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Any Body know where all the big boobs chics in Vietnam? All I see are the slim flat chest type. Some how, I just love the big tities one (fake is ok). Guys, Please come back and share your infos. This board is username and password protected now. Noobs proved !
I find big boobs Viet girls for 5 USD/ST in China, along the Sino-Vietnamese border. And in Phnom Penh as well, but fewer. It might be that Northern girls have more big breasts than the Southeners. In cambodia, it is Southeners, in China Northeners. Would any good connoisseurs of the Vietnamese anatomy confirm ?
This new board sucks, nobody is posting. I'll be in Vietnam for while starting next week and would love to hear the latest on the discos in Saigon, or if any of you guys want to hook up for a beer. Also need good info on hotels that are girl friendly and decent. I promise to return the favor with a full report upon my return. thanks. cocobchman@hotmail.com
I just returned from HCMC May 18th. I stayed at the Thanh Long Hotel at 54 Pham Hong Street. It's across the street from the New World hotel in Dist. 1. I had several different girls in my room at different times with no problems. Day and night. But never any of the prostitutes. I do know that the Doorman or owner will get one for you if you like. They told me they range from $30-$100 for 2 hours. I saw many coming and going. All were very hot looking. If you want more detailed information email me at ozkal@swbell.net
[QUOTE]Originally posted by coco beach man
[i]This new board sucks, nobody is posting. I'll be in Vietnam for while starting next week and would love to hear the latest on the discos in Saigon, or if any of you guys want to hook up for a beer. Also need good info on hotels that are girl friendly and decent. I promise to return the favor with a full report upon my return. thanks. cocobchman@hotmail.com [/i][/QUOTE]
This is a commentary.
The board sucks? How about posting useful information yourself?
People post/read here supposedly for mutual benefit throught the exchange of information. Therefore, one would reason that the exchange would work both ways, no?
This particular poster was asked by numerous people, including myself for a location of a "unadvertized" brothel in Baltimore which he posted about and would not provide additional informaton to the board (supposedly at mamasan's request) or backchannel me (reason given - he doesn't know me). This is on the record at the Maryland >Baltimore Board. I have requested that he reconsider his position without any response.
Cocobeachman, it appears you are well traveled and that is great.
I also know you request information from others - here and in Waldorf Maryland. I was willing to provide it to you, as were others.
Please, consider providing information publicly and privately. You request it, but heck, if we all took your position that "I don't know who you are" as the reason for not responding to requests for backchannel information, then no useful information would be exchanged even "privately".
I don't know you and you don't know me, this is true.
I am a hobbyist and intend to go to Asia this fall which is why I am scouring the Thai, Cambodia. Malay, Phillipine and Vietnam boards and stumbled upon your post here. I was rather taken aback that you would criticize about the lack of posting (i.e. exchange of information) as this seems a little like the pot calling the kettle black.
I hope we all can collectively exchange information in the future and not continue with this one way street.
I ask you, again, to backchannel me on information on the spa/brothel you mentioned in your post Baltimore's board. You have email from me, I hope you will respond in a positive manner.
Thanks
Clix
hi guys,,the USA board changed to this new format over a month ago and at first it took time for everybody to adjust... now its better than before because it works faster and has some improved features, you still have the old board posts available if you want to re check old info. and soon people will catch on to the new one.
Any VIET KIEU brothers out there that has reliable info about the hot "actions" in our homeland please drop me a line at charlie007_svn@yahoo.com. Cam on rat nhieu.
could anybody provide serious escort in HCM I'll be there end of june or so for couple of days, I'll not have the time to search because of my work so I would organize before, or if there is something like casa I could go there, I would prefer to get a girl for my entire stay
Thanks for your help
mecar@tin.it
Hello everyone...i'm going to vietnam this next month. so anyone please tell me which is the best hotel to stay in HCM city to find girls.
and where i can easily find girls.
thanks
please email me at bangnhi@msn.com
since this forum is changed to the new format, this section on HCMC is practically dead. Where are previous active contributors in the old forum like beast and dirty-dog etc.? Can you please keep it coming?
I travel to HCMC occasionally. Your info is invaluable to people like me. Will soon post my experience of being busted after a session in Hot Toc, when I am more free.
maldym, i think dog and i got a bit bored the posts made by others which weren't very relevant and got on with enjoying the city
Here's the report I promised.
I was in HCMC in May. One nite, I felt horny and let my dick do the thinking. I allowed myself to be persuaded by the cyclo rider to take me to a hot toc somewhere in Q3. After a HJ session with one of the big busted girl, I came out and the cyclo rider told me he's tired and intead recommend a motorcyle taxi to take me back to my hotel in Q1.
The motorcycle however took me to Q11 and pretended to have lost his way. He looked for a waiting taxi and hustled me into it. Immediately, a few of his friend appeared and one of them get into the taxi with me. I was threatened and emptied of my pockets. Luckily, I did not carry much cash with me and no other cards or passport. They were disappointed but did not harm me physically, and left. The taxi was not part of it. In fact, the taxi driver is very helpful and took me back to my hotel, waited patiently while I get back to my room to get my money to pay him.
Morale of the report: NEVER TRUST ANY CYCLO AND MOTORCYCLE TAXI RIDER AT NIGHT.& DO NOT CARRY MORE THAN ENOUGH CASH WITH YOU.
Hi everyone,
I have been to vietnam many times before and will go again on August 10-26. Let me give some info on what I know. I was back there last year. The club scenes were closing early because of drug problems. I think at midnight. The girls in the clubs are by far the prettier ones but they cost up to $50 USD for the night. I think the cost are sometimes high because the girls might have to split the money if they are introduce to you by friends or mamasans. The clubs in Saigon are Monaco, Spaceship, Club 2000. Just ask the hotel or taxi drivers. Don't ever go on the motorbike but the car because they are registered and won't charge you anything thing extra. There are smaller clubs where there are slower music and girls in there that can dance with you for a small fee. Most of these girls will go back to the hotel with you. I went to the Catwalk club last time. It's in the New World Hotel. I think all taxi drivers know it and everyone else because Clinton stayed there during his visit. Anyways. There was about 50 girls in there (all very pretty) just sitting around or dancing with each other. There were only five guys in there the whole night. One of the guys told management that he want one of the girls to go sing karaoke with him on the upper floor and off she went. I know many other places including one at super bowl next to the airport. I would not recommend taking girls off the street because these girls are often not as pretty, use drugs, or good at pickpockets. There are cheap but probably not worth it if you are not the adventurous type. Some of the hotels with offer you pretty girls for the clubs for $50 or more a night. Bullshit. Excuse my language. They tried that on me many times but I'm not a rookie here and knew better. They just grab 2 girls from the street and pay them almost nothing. They let you choose one and return the other or return both and get two more new ones if you don't like the first two. The hotel workers could see that you are white or single and would offer girls to you. Just decline politely because it's a ripoff.
I do know pick up places in other cities as well. Like da lat, nha trang, da nang, etc. Take too long to list here. If you like to know more about anything just email me or ask on this forum and I'll try to get back to you asap. Anything for massages, bars, clubs, prices, travel, hotels, etc.
As for Saigon. Was last there in '99. Last time I was there you coudnt bring ladies back to your hotel (if the hotel is nice). There are love hotels, but, felt it was too risky to try...though I hear many people do it. Though, Ladies can visit you in your room during the day. So, I didn't mind have the girls come over at 10am for a quickie, lunch, and some sight seeing, then back to the hotel for more action and maybe swim. there are some bars/discos to go to meet girls..the only one I remember is Apocalypse Now.
Can anyone provide any information on the status of bringing girls back to the room? One day the Vietnamese have got to change this crazy policy.
what's up guys..i'm back from my trip to thailand and vietnam. so here's the report that i've been promising.
first off, i'm going to tell about my trip to thailand so for all those out there that only want to know about vietnam then skip down.
i spent four wonderful days in the land of smile..and you can bet that i was smiling my whole trip there. i first visited the eden club...only the best there is. check their website for info. i had two lovely thai girls that do everything i like and they were experts like no other. all your fantasies can and will come true here. the good gogo bars are long gun in soi cowboy, any rainbow in nana plaza, and g-spot in nana plaza. there are all types of girls: tall, long hair, big breasts, etc...well at least that's what i like. just be careful because one of the girls i almost went with at rainbow was only 15 years old and i could tell she wasn't the only one ****. the thai girls are really nice and treated me very special so i'll go again next year to see them.
now about my trip to vietnam. the nightlife is still dead
...everything closes at midnight. there are a few new disco clubs that are hot. blue is number one right now and lots of hot girls there. the only problem is that they are more expensive now then ever. the girls only go for one hundred and up for the night. the girls also don't hit on you like before so you have to be aggressive and not be afraid to ask. if they are sitting in a group of four girls or so with no guys around, then the are working girls. if not then they will politely tell you that they are not interested and you can go to the next group. lots of beautiful working girls in there. if you only like to dance and talk with them then tip them 5 dollars and that is more then enough. these girls only have customers two or three times a month! and that is more than double the average person in vietnam. the other club to go to is speed on tran hung dao. speed is a little less crowded but still lots of fine girls. i mean these girls are prettier then the models in vietnam by far. speed is a good place to go on the weekend when blue is too crowded to walk in. go about 9:30pm to 10pm and it closes at midnight.
i met one of my girlfriend at blue. she was sitting across from me and all i could do was stare at her like a fool. she was the prettiest thing there. one of my buddies saw my mouth open and drooling so he came over and talk to the girl for me. she wasn't a working girl but still single. i came over and talk with her and got her number. dated her a few times and we got along great. thinking about marrying this one next year so wish me luck guys.
my other girlfriend, i met at cafe nhac tre and bar at 131 nguyen hue. nice bar with music and comedy every night. the bartender girls were really nice to me and so were the waitresses. lots of them gave me there phone numbers but i was only interested in the pr girls. they are the dancers and really fine. i believe that one of them even won the beauty pagent in saigon a few days before i left. i took her out to eat to celebrate it with her. she is one of the few girls that i met that is taller then me and i am 5'9.
anyways, i like another girl there better and we dated for five or six times. took her jetskiing and bowling etc. sorry guys..i'm not as wild as usual because i was looking for a real girlfriend to marry this time around so didn't want to lose time playing around.
this bar is for guys who want a relationship only because these girls are not working girls.
i stayed at the same hotel again. the hotel across from there is called thai thien and many girls come and go from there. most of the girls are called by the hotel or with someone already. there are many street girls at midnight to three but i don't bother with them because most are druggies. most haircut places and massages are clean now...nothing special. cops are too strict now. karaoke places are okay but cost a lot. you can arrange with the girls to meet you afterward but not worth the trouble.
in summary, the best and probably the only place you should go to find nice looking girls are in the discos at blue and speed. my friends got fine looking girls all over them there. oh, there is a coffee shop called window's cafe in saigon. all the fine girls are there after 1pm or noon time before they go to work. just hang out there to meet friends or look at all the fine girls who come in and out of there. definitely the finest girls in vietnam all go there.
one more thing, i didn't go in catwalk at new world hotel but passed by it many times. i always have dates and damn country closes the nightlife too early that i can't go on dates and have fun afterward. i see a few really nice looking girls sitting out front with foreigners so that could be a nice place to check out especially for those who have lots of money. classy girls in there that are all working girls.
i guess that's all for now. so much to tell about but email me for specific info that you want...like certain places and girls that work there. i don't like giving names and numbers out here. i did go to da nang for five days so i have info about there also. anyways, thanks for reading and good luck to all. my email is minhnh2@aol.com
hello every one this is Dirty Dog. it's been a long time since i check out WSG. seeing the new forum, i thought i would once again contribute. my favorite "hoc toc" is located near the bus station on xo viet nghe tien street or something like that. sorry for the vagueness but the place is called "xuan" something. i will get the exact address and name soon. "virgin" from the old discussion board referred me but i think "beast" was the first to know about it. anyways the younger sister of the mamason has large perfectly shaped tits. she will let you perform a 69 on her. and she lets you cum in her mouth. (all the girls lets you finish off in the mouth but only 1 lets you do the 69) price is 70,000 vnd. well worth it! the other place i fequent is the brothel in Phu Nhuan district. by far this is the best venue around. it's on tran quang khai/tran hieu lieu street. to get there turn north on tran quang khai street from le van sy. go about 1/2 a km. it on the left and side just before a "bitis" shoe store. it has blue gates which are always closed. often there is a bonus motorcycle parked in front of the house.buzz the door bell, Loan the mamason will anwer. if you are a smooth talker she may let you in. she speaks only vietnamese. try to ask for a special massage. the price is 200,000 vnd for full service. just about anything you want.the house is clean and confortable as well. they have 2 new girls a day there. thursdays are the best. oh and no tipping expected. GOOD LUCK TO YOU ALL. If you have any trouble getting in let me know i might be able to help. also try to tell her that "thanh sent you" (in vietnamese). that's the guy the referred me and a good friend of the mamason.- dirty D.
Hey Dog, long time no hear. There are a large number of Hot Toc near the the Eastern Bus station, can never remember the name of the one I frequent just recognise it from the outside. Never got around to trying many of the others in the area.
Still pay VND 70,000 for a shampoo and BJ no tip required. I can think of worse ways to spend a hot lunch time.
Anybody looking for Windows cafe mentioned by Vietkieu it's located on the corner of Pham Ngoc Thach and Tran Cao Van next to Ho Con Rua (Turtle Lake).
im still in vietnam. i may be returning to the states soon but for only a brief time then come back here. the hoc toc with the great BJ's that i mentioned is NOT on xo viet nghe tein street. it's on Qouc Lo st. (spelling?) the best way to find it is to get on Nguyen Thi Minh Khai street and go out of the city center towards Binh thanh district. at he big round a bout go straight. soon you will be at 5 way intersection. go straigt for maxium of 100 meters it's on the right hand side. don't vier right on the road to thanh da district. the mamason will quote you price of 100.000 for the "massage" but she will settle for 70.000. also i heard from a trusted friend that the bar/lounge on the 9th floor?, of the Caravel Hotel has some fine working girls available for 500.000 vnd all night. a little steep for me but may be worth it. everyone do not go to the HOA SON karaoke i previously mentioned. even though the got a great selection of girls for 200.000 vnd full service. they have resorted to being a rip off establishment. too bad. they use to be really good. if you still want to take your chances my advice is YOU open the beers and only ask them to bring into the room what you intend on drinking. otherwise the girls will pop open a beer every 2 minutes. then they will charge you for those beers even though you haven't drank them. keep a close eye on what the girls are doing. if you can do that then you shouldn't have too much problems. in my next post i will tell of some "cafe oms" -cheap BJ and outcall service. hey beast, i heard Monaco bar is openning up again soon, is this true?
I'll be there in November too, I'd like to meet up with some of you guys. I spent the month of June there and met a very beautiful girl working at the Spaceship as a bartender, but otherwise the place was dead. Apocalypse Now was okay but I did end up finding a real gem there about on my 5th time going to that bar, ended up spending a week with her. Most of the go go bars I found the girls to be pretty nasty except for one at the Green Hill bar. Hot tocs I walked in and out of probably a dozen or so, never saw a girl worth staying for. Catwalk was fun for one night, beautiful women but the place is mainly for guys who don't mind spending the extra money so they don't have to go on the hunt for women. Stayed at a 3 star hotel and they let me bring the women in, I just became friendly with the night managers. They would not even accept a tip! Great guys, I think I amused them with my constant stream of different women. I watched one guy drunk and arguing to bring a girl in, made me kind of embarrassd to be a fellow American. Be cool and you will get pretty much what ever you want.
I was in VN in June 2002 for 2 weeks, my friends took me to one of the BJ coffee shops in Go Vap. I were trying to go to karaoke om, but my friends advise me not to go there because they will rip you off. There are many massage parlors that will give HJ too. I have never tried "hot toc" yet. If you guys have new info. please post here so we can all read. thanks guys.
hi guys, I'm glad that all the PROs are all back. Maybe this is too early to ask, but I already booked my flight ticket to Vietnam for December. I'm not a stranger to Vietnam. I've been to Saigon a couple of times. I had been to almost all bars and clubs got mention in this forum, but all I can find is typical Vietnamese girls with small chest and slim body. My questions: Is there a good place to find girls with big boobs? fake is ok. How to hook up with "models" type girls. Money is no problems. Thanks
Hey all, I am new to this forum. But I am booked on a month long trip to Vietnam, and was wondering where I could get some "stay wives", meaning someone to have the time I am there...as well as where to find working girls that have a place of their own.
Taodan,
Could you please tell us more to help and locate more precaisely this "BJ coffe shop" in go Vap ? Thanks.
Erik,
You need to go with local people; otherwise, you won't be able to tell which one offer BJ Coffee Shop. When I went with my friends, they told me many of the good ones were shut down because of the gov't crackdown.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Erik
[i]Taodan,
Could you please tell us more to help and locate more precaisely this "BJ coffe shop" in go Vap ? Thanks. [/i][/QUOTE]
Coco Beach,
I will be in VN in Nov. I am Vietnamese and now in Bay area. Anybody will be in VN in Nov to Dec and want to get together and have fun, please email me at [email]crt415@yahoo.com[/email]
hello dity d. and everybody else
some more specific directions would be appreciated, hoa son karaoke is located in which street/number?
also, do you have a street number for your great hot toc? will be much easier to locate...numbers are usually on the business sign outside the shop, or maybe a neighboring number!
your efforts are appreciated
hi all,
i see a lot of posting now. let me see if i can try to answer some of the questions posted. about the hoc toc place..it's on the quoc lo (the main road that leads out of saigon). most taxi drivers know about this place. there are lots of cafe om in thanh da. usually the ones with the little coconut trees in front means there are girls. i went to one my last trip because i know the owner there. i took the loverly girl to eat and listen to viet music before going back to my hotel for the night...cost for me was only $3 because the girl was willing to go for free. i know how to get there but i don't really know how to show others to get there though. i'm sure there are lots of places like that in thanh da though. best bet is to find local connections.
there are lots of karaoke places but not worth the money spent there. the girls will go with you for $21 but the cost at the place is like $50 because the girls drink and open everything they see. they get yelled at if they didn't. for that price, i rather go to a club or bar and pick up a nicer looking girl with more class. most people go to karaoke bars only to do business and sign contracts.
but for those interested..there is one on 275 le thanh ton...across for the new world hotel. it'll say karaoke so can't miss it. it's one of the better ones.
i have been to local brothels. the one i went to have some nice looking girls with big breasts too. i can't find that place again if my life depends on it because you have to make a thousand turns in some small streets. the local people knows and it caters to local people. i tried a few other spots like that but nothing good. most of those places have girls that are ugly and also can't go with you. only action there and cost with tip is $5. the girls are usually from the countryside and can't leave even if they want to. they also have sex with many local guys everyday so up to you though. i did enjoy the one that i went to though.
about hotels...most 3 stars hotels will let girls up. i see no problems there at all. most of those hotels will cost about $17 per night so stick to the price. most vietkieu stay there. if you are going to stay for a month..you might want to rent an apartment with a/c and everything fo about $200 a month. i have mentioned dai loc on 271 le thanh ton...right next door to the karaoke place or tan hai long on le lai..near ben thanh market. both are in the heart of all the action...which is district 1.
about girls who will spend the month with you..there are so many. i would just go clubbing or to a bar and pick up a girl for free. they would love to hang out with you and take u places. if you want to pay for it then same place hihi. just try the clubs like blue and speed....see if you like the girls there.
not many girls in vietnam have big breasts. i know there are some in other asian countries but not in vietnam. about model girls...you can find them at model/fashion shows. i have no problem asking them out on dates and none have refuse so far. i'm on the shy type but sometimes have to be brave. i'm just average looking at best so be confident.
i'm going to go back to vn again on jan. 3th. anyone interested can email me at minhnh2@aol.com. also i will answer questions for those that are gentlemen.
minh
Hello is anyone on this board in ho chi minh right now I am leaving soon, but if anyone wants to go out on the town this friday let me know at luongcam@hotmail.com
Thanks VietKieu for the repply. I just wonder why not many Vietnamese girls get implant in Vietnam. Maybe because of the cost? About Fashion show. How do I get info about when a fashion show will take place? Do you need some kind of back stage pass to ask those girls out? I heard that there are brothel places that offer "model" girls. I know it'd better to ask a model out and get to know them before anything, but I'd rather have those time to do my own bussiness. I"m in a tight schedule in Vietname. I will only have 3 weeks, and I have to visit alot of places and people too.
short update on current scene in hcmc:
apocalypse: alive and thumbing, best on friday nights, girl/men ratio about 2:1, some lookers, some average, going price LT USD 50, ST USD 30, please do not pay more!!!
bars in hai ba trung area: samesame as always, prices as AN, girls seem to have done the rotating game recently
streetwalkers: always possible, the ones on dong khoi (on motorbikes) are definitely not recommended!
otherwise ST 10, LT 25
other discos like sped and blue, similar AN, although some girls really have no connection to reality, NEVER pay more than 50 USD LT, ( current salary for a factory worker 50 USD MONTHLY!!!)
when you get asked 70 - 100 USD, just laugh at them, for everyone refusing there will be 5 eager for USD 50!
anybody has more specific infos on the hottoc scene and brothels in saigon?
Crack down on prostitution is going on in VN. So, you guys will have to stay low for a while. Best bets are KTVs adn get the girls out, or girls on motobike, but be extra careful.
Read this page.
http://vnexpress.net/Vietnam/Xa-hoi/2002/10/3B9C11EC/
The prime minister has asked the police to crack down a week ago.
Was that a general call aimed mainly at the population in general, or is it likely to involve the foreigners' sector as well ? Sometime police make the difference, for economic reasons.
Erik,
It was a PM's decree so regardless of which sector police will go after. Recently, the vice squad busted a group of Korean men were having sex with prostitutes at the hotel after they met at the karaoke parlor in 1st District.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Erik
[i]Was that a general call aimed mainly at the population in general, or is it likely to involve the foreigners' sector as well ? Sometime police make the difference, for economic reasons. [/i][/QUOTE]
Hello all, so we know something is going on in HCMC. A bad news for a guy like me....who's getting there in a week or so.
So how does it look in HCMC? Is it pretty dead at nightclubs and all? How are the people(girls and expats) reacting to this....policy? Is it still OK to bring girls to hotel rooms? What about the massage parlors? Are they being raided too? Thanks for the info.
hairydude,
do not worry you will find enough girls around. AN basically has the same number of girls, as well as HBT bars and massage places. the only difference really is that everything, with the exception of some girlie bars, closes at 12.00. so don't wait too long.
this action is just in order to present a credible face and secure overseas aid in the fight against traficking. etc
the real situation does not change in hcmc
Has anyone tried the Medusa Club behind the Amara Hotel in District 3? Just wondering what to expect to pay and if they have ST rooms on the premises for FS. Thanks in advance.
I know that this isn't the purpose of this discussion group but please could someone tell me where is a good department store in HCM City, preferably in District 1, where I shall be for a day. This is just to buy some regular clothes and shoes (nothing ethnic).
Also a nice big supermarket.
Thanks for all the info. on the shagging; I just want to do a bit of shopping as well this time I'm in HCM City.
good ( and expensive) department store is diamond plaza, right smack in the center of town, near cathedral. you might also go to dong khoi street and try and find something in all the little shops that line this street.
Friends,
I'm new here and i must say after reading your messages i feel very excited. Some of you are lucky to have beautiful Vietgirls. Have you, by chance, got pictures of them (esp. those with big tits, my type! :-))? Pls share these photos.
Thanks
Adorateurseins
(sorry for my bad English)
had to try something new last night and went to medusa club, behind amara hotel.
had never been there before, but heard a lot about it, so i was of course quite curious.
arrived about 9.00 pm, walked into the ground floor lounge, sat on one of the very comfortable sofas there, waiting for things to happen. first impression - place is very stylish..and very empty.
soon the mamasan approached me asking if i desired company. a few minutes later she brought about 10 girls, that had been hiding upstairs, to my table for selection. 5 - 7's, not such a great menue. anyway found one girl to my liking and asked her to sit down with me.
as this visit was only for reconnoissance i was happy that she could speak reasonable english and explain to me the set up.
here is a quick overview of prices mentioned:
table charge ( that's a charge for you to sit down at a table, without girl) USD 10 ( i think if you decide to sit at the bar this charge will not apply)
girl charge USD 10 + drinks (my girl drank milk (!) which was USD 3.00 a glass, my gin tonic USD 5.00)
if you would like to sit in one of the numerous karaoke rooms upstairs the cost for this is usd 40 ++ (drinks etc)
i think this does not incl any action except groping!
you will be asked pretty bluntly by the waiters or mamasan after a while if you want to take the girl to an amara hotel room, other venues obviously not possible.
cost for room USD 45.00 short time or overnight
Girl ST USD 70, LT 100 USD
might be able to negotiate this!
usual patrons here are asian business men (korea, taiwan, japan etc) so prices tend to be extremely high. girls also additionally expect tips!
it was mentioned that there are more than 100 girls working here, and i realized after a while that, although the place seemed empty, there was constant coming and going into the karaoke rooms. saw some lookers too, but maybe i was too late/early/not looking rich enough to be presented with them.
all in all it looks like an easy and safe sanuk place if you don't mind spending the money. we all know of course from past experiences that high price does not gurantee a high level of service, so i passed on this yesterday and went home alone.
Ratufreddie,
What a coincidence that I decided me too to know a bit more about this place yesterday evening. Maybe we met... I did not even sit down, I just asked the young and tall mamasan about the prices and got the same info as you. As I asked durectly if it was possible to take a girl out and how much, she answered ''of course, no proble.'' ST means 2 hours, 70USD, and overnight 100usd. The only thing I did not know is the 10 USD X 2 for sitting with a girl. She had just mentionned 10 USD for chatting with girl. I did not know also that the hotel have a specail rate of 45usd for the customerse of the club. The reception quotes 60usd for the cheapest room. The few I saw seemed to be really beautifull girls, who seem can be seen walking on the different floors of the hotel, going from the club to the rooms. I might try next time, if the mamasan garanties the service. The more beaautifull the girls are, the worst service is, especially with the Vietnamese.
Whoevers want to have a try please report here about quality of service.
Hi all,
About the department store...cho ben thanh is in district 1 but please do bargain a lot...like more than 50% of the price. I think diamond plaza is nice and have bowling too.
I have a trip planned for the end of december...4 days in thailand and then to vietnam. Anyone want to meet up...email me.
Fire at Blue Disco.
According to several news sources, there was a big fire broke out at the Blue Disco and quickly spread to other floors at the International Trading Center in HCM City. There were 54 people died and many injuries and the number could climb higher. So for now, if the Blue Disco is on anyone's list then start to look for other place to pick up chicks. Having fun and enjoy your trip guys.
I hear about a 3 days closedown of entertainment places to mourn for the 100 victims or so of the Trade center fire.
Back on the subject of Medusa club, when I saw the scene the other day, and the pretty young girls with decollete, on their hight hell shoes, I felt I definitelly should have to come back with 100 USD in my pocket, on my next trip. Now that I am in Bangkok, I have reasonned with myself : for the amount of money that it would cost me in Medusa, I can have 3 superb Thai girls from the best gogo bars of Nana Plaza. As beautifull and young as the Viet girls of Medusa, speaking more english, and, I am sure, with a quality of service more garantied than in Medusa...
erik, i'm with you there, usd 100 in asia is just too expensive!
in my opinion the service cannot be ever so good to spend that kind of money ( a casual laborer, for example garment industry, monthly salary around USD 50).
for this reason i enjoy my little escapes to BKK
another option, certainly more time consuming; there are heaps of vietnam girls on the known friend/love connection sites. try and make contact with them prior to your arrival. good chances for sucess.
Ratufreddie,
Seems we have more than one idea in common : I "met" a 20 Years old girl on internet a few months ago. We have been exchanging emails, then she sent me her photos, she looked quite pretty on the photos. Last week, when I arrived in HCM City, I called her, we met in my hotel, and I was a bit desappointed : she was not as attractive as she looked on the photos. You know the kind of photos made in studios, in traditionnal dress !
It is an embarrassing situation. I took her to restaurant, I offered her the small present I had bought for her. What else could I do ? I am a gentleman and I did not feel just telling her "sorry miss, you are not as fuckable as I thought, you can go back home, bye bye, good luck next time". I won't try again to meet girls on internet.
Re Erik Internet picture (can't be) Blind Date.
Hi,
Same sort of thing happened to me in Indonesia.
I took a much older thing out to dinner, told her
straight and gave her a generous taxi fare home.
I felt very embarassed and a bit of a bas..d.
We must remember though, that this part of the
world can be very cruel. I think you handled that
stuation quite well.
regards.
erik, i had a different experience
only one try and good sucess, maybe lucky.
when are u returning to hcmc?
we should definetely have a coffee together and swap stories
Two important questions for a new expat in town:
The horny one: Anyone aware of any action around Q12 at all?
The serious one: What place in town is best for landing a nice educated girlfriend (no pay)?
HELLO FELLAS, SORRY FOR NOT POSTING IN A WHILE. I HAVEN'T READ THE POSTINGS LATELY BECAUSE I GET TOO DEPRESSED DOING SO! THATS BECAUSE I AM BACK IN THE STATES NOW WITH MY WIFE. BOY DO I EVER MISS ALL THE ACTION IN VIETNAM. HOPE YOU ALL ARE DISCOVERING NEW PLACES TO GET SOME GREAT ACTION. IN THIS POSTING I TELL YOU ABOUT THE CAFE OMS. THE ONES I USUALLY FEQUENT ARE IN GO VAP DISTRICT. I FORGOT THE NAME OF THE STREET BUT TRY THIS OUT. GO NORTH ON HA BA TRUNG STREET TO GO VAP DISTRICT. HA BA TRUNG TURNS INTO NGUYEN KIEM STREET IN GO VAP. AFTER THE ROUND A BOUT YOU GO STRAIGHT AHEAH ( ACTUALLY THE ROAD VIERS SLIGHTLY TO THE LEFT AND IS NO LONGER NGUYEN KIEM STREET) WHEN YOU SEE A BOOK STORE ON THE LEFT THAT IS WHERE YOU TURN LEFT. ALL THE CAFE OMS ARE ON THE LEFT. GO LATER IN THE EVENNING. SOME OF THEM ARE OPEN WAY PASS MIDNIGHT. AND SOME OF THEM WILL ARANGE GOOD OUT CALLS FOR YOU. (IF YOU PICK THE RIGHT PLACE) THE GIRLS WILL GIVE YOU A BJ AT THE VERY LEAST. THEY USUALLY SERVICE THE LOCALS SO IF A FORIEGNER OR A VIET KIEU COME IN THAT'L MAKE THEIR DAY. HOPE THIS HELP. ONE LAST TID BIT, I RECOMMEND FOR ALL THE EXPATS TO WORK OUT AT LAN AHN HEALTH CLUB ON CACH MANG THANG TAM STREET . A GREAT PLACE TO COLLECT INTEL AND EVEN MEET HOT CHICKS. MOST EVERYONE SPEAKS ENGLISH THERE AND VERY FRIENDLY. BEFRIEND A LOCAL BODY BUILDER THERE NAME mr. TAI. HE IS VERY FRIENDLY AND WILL HELP YOU FIND WHAT YOU WANT. WELL THIS WILL LIKELY BE MY LAST POSTING IN VIETNAM. ANY OF YOU ALL CAN EMAIL ME IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION. I'LL BE GLAD TO HELP IF I CAN. FOR NOW I WILL STAY IN THE STATES FOR YEAR OR TWO, THEN MY FAMILY AND I WILL BE OFF TO GERMANY! I CAN'T WAIT. DON'T ASK ME HOW I GOT SO DAMN LUCKY BUT I FOUND A HOT WIFE THAT IS INTO SWINGING. FFM, AND MMF VARIETY. WE PLAN TO INDULGE IN GERMANY SOMEDAY SOON I HOPE. THEY DON'T CALL ME DIRTY DOG FOR NOTHING. C-YA ALL. AND TAKE CARE. PERHAPS I WILL POST INFO ON THE STATES AND OFCOURSE GERMANY WHEN THE TIME COMES. LASTLY IF ANY OF YOU EMAIL ME, MY REPLY MAY TAKE SOME TIME. I CHECK MY EMAIL ONLY ONCE A WEEK. EVEN THOUGH I HAVE A P.C. IN MY HOUSE. BEST OF LUCK. BYE.
I am in Saigon, now. If anyone want to meet up & go out, have some fun together. Let me know
at kevint888@yahoo.com
hi all,
i'm getting ready for my trip to bangkok and then vn with someone i met on wsg. can't wait because i'm leaving in less then a week. i will bring my pen and paper to write things down this time. i want to give a better and more detailed report of all the places. i was asked why viet girls don't get fake breast...it's because of the cost and being looked down. girls don't wear dress often because of motorbike..hard to sit on with dress and also the scars from the mufflers. i forgot all the other questions so ask again.
i'm actually getting married with a girl there even though i met her only a few times. going to be a little busy but willing to meet up with some of you for some action. i will get a report when i get back.
i know blue burned down and now speed and phuong dong are really crowded. lots of vietkieu this season so i hope things don't get to crazy.
saigon is alive and rocking this christmas. even with the crackdown still going on, early closing hours and so, there are many new girls in town. generally a good selection. the longer i stay here the more convinced i get that there are many very beautiful women here and many of them enjoy sex very much (and often). that does not mean that they would do it with me for free, but the spirit of the GFE is easy to find.
good places are all discos and nightclubs, of course AN but also the more local ones. pricing can vary wildly, depending on the circumstances $ 15 to $200.
girlie bars have their outside lightning rarely switched on these days but business seems as usual. there are the ones with in house BJ service, or takeout, if that's your pleasure.
there is a lot to discover here and of course prostitution is and has been part of this society for a long time and there is a large and varied local scene that is basically off limits to foreigners.
Has anyone ever tryied one of the expansive girls of Medusa Club in Amara Hotel ? I'd like to know how was the service. Do the girls offer a kind of standardized service, garantied by mamasan, so that you are sure to get minimum items like shower toghether, BJ, etc ? Or does it depend of any girl.
Thanks.
I'm going to Vietnam, specifically Ho Chi Minh City, this coming July, 2003. This will be my second time there. Anybody interested in meeting me there for some fun? I did not do much when I was there the first time, so I'm going to do something this time.
Any update on the sex scene in Vung Tau recently, please ?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by blowmeup
[i]I'm going to Vietnam, specifically Ho Chi Minh City, this coming July, 2003. This will be my second time there. Anybody interested in meeting me there for some fun? I did not do much when I was there the first time, so I'm going to do something this time. [/i][/QUOTE]
are you Viet or asian??
[QUOTE]Originally posted by AMPGuest
[i]are you Viet or asian?? [/i][/QUOTE]I'm Vietnamese chinese. I was originally born in the Chinese community in Ho Chi Minh city. I can still speak 75% Vietnamese.
I'll be in HCM City in March... Any recommendations on places to stay that are "near the action"? Ideally not terribly expensive, relatively clean, A/C, bath, and either patient with non-VN folk, or english-speaking...?
thanks!
What's up with Vietnam forum? Where all the mongers in Vietnam? Please post up some action reports.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by taodan
[i]What's up with Vietnam forum? Where all the mongers in Vietnam? Please post up some action reports. [/i][/QUOTE]
Don't know if you know this place. It's a hotel called "Hoang Nhat"
Address is: 18 Bui Vien St. District 1 - HCM City
Tel: 8.367958
$50/hour - FS. Don't know how much the others (hj, bj) cost. Will send in a girl one at a time for you to pick. Place is clean with a/c, bath before and after. Chicks are not bad and damn horny.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by blowmeup
[i]Don't know if you know this place. It's a hotel called "Hoang Nhat"
Address is: 18 Bui Vien St. District 1 - HCM City
Tel: 8.367958
$50/hour - FS. Don't know how much the others (hj, bj) cost. Will send in a girl one at a time for you to pick. Place is clean with a/c, bath before and after. Chicks are not bad and damn horny. [/i][/QUOTE]
Gentleman,
What was your experience with the girl(s) there (e.g., attitude, look, etc....)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by blowmeup
[i]Don't know if you know this place. It's a hotel called "Hoang Nhat"
Address is: 18 Bui Vien St. District 1 - HCM City
Tel: 8.367958
$50/hour - FS. Don't know how much the others (hj, bj) cost. Will send in a girl one at a time for you to pick. Place is clean with a/c, bath before and after. Chicks are not bad and damn horny. [/i][/QUOTE]
Sounds expensive for this area. Basically all girls in the Pham Ngu Lao area can be had for 300.000 to 400.000 VND.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by taodan
[i]Gentleman,
What was your experience with the girl(s) there (e.g., attitude, look, etc....) [/i][/QUOTE]
Looked pretty good, an "8" from a scale of 1 to 10. Nice attitude too. Had no problem with the way she treated me. Well, maybe because I can speak Vietnamese too. She even took me around HCMC after the service, well, of course, I had to pay for her portion of lunch/dinner.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Erik
[i]Sounds expensive for this area. Basically all girls in the Pham Ngu Lao area can be had for 300.000 to 400.000 VND. [/i][/QUOTE]
Yeah, I think I got ripped off. Also, I got the girl thru mamasan, and that already was the reason why I had to pay more. If I picked up the girl myself, I'm sure it would have been much cheaper, around 300.000 to 400.000 like you said.
$50 should buy LT, overnight, GFE experience. i never pay more than that, although girls surely do ask for more. keep in mind monthly salary garment factory $40!
these girls are making in one night what their sisters and cousins make in one month.
went to AN last nght, very crowded, a different mix during the holidays. finally left alone, no surprises in the line up unfortunately. went on to linda's and got a girl from there, nice experience, the works. $50 overnight, sex as you please.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ratufreddie
[i]$50 should buy LT, overnight, GFE experience. i never pay more than that, although girls surely do ask for more. keep in mind monthly salary garment factory $40!
these girls are making in one night what their sisters and cousins make in one month.
went to AN last nght, very crowded, a different mix during the holidays. finally left alone, no surprises in the line up unfortunately. went on to linda's and got a girl from there, nice experience, the works. $50 overnight, sex as you please. [/i][/QUOTE]
Yeah, this sounds just like Pattaya, Thailand, except that services in Thailand are usually cheaper, and there are more chicks to pick.
Sorry if it's answered somewhere else but I'm coming to Vietnam in the next few days. What is AN? Also Where is Lindas?
AN is the famous bar Apocolpyse Now. In March, I'm taking my first trip to Hanoi, HCMC, and a coastal destination to be decided later. I'm not familiar with Linda's.
Linda's is one of the bars in the Hai Ba Trung area, often these bars are referred to as kissing bars, although at linda's more oral action can be had in- or outtake.
Many Thanks,
Last question I'm thinking of staying at the Rex or Bon Seng Hotel. Are these hotels girl friendly?
Vigo - Pathetic Rex is govt owned and NOT guest friendly like ALL such hotels controlled by the communist regime. B.S. is a joke where the gay towel boy will push you for a silly HJ from the staff massage girls.
Good luck newbie!
vigo,
neither one is easy, though maybe not impossible. generally, be very discreet, don't make a fuss,you might be lucky. other wise use one of many mini hotels by the hour.
Heading to Ho Chi Minh next week for work. Hear the girls at AN are pushy and expensive but I am not one for picking up random girls on the street. What is the best place to go to? I am staying at the New World Hotel, any chance getting a girl into that place? Interested in any and all advice.
Heading to HCMC on the 16th. Heard the girls at AN are pushy and expensive, but not that fond of picking up on the street. What are other clubs to meet girls that are nice and reasonable (not cheap, just reasonable)? Staying at New Worrld Hotel, any thoughts? Good place, can you get a girl in there? Any other advice would be great, it is my first trip.
I'll be in HCMC in early march. Any advice on hotels? I was going to do what LP suggests, make a reservation for one night, and then find hotel space there in person after you arrive (better bargaining ability), any thoughts on that?
Any favorite moderate to nice hotels? The prices I see listed for New World seem a bit high for VN... Somebody else recommended the "Prince Hotel" (Saigon Prince, I'm assuming). Any thoughts?
I'd like somewhere nice, since I'm going to be spending time with "regular" girls and impressing them with a nice hotel may help. ;-) But without payng through the nose...
hey guys....no need to stay at fancy dancy hotels that will cost you an arm and a leg. you're better off staying at a 3 star hotel and spend most of your money on the girls. i highly recommend the evergreen hotel which i stayed for over a week on my last visit less than a month ago. its located at 261 hai ba trung street so you're basically minutes away from all the happening spots. the going rate is 20 bucks a night which is inexpensive compared to new world and saigon prince which goes for 80 a night. get to know the night shift at the evergreen hotel and they'll let you bring in whomever you like at the middle of the night without any hassles. is it usually two younger vietnamese guys that works the front at night so just be nice to them and they'll even help you find the girls you want. girls can be had left and right even without paying for it because these girls digs us foreigners and vietkieus. but if you like to spend a night with the most gorgeous girl check out club speed and liquid. here is where all the hottest action could be found....good music, electricfying atmosphere, and beautiful model like quality girls for your pickings...i thought i was dreamming when i walked in..haha...ask them over for a drink and they'll glady come over and provide company. if you dont end up taking her to your hotel be considerate and tip them 10 bucks for their time. and if you want to take it a step further 50 bucks should be right price to pay depending on the girl. some will insist you pay a little more because of their looks so its up to you whether to fork out extra. but cmon guys. 100 for a night of all you can eat pussy buffet is well worth it and cheaper than amp's.. i honestly didnt do anything with these girls and i fucking regret i didnt now that im back in the states..unlike most of the members here, im a poor college student so you can understand why i couldnt do much but if anyone has more questions feel free to ask.
[quote]originally posted by gotlaid?
[i]. girls can be had left and right even without paying for it because these girls digs us foreigners and vietkieus. but if you like to spend a night with the most gorgeous girl check out club speed and liquid. here is where all the hottest action could be found....good music, electricfying atmosphere, and beautiful model like quality girls for your pickings...i thought i was dreamming when i walked in..haha...ask them over for a drink and they'll glady come over and provide company. if you dont end up taking her to your hotel be considerate and tip them 10 bucks for their time. and if you want to take it a step further 50 bucks should be right price to pay depending on the girl. some will insist you pay a little more because of their looks so its up to you whether to fork out extra. but cmon guys. 100 for a night of all you can eat pussy buffet is well worth it and cheaper than amp's.. i honestly didnt do anything with these girls and i fucking regret i didnt now that im back in the states..unlike most of the members here, im a poor college student so you can understand why i couldnt do much but if anyone has more questions feel free to ask. [/i][/quote]
gentleman,
are you serious that you did not f...k any girls there? so what's the point you went to the club for? just to drink and look at the girls? i am with you. it is a regretful :-(
btw: how long did you stay in vietnam? and how much did you spend on airlines ticket?
Hahha..not even man...closing thing was to sex was caressing the chicks...I'm a party guy and I went to those main clubs to dance and have a good time. Having those girls around was a bonus and only if i had a little more money I might have spent some time with them.
I went for christmas and stayed for a total of 25 days and i had to make 800 dollars last so you can understand why i didnt do anything. My plane ticket from San Francisco to Saigon cost a total of 1280 including visa which is quite expensive but it was a last minute thing and I really wanted to go so i paid it. Perhaps this upcoming Christmas I might go again to visit a few relatives and to relax and if I do, I'll definitely bring more cash and be more prepared.
Hi to everyone,
I'm new to the Vietnam part of the board so appreciate your help here. I've just arrived in Saigon and am working to a very tight budget but enjoy beer and honey as much as the next guy. Is there anyone in Saigon now that fancys hooking up for a beer and showing me the sights? As i say budget is tight so it'll need to be the lower end but i'm sure there must be some fellow mongers who fancy it!
I'll be working in Saigon for the next 2 weeks, and then back again in about 6 weeks time, so feel free to drop me a line,
[email]MeatyWSG@hotmail.com[/email]
Of course all excursions will be posted here for all to enjoy.
Looking forward to it.
Hi Guys,
Just another quick one, It would appear from first glance that Saigon seems to finish up at 12am, even last night (Friday) I know theres AN until 2am(?) but surely theres more places that we can goto for a few more beers, music, honey, other than the tiny hole in the wall mafia gaffs or AN.
Any ideas? (i know the obvious answer is Bangkok :-) but i'm hoping theres somewhere in Saigon.)
sorry guys but i'll be visiting vietnam for the first time march 3-9 so i have a few questions. gotlaid, what percentage of the girls at club speed and liquid are available at a price? is it most of them? also i would like to join rumpus in asking about hotels. i'm think about bong seng, new world, or maybe saigon prince. i don't mind spending up to $80 per nite. i need two things 1) a safe preferably in room but at the desk is ok and 2) a good location. is an near the tourist area, i plan to go there each night for a little bit. also are any of the hotels i mentioned near an or dong koi (the main drag in town.) thanks for any help.
Jimbehr2000,
Id have to say 90 percent of the girls you see inside those clubs and bars are call girls that could be had for the night if offered the right price. I thought my friends were joking and over exaggerating but performed a test to show me and sure enough 9 out of 10 girls were there to find work. As far as the hotel, I think its a waste to stay at those high end hotels as you are only there to sleep at night since you're out traveling around most of the time so who cares if its not up to american standards. Evergreen hotel is where I stayed and the cheapest room theyve got runs for 20 bucks a night and its comparable to a motel 6 and for 30 you can get a double bed room thats like a room you find at a Marriot courtyard. They have fre breakfast and other services too. All those hotels youve just mentioned are all clusted together in dist 1 which is the main spot to be in saigon so either one will do. I heard from a friend that stayed at Prince Hotel has seen a karaoke bar there filled with working girls so stay there a night and tell me what u find.
Thanks for the info. I'll be spending a week there total. probably 2 nites in Hanoi, 1-2 somewhere near Da Nang-Hoi Am area, and 3 in Saigon, and time permitting 1-2 nites in Na Trang. Its my first trip there so I want to see a little of whatever I can fit in the trip. Wish I had more time. I'm a little concerned I won't have enough nitelife in the beach areas. I'm more of a city guy than a beach guy. Hope W can keep his hand off the trigger long enough for me to go and get back.
How can you tell if they are providers? Did your friend do the squeeze test? I've lived in Southern California all my life and it's hard to tell who's a provider. It's quite common for the regular girls to dress slutter than the providers in Southern California. So you can't just walk up to a slutty-looking woman and throw out a number. Can some veterans here describe the step-by-step procedure to score with a hot disco girl in VN?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by gotlaid?
[i]Jimbehr2000,
Id have to say 90 percent of the girls you see inside those clubs and bars are call girls that could be had for the night if offered the right price. I thought my friends were joking and over exaggerating but performed a test to show me and sure enough 9 out of 10 girls were there to find work. As far as the hotel, I think its a waste to stay at those high end hotels as you are only there to sleep at night since you're out traveling around most of the time so who cares if its not up to american standards. Evergreen hotel is where I stayed and the cheapest room theyve got runs for 20 bucks a night and its comparable to a motel 6 and for 30 you can get a double bed room thats like a room you find at a Marriot courtyard. They have fre breakfast and other services too. All those hotels youve just mentioned are all clusted together in dist 1 which is the main spot to be in saigon so either one will do. I heard from a friend that stayed at Prince Hotel has seen a karaoke bar there filled with working girls so stay there a night and tell me what u find. [/i][/QUOTE]
Monkeyboi I live in So Cal too. I'll be in Vietnam on next week for the first time. But from I've heard it goes like this: In Southern Cali assume the girls are not pros. In Vietnam assume they probably are pros.
I've heard whispers of 'barber shops' offering extra services, in fact some of them don't even cut hair at all. BBBJ goes for around D100,000 ($6). Does anyone have info on these places, location, price, service, girls etc.
I'm still looking for a monging buddy, feel free to drop me a line at [email]MeatyWSG@hotmail.com[/email] if you fancy showing a newby around in Saigon.
GotLaid? Cheers for the info, i'll drop you a line soon.
M
Monkeyboi,
Forget about the dress code. The fact is 90% of the girls who showed up at these club are providers. The one who responded to your direct eye contact will certainly be a green light to move forward. Either approach her or invite her to your table for a drink. If she flow along with your approaching in the openly fashion, you hit the spot . Spend a little time to open up the air between you and her, then ask her if she want to spend time with you at your place. Simple is that ! Of course the money subject will be floated up quickly ... Enjoy and don't forget to post your results !
I've never been to Vietnam. So any help would be appreciated. First, is it safe to travel there from the states ? If I want to stay for a week, how much expense is enough to cover hotel(regular, not luxurious ones), meals and some entertainment(girls) ?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by AsianDude
[i]I've never been to Vietnam. So any help would be appreciated. First, is it safe to travel there from the states ? If I want to stay for a week, how much expense is enough to cover hotel(regular, not luxurious ones), meals and some entertainment(girls) ? [/i][/QUOTE]
dude,
There are many Americans in Vietnam. Don't worry for your well being if you behave yourself. If you are an "asshole" then don't go just stay where you are. Also don't bring your American attitudes to VN because Vietnamese don't need that. You asked a question about expense but didn't give a number then it's very hard to tell. Hotels, meals, and entertainment in VN are not that expensive. For hotels, if they are not luxurious ones, are in the range $25-$50. Good luck and have fun.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by taodan
[i]dude,
There are many Americans in Vietnam. Don't worry for your well being if you behave yourself. If you are an "asshole" then don't go just stay where you are. Also don't bring your American attitudes to VN because Vietnamese don't need that. You asked a question about expense but didn't give a number then it's very hard to tell. Hotels, meals, and entertainment in VN are not that expensive. For hotels, if they are not luxurious ones, are in the range $25-$50. Good luck and have fun. [/i][/QUOTE]Hey, if you are an "asshole" and have an "attitude" then you won't be welcome anywhere, not just Vietnam. Thanks for your advice. Even though I am not a cheap guy, $25 - $50 for a midrange hotel seems a bit high considering local economy ? Weather-wise, what is the best time/season to go there ?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by AsianDude
[i]Hey, if you are an "asshole" and have an "attitude" then you won't be welcome anywhere, not just Vietnam. Thanks for your advice. Even though I am not a cheap guy, $25 - $50 for a midrange hotel seems a bit high considering local economy ? Weather-wise, what is the best time/season to go there ? [/i][/QUOTE]
Dude,
I am sure there are hotels that have lower price range but you get what you paid for. For weather-wise, here is a quote from Lonely Planet web site:
Being only 10.5° above the equator and between 5 and 10m (16-35ft) above sea level, Ho Chi Minh City is almost a template for tropical weather. Temperatures rarely vary from about 30°C (86°F), however the seven or eight month wet season can certainly make things wet, sweaty and generally uncomfortable. Heavy downpours can last for days on end, although the city is largely spared the devastation of typhoons that hit the northern areas on the country. The driest time is between December and April, when the humidity is mercifully down below 60%.
tao dan.
are you in vn ? i was told speed is gone! is it right? any recommendation for minihotel ? who would allow extra person on short notice as well as other similar to an? i have not been back there for a while and do not remember much.
any one in this forum attending canton fair in april please let me know.
thanks
[quote]originally posted by warriorxxx
[i]tao dan.
are you in vn ? i was told speed is gone! is it right? any recommendation for minihotel ? who would allow extra person on short notice as well as other similar to an? i have not been back there for a while and do not remember much.
any one in this forum attending canton fair in april please let me know.
thanks [/i][/quote]
sorry, i am not in vn right now. when was the last time you were there? what is canton fair and where is it?
Tao dan,
I was there back in 93 and for the fair you can see it at
http://www.icecf.com/
It in in China and the city is Guangzhou. Can you email me at kp6022@attbi.com and let me know where,what and how etc in VN. Where are you located?
Thanks.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by warriorxxx
[i]Tao dan,
I was there back in 93 and for the fair you can see it at
http://www.icecf.com/
It in in China and the city is Guangzhou. Can you email me at kp6022@attbi.com and let me know where,what and how etc in VN. Where are you located?
Thanks. [/i][/QUOTE]
My fellow American,
Are you going to the fair and then stopover to Vietnam? I don't know how long you are going to stay in VN so it's hard to say. Any member here has any idea or tips that can help Mr. "warriorxxx"? Saigon's nightlife scene (i.e., adult entertainment) is different from BKK's because it's not obvious but in a subtle way. In recent weeks, police raided some hotels when the girl(s) and her client were in action in their room. So be careful!!!!
I read a article recently saying that police in HCM City has started a crackdown on dancers or performers who wear sexy cloths or too suggestive cloths, as they don't fit with the vietnamese traditional moral. Could anyone explain me what kind of shows and places it was refering, as I never saw anything like a a gogo bar in HCN city.
Thanks.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Erik
[i]I read a article recently saying that police in HCM City has started a crackdown on dancers or performers who wear sexy cloths or too suggestive cloths, as they don't fit with the vietnamese traditional moral. Could anyone explain me what kind of shows and places it was refering, as I never saw anything like a a gogo bar in HCN city.
Thanks. [/i][/QUOTE]
Erik,
There is no go go bar in HCM city. There were some bars allowed the hostesses to strip nude, but they were raided and closed down by the gov't.
anyone know if liquid and speed are still the best current places to pick up quality women? i was just in hcmc 2 weeks ago but did not get a chance to check them out. apoclypse now is okay but i am getting a little too well known there. i'll be back next week and i appreciate any info on other discos. the girl bars are okay also but hard to find a young fresh women in those places.
hey guys,
just finished reading through the entire thread here and i think i now have a better idea now of what to expect. thanks for the great reports.
i'm leaving for sea in two weeks for my second trip to the region but my first to vietnam. so i have a few questions i'm hoping you might be able to answer.
1. i plan on going back to cambodia again and have heard that it's possible to enter vietnam by land. is this true, and if so, does anyone have any info about the length of the journey and costs involved? in other words, is it less of a hassle to just fly from phnom penh?
2. from the posts, it seems like the prices for girls varies pretty drastically depending on where you find a lady. is the $50 lt - $25 st a pretty good standard to go by?
3. what's the real update on the club scene? it sounds like one place burned down and a couple others (speed/liquid?) may be shut down? any other suggestions?
4. i'll be heading out by myself on this trip, so does anyone have any advice regarding security? (i.e. things to watch out for, places to avoid, etc...)
thanks for helping a newbie.
mp
i have only spent one night here in hcmc but i can tell you the nightlife is very much alive here. an was very crowded late into the night and some decent girls were available there. an did disappoint me in the large number of guys dressed as women. hai ba trung st kissing bars were jumping as well. one veteran i met here tells me the scene is as alive as it has been in several years. i have two more nites here. i hope to visit some discos (speed, liquid, gossip) if they are still open. i would also like to at least look at the scene in upscale clubs like medusa. i'm told the omni has incredible upscale women but its near the airport. can anyone recommend any massage places? i did bong seng 1 but the girl asked for $80 which seems high for here. i read saigon hotel has good massage but i don't know whether its the same hotel saigon right near bong seng. star inn has been mentioned but nobody here knows about a star inn. looks like i'll be taking a day trip to vung tau tomorrow just to get some rest. but then again i hear vung tau really rocks.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by taodan
[i]Erik,
There is no go go bar in HCM city. There were some bars allowed the hostesses to strip nude, but they were raided and closed down by the gov't. [/i][/QUOTE]
Taodan,
Are you refering to some bars of the Hai Ba Trung area where hostesses wear very light cloth, and would show you their breast if you buy them a drink ? Actually, this article that I read in the Bangkok Post was speaking about ''shows'' of "performers" in indecent cloths. Any idea ? Maybe some sexy 'fashon show'...?
[quote]originally posted by jimbehr2000
[i]i have only spent one night here in hcmc but i can tell you the nightlife is very much alive here. an was very crowded late into the night and some decent girls were available there. an did disappoint me in the large number of guys dressed as women. hai ba trung st kissing bars were jumping as well. one veteran i met here tells me the scene is as alive as it has been in several years. i have two more nites here. i hope to visit some discos (speed, liquid, gossip) if they are still open. i would also like to at least look at the scene in upscale clubs like medusa. i'm told the omni has incredible upscale women but its near the airport. can anyone recommend any massage places? i did bong seng 1 but the girl asked for $80 which seems high for here. i read saigon hotel has good massage but i don't know whether its the same hotel saigon right near bong seng. star inn has been mentioned but nobody here knows about a star inn. looks like i'll be taking a day trip to vung tau tomorrow just to get some rest. but then again i hear vung tau really rocks. [/i][/quote]
jimbehr2000,
you are in hcm city now. good for you bro. there is one massage parlor named hoang thanh near hoang thanh restaurant on nam ky khoi nghi st in district 1. it's a big massage parlor. if you don't know just tell the taxi driver. most of them know the place. if i remembered correctly, it's 10usd/hr for massage and if you want extra just ask the massage girl. i was given a hj plus some touching (i.e., tits, pussy) for 10usd. i don't know if fs is allowed there. remember to negotiate the price because the girl(s) always give you a high price if you are a foreigner or viet kieu (overseas vietnamese). i was there with some local friends while i went there.
good luck and have fun. and don't forget to write report(s) for us. thanks bro.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Erik
[i]Taodan,
Are you refering to some bars of the Hai Ba Trung area where hostesses wear very light cloth, and would show you their breast if you buy them a drink ? Actually, this article that I read in the Bangkok Post was speaking about ''shows'' of "performers" in indecent cloths. Any idea ? Maybe some sexy 'fashon show'...? [/i][/QUOTE]
Erik,
The information I got was from the news in Vietnam so I don't know where they are located at. Some in Govap and Thu Duc districts.
taodan: thank you for the info. i will go there if i don't do a day trip to vung tau this morning. vietnam is lots of fun and the town is pretty wide open in this scene. you just have to look a little harder but district 1 is very active.
i can now confirm gossip, club speed are closed. pretty sure liquid is too but i am not 100% sure. hoang lan bar on thai lung street is not open 24 hours anymore as reported in an earlier report. another interesting place i found is a very upscale bar called camarague on bis thi sach street next door to cafe mogambo. its a regular bar and not all girls are on the program but i did notice some that later showed up at an. pickups are not very open here but certainly possible. some nice eye candy to look at though. i also visited u2 a kissing bar just off hai ba trung. my new friend got down to business right away. selection isn't great but i found one that looked good to me. one lady drink and then retireds to the "back room" for fun and games.
i am still looking for two things: 1) greenfields address and a semi-upscale place with an excellent selection to take out for st. if you know boss club in hanoi that's what i'm looking for. boss club impressed the hell out of me. again thanks to all posters here. i printed out much of your info for my trip and it has been invaluable to me.
Jimbehr,
Do you mean Green Hill? That is a hostess bar at 40 Thai Van Lung. Did meet a stunner there back in November who I ended up spending a week with. But did not see much there 2 weeks ago.
Medusa is not too well rated, Catwalk and Queenbee have some beautiful women but it seems that if you are not Asian they don't treat you too well. Or maybe they just thought I was too picky.
I'll be back next week and I wish someone knew what disco the women currently hang out at besides Apoclypes. I appreciate your help guys, and if you are around I'll buy you a beer. ( and maybe even a women if you can steer me in the right direction :)
TaoDan thanks for Huang Thanh massage tip. I went yesterday and had a good time. The place is big and was very crowded. After I got there I started to turn around and walk out because I wasn't sure I'd like it being the only Westerner around. A guy there took me on a tour of the facilities and I saw a few girls and that changed my mind.
mrmeyers, I was looking for Green Fields but I now believe you were right and I should have been asking for Green Hill. I don't know about the disco scene here as the places mentioned on this website seem to be closed. The most impressive quality I saw was at Camaruge Restaurant's Vasco Bar (Thai Bis Sach St.) but I think only a small percentage were available. At the very least it wasn't an obvious pick up joint but what the hell do I know. I'm leaving HCMC today for Bangkok. Hope you'll check out Camargue and let us know what you think. Biggest disappointment for me here was Caravelle Hotels's Saigon Saigon Bar. No available women at 11:00PM on a Thursday night. The rooftop view of the city was nice.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by jimbehr2000
[i]TaoDan thanks for Huang Thanh massage tip. I went yesterday and had a good time. The place is big and was very crowded. After I got there I started to turn around and walk out because I wasn't sure I'd like it being the only Westerner around. A guy there took me on a tour of the facilities and I saw a few girls and that changed my mind.
[/i][/QUOTE]
Jimbehr2000,
There are several massage parlors but they are smaller. You the only Westerner there? And you scared being around too many local guys there? They won't harm you as long as you don't do anything stupid :-)
Your report is too brief. Can you elaborate more? How much did you pay? And how was the girl that gave you massage? Etc...
The bar at the hotel you mentioned is high end and I think hardly any working girls there. What about disco clubs? Did you try any of them?
There was a place called Green Fields on Mac Thi Buoi but it closed. U2 offers similar sort of quality and service i.e an area at the back for BJ and some rooms upstairs so you don't necessarily have to buy a girl out. I paid VND 100,00 for a BBBJ after deciding not to go upstairs for VND 300,00.
Quality of the girls there isn't great but the service has usually been good and not overly aggressive on lady drinks.
This is one of the articles on the news:
Midnight curfew for discos, karaoke bars
HCM CITY - The HCM City People's Committee has slapped a midnight curfew on all dancing and karaoke bars in the southern city from October 9, as part of a major crackdown on discos and bars.
The committee has decreed that all dancing and karaoke bars in public places, including cultural centres, clubs, parks, theatres, cinemas, discotheques, hotels, guest houses, and karaoke bars will be forbidden to operate from midnight to Sam.
Any dancing or karaoke activities which violate operation licences, or break commitments that owners have made to maintain public order will also be hit by the crackdown.
In a bid to reduce the noise when bars and discos are open, the committee has set new sound volume regulations.
Under these regulations, the maximum sound level for karaoke bars and discotheques has been set at 70 decibels from 6am-10pm, and 50 decibels from 1 Opm-12pm.
The committee is also clamping down on drunks, threatening to punish karaoke bars and discotheques which serve already inebriated punters. A ban will also be introduced on sales of drinks containing 30 per cent of alcohol or more.
Any activities which could be seen to incite violence or promote sexual promiscuity will also be banned, as will the employment of people under the age of 18.
The committee said it will only grant two-year operation licences for these ac-tivities according to the city's plan that has been approved by the People's Committee.
Establishments which want to extend their licences must apply to the municipal Department of Culture and Information, one month before the licences expire.
Individuals and organisations that lease rooms for karaoke or discos will also face legal procedures if they break the new laws.
Hi Guys,
I am doing Vietnam from the 19th of March. Know Thailand like the back of my hand but have never been to Vietnam so don't know the scene. If anyone else is going to be there over that time and would like to hook up and show me the ropes in HoMC I would appreciate. Thai chicks will go with me for free (but I always pay) so I wondering if the same will happen here and the best places to go for that? I will definitly be checking out the Gym mentioned in a prevoius posting...can anyone give me more guidance on that issue please (GYM).
taodan,
i am here now and that is old news, places are open way past midnight. tonight i will check out speed and liquid because someone on another board said they were open.
dukeleto,
of course anywhere in the world you can get girls for free, i don't pay to get girls, i pay so they leave and i can be free. especially in vietnam, unless you have no heart, you may want to leave the "good" girls alone because i can assure you that they become very possesive in a short time and unless you are really in love that can be a problem.
[quote]originally posted by mrmeyers
[i]taodan,
i am here now and that is old news, places are open way past midnight. tonight i will check out speed and liquid because someone on another board said they were open. [/i][/quote]
please check those places out and let us know. thanks
[quote]
[i]
of course anywhere in the world you can get girls for free, i don't pay to get girls, i pay so they leave and i can be free. [/i][/quote]
that's a bullsh..t statement. please be real, mrmeyers.
Taodan,
What I meant is that at least when you pay a girl there is an understanding there are no strings attached, if you are with one for "free" you pay more one way or another.
I really think you know very little about what is going on here except what you read, and I think you are on this board because you have nothing better to do, so why do care about where to go in Vietnam?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by mrmeyers
[i]Taodan,
I think you are on this board because you have nothing better to do [/i][/QUOTE]
Another bullsh..t statement.
May I add this very recent experience : I am in Hanoi now. For once, I had decided to try the GF thing. So I dated this very sweet and lovely girl working as a seller in the main shopping center of Hanoi. Took her to cafe, restaurant, jazz club... We met 4 times. I was prepared to go rather slowly. Then she came to my hotel room, some kisses, but french kiss only "After we marry" said she... Don't even mention sex at this stage. I could have tryied and promise her marriage and cheat her, but as I am not a bad guy, I don't want to lie to her. I have decided to stop this experience before I hurt her feelings too much, and I will return to paying girls as soon as this evening : simpler, harmless, more honest, and ... cheaper.
mrmeyers,
thanks for the advice, however the girls as u should know are the same in thailand, however i am very upfront and honest about my intentions...it is completely up to them. anyway they have a good time and so do i and maybe even a lasting friendship.
i have no problem for paying for it and if it is a working girl who i am attracted to and thats what i want, then of course same rules apply and payment negotiated..business as usual.
to everyone
can anyone give me some info. on the kimdo royal city hotel, i see it is in district one...does anyone know if it is girl friendly? or anyother info. also same questions for the grand hotel and the majestic hotel. and for those of you who know saigon which of the 3 is better situated in terms of nightlife / girls / disco's etc.
please could those people currently in saigon relay back to this board which discos are open as of now ie. liquid, speed, an etc. i would really appreciate the feedback.
as per a previous punter i am also keen on large breasted asian women so if anyone can help point me in the right direction if they are aware of any i would appreciate it.
i promise to give feedback on my experience in vietnam, bangkok and of course my backyard phuket.
MRMEYERS,
Second thought with regards your advice. I wonder how the girls would treat me if I looked like a bucket of frogs and got all possesive over a model quality girl who knew her worth (working girl or not) I think a lot less honesty, and lot more squeezing me for deniro. And not a seconds remorse for the pain caused when I am dumped for something better. Just a thought.
Same type of place than Medusa in HCM City, same kind of price :
FORTUNA NIGHTCLUB IN HANOI : RIPP OFF **** DO NOT GO ****
Many girls in the VIP Club of Fortuna Hotel (Hanoi), but not easy to make your choice in the dark. At first, they all look gorgeous, but if you stay long time enough to look carefully at them, you will see that they are actually very average girls, well dressed, on high heels, with super wonderbra to enhanced their average breast. Once naked in your room, it is another story. They charge you 102 USD for ST, and let me tell you that the service I had was crap. The so called 22 years old girl (actually more 32, with one child at least) promitted to "eat me everywhere'. Actually, she hardly performed a BJ, the kind of BJ shey put their hands to hide that they fake sucking, insisting to have the condom ready on the bed... bad ambiance... She then spoke about money every 2 minutes, insisting to be paid upfront, which is against my principle, and I am glad I sticked to it. I had enough and sent her out. As you can imagine, that was not without screaming and big noise in the hotel, and intervention of the reception. Total damage for me : 52 USD.
So much for the posts which advertise "upmarket" places to get a good service. I return to my little barbershops. There, you can find real treasures, and if you have bad luck, you have just lost 5 or 10 USD.
VN has a GDP income of under $400 annual, although it's higher in the largest cities. A factory girl in HCMC makes about $50 month. If she's a hooker on the side or has a sugar daddy then she might have a new moto and cell phone.
The nationl price for sex is MAXIMUM 200000 dong!
Young delicious cuties (18-21 or so) are easily available at many venues (NOT the overpriced clubs) for around 100000 dong - especially outside of tourist trap areas. Unfortunately as long as stupid tourists continue to pay 10 times the going rate the place will soon be ruined just like most of the rest of developed and developing fast Asia.
Erik>
sorry to hear you got caught out i'll make sure i avoid the place. I'm interested in the barber shops though, is there any you can recommend in HCM City? if so info on location, prices, services and girls would be more than welcomed.
asiaphile>
I completely agree, the prices rise because some of us are unaware of the real price and pay way over the odds. Can you give more info on the venues you describe in your post, ie the 100,000, and 200,000 dong services.
On another note, i've vistited 2 massage/sauna venues, very cheap hourly rate, (50,000 Dong/hr) you get use of the jacuzzi, steam room, sauna, then shown to a small room with a small window in the door. Girl follows you in, no choice of girl, your hour starts then. The most i'v ever got here is a HJ but the girls are wearing short skirts, and skinmpy top uniforms, and i'm sure offer more than this on site, but i wondered if i was going to the wrong type of room. I speak no vietnamese, so cannot ask, but if there is a routine to these places, i'd appreciate any info. Oh, a HJ ranges between 100,000-200,000 extra which is not paid directly to the girl in cash, but rather added to your bill as an agreed tip!!
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Meaty
[i]Erik>
sorry to hear you got caught out i'll make sure i avoid the place. I'm interested in the barber shops though, is there any you can recommend in HCM City? if so info on location, prices, services and girls would be more than welcomed.
asiaphile>
I completely agree, the prices rise because some of us are unaware of the real price and pay way over the odds. Can you give more info on the venues you describe in your post, ie the 100,000, and 200,000 dong services.
On another note, i've vistited 2 massage/sauna venues, very cheap hourly rate, (50,000 Dong/hr) you get use of the jacuzzi, steam room, sauna, then shown to a small room with a small window in the door. Girl follows you in, no choice of girl, your hour starts then. The most i'v ever got here is a HJ but the girls are wearing short skirts, and skinmpy top uniforms, and i'm sure offer more than this on site, but i wondered if i was going to the wrong type of room. I speak no vietnamese, so cannot ask, but if there is a routine to these places, i'd appreciate any info. Oh, a HJ ranges between 100,000-200,000 extra which is not paid directly to the girl in cash, but rather added to your bill as an agreed tip!! [/i][/QUOTE]
Meaty,
I don't know if you can get FS at the massage parlors in VN given the setting of the room (i.e., door with glass that can be seen through in and outside and the lighting). I may be wrong. Not only barber shops but other venues (e.g., coffee shops) also provide services too. Most of those places are far from tourist areas thus to get there you have to go with local people; otherwise, you are out of luck.
Here’s some info on the street scene in HCM.
Lot of spot’s, mainly girls riding motorbike, sometimes with pimps waiting for people to stop. Those places are not foreign oriented but cater to locals so let’s not ruin the market.
Price is often depending of timing, if late night price can be really cheap comparing to early evening. Mainly I usually go between 150.000 VND and 250.000 VND (including room) depending on what the girl looks, the time and what she’s in for… of course little viet knowledge can help. If she still ask for more, just leave and she’ll call you back. I’ve never had troubles but never go with to much money or drunk. I’ve had all kind of services from crap to real good FS, usually no or few BJ but very tight pussy. Try to avoid girls that shows mark of mistreatment or drug use and always wear protection.
Here are some streets (not sure of spelling):
Nguyen Chi Thanh the part where double avenue between nguyen tri phoung and vinataba industry, tran nhan ton (nightspot lot of girls, sometimes in afternoon), border of district 5.
Le Duan, the part near the zoo after (mainly in the afternoon always 1-2 girls turning, sometimes In evening, little more expensive near sofitel) District 1
Haong van thu between nguyen van troi and tran huy lieu (nightspot 4-5 girls) District tan binh
Nguyen thi minh khai near college Le quy don (lot of girls there) border district 1
All these places move according police crackdowns but usually the girls stays in the same area (walking distance).
Someinfo’s on Barbershop’s, well known hot toc’s. They all offer (to my knowledge) BJ but nothing more (if more inform please).
Couple of them are on dien bien phu after the bridge on the right when leaving Saigon. Mostly prices are 70.000 paid to mamas an + tip (range from 30.000 to 100.000) The girls always ask for more asking for 10 dollars but leaving without paying will get you the price down. I Always try to agree before although it’s not that easy!
Try also on the very beginning of Quoc Lo 13 district thanh binh you have on the right one of my fave it’s called xuan something (already referred in this board earlier by Dirty D.) you pay 100.000 VND for very good BJ and no hassle although the good girls are leaving.
Did someone has info on hot toc on le lai street in front of pham ngu lao (prices, service, …) never tried those ones. I’ve also seen 2 with apparently good looking girls on very beginning of Pasteur after crossing ham ngi street (not sure but it’s in the area).
Also looking for info on bia om’s on restaurant om’s where I’ve few info’s and not reliable.
I would also been interested in some more location of barbershops or brothels.
If you need some more detail just ask or drop me a mail.
Virgin
Here’s some info on the street scene in HCM.
Lot of spot’s, mainly girls riding motorbike, sometimes with pimps waiting for people to stop. Those places are not foreign oriented but cater to locals so let’s not ruin the market.
Price is often depending of timing, if late night price can be really cheap comparing to early evening. Mainly I usually go between 150.000 VND and 250.000 VND (including room) depending on what the girl looks, the time and what she’s in for… of course little viet knowledge can help. If she still ask for more, just leave and she’ll call you back. I’ve never had troubles but never go with to much money or drunk (just take necessary cash, no jewels, no camera, …). I’ve had all kind of services from crap to real good FS, usually no or few BJ but very tight pussy. Try to avoid girls that shows mark of mistreatment or drug use and always wear protection.
Here are some streets (not sure of spelling):
• Nguyen Chi Thanh the part where double avenue between nguyen tri phoung and vinataba industry, tran nhan ton (nightspot lot of girls, sometimes in afternoon), border of district 5.
• Le Duan, the part near the zoo after (mainly in the afternoon always 1-2 girls turning, sometimes In evening, little more expensive near sofitel) District 1
• Haong van thu between nguyen van troi and tran huy lieu (nightspot 4-5 girls) District tan binh
• Nguyen thi minh khai near college Le quy don (lot of girls there) border district 1
All these places move according police crackdowns but usually the girls stays in the same area (walking distance).
Someinfo’s on Barbershop’s, well known hot toc’s. They all offer (to my knowledge) BJ but nothing more (if more inform please).
Couple of them are on dien bien phu after the bridge on the right when leaving Saigon. Mostly prices are 70.000 paid to mamas an + tip (range from 30.000 to 100.000) The girls always ask for more asking for 10 dollars but leaving without paying will get you the price down. I Always try to agree before although it’s not that easy!
Try also on the very beginning of Quoc Lo 13 district thanh binh you have on the right one of my fave it’s called xuan something (already referred in this board earlier by Dirty D.) you pay 100.000 VND for very good BJ and no hassle although the good girls are leaving.
Did someone has info on hot toc on le lai street in front of pham ngu lao (prices, service, …) never tried those ones. I’ve also seen 2 with apparently good looking girls on very beginning of Pasteur after crossing ham ngi street (not sure but it’s in the area).
Also looking for info on bia om’s on restaurant om’s where I’ve few info’s and not reliable.
I would also been interested in some more location of barbershops or brothels.
If you need some more detail just ask or drop me a mail.
Virgin
Here’s some info on the street scene in HCM.
Lot of spot’s, mainly girls riding motorbike, sometimes with pimps waiting for people to stop. Those places are not foreign oriented but cater to locals so let’s not ruin the market.
Price is often depending of timing, if late night price can be really cheap comparing to early evening. Mainly I usually go between 150.000 VND and 250.000 VND (including room) depending on what the girl looks, the time and what she’s in for… of course little viet knowledge can help. If she still ask for more, just leave and she’ll call you back. I’ve never had troubles but never go with to much money or drunk (just take necessary cash, no jewels, no camera, …). I’ve had all kind of services from crap to real good FS, usually no or few BJ but very tight pussy. Try to avoid girls that shows mark of mistreatment or drug use and always wear protection.
Here are some streets (not sure of spelling):
-Nguyen Chi Thanh the part where double avenue between nguyen tri phoung and vinataba industry, tran nhan ton (nightspot lot of girls, sometimes in afternoon), border of district 5.
-Le Duan, the part near the zoo after (mainly in the afternoon always 1-2 girls turning, sometimes In evening, little more expensive near sofitel) District 1
-Haong van thu between nguyen van troi and tran huy lieu (nightspot 4-5 girls) District tan binh
-Nguyen thi minh khai near college Le quy don (lot of girls there) border district 1
All these places move according police crackdowns but usually the girls stays in the same area (walking distance).
Someinfo’s on Barbershop’s, well known hot toc’s. They all offer (to my knowledge) BJ but nothing more (if more inform please).
Couple of them are on dien bien phu after the bridge on the right when leaving Saigon. Mostly prices are 70.000 paid to mamas an + tip (range from 30.000 to 100.000) The girls always ask for more asking for 10 dollars but leaving without paying will get you the price down. I Always try to agree before although it’s not that easy!
Try also on the very beginning of Quoc Lo 13 district thanh binh you have on the right one of my fave it’s called xuan something (already referred in this board earlier by Dirty D.) you pay 100.000 VND for very good BJ and no hassle although the good girls are leaving.
Did someone has info on hot toc on le lai street in front of pham ngu lao (prices, service, …) never tried those ones. I’ve also seen 2 with apparently good looking girls on very beginning of Pasteur after crossing ham ngi street (not sure but it’s in the area).
Also looking for info on bia om’s on restaurant om’s where I’ve few info’s and not reliable.
I would also been interested in some more location of barbershops or brothels.
If you need some more detail just ask or drop me a mail.
Virgin
This is excellent info Virgin. I wish I knew this when I was in HCMC. I spent most of my time in District 1 and only met 1 motorbike girl but we never talked about price as I had an appointment. Do the girls on motorbikes serve Westerners or people who don't speak Vietnamese?
[QUOTE]Do the girls on motorbikes serve Westerners or people who don't speak Vietnamese? [/i][/QUOTE]It depends of your skills of communication; having a pen and paper might help. My vietnamese is really poor but at least I understand numbers... Think it's not to difficult to make it. And of course they cater to Westerners (maybe few would refuse, why? I don't know) because by paying 200.000 VND you're at least 2x higher than local... I heard (and saw few action) about blowjobs in parc in front of reunification for 30.000 VND!!!
Sorry for multiple post
Virgin
re: Erik's comment on a woman who seemed 32 and had at least one kid.
My general experience is that women who have a kid back home are much more aggressive in trying to get all the money they can from you. Even if the service they gave was not the service that was agreed to.
I'm leaving for sgn in a week. How is the scene in Ho Chi Minh City? I heard about a club called Heat, it is suppose to be the best right now. Does any one know a good massage place in district one or any karaoke bars with really good looking girls (bear om)? I've been to Vietnam before and the I know you can basically pick up any girl you see, but I don't have time and don't want a relationship.
Any help would be appreciated, Thanks.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 2fast4u
[i]I'm leaving for sgn in a week.[i][quote]2fast4u..email me and let me know date u r coming in..I am heading there in few days we might be able to hook up..
email: kp6022@attbi.com
Hey, warriorxxx,
I'll email you and we can hook up somewhere. If you don't mind me asking, what nationality are you?
Since I'm here let me put up a post.
The last time I was there in 2002, the price for a girl in the club was 700,000 (us45dollars) st (2-3 hours). Service was good no rush and willing to please. I met 2 American guys there who cheated two girls. After they did the deed they refused to pay saying that they thought it was free. They were black and hispanic. When guys do this they make us all look bad. Those guys brag about how they will stay at the Rex Hotel and how much money they have and then cheat girls out of 45 bucks. They look like crap with the baggie pants and long t-shirts so I could tell they were cheap.
I went to a massage place in district one (a taxi took me) 300,000 for a bj. Cute girl 7 out 10 and you will have to pay the place 50,000 for the massage. I don't remember the name or address but this time I will take a business card to post the address.
I'll email you and we can hook up somewhere. If you don't mind me asking, what nationality are you?
2fast4u..I just checked email but do not see your mail. Can you resend and check email address again kp6022@attbi.com or if you can post your email here, I will sent you one.
I am leaving on 04/09..and arrive on 04/11...I had not booked any hotel yet but was thingking to stay at Evergreen or Metropole hotel. Where r u staying?
Can anyone tell me what Ho Chi Minh City is like now? Are there still a lot of tourists? Are the clubs still full? Has the price gone down? Are the streets still busy at night or is everything empty due to SARS.
yawning around here...zzzzzzzzzzzzz
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HELLO VIRGIN.....
You say in your post below to email you if we have any questions -- how can I do that?
Also if MEATY or DIRTY D are reading, I'd like to email to you as well, again to just ask some questions.
I'm in Saigon now for about one week and need to try some other spots than where I have gone so far.
If you want to keep your email address off this forum, my email is wenchapman@yahoo.com
I hope to hear from you!
From VN
Here are few things I have seen in HCM so far and thanks to all contributors in this forum.
AN: is still there and alive. There are alot of people from Mon to Sun and quality are 6 to 7. I do not think price change that much and I can not find any good looking one for less than 35. It opened till 2AM..amazing place.
Club 777: first and second floor. few good looking one but you need to speak the language here. I also saw few of them from AN here as well. One day I drank with the manager here and his name is Hoan and one of his niece is a cashier at the bar on second floor. If you get friendly to the bar tender and buy him a drink, then you can get inside info from him. However, watch out for a "colour" guy, who is a partner of this club and he is not a straight guy. You had been warned.
Liquid on Hai ba trung is the same some goog looking one there as well but I see local mostly only few foreigner here.
Spaceship: DEAD!! I walked in there and I counted there 6 total. Included me for a Thursday night. The owner is on trial rightnow so I think it will be close down sooner or later.
Club Number 1 on Le Qui Don is also a good place to hang out and you might be able to pick up if you sit on the bar on higher floor. I also found out that you can buy drinks to all the bar tender and you never know, you might get a lucky one. again, you need to speak the language or know someone can come along with you.
Karaoke at amara hotel on Le van si: expensive, 50 on average BUT quality is super and if you wait for the nest day and ask them to go out with you. They can take time off the nextday and have a good time.
I had alot of their mobile number and do not know which one to choose...LOL..
I also hire a local driver to go to Vungtau and boy I tell you I got married too many times there and I can not even keep track of it.
if you need info on local driver, locations and other info in Vungtau, then you can email me at kp6022@attbi.com.
However, he can not speak english but I will try my best to make arrangment for you via note or letter.
I will be here for few more days to check out other but I am not sure if I do because I had all mobile number that I can use.
OK..untill next time. Happy hunting.
This post is from Kurupa posted in Singapore-Asian web site.
HoChiMinh/Saigon info compilation/updates
I have compiled all these info from this website. Is there any changes or updates to the info on Vietnam with Saigon in particular???
Here goes:
should try out Catwalk. It's something like a niteclub except the girls will only go back with u if they like u. Kind of fun as if u are trying to pick someone up. It's abt US$100 or 1,000,000 dongs(indecent proposal). Gd Luck
Catwalk is at New World Hotel. You can't miss it. But it is an expensive place. Go with someone, don't go alone, and take a cab to Gossip or Monaco. These are discos where there are plenty of girls. They will approach you to take them back.
Below are a few bars where you will find some action
GREENFIELD, 20 Mac Thi Buoi, next door to the Hard Rock.
Ladydrink VND50,000 (girl gets 5,000 per drink commission)
Customer must buy (or pay equivalent) of seven drinks to take girl out.
(So girl gets VND35,000 and bar gets VND215,000)
CHILI PEPPER, half block up Dong Du from the BS
Vung Tau is where all the massage parlors are if thats you thing
DANCE CLUBS
In general, there is a door charge of $5-10. A dancing partner is available for about 200,000-VND/hour. These are beautiful girls, aged 18-25, in elegant cocktail dresses, Chinese split dresses, or Vietnamese ao dai. Tips are expected (200,000-VND about average). These clubs feature live singers and traditional (Vietnam-style) ballroom dancing. Rumba, tango, bebop, cha cha, slow, etc. If you don’t know the dance step, fake it with any American step you feel comfortable with. The girls are excellent followers. Nearly all the clubs feature disco type dancing during the breaks.
Liberty (Tu Do)
80 Dong Khoi
Q.1
Saigon
829-9820
Small but friendly. Relatively good selection of girls.
Rex Hotel
Le Loi Street (I don’t know the address, but this is a famous hotel, any taxi will know it.)Large room, girls dressed in plain colored ao dai, the Vietnamese long dress. Good music. Conservative atmosphere.
Maxim
Dong Khoi Street, next to the Majestic Hotel.
This is a favorite of returning Vietnamese tourists, who say it is the best of the lot. Elegant, stunning ladies, pricey.
DISCOS
These clubs all have small entrance fees ($5-10). They are full of House Pros, freelancers, and amateurs. Eye contact and a smile will bring them over to you if they are interested.
Gossip Disco--Hotel Mercury
Tran Hung Dao Street
Q.1
Saigon
Who: Disco
This is my personal favorite pick-up place. There’s usually a large number of ladies here, many of them very beautiful. They used to have good music from a Filipino band, but currently it’s only recorded disco music. There’s a mini hotel within a short walk: Thanh Thao hotel.
Medusa Club
At the end of the long alley beside the Amara hotel.
323 Le Van Sy
Q.3
Saigon
Work: 848-843-9999
Who: Disco, Karaoke
Very upscale, but reasonably priced. More than 80 beautiful girls for singing, dancing, cuddling. Couch seating around a dance floor downstairs. Karaoke upstairs. This is a favorite of the Koreans, but most of them have gone back to Korea. Ask the mamasan for someone who can speak English. Many, but not all, will go to a hotel with you.
BARS
Ni Ni Bar.
74 Hai Ba Trung
Saigon
Hostess Bar. Here, the girls are down and dirty. You can get FS upstairs for $30 total.
Stephanie's (Cafe Dep)
Work: 825-8471
14 Thai Van Lung Street
a Le Thanh Ton
Saigon
Aggressive hostess bar, but the girls are usually stunners. They will really hustle you for drinks, so you need to keep your wits about you. You can take girls out of here, but there is sometimes a bar fine. Better to discreetly make an appointment for later, or for a nooner the next day.
Sun - Moon Bar
Work: 848-824-4295
74-B Hai Ba Trung
Saigon
A bar downstairs and mediocre live music upstairs. Full of hookers.
The Monkey Bar (aks Huu Dien).
Ha Ba Trung, corner of Lam Son Square (one block uphill from Hien & Bob’s. AVOID this place unless you a very high tolerance level for being hustled for drinks. This place is packed with hostesses who want to drink up all your money except exactly what you’ll need to pay them and a hotel later. OK to stick your head inside, but be prepared to cut and run.
BARBER SHOP
Saigon Thao Beauty Shop
48 Ngo Duc Ke
Q. 1
As I promised, here's the trip for HCM...
Stayed at a jap hotel, legend hotel, tonnes of hot chicks every bloody where! checking out the jap chicks then viet chicks, too damn horny to think about work. right after check in, went over to their HC. the chicks are amazing, every girl can be described in one word "HOT"!
The girls, had nice sizeable tits (not huge, but big enough), smooth long legs (for asians), tightest butt ever (way tighter than any HC girls I ever felt), most importantly they have the cutest looks ever.
I didn't get to choose the girl, but at that point any of them is good. Saw a real pretty girl walk pass, but I ended up with a cute dimpled babe.
The massage was amazing (if I wasn't so damn horny), she gave me the full 1 hour work out, soothing every single tired muscle there was, I would have really fell asleep if not for my lil bro. As she started massaging me legs, she constantly touch my balls, and occasionally asking whether I like that (hell yeah!)
I kept replying yes, and finally she pop the question, actually she didn't really ask, she made me turn around and grabbed me dick! even though I was crazily horny, the cash issue always came first. I asked she answered 500,000... (what? for a FJ?) nope, not that lucky, only for HJ. I ended up bargaining the price down to 350,000 (still a bloody rip off). she let me feel her up, but I didn't get to see any crap... good HJ though, if that was any consolation.
gave her the money and told her I would come back (yeah right), and proceeded the day with work.
after several uninteresting HJ, the novelty was wearing off, and yes the chicks were hot, but I ain't a 12 yo anymore, need some serious fark! to get me off.... went out in search of more exciting places, and taxi's for once were not helpful, they only took me to places that privided BJ at best (and prices at 1,000,000! dumb asses)
Overall, my trip to Vietnam was just an experience, the country folks are poor, and earn only USD40-200 (depending on skill), however, due to all the rich dudes that work and tour vietnam, girls tend to think (you from overseas? you rich fella), and a strict communist country makes it difficult to find FJ. Nevertheless, if I have a chance to venture in HCM again, I will not give up, till I fark up! over and out
Try out this place:
Tiem Hai Toc Sao Mai
324/38 Bin Dupong Vt Tich
Tan Binh
Near the airport. I might get the address wrong as it is in Vietnamese so you may want to call this number 8112076.
The price is about GL price and the quality of gals are quite okay. It is a "barber shop" which provides everything e.g haircut, massage and even FXXX services. Just check with the manageress that you are recommended by friends and she will know what you want.
Field report if mission accomplised (no obligations)
Enjoy cheonging!!!
Do help me recollect something about this immigration hotel in town.
I was there and 2 ang Mo whom dare not leave the hotel for too long told me that along the street next to this hotel. There is a Barber shop with curtian and when they went in and sat on the barber chair, A lady was washing his hair, another 2 came in and pull up the curtain, one took out her boob and let him suck while another took out his cock and gave him a BBBJ. all for US5.
That was 10 years agao. I went around but could not find it. Is it still there??
For those interested in massage with that provide HJ try Saigon Star hotel. If i remember correctly, its located on the 3rd floor.
Massages cost - VND 120,000 (US$8)
Hj - Max. US$10 as tips
Believe it or not, there are "happy hours". Go between 10am - 1pm, you can either have a extended session for the same price or 2 gal massage for a standard session, no extra charges!! Of course, if you go for 2 gal, your tips will have to be multiplied by 2.
Gals - 85% above average. Had a session with a beautiful young gal (rated 7.5) with big big tits (34C).
By the way, you may request for 2 gals session even after happy hour, but cost slightly more.
Rooms are big and clean (basically a converted hotel room). Worth a try and massage are good and very affordable too.
cannot remember the name of the discos..but there are three quite prominent one in Vung Tau. There is one disco that is attached to the hotel. All you have to do is buy a drink in the disco, sit down and there are many gals with number tags dancing on the dance floor, take your time to take your pick, tell the mamasan, the gal will come over and you could buy her a drink, negotitaite with her the price (about USD60-80 dollars) for specials, tell her your room number and she will arrange the rest. You will then proceed to your room and wait for her to come. The gals are quite decent looking but not as pretty as HCM gals
That was two years ago but i do not know whether they still practice the same system or any place have changed..but anyway do not have too high an expectations in the hotel in Vung Tau. If I am not mistaken, the hotel is very near the beach.
For Hanoi, you can try the night club in Hanoi Hotel. But be careful when settling the bills, they have the habit to put in additional charges. Just check your bill and voice up for any discrepancy. You can get gals there, do not pay anything more than US$80 for overnight
Also, you may try Daewoo Hotel, they have a KTV there. IMHO, the gals quality are better than Hanoi Hotel.
Lastly, you may try your luck at Meritus hotel, there is a nightclub there by the name Exotica. But was under renovation when i was there 2 week ago.
Have fun....
Another one.
Have fun....
Some information for the male visitors to Saigon.
There are various types of services avail as I soon found out with the help of some pointers from this forum and vietnam fun. Here goes
1. Massage Parlours.
Like the ones in SG and MS, these operate in more or less the same way except that it is almost impossible to get a FJ or BJ. It appears that HJ are the max allowed and it's not cheap (max 200000 VND) Do not pay more and bargain down. Opening is always 500000 for foreigner so bargain! The massage is however a full 1 hour and very good. Service wise I think it is way above the ones in SG and MS and worth the money. You can feel the girl up but I can tell you that there's nothing to that I feel. The novelty will wear off quite fast. If you want BJ and maybe FJ, you can try Hot Toc/Barber shops.. ALL of them have specials and these take place at the back. For me however, I do not like these places (altho it's cheap) as I like a nice a/c place.
For massage parlours, try Vien Dong (USD6 for massage) , Saigon Prince (USD 15 for massage only). The first is cheaper but good. The other serves expats and is part of a 4 star hotel.
2. Kissing Bars
Swell place. You get touchy girls and you buy them lady drinks for 50000 VND and you pay a bar fine of 600000VND to take them out. No further money to be paid. The girl will normally know which minihotels are guest frenly and you pay for the night over. Costs about USD10-15. These bars may look dingy on the outside and in but trust me, it's alot of fun..
Try Sunshine or Greenfields next to Apocalypse Now.Overlook the lack of facilities and you'll like the place. Beats KTVs for me.
3. KTVs
Didn't try but heard its USD40-50 to take girl out. Dunno drink prices but ex. Try Medusa at Amara Hotel or VIP as recommended by brother
4. Discos
Not really a service but you can find lotsa freelance hanging ard Apocalypse Now and the bars around there... Where the farangs go, they'll be there. Higher end include Saigon Saigon (Caravelle Hotel) and Catwalk (New World Hotel). Didn't try these cuz I'm no big time spender. Just wanted to know the scene.
In my honest opinion, I think Vietnamese girls are very attractive for the following reasons. They are pretty, look innocent/demure and very very stubborn. The last one for me is attractive cuz it shows character (I sound stupid writing this). These girls are obliging and yet full of spunk. If I had my way, I'd settle in Vietnam or get an expat posting here. The ratio of females to males here is 2 to 1 so you go figure. And I heard that the local girls do not like viet men as much.. You figure what reason this is so...
