows, all I know is the pussy I see in Thailand is less fucked than in the clubs.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1724221]My weakness are hot girls with pointy tits that stand out, barfined one yesterday and the action starts and she sticks my Dick halfway into her pussy ao, a few grinder, then pulls out and says 'condom'. It was ao for a good 3 minutes, think the issue was more of a concern of getting pregnant.

Is ao safer in Germany or Thailand? Who knows, all I know is the pussy I see in Thailand is less fucked than in the clubs.[/QUOTE]The concern is not of Thai girls but of Thai men.

Average Thai man:

Doesn't like BBJ.

Sex means only fuck in pussy and creampie happy end.

Change girls as much as possible.

Normally using to fuck in Thai brothel (sort of hell for girls, more baby that girl) which are for Thai only.

Thai man is a sort of king for ladies and this means they continue to do the same type of "sex" with their official lady.

Consequently, as for money reason, send their lady to us, the so called "falang" (foreigner) to earn.

So, fuck uncover is never safe but if you consider what could Thai lady get from such gentlemen, I would not suggest AO.

Same thought about Romanian girl but, as they are a bit (just a bit) over Thai QI, les (a bit less) risk.

Hi all,

A simple question on video shooting at Spermagames events.

I already took part in two gb01 events (filmed) and know how they proceed: no formal authorization signed, no faces shown, etc.

I took part to one spermagames event but that event did not have a first part filmed: so I was wondering what was the process. Authorization? Do they film the head (not only your cock as in gb01 events), can you wear a mask in case you want to remain anonymous? Not that many of their filmed parties released on the Internet yet, so any info would be useful as I am planning my traditional summer AO ganbangs.

Dates are still sparse, bu starting to get some hints to start organizing things (thanks again Swingerlover), like this one (even if far from confirmed, I know):

[QUOTE=SwingerLover;1729283]TUE, July 7th, propably 15-22:00: Spermagames AO Gangbang Party with Sexy-Juliana & others in Reichelsheim for 100 (from 18:00 for 90 , from 19:30 for 80 ; 2 hours also for 80 ) + 20 for HIV-test.[/QUOTE]

I was wondering if anyone attended the GB of natascha near Morfelden.

I was in Frankfurkt but the lack of information made me not going.

Anyway would love to hear how ot was.

[QUOTE=Frank212;1731547]I was wondering if anyone attended the GB of natascha near Morfelden.

I was in Frankfurkt but the lack of information made me not going.

Anyway would love to hear how ot was.[/QUOTE]You and me both!

[QUOTE=Gggfan;1730852]

I took part to one spermagames event but that event did not have a first part filmed: so I was wondering what was the process. Authorization? Do they film the head (not only your cock as in gb01 events), can you wear a mask in case you want to remain anonymous? Not that many of their filmed parties released on the Internet yet, so any info would be useful as I am planning my traditional summer AO ganbangs.[/QUOTE]I tried to attend one such filmed event and it had gone down like this:

Due to heavy traffic, MrBallz and I arrived a little late and were there at 13:00 sharp. After paying the entry and having a little discussion about the impossibility of combining the 20 € discount for the filming with another voucher that MrBallz still had from a previous party, we went upstairs to get tested, went inside to get some ID mug shots taken and sign a release paper, then went downstairs to get undressed and then got our wristbands for test confirmation and re-entered the lounge. By now it was 13:20 and Angi just came down the staircase. I thought: Shit, we missed the first round. But I was far off, because we had missed everything, since there was only this one 20-minute-round. So we sat around for over an hour and a half, waiting for the real party to start, which in itself was quite good. (That was back in JAN, did I report on that?

So now you know what to expect. For nothing else than saving 20 €, I would not have needed to get there 2 hours early to then sit around and wait for the party to start. Just because they had advertised the filming for 13-14:30 when in reality it only lasted from 13-13:20.

I have seen all the videos at Spermastudio and have to say the camera men really don't know what there doing, there at the wrong place at the wrong time. These guys rarely keep the camera still long enough even for a creampie to fully drip out, it It is as if they rapidly move the camera from the pussy as soon as they see a cock go near a mouth its as if they are oral fixated and that a cock in the mouth is more important than a cock in the pussy the speed in which they move the cam around is enough to cause motion sickness. To the guys that do creampies good on you But please please please when you've cum please get out of the way after you have cum and don't touch her pussy with your fingers and wipe away a good creampie before the cam has a chance to even get near it. Oh and when in line waiting please try to stand a bit further back from the guy in front I've almost seen one guys cock on the ass of the man in front, how am I meant to wank one off if that's all I can see.

Just back from a few days in Berlin. My first non AO trip in nearly 18 months. Spent 2 very enjoyable days in Annie Porsche Gangbang club. Some genuinely horny ladies there but having to go back to using condoms was horrible.

The club reminded me a bit of mettmann in some ways.

[QUOTE=Wanking;1736637]My first non AO trip in nearly 18 months. Some genuinely horny ladies there but having to go back to using condoms was horrible.[/QUOTE]Using condoms whilst having sex with prostitutes is actually the norm rather than the exception, although anyone reading many of the posts on this forum over the past few years could be fooled into thinking this wasn't the case.

Getting used to the smell of latex now might be good practice for the new year.

Well, Wanking, if you had gone to NRW instead of Berlin, there would still have been a number of AO options for you.

WED 17th, a visit to Grimbergsauna or Villa Venus would have been necessary for AO. Or maybe a visit to Saunaclub Anubis, FKA Cleopatra Arena.

THU 18th in the morning, you could have joined the AO gangbang with Ruby in Gelsenkirchen or the one in Essen with Annette and spent the afternoon and evening strolling around the RLD or hit a Swingerclub or Partytreff in Gelsenkirchen (to relax or use some condoms after all). Partytreff Palace in Gladbeck would have been another option, although a rubber one. It turned out that this place is rubbers-only, still the current P-Card offer would have given you 3 hours per day for a month (= your entire stay) for 100 € flat.

FRI 19th you could have gone to Sarah in Gelsenkirchen from 11:00 and/or to either of the 2 AO Kino gangbangs in the afternoon in Cologne or Mönchengladbach.

And if you would have been around on SAT 20th, you could have gone to the private AO party near Bochum with at least 8 private AO women. (Too bad I had to miss that one!

So for you, Gelsenkirchen would have been the place to be during those days, instead of Berlin. Oh, I know, gangbangs with only one woman are not quite your cup of tea, but neither is using condoms.

And I also must say that the number of AO flatrate options in NRW has dropped significantly, whereas the number of such events further south has risen. Which is just fine with me, since I have to do less driving. (Smile!) I still miss the Krefeld apartment parties though, along with the Turkish and Bulgarian music and all the AO girls. (Sigh!)

[QUOTE=SwingerLover;1736923] I still miss the Krefeld apartment parties though, along with the Turkish and Bulgarian music and all the AO girls. (Sigh!)[/QUOTE]Don't forget about the broken toilet seats LOL.

I like visiting Berlin for reasons other than sex, much more English spoken, and I get a great buzz from Berlin that I don't get in the NRW area.

Plus Berlin has the big street scene, great for a perv.

[QUOTE=Wanking;1737131]Don't forget about the broken toilet seats LOL.[/QUOTE]Ah, yes, I had completely forgotten about those after nearly two years at LovaFactory Kerpen and FunPark Viersen.

I think it's about time to organize our own AO parties in NRW; I already know at least 6 German guys who are interested. One of them has a proper location (with fixed toilet seats though) and it only depends on the guys from NRW to ask 2 or 3 of the former partygirls if they will do it.

[QUOTE=SwingerLover;1737285]Ah, yes, I had completely forgotten about those after nearly two years at LovaFactory Kerpen and FunPark Viersen.

I think it's about time to organize our own AO parties in NRW; I already know at least 6 German guys who are interested. One of them has a proper location (with fixed toilet seats though) and it only depends on the guys from NRW to ask 2 or 3 of the former partygirls if they will do it.[/QUOTE]Private party sounds like a plan, I would be up for the that. So long as the light is nothing like spermagames.

Just to add to what wanking said, the only Krefeld party I went to, this may sound a bit strange but after I went I thought it was meh, then as the months past I appreciated it and thought about it more and more. Now I would love to attend another.

[QUOTE=Wanking;1736637] Spent 2 very enjoyable days in Annie Porsche Gangbang club. .[/QUOTE]I never been in AP, CBJ or BBBJ?

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1737753]I never been in AP, CBJ or BBBJ?[/QUOTE]Mostly CBJ but some BBBJ.

[QUOTE=Wanking;1737771]Mostly CBJ but some BBBJ.[/QUOTE]Oh bad news. I hoped their are mostly (almost all) BBBJ like EBW. Thanks.

I have moved these posts below from the Club La Luna thread to this thread as they were more concerned about the acquisition of infections from AO clubs rather than about La Luna in particular.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;1740378]Hi WG,

I was wondering if you had picked up any STDs after your forays inn the AO ckubs. I went in April to Freude 39 and Grimsberg and got Orchitis (inflamation of the testicles). I am planning to go at the end of this week and was hoping the problem had cleared up. I tried to PM you about this but you don't have PM priviledges. Pllease PM me if you don't want to respond on the forum. Thanks.

JB.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Myrrh;1741033]Sorry to hear of your misfortune but if it is any consolation you are almost certainly not alone in picking up infections from your chosen past time.

Many / most (or should that be almost all?) will have picked up nasty along the way but this tends to be chronically under reported.

It spoils the machismo to admit any weaknesses or incidences of bad luck.

So guys report instead that they visited an AO club and splatter gunned the inside of the pussy's of half a dozen or so girls that happened to be there.

Woke the next day and repeated, but this time at a different club.

They have never picked up anything from this sort of activity over the years not even a sneeze.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;1741354]I should have reported it in April but I got so much flak from some posters, who said these things should not be posted, when I reported a previous infection, that I desisted. Perhaps it might have saved someone getting the same thing, although, hopefully, no one did.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Optimist;1741361]Reporting that sometimes there are infections is fine, but it is more difficult when someone reports on a specific place or person as they are not always correct in identifying the person transmitting the infection.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Strikesfun;1741365]Reporting on a specific board of an infection is wrong. It is a guess that this is related to this club.

Infections take days to surface, no one reports on all the places and activities that have taken place from the time in a specific location.

And this just gives agency and government administrations ammunition to shut places down.[/QUOTE]My stance on the above is publish and be damned when it comes to infections. Some news is better than no news.

It would be a tragedy for someone to go a club and pick up an infection which could have been avoided if only someone else had warned him. That guy may have taken time off work and spent lots of money going to Germany only to end up picking up an infection which probably completely ruined his visit. He may also have needed to spend more time and money afterwards curing the infection, assuming it is curable, and infections are often acutely painful as well.

All I would say is that if you are going to report then be accurate and report fully!

If you went to an STD clinic to report an infection they would ask you what sexual partners you have had and what kind of sex (oral, vaginal, anal), whether it was protected and who performed what on who.

They would want these details for at least the past 3 months which is a bit excessive as most STDs manifest themselves within a month and usually two weeks.

So if you want to report then please report as this is useful. But I think it would be good to say something like I noticed the infection on this date and over the previous month I had unprotected sex at these clubs on these dates. Please also report what other unprotected sex you have been having outside of the AO club as it is possible that you may have picked this up from a girlfriend / casual acquaintance.

Armed with this knowledge then punters can choose to stay away from a particular club for a while just in case they catch something. However if they like taking risks then they may go anyway. Maybe that is part of the thrill of AO for some.

I don't think it is fair to point out which girls at AO clubs you had sex with who could have given you the infection because.

1) If you had sex with two girls and one gave you the infection then one girl would be unfairly tainted.

2) Guys usually have sex with more than one girl at the club so the infection may have spread from one girl to others by the time that the problem is reported so which girl had it first is probably irrelevant.

So report on here which clubs you visited but also inform the club if you can.

Normally if there is an outbreak of an infection at a club then it is likely to be noticed and reported to the club by regulars anyway and the club would be expected to then take steps to investigate if there is a problem with particular girls and if so ask those girls to get treatment and to stay away until they are treated.

I can recall at least two reports on this forum over the years of girls at AO clubs who have been forced to take a 'holiday' because they were found to have infections.

In any case why is everyone worried about the reporting of infections picked up at clubs? After all the overwhelming consensus seems to be that it is impossible to pick up infections from AO. The girls never get any despite seeing many guys per day and no guys ever report any infections (apart from seemingly the one guy on here who was honest enough to report that he has picked up AO infections on more than one occasion).

It is impossible to pick up infections from AO clubs and anyone reporting that they have will just not be believed anyway. So why worry?

It is good to report things and I do wonder why I don't receive any PMs from people concerning questions they might have!

The problem is, there might be someone who speculates they got something from a particular club but it could have been the club that he went to a few days earlier! I could say that I went to this and this club and he can say he went to this and this club but then we tried out different girls. It can be possible to statistically point out which girl is infected but everyone has to compare notes honestly.

No other problems except the Urinary Tract Infection in November that was treated and cured right away (I missed Charli XCX's Album Release Party that I was invited to thanks to that problem!

Last month, a lot of the girls were coughing at Grimberg but that could have been Smoker's cough but I didn't come down with any colds!

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1741383] But I think it would be good to say something like I noticed the infection on this date and over the previous month I had unprotected sex at these clubs on these dates. Please also report what other unprotected sex you have been having outside of the AO club as it is possible that you may have picked this up from a girlfriend / casual acquaintance.

Armed with this knowledge then punters can choose to stay away from a particular club for a while just in case they catch something. However if they like taking risks then they may go anyway. Maybe that is part of the thrill of AO for some.

I don't think it is fair to point out which girls at AO clubs you had sex with who could have given you the infection because.

1) If you had sex with two girls and one gave you the infection then one girl would be unfairly tainted.

2) Guys usually have sex with more than one girl at the club so the infection may have spread from one girl to others by the time that the problem is reported so which girl had it first is probably irrelevant.

So report on here which clubs you visited but also inform the club if you can.[/QUOTE]I had no unprotected sex (except for BBBJ at the FKKs in Germany) until I went to Freude 39 and Grimsberg. I had AO intercourse with 6 girls over two days. The third day noticed my right testicle had swelled but I thought it was due to it getting twisted or sucked too hard, so I went to Villa Romantika and fucked three girls there AO but by the end of the day it had become so painful that I rested the next day and finally went to a doctor the day after when the pain continued and found out is was Orchitis. When I got the previous infection, I comtacted Club Angelique and got an acknowledgement but Villa Venus never responded.

Jimmy Boy. As so often I can see it is not possible to pin down exactly who transmitted it to you. We can only hope that the clubs you contacted arranged for extra testing of the workers. At La Luna I believe the girls are tested monthly.

Maybe a silly question, but I am interested in the process you went through to find a doctor in Germany (I assume you went in Germany). Did you just go to the nearest? And did he\she ask for details of your recent sex?

I just talked with a friend of mine who spent lots of time in FKK and similar.

He told me he knew the lady take antibiotics as prevention.

I know also in Thailand lots of girl use same procedure to prevent STD.

I talk as I do for job with doctors who gave me different opinion.

Someones think is silly and dangerous as antibiotics destroy flora and main functionality of the whole health system but some, e. G. , prescript antibiotics in case of, e. G. , cystitis, one pill after sex!

So, I suppose all of the girl gets antibiotics, may be, once a working day but it doesn't mean STD are avoided.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;1741691]I had no unprotected sex (except for BBBJ at the FKKs in Germany) until I went to Freude 39 and Grimsberg. I had AO intercourse with 6 girls over two days. The third day noticed my right testicle had swelled but I thought it was due to it getting twisted or sucked too hard, so I went to Villa Romantika and fucked three girls there AO but by the end of the day it had become so painful that I rested the next day and finally went to a doctor the day after when the pain continued and found out is was Orchitis. When I got the previous infection, I comtacted Club Angelique and got an acknowledgement but Villa Venus never responded.[/QUOTE]I just wanted to point out that Orchitis can be caused by STD's (chlamydia or gonorrhea) but is not itself an STD. It is an inflammation of the testes, sometimes from the STD's mentioned and sometimes from epididymitis or brucellosis. It is fairly easily treated with antibiotics.

I agree that prompt reporting of full details is the best way to deal with these things. Then all concerned parties can act as they see fit.

To the anti-AO hysterics, there are many serious contagious diseases that are transmitted more easily than STD's to which you have exposure all the time.

[QUOTE=Optimist;1741699]Maybe a silly question, but I am interested in the process you went through to find a doctor in Germany (I assume you went in Germany). Did you just go to the nearest? And did he\she ask for details of your recent sex?[/QUOTE]I went on-line and got the name of a doctor or clinic (I forget what search term I used). When I got to the address, it was not there. I went into a nearby pharmacy and asked where it was and was told it was no longer there. She gave me the address of a hospital with a walk-in clinic and I went there for treatment. He asked me about my sexual activity. Perhpas the easiest thing to do is just to go to a pharmacy and ask where you can get tested.

As I reported in a previous post, I got the Chlamydia prize 3 times out of 7 or 8 AO stints (at least 3 girls each time) at La Luna some years ago before it closed and reopened. For me, barebacking carries a much higher risk of STD in Germany than it does eg in the Cameroons or than it did in the good old days in Jakarta. Too many desperate barebackers from Europe and the World converging on too few barebacking venues IMO. Unless you have a cock coated in teflon which some punters here seem to have.

[QUOTE=WanderingGroo;1741676]No other problems except the Urinary Tract Infection in November that was treated and cured right away (I missed Charli XCX's Album Release Party that I was invited to thanks to that problem![/QUOTE]That is funny you mentioned it. Around the same time I was at F39 where I met a girl who I thought reminded me of Charli XCX. I gave her a nice back rub while a song by Charli XCX, "Break the Rules," was playing. It ended with me giving her a big cream pie, one of my best memories of the trip.

Happy to say, no STDs were contracted.

[QUOTE=XXL;1742345]As I reported in a previous post, I got the Chlamydia prize 3 times out of 7 or 8 AO stints (at least 3 girls each time) at La Luna some years ago before it closed and reopened. For me, barebacking carries a much higher risk of STD in Germany than it does eg in the Cameroons or than it did in the good old days in Jakarta. Too many desperate barebackers from Europe and the World converging on too few barebacking venues IMO. Unless you have a cock coated in teflon which some punters here seem to have.[/QUOTE]Well, no teflon here but I've only contracted STD's twice in my life, both gonorrhea, both times stateside, once with a working girl and the other I don't know from whom. That's out of 37 years of the hobby, 99% of the time bareback. I'm probably not a high volume hobbyist, however, averaging maybe 100 times a year.

I know he doesn't post here anymore but many of us have enjoyed his reports over the years.

He is currently out in Thailand, sticking his bare mushroom cock into any available orifice, and posting it on his 'p4p' blog.

The blog is in French but Google chrome is your friend for translation. [URL]http://goo.gl/7LzqeP[/URL].

[URL]https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_von_Abk%C3%BCrzungen_in_der_Sexarbeit[/URL]

Is in German but really understandble.

It's that time of year again.

I'm posting this here as we don't have a separate travel announcement thread in this section. Come August I'm doing my annual motorcycle trip to Germany and plan on fornicating until my privates fall off. If anyone would care to meet up at any time or place during my trip, it would be a blast to have somebody to chat with between battles.

My schedule is tentatively as follows;.

02.08 - Arriving, can be in Hamburg by 14:00 if there is anything going on there, otherwise will push on further south.

03.08 - It looks like Melanie Moon will have something happening in Karlsruhe on this day. Haven't been officially announced as of right now though.

04.08 - Spermagames party in Mörfelden. I have already signed up.

05.08 - Gina Blond party in Düren. I have already signed up and sent deposit.

06.08 - Open for now, but need to stay in the Cologne vicinity.

07.08 - Open for now, but need to stay in the Cologne vicinity.

08.08 - Open for now, though I will need to travel northwards.

09.08 - Return trip, no time for fun.

As always I'm very open for tips and advice, and will be keeping a sharp eye on the calendar. Again, a huge thanks to SL for all his efforts in that regard!

[QUOTE=ThomasNorway;1747019]It's that time of year again.

I'm posting this here as we don't have a separate travel announcement thread in this section. Come August I'm doing my annual motorcycle trip to Germany and plan on fornicating until my privates fall off. If anyone would care to meet up at any time or place during my trip, it would be a blast to have somebody to chat with between battles.

My schedule is tentatively as follows;.

02.08 - Arriving, can be in Hamburg by 14:00 if there is anything going on there, otherwise will push on further south.

03.08 - It looks like Melanie Moon will have something happening in Karlsruhe on this day. Haven't been officially announced as of right now though.

04.08 - Spermagames party in Mrfelden. I have already signed up.

05.08 - Gina Blond party in Dren. I have already signed up and sent deposit...[/QUOTE]I plan on being at the event in Karlsruhe if I can get the day off from work. Maybe I'll see you there.

EC

My streak continues. A doctor confirmed that I had gonorrhea and treated me for it and chlamydia. That makes 3 out of 5 times I have gotten something after visiting RTC clubs (two times gonorrhea and one time orchitis).

To pre-empt those who would immediately post how do you know where, when, and who, etc. I did not have any sexual contacts from when I left Germany on 6/24 until I returned on 7/3, so it is only a remote possibility, at best, that I was already infected.

I had BBBJ but covered sex with Lily and Alana at VV on 7/3, BBBJ and covered sex with Beatrix and Anita, then BBBJ and A / O sex with Melissa and a brunette, all at Freude 39 on 7/4, then BBBJ and A / O sex with Alina and Simone at Romantika and then BBBJ and A / O sex with Marianne and Jasmin at VV, all on 7/5.

While it is perhaps possible that I got infected by one of the bbbjs, it is much more likely that one of the girls I had A / O sex with infected me, and I may have infected the ones I subsequently had A / O sex with.

I have contacted the clubs about getting the girls I mentioned tested.

Jimmy Boy, thanks for the info. It is good to have the knowledge that sometimes there are infections. Bad luck . It is good to tell the clubs you visited that you might have passed on an infection. Of course as always which girl has what infection when is guesswork and also temporary.

Recently a girl I went with was reported on a forum to have an infection. Both she and I were tested subsequently and found to have no infections.

This does not add up and I am not trying to create a heated discussion here but I was there at VV and 39 that weekend, had sessions with the same women, and have no problem.

In addition, I was tested this past week and have no problem of infections.

I was at VV and 39 for about 4 hours each and these girls had a number of fun sessions with other guest.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;1747384]My streak continues. A doctor confirmed that I had gonorrhea and treated me for it and chlamydia. That makes 3 out of 5 times I have gotten something after visiting RTC clubs (two times gonorrhea and one time orchitis).

To pre-empt those who would immediately post how do you know where, when, and who, etc. I did not have any sexual contacts from when I left Germany on 6/24 until I returned on 7/3, so it is only a remote possibility, at best, that I was already infected.

I had BBBJ but covered sex with Lily and Alana at VV on 7/3, BBBJ and covered sex with Beatrix and Anita, then BBBJ and A / O sex with Melissa and a brunette, all at Freude 39 on 7/4, then BBBJ and A / O sex with Alina and Simone at Romantika and then BBBJ and A / O sex with Marianne and Jasmin at VV, all on 7/5.

While it is perhaps possible that I got infected by one of the bbbjs, it is much more likely that one of the girls I had A / O sex with infected me, and I may have infected the ones I subsequently had A / O sex with.

I have contacted the clubs about getting the girls I mentioned tested.[/QUOTE]

I have realised that it may be against the forum rules to say that someone has an std, unless backed up by publicly accessible records. I am a bit unsure about the rules here.

[QUOTE=Strikesfun;1747893]This does not add up and I am not trying to create a heated discussion here but I was there at VV and 39 that weekend, had sessions with the same women, and have no problem.

In addition, I was tested this past week and have no problem of infections.

I was at VV and 39 for about 4 hours each and these girls had a number of fun sessions with other guest.[/QUOTE]You are either luckier, more resistant, or both. The doctor at the clinic took one look at the pus on my dick and said you have gonorrhea, and gave me a shot of Penicillin and two tablets for chlamydia. I also gave them a tube of liquid (not blood, word for what I gave is prohibited on this site) to test. In the unlikely event it comes back negative, I will certainly post that.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;1747979]You are either luckier, more resistant, or both.[/QUOTE]Jimmy Boy,

Unfortunately it seems that you happen to have a normal dick instead of a copper plated one like the other super jocks on here.

I must admit that I was beginning to have some serious doubts about whether any STI's actually existed after reading numerous reports of pussies being splatter gunned, but never any accounts of any mishaps.

Are you really telling us that it is actually possible to catch an infection from AO sex?

My little friend is not made of Teflon or copper plated, but I haven't caught anything in yrs. Some end up with a burning sensation when taking a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url], I developed this disease of burning desire to return to Germany ASAP!

I had two STDs on three AO trips. One time: gono+chlamy (very funny to have something green and smelly coming out of your dick.). Second time: only chlamy.

Came back last week from my last trip (only one AO encounter). I've been feeling sick all this week (probably unrelated to AO, more to french kissing) but to this day, nothing green coming out of my dick.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;1747979]You are either luckier, more resistant, or both. The doctor at the clinic took one look at the pus on my dick and said you have gonorrhea, and gave me a shot of Penicillin and two tablets for chlamydia. I also gave them a tube of liquid (not blood, word for what I gave is prohibited on this site) to test. In the unlikely event it comes back negative, I will certainly post that.[/QUOTE]It's official. Test came back positive for gonorrhea, negative for chlamydia, syphillis, HIV.

In light of an event in the near future:

I took part in the last teeny gang bang at club la Luna in may, with Kathi, Miruna, and Flori. I wrote a short report about it in a German forum and spread some hints about using big white pills (co-amoxi) before and after the event. While I took the first pill just as a means of precaution my little friend cried a whitey tear drop the next morning. The second and a few more pills solved the problem just fine for me but I'm pretty sure that it would have been worse if I hadn't taken the pill before.

I'm not recommending to do like I did. No doctor would either. Moreover, probably not everybody has easy access to antibiotics. I'm writing this because in two days there will be another teeny gang bang at CLL. So everybody be prepared! Of course all of you know the risk but maybe a reminder of the dangers from time to time can't do no harm.

Funny thing is if you catch something at an event like this it doesn't necessarily have to be a gift from one of the ladies but could at least in theory be a man to man transmission via a commonly visited cave of joy. For some strange macho reason getting gonorrhea from a man would annoy me more than having it from a woman.

I won't be there for the gang bang by the way. But that's just because I've spent hours with Kathi yesterday. And two visits per week at CLL is more than my inner life can bear.

[QUOTE=Biggusdickus;1749666]I took part in the last teeny gang bang at club la Luna in may, with Kathi, Miruna, and Flori. I wrote a short report about it in a German forum and spread some hints about using big white pills (co-amoxi) before and after the event. While I took the first pill just as a means of precaution my little friend cried a whitey tear drop the next morning. The second and a few more pills solved the problem just fine for me but I'm pretty sure that it would have been worse if I hadn't taken the pill before.

Funny thing is if you catch something at an event like this it doesn't necessarily have to be a gift from one of the ladies but could at least in theory be a man to man transmission via a commonly visited cave of joy.[/QUOTE]I think you have done a good job of dampening the ardor of anyone thinking of joining one of these events. Unless of course the thrill comes from the bug-chasing.

Since there is a discussion in the Club LaLuna thread which doesn't belong there, I'll move it over to this thread. As I already had commented there:

[QUOTE=Dreams;1756735]Respectfully disagree with this last comments. Which facts?

There are no data showing increase of HIV infections in Germany, quite the opposite, And even less "facts" to suggest that HIV infections in Germany are due to people form abroad flying to AO clubs. All this is speculative, SW theories as much as Myrrh's, your's or mine.[/QUOTE].

I agree. In addition, it's not even quite clear anymore whether HIV has got anything to do with AIDS at all: [URL]http://www.medizin-unwahrheiten.de/die_aids_luge.html[/URL].

[QUOTE=Biggusdickus;1756368]At least I know for a fact that there are people who fly in from abroad to visit AO clubs in Germany because I've done it myself!
And I'm also pretty sure that the reason for the intended AO ban is an increase of STI, probably HIV-infections in particular.[/QUOTE]It's uncontested that guys fly in from abroad to visit AO Clubs, parties and hoors. But the overall minimal number of guys from abroad is certainly NOT the reason for any planned ban.

Keeping in mind that the last official paper (the Basic Points paper from AUG 14th 2014) didn't mention an AO ban at all, but rather the option of only prohibiting ads for AO. Everything else might be pure media speculation, just like they had written about a "gangbang ban", while the Basic Points paper only stated "[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] gangbang". But since next to nobody among German native speakers understands the term "[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]", they just omitted that from their articles. I don't believe anything I read in the newspapers about a prospected law unless I can check the source myself. As I did with the Basic Points paper from AUG 14th 2014: [URL]http://berufsverband-sexarbeit.de/blog/wp-content/uploads/BMFSFJ_Eckpunkte_Prostituiertenschutzgesetz.pdf[/URL].

[QUOTE=VitoCorleone;1756363]
I have not been keeping up with the latest on the so called AO ban, but if it is not even past the first step of discussion then I would assume it would be unrealistic to get to past the final step by January 2016?[/QUOTE]Who knows?

Last report I had read was this article from right after the protest demonstration (on June 13th in Frankfurt), where it says: "Es theürfte die Gegner des Gesetzes beruhigen, dass der Entwurf zum Prostituierten-Schutz-Gesetz bislang nicht einmal in der Ressortabstimmung ist. So bald wird es also vermutlich noch kein neues Gesetz geben. " [URL]http://www.fr-online.de/politik/prostituierte--haengepartie-beim-prostitutionsgesetz[/URL], 1472596,30966220. Html.

Translation: "It should calm down the opponents of the law, that the concept to the prostitutes-protection-law isn't even in the interdepartmental coordination so far. Therefore there will propably be no new law all that soon. ".

And the latest info is the press release from the 'Dona Carmen e. V. ' association from July 11th: [URL]http://www.donacarmen.de/prostituiertenschutzgesetz-paranoia-grosse-koalition-profiliert-sich-als-stalker/[/URL].

Since I am planning to visit A / O clubs at the end of September, given my history of contracting gonorrhea at the A / O clubs, I am hoping to avoid another incident. Being inspired by a previous poster who took antibiotics as a prophylactic before going to a gang bang at La Luna, I did search and found a study that seems to indicate that Doxycycline 100 MG tablets are pretty effective in preventing STDs: [URL]http://journals.lww.com/stdjournal/Fulltext/2015/02000/Doxycycline_Prophylaxis_to_Reduce_Incident.9.aspx[/URL]#. I requested my doctor give me a prescription for it and he did. I will take them and see if I avoid another incident.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;1765725]Since I am planning to visit A / O clubs at the end of September, given my history of contracting gonorrhea at the A / O clubs, I am hoping to avoid another incident. Being inspired by a previous poster who took antibiotics as a prophylactic before going to a gang bang at La Luna, I did search and found a study that seems to indicate that Doxycycline 100 MG tablets are pretty effective in preventing STDs: [URL]http://journals.lww.com/stdjournal/Fulltext/2015/02000/Doxycycline_Prophylaxis_to_Reduce_Incident.9.aspx[/URL]#. I requested my doctor give me a prescription for it and he did. I will take them and see if I avoid another incident.[/QUOTE]The study is about Syphillis.

Gono and chlamydia habe been resistent to doxycycline for some time now.

[QUOTE=XXL;1765727]The study is about Syphillis.

