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You can get world population statistics from the US Census Bureau in various forms. I like the country-by-country summaries that are available at this link <http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/idbsum.html>.
Here is some summary information on the approximate number of young women (aged 17-26 in 2007) in each of the following countries:
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110 Million (China)
108 Million (India)
_21 Million (Indonesia)
_20 Million (United States)
_17 Million (Brazil)
_12 Million (Russia)
_10 Million (Mexico)
8.6 Million (Vietnam)
8.5 Million (Philippines)
5.1 Million (Thailand)
3.8 Million (Colombia)
3.3 Million (Argentina)
3.3 Million (South Korea)
2.5 Million (Peru)
2.3 Million (Venezuela)
2.2 Million (Malaysia)
2.1 Million (Canada)
1.7 Million (Australia)
1.7 Million (Cambodia)
1.3 Million (Chile)
1.3 Million (Ecuador)
0.9 Million (Dominican Republic)
0.8 Million (Cuba)
0.6 Million (El Salvador)
0.4 Million (Costa Rica)
0.3 Million (Singapore)
0.2 Million (Uruguay)
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To get these numbers, I simply added the number of women in the 15-19 and 20-24 age groups. Since those numbers were presented for 2005, I simply assumed these gals are 2 years older in 2007.
The Census Bureau gathers the population data in various other ways as well. Using a regional aggregation for 2005, here are how many women are in the 15-24 age group (17-26 years old in 2007):
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350 Million (Continent of Asia)
313 Million (Asia excluding the Near East)
_51 Million (Latin America and Caribbean)
_49 Million (Continent of Europe)
_40 Million (Continent of North America)
_34 Million (Continent of South America)
_22 Million (North America)
_23 Million (Western Europe)
8.9 Million (Eastern Europe)
2.4 Million (Continent of Oceania)
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I think its interesting to consider the relative number of young women in different countries/regions. It would be interesting to get a breakdown by language group but, from the above, it would seem best for English-speaking mongers to study Mandarin, Indian, Spanish and Portuguese. Of course, such numbers only present a piece of the mongering puzzle. One should also factor in HIV statistics as well as cultural, economic and legal information... along with personal preferences.
Yankee
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]I
Bill Lee and I drove down to Zhuhai from Guangzhou to hook-up with One Wing Low, Santa and AG. I grabbed the Hubei girl anyway. It was all downhill from there. Service was rushed, after which she showered and dressed quickly. I gave her the standard 200 RMB and she threw the money at me. I picked it up and gave it back. She threw it on the floor again. She was pouting and started to tell me that foreigners pay her 300, 400, even 800 sometimes. I kept telling her that I was not them and I pay the same as Asian punters. She got very nasty and refused to leave.
OAH[/QUOTE]
This is the kind of shit that happens when a place becomes popular with foreigners who don't know how much to pay, or they just don't give damn.
Or the other side of the coin is, this is what happens when the girls find out how much they are worth and lets face it that's not good for any of us (on here). So you can blame people for overpaying or you can wake up to the fact that once these girls can demand a higher price they will. Just admit the fact that you don't like inflation, I certainly dont. Unfortantly its controlled by market forces and theres little we can do about it except complain - don't think you can blame anyone though.
[QUOTE=Santa]This is the kind of shit that happens when a place becomes popular with foreigners who don't know how much to pay, or they just don't give damn.[/QUOTE]
Be careful when you enter the US of A with your laptop
[url]http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/10/24/business/laptop.php[/url]
I've been serching the internet for some hotel for my trip in china, and the choice is incredible.
I'm looking for an hotel in shanghai and one in beijin that are not too expensive (On the net I've seen hotel in the 50-60 dollars range) and most of all are girl friendly.
I've seen some hotel here in the forum that are nice, but a bit too much for me, can anyone suggest me some better alternative?
I'll be in hong kong in the middle of april and from there I will go to mainland after few days.
Thank you for all your help.
[QUOTE=Rantandravela] She told me she had the big university English exam coming up, and I agreed to help her with it.
Right before they're about to leave, I have her on my lap, we're kissing and talking, and then somehow she says, "Do you want to come back to my place tonight?"
I say, "Yes."
She says, "Do you want to pay me?"
I was more than a little put-off -
She says, "Of course. Call me."
Has anyone else had experiences like this? Could she actually really be a student who just turns a trick from time to time? Should I meet with her and see if I can close it for free? Is this sort of thing common? Will any girl who will actually put out want money for the favor? I thought they invested far too much time and effort if they were just true professionals.[/QUOTE]
You're kidding right? Asking this question on this forum - Of course a lot of us have experienced this and I would say most of us wouldn't mind one bit! So nice to keep up the pretense that you're only helping out a poor student!
SE Asia Joe
Out of curiosity I had to do this test. The Okamoto 0.03 is quite expensive. Durex has a normal import price.
The conclusion (for me) is that the Okamoto 0.03 is better (and thinner). But the Durex comes close. I will keep the Okamoto 0.03 for those "special" moments and use Durex Featherlite for everydays use.
The girls response on the Okamoto 0.03 is also very positive and they feel the difference too. But frankly, not every girl deserves an Okamoto 0.03 ....
Good to see you taking condoms seriously, DayNight, in the light of this snippet of leisure reading for the bareback brigade over there in China:
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6253807.stm[/url]
Two colleagues have PM'd me to say that the BBC is blacklisted in China. Quite right too, all those repulsive pictures of David Beckham signing his contract, the Chinese can do without that.
But for those who wanted to read the article, to which I was drawing attention in an irresponsible 'gadfly' manner, here is the text:
«««Syphilis rates 'soaring in China'
By Jill McGivering BBC News
A new report published in a leading medical journal suggests China is seeing alarming and rising rates of the sexually transmitted disease, syphilis.
The Lancet reports that China - which virtually eliminated syphilis in the 1960s and 70s - is now seeing the disease return with alarming intensity.
It reveals that reported rates have risen from 0.2 cases per 100,000 in 1993 to 5.7 cases per 100,000 in 2005.
Dramatic intervention is now needed, one of the report's authors says.
The study involved doctors from China's National Centre for STD Control in Nanjing and from the University of North Carolina's School of Medicine.
Dr Myron Cohen, a co-author of the report, described the spread of the disease as "fantastically rapid".
Spreading HIV
The disease is most prevalent amongst those in particular high-risk groups, like commercial sex workers and men who have sex with men. In those groups, as many as one in ten to one in five has syphilis, according to some of China's top specialists.
But syphilis is also spreading quickly in the general population. An area of particular concern is the surge in congenital syphilis - the number of babies born with the disease, after contracting it in utero from infected mothers.
It is reported that about 3,400 Chinese babies are being born each year with congenital syphilis. The figure has risen dramatically since 1991 - by more than 70% each year.
Syphilis is an aggressive and dangerous disease in itself - but Dr Cohen says its rise also has wider implications, giving a sense of the rapid spread of other sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) too.
"If we are seeing syphilis spread, we have to be concerned that other STDs are spreading as well," he told the BBC.
"Also we have reason to believe that syphilis helps to drive HIV. So we have to be concerned that untreated syphilis will amplify the spread of HIV as well."
'Deeply conservative'
So why is there such dramatic spread? It is being fuelled in part by rapid social change.
The large numbers of migrant workers in China, increasing prostitution and more extramarital sex - along with low condom use - are all key factors.
The need to pay for health care now may deter people from getting early tests and treatment.
Chinese society is still deeply conservative with little open discussion about sex at any level.
That severely inhibits the exchange of information at all levels, from within families and sexual relationships to information campaigns in schools, universities and in the media.
There may even be a biological reason too for the rapid rise.
Chinese adults, who are sexually active now, had no exposure to syphilis for decades. Some scientists say that has left today's population with very little immunity to it. »»»
Happy and safe mongering, gentlemen, and if you ever need advice about London or Lisbon, just don your favourite condom and send a PM to Murilloa.
have other people here also had problems using qq these last weeks? the speed of my qq has been totally f*cked up since that earthquake in taiwan end of december (i use qq from abroad).
To balance (compliment?) Murilloa's article, I post this link to another article, of which I shouldn't have been the only one around here to have had first hand experience in China, ha ha... (and I mean extrapolating the article's findings to apply to older students since I'm no fan of high school gals...unless they're willing 18 year olds...)
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070112/od_nm/china_sex_students1_dc[/url]
J
Hello all,
Just found this forum and I must say I am enjoying reading about your exploits and perusing the odd pic or two.
Where I am I don't have very much contact with non chinese people at all. In fact, where I am there ARE no foreigners. I am it. Hahaha. I'm sure you've all experienced the stares etc etc But at least in the main centres the locals have probably seen at least one other foreigner before you. The villagers from round where I am prolly haven't even seen one on TV - IF they have a TV that is :-)
Not only am I a foreigner, I am somewhat gigantic compared to the locals. I am 6 ft 2 and about 280 pounds with size 13 feet. Now I am definately not ugly or completely unattractive but I have to tell you the self confidence has taken a little bit of a knock on account of the open mouthed gawking.
Sheesh, at the supermarket you'd think I was a naked Jackie Chan giving myself a BJ the amount of attention I get. Its all a little freaky as I am used to blending in.
I just want to know what your thoughts are as to what the local WG population might think should I choose to make use of their services. Or even WG's in the main centres... Do you think they will freak out and lock their doors as I approach? Will I have to show them my dick before I get any action to assure them I do not possess a monster cock? Do you think they will charge me an extra giant tax on top of their usual fees? :-) Sheesh, I dunno what to expect and would appreciate your thoughts.
Thanks!
Sounds like you might just have found heaven. Many of us here in Shanghai would kill for that kind of atmosphere. Where the hell are you?
I have not been anywhere like that, but from what I've read, they will be both scared and curious. Find the curious ones and ensure that you are in a private area as by the sound of it, they would be extremely cautious in being seen with you. Might be tough, but good luck and look forward to hearing how you go.
[quote=phil1980]have other people here also had problems using qq these last weeks? the speed of my qq has been totally f*cked up since that earthquake in taiwan end of december (i use qq from abroad).[/quote]
key is, you are abroad. chinese are a bit stingy with buying added bandwidth in these hard times. but for those in china, qq is pretty much the only thing that works.
and qq is a great girl collection tool. i am not using qq for that long, had sex with 3 girls. one girl i will meet soon, next week or so. indicated already that she likes anal sometimes and she doesn't mind to have me try. another one i meet from time to time, but she does not allow intercourse, prefectly ok with me, specially since her oral skills are good and she has a tasty pussy too.
after qq i am really losing interest in the p4p scene,
An interesting article
[url]http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-01/19/content_5625280.htm[/url]
Syphilis rates 'soaring in China'
By Jill McGivering
BBC News
Syphilis is most prevalent amongst those in high-risk groups
A new report published in a leading medical journal suggests China is seeing alarming and rising rates of the sexually transmitted disease, syphilis.
The Lancet reports that China - which virtually eliminated syphilis in the 1960s and 70s - is now seeing the disease return with alarming intensity.
It reveals that reported rates have risen from 0.2 cases per 100,000 in 1993 to 5.7 cases per 100,000 in 2005.
Dr Myron Cohen, a co-author of the report, described the spread of the disease as "fantastically rapid".
Spreading HIV
The disease is most prevalent amongst those in particular high-risk groups, like commercial sex workers and men who have sex with men. In those groups, as many as one in ten to one in five has syphilis, according to some of China's top specialists.
If we are seeing syphilis spread, we have to be concerned that other STDs are spreading as well
Syphilis is an aggressive and dangerous disease in itself - but Dr Cohen says its rise also has wider implications, giving a sense of the rapid spread of other sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) too.
"If we are seeing syphilis spread, we have to be concerned that other STDs are spreading as well," he told the BBC.
"Also we have reason to believe that syphilis helps to drive HIV. So we have to be concerned that untreated syphilis will amplify the spread of HIV as well."
Play it safe guys,
PT
[quote=daynight]key is, you are abroad. chinese are a bit stingy with buying added bandwidth in these hard times. but for those in china, qq is pretty much the only thing that works.
and qq is a great girl collection tool. i am not using qq for that long, had sex with 3 girls. one girl i will meet soon, next week or so. indicated already that she likes anal sometimes and she doesn't mind to have me try. another one i meet from time to time, but she does not allow intercourse, prefectly ok with me, specially since her oral skills are good and she has a tasty pussy too.
after qq i am really losing interest in the p4p scene,[/quote]
ok, but the question still stands. i assume i'm not the only person here who is not in china and uses qq. have others also found the connection speed to be unbelievably slow these last weeks?
for a test, please load love.qq.com and check how fast it takes to build up in the microsoft internet explorer.
i've been using qq from n. america for several years. we're only talking about the chat systems as i can't find enough english on the website to be able to follow. i've been warned about the spread of various worms or viruses through qq, but i've never been affected until last week when i arrived in china.
i got infected with fujacks (check f-secure.com) and now machine doesn't seem to run right. spoolersv.exe keeps auto-starting. my it people say, "we told you so." i'm still not sure i've got rid of it.
the chinese look at me and say, of course you have a virus. this is china. it's normal. everybody's computer has many infections.
as far as speed yes it has been slower this past while from abroad. i attribute it to the cable breaks. much improved now.
as far as turning on qq again while in china to check speed, etc. no thanks! i've had my fun. time for someone else to toftt.
[quote=phil1980]ok, but the question still stands. i assume i'm not the only person here who is not in china and uses qq. have others also found the connection speed to be unbelievably slow these last weeks?
for a test, please load love.qq.com and check how fast it takes to build up in the microsoft internet explorer.[/quote]
[quote=cappy]i've been using qq from n. america for several years. we're only talking about the chat systems as i can't find enough english on the website to be able to follow. i've been warned about the spread of various worms or viruses through qq, but i've never been affected until last week when i arrived in china.
i got infected with fujacks (check f-secure.com) and now machine doesn't seem to run right. spoolersv.exe keeps auto-starting. my it people say, "we told you so." i'm still not sure i've got rid of it.
the chinese look at me and say, of course you have a virus. this is china. it's normal. everybody's computer has many infections.
as far as speed yes it has been slower this past while from abroad. i attribute it to the cable breaks. much improved now.
as far as turning on qq again while in china to check speed, etc. no thanks! i've had my fun. time for someone else to toftt.[/quote]
i had travelled to many part of the world using my qq to communitcate. these countries includes, japan, phillippines, indonesia, india, eastern europe, usa, uk, etc... i had never had problems with speed or not been able to connect to qq.
ag
[quote=ace gallant]i had travelled to many part of the world using my qq to communitcate. these countries includes, japan, phillippines, indonesia, india, eastern europe, usa, uk, etc... i had never had problems with speed or not been able to connect to qq.
ag[/quote]
these last weeks have been maddening to use the qq friendship center or browse the girls qq photo galleries from here. i used to find nice girls there and hope to do so in the future.
as a result of the speed problems on that website i feel frustrated to the point of breaking something. hopefully this issue will be resolved well before summer, when i want to go to china again.
i got infected with same virus and info stealer and worm/delf.ae
most likely, i got it by loading a dvd movie that a friend downloaded off bitcomet.
over 1,000 infected files in a week. most of my .exe files were infected. good thing, i carried the essential programs with me and could reinstall them.
now i'm going to reformat the whole drive and start from scratch again.
good luck to you and those of you out there, make sure your virus is up to date. i use grisoft.com's free av program. caught the viruses from spreading but they did disabled the programs.
bill
[quote=cappy]
i got infected with fujacks (check f-secure.com) and now machine doesn't seem to run right. spoolersv.exe keeps auto-starting. my it people say, "we told you so." i'm still not sure i've got rid of it.
the chinese look at me and say, of course you have a virus. this is china. it's normal. everybody's computer has many infections.
as far as speed yes it has been slower this past while from abroad. i attribute it to the cable breaks. much improved now.
as far as turning on qq again while in china to check speed, etc. no thanks! i've had my fun. time for someone else to toftt.[/quote]
[quote=phil1980]ok, but the question still stands. i assume i'm not the only person here who is not in china and uses qq. have others also found the connection speed to be unbelievably slow these last weeks?
for a test, please load love.qq.com and check how fast it takes to build up in the microsoft internet explorer.[/quote]connections between asia and the us can at times still be slow due to the taiwan quake on dec. 26. 8 underwater cables were damaged and are not repaired as yet. they still hope to solve the problem by the end of this months (chinese hope to solve a problem, that sounds like it will take quite some more time. initially they were talking 2 weeks and haven't done much yet).
[url]http://www.jeffooi.com/2006/12/slow_streamyx_to_us_earthquake.php[/url]
According to my info, a few of our friends and fellow mongers have been arrested today in Bejing, hope the authourities are not to harsh!
Sev
Can you be more specific about the busts?
I took a lady for "longtime" last night and had problems. Her cell phone kept ringing in the morning. The phone was locked and she would not, or could not, turn the damn thing off. She said it was her boyfriend wanting her to go home.
Naturally, I was very pissed off. What should I have done?
[QUOTE=Santa]I took a lady for "longtime" last night and had problems. Her cell phone kept ringing in the morning. The phone was locked and she would not, or could not, turn the damn thing off. She said it was her boyfriend wanting her to go home.
Naturally, I was very pissed off. What should I have done?[/QUOTE]
You could:
The rash way:
1) Smash the phone on the floor.
The gentle way:
2) Remove the Battery from the phone and keep it till she leave.
AG
Santa,
As I see it, you did not have much choice. Did you try to turn off her phone? Did she keep answering it? Did she leave finally?
In these situations, I just chalk the experience up to bad luck and cut my losses. She probably set it up purposely using the calls as an excuse to cut out early, who knows? In any case, when you get into that situation and ask them to stay, their attitude and service always sucks anyway. This is why I almost never do LT unless I know the girl fairly well.
Just my POV.
OAH
[QUOTE=Santa]I took a lady for "longtime" last night and had problems. Her cell phone kept ringing in the morning. The phone was locked and she would not, or could not, turn the damn thing off. She said it was her boyfriend wanting her to go home.
Naturally, I was very pissed off. What should I have done?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Santa]I took a lady for "longtime" last night and had problems. Her cell phone kept ringing in the morning. The phone was locked and she would not, or could not, turn the damn thing off. She said it was her boyfriend wanting her to go home.
Naturally, I was very pissed off. What should I have done?[/QUOTE]Santa,
The same way you were surprised I took my last girl in ZMT LT (and the next morning I realized, that I should not have done it) I was surprised, that you took her LT.
From my POV based on experience, it's always the same: First round very nice, like a GF, you are happy and decide to keep her, then comes the morning and the problems are starting.
My girl was like a gem during the first round, really like a GF and no complaints from her side (pain and so). Then in the morning she refused another round. Refused service, because of pain. Sorry? Pain, but few hours before. You didn't have pain?
I am really curious to know if this also happens to non-caucasians laowai's, to e. G. ABC. Are only we white, "da di di" guys target of such a cheat? Maybe other members can share there experience and ways to avoid it.
How to avoid? I am not sure, if you can avaoid such a situation when you tell them that you don't know if you take her ST or LT not knowing her service. Of course she will do or try her best to get LT. You are happy and decide to keep her and she got what she wanted. LT = more money.
Shouldn't we state clear at the shop, that we will not pay the full LT rate when there is no or not the same service in the morning? Like in the way. "You want LT and so more money? Give the whole time good/same levele of service and you get it. No or bad service in the morning and you only get the ST rate and be happy not to pay my time which I wasted for you by keeping you! "
Maybe we should start with a kind of checklist of services negotiated upfront her mama. Then you tick the service on the list which she gave for your satisfaction.
Or, just start and keep seeing it as it is: We buy service. No or bad service, no or less money. Period. But, we all don't know if this works and maybe which bad reaction this trigger in her.
Comments, welcome!
Santa, as you told me. "Never keep them LT, just only ST and [be]NO[/be] emotions! ". I did it yesterday and I was from my POV satiesfied.
Another choice:
1a) Activate the vibra call function and have fun. Or not, you never know in advance.
LW
I have said before that we should ALWAYS tell the girl to turn off her phone before agreeing to take her. If she cannot turn it off, then do as AG says and ask her to remove the battery.
Her phone was locked.
#1 You do not want others to know where your room is.
#2 You do not want her having a chit-chat while she is working for you.
#3 You do not want her phone ringing while you are having fun.
#4 You do not want someone calling and asking her to hurry.
I failed to do as I teach.
Phones can always be switched off, it's only the girl's unwillingness to do so which will prevent that from happening. Some of the working conditions for these girls are quite tightly controlled, so I accept that some may need to have it on (during a ST or during the first hour or two of a LT).
A phone is never truely 'locked' while the power is on, its only the keypad which is locked. Usually this can be reversed with 2 button presses (one near/below the screen and then another key eg # or *. Its possible the keypad lock had a numerical code but I don't know anyone who bothers with this (only a security code to switch a phone on to use).
If I take a girl LT (which is a rarity for me in China) I don't feel like I own her or have the right to tell her what to do with her phone. Sure if she is chatting away for hours then that is unacceptable and she is not giving you the attention you are paying for.
If the girl is a scammer and has intentions from the beginning to leave early then with or without her phone there is not much you can do about it. I like the girl to feel comfortable and let her do what she likes to keep her happy and the atmosphere in the room positive. Once that atmosphere is broken is damn hard to get it back again!
Sure you don't want people wanting to know your room number, but her minders often need to know where their girl is, how long the girl has gone for etc. I accept the fact that the girl will SMS my room number to her mamasan as soon as she finds out and as long as you are staying in a relatively decent hotel you shouldn't expect any other visitors to your room. The times I have had a visitor it has been quite late and is the friend of the girl wanting her to leave so they can hit the town and party together (which can sometimes be an open invitation to a quick threesome).
Phones can be fun at times when the girl gets a call from her long distance financial supporter and answers it in the middle of fucking you, expressing her undying devotion and faithfulness while at the same time asking him for more money.
P*E*A*C*E!
I have had many gals get called before, during, and after the fucking but I usually don't mind. I understand that they are trying to make money with their pussies and it's in their interest to line up as many cocks in a row as possible. If I have longtime, I ask her to turn it off after getting to the hotel room and she has messaged her mamasan/friends.
Also, if a gal does receive a call during the fucking and she answers it, I always start DATY and/or fingering her and/or anal play and/or something else to playfully show her that answering the phone comes with penalties, ha ha...
J
[QUOTE=Blacklisted][...] These idiots really should read ISG![/QUOTE]Maybe they (members?) are already doing it, but not aware of the reality :D.
We should implement them during our hard job a GPS transmitter - to control their location - and a body position sender - to check if the body is in vertical or horizontal position.
In case she gets "horizontal" you then can push a button and a slight e-shock puts her in a vertical position. Additionally this transmitter can detect any vertical sexual activity by counting up- and downwards movements within a minute and sends an alarm in case its beyond the programmed limit.
Somebody interested in R&D and investing in such gadget? Would be funny to see us with the receiver walking through our life and getting nervous when an alarm appears - red flashlight, horn and so on. :D
But, why going this sophisticated way. Let's have a comeback of the old fashioned "chastity belt" and let's walk with a bunch of keys around. :D
LW
[QUOTE=Blacklisted]Definitely adds to the fun to help them type in some English romantic slush to their 'boyfriends' while fucking them. Doubly hilarious to think this poor sap is probably forking over thousands per month to keep them 'for himself'.
These idiots really should read ISG![/QUOTE]Reminds me of when I knew a girl student at Beida a couple of years ago (2002) and did her in a hotel next to the university after she had shortly before sent away her boyfriend for the evening saying she was "tired".
I wonder what happens if the guy finds out in such a case, I've heard of people being stabbed in China.
[QUOTE=Phil1980]Reminds me of when I knew a girl student at Beida a couple of years ago (2002) and did her in a hotel next to the university after she had shortly before sent away her boyfriend for the evening saying she was "tired".
I wonder what happens if the guy finds out in such a case, I've heard of people being stabbed in China.[/QUOTE]
Some people just want to fool themselves. I have a friend who have been traveling to Philippines, Thailand, China, etc for the past 20 years so he is not a newbe. He is in his late 50s however he really believes that a Philippine student about 20 years old is really in love with him. It just tells you that if someone really wants to live in a dream world, there is nothing you can do about it. Just waiting for the heart break that will come sooner or later.
[QUOTE=Phil1980]I wonder what happens if the guy finds out in such a case, I've heard of people being stabbed in China.[/QUOTE]Better believe it. Asian males could sometimes be a very jealous bunch and top that off with the "male dominating mentality" of the Chinese male and alot can happen. China have a very high rate of wife/women abuse by their husbands or boyfriends.
PT
[QUOTE=Csun213]Some people just want to fool themselves. I have a friend who have been traveling to Philippines, Thailand, China, etc for the past 20 years so he is not a newbe. He is in his late 50s however he really believes that a Philippine student about 20 years old is really in love with him. It just tells you that if someone really wants to live in a dream world, there is nothing you can do about it. Just waiting for the heart break that will come sooner or later.[/QUOTE]
I've found that it has alot to do with the "aging" of the male. Young studs in their mongering days are not as easily entrapped by the female tricks as their minds are not set for the long future ahead. But as they get older they certainly dont get wiser. Its all part of trying to relive their youth and having some pretty thing in their 20's will easily do it.---IMO
PT
I guess the 20 something hottie makes the 50 something dude feel young again, even he is aware that something is amiss. Why not make the most of it anyway, with love and lust sometimes comes heartbreak - all part of the cycle no?
As far as being stabbed, I agree wholeheartedly. If you play around with other dude's girlfriends, and it don't matter which country you're in, you're eventually going to come across some psycho fuck waiting to shiv you.
Best thing is to always lie like a motherfucker. Use a separate phone with an untraceable (*well, for the non professional CIA anyway, sure AG could hunt your ass down if he wanted to!) sim card. In China, you can buy them on the street. Second, don't let them know where you work or live, have a variable routine, take them to places by surprise, and keep an eye out for tails. Also, never go to their place. That's prime stabbing turf.
Most of all, stay safe out there. I've heard of chicks stabbing dudes too, so it ain't just the boyfriend you gotta watch out for.
At least it's not Thailand, where you can get a rusty blade castration free of charge with your latest freebie.
[quote=andreas wang] people get off sexually on all kind of things. boots, heels, lashes, guys, trannies, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url]-play, tentacle-sex-anime ... the list is indefinite.[/quote]oah has developed a serious boot fetish, especially the red ones. there is a scientific explanation for this, it's called classical or pavlovian conditioning.
just as pavlov's dogs became conditioned to the sound of a bell when presented with meat, so too oah has become conditioned to the boots when presented with pussy. he gets the girls to put on the boots and looks down at them while fucking :d now, when he sees the red boots, he begins to salivate and gets horny.
some girls have been classically conditioned to the sight of guys with expensive mobile phones. for them the reinforcement is money.
Stephen Hawking seems to be one of us:
[url]http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2006-06/21/content_622829.htm[/url]
[quote=Stephen Hawking]"Before an audience of 500 at a seminar in Beijing, the wheelchair-bound celebrity cosmologist said, "I like Chinese culture, Chinese food and above all Chinese women. They are beautiful."[/quote]I bet due to his celebrity status he could get all the Chinese pussy he could handle, if he wasn't wheelchair-bound. How this situation must suck for him.
I was wondering if there should be a thread about Freebies. It seems that many senior members may have experiences and stories with girlfriends and freebie wg’s that don’t fall into the category of general mongering. I think the information gained from those types of stories would help the mongering experience for members. Sometimes it seems that telling a freebie story has the undertones of just bragging. That’s just part of human nature, but its still all about sex and gaining knowledge from good or bad experiences, that should enhance our knowledge base. Unless freebies are covered somewhere else and I’m clueless, I would like to read those stories.
was on a trip to the mainland with my so recently, and she accidentally let me in on something new (for me anyway) - she regretted pointing it out to me afterwards lol
there were pink neon signs with these words all over the friggin place, obviously didn't venture inside to check things out. about all i could manage was a peek inside from the doorway - and even then, got a little scolding.
so is this the chinese translation of bbs? i recognize all of the characters but don't understand what it means all strung together (imagine there's a little bit of slang). if i translate literally, means "finished person usage product" which makes absolutely no sense. if i try to translate it into something that makes sense, i'm guessing (1) sex toys or (2) place for happy ending (though if so, sort of implies that the girl is a product)
[quote=neuromancer]was on a trip to the mainland with my so recently, and she accidentally let me in on something new (for me anyway) - she regretted pointing it out to me afterwards lol
there were pink neon signs with these words all over the friggin place, obviously didn't venture inside to check things out. about all i could manage was a peek inside from the doorway - and even then, got a little scolding.
so is this the chinese translation of bbs? i recognize all of the characters but don't understand what it means all strung together (imagine there's a little bit of slang). if i translate literally, means "finished person usage product" which makes absolutely no sense. if i try to translate it into something that makes sense, i'm guessing (1) sex toys or (2) place for happy ending (though if so, sort of implies that the girl is a product)[/quote]this is an adult toy store.
[quote=neuromancer]was on a trip to the mainland with my so recently, and she accidentally let me in on something new (for me anyway) - she regretted pointing it out to me afterwards lol
there were pink neon signs with these words all over the friggin place, obviously didn't venture inside to check things out. about all i could manage was a peek inside from the doorway - and even then, got a little scolding.
so is this the chinese translation of bbs? i recognize all of the characters but don't understand what it means all strung together (imagine there's a little bit of slang). if i translate literally, means "finished person usage product" which makes absolutely no sense. if i try to translate it into something that makes sense, i'm guessing (1) sex toys or (2) place for happy ending (though if so, sort of implies that the girl is a product)[/quote]these are simply shops which are selling adult products (that is an exact translation). so condoms, dildos, potency pills, etc. definitely not bbs or a place to find sex.
Some of you have asked how to get the photos. How does Loso get 100% success.
I think he said before, he takes his large cameras out while they are getting undressed and makes it clear to them he wants pictures. If they refuse, then he politely tells them to get dressed, there will be no service and no money.
Loso, is that correct?
[blue]Gentlemen,
The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.
I have edited this thread to remove all posts that were not directly related to this goal.
Let's get back to the subject.
Thank You,
Jackson[/blue]
I'm not taking sides here and I don't know who is posting what, and I don't care. I just like to have a laugh when I can. Everybody on this board is my friend and I hope to keep it that way.
Took a tour of the redlight areas of Kota Kinabalu, Borneo, Malaysia. Quality is not as good as China and the prices are much higher. Mostly Filapinas and plenty of ladyboys. But it's still a great place for a vacation if you want to get away from the cold. AirAsia is now doing very cheap direct flights from Macau and will soon be doing flights from Shenzhen and Xiamen.
My thanks to ISG member Bariaking and Mr E for show me around. Cool guys!
Does anyone know what happened to the tom.com chat? Can't find it anymore.
Moreover it like to reaccess Asiafriendfinder.com as I used to meet some great freebies thru this site. But it does not work either. Has anyone the same problem?
[QUOTE=Deguo]Does anyone know what happened to the tom.com chat? Can't find it anymore.
Moreover it like to reaccess Asiafriendfinder.com as I used to meet some great freebies thru this site. But it does not work either. Has anyone the same problem?[/QUOTE]
QQ seems to work again, even though they have a new shitty policy of only being allowed to contact 10 girls a day.
[QUOTE=Deguo]Does anyone know what happened to the tom.com chat? Can't find it anymore.
Moreover it like to reaccess Asiafriendfinder.com as I used to meet some great freebies thru this site. But it does not work either. Has anyone the same problem?[/QUOTE]
Übrigens, bist du deutsch? Zwei Deutsche die Chinesinnen mögen, hahaha.
Incidentally, are you German ? Two Germans like the Chinese, hahaha.
[QUOTE=Phil1980]Übrigens, bist du deutsch? Zwei Deutsche die Chinesinnen mögen, hahaha.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Albert Punter]Incidentally, are you German ? Two Germans like the Chinese, hahaha.[/QUOTE]
Yes, and I also like Gong Bao Chicken and Ma Po Doufu, hahaha! Long live China, wansui!
I am traveling to China for the first time next week. I am considering bringing some sensitive business supplies with me which could cause some issues if customs opens up my bag and is inquisitive. I don't want to get into what I am bringing, but I just want to know, in general, how they are. Is is like most countries where about 5% of bags get opened and very few questions are asked, or should I prepared for a tough screening?
[QUOTE=LoveAsian*****s]I am traveling to China for the first time next week. I am considering bringing some sensitive business supplies with me which could cause some issues if customs opens up my bag and is inquisitive. I don't want to get into what I am bringing, but I just want to know, in general, how they are. Is is like most countries where about 5% of bags get opened and very few questions are asked, or should I prepared for a tough screening?[/QUOTE]Inc ase I would just tell them that I am in this line of business and have samples for my supplier to copy. That works in many cases with all kinds of merchandise as long as you don't have many of each.
[QUOTE=LoveAsian*****s]I am traveling to China for the first time next week. I am considering bringing some sensitive business supplies with me which could cause some issues if customs opens up my bag and is inquisitive. I don't want to get into what I am bringing, but I just want to know, in general, how they are. Is is like most countries where about 5% of bags get opened and very few questions are asked, or should I prepared for a tough screening?[/QUOTE]
if you are considering bringing in personal toys... leave them at home. china have many shops that sells them over there. this way you will not get embarass when the custom officer checks your baggage.
china custom officers at airport rarely checks the baggage as you are entering china. they do check carry on as you are leaving china.
good luck
[QUOTE=LoveAsian*****s]I am traveling to China for the first time next week. I am considering bringing some sensitive business supplies with me which could cause some issues if customs opens up my bag and is inquisitive. I don't want to get into what I am bringing, but I just want to know, in general, how they are. Is is like most countries where about 5% of bags get opened and very few questions are asked, or should I prepared for a tough screening?[/QUOTE]
You might have a problem bring it back home. Can you be more specific on what are the items?
China border customs routinely ask you to put your bags on the x-ray machine. If the items you bring show up on their scanner you may have a problem and you will be asked to explain.
If it does not show up there is no checking.
I was taking some machinery supplies and they asked me what it was and I told them I was trying to get a factory to produce them and they cleared me with no problem.
But remember I always go through Hong Kong and they may be more lenient for people coming through Hong Kong.
[QUOTE=Sammon]China border customs routinely ask you to put your bags on the x-ray machine. If the items you bring show up on their scanner you may have a problem and you will be asked to explain.
If it does not show up there is no checking.
I was taking some machinery supplies and they asked me what it was and I told them I was trying to get a factory to produce them and they cleared me with no problem.
But remember I always go through Hong Kong and they may be more lenient for people coming through Hong Kong.[/QUOTE]When you go overland from Hong Kong and have a problem you can always leave your things in customs custody and get them back when you return. I have even managed to carry through HIFI stereos, a Herman Miller Chair and a Colour Laser Printer. Each time they let me open the box, inpected everything and let me pass after some discussion. Once I arrived with 5 new and empty Harddisk drives, there was no way I could convince them, so I took it back the next day. There is a storage fee though. In this case it was 40 RMB. (And I have seen many other people rejected the same day. Just a bad day when they were overactive checking.
A problem arises when that happens when you arrive in an airport where you can't just go back and try another border the same day.
[QUOTE=LoveAsian*****s]I am traveling to China for the first time next week. I am considering bringing some sensitive business supplies with me which could cause some issues if customs opens up my bag and is inquisitive. I don't want to get into what I am bringing, but I just want to know, in general, how they are. Is is like most countries where about 5% of bags get opened and very few questions are asked, or should I prepared for a tough screening?[/QUOTE]
I have never been stopped at Pudong airport. But, that is not to say they won't stop you. I have seen people get inspected.
If by "sensitive" you mean illegal, man, I'd avoid it. If by sensitive you mean embarrassing, don't worry about it. If by sensitive you mean a business trade secret, well, you are probably bringing whatever it is to the wrong country! It'll probably get copied while in transit from the cargo hold to baggage claim! :-)
GM
[quote=gualtier malde]i have never been stopped at pudong airport. but, that is not to say they won't stop you. i have seen people get inspected.
if by "sensitive" you mean illegal, man, i'd avoid it. if by sensitive you mean embarrassing, don't worry about it. if by sensitive you mean a business trade secret, well, you are probably bringing whatever it is to the wrong country! it'll probably get copied while in transit from the cargo hold to baggage claim! :-)
gm[/quote]they stopped me once at pudong and confirep001ed the cheese i had, not recognizing all as cheese, so i could still carry some. no further hazzles. i could have taken it back on leaving though, but as it was cheese, i of course didn't.
[QUOTE=Azn Playa]Yeah looks like it.
Does that mean all of Cockburn's posts have been deleted too?
[/QUOTE]Wow! I did not logon for a few days and I am missing out so much?
It is very interesting to read posts by member AP making a fool out of himself.…Bad news for you Ass Pi; Jackson do not delete facts, he delete bullshit and faming posts. He banned members like you who post faming report under several different nicknames. The bullshitter Santa was referring to is you!
Back to some real information:
The Chinese New Year seems to be a bad time for traveling out for mongering. I had just got into Shenzhen, checked into my hotel 2 hours ago. I took out my list of contact numbers of pimps, mummies and KTV managers; started calling them to see if they are still good on their girl’s supplies. Out of 4 pimps and 4 mummies, only two of them picked up their phone. But unfortunately, one of them told me she is not in this business anymore, and the other told me he has no more girls. Of course when I turned onto the KTV managers, they keep saying, No problems lots of girls in the KTV, although it is Chinese New Year, many pretty girls do not go back for the holidays. I got myself a room booked at the KTV and will see how it goes. Report in later.
Any member wants to meet up to check out Las Vegas KTV later? I intend to go there after dinner at 10pm. PM me please.
Happy New Year to all!
CB
I plan a visit to Jilin province in the September '07 time frame. Can anyone tell me if it is possible to buy 35mm color slide film in China and if it is possible to get it developed and mounted there?
LexLuther
Hi Lex,
Should never count on buying any high-tech supplies on the road, including big cities in Europe, Asia, South America... left alone some podunk town in China. You should pack all the supplies you ever need,or you will waste a lot of time looking and never finding.
Better yet, use digital cameras to save on the high costs of film and processing. The new SLR digital cameras are now equiped with 1Mil pixel sensors, which far exceed the resolution of the finest lenses on the market. So what's the point of using slides? If National Geographic can use digital equipment for their photo shoots, it should be good for most uses, unless one plans to photograph the pubic areas in extreme high-resolution close up -:)).
Anyone with a Vietnamese exwife deserves sympathy and support :-))
[QUOTE=LexLuther]I plan a visit to Jilin province in the September '07 time frame. Can anyone tell me if it is possible to buy 35mm color slide film in China and if it is possible to get it developed and mounted there?
LexLuther[/QUOTE]
i guess when you ask a question in a venue such as this, you are opening yourself up to every crackpot who thinks he knows something. but in the interest of furthering the knowledge of those who are interested in truth, i will say that one wing low's advice, although appreciated, is bullshit.
why i prefer slides over digital is my business. but his knowledge is flawed. the lens is not what determines resolution. any decent lens on the market today is capable of resolving much finer detail than can be captured even using a 10 mega pixel ccd (the device in a digital camera on which the image is captured). the resolution of a particular sensor and how much detail it is capable of showing is a complex issue, beyond the scope of this forum.
but it is generally agreed that digital photography is not quite able to surpass film photography yet. the reason national geo and other publications use digital is not that the quality of the photos is better. the reasons have to do with economics and with speed and ease of transmission of digital images vice images on film.
thanks anyway one wing. but in addition to being a dickhead, you don't know what you are talking about. :)
lexluther
[QUOTE=LexLuther]I plan a visit to Jilin province in the September '07 time frame. Can anyone tell me if it is possible to buy 35mm color slide film in China and if it is possible to get it developed and mounted there?
LexLuther[/QUOTE]The short answer is, I think you should bring the film but developing and mouting should not be too much of a worry.
But I don't know for sure as I have not been to Changchun, the capital of Jilin province, for a few years. I did a quick search and there are a lot of Portrait Studio (ZhaoXiangGuan) listed on the domestic Chinese web search portals. These are the ones that people would go and sit for a portrait and they would do developing and printing on site. I am sure there are 35mm color slide films in the city but would it be there at the shop that you will visit? That seems to be a more relevent question. Another thing you should watch out for is to make sure that the customs at the Chinese border do not zap your film with their powerful detection machine.
[quote=wilde]the short answer is, i think you should bring the film but developing and mouting should not be too much of a worry.
but i don't know for sure as i have not been to changchun, the capital of jilin province, for a few years. i did a quick search and there are a lot of portrait studio (zhaoxiangguan) listed on the domestic chinese web search portals. these are the ones that people would go and sit for a portrait and they would do developing and printing on site. i am sure there are 35mm color slide films in the city but would it be there at the shop that you will visit? that seems to be a more relevent question. another thing you should watch out for is to make sure that the customs at the chinese border do not zap your film with their powerful detection machine.[/quote]lex,
i don't post much; however do have good intentions to my input to you. esp since i feel at times to be an archaic dinosauer, who still uses film, carries the variety of lenses that i prefer etc, etc.
personally, i use kodachrome to enhance colors and generally never exceed 100 asa. personally, i stay in the low 20 and 30 asas. for excellent quality, i suggest that you bring the supply of film you want and have it developed in the us or wherever through kodak approved labs.
for the remainder of films (e. g. ectachrome, etc), china does have labs that can develop, mount, prepare contact sheets, etc. however, this will be in labs in more major cities. the province you are speaking of, i don't have any experience there. obviously, you will have to do some research to find a quality lab. i once asked for a referral from the hotel manager who gave me a referral to a "so-so" lab. results were satisfactory, but not great. i personally suspect the development, bleaching chemicals, were off (out of control limits) at the lab. this note obviously leaves off the typical "mom and pop" and atypical chinese labs for your film
on a personal note, i’m generally in the sichuan and hainan provinces. at a particular point of time, i had needs of a high quality lab. inspiration hit me and i approached a reputable wedding photo shop. i talked with several of the photographers, who indeed use digital photography for their work. many of the photographers are college students and aspiring photography artists. they have the theory of film, lenses, filters and what-not down in schools. however, most of them have never had the chance to use it in the "real working world. " they were fascinated by the camera’s and equipment i had brought with me, special effects that could be done, etc, etc. this led all of us to have a lengthy discussion of pros and con’s of photography of our own styles. this discourse can lead to other nightime ventures e. g. getting your "plowshare cleaned" with a freebie, a night on the town of debauchery. in the end, they gave me a very reputable lab, which i still use when in china. i have had very good work done by this lab. unfortunately, this again brings up the question of locale where you are.
if you are using film to be developed in the us or wherever, when you exit china i suggest:
1. mailing the film out, in lead lined envelopes (easily obtained from any photo supply) and marked with do not x-ray photo film. there still is the chance that it could be confirep001ed for alleged "state secrets. " i generally send so-so genre film out this way and haven’t had any problems over the past five years. be aware that lead linings will not help for the 3000 plus films.
2. have a photo log made (nothing classy), just a small log to show customs in the case that you are stopped and questioned. i have been stopped only once and officials questioned as to film contents. i showed them the log, briefly explained what i had. they passed me through with no further complications. i had larger problems when they examined my photo equipment to insure no duty free and/or restricted items. as a side note, if the photographs are for the cultural aspects of jackson’s photo gallery ("wink-wink"), i don’t have much experience or advice here. this begets two problems;
1) getting the photographs through customs. low wagering odds, but odds nonetheless.
2) having "cultural" aspects of china being developed and having an "eager-beaver" chinese zealot, not making duplicates and/or calling the local police. this is in the distinct realm of reality. i once owned a photo lab. customers would approach me to insure honesty. i would accompany their film through the entire processes to insure that duplicates weren’t made. prior to my ownership from a previous owner, this practice of duplicating by operators/technicians was a routine and not out of the ordinary. "food for thought! "
i hope my perspective helps you a bit. good luck, from one old dinosaur to another dinosaur.
[QUOTE=LexLuther]I plan a visit to Jilin province in the September '07 time frame. Can anyone tell me if it is possible to buy 35mm color slide film in China and if it is possible to get it developed and mounted there?
LexLuther[/QUOTE]Lex,
This a follow-up of the post that I made and didn't cover this aspect. My apologies sir.
IMHO, I personally would bring a supply of film with me. Most esp the fast ASAs. These films become quickly outdated and the results are evident over time since a haze will devlop over time that will be incorporated in the end product. For the low ASAs, I would suggest the same. There are times when film is repackaged, when it has gone beyond the expiration date. You are not really sure how long it has been on the shelf in China or wherever.
I would opt on the side of caution. JMO
[QUOTE=LexLuther]I plan a visit to Jilin province in the September '07 time frame. Can anyone tell me if it is possible to buy 35mm color slide film in China and if it is possible to get it developed and mounted there?
LexLuther[/QUOTE]I don't know about Jilin but I know that slide development is possible in larger, more dedicated photolabs but you may have to ask around. Just ask for "e liu" (E6).
I would not expect to be able to get much selection for film though. Even pro C41 films are hard to find in China. Much better to bring in your own supply or maybe get it shipped in from HK.
[QUOTE=Cockburn]
The Chinese New Year seems to be a bad time for traveling out for mongering. I had just got into Shenzhen, checked into my hotel 2 hours ago. I took out my list of contact numbers of pimps, mummies and KTV managers; started calling them to see if they are still good on their girl’s supplies. Out of 4 pimps and 4 mummies, only two of them picked up their phone. But unfortunately, one of them told me she is not in this business anymore, and the other told me he has no more girls. Of course when I turned onto the KTV managers, they keep saying, No problems lots of girls in the KTV, although it is Chinese New Year, many pretty girls do not go back for the holidays. I got myself a room booked at the KTV and will see how it goes. Report in later.
Any member wants to meet up to check out Las Vegas KTV later? I intend to go there after dinner at 10pm. PM me please.
Happy New Year to all!
CB[/QUOTE]
Huh. I thought you were in Singapore, running your restaurant. I was hoping to hook up with you in San Francisco. You sure get around...
GM
[QUOTE=Gualtier Malde]Huh. I thought you were in Singapore, running your restaurant. I was hoping to hook up with you in San Francisco. You sure get around...
GM[/QUOTE]Hi GM,
All the Chinese Restaurants in Singapore are closed for the holidays. Mine is closed for 5 days. As my family is back in SFO, I was fucking bored and the Air tickets for China is fucking cheap, so I thought I should take the trip and have some fun. AG also sent me a mail asking me to meet up in SFO as he is in West coast right now. Unfortunately I will not be heading back to SFO till late summer.
Reporting in on Shenzhen:
I did not make it to KTV on Saturday night, but I had lots of fun with a streetwalker I picked up outside my hotel. She is a 30 year old from Hunan. She told me that she has no family so that's why she never needs to go home. She also told me that she is in this occupation for over 8 years. When she was 23, she was in debts over gambling and was forced to sell her herself to pay off her debts. She found that this is not a bad occupation as she can enjoy sex and yet she can make money enough to satisfy her gambling needs. I would ask seniors here; is these kind of story common in China? Girls been forced into prostitution because of gambling? It sounds to me that this is a very believable story.
I took some great photo during my sessions with her and will post them as soon as I get a chance to offload them in my computer. She gave me uncovered BJ and CIM. She wanted me to do her bareback but I refused. Overall she was very skillful in all her services. Her massage is that of a professional too! She must have worked in Sauna before I never asked as I was enjoying every moment of her soft touch. She is certainly been in this work for over 8 years! Although her pussy is loose, she has ways to grip my dick with her pussy that made me felt like she had great tight pussy! Her BJ was the best I ever had. I must have cum at least 6 times over the 12 hours session with her! I had never cum so many times in my life!
In my conclusion: After this experience, I would never go for those inexperience or fresh girls anymore, after all, the whole purpose of mongering is to seek enjoyment. I would not had enjoyed it if the girl is not experience as it would had been all work on my side.
CB
[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size]
I was denied boarding a flight for China as I didn't have a visa. I posted the story in the Shanghai board, but my question is more appropriate for this board.
I am debating if I should get a tourist of business visa. I was planning on taking a bunch of business supplies with me and getting a business visa, but since my contact is away for the rest of the week, and I assume he will be quite busy once he returns, it could take a while before I can an ivitation letter from him (which I apparently need for a business visa).
If I apply for a tourist visa in the Philippines (I am a US citizen), will there be any problems that I am traveling alone. Will they think that I am just going to China to bang women and deny my visa? I figure that once you are denied a visa, you will always be denied, so I don't want to make any mistakes.
[QUOTE=Cockburn]Hi GM,
All the Chinese Restaurants in Singapore are closed for the holidays. Mine is closed for 5 days. As my family is back in SFO, I was fucking bored and the Air tickets for China is fucking cheap, so I thought I should take the trip and have some fun. AG also sent me a mail asking me to meet up in SFO as he is in West coast right now. Unfortunately I will not be heading back to SFO till late summer.
Reporting in on Shenzhen:
I did not make it to KTV on Saturday night, but I had lots of fun with a streetwalker I picked up outside my hotel. She is a 30 year old from Hunan. She told me that she has no family so that's why she never needs to go home. She also told me that she is in this occupation for over 8 years. When she was 23, she was in debts over gambling and was forced to sell her herself to pay off her debts. She found that this is not a bad occupation as she can enjoy sex and yet she can make money enough to satisfy her gambling needs. I would ask seniors here; is these kind of story common in China? Girls been forced into prostitution because of gambling? It sounds to me that this is a very believable story.
I took some great photo during my sessions with her and will post them as soon as I get a chance to offload them in my computer. She gave me uncovered BJ and CIM. She wanted me to do her bareback but I refused. Overall she was very skillful in all her services. Her massage is that of a professional too! She must have worked in Sauna before I never asked as I was enjoying every moment of her soft touch. She is certainly been in this work for over 8 years! Although her pussy is loose, she has ways to grip my dick with her pussy that made me felt like she had great tight pussy! Her BJ was the best I ever had. I must have cum at least 6 times over the 12 hours session with her! I had never cum so many times in my life!
In my conclusion: After this experience, I would never go for those inexperience or fresh girls anymore, after all, the whole purpose of mongering is to seek enjoyment. I would not had enjoyed it if the girl is not experience as it would had been all work on my side.
CB
[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size][/QUOTE]
Jackson,
That was a somewhat interesting report and all, but is it really a report of distinction?? What use is it to other mongers? I guess I could search around outside CB's hotel for a "30 year old Hunan woman"...
Wait, I don't know which hotel he stayed at or what the woman looks like or how much he paid (if any)...obviously, give that man a ROD!
J
[QUOTE=Johnnykon666]Jackson,
That was a somewhat interesting report and all, but is it really a report of distinction?? What use is it to other mongers? I guess I could search around outside CB's hotel for a "30 year old Hunan woman"...
Wait, I don't know which hotel he stayed at or what the woman looks like or how much he paid (if any)...obviously, give that man a ROD!
J[/QUOTE]I had received a few PM asking about the same question, sorry that I did not mentioned. Here is the name and address:
The Panglin Hotel
Address:2002 Jiabin Road, Lowu District, Shenzhen
ZipCode:518001
Telephone:0755-25185888
Fax:0755-82229963
By the way Johnny; I had no intention to make my report to the ROD. If help the members fine, if not, forget it! Thanks.
CB
[QUOTE=LoveAsian*****s]I was denied boarding a flight for China as I didn't have a visa. I posted the story in the Shanghai board, but my question is more appropriate for this board.
I am debating if I should get a tourist of business visa. I was planning on taking a bunch of business supplies with me and getting a business visa, but since my contact is away for the rest of the week, and I assume he will be quite busy once he returns, it could take a while before I can an ivitation letter from him (which I apparently need for a business visa).
If I apply for a tourist visa in the Philippines (I am a US citizen), will there be any problems that I am traveling alone. Will they think that I am just going to China to bang women and deny my visa? I figure that once you are denied a visa, you will always be denied, so I don't want to make any mistakes.[/QUOTE]
I've traveled on a tourist visa and a business visa to China. On all occasions I was there for business. I think it is a bureaucratic distinction that means nothing at the border, or in the application process. A business visa means you need a letter of invitation from your company in China. A tourist visa needs nothing.
But if you plan to go to China on business a lot, I suggest getting the invitation letter, and getting the business visa. Once you've done it once or twice, you can easily apply for a longer multi-entry visa (like for a year or more, 30 day limits per visit) that are very convenient.
Good luck!
GM
[QUOTE=Cockburn]I had received a few PM asking about the same question, sorry that I did not mentioned. Here is the name and address:
The Panglin Hotel
Address:2002 Jiabin Road, Lowu District, Shenzhen
ZipCode:518001
Telephone:0755-25185888
Fax:0755-82229963
By the way Johnny; I had no intention to make my report to the ROD. If help the members fine, if not, forget it! Thanks.
CB[/QUOTE]
Hey CB,
Nothing against you. I'm just trying to figure out how Jackson determines what exactly is a ROD...I want RODs to be informative and useful for members but usually when Jackson recommends a report for ROD, more often than not, I'm willing to bet most ISG members are left scratching their heads wondering, "Huh??"...
J
I found the same problem on my last trip. I was there the week before New Years. And almost all my contacts were out of town. (at least most answered my sms..) and the clubs were noticably quieter.
Usually it is good after the New Years.. the girls will need money to make up for what they had to pay for their trip back home.
[QUOTE=Cockburn]Wow! I did not logon for a few days and I am missing out so much?
It is very interesting to read posts by member AP making a fool out of himself.…Bad news for you Ass Pi; Jackson do not delete facts, he delete bullshit and faming posts. He banned members like you who post faming report under several different nicknames. The bullshitter Santa was referring to is you!
Back to some real information:
The Chinese New Year seems to be a bad time for traveling out for mongering. I had just got into Shenzhen, checked into my hotel 2 hours ago. I took out my list of contact numbers of pimps, mummies and KTV managers; started calling them to see if they are still good on their girl’s supplies. Out of 4 pimps and 4 mummies, only two of them picked up their phone. But unfortunately, one of them told me she is not in this business anymore, and the other told me he has no more girls. Of course when I turned onto the KTV managers, they keep saying, No problems lots of girls in the KTV, although it is Chinese New Year, many pretty girls do not go back for the holidays. I got myself a room booked at the KTV and will see how it goes. Report in later.
Any member wants to meet up to check out Las Vegas KTV later? I intend to go there after dinner at 10pm. PM me please.
Happy New Year to all!
CB[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Johnnykon666]Jackson,
That was a somewhat interesting report and all, but is it really a report of distinction?? What use is it to other mongers? I guess I could search around outside CB's hotel for a "30 year old Hunan woman"...
Wait, I don't know which hotel he stayed at or what the woman looks like or how much he paid (if any)...obviously, give that man a ROD!
J[/QUOTE][quote=Johnnykon666]Hey CB,
Nothing against you. I'm just trying to figure out how Jackson determines what exactly is a ROD...I want RODs to be informative and useful for members but usually when Jackson recommends a report for ROD, more often than not, I'm willing to bet most ISG members are left scratching their heads wondering, "Huh??"...
J[/quote][blue]Hi Guys,
Do I really need to keep repeating this over and over again?
Please read the Reports of Distinction FAQ:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php[/url]
[quote]The criteria for qualifying as a Report of Distinction is rather loose. Generally, Reports of Distinction are longer than the standard forum chit-chat, and provide a substantial amount of information, many times in the form of a travel report.
I do not "designate" which reports qualify as ROD's, and potential Reports of Distinction DO NOT need to be first designated as such by me. However, while I am moderating the Regular Member's reports, I will identify any reports that I believe in my opinion should qualify as a ROD. Of course that doesn't guarantee that someone else will post a link to the report in the ROD section, but it's only a suggestion anyway.[/quote]ROD's are not some sort of Badge of Honor, and they confer no special recognition on the poster thereof. RODs are simply reports that are something more than idle chit-chat and perhaps may be of interest to someone. Perhaps that someone is not you. Fine, then don't post a link to it in the ROD thread.
Cockburn's report was a narrative of his experiences in Shenzhen. Perhaps you didn't find his narrative to be informative, but at least he was posting something that some other forum members may have enjoyed. By way of comparison, let me illustrate by example some "reports" that offer little that would be of interest to any forum readers:
[post]566660[/post]
[post]566651[/post]
[post]566492[/post]
Maybe the problem is the title "Reports of Distinction". Maybe I need to change it to something like"
"[i]Reports that are longer than the usual chit-chat and which contain some information or include a narrative of a forum member's experience that may or may not be of interest to some forum readers[/i]".
Unfortunately "RTALTTUCCAWCSIOIANOAFMETMOMNBOITSFM" isn't easy to say or write, so in the mean time we'll just use "ROD", okay?
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
it’s become a condom war (in hk anyway) and i had the opportunity to try out several new condoms recently. as you can see in the pics, there are 4 different condoms that i’ve been using over the past few weeks/months. besides the original okimoto 0.03 condom, i have not seen the other three types available in mainland china. here are my findings:
1. “okimoto 0.03” are undeniably thinner than the average condom and this latex condom has a superior in fit and feel over regular condoms and most premium condoms. some well-endowed mongers have said these are not big enough/too tight but i would guess most guys wouldn’t have any problems. it costs $76 for a 10-pack in hk. some mongers have spotted them in mainland china.
2. “okimoto 0.03 real fit” this latex condom somehow it feels a bit thinner than the original 0.03 and the main feature is the bulbous tip to mimic the shape of a cock’s head. they are noticeably more roomy than the original 0.03 condoms so those who like the 0.03 feel but want a bigger condom can buy this one. not really any different from the original 0.03 besides the new shape of the tip and i would make a repeat purchase since they cost $103 hkd for a 10-pack.
3. “durex avanti ultima” is made from a synthetic material called polyisoprene (not polyurethane) and it didn't feel as thin as the 0.03 condoms when i put it on, but during fucking these condoms felt as sensitive and as thin as the 0.03. the condoms are very comfortable and soft, and after two experiences, i’ve decided that i would choose them over either 0.03 type condoms, they are that good. a 10-pack was $74 hkd, i think.
4. “sagami original 0.02” is also made from some non-latex material and supposed to be 0.02 mm thickness. comes in a fancy package that looks like the mini jelly packs you get at hotels (the curious look on a gal's face when i peeled the foil back from the "jam packing" was so cute). you’ll notice immediately that these are really, really thin. also, the material is somewhat stiff as you unroll it on your cock but after a few seconds of warming up in a pussy, it seems to soften and become form-fitting (i’d compare it to juicy fruit gum, which is initially stiffer than other chewing gums but becomes super-soft and sticky after a few seconds of chewing). overall, this condom is the closest thing to mimicking the feel of wearing no condom at all, so this is the best condom i have ever tried, hands down. really amazing and worth a try for all mongers in my opinion. a 4-pack was $46 hkd so they aren’t cheap but it’s not going to bankrupt you (i assume).
so, from now on, i’ll definitely be using only the avanti ultima or the sagami type condoms. if you have a chance to meet up with me in zhuhai or elsewhere and you haven’t found them where you live, i’ll give you one to try out.
on a related note, i saw a few convenience stores in shenzhen selling a rip-off of the okimoto 0.03…they have some chinese company name, silvery packaging, and “0.05” in large black lettering…ha ha ha, at least they are being honest about the thickness of their inferior condoms that are 66% thicker than the okimotos and 150% thicker than the sagamis...
j
[QUOTE=Johnnykon666]On a related note, I saw a few convenience stores in Shenzhen selling a rip-off of the Okimoto 0.03…they have some Chinese company name, silvery packaging, and “0.05” in large black lettering…ha ha ha, at least they are being honest about the thickness of their inferior condoms that are 66% thicker than the Okimotos and 150% thicker than the Sagamis...
J[/QUOTE]I think the 0.05 are legit, just another company trying to capitalize off of the "thin" market because even JUSCO sells this brand and thats a very reputable store.
Also, I've mentioned it in the Shenzhen threads, you can buy the Okimoto 0.03's in the larger Watson's and Mannings. I get mine from the Watson's in the Diwang Bldg. at 68 rmb per box.
Cheers,
SZE
[QUOTE=Johnnykon666]So, from now on, I’ll definitely be using only the Avanti Ultima or the Sagami type condoms. If you have a chance to meet up with me in Zhuhai or elsewhere and you haven’t found them where you live, I’ll give you one to try out.[/QUOTE]
Brilliant report. I assume that these condoms are foreign devil-size?
[QUOTE=Szexpat]I think the 0.05 are legit, just another company trying to capitalize off of the "thin" market because even JUSCO sells this brand and thats a very reputable store.
Also, I've mentioned it in the Shenzhen threads, you can buy the Okimoto 0.03's in the larger Watson's and Mannings. I get mine from the Watson's in the Diwang Bldg. at 68 rmb per box.
Cheers,
SZE[/QUOTE]
SZE
I'm sure the 0.05 are legit, too, but it's the fact that they are selling the condoms in a silver-metallic box and promoting "0.05" as something special a la Okimoto even though I think the average "1 RMB public wall-dispenser condom" is about 0.05-0.06 mm. I was going to try one out for shits and giggles but the thought of wasting an ejaculation on it convinced me to abandon the thought.
And if you like the 0.03, you need to try the Durex or Sagami brands...it's like the difference between a medium-rare and a medium steak; big enough that you will notice immediately and develop a clear preference for one over the other although either choice wouldn't be a bad thing.
[QUOTE=Crazy Jim Wood]
Brilliant report. I assume that these condoms are foreign devil-size?
[/QUOTE]
I think they all the condoms I reported on are 52 mm diameter which is standard for HK. I assume that if you use other HK condoms and they fit, then these will fit, too.
Do many guys out there have problems fitting the HK condoms? I'm assuming that unless someone has a cock approaching the size of a salami, an average condom should be able to stretch and fit?
J
[QUOTE=Johnnykon666]I think they all the condoms I reported on are 52 mm diameter which is standard for HK. I assume that if you use other HK condoms and they fit, then these will fit, too.
Do many guys out there have problems fitting the HK condoms? I'm assuming that unless someone has a cock approaching the size of a salami, an average condom should be able to stretch and fit?
J[/QUOTE]
I am far from being "hung like a salami", mine is more like a "Cocktail Weiner", but I do find Chinese condoms to be a tad bit uncomfortable and even the 0.03's are a little hard to get off once I've done the business. I'm not talking pass out from loss of blood to my tool uncomfortable, but on average, us foreign devils maybe a little more endowed then our Chinese brothers.
-SZE
I have an AFF account but I have never been able to access it in China. How do you guys manage to keep updated and in contact with your girls? Other than making all the arrangements prior to entering China?
Any ideas on how to access AFF in China?
[QUOTE=Unknown One]I have an AFF account but I have never been able to access it in China. How do you guys manage to keep updated and in contact with your girls? Other than making all the arrangements prior to entering China?
Any ideas on how to access AFF in China?[/QUOTE]You need to access through the Chinese URL:
[url]http://asiafind.com[/url]
I'm sure there are many of these but I stumbled across this one which seems quite active. It's stocked with information by locals. The downside is that it's all in Chinese. But, like I said, well stocked by locals.
[url]http://www.reyhu.com/bbs[/url]
[blue]Greetings Everyone,
I recently cleaned up this thread by deleting a number of off-topic and otherwise worthless posts by Azn Playa, as well as a number responses made by other forum members to these deleted posts.
This cleanup process is not perfect, and it's possible that I may have inadvertently deleted a few otherwise legitimate posts. If you find that your own report was also deleted, please don't take it personally.
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
[QUOTE=Deguo]Does anyone know what happened to the tom.com chat? Can't find it anymore.
Moreover it like to reaccess Asiafriendfinder.com as I used to meet some great freebies thru this site. But it does not work either. Has anyone the same problem?[/QUOTE]Just in case some else had the same problems like me, I can answer both of my questions now by myself.
The chat of tom.com has been redesigned and can be found via this URL: [url]http://my.chat.tom.com[/url]
Although I haven't found out yet if there are still chat rooms sorted by location. Actually I haven't found out anything yet as my understanding of chinese characters sucks.
Anyways, Asienfriendfinder can get accessed through the mirror [url]www.asiafind.com[/url]
I find myself in the hong kong area for a weekend but want to ask the board where I should go for the weekend! My requirements are, inexpensive hotel (no bugs), good mongering activities!. Pretty basic, but I figured in a pinch the board can give me some great advice on short notice. NOrmally I would RTFF in extensive detail, map things out, pick a hotel, a place, etc, but my plans just changed and I have no time to do this before my trip.
Any help/guidance will be quite appreciated!
PS This will be after a week in LOS and I am sure I will be tired as hell of airplanes!
You should post your questions on the Hong Kong board?
Although there's lots of mongers here that travel through and have been in HK and HK is part of China. Shouldn't you ask the experts in the Hong Kong board for HK fun?
Looky here: A link too: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=234[/url]
Bill
[QUOTE=Meal Soy Hooing]I find myself in the hong kong area for a weekend but want to ask the board where I should go for the weekend! My requirements are, inexpensive hotel (no bugs), good mongering activities!. Pretty basic, but I figured in a pinch the board can give me some great advice on short notice. NOrmally I would RTFF in extensive detail, map things out, pick a hotel, a place, etc, but my plans just changed and I have no time to do this before my trip.
Any help/guidance will be quite appreciated!
PS This will be after a week in LOS and I am sure I will be tired as hell of airplanes![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ks457]Considering that all (yes, I've checked them all) of your 47 reports are either "Can have some info?" or "great pics!" or 3-liners, and you apparently don't even know the proper forum to post your questions, seems pretty obvious to me that you don't "RTFF in extensive detail." So you get the newbie treatment. RTFF, and post some actually useful information, if you want to gain from the board.[/QUOTE]
Maybe Jackson can explain at some point how guys like this become senior members... doesn't follow his own guidelines at all...
GM
[QUOTE=Gualtier Malde]Maybe Jackson can explain at some point how guys like this become senior members... doesn't follow his own guidelines at all...
GM[/QUOTE]Easy, he was with ISG at or very near its founding. Chill out, folks. If you don't like his post, just ignore it. You DO NOT own this board.
GM,
I read this in FAQ:
Regular Members are automatically upgraded to Senior Member when they have been a Forum Member for 6 months AND have posted 25 or more reports.
We know this is the rule, which was changed by Jackson 2 or 3 years ago.
At that time there was some debate about the change and, if my memory serves me well, I believe majority of us was supportive of old system which was more quality oriented.
Of course, automatic upgrading is against quality but I understand Jackson's decision as this system requires less work on his side.
Honestly speaking, since then I am not interested at all in mermbership status or posts count of other members, but I only take into consideration how they contribute and what they write.
[QUOTE=Gualtier Malde]Maybe Jackson can explain at some point how guys like this become senior members. Doesn't follow his own guidelines at all.
GM[/QUOTE]
Crazy Guide - 3 or 4 posts in the last couple of years - you are just dripping with credibility. Actually, those guys DO own this board. They have made this board what it is, not the drive-byers like you. In any community, locals always set the rules.
And who gives a rats ass if he was here when jackson started the boards ?
Wow, I pose a question and it takes me 10 minutes to figure out that my question was what all the hub bub was about. Am I worthy? Am I not worthy?
Perhaps we can start a separate thread so as to not tie up the "general info" category with a bunch of flames over someone asking a question. Why not?
Thanks to those who gave me advice and to those who pointed out, who really cares?
(notice I kept this to only three lines)
[QUOTE=Albert Punter]GM,
Honestly speaking, since then I am not interested at all in mermbership status or posts count of other members, but I only take into consideration how they contribute and what they write.[/QUOTE]You are right, of course. Sorry board for setting off a flame.
GM
Hey Fellas,
I been using [url]www.Asiabynight.com[/url] and Skype to meet girls in my locale area.
I been scanning their profiles and photos and emailed quite a few.
Low and behold it has given results. I had lunch just recently with one girl from Skype, her name is Kirstin. She is cute and skinny and short girl but would be nice to hit the sack with break her in two I would say.
Also hooked up with another girl from Asiabynight.com, LiYan, who adores foreigners so we have meet for dinner and KTV action, she is frisky girl right on the first date.
The next date I will be taking her to the suana and have a private room session with her.
On [url]www.asiabynight.com[/url] just click on friends but you need to become a paid member or else you cannoit send emails, it's not expensive depending how long you want to use it and Skype is free and there are quite a few girls there and you can search your city only for them.
Well, happy pussy hunting, I'm having a blast with this so far!
Take care,
TonyXXX001
Azn Playa,
I sent you a PM on a sensitive subject (you were well aware of this) and you forwarded it to others with whom I am not well acquainted without discussion or my permission. Further, you have now blocked your PMs so that I cannot resolve this with you in private. Therefore, this public posting.
You sir are an asshole and I will not interact with you again.
Go [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] in someone else's pool, jerk!
GM
[QUOTE=Gualtier Malde][...] Further, you have now blocked your PMs so that I cannot resolve this with you in private. Therefore, this public posting.[...][/QUOTE]
PM privileges for AP "terminated" by Jackson, just for your information.
LW
All,
As I indicated in a previous note, I was pulled into a PM thread with Azn Playa. He was asking questions about my good real-life friend Asian Gambler.
Many of the long time participants in the China forum were forwarded without comment at least one of the notes in the thread. In that note, I said things that I never would have said in public, and should have known better than to have said to someone like Azn Playa.
The thread had prompted me to carelessly make some statements that in hindsight I never would have said to or about AG, and in the context in which they were forwarded, were not nice things to say. To AG I say publicly that I am truly sorry I said those things.
I consider AG a good friend, and I would never intentionally hurt a brother like that.
AG, I would like to say publicly that I am truly sorry if you were offended or embarrassed.
To the others, if you read the PM forwarded from Azn Playa, please accept my apologies as well. It was not intended for public eyes, and I should have not been so careless as to say it to someone like him. In fact, I had previously resisted communications from him altogether. I don't know what got into me on that occasion, other than my usual evening consumption of alcohol...
Also, if you received it, please delete it, and please do not forward it.
Thank you,
GM
[QUOTE=Gualtier Malde]All,
As I indicated in a previous note, I was pulled into a PM thread with Azn Playa. He was asking questions about my good real-life friend Asian Gambler.
The thread had prompted me to carelessly make some statements that in hindsight I never would have said to or about AG, and in the context in which they were forwarded, were not nice things to say. To AG I say publicly that I am truly sorry I said those things.
I consider AG a good friend, and I would never intentionally hurt a brother like that.
AG, I would like to say publicly that I am truly sorry if you were offended or embarrassed.
Thank you,
GM[/QUOTE]To GM and All my friends that are reading this.
I had been called names so often that I lost touch of how many of them. CIA, FBI, Chinese Secret Police, Cockburnt, Vulture, Burncock, and......????? I think the list all go on and on. Recently I have been given bows and been call the Emperor, whenever our nice friends with OAH see me in CP (hotel lobby, Foot massage). Just like to tell you all these:
I am just a monger out for a good time, but please do not associate my action/s with other members on the board. This may scare people away from ISG or pissed some of these members off. They made the posting and I get the credit? Neither should anyone associate me with posts put up by usernames that is not "Ace Gallant", because I do not want to be responsible of other person's information or actions.
As a 2 years member of the board, in which I started from posting in Japan, I had attracted a lot of attention which attribute to become a high profile member. With this it would attract a lot of jealously and also disbelieve. It is not one’s fault for them not to believe my posts nor is it one’s fault to challenge me to a flaming war. As I must admit, sometimes I am pretty nasty to tell new members off if they do not RTFF. This also attribute to creating high amount of hated on me from the person I had told off on a public board, ISG. My Stand: “What is the use of a forum when people do not read it?”
In address to the point about the “threatening PM”: It all started as a joke and it was intended to be a joke. As my good friend “Santa”, had reminded me two days ago; “You think it is funny, but others may think is provocative”. So, on this matter I felt that there is a need for me to apologize to Azn Playa for sending him a Bad Joke via the ISG PM system.
Aside from all of these; I would like say that I for those who had met in person, enjoyed very much of the friendship and please continue to enjoy the vast availability of nice entertainment activities China has to offer. I had discussions privately with Jackson and we both agree that we all should get back to our favorite hobby and continue to post reports. It is tough for him to be mediator as no matter what decision he made, it will always [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] one party off. We are all here for good fun. As one of the member mentioned before “Make Love, Not War!” It is not about Winning or Losing, we all know whether what we have posted is the truths or fake, it is not important whether others believe it or not. Hopefully with this report, the matter will blow over. As often as I had.... all are forgiven!
Enjoy!
AG
I am going to china next week and I would like to know if there is anything i should not bring, like a vibrator, porn, porn movies. Will the Chinese costoms agents take any of these things out of my suit case and what would they look down on if I were to bring other things.
Thanks in advance
that looks like a massage stick. Sure no problem. A vibrator that looks like 12" black cock, I'll leave it home.
As far as porn or any other items you would be embarrassed to be picked out from a full search, leave it home. Why bring porn when you can make your own porn? But now you have to worry about U.S. Custom on your return. It's catch-22 time.
Yeah, Porn is illegal in China.
Make sure any drugs you have, you have the prescription bottle for it with your name.
Getting search by customs is a hit or miss. Out of 10 visits, my bags were searched fully only once. Thank goodness, I was able to bring in nine 12" black cock dildos by then.
Bill
BTW, we have seen some sex shops in China. Not as well stocked as your typical sleazy NY/LA porn shop. But they do have some basics, like vibrators.
[QUOTE=Member #2001]I am going to china next week and I would like to know if there is anything i should not bring, like a vibrator, porn, porn movies. Will the Chinese costoms agents take any of these things out of my suit case and what would they look down on if I were to bring other things.
Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]
Sagami offers 0.02 condoms!
After the success of the Okamoto 0.03 the Sagami offers now 0.02 thick condoms. I saw them in Hong Kong today. I couldn't test them yet as the shop didn't offer such service.
The 4-pack is HK$46 , the 12pack is HK$126 - quite a bit more expensive then the Okamoto 0.03 - BUT I have to tell you, the Okamoto 0.03 is already well worth the extra money.
[QUOTE=Member #2001]I am going to china next week and I would like to know if there is anything i should not bring, like a vibrator, porn, porn movies. Will the Chinese costoms agents take any of these things out of my suit case and what would they look down on if I were to bring other things.
Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]
You are good advised not to bring anything related with pornography, like print media, movies and so on! You can buy "toys" you are maybe in need for fun here in CN, not everything but as Bill wrote "basics" like vibrators and so on.
In case you bring them and a female custom officer will find it...well, then...be prepared to invite her for dinner or whatever :D.
LW
At first I wanted to post this in the Shenzhen thread to follow thread’s current discussion on why and how girls are caught in the business. I later felt it was more appropriate to post it in the General thread section. It’s an article that talks about the sex trade now and the past in the USA. Asian prostitution is still alive in the USA. The date and names have changed, but the story is not much different. Just like before, girls are tricked into the business.
One store of a girl making 30,000USD a month, WOW not bad. On the hand, another girl had to work two years to buy her freedom.
Asian Week, by Susie Ling, Mar 09, 2007
[url]http://news.asianweek.com/news/view_article.html?article_id=71a1d05bef765503c44e6b84aa2c5113[/url]
[quote=bill lee]
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make sure any drugs you have, you have the prescription bottle for it with your name.
getting search by customs is a hit or miss. out of 10 visits, my bags were searched fully only once. thank goodness, i was able to bring in nine 12" black cock dildos by then.
bill
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[/quote]
mr bill,
wait a minute you forgot to mention one time at customs. the secret police or fbi (female body inspectors) stopped you trying to bring home your fake from cp. the agent didn't confirep001e your fake because she later felt sorry for you. she gave you a smile and wanted you to have fun. when your done, i like try the fake to see if it's as good as the real thing.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=562569&postcount=1006[/url]
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[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]
He is right, we are just a bunch of happy go lucky guys out for a good time. ...
AG[/QUOTE]
AG is correct. In fact, in my experience, there is less getting laid going on when "the gang" gathers than when we go on the hunt individually. We have had a few BBS crawls, but seems that more than likely, we end up hanging out partying in one of the many bars in town, enjoying the company (and the girls that wander by and cuddle with us).
It is fun to hang out with this gang, but not a necessity, and possibly a detriment, if you are really focused on the getting laid part.
I can't believe Santa is not the real deal. So who the hell is leaving toys under my Christmas tree every year??!?!?!?! And Santa, that's the LAST time I agree to sit on your lap! ;-)
GM
[quote=johnnykon666]it’s become a condom war (in hk anyway) and i had the opportunity to try out several new condoms recently. as you can see in the pics, there are 4 different condoms that i’ve been using over the past few weeks/months. besides the original okimoto 0.03 condom, i have not seen the other three types available in mainland china. here are my findings:
“sagami original 0.02” is also made from some non-latex material and supposed to be 0.02 mm thickness. comes in a fancy package that looks like the mini jelly packs you get at hotels (the curious look on a gal's face when i peeled the foil back from the "jam packing" was so cute). you’ll notice immediately that these are really, really thin. also, the material is somewhat stiff as you unroll it on your cock but after a few seconds of warming up in a pussy, it seems to soften and become form-fitting (i’d compare it to juicy fruit gum, which is initially stiffer than other chewing gums but becomes super-soft and sticky after a few seconds of chewing). overall, this condom is the closest thing to mimicking the feel of wearing no condom at all, so this is the best condom i have ever tried, hands down. really amazing and worth a try for all mongers in my opinion. a 4-pack was $46 hkd so they aren’t cheap but it’s not going to bankrupt you (i assume).
j[/quote]just tested this. man! johnny is right, it is next to wearing nothing! but the problem is that because it feels like nothing, i keep on pulling out my thing to see if it is still attached! (i had many times had bad experience in which i tear through the rubbers because i took too long and the girl is too dry.) however overall, it was a good feeling in the end because it enables me to feels like skin to skin.
correction to johnny, it comes in 3 pack not 4.
ag
[QUOTE=Another Ghost]Just tested this. Man! Johnny is right, it is next to wearing nothing! But the problem is that because it feels like nothing, I keep on pulling out my thing to see if it is still attached! (I had many times had bad experience in which I tear through the rubbers because I took too long and the girl is too dry.) However overall, it was a good feeling in the end because it enables me to feels like skin to skin.
Correction to Johnny, it comes in 3 pack not 4.
AG[/QUOTE]
Thank you for the info Johnny. I have often had difficulties coming when using Chinese condoms which the girls carry with them, so I have actually had unprotected sex with working girls in China several times already. In addition the girls consider the taste of those condoms disgusting.
I'll make sure to get some of the “Sagami Original 0.02” next time I go to China (should be this summer).
[QUOTE=Phil1980]Thank you for the info Johnny. I have often had difficulties coming when using Chinese condoms which the girls carry with them, so I have actually had unprotected sex with working girls in China several times already. In addition the girls consider the taste of those condoms disgusting.
I'll make sure to get some of the “Sagami Original 0.02” next time I go to China (should be this summer).[/QUOTE]If you want to try it... please bring it from outside China. the 0.02 is not available in China yet. I bought it from Hong Kong.
In fact, the 0.03 are only available in some bigger cities in China.
IMHO: You should never, NEVER have unprotected sex with WL!
Enjoy!
AG
We first met Guinness on the Philippine's Fight Club Forum, when we got into an angry argument with Bareback Bill.
BB reported that when a girl asks him to wear a condom he would agree and then secretly remove it before penetration. Another method was to get the girl so drunk that she wouldn't "know what hit her", so he could fuck her without a condom. He bragged about his "many infections". He justified his behaviour as promoting the spread of his very desirable white genes.
Now I didn't know who Guinness was and hadn't read any of his reports. Since I'm an Irishman who loves guinness I sent this guy a friendly and polite PM. My intention was to meet him for a pint of our favourite brew next time I visited Manila.
A few days later he sided with BB and joined him and others in racial attacks against our friend AG, they called him "rickshaw boy". Now he says he wants to meet Ace Gallop. I think that may be another intentional play of words on the previous racist attack, not sure. He also flamed me.
Now he comes to the China forum and asks the Shanghai guys for info. Let's hope he doesn't bring his friend BB with him.
What he doesn't understand is, most of us love China, love the chinese people and we adore chinese ladies.
Shanghai belongs to me! Arseholes are not welcome.
PS. I also like chicken feet soup, with cabbage and potatoes. For breakfast I like pork sausages made from intestines.
The Chinese slang for prostitute is “Chicken”. After reading these posts, I now know why there is so much of a foot fetish for chicken feet.
Santa,
I appreciate your support. Fortunately, it is still a bit cold here so red boots are still being worn. I dread the onslaught of Spring/Summer and their inevitable disappearance.
OAH
P.S. I picked up the package this week and have the Stones DVD. The RS book is off to a good start, as well. He is a very good writer on top of his mongering expertise. Thanks.
[QUOTE=Santa]And I'll nominate OAH to be the Lord Guardian of the Temple Gate, where he'll be surrounded by beautiful sexy sluts, wearing red boots, slowly gyrating to the sounds of Wild Horses. (Rolling Stones song)[/QUOTE]
That only applies when we're eating at a hotpot. I think we all believe in food safety and not having food poisoning or diarrhea? Or eating a saliva soup mix?
Bill
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]
P.S. I can also vouch for Bill Lee's table manners. He even refused to eat without separate chopsticks for each dish. Sorry again Bill, I forgot to use them a couple of times in that Sichuan place.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]That only applies when we're eating at a hotpot. I think we all believe in food safety and not having food poisoning or diarrhea? Or eating a saliva soup mix?
Bill[/QUOTE]
Hepatitis is easily transmitted through food. That is why in the US, some cities require a hepatitis check before you are issued a food handler's permit.
You are more likely to catch something from someone who prepared and cooked your food, versus sharing food with your friends at the table.
However, you can't be too careful.
You can do as the locals at dim sum restaurants in Guangzhou do and rinse your chopsticks, spoon, bowl, and teacup with fresh hot tea before using them.
Get Hep A and B shots if you visit China for any length of time.
MAB
I arrived in Shanghai early last night, a week earlier than I had planned. However, my whereabouts will remain confidential for obvious reasons (I wouldn't put anything past some of you)...too bad because I was looking forward to meeting a few of you.
As usual, after I got checked in and cleaned up at the hotel, I befriended the bellhop (w/$20usd) and asked if he could arrange for me to get a massage in my room. He looked at me and said "Chinese girl?" I just nodded and smiled. He asked me when I wanted her and I responded "Right now General Tsao!" But, instead of waiting in my room, I meandered into the lobby lounge to listen to the live music and have a drink. I was surprised to see that the bar had Chateau St. Michelle, Cabernet Sauvignon on the menu (my favorite vineyard from Washington State). I had a glass and relaxed to the music. Just as I finished my wine, the general found me in the bar and informed me that it was time for me to go to my hotel room. As I got off the elevator and approached my room, I noticed a beautiful 19-20 y/o, petite girl leaning up against my door. She was young and HOT, and this was definitely better than what I expected from Mr. Tsao. However, once we were in the room I was reminded why I love the PI so much; they speak the language. This girl spoke ZERO English. You see, I'm the kind of guy who likes to chit chat with them a little before the action begins. No chance for chit-chat with this one though.
The sex: Well, as we've all experienced, many times the hotter looking they are the less they perform in the sack. No exception here. This one was certainly nice looking but not very enthusiastic about sucking cock or doing multiple positions. In fact she nearly squirmed off of the bed when I tried to insert my thumb up her ass while in the doggy position. So, knowing her obvious dislike for anything "out of the ordinary", I decided to cap off the event with a "surprise" cum to the face. Here is how I did it; I was furiously pumping away missionary style and right before I shot my load, I pulled out, ripped off the condom, straddled her chest and proceeded to spray my load all over her face, neck and hands (her hands were trying to block the inevitable). After the act she mumbled something in Chinese and made her way to the shower to get cleaned up. When she emerged from the shower I handed her 500 RMB, I half way expected her to ask for more but she didn't. She just gave me a hug, a kiss on the cheek and walked out the door. Even though that LYFM spoke zero English, she was just what the Dr. ordered after a long 12hr flight.
BTW: I took some pics of her. I'll post em' when I return from my trip. Stay tuned more to come.
Guinness
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Sorry guys if I keep asking questions.
I asked for some cheap hotels in beijin and I had a lot of info about it, but now, reading the forum, I found out that is possible to rent apartments for a week of so for a very competitive price, so my question is:
Is it better to rent an apartment or a hotel room?
I found apartment for about 40 to 50 dollars a day;considering that I want to bring girls in the room to stay with me as long as I can (all night or few days) is it better to rent an aprtment? and if so can someone suggest a reliable one?
There are few on the net but I do not know who to trust, and since I trust this forum above else I await your reply.
Thanks
I am in Shanghai for the next 7 days, I found the market that has all of the materials and am looking for someone to make me 4-5 suits. I talked to many of the people in the stalls and it seems that you will spend about 500-600 per suit from my best guess, is that right?
They tell me the tailor cost is 200 and the rest depends on the material you choose.
Here is where i am confused. They are showing me all of these materials (and of course they all carry essentially the same stuff, in my opinion) and it says on the material: ex. Wool 120, Super Wool Cashmere 180, etc.
Q: How do I know these materials are really what they say they are? Is there something to look for, some kind of test, etc?
Someone mentioned with the silks you can ask to burn a small piece and if it's fake it will bead up like plastic does.
Does anyone have a tailor they can recommend highly in the Shanghai Material market place.
Thank you all in advance.
Texas
[QUOTE=Texas Rob]Q: How do I know these materials are really what they say they are? Is there something to look for, some kind of test, etc?
[/QUOTE]
Everything in China is fake. What makes you think that the tailers have real things? Sure the material is fake too.
Just the good material can cost already a few 1000 rmb, without any labour. And you get on top the cheapest buttons, inner linings, interlinings etc.
You get what you pay for....
I still cannot get access to AFF in China even when trying to use the asia friendfinder sight. Does anyone have any other advice for logging into the site? This is frustrating as I cannot contact any of my current contacts.
Normally serviced apartments are girl friendly.
This is one of their most important advantages.
[QUOTE=Disaster53]Sorry guys if I keep asking questions.