So have fun dudes but please put your cap on. I'm scared shitless of AIDS and it's rife in Vietnam. I am actually pretty scared for myself
Hi Bro Darzee,
are you sure the club a The Daewoo is called IMHO? Is it not called Club Q?
Personally stayed a the Daewoo before and found it to be the most convenient compared to other 5-star hotels in town for companionship. Just head on down to the club and pay around US$ 12 for a drink and call up the girl you like. Following are standard where you can chat them up to check them out. Some do speak passable English and once I even had one who spoke Chinese although not very fluently. Once a price has been agreed - usually US$100 is sufficient for a night and multiple shots. You leave for your room while she will join you later.
I personally have tried 2 particular girls there, one of them for 4 times. Her BBBJ was very good and she allows for CIM. FJ was also excellent and very responsive. She allows multiple positions but draws the line on fingering and licking.
The other I had only 2 months ago. Unfortunately I was not a the Daewoo that time and the hotel where I stayed did not allow any overnight visits. We ended up at a local hotel and paid US$10 for an aircon room for the entire night. She was so turned on that after servicing her, she got on top of me and slipped me in raw even though she had prepared the raincoat in advance. By that time I was in 7th heaven and wshe rode me a good 10 minutes before she pulled me forward to her where at that precise point in time her contraction squeezed me from inside and I lost all control and shot my load deep inside her. Even after I had shot my full load she did not let go of me and we stayed holding each other for another 10 minutes - kissing and licking each other all over the neck, ears before my didi slipped out.
We spent the entire night in each other's arms and only woke up when my didi performed its customary morning flag raising ceremony. Seizing the opportunity I immediately slipped it into her **** even before she awoke completely. Before long I was again driving into her **** lustfully and again shot my complete load deep into her. We then showered together and she even dropped me back off a the hotel before kissing me goodbye.
All in all it costs me S$200 and an additional US$10 for the room. Needless to say I am looking forward to being back to look up this lady again. In my opinion she is really special with her GF treatment.
o for the bros heading up to this great city in the north, head on down to Club Q, or if disco/Karaoke is more your thing, then ehad on down to the Hotel Fortuna - ask any taxi driver and they will bring you there. It is absolutely safe, much safer than HCM City as the people there are more sincere and less likely to rip you off. We have been going there for 7 years and it has been a blast! Long live Uncle Ho!
Had a massage in one of the hotel in HCM and definitely no bj or fj, a hj was defitely in place at 200000, the girl was beautiful and most of them have BIG Boobs!!!!!!must be the diet.
anyway, had a few footmassage at one of the place and chat up the floor manager. she realised I was from Sing and even offered to take me around HCM, but she have to go back to home town. Call me anything, but I had a feeling that if the trip was on, sure can go further....and her boobs.....oh mine, why can't we have those here!!????
, braddars
been here 4 days, 3 nights and gonna go on home to singapore then brunei tomollo.
as I arrive in saigon on monday evening, and feeling kinda out of it, due to bumpy flight (love the vietnam stewardess, but hate the damn pilot).
any*****, so no action beside wrestling with my panadiene bottle.
tuesday - friggin hot day... finish up with business before lunch, and as I walked towards my hotel, passed a "MASSAGE" sign, kinda universal place for dirty business, so I thought, why the fark not? went on in, looks pretty dodgey (just the way I like it) and walked to the receptionist (old bagger). told her "dumbop" meaning massage, and she gave me a key.
waited for 2 mins, and a petite girl walked in. she smiled and I started to eye her down. can't be over 18, size wise, could give kylie minogue a run for her money, sizable tits (where the hell do they get those tits for a little girl like that?) anyway she proceeded to give me a good rub (oh yeah, I'm nude by now) and she was quick to get to the point, rubba dub di di. she kept feelin me hangin assets and kept gigglin. within 15 mins, the magik question came, actually more like magik hand signal came. I tried as usual (previous trips) to get a fark instead of the "I rather do it myself" HJ. no chance, best she could do was to suck me off. thought better than nothin, and she proceeded. MAN CAN THIS LITTLE GIRL SUCK!!! wasn't sure whether it was because I was so damn horny or if her tongue felt like it was a mile long!
so there she was, this innocent lookin ****, suckin me like her life depended on it, and boom, came right in her friggin mouth.
did I mention she was small in size? LOUDEST BLOODY SCREAM EVER!!! what? its only cum? heh heh, anyway I calmed her down, by using the universal problem solver, Money. gave her 250,000 for the suck, and another 100,000 for the "accident" heh heh, she was smiling before I left, little *****...
ah well, all in all not a bad exp, gotta run, tell you the rest tomollo, have to meet some hot chick.
Alright brudders,
First of all, we have to admit that this thread currently suck, and suck BAD. Let's try to work it up fellows!
Ok here is my contribute:
1. Plenty of action in HCM City, that's for sure, but I live about 1.5 hours away, so I have to make do with the resources that I have.
2. Living in Quan 13 (Binh Duong), the general place to go for some release will be Karoake's. sing very old chinese/english songs and play with very cute girls titties. Man these girls are hot (30% of the girls are hot, 50% are little above average and remaining are pretty DOGS)
3. the main problem in my area is that there is no FJ, unless some brudders can help me out.
4. The only thing we can do here is fish, and that takes time and lots of spending... JUST WANT MY BLOODY FJ!!!!
5. So fish this 18 yo slim with big boobs, for the last 7 days, had only 1 BJ, and plenty of Mahjong playing... just not satisfied, think I will go down to HCM for a couple "shots" and play the fishing game again.
My recommendation for Vietnam is always Apocalypse Now. It is crowded, and has some nice chicks. Not all are pretty, but as long as you can spare the money, the cute ones will come to you.
Another one. Damn this guy can type.
If i can remember correctly, when I was there, I paid something like US$30-$40 for a nice girl for an overnight session.
Otherwise, what works for me always is the bell-hop at the hotel. Slip him maybe US$1-2, and ask for recommendations. He'll be able to tell you.
The guy at the hotel I was staying recommended a place in chinatown, and it was happening man. Cute chicks dancing on the table, and around you - all fully dressed. But you can try to negotiate a price for them.
Thing is, from what i found out about Vietnam, if you are nice to them and smile at them, they will be nice to you. But if you are rude and arrogant, then they don't give a damn about you.
And always use rubber man. You don't know what you might come back with, from anywhere in the world. Even if the chick is a freelancer, you must use protection.
But enjoy, Vietnam is the place to go for chicks. Very beautiful and slim ones.
Ho Chi Minh City - short visit report
Well, stopped over in HCMC for a quick first ever visit just to see if its worth a longer visit for future for business first and pleasure after hours!
Business
Aside from HK and perhaps parts of China now, I have never ever felt the buzz of another city more than here. Partly, this is because of the incessant quantity of motorcycles whizzing pass you in the streets of the city during business hours!
Shops and the market looked lively so, the future potential for business here I gather can and will be huge! A market of more than 11 or is it 17 million people - must be huge!
Places I had time to check out.
Massages - did not try any as time was limited and I had other things to do in the day.
Was also not keen on expensive high class joints and that meant that I was limited to just "karaokes, bars" and "discos."
First night - was totally alone. Went out late at 9.30pm so headed straight for Apocalpyse now since it was highly recommended by most books, guides and the internet.
I was fully aware that this is The Place where most "caucasians" frequented so I was prepared for the kind of girls that they attract plus a lower grade overall as we Asians know (this is a fact).
Within the relatively large place, it was still quite empty when I arrived - about 20-30 girls in place so I found myself a really nice bar-stool next the dance floor and drank myself happy, slow and steady.
Right in front of me, two tall attractively dressed girls were already partying by themselves and I found one that made my COCK HARD there and then!
All my efforts at eye contact did not work out well but I did manage to get a reciprocating smile from the "other one" whom I did not find attractive. So, I just pointed to her friend but "nay" she was not interested. Found out why later. They had some guy (local) joining them about an hour later.
I was also held back from walking up to talk to them because I suspected that they could be "tranvestites" because they were kind of tall and big framed for locals! (actually they were very model-like) and my preference is for petite frames!
By 10.30 the place filled to capacity (both dance floors) plus the rear dining - sit down area and I truly enjoyed stopping each time and making smiles at whoever I wanted to flirt with each walking visit from my seat to the toilet.
A few of the more aggressive ladies approached me too and I finally settled for one round faced lady (very kampong look) with a little bit of "baby fat" showing between her halter top and low cut jeans! She danced very sexily and I was already imagining if she fucked like she danced. Also, no make up and I like them better without make up!
No, despite her many request for me to join her on the dance floor, I declined so she moved herself to my location next to the bar. we had a fantastic time rubbing each other up she dancing in front of me while I moved behind her rubbing myself hard on her bum and all! At the same time, my wandering hands confirmed that she had small but a handful of tits and SMOOTH - yes, perfectly smooth skin on her belly, above her belly and thereabouts.
Whenever it was available, I took the opportunity to chat with several others around us to make sure that she appreciated that it was her I wanted even though the options were plentiful.
By around 1.30 am, the authorities (yes they were there around the club and on the stage keeping a serious watchful eye on the goings-on) had instructed them to "shut down" and the dj dragged on playing due to the crowd's request for more. We managed to last until about 2.30am when we really had to leave as they had to close. The music is really good - the type that the caucasians like (me too) and I had a happy night.
We walked back to my nearby hotel and SHITS. the girls was not allowed to go up to my room. She suggested a small hotel nearby but I said NO. See you tomorrow, come over at 3pm.
Well, I was out all day and did pop back into the hotel at 3.10pm but no gal, so no FUCK!
Second Night, two of my friends arrived and joined me - their first night and my second.
I had spent most of the day wondering around the city WALKING till my feet hurt with blisters. It was a beautiful day especially when I encountered so many lovely beautiful ladies whizzing by either on their motorcycles or bicycles. The highlight of all was a lovely young lady in modern dress with a thigh high slit on her skirt cycling by me. With her cute hat and nice bare legs pumping away on her bicycle, I was prompted to want to photograph her and I turned to chase after her in the traffic. Alas, she was quicker than me in the clogged up streets and I never caught up!
SHITS!
By night, we proceeded to walk around and checked out the small bars near Apocalypse and finally settled for a small karaoke called Acura also along the same street as Apocalpyse.
We did walk into at least 3 bars but, the ladies were not our type! Probably the worst of the "white men's places"!
We had checked out a few other Karaokes but they were all family places with no ladies.
Acura we entered because we had spotted some ladies going in and there a few nice ones too. After checking out the charges (room US$20 per hour) plus the price of drinks - Tiger at US$3 per bottle (Chivas US$60), we decided to ask for the mamasan and Ms Lee turned out to be one of the nice ladies we had spotted going in too! she's about 26-68 but is still attractive in her own way and I vowed that I might want to FUCK her if it was going to be possible.
Because my friends did not speak chinese, nor vietnamese, we asked for english speak ladies and we were limited to just 6 ladies. The choice were not really out type so we just picked two of the best and asked Lee to send us one of the nice ladies we had spotted earlier and she came despite the fact that she only spoke vietnamese.
US$80 later, we checked out and "promised" to call back for the ladies if we wanted them for the night. the "calling price" overnight was US$70 before negotiations and I told Ms Lee, I would call her.
having had a good time at Apocalypse the previous night plus not having fucked my "darling" of the previous night, I looked forward to meeting her again and suggested we move to that place.
It was already 11.30pm and the place was packed. We moved to a nice corner spot next to one of the dance floors and bar and continued our party from the Karaoke. In no time, the lady of the previous night spotted me and came over bringing with her two of her friends. I immediately desired one of them too but I had unfinished business with "my lady". also spotted so many of the ladies that I had talked to the previous nights and sigh, if only I had time to check them out one by one!
By 1.45 am, we were quite high and tired and decided to bring two of them back with us, My gal and one of her friends. This second night, we had already worked out a strategy to check the ladies into one additional room and pay for it thus getting them into the hotel. My two friends shared one room so it was just 3 rooms for 3 people so no major additional costs.
The fuck - well, she was more the girl friend type and I HAD A GREAT FUCK!
Why, my preferences are a semi-wet fuck (call it mushy wet), different positions with 'lady on top", doggie, missionary and "legs in the air" and "legs on my shoulder" being my preferences! Blow Jobs - Not really my preference because I do not allow ladies to blow me bare (can't be too careful these days). With protection, most ladies do not enjoy the blow so I rather do things we both enjoy!
Funnily enough, I was in top form - the fuck in different position plus the 'slow missionary fuck" with cock sliding in from tip to the balls in a mush **** made the extra day's wait worthwhile! Normally, I would cum in a few strokes with any new lady I have never had especially given the extra day's wait!
Slept nicely in a cuddle and work her up 7am for a finale before rushing off to catch the early taxi to airport!
Return to fuck in HCM city? DEFINITELY when time and business permits! I will do more research next time ! This visit was too rushed and the priority entertainment zone was Phnom Penh where we were "partying" with our business colleagues from the conference!
Found a town called Binh Duong...
Man this place is filled with Karaokes and Massage joints! The girls are definitely not comparable to the girls found in Ho Chi Minh. But they much cheaper and some what cuter.
Went to a Disco called "Bar Binh Duong" kinda funny for a name, guess the owner didn't know much english, or just couldn't be farked. But on with da story.
Another one. All in same day. Damn.
Arrived around 10pm with a couple friends. Not much happening... music loud as ever, with almost 20 blokes and jack squat chicks. Discussed with me mates, and decided to bolt after 20mins or so. Just as the drinks we ordered arrive. (say 10.10pm or so), chicks started to pour in. And I literally mean pouring in.
By 10.30pm (obviously we could not leave now..) there was at least 30-40 chicks running around, trying to shake their thang. One particular girl caught my eyes (and several other hound dogs too). I made eye contact, and went straight up. Bought a drink and tried to chat her up.
Man Chatting Viet girls up must be one of the most difficult thing ever (CANNOT SPEAKA ENGALISH!). After 20mins of trying, though the girl was really friendly, I gave up. Went back to me mates, and asked a viet friend of mine to finish up the negotiation.
The girl (Loan her name is) came around and sat with us (well done Kung!) She drank a bit and started to hug me (not bad). Found out she is 18 going 19, and is looking for work (yeah right).
If not being so petite (not over 150cm), she has the looks and figure to be running for Miss Vietnam.
Let's see her stats should be around:
Chest: 30C (asian C not foreign)
Waist: 21 (max, that is one tiny waist)
Bottom:30 (ever notice viet girls have the smallest bottoms ever?)
Basically she is HOT! But so is the price as I later found out. She asked for VND500,000 (which is around USD35) pretty high for country girl, but pretty damn low for Saigon city standard. heh heh, cheap bastards we are.
Went ahead and took her to the hotel right outside. VND150,000 for the night. Man she is tight! Must have Farked her for 3-4 hours... man, I must have used at least 1/3 of kama sutra's instruction manual. She was one playful biatch! And she had those "developing tits" kindof tits... that is pretty horni stuff.
Any*****, total damge was VND650,000 for 3 shot, all night. Got her number (so will everyone else who had a go at her meat), ask me to call her again (another VND650,000 nonetheless). And I think I will... definitely a piece of tiny ass I'll go for again.
And to those that have been following me up. FINALLY GOT ME DAMN FJ!!!
in saigon, u can pick up gals 4 short time or over night service
in most disco. however, thru my personal experience, i dont
advise u 2 book a stranger 2 stay over night in ur hotel room.
there r 2 reasons 4 not doing tat.
#1- most of the working gals r attached wif bf. they can't
possible stay a nite wif u even though they charged u in full.
they will take u 4 a ride. they give all sort of nonsense excuses
after their service just 2 go home.
#2- they will do anything 2 make u broke while u r sound
sleeping. and, most of the time u can't find them back again
becos they r juz a freelance hooker which doesn't station in a
permanent place.
the two disco i can still remember 4 pick-up r metropolis and
a pub beside new world hotel. both r situated in district 1.
the standard charges 4 short-time is US$40-60 depend on the
quality of the gal u pick. but, if they know u r a outer space
alien, chances r they will open their lion mouth for US$100.
so, try 2 act as though u r an old timer and bargain ur way out.
beside disco, u could also get pick by gals on bike along the
street juz before midnite. most of tis gals will approach u by
asking u whether u want a massage in ur hotel. but be warned,
some r 'heshe'. so, remember 2 open ur eye and ear big big
b4 u grab one.
as 4 my personal experienced, i didn't book any hooker during
my 10 days trip in vn. i only frequent their massage parlour which
cost 100 k vnd (US$8) and hj by the massager which cost US$20.
the only fj i got along wif was a mamasan in one of the disco
which i cant remember the name. she can speak fluent manderin
and thus we started off smoothly. she invited me 2 buy her
supper and later her home. it was supposing free, but i tip her
500 thousand vnd. (nothing is free lah)
if u ask my opinion of vn, i would prefer indonesia than vn.
air-tickets and many expenses r also much cheaper 4 exploring
in indo.
anyway, good luck!
Further to request from brothers in"Brunei - Help" thread, here are some tips for Vietnam.
First port of call, if arriving at HCMC, should be the Saigon Bowl, which is just along the road from the Airport, seriously you could walk in 5 minutes. Upstairs near the bowling alley is a massage 'parlour' .. it's huge, recreation area is about the size of a hotel ballroom. The place is well appointed, very clean and cheap ... about S$10 for a 60 mins. massage. During the day there are not so many girls, evening is busier. Same arrangment as your average Sing HC. The girls are generally very pretty extremely obliging and about anything goes. Depends how good you are at negotiating or desperate you are. I often secured the services of Miss Thao .. slim, beautiful 19 y/o from Hanoi whom performs all services to a high standard .. cost - S$25 max for FJ.
More tomorrow.
Recommended places in HCMC - Black Jack.
Also visit Vung Tau website - www.vungtauvietnam.com for lots of info and more details on Vung Tau. I will give a lot more details in my next post.
2nd. Post.
First off .. HCMC .. most of the bigger hotels don't encourage 'friends' stopping over, they will either forbid you or charge you for an extra room. No problem, there are lots of good boutique hotels, small family hotels etc. S$40+ per night. Locate yourself near Dong Khoi (Road). In this same area lots of bars, varying from types where expats go (Underground, Saigon Saigon etc.) to girlie type bars .. have a walk around there are plenty.
Apocolypse Now (Club) is not all its cracked up to be ... but there are a few dodgy bars in the immediate vicinity.
Clubs (such as Catwalk) which are attached to hotels are worth a visit, but tend to be more expensive. Take aways nearer S$150-200 all night.
The scene moves all the time in HCMC, it is a huge place and there are many fantastic girls there. Black Jack is the current fave with those in the know.
If going to Vung Tau (worth a visit, lots of beaches, clean air, less humid than HCMC). Lots of Hotels to cater for all pockets (ORange Court, Royal, Rex, Palace are at the upper end .. max S$80 per night). Bars worth visiting .. Sweethearts (ask for Miss Me), Hot Gossip (Miss Thao), Summer Wine, Tequilia Sunrise , VFB .. buy the girls a drink (S$7 max.) and state your intent and voila. S$50 max for the night. Generally not a problem getting them into the hotel.
Clubs in Vung Tau - Hollywood East, Blue Sky, good chance of hooking up a freebie, also e's and smoke available.
Various - massage parlours all over. Recommended - Palace Hotel S$10 for massage, extras S$40 max for FJ. KTV lounges .. best bet - VIP. Very upmarket, girls are all models, S$80 for short time, drinks are Singapore price. 'No hands' Restaurant .. as the name implies you don't do a thing, you get fed and blown by delectables.
Nha Trang and Dalat next post
Only did a weekend in Phnom Phen so didn't really have enough time to check it out in full. Basically the place itself is a lot smaller than HCMC (no comparison really) so the choice is not so great. There were some beautiful Laotians that I happened upon .. and yes cheaper than Vietnam. I was nutted the whole weekend so I can't remember a great deal, names of places, streets etc.
Maybe check out Gary Glitter's website .. he should have the lowdown on young things in Cambodia having just been thrown out of there for young action.
Bro, when going to Cambodia you should first visit Holiday Disco. Pick-up range btwn US40-50 /nite. However, if you prefer to chose the younger ones, get a local to bring you to the Vietnam Village. There, it should set you back US30-40/nite
Hotels there are henerally cheaper that HCMC and without the red tapes imposed in HCMC.
Hi bro,
It's really not cheap to cheong in HCMC. But when I wuz there, I do enjoy the food, local and Chinese, yum yum yum...
First, check with the hotel you are staying if you can bring guest back to the room in the night, some "Guest-friendly" hotel allow by paying US$10 extra.
Here are some places you may need to try:
Cadillac Bar - District 1
It's a pub with life band, local & Philippino, nice environment
Underground - District 1
Pub with dance floor, play some old 70's music. Serve dinner as well
Apocalypse Now - District 1
The top pub in HCMC, basically a meat market.
Metropolis Disco - District ?? (can't remember)
A large disco with a lot of local chick around. Cover charge applied to local only.
For food, I would recommend:
ABC - District 1
Operate by a Hongkie boss, nice "Wan-Ton" Noodle and Beef Noodle.
Phung Vy - District 10 (China Town)
Good seafood at affordable price, really good, trust me!!
Most hotel in HCMC does have Health Centre, but, they don't have f**k service, just HJ and BJ, HJ cost around US$12 on top of the massage fee, for a full 1 hour massage session is around US$10.
Watch out for some girls on bike, some of them are "ah-kuah", they will approach you and ask you for a massage session, some really chun one which you can try to neg with them, per session is around US$150 onwards, not cheap!!
Memory a bit faded after my previous visit to HCMC last year.
ok, i went and came back.
The posts by enjoyguy may have been interesting 2-3 years ago. A lot of places mentioned are closed: Greenfields, Blackjacks (never a fave for those in the know).
I highly recommend U2 on Mac Thi Buoi, not too much hassle for lady drinks. FS available upstairs for VND 300,000 or a BJ in back VND 100.000.
Also, anyone who pays those prices at MP is paying way over the odds. HJ tip VND 100-120,000. In Vung Tau FS is VND 200,000 at almost any MP.
I regularly attend a Hot Toc (Barber Shop) near the Eastern Bus Station in Binh Thanh for VND 70,000 get a massage, shampoo and a BJ/HJ - No tip asked for.
Freelancers should be VND 500,000 max. Pham Ngu Lao area VND 300-400,000.
To any one who knows about the brothel in Phu Nhuan district, the one near the Bitis shoe store.
Is it the place RIGHT NEXT DOOR to the shoe store? Because that storefront is just up the street from where I am now, and the gate is OPEN and it's got a big bright Hot Toc sign above the storefront now -- lights are on and frosted glass blocks my view of who's sitting inside, but what I'm seeing now doesn't sound enough like the description I read on this forum that I think it's the same place, so I'm hesitating to go in. It maybe that it is the same place and it's changed now.
Any more info on this place, or a positive ID?
THANKS
I agree on U2. I think this is the best of the kissing bars in District One. I had a very good time there.
enjoyguy....excellent posts, really useful stuff, tried the vnladies and vietdate sites, thought they smelt like a ripoff, the pictures of the girls look toooo good and they charge you 10US$ just to send an e-mail to them! bring in mind you would maybe need to contact 15 to get maybe 6 or 7 hits it starts to be expensive considering you can quite easily do the same thing in person on arrival!
I'm over in Tan Binh at the mo, lots of Hot Toc's but not confident on the services, they appear tooo discreet. Can anyone recomend a good place around here, massage/sauna or whatever, preferably offering BJ and FS but still interested if only HJ.
Wendella.....Apologies for not coming back to the board sooner, my e-mail is meatywsg@hotmail.com if you need to e-mail, but i am a definite newby to Saigon and am not sure what info i could give but happy to try and help. The place in Phu Nhuan sounds interesting, can anyone help Wendella or i with more address details, and prices, services etc. Hey Wendella (and anyone else), i'm in Saigon now, if you fancy a hook up and we can check it out together. I'm on a tight budget but that doesnt mean we can't have fun right! although i'm a newbie here i work mostly in Bangkok so am not green to the wishes and intents of most of the girls, so its just all out fun if your up for it.
Virgin...you've posted some great stuff, any in my area, Tan Binh?
The sooner the response come the sooner the reports can be filed!!
hey just to update things - -that phu nhuan place is finito. it's a legitimate hot toc now. went there the other night to check it out, then later talked to the guy who posted the info originally. it's finished. no mas.
well meaty and i are now in touch (sort of)... so virgin and vietkieu were the two others i'd hoped to track down....
well....
not much more to add right now.
a few of the discos mentioned earlier are no longer, too:
* blue burned down in that big fire of course
* speed shut down
* spaceship and metropolis plus one other i think were involved with the infamous nam cam(sp?) who's on trial for everything but [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] his mother right now, so those are all either finished or as close to finished as a disco can get and still be open.
i heard of another one called olympic(?), plus one more that i'll need to recheck the name on. it's suppossed to be good.
Dear brudders,
Having been here for a week oledi after gaining valuable 'cheong' insights from the net, and living each nite to the max, now it's time I give back I think!
So if there is anyone here in Saigon, do email me at hentaitic@hotmail.com or reply to the thread here. I check my mail and surf from my hotel everyday.
Just FYI, for instance, from the hottest dance club in Saigan rite now, Club777, I have befriended a group of 6-7 Vietnamese FL gals. I promised them that I would be introducing my fellow Msian/Sporeans/Asians to them, if you guys are here in Saigon. One of them speaks Chinese and like speaking Mandarin to me. So far I have not tried any of them, as they are more like friends now.
As for me, I cheong in Vung Tao, and with the help of my local guide there, just last weekend, I booked a gal for 24hours for just US$50. Not overnite, really 24 hours! From 9am to 9am the next day! My knee still weak from the 5 times!!! Very GFE! Gal just 18 year old, I feel guilty I told her, I was just 23. (actual 29!!!)
Also a tip for you guys, get a local guy to buy the ferry ticket from Saigon to Vung Tao for you, just about US$5/one way against US$10/one way if we were to buy it yourself. We look Vietnamese so no problem!!!
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Wendella
[i]HELLO VIRGIN.....
You say in your post below to email you if we have any questions -- how can I do that?
Also if MEATY or DIRTY D are reading, I'd like to email to you as well, again to just ask some questions.
I'm in Saigon now for about one week and need to try some other spots than where I have gone so far.
If you want to keep your email address off this forum, my email is wenchapman@yahoo.com
I hope to hear from you! [/i][/QUOTE]Hi Wendella,
Just came back from 1 month holiday. Yesterday went 5 min on motorbike, saw some streetgals on Nguyen Thi Minh Kai, but not much (round the palace garden).
Concerning dirty d, think he went back to US.
Concerning the brothel that dirty d refered to I've tried a couple of month ago but think it went down, actually my vn language skills did not allow me to be sure if it was cancelled. I think it's the blue door between the store and the hot toc place (need to ring) but no chance to me. Anyway I tried the hot toc where there are a number of good gals (you can get mostly hj or bj depending on how your cheating but mostly more expensive than other barbershops, massage only 40.000vnd/hour but tipping about 100.000 for hj, I could not get lower)
Expecting news from you.
Virgin
Hi All,
I'm mainly looking for daytime places to enjoy some short FJ with good service gal's. Mainly places I know are hot-toc for that but only some BJ, can anyone advice me (maybe in pham ngu lao).
Did anyone tried the new hot toc on le lai (opposite of pham ngu lao).
Thanks, I will come back with some new infos soon.
Virgin
About massage place.
I used to go to a hotel located on Nguyen Duy Duong in cholon that caters only to locals... a huge reserve of gals.
They have sauna, jacuzzi, etc... while drinking a beer a few grils will by curiousity pas through the jacuzzi and I used to choose them their altough their used to be a dedicated girl. Those girl are up to hj even sometimes bj put yout can easily date them after work and then the fun begins. I even had one for free...
See ya
Virgin
After the police visited last Fri, the 9th May, Club 777 is now, officially close for about 2 weeks, from what the bouncers told me.
Some kind of violation I think. Now all the gals have streamed across to Apocalypse Now.
Time for me to get to know AN then!
Ooops wendella, I forgot to mention my e-mail : [deleted by admin]
See ya
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If you guy can read vietnamese then go here. I found this artical dated today 5-14-03 about raids of clubs in saigon.
http://vnexpress.net/Vietnam/Xa-hoi/2003/05/3B9C7BEA/
sumary:
Places were closed:
club 777, Mececa , MTV, cafe Bodega, Reason are: violation of noise, and light policy. Also violation of selling alcohol above 30degree, no license for selling of cigarete and playing of illegal music, etc... no mention of prostitution violation.
They aslo say that VC cops will surprise raid of all bars, clubs and karaoke places weekly now. I guess they really want to clean up for the upcomming seagams. Any good places left that haven't been raid yet?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Me Gai
[i]If you guy can read vietnamese then go here. I found this artical dated today 5-14-03 about raids of clubs in saigon.
http://vnexpress.net/Vietnam/Xa-hoi/2003/05/3B9C7BEA/
They aslo say that VC cops will surprise raid of all bars, clubs and karaoke places weekly now. I guess they really want to clean up for the upcomming seagams. Any good places left that haven't been raid yet? [/i][/QUOTE]
Hey there, hope that u dun mind I quote you in my posting at http://forum.********.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=236666#post236666
Great that u understand Vietnamese. So in yr knowledge, where have the crowds gone to now? Heat Disco? Apocalypse Now?
In spite of the bad news of closures, got good news for you guys today. Last nite, I met a Vietnamese guy at so fluent in Japanese tht he could easily be mistaken for a Jap.
Turn out to be that he's a guide for visiting Japanese hentai guys! According to him, the Japanese's fav place in Saigon is actually a hotel, karaoke which houses fishbowl gals!!! So I went and see. Unbelievable. Imagine a fishbowl concept in communist Vietnam also. About 20 -30 gals to select from in the fishbowl.
But the cost are high, about 60 -80USD an hour and about 90- 100USD overnite (inclusive of gal, room).
I promised him that I would promote his services on the net. So here goes.
Name: Duong Hung Thang
Tel: 090 3367827
Email: duonghungthang@hotmail.com
he speaks english, Jap, and of course vietnamese. If you are in need of a hotel that would allow 'guests' he will also be able to source one for you. No nonsense of having to book two rooms stuff.
And a correction from him about my info at the guest friendly hotel, Hai Long 1 hotel , there is no need to book 2 rooms too.
Tonite I found a club/disco where there actually pole dancing. Well the pole do not go all the way to the ceiling! Funny sight!
It is located at Saigon's little Japan, so called because there are so many Japanese restaurant along this street, the Le Thanh Ton!
The Club is called "Cau Lac Bo So" along the street towards Tan Van Lung Street! But still amazing there's pole dancing cause Saigon is still technically communist!
Please help me correct any mis infomation here:
Vung Tau FAQ (14 May 2003 Ver)
1. Cost of fastferry
Adult Vietnamese: 80,000 D
Adult Foreigner : 145,000 D
2. Timings (HCMC to VT), (VT to HCMC also)
Petro + Greenline express : 0615, 0800, 1000, 1200, 1400, 1600, 1645 hrs
Vina Express : 0600, 0730, 0830, 1130, 1330, 1430, 1630 hrs
Personal fav: Greenline cos the on board waitresses wear the irresistable semi-translucent body hugging Ao Dais!
3. Hotels with "Boom Boom" MP (FJ: 20USD tips)
Palace Hotel: (84.64) 856 411
Maritime Safety Hotel
4. Hotels with Good "Non Boom Boom" MP (80,000 D / hour)
Cap Saint Jacques Hotel (84.64) 807 068 at "Bai Sau" or Back Beach!
5. Guest friendly hotels (NO need to book extra room for gal)
My Hoa (USD 15) DT: (84.64) 854 081
6.Guest Friendly hotels (BUT gotta book extra room for gal, so please ask first)
Holiday Mansion Hotel (USD 15) DT: (84.64) 856 169
7. Discos with FL gals
Hollywood East
Blue Sky (Grand Hotel)
Club7 (Vung Tau P&T Hotel)
VIP Club (2nd Floor- Gals with Number Tag, just choose one and Go!!!)
8. My English speaking Vung Tao guru and guide: (also rented his bike for 24hours for USD 6)
Mr Tien : 090 821 7843
Only he could show you the way to the Karaoke where I got my 24hour booking for just USD 50. I really can't remember the way to the karaoke. ( Actually, I am just promoting his services, he he he!)
OK now,
Sme good info in recent days especially from Hentaitic (but what was the Japanese hotel you were talking about? You can't describe a place like that and then keep its identity a secret!)
If not I guess I can do so here, but that may take a long time with the 2 day delay thing.
If you give me a better idea of location of that hot toc may be able to help you out on that. Le Lai is long. What's it next to?
Thanks
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Wendella
[i]OK now,
Sme good info in recent days especially from Hentaitic (but what was the Japanese hotel you were talking about? You can't describe a place like that and then keep its identity a secret!)
[/i][/QUOTE]
Why not you contact the "duonghungthang" guy like I have mentioned? Since he is the originator, why not give him the credit to show you the place?
Tonight he showed me another place where there are GROs who'll stripdance while we enjoyed our beers. Touch and caress no problem. But one caveat though, guests have to order a cart of beer, that is 24 bottles of beer at one go at about 28,000 D per bottle.
This place is somewhere in Thanh Bihn district.
Hentaitic, you are the man !!!
I'm not in Vietnam yet, but i'm leaving the US for VN soon. So, I don't know what the scene in saigon now. I'll be there about june 29. Can you describe about the fishbowl gals more. Are those gals just for Karaoke companions purpose or that's a brothel and the girl go back to your place for boom boom???
Any suggestion about nice cheap hotels in Vietnam? I don't really need a guess friendly since I go with another friend. So if I want action, my girl and I have to get another room for us any way. I just need a cheap and always have room available. I'm thinking about staying at Duna hotels. Any other suggestions??
TO VIRGIN:
Your posts earlier in this forum mention that we should email you for more information. But there is no email given for us to do that. I would like to.
I think my email address was edited out of my last posting here (I presume by the moderator, though it's possibel IE ate it) as well as my request for you to please email me. My email address IS still up on this forum, down a ways from here....
I've spoken with a few others here offline (Meaty, Warriorxxx, Dirty D) with little trouble.
VietKieu is another guy I was hoping to contact.
Thanks
WC
[blue]The purpose of the WSG Forum is to provide a public place for the exchange of information for men who are looking for sex with women. Unfortunately, there has been a recent escalation in the number of new members whose only contribution to the Forum have been requests for information to be "backchanneled" to them via their email address. Obviously, this does nothing to enhance the value of the Forum's collective database.
Therefore, following the policies of other Forums, I have decided that Regular Members may not post email or website addresses in their reports. Any reports from Regular Members containing email or website addresses will be edited. Subsequence reports will be deleted in their entirety.
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Thanks,
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Hentaitic,
Well, it's because the idea here is that we come here to share information... freely. One of the main reasons is so we're not at the mercy of taxi drivers who will charge us for that same info---when they drive up prices by taking a commission for each customer that they deliver to a certain establishment, which gets added to that customer's bill. I've often been hit with DOUBLED prices that way. (You probably were charged too, but probably---hopefully---for much less than double. Though I will say that the prices you quote sound pretty far out of line in the high direction.)
Now your guy probably is wonderful, or you wouldn't be so willing to help him out by advertising his services here. That's cool. If I want to use him, I have his phone number now and it's no problem to get in touch with him.
If you still want to share the info, that's cool. I would really appreciate it if you did. If not, fair enough. As they say here, up to you.
Wendella
Just as the Khao San Rd Backpacker's areas in Metro Bangkok's getting hipper with the local Thai clubbers, so too is the Pham Ngu Lao backpacker's area in Saigon. Went to book a busticket to Dalat on for the weekend, from the many tourist agencies in the area. Only USD5 all the way to Dalat.
Before I left, remembered my FL friends mentioning something about "The Heat Club" along the Pham Ngu Lao street. So went to check it out. True enough, much eyecandies as it is packed to the max!!! Also bumped into my FL friends over there. Seems like with the closure of Club 777, their interest have shifted to the club. Good news for brudders putting up at the New World Hotel as this club is just about 5 min walk away. And many many gal friendly hotels in the vicinity. Very convenient indeed!!! Now the bad news, heard that the going rate is USD50 and USD80 overnite. OUCH!!!
Personally I don't quite like Apocalypse Now as it is a bit like Orchard Tower Singapore, probably 100% FLs gal only. In places like Club 777 and Club Heat, it is a mix, with regular clubbing gals and also FL gals.
As for MeeRung/Shark/Rainforest and Liquid disco, they are still open but quite dead actually.
That's all the clubs I have been to recently. As always, if there's any misinformation please post a correction here.
Well, apologies first and foremost. Today no great stuff to share. Blame it on the weather and Lonely Planet.
You see, I stole time off work today to sneak to the Saigon Water World, all ready with my waterproof camera to snap some bikini Vietnamese babes. But when I reached there at 4pm, they told me that the place would be closed at 5pm. I showed them the Lonely Planet in which it is written, Mon - Sat open from 11am to 7pm, Sunday 8am to 8pm. Will somebody update Lonely Planet of the times please!!!
Spent USD4 to get all the way there, for nothing. Luckily there's a shuttle bus back, for only 5000 D which would drop us at Ben Thanh Market. Somebody please explain why is Ben Thanh market closed so early, at 6pm? When I got there at 5pm, they are about to pack up. Found a vietnamese springroll stall with 3 cute gals, and sat behind the glass counter. Wow, a good downblouse of all 3 gals for a good 15mins as they were clearing up their stall. Can see all the way to their belly button!!! All because I can look thru the glass counter! He He He!!!
Damn, I am a hopeless opportunist!!!
I wish that the Ben Thanh Market could open all the way around the clock just as it is in Thailand Flower Market cos there are some cute gals that we can 'sian'. At 6pm close, that's rediculous!!!
Going Dalat tomorrow. Anyone has any good info to share of this place?
Hi fellas,
I'm going to be an expat in Saigon due to my job in a few month. I'd like to know where and how to find an house for renting (it's better in downtown or residence or suburbs ?) and rates for a 100-square-meters. Do you know any agency ?
Thanks
Leo
Gundam
email me at thunhon@attbi.com and let me know what price range and where about. Maybe I will be able to help you out.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gundam
[i]Hi fellas,
I'm going to be an expat in Saigon due to my job in a few month. I'd like to know where and how to find an house for renting (it's better in downtown or residence or suburbs ?) and rates for a 100-square-meters. Do you know any agency ?
Thanks
Leo [/i][/QUOTE]
Leo,
Searching for a house to rent in WSG is a wrong place :-) Try to use search engines (google, yahoo, ect...) for housing for rent in hochiminh city. Good luck.
According to vnexpress.net in vietnamese edition, many bars (Xinh Xin, Paradise, Dep, and Nhat Nguyet) in Hochiminh City on Thai Van Lung, Le Thanh Ton, Thi Sach, and Hai Ba Trung streets in District 1 have been closed or will be closing due to decline in number of customers because of SARS. So if you guy(s) are planning to travel to Hochiminh City in Vietnam and look for some of the bar(s) mentioned here by forum member(s). They could be closed. Good luck and have fun guy(s). Please don't forget to post your review(s) for member(s) to read. Thanks in advance.
Gundam> as a fellow expat working in asia i find www.asiaxpat.com pretty good. It will give you all the possible info you could want for Saigon and the better stuff you can find here!!
Only one problem, the housing agencies tend to show you expensive places and take large commissions for doing so. I have a British colleague based in Saigon, if you would like him to contact you locally and offer any advice please leave your contact details on this site, or e-mail me at meatywsg@hotmail.com and i will forward them onto him. In line with Jacksons rules, i won't be sharing any other type of info through the e-mail.
Wendella> hows tricks, you don't seem as active out there as you were!?!? Have you tried those go-go bars posted earlier?
Laters
Meaty
Mr. Meat,
Yes I've been fairly active recently but have been so caught up with work and play that no time to report here. It's mostly been the same kinds of things we all know about, so nothing very exciting to report.
Moonshine is closed already, and a lot of these bars are still open but empty night after night, so it does not surprise me. A girl from Moonshine I ran into said that the police had closed it due to some kind of fight taking place there, and that she didn't think it'd reopen. Then again, someone else had told me the same thing about Long Phi bar a few weeks back and that's up and running again.
I made a mission recently of checking out every single one of the hostess bars in the HBT/Thai Van Lung/Thi Sach area, different one every night. Winner hands down for sheer selection and overall beauty has to be..... heh, I think I'll allow you to guess. ;-) The clue is that it's on HBT.
777 is currently closed, probably will reopen soonish... Heat on Pham Ngu Lao seems to be the current hotspot (haven't been to Liquid lately, but heard it was not hopping)...Saigon Super Bowl was a ghost town at 11:30pm Saturday night. Apocalypse is getting hassled by police big time this past week -- last night they even stopped them from allowing dancing. Next week, I guess it will be no drinking. And then..... no one will be allowed to speak inside the club.
Wait so WHY is it nobody is allowed to dance inside the disco? Is it the usual reason, to stop drugs? Here's a crazy idea: what about catching the people doing drugs without stopping the people who just want to drink and dance? It invovles something that perhaps one day may be introduced into this country: police work.
Ah yes the pole dancing.... nearly forgot. No that was a pretty misleading bit of info by Hentaitic actually. They dance fully dressed. This hidden secret place he's talking about is the very well known Club One. So "at Thi Sach" also turned out to be pretty inaccurate. It's discoveries like these that make me feel not so bad about his withholding the info on the fishbowl place from us. I suspect he's talking about Lisa Hotel though.
Gundam: I'll be in touch with someone soon (friend of a friend) who knows all these expat matters, including I think lower priced apartments -- get my email off Meaty and I'll let you know the score as soon as I know it myself.
I'm told rents for us foreigners can be as low as 2 million dong a month..... that's about $125 US.
Busy wif having my boss around in Saigon. Now that he has returned to Spore, I can cheong again.
Well, an important update:
The FL friends told me yesterday that the Heat Disco (Phan Ngu Lau) management has disallowed FLs into the disco. And so, my FL friends has moved to Liquid at Hai Ba Throng. Worth mentioning is the number of cute waitresses in tight spaceage uniforms. And with Club 777 still close, Apocalypse Now disallowing dancing (yes, dancing disallowed in a disco!!!) naturally even the normal clubbing gals have moved to Liquid. So the place has suddenly picked up its pulse!
Memorable too is the motorcycle trip made to Liquid Disco as I was ferried there on a motorcycle sandwiched between 2 gals. Now got me thinking of trying a 3 some. HE He He !!! Upon reaching there, one of the FL was quickly snapped up by a horny Vietnamese there. She is about a 7 on looks.
After so many mentions of my FL friends, now let me share where they usually hang out if they are without customers. From Apolcalypse Now, walk along Thi Sach Road heading towards the Cong Truong Me Linh Roadabout. At the corner of Thi Sach and Hai Ba Thung is a makeshift coffee stall with just the miniature chair and tables belonging to a middle aged lady. Yes, all of them will usually be there, especially after 12midnite, after all the discos have closed. Going rate among them are 50USD to 100USD overnite dependant upon their looks. There is one with killer looks (about an 8), slim but with huge mammaries but beware, she is a junkie, with many needle marks on her arm. She charges around USD70 and has a lover who works as a motorcycle taxi.
So guys, be careful when you are with FLs.
Gundam,
As a fellow expat working in asia I find www.asiaxpat.com pretty good. It will give you all the possible info you could want for Saigon and the better stuff you can find here!! ---
Not to the point of this site so much but this just ain't a resource that should be taken seriously as far as Vietnam is concerned....The best site for info on bars/restaurants etc.. is www.elephantguide.com
[QUOTE]Originally posted by hentaitic
[i]Tonite I found a club/disco where there actually pole dancing. Well the pole do not go all the way to the ceiling! Funny sight!
It is located at Saigon's little Japan, so called because there are so many Japanese restaurant along this street, the Le Thanh Ton!
The Club is called "Cau Lac Bo So" along the street towards Tan Van Lung Street! But still amazing there's pole dancing cause Saigon is still technically communist! [/i][/QUOTE]
Sorry never knew that pole dancing refers to only the topless ones. Guess this place's "pole dancing" is the tame version then. Then again, this place's Main Selling Point are the cute hostesses who will try to befriend you and maybe get a drink or more off from you. And the whole place is pretty much aimed at the Japanese businessman.
Is this place really called Club 1???
If it is not called Club 1 now, either it was in the past or that's just what it's known as in English. It's address is 1 Le Thanh Ton -- that one?
Apocalypse: the police came that night (Thursday?) and stopped them playing music loud, which meant no dancing. Lights got turned up too. But yes, it's pretty bizarre when nobody can dance in a disco. Anyway, there was dancing again on Friday, tho they're still closing at midnight until further notice (another week or so probly).
Sounds like Liquid may be worth a look. There were a few cuties I'd seen in AN in past weeks who are nowhere to be found anymore there. Maybe that's where they're hiding.
Saturday nite live reporting from Heat Disco, Phan Ngu Lau.
Seen for myself what my FL frens have mentioned. Heat Disco has banned all the FL gals that they are aware of. So what do the FL gals do? They hang around outside the disco. So guys, now it's ever more easy to spot them now. HE HE HE!!!
Inside the disco is so packed, there's hardly any standing room. Filled to the brim with both male and female clubbers. Many of whom are Club 777 regulars that have switched to Heat Disco because Club 777 is still closed.
But one thing I dun like about Heat Disco is how the bouncers usher you to move on. I knw that they are trying to smooth out the human traffic inside the packed disco but putting their hands on me, and sometimes 'pushing' me on, I dun like at all!!! Wish I could communicate this into Vietnamese to them. If they really still want to do that, they ought to hire goodlooking female bouncers instead!!!
Hey, hey, hey, finally got to the Saigon Water Park. I only saw one bikini babe but nvm, all the "wet t-shirts" made-up for it.
You see, many of the gals came with light coloured blouse with also light coloured bras underneath, and when they are wet, you could actually see their darker, protruding nipples. Some of the younger gals are even naive enough to come with their training bras, which are thin and when wet, you could literally see thru them. But still it's not the best yet. One came braless, yet wore a light colored top! That was the best!!!
Do Vietnamese gals dislike the swimsuit? At the beach I could understand not wearing the swimsuit but definitely at the swimming pool or waterpark, they should.
The crazy thing is that they allow cameras into the waterpark. Even crazier is that they have a Sony booth setup to rent-out videocams for use in the waterpark. I could see many Vietnamese guys positioning themselves at strategic positions to capture all these "freeshows". Their favourite strategic position is at the "mattress slide" where one slide downwards headfirst on one's stomach . Whoa so many wet downblouse, it's crazy!
I brought my underwater camera and my digital camera but did not take any pictures. I was intimidated by the daring Vietnamese "videographers" perhaps.
Here are the details about the SWP:
1.SWP charter-bus (5000 VND/one way) from Ben Thanh Market busstop to SWP leaves everyhour from 0800 - 1500hrs. No bus at 1200.
2.SWP to BT market leaves everyhour also from 1100 to 1800hrs.
3. SWP is only closed on Tuesday.
One tip: Go in the morning as most of the crowd leaves after 2pm.
Any report on the 30th floor disco/bar of the new HCM Sheraton and the atmosphere of the hotel (guest friendly ?)
Thanks
Retraction 26/5/03
My earlier conclusion that Heat Disco has barred all FL was only a half truth. Actually, the barring only applies on Friday and Saturday nites when the place is filled to the max with clubber. It makes sense that Heat is doing so because the FLs will only spend the minimum inside the disco compared to the freespending Saigon youths. Therefore, on these nites the FLs have no choice but to hang outside the disco.
Today it's business as usual inside the disco. They, the FLs can usually be found hanging ard the bar, looking displaced even bored. There are 2 bars in opposite ends of the disco. Common sense will tell you they will usually be at the bar further away from the dance floor and the blarring music. Rarely will they have alcohol, mostly orange juice or fruit juice. Cos they have to WORK!
Earlier I manage to sneak into the Vietnam Fashion Week show at the Opera house between Continental Hotel and Caravelle Hotel. Apparently the guests are by invitation only. Whoa! True blue Vietnamese runway models, about 20 of them!!! Not only do they look good, they "sashay" so very suggestively down the runway too. Took many pictures and short video clips. Anyone interested to view them? If there are enough interest I will upload them.
I hv always fantasized about doing a threesome with pair of identical twin runway models. Well, I can dream on, can't I?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by hentaitic
[i]
Do Vietnamese gals dislike the swimsuit? At the beach I could understand not wearing the swimsuit but definitely at the swimming pool or waterpark, they should.
[/i][/QUOTE]
Hentaitic,
Not that they don't like swimsuit. They are SHY. You don't see many of them wear bikinis at the swimming pool or waterpark.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by hentaitic
[i]Retraction 26/5/03
Today it's business as usual inside the disco. They, the FLs can usually be found hanging ard the bar, looking displaced even bored. There are 2 bars in opposite ends of the disco. Common sense will tell you they will usually be at the bar further away from the dance floor and the blarring music. Rarely will they have alcohol, mostly orange juice or fruit juice. Cos they have to WORK!
[/i][/QUOTE]Totally man. Was there on Monday night as well, sitting exactly at that bar & watched at least 7 of them trying to stir up some interest.
Anyway, thanx Hentaitic & everyone else for the post, its been VERY informative.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by hentaitic
[i]True blue Vietnamese runway models, about 20 of them!!! Not only do they look good, they "sashay" so very suggestively down the runway too. Took many pictures and short video clips. Anyone interested to view them? If there are enough interest I will upload them.
[/i][/QUOTE]Yes please, it'll be worth a look. Thanx fro the effort, Hentaitic :D
YES, I would, Shaggy
Anyone with or without Vietnamese Language skills you could try at the famous 131 Cafe Nhactre Bar at 131, Nguyen Hue , Dist 1. There are more than 100 waitress and hostess in this bar alone. I was brought to this place by a 'resting' Corona beer promoter I met at Club 777, before it was closed. This place according to her, is very popular among the Vietnamese, as a pickup place for the waitress/hostess. If not what for the more than 100 of them.
This place if I am not wrong, is affliatted to the infamous No.1 Cafe Nhactre Bar at Ly Tu Throng.
Less popular but also lotsa gals is the 119 Bar located just a few shops beside the 131.
The biggest party tonite must be the 12th anniversary of Apocalypse Now(AN)
It's still rocking on as I type and it's already 1.15am. Still, there are people arriving!
The models from Vietnam Fashion week were also there. The coolest thing was that they left in their own Honda 150cc Scooters. Imagine them in their little black dress, riding a scooter. Sexist thing I ever saw on 2 wheels.
Well, soon after they left, I left too. Btw, my live reporting from Saigon has been extended to this Friday by my boss. Anyone from here was at the 12th anniversary too???
For those that have asked me for the short clips on the models at Vietnam Fashion Week...here are my favs!!!
http://sg.briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/hentaitic/lst?&.dir=/vietnam&.src=bc&.view=l
Also saw these models at the 12th anniversary of Apocalypse Now!!!
Now, if any of you guys , managed to 'bed' any of them, do post a FR please!!!
[QUOTE]Originally posted by hentaitic
[i]For those that have asked me for the short clips on the models at Vietnam Fashion Week...here are my favs!!!
http://sg.briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/hentaitic/lst?&.dir=/vietnam&.src=bc&.view=l
Also saw these models at the 12th anniversary of Apocalypse Now!!!
Now, if any of you guys , managed to 'bed' any of them, do post a FR please!!! [/i][/QUOTE]
Folders are currently empty. Thank you for nothing mate !
I got same message " Folder is currently empty" What happen ??
Where are the files for the Models Club Liquid is empty, Club 777 had a lot of girls but now it is closed. Club heat is cool but not that many girls, and AN has a lot of girls but, most are 4 and 5's. Not that many in the 8,9,10. I stuck with the bars like NO. 1, lots of good looking girls in the 8,9,and 10's. There is a girl there by the name of Hang. What a cutie. And Hien, wow. Nice girls. The dancers are sweet too, man o man.
I went to Windows of the World and it was full of bums (guys) and maybe 4 girls there and out of those 4 girls I took 2 of them there. Last year when I was there you could find a massage parlor (you know what I mean) anywhere and now I can't find one to save my life. It seems that it cost almost 65 bucks for a girl of quality 8 in a club like 777. I would go to a beer one place and have 3 girls come in and tell them to go to my hotel on different days. They are a lot cheaper and a lot better looking, that for me is the best bet because when you go to a club, the girl you like is already with some dude.
Any girl you want anywhere you can get, you can walk down the street, in a store, where ever you can get her, but remember there is always a price. It all depends on you and your wallet. Somehow the ones I want always want a relationship. and that get expensive. Learn from my mistake!
Will be in VN in a month or so and wondering...
What's the latest on the bia om around Hai Ba Trung? Has Paradise closed for good? What was the reason? Is U2, Crystal still happening? What are the best of the the ones still open and who all has been shut down recently? What are the best HCMC discos for beauties and action? Hopefully, some local expats or recent travellers have the inside scoop on the scene.
asiaphile:
bars around HBT seem to be closing daily - and reopening two days later, some with new names, old faces.
you have to check for yourself when you are here.
as far as i know there are only two discos happening currently: HEAT on Pham Ngu Lao Str. and good, old AN
Heat definitely has the prettier girls, but also not as easy to score, as the scene is very mixed. by far not every girl there is a working girl!
I've scanned the VN reports but nothing is ever mentioned about having multiple girls at the same time (whether it be for 1 or 1+ guys). Is this something that is just never done? If not, is it the women who generally find it unacceptable, or are there other factors involved?
I will be spending a few weeks in HCM and would appreciate any info.
Thanks.
-The Boob
Booby boob,
Two girls can be had in VN.
I got lucky my first time out. This was a year back so the geography may be off.
I was staying in the Renaissance (I think district 3), a total expat zone. Went to a little bar not too far on one of the side streets. It had a red light outside, so you know what was going on inside.
All it was was a bar with girls. Started chatting up one of the gals and bought her drinks. Negotiated to go to a hotel owned by the owner of the bar. She wanted to bring a friend for 'safety and fun'
I told her I wasn't going to double the amount we agreed to, they discussed it and decided they would split the money and both go (about US$30 each).
We hopped into a cab, rode for about 15 minutes, got to the hotel, paid the room fee for 2 hours ($15) and did the deed with both of them.
Next day the came to my hotel and I took them to lunch at a riverside cafe and they showed me the city.
Very nice.
Ex88
OK well the update for these days.....
the famous disco 777 is now absolutely No More. The original report about it here was that it got shut down and would reopen in a few weeks. Well unless their new look is going to be the Gutted look, it's history. I looked in the door and the place has been torn to shreds inside.
The hot discos these days seem to be Heat and Liquid, and Apocalypse is same as it's always been.
All the major hostess bars are still operating, no worries there. Paradise was said to have closed. Not true (unless it was just a few days). I was there. It's unchanged.
Long Phi bar on Pham Ngu Lao shut down again this weekend, in order to relocate a ways down PNL next month.
The police crackdown situation hasn't been very noticeable lately.
I'll be going to HMC next week for the first time, and going from Hanoi. I only have a couple of days and no time for any thorough research. What are the best two or three places to go and how do the prices compare with Hanoi? Thanks for any help.
based on what i'm hearing from various ex-pats and most recent travelers the disco scene has suffered from recent crackdowns in hcmc. according to a recent post here (thanks ratafreddie) heat and an are happening as usual but a lot of disco "hot spots" have closed down like blue, 777, speed, and some others. i don't like the disco scene in vn particularily, but if you dig new century in hanoi you'll probably like heat in pham ngu lao. lots of stunning babes who may or may not be available.
some other direct hit and miss venues (but more obvious hits) are the rather expensive hotel club joints like saigon-saigon (caravelle) with its boring filipino band and catwalk (new world) with plenty of expensive eye candy. i am forever amused by the typical line, "i go with you honey one hundred dollah." it's pathetic when it comes out of the mouth of burnt out older pros who have been hanging out in the same place for 7-8 yrs.
over the decade, i've found the aforementioned scenes only fair to poor in hcmc, so i usually just stumble around the infamous hai bai trung str areas and make calls on my favorite bia/karaoke oms and a few formal dance clubs. the quality can be found but the price is usually not cheap - at least not on a night in and night out basis.
for me, i'll more than likely mostly stick to a few rather obscure venues where some barbershops, relax cafes and private hotels have the goods for a much more reasonable sum of vnd. perfect st in the late afternoon or early evening so i'm more ready the next day to get out of bed early and see as much as possible in vn, not just the same old nightlife (heck, meeting regular girls in the daytime is great!). most of the bia om girls i've had seem to like lt but they also tend not to be available to take out until quite late.
i can't wait for my next one month trip later this year. the only question i'll have for myself is, how long on the ground in vn and how long in wild wooly, delicious cambodia.
Thanks for the words of encouragement, Explorer88.
It'll be my first time in HCMC and I was wondering if anyone could suggest a few good parts of the city where I can just hang out and get to know "the scene."
I'm also on the lookout for the more "mature" type, so the places Asiaphile mentions in the previous post with "older pros" have been well noted. Any other places I should know about? In general, are older women going demand high prices, or should I expect a geriatric discount?
Thanks in advance.
The Boob
Booby Boob,
If you are into older women they are going to love you to death! Great thing about HCMC is that it is such an open, friendly and alive city. Can't go wrong walking around anywhere in District 1, best way to discover and try places is to just walk, there are too many to mention and things change weekly. Pay no attention to the guys on bikes and especially ciclos.
Anyone have any experience with marriage in Vietnam? Thinking about it, but not taking her out of VN. Sounds strange, but after dozens of trips, sleeping with multiple extremely beautiful 18-20yo girls gets old after a while :) Vietnam truly is paradise.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by mrmeyers
[i]
Anyone have any experience with marriage in Vietnam? Thinking about it, but not taking her out of VN. Sounds strange, but after dozens of trips, sleeping with multiple extremely beautiful 18-20yo girls gets old after a while :) Vietnam truly is paradise. [/i][/QUOTE]
mrmeyers,
So what is the point of marriage if you don't want to take her out of VN? Your thinking has no logic. Why don't you just continue of what you have been doing? And that saves you a lots of hassle.
Taodan,
I don't know, I guess I broke the golden rule and fell in love.
Anyone have any experience photographing the girls? Will they let you do it? Do you have to negotiate beforehand?
I'm not looking to sell any pictures or video or anything. I'd just like to have a couple of good souvenirs for my own personal use.
The Boob
Yes you can take pictures and videos. I've taken pictures and videos of girls but they were my girlfriends (wink wink). I never had to pay to video them. The trick is first take picture of them with clothes on and with you. They won't think that all you want is sex pictures. I've never had a girl say no so good luck. They even pose for me and do all sorts of stuff, every one wants to be a movie star, you know what I mean. HEHEHEHE
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Hi, all brother
I will have business trip to HCM soon. Will stay in Sofitel Hotel. Is there good spot I can walk thru around the hotel or inside the hotel?
Any help infor will be truly appreicated.
Ciao
This is another place I have my eye on...How's the scene here guys? I hear good things about Ho Chi Min City.As soon as I'm done with my 2 week tour of Thailand, I'm off to Vietnam.Im not going to go into a debate on race because I heard it all
(I'd probably be the only brotha* in Vietnam)
MEATMAN
Hi,
I'll be in VN soon. Anybody has idea where to hook-up with GFE type?
Thanks,
So here I'm in VN with the decision to regularly post reports about the trip, that has already started in the best way for me, unlike my last visit to Argentina that I left undocumented despite the many interesting things that happened there, the only excuse I have is that I was a little bit emotionally displaced.
Day 1
Arrived in Ho Chi City and got my visa (us$ 25) there. I think this can save you at least us$ 35 compared to a visa issued by a consulate abroad. I had some 'approval' letter that the travel agency prepared for me. Checked in at the Empress Hotel in Dist. 1, across the street from the big Christian church, again it was booked for the first night by the travel agency but I negotiated a better rate (us$ 25) for the following days. The hotel proved to be quite girl friendly as they allow late night guests to stay by charging you an additional room for $12. They ask you to have your guest goto to the additional room in case the police asks, but I think thst has never happened. The hotel is nice super-clean and friendly but the rooms are small and noisy if facing the street. Well now for some action let's talk about apocalypse now.
Boy whoever said that place is not so good is seriously wrong. I was there two days and it rocks. No cover charge and it was packed by both partygoers and working girls. You may like it or not as a club but the bottom line is that there are tens of girls to choose from, most of them very hot with a lot of 8's and 9's. Just smile and talk to them as they won't approach you openly. Spoke to some and they didn't seemed to be in a bargaining mood, insisting on us$ 50 for 1 hour. I didn't wanted to negotiate too much neither so spoke to another that was ok to stay three hours for the same money. Not a model but she had a firm body and an happy face that made me smile too. She spoke anough english and whole thing was very GFE (boy I don't use that acronym usually but it totally matches the situation here). She rode me on her motorbike to the hotel and we had a very good time. She loved to be eaten and I did a good part of my repertoire to total satisfaction on both (I think) parts. After that she wanted to leave erliear than agreed, coming out with the usual excuse and I left her do so, I was still tired and wanted to sleep, didn't really care for more company. She would have stayed had I insisted but, hey this is a free world and there were absolutely no bad vibes around so I did't felt cheated at all. Saw her the following day again at AN, made clear to her that i wasn't to repeat so we just hugged and a spoke a bit.
Day 2
I went to the beach with my friends (all Viets, local or expats) and after a great seafood lunch we took a bath and some tanning. Boy the sun is strong there, be prepared! Half-afternoon we went to massage parlor that is attached to the Myle Hotel. The place is very clean and spacious. Got a nice girl, short hair, she steambathed and massaged me well. She did also all the rest and was very good at sucking, didn't let a single drop to be lost. before that I ate and boned her to release on the massage bed but I wasn't totally relaxed as it is not the place to go very long on these things, due to the glass door and the fact she undressed just her pants. She asked dhong 700,000 but I gave her 250,000 and I think it was right. After going back to the city (can take almost two hours) I slept some more and got ready for action again at AN. Boy the starts were aligned or something, in short I met an hot petite that for a good start pinched my butts on the dancefloors. She was with her girlfriends but we started dancing together and didn't stop until they closed about 2 am. I was about to screwup the whole thing or at least offend her by talking money but she's not an hooker and just go for fun. Great english, strong small body and high energy. We slept together after running out of batteries just to start again in the early morning. Like the ad goes, dinner for two $4. sex in the morning, priceless. Won't forget this one.
to be continued ... in the Hanoi section
stoly,
Good report so far...keep up with the reports..it seems this nam section lacks sometimes...lets break that trend!!!!
PS. Sounds like you got lucky with that last chick.....hehe.
I agree with Stoly about Apocalypse Now in Saigon. The place rocks, and it's not only crammed with professionals, but with party girls as well. I was there last week and had a great time, with several offers of later entertainment. The place is much larger than its counterpart in Hanoi and much more upscale.
Going to Vietnam late August. Don't want to bring girls back to my place since a lot of my coworkers will be staying at the same hotel on the same floor.
Any massage parlor recommendations? Looking for parlors that have private rooms with a nice rub down and a good finish (more than a HJ).
Staying at the New World hotel.
Thanks,
Dave.
Last update on Ho Chi Min City, as I'm in Bangkok now. I just want to add few facts about how to get the best out of this great city.
Forget what I said about the Empress Hotel, that place is definitely not girl friendly. When I realized they were going to do that ridiculous 'additional room' comedy all the time with my girl(always the same girl I mean) I spoke to the manager and asked to stop bothering us. In a typical Asian fashion he said ok first just to raise the issue again a little bit later. I checked out and moved to Xuan Loc, right behind the New World. Also a three stars hotel, they only charge vnd 300,000 a night for a large, neat room. You won't pay anything bringing a girl with you but they will anyway pretend she is staying in a separate room.
The last two bits of this report. On my last day my girl was gone so I had to resort to mongering again. Went to the dark-glass bar on the corner behind the building that I think is the opera house downtown. Drinks for guy and girl are 20,000 and 50,000 respectively. You have to buy two drinks for the girl, also they ask usd 5o be paid before you leave !!! I did not wanted to pay in advance (and proved right, read on) but gave them $18 anyway and went to my hotel. Once in the room, the reception guy rings me to remind that the 'safety room' in case police checks is the one in front of the mine and is already opened. For some reason that tripped the girl and she wanted to leave, saying she's scared and want to go somewhere else. Of course I had enough of that bullshit and let her go. Then I walked back in the bar and faced a guy and a woman there (that spoke no english) asking my money back. It took a while but reluctantely they refunded me $10, well another case of minimized loss! In summary I'd say avoid the place.
Last thing, at AN was quite a slow night, the only stunning beauty was taken already and other not-so-gorgeous chicks demanded ridiculous amounts of money. At the last minute I hooked with this girl that I think is a resident celebrity, tall and slender, short reddish hair, you can't miss her if you go there, she will ass-dance with anyone and has this total slutty look. But she was fun to talk with (fukk-yuu and yuu maam-too) and energetic in sex. Fast and furious fuck, no real negotiation as she was happy with whatever (wans't much) I gave her, without even counting the money.
That was all for HCM'03, enjoy and stay safe.
After using WSG for field research throughout Asia for some time, thought I would provide an update following a recent one week trip to HCM.
Found the kissy bars on Hai Bai Trong Street to be extremely hit or miss – mostly miss. There are few diamonds to be found here, mostly road girls with a lot of mileage on them. Did find one diamond however in Cai Phuong bar between Hai Bai Trong and Dong Khoi Street near the Grand Hotel. Had a great body, slender and hot. First night took her to a ST hotel nearby - $50. The next day she came to my hotel in the late afternoon for a longer session – again $50. The second day she agreed to anal saying it was her first time, but was too tight! IMO, try the kissy bars, but don’t spend much time there and be careful buying girls drinks as they go fast and furious.
Recent reports on AN are on target, this place does rock, but found the activity to be thin some nights during my trip. Timing is everything. One night I met up with two girls at Saigon Saigon bar at top of Caravelle – well worth the visit when you go. We went to AN and spent the rest of the night drinking, dancing and having a good time. They said they weren’t working girls and couldn’t get the cuter one home with me so perhaps. They were very familiar with the regulars at AN and introduced me to someone I met the following afternoon in my hotel.
I went to Catwalk at the New World and found a treasure trove. Definitely the finest eye candy in HCM and more if you can afford it. A must see for everyone even if you don’t stay. US$9 per hour for any girl to sit with you. Drinks are reasonable – around US$2 to $4 each. They have KTV rooms to get a bit more comfortable but rooms are quickly booked. Girls won’t go out for less than $100. Problem in Vietnam to take them back to your hotel at night unless you rent them a room too. New World has cheap rooms just for this purpose if you are staying there so may make sense to some. You could also go to short time hotel, but personally if I am spending $100 bucks I want to have breakfast in the morning if you know what I mean. Did have one fox agree to come to my hotel the following day in the early evening and we were able to work things out.
Someone else mentioned Vietsingle.com. Has anyone had luck with this?
Hi guys,
normaly i don't post here,but i must say this:
Yesterdat (13 august) the police in Ho-chi-min city arrested 2 Dutch guys for having an SEX orgie...with 6 (!!) prostitutes in an appartment.
WOW....
I wonder how this is going to end??
Johan
Does anybody in Saigon have additional info about the arrest of the 2 foreigners with those pros, like what bars/clubs those pros normally hang or were they simply streetwalkers? Are the 2 guys in jail now? Any chance of seeing some *foottage*?
Be careful guys, don't do anything overboard (i.e. noise level, traffic frequency etc) and remember to play it safe.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by canabiz
[i]Does anybody in Saigon have additional info about the arrest of the 2 foreigners with those pros, like what bars/clubs those pros normally hang or were they simply streetwalkers? Are the 2 guys in jail now? Any chance of seeing some *foottage*?
Be careful guys, don't do anything overboard (i.e. noise level, traffic frequency etc) and remember to play it safe. [/i][/QUOTE]
According to vnexpress.net, there were 6 girls age range from 17-24 and they were busted by police after one of the girls stormed out of the door, 214/18/4A Dien Bien Phu, Binh Thanh district, while she was still high on ecstasy. She was drugged. She called her boyfriend who in turn called police. Two foreigners Dutch nationality, Lam Yiu Fai and Van Denr Klis Ronald, were arrested with cameras, 17 XXX videos, and 16 nude pictures.
I don't think those girls are pros.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by taodan
[i]According to vnexpress.net, there were 6 girls age range from 17-24 and they were busted by police after one of the girls stormed out of the door, 214/18/4A Dien Bien Phu, Binh Thanh district, while she was still high on ecstasy. She was drugged. She called her boyfriend who in turn called police. Two foreigners Dutch nationality, Lam Yiu Fai and Van Denr Klis Ronald, were arrested with cameras, 17 XXX videos, and 16 nude pictures.
I don't think those girls are pros. [/i][/QUOTE]
do you have the url to that exact page? I try to look in the vnexpress.net but could not locate it. TIA
If you can read Vietnamese please go here for some detailed reporting...
http://tintucvietnam.com/news/Story.aspx?ID=11556
http://www.tintucvietnam.com/news/Story.aspx?ID=11445
The first article even has a picture of 1 girl who was busted for *hiding* the evidence so to speak. Btw, lots of amateur movies there!!
Hi every body.
I shall be in Ho Chi Min by this coming Friday.
I was wondering which hotel would be the best for both massage with happy ending and mongering around.
Used to go to the Majestic which was rather accetable for both 3 years ago. How about now on ? Will you recommend it again or Sofitel or Empress ? Or any other ?
I want to be able to get one of these nice massage, either in my room or in the hotel parlor (I don't care really as long as they provide the good service). I want also to be close from a club (hotel one ?) and eventually be able to bring back my sandwich to my own buffet.
Any information and recommendationm appreciated.
Cheers
Wolf
[QUOTE]
[I]Originally posted by Asia Travler[/I]I went to Catwalk at the New World and found a treasure trove. Definitely the finest eye candy in HCM and more if you can afford it. A must see for everyone even if you don’t stay. US$9 per hour for any girl to sit with you. Drinks are reasonable – around US$2 to $4 each.[/QUOTE]Are you serious? When I was there a year ago, they charged me $20/hour. That's the price the Madam told me also. I don't think they ripped me off or something. They must have dropped their prices or something.
[QUOTE]
[I]Originally posted by Asia Travler[/I]
New World has cheap rooms just for this purpose if you are staying there so may make sense to some.[/QUOTE]Can you or anyone tell me what the cheapest price of one night stay at the New World hotel?
I'd also appreciate if anyone can suggest me which hotel offer reasonable price to stay for about 2 weeks. Please be as specific as you can in term of price/day and the name and address of the hotel.
Thank you in advance.
Does anyone know if Tam barber shop, offers anything more than a haircut, its on Nam Ky Khoi, I went inside cos it was pretty much dark screen doors, went in and ask for a haircut, needed one at the time, and got one, and had a massage upstairs as well, becouse my back was killing me, but thats all I got, nothing else was offered, was it because I was not a regular customer, there seems to be alot of young nubile girls, sitting around doing nothing much, think I've fallen in love with one of them, aaaawww, so I'll be back to see her, now and again, pretty pleased that they didnt rip me off, or maybe they did, anyway anyone else that has visited this pretty decent place, or plan on doing.
Let me know your experiences.
Thanks
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Folks, just a lil update on the story of those 2 Dutch guys who were busted for making amateur movies:
The guy of Chinese origin will be held in custody for the next 4 months pending further investigation. The cops searched his residence and found loads of porn stuff as well as sexual aids and drugs meant to get girls sexually aroused
If you can read Vietnamese, the full article is at
http://tintucvietnam.com/news/Story.aspx?ID=12587
Hi wolfman,
If you wanna meet up, please send me an email to luongcam@hotmail.com, so we can get screwed twice, instead of once.
I went back to Tams Barber Shop, and had another massage. Quite expensive this time. I think they charge on time spent, so far shes only managed to massage my ego not even a hand job, which I can do myself. I was hoping for a blowjob at least, telling me how handsome I am. Yeah right, the Toxic Avenger could go in there and be told he's the sexiest guy around. I've arranged a dinner date for tomorrow, so lets see how things go, I know I'm not giving too many details away, but I just dont want her to find out who I really am. No I aint trying to shaft my long lost sister.
Ok this is probably paranoid, but has anyone taken up the guys on the honda oms offer of a massage? Are they any good, how much should they be tipped afterwards? Just kidding. Can you trust these guys? I was hoping to cut out the middleman, does anyone know where they take you too, as it would be cheaper? If we could get there oursleves, or are we not allowed in without a local? I don't want to end up hitching a ride, with someguy who drive me down a dark alley, him and his mates beat the shit out of me, and rob me. I was approach by a guy who works or rather touts for business outside kim do hotel, and a cyclo rider, and they pulled out the same card.
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Never mind reading the articles guys, can anyone get their hands on these fabled films? We would worship you.
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Hi all,
Anyone know a web site for online traslations? I mean from VNmese to English and viceversa and not just single words but a sentences.
Thanx
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Julytien
[i]Never mind reading the articles guys, can anyone get their hands on these fabled films? We would worship you.
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Hi Julytien,
Any good plan for HCM ?
I will be in HCM on the 9/2 to 9/4 .
I will be staying at the Renaissance Riverside
Dear Teazian
I havent been anywhere much, discos dont really suit me as I hate the noise there, wont call it music, the stuff in catwalk is good to listen too, until about 9.00pm, then they change the style of music, was thinking of going to le lai sauna, as they should have some hot and willing chicks in there, considering its under the same management, I'm going to ask a honda om guy to take me to a brothel soon, I dont think we can meet up as I will be leaving soon, if I am unable to get an extension on my plane ticket. If I can I'll let you know, you can get in touch with me at luongcam@hotmail.com.
I went back to tams, for my dinner date, which didn't go as planned as she was busy working. She came into my room and apologized. I didnt get my regular girl, but got one that was built like and looked like a Russian discuss thrower. She finish the massage and left the place. We got on her bike, and was planning to go to sofitel for 'sushi dinner'. She got a call on the way, but she didnt answer it. Got her to drop me off at HSBC, she must have called the caller then, because she left me high and dry. When I directed her to park the scooter, said she was going home. Oh well, guess I'll ask my Honda om guy to take me to a brothel and not a massage place. I will let you know what happens soon.
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Not to be nosey... but the Riverside is owned by the local Peoples Committee of the Communist Party. It's not guest friendly unless you have inside connections I would not be aware of. Why do so-called smart WSG travelers to VN continue to use these pathetic, unfriendly govt owned or joint venture jokes? Especially since there are many (very nice) private mini hotels including some larger 2-star in the $20 range. Is it ignorance of what's actually available on the ground or ingnorance or govt vs private ownership? I've traveled widely across VN for over a decade and always stay at privately owned hotels which are totally guest friendly or have a very reasonable policy. Finally, I do not need the mafia touts, cyclo dregs or hondo om drunks. No, I do not trust them in general. Knowledge is power and especially in the Socialist Republic of VN.
went to lei lai sauna last night, this place is not too bad at all. get undressed put my stuff in the locker, and open the door to be greeted by a hideous sight: a load of japanese men, getting out of the bath naked. quickly avert eyes to celing, shoes, side anywhere but not straight ahead, hope your not as unlucky as me. ask the attendant that i would like to have a massage, get shown to the waiting room, nice selection of newspapers and magazines, and television to watch too, although the sound is turned off, order a drink and sit back and relax, wait quite a long time, a little cute masseur comes into the waiting room, hope i'm her next customer. after a further wait, i am finally taken to one room, guess its best to go in the afternoon when its not so busy. its not the girl i wanted, maybe i should have ask the bar woman, when i saw the girl, the girl i get isnt that nice at all, but then again with these massage places, you hardly get to see the person, with your face lying down, for such a long time, she gives me a massage. and then its time to turn around, actually shes not as bad as first seems, well she does the usual stuff, then asks me if i would like a vietnamese special, but i have to tip me fifty bucks, shes not joking neither, get the price down to twenty bucks, which is still very expensive, for what i got a hj, and a fingering her pussy, she says no to sucking or getting on top, actually i decide to touch her, shorts first, then thought hell if shes letting me do this i may as well go in deeper. going in deeper was like peeling back an onion, she had a skirt, shorts and then underwear, she covers the light with a towel, dunno why, cos all she needs to do is use the dimmer switch, well i'm pretty certain, fs goes on in this place, you just need to find a willing girl, or up your 'tips' but for a few moments pleasure, i would rather chose a girl from catwalk, that way i know that i can have her for the whole night, not just a few hours of fun, so my next report will be either about catwalk or a brothel.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by asiaphile
[i]Not to be nosey... but the Riverside is owned by the local Peoples Committee of the Communist Party. [/i][/QUOTE]
I'm not sure but there are 2 hotels next to each other. One is called Riverside, the other is called Renaissance Riverside which is managed by Marriott. So, which one belongs to the PC ?
How about the Sofitel ?
Hello to all.
Was in Ho Chi Min by the final of last week and was looking for a nice place to have decent and happy ending massage.
As nobody provided info despite my request I decided to return to the Majestic where I had been treated very well 3 years ago.
Went there by 10 a.m. when the massage starts. Right before a business lunch appointment. Been assigned to a nice lady but older then I remembered. About 30 at least but still very decent looking. Very slim with rather large breast for the size of her body. And rather tall (about 170cm).
She asked me to get undressed and I obliged, getting all naked and showing her my good nature. She immediatly took the towel and wrapped me in, smiling nevertheless with a rather naughty eye.
She put me on the table and started to provide a rather average massage. On the other room (they are only separated by partition) another guy was having his own and was already at the negociation phase. Not too discreet though and his girl told him to only whisper.
Mine was rather active on my legs as I was lay down on my tummy. She was insisting on my up thigh and placing her hands and fingers at strategic positions.
When she asked me to turn around she managed to retain the towel so that I get all naked and she could see the effect she was doing on me. She smiled at me and came to whisper to my ear that I was very beautiful. I was pleased. She continued to massage my shoulder and came back to my ear and said that I was very strong and smiled at me.
Then she placed herself strategically and looked at me with very understandable hand signs and said looking at my little friend (not so little at that time) : do you want to continue the massage. Of course I wanted. She place gently her hand on my dick and balls, squeezed gently and then released. Went to take a piece of paper and wrote the price : US$60. I let her understood I found it too salty. She then gave me the paper and the pen. I wrote US$20. She wrote US$50. I shown her that for this price it had to be a blow job. She said no. She even mentionned that her boss does not allow (???). I then wrote US$30 and she smiled as I guess it was the price she was expecting. I probably paid too much as I remember it was bout 20 or 25 last time.
Anyway.
She went on the duty rather happily and provided a very decent hand job, making me unloading high and far. Actually it went on the partition at my shoulder level. She laughed as she had to clean it. Her fellow massagers, apparently not used to hear laughters from colleagues, asked her from the other rooms and she apparently explained what happenned as they all laughted. She started to real massage again but I got another hard on and she was looking at it smiling. I took her hand and started to masturbate. She whispered US$30 and I signed no with my head and she smiled and tried to take her hand off which I did not allow. She then obliged and finished the job quite satisfactorily, allowing me to place my hand in her panty and then to take her nice breast from her blouse and to play with them. She refused to kiss.
She then cleaned me and we could listen to another guy next door coming high and loud. Everybody laughed.
She took me to the shower room and I washed and then she helped me to dress. I give her the money plus a US$10 tip. She thanked me and asked me to come back and request her or indicate her to my friends.
Her name is Miss Lynn.
When I went out I crossed with a couple going for massage. For sure, Mrs was not knowing what Mr was going for. But by the smile he gave me, he knew very well.... I had the same experience 3 years ago when I went to this hotel with my wife. On Sunday morning we wenmt to the pool and she decided for a massage. I decided to join.
And on the next room as she was, I had a cutie to provided me with a sarting of blow job and a very good hand job while making noises imitating massage so that my wife do not notice. That was perfect. So for the service than for the thrill and adrenaline.
At the exit door, I met with a splendid young viet who was waiting to be assigned to a massage. Definitely a 9 and much better loking than mine.
I surely wil have to come back soon.
Price was us$10 for the club. Not bad !
Cheers to all
Wolf
The Riverside (both versions!) are owned by the CORRUPT COMMIES as is of course Majestic, Sofitel, New World, Caravelle, and all the other stupid govt/andor joint venture 3-4-5 star jokes you guys w/o a clue continue to blindly fall into. Paying $20-$30-$50 for a stupid HJ is further evidence of absolute ignorance of the scene in VN! Paying $50-$100 or more for a hotel that's not guest friendly is ridiculous IMO. Again, there are dozens of hotels that are very nice tourist class (around 2 star @ about $20) that have virtually all the aminities of the overpriced govt/jv hotels and ARE GUEST FRIENDLY. Unfortunately, this mindless largesse makes you a danger to yourself but more importantly a danger to us who know the real score as you GROSSLY OVERPAY and continuosly ruin the fun for those who follow behind you.
Asiaphile,
You are certainly right in your comment and I know I am paying way too much even though it sounds cheap. But this is why this forum exists : to provide information on where to find and what to pay. And this is why I posted a request for this type of information.
Request to which I would have immediatly answered would this have been posted and requested for Japan, Shanghai or Korea where I have most of my connections and could lead anyone to better and cheaper fun.
But as I posted, no one answer.
So !....
Everywhere I go, I post comments and informations. Everytime I am requested to inform or orient, I do it. Thjis is why I joined the board.
And further to your comments, you should also take into account that some of us are travelling on business expenses. This does not mandatorily mean that we can spend what ever we want (actually my mongering spending comes from my own pocket) but it means it is difficult to explain both to our customers and mainly staff and bosses abroad that we are going for business getting down to what sounds like a second zone hotel in Ho Chi Min when all over the year we are welcomed in Sofitel, Hyatt, Marriott and the like. Understand that sometimes you cannot get off the road to obviously.
For the rest you are right once again. And I am eager to learn. Especially knowing that I am going to visit Vietnam regularly as from now.
All you advices and posts are warmly welcome.
Ready to help and teach also if you come to visit Shanghai, Tokyo or Seoul.
Best regards
Wolf
[QUOTE]Originally posted by asiaphile
[i]The Riverside (both versions!) are owned by the CORRUPT COMMIES as is of course Majestic, Sofitel, New World, Caravelle, and all the other stupid govt/andor joint venture 3-4-5 star jokes you guys w/o a clue continue to blindly fall into. Paying $20-$30-$50 for a stupid HJ is further evidence of absolute ignorance of the scene in VN! Paying $50-$100 or more for a hotel that's not guest friendly is ridiculous IMO. Again, there are dozens of hotels that are very nice tourist class (around 2 star @ about $20) that have virtually all the aminities of the overpriced govt/jv hotels and ARE GUEST FRIENDLY. Unfortunately, this mindless largesse makes you a danger to yourself but more importantly a danger to us who know the real score as you GROSSLY OVERPAY and continuosly ruin the fun for those who follow behind you. [/i][/QUOTE]
Thanks for your feedback.
I'm travelling most of the times for business, and therefore I use to stay with the Marriott's hotels as we have a corporate rate and it's a company policy. But of course, whatever we do in the night is on our own expenses and we care for.
In the other hand, I believe that we are all professional people in this forum, or at least the majority of us, and not politicians. So commies or not commies, it doesn't matter much as long as our operations in Asia can bring revenue and profit to company or our own business.
I appreciate much comments from everyone but not insult.
But it would be another story when we travel for our own pleasure. And for pleasure only, I don't think that I would apreciate much going to HCM city. Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia are still my favorite places.
This forum is rather weak (unfortunately!) when it comes to consistent, reliable info on VN - IMO. The same could be said about Cambodia as well to name yet another heap of mostly mindless banter. I suppose on such a large site some useful, up to date info can be found on a few countries from time to time. In that regard, it seems much of the info on China here at wsgforum.com is relatively good (and I'm sure at a few others I rarely click on). The old site under "Atta" was full of FAR more thorough, credible, well written travel reports all across the planetary spectrum. This has nothing to do with "Jackson," just the general downward drift in quality for whatever reason, made up of too much flaming, jokesters, juveniles, amateurs, etc. Again, I don't mean to point fingers at anyone or hurl any unintended insults. I'm simply trying to present facts based on my personal observations after a decade of travel around VN and nearly a decade checking out this growing more silly by the day site. Probably the best VN nightlife info on the web if I haven't mentioned it before is at forums.************.com/vietnamfun/messages
Thanks for all the reports here. I will be in a position to contribute, because I will be in HCM in about a week. If anyone is there on the ground and wants to get together for a beer, email me: my handle at yahoo.
Later!
to anyone, whos into watching doing what women do naturally, can do so, at lucky plaza, with the minimart upstairs being closed, you can now sneak into the ladies toilets, i find that the middle cubicle is best for, watching them [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url], as their is a slight hole, and you can see everything going on, even manage to see one chick giving herself 'stress relief'
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Teazian
[i]Hi Julytien,
Any good plan for HCM? I will be in HCM on the 9/2 to 9/4. I will be staying at the Renaissance Riverside [/i][/QUOTE]Yup will be able to meet up, got my ticket extension, but possibly not on the 9/2 as its national day, may have plans, send me an email, although I know alot more about the food scene, in Ho Chi Minh than the 'underground' sex scene.
Dirty Pervert,
Who would want to do that? Yuck!!!!!!!!!!!! "Dirty".......
Does anyone know if I can buy Rohypnol in Ho Chi Minh?
Cheers dudes.
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To Asiaphile,
If you think theres no info on this site, then do some posting. Instead of being anti-communist, us guys are here to examine the every country's government and infrastrucutre.
As for being overcharged, do you honestly think we could get away with paying local prices, when the women think we are all rich westerns?
HELLO EVERYONE. I MEANT TO POST SOME INFO ON THE CAFE OMS A LONG TIME BACK BUT HAD FORGOTTEN ALL ABOUT IT. I AM STILL IN THE STATES BUT WILL BE RETURNING TO VIETNAM THIS WINTER FOR ANOTHER EXTENDED STAY. I CAN'T WAIT! WELL HERE IS SOME INFO ON THE CAFE OMS. CAFE OMS ARE LIKE BEER OMS EXCEPT THEY ARE IN SMALL CAFE BARS. THE ONES I HAVE FOUND ARE IN GO VAP DISTRICT. FIRST YOU SHOULD RENT A MOTOBIKE AND RIDE AROUND IN THE OUTER DISTRICTS LATE. AFTER 11PM. LOOK FOR CAFE BARS WITH A FEW GIRLS SITTING OUTSIDE. GO IN AND ENJOY SOME COFFEE. IF ITS A CAFE OM YOU WILL KNOW RIGHT AWAY. THE GIRLS WILL START ASKING IF YOU WANT MASSAGE IN THE BACK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THE GOING RATE IS 70,000 DONG. IT MAY BE MORE NOW BUT DON'T PAY MORE THAN A 100.000. THEY WILL TAKE YOU TO THE BACK WHERE THERE ARE USUALLY BLANKETS CLOTHES PINNED UP TO MAKE SMALL ROOMS. INSIDE THERE ARE USUALLY A CHAIR, A COUCH OR A SMALL MATTRESS. NOT VERY SOPHISTICATED. THE GIRLS WILL GIVE YOU A NICE BLOW JOB AND THEY TAKE IT IN THE MOUTH. IF YOU GO TO A GOOD PLACE YOU CAN ARRANGE OUT CALLS FOR A REASONABLE PRICE. (ABOUT 500.000 FOR ALL NIGHT SERVICE). NOTE:IF YOU CAN'T SPEAK VIETNAMESE DON'T TRY THIS. YOU DON'T NEED TO BE FLUENT BUT BASIC CONVERSATION SKILLS ARE A NESSESSITY TO EXPRESS EXACTY WHAT YOU REQUIRE AND EXPECT. THIS REDUCES YOUR CHANCES OR GETTING RIPPED OFF. I ARRANGED OUT CALL SERVICE THRU ONE OF THESE PLACES. IT WAS EXCELLENT. THEY HAD ME FOLLOW THEM TO A HOUSE WHERE ALL OF THE GIRLS ARE WAITING. I GAVE THE MAMASON THE MONEY. AND TOOK THE GIRL I CHOSE. SHE WAS FINE. PERFECT HEART SHAPE ASS, TIGHT PUSS, BUT SMALL TITS. SHE GAVE ME EXCELLENT SERVICE IN A SMALL HOTEL. WELL THATS ALL FOR NOW. I WILL BE REVIEWING THE FORUM MORE FEQUENTLY NOW SINCE I PLAN TO RETURN SOON. PLEASE KEEP UP THE POSTINGS ON NEW ESTABLISHMENTS THAT HAVE DECENT GIRLS. LASTLY, THIS IS FOR "ASIAPHILE" DON'T BE TOO HARD THE THE "COMMIES". I HAVE MET SOME OF THE VIPS IN THE PEOPLES COMMITTEE. THEY HAVE ARRANGED ALOT OF GIRLS FOR ME AT PRIVATE PARTIES. AND MOST OF THE TIME FOR FREE OR VERY LITTLE MONEY. ALL OF THE GIRLS WERE OUTSTANDING. SO YOU OUGHT TO LEAVE YOUR POLITICAL PREDUDICES AT HOME BEFORE COMMING TO VIETNAM. THEY SAY IF YOU HAVE MONEY YOU CAN DO ANYTHING IN VIETNAM THIS IS ONLY THE HALF TRUTH. YOU NEED THE PROPER CONNECTIONS AS WELL. THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT ITS NOT HARD TO NETWORK IN VIETNAM. WELL ENOUGH FOR NOW. C-YALL AGAIN SOON. AND GOOD LUCK!-DIRTY DOG.
Can anyone tell me the best places for play for pay in Saigon? I will be visiting in November.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by dirty D.
[i]FIRST YOU SHOULD RENT A MOTOBIKE AND RIDE AROUND IN THE OUTER DISTRICTS LATE. AFTER 11PM. [/i][/QUOTE]
Dirty Dog,
How frequently do you travel to Vietnam? Many times. Do you know how dangerous it is to ride motobike in Vietnam? Unless one has been to Vietnam many times and stay there for long period of time, renting motorbike and venturing after 11PM where you don't know your ways around are not recommended.
Taodan,
Yes I agree with you. Most of my postings are meant for expats who have lived in Vietam for an extended time and are already familiar with the lawlessness of Vietnam roads. I go and stay in vietnam fequently, my wife is vietnamese and my children were born there. I have traveled in a motobike all over Vietnam and have yet ran into any proplems (knock on wood). Actually there was a time when somebody ripped out the IC on the motobike while I was inside the market. Other than that I've been lucky. I do excercise caution where ever I go and when ever I go.
Dirty Dog
CAFE OMS ARE LIKE BEER OMS EXCEPT THEY ARE IN SMALL CAFE BARS. THE ONES I HAVE FOUND ARE IN GO VAP DISTRICT. FIRST YOU SHOULD RENT A MOTOBIKE AND RIDE AROUND IN THE OUTER DISTRICTS LATE. AFTER 11PM. LOOK FOR CAFE BARS WITH A FEW GIRLS SITTING OUTSIDE. GO IN AND ENJOY SOME COFFEE. IF ITS A CAFE OM YOU WILL KNOW RIGHT AWAY. THE GIRLS WILL START ASKING IF YOU WANT MASSAGE IN THE BACK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THE GOING RATE IS 70,000 DONG. IT MAY BE MORE NOW BUT DON'T PAY MORE THAN A 100.000. (ABOUT 500.000 FOR ALL NIGHT SERVICE). NOTE:IF YOU CAN'T SPEAK VIETNAMESE DON'T TRY THIS. YOU DON'T NEED TO BE FLUENT BUT BASIC CONVERSATION SKILLS ARE A NESSESSITY TO EXPRESS EXACTY WHAT YOU REQUIRE AND EXPECT. THIS REDUCES YOUR CHANCES OR GETTING RIPPED OFF.
I think you mean 70000 to mamasan - right? I've paid 60000-100000 to mamasan at cafe bars (aka: cafe om, cafe den, cafe tam) in HCMC. I've paid as low as 30000 to mamasan at numerous upcountry cafe bars and then a tip to the girl of 50000-80000 depending on what was provided and the quality of the service. I've never taken one for outside service but 500000 ($33) seems a bit steep since the average factory girl in HCMC makes around $50 mo.
" DON'T BE TOO HARD THE THE "COMMIES". I HAVE MET SOME OF THE VIPS IN THE PEOPLES COMMITTEE. THEY HAVE ARRANGED ALOT OF GIRLS FOR ME AT PRIVATE PARTIES. AND MOST OF THE TIME FOR FREE OR VERY LITTLE MONEY. ALL OF THE GIRLS WERE OUTSTANDING. SO YOU OUGHT TO LEAVE YOUR POLITICAL PREDUDICES AT HOME BEFORE COMMING TO VIETNAM. THEY SAY IF YOU HAVE MONEY YOU CAN DO ANYTHING IN VIETNAM THIS IS ONLY THE HALF TRUTH. YOU NEED THE PROPER CONNECTIONS AS WELL. THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT ITS NOT HARD TO NETWORK IN VIETNAM.