Gono and chlamydia habe been resistent to doxycycline for some time now.[/QUOTE]True for the clap, but Doxi is still one of the two standard treatments for chlamydia.

[QUOTE=XXL;1765727]The study is about Syphillis.

Gono and chlamydia habe been resistent to doxycycline for some time now.[/QUOTE]It was: the findings about gonorrhea and chlamydia were fortuitous. As of two years ago, the CDC was recommending Doxycycline or Azithromycin (along with injectable ceftriaxone) as the treatment for gonorrhea: [URL]http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/docs/Gonorrhea-Treatment-Guidelines-FactSheet.pdf[/URL].

[QUOTE=FreeDude;1765742]True for the clap, [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XXL;1765727]Gono and chlamydia habe been resistent to doxycycline for some time now.[/QUOTE]That's quite simply NOT true! So please stop stating facts about stuff you obviously know nothing about!

Dear all,

I'll be end of the week / beginning of the next one in Munich.

Do you have advice / address for AO meeting with escort? Club or whatever?

Many thanks,

L

AO is illegal in Bavarian P6. So you won't find any offers, probably.

[QUOTE=Larrybambel;1768358]Dear all,

I'll be end of the week / beginning of the next one in Munich.

Do you have advice / address for AO meeting with escort? Club or whatever?

Many thanks,

L[/QUOTE]

So I am going to NRW for my vacation. I have been twice before and am looking to compile an up to date list to make my limited time work efficiently. I really appreciate the feedback you provide on the following clubs. I was hoping for a flatrate AO club, but obviously there are none anymore (I'm assuming that Fun Park is now closed). Also, please let me know if I missed any clubs. Thank you everyone for your help! Also, if anyone will be around between Sept 14th and 18th, let me know and I will buy you a beer! I have a hotel booked in Gelsenkirchen as I have found this to be quite centrally located. Thanks again!

1. Fun Park. I am assuming this is closed now. I have been unable to find a website or location.

2, Freude 39 - I have not been here before but as I have been reading, this may now be the best club for AO. When did it open? Is this still pay per session and what are the prices? Does this club allow smoking inside?

3. Grimberg Sauna. This has been one of my favorite places in the past. I'm assuming it is still pay per session, anyone know the current prices?

4. Arabella. I do not remember being here. Any feedback? Prices? Pay per session? Smoking allowed inside?

5. La Luna. It looks like they moved since I was last here. Any current reviews? I remember they used to have specials for 6 sessions for a flat price. Is this still the case?

6. FKK Villa Venus. I really liked this club when I visited the first time, but my 2nd trip I fee like they ripped me off, as I do not speak German. I may be willing to give them a second chance. What are their prices?

7. FKK Dietzenbach. I have never been here and never heard of it, any feedback? Prices? Is this near Frankfurt, maybe that is why I never heard of it.

8. Villa Romantica. I do not think I have been here. What is the quality and pricing? Do they allow smoking?

[QUOTE=BuffaloJunk;1768749]1. Fun Park. I am assuming this is closed now. I have been unable to find a website or location.[/QUOTE]That's correct, I've searched around and don't think that it has reopened there or relocated.

[QUOTE]2, Freude 39 - I have not been here before but as I have been reading, this may now be the best club for AO. When did it open? Is this still pay per session and what are the prices? Does this club allow smoking inside?[/QUOTE]It's been open for years, but I've only learned it was AO this year. Prices change, a recent post here says 40 entry and 30 per session. Earlier, you paid up front for everything and bought a fixed number of sessions on entry, now I think you pay for sessions as you go. It was smoking friendly as of April when I visited. I'll know better in a fortnight. Be warned that not all the girls do AO so ask before you commit to a session.

[QUOTE]7. FKK Dietzenbach. I have never been here and never heard of it, any feedback? Prices? Is this near Frankfurt, maybe that is why I never heard of it.[/QUOTE]Yes, it is near Frankfurt and far from the other AO clubs, it's the only one in the area I know of.

[QUOTE=BuffaloJunk;1768749]
2, Freude 39 - I have not been here before but as I have been reading, this may now be the best club for AO. When did it open? Is this still pay per session and what are the prices? Does this club allow smoking inside?

3. Grimberg Sauna. This has been one of my favorite places in the past. I'm assuming it is still pay per session, anyone know the current prices?

4. Arabella. I do not remember being here. Any feedback? Prices? Pay per session? Smoking allowed inside?

6. FKK Villa Venus. I really liked this club when I visited the first time, but my 2nd trip I fee like they ripped me off, as I do not speak German. I may be willing to give them a second chance. What are their prices?

7. FKK Dietzenbach. I have never been here and never heard of it, any feedback? Prices? Is this near Frankfurt, maybe that is why I never heard of it.

8. Villa Romantica. I do not think I have been here. What is the quality and pricing? Do they allow smoking?[/QUOTE]All this club allowed smoking inside.

Dietezenbach is in Offenabch, around 20/30 by S2 train from Frankfurt Hauptbahnohf. Price is 40 e for entry fee and 30 e for 30 min with the girls.

I visited other RTC last year so I'm not updated about current prices.

[QUOTE=BuffaloJunk;1768749]So I am going to NRW for my vacation. [/QUOTE]I don't know but can can try this one (or one of them).

[URL]http://www.m-exclusiv.com/[/URL]

Some of the girls, e. G. , Ruby and Amira, Freude39, have been working in M-exclusiv.

Just returned from NRW a few days ago.

Grimberg and Arabella: 60 euro entry includes session with one girl. Each additional session is 30 euros.

LaLuna: 20 euro entry plus 60 euro for each AO session. They seem to have gangbangs every few months, otherwise the aformentioned price applies.

I would add that I spoke to a German guy in Arabella locker room about the new law. He stated that the two most powerful parties in Germany (Merkel's conservative party as well as the liberal party) support the law to ban AO, gangbangs and flat rate so that it was almost certain it would be passed. The clubs seemed significantly busier than they have when I've visited them during the past 5 years or so, which may reflect that German punters are aware that the good times may be over soon and they'd better enjoy the AO clubs while they can.

[QUOTE=Patbutter;1772579]Just returned from NRW a few days ago.

I spoke to a German guy in Arabella locker room about the new law. He stated that the two most powerful parties in Germany (Merkel's conservative party as well as the liberal party) support the law to ban AO, gangbangs and flat rate so that it was almost certain it would be passed. The clubs seemed significantly busier than they have when I've visited them during the past 5 years or so, which may reflect that German punters are aware that the good times may be over soon and they'd better enjoy the AO clubs while they can.[/QUOTE]Did he say when the law will come into force?

[QUOTE=MarineOne;1772961]Did he say when the law will come into force?[/QUOTE]Unfortunately I didn't think to ask him.

[QUOTE=Patbutter;1772579]Just returned from NRW a few days ago.

Grimberg and Arabella: 60 euro entry includes session with one girl. Each additional session is 30 euros.[/QUOTE]How is the line up? I've read yesterday that one guy visited Grimberg and left because the women were so bad.

[QUOTE=Patbutter;1772579]I would add that I spoke to a German guy in Arabella locker room about the new law. He stated that the two most powerful parties in Germany (Merkel's conservative party as well as the liberal party) support the law to ban AO, gangbangs and flat rate so that it was almost certain it would be passed.[/QUOTE]Clarifications: There's no "liberal party" in the Bundestag at this moment, it's the social demokrats who are forming the coalition with the CDU.

Second: At this point the current concept for a draft law doesn't mention gangbang and flatrate anymore, and there's no AO ban in discussion, but rather a "condom duty" regarding prostitution. (A 'ban'and a 'duty' are legally two completely different things!)

There's already been a discussion about this toppic in the 'Lounge and Chat area' of the Germany FKK Clubs forum; read up there as well.

[QUOTE=MarineOne;1772961]Did he say when the law will come into force?[/QUOTE]If at all, then it's supposed to come in effect 6 months after publication. So nothing will happen before April for sure.

[QUOTE=Downandup;1776302]How is the line up? I've read yesterday that one guy visited Grimberg and left because the women were so bad.[/QUOTE]I'll answer my own question, it was pretty good. As expected the girls are not as good looking as at the top Saunaclubs in the area but not dogs. I had a good time and should have stayed longer.

Report here suggests refugee women are being forced into prostitution in camps in hoormany for as little as 10 euro, and at that price who would want to pay for a condom!

The dailymail is pretty famous for its bullshit but there may be some truth in this.

[URL]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3249667/Germany-state-SIEGE-Merkel-cheered-opened-floodgates-migrants-gangs-men-roaming-streets-young-German-women-told-cover-mood-s-changing.html?ito=social-facebook[/URL]

[QUOTE=Wanking;1779112]Report here suggests refugee women are being forced into prostitution in camps in hoormany for as little as 10 euro, and at that price who would want to pay for a condom!/URL][/QUOTE]BS! How could refugee women prostitute when the percentage of prostitutionable women among refugees is a few percent at most.

According to one count, refugees are 13% women & children, 97% males. It's not Thai males who are flocking to Germany, it's Arabs who left their young women behind for a reason.

What could happen though is that those men start seeking prostitutes in Germany, pushing up demand.

[QUOTE=SwingerLover;1777984]Second: At this point . . . there's no AO ban in discussion, but rather a "condom duty" regarding prostitution. (A 'ban'and a 'duty' are legally two completely different things!).[/QUOTE]Can you clarify what that means? I read in the papers that there will be fines for the brothel owner as well as the clients if condoms are not used. I don't see much practical difference between a ban and a duty if that's the case. Like speeding in your car is "banned" and the penalty is to pay a duty (speeding ticket.) Or did you mean something else?

Had last been to the club in June 2014 when it was still Club Angelique in Viersen. Noted then in a post that Kathi was looking a little haggard and the other girls also deteriorating. Based on all the rave reports about the girls in the new club in Moers, I decided to visit it. Arrived about 12:45 PM. Paid entry, changed, and went to bar to have my breakfast (apple pie that I brought with me). On the way to the bar, I saw Kathi standing by the door of a room for a minute. Barely recognized her, as she looked even more haggard and worn out than two years ago. She is fucking herself into a frazzle. Didn't see her again the rest of the time I was there. The other 5 girls did not seem that impressive at first sight.

Was impressed by the coffee machine, as I was expecting the usual coffee urn. Had three cappuccinos with my pie. I then showered and went to seriously look at the girls. All except one were not young, not very pretty, and somewhat chubby. The exception was presumably Miruna, but even she had a hard, not sweet, face, and would been my 5th or 6th choice at Villa Venus. I sat staring at them for about 15 minutes wondering why I should pay to fuck them when I could fuck Marianne, Jasmin, Michaela (the young, non-anal one), and Anna Maria, who were all far better looking, at VV, for half the price. I finally decided that it was stupid to do so and left, to the apparent surprise and bewilderment of the girls and the receptionist.

The members who would fuck the girls at this club over the girls at VV, and pay double for the privilege of doing so, have obviously very different tastes than me. I probably drank 5 Euros worth of cappuccinos, so I only wasted 15 Euro and half an hour. Unless you can drink 20 Euros worth of cappuccinos and have lots of time to kill, don't bother with this club.

Sandra from Viersen, who has appeared many times on Swinger Lover's AO calendar, has an interesting approach to the proposed new AO law on her website:

[URL]http://sandraprivat.liebesdienste.net/service.html[/URL]

She will continue to offer AO, but won't advertise it and won't discuss it over the phone. She will only discuss it in person. So she will in future essentially be relying on word of mouth to let it be known that she offers AO. I suppose it's a sensible approach, if the law ever comes in and includes a ban on advertising AO.

In the meantime, though, she's having a schlammschieben gangbang with Nicki from Duisburg on Tuesday 6 October, which is unfortunately a couple of weeks too early for my next trip to Germany, but if anyone else goes, I'd love to hear a report.

[URL]http://gangbang.liebesdienste.net[/URL]

[QUOTE=MarineOne;1779407]Can you clarify what that means? I read in the papers that there will be fines for the brothel owner as well as the clients if condoms are not used. I don't see much practical difference between a ban and a duty if that's the case. Like speeding in your car is "banned" and the penalty is to pay a duty (speeding ticket.) Or did you mean something else?[/QUOTE]First up: Don't believe anything you read in the papers on this matter! They have been unreliable in the past, spreading only half-truths and assumptions. I don't think that it's become much better this time. I only believe official papers, like the "Referentenentwurf" from late July, to which I posted a link already and which is to my knowledge still the latest official news.

The difference between a ban and a duty is a legal technicality. An AO ban would not include BBBJs, a condom duty would. Another difference is best explained by a comparison to alcohol prohibition: There's a difference whether they would prohibit alcoholic beverages on the one side or on the other side were forcing people to drink alcohol-free beer by implementing an 'alcohol-free beer duty', which would even apply to people who don't like beer at all. Besides: It's ludicrous to prohibit having sex the natural way by inventing a 'condom duty'. Not to mention that such a 'condom duty' is completely uninforceable. What are they going to do? Sit in the room and watch?

[QUOTE=IlsArm;1781716] has an interesting approach to the proposed new AO law on her website:
She will continue to offer AO, but won't advertise it and won't discuss it over the phone. She will only discuss it in person. So she will in future essentially be relying on word of mouth to let it be known that she offers AO. I suppose it's a sensible approach, if the law ever comes in and includes a ban on advertising AO.[/QUOTE]She's done that since March, it's only know, when it became clear that there would be no law in effect for at least another 6 months, that she started advertising again. She was one of those who fell for the stupid newspaper propaganda half a year ago and needlessly stopped advertising for AO back then.

To summarize: The "law", should it be passed, is supposed to become effective 6 months after it's published. So nothing will happen before May anyway. Gangbang and Flatrate are not even mentioned anymore (at least I didn't see it while scrolling through the text).

The latest news are some statements from various organisations: [URL]http://aidshilfe.de/de/aktuelles/meldungen/prostituiertenschutzgesetz-neue-gefahren-statt-schutz[/URL].

To my surprise even the 'Deutsche AIDS-Hilfe' is AGAINST (!) a condom duty! [URL]http://www.aidshilfe.de/sites/default/files/2015-09-11_PrSchG_DAH-Stellungnahme_final.pdf[/URL].

Of course they are still not advocating AO, but are against a generally forced 'condum duty' by law. This is the last group from which I would have expected any support against a 'condom duty'. If even they are against it, then I'd really like to know why this matter is still open for discussion. Kill the 'condom duty'!

Hi dudes!

Any type of club like that in Stuttgart area?

Dietz is far away.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=SwingerLover;1783317]To my surprise even the 'Deutsche AIDS-Hilfe' is AGAINST (!) a condom duty! [URL]http://www.aidshilfe.de/sites/default/files/2015-09-11_PrSchG_DAH-Stellungnahme_final.pdf[/URL].

Of course they are still not advocating AO, but are against a generally forced 'condum duty' by law. This is the last group from which I would have expected any support against a 'condom duty'. If even they are against it, then I'd really like to know why this matter is still open for discussion. Kill the 'condom duty'![/QUOTE]I think they have the fear that a ban will make the AO scene much more "underground" which will without any doubt result in less people who want to be tested, thereby increasing the chance of spreading of VD in general and AIDS in particular.

I am just thinking that Charlie Sheen might also have been a reader of these AO pages because he, like many on here, was of the belief apparently that it was impossible to get HIV even if you barebacked hundreds of prostitutes.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1802040]I am just thinking that Charlie Sheen might also have been a reader of these AO pages because he, like many on here, was of the belief apparently that it was impossible to get HIV even if you barebacked hundreds of prostitutes.[/QUOTE]Nothing to do with prostitutes, he got it through IV drugs and contact wth similar addicted people.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1802040]I am just thinking that Charlie Sheen might also have been a reader of these AO pages because he, like many on here, was of the belief apparently that it was impossible to get HIV even if you barebacked hundreds of prostitutes.[/QUOTE]Guy had a big drug problem, a shared needle might have been the culprit.

Do the STD / STI tests that Germany require for sex workers include Herpes (HSV2)?

I am not sure whether this is the right place for this however I could not find any appropriate threads in the 'special interests' part of the forum.

I seemed to have noticed a lot more discussion of squirting on here with some girls advertised at gangbangs in the German AO threads as specifically providing this service. I am not a fan to be honest. Neither am I of other 'fringe' practices like fisting and NS.

Perhaps the German AO forum is better than others for this to be discussed as Germans seem to be keener on these sort of practices than perhaps other nations.

Fisting: I first came across this when I used to attend swinger parties in the UK where the typical women there were MILFs whose pussies had become so stretched through child birth and age that a normal penis no longer provided the filling required. So a fist or even an arm was a better substitute. But what was in it for the man? Apart from maybe gaining pleasure from the fact that he was turning the woman on. After all there aren't that many nerve endings at the end of a fist otherwise boxers would be having orgasms after each and every round. When it comes to sticking my big fist or my littler penis into a woman I know which one I would prefer.

NS: I have seen this in more German porn videos than in the porn from other countries. Also I was at a Spermagames AO event about a year ago where Bonita de Sax was one of the performers. At the end of the event she went and sat down inside a shower cubicle. A group of guys gather round the door of the shower cubicle and a couple of them let spray. I had never seen this in real life before so was keen to see whether it would turn me on. It didn't. She was coughing, spluttering and snorting as the stuff went up her nose. Constantly blowing through her nose to try and clear it. Then there was that distinctive odor which I immediately recognized. I found the whole thing frankly disgusting and I had thought that I was fairly broadminded. There has been mention of this sort of thing occasionally in reports from other similar parties in the past. Again I didn't see how the males involved derived their pleasure from this other than from the thought that they were 'degrading' a woman. A sort of power trip. Also I suppose the 'release' sensation is a little bit similar to that when you cum but obviously not on the same scale.

Squirting: As mentioned there has been much mention of this at recent parties that have taken place. Spermagames and GB01 parties over the past few weeks have frequently included one woman who was advertised as providing this service. Again I don't see the attraction. There have been reports from guys on here who seemed wildly excited that a woman exploded over them and sprayed half the room as well. Some, like myself, are still not completely convinced that this is actually female cum but instead perhaps a different kind of 'fluid'. Sperm looks like sperm whereas a woman's cum looks like you-know-what. In any case where is the pleasure to be derived for the man. I get pleasure when I cum. I couldn't care less about whether the woman does especially if am paying her. Also when I cum girls, even if I am paying, are normally keen to avoid the stuff getting anywhere near them whereas some guys on here appear to want to wallow in the stuff if it comes out of a woman.

[QUOTE=PvtMike;1802242]Do the STD / STI tests that Germany require for sex workers include Herpes (HSV2)?[/QUOTE]Sex workers in Germany are NOT legally required to be tested.

I am making plans for Christmas and New Year and I am considering spending that period in Germsmany.

I was just wondering whether anyone definitely knew whether any AO clubs will be open on the days of Christmas and New Year's eve itself. Also perhaps the days in between.

By AO clubs I mean the red carpet clubs (RTC) or La Luna. For apartment parties it would be difficult to say whether there would be any happening as they normally only advertise a few days before the event. Party clubs like Spermagames and GB01 have already advertised their dates for December and do not have anything planned for those two days so I am assuming that this is not going to change.

With the 'AO ban' law originally supposed to have come into force at the end of this year, I had always planned for this year to be my last hurrah on the AO front as the situation may well be very different in terms of AO for Christmas / New Year in 2016.

If there are no AO clubs open then I would consider partytreffs and even FKKs. Does anyone know if these are likely to be open on those days?

I could spend Christmas the traditional way with the family or friends but I would rather be banging the new year in at some party rather than standing in some wet, cold, city street somewhere looking at fireworks.

Also, rather than basting the turkey on Christmas day would prefer instead to be turkey basting some young Romanian / Bulgarian chicks with my baby batter.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1807023]I am making plans for Christmas and New Year and I am considering spending that period in Germsmany.

I was just wondering whether anyone definitely knew whether any AO clubs will be open on the days of Christmas and New Year's eve itself. Also perhaps the days in between.

By AO clubs I mean the red carpet clubs (RTC) or La Luna. For apartment parties it would be difficult to say whether there would be any happening as they normally only advertise a few days before the event. Party clubs like Spermagames and GB01 have already advertised their dates for December and do not have anything planned for those two days so I am assuming that this is not going to change.

With the 'AO ban' law originally supposed to have come into force at the end of this year, I had always planned for this year to be my last hurrah on the AO front as the situation may well be very different in terms of AO for Christmas / New Year in 2016.[/QUOTE]From what I remember most Germans celebrate Christmas on Christmas Eve. Thats said most of the girls that work in the clubs are Romanian and thus would celebrate the "Orthodox Christmas" which is some two weeks later. So there may be some, but some will be gone as well.

[QUOTE=DFWdude;1807245]From what I remember most Germans celebrate Christmas on Christmas Eve. Thats said most of the girls that work in the clubs are Romanian and thus would celebrate the "Orthodox Christmas" which is some two weeks later. So there may be some, but some will be gone as well.[/QUOTE]Some Romenian are catholics (30-35%) but Christmas even if "Orthodox" is celebrated on 25th as well.

More Eastern countries such as Ukraine, Russia, both Orthodox, celebrate Christmas on 7th January.

Anyway, for what I know, in this time of the year, girls prefer to spend holiday at home.

I got the chance to inform also that Easter sometimes happens as for Catholic, sometimes (as last year) 2 weeks later.

Romenian girls both Cath or Ort., feel a lot that celebration , overseas too, but it takes fron Sat.eve till Sunday...

Anyway, I realized their most inportant religion is €€€€€ which let them overcome celebrations...
:-)

I will be making my first trip to Germany soon (my first trip abroad actually) and I just wanted to thank everyone here for the wealth of information and answers you've provided.

I was thinking about attending the Dec. 7th party with Sexy Susi and Gundula Pervers ([URL]http://www.sexy-susi.info/Seite5n.php[/URL]), but I won't be surprised if I chicken out.

It's probably too ambitious of a goal given that I only know a dozen words in German (excluding the dirty ones hah) and how to sing the German alphabet.

I mean I haven't even mastered basic interactions in German, how the hell do I expect to get through the door and into the party without feeling like an idiot?

But anyways, even if I don't get to check "GB party with pornstar" off my checklist, there's lots of other things I'm sure to be checking off on my to do list thanks to everyone here at ISG.

[QUOTE=PvtMike;1807675]I was thinking about attending the Dec. 7th party with Sexy Susi and Gundula Pervers ([URL]http://www.sexy-susi.info/Seite5n.php[/URL]), but I won't be surprised if I chicken out.

It's probably too ambitious of a goal given that I only know a dozen words in German (excluding the dirty ones hah) and how to sing the German alphabet.

I mean I haven't even mastered basic interactions in German, how the hell do I expect to get through the door and into the party without feeling like an idiot?[/QUOTE]Don't worry about that. Getting in won't be a problem, and once you're inside, both Gundula and Susi's doctor-husband (who's doing the tests at her AO events) speak English.

As for Susi: If she screams "Saaaahne!", that translates as "cream". If she says "Ich vertrockne!" (translates as "I'm drying out!), it means that she wants more cum.

"Schwanz verloren" means "dick lost" and is uttered if said dick slides out of her pussy during fucking. You should then just put it back in.

Done. Have fun!

[QUOTE=PvtMike;1807675]I will be making my first trip to Germany soon (my first trip abroad actually) and I just wanted to thank everyone here for the wealth of information and answers you've provided.

I was thinking about attending the Dec. 7th party with Sexy Susi and Gundula Pervers ([URL]http://www.sexy-susi.info/Seite5n.php[/URL]), but I won't be surprised if I chicken out.[/QUOTE]Is this sure to be AO? I land that day, and if not dreadfully lagged would be interested.

Susi's own parties are always AO. Her doctor-husband does the test on-site and will even give you a written result, which you can use at other parties as well.

[QUOTE=SwingerLover;1809555]Susi's own parties are always AO. Her doctor-husband does the test on-site and will even give you a written result, which you can use at other parties as well.[/QUOTE]Thanks! Realistically though after an intercontinental flight I'll probably be too tired to do all that driving from Frankfurt AND have something left for the gangbang.

I fly out the next day so if I make it to Dietzenbach that evening I'll be doing well.

[QUOTE=SwingerLover;1809555]Susi's own parties are always AO. Her doctor-husband does the test on-site and will even give you a written result, which you can use at other parties as well.[/QUOTE]Susi's own parties are always AO, but when Susi make parties in clubs like Dolce Vita in Wagenfeld and similar, they are normally always covered. Nice to know this to avoid disappointments. For those who like it as sloppy as possible, I recommend to attend to Susi's film parties. They are incredibly great!

[QUOTE=Leifeide;1809857]Susi's own parties are always AO, but when Susi make parties in clubs like Dolce Vita in Wagenfeld and similar, they are normally always covered. [/QUOTE]That's because those parties like in Wagenfeld or in Dorsten are NOT Susi's own parties and are therefore not AO!

Okay, I admit it's hard to tell those parties apart, but it's possible if you know how to read her homepage. Usually her own parties are posted under "Orgien" as well as under "Termine". Everything that shows up under "Orgien" is usually AO with the Doc doing the tests. Everything else is usually covered, unless it's an AO event from another organizer (like Spermabang, GGG or such).

I wanted to have bareback sex with prostitutes long before I actually did. Of course in the 80's and 90's AIDS was thee huge scare, rumor had it at the time that most working girls had it, and you could probably get from just looking at her Vageena!!!

Such was my fear of HIV, after my first trip to Amsterdam in 1991, where I only had covered mechanical sex with Window girls I actually went to my family Doctor for an AIDS test, but he laughingly talked me out of it, stating that he believed even if a man had bareback sex he was very unlikely to become HIV positive, and the fact that I had used condoms meant it was a very remote chance if any.

Over the next few years I had bareback sex with some regular girlfriends, plus lots of covered sex with hoors. Around 1995, I was back in the Dam for a solo trip. I was fucking this gorgeous blonde Window girl doggy style and the condom disintegrated, I got tremendously excited being bare inside the forbidden fruit, I continued to pump away and came deep inside her. She only clocked it when I pulled out. Amazingly she didn't freak out. I remember walking out of there feeling absolutely fantastic, but over the following days and weeks I was shitting a brick that I might have caught the big disease. When I got home I called the STI clinic, they told me to wait 3 months, so lots of nervous waiting, then more nervous waiting for the results after the test. When I finally got the results after a couple of weeks, I was jumping with joy having escaped the Plague. I swore I would be careful from now on, and if a johnny broke ever again, I would change it straight away.

1997, first trip to Thailand enroute to Australia for a year. First thing I did in Bangkok was go for a massage. Tiny little girl, maybe 30 kgs, she started a regular massage but I was so horny, I hopped off the table and stripped her off. Put her down on the table and licked her deep before fucking her bareback deep and hard. She bled all over my dick. Period she said. Fuck I was convinced I had definitely caught AIDS this time. Arrived in Sydney after a few weeks, went to the STI clinic, explained my story. They told me to wait 3 months and come back. More nervous waiting, went for the test after the 3 months and all clear again.

Had a long term relationship from 97 to 2000 , but still fucked lots of Hoors. 2001 spent a year in Czech Republic and Latvia. Did a lot of hoors in both those countries but also some regular girls bareback.

In 2005 I started travelling to Germany for Sex trips. Alot of girls in FKKs let me rub my barecock off their pussy, but not put it inside. I was now very comfortable with the idea of having bareback sex with prostitutes but it was still very taboo to discuss it on this forum.

To be continued.

[QUOTE=Wanking;1813680] Around 1995, I was back in the Dam for a solo trip. I was fucking this gorgeous blonde Window girl doggy style and the condom disintegrated, I got tremendously excited being bare inside the forbidden fruit, I continued to pump away and came deep inside her. She only clocked it when I pulled out. [/QUOTE]So that is why every since that time ho's in the Amsterdam RLD will only ever shag in one position, missionary, so that they can see what the guy is doing. Also, will always leave two fingers between their crotch to hold the condom in place so that the guy ends us shagging the hand instead of the woman. Wanking, you've got a lot to answer for!

Hi all,

Travelling to Germany in January, and was planning to take part to a Spermagames party. Unfortunately, Spermagames has no event planned during my stay. Looking for massive AO gangbangs. As for now, I only see two events (yeah, I know it's still early. But anyway the big AO gangbangs are always organised by the same) organised by gb01 :
- one in Studio 11 - Bremen with Mia Bang (AO / NS) & Jenny Smart (AO).
- one in Hannover with Emila Flower (AO) und Tara Sky (AO).

If I was to choose bewteen these two events (still some hope for another event to come up until then) which one would you advice?

[QUOTE=Gggfan;1815528]Hi all, (still some hope for another event to come up until then) which one would you advice?[/QUOTE]Tuesday 12 Jan. With Bonita de Sax.

Saterday 16 Jan. With Gundula Pervers.

Both partys at Villa Frivol in Wallenhorst.

There will also be 1 or 2 girls more, but both Bonita and Gundula, are great performers.

That is all.

[QUOTE=Gggfan;1815528]Hi all,

Travelling to Germany in January, and was planning to take part to a Spermagames party. Unfortunately, Spermagames has no event planned during my stay. Looking for massive AO gangbangs. As for now, I only see two events (yeah, I know it's still early. But anyway the big AO gangbangs are always organised by the same) organised by gb01 :
- one in Studio 11 - Bremen with Mia Bang (AO / NS) & Jenny Smart (AO).
- one in Hannover with Emila Flower (AO) und Tara Sky (AO).

If I was to choose bewteen these two events (still some hope for another event to come up until then) which one would you advice?[/QUOTE]Approx dates are 20 to 23rd of Jan.

Looks like LL is available on the 14th and 19th.

And a great year of Arsche Lecken in 2016 to all 😁.

Viersen. Dammweg 6.

[URL]http://www.fickanzeiger.com/clubs/index.php?id=1450919864[/URL]

Pics look fake.

Tagesticket 20 Euro.

(Eröffnungsangebot bis 31.12.), warme Speisen, alkoholfreie Getränke und unbegrenzter Aufenthalt inklusive.

Full-Service.

1 x15,2 x30,3 x45.

Discount. Too.

[QUOTE=XXL;1779240]
According to one count, refugees are 13% women & children, 97% males. [/QUOTE]That makes 110%.

[QUOTE=Usel1;1818092]Viersen. Dammweg 6.[/QUOTE]As one can deduce from the ad: This is not a flatrate offer, since the only 20 € is the entrance fee, including drinks. Looks like you'll then have to pay 15 € for each session. There's not a word about gangbang or group action, and whether "Full Service" includes AO remains to be seen. I for one am not interested in driving there to find out, especially since the pics are propably fake.

Didn't see an F39 thread, mods feel free to move this post.

Made my way from Frankfurt to Dusseldorf early this morning, pulled in at 9 am, got to the station by 11:15 and then took a 12 e taxi to the club.

First impression was that F39 is much larger than Dietz, maybe twice the size? Weirdly most of the couches are facing forward (like a movie theater), so it's more difficult to check everyone out like you can do at Dietz.

Yup. There are side couches, but that's awkward too. Love the facilities. Steam room, sauna, foot bath, massage. The food was a bit better, the ambiance a bit worse (to me).

Only had one large screen of porn in main room, one in kino, and one in side room. I prefer the. Where all around are screens. I didn't understand the kino bit. Gangbanging? All day all I saw is one older dude who went in there to play with his junk and see if anyone was watching him play with his junk. And then a few other guys sleeping.

In general F39 had an older crowd, and less customers than the. Did.

Girls.

I thought the. Has a better lineup currently. I think F39 has more girls (maybe 5+ more?) but there were a few more chunkier girls as well, which sort of brought the entire aesthetic down.