I asked for some cheap hotels in beijin and I had a lot of info about it, but now, reading the forum, I found out that is possible to rent apartments for a week of so for a very competitive price, so my question is:
Is it better to rent an apartment or a hotel room?
I found apartment for about 40 to 50 dollars a day;considering that I want to bring girls in the room to stay with me as long as I can (all night or few days) is it better to rent an aprtment? and if so can someone suggest a reliable one?
There are few on the net but I do not know who to trust, and since I trust this forum above else I await your reply.
Thanks[/QUOTE]
I gave up using hotels a few years ago. I don't need their services, and I don't pay for them when using a service apartment. In Shanghai, I get a nice, clean apartment for 600RMB. It's two bedrooms, with a full kitchen supplied with cooking equipment, eating and a living area, plus a meager breakfast is included. Internet is free, albeit slow at times.
Guests have never been a problem in the 5-6 different apartments that I've used.
Duck
[QUOTE=Disaster53]Sorry guys if I keep asking questions.
I asked for some cheap hotels in beijin and I had a lot of info about it, but now, reading the forum, I found out that is possible to rent apartments for a week of so for a very competitive price, so my question is:
Is it better to rent an apartment or a hotel room?
I found apartment for about 40 to 50 dollars a day;considering that I want to bring girls in the room to stay with me as long as I can (all night or few days) is it better to rent an aprtment? and if so can someone suggest a reliable one?
There are few on the net but I do not know who to trust, and since I trust this forum above else I await your reply.
Thanks[/QUOTE]
On language.... you can get in the pro world every fetish filled. Anal, 69, shaving, CIM, red rope. All is available. If you search a little longer I am sure you can find BDSM and so on, and if you ask for it, here and there you will find "English" too. Or Russian, Japanese, Korean, Cantonese language skills.
It's just a question of asking for it. I have met a few girls in China that spoke useable English. I think there is nothing wrong to look for an English speaker, however, you need to be prepared that often, specially in smaller places, they are not available, and if, the choice will be down to one, or seldom two.
And in all fairness, the original poster didn't "demand" English. For those new to China, but with exposure to Philippines and Thailand it may become natural to expect similar in China. However, the China scene is very different and English speaking foreigners customer base is very small. That combined with the fact that the girls always come from poorer rural areas and have only limited education, and certainly never came close to English - and the fact that the typical hooker has never ever any English speaking foreigner customer - it's just not worthwhile for them to learn the language.
But they are great to test ones Mandarin skills.
Sport, try using torpark. Its a very small program and even loads from a jumpdrive. Its supposed to be anonymous web surfing. It works good from USA. I am on my way to China but have no experience in internet there andt do not know the exact reason why AFF wouldn't work there. But since its free, might be worth a try. Search on google for torpark.
Regards,
R21
[QUOTE=Sport2076]I still cannot get access to AFF in China even when trying to use the asia friendfinder sight. Does anyone have any other advice for logging into the site? This is frustrating as I cannot contact any of my current contacts.[/QUOTE]
You can no longer access the ISG Forum from most internet cafes in China.
Does Jackson know about this problem?
Wikipedia is also blocked, even in hotels.
Yahoo and google have agreed to cooperate with the chinese government censors.
If the AFF website is blocked, how do the chinese girls access it?
try
[url]http://unbl0ck.com/[/url]
Levitian
[QUOTE=Santa]You can no longer access the ISG Forum from most internet cafes in China.
Does Jackson know about this problem?
Wikipedia is also blocked, even in hotels.
Yahoo and google have agreed to cooperate with the chinese government censors.[/QUOTE]
It's not blocked by the Chinese firewall. See for yourself:
[url]http://www.greatfirewallofchina.org/test/[/url]
Additionally, I had no probs whatsoever to access the ISG via hotel BB or Internet cafes on my last visit.
Wikipedia has been blocked for a long time.
[QUOTE=Levitian]Guys,
With all the flaming you are throwing at Guiness you are giving him more attention than he deserves.
My 2 fens ... .
Levitian[/QUOTE]A few years ago, I was in Guangzhou and I saw the typical "ugly American" behavior. A guy, I'd say about 45-50 years old, was at the business center and apparently he received a fax. The girl behind the counter folded it into thirds and put it in an envelope for him. The guy then started berating the girl for folding his fax. The girl obviously didn't understand what the hell he was saying, but for some reason, the guy thought that if he could say it over and over and louder and louder each time, she would understand. Let me ask you non-Mandarin speakers, if you don't understand something in Mandarin, does someone saying it louder help you understand???? Of course not. Anyway, I asked the guy politely to knock it off cuz he was being extremely rude and his loud voice was grating on me. Of course the guy being a typical "ugly American" told me to "mind your own fucking business or I'll kick your chink ass!!!" Of course I accepted his offer and asked him to step outside. The jerk being your average bully chickened out muttering something about how I would get all the other chinks to fight with me. Whatever.
I don't understand how a traveler representing the great nation of the United States of America could behave so rudely. And in the same vein, I can't understand a guy like Guiness. I bet you he thinks exactly the same way, that if he speaks English loudly enough, people will miraculously understand what he says. He can't comprehend that people from other cultures have other priorities and that their number one priority is NOT learning English. He thinks the world should bend over backwards to make things easier for him. His selfishness is readily apparent in that he's willing to physically coerce a helpless girl into doing what he wants. If that's not a bully, then I don't know what is. I can't abide these types of people no matter the setting I meet them in and I won't ignore him because it might be misunderstood to be a tacit approval of his behavior. Anyway, I hope he tries the same crap on some girl with a taser who fries his nuts.
[QUOTE=Levitian]try
[url]http://unbl0ck.com/[/url]
Levitian[/QUOTE]Using the link as I've been able to get back into AFF today (at least for now). Thanks for the info
Is "Red Rope" action only found in Shanghai? I'm in Kunshan right now and later I'll be visiting Shenzhen so I would like to know if I can find RR action in those places too. Please let me know.
Thanks in advance,
Guinness
To OAH
If you like better serivce you need to go the sauna instead of the bbs all the time. I think the service in China is getting better an better and service in Thailand is getting worst.
Fast eddie 48
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I am aware that the vast majority of references to racial issues are attempts to foster legitimate discussions. However, past discussions in the Forum has repeatedly demonstrated that the subject simply cannot be discussed intelligently, in any form or for any reason, without being misinterpreted and without starting flame wars.
Please do not post information about or references to racial issues in the Forum. Please read the Forum's Posting Guidelines for further information. [i]Thanks![/i][/blue][/size]
[QUOTE=Santa]You can no longer access the ISG Forum from most internet cafes in China.
Does Jackson know about this problem?
Wikipedia is also blocked, even in hotels.
Yahoo and google have agreed to cooperate with the chinese government censors.[/QUOTE]
ISG is not blocked by the China firewall. Computers at internet cafes however, might have filtering software installed that prevents access to adult content. Wikipedia however, IS blocked by the Great Firewall of China. The only way to access that is to use a proxy.
[QUOTE=Guinness]Is "Red Rope" action only found in Shanghai? I'm in Kunshan right now and later I'll be visiting Shenzhen so I would like to know if I can find RR action in those places too. Please let me know.
Thanks in advance,
Guinness[/QUOTE]
Look in the Guangdong section, waaaaayyyyy back the was a report about a place in Houjie
I am not sure what URL you are using that you cannot access but asiafriendfinder.com has not worked for me for months and months. I use asiafind.com and access it here in Shanghai all the time.
Or, maybe the AFF you want is Adult Friend Finder??
ES
I am not sure what URL you are using that you cannot access but asiafriendfinder.com has not worked for me for months and months. I use asiafind.com and access it here in Shanghai all the time.
Or, maybe the AFF you want is Adult Friend Finder?? Sorry I don't go there so I don't know.
ES
[QUOTE=Admin][size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]A number of reports posted here were deleted in accordance with the Forum's policy prohibiting any references to [u]racial issues[/u]. This action is in no way a reflection of the merits of any of the author's comments.
I am aware that the vast majority of references to racial issues are attempts to foster legitimate discussions. However, past discussions in the Forum has repeatedly demonstrated that the subject simply cannot be discussed intelligently, in any form or for any reason, without being misinterpreted and without starting flame wars.
Please do not post information about or references to racial issues in the Forum. Please read the Forum's Posting Guidelines for further information. [i]Thanks![/i][/blue][/size][/QUOTE]
Jackson,
With all due respect (and the knowledge that you cannot read every item word for word on the board), if you had deleted the blatently racist postings by Guiness in the first place, rather than adding the comment 'I certainly hope someone posts this in the ROD section', then the entire flame war would not have happened.
Next time I will report such posts to moderator and see if the result is any better, however, seeing as said post still exists, I have my doubts.
Fast Eddie:
I agree that saunas offer "more" services than BBS e.g. table baths, soapies, fire and ice, BBBJCIM, AR, the liquids, multiple pops, etc. The question is can you define more as better. I often find the girls rather mechanical in the saunas.
I also agree that Thai girls have become a bit more hardcore and greedy in recent years, however, I still think they are more passionate about their work whether it be just acting or not. There are Patpong/Nana bargirl exceptions where they can be in a hurry, but overall I find the desire to please still much higher in Thailand and the Vietnamese tecnically more competent, albeit less passionate.
Just my POV.
OAH
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]To OAH
If you like better serivce you need to go the sauna instead of the bbs all the time. I think the service in China is getting better an better and service in Thailand is getting worst.
Fast eddie 48[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ks457]
...
(did PM Guiness, and it seems he doesn't give a s**t that he's being flamed).
...
[/QUOTE]
He doesn't as this is probably what he looks for.
Jackson,
I appreciate your stressing the rules of the forum and I apologize for having forgot them.
However, very frankly I think that Guinness' post should be deleted too.
[QUOTE=Blacklisted]Jackson,
With all due respect (and the knowledge that you cannot read every item word for word on the board), if you had deleted the blatently racist postings by Guiness in the first place, rather than adding the comment 'I certainly hope someone posts this in the ROD section', then the entire flame war would not have happened.
Next time I will report such posts to moderator and see if the result is any better, however, seeing as said post still exists, I have my doubts.[/QUOTE]
Found this article
[url]http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-03/30/content_5916202.htm[/url]
It would be interesting to know if he helped in correcting sauna or BBS signs too ;-)
This is a big website, a hundred forums and thousands of posters. Most of the posts are just useless back and forth chit chat. I plead guilty.
Does Jackson, whoever Jackson really is, does Jackson sit in front of his computor all day reading this useless shit? Or does he assign "moderators" for each country?
I read the China forum, for fun, but it requires a lot of my time.
Hey Jackson, do you follow all of the boards on this forum every friggin' day? That's a lot of fucking reading! Or do you assign "moderators"?
When some antagonistic wanker like Guinness posts a totally useless post, and the "moderator" recommends "post of distinction", is that really you making the recommendation?
If the answer is yes, that's ok with me, I understand, you are overworked.
Maybe it is time for you to have a vacation in China. We would like to meet you and have some fun together. Please send me a PM.
The guy was an asshole, nothing more, nothing less, utterly useless. What kind of dickbite writes this shit. Not what I joined here for. But at the same time brothers, Jackson has a lot of damn countries to look over, don't give him shit, he does his best.come on dudes, let's get back to business!
[QUOTE=Blacklisted]Jackson,
With all due respect (and the knowledge that you cannot read every item word for word on the board), if you had deleted the blatently racist postings by Guiness in the first place[/QUOTE]
Agreed. Moreover, it puzzles me as to why Moodys post calling a poor guy who got his faxes screwed up "ugly american" just because he was (albeit stupidly as it was in China) trying to correct incompetent business center staff is allowed to stand, while many balanced, non-racist posts were deleted.
I have no issue whatsoever with Jacksons rules. This is his board, period. But I do try to limit my postings in forums with irraticly enforced moderation. No offense intended, but somehow I feel it's time to implement my policy here.
[QUOTE=Eaglestar]I am not sure what URL you are using that you cannot access but asiafriendfinder.com has not worked for me for months and months. I use asiafind.com and access it here in Shanghai all the time.
Or, maybe the AFF you want is Adult Friend Finder?? Sorry I don't go there so I don't know.
ES[/QUOTE]For Asia Friendfinder use asiafind.com
For Adult Friendfinder use xmatch.com
The sites have multiple mirrors but I have never had any problems accessing these addresses on the mainland.
Cheers,
Cooler
Pute Nut, I don't understand why you are calling him "poor guy." He was apparently an asshole with a big chip on his shoulder, calling Moody in derogatory terms and challenging him to a fight (!).
Now, while I have never met Moody (although I hope to someday), from his posts and what people have commented about him, it's not hard to tell that he's well-educated, polite and civilized person.
This "poor guy," on the other hand, berated hotel staff in a loud and obtrusive manner, enough for other people to find annoying, for a very correctible mistake. When the staff folded the fax and put it in an envelope, obviously that was their way of being polite and helpful. EVEN IF, that wrinkled his fax, which he didn't want, all he had to do was politely ask them to make a copy, which I'm sure they were more than happy to do.
In the VERY UNLIKELY chance that folding the fax ruined it, then he had better ways of dealing with it then just yelling at the staff. That is unprofessional, rude and ignorant. I have seen many likes of him in my life, those who think that just because they come from a country with higher standards of living (a statement which should be taken with a grain of salt, as China has 299,500 US$ millionaires, which considering what a US$ million can do in China vs. US, is astounding), they can treat people without respect and courtesy. He's a stereotypical bully, strong against the weak, and coward when someone actually stands up to him. All this is, I hope, very apparent from the statements he made to Moody, and the way he acted.
I have absolutely no sympathy for the likes of him, and I sort of wish that the story ended with Moody kicking the crap out of him (although I do not tolerate violence either).
And I am somewhat perturbed by the continuous defense you are making for that guy, as well as Guiness. But I do agree that if the racial discussion was going to be deleted, Moody's should have been as well.
-KS
Obviously, it would be impossible for Jackson to read every post every day. I was told that college students do it for him
The best way to get a response from Jackson to send him and email or put a post up on the Letters to the Editor thread.
Regarding the post in question, you can click on Report to Moderator and I reckon this will get even faster attention.
I am also keen to know what constitutes a recommendation for distinction as I often find myself dumbfounded about some posts.
Just my POV.
OAH
[QUOTE=Santa]This is a big website, a hundred forums and thousands of posters. Most of the posts are just useless back and forth chit chat. I plead guilty.
Does Jackson, whoever Jackson really is, does Jackson sit in front of his computor all day reading this useless shit? Or does he assign "moderators" for each country?
I read the China forum, for fun, but it requires a lot of my time.
Hey Jackson, do you follow all of the boards on this forum every friggin' day? That's a lot of fucking reading! Or do you assign "moderators"?
When some antagonistic wanker like Guinness posts a totally useless post, and the "moderator" recommends "post of distinction", is that really you making the recommendation?
If the answer is yes, that's ok with me, I understand, you are overworked.
Maybe it is time for you to have a vacation in China. We would like to meet you and have some fun together. Please send me a PM.[/QUOTE]
You call folding a fax up and putting it in an envelope worth calling someone incompetent? Isn't this more of a difference in business practice?
Did you not read the part about ""mind your own fucking business or I'll kick your chink ass!!!"
I think Moody's use was in describing what he had witnessed and giving an good example of an Ugly American.
But I don't think that the use of Ugly American is as bad as some racist remarks. Ugly American is more of a description of behaviour based not on race. Maybe we can all assume that Ugly American are white rednecks. But there was Asians, Blacks and Hispanics that are American and are Ugly Americans too. Needless to say, there are also Ugly Chinese out there too.
I'm not disputing your claim about other posts, just this one about Moody whom I've never met.
Bill
[QUOTE=Pute Nut]Agreed. Moreover, it puzzles me as to why Moodys post calling a poor guy who got his faxes screwed up "ugly american" just because he was (albeit stupidly as it was in China) trying to correct incompetent business center staff is allowed to stand, while many balanced, non-racist posts were deleted.
I have no issue whatsoever with Jacksons rules. This is his board, period. But I do try to limit my postings in forums with irraticly enforced moderation. No offense intended, but somehow I feel it's time to implement my policy here.[/QUOTE]
Of course, we would all like to know who Jackson is. He's like the Wizard of Oz, the great and powerful one, with the power to delete, reprimand and bannish.
Hey Jackson, why not visit China? I think you would have a terrific time.
Thanks to your forum, we know where the poontang's at. :D
[QUOTE=Ks457]And I am somewhat perturbed by the continuous defense you are making for that guy, as well as Guiness. But I do agree that if the racial discussion was going to be deleted, Moody's should have been as well.
[/QUOTE]
Thanks for your support with regards to that and as far as the "ugly faxrecieving American", well tough luck. He is just a stupid CUSTOMER of a BUSINESS CENTER and the staff should be able to deal with "difficult and/or stupid customers". When Moody stepped in and tried to "correct" the customer he pretty much asked for it IMO. Personally I'd steer clear of trying to "correct" such foreign visitors in my country, but perhaps I'd help out in conveying a foreign customers preference to clueless staff. That's it.
BTW I was just (one hr ago) called a HEY JOE by an official representative of the Philippine Government ( a PNP Officer ). I don't think it's a common occurence that filipinos are routinely called "Hey Flip" by US Police officers, but I could be wrong of course :D
Are we re-starting the debate ?
Please, put it to an end.
Thanks
[QUOTE=Pute Nut]
BTW I was just (one hr ago) called a HEY JOE by an official representative of the Philippine Government ( a PNP Officer ). I don't think it's a common occurence that filipinos are routinely called "Hey Flip" by US Police officers, but I can be wrong of course :D
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[QUOTE=Albert Punter]Are we re-starting the debate ?
Please, put it to an end.
Thanks[/QUOTE]
Did "we" forget the red ink? ;)
Cheers, PN
[QUOTE=Pute Nut]Thanks for your support with regards to that and as far as the "ugly faxrecieving American", well tough luck. He is just a stupid CUSTOMER of a BUSINESS CENTER and the staff should be able to deal with "difficult and/or stupid customers". When Moody stepped in and tried to "correct" the customer he pretty much asked for it IMO. Personally I'd steer clear of trying to "correct" such foreign visitors in my country, but perhaps I'd help out in conveying a foreign customers preference to clueless staff. That's it.[/QUOTE]
I rarely recall conversations that are over 2 years old, but this particular one was really memorable. I didn't really get into the details before of what the guy was saying to the girl, but I'll do so now to shed a little light on the situation. You decide if you would or would not have done the same:
Idiot: You stupid b_itch, you fucking folded my faxes!!! Now I have to read 'em with a creases on the page! Why don't you go over there and make me some photostats you fucking c_unt!!
Girl: (In choppy English) Excuse sir, I don't understand. Is there problem with the fax?
Idiot: Yes there's a fucking problem. I can't fucking read 'em with creases on the page you dumb b_itch!!! Go to that fucking copier and make me some photostats so I can fucking read 'em without any creases on the page!!!!
Girl: You want me to make copy sir?
Idiot: I just said that two times you dumb b_itch!!! Don't you fucking speak any English?
Me: Hey buddy, why don't you lay off the girl man... She didn't do it on purpose. It's just the way they do it. They fold it and put it in an envelope so it's like mail.
Idiot: Why don't you fucking mind your own fucking business or I'll kick your chink ass!!!
I was stunned by this for a moment, then I got that feeling when adrenaline surges and you can't really think straight and your eyes gloss over. I stared at him straight in the eye.
Me: Ok, you got it cowboy. Let's go outside. Show me what you got.
The guy stares back for a bit, then he looks away and starts talking again.
Idiot: Fuck you. You'll just get your chink friends to help ya and I ain't fightin ten o youse.
Then the guy walks away without looking back.
That's the way it was. I don't care if I was in China, Spain, France, England, or even New York or LA, if I see a guy displaying that kind of behavior, I'll say something. If the guy wants to take me on, I'll do that too. I've gotten my ass kicked dozens if not hundreds of times during 10 years of TKD and I'm used to it. Had the guy asked the girl nicely and slowly without the cursing, I'm sure she would have understood what he was trying to get across. Instead, the guy's just standing there and yelling at the poor girl.
[QUOTE=Pute Nut]BTW I was just (one hr ago) called a HEY JOE by an official representative of the Philippine Government ( a PNP Officer ). I don't think it's a common occurence that filipinos are routinely called "Hey Flip" by US Police officers, but I could be wrong of course :D[/QUOTE]
This ain't the Philippines and nobody in China's gonna say, "Hey Joe!" to you. If you want to complain about Philippino racism, do it over on the Philippine thread. You don't see Black guys coming to the China thread to complain they got called a "Ni**er" in the US.....
Bill, ks457,
Thank you for your support. If you guys ever around when I'm in Guangdong, drop me a message. We'll hang out.
Peace,
Moody
Thanks for the extrapolation, but it doesn't change much IMO. He is obviously a stupid customer and the "poor girl" is still a CSR who should know how to handle such situations.
[QUOTE=Moody]I've gotten my ass kicked dozens if not hundreds of times during 10 years of TKD and I'm used to it. [/QUOTE]
I can understand that.
Personally, I seldom even raise my voice in Asia, because I find it un-cool and it is usually not needed to convey the message.
[QUOTE=Moody]
This ain't the Philippines and nobody in China's gonna say, "Hey Joe!" to you. If you want to complain about Philippino racism, do it over on the Philippine thread. You don't see Black guys coming to the China thread to complain they got called a "Ni**er" in the US..... [/QUOTE]
That's probably because US Police Officers don't call blacks the N word unless they want to pay for it with riots and/or disciplinary action.
Besides it was merely a small comparison I made in a light hearted manner. But you've made your point clear; as a white guy I should shut the f*** up in the China thread and that's what I'm gonna do. Hope this helps.
Stay safe.
I have met Moody and found him to be a very polite and friendly guy.
However, I think if that guy hadn't backed down and walked away, our friend Moody would have kicked the living shit out of him.
The guy was aggressive with the office girl, but turned into chickenshit when Moody corrected him.
[QUOTE=Pute Nut]Thanks for the extrapolation, but it doesn't change much IMO. He is obviously a stupid customer and the "poor girl" is still a CSR who should know how to handle such situations.[/QUOTE]
Pute Nut,
The girl used good CS, the guy used poor Human Relations practices!! Had this idiot acted like this in the States, he would have been nursing a broken nose before he could get the word **** out of mouth the second time.
The staff at most all hotels in China (especially the Shangri-La) bend over backwards to make the customer happy, she acted in a professional manner and did what she was trained to do with the fax. The guy on the other hand, went far beyond being upset at the "folded" fax and verbally assaulted her using profanity and racial slurs.
I am glad Moody called this guy out, he is an honorable man. Had I been there, I would have probably drug his ass to the bathroom and kicked the shit out of him there (easier to clean up the blood and I respect the cleaners as well). For 20 years as a member of the US Armed Forces I traveled around the world and it never ceased to amaze me at how many arrogant, "I am better than you, bow down to me" and pompous fucking attitudes some Westerners (especially Americans) have towards other races.
Don't try to justify this moron's actions by telling us she should have just used CSR skills, she used them. This guy was way out of line....
[QUOTE=Szexpat]
Don't try to justify this moron's actions by telling us she should have just used CSR skills, she used them. [/QUOTE]
Are you talkin' to me? :D
Seriously, I've never "justified" the faxrecieving gentleman's actions, but even if I'd do that, frankly it's not your business telling me what I should "justify" or not.
This whole incident probably would have died out after the CSR taking a few more curses (again, that's part her job description to handle such events) if not Moody had stepped in with his obviously lacking interpersonal "skills" trying to "save a sister". Why not just leave it and let the obviously stupid customer run out of air or die of high blood pressure, whichever happens first? Time is too dear to spend on stupid people anyway.
True, customer service is usually very "smooth and servile" on the surface in Asia, but when it comes to doing things right they will often do it wrong backwards rather than bend over backwards to do it right.
And I must be a lucky guy since I almost exclusively meet helpful, nice westeners in Asia, who never have threatened to kick the shit out of me in the bathroom. Obviously, I haven't meet szexpat yet.
Cheers,
PN
[QUOTE=Santa]I have met Moody and found him to be a very polite and friendly guy.
However, I think if that guy hadn't backed down and walked away, our friend Moody would have kicked the living shit out of him.[/QUOTE]
Interesting. Seems like something told you that this "polite and friendly" guy could get violent suddenly if just the right buttons are pushed.
I shall refrain from further comments about that, but can't help noticing that his handle is quite befitting, if your observation is correct ;)
[QUOTE=Pute Nut]Interesting. Seems like something told you that this "polite and friendly" guy could get violent suddenly if just the right buttons are pushed.
I shall refrain from further comments about that, but can't help noticing that his handle is quite befitting, if your observation is correct ;)[/QUOTE]
No, I think it is clear from Moody's post that he was very restrained and did not pursue this guy. Even though that arsehole was very rude, Moody tried to be reasonable with him and let him walk.
Moody is a very fit guy, that's all I'm saying.
But if you want to get your arse kicked, try provoking my friend SZexpat!
[QUOTE=Santa]But if you want to get your arse kicked, try provoking my friend SZexpat![/QUOTE]
Well well, China seems to be full of people who want to resolve verbal disagreements with violence. Better steer cleer of your tag team (the fax guy seems pretty safe in comparison) and watch my ass in China then lol..
Personally, I don't enjoy kicking the shit out of people, but rather prefer taking issues higher up the food chain. Takes a little longer, but gives a more longlasting satisfaction. IMO, of course :)
Hey Guys,
Does anyone know of any good and clean suanas in Dashiqiao?
I go there every weekend on Fridays and Saturdays to teach English to high school students. So far I hooked up with the assistant manager of the hotel I stay at and I have used the in room massage girls but all the have is just 4 girls and they are not pretty at all. Only one is half descent. I have been looking around bit I do not see any 3-floor suanas like I have in Shenyang.
I guess this is just too small of a city. If anyone can help me let me know.
Later,
TonyXXX001
[QUOTE=Pute Nut]Well well, China seems to be full of people who want to resolve verbal disagreements with violence. Better steer cleer of your tag team (the fax guy seems pretty safe in comparison) and watch my ass in China then lol..
Personally, I don't enjoy kicking the shit out of people, but rather prefer taking issues higher up the food chain. Takes a little longer, but gives a more longlasting satisfaction. IMO, of course :)[/QUOTE]
Pute Nut,
This is not to be an assault on you; I just disagree with your tactics, to idly sit by and let this guy act like this is something I can't do. I do not condone violence as a way of resolving issues, but sometimes it maybe the only way moron's like this understand that society and life do not revolve around him. Of course, I would have quietly told him to STFU first.
I am not going to relate my many stories of Westerner's here berating people as if their life is more important than theirs, but I see it quite frequently, even goes with monger's who treat the girls like shit because they feel they bought them and own them in some twisted way.
Peace,
SZE
[quote=szexpat]pute nut,
this is not to be an assault on you; i just disagree with your tactics, to idly sit by [/quote]
no problem, sze. let´s agree to dis-agree. i still think that this is a customer relations situation a business center should be able to handle. however unpleasant customer he may seem to be, the guy wasn't physically abusing her, trying to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] her or anything that required immediate attention. as this incident took place within the premises of the business center, why not just let the company resolve the issue according to their business practise, as it's clearly not an emergency?
and since you reported about your background, i can briefly mention that i do also have some background in security, both military and private, although it's a long time ago. in the private part (no pun intended) i actually led a small team in charge of the security of a mid-sized establishment. to the best of my recollection, most of the "issues" were resolved quite peacefully (or with minimal corrective assistance) regardless of nationalities or races involved, thanks of the team's excellent interpersonal skills. the few guys we had to turn over to le were mainly knife-touting young men with middle eastern background, and maybe the odd local druggie, and i have to admit in those rare cases, even our best verbal skills would not have cut it. so of course it's correct to resort to violence, when the other options have been exhausted, to that i do agree. now let's put this to rest. over and out.
cheers,
pn
Ok Let's agree to end it.
[QUOTE=Pute Nut]Are you talkin' to me? :D
Seriously, I've never "justified" the faxrecieving gentleman's actions, but even if I'd do that, frankly it's not your business telling me what I should "justify" or not.
This whole incident probably would have died out after the CSR taking a few more curses (again, that's part her job description to handle such events) if not Moody had stepped in with his obviously lacking interpersonal "skills" trying to "save a sister". Why not just leave it and let the obviously stupid customer run out of air or die of high blood pressure, whichever happens first? Time is too dear to spend on stupid people anyway.
True, customer service is usually very "smooth and servile" on the surface in Asia, but when it comes to doing things right they will often do it wrong backwards rather than bend over backwards to do it right.
And I must be a lucky guy since I almost exclusively meet helpful, nice westeners in Asia, who never have threatened to kick the shit out of me in the bathroom. Obviously, I haven't meet szexpat yet.
Cheers,
PN[/QUOTE]Indeed, you must have been lucky; twice within the last 6 month (3 trips to Guangdong) have I observerved obnoxious behavior by customers in a hotel lounge. Once because too much head on the beer, the other because the 85 pound waitress couldn't get a cork fast enough out of a wine bottle.
Both times, you guessed it, an american. Would have loved to kick both their asses but stayed out of it
As an "Ugly American", I do not want to read anything further on the subject! I know both Moody and Sxexpat and they are pretty mellow guys most of the time. I reckon it would take quite a bit of provocation before either of them would resort to violence.
Just my POV.
By the way, where's the pussy at?
OAH
[QUOTE=Santa]Ok Let's agree to end it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Tonyxxx001]Hey Guys,
Does anyone know of any good and clean suanas in Dashiqiao?
TonyXXX001[/QUOTE]
Tony,
You may want to try this post on "North China - All Areas" or "China - Other Areas" threads.
Just my POV.
OAH
I became quite obsessed in finding a young guide to show me China, be my personal translator and have sex with me as well. After perusing the ISG, I was sent to [url]www.travelion.com[/url] by one of our members.
I speak no chinese, and read none either. After simply clicking around the site, I realized that there were lots of girls advertising their services. But, I had no idea which included "special services" and which did not.
So, I simply sent an email to every girl I could. All my emails were in English, of course. Not all the girls have their email addresses available either. However, I must have sent out 15 of these emails.
The responses were very interesting. There was a small contingent of girls who insisted they were not P4P, and that I should look elsewhere for my special services. Oddly, of the 3 girls in this category, two asked to see my photo. I corresponded with one of these, and she is ready to sleep with me now that she knows that I am an "educated man" (it took several weeks to work out, but she has agreed to travel with me and acknowledges that I would not be expected to pay for two rooms). I think that like all third world girls, most of this group can be landed if one leaves open the possiblity of committment. Then, there was another small group of girls who were willing to have sex with me, but their fees were astronomically high. One girl wanted 5000 RMB per day, and promised me the sex would be great "hehehehehe" (I hate this hehehe crap). When I told her that 5000 RMB was too much, she told me that she would charge 4000 RMB but if that was not good I should find another girl "not so pretty". While I admit this girl is pretty, she is not model material. Finally, there was the group who are simply making a living. They charged 1000-2500 per day, and were mostly about 1500 RMB.
The best deal of the group, in my opinion, is a lovely young girl named Helen who charges 1000 RMB per day and night. In her last email, Helen said, "I will be your guide. I will traveling and sleeping with you, I will make you happy. rmb1000 per day".
Helen's photo can be seen at : [url]http://www.travelion.com/member_profile.asp?user_id=28412[/url]. She looks pretty good for $125 per day. Sadly, I am not going to China anytime soon ( my plans changed instantly when my wife announced that she wanted to join me). You will see that both her email address and her phone number are listed on this site. I encourage someone to test drive "Helen" and report back!
[QUOTE=Forest]I became quite obsessed in finding a young guide to show me China, be my personal translator and have sex with me as well... One girl wanted 5000 RMB per day, and promised me the sex would be great "hehehehehe" (I hate this hehehe crap). When I told her that 5000 RMB was too much, she told me that she would charge 4000 RMB but if that was not good I should find another girl "not so pretty". While I admit this girl is pretty, she is not model material. Finally, there was the group who are simply making a living. They charged 1000-2500 per day, and were mostly about 1500 RMB...
The best deal of the group, in my opinion, is a lovely young girl named Helen who charges 1000 RMB per day and night. In her last email, Helen said, "I will be your guide. I will traveling and sleeping with you, I will make you happy. rmb1000 per day"... She looks pretty good for $125 per day... [/QUOTE]
Yes, she does look pretty good for the asking price. Just to put things into perspective (my liang fen's 0.02 worth): An elementary school teacher with a bachelor's degree teaching in the public school system in the northeast makes a little under RMB 1000 a month. Rent will take a good chunk (at least a third) out of that assuming she shares an apartment.
Hence, the china girl's definition of winning the lotto: make 5 months' salary in one day! Not bad.
[QUOTE=Forest]Helen's photo can be seen at : [url]http://www.travelion.com/member_profile.asp?user_id=28412[/url]. She looks pretty good for $125 per day. [/QUOTE]
I am sure that picture is a studio picture she took somewhere from the web. Far too professional for a "simple person" picture.
[QUOTE=Forest]Helen's photo can be seen at : [url]http://www.travelion.com/member_profile.asp?user_id=28412[/url]. She looks pretty good for $125 per day. Sadly, I am not going to China anytime soon ( my plans changed instantly when my wife announced that she wanted to join me). You will see that both her email address and her phone number are listed on this site. I encourage someone to test drive "Helen" and report back![/QUOTE]
In my line of work in China, I have come to realize that Chinese girls are really into S&M!!
I can probably count on my hands the amount of girls I've seen that actually looked like their glamour photos, some are close, some not so close and some so far out in left field that I would call the photographer a freakin' Miracle Worker. I would certainly tell you or anyone else to "Try it before you buy it"
-SZE
BTW: S&M in this report refers to Smoke & Mirrors
Hey Guys,
I Am Currently In Shanghai For Few Days. Any Good Massage Places And Safe Night Outs Recommedned.
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Hi Pixie,
I sincerely appreciate your reports, but...
[red][u]Would you please STOP capitalizing the first letter of EVERY word in your reports![/u][/red]
It's difficult to read, it's time consuming to fix, and it takes you more work to write like that.
On behalf of myself and your fellow Forum Members: [i]Thank You![/i]
Jackson[/blue]
I suggest you read Shanghai thread to find easily all information you asked for.
Particularly in last days there are a lot of posts reporting about massage (sauna) places.
[QUOTE=Pixie]Hey Guys,
I Am Currently In Shanghai For Few Days. Any Good Massage Places And Safe Night Outs Recommedned.
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Albert Punter]I suggest you read Shanghai thread to find easily all information you asked for.
Particularly in last days there are a lot of posts reporting about massage (sauna) places.[/QUOTE]
It makes sense that this guy Pixie is asking for help - he can't even figure out which thread to post in!
MAB
I can't believe you guys are even giving him the time of day!
[QUOTE=Mock A Bee]It makes sense that this guy Pixie is asking for help - he can't even figure out which thread to post in!
MAB[/QUOTE]
Actually, mine was a soft way to tell RTFF ;-)
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]I can't believe you guys are even giving him the time of day![/QUOTE]
To whom it concerns...
Many members, new or not new doesn't matter, request/expect support from members about locations and market rules.
Because of past and still flaming activities against some members, new members should show their contribution to the board first to be invited or a real life contact continued. We know that many informations are posted again and again, but we also know that there are many ways to show your contributions to the board. It's not only a contribution to the board, also to members posting reports which you use to get around.
When you get requested/expected information from a member about locations and local market rules, respect the rules, respect the member who gave you this information.
"Local market rules" also includes prices we pay and you also should pay. Members overpaying local prices are disrespectful. Disrespectful to the local rules and more to the member(s) who gave this information. It's not a matter of "Hey..you can not afford it? I can...", no it's a matter of respect.
[b]Members who are acting disrespectful will not get any support! This especially points to members who are overpaying and reporting about this with pride or members never contributed to the forum![/b]
You will be ignored and a already settled real life contact stopped being maintained.
Respect other members, respect local market rules, respect gals, do your monger activities in a respectful way!
LW
Does anybody have any new or useful information regarding flights between USA and China. Cheapest flights, interesting deals, combination domestic China flight deals, or new flights.
Here is my small contribution.
1. I think Warren Buffett bought shares in Hainan Airlines. Can anyone confirm?
2. I think Delta Airlines will be starting direct flights between Shanghai and Atlanta early next year.
A friend of mine just paid this on Cathay Pacific last week after shopping on the net and with a travel agent for a week. The trip is for mid-June till July 7th and is from JFK to HKG.
Best of luck on your search.
[QUOTE=Santa]
1. I think Warren Buffett bought shares in Hainan Airlines. Can anyone confirm? [/QUOTE]
I think Warren Buffett bought Hainan chicken. Can anyone confirm?
Bill
Here is a something funny.
I went to a legit foot massage recently, the Masseuses started as per normal with foot bath and follow by the foot massage. We chatted along during my foot massage and she knew I am single. It was not until she hit a certain part of my right foot when suddenly she exclaimed to me with a smile on her face; "You are very active in your sex life isn't it?" I was curious so I asked; "How you know?" She got around to explain that our feet actually represent different parts of our internal organs (which I already knew) and pointing to a certain part of the foot, she told me that this part represent the male sex organ. While massaging the different part of the foot; if we felt pain, which means that organ is weak, but if she felt that certain part is tough, that means that organ is strong; strong in a sense that we had engaged lots of exercise for that part of the muscles or organ to strengthen it.
She kept on smiling at me when she carried on to asked how many girlfriends I must have, whether in China or different part of the world…….
This actually gave me a different perspective of foot massage girl! Seems that they must have known how active you are in sex life and size you up before you actually have a chance to take them as freebie!
Enjoy!
AG
[QUOTE=Santa]Does anybody have any new or useful information regarding flights between USA and China. Cheapest flights, interesting deals, combination domestic China flight deals, or new flights.
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Santa,
Traveling during the summer is the most expensive time to travel. It’s summer vacation and then school out. Next traveling during X-Mas and during Chinese New Year are bad. But for Chinese New Year, it’s is only effects travel around Asian.
I think If Bill’s friend just left one month early, he could have saved about 400USD. For Fast Eddie’s of 875USD, I think I saw that deal too but I it’s only for SFO and for the month of March/April. It's nolonger on Cathy Pacific's website. They do have something from SFO/LAX/JFK to China now for April's specials.
I believe Singapore Air has a deal now for SFO. The travel times are from 2/13/07 to 05/23/07 for $832 final total. I did not see anything else for other US cities to China. Please check the website to verify the information. The prices also changes from day to day and each city is different. Last year, I recall, they has a deal on Singapore Air. Two week later the price went up a little but the deal did not expire. Therefore, it’s best to check.
Suggestions for other type of deals? If you travel with another person ( double occupancy ), going to a travel agent in a local USA/Canada Chinatown has some great deals. There are flyers posted on front of their stores advertising flights to Asia, Europe, Japan etc. But if you are traveling alone, then it’s not worth it because you have to pay a surcharge. The surcharge is additional 150-200USD. The airlines will sell rows and rows of seats to the tour companies. The tour companies will a get large discount. In turn they will sell them to travel agents. Including in the airfares are 3-5 days of hotel. In LA and SF you can get deals with hotels to Hong Kong/Shaighai/Beijing even NOW for during the summer for about 1000-1200 USD total. They are great deals if you consider the prices for 3-5 star hotels in these cities are from 100 to 200USD a day.
With these deals are restrictions, like cancellations, and number of days allowed to stay. The number of days is usually 30 to 45. Last, like all great deals they fill and end fast. Remember each airline and city have they own deals and the phases, YMMV applies He..he...
You can be an air courier. You help companies bring documents and packages on your flight. You are only allowed to carry one carry on bag. The price was $500USD during the summer from LAX to HK about 5 years ago. The normal airfares at the time were around 800. During non peak travel times, it can be as low as 400USD. However, since 911 everything changed.
With the way most Chinese take antibiotics (like Cipro) akin to candy, this isn't good news from a China perspective....
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070412/ap_on_he_me/resistant_gonorrhea;_ylt=AuFsQlgcWCJrdLSjh867Np_MWM0F[/url]
And then ISG, too?? But hopefully, "perverting foreign minds" isn't a serious offense...
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070413/ap_on_hi_te/china_online_porn;_ylt=AjkpPUYb0J422GbjN4OF4yvMWM0F[/url]
J
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Here is a something funny.
I went to a legit foot massage recently, the Masseuses started as per normal with foot bath and follow by the foot massage. We chatted along during my foot massage and she knew I am single. It was not until she hit a certain part of my right foot when suddenly she exclaimed to me with a smile on her face; "You are very active in your sex life isn't it?" I was curious so I asked; "How you know?" She got around to explain that our feet actually represent different parts of our internal organs (which I already knew) and pointing to a certain part of the foot, she told me that this part represent the male sex organ. While massaging the different part of the foot; if we felt pain, which means that organ is weak, but if she felt that certain part is tough, that means that organ is strong; strong in a sense that we had engaged lots of exercise for that part of the muscles or organ to strengthen it.
AG[/QUOTE]
I got a foot massage once that hurt so bad, I had to go to the hospital a few days later and was diagnosed with severe tendonitis......does this mean my penis does not work well or that my sex life is in the shitter?
-SZE
[QUOTE=Johnnykon666]With the way most Chinese take antibiotics (like Cipro) akin to candy, this isn't good news from a China perspective....
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070412/ap_on_he_me/resistant_gonorrhea;_ylt=AuFsQlgcWCJrdLSjh867Np_MWM0F[/url]
And then ISG, too?? But hopefully, "perverting foreign minds" isn't a serious offense...
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070413/ap_on_hi_te/china_online_porn;_ylt=AjkpPUYb0J422GbjN4OF4yvMWM0F[/url]
J[/QUOTE]
Thank you Johnny Kon.
1.The report about the evolution of drug resistant infectious bacteria and viruses is a real cause for concern.
2. Regarding "porn sites", we also have the possibility that the chinese government will block access to this ISG site. It is already blocked in most internet cafes. I'm sure the chinese censors would not like the photos and videos of well hung waiguos having their cocks sucked by chinese ladies.
I think it is only a matter of time before this site is also blocked.
There was a time when Jackson's WSG Forum went off the internet and friends were unable to contact each other or get any info about what had happened.
Maybe we should all agree on an internet place where we can meet up in the event that this site is blocked. Would that be a violation of Jackson's rules?
[QUOTE=Szexpat]I got a foot massage once that hurt so bad, I had to go to the hospital a few days later and was diagnosed with severe tendonitis......does this mean my penis does not work well or that my sex life is in the shitter?
-SZE[/QUOTE]
Dr. Gallent's advice;
Take this drug named "CP" three times daily for the next 2 weeks and your pains will be gone!
hahahaha!
AG
Join Crazy Jim on his multi-city traveling Sex Circus featuring two civilians and a half dozen professionals:
Chengdu: Minshan Hotel. I visited a girlfirend living in Chengdu. After rebuffing her marriage proposal, she became quite cold and I had to stay at the above hotel. The massage/FS at the hotel sauna was 690. I was presented with three young women, all with average looks, small tits and very dark skin. The one I chose had severe baby damage and skimped on the service, providing only FS and not the oral service I had expected after an attendant brought in glasses of hot and cold water. She was ok in bed, made no bone about foreigner size. I was also able to push her knees back to her neck while pile driving her. Would not repeat.
My squeeze wanted to go shopping, apparently becoming pragmatic about our relationship, and we had a very enjoyable sexual intercourse in the room. She has a great ass and naturally narrow landing strip with no hair on the sides of the mound, only above it, and no hair on her ass. Perfect. Tits a little small but a very comfortable ass makes up for it. She was also apprehensive about size and became fastidious about condoms all of a sudden, and I was asked to go slow. After a thorough rogering we went shopping and she cleaned me out for about 1600 RMB. Oh, well. More professional than the massage girl, but also a better lay. She babbles on incessantly while making love “oh, more, oh, harder, oh, deeper” in this incredibly sexy/pompous English accent.
Nanjing: Metropolitan Crown Hotel (Weijing Guoji in Chinese: the old Sheraton). I summoned the hotel masseuse to my room this time. Fei Fei showed up at my door in her little come fuck me plaid skirt and white sleeveless shirt with a basket with oil in a black, ceramic pitcher and towel. She was as tall as a model but had a healthy, full body and was no anorexic stick person. She wanted 1,800 for FS plus 200 for the massage. I got her down to 800/200. She had huge, pendulous breasts that were oh so soft. She talked spastically and it quickly became apparent that she was apprehensive of foreigner size. Once she saw Little Jim she went into “hao da, hao da” paroxysms and entreated me to be gentle. She was reasonably passionate while making love and kept saying crazy things in the local accent while making her “o” face that I could not understand. She asked how she can make her breasts larger. I told her that I can provide her a “special” cream that she can rub into them that will help, but only if applied on a daily basis.
Shanghai 1: Holiday Inn Great Wall (by the train station): I dined in at the sauna, as I had another girlfirend (different from Chengdu squeeze) in the room. She was on the rag (I really messed up my timing this time) so did not notice that my sexual appetite had been diminished by the sauna visit. I had Annie in the sauna. At night Annie liked to stake out the elevator in the lobby, encouraging guests to visit the sauna.
Again, I was forced to pay exorbitant costs: 300 for sauna/massage and 900 FS. But, it was worth it. She told me that she would kiss and kiss she did. My God, she was an excellent kisser, full lips and a big lolling tongue, it was shear bliss. She also looked good in the little come fuck me skirt, which I convinced her to keep on during The Love Act. She was slightly apprehensive of size, but seemed to enjoy herself well enough. She also had nice, long nipples that became erect during kissing and sex. What a hottie. She was overall best in show for my trip. She also asked about breast enlargement.
The next night my freebie had to leave, so as soon as I saw her off I came back and ordered in from the sauna. M, who also liked to hang out in the lobby exhorting guests to come to the Sauna, had also captured my interest. So, I rang up the sauna and asked for M.
I guess M is actually the receptionist, but she was curious to see who had called, and proceeded to my room. She was a bit of a faker, and also apprehensive of foreigner size. Her very fake crying out during making love became a little distracting. However, she was a champ, and after our session she gave me her phone number. We talked for a good while, during which she received a call from her “father” (husband?), who believes that she is in Nanjing to study. We talked a while longer, then the sauna started to ring her phone incessantly and she had to go. I guess there was no one to run the desk when she wasn’t there. Damage was again 300/900.
The hotel also had a lobby bar with a Filipina live band which was a lot of fun, and very good hamburgers and margaritas, as well as other drinks, could be ordered there as well.
Hefei: Holiday Inn. I visited the hotel sauna where I was given my choice of three hotties. Two were young, pudgy little things without much of note. The third, Y, was kind of different. Don’t know exactly how. She was quite pretty, but her unflattering dress hid a very nice body. I am lucky that I chose her. She had a perfect body, graceful but sexy legs, smallish breasts but still large enough, inverted nipples, and very soft skin. She had a nice, tight belly with no baby damage and a real tight snatch.
She performed the hot/cold water and sucking game. It feels like some octopus with little sucker lips hovering all over your body. Not really that fun. She did not kiss, that was the only really bad part. She was very concerned about size, and kept asking all these weird questions about foreigner sexual prowess. Apparently she has watched one x-rated movie too many.
She was great in bed. It was almost like fucking a virgin. I guess she had only been there a few days. She said so and I believed her. She sure could talk the talk, but she was still concerned about the act and wanted me to go very slow. So I did just a little, just the head, in and out, until she started to get heated up, then I went full bore. She really started to grimace, pant, and cry out. I stopped, because I thought she might be in pain, but she was actually excited and enjoying herself. When her eyes rolled back I lost it. When I pulled out, I saw her cum pooled on my scrotum. Total damage: 1300: 100 for the pool boy to wipe off my back in the sauna. 300 for the “tui you” massage with no extras. 1000 for FS (100 for back drying off refunded).
We talked for quite a while, and she gave me her phone number. As my girlfriend would be there the next day, I could not meet her that day, but I made arrangements for the following day.
When the day came, we went out for lunch at Pizza Hut, then went shopping to buy her some sexy underwear. Of course, she is a “traditional” girl and would not actually buy in really sexy underwear. The whole time we were out, she kept calling her husband, who has no idea what she does. Then, she took me to see her sister, and we went out for karaoke. No fiction could be stranger than this life, but it’s all in a day’s work for Crazy Jim.
I just do not get traditional girls. They wear old grandma underwear in a *****house, won’t kiss but will give you a cat bath, and will fuck but only after a shopping trip.
Shanghai 2: Back to Shanghai for more. Went to Hooters. Sophia and Vivien waited on me. Very nice girls, excellent burger, this place is highly recommended.
In the Hongqiao Airport, I saw a sign for a sauna in the attached Honggang Hotel (to the far right of Block A as you enter). Bin Bin came to my room. Cute girl from Chongjing, very friendly. She was wearing a business suit. I opted for the tui you for 500 RMB as I was in a hurry. She began to stroke me with baby oil. She continued to try to up sell to FS for 1000 RMB. The longer she stroked and demurely flicked her lashes the harder it was to refuse. I gave in. She took off her panties and skirt and I got to fuck her in the business suit. Cool. She was really into it, I believe her panting may have been real. She even scratched my back in her passion.
I was hit with an additional 100 RMB for the room, and there was no shower facility on that floor, so I had to take a Mexican shower in the airplane lavatory later. Thank God they had paper towel and not the usual facial tissue in the airplane. The facilities, other than lack of shower, were nice, and the service was excellent. Highly recommend.
Well, that concludes my odyssey. Some may find the hotel sauna prices high, but the only session that I regretted was the 690 session in Chengdu. The 1,000 RMB range guranteed a masseuse in a come fuck me skirt with excellent, friendly attitude and no baby damage. A little more expensive than the street, but much more relaxing.
Jimbo
There have been many queries recently about finding stunners. The only place I've seen a congregation of real stunners in China was at the old Passions in Beijing. I understand it opened up again, but I've not been there since so I cannot comment on the current situation.
China is no exception. The top quality talent goes after the big money. They don't need to fuck guys every day at a KTV or Sauna. As Sxexpat so appropriately put it, they are found on the arms of very rich dudes. Moody says that they can be found in the high-end KTVs. This can be true. Moody probably also knows that the normal guest of a KTV may never see the top end that are being exclusively offered to the regular, high rolling, VIP guests. Most are booked for sitting fees every night and only fuck selected customers. The best are snatched up as private material by the big punters very, very quickly. To make a long story short, you are not likely to find many stunners available for standard P4P on a one off basis.
Having said all that, if you monger in China long and often enough, you may get lucky with the timing and find a real stunner occasionally. I've been lucky enough to even find a few in BBS for 150 RMB ST, but it is only a few out of over 1,000 encounters and they do not stay in the BBS either for very long at all.
Just my POV.
OAH
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]There have been many queries recently about finding stunners. The only place I've seen a congregation of real stunners in China was at the old Passions in Beijing. I understand it opened up again, but I've not been there since so I cannot comment on the current situation.
China is no exception. The top quality talent goes after the big money. They don't need to fuck guys every day at a KTV or Sauna. As Sxexpat so appropriately put it, they are found on the arms of very rich dudes. Moody says that they can be found in the high-end KTVs. This can be true. Moody probably also knows that the normal guest of a KTV may never see the top end that are being exclusively offered to the regular, high rolling, VIP guests. Most are booked for sitting fees every night and only fuck selected customers. The best are snatched up as private material by the big punters very, very quickly. To make a long story short, you are not likely to find many stunners available for standard P4P on a one off basis.
Having said all that, if you monger in China long and often enough, you may get lucky with the timing and find a real stunner occasionally. I've been lucky enough to even find a few in BBS for 150 RMB ST, but it is only a few out of over 1,000 encounters and they do not stay in the BBS either for very long at all.
Just my POV.
OAH[/QUOTE]
I had been to several high-end KTVs in Shanghai and Beijing where 80 - 90% of the girls are between 7/10 - 9/10. In these places, you have to prepare to walk out of the KTV, at least 5,000 poorer if you go there alone (Who does that? Maybe OWL?)
Paradize is one example of such KTV in Shanghai. That is where I entertain my government official guests. Moody is right too! These girls will only do selected guest. Even if you are Manager level and below, they will drink, sing and play drinking games with you but they will reject your offer to bring them out! One of their way to tell you that they will not go is to start with a asking price of 10,000 for ST.
Another possible source of stunners are those independent Escorts. These are those "Not so famous" models which hang around bars like Park 97.
Enjoy!
AG
AG is just helping to spread a myth about me being a big spender. You guys really love to start flame wars.
I cant think of any girls who I would spend 5000Y to fuck. I would never wanna fuck any snobbish girls who think they can make guys pay a lot of money for them. I dont wanna fuck up. I dont wanna fuck down. Unless the girls are genuinely level and consentual with me, I dont wanna do it.
Had some very good all nighters with the KTV girls in SZ for 1500Y and Houjie for 1000Y. Even that is kind of expensive. 1000Y for a day of unlimited sex with a good-looking Chinese girl is not a bad deal. There is enough time for a little of simulated romantic feelings to develop. The 200Y ST for a couple hours with the Yalan girls is also a very good deal.
If you guys want cheap ST sex, goto Tijuana, Mexico. In one alley there are at least 50 SW's leaning against walls, tugging at passers-by for US$20 fucks. A few want US $30, they think of themselves as high-class. They turn far fewer tricks than the $20 girls. The club girls want $60 plus $11 ST hotel. There are many very good-looking chicas in clubs and on streets. IMHO the Mexican chicas tend to show higher mileage, whereas Chinese girls are nice and fresh.
The main excitement is the big selections at low prices at places like Yalan or ZH. It's about all you can screw without going bankrupt. It feels good.
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]I had been to several high-end KTVs in Shanghai and Beijing where 80 - 90% of the girls are between 7/10 - 9/10. In these places, you have to prepare to walk out of the KTV, at least 5,000 poorer if you go there alone (Who does that? Maybe OWL?)
AG[/QUOTE]
Can anyone recommend some place in China that is known for young women? Thanks.
According to the book, it is somewhere east of Tibet, but I think getting a flight there might be tough.
[QUOTE=Levitian]My tip: Shangri-La, if you can find it, then (let us know).
Levitian[/QUOTE]
No, she is not Chinese, you are right, Filipina, and if Levitian asks, I am not telling him her age. Angeles City: heaven on Earth.
[blue]Greetings Everyone,
I recently cleaned up this thread by deleting a number of off-topic and otherwise worthless posts by Guinness, as well as a number responses made by other forum members to these deleted posts.
This cleanup process is not perfect, and it's possible that I may have inadvertently deleted a few otherwise legitimate posts. If you find that your own report was also deleted, please don't take it personally.
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]
I cant think of any girls who I would spend 5000Y to fuck. I would never wanna fuck any snobbish girls who think they can make guys pay a lot of money for them. I dont wanna fuck up. I dont wanna fuck down. Unless the girls are genuinely level and consentual with me, I dont wanna do it.
[/QUOTE]
Actually after reviewing OWL post on this subject I have my opinion below:
I [B]would[/B] fuck a snobbish girl! Because they are snobbish I would fuck them, made them do all sorts of things. Of course; how would I do it? I would pay them more but will made them do more then what they will usually do. Like CIM, swallow, AF, etc.... End of the session I would remind them, they are Pros, look at themselves on how low they can go just for money, they have no difference then the Pros on the streets.
This will teach them a lesson. A good friend once taught me (In Chinese): "To handle such snobbish person, we throw money at them till they die".
Enjoy!
AG
[QUOTE=Mak Daddy]Can anyone recommend some place in China that is known for young women? Thanks.[/QUOTE]
Any place. They are everywhere. In fact, I guess the average working girls age is early 20th, that's already young enough.
[QUOTE=DayNight]Any place. They are everywhere. In fact, I guess the average working girls age is early 20th, that's already young enough.[/QUOTE]
Even at 20 something, Asians tend to look very very young. It might be best to card them to check their age because some can pass easily for less than 18.
[QUOTE=Admin][blue]Greetings Everyone,
I recently cleaned up this thread by deleting a number of off-topic and otherwise worthless posts by Guinness, as well as a number responses made by other forum members to these deleted posts.
This cleanup process is not perfect, and it's possible that I may have inadvertently deleted a few otherwise legitimate posts. If you find that your own report was also deleted, please don't take it personally.
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue][/QUOTE]
Some of the posts recently deleted were private messages received by Guinness, from another member about another member. I have exchanged hundreds of private messages, and when I exchange "private messages", I expect them to remain "private".
Is it a violation of forum rules to post "private messages" received?
If another member posted a private message I had sent him, I think I would consider that a betrayal of trust.
Am I wrong?
I would do snobbish girl too (I did in the past in other countries).
What I enjoyed was giving her some lesson of life, exactly as AG stated.
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Actually after reviewing OWL post on this subject I have my opinion below:
I [B]would[/B] fuck a snobbish girl! Because they are snobbish I would fuck them, made them do all sorts of things. Of course; how would I do it? I would pay them more but will made them do more then what they will usually do. Like CIM, swallow, AF, etc.... End of the session I would remind them, they are Pros, look at themselves on how low they can go just for money, they have no difference then the Pros on the streets.
This will teach them a lesson. A good friend once taught me (In Chinese): "To handle such snobbish person, we throw money at them till they die".
Enjoy!
AG[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Santa]Some of the posts recently deleted were private messages received by Guinness, from another member about another member. I have exchanged hundreds of private messages, and when I exchange "private messages", I expect them to remain "private".
Is it a violation of forum rules to post "private messages" received?
If another member posted a private message I had sent him, I think I would consider that a betrayal of trust.
Am I wrong?[/QUOTE]
Hi Santa,
I am not sure what your point is but Jackson did not banned Charlie Hustler and Guinness because of posting Private Messages exchange between themselves and some other members. He Banned them because they are Serial Antagonist or Stealth Serial Antagonist.
If you check the "Banned Users Hall of Shame" threads Jackson gave a good explaination on this. Follow the below links:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=592962&postcount=107[/url]
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=592976&postcount=108[/url]
Anyway, they are history!
For the Betrayal of Trust part, I think this is not the first case it had happened. Coincidentally, the two recent cases are related to these Serial Antagonists who are "Antagonising" me :D and my friends on the board. Betrayal of trust had to be deal with directly by the person whom was been betrayed and not a problem with ISG. For this matter, I had alerted Mock A Bee on this issue. Anyways, the whole drama is over before he know what is happening.
However this brought up a good point about exchanging information on yourself or your friends to person or persons that we had not met on the board. You can never trust the person whom you had not met or even the person whom you had met but does not know a lot about. I will only share information of myself with members of the inner circle. (Yes, Santa you are one of them! Because I know your Full name and your identity). But I will never share or talk about any other members whom I had met (my friends) to anyone unless with with permission or consent from the person himself.
Enjoy
AG
When you send a PM over to anybody, you're always taking a chance that it can forwarded to someone else or posted on the board. Just be careful of what you write and who to trust.
Like the time you wrote to me:
"Santa still enjoys the thrill of young boys and girls on his lap. Is that so wrong? Bill."
And of course people can make up PM to forward or post.
Well, like AG says, "Enjoy."
Bill
[QUOTE=Santa]Some of the posts recently deleted were private messages received by Guinness, from another member about another member. I have exchanged hundreds of private messages, and when I exchange "private messages", I expect them to remain "private".
Is it a violation of forum rules to post "private messages" received?
If another member posted a private message I had sent him, I think I would consider that a betrayal of trust.
Am I wrong?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]
Like the time you wrote to me:
"Santa still enjoys the thrill of young boys and girls on his lap. Is that so wrong Bill?"
Well, like AG says, "Enjoy."
Bill[/QUOTE]
AG: Oh dear!!!!! Santa!!! Bad Santa!!!!
Santa: Santa no fuck deer.... deer too fast....Santa old man cannot catch!!! :D :D :D
Bill, that was my closing word! "Enjoy" Pay me patent!!!!!
:D
Enjoy!
AG
I agree, we should be very careful about what we say in private messages, especially when we don't know the person asking the questions.
The messages I mentioned were not derogatory, but I was shocked to see "private messages" posted on the board.
I believe it happened before. Gualtier Maude became very angry when someone posted one of his private messages.
Lesson. PMs are not always private.
Just to let everyone know, I am posting this report while I am 35,000 Ft up in the sky. This Wireless Internet in the Aircraft is cool! But I heard only Japan Airlines offer this. I am not sure is this true?
The important thing is: "ISG is not blocked!"
Enjoy!
AG
I was referred to the China forum from the Phillipines Thread. Someone mentioned that it was easy as going to 7-11 to get the emergency contraceptive pill - What's commonly called the Plan B or The Morning After pill.
Does anyone have any experience getting them in ShenZhen, Dongguan or Hong Kong?
[QUOTE=Diver69]I was referred to the China forum from the Phillipines Thread. Someone mentioned that it was easy as going to 7-11 to get the emergency contraceptive pill - What's commonly called the Plan B or The Morning After pill.
Does anyone have any experience getting them in ShenZhen, Dongguan or Hong Kong?[/QUOTE]
Yep, can get this in any drug store in Shenzhen, the pill runs about 45 rmb, No prescription needed.
-SZE
[QUOTE=Diver69]I was referred to the China forum from the Phillipines Thread. Someone mentioned that it was easy as going to 7-11 to get the emergency contraceptive pill - What's commonly called the Plan B or The Morning After pill.
Does anyone have any experience getting them in ShenZhen, Dongguan or Hong Kong?[/QUOTE]
You cannot get Contraceptive Pills in 7-11 but you can get them in Pharmacy throughout China. The "Day Pill" can also be bought from the Pharmacy. In Dongguan you can obtain them also from Adult Health Shops. This shops also sell sex toys.
Enjoy!
AG
For some interesting reading, read the reports from our ISG mongering buddies in Iraq and Afghanistan.
ag,
how's the download speed? is it same as dsl or cable?
do they offer this in all class of seat, or just business or first?
finally, how much do they charge for this service?
mpfslover
[quote=ace gallant]just to let everyone know, i am posting this report while i am 35,000 ft up in the sky. this wireless internet in the aircraft is cool! but i heard only japan airlines offer this. i am not sure is this true?
the important thing is: "isg is not blocked!"
enjoy!
ag[/quote]
[quote=mpfslover]ag,
how's the download speed? is it same as dsl or cable?
do they offer this in all class of seat, or just business or first?
finally, how much do they charge for this service?
mpfslover[/quote]
i should say the speed was impressive as i never think it would be possible for such connection 30000 - 40000 ft up the the air! but if you are to compare it to 512kbps asdl in usa, you can say... there are rooms for improvements. i am better off comparing to asdl in china, not realiable and varies in speed. the isg main page took 1 min to load.
i was in business class, i wasn't asked to pay anything. been wireless, i assumed that it is open to all classes, as the connection was 802.11g. with that you can go up to 100ft at 54gbps without blockage.
enjoy!
ag
If you go to the General Info thread on the Iraq board you can see a video of a guy fucking a donkey. Look for post #101 by Arasari, dated 05-03-07.
I knew a guy who liked to fuck chickens, but I guess you have to be a "real man" to copulate with a donkey. :D
i know lufthansa offer this service too.
it is wi-fi only and works in all classes at very high speed.
sorry, but i don't remember costs now.
[quote=ace gallant]just to let everyone know, i am posting this report while i am 35,000 ft up in the sky. this wireless internet in the aircraft is cool! but i heard only japan airlines offer this. i am not sure is this true?
the important thing is: "isg is not blocked!"
enjoy!
ag[/quote]
Santa,
I don't know if yours is a joke as I didn't dare to go to that post.
However, isn't this a forum about "sex between men and women" ?
So, what about rules enforcement in that case ?
Oh, now I got it.
As it is not explicitly forbidden, it means it is allowed to discuss sex with donkeys ........
[QUOTE=Santa]If you go to the General Info thread on the Iraq board you can see a video of a guy fucking a donkey. Look for post #101 by Arasari, dated 05-03-07.
I knew a guy who liked to fuck chickens, but I guess you have to be a "real man" to copulate with a donkey. :D[/QUOTE]
Hey, everybody needs a hobby! :D LOL
"A day without laughter is a day wasted." Charley Chaplin
[quote=albert punter]i know lufthansa offer this service too.
it is wi-fi only and works in all classes at very high speed.
sorry, but i don't remember costs now.[/quote]
it used to be available on various airlines, including cx, sq and number of european airlines...technology from boeing and priced at arund $25-30 per trip....but recently discontinued - at least by boeing.
connection was fairly robust and when isight came out, many apple users would broadcast from 5 miles up....although never saw anyone actually post from the '5 mile club' :)
[i]chicago, aug. 17, 2006 -- the boeing company [nyse: ba] today announced that a detailed business and market analysis of connexion by boeing is complete, and the company has decided to exit the high-speed broadband communications connectivity markets. boeing will work with its customers to facilitate an orderly phase out of the connexion by boeing service.
"over the last six years, we have invested substantial time, resources and technology in connexion by boeing," said boeing chairman, president and ceo jim mcnerney. "regrettably, the market for this service has not materialized as had been expected. we believe this decision best balances the long-term interests of all parties with a stake in connexion by boeing."[/i]
I agree 100%, so allow me to tell a joke.
In a remote area on top of mountains, there is a small camp of shepherds.
They spend all day out with their flocks and in the evening when they come back they are exhausted. Only thing they can do at night is to sit around a fire and to talk about what they have done during their boring day.
Unfortunately, as they are far from the village, they don’t meet women for months. This miserable situation drives many to have sexual intercourse with sheep. When sharing this type of experience, all of them report they have sex doggy style. However, one of them states he does it missionary, explaining: “You are stupid, you don’t take the best out of it. When I penetrate her missionary, I can DFK !”
[QUOTE=Santa]Hey, everybody needs a hobby! :D LOL
"A day without laughter is a day wasted." Charley Chaplin[/QUOTE]
I've written about this before and was happy to get on the site again using unbl0ck however I still can't send any messages or participate in the chat rooms. Does anyone have any advice how to get access in China.
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]You cannot get Contraceptive Pills in 7-11 but you can get them in Pharmacy throughout China. The "Day Pill" can also be bought from the Pharmacy. In Dongguan you can obtain them also from Adult Health Shops. This shops also sell sex toys.
Enjoy!
AG[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the info folks.
What do they call it in China? I mean the Chinese name?
And what about in Hong Kong? Any idea where to get them in HK and if prescription is needed?
They cost about $40 per packs (2 pills) here in the Great White North, and no prescription needed, but the Pharmacist wants to talk to the female to educate her....kind of hard for me to pass myself off as the female user of the pills.
As long as it's a female donkey it's ok.
[QUOTE=Albert Punter]Santa,
I don't know if yours is a joke as I didn't dare to go to that post.
However, isn't this a forum about "sex between men and women" ?
So, what about rules enforcement in that case ?
Oh, now I got it.
As it is not explicitly forbidden, it means it is allowed to discuss sex with donkeys ........[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Diver69]Thanks for the info folks.
What do they call it in China? I mean the Chinese name?
And what about in Hong Kong? Any idea where to get them in HK and if prescription is needed?
They cost about $40 per packs (2 pills) here in the Great White North, and no prescription needed, but the Pharmacist wants to talk to the female to educate her....kind of hard for me to pass myself off as the female user of the pills.[/QUOTE]
It is call jing3 ji2 bi4 yun4 yao4 (Emergency Contraceptive) but sometimes just tell them Bi3 Yun4 Yao4 (Contraceptive) and they will ask you those normal 20 pill ones or 1 - 2 pill type.
In fact the real day pills are more of a abortion pill rather than Contraceptive.
There are several brands of it, costing from 50 to 120RMB per pack of 1 to 2 pills. No prescription needed either. The education part is more of the fact that, it does have side effects and it is not recommended for the usage of more than 4 time over a period of 1 year.
In hong Kong is it available in most Pharmacy.
Enjoy!
AG
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]It is call jing3 ji2 bi4 yun4 yao4 (Emergency Contraceptive) but sometimes just tell them Bi3 Yun4 Yao4 (Contraceptive) and they will ask you those normal 20 pill ones or 1 - 2 pill type.
In fact the real day pills are more of a abortion pill rather than Contraceptive.
There are several brands of it, costing from 50 to 120RMB per pack of 1 to 2 pills. No prescription needed either. The education part is more of the fact that, it does have side effects and it is not recommended for the usage of more than 4 time over a period of 1 year.
In hong Kong is it available in most Pharmacy.
Enjoy!
AG[/QUOTE]Just in case, print the Chinese out and take it along. AG, I hope I didn't make a mistake this time, if so please correct.
Hong Kong: 緊急避孕藥
China: 紧急避孕药
[QUOTE=Tiger 888]Just in case, print the Chinese out and take it along. AG, I hope I didn't make a mistake this time, if so please correct.
Hong Kong: 緊急避孕藥
China: 紧急避孕药[/QUOTE]
These are correct.
Enjoy
AG
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]In fact the real day pills are more of a abortion pill rather than Contraceptive.
There are several brands of it, costing from 50 to 120RMB per pack of 1 to 2 pills. [/QUOTE]
It's more like rmb10-20. There are both, 1-pill and 2-pill versions.
They are not abortion pills and work only up to 3 days after having sex. An abortion pill is chemically the same, but dosis is about 20 times higher. With a real abortion pill you need a 2nd pill that opens the uterus so the dead fetus can leave. Without that 2nd pill it can be deadly.
saw this in today's news. the dateline is amsterdam, but i'm sure it's relevant everywhere:
[quote]
amsterdam, netherlands (ap) -- passengers hardly blinked at the introduction of a new security scanning system this week at amsterdam's airport as part of anti-terrorism efforts, a spokeswoman said wednesday, even thought the machine in essence allows guards to peer beneath their clothes.
...
the "active millimeter wave" technology system under trial at schiphol airport is also being tested at airports in mexico city and london, among others.
it differs from the "backrep001ter" system being tested in phoenix, london, and at other airports, in that it uses low energy radio waves, rather than high-energy x-rays, to create a dim outline of a passenger's body.
both systems allow guards to see any hard object, such as a gun, that passengers may have concealed under their clothes.
...
[/quote]
i'm just hoping they don't start hiring cute security agents, or i'll never be allowed through! :-)
gm
[QUOTE=Sport2076]I've written about this before and was happy to get on the site again using unbl0ck however I still can't send any messages or participate in the chat rooms. Does anyone have any advice how to get access in China.[/QUOTE]Use the following address: [url]http://asiafind.com/[/url]
Nice article about Chinese breasts. I spent 3 hours reading it!
[url]http://www.jongonews.com/articles/07/0427/13863/MTM4NjMvzmWhtEF.html[/url]
Sid
Since some time I didn't receive email notifications of PMs anymore.
Until I found out why.
I posted a report in the Registration & Email Notification Problems thread on May 12th, but no reaction from Jackson's side.
[quote=Tiger 888]
I just dug out 3 pm notifications from the Spam folder of my gmx (German freemail provider) account to find out that the sender was:
Jackson at ISG Forum [bouncedforummail@yahoo.com]
and treated as spam.
Before it was sent through
Jackson at ISG Forum [internationalsexguide@gmail.com]
Jackson, what's wrong?
[/quote]
[QUOTE=SidTheSexist]Nice article about Chinese breasts. I spent 3 hours reading it!
[url]http://www.jongonews.com/articles/07/0427/13863/MTM4NjMvzmWhtEF.html[/url]
Sid[/QUOTE]
Based on my experience:
The chance finding out that a girls with big breast that are natural; while doing her are:
Collage Girls: 100%
BBS girls: 90%
Saunas girls: 70%
KTV girls: 40%
Freebies: 50%
Models: 20%
Waitresses or OL (Office Lady): 70%
My guess are, the younger they are, the less money they have to go for a breast enlargement surgery.
Enjoy!
AG
[QUOTE=Tiger 888]Since some time I didn't receive email notifications of PMs anymore.
Until I found out why.
I posted a report in the Registration & Email Notification Problems thread on May 12th, but no reaction from Jackson's side.[/QUOTE]
I had the same problem a month ago and thought that Jackson just decide to filter me out! :p
Enjoy!
AG
A confusion that I have to make:
In my early days of mongering, I was young naïve and do not know the responsibility of a monger; I'd sometimes bareback girls regardless of their status whether they are pros or not. In my later years; (in my 30s) I realized that it takes guts and responsibility to stand up for oneself and the others mongers who will be fucking the same girl after you had done her. To say the words “No, condoms is a must” isn’t not difficult anymore.
Today, I only bareback girls that had gone through a full STD test and that are virgins. After I break them in, I will teach them the use of condoms. Girls that fall into this category are likely to be in my list of candidate for my quest for my future wife.
Enjoy!
AG
“It takes a strong man to stand up for himself, it takes a stronger man to stand up for others!”
[QUOTE=Ewz59]Use the following address: [url]http://asiafind.com/[/url][/QUOTE]
Wait??? I am a little confused here.... to my definition, AFF means Adult Friends Finder and not Asian Friends Finder.
Adult Friends Finder is the one in which I had scored a lot when I was living in Japan. I had found that the girls which I hooked up from Asian Friends Finder are likely to be legit and asking for marriage.
Am I right?
Anyways; I stop using these sites 3 years ago ever since I had found that there are a lot of Profiles that are fake on AFF. (Adult Friends Finder).
Enjoy!
AG
AG most likely you forgot that actually Eaglestar reports hunting a lot on Asian Friend Finder.
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Wait??? I am a little confused here.... to my definition, AFF means Adult Friends Finder and not Asian Friends Finder.
Adult Friends Finder is the one in which I had scored a lot when I was living in Japan. I had found that the girls which I hooked up from Asian Friends Finder are likely to be legit and asking for marriage.
Am I right?
Anyways; I stop using these sites 3 years ago ever since I had found that there are a lot of Profiles that are fake on AFF. (Adult Friends Finder).
Enjoy!
AG[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Albert Punter]AG most likely you forgot that actually Eaglestar reports hunting a lot on Asian Friend Finder.[/QUOTE]
Nope, I did not.... as I had said: "I had found that the girls which I hooked up from Asian Friends Finder are likely to be legit and asking for marriage."
Although I had two successful fuck with girls from Asian Friends Finder; all the rest of the girls ask for plans of getting married on the first date. In fact even with the two successful fuck.... they all quickly turn themselve in to asking for my plans to marry them.
As I said before, although I am single and looking for a wife, I never told them anything or giave them any ideals that I will marry them one day. I will tell them the truth that I am single but not ready to settle down and they are at their own will if they chose to sleep with me. That way I never gave them false hopes and it will be easlier for me to dump them if I feels their character is not one that I like.
Whilst with Adult Friends Finders, I was straight forward in writing my profile that I am looking for good fun and not girls whom wants agree to meet me must have open mind. It is expected that they will be fucked on my first or second date.
Enjoy!
AG
ok, i've seen a lot about this troubling issue in the us media. but, for those of you who have been there, is it really "in your face" all the time as the media depicts? i may be going to china (nanjing & suzhou) for business and love to monger while traveling.- especially looking for the young, "barely-legal" 18-20 year olds. for the most part, my travels have focused on eastern europe and latin america. in these places, it is quite easy to spot someone ****. however, in asia (correct me if i'm wrong), it is very likely to find girls in their mid-twenties, to look 18 and 19 years old. and, likewise, it could be just as easy to find girls who are 18 and 19, that look way younger. so, as someone who will be a newbie to china, and if **** prostitution is really a problem, how i can avoid getting into a bad situation. yes, refraining from mongering and finding the older girls is the simple solution. but, if i'm looking for the true 18-19 year olds, and want to avoid the **** issue, where should i go to partake in our hobbie (strip clubs and escort services)? what type of places should i avoid (massage parlors and streetwalkers)? are nanjing & suzhou "problem cities" for **** prostitution? honestly, i've been scared by the media! please tell me that this is not as big as a problem as reported and that i will not have to be "on guard" for my entire trip. thanks in advance for your comments and replies!
Actually you are both kinda right. I do hunt almost exclusively on Asia Friend Finder (asiafind.com) with some degree of success.
Many (most) are looking for husbands but it is rather surprising that of those they are still willing to go with me knowing I am still married.
The strength to this is I typically nail these gals for quite a while (if they are good). The weakness to this I typically nail these gals for quite a while (if they are good). If you get my drift. If I find one that I like and is good in the sack I hang on until they finally come to the realization that there is not future for them.
This is one of the reasons I prefer the married ones. Sure they may be thinking about "bailing out" of the marriage but for the most part they are really just looking for some raw sex and someone who is nice to them at the same time.
I found way too many skanks and con artists on Adult FF and dropped it like a bad habit.
ES
Hi everyone. Rightnow I am in Zhuhia and I was courous about aff. For some reason I can not get to the site from my internet connection in my apartment. Does anyone have any ideas about this> Is it possible that the goverment blocked these sites?
I would like to know everyones opionions on the matter
Apparently some people have difficulties in connecting to AFF, and to ISG too, while in China.
This topic was discussed already a few times some time ago.
Try to stroll few pages and I am sure you will find some comments and possible solutions to overcome the inconvenience.
[QUOTE=Member #2001]Hi everyone. Rightnow I am in Zhuhia and I was courous about aff. For some reason I can not get to the site from my internet connection in my apartment. Does anyone have any ideas about this> Is it possible that the goverment blocked these sites?
I would like to know everyones opionions on the matter[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Albert Punter]Apparently some people have difficulties in connecting to AFF, and to ISG too, while in China.
This topic was discussed already a few times some time ago.
Try to stroll few pages and I am sure you will find some comments and possible solutions to overcome the inconvenience.[/QUOTE]
Use a proxy server based outside of China. That should helps. I never had any problems within China so I do not need to use one, but many members had mentioned this before and they had solve the problems by using Proxy.
Enjoy!
AG
[quote=chill bill]ok, i've seen a lot about this troubling issue in the us media. but, for those of you who have been there, is it really "in your face" all the time as the media depicts? i may be going to china (nanjing & suzhou) for business and love to monger while traveling.- especially looking for the young, "barely-legal" 18-20 year olds. for the most part, my travels have focused on eastern europe and latin america. in these places, it is quite easy to spot someone ****. however, in asia (correct me if i'm wrong), it is very likely to find girls in their mid-twenties, to look 18 and 19 years old. and, likewise, it could be just as easy to find girls who are 18 and 19, that look way younger. so, as someone who will be a newbie to china, and if **** prostitution is really a problem, how i can avoid getting into a bad situation. yes, refraining from mongering and finding the older girls is the simple solution. but, if i'm looking for the true 18-19 year olds, and want to avoid the **** issue, where should i go to partake in our hobbie (strip clubs and escort services)? what type of places should i avoid (massage parlors and streetwalkers)? are nanjing & suzhou "problem cities" for **** prostitution? honestly, i've been scared by the media! please tell me that this is not as big as a problem as reported and that i will not have to be "on guard" for my entire trip. thanks in advance for your comments and replies![/quote]
refrain from discussion of **** girls on isg. it is prohibited.
enjoy!
ag
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Use a proxy server outside of China. That should helps. I never had any problems within China so I do not need to use one, but many members had mentioned this before and they had solve the problems by using Proxy.
Enjoy!
AG[/QUOTE]All the women in China have no problem with AFF or any of the other sites that will bring western men and money into China. Get a Chinese computer expert to help you. I brought my computer to China 6 months ago and I could not get it to work.
Good Luck,
Tile Man
[QUOTE=Albert Punter]Apparently some people have difficulties in connecting to AFF, and to ISG too, while in China.
This topic was discussed already a few times some time ago.
Try to stroll few pages and I am sure you will find some comments and possible solutions to overcome the inconvenience.[/QUOTE]
If you guys are discussing Asia Friend Finder as opposed to Adult Friend Finder it is best connected on [url]www.asiafind.com[/url].
I go there almost every friggin' day and it works. I guarantee double your money back guarantee it.
Try it you will like it
ES
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Use a proxy server based outside of China. That should helps. I never had any problems within China so I do not need to use one, but many members had mentioned this before and they had solve the problems by using Proxy.
Enjoy!
AG[/QUOTE]
All you have to do is go to [url]www.unbl0ck.com[/url] and type in the web address of ANY site you want, simple as that.
P.S. the o in unbl0ck is actually a zero.
-SZE
Friends,
My typical stomping grounds are in Medellin, Buenos Aires, and Sao Paolo. Today I find myself in Tokyo and am contemplating a spontaneous trip to China. The Zhuhai threads have convinced me that China is a must however, where in greater China can I find the fuller, taller, and more buxom gals? I'm not a huge fan of the 'spinner' types.
Any suggestions?
[QUOTE=Eaglestar]If you guys are discussing Asia Friend Finder as opposed to Adult Friend Finder it is best connected on [url]www.asiafind.com[/url].
I go there almost every friggin' day and it works. I guarantee double your money back guarantee it.
Try it you will like it
ES[/QUOTE]For the Adultfriendfinder site usually the url [url]www.xmatch.com[/url] works well in China - if you don't want to use a proxy.
The "real results" we are searching for are rather little on AdultFF. I agree with others, there is a lot of rubbish, scam, pros with tremendous money expectations. It requires a lot of time to filter these parts out.
I had some hits with rather normal, naive profiles without pictures. It was a lot of investment in terms of time. After a while I was thinking, what a nonsense, to sit down, write some 'blabla', receive some 'blabla' in a virtual world, still far away from the real thing.
But everybody has his own way which I respect - and I always like to read and look what ES has to report as a result of his adventures.
DF
[QUOTE=Szexpat]All you have to do is go to [url]www.unbl0ck.com[/url] and type in the web address of ANY site you want, simple as that.
P.S. the o in unbl0ck is actually a zero.
-SZE[/QUOTE]
Did it with a porn site I like which was recently blocked but didn't work.
[QUOTE=Blacklisted]Did it with a porn site I like which was recently blocked but didn't work.[/QUOTE]
Hey! What are surfing Porn site during office Hours??? Its office hours now in China right? Now get back to work!!!! Find some pussies for the gang! :D
Enjoy!
AG
[QUOTE=Hurdle]Friends,
My typical stomping grounds are in Medellin, Buenos Aires, and Sao Paolo. Today I find myself in Tokyo and am contemplating a spontaneous trip to China. The Zhuhai threads have convinced me that China is a must however, where in greater China can I find the fuller, taller, and more buxom gals? I'm not a huge fan of the 'spinner' types.
Any suggestions?[/QUOTE]
Go to Hong Kong. Try 141 sites. Great selection, less bullshit than the mainland.
Jimbo
What is "141 sites"?
Niteluvr
[QUOTE=Crazy Jim Wood]Go to Hong Kong. Try 141 sites. Great selection, less bullshit than the mainland.
Jimbo[/QUOTE]
I don't know if this is just a myth. I have seen some of the pictures here on the forum. I see some women's asshole are very dark brown and some are light brown.
USA woman maybe like to try anal once then say no to the second time. I did read on this forum or maybe google. That IF a woman has a very dark brown asshole. She is more prone to be having anal sex. Maybe this is just a myth. I am not an expert on assholes or anal. Maybe one of you experts can share your view.
I just read about some studies done in China and USA. 9% of woman have anal in USA. 70% of Chinese women have anal. We never know if the numbers we read are accurate. So, take these numbers with a grain of salt.
Please check out the color of some asshole's for me before I leave for China. Ha ha. If you see a real dark one, ask her if she likes anal.
Xiexie,
Tile man
[QUOTE=Niteluvr]What is "141 sites"?
Niteluvr[/QUOTE]This is a really good joke. Why don't you just do a search on 141 in the Hongkong section.
[QUOTE=Tiger 888]This is a really good joke. Why don't you just do a search on 141 in the Hongkong section.[/QUOTE]
Tiger888... Please allow me..
Nightluvr...
RTFF......if you do not understand, just move the cursor to the above menu and click on Abbreviations.
Damnn.. Newbies..
[QUOTE=Bnlee2]Tiger888... Please allow me..
Nightluvr...
RTFF......if you do not understand, just move the cursor to the above menu and click on Abbreviations.
Damnn.. Newbies..[/QUOTE]
Uh..... I got a question here.... egg me if you want ...but isn't 141 web site catered for HK only? Does it covers China now?
Yes... I know.... HK is part of China since 1997 but don't they have their own Threads?
Enjoy!
AG
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Uh..... I got a question here.... egg me if you want ...but isn't 141 web site catered for HK only? Does it covers China now?
Yes... I know.... HK is part of China since 1997 but don't they have their own Threads?
Enjoy!
AG[/QUOTE]
AG, the following led to this:
[quote]Go to Hong Kong. Try 141 sites. Great selection, less bullshit than the mainland.
Jimbo[/quote]
[QUOTE=Tiger 888]AG, the following led to this: [/QUOTE]That is what I am saying. Why is this person asking a HK question in the China board? And why are we giving him so much attention? Refer him to the HK board. Afterall. As he said. China is full of BS.
Enjoy! AG
WARNING!
1. Keep ALL of your valubles locked in your hotel safe. Passport, atms, cash and other. Carry only enough cash for the one night.
I never carry more than 1000 rmb. Usually I only carry 300rmb. No watch or jewelry, and only a very cheap phone.
2. NEVER follow street touts, especially males. Only follow a mommie if you know she is legit.
3. Do NOT follow a girl to her place. Take her to your hotel.
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]That is what I am saying. Why is this person asking a HK question in the China board? And why are we giving him so much attention? Refer him to the HK board. Afterall. As he said. China is full of BS.
Enjoy! AG[/QUOTE]Well, Niteluvr is obviously not familiar with HK, so if you're not familiar with HK, how would you know what a 141 site is? Of course, it's still a stupid question, but even if he had RTFF (the China section) I doubt he'd figure out what a 141 is.
Lay off the newbie. Lemme throw out the initials FKK. I'm sure most of you reading this know what an FKK is, but if you don't would you know which FF to R?
[QUOTE=Neuromancer]Well, Niteluvr is obviously not familiar with HK, so if you're not familiar with HK, how would you know what a 141 site is? Of course, it's still a stupid question, but even if he had RTFF (the China section) I doubt he'd figure out what a 141 is.