I merely called them "corrupt" which EVERYONE in VN knows they are - even though they must whisper it. The criminal street mafia is in league with lots of powerful Peoples Committees all over which is the biggest problem the country has. I have been operating in and out of VN since the early 90's and I'm very well connected at all levels of the society. It's just when I see the abuses I make choices that I think can help the people who need the assistance - like staying in private owned "friendly" hotels instead of overpriced so-called luxury govt/joint venture crap. My hotel in HCMC is owned by a family with the elder patriarch a long time VC supporter from the war. After the American War the "liberators" from Ha Noi sabotaged his southern business interests and it took him decades to recover. Finally, he showed the dumb ass Ha Noians that he was more capable in private biz than their state run enterprises but he had to pay them big bribes, big taxes, etc. Finally, they allowed him to build, operate, and expand various factories and hotels. It's all privately held, very efficient and very profitable. He's a very rich as a result of his connections and tenacity - but he quietly despises the commies as much as me. In the back of his mind he knows they could sieze it all at any moment and because of the lack of rule of law he would have no recourse.
I haven't been to Vietnam in almost 18 months, and would never considering returning but for a friend's wedding this December. I was really dismayed by the difficulty and expense of persuing this hobby in Vietnam - and Saigon was worse than Hanoi! I love Vietnamese girls, and have had good luck getting them in Cambodia, but found Vietnam very difficult. I remember being charged 400,000 dong and even then the girl acted disappointed, not to mention they were much less young and good looking than the Viets in Cambodia.
But since I'll be in Saigon anyway in December - any advice on what is an appropriate price, and what are good venues at which to pick up girls?
Asiaphile,
I hope you didn't take my address to you as being critical. I see where you are comming from. I myself have gotten very aggravated about the corruption. I have personally experieced it but so as everybody else. Sounds like you operate in vietnam somewhat similiar as I do. Odds are we probably have already met or at least seen each other. I have not been back in about a year now so things may have gotten more expensive. I hope not. In my oppinion the bar girls give lousy service. I have gotten the best results via arrangements and just befriending some girl and playing my cards right, usually but not always they put out. I just want remind everyone that its not neccessary to spend a lot to get what you want. When I first came to Vietnam I was spending way too much, then a local friend and a chinese businessman set me straight. Gotta go now. I look forward to returning. Hopefully I will learn new things and post them as I have done in the past. Good Luck to you all,
Dirty Dog
dirty D.
I'm not offended by anything you said - only trying to keep up with the best, well informed, current info on all parts of VN. Anything I said was just trying to get clarification on some small point. As an experienced VN expat you have valuable knowledge and with my similar experience over the past 12 years, here's a tip of the hat to the brotherhood. As I've made clear before, the info on this WSG is overall rather weak on VN and there are IMO a few (but unfortunately very few) better sources around. If you or others can read VNese, I recommend vnexpress.net which has good breaking news on crackdowns and some nighlife venue coverage besides the regular news. The newsletter at erotictravel.com over the years has revealed to me a lot of the secrets of VN P4P as the editor lives in SEA and is a regular visitor there with several expert western and VNese correspondents on the ground reporting. There are a couple of other msg boards but none specializing directly in VN. Elephantguide.com is sometimes worth a look - maybe others know of some additional decent ones I missed. I'll be in VN for a couple of months early next year so maybe we'll hoist a few bia hoi somewhere in HCMC if you're in town. All the best!
A brief report based on several trips to Saigon. First, you cannot go wrong with U2 bar on Mac Thi Buoi street. First time I had a twosome upstairs with a couple of lovelies. Second time, last week, was with three of same lovlies. Yes, it's upstairs, don't bother with the mini hotel if you want short time (just so you know, upstairs is an attic!). Asking price was 500K dong per girl, paid 1M dong for three, plus one round of lady drinks. An orgy for less than 100 US, not bad!!! Don't let them try to charge for the upstairs 'accomodation'. BTW, although short time, the girls would have stayed as long as I could. As it happened, I could only do it twice (on both occasions). All the bia om (beer hug) bars in the area have gamers...I've found Saigon to be one of the easier places to get laid in Asia... Walk down nearly any street in District 1 and hookers will come out of the woodwork...Other areas to find beautiful young things are in front of the Renaissance and Caravelle hotels. A young lad in front of the Caravelle set me up a couple of times, first with one girl and the next night with a twosome. A bit pricey though (50US per girl), but worth it!!!. In any event, getting a piece in Saigon is like shooting fish in a barrel...
Thanks B Traveller, I will try the place when I am there in November.
According to www.tintucvietnam.com, karaoke Medusa at Amara Hotel was raided by Hochiminh City police for prostitution. 30 hostesses with 2 managers (1 Vietnamese and 1 Korean) were arrested by police. Prostitution activities had been going on for over a year and for each transaction the girl(s) charged 70USD - 100USD. The majority of customer were foreigners and normally around 70 hostesses were there at any given time.
When police raided the hotel, a customer (Japanese) and a hostess were caught red handed while they were having sex.
I a planning to visit VN from 11/21 til 12/2 and would like to meet an expat for coffee or a beer. Let me know if someone will be around HCMCT around that time. Will it be better to rent an apartment or get a hotel? I was planning to get an apartment for VietKieu around HBT street.
Zer
Dear All,
I have been visiting HCMC several times and I need an answer to this:
I usually stay at the Sofitel Plaza. Now the management say I can't bring in a girl unless I pay for a room for her.
Also I can't check in for double room if the girl with me is not my wife!
Now is this an official law in Vietnam? Or is it just the management trying to squeeze more money out of me.
Thanks for any elightenment.
Mike
I have been able to enjoy Saigon recently. My distinct impression was that there was something of a crackdown. U2 was still going strong, but I sensed that the girls were not really in the best of health, there was something sinister about some of them. Bar 131 seemed like a clip joint in the early evening, and in the late evening I had no patience with the brain-busting music. Liquid and Heat were very quiet (on a weekend) and it seemed that one of these, I forget which, was shut down entirely. The scene around AN was also quiet.
One's best bet was to wait for the very late evening, after midnight, when one can be accosted on some streets by solicitors and even girls on bikes. Play at your own risk; the better bet is to find a trustworthy motorbike fellow. I got into an uncomfortable situation the first night, and afterwards made a point of not allowing myself to be driven too far away on the biker's initiative. Some of these fellows can arrange girls to show up and meet you on the sidewalk, or they can drive around with you looking for freelancers. I have had some real discoveries there, but it's not something to be recommended for anyone on a first night out. There are also areas where bikers with girls drive around looking for punters, but as a general rule, the more middlemen guys there are with a girl, the greater the risk of trouble for you later. I was in a situation where I went with a girl to shower, and left my pants in the [locked] room. Bad move.
For these reasons, it's best to reserve a hotel room beforehand, or to have a business card from one; there are several convenient and discreet ones in Pham Gu Lao that allow you to take a girl in for an hour, at 200,000 dong. Get your driver to pick up the girl, and the three of you go off, leaving anyone else behind. This way, you remain the master of the situation. Again, nothing can be found until around 11pm at the earliest.
In summary, three excellent experiences, one scary situation, one scam, and one dead fish (performance-wise). One girl spoke a little English, the rest none whatsoever. I am discreet with the juicy details, because the Vietnamese vice squads have just as good an access to internet as anyone else.
Mike Loan,
That's the law in Vietnam. There are plenty of hotels that you can bring in girls. If this one doesn't allow, then find another one. Good luck and have fun.
Mike Loan,
Taodan is correct. It is the law.
But, don't worry. When i was at the Rennaissance Riverside, the visiting hours were from 10am-10pm. That means the girl can come over and stay all day. So you can wake up, have her come over at 9am, have a breakfast with her downstairs, then go up at 10am for some fun.
You can take her swimming at the pool...etc...etc...
Spend all day with her, take her out of the hotel at night.
I don't think that is such a bad way to spend your time in HCMC.
good luck.
There is a report from one of the on-line Viet newspapers that several bars in HCM City has been closed temporarily within the last few days, most notably No. 1 on Le Thanh Ton, 129 and 131 Nguyen Hue and 259 Tran Hung Dao. Anybody can confirm on this ? The article stated that this is in response to the recent raid at Amara Hotel.
Hi,
Any info about the Sofitel hotel (are lady permitted? Staff friendly?)
Thanks
READ 5 reports previous to the one you posted. Mike Loan's report, he mentions the Sofitel.
cheers
OK there have been a few mentions of this Go Vap area with all the cafe oms. I think it was Dirty D who shared this here a few times.
Any more detailed directions on how to find these?
I was out that way tonight about midnight but did not see anything. A "bookstore" was mentioned at one point as being the landmark to look for before turning left, but of course late at night all the shops are closed up, lights out, most with shutters down, so that's not gonna be the best way find this place.
I'm trying to find some of the less obvious spots now. That means not the District 1 hostess bars, not Dien Bien Phu hot tocs.
thanks
I will be in town staying at the Winsor Saigon from the afternoon of the 12 October 2003 and flighing out on the morning of 14 October 2003.
If any one feels like a mongering partner, you can email me before I get there so we can make some plans.
Thanks.
Claude
Vietnam is not so easy as Thailand and Cambodia for girls. I mean they are available ok, but you will not find it easy to take to hotel. I picked a girl from a bar in district 1 of Ho Chi Minh, Saigon district. It was easy, some eye contact, and she was mine. However my hotel didn't accept guests. I went short time to a nearby guest house and had a quicky, paying around $4 for room. Fuck was great, and vietnamese girls in general get a well deserved 8.
All,
Can anyone help me: Does Vietnam has any "soapy" massage places like Thailand ?
I will be visiting soon with a mate and believe it is something everyone should experience at least once in their life.
If there is a selection any recommendations!
Thanks in advance,
Summiteer
I'd like to write to some Vietkieu about the girls in HCM and VungTau. Please send me a private message via the WSG Forum's Private Messaging system. I'll be in the area by mid November.
Thanks,
James
Hi guys,
I was there in March 2003 and did not see or heard about any soapy massage parlours. I guess you can find some private ones if you can find the right people to talk with (expacts ?).
Plenty of girls around in HCMC (district 1) but as mentionned before the girlfriendly hotels are the biggest problem.
I am leaving next month again, any updates of new ho(s)tels please ? Maybe Malterman about his "nearby guesthouse" ?
Thanks!
Thanks Asiaphile, never heard about this!
I read somewhere that Catwalk has a 'package' for $20 that includes unlimited drink and a lady to chat with. Anyone knows if this is still the case? If so, how does one ask for it?
Also, what would be an appropriate tip to the lady for the time spent?
Besides Catwalk, is there similar places with high ratios of pretty girls?
Doing research for my upcoming trip in November. Thanks for any interesting info that can be shared.
Tell me if I am wrong, but it seems that the newest update of TET is 4 or 5 years old. The young girls on the photos must now all be married with one or two kids. The bars and brothel advertized must have changed of owner ten times, and the hotels on the 'inside scoop list' have either been demolished or become supermarkets. I don't like to destroy the work of co-sex travellers, but we need accurancy and solidarity among ourselves. I believe that is whay this forum is made for. But I might be wrong.
Hey HCMC,
Was great. Managed to hook up things in the last week I was there. BBBJs for 70,000 dong! Thats about 4usd, and girls are everywhere and very easy to find. Apparently the population is 50% 15-24yos so the odds are in your favour.
Contact me for any advice.
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I'll be in Saigon, Vietnam on Dec 19, 2003, and will be there for 2 weeks. I can speak Cantonese and Vietnamese. I'm looking for someone to meet up and hang out. Anybody going to Saigon around that time?
Hi SixPack,
I am starting my trip to Saigon next week and would like to chat with you about your recent trip. How can I send private message to you ? I've enabled PM here so you can send me your message.
Thanks, bro.
Hi sixoack & vietcool,
I will be in HCM from 19th Dec and then travelling around a bit so I am doing a bit of research. Any up to date info appreciated.
I will be writting a trip report when I get back to reciprocate what I have learn't.
Jason - you never know we might run into each other - but will we know !
Guys, We have to try and keep the "private messaging" to a minimum here. I realise under some circumstances it is warranted, but the site is for sharing of info. so that others may learn from it and in turn, they would post some info. too. Sorry if I come across as rude or bossy (definately NOT my intention), but just trying to encourage posts for "all" to see. Thanks! Happy poking! ;)
Chikan,
I'm with you! I we don't share we all lose in the long run. No offence taken by me I thought you were spot on not rude.
Summiteer
Yes! I have made my travel arrangements for my holiday in Saigon December 19th and can't wait! On all my previous visits I've found the Vietnamese people to be friendly funloving hosts and so many of the Vietnamese girls are drop dead gorgeous! Although you might think that mongering opportunities in a communist country would be severely limited, the variety of venues to "meet" women are mindblowing, you just have to look a little harder. From massage parlours, to karaoke bars, to straight up bj bars you really have quite the selection. Although I personally enjoy going to night clubs and discos to meet women I have checked out several massage parlours and I can say that if you get past the language barrier service is on par with any establishment in my hometown (Vancouver) and at a fraction of the cost. It's definitely a little slice of heaven and I would totally recommend that if any of you have the opportunity to visit to take it.
Hey Summiteer and Jason, we should get together when we're over there and have a beer somewhere, I've got first round ;-)
Wild Child,
I'm stuck in Saigon for a week, and don't like it. Then again I'm coming from Thailand. You mentioned there are actually BJ bars here? I find Vietnam such a controlled and unpleasant place, and a BJ bar would sure help me get through this weeklong exile. Where are they? That type of quicky sounds good because you can't bring girls back to your hotel room here, and besides, the girls here tend to be very pricey, so maybe a BJ woud be more economical.
It is not a good time for girl hunting as the Commie is trying to make VN look good during the SEA GAMES. Even Vietnamese like me had a hard time getting laid couple weeks ago. Many girls are too careful and afraid of police . I fucked a girl in a massage parlor and she kept watching the window to make sure no body was watching. I got distracted and could not come after more than 30 minutes of hard fucking!
After the Games things may be better .
Wild Child,
"You have mail" - check your Private Messages box... cheers!
Chikan
Opebo,
Give Monkey Bar a try. It's on the opposite side of the square across from I believe the Caravelle. I've gotten lucky there before but be careful because as is usually the case there are hustlers. If you're from BKK I'm sure I don't need to tell you this. They might not be so friendly if the case is as James Tran says it is. I've noticed that LE in Saigon usually enforce in waves and when they are cracking down everything shuts down but it's business as usual once the heat dies down.
Chikan, thanks for the PM. Nice to see another good BC boy on the forum!
When do the Asean Games end. And does anyone have a list of 'girl friendly' hotels etc in HMC?
I'm looking for a good first there :)
Thanks for the tip Wild Child.
I was in that area tonight, but hadn't read your post yet. I went to a similar bar very nearby on Hai Ba Trung, though I don't remember the bar name. I had stuck my head in a few bars and bargained and questioned. I got all sorts of eye-popping prices, from $50 to $60 for the girl, and usually they said the room somewhere would be another $20. So I walked on. The bar I finally sat down in and ordered a Coke (20,000 dong) was pushy as well - the first girl said nothing whatsoever to me except 'you buy me one drink now?'. I kept just replying 'no' and finally she left. The second girl to approach was 30ish, nice looking but older than I'm used to. But also nice curves and larger breasts than I'm used to in Thailand. Friendly, with no constant demands for a drink, and a little rubbing of the opebo dong. After much bargaining, we agreed on BJ upstairs for 250,000 dong and one 50,000 dong lady drink. Upstairs she gave decent head, but as usually I couldn't come that way, so I proposed intercourse. She was very nervous about that - upstairs they only have a pooltable and some chairs, and anyone can come in. She wouldn't do it so I offered more money for extra service. We settled on 500,000 and one more lady drink. Then she climbed on top and worked it slowly in, with no annoying request for a condom. She moved very nicely, and I sucked her nipples while she rode. After a short, awkward, but fun time in the straitbacked chair, I finished inside her. The total cost for the evening's fun was 625,000 dong, say about $41. So though it was fun I think I'll be waiting till I get back to Thailand for more - it is just too expensive here. I would advise anyone who can to avoid Vietnam - its a ripoff.
One more Saigon report, probably my last as I fly out in a few hours. I had resolved to save my money till back in Thailand, but for several days past a girl had flirted with me in the local internet cafe near my hotel. Very cute and busty. Well last night she was there again wearing a particularly cleavage-revealing top, and I proposed we go to my hotel. Flatteringly, she seemed to assume I might not be a monger (we were in a 'backpacker' area). She stressed she was a 'taxi girl', and had to be paid - apparently thought I might be one of the young and foolish backpackers who might think they'd get some for free! (Opebo has no delusions in that area). In the end we went to a 150K dong short time hotel - the night man at my hotel had told me he would accept no less than a $15 bribe to let me bring a girl in. I think he was dissappointed I never took him up on it. Anyway, this girl was fun and pleasant, though her skill and service level was far below what I'm used to in Thailand, and the price was high - 700K dong. I probably could've bargained lower but chose instead to insist on bareback - apparently not hard to get here, but it takes some persuading. Overall, not a bad experience. Vietnam is a poor mongering destination, but it is possible to have decent, though overpriced, fun if you have to be here for some other reason. Its really too bad the country isn't more developed for our hobby as the girls are very hot and an interesting change from Thai/Philippina Malay type.
Hey Opebo,
Please be sensitive about the AIDS epidemic. At least have a courage to wear a condom (yes, I know it makes you less sensitive and enjoyable). Yuck! I can't believe well-informed people like you can do such thing! Girls in third world country are so poor and illiterate but , oh my god people like you have the gut to fuck a girl without having any condoms. I just can't fucking believe it! Man, the AIDS epidemic loves someone like you.
Don't you know about 90% of...
JT
With all due respect Opebo you got ripped off BIG BIG TIME. Those may be tricky asking prices but VND650000-700000 for "ST" sex in Viet Nam is outrageously high and continues to ruin the scene when guys like you (who it seems should no better) pay it! The standard going rate for any kind of sex (BJ/FS) in HCM City is VND200000-300000 ST tip with young, fine performers. You paid a "LT" price and around 2.5 times the real rate which can often be bargained down or at least found elsewhere at a variety of venues.
If you pay 1000 baht for Thailand ST sex do you feel it's OK? Maybe it is, but some decent freelancers along Pattaya beach road can be gotten for B300-500 or B500-700 at places like Thermae in BKK. BTW, the going rate at many cafe oms and hot tocs in relatively off the beaten track parts is around VND100000 to as low as VND30000 - what most horny Vietnamese men pay everyday living in the dirt poor Socialist Republic. Enjoy Thailand!
Asiaphile,
My ability to avoid being ripped off is not that great. I'm naturally very cheap, which helps a lot, but its no substitute for knowledge. I don't know much about Vietnam - though I repeatedly scoured this board for information and posted requests for same.
The key difference that I saw was that in Thailand, and some other places, prostitution is fairly common, open, and easy to find, even 'in your face', so one can shop around. I never saw anything like that in Saigon - just a very few discrete, almost hidden bars which all consistently quoted high prices, and no freelancers anywhere. Finding a prostitute seemed like finding a needle in a haystack compared to say Bangkok or Pattaya. So as far as I could tell my choice was between paying a high price or doing without - and for me the two girls I had in 7 days was, relatively speaking, doing without.
Maybe there are some secret areas that have freelancers, or maybe bars for locals, or some such thing. Apparently in China people have sex in hair salons. The point I'm making here is that being relatively good at bargain hunting in Thailand does nothing to prepare the monger for cracking tougher, more 'underground' nuts like Vietnam.
Perhaps a posting or two from apparently knowledgeable members such as yourself would help. Where are these 'off the beaten track' 'cafe oms' or 'hot tocs'. And what the devil are cafe oms or hot tocs anway? The Thailand board is full of copious information, but there's little or nothing in the Vietnam board. If regulars wish to prevent overpaying and preserve good prices, they should supply some information!
Staying at the Sheraton for 2 weeks in Jan/2004. Looking for some places within short walking distance.
Any helpful hints would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Dave.
Cont. the thread...
New Sheraton HCMC - Bad choice IMO. Not guest friendly like all the overpriced luxury JV or govt owned hotels.
Yes, VN requires a lot of specialized knowledge as it's not a user friendly mongering destination compared to Thailand, etc. I could go on for hours on the subject to enlighten many here but...
Over the years the best sources for VN nightlife info I've found besides this forum (which is spotty on VN) are:
Elephantguide.com (Vietnam) - A good list of clubs, etc. but seems to have not been updated in the past few months.
groovysaigon.com - Apparently no longer updated but worth a look.
vnrealty.com/nt - Lots of great stuff on Nha Trang plus other parts of VN.
Also - There's a couple VN language online sites that touch on nightlife but seem to especially stay on top of any vice crackdowns. Very valuable info for any one who can read it.
Hopefully, there's more decent VN nightlife resources not on this list that others can add.
[blue]Gentlemen,
This may come as a surprise to some of you, and please don't take this the wrong way, but you can not use my forum to promote a competing forum.
If you have info, then post it here.
Thanks,
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I'd not recommend anything to people without any understanding of the AIDS virus and who loves to fuck anything can walk in third world countries without wearing any protection. As Opebo is so cheap he probably doesn't want to fuck (or he can't afford) any girls in the US so we are safe from him here. But showing him around how to get girls in third world countries is like arming him with a deadly nuclear bomb.
I am sorry but I have to be straight foeward with people like him who has no conscience what he could do to others. I am suspicious that he is an HIV carrier who just wants to gives it to other innocent people to .. revenge someone gave it to him . Am I right , Opebo? I hope you'd disappear from this forum for good!
I am telling you now, I'll ask Vietnamese police to track you and get you in prison for doing such dangerous act. Shame on you man!
Asiaphile,
Those sites you mentioned either had nothing on the subject of where to find prostitutes, or said it was difficult and expensive - quote 'not like Vietnam's neighbors'. And one was a pay site - no thanks. Why do you decline to 'enlighten many here'? Your choice, but if we ignorantly go and overpay in Vietnam, driving up your prices, don't complain.
Many people have mentioned to me that the Sheraton is not a good place to stay for various reasons. Unfortunately, work is sending me to Saigon so I have no choice but to stay there.
I don't want to bring anyone back to the hotel. Looking more for places near by I can walk to between meetings. Ideal would be a good massage places that offer extras beyond HJs.
Thanks,
Dave.
Hi Wild child,
I flew home to the UK from Vancouver yesterday - If I had read you post properly before I would have left a message. Will arrive in HCM on Friday and be around for a couple of days. Would be great to meet up & jason if you are around.
Do you know HCM ? - Do you want to suggest a good bar?
Fun in the sun soon.
Stay happy all,
Summiteer
Gentlemen.
This might be off topic but has anyone come across disco's, bars, etc. where non P4P girls/ladies spend their free time ? I personally like to mix it up a bit, thanks.
I need help. Last HCM visit wsa great except for hotel issues. I knew bringing a girl home by cyclo from AN at midnight was pressing my luck! Anyway, the normal extra room charges and police visits took away from the experience. I arrive this time somewhere around mid january. Anyone got a contact for serviced apartment or non govenment hotel? 2 persons, 2 rooms 4 nights.
Thanks.
I was in Saigon recently and wanted to post my take on a few bars I visited. But first things firtst, Vietnam in my opinion is the best kept secret in whole of South East Asia. Food, people, city everything is just so pleasant (except for traffic). I haven't seen so many bikes in my life. It was all like a river of bikes on the streets which not too many have traffic lights. Driving is a mere impossibility. Anyway back to bar reviews:
After 5: Westernised, expat joint. There were only a few expats when I went there. All very friendly. Girls are strategically located on the other side of the bar. Very relaxed atmosphere and a good place to have a chat.
Blue Gekko: Another expat bar in central Saigon. But this was more crowded compared to After 5 and average age was lower as well (30's). Highlight is the newsletter posted in men's toilet. Hilarious stuff. Don't miss it!
49 & 51: Located right next to each other. Unlike the previous 2, these were pure girlie bars. You will have to buy a drink or two for your companions (VD 50,000 = USD 3) for their time. Very friendly but beware of what you are charged. It might be a good idea to pay right after every round rather accumulating on a tab. My personal preferance was 49 but of course that is a hugely personal subjective choice.
Apocalypse Now: Mecca for mongers. I think every monger should pay a visit to this place. Good music but a bit too loud. Good crowd. And most important of all, very very good looking girls. Although the asking prices are higher than any other place I have been to. I have even been quoted USD 50 for an hour which of course is way too high. I have pulled out a cutie with a die-for body and face for VD 500k for 2 hours (USD 30) which may be already higher than local expat standards. However, there is a catch. The hotels are not girl friendly and you will have to get a room in a mini-hotel which costs another VD 300k. Do not take the taxis waiting right outside Apocalypse as they will rip you off like noone's business. Walk 50 m and get another of the street.
I have also been to a few really seedy establishments but can't even remember their names.
I had a fantastic time in Saigon and can't wait until I get back...
NC
Great post no_commit. You are correct about not taking taxis immediately outside of the AN, or any bar for that matter, always do as you suggested and walk a bit before getting a cab. Another suggestion, never have a cabbie/cyclo drop you off in front of your hotel, they will will wait and hound you everytime you leave the place. Another thing, never ask anyone on the street for help in where to find something to buy or a place to eat, many times they will steer you to where they will get a kickback on a deal.
I am posting this to get an update on the Monger scene from some of the lads out there hunting. I haven't been to Sgn. for three years, and I was starting to get worried by some of the posts as it seemed that the scene had changed a lot since I was last there.
I was never a big fan of AN, as a matter of fact, if you play your cards right you can do well for yourself in the discos. But here is a trick for the first-timers at AN: When you go to the place for the first time, just hang out, and wait, you will notice a circle of girls forming around you waiting to be approached. Act somewhat naive, and when you start to chat up a girl and she asks you, "Have you ever been here", say "no". She is trying to figure out if you know what kind of bar it is. If you say that you haven't been there, she might think that you don't know she is a pro. Act like your looking for a girlfriend, and you might walk out with pussy for the cost of just a few drinks and the effort of slow dancing.
It is best to identify a ST (short time) hotel beforehand (any suggestion for District 1?) and go straight there, that way she will not know which hotel you are staying at and she will not bug you the next day. And the last thing, don't buy into her "I'm so poor line". If she thinks that your a nice guy and gives it up for free, she is only doing so because she thinks that your a chump, and ripe for a bigger take, like a steady flow of money, or worse yet (gulp), marriage.
Any place in Saigon that offers table-showers? Or a place where a girl will shower with you?
Thanks,
Dave.
Hey Summiteer,
I'm in SGN right now and would love to meet up for a beer or whatever just PM me. There are plenty of good bars in this town but the only problem is that you should head out a little earlier than you're probably used to since the government has decreed that all establishments be closed at 12 pm every night. You can find all sorts of bars from high end catering mostly to foreigners (Sheraton, Saigon Saigon at the Caravelle), Hostess bars (Maxim's, Catwalk, Pinnacle), local bars (131), and a whole lot of seedy hole in wall type places. It really depends what sort of scene you're looking for.
Sir Asian, I'm like you in the fact that I enjoy mixing things up a bit and since I'm a young buck, freebies aren't out of the question. And who doesn't love a freebie? I'd suggest trying out Liquid or Rainforest Disco, the quality of girls is usually excellent. It's more of a local crowd so if you're looking for Vietnamese girls that's my personal choice.
XXXCEO I'm staying at the Windsor Saigon and have had a great experience. It's quite a nice place and well-run. And I haven't had any problems with girls. They just have to leave their ID at the front desk before they go upstairs, and depending on who's working the night shift, you might not even have to pay extra. You can PM me if you want more info or assistance.
I'll try to post some more but I've been having so much fun being a dog out here that it might be a while before I get back on a computer. All I can say is "I'm loving it."
Hi to all, and Merry Xmas...
just one quick point I wanted to make about bringing girls back to your hotel in Saigon:
I remember when I went there my hotel also prohibited girls from staying overnight, but, they were permitted there between 10am-10pm.
So, if I met a girl in the bar, I'd give her some money to stop by my hotel the next day for some lunch, swimming, and some action.....etc.. The girls always wanted to stay around all day. Then we usually went out to a disco together later on when she supposed to be out of the hotel.
They would have to leave their passports or ID at the front desk, but, I never had a problem bringing a girl up to my room for a while. I found this to much safer, and quite enjoyable. (I have always been a little worried of those 2hr Love-hotels. I don't like going into any unknown room after having a few beers with my money and my pants down at my ankles).
cheers.
Lalake
Checked out some bars in town and agree with the description below of the Monkey Bar: the women hit you up for drinks right away and if you refuse they just walk away. U2 was better and two lovelies were all over me and at least stayed after me when I didn't buy them a drink at their first request.
I went to the "Thai Massage" place right across the street from the Sheraton. It isn't really a Thai massage, though, rather an oil massage (down naked). $8 for 1 hour, $15 for 2. The woman offered a BJ at an outrageous price ($100) and I bargained for a more reasonable HJ although I still overpaid. But I am only in town for a day and don't have the time for shopping around. Nonetheless, her technique was excellent.
Well JPF, I say as long as you found something which worked out for you it's all good.
You should have checked out Liberty which is right next door. I met a girl there that I ended up staying with for 10 days out of my 2 week trip. Which now that I think about it is insane, considering the ridiculous amount of frighteningly gorgeous women that I could and usually am hooking up with every time I'm over there. Oh well, no regrets right? Well I'm regretting the fact that I'm back to work and freezing my ass off. I really wish I never left.
Hi guys,
I just wanted to post my experience of Saigon/HCMC back in January of 2001. It was my first mongering experience and I had 2 girls on 2 consecutive nights.
Staying in a regular hotel on vacation. Keep in mind I am a Viet Kieu (Vietnamese born in US). I come out of the hotel late at night to catch a couple drinks. This pimp was also there having some drinks himself. Talked to him a little bit. Eventually, I asked him to get me a girl.
We hop on his moped and go off to a hooker-friendly hotel. He drives off to get a girl for me. I do not recommend this if you are not familiar with Viet Nam or do not have an understanding of the country as it can be dangerous.
A girl comes in a couple minutes later. She showed her ID to the hotel and we proceed to go upstairs. She goes into the shower to undress and reappears in a white towel. We go at it in multiple positions and finish off with doggie. What a tight, tight pussy. Never will be the same in America :)
The second girl experience was at the same hotel. Originally, I came there that night to get the same girl I had the other night. Turns out she left back to her home and so the pimp offers another girl. I initially declined, but stopped them as the pimp was driving her back.
Pretty much the same experience as the first. I'll never forget that first experience. I believe I paid 200,000 for 1 hour for each girl. I tipped the first girl, as she was more friendly and GFE-like.
I returned home the day after that. Will probably come back sometime soon. Hope the action is still hot there ;)
Hi,
In march I will stay in the Grand Hotel District 1.
Is this hotel girl friendly?
I am looking for a good a-go-go club, because I want to go there with my girlfriend - she likes asians, too.
Or if no a-go-go (like Thailand) exists, do you know a clean night-club/bar or massage location, where I can bring my girlfriend in?
Do you know a clean short-time hotel in District 1?
Thank you very much!
Greetings from Germany,
Turbo Carl
hi,
i'm going to saigon next week, where can i find a good sw? is it safe and ok to bring her back to the hotel? what is the prize for st and all night?
i'm white, european, can that give any problems at the hotel if i have a girl with me?
do the girls speek any english?
i hope somebody can give me some help,
thanks
bluewolf
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WIld Child you are the best. Windsor hotel worked out great, get double rooms,you can bring in girls no problem, after 10 p.m. as well. They even let gest return at 5 a.m. Thanks again. Paid $46 including all taxes, a little steep but again absolutely no grief. When we have stayed in $!6 a night hotels seemed like too much grief with authorities..
AS re: AN I have been here before, in my opinion talent getting a little old. Incredibly crowded on weekend. Candidly, we found it as good to just show up 15 mintues before closing and hang outside. Local little bars with pool tables much much better. ALso others experiences with just meeting locals during the day and making dates works if you want to invest the time.
Wild Child thanks again!
Liberty: What is this place? Is it a parlor? Cafe?
Thanks,
Dave.
No problem xxx,
Always happy to help out fellow mongers. I totally agree with you, I'd rather spend a little extra money and be able to relax and really enjoy myself. I don't see any need to spend time in a foreign prison, especially one in a communist country. Yeah, I personally stay away from AN now unless I'm showing a friend around town and it's their first trip. The way I see it, I already meet enough expats through business functions and if you're on holiday in a foreign country, you really should absorb some of the local culture. Plus the locals really know how to party, it's crazy.
Davedave: Liberty is a hostess bar. It might not be your cup of tea but if you're sick of partying and you just want to chill out and have a few casual drinks, you might as well have some cuties cuddling you right?
Blue Wolf: You can find SW's all over HCM City. There are hostess bars, massage parlours, even pros hanging out at nightclubs. I've been eating at roadside restaurants after the bars closed for the night and had girls approach me. If you are staying at a foreign chain hotel (Sheraton, Caravelle, etc.) they won't hassle you but they are quite a bit more expensive. I would not suggest bringing girls back to the government hotels (the government tourism board: Saigontourist has a pretty good monopoly on hotels and even a lot of the shops that cater to tourists.) I don't think your race has much bearing on the matter if you're staying at a decent hotel, they either will hassle you or they won't. The only problem I can foresee with your skin colour would be if you chose to go to a local mini-hotel where they would try to fleece you for whatever you have. English speaking would really depend upon where you're picking girls up. On the street I'd say you've got a 20% chance of some english, most hostess bars have a mamasan that speaks english and you can just ask her to find a girl who speaks english. You can go through the forum to get an idea of prices.
Turbo Carl: I'm sorry to report that the Grand Hotel is not so grand... I also believe that it's a Saigontourist hotel. You're also out of luck on the go go bars. The Vietnamese government would never grant a business license for anything like that. You can always check out bars, nightclubs, and massage parlours depending on what you're looking for. I don't know if your girlfriend would find a happy ending at a massage parlour though, I find that the Vietnamese girls aren't really big on the girl-girl action. I've only been able to pull a threesome in Saigon twice. Nothing like Thailand or Cambodia where I've had as many as 8 going at a time.
Thanks Wild Child.
A few more questions regarding Liberty:
- Am I expected to "buy out" a lady and take her with me?
- Can I get "extras" in the bar?
- How much should I expect to spend?
I'll be staying at the Sheraton for business so Liberty will definately be a place I check out.
Thanks,
Dave.
Wild Child,
Thanks for the info.
I will stay at Saigon Pink Hotel, I guess it's a privat hotel, so laither I will find out if it's a girlfriendly hotel.
I will write a post abouth my (un)luck, but VN sounds a lot less girlfriendly than China.
BlueWolf
No problem Blue Wolf. If the hotel is privately owned you shouldn't have any problems especially if you slip the guy working the night shift at the desk some cash. And I think you'll be pleasantly surprised with the Viet girls, they're very friendly and a lot of them are stunners. Have fun buddy!
Dave, I would suggest that once you get inside you ask to speak with Mamasan. There are 2 of them, the senior one speaks passable English and she's very good at taking care of good clients. Just tell her what sort of girl you're looking for but make sure to tell her you want one that will go home with you. She'll also let you know prices if you ask her. There are a couple of girls that just work as hostesses and live off tips without going home with guys. This was the case with the girl that I hooked up with but we hit it off pretty good so we just arranged to hook up during the day. You never know, freebies are always a possibility. The cover charge is 70 000-100 000 VND depending on the night and you usually tip the girls 200 000 if you don't want to take them home. I usually find that my tab is way more than whatever I give the girls and I tip pretty good. They love me there because I'm a good-looking drunk..... I guess extras inside are a possibility but I really doubt it, it's not really a sleazy joint. There are a couple spots like Monkey Bar where that goes down but they tend to be pretty trashy places.
Hope that helps you out.
As has been reported here before Monkey Bar likes to play tricks on unsuspecting tourists and is basically a rip off. There are many similar "juicer bars" in and around Hai Ba Trung Street area but it's one of the worst. Shit, it's located directly around the corner from the ridiculous super luxury Caravelle Hotel - so what do you expect! Liberty has never appealed to me either. U2 is one of the better ones as several have agreed. Since the HCMC police goons no doubt monitor this forum I think it's best not do discuss details about specific venue services and especially girl friendly private hotels. There are several very worthwhile hostess bars in HBT area but you have to get around and inspect them. Some definitely have on premisis BJ or FS but everyone needs to be discrete. I don't know what the previous post about 70-100K cover charge is all about since there's never such a charge in the dozen or more bia om in this area - unless you're being ripped off. Maybe he means a freelancer bar like AN with its door cover. Yes, mamasan will want around 200K to "buy out" one of her hostess girls which is equivalent to around 5-6 "lady drinks." The suggestion about meeting up discretely with a girl the next day is often the way to go or try for on premisis sex. Again, all very discretely with a tip to the girl of 200K (BJ) 300K (FS) max. with no need to pay mamasan for such a quick ST. Enjoy HCMC, but shop around and shop smart.
I'll tell you how to get lay cheap ... in Saigon (hey I don't call SG HCMC because I am a Southerner.)
Be friend to any "Xe tho" drivers, ask them where to get lay and they will take you there with the cost of a long ride (~ 35,000) . I tried this and fucked a stunner for 100,000 . Amazingly, she did "fire and ice" which I just know only being offered in China thanks to a recent trip. I forgot the place as it is in the outskirt of SG and very hard to find.
I stayed in a hotel close to center of SG for 200,000/night owned by Korean called xxxx (I can't tell you). There were 2 policemen guarding cross the street. Thay continued watching the whole day and maybe night. So I tipped the bellboy to get girls for me. They did it for me free of charge but I did not have a chance to know how the girls looked like. Well, I fucked 2 girls like this, they both above average, in two days and each girl cost me $30 for 2 shots. The problem is you have to bargain hard to get what you want. They normally don't speak English at all.
I found a straight strip club link side to Viet Nam (Saigon) with four adresses.
Does someone know the locations? What goes off there?
Bar Thien Thanh
24 Chan Maul Diel
Ho Chi Minh City
Cosy Corner Pub
74A P1 Hai Ba Trung Street District 1
Ho Chi Minh City
Miss Saigon
74A1 Hai Ba Trung St
Ho Chi Minh City
Thien Dang Paradise
74 / 6 Hai Ba Trung St
Ho Chi Minh City
Thank you in advance.
Wild Child,
Thanks for your information. I am in contact with the Grand Hotel ... it ist possible to take a lady up to the room. The only condition is however that my wife goes first with girl into the room. I can follow then. Do you know a good massage parlours with many beatiful girls to choose?
i am in hcmc and this place doenst seem to be as blatant about its sextrade as other asian countries. if i were to just have time for one experience in vietnam, can anyone recommend something?
Buzz,
Try the Maxim Club in 1st district. The club is owned by a Vietnamese-American musician. He plays there everynight. All the girls there are top notch. Hand picked by him. I'm very picky and I have to say that I haven't seen a bad looking one yet and I have been there many occasions. They all wear cocktail dresses or miniskirts. They don't get pay to work there. All their earnings come from tips and bang sessions. Hang out there for a night or two and tip them nicely. Once they get to know you and feel comfortable they will leave the club with you afterward. Be patient,the reward will indeed be very nice. All these girls are top quality. They can be models.
If you can't wait,go down a couple of blocks. On your right hand side there is a big hotel. Make a right on Mac Thi Buoi Street to Thang Long Hotel. Thang Long Hotel is on your left hand side as you're walking down. There's a guy there infront of the hotel with a sanwich cart. He's normally there between 7pm-4 am. Ask him discreetly. He doesn't want to get into trouble. He's been selling there for over 30 years so nothing that's going on in that area can pass him. Or have a translator ask him where to find girls. He'll ask one of the taxis or bikes to go get them for you. But tell him I sent you so he won't feel so awkward. Tell him you know me. He calls me "Cong Tu Bac Lieu" . And if you're hungry,have some of the sanchiches he sells, the best that I've ever eaten in Vietnam and the States. Also, if you get sanwiches make sure to tip him so he will put more meat in there and fresh not day old. Do not pay more than $30 (approx. 450,000 vd ) for an all nighter . Thang Long Hotel is guest friendly with a $5 charge and she must have an ID. It is for your protection. Don't go to the girl's place. You might get set up and robbed. I have seen it happened to tourists who don't speak the language.
Next to Thang Long Hotel is a bar. You can get those girls to leave too but they charge $100 plus bar fine. Don't ever pay those prices. Those girls mainly target unsuspecting Russians, French, and Americans(White boys). That is too much in Vietnam. For a 100 bucks, you can get the girls from Maxim Club with top quality. Trust me, once you go to that club you do not want any other girls. They deserve every penny of it. Along that street and around the corner there are also other bars with girls in them. The majority of them will want $100 because you're not Vietnamese.
Note: Do not pick up any girls on the streets nor any girls under 21. Most of them are strung out on heroine. Big cities, lots of drugs and deseases. And always use condoms unless you're way down south of the country where there are no tourists and the girls are not exposed to foreingers with deadly deseases such as HIV.
Be safe and have fun!
Hi all,
My 10 days in Saigon is finished, so I will post what I found out abouth the town.
It is easy to find girls if you know where to look, it's not so open as other asien countries.
The best place I found was in the kissing bar's, and U2 is very good.
Do not and I know some already told me that but DO NOT sai yes to the girls on a moterbike at night time who ask you to go for massage!! it's very dangerus, I am a big man who can take care of my self so I only wasted some time.
I met the most beautifuld girl ever in asia, and I have been in asia more or less for 7 years and she was not a SW so no info on her, she is only my.
Enjoy Vietnam, maybe the best country in asia and the most beautifuld girls.
BlueWolf
BlueWolf,
Is it possible to bring in my wife to the "kissing bars" and "U2"?
What kind of bar are this, like bars in Thailand?
Were can we go with a bar girl, have they rooms in the bars, or a nearby short-time hotel?
Could you send me the adresses of the locations?
Thank you in advance,
TurboCarl
Hey Poon Searcher,
Great report, thanks. Is Maxim's on Dong Khoi, next to the Majestic?
Poon,
Your description of Maxim sounds too tempting. I gotta check it out when I'm there next month.
Kinda sad but I've been in and out of HCMC for the last 5 years and never took the chance of getting some side action. An incident that occurred in '99 got the worse of me and I never thought about it since then.
I got to HCMC for the first in December of '99 and was really looking forward to my stay, girls et all. Stayed with a buddy of mine who rented a "townhouse'' on Le Than Ton (more like off to the side streets). Anyway, the house next door was also a bunch of foreigners and suffice to say, on the 2nd night I was there, we had just gotten back from a club when we noticed our neighbors hanging outside. It's almost 4 a.m. and they're having a smoke looking a tad nervous about something. It turns out that two of the guys had brought back pros from some club and for some reason, the beat cops (that's what I call the buggers walking the beat swinging their clubs back and forth) 'raided' their place. Cut a long story short, the 2 guys had to pay their way out of it. Anyway, that freaked me out 'cos I'd been told that it has happened in the past but usually at some motel.
Opportunities arised on several occasions but I didn't have the f--cking balls for it. For one reason or another, I felt like we were being watched almost every evening there.
Anyway, I promised to pamper myself to death when I got back to Bangkok but instead got curios about Hanoi so we headed up there for my last 3 days. Oi, what a brilliant move that was. On the first day there, we met up with some friends of friends who offered to play guides during our short stay. The one female is a foreigner but she had already made a name for herself in Hanoi. Seeing that there's these desperate tourists, she offered to take us clubbing with some friends at Apocalypse. I was introduced to this petite Hanoi beauty who spoke brilliant English and who turned out to be one of the new upcoming young female entreprenuers in Hanoi. We hit it off from the get-go and suffice to say, I woke up with a smile on my face. She was caliente and take my word when I say I lucked out big time. I am comparing her to the women I know from the 13 years I've spent in the fashion industry in NYC. Stuff like this happens only once in my lifetime.
The thing is I ain't no stud but I noticed that the women there (the ones we were introduced to anyway) took a liking to foreigners. I asked her about it and she replied stating that there is a large number of very successful young female entreprenuers in Hanoi those days and that most are not a tad bit interested in the local VN guys. So, whenever they get a chance to hook up with a foreigner, they'll jumped at it. Ask my buddy; he got screwed once too many times. By the time we got back to HCMC for my flight out, he needed a vacation just to recover from that vacation.
Anyway, fast forward years later. I still keep in touch with her and she's doing far better than she ever did. Thing is I got married last year and she's re-acting to that. I guess it's time to 'look' elsewhere for my next trip next month. That's why I'm back on this board snooping around for the first time since I did years ago.
I've been so focused with spending time with her in mostly HCMC the last few trips that I never noticed changes around me. I work during the days and see her in the evenings. Simple and pleasant with no worries.
That said, I'm enjoying reading the threads here and 'listening' to your experiences. Picked up a few good points so I'm looking forward to this upcoming trip in a different light.
If anyone's gonna be in town at the same time, feel free to drop me a line. Beers on me. I'll be in HCMC from the 10th to 19th March.
T.-
Templar,
Your incident in 99 does happen occasionally. Very rare . Every once in awhile the cops will do a sweep. The best solution to that is stay in a smaller hotel. Those hotels do payoff the cops a hefty sum every month. That's not including gifts for Chinese New Year,Christmas, and etc. Or the owner has very close ties with top government officials.
If a sweep ever come up,the cops will notify them and they will notify you. That is why some hotels on the day of the sweep will ask you to have 2 rooms just in case there is a sweep in the middle of the night. One for you and one so the girl can run over to during a sweep. When it's over she can come back into your room. I usually stay at "Thang Long Hotel" whenever I'm in Saigon. I never had a problem. Get a suite for only $40 a night. It's not luxurious but comfortable enough. The staff and the owner(Kim) are very nice and pleasant to deal with. They also speak some English. And if you ever get into trouble with the cops,the almighty $50 or $100 will get you out of it.
As for sussessful women wanting foreingers. It's true . Most of those women belongs to a class(family) that has ties with the communists. There are lots of locals guys that are very successful. And I mean filthy rich in terms of USD mostly in the millions and a few in the 100s of millions and billions.
Most of those women have studied abroad and came back to run the family business. Why not a male in the family? Because it is alot easier for a woman to con a foreinger to marry her or the family will pay for her sort of marriage. Once she has legal status in another country which has a stable economy they will try to sponsor other family members and eventually move some of their assets away from the eyes of greedy government officials. It is not easy to be successful in Vietnam without any connections. Not just the industry you're in but the government itself. Not knowing the right people in the government and having deep pockets ,you'll never get the proper license(s) for the type of establishment you pursue. If your family had ties with the former South Vietnamese government,then forget about success. It's almost impossible. H..l,my cousins have been trying to get jobs with the govenment for years and they have been denied every time because their father was a General for the South Vietnamese government. Alot of American-Vietnamese have returned in search of fortune but the vast mojority have failed miserably due to lack of proper connections.
Mag,
I'm not too good with street names but I believe it is next to the Majestic Hotel but I'm not exactly sure. If the Majestic Hotel is right across the street from "Bach Dang" harbor then it is right next to it. Ask any cab drivers they will tell you. That club has been there since the glorious days of the South.
Go in and go upstairs to the second floor. The first floor is the restaurant. The second floor is the club. There is a cover charge of if I remember correctly 50,000 vd which is approximately 4 usd. I never pay that because the waiters know me and I tip them all at the end of the night which amount to alot more than what the cover charge is.
Poon,
Thanks for the tip on Thang Long Hotel. I'll check it out.
As for the women having connection to the communists. Very true. My friend's family was. And as for the rich guys, once again you hit the nail on its head, bro. Filthy is an understatement.
And yeah, my Viet-Kieu friends are having a difficult time breaking through. If you don't mind me saying this, you sound like a Viet Kieu yourself 'cos foreigners don't usually know these things unless....
Did you check LIQUID (club) out? How is it doing? I was last there in July and my friend turns out to be the manager. Hadn't seen this guy in over 20 years. There were loads of beauties around then.
BTW, are you in VN right now?
Temp,
Yes I am . Have lived in the States since I was 6 years old.
For the last couple of years whenever I'm in Saigon I normally go to Maxim everynight after a message session. God, those girls at some of the hotels give killer messages especially when they walk on your back and you can hear your spine crack from top to bottom. If you haven't tried that yet,I suggest you do. A full hour message plus a hand job for about 20-25 usd and that's including tip. And if you want more you can always ask for the girl's cell number. Some will ,and some would just stick with the messages. Ask the guys on the motorbikes to take you to the ones that is away from the tourist area. The girls in those hotels tend to do a better job than the ones in the tourist area.
I have been going to Vietnam every year since 96 normally for the month of March . Usually the first week is in Thailand,second week in Saigon,and the rest way down south of the country for the rest of the time (this is where you get the non-pros and semi pros with no deceases). This year I have some business to take care of at the beginning of March. Also this last March when I was there,the weather was really beginning to bother me. Too damn hot and too damn humid! Also the scenery is starting to get old for me. So I'm thinking of heading to Brazil or Argentina, or Costa Rica this time. Latin women, doesn't matter where I've been but I just have to crawl back to them.:)
Was in HCMC last year November.
I always stay at the New World Hotel. Nice , in the center of the city. SW are there wnen you walk out. They normally ask for $100 USD. Did not mind them instead went to Catwalk. A High-end Disco with more than 100 mouth watering beautiful women. None for the taking, though. SW with a friend approach me and and asked for $100. I was not interested. She had a 9 look, 20 years old, but she was just an inch taller than a hobbit when she takes off her 6 inch heels. To turn her off I said $20 and she said, OK. High end Hotels in HCMC are very strict so we went short time and paid an additional $20 in a local hotel beside New World. OK sex but just tasting Viet meat. Viet girls being short have really small and tight pussy so its fun.
Will tell more later.
Common mistakes & lessons to be learned by horny foreigners traversing nightlife in Viet Nam:
1.) Incorrectly assuming the scene is user-friendly like Thailand or most other S.E. Asia venues is a BIG newbie mistake.
2.) Not realizing that The Socialist Republic is STILL a totalitarian police state with lots of undercover police, informants and other political/corrupt BS than can degenerate very badly at the mafia street level.
3.) Not knowing the REAL price, not bargaining, becoming another ruinious fool and rip-off victim in the local scene.
4.) FLASHING big cash, wearing expensive clothes, jewelry, etc. - especially a problem with way too many naive, foolish, arrogant Viet Kieu.
5.) NEVER fall for a VNese local who speaks English so well he can find, 'the best hotel deal, the best transportation, the best bar, the best girls, etc.' A VNese who intros any foreigner or local person for a service gets a minimum 20% cut from the service provider. In other words, avoid such everyday institutional rip-offs or scams!
6.) ST private mini hotels in VN are $3-$10 max. There are many tourist class private hotels in the $15-$25 range that are more likely decent LT choices. If a girl takes you to "her" ST mini hotel at $15-$20 you are simply paying her an add-on commission. Plus, in a worst case senerio it could be a staged robbery or shakedown since she may be in total control, not you.
7.) LUXURY hotels (4-5 star), similar STATE owned or JV hotels are NOT guest friendly. Again, there are many decent guest friendly options but they are always PRIVATELY owned accomodations.
8.) STUPID SEX: Falling victim to "hundred dollah" or even "fifty dollah" nonsense and not realizing that the standard "get laid" price all across VN is routinely VND100000-300000 ST. Certainly an average higher rate in HCM City - but anyone paying VND700000+ is simply ruining the scene for everyone else. The national GDP annual income is less than $500 to around $1000-1200 annual in HCM City. Punters should always engage in friendly negotiation and seek a variety of nightlife venues in Viet Nam.
9.) Because selling sex is highly illegal and stigmitized learning a bit of the VNese language, culture, customs, can go a long way to unlocking many inside secrets. Plenty of lovely young women are available for free or virtually free as eager love/sex companions for foreigners on holiday. Most local VNese young males are not seen as suitable partners because of their lack of income and economic upward mobility. A large number are street thugs and criminal scum.
10.) DO NOT put pics of girls or vital secret info on the internet as that poor Viet Nam individual or specific intity could be fined, imprisioned, sent off to reducation work camp, or worse, as such unwanted publicity can turn them into potential state or personal targets.
Copyright. The Erotic Traveler (TET) w/permission.
Priceless ;)
Thanks, Asiaphile.
Hi,
Can anyone recommend me some safe/secure hotels which are also "girl-friendly", in HCMC (Saigon). I'm going to spend 2 nites there.
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Hello, guys, I'm new here and went to HCMC in the beginning of Feb. Went to a lof of disco so let me tell you some my experiences.
About disco: I recommend you 3 discos in HCMC. The traits are followings.
1. Apocalxpse Now: Needless to say, this disco is popular among tourists and expats, so quite a lot chicks speak or communicate in English although very easy chatting something like what's your name? Where are you from? How old are you? Somes have more skills. Here, almost all girls are Working Ladies I think. If some pussycats who try to catch eye contact, are definetely WL. I could see some eye-catching chicks. But price is quite high, and the sad thing is they don't compromise the price, some ask US$100.
2. Liquid club: This disco is i think especially for local compared to AN. Because I couldn't come across foreigners when I visited there. But i think there are some freelance ladies, so tried to communicate with some chicks. The result was no one could understand English. The good thing was they welcomed donce with me with smile.
If you guys can speak Vietnamuse, I recommend this place rather than AN because the quality of chicks is hotter in Liquid.
3. Cau Lac Bo So 1: There are so many sexy chicks here although they are waitress, blooming with health and youth. I strongly reckon to be employed here as this waitress is very difficult and competitive because these chicks are tremendous beautiful. I think this disco is a bit exclusive one ad customers are high income vietnamese or expats. Every customer except us ordered bottle of whiskey and having a drink it with waitress. For a person who is on a budget! no need to worry about it, you can order your beer and ladys drink, so waitress come to your seat and can chat. But there is one big problem, every babes only can speak vietnamese. So I didn't know what happened after having a drink with waitress.
In conclusion, if you are seeking for feast your eyes, Do go to Cau Lac Bo so 1 without hesitation!
If you wanna bonk, go to Liquid in case you have a weapon of language.
The rest, go to AN!
Enjoy your hunting.
Pokochin
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Asiaphile,
Nice, thanks!
Last November was out with suppliers to an OK bar. Mamasan had special show for us. Pingpong shooting from pussy and the usual get the money from the bottle using the pussy gig. Girls were cute and wild. Expect no english at these places. One girl caught my eye. Probably French-Chinese-Vietnamese mix, in other words stunning. I was being polite to one of our guest so I gave him the first choice. Guess who he picked.?
Had a cute Vietnamese looking girl instead, an 8, but short. They said no problem to bring to New World, but I should go first. Went back to hotel and girl came 15 minutes later. She stayed for whole night sex. Was`surprised next morning when I woke up and opened the light. Girl looked like a minor which i did not notice the night before. I had too much drinks and it was kinda dark in the OK. Supplier said everything had been taken care of but I still gave the girl $10 next morning. She left early, before 6, probably to avoid too many people in the lobby.
Now, before leaving the bar, they were still "negotiating the price" of the stunner. Mamasan said she is a virgin and they were asking for $500. A fortune in Vietnam. Not sure how much our guest paid, but he was also able to bring the girl to New World. He had this really big smile next morning during breakfast.
Will be back In HCMC next month.
A French-Chinese-Vietnamese and virgin (at 17) is extremely hard or impossible to find in current Viet social culture/society. In another word I don't believe it and I think your friend was paying too much for a fake! There are a lot of stories about this problem in VN. There are plenty of crooks going after stupid foreigners (especially Taiwanese, Chinese businessmen who stupidly believe virgins bring luck to their business) with their make-believe virgins to get maximum profit. Knowledge is weapon, this is why I am warning all of you not to fall for this trick.
When I was young and still lived there, all the mixed race girls lost their virginity at around 14. In fact, my first girl friend did it with me when she was only 13. These girls have standing-out and different looks thanks to their Western blood, and are much more endowed than common Viet girls, you know.
Dog Day,
I think your article is a bull_shit made up story. Vietnam is not Thailand. Which bar in Vietnam has show "Pingpong shooting from pussy and the usual get the money from the bottle using the pussy gig." ?
C'mon, get real dude.
Hi,
I am next month in Saigon.
Does anyone knows a good, clean and saftely short time hotel in District 1?
Thank you very much in advance.
TurboCarl.
Ok guys,
I do not know the exact location of the bar.. its three blocks down from the park beside New World. Its a karaoke frequented by Mainland Chinese. First floor had aquariums and i thought it was a seafood restaurant. I was the only non-chinese in the room since my suppliers were from Shanghai.
If you do not believe my story thats fine. but its true. It was a semi-wild party that I myself can not believe happens in HCMC.
Picking up girls in HCMC. Around 10 p.m. I was in the Cantonese/ Teppanyaki restaurant just across the New World. ( You wont miss it as this in the other side from the park) and the waiter said if I wanted to play with a barbie girl. I have no idea what he meant, but just guess he was pimping, and I said yes. I asked him how much? He said $20. I asked him if the girl is pretty and he said sure because he said girl is his school-mate. This guy can speak broken English. Ok, I agreed. He said wait, so I had a beer in the restaurant. (I am sure the restaurant had nothing to do with this) The waiter was very discreet since this is probably just a side line of his. He gave me a signal when the girl arrived, so went out. Girl had a pretty face, definitely mixed, but like most girls in the city, quite short. We went to a hotel just beside the restaurant. Same hotel I went with the SW in previous story. This time they were asking for my passport but the girl talked to them in Vietnamese and finally setlted when i paid $20 for the room. Girl was definitely young with hardly no English. She had an adolescent body, almost hairless. Sex was not pleasurable at all. She just wanted it done , paid and so she can leave. gave her $20 after the deed.
I will go back to HCMC next month and probably will not go back to that hotel with a girl. As Asiaphile said it is dangerous. I felt scared and also just want to finish and leave. The room the hotel will give you is on the very top floor. After the elevator reach the top elevator floor, you have to climb another set of stairs to reach the room. The room had no number.
I have a friend in Shanghai I met last month who have lived and worked in HCMC for 6 years.. I told him my experience and he told me when you have money you can do a lot in that city. He told me $10 for a girl is definitely more than enough. There are too many unemployed people in the city and wages available are really low. The waiter told me he earns $30 a month in his job in the restaurant.
Carl,
Basically,District 1 is very safe. It is a tourist area .
Mini hotels: Thang Long Hotel , Huong Hoang Yen Hotel(Medal Hotel) .
Dog,
1. Your report is full of shit. There are NO strip joints in VN. So non of that pussy stunts!
2. French , Chinese, Vietnamese. Bi-racial or tri-racial in your case,those girls are known to be the wildest of all Viet girls. Virgin at 17, yeah sure! If you believe Michael Jackson is White.
3. What the hell do you or your friend see in a 17 year old? At that age they are still not fully developed and immature. How about waiting til they get to 21 years old.
4. If you think alot of the girls at those clubs are cute and wild , you are f..k.n blind. Most look like dogs. It doesn't matter where you go anywhere in the world the dogs will outnumber the hot ones by 10 to 1.
Dog Day,
I have many Viet friends who are frequent mongers and none told me about the ping-pong-shooting-from-pussy club. I think it is in your head.
On $10 girls, yes, if you know the language and be nice to the locals. I had couple women (older) for $5 and felt so sorry for them that I tipped them $5 more afterward. These women were so poor but they had dignity to refuse my tips and only when I insisted that they accepted it. But only because I speak Vietnamese and I know how to deal with taxi, cyclo, or moto-bike drivers that I can get to them. If you don't speak the language just forget it or you may get robbed or even killed. But the lower you pay the worse the quality is. So don't expect much for $10 and I think with your Chinese background you may end up with a 50 year-old ho. Getting to these cheapie's is not easy and requires a strong heart, not just muscles. I recommend you not to dream about it or one day you will end up lying on a vacant street or in jail.
Well guys,
Sorry for you if you have not experienced the wild side of HCMC yet. Before this, I thought fun in that city will just be oogling those really pretty girls (Damn, 99% of the girls there are really good-looking) at that pricey bar beside the New World.
My Mainland Chinese suppliers have an office in HCMC and had been there for 3 years. They probaby know what "some people don't know." These suppliers really treat "us" customers very well.
Poon, it was not a strip club. It was a private show in a room inside a Karaoke bar. We were only 6 men and they kept a lineup of girls exclusively for their Mainland Chinese customers. If I remember right, my supplier paid $50 for that special show.
As far as age, I prefer above 21 year olds too. Probably 21 is considered old as far as that "Bar" is concerned, so all the girls were pretty young.
As far as the "virgin" is concerned, I do not care if she was really a virgin or not. I had my own cheap "take-out" that night. That's the personal business of that guy with me. I already had two virgins in Shanghai just this year and all a GFE for free!
So I do not need it
Poon,
How far is Majestic bar from New World? Will be back in HCMC next month so I wanted to go further than just the New World Block.
Thanks
Poon Searcher,
I see from seaching the web that Thang Long has a very nearby sister property called the Kim Long. Do you know if one should be considered over the other. The deluxe rooms at Kim Long all have a large balcony and face the street it looks like.
Carl,
I was there last month and I stayed at Hai Wan Hotel on Nguyen Thai Hoc. The staff are very friendly and we were able to bring the girls up to the room as long as they have their IDs.
Dog,
You either have really bad taste in women or you're just naive. Most of the SW in Vietnam have either jacked up teeth or they are just plain ugly. If you go to a bar or a club, you might find a decent looking one. But i'm sure you're not going to get her for 10 or 20 dollars.
Poon Searcher,
Are the Hotels "girl-friendly"? Can I take a girl into my room without problems?
Thank you.
TurboCarl.
SW quality depends on where you stay. They know where the business is. Hai Wan Hotel, compared to New World Hotel?
Forgot to mention in previous posting, you can bring a "girl" in New World Hotel, but you have to pay an extra room. There are a few girls in the bar/coffee shop everyday from 10 to 12 PM. , sipping drinks waiting for a pick-up. These girls know the "policy" in the hotel, and will tell you that you need an extra room. I have talked to some but never took one. Although, the room rates are reasonable at around $70 a night, thats too much since you have to pay for the girl separately. These girls look older and definitely "pros".
Where can you get a $10 girl in HCMC? I gave the OK girl $10 as a "TIP", that is aside from bar fine in the OK bar.
James. Thanks for the advise. I am really lucky I am still breathing after those two "stupid sexcapades" with a SW and the girl referred by the waiter in HCMC. After a drink too much at the "Catwalk" , you can end up doing something stupid, specially the most they can offer you at their massage is a $20 HJ. (That Health Club is 5- Star though)
I have said it before, but it must to be repeated:
Staying at a $70+ 4-5 star GOVERNMENT or JV owned hotel like the luxury New World, Caravelle, etc. is foolish in HCMC IF the main reason you came is to party and get laid.
There are plenty of very nice, clean, newer, remodeled, 2-3 star tourist class PRIVATE mini hotels with lots of amenities like aircon, lifts, sat TV, free breakfasts, biz centers, car/driver, sauna/massage/karaoke bars, etc. These hotels (paying bribes to the police) are around $20 to $30 for a suite. Best of all, many are guest friendly if you are discrete. Tip the doormen or maybe there will be a small (say 50,000 dong) joiner fee. Do not be conned into paying for a second room. You never have too if you know what the hell you are doing and always discrete!
Dog Day,
FYI The New World Hotel is one block from the Hai Wan hotel. So the same SW go up and down that street. Actually, you couldn't really call them Street Walker since they are riding on the back of a motocycle looking for customers. I know we have this board to help one another out but next time, at least know what the hell you are talking about before you open your mouth.
But it's all good that you are spending $100 on the same girl that I fucked for $10. All it does is that it helps the next tourist get rip off.
And in any case, those girls have never really impressed me, there is no GF experience there. There are other opportunities however, that I will share on PM. All I will say is that it is necessary to take a risk. Study the faces of your Viet facilitators and pimps carefully.
Asiaphile,
I always go to HCMC for business so I stay in a 4-5 star hote. Anyway, as said by another monger "your advice is priceless". Will bear that in mind if ever I go to HCMC just for fun.
Whisper1,
How much is the room rate at the Hai Wan? Maybe I will stay there next time. Is it a good hotel for business trips?
Dog Day,
A room at Hai Wan hotel is $15/night. It's not a good hotel for business trips but it is a good hotel to take a SW.
Did someone hear already once something over "Ngu trua om"?
I read the following article:
"Ngu trua om" is newest fashion in Viet Nam. One can select girls select by many girls (only beautiful) and go together into a room where you can smoke, drunk, speaking and naturally kissing as well is permitted. The price is approx. 40000 Viet Nam Dong (2.5 euro) plus tip and cigarette, beer, dte, naturally with superelevated prices. If one other needs has, can one with the girls constitute and after the work time (9-22,00 o'clock) meet. The girls do not have secured income separate get 5% of their earned and tip of the guests.
Did someone know such a place in Saigon?
I did. This new fad is popular in Hanoi area but I am not sure about SaiGon. "Ngu trua" means short nap at lunch time which I think is useless unless all you want is to meet girls. In that case go to Maxim (close to the Grand) instead.
Hey fellas,
I'm gonna be in HCMC from April 3rd to the rest of April.
Anyone gonna be there and want to be a fellow mongerer? More Vietkieu here.
Where can I find barber shops near Sheraton Saigon that do extras services. Or for that matter, any good masssage parlours around the area?
Mr. Tran,
Yes, Ngu Trua means literally "short nap at lunch time" but it doesn't mean that. As a VK I would expect you to know that. and, I can't believe your fascination in Maxim's. Having read your previous posts I'm not sure why you are in this forum as you seem from memory to be negative about the whole experience. (of course as English is obviously your second language I could be completely missing the point of what you are trying to say).
Mike, what do you mean by "extras", most massages will do HJ's. Especially state owned hotels such as HS down from Sheraton with the 50,000VND for 30 minutes massage. Of course you have to negotiate the tip I generally follow this guideline: HJ: 100K, BJ, 150K, FS upto 300K and no service 50k depending on how surly she gets.
Deuce, do you mean you want more VK here or there are too many. IMHO there are too many. They spend three years working in kitchens and stacking supermarket shelves and come back thinking they are king trying to impress young girls by buying bottles of Remy or Henessy.
Apologies Mike, I was thinking of massage when you were asking about barber shops. There are a few places on Ham Nghi and the bottom end of Pasteur (near Ham Nghi). generally though near sheraton you are limited - I head out along Dien Bien Phu and near the Eastern Bus Station.. I did hear from a Korean friend that the place near hien & Bob's has extras and the place behind Mai Linh offices (opposite Monkey bar) also has extras.
I will be going to Vietnam next week, staying at the New World. What can i expect from the hotel massage staff? Will they go to your room or must you go to the hotel spa area?
Stressed,
Staff will not go to your room. Instead step outside your hotel. Go south one block. East one block pass the park. South again one block. You'll be in the vincinity of a dozen bars and a few clubs. Go in and have a few drinks and girls will approach you. Have fun, i'll come up with some actual names as soon as i remember them. It's been about 9 months since i was there last.
Rudebeast,
What do you mean "to be negative about the whole experience"? As you seem to be a newcommer here I expect you need to follow the readings more carefully and may need to improve your reading efficiency a bit more ;)
Ngu Trua litterally means short nap and of course we (you and I) know it means a bit more than that. Being an expatriat and being able to read some Viet news should help me understand what "ngu trua" really means. It is no more than short nap with a girl next to you for groping, chatting, and no fucking, period. What else does it mean? You tell us!
Hello folks,
Rude Beast, yes I'm a Vietkieu. If you there are too many VK in vietnam, then IMHO I see Just As Many Obese/pot-bellied, Elderly, Bald, Obnoxiously drunk, nonvietnamese low-class foreigners in Vietnam who "come back thinking they are king trying to impress very young girls by buying them food! " So I really don't think you should go judging who the VK are; and I won't judge the nonvietnamese foreigners unless you provoke it, Rude Beast.
Anyway, anyone visit SpaTropic? Looks like a great place for a worldclass massage; and I'm unclear if there are any extras there, although I would guess it would be a lot more expensive than anywhere else.
Again, anyone who wants to meet up to fellow monger in HCMC during the month of April, please let me know.
Have fun getting some titty.
Duece,
Rudebeast is a rude beast. His name means he can jump on everyone without being afraid of being called rude. Well, I think he has some reading and behavioral problems that he may need to improve. I am here to help him achieve that.
Rudebeast,
Your guideline sucks as it proved you have no clue what is going on in massage places. An East Indian friend of mine is also cheap like you and he could not get any HJ/BJ/FS. May I challenge you to share us some of your experiences?
James, Duece
You guys beat me to the punch. I dont mean to cramp everyone's style because the reason why most of us are here is because we like to have fun. I'll just leave it as that though would have to disagree with Rude Beast about the VK's.
The fact is most of us VK go back to VN because we love the country and if circumstances were different we would not have left in the first place.
That aside, man does anyone else agree with me that the Apocalypse Now have the highest pretty girls to guys ratio? I had heard of the place but because I was with my lady for 90 % of my last visit I couldnt really venture out. If anyone have had a positive experience with the girls there, let me know details.
Mr. Tran,
You can challenge me if you like but there is little point as you have indicated that you don't believe me.
Myself and Dirty Dog were posting here many years ago and had similar experiences. So, Mr. Tran I am no newcomer just can't be bothered in most instances to spoil my sectets.
I often have massage and hot toc and I know the going rate. I would be happy to take anyone along to my usual Hot Toc (VND 70,000 including, shampoo, face massage and BJ - no tip necessary) so long as you're paying.
Firstly, if I go to a new place I am invited by Vietnamese friends and colleagues if I choose to go back alone at a later date I am welcomed back. I have even told European friends addresses and they have had the same experience.
I know many girls here who will not service people of Indian or African descent. It's a fact. Which is why Mr. Tran,your friend may not get what he wants for the price. It also depend son how successful they have been that day.
Case Study, I am sure that some VK do come back for the reason you expressed and to those I apologise for my rant.
Deuce, I agree with you about obese, pot bellied etc, foreigners here.
But, this is not helping people who need information.
I was 1 time there at Apocalypse Now last year. was sitting with 2 girls. the one was old, 33y, but told me she was just 26. The other girl told me first she was 21, but her real age was 26. she was looking ok, when she is dressed, a cute face she have. But when she had taked off her clothes, she didn't impressed me anymore. There wasn't many girls in there. maybe it was too late, 1:30 AM. When we left AN, I saw lots of very good looking girls standing outside. I was wondering, where they appear. Is there another lacotion near AN?
Could anyone give me some info about up to date good lacations to meet good looking girls, to go out and have fun with, dont have to be working girls.
Was there one time at Apocalypse Now last year. I was sitting with 2 girls. The one was 33, but told me she was just 26. The other girl told me first she was 21, but her real age is 26. She was looking ok, when she is dressed. But when she had taked off her clothes, she didnt impressed me anymore. There were not many girls in there. Maybe it was too late, 1:30 AM. When we had left AN, me and the younger girl, there were lots of very good looking girls standing ouside. I was wondering, where they appear, is there another locations near AN?
How about good info about up to date locations to find good looking girls? Would like to meet some nice girls to go out or have fun with, dont need to be working girls.
Rude Beast,
It is ok for not sharing. I hope you really DID go to the mentioned places and NOT just invent the info. You want to protect your secrets so you don't want to take the challenge. That is also ok. But everyone can say the same thing to hide his lies. Then why do you bother to come to this forum for? It is odd, isn't it?
You have not answered my question about "ngu trua". What does it really mean if you are so familiar with the country?
Ho Chi Minh City March 3rd 2004
Stayed in a five star hotel and after dinner went to the bar and had a glass of wine. The chatty waiter said the bar was better than next door as it was smoky and had loud music.
Well there were no unattached women in the bar, I waited from 9:00 until 9:30pm.
So I went next door and there were two sets of girls sitting on their own. I sat behind one as her friend went and talked to another single man. She turned around and saw me and smiled, waving me to come and sit in the chair next to her, so I waved and said come and sit by me. She did and so did her ample cleavage.
Then I started to learn about her limited use of English about 20 words. She said straight away I like you and started stroking my arm and holding hands.
So I said you want to come to my room, she said yes. Then the fun started. Our floors in the lift were blocked off and we had to go to reception where she and receptionist (aged about 40) chatted away like they were buying an ice cream. Then she turned to me and said you want this person as you guest in your room, not showing any emotion at all, meanwhile I was going through quite a few emotions, said yes so we filled out an A4 piece of paper and my friend gave reception her ID and off we went to my room.
Then she said 500,000 only one pop, I said what about staying the night and it was hard to get the deal going. I gave up taking and we showered, bbbj, good sex and then straight away she went and showered, can understand why, but kind of ruins the sex, dirty etc.
Must use condom "no baby"
Found our she was 28 from her ID.
Then she said "sleep now", which was very sweet and only as Asian girls can do. Phone rang after about two hours and she said it was "my friend" when I think it should have been "her friend" and she said she had to go now. With the conversation so limited there was little point in arguing so she went.
I like the idea of picking up girls in the bars of the hotels you stay in is much easier and probably safer than going out to bars.
Gentlemen,
Just ignore the comments about Vietkieu that came from some assholes and let's go on with the discussion. Thanks
To J. Jets:
IMO you made several newbie mistakes that others can learn from even though maybe you had a sort of decent time...
Mistake One - Staying at a so-called "5 star" hotel. It sounds like The New World(?) which cannot by law allow overnight guests unless they are registered. In other words, she has to have checked into the place with you right behind her (fat chance!) or you have to book her a second room (ridiculous waste!). *See my valuable FAQ in this forum about guest friendly hotel strategies for VN.
Mistake Two - Overpaying her because you were viewed as just another big spender at another overrated "5 star" hotel. VND 5000000 (around US $35) for "one pop" is a minimum double the going rate in HCM City but perhaps an acceptable LT rate.
Mistake Three - Thinking you could get her LT but she could not accomodate because it was high risk for violating the law. You were not in danger but she could be hauled off to a reeducation camp if busted!
Mistake Four - Not learning much of anything about the real VN by surrounding yourself in a communist run/joint venture "5 star" luxury hotel. The longer a newbie confines himself to such plastic space the more likely he is to remain a permanent newbie in VN. Finally, the comment about "safer" than going to bars is either cowardly, laziness or reveals ignorance about what relative small dangers and types of risk exist anywhere in HCM City.
Don't take it personally as I inform in the hope others won't continue to make newbie mistakes, spoil and ruin VN for the rest of us.
Asiaphile
Thanks for the comments on my experience and no I don't take offence as we are all learning.
I am visiting Vietnam next week on business. Will be in Hanoi and then HCMC. Can anyone tell me if the Sofitel Plaza in Hanoi is guest friendly and also some contacts in Hanoi will be much appreciated, as it seems the Hanoi board has not been updated for a long time.
Also need suggestions on a girl friendly business hotel in HCMC. Any specific bars / discos I should hit.
This is my first time in Vietnam and any suggestions / pointers will be much appreciated.
Fusch
Just want to add my 2 cents worth. I'm a Canuck whose origins are Indian and I lived in Saigon for 3 years. For those posters who think that Indians or Blacks are not well liked by the VNese girls or otherwise you are dead wrong. India was one of the firse countries to recognize an independent and united VN and most VNese know this. Most of my Indian friends were well liked by VN girls and in fact it was commonly known that they often preferred the looks of Indians over whites. I attribute this to the strength of the Indian film industry in VN over the past decades. Now that US movies are gaining entry this will likely change. In 3 years I never met a VN who was openly prejudiced except for southerners against northerners and vice versa.
As for hotel, forget trying to get any girl into a 5 star unless you check in with her. If she is there at check in then it is no problem as they assume she is a wife/gf and all is OK. For pickup girls you need a mini hotel. Frankly the girls are really smart and if you are in a hotel they will try to milk you for $ (sweetly of course). I recommend that you rent a house or flat in a serviced apartment if you are there for a week or more. Should be lots to be had. This lets you say that you are working in VN or about to start a job and look credible. Then you can negotiate the rates down as they will look at you as a long time customer. No different than your buy 10 get 1 free coffee card!
Hi folks,
I was at the Bar of the Que Huong/Liberty 1 Hotel at Hai Ba Trung Street the other day. They had a very good girl ratio there, with the one or other gem, but I had company then. So did someone else already have experiences there?
"India was one of the firse countries to recognize an independent and united VN and most VNese know this." Why would this make any girl more friendly to Indians? Do you think you're assuming other people are racially stereotyping? And why do you think most people in Vietnam like their government? Please. The girls like any foreigner because they just want to get out.
Fusch,
I was just in Hanoi recently and posted an update on that thread.
For Saigon, things haven't changed much over the years. I was in for 3 days and did the usual mongering in District 1. The BJ bars were an interesting experience for 20$. I reckon FS was available for the same price, but I wanted CIM. Most of the numbered bars have take out available for 50$ ST. I had a SW come up to the room for $20 ST but she was in a rush. Apocalypse Now was chock full of talent. Frankly, although the quantity is greater, I must say that the quality of the girls available and the service level was lower in HCMC compared with Hanoi.
Any suggestions from the regulars on this thread for better looking girls closer to GFE in Saigon?
OAH
"GFE" in HCM City or anywhere in VN means you generally do not have to pay for sex. Many if not most expats living in VN do not pay prostitutes for sex as they simply have a GF or several GF's who service them regularily with a smile. Yes, some will require a certain amount of "support" but that practice occurs everywhere. Most VNese girls do not want to be seen as prostitute since it's HIGHLY illegal and the society greatly stigmatizes them. Many VNese girls (and all the dirt poor ones) would die to have a foreign boyfriend who they could live with, travel with, and maybe marry, eventually moving to the west with. This "regular girl" or "semi-pro" situation is not found in very many other Asian countries. Such lovely VNese girls are all over the streets of HCM City, window shopping at Diamond Plaza, working in shops, riding 'round on their little moto, relaxing at the water park on the weekend, at a few upscale bars - not old burned out dives like AN!
Finally got approved to WSG. Been in Vietnam for the last 1.5 years. Not long, but definitely not short (for someone who doesn't know where to get some).
Usual shagging involves picking innocent preys (not really that innocent, most of these girls know what they want, and though we think we are suckering them, usually its the other way around). Anyway, as long as we get what we "need" and they get what they "want" yeah?
Only last week, did I brave the "bars" of HCM. Got an older lady (early 30's maybe), for a 1st timer, I thought wadafark, go for it. It took less than 5 minutes of small talk (she spoke a reasonable amount of english) to drag my ass up the stairs. Price was negotiate (paid USD30 for a ST, not sure if this is a rip, or a standard, definitely not cheap for some grandmasters in here), again since its the 1st time, thought that will do.
Here is the interesting thing. The lady (Thuy), started a BJ of a lifetime! When she thought I was ready, she ran and started to look for a condom. Which she could not find. No way am I about to go raw, so she kept sucking again. Again, when she felt that I was about to cum, she ran off again, and started asking around for a condom. Other girls, started to go in and out of "room" looking for it. Finally after sucking for 25 mins all up. They finally found it. Jammed her with my "blue balls" and due to the situation, probably had one of the best "rocket take off".
Overall, pretty damn satisfied, cost with minimal negotiation cost around USD40 (includes 1 beer, 2 "lady drinks", 1 mega long BJ, 1 tight fark, 1 happy customer). Defintely return to the joint again, but negotiations will kick in and I'll see if I can bring the overall cost down to USD30 (if not, I'm going anyway, ha ha ha)
Happy Jamming fellas
Gentlemen,
Media in VN recently published articles about hidden cameras were placed in dark rooms, where couples were having fun time together, and recorded the actions on tapes or VCDs and then sold them on the market or via the Internet.
So be alert and on the look out for those hidden cameras, guys!!!
Visited the Yawara massage parlor across from the entrance to the Sheraton. They usually have a couple of hawkers downstairs at the street level to guide you up to the 3rd floor. The premises were pretty run down but the rate, 125, 000 for a 1 hour "Thai" massage was reasonable and I had some time to kill. My masseuse was a pretty, petite girl named Huynh, #10. About 30 minutes into the course she started to play with my cock and we negotiated a $20 hand job. After a very short time she put my hand on her breast and told me she wanted to go the route. " I fuck you so good for $50. " I was giving this some thought as my brother down south nodded his own agreement. Before I really could get my head around what was happening she was stripped down and mounting me bareback. I know, I know, but. the thrill of doing something so crazy was as good as it gets, heightened by the fact that we had to keep somewhat quiet; I sensed that she wasn't supposed to do this and we only had a 1/4 inch of plywood between us and the rest of the world. On the table, against the wall, DATY, bare-back BJ, doggy - in short a cram course in raw, unbridled and passionate sex for 30 minutes, the best ever. Regrets? I've had a few, but then again. I'll let you know how it turns out in a few months when I go for the test.
Magnet45,
Well done man! Thanks to you, some of us, will be avoiding the massage joint. Any place that is willing to go bareback, is off limits to me personally. Not trying to be rude though, still reckon that is bloody brave of you. And I can imagine, if it was me, a pretty petite young tight twat pussi which decides to jam without asking, I'll probably succumb to temptation too. (which is why we should all carry some rubber with us.) Good show man, keep us updated with your results.
Back to posting reports. I'm sure a lot of you have heard stories about the massage joint at "New World Hotel". Here's my update. Been to the massage joint twice. 1st time I went up to the 3rd floor? or was it the 6th floor? Anyway the massage joint "inside" the hotel premises. The massage was way more expensive than most joints (kinda expected that I suppose). Girl comes in, dissappointed in looks, figure and size. She was quite ... tall ... a little big (not fat, but big). On the plus side, she spoke a good amount of english. "Special Hand" massage cost VND500g!!! I told her, I can get a gorgeous girl for a ST in HCM for that amount, and a LT (decent looking girl) in my province (where I work). She asked, I offered. VND120g (and that is still mega rip I know, but I am still working my price down, takes awhile). End up, she wanted VND300g minimum, amazingly, my pocket won the fight compared to my "fella". Told her nicely, sorry I'm so poor, I cannot afford a HJ, ha ha. And left it as it was.
Overall, pretty dissappointed, but not to be dettered by 1 visit. I went again. This time, to the "other" massage joint in New World, next to the pokies. Girls were a little prettier, but still nothing to shout about. Again damn expensive, and a HJ is a HJ right? Could not negotiate lower than VND200g, and again I decided to opt out. But the girl did give me her phone number, wanted me to call her for a night cap. (can't imagine what the price will be).
Bottom line is New World is not as great as it seems, for some who has been to much cheaper places, but just as decent, and some even better. The price is just not worth the trip, the girls are average, most people misunderstand and say they are like models. Yes, Model height, but not looks. I don't get off better with a tall girl wanking me compared to a petite girl. Its the service that counts. Imagine a girl who expects VND500g, we pay her 20%, she is only gonna give you about 20% effort. A girl who hopes to get VND100g, you give her close to that, she will wack that monkey of ours to kingdom CUM!
So boys, don't feed those un-appreciative sluts, feed the appreciative *****s.
Was In HCMC lat week.
James, you are right the New World Sauna beside the Catwalk bar is expensive. I like it though because it is really a clean establishment. Really great marbled floors with top class hot and cold jacuzzi. Clean rooms, sheets, towels, etc. They will give you a photo album and you can choose the girl that will give you a massage. I did not request anything special because I know the most they can give you is a HJ in that joint. And I feel $20 is too much to pay for a HJ.
Anyway, my story. Went to ALEEZ BOO, a popular watering hole across the park from New World. At night this park is filled up with couples dating. Sitting on their motorbikes, or on the grass., park benches, hugging, smooching. Nice sight to see that its the same all over the world. There are even police men patrolling the park so it feels like a safe place. Now ALEEZ BOO is frequented by backpackers. Not fancy , but cool. The cute promo girl of Carlsberg approached me and asked me to buy a Carlsberg, of course. I did get one, and another, and another. She spoke some decent english and was quite attractive. We talked a bit and he said it was her day-off the next day. I invited her for lunch the next day since my flight leaves later that night. She said yes, so I gave her my room number at the New World. I was thinking she was just being kind so I never thought she will even show up. Next day at 11:30 I got a call from the lobby and she was there. We had lunch in the hotel and chat a bit. She hinted she needed some money. The amount was $40 USD when converted, so thats OK. I asked her if she wants to go to my room. She was dressed simple and casual so the hotel people did not ask when we went to the elevators. Maybe I was just lucky. in New World, I notice the hotel people questioning the girl if she is dressed liked a ****, when she goes to the elevators. In my room we chat a bit. I knewI do not have much time so held her hand. She smiled which was like the green light. She was 21, had a great body, really cute face. She was not tall, probably 1.60. We had great sex and I came 3 times.. She obviously was not a pro but she follows the rhytmn. Gave her the $40 and she left. One big mistake was I forgot to get her number. I am not going back to HCMC for a while so hope she still promos in ALEEZ BOO when I do have a chance to go back this year.
Hello fellas,
Been in HCMC for 1 week now. Have been carousing around in the evening after work almost everyday, and here's my report of where I meet women:
1) At some of the expensive outdoor cafes where people sit there to people watch. Turns there are quite a few groups of women that just sit there looking for men to pick them up. I had the luck of sitting down with 2 young women. One was an ex-singer turned real estate agent, and the other a vietkieau from Australia. After chatting with them for 30 minutes, their female friends kept showing up, for a total of about 8 woman total at the table joining me and my 1 other male friend. There were 2 cosmeticians, 2 models, the ex-singer, 1 vietkieu, 2 textile designers. They wanted me to go with them to a karoke bar. I refused and made them follow me to Saloon 17. They came, and we stayed their until closing. They were boozing it up, and actually paying their own tab wherever we went. After the Saloon 17, they dragged me to some bar they knew would stay open until 2am, and they had already reserved a table ahead of time by paying for 3 bottles of VSOP REMY. Each bottle was about $70USD. I told them I didn't bring enough cash with me, and they told me to hush, cause it was all paid for. I got quite drunk, and met more of their friends, and these women were a lot of fun. They wanted to stay out all night, and the group wanted me to take the ex-singer home to fuck. Had to work next day, so passed. Got their numbers, and they kept calling and calling me.
Seemed like I was with the rich and famous of Vietnam. Was a lot of fun until I told them a second evening that I did not want to go out with them. They gave me an ultimatum to go out with them or never hear from them again. Since work is just as important as pussy, I let it pass, and haven't heard from them since. Very interesting people.
2) Various bars, great to pick up women that are in groups that don't mention any form of money up front, who don't seem like callgirls. They really love Vietkieu!!! Speak the language, and you will quickly find out Vietnamese women love to talk dirty just shortly after meeting them.
What fun.
Deuce99
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I heard that there is a HC that offers real twins for service in Vietnam. Does anyone know of this HC. Please let me know.
Cheers
EazyDan
I regularly go to Ho Chi Min with and without the Missus who is Vnese. You have to be careful when you are at the top hotels especially New World with taking Vnese girls in there. They don;t assume they are you GF/Wife. I had to produce a copy of my marriage Certificate to be allowed to stay in the same room. If you meet a girl you want to take to your room best do it during the day or early evening. Other girls I have met there have just said what floor are you on etc and found their own way up. I have only ever had a problem at the New World the rest don't seem to mind as long as you walk confidently in and straight to your room.
Well this is my first report since I was just recently approved by WSG.
I am stuck in the US working now longing to go back to VN. Last time I was there was 08/03. But I think I can provide some of you guys with some info. if you want because I was there often from 99-01. Like 10 times back and forth.
All those people of stays in the fancy hotels for over $100/day, I just don't get it. Not unless the company pays for it, why stay there. There are many hotels at $20-40/day that are just as good but you get way better service.
These places are clean. Marble floors and better bathroom than some motel or hotels over here. They have AC, cable and all the things you would want for 1/4 the cost. All the money you saved, you can put toward you know what..
I have tapes of my experiences so maybe if I get to know you enough, I will share it with you. But I will throw this out.
My trip back in 08/03, was one of my best ever. I went to this Karoke bar at Spaceship. Hooked up with this girl there, maybe an 7 in looks and body. But she was one of the best fucks I had over there and I had many over there. She gave the best BBBJ ever, tossed my salad, and she was game to do anything. Fucked her like an hour or more since I was boozing that night. Then came in her mouth since her BJ was so damn good. She has a sister that they usually do threesomes with. I can't wait to go back to hook up with them again. I got all this on tape.
Damn I love that country.
Recently had the chance to visit the infamous 74B bar on Hai Ba Trung.
First thing you notice is there is hardly any lighting at all. (Guess that way, you won't know what the girl looks like). Didn't even have the chance to sit at the bar, before some girls started urging me upstairs (good and bad, felt a bit rushed, but hey, I'm not there for small talk either). Up I went (must have climbed 3 floors), notice working girls on every level (not much to look at though, they were very average in looks).
Arrived on the highest floor (3rd floor) and the girl who was following behind me all this time finally spoke. Man she had bad teeth! In last than 5 minutes (maybe even shorter), she grabbed my pocket buddy, and asked me to take her to a hotel.
I was thinking to myself, "Hell No", but I thought I will ask the price anyway. She wanted USD50/ST. Honestly, she should pay me to do her... but I kept that to myself.
Beer wasn't that expensive (for such a bar), at least cheaper than some (VND25,000). Back in my province, beer goes for VND8,000... the things I do for some pussies.
Gonna try 74C... or was it 74A, next chance I get. If any of you chaps been there recently, give us a report.
BTW, you guys know any other Massage places, which provides a clean place, with DROP DOWN GORGEOUS chicks?
The cafe Deuce mentioned: I am guessing it is Cafe Cocktails (not sure if I got the name right, but it is located at Sin Wah Tower, same building where Citibank is. Nguyen Hue street). There are lots of chicks (good looking ones too), but never had similar experience. It is nonetheless a good pick up joint though.
Poppasan,
Any more report from VN as I am in the region at the moment I may be heading that way in the next month or two.
Thanks
You are so right on that one Asianphile. I have been back since 99 and I usually don't pay for most of my girls. I usually just buy them a gift like perfume or watch and they are all yours. They love it when you think about them enough to buy them a present. But I usually buy 10 bottles of perfume so I can just give one to whoever I run into.
Most well some of these girls will not want your money if they like you. They just want to hang around with you. Take them to dinner or lunch a few times and that is another girl in your pocket. Just save their number and whenever you need a fuck, call them up and they will come over.
It is true there is an exclusive club in Saigon that has girls dancing naked on stages. I can provide the address if anyone is interested. You need a local to take you there.
One tip, don't go looking for girls. Just try to find a mommy and you are set. She will bring the girls to you.
According to a local Vietnamese newspaper the Viet police just closed AN charging suspicious prostitution and drug activities. They said they wanted to create a healthier environment for younger Viet generation. Well, we know this is all power and money struggling between Commie party members and other AN's will emerge soon.
Been in Saigon for the past three days. Hot and humid as hell! Food is good and plenty of girls but my action has been very limited. The first night we went to spaceship and the place is pretty dead. Not too many girls at all. Then we headed over to Apocalypse Now, the place was hoping with music and quite a mixed crowd. The girls seem to have gone there with their guy friends so didn't really attempted to pick any of them up. Afterwards, we headed over to Catwalk. Plenty of good looking, well=dressed model looking girls. Very expensive. Drinks and girls. The girls will sit and dance with you but when the night was done, i asked one of them to go out. She wanted 150 usd. The end of that story. Overall, the club was very nice experience because the girls in there are real hot and sexy. Price wise, it will blow your budget to hell. Be willing to spend the Benjamins to get action there. I will be here for another 3 days then onto bangkok.
Poppasan,
If you have the tapes, let me know if you want to sell them.
Hi,
I will be visiting Vietnam for the first time July 21, for 4 days only arriving by ship in Halong Bay, ship has arranged a bus to take passengers (non-mongers majority) to Hanoi, where we can either (a) stay and then return to the ship , using the ship as our base (b) stay in Hanoi, (c) stay in Hanoi maybe that day and get up the next day and fly to Ho Chi Minh City/Saigon.
About 10/12 years ago approx a friend went and stayed in Ho Chi Minh city and recommended a place called The Hawaii Hotel run by a Hawaiin Vietname person, I am wondering if this place is still open.
This person also visited and I believe stayed at the Rex Hotel which I believe there still is a "Rex Hotel" and they said that they felt the Rex was a bit expensive but had some decent girls at therer Disco Dance Club- and am wondering on anyones experiences here.
Some of the group is planning on staying at the Majestic Hotel and would appreciate any imput on this place/ good /bad or indifferent and as to its location to potential monger situations.
To other places that were recommended to me were the Caravelle Hotel which I found " a Caravelle Hotel still renting rooms on Expedia.com" and the Palace Hotel.