There were 4 super slim hotties (bodies not faces) but this time I didn't go for any of them. Instead took the thicker girls (not fat. But well, maybe fat. Ha). Wasn't looking for my dream girl, just fun girls interested in giving good service.

Three slightly annoying issues:

1) took one girl who said she does anal (on picture too). Haven't done it in 20+ years (not my kink) but thought. When in Rome. When we actually got down to it she said 'stop' and reached in her bag and pulled out a condom, told me it 'feels better this way'.

Ha. I told her I would cum on her back. And she said. No, a condom for anal because 'bacteria'. Her body so whatever, respect that. No problem just fucking her pussy and CIP. However I had gone for 30 min instead of 20 just for the anal. So she got an additional 20 out of me.

2) 20 min for 30 e vs 30 min at the. Makes a huge difference. 20 min means clock watching, 30 min means relaxed (to me). Why it jumps to 50 e for 30 min I have no idea. Logically it should be 45 e or a discount (40 e) - shrug.

3) at the. When finished (even before the 30 min) was free to leave. But here the girls all wanted to stay for the full allotted time, said it was a 'problem for them' if they came out early? Sort of boring once your done to sit there play when you're dying for some water and a shower.

I would detail the 5 I shagged today but really it's the same scenario and service each and every time.

- Sit on couch, blah blah, kiss, BJ.

- Move to room eat pussy, BJ, fuck, position, position, first position. Cross.

- kiss, walk to locker, pay, kiss, look fondly at each other.

- shower, sit on couch wait for refractory period to end and pick next victim while you watch the gal you just shagged get taken off by next bloke.

Overall it was such an excellent experience, I have nothing terribly negative to say. I've plumbed 15 girls in 3 days so I'm just getting a little numb, not to mention the endless hours spent watching naked women and porno TV.

It's like putting the kid in closet with carton of cigarettes.

Will never hit the RLD again, who wants to fuck with the killer stairs, bad attitudes, thugs, druggies, and more expensive prices (for BB) when you can relax in a club and have it all.

Left early today (6 pm) just cause had enough boom boom. Can't believe that clubs like this exist and work so hard to give great service. F39 is excellent.

[QUOTE=Usel1;1818092]Viersen. Dammweg 6.

[URL]http://www.fickanzeiger.com/clubs/index.php?id=1450919864[/URL]

Pics look fake.

Tagesticket 20 Euro.

(Erffnungsangebot bis 31.12.), warme Speisen, alkoholfreie Getrnke und unbegrenzter Aufenthalt inklusive.

Full-Service.

1 x15,2 x30,3 x45.

Discount. Too.[/QUOTE]Only 15 E a session? I would worry that this is close to slavery.

Another excellent TR Ghostluv!

Since you overpaid at Dietz, I assume the ridiculous prices of 50€ for thirty min didn't bother you? Didn't bother when they bumped up the price to 40€ & wouldn't bother now. Nothing there worth 40€ & now they raise it to 50€ Just boggles the mind.

Hey GLuv,

It's great to get a fresh perspective from a new set of eyes rather than from some on here who's vision may have become clouded because they have become attached to particular girls or clubs and so are no longer able to see things objectively. My comments below in bold.

[QUOTE=GhostLuv;1818810]Didn't see an F39 thread, mods feel free to move this post.
[B]You didn't see a F39 thread even though F39 is an FKK club and has it's own thread in the FKK section. You did however see 5 'super hot' women at Dietz.[/B]

Weirdly most of the couches are facing forward (like a movie theater), so it's more difficult to check everyone out like you can do at Dietz. Yup. There are side couches, but that's awkward too. [B]
Strange, because Dietz has banks of seats in the middle with their backs to each other which makes it difficult to see the rest of the club. Also the club is so dark that unless you are sitting at the adjacent couch you are not able to see what is happening in detail at any other couch let alone the shadows near the back. F39 is relatively brightly lit and if you sit on the side couches particularly on the raised bank to the right as you walk in the main room then you can get a panoramic view everywhere else in the club with the exception of the Kino. F39 also has glass walls so you can also see into the reception area from the main room.[/B]

Love the facilities. Steam room, sauna, foot bath, massage. The food was a bit better, the ambiance a bit worse (to me).[B]
Been to this place several times but never enquired about a massage. Was it given by some thick, hairy forearmed Turkish guy?[/B]

Only had one large screen of porn in main room, one in kino, and one in side room. I prefer the. Where all around are screens. I didn't understand the kino bit. Gangbanging? All day all I saw is one older dude who went in there to play with his junk and see if anyone was watching him play with his junk. And then a few other guys sleeping...[/QUOTE]Again a valuable trip report and I hope that you will take my comments above in good spirit.

Thanks for the F39 report, should be moved to here: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2608-FKK-Club-Freudenbergstr-39[/URL].

Does anyone know of any New Years Eve or Sylvester / Silvester AO parties that are happening on 31 December?

Or if any red carpet, AO gangbang or swinger clubs will be open at midnight that day?

Would dearly love to bare bang the new year in especially if this might be the last full year before any new laws come into force, which may mean that this year is the last where it is possible to celebrate the new year in this sort of fashion.

[QUOTE=Dreams;1818990]Only 15 E a session? I would worry that this is close to slavery.[/QUOTE]Why? Before FunPark was an all-you-can-fuck flatrate Club, where you could fuck 6-8 women as often as possible for 80 € during at least 10 hours, snacks and drinks included. If I convert the value of my FunPark parties to the current prices, then the price has more than doubled. Thanks, bot no thanks! Even Spermagames parties would be cheaper now.

This new concept in Viersen is only good for guys who go there for a quick poke or two. For me it's not acceptable, also bearing in mind the quality of club, women and food. Compared to before, this place is now ridiculously overprized.

The massage guy has been there since they re-opened. Located in the far back rooms. There's a complete menu with prices. He walks around the club with a white shirt with massage in red on the back.

I suppose only Freude39 is on.

Romantika, Arabella, Villa Venus, Verena closed till, may be, 11th January?

Grimberg? Any news'.

Thanks a lot for any sure info.

[QUOTE=Gggfan;1815528]Hi all,

Travelling to Germany in January, and was planning to take part to a Spermagames party. Unfortunately, Spermagames has no event planned during my stay. Looking for massive AO gangbangs. As for now, I only see two events (yeah, I know it's still early. But anyway the big AO gangbangs are always organised by the same) organised by gb01 :
- one in Studio 11 - Bremen with Mia Bang (AO / NS) & Jenny Smart (AO).
- one in Hannover with Emila Flower (AO) und Tara Sky (AO).
If I was to choose bewteen these two events (still some hope for another event to come up until then) which one would you advice?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SwingerLover;1820660]THU 21st 16-19:00: Exclusive AO / Safe Gangbang event with attractive blonde Devota (42,1 m64,66 kg, 75 F cups) in a hotel suite in Dusseldorf. http://www.fickanzeiger.com/sexparty...?id=1451397065.
THU 21st 16-20:00: AO Filmparty with Melanie Moon at Villa am See in Kaiserslautern for 45 + 20 for HIV-test. http://melaniemoon.net/Seite1001/Events-amp;-Termine.
THU 21st 19-23:00: Filmed "I'll be back" mandatory-AO gangbang party with Rinata near Dortmund for 50 , including food & drinks. http://gang-bang-party.com/com/2016/...ilmproduktion/.
SAT 23rd 19-22:00: AO Gangbang with "marijana1967" (magicmarijana) at Blue Movie, 6 kaufhaus at Hochstr. 11 in 47798 Krefeld for free, except the around 8 entrance fee to the Kino. http://www.eronity.com/event.php?id=7161&rid=00364521.[/QUOTE]What a shame! My available dates happen to be just when there are no Spermagames parties. Available 20 & 21 of Jan. (and 23 only if great opportunity).

The events listed for those dates are not top notch (unless I am mistaking) considering that I fancy the kind of parties organised by Spermagames (several girls, a lot of sperm / creampie, a fair amount of time. And no, 19th is not an option). There are two events organised by gb01, but not sure of the type of event nor the quality (what is gb01 production?

- AO / Safe Produktion I'm Studio 11 mit 2 Top Girls. Mia Bang (AO / NS) & Jenny Smart (AO) : [URL]http://www.p-p-p.tv/details_event.php?id=835[/URL].

- Hannover wir kommen mit 2 Top Girls mit Emila Flower (AO) und Tara Sky (AO) : [URL]http://www.p-p-p.tv/details_event.php?id=834[/URL]

[QUOTE=Usel1;1820793]I suppose only Freude39 is on.

Romantika, Arabella, Villa Venus, Verena closed till, may be, 11th January?

Grimberg? Any news'.

Thanks a lot for any sure info.[/QUOTE]Yeaterday only 13 girls present in F39, and full of men. Probably this was even better then in other clubs. Remmeber guys, between end of December and mid of January it is NO good time to visit a club, exceptions (like in Zurich) aside, and if you don't care to be in a gay club.

[QUOTE=VitoCorleone;1819465]The massage guy has been there since they re-opened. Located in the far back rooms. There's a complete menu with prices. He walks around the club with a white shirt with massage in red on the back.[/QUOTE]Indeed, and sometimes it is a massage lady instead!

[QUOTE=Gggfan;1820815]What a shame! My available dates happen to be just when there are no Spermagames parties. Available 20 & 21 of Jan. (and 23 only if great opportunity).

The events listed for those dates are not top notch (unless I am mistaking) considering that I fancy the kind of parties organised by Spermagames (several girls, a lot of sperm / creampie, a fair amount of time. And no, 19th is not an option). There are two events organised by gb01, but not sure of the type of event nor the quality (what is gb01 production?

- AO / Safe Produktion I'm Studio 11 mit 2 Top Girls. Mia Bang (AO / NS) & Jenny Smart (AO) : [URL]http://www.p-p-p.tv/details_event.php?id=835[/URL].

- Hannover wir kommen mit 2 Top Girls mit Emila Flower (AO) und Tara Sky (AO) : [URL]http://www.p-p-p.tv/details_event.php?id=834[/URL][/QUOTE]In my opinion the GB01 parties are much better then of SG (too many men and many "old" girls, which some men on this forum seem to like, but hey, everybody his own taste).

GB01 is more relaxed, don't expect big crowds, but a smaller group of men. 2 of the 4 girls you mention I know: Elina Flower is ok (but has siliconen) and Tara Sky is super! Jenny and Mia are relatively new, but look very good. Performance of almost all GB01 girls is good, so depending on your taste you can choose. Pity you can make it the day before where all 4 girls are present!

That's too bad that your dates are just during the time when there's neither a Spermagames nor a Spermabang event. Both GB01 events seem to be happening simultaneously and each with 2 AO women, which I don't quite understand. Why don't they do a 4-women party at the same place instead?

The only difference between the 2 events (different women aside) could be that the party in Hannover might not be filmed, whereas the 'production' at Sudio 11 in Stuhr will definitely be filmed.

Aside from all that, you can only hope that something else will show up until the 20th, but I think that chances of getting a party with more than 2 women are slim. You can keep an eye on Villa Frivol during the next weeks: [URL]http://gb-porn.de/index.php/events[/URL].

I'm pretty certain that some of the chicks in MG, the or Viersen will do an AO party somewhere between the 20th and 23rd as well, but those are usually advertised at short notice, and I seriously doubt that those would be your taste if you are accustomed to Spermagames parties.

Thanks to you both Maxime and SwingerLover.

[QUOTE=SwingerLover;1821037]That's too bad that your dates are just during the time when there's neither a Spermagames nor a Spermabang event. Both GB01 events seem to be happening simultaneously and each with 2 AO women, which I don't quite understand. Why don't they do a 4-women party at the same place instead?
The only difference between the 2 events (different women aside) could be that the party in Hannover might not be filmed, whereas the 'production' at Sudio 11 in Stuhr will definitely be filmed.[/QUOTE]Yes, weird that they launch two different parties on the same day.

The production being filmed and the line-up would push me to choose the production at Studio 11 in Stuhr.

[QUOTE=Maxime;1821033]Elina Flower is ok (but has siliconen) and Tara Sky is super! Jenny and Mia are relatively new, but look very good. Performance of almost all GB01 girls is good, so depending on your taste you can choose. Pity you can make it the day before where all 4 girls are present![/QUOTE]Jenny Smart did a strong appearance on a GGG title recently released (even if I am not a big fan of the GGG prods they shoot nowadays).

[QUOTE=SwingerLover;1821037]Aside from all that, you can only hope that something else will show up until the 20th, but I think that chances of getting a party with more than 2 women are slim. You can keep an eye on Villa Frivol during the next weeks: [URL]http://gb-porn.de/index.php/events[/URL].
I'm pretty certain that some of the chicks in MG, the or Viersen will do an AO party somewhere between the 20th and 23rd as well, but those are usually advertised at short notice, and I seriously doubt that those would be your taste if you are accustomed to Spermagames parties.[/QUOTE]I will keep an eye on the calendar and the events that might show up, but I stated I am accustomed to Spermagames parties, therefore I am looking for something similar in terms of quality.

[QUOTE=Maxime;1821033]In my opinion the GB01 parties are much better then of SG (too many men and many "old" girls, which some men on this forum seem to like, but hey, everybody his own taste).[/QUOTE]I attended both GB01 and Spermagames. To be honest I liked both. Lately my schedule only allowed me to take part to SpermaGames.

The GB01 event on the 20th seems to be different as it is a "production" (as opposed to a gangbang / party with 3+ girls) and I do not know what to expect. I mean I go to these events for AO gangbangs, not for single porn scenes with 1 girls and 3/4 guys.

[QUOTE=Maxime;1821030]Yeaterday only 13 girls present in F39, and full of men. Probably this was even better then in other clubs. Remmeber guys, between end of December and mid of January it is NO good time to visit a club, exceptions (like in Zurich) aside, and if you don't care to be in a gay club.

Indeed, and sometimes it is a massage lady instead![/QUOTE]There's a lady now? Haven't been there since August.

At gggfan: be aware: Elina Flower is replaced by Kadisha Latin on the coming GB01 parties, which seems an improvement!

[QUOTE=SwingerLover;1821037]Aside from all that, you can only hope that something else will show up until the 20th, but I think that chances of getting a party with more than 2 women are slim. You can keep an eye on Villa Frivol during the next weeks: [URL]http://gb-porn.de/index.php/events[/URL].[/QUOTE]Well, the dates for Villa Frivol are on their website now, so you could consider going there on SAT 23rd for the party with Lulu & Bonita de Sax.

[QUOTE=SwingerLover;1823216]Well, the dates for Villa Frivol are on their website now, so you could consider going there on SAT 23rd for the party with Lulu & Bonita de Sax.[/QUOTE]There is also a party with Lulu and "ihre Freundin" the 20 from 3 pm to 7 pm.

Never attended a Villa Frivol party, so do not know what to expect. The few reports rate this venue and the organisers rather poorly.

Anyway Thanks SwingerLover!

As for the gb01 event, it says:

[QUOTE]Gedreht werden an dem Tag viele geile Porno Szenen (vielleicht mal ein dreier oder ne Bukkake) . Bei dieser Veranstaltung handelt es sich nicht um keine Gangbang oder Sexparty![/QUOTE]Here again, do not know what to expect.

Maybe my best for now would be gb01 event with Kadisha Latin and Tara Sky.

Will see in the coming days before making a decision.

Hi guys,

Couldn't find a proper thread about Frankfurt?

Is there a club worth to visit near Frankfurt? I am looking for a gangbang type party place with flat rate.

[QUOTE=Gggfan;1823499]As for the gb01 event, it says:

Here again, do not know what to expect.

Maybe my best for now would be gb01 event with Kadisha Latin and Tara Sky.

Will see in the coming days before making a decision.[/QUOTE]About GB01: this quote is there for LEGAL reasons, there was some issue with German (local / city) government, but since now officially it is a film production, NOT a GB, it seems legally (more then) ok. Expect hoewever the same as on SG parties (but much less crowded!) and SS (but with no filming of faces, etc).

Tara Sky is super, Kadisha I don't know, but looks promising.

[QUOTE=Gggfan;1823499]Never attended a Villa Frivol party, so do not know what to expect. The few reports rate this venue and the organisers rather poorly.
[/QUOTE]I was a bit reluctant to recommend Villa Frivol to you, but it seems as if there are no other options so far.

Maxime is correct about GB01 posting this for legal reasons. Apparently, the local government of the community of Stuhr has nothing better to do than harass GB Media with bureaucratic nonsense. GB Media has an approval to use Studio 11 for film production, but not for commercial gangbang parties, hence they do only film productions at Studio 11 and explicitly state at in the announcement for each event they have in Stuhr. (There's no such problem in Hamburg, Hannover or whereever else they do parties.) The text "Gedreht werden an dem Tag viele geile Porno Szenen (vielleicht mal ein dreier oder ne Bukkake) . Bei dieser Veranstaltung handelt es sich nicht um keine Gangbang oder Sexparty!" you posted translates as "On this day, many cool porn scenes are shot (maybe also a threesome or a Bukkake). Regarding this Event, it's not a matter of gangbang or sexparty!

Maybe some more ads show up during next week. I expect another gangbang with Spermamaus Ela in Bergheim (west of Cologne) next week, just like the one she's having this coming Tuesday.

[QUOTE=SergeantMajor;1823592]Hi guys,

Couldn't find a proper thread about Frankfurt?

Is there a club worth to visit near Frankfurt? I am looking for a gangbang type party place with flat rate.[/QUOTE]There is a "Frankfurt" thread in the regular "Germany" Forum.

There's no AO gangbang type party place with flat rate in the Frankfurt region. You will either have to do without AO or without flat rate.

The only exception are the occasional events hosted by Spermagames or other organizers; you'll find some of those in my lists in the Bareback AO Party Calendar thread. (Like Sexy-Susi's party next MON and the Spermagames party next THU, both at Swingerclub LoveLounge in Mörfelden.).

I am in Berlin today and tomorrow. Any advice where I can find alles ohne?

[QUOTE=Pv118;1824125]I am in Berlin today and tomorrow. Any advice where I can find alles ohne?[/QUOTE]Street girls or cheap kinos.

Hello all,

Thank you for having this forum. I was able to have a great time from this website. Couple years back I was in Germany, I visited Angelique's, and I had a wonderful time with younger girls in there. I am not able to access their website, does this place no longer exist?

Thanks again!

[QUOTE=Bbfsonly;1827885]Hello all,

Thank you for having this forum. I was able to have a great time from this website. Couple years back I was in Germany, I visited Angelique's, and I had a wonderful time with younger girls in there. I am not able to access their website, does this place no longer exist?

Thanks again![/QUOTE]Some of those girls moved to la Luna in Moers. More info in the CLL thread.

[QUOTE=Bbfsonly;1827885]Hello all,

Thank you for having this forum. I was able to have a great time from this website. Couple years back I was in Germany, I visited Angelique's, and I had a wonderful time with younger girls in there. I am not able to access their website, does this place no longer exist?

Thanks again![/QUOTE]Moved to La Luna in Moers. Of course the workers are largely new since your time.

Hello fellow AO mongers,

Long-time lurker, first-time poster.

While visiting Germany, I've had some good experiences in the past with gangbang-style events, like GB01.

However, I'm interested to explore more private AO encounters and see what is possible out there.

I've seen some sporadic reports about AO-possible RLD women in Frankfurt and the NRW region. However, I worry about planning a long trip around a "maybe" activity. The lack of mutual testing also worries me just a little bit, but not enough to shy away completely.

My question is this: are there any agencies or independent women that might do outcall, 1:1 AO appointments, with some mutual testing exchange?

It seems really tricky to figure out what is possible by searching online, due to the legal climate.

If this doesn't exist, it seems like a fun market opportunity for the enterprising mind.

[QUOTE=JohnBallmain;1828532]Hello fellow AO mongers,

Long-time lurker, first-time poster.

While visiting Germany, I've had some good experiences in the past with gangbang-style events, like GB01.

However, I'm interested to explore more private AO encounters and see what is possible out there.

I've seen some sporadic reports about AO-possible RLD women in Frankfurt and the NRW region. However, I worry about planning a long trip around a "maybe" activity. The lack of mutual testing also worries me just a little bit, but not enough to shy away completely.

My question is this: are there any agencies or independent women that might do outcall, 1:1 AO appointments, with some mutual testing exchange?

It seems really tricky to figure out what is possible by searching online, due to the legal climate.

If this doesn't exist, it seems like a fun market opportunity for the enterprising mind.[/QUOTE]Some of the GB01 (and other AO party) girls are also available for 1-1 bookings, google their names, find their website and see that you can book them for 1-1 sessions. Most of them will do AO WHEN you have a recent test.

[QUOTE=JohnBallmain;1828532]
It seems really tricky to figure out what is possible by searching online, due to the legal climate.[/QUOTE]What legal climate?

You can find a lot of AO women for 1-on-1 here: [URL]http://www.megalatte.com/ao-sexkontakte/[/URL] [URL]http://www.fickanzeiger.com/girlfriend-sex/index.php[/URL].

Some also demand an HIV-test, but you have to check the ads one by one for that info. You might also find some in the couples section, like here: [URL]http://www.megalatte.com/paar-sucht/[/URL].

Or this one, demanding a Schnelltest: [URL]http://www.fickanzeiger.com/paar-sucht/index.php?id=1452832206[/URL].

For private encounters, you could give Eronity a try: [URL]http://www.eronity.com/join.php?rid=00364521[/URL].

Hi,

I live in Australia and want to come to Germany on a fuck fest holiday. I am into AO gangbangs and especially like fat ladies. Does anyone know the best place to stay and go to. I want to fuck every day and night. I want to go to a filmed AO party too but really want to fuck lots of fat German ladies bareback.

[QUOTE=SwingerLover;1840729]I received word from Belgian Mr. Svine who was in Viersen yesterday and despite being the only customer was treated like crap. Therefore:
BLACKLIST: WED 17th-SAT 20th 11-22:00: AO Creampie Fuck marathon with Elena, Maya, Melissa & Hlya at EroticLounge, Dammweg 6 in 41747 Viersen for 70 , 3 hours for 50 . [URL]http://www.fickpartys.net/fick-marathon-mom-1702-bis-2002-viersen[/URL].
I recommed to stay away from this so-called EroticLounge. [/QUOTE]Schweinhund, so we are all expected to stay away from this place just on the basis of some unprinted, uncertified comment from some unknown 'friend of a friend' who isn't even a member of this board?

I prefer to read reports from genuine members of this board before making up my mind about a place. Also preferably from a variety of different posters because we all know that some posters have deep affectations for particular places.

Also where is the consistency?

When Vito commented a month ago that the women at the erotic lounge were "Not worth 15 e if it was all inclusive for 10 hrs" he was corrected.

[QUOTE=SwingerLover;1828571]That's a bit steep. Maja is a really good looking girl. Both her and Sidni (actually: Sindi or Cindy) are great fucks and were a lot of fun at my one party I had with them so far (in MG). Fucking Elena and Desi was a lot of fun too in the past. [/QUOTE]As it happens both Elena and Maja (Maya) are appearing at this weekends party which has now been blacklisted (see first quote above).

So the same women at erotic lounge who are vigorously defended one month are categorically blacklisted the next?

Also when I made the effort a few weeks ago to find and post some photos of the women in erotic lounge we were told.

[QUOTE=SwingerLover;1828571]Myrrh's pictures are a bit off base here, because none of those chicks seem to be at EroticLounge Viersen anymore. [/QUOTE]But yet three of the women whose photos I published back then, Elena, Maja and Melissa, are three of the four women who are appearing at this weekend's party.

But be that as it may, should we be telling anyone else where they should or shouldn't go?

I have written critical posts in the past about some clubs like Spermagames (or should that be SwingerLoverGames?) and Spermabang and have been heavily criticised that my comments are unfair. Didn't I realise that these girls are "flesh and blood" and if I criticized them then they might stop doing the parties. Yet here we are being told that erotic lounge is now blacklisted and we are not to go there.

FunPark was based at the same venue where Erotic Lounge is now and it was criticized even though it was the only flat-rate AO club around at the time. Then when it was gone it was missed.

[QUOTE=Wanking;1711801]Its a shame but maybe Funpark will come around again.[/QUOTE]Now we have Erotic Lounge which has the same, rare, concept of AO sex all day with any of the girls for an amazingly low flat rate price of 69 euros. But having waited many months for a replacement for FunPark we are now being told it is blacklisted.

Yes, I tend to give my opinions on the appearance and the performances of the girls and the clubs. But only on the same basis like anyone else is entitled to give their opinions, good or bad. Personally I would never command anyone to go or not to go to a particular club. After all, who am I to dicktate to anybody what they should or shouldn't do with their time or hard-earned money?

I suppose if Belgian Mr. Svine was the only customer, its not a surprise he was treated like crap. Hoors are never happy when no money comes in.

I have looking at this forum sporadically and I haven't visited since September 2014. From reading the various posts, it seems like the authorities are cracking down on bareback sex. I saw a reference to a new law starting in 2017. I also see that many of the parties are private which could be an issue for me as I don't speak German, etc. And I may have trouble communicating with them. Three, four or five years ago, I would just show up at a party at La Luna or Evas / Club Tabulose and have a great time. So are the good times coming to an end? It seems like I better get over there as soon as possible. Any thoughts?

[QUOTE=Millenia;1842294]I have looking at this forum sporadically and I haven't visited since September 2014. From reading the various posts, it seems like the authorities are cracking down on bareback sex. I saw a reference to a new law starting in 2017. I also see that many of the parties are private which could be an issue for me as I don't speak German, etc. And I may have trouble communicating with them. Three, four or five years ago, I would just show up at a party at La Luna or Evas / Club Tabulose and have a great time. So are the good times coming to an end? It seems like I better get over there as soon as possible. Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]AO sex is still alive & kicking, but the all inclusive parties seem to disappear like newspaper companies.

Luna still hosts a handful of GBs a year & many others but the days of all inclusive parties every Mon. & Fri. Are long gone. Ewa's team tabulose was great when the hot younger polish / Lithuania (whatever her name is) chick was there. Even when Ewa moved to tonisvorst (sp?) their was a really cute German gal Kathi who was off the hook! Earth shattering sessions!

Now Ewa is solo in the same tonisvorst location. A while back those same AO laws were supposed to take effect last month. If I remember correctly, you do not mind splashing around in everyone's sauce so best to keep track of SL's calendar.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1841690]Schweinhund, so we are all expected to stay away from this place just on the basis of some unprinted, uncertified comment from some unknown 'friend of a friend' who isn't even a member of this board?

I prefer to read reports from genuine members of this board before making up my mind about a place. Also preferably from a variety of different posters because we all know that some posters have deep affectations for particular places.

Also where is the consistency?

When Vito commented a month ago that the women at the erotic lounge were "Not worth 15 e if it was all inclusive for 10 hrs" he was corrected.

As it happens both Elena and Maja (Maya) are appearing at this weekends party which has now been blacklisted (see first quote above).

So the same women at erotic lounge who are vigorously defended one month are categorically blacklisted the next?..[/QUOTE]Seems like Swinger Lover is letting his moderator status get to his head. I had some opinions about possible moderator abuse & it seems like he refuses to let my post be. Seems like anyone who doesn't agree with him or is brutally honest with the looks of his favorite girls then he deletes them.

I guess its only a matter of time before he gets me booted out of ISG.

[QUOTE=VitoCorleone;1842510]AOAre long gone. Ewa's team tabulose was great when the hot younger polish / Lithuania (whatever her name is) chick was there. [/QUOTE]This was Nadine.

She also was my favorite in those days although I remember at first she didn't do ao. The last 2 years she did.

Does someone know she is still working these days??

[QUOTE=Seivel;1842810]This was Nadine.

She also was my favorite in those days although I remember at first she didn't do ao. The last 2 years she did.

Does someone know she is still working these days??[/QUOTE]Yes. That's her name! Wow! It was heaven inside her! I would also like to know where she's currently working!

[QUOTE=Wanking;1842234]I suppose if Belgian Mr. Svine was the only customer, its not a surprise he was treated like crap. Hoors are never happy when no money comes in.[/QUOTE]Sure, but that's no excuse, especially when it's a regular customer. You know this guy too, I'm positive that you have met him either in Krefeld, Kerpen or Viersen. The girls call him "Bonbon" since after he started handing out sweets to them.

The chicks who stiffed him were none of the forementioned like Maja, Elena etc; the advertising was only half-true as well.

[QUOTE=Millenia;1842294] it seems like the authorities are cracking down on bareback sex.[/QUOTE]Based on what? There is no law. And I'm certain that new planned so-called "prostitutes-protection-law" will blow up in Küstenbarbie's face like no law has blown up in anybody's face in Germany since 1945. Especially BECAUSE of this 'condom duty'. But I'm not getting into that any further before I get a hint that this 'law' will actually get passed.

[QUOTE=VitoCorleone;1842739]Seems like Swinger Lover is letting his moderator status get to his head. I had some opinions about possible moderator abuse & it seems like he refuses to let my post be. [/QUOTE]What the fuck?

I don't recall ever deleting any of your posts. Aside from some expired or double-posted (and therefore at that point irrelevant) posts of my own in the Calendar thread and the 4 insulting reports from CeeJay1 (while keeping most of the rest of his reports alive in my quotes) and Myrrh, I recall only 2 more reports I deleted at all. One was from Maxime and had contained some info on Trannies (in violation of forum rules) and the other was from Wanking, involving a Copyright violation because of a picture he had posted. In both cases I contacted them by PN and both of them had agreed with my decision.

Anything else from you, Vito, that might have been deleted was not deleted by me. If it's gone, then it was Jackson's or some other Admin's doing.

I have no intention to get you, Vito, booted off the forum; I see no reason for it, so I don't know from where you got this idea.

But I will open a bottle of bubbly if Jackson should decide to kick Myrrh off the forum!

And if people here are not happy about the way I'm handling things, then they're welcome to post party lists all by themselves!

Hello all!

I was wondering if some of you know what happened to some of my favorite AO sperm hole.

I don't see anymore Laurateen or Kitty (from Spermagames a cute redhead).

Do you know if they are still on the market? A way to contact her for a private AO session or whatever?

Many thanks!

L

Of course it is nice to log on here and see a list of events laid out for you, but what many guys don't seem to appreciate is that virtually all of the AO events mentioned in the 'Bareback AO Party Calendar' thread derive from just a handful of websites.

These include:

Megalatte.

Hotpartys.

Fickanzeiger.

Eronity.

If you look through a few pages of the thread then you can compile a full list. These sites have been around for ages although there was a fairly new one recently:

Fickpartys.

Thanks to Optimist for pointing that one out!

If an event is mentioned in one then, more often than not, they will be mentioned in the others so you don't necessarily have to read all of them all the time. If you open them using google chrome or use google translate or some other translation engine then you will get a good enough translation.

What I do is save these on my smartphone so I can get updates in real time and therefore not have to rely on updates on here.

There are also some events that never appear in the calendar thread because they are 'out of favor' or it has been arbitrarily decided that they should be blacklisted based on some criteria or the other.

So have a look at these websites and put yourself in control!

[QUOTE=SwingerLover;1842942]What the fuck?

I don't recall ever deleting any of your posts. Aside from some expired or double-posted (and therefore at that point irrelevant) posts of my own in the Calendar thread and the 4 insulting reports from CeeJay1 (while keeping most of the rest of his reports alive in my quotes) and Myrrh, I recall only 2 more reports I deleted at all. One was from Maxime and had contained some info on Trannies (in violation of forum rules) and the other was from Wanking, involving a Copyright violation because of a picture he had posted. In both cases I contacted them by PN and both of them had agreed with my decision.

Anything else from you, Vito, that might have been deleted was not deleted by me. If it's gone, then it was Jackson's or some other Admin's doing.