Lay off the newbie. Lemme throw out the initials FKK. I'm sure most of you reading this know what an FKK is, but if you don't would you know which FF to R?[/QUOTE]
Thats pretty simple. Just do a forum search on fkk and see which country's results dominate. Same applies for 141. Except that we are mixing the results up by mentioning those words here. Also google does miracles once used. Its just the lazyness that I don't understand. Go to a software developer's support forum and ask them how to switch on a computer. The answers might not differ much.
[QUOTE=Tiger 888]Thats pretty simple. Just do a forum search on fkk and see which country's results dominate. Same applies for 141. Except that we are mixing the results up by mentioning those words here. Also google does miracles once used. Its just the lazyness that I don't understand. Go to a software developer's support forum and ask them how to switch on a computer. The answers might not differ much.[/QUOTE]
Don't need to bother, FKK, FFF are all Abbreviations and is found in the Abbreviations List from the Drop down menu on top of this page.
Yes, it is the lazyness that I don't understand.
Enjoy!
AG
[QUOTE=Blacklisted]Did it with a porn site I like which was recently blocked but didn't work.[/QUOTE]
Works fine for me, but then I am a cheap bastard when it come to porn and just get my fix at [url]www.thehun.net[/url].
-SZE
Hello,
In China most internet cafe have centain websites are blocked. I believe it's NOT the the great fire wall of China blocking ISG. The reason, I can login into ISG from certain internet cafes while other places in the same city are ISG is blocked. Therefore, it's individual ISPs, or hotels, or net cafes are doing the blocking.
I tried logging into ISG using unbl0ck.com, africanrabbit.com both work fine. I am able to read ISG. Now, I need some help. When using unbl0ck or africanrabbit or another proxy, I CANNOT login using my account. I am getting an error from ISG something like, "POST REQUEST FROM FOREIGN HOSTS ARE NOT ALLOWED". I need to login to my account to read messages. Can anyone suggest something.
Thanks....
Does anyone know of a way to get on asianfriendfinder.com? I tried some of the links below and if I use [url]www.unbl0ck.com[/url] I can't send messages. I tried using [url]www.asiafind.com[/url] but that site is blocked now too. Hmmm I have a few opportunities that will be lost if I can't send a message through there. The only way I'm thinking of getting around this is to maybe have my brother send some messages for me to get them my email address. Anyone know of another alternative that I have?
I wrote email to AFF yesterday and today got this response........
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dear Member,
Thank you for contacting Customer Support.
The Chinese government has blocked us causing you to have your log in issues. We appreciate your patience while we work to have this problem rectified.
If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact us again.
Thank you,
AsiaFind Team Support
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Guess we will just have to wait to see if or when AFF can find a solution.
ES
[QUOTE=JackAndSally]Does anyone know of a way to get on asianfriendfinder.com? I tried some of the links below and if I use [url]www.unbl0ck.com[/url] I can't send messages. I tried using [url]www.asiafind.com[/url] but that site is blocked now too. Hmmm I have a few opportunities that will be lost if I can't send a message through there. The only way I'm thinking of getting around this is to maybe have my brother send some messages for me to get them my email address. Anyone know of another alternative that I have?[/QUOTE]
I am not a computer guru, but if you use a program like unbl0ck, you cannot access some websites that you have a membership with, due to the website not being able to access your IP address and/or cookie which they use to process your data/account.
[QUOTE=Szexpat]I am not a computer guru, but if you use a program like unbl0ck, you cannot access some websites that you have a membership with, due to the website not being able to access your IP address and/or cookie which they use to process your data/account.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I got on using unbl0ck.com but does not do much good if the ladies cannot get on. Also cannot send messages so useless for now :(
ES
Sorry for the off topic,
But is there anybody here by any chance know a place who offer waxing for male in zhuhai?
Thanks.
Tank
Hey bros,
I tried to email on AFF through unbl0ck.com to no avail, but there are lots of other proxy browsers to try. The next one I tried seemed to work fine for AFF email, which is [url]www.proxybrowsing.com[/url]
Check it out, see how it works for you. Where there's a will there's a way.
Merry Mongerment.
Bastardodero
I need some help please I stay in Shunde a lot at the New World Coutryard Marriott I want to find a good massage place walking distance with full service or can any body help me.Is there is a web similar to 141 web I can get onto when I get to the hotel?,the other hotel is the Rich Forex Hotel in Shunde any help would be appreciated as the Marriott is not the place for a full service massage
Share a tip with you fellas. Here's the new URL (accessible in China) for AFF:
[url]http://chinesefriendfinder.com/[/url]
However, a lot of the general population is still unaware of if it's existence so those of you awaiting response from the ladies will have to wait until the new address makes itself known to all.
For the newbee’s
Learn Chinese in 5 minutes...(You MUST read them out loud)
1) That's not right ..................... .... Sum Ting Wong
2) Are you harboring a fugitive?............ Hu Yu Hai Ding
3) See me ASAP................................ Kum Hia Nao
4) Stupid Man .............................. .. Dum Fuk
5) Small Horse ........................... .... Tai Ni Po Ni
6) Did you go to the beach? ................. Wai Yu So Tan
7) I bumped into a coffee table .............. Ai Bang Mai Fa Kin Ni
8) I think you need a face lift ......... ... Chin Tu Fat
9) It's very dark in here .................... Wao So Dim
10) I thought you were on a diet ............. Wai Yu Mun Ching?
11) This is a tow away zone .................. No Pah King
12) Our meeting is scheduled for next week ... Wai Yu Kum Nao?
13) Staying out of sight ................... .. Lei Ying Lo
14) He's cleaning his automobile ............. Wa Shing Ka
15) Your body odor is offensive .......... .... Yu Stin Ki Pu
16) Great ................................... . Fa Kin Su Pah
The exam will be in one week,
Have fun
John Euro
[QUOTE=Kanosia]I need some help please I stay in Shunde a lot at the New World Coutryard Marriott I want to find a good massage place walking distance with full service or can any body help me.Is there is a web similar to 141 web I can get onto when I get to the hotel?,the other hotel is the Rich Forex Hotel in Shunde any help would be appreciated as the Marriott is not the place for a full service massage[/QUOTE]
Did you try RTFF ?
My first nane on this site was tilegpc4. I see my post all over googles.
I changed my user name to tile man4 maybe 2 weeks ago.
I did see Ace Gallant on googles and SZE and many more people. I did see SZE business and I am sure this is OK with him.
HOW DO YOU STOP THIS WITH GOOGLES?
Many women know me by tilegpc4 (USA and China) and I really don't want them to see my post.
If you can help, thank you tile man
I have never realized we are so famous and tried to google for my user name.
This is what it came out
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/search.php?searchid=2411177[/url]
not single reports but ISG search page.
How could this be possible !?!?
I don't know how to avoid our names/posts appearing on google. Personally I dont care too much.
Is it possible for a website not to be searched by search engines ?
Maybe Jackson can enlighten us.
[QUOTE=Tile Man4]
...
HOW DO YOU STOP THIS WITH GOOGLES?
...
[/QUOTE]
But these lines have me laughing my ass off.
Bill
[QUOTE=John Euro]For the newbee’s
Learn Chinese in 5 minutes...(You MUST read them out loud)
1) That's not right ..................... .... Sum Ting Wong
2) Are you harboring a fugitive?............ Hu Yu Hai Ding
3) See me ASAP................................ Kum Hia Nao
4) Stupid Man .............................. .. Dum Fuk
5) Small Horse ........................... .... Tai Ni Po Ni
6) Did you go to the beach? ................. Wai Yu So Tan
7) I bumped into a coffee table .............. Ai Bang Mai Fa Kin Ni
8) I think you need a face lift ......... ... Chin Tu Fat
9) It's very dark in here .................... Wao So Dim
10) I thought you were on a diet ............. Wai Yu Mun Ching?
11) This is a tow away zone .................. No Pah King
12) Our meeting is scheduled for next week ... Wai Yu Kum Nao?
13) Staying out of sight ................... .. Lei Ying Lo
14) He's cleaning his automobile ............. Wa Shing Ka
15) Your body odor is offensive .......... .... Yu Stin Ki Pu
16) Great ................................... . Fa Kin Su Pah
The exam will be in one week,
Have fun
John Euro[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Albert Punter]I have never realized we are so famous and tried to google for my user name.
This is what it came out
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/search.php?searchid=2411177[/url]
not single reports but ISG search page.
How could this be possible !?!?
I don't know how to avoid our names/posts appearing on google. Personally I dont care too much.
Is it possible for a website not to be searched by search engines ?
Maybe Jackson can enlighten us.[/QUOTE]
Not possible unless fully password protected. As long as ereryone can read it their spiders can too. Jackson may possibly be able to stop google if they provide a tool to do so, but not spying search engines who do not want to respect his wish.
Furtermore deleted posts show up in the cached pages for months after they are deleted.
If Jackson wants to disable (most) search engines, it is pretty easy. He probably doesn't want to to increase visibility for this site though... Click on if you are interested in how it is done...
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robots.txt[/url]
[QUOTE=Blunderer]If Jackson wants to disable (most) search engines, it is pretty easy. He probably doesn't want to to increase visibility for this site though... Click on if you are interested in how it is done...
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robots.txt[/url][/QUOTE]Everyone needs to make money , including Jackson. I just don't need to worry about one of my chinese gf and USA gf seeing me on googles. I need to have a "fuck em all" attitude.
Tile man
Is there any particular trick to typing message information in Chinese characters?
I have tried to post addresses a couple of times. Though I have typed in the characters, once the post appears in the forum, the characters are omitted.
Any help would be appreciated.
Cheers
Cooler
[QUOTE=Cooler Wolf]Is there any particular trick to typing message information in Chinese characters?
[/QUOTE]
没问题. But can depend on many, many issues. Lastly of course if the viewer has installed any Chinese fonts. It's hit and miss.
For those of you who cannot access Asia Friend Finder (AFF) now, you can use [url]www.chinesefriendfinder.com[/url]
If you are a member of AFF you can log on CFF and it is the same site.
Problem is most of the girls on the old AFF who are not on CFF don't know this so they are still 'out in the cold".
ES
[QUOTE=Eaglestar]For those of you who cannot access Asia Friend Finder (AFF) now, you can use [url]www.chinesefriendfinder.com[/url]
If you are a member of AFF you can log on CFF and it is the same site.
Problem is most of the girls on the old AFF who are not on CFF don't know this so they are still 'out in the cold".
ES[/QUOTE]It seems like the other two posts in the Shanghai forum and the Hong Kong forum have been deleted. Why not this one?
You need to change your handle to AFF Spokesperson.
I ran into this video while surfing youporn.com
[url]http://www.youporn.com/watch/30868[/url]
And take a look at this site: [blue][Link deleted by Admin][/blue]
Seems like someone is going to China and filming the girls they bang and make a profit from it!
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[QUOTE=Cooler Wolf]Is there any particular trick to typing message information in Chinese characters?
I have tried to post addresses a couple of times. Though I have typed in the characters, once the post appears in the forum, the characters are omitted.
Any help would be appreciated.
Cheers
Cooler[/QUOTE]What do you mean by the characters are omitted? Do they show as weird code, question marks, numbers or squares?
FOB fucker
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I ran into this video while surfing youporn.com
[url]http://www.youporn.com/watch/30868[/url]
And take a look at this site: [Link deleted by Admin]
Seems like someone is going to China and filming the girls they bang and make a profit from it!
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After viewing this site, I conclude Suger Baba is the greatest in the world.
This request really is not according to Hoyle but in a way it has to do with the gist of the forum in that I can post photos if someone can help me.
I have stored all my photos on an external hard drive that I now cannot access (please don't flame me for not making a second back up, live and learn).
Do any of my fellow mongers know some place in Shanghai that offers a data recover service? My laptops will not recognize the external drive and when I check 'device manager' it tells me that the external drive must be initialized. Obviously that is not a good option since I would loose all the data.
Anyone can offer suggestions? Post here or PM me. Thanks so much.
ES
ES,
Based on what you have described, I'm not too sure what's exactly the problem
Here are the possible causes
1) Your portable hard disk is corrupted
2) The system lacks the driver to run the portable hard disk
3) The system encounters an error with the hard disk (power related) and automatically shuts it down
4) The connection on the portable hard disk is bad
5) The connection on your laptop is bad
There are a couple of things that you can do before proclaiming 1) is the reason.
I'm assuming that this is a portable hard disk with the USB connection.
If your laptop has been able to plug in other devices on the same USB port, then 5) is definitely out.
Have you tried plugging this portable hard disk on some other machine? If so, do you see the same problem? This can potentially eliminate 4)
The windows operating system sometimes have a funny behavior and shuts down the USB port when it feels like the power needed has been overloaded. You may want to change the settings on that USB port to not shut down on power overload.
If all else fails, then you have a corrupted hard disk. Should try running Windows Diagnostics tools on it...if you cannot even access it, then that's a bigger issue and you have to consider data recovery service.
Hope this helps.
[QUOTE=Eaglestar]This request really is not according to Hoyle but in a way it has to do with the gist of the forum in that I can post photos if someone can help me.
I have stored all my photos on an external hard drive that I now cannot access (please don't flame me for not making a second back up, live and learn).
Do any of my fellow mongers know some place in Shanghai that offers a data recover service? My laptops will not recognize the external drive and when I check 'device manager' it tells me that the external drive must be initialized. Obviously that is not a good option since I would loose all the data.
Anyone can offer suggestions? Post here or PM me. Thanks so much.
ES[/QUOTE]
Go to Puxi (don't confuse this with Pussy), Xu Jia Hui, Pacific Digital Plaza, 2nd Floor, up the escalator, U turn when reach second floor, Walk straight till the end, turn left walk 3 meters, there is a Computer Hospital. They will repair Computer Harddisk etc etc....
The price is resonable. Not more than 400RMB
But I can't imagine the looks in the face of the technician when saw what was in the hard disk!!!! :p
Enjoy!
AG
Oh.... I forgot..... "Thank You for using ISG Shanghai helpdesk!"
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Go to Puxi (don't confuse this with Pussy), Xu Jia Hui, Pacific Digital Plaza, 2nd Floor, up the escalator, U turn when reach second floor, Walk straight till the end, turn left walk 3 meters, there is a Computer Hospital. They will repair Computer Harddisk etc etc....
The price is resonable. Not more than 400RMB
But I can't imagine the looks in the face of the technician when saw what was in the hard disk!!!! :p
Enjoy!
AG
Oh.... I forgot..... "Thank You for using ISG Shanghai helpdesk!"[/QUOTE]
Xie xie ah AG
ES
[QUOTE=Eaglestar]This request really is not according to Hoyle but in a way it has to do with the gist of the forum in that I can post photos if someone can help me.......
ES[/QUOTE]
Eaglestar, it also could be a virus, I had one of those before and it kept on telling me to format my drive. You could try to plug it into another PC and see what happens.
I did that. Tried my work pc and both of my laptops at home. All gave me the same reading.
ES
[QUOTE=Eaglestar]I did that. Tried my work pc and both of my laptops at home. All gave me the same reading.
ES[/QUOTE]
Sound like you bump your harddisk while it is still spinning. That would have cause a head crash which may leave your harddisk damaged. When you plug it in, does the PC display a "Mass storage Device Found"? Or it just did not show up in the "My Computer" screen? If it is the later... than I am afraid your harddisk control may be shorted. In such case normally you can get a new Harddisk Enclosure for your Harddisk and it should work. But if it is a head crash... good luck... all those wonderful photos may be lost!
Bring it to the Computer Hospital and see what they say. But be careful though.. I had a case when they told me my External HDD and the controller are both burnt. I return, took out the HDD from the Enclosure, open up my PC, plug it directly into my PC, and wala..! I works. So don't thrust them 100%
Enjoy!
AG
The following is a repost on admin's "advice" (see below). Petemcc posted the following, I don't know if it is meant as a real question, to the pictures in the follwing post :
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=611216&postcount=1646[/url]
I just wanted to add that such beauty can be found in several places and for a right price.
my grammar ****s most of the time but it seems like an automatic Capital letter setter of the admin made things worse in my post.
Quote start:
Originally Posted by Petemcc
Where the fuck did you find them? There's one or two, or three there who I would give my life's savings to just to let me sit and watch them. True Chinese beauty, you lucky bastard.
Quote end
I was in Shenzen 4 months ago, and you can find stunners (like the good ones in slicers pictures), cuteys and Less. For 80-150RMB either with the touts that wait for YOU around the trainstation (northeast exit), or a little bit more east, there are different places away from the mainstreets, where the girls are waiting and showing themselves. With the right lightning and clothing of course. If you go with the touts, just say you want to see others if you don't like who they show you, takes 3-10 trys to get the ultimate. The girls get 50-100RMB for shorttime, so you know that you can still bargain at 150.
In chongqin and (guangxi de) nanning also, always 80-150rmb short time (room inlcluded, 20-50minutes).
And I mean stunners, so. For details just look in the respective threads. I have no Idea about anything east (in China) of shenzhen, but shenzhen surely and chongqin also are are good places to do the deed with beauty, for a good price.
If there is no good information on the places in Shenzhen (what I doubt), then I might try to paint. Exe something on a map on the net.
What ever hapen to China lily? I know she was a fraud but she did have some good things to write. What gave her away was she wrote too good of English. I wish we had more REAL women on ISG. Its nice to hear their side of the story too.
Have a good one - Tile man
[QUOTE=Tile Man4]My first nane on this site was tilegpc4. I see my post all over googles.
I changed my user name to tile man4 maybe 2 weeks ago.
I did see Ace Gallant on googles and SZE and many more people. I did see SZE business and I am sure this is OK with him.
HOW DO YOU STOP THIS WITH GOOGLES?
Many women know me by tilegpc4 (USA and China) and I really don't want them to see my post.
If you can help, thank you tile man[/QUOTE]
Well, you just linked the two user names yourself. Google and other search sites will have this stored somewhere for years and years. Most people don't realize every little details of their life that they leak to the internet a bit at a time can be collected over time and reconstructed. If someone is determined to find something about you on the internet, they will succeed.
[QUOTE=Wilde]Well, you just linked the two user names yourself. Google and other search sites will have this stored somewhere for years and years. Most people don't realize every little details of their life that they leak to the internet a bit at a time can be collected over time and reconstructed. If someone is determined to find something about you on the internet, they will succeed.[/QUOTE]
I thought about it and I really don't care anymore. The entire internet is an invasion of privacy. No body claims ownership. I looked up my last name and I get some prostitute in Poland , so now there is a cookie out there that says that I love porn. I looked up about the breed of my dog , yes , you guessed it. Now there is a cooking out there that thinks I like animal porn. I must have a "don't give a fuck attitude" and I do.
One of my ex, off and on, again GF in USA said , you did all that shit in China? I said yeap and more. I really don't worry about it anymore.
Have a good one Wilde - Tile Man
Hi all,
I watched some movies from Youporn.com with body washing #461 and body slide # 650. Where can I fin such treatment in China or is this a japanese speciality?
I know a lot of posts have been made on English maps, but just thought I'd post this link.
[url]http://maps.mychinastart.com/[/url]
Ideal for those travelling to an unfamiliar city for the first time, this site has links to dozens of English streetmaps.
Cheers
Cooler
I was watching Dateline, The title was called, “Bitter Pills”. The subject was on fake pills like Viagra, Cialis, Lipitor, Tamiflu, Celestor, Procrit and other types of drugs. Pfizer said some of the fakes contain stuff like drywall, cement and, dry paint, scary. Has anyone gone almost blind yet? Sounds like they hired some construction guy to make them. Others pills are just filled with only a small percentage of the real chemical formula.
Most of the drugs are from China but some are from other part of the world.
[QUOTE=Weelock] Pfizer said some of the fake contains stuff like drywall, cement and, dry paint, scary. .[/QUOTE]
The way most us look we could use a little paint and cement. I'm sure the girls would appreciate it! :D
The Whys of Mating: 237 Reasons and Counting.
[url]www.NYtimes.com/2007/07/31/science/31tier.html[/url]
I just wonder, when we got crack-down during having fun at Sauna, BBS, or Hotel room, what happens? The police arrests foreigner as well? Or just leave us if we have a Passport?
I heard that sometimes the police arrests foreigner as well, and banishes them from China forever.
Is it real? Does anyone have an experience of crack-down?
[QUOTE=James Yoon]I just wonder, when we got crack-down during having fun at Sauna, BBS, or Hotel room, what happens? The police arrests foreigner as well? Or just leave us if we have a Passport?
I heard that sometimes the police arrests foreigner as well, and banishes them from China forever.
Is it real? Does anyone have an experience of crack-down?[/QUOTE]
It's one of the risks of mongering in China, alongside following touts and getting worked over by heavies.
Apparently carrying a passport helps, as I have heard, but really, you do not want to be there when the cops arrive, especially with your pants down.
[QUOTE=James Yoon]I just wonder, when we got crack-down during having fun at Sauna, BBS, or Hotel room, what happens? The police arrests foreigner as well? Or just leave us if we have a Passport?
I heard that sometimes the police arrests foreigner as well, and banishes them from China forever.
Is it real? Does anyone have an experience of crack-down?[/QUOTE]
Do not carry your passport, carry a good photocopy.
Do not carry more cash than you need, and leave your cash and cards in your hotel room safe.
Do not follow touts.
It's better to take the girl to your hotel room, but I will do girls in the bbs. Sometimes it's dirty but fun.
I have never had that "raid" experience. If they are legit cops I would predict they would do nothing more than check your passport copy and send you on your way. If it's a scam, then they will take your money and valubles and send you on your way. If you have an atm card, they might keep you and force you to give them the pin number.
I found a gal through one of the various dating websites. I met her only once and she's a good person, but I guess not too smart. Kept in touch through email. Here is her story. And no, she did not ask for any monetary help from me. I set her straight about what was going on. It just shows there are some real jerks out there.
Once a week I get a scam letter promising a share of millions of dollars, but I've never met anyone to fall for one of these scams.
Snipped from her email:
Very happy to get your comfort words!
It is difficult to start. Actually I'm not sure whether I've cheated up to now! I met a person from Oragon, USA on internet. At first we were in touch use e-mail. Several weeks ago he told me he would go to Nigeria for a court case. He told me he is an orphan (his parents were all dead) and lives with his aunt in UK for almost 20yrs. His mother was a Jamaican and his father was a caucasian. He was a Christian. After he went to Nigeria we still wrote mails. One day he told he would leave and booked plane ticket (from Lagos to Shanghai), then I received his flight information. It showed that he would come on July 25th. He chated with me on MSN and said he have no money to pay the bill of hotel. He asked me to remit USD400 to him. He said the plane ticket cost him much (about USD3000) and he had only USD3000 left, it was his base travel expense. He said if he has not enough money, the Custom would not let him in! (I don't know if it is true! )I believed him and remitted money. This was July 18th.
The day after that he told me because of the court case, his lawyer wanted him to pay USD721. He called me and say that he had no friend to ask for, begged me to help him.
I remitted USD751 again because of sympathy. This was July 20th.
Maybe you will consider I'm fool. At that time I really sympathized him, and he promised me he would reimburse to me surely.
Two or three days later he called me again. He said he must stay there for another two weeks. Because he must get the important documents from the court! He had no money to pay the bills of hotel and he said the court would give the documents to him after 8-10 days! He rescheduled the flight, he would come to Shanghai on Augest 6th, and asked me to remit USD400*2 for another two weeks. I remitted the sum of USD800 at July 25th (400) and Augest 2rd (400)!
Two days ago he called me that, when he paid the bill of the hotel, they asked him to pay the expense of internet using. I gave him USD150 again!
I gave him USD400*3+721+150=2071, and charges: USD32*3+42+21=159, so the sum is 2230!
In fact I haven't enough money to give him, so I borrowed from my friends. I doubted him after I remitted USD721. He called me and said"please, please, I beg you. I promise you I will reimburse you. ". So I trust him again. I'm willing to help others and my heart is very soft! I brought all my savings. I tried my best to help him. And now I'm worried that when he come, whether he has money to give back to me. If he says not, how can I do then?
I borrowed from my friend and I promised to give her back next week! I'm worried about another thing: my son will go back to school at September. I have no money to pay the tuition fee! I'm worried all the day and think about this. I will meet him at the airport the day after tomorrow (Augest 6th). I have an ominous presentiment that I must be cheated. He would not reimbuse to me the money! So what can I do? Do you think this is a trap?
I don't know how you think about this, but you must think I'm a foolish woman. A stranger asked me to remit money and I did!
Maybe it is a lesson for me? Before I meet him, I'm still not sure if it is a trap.
I don't let my frined know this matter. You're the person I'm willing to tell. Can you give some suggestions for me?
Several years ago I was in an internet cafe. An african guy sitting next to me was sending an e-mail to a japanese girl telling her a similar sob story and asking her to deposit money into an account. What caught my attention most was when he told her he was in Japan. In reality, he was in Changmai, Thailand. Fucking shithead!
Many women play this internet con game with lonely men, so it shouldn't surprise us that some men do the same thing.
We all get cheated sometimes. I recently loaned $1500 to help a "friend". I have now learned that he is smoking crack, so I now think I will never get my money back. "A friend in need is a friend indeed". "Lend, and lose a friend".
[QUOTE=Santa]Several years ago I was in an internet cafe. An african guy sitting next to me was sending an e-mail to a japanese girl telling her a similar sob story and asking her to deposit money into an account. What caught my attention most was when he told her he was in Japan. In reality, he was in Changmai, Thailand. Fucking shithead!
Many women play this internet con game with lonely men, so it shouldn't surprise us that some men do the same thing.
We all get cheated sometimes. I recently loaned $1500 to help a "friend". I have now learned that he is smoking crack, so I now think I will never get my money back. "A friend in need is a friend indeed". "Lend, and lose a friend".[/QUOTE]
I get at least one email a day from africa tell me about their lost lost uncle in the USA that has $40 million here in the USA and they need my help to get this money. They always end with "God Bless you" . I tell them all "Fuck You including your fake God" . There fake God is not Jesus or other religious figures. There God is "Deception and Money"
As far as Chinese woman , I would guess maybe 999 women ask and try to deceive men out of money to every one shit-bum westen man who tries this. Philippine woman are even worse. This is another group who will use Jesus to help them. I would also guess the ones that are asking for money is a man translator. Just PM or email all of them 2 words , "fuck you". Just go to China or Phillippines in person and meet your women. You never know who hides behind this electronic screen.
Good luck tile man
[QUOTE=Weelock]I was watching Dateline, The title was called, “Bitter Pills”. The subject was on fake pills like Viagra, Cialis, Lipitor, Tamiflu, Celestor, Procrit and other types of drugs. Pfizer said some of the fakes contain stuff like drywall, cement and, dry paint, scary. Has anyone gone almost blind yet? Sounds like they hired some construction guy to make them. Others pills are just filled with only a small percentage of the real chemical formula.
Most of the drugs are from China but some are from other part of the world.[/QUOTE]
I was buying Creatine locally until a trainer at my gym said it was best to buy it in HK because there had been reported cases of the local brands using CHALK as a substitute for the real stuff.
I had also tried some of the hard-on pills in the past that had major side effects, which I reported about in the past.
-SZE
You have a good trainer because alot of them just try to sell you their own stuff.
Along with all the other fake stuff. What about fake liquor.
I've seen fake beer, red wines and white wines. The beer was obviously recapped and smelled more "fruity". But I figure spiked alcohol is the most dangerous because of the volume consumed and alot of times things are just attributed to hangover or food poisoning.
Any tips on how to catch fakes or at least reduce encountering them?
[QUOTE=Szexpat]I was buying Creatine locally until a trainer at my gym said it was best to buy it in HK because there had been reported cases of the local brands using CHALK as a substitute for the real stuff.
I had also tried some of the hard-on pills in the past that had major side effects, which I reported about in the past.
-SZE[/QUOTE]
I have recently learned that OldAsiaHand has joined a christian brotherhood and has become a monk. He is now living in a Dominican monastery in the mountains of Moldovia.
Apparently the food and wine is very good, and he believes being with his christian brothers is now more important than women.
Are we really sure we won't see any report by OAH in the Moldova thread shortly ?
[QUOTE=Santa]I have recently learned that OldAsiaHand has joined a christian brotherhood and has become a monk. He is now living in a Dominican monastery in the mountains of Moldovia.
Apparently the food and wine is very good, and he believes being with his christian brothers is now more important than women.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Albert Punter]Are we really sure we won't see any report by OAH in the Moldova thread shortly ?[/QUOTE]
Stop speculating,
If that is true, AG is going to retire and dedicate his life to teaching these young girls the true meaning of life.
OAH is on summer vacation in states and will be back end of August. We have a road trip planned for End August.
Enjoy!
AG
Cannot stop laughing.
So, as "true meaning of life" for girls is "pleasing mongers" basically you will continue living same life. *
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Stop speculating,
...
If that is true, AG is going to retire and dedicate his life to teaching these young girls the true meaning of life.
...
AG[/QUOTE]
* This is not speculation, it is a blatant joke
[QUOTE=Santa]I have recently learned that OldAsiaHand has joined a christian brotherhood and has become a monk. He is now living in a Dominican monastery in the mountains of Moldovia.
Apparently the food and wine is very good, and he believes being with his christian brothers is now more important than women.[/QUOTE]
Damn, I even found him a 19 year old who wears thigh high red boots, has big boobs and loves BBBJ till CIM! Now you tell me he has become a monk and is living in Moldovia?
Well, better not let good pussy go to waste, now where the hell is my mobile phone?
-SZE
[QUOTE=Albert Punter]Cannot stop laughing.
So, as "true meaning of life" for girls is "pleasing mongers" basically you will continue living same life. *
* This is not speculation, it is a blatant joke[/QUOTE]
Hahahaha.... its nice to know a non-native English speaking guy caught the joke!
But the fact is the retirement part.
Enjoy!
AG
Interesting article about this hobby in China. It confirms the part about male providers too! Could be nice side work for you SZE!! :)
[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/04/AR2007080401309.html[/url]
Cheers,
M
Do any of you mongers know of a pharmaceutical site where I can get Cialis or something equivalent that is not Viagra? I tried a site in India but seems I was sent a placebo. Viagra causes issues that are not viable so I want to try something else.
Thanks in advance,
Nite
[QUOTE=Niteluvr]Do any of you mongers know of a pharmaceutical site where I can get Cialis or something equivalent that is not Viagra? I tried a site in India but seems I was sent a placebo. Viagra causes issues that are not viable so I want to try something else.
Thanks in advance,
Nite[/QUOTE]
I have bought the Mighty Blue soft tab , it works. Use the soft tab Cialis , it works faster. This Co. is from canada and they are cheap too.
Good luck , tile man
[url]http://www.thecanadianmeds.com/item.php?id=1095[/url]
[QUOTE=Niteluvr]Do any of you mongers know of a pharmaceutical site where I can get Cialis or something equivalent that is not Viagra? I tried a site in India but seems I was sent a placebo. Viagra causes issues that are not viable so I want to try something else.
Thanks in advance,
Nite[/QUOTE]
Cialis will be available in all major Pharmacy in major cities throughout China soon. The Ministry of Health in China will be releasing 500+ new licenses to Pharmacies throughout China on 1st September 2007. Previously there are only limited places where Cialis is available due to the limited licenses issued.
Enjoy!
AG
AG,
How can you be sure that pills you will buy after that date are the real stuff and not a dangerous Chinese fake ?
Thanks in advance for clarifications.
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]Cialis will be available in all major Pharmacy in major cities throughout China soon. The Ministry of Health in China will be releasing 500+ new licenses to Pharmacies throughout China on 1st September 2007. Previously there are only limited places where Cialis is available due to the limited licenses issued.
Enjoy!
AG[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Albert Punter]AG,
How can you be sure that pills you will buy after that date are the real stuff and not a dangerous Chinese fake ?
Thanks in advance for clarifications.[/QUOTE]Well, I suppose if you get a hard on they are likely to be real, if you suffer a heart attack, maybe not.
[QUOTE=Albert Punter]AG,
How can you be sure that pills you will buy after that date are the real stuff and not a dangerous Chinese fake?
Thanks in advance for clarifications.[/QUOTE]
You are kidding me right Albert? :D
As you know, unless these Pharmacies get their supplies from reliable source, there is no guarantee that their supplies are the real stuff. Not to mention that a lot of legitimate Pharmacies in China also try to make more money by selling the fake stuff. In the course of inspection not long ago, we had also found one of our resellers of our brand of Vitamins also carried the fake supplies of our Vitamins. We had taken step into warning that Pharmacy and removed the reseller status from our list. However, as for Cialis; their main supplier may not be in China and thus, they may not carry out regular inspection on their reseller stock. Thus there is no guarantee that they carry the real stuff. Moreover; I am not their supplier of Cialis (My company does not supply such drugs), I will not be able to guarantee.
Now, coming back to Web site selling Cialis, I don’t think anyone can guarantee that the drugs they are selling are the real stuff. What seems to be a legitimate website selling real drug can turn out to be a scam deal.
It will take trained eyes of those in Pharmaceutical Supplier to recognize the real trademarks, Serial numbers and packaging of their own drugs. Each different brand has their own unique markings on their packaging. The American Pharmaceutical Sales Association (APSA) has a set of marking which identify each drug but however, there are thousands of manufacturers of drugs that are outside America, plus these marking can also be copied from the real packaging as well. Our inspectors will have to match the Serial Numbers with the batch numbers and the Dates of manufacture in order to determine whether the drug is the real stuff. Of course these are information only available to manufacturers and distributors of the drug itself.
Enjoy!
AG
... so conclusion is: better not to buy this stuff here in China.
[QUOTE=Ace Gallant]
...
As you know, unless these Pharmacies get their supplies from reliable source, there is no guarantee that their supplies are the real stuff. Not to mention that a lot of legitimate Pharmacies in China also try to make more money by selling the fake stuff.
...
AG[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Albert Punter]... so conclusion is: better not to buy this stuff here in China.[/QUOTE]
I was watching Dateline on "Bitter Pills". It might not be even 100% safe in the USA to buy drugs. Guys in the USA also want to make money. For example, some guy was selling fakes to wholesaler made over 28 million.
To protect against counterfeit drugs, or that have been tainted or poisoned,
they are trying something new called electronic pedigree technology, ( RF-ID ). It's something the federal government require companies to track medicines from the factory to the pharmacy.
It's some kind of scanner that's linked to some centralized database. If I had to guess, if the pharmacy doesn't have a scanner, they can check the web or maybe call the company. It's still not 100% safe but it's just another layer and adds more cost to the product. Yes, if I was suffering from something like cancer, I would buy the drugs in the USA rather than any other place like the web or China.
Some Viagra has drywall, cement and paint. Rumor has it our friend "Santa" made them. He's a millioniare now.
For story see link to Dateline.
[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13137839/[/url]
I have been using a Chinese brand called "Tiger" for awhile now and have not gotten any side effects I got with other crap here. Tiger comes in a metal box, 6 tabs and looks like Viagra. I take a half tab sometimes and get excellent results. If you don't like being a "lab rat" best to stick with the real stuff rather than experiment.
SZE
Hi,
What experienced did you made about racissm in China.
I was sure to have found paradise on hainan island. But the last months a couple of foreigners was beaten up there for no reason.
Last victim was a very good friend of mine. They nearly beat him to death. He was attacked by 2 Chinese guys inside the 66 bar in haikou hainan. He went out to go home. Outside there were allready waitng 3 more guys with iron tubes.
This friend of mine has contact to the highest people in hainan. He is absolutly nice guy, no trouble maker. He loved hainan same as I did. Now he is more dead than alive.
I know from about 3 other foreigners was beaten up after visiting bars in haikou. Chinese guys beat themself up every weekend. This I don t care. But it s allways, they come with many against one or two others.
The police care nothing. In sanya I saw 2 times more trhán 10 Chinese guys beat 1-2 Chinese guys nearly death. Police was standing beside doing nothing.
I m really concerned about foreigners in China. It can happen so easyly. Even I was nearly beaten up after visiting the seaclub in haikou.
I was lucky my little brother showed up. He is taxi driver in haikou and so suddenly we were 15 of his friends against this 6 shitheads.
They with their small dicks pissed off.
I would like to know if other members noticed violent racissm in China too.
[QUOTE=Hannover]Hi,
What experienced did you made about racissm in China.
I was sure to have found paradise on hainan island. But the last months a couple of foreigners was beaten up there for no reason.
Last victim was a very good friend of mine. They nearly beat him to death. He was attacked by 2 Chinese guys inside the 66 bar in haikou hainan. He went out to go home. Outside there were allready waitng 3 more guys with iron tubes.
This friend of mine has contact to the highest people in hainan. He is absolutly nice guy, no trouble maker. He loved hainan same as I did. Now he is more dead than alive.
I know from about 3 other foreigners was beaten up after visiting bars in haikou. Chinese guys beat themself up every weekend. This I don t care. But it s allways, they come with many against one or two others.
The police care nothing. In sanya I saw 2 times more trhán 10 Chinese guys beat 1-2 Chinese guys nearly death. Police was standing beside doing nothing.
I m really concerned about foreigners in China. It can happen so easyly. Even I was nearly beaten up after visiting the seaclub in haikou.
I was lucky my little brother showed up. He is taxi driver in haikou and so suddenly we were 15 of his friends against this 6 shitheads.
They with their small dicks pissed off.
I would like to know if other members noticed violent racissm in China too.[/QUOTE]
I met a 9 on-line from Hainan , I wanted to meet her. But right from the horses mouth ( 3 Chinese women ) told me not to go there. This Hainan woman went to school in the UK . I find Chinese women who went to school in the west seem to have both cultures and are the best to be with. But they are rare. Most of them leave China.
As far as racisim , I did experience it in HK , Guangzhou and Nanning. I thought racism was only black and white as a young American man. As I grew older, not so anymore. You will experience racism no matter where you go in this world. You must be smart , try to advoid it, know your area and most important have an excape plan.
You did not go into how your friends got themself into trouble. It not important , but I too put myself into the wrong place at the wrong time. Your friend maybe did the same. I was stupid and I was not thinking. I am one of those men who think all people are good only because I want to beleive this crazy pipe dream.
Most Chinese are good people , same for all other countries. But some are bad. Real Bad !!!!! Just know your area and have a plan. Racism is everywhere. If your read this CP gang post and read between the lines of their post. Yes they get cheap sex , freebies and all that good shit but they also have a little support system there and they know their area.
PS , I will still meet this Hainan woman , but on my turf. One of the above Cities that I mentioned.
Good luck tile man
What you guys describe has nothing at all to do with racism. It's simply crime. Hainan, outside of the resort area, is infamous for its crime.
I've been to many countries of this world. I've seen suppressed racism, I've seen blatantly open racism. China is one of the, if not the most foreigner-friendly country on this planet.
I've never felt safer than here.
And if the guy who's supposedly been beaten up really had contact to some of the highest people in Hainan, the folks who roughed him up would now be off the streets and nowhere to be found.
"They with their small dicks pissed off" could be considered a racist remark.
[QUOTE=Hurdle]Friends,
My typical stomping grounds are in Medellin, Buenos Aires, and Sao Paolo. Today I find myself in Tokyo and am contemplating a spontaneous trip to China. The Zhuhai threads have convinced me that China is a must however, where in greater China can I find the fuller, taller, and more buxom gals? I'm not a huge fan of the 'spinner' types.
Any suggestions?[/QUOTE]
The fuller, taller, and more buxom gals in China are called Mongolians and can be found en masse in Beijing.
The local variety can be found in Harbin. But the Mongolians are fuller, taller, and more buxom. They also enjoy sex more.
If you want fuller, taller, and more buxom, then Zhuhai is not a good place to be. In my view, ZH is overrated anyway.
Hey guys,
Just a quick question.- I hope it hasn't been discussed elsewhere (I RRRF but came up blank).
Anyway, I've been to the late night barber shops once or twice in the past and have had decent services. There's one next to my apartment and I'm often tempted to go in. But usually the girls are not to my liking.
I know these bbs are everywhere but I'm wondering if I went in and said, "hey, what are the chances of getting a (for example) really tall girl in here next week, blah, blah, blah" (In Chinese of course).
Do these places have any say as to what girls work at these places or what?
Just wondering. And yes, I do infact have a thing for really tall asian girls.
"This friend of mine has contact to the highest people in hainan. He is absolutly nice guy, no trouble maker. He loved hainan same as I did. Now he is more dead than alive.
I know from about 3 other foreigners was beaten up after visiting bars in haikou. Chinese guys beat themself up every weekend. This I don t care. But it s allways, they come with many against one or two others.
The police care nothing. In sanya I saw 2 times more trhán 10 Chinese guys beat 1-2 Chinese guys nearly death. Police was standing beside doing nothing. "
For the past 4 years I have spend at least two months in Hainan, Haikou and Sanya. I routinely walk the streets alone, patronize the local 'establishments', stay at Chinese owned hotels. I have never ever had a problem that I would consider racism or violence. As a matter of fact, the only racism I met with was a New Zealander who told me he didn't speak any Chinese because "the only Chinese worth speaking with already know English".
This is not to say that a western tourist should not be careful, expecially when consuming alcohol or practicing our hobby. But in my opinion, Hainan is not more dangerous than most areas in China, and much less than some.
Having said that, I do agree that the availability of quality working women has deteriorated in the past few years. But that just requires more effort in the hunt. And for the true 'sportsman' the hunt is part of the enjoyment.
[QUOTE=Tile Man4]I met a 9 on-line from Hainan , I wanted to meet her. But right from the horses mouth ( 3 Chinese women ) told me not to go there. This Hainan woman went to school in the UK . I find Chinese women who went to school in the west seem to have both cultures and are the best to be with. But they are rare. Most of them leave China.
As far as racisim , I did experience it in HK , Guangzhou and Nanning. I thought racism was only black and white as a young American man. As I grew older, not so anymore. You will experience racism no matter where you go in this world. You must be smart , try to advoid it, know your area and most important have an excape plan.
You did not go into how your friends got themself into trouble. It not important , but I too put myself into the wrong place at the wrong time. Your friend maybe did the same. I was stupid and I was not thinking. I am one of those men who think all people are good only because I want to beleive this crazy pipe dream.
Most Chinese are good people , same for all other countries. But some are bad. Real Bad !!!!! Just know your area and have a plan. Racism is everywhere. If your read this CP gang post and read between the lines of their post. Yes they get cheap sex , freebies and all that good shit but they also have a little support system there and they know their area.
PS , I will still meet this Hainan woman , but on my turf. One of the above Cities that I mentioned.
Good luck tile man[/QUOTE]Hi,
Thanks for your statement.
I was living in hainan for 6 month. My friend who was beaten up lives there for 1 year now. He went many times to this pub and drank a lot of times there with the owner of this place. My friend is mid 20th not rich but good looking and has his business in haikou. No truble maker.
So I was shocked this happened to him. Even the doorman of 66 bar beat him down, incredible.
In September I return to haikou. I will never visit again 66 bar or bars in'the seaclub area. There are even nicer places in haikou.
Take care all of you
Guys:
Apologize for asking a non mongering question, but would really appreciate your advise as I am not familiar at all with the new Guangzhou airport (believe its no longer Baiyun?):
Need to send my visitors who are here in Hong Kong to catch their plane leaving at 9 pm (back to the U.S.) at Guangzhou airport.
I figure on taking the direct train from Hunghom to Guangzhou East and then take a taxi to the airport.
Then take a taxi back to Guangzhou East train station and catch a train back to Shenzhen. The questions I have are:
- Is this a good plan/any one have a better way to do this?
- Are trains still available at approx 9PM from Guangshou East to Shenzhen? Or is it from another station in guangzhou?
- Are there other means of transport from Guangzhou Intl airport to Shenzhen? i.e. a direct bus or perhaps a train line?
Thanks in advance for any guidance/advise
Regards
SE Asia Joe
This article made the rounds yesterday. We'll see if it affects our fair hobby.
[url]http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-08/29/content_6622902.htm[/url]
[QUOTE=Manfest]This article made the rounds yesterday. We'll see if it affects our fair hobby.
[url]http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-08/29/content_6622902.htm[/url][/QUOTE]
I don't think they will give up their best source of information and block this forum in China.
The government employs thousands of "patriotic" university students to police the internet. A few years ago, I read a story about it in the New York Times.
Maybe they find the ISG Forum to be interesting and enjoyable reading.
[QUOTE=Manfest]This article made the rounds yesterday. We'll see if it affects our fair hobby.
[url]http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-08/29/content_6622902.htm[/url][/QUOTE]The article says that they are going to "... combat pornography and other illicit activities.
They will be on the watch for websites that incite secession, promote superstition, gambling and fraud.
'It is our duty to wipe out information that does public harm and disrupts social order'... "
Now unless you are reading a different forum than I am, I think this forum is safe. I'm of the opinion that we do a prtty good job of promoting social order.
Besides, the article talks about monitoring Forums and websites that are based in Beijing.
[QUOTE=Matsu69]The article says that they are going to "... combat pornography and other illicit activities.
They will be on the watch for websites that incite secession, promote superstition, gambling and fraud.
'It is our duty to wipe out information that does public harm and disrupts social order'... "
Now unless you are reading a different forum than I am, I think this forum is safe. I'm of the opinion that we do a prtty good job of promoting social order.
Besides, the article talks about monitoring Forums and websites that are based in Beijing.[/QUOTE]
The actions of ISG men and other foreign men (not on ISG) who visit China are a simple grain of sand compared to the illicit activities of its local people.
Don't worry about this shit , but I would stay away from beijing before and during 8/8/8 . Their lucky number , the day the Olympics start. They need to clean their own house first.
Stay safe and always be careful.
tile man
[QUOTE=Matsu69]The article says that they are going to "... combat pornography and other illicit activities.
Now unless you are reading a different forum than I am, I think this forum is safe. I'm of the opinion that we do a prtty good job of promoting social order.
.[/QUOTE]
I don't think they are concerned about men looking for sex with women, that is a socially acceptable behavior in most countries.
We should not allow any political, religious or racial commentary, since that is not the "purpose of the forum".
I think the photo gallery is a problem. There is a legal and moral problem with posting a woman's picture without her permission, even if she is "just a hooker". Also, the chinese are very sensitive about pornography, and we should be aware of that cultural difference. Porn is more acceptable in the western tradition. Just my opinion, but I like the photos.
I think we should worry the censors. We want them to accept us as just average guys doing what guys do, having fun with women. We like China and have no bad intentions. We do not want them to block this forum.
Anybody who comes to this forum to promote political, religious or moral agendas should be immediately rejected.
Just my point of view.
Have read this interesting article [url]http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-08/29/content_6626997.htm[/url] and wonder if this applies to human females too.
By looking at how gladly they "drink" from us, I am quite positive.
I just read this article in the China Daily on the plane today.
[url]http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-09/01/content_6073061.htm[/url]
OAH
Hey fellow players.
I was recently in China (CP in particular) and I couldn't get connected to ISG, either in an Internet Bar or at my friend's home private computer.
The thing is. The info on this site is most needed when one is travelling or living in China (as it was the case for me when I was visiting CP in July). And there's a real possibility that I may be heading back to China to work and live, which makes the need to connect to this website even more "imperative". So my question is. How do you guys get connected to ISG while in China?
If I'm lucky enuf to actually get to live in China, I will certainly want to be a subscribing member so I can meet up with "like-minded" friends to go do some serious "hunting". But if I can't get access while in China, then. What's the point.
Thanx for any feedback.
Many members, myself included, never experience problems in connecting to ISG or any other website.
However, others report same your invoncenience.
Just scroll down this thread and you will find how to overcome this problem (connecting to a proxy or through other websites - sorry I am not a computer guru).
[QUOTE=Tonedog]Hey fellow players.
I was recently in China (CP in particular) and I couldn't get connected to ISG, either in an Internet Bar or at my friend's home private computer.
The thing is. The info on this site is most needed when one is travelling or living in China (as it was the case for me when I was visiting CP in July). And there's a real possibility that I may be heading back to China to work and live, which makes the need to connect to this website even more "imperative". So my question is. How do you guys get connected to ISG while in China?
If I'm lucky enuf to actually get to live in China, I will certainly want to be a subscribing member so I can meet up with "like-minded" friends to go do some serious "hunting". But if I can't get access while in China, then. What's the point.
Thanx for any feedback.[/QUOTE]
thanks Albert for your feedback.
I'm not a computer guy either. My computer ability is limited to the everyday use of the machine and getting online. Don't know anything about connecting to a proxy or the likes.
The problem that I think I had when trying to connect ISG in China is that the name of this site has the word "sex" in it. And we all know that the Chinese Big Brother blocks/censors all words related to "sex", "porn", etc.
So Albert, how do you get connected...do you just type in the website name in the address box and...it appears??
Anyone else can give me some feedback.
--Tonedog
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Hi,
Did anyone read this from the Forum's Home Page?
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-proxyservers.php
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
... I just type all kind of website names without any sort of difficulty in connection.
Anyhow, have a look at Jackson's page.
[QUOTE=Tonedog]
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So Albert, how do you get connected...do you just type in the website name in the address box and...it appears??
...
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P.S. Jackson, sorry for not being a careful reader of your suggestions concerning forum usage.
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[QUOTE=Tonedog]Hey fellow players.
I was recently in China (CP in particular) and I couldn't get connected to ISG, either in an Internet Bar or at my friend's home private computer.
The thing is. The info on this site is most needed when one is travelling or living in China (as it was the case for me when I was visiting CP in July). And there's a real possibility that I may be heading back to China to work and live, which makes the need to connect to this website even more "imperative". So my question is. How do you guys get connected to ISG while in China?
If I'm lucky enuf to actually get to live in China, I will certainly want to be a subscribing member so I can meet up with "like-minded" friends to go do some serious "hunting". But if I can't get access while in China, then. What's the point.
Thanx for any feedback.[/QUOTE]
You should not need to bother with proxies and the like and they tend to slow things down a lot. It should work and I have only once or twice been temporarily unable to access it here.
I would try other locations first, or try other links, like:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=233[/url]
:and see how that goes.
Good luck on the move.
Hi ,
I decide to quit this hobby, for too many bad experiences.
Followings are summarized experiences (focused on North China. my work field for
North China)
1. Tianjin Municipality including suburbs
KTVs of Jixian county.(2001 2003 2005 2006)
- The girls have nice attitude and their services are nice.
- appearance : 6-7, attitude : 7-9, service : 7-8
- 100RMB for tip, 400-800RMB for LT
Sauna of Jixian(forget where)
- very pleasant and openminded girls
- 150RMB
local KTV of Tianjin(2001)
- The girls had nice attitutde
- appearance : 5-6, attitude : 8-9
- 100RMB for tip, 400-600RMB for LT
2. Weihai.
KTV in Goldenbay Hotel
- nice attitude, appearance ( Almost girls are pingtai ;;;)
- 100RMB for tip
KTV in Jinmu Hotel(Rongcheng city)
- appearance : 7-9, attitude : 5-8, service : 5(just tried one, that was too bad)
- tip : 100RMB, 400-800RMB for LT(2003-2005)
KTVs city centers
- their appearances wore worse than KTV girls in Jinmu, price is more expensvce
- tip 200RMB. never asked LT
Sauna near Jianguo Haiyue Hotel
- All staffs were kind.( winter time, not so many guest)
- I believe that almost of the sauna here will do reasonable service
BBS in Dongfang Hotel
- asked taxi driver for good place
- all chubby and short girls
- they asked room fare(300) and girl(180)
- too stupid to ask taxi driver this
3. Lianyungang
BBS in Jieri Hotel
- normal girl with nice hip and bust (6-8)
- bad service and expensive (400RMB)
BBS near Pearl Marriot Hotel(? Mingzhu Wanho fandian)
- face : 6-7, body : 8.5-9.5 ( small bust but other parts are pefect)
- 298RMB
4. Nanjing
Sauna in Grand Metro Hotel
- 800RMB for 2
- not bad service
5. Shenyang.
Saunas
- try place with many guest (like golden bay or Shangjiangchun)!.
- Almost sauna girls do very good service
Jinbi huihuang(?) KTV (Golden -- KTV)
- many girls (100-200) with various quality
- Tip : 200RMB (200RMB for DJ and Mamasan)
Outcall and freebie in Shenyang.
1) mamasan at Kempinski hotel(met about 1AM)
she called student from Dancing school(
God!! I never forget her, her service was perfect(did everthing for me).
I want to meet her again.)
2) BBS at Phoenix Hotel
successful in 2005(beauties)
failed in 2007.
6. Beijing
Passion
- too expensive and medicoire serives
- Outside of room, do everything, inside room, do nothing
- For them, I am walking wallet with dick
- too stupid to go there a lot of times
Huadu KTV
- 00:30 AM at 2005 ( no DJ, too late, that was too good) and have a pleasant time with girls
- 2006 ( with DJ. that was too bad)
KTV in Debao Hotel
- Asked driver good place (too stupid)
- 5-6 quality girls, do not try this place
- Girls drinks beer very very fast without any service
Banana
- I was walking wallet
- 300RMB for dancing, 800RMB for
My conclusions
1)
High Price and good appearance of products do not mean good service
The girls in expensive KTV(including passion bar)
have two faces( especially in Beijing; maybe too limited experience)
Outside of room, do everything, inside room, do nothing
They make me feel that I am walking wallet with dick
If you are expert with many experiencces, you can tr.
2)
Do ask taxi driver about good place.
Exception : Taxi driver in shenyang(Saunas with good service are well connected with drivers)
3)
Do not call special massage in Hotel. (Just for me, others have many good experiences
4)
Best place for mongering
- County(small city)area with many business tourist. (Rongcheng, Yingkou, Lianyungang) all good
- Just for short time tourist, shenyang was best place
5)
regret to know Maggies and this forum too late.
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First of all let me tell you that I regret you had so many bad experiences.
However, as you state, maybe reason itself for that is late knowledge of ISG and you couldn't benefit of all clues given here.
It happened same to me actually, but I didn't give up and now I am a very happy monger.
[QUOTE=Misakimao]
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regret to know ... this forum too late.
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QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Moody]This may be not necessarily be obvious, so I'll say it anyway. Chinese men score a helluva lot more "freebies" than foreigners. I would even venture to say that natives score a helluva lot more "freebies" than foreigners in just about every country in the world.
In China there's a sense that women who go with foreigners do so for one of 4 reasons; curiousity, money, crazy, or can't do any better cuz they're ugly. Yes it's racist, but that's pretty much how they feel.[/QUOTE]
May I pose a question about the above? (I know I'm coming into the discussion late, but I was reading some older articles and came across this.) Apparently, many of the "freebies" that Chinese men get are (1) women who regard the relationship as serious, i.e., potentially marriage-track, (2) women who expect financial support, and (3) women who are not particularly attractive. Suppose we exclude these categories. The question is, if by "freebies" we mean "attractive women who don't expect a serious relationship or financial support," then, is it still the case that Chinese men score a helluva lot more freebies than foreigners? Or not? Thanks for any insights.
[QUOTE=Night Cat]May I pose a question about the above? (I know I'm coming into the discussion late, but I was reading some older articles and came across this.) Apparently, many of the "freebies" that Chinese men get are (1) women who regard the relationship as serious, i.e., potentially marriage-track, (2) women who expect financial support, and (3) women who are not particularly attractive. Suppose we exclude these categories. The question is, if by "freebies" we mean "attractive women who don't expect a serious relationship or financial support," then, is it still the case that Chinese men score a helluva lot more freebies than foreigners? Or not? Thanks for any insights.[/QUOTE]I'm reluctant to provide a non-monger perspective in our dear twisted community, but 99. 9% of all human sexual activity occurs without the direct exchange of money, I. E. 'freebies'. Spare me the lectures that all sex has it's price; my divorce attorney has provided that expensive narrative on multiple occasions.complex sexual economics aside, direct P4P is not the way that most of the world exchanges fluids.
Yes: even in modern China, women overwhelmingly see sexuality as a preface to marriage, or at least part of the process to find a suitable lifetime mate. Do Chinese women experiment? Get drunk? Make foolish choices? Thankfully: of course! But likely your success ratio with 'freebies' will be in direct relationship to your 1) suitability as a potential husband 2) your ability to project (or falsify) this suitability 3) your flexibility to accept less than 'young and beautiful' into your hotel room 4) your willingness to invest time and energy sustaining this new 'relationship' prior to (and after) entry and finally 5) how soon your flight leaves China to return you to the arms of your loving wife and the kids she tells you are yours.
Here are answers from someone who works/has worked hard on freebies.
First of all, I would like to clarify that for “freebies” I think everybody agrees we don’t talk about sex-for-free, as always you invest some money (food, club, gift even if not requested) and time (everybody knows too that time is money), but we only mean common girls, i.e. neither pros nor semi-pros.
Freebies I was/am with cannot be categorized under (1) as when I meet them I openly/clearly tell them what I am looking for, or under (2) as I have never been requested to support them financially in any sort of way. On the contrary, in some cases they took care of restaurant bill, or at least insisted to do that.
As far as category (3), many girls I have been with are young and good looking, besides being pleasant/funny to be with.
In any case, beauty is subjective and, most important, I don’t think that sexual attraction is necessarily linked to beauty.
[QUOTE=Night Cat]May I pose a question about the above? (I know I'm coming into the discussion late, but I was reading some older articles and came across this.) Apparently, many of the "freebies" that Chinese men get are (1) women who regard the relationship as serious, i.e., potentially marriage-track, (2) women who expect financial support, and (3) women who are not particularly attractive. Suppose we exclude these categories. The question is, if by "freebies" we mean "attractive women who don't expect a serious relationship or financial support," then, is it still the case that Chinese men score a helluva lot more freebies than foreigners? Or not? Thanks for any insights.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, maybe my question wasn't clear. I was commenting on a discussion that happened a couple months ago, so maybe the context got lost. I'll try to make this simple.
To recap: Moody's assertion: Chinese men score a helluva lot more "freebies" than foreigners.
There was general agreement, and I agree with it as well. However, a lot of the "freebies" that Chinese guys get are "supported," "serious," or "unattractive." If we exclude those, then does Moody's assertion still hold?
(A) Yes.
(B) Yes, but only somewhat more (not "a helluva lot more").
(C) No, in that case, Chinese guys are getting no better results than us laowai.
My guess (based on having a few Chinese friends over the past 5 years) is (B) (with the understanding that "freebie" in any case still includes costs of hunting, dinner, gifts, etc. -- I'm not excluding that).
[QUOTE=Night Cat]Sorry, maybe my question wasn't clear. I was commenting on a discussion that happened a couple months ago, so maybe the context got lost. I'll try to make this simple.
To recap: Moody's assertion: Chinese men score a helluva lot more "freebies" than foreigners.
There was general agreement, and I agree with it as well. However, a lot of the "freebies" that Chinese guys get are "supported," "serious," or "unattractive." If we exclude those, then does Moody's assertion still hold?
(A) Yes.
(B) Yes, but only somewhat more (not "a helluva lot more").
(C) No, in that case, Chinese guys are getting no better results than us laowai.
My guess (based on having a few Chinese friends over the past 5 years) is (B) (with the understanding that "freebie" in any case still includes costs of hunting, dinner, gifts, etc. -- I'm not excluding that).[/QUOTE]
This subject can be more complicated than..... Chinese men get more pussy than Laowai's. One thing I know for sure is Chinese men get better service and bang (no pun intended) for the buck or free sex than Laowai's. Why? Plain and simple , language and knowledge of culture. Period.
I can maybe get more free pussy in my country for the same reason like Moody said. I said maybe because I did get my fair share of free pussy in China . I am 100% sure that I can get more younger free pussy in China than I can get in the USA. In fact , I do get more free younger pussy in China than USA. But , I must admit that nothing in this life is free. Like Night Cat said ............ the cost of hunting , dinner , shopping , etc.
OK , The question was....... Do Chinese men get more pussy . Chinese men and all other Laowai's men countries come in only two categories, single or married. This is where it can get complicated.
MARRIED MEN:
I guess that 90% of Married Chinese men who cheat PAY. I did not say 90% of Married Chinese men cheat but the ones who do cheat, PAY , I am sure of this. 90% does not leave much room for free pussy.
Like Night Cat said , I also have 100's of Chinese women friends who have told me this. Yes the 90% number could be irresponsible of me including the Chinese women who have told me this. no ones knows the real numbers , so take it for what its worth.
Maybe 90% of our Laowai's Countries married men Cheat to, but its free , except for the hunting , gifts , dinner etc. , like Night cat said.
So when is comes to married men , who is getting more free pussy? Hands down , the married Western man wins. Morally I don't think WIN is the best word , but men will be men and this string in not about morals.
SINGLE MEN:
The 18 to 30 OR up until they are married , I really don't know. China is going through a sexual revolution for maybe 10 years now , but again because the West is and has been more open to sex than China's youth. I would give the Western young man the edge. This is not good news if you have a young daughter or son , but this is life. I would hope to hear other opinions on this age group. The problem is , we don't have many home town Chinese men on this site. We do have many Western / Chinese men on ISG and maybe they can help.
THE REAL FREE SEX:
The 15 to 18 years old all over the West and China experiment with sex all the time now and there is no gifts , dinner , hunting , etc. Remember those days?
Good post Night Cat , Moody and others.
Stay safe gentlemen
tile man
... and didn't get question properly.
So, I have to apologize.
In addition, I don't have answer for the real question.
As a foreigner, I can only say it appears very easy for us to score. Basing on conversations with my Chinese partners and friends, it seems very easy for them too.
Who scores more ?
Maybe it is not important to know.
Probably, our targets are just different and we never get into competition, which I believe is important issue at the end.
[QUOTE=Night Cat]Sorry, maybe my question wasn't clear.
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[QUOTE=Albert Punter]... and didn't get question properly.
So, I have to apologize.
In addition, I don't have answer for the real question.
As a foreigner, I can only say it appears very easy for us to score. Basing on conversations with my Chinese partners and friends, it seems very easy for them too.
Who scores more?
Maybe it is not important to know.
Probably, our targets are just different and we never get into competition, which I believe is important issue at the end.[/QUOTE]I'm reminded of a Beijing local artist, when asked what his reaction was when he saw a western man with a Chinese wife, shrugging: "Lao Wai only marry the ugly ones".
In New York, I live in Chinatown, and I see the complimentary situation: Chinese women with American men that they must have met on Jerry Springer.
If we were such desirable mates, Maggies would be charging local Chinese women an entry fee and I would be insisting on 1500 for my world class DATY.
But really, aren't the only ladies giving it up for free either ugly, already rich, married, or think they will get paid later (aka through marriage)? Will a smart, attractive, single girl with normal chinese income give it up for free to some guy who will probably leave her soon after to find a hotter girl?
And if the guy is married with no intention of divorcing and does not lie to the girl, doesn't he have almost no chance to be with a very hot chinese girl for free. If we agree that none of us wants to waste our time with someone who is stupid or ugly, then if a married guy wants a freebie, he will need to find married or already rich woman who is just looking for fun, no? If she is married, there are many risks there that most will not want to expose themselves to. Which leaves rich, bored attractive women as potential freebies for married guys. My spidey sense tells me there are not many of these women in China.
Attractive freebies, it would seem then, are only for unmarried men (or married men who lie to the girl) who can offer marriage and security to the girl. Am I wrong here?
... as far as I am concerned.
As already stated in old posts, I never lie about my marital status to girls and I can confirm that I am/was able to drive to bed hot girls much younger than me.
As I am not a professional playboy nor a model type, but just a common man, I believe others can do that easily in China.
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Am I wrong here?
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In Zhuhai I saw a lot of prostitutes walking the street chatting you up, trying to get you to take them back to your hotel room for 200 RMB. First I thought they were freelance, since I didn't notice any pimps following them.
Then I noticed that the same girls were always walking the same locations. I also followed one of the girls in 30m distance and noticed that there was some kind of pimp thug going with her, trying to get customers.
Now my questions are:
1. What is the status of these prostitutes? Do they do this work on their own accord, or are they the "slaves" of the pimp? E.g. if the girl didn't want to continue to work, because she wanted to look for another kind of job or felt she had earned enough money, could she just stop and leave? If not, how does the pimp control that she comes back to him after she was in my hotel room. Obviously he doesn't wait in front of the room, at least I never saw anybody.
2. If I give the girl 200RMB, how much does she keep for herself and how much does the pimp get?
Most of these girls appeared nearly desperate that you take them out, i.e. they talked up men on the street very aggressively for 12 hours a day and their facial expressions often showed signs of being stressed out to get more customers. This whole experience was really rather unnerving.
Another thing I experienced that was unsettling was this: I had sex with a girl from Sichuan who looked like a country girl from a village. After we had finished, I asked her at which age she first had had sex. I don't want to repeat the answer here, but it was unnerving.
According to my amateur psychological interpretation, she was probably a victim of child abuse in a peasant family, who then fled her village to come to the city, where she began working as a prostitute to support herself. These observations really show you the dark sides of this business.
Also, has anyone here noticed that some of the girls have blue spots on them that look like being the result of beatings?
Thanks to those who responded. Clearly, freebies are an area where "YMMV" especially applies, so it's hard to make any generalizations, but I think some useful observations have been posted. To close the loop on my original question, I would agree that Chinese guys probably get more freebie action than foreigners, but I also think that the girls with the Chinese guys are almost always of the "girlfriend" variety (she thinks she's his #1), or the "lover" variety (she knows she isn't #1, but gets some kind of financial support, e.g., he pays her rent). When speaking Chinese, "nupengyou" and "qingren" are usually understood to have the above meanings, respectively (which is why, in Chinese, it doesn't make sense to say "one of my girlfriends"). Again, there are so many variables (age group, region, socio-economic class, marital status, etc.) that it's hard to generalize, but that's what I've observed.
Where foreign guys may have an advantage is with girls who see themselves as "open minded" and want to go beyond the above model (which is seen as something Chinese) and try something more casual (which is seen as something foreign). They might feel more comfortable trying this with a foreigner than a Chinese guy.
We see a lot of guys reporting vastly different results with freebies, which of course has to do with many variables (as it would in your own country). "Everyone finds a different China," and my China is similar to AG's Thailand (where he found that it was easy to get a girlfriend but the marriage or money questions would come up eventually). So, I'm not quite the "alpha male" in China, maybe a "beta male?" But that's still better than my results in my own country. My perception (although this may be a cynical slant, don't put too much stock into it) is that Chinese girls estimate their "market value" according to their beauty, and need to be compensated accordingly, whether financially, or having a serious relationship with a future, or, if more "open minded," entertainment (i.e., they feel entertained by you). The more "compensation" you put out, the hotter the girls you can get. I think a lot of guys who get freebies here approach and chase a lot of women. Maybe they'll chat up 20 or 30 girls, go out with a few, and bed one of them. If they enjoy the process, then they don't see this as a cost. Personally, I find it inconvenient. During my first couple years or so in China, I had some "no strings" freebies, but I noticed that I was spending an enormous amount of time hunting, going on dead-end dates, dealing with girls who want the strings, and hanging around in places where I'd otherwise not want to spend time (like the disco). So I cut down on that and shifted more toward P4P. Now, I'm considerably less "social" than I used to be. But who knows, the pendulum may yet swing again.
That's my story. YMMV! Cheers, and good luck,
NC
Unlike Albert Punter, I am not always upfront with freebies initially about my marital status, albeit I will tell the truth if asked which is more often than not. One of the first questions normally asked is, "Is your family here?".
I find that some Chinese girls don't care whether you are married and find it as a challenge. I even did one freebie in SZ that told me she never asks the question. On the other hand, many bolt when they know you are married and there is no long term potentional. There is no question that you can get more if you lie, but I prefer to be honest. Married women are a good option, but I always feel guilty about doing this for some reason. And, I do not want to find myself in a confrontation with a jealous husband.
Frankly, I never get the hot stunners for free. I believe that rich Chinese guys have the best chance here and pay up the nose for the priveledge in the form of rent (house), cars, gifts, dinners, allowance, etc. Divorce is on the rise in China so these girls still think they have a chance. One good friend of mine (a TV dancer) just pulled this off. They guy bought her a house and car when he was still married. He has since divorced his wife and will marry my friend next month. However, this type of girl never looks twice at a middle aged laowai.
Even the top, top, quality P4P do not do laowai. They don't have to. I mean why should they take the chance of a big dick and never ending FS (real or myth?) when they can have as many Chinese punters as they want and the chance that one may decide to "keep" them.
YMMY, but like Nightcat, I have had to invest time in freebies with a lot of dead ends. Only once was I able to score a one night stand in China, but I do not spend much time in bars and discos.
To put it in perspective, I do over 100 girls per year in China and over 90% are P4P. It is just quicker and easier for me.
Just my POV.
OAH
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]Unlike Albert Punter, I am not always upfront with freebies initially about my marital status, albeit I will tell the truth if asked which is more often than not. One of the first questions normally asked is, "Is your family here?".
I find that some Chinese girls don't care whether you are married and find it as a challenge. I even did one freebie in SZ that told me she never asks the question. On the other hand, many bolt when they know you are married and there is no long term potentional. There is no question that you can get more if you lie, but I prefer to be honest. Married women are a good option, but I always feel guilty about doing this for some reason. And, I do not want to find myself in a confrontation with a jealous husband.
Frankly, I never get the hot stunners for free. I believe that rich Chinese guys have the best chance here and pay up the nose for the priveledge in the form of rent (house), cars, gifts, dinners, allowance, etc. Divorce is on the rise in China so these girls still think they have a chance. One good friend of mine (a TV dancer) just pulled this off. They guy bought her a house and car when he was still married. He has since divorced his wife and will marry my friend next month. However, this type of girl never looks twice at a middle aged laowai.
Even the top, top, quality P4P do not do laowai. They don't have to. I mean why should they take the chance of a big dick and never ending FS (real or myth?) when they can have as many Chinese punters as they want and the chance that one may decide to "keep" them.
YMMY, but like Nightcat, I have had to invest time in freebies with a lot of dead ends. Only once was I able to score a one night stand in China, but I do not spend much time in bars and discos.
To put it in perspective, I do over 100 girls per year in China and over 90% are P4P. It is just quicker and easier for me.
Just my POV.
OAH[/QUOTE]Yes. I totally agree.
I believe that the single man, Chinese or Western, in his search for freebie is actually in his own blind search for a lifetime mate. How many of us have seen that freebie morph into the ***** with a wedding ring, a lawyer, our children and our money? Now in China, rather than the hunt for the freebie, I find my hunt to be for the non-pro who will do the deed for money for the first time (or one of very few times). A working-girl virgin if you will. She wants the money. She is curious about sex and western men. She certainly doesn't want marriage to a lao Lao Wai. She doesn't want anyone to know. So a wealthy middle-aged western man who is seldom in China is a quick low-risk adventure.
The cute shop girl, the hotel waitress or the young married woman shopping in the mall, etc. , will not have the performance capability of one of Maggie's Mongolians. But she will not be as jaded to the deed, and her pussy will not have the mileage. She will not be faking her orgasm and her nervousness and freshness are. Well, priceless.
Perhaps most importantly to me, once back in the hotel room, there is a mystery about what will happen and I have that stupid testosterone feeling of having made a new 'conquest', even as I count out the red maos into her well-manicured hands.
What I have experienced in China is that you can ask for "Short Time" for approximately 200 RMB. The problem with that in my experience has been that many of the girls want to leave after having sex for approximately 15 minutes. This kind of sex is pretty unfulfilling, often I haven't even climaxed.
The other option is "Long Time" for 800 RMB, where she stays overnight. I'm not interested in that, because I don't see any sense in a girl lying next to me, while I'm sound asleep. Also, I'm afraid she may steal some stuff from my hotel room, while I'm sleeping.
Is there an option of "Medium Time", maybe for 400, where she stays for like 2 hours, so you can have good long sex, with foreplay etc.?
[QUOTE=Phil1980]What I have experienced in China is that you can ask for "Short Time" for approximately 200 RMB. The problem with that in my experience has been that many of the girls want to leave after having sex for approximately 15 minutes. This kind of sex is pretty unfulfilling, often I haven't even climaxed.
The other option is "Long Time" for 800 RMB, where she stays overnight. I'm not interested in that, because I don't see any sense in a girl lying next to me, while I'm sound asleep. Also, I'm afraid she may steal some stuff from my hotel room, while I'm sleeping.
Is there an option of "Medium Time", maybe for 400, where she stays for like 2 hours, so you can have good long sex, with foreplay etc.?[/QUOTE]
All Chinese WG's know that their one job is to make you pop. My Countrry the same and I'm sure all Countries the same. Sure there are some guys that just want the company of a woman with no sex at all , including Chinese men.
For 200 rmb , you should have made it clear that you need a quick HJ after you fucked her so you won't have lovers nuts all day. By the sound of your post , you paid her first and this gave her the chance to bolt on you. I would think with all the good post on ISG that we would learn.
Years ago , some guy wrote a book "Computers for dummies" and now there are many of these books for 100's of other subjects. We need one more - "Sex for dummies" I am not saying that you are a dummies because we all have made these mistakes.
Good luck on your next one Phil be safe
tile man
[QUOTE=Phil1980]What I have experienced in China is that you can ask for "Short Time" for approximately 200 RMB. The problem with that in my experience has been that many of the girls want to leave after having sex for approximately 15 minutes. This kind of sex is pretty unfulfilling, often I haven't even climaxed.
The other option is "Long Time" for 800 RMB, where she stays overnight. I'm not interested in that, because I don't see any sense in a girl lying next to me, while I'm sound asleep. Also, I'm afraid she may steal some stuff from my hotel room, while I'm sleeping.
Is there an option of "Medium Time", maybe for 400, where she stays for like 2 hours, so you can have good long sex, with foreplay etc.?[/QUOTE]
You pay for one hour session of short time for 200 RMB and if the experience is a good one, then you extend for another period hour for another 200 RMB.
[QUOTE=Meiguoguizi]Yes. I totally agree.
I believe that the single man, Chinese or Western, in his search for freebie is actually in his own blind search for a lifetime mate. [/QUOTE]
I agree with the lifetime mate Meiguoguizi but, I think the reason why many of us men talk about free sex is............... For the basic man's needs:
to be desired
to be wanted
to be touched
to be needed
to be liked or loved
and much much more, not to mention our ego's being stroked with the above.
Men don't like to admit or talk about the above but we all want it and need it to survive .
I am sorry to say that your lifetime mate quote ends up with lifetime lawyers and support for us divorced men , but many of us search for the about "until death do us parth".
Mongering just helps us to get the above touching and avoid the lawyer and support shit.
Good post Meiguozuizi , take care and be safe.
tile man
[QUOTE=Meiguoguizi]I believe that the single man, Chinese or Western, in his search for freebie is actually in his own blind search for a lifetime mate. [/QUOTE]
I enjoy the hunt far more than the capture and in China, I am the one being hunted!
Life is good.
-CPE
[QUOTE=CPExpat]I enjoy the hunt far more than the capture and in China, I am the one being hunted!
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I agree, I'm not sure why so many White guys are whining around here. It's really not difficult to get into contact with ordinary Chinese women as a White guy in China, as long as you know some Chinese and aren't butt-ugly. In my experience it is far easier than meeting women in any Western country.
Just as an example, about two weeks ago I sat in a small street restaurant in Zhuhai drinking some beer. After a while the female owner of the restaurant came up to me, asked me the usual questions (where I'm from, where I have learned Chinese etc.), after about five minutes she takes out her cell phone and starts showing me pictures of her 20 and 23 year old daughters and tries to get me to call them up and meet them. I felt kind of uncomfortable and left after a short while. Still, I have never had such experiences in any Western country.
The only negative aspect of going out with Chinese women is all the stares you get from Chinese guys when you walk down the street with her, not that I care, but many of the girls mind.
I'm just curious: Has anyone of you ever been beaten up or robbed on the street in China?
[QUOTE=Phil1980]I'm just curious: Has anyone of you ever been beaten up or robbed on the street in China?[/QUOTE]Nope. Probably will now.
Seriously, whilst the Chinese can be pushy and 'aggressive' on the subway etc it is pretty lightwegiht stuff. If you ever see a fight in China it is mainly 'slapping' and pushing than actually fists. In the west, fists would be out and blood showing way before the Chinese guys get really started.
Big cities seem safe - hell you walk into a dark alley anywhere you are asking for trouble, but less likely to find it on a main street in Shanghai or Beijing than New York, London or Sydney where alcohol has so much a bigger part to play.
Now, if you will follow touts (see recent threads on Shanghai forum) that is a different matter.
WGS
Phil1980, I was robbed in Beijing in 1997 by three pussies with switchblades. Almost directly across the street from Kempinski when there used to be a little alley with a whole neighborhood back there.
Take was 2000 rmb, 800 US, and my Tag watch. It was my fault - I'm a city kid and was not paying attention to my situation around me like I should have been.
Three little punks who I could have snapped in two like a field bean. But they had the knives, and wasn't interested in getting cut.
[QUOTE=Lao Ma]
Take was 2000 rmb, 800 US, and my Tag watch. It was my fault - I'm a city kid and was not paying attention to my situation around me like I should have been.
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How come you were carrying 800 USD on the street in Beijing in 1997?
I normally stow my money in 2 pockets, in one I carry daily use money (like 150 RMB), say when I want to buy a beer at a street stall. In the other (concealed) pocket I carry somewhat larger amounts, though I would disrecommend carrying more than you are willing to spend that evening with you.
BTW, I had money stolen twice from me in China: Once in Shanghai somebody on the street opened my backpack and stole approximately 2000 RMB, since then I always carry my backpack in front when in China. The other time I was drunk in Haikou and asked a taxi driver to get me a girl. Afterwards the driver followed me and the girl to my hotel room and stole several thousand RMB from my hotel room, while I was having sex with the girl.
[QUOTE=World Guy Sh]In the west, fists would be out and blood showing way before the Chinese guys get really started.
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I agree, in Germany I have even seen women in a disco beating up a guy. They totally scratched out his face, there was blood all over him, all because he supposedly touched them.
Also, I still remember from my school days there were several events where students had teeth knocked out in schoolyard fights. Then again, I grew up in a bad part of town.
Personally I have never been a victim of serious violence in China, once a woman in a disco slapped me in the face, because I fondled her butt, once a guy kicked me in the ass, because I was hitting on his girlfriend, that's about it.
At the same time I have often engaged in high-risk behaviour in China, which probably would have gotten me killed by now in cities like Moscow or L.A., like walking through dark alleys at night in a drunken stupor, driving along with people I had just met to locations I didn't know, trying to chat up women who were obviously attached etc. Then again, I'm a pretty muscular guy who works out regularly, so maybe most Chinese guys don't dare to start a serious fight. Anyway, I would fight back as hard as I can.
[QUOTE=World Guy Sh]Nope. Probably will now.
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First, this is very funny and probably true. Never temp the gods.
Second, the Chinese will usually leave the foreigners alone because it will probably go bad for them if the police gets involved.
I am Chinese-American and can speak Chinese. I have asked some Police that I have met about safety in China. Most of them don't want to get involved with a foreigner since it causes them a lot of trouble. They would have to get their superiors involved therefore they are very hard on the local Chinese that causes the trouble.
This being said, you have to allow the local Chinese their "Face", sometimes they will lose their temper and will suffer for it if the police gets involved however you would have gotten beaten up already.
You will be fine if you will not call attention to yourself.
[QUOTE=Phil1980]Then again, I'm a pretty muscular guy who works out regularly, so maybe most Chinese guys don't dare to start a serious fight. Anyway, I would fight back as hard as I can.[/QUOTE]
Unless you, or someone you're with lifes in danger, just walk away. Stupidity is not bravery, it's just a guy who winds up in the hospital or morgue because he thought he was invincible.
If a man is starving, hopped up on drugs or has lost his mind, he will do what it takes to survive, including mugging a big muscular guy. Muscles don't mean shit to a guy who knows how to fight. I also go to a gym and watch those small guys doing kung-fu and kickboxing and to be honest, I would not want to tangle with them.
If you are confronted, there is something much better than fighting back and it's called running. I would rather explain my cowardness to friends, rather then them trying to figure out how I ended up in a body bag.
Carry only the minimum amount of cash you will need, don't wear expensive jewerly, have a plan before you go out, don't get so drunk you lose the ability to make sound decisions and don't let your little head put you in a dangerous situation.
My PoV
-CPE
[QUOTE=CPExpat]
If you are confronted, there is something much better than fighting back and it's called running. I would rather explain my cowardness to friends, rather then them trying to figure out how I ended up in a body bag.
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Another possibility is to carry pepper spray, non-lethal, highly effective in knocking those punks out. Buy several cannisters and practice how to draw, aim and shoot at a person quickly.
Even a knife isn't of any use, when you can't see anymore and your entire face is burning.
[QUOTE=Phil1980]Another possibility is to carry pepper spray, non-lethal, highly effective in knocking those punks out. Buy several cannisters and practice how to draw, aim and shoot at a person quickly.
Even a knife isn't of any use, when you can't see anymore and your entire face is burning.[/QUOTE]
That's a dubious suggestion for someone living in the US, much less China...
Haven't you seen how Chinese usually fight? You'll almost never be in a 1-on-1 situation, more like 5-on-1 or 10-on-1...I don't care who you are, unless you have a firearm, you're not going to win with those odds...
It's never going to be a fair fight and there are too many unknown variables that could happen, and that's why I agree with CP Exapt...extricate your ass from dangerous situation ASAP.
J
[QUOTE=Johnnykon666]That's a dubious suggestion for someone living in the US, much less China...
Haven't you seen how Chinese usually fight? You'll almost never be in a 1-on-1 situation, more like 5-on-1 or 10-on-1...I don't care who you are, unless you have a firearm, you're not going to win with those odds...
It's never going to be a fair fight and there are too many unknown variables that could happen, and that's why I agree with CP Exapt...extricate your ass from dangerous situation ASAP.
J[/QUOTE]
I also agree. There is no reason to proof anything to anyone.
Like someone once said, those who lose fight and runs away, lives to run another day.
[QUOTE=Phil1980]I'm just curious: Has anyone of you ever been beaten up or robbed on the street in China?[/QUOTE]
Not on the street. In Chengdu, I had my wallet lifted by a girl I was dancing with in a disco. After dancing closely for a few minutes, she told me there's something on my face, so I went to the bathroom, and then afterwards, she was gone, and so was my wallet. Since then, I don't use a wallet.
In Shenzhen, I was in a very crowded disco, and started getting annoyed by people shoving me as they went past. At one point, I was positioned where a guy would either have to ask me to move so he could get by, or shove me. He chose to shove me. I turned, told him (in Chinese), "you shouldn't do THIS," and shoved him back. Then we mixed it up for a while, sort of grabbing/dragging each other, the only blood was from my arm that got cut on the edge of a table. The staff came by to separate us and escorted him out, and later they suggested I leave by the back entrance (since the guy could be waiting with friends outside). I decided that that would be my first, and last, fight in China.
A week or so later, also in Shenzhen, I was in a bar chatting up a 30+ lady, and a guy who had chatted with her earlier came up to me and whacked me real hard on the side of the head. Considering my earlier resolution, I decided not to retaliate. I would have liked to, but this way, I figure he winds up looking like the bad guy. I tried to get the staff to make him leave the bar, but they did nothing. Then I just continued chatting with the lady. She said she didn't know the guy, other than their earlier chat.
In Beijing, I was walking by an outdoor cafe, and heard one guy say "laowai!" in an aggressive tone as I passed. I ignored him. A few seconds later, I heard him say "cao ni ma!" ("fuck your mother"). Apparently he thought I didn't understand Chinese, and thought he could get in a free shot of verbal abuse against a foreigner. I stopped, turned around, walked up to him, and said to him (in Chinese), "you said 'cao ni ma'? fuck whose mother? can't be my mother, must be your mother. fuck your mother? is that what you mean? fuck your mother?" I repeated these comments until he got so steamed that he stood up and grabbed a beer bottle. His friend stood up and tried to calm him down, but it had no effect, the guy was pissed ("pissed" is American for "angry;" although he was probably also "pissed" in the British sense, i.e., drunk). He made a move like he was going to throw the bottle, so I stepped back a bit, then it looked like he was going to come after me, so I ran down the street, and he pursued. He wasn't able to catch up to me, so he threw the bottle, but it didn't reach me. At that point, it was clear that he couldn't outrun me, and he was unarmed, so, while standing in the middle of the street, I turned back and yelled at him, as loud as I could, "CAO NI MA! CAO NI MA! CAO NI MA!"
I'm usually the kind of guy who never gets into fights, and I'd rather not repeat these events, but sometimes things happen.
[QUOTE=Csun213]I have asked some Police that I have met about safety in China. Most of them don't want to get involved with a foreigner since it causes them a lot of trouble. They would have to get their superiors involved therefore they are very hard on the local Chinese that causes the trouble.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure that's generally true, but I had a run-in with the cops in Beijing, not about a fight, but about whoring. I picked up an SW and we got into a taxi. Then, a police van stopped us, handcuffed the girl, and then took me and the girl, separately, to the police station. I was questioned, and ultimately fined (a real fine, with official paperwork). The girl wasn't an undercover cop, just an SW who was stupid enough to do business out in the open during a crackdown. Likewise, I'm the only monger that I know of who was stupid enough to get busted for whoring. I think it's true that the cops might be inclined to give foreigners a break, but I suppose when there's a crackdown they have their quotas or whatever.
Just to add my POV on several posts:
[QUOTE=Phil1980]I agree, I'm not sure why so many White guys are whining around here. It's really not difficult to get into contact with ordinary Chinese women as a White guy in China, as long as you know some Chinese and aren't butt-ugly. In my experience it is far easier than meeting women in any Western country.[/QUOTE]
I think that's true, at least I've had better results here in China. I like to say that, here, a "beta male" becomes the "alpha male" (and a "gamma male" gets promoted to "beta male," etc.; you only go up one level, hence the variety of results we see among different men). I don't think people are whining, just comparing notes (which is the purpose of this Forum). What I might like to whine about is guys relating their experience with freebies in a way that's totally positive or totally negative, and so neither side is ever giving the whole picture. But instead of complain, I try to relate my own experience in a balanced way, showing both the positive and negative sides of the situation (although I'm sure I've biased it depending on my mood).
[QUOTE=Phil1980]The only negative aspect of going out with Chinese women is all the stares you get from Chinese guys when you walk down the street with her, not that I care, but many of the girls mind.[/QUOTE]
The other negative aspect is when they start negotiating, subtly or not, about marriage or money (especially the more attractive ones). But yeah, if you're not targeting the hottest chicks, I think a lot is possible here.