I don't have to stay with the group necessarily but would want to prebook my rooms as I don't speak the language, etc and do have to be back on ship at end of fourth day meaning I have to fly back to Hanoi from HCMC.
I am also considering a trip from HCMC to Ankor Watt, Cambodia with 2 days is this including travel time back and fourth from HCMC to Ankor Watt is this to much of a rush.
Thanks in advance for your review and time and appreciate any imput.
Art,
I would recommend a hotel on Le Thanh Ton. Either All Asia Hotel or Dai Loc I think. They are next to each other. Very friendly..They know what's up. You bring a girl back, they will ask for the girls ID to protect you. When the girl leaves in the morning, they can't go until the front desk call you to make sure everything is ok before they let the girl have her ID back. That is a plus. No need for extra room here.
These hotels are a lot cheaper than Caravelle and the other fancy hotels that would cost you over $100/night.
As for SW, last time I saw some on Hai Ba Trung street. But these are risky. I rather go to the Karoke bars or clubs since they force these girls to get tests once a month. A little safer.
Enjoy
Watch out for the Caravelle Hotel
It may have changed but it was a pain in the arse for girls. Not only did they want you to take a second room but, if they felt that the second room was for the cutie that you have just found they might even refuse entry. Girls from the top floor bar could get to the rooms from above (if you were prepared to pay the price).
It may have changed but it is worth checking before hand. I ended up in some crazy short-time hotel which worked fine although there was a slight feeling of 'uneasiness'. This two years ago so perhaps all has relaxed by now but I still hear that some of the hotels are not all that cooperative - getting them there and then being refused entry is a double disaster!
TT
Thanks for the 2 hotels, found out ship arrives Halong Bay on Wed July 21 and departs Sunday July 25 9 pm so have 4 days for my first visit to Vietnam.
Is it to much for one who doesn't speak the language to even think about going from ship to Hanoi , ship provides transportation then by air to HoChiMnCity/Saigon then to Ankor Watt then back to HoChiMinCity back to Hanoi then ride back to ship.
Would I be better off just staying in Ho Chi Minh City OR just going there , then hopping plane from there to Ankor Watt?
I don't want to spend all my time in and out of airports , going to and from.
Agreed the Caravelle is an amusing place to try and take someone in to . My friend was given a blowjob in the carpark from frustration and shot just before being caught by security.
The smarter way is to take the girl in during the day - was reliably informed and proved it - that between 9am - 8pm there is little security.
In my case got the girls to meet me at the Saigon Saigon on a Sunday afternoon and proceeded straight to the room - there discovered that the friend also enjoyed a little lesbian encounter so had two for the price of one in the afternoon.
The Dai Loc is also a good place and there is one close to the New World Hotel that is the same - no problems with girls coming in - also there is a hotel at the back of the Camarque run by a Brit where they dont seem to care as long as you are not too stupid about it - these are much safer than the short time hotels that they try and get you to go to.
Serviced appartments are a great way to go and avoid a lot of the hassles. Pricing is comparable to the 4 and 5 star hotels, though. Never heard of anyone having trouble receiving guests there, just tell em it's your piano teacher. Skygarden, Parkland, Sheraton Towers, and so on, there are around 20 properties around HCM.
I was offered at USD20 (not including tips for girl) for a Blowjob in a Hot Toc loacted on the road to Dien Bien Phu.
Is that expensive?
If it is, can anyone tell me where I can get a more reasonable priced service.
Thanks
Mike Loan
Yes, US$20 is definitely a ripoff in HCM! Standard price VND100000 (VND60000 in Ha Noi, lower in rural areas). Tip no more than VND200000 for quick BJ. Total VND300000 (max!) = $19. Putting it into some perspective: OFFICIAL GDP annual income 2003 for VN = US$485. For HCM = US$870.
I am finally able to post, thanks to brother Jackson.
I've been to HCMC twice since March, what a nice city. Nice food, nice people, and nice girl.
Because I went to HCMC for business, only limited time for me to look for fun during night time. I went to this pub call Cat Walk, a nice place but not cheap. Many girls for you to choose and they are all pretty. I call a girl who can speak english very well,
drink together for 1 hour and off we go to hotel. Over night is USD150, short time is USD100.
She stayed with me until late morning, I got her number but wondering I will look for her again or not because there are so many pretty ladies out there waiting for us.
Next time I would like to try other place. Any tips where can find freelance ladies?
Any brothers willing to share their experience in Saigon Saigon bar?
James
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With all due respect, the prices you quote for Viet Nam (even more expensive HCM) are a BIG JOKE! Places like the tourist trap Saigon-Saigon or similar Catwalk are the worst of the worst in all of VN for rip offs. You should take some time to look around beyond such useless luxury digs where it seems all the without a clue newbies hangout. Read the posts here going back many months for some much better suggestions.
Asiaphile,
If you can't afford to play at the Cat Walk then don't GO! Don't tell me the girls at Cat Walk are the same as Hoc Toc places or Bia Om places? get my point?
Very good point. You get what you pay for. Trust me. Sometimes these girls that costs $50-100 per night is well worth it. Don't want no street walker. They are not as educated as street walkers in the US. They don't know about diseases. They are walking time bombs. Get free diseases from them man. I'll pass.
How do you know what I can or cannot afford? Many of the girls (I use that term loosely) at Catwalk and Saigon-Saigon are a bit older for the nightlife scene in VN and certainly spoiled and used up. Some of them still hanging out in there I saw back in 1995-96 when both were just opening. I think you need to look around - HCM has over 10 quans with over 6 mil people. There are dozens and dozens of diverse venues and options in the big city that are far superior to such terribly overpriced tourist traps. As far as bia om, hot toc, etc. for quality - they are like every place. You have to shop around for the gems at reasonable price. This is probably more true in HCM since it has overall a much higher standard of living than upcountry or even Hanoi. I can find sweet gems everyday in VN by simply looking around and not acting like the stereotype, without a clue, big spending, fat ass tourist. And yes, my ability to bargain in VNese helps.
Come on guys, all of you are right.
For foreigners, 1M up to $100 US a pop is anorm.
For people who knows the scene and places, a FS can be had for $50000.
I used to stay in Vn and the price I paid for stunning, young and most important tight and juicy was $150,000 to $200,000. That's for everything and I know the girl only get $80,000. So, if you can get those girls out to go to your place (appointment), that's a legit price (year 2000). I had service from those so-called high price at night time who works in the club and worked in the brothels at day time for just 1/10 of what they got from foreign customers.
Besides those young and can speak fluent English, any of those girls will have different price depends on who you are and where is the place.
If you know where to look, you can have a nice young girl all night for just merely $20-$30 US.
Peace and write report.
There are sometimes cute looking girls at Bia Om places. But before you can Fuck them you have to pay for Beers, Foods, Gums and all those stuffs they force upon you, therefore, in the end the price would total up to more than the average Fuck you get elsewhere. Hoc Toc places are for Mongers on a tight buget, girls are usually butt ugly and they are there to service local poor Vnese customers. If you just looking for a hole to stick your dick in then Hoc Toc places are for you! with no disrespect of course!
Other than that, I find that the many nite Clubs and Bars in Saigon are the best places for take out with good selection, qualities and of course worth every penny. Even at Cafe places have good girls for take out, I prefer Cafe Window at Ho Con Rua area. I went there every morning for coffee and breakfast and have my eyes wash at the same time!! Just one look, a smile, an invite over the table and possibility for a FS is endless.
Asiaphile dude,
Yep, your ability to locate and bargain, by speaking the language, is your advantage. Good for you!
However, in order to praise yourself of how good you are by putting down on others; again, it's not the act of the mature individual.
The valuable opinion/knowledge of yours stay put within. The stereotype, without a clue, big spending, fat ass tourist, will continue acting whatever they think it appropriate.
Well, bargaining is good and all but like I said, you get what you pay for. Sometimes these high price girls end up being free anyways. I rather go that route than some hooker on the street. Those are slim pickings. That is the last resort. Most girls who are decent are going to work in the clubs. They get more money. Street walkers are for the locals. Cheap. You might find a diamond but far and few in betweenl. I do not have the time to shop. I rather get them at the clubs.
But its up to you who you want to fuck and how much you spend.
Please update on the current hot club in Saigon. The last time I was there was back in summer 2002 and Club Blue was packed every nite, but it got burn down later that same year. Anything exciting happening in SAigon lately? Any new high-end coffee shop open? Is cafe Window still have chics available for pick-up & check-out all hours of the day?
Thanks
The problem with the 'you get what you pay for' philosophy is that more expensive = worse service, almost without exception.
Let be a little honest here; "more expensive = worse service, almost without exception" ONLY apply if you're BUTT UGLY. Even when you can afford to pay for a Model, if you're nasty lõoking then all you'll get is a dead fish in bed. Think about it. That's why so many guys prefer ugly girls because ugly chics have no choice other than to please the customers - left to right. This is why you hear so many different prices for FS. Hot looking girls always charge their customers base on looks and turn on. If you're ugly, of course you can get any Model in bed BUT you have to pay way much more. That's why "you get what you pay for" does not apply to ugly customers chasing hot pussy!
Sexmania,
Apparently you're convinced prostitutes are servicing you for your dashing good looks and animal magnetism rather than for money. If that delusion helps you face the fact that you have to pay for it, more power to you! Those of us more in touch with reality might snicker and jeer, but what business is it of ours, really?
Dear Opebo,
The reality is that if you're an ugly, old smelly, fat horny monger chasing for pussy, all the wonderful services you'll be getting are from girls with similar lõok and description. Like I said in my previous post; of course you can get Models and hot chics in bed but "one's ugliness" can cost alot more money for a service that is 1/10 in comparation to an average Joe who pays much less for a same girl. That's reality and it hurts.
This have nothing to do with you or me. I am just sick of some Idiots kêep saying that everyone should pay the same price for all the girls and expect the same great service everytime!
Well I think it depends on the girls. Some girls are dead lays regardly of their price or beauty. I think most of the street girls are dead lays. Plus the guys being better looking doesnt equal discount. They work for a reason. Granted being ugly and fat might cost you more but being handsome doesnt necessarily means cheaper. Like I said it depends on the girl. Some are cool and if they like you..they don't even charge but most will charge their usual.
But I do notice that most of the fine ones are dead lays too. They think their looks along will do it so they just lay there. I prefer the decent looking ones. I will test that again when I go there this July.
Exactly Poppasan, its more about the girl's looks than the john's looks. After all she's the marketable commodity, not the guy!
If you get my point, then there should be no more complaining about "price & services".
I'm not a very good looking guy, even if I'm not completely ugly. I had some beautiful girls all over the world (mainly all over Europe, Cuba, Brasil, Thailand), I never overpaid them according to WSG standards. Next summer I'll check out the Viet and Cambodian market, too.
Most of the times I had great times with them, you can check out my reports.
I think it depends on the girl's look, but mainly on the john's behaviour.
If you are respectful, you'll get good service even if you're ugly and the girl is a model. If you act as a beast and mistreat them as pieces of meat that's what you get back.
Girls are young uman beings, don't forget it.
Every John working on any kind of service with direct customer contact should understand it.
I have never been to Vietman, but i would love to go some day. I tend to agree with some. The attractivenss of the girlis inverserly proportional to the service they give. The best I have had tend to be from older not so attractive women.
Cheers & greeting from New Zealand
There is a new big club on Cong Quynh Street, with Karaoke, Disco, ..., some streets from the western tourist quarter.
The grant opening was a really great event. Had some fun there.
Just for you to know.
HarryR,
I would suggest that don't go to Vietnam at all! What the point of going there when all you're looking for are old and ugly hags?? You can get those for free at home, can't you?
Ljohnson;
[blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]. You talk about experience and knowledge? [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]! Having to travel to thailand and with all that money still can't get a pretty girl to fuck. [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]! With all due respect.
Who the hell is talking about being handsome and all that? This is just to show [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] which class you belong to when you can't understand the simple point I tried to make in my previous posts with simple english writing. When [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] comparing to an average Joe; fucking a Model won't be the same experience! [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] would have to pay more to get her into bed and the service would almost be a dead lay, whereas an average Joe would pay the same Model a bit less (talking about negotiation...) and the service would definately better than an ugly Joe received! That's my point. [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]. If you can't accept that then you will be complaining about price/service for the rest of your monger career.
The more experience and knowledge you have in this area, and I am sure you do! [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]
By the way, I was born in Vietnam so I've been to the places I mention. I know a lot of Mami` in Saigon and when I visit there next time; I don't mind meeting up with you to show you first hand of what I have talked about. Maybe then you can spend the last few years of your life saying: seeing is believing. Obviously, you guys could be as old as my dad or grandpa when come to age. I am just in my early 30s.
So who's the [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] trying to get me booted from this Great Forum? Who give the fuck! if I may be so blunt.
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sam tang,
hey, is the new club you mention anything like the burned down club blue or club speed? i spent most of my time hunting at speed because i like the arrangement and the set up in regard to working girls. all i had to do was sit at my table and watch girls go round and round in a big circle until i found one to my taste!
any current bar or club that stay open beyond midnite?? like i said, the last time i was there was back in 2002. thx.
To All,
as for the discussion about quality of service: i have lived in Vietnam for a total of 7 years in the last 10 years, so i think i know my way around a little bit.
I have had the pleasure to fuck great looking women with great service, great looking women with very bad service and attitude, so-so looking girls with fantastic service and also with so-so service.
To make it short, i do not think general rules apply to this. All depends on the individuals involved and of course on the setting, situation. All reports and judgements are highly subjective by nature. Your own state of mind and emotion plays at least the same part as the actual service provided.
I have paid from nothing, 50.000 VND, 100.000 VND up to USD 100 per shot/night. As far as pricing is concerned, it depends on the venue where you meet the girl more than anything else. In a roadside brothel you can get a shack for VND 100.000 or less, but never in AN or on HBT bars. The girls there will always ask for 50 USD or more, it comes with the territory. If you meet the same girl in a different location the price very likely will be different.
In Vietnam you have high end and bottom end market right next to each other coexisting. Remember you get what you pay for! If you want a well dressed, english speaking beauty you will not find this in a 10 USD brothel. Go to Catwalk or similar and budget around 100 USD for everything, incl drinks. Or you can go to a local park and get a HJ for USD 1. Yes 1 USD! No frills provided with this one!
Ljohnson,
Why do you reply to post like that from Sexmania?
That’s exactly what those people want, that is giving them the forum they need, for whatever personal reasons.
Ignore it, everybody can easily understand the intentions of those posts, and I am quite sure that the forum administration will do the rest for you. It is just a waste of time to read those posts, or even to answer.
I know, I am a newbie posting here, but exactly posts of those people stopped me to contribute anything in this forum up to now. If the level reaches those lows, I simply don’t want to be part of it. Let’s give the forum the informative style most of us appreciate and want, and disregard those posts. The more different opinions are posted here, the better it is.
BTW: I really appreciate English lessons, please send me a PM if it is too bad what I write.
Giotto
My dear [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] friend, Ljohnson
So I guess I have press the right button huh? It hurts, doesn't it? When facts and reality hit you right in the face.
You got me. My English is not that good, ouch! I like to see you write a post in Vietnamese. [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] I [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]; for you to attack me on a subject that's irrelevant to our previous discussion. I guess you deserve [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]. So I see that crying to the Editor about me didn't work huh? If it did, the readers of this forum wouldn't have the privilege of knowing [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue].
Enough said.
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Sexmania:
Your use of English is not simple, it's simplistic and slightly incoherent. I don't know if it's the lousy spelling, the inappropriate use of tense and syntax or your excitement at trying to express yourself, but it's really difficult to understand your point. Ljohnson is correct that you should probably be banned...for egregiously poor English if nothing else, but it's actually more amusing to have you around.
I don't know Ljohnson, but I like him already.
GE
Hahaaa. I know it hurts for some of you old fools to read my posts and it's good that you guys need to get in touch with reality sometimes! Go on and attack me on my english skills. What's the point? Think of it? Idiots.
In an effort to douse this flame war and get back on subject, I am offering a FR of tonight's adventures at the Sheraton. Of course some of you (at least by the tone of this thread) will no doubt attack me, but WTF!
After standing around on the 23rd floor scoping the "eye" candy, a lovely thing came over and starting chatting. After 20 mins of bullshit, she finally asks me, "have you taken any girls from here yet?" I told her I heard it is very difficult and too expensive. She countered with a proposal to go to a "no tell" hotel nearby and she offered a price that I was comfortable with. The whole deal, including drinks, hotel and "fun" was about half of what the going rate in a major China city is. Long story short, great GFE with DFK, DATY, BBBJ, multiple positions, a short adventure in the back door and a wonderful CIM after jerking off the condom as I was about to unload. Fantastic body and very good at what she did. This is definitely one of my top tens in the past 3-5 years and I think if you check the China boards you will see that I have had a good number of options to compare this with. Got her mobile and will definitely be enjoying this again in different circumstances.
So, lets get back to the main reason we are here..and that is to find women who like to fuck our brains out..not to discuss semantics.
Peace brothers and stay safe!
Hey Guys,
I'm new to the forum but I've had many years of different experiences in Asia. I've been reading the forum for a long time and I have drawn many conclusions from my observations. I used to read a lot of reports from guys who seemed genuinely interested in helping other guys out while entertaining with there great stories. I see alot fewer of these but I'm hopeful we can turn the tide. We're all only human and it would be great to see more guys check there egos before writing their reports. Remember the goal and keep in mind that we all share it.
I'm not here seeking conflict, just some help to get to know the landscape of Vietnam. After a while I would love to share my experiences as I get to know the "Ins" and "Outs" of Vietnam.
I would like to hear from someone who can give me some advice as to a list of the top 10 places in Saigon for meeting with quality women, pros and non-pros alike. Any opinions on this topic would be appreciated.
I will be moving to Saigon in July and will be ready to take advantage of my situation as soon as I land.
Cheers,
Your friendly neighbourhood Shooter
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Sexmania,
You need to calm down and realize that your treatment over there is a lot different than regular guys. The girls over there treat you better because you are Viet and they can communicate with you. Please don't get that confused with good looks and service. Trust me. I have been back there enough times to realize the difference between the working girls there. All the girls are different. But all of them treat you good if you treat you good. Prices are the same. They try to get the max out of everyone. So it comes down to negotiations not your looks. And plus where you pick up these girls. If you get them at the clubs...they are all overprice. They are all good looking and they know it. Well not all but they all demand high prices. They don't care what you look like. And being dead lays depends on the girls.
The ones on the streets are usually the really young ones who is very inexperience. That is why I find them to be most of the time dead lays.
So bottom line, the johns good looks does not mean better service, maybe, maybe, cheaper but rarely, but definitely does not garantee better service.
And what about you being born there...Does not mean anything to the hookers.
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Sexmaniac,
I somehow agree with you but also think you should not generalize too much. Just ignore all the attacks and concentrate on what you know best about mongering in SG. We need people who are very familiar with all the activities so we don't lose time when we are there. It took me 3 days to be comfortably get the first lay! VN is not like China or Taipei where I can just ask my suppliers to take me where to have fun, many time for free. The Jap suppliers in VN and Japan are just too dumb to understand my needs. I think I like to get to know you more when I am in SG sometime this year.
Cheers!
Pop,
I never intended to create any problem here. In fact, I enjoy reading the posts here when I am not in Vietnam. It keeps me up to date and remind me of the good times.
If you really want to know how it get started, you need to go back the begining of all the previous posts. Some idiot claimed to know it all in Vietnam. He said no one should pay more than 300,000d for a FS and that he could get it down much cheaper to 200,000d - 100,000d and lower if he were at some country side area of Vietnam. The idiot said the "market" get ruin because everybody pay more than 300,000d and that who ever pay more than his set-price is arrogant, show-off and simply stupid for flashing $ around. The fact is that he doesn't play the same games as I do and his taste in girls is nowhere near the same class as mine. That is why I had to set him straight and put some sense and reality into his "experience and knowledge" about mongering in Vietnam.
I am open for discussion any way you like. There are some idiots who can't carry an open discussion, so they resort to attack me on my english skills even though they know that English is my second language. It is so funny and stupid! It only go to show the type of class those idiots belong to in society.
The bottom line is that all the sluts know exactly how to get the most money out of each horny monger! We all pay to play, so lets play and stop complaining about money if you can't afford it.
Now lets hear some up date on the nitelife in Saigon! I hear many hot clubs got shut down. True?
SexMania,
Are you there now? I am going back to Vietnam in July or August. I was last there last August. I know the happening scene in Vietnam changes all the time. Do you know what is happening in Saigon now? Is it still Mecca?
One last thing. All the guys that go back to VN and enjoy the ladies and treatments. Well they won't know true treatment or GFE that a VietKieu gets from these girls. Priceless.
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For all those can read and understand Vietnamese,
There is an article about Catwalk at New World at tuoitre.com.vn and click on Xa~ Ho^.i section.
Have fun guys!!!
james tran,
k'mon man, you don't need any supplier to show you a good time in saigon! you're vnese and you can speak the language for crying out loud! troi!
see if you agree with me on this point. never, never, ever let money get in the way of a good time if you're truly in vietnam for a real good time. if you do, then sluts can be had from left to right in saigon. the easiest way for some take out is at any disco club in saigon. just go there, get yourself a drink, parked yourself somewhere and let everything come to you. you don't need to do anything while you're there, not even eye contact. the sluts would make their way around in the club looking for vk like yourself. once they see $ on your forehead, they would come to you asking for a lighter or a cigarette or sometimes they would slightly bump into you to struck a "halo, i am available" kind of thing. i must say that some of them are really hot man! once that happens, the show and tell stop there and you're on your own. the negotiation depend on how hot is the girl, how late at the time, your look (its help) and how much your little head want her! it all pretty much a standard routine. the club i spent alot of time at when i was there in 2002 was club speed. although my cousin recently spent a month in vn and he told me that the club got shut down along with other hot spots, due to some crack down.
in the morning when the weather is hot as hell! what you can do is go to the ho con rua area for some ca`fe and breakfast. that area have some high-end ca`fe shops for vk and sluts to hang out, and you know what's up when the two mixed together! the sluts are usually there in groups of three to four, just smile at the one you like and she'll find ways to come over to you. nothing to it. just make sure that you pay as you play! don't con any **** while you're there or you'll be in big trouble because all sluts have gangsters for protection. all the sluts know exactly who they are, so you don't need to sweet talk, dine and wine, buy gifts, none of that bullshit!
bia om can be alot of fun too if you go there with your friends as a group. the sluts there are usually good looking but no stunner like the ones at clubs, and price for take out are 1/2 in comparasion to sluts at clubs.
there are so much more. it's all depend on your taste, your budget, and your style of doing things.
Pop,
I am not currently in Vietnam but there is a slice chance that I might be there in August. If not, then I'll be there at the end of the year. Regarding the current scene in Saigon, your guess is as good as mine because the last time I was there was back in 2002. But not to worry, there will always be new and improved places for us to explore!
If opportunity allow, of course I would like to meet up with you so we can "quay" together!
Sexmaniac,
I used to be young like you and in my early 30's when I was single money was not a problem and I just spent my last dollar on a beer or on a girl I liked.
With that being said, I become more selective when it comes to money and the type of girl. Most of the time it is not the looks, because I know how these good looking girls are, but the circumstances leading to get the girls that excite me the most. Coming to bars (such as AN) do not exote me enough. Been there, done that at the time you were not even born. Read my other posts.
I like to try others thing that I've never done before. For example, it would be fun to go back to Hue and fuck couple girls in a boat on Perfume river. This is one activity that I did not have when I was young. Or, fuck 2 prostitutes of the same family (daughter and mother or two sisters). See, I have my preferences which completely are different than yours. In short, I don't think I am better than anyone here and I think you should think the same way. I understand you are still young and thus are too arogant to listen. But believe me, one day you will wake up and think about all these when your money is tight (due to support of your family or other needs) , you looks fade, your dick limps , ha ha.
Sexmaniac,
Please do not attack me as an "idiot" for telling you something you don't know about VN. I have posted many times here on HCMC, Ha Noi, etc. and you're the only one to ever attack me personally. I have been in and out of VN since 1991 and seen all the changes - good and bad. I briefly lived in tpHCM in '95 and at this very moment am sitting in an internet cafe in Cho Lon. The rate has gone up from my last visit in 2003. It's now 4000 dong/hr. - a 1000 dong increase. I guess inflation is out of control in VN - hehehe! The girls are cheaper than ever as it's a buyers market if you know what you're doing here and where to find some top ones. Most clubs have 2-1 or as high as 5-1 ratio of nu to nam (that's woman to man) - and I don't mean AN which can be the reverse with often poor quality at outrageous price quotes. You won't find me at Catwalk either, that's for sure! By the way, in a previous post someone mentioned an article on CW. I went to that site a bit earlier and read it. Unless I'm missing something it was not all that interesting or informative. Bascially, it just talked about a fashion show, the music, the overall "cool" ambiance, etc. I have no desire to walk into that overpriced club and hear over and over "hundred dollah, honey" or "okay, for you Mr. Smart Boss Man one million dong." Have only been in town a few days but met a lot of very nice young girls in the many new ca phe den around Nguyen Hue, D Plaza, etc. Club 17 Ton Duc Tang seems to be one of the hip and chic hangouts with lots of pretty ones. The xxxxxxxxx Hotel (censored by me) around the corner has a great massa/sauna place nearby staffed by a couple gems. A beautiful 19 year old blond VNese who is there was 100000d plus tip for BJ. I had her come to my hotel the other morning and after a great long full session gave her 400000d. I had already given her 200000d tip at the shop. This connection is really slow so I'll be back out on the hot street soon checking everything out, having a bia hoi for no more than 5000d and then back to the hotel later for a bit of aircon relax before off to some other night spots much later.
Your humble correspondent in tpHCM for the time being... Chao tam biet.
Hi Guys,
I loved my trip to VN 5 years ago. And I met a sweetie girl in District 1 near my hotel. Unfortunately I couldn't take her back with me to the hotel. And I didn't want to use a cheap love Hotel.
So, now I am planning on returning to HCMC, and I am in touch w/ this lovely girl I want to be with.
She said that maybe some of the hotels will let her and me stay, especially if I book it with her name too.
What is the word there in HCMC about bringing girls to the room? I plan on staying at the Delta Carravelle, the nice one in District 1.
Has there been a change in the rules regarding bringing the girls back to the hotel? I know the nice places dont let the girls in from the hours of 11pm, and 11am. Well, that's better than nothing.
thanks,
Lalake
Asia,
My suggest to you is that; don't criticize other people on how much they paid for a good time because you are only a one man band! It is great that you mention how much you paid each time you played so we can get a general idea, but don't call anyone "arrogant" and "stupid" for not paying the same price as you do. Here is why: There are so many sluts running around in Saigon and no one is screwing a same **** at the same time, and every "session" is a different experience for each monger. I am sure you have a vault of "knowledge and experience", but your "taste and style" might not be the same as the guy sitting next to you. I don't know about anyone else; but when I only have 3 weeks to stay in VN each time I visit, "money" is an issue I seldom think about. This have nothing to do with how much money I have to burn or how arrogant I am, it is about working hard and play harder when I get a chance for some stress relief. As you mention you had a "bia hoi" for 5,000d before you headed back to your hotel. It sounds refreshing and cheap! But that does not mean that a glass of "bia hoi" is the same quality and taste as a bottle of Ken, maybe it is to you but definitely not to me and many other people. So please take one's style and taste, as well as "quality and service" into consideration when you criticize people who paid 1,000,000d and above for a FS.
Lalake,
Delta Carravelle is a waste of money! Don't stay there unless your company is paying for your expenses. My info might be out dated, but the rule is that: a foreign touris cannot stay in the same room with a Vietnamese woman unless the two are married. The solution to this problem is that you need to get your woman her own room so she can have a room to run to in case there is a crack down. This is just bullshit, I think. Those high class hotels want to have a respectable image that's all. But why go through all that hassle?
There are so many smaller, privately own 2 stars hotels in Saigon for you to pick and choose. These hotels are new, very clean, very safe, and very cheap! And the rule I mention above does not applied to these hotels because the hotel staff just don't care. I paid 250,000d ($16.5) a nite including breakfast. Extremely girl friendly, 24/7! One time I even saw an English man escorted 2 girls to his room and no problem what so ever. Last time I was in VN, I stayed at Lan Lan2 located on Thu Khoa Huan street. It is less than 1 minute walk to the famous Ben Thanh market. Everything you need is around that area within walking distance.
I hope that help. Good luck!
Apocalipsy New disco is closed in HCM City?
The Carevelle should not be a problem, especially if you're staying on the low-rise (10F) section. There, the elevator (the one that goes to the Saigon Saigon rooftop bar) and the stairs are quite public and unmonitored. Having said that, the moto drivers also know short time hotels in the Pham Gu Lao area, I could point you to a couple of them.
Spoke to a friend in a travel agent and the recommendation is to have fun in the afternoon as the security does not check at that time - then if she is in your room before 9pm no sweat.
As I used to stay in the Caravelle I put this to the test and spent one sunday afternoon with two lovely ladies and yes walking across from SaigonSaigon bar was a breeze!
There is a local hotel near the New World where you pay USD35 per night and if you have no cash then they will simply add the girl to the bill and pay her the cash - now that is what you call service! Have used them a couple of times and had no issues with that!
Some of the cheap hotels are ok however if you want to relax then this is a better option and you can have a longer run at the affair.
Hello everyone,
Dirty Dog here. Well I will be returning to VN January 05. I am not posting any new info yet because I've been out of the country since September 2002. Im sure things have changed since I last indulged myself in VN. My methods won't change I'll just have to discover any new hot spots. Im not sure if I have posted it in the past but one of the clubs I fequent is "Black Jacks" in District one. It may or may not be still in business. They have great looking gals in there, most of them speak english and the enviroment is friendly and comfortable. Upstairs they have a disco tech that is open late (past midnight)- way past. Again, this may not be the case now. I met my last laison there. I took her out for a couple of days and eventually into bed. She wasn't that good in bed because she seemed nervous. She had great looks to compensate though. I will be posting regularly soon after I arive in January 05. C-ya all then.
(Rude Beast and Virgin are you still in Vietnam?)
Hi there,
I'm new to this board and will be visiting HCM in July for a vacation before working in China. My question is: Where is the best place in HCM to meet young non pro Vietnamese girls?. Are there any good shopping malls/cafes or discos to meet them. How about video arcades or ice cream shops?
Any advice would be appreciated
Trisomie
Reporting from HCMC: Leaving this AM for Mui Ne, Nha Trang and then ?? The past 12 days in HCMC (plus side trip to Vung Tau/Long Hai) have been very eventful from plenty of regular girls, to the usual street hustles, usual mafia vibe BS, some select bia om allstars, some massa pros, etc. Maybe the highlight has been that lots of lovely and sexxxy non-pros or semi-pros available day/night all over the place if you know how to act around them. I have had a few scenes on this trip with some gorgeous girls in virtual cat fights to gain my attention and keep it. As is my practice I kept my hotel unknown to most of them (even though I only stay in guest friendly places). Some will definitely park outside waiting for you or even hire a lookout to follow you! Many of these girls are well equiped w/latest fashions, cell phones, new moto bikes, at least some $ to burn - chay long rong!
My hotel for the first 4 nights was great (especially next door massa/sauna) but found an even better one now. It pays in more ways than one to shop around a bit and see what's out there - and not just in Quan 1. The last 6 nights at my latest private hotel is everything anyone could hope to want in HCMC. Relatively new yet with some expanded/remodeled freatures like basement nightclub, private karaoke lounge/rooms, massage/sauna, free breakfast, very nice large standard rooms/suites, sat TV, efficient aircon, modern lift, back up generator, 24/7 biz center w/internet service at (a bit high at 20000d/hr, on and on. My room is $21 although I could have taken a suite for $33. Joiner fee as long as you're discrete is 50000d after 10pm. I've stayed at New World Hotel when its rooms were $189 in '96! I don't care that they are now about one-third that much or around $90 if it's the Caravelle. Both of my hotels on this trip are better in every way than those sorry overpriced, unfriendly, communist joint venture rip offs.
Had a rather pathetic incident two nights ago near an expat friends place when half dozen stick swinging undercover goons tried to attack a sweet, lovely 19 y/o girl I was talking to (not the first time I've seen these thugs in action in tpHCM Q-1). We had just about agreed on 350000d or $20 as she was a bit confused on how I was going to be paying - US currency or VND. She ran like a terrified jackrabbit and jumped on the back of a pimps(?) moto and luckily escaped off into the night. I just stood there as they totally ignored me, finally walking back to my friends place a bit disappointed at missing that one. Until I can report again... tam biet!
Greetings Asiaphile and others.
I have read most of this board but with no luck. I should be in HCM city in about a fortnight. I will be bringing one of my own own pussy ladies with me but I intend to sample the local merchandise as well. Can anyone answer the following simple questions for me.
1. What is a cheap and discreet hotel to stay in?
2. What is the best and easiest way to get from the airport to the hotel? Are the taxi drivers safe or pains in the but?
3. Changing money: any problems?
4. Touring HCM with my retained pussy. Any ideas?
5. Getaway places near HCM City?
6. Any special dangrs to watch out for?
7. Whre is a good place to send a young filly shopping while I enjoy a pizza pussy?
A long report, giving basic information would be a great help not only to me but to all innocents at large.
Domino, the Pizza pussy man
Hello Asiaphiles,
Can you indicate the name of the hotel and the web-sites if it has?
A greeting.
1. What is a cheap and discreet hotel to stay in?
Any hotels near the Pham Ngu Lao street. You might want to try out the Hai Wan hotel on Nguyen Thai Hoc. $15/night
2. What is the best and easiest way to get from the airport to the hotel? Are the taxi drivers safe or pains in the but?
Take a cab, but make sure you negotiate the price before you get in the cab. It should be around 50,000 ($3 dollars) to get from the airport to District 1.
3. Changing money: any problems?
Go the the bank or any jewelry shop. The going rate should be $100 US for 1,574,000 dong.
4. Touring HCM with my retained pussy. Any ideas?
Bad idea, waste of money. Unless she is your fiance or wife, you are wasting precious time on pussy you already had many times over.
5. Getaway places near HCM City?
Da Lat, Vung Tau
6. Any special dangrs to watch out for?
Not really, just don't be stupid.
7. Whre is a good place to send a young filly shopping while I enjoy a pizza pussy?
Again, wasting money, but if you need some place to send her, the Diamond plaza is a pretty nice place to go. However, the prices there are ridiculous.
Whisper1 (and Jackson)
Thanks a LOT for this. It is a great start to nailing down information on modern HCM City. Please let me go over your questions:
1. What is a cheap and discreet hotel to stay in?
Any hotels near the Pham Ngu Lao street. You might want to try out the Hai Wan hotel on Nguyen Thai Hoc. $15/night. Done. There are lots of others there too. I just want my lady friend not to think I am mongering mad. (she will soon find out)
2. What is the best and easiest way to get from the airport to the hotel? Are the taxi drivers safe or pains in the but?
Take a cab, but make sure you negotiate the price before you get in the cab. It should be around 50,000 ($3 dollars) to get from the airport to District 1. Gotcha. We get in late and I don't want to be bushwhacked on the way.
3. Changing money: any problems?
Go the the bank or any jewelry shop. The going rate should be $100 US for 1,574,000 dong. The problem here is we don't get in till late at night. Hoefully, it will be ok.
4. Touring HCM with my retained pussy. Any ideas?
Bad idea, waste of money. Unless she is your fiance or wife, you are wasting precious time on pussy you already had many times over. She is part of the deal and she is going to have a very sore pussy at the end. I will also do lots of collateral damage on the locals, have no fear.
5. Getaway places near HCM City?
Da Lat, Vung Tau: Da lat sounds nice and romantic, Vung Tau seems like a shit heap.
6. Any special dangers to watch out for?
Not really, just don't be stupid. Once we get to the hotel and establish base, things should be fine.
7. Where is a good place to send a young filly shopping while I enjoy a pizza pussy? This will be her money, not mine so she can shop away
Jackson: When and if I come back from Vn, I will post lots of details
Domino,
We are looking forward to it and hope that you keep your words. Have fun!!!
http://www.vngold.com/gold/index.html
The above tourist ( non sex) link gives some good info on Vn, some of which confirms Whisper's helpful comments. It also gives a link telling how to go overland from Pattaya in Thailand via Sihanoukville in Cambodia to Vietnam. Now there is a run someone should do in the interests of research.
I've got most of the logistics worked out now. If time allows I will go up to Hue for old time's sake but pizza ass is more top of my agenda. Ths one is going to be a walk in the park.
I just arrived in Vietnam, and was wondering if anyone wanted to meet up with me and show a VK the ropes. Last time I was in VN, I went to some of the Bia Oms on Hai Ba Trung street, and want to try other places out. PM me if you guys need a sidekick at all.
wow. i haven't been back in two years, and blue, speed and spaceship have all closed down. apocalypse now is still open, though i'm not sure why anyone would want to go there.
of the old clubs, rainforest is the only one still open. i'm going there tonight, and will check out thanh long on cong quynh tomorrow, to see what it's like.
Not so much a report as several questions. I need a mongering holiday real bad.
1) After reading through previous reports I still cannot find a recommendation for a GF hotel (no extra) charge US$20-US$50 per night in the middle of everything. I have the visa and I plan to set off from Thailand July 7th.
Which raises another two questions?
2). What's the cheapest way to fly from Bangkok to HCM/Saigon return Bangkok
3). Has anyone tried the overland from Thailand via Cambodia Vietnam, crossing near Trat (Thailand) and entering Vietnam at a place called Ha Tien?
TIA,
Daring Mood
Daring Mood,
Check out this site:
http://saveflights.com/country/vietnam.html
Return fare from Bkk to HCM is $9700baht includes tax,etc . I used them to buy a one way from Bkk to HCM.
As for cheap hotels, check out Thanh Thu Hotel in district one (closed to the market called Cho Ben Thanh) Only one year old, girl friendly. I paid $20/night last year. Not too bad.
Good luck,
Cali
Daring Mood
The answers are all there - there is a couple of places you might like to try
Next to Camargue there is a hotel run by a Brit which allows over nighters as is only 35USd per night - another hotel which was a gem is at the back of New World Hotel - sorry cant remember the name but it is above street level. How I know this place is the girl took me there and they even allowed me to pay her using credit card and put it all on the bill as a room rate ! Such nice people - they are used to foreigners and wont rip you off and the girl just has to give her Id on the desk over night to comply with regulations - if you bring them during hte day they wont even bother doing that !
Have fun
Hi Everyone,
I'll be heading to TPHCM the 16th. Although I won't be doing any mongering, my wife will be with me, I will check out the scenes there in town. We tend to go a lot of places to eat and dance and I see quite a few girls that would probably be available if I was alone. I'll be hitting Da Lat and Nha Trang also while I am there.
One thing about the Viet girls. If they love you, it's serious. My wife is not only beautiful, she's smart as hell. But not only that, she's as faithful as anyone could want. I had to stop seeing other girls as it started to make me feel guilty. Anyway, she keeps me busy as hell, damn girl is horny as me.
Anyway, I'll try to take some pics of the girls I see and where they are and post them when I come back in August.
After almost a month of "snooping" around here to get the hang of the place, I finally wandered into one of the infamous "pool" bars near Vasco's. It was about 12:30 am and I was the only guy in the place. There must have been 20-30 girls working inside. ALmost immediately a very cute lady asked me to go upstairs and have a drink and play "pool". Interesting idea...
Upstairs, she starts rubbing my crouch and doing some serious DFK. Started a game of 9 ball, the object being the loser took of their clothes. This girl was a real hustler, missing all the easy shots in the beginning and then nailing a few great shots to win. But, forgeting the pool game, the whole time, she was in my pants, pulling out her breasts, letting me finger her while taking shots (she had on a nice short little dress and a thong underneath, nothing else!!). Offered to let her enjoy the prize from winning back at my place and she immediately agreed. After trying to "bar fine" me (which I graciously declined) she agreed to go ahead since she "liked me"..haha!
Back to my place for a serious round of hard core sex! Wow, this girl was hot and did everything...at least everything that I could hold up for. Her way of licking Mr. Happy and the luggage below almost got me off immediately and had to ask her to back off several times so I could still enjoy the main event. She refused to stop and told me "don't worry, we can do it more than once". Wonderful tight body, great perky breasts and great attitude. Total cost was around USD 50, including the drinks. This was a pleasant surprise given what I have seen so far here. Got her # and she is coming back tonight for round 2!
Starting to like this place!
Found It,
What's the address of this place? I kinda need a new bia om to check out. I've found that a lot of the ones on Hai Ba Trung are full of dogs.
Thanks.
Found It,
No wonder she didn't care about going twice. If it cost $50 USD, that is damn too much.
Found It,
I ran into a pool hall back in christmas of 02 in district one..would that place happen to be named Crystal's pool hall ?
I have a business trip in the coming week to Ho Chi Minh. I would greatly appreciate any suggestions or tips on where to go to meet girls. Bars, strip clubs or MP's with really nice looking girls and the cost I should expect.
Thank You
Was in HCMC early March and went into the Paradise bar. Quite empty and not the highest quality girls I've seen in Vietnam.
However, it was late, and had the same sort of strip pool game upstairs. She either: was very keen to get naked, thought that if you got naked you won, or she just couldn't play pool (I doubt it).
Having got naked I had a very good BBBJTC right there with an audience of other girls who had come up to deliver a towel to wipe up! Gave her a tip of 150,000VND.
She wanted to continue elsewhere for the night but I wasn't that drunk.
Ozirob
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Hi guys,
I'm new here. I live in Viet Nam but am currently back in the UK for a few months, should be going back to VN around October.
Hi Ozirob, was that the Paradise Bar on HO VAN HUE street?
If you guys want good BJ then go down to GO VAP district, PHAN VAN TRI street, if u drive along there you will see all the "ca phe" places, price is 70,000vnd so including tipping usual TOTAL is 100,000vnd. Good service, not a fancy hotel room or nothing like that, but you will be taken into an empty room where you will have you trousers taken down, told to lie down or sit down, then given a BJ, you can CIM and also fondle the girls too (same for every joint on that street)
If any info needed on anything I will try my best to help, I am not Vietnamese but I live there and speak the language and also have a business there on NGUYEN KIEM street Q.PN
Hi #2234,
I can't be sure but it was close to Hai Ba Trung, last in a row of what used to be several very busy establishments back around '95 (which was the first time I went there).
Yeah that's right, you would drive UP Hai Ba Trung onto Phan Dinh Phung, then past the 4way crossroad onto Nguyen Kiem in Phu Nhuan district (where my shop is) then turn left onto Ho Van Hue just past the rail tracks, drive up there and Paradise is on your left :)
If you guys want good massage then go to NGUYEN THAI SON in PHU NHUAN district, heading towards the airport direction from Ng Thai Son in GO VAP district, cross straight over the crossroads and it is on the right hand side. Cost to get in is 50,000vnd (and they will give u a ticket which allows you FREE ADMISSION the second time as long as it is before 4pm), inside has 2 saunas and jacuzzi etc. no lounge to sit in though, basically get your sauna and shower then straight up to room for massage, hence the price but the girls are NICE ;)
Prices to tip the girls is 50,000vnd if massage only and 100,000vnd if HJ is involved. Now I think I would be correctly speaking if I say most of you here will be foreigners, so obviously the girls will ask you first how much you are willing to pay (even with me they do that and they don't even know I am a foreigner because I look the same as Vietnamese), they will try to push 200,000vnd out of you (or maybe even more if you are a white man), tell them NO as you KNOW the STANDARD price is 100,000vnd. Put it this way, there is NO WAY they will decline because 100,000vnd is the STANDARD price for all local and regulars and at the end of the day foreigner or no foreigner 100,000vnd is better than NOTHING at all if they decline your offer.
Another wicked massage parlour is on CAO THANG over in Q.3 (district 3). Best way to get there (as Cao Thang is a long street) is to turn onto CAO THANG from NGUYEN THI MINH KHAI in Q.3 and it is on your left hand side, the sauna is called FESTIVAL. It is actually a leisure centre because it has Karaoke club there aswell. If you go by CYCLO then say "festiVAN" as the Vietnamese do not pronounce the letter L, they pronounce it N, so FESTIVAN and the driver will know where to take you.
If you want a good bar (actually the BEST bar in Sai Gon) then go to "261" NUMBER ONE on NGUYEN VAN TROI street, can't remember what district that will come under but I think it will be Q.1
Forget all the other clubs/discos because most are a ripp off because it is known by the foreigners/tourists. Go to the locals/viet kieu disco 261, I guarantee you will enjoy yourself and you will PULLas well! All viet kieu knows this place and all locals (usually RICH locals as the place is expensive for a standard Vietnamese earner), over the past couple of year LOTS of foreigners (I would imagine they have visited Sai Gon regularly) go into the club as they know that club is the best disco.
OK for you viet kieu brothers out there, if you want a good live band music joint then go to POLO situated on LY CHINH THANG in Q.3 district. Remember Ly Chinh Thang is a one-way street so you will have to go up to the top and drive down towards junction NAM KY KHOI NGHIA and you will see it on the right hand side situated on a corner. Upstairs is live band where people drink beer and brandsy etc. and they have girls that sit beside you and give you a good time, you can meet up with the girls afterwork (they finish at 12am). You can also get up and sing but it is not karaoke as such where you watch the screen and read the words, you have to know the words (or read of the notes). Downstairs is a cafe where you can drink softdrinks / coffee / beer and has an on-stage karaoke where you go up to sing in front of others.
Hope this helps and I hope some of you guys will meet up for a coffee when I get back in October.
member #2234,
What kind of business do you operate in Vietnam? If it is a BJ bar or cafe, I will give it a try when I am in Vietnam ;-)
When I was in VN, my friends and I went to one of the BJ cafe shops in Go Vap district during the day and it was an awesome one.
Nah man, I only go to them places to enjoy myself but I do not own one lol!
I own a Mobile Phone (cellular fone) Store on Nguyen Kiem, Phu Nhuan. We specialise in modifying phones and repairing, but we also sell them aswell :)
Yeah the Go Vap BJ cafes are the best for quality and value ;)
Member 2234,
Than you for a great post...Me and my buddy will be in Vietnam on Thursday night 7/15/04. Since its a late arrival at about 10pm..I hope you can give me some info as far as the night life since its been about 3 yrs since we last were there...and if its some type of business your operating there, I sure would like to meet up with you or your business for coffee.
Thanks,
Bobby
Yeah I would love to meet up, but I am not back in vn until October :(
Anyway, yeah if u wanna visit my business then the address is 447 Nguyen Kiem, Phuong 9, Quan Phu Nhuan. It's only a small telephone shop, the name is "HB328". It is DIRECTLY ACROSS the road from "LA MA" billiards leisure centre (which ALOT of foreigners visit aswell, I know a few american friends who visit there everyday). If you go into LA MA BILLIARDS then ask for HOANG/PHILIP (vietnamese name/english name), he is the boss there as is my very good friend, tell him "STEPHEN" sent you (me), he speaks fluent english/italian/chinese/vietnamese as he is a chinese viet-kieu. Address of La Ma is 434 Nguyen Kiem. No sex as such there but a fantastic place to go for a nice game of pool/billiards and it has a bar aswell, also the girls are nice looking ;)
Right, vietnamese does not have a lot of LEGAL nightlife :(
Most places will shut around 12am. Go to 261 (as mentioned in my previous post) or you can go to another bar which is called MTV across in district 3, I do not know the address but all the taxis etc. will know for definate as it is famous, the famous singer UNG HOANG PHUC just sang there live a couple of months ago (I went to see it too).
Another good disco to go to is the RAIN FOREST in district 1, again I do not know the address but most taxis will know as it is really a "white mans disco/hangout" if u know what I mean.
Hope this helps. (I would definately check out La Ma, everyone there knows me so if you tell them you are a friend of Stephen then they will be real friendly to you)
Well do Stephen. Thanks for the info. Will definitely stop by. We're only staying for 2 weeks so if I don't get to meet up with you. I'll definitely keep you posted when I return back to the states.
Thanks again!
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Yeah man keep me updated :)
Hope you and your friend enjoy yourselves.
If you need a simcard or top up whilst out there then my shop is well known as it is officially the cheapest in Phu Nhuan ;)
If you speak vietnamese then go in and ask for my partner "anh Binh" and tell him you are a friend of Stephen, he will keep you right.
Hope this helps out.
Maybe the next time you visit I will be in vn then we can meet up for a night out on the town ;)
the hot new nightclub in hcmc now is one just off pham ngu lao if you go south from that roundabout (the one where nguyen trai starts) -- you'll see it soon on your left side just before reaching bui vien. inside it's pretty overwhelming, with the standard vn tables setup and a postage sized dance floor in the middle of them all. but that's in the middle of what must be the biggest nightclub now in hcmc. setup (and size) reminds me of the old speed on tran hung dao. name of the place is volcano. this place opened up pretty recently. you can't be disappointed by this one. some of the outfits you see on people need to be seen to be believed. the women dress to stun. and then there's also some (girls and boys) who dress to look like they're from another planet.
dear mr. #2234, can you give us the name of the street that this nguyen thai son massage place is on? or else something more specific about how to get there? you said heading to the airport but didn't mention on which street. (or is nguyen thai son also the name of the street it's on? i don't know street names out in that area too well)
Ng Thai Son is the street name :)
The address of the VOLCANO disco is 150 Cong Quynh.
Is this place anygood? I wonder if they'll ever have something on the same level as Club Blue.
It's nothing like Blue. Thinking of Blue still brings a tear to my eyes. :(
hey g jelly,
is it atleast on the same level as club speed? if not i dont see any reason why to even go there just like spaceship. total waste of money when i was there in 02
Hi,
I will be in HCM next week first time good tips were I will find the girls. not for HJ or BJ. for FS ST and LT thx.
I will life in binh Than distrikt5 I think so.
Thanks,
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Hello,
I'm new here. I will be in Ho Chi Minh City next week.
Life will life in Binh Thanh Distrikt there are nice girls.
I not look for HJ or BJ I like FS ST or LT any good tips for are newbie.
And whats whis Police?
And how match I have to P4P?
Thanks for your help
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Alright guys (any gals in here? dont think so),
I've decided to head back to VN for a few weeks but it's been a year since i've been there. With our line of entertainment things change really fast so i'm here to look for more up to date info.
I saw the previous posts about massage, pool, karaoke, and clubs. So here is your chance all of those who are currently in VN or have been there in the last month to show me those hangouts (help a brother out). any info would be appreciated.
Also what are the prices of things these days, inflation cant be that much since last summer eh?
Member #2234/Stephen,
It's funny that you mention number ONE 261 on Ng. V. Troi because i went there before and really didnt like the place. Too loud and stuffy. Oh and yeah apparently there is one guy that owns all of the NUMBER ONE bars in hcmc, i have a connection to him, maybe he can show me around hehe.
Also if anyone is going to be in town and wants to meet up for coffee / beer / whatever feel free to let me know.
Dear All,
I will be in HCM beginning of Aug, does anyboddy know whether the below Hotel is girl friendly?
Thanks for your advice.
OMNI SAIGON HOTEL
253 Nguyen Van Troi Street, Phu Nhuan District
Anyboddy who numbers of call in girls, I would appriciate very much as I will only stay for one night in HCM, not much time to be wasted for hunting around.
Detlef
Fellow Mongerers,
Will be in HCM this Friday (30th) for an overnight transit to Haiphong on Saturday. I don't have a lot of time to sample the local delicacies so was wondering if anyone could recommend a reasonable hotel (price is not an issue) which may have an in-service or is close to a good puck up bar or karaoke/pool hall? Preferably close to the airport although I will travel to the right place.
Also any info on the scene in Haiphong would be appreciated. I have posted a couple of question in the "other areas" section but no one seems to want to respond.
Thanks for your help gents and I look forward to reporting on my exploits.
Cheers,
SM
case study: number one is not owned by one guy, 50% is owned by the military now because your FRIEND/OWNER had some big run-in with the law and ALL the NUMBER ONE's including 131 closed for around 3 months. Ask your FRIEND if you don't believe me, I get all the inside news as everyone in number knows me, even management. Hope this helps ;-)
Detlef: never been to that hotel but it is situated right beside WINDOWS 2 coffee shop. I am not sure but personally I would say it would be hard to get girls in there.
Help!
I need a way to get money to my Girl Friend. I want to use a Bank Card and only let her take out what is in the Account. What Card do people use for this. I know $100.00 goes a long way in VN and want to have a quick SAFE way of letting her have a little cash.
Thanks!
Bangkok Mac
about volcano.... it's way better than spaceship or any of the others i've been to here in hcmc, such as apocalypse, liquid or mua rung (rain forest) or the now-closed heat and 777. i compared it to speed mainly based on the layout and size. i was only in speed a couple of times in 2001, so i wasn't as familair with it as some others might be.
for anyone who just doesn't like discos, or nightclubs, well, then you might not like it. my visiting friend went to nhac tre / number one and then went to volcano -- he hated no. 1 and loved volcano. it's just much more interesting, and a much better setup for having opportunities to talk to / meet people. or dance.
an idea for the moderator: we sure do get a lot of hotel recommendation requests here -- for people not interested in hotels, it gets pretty tedious. what if there was a separate thread for hotels. maybe 'hcmc - nightlife' and 'hcmc - hotels'
So what WAS Club Blue like in its heydey ? I always see people here waxing poetic about how great it was (well, as close to poetic as things get here)... but not many say why.
What was so good about it? How was it different than these places that are here now... such as the ones I just mentioned in the last post....?
I think you just have to take it as a given that any disco you go into is gonna charge you probably 35000- 45000VND or so for a beer -- and that is probably less than you pay at any BAR back home, so.... if that bothers you, then just don't go there to drink. Sip it slow. These places also don't charge you at the door -- find me a decent nightclub in New York or London that won't charge you a cover. Look at it that way and it's a huge discount to have an evening there for the price of a beer. $3US, or 1.5 pounds.
If you don't like loud music, no then you should stay away, period. That's what discos are. They're places that play music very loud.
Hm, I would say Citibank, but I don't know how much of a presence they have in Saigon. I think HSBC could help you. Or call the Viet embassy and ask them. It's a tightly controlled environment, but there must be some way that the Viet kieus send money. Yeah, they would know. I'd be interested in "the correct answer" here myself.
When I was in Saigon, the only Bank that I recognized and reminded me of home was CitiBank. So if you have an account with them, then you should fine.
Bangkok Mac;
Any bank card would do because it will work at any ATM machine. When I was in VN, the daily maximum for withdraw was 2 Mil. Dong ($133.00) plus ONE Transaction Fee and ONE Service Fee for each time you use your card, so keep that in mind!
$100 can go a long way for SOME people but not ALL. I guess its all depend on the type of girl-friend that you have and her spending habits.
Good Luck.
All cash machines in VN accept DEBIT CARDS.
Your foreign debit card will have something like SOLO / SWITCH / MAESTRO / VISA ELECTRON etc. etc. printed on it.
VN cash machines accept them all, don't worry.
About sending money to someone, very easy to set up. Either set up an account in your own country just for her and give her the ATM card, she can use at any ATM, does not matter who's name is on the card. You can deposit every month in that account what ever you think she will need.
Or she can open an account in Vietnam at any bank that provides ATM cards, and you can wire money in her account every month.
Just be careful the girl is not "playing" you. But unlike Thailand, most of the girls are pretty faithful in Vietnam especially if you meet their family.
About hotels, my favorite has always been the Apple Hotel at 8A/3D2 Thai Van Lung St. Great rooms at a great price and very friendly staff, also in the center of all the action and best resturants. If they are full there are 2 right next door just as accomodating. I have a house in HCMC, and a house in Mekong now, that's how much I love this place. Hope it never becomes another Thailand or Phillipines. It's the one good thing you can say about the strict commie government, they will never let that happen.
I'll be there for about a month starting August 20 in case any of you guys want to meet up.
Bangkok Mac,
Wouldn't you use Western Union to get some money to her? Its likely she knows how that works.
Ozirob
Sort of right, the maximum withdrawal IS 2million BUT that is only in ONE TRANSACTION.
My bank card is from UK and I the limit here is £350 per day withdrawal (around 700us dollars).
When I am in VN and want to withdraw money, I have can get 2million off each withdrawal, and I can make 4-5 withdrawals.
Bangkok Mac:
I don't known which country you're living in, if you're in US, you can go to all Asian community, and ask them where can you sent the money to VN. In Southern California where i am living (San Diego) the charge was $4 per $100 to HCMC, and $8 per $100 to HN. Your girl friend must have her ID to proof who she was, an address where (the money senting to) she is staying, and the spellings on the receiver must be her name, in order for her to receive the fund easy. For ATM card, she must open a bank account, i believes there is a mimimun of money requires to open an account, most Vietnamese don't use banking system, they rather keeping cash with them.
good luck.
If you really don't want to go through all THE HASSLE of opening a bank account for her in Vietnam, filling out all the paper works or finding a money-transfer service back home in the Vietnamese community; all you need to do is just give her ONE OF YOUR DEBIT CARD WITH YOUR PIN NUMBERS (provided that you really trust & love this Gal of course!) so she can use it anytime and anywhere she likes in Vietnam. This way, you can control how much she can spend monthly and you can get the feel of things when you receive your bank statement at the end of each month.
I think this is the most convenience way. Although you may have to pay a bit more of $$$ this way because EACH TIME she uses the card to withdraw cash (does not matter how much she withdraw), there is ONE TRANSACTION FEE and ONE SERVICE FEE. So if she use your card 10 times a month, you will see on your bank statement a total of 10 Transaction fees and 10 Service Fees!
Just another option to think about my friend.
Good Luck.
There are a couple of ways to send or take out money in VN. Believe me I tried them all when I was over there.
1. If you are in the US, you can send via US Tours. They charge $2 for every $100 sent. And they take it to that person's address. Sending Western Union is a waste of money. I sent it before I learned about US Tours and it cost almost close to 20% or so to send overseas and they have to go to the Western Unions place to pick it up.
2. HSBC bank is good also. You can withdraw cash there.
3. There are many places where you can cash advance. I think VietCom Bank is the name near New World Hotel.
4. Many jewlry places will charge your card and give you cash. I think they charge me $50 for the $2000 charged to my credit card. Not bad for a purchase instead of cash advance.
I think that was about it. Not cheap having a lady in Vietnam. Hahaha.
Just got back from VN with my wife and was noting the discussion line concerning money to VN. My wife and I used the ATM method that was discussed, setting up an account and giving her a card to withdraw or deposit money from there. Although before my wife and I were married she would take money out of the account I had set up for her and re-deposit it in her bank, due to them paying 10% interest rate over a 6 month period, hence making a little money on it. She doesn't like to spend at all and would rather save as much as possible.
One note, not all the banks in Vietnam are connected to the international banking systems yet. Vietcombank is and you can withdraw money from the ATM there on international accounts. They charge a 20,000 VND fee per transaction and of course whatever your bank charges for international transactions, mine is $3 per transaction. The highest amount is 2 million per transaction as mentioned.
I used several different ATM's in Saigon with no problem and also used ones in Nha Trang and Dalat with the same results.
Just some info for anyone that's interested.
OK I have read the thread and it is very hard for me to believe that with all the HCMC experts in here there is no Info on how to avoid the 50/100 DOLLAR (S/T)girls in HCMC or where to find the one that end up in Cambodia for half the price for all night.
I will be in HCMC in 2 weeks looking for some fun with 3 friends from Canada for 3 weeks.
HELP
You would figure at the source it would be cheaper maybe its just me.
There are many places you can get girls for less than $50 a nite. It just depends on the quality you like. If you go to the clubs the girls will ask for that. They think they are all that and will demand it. But you can always counter. There are the Karoke bars where the girls are cheaper. Less than $50 for the whole nite and you have to go early to get the good ones. But some places have over 200 girls for you to choose from. You just have to make them all come in so you can pick. But going to those places cost a lot of money so not worth it if you are going alone or with just one or two friends. There are the street walkers or the moped girls. Those are cheap but quality not as good.
I hope you can speak vietnamese. Cause you can some of these girls free if you know how to talk to them. They think they will get something long term but we all know we just want to bust a nut for free. But we don't have to tell them that.
Thanks Papasan,
If you have the names and addresses of any of the places where you can get In Service. That would be helpful, you can also PM me if you like with the details.
Also Out service the places you liked the best.
Are you in HCMC now?
Me, and I think everybody else looking at this board, will be pleased to receive further information about those details, thanks.
I will be in HCMC next August, 22.
IOTR
HCMC is a wonderful place.
I had got a nice chute and very beautiful lady in HCMC for only US $25 for a short time by a accident / chance.
Next day she called & asked me if she can spend night with me for only US $50.
She gave me her mobile number too. She told me she is married to a Foreigner. She likes to sleep with a nice man for her body needs, hence she charges money so little.
She told me to give her info to only Foreigners.
If you need PM me.
Enjoy Wonderful lady at very reasonable charges.
John
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Hello,
I will happen to go to SaiGon by mid October. I’ve been there in last November and enjoyed district 1 very much (I know most of the information that has been posted, but would be happy to answer directly to specific questions, if I can). Everybody knows that district 5 (Cho Lon) was famous in the past for its night activities. I visited the district but was just unable to locate anything!
To optimize my stay, I would appreciate if some experts could tell me if:
1 – ChoLon has still some (hidden) charms reletively to the basic topics ?
2 - If the answer is yes, is it possible to get some addresses of :
* some (clean) GF hotels to stay a long time,
* where are the SW operating,
* where to find good girls (P4P) for LT or LTR.
Many thanks in advance.
DOM
Hmm.. wouldn't mind hearing more. Do you have any pics of this mistake/chance girl?
OK HCMC Guys,
I will be there on friday the 27th. Who is up for a beer?
WOW,
I am really dissapointed that NO one that is reading this post/thread is "In Country" what's up with that?
I wish I could meet up, but I am not due back in VN until around November
Does anyone have any feedback on the girls at the nightclub or
karaoke bar in the Amara Saigon?
Well if you stay there until December, I will have a beer with you. My friends and I will be there from December 20-January 4th. I will check this forum and maybe hook up with anyone in here for Remy and soda.
Thanks for your reply Member #2234. It looks like its going to get down to the wire on this visit.
2 days and counting down.
This will be the first location (out of 20) I have been to where there was no one to show me the sights. What a shame.
Hi all,
Does anyone have any feedback on the nightclub and karaoke in
the Saigon Amara?
Finally, I was able to get my membership upgraded Thanks for all the helpful information. I will be in saigon in Xmas. Can't wait to see my Viet GF.
AP
it seems as if the space that used to be speed has reopened -- not sure but there's a brand new hotel there, with signs for a disco/nightclub called gossip attached to it. haven't been inside, so no idea what it's like now, but this is exactly where speed was.
i'm in hcmc but i dont' know of any 'charms' or hotels in cholon, sorry.
Batman...
to find lower priced girls, go to bars in Pham Ngu Lao: Sahara (better) or Lost in Saigon... there you'll find much cheaper girls. Typical is 500,000 overnight.
Hi Dom,
You can check out the hair salonsgirls in Tran Hung Dao Q5 between Hang-Chau Hotel and Hang Long Hotel (At least 6 or 7 of them within two blocks).
I normally spent 1 hour with the girl just to massage and check out her body. If I like her, I will ask her to stop by my hotel. The normal rate is 350,000D to 500,000D for ST and 500,000D to 1,000,000D for LT depend on girls.
Don't know any G friendly hotel in Cholon. All the one I know now closed. I normally traveled with another guy, I rent two rooms but only register one room and never had problem bring girls to any hotels in Vietnam.
AP.
Hi,
For the first time I’m going to Bangkok, Hanoi, Hue and HCMC. I only speak English and am looking for suggestions as to where to find ‘some company’ who speaks some English. In other places I’ve gone into a department type store to ‘shop’ and if I found one to my liking, I’d strike up a conversation and ask if she could help me find some place for dinner and help me sightseeing the next day. I also offer to pay her for her day(s) of lost wages at the store. Is this a good approach also in Thailand and VN?
Where else can I have a good chance of finding an English speaking friend?
Thanks,
Fred
Hey Wendella I am in the area close to the New World Hotel (distict 1) now and things are going well. I will post a complete report /pictures next week.
Hello!
One comment: Pham Ngu Lao girls often steal. One even stole my condoms because I had locked everything else! Take care!
Fred Gold, I'm not sure I understand your question. If you are looking for friends, it should be easy, just by hanging around (but I doubt people would leave their job like that). If you are looking for freebies to make love with, whatever the way, the probability is extremely low.
Ok I am back from Saigon.
The good news is that the area around Pham Ngu Lao (near the New World Hotel)is a perfect location for the budget minded traveler. Lots of backpackers and foreigners and a laid back crowd
I was able to sit in many outdoor type bars and the girls come right up to you no pimps or touts (some mamas will make introductions in some places).
I found a girl friendly hotel very close by for $18 per night all they wanted is the girls ID (which I like).
I did a couple of the so called BJ bars but they were way over priced or maybe it was just cause I am a white guy
I do feel that the girls are scared about being busted (they dont carry condoms) and the hotels get in big trouble if they get raided so I will not publish any names or pictures with this report.
PM for more info.
The scene seems underground and controled by "mafia"
I never paid more than 500,000 for all night and 3 nights was able to get what I wanted for 400,000 LT
Motor bike drivers are crazy beer is good, cold and cheap (Tiger) I won a keychain.
I tried the massage place at the Phu Tho Hotel (district 11)and it was a great massage ( one of the best ever)but nothing extra 75,000 for one hour ( I got 2 hours)
I still prefer PP
Good news for those who Enjoy Vietnam.
Service is direct from SFO and LAX
I personally hope to catch an E-fare down the road.
United is adding new service into Asia! Flights to Vietnam start in December, so start planning your trip now with these great introductory fares.
http://www.united.com/page/article/0,6722,50064,00.html
Travel Report
Follows from the VIETNAM / OTHER AREAS section.
Ho Chi Minh City:
Hotel: Hotel Than Long, Mac Thi Buoi St, Dist. 1
Price: US$ 18. Breakfast included.
GF?: Yes. The night doorman said to me that I had to pay US$5 for the night guest, but when I checked out I had no such charge on my bill.
Notes: Ok hotel, just in the middle of the action, 50 meters from U2!
Day 1:
Went to a bar just left of our hotel (liquid?), but the girls were too pushy and went away.
Saw so many stunners on Club 51, and in club 49 nearby!
Went to Paradise "Pool Parlour", but it was COMPLETELY dark, and we didn't like it. Monkey bar was "same same", you can't see anything inside.
In the Phan Ngu Lao Area, so many beautiful girl in the back seats of many motoguys. The guy approaches you offering "sex massage", but did not checked them.
Be really carefull with them, everybody say they try to stole everything!
Day 2:
Foot Massage in Phan Ngu Lao, no action at all.
Went to the Volcano Disco, in Phan Ngu Lao area, no entry fee. So many stunners, so many japanese overpaying everything! We ran away... no action for you if you don't want to spend lots of money.
No more girls on motorbike, but so many young guys on bicycles cycling around the area making sound with so unusual "bells". You'll notice them, ask them for the girls.
I looked for, but I wasn't able to find, those bars: Greenfield, Green hill, Hoang Pen Bar, Cafè window, Linda, Long Phi. Apocalypse Now was closed down.
Went very late to the U2 bar (picture in photo gallery), 'cos there was this very beautiful girl (9 in my personal scale) outside, name Ann.
I was the only coustomer, and there were more than 30 girls available inside, mot of them good looking. Tiger beer was 30.000 VND, lady drink 50.000 VND. Ann asked me US$70 for LT, bargained at US$ 60.
LT turned in a Medium Time (three hours), but I had two great sessions, with maybe the best BBBJ in my life, and very good and passionate FS. It worth all the money.
Day 3:
Went to Riverside Hotel massage, on D Ton Duc Thang, close to Me Linh Sq.
80.000 VND 45' body massage, 150.000 VND for a 90' session with sauna available. Choose the 45' session if you don't like sauna, 'cos she's not able to massage you for more than one hour.
HJ tip 200.000 VND minimum, and she was very scared in performing it. She acted the HJ under the towel looking everywhere very suspicious! Not so relaxing.
"Take away" available, but I didn't like her so much. Not a great experience, btw.
Just close there were the famous "Club 17", and was really full. It seems to be not a girl bar, but was able to spot some good looking freelancers.
It follows in the CAMBODIA / PHNOM PENH section.
hey guys,
I usually post in the Thailand section, and I need some quick help on HCM city. I am supposed to go there in just a few weeks, and have no idea where to stay, what to see, ect.
I'm meeting one girl that told me I can get a VISA at the airport as long as I have the hotel intinerary. Is it true? Can somebody recommend a moderate to low cost hotel that you can bring a girlfriend to? PM me if you have any info. Sorry to interrupt this thread. I'll post when I return. Thanks!
You can get a visa at the airport, but don't, takes forever... Check the WEB, there are lots of companies who can process the Visa for you for a fee, and if your in a hurry, it's the fastest. If your and American or Canadian, you can send your passport, photo and a filled out application to your local VN embassy, take about 3 days turnaround.
Hope this helps/
Lance Toronto
Domino,
Thanks for the link. Yep, I'm a US citizen, but I'll most likely be flying there from Thailand. I'm trying to read through all these posts and gather info since I'm a total newbie to Vietnam. I've spent years in Asia, but this is my first trip there. I'm trying to do it a bit on the cheap, but still have some decent level of comfort. Thanks.
Dana:
I would recommend that, if you're in Bangkok, you go to the Vietnamese Embassy there, fill out an application, and you can get your visa a day later. You need to smile alot, and tell them you would really appreciate any assistance they can give you. You might also have to show them a round trip ticket. This is exactly what I have done three times, and it's always worked well.
Have a great time.
GE
ItalyontheRoad,
I stayed at the same hotel on Mac Thi Buoi in March. Decent place for the money I thought, and the proximity to U2 (and other interesting places) was quite good.
Good enough,
Thanks for the recommendation on getting the VISA in Bangkok.
I'll be leaving soon, but still have no clear idea on where to stay or what part of the city is best for me. There is one girl I plan on meeting, but in case that is short lived can anyone pm me with some help? I downloaded about 20 pages from this forum, but the topics are all over the place. Thanks!
Yo guys!
Long time no speak.
Anyway, to all who know me, can I ask who will be in HCM beginning of November? Me going back end of October so would love to meet up for a drink.
Defef
Did you ever get an answer to whether the OMNI is girl friendly?
Thank you El Frances,
Also guys, is there much of a chance of being hassled by police if I take a girl back to my hotel (assuming it is GF) for either ST or LT?
In reading reports, it seems that the best thing to do on checking into a hotel is to register for two people and not one (lol if traveling alone). There is less chance of a hassle? Is that right?
Thanks,
Fred
No I don't think the Omni is girl friendly. The hotel I stay at is Thanh Long on Pham Thai in Dist. 1. It cost about 15 usd per night and the rooms are very clean. they will even call in girls for you at night.
I am trying to remember.
Any of you up to posting a map of all those wonderful hotels and discos etc?
I asked this in the proper area, but got no response, so let me try here.
Anyone been around the new resort area near the Furama South of Danang? I will be in that area in a month for about 5 weeks. I have heard nothing about it from the monger point of view.
Here's a quick report.
U2 is a sure thing. The girls are all in there in skirts with no skivvies underneath. Before you bar fine a girl, you know exactly what you are getting.
Had a nice GFE session with Ahn. She took us to a local hotel. $30 for the room. $2 for 2 condoms.
Showered, massage, Ahn on top first session, doggie second. 2 hours later, I took her back to the bar for a drink, went back to my hotel (Renaissance in walking distance to U2 and ATMs) and slept it off.
US$80 for the night.
Hi,
I will be back to Saigon in Xmas. Can anyone recommend some good places for Beer-Om and Karaoke bar with good choice of girls. The places I visited in the past in Q8 area either closed or all went down hill when I visited last year. Any info will be very helpful. Thanks
AP
Where is U2? Also, how much did you tip Ahn?
Canyon
Where is U2? Also, how much did you pay Ahn?
Canyon
Heres my experience of mid August this year. I hooked up with one curvy SW between the US & British Consulates. Walked a good 300 yards to the Sofitel Plaza with her and she was munching on some fruit and spitting out the seeds all over the street (managed to stick that fruit in my pocket eventually). Got stopped by the Security in the Hotel, it was a couple of minutes past the H Hour; the Chief waved me through with a plea to be done quickly.
In the elevator she indicates to me that she likes the Hotel. We walk into my Suite and she asks me if I have condoms. The SWs do not carry condoms in HCM! Get this, she calls the Operator and aks for Room Service, guess she asks for condoms cause they do not show up. Five minutes later I kick her out. She is afraid she'll be busted as she leaves the Hotel - the hell with her, I have a case of blue balls!
Hey guys,
Me back in HCM at end of Oct, anyone wanna meet up?
Also just out of curiousity is there anyone here on this board from UK?
Austin
Beer om is not the trend any more, I don't know what other guys think but there are so many rip off establishments that many have shy away. The ones that go there are usually old and rich local officials or business man who have reputations and money to burn. Stay away from them unless someone introduced you to a legitimate one and there are few.
I prefer to get a number from friends or maybe for you. a member in the forum can pm you. Or go to a legitimate bar to pick up a girl. I also like to go to the "barber shops" on Dien Bien Phu to get a bj and if you like the girl you can met her after work or something. Be careful and have fun
Hi all WSG members,
I am new to this forum. And I am so happy that I had been upgrade as a Regular Member! By the way, I will be at VN at the end of November. If anyone want to have some beer, feel free to PM me. Thanks!
Thanks Columpuss,
I agreed. I was in Saigon early this year and every one of them try to rip me off. Eas not like that few yeras ago. The the beer-om girls asked me to tips the Mamasan 200,000D, The girls gave me a BJ only get 150,000D. Why should I tip her?
I love those barber shops but only limited to tye area in Cholon (close to Dong Khank Hotel). Can you tell me where is the barber shops in Dien Bien Phu? I think I know the street but can you tell me which section? Any good bars to pickup girls? Thanks!
AP
U2 has good memories for me.
It is on Mac Thi Buoi St, a few doors down from the "fake" Hard Rock Cafe.
I went on two of the three nights I was in HCMC in March. The first night, I was making out with this cute tiny thing within 2 mins of walking in the door. Had whatever passed for underwear completely off and in my pocket and her white blouse undone and bra unhooked in the 3rd minute.
We played around a while longer, she was doing extensive playing with me, and then we went to a corner in the back for BBBJTCIMWS. US$15 equiv IIRC.
Two nights later went back and picked a different girl. They have a room upstairs (but you have to go outside to get to the stairs). DFK, BBBJ, covered FS for US$20.
I probably overpaid a bit for both, but wasn't in the mood to haggle very much, since I was tired after my daytime work.
Staying at the Sheraton - any action in the hotel or nearby?
Thanks - have read a lot of reports but HCM is new to me - Hong Kong my usual place.
No Info here. Come on Guys...
You can always go to massage inside the hotel for a HJ (or any hotels near by). Any Cyclo or Motor bike guys waiting around any street conner also a good source to ask for info. They will bring you a girls to you within 15 to 30 minutes.
Your 2nd option is walk around the city hall area. They will come to you. The city hall is only 5 minutes walk from your hotel.
Your hotel will not allow you to take girls to your room after 10pm unless you book a 2nd room for the girl. I suggestion is take the girl to your room during the day, most hotel only require the girl register in the front desk.
Yes, in the restaurant club-bar upstairs. When you get out of the elevators, turn left.
Yo guys! I will be back in VN on the 25th! Anyone wanting to meet up then PM me for my mobile number.
Hi,
All members and anyone else reading this report. I along with my friend have been to HCM 6 times and on each visit we have had a great time .Re karaoke bars steer clear of them unless taken to one by a local that you trust as the last one cost us 4 million dong ,still a good night though.
Try the Red Door its a great bar just around the corner from the smiley bar ,that is a fantastic place great ladies also the famous U2 all reports are true
Viet Vet,
Where is the Red Door? Number and Street? Give us more details on why you liked the place.
Guys,
I'll be in HCMC on Nov 19 until around 24th then I'll be up in Hanoi. If anyone else going to be around during that time, let me know. I would love to meet up for a beer or something. My local cell number during that time is: 0913578850.
As part of the discount for my flight with NWA, I am forced to spend a night in Singapore. So, I'll be there on the night of the 18th if anyone else going to be there that night. I'll also post this on the singapore section.
Lastly, anyone know what frequency are in used for GSM cell phones in VN? I found some references to GSM 1800 but, I also heard that 1900 may also work. I want to purchase a used cell phone to bring over there and don't want to get stuck with a useless brick.
Thanks,
---Z
VN only works on 900mhz
Trust me, I own a phone shop there ;)
Good Question
When you get the answers, can you share the info here?
Thx,
Fred
Hey,
I will be in Saigon on Nov 13. Would you like to hook up for a drink? Will call you when I'm there.
Cheers mate,
Tom
Tom, and others:
Just give me a call when you get to SG. I'll add more time to my phone once I get there. I am currently working on a few leads but, I heard that it is very easy to get anything you wanted in SG. So, this might not be needed. Is the city still shutdown after midnight like in Hanoi? I know that the goverment has an on going policy for all commercial stores to close at midnight but, after all this is SG.
---Z
short update:
in the disco scene apocalypse now is dead, nothing happening at all. waste of time and money, esp now that priices for drinks have doubled. only known happening spot with many freelancers is the niteclub level 23 in the sheraton. not for the budget minded!
apart from this there are a couple of discotheques with 99% vietnamese patrons, which usually have their share of fl's. they'll find you. environment is very loud, very crowded, very dark, ...for example speed.
girliebars on hai ba trung are working, nothing much has changed here.
after 12, when all above mentioned places are closing (with exceptions), your best bet would be to go to the backpacker area around hai ba trung street and visit the beer bars there. very mixed scene with lots of freelancers and the vn "in" crowd. prices are lower than for the example in sheraton, as it is late and these gitrls are obviously left over or on ther second stint, and it is the backpacker area. starts at around vnd 300.000 for a one time shot, depending on the girl. lt never more than 50 usd, please. some of these bars close very late (early), 5 or 6 am.
another good option, for those willing to go this way, are all the vietnamese dating and chat sites. load and loads of girls, have to sift through and sort out the ones wanting to get married and so on, there is still a good selection left over. if you are in hcmc you can usually meet them on very short notice for a coffee. these are not professional girls, they are looking for romance, adventure, marriage, whatever. don't offer them p4p, buy them presents.
ho chi minh is really bulging with girls, and believe me, at least half of them want to f**k a foreigner. but it is not thailand, nothing is in your face.
Ratufreddie,
Thank you for the update. I'll be there in three week's time and i cannot wait.
Those dating and chat sites, any web site addresses you suggest? I would love to line up a non-pro.
Peace.
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After 12, when all above mentioned places are closing (with exceptions), your best bet would be to go to the backpacker area around Hai Ba Trung Street and visit the beer bars there. Very mixed scene with lots of freelancers and the vn "in" crowd. Some of these bars close very late (early), 5 or 6 am.
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Ratufreddie, thanks for the report.
As you mention Hai Ba Trung area, what are the best currents late-night bars to meet the "in crowd" cutties and the best freelancers ?
Also any recommandation for some "before disco" good bars/happy hours, with this kind of crowd ?
Thanks
Hello everyone!
I will be traveling to Vietnam end of December and would just like to introduce myself onto the board. Alot of very useful information here and hopefully when I return I will be able to do a full right-up.... I plan on traveling throughout VN from HCM to Hanoi while visiting numerous area's along the way. It's just me and another friend and really the only thing I am quite worried about is getting ripped off b/c we are viet kieu and this will be our first time in VN.
I sort of have the travel bug so I look forward to exploring the untamed parts of VN.
PS When in VN is it possible to get a cell phone service activated for 1 month? I am told to bring a bunch of old cellular phones back to VN as they are wanted.
Thank you very much,
I'll be looking forward to adding much info to this section.
My 4th trip to SE Asia is coming up and I've provided much info in the Thailand section over the past 18 months. Been to Thailand, among other places, three times now.
I'm going to VN for the first time beginning Nov. 15 and staying for four to seven days. If anyone here will be there during that time frame, please pm me.
After reading the archives for about an hour (starting from 2002 posts), I got burned out and started reading the recent ones backwards, so, I hate to say this, but I'm looking for some clift notes. It's clear this is different from the Thailand scene. If someone could please take a few moments to help out a Senior member, that would be awsome.
So, in a nutshell, here's what I'm looking for:
1) Hotels - "Friendly", reasonably priced, clean, good location. Please provide some details and recommendations.
Do hotels have safes? Seems advisable only to carry small amounts of cash, copy of US passport, and carry all valuables in secure travel wallet.
2) Night Scene - how to, where to go, do's & don'ts, is the midnight closure in effect, what time do things get started, dance and discos, etc.
3) Day (non-sexual) tourist activities
Since I'll only be in HCM for less than one week, I'd like to make the most of this trip and not spend the whole time trying to figure things out.
I plan to continue to read-up here as much as I can, but it's hard to absorb eveything all at once.
Hamilton W. -
I also need info. (your items 1 +2) for HCM as I'll be there for a spell starting Nov. 22. Anybody please share your advice.
As for the touristy things to do, my research show the following:
1. Chu Chi tunnels/ Cao-Dai temple ( for some info.: [url]http://www.mishalov.com/Vietnam_Cu-Chi.html[/url] and [url]http://www.offtherails.com/caodai.html[/url] )
2. Take a day or overnight tour to the Mekong Delta region (an travel agent can set you up for such a trip).
3. In the city itself:
-War remnants museum
-Ben Thanh Market
-Notre Dame Cathedral
-HCM's own Chinatown
-a slew of bars and restaurants to discover
Good luck and I hope also that somebody shares some more info..
BBM
I'll be in HCMC on the 20th. Have a few girls line up. They will help me get a hotel there and maybe introduce me to some girl friends of theirs. Email me at [email]zergut2014@yahoo.com[/email] with your email so that I can send you my phone number once I get there. I would love to have a wingman on during my trips to the bars and discos. Let me know if you would be up for it.
---Z
[QUOTE=Green Gopher]Hello everyone!
I will be traveling to Vietnam end of December and would just like to introduce myself onto the board. Alot of very useful information here and hopefully when I return I will be able to do a full right-up.... I plan on traveling throughout VN from HCM to Hanoi while visiting numerous area's along the way. It's just me and another friend and really the only thing I am quite worried about is getting ripped off b/c we are viet kieu and this will be our first time in VN.
I sort of have the travel bug so I look forward to exploring the untamed parts of VN.
PS When in VN is it possible to get a cell phone service activated for 1 month? I am told to bring a bunch of old cellular phones back to VN as they are wanted.
Thank you very much,
I'll be looking forward to adding much info to this section.[/QUOTE]
Anybody know where I can get tickets to fly out from LAX to Vietnam for the end of december beginning january time frame? my travel agency screwed up and me and my buddy are out of our tickets. We had a pretty sweet deal going on too.... Thanks if anybody has any useful info PM me and beers on me in Vietnam ;)
My friends and I will be there from the 15th to the 24th. PM me if you want to hook up. Lets go crazy for 1 week. I can't wait.
Try Nova travel online, they might have something, I have used them before and are usuallyl pretty reliable. [url]www.novatravel.com[/url]
[QUOTE=Green Gopher]Anybody know where I can get tickets to fly out from LAX to Vietnam for the end of december beginning january time frame? my travel agency screwed up and me and my buddy are out of our tickets. We had a pretty sweet deal going on too.... Thanks if anybody has any useful info PM me and beers on me in Vietnam ;)[/QUOTE]
I got in to HCMC on Monday. Met some friends and just learn my way around today. HCMC is more expensive then Hanoi by almost 2X. The standard ST is 200KVD with your own hotel to 300KVD for staying at theirs. The overnight fee is 500KVND for 7 hours at your hotel. I have not try at their hotel. Do not try the Pham Ngu Lao area. There are nothing there except for some druggies. Most of the contacts on this board are out of date. Apocalyse, U2 and other places sucks big time. Your best bet would be to go to a bar or a dance hall and get a phone number to call back the next day. The girls at the bars are paid to drink with you and they will do almost anything to get continue client at their table. If they don't have steady client, they get fired.
I have a few pictures I will post when I get back. I found a few big boobs girls but most are short. The taller ones are rather skinny. My contact number is 0909445001 if anyone wants to hang out. I am heading out to 'thu duc' tomorrow with a local guy who know places to go. I also heard that Bien Hoa is nice so, I might check that out.
---Z
OK. As promised, here are some more info. Last night I went to a bar/discotechque called VIVAS on 69 Huynh Thuc Khang. The girls there are cute. But the story is you have to pay for a bottle of of rum, gin, vodka or what ever. The girl will come to help you drink and serve you. She will also dance with you and you can feel her up. You will need to tip her about 50kvd to 100kvd to get her phone number so, that you can call her later when she is not working. It is a long process and not all of the girls can speak English. The girls told me that they have 1 day off a week and if you call her to reserve her table and come to the bar 3-4 times a week then she will go out with you on her day off. Girls there work from 5PM until 2AM on working days so, do not listen if they ask you for money with the promise that they will go with you later that day. I also went to another bar and found a girl who would do almost anything you want if you reserve a table at the bar with her a few night. I forgot the place name but it is near where I stay. Her name is Bich Van and her phone is 0908895672.
I also went to a steam bath/massage place about 100 meter from the corner of Nguyen Kiem and Ho van Hue in Phu Nhan district. You pay the front desk 50KVD to have a steam room then about 1 hour of straight massage. If you tip the girl about 150-200KVD then you can get a hand job.
At night I took a taxi and told him that I want him to find me a girl for the night. He took me to a group of lout on XeOm and had them drive a few girls out for me to look. I saw one that I like and took her back to my hotel for 500KVD overnight. I have her sister (also her boss) phone number if anyone wants to call but, they do not speak English so you will need a translator to tell them what you want. I found out that she had only been working for about a week. Her name is Phuong and her boss is Lien. As her boss to send her to your hotel for 200KVD for 1 hour or 500VND for overnight.
So far, HCMC proved to be a tough nut to crack for the types of girls I want. It just take way too much time to build up a contact list.
I am heading to Vung Tau today so, I'll post what I find there when I get back to HCMC. Hope the above help someone.
Hi fellow mongers,
Coming in to HCM on 16th Dec for 2 days from Honk Kong. I am originally from bombay. Staying at the Sheraton. I need help in fuguring out where to monger and for how much. I would love to meet up for a drink at the hotel.
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Hey all, some news on my time in HCMC. As zergut points out, it is not easy here. I am sure that if one has time to make the contacts, they'll be fine, But working with a few days is a diff. story.
1. Some guys ride around on bicycles offering to get you a mass.. S'm kinda hesitant to try this again after the guy took me to *his* place. no no no and I left fast.
2. Street walkers. It's not as though I saw tons of them, but upon going back to my hotel one evening, two of them found me. THANK GOD! Otherwise i'd be spanking the monley aain that evening. I took 'em both for $60 for the remainder of the evening. It was pretty much standard motions with them, though all attention was on me and not with each other. Too bad as I would've enjoyed that.
3. Girl friendly hotels ... don't think they exist unless you start paying off the hotel reception. The ladies menioned above took me down to some local hotel which (probably a family member) gave them a room for us.
Some taxi guys offered some ladies ... but i was hesitant between them and the other street guys offering $5 bags of pot, i stayed away ... felt like I was being set up for a bust. Just paranoid I guess, but that was my gut instinct.
Overall - it's not BKK. if whoring is your goal, be prepared to do some leg work ... then share the info. with us!
Just got back from my trip to HCM, Singapore and Hanoi and like to share some info. First off, I think I like Hanoi better. The girls there have better attitute and have whiter skin. But, back to the fact finding. In HCM I found 2 hotels that are very girl friendly. One is in the Phu Nhuan/Go Vap area and the other is in the Tan Binh district. Of the two, I prefer the one in Phu Nhuan district better. The rate was around 150KVD or about 10USD/day. I brought girls to either one without having the girl provide ID and most of the time I arrive with the girl around 1-2AM. The second hotel is managed by very friendly 3 northen girls. I was hitting on the manager, cuter of the 3, but, was too busy to follow-up. The addresses are:
Lacapro hotel - 270/6 ho van hue 2, phu nhuan district, 08.8423808
Ngoc Diep hotel - E10 Xuan Hong, Tan Binh district, 08.852109
Now to the girls. I found a few leads but, many of these do not speak English so, get the hotel manager or an interpreter to order for you. Prices are around 350kvd to 500kvd for overnight. If they send someone you don't like you can send back and ask for another.
Lien: This woman has 2 girls working for her and she has contact for more. Her number is 0913757306. She is based near Phu Nhuan district
Ty: This guy has 2 girls working for him and he also has contact for more. His number is 0909365832. He is based near Dien Bien Phu avenue close to the airport.
Quang: This guy is a middleman. He go off and find the girls for you for a fee. His number is 0918044476.
There are also numerous street walker around most of the parks. They do not stand around but are on back of XeOm. If you get your own XeOm to ride around the streets after 11PM they will approach you. They will ride next to you while negotiating a price. Just get a XeOm guy to take you around looking for them.
I also went to numerous massage parlor and billard shops and found that YMMV. Most will offer hand-job for around 100KVD-150KVD or around 8-10USD. The billard place will usually try to get you to buy expensive beer while sitting with a girl and feel her up while she either give you a hand-job or blow but, usually in the open where others can watch. I am not too much into this. Two place I tried are:
TTDV Massage: 368 Dao duy Anh, Phu Nhuan district, 8423997
and other around 20 Hoang Van Thu
for the billard: Rang Dong Bar, and U2. Both are on Thi Sach street, district 1. The address for Rang Dong is 15C/2 Thi Sach.
I tried to hit on the bar maid here and it turn out to be the owner's (woman) daughter. Off course she did not want to go out with me...
Also, When I was in HCM I meet a fellow monger (A... from Cali) I lost your phone. Can you PM me...
Hi Zergut,
I will be in Saigon next week and will try to contact some of the numbers listed. Any suggestion? I just try to save them a trip and bring the right girls to me. I have no problem communicate with them. Just lookingfor some young cuties. thanks !
AP
Yes. The day has finally arrived. I am leaving for Saigon tonite and will be there on Wedsday. If anyone wants to help me with numbers please post contacts. Zergut...I am gonna call some of the numbers you posted. I hope they have enough girls. There will be 13 of us guys going. YES! I am finally gonna be back in Saigon.
Hi all,
Was in HCM on 16th & 17th nites. Stayed at sheraton. Ventured out of the hotel on first evening and was immediately accosted by a dude wanting $3 for a one hour tour where het gets me a woman. So I sat behind his bike and away we went. rode around for nearly 30 mins when we cam to the outskirts of the city and there was a massage joint there. lotsa women down and two grabbed me and took me upstairs. Teh place stank!! They lay me down and got out $40 in all for a BJ with two women and a supposed massage. No english knowledge as such. Bad deal in all.
So back I went to the hotel and the giude promises to take me to a gr8 girl next day who give me "boom-boom". On the 23rd floor I see a night club and get in to see lotsa women waiting to get picked up. Since I am tired I tell myself I will be back and head off to the room.
Next nite I am back at the club to see an american band called Saint O performing with a black chick as the lead. I order my favourite absolute on the rocks and check out the crowd, see who I like and motion her over next to me. She orders a Gin. Again verry lil english but am told that she will not get to my room but will go to another hotel close by.
Room charges $30 and I can pay what I like for her. So we trot off to a decent joint.
She immediately starts demanding $50 for herself. After reading all the posts here about $5 women etc, I am in a mind fuck whether I am about to get ripped off so I back off and start walkin home. Two women on a abike spot me and stop to negotiate. They start with $40 but agree to $10 for a BJ in a nearby alley. There were people passing by and this chick was blowing me. That was a bit WILD. She ventually deep throated me and I blew my load in 10 mins or so.
Headed home.
They women on the streets in Vietnam are among the most beautiful I have ever seen.
Most likely the two women on a bike were ladyboys. Especially if you met them around the central area.
[QUOTE=Member #2634]Hi all,
Two women on a abike spot me and stop to negotiate. They start with $40 but agree to $10 for a BJ in a nearby alley. There were people passing by and this chick was blowing me. That was a bit WILD. She ventually deep throated me and I blew my load in 10 mins or so.
Headed home.[/quote]
It is easy to get laid in Saigon. Just talk to a few motorbike drivers, find one you like, and get him to help you find a girl-friendly hotel. There are many in Saigon, and some hotels even arrange for girls to come meet you, and they rent by the hour or by the night.
I did this last night, the driver took me to look at a couple places. I said I just want to look at the hotel, and not get a girl yet. He took me to one that was great, $10 for the hour or $15 all night (big nice clean room, AC, fridge). It was only 200 meters from the guesthouse that I was already staying at in the cheap backpackers area Pham Ngu Lao. I went up to look at the room, then came back down, and the hotel had called a girl to come over and she was already waiting to meet me downstairs! She was a super-hot 19 year old that spoke some english and her price was $20.