I have no intention to get you, Vito, booted off the forum; I see no reason for it, so I don't know from where you got this idea.

But I will open a bottle of bubbly if Jackson should decide to kick Myrrh off the forum!

And if people here are not happy about the way I'm handling things, then they're welcome to post party lists all by themselves![/QUOTE]Relax Swinger! I'm just giving you a hard time.

Is Myrrh really that bad? I don't think I ever met the guy & I admit he can be brutally honest in his descriptions of the ladies. He has a really sharp eye & a special ability to find faults in all the women I've banged at the AO clubs. I honestly do not remember reading anything positive about any of his club visits. He does provide a different perspective on the clubs & somewhat entertaining.

Like I mentioned in the post that was never posted, I do enjoy reading your trip reports & appreciate your calendar lists.

Keep up the great work Swinger!

[QUOTE=Larrybambel;1842952]Hello all!

I was wondering if some of you know what happened to some of my favorite AO sperm hole.

I don't see anymore Laurateen or Kitty (from Spermagames a cute redhead).

Do you know if they are still on the market? A way to contact her for a private AO session or whatever?

Many thanks!

L[/QUOTE]I love those girls myself and have been wondering about the same. To my knowledge the girls are not very active any longer, but I don't think they have left the scene quite yet. You will find them on My Dirty Hobby. Kitty under the name xHellokitty.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1843203]Of course it is nice to log on here and see a list of events laid out for you, but what many guys don't seem to appreciate is that virtually all of the AO events mentioned in the 'Bareback AO Party Calendar' thread derive from just a handful of websites.

These include:

Megalatte.

Hotpartys.

Fickanzeiger.

Eronity.

If you look through a few pages of the thread then you can compile a full list. These sites have been around for ages although there was a fairly new one recently:..[/QUOTE]Why do you suggest everyone does those searches themselves when someone, namely, SL, does it for us?

[QUOTE=Larrybambel;1842952]I don't see anymore Laurateen or Kitty (from Spermagames a cute redhead).[/QUOTE]I've seen no lifesigns from either of them for months. Kitty also works under the name "Dana", but nothing here either.

Rumour has it that Laura Teen had been pregnant. If so, then it would explain why her last appearance at a Spermagames movie shooting was with condoms only. Since that was about a year ago, the child should be born by now (provided that the rumour was true). May she'll pick up AO gangbanging again?

[QUOTE=VitoCorleone;1843217]Is Myrrh really that bad? I don't think I ever met the guy & I admit he can be brutally honest in his descriptions of the ladies.[/QUOTE]There is a line between being brutally honest and criminally insulting! Myrrh crosses it regularly.

There's a difference between stating facts and posting opinions. When it comes to opinions, there's also a difference in taste involved. If a woman isn't to someone's liking, then he should write so, likewise if he dosen't like the performance. Harsh tones are sometimes even warranted. But insulting women just because someone doesn't like their looks is not acceptable. Especially if that 'someone' doesn't even go near that woman BECAUSE of the way she looks and has therefore no foundation to comment on performance. (Which performance in a certain case has become better and better with almost every party!

And if I wouldn't waste so much time commenting on Myrrh's Bullshit (and the involved fallout) and on comments about a non-existing law that still doesn't even exist as a real draft law, I might find some time again to write a party report. Because ALL Spermagames parties in MÖare and KA I've been to this year have been very good to excellent.

[QUOTE=SwingerLover;1840729]I received word from Belgian Mr. Svine who was in Viersen yesterday and despite being the only customer was treated like crap. Therefore:

BLACKLIST: WED 17th-SAT 20th 11-22:00: AO Creampie Fuck marathon with Elena, Maya, Melissa & Hlya at EroticLounge, Dammweg 6 in 41747 Viersen for 70 , 3 hours for 50 . [URL]http://www.fickpartys.net/fick-marathon-mom-1702-bis-2002-viersen[/URL].

I recommed to stay away from this so-called EroticLounge.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=SwingerLover;1842942]The chicks who stiffed him were none of the forementioned like Maja, Elena etc[/QUOTE]So, you recommended everyone to stay away and to completely Blacklist this venue which starred Elena, Maja, Melissa but then you reveal some days later that Maja, Elena etc were not in fact the ones responsible for your Belgian friend's unhappiness.

But of course if you blacklist the whole venue, which the 'good' girls Maja, Elena etc work from, then these girls are going to suffer in exactly the same way as those nameless 'bad' women who did actually make your Belgian friend unhappy?

SW and Myrhh LOL.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_LMAqoqaWY[/URL]

Fighting may be fun for some but I don't want either Myrrh or SL taken apart. Both do really useful work, and are sometimes over opinionated and over forceful (I bet some members will hate equally find me irritating).

I would ask both to continue posting and hopefully recognise the contribution made by the other.

I can see Myrrh ' s point about doing our own research, and not just relying on SL's hard work (which I think is very useful), and I can see why SL is upset at the vehemence with which Myrrh expresses it. It seems to me that both are right.

I have been erotic lounge on a Saturday about month ago. It is typical partytreff setup. I did not notice any girl do AO, fucking require condom. Girls try to make you cum quickly. I got painfully hand job because I cannot cum quickly. After first round, I left. After talking the manager, I get charged for two hours, 39.99 and get some money back. Thank for them for refund.

[QUOTE=SwingerLover;1843428]I've seen no lifesigns from either of them for months. Kitty also works under the name "Dana", but nothing here either.

Rumour has it that Laura Teen had been pregnant. If so, then it would explain why her last appearance at a Spermagames movie shooting was with condoms only. Since that was about a year ago, the child should be born by now (provided that the rumour was true). May she'll pick up AO gangbanging again?
[/QUOTE]So, if there is a way to contact Kitty / xHelloKitty / Dana for an AO 1:1 or GB, please let me know I really would like to cream her again! My dick was so well installed inside her.

For Laurateen, I cross fingers but finally she arrived to be pregnant: the Hope she's doing what she like and would be happy to cream her again too!

All girls provide services without protection and more.

With a tagline like that it is just really surprising that this place gets hardly a mention anywhere on these pages.

I could find only two posts which were posted in the Frankfurt and Mainz / Wiesbaden threads.

[QUOTE=Timer1963;1804160]So I decided to check out Rainbow in Hofheim. When I got there and was led into the room the Madam told me they have only one girl available, which was Jenny. She is very cute and apparently very young, as she told me she was 18. Normally I am not in favor of someone that young, but if figured why not. I booked an hour figuring will have time to explore.

She told me she was from Hungary and her presence was to speak in English, which was fine. After I showered (she did not which troubled me, she just was laying on the bed without even small talk. I asked to to start with french. It was without any enthusiasm and after a few minutes she rolled over and spread her legs. I tried to play with her a little bit, but it bothered her. She covers her breast as not to touch them. Everything was so lackluster that after 20 minuted I gave up and left.

I figured I talk to the "lady of the house" upon leaving, but she was nowhere to be found. I left, since I don't want to waist my time and my money.

They do not offer everything and I got the deadest fish I ever had.

Here is the website, so you know not to go there by accident:[URL]http://rainbow-girls.de/index.html[/URL].[/QUOTE][QUOTE=JayInGermany;1797568]Decided to take a chance last night and stopped at Rainbow Girls in Wallau. [URL]http://rainbow-girls.de/index.html[/URL].

It was nearly midnight, and two of the four girls were busy. My choices were Thalia and Deborah. I chose Deborah. She is better looking in person than in her photos, and she has a very nice body. Was offered erotic massage, BBBJ and bareback sex. Her only stipulation was no CIM or CIP. That was a little disappointing, but not enough for me to leave. The erotic massage was nice. Her BBBJ was okay, and the sex was very good. She has a beautiful little pussy, and once inside, I didn't want to leave! The 60430 was a good deal, and money well spent![/QUOTE]This place is in Hofheim-Wallau, not too far from Frankfurt, and I have been eyeing it up for a while as a possible useful alternative to FKK Dietzenbach. Unfortunately apart from trying pot luck in the RLD there are no known options for AO if you are in Frankfurt apart from Dietzenbach. However if I am on a two or three day trip I don't really want to spend it in the same venue banging the same women, over and over again, especially if they are not particularly attractive to begin with.

Based on the website alone this place looks like the perfect match and full of endless potential. It seems that you can get absolutely anything you want here. They are certainly not shy about telling you exactly what they do, and it seems as though there is little if anything that they won't do.

"Where all wishes come true and where anything can and nothing needs ".

So why does this place get such lukewarm reviews, albeit just two that I have found so far?

True, the women shown are not absolute stunnas however they look dirty enough and I particularly like the sleazy look and feel of the place.

I am just holding out until there have been more reports but for some reason there is something about those photos which makes my dick itch.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1844024]All girls provide services without protection and more.

With a tagline like that it is just really surprising that this place gets hardly a mention anywhere on these pages.

I could find only two posts which were posted in the Frankfurt and Mainz / Wiesbaden threads.

This place is in Hofheim-Wallau, not too far from Frankfurt, and I have been eyeing it up for a while as a possible useful alternative to FKK Dietzenbach. Unfortunately apart from trying pot luck in the RLD there are no known options for AO if you are in Frankfurt apart from Dietzenbach. However if I am on a two or three day trip I don't really want to spend it in the same venue banging the same women, over and over again, especially if they are not particularly attractive to begin with..[/QUOTE]I'm not sure what you see in those photos. The chick with the star tats near her pussy was barely decent & the rest scary. Horrendous!

Myrrh. I went a year or so ago but didn't stay. The girls weren't appealing to me.. The place continues to get poor reports on German forums, where the consensus seems to be that the RLD is better!

Still, it might be worth a look, but make sure you avoid rush hour if you are going by car. Local traffic can be bad.

tabulose-huren.com website will help for Frankfurt possibilities, if you can decipher German

Good luck.

[QUOTE=VitoCorleone;1844049]I'm not sure what you see in those photos. The chick with the star tats near her pussy was barely decent & the rest scary. Horrendous![/QUOTE]Did you really find Jenny, the 18-year old Hungarian blonde, scary? To me she looked better than Aysha, the one you said was barely decent. Just goes to show how people have different tastes. At least I think we can agree that if the girls working there were the ones in the group photo we would both be taking up residence in the club.

[QUOTE=VitoCorleone;1844049]I'm not sure what you see in those photos. The chick with the star tats near her pussy was barely decent & the rest scary. Horrendous![/QUOTE]Maybe it's a location issue? If these girls were based just a few km away from where they are now, in gloomy FKK Dietzenbach, sitting with the likes of Nadin (wearing the sort of donkey teeth that Austin Powers would refuse to smile with), Andrea (cross eyed, butch, prison bull lesbian look) and Alina (bags under her eyes bigger than my balls, flat chested and world famine victim body type, with ribs on display). Then maybe your view could be slightly different?

[QUOTE=VitoCorleone;1818616]Yes. You are correct. Nadin Andrea even Alina if they all got dolled up did their nails hair & etc they can def make it. They basically look like they just got out of bed (pretty much 15 min ago) & they still look pretty good.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1845084]Maybe it's a location issue? If these girls were based just a few km away from where they are now, in gloomy FKK Dietzenbach, sitting with the likes of Nadin (wearing the sort of donkey teeth that Austin Powers would refuse to smile with), Andrea (cross eyed, butch, prison bull lesbian look) and Alina (bags under her eyes bigger than my balls, flat chested and world famine victim body type, with ribs on display). Then maybe your view could be slightly different?[/QUOTE]For a guy notorious for being brutally honest, I don't know what you see in any if those girls. Maybe they looked better in person.

[QUOTE=VitoCorleone;1845259]For a guy notorious for being brutally honest, I don't know what you see in any if those girls. Maybe they looked better in person.[/QUOTE]I have never actually visited but a general rule seem to be that girls normally tend to look worse in real life than they do in photos.

These girls are more skanks than beauties, that is true. However if they lived up to the club motto of 'alles moglich' then a visit might still be interesting.

Optimist and reports on here seems to indicate that this is not the case though as performance issues have been identified.

This place is still a possible but I am afraid that I am still on the lookout for that alternative AO location to Dietz to make a trip to Hessen worthwhile.

I saw the following two ads earlier today:

[URL]http://www.fickanzeiger.com/spp/index.php?id=1456659072[/URL] (clearly fake / advertisement photos).

[URL]http://www.fickanzeiger.com/sexpartys/index.php?id=1456763757[/URL] (real photos).

It's for a place called Hertz Factory in western Cologne, and it's advertising 3 days of AO gangbangs with ten girls. It is "reopening", but I didn't find any information about the old version here in the forum. This place might interest some fellow mongers here!

Does anyone know anything about it and what it is? Is it a FKK, or a pauschalclub (they sell day tickets)? Public gangbangs only, or with rooms? Some of the girls are familiar from ads in AO sections of echtsex / fickanzeiger etc. I wonder how it might compare to some of the other AO clubs or apartments, especially since it's in Cologne rather than Düsseldorf / Duisberg / Mnchen Gladbach, etc. I'm thinking of phoning them or visiting tomorrow.

[QUOTE=DzGermany33;1845793][URL]http://www.fickanzeiger.com/sexpartys/index.php?id=1456763757[/URL] (real photos).

It's for a place called Hertz Factory in western Cologne, and it's advertising 3 days of AO gangbangs with ten girls. It is "reopening", but I didn't find any information about the old version here in the forum. This place might interest some fellow mongers here!

Does anyone know anything about it and what it is? Is it a FKK, or a pauschalclub (they sell day tickets)? Public gangbangs only, or with rooms?[/QUOTE]I called them this morning. It seems to be a pauschalclub. 60 eur for three hours, 80 for all day and uncovered blowjob, 100 for VIP, which is all day and AO with the girls who offer it. I asked if the girls were tested and if they tested guests who went for the VIP option and they couldn't say. The explanation was they were just opening and the person on the phone wasn't sure. There is both public and private action, so you can take a girl to a room.

I'm going to go check it out. If anyone else from the forum is there, say Hi.

[QUOTE=DzGermany33;1846050]I'm going to go check it out. If anyone else from the forum is there, say Hi.[/QUOTE]Hey DzGermany33,

I take it from your user name that you are based in Germany? Looking forward to your report. Its good to have someone on the ground in Germany to report back to us on these AO events.

[QUOTE=DzGermany33;1845793] it's advertising 3 days of AO gangbangs with ten girls.[/QUOTE]Where does it say that those are AO parties? I see nothing about AO, Creampie or Reinspritzen mentioned in the ad.

[QUOTE=DzGermany33;1846050]I called them this morning. It seems to be a pauschalclub. 60 eur for three hours, 80 for all day and uncovered blowjob, 100 for VIP, which is all day and AO with the girls who offer it.[/QUOTE]I wonder how many girls that might be. Chances are that you get 2 out of 10 who might do AO, I suppose that otherwise AO would be advertised in the headline and in the text as usual.

If you go there, please report back.

[QUOTE=SwingerLover;1846263]If you go there, please report back.[/QUOTE]I just have! In fact I just posted my report and then saw your post. The post won't be visible until it's moderator-approved, but I posted it in the "Bareback AO Alles Ohne. Flatrate Clubs. " section: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3215-Bareback-AO-Alles-Ohne-Flat-Rate-Clubs-Parties-and-Events[/URL].

More girls did you than you think. In fact the proportions were reversed, two or three who did not and seven or eight who did.

[QUOTE=DzGermany33;1846274]I just have! In fact I just posted my report and then saw your post. The post won't be visible until it's moderator-approved...[/QUOTE]It's visible now. [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3215-Bareback-AO-Alles-Ohne-Flat-Rate-Clubs-Parties-and-Events&p=1846272&viewfull=1[/URL]#post1846272.

I also heard from another source that today 9 out of 11 gals did AO. I still wonder why they didn't advertise this clearly.

[QUOTE]Where does it say that those are AO parties? I see nothing about AO, Creampie or Reinspritzen mentioned in the ad.

Chances are that you get 2 out of 10 who might do AO, I suppose that otherwise AO would be advertised in the headline and in the text as usual.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=DzGermany33;1846274]
More girls did you than you think. In fact the proportions were reversed, two or three who did not and seven or eight who did.[/QUOTE]Thank you Dz for proving the doubters wrong.

It's always those who are prepared to be more flexible and less rigid in their thinking and approach, who are the ones who find the real opportunities.

Does anybody have any information about this wonderful woman? Is she still active? The last sign of her was from an escort agency in Stuttgart, but I don't think she works there anymore.

After a few disappointments went yesterday to Villa Frivol again because I was nearby.

There was a party with Gundula. I know her a long time and she is great, and likes it herself without a doubt.

About 8 people attended the party, which she handels very easy.

She told me about Morfelden where she was the day before, very crowded there. What a contrast with this.

But it was great yesterday, good atmosphere, I fucked her in all positions, including her ass, while she was sucking other guys.

She doesn't need tissues, she just swallows simply all the cum she can get. Brrr.

At the end of the party, she sucked my dick for a long time including my balls and asshole. But I was simply empty.

She told me and of the month 29th of March she will be here again. But this will be shown on the website.

Lets see.

I recently came across a mainly gay forum website, but with an active section on alles ohne with women , including in Germany. A main theme in the forum is the intentional infecting with HIV of bareback girls. The members seem to consider this to be something of a mission. I haven't got past my shock about this. I had thought that intentional infecting of people was illegal in some countries at least.

[QUOTE=Optimist;1849567]I recently came across a mainly gay forum website, but with an active section on alles ohne with women , including in Germany. A main theme in the forum is the intentional infecting with HIV of bareback girls. The members seem to consider this to be something of a mission. I haven't got past my shock about this. I had thought that intentional infecting of people was illegal in some countries at least.[/QUOTE]Erm so that actually means that the 'gay' infested people there see it as they're mission to infest AO girls, OMG, this is indeed shocking to read.

[QUOTE=Seivel;1849423]
There was a party with Gundula. I know her a long time and she is great, and likes it herself without a doubt.

About 8 people attended the party, which she handels very easy.

She told me about Morfelden where she was the day before, very crowded there. What a contrast with this.[/QUOTE]I was at that Spermagames party in Mörfelden too and had fun with Gundula several times (no anal though). But it was not 'very' crowded, unless you compare it to an 8-guys-party. The low number of guys is propably why she did anal in Wallenhorst.

[QUOTE=Leifeide;1848217]Does anybody have any information about this wonderful woman? Is she still active? The last sign of her was from an escort agency in Stuttgart, but I don't think she works there anymore.[/QUOTE]There have been no lifesigns from Ronja for nearly 3 years now. Too bad.

[QUOTE=Optimist;1849567]I recently came across a mainly gay forum website, but with an active section on alles ohne with women , including in Germany. A main theme in the forum is the intentional infecting with HIV of bareback girls. The members seem to consider this to be something of a mission. I haven't got past my shock about this. I had thought that intentional infecting of people was illegal in some countries at least.[/QUOTE]It is, and in Germany it is considered as the crime of doing 'grievous bodily harm', which carries a prison term of up to 10 years. (That is if the gay lives that long, because if I should catch some gay like that, he will not live to see the day of his trial! Vermin needs to be exterminated right on the spot!

The gays call it 'pozzing', some even advertise for spreading their 'poz' aound.

I think it should be your duty to name that specific 'gay forum website' to a states attorney, so that the gays who are posting there get prosecuted immediately!

[QUOTE=Optimist;1849567]I recently came across a mainly gay forum website, but with an active section on alles ohne with women , including in Germany. A main theme in the forum is the intentional infecting with HIV of bareback girls. The members seem to consider this to be something of a mission. I haven't got past my shock about this. I had thought that intentional infecting of people was illegal in some countries at least.[/QUOTE]I think I may have come across the same website some while back. If it is the one you are referring to then some of the threads discussing cross-over sex with bareback hetero sex workers were old ones and had not had any recent posts. I do know that a significant proportion of promiscuous gay guys are keen to become positive so then at least they know that they won't have to spend so much time worrying about getting it. With their lifestyle they know that contracting it is almost inevitable. Totally opposite to the majority of promiscuous hetero mongering barebackers who assume that no matter how many different prostitutes they tear into they can never catch it. Just read some of the posts on here.

Only a tiny proportion of those gay guys, who are keen to actively spread their poz loads, have turned their attention to the hetero world. Although I admit there may be some who could be incentive because of their hatred of heteros. Due to the high level of general daily homophobia that they face and also because poz rates are so many times higher in the gay world even though hetero guys can be just as promiscuous.

A lot of the discussion that I did see on the particular website I mentioned focused on targeting various high profile sex workers on AW who had a reputation for high volume barebacking with punters. Rather than put up with the hassle and cost of traveling abroad it is a lot easier and more meaningful for these gay rogues to take a short train ride up to say Sheffield and try and poz a 'celebrity' AW person there. Later on learn through the grapevine that the girl had turned poz and fantasize that it may have been them who did it. Sick, I know, but these guys need more and more extreme activity to slake their appetite.

They would rather do it to a mini-celebrity rather than some unknown girl in Germany who no one has heard of and who may disappear in a few weeks anyway because of the high turnover of AO girls in Germany.

In any case pozzing a girl 'to order' is easier said than done as even if you were positive it would take a stroke of luck for her to catch it from you on the first, fifth, tenth or even more occasion.

But guys on here don't seem to think you can catch it anyway from a girl no matter what you do, so why should anyone worry?

Myrrh. I agree with all you have said, you cover most points as usual. It' s not a big threat, just ,for me, shocking. As you say, sick. I think the website is not the one you saw as the section on women is however extremely active, with loads of recent posts, but there seem to be very few explicit mentions of pozzing in that section.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1849733]Only a tiny proportion of those gay guys, who are keen to actively spread their poz loads, have turned their attention to the hetero world. Although I admit there may be some who could be incentive because of their hatred of heteros. Due to the high level of general daily homophobia that they face and also because poz rates are so many times higher in the gay world even though hetero guys can be just as promiscuous.[/QUOTE]I notice a lot of homosexual behavior, at a lot of these events. At least in my eyes, I think it crosses deep into anyways, or at least qualifies. While I attended an event in Karlsruhe, Heidi Hills was in the middle of blowing me and out of the corner of my eye, I noticed (would rather want to forget though) a punter was licking Bitchy Jana clean, and this is right after about dozen guys drop their loads on her. This kind of behavior puts me off to say the least. Something similar happened at a film party in El Brasi with Sexy Natalie. They film only from the waist down and one guy was wearing a mask, which I thought that he just being over cautious, but I later found out, when you clean up 20 loads off Sexy Natalie with your mouth, you either have to have a really long tongue or a face mask to maintain your anonymity. I realize in the gangbang world, your going to receive some collateral damage of some sort, but sometimes you feel that some of the guys are there for you, rather than girls, especially when every time when one of the girls has a dick in her mouth, the same guy all of a sudden wants to start making out with her, all while she is middle of blowing someone. That's also why I like the HIV testing at these events, because you never know what kind of people are there: gift givers, pozzers, bug chasers, whatever.

Like you CeeJay1, I also find it extremely disturbing when these (gay) guys are attending to the GB parties to practice their cuckold sickness! Too many guys are more focused on the cum than on the girls and I think some of them are beyond bisexual. It is really annoying to see this behavior, but what pisses me the most off, its that the organizer allow it. They should all have been blacklisted and kicked out from all events for all time!

I have stopped visiting several events due to these gay or bi guys. I know that there was one particular guy who attended a lot of Natalies parties, but she told me me he got banned from her events. I really hope they keep him away for ever!

Also at gb-porn I noticed a "local hero" who was waiting for each shot. It made me sick and I just left the party. It is a mystery that the organizers are too dumb to understand that their most importantcustomers, us heteros, will stop coming to the parties if the behavior is allowed.

I can accept and even find it hot that a passionate GB woman can suck two dicks at the same time, but I really hate it when the guys are playing with the girls cum! Let's encourage the organizers to kick these weirdos out!

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;1851051]I notice a lot of homosexual behavior, at a lot of these events. At least in my eyes, I think it crosses deep into anyways, or at least qualifies. While I attended an event in Karlsruhe, Heidi Hills was in the middle of blowing me and out of the corner of my eye, I noticed (would rather want to forget though) a punter was licking Bitchy Jana clean, and this is right after about dozen guys drop their loads on her. This kind of behavior puts me off to say the least. Something similar happened at a film party in El Brasi with Sexy Natalie. They film only from the waist down and one guy was wearing a mask, which I thought that he just being over cautious, but I later found out, when you clean up 20 loads off Sexy Natalie with your mouth, you either have to have a really long tongue or a face mask to maintain your anonymity. I realize in the gangbang world, your going to receive some collateral damage of some sort, but sometimes you feel that some of the guys are there for you, rather than girls, especially when every time when one of the girls has a dick in her mouth, the same guy all of a sudden wants to start making out with her, all while she is middle of blowing someone. That's also why I like the HIV testing at these events, because you never know what kind of people are there: gift givers, pozzers, bug chasers, whatever.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;1851051]I notice a lot of homosexual behavior, at a lot of these events. At least in my eyes, I think it crosses deep into anyways, or at least qualifies. While I attended an event in Karlsruhe, Heidi Hills was in the middle of blowing me and out of the corner of my eye, I noticed (would rather want to forget though) a punter was licking Bitchy Jana clean, and this is right after about dozen guys drop their loads on her. This kind of behavior puts me off to say the least. [/QUOTE]To each their own. Once I have deposited my cum it doesn't particularly matter to me what happens to it. If others want to play with it because it turns them on then up to them. I just can't guarantee that I am going to stick around to watch.

I recall one SG I went to where I saw this short, middle to old aged, guy with a bald head and mustache sitting patiently by the feet of one of the girls whilst a number of guys banged and shot their load into her. He looked prim and proper just like a bank manager. Then when the sixth guy had got off the girl he suddenly saw his chance.

This girl must have known what was coming next because her hand suddenly moved and clamped itself over her pussy in an instant. Nein she said. The look of sheer puzzlement on this gentleman's face was memorable. He was on his knees with his head now cms from the girl's pussy. He looked confused almost hurt because he had been clearly building up to that moment for some time.

I read one story about a guy in London who used to visit brothels and pay money, not for sex with the girls, but just so that he could collect used condoms from the waste bins and take them home with him.

There is one prominent poster on here who seems to obtain his primary satisfaction at these gangbangs from waiting until a woman's pussy is already full of spunk just so that he could wallow his bare cock in the sperm from other guys. Is that gay behavior? Some might definitely think so but I prefer to leave it up to others to make these kind of judgments.

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;1851051]That's also why I like the HIV testing at these events, because you never know what kind of people are there: gift givers, pozzers, bug chasers, whatever.[/QUOTE]The testing at these events is only for two or three STIs and not for all. Also it only picks out those who have had their 'bugs' for several weeks at least, so as to allow enough time for the infection to show up in the blood. Unfortunately STIs are many, many times more infectious in the period before they show up in blood tests.

Those who bareback consistently over several weeks / months should pick up bugs of one sort or another. If they don't then they are either lying / are not testing regularly and comprehensively / are incredibly lucky.

I think those who bareback regularly are essentially bug chasers whether they consider themselves as such or not. If they don't test and get treatment regularly then they should perhaps also class themselves as gift passers and poss load dumpers.

Cologne April 19th to 21th.

Plan is to visit Hertz factory party on 20th. If its closed by then Ill do whatever nearby partytreff there is.

Frankfurt May 12th to 17th.

FKK Dietz and maybe a Spermagames event if there is one on. Plus swingers, partreffs and RLD.

Let me know if anyone is around.

[QUOTE=Wanking;1858265]Plan is to visit Hertz factory party on 20th.
FKK Dietz and maybe a Spermagames event if there is one on. Plus swingers, partreffs and RLD.[/QUOTE]I didn't think FKKs or RTCs were your style to be honest. After all you are the champion of the budget bangers and a couple of 30 minutes shags at FKK Dietz will cost you 110 euros.

40 for entrance alone and 30 per girl. That same sort of money would get you unlimited shags at Erotic Lounge or Hertz factory plus VIP status to boot.

Spermagames is a push and a poke kind of place. You have to elbow your way through the crowds for just a few minutes of rushed action. No time allowed for leisurely licking of asses here.

Hertz factory? Yes, obviously. However knowing your luck the place will probably have shut up shop the week before you arrive.

Does anyone know about this? Is this true? I saw this on Gina Blonde's site. She stated that after 1 July 2017 that it will be against the law to have AO parties? I hope this isn't true. Was there some law recently passed in Germany that would prohibit this?

[QUOTE=EuroContrast;1858807]Does anyone know about this? Is this true? I saw this on Gina Blonde's site. She stated that after 1 July 2017 that it will be against the law to have AO parties? I hope this isn't true. Was there some law recently passed in Germany that would prohibit this?[/QUOTE]Where have you been? This has been discussed to death on this forum. Yes it does appear that AO will be banned. Not just parties but all AO including BBBJ. Also planned to be banned is gang-bang-party and flat rate sex clubs like party treffs.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1858447]I didn't think FKKs or RTCs were your style to be honest. After all you are the champion of the budget bangers and a couple of 30 minutes shags at FKK Dietz will cost you 110 euros.[/QUOTE]Cheers for the advice me ole China.

I do an FKK every now and again. I'm hoping for some anal bareback in dietz, haven't had a good anal bareback session in years. Hard to get that in the cheap parties.

[QUOTE=Wanking;1859293]I do an FKK every now and again. I'm hoping for some anal bareback in dietz, haven't had a good anal bareback session in years. Hard to get that in the cheap parties.[/QUOTE]Sorry to stereotype you mate as the 'bargain basement' champion because I know you try many things.

AFAIK there is only one girl who does anal at Dietz and that is always covered though. I asked a few of the regular girls and they all gave the same answer. That was 6 months ago but they rarely get new girls.

I was offered bareback booty banging (BBBB) at other RTCs in the NRW for 30 euros. However on the one occasion I tried I couldn't get the damn thing in. With the gel on it kind of slipped and slid all over her ass. Everywhere except in. I could not get little Helmut to squeeze his fat head into the rat hole no matter how much I tried.

After a while I began to lose confidence and stiffness.

I have seen BBBB up close at Spermagames events but the girls were whales and not attractive. There was one slim girl called Nicki (sadly no longer at SG) who I watched do half a dozen BB sandwiches in a row.

But when it came to my go with me 'bringing up the rear' in the arrangement I again failed. I can remember the look of sympathy on a couple of German guys faces, trying to keep a straight face. "There is zee problem? Won't go in, no"?

Worst of all was on my recent birthday when I had 3 booties, lined up on the bed, patiently perked up in the air waiting to be penetrated. Again entry unsuccessful.

In fact I was so vigorously trying to force it in that one of the girls farted loudly and joked "this is what you get when you try anal". The resulting after aroma did not exactly put me in the mood to continue further.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1859574]Sorry to stereotype you mate as the 'bargain basement' champion because I know you try many things.


Worst of all was on my recent birthday when I had 3 booties, lined up on the bed, patiently perked up in the air waiting to be penetrated. Again entry unsuccessful.

In fact I was so vigorously trying to force it in that one of the girls farted loudly and joked "this is what you get when you try anal". The resulting after aroma did not exactly put me in the mood to continue further.[/QUOTE]I'm happy to be known as bargain basement champ, because I really do scrimp and save much as possible in every aspect of life.

Please tell us more about your birthday treat. The farting detail made me LOL.

[QUOTE=EuroContrast;1858807]Does anyone know about this? Is this true? I saw this on Gina Blonde's site. She stated that after 1 July 2017 that it will be against the law to have AO parties? I hope this isn't true. Was there some law recently passed in Germany that would prohibit this?[/QUOTE]This is now at the level of a draft bill and will still have to go through the Bundestag and Bundesrat before it will become effective. Nobody knows how fast that process will go. Will it be 1st of July 2017? One cannot tell yet.