[QUOTE=Meiguoguizi]
I believe that the single man, Chinese or Western, in his search for freebie is actually in his own blind search for a lifetime mate.[/QUOTE]
I offer myself as an exception to the rule. I have nothing against long-term relationships, but I'd prefer a kind of sexual friendship (or friendships) that could be lifelong, but not necessarily, and aren't necessarily exclusive. Just like other friendships. Not to be too analytical, but I think it may depend on one's upbringing. If I had grown up in a two-parent household, then I suppose it would be more fixed in my mind that the "until death do us part" thing is something I must do.
[QUOTE=CPExpat]I enjoy the hunt far more than the capture
[/QUOTE]
I've heard many guys say this, so, once again, I seem to be the exception. I like the capture far more than the hunt. I hope I'm not weirding anyone out.
[QUOTE=Night Cat] Then, a police van stopped us, handcuffed the girl, and then took me and the girl, separately, to the police station.[/QUOTE]
How did they know she was a prostitute? I would just say she was a friend. After all, they didn't bust your hotel room while you were having sex, you were just sitting in a taxi together.
I think in this situation if you had refused to pay, you would have gotten away with it.
[QUOTE=Night Cat]
The other negative aspect is when they start negotiating, subtly or not, about marriage or money (especially the more attractive ones). But yeah, if you're not targeting the hottest chicks, I think a lot is possible here.
[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I know that shit too, like when she starts to tell you stuff like "you know, I really know how to cook a lot of meals" or nonsense like that.
What I have also experienced is that many Chinese girls when you first meet them behave in an incredibly sweet way, they make you feel sooo important etc., then after a while they become more and more bossy and demanding. You should watch how she treats arbitrary people on the street, in shops, at her workplace etc. to see how she would treat you if you got married to her.
[QUOTE=Phil1980]Yeah, I know that shit too, like when she starts to tell you stuff like "you know, I really know how to cook a lot of meals" or nonsense like that.
[/QUOTE]
They might do better to just cook for you than to talk about it. I'd be interested to know if anyone has had any Chinese girlfriends who really are good cooks (I mean you've tasted their cooking on several occasions and liked it). I find it puzzling how rare it is that (1) a girl can cook well, and (2) she comes up with the idea on her own to cook for the guy.
[QUOTE=Phil1980]
What I have also experienced is that many Chinese girls when you first meet them behave in an incredibly sweet way, they make you feel sooo important etc., then after a while they become more and more bossy and demanding. You should watch how she treats arbitrary people on the street, in shops, at her workplace etc. to see how she would treat you if you got married to her.[/QUOTE]
Yes, good advice.
On another topic:
[QUOTE=Phil1980]How did they know she was a prostitute?[/QUOTE]
They were watching her at a well-known pick-up location for SWs (East 3rd Ring Road in Beijing). After we took off in a taxi, they tailed us and stopped us along the way. This was during a crackdown around Spring Festival 2005. The fine was 1000 RMB.
Also on another topic, looks like you didn't get much response on your posts about girls with black and blue marks, or girls from the countryside coming from abusive situations. What you're observing is not uncommon, I've seen the same things. Some of these girls have a rough life. I'm not sure there's much more to say (unless you want to get into the details of a specific case).
[quote=phil1980]another possibility is to carry pepper spray, non-lethal, highly effective in knocking those punks out. buy several cannisters and practice how to draw, aim and shoot at a person quickly.
even a knife isn't of any use, when you can't see anymore and your entire face is burning.[/quote]
being a cop for many years, i know for a fact that pepper spray does not have a major effect on some people and some have delayed reactions to it (at least long enough to shank you). yet, another thing you have to worry about is wind speed and direction, spraying it with the wind blowing towards you, means you will get a taste of your own medicine. if 5 guys assault you, do you think the other 4 will stand in line waiting for their turn to be sprayed?
also, many people "talk" about what they would do in a hostile situation, but when the "shit hits the fan", it's a whole different ballgame.
just be safe and don't get yourself into a bad situation.
-cpe
[QUOTE=Night Cat]heard one guy say "laowai!" in an aggressive tone as I passed. I ignored him. A few seconds later, I heard him say "cao ni ma!" ("fuck your mother"). Apparently he thought I didn't understand Chinese, and thought he could get in a free shot of verbal abuse against a foreigner. I stopped, turned around, walked up to him, and said to him (in Chinese), "you said 'cao ni ma'? fuck whose mother? can't be my mother, must be your mother. fuck your mother? .[/QUOTE]
I think the calm guy, who is less prone to angry reactions, is also less likely to become the victim of a confrontation. Night Cat could have been hit from behind by one of the guy's friends. It's always better to stay very calm, pretend you didn't hear what was said, and start walking. Why argue with drunken morons!
If they insult us in english or chinese, and they know we understand, we should just say "ting bu dong", and then walk.
Ting bu dong = hear no understand.
Muscles are almost useless since the time knives and guns were invented.
Just think to what Lao Ma says in his post.
[QUOTE=CPExpat]Unless you, or someone you're with lifes in danger, just walk away. Stupidity is not bravery, it's just a guy who winds up in the hospital or morgue because he thought he was invincible.
If a man is starving, hopped up on drugs or has lost his mind, he will do what it takes to survive, including mugging a big muscular guy. Muscles don't mean shit to a guy who knows how to fight. I also go to a gym and watch those small guys doing kung-fu and kickboxing and to be honest, I would not want to tangle with them.
If you are confronted, there is something much better than fighting back and it's called running. I would rather explain my cowardness to friends, rather then them trying to figure out how I ended up in a body bag.
Carry only the minimum amount of cash you will need, don't wear expensive jewerly, have a plan before you go out, don't get so drunk you lose the ability to make sound decisions and don't let your little head put you in a dangerous situation.
My PoV
-CPE[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Albert Punter]Muscles are almost useless since the time knives and guns were invented.
Just think to what Lao Ma says in his post.[/QUOTE]
I don't think so.
Let's say you walked down the street and a copy of Rowan Atkinson slapped you in the face or a copy of Shaquille O'Neal slapped you. In which case would you rather hit back?
My back-to-you analogy would be:
Let's say you walked down the street and a copy of Rowan Atkinson sticks a knife in your face or a copy of Shaquille O'Neal sticks a knife in your face. In which case would you rather hit back?
And the answer is.....
Basically, who is to say that Rowan or Shaquille don't have a shank in their pocket. And then who's looking forward to spend time in a local Chinese hospital?
Maybe if you were back in the states and the police understands you and are fair but there in China, it's another world.
Bill
[QUOTE=Phil1980]I don't think so.
Let's say you walked down the street and a copy of Rowan Atkinson slapped you in the face or a copy of Shaquille O'Neal slapped you. In which case would you rather hit back?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]My back-to-you analogy would be:
Let's say you walked down the street and a copy of Rowan Atkinson sticks a gun in your face or a copy of Shaquille O'Neal stick a gun in your face. In which case would you rather hit back?
And the answer is.....
Bill[/QUOTE]
How many people in China carry guns? Most Chinese guys wouldn't even be willing to stab you, since they might face the death penalty.
They might however be willing to treat you in a disrespectful way and the more muscular you are, the less likely that is to happen. It's just a primitive, ancient human psychological response from our ancestor's stone age times: Don't mess with somebody who looks like he might be able to fuck you up.
hahaha. Just kidding. Your're right, most likely there will be knives involved and most likely, it be a group of thugs against you.
Someone's bound to pull out a knife and be Mr. Bigshot.
And you're absolutely right, most people will not want to start with a much bigger guy.
But when it comes to crime in China. Who's knows what can happen. Just be prepared to walk away is what everybody is saying.
Bill
[QUOTE=Phil1980]How many people in China carry guns? Most Chinese guys wouldn't even be willing to stab you, since they might face the death penalty.
They might however be willing to treat you in a disrespectful way and the more muscular you are, the less likely that is to happen. It's just a primitive, ancient human psychological response from our ancestor's stone age times: Don't mess with somebody who looks like he might be able to fuck you up.[/QUOTE]
If my fellow ISG contributors are in anyway similar in physique to the gentlemen I see crowding the bar in Maggies and The Pig, responding to any robbery attempt by running or hand-to-hand combat would likely only result in a massive coronary, well before the loss of blood from stab wounds accomplished the same sad result.
Your macho booze-and-viagra enhanced self-image to the contrary, in any advanced society, P4P can just as frequently can be translated as paying for protection.
Give it up, cheerfully and quickly. Live to monger another day.
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]hahaha. Just kidding. Your're right, most likely there will be knives involved and most likely, it be a group of thugs against you.
Someone's bound to pull out a knife and be Mr. Bigshot.
And you're absolutely right, most people will not want to start with a much bigger guy.
But when it comes to crime in China. Who's knows what can happen. Just be prepared to walk away is what everybody is saying.
Bill[/QUOTE]And it's those who have nothing to lose who are the most dangerous.
[quote=phil1980]how many people in china carry guns? most chinese guys wouldn't even be willing to stab you, since they might face the death penalty.
they might however be willing to treat you in a disrespectful way and the more muscular you are, the less likely that is to happen. it's just a primitive, ancient human psychological response from our ancestor's stone age times: don't mess with somebody who looks like he might be able to fuck you up.[/quote]
guns
actually there are lots of guns in china even with strict gun-control. they are mostly smuggled in from vietnam and south east asia. since they are hard to get and expensive, they are normally not used in petty crimes unlike the usa. big jobs like bank robberies and triad related issues with guns are more common.
[url]http://www.fsa.ulaval.ca/personnel/vernag/eh/f/manif/lectures/the%20wild%20east.htm[/url]
[i]"they smuggle drugs and guns and run the burgeoning sex industries of urban china".[/i]
[i]"the police seized over 100 hand grenades and 1,500 guns of various kinds between april and august. in the country as a whole, they confirep001ed 600,000 guns, including 8,800 military weapons, between march and june. that brings the total for the past five years to an extraordinary 2.4m guns. how many more are still out there"? [/i]
more recent news was 3.8 million illegal weapons have been confirep001ed but it didn’t what type of weapons.
[url]http://www.china.org.cn/english/china/171268.htm[/url]
overall, the amount of crime with guns is no where near the usa. the amount of money from petty crimes makes it not worth the effort and the lack of availability and cost of the guns. then the consequences if caught in china. it’s the death penalty. even with a fake gun, a guy got 19 years in a robbery.
to phil1080:
in most robberies in china it's 3 or 4 against one. yes, it does help if you are a big foreigner and they should leave you alone. nevertheless, most guys are not over 6 ft 5 in and built like a football player. watch the video in [url]www.youtube[/url]. the guy was stabbed in an atm machine in china by surprise. the guy is dead now.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvjsrlu66dg[/url]
motocycle gang robbery
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dl-4x_5mzg&mode=related&search=[/url]
I think Mr Muscles Tough Guy who says, "I ain't scared of nobody" or "I ain't gonna take that fuckin shit", is more likely to get involved in a bad situation and to become confrontational, and is therefore more likely to become a victim.
The more timid guy will avoid dangerous situations and will walk away when it is the smart thing to do.
[QUOTE=Santa]I think Mr Muscles Tough Guy who says, "I ain't scared of nobody" or "I ain't gonna take that fuckin shit", is more likely to get involved in a bad situation and to become confrontational, and is therefore more likely to become a victim.
The more timid guy will avoid dangerous situations and will walk away when it is the smart thing to do.[/QUOTE]
I reckon in the You tube vid, our man Phil would have simply pulled off a scorpion kick before using his phenomenal power and muscles to snap the knife arm, rendering the would be assailant handicapped before delivering a good old American style uppercut - knocking him unconscious before binding him up and leaving a short note for the local LE.
[quote=weelock]
actually there are lots of guns in china even with strict gun-control. they are mostly smuggled in from vietnam and south east asia.[/quote]
no shit. there are an estimated 20 million guns in germany, despite gun control. still i don't know of anybody who has been robbed with a gun. i do know of people who have been beaten up, though.
[quote=weelock]
motocycle gang robbery
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dl-4x_5mzg&mode=related&search=[/url][/quote]
the video looks fake to me. like do they have some camera man following the action live, panning around at the motorcyclist? also, in all cases the victims are women, confirming my view that the weak are primarily robbed. take the second guy, who drags away the woman's bag: i would give him a thrashing that he would wake up in a hospital bed.
it's a mistake to think you shouldn't defend yourself. most criminals go after the weak and are opportunists. take a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126][CodeWord126][/url]: if the woman submits, she will be raped, if she fights back and shouts for help, most likely the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126][CodeWord126][/url] will run away. just because it's a part of chinese or east asian culture to submit to all kinds of abuse, don't think that's the smart thing to do.
[QUOTE=Blacklisted]I reckon in the You tube vid, our man Phil would have simply pulled off a scorpion kick before using his phenomenal power and muscles to snap the knife arm, rendering the would be assailant handicapped before delivering a good old American style uppercut - knocking him unconscious before binding him up and leaving a short note for the local LE.[/QUOTE]
Actually it's pretty dumb to go to a closed-off ATM in the middle of the night and withdraw cash, while some weird guy is standing right behind you.
... I would hit back for reasons expressed by many other members too.
[QUOTE=Phil1980]I don't think so.
Let's say you walked down the street and a copy of Rowan Atkinson slapped you in the face or a copy of Shaquille O'Neal slapped you. In which case would you rather hit back?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Phil1980]No shit. There are an estimated 20 Million guns in Germany, despite gun control. Still I don't know of anybody who has been robbed with a gun. I do know of people who have been beaten up, though.[/QUOTE]
I remember once while in Greece, a man pushed me, so I pushed him back, he pushed me again so, I punched him in his pie hole and laid him out flat. Suddenly, I had 6 Greek fellows throwing punches at me because I hurt one of their fellow countrymen.
I assure you Phil1980 (are you 27?) that if a guy wants to tangle with a fellow of your size and muscularity, he's gonna have a few buddies with him. Sure, it might be risky for him, but the reward might be worth it since they think we are all walking banks.
If you can totally assure yourself it's a fair fight, then ***** slap his ass, but I highly doubt he would put himself in a position to give you the advantage.
Be Safe and Careful,
-CPE
[QUOTE=Santa]I think Mr Muscles Tough Guy who says, "I ain't scared of nobody" or "I ain't gonna take that fuckin shit", is more likely to get involved in a bad situation and to become confrontational, and is therefore more likely to become a victim.
The more timid guy will avoid dangerous situations and will walk away when it is the smart thing to do.[/QUOTE]
In my opinion, it does help if you are a big tough white/black foreigner over 6'5" and built like a football player. Most likely they will LEAVE YOU ALONE or get out of the situations easier (walk away). Then the consequences of being caught and the authorities are more likely to react. The penalties on crimes commit against foreigners are harder than for locals, but most guys are not that big. Then if guns or knifes are involved, then size doesn't matter as much. I wonder where you put your money on, three little pigs with knifes or one big bad wolf.
The negative part of being a big foreigner in China, most girls will think big guy, big dick, too much pain and NO f..k'en way!
[QUOTE=Weelock]Most likely they will LEAVE YOU ALONE[/QUOTE]
Who is "they"? Maybe we are talking about two different countries.
Many of you here seem to have had experiences of being attacked or beaten up on the street by groups of armed thugs in China. Strange that I haven't had any such experiences, and I'm no 6'5" football player. Maybe I'm just lucky.
BTW, here is a report how you can kill a person just using your head:
[url]http://www.postchronicle.com/news/original/article_212104564.shtml[/url]
[QUOTE=Phil1980]Who is "they"? Maybe we are talking about two different countries.
Many of you here seem to have had experiences of being attacked or beaten up on the street by groups of armed thugs in China. Strange that I haven't had any such experiences, and I'm no 6'5" football player. Maybe I'm just lucky.
BTW, here is a report how you can kill a person just using your head:
[url]http://www.postchronicle.com/news/original/article_212104564.shtml[/url][/QUOTE]If 1980 is your birthdate, you might consider spending a few more years filling your head rather than using it as a weapon. Though I suppose that activity does explain some of your posts.
In all of my years in Southern and SE Asia, I have never heard about a "Pattaya of China". it sounds like the perfect place for me. Can anyone help me on this one? I'd love to learn more about it and go there.
thx
[QUOTE=EatClam]In all of my years in Southern and SE Asia, I have never heard about a "Pattaya of China". it sounds like the perfect place for me. Can anyone help me on this one? I'd love to learn more about it and go there.
thx[/QUOTE]
I think it WAS in Shenzhen, but has closed down due to police raids. Maybe you could do some research on the forums yourself?
-CPE
[QUOTE=EatClam]In all of my years in Southern and SE Asia, I have never heard about a "Pattaya of China". it sounds like the perfect place for me. Can anyone help me on this one? I'd love to learn more about it and go there.
thx[/QUOTE]
It was Hainan Island. This was the most extensive *****house area with girls from all over China. Someone said to me that you would find at least one girl beneath each tree on the beach in those days!
Sadly, its been wiped out.
My MO is to avoid confrontation at all costs. I posted about an incident on the SZ thread where I witnessed 5-6 thugs kick the shit out of a SW over a minor territorial issue with another SW. The SW made a call, the thugs pulled up in a taxi, proceeded to beat the SW until she laid on the ground nearly dead and then jumped back in the taxi and left.
The same can happen to you if you engage a local guy in a fight.
I agree that it is best to swallow your pride, take the lumps and walk away safe.
Just my POV.
OAH
P.S. Most of the crime in China is petty stuff. I was pickpocketed once and several of my friends were also pickpocketed on buses and subways. Another buddy was mugged in an underpass by 4 guys with knives. Ladies get bags/necklaces clipped on the streets and in restaurants.
[QUOTE=CPExpat]I think it WAS in Shenzhen, but has closed down due to police raids. Maybe you could do some research on the forums yourself?
-CPE[/QUOTE]
I have been researching it for months but I cannot get a link between Pattaya and China that mentions such a city. I had found Hainan and was disappointed that it is merely a shadow of its former self and I have seen so much good reporting on Shenzen that I was actually hoping that that was the place. I had seen that there were periodic raids but was under the illusion? that the raids come and go.
Thanx for the reply. I'll enclose a couple of pix of a Thai/Lao gal as a token of my gratitude. I met her in BKK and was there last week but she had been bought out.
[QUOTE=Crazier]It was Hainan Island. This was the most extensive *****house area with girls from all over China. Someone said to me that you would find at least one girl beneath each tree on the beach in those days!
Sadly, its been wiped out.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I agree with the "sadly" because it was supposedly legal there and was close enough tto BKK to be convenient, although my initial airline searches revealed that it was a two plane trip, with long layovers. I am trying to find a BKK/Pattaya kind of place that will interest me for longer periods of time as I am bored with BKK. its traffic, heat, dirt, increasingly lousy attitudes of the girls(more and more like CR girls, no GFE) ets. angeles City is great but I can't seem to want to stay there more than 3-4 days. chinese gals just rock my boat and I am hoping that the GFE is there too but never having been there, I am at a loss as to city and decent hotel in that city.
Thanx for the reply--here are a couple of pix of a very naughty BKK girl that, sadly was a starfish. Too bad because she had that delicious Daisy Fuentes look.
The problem with fighting someone is China is that
1. you get beat up by other guys.
2. You get stab by one or more guys.
3. you beat up the smaller guy and hurt him badly and you get arrested.
4. worst case, you kill the guy by accident and spend the rest of your life in a Chinese jail.
Just walk away and be safe. You have nothing to proof.
IMHO:
Heros die young.
Your choice: to be a Hero or to live longer.
Enjoy!
AG
[QUOTE=EatClam]
I am trying to find a BKK/Pattaya kind of place that will interest me for longer periods of time as I am bored with BKK. its traffic, heat, dirt, increasingly lousy attitudes of the girls(more and more like CR girls, no GFE) ets. angeles City is great but I can't seem to want to stay there more than 3-4 days. chinese gals just rock my boat and I am hoping that the GFE is there too but never having been there, I am at a loss as to city and decent hotel in that city.
[/QUOTE]
While Hainan had the girls from all over China and cheap and ready sex was available, China is never like Pattaya / Bangkok. There have never been go-gos nor beer bars. Chinese mongering is a combination of SWs. BBS and KTVs and if you learn how to mix it in well, its more than A-OK.
The scene and style is different but the pussy was plenty and varied crawling all over you in Hainan then. Pity I missed it too!
[QUOTE=CPExpat]I think it WAS in Shenzhen, but has closed down due to police raids. Maybe you could do some research on the forums yourself?
-CPE[/QUOTE]
Hey,
I forgot to ask you what the "spoon fed" was all about? I had already searched the site extensively and came up empty. If you were criticizing me as I see many old timers, that have nothing better to do, then send back the pictures that I gave to you LOL.
Ya' know, actually I tried Google, by linking Pattaya and China together and found it to be Shenzhen.
Cheers
Here is Gam, from BKK. Before you criticize her slender splendor just remember that the closer to the bone, the sweeter the meat.
[QUOTE=EatClam]Hey,
I forgot to ask you what the "spoon fed" was all about? I had already searched the site extensively and came up empty. If you were criticizing me as I see many old timers, that have nothing better to do, then send back the pictures that I gave to you LOL.
Ya' know, actually I tried Google, by linking Pattaya and China together and found it to be Shenzhen.
Cheers
Here is Gam, from BKK. Before you criticize her slender splendor just remember that the closer to the bone, the sweeter the meat.[/QUOTE]
Just saying, it don't take much research to figure out where the fun places are in S. China. Yeah, this old timer has banged so many hotties here, he has lost count. The only thing this old geezer has better to do, is keep banging the girls here, so you tourists only get sloppy seconds LOL.
Seriously, Shenzhen was great, until the raids came, but you can still find high quality gals there behind the Seibu Dept Store in Luohu. Also the Pink Apts in Luohu can be good, but steer away from the ones by the Shangri-La Hotel and down the street to the McDonalds.
Guangzhou sucks for FS action.
That girl is cute, but I prefer mine to have a bod like this photo.
Safe Travels,
-CPE
What is where is CP?
Acronyms drive me mad!
Changping, part of Donguan, close to Shenzhen, Guangdong province, Southern China.
[QUOTE=Gzono]What is where is CP?
Acronyms drive me mad![/QUOTE]
I just found this on youtube.
性服务 - Sex Trade: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FQTTsa7JVY[/url]
I have no idea what the Second Life intro at the beginning was good for, but at 2:30 they start to interview two Chinese student who went abroad about prostitution in general. It is not a big interview, but I still found it interesting enough to post here.
My favorite quote: "Prostitutes are like guerillas." :D
[QUOTE=Andreas Wang]I just found this on youtube.
性服务 - Sex Trade: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FQTTsa7JVY[/url]
I have no idea what the Second Life intro at the beginning was good for, but at 2:30 they start to interview two Chinese student who went abroad about prostitution in general. It is not a big interview, but I still found it interesting enough to post here.
My favorite quote: "Prostitutes are like guerillas." :D[/QUOTE]
Those guys appear very reasonable, I always thought most young Chinese people just mindlessly believe what is taught to them by "the authorities".
I signed up for a free account on CFF (chinesefriendfinder), and found that, while I can receive messages from women on the site, I am not allowed to open the messages and read them. Instead, I get the "Order Form." In that case, I would say that CFF is completely useless to me, unless I fork over whatever money is required to enable reading messages -- however, the Order Form does not say what option I must buy in order to be able to read messages. So, I could conceivably pay for a Gold or Silver membership and still not be able to read messages. This would not be unusual considering AFF/CFF's way of doing business. A few years ago, I had a Gold membership on AFF, and then they tried to sell me an extra service option called "Allow Standard Contacts," that cost extra, to allow Standard members to send messages to me. So, you don't necessarily get full capabilities with Gold.
I have no problem with having to pay for a subscription if that's what's required. The problem is the deceptive practice whereby they don't say clearly what membership level, or what additionally-priced option, is required to read messages from others.
I would be interested to know if anyone has a free membership on CFF and can open and read messages when other members initiate contact with them. If you have that capability, I may be curious to know if your account was originally opened as a free account on CFF, or if perhaps your capabilities were "grandfathered" over from an AFF account, or from a previous non-free account.
For now, it would appear that anyone who opens a new, free account on CFF will not be able to open and read messages from women who initiate contact with them.
[QUOTE=Night Cat]I signed up for a free account on CFF (chinesefriendfinder), and found that, while I can receive messages from women on the site, I am not allowed to open the messages and read them. Instead, I get the "Order Form." In that case, I would say that CFF is completely useless to me, unless I fork over whatever money is required to enable reading messages -- however, the Order Form does not say what option I must buy in order to be able to read messages. So, I could conceivably pay for a Gold or Silver membership and still not be able to read messages. This would not be unusual considering AFF/CFF's way of doing business. A few years ago, I had a Gold membership on AFF, and then they tried to sell me an extra service option called "Allow Standard Contacts," that cost extra, to allow Standard members to send messages to me. So, you don't necessarily get full capabilities with Gold.
I have no problem with having to pay for a subscription if that's what's required. The problem is the deceptive practice whereby they don't say clearly what membership level, or what additionally-priced option, is required to read messages from others.
I would be interested to know if anyone has a free membership on CFF and can open and read messages when other members initiate contact with them. If you have that capability, I may be curious to know if your account was originally opened as a free account on CFF, or if perhaps your capabilities were "grandfathered" over from an AFF account, or from a previous non-free account.
For now, it would appear that anyone who opens a new, free account on CFF will not be able to open and read messages from women who initiate contact with them.[/QUOTE]
I've been a CFF member since 2001, Silver Membership should be enough to contact any other members.
[QUOTE=Phil1980]I've been a CFF member since 2001, Silver Membership should be enough to contact any other members.[/QUOTE]
My question is not about being able to contact other members. I can already do that. The question is about being able to open and read the messages they send me. I cannot do that.
What I'm saying is that new accounts are being treated differently from old accounts. Yours is an old account, so what's true for you is different from what's true for me. I also had an old account (which was mysteriously disabled) and I had full two-way email capability, even without paying for Silver or Gold membership. Not so with my new account.
If there is anyone with a new account (e.g., created later than the AFF/CFF switch), please share your experience.
[QUOTE=Night Cat]
What I'm saying is that new accounts are being treated differently from old accounts. [/QUOTE]
This is possible. I have a similar problem with my QQ accounts.
I have one QQ account I opened in 2002 and I can use it without paying to look at any profiles in the QQ friendship center I want.
I also have a second account, opened in 2004, because I had exceeded the 500 members you can add to your QQ and so couldn't add any new girls. With this account I can't view profiles anymore without first paying a monthly QQ fee. So when I want to look at profiles of girls I log in to both my QQ accounts simultaneously and use the old one for looking up profiles.
I can’t tell ya how to get higher ratios for dates – bedded, 'you figure that one out. But here are a few good to know things.
I have 4 profiles there, I’ve worked that site hard over 4 years. All are free & all able to send the 10 winks & / or messages a day & read any I get in return. The newest is 1. 5 years old, oldest over 4, never been a paid member.
My buddy just opened a free account a couple days ago, (07/10/03) after an hour and a half, they approved him & he’s been getting & receiving messages without troubles as well as all other site stated free things.
All of these have been opened with China being the country profile person resides in.
Now they enforce the No email / phone number until the third message policy.
-if you’re getting messages sent to your bulk box & once ya open them, they have an explanation about the site policy, but nothing from the sender, it means she put her email or phone number in it.
-The bot checks for keywords, chat, email, phone, com, mobile, yahoo, MSN & so on. Then deletes the message, either from her or you if you put those words in a sent message she was unable to read. 'Check your bulk folder to see who you may have missed
Their HTML chat program won’t let you put in email or outside contact in either, there you can do it separate sends; me – send – at – send – wherever – send..com – send.
You can save to draft any messages over 10 a day, then to send it 24 hours later, open it, copy it, open her profile & paste your message in a new message box. If you try sending a draft, it says it costs you 200 points.
I’ve noticed profiles saying they can’t send because of non-paying status & wondered about it.
They give points & short time silver member status for putting up more pics of yerselfs. I’ve never knowingly done anything with the points.
Change your profile in little ways once a week & you’ll be put on top of the new members list, changing your main photo works great. Do this when not expecting many lookers as it may take up to a day to get approved.
Change your "living in" city / province once in a while & you’ll get a whole new batch of fems looking & sending pre-interview type messages.
Save profile names that gave you contact info in a separate document if possible so when they delete the message after 30 days you can still contact her if ever nearby, and so you later know who LinnaGZ is on your mobile phone. This also works great for remembering little details for future messages months later.
Like another member wrote, it’s good to write up a letter that can be tweaked a little for each fem to send to many, once you find one that works, your reply ratio gets pretty good.
Chinese women love it if a man will travel to see Her! (spends money to get there) They gotta be traditional & also always have that hope to "catch" you, so very often, you’re not getting it the first night.
But if you’re a foreigner, you Are an animal with an unquenchable thirst for da kine, so you Have To [I]at least[/I] ask And let her turn you down or she will think you may not love her. (if sex was prearranged, 'go for it)
Be patient & wait till morning.
She’ll be there to pick you up for the days plans. That’s when you get what ya come for, specially the 35 & up.
So. Look at cities a couple hour bus, train or short flight away & book two nights if possible.
Many cannot say no to an offered plane ticket around China, are/t tickets can be found for fair prices.
The profiles stating they Only look for a husband & that type are quiet possible for affairs, many will do what is needed when they can to "change you", "be the one" or "catch" a good husband. But beware of the headaches that often follow these women.
Many, Many women there use paid translators!
Often, it’s a young girl with fair English, possibly working for a middle aged women charging for the service and sending a lot of letters to men hoping for replies that need translating. Often, the lady paying will get tired of replying to many men & tell the translator to just 'find me a husband. So think about some of the replies & wonder who wrote them, relatively small % of 30+ year old women know English very well throughout China.
Another friend does well writing women & telling them he has friends back home interested in a Chinese wife & he wants to take her to dinner (as a gentleman) to see if she might be the one fate brought.
Try to see her on cam before meeting, often they don’t look quite like you thought. On cam, "want me to help you" means show.
My very bad guy profile only shows me who has winked or hot listed me, possibly cause it may be said that I’ve sent some pretty bad things to many fems, doesn’t show all the lookers, the other profiles show me. But this profile shows me which fems are naughty or not, I (unknowing to her) work the ones with positive responses to very naughty letters a month or so later with my other profile.
My college girl profile allows me to get email addresses from naughty supposed bi or gay fems.
My real profile needs changing, not as productive as it should be lately.
My near real profile has been keeping me face as wet as I choose.
A/CFF been betty betty good to me
I write this report will All respect to the lovely women in China. I truly love them & in person treat them as the people they are.
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Hello Friends. I have a friend who wants to bring his Filapina to the US. After almost 2 years of trying to arrange a fiance visa, which for some reason has gone nowhere, he is now trying to get her a tourist visa. His story is this; she knows someone who is somehow connected to, or has connections with, the US Embassy. For $1200 this agent can arrange for her to get a tourist visa. Also, she must have a minimum of $2000 in her bank account.
My friend has already been sending her money every month for the past two years, and now this.
I have warned him that she might be scamming him and this could be another scam, but he says "I want to marry her and how can I get her a visa to the US if I don't trust her"?
This guy doesn't have much money and dealing with this has already been financially difficult for him.
He said he will marry her as soon as she arrives and then she will be able to stay. I told him I think she will have to leave when the tourist visa expires.
Is it possible that she can get a tourist visa for $1200? She is just another typical filapina without a higher education or special skills.
Also, if she arrives in the US on a tourist visa, can he then quickly marry her and keep her in the US legally?
Please keep your replies polite and remember my friend may be reading your answers.
Thanks.
For the same money and less, why don't your friend just fly over there and marry her? See what her attitude is then. Now she's locked into him and he into her.
Now it may take just as long (if not longer, not as a fiancee) to get a Visa, but now you're, eh, I mean your friend is one step closer to his goal.
Good luck Santa.
Bill
[QUOTE=Santa]Hello Friends. I have a friend who wants to bring his Filapina to the US. After almost 2 years of trying to arrange a fiance visa, which for some reason has gone nowhere, he is now trying to get her a tourist visa. His story is this; she knows someone who is somehow connected to, or has connections with, the US Embassy. For $1200 this agent can arrange for her to get a tourist visa. Also, she must have a minimum of $2000 in her bank account.
My friend has already been sending her money every month for the past two years, and now this.
I have warned him that she might be scamming him and this could be another scam, but he says "I want to marry her and how can I get her a visa to the US if I don't trust her"?
This guy doesn't have much money and dealing with this has already been financially difficult for him.
He said he will marry her as soon as she arrives and then she will be able to stay. I told him I think she will have to leave when the tourist visa expires.
Is it possible that she can get a tourist visa for $1200? She is just another typical filapina without a higher education or special skills.
Also, if she arrives in the US on a tourist visa, can he then quickly marry her and keep her in the US legally?
Please keep your replies polite and remember my friend may be reading your answers.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Santa]Hello Friends. I have a friend who wants to bring his Filapina to the US. After almost 2 years of trying to arrange a fiance visa, which for some reason has gone nowhere, he is now trying to get her a tourist visa. His story is this; she knows someone who is somehow connected to, or has connections with, the US Embassy. For $1200 this agent can arrange for her to get a tourist visa. Also, she must have a minimum of $2000 in her bank account.
My friend has already been sending her money every month for the past two years, and now this.
I have warned him that she might be scamming him and this could be another scam, but he says "I want to marry her and how can I get her a visa to the US if I don't trust her"?
This guy doesn't have much money and dealing with this has already been financially difficult for him.
He said he will marry her as soon as she arrives and then she will be able to stay. I told him I think she will have to leave when the tourist visa expires.
Is it possible that she can get a tourist visa for $1200? She is just another typical filapina without a higher education or special skills.
Also, if she arrives in the US on a tourist visa, can he then quickly marry her and keep her in the US legally?
Please keep your replies polite and remember my friend may be reading your answers.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]
I think there are many experts in the Philippine thread who may be able to advice your friend. Two years is a long time and all that time, your friend may have been a soft target.
It sounds a lot of money to get a tourist visa. I think your friend may have been scammed.
[QUOTE=Hainanien]I can’t tell ya how to get higher ratios for dates – bedded, 'you figure that one out. But here are a few good to know things.
I have 4 profiles there, I’ve worked that site hard over 4 years. All are free & all able to send the 10 winks & / or messages a day & read any I get in return. The newest is 1. 5 years old, oldest over 4, never been a paid member.
[size=-2][b][u][/QUOTE]Great report! Well detailed with lots of valuable info. I tried to send you a PM. I have some more questions for you about my account and how to improve on my fishing. Keywords to use, you can reach me at [blue][Email address deleted by Admin][/blue]
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[QUOTE=Santa]My friend has already been sending her money every month for the past two years.[/QUOTE]What a [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue].
Generally I wouldn't recommend marrying an Asian woman who wants ANY money from you in advance. Just imagine what it's going to be like after marriage.
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[QUOTE=Santa]Hello Friends. I have a friend who wants to bring his Filapina to the US. After almost 2 years of trying to arrange a fiance visa, which for some reason has gone nowhere, he is now trying to get her a tourist visa. His story is this; she knows someone who is somehow connected to, or has connections with, the US Embassy. For $1200 this agent can arrange for her to get a tourist visa. Also, she must have a minimum of $2000 in her bank account.
Also, if she arrives in the US on a tourist visa, can he then quickly marry her and keep her in the US legally?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]
No, it is illegal to marry someone who comes over on a tourist visa, they are supposed to return to their home country then reapply for a K-1 or K-3 Visa. Your buddy could get in a lot of trouble if they find out his intended purposes and at the least draw a red flag.
If he is so sincere about marrying her, tell him to do the Fiancee Visa (K-1), when she gets to the states, he has 90 days to marry her. I think within 3 months he can tell if she is scamming him or not. This would also kind of make her "shit or get off the pot", because if she gets over there and tries to scam him within 90 days, all he has to do is wave the magic deportation wand and she will be sent home.
-CPE
Thanks for your excellent posts. If my friend does not learn from them maybe other readers will.
I also posted my questions on the Philippines General Info forum and there were some very good posts.
Santa,
There is a big sign in front of the US Consulate office in GZ where visas are processed that basically says that no individual or company has any "relationship" or "connection" with the U. S. Government regarding visa applications. And, as far as I have been told by friends working in the visa section, all the companies ("agents") with offices nearby claiming otherwise are just scams. If you cannot get a visa on your own merits, they cannot help other than to fill in the forms. The visa officers are not stupid. They have seen every possible angle imaginable. And, the risk is too high for them to mess around.
For tourist visas, they are looking for a reason for the applicant to return. A steady job. A spouse and children here. Money in the bank should have been accumulated over time.
Having said all that, a fiance visa should work especially if they have a record of communication for 2 years; photos, letters, emails, phone calls, etc.
Just my POV.
OAH
[QUOTE=Santa]Thanks for your excellent posts. If my friend does not learn from them maybe other readers will.
I also posted my questions on the Philippines General Info forum and there were some very good posts.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]Santa,
There is a big sign in front of the US Consulate office in GZ where visas are processed that basically says that no individual or company has any "relationship" or "connection" with the U.S. government regarding visa applications. And, as far as I have been told by friends working in the visa section, all the companies ("agents") with offices nearby claiming otherwise are just scams. If you cannot get a visa on your own merits, they cannot help other than to fill in the forms. The visa officers are not stupid. They have seen every possible angle imaginable. And, the risk is too high for them to mess around.
For tourist visas, they are looking for a reason for the applicant to return. A steady job. A spouse and children here. Money in the bank should have been accumulated over time.
Having said all that, a fiance visa should work especially if they have a record of communication for 2 years; photos, letters, emails, phone calls, etc.
Just my POV.
OAH[/QUOTE]
To add to OAH's informative post, I've worked and talked extensively with people in the visa section of the US Consulate in GZ and the best way to sum up their point of view is "guilty until proven innocent". Applicants have the burden to make a case why they SHOULDN'T get rejected, instead of why they SHOULD get a visa.
And there is no realistic way to bribe your way into a visa because the system is too decentralized to bribe the proper people in China AND the in US to get it approved smoothly. You'd have a better chance with human traffickers physically smuggling a person to the US vs. a bought visa.
J
[QUOTE=CPExpat]No, it is illegal to marry someone who comes over on a tourist visa, they are supposed to return to their home country then reapply for a K-1 or K-3 Visa. Your buddy could get in a lot of trouble if they find out his intended purposes and at the least draw a red flag.
-CPE[/QUOTE]Not wanting to contradict CPExpat entirely, though i know that one can get married on a visit visa, or a student visa. The key is intent: if you enter on a visit visa to marry that is fraud, but if you enter to visit or study and later change your mind to get married that is legal. Of course if you come on a visit visa and a week later you are married, that will raise flags! After marriage then you have to file for an adjustment of status.
Helpful article:
[url]http://immigration.about.com/b/a/256068[/url]
I am staying in a hotel in the Wangfujing area and need advice on finding female companionship while here. Where are the best places, approaches, etc. and what do I beed to be careful of.
Thanks
[QUOTE=Zarenasnow]I am staying in a hotel in the Wangfujing area and need advice on finding female companionship while here. Where are the best places, approaches, etc. and what do I beed to be careful of.
Thanks[/QUOTE]
Go downstairs to conceirge, tip the guy RM1000 and ask him to send up someone.
Your other option is to RTFF....good luck ;)
Cpexpat,
Hi there,
The Canton Fair is comming up this weekend and would like to get some advice while in GZ, near the East train Station (with a big park & waterfall and near he tallest bldng in GZ).- also, be near th Garden Hotel in the afternoons. Looking for some classy, classy ones,
GFE is a plus, . College, is perfect too. Anything you could ist for me? Would you let me know. Thanks
Hello,
right now I talked to a bar girl via MSN messenger. She informed me that in many major Chinese cities there are hidden cameras installed on the streets. She was referring specifically to the Gongbei District of Zhuhai city. Anybody got any infos on that?
[QUOTE=Phil1980]Hello,
right now I talked to a bar girl via MSN messenger. She informed me that in many major Chinese cities there are hidden cameras installed on the streets. She was referring specifically to the Gongbei District of Zhuhai city. Anybody got any infos on that?[/QUOTE]
A few weeks ago there was a big story about it in the business section of the NY Times. The companies involved are using western financing.
There are now thousands of white poles being installed in Shenzhen and the cameras will soon follow. Eventually the cameras will be installed in every chinese city. It includes a sophisticated "crowd assemble" detection system.
This is just the beginning. Big Brother is watching YOU!
[QUOTE=Phil1980]Hello,
right now I talked to a bar girl via MSN messenger. She informed me that in many major Chinese cities there are hidden cameras installed on the streets. She was referring specifically to the Gongbei District of Zhuhai city. Anybody got any infos on that?[/QUOTE]
Possible scenarios:
Cameras are already stolen
Wires to the cameras are stolen
Cameras are not connected to any monitor
Personal in the control rooms prefer to watch soap on TV
Personal in the control room either out for lunch or sleeping
Personal in the control room does not know how to record
Personal in the control room does not know how to view recordings
At that point I wouldn't worry too much.
[QUOTE=Phil1980]Hello,
right now I talked to a bar girl via MSN messenger. She informed me that in many major Chinese cities there are hidden cameras installed on the streets. She was referring specifically to the Gongbei District of Zhuhai city. Anybody got any infos on that?[/QUOTE]Nothing new here. It is not well know but quite current in many North American cities in certain streets.
[quote=santa]a few weeks ago there was a big story about it in the business section of the ny times. the companies involved are using western financing.
there are now thousands of white poles being installed in shenzhen and the cameras will soon follow. eventually the cameras will be installed in every chinese city. it includes a sophisticated "crowd assemble" detection system.
this is just the beginning. big brother is watching you![/quote]
as you know santa , the uk has cameras and i have never heard on tv any negative comments on it. but china is not the uk. i do know that beijing is nervous about "crowd assembly" . so i think the cameras would be used for this.
anyone who is nervous about these cameras being used for prostitution , i think govt officials should worry the most. they are the biggest users of prostitution in china. i just don't think they want to do anything about the prostitution business.
my question: my ex gf from nanning ask me for 900 rmb a year ago because she told me the cameras caught her going thru red lights and speeding. this would tell me that guangxi and guandong already have cameras. i did not beleive her and i did not send her the money. anyone have info on cameras for traffic control ? these would be very complicated cameras only because the traffic in these two areas are total fucking chaos. thanks
take care and be safe.
tile man
tile man4:
most of the new highways and big city intersections have cameras installed. speeding is 200rmb, red lights, 500rmb. other offence fines vary. they just send you the citation in the mail and you have to go with your driver's license to pay the fine. i already got 2 speeding and 1 red light, but i asked somebody else to use their license to pay the fines for me.
oah
[quote=tile man4]
my question: my ex gf from nanning ask me for 900 rmb a year ago because she told me the cameras caught her going thru red lights and speeding. this would tell me that guangxi and guandong already have cameras. i did not beleive her and i did not send her the money. anyone have info on cameras for traffic control ? these would be very complicated cameras only because the traffic in these two areas are total fucking chaos. thanks
take care and be safe.
tile man[/quote]
OldChinaHand is correct. My drivers has said this many times.
Re Shenzen Cameras: these are being coupled with face recognition software to look for persons of interest coming from Hong Kong according to a similar report in the IHT.
[QUOTE=Tile Man4]Anyone who is nervous about these cameras being used for prostitution , I think Govt officials should worry the most. They are the biggest users of prostitution in China. I just don't think they want to do anything about the prostitution business.
tile man[/QUOTE]
Many of the city villages I have been in to checkout BBS's have had cameras in place for quite sometime in Shenzhen. I was with Race Track once in CP (Yalan Area) and a police van came by, opened a side window, out popped a big camera and then the window shut and the van continued on. I didn't have a xiaojie in tow, but Race Track had a young cutie.
-CPE
Some of you may remember me from the SZ forum. I haven't posted much because I have nothing useful to add and was sometimes ridiculed for my opinions and knowledge, but who cares, I'm a big boy, and I still read the threads.
I have a question about SZ hotels-and here's the go. Some may remember that I have a little penfriend who I speak to via email/chat etc. She is the one I wanted to bring to Aus, but her parents won't let her go as they haven't a clue where Australia is, and don't understand my motives. Anyway, my wife and I are going to Singapore, Macau, HK and China next year-just 2 days in China, and I have offered to fly my friend's parents down from deepest rural China to SZ, to spend a day with us at a few attractions, so we can meet them and they can see what we are like, and hopefully let their daughter come to Australia the following year to study English. Before any of you sick bastards start again, she's not an unattractive girl, but not exactly the kind of girl one would use one's wife and her parents to shag, so this is genuine. We never had kids, for one reason or another, and her parents are the same age as us. I want to help this girl, not fuck her.
So, we all have to stay at a hotel in SZ, plus my friend's friend, who wants to meet my wife too. Last time I was there, the girls paid for their own room at the hotel I was at, and although it was pretty shit ( Golden Luster I think in Lohu), they were amazed as it was the first time they had ever stayed in a hotel. The shower was a novelty to them, and having seen their accommodation in the factory where they work, I am not surprised.
Her parents are just ordinary working people, and I am going to pay for them to stay in a hotel overnight, along with the rest of us. Money is an option, but let's face it, hotels in China are pretty good value compared to Aus etc. The questions I have to ask are thus:
How far upmarket should I go? My wife and I want something fairly decent, but at what level does the added luxury cease to mean anything for Chinese people? That sounds awfully condesending, but you know, 3 star, 4 star, what's the difference?
Bearing that in mind, any recommendations? I have done plenty of searches and don't mind spending up to 60USD/night/room, especially because the USD is almost =to the AU$ at the moment.
All the hotels I checked out look fine, but as we all know, in reality sometimes what you see is not what you get. So guys, please, any ideas?
Cheers
Pete
[QUOTE=Petemcc]Some of you may remember me from the SZ forum. I haven't posted much because I have nothing useful to add and was sometimes ridiculed for my opinions and knowledge, but who cares, I'm a big boy, and I still read the threads.
I have a question about SZ hotels-and here's the go. Some may remember that I have a little penfriend who I speak to via email/chat etc. She is the one I wanted to bring to Aus, but her parents won't let her go as they haven't a clue where Australia is, and don't understand my motives. Anyway, my wife and I are going to Singapore, Macau, HK and China next year-just 2 days in China, and I have offered to fly my friend's parents down from deepest rural China to SZ, to spend a day with us at a few attractions, so we can meet them and they can see what we are like, and hopefully let their daughter come to Australia the following year to study English. Before any of you sick bastards start again, she's not an unattractive girl, but not exactly the kind of girl one would use one's wife and her parents to shag, so this is genuine. We never had kids, for one reason or another, and her parents are the same age as us. I want to help this girl, not fuck her.
So, we all have to stay at a hotel in SZ, plus my friend's friend, who wants to meet my wife too. Last time I was there, the girls paid for their own room at the hotel I was at, and although it was pretty shit ( Golden Luster I think in Lohu), they were amazed as it was the first time they had ever stayed in a hotel. The shower was a novelty to them, and having seen their accommodation in the factory where they work, I am not surprised.
Her parents are just ordinary working people, and I am going to pay for them to stay in a hotel overnight, along with the rest of us. Money is an option, but let's face it, hotels in China are pretty good value compared to Aus etc. The questions I have to ask are thus:
How far upmarket should I go? My wife and I want something fairly decent, but at what level does the added luxury cease to mean anything for Chinese people? That sounds awfully condesending, but you know, 3 star, 4 star, what's the difference?
Bearing that in mind, any recommendations? I have done plenty of searches and don't mind spending up to 60USD/night/room, especially because the USD is almost =to the AU$ at the moment.
All the hotels I checked out look fine, but as we all know, in reality sometimes what you see is not what you get. So guys, please, any ideas?
Cheers
Pete[/QUOTE]
If you don't give a shit about KTV, restaurant or any of the other nice things, then just find a 3 or 4 star. Contact via PM and I can tell you my corporate rate at a few hotels in town from 5 Star to 3 Star.
-CPE
[QUOTE=Petemcc]
Before any of you sick bastards start again, she's not an unattractive girl,
I want to help this girl, not fuck her.
Pete[/QUOTE]
But this IS the fucking "let's fuck'em" forum. If you don't want to fuck her I'm sure CPexpat will do it for you. Or, give us her contact info and we'll all have a go.
Santa the Sicko. :D
[QUOTE=Santa]But this IS the fucking "let's fuck'em" forum. If you don't want to fuck her I'm sure CPexpat will do it for you. Or, give us her contact info and we'll all have a go.
Santa the Sicko. :D[/QUOTE]
Santa. You are a sick and twisted man. Were it not for the fact that I may require your guiding services in southern China some day, I would publically chastise you for your sick and perverted comments. It would be a cold day in hell if I provided you with her contact info-she is out of bounds OK!!!
Hi,
I know I shouldn't be asking such questions but I couldn't find a site so active for English speaking communities. There's thats bj and cityweekend but not really a forum type.
So, anyone willing to help me out?
I need to hire fairly priced English speaking Chinese.
[QUOTE=Geon64]Hi,
I know I shouldn't be asking such questions but I couldn't find a site so active for English speaking communities. There's thats bj and cityweekend but not really a forum type.
So, anyone willing to help me out?
I need to hire fairly priced English speaking Chinese.[/QUOTE]
Your post is too general , do you need translator for work , monger , travel or what? Is bj blowjob or Beijing? Many of us would be happy to help you. Tell wat you need.
tile man
[quote=tile man4]as you know santa, the uk has cameras and i have never heard on tv any negative comments on it. but china is not the uk. i do know that beijing is nervous about "crowd assembly". so i think the cameras would be used for this.
anyone who is nervous about these cameras being used for prostitution, i think govt officials should worry the most. they are the biggest users of prostitution in china. i just don't think they want to do anything about the prostitution business.
take care and be safe.
tile man[/quote]there are all kinds of traffic camera in china. i have been driving in shanghai. suzhou and area for 5 years now. infact if you look closely on the licence plates between the two letters. after the chinese character designating where the car is from you will see a small silver disc. this disc is a chip and can be tracked at any highway tool booth. it is used to help focus the camera and record the licence (invented by sony) i was stopped at a toll gate on highway g318 (west of shanghai) and shown a picture of my car on the a1 highway to pudong airport. i had broken the speed limit. only 10 km over so only 100 rmb.
your gf telling you she need 900 rmb for running a red light is false. the fine is 200 rmb and you pay on the spot. (ihave had to pay 2 already) other chinese friends have confirmed this too.
i have been in university campases where the cameras can spot you anywhere on campus. i have seen the massive control rooms. with dozens of monitors an guards sitting at them. they claim they canot see you in the dormitory but i would not bet on that.
if you are worried about the cameras the safest place is to use the service provided by the hotel. i have an apartment in shanghai but hesitate to bring them back here. i do not wnat them to know the location of my residence. could become a bothersome factor.
i have found that the hotel 169. on wuning lu and wuding lu to be very girl friendly. they have a good massage parlour on the 3rd floor. room service is 650 rmb and i have had some 8 and 9's one i had in particular. she is gone now (ling ling)- would love to find her again. phone is out of service too. suspect she went back to her hometown. but she could do a bbbjcim in your mouth like no other. she would first start with a tongue massage over your whole body including a great rim job, and then prodeed with a bbbjcim or fs.
enjoy shanghai and do not woryy too much about cameras unless you drive!
Assuming that for bj you mean BeiJing, you may try [url]http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/[/url]
Anyhow, you have already joined the most active forum for english speaking community about China: i.e. ISG !!!
Otherwise, tell what type of "english speaking chinese" you look for.
[QUOTE=Geon64]Hi,
I know I shouldn't be asking such questions but I couldn't find a site so active for English speaking communities. There's thats bj and cityweekend but not really a forum type.
So, anyone willing to help me out?
I need to hire fairly priced English speaking Chinese.[/QUOTE]
Just a caution to you guys who wants to purchase a property in Guangzhou.
Do not trust any property agents and more importantly check before signing any contracts.
I was conned 4000Y more in agent fees because I did not check carefully and signed the contract.
Hi Folks!
I am reading up on china here as I will be transferred to Shanghai for 6 months next March.
All indications to money here are in RMB? What is the exchange rate to EURO?
What are the goinh rates for sex services - long time and short time in the shanghai area?
Anybody have experience in Hong Kong too?
Thanks,
Rob
[QUOTE=Robnbg1981]Hi Folks!
I am reading up on china here as I will be transferred to Shanghai for 6 months next March.
All indications to money here are in RMB? What is the exchange rate to EURO?
What are the goinh rates for sex services - long time and short time in the shanghai area?
Anybody have experience in Hong Kong too?
Thanks,
Rob[/QUOTE]Rob,
I have 2 back account in china one in shenzhen and one in HK for 6 month saving is paying about 3.8% not as good as US bank ,RMB currency is the best investment right now 6 yr ago is 9 rmb to 1 USD now is 7.4 to 1 usd they forcast in another 6 yr 5.8 rmb to 1 usd dollar is going down fast even the canadian dollar is now stronger , you need to RTFF to find mongering info in Shanghai .
Fast eddie 48
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Originally Posted by Fuzimiao
CFF is AFF! I use my AFF login no problem, emails with contact details seem to be automatically picked out and flushed down the drain. But where there's a will, there's a way, to slip the message across. FZ
Yeah, AFF/CFF will drop you like a bad habit if you offer contact info before you have sent at least 2 messages. They even post a warning about it if you read on the girls profile.
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A lot of useful info on this forum if you search AFF/CFF in photo thread and/or Shanghai thread. Some in RODs also.
ES
In order to know exchange rates you may go to [url]http://www.xe.com/ucc/[/url]
There you find all exchange rates, in case you decide to visit some other mongering destination.
As far as prices, normally all amounts mentioned here are in local currency, i.e. RMB. In order to understand what is price level for different mongering opportunities, I strongly suggest you read Shanghai thread.
[QUOTE=Robnbg1981]Hi Folks!
I am reading up on china here as I will be transferred to Shanghai for 6 months next March.
All indications to money here are in RMB? What is the exchange rate to EURO?
What are the goinh rates for sex services - long time and short time in the shanghai area?
Anybody have experience in Hong Kong too?
Thanks,
Rob[/QUOTE]
Rob,
Look at [url]http://www.oanda.com/[/url] where you will find exchange rates in the menu under FXConverter
You can print a sheet to put in your wallet, look in the menu under: FXCheatSheet
Good luck
[QUOTE=Robnbg1981]Hi Folks!
I am reading up on china here as I will be transferred to Shanghai for 6 months next March.
All indications to money here are in RMB? What is the exchange rate to EURO?
What are the goinh rates for sex services - long time and short time in the shanghai area?
Anybody have experience in Hong Kong too?
Thanks,
Rob[/QUOTE]
I just read this profile for a late 30's laowai in Shanghai. Gutsy profile but he has a stable of 8s and 9s in his "friends list".
Just FYI for those who are considering this method.
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Profile for Mr XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
wild / daring out spoken white guy in Shanghai.. I have the playboy look attitude and lifestyle..Im single so why not have fun until what I want appears in my life.. dosnt mean Im looking for a one night fling either,, a play boy can play with out being naughty all the time ;),,so if your the type that dosnt like my style as a single guy "the fun outgoing fun loving Playboy type" then please do yourself a favor and dont waste your time writing,,Im very commited and loyal to those who can capture my attention .. Im not the type that has braggs our boast about myself Ive very transparent,, I have many long term friends both male and female,, Stable, well educated and traveled,,Im looking for good friends, lovers and or long term depending upon the chemistry we can spark up,, not into games, rather direct and blunt,, very confident and to most Chinese they think its arrogant,, but there is a differene between being secure & confident and being arrogant,,
My Ideal Person:
outgoing, pet lover as I have a naughty dog ;)must of learned from his master hehe ;) free spirtied and for sure open minded.. would preferr that she lives alone or with friends and out of control of her family, not into playing family games or having my life restricted by the chinese mom and dads,, if you live at home you had better be in control of your life and tell your family what u are going to do insted of being told by them ,,
Ted C. Fishman’s China Inc. is a fascinating look at the new China. It touches briefly on mongering. It seems Chinese men don’t like using condoms, at least when out mongering. This might be a boon for those wanting bareback FS, but obviously risks are involved. Reportedly there are close to a million HIV positive Chinese (out of perhaps 1.6 billion). There is also a Baby Boom among sex workers. In the City of Shenzen alone there were 520,000 out of wedlock children under 20 born to “working women” and mistresses in 2001. And China has between 100 and 160 cities with populations of over a million. There must be millions of providers. I may have to look into airfare prices.
Double Nickle
[QUOTE=Robnbg1981]Hi Folks!
I am reading up on china here as I will be transferred to Shanghai for 6 months next March.
All indications to money here are in RMB? What is the exchange rate to EURO? Thanks,
Rob[/QUOTE]
The quickest and still quite accurate way to evaluate RMB costs into € is calculating approx 11% of the RMB for the € cost.
It is not scientifically correct as you need approx 91/92RMB to make 10€ but you will get an idea [rule of thumb]
Do not forget that a strict comparison TMB/€ migh mislead you as, in theory, local prices (of anything) should be much cheaper than the same product back home. Again not a rule, but a guidance, as it also depends on the product.
I am pretty sure after a short time (not meaning a ST! lol) you will think in RMB and forget the exchange rate, unless you feel being cheated, such as being asked 3000 RMB for a LT :)
[QUOTE=Bionicman]The quickest and still quite accurate way to evaluate RMB costs into € is ...
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The quickest way is still to go to Google, and type in something like "exchange rate, currency" as the search criteria, and then do your own search. I am amazed that people are that lazy to do their own work, even more amazed at people who are actually willing to help out such lazy bastards.
Try [url]www.xe.com[/url]. It does currency cross-rates (also for exotic currencies) and is short to type.
Probably it is because you only have got One Eye, but I posted same website reference just 5 posts below yours !
Don't take it bad personally. This just proves even Senior Members do not RTFF, so we cannot insult lazy newcomers anymore.
[QUOTE=One Eyed Man]Try [url]www.xe.com[/url]. It does currency cross-rates (also for exotic currencies) and is short to type.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Wadman]The quickest way is still to go to Google, and type in something like "exchange rate, currency" as the search criteria, and then do your own search. I am amazed that people are that lazy to do their own work, even more amazed at people who are actually willing to help out such lazy bastards.[/QUOTE]
The quickest way is to go to google.com and type in "eur in rmb" (without the parentheses) or "eur in usd" or "usd in rmb" or e.g. "usd in krw" for Korean Won or "usd in jpy" for Japanese Yen. You can repeat this trick for any number of major currencies, rates are updated by Google on a daily basis. Just don't forget to not type the parentheses, just type eur in usd.
Here is an article I found...
China is in the news again for making unsafe products.
According to news reports in and out of China, used condoms are being recycled into hair bands in southern China, threatening to spread sexually-transmittable diseases (STDs) they were originally meant to prevent.
No company was named in the article as the manufacturer, but a government official said recycling condoms is illegal in China.
The rubber hair bands and hair ties were found in local markets and beauty salons in the cities of Dongguan and Guangzhou in China's southern Guangdong province.
One of China's news agencies reported that the cheap and coloful rubber bands and hair braids made from the used condoms were selling well -- a bag of ten of them sell for 25 fen, which is equivalent to about 3 cents in the U.S. -- but they pose a genuine threat to the health of those using them because, despite being recycled, the used condom bands and ties could still contain bacteria and viruses.
"People could be infected with AIDS, (genital) warts or other diseases if they hold the rubber bands or strings in their mouths while weaving their hair into plaits or buns," according to a local dermatologist whose surname, appropriately enough in this context, was Dong.
With millions of toys being recalled in the U.S. and elsewhere for lead paint and other health-threatening problems, toothpaste being recalled, etc., China's manufacturing industy has been having a well-earned tough time.
China's authorities did a good job on the recycled condoms thing by quickly acting to take them out of circulation before they spread to more Chinese cities and before they found overseas markets. It is beginning to look as though China is serious about strengthening is monitoring systems, but the government still has a long way to go before overseas businesses and consumers regain confidence in its products.
[QUOTE=Yankee 617]Here is an article I found...
China is in the news again for making unsafe products.
According to news reports in and out of China, used condoms are being recycled into hair bands in southern China, threatening to spread sexually-transmittable diseases (STDs) they were originally meant to prevent.
No company was named in the article as the manufacturer, but a government official said recycling condoms is illegal in China.
The rubber hair bands and hair ties were found in local markets and beauty salons in the cities of Dongguan and Guangzhou in China's southern Guangdong province.
One of China's news agencies reported that the cheap and coloful rubber bands and hair braids made from the used condoms were selling well -- a bag of ten of them sell for 25 fen, which is equivalent to about 3 cents in the U.S. -- but they pose a genuine threat to the health of those using them because, despite being recycled, the used condom bands and ties could still contain bacteria and viruses.
"People could be infected with AIDS, (genital) warts or other diseases if they hold the rubber bands or strings in their mouths while weaving their hair into plaits or buns," according to a local dermatologist whose surname, appropriately enough in this context, was Dong.
With millions of toys being recalled in the U.S. and elsewhere for lead paint and other health-threatening problems, toothpaste being recalled, etc., China's manufacturing industy has been having a well-earned tough time.
China's authorities did a good job on the recycled condoms thing by quickly acting to take them out of circulation before they spread to more Chinese cities and before they found overseas markets. It is beginning to look as though China is serious about strengthening is monitoring systems, but the government still has a long way to go before overseas businesses and consumers regain confidence in its products.[/QUOTE]
I would love to know who and how they collect these little hair braids. I always did flush mine down the WC. Seeing that China only process about 5% of its shit , I wonder how they do this. I hope they don't make some poor guy sort through thie shit everyday.
take care and be safe.
tile man
Been there done it.
Guys, please play it safe at all times and do not give in to temptation. A couple of times which I did not play it safe, the b*t*h made me sweat really hard for a few days that I decided not to do it again.
It one of the threads under China, one of the guys provided detailed information about the pill for ‘morning after’. Even a picture of what the pack looks like, I copied it, printed it, and carry it with me at all times. If I put myself in a compromising situation, I pull out the copy I have, add money to it and send her on her way the very next day.
I'm looking to possibly take a particularly fabulous freebie on a vacation overseas.
Do you guys know what are some of the countries (besides Thailand) that are 'relatively' easier for Chinese to visit, especially if it means getting a visa just by them self? I'm open to anywhere besides the Americas for the trip. Thanks.
LG
My understanding is that when obtaining a Chinese passport, it would be for a specific destination. It will not be an open passport that would allow you to become a traveler, even with visas. If I am wrong on this, please someone correct me.
I keep reading posts that remind me of myself as recently as last year. Yes, thought about it, looked into it, followed up, and finally decides that no, that was not for me. I realized that taking one of these cuties traveling with you could be a lot of fun but she will be your sole responsibility. God forbid something happened, if something went wrong, how about if she decided to show the other side of her, half a world away, etc. To be honest, some of the cuties I have been with who have been absolutely very lovely, sexy, playful, ……. have been most clumsy. Yes, not only you have to pick and clean after them, which I happily oblige, but you may not leave them alone in a crowd other that, what they are used to. You have to hold on to her hand constantly, even in a Chinese crowd, she’ll be looking helplessly for you to go and rescue her.
My advice is that a long weekend, a week long, in one the local or near tourist’s attractions would do. Believe it or not, the Chinese have not seen or experience most of their own country yet so why go so far and when she is happy, you would be happy. One other thing, what is she going to do about her diet, ... poor gal, she’ll blow up from constipation.
[QUOTE=LittleGoomba]I'm looking to possible take a particularly fabulous freebie on a vacation overseas.
Do you guys know what are some of the countries (besides Thailand) that are 'relatively' easier for Chinese to visit, especially if it means getting a visa just by them self? I'm open to anywhere besides the Americas for the trip. Thanks.
LG[/QUOTE]
It is quite easy to get visa to Malaysia and Singapore too if she is from one of the big cities like Shanghai, Beijing and Guangzhou. Hong Kong and Macau are other alternatives.
GE
The Chinese can now get passports easily, but must be all done at their home town. However, they can only travel to "Approved Destinations" by the government and in nearly all cases that will involve Visa's and organised travel in groups. There are some exceptions whereby they can travel without groups, notably Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore and I think Indonesia. But this is China and what applies today will be different tomorrow and then probably back dated.
[QUOTE=World Traveler]My understanding is that when obtaining a Chinese passport, it would be for a specific destination. It will not be an open passport that would allow you to become a traveler, even with visas. If I am wrong on this, please someone correct me.
I keep reading posts that remind me of myself as recently as last year. Yes, thought about it, looked into it, followed up, and finally decides that no, that was not for me. I realized that taking one of these cuties traveling with you could be a lot of fun but she will be your sole responsibility. God forbid something happened, if something went wrong, how about if she decided to show the other side of her, half a world away, etc. To be honest, some of the cuties I have been with who have been absolutely very lovely, sexy, playful, ……. have been most clumsy. Yes, not only you have to pick and clean after them, which I happily oblige, but you may not leave them alone in a crowd other that, what they are used to. You have to hold on to her hand constantly, even in a Chinese crowd, she’ll be looking helplessly for you to go and rescue her.
My advice is that a long weekend, a week long, in one the local or near tourist’s attractions would do. Believe it or not, the Chinese have not seen or experience most of their own country yet so why go so far and when she is happy, you would be happy. One other thing, what is she going to do about her diet, ... poor gal, she’ll blow up from constipation.[/QUOTE]
Chinese passports are not dedicated to a single destination, so as long as you can get a visa you're good to go. As reported below Thailand, Malaysia and Singapore are pretty ease, and most any travel agent can get a visa in a day or two. Austrailia and Europe are much more difficult, requiring letters of invitation, bank reports (usually 50,000 RMB on deposit for at least six months), interviews, etc. Ireland is probably the easiest visa to obtain in Europe, but still will require most of the above. Of course some countries will just not allow unmarried females to visit. America is by far the hardest visa to obtain.
For mainland Chinese to visit HK and Macau they must have a special travel permit (looks much like a passport, but is different). These are easier to obtain, especially if you have some guanxi. Most businesses can obtain a certain number of HK permits, depending on how much tax they pay.
I say "go for it". It's fantastic to travel with the proper companion.
Vietnam is high on many Chinese travelers list these days too, an easy visa for them to get.
If a Chinese wants to visit a big country in their future, having been to the easy ones And returning to Chinawill help get approved. An empty passport is hard to put a visa in.
What Furias said.
He covers the "obtain visa on herself" part quite well. I'd pick Thailand.
Now, supposedly, this country is all about face. Wouldn't it rate more face, apart from being the chivalrous thing, that he HELPS her getting the visa? Would cement his laowei status, and dispel ideas on her part that she could get the thing by herself.
In the "obtain visa with your help" dept., the easiest is to carry her passport to the travel bureau :)
Obtaining the coveted Schengen Visa (covering most of the civilized parts of Europe) is not THAT complicated if you have (or work for) a European company, preferably one that has a presence in China. The process requires a letter of invitation to the fair maiden, and a letter to the Embassy of the respective European country, in which the inviting company assures that they will bear all costs (travel, lodging) and assume responsibility. The Chinese lady will need a letter from her current employer, setting her free for the duration of the trip, and health insurance (coverage usually being peddled outside of EU embassies in Beijing.) You need to be sure that she will return, if she won't, your company pays. No bank deposits needed. Schengen carries a lot of face. And a trip to Venice, Rome, Paris would sweep the little rascal off her pretty feet.
Highest in the face dept would be the US visa. LittleGoomba rules that out, and it's most likely not the price of the ticket that stops him. As mentioned, America is pretty much off-limits for unmarried females of the Chinese persuasion. Even marrying a US citizen doesn't assure instant admission, there are horror stories about lawfully wedded couples having to wait for years ...
In any case, make sure that the visa application is not denied. Being denied once pretty much closes access to that country forever.
[QUOTE=Furias]Chinese passports are not dedicated to a single destination, so as long as you can get a visa you're good to go. As reported below Thailand, Malaysia and Singapore are pretty ease, and most any travel agent can get a visa in a day or two. Austrailia and Europe are much more difficult, requiring letters of invitation, bank reports (usually 50,000 RMB on deposit for at least six months), interviews, etc. Ireland is probably the easiest visa to obtain in Europe, but still will require most of the above. Of course some countries will just not allow unmarried females to visit. America is by far the hardest visa to obtain.
For mainland Chinese to visit HK and Macau they must have a special travel permit (looks much like a passport, but is different). These are easier to obtain, especially if you have some guanxi. Most businesses can obtain a certain number of HK permits, depending on how much tax they pay.
I say "go for it". It's fantastic to travel with the proper companion.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hainanien]If a Chinese wants to visit a big country in their future, having been to the easy ones And returning to Chinawill help get approved. An empty passport is hard to put a visa in.[/QUOTE]This suggestion might need a little asterisk. Although logically speaking, proving that you return on time from another country gives an impression that you're trustworthy. However, going to a country that is not 'economically' on par to your own doesn't exactly speak much. Ie. The grass is definitely not greener on that side.
Fact: I have a Chinese colleague whose been to at least eight different countries, many of them in europe, and stayed in cananda for 6mos with a student visa. Each time she returned on schedule. She then applied to visit good ol' u. S. Of a and got denied all three times.
So filling your passport with stamps doesn't necessarily help much, plus it is not even on the suggestions from the US immigration folks. So just stick to the guidelines and just pray, pray like hell!
Hey bros
You guys are working me up real well, I am not used to posting often but, this board has been very good to me, I don’t mind.
For more info on the morning after pill check posts dated 07-25-05, 01-16-06, and more of 2002-2006 Archives. Useful information but please do not put yourself in a compromising situation where you may fell apart like a rookie! After all, you are hobbying international, aren’t you? Act like one please.
Happy hunting and give me leads on new frontiers to open for you guys.
[QUOTE=Qball] She then applied to visit good ol' u. S. Of a and got denied all three times.
So filling your passport with stamps doesn't necessarily help much, plus it is not even on the suggestions from the US immigration folks. So just stick to the guidelines and just pray, pray like hell![/QUOTE]
Praying will not work. According to friends in the visa section of the U.S. Consulate in GZ, they are still denying 90% of visa applications after 9/11. The "risk of no return" is too high for a visa officer to take any chances. An applicant only gets 2 minutes to make their case, hardly enough to even say "Hello", "My name is". They process 1,000+ applications a day. Unfortunately, after the first denial, it can become more difficult. Contrary to popular opinion, they keep records of the denials. On the other hand, if you manage to get the first visa and return, subsequent applications are much easier.
Just my POV.
OAH
[QUOTE=World Traveler]
For more info on the morning after pill check posts dated 07-25-05, 01-16-06, and more of 2002-2006 Archives. Useful information but please do not put yourself in a compromising situation where you may fell apart like a rookie! After all, you are hobbying international, aren’t you? Act like one please.[/QUOTE]
So thats what it looks like....should keep a stash in my hotel room
have had occasion to use it, or rather the girl to use it. Deflowing a virgin is never an easy job; but had to do it and do it right....
she went and bought the pills herself later ;-)
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]Praying will not work. According to friends in the visa section of the U.S. Consulate in GZ, they are still denying 90% of visa applications after 9/11. The "risk of no return" is too high for a visa officer to take any chances. An applicant only gets 2 minutes to make their case, hardly enough to even say "Hello", "My name is". They process 1,000+ applications a day. Unfortunately, after the first denial, it can become more difficult. Contrary to popular opinion, they keep records of the denials. On the other hand, if you manage to get the first visa and return, subsequent applications are much easier.
Just my POV.
OAH[/QUOTE]
I asked a school mate who has retired from the U.S. Diplomatic Corp, and who used to be one of these front line guys handling Visa applications how he determines who to accept and who to reject. His answer - Gut feeling and his instincts first and foremost. Documentation, proof, letters etc are basic - but always subject to suspicion as they've come across too many of them to put trust in.
First tip off for him - if an applicant is too eager, talk too much without being prompted. 2nd the general demeanour of applicant and how agitated/nervous AND how dressed! 3rd - overly reliant on a single or couple letters or documents. 4th how the applicant reacts to/reply on certain standard questions that he had devised himself. And last and foremost - his gut feeling again
SE Asia Joe
Alot of great info being passed along on this board, all of which is going to help me make a more informed decision about where to travel.
The face thing isn't really a big issue in this case. This freebie is as close to an unofficial girlfriend that I have and since she's in my equal (and surpasses me) in more things than I care to admit, she couldn't give a rat's ass about being impressed. We just enjoy each other's company.
So why I did bring it up in the first place? It's ME who is sick of vacationing in country!!! So if I can rest my bones in a nice exotic locale for a few weeks and invite a good friend and lover along to boot with a minimum of fuss...sounds like a winning plan, eh?
At this point I'm leaning towards Singapore, Cheju Island (Korea), or Bali.
[QUOTE=Zhuren]What Furias said.
Highest in the face dept would be the US visa. LittleGoomba rules that out, and it's most likely not the price of the ticket that stops him. As mentioned, America is pretty much off-limits for unmarried females of the Chinese persuasion. Even marrying a US citizen doesn't assure instant admission, there are horror stories about lawfully wedded couples having to wait for years ...
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[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe] Documentation, proof, letters etc are basic - but always subject to suspicion as they've come across too many of them to put trust in.
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Spot on! My friend told me about a case where an applicant had an official acceptance letter from Princeton University and applied for a student visa. He denied the visa and asked the applicant to request Princeton University to send the letter directly to the Consulate before she applies again. This is the only way he can be sure the letter is legit. She was successful the second time.
OAH
Guys, I have a very good friend here in China. She's young, single, owns no home, works for herself, and... is dying. The doctors here have given her about 10 to 12 more months. Her condition is terminal, but she is not contagious or any danger to those around here. Before she is gone she would love a chance to visit the U.S. one time. Based on the rejection rate of the applicants, should she even try? Does she have any chance? If she was to bring her medical reports to the consulate, would they have any bearing on the issuance of a visa? Thank you!
[QUOTE=Scorpio33]Guys, I have a very good friend here in China. She's young, single, owns no home, works for herself, and... is dying. The doctors here have given her about 10 to 12 more months. Her condition is terminal, but she is not contagious or any danger to those around here. Before she is gone she would love a chance to visit the U.S. one time. Based on the rejection rate of the applicants, should she even try? Does she have any chance? If she was to bring her medical reports to the consulate, would they have any bearing on the issuance of a visa? Thank you![/QUOTE]
Her chances are approaching zero. No need to expose herself to additional stress in her condition.
I heard that you can leave a $5000 deposit to get a visa (deposit returned when the visa holder returns). Contact the U.S. consulate in Beijing and explain the situation.
CJW
[QUOTE=Scorpio33]Guys, I have a very good friend here in China. She's young, single, owns no home, works for herself, and... is dying. The doctors here have given her about 10 to 12 more months. Her condition is terminal, but she is not contagious or any danger to those around here. Before she is gone she would love a chance to visit the U.S. one time. Based on the rejection rate of the applicants, should she even try? Does she have any chance? If she was to bring her medical reports to the consulate, would they have any bearing on the issuance of a visa? Thank you![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Scorpio33]Guys, I have a very good friend here in China. She's young, single, owns no home, works for herself, and... is dying. The doctors here have given her about 10 to 12 more months. Her condition is terminal, but she is not contagious or any danger to those around here. Before she is gone she would love a chance to visit the U.S. one time. Based on the rejection rate of the applicants, should she even try? Does she have any chance? If she was to bring her medical reports to the consulate, would they have any bearing on the issuance of a visa? Thank you![/QUOTE]Unfortunately I would agree that her chances are zero. I haven't heard anything about posting a $5000 bond for a visa, and there's nothing on the US govt. Web site about this being a part of the visa process. Letters of invitation are helpful, but only a small part of the US visa process. Likewise the guarantee of a US citizen doesn't help much (if any). The main thing the embassy/consulate is looking for is wealth/family ties in China that will certainly guarantee the return of the individual. A car is usually not enough. Sometimes even a family and home is not enough. One mainland factory owner I know (married, with kids and wife here in China) tried three times before they gave him a visa. As we have mentioned as an unmarried female her chances are really less than zero. Maybe you could just get her into Mexico and come across like every other factory worker in California.
It's too bad that this tourist visa process is so screwed up. A guarantee from a US citizen should be enough.
One other thing about the pill is that it would make the woman miserable for a few days. I think about five days, to the woman, it is like having her period three, five times stronger, the older she is, the stronger reaction. You do not want to be there to watch her suffering that much because you keep feeling guilty because you were the reason for that.
Next time I may have one on me. Why keep a copy of what it looks like when I could have it for that reasonable price.
Could someone volunteer to read the instructions on the pack in Chinese and translate that for the rest of us please? It would be greatly appreciated.
B*ss*ove, that was good news.
I will be backpacking/mongering throughout asia for a year. I'd like to stay at least a month or two in China or Mongolia. Which country is best for mongering? My daily budget is only $80 a day, so I need to get some cheap sex like the locals get. I can be a tough negotiator and I will have the time to search for pussy, so I think it can be done.
I'm thinking about mongolia because mongolia is poorer so I guess that means pussy should be slightly cheaper, right? I'm kind of worried that pussy will cost too much in China. So I need to look at other options.
[QUOTE=Cheap Meat]I will be backpacking/mongering throughout asia for a year. I'd like to stay at least a month or two in China or Mongolia. Which country is best for mongering? My daily budget is only $80 a day, so I need to get some cheap sex like the locals get. I can be a tough negotiator and I will have the time to search for pussy, so I think it can be done.
I'm thinking about mongolia because mongolia is poorer so I guess that means pussy should be slightly cheaper, right? I'm kind of worried that pussy will cost too much in China. So I need to look at other options.[/QUOTE]
You should spend more time in the Mongolian grassland. Lots of cheap pussies there. Sometime they even give you free warm milk.
[QUOTE=Crazy Jim Wood]I heard that you can leave a $5000 deposit to get a visa (deposit returned when the visa holder returns). Contact the U.S. consulate in Beijing and explain the situation.
CJW[/QUOTE]
First, there is no US Consulate in Beijing, there's an Embassy.
Second, they haven't heard of the bond.
Third, this issue may have come up because there are organized travel groups / tours. Getting the visa is part of the service. If a tour member bails/stays while abroad, the travel agency can close their business, because they will never ever get another visa application through. So the agency often requests a bond. The bond depends on individual circumstances, attachable assets at home etc. But I have heard amounts between 10000 and 50000 Euros (which gives you an idea of the real market value of a visa.) There are millionaire factory owners who's only chance of getting a visa is one of those tours. And they can afford forfeiting the bond ....
Once, while in Europe, a girl I knew from Beijing (rich snotty parents) called me and said she's in-country. She was on one of those "15 countries in 5 days" tours. I picked her up at the hotel, showed here around, and delivered her back. In the meantime, she was reported as "missing," and the tour guide nearly suffered a heart attack.
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Man fired for buying sex in China
Published: 20th November 2007 08:51 CET
A man who was sacked after being arrested for buying sex from two prostitutes while on a business trip to China is taking his former employer to court with the support of his union.
The man, who worked for a large Swedish technology company, was held in a Chinese prison for 15 days after the arrest, Metro reports. His company was forced to fly a replacement to China.
The man, who had worked at the company for 33 years was later sacked. The firm claimed that the episode had damaged its "century-old reputation."
The man is now suing his employer in the Swedish Labour Court. He is supported by his union, IF Metall, which claims that the man was not arrested in the course of his work, and there were therefore no grounds for his dismissal.
The union is also critical of the company for not investigating whether it was possible to move him within the firm.
There is no such bond. If there were, every rich Chinese person and their brother would post it and then never return. Tour companies do, however, post some kind of bond with the U.S. consulate/embassy, although it's much, much higher than $5000.
There IS a U.S. consulate in Beijing, the two are just not distinguished in terms of location. The consulate handles visas and that kind of stuff, the embassy handles U.S. relations with China and U.S. interests in China. They occupy the same basic set of buildings.
Some comments NOT referring to tourist visas, but rather longer term visas for work and such. Also it is hearsay as I have not gone through the process myself. My understanding is that if you make a USD 100k investment in the U.S. and/or create employment for over 5 people, then you can get a visa that can eventually be turned into a green card. A friend negotiated this through a lawyer and not personally at an embassy. Back in '97, there were many HK residents scared of the handover that did this in the US, Canada and Australia. Anyway, probably not relevant to the original question so I'll stop. Cheers.
[QUOTE=Intransit]There is no such bond. If there were, every rich Chinese person and their brother would post it and then never return. Tour companies do, however, post some kind of bond with the U.S. consulate/embassy, although it's much, much higher than $5000.[/QUOTE]
Hey guys,
I read through the FF, but no info on hotels.
I have stayed in great hotels in Changping and Zhu Hai with the bedroom having full view into the bathroom as the wall is glass. Awesome mongering locations and less than 300RMB per night.
Can anyone recommend a similar hotel in Harbin?
Failing that I am wondering the best area to look for hotels, if anyone has a good local knowledge on this it would be great. Basically the most lively area would be perfect.
Any info is greatly, greatly appreciated!!!
Thanks!
BL
Yo Black,
Don't you know it's like..... negative 30 degrees up there in Harbin right now??? You're gonna have to get a couple girls every night just to keep from freezing to death in your sleep..... As for hotels, you're probably looking for something in the Nangang area. Someone told me the Jinghu Hotel is very nice, but I've never been there so can't say for sure.
[QUOTE=Cheap Meat]I will be backpacking/mongering throughout asia for a year. I'd like to stay at least a month or two in China or Mongolia. Which country is best for mongering? My daily budget is only $80 a day, so I need to get some cheap sex like the locals get. I can be a tough negotiator and I will have the time to search for pussy, so I think it can be done.
I'm thinking about mongolia because mongolia is poorer so I guess that means pussy should be slightly cheaper, right? I'm kind of worried that pussy will cost too much in China. So I need to look at other options.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, go to Mongolia, you might luck out and get some freebies over there.
[QUOTE=Manfest]Some comments NOT referring to tourist visas, but rather longer term visas for work and such. Also it is hearsay as I have not gone through the process myself. My understanding is that if you make a USD 100k investment in the U.S. and/or create employment for over 5 people, then you can get a visa that can eventually be turned into a green card. A friend negotiated this through a lawyer and not personally at an embassy. Back in '97, there were many HK residents scared of the handover that did this in the US, Canada and Australia. Anyway, probably not relevant to the original question so I'll stop. Cheers.[/QUOTE]Manfest,
I think manfest and Intransit is correct there are no such tourist visa , I think someone have Hong kong SAR and the US mix up , there are a buiness visa allow mainlander to start a bussines in HK with a large investment not US.
Fast eddie 48
[QUOTE=Scorpio33]Guys, I have a very good friend here in China. She's young, single, owns no home, works for herself, and... is dying. The doctors here have given her about 10 to 12 more months. Her condition is terminal, but she is not contagious or any danger to those around here. Before she is gone she would love a chance to visit the U.S. one time. Based on the rejection rate of the applicants, should she even try? Does she have any chance? If she was to bring her medical reports to the consulate, would they have any bearing on the issuance of a visa? Thank you![/QUOTE]What Condi Rice is afraid of is that your friend may want to STAY in the US. Perhaps she should try a combination of actions, based on the useful comments you have already received here from others:
First, marry someone in China. Then she will not be a risk to marry someone in the US and become an ongoing problem for Condi!
Second, join an organized tour group for her trip to the US. Then the tour group leader will be expected to help Condi get your friend safely back to China!
If this plan is successful, I wish your friend a very good trip, and hope that the US will be as good for her as many people in China imagine it will be! And best of luck to you, Scorpio.
[url]http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-11/22/content_7129221.htm[/url]
BEIJING, Nov. 22 (Xinhua) -- About 38 million Chinese are carrying the hepatitis C virus (HCV), but public understanding of the disease is low, said the China Foundation for Hepatitis Prevention and Control (CFHPC) here on Thursday.
The incidence of hepatitis C has surged in the past few years, said a CFHPC report.
The disease was identified in 1989, and research found that a majority of its infections became chronic and led to liver disorders, including cancer.
The Ministry of Health said early this month that hepatitis C was one of China's top five deadly epidemics.
But the public is not well informed about the disease, the CFHPC said, citing its latest survey that indicated only 1 percent of the respondents were aware of how HCV spreads and how to prevent it. Only 5 percent have had a test for HCV.
No HCV vaccine is available, yet 80 percent of those surveyed believed that they could be protected against hepatitis C by a vaccine, the report said.
Although the virus can be eradicated or controlled in the early stages of the disease through proper therapy, about 30 percent of those surveyed said there was no cure for hepatitis C.
Many also confused hepatitis C with hepatitis B, the CFHPC report said.
Clinical research in China and abroad showed that 70 percent of the HVC carriers could be cured if diagnosed at an early stage, the report said. "The whole society should work to improve the public awareness of HCV so that the carriers could be diagnosed and treated as early as possible."
The CFHPC suggested that the government tighten controls on blood products and expand HVC testing.
HCV usually spreads through contact with infected blood, sex with an infected person or from mother to baby during childbirth.
Found this news item...
BEIJING, China -- Fire department officials in China have been doused by authorities.
The authorities have banned fire department officials from receiving sexual favors as bribes from companies seeking their business. They were also banned from letting their spouses and children run fire-fighting companies and market fire-fighting products. It is part of China's on-going anti-corruption drive outlined in a notice posted on the Public Security ministry's Web site.
Apart from taking cash and "other valuables," the order forbade officials from receiving "cheap or free house renovations," "having children entered into schools" and "receiving sexual services" provided by third parties. Authorities refer to these as the "Four Strictly Forbiddens".
"For every 10 corrupt officials, nine are involved in illicit sex," according to official Chinese news reports.
Based on a friend's recommendation, I picked up and tried these pills. Good effect that lasted 12+ hours, and similar side effects to Viagra (stuffy nose). There were two square tins in this rectangular tin, each contained 8 pills (so 16 tablets in total) for RMB 100. Not bad.