We went upstairs to the room for the hour, she asked if I wanted another friend to come over for a 3-some, I said how about tomorrow. She was very fun. I got her phone number and will call her tonight and meet her and her friend tonight hopefully. I changed hotels today so I'm set for the rest of my Saigon stay.
1. Walking around at night in the city center you will get approached by motorbike drivers every 2 minutes offering massage, girl, or pot. I was very hesitant to go with any of them but finally found one I trusted that spoke english. I paid him 20K dong for helping me out.
2. A motorbike passed me with 2 girls, they turned around and got off and came up to me and tried to get me to go with them. They looked beautiful from a distance but up close I was 80% sure that they were ladyboys. So watch out!
3. Also I saw lots of hot girls riding on the back of motorbikes that I'm pretty sure were working. I might try flagging some down to chat.
4. I went to the Sheraton 23rd floor bar. Its expensive and I wasn't all that impressed with the hookers in there. Just from the look of the place I'm sure they were out of my price range so I left after 1 beer.
I'll be here for another 3-5 days if anyone wants to meet up.
Fellow mongers!
I will be in HCMC early February and would like to spend a night or two with some fellow mongers to see the sights! I prefer young-looking girls (legal please), small tits, and bald beavers. I know this may be difficult in Viet. ,from what I'm told, but any push in the right direction would be incredibly appreciated.
Also, any cigar bars in HCMC? also, this may be a stupid question, but any good French bakeries? I live in Seoul and believe me, they have no idea on how to make breads, pastries, etc.
This is my first trip to V and am looking forward to it, hope to meet some of you guys while there.
I got ripped off last night... Talked to a girl hanging out with her moto driver and she was young and cute and seemed really nice and said $20 for an hour. We went to my room and I liked her alot and she said would I like to do all night for $60 and f**k 3 times. I said sure and paid her the $60. Then when we are naked she says she wants another $10 to suck. I said no thanks I've already paid enough and don't want to pay anymore, but she won't take no for an answer. After a few minutes of this I'm totally limp and now I *have* to get sucked in order to get back in the mood so I paid her the $10. Then after we finished and the hour was over she says she wants to leave now! I said give me back some of my money but suddenly she doesn't speak english anymore and doesn't understand me. So what can I do except let her leave.
And today she sent me a sms message asking if I want to see her again! What a b*tch!
I learned my lessons, I will not ever agree to another all-nighter, and I also won't ever pay first.
China 69
All-nighters should not be a problem in HCM, but of course it's better not to pay before. Maybe also better not to take a girl from the street. In case of problem, if the hotel staff knows you bring girls to your room, you can ask for their help. Just tell them the girl stole you!
Member 2634
Sorry guy, 99,99% probability that they were ladyboy!
[QUOTE=Fun Planet]Fellow mongers!
I will be in HCMC early February and would like to spend a night or two with some fellow mongers to see the sights! I prefer young-looking girls (legal please), small tits, and bald beavers. I know this may be difficult in Viet. ,from what I'm told, but any push in the right direction would be incredibly appreciated.
Also, any cigar bars in HCMC? also, this may be a stupid question, but any good French bakeries? I live in Seoul and believe me, they have no idea on how to make breads, pastries, etc.
This is my first trip to V and am looking forward to it, hope to meet some of you guys while there.[/QUOTE]Hello,
Don't worry about bread and bakeries, it has been the contribution of the French to the Vietnamese civilisation; There are many bakeries and one is just in front of the New World Hotel.
For the (nice and legal) young-looking girls you like, you can find them easily by 9-10 pm (with their pimp), in the street (service side of the New World Hotel) that crosses the public garden. But, usually, they do not want to spend the whole night, even if they say so; so beware, go to a hotel you know and never pay before.
Have a good stay,
Dirty Old Man
This is my first trip to HCMC, and have found it quite interesting - much more modern and clean than I imagined.
I had the opportunity to check out Lido Massage (265 Pham Ngu Lao St. Dist. 1, in the back and upstairs. This is in the same area you'll find all the Westerners (just down the street from Allez Boo).
Had a very pretty girl named Ngan. The regular massage was good (I work out regularly, and most don't have enough strength to really give a good massage), the "extra" massage was a bit uninspired, but she kept at it, changing tactics to conclusion. She didn't seem to mind that I returned the massage favor. :-)
Following that, had a "free" foot massage in the lounge... all for the princely sum of $250K VND ($100K VND ticket, $100K VND for tip, $50K VND for foot massage tip). Oh, and $10K VND for the valet. A very pleasant way to spend $16USD.
I also got the mobile number of Ngan, and hope to follow up with another report.
Yi Ren
Hi guys,
Just to let you guys know I am still in Viet Nam and I have recently opened up a coffee shop here with some nice girl staff ;-)
It is a normal coffee shop but you will get the GF effect, and after wrking hours you can take them out for a drink and some snacks and.....well the rest depends on yourself I guess ;-)
My new coffee shop is at 47 Ho Van Hue, P9, Phu Nhuan district.
My contact number is still my original one 0908674826.
Hope to meet more of you guys soon.
Sorry I don't have time this trip to check out Member #2234's coffee shop (off to Bangkok tomorrow afternoon), but did partake in a couple Karaoke places while in HCMC: first a "locals" one ("67", IRRC) and then an upscale, "international" one called Catwalk.
The locals one is a bit more, uh, "basic" than Catwalk, but it's also a lot more reasonable. Most of the girls speak little or no English, while it seemed a number of girls at Catwalk spoke English, Japanese or Korean to some extent.
Got the mobile number of the girl who sat with me, and called her the next night, while we were at Catwalk. I was happy to have an excuse to bail, as I just couldn't seem to get into it. Could be that we didn't get a room - just sat in a sort of lounge area, and I don't sing, so making conversaton can sometimes be tiresome. FWIW, my host suggested 150K VND tip at "67", and the same for the short amount of time the one at Catwalk sat with me.
So the girl comes to meet me outside, and we grab a taxi for my hotel. I had been warned by my local hosts the upscale hotels may not allow her in, but I just walked her right in, acting as if it were completely normal. No questions asked
(BTW, I've had the same experience wherever I travel - even in Beijing - but I don't drag chicks trailing feather boas and the like through hotel lobbies.)
This girl is 21, lives on the outskirts of the city, named Thuy. Very nice - shy, almost reticent. Small breasts, but an amazing ass. Why is that most Vietnamese women seem to have incredibles asses?
Anyway, she's seems a bit inexperienced, but seemed to enjoy the festivities, if her body contortions and sounds were any indication. After a couple of shots, we fall asleep, but I'm awakened by her stroking me to erection - not once, but twice during the night! Talk about GFE - hell, I've had girlfriends who weren't as friendly! :-)
She text messages me the next couple of days wanting to meet again; says she misses me, but I figure she may miss the dong (as in VND) as well... hey, it's a hazard of the avocation. We hooked up tonight (she came to meet me at a cafe where I hang out in Pham Ngu Lao), and headed to my hotel.
We have a nice session, I doze off a little while she showers, and when I awake, she's dressed and says she needs to go home. I'm a bit surprised, but say OK. Then when I ask how much, she just shakes her head and quietly slips out the door. (And for you cynics out there, not a dong was missing from my wallet.)
I had tipped her 200K VND at "67", then gave her 700K VND the first night (was told 600 K VND was good). That converts to about $57USD total. I just love Vietnam!
Yi Ren
I got tired of Saigon street girls so I thought I would go upmarket and get a more expensive girl from a disco. Went to Apocalypse Now a few times and saw some pros there who were regulars. I asked around and was told they go for $50. One pro was hitting on me so I danced with her and hung out for a while then she wanted to go back to the hotel. She had a very hot-looking bod while wearing clothes but she wasn't so great naked. She told me she was divorced and had a kid (thus the sagging body parts). She gave the absolute worst BBBJ in the history of the world; lots of teeth and forceful sucking. I was in pain and told her to stop. The lay was so-so due to my hurting d*ck. Then she decided to stay all night and kept me awake by laying all over me. Overall a waste of $50.
I never tried any other discos. Are there any others that foreigners go to?
interesting point on upmarket girls. In my experience they just don't exist.
There are upmarket venues ( with prices to fit) and the girls you meet there are the exactly same ones you can meet 3 hours later in smaller bars.
What goes with the venue is always the price, in Apocalypse it will be hard to find any hooker willing to negotiate for under $50, most of them in fact want more, like USD 70 overnight.
Same girls in a more "downmarket" venue a little later 30 -50 USD. And of course there is absolutely no guarantee that what you get for the higher price is in anyway justified.
This place is right next to Catwalk. It's my second visit, the first being early last year, during which I was attended by a cutie who spoke very little English and was only willing to provide a HJ at way above the rates indicated here. Then again, this place is managed by International Tourist Club (ITC), full of Japanese, Taiwanese, HKers, etc.
The girl who attended me looked about 8, but wore a little too much make up for my liking. Anyway she spoke reasonably good English, and can converse in Chinese as well. The massage itself was quite good, my only worry was the popping sounds my spine made when she stood on my back and exerted deliberate pressure with her toes. When she realised that I was shivering slightly in the cold room, she offered a body hug for a full 30 seconds to warm me up, and rubbed my fingers quite thoroughly. When the teasing part came (as all masseuses invariably do when they are soliciting for extra services), it wasn't subtle at all - she held it and started kissing it. To my surprise she proceeded with BBBJ, then told me how she usually "use hands only", but she kind of like my smile and my Vietnamese/Thai looks, so she's willing to use her mouth. Then she asked whether I want her to massage it - what a question! I asked whether I can touch her, she immediately said yes, moved closer, lifted up her tight bra when I had difficulty putting my fingers through it, and even allowed me to kiss her breasts. All these without any mention of $$$, except when it was time to go she asked me to indicate on a sheet of paper how much I want to tip her, which will be settled at the front desk. That was the greatest massage I've had - both the regular and the extras, since I'm not really into FS at massage parlors.
On the way out I was given a voucher for a free drink at Catwalk, so I popped over to enjoy the drink and the live music, without engaging the company of the absolute stunners that sashayed about at the lounge.
My only complaint - the signboard outside displayed VND 180,000+++ for a 60 minute massage, but that somehow translated in USD 22. The receptionist explained sheepishly that it there is a 30% tax or whatever, but even then... go figure that out. But with the free drink and the service I had, guess I can't complain too much.
I will be sent by my insurance company for 6 months in Ho Chi Minh (with flat and expat packages). Mongering seems much more difficult than in other South East Asian countries.
What would be the best plan to find stunners in Ho Chi Minh ? I can spend some times to chase good girls but I do not really know where. One of my friend told me that I should put a advertisment in a local newspaper. I don'ty know. If one of the member of this forum can give me precious advices, I would be pleased.
I will be sent as expat in HCM by my swiss insurance company. I can go every week end to Bangkok for pussies but .... is it necessary ? can I get what I am looking for on the local market ?
What is the good strategy to get a collection of good girls ? I will try vietsingle but I do not want the traditionnal "Girl waiting for her western husband" ... I just want some girlfriends to enjoy life & sex in Saigon. Is it possible ? What are the best sources of pussies ?
I think University could be a solution... I will try to give some courses in the insurance sector in order to collect cell phones numbers... If you have good suggestions ... I would be pleased.
I hope that soon I will be able to give you plenty of news about HCM.
I met a chat freebie on my last trip to HCMC. She came to meet me at the Rex Hotel and called me from the lobby. I came down to meet her and as we got in the lift, a bell boy stopped us and asked us to go to the front desk. The girl there explained to my date that she was not allowed to go to the room, even though it was mid afternoon. I was told if I want to talk to her, I can do it in the lobby. This is the law in Vietnam.
Can anyone tell me if there is a relatively up-scale hotel in the same area as the Rex that has a more enlightened attitude toward guests?
First time I hear this! This has not to do with vietnamese law, but hotel rules. Most upscale hotels allow visitors before 10 or 11 pm, bust ask visitors to register with their ID card. So I guess any other hotel would be OK (try Sofitel, the food is excellent!). You may inquire about hotel rules before registering (it's better to talk about a "girlfriend").
It is also possible that, for some reason, the girl did not want to register (too young, no valid ID, or already registered by the police). Sometimes freebies are not what they look like (It's just an hypothesis).
[QUOTE=Member #2234]Hi guys,
Just to let you guys know I am still in Viet Nam and I have recently opened up a coffee shop here with some nice girl staff ;-)
It is a normal coffee shop but you will get the GF effect, and after wrking hours you can take them out for a drink and some snacks and.....well the rest depends on yourself I guess ;-)
My new coffee shop is at 47 Ho Van Hue, P9, Phu Nhuan district.
My contact number is still my original one 0908674826.
Hope to meet more of you guys soon.[/QUOTE]
I will be out there in April and will stop by and visit your coffee shop...Hope you'll have even more nice looking girls by that time
Hi m8,
I am not Vietnamese but I do live in VN, I have also met a few members from here. I would love to meet up.
Hi!
Bad news and good news for you !
The bad news is that here is no girl that will go with you just for fun and sex in vietnam! They will only have sex with you if you can be usefull to them.
If you are looking for company, you have the choice between:
(1) Girls you will meet in expat bars or discos, that will go with you for 50$, most of them will be happy to spend some time having fun with you.
(2) Girls that are in the "boyfriend business", who will ask you money for buying clothes, motorcycle, hospital for their mother, school fees for their sister, etc. It may be more expensive than case (1),
(3) Girls looking for a husband, who will expect some commitment from you, introduce you to their familly, and also expect from you some financial support (as a way to check your commitment).
(4) Any combination of the above.
You may find a few legends about freebies in this Forum, but don't rely on this perspective.
The good news is that girls of any of the above categories will be young, often beautifull, nice and friendly.
If you are only looking for sex, and willing to discover the non-expat scene, you can also find vietnamese speaking girls for 20 $ short-time, or get suck in barber shops for 10 $.
Anybody could give me some addresses of GF Hotels in central HaNoi, comfortable enough to stay one week.
Thanks a lot.
Will be there the end of March through mid May for business. Anyone else will be there during that time in Saigon? Any good massage parlors with nice looking girls that are willing to give BJ?
I arrive in HCM Wednesday nite and still need to pick a hotel. I'm surprised that there isn't more discussion here about girl friendly hotels. I did see these reccomendations:
Lacapro hotel - 270/6 ho van hue 2, phu nhuan district, 08.8423808
Ngoc Diep hotel - E10 Xuan Hong, Tan Binh district, 08.852109
but no prices or details. Is there a hotel, or an area where the mongers tend to stay?
In San Jose, Costa Rica and Buenos Aires, Argentina, most guys stay in a specific area and it provides a convenient way to hook up.
I'm also thinking of bussing or flying to Phnom Penh, Cambodia. Better mongering?
Anybody that wants to get together, either in HCM or PP, pls PM me.
Dboy:
One of the reasons I do not post info on girl friendly hotels in VN on an open forum like this anymore is simple. VN is a harsh totalitarian communist state where prostitution is illegal and hotel owners can get into BIG trouble for such "indescretions." They can go to jail, be fined, or at best forced to pay shakedown protection. All of my hotel selections are privately owned (a key - avoid govermment owned) and generally decent 2-3 star places vs. luxury 4-5 star hotels. I once mentioned a great GF place here located in the heart of the Hai Ba Trung red zone in HCM and within a year or two it was overrun with out-of-control mongers who because they were not discrete caused the owner to have to pay excessive protection money. Soon after it became not friendly. BTW, most of these GF hotels are in the $15-$30 range as opposed to the $50-$100+ range of the usually overpriced and useless luxury hotels. You can often get a very nice tourist class suite for around $30 and girl friendly if you shop around a bit.
If you don't know the lay of the land and the rules of the road in VN you are definitely better off mongering elsewhere - such as Cambodia. Best of luck.
Asiaphile is totally correct. I lived in Vietnam for about 7 months (though mostly in Hanoi) and saw several privately-owned places wrecked by indiscreet mongers. Delboy, if you need some help with Hanoi, PM me and I'll be glad to help. During all of my time in HCMC, I was already with a lady, so I had no problems as we registered together.
GE
[QUOTE=DirtyOldMan]Anybody could give me some addresses of GF Hotels in central HaNoi, comfortable enough to stay one week.
Thanks a lot.[/QUOTE]Try Fourtuna Hotel it's GF Hotel and also has freat karaoke place call BOSS on basement
Hello Dboy, how are you? Met you at one of Jackson's Clarin sex parties in Buenos Aires around Thanksgiving '03. Great fun. Gotta get back soon.
Anyway, regarding Saigon, I was there in September. We came from BKK to Saigon and then overlanded to Pnom Penh, then back to BKK.
Frankly, Saigon isn't worth a visit. We had a guide who showed us around the first night. We went to Apocalypse Now and some other club. Apoc.Now had way more guys than girs. You had to basically solicit the girls. After the pleasures of BKK, there was no way we were going to bother with that.
Went to some other club where a 'hostess' joins you at the table for a fee. You buy drinks and dance and supposedly, later on you cut a deal with her. Lotta work. Fuck that. We passed. Called it an early night.
We stayed at the New World hotel which we knew from the board was not girl friendly but it didn't matter. From the dearth of girls to the dearth of clubs to the dearth of monger friendly hotels, it quickly becomes obvious that Saigon is not a monger's town.
The streets are clogged with thousands upon thousands of motorcycles which makes crossing a real game of chicken. This makes even walking the city very difficult. Sounds like you are going to be in town anyway, so check out the Vietcong tunnels at Cu Chi, about an hour or two outside town and let off some rounds at the range. Also the chinese quarter of Saigon, Cho Lon is interesting. Thats it. Two days tops, then flee. Think of what makes Buenos Aires great, then think of the exact opposite, and you've got Saigon.
Don't know about buses to PP from Saigon. We hired a driver AND our indispensable guide. First, you have to get a visa in Saigon to go to Cambo. About $25 I recall. The guide brought us to a store a few blocks from the New World. They took the passport and returned it the next day with the visa. About a two or three dollar fee. Great value.
The border crossing is a blast. Our guide located 'enablers' who bribed the VN border guards to process us for $5 each. The enabler gets $5 too. In 30 minutes you are walking across the moonscape that is the Vn/Cambo border. The alternative is to line up with the other foreigners in the hot sun for hours. Spoke to an Israeli girl who had all her papers in order but who waited about six hours. We did the math. Six hours or $10? Quickly came to a decision.
"Baggage handlers' will carry your stuff across the border for a small fee. At the other side, you get a driver to take you to PP. We paid $40. Maybe its possible to get it for less, but who cares.
Vietnam is poor. But Cambo is the pits. You see that as soon as you cross. Livestock everywhere. No electricity in the homes etc. But interesting.
PP has bars like Sharkeys and Martini's where you can meet the girls. Daytime, they have casas. Transport about town is on the back of a motorcycle. The city is very rundown but much more fun that Saigon. Its crawling with NGOs. They're everywhere.
Have fun and report back to us. Remember the huddled masses of mongers sitting in front of their screens in sex starved places like the US. Take pity on us. Throw us a report once in a while.
Don
Dashing Don,
I think I vaguely remember the Clarin experiment. Wasn't that when Roxana called about 25 girls from the newspaper classifieds, and invited them to a 4 bedroom apartment with 8 or 9 mongers? Didn't we all show up with our own sheets? I think we then spent the next 6 hours trying out girls, filling out a rating sheet for Jackson's records, eating, drinking, taking photos, comparing notes and watching a lesbian show? Am I forgetting anything? Tamara from Uruguay was my favorite. Yeah, I guess I do remember!
Actually, I did pretty well last nite. Arrived in Saigon at 10 pm, sort of drunk, got a cab, went to the Pham Ngu Lao area looking for a hotel.
First one was full. Down the street for a beer, saw a place across the street, $10 per nite, clean, cool, and girl friendly. Phi Long. Not a typical mongering place, very basic, but clean and secure. The night guy told me a guest needed an ID and that he would call up to my room as the girl was leaving.
20 minutes later, the first bar I enter has one girl and pretty much nobody else. She was nice enough, we talked, I offered, she accepted, but . . . no ID. I passed.
Next little street front bar had 2 girls. I focused on the youner one, who spoke no English. Very hot and sexy, total spinner with a great smile and no attitude, but . . . I was about to pass on this beauty, simply because she looked too young. I thought maybe 16, but with great boobs.
Then an older English speaker helped out. She assured me that the girl was 22, but pointed out that she's only been working 1 week. That was enough to conince me. $30 for an hour was a generous offer and she was great. Long straight hair downstairs. Am I in bush country? I can handle that.
Haven't ventured out yet, but I think I'll like it here for the 5 days I have. More to come.
[QUOTE=Member #1192]Try Fourtuna Hotel it's GF Hotel and also has freat karaoke place call BOSS on basement[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tip. Is it close to the center?
The hotel is in Hanoi, not HCM city. I spent a few minutes looking for it online yesterday without any result. I did find one in Hanoi though.
hi,
i'm back in vietnam. it seems to be more crowded than last year. probably it has become an alternative destination for thailand tourists because of the tsunami. as i wanted to hunt a little and have a nice evening, i went to sheraton and apocalypse. last year in june apocalypse was deserted and the sheraton disco overpacked. now it seems to be more balanced, with an advantage for apocalypse. apocalypse seems to have recovered the fun spirit of the old days. i don't know if the working girls still have to pay mafia to work there. anyway i spotted a nice slim girl with blond hair and very sweet smile and began to talk to her. after some time we begin to talk about what will happen next and she asks me 100 $. no chance i woulkd pay that! people work one month in saigon to earn 50$. when the price of pussy exceeds the average monthly salary, there's something rotten! ok, maybe i would pay 100 for a "pearl of asia' type of girl, but not for the sheraton or apocalypse girls. anyway, i quickly found another girl. different type, more the 'come fuck me' type of look. maybe not so pretty as the first one, but i was happy to see the first one was still alone at closing time. serves her right! anyway number two had very firm body and making love as if i was [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] her. so good!
next day, with one of my non-pro regular. gosh! she had not made love since i was in saigon last time and her pussy was so tight i could hardly put my dick inside. but she was so hot! i already miss her!
i am now in nha trang. overcrowded! a few new girls in sailing club, it's a welcomed change, i was really tired of the old regulars. girls try to take advantage of people coming from saigon by asking the same price: 50$. but you can have them overnight for 500 00 dongs, or less if they are desperate. that's the average monthly wage in nha trang. astonishing ! anyway, the spirit of sailing club is still there and i have a lot of fun!
also lots of young cute girls around you can get for 300 000. but it's only boom boom one shot and they don't speak a single word of english. but they are so cute! girls in lodge disco ask now for 100$. it's so ridiculous! they are not more beautifull than the others. only the dress is different.
i love this country!
Anybody can give some advise how is this bar? Heard before there are some girls in the bar are offering for sex, anyway someone please advise how much they offer and how's the quality of the girls.
Thanks
I've been in Sg for about 10 years now and yes, many things have changed. In fact sex was more open 10 years ago than it is now. Sw's on Nguyen Thi Minh Khai Street (near downtown) are very few now compared to about 5 years ago. Police checks are so common now that most have split up to different areas of HCMC. The airport area use to have many SW's but now most girls have to be called out by the mamasan standing on the street corner. Use to be much more fun!!!!!!!!!! Not to worry though, if you go to the round-about at the end of Ly Van Sy street (near airport), they will find you.
A new SW area popped up on Xo Viet Nghia Tinh St towards national hwy #1. These girls are much higher quality and all ride on motorbikes. Much more discreet and they will not approach you. Can't give you any details as I have not tried. I know too many people along this street! Oh well. Prices on Ng Thi Minh Khai are on average 150,000vnd (if you are a local)short time but these higher quality ones should command at least double this. The girls on Xo Viet Nghia Tinh seem much more presentable (looks classier) as compared to other places.
HR James,
Saigon Saigon is not the best place. Generally much higher prices and low quality (older ladies). This is because Saigon Saigon is on top of the five star Caravelle Hotel. It is assumed that anyone who goes there has money to spend. To tell you the truth, these older ladies (many of them less than a 5) get away with charging higher prices because they can speak some English. It is easier to pick up someone who you can converse with. On the other hand, the younger ones (most young ones from the provinces) do not speak any English at all. A 30 yr old has much more exposure, (thus can speak English) as opposed to a fresh 18 yr old who has just come to HCM looking for work. In otherwords, the ones you find in Saigon Saigon Bar have been around for a long long time. Thats how many of them learn English. Not fresh at all!
Thus , this is what separates the local bars from expat bars. If you have a local friend, have him take you to some local places. If you want high quality at a reasonable price, stay away from expat bars. If you have no where to turn you can always try this bar called "Safari" on Pham Ngu Lao St. This is sort of a 1/2 expat 1/2 local bar. Prices are cheaper than Saigon Saigon at about 500,000vnd. Still 500k is double what locals would pay for the same quality. Note if you are not asian and do not speak any VN, 500k is the going rate. Go to Safari at about 1am as this is when the crowd comes in. They are open until 4am. Most girls here speak some English but not all.
Good luck!
Saigon Sam,
Thanks a lot for your advise, will check out Safari on Sunday night when I reach there.
I know this might not interest many but for some of you out there a real massage is welcome after a long day (or night). There are some hj places that do offer a good body rub but nothing compares to this place on Tran Hung Dao St near the corner of Nguyen Tri Phuong. Another good one is on Ly Van Sy St. I can't remember the exact name, but its something "Anh" its in an area where lots of clothing stores are. (about 500m passed Amara Hotel as you head up from downtown and on your left - with a purple sign)
Both are excellent. Now that I think of it maybe the one on Ly Van Sy is a little better. Both are really inexpensive at 50k/hour with sauna and steam bath included. Tip the girl another 50k. In total less than $6.50 for the whole deal. Also a good place to bring your vn girlfriend if you have one. They have separate rooms for men and women.
Your post brought back some amusing memories - read an earlier post on Saigon where I sneaked a double into the Caravelle on a Sunday afternoon - that was an afternoon to remember.
They usually hang over the bar in Saigon Saigon but the quality is often questionable albeit that english is the lingua franca. Better to head off to Apocalypse Now and then off to Va Mu Lao (forgive the atrocious spelling). If you have not hit in Apocalypse you will find many of them head over to the backpacker part of town for the late night - you may also find some on moto's cruising you as you head across town.
Near the new world is a hotel where they not only are happy to accept the girls but if you are short of cash will charge the total to the hotel bill and hence your credit card. A lovely situation if there ever was one - mind you explaining why you had two nights in the same city could be a bit of a push.
[QUOTE=Saigon Sam]A new SW area popped up on Xo Viet Nghia Tinh St towards national hwy #1. These girls are much higher quality and all ride on motorbikes. Much more discreet and they will not approach you. Can't give you any details as I have not tried. I know too many people along this street! Oh well. Prices on Ng Thi Minh Khai are on average 150,000vnd (if you are a local)short time but these higher quality ones should command at least double this. The girls on Xo Viet Nghia Tinh seem much more presentable (looks classier) as compared to other places.[/QUOTE]You mean between the zoo and Dien Bien Phu (which turns into highway 1A)? I've observed a new hot area going the other way on Nguen Thi Minh Khai, going past the reunification park. If you go slowly at night, they will pop out of the side streets with their pimps.
That seems right. The street that runs perpendicular to the one which Reunification is on. Street walkers are all at that intersection as late as 2 am when I drove by. I didnt stop but they seem nice. Next time I will stop when I get the chance. Wish I was over there right now. I hate work.
I'm heading to HCMC in late April. I enjoy staying at a nice hotel could someone tell me a few of the girl friendly places? Any suggestions on where to stay in Vung Tau also? Would it be better to find a girl in Vung Tau or bring one with me from HCMC?
Thanks
Yes, between the Zoo and Dien Bien Phu (which turns into highway 1A) is the street Xo Viet Nghia Thinh. This is the new area. I've noticed activity for about a year now. The area you were refering to near the Palace is actually the original sw area. They have been there for ages. Some people think its new because the police in the past have been causing some trouble for the Sw's there. They have only come back recently. Anyway, if you have a chance, check out the XVNT area. Lots of girls on newer style motorbikes. They hang around near the bridge and by the Mitsubishi Car Dealership. Try to go on motorbike as this street can be quite busy.
I rode by there last night and notices some cuties standing just to the left of the Zoo entrance gate. Not sure if they were working or not, but from their dress I'd have to say they were. It was quite early (9:30 or so).
I was propositioned by a woman on a motorbike as I was turning around. That might be a good place to wait and let them come to you. If you pass the Zoo entrance on Xo Biet Nghia go straight towards the bridge there is a cul-de-sac on the right hand side of the road. That is where I was waiting to cross the road and got propositioned by an older lady on newer bike. I would have took her up, but she was too old for my taste, and not all that hot. I'll drive by there again at a later time and post my report.
On another note. Could anyone help me out with daytime action. Most of the things I know of are all late at night. Please pm me or post on the board.
Ball44
Thanks for the input guys!
I'm new to this board but get heavily involved on another board. I usually indulge my fantasies in Thailand, Cambodia and Philippines, but I thought it's time to visit Saigon.
I will be at the Liberty 3 hotel district one. Wish me luck! Thereafter, I'm going to launch an assault on Phnom Penh. My policy is no clemency to female prisoners.
A late review of last week hunting experience in Saigon.
Tuesday, I went to Apocalypse. Most of the girls were not attractive, relatively experienced with no charm. Probably because it’s Tuesday and potential customers are not that numerous today. It always surprises me: I would expect that only beautiful girls who are sure to get a customer would come on off-peak days. In fact it’s the contrary that happens: usually the most ugly girls are there. One or two nice girls there, but there are already with a man. With a guy I met before, we decided to go to Sahara in Pham Ngu Lao street before the closing time of Apocalypse. It’s nearly one year I haven’t been there. Entering Sahara made me feel it was the first circle of inferno: dark, full of smoke and girls are really second choice and skanky. Gosh! I was complaining about the quality of girls in Apocalypse. Well, at least beer is cheaper there. This bar is known for being open late and usually some people go there after the closing time of Apocalypse at 1pm. So after some time arrives a real beautifull and fresh cutie I spotted in Apocalypse. I did not approach her there, as she was with a man. Now she is alone. Probably they did not agree on the terms of trade. She drinks water and doesn’t smoke, which is a very good sign. I talk with her some time and she’s really fine. Hmmm! I imagine what this little tongue could do to me! We dance and have fun for some time, and I ask her to go with me. She asks me 100$. Gosh, I know why she came back alone from Apocalypse! She says she doesn’t go out often and doesn’t work every day. That’s why she asks so much. Then she goes down to 70$. No chance I pay that. I feel I would never pay more than 50$ without loosing my face and feeling stupid. Anyway she has no other choice so she agrees for 50$. Wow! What a night! She really made love like GF with a really wet pussy and came in a very cute way. I love this country!
Wednesday. One of my regular did not come to see me as I expected, so I find myself again in Sahara at 1pm. The choice of girls seems to be better than yesterday. I quickly spot one that looks like a girl playing in a U.S. teenager soap opera on TV. So exciting! She drinks water and doesn't smoke. After spending some nice time there, she comes back with me. Her body is fine, but her tits could be harder. She begins to lick and suck me, making noises as if she was enjoying her favourite dish. Like that: hmmm! Hmmm! It’s so exciting that I come in her mouth after a few minutes. She still makes hmmm! After that we fuck. Wow! She kows how to use her pussy to make a man come! 500 000 vnd for one CIM and another shot (that’s maximum Pham Ngu Lao price). I love this country!
Thursday. I am with my regular and we go to Apocalypse for dancing and drinking. Sheraton is so boring these days. Good fun as usual. Some very cute girls there. Of course, it always happen when I am not alone. It seems beautiful girls come here Thursday to Saturday night. I spend the rest of my staying with my cutie, so nothing more to report. My cutie is so cute! I love this country!
[QUOTE=El Frances]
Tuesday
... She drinks water and doesn’t smoke, which is a very good sign.
... I love this country!
Wednesday
... She drinks water and doesn't smoke.
... I love this country!
Thursday
...My cutie is so cute! I love this country![/QUOTE]
You need to get married ...
(PS: Your future wife will be a former hooker, though - any normal girl will find you too cute...)
[QUOTE=H R James]Anybody can give some advise how is this bar? Heard before there are some girls in the bar are offering for sex, anyway someone please advise how much they offer and how's the quality of the girls.
Thanks[/QUOTE]I'm long time listener, first time caller. I was in Saigon bar (24th floor - Saigon Hotel). I thought the place was awesome. Lots of pretty chics. I highly recommended. We didn't pick up anyone there cause we made a mistake going in with 2 girls introduced by the taxi driver. We didn't get a chance to cum bak there. Let us know how it goes for ya.
Returned to HCM last week after a year off the scene.
Apocalypse: Went down in quality and quantity. Even they closed the second dance floor which is now the pool gaming area. Some freelancers but nothing as it used to be.
Safari: Loud, smoky and roudy. Average selection of freelancers. Mostly well experienced tough nuts.
Motorbike girls: Risky and fewer than a year ago.
GF: Seems to be getting easier, but you need at least 3 days to score.
Verdict: Certainly better than Laos or Burma, but far behind the rest of South East Asia
Have fun
[QUOTE=Teegee]Returned to HCM last week after a year off the scene.
Apocalypse: Went down in quality and quantity. Even they closed the second dance floor which is now the pool gaming area. Some freelancers but nothing as it used to be.
Safari: Loud, smoky and roudy. Average selection of freelancers. Mostly well experienced tough nuts.
Motorbike girls: Risky and fewer than a year ago.
GF: Seems to be getting easier, but you need at least 3 days to score.
Verdict: Certainly better than Laos or Burma, but far behind the rest of South East Asia
Have fun[/QUOTE]Yes, I totally agree. Maybe all the girls just got tired of all the hassles of Vietnam and decided to go to Singapore and Macau to work. I've been to Singapore and Macau the past month and saw so many VN girls working there. Many of them have told me that working outside of VN is much safer, more money and no hassles. What do you think?
"GF" is fun! 3 days works but stay in touch for a year and return then watch what happens! This without being silly and having/creating false expectations.
The "I suck your dick" and "we go Boom boom mini-hotel" bar girls don't do it for me any more. OK, i tell a lie - I did get my dick sucked (150k VND) at a well known bar in the Hai Ba Trung strip (many have it) but i didn't go the boom boom there! OK tell the truth - i always end up at that bar at least once each trip :-)
The GF route absolutely costs more, all things considered (doesn't it at home?) but in VN the GF seems to give a lot more than at home.
I agree with previous posts that there are more and more VN girls turning up in bars in Singapore and KL but i have found that the ones that graduate to this level of travel are either under someones control, or have such a business attitude that it takes something away for me. (not suggesting that they don't have spectacular abilities in bed, quite the opposite)
I just love Vietnam, and in particular HCMC
Ozirob
P.S. to be fair i have some great "GF" type friends in Thailand that i enjoy catching up with every time I can. I think there was a successful advert campaign that essentially said "when you are on a good thing - stick to it!" That's what i do - keep track of the ones that really suit me and see them rather than go the lottery every time.
Ozirob & Saigon Sam:
Looks like we agree.
Certainly one does find Viet girls in Sing, HK but even there in very small numbers. Viet girls are not known, like Thais, Korean or Chinese to become working girls when going overseas. So the big question is where are all the bad girls gone?
In regards of the cost of a Viet GF I would say it will cost you far less than anywhere in Asia due to the fact that status symbols are still less predominant.
I rode by the Zoo area again a little later. Just drive slow and they will come up and proposition you with the "boom-boom" line. She was cute so I took her up on it. Went to a short time hotel. 100k for the room, and another 200k for her. She had a way too professional attitude though.
On another note. I noticed another area, maybe it was mentioned before, but on Nguyen Thi Minh Khai near the Nam Ky Khoi Nghia street intersection. It was a friday night around 11 and there was a row (7 of them) lined up perfectly spaced 2 meters apart. I ride by there all the time earlier in the night (9 to 9:30) and have never seen them. Maybe it was the night (Friday) or the time (11)? Has anyone seen them there before? Most of them looked young and cute. Great bodies.
There was a round up on Friday night in Pham Ngu Lao area. Most of the late night place got shut down that night. I was in Sahara and they carded all of the Vietnamese and didn't bother the foreigners. I saw they had closed down a few others as well. From what i've heard it happens occasionally.
Ball44
Philo,
Thanks for the amicable welcome! Makes me really want to get to know you better. I take it you are a preacher and take sunday school classes. My advice is that you give people a little more of a chance. If then you have any qualms with my posts, I'd be happy to debate them with you!
I don't feel using vulgar language like that endears you to anyone. Well, I hope not anyway.
I promise to avoid metaphors in the future lest I offend you.
Back to the reason we are here, well some of us, punting.
I spent two nights in Saigon, and really enjoyed my first visit.
I sampled the following places: Caravelle, Monkey Bar, Samara club, Apocalypse, Catwalk, ?Corner bar.
Overall, the ladies were wonderful and predictably beautiful. We met two very charming ladies at the Apocalypse bar. One spoke exellent English the other zero. I managed with my paltry Vietnamese. We agreed on a price, and went to the Cafe in the front of the Caravelle hotel. Here I noted many free lancers were milling around, and obviously looking to procure business. We enjoyed a nice wine and chat with the ladies. Thereafter, we took them back to Liberty 3 Hotel, where our 'friendly' service attendant refused their entry without a little 'sweetener'. The $US10 seemed to satiate his appetite.
The rest of the night was spent in perfect harmony with this feminine and demure lady. "It's the girls from L'Oreal on their night off", he replied. I engaged in conversation with a few and really enjoyed their demeanour and points of view.
Hope to return soon to the lovely Saigon. Hope this diatribe didn't offend anyone else.
The monkey bar, also, had a collection of sexy ladies. The takeout price was $US50. The samsara and corner bar were local establishments. We were taken there by a local professional man. The Samsara club was particularly pleasant with a good ambience and modern feel and music. At about 11pm, a whole 'caravan' of sensational ladies walked in! I went into a daze. "What's going on here", I exclaimed to the local guy.
Sun Prince,
I never heard of this place (maybe I know it, but not the name). Could you please comment more on it?
Thanks
[QUOTE=El Frances]Sun Prince,
I never heard of this place (maybe I know it, but not the name). Could you please comment more on it?
Thanks[/QUOTE]Its on Dong Khoi street on top of the Brodard Restaurant. Enter on the side street and up the stairs. Its near Dong Du and Dong Khoi Street. Hope this helps.
Sounds like Sahara club in Pham Nhu Lao.
The rest of the info is mostly useless (albiet amusing) newbie trash. $50 take out price at Monkey Bar! What the hell is that all about? Mamasan tripling the price for a newbie? Then again, no wonder at that pathetic rip-off bia om 50 feet around the corner from the stupid overpriced luxury Caravelle Hotel and its wornout old hag Saigon-Saigon bar. Did the hags blurt out "hundred dollah honey" or maybe "million dong for you," last second offers. What BS! How's that for cynicism after decade of repeated forays in and out and all over VN...
The VN archive here is full valuable info about thumbs down Monkey Bar and similar scams and BS. Apparently, many never read the archives but just take the mostly blind newbie tourist plunge, without heeding the repeated warnings. Hey, live and learn and pay the price - often big time rip-off prices!
Asiaphile,
Just popped onto this thread for some current news since I will be heading down to Vietnam next month.
Do you ever stop flaming everyone and everything about Vietnam? Every one of your posts is a direct attack.
Just my POV.
Oah
I don't think of it as a personal attack at all. It's a realistic appraisal, an opinion, and for educational purposes. Also, you obviously are sadly mistaken or probably jealous having read very few of my many previous posts in characterizing them as all a "direct attack." I suppose you'll find a way to call this one an attack on you instead of my simply putting you straight on the issue. My post started out trying to clear up the name of a bar that was apparently misunderstood or mispelled and then I indicated I was amused enough to continue. It appears you're way to thin skinned, or you have nothing of value to offer either. If anything, I was attacking the useless ripoff Monkey Bar - drop in that loser bia om yourself and see what I mean. Better yet, drop into the so-called exclusive, overpriced Saigon-Saigon and then stumble right around the corner to lousy Monkey Bar. Gives us your own report. Opinions are like assholes - everybody has one.
Aren't all the bar's prices and styles a case of "different strokes for different folks"? During my trips I've been happy to try as many bars as I can, in the full expectation that some will be straight rip-off, some will offer great views and breeze at a high price, some will have great girls that you can't touch (during their work hours), and some will have great girls that you can touch.
I've got no doubt that on my next trip I'll end up at all of the above styles of bar, and i'll enjoy every minute. Even getting ripped off can be a lot of fun sometimes. Don't get hung up with judgements - just enjoy the ride(s)
Can't wait for next trip!
Ozirob
[QUOTE=Asiaphile]Sounds like Sahara club in Pham Nhu Lao.
The rest of the info is mostly useless (albiet amusing) newbie trash. $50 take out price at Monkey Bar! What the hell is that all about? Mamasan tripling the price for a newbie? Then again, no wonder at that pathetic rip-off bia om 50 feet around the corner from the stupid overpriced luxury Caravelle Hotel and its wornout old hag Saigon-Saigon bar. Did the hags blurt out "hundred dollah honey" or maybe "million dong for you," last second offers. What BS! How's that for cynicism after decade of repeated forays in and out and all over VN...
The VN archive here is full valuable info about thumbs down Monkey Bar and similar scams and BS. Apparently, many never read the archives but just take the mostly blind newbie tourist plunge, without heeding the repeated warnings. Hey, live and learn and pay the price - often big time rip-off prices![/QUOTE]Hey Asiaphile, I'm not saying I agree with you about the "newbie trash" but I have seen many many people paying prices that are twice or 3 times the norm. Yes, I do agree that by paying more it drives prices up. This was exactly what happend 10 years ago when the Japanese and Taiwanese started overpaying. However, I don't think the info people provide is "useless" as you say. Not everyone comes here just for information. Reading about peoples adventures is interesting too. I'm assuming that you are a long time resident in HCMC so you know how things work. Some people just aren't here long enough to get to know the girls who will accept 200k for the night or even free sometimes. Its not like it was 10 years ago. I think to get a decent girl with a good attitude (from an expat bar) for the night is at least 500k (30US) or more now. Xich Lo drivers pay 50k but would you sleep with 50k girls even if it was for free? Probably not. Well, if you know of a good place where the girls will take 200k for the night, let us know!
I've read about it before, but it's never happened to me until now. I met a couple of cuties outside of Sahara the other night. It was late, maybe 3 am or so on a Thursday night, I was getting ready to go home. But when I say these two, I couldn't resist.
She ask how much for both of em, and I told her 800,000 dong for the night. She agrees. So we go back to my place. As soon as they get in they start snooping around. She ask for the money upfront (first mistake), I give her 800,000 and she gives me the "I thought you meant $80 routine. I had to bargain again, and ended up giving her 900,000 dong.
So we showered, got a nice sponge bath from the both of them, nothing like having two soapy honeys rubbing you down. Anyway, we got to the action. One of them, was too sensative for me to even touch. You know the kind, ticklish as hell. Her box wasn't ticklish though, so she went first. Her friend though, she was so my type. Medium height, but really thin with small tits and little nips. She went second. I finally blow my load, while her friend was out on my balacony smoking. I passed out after that (second mistake).
I woke up the next morning around 7:30 (luckily), only to wonder why my alarm didn't go off. Then I realized my phone was missing. Then I remembered I had guests last night(did I mention I was drinking???). I was like "oh shit". Checked for my walled, luckily I had the sense to hide it, not very well, but hidden enough. So I still had it, but I was light my cell phone and a brand new electronic dictionary.
So work to the wise, lock your valuables up, or lock them in.
I found out that they left around 6 a.m. rather suspiciously. The attendant said that they both come down, one got on the bike, and the other went back up (to steal my stuff). I have thier license plate of thier bike from the attendant, but their isn't much I can do with it. I can't explain to the cops why I brought two girls to my apartment at 3 a.m..
So the night cost me 900,000 plus 6,000,000 in stolen goods. I'm sure I'll run into them again sooner or later....but....i'm not sure what i'll do if I do.
Ball44
Ball 44
Pham Ngu Lao girls often steal (that's the bad side of being cheaper than in Dong Khoi area). I remember one time as I had locked all my valuables, a Pham Ngu Lao girl stole me my remaining condoms!
Apart from putting your valuables in a safe place, always make sure that the reception guy only lets the girl go after you have said it's OK.
Hey Ball44,
What a nightmare! It could have been alot worse. I had a friend from Hong Kong who had all his money and his wife's jewelry stolen (was drinking the night before). Worst of all, his wife came back from a trip to Vung Tau early and did not tell him. The maid had no choice but to let the wife in! The wife caught the girl inside the house but at the time she did not know the jewelry and the guys wallet as in her bag already. In the end his wife left him! So, there you go, your situation could have been much worse! Anyway, glad you you only lost 6 mil!
Checked out the Caesar last night in District 5. Had many beauties all between 18 and 22. In my opinion well worth the extra money rather than going for the street girls. Also you might want to get friendly with a taxi or moto driver, they will keep you supplied with many young girls, most of them don't work in bars or on the street.
Just book my flight today for the end of the month trip to VN. I havent been there since last summer and it will be a welcomed vacation. Just came back in to seek out new info on where the fun is located.
Hopefully not to many changes have taken place, Apocalypse will always be ....well Apocalypse. Sahara seems like an interesting place, if anyone have recent insights please let everyone in.
Girls will steal your stuff. Their pimps will try to steal your shit as well.
If i pay 50$ or more she better look like salma hayek (minus the whole hispanic thing). 500,000 is usually my limit for overnight stay.
Oh side note: Report on the massage in SAIGON BOWL
It's located on the road coming out from the airport in that giant shopping center, every taxi driver should know where it is.
Nice massage, though their jacuzzi was broken last time i was there. Make sure to get yourself nice and clean because the girls wont go BBBJ on you if they think you're not clean.
Good service, although it did take a little convincing for my girls to do it bc they do mostly HJ. I gave her 200,000 for BBBJ. It should not cost you more than that.
So head over there if you feel like a little bowling, some cheap beers, and a night cap.
Oh it's to the right of the disco/bar on the 2nd floor.
Saigon is really great. Absolutly beauitiful girls, who like to have fun.
There several bars around the Sheraton in Dong Khoi area. In the most bars, the girls try hard to make you pay drinks for them. Ladydrink is mostly about 50000 dong ca. $ 4. Vietnam girls are really not shy, so I was shocked what the girls allready allow their custumers to do with them in the bar. In the end for me it was a little to hard action in these bars and I didn t like to pay many drinks, only for play with girls boobs or pussy in public.
A nice bar to drink you can find, when you leave the Sheraton, turn left and cross the street. The name of the bar was like Ho Jo. Normally 6-8 girls working there. There is not the same hardcore action as in several other bars in this area, but the girls are less pushing the customers for drinks and the bar has a nice atmosphere.
For me a great pic up places are the discotheques like Rainbow Forest or 119(Musicroom). There are a lot of prostitutes hanging around in these places. The girls like to drink and have fun.
I went with one of my friends to 119. Normally we order a bottle of Remy Martin and then it doesn t take long until you have some ladys to drink with you.
One night we took two of them to our hotel. since the disco closed this evening allready at 1 p.m. We decided to have some beers in my room. 5 minutes after arriving my girl asked, if we can shower together. What she did with me under shower was incredible. She blowed like crazy and I was surprised in how many position you can do it in such a small bathroom. I really felt like in a porn movie. After half an hour we went back to the room, where my buddy with his girl were still drinking. I asked my buddy if he can leave with his girl now, since we need the bed to finish something what allready started in the bathroom. He smiled, since they sure heard, that we did something more than take a shower in the bathroom. After they left we finished this session in the bed. I payed her 800000 dong she was happy and left.
Two hours later the girl fromm my buddy knocked at my door, complaining that he refused to have sex with her. In fact my friend don t like so much to fuck around in the world, he only wanted a massage and payed 500000 dong for this. I told her 500000 dong for a massage isn't that bad, but she complained that her friend get 800000 dong from me. My girl allready gave her this massage by sms. I told her, that when we have sex together I will pay her the difference of 300000 dong. I was only kidding, but she took this serious. so porn movie part 2 started. I couldn't belive she really accepted this. But she was absolutly horny. She told me she didn't had a cock since two weeks now and she really need it. Her pussy was allready wet when I put my finger inside. She gave an icredible blow job. Every time when her mouth was full of spittle (and she had a lot of spittle). She took my cock out of her mouth and spit on the floor. This happened 3 times and I was really impresed by this performence. After we finished, I gave her the 300000 dong and she went away. The next morning I told my buddy what happened in the night. He confirmed that he didn't have sex with her but he gave her 700000 instead of, how she told me 500000.
I asked myself should I be angry now :-)) If she wouldn't have lied to me and I knew this, I maybe could have negotiate her down to 100000 dong, :-))
I'm going to save all you guys the trouble and tell Hannover that he paid a hefty sum for these girls. I wouldnt have given more than 100,000 for a massage. The sex marathon you describe however, was probably well worth the 800,000.
There, I beat the rest of you to it, so now nobody else can bash on Hannover.
[QUOTE=Hannover]Saigon is really great. Absolutly beauitiful girls, who like to have fun.
There several bars around the Sheraton in Dong Khoi area. In the most bars, the girls try hard to make you pay drinks for them. Ladydrink is mostly about 50000 dong ca. $ 4. Vietnam girls are really not shy, so I was shocked what the girls allready allow their custumers to do with them in the bar. In the end for me it was a little to hard action in these bars and I didn t like to pay many drinks, only for play with girls boobs or pussy in public.
A nice bar to drink you can find, when you leave the Sheraton, turn left and cross the street. The name of the bar was like Ho Jo. Normally 6-8 girls working there. There is not the same hardcore action as in several other bars in this area, but the girls are less pushing the customers for drinks and the bar has a nice atmosphere.
For me a great pic up places are the discotheques like Rainbow Forest or 119(Musicroom). There are a lot of prostitutes hanging around in these places. The girls like to drink and have fun.
I went with one of my friends to 119. Normally we order a bottle of Remy Martin and then it doesn t take long until you have some ladys to drink with you.
One night we took two of them to our hotel. since the disco closed this evening allready at 1 p.m. We decided to have some beers in my room. 5 minutes after arriving my girl asked, if we can shower together. What she did with me under shower was incredible. She blowed like crazy and I was surprised in how many position you can do it in such a small bathroom. I really felt like in a porn movie. After half an hour we went back to the room, where my buddy with his girl were still drinking. I asked my buddy if he can leave with his girl now, since we need the bed to finish something what allready started in the bathroom. He smiled, since they sure heard, that we did something more than take a shower in the bathroom. After they left we finished this session in the bed. I payed her 800000 dong she was happy and left.
Two hours later the girl fromm my buddy knocked at my door, complaining that he refused to have sex with her. In fact my friend don t like so much to fuck around in the world, he only wanted a massage and payed 500000 dong for this. I told her 500000 dong for a massage isn't that bad, but she complained that her friend get 800000 dong from me. My girl allready gave her this massage by sms. I told her, that when we have sex together I will pay her the difference of 300000 dong. I was only kidding, but she took this serious. so porn movie part 2 started. I couldn't belive she really accepted this. But she was absolutly horny. She told me she didn't had a cock since two weeks now and she really need it. Her pussy was allready wet when I put my finger inside. She gave an icredible blow job. Every time when her mouth was full of spittle (and she had a lot of spittle). She took my cock out of her mouth and spit on the floor. This happened 3 times and I was really impresed by this performence. After we finished, I gave her the 300000 dong and she went away. The next morning I told my buddy what happened in the night. He confirmed that he didn't have sex with her but he gave her 700000 instead of, how she told me 500000.
I asked myself should I be angry now :-)) If she wouldn't have lied to me and I knew this, I maybe could have negotiate her down to 100000 dong, :-))[/QUOTE]Hannover,
To pay 500000 vnd is way to much for a massage. The best massage in town is 76 Pasteur. The girls are great and it costs 60000 vnd per hour. Plus you can date the girls after work. The going rate for a really nice girl from any bar is 500000-700000 for all night.
Hi fellow mongers,
3 years ago I was in HCMC and went to one of the Cat Dang Cafes (one of them on Tran Hung Dao Street). Very nice location, good music and entertainment programm.
Many young delicious girls working there. And some are even asking my phone number. But never tried them.
Did one of you have experience with the workers in these cafes? Are they professionals?
Thanks in advance,
Regards,
Sixty
FYI,
The address of Cat Dang Cafe is 917 Tran Hung Dao. It's located on the left hand side if you are traveling from District 1.
[QUOTE=Sixty]Hi fellow mongers,
3 years ago I was in HCMC and went to one of the Cat Dang Cafes (one of them on Tran Hung Dao Street). Very nice location, good music and entertainment programm.
Many young delicious girls working there. And some are even asking my phone number. But never tried them.
Did one of you have experience with the workers in these cafes? Are they professionals?
Thanks in advance,
Rgds,
Sixty[/QUOTE]
Thanks to Ball 44 and Saigon Sam for the previous posts on SW/motorbike girl areas. I tried both of these areas with good results.
First tried the Independence Palace area at corner of Thi Minh Khai and Tran Cong Chua. First tried this area a little early and didn't observe much action. If you happen to go early on an evening where there is a live performance at the cultural park, people will gather to listen on Thi Minh Khai, so there won't be any girls stopping.
I went back past 10:30pm, strolled slowly in the shadows of the shops on Thi Minh Khai and in less than a minute girls were pulling up on motos to proposition me. They just swarmed in. Oh yeah, go hotel boom-boom. As I noticed it the girls seemed to be in the 22-28yo range and all seemed reasonably pleasant looking. It took a couple girls (ST prices quoted $10-30 range) to find the right girl, and settled on a sweetie who agreed to pics. Off we went to some ST hotel next to Sahara bar. $10 for fan room. Service was uninspired but did the job. The girl had a muff as thick as a jungle. It would take a machete to hack it down. Will post pics to illustrate.
I had another pickup from same location on another visit. I was a little disturbed to be taken to the same hotel next to the Sahara, which made me think that there is some link with the TMK girls. The only thing that pissed me off was that the girl reneged on the promise for pics once in the hotel. I hate when a chica goes back on her word and plays like she didn't understand.
I also strolled the area on Thi Minh Khai entrance to zoo - after 10pm. Same mode of operation as above. Fairly cute girls cruising by on motos to take helpless-looking foreigner to hotel for boom-boom. I thought the best thing is to stand at one of the bus stops up from the zoo entrance, which allows the girls stop on the sidewalk and negotiate in privacy behind the bus stop. It is will-lit at night and there is lots of traffic going by, so a little privacy can be a plus. Didn't actually try these girls, but can verify that the action is buzzing.
The gem of my last trip was a girl I met right across the street from the Sofitel. Returned after meeting at 4:30pm and spotted a cutie just standing across the street. Went up to my room to drop off bag and the girl was still standing at the curb - slightly suspicious. I walked down and across the street and she was talking to a local guy. I just sat down at the bus stop and got out my cell phone. The girl broke off with the local guy and walked up to me. I smiled and she sat down. Bingo. Some small chit-chat and I said "hotel?" She smiled and nodded her head. I went up to the room to get my gear (small backpack with towel, video camera, condoms and lube). We went off to a ST hotel and had a great time - enthusiastic BBBJ and great FS.
Other tibits from the trip:
(1) Apocalypse - stopped in to check out action twice and was disappointed. No unoccupied stunners and remainders were best left alone. Found myself playing more pool and paying for overpriced drinks.
(2) Hai Ba Trung - stopped into a bar on Hai Ba Trung with a business friend. If you are male - alone or otherwise - the doors will be opened as you walk by and the tout/girls will encourage you to go in. Can't remember the name of the bar we tried, but it was closest to the Pomodoro Italian restaurant. Price for beer was VND25k and lady drinks was VND50k. Buying a lady drink earns you the right to feel up your girl - mine had very nice tits (no bra and easy to feel) and a tight ass. After the first round (the girls seem to be trained to drink their drinks in 15min intervals before they pester you for another round), the girls offered to go to hotel. Price quoted was US$50 for ST and $20 for hotel. Both of us were not in the frame of mind to pay that, so we paid and left. The girls will give you their cell phone numbers for direct meetings, which offers some savings potential for later meetings.
(3) Cafe across from Caravelle - spotted a few SWs at the little park in front of the cafe across from the Caravelle hotel. The quality seemed a bit iffy, so I didn't bother to check out the details.
That's it for now. Enjoy HCMC!
Anybody,
What street is Apocalypse Now nightclub? I'm near the Sheraton, and believe it or not the hotel staff and a couple motorbike drivers didn't know where it is.
I'm also looking for the streets for Rainbow Forest and 119 (Music Room)
Thanks!
[QUOTE=Draco]Anybody,
What street is Apocalypse Now nightclub? I'm near the Sheraton, and believe it or not the hotel staff and a couple motorbike drivers didn't know where it is.
I'm also looking for the streets for Rainbow Forest and 119 (Music Room)
Thanks![/QUOTE]Apocalypse Now is on "Thi Sach Street" on the left hand side as you head towards the river. From the Sheraton, turn left as you walk out the doors and go stright until the street ends. The end intersection is Thi Sach Street.
Rain Forest is on Thu Khoa Huan. From the Sheraton, walk down Dong Khoi Street (towards the river) and you should see a Yamaha Motorcycle shop. Its right beside Yamaha.
119 is on Nguyen Hue Street. Also walking distance from the Sheraton. Its near the intersection where the Cathay Pacific office is. Across the street from the Palace Hotel
Report continuing from Pattaya.
What a shame, HCMC. Hai Ba Trung, the street that 10 years ago was full of billiards with nice, shy ladies to choose from with no hassle, has become like this: you walk, a guy standing out a closed door knocks on it, 3 or 4 girls come at the (now open) door and call you. Quality of the girls: very low. Once inside, they literally assault you until you choose one and pay a drink to her (and yourself). She takes your hands and put them everywhere, and once you are drunk and horny she asks for 800.000 (80 USD!!!!!) for the night. WHAT?? Were they beauties, ok. But beauties they are not. And the entire procedure is so frantic! I want to relax in these places, not being harassed. Ten years ago miniskirts were not existent, now they go topless after 2 minutes you are there, trying to entice you. Somebody should tell the owners that this attitude will keep most customers away. And the famous U2 (which is in Mac Thi Buoi, close to Hai Ba Trung) is just like the others: yes there are 20 girls and you are the only customer, but girls are really a 5 or 6 at best. A waste of time. I had no time to check the disco scene, but I was hooked while walking in a dep. store by 2 "normal" girls. I was with a friend, we went to dinner and one girl came to my hotel room. She claimed to be a tourist guide, which is entirely possible (she spoke good english and was not a stunner, just a 6) but in the morning she asked for a gift. 500.000. Ok, she was very sweet after all, and a good fuck.
Another big difference from 10 years ago is that no motorbike girl (or transvestite) approaches tourists on the main roads (Nguyen Hue, Dong Khoi, Pham Ngu Lao). And the garden area in front of Rex hotel that used to be full of idle young beauties, is now full of families with plenty of children. My guess is that police attitude has changed towards street action, and everything is more or less confined in bars, karaoke and discos. This could be due to some recent crackdown, and therefore is a temporary situation, or not: we'll see.
Hotel: Thang Long in Mac Thi Buoi, wonderful location, 25 usd negotiable but no windows in room. For 30 usd you get windows. Cleaner than my own house, great staff.
Now an interesting story: I met 2 Italian guys, first time in Vietnam. They too were hooked in a shop by 2 nice girls. They went to a karaoke in the evening, but no fuck, just a nice evening out, hand in hand. The next evening they were supposed to meet again for a dinner on a boat (on the river: the trip takes 2 hours with dinner). Yes the girls came: with their families!!! Brothers, parents, grandparents. The guys put a brave face on and paid the dinner to everybody. But they never met the girls again. Well, understandable.
Follows in Hanoi section.
Back from another visit to wonderful Vietnam !
I mentioned in a previous post about staying in touch with girls, and returning - well, the return visit led to a trip away together up to NhaTrang. Just great with no hang-ups about who might see her. No problems with non girl friendly hotels as because she was not local there was no requirement to book an extra room. Altogether a nice few days with a cute and sexy girl to help me navigate my way round excellent local restaurants in NhaTrang.
Stayed at the Yasaka. Rooms seemed a bit tired but only cost US$50. My friend had never been on a plane and got air sick which was a bit sad for her but she was on such a high about the trip that it was just nothing. Once off the plane and after the 40klm drive to the hotel straight into it without me even making a move! Just straight sex but very GF feel.
Snooze then shower together, then out for a feed of Tom Hap? before coming back to the hotel for another round then sleep. Guess what? A tap on the shoulder at some stage during the night for another round!
The three days pretty well turned out to be my asian fantasy. Back to HCMC and some reality. Very friendly and cuddly in the taxi. Some great dinners but no mini hotel.
I'm going back again before the end of the year and hope to take her up to DaLat.
I'll let you know how I go!
Ozirob
In for a quick visit to HCMC. Stopped in front of the Caravelle and a very average girl approached me, quoting $50 for FS. I politely declined and moved on. These girls are looking for businessmen from the 5-star hotels.
I strolled over to the the Zoo entrance on Thi Minh Khai just about 9pm. The ladies were out on thier motos. I just sat down on the steps behind the bus stop adjacent the zoo entrance (across from the Mitsubishi car dealership). The quality of girls was very high... more girls in the 20-22 range by my guess. This time I saw many girls on bicycle as well. I thought these girls might be a little less pro-oriented than the moto girls, so I waved one over.
A nice packaged pedaled over. We had a quick chat and negotiated for FS with video included - showed her the camera to ensure no problems. She nodded her head and we were on our way. Pedaled over to a nearby mini hotel (Thu Thuy Hotel on Dinh Chieu), paid $10 and went up. Was pleased to see an aircon! Highly recommended.
Anyway, I found that the service was much more relaxed than what I got from the girls near Independence Palace. These girls seem to be true freelancers and don't have the mercenary attitude. Girl was a bit shy, but got some good shots on video. For the finale, got her in doggy position and shot my load all over her ass. Just what the doctor ordered. Paid her US$30, which may have been over the bar, but much better experience than the $20 girls I have had in other parts of town.
Walked back up TMK on my way to hotel and spotted at least 3 girls better than the one I had just shagged. No regrets, but I promised myself to give this area more attention on my next visit. As far as street action goes, I think this is the best spot in HCMC.
My dream, a girl on bicycle! Thanks for the tip, Asian Rain, I will try it next time I am in HCMC.
Just got back from Saigon. Spent the better of 7 weeks there. Will be back again mid-June. What a country!!! Here are some scoops:
1) Apocalypse Now - like prior posts I want to reiterate that this place is not worth your time or money. Drinks are too expensive and the ratio of men to women most nights is 5:1. The "working" girls are mostly in the older range (27-35) and not worth the asking price.
2) Club Liquid on Hai Ba Trung - see number 1.
3) Corner bar (2nd level of the Saigon Tourist building in District 1) - Excellent music and overall good feel. Great place to bring your gf in for a few drinks. Not a place, however, to find "working" girls.
4) Bia oms (aka karaoke bars) - these are great places to pick up high quality girls albeit you must know which ones to go to or you WILL be ripped off. I highly recommend you take a TRUSTWORTHY and CLEVER interpreter with you if you are not well versed in the language. This will ensure you a good time. If you head down Nguyen Phi Khanh in District one you will find several bia oms located on that street. These bia oms tend to be friendlier than others I've ran across. General rule: tip the mamasan 100,000 dong, tip the girl you are sitting with 100,000 (200,000 if you like her to ensure possible future rendezvous), and never ask for sexual acts on your first visits. At these particular scenes, you will need to make at least a couple of visits before you can ask the girl to go out with you. The girls you hook up with here, if you are successful, are good not only for the current trip but for future trips back to the country.
5) Club Vivas in District one – decent weekend scene. Girls are average to above-average in quality. Average price is 1,000,000 dong for foreigners and 700,000-800,000 for viet kieu. Working girls at your bars and clubs tend to charge this price. It seems to be market value now. Just a word of caution, I’ve noticed many locals using ecstasy and other drugs at these clubs (particularly Vivas) so watch your drinks.
6) Club Que Huong – this club is located on the basement of Que Huong hotel on Hai Ba Trung. It’s just down the street from Liquid. Above-average working girls. The club’s mamasan will bring you a companion at your request. However, these are the priciest working girls I’ve ran across. My buddy’s companion requested 1,000,000 dong per session (1 session = 1 release) and mine asked for 2,000,000 for half a night’s work. We both quickly told both girls to go f*** themselves. This club also charges a ton for a drink.
7) Club 501 in District 6 – this is by-far the best club that I ran across. Excellent working girls for a reasonable price. The go-go dancers (19-22 yo) are a great looking bunch and more than willing to go with you. However, most of these girls will meet up with you during the afternoon the next day for a good time because most are too exhausted and drunk to go with you after work (they are required to work until midnight).
That’s it for now. Enjoy.
Forgot this particular useful tip: Stay away from District 4 and 7 in HCMC. These districts are notorious for robberies and scams especially when the sun goes down.
This is a late report but enjoy anyway ...
Was in HCMC about 2 weeks back and was staying at Caravelle Hotel. One evening I went to Zeus Karaoke with a few local friends and took on 2 girls while there. Did some singing and drinking and then decided to take both the girls back for a threesome. Of course at that time of night I couldn't take them back to Caravelle thus they suggested going to one of the love hotels. Short time rate of USD25 per room. Sadly though the girls were probably shy and decided to gdo it one at a time. Here I was trying to speak in English wanting a threesome and the girls saying no. Anyway, I proceeded with the first girl and did the normal routine, bbbj and fj. Then when I was done I sent her home and got the other one in. Amazing. This is full of nonsense. But the Black Label was working ok and I completed round 2 about 45 minutes later.
The second girl was wonderful though. So I got her number and called her to my hotel the following day. Then only I had the one of the best fucking sessions ever. This girl had a glistening body, tight pussy and beautiful breasts. Her suck job was slurpy-icious and fuck job bonka-licious. Thu was her name and if you get to Zeus remember Lucifer sent you there for Thu ...
The rainy season has begun in HCMC... terribly hot and humid mornings followed by a predictable dump of heavy rain in the late afternoons. The humidity is a killer. Came in on Saturday for golf on Sunday with mates, thinking this would be an average mongering visit. To my surprise, this trip was particulaly adventurous - everything from ripoffs to gruesome death.
==SATURDAY==
After dinner with a friend we stopped into a dodgy bar next to the Lotteria at the corner of Le Thanh Ton and Thai Van Lung. Escorted up to the second floor and found bar/pool tabe and circa 8 ladies for service. The girls were very pushy, but I wanted my mate to have a good time, so we stayed for a bit. Beer was VND30k and lady drinks quoted at VND60k. Even more expensive than Hai Ba Trung Bars. Let the ladies work on my mate while I hit the pool table - 3 girls were feeling him up and giving him massage. We asked the quote for FS, mamasan replied USD60 for ST and we can use a room upstairs for free. We declined. Came time for the bill and was very pissed to see that the girls had ordered extra drinks as well as bullshit items like "cold towels" and "pool table." VND1,000,000. Threw a fit and ended up paying VND800,000. Lesson: count drinks and never entertain bullshit charges.
Left my friend at the hotel and went to the area in front of the zoo (see post below for directions). Walked down to the corner entrance and did not notice the same number of girls as before and did not spot any girls on bicycle. Sat in front of the Mitsubishi dealership and waited. After about 10min began to notice the familiar pattern of a number of girls doing the U-turn - they are the pros. Word of advice - the girls will not always stop and proposition you. After another 15min I noticed a real cutie and quietly waved her over. We quickly negotiated VND300k with video (showed her the camera) and went off to mini hotel for boom boom. The girl - Linh - was 19 and had a cute face and smile, great body, very firm tits and a tight ass and pussy. The FS was average though, no BJ. Her pussy was very tight. Finished with a blow over her ass. She wanted a tip for the video - gave her VND40k extra and had her moto me back to the hotel. Very friendly service.
==SUNDAY==
Hot and humid day of golf at Song Bey. Very expensive unless you know a member. Out for steak dinner with mates and boss in the evening followed by visit to Hai Ba Trung bars - we tried 51 Hai Ba Trung. Groped girls for an hour - beer at VND25k and lady drinks at VND50k. Total damage was VND800k. Boss lamely said he didn't have any dong, so I re-wrote the reciept as "4 set meals @VND200k" for the expense claim. Thank goodness for the company entertainment dole.
Back to the zoo for more action. I saw a huge crowd of people in front of the zoo entrance and walked up, expecting to see an accident. Was shocked to see a guy who had been on a moto lying in the street with a pool of blood around his head. He had the right side of his head crushed and a large chunk of his brain had landed 3 meters up the road. People were just gawking and talking. I thought to take out my video cam and get some pics, but didn't want to cause a stir with so many people. I walked up the street towards the bridge and people were literally running up the street to see the accident. Yuck.
Sat at the edge of the bridge on the side of the small park and waited a bit and saw Linh drive by. Smiled but didn't wave her over. Linh drove back up and two minutes later she pulled up with another girl on the back of her moto. Introduced her as her friend and said "picture okay boom boom" while making a clicking camera sign language. This is the best reason for treating girls right - if you take care of them, they will take care of you. The girl didn't have the greatest face, but her body was nice. Decided to go for it and went to same ST hotel. This girl - Thuy - was GREAT. She loved the video and was the closest I have had to a PSE in Vietnam. Very relaxed take-your-time service. Great posing - showed her firm tits and had a nice pink pussy with just a bit of hair. Nice blow job. Loved my mini vibrator. Multi-position fuck. Spread her legs wide and had a wonderful blow over her pink beaver. Put a BIG smile on my face.
On the walk back the crowd was gone and took a few pics of the moto loaded onto a truck. Will post along with some pics of the street to give you all an idea of the area.
==MONDAY==
Same introduction pattern as above. Noticed again that the girls were not driving up to the Mitsubishi dealership - they did the turnaround at the end of the bridge, so you may have to walk up further than the zoo.
This time the girl was almost a complete waste of time. Rather uncooperative and service was crap. Oh well, hit and miss. I had to threaten to walk out twice as she was under the impression that I would just walk in, slip on a condom and screw. I guess that is what she gets from the local guys. I could never get her name - she had zero language skills or understanding skills. Anyway, puttered through the session and got relief.
All-in-all an interesting visit. 3 days. 3 girls. 3 levels of service. You can't appreciate the highs unless you experience the lows. Pics to be posted in near future.
AR+
Hey brother Asian Rain,
Wow, great story man. I have a question for you. Last year I was thinking of playing golf VN but didnt like what I saw on the internet quote price. They were asking $60 U.S to $150 U.S dollars. What was the damage on a round of golf for you guys? Was there a caddy for you? How many holes can you play? I saw one course in Hue or Da Nang or HCMC (not sure which one) that you can play 72 holes. That 4 full course of 18 holes.
Please do not post the picture of the accident because it not for the ill-hearted person. I seen two fatal accident there and it made me feel uneasy to see such tragedy. I have a crystal clear image in my head right now and I feel compelled to do something at the time to help the person lying on the ground but couldnt cus that person was already dead.
Sad story but had to say something about it. so other people might know what their getting into if you post the picture of the accident.
Anyway, once again great story from you man.
PS. Did you get your threesome Lind and her motto friend?
Hi All,
Plan to visit HCMC soon. Can anyone tell me what is the exchange rate(USD), Good Hotel, Fun place to get girls and drinks, what to beware off etc.
p.s I'm Asian (Malaysian)
Thanks
Csflat,
Thanks for the comments. I have only played at Song Bey at the member price of $30, but I was told that the weekend walk-in price is a horriffic $150!I understand there are a few other courses near HCMC, but similarly expensive or distant. The course quality was reasonably high and caddies were included, but overall quality was so-so. I would stick to Thailand and Indonesia for my golf.
Don't worry. I didn't take any pics of the accident itself and I would never post gory pics to a monger forum. I have seen a moto death in Cambodia as well. Lesson to all... if you get on a moto, wear a helmet!
I am sure I could have gotten two girls to go to the room, but they would have been worthless in a threesome. These girls don't know anything about doing a lesbo show... recommend to stick to the basics with these girls.
AR+
Hi guys,
Sorry for not posting in a long time, been very busy. Anyway, just to let you guys know I am still in Sai Gon if anyone is here and wants to meet up for a coffee/chat. I just met a Malaysian member on this forum last week here in Sai Gon (can't remember his nickname on here lol). Anyway bro, it was nice meeting you and keep in contact if you read this.
Anyway guys, my VN number is +84908674826 if anyone wishes to text me.
See you guys soon.
Member,
Hope you're having a nice time. I'll be there at the end of the year. Lately, I read that there are a lot of 'crack downs' related to the drug scene. Any discernable effect down there?
Keep us posted, thanks!
Yep m8,
There has been a lot of crack down recently, the government are being right B&^(*tards closing all the top clubs down. Anyway, still a few great RICH LOCAL clubs around.
Hi All
Took some advice from the board and had a trip to the zoo one evening. What a pleasnt surprise. Got my moto to drop me off right outside. (I am sure he thought I was mad as there was no-one around)
Right away girls started wizzing by on their motorbikes and were asking those magical words...'Boom-boom!!'
Well i had a look at a few and settled on quite a cute one...she showed five fingers...i showed four and we were off.
Not the most erotic of action...cbj and boom and there was a fair bit of very fake (almost amusing) groans. But all in all good fun and a must for the serial monger.
Seemed to be an endless stream of cute girls and really hassle free...
Wayne
Hi guys, sorry not been posting for a while, I have been really busy setting up a new business and getting all the contact info I need for the business. Anyway, it's now all setup and might be of use to some members of this board.
I have set up a a tourist travel agency business.
This includes:
Helping members book into hotels.
(This service is FREE of charge, you pay the hotel DIRECTLY for the length of your stay, the reason I do not charge is because I am hoping the member will hire our cars for airport pick up and also maybe travel tours, but this is NOT A MUST, if the member chooses NOT TO USE my travel and tourist guide services then the hotel booking IS STILL FREE of charge, no ties I promise)
I can provide members with fairly priced nice strict straight hotels, and I can also book members into hotels which ALLOW (know what I mean)
Room prices start from 180,000vnd - 350,000vnd, single and double rooms available, all rooms have air conditioning, these ARE NOT private illegal houses, these are REAL GENUINE HOTELS
Picking up members directly from the AIRPORT (we will have name plates) and driving members directly TO THE HOTEL
Providing ENGLISH SPOKEN GIRL TOURIST GUIDES, whom will show members all around saigon, bars, clubs, sights, or if the member just wishes to have a coffee then fair be it, etc. etc. (for more specific info contact me directly)
Providing members with a vehicle if neccessary to travel around Saigon(saves lots of taxi bills, and our vehicles will be there for you whenever you wish waiting at the door of which ever place you happen to be in.
Providing members with a vehicle to travel other parts of Vietnam, ie. Nha Trang, Vung Tau etc. etc. (members can make up their mind on this service when they arrive in Saigon, no rush, we have plenty of vehicles from 4 seaters to 16 seaters depending how many people are going)
Introducing Vietnamese girls for MARRIAGE
We can JUST INTRODUCE or we can also arrange FULL LEGAL PAPER WORK stating the girl has not been previously married and arrange all the neccessary paper work for the marriage to take place and for the member to apply for the spouse to go abroad.
*We are a travel and tourist agency
We do not provide illegal prostitution, we only book the members into the hotels, when the hotels provide girls then that is between the customer and the hotel* (sorry, I have to write this to keep ourselves in the clear, thank you for understanding)
My e-mail is [blue][Email Address deleted by Admin][/blue]
My text number is +84908674826 (you can also phone but sometimes I cannot answer the phone due to being busy or maybe due to driving, so please do not be offended if I cannot answer the phone immediately)
OK guys, I hope this service is maybe good to some of you.
If not then please don't flame me for putting this up, I am only trying to provide a service for the members which concerns Vietnam and girls and sites etc.
I hope I have offended no-one, if I have then I apologise in advance
Regards
Member #2234
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Was in HCM last week and since I was with business associates, could not get out to prowl. OTH, I came prepared and had previously gotten contacts for a provider from people I knew in Macau.
I phoned the provider and settled on US$100 for the night (she asked 150 originally - and yes I know that I probably over paid) and within 15 minutes, she was in my room at the Renaissance Riverside - which really amazed me as I saw signs all over the place that visitors were not allowed in rooms at night, plus there seems to be quite an effective doorman always shooing away girls from their front door.
QUESTION - how safe is it to get a girl the way I did - how strict are the laws against prostitution in Vietnam?
She was quite a stunner - tall thin with fantastically large boobs and a beautiful face - she was very fair skinned and looks practically Northern Chinese - ain't nuthin wrong with her AT ALL!!. She tells me in basic Cantonese that she works during the day at a cosmetic counter at a department store and only does this 'irregularly.' I think is probably true as the telephone number I was given for her had been turned off for a couple days and I only managed to get thru to her after midnight.
SE Asia Joe
SE Asia Joe
There is not much risk. The Police usually does not intrude in expensive international hotels. On the other hand, these hotels usually don't allow vietnamese visitors after 11 pm. In case of problem, 500 $ would solve the problem.
Enjoy it!
Sorry I haven't posted in while. I've hit Ba Ba a few time recently. It's a beer bar/coffee shop on the side street accross from the circus off of pham nau lao (spelling...sorry). They have a good choice of working girls. Short time 300 thousand and overnite 500 thousand. They have a few cuties there, and the owner is pretty nice too.
I noticed the line of girls on the corner of palace and win dem men khai (spelling...sorry) again. It was a Saturday night again and they were definately working girls. Some of them descent quality too.
I've been meaning to check out the beer/pool places on Hai Bai Trung street down town, but I've only read bad things about those places on this board. Does anyone know of any good ones along that street? Also, i've heard about some topless/lesbian show places also, if you have any information on these send it my way too (pm me). Keep on posting....
Ball 44
Hi guys, I'm being honest and biased when I say this, because I have lived in VN now for quite a while and know my way around and live and speak etc. just like a local. STAY AWAY from these street girls on Nguyen Thi Minh Khai ! Yes fair enough, some of them are nice (I go past and look all the time, but never touch), none of them are CITY PEOPLE (they come from the villages and also down from Hanoi), usually the reason they stand on the streets is because the WORKING PLACES will not hire them anymore because of :
1. drug habit
2. sexual disease
Most of them usually work in places like BIA OM (drink beer and FONDLE girls) and BJ parlours etc. before hand
This is not always the case of course, but from what the LOCALS know, this is USUALLY the case. Better being SAFE than SORRY guys in my opinion.
Also for people who ask the CYCLO drivers to get them girls, where do you think they get the girls from? Do you really think the POOR cyclo driver is a PIMP and has contacts? Nope, the simply go down to NTMK etc. and get the girls to go to the hotels ;) Not clean or professional at all :(
Please do not flasme me, I am just giving my honest opinion as I have been in VN for a long time as some of the members on this board who know me can vouch. Sorry if I have offended anyone.
Hope this info has been of help to someone though.
member #2234
I guess you're right. I also never take street girls in vietnam.
[QUOTE=Member #2234]Hi guys, I'm being honest and biased when I say this ...STAY AWAY from these street girls on Nguyen Thi Minh Khai ! Yes fair enough, some of them are nice (I go past and look all the time, but never touch), none of them are CITY PEOPLE ... usually the reason they stand on the streets is because the WORKING PLACES will not hire them anymore because of :
1. drug habit
2. sexual disease
This is not always the case of course, but from what the LOCALS know, this is USUALLY the case. Better being SAFE than SORRY guys in my opinion.
Please do not flasme me, I am just giving my honest opinion as I have been in VN for a long time as some of the members on this board who know me can vouch. Sorry if I have offended anyone.
Hope this info has been of help to someone though.[/QUOTE]
I disagree with this assessment. Having EXPERIENCED girls from Apocalypse, Saigon-Saigon, Caravelle SWs, Palace SWs and Hai Ba Trung bar girls, I cannot say with any factual evidence that TMK girls are any less drug-free or cleaner than so-called city girls. Whatever the case, wear a condom and you will be okay. That's sensible for any segment of working girls to avoid the pitfalls referred to above.
Having said that, I think I should remind #2234 that this is a board for sharing information about mongering. If TMK isn't a good place to get girls, than what is? I invite #2234 - or any other member - to post some relevant information about good spots to find good girls at a reasonable price. Reviewing #2234's previous posts, I was not able to identify any recent useful information for mongers about where to go as a solid alternative. On the other hand, I have seen blatant advertisements for a car hire service, female tourist guides and a coffee shop with girls (with a not-so-subtle hint that the girls may be available for something more than serving coffee). Although I was not offended by the posts, I thought they belonged more appropriately in the Classified Ads thread of the forum.
Anybody who has an opinion - by all means, express it. But it would be more useful when backed up by facts. Even more useful would be solid alternatives. To be frank, when it comes from a member who is flogging products at me in a mongering info thread, I have to be a bit skeptical.
Peace to all and have fun in HCMC. AR+
Interesting stuff! By viewing the numerous pics you've posted where you were engaged in sex without a condom, one would have thought that you did not subscribe to the use of condoms. Good advice though.
[QUOTE=Asian Rain] Whatever the case, wear a condom and you will be okay.
Peace to all and have fun in HCMC. AR+[/QUOTE]
I knew my post would offend someone on here. I truly apologise to this member. My intensions were not to make my services look good by putting down the street girls, if you got this impression then I truly apologise, truthfully. What I was trying to say was, if it was me (I am NOT advertising, please put that part ASIDE) I would not go with the street girls here from what I have heard from the locals, I would rather go the a more high class place like catwalk etc. and pick up a girl there (catwalk has NOTHING to do with me whatsoever, I am not advertising). Yes all be it, they are expensive compared to the street girls but I personally would feel alot safer being with them than a street girl. When you drive past NTMK street and look at the girls, you will see at the street corners sitting on bikes are their PIMPS, also driving up and down the street all the time, this (maybe it's nothing) alone makes me feel very unsafe because I have heard stories of where a working street girl will take a foreigner (and locals) to THEIR ROOM and then the pimp will burst in and cause trouble, or in some cases they pretend to be police or something and come into the room etc. All I am trying to express is that I PERSONALLY do not feel safe this way, I would rather take an expensive girl back to the hotel where I am staying and having PEACE OF MIND. Also in my opinion, EXPENSIVE girls thereotically speaking, would not have as many customers as the street girls, so personally for me I like this better. (I'd rather I be her FIRST ONE TODAY, than her TENTH ONE TODAY) :)
Once again I truly apologise, the last thing I wanted to do was to get on the wrong side of a board member :( SORRY
Dear Txmanny,
You mentioned this place: "Club 501 in District 6"
Sorry, but can you give a little more info? -- such as which street it's on, address possibly, or how to get there. And are you sure it's District SIX? I'd love to go check it out, but I have a feeling I won't find it with just this much info to go on.
Thanks!
Sorry guys. The name of the club is not 501. I was mistaken. The name of the club is 4 Trong 1. It's located on Hau Giang street in District 6. This club is located in the area called Cho Lon. This area is predominately Chinese populated. I don't remember the exact address. I'm pretty sure both the taxi drivers and bikers can get you to this club. By the way, I went and checked out Rainforest (Mua Rung) club on my last trip there. It's definitely a waste of money and time so don't bother. There is a decent club called Pine Tree (Thonh Xanh) close by the main airport. It's under remodeling but you guys should check it out. The girls are pretty dang good looking.
Forgot to mention this. Club 4 Trong 1 is located right across the street from a Sieu Thi (aka Supermarket) called Hau Giang in district 6.
Thanks. I've been to the Pine Tree spot. There's another up that way called Paradise that recently reopened, pretty good too. And two more right across the street from it -- one is Night Star and the other next door to it I don't remember the name of. Those two are very similar, a slight step below Paradise. Thanks again, Will let you know how it goes.
UPDATE
Went to 4 Trong 1 last night (Saturday) not arriving until 10:45 or so, which probably is too late on a weekend night. It's a very big place, all the customers and action on the main floor. By the time we got there, no good tables were left and everyone who was going to hook up seemed to have done so already. In contrast to the Pine Tree place, which seems like 95% male clientele, this one is far more mixed -- lots of real couples and big tables full of parties. So it wasn't clear to me who was game for being picked up there. I guess I have to go on a weeknight, and earlier.
Btw, of those karaoke oms you've checked out, did you (or anyone) ever go to one called Do Club on Dien Bien Phu, just near Hai Ba Trung? Stopped in there one night for just a beer, and there were plenty of cute girls sitting around waiting to keep a guy company. But I've been a victim of the karaoke om scam before, so very leery to move forward.
Wendella,
I tend to visit 4 Trong 1 on weekdays. This is for several reasons: more girls to choose from, avoid a big crowd which tends to draw troubles, and the service overall tends to be better. You should aim to arrive around 9pm or 9:30pm at the latest. You will be approached by girls if you arrived early enough and get a table. If you are not approached by anyone, get a hold of one of the managers there to get you some company. Managers are easy to pick out, they all dress up and wear ties (it's polite to tip the manager 50,000 dong for bringing you some company). Keep an eye out for those gals standing by customers' tables and dancing when you are there. These are working gals for the club so they are not allowed to sit. If you find one you like, get the waiter to go get her for you. Be cautious and selective because it's customary to tip the gal that keeps you company once you leave, so don't just grab the first one you see because you may run into a better one later and have to end up tipping more than one gal. Tipping your girl will keep her happy and ensure possible future rendezvous. The least you must tip is 50,000 dong. 100,000 dong if you really like her. Regarding karaoke om, good ones to visit include Truc Mai 1 (not Truc Mai 2) on Nguyen Phi Khanh street in district one and Khanh Loc on ?Que Quang street? close by Truc Mai 1 (just ask for Khanh Loc once you get on Nguyen Phi Khanh street and just about anyone there can point you to this karaoke place). Khanh Loc has two dang good looking gals (Phuong and Thuy). They are sisters. Phuong is 17 and Thuy is 19. You should check this place out, I'm sure you will find it to your liking. If you go to Khanh Loc, ask for mammason Mai or Duyen. Just for reminder though, it's customary again to tip your mammason.
Have fun!
Do you mean Tran Quang Khai, the bigger main street just ahead of Nguyen Phi Khanh as you head away from Vo Thi Sau? That's the only street nearby that sounds at all similar to Que Quang. If you go up Nguyen Phi Khanh to the intersection where three different streets meet, it's there. Its the busy street at that end. Lots of tall trees line it on either side, and its a bit narrow, with two way traffic. Thanks.
Nope, Que Quang is a little street that you will encounter prior to Tran Quang Khai if you are on Nguyen Phi Khanh heading away from Vo Thi Sau. This Que Quang street is the last 3 way intersection you will encounter on Nguyen Phi Khanh before encountering Tran Quang Khai. Turn lf on Que Quang street from Nguyen Phi Khanh. Khanh Loc is the only karaoke on that street. Que Quang is a very small street that dead ends quite quickly. Just remember if you go there to tell the waiters not to bring any of the side items (such as chips, gum, jerkeys, etc.). Just ask for a case of you choice of beer and a plate of fruits. Never let them sucker you into eating the side items or order food from these karaoke places (even if your gal tells you she is hungry) b/c the food is charged way too high for the lack of quality you get. Remember to ask for either mammason Mai or Duyen. Tell them you were sent there by a regular. This place and Truc Mai 1 are pretty customer friendly (ie lack of scams) but as always though, use your common sense.
[QUOTE=Wendella]Thanks. I've been to the Pine Tree spot. There's another up that way called Paradise that recently reopened, pretty good too. And two more right across the street from it -- one is Night Star and the other next door to it I don't remember the name of. Those two are very similar, a slight step below Paradise. Thanks again, Will let you know how it goes.[/QUOTE]The one next door is called BUMBI (I know cause my shop is only a few doors down on the same side of the street)
If you like Thong Xanh then you will definately like 261 (same owners, but 261 is alot more busier and more famous than TX, alot of models and pop stars, models etc. go there. It's really for the rich locals and viet kieu's)
Need anymore help in this area of Sai Gon then let me know. I know my way around this area very good as I have stayed in this area and done business in this area for a long time now.
Txmanny: Ah ok, Que Quang must be so small that I didn't see it on the map. Thanks.
2234: This 261 sounds interesting. Where is it? I've never heard of it, unless its one I've been to but just don't know by that name. I don't think so though. We actually went to Pine Tree last night and weren't allowed in on the first two levels for some reason. The third level was nothing great. One beer, left.
261 is on Nguyen Van Troi with the same address, however it was closed down about 2 weeks ago. I'm not sure if the cops shut it down or they were just remodeling.
OK yes we were at Pine Tree again last night and asked, and they filled us in. I think it's been more than 2 weeks it's shut. I knew of the place already, but didn't know it by that name. We all just still called it by its old name, #1. (Nhac Tre #1) The Le Thanh Ton location was also shut down around the same time. I never did get into the one on Nguyen Van Troi when it was open. It seems as if Pine Tree has picked up the slack though, with 4 floors open now and very busy.
I found the Khanh Loc place too, though haven't ventured inside yet. Huyen Quang is the little alley street it's on. You could drive past it six times and never know it's there.
Anyone know where we can get a good Massage in Saigon ? I tried some place.
[QUOTE=Hipoi]Anyone know where we can get a good Massage in Saigon ? I tried some place.[/QUOTE]Yes there are plenty m8. For a good one with lots and lots of beauties, go to FESTIVAL massage on CAO THANG street, district 3, just off Ng Thi Minh Khai.
261 and No1 are getting renovated, these 2 clubs and TX can NEVER get shut down, for one good reason. 50% of 261 is owned by the government (nha nuoc) ;) (there is a good reason for this, long story)
[QUOTE=DirtyOldMan]Hello,
Don't worry about bread and bakeries, it has been the contribution of the French to the Vietnamese civilisation; There are many bakeries and one is just in front of the New World Hotel.
For the (nice and legal) young-looking girls you like, you can find them easily by 9-10 pm (with their pimp), in the street (service side of the New World Hotel) that crosses the public garden. But, usually, they do not want to spend the whole night, even if they say so; so beware, go to a hotel you know and never pay before.
Have a good stay,
Dirty Old Man[/QUOTE]I will stay in New world hotel , do you think I can find room service for "massage"?
Thanks
thanks for the pms
[QUOTE=Member #2234]Yes there are plenty m8. For a good one with lots and lots of beauties, go to FESTIVAL massage on CAO THANG street, district 3, just off Ng Thi Minh Khai.
261 and No1 are getting renovated, these 2 clubs and TX can NEVER get shut down, for one good reason. 50% of 261 is owned by the government (nha nuoc) ;) (there is a good reason for this, long story)[/QUOTE]No.1 on Nguyen Van Troi is out of operations. It has been revonated but i havent seen anything from that place for 3 months now. I'm back in town and about :)
[QUOTE=Hipoi]Anyone know where we can get a good Massage in Saigon ? I tried some place.[/QUOTE]Also try Tokyo Hotel (Dong Kinh Hotel in Vietnamese) in district 5. They have a massage there open 24hr/day. Good service. 100,000vnd for the massage/sauna/steambath etc.
Most locals will tip the girl 100 to 150k for hand relief. If you like the girl ask for her number. Some will do house calls!
[QUOTE=Member #2206]I will stay in New world hotel , do you think I can find room service for "massage"?
Thanks[/QUOTE]It's quite hard to get girls into the New World Hotel m8 (I know from experience lol). It's not impossible, just depends if the reception believes if the girl is LEGIT friend or not, but trust me it is very hard to get past.
[QUOTE=Member #2234]It's quite hard to get girls into the New World Hotel m8 (I know from experience lol). It's not impossible, just depends if the reception believes if the girl is LEGIT friend or not, but trust me it is very hard to get past.[/QUOTE]Try going up before 10pm. The guards generally let girls up but its best if you go early. Anything after 10 is impossible!
[QUOTE=Saigon Sam]Try going up before 10pm. The guards generally let girls up but its best if you go early. Anything after 10 is impossible![/Quote]Caravelle is girl friendly until 11:00. I've always negotiated the deal and returned to my room. Ten minutes later the phone rings and it is the desk calling to inquire whether I am expecting Miss Thuy. I give the girl the bar fine, together with her fee after the deed is done. I've never had a problem in not paying the bar fine in the bar which runs the risk that they just pocket it and no Miss Thuy.
AR
[QUOTE=Member #2234]For a good one with lots and lots of beauties, go to FESTIVAL massage on CAO THANG street, district 3, just off Ng Thi Minh Khai.[/QUOTE]
There are actually two places very near one another on Cao Thang with this same Festival name. One is Festival 27, which is a few doors south of the other Festival. Fesitval 27 is closer to the cinema. Which one do you mean? The one further north is much bigger, though even the smaller one is pretty large.
thanks
Went to THANH LOC last night. Not a good experience, sorry to say.