All "commercial" sex (oral, anal and vaginal) will have to be with a condom.

Besides that it will be forbidden to make any publicity for "bare back", either directly or indirectly, even using "codewords" (total, natur, .). This will mean that all the AO forums here will be closed (ISG is hosted in Germany).

[QUOTE=EuroContrast;1858807]Does anyone know about this? Is this true? I saw this on Gina Blonde's site. She stated that after 1 July 2017 that it will be against the law to have AO parties? I hope this isn't true. Was there some law recently passed in Germany that would prohibit this?[/QUOTE]Well, at least now there's a day month and year, instead of just a year. Now I can better plan the rest and maybe last of my GB parties.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1859727]All "commercial" sex (oral, anal and vaginal) will have to be with a condom.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I remember those days. Sometimes they made you wear 2 condoms. They'd barely let you touch their tits with a bare hand.

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;1860029]Well, at least now there's a day month and year, instead of just a year. Now I can better plan the rest and maybe last of my GB parties.[/QUOTE]Maybe.

Some AO party providers have already shut up shop in anticipation of the bill becoming law. Unfortunately, some may not have been clear on the proposed date or current status of the legislation and assumed that it was already law.

If the bill goes through the tiers with no problem then I would not expect a 'big bang' where providers suddenly switch from AO to non-AO over night.

As has been discussed before, providers will want to clean up their act well in advance of the proposed date, for fear that they may be targeted by the police as likely rule breakers when the bill becomes law. So expect more AO providers to shut up shop or drop AO or no longer advertise it well in advance of the proposed date if it looks like the bill will become law.

On the other hand as the bill still needs to go through a couple more tiers of parliament then realistically it is unlikely to make the proposed target date.

If these tiers work as they are supposed to then there will be challenges to what is proposed and there could be significant amendments (which will take time to work through) and the bill may not even get through in the end.

Bill proposers normally have a 'wish list' of everything they could possibly want knowing that only some of them will actually get through. So expect a very watered down version of the bill assuming that it does get through.

The bill affects a huge customer base as FKKs are included and people from all walks of life go to FKKs.

Lets hope that there is a significant proportion of politicians in the Bundestag and Bundesrat who enjoy getting their dicks wet on a regular basis from commercial sex providers.

[QUOTE=Wanking;1859293]Cheers for the advice me ole China.

I do an FKK every now and again. I'm hoping for some anal bareback in dietz, haven't had a good anal bareback session in years. Hard to get that in the cheap parties.[/QUOTE]In the RTC in NRW you can have for sure, CIA included. Hope you'll lucky and find in Dietzenbach too.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1860056]Maybe.

Some AO party providers have already shut up shop in anticipation of the bill becoming law. Unfortunately, some may not have been clear on the proposed date or current status of the legislation and assumed that it was already law.

As has been discussed before, providers will want to clean up their act well in advance of the proposed date, for fear that they may be targeted by the police as likely rule breakers when the bill becomes law. So expect more AO providers to shut up shop or drop AO or no longer advertise it well in advance of the proposed date if it looks like the bill will become law.[/QUOTE]Sometimes, going out of business is usually good for business. It can be a good advertising scheme. Let's hope that's all it is, at least in this case anyways. Unfortunately, I'm probably way off on this one, but one could only dream. Long live AO GB.

[QUOTE=Wanking;1859293]Cheers for the advice me ole China.

I do an FKK every now and again. I'm hoping for some anal bareback in dietz, haven't had a good anal bareback session in years. Hard to get that in the cheap parties.[/QUOTE]I know Andrea Karina & a large set Bulgarian girl & 2 romys (forgot their names) provide anal. I believe only covered anal but you might be able to negotiate. Andrea is covered pussy / anal so no chance with her. If you really want a hardcore anal pound it till it hurts session Angie at Grimberg is your girl.

[QUOTE=VitoCorleone;1860930]I know Andrea Karina & a large set Bulgarian girl & 2 romys (forgot their names) provide anal. I believe only covered anal but you might be able to negotiate. Andrea is covered pussy / anal so no chance with her. If you really want a hardcore anal pound it till it hurts session Angie at Grimberg is your girl.[/QUOTE]Ah its not the end of the world if I don't get anal bareback in Dietz, ID prefer bareback vag to covered anal.

Wanking, Vito is spot on. Slim Angie likes to do hard anal.

Vito, didn't you once refer to Angie's face looking like an IED survivor?

[QUOTE=Optimist;1861069]Wanking, Vito is spot on. Slim Angie likes to do hard anal.

Vito, didn't you once refer to Angie's face looking like an IED survivor?[/QUOTE]Yes I did & she looks like she survived another IED blast. Not just her face but shrapnel marks all over her body I've never session with her but a close friend has, many times. I've seen her ride a couple guys bb anal on the couch at Arabella & Grimberg.

Excuse me, she left Grimberg at least a couple of months ago.

[QUOTE=EastGoing;1862260]Excuse me, she left Grimberg at least a couple of months ago.[/QUOTE]Well, that explains why she wasn't around a couple weeks ago.

Hello team!

I'm in Berlin from tonight until Sunday evening.

Do you have any advices of a AO-SwingerClub, AO GB, AO FKK etc?

If yes let me know here I'll loved to jump in.

Something with test on site or no as I'll not be able to bring one.

L

There is one song I've heard played consistently in the clubs since I started visiting hoormany more than 10 years ago.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1DIV8V_zwQ[/URL].

Apparently its about a burd trying to escape being a hoor. Or so one of the hoors told me years ago. Hence why the hoors love it.

It was in LE Bermude swingers club in Brussels 2003, they used to have a few working girls hanging around, expensive too, about 100 euro per 30 minutes. She was Brazilian and she really wanted bareback. I was convinced afterwards she had AIDS, and was shitting a brick for many months after fucking her. LOL.

I remember anxiously telling the club owner about what happened and he laughed it off, giving me a pat on the back and said ''Shes fine , you will be fine, no worry needed''

He is even bald, same as our Colbog.

For anyone new, Colbog used to be a major contributor here until he went to the BI Tranny side.

From the movie 'Hunger Games Mocking jay part 1'.

...Swingerlover?

A - Dead?

B - He just got sick of Myrrh? (I actually like you BTW Myrrh and enjoy your stuff).

C - He gave up the hobby?

Anyone?

..and why I never wanted to get married.

This quote from one of my fav movies sums it up.

[URL]http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0399146/quotes?item=qt1999061[/URL]

A History of Violence (2005)
Quotes
[Richie asks Joey if he likes being married]
Richie Cusack: Do you like being married?
Richie Cusack: [Joey shrugs his shoulders] Does it work for you? I can't see it working for me. I never got the urge, you know? A lot of great-looking women in the world. I never met one made me wanna give up all the others.

[QUOTE=Wanking;1887233]...Swingerlover?
A - Dead?
B - He just got sick of Myrrh? (I actually like you BTW Myrrh and enjoy your stuff).
C - He gave up the hobby?
Anyone?[/QUOTE]We surely miss him. The calendar, the reports, the advices, his own opinions.

Hope he is well and he'll be back very soon!

[QUOTE=Wanking;1884312]There is one song I've heard played consistently in the clubs since I started visiting hoormany more than 10 years ago.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1DIV8V_zwQ[/URL].

Apparently its about a burd trying to escape being a hoor. Or so one of the hoors told me years ago. Hence why the hoors love it.[/QUOTE]Great siong. Here are the lyrics: [URL]http://www.metrolyrics.com/maria-magdalena-lyrics-sandra.html[/URL].

But I see no reference to a hooker wishing to get out of The Game.

[QUOTE=Gggfan;1887442]We surely miss him. The calendar, the reports, the advices, his own opinions.

Hope he is well and he'll be back very soon![/QUOTE]I agree with youi.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1887464]Great siong. Here are the lyrics: [URL]http://www.metrolyrics.com/maria-magdalena-lyrics-sandra.html[/URL].

But I see no reference to a hooker wishing to get out of The Game.[/QUOTE]I think its just the Chorus.

"'ll never be Maria Magdalena.
(You're a creature of the night).
Maria Magdalena.
(You're a victim of the fight).
(You need love).
Promised me delight.
(You need love)".

Maria Magdalena was a hoor in the time of Jesus (I wonder did he lick her anus?)

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Magdalene[/URL]

[QUOTE=Wanking;1887233]C - He gave up the hobby?

Anyone?[/QUOTE]Did somebody stop posting on here? I really must remind myself to pay more closer attention to what is happening around here.

I go for a full screen every 6 months ish. Just got the results by text today. They want me to go back for more Blood-tests in August due to all the bareback I had in the last month, but the doctor there reckoned hoors in Germany are about the safest ones in the World to bareback due to regular testing, especially in clubs like Dietz where they are tested once a week. There was testing taking place on the Friday I was there in Dietz.

Okay its unclear how often the hoors in places like Hertz factory are tested of course. The Doc in the clinic is always intrigued when I tell her about places like Hertz and how cheap those parties are.

The Doc said never to bareback in Thailand, and especially never in Africa, and then she told me to of course to give up barebacking altogether, and gave me a free box of Durex extra safe condoms as a little present at the end. I actually have 4 boxes of those condoms from the clinic in a drawer now LOL.

Finally we discussed my love of performing Oral sex on women, and she said "Well I suppose you wouldn't consider using a dental dam would you?

And as always my answer was "NO I'm not into licking rubber" LOL.

I used to love this show presented by a Tranny about all things sexual in Germany. It was available on the Astra satellite in the mid 90's on Vox channel. Anyone else watch it?

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx4BRhoxspg[/URL]

There was also a similar program on a Swedish satellite channel, with a middle aged blonde woman who used to interview hoors, Pornstars etc, but I can't remember the name of it? Anyone?

I actually had 3 satellite dishes, 2 for Porn and 1 for Sky TV back in those pre internet days..

[QUOTE=Wanking;1888071]I go for a full screen every 6 months ish. Just got the results by text today. [/QUOTE]Goof for you (and by extension for us as you will continue your best hobby and therefore feeding us with your wonderfull reports).

[QUOTE=Wanking;1888071]... doctor there reckoned hoors in Germany are about the safest ones in the World to bareback due to regular testing, especially in clubs like Dietz where they are tested once a week. There was testing taking place on the Friday I was there in Dietz.[/QUOTE]So you know (first hand?) taht the girls in Dietz are tested weekly? That's quite a good news to hear!

Already read that they were tested regularly in some FKK clubs (most actually), with reports mentionning tests in Bernds (non FKK I know) every two weeks or so.

[QUOTE=Gggfan;1889492]Goof for you (and by extension for us as you will continue your best hobby and therefore feeding us with your wonderfull reports).

So you know (first hand?) taht the girls in Dietz are tested weekly? That's quite a good news to hear![/QUOTE]I say goof (sic) for Wanking as well. Although I am not sure that I approve of all of this 'clean test' boasting. I am sure that there are many guys shifting uncomfortably in their seats when reading that knowing that they have caught everything but the kitchen sink whilst bare backing over the years. It's more a question as to what they haven't caught. But to date I can only recall one brave soul, JimmyB if I remember correctly, coming forward to tell it how it really is for him. He kind of broke the unwritten machismo code that operates on these pages here.

So they test at the RTCs including at Dietzenbach? Really? Should we take assurance from that? I once asked one of the girls at Dietzenbach, who spoke reasonable English, about this and she repeatedly shooed me away saying that 'the guys don't have certificates'. Meaning my question was pointless as what's the point of the girls being tested if the guys are not tested.

I persisted and eventually she said every three weeks. This is at variance with what Wanking says of weekly and I've heard different quotes on here of monthly and even every 6 weeks. It also depends on the girls being present of course on the day. Some girls work a few days and are then off for a few so it could take months before the testing catches up with them.

It would be interesting to hear from Wanking exactly what he saw when he said 'There was testing taking place on the Friday I was there in Dietz' because there have been many posts about this place going back years but nobody else has ever reported seeing testing taking place there but Wanking sees it on his first ever visit, LOL.

Our Wanking just happens to be regarded as the number one board bareback banner bearing boy, BTW!

To do proper testing you would have to take swabs from the urethra with testing of p as well as blood. There are some STIs which can only be easily detected through one of these means but not the others.

There are dozens of different bacterial STIs but only two well-known ones, Chlamydia and Gonorrhea. In the UK sex clinics they insist on doing swab testing to look for irritation to the urethra. If the swabs or p say that there is no Chlamydia and Gonorrhea but there is sign of irritation then they prescribe you antibiotics anyway because this shows that it is highly likely that you have some sort of bacterial STI even though it is not Chlamydia or Gonorrhea. They have classed these non-Chlamydia and Gonorrhea infections as non-specific arthritis or NSU. NSU type infections are just as painful and infectious as the main two and will also cause long term damage like infertility and other chronic problems like long term infection of the urinary tract.

Bareback gangbang party organizers, GB01, is the only bareback club that I know of which officially does a 'full' range of testing. They test for HIV, Syphilis, Gonorrhea and Chlamydia. Spermagames for example only test for the first two. However, these are only blood tests and not p and swabs testing. It takes much longer for these infections to show up in the blood (weeks rather than days) than they would do in p or through evidence of urethral irritation.

But GB01 and SG do not test for NSU which is probably more common than the ones they do test for.

However in these clubs favor they do test both the girls and the guys. As the girl at the RTC pointed out, it is pointless testing the girls if you do not test the guys also. It is a bit like a pool attendant trying to clean a pool whilst there are still children in there who may be answering a call of nature at the same time that the cleaning is taking place. If some of the water is affected, then you have to assume that it is all infected.

Assuming that these clubs do testing, they certainly do not test for herpes or HPV!

After HIV, herpes is probably the most feared STI because they are both lifelong curses. Herpes could mean misery for the rest of your life with outbreaks every other month or so of unbearably, painful large weeping sores which take up to two weeks to properly heal. It is impossible to have sex during that time. It is difficult to keep relationships with non P4P women because you would have to tell them upfront that you have this.

When I tried to ask the girl at the RTC clubs exactly what they tested for they didn't really want to say. I remember reading on this forum, from a couple of reliable posters, that these clubs use to do compulsory testing of the girls but this changed a few years ago to make it voluntary only. Also they do not test for HIV. This would seem crazy that these clubs do carry out testing for curable diseases but do not test for the big, life threatening one. Maybe because it is against the law to force a sex worker to test for something if they have not willingly consented to it? If a girl was found to have HIV then the club and the girl could be in trouble if she continued working there potentially affecting customers. So she would have to cease work and be unable to feed her family. It is probably a case of it being better not to know as far as the girls are concerned for this particular disease.

There are girls at these RTCs who have been there continuously for 5 or more years allowing untested, untreated sperm into their pussies, many times a day, from complete strangers whose background they have absolutely no idea about. At Dietzenbach I saw exactly the same girls sitting on the couches even though I hadn't been there for over a year.

Girls have been creampie barebacking there for years and never caught HIV? Even though I have read numerous reports of girls catching it after just one or two sexual encounters and sex clinics strongly advising you to go for a blood test if you have barebacked a sex worker even just only once? It is a bit like playing the roulette slot machines in Las Vegas for years, spending lots of money, and never once winning the jackpot. With that sort of luck, I would give up!

I was there with wanking when some of the girls were tested. The rest of the rtc clubs I've seen girls tested multiple times. Only annabel (never been there) & F39.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1889712]It would be interesting to hear from Wanking exactly what he saw when he said 'There was testing taking place on the Friday I was there in Dietz' because there have been many posts about this place going back years but nobody else has ever reported seeing testing taking place there but Wanking sees it on his first ever visit, LOL.[/QUOTE]Well as it so happens Vito and I actually assisted in the testing at Dietz.

The Doctor arrived, she was a bit drunk but could still stand. I lay down on the big three seater couch near the end of the lounge, and the girls all queued up, the first one sat on my face while Vito held her hand for balance. I then licked her Pussy and Anus for 3 minutes and then I spat into a cup. The Doctor then drank the contents of the cup which was my pussy anus flavoured spittle.

Then she either said "Clean" or "Infected". About half the girls were deemed Infected but they tasted nicer.

Its a great system for STI testing and I enjoyed helping out very much, I believe this new system is going to be Rolled out Worldwide from 2017!

Im heading to Africa in July to assist with the trials there. I will be licking 1000 big arses every day, cant wait!

[QUOTE=Wanking;1890216]Well as it so happens Vito and I actually assisted in the testing at Dietz.[/QUOTE]Wanking,

Are you going to tell us what really happened? I am intrigued to know.

Did only some of the girls get selected, at random? Did they have a choice as whether they went or not, did any refuse?

What sort of testing? Blood, P or swabs? I assume that they took them off to a room rather than ask them to crouch down in the main room and P into a pot or to stretch their legs wide apart whilst the doc poked around with a spatula.

[QUOTE=Wanking;1890216]Well as it so happens Vito and I actually assisted in the testing at Dietz.

The Doctor arrived, she was a bit drunk but could still stand. I lay down on the big three seater couch near the end of the lounge, and the girls all queued up, the first one sat on my face while Vito held her hand for balance. I then licked her Pussy and Anus for 3 minutes and then I spat into a cup. The Doctor then drank the contents of the cup which was my pussy anus flavoured spittle.

Then she either said "Clean" or "Infected". About half the girls were deemed Infected but they tasted nicer.

Its a great system for STI testing and I enjoyed helping out very much, I believe this new system is going to be Rolled out Worldwide from 2017!

Im heading to Africa in July to assist with the trials there. I will be licking 1000 big arses every day, cant wait![/QUOTE]I was only holding her hand to keep balance while she gave me a BJ.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1890428]Wanking,

Are you going to tell us what really happened? I am intrigued to know.

Did only some of the girls get selected, at random? Did they have a choice as whether they went or not, did any refuse?

What sort of testing? Blood, P or swabs? I assume that they took them off to a room rather than ask them to crouch down in the main room and P into a pot or to stretch their legs wide apart whilst the doc poked around with a spatula.[/QUOTE]A doctor shows up & girls go & get tested. I've never actually been in the testing room so I really don't know the specific details. Whatever the tests are, def blood test as the girls return to work with gauze pad & band aid.

Male and female medical personnel, both in their 50's. They were carrying alot of equipment. They set up a temporary clinic in one of the rooms upstairs, and were there an hour or more. The girls then went up one by one between sessions. Some of them came back with a plaster on their arms after having the bloodtest.

I spoke to Dani (Andreas sister) and she said they get the full screen, blood, P*ss, and swabs. She also said if a girl has a problem she goes on holiday. She said the medical team call there once a week.

I presume this mobile clinic calls to many clubs in the Frankfurt area, and its funded by the local health authority. I doubt the club pays them privately?

Has anybody ever visited Lessing str. In Bremerhaven? Well, I did last night on the advice of another punter. I was surprised to see alot of girls present and occuppying the street. I thought the window scene was a thing of the past, since the advent of social media, but since its a seaport I guess they get a lot of business from the seaman. Anyway, most of the girls there on the window scene now are way better looking and do a way lot more, compared to way back in the past. A lot of the girls in the windows were Rumanian and do AO on negotiations of course. The the flat rate was 30 euro for 20 minutes and that typically includes safe GV and bareback OV if you choose. That was even negotiable to as low as 15 euro. The girl I went with I paid 30 €. She was from Hungary. She looked like a hot La Luna's girl. She wanted a 100 euro for bareback GV. Now, she was hot enough to go bareback on and maybe get around that much, but I decided to take the BBBJ for 30 € and paid an extra 20 € to cum on her pussy. I just didn't feel safe going AO on a street girl or window girl. I'm sure the price could be negotiated a lot lower for AO for a lot of these girls. Well anyway, it was good for a one time visit.

[QUOTE=Wanking;1887233]...Swingerlover?

A - Dead?

B - He just got sick of Myrrh? (I actually like you BTW Myrrh and enjoy your stuff).

C - He gave up the hobby?

Anyone?[/QUOTE]


D -Ran off with T / S Luna.

[QUOTE=Wanking;1887233]...Swingerlover?

A - Dead?

B - He just got sick of Myrrh? (I actually like you BTW Myrrh and enjoy your stuff).

C - He gave up the hobby?

Anyone?[/QUOTE]I heard he ran off with crappy Steffi!

The little boy lived with his mother in a seaside village. Most weekends he would head down to the beach to sit on the beachfront taking in all the various activities that were taking place there. At one end of the beach there was a high cliff face and some local boys would often mess around on top of the cliff taking it in turns to dive into the sea far below. The little boy was endlessly fascinated by this and would love to sit on the beach and watch them for hours.

The boys had different styles. Some would stand silently peering into the water below before tipping forward and falling like a log into the water. Others would walk slowly to the cliff face and without breaking their strides would step off the cliff face. A couple would show off by standing with their back to the cliff before somersaulting backwards off the cliff into the water below.

One evening after coming back from the beach the boy mentioned the group of local boys to his mum and she immediately became very angry. The boy was completely taken aback by her reaction. "Don't you ever talk or hang around with those boys" his mother shouted. "They are nothing but trouble. I don't want you to ever mention them again".

The boy was an obedient son so he never mentioned it again. However, he would still go down to the beach occasionally to watch the boys.

One day after the boys had finished messing around and had sauntered off into the village together laughing and joking the boy decided that he would go up to the cliff to have a look for himself. It was a long walk with his little legs but eventually he got to the top. When he went to look over the edge he was shocked to see how far up he was. The water looked a very long way down.

However, the boy was fascinated by what it would feel like to jump off the cliff. He decided that he would have to have a go but it took him a long time to build up the courage. He inched closer to the cliff face with his eyes closed and stood on the edge not being able to jump off. But he leaned further forward each time until there came a point when he lost his balance and started falling. He opened his eyes to see the water rushing towards him with frightening speed. He felt great fear but also excitement.

Instinct told him that he needed to concentrate on landing feet first and moments later he was engulfed in the water. He bobbed up to the top of the water and felt elation. He had done it.

But then he found himself sinking. The boy wasn't worried because he was a strong swimmer but for some reason he was unable to keep himself above the water. The water started filling his lungs and the last thing that the boy remembered was passing out.

The boy woke up in strange surroundings and realized that he must be in a hospital. He immediately began to panic. What was he doing here? The nurse noticed him waking up, smiled at him and came over telling him not to worry and to try and go back to sleep. So the boy drifted off again.

The jump had not gone well. The boy had landed on his feet on the seabed but had immediately fallen back jarring the base of his spine on a large rock. The impact had shattered his spine. The boy was now paralysed from the neck down.

A local man had seen the boy fall into the water and sinking below the surface. He had jumped into the water and rescued the boy.

The police were able to trace the boy's mother and visited her to let he know that her son had been involved in an accident. When the boy's mother visited the hospital and saw her son in the bed surrounded by tubes she became hysterical and threw herself on the floor crying hysterically. The staff did not have the heart to tell her immediately that her son had been paralyzed.

News of what happened to the boy spread throughout the village and reached the group of local boys. They felt guilty because they realized that the boy must have been copying them. They wanted to visit the hospital to see how the boy was but were fearful that they would be blamed for what happened.

What was not well known was that these boys had also suffered many injuries during their jumps. As the water was shallow and there were many rocks under the water they had collected many nasty cuts and bruises. One boy had gashed his leg pretty badly against a rock during one jump which left him with an ugly 12-inch scar and another boy had broken his leg in several places. It had not mended properly and he now walked deliberately with a jaunty swagger to hide his limp. More through luck rather than any skill on their part the boys had somehow managed to avoid the fate that the little boy suffered on his very first jump.

Letting people know that they had suffered injuries would have not fitted in with the image that the boys wanted to present of being carefree, action men who were seemingly invincible.

The moral of the story:

Be careful about trying to copy the big boys. They will come on these pages to boast about their sexual escapades and the risky sex that they have regularly undertaken whilst not suffering any ill effects whatsoever. However, they are clearly only letting you know about the part of the story that they want you to know. The reality could be very different and like the little boy you may not have the same luck when you decide that you want to copy them.

So it appears closed at the moment.

The cheap parties in general are very sporadic at the moment which is annoying to say the least, hard to plan for.

I see that little Melenia burd is back on the scene, looks like she had a kid. I banged her at a party in Dusseldorf in 2012 when she was Andrea and then in 2014 in Linnich farm where I visited with Colbog. Very pretty and good service.

[URL]http://www.fickanzeiger.com/sexpartys/index.php?id=1467656001[/URL]

Just found another pic of that young Melania burd. She's available for single sessions. [URL]http://www.fickanzeiger.com/girlfriend-sex/index.php?id=1467840566[/URL].

Greetings gents!

I know that this is OT, but I was wondering if any of you has an idea about the barebacking scene in Spain or Madrid to be exact!

Since this is the only place where someone can discuss barebacking without facing total abuse from "safe" users.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Bootie26;1908979]Greetings gents!

I know that this is OT, but I was wondering if any of you has an idea about the barebacking scene in Spain or Madrid to be exact!

Since this is the only place where someone can discuss barebacking without facing total abuse from "safe" users.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I haven't been to Spain in 20 years so I can't be sure.

But I suspect it would be available from some ROm / Bulg hoors for a price. Just ask around..

Im pretty sure there arent any dedicated bare clubs or parties like in Hoormany.

[QUOTE=Wanking;1909334]I haven't been to Spain in 20 years so I can't be sure.

But I suspect it would be available from some ROm / Bulg hoors for a price. Just ask around..

Im pretty sure there arent any dedicated bare clubs or parties like in Hoormany.[/QUOTE]Yep, thanks Wanking. From my experience in countless country mongering most prostitutes can be bareback friendly if convinced enough!

Either by paying enough more and / or sweet talking.

I'm just trying to get an idea on its "commonality", so I can adjust my game properly.

[QUOTE=Wanking;1909334]I haven't been to Spain in 20 years so I can't be sure.

But I suspect it would be available from some ROm / Bulg hoors for a price. Just ask around..

Im pretty sure there arent any dedicated bare clubs or parties like in Hoormany.[/QUOTE]You can get BBFS from some f the providers in Chinese massage places " Asian houses" in Barcelona. Ask the girl or the Mam-san before. Some time back, I was with one, and had already popped once, covered. She then continue playing with me, and when I was again ready, she took my tool and put t in straight. Got the scare of my life. Nothing bad happened after though.

On "El periodico" e "La vanguardia" in Barcelona last week there were ads saying "si a todo" (yes to everything). I remember reading them since my first visits in 2000.

There are only rare occasions I use a condom these days. I used one fucking Steffi in Hertz factory in April because she just turned me on so much, and Ill use them a bit in Insomnia Swingers Club where they are mandatory, for some fucking and for some CBJ, but mostly I like to have girls sit on my face and give me oily handjobs there.

There are basically 4 types of hoor when it comes to Condoms.

1 - Complete bareback hoor. Best case scenario for me, I try to cum in either Pussy or Mouth, plus lots of licking of course.

2 - Covered hoor that does BBBJ. I generally don't bother with the covered sex, and just do licking and BBBJ hoping to cum in mouth.

3 - Completely covered Hoor that allows licking. I usually just get her to sit on my face and lick both her holes while she gives me an oily handjob. I don't really bother with covered blow, sometimes for a little bit.

4 - Completely covered Hoor that does NOT allow licking. Typical Amsterdam Window girl types, I just don't bother.

Plus of course I will do deep or light fingering where available..

I'm looking for AO clubs or parties where I can take the girls into a room and be with them in private and at one at a time. Not looking for gang bang or group action.

I read some time back that Melanie Moon occasionally has her group of women go to FKK's for parties. Is this true?

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;1916705]I'm looking for AO clubs or parties where I can take the girls into a room and be with them in private and at one at a time. Not looking for gang bang or group action.

I read some time back that Melanie Moon occasionally has her group of women go to FKK's for parties. Is this true?[/QUOTE]This is seemingly less-common, though I'm not sure why. I suspect most of this action just goes unadvertised, and mostly undiscussed.

I'm also interested in this if anyone knows some opportunities. I pretty much don't have a price ceiling, so I'm also looking for good places to advertise interest.

However, some possibilities with this in mind:

- Club LaLuna in Moers. Seemingly getting less action and worse over time, but has women working that offer private AO sessions.

- p-p-p. Tv / gb01. They sometimes do clip filming events in a private 1-on-1 or 2-on-1 setting, though usually filmed (without faces).

- AO-friendly-ish FKK clubs. Dietzenbach, F39, etc. There are some reports about these in the FKK forum. Haven't tried these, as it sounds hit-or-miss.

- Eronity. This is a pretty big site in Germany, though some basic German language knowledge is very helpful. Lots of private AO couples and proudly slutty women and men.

Hi, have seen a hot, tall, dark MILF called Sarah in a few SG GB movies recently. Does anyone know if she also do / attend parties?

Thank you.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;1916705]I'm looking for AO clubs or parties where I can take the girls into a room and be with them in private and at one at a time. Not looking for gang bang or group action.

I read some time back that Melanie Moon occasionally has her group of women go to FKK's for parties. Is this true?[/QUOTE]There's a thread for all the AO clubs you should look at. It's in the FKK section. You have La Luna, Villa Venus, Arabella, Grimberg, Dietzenbach, Verena, Romantika and Luderland. Freude 39 is closed and so may be some of the others so it will be worth checking there.

This sounds more of what you are looking for, an FKK type place (albeit a lower tier club) where you can pick a girl out and take her to a room. Watch out as a few girls may not be AO but most should be.

[QUOTE=Downandup;1918081]There's a thread for all the AO clubs you should look at. It's in the FKK section. You have La Luna, Villa Venus, Arabella, Grimberg, Dietzenbach, Verena, Romantika and Luderland. Freude 39 is closed and so may be some of the others so it will be worth checking there.

This sounds more of what you are looking for, an FKK type place (albeit a lower tier club) where you can pick a girl out and take her to a room. Watch out as a few girls may not be AO but most should be.[/QUOTE]If I'm in a club that has women offering AO, what is the best way to ask? Should I ask before I go into the room and announce it in the bar to her or should I be more discreet and ask her in the room?

What the best protocol?

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;1918621]If I'm in a club that has women offering AO, what is the best way to ask? Should I ask before I go into the room and announce it in the bar to her or should I be more discreet and ask her in the room?

What the best protocol?[/QUOTE]You can ask when you sit with the girl. The unwritten code is to walk around the club with no towel totally nude. All the girls will know what you want. If you do the shimmy a couple of times then it signals you prefer cream pie.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;1918621]If I'm in a club that has women offering AO, what is the best way to ask? Should I ask before I go into the room and announce it in the bar to her or should I be more discreet and ask her in the room?

What the best protocol?[/QUOTE]In many AO clubs they used to have photos of the girls and it would say that that the girl would do anal or AO. Do they still have them? I have a four week wait before I find out for myself.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;1918621]If I'm in a club that has women offering AO, what is the best way to ask? Should I ask before I go into the room and announce it in the bar to her or should I be more discreet and ask her in the room?

What the best protocol?[/QUOTE]The best protocol is to ask her afterwards when she feels her pussy with her fingers and asks "fertig".

Can anyone tell me if any of the girls in the AO clubs have silicon tits? Specifically the AO clubs in NRW part of Germany? I also like Asian girls, do any of the clubs offering AO have Asian girls? If so which ones, and what are their names?

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;1919313]Can anyone tell me if any of the girls in the AO clubs have silicon tits? Specifically the AO clubs in NRW part of Germany? I also like Asian girls, do any of the clubs offering AO have Asian girls? If so which ones, and what are their names?[/QUOTE]All the clubs have Asian girls with huge silicon Totties. 90% Asian girls, 10% Romanian. All AO.