[QUOTE=Manfest]Based on a friend's recommendation, I picked up and tried these pills. Good effect that lasted 12+ hours, and similar side effects to Viagra (stuffy nose). There were two square tins in this rectangular tin, each contained 8 pills (so 16 tablets in total) for RMB 100. Not bad.[/QUOTE]Where is possible to buy?
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[quote=xmen6900]where is possible to buy?
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i bought it in szn at a pharmacy in dongmen. unfortunately i don't have the exact name or address of the place, but it was off a side street near the corner of dongmen and shennan. in addition, there are plenty of pharamcies rep001tered around the city, many should have this brand as it is somewhat popular, needs independent verification. also, i've seen it at the pharmacies in the lcc, but that area has too many fakes to make me comfortable.
What if an American employer has a job for a Chinese person and is willing to sponsor that person, does that make it easier to bring a Chinese person in to the U.S.?
Is there any way to get your favorite squeeze into the U.S. short of marrying her?
CJW
[QUOTE=Crazy Jim Wood]Is there any way to get your favorite squeeze into the U.S. short of marrying her?[/QUOTE]
I remember there used to be a "fiancee visa" before, you could look into that.
[QUOTE=Ragnarok42]I remember there used to be a "fiancee visa" before, you could look into that.[/QUOTE]
Wish it were that easy, "fiance" is supposed to be a prelude to marriage, if you don't get married she get's sent back to China and may not be able to ever come back to the U.S. If you dont intend to marry it is really not going to help I don't think.
Really off-topic but anyone know latest on launch, pricing and availability of China's version of the iPhone?
[QUOTE=Crazy Jim Wood]What if an American employer has a job for a Chinese person and is willing to sponsor that person, does that make it easier to bring a Chinese person in to the U.S.?
CJW[/QUOTE]
Many years ago it was a very common practice but now I think it is very difficult. I think if she is a high ranking scientist or something then it is possible. The American employer would have to proove that an american employee cannot be found for that job. If she is a famous artist for example, then an american equivalent cannot be substituted.
That said, I know very little about immigration.
I think the chinese restaurants in the US bring in illegal employees for a set price per person. Not certain about that. Those chinese buffets always have new girls who cannot speak english, so how did they get visas?
US immigration policy gives priority to blood relations. I think priority should be given to the best educated and most talented. Any foreign student who earns a legitamate PhD from a good unversity should be given a greencard.
[QUOTE=Santa]Many years ago it was a very common practice but now I think it is very difficult. I think if she is a high ranking scientist or something then it is possible. The American employer would have to proove that an american employee cannot be found for that job. If she is a famous artist for example, then an american equivalent cannot be substituted.
That said, I know very little about immigration.
I think the chinese restaurants in the US bring in illegal employees for a set price per person. Not certain about that. Those chinese buffets always have new girls who cannot speak english, so how did they get visas?[/QUOTE]
Santa
Here is an idea. Bring the girl in to visit the consul general and have her take off all her clothes and tell the consul that you cannot find such a fine piece of ass in the US, you must import you own bedwarmer so that you can be a productive American. Tell the consul that most American females are over 200#s and cannot match this piece of fine ass. I am sure that the consul will agreed and will grant her a visa to come to the US and keep your bed warm all night long. Tell him that you do not understand a word of chinese so that you cannot really listen to her if she begins to *****..***** ... *****.
I keep reading about finding women at bbs. what is that?
[QUOTE=IamLookin]I keep reading about finding women at bbs. what is that?[/QUOTE]
BBS stands for Barbershop. These usually consist of 2 or 3 girls sitting on a sofa or chairs inside where obviously you dont get your hair cut. At least not the hair at the top of your head and not with scissors.
The services range from HJ to FS depending. They also range from no smell to open sewer but are never very well decorated. Usually used by local Chinese so not too pricy. I have been able to meet some truly stunning girls there before, but sadly not in Beijing.
[QUOTE=IamLookin]I keep reading about finding women at bbs. what is that?[/QUOTE]
Click on the link at the top of your browser titled "Abbreviations".
OAH
[QUOTE=Ragnarok42]BBS stands for Barbershop. These usually consist of 2 or 3 girls sitting on a sofa or chairs inside where obviously you dont get your hair cut. At least not the hair at the top of your head and not with scissors.
The services range from HJ to FS depending. They also range from no smell to open sewer but are never very well decorated. Usually used by local Chinese so not too pricy. I have been able to meet some truly stunning girls there before, but sadly not in Beijing.[/QUOTE]
So, if a Barbershop is not really a barbershop, what would one call a facility if they wanted to get an actual haircut? Why does Barbershop have the acronym BBS instead of BS or just plain B? Are we to assume that it should be like Bar-Be-Que or Bar-Ber-Shop? Now, you might have to follow up explaining what a HJ and FS is or are.
Seems a Senior Member with 96 posts would know his way around the forums by now.
-ChangPingExpat
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Really off-topic but anyone know latest on launch, pricing and availability of China's version of the iPhone?[/QUOTE]Apple has decided not to launch in China next year, although their plans do call for an Asian rollout of the iphone in 2008. Probably will be available in Japan and South Korea by next Summer.
You can buy unlocked US iphones in the stores here for around $700 USD, or there are some really shoddy knockoffs for about $150, but don't expect them to work like the real iphone.
I have my iphone in China, but I don't use it that much. Instead I make my local calls on a Sony Ericsson K550i that I picked up in Mong Kok for about $150 USD and just use my iphone when I need to make a brief but necessary call to the US. The iphone is a great ipod, and I love watching movies and listening to music when I ride the subway or take the ferry to HK
[QUOTE=Crazy Jim Wood]What if an American employer has a job for a Chinese person and is willing to sponsor that person, does that make it easier to bring a Chinese person in to the U.S.?
Is there any way to get your favorite squeeze into the U.S. short of marrying her?
CJW[/QUOTE]Sorry but that will not work. The decision to grant US Visas is solely at the discression of the US Embassy and Consolate officials, and they love to say "NO". The chances of an unmarried Chinese female getting a US Visa are less than you winning the lottery. IF, she had a few hundred thousand in the bank in China, and IF she owned a factory or two on the mainland, and IF you wrote a ton of letters she might have a 20% chance of getting a Visa. Of course this is a long process and usually requires foreign travel to several destinations before being granted a US Visa. It took me six months and a ton of letters of invitation to get my Chinese business partner a US Visa, and he was a Hong Kong guy with a family here in SZ. Finally on his third try they gave him a Visa. If he had been my GF there is no way they would have ever said "yes".
The finance visa still works, but you must get married within I believe 60 days of entering the US. If you're planning to marry a Chinese girl this is probably the best route, as you can immediately apply for a temporary green card.
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Really off-topic but anyone know latest on launch, pricing and availability of China's version of the iPhone?[/QUOTE]
It's a moving target. Right now, looks like May 2008 with a pricing around 4000RMB for the 16GB.
I've been eyeing it too, but I'm thinking about giving up and getting a Dopod P860 (HTC Touch Cruise). Plus, I'm wary of a Chinese company's first foray into high end tech devices.
[QUOTE=Harmsuploe]It's a moving target. Right now, looks like May 2008 with a pricing around 4000RMB for the 16GB.
I've been eyeing it too, but I'm thinking about giving up and getting a Dopod P860 (HTC Touch Cruise). Plus, I'm wary of a Chinese company's first foray into high end tech devices.[/QUOTE]
Thanks...guess need to be patient.
HTC touch (and touch cruise) are nice but not interested in Win CE OS. I've purchased other chinese made/designed phones and they're fine. This one is break-through product - so maybe will wait to see reviews, etc.
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Up-to-date information on safety and security can also be obtained by calling 1-888-407-4747 toll free in the U.S. and Canada, or for callers outside the U.S. and Canada, a regular toll-line at 1-202-501-4444. These numbers are available from 8:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. Eastern Time, Monday through Friday (except U.S. federal holidays).
The Department of State urges American citizens to take responsibility for their own personal security while traveling overseas. For general information about appropriate measures travelers can take to protect themselves in an overseas environment, see the Department of State’s pamphlet A Safe Trip Abroad.
CRIME: China has a low crime rate. Pickpockets target tourists at sightseeing destinations, open-air markets, airports, and in stores, often with the complicity of low-paid security guards. Americans are perceived as wealthy and may be specifically targeted by petty criminals. Violence against foreigners, while rare, is on the increase. Over the past year, incidents of violence against foreigners, including sexual assaults, have taken place, usually in urban areas where bars and nightclubs are located. Robberies, sometimes at gunpoint, have occurred in western China and more recently in Beijing. There have been some reports of robberies and assaults along remote mountain highways near China’s border with Nepal. Travelers are sometimes asked by locals to exchange money at a preferential rate. It is illegal to exchange dollars for RMB except at banks, hotels, and official exchange offices. Due to the large volume of counterfeit currency in China, unofficial exchanges usually result in travelers losing their money and possibly left to face charges of breaking foreign exchange laws. If detained by police under suspicion of committing an economic crime involving currency, travelers may be delayed for weeks or months while police investigate the allegations.
Recently, there have been instances in Beijing and elsewhere of mobs in bar districts attacking foreigners. Nationalism is on the rise and disputes among Chinese citizens or between Chinese and foreigners can quickly escalate. Caution should be exercised when visiting bar districts late at night, especially on weekends. There have been reports of bar fights in which Americans have been specifically targeted due their nationality. Simple arguments can turn into mob scenes and many times have resulted in the American being detained for hours for questioning with no right to an attorney or consular officer at that stage.
Travelers should have small bills (RMB 10, 20 and 50 notes) for travel by taxi. Reports of taxi drivers using counterfeit money to make change for large bills are increasingly common, especially in Guangzhou. Arguments with taxi drivers over fares or over choice of route usually are not easily resolved on the scene. In some cases, Americans who instigate such arguments have been detained for questioning and are not usually released until the fare is paid or a settlement is reached and the American offers an apology. There has been an increase in the number of Americans falling victim to scams involving the inflation of tea and drink prices. Normally, the scam involves young people who approach English speaking tourists and ask to have a cup of tea with them to practice their English. When the bill comes for the tea, the charge has been inflated to an exorbitant amount. When the tourist complains, enforcers arrive to collect the money. A similar scam involves buying drinks for young women at local bars.
Throughout China, women outside hotels in tourist districts frequently use the prospect of companionship or sex to lure foreign men to isolated locations where accomplices are waiting for the purpose of robbery. Travelers should not allow themselves to be driven to bars or an individual's home unless they know the person making the offer. Hotel guests should refuse to open their room doors to anyone they do not know personally.
Recently, American visitors have encountered scams at the international airports in China whereby individuals appearing to work for the airport offer to take American tourists’ bags to the departure area, but instead they carry the bags to another area and insist that the visitor pay an airport tax. Travelers should be advised that the airport tax is now included in the price of the airline ticket. The airport police or security officers should be contacted if this happens.
The U.S. Embassy is aware of reports that airport thefts and robberies of travelers in China are on the rise, specifically in the domestic airports of Beijing, Zhengzhou, Shenyang, Dalian, Qingdao and Taiyuan. Additionally, some Americans report that they have been the victims of robberies while in their hotel rooms in tourist areas and some have been assaulted during these robberies.
American visitors to China should carry their passports with them out of reach of pickpockets. Americans with Chinese residence permits (juliuzheng) should carry these documents, and leave their passports in a secure location except when traveling. All Americans are encouraged to make photocopies of their passport bio-data pages and Chinese visas and to keep these in a separate, secure location, and to register with the nearest U.S. Embassy or Consulate General. (See “Registration/Embassy Location” information below).
In many countries around the world, counterfeit and pirated goods are widely available. Transactions involving such products may be illegal under local law. In addition, bringing them back to the United States may result in forfeitures and/or fines. More information on this serious problem is available at [url]http://www.cybercrime.gov/18usc2320.htm[/url].
INFORMATION FOR VICTIMS OF CRIME: The loss or theft abroad of a U.S. passport should be reported immediately to the local police and the nearest U.S. Embassy or Consulate. If you are the victim of a crime while overseas, in addition to reporting to local police, please contact the nearest U.S. Embassy or Consulate for assistance. The Embassy/Consulate staff can, for example, assist you to find appropriate medical care, contact family members or friends and explain how funds could be transferred. Although the investigation and prosecution of the crime is solely the responsibility of local authorities, consular officers can help you to understand the local criminal justice process and to find an attorney if needed.
See our information on Victims of Crime.
ENGLISH TEACHERS/SECONDARY SCHOOL TEACHERS: Many Americans have enjoyed their teaching experience in China; others have encountered significant problems. Prospective teachers are encouraged to read the Teaching in China Guide on Embassy Beijing’s American Citizen Services web site at [url]http://beijing.usembassy-china.org.cn/teach.html[/url]. To assist the embassy in providing up to date information to prospective teachers, Americans experiencing problems should inform the Embassy by contacting the American Citizens Services Unit at telephone (86) (10) 6532-3431 or via e-mail at [email]AmCitBeijing@state.gov[/email].
MEDICAL FACILITIES AND HEALTH INFORMATION: The standards of medical care in China are not equivalent to those in the United States. Medical facilities with international staffs are available in Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou and a few other large cities. Many other hospitals in major Chinese cities have so-called VIP wards (gaogan bingfang). These feature reasonably up-to-date laboratory and imaging facilities. The physicians in these centers are generally well-trained. Most VIP wards also provide medical services to foreigners and have English-speaking doctors and nurses. Most hospitals in China will not accept medical insurance from the United States, with the exception of the following hospitals, which are on the BlueCross BlueShield’s worldwide network providers - overseas network hospitals’ list ([url]http://www.bcbs.com/bluecardworldwide/index.html[/url]): Hong Kong Adventist Hospital, Beijing United Family Hospital, Beijing Friendship Hospital, International Medical Center in Beijing, and Peking Union Medical Center. Travelers will be asked to post a deposit prior to admission to cover the expected cost of treatment. Hospitals in major cities may accept credit cards for payment. Even in the VIP/foreigner wards of major hospitals, however, American patients have frequently encountered difficulty due to cultural, language, and regulatory differences. Physicians and hospitals have sometimes refused to supply American patients with complete copies of their Chinese hospital medical records, including laboratory test results, scans, and x-rays.
Note: Travelers should note that commonly used American medication is generally not available in China. Medications that bear the same or similar name to prescription medication from the United States are not always the same.
Ambulances do not carry sophisticated medical equipment. Injured or seriously ill Americans may be required to take taxis or other immediately available vehicles to the nearest major hospital rather than waiting for ambulances to arrive. Generally, in rural areas, only rudimentary medical facilities are available, often with poorly trained medical personnel who have little medical equipment and medications. Rural clinics are often reluctant to accept responsibility for treating foreigners, even in emergency situations.
SOS International, Ltd., operates modern medical and dental clinics and provides medical evacuation and medical escort services in Beijing, Nanjing, Tianjin and Shekou, as well as 24hr Alarm Centers in Beijing and Shanghai. Through clinics in Beijing (24 hours), Tianjin, Nanjing and Shekou, SOS offers international standard family practice services, emergency medical services and a range of clinical services.
For medical emergencies anywhere in mainland China, Americans can call the SOS International, Ltd., 24-hour "Alarm Center" in Beijing at telephone: (86)(10) 6462-9100 or in Shanghai at: (86)(21) 5298-9538 for advice and referrals to local facilities. SOS International “Alarm Centers” can also be contacted in Hong Kong at telephone: (852) 2428-9900 and in the United States at: (215) 245-4707. For a full list of SOS locations and phone numbers, consult the SOS web site at [url]http://www.internationalsos.com[/url].
BEIJING
Bayley & Jackson Beijing Medical Center
#7 Ritan Dong Lu, Chaoyang District, Beijing 100020
(86) (10) 8562-9998 Fax: (86) (10) 8561-4866
email: [email]info@bjhealthcare.com[/email]
Web site: [url]www.bjhealthcare.com[/url]
Beijing United Family Hospital and Clinics
#2 Jiang Tai Lu, Chaoyang District, Beijing 100016
(86) (10) 6433-3960 Fax: (86) (10) 6433-3963
Emergency Hotline: (86) (10) 6433-2345
Web site: [url]www.unitedfamilyhospitals.com[/url]
Beijing United Family Clinic — Shunyi
Pinnacle Plaza, Unit # 818, Tian Zhu Real Estate Development Zone, Shunyi District, 101312
(86) (10) 8046-5432 Fax: (86) (10) 8046-4383
Peking Union Medical Hospital
1 Shuai Fu Yuan, Dong Cheng District, Beijing 100730
Tel: (86) (10) 6529-5269 (registration and information); (86) (10) 6529-5284 (24 hours); (86) (10) 6529 6114 (operator)
Modern Facilities with English speaking staff. Separate ward for foreign patients.
SHANGHAI
World Link Shanghai Clinics: Expatriate doctors and imported vaccines. Hotline: (86) (21) 6385-9990 [url]www.worldlink-shanghai.com[/url]. World Link Medical Centers located at:
Shanghai Center Medical Center
1376 Nanjing Xi Lu Suite 203
Telephone: (86) (21) 6279-7688
Hong Qiao Medical Center
2258 Hong Qiao Lu
Telephone: (86) (21) 6242-0909
Specialty Clinic
Lu Wan Hospital, 3rd Floor
170 Dan Shui Lu
Telephone: (86) (21) 6445-5999
Jin Qiao Medical & Dental Center
51 Hong Feng Lu
Pudong
Tel: (86) (21) 5032-8288
Global Health Care
This is a Hong Kong invested facility with a strong cardiac risk assessment focus and staffed by western physicians.
Shanghai Kerry Center
Room 301
1515 Nanjing West Rd
Tel: (86) (21) 5298-6339
Fudan Vision
Managed by VisionHealthOne a Singapore health care company and affiliated to Fudan Medical University. Fudan Vision is staffed by Singapore and western physicians.
Silver Tower 3 rd Floor
228 South Xizang Rd
Tel: (86) (21) 6334-3668
Shanghai United Family Hospital
1139 Xianxia Lu
Tel: (86) (21) 5133-1900
Emergency hotline: (86) (21) 5133-1999
[url]www.unitedfamilyhospitals.com[/url]
Shanghai East International Medical Center
551 South Pudong Rd
Telephone: (86) (21) 5879-999
Shanghai Mental Health Center
600 Wanping Nan Lu
Shanghai, China
Telephone (86) (21) 64387250
GlobalDoctor, Ltd., has opened clinics staffed by English-speaking doctors within the VIP wards of government-run hospitals in Chengdu, Nanjing, and Beijing. There is also a clinic in Shenyang with a 24- hour emergency assistance hotline at (86)(24) 2433-0678. GlobalDoctor can be reached by telephone from China at (86) (10) 8456-9191 or on the Internet at [url]http://www.eglobaldoctor.com[/url].
GUANGZHOU
Clinics in Guangzhou with English-Speaking Staff:
Guangzhou Can Am International Medical Center
5/F Garden Hotel 368 Huanshi Dong Lu, Guangzhou
Tel: (020) 8386-6988 (24-hour)
Global Doctor Medical Center
C1 2nd Annex, Tianyu Garden
136 Lin He Zhong Lu
Guangzhou, Guangdong, 510180
Tel: (020) 3884-1452
Mobile: 13500014119 (emergency only)
Eur Am International Medical Center
1/F North Tower, Ocean Pearl Building,
19 Huali Lu, Zhu Jiang New City, Guangzhou 510623
Tel: (020) 3759-1168; 3758-5328 (appointment)
Fax: (020) 3758-5531
Web site: [url]www.kcimc.com[/url]
Email: [email]kcimc@kcimc.com[/email]
Additional information on medical providers specializing in treating foreigners for general medical, dental and orthodontic problems are available at [url]http://beijing.usembassy-china.org.cn[/url].
Information on vaccinations and other health precautions, such as safe food and water precautions and insect bite protection, may be obtained from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s hotline for international travelers at 1-877-FYI-TRIP (1-877-394-8747) or via the CDC’s website at [url]http://wwwn.cdc.gov/travel/default.aspx[/url]. For information about outbreaks of infectious diseases abroad consult the World Health Organization’s (WHO) web site at [url]http://www.who.int/en[/url]. Further health information for travelers is available at [url]http://www.who.int/ith/en[/url].
ALTERNATIVE MEDICAL TREATMENTS: There have been increasing numbers of foreigners coming to China to receive alternative medical treatments or procedures prohibited in the United States relating specifically to stem-cell research. Any person contemplating these treatments should be fully aware of the risks of such procedures. The treatments can be dangerous and untested. The results are not guaranteed. In many instances, patients going for treatment develop secondary infections that cannot be handled by these facilities. They are transferred to hospitals for treatment and are responsible for all additional costs, including repatriation back to the United States. In some cases, these treatments have resulted in death.
MEDICAL INSURANCE: China has no public healthcare system to provide for people without insurance or money. If you become sick or injured, you will be expected to pay for your bills, sometimes even before treatment is offered.
The Department of State strongly urges Americans to consult with their medical insurance company prior to traveling abroad to confirm whether their policy applies overseas and whether it will cover emergency expenses such as a medical evacuation. Please see our information on medical insurance overseas.
TRAFFIC SAFETY AND ROAD CONDITIONS: While in a foreign country, U.S. citizens may encounter road conditions that differ significantly from those in the United States. The information below concerning China is provided for general reference only, and may not be totally accurate in a particular location or circumstance.
The rate of traffic accidents in China, including fatal accidents, is among the highest in the world. Driving etiquette in China is developing. As a result, traffic is often chaotic, and right-of-way and other courtesies are often ignored. Travelers should note that cars and buses in the wrong lanes frequently hit pedestrians and bicyclists. Pedestrians should always be careful while walking near traffic. Road/traffic conditions are generally safe if occupants of modern passenger vehicles wear seatbelts. Most traffic accident injuries involve pedestrians or cyclists who are involved in collisions or who encounter unexpected road hazards (e.g., unmarked open manholes). Foreigners with resident permits can apply for PRC driver licenses; however, liability issues often make it preferable to employ a local driver. Child safety seats are not widely available in China. Americans who wish to ride bicycles in China are urged to wear safety helmets meeting U.S. standards.
The number of American citizens involved in serious and deadly traffic accidents in Beijing is increasing. The Embassy strongly encourages travelers to exercise special caution when crossing streets in China’s cities as pedestrians do not have the right-of-way. Please note that many taxi cabs do not have functioning seatbelts for passengers.
All drivers should be aware of the Chinese regulations regarding traffic accidents. These include the requirement that drivers:
* Not move their vehicles or disturb the scene of the accident unless and until ordered to by the traffic police (in Shanghai and Beijing, the police now prefer that if the parties can reach agreement as to who was at fault they move the vehicles out of the flow of traffic.)
* Summon the traffic police and wait at the scene until the police arrive and complete their investigation.
If called to an accident, the police may take 20 minutes or longer to arrive. Once the police arrive, they will complete a preliminary investigation and arrange a time for you to report to the police station responsible for the accident scene. The police will prepare a written report, in Chinese, describing the circumstances of the accident. They will present the report to you either at the scene, or more likely at the police station, and ask you to sign it verifying the details of the accident. Do not sign the report as is unless your Chinese is good enough to completely understand the report and you find it totally accurate. If you either do not understand it or believe it is partly or wholly inaccurate, you may either:
1. Write a disclaimer on the report to the effect that you cannot read and understand the report and cannot attest to the accuracy thereof, but are signing it because of the police requirement that you do so, and then sign, or
2. Write your own version of the accident, in English, on the police form and indicate that your signature only attests to the accuracy of the English version.
Most incidents (such as an accident) will draw a crowd. Drivers should remain calm. A crowd will usually move in very close to the accident and participants. In many cases the bystanders consider themselves to be an ad hoc jury. They may call for money, usually from RMB 100 to 1,000, to be paid by the party they consider at fault. The amount is not necessarily relevant to the amount of damage. A certain amount of bargaining is normal, even at accidents involving two Chinese parties. Though a crowd may seem threatening, crowd assaults on foreigners at accidents have not been reported. If a traffic police booth is nearby, you may wish to leave the vehicle and walk there to await the arrival of the police accident team. Alternatively, you may walk to a shop, restaurant, or other location nearby in the immediate vicinity and wait for police.
Your vehicle should not leave the scene of an accident. Your actions may serve to further incite the crowd if they perceive that you are fleeing to evade responsibility for your share of blame or payment of damages. The crowd may attempt to keep your vehicle at the accident scene by standing in the way or blocking the roadway with vehicles, bicycles and other objects.
Please refer to our Road Safety page for more information. Visit the web site of the China National Tourist Bureau, the Chinese authority responsible for road safety, at [url]http://www.cnta.com/index.asp[/url].
AVIATION SAFETY OVERSIGHT: The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has assessed the Government ofChina’s Civil Aviation Authority as being in compliance with International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) aviation safety standards for oversight of China’s air carrier operations. For more information, travelers may visit the FAA’s web site at [url]http://www.faa.gov/safety/programs_initiatives/oversight/iasa[/url].
SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES: Chinese customs authorities may enforce strict regulations concerning temporary importation into or export from China of items such as antiquities, banned publications, some religious literature, or vehicles not conforming to Chinese standards. It is advisable to contact the Embassy of China in Washington or one of China’s consulates in the United States for specific information regarding customs requirements.
Some Americans report that items purchased in China and believed to be antiques or genuine gems are often later determined to be reproductions. Some travelers report that this occurs even at state-owned stores and museum stores. Travel agencies and tour guides will often escort tour groups to particular shops at which the travel agency or tour guide will share in the profit, and may claim to guarantee the “authenticity” of items sold in those shops. Travelers are warned to be vigilant when purchasing items in China.
China’s customs authorities encourage the use of an ATA (Admission Temporaire/Temporary Admission) Carnet for the temporary admission of professional equipment, commercial samples, and/or goods for exhibitions and fair purposes. ATA Carnet Headquarters, located at the U.S. Council for International Business, 1212 Avenue of the Americas, New York, NY 10036, issues and guarantees the ATA Carnet in the United States. For additional information call (212) 354-4480, send an e-mail to [email]atacarnet@uscib.org[/email], or visit [url]www.uscib.org[/url] for details.
Please see our Customs Information.
DISASTER PREPAREDNESS: The southeast coast of China is vulnerable to strong typhoons, usually from July to September. Travelers planning a trip to China can obtain general information about natural disaster preparedness on the Internet from the U.S. Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) at [url]http://www.fema.gov/[/url]. Additional information about currently active typhoons can be obtained on the University of Hawaii tropical storm page at [url]http://www.solar.ifa.hawaii.edu/Tropical/tropical.html[/url].
CRIMINAL PENALTIES: While in a foreign country, a U.S. citizen is subject to that country's laws and regulations, which, in China, differ significantly from those in the United States and do not afford the protections available to the individual under U.S. law. Penalties for breaking the law can be more severe than in the United States for similar offenses. Persons violating China’s laws, even unknowingly, may be expelled, arrested or imprisoned. Penalties for possession of, use of, or trafficking in illegal drugs in China are severe, and convicted offenders can expect long jail sentences and heavy fines. Engaging in sexual conduct with children or using or disseminating child pornography in a foreign country is a crime, prosecutable in the United States. Please see our information on Criminal Penalties.
On March 1, 2006, a new Public Security Law went into effect that gives police new powers relating to the commission of a wide range of offenses, including the authority to detain and deport foreigners. The list of offenses has been expanded to include certain religious activities and prostitution-related crimes.
Americans in China, who are not staying at hotels, including Americans who are staying with friends or relatives, must register with local police as soon as they arrive. Otherwise, they may be fined up to 500 RMB per day.
Americans who are questioned by police should immediately notify the U.S. Embassy or the nearest consulate. Foreigners detained for questioning may not be allowed to contact their national authorities until the questioning is concluded. Foreigners who are detained pending trial have often waited over a year for their trial to begin. Foreigners suspected of committing a crime are rarely granted bail. Criminal punishments, especially prison terms, are much more severe than in the United States. Persons violating the law, even unknowingly, may be expelled, arrested or imprisoned. Criminal penalties for possession, use, or trafficking of illegal drugs are strict, and convicted offenders can expect severe jail sentences and fines. Non-American foreigners have been executed for drug offenses. Several Americans currently incarcerated in China have been implicated in financial fraud schemes involving falsified bank or business documents, tax evasion schemes and assisting alien smuggling, including selling passports to provide aliens with travel documents.
In the past, protesters detained for engaging in pro-Falun Gong activities have been quickly deported from China after being questioned. Several of these protesters alleged they were physically abused during their detention. In addition, they allege that personal property, including clothing, cameras, and computers have not always been returned to them upon their deportation. Chinese authorities report that while they have deported these foreigners quickly after public demonstrations in favor of the Falun Gong, future adherents who intentionally arrive in China to protest against Chinese policy may receive longer terms of detention and possibly face prison sentences. In one instance, an American Falun Gong practitioner who was traveling in China on personal business was detained and asked to provide information on other Falun Gong sympathizers in the United States.
Several Americans have been detained and expelled for passing out non-authorized Christian literature. Sentences for distributing this material may range from three to five years imprisonment, if convicted.
CHILDREN'S ISSUES: Americans involved in child custody disputes with Chinese national spouses should be aware that Chinese courts may give preference to the Chinese citizen spouse and that Americans may encounter limited appeal opportunities under the current legal system. For information see our Office of Children’s Issues web pages on intercountry adoption and international parental child abduction.
REGISTRATION / EMBASSY LOCATION: Americans living or traveling in China are encouraged to register with the nearest U.S. Embassy or Consulate through the State Department’s travel registration web site so that they can obtain updated information on travel and security within China. Americans withoutInternet access may register directly with the nearest U.S. Embassy or Consulate. By registering, American citizens make it easier for the Embassy or Consulate to contact them in case of emergency.
Beijing: The U.S. Embassy is located at No. 2 Xiu Shui Dong Jie, Chaoyang District, Beijing. The American Citizen Services section can be reached at (86)(10) 6532-3431 (8:30-12:00 a.m. and 2:00-4:00 p.m., Mon-Fri) or after hours at (86)(10) 6532-1910. For detailed information please visit the U.S. Embassy’s web site at [url]http://beijing.usembassy-china.org.cn[/url]. The Embassy consular district includes the following provinces/regions of China: Beijing, Tianjin, Shandong, Shanxi, Inner Mongolia, Ningxia, Shaanxi, Qinghai, Xinjiang, Hebei, Henan, Hubei, Hunan, and Jiangxi.
Chengdu: The U.S. Consulate General in Chengdu is located at Number 4, Lingshiguan Road, Section 4, Renmin Nanlu, Chengdu 610041, tel. (86)(28) 8558-3992, 8555-3119, after hours (86)(28) 1370 8001 422, and email at [email]consularchengdu@state.gov[/email]. This consular district includes the following provinces/regions of China: Guizhou, Sichuan Xizang (Tibet), and Yunnan, as well as the municipality of Chongqing.
Guangzhou: The main office of the U.S. Consulate General in Guangzhou is located at Number 1 South Shamian Street, Shamian Island 200S1, Guangzhou 510133The Consular Section, including the American Citizens Services Unit, is now located at 5th Floor, Tianyu Garden (II phase), 136-146 Lin He Zhong Lu, Tianhe District, tel. (86) (20) 8518-7605; after hours (86) (20) 8121-6077, and email [email]GuangzhouACS@state.gov[/email]. This consular district includes the following provinces/regions of China: Guangdong, Guangxi, Hainan, and Fujian.
Shanghai: The Consular Section of the U.S. Consulate General in Shanghai is located in the Westgate Mall, 8 th Floor, 1038 Nanjing Xi Lu, Shanghai 200031; tel. (86)(21) 3217-4650, ext. 2102, 2013, or 2134, after hours (86)(21) 6433-3936; email [email]shanghaiacs@state.gov[/email] This consular district includes the following provinces/regions of China: Shanghai, Anhui, Jiangsu and Zhejiang.
Shenyang: The U.S. Consulate General in Shenyang is located at No. 52, 14 th Wei Road, Heping District, Shenyang 110003; tel. (86)(24) 2322-2374; email [email]ShenyangACS@state.gov[/email]. This consular district includes the following provinces/regions of China: Liaoning, Heilongjiang, and Jilin.
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This replaces the Consular Information Sheet dated March 19, 2007 to update sections on Entry/Exit Requirements, Safety and Security, Medical Facilities and Heath Information, Disaster Preparedness, and Children’s Issues.
In October last year, I got a 6 month multiple entry Chinese visa from Japan Travel in Hong Kong. While my passport is still valid for another year, I only have 1 empty page left. Since I plan to visit a number of countries that require a full-page visa on my next trip, I need a new passport. BTW, they won’t add pages to a Belgian passport.
When I revisit China early next month, I will have:
- A valid Chinese visa in my old passport (corner cut off).
- A new passport without a Chinese via.
I contacted Japan Travel by e-mail, and they replied that my Chinese visa would still be considered valid, even if the passport it was in was no longer valid. Chinese immigration will put the entry/exit stamps in my new passport.
Great news! I can travel straight from HKIA to Changping, without having to spend time in HK to apply for another visa (or visiting the Chinese embassy at home). While Japan Travel are experts on Chinese visa matters, I would still like confirmation. Has anyone ever traveled with 2 passports (invalid passport with valid visa, valid passport without visa)?
Loso
[QUOTE=Loso69]
When I revisit China early next month, I will have:
- A valid Chinese visa in my old passport (corner cut off).
- A new passport without a Chinese via.
Has anyone ever traveled with 2 passports (invalid passport with valid visa, valid passport without visa)?
Loso[/QUOTE]
You'll be ok....did this once many years back with two USA passports (one expired but will valid china visa) and not a problem.
As long as the visa is valid on the old Passport it is ok.
Thanks for the confirmation, Traveler1234 & Sammon.
Did you notice you reached 1234 posts, Traveler1234? :)
Loso
I can confirm that visas on old passports are valid in many destinations.
[QUOTE=Loso69]
...
When I revisit China early next month, I will have:
- A valid Chinese visa in my old passport (corner cut off).
- A new passport without a Chinese via.
...
Loso[/QUOTE]
I'm continuing a thread here that began in the Photo Gallery.
SE Asia Joe stated that after reading various posts that the conclusion was that you couldn't do a decent double in China. I disagree, certainly as that relates to p4p.
Just about any working girl in China has a friend with whom she is willing to do a "double-fly," as the local lingo puts it, and therefore, all you have to do is ask. This does not, of course, mean that that guarantees you a full-on lesbian show, after which they turn their attention on you for mind-blowing sex. But it also depends on the providers and how you've set the bar prior to the act.
I've had seven threesomes with Chinese girls, and yes, the quality varies. I would say half were soup to nuts and full-on, the other two basically involved me fucking one girl, then the other, back and forth until I decided to come in or on the good-looking one.
Manage the situation. It's generally better to let one girl pick her partner, chances are they know each other and are more comfortable with each other, and therefore more willing to push the envelope. Make it clear what you want, and also make it clear what you're willing to pay for what you're asking. That doesn't mean you need to bid up, but it does avoid disappointment later on.
If nothing else, don't avoid doing it just because it may not live up to your fantasy. If you've never tried two pussies, two mouths, and four tits at the same time, you don't know what you're missing, regardless of whether they use them on each other or just you.
[QUOTE=Intransit]I'm continuing a thread here that began in the Photo Gallery.
SE Asia Joe stated that after reading various posts that the conclusion was that you couldn't do a decent double in China. I disagree, certainly as that relates to p4p.
Just about any working girl in China has a friend with whom she is willing to do a "double-fly," ....This does not, of course, mean that that guarantees you a full-on lesbian show, ... But it also depends on the providers and how you've set the bar prior to the act.
Manage the situation.
If nothing else, don't avoid doing it just because it may not live up to your fantasy. If you've never tried two pussies, two mouths, and four tits at the same time, you don't know what you're missing, regardless of whether they use them on each other or just you.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]I can't remember how many times I've tried in China,
Back in the room, the whole story changed.... A complete waste of time and money.
To cut a long story short, I was disappointed for the umpteenth time. I guess what keeps me going back for more is my memory of a pair I had in Qing Yuan once. No holds barred. I'll never forget the doggy finish in one while the other did AR on me from behind. It doesn't get any better than that. ...
I also had much better luck with duos in Thailand. I've done the lesbian show girls. It may not be real, but they sure pretend good. at the end of the day, finding a great duo is very, very rare.
Just my POV.
OAH[/QUOTE]
Good idea to move the discussion here.
My experiences have also been quite similar. Great action at the Eden and at another place in Bangkok that's frequented by locals but I can't remember the name.
In China - its always promises promises - but little else. And forgetabout it when you even suggest any lesbo action. Little pecks or kisses on NON-nether parts - and that is as far as they'd go. And yeah - two tongues on my little pecker.... or ball and pecker - but never with any enthusiasm.
The closest I got to having something half decent was when I got to bang one gal whilst the other one Started to AR. Heaven for a couple seconds and then she decides that I wasn't popping fast enough and started pushing my butt with her face to "fasten the tempo - at least for another copuple seconds or so ... and then started pushing me with her hands and pretty soon..... her whole body... grunting and shoving and pushing and ....
Meanwhile the other one - the one I was banging - had started moaning and making all these fake noises...and then grunting ... and then loudly exclaiming... and then half ass real "ayayah" and then real "ayaahs" and then her pushing me away... her trying to breathe...her face contorting to real pain as she gasped for more air..... all the while the other one still pushing and shoving and grunting.... and all I could do was break out in laughter.... with the one I was banging cursing and screaming at the other one... and her now pulling and grabbing me away from her battered "Sister"
THAT - was about as good as it got in China for me!
SE Asia Joe
A fellow monger sent this to me. What do you think?
Appropriate for my 500th post.
[url]http://www.smh.com.au/news/relationships/infidelity-is-just-human/2007/12/18/1197740361847.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1[/url]
[QUOTE=Intransit]SE Asia Joe stated that after reading various posts that the conclusion was that you couldn't do a decent double in China. I disagree, certainly as that relates to p4p.
Manage the situation. It's generally better to let one girl pick her partner, chances are they know each other and are more comfortable with each other, and therefore more willing to push the envelope. Make it clear what you want, and also make it clear what you're willing to pay for what you're asking. That doesn't mean you need to bid up, but it does avoid disappointment later on.
If nothing else, don't avoid doing it just because it may not live up to your fantasy. If you've never tried two pussies, two mouths, and four tits at the same time, you don't know what you're missing, regardless of whether they use them on each other or just you.[/QUOTE]
Totally true. I have done my share of 3P in China, HK, Taiwan and the States. Have has many memorable ones, but none with full on lesbo action. Many have come close but nothing like what we see in porno movies. But I agree with Intransit, if you know the girl and have a good experience with her, the better the 3P will be. My best experience have been with girl I have done before and later they ask me to go to their place where they can keep all the money and no time restrictions. She took her 19 year old cousin and we GOT IT ON....
I would say do it, ideally with a girl you have done a few times and get GFE from offer it to you. Then you will get a good experience. And if she is doing it freelance, then it will be even better since she is more motivated to make you happy and less worried about time. Good luck.
I tried it only a few times, with similar results then posted here. I wouldn't consider it now.
What is a turn off for me is the additional theft risk. 2 girls are more difficult to keep an eye on then one.
But if I see a perfect pair I would go for it again. Part of it is probably language ability and to get girls that are really bi or gay and know each other. Then it may work.
[QUOTE=DayNight]I tried it only a few times, with similar results then posted here. I wouldn't consider it now.
What is a turn off for me is the additional theft risk. 2 girls are more difficult to keep an eye on then one.
But if I see a perfect pair I would go for it again. Part of it is probably language ability and to get girls that are really bi or gay and know each other. Then it may work.[/QUOTE]
IMHO, the chance of finding real bi or gay girls in China is slim. I knew a real bi girl in Thailand and we hunted together. This was great while it lasted. Some try to do the lesbo thing for our benefit, but it is too obviously put on with all the giggling and shit.
I reckon I will keep trying duos from time to time, looking to replicate the few good experiences from the past.
OAH
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]IMHO, the chance of finding real bi or gay girls in China is slim. [/QUOTE]
Found one, did her.
Even popped her "boy cherry" since she already had had sex with a woman. Damn, some of the hottest sex I have had in a long time. Interesting when she is still technically a virgin but not shy on sex. :-p
So enough of stroking my own ego.
Gentlemen,
I am posting here and on the E. China section.
I will be in Wenzhou next week for a couple of days. First time visit and I do not have a clue. All I could dig up on the board is a post about a 400RMB HJ.
Any fellow mongers have suggestions?
Thanks.
OAH
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]IMHO, the chance of finding real bi or gay girls in China is slim. I
OAH[/QUOTE]
So concensus here is that there's slim pickings for a good tag team in China.
And I guess that - from the arbitrer of these things on our boards - will come the wisdom that there is empirical evidence to support that China is - (O)f course (W)ithout (L)esbians.
Se Asia
[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]So concensus here is that there's slim pickings for a good tag team in China.
And I guess that - from the arbitrer of these things on our boards - will come the wisdom that there is empirical evidence to support that China is - (O)f course (W)ithout (L)esbians.
Se Asia[/QUOTE]Two of my freebies have told me they would like to try a 3-some (with another girl) but it has proven impossible to find a willing third. Couldn't get those 2 to hook up as they are in different cities.....real 3-somes are not to be expected there.
Merry Christmas to all my fellow mongers. All the best.
ES
[QUOTE=Eaglestar]Merry Christmas to all my fellow mongers. All the best.
ES[/QUOTE]I didn't know Santa has such a big one. (referring to the second picture)
[QUOTE=Eaglestar]Merry Christmas to all my fellow mongers. All the best.
ES[/QUOTE]
Santa in picture #2 ? Now how can that Santa get down the chimney with a dick that big. He just can't be real. Do you know ES ? How many dreams of Chirstmas and Santa Clause you have just destroyed for us men on ISG?
Take care and be safe and have a Merry Christmas.
tile man
[QUOTE=Tile Man4]Santa in picture #2 ? Now how can that Santa get down the chimney with a dick that big.
tile man[/QUOTE]
I strap my dick to my leg with my big black belt, that prevents me from scratching it on my way down the chimney.
I gave her cash for Christmas, that's what the "good girls" want!
Eaglestar: Please do not post any more pictures of me, It's against forum rules.
[QUOTE=Santa]I strap my dick to my leg with my big black belt, that prevents me from scratching it on my way down the chimney.
I gave her cash for Christmas, that's what the "good girls" want!
Eaglestar: Please do not post any more pictures of me, It's against forum rules.[/QUOTE]
Santa..
it is too late, that pic of you just got circulated all over southern china. now that girls will run and hide as you enter their shop. they all do not want to be mutilated by such a big gut/dick lao wai. No more Pu$$y for Santa. you may need to find a disguise when you visit some of your fav places.
ES has ruin it for you. maybe it is time to go back to the North Pole and give back some lovin to Mrs. Santa. she is use to your pole and miss it very much.
For the last couple of months I have been using [url]http://www.jiayuan.com/[/url] for introductions. If a person has some Chinese language skills, it is a gold mine. The site has a quite high volume of traffic. My target age group of 40+ lies a bit beyond the desired range of most mongers, I know.
Yesterday I settled on an angel, 40 years old with an out-of-wedlock 14-year-old son. This does not sound attractive, but she is the best-looking 40-year-old I have ever seen. At age 20 she must have been a hazard to traffic, with drivers gawking and not watching the road. Apparently for some time she was the second wife of some high-level cadre in this city. There is no such thing as a freebie, so I am waiting for the other shoe to drop.
Saw the "Okomoto 0.03 Nude" condoms for sale in HK for the first time about a month ago and bought a box to try out.
Overall, they are excellent, using a new latex technology with a light touch of lubrication providing good feel and safety while remaining super thin. The regular Okomoto 0.03 and Okomoto 0.03 Real Fit versions are very good already, but if you have a choice between the 3 versions, Okomoto 0.03 Nude wins hands down.
The Okomoto 0.03 Nude are more expensive, about $98HKD for a box of 10, so it's almost the same as the Sagami 0.02, but I prefer the Sagami. Though the Sagami condoms are unlubricated (so requires a horny and/or lubed gal) and needs a minute or so of "warming/softening up inside the pussy" to really show it's great effectiveness as a "barely there" condom.
As far as I've seen, both the Okomoto 0.03 Nude and Sagami 0.02 are not sold in Mainland China. The generic 0.02 condoms I've seen for sale at some Mainland 7-11 are decent and worth using, but not as good as the Sagami.
J
[QUOTE=Arctic1]For the last couple of months I have been using [url]http://www.jiayuan.com/[/url] for introductions. If a person has some Chinese language skills, it is a gold mine.[/QUOTE]
Interesting site. I did a search on Girls>Shenzhen>28-38years>over 170cm and got 376 hits. That's a good start.
Can anyone tell me how to recieve emails which will also show the chinese writing instead of the little boxes where the chinese should be?
Hi Folks,
Reading through the threads, I can't decide where to go in China. All the cities has so much to offer. I would like to go to China for 3-4 days solely for mongering.
Learned forummers, please recommend a place or two in China which are similar (or come close to for mongering opportunities) to Pattaya/Angeles City.
Happy new year to you all and happy mongering.
KK1
[QUOTE=Calvin Hobbs]Can anyone tell me how to recieve emails which will also show the chinese writing instead of the little boxes where the chinese should be?[/QUOTE]
It depends on what you use to read your emails. If you're using webmail, set the encoding for Chinese. If you're using Outlook, you need to install the Chinese language pack.
KK1,
There is no mongering destination in China like Pattaya/Angeles. The hobby is not that wide open. There are no beer bars (Zhuhai except but you cannot pull the girls in the bars), nor go-go bars. That said, CP is a close as you can get.
Just my POV.
OAH
[QUOTE=Kamking1]Hi Folks,
Reading through the threads, I can't decide where to go in China. All the cities has so much to offer. I would like to go to China for 3-4 days solely for mongering.
Learned forummers, please recommend a place or two in China which are similar (or come close to for mongering opportunities) to Pattaya/Angeles City.
Happy new year to you all and happy mongering.
KK1[/QUOTE]
Hi,
I am relatively new to this forum and am going to be in Harbin for the first time Jan 6th. to 8 th. Would appreciate any info /advice as to what to take as far as clothing (hear it is freezing cold), places to stay. I am considering Holiday in City center and mongering locations or would appreciate if you senior members would be kind enough to take this newbie under their wing and PM any numbers of gals that you reccomend or mongering location.
I did RTFF the forum in detail and most of the info looks dated on Harbin.
Happy to reciprocate if you interested to know of Shanghai or New York.
Thank you in adavance
OAH,
Thanks, will try ChangPing then.
KK1
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]KK1,
There are no beer bars (Zhuhai except but you cannot pull the girls in the bars), nor go-go bars.
Just my POV.
OAH[/QUOTE]
I think OAH would agree with me here, the best place in China for beer bars, girly bars, nightclubs and discos is Beijing and Shanghai. They are also the best cities for finding nice girlfriends who speak english and they have the best restaurants. Beijing also has the best historical sites, but I prefer Shanghai as a city.
There is an overnight train with sleeper cars connecting the two cities. It's a fun way to travel and you save on the price of a hotel room.
Most other towns have girls, but they generally do not speak english and do not have western style entertainment joints. The discos and ktvs are full of chinese guys only, and english is very rarely spoken.
Thanks Santa for your input. I understand that Beijing and Shanghai are quite expensive. Being an Asian, I don't get the advantage of an Westerner as China has significant race preference.That's why I was looking for a place similar to Pattaya/Angeles City where sex is quite commercialized and I can have better milage for my money.
KK1
[QUOTE=Kamking1]Thanks Santa for your input. I understand that Beijing and Shanghai are quite expensive. Being an Asian, I don't get the advantage of an Westerner as China has significant race preference.That's why I was looking for a place similar to Pattaya/Angeles City where sex is quite commercialized and I can have better milage for my money.
KK1[/QUOTE]
Well, it's true that Beijing and Shanghai are more expensive, but they are interesting international cities. They have interesting places to visit during the day and good entertainment venues at night. Shanghai actually does have cheap and attractive pussy available, if you read the forum and know where to go. And Beijing has mongolian girls at Maggies.
The lesser known industrial cities of China may have cheaper pussy, but there is fuck all to do. No historical or beautiful places, and no western style pubs and clubs at night.
It's kind of like comparing New York with Detroit. It's much cheaper in Detroit, but the city sucks.
Of course, you know best what suits your needs.
[QUOTE=Kamking1]Thanks Santa for your input. I understand that Beijing and Shanghai are quite expensive. Being an Asian, I don't get the advantage of an Westerner as China has significant race preference.That's why I was looking for a place similar to Pattaya/Angeles City where sex is quite commercialized and I can have better milage for my money.
KK1[/QUOTE]
Hmmm... perhaps try Shekou (West shenzhen) where there is a tamer version of Pattaya - and better chance of getting English speaking providers/going to be much more Non-Chinese speaking friendly - assuming you don't speak the lingo. Chang Ping is going to be quite difficult to tackle
SE Asia Joe
[url]http://www.cityweekend.com.cn/beijing/classifieds/services/beauty-massage/[/url]
I was searching for various massage service and found this site to be very inviting. It also was in English, hence helpful to a foreigner like me.
I wonder if any of you have used them and if so are they reliable.
I also saw a post baulking at the price of Rmb 300, which is line 40 $, which I think is very reasonable. Or I am missing something?
[QUOTE=Road Lover][url]http://www.cityweekend.com.cn/beijing/classifieds/services/beauty-massage/[/url]
I was searching for various massage service and found this site to be very inviting. It also was in English, hence helpful to a foreigner like me.
I wonder if any of you have used them and if so are they reliable.
I also saw a post baulking at the price of Rmb 300, which is line 40 $, which I think is very reasonable. Or I am missing something?[/QUOTE]
I have never personally tried one of these out-call services because I anticipate the following -[indent]The girl that shows up will NOT be the one in the picture[/indent][indent]If you decided to accept the girl anyway she will start with the 300RMB massage, and the try to up-sell, asking for additional money for additional services.[/indent]As a test, I took one of the mobile numbers in an ad and put it into Google. I found that it was post on several different boards, with different pictures and descriptions. I think what is happening is that an agency posts several different ads with different phone numbers, but the calls all come back to the same "distribitor".
If someone has had a positive experience from one of these out-calls, please let me know as they sound very tempting!
Sammy
I found this gem located by Ace Gallant on his forum. It is a fantastic report on Shanghai scene. Has anybody seen anything like this for Beijing as well?
[post]686563 [/post]
[QUOTE=Road Lover]I found this gem located by Ace Gallant on his forum. It is a fantastic report on Shanghai scene. Has anybody seen anything like this for Beijing as well?
[post]686563 [/post][/QUOTE]
Not sure what you are looking for, but you might find my Beginners Guide to Beijing useful: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=571272#post571272[/url]
Gentlemen. My wife and I will be in Hong Kong for a few days before going to Shenzhen for a day and overnight stay to meet my little Chinese friend and her parents ( who I am flying down from deepest China).
Time constraints mean 1 day in China, but my wife and I would like my friend to spend a few days with us in HK. She told me it is hard for Chinese citizens to get into HK, but I swear I found a site that said they have to go to a certain office and just apply. However, both she and I cannot find this site.
My question is-does anyone know how a Chinese citizen can get a permit to visit HK?
I greatly appreciate your help.
Petemcc
Petemcc,
It may be difficult for her to get a HK pass unless she is a Guangdong resident.
That said, there are many travel agents in Shenzhen that arrange them. You should ask your friend to check (in advance) with some of them.
OAH
[QUOTE=Petemcc]Gentlemen. My wife and I will be in Hong Kong for a few days before going to Shenzhen for a day and overnight stay to meet my little Chinese friend and her parents ( who I am flying down from deepest China).
Time constraints mean 1 day in China, but my wife and I would like my friend to spend a few days with us in HK. She told me it is hard for Chinese citizens to get into HK, but I swear I found a site that said they have to go to a certain office and just apply. However, both she and I cannot find this site.
My question is-does anyone know how a Chinese citizen can get a permit to visit HK?
I greatly appreciate your help.
Petemcc[/QUOTE]
It is very difficult for Chinese citizens to visit Hong Kong. It is immaterial whether she is a guangdong province resident. The only way Mainland China residents to visit Hong Kong is,
1. In a group tour arranged by a tour company.
2. Business required visits arranged by Hong Kong company.
3. Communist party related activities.
4. Job contracts offered by Hong Kong company.
If you are a GuangDong resident or a resident of some other big cities then it IS VERY easy to get a travel permit to HK, but only for a few days/weeks. It is now very very commen for mainland people to visit HK on their own. But if she is from a small area,,,,
[QUOTE=Kunshan]If you are a GuangDong resident or a resident of some other big cities then it IS VERY easy to get a travel permit to HK, but only for a few days/weeks. It is now very very commen for mainland people to visit HK on their own. But if she is from a small area,,,,[/QUOTE]
A few weeks ago one of my employees here in Beijing visited HongKong alone for holiday. He told me it was very easy for him to get the necessary travel permit - no passport required. the only difficulty was it took 3 day for the paperwork to be processed.
Rules have been changed for quite a while. The Chinese Government now allows resident (with Household Registration or Hukou) in a list of bigger cities to obtain travel permit to visit HK by themselves (instead of joining a tour group). All of the 1st tier cities (Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Shenzhen, Chongqing, etc.) and a lot of the the bigger 2nd tier cities (like Chengdu, Shenyang, etc.) are on the list.
Like Sammy T has said, the applicatioin process is very simple. More like paying the fees to get the permit. But it will take a few day to process.
[QUOTE=Sammon]It is very difficult for Chinese citizens to visit Hong Kong. It is immaterial whether she is a guangdong province resident. The only way Mainland China residents to visit Hong Kong is,
1. In a group tour arranged by a tour company.
2. Business required visits arranged by Hong Kong company.
3. Communist party related activities.
4. Job contracts offered by Hong Kong company.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Arctic1]For the last couple of months I have been using [url]http://www.jiayuan.com/[/url] for introductions. If a person has some Chinese language skills, it is a gold mine. [/QUOTE]
To sign up is a little tricky as everything is in Chinese, but possible. I just managed it. One side note: you must use IE when you sign up, Firefox didn't work.
Thanks very much to you all for the advice, it's much appreciated.
Petemcc
[QUOTE=Sammy_T]Not sure what you are looking for, but you might find my Beginners Guide to Beijing useful: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=571272#post571272[/url][/QUOTE]
This is exactly what I was looking for. I did serach for it, but somehow could not locate it on my own. Thanks for referring it and really sorry to bother you. This is a fantastic compilation and I really admire and appreciate the effort you have put into this masterpiece. All I can do now is to thank you from the bottom of my heart and can only add my meagre contributions when I pass through Chine later in the month. May you get all you wish for in your life.
Usually I don't go to ktv because I don't care for the soppy romantic songs, terrible singing, smoking and dice-cup slamming. But I was invited to a private party last night and I went. It was a rather tame and formal gathering, as far as ktv parties go. Some of the guys were with regular girlfriends and no hanky panky going on.
The air-con was on, even though it was cold outside, and the girl I chose was scantily dressed. The poor girl was freezing, her hands were like ice. So being the gentleman I am, I sat the gal on my knee, Santa likes them on his knee, and put my coat around her. Within a few minutes I had my hand in her knickers. There was about 20 people in the room, but the majority were too busy to notice that Santa was masturbating his gal. After I had gotten her good and wet, and she had downed a few drinks, she put her hand down my pants and played with my Rednosed Rudolf. :D
A few of the guys in the room could see by the grin on my face that something was UP, but the rest were too busy singing, drinking, eating, falling over and acting silly.
Well, the lesson to be learned is to bring a coat into the ktv room. Sit the lady on your lap, wrap your coat around her and play. If she is not cooperative, you can quickly tell the mommy she is not suitable and exchange her for another.
A special Thank You to the ISG member who invited me.
I will be in Beijing for the first time this week. I am curious is the forum active in China or is it banned like in UAE? Do I need to get all the data before my arrival in PRC or I will be able to log on to the forum from there?
Information will be very helpful
Usually there isn't any trouble accessing this site throughout China. But you might copy and paste some good info to an email to yourself to make sure you have the basics of what you want easily.
Also, in the Dongguan thread (I think) is info for getting on here if this site seems hard to access while here.
Have fun up there, BJ can't be bad with initials like that. Cold though these weeks!
[QUOTE=Santa]. So being the gentleman I am, I sat the gal on my knee, Santa likes them on his knee, and put my coat around her. Within a few minutes I had my hand in her knickers. There was about 20 people in the room, but the majority were too busy to notice that Santa was masturbating his gal.
[/QUOTE]
So Santa - you keep on giving even when its past X'mas huh?
So - did she get also your RMB500 later on?
SE Asia Joe
Can I stick my neck out and say that having recently returned to China via Dubai after the Xmas break, the Chinese contingency on board my flight have now without a shadow of a doubt, completely sealed the top spot for the most ignorant, unbehaved and ill mannered people I have ever experienced in all of my travels! The poor cabin girls on the Emirates flight didnt know what the fuck had hit them! And before anyone chimes in, Im not talking about 1 or 2, or even a bunch of kids (although that would be a very easy way to describe it). I could go on and on in detail but I will refrain.
Apologies for the off topic and somewhat downbeat start to the New Year, but I just needed to get this off my chest!!
Sid
[QUOTE=SidTheSexist]Can I stick my neck out and say that having recently returned to China via Dubai after the Xmas break, the Chinese contingency on board my flight have now without a shadow of a doubt, completely sealed the top spot for the most ignorant, unbehaved and ill mannered people I have ever experienced in all of my travels! The poor cabin girls on the Emirates flight didnt know what the fuck had hit them! And before anyone chimes in, Im not talking about 1 or 2, or even a bunch of kids (although that would be a very easy way to describe it). I could go on and on in detail but I will refrain.
Apologies for the off topic and somewhat downbeat start to the New Year, but I just needed to get this off my chest!!
Sid[/QUOTE]
Hey.... OK you're a sexist - but is being a racist cool on this board?
SE Asia Joe
[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]Hey.... OK you're a sexist - but is being a racist cool on this board?
SE Asia Joe[/QUOTE]
I think that has nothing to do with race rather than education (And the way how thay raise their kids in a one child family. Many kids feel they are the only person in this world, so why even take notice of others). And I am sure he is right.
[QUOTE=Tiger 888]I think that has nothing to do with race rather than education (And the way how thay raise their kids in a one child family. Many kids feel they are the only person in this world, so why even take notice of others). And I am sure he is right.[/QUOTE]
My guess is they were poorly educated construction workers, drunk and happy, because they were going home to China for pussy and New Year celebrations.
[QUOTE=SidTheSexist]Can I stick my neck out and say that having recently returned to China via Dubai after the Xmas break, the Chinese contingency on board my flight have now without a shadow of a doubt, completely sealed the top spot for the most ignorant, unbehaved and ill mannered people I have ever experienced in all of my travels! The poor cabin girls on the Emirates flight didnt know what the fuck had hit them! And before anyone chimes in, Im not talking about 1 or 2, or even a bunch of kids (although that would be a very easy way to describe it). I could go on and on in detail but I will refrain.
Apologies for the off topic and somewhat downbeat start to the New Year, but I just needed to get this off my chest!
Sid[/QUOTE]Last night we were at dinner in SZ when a group of Chinese business men got so drunk that they started throwing glasses and dishes at each other. Ah China. Land of extremes. I'm not sure where the Chinese lack of respect for personal space and privacy comes from, but one need only get on a subway, stand in line at a check out counter, or drive on the roads to experience it first hand.
I don't consider it racist to comment on Chinese behavior that is common place. Like spitting on the sidewalk it is just a way of life. Different. Not wrong. But not western. I think it's OK for us to make these observations to keep from going over the edge living here.
With regard to traveling on a flight with a large number of Mainland Chinese, I do think it is a matter of education and social habits they have that they unknowingly carry over to aircraft.
I saw an old guy spit on the floor of a plane because that is what he assumed was ok to do. They don't think about this stuff, they just do it.
I don't think it is necessarily racist to point out bad habits. For instance, I find it very annoying when people carry a conversation at their normal "street volume" (ie very loud) in confined space, such as inside aircraft, without consideration for others (I am glad I usually have earplugs with me, or use headphones). It is as if they are in their own world and they don't really care about anyone else.
Basically Mainland Chinese have never really had to concern themselves with people around them. Their sense of personal space, and etiquette (sometimes non-existent) is simply not calibrated for international travel.
However, I am not apologizing for their oftentimes crass behavior. I am just pointing out the fact that they often don't know basic etiquette when traveling.
I will say that I usually enjoy flights that originate from Japan, and abhor flights originating from mainland China.
MAB
[QUOTE=Furias]
it is just a way of life. Different. Not wrong.
.[/QUOTE]
Agree! The differences in behavior, ethics or manners, is the result of different conditioning (learning).
We sometimes behave in ways that they would find shameful, like "going dutch" and not fighting for the bill.
I recently invited a girl to go to the park. She did not reply. She probably thought, "cheap bastard, doesn't want to take me shopping".
If we perceive behavior in China as being characteristic of the Han race, rather than as the actions of individuals, than that perception is racist in nature. There are countless (literally) Chinese nationals that do not spit, do not cut into lines, do not ignore screaming children, etc. Do a larger percentage of Chinese citizens behave this way than say, Mexicans? Maybe. Who knows? Are these behavioral variations dependent on education? on social constraints? on family relationships? on bathroom construction limitations during the cultural revolution, or on racial characteristics that are genetic in nature?
I may very well be a fat lazy violent drunken sex-crazed American. I trust and hope that my generous Chinese hosts perceive me as a victim of my nation's culture, or lack of it.
[QUOTE=Meiguoguizi]If we perceive behavior in China as being characteristic of the Han race, rather than as the actions of individuals, than that perception is racist in nature. There are countless (literally) Chinese nationals that do not spit, do not cut into lines, do not ignore screaming children, etc. Do a larger percentage of Chinese citizens behave this way than say, Mexicans? Maybe. Who knows? .....[/QUOTE]
Not me. But to add a thought, people that cut into lines are annoying, but, it is annoying because there was a line in the first place, a line implies that the majority does line up, otherwise no line would form. Right?
Our sometimes negative impression of Chinese people is usually formed by a very small minority, because the large majority you simple don't notice as they behave, what I call, civilized.
One can shift ones own impression by looking, and noticing, the "good", and ignoring the "bad" (were possible).
PS: a cut into MY line will be swiftly corrected.
PPS: spitting is seldom a problem nowadays, however, an experienced monger will not put his shoes right next to the bed.
[QUOTE=Meiguoguizi]If we perceive behavior in China as being characteristic of the Han race, rather than as the actions of individuals, than that perception is racist in nature. There are countless (literally) Chinese nationals that do not spit, do not cut into lines, do not ignore screaming children, etc. Do a larger percentage of Chinese citizens behave this way than say, Mexicans? Maybe. Who knows? Are these behavioral variations dependent on education? on social constraints? on family relationships? on bathroom construction limitations during the cultural revolution, or on racial characteristics that are genetic in nature?
I may very well be a fat lazy violent drunken sex-crazed American. I trust and hope that my generous Chinese hosts perceive me as a victim of my nation's culture, or lack of it.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps what we are really talking about is Stereotyping, not Racism per se.
Humans naturally want to categorize and organize things within their own minds. By sorting all the information we gather into our brains, we have to make sense of it all.
Stereotyping is a way of compartmentalizing people by focusing on their social behavior, which is an easily observable thing to do for the casual observer.
From this, we develop social stereotypes that sort things out for us, otherwise we would all be confused. Instead we make sense of the world around us.
A lot of social stereotyping is developed from observing basic social interaction, which explains for example why a lot of WG's will refuse Laowai for fear that their dicks are too big. That said, there is often a grain of truth in stereotypes, otherwise there wouldn't be one. The WG who refuses, must likely not have experienced very many Laowai, so her perception is that they all must have a big dick.
However, if you have a limited sample of information, you tend to develop an incorrect or very limited social stereotype that only applies locally or to a very small group
Just my 2 fen
I recently invited a girl to go shopping and she did replied, "Thank goodness you called. Some cheap bastard just tried to invite me to the park."
Bill
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]I recently invited a girl to go shopping and she did replied, "Thank goodness you called. Some cheap bastard just tried to invite me to the park."
Bill[/QUOTE]
Bill stole her phone number from me and now he's doing her doggy, in the friggin park! :mad:
[QUOTE=Meiguoguizi]Do a larger percentage of Chinese citizens behave this way than say, Mexicans? Maybe.[/QUOTE]You're exactly right, it is all about proportions and there were indeed other Chinese nationals acting impeccably. However, you also add to my point which IMHO is, that Mainland Chinese have the highest 'Percentage' of people, not just amount, who appear to behave in the way I first described.
[QUOTE=Santa]Imagine you are sitting on a park bench and a dog walks up to you and asks, "please, what time is it"? You are so confused by this amazing phenomena that you just sit there scratching your head. The dog asks again "please, what time is it"? Now this is just incredible! You sit there looking at the dog and answer, "huh"?
The dog walks away, and then you call your friend and tell him what just happened.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Santa]Bill stole her phone number from me and now he's doing her doggy, in the friggin park! :mad:[/QUOTE]
All I did was read these 2 postings one after the other
SE Asia Joe
[QUOTE=Santa] I recently invited a girl to go to the park. She did not reply. She probably thought, "cheap bastard, doesn't want to take me shopping".[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]I recently invited a girl to go shopping and she did replied, "Thank goodness you called. Some cheap bastard just tried to invite me to the park." Bill[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Santa]Bill stole her phone number from me and now he's doing her doggy, in the friggin park! :mad:[/QUOTE]
No. I took her shopping at 7-11
I did her in the back room and she started yelling Santa's name, "You cheap bastard."
Bill
Why is it that non working girls the give BJs seldom spit compared to the WGs here?
I’ve just had another SW that spit on the hotel room floor leave, it made me wonder about this, I don’t remember non pros ever spitting.
I mainly do free kine, then SWs, hotel in calls or BBS take out, seems common for these females to hack & spit while giving a BJ. I’m not sure if the sauna girls spit as much from my lack of experience with them.
Free kine rarely spit on purpose in my experiences here.
Is it cause they hope we’ll feel bad & let her stop?
Who taught them All to spit? Often noisily & in similar ways from girl to girl.
Who forgot to teach them Not to spit on the carpet in the room?
Do the sauna & higher end KTV girls spit the same?
Thirty years ago everybody was spitting in China. The streets of Shanghai had spittoons along the sidewalks full of green gob, they had spittoons because it was a comparatively modern city. Buses and trains were very overcrowded and everybody had respiratory infections, spit was everywhere.
Tissue paper is new to China. Since it is now quite common, due to a huge public health campaign, spitting is now not so common and respiratory infections have been greatly reduced.
Europe and America was probably the same in the not very distant past. Tissue paper is an under-appreciated and wonderful invention.
Many (or maybe most) people in the world still wipe their arseholes with their fingers. In the Philippines they use a water sprayer, which I think does a better job of cleaning away the shit. In this respect I think they are more hygenic than westerners.
Sure, I understand all that Santa.
But why do you think a nice looking girl that probably spits very little in public can do it so easily in a mans hotel room?
And I'm curious about if the better trained & performing KTV & sauna girls spit as much while trying to make us happy.
I often spit when I need to, 'if there is a place to spit.
[QUOTE=Hainanien]Why is it that non working girls the give BJs seldom spit compared to the WGs here?
I’ve just had another SW that spit on the hotel room floor leave, it made me wonder about this, I don’t remember non pros ever spitting.
I mainly do free kine, then SWs, hotel in calls or BBS take out, seems common for these females to hack & spit while giving a BJ. I’m not sure if the sauna girls spit as much from my lack of experience with them.
Free kine rarely spit on purpose in my experiences here.
Is it cause they hope we’ll feel bad & let her stop?
Who taught them All to spit? Often noisily & in similar ways from girl to girl.
Who forgot to teach them Not to spit on the carpet in the room?
Do the sauna & higher end KTV girls spit the same?[/QUOTE]
The SW may blow 10to 20 guys a day and I am sure she is sick of it. Its kinda like her saying to you............... go fuck yourself. Its all attitude with these WG's and SW's. But , non-WG wants to please and will go the extra mile, not all of course.
After 1 year on ISG , I have read more negitive reports about WG's than positive. Don't we all hate doing shit for our boss that we don't like , even though we still get paid. IMHO , It all come down to attitude. I don't really think they are taught this . I don't think there is a happy hooker out there , but I don't feel sorry for them , they all choose this job for greed, fast money and easy work.
In the normal working world , we all get fired if we don't perform. The WG can just go give the same bad service to the next sucker that comes along. This is why I like to read post from the men who live , monger and work in China. They seem to know how to avoid all this bullshit.
Take care and stay safe.
tile man
[QUOTE=Hainanien]
Who taught them All to spit?
Who forgot to teach them Not to spit on the carpet in the room?
QUOTE]
Their mothers taught them. Low end hookers are from lower socio-economic backgrounds, where spitting is common and carpets do not exist. They are hillbillies, country bumpkins, dressed up in city clothing.
Getting a better blow job and asking her not to "tu" on your carpet, depends on your language skills and your ability to negotiate up front.
yes, don't you just hate it when after a nice two-girl session of anal sex, where you're so relaxed because you've convinced both girls to lick your bung-hole for a nice snapshot, and for an extra 100RMB they agreed to eat each other while you bang them alternately doggie, and tonight your hot load was big enough to spread across both their cute 18 year old faces, but then at that wonderful life-affirming moment, one of these Guanxi peasants has the nerve to spit on the Holiday Inn's iron-gray lifetime-warranty faux-wool carpet?!?
When will this country evolve to Western standards of hygienic behavior?
[QUOTE=Santa][QUOTE=Hainanien]
Who taught them All to spit?
Who forgot to teach them Not to spit on the carpet in the room?
QUOTE]
Their mothers taught them. Low end hookers are from lower socio-economic backgrounds, where spitting is common and carpets do not exist. They are hillbillies, country bumpkins, dressed up in city clothing.
Getting a better blow job and asking her not to "tu" on your carpet, depends on your language skills and your ability to negotiate up front.[/QUOTE]
So many times I have read about bad service and all that other shit that happens over there. All the seniors have over and over again told us to have everything agreed upon before you even touch this woman.
Many newbies assume sex is sex and a BJ is a BJ (CIM included) . No fucking way , they will do anything to get out of giving you what you expect and / or pay for.
Negotiate and language is everything. One more time , everything !!!!!!!! This is only about the 1000th post on this subject , if you read the forum
you should have gotten it by now. If you get fucked over in China , in most cases (not all) , its your own fault. It happen to me many times. But , because of this forum and the seniors help , just maybe , this bullshit will never happen to me and you all again. Yes , there are always exceptions.
Good report Santa for the umpteenth fucking time.
take care and be safe
tile man
[QUOTE=Meiguoguizi]yes, don't you just hate it when after a nice two-girl session of anal sex, where you're so relaxed because you've convinced both girls to lick your bung-hole for a nice snapshot, and for an extra 100RMB they agreed to eat each other while you bang them alternately doggie, and tonight your hot load was big enough to spread across both their cute 18 year old faces, but then at that wonderful life-affirming moment, one of these Guanxi peasants has the nerve to spit on the Holiday Inn's iron-gray lifetime-warranty faux-wool carpet?!?
When will this country evolve to Western standards of hygienic behavior?[/QUOTE]
Holy hell!! Would you mind sharing these girls phone #'s with me? They can spit all over the floor if I get this much action from them!
-CPE
Actually, it was a pretty good bbbj, I could have probably cim but at a buck fity, one pop is all ya get & I prefer to pop in her other hole.
10 to 20 guys a day would be a Very good day for a SW in many Chinese cities, specially for the not so young & tight models, often, they don’t come out till 8 or 9 pm. I’d believe a sauna girl may reach that number on occasion but she’d need to put in some long hours. Or in the few back alley places where cheap BJs are the main menu item. But, I’ll agree, they probably tire of it before the first one of the day.
It’s also quite possible that many do actually live, work & monger here a number of years but don’t post a lot.
Maybe one of them can tell me if the higher end WGs spit as much as cheaper kinds? Or point to 1 of the 100's of threads that says, I don't remember reading a comparison.
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080109/od_nm/brothel_dc;_ylt=AuhyGUvkwxSDt_rAHIciA_2s0NUE[/url]
Hillarious story! We all gotta watch out.
[QUOTE=SidTheSexist]Can I stick my neck out and say that having recently returned to China via Dubai after the Xmas break, the Chinese contingency on board my flight have now without a shadow of a doubt, completely sealed the top spot for the most ignorant, unbehaved and ill mannered people I have ever experienced in all of my travels! The poor cabin girls on the Emirates flight didnt know what the fuck had hit them! And before anyone chimes in, Im not talking about 1 or 2, or even a bunch of kids (although that would be a very easy way to describe it). I could go on and on in detail but I will refrain.
Apologies for the off topic and somewhat downbeat start to the New Year, but I just needed to get this off my chest!
Sid[/QUOTE]Recently went to Macau and on the ferry ride back, couldn't help but think of this post.
It was a 6am ferry and about 99% of the passengers just wanted to sleep (myself included). Actually, seemed like all passengers except for four Brits. It was beyond ridiculous. Didn't stop at loud chatter. Didn't stop at bad singing. One dude tried to climb over a row of seats (which was occupied with four sleeping, older ladies) for god knows what reason. It wasn't only the Chinese passengers which were directing nasty looks at them (not that they noticed any of them).
One of the guys tried calming the rest of his crew down, how people were trying to sleep, "shhhhh", etc.
It took a great deal of restraint for me to NOT remove the two bottles of wine in my back pack and bludgeon the four of them over the head with them.
Anyway, I think it's not so much about one group/nationality/ethnicity of people being "more rude" than another.
1) Etiquette is about social rules and norms and thus are defined by those rules/norms developed within that society. Between different societies, there will be differences in rules/norms. I remember as a kid, some teacher or other telling me it was rude to put your elbows on the table. I think that in some societies, it's rude to point your feet at others. Chinese remove their shoes before entering the home. When it comes to noise levels and personal space, seems that colder climate places (Germans, Brits, Japanese) prefer more personal space and lower noise levels where warmer places (HK, Italy) go for more intimate contact and higher noise levels. (DISCLAIMER: I'm not a sociologist or any other type of expert, just throwing out my personal ideas and observations).
2) When leaving your own society, seems that there's this tendency to feel that, well, those rules don't really apply anymore. I would guess that most readers of this board are "visitors" to new areas. Even guys that have relocated to China or elsewhere, do you really consider China or elsewhere to be "home". Sort of wonder whether you would have the same behavior/attitudes here as you would back home?
[QUOTE=Neuromancer]Recently went to Macau and on the ferry ride back, couldn't help but think of this post.
It was a 6am ferry and about 99% of the passengers just wanted to sleep (myself included). Actually, seemed like all passengers except for four Brits. It was beyond ridiculous. Didn't stop at loud chatter. Didn't stop at bad singing. One dude tried to climb over a row of seats (which was occupied with four sleeping, older ladies) for god knows what reason. It wasn't only the Chinese passengers which were directing nasty looks at them (not that they noticed any of them).
One of the guys tried calming the rest of his crew down, how people were trying to sleep, "shhhhh", etc.
It took a great deal of restraint for me to NOT remove the two bottles of wine in my back pack and bludgeon the four of them over the head with them.
Anyway, I think it's not so much about one group/nationality/ethnicity of people being "more rude" than another.
1) Etiquette is about social rules and norms and thus are defined by those rules/norms developed within that society. Between different societies, there will be differences in rules/norms. I remember as a kid, some teacher or other telling me it was rude to put your elbows on the table. I think that in some societies, it's rude to point your feet at others. Chinese remove their shoes before entering the home. When it comes to noise levels and personal space, seems that colder climate places (Germans, Brits, Japanese) prefer more personal space and lower noise levels where warmer places (HK, Italy) go for more intimate contact and higher noise levels. (DISCLAIMER: I'm not a sociologist or any other type of expert, just throwing out my personal ideas and observations).
2) When leaving your own society, seems that there's this tendency to feel that, well, those rules don't really apply anymore. I would guess that most readers of this board are "visitors" to new areas. Even guys that have relocated to China or elsewhere, do you really consider China or elsewhere to be "home". Sort of wonder whether you would have the same behavior/attitudes here as you would back home?[/QUOTE]
Many of the guys here on ISG , always say....... When in Rome. I live in Rome , its called the USA. I have to respect and put up with well over 200 cultures. At times , I do get sick of it. The world needs to learn the same. The world is so small now. I do not go out of my way to be rude , but I am sure that Chinese people see me as rude. I also think that the Chinese are more forgiving than many other cultures. The are good people.
I really don't go alone with the "When in Rome shit" . I just do my best and try not to hurt people. I was at a big dinner in China with maybe 12 people and I was the only one with his elbows on the table , while the rest spit their bones on the table all night. One day my GF took me out to eat where they spit the bones and other shit on the floor. I told my GF , don't take me to this shit hole ever again . Sorry , but when in China , the culture has to go both ways with me.
be safe , take care and do your best.
tile man
I would say that at least 90% of BBS girls are spitters. The % of sauna and KTV girls is less, but still high. The lowest percentage is SW since they do BBBJCIM often in cars. The difference is whether they use tissues and put the wastebasket next to the bed or just let it go on the floor. They spit on the floor more often in their own places, then my hotel room, but I normally warn them ahead of time.
I have never asked directly why, but they seem to spit naturally like there is nothing wrong about it. I doubt that most have any idea that it is a major turn off.
Has any monger actually asked a WG not to spit at all? What did she say?
OAH
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]I would say that at least 90% of BBS girls are spitters. The % of sauna and KTV girls is less, but still high. The lowest percentage is SW since they do BBBJCIM often in cars. The difference is whether they use tissues and put the wastebasket next to the bed or just let it go on the floor. They spit on the floor more often in their own places, then my hotel room, but I normally warn them ahead of time.
I have never asked directly why, but they seem to spit naturally like there is nothing wrong about it. I doubt that most have any idea that it is a major turn off.
Has any monger actually asked a WG not to spit at all? What did she say?
OAH[/QUOTE]
I tell all of them , that this hotel in my home. I ask them not to spit and don't trash my WC . Also ask if you want to drink or eat the "pay for" food , please ask. Most do comply.
take care and be safe
tile man
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]I .
I have never asked directly why, but they seem to spit naturally like there is nothing wrong about it. I doubt that most have any idea that it is a major turn off.
Has any monger actually asked a WG not to spit at all? What did she say?
OAH[/QUOTE]
Here's how I do it. I'm usually out of the Bathroom and in bed before the gal. I would then watch to see what they do. Some - not that many - would take the garbage can and tissue papers close to the bed. VERY GOOD SIGN as it automatically means that a BJ is definitely on offer! If she doesn't do this - I would be the one who gather the paper and garbage can next to the bed - MY SIGN that I expect a BJ! Hell, I'd even fill up two glasses with Hot AND Cold water - if I wanted FireIce! Somehow, all these things signal to the gal what you expect - and if they have any qualms - they would discuss it. Or else, they would ask what you were doing and that is when you explain it all to them!
So I'd end up with what I want exactly PLUS I would NOt have them spitting on the floor. Whatchyall think?
SE Asia Joe
I've had similar negative experiences on flights packed with local Chinese people. It is simply a lack of education in social etiquette and poor examples set by those with influence e.g. parents, officials, teachers, etc. I can remember flying on a domestic flight with people pissing in the sink. Many had never been on an airplane before and did not know how to use the toilet. And, it goes beyond the airplanes into total communities in China. Did you ever notice that common areas of apartment blocks can be totally trashed whilst the inside of the apartments themselves are spotless and tastefully decorated? Many local governments have launched "Living in Harmony" programs for education at a grass roots level. It will take time to change.
Just my POV.
OAH
agreed that domestic flights can sometimes be challenging. my main peeve remains the cutting in lines, everywhere including the airport security and airplane boarding (plus banks, restaurants, etc.). pretty obvious the planes not leaving till everyone gets one , and yet...
on a separate and happier note, i flew shenzhen airlines recently and had a pleasant experience. the attendants were all young and attractive, they wore tight red skirts cutting above the knees, long black leather boots with heels! and halfway into the flight, they line up in the aisle and do an exercise routine with all the passengers, and afterwards do a dance show!! kind of quirky, but if you get past that, very cute and endearing i think. try creating an airline like this at home... they'd be sued within minutes.
cheers
It's funny, if the girl doesn't look so good, is giving me bad service, or a very bad blowjob, and spits on the floor, I become angry. It's like adding injury to insult. Salt in the wound!
If she is hot, lots of fun, gives me a terrific blowjob, and spits on the floor, then I don't give a shit. I'm happy! Good one baby. My kind of gal. Yep, she even spits like a champ!
China to clean up karaoke parlors
Associated Press
Jan 17, 2008
BEIJING -- A government campaign targeting China's karaoke parlors will try to stamp out the selling of sex and drugs and the use of unlicensed music, the Ministry of Culture said.
The "Sunshine Project," which began Monday, comes as the Chinese capital prepares to welcome hundreds of thousands of visitors for the Beijing Olympics this summer. Chinese leaders, who see the games as a chance to show off a modern, thriving country, have taken great pains to ensure that the event is flawless.
The ministry said on its Web site Tuesday that the initiative would run through 2010 and target the 200,000 "entertainment enterprises" in China, though it mentioned only karaoke parlors specifically.
Karaoke is extremely popular among Chinese, who sing in parlors ranging from glittering multistory complexes to roadside mom-and-pop operations. In the past, most played unlicensed versions of songs but that has been on the wane in recent years as Beijing has increasingly cracked down on the practice.
China is a leading source of pirated copies of music, movies and other goods. While entertainment enterprises boost consumer spending and provide jobs and tax revenue, "some are unlicensed and in some, illegal activities such as sex, gambling and drugs are taking place," the Ministry of Culture said in an apparent reference to the many massage parlors that double as brothels.
Protection of intellectual property rights was also lacking, it added. The ministry did not give details on how the campaign would be carried out, but said it would strengthen supervision of the industry and give "sunshine" certifications to businesses that followed regulations, provided good service and used only licensed products.
The campaign will be carried out by several government departments, including the Public Security Bureau and the Ministry of Health. It follows a call by the ruling Communist Party for citizens to help build a "harmonious society."
[QUOTE=Intransit]
Jan 17, 2008
BEIJING -- A government campaign targeting China's karaoke parlors will try to stamp out the selling of sex and drugs and the use of unlicensed music, the Ministry of Culture said.[/QUOTE]
god, feel sorry for all those suckers coming over looking for the time of their lives and they will be facing a sterile ( no fun ) Beijing.
[QUOTE=Ragnarok42]god, feel sorry for all those suckers coming over looking for the time of their lives and they will be facing a sterile ( no fun ) Beijing.[/QUOTE]
You are right Rag , they are suckers if they go near BJ . WTF , we have all been talking about staying away from Beijing , I hope they get it now with the post before yours.
I think the pussy is the same east , west and south. We just need to stay away from the North for awhile.
stay safe and take care.
tile man
Hi gents,
I've been lurking around this sirte for some time now, and yes, I've RTFF!!
Thing I'm wondering is - do any of you guys hit the KTV's on your own?
Can anyone explain how these places work if you go as a single guy?
Cheers
CB
Chubby Badger:
Many KTVs have a large common room where you can just sit at a table by yourself, rather than in a big private room. Some even have a floor show. The mommies will bring the girls for you to select a companion under the same terms as if you were in a KTV room. The minimum is usually much less than the rooms. On the other hand, many KTVs also have small room for only 2 people.
OAH
[QUOTE=Chubby Badger]Hi gents,
I've been lurking around this sirte for some time now, and yes, I've RTFF!!
Thing I'm wondering is - do any of you guys hit the KTV's on your own?
Can anyone explain how these places work if you go as a single guy?
Cheers
CB[/QUOTE]
I'm amazed by all the great pictures some of you guys get. I don't know how you do it.
Last time I was in China any mention of pictures/video while hobbying and the girl would get really paranoid and look like she wanted to bail. Based on what I know of chinese culture, this is especially difficult in China.
I'm sure this has been asked before and I've been searching the forums for advice on this topic but I haven't been successful in finding anything.
Can anyone give advice on how to do this?
Do you get them to agree to it before, during, or after bargaining?
Or do you just pull out the camera in the middle of things and go to town?
This is amazing. Citing violation of intellectual property while closing down KTVs is a political masterstroke. Placates two camps of critics at the same time. They even throw in "drugs" for good measure. All market participants are well advised to collect phone numbers for discreet incall during the lean times ahead. (I had only limited exposure to KTVs, but at the ones I was, singing was not high up on the agenda.)
[QUOTE=Intransit]China to clean up karaoke parlors
Associated Press
Jan 17, 2008
BEIJING -- A government campaign targeting China's karaoke parlors will try to stamp out the selling of sex and drugs and the use of unlicensed music, the Ministry of Culture said.
The "Sunshine Project," which began Monday, comes as the Chinese capital prepares to welcome hundreds of thousands of visitors for the Beijing Olympics this summer. Chinese leaders, who see the games as a chance to show off a modern, thriving country, have taken great pains to ensure that the event is flawless.
The ministry said on its Web site Tuesday that the initiative would run through 2010 and target the 200,000 "entertainment enterprises" in China, though it mentioned only karaoke parlors specifically.
Karaoke is extremely popular among Chinese, who sing in parlors ranging from glittering multistory complexes to roadside mom-and-pop operations. In the past, most played unlicensed versions of songs but that has been on the wane in recent years as Beijing has increasingly cracked down on the practice.
China is a leading source of pirated copies of music, movies and other goods. While entertainment enterprises boost consumer spending and provide jobs and tax revenue, "some are unlicensed and in some, illegal activities such as sex, gambling and drugs are taking place," the Ministry of Culture said in an apparent reference to the many massage parlors that double as brothels.
Protection of intellectual property rights was also lacking, it added. The ministry did not give details on how the campaign would be carried out, but said it would strengthen supervision of the industry and give "sunshine" certifications to businesses that followed regulations, provided good service and used only licensed products.