First, we met the woman Duyen (I'm fairly sure it was her and not Mai). She told us that one of those 2 girls (Phuong, Thuy) was busy with another customer (we arrived just after 8 and seemed to be the only customers at that point, tho I could be wrong) and that the other was in the countryside. OK, fair enough. So three girls were brought in to choose from. Then one more after we asked if there were only 3 available. My friend picked one from the first three. She came back in. My choice (the last one) left though. I presumed she'd be right back. My friend got to know his girl and I just waited and waited. 20 minutes. Asked where the girl was and the other girl said she went to the toilet. Um. Ok. FINALLY the girl came in and sat by me. We started to get to know each other. Maybe 5 minutes, not much more. A knock on the door: there was a phone call for her. I'm thinking now, why would a phone call take priority over spending time with the customer? Well, of course she was gone a long time again. It was now nearly 9pm, we arrived at about 8:10. I asked to switch to another girl, one from the first batch. No, she was taken already. A few minutes later, I decided this was hopeless, even if my original girl finally showed up the vibe would be terrible. Checkbill, please. A few minutes later I heard her high heels approaching down the hallway. No, sorry. Checkbill. Too late. Sorry. Checkbill. I'm sorry. No problem. Checkbill. Finally we got the bill, and I told Duyen why we were leaving. She motioned for me to tip the usher guy 30,000 (the guy who poked his head in the door and told the girl to go take her phone call), which I thought wasn't quite the response I was looking for.
In hindsight, it seems obvious that this almost certainly wasn't the girl's doing -- there must have been another customer she was simultaneously spending time with, and that couldn't happen without the management coordinating it. And the 'phone call' -- it was the staff that played that little charade. I doubt the usher was doing something the management didn't want him to do.
So while we didn't get ripped off on the beers or food, the experience was really a thorough disappointment. A ruined evening, really. By the time we got out it was too late to go to a similar Plan B.
I wonder if there's some way to prevent something like this from getting started. If this is how it is in these spots, then there's really no point going to them.
Have you noticed the high percentge of posts reporting scams, bad experience, desappointment on this thread, compared to other threads in Asia ? Well, this is Vietnam. Here, cheating is the national sport, and sex business is never considered as a sex service, but more like an opportunity to rip off the customer. Unlike China, Cambodia, Thailand, etc, etc, etc. It is such a shame, with all the potential of beautiful, tender, cute and smiling girls in this country (and so good and hot in bed). If only they took seriously what they do, they really could develop and be rich. This is true in sex business as in all other industries in Vietnam. This country just wastes its potential !
Erik is unfortunately too right. Lex spent two years in Vietnam, Republic of, was married to a Viet girl for over a quarter of a century, and has had long relationships with lots of Viets. If you read anything about the country, it's people, culture, history, you will read that venality is endemic. It is a shame because the people are industrious and intelligent. But ripping people off is never far from the consciousness of Vietnamese people.
LexLuther
Surely everybody in the industry here is in it for the money, and scamming , not only foreigners but just as well compatriots, is to be expected in Vietnam. The only way to avoid this is to pursue other routes of (non commercialised) entertainment.
Chatrooms, Pen pal and firendship sites, there are literally thousands of vietnamese girls out there looking for everything from quick anonimous sex to long term paid girl friend relationships to marriage (arghhh).
Come in all shapes and sizes of course! Rich hunting grounds, but needs a little effort and sucess on any given night is not assured.
[QUOTE=Wendella]There are actually two places very near one another on Cao Thang with this same Festival name. One is Festival 27, which is a few doors south of the other Festival. Fesitval 27 is closer to the cinema. Which one do you mean? The one further north is much bigger, though even the smaller one is pretty large.
Thanks[/QUOTE]The large one close to Ng Thi Minh Khai end. It has a big karaoke
Erik,
Thank you for your post. As I have to go to Vietnam for a business trip I thought to stay some days more there but as I red it is not interesting: so I will leave and stay some days in Bangkok which is on my way.
Best regards
Wendella,
A good time to arrive at Thanh Loc would be around 6:30 pm. Duyen is usually very reliable when she tells you a particular girl is busy. This place has 4 levels worth of rooms so you may not notice other customers there. It's common for the few high quality girls to entertain multiple tables at one time. This is because they are in high demand and 8pm-10pm is usually peak time for these karaoke places. The way to avoid this is to tip your mammason well, arrive early, and tip the girl well. This will ensure that when you come back the next time you will get preference over other guests. I usually tip the mammason 100,000 dong, the waiter about 20,000-30,000 dong, and the girl about 200,000 dong. Treat your girl nice (ie don't be overly aggressive and degrading) and you will be ensured the girl of your choice and the majority of her time even if she is entertaining multiple tables simultaneously. A good thing to do is to get the mammason's cell phone number, this will allow you to call in advance to inquire about the availability of your girl. If you are well known to the establishment (ie been there at least 2-3 times and tip well each time) they will hold the girl for you until your arrival and even prohibit her from entertaining multiple guests according to your preference. It's quite frustrating when you are a new customer to this type of entertainment. I too was frustrated when I first started going because the well-known guests always would get preference over the newer guests. However, there is plenty of "fun" to be had if you are successful in negotiating through this initial period of frustration. The sisters I mentioned earlier may be worth a second trip though. Hope I have been somewhat helpful.
txmanny,
ok well in retrospect, we had a few missteps at thanh loc. first, i found out afterward that actually one of those 2 sisters doesn't work there anymore, and the other was not with another customer but was in the countryside. (i have a txt msg with the names of which is which, not with me now though) my vn cohort misunderstood me when i told him to ask for the mamasans duyen or mai --he thought those were girls working there, so they told him no they don't have girls by those names. he also said no to the fruit plate right away. and when the girl came in, he quickly became very aggressive with her. pulled down her top to look at her breasts within the first minute,for example. it was my first time going with him to such a place, so i didn't expect anything like that. i was kind of shocked. i'm very much not that way, always wait to see how the girl will behave first, let her make the first moves. but it was obvious to me that the girl wasn't digging his company, or what he was doing. that didn't seem to deter him, though. he didn't even seem to notice. so i'd say his bad behavior may have been a factor in this disaster. maybe the main factor. the more i think about that evening, the more i realize i was tor****ed by my knucklehead vn friend.
and actually i thought by going as early as 8pm, i'd be beating the rush. but i guess not. if you went later, would ....well, do they let the girls leave with customers? so by going later then, would there be fewer girls left available because some have gone out with customers? if so, then going early is the only option.
important note: you suggest tipping the mamasan and the other guy... but normally you would need to do that at the end when paying the bill. and if they screw you over before you get a chance to tip them... or you tip them really well after they've just screwed you over, well... you see the problem.
#2234,
They're both near Nguyen Thi Minh Khai -- they're literally a few doors from each other. They're both big, both have karaoke. One is bigger, the one that's a tiny bit further north (as you head toward Dien Bien Phu). If you're not familiar with both of them, or know the exact address, then I think its just as possible you could mean either one. I'm guessing you're not in Vietnam now, so can't go check it out.
Maybe if you can describe it better. What is the interior like? The layout? How does it look inside? They both have little courtyards just off the street for parking.
Thanks
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"I usually tip the mammasan 100,000 dong, the waiter about 20,000-30,000 dong, and the girl about 200,000 dong"
That sounds like a rip off to me! Spend 300 00 dong just for people to be nice with you!These Bia Oms are rip off places, no wonder you guys complain about scams if you go to such places.
I have spent many months of my life in Vietnam over 5 years and never had a rip off experience. Of course I go to bars, discos, regular KTVs and always check if I have a good feeling with the girl. I just come back from Thailand, it's so nice! But I can get better girls in Vietnam than in Thailand (OK, nothing to compare with Chongqing-Eyeblink for "connaisseurs"!).
And I always run away when I see a papasan or mamasan. Vietnam is a freelancer place and that make it so nice compared to other countries where sex is like an industry! Spending money for mamasan is stupid (sorry, I don't mean to be offending to anyone, I just say what I think)
Sorry I read the Thahn Loc report too fast and did not notice you were talking about a karaoke. So I guess 200 000 should be the fee for company in an upscale karaoke in HCMC. Nothing wrong about it. Sorry for the negative comments.
Wendella: that's the usual behaviour of vietnamese guys in karaoke to touch the girls like this.
Cheers
It's well known that many of these karaoke places (aka bia-om) are notorious for ripping their customers off. However, like I said before, you must familiarize yourself with certain etiquettes in order to have a good time. This can be said for much of the other forms of “entertainment” found in Saigon. The general consensus among people that are familiar with the bia-om scenery is that it’s not always the monetary factor but it’s your own personal "aggressive" nature that will determine whether or not you will succeed while paying the least possible. Let me explain, girls that work at these establishments are usually recruited from the countryside. They're usually un-educated, naïve, and somewhat “innocent” when first start. However, they are required to learn the tricks of the trade quickly in order to work in this environment. So over time they become very clever and wise. Here are some simple rules I usually stick with to have a good time while paying the minimum:
1) Never, never, never be aggressive with the girl that you want to develop a physical relationship with (no girls like to be degraded on front of their friends and customers so refrain from certain acts that are considered inappropriate in normal, customary society).
2) Tipping is a crucial element here. It used to be that 50,000 dong for the mammason, 100,000 for the girl, and 10,000-20,000 dong for the waiter was considered good tip. However, over the years foreigners and viet-kieus have inflated the tipping scale. What I mentioned above is considered below average tip now. High-class karaoke places (i.e. ones with high quality girls) will frown upon foreigners and viet-kieus tipping at the below-average rate. El Frances is right that 330,000 dong is a bit on the pricey end; however, it’s the going rate now. Tipping well = better service. Realize that tipping the girl 200,000 is considered average now. I’ve seen these girls get tip anywhere from 200,000 dong to 750,000 dong from their repeat customers.
3) Many of these girls will leave and go out with you after working hours. Whether or not anything can come from this is totally girl and money-dependent. Certain girls will gladly offer their service if an acceptable price is met. Others will require a “courting” period. This “courting” period usually entails a couple of repeating visits to her work, tipping well each time, taking her out on a couple of “dates”, developing a friendship with her, and some sort of small but thoughtful gift. This may sound difficult but is easily accomplished within a week’s time in Saigon and not much $$$. If you are successful during this courting period, the girl is yours for the taking. This “relationship” will ensure a wonderful experience in bed that does not require any monetary compensation. This will save you lots of money in the long run because you can call her to meet up with you during the day or after her work hours without having to go back to the karaoke place and spend money, get a good laid without having to pay for it, and the best thing is that you always have a back up plan every night if your mongering quest falls through.
4) This experience is not for someone with limited time during a business trip. If time is not something you can spare, I would stick with the disco/bar scene. This allows for a quicker laid but it requires $$$.
OK maybe what my friend did was normal for VN guys, but honestly my jaw dropped when he did it, and the only other very noticeable thing was that my girl never reappeared. My feeling is that while maybe it's not unusual, of course nobody wants to be humiliated and that's basically what he did. My gut says that his bad behavior was a factor in my not getting any attention from my girl. I gave my VN guy hell about it later, and he's basically blind to his role in it, denying basically... and blaming it 100% on the place. Which means he and I never go to one together again.
Here's a question. What kind of play should you get in the bia om? I mean we're talking here all about our obligations -- buying fruit, tipping this one and that one and how much, what not to do, etc etc. But what are the girls supposed to do? What can you expect to get for your money when you're THERE? How far can things go in that room? What's standard? What constitutes an especially good outing? Or a bad one?
Any other karaoke oms or bia oms worth checking out, especially ones with better looking girls, would be interested to hear of them. I'm not sure, but my name may be mud in this particular joint now.
Also, what about that tipping question? If your experience is as miserable as mine was, it seems absurd to tip well. You said to tip the mamasan, but if she's going to give you a thoroughly crap experience before you even have the opportunity to tip her... I mean, I'm pretty sure this mamasan was aware of how ridiculously bad it is to be in a place 50 minutes and get just 5 minutes with your girl. If I'd tipped her well, it would've seemed pathetic. Do you tip her at the end, or before when you first meet her?
Does anyone in vietnam speak English? If so, can you tell how many and some ideas on meeting non-pros. Thanks.
Txmanny. I agree with you, but I am not sure it is cheaper to have a GF in vietnam, rather than paying girls from bars and discos.
One question: Why do you guys want to go into complex, time consuming, and rip-off risky approaches, such as in bia-om or karaoke-om, when it is so simple to go to Apocalypse, Sheraton, Sahara and other places, spend a nice time dancing and talking with a girl, and get a nice fuck for 50$ ? (and sometimes a GFE if you know how to choose the girls)
I Jags: many speak english, but very few speak well. Most girls in bars and discos are freelancers, some more pro than others. Forget about getting freebies in vietnam. You may get a GF, but my experience is that it is more expensive on the long run than the P4P market.
Hi !
Frances, the simple reason is that if you live here, those places all get old. You see the same girls every time, often don't see any you feel are worth going for -- usually there's no new girls there, just the same ones you saw the last few times you came. It gets boring. You need variety, you need the hope of finding something new. And the karaoke oms are also a different way to be interacting--a private room, no onlookers, a woman in a much more provacative/sexy dress than you're almost ever going to see in Apocalypse or Sahara. It's something different, basically, and more enticing in a lot of ways.
Someone below was asking why we try to make the best of the mediocre scene in Vietnam. Well, if you live here of course that's what you have to do. It's better in Thailand or Brazil or wherever, ok fine -- but I don't live there.
For all more or less permanent residents of Ho CHi Minh there is also the option of finding girls through dating sites or chatrooms. There is a very active vietnamese scene out there, very varied including horny, maybe married, housewives ,and young girls that " want to make the experience of a white" dick , original quote, and professional hookers and girls looking for sugardaddy and girls looking for bf/husbands. Possible to find all of this and much more.
Vietnamese language skills, at least basic, are helpful, though not in every case absolutely necessary. Pricing from free to astronomical.
I personally met many great (some not so fantastic too) girls through these channels, some freebies, some for cash. (my personal limit is USD 50, but usually 500.000 VND). Have to add hotel costs (appr 20$) if you dont have a pad available. More details are available to regular posters.
In my opinion only workable and worth the effort if you are here 1 week plus.
During a recent stopover in HCM, I was intent on locating some cheap affordable fun, if anything just to relieve the boredom of a long haul. By some freak of luck I was able to locate the zoo, though I wouldn't have any idea how to get back there. I was staying on the other side of town and just headed where my dick directed.
I got there and was offered service from a girl on the side. I decided that I wanted a hotter girl and stood on the side of the street opposite the Mitsubishi dealership and watched the scene. At first, I thought that nothing was going to happen. I realized that I needed to actually signal to the girls who were flying by. I saw a few cuties, but they were gone before I could signal. Walking down a bit further, I saw some girls on bicycles. One was really cute although when I approached she said something and pointed to her friend behind her (not that cute). I insisted, but she kept pointing behind. I walked away. What is the story with these bicycle girls?
Eventually I signalled a girl on a scooter and we headed off to a hotel of her choice (15 minutes ride). Once there I made the BIG mistake of paying straight up.. I don't know why. 400 for the girl, 100 for the room. In the room, the girl turned into a little *****. She wouldn't suck my dick, kicked up a fuss when I got my camera out and started tugging at my cock like she was starting a lawnmower. Naturally this wasn't a real big turnon for me. I made it a quick release fuck and went on my way.
Being my first time in HCM I guess I was not in my element, plus it's a real hectic city. I guess next time I might be a bit more prepared, but it just seems like pot luck with the scooter girls. I wonder if there is a better way to handle things...
Gonad
I have been a regular traveller to HCM for the past 3 years, i go on average every 3 mths. Some of the guys that post on here live in HCM but always complain about finding girls. Why dont you find a few girls and just visit them different nights, you wont have to pay and wont have to worry about health risks. There are so many beautiful women in HCM, its not difficult.
[QUOTE=Gonad Man]Eventually I signalled a girl on a scooter and we headed off to a hotel of her choice (15 minutes ride). Once there I made the BIG mistake of paying straight up.. I don't know why. 400 for the girl, 100 for the room. In the room, the girl turned into a little *****. She wouldn't suck my dick, kicked up a fuss when I got my camera out and started tugging at my cock like she was starting a lawnmower. Naturally this wasn't a real big turnon for me. I made it a quick release fuck and went on my way.
Gonad[/QUOTE]
Gonad/HCMC Mongers,
Probably should consider this a lucky outcome. The Zoo girls all use the hotels in the back alleys of Thi Minh Khai. If a girl is driving you 15min away, it should be a definite warning that something is wrong. They may try to take you to a hotel that they can run a team scam. It works like this: The girl rushes you into the room (hoping you don't notice that she didn't lock the door) and immediately want to shower together with you. She will be sure to close the door and start giving you a good wash. While you are in shower heaven, somebody will come into the room and rifle your pants. Then she will turn to ice once the shower is finished. You won't be able to prove that the girl did anything wrong and you will be screwed.
This is the rule for ANY HCMC girl: keep ANY valuables in your sight at ALL times. AR+
I've just come back from VN and have learned a few things from this long trip.
1) 5 star hotels do not allow guests after 11PM, but guess what? I still saw caucasian guys brought them in after 1AM. Some security guys and hotel hotests tried to stop the prostitutes from getting up but couldn't. I think if you mumble in English they will let you go. I saw couple beautiful girls with some ugly, big belly caucasians. Hummm, these girls are for me but being a Vietnamese it is difficult to bring them to the room. :(
2) Warning of new scam for Viet expat: I was in Nha Trang and went to a barber place to fuck a young chick. Cost me 350,000 for a lousy massage and 45 minutes of hard fucking. After leaving the place I hopped onto a Cyclo to go to a restaurant. I chatted with this guy and felt pity on him for being such a laborer so I told him to wait for me after dinner. This guy found out I was with my family and just got out of the *****house. So .... when I got out of the restaurant and happlily riding the cyclo back to my hotel there was a guy on a motobike came along and together with the cyclo guy they both tried to extort money from me. They were making a big scene not too far away from my hotel threatening me if I didn't give them $100 they'd come to my hotel and let me whole family know I fucked a *****. Feeling trapped and extremely angry, I didn't know what to do and was playing with time to find a way out. I jumped on another cyclo but these guys were following me around. Paid the cyclo driver I jumped to a taxi and asked him to take me to another hotel. I called my wife made some excuses for being late and didn't come back to the hotel until 1AM. I took the whole family out of Nhatrang the next day saying it was a bored town (and it really was).
3) I tried all massage places in hotels I'd stayed from Saigon to Hanoi. ALL girls gave hand job and were afraid of getting caught of fucking customers. I was able to ask a girl out and fucked her in another hotel. She was hot and never had someone licked her pussy before. :) I got her all worked up after putting dirty thoughts in her mind(she was married to a fool-around-type-of guy). And the reward was beautiful! She did not want to take my money but I insisted and gave her $30 after 2 hours of fun.
4) Went back to Danang and met the girl I fucked last year. I just wanted to see how she was doing. She was so glad to see me and proud too because soemone still missed her. Gave her couple hard fucks two days in a row I finally came after 3 trials with her. I gave her 600,000 VN dong total. She is a very poor girl with dignity. Lost her virginity in 18 to her lover, the guy then dissappeared. She didn't work as a prostitute until 25 after losing all money in a bad business. Her dream is simple; having a well in her house in Hatinh city.
TXMANNY,
I noticed in your post about 4 Trong 1 that you said you like to go during the week when it's not as packed because it leads to 'bad feelings'. I experienced something like that last time there, when it filled up on a weekday recently. The girl I know and like was at my table and was ordered to go to another. She snuck back but it seemed as if the tie guys would order her back to other tables as soon as she was spotted with me. At one point she was assigned to one table and apparently wasn't supposed to leave it. (they only had beers and a fruit plate by the way -- no Henessy!) I wasn't sure how it was that a guy can set it up so that the girl must stay at his table, because if I knew how to do that, I'd have done it. The tie guys? Do they order it? Or is there a tip given to the girl right away to make her stay? How does that work? But I couldnt' get to talk to her for most of the night after that. She'd come over briefly time to time but had to keep going back to stay there at that one table. Once I saw the guy she was with seeming to be chewing her out for coming to visit my table, he even pointed right at me as he was talking to her (she'd just been at my table). And after that she stayed near him.
But it seems as if any customer can request a girl even if she's already with another customer, and that customer can't do a thing about it. Unless there's something I'm missing, which there must be.
Hello,
In Saigon, girls who work at these "entertainment" establishments such as bia-oms, bars, clubs, etc. are working girls. You may occasionally find a non-working girl but this is rare; meaning she will not entertain your proposition unless you two have a relationship of some sort. At 4 trong 1, if you want the girl to spend the majority of her time at your table you must TIP. Here are a few things to know. Apparently 4 trong 1 is divided into sections, within each section you have one manager (1 of the tie guys) managing multiple girls assigned to that section. If you are at a section that your girl is not assigned to, she will not be able to spend but a few minutes at your table the entire night. What you must do is get there real early, find the girl you like, and ask her what section she is assigned to for the night. It will be different each night because they rotate. Once she tells you the section she is assigned to go and sit there. Ask her who is managing her section and ask her to introduce you to him. Greet him by asking him to toast with you, shake his hand, and tip him 50,000 to 100,000 dong. Tell him you like this bar because of this girl and would like her to accompany you tonight. Doing these things will ensure her company with you most of the night. However, be a little thoughtful and remember that these girls make most of their money via tip. So be a little understanding and let your girl "roam" to different tables through out the night so she can make her money. You not being pissy when she leaves every now and then and being understanding toward this will give of the "good-guy" vibe. They love a thoughtful guy and this will make your ultimate goal a bit easier to achieve. Regarding if these girls will prostitute - most will, a few won't, and some requires a little effort. You must have encountered the effort one :-) I met me one of those too. Just remember that these girls work at these places because they need money. Just catch any of them during their desperate times and you will get what you want when the price is right. However, if they are not in desperate times, the effort factor comes in. Anyhow, back to the subject at hand. The girl I liked there at 4 trong 1 did not go out with me after work regardless of my persistency. She informed me that she could meet up with me the next day before work (they usually get to work between 6-8pm) after I have been at 4 trong 1 a couple of times asking for her company each time. However, she found some lame excuse the last minute to cancel the first time we made plan. She rescheduled for the next day. I think this is some sorta ritual during the courting process to show that the girl is not "easy" in Vietnam. Anyhow, after going out several times I was successful with my conquest. The nice guy card does really work in Saigon. Most foreigners and viet-kieus have 2 things working for them: money and the chance for these girls to escape their current hardship (which most of the time is poverty) via marriage. These two qualities over the domestic male will give you the advantage you need to approach most young ladies in Saigon. Here in the U.S. it's usually the superficial trait that will give you the advantage to approach most young ladies. Anyhow, all you must prove on your date in Saigon if your girl is the "girlfriend" type is that you are honest. Most males in Saigon date multiple girls at the same time so there is lack of faith in the male sex by their counterpart. If you are able to give of the vibe that you are a nice and honest guy, you will be successful in your conquest. It's not that hard, just be courteous, humble, and thoughtful on your date. After 2-3 dates you will get what you want. Of course, this is just my opinion and it works for me. Many guys just prefer the old fashion way, throw money at the girl until it works. To each his own happy hunting.
TXM
Will be going to Saigin first time in a couple of weeks. Where is 4 Trong 1 to be found? Sorry for asking if address has been posted before, but cannot find it. Thanks in advance.
While I am asking, is there any interesting place close to Windsor Plaza to be visited?
Thanks for all advice.
Just a warning to some, this place isn't always as easy to succeed in as you'd think by reading these posts. It's also common (I'm told and have experienced myself) to be played by a girl there -- she'll be very friendly and very eager to try to make a date with you, but the next day you'll discover that was a totally false impression because she'll cancel the date at the last minute... or else just not show up. And then maybe reschedule only to do the same thing again the next time. This happened to me and one of my friends there, more than once. It's possible to do better than this, I'm sure, but it's something to be aware of. There's nothing automatic there. Unless you get propositioned to go home right after the club closes and actually meet the girl outside, which could happen. I think that would be much more likely to actually come about if she is the one who proposes it. If you ask for that, she'll probably say yes (to encourage a good tip) and then it's questionable whether it actually will happen. Yes, so for ourselves, getting straight answers from these girls has been tough. My impression is that they'll always answer by saying whatever they think you want to hear.
Wendella,
You hit on a point about Vietnamese culture that Americans like myself (who were here two generations ago with U.S. military) found very difficult to understand. It's still a conumdrum to many of us. There may be a variety of reasons why Vietnamese do this. Perhaps they think it rude to say something which they think you don't want to hear. Or it may be a general attitude of subservience toward Westerners which causes them to fear disappointing us. It may be an Asian attitude which discourages saying anything negative.
Then again, perhaps they did intend to keep the appointment but at the last minute realized that doing so would subject themselves to censure from their fellow Vietnamese. It's hard to say. But it's important to realize that these people find it hard to be as direct and straightforward as Americans. It's a curious anomaly of their culture but an important one for us to be aware of.
Lex
Culturally speaking, Vietnam is still a conservative country where most of the "old-fashion" females are not allowed to express their affection publicly. Though this is a dying way due to the influence of the "MTV" generation, it's still not common for a vietnamese girl to express her interest in a male the way it's done so overtly in the states. Also realize that most girls that we speak of in this forum are girls that are in the business of entertaining guys. They should not be used as examples to generalize the cultural ways of the majority of other women in the country. So to say that vietnamese women are subservient toward westerners is an incorrect and grossly bias statement. Girls that work in the business of entertaining guys are exposed on a daily basis to all sort of characters. So they learn how to play the "game" quickly and are often more clever than their male clients. Therefore, they tend to be as shaddy as most guys that they encounter in their work environment. You shouldn't treat these girls that work in bars, clubs, and bia-oms any differently than a stripper in the states. Like it or not, those that entertain guys for a living are mostly of the same breed no matter what country you visit. If you are ingrained in Vietnamese culture, you will find that people, particularly in Saigon, are not subservient but quite the opposite.
Cheap P4P in Ho Chi Minh
I wanted to share my system for getting women in HCMC at a low overall cost. As many have already mentioned, the cost for women here has escalated steadily over the past 5 years to prices that are now definitely unreasonable. Especially at places like Apocolypse, Hai Ba Trung bars, and Karaoke clubs. At most of these places, you’ll end up paying at least 50 US for the girl, plus lady drinks, relatively expensive pool/billilards, and short time hotel. So it can all add up to 100 US for a few hours of fun.
So this post is for mongers on a slightly tighter budget. I now stay at Saigon Sky Hotel at 245 Hai Ba Trung. It is about 5 minutes by taxi from the Caravelle Hotel and heart of district 1. The hotel is clean, has friendly and accommodating staff, and you get a huge, quiet suite for 30 US/night. Regular rooms are 20-25 US/night. If you fancy posting or keeping up on WSG activities during your trip, the hotel staff will happily run an ADSL cable up to your room for an additional 2 US/day. Room service, laundry, etc., is also good and cheap. Most importantly, they are totally girl-friendly. An added bonus for fitness freaks is the barbell club just down the road (~135 Hai Ba Trung), where you can lift weights with some locals for 10,000/day (7 US).
Once you are settled in the hotel, go to the area mentioned many times by Asian Rain. I think the street where I actually prowl is at the end of Le Duan, close to the entrance to the zoo. This is actually a second entrance to the Zoo. So I now realize I've been working just around the corner from AR. This side is slightly less busy in terms of traffic than the main entrance. Sometimes woman stand near or sit on their motorbikes at the entrance just waiting for someone to walk by. Generally speaking the young women will be on their motorbikes, circling like crazy, slowing down so you can have a look, and (here’s the key point) waiting for you to initiate something. Once you see one you like, a simple hand gesture will be enough and they’ll pull up along the sidewalk. Then you negotiate a price and hop on their motorbike and back to Saigon Sky, just 5 minutes away.
I followed this procedure and there were about 10 girls circling when I strolled the area around 9pm. Most were in the 20-28 range and quite attractive. On this occasion there was one stunner that looked younger than the rest. I broke my usual rule of never taking woman that are too attractive, since the service is usually worse, but I couldn’t resist. Her name was Hong and she is 18 and absolutely gorgeous. She speaks zero English, so a phrase book or some other way to express numbers is helpful. We negotiated 200,000 Dong (15 US) for short time. She didn’t understand that I wanted to take her to my hotel, so we headed to a short time hotel she knew and it was already full. We then motored to a second one she knew and the guy at the reception quoted 400,000 Dong (30 US) for short time. After some negotiation, he moved down to 350,000, but I still thought it was a bit steep, especially since I already had a perfectly good hotel close by. He spoke English, so I had him translate to Hong that I wanted to go to my hotel. Once she understood, she agreed.
We arrived at my hotel and she formally checked in and the reception took her ID for security reasons. Once in the room, we had some chit chat (phrase book) and she started warming up a little, but she was very shy. Everything about this girl physically was just perfect. Slender but not too skinny, perfect skin, hair, tits, ass – everything! I have never seen such a beautiful pussy in my life. Unfortunately, shagging this girl felt like screwing a warm corpse. She hardly moved an inch and took some encouragement to move around into different positions. Even when I put her on top of me, she hardly knew what to do. Anyway, with that warm, tight pussy grinding around we finished our business and I sent her on her way. Before she could reclaim her ID at the reception, they called my room to check whether everything was ok so they could return her ID and she was free to go.
I have read a lot about SW’s and I think there are 2 main points to consider/defend: SW’s are not as “clean” as bar girls – use a condom to protect yourself; SW’s could steal, etc, and you have no recourse – reception will keep her ID so you have a layer of protection in case something goes awry.
Happy Hunting!
Enjoying Asia
Enjoying Asia,
Hey, great report, especially for first post. I would just like to piggy back on this to reiterate that, IMHO, these mini hotels are traps to either steal from you or scam you. The first time I was trapped, I had about $40.00 taken from my wallet which I did not discover until too late. The second time I had about $100.00 extracted which I discovered because of the prior experience and which the Ho casually returned to me in exchange for my promise not to throw her motobike down the stairs. But God knows what would have happened if I did. I never really figured out how they do this, maybe somebody under the bed or otherwise secreted in the room, but I have never gone to another mini hotel again and I would enourage all VN mongerers to be extremely wary of what sounds like a simple and innocent suggestion, "We go mini hotel".
Just my opinion,
AR
A word about money if I may.
Exchange rate: 1 US dollar = 15,800 VN Dong, making 10,000 VND about 70 US cents, and 100,000 VND about 7 US dollars.
Let's ignore the average, an average anything is pretty meaningless here.
In the US, say for a guy making $US60,000 a year, that's $5000 amonth or $4000 or so after tax. An AMP will cost $50+$100 to the girl, a SW (I'm guessing) will cost $50 all to the girl.
If you want cheap, you run down to a border town like Tijuana, and spend $US60 to the girl + $11 for the room.
Now in VN, the same guy may make the equivalent of US$300 a month, let's round it to $400 a month. That's 10% of the same guy in the US. You could argue that the cost of living is not 10% of the US, but twice as expensive. That makes a SW about US$10 and an in-call place US$20.
Reportedly those are what the locals pay, VND200K-VND300K, of course the "rich" Vietkieu or foreigners can be squeezed for twice as much.
I know things always seem cheap when you travel to the 3rd world, and people start blowing their money. Just remember US$100 is a lot, a lot, of money in VN.
Hi fellow mongers,
In Octobre I will travel to Saigon and considering of carrying a laptop with me.
Did anyone of you have experienced any problems at the airport, especially when you want to leave the country?
Or do you have to declare your laptop when entering the country?
I'm grateful for any advice.
Rgds,
Sixty
Well I am in Vietnam now, and like in the past I have carried 2 laptops back while only declaring one. On my last trip I left both of them behind, and was hassled about it, but the 10USD slip was all it took to make things smooth over, although I honestly didn't mean to forget the second laptop, I was just to much in a rush being as I was finishing a ST about 45 mins before my flight was to take off.
Anyone in HCM want to have a beer or a wingman that is a VietKieu and speaks more then enough vietnamese to get by give me a call on my mobile 090 710 7956 and I have more then enuf contacts for the girls if you want them along with hotels in certain areas.
Sixty,
You shouldn't have any problem if you tell immigration that it's for personal or business purposes. You only run into problems if the laptop is meant for a gift. Anyhow, worse case scenario is to give immigration $10 and you are off on your way.
Enjoying Asia,
I just wanted to clarify something you mentioned about this area by the zoo. If you go to the end of Le Duan, is this spot you go to that street running perpendicular to Le Duan, that Le Duan runs into? That would be Nguyen Binh Kiem street. If so, when you reach that corner, do you turn left, right or just go straight ahead? I have to say, I've been in that area a few times and have never seen anything happening there. Unless I'm missing it somehow.
Also, when were you there? How recently? Was it in the last 2 months or so? Things change, and maybe it's been shut down by now. Or maybe not, maybe I just haven't been there at the right time.
I noticed that Asian Rain was originally talking about a spot that was around the corner from Le Duan, not perpendicular to it but parallel, and where the road crosses over a bridge. This street is the end of Nguyen Thi Minh Khai, actually named Xo Viet Nghe Tinh at this spot. And on that street, near the bridge, there's another entrance to the zoo, which isn't the main entrance, I think. Not sure.
I've been going there about 3 times a year for the past few years and was there in mid-July the last time. I would be a bit surprised if it has been shut down because it is not that obvious and quite informal. I was there around 9pm and I actually stood on Le Duan on the same side of the street as the Sofitel, maybe 50 meters before it dead ends into the zoo. The girls seem to do a circuit around this zoo area. I admit that it is not obvious because you may be one of the only people strolling around there at that time of night. But the girls will ride by on their motorbikes, u-turn, head back towards the zoo, cruise by Asian Rain, and then circle all the way back and repeat.
What time were you prowling?
Enjoying Asia
I have read couple of posts about massage palor in the past. However, do you guys have any new intel about message palor in HCM city recently? I will be there within a month. I need the FS kinda place. Most importantly, I am trying to stay away from LE.
Thanks,
FS
[QUOTE=Fun Sex]I have read couple of posts about massage palor in the past. However, do you guys have any new intel about message palor in HCM city recently? I will be there within a month. I need the FS kinda place. Most importantly, I am trying to stay away from LE.
Thanks,
FS[/QUOTE]FS,
I do not claim to be an expert on MP in HCMC, but I think FS may be a stretch. I have been there several times in the last year or so and have done hotel fitness centers and one MP, big one, not far from Caravelle and Sheraton. In the hotel, HJ is no problem with maybe a little mock BJ thrown in and basically the same in the MP I visited. The MP rooms all have a clear glass window which limits the possibilities. Others may have had better experiences and I'd be glad to learn, as you, from them.
Bars on Hai Ba Trung are not bad value and, if you find the right GFE girl, you can get the deed done for $50.00 plus a small bar fine as long as you get back to the hotel before 11:00. This is a good option if you are trying to stay away from LE. Strike the deal, return to your room and ten minutes later the front desk will call to inquire whether you are expecting Ms.Thuy which, of course, you are.
Hope this helps and would glad if it stimulates other entries.
Enjoy, AR
AR,
I just asked a Vietnamese friend who goes back to VN every single year for the past 5 years. He stays there at least 2 months at a time. He gave me some tips very very similar to yours.
This year, I am kinda lucky. I am going back there the same time as he does. He will go with me the first couple times and will show me around the town. I grew up in HCM city, but I left the country for a long time. So, everything is different now.
Anyhow, I will let you guys know when I get back from VN in December.
Thanks again AR.
FS
Hey FS,
I agree with AR. Things are different now and FS in MP's are hard to find. The last time I found FS in HCMC was in '96. These places that use to have FS are no longer in operation or they do not offer FS anymore. The nearest place you will find FS in MP's is in Vung Tau. If you visist Danang, many MP's will offer FS too. Don't wast your time in HCMC for this type of thing. Anyway, have a good time in Vietnam.
Btw, if you do happen to find a FS place in HCMC, don't post the name of the place. The local LE has access to this site too!
[QUOTE=Fun Sex]I have read couple of posts about massage palor in the past. However, do you guys have any new intel about message palor in HCM city recently? I will be there within a month. I need the FS kinda place. Most importantly, I am trying to stay away from LE.
Thanks,
FS[/QUOTE]
Thanks FS,
I might be back in HCM in December so PM me when you will be there. Could be fun to co-monger.
One thing I forgot to mention is, that before I figured out the 11:00 girl in the room drill, on two occasions I insisted on use of a back room and was accomodated on both occasions for FS. Not exactly your 5 Star hotel, nice shower, comfy bed experience, but a learning experience and maybe convenient if you do not have hotel in the area. I have, after two not-so-good experiences, avoided mini-hotels, maybe easier for you, but see earlier post.
Cheers, AR
[QUOTE=Fun Sex]AR,
I just asked a Vietnamese friend who goes back to VN every single year for the past 5 years. He stays there at least 2 months at a time. He gave me some tips very very similar to yours.
This year, I am kinda lucky. I am going back there the same time as he does. He will go with me the first couple times and will show me around the town. I grew up in HCM city, but I left the country for a long time. So, everything is different now.
Anyhow, I will let you guys know when I get back from VN in December.
Thanks again AR.
FS[/QUOTE]
I actually drove by that zoo entrance a few times around 9pm in recent days. Nothing. The police do clamp down on these kinds of spots. Sometimes they bounce back after a dormant period and sometimes not. I believe you saw what you saw, definitely, but I have a feeling it's been shut down. There used to be a spot out near the airport like that, at the end of Le Van Sy street, that was very active for a long time. It doesn't exist anymore. Nguyen Thai Hoc at the end of Pham Ngu Lao street was another active spot that is finished now.
AR,
My schedule has been changing a lot lately. Well, I will be in HCM city October 5 to around November 15-20. PM me if you are in the area a that time.
FS
I will be in Saigon late Oct through early Nov and will be staying at a small local hotel near the New World.
Where is the best "bang for my bucks" in Saiogon during the daytime? I am only free during the daytime due to business obligations in the evening times.
Last time I was in Saigon, I pretty much stuck to massage parlors and coulnd't get anything more than a HJ. The massage was very nice and the overall cost was pretty low, but I want something more than a HJ on this trip. :)
Thanks for any advice - Dave.
poopiemunster,
thanks for the tips. i'm viet kieu too and i'll be working in saigon come mid october. it would be great to have a wingman and someone to grab a few beers with. i'll definitely give you a ring when i get in.
wendella and txmanny,
if you guys want to hang out and show me around, that would be fantastic. don't worry wendella, i'm pretty laid back amd courteous and won't be like your friend who rook the top off of the girl in one of the bars.
and txmanny, i'm from texas too so we may have some things to chat about.
[quote=poopiemunster]well i am in vietnam now, and like in the past i have carried 2 laptops back while only declaring one. on my last trip i left both of them behind, and was hassled about it, but the 10usd slip was all it took to make things smooth over, although i honestly didn't mean to forget the second laptop, i was just to much in a rush being as i was finishing a st about 45 mins before my flight was to take off.
anyone in hcm want to have a beer or a wingman that is a vietkieu and speaks more then enough vietnamese to get by give me a call on my mobile 090 710 7956 and i have more then enuf contacts for the girls if you want them along with hotels in certain areas.[/quote]
i've been going to saigon since 1996 and these are the ways i've tried to find girls:
1. introduction by a cyclo driver: my experience here is hit and miss. if you can find a reliable one, you can get some real finds. upside is that it is usually safe if you know the cyclo driver. downside is that the cyclo driver takes a commission. i've also had mediocre service from girls introduced by drivers i considered reliable. i've also gotten some bum steers from cyclo drivers i've just met. on the other hand, i've had some wonderful experiences through cyclo driver introductions.
2. hai ba trung and other bars: i haven't had good experience here. prices are a little high and girls were not that attractive and service was uninspired. to me, girls here seem somewwhat jaded, while i prefer the cute, amateur types that have that fresh look.
3. on the street: interestingly enough, these have been my best finds. you have to look around, but there are some real attractive ones. sometimes, you can tell by their attitude if they will be good in bed. (there are exceptions, however.) in these situations, i take them to a mini-hotel of my choice. i'm always careful to lock the door and take the girl into the shower with me. i haven't had trouble with theft. i can usually sense a rip-off. i never take a girl to a hotel when i've been drinking. i have found the pham ngu lao area to be a good hunting ground. i haven't tried the zoo, but will do so in november. you can find all types on the street: jaded ones and young, fresh, enthusiastic ones. the trick is to find one who is experienced enough to be good in bed, but not experienced enough to be jaded.
4. massage parlors: i haven't found this to be a good solution. prices are high for limited service such as hj.
5. upscale bars such as new world, caravelle, sheraton, etc.: haven't had much success here. quality and availability are not that high and prices are high and service somewhat low.
i'm sure others have had different experiences. i'd love to hear from you. feel free to pm me with your experience.
quote=elvis1969]poopiemunster,
thanks for the tips. i'm viet kieu too and i'll be working in saigon come mid october. it would be great to have a wingman and someone to grab a few beers with. i'll definitely give you a ring when i get in.
wendella and txmanny,
if you guys want to hang out and show me around, that would be fantastic. don't worry wendella, i'm pretty laid back amd courteous and won't be like your friend who rook the top off of the girl in one of the bars.
and txmanny, i'm from texas too so we may have some things to chat about.[/quote]
I'm pissed off! I got my cell phone and all the money taken out of my wallet. Fortunately it was only about $100 and the phone was also worth only about $80. I figured exactly what happened though. But now it's too late to get anything back.
I noticed there was a girl somewhat following me and my girl as we approached our room. Anyway my girl brought me into the room. She coaxed me to leave my clothes in the bedroom but me being smarter (so I thought) - I took them with me into the shower. because I didn't want to leave my valuables alone. Once done showering I brought the clothes back out with me. We did short time. After that she grabbed my arm leading me into the shower, leaving my clothes in the room (a mistake). Thinking it was ok because we were together and I could watch her. Once in the shower she closed the door. Anyway she delays me by giving a bj while leaving the shower water running. We finish... anyway I get into the room and my pants are missing!! Lo and behold they are sitting outside on the step with my cellphone and cash gone. The girl denied everything but how could I prove it.
They were working as a team my girl distracted me while her friend snuck in the room and robbed me. I tested the door, it was very silent. Perhaps the mini-hotel is somewhat in on this too..
Be careful. Never leave your valuables out of your sight even for a couple of minutes.
dave #2,
i've been here almost 4 years now so i know my way around the area.
if you want something more than a hj the massage parlors won't offer more on the premisis - you'll notice that the door has windows on it. but you may be able to go on a date with one. if she likes you.
you will have pretty good success in the haircut places especially in the suburbs. look for a haircut place where they are dressed a bit sexy and surely they will offer you some services there. probably more than half of the haircut shops in the outskirts will offer and at least half of them you will get a bj. i've turned the bj to "woo hoo" right on the spot in some haircut places. you need to get the girl horny by being romantic and playing with her. i've had some haircut girls call me and they asked me to go to the hotel with them. you've got to give them a fun time and and they will respond.
i know some cafe om's in the suburbs where they will give you a all out fully naked bj for 50 - 70 thousand dong. look for a small cafe with a couple sexy girls in front and the cafe has no tv or music, very few chairs and tables and sells limited beverages usually only sell "sua dau nanh" and "xaxi" (soy milk and vietnamese style root beer - which is terrible by the way!) probably at half of these places in the outskirts they will beg you to go to the hotel with them. some of them even offer it right on the spot.
in vietnam it's ridiculous, it's quite funny actually, they have so many different "om" places. they are everywhere. bia om, karaoke om, hot toc om, cafe om, massage om, goi dau om, i've even seen a "banh mi opla om" haha quite a way to top of your breakfast! depending on the establishment and how you play it, any of these places can bring you the big score.
the om concept is a part of the vietnamese culture. it's not really the foreigners that are fueling this industry but the vietnamese themselves. when i go to these places i have never seen another foreigner there. only vietnamese.
one thing: please be discreet. people know what you are doing... the police regularly shut down these places and confirep001e their goods. they won't bother the foreigners but they will bother the cafe owners by shutting them down. use it by all means but don't abuse it if you know what i mean.
about getting your bang for the buck. the closer to the city the more expensive. i've had normal looking girls for as low as 50 thousand and stunning looking ones for 100 - 300 thousand in the suburbs and outskirts. also they are more sweet and eager to please than you'll find in the city. it helps if you can speak vietnamese - then you can usually get the "vietnamese" price.
happy hunting ;)
This came as a suprise to me, as I did not check the vietnam forums before my trip , which I just came back from. This is because I went with my wife. We were staying at the Continental Hotel, and decided to have a massage one afternoon. The massage girl turned out to be totally hot, and during the massage she massaged the area around my genitals quite a lot, so naturally I was turned on. Then she asked if I wanted a massage 'there', and I just nodded. Anyway, I got a great hj, and I was allowed to fondle her cute body, for a 9 dollar massage, and I tipped her 50,000 dong which she said was little. anyway, the funny thing was my wife was getting a massage in the next room at the same time!
I figure if I ever go again, I'll offer some money for the real thing. I'm sure you guys who visit HCM often know about this , but I was shocked to receive such treatment, and at such a cheap price too.
[QUOTE=Dugalococamo]They were working as a team my girl distracted me while her friend snuck in the room and robbed me. I tested the door, it was very silent. Perhaps the mini-hotel is somewhat in on this too..
Be careful. Never leave your valuables out of your sight even for a couple of minutes.[/QUOTE]
Sorry to hear about the snake bite! As I previously reported on this scam, please be careful and keep your valuables in sight at all times. You can be sure that the hotel is in on the scam... the second girl would never get in without their help. Indeed, the hotel staff is probably helping to coordinate the scam by providing a room across from yours for the other girl to hide once she has taken your money.
When at the mini hotel, I always personally lock and bolt the door. Never carry more than is necessary to do business. Leave rings/watches/etc. at your hotel. Keep your valuables IN SIGHT at all time. I NEVER PAY in advance... the girls often ask for money up front, I just say "boom boom first, money second." Don't be shy about seeming distrustful... the girls don't trust us mongers either! Even my Vietnamse mamasan in Cambodia warned me about people in HCMC... good advice! Stay secure, AR+
[QUOTE=Wendella]I noticed that Asian Rain was originally talking about a spot that was around the corner from Le Duan, not perpendicular to it but parallel, and where the road crosses over a bridge. This street is the end of Nguyen Thi Minh Khai, actually named Xo Viet Nghe Tinh at this spot. And on that street, near the bridge, there's another entrance to the zoo, which isn't the main entrance, I think. Not sure.[/QUOTE]
I have yet to spot any moto girls circling at the main entrance at the end of Le Duan. With the entrance to the History Museum nearby, I would suspect that LE would keep this area clear. Perhaps exceptions occur.
As the night park has opened for kids near the zoo entrance opposite the Mitsubishi dealership on NTMK, the moto girls seemed to have stopped crossing the bridge. I now walk over the bridge and sit on the railing. The best pattern I can discern is that girls start up the street and make the turn around about halfway up the bridge.
Last couple of pickups have been good value... the last one brought me to an aircon hotel that only charged VND50,000 for an hour (woo-hoo!). The last pickup (or do they pick me up?) was great fun because it was her first time to see a video camera. What a star. Have fun, AR+
I went to a haircut place. And just got a regular shave. No massage or anything. Anyway it was getting a little late and I was telling the girl that I was traveling and didn't know the area well and needed to find a hotel. She said she could help me find one. Anyway we went out and had some coffee and then she showed me the hotel... She conveniently said she wanted to stay with me. :) She didn't want to be thought of as a "working girl" so she didn't mention money or anything... Anyway she had the most beautiful body and silky white skin and great in bed... But then she say's "I have to leave very early in the morning to work" She then wanted to sleep - but I could tell she wasn't sleeping ... She was waiting for me to fall asleep.. Sensing her plot I got up and put my shorts on and put my wallet inside them... Then I could a shallow sigh of resignment coming from her... Anyway early morning came my wallet and money intact :) But I did give her 100 thousand as a goodbye gift.
If you keep on your toes you might beat them at their own game hihi. But I've been beaten a couple times too as you saw what happened in my earlier post. The vast majority of the girls I've met are honest at what they do and you have no worries. Just a few of them will try to deceive you in one way or another...
Happy Hunting !
AR,
Good advice bro - Thanks
I have been reading messages on this forum for a few years now and I found them to be very valuable. It does not matter where I am in the world, this is the place where I come to for information on P4P.
I have been to Vietnam for a few times now, and I totally love the country. Vietnam is a value for money country if you know where to go. You can find some gorgeous women in clubs, bars, massage palours and karaoke places.
If you stay in a 5 star hotel, they usually have a bar or a night club in the basement, where you pay for one or more girls to sit and entertain you. Generally the cost per girl per hour is $VN150,000, and the services include sitting, chatting & dancing with you, and allowing you to hold and caress them lovingly. If you would like additional services, you could arrange that with the girl or the mamasan. So don't be shy to ask.
The girls in the bars & clubs are expensive, but they are better in terms of business dealing than the ones on the motorcycles. The ones on the Motorcycles are the rejects of the clubs, bars, karaoke and massage palours.
If you pick up a girl from either a bar or a night club and she robs you, you can report her to the manager of the bar/night club. They will ban her from entering the bar/night club (she will turn into a motorcycle girl, running the street looking for you).
Just a few tips on the masseurs. They have a base salary of about $VN250,000 a month (enough for petrol to get them to work only). They live on their tips.
The tips are at your disposal. You dont have to give tips if you dont want to. However, even the locals give $VN100,000 per session to the girls. That is per session of 45 minutes. If you go for 1.5 hrs, that is 2 sessions.
Generally, the going rates for the masseurs are:
Without HJ
you pay for the normal massage plus you tip the girl $VN100,000 (Dong);
With HJ
you pay for the normal massage plus you tip the girl $VN150,000 (Dong);
Now, the normal masssage would cost around $VN100,000 for 45 minutes. This allows you to use the steam room, the sauna, the cold & hot pool. In addition, they will also give you a coffee, tea, water and a small plate of fruit in an air conditioned cinema room while you are waiting for your girl (you tell the attandant the type of girl you like and they will try to please you) or waiting for yourself to total relax before your massage.
When the massage has finished you can stay and watch a movie, have a coffee, tea, water and fruits as well as use the heath facilities again, and for as long as you like.
There are lots of girls (sometimes 25-30 girls) at these premises. And they take turn to make their livings. Once a girl has finished with a customer, she has to wait for 25-30 customers to come through before it's her turn again to earn some money. This sometimes can be up to 3 or 4 hours.
The masseurs work between 10 to 12 hours a day and earn between $VN300,000 and $VN500,000, assuming that the average tip is $VN100,000 per session. The earnings will be 50% less if the average tip is $VN50,000.
The owner only allow these girls to work 3-4 days per week - on alternative days -, as they want their premises to have as many selections as they could. And when these girls get older or gain a bit of weight, the owner will terminate their employment.
Most masseurs will not sleep with you, but some will if they like you. I have picked up a few chicks from the massage parlours. They came to my hotel after their shifts and stay till the morning. They did not ask me for any money, but I gave them some.
I hope this will help you when you are in Vietnam.
Thanks for your report bro,
Can you recommend some massage parlors with some nice girls and less scam?
Sixty
Guys,
I have been to many massage palours in HCM City, but I like the one on level 1 at VIEN DONG hotel on Pham Ngu Lao St, District 1. Remember to tell the attendant the type of girls you like.
Have fun guys.
Pussyrider
Sahara on Pham Ngu Lao St, District 1 has been closed for the last three weeks now, anyone know if it will reopen?
It went thru a particularily nasty drug raid. I was there when it happend. All off a sudden, the light came on a 1:30 am, and the doors slammed shut. No one was let out of the club. Lost of screaming and shouting.
All the foreigners was set free and the VN were held back loaded up on trucks and sent to the police station. (150+) for drug testing.
I came with two lady friends, when I refused to leave without them, they himmed and hawed and finally let us off the back door. Just put on a smile and talk friendly, the last thing they want to do is take a foreigner to the police station and have to call a foreign embassy to pick them up. All the negotations took about 45 minutes. No money changed hands.
Since I will be in VN for a while it looks like.
Is there another club like Sahara? Was not too impressed with Lost in Saigon or the other backpacker bars.
Almost do not go downtown to D Khot street. The women are too aggressive, you do not enough time to choose anything before you get swarmed for drinks and gum.
Went to Volcano, apocalypse. not impressed.
Gossip, liquid, and rainforest was good, but not quite the same talent and relaxed atmosphere as Sahara. And since I have been here only 4 weeks, any mongerers out there with better options?
Would like some mongering company if anyone is interested. Anyone living in HCMC?
They were gutting it this week and the owner has decided to turn it into a shop. That's according to staff there, who I talked to. No there isn't anything else like it out there. What you see is what you get. Most of the same people will gravitate to the other places--I saw one of the Sahara regulars at Apocalypse this past week. Like you, they'll be looking for other places to go, and those places will become more like Sahara was as a result. That's how Sahara became what it did. About 2 yrs ago, the police shut down what were the big 3 late night spots (Long Phi, Lost in Saigon and Apocalypse) at the same time, and suddenly the small, dark, quiet Sahara was the one happening place after midnight. The whole backroom area opened not long after that transformation, to accommodate the crowds. A couple months later, Long Phi reopened as a straightlaced quiet bar down the road from its old locale (it was right next to Lost in Saigon before); Apocalypse stuck to closing at midnight rather than 2am, and Lost ... I'm still not sure what happened to Lost in Saigon. Is it a gay bar now? It does still stay open late at least.
Club 501 Does anyone where this is?
District 6?
I was told this was the next best place to Sahara to go to?
Option 2: some bar in the new world hotel? Catwalk?
Lot of very cute girls in liquid or Rainforest, but these are drink and hugs type of girls, have not tried to take one out yet. Anyone tried?
Agree with lost in Saigon, I think it has become a gay bar.
Whhosh the list is shortening fast
I’d like to talk about a topic that doesn’t get much “play” here—meeting "regular" girls in Ho Chi Minh City. I’m just as much of a monger as most on this site, but as someone who’s fortunate enough due to my work to be living in Medellín, Colombia, I have easy access to inexpensive working girls as often as I want, so my passion for the pro scene these days is not nearly as high as it would be if I were living in the USA and taking a vacation to Vietnam.
Sex with hot young working girls is something in which I indulge once or twice per week here in Colombia, and I don’t anticipate that I will do a great deal of mongering in Vietnam. Maybe I’ll go for a haircut or massage with a happy ending, but mongering is not the focus of this trip. I want to have fun in a foreign country, experience the people and the culture, and maybe meet some “normal” girls.
So, my questions are as follows:
1) How receptive are most Vietnamese girls to Caucasian Americans? To give you a background on me, I’m 35 years old (look younger) and am better than average looking.
2) Which places in Ho Chi Minh City are the best places to meet regular girls? Obviously, shopping malls and other similar places would be on the list. Are there any in particular that are recommended?
I will be in Vietnam for 2-4 weeks, depending on how I like it. Any advice would be appreciated. I would also be interested in hearing from some Viet Kieus who might be interested in getting together during my trip, which will have me arriving in HCMC on Dec. 2. I plan to learn as much Vietnamese as I possibly can prior to the trip, but I know that whatever I know won’t be enough.
Thanks!
Hey guys
I will be flying into HCM in a couple of weeks for my first time in vietnam.
Anyone want to meet up and give a noobie a tour for a night?
I will be delving back into the previous posts to see whats what, but its always nice to have a helping hand to find tha paid of er female helping hands and mouth and....
:)
Cheers
[QUOTE=Wanderer2005]Sahara on Pham Ngu Lao St, District 1 has been closed f
Just put on a smile and talk friendly, the last thing they want to do is take a foreigner to the police station and have to call a foreign embassy to pick them up. All the [/QUOTE]A smile will help but the embassy/consulate will not :) The Vietnamese have no qualms about arresting foreigners just so you guys know. I was fortunate to have gone to Sahara on friday, just one day before it got busted.
I really dont know the reason why they let the foreigners go that night but it's not always the case so be careful.
The last thing the embassy wants to do is get involved in bailing out some foreign party boy. They're under no obligation to bailing out anyone.
1- Any regular vietnamese girl would be happy to meet a 35 years old caucasian american...... willing to marry her. She would probably first introduce him to her parents....
2- You can meet them anywere, but not so many would speak enough english
Wendella was right, the migration route has changed!
From 9-12:30 its apocalpyse. All the fish was swimming well here
Woman content definitley went up, looks like all the Sahara fish ended up here. Hooked up with one just for the ride, to see where the herd was migrating for the night. Music was good, fish was plentiful.
Lots of pros and semi pros.
Come 11:45-12:45 they head to Lost in Saigon for the night. (till about 4pm)
Not all the fish swam this way, so it makes me wonder if there is another fishing hole open somewhere else? another bar in pham Ngu Lao?
Lost is saigon is waaaaaaay too small, bumper to bumper all the way. At least the alcohol is cheap. many drunk australian women here, unfortunatley not into heavy set women.
OK so decided to explore other places.
Vivas
69 Huynh Thuc Khang, Dist 1
Smaller place, good dancing lights. not many fish to purchase.But lots of women in groups of 3-4 having the night out (freebies). This was very intresting will explain more later. Drink were priced O.K
Moved to Volcano.
Definetley busier since my last visit. Huge dance floor, get a table on the floor, the music and lights have quite an affect.
Many fish here....:)
2 levels.
The escort class, usually in black or red clothes, long eyelashes, looks very obvious.
The semi pro class, harder to tell, but usually in pairs of 2-3, less drinks on the table, occasional dancing, not that well dressed.
Now the freebies are the real interesting ones. Took me a little while to break down the code.
They are usually in 2-3 groups. Lots of drinking and dancing, basically partying to the max. They will never look at you direct (must be a VN thing) but rest assured if you are looking at them, they are looking at you. They all have real jobs somewhere so they are not desperate, just looking for a BF. Most of them speak resonable english.
Ok so they will never make the first move. If they smile that a sure comeon sign else Barge right into the group, intro yourself and buy them all a round of drinks, dance with them. ALL of them, not just the one you like. (Another strange titbit, their friends must like you for them to go out with you again, for this money must be spent and fun must be available).
Almost no chance to have a freebie on the first night. They always go home together, must be a self protection system! This will happen on a couple more trips, and many text messages and then she will go out with you alone with a possible touchdown. It takes an average 3-5 outings to get anywhere and then if free after that. (OK dinner and partying required).
Oh! if fish lives with parents, freebies are almost impossible.
There is a 30-40 YO level of freebies whom do not have any of these rules. They also party in same packs. same night freebies are possible if they like you and feel you are safe. They are more difficult to decipher, some are married, some are not, but all well educated and well heeled. Dressed conservatively.
Met a bunch of these women, they appear to be the upper level of VN club society. One was a teaches at the local international school, vixen in bed when the lights was off. Totally exhausted by morning. In the morning she looked like an average mild mannered english teacher!
Freebie fishing actually quite easy and more entertaining, it just takes longer and patience. Caught almost all my fish this way lately, but you need a rolling stock developing at all times!
You said :"Any regular vietnamese girl would be happy to meet a 35 years old caucasian american...... willing to marry her"
This is purely imaginary. It is true that many girls are dying to get out of the country so they are willing to marry anyone who can offer them the ticket. Many girls pick Caucasian only because they don't have a choice. They prefer Vietkieu (Viet expat) to Caucasian. This is not to put Caucasian down but the Viet normally look down on girls going with foreigners. And also language barrier makes them like Vietkieu more.
Classy girls pick foreigners only if the foreigners are extremely rich or handsome. Average girls have not much choice so any Caucasian will do. Old Caucasian have more chance with prostitutes than with normal Viet girls.
For the love of the chase.
As Asia opens up with economic expansion and the effects overworking and debt have on society there are many more young women looking for the attention that they don't get it at home. Families will workign parents are not that traditional anymore. The results...more gals looking to do "bad things".
I think that pulling a legit Vietnamese gal is much easier than other Asian monger areas like Thailand, etc.
Of course in all of these situations you have to put in a little effort and understand the culture. And you have to realize that there is a lot more to gain for a Vietnamese gal to pull a "tay" than a Thai gal to pull a "farang".
I have nailed a dozen or so local, educated Vietnamese, even uni students. I am about the same age as you, bta looks, traveled and educated. I have found some of them have been wild too, like "cum on my face or fuck my ass" kind of attitude. Many of them I met online, but others are to be found in the hip areas like in District one where the upwardly mobile, nuveau riche are intersted in western tail.
Hit the malls in the area, during the day and coffee shops/meeting areas at night, and be friendly and give it some time.
[QUOTE=Duggins]I’d like to talk about a topic that doesn’t get much “play” here—meeting "regular" girls in Ho Chi Minh City. I’m just as much of a monger as most on this site, but as someone who’s fortunate enough due to my work to be living in Medellín, Colombia, I have easy access to inexpensive working girls as often as I want, so my passion for the pro scene these days is not nearly as high as it would be if I were living in the USA and taking a vacation to Vietnam.
Sex with hot young working girls is something in which I indulge once or twice per week here in Colombia, and I don’t anticipate that I will do a great deal of mongering in Vietnam. Maybe I’ll go for a haircut or massage with a happy ending, but mongering is not the focus of this trip. I want to have fun in a foreign country, experience the people and the culture, and maybe meet some “normal” girls.
So, my questions are as follows:
1) How receptive are most Vietnamese girls to Caucasian Americans? To give you a background on me, I’m 35 years old (look younger) and am better than average looking.
2) Which places in Ho Chi Minh City are the best places to meet regular girls? Obviously, shopping malls and other similar places would be on the list. Are there any in particular that are recommended?
I will be in Vietnam for 2-4 weeks, depending on how I like it. Any advice would be appreciated. I would also be interested in hearing from some Viet Kieus who might be interested in getting together during my trip, which will have me arriving in HCMC on Dec. 2. I plan to learn as much Vietnamese as I possibly can prior to the trip, but I know that whatever I know won’t be enough.
Thanks![/QUOTE]
James Tran
Didn't you realise I was joking at Duggins? (sorry for that Duggins).
I do not share the optimism expressed by other members about getting freebees in vietnam if people stay short time. I also had some freebees but I found out that most of them had a longer (or shorter) term goal. OK, anything may happen, but I doubt many young viet girl would sleep with a man knowing that he would go back home after a few days and leave them with no prospect for a longer term relationship, or any undirect reward (such as paying hospital expenses for a close family member).
I agree with you on most of your comments. But I guess real classy girls (and others) may also like someone who's gentleman, educated, with a sense of humor....
I work with a lot of Vietnamese. They all agree that you can get quite a few sex workers with no problem. They also all agree that there are many girls out for money and an American passport. Even Vietnamese who go back to Saigon to get a wife usually end in divorce after a short time. Their advice is to look for a girl from the provinces and to take your time. I can tell you that advice is defnitely true for Bangkok as well. Must be the city versus the suburbs mentality.
Thanks for the explanations.
To all,
It is a myth that many Caucasian males think they can get in the female Asian pants easier than their Asian male counterparts. Just like in any countries you can pay to get what you want. Or if you want freebees you have to work for it because there are no easy meals for you. You can get a wife or girl friend rather easier in Asia because you are richer than many of the males there. Your "bach qui" (white devil) looks are compensated by the money you bring to them. Your lack of language (no, you can't be humourous unless you can speak or she can speak yours) are compensated by the promise of bringing them back to your country. If you are thinking with an average Caucasian look (or a little bit better than average) and naturally better built than the Asian males, or having a bigger dick, you can attract females like stinky shit attracts flies :) then you will be disappointed.
My recommendations for any cheap Caucasian out there looking for an easy fuck. If you are a loser when it comes to girls in your country then you very likely may be also a loser in Asia. The last statement doesn't apply to Caucasian guys who indeed desire Asian than Caucasian girls. So if this is your choice then weighing all the pro's (free ticket to leave the country, more gentle (?), somewhat richer than the poorest Asian males, etc) and con's (language barrier, customs) you have about 50 % chance higher than the Asian male and 50% less chance than the Vietkieu. If you think you have bigger cocks and thus have more chance then you are better off with looking-to marry prostitutes or older divorced women (with couple kids) since normal girls are afraid of size. Just think about all the black folks are fucking your white women now and put yourselves in their positions.
It is cheaper to get girls but not easier to find a girlfriend in Asia if you are a loser in your own country!
James Tran,
I think you are missing the wonderful "law of average". It [still] works pretty well in many places in Asia for us white dudes.
I had a hard time keeping a straight face recently when this fat ugly late 30s gaijin guy - that would have had a hard time to get laid at all in his home country - sat down with his 18 yo Japanese date/GF a couple of tables from me in Vie de France. Wow. More power to him.
Law of average. Works for me too :)
James Tran,
Sounds like you have a little insecurity problem. I have been traveling/working in Vietnam over 10 years and I would have to disagree. Most any decent, working white guy could find a beautiful wife in Vietnam who is a "good girl". I have probably heard from hundreds of Viet women about how Viet guys are lazy, drink too much, smoke too much and treat their women like shit. There is a subtle revolution going on in Vietnam, the vast majority of university students and new business owners are women and because of the very small pool of decent Viet guys to choose from, they are staying single or waiting to meet a white guy or Viet Kieu. Although my wife would not even date a Viet Kieu before she married me. Many beautiful and successful women in the cities don't need a white guy because they want to leave Vietnam, they are enjoying their lives and choose white guys for other reasons besides money. Kind of the same problem successful black women in America are having.
You are very correct about one thing, A loser in his own country will also be a loser in Vietnam.
[QUOTE=Wanderer2005]Wendella was right, the migration route has changed!
From 9-12: 30 its apocalpyse. All the fish was swimming well here.
Woman content definitley went up, looks like all the Sahara fish ended up here. Hooked up with one just for the ride, to see where the herd was migrating for the night. Music was good, fish was plentiful.
Lots of pros and semi pros.
Come 11: 45-12: 45 they head to Lost in Saigon for the night. (till about 4pm) Not all the fish swam this way, so it makes me wonder if there is another fishing hole open somewhere else? another bar in pham Ngu Lao?
Lost is saigon is waaaaaaay too small, bumper to bumper all the way. At least the alcohol is cheap. Many drunk australian women here, unfortunatley not into heavy set women.
OK so decided to explore other places.
Vivas
69 Huynh Thuc Khang, Dist 1
Smaller place, good dancing lights. Not many fish to purchase. But lots of women in groups of 3-4 having the night out (freebies). This was very intresting will explain more later. Drink were priced O. K
Moved to Volcano.
Definetley busier since my last visit. Huge dance floor, get a table on the floor, the music and lights have quite an affect.
Many fish here. : )
2 levels.
The escort class, usually in black or red clothes, long eyelashes, looks very obvious. The semi pro class, harder to tell, but usually in pairs of 2-3, less drinks on the table, occasional dancing, not that well dressed.
Now the freebies are the real interesting ones. Took me a little while to break down the code.
They are usually in 2-3 groups. Lots of drinking and dancing, basically partying to the max. They will never look at you direct (must be a VN thing) but rest assured if you are looking at them, they are looking at you. They all have real jobs somewhere so they are not desperate, just looking for a BF. Most of them speak resonable english.
Ok so they will never make the first move. If they smile that a sure comeon sign else Barge right into the group, intro yourself and buy them all a round of drinks, dance with them. ALL of them, not just the one you like. (Another strange titbit, their friends must like you for them to go out with you again, for this money must be spent and fun must be available).
Almost no chance to have a freebie on the first night. They always go home together, must be a self protection system! This will happen on a couple more trips, and many text messages and then she will go out with you alone with a possible touchdown. It takes an average 3-5 outings to get anywhere and then if free after that. (OK dinner and partying required).
Oh! if fish lives with parents, freebies are almost impossible.
There is a 30-40 YO level of freebies whom do not have any of these rules. They also party in same packs. Same night freebies are possible if they like you and feel you are safe. They are more difficult to decipher, some are married, some are not, but all well educated and well heeled. Dressed conservatively.
Met a bunch of these women, they appear to be the upper level of VN club society. One was a teaches at the local international school, vixen in bed when the lights was off. Totally exhausted by morning. In the morning she looked like an average mild mannered english teacher!
Freebie fishing actually quite easy and more entertaining, it just takes longer and patience. Caught almost all my fish this way lately, but you need a rolling stock developing at all times! [/QUOTE]Thank you for that nice report, very accurate! Freebies are available all around Saigon, you'll just have to work harder at it. I'm so exhausted from working that by the weekend comes around I just want to hang out with the guys or pick up a working girl to make things simple. But for you guys looking for freebies, definately follow his advise.
The one thing I do hate is when they go out in packs. It's very hard to break the ice, but like Wanderer said, do pay attention to all of them. Although it should become obvious by the end of the night which one you're interested in and ask for her number (then the game begins). However it's a little stickier if you're interested in more than one in the group: )
I had these girls, Koreans/Vietnamese/Viet Kieu came up and asked me to join them at their table (I was waiting for my buddies alone). Two of the girls were really cute and by the end I ended up writing my number on a napkin and just sort of gave it to all of them. They have called back and I got to hook up with one of them. Hard thing is how to move on to the other ones: )
*Question: now that Sahara is closed, where do everyone go to party after 12? Lost is just too bad crowded, I cant breath in there.
Before 12, try YANG on Pasteur. I went there for the first time last Friday and it was a nice place to chill.
The law of averaging is being applied here. And remember there are always exceptions in every generalization case.
MrMyer,
There are many Viet guys marrying white girls here in the states. However, they have to be decent, hard working and not some lazy assholes who hope one day they can attract these girls by their so so looks. The same case applies to yours so it should not come as a surprise. There are some Viet girls who find Caucasian attractive and vice versa. But I stand firm that in order to date a normal girl your chance of being successful is much higher if you are a decent guy, educated, rich (relatively to Viet guys), you-name-it. Of course there are always exceptions like I already said. I once sold my car to this ugly and poor Caucasian who was an electronic technician with drinking problem. He told me he had a beautiful girl-friend in VN and proved it by showing me his bedroom where he put her pictures everywhere. I was thinking this was a fucking W***** he was praising but I didn't say anything to spoil his dream. Well, congrats to you for marrying a nice Viet girl and hope your marriage lasts. I've seen so many bad cases in US but will not try to generalize it in your case.
Pute Nut,
"I had a hard time keeping a straight face recently when this fat ugly late 30s gaijin guy - that would have had a hard time to get laid at all in his home country - sat down with his 18 yo Japanese date/GF a couple of tables from me in Vie de France. Wow. More power to him."
I wonder how did you know she was his GF and not a hooker?
Sounds like you mostly stand a good chance of getting a non pro if you are Vietnamese. Duh! Anyone would have told you that. Same race and language. Well who would have thought that would help?
So the chances are small. Ok. Well at least we know there is a small chance but not to go there for a 2 week vacation and expect to get laid every night by non pros. My friend told me that the girls outside of Ho Chi Min city are a lot less expensive and to look for them outside of the tourist area. He has said that there are many for only $10 but you have to get a local to help you. Those may be difficult to find at that low a rate and they may charge us more simply because they think we are all rich.
There are always chances no matter what race you are. The question is how big is your chance? The longer you stay and know the people the more chance you have to fuck non-pro's. But I find it is hard to believe if you can score a non-pro within 6 months.
So knowing your chance is slim, just go there, to the outskirt of Saigon and look for hookers. If you don't know the language then my recommendation to you is "pay them appropriately" because there is no way on earth you can fuck them with only $10. I can but you can't, period!
I scored a couple of non-pros on a few of my 3 weeks visits to VN. It does take some prep work over the internet first. Granted it takes a fair amount of effort before hand and its not always a sure thing, but it has worked for me.
I would love to find some of those outskirt girls next time I'm in HCMC. Message me and maybe we can meet for an excursion to the outskirts.
Mr. Thatsmewhat. While I can score non-pro's by tricking them I've never wanted to do that because I can't lie to them like a lot of Vietkieu's have been doing. I am not assuming you are lying (such as bringing them back to States, etc,all the craps) but this is out of the norm if you know what I mean.
Questions:
1) How do you know they are non-pro's by not being able to speak the language and know the locals?
2) What work did you prepare? Maybe you can teach us some tricks here.
3) There are many Viet pro's who are playing non-pro's to catch innocent Caucasians and Vietkieu. They hang out at chat rooms A LOT. Well, you can catch some of them this way but be careful not to fall into their traps. Even Viet playboys got tricked by them.
I am currently living in the States and probably won't go back until next year. I'll be happy showing you around if we have a chance to meet.
I was reading the freebies part of the thread with a certain interest. I am still debating if I like the freebies better than the bar girls or not and I have done so for the last 15 years.
Freebies are possible but with the exeption of 2 freebies, all the ones I received did involve a lot more work, patience and in the end money.
My first freebie was back in 1993 at the time where Apocalyse Now was a small bar with 6 tables. I walked in had a beer and left with the waitress who was as interested as I was to have sex. No money, no strings. The second one was odd. I was sitting at a cafe in Da Nang with a friend. Two girls drove by, stopped and asked us if they could join. The next morning I met the other girl on the street and since her English was better than the one I spent the night with, I asked her what happened. Simple answer, her friend divorced 3 years ago and never goes out. She needed sex and got it.
I will avoid doing a general rule but normally when I started to go out with a regular girl in Viet Nam, it also ended the same way. At first, I would say I am not interested in getting married and having children. I felt that this way, I was clear on my intentions. Time to get them in my room varied from a few days to a few months but the ending was always the same. At one point she realized that I was serious about not getting married and would decide that our relation as no future.
One has to keep in mind that most of the Vietnamese girls have a "mission" to get married and they will do everything to do that. Of course there are always exemptions to the rules and one could get lucky and meet a wealthy single girl that has no interest in getting married and want to have a good time. They are there but in limited number.
One part that is often overlooked is that Vietnamese girls really like drama in their life. The music is sad, all their love songs are sad and they really like this. Is it normal for them to be sad in love. Once in a while they will do something like going out with a white boy, knowing that there is no future but this will provide them the needed sadness. Impossible love is always beautiful and happy people have no stories.
The contradiction is in the word freebie. Mind you that this would not be the first contradiction in Viet Nam. I think that in the end, other than the 2 exemption, the freebies costed me more money than the bar girls. It is not about money but with the notion of freebie. Of course while in Viet Nam one is in the perfect situation to be patient. Go out for dinner and small talk with the regular girl you are trying to get a freebie from and finish the night on Hai Ba Trung street. No problem.
I just landed in SG and found to my disappointment that some of nice bars such as Bar 131 (on Ng Hue) and maybe Number 1 on Le Thanh Ton were gone. These bars are more geared toward Viet Kieu (I am one) and local Vietnamese. Are there similar places open these days? Or where do the VN young/or not so young hang out for the evening ?
Thanks,
Kool
[QUOTE=James Tran]There are always chances no matter what race you are. The question is how big is your chance? The longer you stay and know the people the more chance you have to fuck non-pro's. But I find it is hard to believe if you can score a non-pro within 6 months.
So knowing your chance is slim, just go there, to the outskirt of Saigon and look for hookers. If you don't know the language then my recommendation to you is "pay them appropriately" because there is no way on earth you can fuck them with only $10. I can but you can't, period![/QUOTE]
I never said that it was my opinion James. It was another person who had been there before. I have no idea if Viet hookers are $50/$100/$1000 for all night. Until I go there I really do not care. From what I have seen of the hundreds of Viet girls in Little Saigon here....they really do not like white guys. There are hundreds of thousands of Viet girls living here in the USA and you never see them with white bfs. So one would suspect that finding a non pro without motives of getting to the USA/Visa scam would be very, very difficult.
People generally like their own kind more than another race. Duh! I do have to say that the girls from South America are generally more friendly to white guys and actually like us over their own in many cases. That does not seem to be true for the Viet girls. They rarely prefer us. Like I said....hundreds of thousands living here in Southern California and quite difficult to see them with a white bf. That is why we use the hookers in Ho Chi Min when Americans go there. It is all about money for them and we know that game well.
[QUOTE=John05]I never said that it was my opinion James. It was another person who had been there before. I have no idea if Viet hookers are $50/$100/$1000 for all night. Until I go there I really do not care. From what I have seen of the hundreds of Viet girls in Little Saigon here....they really do not like white guys. There are hundreds of thousands of Viet girls living here in the USA and you never see them with white bfs. So one would suspect that finding a non pro without motives of getting to the USA/Visa scam would be very, very difficult.
People generally like their own kind more than another race. Duh! I do have to say that the girls from South America are generally more friendly to white guys and actually like us over their own in many cases. That does not seem to be true for the Viet girls. They rarely prefer us. Like I said....hundreds of thousands living here in Southern California and quite difficult to see them with a white bf. That is why we use the hookers in Ho Chi Min when Americans go there. It is all about money for them and we know that game well.[/QUOTE]Maybe it is a too close circle in Southern california, but I am surprosed to hear this. When I went to Vietnam 4 times in a fiftenn month period in the very early nineties I had no problem in meeting non-pro girls.
Here in Germany I have a vietnamese male friend, owning a restaurant. The waitresses are quite interested in me, but I took out only on so far (but took out two of his chinese waitresses.
But I haven´t been to Vietnam in over five years, so don´t really know
If anyone knows the name, address and location of this place kindly send a PM. I was brought there by a local, its about 45mins from the city center on the outskirts of town.
I like to get some information re this too! And maybe a short report, Obeone?
[QUOTE=Obeone]If anyone knows the name, address and location of this place kindly send a PM. I was brought there by a local, its about 45mins from the city center on the outskirts of town.[/QUOTE]What place?
I’m getting old, the force is weakening, memory bad - it must be the effect of wasting away too much energy and metachlorian's on pretty asian women. Thank god my trusty oldlight saber still works..haha:D
The “Handsfree restaurant” is situated in a rather secluded area somewhere on the outskirts of HCM about 45mins from the city centre. Sorry for the poor description but it was my 1st time there. One thing for sure, you won't find it in a tourist map. If not for my local contact, I wouldn't have known such a place exists.
The place looked more like a private villa than a restaurant. Judging from the deco, menu and clientele, it caters for the more prominent affluent locals. Upon arrival you are greeted by the captain with a welcome drink. Then we’re given the menu (my friend did the honors) together with a photo album containing an impressive selection of ladies. We each choose a pair - they will be our waitress/companions for the rest of the evening. We are then ushered into a private dining room that resembles those rooms in a ktv joint. Furnishing is spartan; straw mats, a low dining table with a bowl of sweets (actually later found out they were condoms), folding lacquer changing screen, closet, mirror walls and ceiling, cushions and bathroom.
We were just about to kick off our shoes and make ourselves comfy when our waitress/companions arrived. What a sight… they look even better in the flesh than the pics, wearing sexy lowcut black silk see-through Ao Dai's but without the pants and undergarments. My lightsaber stirred in my pants, had to use the force to calm it down (down boy). After exchanging greetings one of the gurls talks to my friend explaining the rules of the house. Basically they are our women for the rest of the evening to obey, serve and entertain us. During dinner we are not allowed to use our hands to eat (not even knife & fork is allowed) instead they will serve and feed us. BUT our hands and other body parts are free to do anything else just no touching the food. Sucks doesn't it? We pay them to treat us like babies… yeah right!:p Little did I know that I was to experience the kinkiness of messing food with sex!:p
One of my girls (I'll call her Y) then gives a bathrobe, accompanies me to the changing screen then helps me undress while the other girl (Z) goes to the bathroom and later emerge with a hot towel and basin of warm water. My friend gets the same treatment from his gurls. I got turned on as Y undressed me, she's probably done this many times before but there was still that element of shyness as she took off my boxers, gazing down pretending not to look at my lightsaber – but her gasp and flushed face gave her away:). Y neatly folded and hung up my clothes in the closet. I'm now just wearing a bathrobe covering my birthday suit. As they say just go with the flow… as I lay down on the mat the Y gets busy wiping our face and body with the hot towel. While shes at work my hands casually stroke, grope and knead her body through her black see-through dress. She trembles, sighs and moans in response but continues her cleansing chores. I dip my fingers in her nicely trimmed pussy, it smells so fresh and tastes delicious. The tender loving care I receive soon activates my lightsaber much to the delight of Y. She gives me a wet sloppy deep kiss. I was just about to plan my attack when on Y when Z arrives with drinks and entrée, leads me by the hand towards the dining table. Damn… no pussy yet but as master Yoda would say “those who wait, good things will receive”:p.
Sit cross-legged at the table, remember “no hands on the food and drink”. Z pours me a glass of wine, facing me sits on my lap and brings the glass to my mouth for a sip - its some kind of local brew. I could feel her bare pussy brushing against my lightsaber thru the fabric. Pointing to the glass and her mouth, I ask her to take a sip. She obeys my command but just before she could gulp it down I pull her closer and give her a DFK. As our tongues entwine I savor the remnants of wine from her mouth. Using the Jedi mind trick, she gets the idea and takes another gulp as we DFK again while she grinds her crotch on my aroused lightsaber. She starts feeding me some sort of soup while my hands start to roam and explore her body. We do our wine sharing act again. Damn… my lightsaber is turning blue by now it needs to release some metachlorians. I point to it and without hesitation she grabs the cushions for me to lay back then starts loosening my robe, licking/sucking my nipples and catbath all the way down to my lightsaber. She grabs it with both hands and marvels at it like an object of worship, gives it tender butterfly kisses while her pussy paints my legs with her juice. Not to be left out I snap my fingers and motion to Y to join in the fun. Y slips her dress off, comes to my side with both hands cupping her tits offers them to me – they’re so soft and succulent. Both Y and Z take turns deeply rimming my ass, sucking my metachlorian laden balls and finally my lightsaber. Damn... I'm craving for some fresh Vietnamese "oysters", instructed Z to get into 69 position for me to savor her delights as she attempts to swallow my lightsaber. Y does the same so I take turns using the Jedi cunnilingus alphabet trick on Z while fingering Y vice-versa, lost count the number of times they climax. I began to feel a disturbance in the force as my two young padawans dedicated ministrations on my lightsaber, balls and asshole began to take effect, finally explode releasing jets and jets of pent up metachlorians. My beautiful padawans gobbled up every last drop of the precious jizz.
After the 3 of us catch our breath, my padawans clean me up ready for dinner. Such a fantastic entrée really built up my appetite for dinner and later desert. I won’t go into the details but let me tell you humping beautiful girls while they feed you and fooling around with food on naked bodies is something that you must experience in a lifetime.
Now back to the quest… this episode happened about a year ago, I’ve since lost touch with my Vietnamese friend who brought me there. I’m planning on making another trip there soon and would really appreciate any info to track down this restaurant. Please excuse the Starwars crap, I just wanted to make the FR funny.
-May the Force be with you-
Hey Obeone,
Great post man.
You got this jedi knight standing at attention. If you find this place agian please keep us inform. I'll be back in VN after the new year. Would really want to check this restuarant out.
Question for you? What was the damage? What city / district and name of the place? 45 minuite north bound or east or west or south?
I can understand the "thrill of the chase" involved in trying to meet gals in bars, hotels, clubs, etc. But I'd like someone who can speak English, be a dinner date, show me around town and explain some of the local ways, and so on..... In most big cities, this would be an Escort. Does anyone know if there are such services in Saigon? Thanks for any info you can pass along.
Obeone, that was a great report and well written! Sounds like a fun place, let us know if you can find it again.
Chikan
[QUOTE=Fw190]I can understand the "thrill of the chase" involved in trying to meet gals in bars, hotels, clubs, etc. But I'd like someone who can speak English, be a dinner date, show me around town and explain some of the local ways, and so on..... In most big cities, this would be an Escort. Does anyone know if there are such services in Saigon? Thanks for any info you can pass along.[/QUOTE]You can find bar girls and freelancers that easily fit your description. Many of them can slide into your escort description very smoothly, especially those from the higher end places. Finding such a girl on your own, without the services of an "agency" is very easy.
And here's a possibility that I rarely see mentioned on any of the SEA boards. It is very possible to take a Vietnamese massage girl working in the U.S. with you on a trip to Vietnam. I realize that this is like bringing coals to Newcastle, but it has some nice attractions. You get an English speaking companion who shares some of your Western idiosyncracies. You already have established compatibility and comfort levels. She can set you up with some male contacts in Vietnam who can open all the other doors, such as the "no hands" restaurants, for example.
You need to set the ground rules up front. She might even pay her own airfare. You will pick up hotels and meals and some shopping. Make sure she realizes that she'll be sharing your bed. She'll want some time alone to visit her family. You'll want time alone to explore some of the waters on your own. Agree in advance on how much time she'll actually spend with you.
The main attraction for doing this from her point of view is that you provide a perceived security blanket for her at immigration, customs, and day-to-day in Vietnam. This is mostly illusory because Viet kieu don't face much harrassment when they return these days. But the perception still seems to persist among a lot of the girls. They are used to depending on men.
Your presence will also offer her some valuable face because she will have a "rich" American in tow,
This is completely doable. If you frequent AMPs or Vietnamese karaoke restaurants, all you have to do is mention the fact that you will be traveling to Vietnam in the near future. If she doesn't make the offer (and I have had a carload of them), you can broach the subject yourself, prerably in a light-hearted way, just to test the water.
In the spirit of full disclosure, I have to admit that I have never done this myself. I would much rather explore Vietnam totally on my own, but the offers are out there. It's just one more alternative for making your trip a memorable one.
To: Co Van My
Thanks for your great reply. Very helpful and thought-provoking, especially that part about bringing a gal with you on a visit from the States.
Now for the short-term part: how easy is it to find an "escort" type date without using the services of an agency? How would I start. Actually, this is a timely question for me, because I happen to be in Saigon right now for a week on business.
Thanks!
[QUOTE=Co Van My]You can find bar girls and freelancers that easily fit your description. Many of them can slide into your escort description very smoothly, especially those from the higher end places. Finding such a girl on your own, without the services of an "agency" is very easy.
[QUOTE=Fw190]To: Co Van My
Now for the short-term part: how easy is it to find an "escort" type date without using the services of an agency? How would I start.
Assuming you do not speak much, if any Vietnamese, I'd suggest one of the following.
Look for a freelancer at Saigon Saigon on the top of the Caravelle Hotel or a Cat Walk girl at the New World Hotel.
Look for a freelancer in the bars (such as Back Packer) along Pham Ngu Lao.
Try a massage at the Bong Sen Hotel, 117 Dong Khoi Street. Tell the massage girl exactly what you want. If she won't go with you, the chances are very good that she will hook you up with a friend.
I HAVE tried each of these successfully although for shorter periods of time.
Back in HCMC and haunting the XVNT moto girl strip in front of the zoo entrance on Thi Minh Khai. See previous reports for details of location. This is my Sunday-Monday night quick visit report.
(+) Sunday Night -> I made the mistake of going a bit early - 8.30pm - and the traffic was very dense, so sat down at the zoo entrance across from the Mitsubishi dealership. I was pleased to see plenty of excellent quality girls circling - 15 or so girls in the 20yo range. The big disadvantage of coming out at this time is that with so many people around to watch, the girls will not slow down/stop unless you go to the curb and wave them down. I don't like to attract attention, so I waited until 9.30pm for the traffic to die down.
Finally made eye contact with a big-busted cutie and she stopped on the third pass. Name was Thuy - 20yo. She shocked me by asking VND900k ST. I dropped my jaw, took a step back and waved her on. She waved me back - the negotiation ending at the shocking VND400k price - about three times she would get from a local and above my regular VND300k price. I made sure she was okay for picture/video and we sped off to the mini hotel. The hotel tried to get VND250k for the room. I politely shook my head and held out my standard VND150k and waited for the guy to accept. During the walk up to the room I was trying to figure out what was making me look like such a sucker with everybody trying to inflate prices. Go figure.
At the room Thuy was a good actress for the camera. She stripped down and gave some great poses. But after that she was in a big rush. Hurry, lay on the bed. 10 sec for nipple lick. 30 sec for (rather good) BBBJ. Slip on the condom. Spread legs. Fuck me please - quickly. With just 5 min of video shot, I slowed things down. Did her mish - big fake moans of pleasure. Got her in doggy - slammed her beaver, giving her ass a slap for her incessant requests to finish. Finally got my fill and got her on the bed, had her spread her legs and jerked a nice load of cum onto her pink oyster. Good girl in some ways, but way too hurried for my taste.
(+) Monday Night (Part One) -> Went out for dinner with colleagues and they dragged me out to a pool bar near Hai Ba Trung. How I hate these bars... so predictable and terrible value for money. Mommy sent me a lovely 22yo baby-faced girl with melon-sized tits. Drink #1 - show us those lovely melons. Touch and suck. Now show us your pussy - at least it is trimmed. Drink #2 - Take off the panties little girl. Quick inspection of her slit. Nice. Girls want to play pool - if they lose they take off an item of clothing. If we lose, we pay VND100k. Waste of time - we have seen everything already. We continue to play pool. Girls start to suggest mini hotel. Quote is US$60 for FS plus US$20 for mini hotel - 2 hour ST. Circa VND120k... and none of these girls are willing to allow video or pictures, so forget it. We finish up some more pool and leave, with the girls bitching for tips as we leave. All-in-all US$15 for some pool, some groping, two lady drinks, two man drinks and tip. I would have rather bought 15 DVDs at the market.
(+) Monday Night (Part Two) -> Get back to hotel from Hai Ba Trung. Need quality relief. Grab my bag and walk over to XVNT. Arrive 10.30pm, so traffic is thin and girls are able to approach easily. I opt to be a bit picky... reject the first couple girls to stop. A real young cutie riding with a mama-san stops - good girl, but they refuse pic/vid. Scope out another talent and signal her to stop - 300k with video agreed and we are off to the hotel. Name was Swee - 20yo.
Back at the same mini hotel we end up with a fan room - yuck. The things we have to bear for love. Turn on the video cam and Swee gets shy... puts a pillow over her body, trying to hide. I give her a stern look and start to pack up - that's the last of that nonsense. Get a decent posing shot. Bad start to the service as Swee does not do BJ. BJ service with these girls is 50/50. Have to move directly to FS. Get into mish and squeak the springs hard. Get tired of the squeaking and switch over to doggy. Beautiful view of Swee's sweet ass and spunk box sticking directly into the air. Slip my cock in and pound away... nice genuine moans when I am slamming her hard. Swee has a nice feel to her box and is not at all rushed - just take my time and enjoy the feel. Build up to a nice climax and blow my load onto her ass crack and snatch. That's the way to end the night. Sweaty, but relieved.
Generally satisied with the visit - pics upcoming. Lots of other talents remain to be sampled, but I get easily tired of the boom-boom mini hotel routine. Next stop is Manila - can't wait to get there.
As you know the 2 street, Tran Quang Khai(TQK) and Nguyen Phi Khan(NPK) are famous for KTV. There are lots of KTV in these streets. By my experiences and "my view point",
1. TQK
1) Style: hardcore
can do anything except love. Girl rushes even if you do nothing
2) Price: expensive
About 800K/2persons
(including tips for girl, 1box of beer and some food. 1 box? not too much for girls bcoz they will drink a lot even if you don't drink.
The price depends on you. If you drink little and don't eat snack or food,
the price will down but to enjoy a lot with a girl, you'd better drink more than you want.
When you are satisfied, you'd better tip for mamasan for future)
3) Girl: thin, taller than NPK
4) Working time: 5:00PM ~ 01: 00AM
Even if visit 12: 00, that's ok.
2. NPK
1) Style: softcore
soft kiss and touch
2) Price: cheaper than TQK
About 600K/2persons
(Girls here don't drink too much bcoz they should start to work from early afternoon everyday.)
3) Girl: little fat but not too bad, some cute girls
4) Working time: 01: 00PM ~10: 30PM
Girls go home at 10: 30PM.
-- End --
I will be staying in this district, roughly on Dien Bein Phu just across the river. Is there any interesting "activity" in that neighborhood, including bars, etc.?
Thanks,
Drano
If anyone is going to Vietnam and wants to hook up with an FL I know a site to chat on to meet such women.
Log in to [url]www.vietfun.com[/url]. Then go to chat and you can pick the age or area where you want to find a FL.
I have done this previously and found some very lovely young and old FLs in HCM City. They have been accommodating in the extreme. One even had me stay in her apartment in Le Loi Street which is in the heart of town.
She was extraordinary.
I had only just arrived on the plane and she picked me up and paid for the Taxi to her place.
I was tired as my plane had left Auz at midnight. But she laid me down on the sofa and gave me coffee.
Soon after she asked me to go to bed and have a sleep. I liked it on the sofa so she came over and gave me a hug. She proceeded to take my clothes off and her own and then gave me a BBBJ with plenty of Anal tongue. She was tremendous. After this I was still horny so put on a Cap and banged her on the floor. It was gr8.
I stayed with her for 3 days and she never tired of BJs and other delights.
One night I had had about 5 bottles of BGI. When we went home I lay on the bed with my butt over the edge so she could tongue it while I gave myself a HJ. When I was about to Cum I pulled her head up and she swallowed the lot. She is a gr8 woman and I intend to go back and see her in 2006.