I was recently at a gangbang and one of the women decided to get down on her knees on the bare floor, with several guys standing around her, to vigorously work off 3 or 4 cocks at the same time with her mouth and hands.

I found the whole thing a bit of a turn on and when the opportunity arose seized my chance to step forward and off load into her mouth, which she helpfully kept as wide open as she could.

I had been staying away from sex for two weeks in anticipation of my trip to Germany and her mouth filled up like a little pond. I had forgotten what two weeks of spunk looked like and the spurting seemed to go on for ages. I didn't realize I had that much in the tank.

My concentration was only interrupted by some German guy standing beside me shouting at the top of his voice something which sounded like "Geile"! "Geile"!

I had no idea what this meant but assumed that it must translate something like 'Bastard' but in a complimentary way?

What party woz you at myrrho?

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1919692]My concentration was only interrupted by some German guy standing beside me shouting at the top of his voice something which sounded like "Geile"! "Geile"!

I had no idea what this meant but assumed that it must translate something like 'Bastard' but in a complimentary way?[/QUOTE]Well, for starters, it's definitely a compliment.

Geil has an older meaning that's often translated as "horny" but that's not quite right. Younger folks will use geil to mean "cool" or "very cool. " However, it's still considered coarse language, so you wouldn't use it in polite company.

My personal translation is "that's fucking hot!" It can be applied to both sexual and non-sexual situations, but it will be offensive to some folks. It's also a word that you will hear a lot in German porn.

[QUOTE=Wanking;1919379]All the clubs have Asian girls with huge silicon Totties. 90% Asian girls, 10% Romanian. All AO.[/QUOTE]IS THAT A REAL PHOTO? Fu*k! This isn't photo-shopped?

WOW!

TTM.

[QUOTE=Wanking]What party woz you at myrrho?[/QUOTE]It was GB01. So I should really have posted it in the dedicated GB01 thread.

It's probably a bit too far north for you I would have thought because they have their parties in places like Hamburg and Hanover and it is a 70+ euro train fare to get back to the NRW to find other AO possibilities.

Hello!

Any news from the legendary Laurateen? It was such a pleasure to come in her pussy full of litter of goo! And Kitty, the redhead who was like a sperms hole from spermagames!

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1920263]It was GB01. So I should really have posted it in the dedicated GB01 thread.[/QUOTE]Which event was it and which girls attended? Was it in Bremen or Hamburg? It sounds like a GB01 winner! On the GB01 web site, it seems like there's a lot of new girls at their events.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1920263]It's probably a bit too far north for you I would have thought because they have their parties in places like Hamburg and Hanover and it is a 70+ euro train fare to get back to the NRW to find other AO possibilities.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, its about 70+ euro in gas driving from NRW as well, but the AO gangbang scene is starting to look good in Hannover.

Myrrh wrote in the Dietzenbach thread.

"Widespread unprotected P4 P sex has been going on for years in Germany however it is only now that the German government has shown any concern.

Why would a country which prides itself on the freedom of the individual, and in which prostitution is totally legal and fully integrated into society, suddenly rush out laws forbidding someone from making any financial agreement with another person to have sex without condoms?

What have they seen? What do they now know?

Because most people don't test, and don't know what they have, there is always a delayed effect before true HIV infection rates are translated into the official figures.

Looking back we think people were totally nuts to think that they could bare fuck as much as they like with whomever they wanted in the bathhouses of San Francisco in the 1980's with no consequences whatsoever.

Will we be thinking the same about the 2000's for Germany in over 5 years time.

The wages of sin?

As I wrote in the Dietzenbach thread.

"It is true that HIV rates are rising, by over 10% a year in Germany.

Statistics can hide or illuminate truth. So far as I can establish the rise is primarily amongst gay and bisexual men, with the added momentum of "breeding".

The minority of the rise is therefore amongst heterosexuals. I don't know what proportion of these have had unprotected sex with prostitutes. So without a further investigation, it is impossible to tell if clubs like Dietzenbach are contributing in any statistical sense to this trend.

So, the statistic is fact, but it's implications can't be easily interpreted.

Of course, unprotected sex raises risk exposure. *.

The question then relates to society's attitude. Should it be banned?, should protective measures like the use of PREP be encouraged?, if action is taken to minimise this risk, how does that relate to the acceptance by society for example of the tens of thousands of deaths annually caused partially at least by car exhaust fumes?

I would only conclude that society's attitude to risk is based on prejudice, vested interests, and ignorance".

I think the reason the German government is banning AO is nothing to do with a realistic assessment of risk, but a political mindset within the SPD, which now wants to ban advertising images where any image of women cannot be justified by the product. In other words an extreme intolerant form of feminism.

There are public health considerations with barebacking, but if these were the real motivation the German government would be banning gay group sex in public venues where the aim of participants is to infect or be infected with HIV.

Man the whole AO forum has died a death.

I'm heading to Berlin Nov 9th - 12th. I like the city and the travel times to the clubs are short even though the city is very spread out. Ill probably do Insomnia, Annie Porsche and Airport Girls. All covered sex clubs of course, although I have had some sneaky AO action in Insomnia, but I wouldn't count on it.

I did consider the cheap AO parties of the NRW but my pal Dublin Mick was at 2 recently and said they were both dire. Plus if I base myself in Dusseldorf there always is a lot of travelling to the parties which are usually a bit of a trek away.

Hey Wanking,

I'll also be in Berlin in November, keeping on the lookout for AO or other interesting events. I'll be sure and post here if anything interesting pops up.

Insomnia is always interesting, if a bit hit or miss. I've had the best luck scoring filthy experiences by trying to dress up a little, shave, and just generally keeping neat and clean.

[URL]http://www.insomnia-berlin.de/partys_party-detail.html?id=470[/URL] looks interesting.

[URL]http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhoSiLPME03Kwz40WR[/URL]

[QUOTE=Wanking;1960156]Any bareback hoors in Hoorrmany as sexy as this one? [URL]http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhoSiLPME03Kwz40WR[/URL][/QUOTE]A bit cruel I'm afraid.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;1960325]A bit cruel I'm afraid.[/QUOTE]Yep I'm a cruel but kind, kind a guy.

I am arriving in Germany in the summer and thought of trying AO. I am not looking for the gangbang parties though but girls that offer it 1 on 1. Do you have any recommendations?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=BCTravel;1963955]I am arriving in Germany in the summer and thought of trying AO. I am not looking for the gangbang parties though but girls that offer it 1 on 1. Do you have any recommendations?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]You obviously haven't RTTF. If you had you would know that you had better get there before July 1st if you want to do AO clubs.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;1964012]You obviously haven't RTTF. If you had you would know that you had better get there before July 1st if you want to do AO clubs.[/QUOTE]Still cannot believe this is happening. No more spermagames, gb01 and co. So sad!

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;1964012]You obviously haven't RTTF. If you had you would know that you had better get there before July 1st if you want to do AO clubs.[/QUOTE]Indeed better visit Germany BEFORE July 1st if you can.

[QUOTE=Gggfan;1964267]Still cannot believe this is happening. No more spermagames, gb01 and co. So sad![/QUOTE]Happily not completely true. Most professional event organisers will officially convert to Movie Production places, where you do NOT pay for the sex, but only for the food, showers, test, etc, so officially no paid sex activities take place. In addition ALL events will require an ID shot of the participants (=actors). In fact this is how it already works at the GB01 events in Stuhr (because of stronger regulation there) and will be copied to all other events. (In German they write there: "Keine Gangbang- oder Sexparty! Wir drehen durchweg eine Auftragsproduktion. Die Teilnahme ist Kostenlos lediglich den Test müsst ihr bezahlen dieser kostet 90 Euro (bei einer Online Anmeldung mindestens 48 Std vor der Produktion) . Etwas zu Essen und zu trinken gibt es natürlich auch .")

Still a real pity, since not all of us like these ID shots, etc. , but at least it is some kind of workaround. For normal RTC / FKK / Saunaclubs it will be more difficult. Many professional girls I spoke about this are not happy at all, since they expect a huge decrease in clients when also BBBJ / OWO if officially forbidden next summer. Probably they will only offer this to well-know clients, but not to people they don't know. And they consider to move to CH or other countries. I know that many mongers from Holland will not take the long ride to Germany anymore, since in Holland you can get covered BJ on every corner.

An end of an era. Let's hope after the election, some brave politician will reverse this shameful law.

[QUOTE=Maxime;1964440]And they consider to move to CH or other countries. I know that many mongers from Holland will not take the long ride to Germany anymore, since in Holland you can get covered BJ on every corner.[/QUOTE]Switzerland is expensive, ouch!, but there are other countries in the frame. At least one of the AO flat rate gangbang parties was moved lock-stock-and-barrel to neighboring BE recently (exactly the same RomBulg girls but unfortunately not the same prices, a 50% uplift compared to the same parties in DE) . Also AT was already well on the road to fast becoming known as the new AO capital of Europe long before all this stuff started happening in DE. So let's not stop the party just quite yet.

[QUOTE=Myrrho Myrrho on the wall]Switzerland is expensive, ouch!, but there are other countries in the frame. At least one of the AO flat rate gangbang parties was moved lock-stock-and-barrel to neighboring BE recently (exactly the same RomBulg girls but unfortunately not the same prices, a 50% uplift compared to the same parties in DE) . Also AT was already well on the road to fast becoming known as the new AO capital of Europe long before all this stuff started happening in DE. So let's not stop the party just quite yet.![/QUOTE]

Well said Myrrho,
Shame the prices are so high in Austria. I remember brief posts about AO being available there back in the early 2000s, long before anything was posted it about on german side of the good forum here. Maybe the prices will drop there if the Sex Tourists start flooding it next year.

I still can't see your posts, but we do work around it.

[QUOTE=Wanking]Well said Myrrho,
Shame the prices are so high in Austria. I remember brief posts about AO being available there back in the early 2000s, long before anything was posted it about on german side of the good forum here. Maybe the prices will drop there if the Sex Tourists start flooding it next year.

I still can't see your posts, but we do work around it..[/QUOTE]I must admit that I haven't been there yet but independent reports all seem to indicate that there is significant AO activity over there with a fairly reliable supply chain.

Unfortunately apart from the high prices there is no where near the same variety compared to bargain basement Germany. You don't get the same myriad AO possibilities of amateur gangbangs, flat rate, film productions, RTCs, saunas, independent girls, and so on.

In Austria the action all appears to be in brothels with brothel type high prices to match. But from what I've read the women are more attractive than the typical RomBulgs you find in RTCs.

It is definitely a case where Germany gets over 1000 times the AO discussion even though it has nowhere near 100 times the AO activity of it's neighbor. The impending German legislation may actually help to tip the balance the other way.

Roll forward 2 years from now with Germany under lock-down everyone will be wondering how this 'emerging' country managed to stay under the AO radar for so long.

I'm new to the AO scene in Germany, I was planning to visit Berlin but it seems like there is virtually no AO events in Berlin, correct? For a newbie, which is the best area to visit?

[QUOTE=Hvendlor;1965675]I'm new to the AO scene in Germany, I was planning to visit Berlin but it seems like there is virtually no AO events in Berlin, correct? For a newbie, which is the best area to visit?[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3419-FKK-Arabella-Villa-Venus-Sauna-Grimberg-NRW-AO-Clubs[/URL]

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1965517]It is definitely a case where Germany gets over 1000 times the AO discussion even though it has nowhere near 100 times the AO activity of it's neighbor. The impending German legislation may actually help to tip the balance the other way.[/QUOTE]The fact that the Germans have quite a huge a video production of AO gangbangs for some years now focusing on AO and cum (gb01, Sperma Studio, GGG / JT, Spermagames, gang-bang-party, etc) must also play a role in the fact that the AO activity is much more discussed and known in Germany that in its neighbooring country.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1964730]Switzerland is expensive, ouch!, but there are other countries in the frame. At least one of the AO flat rate gangbang parties was moved lock-stock-and-barrel to neighboring BE recently (exactly the same RomBulg girls but unfortunately not the same prices, a 50% uplift compared to the same parties in DE) [/QUOTE]If we are talking about the same party, it was raided by the police as they found out it was run by pimps that forced the girls to work there and took their money.

Although prostitution is legal in Belgium, running a brothel is not and it is very difficult to organize a "flat rate" party (AO or not) that is not considered an illegal brothel operation.

Christmas for me means normally being stuck in England with the family enduring long, boring conversations with folk who I see sometimes only once a year and stuffing myself with the same old Christmas food. Everywhere in the UK on Christmas day is closed (shops, restaurants, bars, train stations and taxis charge double the rate) so you have no other choice really than be stuck indoors.

This year I decided to spend Christmas day in Germany and what a difference it made!

I had been in Germany pre-Christmas and had thought of heading back to the UK before Christmas day but I had done some checks and realised that trains were running on Christmas day in Germany and more importantly some of the RTCs were going to be open.

It was a no brainer really. The trains ran with pretty much the same frequency as on normal days, the shops in the train stations were open so you could get food and the taxis charged the normal rates.

I found myself on Christmas day, rather than stuffing myself with the turkey, I was instead stuffing myself inside the turkey. Highlight of my Christmas was turkey basting two young RTC bareback birds on a bed with the most difficult part being in deciding which one to squirt my stored up batter into first.

If only I owned two turkey basters!

This is a good website for info. It seems clear that the law does not envision sting operations (police pretending to be clients), so hopefully that means AO will still happen behind closed doors even if it will no longer be advertised.

[URL]http://www.6profis.de/lp/prostschg/faq.php[/URL]

Hi all,

Are there any non-gangbang AO clubs or one-on-one AO options in the Frankfurt / Hessen area?

Thanks in advance!

[QUOTE=RubMeister100;1982371]Hi all,

Are there any non-gangbang AO clubs or one-on-one AO options in the Frankfurt / Hessen area?

Thanks in advance![/QUOTE][URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3374-FKK-Dietzenbach[/URL]

I have a question to ask which I hope won't result in me being flamed! Is there any club in Hamburg that is similar to FKK Dietzenbach in Frankfurt ie an AO / RTC type club? I've tried doing searches in various threads here on ISG and Google. I'm well aware there are two mainstream FKK Clubs in Hamburg: Atmos & Babylon, but looking out for AO. I will be in Hamburg later this month, Thanks.

[QUOTE=Mac75;1993042]I have a question to ask which I hope won't result in me being flamed! Is there any club in Hamburg that is similar to FKK Dietzenbach in Frankfurt ie an AO / RTC type club? I've tried doing searches in various threads here on ISG and Google. I'm well aware there are two mainstream FKK Clubs in Hamburg: Atmos & Babylon, but looking out for AO. I will be in Hamburg later this month, Thanks.[/QUOTE]I am pretty sure you will not find something like that in Hamburg. But from time to time you can find some AO action in [URL]Catonium.com[/URL] Often arranged by the lovely sexy-[URL]susy.info[/URL] If you check her page, you will see there's a party there on February 27th. That might be what you search for?

There's a great place in Hannover (a little south) called partyfreunde-[URL]nord.com[/URL] It might be worth it for you to check it out?

Happy hunting and don't forget to give us your report.

I would like to ask what AO choices I have in Frankfurt, except from FKK Dietzenbach. Are there any other AO clubs? Are there any individual escorts offering AO? Or any specific women in the RLD offering AO?

[QUOTE=Woodypussy1967;1993378]Are there any other AO clubs? [/QUOTE]No.

[QUOTE=Woodypussy1967;1993378] Or any specific women in the RLD offering AO?[/QUOTE]Reading the forum it seems that AO in RLD is on menu with some girls. I remember someone post about which building have more AO women, try to look here also [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?678-Frankfurt[/URL].

[QUOTE=Woodypussy1967;1993378]I would like to ask what AO choices I have in Frankfurt, except from FKK Dietzenbach. Are there any other AO clubs? Are there any individual escorts offering AO? Or any specific women in the RLD offering AO?[/QUOTE]AO is available in the RLD. Just have to ask somewhat discretely & prepare to walk 1,000's of stairs.

[QUOTE=Mac75;1993042]I have a question to ask which I hope won't result in me being flamed! Is there any club in Hamburg that is similar to FKK Dietzenbach in Frankfurt ie an AO / RTC type club? I've tried doing searches in various threads here on ISG and Google. I'm well aware there are two mainstream FKK Clubs in Hamburg: Atmos & Babylon, but looking out for AO. I will be in Hamburg later this month, Thanks.[/QUOTE]No FKK club like FKK Dietzenbach, but the girls at the apartment / brothel on Brauhausstieg 44 does allow AO.

When I visited in November the prices where:

80 E 30 min.

120 E 60 min.

200 E 120 min.

[URL]https://www.modelle-hamburg.de/en/locations/hamburg/wandsbek/app_brauhausstieg_17891.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Leifeide;1993204]But from time to time you can find some AO action in Catonium [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gabber;1993420]No FKK club like FKK Dietzenbach, but the girls at the apartment / brothel on Brauhausstieg 44 does allow AO [/QUOTE]I will be in Hamburg Mon 20 & Tue 21 Feb. My current plan is to go to Salma De Nora Gangbang (AO) in Catonium on the Mon, then for Tue have to make my mind up. B44 looks interesting for sure but I'd prefer more of a club rather than a brothel. Whatever happens for good or for bad I will post a report in the relevant thread here on ISG. Thanks for the helpful information.

[QUOTE=Mac75;1993042]I have a question to ask which I hope won't result in me being flamed! Is there any club in Hamburg that is similar to FKK Dietzenbach in Frankfurt ie an AO / RTC type club? I've tried doing searches in various threads here on ISG and Google. I'm well aware there are two mainstream FKK Clubs in Hamburg: Atmos & Babylon, but looking out for AO. I will be in Hamburg later this month, Thanks.[/QUOTE]Somewhat similar, at least in terms of price, is Pussycat Girls, but it is more of a Partytreff. I was there a few years ago and wasn't impressed.

Bit off topic. But this a good movie [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbkBesAWFXM[/URL].

Has there ever been a German movie (fiction) made featuring an FKK club or Partytreff? I dont think so.

[QUOTE=Wanking;1995689]Has there ever been a German movie (fiction) made featuring an FKK club or Partytreff? I dont think so.[/QUOTE]I just came across this movie Wanking. I don't know if this involves FKK clubs or Partytreff, but it involves fooking in Berlin anyways. FUCKING Berlin Trailer German Deutsch (2016) - YouTube.

Some great bareback pics in the Thailand section [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2183-Photo-Gallery[/URL].

Btw thanks CeeJay for the headsup about the movie.

[QUOTE=Wanking;1995689]Bit off topic. But this a good movie [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbkBesAWFXM[/URL].
[/QUOTE]A good movie, and probably quite realistic-for a minority of prostitutes. Note that it is a Swedish film, where there is the punish-the-punter law (selling sex is legal; buying isn't) which has many bad side effects. If buying is illegal, no punter can report to the police without damaging himself. If prostitution itself is illegal, the threshold is lower to move into real crime such as trafficking. And if there is no legal market, some (but not most) punters will be attracted to an illegal one.

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;1995967]I just came across this movie Wanking. I don't know if this involves FKK clubs or Partytreff, but it involves fooking in Berlin anyways. FUCKING Berlin Trailer German Deutsch (2016) - YouTube.[/QUOTE]I read the book. I didn't know that there was a movie. It is about a woman from Italy who finances her rent etc (not the university itself, which is free) by sex work while studying mathematics. True story.

Decent copy with English subs [URL]http://xmovies8.tv/movie/fucking-berlin-2016/watching.html[/URL].

I visited the Salma De Nora Gangbang on Monday 20 February in Catonium Club Hamburg. The club was easy to find only 5 minute walk from Stellingen S Bahn station, easily reached from city centre. I arrived at about half one just as the club was opening, the event took place from 2 to 6 pm, paid €150. The event was advertised as Salma De Nora, Julia DeLucia, Sara May and Susi Star. However Salma herself did not show up as apparently she was sick, so she decided to not show up to the event that bore her namesake, poor form really! Also instead of Susi Star there was Chiqui Dulce, who is still a pretty girl in fairness. After the initial HIV testing was completed, they announced everyone had passed and was good to go, are these tests just for show? Just after 2 pm the action kicked off. Throughout the afternoon there was loads of shagging. I shot the load four times, each into the pussy of Sara and Chiqui and then the mouths of Julia and Sara. I really can't fault these three girls, they really went at it and gave 100%, my favorite would have been Sara. The only criticism I would have is that Chiqui's blow job technique was terrible, it wasn't for a lack of trying, it was just like she didn't know what turns a guy on and what doesn't for oral. Her pussy felt real good though I must say! Overall I had an enjoyable afternoon. Would I go to another of these events? If I was in a German city and they were holding one at the time and it was convenient I would go, but I wouldn't go out of my way to go to another. I don't regret going though as I hadn't been to these Spanish gangbangs before and these AO gangbangs have less than five months to live by the looks of it.

Heading to Germany the week of March 6, will be in Stuttgart for two days. Any AO options in Stuttgart? Also I like clubs like Dietzenbach where public sex takes place, any options in that department?

[QUOTE=Mac75;2002380]I visited the Salma De Nora Gangbang on Monday 20 February in Catonium Club Hamburg. The club was easy to find only 5 minute walk from Stellingen S Bahn station, easily reached from city centre. I arrived at about half one just as the club was opening, the event took place from 2 to 6 pm, paid 150. The event was advertised as Salma De Nora, Julia DeLucia, Sara May and Susi Star. However Salma herself did not show up as apparently she was sick, so she decided to not show up to the event that bore her namesake, poor form really! Also instead of Susi Star there was Chiqui Dulce, who is still a pretty girl in fairness. After the initial HIV testing was completed, they announced everyone had passed and was good to go, are these tests just for show? Just after 2 pm the action kicked off. Throughout the afternoon there was loads of shagging. I shot the load four times, each into the pussy of Sara and Chiqui and then the mouths of Julia and Sara. I really can't fault these three girls, they really went at it and gave 100%, my favorite would have been Sara. The only criticism I would have is that Chiqui's blow job technique was terrible, it wasn't for a lack of trying, it was just like she didn't know what turns a guy on and what doesn't for oral. Her pussy felt real good though I must say! Overall I had an enjoyable afternoon. Would I go to another of these events? If I was in a German city and they were holding one at the time and it was convenient I would go, but I wouldn't go out of my way to go to another. I don't regret going though as I hadn't been to these Spanish gangbangs before and these AO gangbangs have less than five months to live by the looks of it.[/QUOTE]Only question I have Mac75, since it was North, was the event crowded and how was the Catonium? Thanks for the report otherwise.

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2002559]Only question I have Mac75, since it was North, was the event crowded and how was the Catonium? Thanks for the report otherwise.[/QUOTE]I thought the Catonium club was a good venue, it reminded me a lot of the Insomnia club in Berlin. It's spacious and clean, the main area where the action takes place has high vaulted ceiling. I never felt the air to be stuffy or hot, which can happen at these gangbangs! I also never felt it was too crowded, some guys came and went, but there was never anymore than say 20 guys at a time, and not all were participating at the same time, so it was easy to get action when needed. I will say though that I reckon because this event was on a Monday that effected the numbers, if on a weekend I would say there would definitely be more guys.

[QUOTE=Mac75;2002380]I visited the Salma De Nora Gangbang on Monday 20 February in Catonium Club Hamburg. snip[/QUOTE]Great report, Mac!

At any time was there one-on-one action or was a continuous gang bang?

[QUOTE=Kurre;2003432]At any time was there one-on-one action or was a continuous gang bang?[/QUOTE]I was able to get one to one action at times, particularly towards the end as the number of guys there was thinning out, I mainly did this with Sara who I liked the most. I was pretty much bonking away like a Duracell drummer bunny till the end, when most other guys batteries had run out!

[QUOTE=Mac75;2003822]I was able to get one to one action at times, particularly towards the end as the number of guys there was thinning out,[/QUOTE]Which is why I gladly reiterate, why I like the gangbangs up North.

When it became clear that the new law was definitely coming into being, and the German sex operators were being given a grace period to put their house in order before the law became operational, I thought that the operators would react in one of two ways.

Either immediately cease the soon to be illicit activity or make the most of the high demand for as long as legally possible from punters who would be desperate to enjoy themselves before it was all taken away.

However there seems to have been a third approach which many of the operators seem to have chosen. Choose a cut off point either 6 months or 3 months in advance of the statute date and after that cut off point make your operation 'legal' according to the impending law.

So as of March at least two high profile pornstar AO gangbang party organisers have announced the last of their AO parties. Similar some RTCs have recently officially banned public AO sex or even banned AO sex altogether. At least one has removed the cards of the girls entirely so there is no obvious evidence of girls being for sale at all. Previously this club was content just to remove references to AO sex on the photo / name cards but now they have removed these cards completely.

Maybe the thinking is that the authorities will go after those first who brazenly carry on as before right up until the new law forces them to change. Whilst those who seem to have voluntarily 'changed' before they needed to will slip under the radar unless evidence is brought to the authorities attention that they are breaking the law.

I was planning to spend the next three months on a barebacking extravaganza so as to get it out of my system. But this looks like it will not be possible now. However I can see their point of view. What represents just a little bit of naughty fun for us punters for the party / club owners represents the real threat of potential jail time and a criminal record. Why risk jail for weeks / months and a massive fine which you won't be able to pay just for a bit of extra profit.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;2016844]I was planning to spend the next three months on a barebacking extravaganza so as to get it out of my system.[/QUOTE]Or [B]into[/B] your system, depending on what you were going to catch.

GM.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;2016844]I was planning to spend the next three months on a barebacking extravaganza so as to get it out of my system. But this looks like it will not be possible now. However I can see their point of view. What represents just a little bit of naughty fun for us punters for the party / club owners represents the real threat of potential jail time and a criminal record. Why risk jail for weeks / months and a massive fine which you won't be able to pay just for a bit of extra profit.[/QUOTE]I was planning to go in February, canceled due to low quality events. This month, I was all ready to go, but actually canceled my plane ticket and hotel and lost money on this one. Now, I might go in May or June depending on the outlook of situation. What started out as maybe 3 trips, might end up being one or none. So much for a last hurrah!

GB01 had a HIV quick test shortage for their event today. Is this an isolated incident or what? According to them, it seems like there's an HIV test supply shortage in Germany. Is this due to high demand, considering what's going to happen on July 1 or is the German government strangling the supply of tests to taper off the AO atmosphere. Either way it's bothersome. Is this it? Is this the end of AO, as we know it?

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2019906]GB01 had a HIV quick test shortage for their event today. Is this an isolated incident or what? According to them, it seems like there's an HIV test supply shortage in Germany. Is this due to high demand, considering what's going to happen on July 1 or is the German government strangling the supply of tests to taper off the AO atmosphere. Either way it's bothersome. Is this it? Is this the end of AO, as we know it?[/QUOTE]In all the years of testing that has been carried out at these events I have yet to observe or hear of any customer failing a single test. I am not sure what this says about the customers or the testing but given this state of affairs I wouldn't worry about a shortfall in the testing unduly.

[QUOTE=WanderingGroo;2025058]The new law was meant to protect the girls from the clubs (and the men) who "force" them to perform BBBJs and AO.

I remember more than a year ago, they used to send undercover cops to pose as tourists (or even claim to be American) to these RTC places just to get the owners in trouble. These cops just seemed out of place and awkward while in these places because they asked a lot of questions and didn't go in the room with any of the girls. I've seen one "in action" during my very first visit to Grimberg (of course, the girls first thought I was an undercover cop until they noticed my German was really bad and my English didn't have any European accent! The cop (right from the start) claimed to be an American (with a British accent) and asked the thekefrau if this place had Alles Ohne even before paying his entry fee!.[/QUOTE]Taken from a FKK thread because guys just don't seem to get it that it is better to discuss pure AO matters in this dedicated AO thread rather than the threads for individual RTC or AO clubs.

My hunch is that the police will not immediately carry out a witch hunt against the RTC or AO clubs but will give them time to get their houses in order and then carry out occasional spot checks, just like what the train ticket inspectors do, and will come down hard (crippling fines, possible prison sentences) on those who are flagrantly flouting the law. So those clubs where they find that unprotected BBBJs are still happening in public, there are no signs forbidding unprotected sex and where the girls don't produce condoms straightaway for sex in the room.

I don't think they will be concerned too much about a private agreement between a prostitute and client in the room. If the authorities do decide to use under cover inspectors then I suspect if they go to the room with the girl and the girl produce a condom and says that it must be used then they will leave it at that. They will not put pressure on the girl or induce her to offer AO by offering more money as that could be classed as entrapment. If the girls are still asking clients whether they want gummi or keine gummi inside the room as they are still doing now then there could be a problem.

So my suspicion is that the default position will become that clubs will instruct girls that they must offer condom only sex and there will probably be a bunch of condoms lying around in every room, which will be different from how things are now where the girls carry condoms in their handbags. If the guy offers to come to a private arrangement with the girl for unprotected sex then that is between the girl and the customer. Nothing to do with the club.

Many / most girls will now only be prepared to offer AO to customers that they know and / or for extra money rather than to complete strangers for free. New visitors to the club could walk away not knowing that AO sex was available. I also suspect that these RTC clubs may become almost 'private member clubs' and will only let in customers that they know or think 'look German'. This works as most of the clientele for these RTCs are locals anyway as Germans don't like to travel far for sex. So the clubs will not really suffer much financially if they don't let in sex tourists. These 'sex tourists' of course are more likely to be undercover inspectors or impressionable individuals who may be shocked by what they see and more likely to want to report it on the internet, to the authorities or the media.

It is only two months to go now until the new law comes in but my advice would be to visit as many of these RTCs as you can before July to get your face known to the club and the girls. From July the clubs may be more particular about which guys they let in and the girls about which guys they offer AO to. Things will start getting back to what they were in a year or two but it is safe to say that the days when you used to see girls getting up from couches after public sex clutching paper napkins to their pussies are probably gone for good.

I thought the law was structured such that the offense is charged to the client not the provider. Does the law even allow for arresting girls for BBBJ?

I spent a night at the AO Hostel in dusseldorf, but I didn't find any AO activity. What a rip off. Don't waste your time here.

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2034592]I spent a night at the AO Hostel in dusseldorf, but I didn't find any AO activity. What a rip off. Don't waste your time here.[/QUOTE]Terrible! And I went to LaLuna and all they could offer me was pepperoni and cheese!

First indications of post 1 July situation.

As expected some gangbangs (2) are now being advertised, but are free and filmed. The women involved would need to pay me to participate as they are very large.

In addition there is an AO Spermastudio event on 7 July.

Here's a translation of parts of the prostitutes-protection law that directly apply to customers; if anybody comes up with a better translation or finds any translation errors, please notify:

Prostitutes-protection law (ProstSchG).

§ 1 Scope of application.

This law has to be applied to the practice of prostitution by Persons over 18 years of age, as well as to the practice of a prostitution business.

§ 2 Definition of terms.

(1) A Sexual Service is a sexual act of at least one Person on or in front of at least one other immediately present Person for recompense, or the allowance of a sexual act on or in front of the own Person for recompense. No Sexual Services are presentations of a solely acting nature, where neither of the other Persons present is actively involved.

(2) Prostitutes are Persons who provide Sexual Services.

§ 32 Condom-duty, ban on advertising.

(1) Male and female customers of prostitutes as well as prostitutes themselves have to see to it that condoms are used during sexual intercourse.

(3) It is prohibited to, via distribution of writings, sound carriers or film carriers, databases, images or presentations, offer, announce or promote opportunities for Sexual Services or issue statements of such content.