The campaign will be carried out by several government departments, including the Public Security Bureau and the Ministry of Health. It follows a call by the ruling Communist Party for citizens to help build a "harmonious society."[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]Chubby Badger:
Many KTVs have a large common room where you can just sit at a table by yourself, rather than in a big private room. Some even have a floor show. The mommies will bring the girls for you to select a companion under the same terms as if you were in a KTV room. The minimum is usually much less than the rooms. On the other hand, many KTVs also have small room for only 2 people.
OAH[/QUOTE]
Yes - I've sat at the large main room many a times either by myself or even with some friends when I first go to a K-OK that I'm not familiar with.
I would sit down and get the actual low down on the place i.e. pricing of the gals, minimum, cover charge, facilities, discounts on rooms at the hotel where a lot of these K-OK's are (or next to), what other action is offered (some of these places/mommas/assistant managers/PR manager etc also operates Saunas, take outs, BBS or whatever), how safe the place and accomodation facilities are (usually the higher the number of stars assigned for the hotel, the safer they are against raids by the LE as well as by nefarious factions).
On top of that, I think I can get a sort of "feel" of the place by sitting at the main lounge as I can observe the gals, the management AND the customers to such a feel. I mean if the gals passing you by (when they get ushered by their mommas for showing or when they go off to the toilet or use their phone outside of their assigned rooms etc) are dogs, and if the other customers looks as if they've got other things on their mind other than partying or get too boisterous (Hmmm.... how do I feel that?) or the staff do not go clickety clag and instead just hang around - then I can feel that the place ain't where I would like to spend the rest of the evening at or pay a return visit to. If on the other hand the staff flits like butterflies, the gals exude beauty and charm from 30 feet away and the clients walking in and out are nicely inebriated and glows with a feel good aura - and yup that's the place I would stay longer/return to.
Worse come to worse, it also could be the cheapest way I could make my choice of a gal and zoom off to the land of nirvana without wasting time, money, drinking/dice/hand game prowess ..... and my melodious singing talent (No NO NO!! you're hurting my ears and music sensibilities. Stop it, stop it, stop singing!!!)
SE Asia Joe
BEIJING (Reuters) - China shut down 44,000 Web sites and homepages and arrested 868 people last year in a campaign against Internet porn which will continue until the end of this year's Beijing Olympics, Xinhua news agency said on Wednesday.
China launched a crackdown on online pornography and "unhealthy" Web content after Chinese President Hu Jintao said the country's sprawling Internet posed a threat to social stability.
Rights groups have said the campaign has been used as a thinly veiled pretext to crack down on dissent and round up online dissidents ahead of the Olympics.
Xinhua said authorities had also investigated 524 criminal cases involving online porn and "penalized" another 1,911 people.
Some 440,000 "pornographic messages" had also been deleted, the agency said.
China has attempted to stifle online criticism of the ruling Communist Party and discussion related to sensitive topics such as Tibet and Taiwan by ordering Web sites to register with authorities.
Authorities registered 199,000 Web sites last year, Xinhua said, but refused 14,000 for failing to get official registration or to apply for official approval.
China employs tens of thousands of human Internet censors and a vast network of filters to control online information.
The anti-pornography campaign would continue until September, Xinhua said, "after the Beijing Olympic Games end".
China last month said it would crack down on video-sharing Web sites, and allow only state-controlled sites to post video content online in new restrictions effective from January 31.
(Reporting by Ian Ransom; Editing by Nick Macfie and Alex Richardson)
[QUOTE=Weelock]Like I said many times before, mongering in China just before Chinese New Year's is BAD. Chinese New Year's is a 3-4 week celebration.
Reasons:
1. Most girls go home for the hoilday.
2. More LE.
3. It's colder during this time, girls wear more and cover up.
4. Hotels are more expensive.
5. Transporation is higher too. Buses and trains charge more during this period.
6. Some businesses like resturant are closed
7. It's year of the RAT. People born as a RAT are Richard Nixon, George W. Bush, Al Gore, George Washington, Jimmy Carter,
Humm, it looks like our current President is a RAT.[/QUOTE]
8. They'll all - and I mean ALL - be badgering you to give them Lucky Money red packets
9. If you're lucky enough to get a girl, she will either have the blues for not being able to spend CNY at home or else be trying to charge you more.
10. You'll either have broken ear drums or burns from all the fire crackers.
11. You'll feel like shit as you're not yourself at home!
I think I'll go home!
SE Asia Joe
You don't always have to rent a ktv room or even buy a drink. Just ask to see the girls and ask how much to take her out.
[QUOTE=Weelock]Like I said many times before, mongering in China just before Chinese New Year's is BAD. Chinese New Year's is a 3-4 week celebration.
Reasons:
1. Most girls go home for the hoilday.
2. More LE.
3. It's colder during this time, girls wear more and cover up.
4. Hotels are more expensive.
5. Transporation is higher too. Buses and trains charge more during this period.
6. Some businesses like resturant are closed
7. It's year of the RAT. People born as a RAT are Richard Nixon, George W. Bush, Al Gore, George Washington, Jimmy Carter,
Humm, it looks like our current President is a RAT.[/QUOTE]Weelock,
This year is bad before Chinese New Year but I was in China last yr and 2 yr ago there are many girl in CP and shenzhen most girl don't go home because of high ticket cost and the one in the north don't want to go home is just too cold, The crack down is bad this yr I never see it so bad don't think it will get any better until after the 2008 Bejing game there are crack down every where in China.
Fast eddie 48
I made it my New Year Resolution to fuck more women (as I have been somewhat busy with a girlfriend in 2007) so was looking through some of Eaglestar's postings as I have limited hunting time these days so thought Asia Friend Finder might be worth a look.
In my search I found a great article ES posted which I thought warrented a second posting for those who have not read it:
[url]http://www.smh.com.au/news/relationships/infidelity-is-just-human/2007/12/18/1197740361847.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1[/url]
Hits the nail on the head nicely.
Thanks ES!
I do have a Chinese GF back here in the states. She is a Doctor , has money and always insist that I don't spend money on her. This thinking is rare for me with Mainland Chinese women and USA women that I have dated in the past. I don't always listen to her because I enjoy giving more when its not wanted or expected.
My question is.......... Do Chinese women expect a gift for the New Year? I hate Christmas because we are expected to give gifts. I prefer to give gifts 24/7/365 when I feel the desire , but is Chinese New Year different? What is the culture for giving. I hope you ABC's and others call help me. Thanks.
take care and be safe
tile man
[QUOTE=Tile Man4]......My question is.......... Do Chinese women expect a gift for the New Year?......[/QUOTE]
From my experience, no. But if you're gonna visit her family, you better get something.
[QUOTE=Juno Audio]From my experience, no. But if you're gonna visit her family, you better get something.[/QUOTE]
If she grew up in the states, i would totally agreed. nothing unless you are going to visit her family for CNY. If not a card to her family would be nice.
I remember reading about it here but searching AFF generates too many hits. So, I am in China now and can no longer access Asian Friend Finder. Is there a way around this problem?
[QUOTE=Loveasiangirls]I remember reading about it here but searching AFF generates too many hits. So, I am in China now and can no longer access Asian Friend Finder. Is there a way around this problem?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://asianfriendfinder.com/[/url]
LAG, you should consider to pay for a membership here. I tried to reply to you, but your account does not accept private messages.
I will give you a break and answer publicly, since this might be a more common question. I think (when in China) you need to go to FriendFinder.com (not AsianFriendFinder.com; and not AsiaFriendFinder.com).
Dar
[QUOTE=Loveasiangirls]I remember reading about it here but searching AFF generates too many hits. So, I am in China now and can no longer access Asian Friend Finder. Is there a way around this problem?[/QUOTE]
Actually DAR your are right and if LAG would just RTFF it has been explained many times, by me two or three and more by others. A simple search works wonders.
One more time....
Asia Friend Finder can be accessed by using Chinese Friend Finder.
The full URL is below.
[url]http://chinesefriendfinder.com/go/lang/english.html?who=UmFuZG9tSVbllQFrQPlVctnSBptwq2hvLjjhpCxxt9RmHqWRcg1AFMdMLTcTR0qFjlhdy40zrAhg5bggmDKCUMOdYq0iFFKPWNkbKu2pV2uQomEOGmygAFvWnlArbKaFFaYREtsRxaZOcoZHod90LwbXtmEoq2XKu4y2zqVLmthnN7g2MVQlrucFCqMymYLpK1IhaTjJKJidv_nUp2DaODpOW/PoL3jZ&site=ffz&dcb=chinesefriendfinder[/url]
Fourgotten, you also did not pay for a membership on here. You know it's cheap, like $20 USD (10 EU) for a 1 year membership so you can receive private messages and view photos on here.
Sorry everyone if I sound like Jackson's *****, but there is common sense in asking questions vs contrubuting to the board. Getting a membership gives you a lot more information and helps keep this board supported for all of us.
OK, I wil SHARE with you the ways I have used to get nude photos.
1) I never negotiate this with the mommy. Mommies always lie. You'll get the girl back to your hotel and she'll claim that mommy never told her it was part of the deal. Now what do you do? Remember, some Mommies will tell you the girl is BBBJ and/or CIM, when in fact she isn't.
2) Most of the time I simply ask the girl if I can take some photos of her when we are alone. Some girls agree to it, some do not want it. If she does not, then I do not. Sometimes you can be smart(er) and start by taking photos of her with her clothes on... most girls like to THINK they are beautiful, you know. That is your foot in the door.....
3) Sometimes I have let her take nude photos of me (with my camera), or photos of only her hand on my dick. It's only her hand... no one will know it's HER hand (very 'safe' photos in her opinion; I am the one taking the 'risk'). This can make some girls feel more bold to pose for other and more naughty photos later. Some girls will allow nude photos, only if you keep their face out of the photos, and other do not mind their face is in the photo. I simply just start with simple photos and work on getting them horny and see if they want to pose for more naughty photos. This can be MUCH easier if you've taken them to a disco or bar and have gotten them drunk before taking them to your hotel. In fact some girls loved posting for the most naughty photos this way (PLY them with alcohol!).
4) Sometimes I negotiated LongTime (10pm - 8am) with a girl. At 3am, she is making excuses and wants to leave. This is a BAD situation, because for one thing you know service from 3am - 8am is going to be bad. For another thing, you know you can not sleep very with an unhappy girl (because as soon as you fall asleep you are worried she will leave and STEAL all of your pants or your laptop computer or such). So, now SHE is wanting to leave, you want to let her go, but you do not want to be a dumb guy and simply let her cheat you on your agreement.
I am not joking.... I have sometimes used this situation to tell the girl, "OK.... I will let you go IF you pose for 15 nude photos for me, and 1 more BBB... this will take just 30 minutes and you can leave and go home!". Interestingly, some of the girls agree to this!! She is happy to leave you 30 minutes later, and when she leaves you can then finally get a GOOD few hours of sleep alone without worrying of her leaving early or trying to steal things from you (and you have nude photos of her!!!).
5) I will admit I'm not always the sweetest man. At times I have taken photos of a handful of girls when they were sleeping in my bed. They did not know I was taking photos, but I did.
I think guys like LOSO are also very upfront/honest about taking photos. Most women value their beauty, so if you can make them feel beautiful, many of them will pose for photos of some sort.
Dar
[QUOTE=Fourgotten]I'm amazed by all the great pictures some of you guys get. I don't know how you do it.
Last time I was in China any mention of pictures/video while hobbying and the girl would get really paranoid and look like she wanted to bail. Based on what I know of chinese culture, this is especially difficult in China.
I'm sure this has been asked before and I've been searching the forums for advice on this topic but I haven't been successful in finding anything.
Can anyone give advice on how to do this?
Do you get them to agree to it before, during, or after bargaining?
Or do you just pull out the camera in the middle of things and go to town?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Dar425]
-cut-.
I think guys like LOSO are also very upfront/honest about taking photos. Most women value their beauty, so if you can make them feel beautiful, many of them will pose for photos of some sort.
Dar[/QUOTE]
I recall reading LOSO had some problems AFTER taking girls back to his room. Some girls refused to take any type of pictures. He thought it was part of the package but it is not always the case. He then kicked the girl out and didn't pay her. He then quickly went back and try to get another girl from the same mome. Since he doesn't speak any Chinese, there were some problems later with the girls and momes . It was a big misunderstanding.
Star apologizes to six artists in 1,300 racy internet photos
Damon Pang
Tuesday, February 05, 2008
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Singer and actor Edison Chen Koon- hei, embroiled in an internet porn scandal, yesterday apologized to those who may have been affected by the posting of compromising nude photographs - and called on the public not to further circulate such pictures to allow the victims to heal their wounds.
For the first time in the scandal, which purportedly involves Hong Kong pop and movie stars, Chen also confirmed he was assisting the police with their inquiries into the case. Chen's apology, which was contained in a video released by his lawyer, came as police said they had uncovered more than 1,300 pictures involving six women, two of whom had yet to be identified.
In the video, Chen said he was "hurt, pained and perplexed" that a number of people's lives had been affected.
He urged internet users not to transfer the pictures anymore so as to help those affected heal their wounds. He said he had been cooperating with police since the saga erupted but that he could not comment further since there was now the possibility the case could end up in court.
Assistant Commissioner of Police (Crime) Vincent Wong Fook-chuen said the source of the pictures had been traced. But he would not confirm reports they had been taken from Chen's computer.
"The source of the case has been found. We believe very much that [it was] because of [someone taking his] computer for repairs and that others had, via illegal means, taken out the [obscene] information," he said.
He added whether the pictures were authentic or not is now the focus of police investigation.
The 23-year-old man arrested in Central last Saturday will be charged with the dishonest use of computers with criminal intent, which has a maximum penalty of five years' jail. The man will appear in Eastern Court today.
Wong said of the six women found in the photographs, two were not known to them - but he was certain that no overseas artistes were involved. None of the women were named.
People who had only transferred the obscene picture files to friends had not violated the law, but those who transferred them to the public - for example via internet web pages - were breaking the law, said Wong.
He said there were three clauses relating to the possession of obscene material that constitute a violation of the law, namely: publishing obscene material; possession for publishing; and inserting obscene material for publishing. He also maintained the police had not used excessive manpower as the whole case had been handled by 19 men from the Commercial Crime Bureau.
He said those unhappy with the eight-week detention of the first person detained in the case, 29-year-old Chung Yik-tin, can appeal through normal procedures.
Wong said it may not be necessary for all those affected in the case to appear in court in the future, though the police will contact the six women "if there is a chance to do so."
Wong urged anyone whose nude pictures had been posted on the internet to report to the police.
"In my 20-plus years as a policeman, I have not come across such an issue," Wong said in response to questions as to why police had not acted against other obscene photos circulating on the internet.
[QUOTE=Wapec]Star apologizes to six artists in 1,300 racy internet photos
.[/QUOTE]
And for those curious as to what this is all about, the link - which I hope Jackson will allow - if not, pls pm me
[url]http://www.hollywoodgrind.com/index.php?s=edison[/url]
SE Asia
I believe I had already replied some time a go to similar question, but maybe it is worthwhile to repeat.
a. Freebie
Usually they always agree to take pics, after some time we know each other and I have gained their trust. So, I can take all kind of pics I want. Some don’t want face taken though.
To some extent, as Dar425 well said, it is also a way to please their ego.
b. P4P
When I bring a girl back to my place, I never talk in advance about pics.
Usually, I keep camera on the table, like a discrete but visible presence.
When they notice it, some of the girls ask me to take pics. They like to pose like models, dressed or naked it doesn’t matter. Sex shots ? Who cares, they are in the game already.
Otherwise, after some time I take camera and gently ask if I can take pics, maybe offering some extra money when I perceive this can be the key.
In many cases, I take short video clips with camera and, as flash doesn’t work, some girls don’t even understand I am taking a video.
You know, some girls really transform when camera appear. Level of alcohol in their blood is not important at all.
Last, but not least, to prove ego plays an important role, some of the girls want to see pics/video immediately on computer, Therefore, I have to stop sex (and in some cases lose erection :-< ) to show my work. In case they are dissatisfied, they want to repeat pose or act, like a in a real movie.
I remember very little refusals when I have asked a girl to take pics.
[QUOTE=Fourgotten]I'm amazed by all the great pictures some of you guys get. I don't know how you do it.
...
Can anyone give advice on how to do this?
...
[/QUOTE]
P.S. If he doesn’t pay for membership, how he can see pics in ISG ?
[QUOTE=Dar425]Fourgotten, you also did not pay for a membership on here. You know it's cheap, like $20 USD (10 EU) for a 1 year membership so you can receive private messages and view photos on here. [/QUOTE]
Not about mongering, so skip if you want to.
Went to a dentist in Zhuhai and had my teeth cleaned. Told him about the sensitivity or mild pain I feel when I drink cold drinks. He took an x-ray, told me I had periodontal disease and I needed some kind of surgery to fix it. I declined. He cleaned my teeth.
Next day I arrived in the Philippines and went to a dentist. She looked at the x-ray and examed my teeth. She said I did NOT have periodontal disease and that my teeth only needed cleaning. She said there is plaque under the gums around the teeth. She was shocked when I told her that I had my teeth cleaned by a chinese dentist only yesterday.
Two days later the sensitivity is already gone.
She also told me to use Sensodyne toothpaste and a good quality soft brush. She said, "do not use hotel brushes and abrasive hotel toothpaste.
Going to Chang Ping a month or so.
What is best place to find BBBJ aside from sauna?
Thanks
I live in Japan, but I've been going to China for sales calls recently and I haven't figured out how to tell if the people I take out for business dinners or KTV would be up for saunas or the more raunchy KTVs?
Is there a secret handshake? What do you do to feel them out?
[QUOTE=Spooje]I live in Japan, but I've been going to China for sales calls recently and I haven't figured out how to tell if the people I take out for business dinners or KTV would be up for saunas or the more raunchy KTVs?
Is there a secret handshake? What do you do to feel them out?[/QUOTE]
A couple of basic issues: first, when you go to dinner are there any female clients in the group? Do they go with you to KTV? If so, then do not expect anything funny to happen. If the female clients get seperated from the group after dinner, and you go to KTV, is it one where they have girls? If so, then your clients are probably just waiting to see your reaction. Maybe make a comment like "I hear / have read on the internet that sometimes these KTVs can get crazy!" If they play dumb then you may be out of luck. Something I have noticed is that different levels of executives do not like to "party" with higher/lower levels. This may require taking the boss out seperatly one night for KTV, and then the worker-bees out another night. Neither group will be able to turly relax around the other. Choose one of the group with which you feel the most confortable and ask him for his opinion. He might suggest taking the whole group, or just a sub-group.
I have also found that you need to be very familiar with a client before you take them to a sauna. Yes, business is done in saunas all the time, but this is a bigger step than taking them to dinner or KTV.
I hope this information helps!
Sammy
[QUOTE=Sammy_T]A couple of basic issues: first, when you go to dinner are there any female clients in the group? Do they go with you to KTV? If so, then do not expect anything funny to happen. If the female clients get seperated from the group after dinner, and you go to KTV, is it one where they have girls? If so, then your clients are probably just waiting to see your reaction. Maybe make a comment like "I hear / have read on the internet that sometimes these KTVs can get crazy!" If they play dumb then you may be out of luck. Something I have noticed is that different levels of executives do not like to "party" with higher/lower levels. This may require taking the boss out seperatly one night for KTV, and then the worker-bees out another night. Neither group will be able to turly relax around the other. Choose one of the group with which you feel the most confortable and ask him for his opinion. He might suggest taking the whole group, or just a sub-group.[/QUOTE]Thanks it helps some. It's usually me inviting people to KTVs, so far I've kept it clean, but I could find some with girls (I RTFF). It's more of a, I can't tell when I'm expected to invite them to get girls, kind of thing.
I'm going to have to pay more attention to reactions to subtle hints.
[QUOTE=Spooje]I live in Japan, but I've been going to China for sales calls recently and I haven't figured out how to tell if the people I take out for business dinners or KTV would be up for saunas or the more raunchy KTVs?
Is there a secret handshake? What do you do to feel them out?[/QUOTE]
When you say people my man , do you mean men , women or both? If only men , I would say most Chinese men will go out and play the game with you. If women and men and you have your eye on one of the women , then give her the eye and smile. Work on her and fuck the money machine KTV. Chinese men and women talk with their eyes. This is sexy to them and very flattering.
Why bother with the rest and waste your money with KTV , because I am sure you will pick up the bill. Yes, you must build guanxi (relationships) with the Chinese men if you want to do business. Play both ends of the candle and try not to get burned. Do your business and get laid too.
Good luck , take care and be safe.
tile man
[QUOTE=LA Dude]Going to Chang Ping a month or so.
What is best place to find BBBJ aside from sauna?
Thanks[/QUOTE]
Why don't you post this question in the Dongguan thread?
The best place for a BBBJ is in your hotel room, provided you are lucky enough to find a gal willing to do it.
-CPE
Perhaps I'm the last to know, but:
Over the past years its been difficult to buy a PC or notebook in China with a legitimate English language OS. Last week I bought a notebook computer in Shanghai with Vista preloaded, the shop assistant told me the language was flexible. He set the machine up in English for me, great. One small snag, Vista Premium only.
fz
[QUOTE=Fuzimiao]Perhaps I'm the last to know, but:
Over the past years its been difficult to buy a PC or notebook in China with a legitimate English language OS. Last week I bought a notebook computer in Shanghai with Vista preloaded, the shop assistant told me the language was flexible. He set the machine up in English for me, great. One small snag, Vista Premium only.
fz[/QUOTE]
From legitmate, I assume you mean not counterfeit? I bought my desktop a year ago in Shenzhen with English Windows XP pre-installed in it. I bought Windows Vista in English about 6 months ago for 8 rmb, works like a champ, its certified and I get all the updates no problem.
-CPE
Sammy,
You have made some very good points, especially about certain high level executives not wanting to monger with their subordinates. I have encountered this many times.
I often find myself in these precarious situations not knowing if a client is keen on mongering or not. It works both ways. The client may be hesitant to ask you about mongering opportunities, as well. I also try to drop subtle hints without being too direct and watch for signals from the client. This way I can back off if I get the feeling that the client is not game.
Just my POV.
OAH
[QUOTE=Sammy_T]A couple of basic issues: first, when you go to dinner are there any female clients in the group? Do they go with you to KTV? If so, then do not expect anything funny to happen. If the female clients get seperated from the group after dinner, and you go to KTV, is it one where they have girls? If so, then your clients are probably just waiting to see your reaction. Maybe make a comment like "I hear / have read on the internet that sometimes these KTVs can get crazy!" If they play dumb then you may be out of luck. Something I have noticed is that different levels of executives do not like to "party" with higher/lower levels. This may require taking the boss out seperatly one night for KTV, and then the worker-bees out another night. Neither group will be able to turly relax around the other. Choose one of the group with which you feel the most confortable and ask him for his opinion. He might suggest taking the whole group, or just a sub-group.
I have also found that you need to be very familiar with a client before you take them to a sauna. Yes, business is done in saunas all the time, but this is a bigger step than taking them to dinner or KTV.
I hope this information helps!
Sammy[/QUOTE]
I agree with all your points.
Personally, I prefer to refrain from trying to monger with business partners/customers, just to avoid embarassing situation of me misunderstanding their signals and proposing something they are not interested in, or simply just ashamed to do with me.
However, when they play open game and invite me, picture changes and it is up to me to decide.
In the past, in some cases, I had accepted.
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]Sammy,
You have made some very good points, especially about certain high level executives not wanting to monger with their subordinates. I have encountered this many times.
I often find myself in these precarious situations not knowing if a client is keen on mongering or not. It works both ways. The client may be hesitant to ask you about mongering opportunities, as well. I also try to drop subtle hints without being too direct and watch for signals from the client. This way I can back off if I get the feeling that the client is not game.
Just my POV.
OAH[/QUOTE]
Since a few days, I do not have access to ISG on the Internet anymore. Living in China, I am afraid this is part of the current crackdown before the olympics. Does anyone have a similar experience?
Wonderer
P.S. Currently, I am connected through an anonymous proxy. This is why I still can write this message..
[QUOTE=Wonderer]Since a few days, I do not have access to ISG on the Internet anymore. Living in China, I am afraid this is part of the current crackdown before the olympics. Does anyone have a similar experience?
Wonderer
P.S. Currently, I am connected through an anonymous proxy. This is why I still can write this message..[/QUOTE]
I am living in Chang Ping (CP) no problems accessing ISG here.
-CPE
[QUOTE=Wonderer]Since a few days, I do not have access to ISG on the Internet anymore. Living in China, I am afraid this is part of the current crackdown before the olympics. Does anyone have a similar experience?
Wonderer
P.S. Currently, I am connected through an anonymous proxy. This is why I still can write this message..[/QUOTE]I am in Beijing and had also some problems to log-in the last few days, but today it works again.
[QUOTE=TenthFloor]I am in Beijing and had also some problems to log-in the last few days, but today it works again.[/QUOTE]
Same here - had trouble accessing ISG from my office computer in Beijing last week, but it is better today. Even when I had trouble I was always able to access the site via GPRS over my China Mobile phone.
[QUOTE=Sammy_T]Same here - had trouble accessing ISG from my office computer in Beijing last week, but it is better today. Even when I had trouble I was always able to access the site via GPRS over my China Mobile phone.[/QUOTE]
Same here in Beijing. No problems.
Some pointers:
- ISG sometimes has access problems, no matter where you are. They appear to be routing problems to Johnson's server, which appears to be somewhere in Toronto, Canada.
- The fabled "Great Firewall of China" actually is many firewalls. Most blocking is going on on the ISP level. What is blocked at one ISP, may be accessible through the other. As the (summarily blocked) Wikipedia says: "The banning appears to be mostly uncoordinated and ad hoc, with some sites being blocked and similar sites being allowed or even blocked in one city and allowed in another."
- As Sammy said, the GPRS connection appears one of the more lenient. Also, when the undersea cables were out, GPRS was the only halfway reliable connection. There is a slightly fasther 1x CDMA available in some markets, but compared to 3G in other countries, it's a dog.
Generally speaking, if you want to avoid ISG to be blocked, avoid political discussions. Nobody cares about sex talk between laoweis. We (mostly) are guests in this country and should observe their rules.
I've had some ISG logging on problems here in BJ over the past few days. Over now, obviously. I think it's just random stuff, nothing coordinated. As Zhuren says, stick to the girls and avoid politics and all will be plain sailing. The authorities don't give a stuff what a bunch of laowais get up to online as long as its not subversive. And anyway, we're making our own little contribution to the local economy.
Ok, thanks guys! Apparently, I only had to raise the question, and then my connection to ISG is back again...! Which also raises some questions.
But let's assume it's pure coincidence.
I definitely stick to the real topic of this forum and will leave all politics out you can see this in my posts. Why at all should we discuss politics here? There are many more interesting things to talk about...!
Wonderer - who is happy that ISG is back
Not reall sure where to post this, but of interest.
[url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-admits-that-cases-of-hivaids-have-risen-45-per-cent-786175.html[/url]
News report from this morning. Numbers don't really change in the grand scheme but greater local awareness is good news for all.
WGS
Might be good for a laugh
[url]http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/ynkmdali/product-detailDqxQmREzDaWg/China-Chinese-Viogra.html[/url]
Anybody else heard that recently certain types of visas, like 6-month F-visas aren't being issued anymore? I talked to a guy at a visa office and he told me that since last Thursday it has been next to impossible to get visas for China that are longer than 30 days.
[QUOTE=Phil1980]Anybody else heard that recently certain types of visas, like 6-month F-visas aren't being issued anymore? I talked to a guy at a visa office and he told me that since last Thursday it has been next to impossible to get visas for China that are longer than 30 days.[/QUOTE]
The crackdown against shady visa operations, and the stricter enforcement of the rules has been going on for a while. The loophole of longer-term F visa is closed for most. It's generally viewed as a pre-Olympics cleanup operation.
[QUOTE=Zhuren]The crackdown against shady visa operations, and the stricter enforcement of the rules has been going on for a while. The loophole of longer-term F visa is closed for most. It's generally viewed as a pre-Olympics cleanup operation.[/QUOTE]
Do you think this will change in the next two months? The thing is I have some business in China that was going to last four months and a one-way ticket there, wondering whether I should reduce it to 30 days instead and buy a return ticket now.
I'm an anarchist and hate every state, but this shit really adds to that feeling.
[QUOTE=Phil1980]Do you think this will change in the next two months? The thing is I have some business in China that was going to last four months and a one-way ticket there, wondering whether I should reduce it to 30 days instead and buy a return ticket now.[/QUOTE]
It will most definitely NOT change within the next two months.
All you need to do is get a multiple entry visa. Go to HK for a day at the end of the 30 day period ... or, even better, to UB. Have some fun. Re-enter. Another 30day period.
"Business that lasts 4 months" sounds like WORK. If that's really the case, get real, get a Z Visa.
One way tiickets usually are a waste of money. Get a (much cheaper) return ticket, even if it means throwing away the other coupon.
[QUOTE=Zhuren]All you need to do is get a multiple entry visa.[/QUOTE]
1. Do you need a visa to go to Mongolia? Hong Kong and Macau no visa is needed.
2. Are there short-term multiple entry visas? I know of two-time entry visas, multiple being more than two.
[QUOTE=Phil1980]1. Do you need a visa to go to Mongolia? Hong Kong and Macau no visa is needed. .[/QUOTE]
Maybe, maybe not. Depends on who you are, where you come from, and what you are going to do: [url]http://www.un.int/mongolia/usvisa.htm[/url] - for US citizens only ....
Wait, you are German, you definitely need a visa: [url]http://www.botschaft-mongolei.de/PDFdaten/visa_antrag.pdf[/url]
[QUOTE=Phil1980]2. Are there short-term multiple entry visas? I know of two-time entry visas, multiple being more than two.[/QUOTE]
Yes. There are F visas with (M)ultiple entries. You used to have to work your ways towards them: Get a two entry F. Travel. Get another one. Travel. Say Hi to your consular officer who's seen you twice before now and say, as much as you like him, it would make things much easier if he'd issue you a (M)ultiple entry visa. You may be able to convince him now to give you a (M)ultiple with 90 days stay ... maybe, maybe not.
The process can be done & repeated in HK .....
Going back through your posts, it sounds as if you have been in China many times. If it was all legit, you should have worked your way up to a coveted F/M visa. On the other hand, someone with such vast knowledge of (and some strong opinions about) this country should know the simple rules of a Chinese visa. And rule #1 is: Don't use a visa agency. DIY.
China is quiet simple in relation to sex, barber shops/saloon shope, RMB 150(some will say 200 when see foreigner by 150 is the going rate) in some areal wven down to RMB120 but RMB 150 is standard so not rel point in haggle. This will get you 1 shot, in the saloon in small cubical or delivered to your hotel, just carr your hotel card and write your room number on it. Languag friendly.
Sauna.
RMB 400 for 2-3 hours off ful attention, BJ in shower, full massage, full sex in various positions multimle times-as much as you can stand. Lots of new thinkgs can be tried, just say no if you don't like, ass licking, ice cues, ect. Ontop of this is the RMB 200 pending sauna establishment and their room type.
In 5star hotels the girls rate maybe from RMB 500 to RMB 800 with RMB 300+ for the room. Better quality girls
The there is 1 girl + assistant (3 girls) but only sex with one RMB 500 or RMB 600 with sex with both (prices changes pending single girl charge)
Then there is the RMB 50-100 extra for the taller girl (model) not reall model looks always.
Foot massage/body massage girls, you can get extras from them in the room or back in your hotel but not always helps if you know the ingo,
KTV, simply RMB 200 to sit with you in bar you can touch and get hard on nothing else- one shot RMB 500 overnight RMB 800 + the table/drink, usually there is min charge/table spend for the table or room.
KTV girls usually less experianced apart from the odd few- older ones aremoe fun.
Sauna on average girls have 6-12 cusomers per day, so to get the fresh girls, go 1st thing when they open or 1-2 pm, or get the slightly chubbier girls size 12 + as the locals go for the slimmer gire and the biggers girls are more egar to please, some will tyr to say extra for x2 sex no its all included in the price, if tey do this and your not happy, tell the mamasun the girl will get fined. Shes just after your wonga.
[QUOTE=Officexp]China is quiet simple in relation to sex [/QUOTE]
Thank you for clearing that up.
Everybody also for sure is very grateful for the definitive pricing schedule that applies to all of China.
[QUOTE=Zhuren]Thank you for clearing that up.
Everybody also for sure is very grateful for the definitive pricing schedule that applies to all of China.[/QUOTE]
Hehehe, maybe I should take a print-out with me and show the Sauna bosses here in Shanghai next time and claiming, that they are definitely not allowed to charge more than the ultimative prices fixed by Officexp (i might risk to find myself on the street very quickly, with a strong mark of their shoe sole on my butt).
Levitian
[QUOTE=Officexp]China is quiet simple in relation to sex, barber shops/saloon shope, RMB 150(some will say 200 when see foreigner by 150 is the going rate) in some areal wven down to RMB120 but RMB 150 is standard so not rel point in haggle. This will get you 1 shot, in the saloon in small cubical or delivered to your hotel, just carr your hotel card and write your room number on it. Languag friendly.
Sauna.
RMB 400 for 2-3 hours off ful attention, BJ in shower, full massage, full sex in various positions multimle times-as much as you can stand. Lots of new thinkgs can be tried, just say no if you don't like, ass licking, ice cues, ect. Ontop of this is the RMB 200 pending sauna establishment and their room type.
In 5star hotels the girls rate maybe from RMB 500 to RMB 800 with RMB 300+ for the room. Better quality girls
The there is 1 girl + assistant (3 girls) but only sex with one RMB 500 or RMB 600 with sex with both (prices changes pending single girl charge)
Then there is the RMB 50-100 extra for the taller girl (model) not reall model looks always.
Foot massage/body massage girls, you can get extras from them in the room or back in your hotel but not always helps if you know the ingo,
KTV, simply RMB 200 to sit with you in bar you can touch and get hard on nothing else- one shot RMB 500 overnight RMB 800 + the table/drink, usually there is min charge/table spend for the table or room.
KTV girls usually less experianced apart from the odd few- older ones aremoe fun.
Sauna on average girls have 6-12 cusomers per day, so to get the fresh girls, go 1st thing when they open or 1-2 pm, or get the slightly chubbier girls size 12 + as the locals go for the slimmer gire and the biggers girls are more egar to please, some will tyr to say extra for x2 sex no its all included in the price, if tey do this and your not happy, tell the mamasun the girl will get fined. Shes just after your wonga.[/QUOTE]
Officexp - whilst your intentions are probably quite good - that of trying to simplify the pricing structure in China etc - I would like to point out that you are instead probably doing quite a bit of disservice to us punters - especially those 'newbies" (whether Newbie in the literal sense or a location newbie) - who are trying to find out what is the actual proper pricing. And I really hope that you do not think that I am flaming you etc. but I believe that someone does need to set the record straight.
Anyway....
China is a huge country and even within one particular locality - prices Vary and vary greatly! In just about every Chinese city, the prices for say a KTV would be anywhere from 1-3-7 to as high as 5-15-20, whilst saunas can vary from RMB138 FS (or even lower) at some grotty places to as high as 1,500 if you are not careful. BBS? Well, you can consider the catacombs at RMB30/shot to as high as RMB4 or even 500 at the more selexctive and upscale places in the major cities. And howzabout all 'em RMB3,000 mongolians that some punters in BJ pays?
In other words - pricing is all over the place and the only way to determine if you ARE getting the correct/fair pricing is to ALWAYS ask beforehand and even try to bargain it down a bit. And also, be VERY CAREFUL about going into rip off places i.e. thousand and tens of thousands for a few drinks, or one POP with a scam gal or worse, getting robbed whilst in the pursuit of nookie. and yes, scam, crime and whatever DOES also happen in China.
[QUOTE=Zhuren]Thank you for clearing that up.
"Everybody also for sure is very grateful for the definitive pricing schedule that applies to all of China", Zhuren says with his tongue planted firmly in his cheek, ha ha ha.[/QUOTE]
Very good Zhuren, I love it
ES
[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]...the prices for say a KTV would be anywhere from 1-3-7 to as high as 5-15-20[/QUOTE]
Stupid question:
When you post 1-3-7 and 5-15-20 I understand that this means 100 RMB, 200 RMB, and 700 RMB or 500 RMB, 1500 RMB, and 2000 RMB, but what are the service levels that go with each price?
Sammy
[QUOTE=Sammy_T]Stupid question:
When you post 1-3-7 and 5-15-20 I understand that this means 100 RMB, 200 RMB, and 700 RMB or 500 RMB, 1500 RMB, and 2000 RMB, but what are the service levels that go with each price?
Sammy[/QUOTE]
1-3-7. = 100 to sit with you, 300 to go short time with you and 700 for overnight.
And BTW, us old guys in the past used to nicely refer to our choice of gals as being gold or wood fish. Gold fish - nice to look at, but cannot be eaten, wood fish (like the wooden fish that monks beat or "pok' upon when chanting) all for the "Pok"king or screwing. But no matter whether wood or gold fish, the 100 applies, whilst of course the 3-7 only applies to the wood fish. Just in case you guys are interested
SEAJ
Yes of course pricing does change from are to area and from establishment to establishment, I. E. If you go out ot he the country you will get better pricing, but I have just given a rough pricing for those who visit the areas where most foreigner would, not the countryside, there are a lot of newbies otu there and I don't want them being ripped off or paying over the odds to mess the pricing for others. Ofcourse if you get loew price its all the better and if you wana bargain its upto you.
Ohh so far when gone to sauna in hotel, or a sauna establishment, I have had the who range of girls come in, I. E. In batches of 6-7 about over 100 girls, if ther is ones I like I write htier numebr down then ask to call the best girls back, then pick, so far not had any trouble with doing that, dcos thye know I will be staying.
In may/June doing a 2 week vrip if neone intreasted of making a week of touring the scenes.
I am sorry but after your explanation I am more doubtful your post is useful to newbies as you state.
I agree with others that prices you mention do not show how China is simple in relation to sex.
In my opinion, China is simple in relation to sex because it is quite easy to find P4P sex, but as far as prices are concerned to me is a jungle as SE Asia Joe posted.
[QUOTE=Officexp]
...
but I have just given a rough pricing for those who visit the areas where most foreigner would, not the countryside,
...
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Albert Punter]I am sorry but after your explanation I am more doubtful your post is useful to newbies as you state.
I agree with others that prices you mention do not show how China is simple in relation to sex.
In my opinion, China is simple in relation to sex because it is quite easy to find P4P sex, but as far as prices are concerned to me is a jungle as SE Asia Joe posted.[/QUOTE]
I think OfficeXP is fantasizing and has no idea.
As far a the jungle goes: In the big cities, the dealings are usually professional. Each location has its price level. Sure, there are scams and the tourist tax. But the competition keeps prices under control.
Funnily enough, my biggest problems have been the smaller towns (a relative thing in China, a "small town" can have several million...) where foreigners are rare, and which aren't covered by ISG. After a late arrival in a strange city, the "health club" of the Chinese hotel we are staying in usually is the only option. We've seen the good, the bad, and the horrible there. I always travel with my Chinese Adjudant, a feisty Beijinger lady who's seen it all. She does the negotiations for me. More often than not, the local talent sees a laowei, and quotes outrageous prices. Whereupon my adjudant says, in snotty Beijinger dialect: "To fetch these prices, my dear, you would have to work VERY hard in Beijing, do things you've NEVER imagined, and honestly, with your looks, you wouldn't survive."
travel with my Chinese Adjudant, a feisty Beijinger lady who's seen it all. She does the negotiations for me.
Zhuren, I seriously start to admire and envy you.
Levitian
[QUOTE=Zhuren], in snotty Beijinger dialect: "To fetch these prices, my dear, you would have to work VERY hard in Beijing, do things you've NEVER imagined, and honestly, with your looks, you wouldn't survive."[/QUOTE]
That's good - really good!
Wonder if it would work for me in my snootiest Guangdong accented pidgin Putonghua? And of course switch BJ for CP!!
SEAJ
[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]That's good - really good!
Wonder if it would work for me in my snootiest Guangdong accented pidgin Putonghua? And of course switch BJ for CP!!
SEAJ[/QUOTE]
When we come down South, we'll rely on you. She has problems understanding and speaking Cantonese. Due to the language barrier, her haughty "Ï'm from the Capital, and who the frick are you" attitude does not impress the local talent. Whereupon she raises her nose and utters: "Mingong!" In HK, she indignantly must resort to English, just like me.
And in case you ask: No, I don't fuck her. She works for me and my wife.
[QUOTE=Zhuren]
She works for me and my wife.[/QUOTE]
YOU ARE KILLIN' ME!
Levitian
[QUOTE=Zhuren]When we come down South, we'll rely on you. She has problems understanding and speaking Cantonese. Due to the language barrier, her haughty "Ï'm from the Capital, and who the frick are you" attitude does not impress the local talent. Whereupon she raises her nose and utters: "Mingong!" In HK, she indignantly must resort to English, just like me.
And in case you ask: No, I don't fuck her. She works for me and my wife.[/QUOTE]
I echo Levitian's sentiments!!! OHMIGAWD - what a life!
From what I can recall (pls correct me if I'm wrong), you've got yourself a sexy/young/beautiful Japanese wife who's very understanding of your needs and even participate in all of your adventures.
Your adjutant takes care of all arrangements to get you and your wife the best quality of meat and services.
You travel in an entourage consiting of your wife, adjutant and a few other mongers and have a helluva time each and every place (with the exception of BJ these days of course!)
Now what am I missing from "Zhuren's Package?"
More importantly, how did you train your wife so good? The money needed, hiring such a competent adjutant, even having an entourage of likeminded mongers are within the realm of possiblity of I guess most of us -
but HOW DO YOU TRAIN YOUR WIFE SO GOOD?
SEAJ
ps. Perhaps I could start by getting it on with your adjutant? Is she acceptable?
[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]I echo Levitian's sentiments!!! OHMIGAWD - what a life!
[/QUOTE]
Will hopefully get to meet Darth Zhuren next week. I'm looking for tips on how he's done this. Since I have a faithful Japanese wife, maybe I can figure out how to deploy her into the dark side of the Force. :p
Even if I can't duplicate what he's got, I can certainly learn to appreciate it. Of course, there won't be anything else to do in BJ other than drink a lot and TALK about this...
Tankuki
[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]
From what I can recall (pls correct me if I'm wrong), you've got yourself a sexy/young/beautiful Japanese wife who's very understanding of your needs and even participate in all of your adventures. [/QUOTE]
True. The former patrons of the former Maggie's may be my witnesses.
[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe] Your adjutant takes care of all arrangements to get you and your wife the best quality of meat and services.[/QUOTE]
True. She also speaks several languages. Can keep books. Can bring people to tears while negotiating. Can translate what "shoot the airplane" means in a a sauna setting.
[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]You travel in an entourage consiting of your wife, adjutant and a few other mongers and have a helluva time each and every place. [/QUOTE] Not quite, but close. On travels, entourage usually consists of wife & adjudant.
[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]Now what am I missing from "Zhuren's Package?"
More importantly, how did you train your wife so good? The money needed, hiring such a competent adjutant, even having an entourage of likeminded mongers are within the realm of possiblity of I guess most of us -
but HOW DO YOU TRAIN YOUR WIFE SO GOOD?[/QUOTE]
She came pre-trained. She's Japanese. Actually, she trained me. I came out of the usual American horror stories, divorce, settlements, lawyers, uname it. She trained me to become assertive again. To treat her like a man should treat a woman. She now likes it that I open the door for her and help her in her coat. (A behavior that had her completeley baffled in the beginning.)
[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]Perhaps I could start by getting it on with your adjutant? Is she acceptable?[/QUOTE]
She is. But you wouldn't like her. She's a bossy, haughty, know-it-all Chinese
girl with an inbread disdain for everything that lives outside of 5th Ring Road. And I pay her very well.
[QUOTE=Tankuki]Will hopefully get to meet Darth Zhuren next week. I'm looking for tips on how he's done this. Since I have a faithful Japanese wife, maybe I can figure out how to deploy her into the dark side of the Force. :p
Even if I can't duplicate what he's got, I can certainly learn to appreciate it. Of course, there won't be anything else to do in BJ other than drink a lot and TALK about this...
Tankuki[/QUOTE]
BRING your wife and she'll teach her. In formal kimono.
[QUOTE=Zhuren]BRING your wife and she'll teach her. In formal kimono.[/QUOTE]
Well, she's definitely up for BJ, but I'm not sure what your wife might teach her (in light of our mutual ISG pursuits) or if that would be received quite as intended.... :eek:
Tankuki
[QUOTE=Tankuki]Well, she's definitely up for BJ, but I'm not sure what your wife might teach her (in light of our mutual ISG pursuits) or if that would be received quite as intended.... :eek:
Tankuki[/QUOTE]
Never say never. When you are in BJ, we'll share some stories involving regular Tokyo housewives ... not in an ISG setting ... differently ....
Speaking of "she's up for BJ:" Follow a scientific discussion of the cutural divide between Chinese and Japanese, regarding the aforementioned topic at [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=725974#post725974[/url]
[QUOTE=Zhuren]Never say never. When you are in BJ, we'll share some stories involving regular Tokyo housewives ... not in an ISG setting ... differently ....[/QUOTE]
As the Nordic locals might say, "Ya shurr, you betcha!" Looking forward to it.
Tankuki
[QUOTE=Zhuren]
She is. But you wouldn't like her. She's a bossy, haughty, know-it-all Chinese
girl with an inbread disdain for everything that lives outside of 5th Ring Road. And I pay her very well.[/QUOTE]
Ooooooohhhh..... Now I'm REALLY turned on!
Love those types and looove the chase.... and the eventual conquest...sooner or later...... don't mind later as it becomes better... and certainly wouldn't mind sooner.
And if you pay her THAT well.... well... that's an added bonus!
when Where How can I meet you, your lovely wife and your adjutant?!
SEAJ
Girls in sauna are tested quiet regularly for aids and this is compulsary by most sauna's hence they are unlikely to offer bareback, but they are much more experianced in making you happy than the KTV girls. Sauna girls tend to be more experianced.
If you want anal sex make sure you tell the mamasun before your left with the girl, because then she can not argue with you or she will be fined!
KTV girls are generally younger and just want in and out, they will offer bareback freely so be aware. KTV girls will have shore time bare back then go back to KTV for another huy, so upto you.
I have had a couple of older girls in KTV who were very well know how to please you, with no problem with what you do with them.
Try a 360degreee blowjob in a sauna jsut can't stop
Neway fluight booked for end may for 2 weeks, neone out there then to enjoy get in touch
I am thinking about the possibility of taking the train from Chongqing to Shanghai and I am wondering if there would be pros on the train. Pretty far fetched, but does anyone here have experience with the trains in China?
Thanks
We thank you for your latest installment of pertinent and useful information. We are especially grateful for your epidemicologic studies. Their application will increase intelligence by removing those of lesser capabilities from the gene pool. A true Dar-Win-Win situation!
[QUOTE=Officexp]Girls in sauna are tested quiet regularly for aids and this is compulsary by most sauna's hence they are unlikely to offer bareback, but they are much more experianced in making you happy than the KTV girls. Sauna girls tend to be more experianced.
If you want anal sex make sure you tell the mamasun before your left with the girl, because then she can not argue with you or she will be fined!
KTV girls are generally younger and just want in and out, they will offer bareback freely so be aware. KTV girls will have shore time bare back then go back to KTV for another huy, so upto you.
I have had a couple of older girls in KTV who were very well know how to please you, with no problem with what you do with them.
Try a 360degreee blowjob in a sauna jsut can't stop
Neway fluight booked for end may for 2 weeks, neone out there then to enjoy get in touch[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Officexp]If you want anal sex make sure you tell the mamasun before your left with the girl, because then she can not argue with you or she will be fined! [/QUOTE]
Getting anal is very very rare in China.
[QUOTE=Officexp]
KTV girls are generally younger and just want in and out, they will offer bareback freely so be aware. KTV girls will have shore time bare back then go back to KTV for another huy, so upto you.
[/QUOTE]
NO, fracken way, "bareback freely". A young pretty KTV girl will b i t c h and grone about not wearing protection. The chances a young pretty KTV girl meeting you the first time and going bareback is about 1 out of 1000 in my opinion.
[QUOTE=Weelock]Getting anal is very very rare in China.
NO, fracken way, "bareback freely". A young pretty KTV girl will b i t c h and grone about not wearing protection. The chances a young pretty KTV girl meeting you the first time and going bareback is about 1 out of 1000 in my opinion.[/QUOTE]
Weelock,
You kill me, ha ha...
How many "fracken" KTV gals have you been with in China? I don't usually go with KTV girls, but it's been 3 out of 3 in terms of offering bareback, though I actually had to joke around/ask for it (accepted once, declined the other two times).
SF
[QUOTE=Superforce99]Weelock,
You kill me, ha ha...
How many "fracken" KTV gals have you been with in China? I don't usually go with KTV girls, but it's been 3 out of 3 in terms of offering bareback, though I actually had to joke around/ask for it (accepted once, declined the other two times).
SF[/QUOTE]
The way it was written, it sounded like every single KTV girl likes to go bareback and it's NOT up to you to decide. Then getting anal is very common which is false.
I have been with a very few girls, but I still believe if they are "young and pretty" getting bareback from a girl from a KTV and meeting for the first time is very rare. I strongly believe the girl certainly doesn't want to get pregnant or STD. I am strickly talking about KTV girls. The pretty ones have tons of other guys to choose from. Worst yet, I don't want to catch anything like hepatitis, Herpes or some STD.
[QUOTE=Weelock]
I have been with a very few girls, but I still believe if there are "young and pretty" getting bareback from a girl from a KTV and meeting for the first time is very rare. I strongly believe the girl certainly doesn't want to get pregnant or STD. l[/QUOTE]
And that's how it shoulf be. I don't want to run anybodie's lives, but in this day and aids, we should show responsibility and not promote behavior that risks lives.
In my limited experience with KTV girls, most do not Bareback, and in my experience most Sauna girls require covering up.
In China, it is very hard to generalize about anal, but most do not do anal. Some are curious, and some realize they can potentially make bit more money, but not likely. Plus, in my experience only a few actually enjoy it. You have to convince her or pique her curiosity to let you do anal.
Overall, it is very hard to generalize, but I do absolutely agree that covering up is one of the best ways to avoid STD's and keep it from spreading.
IMHO, it is just plain stupid to go bareback unless you know the girl's detailed sexual and health history, which is pretty impossible to know accurately. You just don't know who she has been having sex with.
MAB
[QUOTE=Mock A Bee]In my limited experience with KTV girls, most do not Bareback, and in my experience most Sauna girls require covering up.
In China, it is very hard to generalize about anal, but most do not do anal. Some are curious, and some realize they can potentially make bit more money, but not likely. Plus, in my experience only a few actually enjoy it. You have to convince her or pique her curiosity to let you do anal.
Overall, it is very hard to generalize, but I do absolutely agree that covering up is one of the best ways to avoid STD's and keep it from spreading.
IMHO, it is just plain stupid to go bareback unless you know the girl's detailed sexual and health history, which is pretty impossible to know accurately. You just don't know who she has been having sex with.
MAB[/QUOTE]Yup, be safe bros. Prevention is better than cure, and in some cases, there is no cure. I've never met any KTV gals which will go bareback.
AV
[QUOTE=Mock A Bee]
In my limited experience with KTV girls, most do not Bareback, and in my experience most Sauna girls require covering up.
[/QUOTE]
Most KTV girls don't. But considering the consequences of STDs you would think that this should be very close to 0 procent, but it's not. Maybe something like 10-20% will go bareback.
[QUOTE=Mock A Bee]
In China, it is very hard to generalize about anal, but most do not do anal. Some are curious, and some realize they can potentially make bit more money, but not likely. Plus, in my experience only a few actually enjoy it. You have to convince her or pique her curiosity to let you do anal.
[/QUOTE]
It's fucking tough to get anal in China. They all think it will hurt like hell (Tong, Tong, Tong!), and don't think they will get any enjoyment out of it. Especially the younger girls who have only recently started to have sex are scared shitless of anal. Older/chubbier girls are more likely to do it. Problem is, I am not into older/chubbier girls.
[QUOTE=Mock A Bee]
Overall, it is very hard to generalize, but I do absolutely agree that covering up is one of the best ways to avoid STD's and keep it from spreading.
IMHO, it is just plain stupid to go bareback unless you know the girl's detailed sexual and health history, which is pretty impossible to know accurately. You just don't know who she has been having sex with.
MAB[/QUOTE]
Agreed. It's not my business to lecture anybody on how not to kill themselves (and others.) But it is in the interest of this community to keep it clean. I think it's not much to ask to keep those who insist on unsafe practices to take the discussion elsewhere. A graveyard would be an appropriate option.
I have been in China for a month with 4-5 bbs ventures and 3 sauna events. All covered. One sauna DATY from very clean girl from what I could tell.
Before I return home, would you suggest I get checked or take some antibiotics first? Don't want any chance to take anything home! I have not symptoms of anything wrong, just want to be cautious.
Any suggestions?
Thanks
What would you want to check for? STDs, AIDS? Getting this from a DATY is low chance and a bacterial infection without symptoms is rare.
So safe your money and be happy
BTW for an AIDS test you have to wait 6 months before the info is relevant.
So unless you want to spend money for nothing. Better make a general check for heart, liver etc. But only if you know somebody in a local hospital or it will hget pretty expensive.
[QUOTE=Maddog40]I have been in China for a month with 4-5 bbs ventures and 3 sauna events. All covered. One sauna DATY from very clean girl from what I could tell.
Before I return home, would you suggest I get checked or take some antibiotics first? Don't want any chance to take anything home! I have not symptoms of anything wrong, just want to be cautious.
Any suggestions?
Thanks[/QUOTE]
MD40,
I wouldn't self medicate with antibiotics unless you know exactly what you are doing. Even physicians don't self medicate, well smart ones at least.
Taking antibiotics has been discussed here before, but it is strictly for emergency use only. You can royally screw up your system if you don't do a complete course, otherwise you make the bad stuff antibiotic tolerant, meaning you will have to take a different and stronger antibiotic.
You are very likely healthy since you covered up except for DATY. I suggest getting checked at home if you feel the need to be cautious.
FYI, anyone getting an HIV test in China, and it comes back positive is subject to being immediately deported. I don't recommend getting an HIV test in China for this reason.
MAB
Totally agreed.
Likelihood of catching something with DATY is low (although I wouldn't do it with just any girl, simply for general hygienic reasons.) Likelihood of catching trichomoniasis, chlamydia etc via DATY low, via uncovered BJ high. Hard to diagnose, especially in Chna. Suggest test at home before having sex with the wife ....
[QUOTE=Mock A Bee]MD40,
I wouldn't self medicate with antibiotics unless you know exactly what you are doing. Even physicians don't self medicate, well smart ones at least.
Taking antibiotics has been discussed here before, but it is strictly for emergency use only. You can royally screw up your system if you don't do a complete course, otherwise you make the bad stuff antibiotic tolerant, meaning you will have to take a different and stronger antibiotic.
You are very likely healthy since you covered up except for DATY. I suggest getting checked at home if you feel the need to be cautious.
FYI, anyone getting an HIV test in China, and it comes back positive is subject to being immediately deported. I don't recommend getting an HIV test in China for this reason.
MAB[/QUOTE]
Thanks Zhuren and MOB,
I forgot to mention I did get BBBJ at the sauna and did see you mentioned there is a high chance of STD with uncovered BJ. All other times covered but maybe I should get tested in the States. Not that concerned with AIDS. This may be a dumb question but do you know if the saunas test girls for STDs? Also, do you know what tests to ask for? Thanks for you help.
MD40
I don't know about the rest of u but this STD shit is pissing me off. Why are we humans programed the f*** but are plauged by dieases.
Okay with that said. What are the stuff you can catch with bbbj. Let's just get a list going.
Second, what are the stuff you can catch covered FS and CBJ
Let's just list it.
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Hy guys,
Okay, get whatever list going you want, but don't do it here in the China General Info thread.
Instead, do it in the [u]Safe Sex[/u] topic in the Special Interests section of the Forum where it will be of benefit to everyone who is interested in this subject.
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
Hi there folks,
Great work guys on all the reports. I am visiting Tianjin for the first time can some one help and also in general where do we get BBBJ> replies will be greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Maverick
[QUOTE=AskMaverick]Hi there folks,
Great work guys on all the reports. I am visiting Tianjin for the first time can some one help and also in general where do we get BBBJ> replies will be greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Maverick[/QUOTE]
Maverick,
There is a dedicated Tianjin thread, you should read it if you want to know more about Tianjin.
MAB
I am a young ABC and looking to go on about a two week trip in China this summer. My mandarin skills are pretty good and I should be able to get around fine. I am relatively new to mongering but have been reading these threads pretty avidly. From what I've read of the threads so far, the premium value mongering locations in China are in the South so my plan so far is to fly into Shanghai and work south to the Hong Kong area and circle back to Shanghai. I would like to get to Chengdu or Xian for tourism-related issues but is this doable in the span of two weeks?
My budget for travel/lodging/mongering would be from $2000 to $3000 USD. Is this plan doable? I plan to backpack some and stay in some hostels but would also like to stay in some hotels to do some overnights =). From my understanding overnight prices should be around 500 or 600 RMB. Will it be easier for me to get freebies or will the fact that I am young deter girls looking for money?
Another concern I had is if the Olympics will cause a crackdown in other parts of China.My trip will likely be in late August / early September. Would appreciate your input or any suggestions.
[QUOTE=Schrute2011]I am a young ABC and looking to go on about a two week trip in China this summer. My mandarin skills are pretty good and I should be able to get around fine. I am relatively new to mongering but have been reading these threads pretty avidly. From what I've read of the threads so far, the premium value mongering locations in China are in the South so my plan so far is to fly into Shanghai and work south to the Hong Kong area and circle back to Shanghai. I would like to get to Chengdu or Xian for tourism-related issues but is this doable in the span of two weeks?
My budget for travel/lodging/mongering would be from $2000 to $3000 USD. Is this plan doable? I plan to backpack some and stay in some hostels but would also like to stay in some hotels to do some overnights =). From my understanding overnight prices should be around 500 or 600 RMB. Will it be easier for me to get freebies or will the fact that I am young deter girls looking for money?
Another concern I had is if the Olympics will cause a crackdown in other parts of China.My trip will likely be in late August / early September. Would appreciate your input or any suggestions.[/QUOTE]
to Schurte 2011
I think 3000 USD is doable for 2 week of travel,Most of the budget is air fare and transport cost in China, but you cannot experience the ktv and the sauna for that kind of budget. BBS is the only options for mongering,You should do fine if you speak Chinese.
Shanghai, Bejing and Hong Kong is the most expensive and will be out of your budget during the 2008 games.
Fast Eddie 48
Crackdown will occur I think, already happening from what I have heard.
Chengdu is nice for mongering if you read the forum or know someone. Also I would from personal experience, recommend Kunming, again only if you know someone there. SZ, zhuhai and Dongguan are always good from past experience and the experiences of senior members here. I have only been to Dongguan two times, but each time was really a lot of fun, best place in China in my experience. Sz, been over 60 times, and especially Shekou are a ball! But more expensive. But I defer to senior members to let you know more. South is more fun than North China tho, from my experience. North is good for freebees tho.
[QUOTE=Schrute2011]I am a young ABC and looking to go on about a two week trip in China this summer. My mandarin skills are pretty good and I should be able to get around fine. I am relatively new to mongering but have been reading these threads pretty avidly. From what I've read of the threads so far, the premium value mongering locations in China are in the South so my plan so far is to fly into Shanghai and work south to the Hong Kong area and circle back to Shanghai. I would like to get to Chengdu or Xian for tourism-related issues but is this doable in the span of two weeks?
My budget for travel/lodging/mongering would be from $2000 to $3000 USD. Is this plan doable? I plan to backpack some and stay in some hostels but would also like to stay in some hotels to do some overnights =). From my understanding overnight prices should be around 500 or 600 RMB. Will it be easier for me to get freebies or will the fact that I am young deter girls looking for money?
Another concern I had is if the Olympics will cause a crackdown in other parts of China.My trip will likely be in late August / early September. Would appreciate your input or any suggestions.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the reply guys. For budget purposes, I think I will stay in Southeast China and stick with train travel. Hopefully this will open up my budget some.
[QUOTE=Schrute2011]I am a young ABC and looking to go on about a two week trip in China this summer. My mandarin skills are pretty good and I should be able to get around fine.
My budget for travel/lodging/mongering would be from $2000 to $3000 USD. Is this plan doable? I plan to backpack some
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Sounds wonderful. Wish I were 30 years younger and could go too. I'd travel by train (I am not sure I would travel by long distance bus if I were a "young ABC"). And I'd stay at cheaper hotels (50 to 150 RMB). I'd also have another hobby (like finding out about a local legend, searching for interesting stones, looking for microscopic spores or seeds in the breaks of ancient walls). When younger I have been at times, a History Scholar, a Geologist and an Agronomist.
Good luck. And tell us about your good fortune.
Oh, also my budget of 3000 USD would not include airfare to China. I plan on taking trains mostly in China and sticking in Southeast China so I think that this should open up my options more.
Flying is cheap in China, most routes around 1000 to 1500 RMB and train tickets can be tricky, especially if you not enter the train from its starting point, you will see, I have my experiences even though a lot of guanxi helped me out always last second. 3000 USD my got you can monger your brain off with that sum in the South. Jealous, jealous.
[QUOTE=Schrute2011]Oh, also my budget of 3000 USD would not include airfare to China. I plan on taking trains mostly in China and sticking in Southeast China so I think that this should open up my options more.[/QUOTE]
Last year, starting from Beijing, I visited Chongqing, Chengdu, Kunming, Dali, Lijiang, and one of the City in the central part of China. I took airplanes, buses whenever it was convenient without thinking much about the money issue. I stayed in 2 -3 star hotels price range from 200 - 300 RMB. I visited parks, museums. I ate whatever and wherever I want. In some cities, I met with friends and hang out in the bars and KTVs. The average dinner was about 200 -300 RMB if I had a company. The trip was lasted for 20 days and the damage was only about 12000 RMB (about 1800 USD in the current rate). Well, I did not do much of mongering (only a couple of times in Chongqing and Kunming, cost me 400 RMB each). If I did, say every night, it would be additional 400*20=8000 RMB (1200 USD). So it was still under your budget. If you are little bit conservative, not too much of parties, not visit those high end KTVs and saunas. You should be fine.
[quote]
Ola Wong reports for the Far Eastern Economic Review on the rise of anti-Chinese nationalism in Mongolia (h/t Danwei.org):
In Mongolia, anti-Chinese sentiment has taken a nasty turn. The ultra-nationalist group Blue Mongolia, for example, shaves the heads of women caught sleeping with Chinese men. “It is for their own good,” says Gansuren Damdinsuren, a Blue Mongolia board member. “A small nation can only survive by keeping its blood pure.”
Mr. Gansuren claims Blue Mongolia has more than 2,000 members, not a small number in a nation of just 2.8 million. Even more alarming, Mr. Gansuren says his group is not adverse to violence. In an interview last summer, he told me his organization is training a fighting force for close combat, and that the group has access to weapons. [/quote]
We may need to send ISG troops up north to make sure the Mongolian Sisters don't get tempted to sleep with Chinese men... :eek:
Tankuki
They say: A small nation can only survive by keeping its blood pure.
They are not talking about sex. As long as you use a condom, it shouldn't be a problem.
[QUOTE=Tankuki]We may need to send ISG troops up north to make sure the Mongolian Sisters don't get tempted to sleep with Chinese men... :eek:
Tankuki[/QUOTE]
On several occasions I've overheard our sisters making very derrogative remarks about PRC Chinese men. They really don't seem to like them. If even the girls in Beijing talk so bad about them, who is sleeping with them?
[QUOTE=Schrute2011]I am a young ABC and looking to go on about a two week trip in China this summer. My mandarin skills are pretty good and I should be able to get around fine. I am relatively new to mongering but have been reading these threads pretty avidly. From what I've read of the threads so far, the premium value mongering locations in China are in the South so my plan so far is to fly into Shanghai and work south to the Hong Kong area and circle back to Shanghai. I would like to get to Chengdu or Xian for tourism-related issues but is this doable in the span of two weeks?
My budget for travel/lodging/mongering would be from $2000 to $3000 USD. Is this plan doable? I plan to backpack some and stay in some hostels but would also like to stay in some hotels to do some overnights =). From my understanding overnight prices should be around 500 or 600 RMB. Will it be easier for me to get freebies or will the fact that I am young deter girls looking for money?
Another concern I had is if the Olympics will cause a crackdown in other parts of China.My trip will likely be in late August / early September. Would appreciate your input or any suggestions.[/QUOTE]
I would say, try for freebies and fill in the dry spells with working girls. This is your best option budget-wise. You have to be willing to invest time chatting them up on MSN. You have time to warm them up between now and next summer. On MSN don't bring up sex too quickly or will scare off some. At one point they will ask you the kind of good you like. you answer with whatever qualities plus say you hope to meet a good kisser. This will open the door for warmer discussion.
Check out the classified ads online and there are the usual web sites like CFF, plentyoffish, chinesekisses, etc. Put a profile there and if you put a picture you will get more responses than you can handle. All it will cost you is dinner (which you can get for 100RMB if you eat chinese) and the girl can be a nice companion to help you visit if the chemistry is good.
i am in the middle of a 3-week trip in China visiting several cities and have 10 girls lined up. i could have made this a longer trip. most are above average in looks when I compare to the girls in the phto section here. And sometimes you can get some interesting experiences like this 39 year old i met in Xi'An last week. She had no sex in 7 years. She was sooooo tight, it was like a virgin. amazing.
Good luck.
[QUOTE=Loveasiangirls] And sometimes you can get some interesting experiences like this 39 year old i met in Xi'An last week. She had no sex in 7 years. She was sooooo tight, it was like a virgin. amazing.
Good luck.[/QUOTE]Had a similar experience with Beijing freebie, 40 years old. She didn't have sex for 10 years! She desperately needed it, she was so smoking hot: couldn't get enough. We even did it in the meeting room in her office. Unbelievable.
Just take care with your BBBJ. After years of enjoying this activity I cought gonorrhoea or chlamydia in Tangxia, DG. Must be one of 2 possible girls. I am now on Doxycycline for the next 7 days.
I am seriously now consider to give up my hobby and maybe switch to collecting stamps, or something else that's safe.
Take care! (I mean it!)
This has always been the downside of our hobby. Some of you take anti-biotic before leaving town, some of you just don't wanna check your pipe when you return home and some of you do check your pipe after the trip.
But there are some of you who don't give a fuck about yourself or others and don't mind passing on your disease to others. Like some who I know like to BB the gals without telling the gals, forcing them to BB or telling the gals the last minute you didn't have a condom.
I know one monger who stayed at the Miraton and step on a rusty nail and immediately ran to the local doctor for shot. But this same monger didn't mind BB the gals. Another I know has Hepatitis and pay extra to BB the gals.
One of these days, the big monster will catch up with some of us if we are not careful.
There are many sick people (in more ways than one) out there among our hobby members.
I am not lecturing that we should stop this hobby. I am just as weak any anyone for pussy, especially BB sex. But I am saying that those that know that they have STD, cover yourself for everybody's sake. And for your own sake, cover yourself regardless if you have STD or not. It's the gals you have to worry about too, especially those that will let you BB them.
Bill
[QUOTE=DayNight]Just take care with your BBBJ. After years of enjoying this activity I cought gonorrhoea or chlamydia in Tangxia, DG. Must be one of 2 possible girls. I am now on Doxycycline for the next 7 days.
I am seriously now consider to give up my hobby and maybe switch to collecting stamps, or something else that's safe.
Take care! (I mean it!)[/QUOTE]
Hello Gentlemen,
I heard about blowjob bars in Thailand, places where you can get sucked off in the bar, sitting at the bar (with a cutout for the girl to service you) or in a slightly more private area while enjoying a beer.
There may even be places where you eat and the waitress sucks you off?
I am curious if anyone has heard of this sort of thing available in China?
Thanks
[url]http://www.myprops.org/content/Chinas-booming-sex-industry-video/[/url]
Laura Ling reports on the Chinese Sex industry(20 minutes)
the cool thing is that she is totally clueless.
This offers a good insight into what the average housewife thinks of the sex industry.
Watch it!
I stumbled upon this article about ISG:
[url]www.groundreport.com/Media_and_Tech/How-Web-2-0-is-Making-Life-Easier-For-Chinas-Sex-T[/url]
A few of our senior members were quoted. I must admit even though I don't like the negative connotation about our site the author sure did a lot of RTFF. He ends the article with "Maybe they should shut the f*ck up all together."
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[QUOTE=Sam247]I stumbled upon this article about ISG:
[url]www.groundreport.com/Media_and_Tech/How-Web-2-0-is-Making-Life-Easier-For-Chinas-Sex-T[/url]
A few of our senior members were quoted. I must admit even though I don't like the negative connotation about our site the author sure did a lot of RTFF. He ends the article with "Maybe they should shut the f*ck up all together."[/QUOTE]
Wow Brother Moody, Scribe, Cladestine, Eaglestar and even the freshman Phil1980 are famous sex celebrities now!
I still very much believe Jackson should make everyone pay an annual membership fee before anyone can even read the forums, not just look at photos.
-CPE
[QUOTE=CPExpat]
I still very much believe Jackson should make everyone pay an annual membership fee before anyone can even read the forums, not just look at photos.
-CPE[/QUOTE]
VERY GOOD idea, for the following reasons:
1. Ensure financial viability of ISG. As it is, I'd think that we all are just imposing on Jackson's generosity for hosting the site. This is especially true for those who are NON paying members but perhaps also for those of us who are paying members as it is just so little money.
2. Will get rid of all these guys who uses multiple handles for whatever reasons - but I would think/suggest for mainly nefarious purposes.
3. Give a sense of value to membership which in turn will make everyone more thoughtful before posting anything/starting flaming wars or other transgressions against ISG rules - and probable loss of a PAID membership!
4. Will get rid of all these "one or few posts wonders" posting disruptive, inane, proselytizing or just plain offensive posts.
Whilst on this topic - I had paid my membership dues "some time back" but am not exactly sure when. I am thinking that it's at least a year ago - but up to now, have not had any invoice, reminder etc on matter. Jackson - methinks that perhaps you are forgetting this most important of task.
Just I.M. VERY H.O.
SE Asia Joe
[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]VERY GOOD idea, for the following reasons:
1. Ensure financial viability of ISG. As it is, I'd think that we all are just imposing on Jackson's generosity for hosting the site. This is especially true for those who are NON paying members but perhaps also for those of us who are paying members as it is just so little money.
2. Will get rid of all these guys who uses multiple handles for whatever reasons - but I would think/suggest for mainly nefarious purposes.
3. Give a sense of value to membership which in turn will make everyone more thoughtful before posting anything/starting flaming wars or other transgressions against ISG rules - and probable loss of a PAID membership!
4. Will get rid of all these "one or few posts wonders" posting disruptive, inane, proselytizing or just plain offensive posts.
Whilst on this topic - I had paid my membership dues "some time back" but am not exactly sure when. I am thinking that it's at least a year ago - but up to now, have not had any invoice, reminder etc on matter. Jackson - methinks that perhaps you are forgetting this most important of task.
Just I.M. VERY H.O.
SE Asia Joe[/QUOTE]
Agree in principal, however, how do we ensure other people find us, read first, post info and than decide to become members? We do not want to stay a closed circle, do we? The whole idea is a big enough community? The PM system and the photos are already a great incentive and I quickly decided to contribute also financially! On competing websites I never got really interested due to their restrictions.
Just my thoughts
FA
[QUOTE=FernandoAlonso]Agree in principal, however, how do we ensure other people find us, read first, post info and than decide to become members? We do not want to stay a closed circle, do we? The whole idea is a big enough community? The PM system and the photos are already a great incentive and I quickly decided to contribute also financially! On competing websites I never got really interested due to their restrictions.
Just my thoughts
FA[/QUOTE]
My thinking is, it prevents every Tom, Dick and Harry from stumbling onto this site and extracting information to use against ISG, like this idiot who wrote the article. He never mentioned how easy it is to get sex in China, even major hotels (CP) offer full sex. He just makes us out to be dirty, old, bad guys.
On a side note: Lets say the Chinese government lets ISG slide all these years and suddenly they start getting public black eyes from people like this reporter, so they decide to ban ISG all together in China and start tracing various IP addresses. I assume this is easy enough for them.
The last thing Bro Eaglestar, or any of us want, is the police kicking in our doors.
I think ISG is well known enough, it's not going to hurt Jackson to start charging memberships to read, view or post.
-CPE
In China, when it says KTV, does that mean they all have girls in them, or not. And which places have the best KTV girls, known as PRs.
[QUOTE=Bigboysexy]In China, when it says KTV, does that mean they all have girls in them, or not. And which places have the best KTV girls, known as PRs.[/QUOTE]
I have been told by Chinese friends that if they say KTV the odds are they will NOT have girls. I have personally not found this to be the case. The best thing to do is when you enter simply ask if girls are available before you go to the room. If you are too shy to ask then simply look around - if you see large herds of girls moving from one room to another then they are available.
Every KTV is different regarding the type of girl you will get and the service she will provide. A KTV experience in Beijing can be very different from one in Shanghai or Xian. In some places the girl will only sit and sing with you, while others will do much more. One key I have learned is that the girls generally take a cue from you as to how they will act - if you are coy and shy, they will be too. If you are forward sometimes the little thing next to you will completly shock you with how forward she will be! If you are able to become a "regular" at one of these places then it will certainly help you get more milage.
Sammy
[QUOTE=Bigboysexy]In China, when it says KTV, does that mean they all have girls in them, or not. And which places have the best KTV girls, known as PRs.[/QUOTE]
Some of the low budget KTVs do not provide girls, you bring your own. Some sell beer and snacks in a small shop on the premises. You can rent a room for as low as 150rmb and 10rmb for each beer. Of course, you need to have a fluent chinese speaker to ask about prices and to be sure there are no additional hidden fees.
This is a good way for students and english teachers to enjoy a KTV "experience" without spending heaps of gold. Get some friends and girlfriends together and rent a budget KTV room for the evening.
The high budget KTVs with girls are usually in or next to hotels.
[QUOTE=Santa]Some of the low budget KTVs do not provide girls, you bring your own. Some sell beer and snacks in a small shop on the premises.
This is a good way to enjoy a KTV "experience" without spending heaps of gold. Get some friends and girlfriends together and rent a budget KTV room for the evening.[/QUOTE]
Actually only costs you 150 or 200 RMB to rent such a room, plus drinks (prices similar to restaurant prices, e.g. 10 RMB for a bottle of beer, much cheaper than in the heishou joints). In case you manage to find some girl from AFF etc., take her out there and you can have a fun time.
Guys,
I try to work with AFF now, but all emails I receive I cannot open as they are all linked to the stupid gold order upgrade. Is that normal?? Do I need to buy a membership to be able to read mails?
Anybody dealt with a similar problem?
You need silver status / why do they do not write it on their page clearly?
Stupid marketing. Sorry for the post.
[QUOTE=Proctorgambla]Laura Ling reports on the Chinese Sex industry(20 minutes)
the cool thing is that she is totally clueless.
This offers a good insight into what the average housewife thinks of the sex industry.
Watch it![/QUOTE]Am I the only one who was cheering when the pimps seized the journalists tapes? Take note for those fellas who want to bring their girl to the states...thats what theyll turn into.
[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]VERY GOOD idea, for the following reasons:
1. Ensure financial viability of ISG.
2. Will get rid of all these guys who uses multiple
3. Give a sense of value to membership
4. Will get rid of all these "one or few posts wonders"
Whilst on this topic - I had paid my membership dues "some time back" but am not exactly sure when. I am thinking that it's at least a year ago - but up to now, have not had any invoice, reminder etc on matter. Jackson - methinks that perhaps you are forgetting this most important of task.
Just I.M. VERY H.O.
SE Asia Joe[/QUOTE]
Just noticed when I clicked "All the Forums" and go to the page, I got at the top the following message
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Attention SE Asia Joe! Your 1 Year Subscription subscription expires on 06-29-08, in less than 52 days.
Please click here to Renew your Subscription and continue your support of the InternationalSexGuide Forum.
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BUT - I do NOT see this notice anywehre else - and NOT on the ISG main page (listing all the latest postings) which I regularly go to first and then straight to the actual threads. I hardly ever go to that page where the notice is.
Jackson, perhaps you should post this notice up in more pages and thus make sure that we do see it?
Just IMHO
SEAJ
[QUOTE=Cloud Palms]Am I the only one who was cheering when the pimps seized the journalists tapes? Take note for those fellas who want to bring their girl to the states...thats what theyll turn into.[/QUOTE]
That female ABC reporter has to be one of the biggest douchebags I've seen, basically a walking victim. The way she is pleading "women shi meiguo de, please, please" around minute 11 is really quite funny, will certainly impress the pimp.
[QUOTE=Phil1980]That female ABC reporter has to be one of the biggest douchebags I've seen, basically a walking victim. The way she is pleading "women shi meiguo de, please, please" around minute 11 is really quite funny, will certainly impress the pimp.[/QUOTE]Haha. I found that part pretty funny too. Her name is Laura Ling. I'm addicted to her travel journalism podcasts.
[url]http://current.com/people/lauraling[/url]
I have not been able to get on Craig's list for 3 or 4 days here in Shanghai.
Anyone else have that problem?
ES
Yes your right! Can't get on site. Try a proxy.
I am able to get on CL Shanghai and all the other city links. But I am doing from the USA. So it's not the site, it's your service.
Bill
TOR will let you see every websites while in China.
Wikipedia, Google News, CNN, flickr..
[url]https://www.torproject.org/[/url]
I'm using a mac and the easiest way to install Tor is to use Firefox and download the Tor Firefox extension.
I'm sure it's the same for PC.
[url]https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2275[/url]
Sam247
[QUOTE=Eaglestar]I have not been able to get on Craig's list for 3 or 4 days here in Shanghai.
Anyone else have that problem?
ES[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]I am able to get on CL Shanghai and all the other city links. But I am doing from the USA. So it's not the site, it's your service.[/QUOTE]No no, it is his fault. Eaglestar broke the internet, the whole fokking thing. Thanks, way to go Eaglestar, really wtf ...
Just kidding. Same with Beijing Craiglist, but it works once I used a proxy. In case you have none use this here: [url]http://anonymouse.org/anonwww.html[/url]
If you'd need it I'd wish you "much luck" from here. Knowing you better I instead demand detailed after action reports. ;)
[QUOTE=Andreas Wang]No no, it is his fault. Eaglestar broke the internet, the whole fokking thing. Thanks, way to go Eaglestar, really wtf ...
Just kidding. Same with Beijing Craiglist, but it works once I used a proxy. In case you have none use this here: [url]http://anonymouse.org/anonwww.html[/url]
If you'd need it I'd wish you "much luck" from here. Knowing you better I instead demand detailed after action reports. ;)[/QUOTE]
Thanks AW...,. Bill Lee PM to me the anonymouse web site and it works.
ES
[QUOTE=Smoke & Mirrors]I know there is a large sect of Koreans that were raised in China. Does anyone know about their cultural background? Do they follow Korean culture, Chinese, or both? I have met a lovely lass, but I'm not to sure on her situation. I know she can speak both languages, I wanted to know If anyone has had a gal for their girlfriend of wife. She seems to follow the Korean, but i'm not sure. thanks[/QUOTE]They are called as 'Chaoxianzu.' They are another minority race like 'Zangzu', 'Huizu', or something else.
Right. Usually, they can speak both Korean and Chinese. However, they are rather under Chinese culture than Korean culture (maybe 70% Chinese, 30% Korean). Also, they realize themselves as Chinese.
[QUOTE=Smoke & Mirrors]Interesting. I'm in the U.S. right now. I can see the natural born Koreans look down upon their China born sisters. I haven't delved deeply in my friends upbringing,but when she talks on her phone she speaks Korean. I have heard her speak Chinese.
She is a lovely looking Korean gal, but I know she's not born there. I would like to pursue her as an love interest, but I've heard disparaging remarks from Korean born women. They seem to have something to say about everyone who is not exactly like them ;)[/QUOTE]Many Korean Chinese come into Korea looking for higher salary(like some Hispanics in US). And, as you see, illegal immigration causes a lot of conflicts between immigrants and natives. For example, unemployment, cultural differences, crime, hatred, and etc.. Those are what happening in Korea these days.
In China, minority races usually live in very poor life conditions, as you can see in the Tibet problem. There are also a lot of discrimination against them. Many Chinese believes Hui Zhu commit a lot of murder and girls from Yunnan (Li Zhu, Bai Zhu, Zhang Zhu, and etc) are prostitutes. This kind of inequality leads them to be more aggressive.
[QUOTE=Smoke & Mirrors]I know there is a large sect of Koreans that were raised in China. Does anyone know about their cultural background? Do they follow Korean culture, Chinese, or both? I have met a lovely lass, but I'm not to sure on her situation. I know she can speak both languages, I wanted to know If anyone has had a gal for their girlfriend of wife. She seems to follow the Korean, but i'm not sure. thanks[/QUOTE]
Previous to WWII, Japan had colonized what is now Korean and a large part of northern China. During this colonial time, Koreans moved back and forth between the Korean Peninsula and what was previously called Manchuria. After the Japanese were defeated in WWII, they were forced to give up all the colonized lands. The ethnic Koreans living in Manchuria at that time weren't repatriated to the Korean Peninsula. In northern China, there's estimated to be over 2 million ethnic Korean living in and around Heilongjiang, most of them in Yanbian. Furthermore, there's estimated to be about 500,000 ethnic Koreans living in Uzbekistan, descendants of Koreans who were trapped in the former Soviet Union.
There used to be a lot of culture shock for the chaoxianzhu when they first met South Koreans after South Koreans normalized relations with China in 1992. Until then, the only Koreans most chaoxianzhu met were refugees from North Korea. Because of propaganda coming from North Korea and stuff, most chaoxianzhu believed that South Koreans were dirt poor and on the verge of starvation, which is what the North Koreans were/are told via their media outlets. Now, most of them watch South Korean television, and know the real deal.
Starting in the mid 90's, large groups of South Korean men came to North China looking for wives. Due to selective birthing practices, since made illegal, the male to female ration in South Korea among the young were skewed. A lot of Korean men, especially those in the country, had trouble finding wives. These guys basically came to Yanbian and married all their chaoxianzhu women.
Korean women tend to look down on chaoxianzhu women in the same manner that city folk sometimes look down on country folk. Basically, they consider them uneducated and uncultured, which is basically true, but also part of their charm. Korean women lately have a reputation for being very materialistic, and a lot of guys look to find Yanbian girls just to get away from that.
I'm planning on spending about a month in June-July in Thailand and the Philippines (my 5th trip in a year and a half). I'm also considering a side-trip to China. While I love these forums, the China section seems to be spread a bit too thin to get a good overview of the scene there and which cities to head to. So I'd like to find a post with a good overview of the scenes in the various cities, or I'd like to solicit your opinions, given that I'm looking for the following:
1. I'm looking for something different from the LBFM experience I'm getting 24/7 in AC(both in looks and service). Back in school, I always had the hots for the untouchable Chinese or Korean honor student and hope to defile some similar beauties in China. I want to experience something uniquely Chinese (Red Rope, Fire & Ice, Massages with readily available AR, etc.) 2. I plan to spend 3-4 days there. Possibly sightseeing as well so I have some legit photos to bring home to the family. Such a short trip limits me to 1 city but it also means I can splurge and spend decent money for top-notch service while I'm there.
3. I am coming from AC. So the most convenient cities to get to are HK and Macau. But from what I gather, the red rope / fire & ice masters and the prettiest girls are mainly in Shanghai. Is this true?
4. I speak no Chinese. I realize this is a barrier but I kinda like being adventurous. I did pretty well in the early 1990's in Eastern Europe with no common languages either.
I will appreciate any pointers you guys can give me. I hope somebody can point me in a direction that gets me just as addicted to China as I am to the Philippines.
[QUOTE=Shadowj]I'm planning on spending about a month in June-July in Thailand and the Philippines (my 5th trip in a year and a half). I'm also considering a side-trip to China. While I love these forums, the China section seems to be spread a bit too thin to get a good overview of the scene there and which cities to head to. So I'd like to find a post with a good overview of the scenes in the various cities, or I'd like to solicit your opinions, given that I'm looking for the following:
1. I'm looking for something different from the LBFM experience I'm getting 24/7 in AC(both in looks and service). Back in school, I always had the hots for the untouchable Chinese or Korean honor student and hope to defile some similar beauties in China. I want to experience something uniquely Chinese (Red Rope, Fire & Ice, Massages with readily available AR, etc.) 2. I plan to spend 3-4 days there. Possibly sightseeing as well so I have some legit photos to bring home to the family. Such a short trip limits me to 1 city but it also means I can splurge and spend decent money for top-notch service while I'm there.
3. I am coming from AC. So the most convenient cities to get to are HK and Macau. But from what I gather, the red rope / fire & ice masters and the prettiest girls are mainly in Shanghai. Is this true?
4. I speak no Chinese. I realize this is a barrier but I kinda like being adventurous. I did pretty well in the early 1990's in Eastern Europe with no common languages either.
I will appreciate any pointers you guys can give me. I hope somebody can point me in a direction that gets me just as addicted to China as I am to the Philippines.[/QUOTE]
IMHO and of course based only on my personal preference:
China IS large and the scene in different cities ARe going to be different. On top of that, I would think that most guys would probably recommend to you their own back yard (so to call.) Although I've mongered in quite a few places in SE Asia, my most recent forays has been limited to Southern China and Phuket.
Whilst the LBFM's in PI and LOS are probably easier to get to - in terms of their english abilities and their familiarity serving foreginers etc - I would suggest that you consider allocating a bit more time in China. To be able to truly appreciate the charms of the chinese gals, I would think you'd need to be able to partake of a number of them, from different sources (KTV, BBS, Saunas, Freebies etc). Plus on top of that, you HAVE gone to PI/LOS Five times previously!