Have met some young ones on that site also and they were equally good butnot as experienced. Happy hunting on Vietfun.
Just tried it, and found that all the chat rooms were chatting in Vietnamese. Are you a Vietnamese-speaker, or did you actually mean that there are chat rooms that function in English?
[QUOTE=Bleute]If anyone is going to Vietnam and wants to hook up with an FL I know a site to chat on to meet such women.
Log in to [url]www.vietfun.com[/url]. Then go to chat and you can pick the age or area where you want to find a FL.[/QUOTE]
I know a place (about 90 minutes from HCM) Many girls all for 100 - 200 thousand (I would imagine there are at least 50 girls in this location - I see them in many small cafes or on the street). Some very young and beautiful and cute. Some a bit older but more "experienced"
I go there about once a month just for the fun of it. But I have always gone alone. Anyone out there care to hook up and we can go together and have a good time? Most of the girls there don't speak english but I can introduce you to them without problem if you don't speak vietnamese. Please message me if you are interested.
Does anyone have the latest update on whether the following hotels in the central area of HCM City are "girl-friendly" at the present time?
Majestic
Rex
Bong Sen (Dong Khoi Street)
Bong Sen Annex
Continental
Thanks.
The Rex is very Guest UNfriendly. I brought a girlfriend in at mid morning. The doorman reported her and they brought her to the front desk where they read her the riot act. Scared the hell out of her, so she would not go in the hotel at all.
FW190 yes it is a Viet language site on most of the chat sites. Some of the chat sites are english/VN chat sites. However if you preface your email with CHAO BAN which is VN then you can get a post up. Anyway if you use a ANGLO name and just sit there girls will come to you. Especially the ones who are looking for an overseas boyfriend.
Hi,
I might go to Ho Chi Minh soon. Any place you recommend where I can enjoy an hot and nice 3 some with 2 girls? Ani idea about the price as well?
I guess non of the hotels listed by Fw190 are not girl friendly. In Bong Sen you can at least receive girls in your room untill 10 pm if they register at reception. Probably the same for the others except maybe Rex hotel.
Cheers !
I think you are bs'ing. Vietfun is a place that people chat mixing Vietnamese and English at will. You must be a Vietnamese to know what the hell they are talking about. About FL's, I also think you are imagining. Show us some evidences.
Continental should be ok before 11PM. It has a massage area where you can get hj for 100K to 150K dong tip. For 150K you should be able to finger the girl.
[QUOTE=Fw190]Does anyone have the latest update on whether the following hotels in the central area of HCM City are "girl-friendly" at the present time?
Majestic
Rex
Bong Sen (Dong Khoi Street)
Bong Sen Annex
Continental
Thanks.[/QUOTE]
Caravelle is girl friendly before 11:00. Sheraton is UNfriendly.
Blute is correct. I tried it. I logged on to the chat room and didn't do anything (lots of silly air-head chat going on). Then came all the requests for individual, offline chats! It was like moths heading for the flame. More than you can handle. To be sure, probably a lot of that was students trying to practice their English. It would take a lot of sifting to find out if there's any "gold" there. Probably more efficient just to go to a night club in HCMC. :-) But still, the seriousness and intensity of these young Vietnamese on the Internet is really impressive; they are hardworking and dedicated to bettering themselves. Too bad our own kids aren't that way.
[QUOTE=James Tran]I think you are bs'ing. Vietfun is a place that people chat mixing Vietnamese and English at will. You must be a Vietnamese to know what the hell they are talking about. About FL's, I also think you are imagining. Show us some evidences.[/QUOTE]
I stop a couple of times per year in HCMC, always befor I go there I chat a bit in vietfun and I always get a couple good contact some girls I met only for a drink some for everting some for free, its defenetly a good platform to ged some good girls.
But don't worriy, hcmc its my favorit place in SE Asia, and the most relaxing time to break a business tripp very friendly girls. Very easy just the luxory hotels are a pain but $ sorts a lot of things.
I will be in town for a few days next week. If anybody wants to hook-up, drop me a PM. Thanks.
OAH
I just sit there and wait when a female comes on for a Personal Chat I ascertain age, if she can speak english and then get her phone number.
If she is interested and gives a phone number I just write it in my book and ring her from here or when I get there.
It works Trust Me.
I don't know if the Rex Hotel is girl friendly. I think that given the general attitude of the staff it wouldn't be. Then again, it is a pretty busy place and if you don't attract any attention you might get away with it. Just act like she is your girlfriend or wife and you are registered together (and don't bring in someone dressed like a hooker) and go for it.
Why is this place so Popular? Music way too loud, much too crowded and drinks overpriced.
[QUOTE=Asian Rain]As the night park has opened for kids near the zoo entrance opposite the Mitsubishi dealership on NTMK, the moto girls seemed to have stopped crossing the bridge. I now walk over the bridge and sit on the railing. The best pattern I can discern is that girls start up the street and make the turn around about halfway up the bridge.[QUOTE]This place Asian Rain mentioned is still going strong. Though I don't exactly know the system - not every girl will stop for you. None seemed to speak english if you care about that.10-15 bucks was the 1hr rate on offer from most. I found the spot from my lonely planet guidebook map - it's about a 20 minute walk from the big cathedral down town.
Hi guys ,
I'm SE Asia experienced but I'll be the first time in VN this coming January. I'm not really keen to bring girls into the hotel or go to a mini hotel , I rather like to do the 'business' in a back room of a bar. Are there any special places for BJ or ST ?
Cheers,
Bamboo Pete
[QUOTE=Bamboo Pete]Hi guys ,
I'm SE Asia experienced but I'll be the first time in VN this coming January. I'm not really keen to bring girls into the hotel or go to a mini hotel , I rather like to do the 'business' in a back room of a bar. Are there any special places for BJ or ST ?
Cheers,
Bamboo Pete[/QUOTE]
BP,
Yes, you can do that in some of the hostess bars on Hai Ba Trung St.
Cheers, AR
So where's the best place to sit and wait around? I walked up and down both NTMK and Le Duan, and that strip between them with the entrance to the zoo. No dice. Is there a cafe somewhere outside that I can sit and wait?
It's kinda frustrating, this not being able to find it.
[QUOTE=Danielus20][QUOTE=Asian Rain]As the night park has opened for kids near the zoo entrance opposite the Mitsubishi dealership on NTMK, the moto girls seemed to have stopped crossing the bridge. I now walk over the bridge and sit on the railing. The best pattern I can discern is that girls start up the street and make the turn around about halfway up the bridge.[QUOTE]This place Asian Rain mentioned is still going strong. Though I don't exactly know the system - not every girl will stop for you. None seemed to speak english if you care about that.10-15 bucks was the 1hr rate on offer from most. I found the spot from my lonely planet guidebook map - it's about a 20 minute walk from the big cathedral down town.[/QUOTE]
AR,
Does this mean that some bars have a room and some not? How do I find bars which specialize on BBBJ ? Can you give me some bar names? How about the prices?
Thanks,
BP
BP,
Never really paid attention to names, only one I remember is U2 which actually is on a side street just off Hai Ba Trung. There are two side by side on Hai Ba Trung, Nos. 49 and 51 which, in addition to being the address, might also be the name.
Anyway, when you are at the right location you will know it and, yes, some bars have back rooms and some don't. Just go in and you will immediately have a date. Ask your date if she will do BBBJ in back room. Guaranteed 100% of the girls do BBBJ so the only issue is whether they have a back room (at some places the "back" room is upstairs).
Price is what you negotiate, but they will probably ask for $50.
Cheers, AR
[QUOTE=Bamboo Pete]AR,
Does this mean that some bars have a room and some not? How do I find bars which specialize on BBBJ ? Can you give me some bar names? How about the prices?
Thanks,
BP[/QUOTE]
Guys,
I went to VN for my vacation. I stayed there for more than a month. I just got back. I have so many things that I want to tell you guys, but let me rest for a few days. I will update my info soon.
FS
Hi guys,
I'm heading to saigon in two weeks. I've been there only once before and had a fairly slow go at it. I didnt get that many girls, they were mainly motogirls right around newworld. Tryed a hoc toc in cholon, the girls there were 1-3 looks wise. I didnt try any other hoc tocs but if you guys can recommend one I'd love to give it another try. Went to the APOCNOW once but it was overcrowed with guys and I ended up drinking 3 beers and heading back to the hotel. Didn't try any other discos, but from reading the board it seems a good place for stunners but expensive (for vietnam anyways). Any advice you guys can give would be welcomed.
BTW tryed the vietfun chat rooms last nite (probably too late) and got nothing but a bunch of abv's swapping normal chatroom stuff, dunno if it was me using opera or not but didnt get a single invite (will try again today). It would be nice to get a cutie to show me the sights.
Mojoke
Thanks for the hints, AP ,
but BJ for 50 Bucks is not a real bargain compared to A.C or BKK, aint it?
How abount the massage places?
Cheers,
BP
VietSingles and VietFun. You get 3 free responses per day and if you join $9.99 (gold) you get 50.
Many girls give up there number quickly and some have them readily available for Gold Members.
They have written directly to my email address and have sent add'l pics. So it looks for real.
PM me and maybe we'll meet up, may be there when you around.
Cheers!
This is a compilation of the District 1 areas that I have personally used to pick up P4P action in HCMC. I have augmented it with an annotated tourist map so that everybody can better pinpoint the places that I am talking about. I will make references to the areas marked by RED DOTS on the map as I go along.
GENERAL THOUGHTS AND ADVICE
- Cost vs. Peformance: I tend to try to minimise the former and maximise the latter. I may not always achieve this goal, but I look for good bang for the buck. I don't have the access to the significant network of places that service locals nor do I have the time/patience to cultivate freebies. I usually have a small window of time in the evening after going out to dinner with colleagues, so I want a "sure thing" at a predictable price without hassles. Oh, and I HATE bloody karaoke for P4P, so you won't see me writing about those providers.
- Hotels: All tourist and upper-class hotels have varying policies against guests - from "never ever" to "only till a certain time at night." I KNOW Sofitel will allow guests till 9pm (they must leave an ID with the desk). Caravelle will allow guests until 11pm. I KNOW that Sheraton does its best to enforce a "never ever" policy. DON'T ask me about other hotel policies.
This means for most cases you will have to use a small family-operated "mini hotel." These hotels are most often legitimate hotels, but thier main business may be servicing short time girls in the evening. I have encountered two types - cheap US$10 hotels (usually without aircon) and better US$20 hotels (aircon and big bed). As a foreigner, each hotel will charge you a full night's rate for 1-2 hours of use. I have even been rushed out of a hotel after 20min on one occasion (and ended up taking the phone off the hook to enjoy a bit more time)! Always pay for your hotel in Dong - VND150k for a $10 room or VND300k for a $20 room. If the hotel clerk asks for more, just smile and wait till they take the money you offer. Most hotels will ask you for your passport for registration. I NEVER carry my passport - I just smile, shrug my shoulders and say "sorry, no have" to the clerk. They never refuse me a room. All hotels will hand you or the girl an industrial strength condom (yes, they know what you are there for) that will remove any chance you have to feel a pussy. Recommend that you bring your own supply. If you use the hotel condom, you will be charged VND10,000 when you leave, so bring it back upon checkout if you don't use it.
- Negotiating: With moto girls, always negotiate in Vietnamese Dong. At the current exchange rate, it is better to pay VND300k instead of offering US$20. Be clear on your unit of currency to avoid misunderstanding... I write 3-0-0 on the palm of my hand and say "dong" and make sure the girl nods her head.
Girls from Apocalypse, Hai Ba Trung bars and other foreigner-catering places will generally deal in US$ denominations. Spoiled.
- Safety: I have never been ripped-off, but I am extra careful and have heard some awful stories. You should be wary too... NEVER bring more money than is necessary. REMOVE any unnecessary jewelry/watches/etc. ALWAYS lock the door of the hotel room yourself. ALWAYS keep your valuables in sight - for example, NEVER allow the girl to take you into the shower and shut the door... while this is happening someone will enter the room and rifle your pants. NEVER trust the girl - she doesn't trust you either!
[A] THI MINH KAI/INDEPENDENCE PALACE MOTO GIRLS [Ref #1]
Girls of varying beauty ride around on motos - alone or with a driver - looking for short time customers. The girls usually start to come out past 10pm after the nearby park closes. Best to stand in the darkness of the shops (near red dot #1) and look a bit helpless - the girls will drive up onto the sidewalk and come to you. If a girl stops that you like, use sign language to negotiate a price. This is the cheapest action I have personally experienced - US$10-15-20 for ST.
I have used these girls 4 times. Each time the girls have taken me to the same depressing non-airconditioned (fan only) mini hotel near the old Sahara Bar. Each time the hotel has charged me VND150k (US$9) for an hour of room usage. Each time the girl has required me to pay in advance so that the driver can bring the money back to her mama-san. This has led me to believe that these girls are not independent operators. Each time the girl's attitude has declined once I handed over the money: TWICE girls reneged on agreements to do video, one refused to do a simple blow job and ALL rushed the service. This is a direct product of paying in advance. Once you have handed over the money, the girls have no incentive to do anything but get things over with - quickly and painlessly (for them). One pop and you are DONE.
PROS: Cheapest cost. It's darker and the girls are easier to approach. CONS: Cheapest service.
[B] SMALL PARK ACROSS FROM CARAVELLE HOTEL [Ref #2]
FL SW girls will often hang around the small park area across from the Caravelle hotel. They are all looking for foreigners with cash. I have quoted prices with 3 girls - all wanted US$40-50 ST, all were average, none was worth patronizing.
PROS: You could find a gem, but doubtful. CONS: Hit-or-Miss presence, and the taxi drivers will spot you and pester you. Usually girls with babies. Pricey for the quality.
[C] HAI BA TRUNG BARS [Ref #3]
Starting at #49 and #51, there are a couple more bars up to the one next to Pomodoro restaurant. Small places with blackened glass doors. If you are alone or with another male friend, the doors will open and a tout will try to guide you in. There are actually many other Ha Ba Trung-type bars as referred to in other posts, but the system is generally the same in other bars.
Each bar employs 10-20 girls - generally good looking and a couple real cuties. In theory it is possible to go to these bars and just have a beer, but that's not the point. Beers cost circa VND25,000 and girl drinks cost circa VND50,000. Best to CONFIRM THIS and ALWAYS KEEP COUNT. These bars get used a lot for business entertainment - hence you will see a lot of expats entertaining colleagues... they are there for some fun and fondling in the dark but not much else.
When I am taken to a Hai Ba Trung bar, I almost always reject the first girl to approach me. I ask the mommy for a young cutie with big tits and a tight ass. Once I see something I like, I will tell the girl to get a drink. NOTE: You will HAVE to buy the girl a drink or she cannot stay with you. I tell the girl to drink slowly. Once you have bought the girl a drink, you have the right to fondle her within reason - that is what she is there for. That is why I like the big tits and tight ass. It seems the more you fondle, the quicker the girl drinks her drink. I think the girls are programmed to let the drink last for a maximum of 15min, so you can think of it as VND200k (US$13) per hour to have the girl accompany you. I always get the girl to show me her tits and pussy, but don't bother to attempt much else.
If you are fondling very actively, any clued-in girl will sense this and usually suggest going away to a mini-hotel for boom-boom. FS ST quotes I have gotten are US$50 for 2 hours plus $20 for the hotel. I have done this twice and had reasonably good experiences. If you take a girl out, all transactions will be between you and the girl. The girl will take you to a reliable safe mini-hotel that has protection from the police. In some ways I can see why these type of bars are popular - US$100 is not a big cost for an evening of booze, broads and a nice bang to the business crowd.
Some places have private rooms in the back or upstairs. I recollect that #51 has Japanese-style private rooms, but have never used them. They are there for hosting groups - the rooms aren't really designed for complete privacy (glass windows on the doors), so I doubt there is much possibility for on-site services.
All of these bars have a pool table. If you play, the girls will likely want to join in and play for money - one real time/money waster is to play strip pool. If you win a game, the girl takes off an item of clothing. If you lose, you pay the girl VND100k. This is why I get the girl to show me her tits and pussy right from the start - why does anyone want to play so many games of pool and buy so many drinks just to see tits and ass?
If you don't want to take a girl out but still want action, another possibility is to get the girl's phone number. ALL the girls have the latest posh Nokias, so just have her program her number into your phone and then call her the next day to meet up at your hotel (assuming it is guest friendly during daytime hours - see above). You won't save much money, but at least you can have your fun in the comfort of a better hotel. You can also try to take the girl before your hotel's curfew, if you have that luxury.
PROS: Some nice gems to be had for the businessman budget. Relatively safe, anonymous and straighforward - especially if you are entertaining guests. A chance to "know" your girl before you really "know" her - which might end up a GFE. CONS: Pricey. If you get a bad girl, there is no returning her.
[D] APOCALYPSE NOW BAR [Ref #4]
A lot has been said about the decline of this place, so I won't add anything more but to concur. The last three times I have been there in the last 10 months have yielded zero P4P. Not that you can't get it, but it isn't even worth it. Older girls asking for US$75-100 for ST just isn't my zone of acceptability. Take a look and you will likely agree.
PROS: None that I have experienced. CONS: Poor girl/guy ratio. High-priced drinks. Bad music. Girls with poor beauty/cost ratios.
[E] THI MINH KHAI/HCMC ZOO AREA [Ref #5-9]
Okay, I have saved the best (IMHO, based on the 10 girls that I have taken) for last, but those of you staying in the city centre will have to take a $1 moto/taxi ride to get there. First, I pack a rucksack with my video camera/light, a fresh towel from the hotel and my kit pouch with silicone oil and condoms. I usually take a moto to the zoo main entrance at the end of Le Duan (ref #5) and then walk to the zoo entrance on Thi Minh Khai (ref #6) across from the Mitsubishi dealership (ref #7). I walk the last bit because I don't want any moto drivers to know where I am going... if they know you are after girls, some will try to take you places not worth going. Some mongers seem to be walking Le Duan to the zoo main entrance, but the girls rarely cruise this area - there is the National Museum, a school and several sugar cane juice stalls on Binh Khiem, so LE keeps this area sanitized. It does not make sense to go before 9pm... there is a hell of a lot of traffic and some of the shops will still be open.
Try to arrive between 9:30-10:00pm. If you are expecting a dark alley with girls hanging about in fishnet stockings and mini skirts, you will be in for a shock. This part of Thi Minh Khai is a very crowded road in the evening and girls riding the motos will usually be in street clothes - although I have seen a few dress rather sexily. So your first move should be to sit down on the high step in front of the zoo right behind the bus stop. I like to sit here because it is not immediately obvious to onlookers that you are hunting for P4P... you could just be a tourist from the zoo. Look out into the traffic... you will spot the occasional young girl zooming by. If you watch the pattern carefully, you should be able to discern 5-10 girls circling. Just try to get a handle on the potential selection. It will seem that the girls are not looking at you - they will seem to look forward and be completely focussed on the road. But believe me, they are VERY AWARE of your presence. There have been occasions where I was not able to spot any girls in this area (I guess because of LE crackdowns.) Both times I was able to find the girls circling up the road at the bridge (ref #8). You can sit on the railing of the bridge to get the pattern as well.
Some posts have asked what is the "system" here. Well, the system was really designed for guys with motos that can cruise in traffic and talk up the girls while in motion. It was not designed for mongers hanging on steps a few meters back from the road. One thing to keep in mind: the customer base for these girls is local guys - they may never have serviced any kind of foreigner. I think the girls find it just as uncomfortable to stop and proposition a foreign stranger as it is for a foreigner to be standing at the side of the road flagging down Viet girls on motos. But that is just what is required... once you have spotted a girl, your best shot is to position yourself at the edge of the sidewalk and lean up against one of the poles or phone kiosks. If a girl stops and you are not interested, just gently wave your hand to decline and she will go away. If a girl you are interested in does not stop, it may help to discreetly wave your hand to get her attention. If I can do so discreetly, in order to attract a cutie I have also barked "YOU" when the girl passes by.
Once they stop, they will say something like "go hotel mini massage boom-boom." Most of these girls cannot speak any English, they will just want you to hop on the back as stopping by the side of the road attracts unwanted attention - for both you and the girl. Before I hop on, I draw 3-0-0 on my hand and say "dong" to mean that I am offering VND300k for FS. Although this may not be applicable to you, I also confirm pic friendliness by saying "photo/video ok?" Once the girl nods acceptance, I hop on.
NOTE on economics: Local guys typically pay VND150k (or less) to the girl for ST and VND50k for hotel. A foreigner offering VND300k ST is a rather generous sum in this market. My observation is that these girls are relatively independent operators. Just remember, once you have paid a certain sum, the girls will remember.
The girl will almost always take you to one of the many mini hotels behind TMK (ref #9). Sometimes the hotels are full and you will have to try another hotel. Once we arrive at the hotel I will VERY discreetly (without removing it from my rucksack) show the girl my video camera to ensure that she is okay for video. I really like the hotels behind TMK - all take VND150 for ST and offer clean aircon rooms with a big bed. I would even highly recommend them for long-term stay - all legitimate, cheap, clean, safe and girl-friendly! What more would you want? Pay, get your key and go up. I have had girls ask me to pay her FS fee upon check-in. I just point to upwards and say "in room." The hotels don't have any business relationship with the girls that I am aware.
Once in the room often the girls will ask for money up front - they will hold out thier hand. I always reply "boom-boom one, money two." If the girl seems particularly skittish, I will take out my wallet and show her the money. Once, and only once, I took out the money and laid it on the table. I did not let her take it until the job was done. I DO NOT recommend to pay in advance under any circumstances - the incentives to perform will disappear.
Sometimes the girl will just start undressing... this is when I pull out my video cam, oil and equipment from my bag. I like to make sure that the girl will not balk on video, which they occasionally try to weasel out. Don't tolerate it - I will start packing up if the girl refuses! Anyway, you can take a look at my pic sets for an idea of what an experience with these girls is like. I have had some very pleasant girls, but nothing approaching GFE - no 30 min quickie is going to provide that. You should assume that your girl may need some assistance to know what to do... I have had girls strip, lay on the bed, spread their legs and just lie there waiting for me to penetrate them. Remember, this is the service that locals probably get, so a little patience and education can help - use hand gestures to lead the action. Once you are finished (one pop only), you can wash up, pay the girl (I add a VND50k tip if the girl was especially nice), grab a moto outside and go back to your hotel for sweet dreams.
PROS: My favorite balance of price/performance - some nice 18-21yo cuties. A good challenge if you are a "hunter" type monger. CONS: An intimidating process and environment for the first-timer.
Last words - there are a LOT more places to try - bars, discos, karaoke, other SW spots, etc. There are many useful posts from other members which can guide you to these places - READ the POSTS.
Enjoy HCMC! AR+
[QUOTE=Asian Rain]This is a compilation of the District 1 areas that I have personally used to pick up P4P action in HCMC. I have augmented it with an annrequired... once you have spotted a girl, your best shot is to position yourself at the edge of the sidewalk and lean up against one of the poles or phone kiosks. If a girl stops and you are not interested, just gently wave your hand to decline and she will go away. If a girl you are interested in does not stop, it may help to discreetly wave your hand to get her attention. If I can do so discreetly, in order to attract a cutie I have also barked "YOU" when the girl passes by.y in advance under any circumstances - the incentives to perform will disappear.
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Last words - there are a LOT more places to try - bars, discos, karaoke, other SW spots, etc. There are many useful posts from other members which can guide you to these places - READ the POSTS.
Enjoy HCMC! AR+[/QUOTE]
I'd like to nominate this for report of distinction...great FR and map AR!
Can someone a little more tech savvy move this post over?
saigon for first timers
updated as of april 2003
[disclaimer, december 2005: after seeing asia rain’s excellent post on his saigon p4p strategies, i coaxed myself into posting this faq for first timers. unfortunately, many of the specific places i mention here have closed since 2003 or have changed beyond recognition. i can no long vouch for them, but i decided to leave them in the faq just in case anyone wants to do some exploring with an “old map.” as a matter of fact, some of my most memorable experiences have been pure serendipity, something i found along the way while looking for something else. so, with those caveats, here’s my faq, started long ago and last updated in 2003].
this abbreviated faq is a response to the questions from many of my friends who plan to explore saigon for the first time. it is merely a starting point. once you have your feet on the ground, you will quickly find other places to go.
night life in saigon is abundant. unless you speak vietnamese or a vietnamese accompanies you, it is best to start out in places that cater to foreigners -- at least until you begin to understand how the game is played. there are wonderful places on the outskirts, with unimaginable delights. veteran travelers will jump right into them without any preliminaries, but most first time saigon visitors would do well to learn the ropes someplace where there are other foreigners around.
2003 comments
i was in saigon at the beginning of the sars epidemic. the city really wasn’t aware of it yet. it may have had an effect later, but not while i was there.
several new discos have opened with ear splitting volume levels (not my style). lots of new restaurants.
my general impression is that there are more bars, more and prettier ladies, and higher levels of services than in the past. hotels are more permissive. more bars have short time rooms (or knee-scuffed pool tables), and high-end prices seem to have come down a little, while low-end street prices have remained about the same. there is no reason ever to be lonely in saigon!
on the other hand, i also found more rip off bars than before; notably those near apocalypse now on thi sach street, and paradise on hai ba trung. these places either pushed lady drinks way too hard or, in the case of paradise, deliberately short changed me not once but twice.
hotels
things are changing, but up until the last couple of years, bringing a lady guest back to your hotel was not permitted. the normal routine was to go to a short time hotel and pay $10-$30 for an hour or two. in vietnam, short time hotels are usually the ones referred to as a “mini hotel,” but not all “mini’s” are short time. actually, mini hotels, as the name implies, are simply small, privately owned hotels, whereas the big, regular hotels are either state-owned or joint ventures with large international partners. in theory, your payment covers two rooms, one for you and one for your girl friend. this is all eyewash for the police, of course, since prostitution is illegal, and the government periodically mounts short lived but aggressive campaigns against social evils. your girl friend will be able to suggest the proper ‘mini,” but in case she is a true amateur, here are some good stand-bys.
mini hotels
i used to suggest two or three specific guest-friendly hotels, but i have decided to remove these from my faq. first, because there are so many such places that finding one is really not a problem; second, because so many people read these reports that the small hotels i have recommended in the past swiftly get overrun.
regular hotels (that may permit guests)
it is now possible to bring girls back to many of the larger hotels with only small or no extra charges, but the girls had to leave their id’s with reception. there are also restrictions on the time of day. afternoon and early evenings were ok, but very late night or overnight visits were not generally allowed.
i have not tested their guest policies personally, but i have had girls tell me specifically that they could go to the new world hotel (upscale and expensive) and the bong sen hotel (comfortable, newly refurbished, $35 a day). your girl will probably know whether to try it or not. or, just ask the front desk.
just remember that vietnam is much more conservative than thailand and cambodia. the staff will know very well what you're up to and they will be very judgmental. in my case, i use my hotel for business and for greeting friends and straight ladies, and i would definitely not be comfortable parading my "other side" in front of the staff. i think it would reflect very poorly on those whom i meet there.
new world hotel
76 le loi
district 1
saigon
tel: 848-822-8888
fax: 848-823-0710
bong sen hotel
117 dong khoi
district 1
saigon
work: 848-829-1516
fax: 848-829-8076
e-mail: [email]bongsen@hcm.vnn.vn[/email]
guests must be out of the hotel by 11 p.m.
here is a very short list of my favorite places where vietnamese language is not an absolute requirement.
dance clubs
in general, there is a door charge of $5-10. a dancing partner is available for about 200,000-vnd/hour. these are beautiful girls, aged 18-25, in elegant cocktail dresses, chinese split dresses, or vietnamese ao dai. tips are expected (200,000-vnd about average). these clubs feature live singers and traditional (vietnam-style) ballroom dancing. rumba, tango, bebop, cha cha, slow, etc. if you don’t know the dance step, fake it with any american step you feel comfortable with. the girls are excellent followers. nearly all the clubs feature disco type dancing during the breaks.
liberty (tu do)
80 dong khoi
q.1
saigon
829-9820
small but friendly. relatively good selection of girls.
rex hotel
le loi street (i don’t know the address, but this is a famous hotel, any taxi will know it.)large room, girls dressed in plain colored ao dai, the vietnamese long dress. good music. conservative atmosphere.
maxim
dong khoi street, next to the majestic hotel.
this is a favorite of returning vietnamese tourists, who say it is the best of the lot. elegant, stunning ladies, pricey.
discos
these clubs all have small entrance fees ($5-10). they are full of house pros, freelancers, and amateurs. eye contact and a smile will bring them over to you if they are interested.
gossip disco--hotel mercury
(closed for construction in april 2003. may or may not reopen)
tran hung dao street
q.1
this is my personal favorite pick-up place. there’s usually a large number of ladies here, many of them very beautiful. they used to have good music from a filipino band, but currently it’s only recorded disco music. there’s a mini hotel within a short walk: thanh thao hotel.
medusa club
at the end of the long alley beside the amara hotel.
323 le van sy
q.3
saigon
848-843-9999
disco, karaoke
very upscale, but reasonably priced. more than 80 beautiful girls for singing, dancing, cuddling. couch seating around a dance floor downstairs. karaoke upstairs. this is a favorite of the koreans, but most of them have gone back to korea. ask the mamasan for someone who can speak english. many, but not all, will go to a hotel with you.
disco inside vien dong hotel
name used to be cheers, but now has changed to something else.
275 pham ngu lao street
trendy dj music. lots of freelancers.
freelancer places
almost every nightspot abounds with freelancers: bars, discos, nightclubs, etc.
old standby:
apocalypse now, thi sach street
this place has been around a long time and seems to be the hands down favorite of western visitors and expats. it gets absolute jam packed to the point it’s hard to move around. plenty of ladies, some very new to the trade, some just looking, some amateurs.
no entry fee except for unaccompanied ladies, so sometimes it’s fun to wait outside until a pretty candidate shows up alone, and you can offer to escort her inside so she avoids the cover charge. nice ice breaker.
old but comfortable:
backpacker bar
pham ngu lao street
this has been in the heart of the backpacker district for a long time. i have usually avoided it in the past, but when i ambled by the last time, some nice traditional jazz was wafting out the door. i went in for an hour of relaxing recorded music over several whisky sodas, and i left with a sociable young lady who spent the night for d-450,000.
new place:
cadillac club
77-89 nam ky khoi nghia.
upscale, live music, nice bar, quieter than most, lovely freelancers.
bars
pha ly bar
74 hai ba trung
saigon
hostess bar. here, the girls are down and dirty. you can get fs upstairs for $30 total.
stephanie's (cafe dep)
work: 825-8471
14 thai van lung street
@ le thanh ton
saigon
aggressive hostess bar, but the girls are often stunners. they will really hustle you for drinks, so you need to keep your wits about you. you can take girls out of here, but there is sometimes a bar fine. better to discreetly make an appointment for later, or for a nooner the next day.
sun - moon bar
work: 848-824-4295
74-b hai ba trung
saigon
a bar downstairs and mediocre live music upstairs. full of girls.
the monkey bar (aks huu dien).
ha ba trung, corner of lam son square (one block uphill from hien & bob’s). avoid this place unless you a very high tolerance level for being hustled for drinks. this place is packed with hostesses who want to drink up all your money except exactly what you’ll need to pay them and a hotel later. ok to stick your head inside, but be prepared to cut and run.
mac thi buoi street
between dong khoi and hai ba trung
several hostess bars along this street (e.g., crystal, u-2 (formerly green field ii) long vy). many of these bars have short time rooms, pretty grungy and not always private. asking prices are $30 (d-450,000), with half going to the mamsan. since street prices usually start at about d-200,000, there’s not a lot of room to bargain.
hien & bob’s place
43 hai ba trung
for a change of pace, this venerable bar offers some beautiful but conservative waitresses and a quiet place to relax alone or with friends. the ladies are always in traditional ao dais, but under the guardian eye of owner hien, they rarely offer more than coquettish conversation, although a high percentage of them have ended up marrying their regular customers. bring your manners and a happy disposition and you’ll have a pleasant time.
barber shops
there are three kinds of barbershops in vietnam: straight, shampoo-facial-massage (sfm), and shampoo-blowjob or more (sbj).
please don’t leave vietnam without a 2-hour sfm shampoo. you don’t need to get a haircut. the specialty is a cool, long shampoo, a facial, and a body-massage (fully clothed). under the right circumstances, with discretion, you can move to considerably higher plateaus on subsequent visits. i have never tried to meet any of the girls outside, but i have the phone number of several of them, so i’m sure it’s possible. this is an unforgettable, sensual experience.
sbj. there are at least a dozen of these strung out over a half-mile stretch of dien bien phu street starting at approximately #76 and stringing all the way to #380 and beyond. i picked up the following report off the web. sorry, i didn’t note the name of the poster, so i can’t give proper credit. however, i have verified the information. these are straight out bj places. sometimes you have to remind them to do the shampoo.
“… the barber shops (with potted palms out front) on dien bien phu from the canal to the traffic circle intersection with soviet nghe tinh have certain services available for 60k vnd (one place tries to charge 100k) plus 60k-100k to service provider (after services rendered). level of service depends on the provider and your vn lang. skills. most consistent quality of service is ben my (green/yellow sign) near canal. the providers are sometimes interested in meeting clients for after-hours (closing is 10:30pm to midnight) entertainment. attractiveness is variable. take a long slow walk and you should be able to find someone you like lounging out front. don't let them hand you off to someone else.”
a cyclo or honda driver can help you find a similar place, but they will probably extract a commission, which will drive your price up. here are the key words, with phonetic, american pronunciation. tell your driver you want goy dow (shampoo) and massa maht (facial massage) voy guy dep (with a pretty girl). he’ll get the picture.
daytime dates
many girls will be eager to spend the day with you for free. it’s a date! here are some places to go for a relaxed outing.
dam sen park
this is a big, sprawling park in district 11, a 20 or 30-minute taxi ride from the heart of town. it has a zoo, many nice walking paths, an elevated perimeter train, outdoor cafes, and many other exhibits and attractions. this is a favorite place for taking posed wedding pictures. on any given day you will probably see three or four brides in flowing white gowns, together with photographers and entourages.
water park
a big theme park about 15 minutes north of saigon in the area known as thu duc. this place is a lot like its american and european cousins: water slides, raft rides, etc. it’s a good place to play, or just stroll around. there are several secluded seating areas under thatched shade canopies where you can usually find some privacy.
vung tau
this is an easy day trip or overnight from saigon. the high speed hydrofoil boat makes the trip down river to this beach town in about 1h 20m at a cost of about $10. there are several departures each day from the river docks at the end of ham nghi and dong khoi streets. once in vung tau, you can take a taxi or honda to any of the four beach districts. beach vendors will rent you a canvas lounge chair and an umbrella dirt cheap, and others will pass by to sell live crab and shellfish, which they will cheerfully steam up for you beside your table. some bread, some beer, oh yeah!
cyclos
i advise avoiding riding cyclos after dark until you are very familiar with the city and the culture. the risk of being ripped off or rolled, while still quite low, has risen markedly over the last couple of years. plus, many/most of the younger drivers are obnoxious pimps who are very aggressive at trying to take you to a bar or massage place where they have special ties. also, they will extract a commission from any bar they take you to (taxi’s won’t), limiting your chances of bargaining down the prices inside. you will have no trouble linking up with ladies by taking taxis to the places i have listed. nevertheless, cyclos are fun, and i recommend you try one during the day. pay no more than 10,000-vnd for a 5-15 minute ride. the locals would pay less than 5,000 for the same thing. rates for a two or three hour tour are negotiable. unless you speak pretty fair vietnamese, i suggest you let your hotel negotiate a price so that it is fair, and even more important, understood by both parties.
money
if you like to carry cash, i strongly recommend new-issue $100-bills. these are readily changeable in the hotels. also a supply of $10s and $20s is helpful, but not required, when paying mini-hotels. old-series, dirty, or damaged bills are often not changeable. i don’t have any personal experience with traveler’s checks, but they seem to be in common use, at least in the hotels. i wouldn’t count on having them accepted in most restaurants or bars.
atms:
there are two atm machines that accept western atm cards and dispense cash. at the present, they dispense only vietnamese dong. the vietnam banks impose no surcharge for this service. the exchange rate is the international settlement rate, so about as good as you can get anywhere. atm’s are available at
new hong kong bank
cach mang thang tam street
adjacent to the new world hotel
saigon
new hong kong bank
opposite the catholic church at the end of dong khoi sreet
open 24 hours
anz bank
at the foot (river end) of hai ba trung street
saigon
the current exchange rate is just under 14,000-vnd for $us-1.00. ergo,
$100 = vnd-1,500,000
vnd-10,000 = $0.67
appointments with a lady
while it is common to pick up a girl at a bar or disco and go from there to a short time hotel, there is another alternative. if you like afternoon delights, you can easily make an appointment for the following day. the problem is making absolutely sure, given the language problems, that you both know the time and place.
here’s my solution. go to one of the mini hotels and pick up some of their business cards. at the same time, tell the desk clerk that you would like to come back a day or two later with your girl friend, just to be sure there is no embarrassing problem at the time of check in. then, when you meet a girl with whom you want to make an appointment, give her the hotel’s card, and write the appointment time on it. wait for her in the lobby and make another quick contact with the desk clerk. this is a sure-fire approach that has never failed me. it also puts the whole affair on more of a girl friend basis, which everyone will appreciate: the girl, the hotel, and you. one caveat: don’t take any other girls to the same hotel. the girls will be told, and the whole girl friend illusion will evaporate.
miscellaneous tips
dutch treat (not!). it is quite possible to forge a quick friendship with a variety of vietnamese guys, anyone from a business associate, to a sales clerk, to a waiter, or even a taxi driver. vietnamese are very friendly people. true, some are out to rip you off, but others will truly enjoy and be mesmerized by your company. they can steer you to a lot of places that foreigners don’t often go. but beware: if you suggest going somewhere for food, drink, or entertainment, you will be expected to pick up the bill for everyone you go with. the reverse is also true. if an associate invites you to go somewhere (don’t confuse this with a mere suggestion or a tout’s sales pitch. you have to judge his intent and his ability to pay), he will expect to pick up your bill. there is no such thing as a dutch treat. you will insult your friends if you try to split the bill.
now, for my usual disclaimer. if you're simply looking for sex, there are lots of cheaper and easier places to find it than vietnam. but if you are in vietnam on business, or for a wider range of tourist pursuits, there is no reason to be lonely. vietnamese ladies are something special. for many of us, they are the most beautiful, loving, and erotic girls in the world. good luck!
Great post Asian Rain,
This will be very helpful with my trip.
You have my thanks sir.
Dunno if you'll be there when I arrive but I owe you a beer.
thank you so much co van my
Your post it is the best about saigon nightlife I do not know if you live in saigon but I would like to offer to you a couple of beers.
From Europe
Paulo
CVM and AR,
Thank you for your post. Heading to HCMC on the 12th for the first time. Looking forward to meeting the motogirls. Anyone with suggestions on where to meet local girls? Prefer local hangouts that dont mind foreigners. Have seen a few mentioned in the previous post. Just wanted an update. Please PM if you prefer. Also anyone there at that time and like to meet up, pm me. Thanks in advance.
Regards.
Well I live in VIetnam right now and tried quite a lot Massage parlors but would like to know if you guys know some nice ?
Here is a small list of nice Massage Place :
-Vien Dong Hotel : opens 24/24 nice rooms, so many girls working so the quality depend on the girl, price : 100.000 VND and tip is up to you
-Bong Sen Massage : right in the center, nice selection of girls but a little bit more expensive
- Tay Nguyen on Nguyen Trai : Nice massage mainly for VIetnamese and chinese 150.000 VND for 2 hrs and nice and funny girls
Guys,
Here we go. This is the report that I promised you guys last week. This is going to be a long detail one. I will try to keep it simple, and you need to pay attention.
First:
LIQUID CLUB
104 Hai Ba Trung, District 1
Tel: 822-5478
This place is just a normal club like any other clubs that we go to in the US. Well, that how it looks. There are more to it. If you need to find a girl, there are 2 ways to do it. The first way is for anyone who can speak Vietnamese fluently. You can sit in there, and you can actually spot several girls that you think they might be the girl for tonight. However, it's a trial and error kinda thing. You can approach and talk to them. What you want to do is to start a normal conversation and of course later you ask if they want to go out "over night" with you. Now, if you can't carry the conversation and ask them that question. Man, I don't know how I can help you, you "rookie". The second way is a lot easier and a lot safer. This is how I started, and when I know the place a little bit. I can spotted the "girls". I usually came and talked to the girls myself after the first time I was there. Let's get back to the second way. There are waiters in white shirts, and there are security in black shirts. And, also there are guys in black shirts who go around and help you to call the waiters (the waiters are extremely busy). These guys are very close to what we called "busboy". However, they are not. These guys can help you to find the best girls for your money. You can ask them if they can find you a girl to go out with you tonight. By saying all of that, it's 100% legal. DO NOT mention anything about "SEX". They know exactly what you want to do. Tip him 200,000 Dong (approximately $12 or so). You tip this guys when you let the girl go in the morning. You give the money to the girl in the morning and ask her to give it to that pimp; unless otherwise negotiated. You will need to pay the girl 1,000,000 Dong (approximately $75/night). This is a little bit more expensive, but this is what I do all the time. It's safe, and the girls are PRETTY. Here is a trick about timing. Let's say that you want to leave the place at 11:30pm, then tell those guys to get the girls there by 11:00 or latest is 11:15. The girls are usually late. BTW, if you haven't noticed, the girls that they call for you are from outsite the club. DONE number 1.
Second:
OXY CENTER
88 Tran Huy Lieu
Ward 15, Phu Nhuan District
Tel: 997-3751
This is a bar. All they do in there is drink, drink and drink some more. It's kinda fun. There are girls will come to your table and stand there with you. You can hug and probably you can do more than that, and it depends on the girl herself. Now, this place is also a great place to find girls. Well, here is the warning. NOT all the girls are *****s in there. Be careful with what you do to those girls. Some of them let you touch their breasts, some of them don't. So, find a table in a corner somewhere. Now, the question is "how do we find a girl for the night?". Well, it's easier to find girls in this bar. There are 3 ways. One, you can talk to the girls if they want to go out with you. If not, ask them if they know any girls. Two, you can ask the waiters. The process is similar to the one from Liquid Club. Three, there are girls sitting by themseves in the bar. 99% they are *****s, and if they are not, they are Mamasan. I asked a girl one time, and it turned out that she is mamasan. Well, those mamasan looks really good too. About the price, you pay the girl 1,000,000 Dong (~ $75/night). And tip the one who find that girl for you 200,000 Dong (~$12). DO NOT pay more than what I just mentioned, except mamasan. She might want 300,000 (I gave her 300,000). DO NOT pay her more than that. Well, it's up to you. DONE Number 2.
Third: (This is the winner)
SHERATON SAIGON HOTEL
88 Dong Khoi Str., District 1
Tel: 827-2828
This is not a cheap place. Everything cost just a little bit cheaper than in the US, about 15% cheaper. I just want to tell you this so you have a general idea. The girls are not cheap either. This place is considered a "high class" club. Oh, I forgot. Their club is on 23rd floor of Sheraton Hotel. Anyway, I like this club a lot. The girls are up another level. They can dance, drink, and more importantly they are WILD. Some of them wear mini skirts, damn... I just want to lick those legs all night. Anyhow, how the hell can you find a girl? Well, again. Ask the waiter. This trick works like a charm for me. There is one girl named "Hang". Ask if the waiters know her. I picked her up on the dance floor. We negotiated within 30 seconds on the dance floor for 1,500,000 Dong/night. She asked for 2,000,000 Dong/night. I countered and got to 1,500,000 (approximate $100). She worth every penny. She is wild and full of engery. She sucked me dry. Got the picture guys? She wouldn't let me sleep. This is the girl. I remember one time I fell asleep, don't remember how long. But, she woke me up by sucking my dick and TUMA. One thing about her, she do BBBJTCWS, but NO anal. DONE Number 3.
Well, that's all. I stayed in Saigon (HCM City) only. Some of you guys asked me about Ha Noi. Well, sorry I didn't go out there this trip. However, I can tell you this. Ha Noi is even better for our hobbies. Very easy to pick up a girl out there.
Good Luck all,
FS
[QUOTE=Artisto Art]VietSingles and VietFun. You get 3 free responses per day and if you join $9.99 (gold) you get 50.
Many girls give up there number quickly and some have them readily available for Gold Members.
They have written directly to my email address and have sent add'l pics. So it looks for real.
PM me and maybe we'll meet up, may be there when you around.
Cheers![/QUOTE]
Congrats if you had some successes. I have a feeling that there are quite a few gay guys frequent the VietFun chat rooms.
Has anyone tried Adult Friend Finder?
Thanks for the report. That was some good tips and info. I have some question. Are those prices in USD. Isn't $75 usd a hell of a lot of money in Vietnam. :-D
There must be better and cheaper alternatives even if you dont speak Vietnamese. Hopefully I'll find it before or when I get there soon. I appreciate your post and may have to resort to paying those inflated prices.
Bustling city, friendly people with basic English spoken, more than I had imagined.
I'll cut to the chase re: girl fun. It's here gentlemen, just unlike the ubiquitous BK or PTTY. Ranging from the average bar to the upscale places where you pay to talk with girl before deciding. An example was Catwalk, where they had great looking girls dressed in sexy, colorful gowns but their poor attitude seemed contagious ... Homey don't play that game.
Plenty of areas with Moped girls, either independent or with mama/papasan driving, acting as negoiator. It'll happen in most places after 9 pm just by standing on street corner, certain areas much more than others. they'll pull up to you and try to strike a deal.
Overall look of girls are pretty, but when Surfer and I ventured outside Saigon into smaller provinces, we noticed better looking girls.
Will report more later!
Cheers!
Goderos,
Yes, $75 is A LOT of money in Saigon. That can feed you for a week (or at least 3 days). And of course, everything depends on where you go and what you want.
And yes, there are other places that are much cheaper. However, $75 for the whole night + SAFE with the girl, I would do it. As you see, I had fun.
Keep in mind guys, you will get what you pay for. Again, there are other places are cheaper. If you guys find any, please share with us.
Peace out,
FS
Looking forward to going back to SGN in 2006. My last trip I enjoyed a bit of time in U2, well, a couple of times. First was a little thing about 4'9" or so, got BBBJTC in back for I think it was 300K, I know I overpaid, but it was an outstanding effort on her part. Second time was a couple nights later, their ST room is next door and upstairs. I forget what I paid, but it wasn't as good as the first night there.
Fun Sex,
It is ok to pay these girls $75 if you think it is worth the money. I have couple friends who go to China with me on many trips. One guy always bargains hard even it takes 1 hour to drop just $1 on a $20 item. The other guy (typical American) bargains very little and normally pays about $30 for the same one. I spend just about the same amount of time like the 2nd guy and get what I want; ie $20 for the item. I think you are the 2nd guy I mention above.
So these ho's just know who we are and will (or will not) adjust the price accordingly. There are many ways to get 3 X better good looking girls than the girls in Sheraton with a lot less money. However, they are a little complex and require you to speak and know Viet a little more; you must belong to a circle of Viet sex-loving friends, as an example.
Sorry fun sex, i don't mean to be insulting, but I would not recommand unexperienced readers to follow your example.
First, what's the use of asking a waiter for a girl? At least 90 percent of these girls are working girls. The only result may be that the girl will pay a commission to him and will overcharge you accordingly.
Second, you were fully overcharged by this girl, compared to the usual sheraton price. These girls are not another level at all as you wrote. They are the same girls who used to go to Apocalypse. They just changed their clothes and now wear long dresses. I always get them for 50 dollars (about 800 000), and believe me, I never take the less beautifull ones. Anyway, the real beautifull ones are usually not in this place.
[QUOTE=Artisto Art]Bustling city, friendly people with basic English spoken, more than I had imagined.
I'll cut to the chase re: girl fun. It's here gentlemen, just unlike the ubiquitous BK or PTTY. Ranging from the average bar to the upscale places where you pay to talk with girl before deciding. An example was Catwalk, where they had great looking girls dressed in sexy, colorful gowns but their poor attitude seemed contagious ... Homey don't play that game.
Plenty of areas with Moped girls, either independent or with mama/papasan driving, acting as negoiator. It'll happen in most places after 9 pm just by standing on street corner, certain areas much more than others. they'll pull up to you and try to strike a deal.
Overall look of girls are pretty, but when Surfer and I ventured outside Saigon into smaller provinces, we noticed better looking girls.
Will report more later!
Cheers![/QUOTE]
Hey "Aristo Art"
Hope your trip is going well. Keep posting, buddy. Sorry I did not get to call you before you left as planned. Just got real busy. Take care.
Crypton
Such as Catwalk, Apocalypse now, Sheraton, etc.
to teach these ho's a lesson in "unfair" practice :) Let the dumbs and the dumbers pay the rediculously high price for these ho's. Supply and demand principle rules! After couple months these ho's will automatically drop their price that even a cyclo driver can afford :D
I was in HCMC for 3 nights. Nothing really extraordinary to report. I was very busy during the days and a bit tired and lazy in the evenings. Staying at the Caravelle, my usual sources produced poor results. There was not much doable in the park nearby and the mama's stock as you walk right out of the hotel was 4-5 at best.
Around the corner on Hai Ba Trung, I popped into 49 and 51 for a look. Took one girl directly upstairs for a BBBJ. She asked for $40, and we agreed at $20. She did me on the pool table which was an interesting experience.
I went back again on Night #2 and took one out for ST. She insisted on the $50, but did stay over 2 hours and I had 2 pops. Service was pretty good.
BTW, I never have any trouble taking girls into the Caravelle.
On the last night, I just went to Hong Sen for a massage/HJ. They have remodelled the place and are offering 20% discounts. $6 for massage, $10 for HJ.
OAH
Well, I only partly agree with you, James. Different places have different prices and may correspond to different services. Having fun dancing and talking with a girl in Apocalypse or Sheraton before fucking is worth a price difference, compared to a girl you pick up in the street and only quickly fuck.
The problem is first to pay the right price for each place and service. Paying 50 dollars in the street is overpaying, but is not in Apocalypse or Sheraton. Paying more than 50 dollars in Apocalypse or Sheraton is overpaying. Secondly,the question is if the girl worth the price. Personaly, I would not give 50 dollars to most of the girls in these places. In fact I would not fuck them even for 20 dollars, but I guess other people have other taste.
Old Asia Hand:
Two months ago, I went to Saigon for the first time and got a massage and HJ at the Bong Sen Hotel. They quoted me $12 for a massage, double what you paid. No mention of any discounts -- I wonder if they quote different prices depending on whether you're an Old Asia Hand or not. I definitely came across as a Newbie. And I know, the fact that I later paid another $50 for a HJ in the booth means I was taken. But I didn't know any better; after all, there isn't any schedule of standard rates! But know I know better and will be more suspicious next time. Still.....if old hands like yourself, James Tran, or the others can "post" what should be the standard rates, then maybe there will be some kind of general consensus that ISG readers can go by. Otherwise, the Newbies will continually overpay and drive expectations up. Just a suggestion.
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]
On the last night, I just went to Hong Sen for a massage/HJ. They have remodelled the place and are offering 20% discounts. $6 for massage, $10 for HJ.
OAH[/QUOTE]
OMHO, I think it is really important that board member and users try to stick to the lower prices quoted on the board. As mongers we want to continue to enjoy their services and get good value. There is nothing wrong with overpaying, esp. if you do not know better. But if you find the information here usefull and are using it, I feel it is respectful that you pay the same as the reviewer. Or else I would hesitate to do a fr and have to pay more down the road because someone else thought he be a nice guy a leave a big tip.
I may get flames for this comment, but I stick with what I am saying. I think the locals pay a lot less than what I am seeing on this thread. Correct me if I am wrong.
Thanks.
BTW, OAH is a very skilled negotiator. His prices are probably in line with what a foreigner would have to pay.
For upscale the place to go is Amara in District 3 (323 Le Van Sy Street); Closes at 11 and girls show up between 6 & 7. $70 for onsite including nice room but better bet is to negotiate meeting after closing time at your Hotel.
The bitchers (no other word for it) at Catwalk have the worst attitudes I have ever encountered (outside the US that is). Apocolypse is SO over (my friend who lives there said it was great 2 years ago); more guys than girls, lots of tourist couples who read about it in the Lonely Planet and VERY few doable girls.
Buy a plane ticket to PP if you want cute VN girls at a reasonable price. The quality is just about as good. VN is the ONLY country where you pay more at the source than you would in another country. VERY bizarre.
[QUOTE=Surfer]For upscale the place to go is Amara in District 3 (323 Le Van Sy Street); ...[/QUOTE]Glad you found this place because it sounds from your other reports that you have been rather bummed out in Vietnam. The club behind the Amara used to be called Medusa. Is it still? While pricey, it has the best lineup I have seen in the foreigner-friendly parts of Saigon.
In Hanoi, a similar and cheaper venue is the dance club inside the Hanoi Hotel.
On balance, I think I find myself far happier in Vietnam than you seem to have been. You voice common complaints about ApocN and Catwalk. It's not everybody's cup of tea. Not mine either.
Viet kieu girls have the advantage of better diet, dental care, and cosmetics, which are priced beyond the budget of Vietnamese P4P girls. But past that, one either enjoys the culture and the ambiance, or one doesn't. If its easy and cheap sex that one wants, there is no question that Vietnam is the wrong place to look. Cambodia and Thailand fill that bill very nicely.
I, however, am hooked on the Vietnamese in Vietnam. If better health care was available, and if I had a pied-a-terre in Thailand, Singapore, or the U.S., I could easily find myself living there.
I hope Surfer's trip lasts long enough to find some of the pleasures that keep the rest of us coming back.
the only other country that compares, IMHO, is Japan. VERY exotic and I did NOT mean to sound negative about VN as a destination. Now that I have found a GF for the trip, won't be going out much more. I am taking her to Phu Quoc tomorrow.
YMMV always applies, of course, and asian guys who prefer tall and White will like the high end places. But I personally prefer the small brown types that are MUCH more prevalent in Indonesia & the PI. I also believe the Vietnamese are the biggest histlers (along with the Chinese) I have ever experienced. So ironic that a supposedly communist country could be composed of such materialistic people. I think Vietnam will be reasonably wealthy in a few years, unlike Cambodia, Indonesia and the PI. That being said, I prefer the girls in those countries who seem to think in terms other than how to make a dong.
[QUOTE=Surfer]Apocolypse is SO over (my friend who lives there said it was great 2 years ago); more guys than girls, lots of tourist couples who read about it in the Lonely Planet and VERY few doable girls.[/QUOTE]Surfer,
Apocalypse now was great in the early nineties, when it was in its second location. You could filter cigerettes there even you might smoke
Glad to know things are better than I inferred. The countryside girls seem to meet your criteria of looks and attitude better than the city girls.
How about your GF trip to Phu Quoc? I've never traveled in Vietnam with a working girl, and I'm interested to know the hurdles you faced.
I have made a few extended trips with a matronly Hi-So type, but we were scrupulously conservative, renting two rooms and publicly behaving ourselves, although we did sneak into each others rooms on occasion.
At about midnight the night before we were to leave, I woke up to the smell of smoke in the room. We had a deal that she would ONLY smoke in the toilet, NOT in the bedroom. This was the third breach of that agreement and I berated her so badly she upped and left (having lost face). Accordingly, I went to Phu Quoc alone (though I did get a hand release ON THE BEACH from one of the massage ladies but I needed to close my eyes and pretend it was Cam Ly to get off) LOL!
INCREDIBLE place to bring a girl and I am ZERO doubt there would have been no difficulties. I've done that for YEARS in MANY countries, and while VN is somewhat different we deported ourselves much more like husband and wife than client and Bia Om girl.
Hermescali: You, as usual, got theere at the right time then as i HATED Apocolypse (though the smokiness was a big part of my aversion, I admit). I feel the same way about most nightclubs in Europe though (too smoky). God Bless California's ABSOLUTE PROHIBITION on smoking in ANY enclosure except a private residence or hotel room. To breath fresh air again softens the sting of returning to America the Repressed!
PS Met a GREAT couple from Wien in Phu Quoc and hope to visit them in 2006 which is "Mozart Year". Be nice if you could come up too and we could make a road trip to Bratislava for some action. Tschuss.
Will be in HCM mid Jan.
Looking for GF hotel in city centre.
Can anyone help?
Many thank's
Fw190,
I have never been to the Bong Sen massage so I don't know the deal. I used to pay only $5 for the HJ when I first went to the Hong Sen in 1990, but the girls asked for $20 even in those days. The massage was $5, as well. The Floating Hotel basement bar was $50 ST. Strange that prices have not changed much over the years. Having said that, I remember a bar owned by a Brit and his Vietnamese wife near where the Monkey Bar is now where FS ST was $5 and the mini-hotel room next door was $10 ST in the old days.
Morale of the story is that you need to negotiate, especially in Vietnam.
Happy Hunting.
OAH
P.S. Goderos, I have never seen local mongers in any of the massage/HJ joints in District 1. They tend to patronize other areas where prices are much lower.
OAH,
I would love to find the local action. Not much into the tourist P4P industry. I prefer the local experiences when I travel. Wonder how I'll find it? Well we'll see how I fare when I arrive there. My first trip will be short only about 7-10 days. Hopefully my lack of the local language wont be too much of a problem. And my mongering sense will lead me the way. Anyone willing to share or meet me, can PM me. Thanks.
[QUOTE=Edinburgh]Will be in HCM mid Jan.
Looking for GF hotel in city centre.
Can anyone help?
Many thank's[/QUOTE]Ask them if you allow to bring girlfriend before you register.
I will be going to HCM in 6 weeks.
I haven't been for 4 years.
Last time thought it was crap along with Na Thrang! (Sorry about spelling)
There was a club called Appocalipse & that was about it as it picked up in the last 4 years.
Thanx
[QUOTE=Patterson]I will be going to HCM in 6 weeks.
I haven't been for 4 years.
Last time thought it was crap along with Na Thrang! (Sorry about spelling)
There was a club called Appocalipse & that was about it as it picked up in the last 4 years.
Thanx[/QUOTE]
Patterson,
I have not been to Apocalypse, but it is still there. There are a number of hostess bars along Hai Ba Trung St. where you can find Vietnamese take-out or, depending on the bar, you can do the deed in a back (or upstairs) room. The girls will want $50 and will test your negotiating skills more than in the past. There is lots of info here on getting girls into the hotels. You might want to read up on that before your trip.
Cheers, AR
AR
Thanks for reply.
Last time in HCM there were a few bars one was like a cowboy saloon type bar is that Hai Ba Trung St with one on the corner with some real nice classy girls in!
But as i say it was years back the last time I was there.
Writing this from HCMC where mongering has been low on the agenda for once. Best tip that I've seen is stood right outside the gateway to the Omni saigon Hotel, where I negotiated a US$20 FS deal, but sadly went off to malligans Pub to mull it over. The girls are apparently next door to the hotel, and you have a choice. Shame the pissed Vietnam Airlines (South African) pilot kept me talking for so long in the bar. Next time...
More guys than girls, many tourist couples, the girls which are on the program are mostly very marginal looking. The Haa Ba Trung bars are WAY better. For those looking for action in that area, U2 (near corner of Mac Thi Buoy) is probably the best bet.
Does anybody know if a hj (or more) is available with massage in the Sheraton? Staying there soon, but time limited and accompanying people.
AL
[QUOTE=Patterson]AR
Thanks for reply.
Last time in HCM there were a few bars one was like a cowboy saloon type bar is that Hai Ba Trung St with one on the corner with some real nice classy girls in!
But as i say it was years back the last time I was there.[/QUOTE]
Surfer is right, U2 is good and a right turn off Hai Ba Trung if you are walking away from the Caravelle Hotel toward the river on the right side of the street. I have done the upstairs room, a scary experience in the sense that I thought we might end up going through the floorboards, but the last time I was there I was told it was "being renovated" which is a good thing. Before you get to that right turn there are two bars at No. 49 and 51 where I have also had good experience.
I would recommend spending a little time assessing personality, a drink for her and a little touchy-feely time. Some of these women are real sweethearts and some are real bitches. I think, in general, the newer they are to the game the better.
A friend of mine just returned from Vietnam.
He took an offer from a good-looking moto girl one night. Instead of taking him to a mini hotel nearby, she took him into a dark alley where he was jumped by 4 guys. He was a big, tall guy, but they beat the shit out of him with bats. She just zoomed off in her moto, pretending she was a victim too.
One guy pulled a knife and gestured my friend to hand everything over. He had to hand over his wallet and a digital camera. The guy held a knife to his throat and searched all his pockets. Finally they all ran away. Everything happened very quickly and very quietly.
He got a couple big bruises in his stomach and his arms but no open wound. He was too embarassed to call in the police or report the crime to the US Counselate. He definitely does not want his wife and kids to find out that he went mongering. Nothing the local cops could do anyway since the thugs just disappeared into the slum. They probably set up their ambush again, the same night, somewhere else.
Lucky he had his passport and air tickets locked up in the hotel. His stolen CC were used for purchases of jewelry and other expensive items. Many attempts were made to withdraw cash. He had one hell of a hard time calling credit card companies to cancel. His trip was trashed without the CC. He told his wife his wallet was lifted. This guy was pretty shaken up and will stop mongering for a while.
When in a third-world country, it may be wise not going anywhere with a stranger at night, even in daytime. Know exactly where you are going and take a taxi. That's the safe way to go.
owl - wow sorry to hear about your friend. that is horrible. i would not recommend hcmc for mongering. imho, it's horrible. will post report soon.
it is good if you are here and want to have a GF. that's the best way to go here. find a goog girl early and keep her for the duration of your trip. just my two cents. i will post something more about this later......
Hi,
Acc to my experience abroad I can recommend the following:
a) Take always 2 wallets with you - a special oine for mongering activities!
b) Leave almost everything at the hotel, in the room safe or central safe. I've never had any problems with safes, even when I've forgotten something there and the next guest was already in the room...... (the security guide has to wake him up, was unconfortable for me, but all of us has survived..)
c) Put in your mongering wallet only as much as you think you need, including small money and change. There is no change back from your sweetheart, if you give her e.g. 50 USD and expect to get 20 back no way! (she will tell you you are the man of her dreams and should support her, tip her or whatever
d) Never let a girl to bring you somewhere in a place you don't know. I've made this mistake several time and regret it always. Insist on action at your hotel. Also don't trust the guys telling you they will bring you to a young lady. I've learned to answer: Bring the girl to me, I'll tip you 10 USD.
e) In a country like Vietnam I'll try to find an English speaking guy, pay him something (in Uzbekistan I've paid 20 USD/day + 10 USD for him for half an hour fucking one of the girls, he was so nice...) and let him assist you
f) Taxi is good as long as there is a minimum of communication with the driver. My eperience with the drivers, don't trust them too much, they don't put you really into danger, but often the results of their doing were not satisfying.
I know these are simple ideas but they were very effective since I use them.
Fuck best
LAG
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]A friend of mine just returned from Vietnam.
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Hello to all my fellow Bro's, First posting on this site so bear with me. I've RTFF'd but could be prone to the odd schoolboy error. Anyway, on with the post.
In HCMC at the moment on business with mongering on my mind. I've mongered in quite a few countries and read a lot of the posts here so was looking forward to the experience. With business clients so had to watch my p's and q's. Intial outlook was that still plenty of bars (U2, 49 etc) with plenty of decent looking girls. A bit in your face and low market but readily available. On a brief moment of escape went into 49 but not a lot of choice so drank up after a game of pool and a few gropes and went to U2. Better selection there and ended up with a BBBJ/CIM for $30. Probably overpriced but was with a Malay colleague who had already sealed a deal with another girl so it was impossible to negotiate lower. All in all not a bad experience but by far not the best I've had.
My preference is a bit more upmarket from these bars so tried Cafe Royale. More of a hostess bar but some good girls. Was with clients at the time so didn't negotiate but it was obviously there for the taking. Got a couple of days left so plan to try out massage/HJ/FS and will post but from reading previous posts will avoid motogirls. Advice there would be "would you go up a dark alley with a complete stranger in your home town?". Think not so common sense should always be in abundance.
Hope this helps and plan to post regulary on my travels. Singapore, Philippines and Bangladesh are up next.
In communist Vietnam, undercover cops are everywhere, monitoring everyone, especially foreigners.
Another friend, a Vietkieu, picked up a girl one night in Pham ngu lao, the back packers area, for US$50. She took him to a mini hotel nearby. He paid $10 and went in the ST room. They both took off their clothes when there were loud bangs on the door. The hotel manager quickly opened the door and let in the cops, who were raiding suspicious prostitution activities.
The cops checked his papers, wallet and belonging carefully for drugs and political materials. They gave him a stern lecture on how they would not tolerate any Western decadence, and that by laws, they could have locked him up for 5 days for interrogation etc...They took down his name and made a copy of his passport. The girl just slipped right out the door.
When they left, he found out that all his cash, about US$500, was missing from his wallet. The hotel manager apologized profusedly, but there was nothing he could do, since he did not rent a safe for his personal valuables. There was no police report of the raid. He could not take down the name of any of the cops as he was roughed up and felt threatened. They weren't wearing any badges. He felt he might have been set up.
The pics he showed me of the Vietnamese girls make them look very similar to Thai girls with underdeveloped bodies, darker skin, small frame, short legs, small boobs, round face, straight dark hair, slanted eyes, wider nostrils... They don't look that good to risk assaults, robberies and LE entrapment, especially when their prices are similar or even higher than Thailand. Most of these girls look worse than the SW's in TJ who could be had for $20 ST. Some of these girls even look FUGLY.
WTF. Why did he have to go such long distance and pay that much money, risking a lot to fuck these ugly girls? Why didn't he just go to Thailand where prostitution are open and legal, and he could select from thousands girls, some very good looking in Patpong and Sukkhumvit? Sometimes he has to be there to attend to family affairs, so he has no choice.
You are right. Fucking Vietnam is a place with a lot of bull shit and drama, and not exactly a place I want to go mongering.
[QUOTE=Goderos]owl - wow sorry to hear about your friend. that is horrible. i would not recommend hcmc for mongering. imho, it's horrible. will post report soon.
it is good if you are here and want to have a GF. that's the best way to go here. find a goog girl early and keep her for the duration of your trip. just my two cents. i will post something more about this later......[/QUOTE]
Well, that's the way it is sometime in vietnam and elsewhere. It was many times stated by myself and others that Pham Ngu Lao girls steal, and that girls you pick up in the street steal. In the Pham Ngu Lao girl case, I bet she was in acquaintance with the cops, otherwise they would have put her into prison. Maybe they were not even cops!
Better stick to safer and more expensive places, especially if you are not experienced!
[QUOTE=White Settler]Hello to all my fellow Bro's, First posting on this site so bear with me. I've RTFF'd but could be prone to the odd schoolboy error. Anyway, on with the post.
In HCMC at the moment on business with mongering on my mind. I've mongered in quite a few countries and read a lot of the posts here so was looking forward to the experience. With business clients so had to watch my p's and q's. Intial outlook was that still plenty of bars (U2, 49 etc) with plenty of decent looking girls. A bit in your face and low market but readily available. On a brief moment of escape went into 49 but not a lot of choice so drank up after a game of pool and a few gropes and went to U2. Better selection there and ended up with a BBBJ/CIM for $30. Probably overpriced but was with a Malay colleague who had already sealed a deal with another girl so it was impossible to negotiate lower. All in all not a bad experience but by far not the best I've had.
My preference is a bit more upmarket from these bars so tried Cafe Royale. More of a hostess bar but some good girls. Was with clients at the time so didn't negotiate but it was obviously there for the taking. Got a couple of days left so plan to try out massage/HJ/FS and will post but from reading previous posts will avoid motogirls. Advice there would be "would you go up a dark alley with a complete stranger in your home town?". Think not so common sense should always be in abundance.
Hope this helps and plan to post regulary on my travels. Singapore, Philippines and Bangladesh are up next.[/QUOTE]Good common sense: avoid dark alleys, you never know what could happen. There is a small chance that ANY PLACE a new SP takes you could be a set-up for a ripoff. I had three experience in my life where it could have gotten violent. The first time was when I encountered a SW who took me to a bare apartment. She decided a few minutes into the session (in the living room) that she had enough and walk into the bedroom. Her pimp/boyfriend came out and went into the kitchen. I started swearing and yelling (but was a little freakout inside) when I was putting on my clothes, saying this is fu..ing bullshit. But, decided to leave since I did not want to fight over $60 and he had probably access to a weapon in the kitchen. My life is worth more than $60. The second time was more worse for the SW who took me to a apartment which had people in the living room. After a BJ session, she asked for more money, I gave her $20 which resumed our session. Next thing you know, her pimp comes in the room, starts yelling at her for not charging money for extra time, then throws her out the door, across the hallway into the bathroom where she hit her head. She started crying, I started yelling, swearing and acting mean, telling the bastard she got the extra money. I got out of there no problem but I felt bad for the SP. No woman deserves to be treated like that, he will gets what coming to him one day. The third time was when the SW left my car because she was afraid of my vocal encouragement during the BJ. I guess she thought that I was a crazy, next thing you know me pimp boyfriend is sitting where she was sitting, and he was not there to finish the BJ. He started on me because she ran away screaming, when he produced a small knife, I calmly explained to him that I am sometimes loud during the sessions and she took it wrong. He decide that I drive him around to look for her and when she was not to be found, he escaped on foot. Trust your 6th sense, do not go for it if you feel strange about it. But, sometimes ,shits happens in life.
I was lucky to have my friend's relative drive me around in HCM which includes seeing m.c girls at 200,00 at pop. The locals know where to go and what to do for sightseeing, restaurants and your pooning entertainment-they know the right prices too. ( I feel for these poor backpackers who will be walking in the 30+ degree heat when they should be enjoying a back massage in an air cond room with a slim asian babe who has her hands on your love handles.) Since the palour is used by the locals, the prices are lower and the babes are good as anywhere else.
Hi El Frances,
My friend said these guys all wore Russian pistols, so they were cops. He believed the girl in this case was most likely working with crooked cops.
Scary that undercover cops in Vietnam never feel the need to show their badges. They just assume that the people know they are real heat. I heard there was a string of robberies of jewelry stores in Hanoi last year by a bunch of guys posing as undercover cops.
I read in ISG a few mongers had also complained that they were set up by moto girls around the main market, where moto cops swooped in during the bargaining and extracted heavy bribes before letting them go.
It looks like there are lots of prostitutes everywhere in Vietnam, and the locals can patronize them easily. However, the comrades in Vietnam seems to feel the needs to keep up appearances to foreign visitors, so they have all sorts of stupid laws against tourists bringing girls into hotels etc...They try to project their straight-laced appearances by pretending they never heard of the word FUCK!
Hotel owners stand to lose their licenses and their properties if they violate the laws, so they have to bribe local cops heavily to look the other way.
[QUOTE=El Frances]Well, that's the way it is sometime in vietnam and elsewhere. It was many times stated by myself and others that Pham Ngu Lao girls steal, and that girls you pick up in the street steal. In the Pham Ngu Lao girl case, I bet she was in acquaintance with the cops, otherwise they would have put her into prison. Maybe they were not even cops!
Better stick to safer and more expensive places, especially if you are not experienced![/QUOTE]
Does anyone have any experience at Club Royale? I went there for karoake but it seems there is a lot going on in the bar area from 7pm. What's the deal? Could be interesting.
Am on the ground in HCMC. After the "ugly" incident report by O-W-L, I guess I was destined to follow with the "bad" and the "good."
First, the BAD. Went out to TMK for my usual moto action. I was hopeful that thigs would be great as the city is buzzing with pre-Tet (Lunar New Year) festivity. The flight was crowded coming in and the airport was packed with families welcoming relatives coming from afar. Anyway, took up my usual perch on the bridge... I didn't spot much quality, so I was about to give up when a mama-san pulled up with a smiling cutie on the back. Off to the mini hotel. Got to the mini, paid up and went upstairs - I confirmed that pics/video would be okay. To make a short story even shorter, the girl was undressing as I set up the camera... she went into coverup mode. Once I got a good look at her - she had a horrid giant stretchmark blotch. I would have shagged her, but she refused the video. I packed up and bailed out. Went downstairs and after a lot of bitching managed to get back 50k of my hotel fee... I felt lucky to get that. Too pissed and tired, I packed myself back to the hotel and called it a night. Promised myself never to pick up another girl riding with a mama-san.
Now for the GOOD. Next evening I was hoping for better... and I'm delighted to report that my lunar new year hong bao (red packet, but in this case more like "pink packet") came early. I was headed out to dinner when I spotted this girl waiting at the bus stop across from the Sofitel. I have had spotty luck with these girls, but I walked over anyway and sat down next to her. Average face, but nice sweet smile... something that I always take as a sign of a high-potential candidate. Only English she could manage was "What your name?" I just used sign language to confirm if photo/video okay, and she nodded and smiled. Rushed back up to the hotel (past 9pm, so no chance to get her in to Sofitel), got my party bag and we were off to the mini-hotel near TMK.
This girl was just awesome for a freelancer. She took off her jacket and clothes to reveal an awesome pair of firm tits with light pink nipples. Superb nipple licking, competent bbbj and a tight pink little fcuk box. Did her doggy and mish... the mish was excellent with her tits flying up and down as I banged her box. No rushing at all as she seemed to be enjoying the ride, letting out little grunts as I slammed away. She liked playing with her tits - squeezing them together - as I did my thing. I knew this girl was quality talent, so I went for it... got up into COF position and indicated for her to open her mouth... jerked a thick load of white stuff into her mouth... my first facial with a local Viet girl. Yum yum! We showered up, I dropped VND300k into her pocket (she confirmed that she was a total amateur when she didn't even count it!) and then she looked at me and said "merci." I replied "merci beau coup!" What a sweetie - a wonderful Tet hong bao!
I was buzzed from my first Viet facial and went to the Marine Club Restaurant on Le Thanh Ton for a nice meal to celebrate. Great pizza and seafood with great prices. I recommend the pork fillet with honey sauce, just 95k and comes with chips and baguette. Stopped at the Internet shop across from it to write this report.
A Happy Lunar New Year to the Vietnam boys! The year of the dog is almost here! Woof woof! Will be howling at the moon this year! AR+
[QUOTE=Asia Rocks]I have done the upstairs room, a scary experience in the sense that I thought we might end up going through the floorboards, but the last time I was there I was told it was "being renovated" which is a good thing. [/QUOTE]
I remember that room from my trip a couple years ago. You could actually see thru the (wide) cracks to below. IIRC, whomever controlled access (you left U2, went outside then were let in thru this door to go upstairs) then basically locked you and your companion in there until done. I think I even heard and felt people walking on the floor below while I was at play.
[QUOTE=Shiofuki]I remember that room from my trip a couple years ago. You could actually see thru the (wide) cracks to below. IIRC, whomever controlled access (you left U2, went outside then were let in thru this door to go upstairs) then basically locked you and your companion in there until done. I think I even heard and felt people walking on the floor below while I was at play.[/QUOTE]
Ahh memories. I had forgotten about the out and in entry, but the openings on the floorboard were even wider than wide cracks. They were gaps! In any event, was there again last week and renovations never happened; shocking!
So, now just a back room off the bar for BJs, but not very private. My "date" said doggie FS was doable there and when I asked about the pool table said "can". I decided to move on and submit this for reference only. Fair number of girls there, maybe 15, many attractive, but no stunners. AR
I went into a bar at 51 Hai Ba Trung in Saigon. A girl sat down by me. She said that she wanted to go to a hotel with me. I asked her how much for one hour. She said $50 US. She refused to go any lower. In a country where the average monthly wage is about $100 why does a girl think she can earn half that in one hour? The girl didn’t seem too friendly and made it very apparent she just wanted my money. I could tell that it probably wouldn’t have been a good experience anyway because of her attitude. So I decided to leave. She tried to overcharge me for the drinks I had bought her. She even grabbed me and tried to stop me from leaving until I had paid extra. In what other country would such nonsense happen? I think they finally let me leave because I was bigger than everybody else in the bar and they could tell that I was quite angry. I’ll never return to the bar at 51 Hai Ba Trung again. In this country, people seemed so focused on exploiting foreigners to get a few extra dollars, but fail to consider the long term consequences of their actions. If they didn’t try to overcharge people, people would be more willing to return again and spend more money.
Spent a few days in HCMC before going up to DaLat and NhaTrang. Was with my wife and family but still managed to get to a few bars, including Apocolypse and one of the HBT bars around the corner from Carravelle.
Apocolypse clearly had plenty of action with some fairly attractive possibilities. No lack of clear intent eye contact and touching there. In the HBT bar just around the corner found myself with a gorgeous girl named Sun, who was very sweet, no innocent, and very keen to earn some extra 50$ for boom boom. Didn't take out because of family there, but did let my fingers do a lot of walking. She was the most amazing kisser too. My beers 30k dong lady drinks 50k dong. Tip for the kissing and fondling 50k dong.
What i found most interesting was that in spite of being with family, i came away with mobile numbers and email addresses of three hotel receptionists in VN, and also a lovely head waitress at an upmarket chinese restaurant in Singapore! I never asked for one - they just gave them to me quietly!
Even though i understand they identify who has the money pays the bills, its still great for the ego!
Ozirob
[QUOTE=Casey2005]I went into a bar at 51 Hai Ba Trung in Saigon. A girl sat down by me. She said that she wanted to go to a hotel with me. I asked her how much for one hour. She said $50 US. She refused to go any lower. In a country where the average monthly wage is about $100 why does a girl think she can earn half that in one hour? The girl didn’t seem too friendly and made it very apparent she just wanted my money. I could tell that it probably wouldn’t have been a good experience anyway because of her attitude. So I decided to leave. She tried to overcharge me for the drinks I had bought her. She even grabbed me and tried to stop me from leaving until I had paid extra. In what other country would such nonsense happen? I think they finally let me leave because I was bigger than everybody else in the bar and they could tell that I was quite angry. I’ll never return to the bar at 51 Hai Ba Trung again. In this country, people seemed so focused on exploiting foreigners to get a few extra dollars, but fail to consider the long term consequences of their actions. If they didn’t try to overcharge people, people would be more willing to return again and spend more money.[/QUOTE]
Good instincts, assuming you were new to this as I do. Probably could have changed the girl, but not a bad choice to just move on.
So what's the deal with this Cafe Royale?
Where is that? Never heard of it.
CR is a ritzy, high end karaoke at the side of Riverside Renaissance Hotel. There is a bar (Club Latin) open KTV and private rooms. It is claimed all girls working there are at least 1.7 m tall, and there are at least 100-150 fairly attractive ladies each night on call.
Hot spot for business entertaining, particularly the da lao bans from SE Asia.
Although I have never partaken, it seems the girls there are available for take out (I even have some numbers that were pushed in my pocket...) but guess the cost outweighs the product. I am sure from the clienetle that these ladies are expecting USD 100 and up for entertaining.
Asian Rain ... you were in HCMC? Wish I knew. Would have loved to buy you the beer I promised. You are one hell of a guy. Wish I possess your mongering talent.
Anyways, just a follow up on the last few posts here. I am at an internet cafe and dont have my HCMC info map with me, so my details are a little sketchy.
Several observations: I agree with many of the comments on the reports here. This is not a good mongering city. Certainly not good value. The hot girls are mostly overpriced and the local talent are hard to come by esp. if you dont speak the local language. Maybe its a supply and demand thing. There isnt enough to go around.
Just a note: I checked out 70% of the places mentioned here in the last two years. Because of the lack of new info and so many people reading this board and using the details here. Some of the places were a bust. My best bets were with locals taking me there. NOT moto taxis. Even the expats(some here for 8 years) get gauged for much more money.......................
I rented a motobike and went up the street where mitsubishi dealershipis heading towards the bridge and the zoo on the right hand side. In the few nites and day I drove by. I saw a total of 1 maybe 2 girls that were 8's. One i think I saw a week later and she no longer looked like an 8, maybe a 6.5. The rest were were between 2-6 ages 19-33. Maybe saw 10-15 girls total. There were a few younger looking ones but normally with mama. It is the same girls working the same scene when i was there. Whether I was in Hai Ba Trung, TMK, Pho Gu Lau or Karaoke, It was always the same talent. This is before tet so that should be no excuse to the lack of quantity and quality.
I spent a lot of time and money in HCMC. So I will share only info that is already posted here. No point sharing new info as no one returns the favor. So if you've contributed and want new info message me.
You can get FS ST with room for 150K - 300K vd and BBBJTC for 90-120k vd in hcmc. This is mainly for the local. So expect to pay more if you are a foreigner. I had a tough time with zero vietnamese spoken. The girls are sweet and 3-7's ages 19-26. The higher class girls, the 8's and 9's for $50-100USD. This ones are really hot and good looking. By far and away some of the prettiest girls I saw on my trip. Real stunners not the U2 or 49-51 HBT variety. There are local destinations outside of district one with some nice girls. Many on the 5-8 but prices vary. But HCMC still not a good place for mongering. I ALWAYS had problems with bringing girls to my hotel. I stayed at 5 different hotels of different varieties. ALL gave me problems. Including the ones that are normally girl friendly. Maybe its just my bad luck or just more money hungry cowards. Maybe its my timing, i spose its not normal to bring 2 girls back at 2 am in the morning here. Crap city!. Hope things will change in this city.
There are many sweetheart girls here, but just as many crooked many hungry man and woman. It is corrupt to the core. I will get flamed for such a blanket statement.... :-( But there is truth to it. I wish I could detail more about my experience but this is a public board. So just leave it as my POV.
It is dangerous here esp after midnight. I sometimes love to party all night but finding fewer cities to do it in now. Mind you Vietnam never was a party kinda town. This is certainly NOT a party destinations. Neither is BKK now. Was taken to the lamest after hours place with my date. Sigh!..... HK only good on weekends and only sometimes.... Where can you find a good city to party in ASIA? Have not been to Manila lately... but hears that is declining too.
Anyways, your best bet here is to stay more than a week. Find a girlfriend early and stick with her through your entire trip. Take her with you everywhere you go. Pretty boring stuff but good if you like GFE. Pay her about $100usd per week plus all cost associated for the trip.
If you got a shorter time and can afford it(OK it's not that much for some of you, but you are paying a girl more in one night than half the populations monthly wage) go to the higher destinations not named Apocalypse Now or Sheraton. Did not see one knockout freelancer in the nights I was there.
Maybe it's just me, but most of this girls cant dress, dance or talk well. So i don't think they deserve the big bucks. Same thing can be said in China. I am sure its a process. And they will be better in the future I hope. Sorry I am rambling... . Why cant girls be more like girls and woman more like woman. Ok I am rambling now. Cost usd$50-100 per nite but YMMV. Depends on girls. Sometimes they wont go with you. Sometimes they wont leave you alone.
Or for a quicky, get a local to take you to the fake shampoo stalls. You can even get two girls for a reasonable price. Or the rent a room and a girl place. AKA the truckers stop. Pick a girl you can ask to see if she will go bcak to you hotel. Between 90k VD to 300k vd or less than $18usd........
rip off alert... just be warned. it will happen to you. the moment you arrive till you leave. there are people who will try to scam you. it will happen often and it will happen everyday you are here. so beware. u think i am exagerating, perhaps. perhaps i am being funny, maybe. But I assure you someone, somowhere will try to rip you off.
First off. there are four girls(one may be a tranny, or at least looks like one) on two motorbike and possibly another male accomplice that circle the Pham Ngo Lau area NIGHTLY. The locals there know who they are and so do the cops. I have seen, met and heard about them. Not making things out. I met a really, really nice brit who had his phone stolen. He already has a GF here and knew about this girls. This was a nice man and was approached by the girls and he already knew the scam girls but he was drunk. So they pick his pocket. And same thing happend to an american guy the nite before and probably another the following nite etc etc.... Everyone here knows about them but nothing is done about it. I was approached by them several times. Grabbing me and touching, unprovoked. They are not alone.
The first time i got scamed was innocent enough. It was the books they sold. I overpaid. I had a local with me from the hotel. but the girl yelled at my guide to tell her not to say anything. so when I asked my guide what a fair price for the book was. she just froze and said nothing. anyways i paid more than double what u hould have. This wasnt the only time i got scamed
Even the police tried to make me pay 10x the normal bribe to him. All because he could. Let's leave it at that. Final note: the locals pay 5000 vd for a moto bike ride. i always pay 5000 vd as well. and will tip him if he was honest and allright. you will be quoted 20000 vd for even the shortest ride. he will take you around the block to m ake it seem like it was further. it happens everyday.....
i know someone that did not know the area, and only needed to go down half a block on the side street to the sheraton. moto taxi took him for a ride and only charged him 30000 vd. how nice.....
i asked a for directions once and was pusposedly shown the opposite direction. walked 15 minuted before i realized i was going in the wrong direction. Not a courtoues move at all.
And the the answer is no i dont think it is fair or right. There should not be two, three, four different rates for locals, vietkieus, foreigners, etc..etc... .
Freeebie action. pretty limited with the local girls. its hard sometimes when you go to bars as there are a lot of working and freelancers. so you never know is they are after the money or not. best bet are the foreigners that are visiting. some are horny and want the same hot action as you. i managed a few. French and Rusians but really wanted the locals. The locals are nervous about going to the hotel rooms. The shame is unbearable.... :-D . I had to make out in Taxis and once in her chauffered driven B'mer. Was a very hot girl. Damn. She wanted it too..... AArrgghhh!!! crap.
My experience with freebie was not that great. They all want to take time and always ask "how long you staying?". Back home it's different, its alway "what do you do?" and "what do you drive/how did you get here?" lol...
And when I did find the freebies, my hotel always refused them! WTF
crap country......
Vietnam, NOT a free country............................................. yet!
it's really too bad. it's a beautful country with some amazing and wonderfull people. some rotten eggs shouldnt change anything. hofefully things will work out for this country. it is ripe with potential. but has no identity and still a mystery for now.
If I remember correctly. If CR is beside the R... Hotel. Then it has a huge lift and 3or 4 levels. One of whch is the Karoake with the girls. The girls are some of the best I'd seen in Vietnam. But it is very much a Asian Loa Ban hangout. Everything on the high end. Including prices. Not really a place you just drop in and check out by yourself.
Just spent Lunar New Year in HCM. Incredibly noisy and busy at certain times in certain areas, esp around the main hotels. Most massage joints closed, however. Did manage to find a couple of places, including the Saigon Hotel, near the Sheraton. A previous post mentioned the Bong Sen Hotel, which is also near the Sheraton, but I think it has recently been renovated, and there was no sign of a sauna. There is a non-hotel place opp the Sheraton, but it looks pretty grubby from the outside. My advice for both here and Hanoi would be to stick to hotel saunas, as the independents seem rather poor.
However, my experience was that the girls here give very good hjs. Perhaps it's because FS is not really allowed in many places. Certainly I only had one standard oily tug; the rest all showed some innovation and care, I'm pleased to say!
AL
Arrived HCM yesterday evening and have not been able to find a bar with take out. Looking for someplace reasonable not to expensive and not a rip off. Any suggestions. BTW, I tried reading the last four pages for HCH and couldn't find good info.
Thanks!
Come out the front door of Carravelle, turn right, and then right again into Hai Ba Trung St and i'd be surprised if you don't get pulled into a bar with pooltables and girls that want to play strip pool, go upstairs for a BJ (if not right there at the table), and go out to a mini hotel (or your hotel if not too late in the evening) for some Boom boom.
Girls there from mid afternoon onwards. Can't remember the name but was dragged in around 4pm during a vist to HCMC this recent January. At that time approx 6 girls there with one particularly attractive name "Sun"
Good luck!
[QUOTE=Ozirob]Come out the front door of Carravelle, turn right, and then right again into Hai Ba Trung St and i'd be surprised if you don't get pulled into a bar with pooltables and girls that want to play strip pool, go upstairs for a BJ (if not right there at the table), and go out to a mini hotel (or your hotel if not too late in the evening) for some Boom boom.
Girls there from mid afternoon onwards. Can't remember the name but was dragged in around 4pm during a vist to HCMC this recent January. At that time approx 6 girls there with one particularly attractive name "Sun"
Good luck![/QUOTE]
add-on to Ozirob: out Caravelle turn right and you'll see the Hyatt(the new High End hotel) Then on to Hai Ba Trung. Within two to three blocks here are the 49,51's and U2 mentioned in the previous post. It's foreign friendly. Also meaning that they will gauge you if they can. Three blocks down and right there is a good wonton noodle stall. Cheap and nice food. 10k VND(.65 cents) for a bowl. There are hotels around here that are girl friendly.
Will be in HCM city next month but really have only one free day(and it will be more like an afternoon) to have fun. Can anyone suggest how to make the best of my one chance.
Thanks
Ok so I have lived in HCMC for 4 months now.
What have I learnt?
Hai Ba Trung and the girly bars.
Ex U2, bar 49, 51 and others
Some very cute girls.
This is the trick. Go in, scan the area quickly, select the girl, talk with her for 5 minutes and GET OUT. Else you will be hounded for drinks, food and chewing gum. I am not kidding when I say hounded, consider this, their sole goal is for you to stay and buy them drinks and divest you of your money.
The women here are the most aggressive I have ever seen. Nothing like philipines or Thailand where they will let you have a drink in peace. I had a friend who was told to have his drink outside the club if he did not plan to talk with a woman.
If you have a good eye, you can zone into a newbie, difficult I must admit, to identify when its dark in the bar. Hahahaha. If you have time in Saigon, tell her to meet you after the bar closes or call you.
Apocalypse
It wasn’t for the music, I would never go there. Too many foreigners, incredibly expensive drinks. The women are pro’s well seasoned and relatively expensive, in the $100 range. But there are many local fish but this takes time, at least 3-4 dates before 1st base. But many many many locals, just smile and move!
Liquid, Volcano, Rainforest and most of the techno VN clubs (8 others)
90% do not speaks English. So hunting is poor, very beautiful fish, non pro available but it takes a while to make progress 3-4 dates. These are regular VN girls looking for rich husbands, foreigners rarely go to these clubs, so u will be an oddity that they will avoid.
Level 21 (Sheraton)
Many seasoned pros, $100 range, live band, very expensive booze, did not like the music or the fish. Not too many locals come here
Royal (casino) + Catwalk
Designed for the Japanese, Koreans and Singaporeans. Very beautiful women but $100+ and up. Like shooting fish in a barrel, so don’t expect a GFE experience, its all business baby!
Saloon 17
Good club, live music is good, very few working girls here but lots of locals, harder to approach because of the club design.
Yang.
Some seasoned working girls, higher class of locals, harder to reach them. More of a yuppy crowd here
TMK road near the bridge
Always available, lots of nice fish. I drive thru this road to go home all the time. $500K. Not too bad and the quality varies from night to night.
Since I live here now, it is easier to hook up with locals. Must admit, the women here can be as much fun as Brasil or Philippines but it takes much more time to get to know them. Many coffee’s and dinners.
So for the short timers, picking is very slim, unless u are unusually lucky. Stick to Hai Ba Trung street and the girly bars. Choose quick and get out, don’t expect GFE status, you will not find any, very business oriented.
Overall for a short timer, Vietnam is not really a good place for mongering like Philippines or Thailand. Too many restrictions and many money hungry people trying to rip you off.
As of the safety, I always travel at night alone, One one major rule. Take your own transport (taxi or moto) and never go where THEY want you to go.
In Vietnam, if you are a foreign mongerer, someone WILL ALWAYS try to rip you off, everyone from the taxi driver to the local side road noodle stall. Ask the price from a local before getting into or buying anything……..
Can anyone verify if the Park Hyatt HCM allows local guests to come to your room?
If you need to sneak them in, how do you do it?
Thank you!
I have been reading the many posts by bros who have visited HCMC. Realised that bros are more interested in price reduction than having good looks and service. Often, i saw the pics posted reflected below average looking gals. Being in HCMC for the past 4 years, i have chosen to pay more to have good looking gals. Isn't it dreadful to bang a gal when you cannot even look at her face? No offense to any bro here.
[QUOTE=Ozirob]Come out the front door of Carravelle, turn right, and then right again into Hai Ba Trung St and i'd be surprised if you don't get pulled into a bar with pooltables and girls that want to play strip pool, go upstairs for a BJ (if not right there at the table), and go out to a mini hotel (or your hotel if not too late in the evening) for some Boom boom.
Girls there from mid afternoon onwards. Can't remember the name but was dragged in around 4pm during a vist to HCMC this recent January. At that time approx 6 girls there with one particularly attractive name "Sun"
Good luck![/QUOTE]Been there a few times and most of the gals there sucks big time. No looks and no service. If anyone can consider the gals there attractive, you have not seen real Vietnamese beauties yet.
[QUOTE=Sing Viet]Been there a few times and most of the gals there sucks big time. No looks and no service. If anyone can consider the gals there attractive, you have not seen real Vietnamese beauties yet.[/QUOTE]Mate you must be a hard judge. I've been to a couple of the bars and meet some really nice looking women and had a great time with them. It may be my personal preference but the bars closer to the Caravele have the better looking ladies compared to those closer to the river. Cannot recall the names of the bars though, 49 rings a bell. Last time I went I took a bird out of one place for short time $40USD (yes probably too much) named Bich. She was a stunner about 20. In the cot she was like a firecracker but the moment I finished that was it, shower and back to the bar.