1. which give reference to the opportunity for sexual intercourse without condom, even if the reference is given in an indirect or linguistically covered form.

Distribution also includes public display, posting, showing or other public forms of accessibility.

§ 33 Provision concerning fines.

(1) Disorderly acts whoever.

3. contrary to § 32 subsection 1 as male or female customer does not see to it that a condom is used.

(2) Disorderly acts whoever, deliberately or negligent.

14. Contrary to § 32 subsection 3 sentence 1, also in combination with sentence 2, offers, announces or promotes Sexual Services or issues statements of such content as are prohibited therein.

(3) The Administrative Offence can in the cases of subsection 1 number 3 be punished by a fine up to fifty-thousand Euros, in the cases of subsection 2 . Number 14 be punished by a fine up to ten-thousand Euros, . And in the other cases be punished by a fine up to one-thousand Euros.

Original German text:

ProstSchG.

§ 1 Anwendungsbereich.

Dieses Gesetz ist anzuwenden auf die Ausübung der Prostitution durch Personen über 18 Jahre sowie auf das Betreiben eines Prostitutionsgewerbes.

§ 2 Begriffsbestimmungen.

(1) 1 Eine sexuelle Dienstleistung ist eine sexuelle Handlung mindestens einer Person an oder vor mindestens einer anderen unmittelbar anwesenden Person gegen Entgelt oder das Zulassen einer sexuellen Handlung an oder vor der eigenen Person gegen Entgelt. 2 Keine sexuellen Dienstleistungen sind Vorführungen mit ausschließlich darstellerischem Charakter, bei denen keine weitere der anwesenden Personen sexuell aktiv einbezogen ist.

(2) Prostituierte sind Personen, die sexuelle Dienstleistungen erbringen.

§ 32 Kondompflicht, Werbeverbot.

(1) Kunden und Kundinnen von Prostituierten sowie Prostituierte haben dafüare Sorge zu tragen, dass beim Geschlechtsverkehr Kondome verwendet werden.

(3) 1 Es ist verboten, durch Verbreiten von Schriften, Ton- oder Bildträgern, Datenspeichern, Abbildungen oder Darstellungen Gelegenheit zu sexuellen Dienstleistungen anzubieten, anzukündigen oder anzupreisen oder Erklärungen solchen Inhaltes bekannt zu geben.

1. unter Hinweis auf die Gelegenheit zum Geschlechtsverkehr ohne Kondom, auch wenn der Hinweis in mittelbarer oder sprachlich verdeckter Form erfolgt.

2 Dem Verbreiten steht das öffentliche Ausstellen, Anschlagen, Vorführen oder das sonstige öffentliche Zugänglichmachen gleich.

§ 33 Bußgeldverschriften.

(1) Ordnungswidrig handelt, wer.

3. entgegen § 32 Absatz 1 als Kunde oder Kundin nicht dafüare Sorge trägt, dass ein Kondom verwendet wird.

(2) Ordnungswidrig handelt, wer vorsätzlich oder fahrlässig.

14. Entgegen § 32 Absatz 3 Satz 1, auch in Verbindung mit Satz 2, eine sexuelle Dienstleistung anbietet, ankündigt oder anpreist oder eine dort genannte Erklärung bekannt gibt.

(3) Die Ordnungswidrigkeit kann in den Fällen des Absatzes 1 Nummer 3 mit einer Geldbuße bis zu fünfzigtausend Euro, in den Fällen des Absatzes 2 . Nummer 14 mit einer Geldbuße bis zu zehntausend Euro, . Und in den übrigen Fällen mit einer Geldbuße bis zu eintausend Euro geahndet werden.

I'm not sure if § 32 subsection 3 pertains to customers as well. If so, then numbers 2 and 3, which I didn't post and trranslate, woiuld apply as well.

It's entirely possible that posting about BBBJ and AO will actually *increase* their availability. It will create the expectation and demand for condom-free services. Supply will try to meet demand. Individual girls will see other girls are providing BBBJ and AO, and this will encourage them to do the same lest they lose business to the girls who do. Owners will note what other clubs are doing, and more willingly look the other way so they can compete.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2057485]It's entirely possible that posting about BBBJ and AO will actually *increase* their availability. It will create the expectation and demand for condom-free services. Supply will try to meet demand. Individual girls will see other girls are providing BBBJ and AO, and this will encourage them to do the same lest they lose business to the girls who do. Owners will note what other clubs are doing, and more willingly look the other way so they can compete.[/QUOTE]I believe you're really the one whose handle should be "Optimist" LOL!

For people who want to read what the new law is all about in his / her own language:

[URL]http://www.hydra-berlin.de/sexarbeit_von_a_bis_z/infos_zum_neuen_gesetz/information_about_the_new_law/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Maxime;2058072]For people who want to read what the new law is all about in his / her own language:

[URL]http://www.hydra-berlin.de/sexarbeit_von_a_bis_z/infos_zum_neuen_gesetz/information_about_the_new_law/[/URL][/QUOTE]Hi Maxime,

This is very useful. An interpretation / translation by a truly independent source. Far better than relying on selective, seemingly deliberately skewed interpretations by native German speakers who may have their own (not so hidden agendas) of promoting their favourite clubs by heavily implying that only their favourites are fully in compliance with the law and so going to other providers would be dangerous.

[QUOTE=Maxime;2058072]For people who want to read what the new law is all about in his / her own language:

[URL]http://www.hydra-berlin.de/sexarbeit_von_a_bis_z/infos_zum_neuen_gesetz/information_about_the_new_law/[/URL][/QUOTE]See, that's exactly my point. Instead of reading the law itself, you lead people up the garden path with postings like that.

Why do you think I spent almost two hours translating those parts of the ProstSchG thoroughly and as best I could and posted them here? So that everybody could see for themselves what's in there. Now you confront people with this text from Hydra-Berlin, which for the most part should be correct, but contains some mistakes and causes some misunderstandings as well. One of which is " Exceptions are: porn, Peepshows. ". Where does it say anywhere that porn is exempt from the ProstSchG? Porn is only exempt if it's either a one-woman-show with no one else involved (because then the exemption of "solely acting nature" applies) or nobody gets any recompese for sexual acts at all.

So this part of the Hydra-text is capable of being misunderstood, because they didn't define "porn". If recompense is given for porn shootings, the ProstSchG will apply. (And if it wouldn't it would take about 5 more days and we would have 1000's of new Romanian and Biularian porn actresses all over Germany!

Another "hick-up" is this part:

"5. Certain business concepts will not be given permits – such as flat-rate-brothels and gang-bang parties – as they contradict the law of sexual self-determination and encourage exploitation. ".

Where do they get this from? I can't find anything in the ProstSchG that would prohibit flatrate and gangbang per se. So who's going to determine that a gangbang will "contradict the law of sexual self-determination"? Some BureauKraut? And does it not "contradict the law of sexual self-determination" if a woman explicitly wants to do gangbangs and some BureauKraut won't permit it?

Sorry, but stuff like that keeps me from reading such texts and also keeps me from reading anything that the press-titutes write on this matter. I rather read the law itself, because as a saying goes: "Ein Blick ins Gesetz erspart Geschwätz!" (= A look at the law spares you from blabber.).

Paragraphs 1, 2, 32 and 33 are the only ones that apply to customers anyway, so that's why I translated them for your benefit.

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[QUOTE=VitoCorleone;1993398]AO is available in the RLD. Just have to ask somewhat discretely & prepare to walk 1,000's of stairs.[/QUOTE]What does RLD stand for?

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[QUOTE=Kurgan1234;2064526]What does RLD stand for?

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Have just noticed that a few AO girls now are relocated to Austria. Do you think that could be the next ao country for mongers. Is Germany finished with ao. I see that a few are still advertising on certain sites AO available. Also a few gbang party clubs are now changed to swinger clubs, so that maybee a way of getting out of the ao ban. There was one in essen I visited before the ban now changed to a swinger club. What about the rld in duisburg you were always certain to pick up a ao girl there. Is it still possible to get that in Duisburg RLD now? Was planning to go over for a few days in a few weeks time, but not sure now.

[QUOTE=RedBull691;2065210]Have just noticed that a few AO girls now are relocated to Austria. Do you think that could be the next ao country for mongers. Is Germany finished with ao. I see that a few are still advertising on certain sites AO available. Also a few gbang party clubs are now changed to swinger clubs, so that maybee a way of getting out of the ao ban. There was one in essen I visited before the ban now changed to a swinger club. What about the rld in duisburg you were always certain to pick up a ao girl there. Is it still possible to get that in Duisburg RLD now? Was planning to go over for a few days in a few weeks time, but not sure now.[/QUOTE]I recently did several reports under the Germany threads, including Duisburg, and under the La Luna and Dietzenbach threads which might give you some inkling.

Has there been any enforcement of new law yet? Are police conducting stings? Are girls reporting offenders just for asking? I know in the USA they can prosecute just for intending to commit prostitution.

[QUOTE=DFWdude;2065566]Has there been any enforcement of new law yet? Are police conducting stings? Are girls reporting offenders just for asking? I know in the USA they can prosecute just for intending to commit prostitution.[/QUOTE]All I can say is that I have not read of any newspaper reports.

Hello,

Does anyone know of a place in Frankfurt or near Frankfurt that provides AO nuru service (with sex), you can pm me if you prefer. Thank you in advance! If you know of multiple options I will take them all!

Thank you!

[QUOTE=Kurgan1234;2065616]Hello,

Does anyone know of a place in Frankfurt or near Frankfurt that provides AO nuru service (with sex), you can pm me if you prefer. Thank you in advance! If you know of multiple options I will take them all!

Thank you![/QUOTE]I forgot the name of the place but located 163 or 193 Konrad Adenauer strasse. Walking distance from Frankfurt main station.

[QUOTE=VitoCorleone;2065742]I forgot the name of the place but located 163 or 193 Konrad Adenauer strasse. Walking distance from Frankfurt main station.[/QUOTE]Thank you!

I am fluent in English and German and have read both the law in the original and Hydra's English (and German) summary.

[QUOTE=SwingerLover;2058418]Where does it say anywhere that porn is exempt from the ProstSchG? Porn is only exempt if it's either a one-woman-show with no one else involved (because then the exemption of "solely acting nature" applies) or nobody gets any recompese for sexual acts at all.

So this part of the Hydra-text is capable of being misunderstood, because they didn't define "porn". If recompense is given for porn shootings, the ProstSchG will apply. (And if it wouldn't it would take about 5 more days and we would have 1000's of new Romanian and Biularian porn actresses all over Germany!
[/QUOTE]It does exempt porn. Porn is exempt, whether or not the people are paid. One-woman show is irrelevant; "solely acting" means just acting, nothing else, not a solo performance!

[QUOTE=SwingerLover;2058418]
"5. Certain business concepts will not be given permits such as flat-rate-brothels and gang-bang parties as they contradict the law of sexual self-determination and encourage exploitation. ".

Where do they get this from? I can't find anything in the ProstSchG that would prohibit flatrate and gangbang per se. So who's going to determine that a gangbang will "contradict the law of sexual self-determination"? Some BureauKraut? And does it not "contradict the law of sexual self-determination" if a woman explicitly wants to do gangbangs and some BureauKraut won't permit it?
[/QUOTE]Whatever you think about whether flat-rate and gang-bang events contradict self-determination, that is what the law says. Very clearly. Even using these (English) terms.

Note that PartyTreff clubs now offer a certain number of sessions for a certain amount of money. This is the reason. (Yes, usually there are more sessions than one can accomplish, so in practice it is still flat-rate.).

[QUOTE=SvenFKK;2066741]I am fluent in English and German and have read both the law in the original and Hydra's English (and German) summary.

It does exempt porn. Porn is exempt, whether or not the people are paid. One-woman show is irrelevant; "solely acting" means just acting, nothing else, not a solo performance!

Whatever you think about whether flat-rate and gang-bang events contradict self-determination, that is what the law says. Very clearly. Even using these (English) terms.

Note that PartyTreff clubs now offer a certain number of sessions for a certain amount of money. This is the reason. (Yes, usually there are more sessions than one can accomplish, so in practice it is still flat-rate.).[/QUOTE]Thanks for confirming this SvenFKK, exactly as I wrote here and in the SpermaGames thread with even more factual arguments.

It's only been a month since 1st July but already the cold winter chill of change seems to have set in on the AO landscape. Lurid adverts about AO gangbangs and parties have almost completely disappeared from the internet, regular AO posters on this board have gone to ground and any evidence of AO activity in clubs or parties that we normally get from reports have dried up. And this is just a month in.

But is the worst still yet to come?

From what I understand, even though the new law is now in place banning paid AO sex, it is only at the end of the year that other provisions will kick in, like sex workers being forced to register with the authorities. Many will not want to be registered because they don't want to be officially tagged as prostitutes, don't want to pay taxes or don't want to be controlled and monitored. So many will give up the game or go underground and so will be harder to find.

Then as part of the registration process from what I understand the prostitutes, particularly the young ones that are just over 18, will be forced to undergo awareness training about the risks of unsafe sex. These girls are uneducated but not necessarily stupid. Many probably believe that as long as they bidet out their pussies after unprotected sex then they cannot catch HIV and that there is zero risk with BBBJ's.

How many of these girls, most of them with young children, will decide the risk from AO sex is too much to bear when they are told by the doctor that the risks for a woman of catching HIV is 1 in x'00 AO encounters and they realise that this x number is far less than the total number of customers that they on average bareback a year. Or they learn that pretty much all of the sexually transmitted infections that you can get from bareback full sex you can get from BBBJ's.

Maybe the real deadline that we needed to have worried about was the one at the end of the year rather than the middle?

[QUOTE=Myrrh;2068527]... it is only at the end of the year that other provisions will kick in, like sex workers being forced to register with the authorities. Many will not want to be registered because they don't want to be officially tagged as prostitutes, don't want to pay taxes or don't want to be controlled and monitored. So many will give up the game or go underground and so will be harder to find.

Maybe the real deadline that we needed to have worried about was the one at the end of the year rather than the middle?[/QUOTE]That's what I've been most concerned about since this law was passed. From what I hear, AO is still available although no longer talked about. But the registration and "education" requirements may kill 75% of the legal business, just my estimate.

Exactly. That's also been my fear all the way along. Imagine having to carry with you a document which says you are a prostitute, and if you have any encounter with the Police and they check out your background and they find you are a prostitute (maybe data protection laws will prevent the latter scenario).

In addition anyone wanting to open a place for selling sex has to have a permit from the local authorities.

That's a lot of power given to the authorities. The places most likely to prosper are the most boring FKKs. Already it seems to me some FKKs are more like wellness/relax centres, with the sex with girls a bit of a sideshow. It probably will kill of the remaining streetwalker scene and anything which isn't easily regulated.

The German motto of this law seems to be "conform or get out of our country". Sorry to write that as I have vehemently argued against any such stereotyping of Germany, but I am beginning to think Germany is changing for the worse

[QUOTE=Optimist;2068745]
The German motto of this law seems to be "conform or get out of our country". Sorry to write that as I have vehemently argued against any such stereotyping of Germany, but I am beginning to think Germany is changing for the worse[/QUOTE]Whatever you think of this law, in Germany as everywhere else in the world the laws apply to everyone in the country, regardless of citizenship. If you don't like them, you don't have to be there.

[QUOTE=SvenFKK;2072139]Whatever you think of this law, in Germany as everywhere else in the world the laws apply to everyone in the country, regardless of citizenship. If you don't like them, you don't have to be there.[/QUOTE]I agree with what you say. The integrationist model. Immigrants, whilst keeping their own roots, need to abide by the host country's laws (except in cases of infringed rights etc).

However I'm afraid you totally misread my post. Absolutely misread. I said "conform" not " obey laws".You substituted what you think I said for what I actually said hence the misunderstanding. (The misunderstanding was abetted by my spellchecker changing "general" into "German" in the bit you quote: sorry about that

I would never be so stupid as to say, as you suggest some might, that laws in a country only apply to those with certain citizenship.

What I said wasn't that the current German zeitgeist was that immigrants should obey the law; I said it was that anyone staying in Germany was expected to CONFORM. The state is reducing the scope for nonconformity and things which were once acceptable are now being restricted because they don't conform with a myth the state has about the country.

You might argue that I overstate my case, and that might well be. I'd love to know who the dissenting liberal voices are in modern Germany.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;2068527]
How many of these girls, most of them with young children, will decide the risk from AO sex is too much to bear when they are told by the doctor that the risks for a woman of catching HIV is 1 in x'00 AO encounters and they realise that this x number is far less than the total number of customers that they on average bareback a year. [/QUOTE]

It's interesting to work the numbers here. And, yes, I'm using approximations and one can easily find second and third order factors that will throw this off a bit. For example, I'm assuming here only German men are involved. But I think it's a useful approximation nevertheless.

First, the odds of transmission for a positive male to a negative female is 8 in 10,000. So a woman would have to, on average, have unprotected sex with an HIV positive male 1,125 times to become infected.

[URL]https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/nze7qb/hivs-biggest-moves-are-hetero-and-needle-free[/URL]

So what are the odds of a provider having sex with an HIV positive male at all?

Out of a population of 80.5 million Germans in 2009, 86,500 were infected with HIV. So on the average a woman would have to have sex with 930 men to encounter one with HIV.

But this assumes sampling from the general population. In Germany heterosexual transmission is only 20% of the total. So that would make it, on average, 4650 men to encounter one with HIV.

[URL]http://www.ecoi.net/file_upload/1226_1294055368_germany-2010-country-progress-report-en.pdf[/URL]
[URL]https://www.populationpyramid.net/germany/2009/[/URL]

So how many random sessions would a German provider have to have in order to have a 50/50 chance of HIV infection? 1,125 * 4650 = 5,231,250 sessions.

Let's assume 10 sessions per day, 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year. That would still require a provider in Germany working 1437 years to have a 50/50 chance of acquiring HIV.

Reading between the lines of a wave of advertising it seems that gangbang providers are deciding to chance their arm a bit (and I'm not talking about spermagames, spermastudio, and gb01 who we already know about). Given organisers willingness to continue in a very unobtrusive and discreet fashion, I guess it will depend on how the authorities decide to act, or not.

As nobody is offering "AO" then hopefully the politicians will feel they have done their bit. Unless the feminists leading the SPD ministry covering this area go on a crusade

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2072742]

Let's assume 10 sessions per day, 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year. That would still require a provider in Germany working 1437 years to have a 50/50 chance of acquiring HIV.[/QUOTE]Whatever you think about the law, HIV is not the main concern. Disease is only one concern of many.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2072218]
However I'm afraid you totally misread my post. Absolutely misread. I said "conform" not " obey laws".You substituted what you think I said for what I actually said hence the misunderstanding. (The misunderstanding was abetted by my spellchecker changing "general" into "German" in the bit you quote: sorry about that

What I said wasn't that the current German zeitgeist was that immigrants should obey the law; I said it was that anyone staying in Germany was expected to CONFORM. The state is reducing the scope for nonconformity and things which were once acceptable are now being restricted because they don't conform with a myth the state has about the country.
[/QUOTE]You are still wrong. You seem to think that BBBJ is something which immigrants brought to Germany, like Pizza or Sushi, and was unknown in Germany previously. Not true.

Also, compared to neighbouring countries, the pressure to conform is lower in Germany than about everywhere else.

[QUOTE=SvenFKK;2073671]You are still wrong. You seem to think that BBBJ is something which immigrants brought to Germany, like Pizza or Sushi, and was unknown in Germany previously. Not true.

Also, compared to neighbouring countries, the pressure to conform is lower in Germany than about everywhere else.[/QUOTE]

You attribute statements to me which I never said, and would never say, and then tell me I am wrong.

Again, I would never be so stupid as to think what you claim I am thinking. How come you condemn me on the basis of what you think I am thinking?

Shame. It could have been an interesting discussion

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2072742]It's interesting to work the numbers here. And, yes, I'm using approximations and one can easily find second and third order factors that will throw this off a bit. For example, I'm assuming here only German men are involved. But I think it's a useful approximation nevertheless.

First, the odds of transmission for a positive male to a negative female is 8 in 10,000. So a woman would have to, on average, have unprotected sex with an HIV positive male 1,125 times to become infected.

Out of a population of 80.5 million Germans in 2009, 86,500 were infected with HIV. So on the average a woman would have to have sex with 930 men to encounter one with HIV.

But this assumes sampling from the general population. In Germany heterosexual transmission is only 20% of the total. So that would make it, on average, 4650 men to encounter one with HIV.

So how many random sessions would a German provider have to have in order to have a 50/50 chance of HIV infection? 1,125 * 4650 = 5,231,250 sessions.

Let's assume 10 sessions per day, 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year. That would still require a provider in Germany working 1437 years to have a 50/50 chance of acquiring HIV.[/QUOTE]We don't want to re-open the whole HIV circular debate here again, although it looks weird to see someone actually discussing the subject in a thread which is directly related to the topic rather than just using a thread which happens to be the thread of your favourite club.

I have gone from being in a position a few years ago when I was worried sick that I must have caught HIV if a condom slipped off during sex with a sex worker, to regularly visiting AO clubs and not being a nervous wreck when I take HIV tests.

However I have not lost sight of the fact that it is a highly dangerous sport, like motor racing or boxing, and people can die or suffer life changing consequences from indulging in it.

I believe the media and the medical authorities when they say that there have been many cases where girls have been raped and got HIV from that one instance of sex; or that hetero sex is now the primary means of transmission of HIV in the UK (overtaking drugs and gay sex); or that hetero sexual infection rates are very high in several parts of the world. I am not naive enough to accept the arguments of some that it is just an elaborate conspiracy involving the whole of the medical profession.

HIV is probably not the only reason why the German authorities acted in bringing in the new law but I am sure that they wanted to head off a situation occurring like what there is in South Africa or Thailand with a consequential burden on the economic finances of the country.

I have done enough research on the topic to know that when someone has recently contracted HIV then their level of infectiousness goes through the roof, something like 25 times or more the normal rate. Also, if someone has contracted HIV then they most probably would have contracted other STD like gonorrhea or herpes and the HIV virus piggy backs on the back of these viruses to facilitate easier transmission. Guys who are having sex for 30 minutes with several girls in one week (or even one day) most likely will end up with sore dicks with cuts, abrasions and broken skin which again aids transmission.

"a woman would have to, on average, have unprotected sex with an HIV positive male 1,125 times to become infected".

However if you divide that 1125 number by 25 and again by 3 or 4 and then that number by half again you will get to a more realistic (single digit) figure of the number of times that a working girl will have to have sex to be most likely infected if she has sex with guys who have a few of the traits mentioned above.

Sometimes you get perfect storms. Several years back I read confirmed reports of how there was a mini-epidemic of HIV in the UK town of Doncaster which was traced back to one guy who contracted the virus and passed it on to several women who did the same to other guys as part of a promiscuous circle.

The same could happen with any of the well known AO clubs.

It is a question of luck, or lack of it, so the question is how lucky do you feel?

[QUOTE=SvenFKK;2073669]Whatever you think about the law, HIV is not the main concern. Disease is only one concern of many.[/QUOTE]I wanted to respond directly to Myrrh who said:

"How many of these girls, most of them with young children, will decide the risk from AO sex is too much to bear when they are told by the doctor that the risks for a woman of catching HIV is 1 in x'00 AO encounters and they realise that this x number is far less than the total number of customers that they on average bareback a year. ".

In fact this isn't close to true, and the breakeven point is at least 1437 years of 10 sessions a day, every single day.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;2073726]
"a woman would have to, on average, have unprotected sex with an HIV positive male 1,125 times to become infected".

However if you divide that 1125 number by 25 and again by 3 or 4 and then that number by half again you will get to a more realistic (single digit) figure of the number of times that a working girl will have to have sex to be most likely infected if she has sex with guys who have a few of the traits mentioned above.
[/QUOTE]As interesting as the contagion / time curve is, it's irrelevant to the one in 1,125 number. That's a real world empirical measure, and whatever effects there are, they are already baked into the number. So that number is anchored in the real world and doesn't move.

But you also picked an intermediate result out of the middle of the discussion. *Here* is the relevant statement:

"So how many random sessions would a German provider have to have in order to have a 50/50 chance of HIV infection? 1,125 * 4650 = 5,231,250 sessions. ".

Based on this I would not only not worry about AO, I would also encourage guys to buy a lottery ticket whenever they have a session.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;2073726]

I have gone from being in a position a few years ago when I was worried sick that I must have caught HIV if a condom slipped off during sex with a sex worker, to regularly visiting AO clubs and not being a nervous wreck when I take HIV tests.

However I have not lost sight of the fact that it is a highly dangerous sport, like motor racing or boxing, and people can die or suffer life changing consequences from indulging in it.
[/QUOTE]Can't agree more, was in the same boat myself. Went from CBJ to BBBJ with some concern and then moved on from there. At first if AO was given I'd lose the erection with all the thoughts going through my head, now its the other way around. I do think its odd though that people defend AO based on where they receive it geographically speaking. In Germany? That's ok, no diseases here. In Thailand? Your dick is going to fall off any second. Like the guy playing Russian roulette using bullets made in different countries will save him from the dreaded ending.

What's happening here? I still see a lot of advertisements for AO traffic that is supposedly verboten and there's no camera involved. Is there a grace period before these new laws are actually enforced?

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2077018]What's happening here? I still see a lot of advertisements for AO traffic that is supposedly verboten and there's no camera involved. Is there a grace period before these new laws are actually enforced?[/QUOTE]No grace period. People are just trying their luck.

Not sure how to spell the STD's name, but still.

There is not only hiv to worry about. There are some multi-resistent bacteria out there that you don't want to get. How about spending the rest of your life with non-treatable gonorrhea? Or giving the same thing to another person?

If I was a provider, the only thing that might make me go AO, is if I already had something and it was too late to worry anyways.

STD-statistics: Comparing the risk of getting a STD in a AO place with a "normal" situation, is like comparing risk of getting killed in a terrorist attack in Kabul with the risk of same in a suburb in Toronto.

Morally, I am halfway fine with it as long as the girls have made an informed choice. But I have a gut feeling that most of them either don't know the risks, or for some reason feel compelled to do it. Or they already have something.

[QUOTE=Gunnar2000;2077063]
STD-statistics: Comparing the risk of getting a STD in a AO place with a "normal" situation, is like comparing risk of getting killed in a terrorist attack in Kabul with the risk of same in a suburb in Toronto.
[/QUOTE]If that's a reference to my posts below it's worth noting that I was not calculating the odds of a client getting an HIV infection. It's a calculation of how much exposure a provider faces, and how likely it is they would become HIV infected due to their work.

A while a go I was in Belgium participating in and AO event, but before plunging in I overheard a conversation about what all men were taking and what the girls were given to prevent STD. I mean I know the stories about farmers as users of anti biotics as a source for resistant bacteria, I live in an agriculrural part with many farmers among my friends and believe me, the avarage farmers uses less cocktails than what was used among the men and ladies. For some reason I started looking for rubber things.

[QUOTE=Gunnar2000;2077063]

There is not only hiv to worry about. There are some multi-resistent bacteria out there that you don't want to get. How about spending the rest of your life with non-treatable gonorrhea? Or giving the same thing to another person?.[/QUOTE]

SauceHollandaise. I have been thinking a little similarly. With girls taking antibacterials permanently I was wondering about the effect on resistant strains. But I didn't want to get fixated on this since the main contribution I understand to the rise of resistant bacteria (not thinking of gonorrhea here) is the daily use of antibiotics on farms in some parts of the world (excluding outdoor farming in western europe)

As far as I can make out the girls on antibacterial regimes don't seem to get many STDs. Only an impression.

In many of the RTCs (the former AO clubs) many girls takt anit-biotics continously for protection. As discussed before this is very dangerous and can result in resistancy for any bacteria, and if you have bad luck and get that specific one, there is no easy cure anymore!

[QUOTE=Optimist;2077050]No grace period. People are just trying their luck.[/QUOTE]Some people on here have inferred that because they have not been any reports at all of punters or clubs being found to be in infringement of the law, despite anecdotal evidence that some now outlawed practices may be continuing to some degree in some establishments, that this means that the authorities are not really going to enforce the law. The law is a national one but it is up to each state as to how strictly they enforce it. If most states think the law is practically unenforceable or not a high priority then the law could become one that is in name only.

My view would be that the legislatures would look like fools if they spent all that time and money putting a new law on the statute book if they did not enforce it to any degree. Also this law has a high reward (quite high fines) for very little effort ratio (the police are unlikely to come to any physical harm enforcing it as they would do with other laws like preventing football hooliganism).

On my most recent trip I picked up rumours that the authorities are (unofficially) giving the industry a period to put their house in order. So yes, a grace period of sorts.

At the end of the year some other requirements like registration of prostitutes and licensing of sex businesses will come into play. This would be an opportune time for the authorities to ramp up their enforcement. If the police visit a club and the club does not have a current valid licence or some girls are not registered then that is a clear cut situation. Much easier than trying to find conclusive evidence of condoms not being used in rooms.

The consensus seems to be that the German police are not going to copy tactics like undercover and entrapment like in other countries like the US. However they could do unannounced, surprise club raids. As well as checking for licences and registration they could also check for other things like if the club has prominent signs up requiring condom use and that condoms are carried by the girls or are on display in rooms.

What is to stop them bursting in to a room that is in use, as part of their raid, and find a girl and a customer inflagrante with no visible signs of condoms being used.

Policeman: "Stop what you are doing".

Client: "I don't care who you are. I'm not stopping now".

[QUOTE=Myrrh;2084816]Some people on here have inferred that because they have not been any reports at all of punters or clubs being found to be in infringement of the law, despite anecdotal evidence that some now outlawed practices may be continuing to some degree in some establishments, that this means that the authorities are not really going to enforce the law. The law is a national one but it is up to each state as to how strictly they enforce it. If most states think the law is practically unenforceable or not a high priority then the law could become one that is in name only.[/QUOTE]The post July 1 atmosphere is not what I expected. Compared to what was said before the new laws and what has actually happening after, so far, doesn't seem to equal out. Although a lot of what I've been reading seems to support your supposition on the individual states idea on handling these new laws. For example, GB01's events that take place on 10/24/17 and 10/25/17 in NRW and Hannover state 'A photo ID shot is not necessary!" The event in Berlin on 10/16/17 also states no photo ID shot required, but the early event in Hannover on 10/02/17 states that a photo ID shot is absolutely necessary, so I'm a little confused there. Is it a typo? Or are a lot of these organizers in survival mode finding creative ways and loop holes to circumvent the new laws? Or is the window slowly closing.

Sorry for the multiple posts, but I figured there are a few different boards where this might be appropriate:

I saw this the other day: [URL]https://www.aohostels.com/en/[/URL].

I don't suppose it means what I hope it means.

[QUOTE=Triptogamont;2123169]

I don't suppose it means what I hope it means.[/QUOTE]It doesn't.

I am very curious about this type of party but I am in Kaiserslautern so the closest location for me is Karlsruhe which I need to find information about the next party. I think is January 25, I hope I get a chance to go there.

I'm not sure where to post my question, so I try over here.

There's an interesting German website ao-huren dot to, with new posts daily. You're allowed to read some 20 or more articles and then you're blocked and requested to register.

However I don't succeed in registering as a new member.

Anybody with more information on that website or on how to register?

I have an account, and I don't remember any particular difficulty or trick in getting one. Do you get through the entire registration sequence? Is it possible a verification email was sent, but then screened out into your junk folder?

[QUOTE=FlurkMan;2126624]I'm not sure where to post my question, so I try over here.

There's an interesting German website ao-huren dot to, with new posts daily. You're allowed to read some 20 or more articles and then you're blocked and requested to register.