The Chinese gals are definitely NOT the classic LBFM's, which is precisely their charm. but I always feel that the PI/LOS gals are just too - how do I say it - *****y! And even the problems you are going to have with not speaking the lingo will require that you spend more time in China to really know what the scene here is.
As far as destination - of course Southern China - my back yard. Base yourself in Shenzhen and its environ, with side trips to Chang Ping (25 minutes by train - Best BBS's and plentiful KTV's). Leave Shenzhen by Ferry from Shekou to Zhuhai which has the best and cheapest saunas as well as the (in)famous Linhua Lu. Cross over to Macau and experience the total bacchalanian atmosphere before you get on the plane to go to ??
My own thoughts as it is what I know. Others will tell you shanghai - but to me Shanghai is a bit more expensive - both normal tourist costs as well as mongering - plus you ARE basicaly stuck in that town with nearby locations out of the question for the tourist. Beijing - forgedaboutit - at least until after the Olympics.
SEAJ
[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]IMHO and of course based only on my personal preference:
As far as destination - of course Southern China - my back yard. Base yourself in Shenzhen and its environ, with side trips to Chang Ping (25 minutes by train - Best BBS's and plentiful KTV's). Leave Shenzhen by Ferry from Shekou to Zhuhai which has the best and cheapest saunas as well as the (in)famous Linhua Lu. Cross over to Macau and experience the total bacchalanian atmosphere before you get on the plane to go to ??
SEAJ[/QUOTE]
Excellent. Thank you very much!!! That's how a typical newbie question should be answered and not the RTTF bullshit.
Thanks again. I am making my plans too for south China next September.
Your post is very helpfull.
Would you considered a stop to Dongguan on the way to Senzhen also?
First time in China and not a word of Mandarin.
If you need some info on Brasil, Argentina or even Colombia I am your man.
Thanks again.
El Greco
[QUOTE=El Greco]Excellent. Thank you very much!!! That's how a typical newbie question should be answered and not the RTTF bullshit.
Thanks again. I am making my plans too for south China next September.
Your post is very helpfull.
Would you considered a stop to Dongguan on the way to Senzhen also?
First time in China and not a word of Mandarin.
If you need some info on Brasil, Argentina or even Colombia I am your man.
Thanks again.
El Greco[/QUOTE]
Dongguan as referred to here mostly refers to Chang Ping, which is an easy 25 minutes fast train ride away.
Other parts of Dongguan (which is huge) can be reached by taxi/pirate taxis. i.e. Chang An Dongguan City (Dong cheng) houjie, Dalang, Zhangmotou, Humen, tangxia etc etc - but perhaps not worth it for you to explore that far away as you have limited time. Remember - Taxis can run you RMB 100, 150 one way and take you up to an hour each way. For RMB150 and at my age, for less time I can have a Hui Mei Alley or night market gal!!
BTW - Dongguan is the area just north of the Shenzhen area.
SEAJ
While reading through the various forums as part of my research for my upcoming trip to China, two websites were mentioned for getting cheap airfares in China. Unfortunately, I did not write them down and now can not find them again, even after doing a search. If someone knows of these websites, I would appreciate your posting them or PM me. Thanks
Thanks SEAJ. Though I must admit that it will be hard to tear myself away from the AC bars for more than a few days. Maybe I need to wait to dedicate an entire trip to the South China scene.
[QUOTE=Jimmy Boy 99]While reading through the various forums as part of my research for my upcoming trip to China, two websites were mentioned for getting cheap airfares in China. Unfortunately, I did not write them down and now can not find them again, even after doing a search. If someone knows of these websites, I would appreciate your posting them or PM me. Thanks[/QUOTE]
Probably the Ctrip and Elong sites. Just do a google search and they come up.
Ctrip and Elong are probably the two you're talking about. I find pricing is very similar between the two. I've used both and have had good experiences, although for my last few reservations I've used Elong. Their customer service is really good. I was able to change/cancel flights without hassle by calling them up or emailing.
[QUOTE=Jimmy Boy 99]While reading through the various forums as part of my research for my upcoming trip to China, two websites were mentioned for getting cheap airfares in China. Unfortunately, I did not write them down and now can not find them again, even after doing a search. If someone knows of these websites, I would appreciate your posting them or PM me.
Thanks[/QUOTE]
The latest news I hear is the foreigners on the past weeks busses going into Shenzhen, Shanghai & probably other cities have had police/army guys checking passports & visa.
A friend on an overnight bus Guilin to Shenzhen said, at the Shenzhen SEZ expressway gate, where the passport checks have been going on,
He said the coppers checked All the foreigners bags, even going to the below part of the bus & checking the big bags, not sure if looking for drugs or Tbet friendly things as Guilin is a gateway for tourists interested in traveling those western parts.
He said the cops gave one white guy a hard time about his having a Chinese bank account, said they rode him pretty hard asking why he was in China.
I know flying has become much stricter about items allowed, carried on & even checked luggage.
Dogs seen at many airports & train stations.
Heard No liquids allowed on trains now.
A bar in Shenzhen, Shekou had a group of uniforms come in & check ID’s, while there, they looked in ashtrays & cigarette packs, `prolly for joints?
So I’m asking;
Has anyone heard direct info or been subject to the passport check or other checks in their travels or daily lives anywhere In China lately?
Where? What did they ask to see?
Is a good copy of passport front page – current visa – entry stamp enough? `or do we need actual passport?
What are they searching bags for?
Been in a bar that got checked?
I took the fast train from Shilong to Shenzhen at noon today & everything appeared as months before walking from the fast train exit to the Shangri La to get a taxi, no extra law/army presence noticeable there.
Check the Beijing section. This has been a common occurrence for weeks now. It seems to travel South ....
[QUOTE=Hainanien]The latest news I hear is the foreigners on the past weeks busses going into Shenzhen, Shanghai & probably other cities have had police/army guys checking passports & visa.
A friend on an overnight bus Guilin to Shenzhen said, at the Shenzhen SEZ expressway gate, where the passport checks have been going on,
He said the coppers checked All the foreigners bags, even going to the below part of the bus & checking the big bags, not sure if looking for drugs or Tbet friendly things as Guilin is a gateway for tourists interested in traveling those western parts.
He said the cops gave one white guy a hard time about his having a Chinese bank account, said they rode him pretty hard asking why he was in China.
I know flying has become much stricter about items allowed, carried on & even checked luggage.
Dogs seen at many airports & train stations.
Heard No liquids allowed on trains now.
A bar in Shenzhen, Shekou had a group of uniforms come in & check ID’s, while there, they looked in ashtrays & cigarette packs, `prolly for joints?
So I’m asking;
Has anyone heard direct info or been subject to the passport check or other checks in their travels or daily lives anywhere In China lately?
Where? What did they ask to see?
Is a good copy of passport front page – current visa – entry stamp enough? `or do we need actual passport?
What are they searching bags for?
Been in a bar that got checked?
I took the fast train from Shilong to Shenzhen at noon today & everything appeared as months before walking from the fast train exit to the Shangri La to get a taxi, no extra law/army presence noticeable there.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Zhuren]Check the Beijing section. This has been a common occurrence for weeks now. It seems to travel South ....[/QUOTE]
In Shanghai foreigners are being sought out and thier local registration papers are being checked. In China, If a foreigner is staying anywhere other than a hotel or accepted expats compound, then he MUST register at the local police station within 24 hours on pain of a substantial fine. Also departures from China and returns must (Officially) be registered in the same way. Four years ago in Nanjing this was rigidly enforced, I regularly had three police officers at my door, to re-issue my registration, and take a quick shufty to see who was in the place. In Shanghai this has not been enforced for the past three years, I'm told that they want to tighten up due to the Olympics.
In the past few weeks there have been several police incursions into Massage parlours in the Weifang Lu area of Pudong. In two cases a customer was carted off with a masseuse for "interview", and later released, in another case the manageress got into an altercation with an officer, tearing off his shoulder insignia. Expensive! This evening I saw what appeared to be a raid in Nanquan Lu, mid way between Pudian Lu and Weifang Lu, East side, just inside the housing area gate, A squad car and four bobbies on mopeds were visiting a small massage parlour there.
Take Care
FZ
As an american bringing gifts to China, I find myself in the dilema of everything here is <Made in China . LOL it would be too ironic to bring a gift to China that was made in China and exported to the US only to be brought back.
The gifts are for a girlfriend and her parents. I discussed this with her, but am interested to see what ya'all think.
The best idea's I came up wtih was to bring some California Wine (A nice but not expensive Pinot Noir and Cabernet Sauvingnon) and cigarettes for dad and See's Candies for mom and girlfriend. Do these seem like proper gifts to bring and things that would be well received?
Thanks. I had seen them but I thought they were just hotel websites because of the way they were mentioned so I didn't think they were the ones I was looking for.
[QUOTE=Fuzimiao]. In China, If a foreigner is staying anywhere other than a hotel or accepted expats compound, then he MUST register at the local police station within 24 hours on pain of a substantial fine. [/QUOTE]
Small correction : Anybody who stays anywhere else than a hotel (inn, guest house) must register within 24hrs. Check-in at hotel etc. is considered registration. Known "expats compouinds" usuall carry big signs pointing this out in various languages....
Technically, you must have your ID and temporary registration on you at all times. Failure to do so can be grounds for arrest.
Cheap meat! Yeah, well I've yet to book my flights, but it looks like China is my next sexstination. LOL. Just got back indulging myself in Indonesia. But I'm getting sick of these southeast asian 'browny' women. So I'm looking for some really pale skinned Chinese girls. The paler the better. Whats the best location for mongering in China? Shenzhen or Shanghai? Or somewhere else? I'm looking for some cheap pussy. Maybe some brothel type places but I'm mainly looking for some freelancers or club type girls.
Thanks
FYI.
I clicked on this "China General Info" thread that suppossedly had a report by cheap Meat - but there was NO report by him. In fact, when I tried "more posts" of Cheap Meat - there was NO match - and I thought - how strange!!
Anyway, was just absent mindedly clicking on the photo gallery and came on tothe "Complaints about other members" thread - and came on the following things about Cheap Meat. And since he'd posted on the China threads - he's probably/maybe/possibly on the way over here???? Anyways, you guys may want to be aware of this guy.
There's also a picture of him so you'll recognize him (fact is - that's how I got to that "complaints thread - as I was just looking thru the photo gallery and saw a pciture of a GUY - which of course intrigued me - and PLEASE!!! No homo jibes please!)
SEAJ
[QUOTE=1Ball]Jackson, these 2 posts were taken from the Thai board. I am posting them here, in the hopes you read this thread more often that other threads, and do something about this guy.
I am also posting these 2 reports here, in the hope people who do not read the Thai board, actually get to read this, and shudder at the thought there are such disgusting pieces of cheap meat around.
Jackson, I know there have been many comments about this guy, I have reported the post to Admin, as I am sure many others have too.
This guy needs to be booted.
For your reading pleasure………………..[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Originally Posted by Cheap Meat
Paying the girls! It is as simple as that. And believe it or not, I get away with it. In fact, I have saved loads of money following these strategies. I have been able to have a blast in Pattaya on just 2, 000 baht a day. Now here's how I do it.
In order to get 'free' sex in Pattaya, you must find girls who are both naive and far away from your residence. Ideally, the girl would be inexperienced and shy. You do not want ladies who are aggresive in asking for money or ladies' drinks. They are more likely to come after you seeking payment.
Next, after you have fiI get free sex all the time here in Pattaya. You know how I do it? I simply avoid nished with your Long Time, you need to get her out of your room without paying her. If you stay in a room (such as a short time room) or have put your luggage somewhere else, you can just sneak out and dissappear.
Once she is out of your room and you haven't paid her, she is in your hands. Suggest that you and her go to Jomtien Beach for a bit of relaxation. You and her are sitting under one of those beach umbrellas. What a perfect time for you to go to the toilet! You make an excuse to go to the toilet while she stays there. Except, instead of going to the toilet, you head to your motorbike parked just past her sight down the road. Now you make your getaway and race back to your hotel room, check out, and check into a new hotel room! She has no idea where you are at now. Nor can she demand payment. Congradulations! You've just scored a 'freebie'!
Now there are many variations to this theme. For example, you could also suggest to her that she go to the hair salon or back to her room to change her clothes. You, being the trustworthy teelak, tell her that you'll come back and pick her up later. Only you never do!
If you have a motorbike, this makes everything all that easier. This is especially true when performing the 'driveoff' trick. Suppose your teelak wakes you up at the break of dawn and wants to go home. No problem, you say. You simply tell her that you'll take her back to her place. At no charge. She will no doubt agree to this proposal. You take her back to her room and drop her off. Just as she hops off your motorbike, you quickly say goodbye and drive off before she can ask for money. This take a little bit of skill, but with practice makes perfect!
Using these methods I have been able to get free sex here in Pattaya. I simply don't pay the girls anymore. It certainly helps stretch your budget during those long stays in Pattaya. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheap Meat
There are hardly any pimps in Pattaya. If you actually knew much about this town, which you don't, you'd know that. These girls stay together in small rooms. There are no men present.
So, I'm not afraid of anything. Just recently I picked up a girl on soi 13. Fucked her, then she wanted her money. You know what I did? Heheh. I drove her way out to sukhumvit and forced her off my motorbike (never paid her). I'm not making that up. I've done it before (pushed a girl into the ditch way outside Pattaya). And I don't care about the consequences because there haven't been any. I abuse the girls and I like it. Loll.
I get away with not paying the girls time and time again. You're just jealous cuz you don't get free poontang.
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Fuzimiao]In Shanghai foreigners are being sought out and thier local registration papers are being checked. In China, If a foreigner is staying anywhere other than a hotel or accepted expats compound, then he MUST register at the local police station within 24 hours on pain of a substantial fine. Also departures from China and returns must (Officially) be registered in the same way. Four years ago in Nanjing this was rigidly enforced, I regularly had three police officers at my door, to re-issue my registration, and take a quick shufty to see who was in the place. In Shanghai this has not been enforced for the past three years, I'm told that they want to tighten up due to the Olympics.
In the past few weeks there have been several police incursions into Massage parlours in the Weifang Lu area of Pudong. In two cases a customer was carted off with a masseuse for "interview", and later released, in another case the manageress got into an altercation with an officer, tearing off his shoulder insignia. Expensive! This evening I saw what appeared to be a raid in Nanquan Lu, mid way between Pudian Lu and Weifang Lu, East side, just inside the housing area gate, A squad car and four bobbies on mopeds were visiting a small massage parlour there.
Take Care
FZ[/QUOTE]
Sign for "Register With Police" from an old post.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=726229&postcount=2797[/url]
Yea, be sure to register if not staying at a hotel licensed to house foreigners, sure worth the hour it’ll take to avoid a trip to an interrogation room & possible fine, or worse.
When on the road, which is 20 days a month,
I usually have my hotel card on me & I prefer to carry a good copy of passport in case of loss with the real in my room safe.
I’m I correct to assume that along with being polite, these will be enough if I get stopped & asked?
Has Anyone been or know someone that has been through a document check the past week?
An online teacher friend living in Dalian tells of this a couple days ago;
“Last night some of our teachers and students were at McDonalds and a policeman demanded to see all of their passports. Since no one was carrying their passport, the policeman held one student hostage until everyone went home and returned with their passports. The policeman told them "If you are too scared to carry your passport, then go back to America."
I’m not sure if any even had copies on them as in the past, most living here don’t.
I read how No liquids or powders are allowed in plane carry on baggage now, None!
I talked with guys that go through the Shenzhen SEZ gate everyday in private cars, they say no new hassles… but the bus search from Guilin last week is sure.
I bussed from Shekou to Zhongshan today without incident.
[QUOTE=Hainanien]I talked with guys that go through the Shenzhen SEZ gate everyday in private cars, they say no new hassles… but the bus search from Guilin last week is sure.
I bussed from Shekou to Zhongshan today without incident.[/QUOTE]
They do random checks now and then, hence the SEZ checkpoint. I have never been asked to produce any documentation going through them, but I have friends who have.
I have been on a couple of busses from Dongguan to SZ, which were stopped, but the police just checked the "farmer" looking Chinese on the bus, never even bothered me.
I have also been reading on other forums, how many Chinese are upset about protests in other countries about the Olympics in China and Tibet. This could also be their reason to hassle foreigners. Here is one such post:
[QUOTE]Happened to me too two weeks ago. I was in the Amazon BBQ restaurant in Shekou, and this fight started out between an Australian and some Chinese people. Me and my friends didn't know why, we shrugged and kept eating. The Australian guy jumped over the fence and ran away and the Chinese guys came over to our table! Then we realized they were picking specifically on white people inside, table after table...
Their "leader" wanted us to drink for China and against France and England. (He kept shouting "French! English! Fuck!") over and over again. We were very, very accommodating, to the point of humiliation perhaps, and these guys didn't find any reason to beat us up, although they really tried for about half an hour.
They they moved to the next table - there was a Russian family there - and we got out.[/QUOTE]
My 2 fen,
-CPE
[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]Dongguan as referred to here mostly refers to Chang Ping, which is an easy 25 minutes fast train ride away.
Other parts of Dongguan (which is huge) can be reached by taxi/pirate taxis. i.e. Chang An Dongguan City (Dong cheng) houjie, Dalang, Zhangmotou, Humen, tangxia etc etc - but perhaps not worth it for you to explore that far away as you have limited time. Remember - Taxis can run you RMB 100, 150 one way and take you up to an hour each way. For RMB150 and at my age, for less time I can have a Hui Mei Alley or night market gal!!
BTW - Dongguan is the area just north of the Shenzhen area.
SEAJ[/QUOTE]
Thank you very much Sir. Very helpfull as always. Was kind of confused.
El Greco
Pretty much that sums it up in China and need I add, in the U.S. as well.
Of course, being a pretty boy anywhere helps alot too.
Chinese men outside Asia are not exactly top of the food chain either for freebies with other gals of different race. Welcome to the club. What comes around goes around.
Bill
[QUOTE=Night Cat]On P4P, I agree with Ace, the bigger the city, the worse it gets, quality vs. price. Beijing is a case in point. Smaller cities vary, and it takes time to find the places that suit you.
Regarding non-pro, I might agree with Exile's comment about "connections," assuming he means that it's difficult if you just show up in a new city as a random stranger. I think the availability of freebies is directly proportional to one's perceived status and stability (as judged from your job, your apartment, your connections, etc.). Lately, as a lone drifter, I scarcely find freebies. Earlier, as a teacher in a well-known university, I did OK. An expat in a foreign company will do even better. Also -- casual may be difficult unless you're willing to try older gals (or so I've found).
There are so many factors. Race, age, and other physical attributes could matter, depending on the girl. I've been turned down for P4P just because I'm a foreigner, but in other cases it has worked in my favor.
I don't know if the above helps. I, too, would like it if I could find freebies whenever I want, like some guys on this forum, and I don't know their situation (status, social connections, or what age/looks of gals they're getting), so I just thought I'd add another perspective based on my own "mixed" results. Good luck, and YMMV.[/QUOTE]
What Price True Love?
“Thank God you DID call me – I thought that I was going to never see you again.”
That was Jiao Jiao’s greetings when she walked in the door.
Just an hour or so earlier, I was just walking out the BBS with Fa Fa in tow when I stumbled upon Jiao Jiao; and it felt like a jolt of electricity! Beautiful…Really beautiful is all I could muster to say as I asked her for her telephone number. Without a word and staring at me the whole time, she scribbled her details and held my hands briefly as she handed it over. Damn, I wish I hadn’t already chosen Fa Fa – and already handed the mommie RMB100 for Fa Fa! Damn, I wish I was with Jiao Jiao instead. Oh well!!
But sometimes good things happen by mistake; Fa Fa was ….. EXCELLENT!! How do I say it? How about Sauna experience from a BBS gal? Yup – that’s it! Total sauna experience executed with superior skill and surgical precision (Oh wow – she DOES know ALL the erogenous zones!). That – accompanied with mental images of Jiao Jiao – and not that Fa Fa was a fuglie – no, actually she’s quite good looking in the Ah Mei mould.
Mission accomplished. Very satisfied. But….Well…. I wasn’t about to let the good times come to a screeching halt. Nope, no way – and dialed Jiao Jiao’s number as I handed the phone to Fa Fa to tell her to give directions to Jiao Jiao to where we were at. And that was how Jiao made it to my door within 10 minutes flat – just when Fa Fa was walking out. Oh Yeah – Good times!!
Ningbo beauty with skin just a tinge darker than the usual Shanghai Beauty – but with all the Shanghai coquettishness! Huge Tits combined with a trim body – what more could a man ask for? Howsabout True Love????!!! At least that’s what the conversation immediately turned to right then and there.
How electrified she was when she first saw me, how her heart beat rapidly when I went and talked to her, how afraid she was of never being able to see me again – and me professing my undying appreciation at how beautiful she is, how I love the way she pouts her lips, how nice she smells – how she fulfills 100% of the criteria of my dream of the Perfect Gal. Yup – True Love at First Sight!
“Hey, you don’t have to tell your mommie when you see me – and save having to pay her RMB100!” - Me making plans for future trysts – perhaps even keeping her.
“You gonna give me 250 right?” She matter of factly said. “No – it’s 200 isn’t it?” I absent-mindedly asked. And it went on… and on… and on… and right there and then the whole aura just disappeared – over RMB50!! Oh well……. Better now than later….
For my True Love at First Sight!!
SEAJ
SEAJ
Damn it you said "Ah Mei" and I misted over. Although, haven't seen too many lookers like Ah Mei still can't complain with all the Mei Mei's ?
Wapec
[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]What Price True Love?
“Thank God you DID call me – I thought that I was going to never see you again.”
That was Jiao Jiao’s greetings when she walked in the door.
Just an hour or so earlier, I was just walking out the BBS with Fa Fa in tow when I stumbled upon Jiao Jiao; and it felt like a jolt of electricity! Beautiful…Really beautiful is all I could muster to say as I asked her for her telephone number. Without a word and staring at me the whole time, she scribbled her details and held my hands briefly as she handed it over. Damn, I wish I hadn’t already chosen Fa Fa – and already handed the mommie RMB100 for Fa Fa! Damn, I wish I was with Jiao Jiao instead. Oh well!!
But sometimes good things happen by mistake; Fa Fa was ….. EXCELLENT!! How do I say it? How about Sauna experience from a BBS gal? Yup – that’s it! Total sauna experience executed with superior skill and surgical precision (Oh wow – she DOES know ALL the erogenous zones!). That – accompanied with mental images of Jiao Jiao – and not that Fa Fa was a fuglie – no, actually she’s quite good looking in the Ah Mei mould.
Mission accomplished. Very satisfied. But….Well…. I wasn’t about to let the good times come to a screeching halt. Nope, no way – and dialed Jiao Jiao’s number as I handed the phone to Fa Fa to tell her to give directions to Jiao Jiao to where we were at. And that was how Jiao made it to my door within 10 minutes flat – just when Fa Fa was walking out. Oh Yeah – Good times!!
Ningbo beauty with skin just a tinge darker than the usual Shanghai Beauty – but with all the Shanghai coquettishness! Huge Tits combined with a trim body – what more could a man ask for? Howsabout True Love????!!! At least that’s what the conversation immediately turned to right then and there.
How electrified she was when she first saw me, how her heart beat rapidly when I went and talked to her, how afraid she was of never being able to see me again – and me professing my undying appreciation at how beautiful she is, how I love the way she pouts her lips, how nice she smells – how she fulfills 100% of the criteria of my dream of the Perfect Gal. Yup – True Love at First Sight!
“Hey, you don’t have to tell your mommie when you see me – and save having to pay her RMB100!” - Me making plans for future trysts – perhaps even keeping her.
“You gonna give me 250 right?” She matter of factly said. “No – it’s 200 isn’t it?” I absent-mindedly asked. And it went on… and on… and on… and right there and then the whole aura just disappeared – over RMB50!! Oh well……. Better now than later….
For my True Love at First Sight!!
SEAJ[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Clandestine782]Go over your notes, little lady. I took a ride to a neighboring town that was about 20 minutes away by motorcycle because overnight there was about 200RMB (as opposed to 300RMB and a lower selection in the city in which I was).[/QUOTE]
My notes big man: an excerpt from one of your more eloquent and enlightening posts:
[i]What is the moral of this story?
1. At rock bottom prices, the girls are likely to be so far away from the city center that they have never seen a foreigner in all of their life. They might also be afraid that they might get ruptured from having sex with a black man. (Chinese men must have REALLY little dicks like I've heard so often from Western women.)
2. Outside of the big cities, the police DON'T have it under control and that might be a BETTER place to get robbed/ murdered than the biggest cities. (This is in spite of the fact that taxi drivers in Beijing and Guangzhou have shields between them and the customers-- and that one driver told me that 4 taxi drivers had been killed that year in Beijing alone.) My employer has told me time and time again "If you venture outside of Huaihua, we cannot be responsible for your safety." WTF???[/i]
Your entire story here - just so that I don't misquote you or take your comments out of context: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=485746&postcount=1524[/url]
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]I'm not here to insult you.
Goofy guys like me can get laid and are courted by local gals.
So what's your background? If you want to openly discuss this.
Bill[/QUOTE]Hey Guys,
Just wondering. I'm coming to China in June to late July. Probably in Shenzen region or somewhere else in Guangzhou as I only speak English and Cantonese. Are they cracking down like crazy because of Olympics? I also heard it's really dangerous in China now in terms of crime? Any tips for a foreigner?
Thanks!
[QUOTE=Hatztowork]Hey Guys,
Just wondering. I'm coming to China in June to late July. Probably in Shenzen region or somewhere else in Guangzhou as I only speak English and Cantonese. Are they cracking down like crazy because of Olympics? I also heard it's really dangerous in China now in terms of crime? Any tips for a foreigner?
Thanks![/QUOTE]
Not much has changed in Shenzhen in the run-up to the Olympics. The biggest change (as often mentioned here) is to have your visa in order before you come. Businessmen and tourists have been stuck in HK due to the changes in mainland visa policies (mainly the difficulty in obtaining a multiple entry visa and the need to obtain a visa in your home country).
I've never had any crime related problems in China during the last four years. Saying that, however, you must always be mindful of your surroundings. Don't go down dark alleys by yourself, etc. Luckily in China it's pretty easy to stay in the crowd. China is rampant with pickpockets and petty crime, but I believe it to be one of the safest places on the planet otherwise.
Just my 2 kuai worth
[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]FYI.
I clicked on this "China General Info" thread that suppossedly had a report by cheap Meat - but there was NO report by him. In fact, when I tried "more posts" of Cheap Meat - there was NO match - and I thought - ho
SEAJ[/QUOTE]A couple of stories.
1) I worked with a Lebanese who wasn't happy unless he "screwed" (both ways) a girl every week or two. He was found dead. Overdose. Discreet inquiries indicated an SW dressed as a student was involved.
2) Many years ago, I worked with an East European who was a boy in a DP camp in the British Zone shortly after WWII. They were in great difficulty, and his young aunt went to the Brit troops with a sack. Serviced a bunch of them and was promised a full sack of food. The Brits drove by later, threw the empty sack at her and jeered and called her names. The boy grew up skilled in all sorts of nasty things. He lives now in his hometown in Eastern Europe. We still keep in touch.
I try not to gratuitously harm the Chinese. And they have not gratuitously harmed me.
I had a bbs girl today who politely ask me to kiss her pussy. Well, of course I did. Then she asked me to blow her. Well, don't you know I did. I'm sometimes the willing gentleman, but I have never before had a bbs girl ASK me. Have any of you guys experienced this "request" before?
Famous quote: When Adam delved and Eve span, who was then the gentleman?
Santa,
You probably asked her to BJ you for too long. She might have used that as a tactic. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Most local guys do not like going down on the girl, especially if it is a WG. Good thing you called her bluff, Santa. Show her laowais are not to be trifled with.
[QUOTE=Santa]I had a bbs girl today who politely ask me to kiss her pussy. Well, of course I did. Then she asked me to blow her. Well, don't you know I did. I'm sometimes the willing gentleman, but I have never before had a bbs girl ASK me. Have any of you guys experienced this "request" before?
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Santa]I had a bbs girl today who politely ask me to kiss her pussy. Well, of course I did. Then she asked me to blow her. Well, don't you know I did. I'm sometimes the willing gentleman, but I have never before had a bbs girl ASK me. Have any of you guys experienced this "request" before?
Famous quote: When Adam delved and Eve span, who was then the gentleman?[/QUOTE]I would seriously worry about blowing a girl, nothing like the nasty sound of a pussy fart!
CPE
Sorry, but I didn't catch real meaning of "blowing".
Yes, in case you blow into a pussy farting occurs.
I had experienced this long ago when I did this just to try.
In my post I only meant DATY.
[QUOTE=CPExpat]I would seriously worry about blowing a girl, nothing like the nasty sound of a pussy fart!
CPE[/QUOTE]
Well, she asked me to blow her (chui wo), but I think her intention was for me to DATY, and that's what I did. I think she was amused by it. She thought it was funny and wanted to try it out. She was fairly new to the mongering game.
My guess is that not many chinese guys would do it. Is that right?
I went first, so it wasn't a cunning attempt to quit giving me my blow job.
[QUOTE=Santa]Well, she asked me to blow her (chui wo), but I think her intention was for me to DATY, and that's what I did. I think she was amused by it. She thought it was funny and wanted to try it out. She was fairly new to the mongering game.
My guess is that not many chinese guys would do it. Is that right?
I went first, so it wasn't a cunning attempt to quit giving me my blow job.[/QUOTE]The whole foreplay is the big unknown in this country, so our advantage with semi-pros and the interested ones but disadvantage with the full pros who just want to get it over.
If you can show the gals respect and generate some pleasure for them, you will always benefit from a good session in return. I had even pros ask me for DATY and it changed the experience from mechanical and fake to fun on both ends!
Just my POV
FA
[QUOTE=Santa]Well, she asked me to blow her (chui wo), but I think her intention was for me to DATY, and that's what I did. I think she was amused by it. She thought it was funny and wanted to try it out. She was fairly new to the mongering game.
My guess is that not many chinese guys would do it. Is that right?
I went first, so it wasn't a cunning attempt to quit giving me my blow job.[/QUOTE]I met a non wg one time that never had a man go down on her. So she ask me about it. I just gave her a licking and after that we always started the session with me giving her a licking. After that she told me that most of the local guys never want to go down but prefer to get blowin. She loves getting an orgasm first early in the foreplay. What could I say but oblige.
As for WG, I prefer not to go down unless I know that they just showered and is totally clean. Some of the WG do have a bit of an odor issue. Just my pov.
[blue]Gentlemen,
The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.
Let's get back to the subject.
Thank You,
Jackson[/blue]
Foreplay is fairly unknown in China Mainland and not practised much (yet). From conversations with married friends its usually the wives who get curious and ask lots of questions (with their husbands present so no opportunity for a demo) about oral sex by a man to a woman. This has happened to me in Northern, Southern & Eastern China, Taiwan & a much lesser extent in Hong Kong.
Most of the Chinese husbands are not impressed because traditionally sex is male dominated and culturally the view is that sex is about making babies and perpetuating the male lineage. Communism has brought superficial equality in many male female relations (compared to traditional Confucian values) but it hasn't extended into the bedroom.
So I would concur with the view that its to a Laowai / GuiLo' s advantage to provide as its not taught or common practice. Freebies will lap it up. For a Pro, personally, I don't see the point given the potential communicable risks which aren't always visible or obvious. Also, when doing a prop the experience is all about me - why else would one pay!
An interesting story by Santa and, more so, an interesting experience for the memoirs.
Just my pov.
[QUOTE=Santa]I had a bbs girl today who politely ask me to kiss her pussy. Well, of course I did. Then she asked me to blow her. Well, don't you know I did. I'm sometimes the willing gentleman, but I have never before had a bbs girl ASK me. Have any of you guys experienced this "request" before?
Famous quote: When Adam delved and Eve span, who was then the gentleman?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bnlee2]As for WG, I prefer not to go down unless I know that they just showered and is totally clean. [/QUOTE]
It's high risk and a shower won't help much. Gonorrhea is very common and widespread in China. I just got rid of one! To make it worse, girls are often gonorrhea carrier with no visible symptoms, they themself may not know. Means they may spread it around for weeks till they get feedback from a customer.
Then they probably get some antibiotics recommended by their commercial "mom". That may, or may not cure it. The result can be a more antibiotic resistant gonorrhea bacteria.
BTW, my case came from my last BBBJ, which was really my last BBBJ.
[QUOTE=DayNight]It's high risk and a shower won't help much. Gonorrhea is very common and widespread in China. I just got rid of one! To make it worse, girls are often gonorrhea carrier with no visible symptoms, they themself may not know. Means they may spread it around for weeks till they get feedback from a customer.
Then they probably get some antibiotics recommended by their commercial "mom". That may, or may not cure it. The result can be a more antibiotic resistant gonorrhea bacteria.
BTW, my case came from my last BBBJ, which was really my last BBBJ.[/QUOTE]What were your symptoms.?
I have been coming to China for a long time --- about 7 years in total.
Here is some advice:
If you want to live well in China, stay away from Shenzhen, Guangzhou and similar places. Those places the expensive cities in China. If you travel even 30-45 mins outside of those places, prices for food (Chinese food), taxis, accomandation (hotels and apartments), and prices for hookers reduce by about 50-60% or sometimes even higher. In provincial China, it gets even cheaper but you will need a good command of Mandarin as spoken English would be no existant.
I hope this helps,
ACE
[QUOTE=Bnlee2]What were your symptoms.?[/QUOTE]Hmmm, I just got something that I've never seen before. Some light bumps over my crotch area, slightly itchy, no pain. Just enough to be irritating. Told the divorced woman that I'm currently seeing and she immediately brought me some cream and pills to take twice a day. It seems that her ex-husband has also visited the ladies as well. She is amazingly okay with this. I say this since I haven't taken it that far with her. She just wanted to see and tells me thanks for being honest with her and once I recover, she will blow my mind. This is I'm what talking about the good and bad of China. This would never happen in the US. She understands and is waiting for me to get better. Go figure!
Anybody have any idea what this is?
This site has been blocked in the internet cafes I went to in China the last days, now it has finally become accessible again.
Well, I'm back once again in the land of vice and honey. Landed in Beijing and checked into a youth hostel (180 RMB/night for single room) in Chaoyang district, next to which they conveniently ran a brothel with a big sign "foot massage". The youth hostel contained the typical mix of clueless American bums loafing around. The first evening I went to the North Korean restaurant to try to pick up waitresses there, withouth much success. So I returned to the youth hostel and checked into the brothel next door, paid 150RMB for the first girl to give me a massage and HJ, then another 150RMB for another girl to follow up with another HJ and gave her a tip to sit on my face while doing it.
Then the trip went on to Wuhan, checked into a local college dorm. About 200 meters from the college there is a street with many BBS, price for ST is 150 RMB, have been there several times now. Most of the girls are local from Hubei, really quite nice, 150RMB includes BJ if you ask for it before.
Also been busy chatting up girl students at the college to find a GF.
[QUOTE=Ace of Spades]
If you want to live well in China, stay away from Shenzhen, Guangzhou and similar places. Those places the expensive cities in China. If you travel even 30-45 mins outside of those places, prices for food (Chinese food), taxis, accomandation (hotels and apartments), and prices for hookers reduce by about 50-60% or sometimes even higher. In provincial China, it gets even cheaper but you will need a good command of Mandarin as spoken English would be no existant.
I hope this helps,
ACE[/QUOTE]
In Wuhan the starting price for taxis is only 3 RMB, hookers are 150-200, fried noodles with egg (chaomian) are 4 RMB, beer in the same restaurants 2-3RMB/bottle, I like this place.
[QUOTE=BossLove72]Hmmm, I just got something that I've never seen before. Some light bumps over my crotch area, slightly itchy, no pain. Just enough to be irritating. Told the divorced woman that I'm currently seeing and she immediately brought me some cream and pills to take twice a day. --cut--
Anybody have any idea what this is?[/QUOTE]
For obvious reasons, a diagnosis over a sex site may not be the most accurate. Bunch of blind people leading the blind, really. Anyway, for whatever it is worth, if it is a part of the crotch and not the whole thing and maybe spread to beyond the crotch, and it is red plus the itchy you mentioned, it could be tinea cruris. This is contagious. It is a type of fungal infection and can be cured.
Another possibility is a heat rash which would have tiny white spots within the itchy area. This is not contagious but very irritating.
Both do not need antibiotics but might be helped by keeping it cool, dry and antifungal creams. Antifungal oral meds are fairly toxic and might be avoided if at all possible.
Chlamydia, gonnorhea, other STDs are possible but less likely based on your two sentence description. Now ask me gynecology questions, I'm much better at that anatomy... :)
[QUOTE=Phil1980]This site has been blocked in the internet cafes I went to in China the last days, now it has finally become accessible again.
Well, I'm back once again in the land of vice and honey. Landed in Beijing and checked into a youth hostel (180 RMB/night for single room) in Chaoyang district, next to which they conveniently ran a brothel with a big sign "foot massage". The youth hostel contained the typical mix of clueless American bums loafing around. The first evening I went to the North Korean restaurant to try to pick up waitresses there, withouth much success. So I returned to the youth hostel and checked into the brothel next door, paid 150RMB for the first girl to give me a massage and HJ, then another 150RMB for another girl to follow up with another HJ and gave her a tip to sit on my face while doing it.
Then the trip went on to Wuhan, checked into a local college dorm. About 200 meters from the college there is a street with many BBS, price for ST is 150 RMB, have been there several times now. Most of the girls are local from Hubei, really quite nice, 150RMB includes BJ if you ask for it before.
Also been busy chatting up girl students at the college to find a GF.[/QUOTE]
Most people will strike out when trying to pick up a North Korean girl, unless you are a North Korean VIP, in which case you can have your way with them.
From what I understand, the waitresses from North Korea are highly restricted in anything they do. They are basically under lock and key. They can't go out unless escorted by North Korean security. They can't leave the restaurant, and at one of the North Korean restaurants I have been to in Beijing, the staff all basically live in dorms at the restaurant.
Basically, the staff that get the "opportunity" to work outside of North Korea consider it a privilege.
I suspect they will be shot if they try to escape or do anything naughty. Actually, their whole family back in N Korea will be killed if they do anything, and they know this.
MAB
It's helpful to show your doctor before it heals and goes "underground."
Bill
[QUOTE=BossLove72]Hmmm, I just got something that I've never seen before. Some light bumps over my crotch area, slightly itchy, no pain. Just enough to be irritating. Told the divorced woman that I'm currently seeing and she immediately brought me some cream and pills to take twice a day. It seems that her ex-husband has also visited the ladies as well. She is amazingly okay with this. I say this since I haven't taken it that far with her. She just wanted to see and tells me thanks for being honest with her and once I recover, she will blow my mind. This is I'm what talking about the good and bad of China. This would never happen in the US. She understands and is waiting for me to get better. Go figure!
Anybody have any idea what this is?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BossLove72] Some light bumps over my crotch area, slightly itchy, no pain.
Anybody have any idea what this is?[/QUOTE]
I sometimes get very light and slightly itchy bumps between my fingers, and it only seems to happen when in China.
Is it possibly an allergic reaction to soap residue?
Chances are you got a heat rash, if the rash itself is limited to crotch area.
For an accurate diagnosis go to any large hospital, get a blood test (they will prick your finger) and looked at by a doctor (dermatology department) to rule out any problems. If it does turn out you got an STD, your divorced lady friend and other partners should all get promptly tested and treated. Sometimes ladies show no symptoms
[QUOTE=BossLove72]Hmmm, I just got something that I've never seen before. Some light bumps over my crotch area, slightly itchy, no pain. Just enough to be irritating. Told the divorced woman that I'm currently seeing and she immediately brought me some cream and pills to take twice a day. It seems that her ex-husband has also visited the ladies as well. She is amazingly okay with this. I say this since I haven't taken it that far with her. She just wanted to see and tells me thanks for being honest with her and once I recover, she will blow my mind. This is I'm what talking about the good and bad of China. This would never happen in the US. She understands and is waiting for me to get better. Go figure!
Anybody have any idea what this is?[/QUOTE]
I'm gonna guess Crabs! Second choice will be Crotch Rot!
Seriously, go see a doctor.
Also, if you think it might be some form of STD, I would suggest going out of country, HK/Macau, or know a doc you can trust. I have heard that doctors are required to report to the government, people with STD's...this would not be good for a foreigner. Anyone else ever heard this?
[QUOTE=Ace of Spades]Chances are you got a heat rash, if the rash itself is limited to crotch area.
For an accurate diagnosis go to any large hospital, get a blood test (they will prick your finger) and looked at by a doctor (dermatology department) to rule out any problems. If it does turn out you got an STD, your divorced lady friend and other partners should all get promptly tested and treated. Sometimes ladies show no symptoms[/QUOTE]
Definitely go and get yourself checked out as there ARE a great variety of STD's and other nasties. But as per CPE, I'd go to a doctor/hospital outside of China as yes, I do believe that they will report you to the authorities if you are found to be infected with an STD.
Meanwhile, please also know that there ARE occassions when the extra high humidity in many parts of China give rise to various fungal infection/jock itch/allergies. This being so, as my first "line of defense" I pick up (for a few Bahts in Thailand) and regularly use "Snake Brand" Prickly Heat powder manufactured by British Dispensary - which lots of Thai guys use. This powder is also available in some of those Thai food shops in Hong Kong. Otherwise, there are also local PRC brands/manfuacture that you should be able to get in China.
SEAJ
/////This is on today's South China Morning Post///
COUNTDOWN TO THE OLYMPICS
Reuters in Beijing
Jun 03, 2008
The organisers of the Beijing Olympics yesterday reminded foreigners to behave, warning them that everything from protesting without permission to sleeping outdoors was forbidden. They also said holders of Olympics tickets were not guaranteed visas.
The extensive list, written only in Chinese and put up on the organisers' official website ([url]www.Beijing2008.cn[/url]), says entry will be denied to anyone intent on "subversion", those with mental illnesses and sexually transmitted diseases, and people who wish to engage in prostitution. "Foreigners should respect Chinese laws while in China and should not harm China's national security or damage social order," it says.
The reminder warns the 500,000 overseas visitors who are expected to come to Beijing in August that China is still a country with many off-limits areas and beholden to bureaucracy and public-security organs.
"Not all of China is currently open to foreigners, and if foreigners do not have permission they should not go into areas not opened," it reads.
"Foreigners should carry with them relevant documents. The police, in the course of doing their job, have the right to check foreigners' passports and other documents," the reminder says, adding that foreigners should register with the police upon arrival.
The government has denied keeping a blacklist of what it considers potentially troublemaking journalists, but is eager to avoid activists from human-rights or pro-Tibet groups staging protests at the Games, hence the tougher visa controls.
"Foreign spectators will not necessarily automatically get visas just because they have bought Olympic tickets, and still need to apply for visas in accordance with the rules at Chinese embassies," the list says.
The reminder also outlines six activities that are illegal at cultural or sporting events. These include waving "insulting banners", attacking referees or players, and smoking or lighting fireworks in venues.
And you can forget about sleeping outdoors to save a bit of money.
It is not allowed, to "maintain public hygiene and the cultured image of cities".
Well, depends. If you are a laowai, it's obvious you are not local. If you are a ABC, they don't even ask for ID in hospitals. So couldn't report you if they wanted to.
[QUOTE=CPExpat]
Also, if you think it might be some form of STD, I would suggest going out of country, HK/Macau, or know a doc you can trust. I have heard that doctors are required to report to the government, people with STD's...this would not be good for a foreigner. Anyone else ever heard this?[/QUOTE]
I have to agree on this one,,I have never had to show ID for any visits to hospitals in China,,and I have been many many times (kids are sick all the time,,)
As long as you have those pieces of red paper with Maos face on it for the bill you are OK. No need for ID at all.
Give a fake name if you are worried about it, and get the number of the doctor so you can just call for the results.
Was with a fellow monger who was carrying quite openly/quite easy to see/ sticking out of his pocket a 6" Switch blade - one of those that when you press a button, the blade would flick out. Reason he carries it he tells me is to drive off beggars and to possibly use if he gets into any 'situations' in china.
Now I know that I wouldn't cary one myself as I would be deathly afraid of not being able to use it properly and that instad it would be used against me!!
But am wondering - is such a flick knife legal to carry around in China?
I KNOW that its is definitely NOT legal to do so in Hong Kong and that one will get into some real deep trouble if caught with one here.
SEAJ.
ps. Please no RTFF retorts!! Or telling me that its got nuthin' to do with mongering - this is the General Info thread!!
[QUOTE=Kunshan]I have to agree on this one,,I have never had to show ID for any visits to hospitals in China,,and I have been many many times (kids are sick all the time,,)
As long as you have those pieces of red paper with Maos face on it for the bill you are OK. No need for ID at all.
Give a fake name if you are worried about it, and get the number of the doctor so you can just call for the results.[/QUOTE]
Wadman and you've pointed out the "loophole" in the whole system - but legally speaking and without using the loopholes etc - a doctor/hospital in China is I BELIEVE, required to report to the authorities any foreign national diagnosed to be harboring an STD.
A person can do ANYTHING ANYWHERE (if not caught) - the thing to remember though, is if such action is strictly legal or not.
SEAJ
SEA JOE,
I have been living in China for nearly 5 years now and I can tell you that everyday of those 5 years I have always carried my 3 inch bladed Benchmade knife (the folding type). I have entered many clubs with metal detectors (what a joke) and never been challenged to give it up by security. I have checked the knife, to board planes, in my luggage and have never have had a problem.
Now as to the law, I am sure the Chinese will translate the law in any fashion that seems useful at the time they so desire to take an edged weapon away from anyone.
I think the real problem starts when folks are carrying around fixed blades, the ones that dont fold, longer more durable knives. As long as you dont strap one of those chopper looking things to your side, your probably not going to draw much attention to yourself with a SMALL folder or automatic, something that is primarily used as a tool for opening packages, cleaning under fingernails, cutting cord/rope, freeing yourself or others from a seatbelt.
Hope this helps
Well, for a proper blood test you DO need to submit ID. This is a different procedure and only certain hospitals are qualified to do these. The one STD China really cares about is AIDS. So, if you do blood test, and it turns up positive for AIDS, they will kick you out (so I have heard).
For Gonnorhea, Chlamidya, etc, I don't think they could care less.
[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]Wadman and you've pointed out the "loophole" in the whole system - but legally speaking and without using the loopholes etc - a doctor/hospital in China is I BELIEVE, required to report to the authorities any foreign national diagnosed to be harboring an STD.
A person can do ANYTHING ANYWHERE (if not caught) - the thing to remember though, is if such action is strictly legal or not.
SEAJ[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Batman]SEA JOE,
I have been living in China for nearly 5 years now and I can tell you that everyday of those 5 years I have always carried my 3 inch bladed Benchmade knife (the folding type). I have entered many clubs with metal detectors (what a joke) and never been challenged to give it up by security. I have checked the knife, to board planes, in my luggage and have never have had a problem.
Now as to the law, I am sure the Chinese will translate the law in any fashion that seems useful at the time they so desire to take an edged weapon away from anyone.
I think the real problem starts when folks are carrying around fixed blades, the ones that dont fold, longer more durable knives. As long as you dont strap one of those chopper looking things to your side, your probably not going to draw much attention to yourself with a SMALL folder or automatic, something that is primarily used as a tool for opening packages, cleaning under fingernails, cutting cord/rope, freeing yourself or others from a seatbelt.
Hope this helps[/QUOTE]
Thanks for your input.
Yes, I can see where a 3" foldable knife - or those like the Swiss Army type would not be too much of a problem - those are even fine to carry around in Hong Kong.
But what I saw him carrying was one of those real mean looking flick knife with the automatic release, 6" long real pointy blade, Rambo type ridges on one side and real sharp on the other that can/fashioned to definitely cause some serious bodily harm. In other words a SERIOUS injury/fighting type knife.
Just curious actually
SEAJ
As far as I know, hospitals won't ask for any ID. The practice might be different in larger cities, but I am located near Guangzhou about 30 mins away. Hospitals record very little information, you can even use a false name, no one will check.
Basically, you walk into the registration area in any hospital, tell the clerk which department you will visit, e.g, dermatology, fill out a form, pay 2 or 3 RMB (sometimes higher) for registration this will also cover the consulation with the doctor. The clerk gives a receipt, a hospital card for future use, a prescription form and a record book. Proceed to relevant department.
I am not sure about HIV/AIDS testing in China, but my feeling is that ID might be required and the Public Security Bureau may get a copy of the results, especially if positive.
L visa May 2nd in HK, got the 90 day doubly 30 day entry L or tourist visa. $1600HK for U. S. passport
Just made a trip to Hong Kong, Kawloon, went & got new visa, talked with a gent with a British passport & he paid 1250 for the same visa.
There was a $100hk fee for dummy plane ticket & hotel reservations, included in the 1600, have heard some HK agents don’t charge the 100 extra.
My place says if in by 11am, can pick up next day 12:30 – 1:00 (I did). In before 3pm can get the next day tween 5 & 6.
I only gave my passport & one photo, they did the rest, dang near positive it’s a legit visa as I just passed through Luohu a few hours ago.
My last visa was a Dragon 6 month multi entry F visa I obtained in Shanghai, didn’t seem to matter as the only question the girl asked me was `1 or 2 entry?”
My heart sank when the currier handed the agent 5 or 6 passports saying “one got declined”… not sure the story, I shoulda asked but was in a rush to get the 1:15 ferry back to Shekou, which I missed.
I’ve heard first hand of 3 different agents getting the 90 day tourist visa good for 2-30 day entries for U.S. & British, looks like many of the usual travel / visa agents Can get for the top 7 or 8 countries.
In the travel office was a sign listing countries they Can’t get the visa for, long list that excluded any of the top countries, too many for me to remember. I have a couple HK agent numbers if someone needs, PM me.
Departing in Shekou yesterday, at the ferry port, they scanned my lightly packed bag, along with Everything people were carrying. I had a bundle of pink notes in mine, they pulled me out of line, looked in my bag & asked `how much? Then they said Only 20,000 RMB was allowed each time out leaving China, but, they’ll let me through with my 30k, but next time I need to be careful to pay attention & let they me through.
A Normal uneventful entry back through Luohu at 2pm today, seemed quiet though.
Heard rumor U.S. passports being declined the one year multy visa, In the states as of 8 days ago, `hope not.
I’m good till August with this one, gonna wait till then to know what / how my next visa will be.
[QUOTE=Hainanien]Heard rumor U.S. passports being declined the one year multy visa, In the states as of 8 days ago, `hope not.
I’m good till August with this one, gonna wait till then to know what / how my next visa will be.[/QUOTE]
I got a one year, multi-entry visa in my US passport at the end of May, so it is possible.
Hmm... using this logic you (and the rest of us) should stay out of CP, CA, Shenzhen, and everywhere else for mongering. Because officially, prostitution is illegal in China. But we all still go. Why? Because we deem the risk acceptable.
[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]Wadman and you've pointed out the "loophole" in the whole system - but legally speaking and without using the loopholes etc - a doctor/hospital in China is I BELIEVE, required to report to the authorities any foreign national diagnosed to be harboring an STD.
A person can do ANYTHING ANYWHERE (if not caught) - the thing to remember though, is if such action is strictly legal or not.
SEAJ[/QUOTE]
Entry would be banned to anyone who was intent on 'subversion' upon arriving in China, those with mental illnesses and sexually transmitted diseases and [b]people who wished to engage in prostitution[/b], the rules read.
'Foreigners must respect Chinese laws while in China and must not harm China's national security or damage social order,' the rules say.
[url]http://www.straitstimes.com/Latest%2BNews/Asia/STIStory_243596.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Wadman]Hmm... using this logic you (and the rest of us) should stay out of CP, CA, Shenzhen, and everywhere else for mongering. Because officially, prostitution is illegal in China. But we all still go. Why? Because we deem the risk acceptable.[/QUOTE]
Yes, prostitution is technically illegal in China. The risk is acceptable because it is allowed.
If it were not illegal, LE would not be able to extort money, I mean get red envelopes, from houses of ill repute quite so easily. In fact because it is technically illegal, LE earn much more protection money from it.
Because there is so much money made off of it, LE and government turn a blind eye, which makes the risk acceptable.
MAB
While studying at a Shenzhen institution, the person responsible for visas kept reminding us that you can only use an L or F visa for the first 6 months. After 6 months, you must apply for a study visa (through the school, i.e. through him). He used pretty much the exact same words: "Foreigners must repsect Chinese laws...".
A 12 month study visa is 600 rmb, 400 rmb for 6 months. He encouraged students to get a 12 month one. The 12 month visa turns out to be 11 months only. Turns out that he pays 400 rmb for ANY study visa less than 1 year. And yup, pockets the rest of the money.
So if Chinese people don't respect Chinese laws, it's tough to convince foreigners that they should.
[QUOTE=Mike Dg]Entry would be banned to anyone who was intent on 'subversion' upon arriving in China, those with mental illnesses and sexually transmitted diseases and [b]people who wished to engage in prostitution[/b], the rules read.
'Foreigners must respect Chinese laws while in China and must not harm China's national security or damage social order,' the rules say.
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Wadman]
So if Chinese people don't respect Chinese laws, it's tough to convince foreigners that they should.[/QUOTE]
I tried this logic on the New Jersey Turnpike:
"Officer, I'm a foreigner, and those Americans did at least 85 as well."
Didn't sit too well with the trooper.
[QUOTE=Wadman]So if Chinese people don't respect Chinese laws, it's tough to convince foreigners that they should.[/QUOTE]I find it more of a problem when Chinese people refuse to help you to respect Chinese laws to later convince foreigners they should. Or other Chinese for that matter.
"Register at a friends place within 24 hours" sounds all fine and dandy ... until the building administration can't manage to hand your friend that whatever-paper the police asked for because they "never heard about it before". And guess what? When I told the police about the building administration being totally unaware of anything I was told "whatever, you tell them from us and deal with it ... yeah, just do it tomorrow."
And there went your "register withing 24 hours" rule. This is just one of many examples where LE was bending the rules in my favour because "obey Chinese Laws" quite often still remains a rather shifty, ambigous and regularly only theoretical concept.
In my experience making an effort, showing patience, speaking Chinese and (most important) being polite helps a lot. YMMV but I did not get my film ruined when LE suspected I took a picture of an arrest on Tiananmen Square neither did I pay a fine for overstaying my visa some years ago just by following these basic procedures.
Meanwhile some Arab got yelled out of the Immigration Office near YongHeGong for mouthing off and complaining how things are run here. I don't know what his exact problem was, but one of them might have been he was a drama queen with entitlement issues. Either that or I just don't get Arab culture.
Hi,
Can anyone advice on what is the penalty of Overstay in China? Now because of all the visa probs.
Say is a person entered on a 30 day single on the 20th of May, can he stay untill the 19th June or technically 18th June only?
If a person overstays for just 1 day, due to flight unavailibility etc whats the penalty? Godfather2
This is a good video blog of an expat living in Shanghai. He talks about the VISA issues and many other issues related to foreigners living in China and how the Olympic is changing everything.
[url]http://current.com/people/aricsqueen[/url]
[QUOTE=Zhuren]I tried this logic on the New Jersey Turnpike:
"Officer, I'm a foreigner, and those Americans did at least 85 as well."
Didn't sit too well with the trooper.[/QUOTE]
Zhuren
Most intelligent post I've read re this subject ;)
Your visa will have a "valid until" date on it. As long as you get out on that day (or before) everything is fine.
Long time ago (at least 1 year) they used to fine you 500 rmb per day. Then it changed. I overstayed once by 10 days, but immigration just made me fill out a form, told me not to do it again. No fine. Apparently, the maximum overstay is 10 days without a fine. Things may be different now though, with the olympics and "that other issue".
[QUOTE=Godfather2]Hi,
Can anyone advice on what is the penalty of Overstay in China? Now because of all the visa probs.
Say is a person entered on a 30 day single on the 20th of May, can he stay untill the 19th June or technically 18th June only?
If a person overstays for just 1 day, due to flight unavailibility etc whats the penalty? Godfather2[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Wadman]Your visa will have a "valid until" date on it. As long as you get out on that day (or before) everything is fine.
Long time ago (at least 1 year) they used to fine you 500 rmb per day. Then it changed. I overstayed once by 10 days, but immigration just made me fill out a form, told me not to do it again. No fine. Apparently, the maximum overstay is 10 days without a fine. Things may be different now though, with the olympics and "that other issue".[/QUOTE]Be carefull some valid until refer to the last day of entry, but it says clearly. Wadman is right on the olympics, what about checking with local police?
Police did not allow to get out of the country a person with an overstayed Visa in Baiyun Airport. He lost of course the plane and had to leave he country through the border with HK paying a fine. I do not know how much.
Becareful with Visas.
The information about expired visas and the penalties is correct.
Unofficially, there are a few days grace given after the actual visa expires. 2 years ago I had this problem, I was taken to a special office at the LOWU border, where an immigration official told me to respect China’s laws, gave me a document to sign and then released me.
Police
As for registering with the police, this is all a sham. I went to 5 police stations in my city a few weeks ago, nobody knew what I was talking about. So I decided to let it go and move on. My current visa expires on June 15th.
China is really disorganized!!!
[QUOTE=Wadman]Your visa will have a "valid until" date on it. As long as you get out on that day (or before) everything is fine.
Long time ago (at least 1 year) they used to fine you 500 rmb per day. Then it changed. I overstayed once by 10 days, but immigration just made me fill out a form, told me not to do it again. No fine. Apparently, the maximum overstay is 10 days without a fine. Things may be different now though, with the olympics and "that other issue".[/QUOTE]All my China visas have an "issue date" and an "enter before" date. Then there is a specified "duration of each stay". I conclude that I can remain in China until the "duration" number of days after the "enter before" date, not just until the "valid until" date, whatever that means!
[QUOTE=Ace of Spades]China is really disorganized!!![/QUOTE]You probably meant "flexible" ;)
I wasn't sure which thread to ask this in, but I've been reading the reports here saying you've met some women on CFF but can I really trust the *FF sites with my credit card?
I've been Google'ing them and there's been a lot of reports saying they'll auto-renewing your subscription even after cancellation as well as sell your email address to spam/junk mail. And it doesn't look like they have Paypal either.
[QUOTE=Applesauce]I wasn't sure which thread to ask this in, but I've been reading the reports here saying you've met some women on CFF but can I really trust the *FF sites with my credit card?[/QUOTE]I once opened an account at Chinesefriendfinder (CFF) several years ago and when I now began to use it again I did not have to pay anything to view profiles and send out e-mails.
It could be a glitch, but I read elsewhere here that CFF (as opposed to adultfriendfinder or alt.com) allows free contact after a brief period your profile needs to get approved.
Means: why submit your card details at all?
I'd need a health check for a Z visa. One source told it costs 650 RMB.
Is that reasonable / a bargain / a rip-off?
[QUOTE=Andreas Wang]I once opened an account at Chinesefriendfinder (CFF) several years ago and when I now began to use it I did not have to pay anything to view profiles and send out e-mails.
It could be a glitch, but I read elsewhere here that CFF (as opposed to adultfriendfinder or alt.com) allows free contact after a brief period your profile needs to get approved.
Means: why submit your card details at all?[/QUOTE]Because you need it with newer accounts to be able to read e-mails you receive, which is somehow crucial?
FA
[QUOTE=Andreas Wang]I'd need a health check for a Z visa. One source told it costs 650 RMB.
Is that reasonable / a bargain / a rip-off?[/QUOTE]
Where are you? Which city? I did mine a year ago in Shenzhen (Huanggang). I believe it was 400 rmb, an extra 100 rmb for 24 hour rush service.
[QUOTE=Andreas Wang]I'd need a health check for a Z visa. One source told it costs 650 RMB.
Is that reasonable / a bargain / a rip-off?[/QUOTE]Andreas,
I did it in 2006 in Beijing and as far as I can remember that was the cost. But this you have to do only once. When you apply for it again next year, you don't need to repeat.
Just pay the cost for the new visa, which is RMB 800, if I remember correctly.
10F
Re. Wadman: Yeah, clever me ... ask for details but forget to provide myself. I am in Beijing, sorry for the confusion. Thanks nevertheless for your reply.
Re. 10th Floor: Glad to hear that. Just yesterday the recruitment agency suggested I go to the very same 650 RMB place. If it only were not so far outside beyond the 5th ring.
Re. Fernando: They changed that free mail policy for good on CFF? And did not hit me with in retroactive (i.e. do not make me pay too)? Odd world.
[QUOTE=Andreas Wang]
Re. Fernando: They changed that free mail policy for good on CFF? And did not hit me with in retroactive (i.e. do not make me pay too)? Odd world.[/QUOTE]Yep, newer accounts you can send mail, you even receive but cannot open/read the mails, just get redirected to their paying site.. if anyone knows a clever way out, would be appreciated.
FA
Have been getting the dreaded "Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage" error so am in Proxify mode. Wondered when that would happen!!!
I have been receiving reports that people are having problems logging from home in Guangzhou and the Lucky hotel in CP.
Anybody else heard from other people about logging in issue on ISG in China?
No problem for me at me cheesy hotel in CP.
Could this be the start of another wave of pre-Olympic crackdowns?
Bill
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]I have been receiving reports that people are having problems logging from home in Guangzhou and the Lucky hotel in CP.
Anybody else heard from other people about logging in issue on ISG in China?
No problem for me at me cheesy hotel in CP.
Could this be the start of another wave of pre-Olympic crackdowns?
Bill[/QUOTE]
Yes, I have been hearing of others from Shanghai having trouble getting the ISG website.
I don't know how consistent this is.
Anyone else know of others with trouble in Shanghai?
MAB
I just got a report that a member's service was blocked in SZ. WOW. This is getting big here.
Someone posted this software a while back and according one member, it was able to by pass the firewall: [url]www.ultrareach.com[/url]
I just heard that ZH is blocked. Was also told that it could be a "network thing" and not related to a crackdown.
There was a mention of a site call Anoy.... something that also allow to log onto ISG without problem. Anybody remember the full URL?
Bill
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]I just got a report that a member's service was blocked in SZ. WOW. This is getting big here.
Someone posted this software a while back and according one member, it was able to by pass the firewall: [url]www.ultrareach.com[/url]
I just heard that ZH is blocked. Was also told that it could be a "network thing" and not related to a crackdown.
There was a mention of a site call Anoy.... something that also allow to log onto ISG without problem. Anybody remember the full URL?
Bill[/QUOTE]
From 4 other members in SZ, seems ISG is now blocked. All using proxy masking to access.
I am accessing using pedalproxy
I'm looking for Sony Memory Stick Pro Duo and the fake ones are abundant. 8 Gig for 320RMB.
Anybody have an opinion on the fake ones?
I will be using to record video.
Bill
[QUOTE=Mock A Bee]
Anyone else know of others with trouble in Shanghai?
MAB[/QUOTE]
Yes, I am in a small hotel in Shanghai, and just started noticing this problem today.
If you do a traceroute (at the DOS prompt, enter "tracert -d www.internationalsexguide.info"), and the trace dies in the vicinity of 202.97.something, it probably means the connection fails at the point where China connects to the outside world. For whatever reason. That's what I'm seeing.
[QUOTE=Mock A Bee]Yes, I have been hearing of others from Shanghai having trouble getting the ISG website.
I don't know how consistent this is.
Anyone else know of others with trouble in Shanghai?
MAB[/QUOTE]I am in Shanghai and cannot log in either.
Had to use proxy server.
Hello, because of there is not a just opened thread about Taizhou , I would ask if someone has suggestions for that city.
I'll be there the first days of July, maybe for a week and maybe at Yaoda International Hotel.
Thanks!
I always thought that my visa expired September 23. I just noticed now that this is the "enter before" date. As I have a 90 day multiple entry visa, am I right in thinking that if I entrer September 15 then my visa expires December 15 (90 days later)?
See the consulate's explanation at: [url]http://www.china-embassy.org/eng/hzqz/faqv/t170583.htm[/url]
Question 5.
5. I'm going to China on June 1, and my visa will expire on June 10. Can I still stay in China for 30 days?
Yes. Usually, a Chinese visa is good for 90 days from the date of issuance, you can enter China any day Within the 90 days (please note the time difference between China and the U.S.); Duration of stay of a visa is usually 30 days (It is written in the visa label), you can stay in China for 30 days from the date of your entrance.
Bill
[QUOTE=Loveasiangirls]I always thought that my visa expired September 23. I just noticed now that this is the "enter before" date. As I have a 90 day multiple entry visa, am I right in thinking that if I entrer September 15 then my visa expires December 15 (90 days later)?[/QUOTE]
If you stay in China and cannot access ISG, at least set up the function that informs you on new reports on subscribed threads to your say yahoo e-mail. Not much but at least you can still read what is going on. If there still is something going on.
FA
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]I'm looking for Sony Memory Stick Pro Duo and the fake ones are abundant. 8 Gig for 320RMB.
Anybody have an opinion on the fake ones?
I will be using to record video.
Bill[/QUOTE]
They are often real, but quality control rejects that get taken out the back door instead of destroyed like they are supposed to be, and resold as good ones for full price.
Much of the memory is bad, and you won't be able to read the data because it gets corrupted when it is saved. Sometimes you can actually find decent ones, but you have to store data and try to retrieve it to know.
Basically they are randomly bad memory chips and you can't tell what you have until it is too late.
I have bought fake Sony Duo memory before and regret it. The same happens with fake batteries of all sorts.
MAB
Hi, my apologies if this is a newbie type question... after all, I am new here... and tried to find if this is answered earlier or in a FAQ.
Anyways, how can I find a "travel guide" girl in Guangzhou and/or Shenzhen and/or HK/Macau? Is this something that a Westerner does beforehand over the Internet in some forum, or do girls approach travellers upon arrival and offer their guide services? Sex would hopefully be included, or at least a pretty girl to hang out with who can then take me to the right massage places.
Thanks to any and all help!
[QUOTE=Mrdurden]Hi, my apologies if this is a newbie type question... after all, I am new here... and tried to find if this is answered earlier or in a FAQ.
Anyways, how can I find a "travel guide" girl in Guangzhou and/or Shenzhen and/or HK/Macau? Is this something that a Westerner does beforehand over the Internet in some forum, or do girls approach travellers upon arrival and offer their guide services? Sex would hopefully be included, or at least a pretty girl to hang out with who can then take me to the right massage places.
Thanks to any and all help![/QUOTE]Durden,
That is a newbie questions is call escort service you go do a search at baidu or google even here at ISG ,I am sure you will get some escort website in China just make sure you ask upfront for the service you want ,you need to look for them or ask hotel manager or staff for help .
Fast eddie 48
Seems 'they' are getting wise to Proxy servers. My Proxify system is now getting blocked to a lot of sites. Especially ISG! UGLY!
[QUOTE=Guybert56]Seems 'they' are getting wise to Proxy servers. My Proxify system is now getting blocked to a lot of sites. Especially ISG! UGLY![/QUOTE]
Try a different proxy. I am posting via one now...
[QUOTE=Mrdurden]Hi, my apologies if this is a newbie type question... after all, I am new here... and tried to find if this is answered earlier or in a FAQ.
Anyways, how can I find a "travel guide" girl in Guangzhou and/or Shenzhen and/or HK/Macau? Is this something that a Westerner does beforehand over the Internet in some forum, or do girls approach travellers upon arrival and offer their guide services? Sex would hopefully be included, or at least a pretty girl to hang out with who can then take me to the right massage places.
Thanks to any and all help![/QUOTE]
try here: [url]http://www.chinapass.com/default_e.asp[/url]
I can't vouch that it's 100% reliable.
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]Durden,
That is a newbie questions is call escort service you go do a search at baidu or google even here at ISG ,I am sure you will get some escort website in China just make sure you ask upfront for the service you want ,you need to look for them or ask hotel manager or staff for help .
Fast eddie 48[/QUOTE]Thanks, but I should have mentioned that I was looking for a non-escort agency girl, as I have found those on the Internet for Guangzhou and they are ridiculously expensive. I have read somewhere that more 'normal' girls are available as tour guides (and more) for costing much less.
We are blocked in Shanghai.
Workaround should be straightforward with enough motivation and rat cunning.
Ap_proxi_mately straight ahead.
Many options available.
Survival of the fittest, and the horniest!
Cheers,
P13
blocked in Shenzhen also. Easy work around is to use a proxy site.
I use:
w w w . turbohide . com
or
w w w . ciaproxy . com
Thanks to the other members here in Shenzhen who showed me these sites.
Have fun!
[QUOTE=Sukhumvitter]blocked in Shenzhen also. Easy work around is to use a proxy site.
I use:
w w w . turbohide . com
or
w w w . ciaproxy . com
Thanks to the other members here in Shenzhen who showed me these sites.
Have fun![/QUOTE]
It seems the forum is working today (as of this morning) but I too was blocked for perhaps the past 2 weeks.
I tried some proxies but I found it slow. My favourite free proxy anony mouse.org was also blocked.
I have signed up for a private VPN service which if you work on your own computer/laptop is a good value. I pay US$40/year and I can get local US websites and advertising including American sites available only inside America. There are many VPN services available, google for VPN service china and you find many. I am using WITOPIA but there are many others to try.
VPN service cannot be blocked by China and cannot be seen by the Chinese police as your whole session is encrypted.
It doesn't work inside my company firewall (shouldn't be spending my work time on this anyway) but at home and on the wireless it works great.
Works right now open line in Guangzhou.
[QUOTE=Mrdurden]Hi, my apologies if this is a newbie type question... after all, I am new here... and tried to find if this is answered earlier or in a FAQ.
Anyways, how can I find a "travel guide" girl in Guangzhou and/or Shenzhen and/or HK/Macau? Is this something that a Westerner does beforehand over the Internet in some forum, or do girls approach travellers upon arrival and offer their guide services? Sex would hopefully be included, or at least a pretty girl to hang out with who can then take me to the right massage places.
Thanks to any and all help![/QUOTE]
Try finding the "English Corner" for each city you intend to visit. I'm sure you will find somebody there that will be happy to show you around for free.
In Shenzhen it is located at Lichee Park, in the center of town next to Shennan Lu. Look for a small concrete pavillion on the lake. Always busy on sundays.
Or, try the bars and coffeeshop in front of the Starbucks at Jusco. Subway station Science Museum. Don't be shy, just say hello to any attractive gals you see.
In Beijing and Shanghai, girls will sometimes approach you on the street and offer to take you to a teashop or artshop, these are usually scams.
[QUOTE=Santa]Try finding the "English Corner" for each city you intend to visit. I'm sure you will find somebody there that will be happy to show you around for free.
In Shenzhen it is located at Lichee Park, in the center of town next to Shennan Lu. Look for a small concrete pavillion on the lake. Always busy on sundays.
Or, try the bars and coffeeshop in front of the Starbucks at Jusco. Subway station Science Museum. Don't be shy, just say hello to any attractive gals you see.
In Beijing and Shanghai, girls will sometimes approach you on the street and offer to take you to a teashop or artshop, these are usually scams.[/QUOTE]
Spoken like a true pervert ;)
Good advice from a hardcore monger. Think young girls who know or want to improve their English and where these types of girls might be found....i.e. Book Store in the English language section, Starbucks, RBT, etc.
-CPE
[QUOTE=CPExpat]Spoken like a true pervert ;)
Good advice from a hardcore monger. Think young girls who know or want to improve their English and where these types of girls might be found....i.e. Book Store in the English language section, Starbucks, RBT, etc.
-CPE[/QUOTE]An easy method to hookup is to go to a Starbuck with a couple of like minded friends and just start chatting in english and when the gals turn to look, just flash a nice smile or 'wink'. Setting up the bait and gradually reel them in. Late last year I did that with a friend and meet a few, but too bad that my sichuan freebies knew I was in town and sms me that she was coming over later that day.
RBT is also a nice place to go fishing too. Damn, I love fishing for nice fresh pussy. One of my favorite kind of sashimi. I love them wigglin as I'm eating my favorite sashimi.
Hi, can someone tell me how much does it cost to fly out of Beijing or Shanghai to some more friendly destination for our hobby. I got a cheap ticket to go to China in July, but I am not sure whether I should buy it or turn it down, can someone tell me, how much does it cost to get out of China to let us say Thailand or some other friendly destination? I would arrive in China in July the 35rd and have to leave China by the end of July. Many thanks.
[quote=zde]hi, can someone tell me how much does it cost to fly out of beijing or shanghai to some more friendly destination for our hobby. i got a cheap ticket to go to china in july, but i am not sure whether i should buy it or turn it down, can someone tell me, how much does it cost to get out of china to let us say thailand or some other friendly destination? i would arrive in china in july the 35rd and have to leave china by the end of july. many thanks.[/quote]zde;
looking through your previous post i really do not understand why you can not do the research and just read and research what past forum has said. why do you need to fly out of beijing or shanghai to a less costlier location. there are many places outside the major cities that does charge must less than the metro area.
almost everyone of your post is asking for a handout. i will not berate you and use the 'rtff' that most member would have told you. i really do not see any trip reports in your thirty post. what i am going to say is that what you are seeking is written in both of these location throughly. you do not need to fly out to a different less populated location. read and you will find.
two things that i want to add, there is no '35rd' day in july. the second thing is that on your initial post you indicate that you were 'blind'. just wondering.
use your braille machine and read the post and you will find. in china, please watch out for the fast moving traffic, it can be 'deadly' . if you are jaywalking, the bus and cab driver will speed up and smile as they approach you. just a word of wisdom for you.
[QUOTE=Zde]Hi, can someone tell me how much does it cost to fly out of Beijing or Shanghai to some more friendly destination for our hobby. I got a cheap ticket to go to China in July, but I am not sure whether I should buy it or turn it down, can someone tell me, how much does it cost to get out of China to let us say Thailand or some other friendly destination? I would arrive in China in July the 35rd and have to leave China by the end of July. Many thanks.[/QUOTE]
I didnt' know ISG offered travel services!
Awesome!
MAB
[QUOTE=Mock A Bee]I didnt' know ISG offered travel services!
Awesome!
MAB[/QUOTE]Yes, we do. And here we go:
ZDE, why don't you just do the most obvious and check out the Air Asia website?
[QUOTE=Zde]Hi, can someone tell me how much does it cost to fly out of Beijing or Shanghai to some more friendly destination for our hobby. I got a cheap ticket to go to China in July, but I am not sure whether I should buy it or turn it down, can someone tell me, how much does it cost to get out of China to let us say Thailand or some other friendly destination? I would arrive in China in July the 35rd and have to leave China by the end of July. Many thanks.[/QUOTE]You don't say where you are starting! According to kayak.com, you can reach a destination such as BKK almost as cheaply from the US as from Beijing or Shanghai. Run the comparisons and draw your own conclusions!
[QUOTE=Zde]Hi, can someone tell me how much does it cost to fly out of Beijing or Shanghai to some more friendly destination for our hobby. I got a cheap ticket to go to China in July, but I am not sure whether I should buy it or turn it down, can someone tell me, how much does it cost to get out of China to let us say Thailand or some other friendly destination? I would arrive in China in July the 35rd and have to leave China by the end of July. Many thanks.[/QUOTE]
I suggest not coming then as visas are very difficult to get now and they will be clamping down on foreigners and those areas we frequent in this hobby.
Airplane tickets and hotels will double and triple in price during July all the way through the Olympics.
Why not Thailand, just avoid the protesters or PI but watch out for typhoons.
-CPE
Thanks to the big boys in Beijing I am reduced to lurker status. Tried to post some recent activities but between the slow internet and a proxy server I cannot.
See you after the Olympics guys
ES
FYI -- see below.
I own my apartment....anybody know if you are still required to register if you are the owner?
China clampdown on expatriate registration requirements
Expatriate China Staff PSB Registrations To Be Enforced From 1st July
The Chinese Public Security Bureau issued new guidelines today to hotels and apartment management companies concerning the registration of foreigners in China, set to take effect July 1.
The PSB, a part of China’s domestic police force charged with policing public security and immigration residence registration and immigration affairs for foreigners, has insisted that the existing regulations for the registration of foreigners in China must be strictly adhered. Violators and those who fail to report, be they individuals or building management, will be subject to fines the bureau has said.
Guests staying in Hotels and Serviced Apartments
Guests must be registered upon arrival with the PSB by the hotel and if separate, serviced apartment management company. Usually this procedure is automatic with input from the hotel being directly fed into the local PSB computer at the check-in procedure, with no additional action being required from the guest. However, daily checks are now in operation with the PSB physically visiting hotels to request copies of the hotels in-house guest list to make sure they match the PSB’s own records. If they do not, the hotel / serviced apartment will be fined RMB5,000 per missing entry. Hotel guests under these circumstances would not be fined. However it does mean that foreigners wishing to stay at an hotel in China must provide full passport and visa credentials in order to check in.
Expatriate Employees Living In Private Apartments
The apartment management company should be contacting foreign tenants /residents and requiring them to register with the local PSB. If this is not done, both the management company and the foreigner can be fined RMB5,000. It is important to note that this rule applies to any foreign person living in any apartment or private dwelling - even if it is for just for one night. If staying overnight or visiting friends in China, registration must be carried out upon arrival with the local PSB office responsible for the area within 24 hours of arrival.
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This from the Shanghai Daily:
"a sauna manager in Guangzhou, the capital city of Guangdong Province, has revealed that hidden cameras are widely used by saunas and recreational facilities in Guangdong. Guangzhou police had asked local saunas to install cameras, he said."
[QUOTE=Shanghai Pete]
I own my apartment....anybody know if you are still required to register if you are the owner?
[/QUOTE]
Absolutely. We in Beijing have learned to carry the registration on us at all time when we go out.
[QUOTE=Eaglestar]Thanks to the big boys in Beijing I am reduced to lurker status. Tried to post some recent activities but between the slow internet and a proxy server I cannot.
See you after the Olympics guys
ES[/QUOTE]Hi Eaglestar,
I'm still able to post through a proxy. I'll send you the name of it in a PM. For those looking for one, try the list at [url]http://proxy.org/[/url]
[QUOTE=Shanghai Pete]FYI -- see below.
I own my apartment....anybody know if you are still required to register if you are the owner?[/QUOTE]Yes, you have to. In Beijing they regularly go through our apartment complex door-to-door asking to see registration papers. This began about 6 months ago. A few friends have also been stopped in the street. I photocopied my passport, visa and registration onto one sheet and keep it on me. Don't forget to re-register each time you leave the country and come back.
Flaming ginger plaster. Chinese traditional medicine
Before you categorize this as an off topic post for the venue, bear with me, since I love the view so much, I need my knees a lot woofwoof, therefore someone might find this as valid as vitamin V.
Knee was aching months. Went to a amasage place and ended up with a ginger paste (yes, the root / spice / plant) plastered to my knee, covered by a couple layers of cloth, hosed down with IPA / alcohol, then lit on fire. Besides being very very freaky looking, it was pleasant-n-toasty. A couple more douses & re-ignition. Felt very spicy inside the knee. Amazing relief! After going back a few more rounds the next few weeks I don't remember what the pain used to feel like. Talk about your happy endings. Understand it is used often on backs. Due to the mentioned very spicy feeling, I would not recommend getting jiggy with the treatment. Ask around or ask me where.
20rmb
Since.....we're now even talking aboutlumbago....well...
Two ways to make yourself look and feel younger in China:
1. Get yourself some nice and young 'uns, and abosrb their youth into you
2. Do what my good buddy here is doing - Cheap, much cheaper than elsewhere!!
SEAJ
P.s. Hrmph... thought I wouldn't post it up did you???
I found this service which will automatically email different available proxy server URL daily if you subscribe. I have tried it only one time but it obviously worked or I would not be here.
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Hi Eaglestar,
I have signed up for WiTopia (a vpn) and it is working great. No problems with ISG or any other blocked site.
it's 40 USD per year, but it's worth it if you live in China.
Cheers.
I have been using the WiTopia VPN for more than 6 months now, and it works quite well. Once you have it set up, it is very easy to use. I have not had any problems.
Considering how prevalent identity theft is now, I highly recommend using a VPN 100% of the time when you go online, anywhere in the world. Especially when you use an open WiFi connection like in the HKG airport or a coffee shop. China is well known as being a source of Spam, and there are people snooping for open networks and computers.
I get access to ISG without any problem.
The only issue I have is sometimes when I use certain LAN networks with a sophisticated hardware based firewall, the WiTopia VPN won't connect. Other than that, it works very well.
In fact, in China, getting my Yahoo! mail is faster (versus without using a VPN) because my data stream passes through the Chinese Firewall filters much more quickly. This is because my data stream to the outside world looks like garbage as far as the filtering computers are concerned.
I highly recommend using it.
MAB
[QUOTE=Sukhumvitter]Hi Eaglestar,
I have signed up for WiTopia (a vpn) and it is working great. No problems with ISG or any other blocked site.
it's 40 USD per year, but it's worth it if you live in China.
Cheers.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sukhumvitter]Hi Eaglestar,
I have signed up for WiTopia (a vpn) and it is working great. No problems with ISG or any other blocked site.
it's 40 USD per year, but it's worth it if you live in China.
Cheers.[/QUOTE]
Thanks to you and MAB I bought and downloaded WiTopia. Works great.
Much obliged to you two.
ES
[QUOTE=Mock A Bee]...VPN won't connect. Other than that, it works very well.
In fact, in China, getting my Yahoo! mail is faster (versus without using a VPN) because my data stream passes through the Chinese Firewall .....
MAB[/QUOTE]
If you use gmail. Have https:// instead of http:// and your connection is also encrypted.
If you use firefox, there is a pulg-in called better gmail 2 to automatically does it for you.
I'm just a poor guy with no money. So I cannot pay the girls the amounts quoted. The only way I can have sex is to scam hookers now. I've scammed Thai women into giving me sex, but I was wondering if it is possible to trick Chinese girls into having sex with me? I can cruise around in a taxi and pick up girls, have fun with them, then dump them without paying. You think this is possible in China?
Cheap Meat (poor man)
I don't know anything about travel permits for chinese inside China. If you met a girl in the provinces and she wanted to go with you to one of the big cities inside the free economic zones, would that be possible? What would that involve?
How about traveling with a chinese girl inside China without going to the free eco zones? Bad idea?
No plans, just asking.
[QUOTE=Santa]I don't know anything about travel permits for chinese inside China. If you met a girl in the provinces and she wanted to go with you to one of the big cities inside the free economic zones, would that be possible? What would that involve?
How about traveling with a chinese girl inside China without going to the free eco zones? Bad idea?
No plans, just asking.[/QUOTE]Santa, CP is not inside any Special economic zone, so what are you up to?
It seems there are no checkpoints going to Zhuhai (Call me to join, just in case). For Shenzhen she would need to apply for a permit that is pretty easy to get.
[QUOTE=Tiger 888]Santa, CP is not inside any Special economic zone, so what are you up to?
It seems there are no checkpoints going to Zhuhai (Call me to join, just in case). For Shenzhen she would need to apply for a permit that is pretty easy to get.[/QUOTE]The second border coming into Shenzhen has been closed for a number of years now.
Wizard
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[QUOTE=Tiger 888]Santa, CP is not inside any Special economic zone, so what are you up to?
It seems there are no checkpoints going to Zhuhai (Call me to join, just in case). For Shenzhen she would need to apply for a permit that is pretty easy to get.[/QUOTE]
I'm talking about the big cities along the coastline that are in the free eco zones. Years ago I believe it was difficult to go to these cities, you needed a travel permit.
Also, non eco zones. I remember a young hooker in Guilin wanting to go with me to Kunming. Would there have been problems?
How about today? Do they need to show ID and permit?
If you meet a ktv girl in Hunan and invite her to go to a big city in the free eco zone, can you just hop on a train, bus or aeroplane and go, no questions asked? Lots of trouble at hotel check in?
I'm not up to anything, just curious. Many of you know China better than me, just want to read some opinions and comments.
It's a new topic!
Any recent reports on Sanya ? I could not find much when I did a search, it's suppose to a developing tourist area. I might go there for a few days.
[QUOTE=Zhuren]Careful with the free proxies. What you send thorugh the connection (passwords, credit card numbers, whathaveyou) is readable at their end. You are putting a lot of trust i nto someone who you don't know. Some of these proxies are free for a reason ....[/QUOTE]
Very good info Zhuren. I did not know that. I have stopped using proxies and begun using a VPN now, but some others certainly can learn from what you posted.
Thanks,
ES
[QUOTE=Santa]I don't know anything about travel permits for chinese inside China. If you met a girl in the provinces and she wanted to go with you to one of the big cities inside the free economic zones, would that be possible? What would that involve?
How about traveling with a chinese girl inside China without going to the free eco zones? Bad idea?
No plans, just asking.[/QUOTE]
I am not familiar with free economic zones but I have traveled with some girls in different parts of China and there has never been the hint of an issue. When you check-in a hotel you show you passport and she shows her id card and that's it. Airports are full of Chinese travelling all over China every day.
A mutual associate of ours had boy-girl group trip that had a last minute screw-up. At the airport, one of the girls couldn't go on the trip because the girl did not have her ID card with her.
The police got involved because it was a bunch of gweilao mongers with local girls. Better at the gate, if the girls goes first separately.
BTW, I lost my gweilao. Has any seen my gweilao? He's 5"6", 200 lbs and a bit old and cagey. Sorry, no reward but if you see him, just throw him a local WG. That will keep him happy for a week before he starts rubbing his crotch against a tree.
Bill
[QUOTE=Santa]I'm talking about the big cities along the coastline that are in the free eco zones. Years ago I believe it was difficult to go to these cities, you needed a travel permit.
Also, non eco zones. I remember a young hooker in Guilin wanting to go with me to Kunming. Would there have been problems?
How about today? Do they need to show ID and permit?
If you meet a ktv girl in Hunan and invite her to go to a big city in the free eco zone, can you just hop on a train, bus or aeroplane and go, no questions asked? Lots of trouble at hotel check in?
I'm not up to anything, just curious. Many of you know China better than me, just want to read some opinions and comments.