The next night I went next door and meet another girl, cannot recall her name and took her away too. (This bar had a large number of stunners there is one I would have killed to root but she was with another client, she was DDG!) We went to the same short time hotel and I had one of the best roots of my life but this time rather than kicking me out we stayed for a bit longer then went for round 2. Cost again was $40 after an opeing price of $80ST!!! It wasn't rushed, BBBJ (which seems to be the norm in VN, never got a CBJ in VN), DATY, DFK, but sex covered, I wouldn't risk it even if BB was offered.
The first place I ever went to in HCM was called Tiger Twin, it is more or less behind the Ledgend hotel. I was new to town and just looking for a beer and went into this place, was an eye opener. Went upstairs to play pool with a nice looking girl (she looked almost Jap but was full VN). I didn't have much enough money to take the girl away but had $10USD plus some local on me so blow job was suggested by the boss lady for $10. Went up yet another floor were I got BBBJ CIM along with a bit of return DATY and fingering for $10. She was one horny lady, the boss lady came about halfway through to see what was going on, I bet she thought we were having sex. The girl gave me her number for another time but never did call her back.
One thing that I don't like is that most of these bars the girl choose you and come to sit with you before you get to choose who you really want. I find it a bit hard sometimes getting rid of the first girl before she has ordered a drink and then having a look around for the one I really want. Any tips on that, as will be heading back to HCM in 2 months time.
[QUOTE=Jc373]One thing that I don't like is that most of these bars the girl choose you and come to sit with you before you get to choose who you really want. I find it a bit hard sometimes getting rid of the first girl before she has ordered a drink and then having a look around for the one I really want. Any tips on that, as will be heading back to HCM in 2 months time.[/QUOTE]In all of these bars, massage parlors and hair cut salons, the girls go on rotation. So who's ever turn is next, they have first dip at the next customer walking through the door. You can simply tell the girl that you want another. They really have no say if you should choose someone else. The girl you reject will wait for the next customer. If you visit the place frequently and you keep on choosing the same girl for 3 times. The girl doesn't loose her turn in the rotation.
[QUOTE=Jc373]
One thing that I don't like is that most of these bars the girl choose you and come to sit with you before you get to choose who you really want. I find it a bit hard sometimes getting rid of the first girl before she has ordered a drink and then having a look around for the one I really want. Any tips on that, as will be heading back to HCM in 2 months time.[/QUOTE]
I've worked out that the better looking girls almost never are the first ones to try and get a drink with you. Early on in my trips, i found it difficult, or felt unkind to say no thanks to the girl. Soon learnt, however, to just stay polite and say no thanks in some nice way fairly quickly. No-one takes offence. and you have a good chance getting someone more special. I reckon that the process of seeing how you deal with knocking back a girl is part of how the better girls decide whether to come to you (or not)
[QUOTE=Jc373]Mate you must be a hard judge. I've been to a couple of the bars and meet some really nice looking women and had a great time with them. It may be my personal preference but the bars closer to the Caravele have the better looking ladies compared to those closer to the river. Cannot recall the names of the bars though, 49 rings a bell. Last time I went I took a bird out of one place for short time $40USD (yes probably too much) named Bich. She was a stunner about 20. In the cot she was like a firecracker but the moment I finished that was it, shower and back to the bar.
The next night I went next door and meet another girl, cannot recall her name and took her away too. (This bar had a large number of stunners there is one I would have killed to root but she was with another client, she was DDG!) We went to the same short time hotel and I had one of the best roots of my life but this time rather than kicking me out we stayed for a bit longer then went for round 2. Cost again was $40 after an opeing price of $80ST!!! It wasn't rushed, BBBJ (which seems to be the norm in VN, never got a CBJ in VN), DATY, DFK, but sex covered, I wouldn't risk it even if BB was offered./QUOTE]Those bars did have stunners around 2 years ago when i first visited them. My recent visit saw terrible looking gals. Maybe to a certain extend, i do hold different preference for asian gals as i am an asian myself. I still couldn't forget the first gal i had in that bar. I think its 91. Looks average but a good lover on bed.
[QUOTE=Whisper1]In all of these bars, massage parlors and hair cut salons, the girls go on rotation. So who's ever turn is next, they have first dip at the next customer walking through the door. You can simply tell the girl that you want another. They really have no say if you should choose someone else. The girl you reject will wait for the next customer. If you visit the place frequently and you keep on choosing the same girl for 3 times. The girl doesn't loose her turn in the rotation.[/QUOTE]Thanks mate will try and be more ruthless when there next. Like I said my biggest problem is getting rid of the first girl BEFORE she has made herself too comfortable and organised herself a drink. At least in Thailand the girls don't order themselves a drink without being offered or being asked!!!
Idealy I would like to walk into one of these places and spend half my first beer susing the place out to work out who I want the most. The joys of the fast paced HCMC!!
[QUOTE=Sing Viet]Those bars did have stunners around 2 years ago when i first visited them. My recent visit saw terrible looking gals. Maybe to a certain extend, i do hold different preference for asian gals as i am an asian myself. I still couldn't forget the first gal i had in that bar. I think its 91. Looks average but a good lover on bed.[/QUOTE]As I said in my first post I found the birds in the bars closer to the river to be shockers and closer to the Caravele to be better. Of the 20 or so I saw only maybe 3 or 4 suited what I reckon are stunners. At the Tiger Twin it was probably about 50% good looking and 50% "others"
So where are the true VN stunners in HCM. Also any good places outside those few streets near the Caravele and behind the Ledgend (which appear to cater for the Japanese clientele). What about out in the suburbs where it would be safe for a white fella to go?
Jc373,
When I walk into the bar I look over all the talent before I sit down for a beer. If I find one to my liking, I stay and sit down with her. If not, I just split, check the next bar and follow the same routine. If you just want a quick BBBJ, you can grab a girl and go upstairs without even buying her a drink if you are a "Cheap Charley" like I am. I've paid $20-30 on-premise depending on the girl and the place, but most will not budge on the $50 ST takeout FS.
OAH
hi, can anyone please tell me how massage at vien dong hotel (2nd floor) works? do you pick girl from fishbowl? how much is actual massage? how much is hj? do they give bj? if so, how much? and will they offer hj/bj without you asking? any other info much appreciated, thanks.
i've read 2 reports here about shampoo shops that give BJs as normal service (though maybe not in that order!) in barber shop-type places along the street of Duong Dien Bien Phu. Any more experiences to relate? Costs, quality, age of girls, etc? Greatly appreciated, thanks.
I'm looking for a girl friendly mid range hotel in Ho Chi Minh City.
What are your best experiences?
Thanks
HCMC Hotel
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I'm looking for a girl friendly mid range hotel in Ho Chi Minh City.
What are your best experiences?
[quote=krum lov]hi, can anyone please tell me how massage at vien dong hotel (2nd floor) works? do you pick girl from fishbowl? how much is actual massage? how much is hj? do they give bj? if so, how much? and will they offer hj/bj without you asking? any other info much appreciated, thanks.[/quote]i am no expert, but i have been there as a tourist twice. it is on the second floor (no sign in the lobby, is a sign by the right elevator button). the front desk asks what you want, you say body massage, and they send you to the left to a locker room, usually there are some attendants. you undress, are given towel, and the locker includes a plastic bag in which you can carry your valuables. you then enter room for sauna and/or shower...and maybe there is jacuzzi. this is just men. i usually just take shower. then they take you to waiting room where people are getting foot massage, watching tv, and your are given mild tea and fruits. they then take you back to a room.
the girls give you a massage of varying quality, but the girls are young and cute and very friendly. they let you know early on this is not just a therapeutic massage. after a while, they start playing with mr. c, and a conversation about a tip ensues. i've never discussed anything beyond hj. i offer 100k dong, they offer 300k, and i've always settled for 200k although other posters say they won't go over 150k. i really don't give a shit. (i was at a hotel on dong khoi street, i forget name, 3 stars, and i stuck with 150k and girl would not budge even though without hj tip was much less).
one girl, after hj, started jerking again, kissing, etc., layed on top of me, etc. i didn't understand this, and wondered if she was working for another tip...(i don't speak vn, so i don't know). the girls keep you the full hour-even if they jerk you early...seems to be a policy to avoid suspcion. price for the massage is listed as you walk in...never a rip off or anything weird. fwiw
Thanks Drano, much appreciated. Do you happen to remember cost of massage? Cheers.
Max34,
I'm looking for a girl friendly mid range hotel in Ho Chi Minh City.
I spent a week at a local hotel near Near New World call:
Xuan Nguyen Hotel - 43 Le Anh Xuan Dist #1 family own great people.
The desk guy can make all your arangement for the evening for $1mm dong
Pham888
just a small addition.
normal massage as described by drano cost 100k for 1 hr. you can also get a vip masage for 300k for 2 hrs.
you get your own room. room has private bath tuba and sauna. room is very clean and tastefully decorated. personally, definitely worth the money!
[quote=drano]i am no expert, but i have been there as a tourist twice. it is on the second floor (no sign in the lobby, is a sign by the right elevator button). the front desk asks what you want, you say body massage, and they send you to the left to a locker room, usually there are some attendants. you undress, are given towel, and the locker includes a plastic bag in which you can carry your valuables. you then enter room for sauna and/or shower...and maybe there is jacuzzi. this is just men. i usually just take shower. then they take you to waiting room where people are getting foot massage, watching tv, and your are given mild tea and fruits. they then take you back to a room.
the girls give you a massage of varying quality, but the girls are young and cute and very friendly. they let you know early on this is not just a therapeutic massage. after a while, they start playing with mr. c, and a conversation about a tip ensues. i've never discussed anything beyond hj. i offer 100k dong, they offer 300k, and i've always settled for 200k although other posters say they won't go over 150k. i really don't give a shit. (i was at a hotel on dong khoi street, i forget name, 3 stars, and i stuck with 150k and girl would not budge even though without hj tip was much less).
one girl, after hj, started jerking again, kissing, etc., layed on top of me, etc. i didn't understand this, and wondered if she was working for another tip...(i don't speak vn, so i don't know). the girls keep you the full hour-even if they jerk you early...seems to be a policy to avoid suspcion. price for the massage is listed as you walk in...never a rip off or anything weird. fwiw[/quote]
mike, have you had any experiences at the shampoo shops that give BJs in barber shop-type places along the street of Duong Dien Bien Phu? thnx.
Yes but only once around middle of last year.
Taken to one of the barber shops at night by a trusted motor rider.
Cost was USD20. I think it was a bit high.
Started with a bit of massage and then went to a back room where she bj you.
While BJ, you could finger her as well as play with her boobs.
[QUOTE=Krum Lov]mike, have you had any experiences at the shampoo shops that give BJs in barber shop-type places along the street of Duong Dien Bien Phu? thnx.[/QUOTE]
Quality seems to vary week by week, but some of the bars around Pham Ngu Lao provide bar girls who can be taken out for free. In the Hai Ba Trung Bars the customer isn't charged openly, but the girl will have to pay for five lady drinks herself, before she makes any money - that's 250,000 dong she has to cover.
In bars like Cloudburst (de Tham) or Ba Ba (33) on Do Quang Dao, the girls are available for free. As said, some are better than others, but they're generally friendly, and not too expensive (i usually give 500,000, which they are pleased with, so it would probably be possible to get away with less.
The cheaper girls generally can't speak English - even bargaining has to be done in Vietnamese, but often the better the English, the higher the price, and the surlier the attitude.
I always found 2 of the happiest hunting grounds to be Lost in Saigon and the unbelievably sleazy and ramshackle Kim's bar on Pham Ngu Lao, though both have closed in the recent clampdown. (The local committee is looking to develop fast food on PNL). However rumour has it that some of these type of bars will re-open a little way away, maybe the other side of Tran Hung dao. If so, some of the gen I picked up a couple of years ago should become useful again).
As stated, less English usually means lower price. The best girls, I found were not the dramatic, sexy dancers, who command high prices, and want to simply get their money and go. If you can find them , there used to be "soft-core" girls, especially single mothers, out to turn a weekly trick to help with the house-keeping. Contrary to some reports below, I've found a few of them that are in it for fun as well as for profit - there seems little shame in picking up a guy for a night which you enjoy, and then ask him for a present in the morning. And it still works out cheaper than dating western women. the important thing is to treat them wioth affection and respect, and make an effort to keep them happy in bed. that doesn't take much, as they're used to Vietnamese guys who have tiny dicks, and just roll on and roll off.
Finally - if price is the real consideration, a cheapskate friend of mine used to frequent Le Duan St (not inaptly, down by the zoo). The choice was girls on moto's or girls on bicycles. He always chose the latter on grounds of price - he said they were always happy to get 100,000 VND as the going Vietnamese rate was 50,000. One day he told me that he'd thought better of the practice when one of her regulars told him her boyfriend made her go out to buy heroin for him.
Finally - one of the best practices is to visit a hai Ba Trung area bar, establish contact with one of the nicer girls (yes, they exist) get her number, and encourage her to visit you during non-working hours. That way she'll get to keep all the money, and believe me she will do everything she can to show her gratitude. These girls have mostly never had anything in their lives and will show a lot of appreciation for the most insignificant of gestures.
Good luck - treat them nicely, because they're not all bitches.
[QUOTE=Longanluv]
Good luck - treat them nicely, because they're not all bitches.[/QUOTE]
Agree totally!
[QUOTE=Mike Loan]Yes but only once around middle of last year.
Taken to one of the barber shops at night by a trusted motor rider.
Cost was USD20. I think it was a bit high.
Started with a bit of massage and then went to a back room where she bj you.
While BJ, you could finger her as well as play with her boobs.[/QUOTE]
you are right. you paid too much. possibly due to the little heads nodding. we all make that mistake. or that you could have had FS. probably $5 would have been enough.
Wanderer2005 & LoganLuv- Great post!
Pham888 - please do not post address in the future. Just PM it. This will certainly result in the place not being safe much quicker. There are not enough GF hotels as it is.
I agree with singviet in that most of the girls at the 'traps' do not offer the best selection of Vietnamese girls. This is an over generalization. There are of course gems in this places, but it is always hit and miss.
Too bad about Lost in Saigon, there are so few places opened after 12 as it is. Note drinks here were 30-60k VND but my local gf's paid 20k Vnd. wtf! haha..
IMHO, If you live in HCMC get a non working GF. there are so many fishes in the sea. Moto girls can be dangerous. Most will only go to their designated hotels, not alwasy safe and always dirtier than your own hotel.
I just returned from 2 weeks in Saigon, and 1 week in Tokyo just before that. Great mongering experience, thanks in large part to the good info posted in these forums. Now that I'm back in the USA (and still feeling culture shock), I just wanted to post a few impressions from my foray. These are just my personal opinions on the local culture, so if that's not your interest, just skip this post.
1. Going from Tokyo to Saigon is like going from one planet to another. Despite all the rapid modernization going on in Saigon, it's nowhere near Tokyo in sophistication, choice, variety, etc. in all things -- including ladies! The reality is: Vietnam is still a Developing Nation.
2. The Vietnamese girls (in my opinion) have to be among the most attractive in Asia. After a lot of ogling, my conclusion is that some French or European (German Foreign Legionnaires after WW2?) blood got into their bloodlines a few generations ago, so now many Vietnamese gals have that "Eurasian" look, which combines the best of Western and Asian features. In addition, they're tall and have got Western bodies and long, shapely legs (which you won't see often in the Japanese). Not only that, the young Vietnamese gals are the original "Hardbody" -- not an ounce of fat anywhere.
3. But it seemed like a lot more of the VN gals had a "tough" edge to them, much more so than the Japanese I met. Maybe it's because the VN gals are doing this for a living, because they're poor and have to make ends meet. The Japanese are a rich society, and those gals are doing it mainly to get a little more cash to spend on Gucci shoes, Louis Vuitton handbags, or their next trip to Italy, etc. So it seemed to me that the Japanese gals were a bit more easy-going and less hard beneath the surface. And ultimately easier to "relate" to.
4. The one major obstacle to freeing up the sex-provider industry in VN is the lack of guest-friendly hotels. Imagine what would happen if the hotels were like hotels any place else in the world, so that you could bring a gal back to your room instead of running around trying to find a bare room in some small sleazy hotel someplace! Would that be too much to hope for?
Please excuse these purely personal, subjective thoughts. Looking forward to my next trip already. Happy mongering!
"they're used to Vietnamese guys who have tiny dicks, and just roll on and roll off."
Yeah right. What do you think about me fisting your Caucasian women? They are used to your tiny dick, too. If size does matter all your women must be drooling for big black dicks and ... my fist. Peace.
funny observation. Every decent exchange of useful information always manages to fall to the point of race and penis size??!! Zhezzz...WTF. Of course there are big and small in all the colors of the rainbow. We are here I thought to figure out whre to put it...not whose is bigger?? but hey...who am I to judge.
FW..I do not know Japan, but I also feel the "edginess" here takes some fun out of the game. Your opinions on beauty I share. I am not sure what it is but the 10's are 20's in some cases.
I have lived around this region for a long time, and IMHO Vietnam is not a place to monger for more than a night or two, but with patience and luck you could find your "succubus" heaven here. It comes down to how much drama you can take. But these are just my random thoughts.
Wish I could add some news on the scene, but, besides a few of the Hai Ba Trang bia-oms closing, and the "rehab" program under way around the old "Sahara",nothing much has changed.
It is an adventure.
uh oh! somebody in this forum just stumbled upon a very sensitive subject. It's on now.....let the fun began.
Was just in HCMC last week and learned that Lost In Saigon was closed. Any suggestions on a similar type of place? You know, music and relax while you do some sight seeing. You can meet some nice ladies there to go to a hotel. The regular bars with working girls aren't as nice, I've found. Not all, but many are just hustling along. A place like Lost in Saigon has ladies who go out occasionally to pick up a little spending money. Most of them can be quite nice and affectionate.
So, any suggestions?
[QUOTE=Txmanny]uh oh! somebody in this forum just stumbled upon a very sensitive subject. It's on now.....let the fun began.[/QUOTE]
I totally agree,Pass the popcorn,This might be good to watch......
[QUOTE=Draco]Was just in HCMC last week and learned that Lost In Saigon was closed. Any suggestions on a similar type of place? You know, music and relax while you do some sight seeing. You can meet some nice ladies there to go to a hotel. The regular bars with working girls aren't as nice, I've found. Not all, but many are just hustling along. A place like Lost in Saigon has ladies who go out occasionally to pick up a little spending money. Most of them can be quite nice and affectionate.
So, any suggestions?[/QUOTE]
Dont be deceived, most of the girls at LOS are working girls from other places. Most go there at the end of the nite, when other places are closing. Still was a fun place to hang. Too bad about it closing.
it aint the size that matters. there are other factors. but yes i have a big penis. thanks!
Popped into HCMC for a quick visit last week. Having had success on my last visit, I decided to try waiting again at the bus stop across the street from the Sofitel. This is more or less a hit-and-miss approach which generally takes a lot of patience, but I have gotten a few gems this way.
Interestingly, I was first approached by one of the moto guys who hangs at the corner in front of the Sofitel entrance. He was offering to bring me to a lady house, but I declined. I avoid pimps/middlemen wherever possible.
Waited a bit more and a girl came up to the curb on bicycle... very local wearing the pyjama-type ladies clothes. She gave me the boom-boom sign by slapping her hand on her fist. I nodded and she walked over... close up I realised she had a bit of a paunch. The offer was VND200k ST, but after some hand signaling I confirmed that she had 3 babies... I wasn't in the mood for saggy tits and strech marks, so I sent her off. I did see that she had another friend that she was cycling around who was even less interesting.
Waited for another 15 min... patient, patient. Another girl walked by - looked a bit crazed so I waved her off before she could approach.
Another 20 min passes by and I am ready to give up when an absolutely fine piece of tail walks by... I immediately signal for her to stop and she walks back and sits next to me. Great smile, circa 20yo, very nice slim body with a sweet tight ass. Negotiate for VND300k ST with video, showing her my camera to confirm. Stand up and she grabs my hand for the walk to the TMK mini hotel. My immediate impression was that she was certainly not much of a pro - she was smiling hand in hand all the way to the hotel, prattling away in Vietnamese which I didn't understand.
Get to the room and we settle in - set up my camera and have her do some posing. She is a bit shy and wants the light off - sorry, no can do! Just as I am pulling down my pants, she comes over and immediately starts sucking me off... just what I needed. Her bbbj technique was a real winner. Both of us stripped down and washed off in the shower, then back to the bed. I took the initiative and gave her kisses to her neck and nipples, getting pleasant moans in return. Made my way down to her muff for some DATY - took a few soft strokes of my tongue and she relaxed nicely, spreading her legs fully so I could work more freely. Her pussy had a really sweet taste as the juices began to flow.
Got her working on my nipples and then another bbbj. Very light tongue action on my shaft and balls. She then took the initiative and mounted me, slipping my cock into her love hole - no extra lube necessary. Very enjoyable cowgirl action. Switched position to doggy and slammed away at her tight ass. This is when I really took note that she was enjoying the action... I thought she was watching the TV but she was actually watching me penetrate her in the dressing mirror across from the bed. Grabbed her hair and did some rodeo-style slamming.
Next on the menu was mish and side straddle. She pulled back her legs nicely - the harder I slammed the better she seemed to like it. I was really ready to pop and indicated that I wanted to blow in her mouth... she refused. After some more slamming and some please-please-please looks, she finally rubbed her fingers together to ask for more money. I penned 400k on the wall and she nodded her head.An extra $7 to cum in your mouth? That's an offer I will take any day! I moved into position over her face and unloaded into her wide open mouth... I put my hand next to her mouth, she spit the cum into my hand and I rubbed the jizz onto her tits. From her reaction I could tell it was her first CIM... Superb finish to a superb session.
Got dressed and handed over VND400k. She whinged for some moto money and I indulged her with 20k... it's not so easy to refuse a girl who has just taken a full load of my sperm in her mouth. We parted with a kiss out front and I flagged down a cab for the ride back to the Sheraton. Slept like a baby! AR+
I will happily pay an extra 100,000 for CIM every time too, but, sadly, the low end xia om are not always agreeable to that.): The more expensive girls seem more amenable. Good work AR.
The surest way to ruin a GF friendly hotel is to post it on the internet. Don't do it.
Heard about the availability of High Class Call Gals in HCMC. These gals provides good service and possess good looks. Meant mostly for those who are willing to fork out more than `cheap charlie' for good service and good looks. PM me if you are interested.
Everywhere I went in vietnam, I had women proposing to sell sex, even in front of police headquarters and the People's Supreme Court!
The street girls are usually the bottom of the barrel in looks and class. Most of them are high on all sorts of drugs, with blood-shot eyes, walking around like zombies, talking real fast. They are probably homeless, some are very grimy and smelly. They are so ugly and dirty, why would anyone would pay to fuck them, is beyond reason.
The street girls sometimes lure tourists into dark alleys where thugs beat them up and rob them of whatever they have. These drug addicts would do anything for a few bucks. There were reports of tourists being kidnapped, tortured and made to withdraw cash from ATM's.
Picking up street girls is probably not worth anyone's security, time or money. With some local connections, one can find much better company of local women. At the very least, ask the hotel front desk to recommend a trust-worthy taxi driver. He can supply everything to your heart's desires, and will look out for your safety due to the connection with the hotel.
[QUOTE=Asian Rain]Popped into HCMC for a quick visit last week. Having had success on my last visit, I decided to try waiting again at the bus stop across the street from the Sofitel. This is more or less a hit-and-miss approach which generally takes a lot of patience, but I have gotten a few gems this way.
AR+[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]The street girls sometimes lure tourists into dark alleys where thugs beat them up and rob them of whatever they have. These drug addicts would do anything for a few bucks. There were reports of tourists being kidnapped, tortured and made to withdraw cash from ATM's.
Picking up street girls is probably not worth anyone's security, time or money. With some local connections, one can find much better company of local women.[/QUOTE]I do agree with what Bro One Wing Low has said. I have been in Vietnam for the past 4 years and have heard too many foreigners being robbed. All these happened becuase the foreigners want to save a buck or not. Eventually, they lose more.
This Charlie's Angels Services provide high class gals at a price. Although not cheap, customers has been returning. 99% of gthe clients gives thumbs up for the gals. The gals are carefully selected and follows a strict rule of conduct eg, no stealing, no running off in middle of night although client booked overnight... etc Clients are highly satisfied with the angel's services. Business is booming for Charlie's Angels. But no matter what, escort services are still illegal in communist vietnam and customers need to be discreet at times.
This Charlie's Angels service is not a phone number sharing service. Do not PM me to ask for phone numbers, as i have none to give. If you need a high class lady when you are in HCMC and is willing to pay for good service, then please PM me.
Why don`t you post some pics of the girls here?
[QUOTE=Sixty]Why don`t you post some pics of the girls here?[/QUOTE]I am still in the mist of compiling the photos of all the angels. A fellow friend of mine took some pics of one of the angel, i shall request from you soon. Just to let forumers have a feel of what type of service the angels provide, i shall attach a FL from a fellow forumer from the other forum:
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Hi bros. Was in HCMC last weekend, and bro Singvet hooked me up with one of his Angels (he was in Singapore, but the good bro still make it happen!!!).
He's dead on about everything he says, from the gir (hot!) to the hotels (was very easy and felt total safe).
Pls forgive if this isn't a good report. My first time, and it was so fun want to tell all....
Bro Singvet's wife (he lie, she speak good english met me w/ girl, Trinh, at small hotel in District 1. Trinh is BEAUTIFUL.....definite model-type (she had model pics of her on her cam phone, showed me -- even sent me one via bluetooth). In person, very sexy, shy, quiet, but hot looks/sexy eyes. Hotel basic, felt safe. 350,000 dong for 2 hours. Went up with girl (she speak no english, seems a bit shy/timid at beginning), and was worried language would make it a challenge. Very shy/timid during shower/cleaning (no fun in shower). Arranged with Singvet extra short time (2 hrs, 2 shots). First one was SOP. She was timid, wanted lights low, basic bbbj, little play. Think mainly I couldn't tell her what wanted. But when start bonking, got better. She was v tight, hard for her to take it all. Got going, and she start getting wild. She ride on top, got super wet, start touching herself and low moans. I didn't last long, eh? After that things got better and better. She then loosen up, talk via hand signals, etc. Think she finally get I nice guy. Lots of snuggling, touching, good gf feeling.
About 20 minutes later after lots of sign language/looking at pics, we start again, and this time like new girl! Kick it off by reaching over and rubbing her pussy. She immediately start again with bbbj, w me rubbing/fingering. This time with a lot of passion, lots of hard sucking. Her whole pussy start to get wet and swell up. She moaning loud now and sucking hard (good action in bj....second one was amazing. almost came from it). This time she direct me -- I just do what she wants ....because second time, I last pretty long, and we do missionary, then she on top, rubbing her own clit and moaning quietly. Then doggie style, which I love (and so does she). She buries face in pillow so not to make too much noise. Finally, turn her over, missionary, and pound away. She comes (can feel the muscles contracting like vibrator for good 20 seconds. Feels amazing to me....so good I end up blowing load right after. She grab me and hold me giggling after, then lots of Viet words I don't understand but assume they good. Few minutes cuddling, then a fn cleanup, leave with kiss on cheek. Overall, a great experience, and so glad bro Singvet recommended extra hour/shot, as first one, while good, wasn't even close to second time.
Name: Trinh
Face: 8/10 Beautiful eyes and skin, sexy, shy looking. Light makeup. Love her smile & eyes.
Body: 7/10 Gd figure, small, tight body. Smooth skin. Great ass. Stretch marks on stomach. Tatoo of flowers on one ass cheek (great tight ass).
Boobs: 7.5/10 C-cup (maybe BIG b because she small overall body). Soft and real feeling. Great dark nipples that stand up straight. Want to lick them again.
BBBJ : 7/10 First one standard, not bad. Second, when she started it, was excellent. No rushing, hard pressure, really good.
FJ : 8/10 First one good, basic. Second one she was into it. Moan & hard-working. Ready to have fun.
Frenching: Didn't try. During bonk, lots of kissing though.
Overall : 7.5/10 Definitely worth it. Would do again in a heartbeat.
Damage: US$120/120+mins/2 shot
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Sing Viet
[QUOTE=Sing Viet]I do agree with what Bro One Wing Low has said. I have been in Vietnam for the past 4 years and have heard too many foreigners being robbed. All these happened becuase the foreigners want to save a buck or not. Eventually, they lose more.
This Charlie's Angels Services provide high class gals at a price. Although not cheap, customers has been returning. 99% of gthe clients gives thumbs up for the gals. The gals are carefully selected and follows a strict rule of conduct eg, no stealing, no running off in middle of night although client booked overnight... etc Clients are highly satisfied with the angel's services. Business is booming for Charlie's Angels. But no matter what, escort services are still illegal in communist vietnam and customers need to be discreet at times.
This Charlie's Angels service is not a phone number sharing service. Do not PM me to ask for phone numbers, as i have none to give. If you need a high class lady when you are in HCMC and is willing to pay for good service, then please PM me.[/QUOTE]I am going to Saigon and want to experince something good at least when it comes to body and language.The rest depends on chemistry anyway.Thanks for replying. gemsdoctor
My situation is a little strange. Long story short, will arrive May 12 for a 16 day visit. My lady friend, who I met in Europe, lives in District 3 and I will meet her family.
Mongering is not on my mind (too dangerous, hate smoke, don't drink), but I am open to getting a massage with HJ and/or BJ for sure. Especially since I will not get either from my lady friend. She said she would be willing to go to my hotel for some fun (no intercourse) but the hotels won't allow that.
So is it just the thing that all hotel massage parlors have extra services? A good friend of mine was in Vietnam last year and in both HCMC and Hanoi received massages or $5 to $8, with HJ's an extra $4 to $6 and twice he received a BBBJ and a full reaming for just $10 more.
Nothing like the $50 you guys are talking about. I just wish he could remember the names of the hotels!
Was here since Tuesday and is leaving in the afternoon today.
Stayed at Legend Hotel. Was told it is a very new hotel. Managed by Japanese as such, you can look forward to very a organised and decent hotel, thus, not girl friendly. Well, when you are paying more than USD100/night it better be good right? Any bro here can recommend some good hotel that is in the USD80-100 bracket that is also girl friendly?
Did not manage any mongering activity as schedule were tight and dont have the information to explore. The only highlight of my trip is drinking at Saigon Saigon bar at Caravelle hotel. Nice view from the 9th floor but definately not a place to fish. Patron are mostly foreigners and some locals that you can tell that they not there to be fished either.
One thing I really like about HCMC is the ladies in their traditional costume, Au Zai. IT really shows the upper figure cut of the ladies... Was told that the trend of them wearing is it is not as much as it used to. You can see more of them in HAnoi...
When to this place for local food, Quan An Ngan. Highly recommended. Reasonable and very wide selection.
Will be coming back again to HCMC pretty soon. Any help from the bros here as to where the mongering activities can be found? Bars? Disco? MP? I just dont want to take the risk of picking up from the streets.
Cheers
[QUOTE=Yokoono]My situation is a little strange. Long story short, will arrive May 12 for a 16 day visit. My lady friend, who I met in Europe, lives in District 3 and I will meet her family.
Mongering is not on my mind (too dangerous, hate smoke, don't drink), but I am open to getting a massage with HJ and/or BJ for sure. Especially since I will not get either from my lady friend. She said she would be willing to go to my hotel for some fun (no intercourse) but the hotels won't allow that.
So is it just the thing that all hotel massage parlors have extra services? A good friend of mine was in Vietnam last year and in both HCMC and Hanoi received massages or $5 to $8, with HJ's an extra $4 to $6 and twice he received a BBBJ and a full reaming for just $10 more.
Nothing like the $50 you guys are talking about. I just wish he could remember the names of the hotels![/QUOTE]You could always take you friend to a short time hotel, they don't cost that much, think about $10 from memory. But if she ain't gonna root then maybe no point. Many massage places all over asia offer extra's but maybe not quite that cheap, but also never heard of $50 for extra's. For that you would want FS in a ST hotel!
Another write up from my satisfied client:
Glad to know you had a great time. I had a great time with Trinh too. FR as follows:
Bro SingViet linked me up with Trinh and when I saw her, my hard heart simply melted. Trinh is VERY BEAUTIFUL! She could not speak a word of English, neither cd I speak a word of Vietnamese, so we had to pass with chicken and duck talk.
Very slight build, sexy phoenix eyes coupled with a very demure expression belied the passionate feminine charm just seething beneath the surface. Cd sense her shyness but my sedate manner settled her nerves and pretty soon we were chatting like lovers, she in Viet and I in English but still managing to understand each other.
The time came when we exchanged an unexplainable eye signal. She bent down to lick my nipples and ohhh, can she lick nipples! Cupped her chin in my hands and lowered my lips onto hers. She was timid at first but pretty soon she responded with a fierce passion amidst soft moans after my hands started exploring her erogenous zones. She was so passionate that we forgot abt the BBBJ. Slowly started exporing her body with my lips, with her emitting sensual moans whenever my lips found her erospots.
Finally wandered down to her pussy where I gave her some intense cunnilingus. At first she was hesitant to allow me to do that but a minute of tongue persuasion soon unleashed the animal in her. Pretty soon she was practically grabbing the pillows, the sheets, my hair, anything she cd lay her hands on, so intense were the pleasure spasms coursing thru her body. The sight of such a beautiful face cast in expressions of pleasure was such a turn for me. And yes, she was very wet. My whole chin was practically dripping with her juices. After a good 10 mins of cunnilingus, she arched and came in a wave of shudders, akin to waves crashing against reefs. If she thought, it was over, she was wrong as I proceeded to repeat the whole process all over gain, bringing to a second orgasm, this time after 20 mins of pure pleasure.
Finally capped up and when I gently rubbed my dick against her pussy, she bucked and grabbed my head down to met hers in a fierce tongue lock. Did full penetration and she practically shivered in ecstasy. Did lots of positions, doggy, missionary, reverse missionary, scissors, and each position brought her to a new plateau of pleasure. Her tight pussy also made my pleasure intense and we finally came together in a crescendo. We frenched slowly but fiercely as we warmed down in a lovers' embrace.
Heard later that she confided to Charlie's wife that she slept like a baby the next few nights with the memory of my tongue on her pussy
Ratings-
Name: Trinh
Face: 9/10. The prettiest FL I had met! Very alluring eyes and expression.
Body: 8/10. Lithe contours. Boyish yet all woman.
Boobs: 8/10 C-cup. Handful and firm. Nice erect nipples when properly stimulated.
BBBJ : NA. We forgot about it!
FJ : 8/10. Like bonking a poly gal.
Frenching: Lots!
Overall : 8.5/10
RTF: Fuck, yes!!!
Damage: Have no idea. Handed Charlie a wad of money in a daze when I set eyes on Trinh. He gave me some change which I was too dazed to count
[QUOTE=Sing Viet]Another write up from my satisfied client:[/QUOTE]
SV, More power to you if you want to flog your high-class prostitute service on the board, but the proper thread to use is the Vietnam Classifed Ads.
From the FRs I would gather that you are charging $120 ST for a girl who has had a baby and has tattoos? High class, indeed.
Perhaps you can share some pics (discreet, if you are worried about LE or exposure) of your stable of girls. I assume you have more talent that Trinh.
Again, please help to keep advertising out of the information threads, AR+
Please stop pimping in this forum. The Vietkieu and foreigners have done a lot of damage to the market and left the locals with miss 5 (fingers) for so long. I am Vietkieu but never pay high fee for Viet hores, no matter how beautiful they are. If I need beautiful girls I can go to China where beauty/cost ratio is very high.
Um, please don't pay too much attention to that sudden outburst. Pimp away. What harm is done by this guy hyping this service? It's information. If you don't want to use it, ignore it. I mean, we have an endless number of posts here about which hotel to stay at, I don't see anybody complaining about that. And I actually don't see a pressing need for LESS information about how to hook up with girls in VN... actually more the opposite. If you're not thrilled that prices are high, well, I think you have to accept the reality that the service does exist, and those are the prices being asked for, and if you don't like that, then don't use it. It's your money. If prices are going up across the board (debatable), well, somehow I don't think refusing to discuss it (here) is going to change that fact.
Just my 2 cents, but I never go into any thread called Classified Ads, didn't even konw it existed... so if it was up to me, I'd say people should post in whatever thread they think a certain topic is relevant to, or where people viewing there might be interested in seeing it. I'm here, and am interested in at least reading about this service, and if it had been stuck in Classifieds I never would have seen it... so I don't see any harm. I don't see any practical good reason to be disallowing certain kinds of posts in certain areas if they are in some way relevant to the thread's subject, which this certainly is. The only thing I do find tedious here that would tempt me to endorse such a rule in one case is all the posts about GF hotels, wishing those had a place of their own since they're SO different a subject than what we refer to as 'nightlife'. I don't need a hotel, so it's completely uinteresting to me. But any post discussing girls IS of interest to me. So I actually would be disappointed if this guy's posts about this service weren't allowed here.
I totally agree with Wendella. The more info, the better. We have all kinds of readers on this forum, and not everyone is looking for the same thing. I for one visit Vietnam on business, and I don't have time to walk around the entrance to the zoo hoping to be picked up by some lady on a motorbike, or visit multiple bars on Hai Ba Trung hoping to find an attractive, intelligent gal who knows what GFE means. If there are other services/options available, I sure want to find out about it -- and it's better to find out about it here, within the context of the broader (and enlightening) discussions about Vietnam that we've had. As the Moderator says, if you don't like the posts from any particular person, you can always filter him out and never see him again!
[QUOTE=Wendella]Um, please don't pay too much attention to that sudden outburst. Pimp away. What harm is done by this guy hyping this service? It's information. If you don't want to use it, ignore it. I mean, we have an endless number of posts here about which hotel to stay at, I don't see anybody complaining about that. And I actually don't see a pressing need for LESS information about how to hook up with girls in VN... actually more the opposite. If you're not thrilled that prices are high, well, I think you have to accept the reality that the service does exist, and those are the prices being asked for, and if you don't like that, then don't use it. It's your money. If prices are going up across the board (debatable), well, somehow I don't think refusing to discuss it (here) is going to change that fact.
Just my 2 cents, but I never go into any thread called Classified Ads, didn't even konw it existed... so if it was up to me, I'd say people should post in whatever thread they think a certain topic is relevant to, or where people viewing there might be interested in seeing it. I'm here, and am interested in at least reading about this service, and if it had been stuck in Classifieds I never would have seen it... so I don't see any harm. I don't see any practical good reason to be disallowing certain kinds of posts in certain areas if they are in some way relevant to the thread's subject, which this certainly is. The only thing I do find tedious here that would tempt me to endorse such a rule in one case is all the posts about GF hotels, wishing those had a place of their own since they're SO different a subject than what we refer to as 'nightlife'. I don't need a hotel, so it's completely uinteresting to me. But any post discussing girls IS of interest to me. So I actually would be disappointed if this guy's posts about this service weren't allowed here.[/QUOTE]
My curiosity has been piqued by a conversation I had with a Filipina stripper (in the US) about Vietnamese women. My SO (in HCMC) is Vietnamese. I mentioned this to the stripper, and she asked, "Does she like to have her pussy eaten a lot? Is she a screamer?" The answer was "yes." She said, "Typical Vietnamese," and said this was based on her informal survey. The filipina claimed that she and most of her friends had different tastes (Catholic influence??) ...Is this true about the Vietnamese women? Why would this be? I thought they were a bit conservative (except my SO of course). Thoughts?
Thanks
[QUOTE=Drano] "Does she like to have her pussy eaten a lot? Is she a screamer?" The answer was "yes." She said, "Typical Vietnamese,"
Yes, in my experience true on both counts. Any yes, conservative, but love a good fucking if done discreetly.
My Vietnamese girlfriend is far too embarresed to let me go down on her. She will go down on me, no problem. But she won't let me go down to her "secret place" until I am her husband. One time she was kind of drunk and she let me and had a HUGE orgasm but that scared the hell out of her and she has not let me do that since.
[QUOTE=Drano]My curiosity has been piqued by a conversation I had with a Filipina stripper (in the US) about Vietnamese women. My SO (in HCMC) is Vietnamese. I mentioned this to the stripper, and she asked, "Does she like to have her pussy eaten a lot? Is she a screamer?" The answer was "yes." She said, "Typical Vietnamese," and said this was based on her informal survey. The filipina claimed that she and most of her friends had different tastes (Catholic influence??) ...Is this true about the Vietnamese women? Why would this be? I thought they were a bit conservative (except my SO of course). Thoughts?
Thanks[/QUOTE]
My experience is that Viet chicks tend to be quite wild. Most of them like most positions and activities except anal. Although I have met one who liked that as well.
Just my experience with Viet girls.
Lex
Majority of Vietnamese guys only go down on their gf's or wives. It is a taboo to them to go down on ho's or amateurs because they consider these girls dirty.
The younger the girls are the less willingful they let you eat their pussies. The older and married (like 23 or higher) ones LOVE it. I once met one 30 y/o lady whose husband died of cancer when she was 25. She is not a ho, mind you. She took a bath already and when I went down on her she was so shock and excused herself to go to the bathroom again to make sure "IT" was really clean :) Her ex BF's rarely did that to her. The Viet men, I'd say, are rather lazy in this type of love making even to their gf's or wives.. I also met a massage girl in PhanThiet who was married 3 years ago. To turn her on I talked very dirty while she was jerking me off after a very good massage, such as "have you ever got your pussy eaten by anyone?" She shook her head "no" (in remote area such as PhanThiet eating pussy is not a common practice in men, in general) and was turned on so much by that kind of talking that she let me push her down on the massage table and I just ate her away. It was 9 in the morning and nobody was around the place but I got to put a pillow on her mouth to mute her screaming when she came so hard. After that she said my wife was so lucky to have a husband like me :) I found it really funny with such comment because in the West making a woman come is not a big deal and is our ... duty or I should say responsibility ha ha.... :D
my Balinese wife had never had her pussy eaten until I came along. She loved it from the first minute I did it.
So tell me Yokoono, who wears the pants in YOUR relationship? Ha Ha Ha.
[QUOTE=Yokoono]My Vietnamese girlfriend is far too embarresed to let me go down on her. She will go down on me, no problem. But she won't let me go down to her "secret place" until I am her husband. One time she was kind of drunk and she let me and had a HUGE orgasm but that scared the hell out of her and she has not let me do that since.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=1Ball]my Balinese wife had never had her pussy eaten until I came along. She loved it from the first minute I did it.
So tell me Yokoono, who wears the pants in YOUR relationship? Ha Ha Ha.[/QUOTE]Man, it ain't easy. We are seperated by thousands of miles and see each other every few months. Like many Viet girls, she will let it happen when she is married. But until then she is "trying" to be a good girl.
[QUOTE=Yokoono]Man, it ain't easy. We are seperated by thousands of miles and see each other every few months. Like many Viet girls, she will let it happen when she is married. But until then she is "trying" to be a good girl.[/QUOTE]Unless you are talking about working gals, majority of normal vietnamese ladies do not like their pussies to be licked. There's even a distinction between what a working lady can do and what a wife can do :P
Since weeks you are promising photos of your gals, what is up with you? You are still compiling? Don't tell me! There is another reason, isn't it? If your gals are such beautiful as mentioned in many posts here so you should be able to show them to us, isn't it?
Hi guys,
I am a Vietkieu will be in HCMCT next week. Anybody know any "Tho Dia" at local that I can contact to work as guide. Please let me know.
Thanks
[QUOTE=Vietgirllover]Since weeks you are promising photos of your gals, what is up with you? You are still compiling? Don't tell me! There is another reason, isn't it? If your gals are such beautiful as mentioned in many posts here so you should be able to show them to us, isn't it?[/QUOTE]I do not operate in the way you expected. Why should I show you my gals' pictures? I only show it to my customers who are sincere. So don't come telling me what you want, I do not care.
[QUOTE=Vietgirllover]Since weeks you are promising photos of your gals, what is up with you? You are still compiling? Don't tell me! There is another reason, isn't it? If your gals are such beautiful as mentioned in many posts here so you should be able to show them to us, isn't it?[/QUOTE]I just checked the thread and this guy SingViet seems to be pushing one girl Trinh in poorly disguised versions of the same report. Credibility with me is zero.
[QUOTE=Sing Viet]Unless you are talking about working gals, majority of normal vietnamese ladies do not like their pussies to be licked. There's even a distinction between what a working lady can do and what a wife can do :P[/QUOTE]If she doesn't let me lick her snatch when we are married (if that happens) then I'll divorce her because I absolutely NEED to lick snatch. :D
Anyone in town during Early June? Would love to hang out and check out a few spots.
Does anybody know of good massage/HJ saunas? Last time I went to a good one tip was 100.000 VND for 2 hours of sauna/massage time, but don't remember where.
Ky Dong massage parlor is by far the best bang for your buck! It's located on Ky Dong street in district 3 I think. Anyhow, only tip 100,000 dong for a HJ and 200,000 dong for a BJ (if you are able to pursuade her for a BJ). Don't get con by these girls into giving more or else you'll be wasting money and ruin the price for those to follow. I have seen some tipping as much as 300,000 for a HJ here. That's an idiotic price to pay for a HJ in Saigon IMHO.
I'm withdrawing my earlier "endorsement" of the massage place at the Vien Dong Hotel. To make a long story short, they seem to be overbooked, and offered me a "free" hairwash (typical vn facial massage while I waited). It lasted about 30 minutes and was the same as any facial massage in a hair salon in HCMC. I tipped the girl 50k VND, which is a bit high of a tip for this service (but it was free), and she asked for 200k (possibly 100k--I don't understand VN that well) and acted mortally wounded...etc. Anyway, I didn't even want a facial massage when I came, now they are trying to make me feel bad for the tip. I just left w/o massage. I was completely out of the mood.
Vietnam is the only place I've been where, unless you have a deal ahead of time, the girls seem to be trained to raise a stink no matter what you give them. There is only one thing that girl should have said to me, and that is "Thank you."
Will be in Saigon early June. Staying in Park Hyatt Hotel, any action nearby? Any nice bars where could have couple of drinks with ladies mongering around? Of course not those sleazy bars.
Thanks to advise
[QUOTE=James Wong]Will be in Saigon early June. Staying in Park Hyatt Hotel, any action nearby? Any nice bars where could have couple of drinks with ladies mongering around? Of course not those sleazy bars.
Thanks to advise[/QUOTE]When you fall out of the Park Hyatt to Hai Ba Trung there are a dozen or so bars of varying degrees of sleaziness on that street.
Forget Acopolypse!
If you want flashier pickings try the bar on top of the Caravelle.
Would not be surprised if there were not some high grade pickings in the bars of the Hyatt and the Sheraton but I have not tried.
Be aware that next week there is an APEC meeting in town with lots of VIP's around so you need to be circumspect.
Last week the girls in these bars all seemed to want US$60 minimum and it was hard work to get them down to $50. I recall a year or so ago $20 was no problem and $40 got you a stunner for long time.
Now when I offer $20 all they do is laugh.
What happened?
Because people from other countries have come and spoiled the market. These girls have to pay bar owner for their short time absence, too (bar fine, sound familiar?) Gas price increases 25%, so does fucking.
I always avoid these pro's in the bars on HaiBaTrung or similar. Their holes are probably dilated to the size of a golf/tennis ball due to too much pumping action with the big boys from foreign countries. :)
Not sure whether Park Hyatt is girl friendly. Not feeling safe doing ST at the hotels recommended by the girls.
I wonder what's the damage for overnight?
[QUOTE=Silly Puppy]Because people from other countries have come and spoiled the market. These girls have to pay bar owner for their short time absence, too (bar fine, sound familiar?) Gas price increases 25%, so does fucking.
I always avoid these pro's in the bars on HaiBaTrung or similar. Their holes are probably dilated to the size of a golf/tennis ball due to too much pumping action with the big boys from foreign countries. :)[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=James Wong]Not sure whether Park Hyatt is girl friendly. Not feeling safe doing ST at the hotels recommended by the girls.
I wonder what's the damage for overnight?[/QUOTE]I was told by locals that after 10.00 pm Riverside is checking girl into another room and charging for it - they used to just say no. Park Hyatt might do same.
Otherwise you have to resort to subterfuge - get them to dress like business lady or delivering tailored clothes etc. I have taken girls to lunch at first floor restaurant at Riverside and then slipped off to elevator.
The small hotels on Mac Thi Boui are not bad and are generally GF freindly. I actually stay there rather than big hotels. Rates are US$20 to maybe $35 for a 'suite'.
[QUOTE=Drano]I'm withdrawing my earlier "endorsement" of the massage place at the Vien Dong Hotel. To make a long story short, they seem to be overbooked, and offered me a "free" hairwash (typical vn facial massage while I waited). It lasted about 30 minutes and was the same as any facial massage in a hair salon in HCMC. I tipped the girl 50k VND, which is a bit high of a tip for this service (but it was free), and she asked for 200k (possibly 100k--I don't understand VN that well) and acted mortally wounded...etc. Anyway, I didn't even want a facial massage when I came, now they are trying to make me feel bad for the tip. I just left w/o massage. I was completely out of the mood.
Vietnam is the only place I've been where, unless you have a deal ahead of time, the girls seem to be trained to raise a stink no matter what you give them. There is only one thing that girl should have said to me, and that is "Thank you."[/QUOTE]
I know what you mean. I offered 150,000 dong for a HJ to the girl who was giving me a massage at Vien Dong Hotel. She should have said "thankyou" for the opportunity to make in a few minutes what is double or triple the money that most people earn for working all day in Saigon. Instead she complained that it was "so little". In Vietnam the focus is on getting as much money from the customer as possible. It isn't on pleasing the customer or making sure that you get your money's worth. I lived in Korea for a while. You deal with set prices there and the girls there will make an actual effort to please you and make sure you have a good time. In contrast, in Vietnam once you have handed over the money that is all they care about. They will most likely give you rushed, mechanical service. The minimum amount of service they can give you for the maximum price they can get you to pay. Every effort will often be made to squeeze a few extra dollars out of you. Customer service is not important to them. I was charged 50,000 for a package of 3 condoms at a hotel. The hotel owner claimed that was the price on the street. The next day I saw the same package in a store for half that price. They will complain that the price is too low in an effort to manipulate you. When you decide to leave a lady bar there is a good chance that they will complain that the money you offer them is too little although you are paying the price they quoted you when you entered the bar. And the quality and selection of ladies is not always the greatest. I remember that one night a motorbike driver drove me up and down the road near the zoo and bridge several times. He said that he could help find me a girl. This was at about 10:30 at night. He could only find one, but she was an older lady who didn't appeal to me. Then he offered to go with me to a hotel himself. He tried to grap me between the legs to demonstrate what he meant. I remember in 2000 when I first visited Vietnam the streets were filled with stunning young women for low prices at night. Now it seems that there is a lot less women and they are of lower quality for higher prices. I think that Thailand has been so successful because they have figured out what a western man's fantasy is and how to fulfill it. Vietnam is a long a way from that. I would advise people looking for sex to avoid Vietnam. If you do come here be very careful. I've heard horror stories about people being robbed by hookers and stories about the police demanding huge bribes from foreigners who were caught with hookers. And always pay the girl after the service. This will give her a better incentive to give you your money's worth and keep her end of the bargain (a simple concept that many Vietnamese people have trouble grasping). Of course, there are always exceptions but why not spend your money in another country where the risk of having unpleasant experiences is much less?
Any info on Huong Sen Hotel or its massage place. It is on corner of MacThi Boui where all hotels are girls friendly. Not mentioned in forum.
My first time going! Any good "hong kong style" sauna/massages? Looking for a good place to relax in a sauna before getting a massage with HJ or BJ.
Thanks for info in advance.
Does anyone know anything about how things work in these Japanese bars? There used to be a lot of bars with girls downtown in the Hai Ba Trung area and in that general neighborhood. The number has shrunk to something like half in the last 2 or 3 years. Meanwhile. Japanese bars sporting girls standing out in front wearing ao dais have mushroomed up all over the place -- in that area and elsewhere. The prices, as you'd expect, are much higher.
Now I'm actually not interested in finding out exactly what the prices are, since that's easy enough jsut walking in teh door of any of them. What I'm curious to know is if anybody knows how it works with girls there. Like, can anything happen there? Can you take them home? What's it like? What normally happens there?
The bar scene for westerners is pretty much dead. No new girls ever turn up in those places. They must all be going to the Japanese bars now.
[QUOTE=Wendella]Does anyone know anything about how things work in these Japanese bars? There used to be a lot of bars with girls downtown in the Hai Ba Trung area and in that general neighborhood. The number has shrunk to something like half in the last 2 or 3 years. Meanwhile. Japanese bars sporting girls standing out in front wearing ao dais have mushroomed up all over the place -- in that area and elsewhere. The prices, as you'd expect, are much higher.
Now I'm actually not interested in finding out exactly what the prices are, since that's easy enough jsut walking in teh door of any of them. What I'm curious to know is if anybody knows how it works with girls there. Like, can anything happen there? Can you take them home? What's it like? What normally happens there?
The bar scene for westerners is pretty much dead. No new girls ever turn up in those places. They must all be going to the Japanese bars now.[/QUOTE]
Will be in HCM next week. Also interested in these 'japanese' bars.
Went to the Mimosa Club my last trip to Sai Gon and had a great HJ, massage $7USD and $10 tip for best HJ I had in Vietnam. She offered more but I was already too far gone to reply. Hope to go back my next trip. Also had HJ's in Nha Trang's Yasaka hotel where the lil wench tried to ring a $20 tip out of me but I would have none of it. Also the lil girls at the Saigon Tourane Hotel in DaNang are kind of mechanical. Have the xe om drivers take you to one of their places. They know the best spots and very reasonable too. Looking forward to trying one of the BJ spots mentioned and I did try a moto girl outside the Equitorial Hotel in Sai Gon and she took me to a st hotel. $10 and for her full service $30. Not bad but her friend that took me home was hotter and wished I'd done her instead. Next time for sure.
[QUOTE=Dragonfly22]Went to the Mimosa Club my last trip to Sai Gon and had a great HJ, massage $7USD and $10 tip for best HJ I had in Vietnam. She offered more but I was already too far gone to reply. Hope to go back my next trip. Also had HJ's in Nha Trang's Yasaka hotel where the lil wench tried to ring a $20 tip out of me but I would have none of it. Also the lil girls at the Saigon Tourane Hotel in DaNang are kind of mechanical. Have the xe om drivers take you to one of their places. They know the best spots and very reasonable too. Looking forward to trying one of the BJ spots mentioned and I did try a moto girl outside the Equitorial Hotel in Sai Gon and she took me to a st hotel. $10 and for her full service $30. Not bad but her friend that took me home was hotter and wished I'd done her instead. Next time for sure.[/QUOTE]
Where is this Mimosa Club?
[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Where is this Mimosa Club?[/QUOTE]Mimosa club is attached to the Rex Hotel but it also has a separate entrance one block behind. Suana, jacuzzi, and massage for $7UD...have to watch the girls are agressive and want big tip for service and keep your bargaining power. Even with a woody tell her no and keep the price down. I met my girl after and went for dinner, she was so beautiful and buildt nice too. Sweetest ass as I had seen in Vietnam. Alas I was leaving the next day but will pursue that avenue again.
I decided to hit the bars last night after not having much luck meeting non-working girls locally. In fact, even though I am married and not the most faithful guy in the world, I try to limit my extra activities and keep my head about me (pun intended). Ahhhh marriage....did you ever get the feeling you're stuck in the horse latitudes?
I live in District 1, so I walk past all these girlie bars all the time and get to see the goods from outside the bars regularly. God but Vietnamese women are sexy when they try to be. But, I thought it might be best to get a little further away from the house because I also walk these streets with my wife and it probably wouldn't impress her if a few of the girls called to me by name.
I walked down Dong Khoi towards the river on the west side and thought I should try to hire a reasonably normal honda om, someone who I could identify with. I met a chap sitting there on his Honda Wave Alpha and he looked ok. We started a conversation, typical one including where I was while here during the war and where he was and that stuff. He was very low pressure and a decent guy in early sixties. I told him I was married but lonely that night and I wanted to find some action but not in one of those expensive places close to the city center. Of course he agreed, and I hired him to be with me for the night for 50,000 Dong. That's probably close to a full day's wages for the guy so he readily agreed to drive me around and to stay outside the bar until I found what I was looking for, then would drive me back to where I wanted to go.
I thought we would be heading over to Pham Ngu Lao or somewhere, so imagine my surprise when the guy drives all the way through Ben Thanh Market and turns right to the one-way street heading back towards my house, Ly Tu Trong street. He pulled into a bar that I have walked past several times, right there on Thi Sach between Ly Tu Trong and Le Thanh Ton streets, so I figured, well maybe this guy knows what he's talking about. Turns out the only cheap thing in the bar was the beer, 30,000 VND for a Heinie. I settled into a chair with a not very lovely but big and aggressive woman and bought her a 50,000 VND drink. One small glass with about one-half gulp of Baileys and one ice cube. I felt her up a little and chatted, asked her for the price of ST and LT. She said $50 USD for ST plus $20 for short-time hotel. Thanks to reading the previous posts here, I told her no freaking way and said I could only go $20 for ST and wanted to go to my house, not to a hotel. She said no, must be in a hotel and only street girls ask for $20. Well, upsy-daisy with the beer and out the door.
Next stop was in the area I thought we would originally be heading towards. I don't remember the name but a tiny little dive with one pool table and a few 2s and 3s and one 5 just off of Tran Hung Dao street. I grabbed the fiver and took a chair in the very back corner and bought a 25,000 VND Heinie and bought her a 50,000 VND coke. The waiter brought over wet towles and a dish with some peanuts, but I told her I wasn't paying for anything else but drinks, so no go on that. Negotiations ensued. She was not that lovely and in her late twenties but God she had a sexy way about her. I just knew she was going to fuck my toes off. Same asking price and she said she would go to my house, and I got her down to 600,000 VND. Sorry guys, maybe I'm not good enuf at negotiating but where in the hell do you find cheap girls these days that don't work the streets? Also had to buy her one more drink for her release from the club (or so she said) so the bill there.....125,000 VND.
Outside we went and I jumped on my driver's bike and she grabbed another honda and we zipped across town towards the house. I have neighbors who keep an eye on things so we had to kind of sneak in the back away as was still early, not quite 11 PM.
Inside, I got her a cold drink and we sat on the sofa making out with her rubbing my dick through my jeans and we got started walking upstairs to the bedroom. Jumped in the shower together and she scrubbed my dick and balls and massaged my asshole while I played with her smallish tits.
Back to the bed and jumped in. She was a reasonably good fuck and i massaged her clit and finger fucked her twat until she came hard and then my turn. She sucked and licked Mr Woody and kissed and played with my balls and we're talking blue steel here. So, on with the raincoat and we fucked in several positions. The best was doggy as she got her ass high in the air and i fingered her tight little asshole while drilling her pussy. Wow, she was really hot now. She told me she wanted me to cum in her mouth, so after about thirty minutes (gotta get your money's worth) I got her on her back and moved up so she sucked on the end of my dick while i jacked a load in. Wow. Haven't done that one for way too long. I'm getting a stirring down below just thinking about it.
After everything, she gave me her cell phone number and told me to call her anytime of the day or night, and she would be there in 15 minutes and I could just pay what I wanted, even just 200,000 VND.
I think I might try her again, she was a lot of fun and had a pretty enuf face. Just got to talk her into doing anal for me, I love exploring that darkness with my dick.
Moral: Treat them nice and be a little generous. It doesn't hurt and maybe you'll get rewarded next time.
I will be heading to Vietnam in Sept. of this year. Is anyone going to be there then? Viet kieu amigos would be much appreciated. Always have a great time in country and looking forward to 2 more weeks. Will hit HCMC, Nha Trang, DaNang and maybe more.
[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Any info on Huong Sen Hotel or its massage place. It is on corner of MacThi Boui where all hotels are girls friendly. Not mentioned in forum.[/QUOTE]
Answer my own question. This place offers massage for VND100,000 but they point you to a locker and get you to put on old board shorts and a robe. Can't see the point in hanging around in these places since its obvious they want no action. Club Mimosa is the same.
There is a bar on the same side of the street as U2 on Mac Thi Buoi but closer to Dong Khoi that I stopped by. One or two nice looking girls. Said they have a room upstair, but I wasn't completely trusting of them. What is the story with these rooms? Said they could only use it during the day, but no charge. Said they were worried about police at night. Thanks.
Sudzie,
I haven't been to a MP in a hotel or outside that doesn't at least offer HJ and everyone that I've been to you can touch anything, some have a "no entry" standard but that's ok, everything else is fair game. Looking forward to my next trip and expanding my search for ripe fruit.
[QUOTE=Drano]There is a bar on the same side of the street as U2 on Mac Thi Buoi but closer to Dong Khoi that I stopped by. One or two nice looking girls. Said they have a room upstair, but I wasn't completely trusting of them. What is the story with these rooms? Said they could only use it during the day, but no charge. Said they were worried about police at night. Thanks.[/QUOTE]
The upstairs room in this bar used to be very very basic but they did up the ground floor recently so maybe they cleaned up upstairs as well. you can always take a look and walk out if you don't like it.
The small hotels near this bar (Thang Long, Linh and Kim Long) are all
GF and charge US$20-25 for an overnight room. I prefer these places to the quickie hotels because I choose and not the girl. Bach Dang gets a bit edgy and I don't know about Dong Do.
[QUOTE=Dragonfly22]Sudzie,
I haven't been to a MP in a hotel or outside that doesn't at least offer HJ and everyone that I've been to you can touch anything, some have a "no entry" standard but that's ok, everything else is fair game. Looking forward to my next trip and expanding my search for ripe fruit.[/QUOTE]
Yes - But I just don't like the shorts and gown thing.
Got here tonight and decided to walk out of my hotel to check out the scene in the bar area on Ha Bai that I have read about here. There seems to be about a one or two block area with quite a few bars, and also some others in the neighboring streets...
So I went into #49 (why? I don't know - they had cute miniskirts). Within 3 minutes I had a girl, a beer, she had two drinks, and I had negotiated a BJ in the pool room in back. Ten minutes later she drained me and I settled the bill once a respectable time had passed. The bill was inaccurate (but not by much - 25,000). SO you need to watch that. And the BJ was good but a little rushed (was explained to me that we had to hurry because another customer would come into the room).
Given advice I had gathered here, I only carried as much as I was willing to part with, and so the negotiation was simple - I showed her much less I had than she was asking and she agreed it would cover everything - the drinks and her tip. No further haggling necessary. And I also insisted on paying after the deed - been there too many times with lackluster performance when prepaying.
Walking back to my hotel (which is just 2 to 3 blocks from there) I was propositioned by at least 5 moto bike girls. Some quite gorgeous. There is plenty of action to be had around here.
Stew2
Stew,
What hotel you staying in? Is it GF? Was your bj the cim variety? What was your total bill USD? Thanks for the report, also monger dudes, what do you do if the girl doesn't speak any english and you want the bbbj? Use sign language ie the hand to mouth routine or just start pushing her head down?
[QUOTE=Dragonfly22]Stew,
What hotel you staying in? Is it GF? Was your bj the cim variety? What was your total bill USD? Thanks for the report, also monger dudes, what do you do if the girl doesn't speak any english and you want the bbbj? Use sign language ie the hand to mouth routine or just start pushing her head down?[/QUOTE]
Lots o questions, DF22! I'm in the Spring (about 2 blocks from the Park Hyatt) and a decent deal at $35. I am betting the official policy here is no guests, but when I got here last night pretty late the night guys at the desk and door offered to have a massage girl come to my room and made it clear that more than just a massage would be possible. So when they come on duty later tonight, I plan to ask about other kinds of guests. Saw a real hottie FL outside the Caravelle this pm I'd love to bring back here!
The BJ was CIM, and the girls all seem to know enough English, so don't worry. Once I was sitting at the bar and she was in my lap showing me her tits, I asked her what she would like to do for me, and she immdiately responded that she would like to suck my cock and let me CIM - so I rather doubt there will be any communication problem with these girls! By the end, including drinks (she had 3 and me one) I paid about 30 USD. Probably more than I needed to, but I suck as a negotiator in these circumstances, especially when somewhat new to a place!
By the way Sudosz - Was in the Mimosa CLub getting a massage from a cute girl (Hanh, I think), and as you said, Mimosa indeed did have the pants, but once I got in the room, I asked the girl if I needed to keep them on - and she said "your choice". That made it clear between us that more was possible. But in the end, it didn't work out - I thought the code for BJ was "yum yum" but found out that either I was wrong or that is not universal here. Once I realized that she meant HJ, not BJ, I lost interest. She was firm about that not happening there. Or so she said. And you were certainly right about the agressive tip tactics - she wanted more for a HJ than we pay in the US! I said forget it and saved my strength for later.
I have been going back and forth to Saigon since 95. Seems like a lot of changes. The girls are definitely better with hygiene and choice of undergarments. Love them things. Anyways, I notice that their are different level of monging here.
There are those guys that just want to get a decent girl for the lowest prices. And they go to places I tend to avoid. Like the bar scenes on Hai Ba Trung. I call those Venus Man Traps.
There are guys who is willing to go to clubs and get better looking girls. I prefer this route. They tend to cost more but in the end worth the price. You are less likely to get bad service. These girls that work here tend to be more westernize so I think are more skill in bed. The Venus Man Trap girls are usually country girls who are more mechanic. Just my take.
I envy all you lucky bastards who are enjoying it over there. Why did I ever get married. Damn. I long for the day I can go back to Saigon.
Oh. I have a report to make, but its was in Vung Tau so I will post it in there.
Don't know the Spring Hotel and it does not rate on my map. Most of the smaller and cheaper hotels are GF. At $35 you are probably on the margin. Last year I paid $35 for a suite at the Bach Dang and they got very edgy about the girls.
The hotels do not make the policy - it is all about the people's committee and keeping up appearances.
[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Don't know the Spring Hotel and it does not rate on my map. Most of the smaller and cheaper hotels are GF. At $35 you are probably on the margin. Last year I paid $35 for a suite at the Bach Dang and they got very edgy about the girls.
The hotels do not make the policy - it is all about the people's committee and keeping up appearances.[/QUOTE]
Actually the Spring Hotel is a very nice place located on Le Than Ton less than a block from Ha Bai - not 5 stars for sure, but pleasant, quiet and good service for a very reasonable price. They have free wireless (it even worked today, though not yesterday - they were reparing it), and one of the better breakfasts I have had in Vietnam (though I realize that is a matter of taste!). They are also quite helpful in arranging things (like air tickets which they purchased for me and just added to my bill). I prefer the smaller hotels with friendly service that cost a but less than the larger more impersonal classier hotels to save my money for mongering and other sports.
And actually, I found out last night that this hotel is GF. Or should I say partly - I don't know about the daytime staff, but the night man at the desk is definitely a wink and nod kind of fellow - he arranged a massage for me last night that easily turned into boom boom - girl was pleasant enough (no stunner, for sure - maybe a 7) but asking price "anything I want to pay" - and indeed, what I gave her was not even looked at before she left the room. Massage itself was about twice the spa rate - $15 for an hour, but I didn't care. The whole thing - about half hour massage and half hour boom boom (can't help but smile when I hear that expression) cost me $40. Yeah, I could have given her less, but my choice.
And I also found out that the hotel will alloow you to bring a guest - if you register them separately if they are Vietnamese and you are not. This was after 10 pm, so maybe it is like the deal Sudsoz reported about the Riverside Hotel. At the Spring, the hotel will do that at a discounted rate of $23 (which I think makes them GF, doesn't it - why give a discount?) - so it would be comparable to going to a minihotel I suppose, except you could use your own room. I would add that this is not really a mongering hotel in feeling - a lot of NGO types use it.
Stew,
Thanks for the info, I may have to try the spring on my return to HCMC at the end of my trip, I'm staying at the Ngoc Ha, has anyone heard of it? Pleasant hunting Stew.
[QUOTE=Dragonfly22]Stew,
Thanks for the info, I may have to try the spring on my return to HCMC at the end of my trip, I'm staying at the Ngoc Ha, has anyone heard of it? Pleasant hunting Stew.[/QUOTE]
A quick search says it is over near Ben Thanh market. Long walk to centre of District 1.
The GF hotels in Mac Thi Buoi do not charge any more for the visitor. They keep her ID as security and if she leaves without you they call to see if all is OK.
[QUOTE=Sudsoz]A quick search says it is over near Ben Thanh market. Long walk to centre of District 1.
The GF hotels in Mac Thi Buoi do not charge any more for the visitor. They keep her ID as security and if she leaves without you they call to see if all is OK.[/QUOTE]
Well actually, it is closer to the Park Hyatt than the market - just half a block to Hai Ba, and only 2 blocks to the Park Hyatt/Caravell area. Took me no more than about 5-6 minutes to walk to the bars on Hai Ba. From my perusal of the hotel fronts on Mac Thi Buoi, my guess is that it is a much nicer hotel than you might find there... but I haven't been inside them, so cannot say for sure.
[QUOTE=Stew2]Well actually, it is closer to the Park Hyatt than the market - just half a block to Hai Ba, and only 2 blocks to the Park Hyatt/Caravell area. Took me no more than about 5-6 minutes to walk to the bars on Hai Ba. From my perusal of the hotel fronts on Mac Thi Buoi, my guess is that it is a much nicer hotel than you might find there... but I haven't been inside them, so cannot say for sure.[/QUOTE]
Well $10 per night can get you a lot more hotel in HCM. But how does the Spring react to the ladies? Would love to have a more comfortable hotel that is GF.
Hmmm. Seeing more reports about those same few Hai Ba Trung bars. Zzzzz.
The staff of those places hasn't changed much in about the last 2-3 yrs. No cute new girls ever seem to show up in those anymore. Any that do arrive leave fast.
Walk down Le Thanh Ton around 11:30 or 12:00 (east of Thai Van Lung) when all those Japanese bars shut (must be more than double the number of those than of the HBT ones) and see what comes walking out on their way home. They're younger and prettier. They're actually hot. Not kinda sorta hot. There's one side street at the start of LTT called Ngo Van Tam or something like this, which has about 10 of them in there. All the new girls must be getting jobs at all these places, which have sprung up all over in the last yr or 2. Meanwhile HBT bars are just a bit more than half the number they were before.
Mentioning this again because reports are needed on these places. There are about 500 reports about 49 and 51 etc. I think not a single report on any Japanese bar. Btw, at the vast majority of these, Westerners are welcome.
[QUOTE=Wendella]
Mentioning this again because reports are needed on these places. There are about 500 reports about 49 and 51 etc. I think not a single report on any Japanese bar. Btw, at the vast majority of these, Westerners are welcome.[/QUOTE]
My local friends tell me these Japanese bars are very expensive and they do not believe takeaway is available.
Last night I was in this area. Walked past the Spring Hotel to get to Camargue Restaurant - Stew we never did find out if the Spring is GF.
Anyway there is a fairly discrete 'billiards' bar a couple of doors down from Camargue that actually has some nice fresh talent without the attitude you get in HBT bars.
One of the things about the HBT bargirls is that it does not pay to keep them too long because the makeup is hideous in good light.
Anyway a few nights ago I picked up one that was a bit less aggressive in HBT. I was with friends and we went back to Club Latino to watch the football. As the taxi circled and went past the Kim Long and Thang Long GF hotels in MTB she ducked down in her seat to hide.
Later when I told her again we were going to Kim Long she threw a tizzy fit about going to a short time hotel.
In the end I left her in the street.
Anyone see any logic in this?
[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Yes - But I just don't like the shorts and gown thing.[/QUOTE]
Decided to try the massage thing again. Massage 1hr for VND100,000. This time when the guy pointed me to a locker I just said 'massage only' and waved a hand and said 'where is massage'. Got lead directly to the massage room without the shorts and gown thing.
Gear off and hung on hook. Girl comes in and hangs towel over my gear so no-one can see.
Very good strong massage by nice girl - a bit plump around face but nice bod. HJ for VND250,000 but all very secretive under towel. Girl very willing to give telephone number and come to hotel for 'boom-boom'.
Some of the other girls seemed more attractive so now that I have a method that works I will go back again.
[QUOTE=Sudsoz]One of the things about the HBT bargirls is that it does not pay to keep them too long because the makeup is hideous in good light.
Anyway a few nights ago I picked up one that was a bit less aggressive in HBT. I was with friends and we went back to Club Latino to watch the football. As the taxi circled and went past the Kim Long and Thang Long GF hotels in MTB she ducked down in her seat to hide.
Later when I told her again we were going to Kim Long she threw a tizzy fit about going to a short time hotel.
In the end I left her in the street.
Anyone see any logic in this?[/QUOTE]
I have a guess - since I went to the Kim Long with a guy who set me up with a girl there - he clearly works the neighborhood and calls girls to introduce you there. Perhaps she is one of the girls he calls and she was worried that he might be there and see her working without him getting a comission? Or something like that. By the way - I admit I made a classic mistake in going that route - the middle man did bring the girl to me before I paid any money and I could have turned her down. And we agreed on a price (that she later tried to up, but I refused). But once we were up in the room, the attitude sucked and I eventually terminated as it was getting to be a turn off. Live and learn.
[QUOTE=Sudsoz]My local friends tell me these Japanese bars are very expensive and they do not believe takeaway is available.
Last night I was in this area. Walked past the Spring Hotel to get to Camargue Restaurant - Stew we never did find out if the Spring is GF.
Anyway there is a fairly discrete 'billiards' bar a couple of doors down from Camargue that actually has some nice fresh talent without the attitude you get in HBT bars.[/QUOTE]
Actually I told you what I knew about it in report 972. Can't get any more for you, as I am in Phnom Penh on my way to BKK. Good luck HCMC posters - enjoyed my stay there and appreciated your helpful input.
That bar down from Carmargue is called Smiley's Bar, a regular with expats, but has been a bit hit and miss over the last three years. Good BJ upstairs in one of the pool bars, but like all of hmc it has has got more expensive. Some good girls though.
Back in Saigon once again. Got hold of me old mate (VK) and he hooked me up with the little sweet fucking machine (Kim) and her yummy friend Nhi for couple hours of fun. If in SG, give her mobile ([blue][Email address deleted by Admin][/blue]) a jingle:
Vnesse girls are so exotic and alluring, one of the best mongering places in Asia – if you know where to look.
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Prices for Kim and friend?
LT and ST please.
Thanks
Thanks AlphaQ for the contact. Got in touch with Kim and finally arranged a hook-up yesterday. Seems she has her own stable of gals, or at least is fronting for someone.
Service was sort of rushed and so-so. She seemed to be distracted and in the end called over 2 other girls to "substitute. She had a bad case of acne which always turns me off, but each to his own. Overall, would give the experience a C-. There are definitely better options out there, but if you are not a local then guess this might float your boat. Price was 500k for ST and she asked 1,000k for her "friend" who was willing to do overnite.
Hoookey.
After living 8 months in HCMC, what have I learned
The best pussy hunting ground is not in HCMC. In HCMC the girls are trained to drain you dry of money in the shortest possible space of time.
One tip, when buying the pussy a drink, DO NOT BUY THEM A DRINK OF THEIR CHOOSING.
BUY TWO beers and give them one. Or buy two of the drinks of your choosing and give them one. Taste the mixed drink before giving it away, Beer is better, takes them longer to suck it down. :)
This way they get real alcohol and you do not get charged for a expensive girly drink. Sugar water. Hehe, the girls reaction will be priceless.
I prefer quiet bars where the girls do not maul you to death the moment you walk in the door or harass you to death for girly drinks. HCMC, have not seen bars like this yet. NOT ONE.
GO TO VUNG TAU.
Vung Tau is a small island about 35 miles from HCMC. Oilfield supply base.
You take a hydrofoil ferry, 1 1/2" hrs ferry leave at 6am and last is 6pm. Taxi drivers will know how to get there, just tell him Vung Tau Ferry. (120K VND each way, 240K VND round trip)
When you get of the ferry, get a taxi, go to the Grant hotel
There is a road to the right of the grant hotel with a lighted arch in front of it, walk down this main street, on the left side is many many bars. +15, (8+ girls per bar)
The alcohol is cheap (20K for a beer) and the women are $500K for the night. Many bars, the women are not pushy, go in and out of each bar and choose what you want. THESE ARE NOT LIKE THE HCMC GIRLY BARS. These bars leave you alone to choose whom you want. Real alcohol girly drinks too.
I like the RED DRAGON the best, ask anyone for directions. (end of the street on the left). The bar owner is very friendly and the girls are fun. The bar stay open till 4-5am in the morning. (unlike HCMC where there is a 12pm curfew)
Many hotels here, ask the ladies fora 25-30 dollar hotel. In front of the same above street that is the Palace hotel. Very nice $35.
You can go at 6pm in the evening (ferry) from HCMC, spend the night there and head back to HCMC at 6am in the morning and be in HCMC by 7: 30 in the morning.
This turns out to be a much better deal than HCMC. The women selection is better and more accomodating. Lots of fun here.
[b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread.[/blue]
[QUOTE=Ippehsoj]Prices for Kim and friend?
LT and ST please.
Thanks[/QUOTE]ST and 2 pops
[QUOTE=Dick Tracy]Thanks AlphaQ for the contact. Got in touch with Kim and finally arranged a hook-up yesterday. Seems she has her own stable of gals, or at least is fronting for someone.
Service was sort of rushed and so-so. She seemed to be distracted and in the end called over 2 other girls to "substitute. She had a bad case of acne which always turns me off, but each to his own. Overall, would give the experience a C-. There are definitely better options out there, but if you are not a local then guess this might float your boat. Price was 500k for ST and she asked 1,000k for her "friend" who was willing to do overnite.[/QUOTE]Are we talking of the same girl? "Kim" as she referrece herself was No pizza face. Could be the case i had a substitute, still no objection. Overall experience B.
[QUOTE=Wanderer2005]Hoookey.
After living 8 months in HCMC, what have I learned
The best pussy hunting ground is not in HCMC. In HCMC the girls are trained to drain you dry of money in the shortest possible space of time.
One tip, when buying the pussy a drink, DO NOT BUY THEM A DRINK OF THEIR CHOOSING.
BUY TWO beers and give them one. Or buy two of the drinks of your choosing and give them one. Taste the mixed drink before giving it away, Beer is better, takes them longer to suck it down. :)
This way they get real alcohol and you do not get charged for a expensive girly drink. Sugar water. Hehe, the girls reaction will be priceless.
I prefer quiet bars where the girls do not maul you to death the moment you walk in the door or harass you to death for girly drinks. HCMC, have not seen bars like this yet. NOT ONE.
GO TO VUNG TAU.
Vung Tau is a small island about 35 miles from HCMC. Oilfield supply base.
You take a hydrofoil ferry, 1 1/2" hrs ferry leave at 6am and last is 6pm. Taxi drivers will know how to get there, just tell him Vung Tau Ferry. (120K VND each way, 240K VND round trip)
When you get of the ferry, get a taxi, go to the Grant hotel
There is a road to the right of the grant hotel with a lighted arch in front of it, walk down this main street, on the left side is many many bars. +15, (8+ girls per bar)
The alcohol is cheap (20K for a beer) and the women are $500K for the night. Many bars, the women are not pushy, go in and out of each bar and choose what you want. THESE ARE NOT LIKE THE HCMC GIRLY BARS. These bars leave you alone to choose whom you want. Real alcohol girly drinks too.
I like the RED DRAGON the best, ask anyone for directions. (end of the street on the left). The bar owner is very friendly and the girls are fun. The bar stay open till 4-5am in the morning. (unlike HCMC where there is a 12pm curfew)
Many hotels here, ask the ladies fora 25-30 dollar hotel. In front of the same above street that is the Palace hotel. Very nice $35.
You can go at 6pm in the evening (ferry) from HCMC, spend the night there and head back to HCMC at 6am in the morning and be in HCMC by 7: 30 in the morning.
This turns out to be a much better deal than HCMC. The women selection is better and more accomodating. Lots of fun here.
[b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread.[/blue][/QUOTE]Hi Wonderer,
Great report! It sounds like and interesting place to check out.
Is it ok for westerners? and can the people there speak english i.e like in HCMC?
Two question to the experts:
1) Any Bia Ohms in HCMC other then the HTB surrounding areas? Any Cafe/Bia Ohms in Cho Lon, for example?
2) Any intel. on Metal disco club, dist. 3?
Jayman,
Vungtau is a mainly a very large supply base for the oilfield. It also a resort town for the locals.
It is full for foreigners coming in Vietnam to work on the oil rigs offshore.
The women consequently speak very good english. Well, most of them.
You can tell when the women are new to Vun tau, their english is still not at good fluencey.
Wanderer
Thanks for the info - I only regret not having had it a few weeks ago when I was visiting HCMC!
[QUOTE=Wanderer2005]Jayman,
Vungtau is a mainly a very large supply base for the oilfield. It also a resort town for the locals.
It is full for foreigners coming in Vietnam to work on the oil rigs offshore.
The women consequently speak very good english. Well, most of them.
You can tell when the women are new to Vun tau, their english is still not at good fluencey.
Wanderer[/QUOTE]
I think the report by Wanderer reflects the differences in attitude and expectations of someone who lives in a place compared to someone who visits from time to time.
I imagine that once you have been around HCMC for a while you will have seen most of the women and the ones that get your interest will have started to become quite possesive. It only takes a day or so for them to start with the 'where are you' SMS messages so I can imagine what it is like after a month or so. I don't exchange phone numbers any more.
On the other hand visitors to HCMC may not feel familiar enough with the language and culture to venture out to somewhere like Vungtau or other locations up country a bit.
Anyway the later reports would seem to indicate that Vungtau is a bit of a foreign workers base and my experience of them is that they can be haven's for disease.
I have been living here in Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon) for about 3-1/2 months now. I am married but my wife (she’s Vietnamese) lets me have some nights off, so to speak. God, there are so many beautiful women in this city, and many just seem to love western guys. I always get told I have a lovely mouth and nose, whatever that means.
Before moving to Saigon, we lived in the Mekong Delta province of Tien Giang. So, having tasted the café oms in the rural countryside, there is quite a price shock when sampling the city girls.
I often went bicycle riding and stopped by the special cafes on the highway between My Tho and Go Cong Tay. It is kind of easy to recognize which roadside café’s offer special services. If you see a string of colored or Japanese-type lanterns strung out front or if when looking into the café from the road, you notice that you can’t really see what’s going on inside, there’s a very high probability that this is a café where blow jobs are a specialty.
I tried several there. The first time, a beautiful young lithesome gal made my coffee and sat down next to me. She was speaking to me in Vietnamese, which I don’t know well enough yet, and I couldn’t understand what she was asking. When her hand slipped down to my crotch and grabbed a handful of my cock, I understood freely. I asked her, bao nhieu or how much? Would you believe 50, 000 dong or about three USD and change? She took me back to a dingy little room and laid me out on the bed, took my clothes off and sponged me down with a wet cloth. She lifted her top up to show her titties and pulled her pants down to display a cute little bush and began a wonderful BBBJ. I never knew a woman could suck so powerfully. This girl was not only lovely with prefect boobs but I finally understood the expression about sucking the chrome off a fender. I finished in her mouth and tipped her 20, 000 dong. Would love to see her again.
The next time was not as good. The girl was not very pretty and inferior technique but it worked. She only wanted 40, 000 and I ended up giving her 50.
The third time was done by a pro with a nice body and she had also mastered her techniques. She let me finger her pussy and she get very wet and hot and I finger-fucked her vigorously while finishing in her mouth too. The women there are all very careful not to take their clothes all the way off and the conditions are always third world, but I have to say that each time was satisfying and enjoyable. I think they are very paranoid about police busts and if they get caught. Ouch! Don’t expect more than a blow job or hand job in these places. I still think of the first girl once in a while. Her name was Ha and she was a very lovely woman.
In Saigon, I have tried different ladies. I have hired bia om girls to come to my house and one in particular is a favorite. She is 26 and has a great little butt. She works in a bar on Pham Ngu Lao. Contact me if you want her cell phone number. We have a deal where she’ll come over early afternoon if I call her and let me fuck her silly before she starts her job. Still won't let me explore the back door though.
Last week, I connected with a really gorgeous 20 year old with very brown skin and again, perfect boobs. She was not very experienced and I did go down on her. Her pussy was so sweet and I made her cum very hard. She rewarded me with a multi-position fuck and I just loved her body. About 5’5" with long, tinted hair and a very pretty face. A little expensive though at 500,000 dong.
I have also met two ladies here for GF type sex. The first one, I have to admit I fell for her. She was the best fuck of my 55 years of living. I have read about hot women and I finally scored one. She wanted me to do everything and my friends, I tried. We kept it going for a long time and it is still burning a hole in my brain to think about that night.
Another young lady, a little chubby gave me a good one-night stand. Also, extremely hot and game for almost everything. After a long fuck, she swallowed my juice, which I just love doing, jacking a load into a girl’s mouth.
I’ve also tried the massage parlors here and been picked up by girls on motorbikes. You know what? I haven’t had a bad experience yet. I love Vietnamese women! Contact me for more specific details and I’ll try to help. By the way, an earlier post about going into a bia om bar and buying two beers. One for you and one for her? Great idea. Thanks for whoever suggested that one. Otherwise, one swallow of that half-shot of Bailey’s and they’re hitting you up for another drink again.
[b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread.[/blue]
Given that internet servers inside Vietnam are monitored by the government, at least sporadically, have any members had issues accessing ISG in the country? Advice from members living in Vietnam would be particularly welcome.
No problems over the lat three years over ISG access over the last 3 years and we get access to most of the sites tht are actually blocked in Thailand. I know they block some viet language sex sites from UK and I think the notorious naughty Nigel site.
Just wondering how come a member with two posts has been accessing ISG from VN for three years.
My experience is that some obvious porn sites are blocked but wsgforum is OK.
[QUOTE=Shearer68]No problems over the lat three years over ISG access over the last 3 years and we get access to most of the sites tht are actually blocked in Thailand. I know they block some viet language sex sites from UK and I think the notorious naughty Nigel site.[/QUOTE]
I guess that is a fair question sudsoz. I was a regular monger in Thailand and for about a year here, but have been married to a cute viet girl for a while who has been brilliant, so not much need to do much in Vietnam. I still pop around to Bangkok and Phnom Penh now and then and am well aware of the mongering seen in HCM[ Rarely partaking these days]. And I guess I have popped onto board a fair bit when visiting Thailand and Cambodia to get some very useful updates. I have not contributed much and I guess have lurked a bit to gain info[ however I am sure there are hundreds doing the same] and have appreciated members comments aswell as finding them entertaining. I guess I am opening myself up to criticsm and could just not have replied to your query. I have just answered relevant questions in my measley 2 posts but hope they were useful and will probably contribute alot more in the future now I have laptop and my own independent computer. So look out for some reports from Thailand, Cambodia and Vung Tau in the future, not HCM. It's a bit close to home (unless I can answer a query that is).
[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Just wondering how come a member with two posts has been accessing ISG from VN for three years.
My experience is that some obvious porn sites are blocked but wsgforum is OK.[/QUOTE]
If you look at his profile you will see he joined on 04-02-04. As he said he has been lurking, so I would belive what he has said.
[QUOTE=MrJayBee]I have been living here in Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon) for about 3-1/2 months now. I am married but my wife (she’s Vietnamese) lets me have some nights off, so to speak. God, there are so many beautiful women in this city, and many just seem to love western guys. I always get told I have a lovely mouth and nose, whatever that means.
MrJaybee,
You are such a lucky dog to be living there. I miss the slim, beautiful babes. Miss watching them riding their motorbikes. That is so cool. There are so many places for different types of activities with such low prices. Last December, I was taken to a BJ bar 15-20 minutes outside of the city centre. It was like the MacDonald's of BJ's. You go in the room with massage tables all lined up with curtains dividing them. My friend's girl screamed and laugh because he took off his pants in 2 seconds. A young pretty girl cleans your P with a towel (used many times?), suction happens and before you know it, another happy ending. We made so much noise that my friend thought we were having intercourse. She wanted to do it again, but we had to go. Time was less than 15 minutes, cost was $200,000 dongs. Sorry, do not remember the address, all the signs look the same to me.
Just a quick report here.
I was in VT 2 years ago. My friend is a local and he took me to many KTV places. The girls played hard to get even they knew I had money. My friend was trying to get an 18 y/o for me but the girl refused to come to my hotel, saying it was not her style even she opened my pants to see my dick and let me squeeze her boobs hard.
So I ended up going to a massage place where I got BJ and HJ for more than an hour. She could not make me come. I asked her to go to my hotel nearby but she said she couldn't. In the 2 days I stayed there I tried about 3 massage places and could not get any girl to come with me. I was, however, able to convince a girl to mount me inside the room with her clothes on and her panty pushed aside. It was a very awkward experience. I made her bleed after a long fucking time and I could not come either.
VT was not a good place for mongering then but it may change now.
Two years ago in VT, the action was good. I think your friend just took you to the wrong places. Sometimes those cyclo guys or motobikes guys would know more than some of the locals.
The locals don't have money to go mongering like we do. So they take you to places they heard about.
[QUOTE=Silly Puppy]Just a quick report here.
I was in VT 2 years ago. My friend is a local and he took me to many KTV places. The girls played hard to get even they knew I had money. My friend was trying to get an 18 y/o for me but the girl refused to come to my hotel, saying it was not her style even she opened my pants to see my dick and let me squeeze her boobs hard.
So I ended up going to a massage place where I got BJ and HJ for more than an hour. She could not make me come. I asked her to go to my hotel nearby but she said she couldn't. In the 2 days I stayed there I tried about 3 massage places and could not get any girl to come with me. I was, however, able to convince a girl to mount me inside the room with her clothes on and her panty pushed aside. It was a very awkward experience. I made her bleed after a long fucking time and I could not come either.
VT was not a good place for mongering then but it may change now.[/QUOTE]
Shearer - are you based in Saigon. If so we might catch up next time i am in town.
[QUOTE=Shearer68]I guess that is a fair question sudsoz. I was a regular monger in Thailand and for about a year here, but have been married to a cute viet girl for a while who has been brilliant, so not much need to do much in Vietnam. I still pop around to Bangkok and Phnom Penh now and then and am well aware of the mongering seen in HCM[ Rarely partaking these days]. And I guess I have popped onto board a fair bit when visiting Thailand and Cambodia to get some very useful updates. I have not contributed much and I guess have lurked a bit to gain info[ however I am sure there are hundreds doing the same] and have appreciated members comments aswell as finding them entertaining. I guess I am opening myself up to criticsm and could just not have replied to your query. I have just answered relevant questions in my measley 2 posts but hope they were useful and will probably contribute alot more in the future now I have laptop and my own independent computer. So look out for some reports from Thailand, Cambodia and Vung Tau in the future, not HCM. It's a bit close to home (unless I can answer a query that is).[/QUOTE]
Shearer - I just noticed that it was you who responded to my post about the bar near Camargue. What struck me about this bar is that there is less pressure - you can sit down and take a look around to choose or not choose. Being local can you tell us about any other similar bars a bit off the main drags.
[QUOTE=Shearer68]That bar down from Carmargue is called Smiley's Bar, a regular with expats, but has been a bit hit and miss over the last three years. Good BJ upstairs in one of the pool bars, but like all of hmc it has has got more expensive. Some good girls though.[/QUOTE]
Hi everyone,
I will be in ho chi minh the 29 of jully for 14 days and i was wondering if anybody want to have a meeting for chat or better.
I am open to all kind of suggestions just PM me.
P.S. I am a newbie for vietnam but I RTFF with a lot of interst and i also speak french(don t know if it's help a lot).
See you maybe there.
Reading on the web you hear good things about lots of girls for hire in Vung Tau, but the savy VK mongers I met raved about Mui Ne and not ONLY because the beaches are so much nicer than Vung Tau/Ba Ria area beaches. And the action is NOT out on the beach with the kite surfers but in the town of the same name.I did meet this Russian BABE kitesurfing instructor at a cafe at Pham Ng Lao who was on her way up there for the winter (see picture)
Watch out for this beautiful girl who rides on a motorbike trying to pick up customers. She is very pretty and most of us will not say no. Be warned! She is a thief! Anyway, what happens is she will take you to a mini hotel which looked legit. She will ask you to pay first (300, 000). She turns on the stereo loud and asks you to put your pants on the corner of the bed. I did not know it at first but someone tried to steal money from my pants as she was giving BJ. I did not notice at first bc the music was so loud. Something did not feel right so as I stood up, I saw my pants move. I immediately grab my pants and lucky, nothing was taken. How did someone get under the bed? I looked everywhere and could not understand how someone could even come close without me knowing! Would you believe that there was a small door under the bed along the wall? Someone from the next room crawled under the bed through this door. It was all planned and the hotel workers were all in on this.
I remembered the motorbike was a black attila with plate numbers 51-T2 on the top row. Could not remember the bottom row numbers.