However I don't succeed in registering as a new member.

Anybody with more information on that website or on how to register?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2129683]I have an account, and I don't remember any particular difficulty or trick in getting one. Do you get through the entire registration sequence? Is it possible a verification email was sent, but then screened out into your junk folder?[/QUOTE]Thanks for your reaction!

There is no getting through in that reg procedure. Maybe due to the July 1st law?

Could you try to register under a new name just to see what happens? Or anybody else may give it a try.

I myself am not German: maybe the site is closed to new German would be members due to that law.

Thanks for your time.

I can't do that right now, but it would be helpful if you could be specific and describe step by step what you do and at what point you are given an error message. "no getting through" is too vague.

[QUOTE=FlurkMan;2129887]Thanks for your reaction!

There is no getting through in that reg procedure. Maybe due to the July 1st law?

Could you try to register under a new name just to see what happens? Or anybody else may give it a try.

I myself am not German: maybe the site is closed to new German would be members due to that law.

Thanks for your time.[/QUOTE]

Hi,

I have had a look round the forum and not really found a definitive answer so I thought I would ask the question.

Is Alles Ohne still readily available in sex clubs in Germany?

I live in London and I am thinking of driving over to Germany to have some fun for. A few days. I will drive as it gives me flexibility to move around easily. I would prefer to stay to the north and west side of Germany rather than go to say Munich, but if there is somewhere a bit further away with lots of great girls who get continually filled up, I would make the trip.

Thanks in advance.

Mike.

Hi,

I have had a look round the forum and not really found a definitive answer so I thought I would ask the question.

Is Alles Ohne still readily available in sex clubs in Germany?

I live in London and I am thinking of driving over to Germany to have some fun for. A few days. I will drive as it gives me flexibility to move around easily. I would prefer to stay to the north and west side of Germany rather than go to say Munich, but if there is somewhere a bit further away with lots of great girls who get continually filled up, I would make the trip.

Thanks in advance.

Mike.

Hi,

I have had a look round the forum and not really found a definitive answer so I thought I would ask the question.

Is Alles Ohne still readily available in sex clubs in Germany?

I live in London and I am thinking of driving over to Germany to have some fun for. A few days. I will drive as it gives me flexibility to move around easily. I would prefer to stay to the north and west side of Germany rather than go to say Munich, but if there is somewhere a bit further away with lots of great girls who get continually filled up, I would make the trip.

Thanks in advance.

Mike.

The short answer is that yes, it's still available.

The longer answer is that there is more pressure to keep it behind closed doors. For example, some places that used to clearly have AO on offer now have signs saying it's no longer legal. Yet the girls still offer it in the room, often at the same price as before.

Your best bet would be to pick some places that offered it before the new law, and then do a bit of research to see if it's still available. For example, it's generally available at all the traditional RTC clubs. But take note that some guys, wrongly I think, feel it's now a bad thing to report on AO online. That could give the appearance that it's less available than it really is.

My feeling is posting about it will do little harm because the law is unenforcible. The only weight this law has is the weight we allow it to have out of our own irrational fear.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2145008]The short answer is that yes, it's still available.

The longer answer is that there is more pressure to keep it behind closed doors. For example, some places that used to clearly have AO on offer now have signs saying it's no longer legal. Yet the girls still offer it in the room, often at the same price as before.

Your best bet would be to pick some places that offered it before the new law, and then do a bit of research to see if it's still available. For example, it's generally available at all the traditional RTC clubs. But take note that some guys, wrongly I think, feel it's now a bad thing to report on AO online. That could give the appearance that it's less available than it really is.

My feeling is posting about it will do little harm because the law is unenforcible. The only weight this law has is the weight we allow it to have out of our own irrational fear.[/QUOTE]Yes, I can see the logic in not reporting AO meetings.

Please excuse my phone ignorance but what is an RTC Club?

[QUOTE=Chevette;2144812] I would prefer to stay to the north and west side of Germany rather than go to say Munich, but if there is somewhere a bit further away with lots of great girls who get continually filled up, I would make the trip.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]
Why wouldn't you stay North or the North Rhine-Westphalia (Dusseldorf) area, it has always been the strongest place for AO in Germany before the new laws took place and I'm sure it still the best place. Munich to my understanding was always the worst place for AO before and after the new laws kick in.

[QUOTE=Chevette;2145011]Yes, I can see the logic in not reporting AO meetings.

Please excuse my phone ignorance but what is an RTC Club?[/QUOTE]RTC = Rote Teppen Club = Red Carpet club. Many of these clubs have the same owner which is why the girls move back and forth. The Owner used the same red carpet in all the clubs hence the name.

I suggest that you read all about the AO clubs, they have a discussion here and in the FKK Clubs section. Most AO clubs are to the west of Dortmund but you can find AO elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2145202]RTC = Rote Teppen Club = Red Carpet club. Many of these clubs have the same owner which is why the girls move back and forth. The Owner used the same red carpet in all the clubs hence the name.

I suggest that you read all about the AO clubs, they have a discussion here and in the FKK Clubs section. Most AO clubs are to the west of Dortmund but you can find AO elsewhere.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. I will try find a directory for the RTC clubs.

Most of the AO info is pre condom rule so I am reluctant to accept that as still current.

Here is a list that is reasonably up to date, but look for some recent reports.

If anyone has any corrections to this list please respond here.

Grimberg Sauna.
Grimbergstrae 12,45889 Gelsenkirchen, Germany.

Sauna Club Arabella.
Lohrheidestrae 63,44866 Bochum, Germany.

FKK 40 Saunaclub Dietzenbach.
Voltastrae 4, 63128 Dietzenbach, Germany.

FKK Villa Venus.
Konrad-Adenauer-Ring 17,47167 Duisburg-Neumhl, Germany.

FKK Luderland.
Porschestrae 9, 51381 Leverkusen, Germany.

Club LaLuna.
Kautzstrae 9, 47441 Moers, Germany.

FKK Arabella.
Lohrheidestrae 63,44866 Bochum, Germany.

FKK Freude-39.
Freudenbergstrae 39,44809 Bochum, Germany.

FKK Verena.
Kressenweg 6, 44379 Dortmund, Germany.

FKK Annabella (Closed?
Reisertstrae 20,53773 Hennef (Sieg), Germany.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2145378]Here is a list that is reasonably up to date, but look for some recent reports.
If anyone has any corrections to this list please respond here.[/QUOTE]Villa Romantika.
Blitzkuhlenstrae 109,45659 Recklinghausen.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2145378]Here is a list that is reasonably up to date, but look for some recent reports.

If anyone has any corrections to this list please respond here.

Grimberg Sauna.
Grimbergstrae 12,45889 Gelsenkirchen, Germany.

Sauna Club Arabella.
Lohrheidestrae 63,44866 Bochum, Germany..[/QUOTE]Thanks for that. I didn't realise RTC included the FKK clubs. Those are all fairly close to one another.

I see a long weekend away being planned soon.

Also FKK Airport:

[URL]http://www.fkk-airport.com/index.php/home-fkk-airport.html[/URL]

Chaussee 142.

59439 Holzwickede.

So named as it's next to Dortmund Airport. Reports are a little iffy, the place was opened up as part of the RTC chain but I recall that it's been shut down at least once so the owner may have given up on this place. I'd not go there unless I had to be in the immediate area for something else.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2145572]Also FKK Airport:

[URL]http://www.fkk-airport.com/index.php/home-fkk-airport.html[/URL]
[/QUOTE]I heard it's closed now.

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I signed up with premium bukkake, but got very disappointed. After paying 40 euros for a month, you would expect full access and even download facilities. But no, to have full access you need to pay 80 euros. Be warned!

Has anyone attended any Salma De Nora parties since the new laws came in? The only one I was at was February 2017. Any of the adverts I've seen for her recent parties seem light on detail, don't specify price or whether AO or not. Cheers.

Hey guys,

Traveling to Berlin in a month. I heard so much about AO Clubs in Germany and really want to go but I was worried my experience might be different because I'm Asian. I'm 21 and from the US and don't speak any language besides English. I was hoping someone could provide some insight or maybe suggestions for a man like myself.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=AmazingBlimp;2161924]Hey guys,

Traveling to Berlin in a month. I heard so much about AO Clubs in Germany and really want to go but I was worried my experience might be different because I'm Asian. I'm 21 and from the US and don't speak any language besides English. I was hoping someone could provide some insight or maybe suggestions for a man like myself.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]You're too late. AO was made illegal last July. RTFF.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2162328]You're too late. AO was made illegal last July. RTFF.[/QUOTE]Nonsense. Yes there is a new law. No it has not ended AO. For the most part places that had AO available before the law still have AO available. They are just not as vocal about it anymore, and AO action in public areas has been diminished and moved behind closed doors in the rooms. Here is a list of clubs where AO has been available as a predominant option. These are mostly the so called "RTC" Clubs. Other clubs have it too on a catch as catch can basis.

AO Clubs.

Grimberg Sauna.
Grimbergstrae 12,45889 Gelsenkirchen, Germany.

Sauna Club Arabella.
Lohrheidestrae 63,44866 Bochum, Germany.

FKK 40 Saunaclub Dietzenbach.
Voltastrae 4, 63128 Dietzenbach, Germany.

FKK Villa Venus.
Konrad-Adenauer-Ring 17,47167 Duisburg-Neumhl, Germany.

FKK Luderland.
Porschestrae 9, 51381 Leverkusen, Germany.

Club LaLuna.
Kautzstrae 9, 47441 Moers, Germany.

FKK Arabella.
Lohrheidestrae 63,44866 Bochum, Germany.

FKK Freude-39.
Freudenbergstrae 39,44809 Bochum, Germany.

FKK Verena.
Kressenweg 6, 44379 Dortmund, Germany.

FKK Annabella (Probably closed at this time.)
Reisertstrae 20,53773 Hennef (Sieg), Germany.

[QUOTE=AmazingBlimp;2161924]Hey guys,

Traveling to Berlin in a month. I heard so much about AO Clubs in Germany and really want to go but I was worried my experience might be different because I'm Asian. I'm 21 and from the US and don't speak any language besides English. I was hoping someone could provide some insight or maybe suggestions for a man like myself.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]As far as I know there were/are no AO clubs in or near Berlin. If you want AO you need to ask providers direct (maybe difficult if you have no German), or do some internet searching for "AO".

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2162374]
FKK Freude-39.
Freudenbergstrae 39,44809 Bochum, Germany.

FKK Verena.
Kressenweg 6, 44379 Dortmund, Germany.
[/QUOTE]About 1/2 of the girls only allow AO in Freude in my experience based on a few visits.

I couldn't find any A0 in Verena during my one visit last Sept, although I only asked 4 girls.

[QUOTE=AmazingBlimp;2161924]Hey guys,

Traveling to Berlin in a month. I heard so much about AO Clubs in Germany and really want to go but I was worried my experience might be different because I'm Asian. I'm 21 and from the US and don't speak any language besides English. I was hoping someone could provide some insight or maybe suggestions for a man like myself.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Thinking a little more about your needs. You have the advantage of being young so you have some advantage. Do not be depressed by getting information about, for example, Freude and Verena, where AO may or may not be ubiquitous, five hours from Berlin. There may well be no AO Clubs in Berlin but you will find non-club service with perseverance. You don't have PM enabled so I will just refer you to [URL]www.tabulose-huren.com[/URL] where there is German language info.

As Downandup said you will be committing an offence if you do AO, so you may wish to bear this in mind, in the same way as you would not tell a Policeman you were smoking weed. Don't be disheartened though: search and you will find. Many things go on in this world despite laws to stop them.

I would suggest that if you go to Artemis you avoid asking in any direct way for AO: it will get you blacklisted by girls.

As for being asian ethnicity. Well you might meet some mild racism from a few ill-educated girls, but generally you should be fine. Money is what counts (and good behaviour).

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2162630]As far as I know there were/are no AO clubs in or near Berlin. If you want AO you need to ask providers direct (maybe difficult if you have no German), or do some internet searching for "AO".[/QUOTE]The only club-like AO I've heard of in Berlin is the very occasional AO gangbang party. That's what I would look for. These are being adjusted (e. G. Being postured as film shoots. And some really are) to get around the change in laws. They typically have on premises quick HIV testing. But again, these are rarely in Berlin.

There are, no doubt, escorts who can provide AO service. But finding them when you are just there for a few days would be challenging.

I am sure some of you are familiar with the website my dirty hobby dot com. I have been on there the past few week trying to line up a fuck. Most girls seem open to AO and creampie, some even want it filmed. But when you try and pin them down on specifics, they just keep sending endless messages to get you to message back. You pay for all messages. Seems like they are just stringing you along? Has anyone had any success on this?

DFWDude. I haven't used mydirtyhobby as I never thought it very genuine. I rarely read of recommendations for providers from it.

You might get some joy by looking at Eronity: the calendar and the AO group also. Maybe also megalatte. Vienna is of course an option as what you want is advertised and revised there.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2196536] Maybe also megalatte.[/QUOTE]I've been looking at that site and there are a number of ladys that you might want to check out, I've seen some advertise on other sites. The best thing is that they directly advertise AO which is rare. Sexdo ladies can be inferred to be AO if their profile includes a box that says that AO services are no longer advertised. These are the girls that offered AO before. Redlight ladies may offer ++ services which can be searched for.

I'd check out [URL]https://sexdo.com/;[/URL] [URL]https://www.ladies.de/;[/URL] [URL]https://www.kaufmich.com/[/URL] or [URL]https://www.redlight.net[/URL].

[QUOTE=Downandup;2196586]Sexdo ladies can be inferred to be AO if their profile includes a box that says that AO services are no longer advertised. These are the girls that offered AO before.[/QUOTE]As I predicted, sex workers are working around the unenforcible law.

To paraphrase Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park "bareback finds a way. ".

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2197544]As I predicted, sex workers are working around the unenforcible law.

To paraphrase Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park "bareback finds a way. ".[/QUOTE]I doubt that anyone is checking web sites much, yesterday I found a pregnant woman offering ao and that's supposed to be banned too.

OK, I think I have hit all of the Catholic Clubs at least once:

Arabella.

Dietzenbach.

Freude.

Grimberg.

Laluna.

Luderland.

M-Exclusiv.

Romantika.

Venus.

Verena.

What's my prize? You know, besides a raging case of bacteria resistant gonorrhea?

In all seriousness, does anyone know of any others? I have two days left in NRW.

[QUOTE=Triptogamont;2197865]
In all seriousness, does anyone know of any others? I have two days left in NRW.[/QUOTE]There was a place in Hennef called Annabella, but I believe it's been closed for some time. Other than that, and the occasional random AO sex party / gangbang, that's all I know about.

(Reisertstraße 20,53773 Hennef (Sieg)).

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2198149]There was a place in Hennef called Annabella, but I believe it's been closed for some time. Other than that, and the occasional random AO sex party / gangbang, that's all I know about.

(Reisertstrae 20,53773 Hennef (Sieg)).[/QUOTE]Another rtc that did not last long is Airport in Dortmund. If's now Freudenhaus - [URL]https://www.freudenhaus.de/[/URL] but little hope of AO on the menu.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2198311]Another rtc that did not last long is Airport in Dortmund. If's now Freudenhaus - [URL]https://www.freudenhaus.de/[/URL] but little hope of AO on the menu.[/QUOTE]No, this isn't the former RTC Airport in Dortmund, this is the former Pauschalclub Dortmund. This club it has never been an RTC.

RTC Airport http://www.fkk-airport.com/index.php/home-fkk-airport.html is in Chaussee 142 - 59439 Holzwickede
Freudenhaus is located in Zur Alten Kolonie 14a - 59439 Holzwickede

Thus concludes my trip to NRW. Many thanks to those who helped me list the clubs in the area. I hope some of you found the reports interesting or informative or both.

By my count I hit 8 of the 9 clubs in the area. Freude x2, Grimberg, Laluna x3, Luderland, M-Exclusiv, Romantika, Venus x2, Verena. The only one I skipped was Arabella, mostly because I was not impressed with their lineup the last time I was there. And by the last 3-4 days of my trip, they were not doing any happy hours, so I went elsewhere. Overall, I had a good time. Would like to have met up with some ISG members, but either you guys are not around, or are too shy.

Now I'm back in the States and wondering when I'll be back in Germany again.

Happy reading, and hopefully I'll be posting again soon. We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.

Took train from Amsterdam last week to visit Freude 39. Checked their website for opening times.

Left at 8 am, 45 min into the 2. 5 HR train someone jumped in front of our train. After sitting on the tracks for 90 min watching the police mull around. They eventually told us they were sending another train. Another long wait. And they dropped us off at a station in middle of nowhere (absolutely freezing).

Apparently not that rare. According to the train website a person jumps / is hit by a train somewhere in Germany at least once a day.

Made my way (eventually to Bochum). Was supposed to arrive by 10:40 am. But it's now 2 pm. I have to get back to AMS within a reasonable time as my GF is waiting.

Take taxi from Bochum to Freude 39, get out, taxi pulls away and of course only then do I see the sign by the door stating it's closed for 'repairs' - and that the girls are spread across three other clubs.

La Luna, Grimberg, Arabella.

Taxi to Arabella, absolutely dire lineup. 6 girls, 12 guys and the doorbell continuously ringing. Only doable girl is Cindy. Have to wait for an hour as of course she's booked. She tries to upsell an hour and pouts when I don't go for it. One of the girls says Freude isn't doing repairs. But it's a problem with license. Go figure.

Not satisfied with one pop, but no other doable girls in Arabella. Now it's 5 pm and I'm halfway between Bochum and Gel. Text for another taxi. Do I go back to Bochum station or on to La Luna?

Taxi shows up and I say Club La Luna. Off we go. (hint: I thought La Luna was far away. It's been awhile since I hit this club) however a quick google search shows it was in Gel. And closer than Grimberg.

20 min (and 20 euro) later we're at La Luna Pizzeria. Rgggg! My bad.

Decide to head for Grimberg as at least I know it.

Grimberg has a few girls from Freude. The skinny one (who seems to hate me), and the small one (ditto). After waiting around for an hour trying to get the small one I just grab someone random. Have a good 20 min and then head back to Amsterdam.

Get home 10:20 pm with some explaining to do. Doh!

Total cost for two shags = 130 rt train, 60 club entry, 80 taxis, 80 girls = 350 euro.

Crap day on trains, and worse in the clubs. The lineups were really dire in NRW. I had planned to go again this week, but might just skip it.

[QUOTE=ElephantBeer;2270890]Took train from Amsterdam last week to visit Freude 39. Checked their website for opening times.

Left at 8 am, 45 min into the 2. 5 HR train someone jumped in front of our train. After sitting on the tracks for 90 min watching the police mull around. They eventually told us they were sending another train. Another long wait. And they dropped us off at a station in middle of nowhere (absolutely freezing).

Apparently not that rare. According to the train website a person jumps / is hit by a train somewhere in Germany at least once a day.

Made my way (eventually to Bochum). Was supposed to arrive by 10:40 am. But it's now 2 pm. I have to get back to AMS within a reasonable time as my GF is waiting.

Take taxi from Bochum to Freude 39, get out, taxi pulls away and of course only then do I see the sign by the door stating it's closed for 'repairs' - and that the girls are spread across three other clubs..[/QUOTE]It's too bad you didn't know f39 was closed.

At Grimberg, tall skinny I assume is Bella & tiny one Alice.

Next time take the train to Venus.

[QUOTE=VitoCorleone;2271327]It's too bad you didn't know f39 was closed.

At Grimberg, tall skinny I assume is Bella & tiny one Alice.

Next time take the train to Venus.[/QUOTE]Hahaha what a brilliant report of a totally disastrous day. I will ROD that for sure.

It's great to have an entertaining report now and again.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2271754]Hahaha what a brilliant report of a totally disastrous day. I will ROD that for sure.

It's great to have an entertaining report now and again.[/QUOTE]This says it all about the quality of the F39 management.

Sounds a bit like the Comedy Capers, though.

One of the advantages of renting a car is that recovery from these kinds of disconnects is much easier. I'll often improvise in the NRW. There are so many options that if one RTC is having a slow day I'll just head out to some other place.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2271965]One of the advantages of renting a car is that recovery from these kinds of disconnects is much easier. I'll often improvise in the NRW. There are so many options that if one RTC is having a slow day I'll just head out to some other place.[/QUOTE]I'll second that! Much easier. Only problem is the traffic where most of the rtc's are located is horrendous!

ElephantBeer. Thanks. It is great to get an honest report about FKK life. I think a lot of us have had days where everything went wrong. More than once I have gone to the wrong address, or turned up the wrong day. Win some, lose some.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2271965]One of the advantages of renting a car is that recovery from these kinds of disconnects is much easier. I'll often improvise in the NRW. There are so many options that if one RTC is having a slow day I'll just head out to some other place.[/QUOTE]Having bounced around NRW a few times, for me, a rental car is mandatory. That being said, it does bring up its own issues. Check the FKK rental car thread.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2272071]ElephantBeer. Thanks. It is great to get an honest report about FKK life. I think a lot of us have had days where everything went wrong. More than once...or turned up the wrong day. Win some, lose some.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]I think I tried Bernds "the day of german unity or whatever it's called"at least twice.

Seems like the thread is definitely dead. What a shame.

I guess it's a consequence of the Protection Act of 2017 (ProstSchG).

[QUOTE=Gggfan;2356088]Seems like the thread is definitely dead. What a shame.

I guess it's a consequence of the Protection Act of 2017 (ProstSchG).[/QUOTE]However all the parties involved have adapted to the new law. But the forum rules prohibit to talk about anything violating the law. It's the major reason.

[QUOTE=FrenchieAtlanti;2356651]However all the parties involved have adapted to the new law. But the forum rules prohibit to talk about anything violating the law. It's the major reason.[/QUOTE]You probably need to have the Section Name changed from German. AO Clubs to something different. You also probably need a few main members posting here. Someone like Swingerlover.

[QUOTE=FrenchieAtlanti;2356651]However all the parties involved have adapted to the new law. But the forum rules prohibit to talk about anything violating the law. It's the major reason.[/QUOTE]Why? This is an international forum. I can somehow understand the fears of the member of German Forums. But Not here. If nobody is talking Anymore and everybody shit in his pants, then mongering subculture will die a slowly death. I wasn't really a contributor But I read this forum for years, and without it I Would not Have started paysex. IT was some great Reports of guys like wanking that Made Me Horny, so we should keep writing about it. At least here.

I made a trip to Luderland yesterday to find the gates closed around noon.

I think all that's left now are the RTC clubs where AO is common and Spermagames parties.

I don't think there is much else. I'm sure there are plenty of little private ao parties organised but we will never know about them.

Also those websites that advertised little commercial parties all seem to be gone now. Fickanzeiger etc.

It's very different now than it was 10 years ago, when there were soo many options, and of course 2017 law change really killed it and then covid.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2693350]I think all that's left now are the RTC clubs where AO is common and Spermagames parties.

I don't think there is much else. I'm sure there are plenty of little private ao parties organised but we will never know about them.

Also those websites that advertised little commercial parties all seem to be gone now. Fickanzeiger etc.

It's very different now than it was 10 years ago, when there were soo many options, and of course 2017 law change really killed it and then covid.[/QUOTE]AO can also be found with the independents if you are willing to work at it. If you go on [URL]sexdo.com[/URL] from outside Germany then you can find a number of girls offering AO. I tried it and it worked although I'd rather do an RTC.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2693461]AO can also be found with the independents if you are willing to work at it. If you go on [URL]sexdo.com[/URL] from outside Germany then you can find a number of girls offering AO. I tried it and it worked although I'd rather do an RTC.[/QUOTE]I always forget about Independents in Germany, I've never even once done a girl in a private apartment there. Not counting sex parties in private apartments.

Other options would be some girls in Laufthauses like in Frankfurt and Duisburg.

[URL]Seeking.com[/URL] offers good possibility for AO in many countries, and I personally had some good experience with it during Covid. Can be expensive tho.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2687179]I made a trip to Luderland yesterday to find the gates closed around noon.[/QUOTE]And still closed early this week, I've read somewhere.

What a pity.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2693509]I always forget about Independents in Germany, I've never even once done a girl in a private apartment there. Not counting sex parties in private apartments.

Other options would be some girls in Laufthauses like in Frankfurt and Duisburg.

[URL]Seeking.com[/URL] offers good possibility for AO in many countries, and I personally had some good experience with it during Covid. Can be expensive tho.[/QUOTE]There is also: [URL]https://www.ao-escort.net/forumdisplay.php/5-AO-Sex-Deutschland[/URL].

I have found plenty of girls on there that offer it, as well as many girls on ladies. De that offered it, most have reviews. It sometimes takes some work and often times anywhere from 20-50 euros extra, usually if they ask for more than 50 I say no altogether as others do it for less. In my area I have found a few that I repeat as they were better experiences, a lot are just hit or miss.

[QUOTE=JohnBravo83;2702384]There is also: [URL]https://www.ao-escort.net/forumdisplay.php/5-AO-Sex-Deutschland[/URL].

I have found plenty of girls on there that offer it, as well as many girls on ladies. De that offered it, most have reviews. It sometimes takes some work and often times anywhere from 20-50 euros extra, usually if they ask for more than 50 I say no altogether as others do it for less. In my area I have found a few that I repeat as they were better experiences, a lot are just hit or miss.[/QUOTE]Thanks! I found this site also mostly genuine ads by mostly AO girls: [URL]https://www.fick-markt.com/category/deutschland/sie-sucht-ihn-deutschland/[/URL].

Some of the superstars from FKK Dietzenbach (Amira, Diana etc) were listed there during (and even after) Covid lockdowns, and were reachable thru the contact info listed there. Another thing I like about that site is that they list in reverse chronological order, so very easy to find the most recent active girls.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2693350]I think all that's left now are the RTC clubs where AO is common and Spermagames parties.
I don't think there is much else. I'm sure there are plenty of little private ao parties organised but we will never know about them.[/QUOTE]Apart from SG, [b][URL=https://boese-maedchen.com/]Boese Maedchen[/URL][/b] and [b][URL=http://fashion-privatparty.de/]Fashion-Privatkreis[/URL][/b] also organise events weekly
Last time I attended Boese Medchen was in 2017: [b][URL=http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3215-Bareback-AO-Alles-Ohne-Flat-Rate-Clubs-Parties-and-Events&p=2051520#post2051520]report here[/URL][/b].
Last time I attended Fashion-Privatkreis was in 2019, summer before COVID. Two wonderful parties. Just realized that I still did not report it here despite [URL=http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3215-Bareback-AO-Alles-Ohne-Flat-Rate-Clubs-Parties-and-Events&p=2628167&viewfull=1#post2628167] my 19 nov'21 message [/URL] saying I would pencil down my few notes here. Hope to attend one in the coming weeks when in Europe.
Some organisers also in Belgium and NL.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2693350]
Also those websites that advertised little commercial parties all seem to be gone now. Fickanzeiger etc.[/QUOTE]Fick partys offers good listing: [b][URL=https://www.fickpartys.net/sexpartys]Fick Partys[/URL][/b].

[QUOTE=Wanking;2693350]
It's very different now than it was 10 years ago, when there were soo many options, and of course 2017 law change really killed it and then covid.[/QUOTE]So true! And AO [color=green][b]public sex[/b][/color] has disappeared as well (well most public sex has disappeared indeed). Remembering my first Aldi/Dietzenbach visit in 2014 where that girl got creampied on her very first day meters from me in plain sight of the room ([b][URL=http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3374-FKK-Dietzenbach&p=1591714&viewfull=1#post1591714]report here[/URL][/b]).

[QUOTE=Gggfan;2725509]So true! And AO has disappeared as well (well most public sex has disappeared indeed). Remembering my first Aldi/Dietzenbach visit in 2014 where that girl got creampied on her very first day meters from me in plain sight of the room ([b][URL=http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3374-FKK-Dietzenbach&p=1591714&viewfull=1#post1591714]report here[/URL][/b]).[/QUOTE]Back when I was making fairly frequent trips to Germany, I found Dolca Vita-Raubach and, later, Dietzenbach. In both places, AO blow jobs and sometimes AO sex would happen in front of everybody in the lounge. She would reach under your towel or robe and it was off to the races. In a covered environment, you could do the same thing in the flat-rate Partytreffs. BJs were generally AO but sex was covered. They had orgy rooms that were completely wild. I don't recall any group AO sex activities in either FKK. It was public, but 1-1. Those were the good old days!

[QUOTE=Mac75;2159622]Has anyone attended any Salma De Nora parties since the new laws came in? The only one I was at was February 2017. Any of the adverts I've seen for her recent parties seem light on detail, don't specify price or whether AO or not. Cheers.[/QUOTE]Today I had planned to attend the Salma De Nora party in Karlsruhe advertised on [URL]http://www.fickpartys.net/sexpartys.[/URL] I had doubts on the quality, but I have great memories from Sara May from years ago and other parties were out of my reach or did not fit my agenda for the days around.

So the party was supposed to be with Bianca Resa, Sara May, Serena und Salma de Nora in Karlsruhe from 1:00 pm to 5:00 pm. Not much details were given appart from that and the price (180 euros). Had planned to arrive at 1:00 pm sharp. Got delayed by "stau" and arrived at 1:45 pm. I was worried about the attendance (I mean by a very low attendance). Well, to my surprise, when I arrived, you had half a dozen men waiting and the four girls waiting around their car. There seemed to be a problem with the club supposed to host the party. I waited for a good 10/15 minutes when I decided to leave. The girls left also. My very low german did not allow me to understand why it was delayed / cancelled.

[URL=http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1100-Other-FKK-Clubs&p=2835351&viewfull=1#post2835351]Headed to Asia6villa to get the tanks emptied[/URL]

[QUOTE=Gggfan;2835354]Today I had planned to attend the Salma De Nora party in Karlsruhe advertised on [URL]http://www.fickpartys.net/sexpartys.[/URL] I had doubts on the quality, but I have great memories from Sara May from years ago and other parties were out of my reach or did not fit my agenda for the days around.

So the party was supposed to be with Bianca Resa, Sara May, Serena und Salma de Nora in Karlsruhe from 1:00 pm to 5:00 pm. Not much details were given appart from that and the price (180 euros). Had planned to arrive at 1:00 pm sharp. Got delayed by "stau" and arrived at 1:45 pm. I was worried about the attendance (I mean by a very low attendance). Well, to my surprise, when I arrived, you had half a dozen men waiting and the four girls waiting around their car. There seemed to be a problem with the club supposed to host the party. I waited for a good 10/15 minutes when I decided to leave. The girls left also. My very low german did not allow me to understand why it was delayed / cancelled.

[URL=http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1100-Other-FKK-Clubs&p=2835351&viewfull=1#post2835351]Headed to Asia6villa to get the tanks emptied[/URL][/QUOTE]Is [URL]fickpartys.net[/URL] usually reliable? The listings look great but. . .

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2835424]Is [URL]fickpartys.net[/URL] usually reliable? The listings look great but. . .[/QUOTE]It's an ads website so it depends on the organiser mostly. But many parties use it to promote themselves including (but not limited to) very reliable organisers (like SG, p-p-p. Tv formerly known as GB01, BoeseMaedchen and so on).

[QUOTE=Gggfan;2835638]It's an ads website so it depends on the organiser mostly. But many parties use it to promote themselves including (but not limited to) very reliable organisers (like SG, p-p-p. Tv formerly known as GB01, BoeseMaedchen and so on).[/QUOTE]Hey thanks! It was easier to get to the AO GB parties when I lived in DE for a bit. I could just go on impulse. Now I have to plan a trip with lead time for plane tickets. Not that I'the be going just for the party. Anyway thanks!