It's a new topic![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]BTW, I lost my gweilao. Has any seen my gweilao? He's 5"6", 200 lbs and a bit old and cagey. Sorry, no reward but if you see him, just throw him a local WG. That will keep him happy for a week before he starts rubbing his crotch against a tree.
Bill[/QUOTE]I have not heard from him either. Maybe he got kidnapped and sold to a rural village farmer to be his wife, like in that Chinese movie "Blind Mountian".
CPE
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]BTW, I lost my gweilao. Has any seen my gweilao? He's 5"6", 200 lbs and a bit old and cagey. Sorry, no reward but if you see him, just throw him a local WG. That will keep him happy for a week before he starts rubbing his crotch against a tree.
Bill[/QUOTE]That dirty old sl*t!
I was wondering why nearly all the pussies are untrimmed here. I am visiting in august and have set up a freebe and she told me she never shaved either. Come to find out that although she said she will do everything she has never taken it up the ass and swallowed a mans cum. go figure.
Bert: You have started on your learning curve.
I was wondering why nearly all the pussies are untrimmed here. I am visiting in August and have set up a freebe and she told me she never shaved either. Come to find out that although she said she will do everything. She has never taken it up the ass and swallowed a mans cum. go figure.
Why would a Chinese woman need to shave her pussy?
Why would she need to have had anal sex?
Why would she need to have swallowed cum?
Perhaps you can teach her. :)
[QUOTE=Bert51]I was wondering why nearly all the pussies are untrimmed here. I am visiting in august and have set up a freebe and she told me she never shaved either. Come to find out that although she said she will do everything she has never taken it up the ass and swallowed a mans cum. go figure.[/QUOTE]The same as in many European countries woman do or did not shave armpits, there are cultural differences and a bei hu (White tiger) in China whether natural or artificial hairless is not often touched by Chinese men. Anal also uncommon, especially with gweilos perceived "monster dicks" you will have a tough time. Oral in general is uncommon. Same applies to foreplay, DATY etc. So to see it positive you can teach her a lot and may find a pleasurable student, or a constantly complaining *****.
Good luck
FA
[QUOTE=Bert51]I was wondering why nearly all the pussies are untrimmed here. I am visiting in august and have set up a freebe and she told me she never shaved either. Come to find out that although she said she will do everything she has never taken it up the ass and swallowed a mans cum. go figure.[/QUOTE]Welcome to China.
You are going to the wrong country. Go to Japan.
[QUOTE=Bert51]I was wondering why nearly all the pussies are untrimmed here. I am visiting in august and have set up a freebe and she told me she never shaved either. Come to find out that although she said she will do everything she has never taken it up the ass and swallowed a mans cum. go figure.[/QUOTE]Bert,
Again, TIC (This is China! ). Go to the search function on the China board and seek the meaning of 'White Tiger'. I like you prefer it smooth. There are some that keep it smooth. Read the China board forum on this matter. Read and you will know.
Yes I have some teaching to do. She says she is open minded and has already agreed to swallow my cum. Since she has never even had a finger in her ass I will have to work on that after a few sessions. Get her hot with DATY and rim her with a finger--progress to slipping it in--and finally get my cock up her virgin ass. Down that before with quite a few woman--so it just is a slower process. Mostly I assumed that since the one baby rule there was more anal and oral sex here.
[QUOTE=FernandoAlonso]The same as in many European countries woman do or did not shave armpits, there are cultural differences and a bei hu (White tiger) in China whether natural or artificial hairless is not often touched by Chinese men. Anal also uncommon, especially with gweilos perceived "monster dicks" you will have a tough time. Oral in general is uncommon. Same applies to foreplay, DATY etc. So to see it positive you can teach her a lot and may find a pleasurable student, or a constantly complaining *****.
Good luck
FA[/QUOTE]
Looks like some one has posted some of Sugar Baba's videos on You Porn or maybe he did it.
[url]http://www.youporn.com/watch/10483/chinese-*****-suck-and-fuck-2/?from=related2&al=1&from_id=191106[/url]
[url]http://www.youporn.com/watch/22237/chinese-*****-suck-fuck-3/?from=related2&al=1&from_id=191106[/url]
ES
Has anyone hear from Sugar Baba. He has gone silent for a long time. I saw some of his videos posted on you porn quite a while back. You could tell from his voice on the video and also his infamous green checkered bedsheets. Sugar Baba, if you are reading this, it is time to come out of retirement and give us more of your pick of ho's.
Just found this interesting note on another forum. I am sure this does not only apply to China, so I post it here.
[QUOTE=Tiger 888]Just found this interesting note on another forum. I am sure this does not only apply to China, so I post it here.[/QUOTE]
This has always been the case in China. I have seen this in every hotel I was in. It is not really enforced or you just register your guest. No big deal.
Actually, i think i have seen tis notice in hotels all over the world.
[QUOTE=Loveasiangirls]This has always been the case in China. I have seen this in every hotel I was in. It is not really enforced or you just register your guest. No big deal.
Actually, i think i have seen tis notice in hotels all over the world.[/QUOTE]In theory this rule has always been there, but not been enforced.
Today I heard that they have been checking through luggage on the subway in Shanghai. It looks like China is run under the state of emergency in this month.
Anyone have a supplier for Cialis in Shanghai they can share with me?
ES
A couple of months ago one of our fellow IGS brothers send me PM asking about living conditions in Shanghai as he was relocating here. One thing led to another and we began exchanging info on freebies, mostly from CFF. We would share progress reports and agreed that if one of us is getting close the other would back off. I even shared some sex pics of some of my former freebies and tips on how to get them in the sack.
All has gone well until yesterday. One of the freebies I have been doing for several months I was thinking about dropping. I told him if I did I would tell him first. Well guess what, she called me today and told me she got a message from him on CFF today wanting to try to start a relationship. Strange that she knew him because she was in my apartment and saw where he had sent a 'wink' a couple of months ago. I asked if she wanted to chat with him (she does not know that I know him) and she said "absolutely not, too fat".
Guess it is a good idea not to share anything with Buddy Fu**er . I think his handle here is Juan DePussy.
ES
Hi, as you may know, because of the Olympics, getting the ol' F visa is almost imposible now.
My initial attempt at getting my Z Visa got rejected.
I am currently out of China, and in need to get a long term (like 1 yr) visa into China ASAP. My city of residence will be Beijing, but I would consider going else where in China to do my visa.
This time, I am going to set up a company in China, a WFOE own by me. I ust need a visa to get in to china to actually start the work. If you know how to do it, or runners/agent that are available for help, please send some info my way.
My nationality is Malaysia, according to my current agent, Malaysia seems to be "grey" (less than black) listed as not so friendly country.
Thanks.
just read the following in the kansai, japan thread about how foreigners in japan should act when partaking of our hobby there - and not a peep from anybody about "they're just wg's why should we treat these wxxxx...s so great?" or "i pay and thus entitled to ..." etc. can you imagine the reaction of such a post on the china boards?
just a reminder that just because you're mongering in china, don't mean that you're entitled to act like a bsd.... the way i've witnessed some acting here.
fact is that i've seen some pretty atrocious behavior by foreign mongers in lots of localities i.e. thailand, philippines, vietnam, cambodia, indonesia etc but not in japan - why????!!!
seaj
[quote=azure knight]hi. you may all remember me as the guy who had a terrible call rate at tobita. "had" being the operative word here.
i went last night for the first time in a little while. my last time, i got to go with a true master - just watching him work the streets was an incredible lesson from the pros. i decided to try and emulate his tactics, see if i couldn't improve my call rates. and let me tell you, it worked wonderfully! there were, of course, girls who immediately looked away and were impossible, but forget them - i had about a 60-70% success ratio going. some of the mamasan would look away, or start to snicker, but a simple smile and "konban wa" was the perfect disarming tool, and once that happened i was just another potential customer.
i walked up the main street once slowly, just smiling and making eye contact, mentally marking girls i liked. i found two - an absolute stunner in one shop, and a girl wearing a nurse's outfit with a really cute smile in another. i came back down the street to get a better look at them both, then decided on the stunner. while the mamasan never called out to me, i simply walked up, smiled, and gave a konban wa. then the mamasan asked if i'd like to come in. from here, both she and the girl started to realize i could handle myself in japanese - but at this point i'd already gotten in with little more than a smile, eye contact, and a simple greeting.
the girl (forgot her name!) is, without question, the hottest woman i have ever experienced. if you don't mind fake tits, an absolute 10. i was a bit surprised to find that she offered the 15 minute, 11,000 yen course - most shops on the main street don't. i opted for 20 minutes, and boy was i glad that i did! i could tell the exact point at which she genuinely started to enjoy herself as well, and i'm pretty sure she got off too. she had a mirror at the head of the futon perfectly positioned for doggy, and in between looking down at her nice ass, and then looking in the mirror at the rest of her, i was in heaven! she worked hard to get me off within the time - after cleanup we talked some more. i'll defininitely be paying her a visit again soon!
as i left the shop, the mamasan was extremely friendly to me. even the new girl sitting out front, also a hottie, seemed interested in me. i started to make my way out of tobita, but i couldn't get the other girl out of my mind, the one in the nurse's outfit with the great smile. i actually doubled back (making sure to avoid the shop i'd just been in), but i found that the nurse girl wasn't quite as attractive as i'd remembered - i think having experienced near-perfection before this poor girl suffered in the process. oh well, that works better for my wallet. as i walked, many more mamasan were actively calling out to me. i greeted them, smiled, and gave them a friendly "next time".
i haven't done a whole lot of mongering in tokyo, so i'm not really familiar with the scene out there, but i think that if you know where to go, osaka can definintely compete. i'm content.
and on that note - the isg is certainly a wonderful resource, i know i wouldn't have found my favorite spots without it. and i know there are a lot of people reading who aren't necessarily posting. i'm not sure what went down at toukaen, but something apparently made them change their policy from "hey, all foreigners ok!" to "no foreigners allowed!" for us foreigners, mongering in japan is not a privilege. there are many things that japanese men can get away with and we can't. that's why we have to be at the top of our game. finding a place that we can actually go to means that either the tencho or girls are open-minded and ok with us, or some monger before you has paved the way. let's not ruin these resources for ourselves, those who came before us, and those who may come after us.
some basic, common sense stuff -
- always be polite and friendly. treat not only the girl, but other staff there as well, with respect.
- even if you feel the girl/shop ripped you off or gave you terrible service, don't get angry/belligerant there. pay them, leave, and then come back here and write a rep001hing report about it. vent to us, not them. your anger towards them won't make them think "man, i feel bad about shafting this guy!" instead, they'll think "of course, we shouldn't service foreigners here." remember, we're not awarded the same luxuries as the locals.
also, remember that when you play, you're not just playing with the girl you choose/was given to you, in essence you're playing with the whole shop. if you feel that her service is terrible and you start chewing her out for it, or you start making demands she doesn't really want to acquiese to, she's going to go back to her tencho and the other girls and tell them that foreigners make for terrible customers.
hits and misses are just a part of the industry. striking out with one girl may not mean the whole shop is bad, and striking out at one shop may not mean the entire area is bad; yet your behavior with one girl can influence your treatment at the whole shop, and your behavior at one shop can influence your treatment in the entire area. and not just for you - but for all of us as well.
- don't go anywhere in big groups of foreign guys. foreigners draw attention here in japan, and these businesses operate on the down-low. the police will look the other way a lot regarding this business, but if a shop starts to get showy, then they'll be forced to make moves. this goes double for foreign-to-foreign p2p. as my tencho friend yoshi explained to me, the cops attitude is "neither the girl or john are japanese; why are they doing this on japanese soil? go back to your own country and do that there!" even if you are by yourself, but you see the cops loitering around a place you want to go to, you may want to lay low and play it safe.
- learn some basic japanese. you don't need to be fluent, but just a few conversational phrases to help things along. good evening, how much, how long, thank you for the service, etc. it will go a long way.
its unfair in that i suspect many, if not most japanese customers, are guilty of many of the things above. rude, pushy, inconsiderate japanese guys get to have their behavior only affect them - while we're affected on the whole. however, we can actually turn this around to our favor. because the japanese guys can be so gruff, the girls and tencho may be more appreciative of a nice, polite customer - especially the girl. and that will translate into wonderful service and quirks. and open more doors to places that we couldn't go otherwise. the mongering industry in japan will treat you well if you treat it well first.
just my two cents. i figure most of the forum regulars know this already, so i hope that some of the lurkers read this and take it to heart. i want to report about nice new places i've found and not worry about whether some guy who found the place thanks to my report is going to ruin it for all of us.[/quote]
seconded, thirded, fouthed to infinity. agreed. joe demonstrating his usual sense of insight. those who act like animals pls stay in your dog house at home and not bring it here. shit in your own backyard where every dog smells his own dirt first. nobody likes cleaning sombody else's dirt.
pls show respect. sw, bbs, sauna, ktv gals & er nai are service providers. good service begets high respect.
for those fuming at me you may like to ponder that some of these gals come from backgrounds and situations that you could never fathom much less understand. its scary sometimes. they are doing the best they can with what they have at their disposal in a culture and world that gives them little or no breaks. so a little respect goes a long way to helping them see its not the whole world just their world that is cold and hard on the outside while they are so soft on the inside.
not saying anybody should be a sucker either. just be grown up and responsible realising that your actions go beyond yourself as a single isolated individual. i am not looking to buy them either just rent them or a very paricularly small part of them for a while. but it is another human being that i am with.
[quote=se asia joe]just read the following in the kansai, japan thread about how foreigners in japan should act when partaking of our hobby there - and not a peep from anybody about "they're just wg's why should we treat these wxxxx...s so great?" or "i pay and thus entitled to ..." etc. can you imagine the reaction of such a post on the china boards?
just a reminder that just because you're mongering in china, don't mean that you're entitled to act like a bsd.... the way i've witnessed some acting here.
fact is that i've seen some pretty atrocious behavior by foreign mongers in lots of localities i.e. thailand, philippines, vietnam, cambodia, indonesia etc but not in japan - why????!!!
seaj[/quote]
[QUOTE=Wapec]Seconded, thirded, fouthed to infinity. Agreed.
Pls show respect. SW, BBS, Sauna, KTV gals & Er Nai are service providers. Good service begets high respect.
[/QUOTE]
Wapec - thanks for your vote of confidence.
I've posted some remarks on the Zhuhai thread for you and for those who may want to further examine their own conscience on our favorite hobby. Please bear with me and Mucho gracias
SEAJ
Dump Q..What is CFF..
I searched & RTFF some pages back..but i gues everyone knows it...
I guess its a dating site..Google did not gave any results.
Thanks
[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]Dump Q..What is CFF..
I searched & RTFF some pages back..but i gues everyone knows it...
I guess its a dating site..Google did not gave any results.
Thanks[/QUOTE]
CFF is Chinese Friend Finder
AFF sometimes refers to Adult Friend Finder or Asian Friend Finder
AFF is often blocked in China while CFF is not
Just wonder if any of you CCF Freebie guys have done this lady. Kinda nice looking for a 42 Y/O but I cant seem to get a response.
I did NOT take the pic, I lifted them from her profile on CFF. More pics in the Shanghai thread
ES
Do sites like CFF really work?
I always thought that most of the girls on the websites are made up profiles. If they really work is it usually easy to chat some one up. This is always something I wanted to try but am a little hesitant.
[QUOTE=Maxkwalat]Do sites like CFF really work?
I always thought that most of the girls on the websites are made up profiles. If they really work is it usually easy to chat some one up. This is always something I wanted to try but am a little hesitant.[/QUOTE]
Adult Friend Finder is more explicit and direct about sex. The girls often have explicit pics there. There are not so many from China and it is difficult to get to from China (often blocked). These girls don't answer e-mails too often.
Asian Friend Finder or Chinese Friend Finder (same as far as I can tell, just different entry point) is more about dating so it requires more work to weed out the ones looking for a husband or the so-called traditional ones. I posted a profile with photos, got a gold membership (your profile appears at the top) and I never had to contact anyone. I just answered the many e-mails messages that I got. Then move to MSN to screen them.
Definitely worth it but needs some work.
I've been thinking about a trip to Shanghai at some point, so I thought I'd RTFF and do my research. But there are a few things I don't understand, and I can't seem to find a "for newbies" post or anything like that.
What are BBS and KTV? Also, RMB would be renminbi, but. Are the prices cited really the prices in RMB, or are there a few zeroes knocked off? If they're just normal prices. That's amazing!
[QUOTE=Loveasiangirls]Adult Friend Finder is more explicit and direct about sex. The girls often have explicit pics there. There are not so many from China and it is difficult to get to from China (often blocked). These girls don't answer e-mails too often.
Asian Friend Finder or Chinese Friend Finder (same as far as I can tell, just different entry point) is more about dating so it requires more work to weed out the ones looking for a husband or the so-called traditional ones. I posted a profile with photos, got a gold membership (your profile appears at the top) and I never had to contact anyone. I just answered the many e-mails messages that I got. Then move to MSN to screen them.
Definitely worth it but needs some work.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for telling us that these websites actually works. I have a few questions, hope you could answer them :)
1) Do you post your photo on it?
2) Are you a Caucasian?
I just want to know if the messages you get is because you are one of the above, or just being a gold member. I have an account and never gotten a message at all.
First of all: I didn't do her, but it reminded me of my experience with CFF here in Beijing.
I did write to a few 40+ yrs old ladies in Beijing and never got a reply. All these profiles included several photos of good quality. The ladies, of course not young, but very good looking. Body shapes like former models. I did write either English or Chinese depending on the profiles language. In my mail I never talked about sex, attached my own photo (50 years, not bad looking, smiling face), talked about my good job and my admiration of Chinese culture and Chinese women. What the f..k do these women want, if not a guy like me! My conclusion is that these profiles are fake.
Now I can tell the good from the bad profiles and don't bother anymore. Before brothers starts to pity me: The return rate on the real profiles is rather high and I have occasionally to switch of my profile to enjoy playing.
[QUOTE=Eaglestar]Just wonder if any of you CCF Freebie guys have done this lady. Kinda nice looking for a 42 Y/O but I cant seem to get a response.
I did NOT take the pic, I lifted them from her profile on CFF. More pics in the Shanghai thread
ES[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TenthFloor]First of all: I didn't do her, but it reminded me of my experience with CFF here in Beijing.
I did write to a few 40+ yrs old ladies in Beijing and never got a reply. All these profiles included several photos of good quality. The ladies, of course not young, but very good looking. Body shapes like former models. I did write either English or Chinese depending on the profiles language. In my mail I never talked about sex, attached my own photo (50 years, not bad looking, smiling face), talked about my good job and my admiration of Chinese culture and Chinese women. What the f..k do these women want, if not a guy like me! My conclusion is that these profiles are fake.
Now I can tell the good from the bad profiles and don't bother anymore. Before brothers starts to pity me: The return rate on the real profiles is rather high and I have occasionally to switch of my profile to enjoy playing.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't let it get you down mate. Part of it may be due to men spoiling them too much and part of it may be cultural difference...mate. If you haven't noticed, most 40 year old woman in China, still believe they are 15 years old. :)
[QUOTE=K Zero]Thanks for telling us that these websites actually works. I have a few questions, hope you could answer them :)
1) Do you post your photo on it?
2) Are you a Caucasian?
I just want to know if the messages you get is because you are one of the above, or just being a gold member. I have an account and never gotten a message at all.[/QUOTE]
Yes I have some photos there. I think it makes a ton of difference, especially if you are not bad looking. I am white and early 50s. Most ladies that get in touch with me are between 33 and 45, and look 10 years younger than their age. As I said, i rarely bother writing to anybody, just answering mail keeps me busy enough.
My gold membership has expired and I am now a regular member as I am not active there currently (I have enough gals in the pipeline). As a regular member I rarely get messages any more. I got 2 this week but they were the first ones in a month. But the combination of photos and gold membership wwas very productive.
Also, if you have an old profile there, do not use it, create a new one. Some ladies will ask you why you are a member since 2005 and still on the site!!!
[QUOTE=Bert51]Yes I have some teaching to do. She says she is open minded and has already agreed to swallow my cum. Since she has never even had a finger in her ass I will have to work on that after a few sessions. Get her hot with DATY and rim her with a finger--progress to slipping it in--and finally get my cock up her virgin ass. Down that before with quite a few woman--so it just is a slower process. Mostly I assumed that since the one baby rule there was more anal and oral sex here.[/QUOTE]Wow I hit the jackpot. This woman was made for sex. Her clit is wider than my thumb and pussy is so tight you can not miss it. Turns out her exhusband only had reg sex with her which meant, rub the clit 30 seconds, stick the dick in and after 2 minutes pop. He might kiss her down there 10 seconds if she was lucky, and when she sucked him she never even tasted his come. Well that all changed for me. By the time I went down on her she was ready to pop and pop she did---1 minute later. When I gave her a moment to enjoy she was shocked that I kept at it. 30 minutes later she popped 5 times. Never popped more than once before. So when I finally stopped she was ready to do anything I asked. So started with a nice BJ long and slow and when I filled her mouth she smiled and swallowed it all. Since I took a half viagra--I was still hard and she was amazed and rode me like never before--constantly waiting for me to stop but with that little pill I am like a pole after I pop. Turned her around and grabbed some lube and while she was doing reverse cowgirl--something she never did before, I started rimming her with a finger and slowly slide it in--wow what a ride started after that. Then two fingers and then slowly three--my cock size. Got her into mish and her eyes were rolling over as she could not beleive what was going on. Spread the legs, had her hold them high and asked if she was ready for the cock in her ass and all she could say was shi de shi de. Slowly slid in in and she was so tight--only a deep moan at this point. All the way in slow all the way out slow a few times and then when she was ready--she got the ass fuck of a lifetime. After I popped in her ass she just looked at me and her eyes were tearing with joy. The next morning she wakes me up--licks my cock for a while and says fuck me in the ass again please my mei guo boyfriend. I think I am in love..-at least for a week or so. I never had a girl come so many times and in one night get a virgin blowjob and assfuck. Welcome to China.
[QUOTE=Loveasiangirls]Yes I have some photos there. I think it makes a ton of difference, especially if you are not bad looking. I am white and early 50s. Most ladies that get in touch with me are between 33 and 45, and look 10 years younger than their age. As I said, i rarely bother writing to anybody, just answering mail keeps me busy enough.
My gold membership has expired and I am now a regular member as I am not active there currently (I have enough gals in the pipeline). As a regular member I rarely get messages any more. I got 2 this week but they were the first ones in a month. But the combination of photos and gold membership wwas very productive.
Also, if you have an old profile there, do not use it, create a new one. Some ladies will ask you why you are a member since 2005 and still on the site!!![/QUOTE]
Thanks for your clarification.
We definately need a freebie thread. How does someone tell Jackson about it?
There now is scientific proof for what we've always known: They actually look prettier after you had some drinks, a study warns:
[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26205250[/url]
Careful, you may wake up with a double hangover.
[QUOTE=Loveasiangirls]CFF is Chinese Friend Finder
AFF sometimes refers to Adult Friend Finder or Asian Friend Finder
AFF is often blocked in China while CFF is not[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the reply. I will try my luck over there :)
I'm writing a guide covering what I know about online freebees, it's turning into a book. I'll post it when done.
With the proxi I'm using, I can't post...
Put simply, Be Careful at CFF! It's addicting, productive & gives Many headaches!
Time is the main thing. Time to search, write, chat... & Mostly to learn who to chase & what to say.
What has been posted already by others, I'll agree with fully.
On of our Bros on another thread posted this ladies pic stating how good she is.
Hmmmm, I love being in Shanghai and not where he is.
ES
[QUOTE=Eaglestar]On of our Bros on another thread posted this ladies pic stating how good she is.
Hmmmm, I love being in Shanghai and not where he is.
ES[/QUOTE]Eagle,
Please edit your posting. Next time you post a pic like that, please put a warning in your post that "you may experience vision problems and nightmares after viewing this pic. View at your own discretion".
Why slag others?
Have you nothing better to do?
It only reflects badly on yourselves.
ES,
Quality is relative to taste and availability. As they say, "one man's meat is another man's poison".
I enjoy your freebie pics and contributions to this forum, however, I will also say there are girls you have done, that I would not and vice versa.
I agree with JadeWarrior that we should not slag others on this board. Everybody is entitled to his own opinion and taste.
I also agree with you that we are fortunate to be in China with an abundant supply of pussy compared with other places. The pic you posted may be the best available in the poster's location. Who knows?
Just my POV.
OAH
[QUOTE=Eaglestar]On of our Bros on another thread posted this ladies pic stating how good she is.
Hmmmm, I love being in Shanghai and not where he is.
ES[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]ES,
Quality is relative to taste and availability. As they say, "one man's meat is another man's poison".
I enjoy your freebie pics and contributions to this forum, however, I will also say there are girls you have done, that I would not and vice versa.
I agree with JadeWarrior that we should not slag others on this board. Everybody is entitled to his own opinion and taste.
I also agree with you that we are fortunate to be in China with an abundant supply of pussy compared with other places. The pic you posted may be the best available in the poster's location. Who knows?
Just my POV.
OAH[/QUOTE]
I did not and am not slamming the guy. You may be right that she is the best available. My point is only that I am glad I am here and not there.
ES
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]ES,
Quality is relative to taste and availability. As they say, "one man's meat is another man's poison".
The pic you posted may be the best available in the poster's location. Who knows?
Just my POV.
OAH[/QUOTE]
I think the picture was taken in my hometown, where she would rate as a 7 to 8.
"One man's junk is another man's treasure."
[QUOTE=Loveasiangirls]Adult Friend Finder is more explicit and direct about sex. The girls often have explicit pics there. There are not so many from China and it is difficult to get to from China (often blocked). These girls don't answer e-mails too often.
Asian Friend Finder or Chinese Friend Finder (same as far as I can tell, just different entry point) is more about dating so it requires more work to weed out the ones looking for a husband or the so-called traditional ones. I posted a profile with photos, got a gold membership (your profile appears at the top) and I never had to contact anyone. I just answered the many e-mails messages that I got. Then move to MSN to screen them.
Definitely worth it but needs some work.[/QUOTE]Now we've had to learn to use proxies, we can also access AFF again, thank you mister Hu!
fz
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]ES,
Quality is relative to taste and availability. As they say, "one man's meat is another man's poison".
OAH[/QUOTE]
One man's dog is another man's darling.
I kind of admire guys who can do very ugly women. Any guy can do a pretty girl but it takes a "real man" to do an ugly one.
[QUOTE=Wushu].............If you haven't noticed, most 40 year old woman in China, still believe they are 15 years old. :)[/QUOTE]
Mate, not my experience, mate.
Nor mine. An older gal in good condition is more inclined to be grateful, enjoy and remember a joyful encounter than a 20 year old.
[QUOTE=TenthFloor]Mate, not my experience, mate.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Wapec]Nor mine. An older gal in good condition is more inclined to be grateful, enjoy and remember a joyful encounter than a 20 year old.[/QUOTE]I meant their behaviour, not the sex. :P The oldest women I have screwed was 50 plus and she is good fuck indeed.
[QUOTE=Wapec]Nor mine. An older gal in good condition is more inclined to be grateful, enjoy and remember a joyful encounter than a 20 year old.[/QUOTE]What exactly do you mean by " good condition" I'm guessing it's not their mental condition. I once met a "40 plus" year old women who would mock western fashion, walk around in a fairy godmother frock, yet refused to shave her arm pits. I couldn't do her. Such a turn off.
I'm not quite sure what women you guys have met, although. I was out last night with some western and asian guys and it seems that we have bumped into a few mentally unstable "mature women". It could be due to the "stale cake" mentality that they have here. If that is true, then perhaps, I can understand.
I have a simple approach to the age questions:
Under 18 protected by law while over 65 protected by nature and ANYWHERE in between is fair game :D
Wushu I hear you dude and feel your pain. Equally, if you've ever done an over fifty tai tai whose hubby is off with a twenty something mistress you might just find you'll have an outer body experience. The gal I did just didn't want to stop ...... there must have been a warehouse of cobwebs down there to be spring cleaned. Plus at that age you don't have all the honey pot crap to deal with - they just want to be with you, be flattered and have torrid sex.
All I am saying is don't discount the opportunity of finding a diamond in the rough.
[QUOTE=Wushu]What exactly do you mean by " good condition" I'm guessing it's not their mental condition. I once met a "40 plus" year old women who would mock western fashion, walk around in a fairy godmother frock, yet refused to shave her arm pits. I couldn't do her. Such a turn off.
I'm not quite sure what women you guys have met, although. I was out last night with some western and asian guys and it seems that we have bumped into a few mentally unstable "mature women". It could be due to the "stale cake" mentality that they have here. If that is true, then perhaps, I can understand.[/QUOTE]
I have noticed that most of the female athletes in the olympics are flat chested. They have feminate faces but masculin bodies.
Is that because of genetics, surgery, training, or hormonal engineering?
It's because they are wearing sports bras, rather than padded bras.
[QUOTE=Santa]I have noticed that most of the female athletes in the olympics are flat chested. They have feminate faces but masculin bodies.
Is that because of genetics, surgery, training, or hormonal engineering?[/QUOTE]
Come on guys we all know about the "feiji zhan" types. There is a selection process where small boobs get favoured because then the centre of gravity is around the woman's waist not between her chest and waist.
Still I'd fuck a few of them even if I couldn't physically keep up with them :D Wouldn't you ?
[QUOTE=Santa]I have noticed that most of the female athletes in the olympics are flat chested. They have feminate faces but masculin bodies.
Is that because of genetics, surgery, training, or hormonal engineering?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Wapec]Come on guys we all know about the "feiji zhan" types. There is a selection process where small boobs get favoured because then the centre of gravity is around the woman's waist not between her chest and waist.
Still I'd fuck a few of them even if I couldn't physically keep up with them :D Wouldn't you ?[/QUOTE]Guys,
If anyone is looking for big boobies. You are on the wrong continent. Asian just do not have that robust titties gene in our genetics in most of the population. We also lack the "big butt" gene. As for complexion and skin silkiness. Well we got most of the continent beat by a long shot.
[QUOTE=Santa]I have noticed that most of the female athletes in the olympics are flat chested. They have feminate faces but masculin bodies.
Is that because of genetics, surgery, training, or hormonal engineering?[/QUOTE]
You could call it genetics, as lots of Chinese girls are flat chested. In any case it would be difficult for any female athletes/gymnasts to manage a pair of 38FF on the track or doing a floor routine; they may hurt themselves or the others!
They Also looks younger than they actually are, but again its a eastern/oriental thing.
As Wapec said, its hard to keep up with them! So enjoy!
Folks
On my last trip to China encountered some problems accessing ISG. The first time that I've encountered this. Had some advice from a few solid guys on the ISG but none really satisfactory.
For dear of raking up dirt and receiving a RTFF, I have a request for some specific help. I generally run Firefox v3.0 (on both Windows & Linux boh 32 and 64 bit) and would like to know peoples feedback on TOR, Foxy Proxy and some of the other Fireox add-ons. These seem to be both annomyizers and VPN type proxyesque solutions.
Moody have seen your post on TOR and it looks promising.
What I am hoping for is one of these will have updated proxy / vpn lists that stay ahead of the Chinese blocking efforts so I have a trouble free auto protected future proof solution. And yes I do like to have my cake and eat it......
Appreciate the patience and tolerance on an old but much discussed topic.
\W
[QUOTE=Wapec]Folks
On my last trip to China encountered some problems accessing ISG. The first time that I've encountered this. Had some advice from a few solid guys on the ISG but none really satisfactory.
For dear of raking up dirt and receiving a RTFF, I have a request for some specific help. I generally run Firefox v3.0 (on both Windows & Linux boh 32 and 64 bit) and would like to know peoples feedback on TOR, Foxy Proxy and some of the other Fireox add-ons. These seem to be both annomyizers and VPN type proxyesque solutions.
Moody have seen your post on TOR and it looks promising.
What I am hoping for is one of these will have updated proxy / vpn lists that stay ahead of the Chinese blocking efforts so I have a trouble free auto protected future proof solution. And yes I do like to have my cake and eat it......
Appreciate the patience and tolerance on an old but much discussed topic.
\W[/QUOTE]
I am successfully using WiTopia. Cost $40.00 on line.
ES
[QUOTE=Wadman]It's because they are wearing sports bras, rather than padded bras.[/QUOTE]
Oh, ok.
Well now I know what I want for Christmas. Sports bra please! :D
With your droopy tits it won't go to waste !
Have a gander at [url]www.redtube.com/330[/url] add a milenium and you have Santa tarted up.
[QUOTE=Santa]
Well now I know what I want for Christmas. Sports bra please! :D[/QUOTE]
Damn Damn Damn!!!
Just had a session using 003 Platinum Okamoto and the Damn thing broke!
Cain't believe this - in this day and age to have condom failure! And suppossedly manufactured by a reliable Japanese condom maker!
I bought it at Watson's Hong Kong and thus very sure its genuine - and the expiry date is 03/2013! But come to think of it - that's FIVE (5) years from now! Wonder how long its been on the shelf?? Besides which, what if you had bought this packet in 2012? Wouldn't you think that its pretty fresh/OK to use??
OK, the gal was tight - very tight - and I did "enjoy" her for quite a while - but Hell - this is ridiculous to have condom failure in this day and age!!
Guys - BEWARE!!!!
SEAJ
SEAJ
Have a look at the 002 'cos they're non-latex polyurethane which is strong than latex, can take oil based lubs, and can be made thinner.
I sometimes use the Durex Avanti but Durex sometimes have a problem unfolding the whole length of your todger.
JMPOV
[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]Damn Damn Damn!!!
Just had a session using 003 Platinum Okamoto and the Damn thing broke!
Cain't believe this - in this day and age to have condom failure! And suppossedly manufactured by a reliable Japanese condom maker!
I bought it at Watson's Hong Kong and thus very sure its genuine - and the expiry date is 03/2013! But come to think of it - that's FIVE (5) years from now! Wonder how long its been on the shelf?? Besides which, what if you had bought this packet in 2012? Wouldn't you think that its pretty fresh/OK to use??
OK, the gal was tight - very tight - and I did "enjoy" her for quite a while - but Hell - this is ridiculous to have condom failure in this day and age!!
Guys - BEWARE!!!!
SEAJ[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Wapec]Folks
On my last trip to China encountered some problems accessing ISG. The first time that I've encountered this. Had some advice from a few solid guys on the ISG but none really satisfactory.
For dear of raking up dirt and receiving a RTFF, I have a request for some specific help. I generally run Firefox v3.0 (on both Windows & Linux boh 32 and 64 bit) and would like to know peoples feedback on TOR, Foxy Proxy and some of the other Fireox add-ons. These seem to be both annomyizers and VPN type proxyesque solutions.
Moody have seen your post on TOR and it looks promising.
What I am hoping for is one of these will have updated proxy / vpn lists that stay ahead of the Chinese blocking efforts so I have a trouble free auto protected future proof solution. And yes I do like to have my cake and eat it......
Appreciate the patience and tolerance on an old but much discussed topic.
\W[/QUOTE]
I started with anonymouse dot org, then went to TurboHide dot com, but I am not 100% using WiTopia. 40 USD per year = hellava deal
Not only does it let you browse filtered websites in China, but it keeps your data safe while using WiFi hotspots (like Starbucks) anywhere, so it has value even in western countries.
As an experiment, I went to download dot com and searched for a wifi sniffer program, downloaded a free trial, and sat in Starbucks here in China and saw all the web browsing of the people sitting around me. Scary!
Play safe boys!
[QUOTE=Wapec]SEAJ
Okamoto
Have a look at the 002 'cos they're non-latex polyurethane which is strong than latex, can take oil based lubs, and can be made thinner.
I sometimes use the Durex Avanti but Durex sometimes have a problem unfolding the whole length of your todger.
JMPOV[/QUOTE]FYI - 002 are NOT Okamoto - they are Sagami
SEAJ
SEAJ
Damn you're right and they're tight. No ? Sagami it is. Key point is that they are polyurethane and inherently stronger which allows them to be thinner. Enjoy ...
What I liked is that you can feel the body temperature of your partner through them when you're on the job. Take the time to try this.
Any luck chatting up the chicks at Watsons or Mannings ? The birth control area is always a ripe place to strike up a conversation and ask for advice :D
\W
[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]FYI - 002 are NOT Okamoto - they are Sagami
SEAJ[/QUOTE]
Hie All,
Can Anyone Give Me An Idea, If The Visa Norms Have Been Eased Now, Since The Olympics Have Finished.
I Plan To Go To Hongkong From Mainland And Try To Get A Visa From There To Travel Back To China, As My Return Flight Would Be From China Mainland.i Have Just One Day Biz In Hongkong.
Please Advice,
Godfather2
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Hi Godfather2,
I sincerely appreciate your contributions to the forum, but...
[red][u]Would you please refrain from capitalizing the first letter of EVERY word in your reports![/u][/red]
It's difficult to read, it's time consuming to fix, and it takes you more work to write like that.
On behalf of myself and your fellow Forum Members: [i]Thank You![/i]
Jackson[/blue]
[QUOTE=Godfather2]Hie All,
Can Anyone Give Me An Idea, If The Visa Norms Have Been Eased Now, Since The Olympics Have Finished.
I Plan To Go To Hongkong From Mainland And Try To Get A Visa From There To Travel Back To China, As My Return Flight Would Be From China Mainland.i Have Just One Day Biz In Hongkong.
Please Advice,
Godfather2
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A friend applied for a visa in Hong Kong eariler this week and was told he could only get a double entry tourist visa, valid for 15 days. It seems the restrictions are still in place.
[QUOTE=Godfather2]Hie All,
Can Anyone Give Me An Idea, If The Visa Norms Have Been Eased Now, Since The Olympics Have Finished.
I Plan To Go To Hongkong From Mainland And Try To Get A Visa From There To Travel Back To China, As My Return Flight Would Be From China Mainland.i Have Just One Day Biz In Hongkong.
Please Advice,
Godfather2
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Hi Godfather2,
I sincerely appreciate your contributions to the forum, but...
[red][u]Would you please refrain from capitalizing the first letter of EVERY word in your reports![/u][/red]
It's difficult to read, it's time consuming to fix, and it takes you more work to write like that.
On behalf of myself and your fellow Forum Members: [i]Thank You![/i]
Jackson[/blue][/QUOTE]
Actually, the olympics are not finished. Para-olympics are taking place now.
I didn't have any problems getting my standard issue 1 year multiple entry (60 days at one time) visa in my home country in the middle of August. Of course it helped having one prior visa on the same passport.
The most you can get is a double entry visa at the moment in HK. To get this you need to provide a lot of documents, eg. hotel bookings, flight tickets. etc. it is a pain in the arse for people without visa's. Things will only get back to normal in October.
just got a single entry tourist visa but only valid 20 days down from 30...not happy thats only 2/3 the number of actual entries
[QUOTE=Senu]just got a single entry tourist visa but only valid 20 days down from 30...not happy thats only 2/3 the number of actual entries[/QUOTE]If you don't have a passport from one of the 33 countries on the list, I knoiw a travel agent in HK who can get a double einty 2x30 days within one day without any documents. PM me for details, please mention your nationality.
Price 800 HK$ for those countries wiythout surcharge (This price includes that they take care of flight and hotel booking and cancellation thereafter).
hello, can anyone tell me what the monthly salary for an average secretary and an average factory worker in China would be?
For comparison purposes. I am planning a trip to China early next year.
Gangles
[QUOTE=Gangles]hello, can anyone tell me what the monthly salary for an average secretary and an average factory worker in China would be?
For comparison purposes. I am planning a trip to China early next year.
Gangles[/QUOTE]
It all depends on what city. Shanghai, Beijing, Guangzhou for example will be considerably more than in Guizhou province or other such more rural areas.
A simple Google search reveals this.
[url]http://www.payscale.com/research/CN/Country=China/Salary[/url]
ES
sea joe and wapac,
i am interested in the reports you posted about the poly-condoms. as self serving as this may sound (with no foundation i might add), i am wondering about the sizing of the chinese comdoms. when i am out of the country i try to stock up because i heard thru the grapevine that the asian brands tend to be smaller and maybe less user friendly for us lo wai than some other brands.
it seems that i am developing a reaction to the latex in the brands i have been using and remember trying the poly ones a while back and enjoying the sensation. my only fear was that they might break, and they are also a lot more expensive. (i know, going to ***** about the price of protection now...:-))
now that i know the reason they are so thin and that maybe i can buy them locally, i might give them another test drive.
tia
sky
at the risk of being perceived as a condom expert here goes an outcut from wikipedia. by the way, my expertise is more with using condoms than with their manufacture.
personal experience is that asian made poly condoms are a tighter fit than european or us made. not hugely uncomfortable but noticeable. durex's avanti, however, is designed to european length & width dimensions. both regions easily found in hkg.
wikipedia excerpts (selective):-
materials
natural latex
latex has outstanding elastic properties: its tensile strength exceeds 30 mpa, and latex condoms may be stretched in excess of 800% before breaking.[76] in 1990 the iso set standards for condom production (iso 4074, natural latex rubber condoms), and the eu followed suit with its cen standard (directive 93/42/eec concerning medical devices). every latex condom is tested for holes with an electrical current. if the condom passes, it is rolled and packaged. in addition, a portion of each batch of condoms is subject to water leak and air burst testing.[77]
latex condoms used with oil-based lubricants (e.g. vaseline) are likely to break or slip off due to loss of elasticity caused by the oils.[78]
synthetic
the most common non-latex condoms are made from polyurethane. condoms may also be made from other synthetic materials, such as at-10 resin, and most recently polyisoprene.[79]
polyurethane condoms tend to be the same width and thickness as latex condoms, with most polyurethane condoms between 0.04 mm and 0.07 mm thick.[80] polyurethane is also the material of many female condoms.
polyurethane can be considered better than latex in several ways: it conducts heat better than latex, is not as sensitive to temperature and ultraviolet light (and so has less rigid storage requirements and a longer shelf life), can be used with oil-based lubricants, is less allergenic than latex, and does not have an odor.[81] polyurethane condoms have gained fda approval for sale in the united states as an effective method of contraception and hiv prevention, and under laboratory conditions have been shown to be just as effective as latex for these purposes.[82]
however, polyurethane condoms are less elastic than latex ones, and may be more likely to slip or break than latex,[81][83] and are more expensive.
polyisoprene is a synthetic version of natural rubber latex. while significantly more expensive,[84] it has the advantages of latex (such as being softer and more elastic than polyurethane condoms)[79] without the protein which is responsible for latex allergies.[84]
spermicidal
some latex condoms are lubricated at the manufacturer with a small amount of a nonoxynol-9, a spermicidal chemical. according to consumer reports, spermicidally lubricated condoms have no additional benefit in preventing pregnancy, have a shorter shelf life, and may cause urinary-tract infections in women.[86] in contrast, application of separately packaged spermicide is believed to increase the contraceptive efficacy of condoms.[87]
nonoxynol-9 was once believed to offer additional protection against stds (including hiv) but recent studies have shown that, with frequent use, nonoxynol-9 may increase the risk of hiv transmission.[88] the world health organization says that spermicidally lubricated condoms should no longer be promoted. however, they recommend using a nonoxynol-9 lubricated condom over no condom at all.[89] as of 2005, nine condom manufacturers have stopped manufacturing condoms with nonoxynol-9, planned parenthood has discontinued the distribution of condoms so lubricated,[90] and the food and drug administration has proposed a warning regarding this issue.[91]
in preventing stds
condoms are widely recommended for the prevention of sexually transmitted diseases (stds). they have been shown to be effective in reducing infection rates in both men and women. while not perfect, the condom is effective at reducing the transmission of hiv, genital herpes, genital warts, syphilis, chlamydia, gonorrhea, and other diseases.[96]
according to a 2000 report by the national institutes of health, correct and consistent use of latex condoms reduces the risk of hiv/aids transmission by approximately 85% relative to risk when unprotected, putting the seroconversion rate (infection rate) at 0.9 per 100 person-years with condom, down from 6.7 per 100 person-years. the same review also found condom use significantly reduces the risk of gonorrhea for men.[97]
a 2006 study reports that proper condom use decreases the risk of transmission for human papillomavirus by approximately 70%.[98] another study in the same year found consistent condom use was effective at reducing transmission of herpes simplex virus-2 also known as genital herpes, in both men and women.[99]
although a condom is effective in limiting exposure, some disease transmission may occur even with a condom. infectious areas of the genitals, especially when symptoms are present, may not be covered by a condom, and as a result, some diseases can be transmitted by direct contact.[100] the primary effectiveness issue with using condoms to prevent stds, however, is inconsistent use.[77]
condoms may also be useful in treating potentially precancerous cervical changes. exposure to human papillomavirus[101], even in individuals already infected with the virus, appears to increase the risk of precancerous changes. the use of condoms helps promote regression of these changes. in addition, researchers in the uk suggest that a hormone in semen can aggravate existing cervical cancer, condom use during sex can prevent exposure to the hormone.[102]
causes of failure
condoms may slip off the penis after ejaculation,[103] break due to improper application or physical damage (such as tears caused when opening the package), or break or slip due to latex degradation (typically from usage past the expration date, improper storage, or exposure to oils). the rate of breakage is between 0.4% and 2.3%, while the rate of slippage is between 0.6% and 1.3%.[97] even if no breakage or slippage is observed, 1–2% of women will test positive for semen residue after intercourse with a condom.[104][105] "double bagging," using two condoms at once, also increases the risk of condom failure.[106][107]
different modes of condom failure result in different levels of semen exposure. if a failure occurs during application, the damaged condom may be disposed of and a new condom applied before intercourse begins - such failures generally pose no risk to the user.[108] one study found that semen exposure from a broken condom was about half that of unprotected intercourse; semen exposure from a slipped condom was about one-fifth that of unprotected intercourse.[109]
standard condoms will fit almost any penis, although many condom manufacturers offer "snug" or "magnum" sizes. some studies have associated larger penises and smaller condoms with increased breakage and decreased slippage rates (and vice versa), but other studies have been inconclusive.[78]
experienced condom users are significantly less likely to have a condom slip or break compared to first-time users, although users who experience one slippage or breakage are more likely to suffer a second such failure.[110] an article in population reports suggests that education on condom use reduces behaviors that increase the risk of breakage and slippage.[111] a family health international publication also offers the view that education can reduce the risk of breakage and slippage, but emphasizes that more research needs to be done to determine all of the causes of breakage and slippage.[78]
among people who intend condoms to be their form of birth control, pregnancy may occur when the user has sex without a condom. the person may have run out of condoms, or be traveling and not have a condom with them, or simply dislike the feel of condoms and decide to "take a chance." this type of behavior is the primary cause of typical use failure (as opposed to method or perfect use failure).[112]
another possible cause of condom failure is sabotage. one motive is to have a child against a partner's wishes or consent.[113] some commercial sex workers report clients sabotaging condoms in retaliation for being coerced into condom use.[114] placing pinholes in the tip of the condom is believed to significantly impact their effectiveness.[105][115]
major manufacturers
one analyst described the size of the condom market as something that "boggles the mind". numerous small manufacturers, nonprofit groups, and government-run manufacturing plants exist around the world.[146] within the condom market, there are several major contributors, among them both for-profit businesses and philanthropic organizations. most large manufacturers have ties to the business that reach back to the end of the 19th century.
* julius schmid, inc. was founded in 1882 and began the shieks and ramses brands of condoms.[147] the london rubber company began manufacturing latex condoms in 1932, under the durex brand.[148] both companies are now part of seton scholl limited.[149]
* youngs rubber company, founded by merle youngs in late nineteenth century america, introduced the trojan line of condoms[150] now owned by church and dwight.[151]
* dunlop rubber began manufacturing condoms in australia in the 1890s. in 1905, dunlop sold its condom-making equipment to one of its employees, eric ansell, who founded ansell rubber. in 1969, ansell was sold back to dunlop.[149] in 1987, english business magnate richard branson contracted with ansell to help in a campaign against hiv and aids. ansell agreed to manufacture the mates brand of condom, to be sold at little or no profit in order to encourage condom use. branson soon sold the mates brand to ansell, with royalty payments made annually to the charity virgin unite.[152] in addition to its mates brand, ansell currently manufactures lifestyles for the u.s. market.[153]
* in 1934 the kokusia rubber company was founded in japan. it is now known as the okamoto rubber manufacturing company.[154]
* in 1970 tim black and philip harvey founded population planning associates (now known as adam & eve). population planning associates was a mail-order business that marketed condoms to american college students. black and harvey used the profits from their company to start a non-profit organization population services international,[155] and harvey later also founded another nonprofit company, dkt international that annually sells millions of condoms at discounted rates in developing countries around the world.[155]
seaj over to you dude ...... as always i defer to your deep and broad expert knowledge of subject matter. also, you've many more years practical hands on experience so to speak !!!
[quote=sky ryder]sea joe and wapac,
i am interested in the reports you posted about the poly-condoms. as self serving as this may sound (with no foundation i might add), i am wondering about the sizing of the chinese comdoms. when i am out of the country i try to stock up because i heard thru the grapevine that the asian brands tend to be smaller and maybe less user friendly for us lo wai than some other brands.
it seems that i am developing a reaction to the latex in the brands i have been using and remember trying the poly ones a while back and enjoying the sensation. my only fear was that they might break, and they are also a lot more expensive. (i know, going to ***** about the price of protection now...:-))
now that i know the reason they are so thin and that maybe i can buy them locally, i might give them another test drive.
tia
sky[/quote]
Actually..... I am in San Francisco right now - and only see regular latex condoms at the drug stores. Do they sell Poly condoms here?
And hell, I see that they are now selling actual dildos at regular drug stores here - of course discretely packaged - but hell.... actual dildos ina regular drug store?? My My My!!
SEAJ
Further on condoms; do you guys realize that a lot of Chinese women - both pros as well as regular gals - use condoms solely for contraception? That STD's and hygiene etc is NOT part of the equation?
That being the case, AND THIS ONLY FOR THOSE OF YOU WANTING TO BAREBACK (not me!!) - next time prior to getting a gal, go down to the neighbourhood store and buy those contraceptive films that you stick into their vagina prior to intercourse, and show it to the gal when she shows up.
She usually will most likely go along with bareback sex after you explain what they are and let them read the instructions in chinese herself
And BTW - there ARE some gals who does not know about these contraceptive films - and they really appreciate being taught about this - as then they can go along with their clients to bareback and NOt have to worry about getting pregnant.
And dude - no proselytising about bareback sex and aids and.... Hell some guys insists on ONLY bareback sex (NOT ME by the way) and I'm only posting this info for these guys.
SEAJ
Since we are on the condom topic, shamless plug:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=502229&postcount=4321[/url]
Thats a report I did about 2 yrs ago.
My wife (back then GF) is allergy to latex condoms, so, I ended up using non-latex (not sure if this is the poly-latex you guys talk about) in her.
I only tried 2 brands, Durex Avanti and okamoto (forgot name).
Okamoto still suffers the same problem I mentioned in my report. Not enough lube and hard to apply.
Durex Avanti is a little thicker than the usual Durex Featherlite I use. For some reason, my wife prefer it over featherlite. It puzzled my for some time. Until someone in the Kuala Lumpur thread (malaysia), pointed out these new materials actually conducts heat. I guess this is why my wife liked it over featherlite.
But after switching to non-latex condoms, my wife's infection problem is gone. She used to be on the pill, so we did not know until we decide to stop the pill and use condoms (latex), and the infection was there ever since, until I read about non-latex condoms and latex allergy.
In Malaysia (where I am now), I found a new product from Durex, called featherlite Ultimate. Yeah, its thinner, like the 002. But, for some reason, its size is smaller, much smaller than the normal featherlite I got. Didn't like it.
Just my 2 safety caps.
Safe hunting.
PS: went re-read wapec's post, and now I know, thanks. Lazy to edit now. Hmmm..I actually use "European" Size. :D
Went to the New York Consulate to get a new visa (1 year, multiple entries) last week. They are following the requirements listed on their website to the letter - be prepared with letter of invitation from govt, letter from your business in China to "justify" why you need a multiple entry visa, copies of your plane tickets (no problem with e ticket) and hotel reservations - in addition to the correct form, picture, etc. Oh, and bring business cards, they seem to want those, too. But I did get multiple entry 1 yr visa, 90 day max.
The lines were terrible, because when each person got to the window, the person there went over the documents in incredible detail. They were sending people away if they didn't have the right papers. It was mildly amusing at first to watch people try to argue with the agents behind the glass.
This was my annual pilgrimage to the consulate, I'm not a noob at this. But wanted relate my experiences, and to advise that you should follow all the instructions on the consulate website to make sure you can get the visa on the first attempt. Maybe things will go back to normal at the end of September, but not yet...
[QUOTE=Phenyl]Went to the New York Consulate to get a new visa (1 year, multiple entries) last week. They are following the requirements listed on their website to the letter - be prepared with letter of invitation from govt, letter from your business in China to "justify" why you need a multiple entry visa, copies of your plane tickets (no problem with e ticket) and hotel reservations - in addition to the correct form, picture, etc. Oh, and bring business cards, they seem to want those, too. But I did get multiple entry 1 yr visa, 90 day max.
The lines were terrible, because when each person got to the window, the person there went over the documents in incredible detail. They were sending people away if they didn't have the right papers. It was mildly amusing at first to watch people try to argue with the agents behind the glass.
This was my annual pilgrimage to the consulate, I'm not a noob at this. But wanted relate my experiences, and to advise that you should follow all the instructions on the consulate website to make sure you can get the visa on the first attempt. Maybe things will go back to normal at the end of September, but not yet...[/QUOTE]Pheny,
The SF china consulate start offering China business visa again this week cost is 130 usd cost is same for 1 y or 2 yr with company letter ,travel agent in SF chinatown will do it for 150 usd 20 comisson if you buy air ticket from them it will save alot time and headache ,I am not sure about HK they might be still a few week behind will be in HK next week will update.
Fast eddie 48
Hi Fast Eddie,
Also heard from ABCinLA that he was able to get a multiple entry visa during the Olympics with no extra paperwork. So it looks like the situation varies depending on the consulate. In NYC, it is still ultra vigilant.
Best solution is, as you said, find some other way than standing in line yourself! Hopefully things calm down soon, but at least I've got my problem solved til next year!
Cheers,
Phenyl
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]Pheny,
The SF china consulate start offering China business visa again this week cost is 130 usd cost is same for 1 y or 2 yr with company letter ,travel agent in SF chinatown will do it for 150 usd 20 comisson if you buy air ticket from them it will save alot time and headache ,I am not sure about HK they might be still a few week behind will be in HK next week will update.
Fast eddie 48[/QUOTE]
Is it true that visas are very hard to get for a woman that is divorced, has a child, and a good job, teacher, family etc. I have been told it is nearly impossible if you have not traveled outside China often.
[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]That being the case, AND THIS ONLY FOR THOSE OF YOU WANTING TO BAREBACK (not me!!) [/QUOTE]
On the topic of bare-back - you WILL get an infection sooner or later. gonorrea and clamidia are very common in China and often girls have no symptons and pass it on for ages. Or they do a best to their knowledge selfcure with OTC antibiotics, leaving them with a more resistant strain to pass on.
I alwasy use condoms and I got my infection from BB oral. So be warned, it WILL happen.
After that experience I am completely off P4P and only see my non-commercial chat friends. I don't miss P4P anyway as there is little fun in sex with no daty, which I never did with a pro.
On the topic of no-latex condoms: I use Okamoto N.U.D.E. They are very thin and great to use. But because they are very thin they actual pre-roll on roll is very thin too which makes it difficult to put, specially with slippy fingers.
Does anyone has any experience on this web (escortschina.com and hcinaescorts.net) services?
Thanks,
JB
[QUOTE=Bert51]Is it true that visas are very hard to get for a woman that is divorced, has a child, and a good job, teacher, family etc. I have been told it is nearly impossible if you have not traveled outside China often.[/QUOTE]
Bert51:
It is very hard for ordinary Chinese nationals to get a USA visa period. Problem is that they process over 1,000 applications per day and only give the applicant 2 minutes max to make their case. A lot of the visa officers have been burnt by non-returnees, so they lean on the conservative side to cover their asses. If they think there is the slightest chance, they deny.
That said, they are looking for hard evidence for the factors you mention above. Money in the bank with monthly deposits indicating source of income over time, ownership of property, other family members left behind (the child will remain in China), a real job for an extended period of time with a reputable company, etc. All of these are good indicators of the desire to return to China.
One bit of advice: Do not waste your money on the visa agencies located near the consulate in Guangzhou. They have no "relationships" and provide no guarantee of success. They will help fill in the forms, but it looks like you can do that yourself. It can all be done online at the consulate website.
Just my POV.
OAH
P.S. Nobody may accompany the applicant during the interview. She would be on her own. All of the visa officers are fluent in Chinese and have back-up translators, if necessary.
There seems to be a popular card game that is played in the KTV. I don't know the name of the game but as I understand it it is based on variation of poker. It is a game for three people with all cards being dealt including 2 jokers. My question is how is this game played. Can someone explain the basic rules and strategy?
Thanks,
SEAMonger
[QUOTE=Wapec]I have a simple approach to the age questions:
Under 18 protected by law while over 65 protected by nature and ANYWHERE in between is fair game :D
Wushu I hear you dude and feel your pain. Equally, if you've ever done an over fifty tai tai whose hubby is off with a twenty something mistress you might just find you'll have an outer body experience. The gal I did just didn't want to stop ...... there must have been a warehouse of cobwebs down there to be spring cleaned. Plus at that age you don't have all the honey pot crap to deal with - they just want to be with you, be flattered and have torrid sex.
All I am saying is don't discount the opportunity of finding a diamond in the rough.[/QUOTE]HA-HA.
I won't.
In China, big cities provide good salary but require higher living cost, meanwhile small towns give you litter but also expilot you the less.
BTW, are you for the business trip?
[QUOTE=Gangles]hello, can anyone tell me what the monthly salary for an average secretary and an average factory worker in China would be?
For comparison purposes. I am planning a trip to China early next year.
Gangles[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Seamonger]There seems to be a popular card game that is played in the KTV. I don't know the name of the game but as I understand it it is based on variation of poker. It is a game for three people with all cards being dealt including 2 jokers. My question is how is this game played. Can someone explain the basic rules and strategy?
Thanks,
SEAMonger[/QUOTE]SEAMonger - I beleive the game you are referring to is this one [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dou_Di_Zhu[/url]
B888
The someone know the URL of the Chinese version of ISG? It was mentioned a while back but I've been unable to find the appropriate post.
To identify if a Johnnie Walker Black label is genuine or not, look thru the bottom of the UNOPENED bottle towards a light and you will be able to see a crystal image of Johnny Walker. This was taught to me by a sales rep for the company. (If the bottle OR the content of the bottle is fake, you will NOT be able to see this image).
Question - anybody here know how to identify other genuine liquors like Chivas Regal, Hennessy XO, or.....??
Thank God I've stopped drinking hard liquor and actually cut down my general alcohol consumption drastically - but I betcha there are others here who still love their whiskes and brandies and I betcha this discussion is gonna be useful for them.
I realize its NOT about mongering - but lets face it - alcohol is most time an integral part of the mongering process. So a bit of leeway - OK?
Thanks
SEAJ
Mainland visa restrictions on foreigners in HK to be lifted
Dennis Eng
Sep 22, 2008
Mainland visa restrictions imposed on foreigners in Hong Kong during the Beijing Olympics last month will be lifted from October 16, travel agents say. The long-awaited move will be a relief to many of the city's foreign businesspeople and tourists, who have been burdened with extra red tape over the past six months as the mainland increased security measures. The mainland has resumed visa-free arrangements for Singaporeans visiting for business or tourism, or transiting within 15 days. Visa-free access for Singaporeans was suspended on July 1.
Paul Leung Yiu-lam, a vice-chairman of the Association of Travel Agents, said the central government might have decided to wait until after the National Day holiday to relax the visa application processes.
Mr Leung said the restrictions had affected many visa arrangements, including the popular "144-hour" visa for groups of at least three tourists visiting Guangdong from Hong Kong by land. The 144-hour visa was banned throughout the Olympics, but would be reinstated from October 16 along with other visas, he said.
European Chamber of Commerce chairman Rafael Gil-Tienda said he had heard from members that visa arrangements would now be at "a different level" following the closing ceremony of the Paralympics.
He said he did not have any first-hand information.
The chamber had been particularly worried and vocal about the impact of the restrictions since learning about six months ago that multiple-entry visas and short-visit visas to Shenzhen would be suspended.
This meant foreigners were restricted to single- or double-entry visas valid for up to three months.
Valid multiple-entry visas were unaffected.
Visa applicants also had to produce advance hotel reservations and return-flight bookings, which proved impractical for businessmen often needing to travel at short notice.
Nationals from 33 countries including South Africa, India, Malaysia, the Philippines and Indonesia were also told they could no longer obtain visas in Hong Kong unless they were residents.
Beijing granted visa-free access to overseas visitors accredited by the International Olympic Committee for a month before and after the Olympic Games. These visitors included journalists, athletes and support staff. The mainland already grants visa-free entry for visits of up to 15 days to citizens of Japan and Brunei.
[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]To identify if a Johnnie Walker Black label is genuine or not, look thru the bottom of the UNOPENED bottle towards a light and you will be able to see a crystal image of Johnny Walker. This was taught to me by a sales rep for the company. (If the bottle OR the content of the bottle is fake, you will NOT be able to see this image).
SEAJ[/QUOTE]
Well, in China, I am sure the counterfeiters will buy real bottles and reseal them with fake liquor.
Unless the crystal image disappears after the bottle is opened.
[QUOTE=K Zero]Well, in China, I am sure the counterfeiters will buy real bottles and reseal them with fake liquor.
Unless the crystal image disappears after the bottle is opened.[/QUOTE]
That's the beauty of this all. If the contents are fake - the image will NOT appear. Don't ask me how come, but that is what the sales rep told and actually showed me.
SEAJ
P.s. any other "tips" on how to identify genuine articles?
Thanks for the tips SEAJ.
Would be grateful if someone here could pass on details of web/online proxies. The ones I have been using do not allow me to search once in city-specific forums (the little pop-up does not appear).
If you'd rather not post publicly, I'd be very grateful for a PM.
Otherwise, I'll just have to post noob questions on the forums and run the risk of being told to RTFF from the usual suspects! ;)
Thx for any assistance.
[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]That's the beauty of this all. If the contents are fake - the image will NOT appear. Don't ask me how come, but that is what the sales rep told and actually showed me.
SEAJ
P.s. any other "tips" on how to identify genuine articles?[/QUOTE]SEAJ,
I got an fake one dollar coin when I try to use it a store clerk give it back to me last week in china .it was made out of pastic will bring back to US and show my friend ,I told them about fake 5 dollar bill they didn't believe me next it will me fake toiler paper.
Fast eddie 48
[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]Mainland visa restrictions imposed on foreigners in Hong Kong during the Beijing Olympics last month will be lifted from October 16, travel agents say. The long-awaited move will be a relief to many of the city's foreign businesspeople and tourists, who have been burdened with extra red tape over the past six months as the mainland increased security measures.[/QUOTE]I wonder when certain other restrictions will be lifted, everyone else is back to normal, poor old ISG is still in hiding! Perhaps we should think about lobbying Mr Hu!
fz
I'll be in Shanghai on business towards the end of October. While the business part of the trip is barely a day, I'm thinking about adding an extra few days of downtime onto this.
Given that I'll be staying only a handful of days all up, and that there's barely three weeks from now until I'm in Shanghai. Well, is it worth trying to develop a few 'friendships' with Shangahai girls online (via chat or 'dating' sites), in order to enjoy some GFE-style company and companionship during those few days, or should I just save my time and energy and hit the P4P scene on arrival?
FWIW, I'm mid-40s, decent looking (but no movie star! ), in average/decent shape. I don't speak Mandarin, though. I wouldn't imagine hitting the nightclubs but could see myself enjoying a young lady's company getting to know the city, and her enjoying the company of a Western 'gentleman'. It'd make for a much more enjoyable time in the city and be far more appealing than P4P (and no, I'm not just thinking this will be a freebie, it's more for the overall experience).
Is that idea totally out of whack given any of what I've outlined about?
You are there for such a short time, why take a chance on a hit or miss. Just pay for it and have fun. You will get a much younger and probably prettier girl since you can pick and choose from maybe 50-80 girls by shopping around so why settle?
[QUOTE=Rub Tug Fiend]I'll be in Shanghai on business towards the end of October. While the business part of the trip is barely a day, I'm thinking about adding an extra few days of downtime onto this.
Given that I'll be staying only a handful of days all up, and that there's barely three weeks from now until I'm in Shanghai. Well, is it worth trying to develop a few 'friendships' with Shangahai girls online (via chat or 'dating' sites), in order to enjoy some GFE-style company and companionship during those few days, or should I just save my time and energy and hit the P4P scene on arrival?
FWIW, I'm mid-40s, decent looking (but no movie star! ), in average/decent shape. I don't speak Mandarin, though. I wouldn't imagine hitting the nightclubs but could see myself enjoying a young lady's company getting to know the city, and her enjoying the company of a Western 'gentleman'. It'd make for a much more enjoyable time in the city and be far more appealing than P4P (and no, I'm not just thinking this will be a freebie, it's more for the overall experience).
Is that idea totally out of whack given any of what I've outlined about?[/QUOTE]
I would give it a try, if I had such oportunity. You don't have much to loose! If it works, you will have great time. If not, you can still go to any of the bars around and pick up a girl of your choice!
You can try also escort pages ([url]www.chinapass[/url]). The girls there are semi pro and I had an excellent GFE with one of them.
This might be kind of out of place, but I was wondering if anyone has a good online source to download/trade ebooks. I usually buy physical books in Hong Kong but am turned off by having to pay full suggested retail prices ($10-20 USD for paperbacks, $20-50 for hardcover). I've found some bestselling writers' ebooks online, but general, NY Times bestseller-list type books are hard to find. Any suggestions?
And here's a pic of a sweet gal I did in CP a long long time ago, wonder if anyone has done her or if she's still around?
SF
[QUOTE=Superforce99]This might be kind of out of place, but I was wondering if anyone has a good online source to download/trade ebooks. I usually buy physical books in Hong Kong but am turned off by having to pay full suggested retail prices ($10-20 USD for paperbacks, $20-50 for hardcover). I've found some bestselling writers' ebooks online, but general, NY Times bestseller-list type books are hard to find. Any suggestions?
And here's a pic of a sweet gal I did in CP a long long time ago, wonder if anyone has done her or if she's still around?
SF[/QUOTE]
Oh my my my - First wanting to go back and start reading books.... and then trying to connect up with a long lost old flame.
What happened SF - somebody cut you loose and now you're foot-loose and fancy free again?? If so, that's great News actually - one more monger back on the prowl!!
SEAJ
And see you in CP soon ..... \Wapec
[QUOTE=Superforce99]This might be kind of out of place, but I was wondering if anyone has a good online source to download/trade ebooks. I usually buy physical books in Hong Kong but am turned off by having to pay full suggested retail prices ($10-20 USD for paperbacks, $20-50 for hardcover). I've found some bestselling writers' ebooks online, but general, NY Times bestseller-list type books are hard to find. Any suggestions?
And here's a pic of a sweet gal I did in CP a long long time ago, wonder if anyone has done her or if she's still around?
SF[/QUOTE]
I can not access the forum from my hotel. Is there an issue with access restrictions in China?
[QUOTE=Ericklein]I can not access the forum from my hotel. Is there an issue with access restrictions in China?[/QUOTE]
Yes the boys in Beijing have blocked the site in China. Gotta use VPN or a proxy server.
Do a search and you can find info on both.
ES
It looks like One Wing Low did not like my latest post on his thread. We exchanged a few PMs below and he must have put me on his Ignore list since I cannot find his forum on the board anymore. Or, has he been banned?
OAH
Re: To losers like you
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Stay off my forum.
Quote:
Originally Posted by OldAsiaHand
Quote:
Originally Posted by One Wing Low
Everything is a fantasy.
OWL,
IMHO, you started out on the board OK. We even invited you into the inner circle in Zhuhai when we first met. You asked me for advice about a freebie in Beijing and I graciously gave it to you. It all went downhill from there.
You started to overpay and brag about it. You attacked my good friends on the board. And, your posts became more and more unbelievable and far-fetched.
Jackson gave you your own thread as a polite way of telling you that you are not wanted on the main board. If you keep up the antagonistic approach you will be banned completely.
Just my POV.
OAH
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]It looks like One Wing Low did not like my latest post on his thread. We exchanged a few PMs below and he must have put me on his Ignore list since I cannot find his forum on the board anymore. Or, has he been banned?
OAH[/QUOTE]
Not on my screen either. Maybe he flew away? :( He was an odd bird!
OWL's still there. He's up one level like AG. Here's a link:
[url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2906[/url]
His thread is also moderated. I presume it's not him doing the moderating though, or else he would have deleted most if not all the posts in there.
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]It looks like One Wing Low did not like my latest post on his thread.
Re: To losers like you
Stay off my forum.
[/QUOTE]
Hmmmm... the little twit also sent me the same PM.
OK, no problem for me to stay away from HIS forum - but does he really have the right to tell us to stay off it?? I'll just post it in both his forum as well as here!! So there!!
Look-it OWL, you may be able to convince dem Tijuana gals that you're some BSD or ?? And in fact, even some of the posters on the Tijuana thread may be convinced ... thinking that you are Chinese/Taiwanese (I've read questions asking you this). But perhaps you've been eating too much fish tacos and/or raw oysters there!
Look-it, Bigotry in China is ubiquitous - against foreigners, people from different provinces, those on the lower economic scale etc etc In fact discriminations against anything that is not like ourselves.
And the fact of the matter is that you are Vietnamese (or is it Cambodian/ Laotian?)- and not only has there been a series of complications/battles between China and its Southern neighbours, but worse, memories of the Boat People exodus are still fresh in people's minds. Poor, in rags, speaking strange languages; boat people... and there is no worse Chinese discrimination than that against the poor.
So you expect us to believe your Penthouse magazine fairy tales?? Not only have you been busted countless times - but any one looking at you - short, skinny, with thick bottle spectacles - right away thinks of Mad Magazine!! And you actually got the guts to portray yourself as being a real Lothario/Valentino! Heck, of course all of us cain't help it but laugh.... and put you back in your place!
Look-it, your story telling abilities and command of the English language IS good - why don't you use such talent to better and proper use? Like writing TRUE stories, Like not giving us BS - heck in fact, why not everytime you write, why dontcha write a true story and then your fantasy as to what in your mind it should have been. Now, THAT would be great!!
SEAJ
They removed his thread from China and moved the thread up one level to Asia. It's the same level as Macau, India, Japan, Vietnam, Philippines, Laos etc.
If the stories came from other guys, I might believe them. But OWL has been caught lying and exaggerating too many time. He's a little boy who cried wolf too many time and lost creditability. Oh What a Lier, OWL
I will delete this post is 12 hours.
I've noticed that of late there has been a number of these sort of 'exasperating/provocative' type of posts on the ISG China threads i.e. James Chong, Phantasmagoria (in Sugar Baba's thread) etc put up by newbies.
I suspect that there is a guy(s) out there just trying to take the mickey out of all of us.
IMHO
SEAJ
Retort from our favorite story teller Oh What Lies!!
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[QUOTE]In this post you are just showing a lot of your own personal bigotry, prejudice and petty jealousy. Next time try to provide some proofs, like a real educated man, before accusing anyone of lying.
If you cannot get a few beautiful , loving GF's in HK or China without paying, that does not conclusively prove someone else cannot do it.
That just proves you are a stupid loser in your own home land.
Moderator. [/QUOTE]
1. You've been 'caught out' numerous times for your lies.
2. Moody points out another one of your misinformation (lies??) and you of course revert to character and call it nit picking. You wanted fact and proof - well, that is fact and proof!
3. You are a short, bespectacled old geezer and basically a caricature of the classic dirty old man, PLUS,
4. You are of a nationality generally looked down by the Chinese - not only on racial basis, but worse, on the basis of pure economics. Why would any self respecting gal - especially a Hong Kong gal - want to even be seen with the likes of you?
5. Your statement that she took you to a restaurant in Hong Kong that is cheaper than in Shenzhen shows the kind of low rent dives your "rich Hong Kong gal" goes to. Also, respectable and well off gals in Hong Kong do not go shopping in Shenzhen.... and then spend the night in a massage parlour there. Only old and lower class "zie lie's" do that.
6. On your statement to OAH "....you stop being someone's friend when you start doubting his honesty...." Nobody is doubting you about your honesty - the fact of the matter is that you have shown yourself you to be dishonest.
7. Like I said previously, we ALL KNOW your penchant for telling elaborate and richly adorned tales of exaggeration and outright lies - why don't you use such talent to instead regale us with true stories? Or when you cain't help it and are off again on a tangent/reverting back to form to tell us that is your over active imagination at work again!
8. Your writing IS quite good and I do like your story telling abilities - so why dontcha make such talent to good use instead of....THIS??
Back to you (O)h (W)hat (L)ies.
SEAJ
Did you guys know that our friend Oh What Lies also has his own Tijuana Thread? On that one he seems 'sober' enough -
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2907[/url]
Hmmmmm.....????!!
SEAJ
[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]Retort from our favorite story teller Oh What Lies!!
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1. You've been 'caught out' numerous times for your
SEAJ[/QUOTE]
Well..... my above post in HIS thread is deleted. I wonder why???!!
But ...... there ain't nuthin' he can do if I post the same thing HERE when posting THRE!!
Muahahaha!!
SEAJ
Guys, I have been using WiTopia VPN for a few months but lately cannot for some reason.
I am use a proxy right now but it is awkward.
Any suggestions for a good inexpensive VPN???
ES
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I just returned from HK to China.
If you are arriving in HK.
The best place to get a visa to enter China is to go to Chungking Mansion, second block, elevator A.
China Visa Service
It is on the same floor as the New Kowloon Guest and Apple Guest House. In the corner, there is a small office advertising visas for different countries. 750 HK for a double entry visa (I am Canadian). If you submit your passport before 11:00 am, it will be ready at 1:00 pm the next day. I have used this service many times.
My advice is to don't bother saving a few dollars by going to the Chinese governments office in Hk. The lineup will be too long, and also you will spend too much time trying to find the building.
New Kowloon Guest house:
You can get a room for 200 HK, clean, with a tv and shared toilet. Very safe.
Don't bother listening to anybody who tries to offer you a room near the entrance of Chungking mansion. The majority of hostels/guest houses are dirty and run down. Lots of shady characters!
[QUOTE=Eaglestar]Guys, I have been using WiTopia VPN for a few months but lately cannot for some reason.
I am use a proxy right now but it is awkward.
Any suggestions for a good inexpensive VPN???
ES[/QUOTE]I had the exact same problems. Talked with them over the course of three days. Still could get it to work. It maybe that your router has had a little extra "boost" given to it, by 哥哥 (big brother)... They gave me back my money with no problem and now I am using hotshield again, which is free, but a little annoying with the ads, especially the Friendfinder ones.
Good Luck.
I am not sure what is mentioned in the forum about this, but I used this way to access ISG, so I am just writting it!
There are different sites offering FREE computer remote access services.
It is ideal for travellers that have a computer connected to the internet in an office, where other people don't use this computer (Or else they can see what you are doing!!!!!)
One of them is [url]www.logmein.com[/url]
[QUOTE]=Ace of Spades]--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The best place to get a visa to enter China is to go to Chungking Mansion, second block, elevator A.
China Visa Service
750 HK for a double entry visa (I am Canadian). If you submit your passport before 11:00 am, it will be ready at 1:00 pm the next day. I have used this service many times.
My advice is to don't bother saving a few dollars by going to the Chinese governments office in Hk. The lineup will be too long, and also you will spend too much time trying to find the building.
[/QUOTE]
Please click on
[url]http://www.fmcoprc.gov.hk/eng/zgqz/blsjfy/[/url]
1. Cost of double entry visa for Canadians is HK$220. Express service - $150, Rush service (next day) $250. You overpaid by $280.
2. You actually prefer going to Chung King Mansion - the worst dump in the whole of Hong Kong/where all the drug dealers and the dirtiest street walkers congregate/the cheapest, dirtiest hostels/a fire trap etc etc in Kowloon rather than go to the China Resources Building just a short walk across the covered bridge to the Wanchai/Lochart Road Foreigner mongering destination area?? You gotta be kidding!! Precise map on the website above.
3. You would actually trust anybody at Chung King Mansion? Worse, you would actually hand over your travel documents to "China Visa Service" versus some scrap of paper that they probably gave back to you? Do you know that Chung King Mansion is also the place to get any kind of 'documents' you may need? Wonder how much a genuine Canadian passport would be worth there!!
4. OK, the lines at the visa office has been a bit longer than usual these days - but if you get there before the official opening hours and start to already line up - I'm very sure you can get out of there in less than half an hour. Hours and Address:
7th Floor, Lower Block, China Resources Building,
No.26, Harbor Road, Wanchai, Hong Kong SAR
Office Hours
Monday to Friday (except Hong Kong public holidays,)
9:00-12:00 14:00-17:00
5. The ONLY way I would recommend anybody going thru ANY travel agent or visa service office is IF they can guarantee you SAME DAY service - which Wadman mentioned previously mentioned as being possible - but which I think NOT probable - as these travel agents/visa guys also need to line up the same way that an individual do and are forced to adhere to the same rules and time constraints as is posted on the above Web site.
I've posted the above information time and again - And I apologize to you Ace - but I really think that posts as yours serve a big disservice to all of us. Sorry.
SEAJ
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]Hey Tiger,
That looks just like your ZH boyfriend[/QUOTE]
Oh WOW - so you, OWL - are Tiger's boyfriend?
And what is this with deleting posts instead of coming back with your usual glib - and totally nonsense - replies??
Come on guy (????) - your diatribe is the highlight of my day!
SEAJ
WOW - OWL IS KING - and doing it 5, 6 times/day!![QUOTE=One Wing Low]It's the best place to enjoy the company of some of the best looking girls in China. You can have 5 or 6 young girls come to your room discreetly everyday. .......Master Monger set me up the first time and I became good friends and favored guest at the hotel. ........ So I dont want this hotel to be well known..............
PS: I edited out the name of this hotel so it's not overbooked. Its nice to be the king.[/QUOTE]
Naaaaah OWL - you don't have to worry about any of us mere mortals even daring to want to stay at YOUR hotel.
I mean, goodness gracious me, what wimps we're all gonna look like, when compared to THE KING!!! OWL - he with the rock hard virility, he who partakes of 5 or 6 gals a day, every day, he of the lightning fighting skills, he who's so suave every single gal he even gazes upon will drop their pants and beg for HIM to consider taking...... Oh Yeah....THE KING!!!
No.... us mere mortals would NEVER dare to even consider staying at YOUR HOTEL!!
SEAJ
[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]WOW - OWL IS KING - and doing it 5, 6 times/day!!
Naaaaah OWL - you don't have to worry about any of us mere mortals even daring to want to stay at YOUR hotel.
I mean, goodness gracious me, what wimps we're all gonna look like, when compared to THE KING!!! OWL - he with the rock hard virility, he who partakes of 5 or 6 gals a day, every day, he of the lightning fighting skills, he who's so suave every single gal he even gazes upon will drop their pants and beg for HIM to consider taking...... Oh Yeah....THE KING!!!
No.... us mere mortals would NEVER dare to even consider staying at YOUR HOTEL!!
SEAJ[/QUOTE]
Is he saying because he brought *****s to his hotel room all the time, the hotel treated him as a favored guest? Must either be a real shithole needing business or one again, he is on his Magic Carpet Ride.
-CPE
[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]Please click on
[url]http://www.fmcoprc.gov.hk/eng/zgqz/blsjfy/[/url]
1. Cost of double entry visa for Canadians is HK$220. Express service - $150, Rush service (next day) $250. You overpaid by $280.
4. OK, the lines at the visa office has been a bit longer than usual these days - but if you get there before the official opening hours and start to already line up - I'm very sure you can get out of there in less than half an hour. Hours and Address:
7th Floor, Lower Block, China Resources Building,
No.26, Harbor Road, Wanchai, Hong Kong SAR
Office Hours
Monday to Friday (except Hong Kong public holidays,)
9:00-12:00 14:00-17:00
SEAJ[/QUOTE]
I am a USA passport holder, and if I use the China Consulate in USA to get a China Visa, the current rate is $130 USD (about 975 HKD). Add $30 for express service, and add $30 for FedEx/DHL mailing costs for quick service. Total of about $190 USD (1425 HKD) and waiting time is about 3 days via mail.
It seems almost cheaper to arrive in HK and pay 1 night for a hotel in HK ($100 USD, 750 HKD) and wait and adjust to Jet lag. Plus Visa fee (1020 HKD) Plus Rush (250 HKD). 1270 for Visa + Rush = about $170 USD.
I can apply the $20 USD saved to the cost of my hotel (makes my $100 USD hotel in Wanchai to be only about $80 USD a night). Or to be cheaper, just spend a night in a Hong Kong Sauna, especially if my flight arrives late in the night.
Here is the USA consulate website, for pricing:
[url]http://www.chinaconsulatesf.org/eng/qianzhen/zgqz/t48485.htm[/url]
Note that L (Tourist) and F (business) visa are all the same price of $130 USD, including single vs double vs multiple entries all being $130 USD. Something seems wrong with their pricing.
Dar
[QUOTE=Dar425]
Here is the USA consulate website, for pricing:
[url]http://www.chinaconsulatesf.org/eng/qianzhen/zgqz/t48485.htm[/url]
Note that L (Tourist) and F (business) visa are all the same price of $130 USD, including single vs double vs multiple entries all being $130 USD. Something seems wrong with their pricing.
Dar[/QUOTE]
The pricing is correct. My friend recently got a 1 year multiple entry L visa for $130. I believe it's not possible yet to get a multiple entry L visa in Hong Kong. A multiple entry F visa costs about 3000HKD, which is considerably higher than getting a multiple entry L visa in the US.
[QUOTE=Dar425]I am a USA passport holder, and if I use the China Consulate in USA to get a China Visa, the current rate is $130 USD (about 975 HKD). Add $30 for express service, and add $30 for FedEx/DHL mailing costs for quick service. Total of about $190 USD (1425 HKD) and waiting time is about 3 days via mail.
It seems almost cheaper to arrive in HK and pay 1 night for a hotel in HK ($100 USD, 750 HKD) and wait and adjust to Jet lag. Plus Visa fee (1020 HKD) Plus Rush (250 HKD). 1270 for Visa + Rush = about $170 USD.
I can apply the $20 USD saved to the cost of my hotel (makes my $100 USD hotel in Wanchai to be only about $80 USD a night). Or to be cheaper, just spend a night in a Hong Kong Sauna, especially if my flight arrives late in the night.
Here is the USA consulate website, for pricing:
[url]http://www.chinaconsulatesf.org/eng/qianzhen/zgqz/t48485.htm[/url]
Note that L (Tourist) and F (business) visa are all the same price of $130 USD, including single vs double vs multiple entries all being $130 USD. Something seems wrong with their pricing.
to DAR
I alway tell everyone to get the China visa in US before their trip,There are alot of tourist interest to China after the bejing games,the line to get visa in San Francisco China Consulate is one block long.
Most travel agents in SF can get it for you for a min service charge if you buy your airline tickets from them,my co-worker just got his 2 yr business visa for 150 usd, but a company letter is needed take one week.
Fast eddie 48
I made the right choice under the circumstances. My advice is useful to anybody who does not want to wait, but can afford to pay a little more than normal.
Here are the facts
1) I went to the China immigration office in HK across the little bridge with my travel partner at about 10 am in the morning to submit our applications, but the line up was TOO LONG. We decided to return to the Chungking Mansion to the use the visa service I mentioned in my original posting.
2) I obtained a visa from the same service in the Chungking Mansion one time previously last April during a short stay. No problems. Reliable. He even helped with the fictious proof of ticket and hotel booking that was required at that time until very recently. No legimitate travel agency would provided those documents.
3) A week prior to leaving for HK , (I am based in Foshan, Guangdong), I called numerous agents and government offices to find out if the old visa policies would take effect soon. No change. I exhauasted all of my options. So I did not mind using the visa in HK a SECOND TIME.
4) I would not give my passport to just anybody.
5) My preference is NOT to stay at the Chungking mansion for many of the reasons you mentioned. There are some REAL safety issues there, but descent/clean accomandation can be found on the premises. Be careful about where to stay and who you talk to. Most hotels nearby are either too expensive or too filthy.
6) My accomandation was DIRECTLY next to the visa agent’s office. I never had to go VERY FAR to submit my passport. The visa agent offers extremely flexible hours to submit and retrieve passports. Submitting visas at the immigration office REQUIRES waiting in line TWICE. Once to submit your passport and another time to retrieve. All of this running around requires lots of time. Also if you get to the front of the line, let’s say, 5 minutes before closing, I can almost gurantee you will be told to come back the next day – if this falls on weekend, too bad.
CONCLUSIONS
Under the circumstances, Chungking Mansions despite the shady and unsafe nature of the place is the BEST PLACE to stay in HK and get your China visa until everything goes back to normal.
I have been following all the posts here but still don't have the info I need.
I am American living in Shanghai. "F" visa expires Nov 30 and I do not have a sponsor to get a new one.
I don't care what kind of visa I get just need multi entry.
Any suggestion? Best to go to Hong Kong? Local agent here are telling me prices in the RMB10,000 range
ES
[QUOTE=Ace of Spades]
5) My preference is NOT to stay at the Chungking mansion for many of the reasons you mentioned. There are some REAL safety issues there, but descent/clean accomandation can be found on the premises. Be careful about where to stay and who you talk to. Most hotels nearby are either too expensive or too filthy.
CONCLUSIONS
Under the circumstances, Chungking Mansions despite the shady and unsafe nature of the place is the BEST PLACE to stay in HK and get your China visa until everything goes back to normal.[/QUOTE]
If you exit the Chungking Mansions and turn right, walk one or two blocks, you will find Mirador Mansions on your right. It's a similar building with many accomodation options, at a similar price. If you need to find a cheap stopover in Kowloon this is another option. I think it's a bit better than staying at the Chungking shithole Mansions.
There are also travel agents opposite the Chunking Mansions, on the corner of Peking Rd and Nathan Rd. I think they are expensive for visas.